[Speaker 6] (4:17 - 4:21) Now he's going to virtually attend this one. [Speaker 9] (6:44 - 6:46) That's been a 123. [Speaker 6] (11:44 - 12:08) I'm not sure where Tony is, but I did email and he's in New York and he said he would be available. [Speaker 4] (12:29 - 13:13) Welcome to the May meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals. The first thing on our agenda is to approve. We have two months worth of meetings to approve. Make a motion to approve. And then the next thing we're going to skip to petition 2305, which is Lodge Road, because they did not sign their continuance yet. So I'm just going to make a motion to continue petition 2305 to our June meeting. Yes, June meeting. They did not sign a continuance. [Speaker 2] (13:14 - 13:16) So have you been in touch? [Speaker 6] (13:17 - 13:18) I have been in touch, yeah. [Speaker 2] (13:18 - 13:22) And they said they will sign a continuance? Okay, so subject to their signing. [Speaker 4] (13:22 - 13:25) Subject to their signature, for sure. Yes, thank you. [Speaker 2] (13:25 - 13:28) All right, great. I'll second that motion. [Speaker 4] (13:28 - 13:48) Okay, all in favor? Aye. Aye. All right. So that brings us to petition 2304 for the request for Humphrey Street. And we have Mr. Schutzer here. [Speaker 1] (13:54 - 14:02) What's that? Not yet. Can we wait to have a fifth member, please? [Speaker 4] (14:02 - 14:25) Yes, we can wait. So we can do that your clients know. If we have five members, you need four yes votes. If you have four members, you also need four yes votes. So that's why it's good to have a fifth member. I don't have any more. [Speaker 6] (14:27 - 14:27) No, that's okay. [Speaker 8] (14:28 - 14:34) So what about, we do have one other that's a continuance. 2225, is that one? [Speaker 6] (14:34 - 14:38) That's already, that's all set, right? Because they have, we have a signed continuance. [Speaker 2] (14:38 - 14:43) Oh, I thought there was a third, I had the agenda from the other day, and it was, which I thought. [Speaker 4] (14:44 - 14:46) 2225 has been continued. [Speaker 6] (14:46 - 14:51) Do we still do that, do we still, do we still motion to continue, Mark, even if they've signed? They've already signed. [Speaker 2] (14:53 - 14:57) Oh, 2305 is number two, oh, number. [Speaker 4] (14:58 - 15:03) No, 2225 is the. Right. They've already continued. [Speaker 2] (15:03 - 15:07) All right, so they signed their continuance. And this one here with. [Speaker 4] (15:07 - 15:08) That's what we just did. [Speaker 2] (15:09 - 15:11) That's what we just did. Okay, all right. [Speaker 9] (15:14 - 15:36) I don't know that we have one new member. [Speaker 4] (15:37 - 15:38) We have someone who's. [Speaker 8] (15:39 - 15:40) Interested? [Speaker 4] (15:40 - 15:41) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (15:41 - 15:42) Okay, that'd be great. [Speaker 4] (15:43 - 15:46) So I don't know if they've gone to. She came to the meeting last time. She came to the last meeting and she was going to go to. [Speaker 2] (15:48 - 15:52) Yeah, so I don't know. I haven't heard anything. [Speaker 9] (15:52 - 15:52) No. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (15:54 - 16:05) So I'm sorry I've been like out of pocket, if you have any questions. We're doing great. I would have, but I've been so busy, but it just like ended yesterday, like since January. [Speaker 9] (16:05 - 16:05) Oh, good. [Speaker 2] (16:05 - 16:08) You weren't crazy. I just wasn't. Good now. [Speaker 1] (16:10 - 16:12) I was trying to get all this stuff done this summer. [Speaker 6] (16:12 - 16:20) Andy is unable to sign on. Do we, do you have Tony's number for her? I don't have Tony's number. [Speaker 5] (16:20 - 16:27) Let me see. Ask a question. My wife's on, waiting to be invited in. [Speaker 9] (16:27 - 16:28) Oh, let me see. [Speaker 5] (16:30 - 16:31) You can exclude your wife. [Speaker 6] (16:33 - 16:38) Interesting. Usually her name would pop up somewhere over here, but I don't see it. [Speaker 8] (16:38 - 16:43) Do I have Tony's number or not? I thought I did. Oh, here we are. What about Brad? Is he? [Speaker 6] (16:43 - 16:46) Brad is unable to attend. He emailed me about a week ago. [Speaker 1] (16:46 - 16:48) Even virtually? [Speaker 6] (16:48 - 16:52) I think so. He said he had a last minute conflict. She's not, no. [Speaker 8] (17:19 - 17:56) I won't write to voicemail. Text him too. He just closed last week. So I won't write to voicemail. I just texted him as well. [Speaker 9] (17:56 - 17:56) Okay. [Speaker 4] (18:04 - 18:07) You can see if we give Tony a few minutes to reply. [Speaker 1] (18:08 - 18:13) Andy says, Andy's available. You can speak with him, but he can't get on my phone. [Speaker 6] (18:13 - 18:14) He's at a restaurant. [Speaker 1] (18:15 - 18:15) Oh. [Speaker 6] (18:16 - 18:18) I could hear music in the background. [Speaker 1] (18:19 - 18:23) Can he, like, excuse himself and kind of go into the men's room and talk from there? [Speaker 6] (18:24 - 18:26) Didn't seem like he was in that kind of setting. [Speaker 3] (18:30 - 18:35) Is there a minimum time frame or a maximum time frame for a delighted meeting? [Speaker 6] (18:35 - 18:40) I don't believe so, no. Do you guys know anything about that? [Speaker 4] (18:40 - 18:40) No. [Speaker 6] (18:43 - 18:49) We do have a quorum, so, you know, we could proceed. It's been the request of the petitioner that we try and allocate a fifth member. [Speaker 4] (18:51 - 19:25) We can give him a few more minutes and see. Yeah. I mean, otherwise the option is to continue with four, and if you have ‑‑ If I could get a sense of the board before we could do that. Yeah, you get a sense of the board before we vote, and then if you feel like you have two noes, well, then it doesn't matter if there's a fifth member. If you feel like you have one no, you can say, hey, let's postpone until next month when we can get a fifth member. And if you have four yeses, then obviously you don't need to postpone at all. [Speaker 1] (19:26 - 20:56) We'd have to continue anyway at that point to give the fifth member the opportunity under Mullen to at least be able to review the video, and they would be in a position to vote if necessary. All right. Can I just explain the dynamic of what's going on to the client, my clients? There are five members that vote. We need four of the five. It's a supermajority. Because there's only four voting members now, we need a unanimous vote from everyone. So that's a position that you don't put yourself in. It's a position that unfortunately we're put in because of the failure to have a fifth member here. We can begin. There is a provision which will allow a continuance for a fifth member to watch the video and then be able to come in and vote. But it's not going to occur tonight if, in fact, there is one member who is not in favor. If there are two members that aren't in favor, then obviously I'm not sure the dynamic is going to change. But at this point, I'm not asking them to take a vote. Just give me a sense of the meeting, and