[Speaker 1] (0:01 - 0:01)
Nick?

[Speaker 2] (1:02 - 1:03)
Hello?

[Speaker 3] (1:03 - 1:04)
Okay, we good to go?

[Speaker 4] (1:04 - 1:05)
We are good to go. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:05 - 1:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:07 - 1:08)
Okay, perfect.

[Speaker 3] (1:08 - 1:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:09 - 1:10)
Hold on one second, okay?

[Speaker 3] (1:11 - 1:28)
Alright, um first I'd like to welcome everybody to the uh 27th 2025 Select Board Meeting and before we start I just want to say thank you to Ethan Randstadler, Nate Weinschein and Nathan Kent for bringing us our meeting tonight.

[Speaker 3] (1:28 - 1:34)
Um, and also want to thank, we have special kids here that are going to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Speaker 3] (1:35 - 1:38)
And so if everybody please join us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Speaker 3] (1:41 - 1:42)
Okay, are we ready?

[Speaker 6] (1:44 - 1:47)
I pledge allegiance to the flag

[Speaker 3] (2:35 - 2:58)
could have a fifteen minute delay. So um might even be twenty minutes, but I think just fifteen. So what we are gonna do is we're just gonna skip the swearing in until she gets here. We're go we'll go to public comment and then um we'll follow part of the agenda. And as soon as she gets here we'll stop the agenda and break into the swearing in, okay? Alright, so do we have anybody here for public comment?

[Speaker 3] (3:00 - 3:00)
Rachel?

[Speaker 3] (3:02 - 3:03)
Mikey's mom.

[Speaker 4] (3:03 - 3:08)
Mikey's mom is better known as Rachel Tardash,

[Speaker 4] (3:08 - 3:09)
71 Middlesex Ave.

[Speaker 4] (3:10 - 3:11)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (3:11 - 3:16)
I'm here to speak to you tonight about school buses. For the first year of the new elementary school,

[Speaker 4] (3:16 - 3:30)
Swampscott offers school buses for families living 1.6 miles or more from the new elementary school. I'm grateful to say that my children have taken that bus every single day with the exception of one timing mishap.

[Speaker 4] (3:31 - 3:42)
uh they were there a time for breakfast which as you all know is free for all children. Last week families who are less than two miles from FPS were notified that we will not receive bus service for next year.

[Speaker 4] (3:42 - 3:57)
I'm here to ask for your help in increasing bus availability for elementary school next year instead of decreasing it. Families impacted by this change include a large number of families surrounding the Clark School potentially going back as far as Essex Street and Stetson.

[Speaker 4] (3:57 - 3:58)
Many of these families,

[Speaker 4] (3:58 - 3:59)
including my own,

[Speaker 4] (3:59 - 4:00)
have two working parents,

[Speaker 4] (4:01 - 4:03)
which is what allows us to continue to live here.

[Speaker 4] (4:04 - 4:04)
Without the bus,

[Speaker 4] (4:05 - 4:07)
our children would have to cross Paradise Road,

[Speaker 4] (4:07 - 4:11)
a road where cars don't stop for red lights or even other cars.

[Speaker 4] (4:12 - 4:21)
2020 to 2024 data from mass DOT indicates that accidents on Paradise Road account for one third of the accidents in Swampscott.

[Speaker 4] (4:21 - 4:26)
This averages nearly one accident per week, as many of those are major accidents,

[Speaker 4] (4:26 - 4:27)
including a recent rollover.

[Speaker 4] (4:28 - 4:29)
Without the bus,

[Speaker 4] (4:29 - 4:32)
more children will either need to walk or be driven to school,

[Speaker 4] (4:32 - 4:37)
which is a potentially huge increase in traffic to the area surrounding the elementary school.

[Speaker 4] (4:37 - 4:38)
Without

[Speaker 7] (4:38 - 4:38)
Should

[Speaker 4] (4:38 - 4:38)
the bus,

[Speaker 7] (4:38 - 4:44)
you be a happy bunny and can't think it is you who the rebels push for?

[Speaker 4] (5:06 - 5:07)
and to be able to afford to live here.

[Speaker 4] (5:08 - 5:12)
Providing safe transportation to and from school will help to make this possible.

[Speaker 4] (5:13 - 5:15)
I had a discouraging conversation with Mr.

[Speaker 4] (5:15 - 5:15)
Pastor on Monday.

[Speaker 4] (5:16 - 5:18)
He made it very clear that in the school committee's opinion,

[Speaker 4] (5:18 - 5:21)
the bus was a nice to have and not a need.

[Speaker 4] (5:21 - 5:26)
He also made it clear that even if the select board was able to allocate more money to the school department,

[Speaker 4] (5:27 - 5:28)
it would not be used for a bus.

[Speaker 4] (5:29 - 5:36)
He stated that he does not know of any plans there are for ensuring safe crossing across Paradise Road,

[Speaker 4] (5:36 - 5:38)
and that was an issue for the police department.

[Speaker 4] (5:38 - 5:41)
I've been in contact with a number of families about this.

[Speaker 4] (5:41 - 5:42)
One of them shared,

[Speaker 4] (5:42 - 5:43)
and this is a quote,

[Speaker 4] (5:44 - 5:48)
there are so many parents that would partake in this, but for whatever reason,

[Speaker 4] (5:48 - 5:49)
the school committee,

[Speaker 4] (5:49 - 5:54)
school department just seemed to shrug and act like it's not their problem when parents with jobs,

[Speaker 4] (5:54 - 5:57)
meaning most of us, are struggling with transportation.

[Speaker 4] (5:58 - 6:02)
I'm not asking for a magical hundred thousand dollars. I know the budget is lean everywhere.

[Speaker 4] (6:02 - 6:06)
But I'm here to ask you to consider this request, and instead of a knee-jerk no,

[Speaker 4] (6:07 - 6:14)
I'm asking you instead to say what if we could, and to work with families, the school committee, and the school department,

[Speaker 4] (6:14 - 6:19)
to do everything we can to find a way to increase bus access for Swampscott families.

[Speaker 3] (6:20 - 6:21)
Thank you, Rachel.

[Speaker 3] (6:23 - 6:25)
Rachel, my feet is gonna stay for the meeting.

[Speaker 3] (6:25 - 6:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (6:25 - 6:26)
You're good to stay.

[Speaker 3] (6:26 - 6:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (6:26 - 6:29)
If he doesn't speak to me, so we're gonna have it for the rest of the meeting.

[Speaker 3] (6:29 - 6:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (6:29 - 6:30)
Ready?

[Speaker 3] (6:30 - 6:31)
Thank you. Um

[Speaker 8] (6:39 - 6:47)
Eric Schneider, 480 Pierden Road. As always, thank you for your service. I wanted to follow up on the sewer project and the lateral repairs.

[Speaker 8] (6:48 - 6:54)
Um as you know the sewer mains are town property and sewer laterals are responsibility of the property owner.

[Speaker 8] (6:55 - 7:03)
Uh as in response to public records requests that I've shared with the select board, revealed that as part of phase one of the Stacy Brooke rehab project,

[Speaker 8] (7:03 - 7:16)
470 laterals were inspected and repaired at a cost of over 2.5 million and the current fishermen's beach project is projected to have 57 laterals inspected and repaired at a total cost of over 600 thousand dollars.

[Speaker 8] (7:17 - 7:21)
That's a total over $3 million of town funds spent on repairing private property.

[Speaker 8] (7:21 - 7:27)
I don't think that this is a good use of taxpayer funds for the benefit of a few property owners.

[Speaker 8] (7:27 - 7:34)
I doubt that the repair of private property was part of the scope of the project approved by the CIC, prior town meetings,

[Speaker 8] (7:34 - 7:36)
or in the case of the use of ARPA funds,

[Speaker 8] (7:36 - 7:37)
by the select board.

[Speaker 8] (7:38 - 7:39)
And in addition,

[Speaker 8] (7:39 - 7:42)
I had some thoughts on some of the upcoming town meeting warrants.

[Speaker 8] (7:43 - 7:51)
Um, related to sewer project, article twenty three and twenty four, the sewer discharge and the lateral inspection requirements. You know, these are clearly important and timely,

[Speaker 8] (7:52 - 8:08)
but they're not quite thought through. Um both of these articles lack an enforcement mechanism and clarity on the accrual of the fines. So, is each day a violation or is each discharge a violation? Is just each connection a violation? And regardless for how long it continues.

[Speaker 8] (8:09 - 8:14)
And, you know, the uh article twenty four references a state regulation,

[Speaker 8] (8:14 - 8:16)
three ten C_M_R_ title fifteen hundred,

[Speaker 8] (8:16 - 8:28)
and in there they have uh much more detailed requirements of when the inspection right is triggered and that regulation l relates to um septic systems.

[Speaker 8] (8:28 - 8:33)
And what's missing in ours is, you know, there's a reference, but they're not all included.

[Speaker 8] (8:33 - 8:37)
For instance, if there's a condominium that has a sewer line,

[Speaker 8] (8:37 - 8:39)
if there is a transfer of property,

[Speaker 8] (8:39 - 8:42)
does that mean the whole condominium or each unit?

[Speaker 8] (8:42 - 8:45)
And if each unit, does it have to be inspected each time?

[Speaker 8] (8:46 - 8:48)
If you look at the regulations that I also shared with the select board,

[Speaker 8] (8:48 - 8:51)
there's some good language in there that we probably should consider adopting.

[Speaker 8] (8:52 - 8:57)
But if the goal is to improve the water quality at the beaches and inspect as many sewer laterals as quickly as possible,

[Speaker 8] (8:58 - 9:06)
maybe waiting for a sale is not the right way to do it, but rather setting a timeline five or ten years out where everyone has to do it.

[Speaker 8] (9:06 - 9:24)
Um since if you look at how many sales happen in Swampscott, and how many might be excluded because of, you know, the intra-family or transferred to trust, uh of the four hundred and seventy transfers that are listed on sale and registry of deeds for the last year, over a hundred and eighty were for less than a hundred dollars. So presumably those are intra-family transfers.

[Speaker 8] (9:26 - 9:26)
Um

[Speaker 8] (9:27 - 9:43)
The the article proposing an annual fall town meeting is a great idea, except that um then the charter and in the bylaws there are several references to the annual town meeting, and if you have two annual town meetings, then which one do the bylaws and the charter

[Speaker 8] (9:44 - 9:50)
um cross-reference. So I sent a proposal over that may be at uh the town meeting next in two weeks.

[Speaker 8] (9:51 - 9:59)
We could say that the annual town meeting shall be the third Monday in May, and then the annual fall town meeting shall meet in the first Monday in December. Um and then on

[Speaker 1] (9:59 - 10:00)
And then on Article 20,

[Speaker 1] (10:00 - 10:09)
you know, I know you guys had lots of discussions on that on the 21st, but the scope of this bylaw is very broad and as it's written,

[Speaker 1] (10:09 - 10:14)
it prohibits any person from using any park or facility without a permit,

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:16)
which is not what was intended,

[Speaker 1] (10:16 - 10:19)
but that's what's written and that's what we're looking at.

[Speaker 1] (10:19 - 10:25)
So if you were going to change it, please change it soon so the town meeting members have some time.

[Speaker 1] (10:25 - 10:30)
So look at it uh and not t amend it, you know, the night of. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (10:32 - 10:33)
Thank you, Mr Steiner.

[Speaker 2] (10:35 - 10:35)
Next.

[Speaker 3] (10:42 - 10:44)
Daneus Wanstrom, 61 Prospect Street.

[Speaker 3] (10:46 - 10:50)
Uh last week Swampscott voters once again made their voices heard.

[Speaker 3] (10:51 - 10:52)
And did so with clarity.

[Speaker 3] (10:53 - 10:59)
By re-electing Mary Ellen Fletcher and Katie Phelan, the town reaffirmed its support for steady values,

[Speaker 3] (10:59 - 11:02)
driven leadership grounded in transparency,

[Speaker 3] (11:02 - 11:03)
collaboration,

[Speaker 3] (11:03 - 11:04)
and respect.

