[Speaker 1] (0:00 - 0:11)
So while you're doing that, maybe I'll get started and then we'll just make sure Sean comes on. Are you all right doing that, Diane?

[Speaker 13] (0:12 - 0:32)
Yeah, I'm trying to do one right now, promote to panelist, and it's telling me it failed to change the rule and it's giving me an error code. That's all I do, right? I click more and then promote to panelist?

[Speaker 1] (0:35 - 0:36)
Yeah, it won't let you do it.

[Speaker 13] (0:36 - 0:49)
It's not letting me do it, no, it's telling me I am getting an error code. Ethan, do you know? Could you read me the error?

Yep. Read me the error code real quick. Yep, error code 3041.

[Speaker 17] (0:51 - 0:58)
I think it's because Sean was added as a co-host and then tried to join through the generic link.

[Speaker 1] (1:02 - 1:26)
Does he have the other link? Sean, if you can... Okay, he's gone.

I just want to make sure... Patrick's in there too, if you want to promote Patrick, just to make sure you can do it and then we'll get started. You see Patrick in there?

[Speaker 13] (1:26 - 1:33)
Yeah, I just tried doing it. I got the same error code, I think. Patrick, are you there?

Oh, he's there. He's here.

[Speaker 1] (1:35 - 2:54)
Okay. All right. So why don't we...

If you can keep working on that, let me know if Amy or Diane, just let me know if Sean can't get on, but we'll get started. Welcome to the May 11th slide board meeting. Sorry for the technical Zoom issues.

We will start the meeting as we always do with public comments. Public comment is a chance for residents to provide public comment. If you have comments on town staff, then we ask you to just communicate with the town administrator offline for any comments relating to town staff.

If there is public comment, I think if it is okay with the other select board members, if there's public comment having to do with the elementary school, I think maybe we'll save it for when we have that discussion. But otherwise, I do see one hand raised, Steve Rosenberg, but I think you may be wanting to comment on the school, which we'll be discussing in a few minutes. So if you want to lower your hand, if that's the case, if not, we can promote you.

[Speaker 2] (2:56 - 3:07)
Hey, Neil, before you go much further, just to keep in mind, we voted to close the public hearing on the earth removal. So we can certainly hear from people, but at this point, we're trying to deliberate and finish.

[Speaker 1] (3:07 - 3:39)
Yeah, no, I agree. I just, you know, if people want to comment on it, I just think we can do it at that time. All right, Cindy, it looks like Cindy Cavallaro has her hand up if you could promote her.

And also, if people have public comment, and they want to email me at nduffy.swampscottma.gov, you can do it that way as well. And I will try to keep an eye on my email.

[Speaker 14] (3:40 - 3:41)
Hi, Neil. Can you hear me?

[Speaker 1] (3:41 - 3:42)
I can. Yep. Hi, Cindy.

[Speaker 14] (3:43 - 4:06)
Hi, everybody. Just wondering if anyone happened to attend the ZBA last night and having the board support as well as the town administrator as well as the planning board, your opinions or your feelings about the end of the meeting and the results for Elm Place?

[Speaker 1] (4:10 - 4:12)
Any of the board members care to comment?

[Speaker 2] (4:15 - 4:39)
Yeah, so I think it was Monday night was the zoning board. I didn't attend. I think the town administrator submitted a letter at the position.

And so I don't know that this select board really should be on the record. It's still an open matter before the zoning board. I think the select board, the prior select board made very clear their feelings about the Elm Place project.

[Speaker 1] (4:44 - 4:47)
All right, thanks, Cindy. Do you want to say anything else about the project?

[Speaker 14] (4:48 - 4:54)
No, just disappointed at the outcome. That's all. Okay.

Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (4:55 - 5:18)
Thanks for joining. All right, let me just make sure I don't get nothing in my email. So with that, I don't see any other hands raised.

So I think we will move on to the town administrator's report. If Sean is here, which I think he is.

[Speaker 17] (5:24 - 5:24)
Sean, you're muted.

[Speaker 16] (5:29 - 5:31)
Sorry, one second.

[Speaker 3] (5:36 - 10:43)
So tonight, the board will review some of the changes with the earth removal permit. I did meet several times with members of the earth removal committee last week and this week, and we've added some additional language that strengthens what I think really reflects the owner's responsibilities. We are the town and we certainly want to make sure the neighborhood has access to effective representation.

We certainly have made some changes with our hiring process for our police and fire departments, but I'm particularly pleased with the work that we've done in the fire department. When we started in October of 2021, our fire department below the rank of chief was 100% male and 100% white. And frankly, as we look at the department today, after six months, considering all of our new hires have successfully completed their screening and their probationary periods, we'll have a department that is 90.6% white, 9.4% black, and 6.2% female. Now these are just numbers, but what's more important to me is we've really hired some absolutely excellent and extraordinary individuals and we're really creating a more inclusive and extraordinary public safety function. I really am pleased with all of the individuals that have played a role in helping us create opportunities for a broader segment of our society to step forward in public safety in these complicated positions. I want to thank Chief Archer and Chief Quesada and all the men and women that work for our police and fire departments for helping to lead this type of change.

I did receive an update from our library board that they have completed their efforts to finalize recommendations or semi-finalists for the town administrator to review. I expect that I'll be interviewing several candidates over the next week and have a recommendation to the select board sometime within the next week. I'll ask the library board to join me as we present a recommendation to the select board for this incredibly important position.

Over the last week I've met with our recreation director several times to discuss really updating our recreation calendar. We have so many programs and so many initiatives that we've started to add to the recreation calendar and I'm really excited about these events. We're going to be getting some flyers out so you can check the website and our newsletter but there's a whole array of programs for June, July, August, and September that are no cost and low cost activities for families and our youth to really enjoy getting back to building community.

Last week I did have a discussion with Chief Quesada about implementing body cameras. I have reviewed a quote that we've worked on over the last six months. Chief Kurz and Lieutenant Lord have worked extensively on refining the quote and really selecting body cameras that the city of Lynn uses and other Massachusetts municipalities use that really will go a long way in helping Swampskate implement a program that not only will help build transparency with our public safety function but help protect our officers and provide a real important tool.

Our all ages director is here tonight to talk about a lot of great things that we're doing with our senior center. We're actively planning events and outings and more and more programs are really kicking off so if you're eager to get involved I would encourage you to head down to the senior center and really check out some of the great activities that are evolving. We have an absolutely fantastic team and it's exciting to see all the initiatives in particular.

I'm pleased that our director really sees the importance of going cleaner and greener and she's really on board with getting an electric van so she'll be looking at grant applications and working with a number of committees to help ensure that we're a little cleaner and greener. That's my report.

[Speaker 1] (10:46 - 11:24)
Thanks Sean. Any questions from board members on any of that? Okay great.

I just want to mention for anyone watching the meeting that we do have an agenda item discussion and possible vote on a comments letter to mass housing on the eligibility of the Atlantic Bay view residences project and that letter is not ready so we won't be having that discussion tonight. Likely will be happening next Monday at our meeting before town meeting so just in case anyone is watching to hear that conversation it's not happening tonight.

[Speaker 7] (11:25 - 11:54)
However Neil we can still encourage residents who want to be heard and have their thoughts and comments heard to address a letter to Michael Busby at mass housing and please email that letter to Margie Golaska with the town of Swampscott community development. Her email is mgolaska g-a-l-a-z-k-a at swampscottma.gov. Sorry to interrupt.

[Speaker 1] (11:55 - 12:25)
No no no problem at all. Thanks David. All right so first item on the agenda is Director of the Health Department Jeff Vaughn is here to ask us to approve an opt-out of a mosquito spraying law and so I don't know if Jeff is in attendance.

Shawn or if you're taking this if Jeff's here if he can be promoted Diane.

[Speaker 16] (12:26 - 12:44)
I just promoted him. There he is. Hi Jeff.

Jeff you're in mute.

[Speaker 1] (12:54 - 12:57)
Jeff you're muted we can't hear you if you're talking.

[Speaker 3] (12:58 - 13:40)
Yeah I can just lead into this. I think Board of Health has really been focused on on some of the concerns around ground spraying and pesticides and Jeff is really here to seek a vote from the board regarding some of the new regulations that allow the Mosquito Control Board to do some spraying of mosquito pesticides in Swampscott. So there you are Jeff.

Let's talk about some of the concerns regarding mosquitoes and public health.

[Speaker 6] (13:40 - 18:04)
Thank you Shawn. Appreciate it. Good morning.

Good evening. I'm Jeff Vaughn your public health director. Thank you for your time.

I'm coming before this board looking for a certified vote to opt out of Mass General Law chapter 252 section 2a which was enacted in 2020. It is called an act to mitigate albivirus in the commonwealth. But first I would like to mention a couple definitions and some facts.

Eastern equine encephalitis also known as EEE is a rare but serious disease caused by a virus. The virus that causes EEE is spread through the bite of an infected mosquito who get that from infected birds. During routine weekly mosquito surveillance in town during the summer no mosquito has ever been found to carry EEE.

Swampscott does not have a breeding environment preferable to the current mosquito species that carry EEE. Outbreaks of EEE usually occur in Massachusetts every 10 to 20 years typically last two to three years. Our most recent outbreak began in 2019.

The majority of EEE cases that have been found in the state have been from the counties of Bristol Plymouth and Norfolk. I would like now to distinguish a between mosquito mosquito control boards. Swampscott as part of the northeast mosquito control district which is basically the North Shore Cape Ann and all the communities going up 95 toward New Hampshire.