then we can decide what we're going to do. They don't want to prejudice us because they don't want to vote. So that's where we are. Oh, we can wait until next month. Under the circumstances, I know that time is of the essence. We had our last couple of meetings. [Speaker 9] (20:58 - 21:01) We haven't had time. [Speaker 11] (21:01 - 21:04) You've got it all under control. You've been doing a great job. [Speaker 9] (21:04 - 21:06) We'll see when we get to 40 B or something tonight. [Speaker 8] (21:07 - 21:13) I don't think we have too many spots for it. I will ask that they both be taken. [Speaker 1] (21:15 - 21:19) I'll be able to get a sense of the board before a vote is taken. [Speaker 4] (21:19 - 21:21) Yes, definitely. We're happy to do that. [Speaker 1] (21:21 - 21:25) Thank you. All right. We are here. [Speaker 3] (21:25 - 21:27) Can someone object to this? [Speaker 4] (21:28 - 21:31) Do you want me to run through what's going on? [Speaker 3] (21:31 - 21:37) I understand what's going on. So if someone views the video and then you guys talk amongst yourselves privately. [Speaker 4] (21:37 - 22:39) No, they don't do that. No, no, no. This is all an open session. No, nothing happens privately. So what would happen in this scenario is they're going to present the renovation and the project. They're going to give it time to speak. You'll be given a time to say any concerns that you have, and they'll be given a time to try to address them if they can in this meeting. And then they're going to kind of take a straw poll, meaning where do they think the members of the board are at. And if they don't think they have the full board support and they think they can get one more member, they can ask to continue to the next month's meeting. And in the meantime, that member will watch the entire video, and then they will show it. And then everybody will be here in June, and they will hold another meeting. And if there's any more, you know, sometimes you continue because we say, oh, we need more information. So they might have more information to add. It may just be coming back to take the vote depending on if they don't have any new information. [Speaker 3] (22:39 - 22:45) So the vote of five would not take place privately? [Speaker 4] (22:46 - 22:52) No, it would take place at the public meeting in June. Thank you. Okay, no problem. All right, go ahead, Mr. Schutzer. [Speaker 1] (22:52 - 25:02) Thank you. For the record, my name is Attorney Ken Schutzer with offices in Massachusetts. I'm here this evening with Andrew Injimi, who is the owner of the property at 286 Humphrey Street. Along with Mr. Injimi is John Sager of Sager Architects of Salem, who has prepared the renderings and the elevations, the photographs that have been incorporated into the package. I would initially indicate that the property at 286 Humphrey Street was formerly Zest Friend's Restaurant, and before that, it was Wynn's Restaurant. It's in a B1 zoning district. What is unique about this particular property is that it is part of the Humphrey Street Overlay District, which sort of changes the dynamics of how this property is viewed, and the criteria that is required for the relief that we're seeking. The relief we're seeking is called the Humphrey Street Special Permit, distinguishable from a regular special permit, and it's under Section 4700, which has its own set of rules and regulations. One of the components of that was a site plan design review that has taken place before the planning board on two separate occasions. One actually occurred last evening virtually, and then there was one before. You should have in your package two letters from the planning board endorsing the project. What is left for you to decide is the issue of the buffer between this property and the property owned by Mr. Grimes. Insofar as there are distinct differences between the requirements in any district in this Humphrey Street Overlay District, there's a provision within this particular section, 4764B. Oh, excuse me. It's a section. No, it's section. Hold on. I'll tell you a second. It's section. [Speaker 4] (25:05 - 25:05) 4761A. [Speaker 1] (25:06 - 30:15) No. I'll tell you which one it is in one second. I have it there with me. Hold on. It's under Section 4760D. 4760D is the exception section, which is distinguishable from the percentage section that we're normally used to dealing with. It says, in essence, that the permit granting authority, which is you, may modify all dimensional requirements. So unlike those that are restrictive under this particular section, it gives you a carte blanche authority to modify it as you see fit. Otherwise, if this property was not adjacent to a residential zoning district, there is a zero side yard requirement. What is interesting is it doesn't require a dimensional setback as much as it requires a buffer, which they identify as a planted area between the respective zoning districts, or in this case, the respective properties. So the relief that we're seeking is to reduce that buffer zone. What I'll tell you further is that there is currently, and I think the photographs so suggest, there's a fence. The fence sits on a wall. And the structure that we're proposing is for a bump out of the restaurant to accommodate a walk-in refrigerator. So there's no windows. It's just a protrusion from the building in the area which has been previously identified for the patio, where people have been sitting, at least since COVID started, and they've allowed outdoor seating, which will continue. That portion is now being diminished, so there'll be actually fewer people dining outside to accommodate the walk-in refrigerator. And that's exclusively what it is. It has no windows. It is obviously very well baffled because it's a refrigeration unit, so it's going to be insulated. And it's going to allow, from the interior of the restaurant, for the cook or anyone else in there to be able to access the fresh foods. What's different about this restaurant, and we'll get into the particulars as Mr. Sager has an opportunity to present his renderings, is that there's going to be a much stronger fresh food provision within the menu itself. It's not going to be very much frozen food at all, so they want to be able to maintain a lot of the fresh foods that they're going to be serving. It's primarily a fish restaurant with fresh fish. This is not going to be coming in as frozen fish. It'll be fresh. So they need it to accommodate, and they need the additional space. The other thing I'll just bring to your attention, and I kind of learned this attending the planning board meetings that they've had, that this is all part of the concept of the master plan of trying to develop Humphrey Street. And in the master plan, they identified as the most successful elements of the commercial area that was being developed is restaurants, small restaurants. And we know that to be true with the advent of G's and Mission, sort of Mission in the Bay as well as Mission on the Bay now, as well as the other restaurants. They've