[Speaker 3] (11:05 - 11:09)
At the same time, the voters rejected a campaign built on personal attacks,

[Speaker 3] (11:09 - 11:10)
selective storytelling,

[Speaker 3] (11:11 - 11:12)
and misrepresentations.

[Speaker 3] (11:12 - 11:14)
We saw statements pulled out of context,

[Speaker 3] (11:14 - 11:17)
facts twisted in an effort to sow distrust.

[Speaker 3] (11:18 - 11:22)
But Swampscott has seen through this brand of politics and chosen a better path.

[Speaker 3] (11:23 - 11:26)
Writing this and saying this isn't easy.

[Speaker 3] (11:26 - 11:32)
It's uncomfortable because it risks sounding like the same tactics voters have rightly rejected.

[Speaker 3] (11:34 - 11:35)
That's not my intention,

[Speaker 3] (11:35 - 11:39)
but when the tone and tenor of a campaign,

[Speaker 3] (11:39 - 11:41)
and just in general, governance in this town.

[Speaker 3] (11:42 - 11:44)
Seek to divide rather than build.

[Speaker 3] (11:44 - 11:48)
It's important to acknowledge that, and recognize the strength it takes for a town to reject it.

[Speaker 3] (11:49 - 11:53)
Disagreements are natural in any community. They're even healthy.

[Speaker 3] (11:54 - 11:58)
But what matters is how we work through those differences, with respect,

[Speaker 3] (11:58 - 11:59)
with facts,

[Speaker 2] (11:59 - 12:00)
Excuse me,

[Speaker 2] (12:01 - 12:03)
please be respectful.

[Speaker 3] (12:03 - 12:04)
with respect,

[Speaker 2] (12:04 - 12:05)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (12:06 - 12:10)
and with the goal of finding resolution, not fueling resentment.

[Speaker 3] (12:10 - 12:16)
These election results reflect more than just individual wins and losses. They signal a broader shift.

[Speaker 3] (12:17 - 12:18)
Over the past four cycles,

[Speaker 3] (12:19 - 12:21)
candidates aligned with that approach have struggled.

[Speaker 3] (12:21 - 12:24)
One incumbent failed to reach 900 votes.

[Speaker 3] (12:24 - 12:28)
Another barely held a seat against the first-time challenger.

[Speaker 3] (12:28 - 12:31)
This is not a fluke. This is a town clearly moving in a new direction.

[Speaker 3] (12:32 - 12:37)
Swampscott is asking for leadership that brings people together even when opinions differ.

[Speaker 3] (12:37 - 12:39)
Leadership that listens more than it lectures.

[Speaker 3] (12:40 - 12:46)
That's why the select board should reflect the values of this community and elect Katie Fallon as chair and Daniel Leonard as vice chair.

[Speaker 3] (12:46 - 12:48)
Two leaders who have consistently shown integrity,

[Speaker 3] (12:48 - 12:50)
thoughtfulness and a commitment to the common good.

[Speaker 3] (12:51 - 12:56)
Let's move forward not by pretending differences don't exist but by rising above the tactics that divide us.

[Speaker 3] (12:57 - 12:58)
The voters have spoken.

[Speaker 3] (12:59 - 13:01)
Now it's time for the select board to reflect that message.

[Speaker 3] (13:01 - 13:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (13:03 - 13:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (13:05 - 13:08)
Is there anyone else for public comment?

[Speaker 1] (13:21 - 13:24)
Hello, Miguel Contreras, Precinct 1,

[Speaker 1] (13:24 - 13:25)
46 Buena Vista,

[Speaker 1] (13:25 - 13:27)
school committee member,

[Speaker 1] (13:27 - 13:28)
not speaking for the committee.

[Speaker 1] (13:29 - 13:41)
I just had questions around the Burpee Road change that I've been hearing about it becoming a one-way and just trying to get more information around that part,

[Speaker 1] (13:41 - 13:44)
just seeing which way is it going to be a one-way, if it's a one-way up.

[Speaker 1] (13:45 - 14:12)
I feel like that's going to be tricky because your only ways to get out of the neighborhood would be at Tony Elena's or at the antique table which both are very awful intersections and don't have a light but if it's coming down Burpee Road then I can kind of see that working out and kind of going with some of the parking residential things that are going on in there so just kind of seeing have we done a traffic study

[Speaker 4] (14:12 - 14:40)
around any of that to just see which way is better and if we're going to go up are we going to add any traffic lights into the other outlets to try to make it a little bit easier to get out since there is a school bus route that goes through there as well so I just want to make sure that we're not impacting any of that for education wise so kids don't get there late but also for the people in the neighborhood that have to get to work because I can tell you going

[Speaker 4] (14:40 - 14:43)
going towards the antique table exit.

[Speaker 4] (14:43 - 14:45)
It can take a while, it's a blind corner.

[Speaker 4] (14:46 - 14:48)
You just floor it and go and hope for the best.

[Speaker 4] (14:49 - 14:54)
So just want to see if we can discuss that at some point in the future as well.

[Speaker 2] (14:55 - 14:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (14:56 - 14:59)
Is there anyone else for public comment?

[Speaker 1] (14:59 - 15:00)
Bill Demento.

[Speaker 2] (15:01 - 15:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (15:03 - 15:03)
Mr.

[Speaker 2] (15:03 - 15:04)
Demento?

[Speaker 5] (15:27 - 15:32)
But you know that on my iPad is no video coming through.

[Speaker 5] (15:32 - 15:35)
Is that just me or is that the world?

[Speaker 6] (15:37 - 15:37)
There is currently

[Speaker 5] (15:37 - 15:39)
I know you people love to be seen on TV.

[Speaker 2] (15:40 - 15:40)
Hold on a second.

[Speaker 5] (15:40 - 15:42)
I don't see anything.

[Speaker 7] (15:42 - 15:43)
There's

[Speaker 6] (15:43 - 15:43)
Five.

[Speaker 7] (15:43 - 15:44)
some video on Teams, right? Okay.

[Speaker 6] (15:44 - 15:51)
There is currently no video on Microsoft Teams unfortunately, it is available on YouTube, Facebook and the town uh local channel.

[Speaker 2] (15:55 - 15:56)
Got that

[Speaker 5] (15:56 - 15:56)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (15:56 - 15:56)
Bill?

[Speaker 5] (15:56 - 16:00)
so that I got it. Thank you. That's it

[Speaker 2] (16:00 - 16:01)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (16:01 - 16:01)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (16:03 - 16:04)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (16:04 - 16:07)
is there anyone else left for public comment?

[Speaker 2] (16:08 - 16:11)
Right, so seeing no one for public comment,

[Speaker 2] (16:11 - 16:20)
we're just going to move very quickly over the swearing in of the newly elected select board members, seeing as how one of the newly elected select board members is here.

[Speaker 8] (16:45 - 16:46)
solemnly swear

[Speaker 2] (16:46 - 16:47)
I solemnly swear

[Speaker 8] (16:47 - 16:49)
that will faithfully and impartially discharge

[Speaker 2] (16:50 - 16:52)
I will faithfully and impartially discharge

[Speaker 8] (16:52 - 16:54)
all the duties incumbent upon me

[Speaker 2] (16:54 - 16:55)
all the duties incumbent upon

[Speaker 8] (16:55 - 16:56)
as

[Speaker 2] (16:56 - 16:56)
me

[Speaker 8] (16:56 - 16:58)
a member of the select board.

[Speaker 2] (16:58 - 16:59)
as a member of the select board

[Speaker 8] (17:00 - 17:01)
for the town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 2] (17:01 - 17:02)
For the town of Swampscott staff.

[Speaker 8] (17:02 - 17:04)
in in accordance with the bylaws of the town,

[Speaker 2] (17:04 - 17:05)
The laws

[Speaker 8] (17:05 - 17:05)
the

[Speaker 2] (17:05 - 17:07)
of the town. laws of the town.

[Speaker 8] (17:07 - 17:08)
the laws of the commonwealth,

[Speaker 2] (17:08 - 17:09)
The laws of the commonwealth.

[Speaker 8] (17:09 - 17:12)
and the constitution of the United States of America,

[Speaker 2] (17:12 - 17:14)
And the constitution of the United States of America.

[Speaker 8] (17:14 - 17:16)
to the best of my ability.

[Speaker 2] (17:16 - 17:17)
To the best of my ability.

[Speaker 8] (17:17 - 17:18)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (17:18 - 17:19)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (17:29 - 17:30)
Did do you want to say anything?

[Speaker 7] (17:31 - 17:32)
No.

[Speaker 2] (17:32 - 17:32)
Neither do I.

[Speaker 7] (17:32 - 17:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (17:33 - 17:46)
So, all right, so thank you very much for coming down. And um I hope you stay for our public hearing. We are going to be uh addressing in our first public hearing who are we addressing here?

[Speaker 1] (17:51 - 17:52)
T.A. Selection Committee.

[Speaker 2] (17:52 - 17:53)
Uh

[Speaker 2] (17:53 - 17:59)
Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, we I'm so sorry. We have the T.A. selection committee is going to give us the update. I always miss that number one.

[Speaker 8] (18:01 - 18:01)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (18:02 - 18:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (18:05 - 18:15)
Hey, everyone. Uh I'm Tivan Amour, uh and I'm here on behalf of the T.A. selection committee to give you a quick update on our progress, um and where our schedule is going forward.

[Speaker 3] (18:16 - 18:20)
So um since kicking off the town administrator selection.

[Speaker 9] (18:20 - 18:40)
Uh search, um at the end of February we've created and launched an R_F_P_ for the T_A_ search firm, uh we've reviewed proposals, identified and hired an experienced search firm to lead the search. That firm is Gru White. And um as of last week we've agreed on a process and timeline with Gru White.

[Speaker 9] (18:41 - 18:46)
Uh so now going forward here's the schedule uh that we've agreed on. I'm also happy to share this in writing with you all.

[Speaker 9] (18:47 - 18:54)
So our very next step is to engage the community in an online survey to give our residents input in this process.

[Speaker 9] (18:54 - 18:56)
It will generally cover three things.

[Speaker 9] (18:56 - 18:56)
One,

[Speaker 9] (18:57 - 19:00)
what characteristics our community members are looking for in our next town administrator.

[Speaker 9] (19:01 - 19:01)
Two,

[Speaker 9] (19:01 - 19:06)
which issues our community members would like our town administrator to focus on most.

[Speaker 9] (19:06 - 19:07)
And three,

[Speaker 9] (19:07 - 19:12)
generally what our community members would like our committee to keep in mind while we go through this process.

[Speaker 9] (19:13 - 19:19)
So on May 9th, um this week, we intend to launch the community survey.

[Speaker 9] (19:20 - 19:28)
Um May twenty eighth, uh after a couple weeks, uh we expect the job posting to go live with help from Gruwhite.

[Speaker 9] (19:30 - 19:38)
July eleventh, Gruwhite will present us, the selection committee, with their picks for candidates.

[Speaker 9] (19:38 - 19:40)
uh for us to interview.

[Speaker 9] (19:41 - 19:47)
And ten days later, on the twenty first of July, we'll conduct interviews with all of those folks.

[Speaker 9] (19:49 - 19:54)
One week from there, we will meet to discuss the interviews. Now

[Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:24)
And then um by August fourth we expect to present the final three to five candidates to the select board for their consideration.

[Speaker 1] (20:25 - 20:30)
So as you may notice, this plan puts us beyond the initial timeline of the charter.

[Speaker 1] (20:30 - 20:43)
Uh which expires at the end of May right now. So we'd like to request our first extension of thirty days. Uh you may also notice that we will probably have to ask for more extensions as per this uh current uh uh schedule.

[Speaker 1] (20:44 - 20:54)
So we just wanna acknowledge that we'll probably need the additional two extensions provided for in the charter um to get this completed by uh April, excuse me, by August.

[Speaker 2] (20:56 - 20:56)
So

[Speaker 3] (20:57 - 20:58)
You have questions?

[Speaker 4] (20:58 - 20:59)
I do, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (21:00 - 21:04)
Thank you very much for coming and thank you for all the time that you've already put in, I'm sure,

[Speaker 4] (21:04 - 21:19)
with this massive task that we've given to you guys. My biggest concern is that the community is actively engaged and it is robust a manner as possible. So I know that you mentioned that there'll be an online survey.