As per our border health plan with the district they use traps to collect mosquitoes. They then test the mosquitoes for the virus and the district also provides lava sightings for our storm brains during the summer with a safe product that targets mosquito larvae. They also give us education and information stuff to send out if we if we do find mosquitoes that have this issue that we can go out and educate everybody else at that time.

I also do a pre-season type of reverse call that also will cover that stuff. There is also the state reclamation in mosquito control board which is where our mosquito control district falls under as well as all the other mosquito control districts in the state. So just so there's a little idea of what's what.

So getting back to MGL chapter 252 section 2a a law which well we know what the law is for but basically a law which says that if the state pp department of public health declares a public health hazard with regard to triple e without us have without us having an opt-out plan approved by the executive office of environmental affairs or eea then we would have no say whether or not spraying of any type although it is usually aerosol spraying and in an adulticide would occur in town nor the type of pesticide used in individual residents also cannot be able to opt out. So in conclusion I'm here to fulfill the requirements of the eea in order to opt out of this this new law. So basically I would need to do a couple of things and that's why I'm here.

The review of the historical albivirus risk level classification. I've done this. There have been no mosquitoes in town.

There have been no known human cases or animal cases in in Smallstown. That also goes for Mobblehead too which is also going to be trying to opt out. Provide eea with a plan that includes three educational outreach activities.

That's something that I can do easily that's not a problem. I need a copy of a certified vote by the local select board which includes confirmation that the board boh was consulted on 5-4. Board of health had a meeting an agenda item was regarding this and we did speak about this and that the board of health felt it was important to have local control without within our regional district.

Also need to have public comment which which obviously we we do allow here and indication that the municipality is opting out of all spraying from the state mosquito control board through this through this law and with understanding that the vote to opt out will only be honored if all application components are submitted to the eea on time and the application is approved and on time means by May 27th. That's why it's a kind of a quick turnaround.

So that's where I am. I'll entertain any questions.

[Speaker 7] (18:09 - 18:24)
Any questions from the board? Jeff you had Jeff you had mentioned that the board of health had you know had had held a meeting and had this as an agenda item. Did they take a was there a vote taken at that May 4th meeting?

[Speaker 6] (18:24 - 19:11)
No it doesn't it didn't require a vote for this. It was just consultation and hearing back their reply and that was their reply was they all well two two out of the three members the one wasn't there. They both agreed that this was something that the board of health just for a prep for just so we know that every year we have a plan that goes through.

It's usually back in February March with the mosquito control board. It hasn't changed in years. It's been the same same thing.

Each board as they go through they'll look at it every year or they'll just have me look at it and I'll tell them any changes if there are any changes. So that's that's kind of the process of it. So they're they're they're in full agreement for the four well two out of the three that were there are in full agreement and wanted to move forward with us and keep the local option.

[Speaker 7] (19:12 - 19:16)
Got it yeah I'm I'm comfortable with with maintaining local control as well so thank you.

[Speaker 1] (19:20 - 19:26)
Any other questions? Jeff is this something we have to do every year?

[Speaker 6] (19:27 - 19:49)
Yes okay yeah so it's if conditions change over the next year so we can always go back and revisit and but like I said the board of health always has that standing protocol that if we do ever hear of anything in town that they immediately will will convene and go through and my guess is like we did with with with COVID we would also do that in conjunction with your board as well.

[Speaker 3] (19:50 - 20:28)
It's probably always helpful to remind folks if you're talking about mosquitoes any kind of standing water you know does create a habitat for them and certainly you know mosquitoes can you know carry diseases but generally there's not thing we should not panic too much about Tripoli. It is rare and certainly in the event that we did hear news about Tripoli within Swampskate or in Essex County we would certainly get the word out to residents and make sure that we all take extra precautions.

[Speaker 1] (20:29 - 20:36)
Okay Jeff you keep saying you're requesting a certified vote I mean you just want us to vote on it right? That's a certified vote?

[Speaker 6] (20:36 - 20:39)
Correct just so I can get it back in time so we can cover up.

[Speaker 1] (20:39 - 20:59)
Got it you don't need signatures or anything. Okay I'd entertain a motion to opt out of Mass General Law Chapter 252 aerial spraying crown spraying by the State Reclamation Mosquito Control Board. So moved.

I have a second. Do you second that Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 4] (21:00 - 21:00)
Sure yes.

[Speaker 1] (21:01 - 21:04)
Okay Peter Spalios. Oh discussion.

[Speaker 2] (21:05 - 21:14)
Yeah I'm sorry I think Jeff mentioned an opportunity for public comment so I think it's probably prudent just to see if anybody in the public that's here wants to comment on that so that we can check.

[Speaker 1] (21:14 - 21:57)
No thanks for the reminder. Yep if there's anyone in attendance on Zoom or by email to me and Duffy at swampscottma.gov who wants to comment on this item. I think that Steve Rosenberg your hand is still up.

I'm assuming that you do not want to comment on the Mosquito Control Board but if anyone else in attendance I do not see any hands raised. Thanks for that Peter. So with that Peter Spalios.

Aye. Katie Phelan.

[Speaker 16] (21:57 - 21:58)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (21:58 - 22:01)
David Grishman. Aye. Mary Ellen Fletcher.

[Speaker 16] (22:02 - 22:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (22:03 - 22:07)
And I am also an aye. All right thanks Jeff.

[Speaker 6] (22:07 - 22:08)
I appreciate your time thank you.

[Speaker 1] (22:15 - 23:31)
Okay next on the agenda is Heidi Weir and I think Bob Powell is an attendee too that he should be promoted. They're here to talk to us about a restructuring of Small Scout for All Ages and it sounds like maybe Heidi may want to provide a bit of an update on things happening at the Senior Center as well. David and Peter may recall and for Katie and Mary Ellen Heidi will go into more details but the Small Scout for All Ages committee was quite a large committee when it was first established.

I think because it was sort of doors open to everybody so it's been a bit you know they wanted to restructure it and have it be a more contained group and also provide the ability to have a quorum and to be more effective. So Heidi and Bob have been working with staff at Town Hall over the past months to figure out the best way to do this and that was delayed a bit but now they're back in front of us to try to get this moving forward so the Small Scout for All Ages can continue doing all the great work that they've been doing for the last couple of years. So with that I think I'll turn it over to you Heidi.

[Speaker 9] (23:32 - 26:34)
Thank you Neil. Good evening everyone. Yeah for just a little bit of a briefing on what's going on over the Senior Center we have a men's club group meeting tomorrow with I think featuring some football players and we have ice cream social, beach party in July down at Fisherman's Beach.

We'll hopefully put a tent up and have a cookout or something down there. Details to follow. Lots of tea parties, baseball games, lots of games happening and all kinds of social and support groups also happening at the Senior Center trying to reach out and work with folks that are isolated.

The other piece that we're working on is a resource guide that will be mailed to every home in the town of Swampscott that will connect folks with the various resources in housing, community development, what else, transportation, communication, those kinds of things and so those will fall in line with the Swampscott for All Ages domains that we'll talk about in a second. And the final piece there is we will also be launching a new website that will combine efforts for the Senior Center as well as Swampscott for All Ages. So we're pretty excited about what's happening over the Senior Center right now and of course looking into grants for an electric van.

Right, Sean? So here you go. All right.

So I think what we wanted to just share with you tonight was a little bit of backgrounds that we started in 2018 with a wonderful committee looking at putting together needs assessment. We hired UMass Boston to do that needs assessment and when we presented the data from that assessment we opened up to a committee of anybody who wanted to be on the committee. And at the debut of the needs assessment when we had Dr. Chen come out and speak with us, we had 64 members on the committee, which is a very big committee, very exciting. Anyway, what happened was 32 of those members got sworn in and then it started in the midst of COVID and the rest of the folks didn't get sworn in. But we end up right now with a working list of 50 people who are on the rolling list that we send out every month. About 24 of those members are active right now and about 80, I'm sorry, eight attend regular meetings.

And so with that we don't have a quorum because we don't really know who's on the committee. It's gotten very muddy. And so we've talked about it for a long time and Bob Powell has come up with a plan on how we can recreate this committee.

And so I think right now I'm going to do is turn it over to Bob and see if you want to fill in what your plan is.

[Speaker 10] (26:35 - 28:27)
Yeah, sure. Thanks Heidi and thanks everyone. So in essence, what we want to do is create a committee that's smaller in number.

13 is our target. Two of those members would be ex-officio Heidi and Marzi. Marzi has been a longstanding member of the committee and that would leave eight folks to be appointed to the committee by the select board.

Of those folks, each of them would become responsible for a specific domain that's within the age-friendly committee, which would be open spaces and buildings, transportation, respect and inclusion, housing, communication, civic participation, health and community and social participation. And by reducing the number to 13, we would also mimic what goes on with other advisory committees when they're originally appointed, the rolling term. So maybe four of the members would have a one-year term when they're first appointed, four would have two-year terms and three would have three-year terms and they could serve successive terms.

The hope here is that with by having a smaller committee, we'd be able to have quorums, keep meeting minutes and also keep in line with what we had originally intended, which would be to have chairs of these various domains, each of whom would then create subcommittees to help them implement the action plan that we've created and submitted to AARP. So right now that action plan, we completed year one of the action plan and we're now in year two of the action plan and this change terminating the old committee and creating a successor committee would allow us to move forward with years two through five plans. So that's the gist of it, the short version.