done well, whereas the other small retailers have suffered, and they, for whatever reason, haven't been successful. So from listening to the planning board and being made aware of the master plan, this falls well within and is encouraged by the master plan in terms of the development. The prior restaurants did not require as much space for their fresh food as the Dockside restaurant will, and that's the reason we're asking for the relief. And as I said, you have the authority under the provision with the exception. It's unique that because there's no such thing as an exception under the regular standards of regular special permits, but this is distinguishable as a Humphrey Street special permit, and that's the relief that we're seeking. And it's identified as such in the application itself. I'll be glad to go over any of the legal logistics, but at this point, if Mr. Sager could have the floor, he'll be able to show you where it is, its exact location, its height, the area in question, and all the elevations. Are there any other questions that you might have of either of us? Mr. Sager? Sure. Do you think we should talk about the- Sure. [Speaker 2] (30:16 - 30:28) I think we should probably address the ten-foot issue first just to- So what- Because that might change the petition and the application- Okay. Depending on that discussion. [Speaker 4] (30:28 - 30:55) My reading is that the exception, that D exception, applies only to 4761A. It does not seem to apply to D, which is the buffers. And because you do about a residential, that ten-feet buffer zone would apply. That's my reading of the bylaw. [Speaker 1] (30:55 - 31:11) I don't know if everybody else on the board agrees, but- So if I might just respond. So it's your opinion that there is no relief that this board has the authority to grant? I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. There is no relief that you believe the board has the authority to grant? [Speaker 9] (31:12 - 31:12) I do. [Speaker 2] (31:14 - 32:01) My read of it is that you have the discretionary language that this board has the authority that they may modify 4761A. And that 4764B, buffers between districts, uses mandatory language, must- The more intense district use must provide a buffer. So I think they're in conflict, and I was trying to see how you get there. So I think it's a definite issue that I don't know that we have jurisdiction under that discretionary section to modify that buffer with the residential district. [Speaker 1] (32:02 - 32:43) I think we could do it anywhere else if you weren't- So your thought would be is- Well, I would say that the word would be shall rather than must, which clearly it's not. And I wasn't reading it to suggest that the exception only related to that. It said in as much as the minimum side yard setback normally on a commercial is zero. And we're talking about plantings as opposed to that you would have the authority. I don't see where you're barred from doing it. [Speaker 4] (32:45 - 32:51) I think if you read 4764B. [Speaker 1] (32:53 - 32:55) Yeah, it talks about the screening. [Speaker 4] (32:55 - 33:09) Yep. But you need a 10-foot buffer. I mean, you're preexisting. We can't force you to plant the 10 feet of plantings. But to allow a building where there should be plantings, a 10-foot buffer, I don't think we could get. [Speaker 1] (33:10 - 33:15) So it's your opinion that you don't have the authority. [Speaker 2] (33:15 - 33:37) That's what you- Regardless, I agree you're protected by the Zoning Act. No, no, I'm just- And you clearly have the dimensions that currently exist. I think it's just that this lot being next to the buffer, next to the residential, I'm sure, Dan, I'm curious what you think. [Speaker 7] (33:39 - 34:28) Well, I agree, actually, with Heather and Mark. I would just add that I don't even think the exception is applicable because it's at zero. So 4761 is zero. So you couldn't modify zero. I think that exception applies to those other where you want to reduce the amount, the distance. But you're already at zero, so- You can't get more relief than zero. You can't get any more relief than zero. So I don't even think that applies at all. And as Mark says, it's quite clear that the language regarding the buffer is a mandatory language. I don't see how we can modify that. I think you've got to have that 10-foot buffer. [Speaker 2] (34:28 - 34:52) I'm the one who's always looking for that jurisdiction, for the authority to find some avenue for relief and not reading the bylaw so strictly. But I think in this case, I do think it's hard. I can't find a way to get there. And I generally look to find a way to get there. [Speaker 7] (34:52 - 35:14) And whatever the intent of the master plan in promoting the restaurants and whatnot, though, they're trying to-they're also cognizant of when you're on, when you're abutting a residential, somebody's house, they want to make sure that this is right on the property line. Well, you know- I think before it was 20 feet, right? [Speaker 1] (35:14 - 35:22) It is. You're correct. 20 feet without the overlay district. For the buffer. Let me say this. [Speaker 7] (35:22 - 35:30) It's a good thing this stuff's not complicated at all. You know, the Humphrey Street overlay district. I read the whole thing, and it's as clear as can be, huh? [Speaker 1] (35:30 - 35:33) Well, you know, it's- It's what the rest of our- It apparently wasn't. [Speaker 7] (35:34 - 35:37) Wow. My head was spinning. [Speaker 1] (35:38 - 35:57) Just sort of getting back. The bump out itself, ironically, is probably more of a benefit than it is a detriment because it, in fact, creates additional screening from Humphrey Street. It reduces the area where the patio is going to be. [Speaker 7] (35:58 - 36:01) I think you're right. I think those are good points, right? I think you're correct. [Speaker 4] (36:01 - 36:07) I don't know if a refrigeration is loud. I mean, I don't know how much noise that makes as far as the butter. [Speaker 1] (36:07 - 37:20) It's actually going to make very little noise because of the technology that's involved with these now. I truly believe it. You can prove me wrong, but it may be a non-issue. But the refrigeration unit itself, like most refrigerators today, are silent. You're not even sure they're on until you put your hand in there to find out if they're cold. But be that as it may, there are no windows. It's going to take some of the space. It's going to actually act as a buffer because there will be no passage going through there anymore. It's going to actually provide a benefit. And at the same time, it's going to make the restaurant be able to serve fresh food. I mean, there was a break point when we decided to do this. I wasn't involved in the acquisition to be able to provide the service with the fresh food. But if it's your position that you don't possess that authority, I read it slightly differently. I didn't think it was exclusive to that section. I thought it was broader than that, and I thought it took