[Speaker 4] (21:19 - 21:27)
Is there any other vehicle or mechanism to engage members of the community that might not be able or comfortable to take an online survey?

[Speaker 4] (21:27 - 21:44)
bay, is there something, you know, that can be placed in the senior centre, the schools, anything that really will get as much input as possible, 'cause that's kind of my primary driver. I wanna hear from what people in town really wanna see so that we can guide what we're gonna do going forward.

[Speaker 1] (21:46 - 21:51)
It's definitely something that we can we can talk about as a committee. Um do you have any suggestions for

[Speaker 1] (21:51 - 21:53)
what type of format we would use.

[Speaker 4] (21:53 - 21:57)
So other than on-line, um I mean I know it it

[Speaker 4] (21:58 - 22:24)
you know, a lot of people don't use pen and paper anymore and and literally in person, but perhaps a member of the committee um can make themselves available at some locations in town, perhaps the senior centre, the library, um places that people you know frequent that they can come down on a cer here today we're gonna be available here for anyone that wants to fill out a survey in person um you know or perhaps there's an email box set up um if, you know, someone isn't

[Speaker 4] (22:24 - 22:53)
comfortable taking a survey if they have questions that aren't part of the survey that they want to still offer their opinions, uh just something that where people could reach out if they feel the need um or a point person on the committee however you guys want to decide that. I just want to make sure that we're we're leaving no stone unturned in terms of engaging the public because this is um probably one of the biggest decisions, you know, in the past five years, right, or or the future five years. So I wanna make sure as many people

[Speaker 4] (22:53 - 23:10)
people have an opportunity to voice whatever opinion they have about it. Um my second area of question is I I saw an email come around where um Mister White I think was asking for our opinion on members of the community to interview. So

[Speaker 4] (23:11 - 23:19)
I mean if you ask all five of us I'm sure we're gonna come up with two different people for all of us right. So I'm kind of trying to understand

[Speaker 4] (23:19 - 23:32)
the thought process um behind that so that I can really think about who you know who who I would suggest I mean that's kind of that's a difficult one, so I wanna understand what what the thought process is there.

[Speaker 1] (23:32 - 23:36)
Right, so um just to make it clear what the request is, um

[Speaker 1] (23:37 - 23:42)
Th Mr. White is looking for two distinct individuals from each of you. So a total of ten people, ten

[Speaker 4] (23:42 - 23:42)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (23:42 - 23:42)
of you.

[Speaker 4] (23:42 - 23:43)
okay, okay.

[Speaker 1] (23:43 - 23:44)
I don't know if that was clear.

[Speaker 4] (23:45 - 23:45)
Ooh.

[Speaker 1] (23:45 - 23:45)
Um so

[Speaker 4] (23:45 - 23:46)
It wasn't,

[Speaker 1] (23:46 - 23:46)
he inten

[Speaker 4] (23:46 - 23:48)
thank you. I thought you wanted us all to come to a consensus

[Speaker 1] (23:48 - 23:48)
Yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 4] (23:48 - 23:49)
of two people.

[Speaker 1] (23:49 - 23:53)
So he intends to put in a lot of work over the next uh week or so,

[Speaker 4] (23:53 - 23:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (23:53 - 23:57)
just talking to as many people as possible. And the idea is

[Speaker 1] (23:57 - 24:01)
In his he he was a T.A. he was a autonomous administrator himself for a very long time.

[Speaker 4] (24:01 - 24:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (24:02 - 24:14)
And so his approach is very holistic and he looks to try to get a sense of like a three sixty view of the community, what are the challenges that has now, what are the challenges that it's going to have over the next couple decades,

[Speaker 4] (24:14 - 24:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (24:15 - 24:20)
what are the amazing parts about it, what are the b the parts that could use improvement. Um and he tries to get as many perspectives as possible.

[Speaker 4] (24:20 - 24:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (24:20 - 24:25)
So um in addition to interviewing each one of you all, he's interviewed us, he will

[Speaker 10] (24:25 - 24:25)
be

[Speaker 1] (24:25 - 24:30)
interviewing department heads and a bunch of community leaders that you all um suggest.

[Speaker 4] (24:30 - 24:30)
Very

[Speaker 1] (24:30 - 24:31)
So that

[Speaker 4] (24:31 - 24:31)
good.

[Speaker 1] (24:31 - 24:41)
that's the idea. And the reason for that actually is so that he can present a good picture to put to perspective candidates. Because we want to make sure that somebody is aware of all the potential challenges

[Speaker 4] (24:41 - 24:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (24:41 - 24:45)
uh that they face and and in interacting with all the amazing things that make this game work.

[Speaker 4] (24:46 - 24:50)
Excellent. Thank you. That's that's a very thoughtful approach. I appreciate that. Thank you for clarifying.

[Speaker 4] (24:51 - 24:51)
David.

[Speaker 5] (24:52 - 25:01)
And, Tivan, what what is the what is the the timeline for the for the interviews with us and with you know each of our two names? Uh I'm sorry if I missed that.

[Speaker 6] (25:03 - 25:06)
I may have uh not made clear. So,

[Speaker 6] (25:09 - 25:10)
I'm gonna turn it on.

[Speaker 6] (25:15 - 25:16)
So, can you hear me okay?

[Speaker 5] (25:16 - 25:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (25:20 - 25:24)
So we'll present you the final candidates on the fourth.

[Speaker 1] (25:24 - 25:33)
And we don't have a I don't have a clear timeline right now on what what transpires after that, um but I'm happy to get that for you.

[Speaker 5] (25:33 - 25:41)
Yeah, I was just I was just more curious about the interviews with the select board members individually and with the with the two names. So is that going to happen within the month of May?

[Speaker 1] (25:43 - 25:45)
Oh oh, with these first folks, sorry.

[Speaker 5] (25:45 - 25:45)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (25:45 - 26:02)
Uh yes, that's ideally that happens starting end of this week, next week, as soon as you can provide. We asked um uh that you provide them on a rolling basis. So as you have them, just uh send them to uh you know through the town and and Rick will Rick will get them and start calling.

[Speaker 5] (26:02 - 26:03)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 7] (26:07 - 26:18)
I'm just a suggestion, 'cause Danielle had mentioned getting the s facilitating the survey. If we could somehow have it go through the school system, through parents square, that might be a good way to hit a lot of people at once. Outside of

[Speaker 5] (26:18 - 26:18)
like Okay.

[Speaker 7] (26:18 - 26:22)
posting it to Facebook and other town, and putting it on the town website. Um

[Speaker 1] (26:22 - 26:23)
It's called Parents Square.

[Speaker 7] (26:24 - 26:24)
It's called parents square.

[Speaker 1] (26:24 - 26:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (26:24 - 26:25)
Andrea will know what it is.

[Speaker 1] (26:26 - 26:26)
Alright.

[Speaker 8] (26:30 - 26:33)
Um, I just I Do you want input on that survey?

[Speaker 4] (26:34 - 26:40)
Um, I could certainly, I I'm happy to act as a resource if they need me. Um

[Speaker 8] (26:40 - 26:40)
If if

[Speaker 1] (26:40 - 26:41)
Happy to share, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (26:41 - 26:44)
you could send that survey out, because I know

[Speaker 4] (26:44 - 26:45)
I'd happy, be happy

[Speaker 8] (26:45 - 26:59)
both of you wanted some input on that. The other thing is if you could talk to Rick about the possibility of actually going to the senior centre one afternoon, and if they could just they could advertise it and if people wanna come down and have lunch and and talk about it, that might help.

[Speaker 1] (27:00 - 27:00)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (27:01 - 27:26)
The other thing is um your if you could bring this back to the chair your meetings have been held without being on um without being broadcasted and so I would like to make a request that your meetings be held somewhere that people can actually watch your meetings. Um unless they're you're having meetings where you're discussing things that are confidential, that

[Speaker 8] (27:26 - 27:32)
But if if at all possible, please put your meanings where people can watch.

[Speaker 5] (27:32 - 27:33)
Okay, okay.

[Speaker 8] (27:37 - 27:38)
Are we all set?

[Speaker 1] (27:38 - 27:42)
One quick question on the in-person engagement.

[Speaker 1] (27:42 - 27:47)
So right now it sounds like senior center is a must in-person.

[Speaker 1] (27:48 - 27:54)
What do you think is like the right number of potential in-person engagements? I want to make sure that we

[Speaker 1] (27:55 - 27:57)
You know, clear the clear the minimum. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (27:58 - 28:11)
I would say three. I think that, you know, it and it doesn't necessarily so I use the library as an example of just a location in town that most people are familiar with, right? Um it could be town hall, you could set up a you know

[Speaker 4] (28:12 - 28:25)
the conference room at town hall and have people come down there, you could have it be the library, anywhere that's, you know, really like accessible for people. You pick a couple dates and say we're gonna be here on this day, here on this day, feel free to come down,

[Speaker 4] (28:25 - 28:27)
fill out a survey, give us your thoughts.

[Speaker 4] (28:28 - 28:31)
Just as long as it's I I would say three is a a decent number

[Speaker 8] (28:32 - 28:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (28:32 - 28:33)
in addition to the online survey.

[Speaker 5] (28:36 - 28:38)
Potentially set up a robo call or

[Speaker 4] (28:38 - 28:39)
Right, a reminder.

[Speaker 5] (28:39 - 28:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (28:39 - 28:46)
We're going to be here on these days, we can we can publicize it on Facebook, we can put it on the town website, these are the days we're going to be here.

[Speaker 4] (28:46 - 28:54)
You know, the selection committee will be here if you want to reach us, you know, and advertise it that way just so we we're getting the word out and we're we're trying to reach as many people as we can.

[Speaker 1] (28:55 - 28:57)
David, sorry, I didn't hear. Did you say set up a call?

[Speaker 5] (28:57 - 28:58)
No, like a robo call.

[Speaker 8] (28:58 - 28:58)
Robo call.

[Speaker 1] (28:58 - 28:59)
Robo

[Speaker 4] (28:59 - 28:59)
Like a we robo

[Speaker 1] (28:59 - 28:59)
can

[Speaker 4] (28:59 - 28:59)
take call.

[Speaker 1] (28:59 - 28:59)
care

[Speaker 4] (28:59 - 28:59)
call to remind

[Speaker 1] (28:59 - 28:59)
of that.

[Speaker 4] (28:59 - 29:00)
people.

[Speaker 1] (29:00 - 29:00)
We can do that?

[Speaker 4] (29:00 - 29:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (29:01 - 29:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (29:01 - 29:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (29:01 - 29:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (29:01 - 29:01)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (29:02 - 29:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (29:02 - 29:03)
You could

[Speaker 4] (29:03 - 29:03)
We

[Speaker 7] (29:03 - 29:03)
do a

[Speaker 4] (29:03 - 29:05)
can send it out by email. We can send it out by robocall.

[Speaker 7] (29:05 - 29:12)
you could do a QR code for town meeting so people can access the survey at town meeting

[Speaker 4] (29:12 - 29:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (29:12 - 29:13)
and take town meeting members

[Speaker 5] (29:13 - 29:14)
You got the audience.

[Speaker 7] (29:14 - 29:15)
could take it

[Speaker 8] (29:15 - 29:16)
That's a lot of people in one room, so.

[Speaker 8] (29:16 - 29:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (29:17 - 29:17)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (29:18 - 29:22)
We will share our plan to do this and make sure,

[Speaker 1] (29:22 - 29:25)
because you just threw a lot at us. I want to make sure that we capture all of it. So we'll

[Speaker 8] (29:25 - 29:26)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (29:26 - 29:26)
share.

[Speaker 4] (29:26 - 29:27)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (29:27 - 29:27)
All

[Speaker 4] (29:27 - 29:27)
you very

[Speaker 5] (29:27 - 29:27)
right.

[Speaker 8] (29:27 - 29:28)
much. Thank you for coming down.