[Speaker 1] (28:29 - 28:30)
Anyone have any questions?

[Speaker 16] (28:40 - 28:41)
No.

[Speaker 4] (28:41 - 28:49)
I have one question. Bob, on your committee meetings, did you say the average of people that show up for your meetings are eight or nine?

[Speaker 10] (28:50 - 29:02)
Yeah, that's what Heidi said. Yeah, our attendance has dwindled in large part because of COVID and maybe other reasons. We've had a number of people who have also attended their resignations from the committee too along the way.

[Speaker 4] (29:03 - 29:16)
I'm just wondering if possibly you should go down to a committee of seven or nine versus 13, if your average has been eight or nine.

[Speaker 9] (29:24 - 29:38)
I think we went to the larger committee because we were looking at the eight different domains and hoping that one person would represent each of the domains, which would take us to eight and then you have the chair and Marcy and myself.

[Speaker 10] (29:39 - 29:55)
Yeah. So our intent, Mary Ellen, was to have the two ex officio, that brings us down to 11. Two co-chairs, that brings us down to nine.

And that would leave sort of eight chairs of the various domains. So that's why we picked 13.

[Speaker 4] (29:56 - 29:57)
All right. Sounds good.

[Speaker 10] (29:57 - 30:20)
Yeah. I don't think we'll have a problem. I mean, when we first launched this committee, as Heidi mentioned, we didn't turn away anyone.

There was a lot of enthusiasm for this. So I think if we reopen the applications for this committee, we'll get more than 13. And I don't anticipate any problems getting 13 at a meeting going forward.

[Speaker 4] (30:20 - 30:21)
Okay. Sounds good.

[Speaker 10] (30:22 - 30:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (30:25 - 32:05)
Okay. Any more comments or questions? So if not, then I guess I would entertain a motion to re-establish the Swanscot for All Ages committee to a membership number of 13, including two ex officio members, which will be, why don't I keep it generic, will be a staff person from the senior center, as well as a staff member from town hall community development and planning department.

Does that make sense? And then 13 members on staggered three-year terms. Did I miss anything, Peter?

You're probably picking up something that I left out. I think you mean 11 members. 11 members plus two ex officio.

Excuse me. Yeah. So do we have to have a motion as amended?

Second. Okay. Katie Phelan.

David Grishman. Mary Ellen Fletcher. Peter Spellios.

Hi. And I'm also an aye. So I suppose soon we'll be having in front of us some members to appoint to this committee, I hope very soon.

So you can continue your work. Yes. Great.

[Speaker 10] (32:05 - 32:07)
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

[Speaker 9] (32:07 - 32:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (32:08 - 32:23)
Peter, you have a question? Yeah, Sean, this will be publicized as we do other appointments. And again, I just want to make sure that we have that system still going here and make sure that gets publicized for 30 days.

[Speaker 3] (32:24 - 32:35)
Certainly will, Peter. You know, this is an important committee. And I'll work closely with Heidi and with Diane and Bob to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to put their hat in the ring.

[Speaker 16] (32:39 - 32:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (32:40 - 32:40)
Thanks.

[Speaker 16] (32:40 - 32:41)
Thanks, Heidi.

[Speaker 1] (32:41 - 36:18)
Thanks, Bob. Bye. All right.

Next is a review and possible vote on the earth removal permit for the new elementary school at the Stanley School site. I think we have a lot of attendees who we may want to promote. And if people could, if the folks on ERAC can maybe change their name to ERAC so Diane can promote you.

But there's John Picarillo. Tony is here, I think. And then we also have some folks from the design team, Mike Carroll.

I think David Harris is here. So if people can make their name apparent so that we can promote you for this conversation. And with that, if it is okay with the board, I may, I agree, Peter, we close the public hearing.

Well, before I do that, so people know we had a public hearing on this permit at our meeting last week. I think the public hearing portion lasted approximately two hours where we heard comment from residents in person as well as on Zoom. The board had a conversation after we closed the public hearing where we made some recommendations and suggestions to improve the permit.

Those revisions have been made, including language, updating the claims reporting process, increasing the radius for the pre-blast survey from 300 feet to 500 feet and adding language that allows residents outside of 500 feet to request a pre-blast survey. That's increased where the original permit was just 300 feet. There's language about the street sweeping requirements that is now updated to specify that the DPW director and town administrator are the ones to determine when such cleaning is necessary.

There's language about a mandatory meeting that has been added with the blasting contractor both before blasting begins as well as 30 days after blasting starts to hear concerns of the neighbors. The PPV has been updated to 2.0 after a long discussion about that standard, which we may get into tonight again. Blasting hours were revised from 9 to 4 to change from that to 9 a.m. to 3.30 p.m. Language was added to specify a warning system and notification as part of the pre-blast community meeting after feedback from residents. I think that covers the list of the major changes that were made. With that, I think before we enter into a conversation, I may welcome any additional public comment from attendees. I think Steve Rosenberg was raising his hand.

So Steve, if you want to raise your hand again, we can promote you if you do have something to say about this. If there are other people in attendance who feel they have something to comment about before we discuss further, please raise your hands.

[Speaker 13] (36:24 - 36:25)
I don't see any hands.

[Speaker 1] (36:26 - 36:54)
No, I don't. Okay, wait a minute. Now it's down.

Down now? Oh, here it is. Steve Rosenberg.

I did receive an email too. I guess this is to Ethan that somebody sent me an email saying that the Facebook stream doesn't seem to be working. I don't know what can be done about that.

[Speaker 12] (36:56 - 37:00)
It looks to be fine on my end. I'll do some checking to make sure.

[Speaker 1] (37:00 - 37:11)
Okay, that may be old too. If we can promote Steve Rosenberg, Diane. Okay.

[Speaker 5] (37:17 - 37:20)
Hi. Everybody hear me?

[Speaker 16] (37:20 - 37:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (37:21 - 38:44)
Hi. How are you doing? I'm Steve Rosenberg.

I live at 60 Lewis Road, Swampscott, about 600, 650 feet from the Stanley School. I spoke at the last week's select board meeting. And at that meeting, I brought up a number of issues, including communication between the town and its residents.

Last week, I mentioned that I had learned about the town's plans to tear down the school and blast away the property this summer. I also mentioned to your board that I was in the dark about the plans since the ERAC permit draft had not been posted on the town's website. Here we are a week later.

And while I asked for it to be posted a week ago, as we could see it, it's still not there. And I just have to ask why? Why did that happen?

We had a really good conversation last week about transparency. It's still not there. Thank God a selectman emailed me last night.

I had a chance to look at it. I actually emailed the entire select board after the meeting last week. I don't know if all your emails are working.

I did hear from three, but I did not hear from two. Are all your emails working?

[Speaker 4] (38:47 - 38:49)
Well, mine wasn't, but you did hear from me.

[Speaker 5] (38:51 - 38:52)
Everybody's email working?

[Speaker 2] (38:54 - 39:35)
Mr. Rosenberg, people's emails work, but because of open meeting law considerations and considering this was an active open meeting, when we saw other members responding, we can't respond because we create open meeting law issues. So that's unfortunate. Outside of public meetings, we are limited.

So you copied us on everything, and we all saw that multiple members responded to you. And frankly, if more of us had responded, frankly, three of us responding probably created a problem in and of itself. So it's an unfortunate reality.

It's a good reality to have the open meeting law, but it also prevents us from at times about things that are right and before us from having any kind of conversation with people because of that concern. But I'm very glad that three of my colleagues did.

[Speaker 5] (39:37 - 43:24)
Thank you for that answer. So here we are a week later. I asked for it to be posted and it's still not there.

A lot of us are still in the dark about what will be blown up, how it'll be blown up, what will be carted away, how much of this will impact us. I know that you've already reached a conclusion, but I feel like as a resident, I want to put this on the record because I've lived here a very long time, and I'm very passionate about this area and this neighborhood, and it goes way beyond a school. So I just don't know how you can vote on a draft tonight of a permit that very few people have seen, that's not on your website, that would begin a hundred million dollar project, which is really the largest spending project in the history of the town, without letting residents know what you're proposing and what you're planning.

We're still in the dark about what it is. That's why I proposed to you to postpone this vote so the public has time to read and properly respond. There's no point in rushing this through.

It's going to work. No one's against building the school. We're all on the same team.

We just want to make it work. The town needs to build trust and relationships with the neighborhood since it is this same neighborhood that will determine how to best live with the issues that this school will bring, not just the two years of demolition and construction, but in the coming decades. A group of 20 neighbors met with members with a member of the select board Sunday night at the school.

I would recommend that we meet again. I would recommend you hold off. We stand in the hall, then we talk about what's going to happen and we see each other, not on Zoom, but face to face so we can discuss this permit and project further and how we can collaborate as partners moving forward.

I'd be happy to arrange the meeting. So objectively at this point, we still have a communication problem. I believe that the town and you as elected officials need to view the neighbors as partners in this project.

We are homeowners, we're taxpayers, and way beyond that, we care very, very deeply about the site, the woods, and preserving the paths and vernal ponds and whatever history we can. That's why we need to have a fully transparent process. And to do this, all of the residents in this town, not just this neighborhood, need your help.

The town of Swampscott. I'm told that the town has an annual budget of about 70 million. Is that about right?

So it has a viable website that is a primary source for documents, postings, and news for your board, your town departments, and committees. I assume someone maintains this website and updates it. I ask you to immediately start posting important information on this website, especially about this project that's moving forward.