into consideration a lesser use, which is a buffer, than a dimensional, which is much more specific. [Speaker 2] (37:23 - 37:55) The way I could see you getting there isn't through our board. I would see if you were able to negotiate with the abutter, buy a strip of their land, give them an easement back, or you have an exclusive easement or somewhere so that you can make that 10 feet, that they still have the use and you can satisfy them with what's going to be done in that area to make a great buffer. Maybe that's a solution, but that's not for our board to decide. [Speaker 1] (37:56 - 38:32) Well, I definitely think that it's improving the design in keeping with 4710, and it was always my opinion, whatever it's worth, that the buffer is a lesser concern than the dimensional aspect for which the board has the authority to grant the exception. I never read it to imply or suggest that you are hamstrung in terms of granting any type of relief. [Speaker 4] (38:34 - 38:53) I think it was thoughtful and deliberate when they wrote the Humphrey overlay district because they knew they were disrupting both commercial and residential areas, and so to kind of protect the residential, this was kind of the offering, they took away the 20 foot to give kind of a compromise. [Speaker 1] (38:56 - 39:14) If a restaurant is going to go in there anyway, and there has been a restaurant, the addition of this bump out solely for the purpose of accommodating some refrigeration space isn't going to change the dynamic between the respective properties. It doesn't necessarily function in any way that's going to improve. [Speaker 2] (39:14 - 39:22) It's putting structure and use in that buffer zone. There's no way around that. [Speaker 1] (39:22 - 39:40) Oh, no, there's no question you're correct, but the structure in the buffer zone in no way, unless it's explained to me, reduces the impact because the structure is more of a buffer than having the plants. There's a fence. [Speaker 2] (39:40 - 39:43) Yeah, but if we let that happen here, then everyone... [Speaker 1] (39:43 - 39:44) I'm not sure it's everyone. [Speaker 2] (39:44 - 39:45) It's a slippery slope. [Speaker 1] (39:46 - 39:49) It's a unique example, and I'm not asking you to go outside your comfort zone. [Speaker 2] (39:49 - 40:00) I think it's... So is there any way to incorporate the refrigeration elsewhere on the lot? I mean, those spaces, I've parked in them so many times, they aren't tough to... [Speaker 1] (40:00 - 40:01) So you're the one who's parking there. [Speaker 2] (40:01 - 40:02) What's that? [Speaker 1] (40:02 - 40:04) I was saying, so you're the one parking in there. [Speaker 2] (40:04 - 40:21) Well, I was there a lot when it was Lenz. I was there all the time, and those spaces are a little bit tight. I don't know if you could incorporate the refrigeration onto the other side. We could give relief for parking to have less parking. [Speaker 1] (40:21 - 41:38) I suspect that there can be some type of reorienting of anything, but I think in the long run you want the spaces for parking so there's fewer cars on the street, and it was an area that had historically just been sitting there as an alleyway that's now being able to be utilized. It'll be taken away, which was the original concern when I appeared for WINS years ago asking that we use that alley for eating, and at that point it had never been tried before and it was frowned upon. It never occurred. It required COVID to allow us to expand our ability to see beyond what we've done in the past. The tables were there. There were people eating there. I suspect there was some noise that was created from those people being there. Some of that would be eliminated by putting in the structure, which is solely for the purpose of allowing an interior access refrigeration unit. That all being said, and maybe that's a good line, if you felt that you had the authority to grant the requested relief, which was the thrust of my argument, but if you're telling me unequivocally that you don't believe you have that authority, I'm not going to challenge the board on that. [Speaker 2] (41:38 - 41:47) I think that's what we're dealing with, that I don't see a path there. I really like the project. [Speaker 4] (41:48 - 41:49) That's a great location. [Speaker 2] (41:49 - 41:52) It's great. They've done a nice job with the design, all of that. [Speaker 1] (41:54 - 42:10) I'll tell you, the planning board sure loved it, and ironically I think the planning board thought that it was within their jurisdiction to grant the relief. They weren't sure, and then it became apparent that they wanted CBA to. [Speaker 2] (42:10 - 42:23) If you modified it to remove the relief you need for this refrigeration and the buffer, do you need our relief at that point? No. [Speaker 1] (42:24 - 42:24) Absolutely not. [Speaker 2] (42:26 - 42:27) You have everything you need then from the planning board? [Speaker 1] (42:27 - 42:47) Everything that we need has already been obtained. We're here solely on the very limited buffer zone for the expanded refrigeration in the interior. That's it. It is de minimis, but at this point it becomes problematic if you don't believe you have the authority. [Speaker 2] (42:48 - 43:02) Right, but if you were to move the refrigeration elsewhere on the property, like say on the opposite side, you have to redesign it and you lose parking, then you have to come back here? No. You could do that with the planning board? Yeah. [Speaker 1] (43:03 - 43:16) I don't think we'd have to come back because there wouldn't be a buffer at that point, and the other thing is that's on the commercial side. It's adjoining a commercial building, and therefore it could be zeroed theoretically. Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (43:19 - 43:31) I mean the change is, yeah, then it's not off your kitchen anymore. Is there a basement in there? Is there someplace else you could put it in the structure? [Speaker 1] (43:32 - 44:13) It's something that just doesn't really work well, that's for sure, because to bring up the food through these decrepit stairs is not something that would make a lot of sense. This made the most sense. It's the most economic way, which we thought would be the least obtrusive way. We thought because of its placement and the displacement of the tables, that it would be something that would be mutually agreeable. You never can anticipate the unanticipated, and that's what just occurred. But if you'll give me a moment, just a brief moment, so I can speak with my client. Thank you. [Speaker 9] (44:15 - 44:16) Can we go up for a second? [Speaker 8] (44:19 - 44:31) I think that's my thought, because obviously they're not happy with it. Right. But if they worked up some sort of an exclusive use area, and it was just around there to give them the distance. [Speaker 4] (44:31 - 44:36) When they come back, we'll open it up to public comment, yeah. [Speaker 10] (44:36 - 44:38) Right. That would be the way to do it. [Speaker 8] (44:39 - 44:42) Yeah, that's a