[Speaker 8] (29:29 - 29:38)
Okay, so now we'll move on to our public hearing and our first public hearing will be for Sam Walker's Tavern,

[Speaker 8] (29:38 - 29:41)
which will be at 450 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 8] (29:42 - 29:45)
Oh, excuse me. Can I have a motion to open a public hearing?

[Speaker 4] (29:45 - 29:46)
So moved.

[Speaker 6] (29:46 - 29:46)
Second.

[Speaker 8] (29:46 - 29:47)
Second?

[Speaker 8] (29:47 - 29:49)
All in favor? I. Okay, we are in public.

[Speaker 4] (30:04 - 30:05)
How you doing?

[Speaker 2] (30:06 - 30:06)
Good.

[Speaker 3] (30:06 - 30:06)
How

[Speaker 4] (30:06 - 30:06)
How are you doing

[Speaker 3] (30:06 - 30:06)
are you doing?

[Speaker 4] (30:06 - 30:07)
sir?

[Speaker 3] (30:07 - 30:07)
How are you?

[Speaker 4] (30:07 - 30:08)
Well thank you.

[Speaker 5] (30:08 - 30:10)
Hi, can you hear me? Should I move this up? Or is it good?

[Speaker 3] (30:11 - 30:11)
We can hear you.

[Speaker 6] (30:11 - 30:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (30:11 - 30:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (30:12 - 30:29)
Okay. My name is Pat Dillon. Uh I'm from Woburn, Mass. Uh I visit family here. Sean is also uh from Woburn now originally high part. Um we own and operate Sam Walker's American Tavern in Woburn as well as five other restaurants uh Moosey's American Tavern in Dorchester,

[Speaker 5] (30:29 - 30:30)
The Bowery Bar in Dorchester,

[Speaker 5] (30:30 - 30:32)
Chefs Taco in the Kila Bar in Dorchester,

[Speaker 5] (30:33 - 30:36)
Lavo's American Tavern in South Boston. Um

[Speaker 5] (30:37 - 30:38)
in Santa Monica's Assembly.

[Speaker 5] (30:39 - 30:54)
So we are here because we have been given the opportunity hopefully to open a Santa Monica's in Swampscott. So we can answer any questions you may have or to vote for the process.

[Speaker 7] (30:56 - 30:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (30:56 - 30:56)
This

[Speaker 5] (30:56 - 30:57)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 3] (30:57 - 31:03)
is great. So it looks like you are looking for approval on

[Speaker 3] (31:05 - 31:07)
Oh, we have a liquor perma permit.

[Speaker 5] (31:08 - 31:09)
Yes, we are.

[Speaker 3] (31:09 - 31:13)
Yep. Does anyone have any questions on the liquor permit?

[Speaker 8] (31:21 - 31:22)
I'll just get you

[Speaker 3] (31:22 - 31:22)
Nope.

[Speaker 8] (31:22 - 31:23)
to point it as opposed

[Speaker 3] (31:23 - 31:23)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (31:23 - 31:25)
to Marissa or the Attorney

[Speaker 3] (31:25 - 31:26)
Oh good. Okay.

[Speaker 8] (31:26 - 31:26)
the questions.

[Speaker 3] (31:30 - 31:33)
Um so does it does anybody on the select board have any questions on the liquor?

[Speaker 3] (31:34 - 31:34)
Vernon?

[Speaker 8] (31:34 - 31:35)
What are the hours?

[Speaker 5] (31:36 - 31:41)
So we will be looking to operate at 11.30 a.m. to,

[Speaker 5] (31:41 - 31:43)
it depends on what time,

[Speaker 5] (31:43 - 31:44)
what your closing hours are.

[Speaker 5] (31:44 - 31:52)
I know Walker's and Woodman is 12.30 and 12 on Sundays. So we'd open at 11.30 for lunch, Monday through Friday,

[Speaker 5] (31:52 - 31:58)
10 a.m. for brunch on Saturday and Sunday, and then it depends on what your closing hours are.

[Speaker 8] (31:58 - 32:00)
Marissa, can you speak to that?

[Speaker 8] (32:08 - 32:12)
Or is there something that you as the local licensing authority do get to establish?

[Speaker 3] (32:12 - 32:17)
You have it listed here as 12, we have it listed here at 12 a.m.

[Speaker 8] (32:17 - 32:21)
Correct, because that was um those are the hours that he just read you. So those

[Speaker 3] (32:21 - 32:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (32:21 - 32:22)
were which the

[Speaker 3] (32:22 - 32:27)
means that in the event you want to change those hours at a later time, you could always come right back and we

[Speaker 5] (32:27 - 32:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (32:27 - 32:29)
could have a discussion about it if that's okay.

[Speaker 5] (32:29 - 32:30)
That's great. Thank you. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (32:30 - 32:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (32:31 - 32:35)
Yeah, we usually close our kitchens depending on volume, honestly.

[Speaker 5] (32:36 - 32:43)
Woburn, we close the kitchen at 10.30 during the week and 11 on the weekends. Um so we usually operate the bar for an hour after that and then close.

[Speaker 8] (32:44 - 32:49)
Is it, it's actually 12.30 Monday through Saturday. It's only 12 on Sundays. So just to say.

[Speaker 5] (32:50 - 32:51)
Okay, so that's the same thing as we have at

[Speaker 8] (32:51 - 32:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (32:51 - 32:52)
Woburn. Yep.

[Speaker 3] (32:52 - 32:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (32:55 - 32:56)
Do you do breakfast during the week?

[Speaker 5] (32:57 - 32:57)
We do, we do.

[Speaker 5] (32:57 - 32:57)
No,

[Speaker 5] (32:58 - 33:02)
not during the week, sorry. No, we just serve, it's ultimately a smaller version of our dinner menu.

[Speaker 5] (33:02 - 33:09)
We serve a full lunch menu during the week. We only do breakfast from 10 a.m. to 3 o'clock on Saturday and Sunday.

[Speaker 3] (33:10 - 33:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (33:12 - 33:14)
I have a question for Rosa.

[Speaker 8] (33:14 - 33:16)
So we have four licenses currently available.

[Speaker 8] (33:17 - 33:22)
We have, we actually have, I believe,

[Speaker 8] (33:23 - 33:23)
six.

[Speaker 8] (33:25 - 33:31)
Six, through special legislation and two based on our census data. So I believe, hold on.

[Speaker 8] (33:33 - 33:33)
Unless

[Speaker 8] (33:34 - 33:35)
Okay, I'm just looking at this.

[Speaker 8] (33:36 - 33:38)
Whatever you have on that form is correct. I don't have it in front of

[Speaker 3] (33:38 - 33:38)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (33:38 - 33:39)
me, but whatever

[Speaker 3] (33:39 - 33:39)
a little

[Speaker 8] (33:39 - 33:39)
you bit have

[Speaker 3] (33:39 - 33:39)
more.

[Speaker 8] (33:39 - 33:39)
on So that it

[Speaker 3] (33:39 - 33:39)
looks

[Speaker 8] (33:39 - 33:40)
form

[Speaker 3] (33:40 - 33:40)
like

[Speaker 8] (33:40 - 33:40)
is

[Speaker 3] (33:40 - 33:40)
there

[Speaker 8] (33:40 - 33:40)
correct.

[Speaker 3] (33:40 - 33:43)
are four available, all alcohol licenses available,

[Speaker 3] (33:43 - 33:46)
and then there's another six available through special legislation.

[Speaker 8] (33:46 - 33:46)
Special legislation.

[Speaker 3] (33:46 - 33:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (33:47 - 33:49)
Yep. And those are for any of our local business districts,

[Speaker 8] (33:49 - 33:52)
which this would apply. That's if we run out of the census,

[Speaker 8] (33:52 - 33:59)
if we expire our census quota and any business wants to operate a liquor license in one of our local business districts like Bin and Square,

[Speaker 8] (33:59 - 34:00)
like.

[Speaker 8] (34:00 - 34:01)
Like Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 9] (34:01 - 34:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (34:01 - 34:03)
they could get a liquor license under that special legislation.

[Speaker 9] (34:03 - 34:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (34:05 - 34:05)
All right, great.

[Speaker 3] (34:05 - 34:07)
So if there are no questions,

[Speaker 3] (34:07 - 34:07)
maybe

[Speaker 9] (34:07 - 34:09)
When are you guys looking to open,

[Speaker 9] (34:09 - 34:09)
by the way?

[Speaker 3] (34:09 - 34:10)
there is.

[Speaker 5] (34:10 - 34:13)
So we're going through the permitting process now.

[Speaker 5] (34:15 - 34:18)
Hopefully, we'll be able to start demo in the next week or two.

[Speaker 3] (34:18 - 34:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (34:18 - 34:29)
If we can, then it's usually about a six month time frame. So what would be late October, November would be what we're shooting for if everything goes well. Obviously, there Right. there can be unforeseen circumstances, but that will be our goal.

[Speaker 9] (34:30 - 34:30)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (34:31 - 34:31)
Excellent.

[Speaker 3] (34:32 - 34:36)
Okay. And then you'll be coming back for the common vicar and the entertainment, like I said.

[Speaker 5] (34:36 - 34:37)
Yes, yep.

[Speaker 3] (34:37 - 34:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (34:38 - 34:42)
Well, I'm only gonna speak for myself here, but I am incredibly excited that you're coming to town.

[Speaker 5] (34:42 - 34:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (34:42 - 34:45)
So I hope you can expedite your

[Speaker 5] (34:46 - 34:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (34:46 - 34:46)
Um

[Speaker 11] (34:46 - 34:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (34:47 - 34:51)
I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Yeah, we're excited too. We we put a lot of thought into the communities that we look to go into.

[Speaker 3] (34:52 - 34:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (34:52 - 35:02)
We want to make sure that our concept and the way we operate we feel like will be an asset to the community in a place that people want to go and I feel like Swampscot is the is a really good opportunity for us. So

[Speaker 3] (35:02 - 35:02)
Great,

[Speaker 5] (35:02 - 35:02)
we're excited.

[Speaker 3] (35:02 - 35:02)
thank you.

[Speaker 9] (35:03 - 35:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (35:03 - 35:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (35:03 - 35:06)
So on that, can we have a motion to accept this liquor

[Speaker 5] (35:06 - 35:06)
Motion.

[Speaker 3] (35:06 - 35:07)
license? Second?

[Speaker 8] (35:08 - 35:08)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (35:08 - 35:11)
All in favour? Aye. Motion carries. Thank

[Speaker 5] (35:11 - 35:11)
Thank you very

[Speaker 3] (35:11 - 35:11)
you.

[Speaker 5] (35:11 - 35:12)
much, we appreciate

[Speaker 9] (35:12 - 35:12)
Good luck,

[Speaker 5] (35:12 - 35:12)
it.

[Speaker 3] (35:12 - 35:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (35:12 - 35:13)
and welcome to Swampscott.

[Speaker 5] (35:13 - 35:13)
Nice to meet you.

[Speaker 3] (35:13 - 35:14)
Thanks.

[Speaker 8] (35:14 - 35:17)
Do we um close this public hearing and open the new one, or

[Speaker 3] (35:17 - 35:17)
We're

[Speaker 8] (35:17 - 35:18)
we just leave

[Speaker 3] (35:18 - 35:18)
still in it.

[Speaker 8] (35:18 - 35:18)
it open?

[Speaker 3] (35:18 - 35:19)
We're just gonna leave it open.

[Speaker 8] (35:19 - 35:20)
Okay, cool.

[Speaker 3] (35:21 - 35:28)
Okay, so our next um our next liquor license is for one of our favourite restaurants currently in town.

[Speaker 3] (35:30 - 35:31)
Andrea's Taqueria.

[Speaker 3] (35:34 - 35:34)
Well

[Speaker 12] (35:40 - 35:51)
How about your understanding, Vitaly? Uh my office is in uh Lynn. This is uh William Sanchez who has an existing business uh in the town of Swampscott, Andrea's Taqueria. Um

[Speaker 12] (35:51 - 35:54)
He's coming up on, I think, his third anniversary of

[Speaker 9] (35:54 - 35:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (35:54 - 35:56)
his restaurant,

[Speaker 12] (35:56 - 35:58)
which is at 646 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 12] (35:58 - 36:07)
and he serves Mexican food in the menu. I think he handed out some of the menus. He hopes he recognizes some of you have stopped by.