It should include all aspects of this project, such as a master schedule and timeline, a daily update of the daily blasting schedule. It would include start dates, descriptions of all demolition and construction projects slated to take place on the property. Do I need to wait for Mr. Spillios to come back?

[Speaker 1] (43:24 - 43:26)
He's listening. He's listening.

[Speaker 5] (43:27 - 45:05)
Okay. Remediation plans and how the lead and the toxin plans, toxins you may find will be removed and who will oversee that. Who will oversee the overall work?

A list of permits that have been obtained, street sweeping and washing schedule, truck departure schedules, such as, there's a big question, how many trucks will be leaving and arriving at the sites each day? In total, we're talking about thousands and thousands and thousands of truck trips. How the contractors plan to contain the dust from the demolition and construction.

What's the plan to limit rodents from entering the neighborhoods? It should also include protocols on how to file a claim if a home is damaged from blasting. All of this information should be published on the town's website before any work begins.

Again, we need to stress that the town be fully transparent about all aspects of this project. Here's my list of priorities that I've gathered from the group of residents. Pre-blast surveys.

The residents would like to have pre-blast surveys of all homes within 1,000 to 1,500 feet of the school. I know you said 500. Listen to me.

Having an independent company unrelated to the contractor conduct the pre-blast surveys and also review the claims.

[Speaker 1] (45:05 - 45:13)
Mr. Rosenberg, I don't want to, if you could try to move along please with your comments on the permit. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (45:16 - 46:18)
Blasting hours should be shortened. I believe you've already accommodated that community meetings with a designated paid town employee and contractor weekly during the project to receive feedback from neighbors and address concerns. I would also ask that you instruct the school building committee to mitigate their website to the Swampscot website, the official town website.

You have a Google Doc website for the school building committee. I think that the town has to take liability for this project. Be fully liable for this project and take full responsibility for this project and have its name on it as opposed to Google Docs.

I know you don't want me to talk anymore so I won't. I would love to meet with you. I know that the neighbors would and I would like this to be a great project.

We really want to work together and we're free. Free to meet.

[Speaker 1] (46:20 - 46:52)
Thank you Mr. Rosenberg. I appreciate you coming tonight. I appreciate your comments and your participation and reaching out to us both last week and over email and organizing your neighbors on this.

I think now I'm going to ask Tasia Vasiliou who is also raising her hand and then I think after that we'll enter in a discussion about the revised permit. Tasia are you there?

[Speaker 8] (46:53 - 50:30)
I am, thank you. I'm Tasia Vasiliou and I live at 16 Lewis Road down the street from Steve. I just wanted to say thank you Steve for such a comprehensive summary of those concerns.

I'm not going to reiterate all of them but I do just want to drill home that I know that there's been communication with the neighbors within the 300 foot radius. I believe most of that has been mandatory communication up until this point, certified letters and notifications of meetings and things. But what I really want to reiterate is that the neighborhood is so much bigger than just that 300 foot radius.

Even if you could just include the roads around the school, like a circle around that property which would be like Mason, Kensington, Lewis, Laurel, Orchard Road, Orchard Circle. We're the neighbors who are going to be dealing with you know most of the impact from the blasting, the noise, the dust and the traffic. But it goes way beyond that too.

I just want you guys to understand it's so much more than just the construction. Our kids are the ones, you know, I walk my kids to school every day and now I'm going to be driving my daughter over to Blaney Street. She's going to be the one displaced in her last year of elementary school.

Every day she comes home and talks to me about her teacher packing up her classroom in front of her. It's really sad for these kids. They're losing a huge part of their childhood and they're going to be playing in a neighborhood that's fully under construction with trucks everywhere.

They ride their bikes all over the place. There's so much more to it than just what appears to be on that permit. And communication with all of us is really critical and keeping us in the loop and hearing what our needs are is very very important.

I did look, I used our fancy GIS mapping software that we have for the town and I measured roughly where that 500 foot radius is that you're considering expanding to. And that is great that you're open to expanding and including more homes within that radius. But 500 feet really doesn't include many more homes.

You know, my recommendation would be to reiterate what Steve said and you know anywhere from a thousand to fifteen hundred feet there's so much ledge in this area. The houses especially you know up past the Ewing Woods and up towards like Pleasant Street in the middle school that's all ledge over there. So we're the ones who are going to be really at risk of being on those fault lines and obtaining the damage.

So you know expanding that option beyond 500 feet. 500 feet really doesn't include that many more neighbors when you look at it. So I just would like to request that.

And that's you know pretty much you know what I have right now. Steve summed it up very well. So thank you for listening and giving me the time.

[Speaker 1] (50:31 - 53:02)
Okay thanks Tasia. And I'll get your phone name correct one of these days. I'm sorry.

I appreciate your comments and Steve's comments. I think we all agree that communication from the town and from the project team is vital. I think that I don't disagree that we need more information on our website and the project needs a better website you know with more information and easier ways to find it.

And I think I have faith that improvements will be made there and that'll start to happen. The earth removal permit is one step for this process. And you know it's just allowing that part of the process to start.

But that doesn't mean communication ends or there isn't an ability to have more meetings with us or talk to us. But I think that what is also vital I think and they're here tonight is that it's really communication with the project team and the contractors because they're the ones who are doing the work and they're the ones who are going to be able to respond. So I think that ensuring that communication which I think we've done and it was some of the changes some of the comments made were actually it was as if you were reading from the list of the changes that I had just read that we had implemented.

So I think that we have you know we're going to talk about it right now but I do think we have come up with some reasonable accommodations that help move the project forward but also do so in a careful and thoughtful way for the neighborhood. That's you know while understanding that this is a major disruption to your neighborhood and to the that part of the community. So I completely understand that.

I don't know if the select board and I'm sure you've all had a chance I mean certainly can respond to any of this but also I think you've probably had a chance to review the revised permit. I don't know if folks had specific questions you wanted to talk to. If you wanted sort of an overview I think I would recommend that maybe we jump in on specific questions but happy to hear from the rest of you.

[Speaker 4] (53:04 - 53:05)
I mean questions from the board?

[Speaker 1] (53:08 - 53:11)
Yeah on the permit it's on the revision of the permit.

[Speaker 4] (53:12 - 53:25)
I don't have a question on on the you know we had a conversation about a revision. I don't have I don't have questions on it. I have comments.

Do you want me to wait for everybody to say their questions?

[Speaker 1] (53:27 - 53:29)
Questions or comments.

[Speaker 4] (53:29 - 56:31)
Okay so what I did after the last meeting was I did a little bit of research and I did have a conversation with Mr. Mike Carroll. He's from Hill International and I have to tell you it was really reassuring to talk to him and to know that he was going to be responsible for the project as you know I guess I could go as far as saying as the middleman. Hill will be taking over so that they will have full responsibility of what's going on and Mike told me that they would have somebody at the site every day.

He's the executive manager of it or you know Mike if I'm using the wrong terms I'm sorry I just I don't have that those notes I wrote down with you but he's the guy on the whole project and he was kind enough to even give me his phone number and he reassured me on a number of things. He also expressed that they were in the middle of a project at Braintree Middle School and he sent me videos of that and then I also called Braintree Middle School and spoke to the administrative office down there to ask them what their experience was with the project and their experience right now they're having a great experience. Blasting is going on while they're having MCATs.

The only issue that they were having is they had to spend a little bit more time following truck traffic. I also spoke with Suzanne Wright about issues that I heard while I was campaigning and issues I've heard from neighbors about communication and I've forwarded those suggestions to Suzanne Wright and she also recommended that the select board make a comment in in our meetings maybe a two-minute update on what's happening with the school on the new school maybe that would help with communication but the bottom line what I really thought about as I walked around I walked around Lewis I walked around Kensington I drove up and down Mason and the foundations over there are fieldstone foundations and with fieldstone foundations there are issues about cracking or I should say they're a little bit more vulnerable so I looked at a bigger map and I do think that we should consider and I would like to recommend that we move it out so that any homes within 1,500 feet if they want a survey done of their home to protect them I think that they should they should have that opportunity so that if something should go on if there should be damage they have the opportunity to apply for insurance for that.

[Speaker 1] (56:37 - 56:43)
You muted yourself sorry you just were saying after 1,500 foot radius.

[Speaker 4] (56:44 - 58:51)
Okay after the 1,500 foot radius I think it would be a good idea to have 1,500 foot radius because of the type of foundations they have out there and I'm saying only if people want if residents want to have an audit of their house in the event something should happen and the reason I'm coming to this decision is based on what happens up at the quarry with people at 1,000 to 2,000 feet. The other concern I had is Monday through Saturday 7 a.m to 6 p.m. You know I'm a hard-working individual and if I had a construction site across the street from me six days a week including blasting even though the blasting is only Monday through Friday what does that do to people emotionally and psychologically I mean it just seems like it's too much so I would recommend taking Saturdays off of that and also moving it to 8 a.m. So those are the things that really concerned me. The 2.0 blasting I'm actually in favor of that whereas I wasn't in the beginning but after research I'm in favor of that. I think the once the document is really communicated to everyone in the neighborhood I think they're going to feel very comfortable there is a section in there for roading control there's the majority of things that Mr. Rosenberg brought up I think once he reads the full document I think he's going to feel a little bit more comfortable if he gets a chance to speak with Mr. Carroll Mike Carroll I think he's going to feel really comfortable and and I think there's a way for us to make this a little bit more palatable for that for that community for that section that neighborhood so that's that is my opinion I'm it's the the distance the 1500 feet and the amount of days six days and I'm finished with my comment.