good creative solution. Thanks. [Speaker 10] (44:46 - 44:54) Maybe you can make it a whole thing. Yeah, right here. I think she's in the back. [Speaker 2] (44:58 - 45:01) Before, I remember they were when we did one. [Speaker 9] (45:02 - 45:03) It's on camera right now. [Speaker 11] (45:04 - 45:04) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (45:05 - 45:05) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (45:06 - 45:07) I'm sorry. [Speaker 11] (45:08 - 45:09) They're right on it. [Speaker 2] (45:10 - 45:15) Let's get that frontage there, where this lock cuts right in. Oh, no, it doesn't. That's just a measurement. [Speaker 11] (45:16 - 45:25) I thought it was. This way. I was never at that place when it was its previous. When? Was it when when? We had never made it to Zest Friends. [Speaker 7] (45:25 - 45:26) I never made it there either. [Speaker 11] (45:26 - 45:27) I never made it there either. [Speaker 10] (45:27 - 45:29) How long was it there? [Speaker 11] (45:29 - 45:30) It was over a year, but it was COVID. [Speaker 10] (45:31 - 45:31) Oh, yeah. [Speaker 2] (45:32 - 45:53) We had a bad time. My family loved it. Diane's a vegan. And my oldest, Isabella, is vegan. So they loved it because there was lots of stuff in the menu they could have there. [Speaker 8] (45:56 - 46:00) They met everybody's dietary requirements at the house. [Speaker 2] (46:07 - 46:21) See what I'm saying? If they ever worked out to get an easement, then they'd have a workout and have a nice bumper. Even up front here, because if you have a food window, they'd look to do something. [Speaker 4] (46:23 - 46:24) Negotiate with that neighbor. [Speaker 6] (46:27 - 46:49) No, that was Steve, the building commissioner. They put it over here. And Head Producer is our audiovisual team that's broadcasting this whole thing. In any case, the recording always goes up, too, on our Cablecast website. [Speaker 2] (46:52 - 46:54) Because they think they need an easement. [Speaker 6] (46:55 - 47:01) Yeah, exactly. Binge-watching the old recordings. I think so, but what will happen is when it gets... [Speaker 2] (47:25 - 47:41) Looking to do it. Two clients of mine. One of them is here. He worked on the... My partner Brian's client. Mario's in college. I see him coming through here at all. So Mario's always wheeling and dealing with the neighbor for an easement. [Speaker 6] (47:41 - 47:47) That was held last night. It's not a public hearing sign. It's just a public meeting. [Speaker 2] (47:48 - 47:49) It's just a design review. [Speaker 6] (47:49 - 47:53) So there's two different classes. [Speaker 2] (47:53 - 47:57) It's crazy up here. I don't know who surveyed it. [Speaker 6] (47:57 - 47:58) It was done last night before the planning board did. [Speaker 2] (47:58 - 48:02) But the planning board really has limited jurisdiction to what they can approve for signs. [Speaker 6] (48:02 - 48:07) It's really just about design elements. I can show you the plans right here. [Speaker 7] (48:08 - 48:10) Did you see the sign plan? [Speaker 6] (48:13 - 48:15) They hadn't been finished at the last meeting. [Speaker 7] (48:15 - 48:16) Yeah, that's what I'm saying. [Speaker 10] (48:18 - 48:29) What about it specifically? Some of the stairs are front stairs. It's wacky. It is. So when the board reconvenes, we can talk about that. [Speaker 6] (48:30 - 48:30) Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 10] (48:31 - 48:32) Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 6] (48:33 - 48:34) Yeah. Yeah. [Speaker 10] (48:36 - 48:39) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [Speaker 9] (48:40 - 48:40) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (48:42 - 48:43) Yeah. Yeah. [Speaker 9] (48:45 - 48:46) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (48:46 - 48:52) I'll get it from you when we come back in. Yeah, no, you definitely get a chance to say everything you wanna say. [Speaker 2] (48:53 - 49:12) Yeah, we can't do that yet. So we just signed it all up this week. And the work's gonna get done I think starting next week, I'm believe, dealing with the proceeding? My partner Brian was dealing with it. [Speaker 9] (49:12 - 49:17) I don't know the engineer in it. Yeah, the engineer was involved. [Speaker 2] (49:18 - 49:27) And the engineer for the developer was the same group that did the 40 B around the corner solution. [Speaker 9] (49:32 - 49:34) So it all worked out. [Speaker 8] (49:35 - 49:39) Yeah, it was collaborative, was good. [Speaker 6] (49:39 - 49:40) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (49:44 - 49:48) Well, the solicitor did most of that kind of easement stuff. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (49:52 - 50:01) Right, then I had another one right across the street. [Speaker 1] (50:09 - 50:23) I figure, in a way, it's going to make it less of an issue for you people. OK. It may require improvement, unless they would just put it over. It's already balanced out another way. It won't require any relief from this point. [Speaker 4] (50:23 - 50:26) OK, we're going to give a chance for a public comment for the abutters to speak. [Speaker 1] (50:26 - 50:30) Oh, sure, sure, sure. Can we ask two more questions after the public comment? [Speaker 4] (50:30 - 50:30) Oh, sure. [Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:32) Yeah, yeah, I would think so. [Speaker 4] (50:32 - 50:35) All right, so who would like to go first? And just say your name and address. [Speaker 5] (50:35 - 50:43) So Dan Grimes. I actually live at Farragut Road, 22, but I do own 292 up the street. And always looking to see. [Speaker 4] (50:44 - 50:47) And 292 is the one that's right next door, that abuts this. [Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:49) This is the famous fence. He's on the other side. [Speaker 5] (50:50 - 52:11) Yeah, exactly. And I'm all for restaurants, and I'm very happy you guys bought that and want to come in. But we do have a couple concerns. So one of the concerns, and I just don't know if this board has jurisdiction on these concerns, but one concern is the driveway. So with regards to the takeout, and I don't know, we talked a little bit about this last month. So one of the concerns is that what happens is that there's a lot of parking on Humphrey Street, and sometimes the driveway on the restaurant side is full. So what they do is they park in my driveway. They go in to get their food, and we can't get in. Several times I've had to call the cops because I'm sitting on Humphrey Street waiting to get in. I don't know how we address that or how we change that, but we have elderly parents down there that need care around the clock. So I don't know what we can do with that. And my other concern is with the takeout window is the hours of operation. When we were talking on the, I think it was the planning board last month, they have food service till 1 o'clock in the morning. So I know he, Andrew, right? Andrew had said that they were going to probably shut it down around 9 o'clock or something like that, but there's no, I