[Speaker 12] (36:07 - 36:10)
He hopes everybody else has an opportunity to stop by.

[Speaker 12] (36:11 - 36:12)
In response to requests,

[Speaker 12] (36:13 - 36:14)
many requests.

[Speaker 12] (36:15 - 36:23)
from his patrons and customers who want to enjoy alcoholic beverages with their dinner,

[Speaker 12] (36:23 - 36:28)
we are seeking an all alcohol on-premises restaurant license.

[Speaker 12] (36:29 - 36:40)
Williams and Tips certified the current restaurant was listed on the back of the menu from 11 a.m. to 9 p.m. If you've been by,

[Speaker 12] (36:40 - 36:41)
you know it's a small

[Speaker 12] (36:41 - 37:00)
a restaurant and it's a sort of a tribute to his hard work that he endured the COVID crisis and came through and he's hoping that you look favorably on his request which would assist him in expanding the volume of his customers at the place.

[Speaker 3] (37:03 - 37:04)
I have one question.

[Speaker 3] (37:04 - 37:05)
Does this license cover,

[Speaker 3] (37:05 - 37:08)
he will has outdoor seating right in front.

[Speaker 3] (37:08 - 37:11)
Would this liquor license cover his outdoor seating right in front?

[Speaker 8] (37:11 - 37:21)
Yes, so long as his premises explicitly contain the outdoor seating, then yes, alcohol can be consumed on those premises as well.

[Speaker 3] (37:21 - 37:26)
But does this does this permit because it says square footage is 950 square feet.

[Speaker 3] (37:26 - 37:27)
I just want to make sure you've covered well.

[Speaker 5] (37:28 - 37:29)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (37:30 - 37:32)
Can you, does it look like that?

[Speaker 8] (37:32 - 37:34)
Well, it says you submitted a floor plan,

[Speaker 8] (37:34 - 37:36)
which we don't have. So I guess you'd have to see

[Speaker 3] (37:36 - 37:36)
That

[Speaker 8] (37:36 - 37:41)
the floor plan. gets submitted to the ABCC. If it says 950 square feet, then I'm inclined to believe it's only indoors,

[Speaker 8] (37:41 - 37:47)
but we can, you can alter your premises and then it can include the outdoor seating tables and chairs as well.

[Speaker 3] (37:48 - 37:49)
How does he go about doing that?

[Speaker 8] (37:49 - 37:50)
It's all,

[Speaker 8] (37:50 - 37:54)
there's an alteration of premises form available through the ABCC's web page.

[Speaker 3] (37:54 - 37:55)
And then will he have to come back here?

[Speaker 8] (37:55 - 37:57)
He will have to come back here. Yep.

[Speaker 3] (37:57 - 37:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (37:59 - 38:04)
So we'll, hopefully we'll approve this tonight and then if you could address that

[Speaker 8] (38:04 - 38:04)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (38:04 - 38:09)
and see if you have to come back in and start that process only because the weather's getting nice and I think

[Speaker 8] (38:09 - 38:10)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (38:10 - 38:13)
that's would be a major benefit for that business.

[Speaker 8] (38:13 - 38:14)
Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (38:14 - 38:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (38:14 - 38:14)
Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (38:14 - 38:17)
All right so does anybody have any other questions?

[Speaker 3] (38:18 - 38:20)
No questions. Can I have a motion to approve?

[Speaker 13] (38:20 - 38:20)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (38:20 - 38:21)
Second?

[Speaker 9] (38:21 - 38:21)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (38:21 - 38:22)
All in favor?

[Speaker 13] (38:22 - 38:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (38:22 - 38:23)
Motion carries.

[Speaker 3] (38:25 - 38:26)
Oh sorry, hold on a second.

[Speaker 5] (38:26 - 38:30)
Sorry, I just come here for an afternoon delivery.

[Speaker 3] (38:30 - 38:31)
You wanna come on up here sir?

[Speaker 5] (38:31 - 38:32)
Yeah, sure.

[Speaker 3] (38:32 - 38:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 14] (38:49 - 38:51)
in the neighborhood and you know I was just kind of concerned about

[Speaker 3] (38:51 - 38:52)
Can you you just tell us your name

[Speaker 14] (38:52 - 38:53)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (38:53 - 38:53)
and address?

[Speaker 14] (38:53 - 38:54)
Joe DiPietro. I

[Speaker 3] (38:54 - 38:54)
Joe DiPietro?

[Speaker 14] (38:54 - 39:09)
live on uh 16 Glen Road. Um I'm here by myself. My my other neighbors are going to come. They t they couldn't make it and for some reason I'm here to represent the neighborhood. And uh we were we were kind of concerned about the deliveries on with the um

[Speaker 14] (39:10 - 39:14)
with the uh with the beer and stuff like that on our on our small street.

[Speaker 14] (39:14 - 39:18)
And uh I don't know if you um know the street at all but I

[Speaker 5] (39:19 - 39:25)
I got another one of that again. It's some pictures of it if you do kind of look at it, do you need to pass it to any people to look at it.

[Speaker 5] (39:25 - 39:28)
But uh it's a t it's

[Speaker 14] (39:28 - 39:44)
um it's a narrow it's a narrow alleyway in the back of the building, and it's a small street and uh it really wasn't designed to have big trucks coming in here coming in and out of there because when the when the building was first built in nineteen eighty six,

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:50)
there was supposed to be no food, no alcohol, nothing like that. It was supposed to be mainly supposed to be

[Speaker 1] (39:51 - 39:53)
businesses of like doctors'

[Speaker 1] (39:53 - 39:59)
offices and, you know, insurance agencies and stuff like that. It wasn't made to have,

[Speaker 1] (39:59 - 40:05)
you know, access to big trucks coming in and out of there. And so since time has gone by, that

[Speaker 1] (40:06 - 40:12)
bylaws been thrown in the barrel if you want to say it, and now you want to bring in

[Speaker 1] (40:13 - 40:29)
this business here which is serving food which wasn't in the original plan, but it's going as it is now, and it has in the past. And now you're gonna now you're gonna supposedly have like alcohol coming in there and like the trucks are coming in and out of there.

[Speaker 1] (40:29 - 40:54)
not gonna be like you know Modelo and Budweiser and Miller Lite and all these trucks aren't gonna be like coming up Glen Road and we're one-way street and we don't have sidewalks and you know it's you know it's not like down this Paradise Road and the swamps get mall where there's a ramp and there's a you know and stuff like that to accommodate these things and I think it's a little reckless to have you know

[Speaker 1] (40:54 - 41:08)
And I wasn't at the last meeting and my neighbour Steve was here, but he said that he proposed or I don't know the terminology if I'm saying it correctly, but he says well if you're gonna have it, you know,

[Speaker 1] (41:09 - 41:36)
do the deliveries through the front door. I I don't see how that's gonna work when you pull into that that mall, like I I live there, you know in that neighbourhood, and you know getting in and out of there with a car is a challenge, but I'm not saying it can't be done, but you know, pulling in with an an eighteen wheeler full of fifteen hundred s cases of beer on the back of it and I deliver beer before when I was a kid and to pull it around the corner and pull it in front of the building and then block the other businesses like the

[Speaker 1] (41:37 - 41:46)
child care center and aerobic yoga or whatever's in there and you say, hey, I'm gonna pull my truck in here for an hour, I'm just gonna load some beer out.

[Speaker 1] (41:46 - 41:57)
And now the people are gonna be walking into those businesses and saying, what's this truck doing in front of my building here? I mean I'm I'm with customers that are coming in here, I don't want a truck with diesel fuel running out in front of my building.

[Speaker 1] (41:58 - 42:03)
And so I think it's just a little reckless to um have that. And then

[Speaker 1] (42:03 - 42:14)
I gave a little letter of regards to that. And it's just the history of the, that it was supposed to start out back in 1986.

[Speaker 1] (42:14 - 42:18)
And it was kind of like you make these laws and then you just,

[Speaker 1] (42:18 - 42:20)
and you change them and you throw them in the barrel.

[Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:25)
And then you want, then there's a restaurant in there now.

[Speaker 1] (42:25 - 42:28)
Okay, you know, it's constricted to the front of the building.

[Speaker 1] (42:29 - 42:31)
I get that and stuff like that. Um

[Speaker 1] (42:33 - 42:34)
You know the restaurant

[Speaker 1] (42:36 - 42:51)
is a little, you know, like they had like a shed back there and I don't know what they were storing in front of and it but there was like a electrical wire. The shed was pulled out and I think that the the owner of the building is not really proactive and say hey, you know,

[Speaker 1] (42:51 - 42:52)
you

[Speaker 1] (42:53 - 42:54)
know, you shouldn't do this.

[Speaker 1] (42:55 - 43:17)
you know and you know you you put like an eight by ten shed in there and I don't know what he's running a food business out of there but I don't know what he's putting in there but I don't know if he's you know he's putting napkins or whatever he's putting in there I don't know but I hope it's not food but it's gone now but I thought it was just a little bit reckless and and I just I just think that there's no way

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:42)
no way that you can that the trucks are going to be able to get in and out of the back of that building. And I don't think I don't think they're going to make that curve when they come in from Humphrey Street and they go around that building and they go in there with all those other businesses, especially with the child care centre when there's people with small kids and infants and stuff like that getting out of their cars and they don't want to be competing with an 18 wheeler.

[Speaker 1] (43:43 - 43:44)
you know, coming into the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (43:45 - 43:58)
And uh those are my uh you know safety concerns and the concerns of the neighbourhood of um you know having big trucks coming driving up and down their street on a on a small residential road

[Speaker 1] (43:59 - 44:03)
that has no sidewalks and and I just think it's I don't think it's right.

[Speaker 1] (44:04 - 44:08)
And um I just wanna and that's where I stand with that and um

[Speaker 1] (44:08 - 44:13)
You know, if you can get the beer in through the front door, no problem.

[Speaker 1] (44:13 - 44:15)
I don't see anybody in enforcing it,

[Speaker 1] (44:15 - 44:16)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (44:17 - 44:21)
So I mean, you know, I don't know how it's going to be written up, you know.

[Speaker 1] (44:22 - 44:24)
You know, I don't even know how it's going to work,

[Speaker 2] (44:24 - 44:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (44:24 - 44:25)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (44:26 - 44:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (44:26 - 44:31)
So is there an existing bylaw that prohibits a restaurant from being in that space,

[Speaker 3] (44:31 - 44:31)
Martha?

[Speaker 4] (44:31 - 44:32)
No.

[Speaker 4] (44:33 - 44:39)
It's part of the B-1 commercial district, so there are multiple uses allowed there by right, and a restaurant is one of them.

[Speaker 4] (44:39 - 44:40)
To be clear,

[Speaker 4] (44:40 - 44:41)
Mr.

[Speaker 4] (44:41 - 44:48)
Sanchez did come to the Zoning Board of Appeals for a use special permit to allow for a liquor license to operate out of that establishment,

[Speaker 4] (44:48 - 44:53)
so a lot of these concerns were addressed at the multiple ZBA hearings that we had.

[Speaker 4] (44:53 - 45:00)
had back in the fall and there cannot be any deliveries in that back alley at all. It is purely just for trash collection.

[Speaker 3] (45:01 - 45:03)
So there will be no deliveries back there?

[Speaker 4] (45:03 - 45:05)
No, they'll all have to be handled through the front.

[Speaker 5] (45:05 - 45:05)
front door.

[Speaker 3] (45:05 - 45:06)
So Mrs.

[Speaker 3] (45:06 - 45:08)
Sanchez is aware of that?

[Speaker 4] (45:08 - 45:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (45:09 - 45:09)
Yes you

[Speaker 3] (45:09 - 45:10)
You know that?

[Speaker 6] (45:10 - 45:14)
like uh uh marissa said we went through all that and also uh

[Speaker 6] (45:15 - 45:21)
They they're not 18 wheelers. It's yes it's a truck but not an 18 wheeler.