[Speaker 1] (58:52 - 58:54)
Well thanks Mary Ellen Anyone else?

[Speaker 2] (58:58 - 1:04:48)
So I'll go ahead Neil. So I got to say it's really it's such an unforced error that the permit is not posted online and and it's an unforced error in the fact that we asked for it to be posted online it didn't get posted online but more important than that it undermines what literally has been hundreds of hours of meetings that volunteers and professional staff have been doing for the last two years literally hundreds of hours no exaggeration right and it allows residents to feel as though there isn't transparency and you know I appreciate that not every resident knows about every meeting. Tasia tends a lot of school building committee meetings she attends a lot of select board meetings she seems to know where things are and how they're happening so that gives me encouragement that that information is out there if you want it and but but not posting the permit is just an unforced error and it's got to stop Sean just candidly we don't need to get into a discussion about that tonight it's got to stop we just got to be able to put that information out there it is literally the most most robust earth removal permit that we will ever pass in the town of Swampscott.

I'm going to say it again it is the most robust earth removal permit that we will ever pass in the town of Swampscott to date but yet we didn't put it on the website right and that's just that's unfortunate because it it gives it it gives credence to a narrative that a process that earth removal committee deserves better because they've spent hours in public meetings talking about this permit. I'm less concerned about the hours we're spending but they spent hours and before that this was talked about in hours and hours and hours of school building committees right so this is not new information it may be new to some but we've got to do better in getting that out. I appreciate I appreciate concerns about blasting but I also think you know these the state regulation is 2.0 and it's also 250 feet for the radius and and the people that put together that regulation didn't put it together for quarries it was put together for blasting like this and I trust that the regulators that and this has been out there for years the professional regulators know what they were doing when they created this radius and so while I appreciate that we have bedrock in our community and we have lots of ledge in our community what that that doesn't make us unique and I don't know that it merits a seven-fold increase in in you know upwards of seven-fold increase in in radius that we should be doing here what makes it unique is that in our backyards right and that that does make it unique it's Swampscott and so it's our backyard but but the conditions I don't think is what makes it unique it's just because it's something we all have to deal with and we all are going to get stuck in the traffic and I do appreciate what Ticia said about the sadness of her kids watching schools get packed up and and you know the people in Michon had that same sadness too at one point and when the high school was being built they had to drive behind slow dump trucks and and deal with blasting too and in a tight community like this it's inevitable we can't sneeze in this town without our neighbors saying God bless you from the next door window right and so that's that is the reality here it doesn't mean that we can't do things as a matter of fact I think to Mary Ellen's point I really appreciate Mary Ellen the homework that you did and the diligence that you did because there's a lot of substance behind this permit again I'm going to say this this is this permit I said it last week this permit is more pages than the last four earth removal permits for non-quarry operations put together in length it's crazy I mean it's to ERAC's credit they have done a really robust job here I am supportive of again the changes to increase the their requirements of 300 feet and then to allow people I think it currently says up to 500 feet I'd be willing to go a little bit higher to 600 feet or something but I think at some point it becomes just a little bit too much out there anybody can get a survey if they want the survey done that's for sure again I appreciate the concern about Fieldstone I have a I have a foundation that is crumbling myself and but again these regulations this is not new this is behavior that happens all that this is construction activities that happen in a lot of communities just like Slumpscot and so I would be open to that the hours of operation again if you if you look granularly at the hours of operation the blasting are limited the seven seven to six six days a week is not what the blasting is and that's really what's before us in terms of an earth removal permit the other hours of operation are standard private contractors all the time all across Slumpscot can operate with those hours and on Saturdays which is reasonable so I don't support further restrictions of the hours because I think the blasting restriction on hours is already more intense and I appreciate the change on that so I think that is all I have to say and I also sorry one more thing I do appreciate I know David Grishman also reached out to neighbors and I don't think any of us knew that Mary Ellen was meeting with neighbors but I don't believe Mr. Rosenberg got back to Mr. Grishman and it's you know it's tough in between meetings to do these meetings again open meeting law presents a quandary and you know we spend a lot of hours doing these things and we can always do more undoubtedly but I would be remiss if I didn't point out this school building committee quite literally did outreach like no other committee I've ever seen in my 20 years in Slumpscot the school building committee chair quite literally hand delivers to 150 homes the monthly update right to make sure everybody's getting it and that's like volunteering and so the effort's there again I take an unforced error by us by not posting the permit but it shouldn't take away from the significance of the permit because it really is very significant and it's there to protect the neighbors and I'm comfortable that that protection is there as drafted.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:55 - 1:05:00)
David and Katie have any questions or comments you want to add to the conversation?

[Speaker 11] (1:05:01 - 1:06:07)
Yeah I just want to piggyback a little bit on what Peter said which is the edited language the revised language of the permit does expand that radius so that folks within 300 to 500 feet will be offered the opportunity for pre-virus surveys and then it does state for properties outside the 500 foot radius residents may request inclusion in a pre-virus survey so just because you're outside of that 500 foot radius it's my understanding doesn't mean you're precluded from obtaining a survey so I just want to make that recommendation that observation and then additionally I would just also like to reiterate it's not for a lack of wanting to reply to folks outside of open meeting we just have to be very careful about that and so yes my email works and while I would have loved to all participate in a conversation over the email we are also stuck between a rock and a hard place of that restriction so thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:08 - 1:07:04)
Yeah I'll just mention just on that too I mean Peter said it but when people email the select board as a whole often one of us will respond reply all and in my experience it is a tricky thing to try to navigate but unless there's something that you need to add or you know so it really is sort of hard to then have that be a multiple party conversation so and usually someone responds and sort of takes the lead and tries to provide a response so that that is not unusual and it is a bit awkward and but it's certainly not I know in this case because people aren't interested or wanting to communicate with with people through email or otherwise. David I don't know if you want to add to it.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:06 - 1:08:16)
Yeah just just really briefly Neil you know I feel comfortable with the you know with the changes that we made during our last meeting actually seeing them in the permit you know gives me a great deal of confidence that you know we did have a two-hour dialogue publicly with the neighbors we did hear their concerns we did make substantive changes to the permit and you know I mean let's be honest I have I have friends all of us do on on Lewis Road on Mason in the in that areas we do not want you know our neighbor our neighbors properties to be damaged we want their them to be to be heard you know I've talked to a number of folks there are you know there are softball coaches our baseball coaches volunteers within our community you know so we you know we certainly you know care and respect you know our neighbors you know we have a sign in Swampscott love thy neighbor and I think that we've I think that this this permit you know to Peter's point is is very very comprehensive and I think I mean I'm I'm comfortable with the changes that we made at our last meeting and I'm I'm ready to take a to take a vote.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:18 - 1:08:32)
I have a quick question so if somebody lives say well just say somebody lives a thousand feet away and they want an what is it called? Is it called an audit? What is the actual survey?

[Speaker 16] (1:08:35 - 1:08:36)
Pre-blast survey.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:37 - 1:09:03)
They just call and so they would just call and request a pre-blast survey and do they have to pay for that or is that what what's are they is it the same as somebody who lives we'll have to look at that on a case-by-case basis but we included language in the permit that anybody outside of 500 foot radius may request for inclusion in a pre-blast survey.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:04 - 1:09:38)
Obviously you know these pre-blast surveys can be expensive and we certainly have to manage a project consistently an overall budget but we want to be as supportive as possible and we certainly we've increased this significantly from that 300 foot to 500 feet and and if there are neighbors within a proximity that really seems like it may be impacted we will certainly review that and include individuals on a case-by-case basis.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:39 - 1:10:18)
Yeah that's that's that just seems to be a little bit too you know I wish that was a little bit more definite. It's too objective for me. I mean I my number one goal is just to this is a this is on a huge piece of stone and I'm having a problem with people owning a home you know 800, 900, 1500 feet from and that that are on the same fault line that could get damaged.

That's what that's my concern.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:18 - 1:13:10)
My concern as well Mary Ellen and in fact it's been my concern with every one of the projects that we've had in town and you know I spoke with one of the abutters for the Greenwood school this week. In fact I met with an individual that sent several emails and complained about the blasting and some of the impacts from that site and I asked them what was your biggest concern? It was it was the fear and the really the anxiety over the blasting but when it happened they did not have as much of those concerns.

It actually I think everybody with a Fieldstone Foundation in Swampskate and everybody most everybody has an older home. I think everybody is anxious and I asked this person what would you have liked to have had that you didn't have and their answer was I wish I had a phone number of somebody I could call that would answer it every day that I could express some concerns about the project. From my perspective when we looked at the pre-blast survey section we added not just what the select board had requested to have a community meeting but we added an on-site meeting for neighbors to meet with the contractors and the blasting company and really get a face-to-face meeting so that they can talk to the people that are going to be working on that site and make sure that we have relationships there. We certainly want to protect that neighborhood. We want to help our residents but we've got to manage a project that is is getting more and more complicated by the day and as a town ultimately I have that responsibility and I have to try to be fair about this.

Certainly you know we're gonna do everything we can to make sure that every neighbor feels as though we're going to listen and support the relationships that are going to be integral to having a successful project but we've got to manage a complicated project and I think the changes we have made in this permit as Peter has mentioned other board members are as extensive as any we've ever addressed and we've done this because we are the town and we are advancing this project.