don't think there's a hour set in stone. [Speaker 6] (52:12 - 52:14) Can I just give you this just so we can hear you one more time? [Speaker 8] (52:14 - 52:17) We don't have jurisdiction over that, though, right? Isn't that all planning board? [Speaker 1] (52:17 - 52:20) It's all within the jurisdiction of the planning board. Yeah. [Speaker 4] (52:20 - 52:27) So we don't have jurisdiction over that. And does our zoning bylaw address takeout windows at all in any way? We were just. [Speaker 6] (52:27 - 52:38) It addresses curbside pickup. Curbside pickup is listed as a use in the table of uses, but then we don't actually go to define curbside pickup in our definitions. So, you know, can curbs, is curbside pickup. [Speaker 4] (52:38 - 52:42) Right, it's not a drive-thru, you know, bringing a car through. Yeah, yeah, it's not a drive-thru. We have a lot of, you know. [Speaker 6] (52:44 - 53:08) Well, and then drive-thrus are a separate use as well. Right. And then, but it's, you know, it's curbside pickup specifically where you place an online order, a phone order, and then you go and you park in one of those designated 15 minute spots to go and grab your food and then go back. Is that curbside pickup? You know, how does that differentiate from a takeout window? Or how does that differ from a takeout window? But takeout windows specifically are not listed as a use in the table of uses. [Speaker 4] (53:08 - 53:20) So it's not addressed, so we don't, which doesn't give us jurisdiction over that. The first concern about the driveway, I don't know if we could put some signage that could be helpful. [Speaker 2] (53:20 - 53:24) That would be the DPW has jurisdiction over the street to put signage. [Speaker 4] (53:24 - 53:27) Or just, but could you do signage that was just kind of personal signage? [Speaker 1] (53:27 - 53:49) I would say this, we will do what is ever necessary to ensure that our patrons do not park in front. And we'll, you know, if it happens, you'll let us know. You know, we can't always curb bad behavior, but we're working with you. We don't want to have an issue with a neighbor. It's just not, it's not in our best interest either. [Speaker 5] (53:49 - 53:56) All right, just, you know, it's only good faith at this point. We don't want to have an issue either. We want to be very good neighbors. You know, because I want to go into his restaurant. [Speaker 9] (53:57 - 53:58) And enjoy it, yeah, definitely. [Speaker 1] (53:58 - 54:01) He wants to make sure that he still lives after he goes in and takes the cake. [Speaker 5] (54:03 - 54:07) It's a concern, and that's why I wanted to speak here. [Speaker 4] (54:07 - 54:12) So that's something you could address with the DPW about signage, but also, I don't know if there's a, if there. [Speaker 1] (54:12 - 54:16) You know, so call the police. If you, if someone's parked illegally in front of your house. [Speaker 4] (54:16 - 54:19) Yeah, but he has gone through that with other, so I, you get his. [Speaker 5] (54:19 - 54:26) It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Okay, I don't know, I haven't. No, so I did call them once, and they said, I'm sorry, he's chasing somebody else. We can't help you. [Speaker 3] (54:27 - 54:30) Yeah, yeah. He doesn't even feel that. [Speaker 2] (54:31 - 54:35) My suggestion earlier, that was not a zoning suggestion about lands. [Speaker 5] (54:35 - 54:58) I just want to say one more thing, and it's not Andrew, it's not you, or the company. It's because I know he wants to work with us, which is great, I'm very happy about that. That's all I want to know about. But it's the next person. If we set precedents here, it's the next person down the road that I'm not friendly with, I can't talk to, and they abuse the situation. [Speaker 2] (54:59 - 55:15) What about the, is all the relief done with the ABCC and the select board? Yep, they've approved the liquor license. Right, but isn't their jurisdicts show if there's like an issue with liquor license, the select board through the ABC retains jurisdiction. [Speaker 1] (55:16 - 55:18) Oh yeah, they still have authority, absolutely. Right, so when they're. [Speaker 2] (55:18 - 55:27) But that's already been approved, the. Right, right, my point is there's a remedy if there's violations of their license. [Speaker 5] (55:27 - 55:37) I'm sure there won't be, but again, there's that person who, not the restaurant, but the person who drives up and says, I'm gonna park right here and run it for five minutes. [Speaker 9] (55:38 - 55:38) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (55:38 - 55:41) Yeah, that, what do we do about that? That's my question. [Speaker 4] (55:42 - 55:43) Yeah, no, that's a fair question. [Speaker 5] (55:43 - 55:43) DPW. [Speaker 2] (55:44 - 56:03) Gino would be the guy to call. For a specific signage. Ask him about signage, and look, you know, they'll locate a sign there if necessary. The point, I mean, it should be obvious to a driver that there's no parking in front of someone's driveway. You would think so. You would think. [Speaker 4] (56:04 - 56:05) No, it's someone who just doesn't care. [Speaker 2] (56:05 - 56:07) But you know. You can't control bad behavior. [Speaker 5] (56:07 - 56:09) Maybe signage would be good or something that we could do. [Speaker 2] (56:09 - 56:22) Well, something, and then maybe the petitioner, they might be able to put something, a little sign right there that's portable that just says, please don't park in front of our, don't block our neighbor's driveway, or. [Speaker 4] (56:22 - 56:23) Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 2] (56:23 - 56:33) Something that's easy to put up and just keep there, and just to make sure people get in the habit of not parking in those ones with bad behavior. [Speaker 5] (56:33 - 56:35) Right, okay, thank you. [Speaker 3] (56:36 - 1:02:17) Yes, my name is Moira Farrell. I live on 16 Blaney Circle. I live behind the restaurant. That's lot 202 there. And firstly, I'd like to say, I attended the planning board meeting, and my response to that meeting was that they approved the restaurant, but did not approve the bump out, and there was hesitation about the takeout window. My hesitation about the takeout window is late at night. There's a lot of late at night activity over the past 10 years that happens. Usually inebriated people. So that is one reason why I object to that window. The second reason is, as you can, as we see walking down the sidewalks at G's, right down at Popo's, and when Mission on the Bay was open, those sidewalks come July, August, are all sticky. No one washes down that sidewalk, or picks up the food that's left there. Since the restaurant, and I know that Ken, and I attended those meetings when the Vietnamese restaurant opened, a lot of promises were made and were not kept. Most specifically, the garbage. And I've had, first time I've had rats in my yard. I wake up almost on a daily basis, picking up sushi, scones, muffins. And it's just not from that building, but it's also from G's. I hear