[Speaker 3] (45:21 - 45:25)
But the bot the bottom line is your deliveries come in and out the front door, is that correct?

[Speaker 7] (45:25 - 45:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (45:26 - 45:26)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (45:26 - 45:27)
Okay, so And I

[Speaker 6] (45:27 - 45:33)
and uh also it helps uh when it comes to the delivery portion

[Speaker 6] (45:34 - 45:41)
in this case I pretty much the schedule and tell them when to come and when not to.

[Speaker 3] (45:41 - 45:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (45:41 - 45:43)
So that there is some accommodation.

[Speaker 6] (45:44 - 45:48)
Uh, that can uh help definitely with

[Speaker 8] (45:48 - 45:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (45:48 - 45:48)
So

[Speaker 6] (45:48 - 45:49)
the cost.

[Speaker 3] (45:49 - 45:55)
so you can be flexible in terms of delivery time to not perhaps try to, you know, mitigate any concerns by the neighbourhood is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 6] (45:55 - 45:58)
Right, you know, we don't want to be an obstacle for

[Speaker 3] (45:58 - 45:58)
Of course.

[Speaker 6] (45:58 - 46:08)
the for the for the business that is, you know, looking bad within the neighbourhood. We of course want to be a good fit as we have been with the last three years.

[Speaker 6] (46:08 - 46:09)
Um

[Speaker 6] (46:10 - 46:11)
The food.

[Speaker 6] (46:11 - 46:13)
Well, right, you know.

[Speaker 3] (46:13 - 46:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (46:13 - 46:13)
And

[Speaker 3] (46:13 - 46:13)
Definitely.

[Speaker 6] (46:13 - 46:14)
and that

[Speaker 6] (46:15 - 46:17)
What he brought up about the shed,

[Speaker 6] (46:17 - 46:25)
I took that responsibility as a mistake of not reading the by-law within Swan Scout.

[Speaker 3] (46:25 - 46:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (46:25 - 46:30)
It was it wasn't far enough from the building,

[Speaker 3] (46:30 - 46:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (46:30 - 46:39)
not just because I chose to, but it was no there was no space and of course there wasn't there was not food in there.

[Speaker 6] (46:40 - 46:41)
Uh it was

[Speaker 6] (46:41 - 46:41)
or

[Speaker 3] (46:41 - 46:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (46:43 - 46:49)
What we're gonna stay we're gonna stay focused on the we're gonna stay focused on the on the on the permit right here not on on the shed

[Speaker 6] (46:49 - 46:49)
And

[Speaker 3] (46:49 - 46:50)
but

[Speaker 6] (46:50 - 46:52)
we also it's done,

[Speaker 6] (46:52 - 46:52)
so

[Speaker 3] (46:52 - 46:52)
it's

[Speaker 6] (46:52 - 46:53)
one part

[Speaker 3] (46:53 - 46:53)
done

[Speaker 6] (46:53 - 46:53)
is done

[Speaker 3] (46:53 - 46:53)
right.

[Speaker 6] (46:53 - 46:54)
and yeah.

[Speaker 3] (46:54 - 46:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (46:54 - 47:03)
So Mr. Sanchez, what what time do deliveries typically occur at your place of business at 646 Humphrey Street for

[Speaker 3] (47:04 - 47:05)
For food

[Speaker 6] (47:05 - 47:05)
For

[Speaker 3] (47:05 - 47:05)
supplies.

[Speaker 9] (47:05 - 47:05)
food.

[Speaker 6] (47:05 - 47:09)
food, so I do currently I do

[Speaker 6] (47:10 - 47:12)
At restaurant depot. So Mm I

[Speaker 3] (47:12 - 47:12)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (47:12 - 47:14)
don't get deliveries with

[Speaker 9] (47:14 - 47:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (47:14 - 47:20)
meaning from a different company with big trucks and stuff like I have a pickup truck. I

[Speaker 3] (47:20 - 47:21)
So you get it yourself.

[Speaker 6] (47:21 - 47:21)
times three

[Speaker 3] (47:21 - 47:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (47:22 - 47:23)
times a week to restaurant depot

[Speaker 3] (47:23 - 47:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (47:25 - 47:26)
You know, it's it's a pickup truck.

[Speaker 3] (47:27 - 47:27)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (47:27 - 47:31)
Got it. And then and then how would you know, how would you envision the the alcohol,

[Speaker 9] (47:31 - 47:33)
the beer deliveries working?

[Speaker 9] (47:33 - 47:35)
Would that be a similar matter?

[Speaker 3] (47:35 - 47:35)
During

[Speaker 9] (47:35 - 47:35)
Would you

[Speaker 3] (47:35 - 47:35)
the

[Speaker 9] (47:35 - 47:35)
would

[Speaker 3] (47:35 - 47:35)
day.

[Speaker 9] (47:35 - 47:38)
you also pick would you also pick those up? Would you have

[Speaker 6] (47:38 - 47:38)
Uh

[Speaker 9] (47:38 - 47:38)
the that

[Speaker 6] (47:38 - 47:38)
no,

[Speaker 9] (47:38 - 47:39)
delivery?

[Speaker 6] (47:39 - 47:39)
uh

[Speaker 3] (47:39 - 47:39)
You can't.

[Speaker 6] (47:39 - 47:40)
according to the ABC

[Speaker 3] (47:40 - 47:40)
You

[Speaker 6] (47:40 - 47:41)
see it I'm not allowed,

[Speaker 3] (47:41 - 47:41)
can't.

[Speaker 4] (47:41 - 47:41)
You

[Speaker 6] (47:41 - 47:41)
simply.

[Speaker 4] (47:41 - 47:42)
can't, you're not allowed

[Speaker 9] (47:42 - 47:42)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (47:42 - 47:42)
to.

[Speaker 6] (47:42 - 47:43)
I have

[Speaker 9] (47:43 - 47:43)
I'm just.

[Speaker 6] (47:43 - 47:47)
right, I have to buy from certified supplier.

[Speaker 3] (47:47 - 47:47)
You have a license to get this.

[Speaker 3] (47:48 - 47:48)
I'll see you.

[Speaker 6] (47:48 - 47:51)
Right, which again um you know

[Speaker 6] (47:52 - 48:01)
They are trucks, yes, but not not eighteen wheelers. And um we we are the ones who tell them when to come.

[Speaker 3] (48:01 - 48:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (48:01 - 48:06)
Got it. So you would anticipate one delivery a week, two deliveries a week?

[Speaker 6] (48:06 - 48:07)
At the most two.

[Speaker 9] (48:07 - 48:08)
Two, okay.

[Speaker 1] (48:10 - 48:19)
Um well I have a concern. Um he um has a space in front of his building and he's got like um some lattice and stuff and he

[Speaker 3] (48:19 - 48:19)
kind Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (48:19 - 48:19)
of

[Speaker 1] (48:20 - 48:27)
He moved the um the lattice out like into the front of the building like in invading the parking lot area.

[Speaker 1] (48:28 - 48:40)
And it's like a little corner in the square, and you know I guess you spoke if if I get this correct, you gotta put tables out there and have drinks out there. Well in front of that building there's a fire lane

[Speaker 3] (48:41 - 48:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (48:41 - 48:43)
that he's taken over,

[Speaker 1] (48:44 - 48:45)
a portion of that.

[Speaker 1] (48:46 - 49:07)
and then that corner and so that's a red flag in my opinion and also to address what he said I worked up at seaboard delivering beer in the winter times all the trucks are 18 wheelers all of them all of them in the fleet are 18 wheels all of them have a trailer in the back of them

[Speaker 1] (49:09 - 49:09)
I

[Speaker 3] (49:09 - 49:09)
I've

[Speaker 1] (49:09 - 49:09)
worked

[Speaker 3] (49:09 - 49:09)
seen

[Speaker 1] (49:09 - 49:09)
at for

[Speaker 3] (49:09 - 49:12)
some for a little g that deliver alcohol that aren't 18,

[Speaker 3] (49:12 - 49:13)
just personally.

[Speaker 1] (49:13 - 49:18)
I'm just telling you, it is no guarantee that a small truck's gonna come there,

[Speaker 3] (49:18 - 49:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (49:18 - 49:21)
you know what I'm saying, you know, what he says is...

[Speaker 1] (49:21 - 49:39)
You know, I see it seen from experience working so so when he comes when the truck comes in and that 18 wheeler or whatever truck you come into and it's going to do the swing he's got his lattice and his little play area they have to have drinks and stuff and they're going to need every inch of the parking lot to swing the truck.

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:46)
And he's got he's got up tables out there in the parking lot,

[Speaker 1] (49:47 - 49:49)
s in their way

[Speaker 2] (49:49 - 49:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (49:50 - 49:52)
blocking a fire lane. And I'm like,

[Speaker 2] (49:52 - 49:57)
Do we have a plot plan or some type of plan to visualize where its tables are or what the outside looks like?

[Speaker 3] (49:57 - 50:00)
You could see if you drive by there like

[Speaker 2] (50:00 - 50:01)
Is it in a fire lane?

[Speaker 3] (50:01 - 50:14)
Well, I was just going to say to Marissa, if we could just get um some information back whether he's in compliance with his outdoor dining. I know we have in the past had restaurants that were on sidewalks and

[Speaker 4] (50:14 - 50:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (50:14 - 50:15)
taking up

[Speaker 3] (50:15 - 50:16)
parking lots

[Speaker 5] (50:16 - 50:16)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (50:16 - 50:16)
we

[Speaker 6] (50:16 - 50:16)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (50:16 - 50:16)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (50:16 - 50:19)
face and other variances that we I don't I wouldn't call them variances,

[Speaker 2] (50:19 - 50:19)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (50:19 - 50:20)
but other

[Speaker 2] (50:20 - 50:20)
variances,

[Speaker 3] (50:20 - 50:20)
uh accommodations

[Speaker 2] (50:20 - 50:21)
yes.

[Speaker 5] (50:21 - 50:21)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (50:21 - 50:23)
that it allowed for outdoor dining. So just

[Speaker 3] (50:23 - 50:25)
making sure that he is

[Speaker 2] (50:25 - 50:30)
It's also a separate topic. So right now we are talking about a liquor permit strictly Totally short-term

[Speaker 3] (50:30 - 50:30)
understood,

[Speaker 2] (50:30 - 50:30)
indoors

[Speaker 3] (50:30 - 50:31)
what I was saying if

[Speaker 2] (50:31 - 50:31)
and then

[Speaker 3] (50:31 - 50:34)
if she could bring that back to to let email us some other time to let us

[Speaker 6] (50:34 - 50:41)
Yeah, I certainly can. Yeah. I I will say this is a private property we're talking about that's set pretty far back from Humphrey Street because it does have a giant parking lot.

[Speaker 6] (50:41 - 50:49)
want in front of it so I'm not I'll be honest I might have to look in a little more to what would the restrictions are with like putting outdoor tables over there with respect to maintaining

[Speaker 3] (50:49 - 50:49)
Well, the

[Speaker 6] (50:49 - 50:51)
access to a fire lane and everything but

[Speaker 3] (50:51 - 50:56)
good news is this particular liquor permit does not serve alcoholic beverage outside so that's a move point for

[Speaker 2] (50:56 - 50:56)
this Right.

[Speaker 3] (50:56 - 50:59)
movie before if he modified the permit to include outdoor dining.

[Speaker 2] (50:59 - 51:00)
Right, right.

[Speaker 2] (51:00 - 51:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (51:00 - 51:10)
Right and I do want to make one clarification with respect to the daycare that is in that plaza daycares are essentially allowed to exist anywhere they don't as a use they don't have

[Speaker 6] (51:10 - 51:33)
have to conform to any any special zoning districts they're exempt under what's called the Dover Amendment so if Mr. Sanchez already had let's say a liquor license operating out of his business the daycare could move in there tomorrow and and that would be okay this is a situation where we're having the reverse but it one really can operate without the other they're not so

[Speaker 2] (51:33 - 51:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (51:34 - 51:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (51:34 - 51:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (51:35 - 51:36)
So...