We want to set a gold standard for future earth removal projects that really does say hey our residents do matter and we are going to be as careful as possible as we move forward with a major new school.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:12 - 1:16:14)
Can I just chime in for a second here Sean? I appreciate it. Mary Ellen, I really appreciate the comments you're making here.

A couple of things. The earth removal process isn't triggered whenever there's blasting. The earth removal process and the earth removal permit process is having to do with a quantity of materials being removed from a site and so there are projects across town today where there'll be blasting for a foundation or there'll be something going on that is completely not regulated by the earth removal process here in Swampscott.

Instead it's completely regulated by state regulation. The fire department gets involved you know etc etc and so that happens all across Swampscott all the time. I mean that is just a fact of life here in Swampscott.

The earth removal process is triggered by volume of fill right. The bigger projects make sure we're capturing the bigger projects but that being said I appreciate Mary Ellen's point. So I guess what I would like to suggest is that Mike Carroll has previously said look it's to our benefit to be doing pre-bath surveys because we don't want it's to the blaster's benefit to do it because they're not looking for claims and to have faulty claims right and so they like them because they want to be able to say see that was there type of thing.

So I don't think there's a fear about doing pre-blast surveys. It's not about the money of doing pre-blast surveys but I do think again we've got to be careful about you know every single earth removal permit from now on are we going to say that we're going to go 1,500 feet we're going to do a thousand feet for every single homeowner that does a project and has something that's going on here. I mean I just worry that you know what precedent we're setting.

That being said I think it's worthwhile to give notice to people right and so I guess I would ask that we a slight variation on Mary Ellen's concerns but to make sure people know about the availability of this to be able to say look if you're within 300 feet you're getting the statutory notice the regulatory notice of certified mail and then beyond 300 feet if you're three to five hundred feet I think permit says that you will you're entitled to one if you trust one and then beyond 500 feet if you excuse me if you want one then on a case by case basis. I am pretty confident that it's in the interest of the team to to be as thoughtful in their response in that but I do want every one of those people in those radiuses to everyone get a letter. So the certified mails for the first 300 but then from three to five hundred and five to a five to a thousand is what I would say not 1500 but five to a thousand make sure that at least everybody gets a letter that says that it's available for them to request and again depending on which radius they're in it's automatic or it's on a case-by-case basis so at least people know it and then you know that way we'll see how this works as well but I do think it's very important that we don't just create this radius and this opportunity and do it for the 30 people that are listening to us tonight but instead let's make sure that the 30 residences that want them are the ones that hear about this directly from the town which is the project team at this point. So that would be my suggestion as a modification further modification from what's already drafted in the permit.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:16 - 1:17:36)
So Peter I appreciate that but it still brings me back to people that do live on the fault line that are over 500 feet and that there's there's I would really like to see something with teeth that it's just not it's just not willy-nilly like somebody has the opportunity if I mean there's gonna be a lot of people that don't want you to come in and look in their house they they don't want to have a pre-blast survey and they're going to be fine but there are going to be people who are like well I want somebody to come in here and and video my foundation just make sure I'm safe because I am on this piece of rock and as it vibrates I am at risk this is a very I'm not sure if I can use the word unique situation but it's it is unique I mean it's it's a lot of earth removal in a small area the blasting is going to affect multiple homes and I just if I would feel I would feel a lot better about this if somebody who lived you know for example like I'm good with a thousand feet if somebody lived at 950 feet if they know that I can I can get my house audited if I so choose but not not having that guarantee to me you know

[Speaker 2] (1:17:36 - 1:19:47)
it makes me uncomfortable I think a little differently on that which is I think us you know expanding the radius from what the state requires you know is is significant we're already doing that and I just feel as though we I the next one that comes along may be a lot less blast but the house may be you know equally on fault lines and again we're saying fault lines as if I know what a fault line means for geology where my house is fault line I don't know that but but so it's not I I totally get what you're trying to protect and and and it's it's important Mary Ellen but I also it's it's it's a it's a huge multiple of what the state regs actually require and we have never even come close to to doing that and I and again I get the concern and a lot of the concerns relates to the fact that everyone's experience in this town is the quarry right not not residential blasting projects or you know projects in our neighborhoods that's that happens that happens Nick Menino is doing that already in our neighborhood right Menino construction is doing that it's the quarry so all of our experiences is one based in understandable fear for a quarry which is a thousand times the weight and size of a blast so when you talk to people that are a thousand feet away from the quarry they're dealing with reverberations on a size of a blast that is the equivalent of these took every blast that the school's going to do and put it into one blast if you will um so so I hear you I'm just coming out a little differently and saying let's at least give them notice I trust look at the I I've had plenty of conversations with Mike Carroll as well you did he's a pretty serious dude um and he he's not not looking to shortchange things and if he thinks it's worth doing and he looks at a house and says you're right this is a fieldstone house this is in a tough place I'm I'm confident the team will make the right decision but I think we've got to let the team this is a professionally run and uh professional team as any project will ever do in Swampscott frankly because we we have this professional OPM involved so I'm just I'm with you I'm just advocating that instead we just give them notice and give them a chance to request it and trust that Mike Carroll and the team will do do the right thing based on individual

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:54)
circumstances I think um Mike Carroll's here as an attendee I think it may make sense maybe we have

[Speaker 12] (1:19:54 - 1:20:41)
him uh comment sure uh can you hear me yep um so I I would agree with Peter I I mean just so everybody understands the state limit is 250 feet from the blast site going 350 feet from the property line we're already almost doubling that in many locations like the state regulation just by going to 300 now by going to 500 you're more than doubling it and and I I think at 1500 I would be surprised if anybody even could tell when the blasting would happen um because we're not the quarry this is a much smaller process and and and I I think that the recommendations that

[Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:22:47)
is something that I would support okay thanks thanks Mike I guess I'll just add my two cents I I I feel like similarly I mean the 250 foot number is coming from the state I think if the the the arbitrary numbers are are 1500 feet I mean 250 is what is recommended and I agree I mean I think Katie said it last week like I'm not a blaster nor am I a regulator of such operations but there are professionals who do regulate these operations they say 250 and I think it's important to reiterate once again that that's 250 from the blast site and we're going 300 from the property line so we're already you know when you go from the property line you're already adding sort of 20 to 50 feet there and then you're adding 50 to the 250 and then we're going another 200 feet outside of that this is outside of the regulation number that they're requiring of all projects so we're we're sort of twice it more than twice and so I think it's more than reasonable to have that in our permit as well as I am I am fine with the recommendation of making sure that we send out notice from 500 to a thousand feet of just letting people know that a pre-blast survey will be reviewed you know on a case-by-case basis for them and make sure they know that the opportunity is there that they can submit that request I'm comfortable with that personally are there any other comments or questions on this or any other parts of the permit or any other language in the permit that anyone wanted to bring up

[Speaker 2] (1:22:50 - 1:23:31)
so no but I'll go ahead and make a motion if you're ready Mr. Chairman yeah I'm ready I'd make a motion to approve the revised permit reflecting the red line changes uh permits that were made and described by the chair earlier this evening with the additional revisions that the permit made clear that residents between 300 and 500 feet be given a mailer to let them know that if they request a pre-demo survey they will receive a pre-demo survey and residents within in excess of 500 feet to 1000 feet get a mailer that makes let them know that there's the possibility of a pre-demo survey and how they can request one and that that will be

[Speaker 1] (1:23:31 - 1:23:44)
determined on a case-by-case basis do I have a second second any further discussion all right

[Speaker 11] (1:23:45 - 1:23:59)
uh case allen uh so I vote yes sorry that's all right that's correct um

[Speaker 4] (1:23:59 - 1:24:23)
Peter Stelios hi Mary Ellen Fletcher um my vote is no uh without having um better verbiage on the 500 to 1000 to make sure people have a clear opportunity to have a pre-blast survey my my I'd like to vote yes but unfortunately I have to vote no without having

[Speaker 1] (1:24:23 - 1:24:35)
that okay David Grishman yes and I am also a yes all right thanks everybody hey thanks thanks

[Speaker 2] (1:24:35 - 1:25:00)
again to John Piccarello uh Tony Bandewich uh Ted Smith and everybody on the uh ERAC committee for all your efforts you guys did a lot of the elbow grease and and gave us a recommendation so just thank you it's a really really tough job you guys do um so thank you thank you thank you great thanks they should you know ERAC is tough select board's easy

[Speaker 1] (1:25:03 - 1:25:38)
so um as mentioned the next item on our agenda we won't be talking about tonight there's a comment letter for mass housing on the eligibility of atlantic bay view residences at foster road and archer street as David mentioned if residents want to continue to send comments to marzigalaska at town hall and the community development office we can forward your comments on to mass housing or you can send comments to is it it's Mike Busby right David at mass housing

[Speaker 7] (1:25:39 - 1:25:45)
Michael Busby at mass housing and okay and email to marzi please okay and we'll be taking that

[Speaker 1] (1:25:45 - 1:25:54)
comment letter up likely on um on Monday May 16th um where do residents find uh is that on the

[Speaker 4] (1:25:54 - 1:26:08)
website you know just with if people look at the website are they would they be able to see that the project itself no not the project but sending a letter you know the sending a letter to Mr.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:08 - 1:26:41)
Busby um Peter I don't know if I mean I mean we've just been advertising the these you know through through the various community meetings that have been held on site uh this was the process that that was uh you know that was undertaken during the last uh attempt to develop this property uh in December January so there's already pretty there's already very robust communications that are happening uh with with the neighbors uh on foster road and archer um