from G's, and not since the restaurant, Zest Friends has left, a constant hum. It's like you have, is it tinnitus? Tinnitus, excuse me, stutter. It's like having tinnitus, and you hear it the first, sometime around, well, when Zest Friends, you know, six in the morning, and you hear it till midnight. It's like this guy right here. I don't know if you can hear that. And when Zest Friends is on, their air conditioner and their ovens are at a roar. And I am probably less than, you know, 10 feet from that oven, and from that, which, you know, it just really stinks. That impact on that neighborhood and the noise that is generated from the parking lots and the HVAC system is really, I have two sound machines going on. I can't open my windows. The wind comes in from the southwest, which is where, you know, in the summertime, northeast of Cayman was opposite. I wouldn't get the smell of fish cooking, burnt grease oil. And the thought of adding with this bump up, or it's a refrigerator system with another refrigerator system. I don't buy the silence of an electric, and I don't buy it. I've heard many promises from all sorts of representatives, from clients, from the Concordia to the ship's watch, you know, things that just don't happen, that people are promised here, and it doesn't happen. I'm asking the zoning board to honor the zoning laws. So many projects on that street, from Dr. Plotka's, how did that dormer, I didn't go to the meeting because it was going to be a dormer, and there's a ranch house on top of a two-story building. How did they tear down, you know, we fought, we fought to save Captain Jack's or put something more appropriate, and they're all promises of view quarters here, view quarters there, you'll be able to see it through the lobby. No, you can't see the ocean from there at all. The benches that were supposed to be in front of the other three-unit building, where did they go? They were supposed to be for people waiting for the bus, or for people walking by, and that was part of the settlement there. They're gone. And you know what? People in that condo park in front of those parking spaces because they don't want all the delivery trucks blocking their driveway. And those delivery trucks are extremely noisy with their refrigerator trucks. They are a nuisance. And I will conclude by saying noise pollution is becoming increasingly problematic along with light pollution as a health risk. And I'm here to attest to that. I strongly object to this bump-out. It's just not a good fit. And they're erroneous when talking about that tables were used for zest friends. I only saw the tables on that alleyway just a few months before they sold. That was in preparation for selling. Thank you. Thank you. [Speaker 2] (1:02:18 - 1:03:34) Could I just say one thing? Yeah. If there are items that were promised, I can tell you, so I wrote the decision, I believe, on Concordia. I was named as a party in the litigation over years with Dr. Plotka. And been on this board for a long time, much like Dan. And if there are items that were promised, they made it into decisions that this board wrote. And if they're not delivered, we don't have the authority to enforce, but our building inspector does. So the decisions are all online. They're also available through our planning department. You can read it. If there's a promise that, it's more than a promise. It's a requirement of the relief that was granted. If it's not there, and it was in the decision, there's relief, because there's a violation of that decision. So we don't have jurisdiction to do the enforcement, but we have jurisdiction to make sure it's in our decision. And that's what we've done very meticulously over- Why is there a fireplace straddling two property lines? [Speaker 3] (1:03:35 - 1:03:40) Whose jurisdiction does that- I'm not sure what property you're talking about. Plotka's. [Speaker 2] (1:03:42 - 1:04:06) So with Dr. Plotka, there was litigation for years over various issues with the town and what happened with the structure. So simply because a landowner has done something with a structure, it doesn't mean it was relief that was granted by the ZBA. You have to go back and look at the history. [Speaker 3] (1:04:06 - 1:04:08) Who enforces the zoning laws? [Speaker 2] (1:04:08 - 1:04:10) The building inspector does for the town. [Speaker 3] (1:04:11 - 1:04:15) Why is that structure still- Usually it needs to be initiated. [Speaker 2] (1:04:15 - 1:04:54) So you bring a request for enforcement as a citizen, or you bring a request that the building inspector make a determination on your request that he enforce the zoning law. And then the building inspector makes a decision whether or not there's a violation. And then if there is, we'll issue a cease and desist letter or look for enforcement. But typically, the building inspector isn't driving around reading every decision and saying, is this person in compliance? Usually it's because there's so much on his plate, it takes the- My point that, excuse me. [Speaker 3] (1:04:54 - 1:05:00) My point that I'm trying to make, a lot of people say things that they're gonna deliver and it doesn't happen. [Speaker 2] (1:05:01 - 1:05:03) And that's why it's important for us to get it in our decision. [Speaker 3] (1:05:03 - 1:05:10) And that's why it's important that zoning laws are enforced. Buffer laws are enforced. [Speaker 2] (1:05:11 - 1:05:13) Yep, and I think that's what you heard from this board tonight. [Speaker 3] (1:05:13 - 1:05:18) Yes, and I appreciate that. And I'd like to hear about noise buffers. [Speaker 2] (1:05:18 - 1:05:54) Well, I remember when you talked about the noise and you were concerned about it with the lens and I remember the representations that were made about the sound. And I don't know if I wrote that decision, but I know I was involved in that. And there are specifics that were put in there about the decibel level and the equipment that needed to be on there. So we did everything we could. If it was above that, and I feel for you because I have tinnitus. So I know what it's like to hear the noise. And there's the ability to enforce. You just need to take a look at that decision. [Speaker 4] (1:05:54 - 1:05:58) And would that decision ride with the property for this as well? [Speaker 2] (1:05:58 - 1:07:06) If this is- That's the current- So we issued that decision and then we had Zest Friends come after that. So the equipment was still there. The equipment is grandfathered. If the equipment is not in compliance with the relief that was afforded for that use, it's in violation. So if it still wasn't- Even when they open, if the decibel is louder than- Well, I would say now there's new zoning relief that's granted by the planning board. I don't know if the planning board referenced the earlier decibel levels or things like that in their decision. But that's where you'd want the teeth is in the written decision as to if they have, so there's a live question as to whether or not they codify or change the relief that was, or the