[Speaker 7] (51:38 - 51:40)
Can we take a vote? Does anybody have any more questions?

[Speaker 3] (51:41 - 51:42)
No, did we already motion about

[Speaker 8] (51:42 - 51:42)
Yeah, we motioned

[Speaker 7] (51:42 - 51:43)
We did motion,

[Speaker 8] (51:43 - 51:43)
about the second reading.

[Speaker 7] (51:43 - 51:45)
alright. Second. Okay, so all in favour?

[Speaker 8] (51:45 - 51:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (51:45 - 51:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (51:46 - 51:47)
Aye. Motion carries.

[Speaker 1] (51:47 - 51:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (51:48 - 51:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (51:48 - 51:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (51:49 - 51:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (51:49 - 51:52)
Thank you. Okay, so for our third

[Speaker 7] (51:54 - 51:56)
um and final

[Speaker 7] (51:59 - 52:03)
We have what is the name? I don't have

[Speaker 8] (52:03 - 52:05)
Kasoom Ball, L_L_C_

[Speaker 7] (52:07 - 52:08)
Where do you have that? Oh, yes,

[Speaker 3] (52:08 - 52:08)
At the

[Speaker 7] (52:08 - 52:08)
the

[Speaker 3] (52:08 - 52:08)
bottom.

[Speaker 7] (52:08 - 52:09)
Super Bowl. I got it. LLC.

[Speaker 7] (52:10 - 52:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (52:12 - 52:12)
Just

[Speaker 9] (52:12 - 52:12)
Again,

[Speaker 7] (52:12 - 52:12)
to make

[Speaker 9] (52:12 - 52:13)
I'm telling Kevin

[Speaker 7] (52:13 - 52:13)
you're back.

[Speaker 9] (52:13 - 52:19)
Lang. This is Kevin Lang. Kevin lives on Paradise Road. He's a resident of the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 9] (52:19 - 52:22)
He's an experienced package store operator.

[Speaker 9] (52:22 - 52:26)
He has a store in Redding. He has one in the Fenway in Boston.

[Speaker 9] (52:27 - 52:34)
He's been approved by the ABCC for other locations and is a certified tips-trained manager.

[Speaker 9] (52:36 - 52:37)
It's been a long journey.

[Speaker 9] (52:38 - 52:41)
I think we were here at Christmas time, like two years ago,

[Speaker 9] (52:41 - 52:47)
when we were seeking at that point what had been a license that had been...

[Speaker 9] (52:48 - 52:50)
than the trade they call a pocket license,

[Speaker 9] (52:50 - 52:55)
and it was the site of a license that had been not exercised.

[Speaker 9] (52:56 - 53:02)
But then the decennial census allowed you to have additional package store licenses,

[Speaker 9] (53:02 - 53:04)
and the residents of the town,

[Speaker 9] (53:04 - 53:12)
I think it was the previous spring, changed a bylaw with respect to the ability of

[Speaker 9] (53:13 - 53:40)
package store at this location to be operated we went as we did with William to the Board of Appeals and got approval for the use with respect to the location and address some of these issues you've heard tonight and Kevin is more articulate than I and can speak to more he's more familiar let's say the alcoholic beverage industry than I am

[Speaker 9] (53:40 - 54:06)
him and what he hopes to do is also provide customers and the residents of the town a choice but he's looking to do a couple of things differently he's not going to sell snacks he's not going to sell cigarettes he's going to be selling higher end scale alcohol liqueurs craft beers

[Speaker 9] (54:06 - 54:14)
And so in a way he's going to hopefully carve out a niche for this package store unlike the present package stores,

[Speaker 9] (54:15 - 54:26)
but it gives consumers and residents the choices to not only as the price but as the quality and the kinds of products. As I say, he's a resident of the town,

[Speaker 9] (54:26 - 54:27)
he saw this opportunity,

[Speaker 9] (54:28 - 54:33)
he's been pursuing it diligently and the residents of the town...

[Speaker 9] (54:33 - 54:42)
helped afford them the opportunity when they addressed the town meeting a change in their zoning bylaw which then made this possible.

[Speaker 9] (54:43 - 55:00)
It's going to make a substantial investment at this location and as I say he's an experienced operator who lives in your town and what I think would make another welcomed new business for the town and for its residents.

[Speaker 9] (55:00 - 55:02)
Why don't you tell them about the products? I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (55:03 - 55:03)
That's okay.

[Speaker 8] (55:05 - 55:20)
Hi how are you doing? My name is Kevin Lang. I'm living at 280 Paradise in Swampscott. I have been operating the um liquor business probably twenty year plus. Uh also I have location in Fenway and I have another location in Reading.

[Speaker 11] (55:20 - 55:39)
And we'll pursue try to get another locations here. And mostly product that we gonna carry here is the high-end product or lot of I_P_A_ and a lot of high bourbon that um the neighbourhood might need. So mostly we uh target on the high, high-end stuff.

[Speaker 7] (55:42 - 55:44)
Do we have anyone here for public comment?

[Speaker 7] (55:46 - 55:47)
Mister Delisio?

[Speaker 7] (55:47 - 55:48)
Come on back.

[Speaker 7] (55:53 - 55:53)
DePetro.

[Speaker 7] (55:55 - 55:57)
I called you Mr. Delisio. I'm sorry about that, Mr.

[Speaker 7] (55:57 - 55:57)
DePetro.

[Speaker 1] (56:00 - 56:06)
Basically, basically it's the same thing I said from from the last I don't wanna go over it again, but

[Speaker 1] (56:07 - 56:18)
one thing I do have a little bit of concerns is having a having a liquor store there is um is a daycare well you know fifty feet from there and it just seems like um

[Speaker 1] (56:19 - 56:26)
You know, having a daycare centre and a liquor store right next to each other and the park and the kids and stuff like that, I just think it's um

[Speaker 1] (56:27 - 56:37)
not appropriate, you know. And I think uh you know people coming in at, you know, at night, you know, looking to buy booze and stuff and kids playing in the park and,

[Speaker 1] (56:38 - 56:45)
you know, I just think it's uh in the I just think it's not uh a good area for having a a liquor store.

[Speaker 1] (56:46 - 56:50)
and then also the concerns of what I said before with the deliveries of course.

[Speaker 1] (56:51 - 56:59)
And so I don't want to, so I just wanted to bring those things up, you know, again and um if they say they're gonna do the deliveries in the front,

[Speaker 1] (57:00 - 57:07)
uh I hope that it's gonna be enforced, you know. Um I don't want to have to come out there and say

[Speaker 1] (57:08 - 57:11)
you know don't do it, you know, because you know

[Speaker 1] (57:12 - 57:36)
I've um I've had some meetings with the town with some be it's a different issue but I just want to say that I uh had some things where they were doing some building in on my street and some renovations in the town made some promises and I addressed it with the um building inspector and and I won't go into it but he just told me basically I got duped.

[Speaker 1] (57:37 - 57:49)
That's what a quote the building inspector told me. And so I don't want to stand here and you guys say that you're going to do something and then, you know, six months later down the road someone's going to tell me I got duped again.

[Speaker 1] (57:50 - 57:58)
And it's a little neighborhood and I've lived there all my life except for four years. I'm 62 years old. I've been living there for 58 years.

[Speaker 1] (57:59 - 58:01)
And to see

[Speaker 1] (58:02 - 58:15)
What was there in 1986 and there was supposed to be no food and stuff and to what it's being now and for me to sit there and defend my property and sit there and say, you know,

[Speaker 1] (58:15 - 58:17)
where's our integrity?

[Speaker 1] (58:17 - 58:20)
You know, you say you're going to do something in 1986,

[Speaker 1] (58:20 - 58:30)
you say you're going to do something here and then everybody just takes all their idea, all their bylaws and stuff and they just throw it all away and then here I am sitting there like, this is my home.

[Speaker 1] (58:31 - 58:36)
And I can't, you know, people coming in at eight or nine o'clock at night, you know, looking for booze and alcohol.

[Speaker 1] (58:37 - 58:38)
There's a park across the street.

[Speaker 1] (58:39 - 58:41)
There's kids in the store across the street.

[Speaker 1] (58:41 - 58:44)
There's a daycare center there during the day.

[Speaker 1] (58:44 - 58:48)
And I, you know, I know what kind of people walking in and out of liquor stores.

[Speaker 1] (58:49 - 58:51)
And I can make judgment.

[Speaker 1] (58:52 - 59:00)
And I just think you should think about that too under the consideration what the landscape around that building is and what's going in and out of it and what's around it.

[Speaker 1] (59:01 - 59:03)
So I just want to just clarify that.

[Speaker 7] (59:05 - 59:05)
Thank you, Mr.

[Speaker 7] (59:06 - 59:08)
DiPietro. Does anybody have any questions for Mr. DiPietro?

[Speaker 2] (59:08 - 59:15)
I do. I think it raises a good point for this business owner, specifically with its location across from Phillips Park.

[Speaker 2] (59:17 - 59:19)
What kind of safeguards and

[Speaker 2] (59:20 - 59:33)
preventative measures are you prepared to to put in place to make sure that underage drinking or you know anything like that have you do you have experience with that type of situation and how would you address something like that being in the area that you're looking to be in

[Speaker 2] (59:34 - 59:36)
So why do we address that?

[Speaker 3] (59:36 - 59:36)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (59:36 - 59:37)
Do you have to have a problem?

[Speaker 3] (59:37 - 59:39)
Kevin, would you mind taking the mic?

[Speaker 3] (59:39 - 59:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (59:41 - 59:51)
So where are we gonna address that? We're gonna buy the uh equipment on that, which is you can slide through it, it will show you if you're not old enough you cannot. Which is you're very strict on that

[Speaker 1] (59:51 - 59:52)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (59:52 - 59:53)
on every location.

[Speaker 1] (59:53 - 59:53)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (59:53 - 59:56)
Because the design is very very

[Speaker 1] (59:56 - 59:58)
And all your employees are obviously trained to

[Speaker 4] (59:58 - 59:59)
All trained, yes.

[Speaker 1] (59:59 - 1:00:00)
Mm-hmm. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:03 - 1:00:04)
David do you have any questions?

[Speaker 5] (1:00:05 - 1:00:06)
No ma'am.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:06 - 1:00:06)
Katie?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:07 - 1:00:11)
Um the only question that I have is on deliveries.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:12 - 1:00:14)
As far as getting your product in the door?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:14 - 1:00:20)
So you understand that you have to use the front door? And then what about the scheduling of deliveries?

[Speaker 4] (1:00:20 - 1:00:25)
Schedule is we can go by whatever the town looking for or the neighbor looking for.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:25 - 1:00:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:25 - 1:00:30)
Let's say the neighbor said okay don't deliver it from nine to noon,

[Speaker 4] (1:00:30 - 1:00:32)
we tell them not to come that time.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:32 - 1:00:34)
We can tell the company to come anytime.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:34 - 1:00:37)
It's up to us. So we're going to hear from the neighbor,

[Speaker 4] (1:00:37 - 1:00:38)
whatever the neighbor require,

[Speaker 4] (1:00:38 - 1:00:40)
we'll follow through that.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:41 - 1:00:43)
Anything neighbor one will follow through.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:43 - 1:00:45)
Is that something we have to put on this license right here?

[Speaker 6] (1:00:46 - 1:00:48)
I don't believe so,

[Speaker 6] (1:00:48 - 1:00:54)
but I don't know that there's any way that we can condition a license.

[Speaker 6] (1:00:54 - 1:00:56)
I can look into it.