[Speaker 1] (1:26:41 - 1:26:48)
I think the quickest way Mariela is if they send it to Marzi she's compiling all the comments and

[Speaker 4] (1:26:48 - 1:27:12)
submitting them to mass housing well what I'm saying is if if uh if if say my neighbor decides to look on look on the website to see what's in the news or what's going on or you know just to get updated is there a way for them to see uh to see oh there's something going on over at archer it has to do with affordable housing uh maybe let me send a letter to support my neighbors

[Speaker 1] (1:27:12 - 1:27:23)
I'm just saying there's a projects um page on the community development um on the community development page on the left hand side as you look at the screen there's a whole list of all

[Speaker 4] (1:27:23 - 1:27:42)
the projects and all the applications yeah I come in I'm thinking I think what I'm doing I'm recommending should we put this under news or you know there are people that would want to write a letter to Mr. Busby in support of that neighborhood so I think we can find a way to

[Speaker 3] (1:27:42 - 1:28:04)
promote this uh on the town home page and ensure that residents are able to send some comments into our community and economic development director that'd be great that's really what we want to direct uh comments to um to just ensure that um you know we file a unified uh packet of comments

[Speaker 7] (1:28:04 - 1:28:11)
right and and something like this could go out in the town newsletter correct that'll be great yes

[Speaker 1] (1:28:13 - 1:29:56)
you could have a whole town writing letters all right so um the last item on the agenda is um town meeting warrant um there's some articles that um we may want to recommend favorable action or indefinite postponement on that we didn't um when we closed the warrant as well as um I think it'd be a good idea to have a discussion about um each article and and who may be speaking to what um for town meeting if um if it's if it's necessary or required for for us to speak to it so I think that maybe um maybe the best thing to do is just to go through a page turn on this um and uh discuss if you have any questions about any of the articles but also uh we will um manage them at town meeting does that make sense Neil do you want me to put it up on the screen yes sorry so um the first is um reports of town boards and committees we don't need to speak to that nor um vote on it um the bills of prior fiscal years um Sean and and maybe Peter and even Mary Ellen you could help me on this but I don't I don't think we typically say anything

[Speaker 4] (1:29:56 - 1:30:05)
about that no right you don't that's finance committee yeah yeah um we'll answer questions

[Speaker 1] (1:30:05 - 1:30:39)
but certainly yeah okay um on the budget um I don't I just don't know if people wanted to have a conversation about the budget we've recommended favorable action on it um but if anyone wanted to ask any questions Amy's here or um you know again I believe finance committee really handles that um I don't think that anyone on the select board typically gets up and um comments unless they're on specific line items that we're better um able to answer questions on but I think that typically ends up going to the town administrator

[Speaker 4] (1:30:42 - 1:30:54)
so I want to agree with that I think it's I think uh the finance committee usually handles it or you're saying if there's a serious question and the town administrator handles it well yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:30:54 - 1:31:52)
I mean I don't think we need to determine who would respond to questions on the budget because the questions typically are are online specific line items right so maybe your finance committee or one of us are likely sean or amy yeah yeah or amy excuse me thanks amy um collected bargaining agreements I just want to hold on just a minute I'm just I apologize for the fast scroll everyone was away so I think this was um we didn't um we're reporting on this article because there wasn't an exact amount um I think that typically this will be mostly sean who manages um the response to this

[Speaker 3] (1:31:53 - 1:32:15)
correct that's right yeah right we'll have a motion that will itemize the first year cost for each of the collective bargaining agreements that the board has ratified and that have been ratified by the various unions and that will be spelled out in a motion okay

[Speaker 1] (1:32:17 - 1:32:28)
and I don't think there's any reason for us to do anything other than to report on it at this point right not to recommend favorable action somebody's gonna have to move the the

[Speaker 3] (1:32:28 - 1:32:56)
motion so somebody from the finance committee or the select board will have to make that motion and I think it's usually the finance committee financial articles um but certainly um you know I think as these are contracts that are ratified by the select board I think it might be helpful to have a select board member you know speak to um the importance of these contracts

[Speaker 2] (1:32:58 - 1:33:13)
okay so so so I think my suggestion typically sean we would actually demerge you speaking about it since you are the one negotiating them so I think that after that it's moved I think you being recognized to speak on the contracts and to give a two

[Speaker 1] (1:33:13 - 1:34:32)
two minute three minute synopsis is important agreed yep um water and sewer transfers I sent you all which you may not have had time to to see that some information I just had questions about this because of my involvement on the rate setting um last year and just in the year before knowing that when you transfer retained earnings you're in some ways there are implications for the rate so I just wanted to have a sense of what the assumptions were so I forwarded that information along to you I'm comfortable with the assumptions that have been made in terms of this these retained earnings transfers um I just want to I mean one question for sean is just that I do think there is as summer goes on um no one wants another town meeting but if there is a special town meeting in the fall there is opportunity as the summer goes on if some of our assumptions change that we could potentially be setting rates assuming that we may ask for a transfer of more retained earnings in the fall if needed correct that's correct I think you know

[Speaker 3] (1:34:32 - 1:35:16)
what we've um presented is a prudent um you know use of retained earnings that that perhaps will us just continue to stabilize our water and wastewater rates and and you know continue our annual rate setting for august if we get to august and assumptions have skewed to a point where you know we see a spike in the rates we can then contemplate uh in the use of additional retained earnings and uh think about a a fall town meeting okay and I think again with with

[Speaker 1] (1:35:16 - 1:35:43)
these both of these articles this would be um tim sorry the finance committee and yeah yep finance committee does both of those so I think well so for these I mean it's in the on it um does it make sense for us to to vote on five and six right now um for favorable action

[Speaker 3] (1:35:43 - 1:35:57)
or does it matter at this point I think it always matters and I think you know as select citizens folks are going to want to know what you think so that yeah because they're I mean they're putting

[Speaker 1] (1:35:57 - 1:36:10)
together a powerpoint for town meetings so I don't know if if others are comfortable we could we could um change our um opinion that we um recommend favorable action if anyone wants

[Speaker 2] (1:36:10 - 1:36:58)
to make that motion or peter's saying no oh I I just like not that the ship has sailed per se but we the motion is going to be this amount on town meeting floor by the finance committee okay and so it's it's it's I've never seen us and I don't think that the powerpoint that would all of a sudden jump up and disagree with the finance committee now if when we get to the rate setting opportunity in in June and July something happens that the rate setting is thrown off because of the way budgets have come in or revenue and whatnot and we feel as though we need to use more retained earnings we can always do that and then go to special town meeting for that but I don't think there's anything that will happen on town meeting floor that precludes us from following fincom's lead at the moment with favorable recommendations okay you know I have

[Speaker 4] (1:36:58 - 1:37:05)
a question are we even allowed to vote on anything if our agenda doesn't doesn't say

[Speaker 1] (1:37:05 - 1:37:16)
possible vote um it says possible action um new and old business possible action vote of the board

[Speaker 4] (1:37:16 - 1:37:23)
and then it's just all a list of items underneath oh so I'm looking here review of 2022 annual town

[Speaker 1] (1:37:23 - 1:37:44)
meeting warrant yeah but if you look at the heading of the agenda new and old business and then it says possible action vote of the board so I think that's sort of okay I read that as all encompassing of everything that's listed there that makes sense all right but yeah I'm just not sure I

[Speaker 4] (1:37:44 - 1:38:03)
I remember seeing a select board meeting a few months ago and it was brought up that because something wasn't on the agenda you couldn't take a vote on it so I just want a clarification on what can be voted on and what can't that's all okay I think we're okay on that one Mary Ellen

[Speaker 2] (1:38:03 - 1:38:13)
it was because the whole topic itself did not appear on the agenda okay so if it if it should

[Speaker 1] (1:38:13 - 1:39:45)
come up I I'm comfortable speaking to article five and six should our opinion be asked for on that one infrastructure fund we recommend favorable action I don't expect that we'll have to speak to that so that's article seven similarly with article eight and feel free to jump in and stop me or ask questions if you want similarly with article nine article 10 the same thing I think capital projects will report at town meeting I think maybe Peter you'll probably if if we're to report on that you'll be the one does that make sense yep yep and citizens petition articles we actually recommended indefinite postponement this was a misprint um the select board we voted on this at our last meeting so um just to make that correction known here um I don't know that we technically really speak to these since they're citizens petitions I'm not sure how that's been handled in the past Peter I mean we'll speak to

[Speaker 2] (1:39:45 - 1:40:29)
it after the petitioner if asked yeah if it was relevant right I mean so finance committee will speak on on this because it has financial consideration and then if others felt like they needed to speak on the up the next citizen petition where the board which is the one regarding the constitution of fincom where I think that does directly implicate the select board it's actually seeking to give the select board greater authority over appointments of fincom and this board unanimously did not support that it may be helpful for someone from our board to get up and say hey despite the fact that this is saying the select board should appoint people to fincom the select board doesn't think we should be appointing people to fincom I think it's a helpful thing for town meeting to not just see but to hear from the select board members okay

[Speaker 17] (1:40:33 - 1:40:42)
I believe someone from fincom plans to also give comments on article 13 from the finance committee standpoint okay

[Speaker 1] (1:40:44 - 1:41:21)
um I'm happy to give those comments um unless somebody else wants to okay so darn article 14 this will be oh so article 14 we need to discuss because we were sent you were sent some materials um and let me see I don't think angela is here I think it would make yeah angela's raising her hand um and if you can promote angela yeah I can just uh neil just so