conditions that were required about equipment that's on the building. So it's a question of how the decision's written and how the vote is granted. [Speaker 4] (1:07:09 - 1:07:11) So are you ready to continue? Is that what you'd like to do? [Speaker 1] (1:07:12 - 1:07:12) I'm sorry. [Speaker 4] (1:07:13 - 1:07:15) Would you like to continue to next month? [Speaker 2] (1:07:15 - 1:07:21) I'll let you know exactly what we're- Well, we'll continue for tonight. And then if you don't want to go forward, you'll let us know. [Speaker 3] (1:07:22 - 1:07:22) Yeah, then you can withdraw. [Speaker 2] (1:07:22 - 1:07:24) Yeah, and you'll allow us to withdraw. [Speaker 3] (1:07:24 - 1:07:56) What's the next- I do have one more comment, if I may. So there are a lot of restaurants in Portland, Boston, Salem, that they have access to the refrigeration in the cellar. They have a flush, they have an elevator, you drop the cakes there. You know, it may be more expensive, but it would certainly work better in the area. [Speaker 4] (1:07:57 - 1:08:00) Yeah, it seems like it's a doable option that they might work on. [Speaker 1] (1:08:00 - 1:09:39) It's ironic, and I know I'm interrupting, and I shouldn't. The irony is, is if a restaurant goes in there, the issues that you have just addressed to this board are not addressed. I mean, you have issues that have nothing to do with this walk-in refrigeration. You have a myriad of other issues. So if a restaurant goes in there, you're still gonna be contending with those problems because of your proximity to a business, and that's not gonna change. We're gonna do whatever we can, regardless of what this board has done or the decisions, we're gonna try to accommodate you. The one thing that you'll find, and this was addressed earlier, which you don't know who the successor will be. I have the word, and from a stranger to me, I know he went and spoke with you, we're gonna do whatever we can. We purchased the property, we're gonna do the best we can with it. But the concerns that you have raised are not being addressed by this board because it's outside. The only question that we had for them was the allowance of a refrigeration unit on the side that is the least obtrusive and in the back. And the board feels that it cannot grant that relief, and I understand that. Whether I agree or not isn't even important. But what should be important to you is any of that, what this board has decided to do, it's not gonna have any effect on you. One way or the other. Whether it goes in there or it doesn't, your concerns are restaurant concerns, and business concerns, and concerns of other restaurants on Humphrey Street, and a myriad of other things which are beyond our control, and beyond the control of this board. But we'll do what we can. I just wanna leave you with that thought. [Speaker 4] (1:09:39 - 1:09:47) I mean, also the concern of the noise of an exterior refrigerator is relevant to this. [Speaker 1] (1:09:47 - 1:10:28) What I was advised, I know we're going well beyond the scope of this hearing, what I was advised is that whatever sound is gonna be so de minimis, you won't be able to hear it. Now, if there were no sounds in the world, and you were in the middle of a desert, and that was the only appliance running, you might. But there's so much other ambient noise on that street that you'll not be able to hear this. You won't be able to hear it. But my representation will have no direct impact, because that's not the issue. The issue is the buffer. And this board's belief is that you don't have the authority to grant it, and that's what we'll do. What's the next date? [Speaker 4] (1:10:28 - 1:10:31) Unless I can come up with something. So, yeah, the next date is June. [Speaker 7] (1:10:31 - 1:10:34) Put a wrap on this. To find out that you do have the authority to grant it. [Speaker 4] (1:10:34 - 1:10:34) I know. [Speaker 6] (1:10:35 - 1:10:37) June 13th. June 13th. [Speaker 4] (1:10:37 - 1:10:40) Okay, so I'm gonna make a motion to continue this to our June 13th. [Speaker 1] (1:10:40 - 1:10:43) Do you need me to sign another list then? [Speaker 4] (1:10:43 - 1:10:43) Yes. [Speaker 6] (1:10:43 - 1:10:44) I'll email you one tomorrow. [Speaker 4] (1:10:44 - 1:10:54) What's the next date? June 13th. June 13th. Do you second? All in favor? Aye. All right. We will see you then, or not, depending on. [Speaker 1] (1:10:54 - 1:11:01) We'll see you then on the other matter, or not. Because they keep on not getting what they're supposed to get in it, so. [Speaker 9] (1:11:03 - 1:11:04) I'll text you. Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:11:05 - 1:11:06) I don't want to. [Speaker 9] (1:11:06 - 1:11:09) I was gonna call you. He would've done it right. [Speaker 1] (1:11:09 - 1:11:11) You would've done a wonderful job. [Speaker 9] (1:11:11 - 1:11:16) I'm sure he would've. And the reds are clear and everything. Yeah, text me. But I'm, I'll be, I'll be nice to you too. [Speaker 3] (1:11:16 - 1:11:17) Sure. [Speaker 9] (1:11:17 - 1:11:19) Give us room for questions. Sometime I want to change, right? [Speaker 2] (1:11:19 - 1:11:20) When do you guys plan to be open? [Speaker 3] (1:11:21 - 1:11:28) It's a pipe dream at this point. Tomorrow. It won't be in the near future, but. I'm sorry. It is rotting. [Speaker 5] (1:11:28 - 1:11:34) That's okay. Maybe we don't see that anymore. Yeah. I'm trying to do a little bit more up in the yard. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:11:34 - 1:11:37) Thank you. Take care. Oh yeah, we go together. [Speaker 4] (1:11:37 - 1:11:38) I gotta move to adjourn. [Speaker 3] (1:11:38 - 1:11:39) I'm sorry about that. All right. [Speaker 5] (1:11:41 - 1:11:45) No, no, no. I only said because one of our old neighbors used to put plants there. [Speaker 3] (1:11:45 - 1:11:45) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:11:45 - 1:11:48) And it was really nice. But I just want to get rid of it. I don't know. [Speaker 9] (1:11:49 - 1:11:49) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:11:49 - 1:11:51) There's been one between us and her. [Speaker 8] (1:11:51 - 1:11:53) So you can't. There's no physical way I can get rid of it. [Speaker 5] (1:11:54 - 1:11:59) So, if I see something. Everyone's talking about it. Okay. I'm not determined. I'm gonna have to kind of call. [Speaker 9] (1:11:59 - 1:12:01) This is one way. There's nothing you can do. [Speaker 5] (1:12:01 - 1:12:03) I'm the one that's always trying to follow you. [Speaker 9] (1:12:03 - 1:12:06) Yeah. How's the makeup? It's good. I know. Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:12:07 - 1:12:08) Okay, thank you. [Speaker 2] (1:12:08 - 1:12:14) Good to see you. Great to see you. I just wanted to hear what you want for the strip interpretation. There's no wiggle room I could have in there. No, there's no wiggle room. [Speaker 8] (1:12:15 - 1:12:22) Yeah. Good, yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I was there. That's Santorini. [Speaker 4] (1:12:22 - 1:12:25) Oh, okay. So, June 13th, they'll be back.