[Speaker 2] (1:41:21 - 1:41:39)
you know I don't think there's something we're gonna be able to vote on I mean we have to look at the revised language and I know angela's gonna come back to this in motion so we can just report at town meeting my guess I haven't I haven't looked at it at all and I don't want to do it on the fly here okay um but if it is what we thought it was I don't you know again on town meeting floor

[Speaker 1] (1:41:39 - 1:41:50)
we can you know chime in positively okay so do you want to just discuss before town meeting we'll discuss the revised language because you haven't had a chance to look at it is that okay yeah if we

[Speaker 2] (1:41:50 - 1:42:11)
we can do that on monday before our meeting right before town meeting and then if we let the town clerk know or certainly the moderator know that you can put that up on the screen what our recommendation is okay all right I think I anticipated I anticipate it's favorable I'm sorry to interrupt I anticipate it's favorable it's just I just want to have a chance to go

[Speaker 1] (1:42:11 - 1:43:08)
through the language okay so let's let's plan on doing that sorry sorry angela well um we'll reach out on that um offline and then um 15 is uh climate change action plan resolution I will speak to that um actually may be joined by some high school students um who I met with today as well as other people on the climate action resilience uh committee so um I'm I'll take that one um and then indigenous people's day I think um we're recommending favorable action and I would um welcome volunteers to speak to that um proclamation if anyone wants to be the spokesperson for why this is important anyone

[Speaker 4] (1:43:11 - 1:43:16)
I'll do that um if you're already up there why don't you just take it

[Speaker 2] (1:43:18 - 1:43:24)
I'm actually one David did you want to if not I didn't know if it's something you wanted

[Speaker 7] (1:43:24 - 1:43:32)
Katie Katie had volunteered I thought yeah I'm happy to write something up nice are you

[Speaker 4] (1:43:34 - 1:43:51)
are you a town meeting member or non-town are you a town meeting member I am not a town meeting member that's a good question because so we we had this come up at the finance committee um we had a non-town meeting member who couldn't um speak on an article so I don't know

[Speaker 11] (1:43:51 - 1:43:55)
oh well I'm gonna steal the rules from this conversation then

[Speaker 2] (1:43:55 - 1:44:12)
right thank you it's the state board's warrant this is yeah sorry but the intelligence of the moderator any resident uh and then town meeting any resident can speak so I'm it may require Mike to do an extra step to let Katie speak but I have no doubt that Katie can speak

[Speaker 4] (1:44:12 - 1:44:31)
okay non-residential we just uh we just um no he was he was a he was a resident of Swampscott he just wasn't a town meeting member and actually I think uh the current chair even of finance committee fell into that loop a few years ago too so that's why I'm that's the only reason I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:44:31 - 1:44:45)
bringing it up so Katie I think you can speak to it if you're comfortable doing it um then I'd say go for it I think it'd be great to have you do it love to do it okay yeah the moderator is the

[Speaker 2] (1:44:45 - 1:44:50)
moderator is in attendance if you do want to ask that question but you don't have to I think we're

[Speaker 1] (1:44:50 - 1:46:01)
okay we can figure it out um okay I think that's it did uh does anyone have any other questions on that or is it anything I left out please um speak up so awesome so I think that um before we move on to the consent agenda just um so we should plan on um possibly caucuses start at six so we may want to have an executive session um prior to town meeting as well so just think about possibly like five o'clock um and then we will have at least a public meeting to approve the comment letter um for mass housing so I think think about it as five we may maybe it'll be 5 30 um do you so I haven't done this without being virtual on the select board do we typically meet in the principal's office or in a classroom is there do we do a classroom for our meeting before yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:46:01 - 1:46:12)
yeah we can do like the library um so Diane you'll just coordinate we'll coordinate I'm glad happy to help offline we've already drafted an agenda

[Speaker 3] (1:46:12 - 1:46:18)
for the select board on Monday to meet at the library and Diane's already um looking to

[Speaker 2] (1:46:18 - 1:46:59)
coordinate that so okay yeah so that should include just just general discussion and potential votes on Warren articles Sean and and the foster 40 foster road 40b project comment letter yeah and I hope that David David has gotten any comments on that and so the letter now fits with me so I'm hoping I'm sorry that we didn't get it for tonight I'm hoping to be able to get it to people um maybe by end of business tomorrow if not definitely on Friday so you'll have that comment letter um well in advance of Monday that's great thanks thanks thanks again to both you for

[Speaker 1] (1:46:59 - 1:47:19)
doing that I know it's kind of quick turnaround um Mike McClung you're here are you um here to contribute positively to our conversation can you unmute Mike McClung there we go I'm sorry

[Speaker 15] (1:47:19 - 1:47:25)
thank you Mr. I just wanted to um point out that the caucuses are noticed for 645

[Speaker 1] (1:47:27 - 1:47:33)
oh okay thanks so maybe not five o'clock or else I'll be sitting around the high school but

[Speaker 2] (1:47:33 - 1:47:46)
you know stay I'll keep you posted on that I just asked the moderator since he's here like so what is the story non-town meeting member who's on the select board is it true she has to wear a

[Speaker 15] (1:47:46 - 1:47:52)
funny hat when she speaks at town meeting uh definitely a funny hat wait a minute I am a I'm

[Speaker 11] (1:47:52 - 1:48:02)
a resident I'm just not a you said a non-resident I'm a resident I'm just not a resident I'm more focused on the funny hat at the moment but yeah I'm just ignoring the funny hat comment

[Speaker 15] (1:48:03 - 1:48:18)
so um she uh Ms. Phelan can absolutely speak at town meeting uh she's not empowered to make a motion so uh I'll connect with Neil and we'll discuss who's uh who's going to be making the

[Speaker 1] (1:48:18 - 1:49:20)
motion on the final two articles okay yeah just and it's the last one maybe David will hang out up there and make the motion makes sense yep all right so um I think that's all we need to talk about for town meeting um and so the next is approval of the consent agenda uh consent agenda is designed to expedite the handling of routine and miscellaneous business of the board uh we may adopt the entire consent agenda with one motion or at the request of any board member any items may be removed from the consent agenda and placed on the regular agenda for discussion consent agenda items um tonight are the minutes from our May 4th meeting uh appointment of Tara Gallagher to the tree committee for a three-year term um expiring on June 30th, 2025.

Any questions or comments on the consent agenda?

[Speaker 7] (1:49:21 - 1:49:23)
Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:23 - 1:49:29)
I have a second um Marion uh Marion Fletcher.

[Speaker 14] (1:49:30 - 1:49:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:31 - 1:49:32)
Katie Phelan.

[Speaker 14] (1:49:33 - 1:49:33)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:34 - 1:49:47)
Chris Pellios. Hi. David Grishman.

Hi. And I am an aye. All right uh select board time does anyone have anything?

[Speaker 4] (1:49:51 - 1:50:09)
I just I'm going to have off oh go ahead go ahead Marion. I'm going to have office hours at 9 a.m at the gazebo on Saturday and that's all I have for office hours for today all I have for for comment for today.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:10 - 1:50:47)
Awesome. No I just I just want to applaud the uh the work of uh Swampscot Rec and uh Danielle Strauss uh and and her team uh have really been putting together a great list of events uh this summer um it was pretty extensive and expansive and uh it it really warms my heart to see so many uh so many positive things happening in town and I I really you know look forward to uh to attending these events participating and volunteering uh as well so I'm incredibly excited and I look forward to uh to this uh to this summer.

[Speaker 11] (1:50:49 - 1:51:13)
I echo David's um comments because I was very excited to see the events roll out this week for the summer I'm sure there'll be even more added they're just such a value add to our community and I'm really excited you know to take the kids and and to be part of you know the things that are happening about town and I hope to see a lot more faces doing the same thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:17 - 1:54:12)
That's great thanks um I just have a couple minor things one um just to select board members just to let you know um I'm going to send out a list of committees um for for our liaison appointments I'll send out that information to you all um through email um you can um select you know what some of your preferences are and then I think at one of our meetings after town meeting everything's happening after town meeting by the way all business but after town meeting at you know soon after town meeting we'll um have a meeting where um we can um decide on which committees we'll all be liaising with and um as Peter did when David and I came on the board I think you know I'll provide the list and current assignments but please just provide you know your choices as to the committees you want to be assigned to whether or not other members are there already and then um you know just sort of in order of preference and then we can sort it all out it worked out pretty well last time um and just because you're a liaison or just because you're not a liaison doesn't mean you can't work with a committee it's just sort of you know the prime contact person for that committee so I just wanted to mention that that that's coming if people were wondering and then just also wanted to mention that I had um a fantastic lunch at the senior center yesterday well I didn't eat very much because I was talking to people the whole time which was great I think David did the same a month ago um I think Peter scheduled for next month and I believe Heidi's going to be reaching out to schedule um Katie and Mary Ellen and I think we're going to try to you know schedule these out you know sort of for the year or for like eight months so we just sort of have it there in your calendars and just make it a regular thing um it was awesome it's great to be there there's so much going on there now and um and uh everybody was very friendly so it was great um so I just wanted to thank um Heidi um for having me um and look forward to doing it again uh with that um do I have a motion to adjourn so moved is there a second second all right sorry I didn't hear it Peter Spellios aye Mary Ellen Fletcher aye Katie Phelan aye David Grishman aye I'm also uh thank you Ethan and Amy and Sean Patrick and Diane and everyone else have a good night thank you thank you

[Speaker 16] (1:54:12 - 1:54:27)
night all right good night