[Speaker 6] (1:00:57 - 1:01:00)
I'll admit this is my first liquor license since I took this over.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:00 - 1:01:02)
Considering we don't condition it for any other

[Speaker 6] (1:01:02 - 1:01:02)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:01:02 - 1:01:02)
business,

[Speaker 6] (1:01:02 - 1:01:02)
I can't,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:02 - 1:01:03)
I don't know that it would be appropriate

[Speaker 6] (1:01:03 - 1:01:04)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:04 - 1:01:04)
to do here.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:04 - 1:01:05)
I mean,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:05 - 1:01:05)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:01:05 - 1:01:05)
I could

[Speaker 1] (1:01:05 - 1:01:12)
I do appreciate your flexibility and because we already know that there's a resident that has concerns. So I appreciate your, your

[Speaker 4] (1:01:12 - 1:01:13)
I'm very flexibility concerned also

[Speaker 1] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
in

[Speaker 4] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
because I

[Speaker 1] (1:01:13 - 1:01:14)
doing that.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:14 - 1:01:15)
live in the town

[Speaker 1] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
also.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:15 - 1:01:16)
of course, and that's

[Speaker 4] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
even

[Speaker 4] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
I've been

[Speaker 1] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
more

[Speaker 4] (1:01:16 - 1:01:17)
in business

[Speaker 1] (1:01:17 - 1:01:17)
of for a.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:17 - 1:01:18)
a long time.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:18 - 1:01:19)
Every location we'll go to,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:20 - 1:01:21)
we'll talk to the neighbor,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:21 - 1:01:22)
we'll find out what we can.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:23 - 1:01:25)
accommodate with the neighbor would do anything the

[Speaker 1] (1:01:25 - 1:01:25)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:25 - 1:01:28)
neighbor looking for that's what we therefore if

[Speaker 1] (1:01:28 - 1:01:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:28 - 1:01:30)
you don't have the neighbor you don't have the business

[Speaker 1] (1:01:30 - 1:01:30)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:30 - 1:01:35)
you have to take take care of the neighbor that's the most important for our business and

[Speaker 1] (1:01:35 - 1:01:35)
That's good to

[Speaker 4] (1:01:35 - 1:01:36)
nobody

[Speaker 1] (1:01:36 - 1:01:36)
hear.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:36 - 1:01:42)
out of town come here and pushes that product it's only our neighbor so if you're good with the neighbor everything solved

[Speaker 1] (1:01:42 - 1:01:43)
That's a great point.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:44 - 1:01:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:44 - 1:01:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:45 - 1:01:45)
What Katie? you want?

[Speaker 6] (1:01:45 - 1:01:53)
I was just going to say I think to your point if we've done this in the past we had similar conversations related to dockside and its proximity to the neighbors and some noise concerns,

[Speaker 6] (1:01:54 - 1:02:04)
delivery concerns. We didn't condition the permit upon that but we did voice our concerns to the proprietor and say we need you to be neighborly and work with the neighborhood.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:04 - 1:02:07)
Yes there has been some growing pains like you know but I think that.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:08 - 1:02:13)
They've resolved themselves in that the proprietor, he's also a resident

[Speaker 1] (1:02:13 - 1:02:14)
A town resident.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:14 - 1:02:17)
of the town and feels the same way of what you just said,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:17 - 1:02:22)
which is, you know, we're here because this is our home too and we want to be good.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:22 - 1:02:25)
We certainly don't want to start off with the assumption that you're going to error,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:25 - 1:02:25)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:02:25 - 1:02:26)
So we want to give you a chance and assume

[Speaker 6] (1:02:26 - 1:02:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:27 - 1:02:31)
that you're going to do the right thing. I trust that you will until I have reason to think otherwise.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:31 - 1:02:33)
You could trust me a hundred percent on these.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:34 - 1:02:35)
I have a young kid myself.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:36 - 1:02:37)
Well, if not, we know where to find you.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:37 - 1:02:38)
We do know.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:38 - 1:02:43)
And there were a lot of other conditions too that were imposed by the Board of Appeals when they did come for their special permit.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:43 - 1:02:50)
So any of those conditions can be enforced by the building department. And so we have a mechanism in place for making sure that those are adhered to as well.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:50 - 1:03:00)
And we also have the ability to come back and make changes to a license. We haven't had to do that, but we do have it. So it's great to hear that you're going to

[Speaker 3] (1:03:00 - 1:03:05)
interact with the neighbors and so with that if we have no more questions can we have a motion to approve

[Speaker 2] (1:03:05 - 1:03:06)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:06 - 1:03:07)
second all

[Speaker 1] (1:03:07 - 1:03:08)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:08 - 1:03:08)
in favor

[Speaker 1] (1:03:09 - 1:03:09)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:09 - 1:03:10)
aye motion carries.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:10 - 1:03:11)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:11 - 1:03:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:11 - 1:03:12)
Good luck.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:12 - 1:03:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:14 - 1:03:20)
Okay, so if we can go to the first reading possible vote on the new special events

[Speaker 3] (1:03:21 - 1:03:24)
facility neighborhood block party road race application guidelines.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:34 - 1:03:36)
Gino, you wanna who's taking this?

[Speaker 3] (1:03:39 - 1:03:40)
Merced, is this yours? Or

[Speaker 1] (1:03:40 - 1:03:41)
No, but it's mine.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:41 - 1:03:41)
Diane,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:41 - 1:03:42)
It's not in

[Speaker 3] (1:03:42 - 1:03:42)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:42 - 1:03:42)
the box.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:42 - 1:03:43)
It's uh

[Speaker 2] (1:03:43 - 1:03:43)
Uh yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:43 - 1:03:45)
uh it says new app.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:45 - 1:03:45)
New app.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:45 - 1:03:45)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:45 - 1:03:46)
Oh, apps.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:46 - 1:03:46)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:46 - 1:03:48)
Yeah, it says new app. Got it.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:50 - 1:03:51)
One three.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:00 - 1:04:00)
You ready?

[Speaker 3] (1:04:00 - 1:04:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:00 - 1:04:01)
I'm waiting.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:04 - 1:04:05)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:05 - 1:04:07)
Oh, back in the, I don't know, maybe the fall,

[Speaker 8] (1:04:07 - 1:04:09)
Penelope and I talked about renewing

[Speaker 3] (1:04:09 - 1:04:09)
No, for the

[Speaker 8] (1:04:09 - 1:04:09)
the

[Speaker 3] (1:04:09 - 1:04:10)
name for

[Speaker 8] (1:04:10 - 1:04:10)
applications

[Speaker 3] (1:04:10 - 1:04:10)
that one.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:10 - 1:04:12)
for

[Speaker 1] (1:04:12 - 1:04:12)
Wait, hold on.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:12 - 1:04:13)
block parties.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:14 - 1:04:25)
That then morphed into special events as well as facility use such as the Tahoe Purple Line. Um and talking to the chief, Chief Posada,

[Speaker 8] (1:04:25 - 1:04:29)
Janelle and the chief, the chief really felt strongly we need to put some guidelines.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:29 - 1:04:32)
On the events, he, I'm sorry, thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:32 - 1:04:50)
He doesn't feel that, he didn't feel that the current applications had enough guidelines and he had some safety concerns. So that's what you see in there. The application is basically the same, the first two pages, but it it's the guidelines from Chief Cassata that we need to review and approve.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:51 - 1:04:55)
So this has been created in consultation with Chief Archer, Chief Casada,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:56 - 1:05:05)
the rec department um as well. So kind of a meeting of the minds because and it was started by the by Chief Casada at his request.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:05 - 1:05:06)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:06 - 1:05:07)
Diane did a lot of work.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:08 - 1:05:09)
So thank you, Diane, for that.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:10 - 1:05:14)
So I look through and everything looks fine to me. I mean.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:15 - 1:05:16)
I don't know we

[Speaker 1] (1:05:16 - 1:05:19)
It's kind of like a one page where it gives signoffs for

[Speaker 3] (1:05:19 - 1:05:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:20 - 1:05:32)
different departments so that everybody's on the same page when something's happening and there isn't a, you know, chance for things to, you know, slip through the cracks. Everybody knows when an event is happening in town and can sign off and everybody's aware.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:34 - 1:05:42)
Okay, so um our options here are to I mean we've had it. I d I'm not sure how

[Speaker 3] (1:05:42 - 1:05:46)
you folks feel about voting on this. I would be fine with voting on this tonight,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:46 - 1:05:52)
only because I think things are going to be starting up quick and it's gonna help recreation out right away.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:52 - 1:05:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:54 - 1:05:56)
I would be fine with that. I've seen it though.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:56 - 1:05:58)
So in fairness if anyone has it.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:58 - 1:05:59)
David, do you have an opinion

[Speaker 2] (1:05:59 - 1:06:00)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:06:00 - 1:06:00)
on that?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:00 - 1:06:04)
have no issues. I think it's it's fine with my read.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:04 - 1:06:06)
Okay, so can we have a motion to approve?

[Speaker 3] (1:06:07 - 1:06:08)
Motion to approve?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:08 - 1:06:09)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:09 - 1:06:10)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:10 - 1:06:10)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:10 - 1:06:12)
Aye aye. Okay, motion carries.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:13 - 1:06:16)
Alright so now we'll go to the joint meeting of the retirement board.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:17 - 1:06:21)
Is the retirement board here? I think they're in the hall.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:26 - 1:06:28)
Is everybody in the hall? Do we have the retirement board?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:29 - 1:06:30)
Yeah. I just had a...

[Speaker 3] (1:06:31 - 1:06:31)
You had a meeting?

[Speaker 3] (1:06:33 - 1:06:36)
Okay so do you want to call that retirement board? You got

[Speaker 2] (1:06:54 - 1:07:00)
uh special meeting of uh meeting in joint with the selectmen and the board of selectmen motion?

[Speaker 9] (1:07:01 - 1:07:02)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:03 - 1:07:05)
Move uh moved by Kevin Breen, seconded by?

[Speaker 9] (1:07:05 - 1:07:06)
John.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
Uh

[Speaker 3] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
Um.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:07 - 1:07:10)
all those in favour? Driskill aye.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:10 - 1:07:11)
John Day and I.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:14 - 1:07:15)
I think Kevin's voting aye too.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:15 - 1:07:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:16 - 1:07:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:17 - 1:07:18)
Alright good.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:19 - 1:07:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:19 - 1:07:21)
Well it's not the retirement board, it's the old guys.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:23 - 1:07:27)
Madam Chairwoman and members of the Board of Selectmen, may I have a select board? May I begin?

[Speaker 3] (1:07:27 - 1:07:28)
Please.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:28 - 1:07:29)
It's nice to see you again.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:30 - 1:07:42)
Sometimes I do feel it's like Groundhog Day, but we're here again to see you and I hope that you did have a chance to see the slide presentation that I thought would be best to get to you in advance.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:42 - 1:07:44)
My plan is to just give you some opening remarks.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:45 - 1:08:10)
You can go through the the um slide presentation and really encourage you instead of sitting back and waiting that just see something ask something it's just easier that way. Um and so we're here today uh respect we request that we have once again going to town meeting for an increase of the cola base from fourteen thousand to eighteen thousand. Um and

[Speaker 11] (1:08:09 - 1:08:13)
and we're hoping to have the select board's support of that.

[Speaker 11] (1:08:13 - 1:08:15)
The key argument behind this

[Speaker 11] (1:08:16 - 1:08:37)
is really our improved financial position. Our retirement system is funded as a funded ratio has increased by 31% since 2017 and now exceeds the state average of 75.3%. The significant improvement demonstrates our responsible fiscal management and creates the financial capacity to support our retirees better.

[Speaker 11] (1:08:39 - 1:08:51)
The competitive disadvantage Swampscott's current cola base of $14,000 is $1,538 below the state average of all other systems of $15,538.

[Speaker 11] (1:08:52 - 1:09:03)
Of the 104 public employee retirement systems in Massachusetts, only 23 systems are at our current level, while 63 systems have a higher cola basis.

[Speaker 11] (1:09:04 - 1:09:08)
This puts our retirees at a disadvantage compared to their peers across the state.

[Speaker 11] (1:09:09 - 1:09:11)
We also talked about declining purchase power.

[Speaker 11] (1:09:12 - 1:09:21)
Retirees who were at the cola base in fiscal year 2022 have lost $840 in purchasing power due to inflation.

[Speaker 11] (1:09:21 - 1:09:25)
To maintain in the same standard of living as of July 2021,

[Speaker 11] (1:09:27 - 1:09:29)
the base would actually need to be 16.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:33 - 1:09:40)
Our retirees, particularly the 56 retirees we have who are earning $14,000 or less per year,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:40 - 1:09:42)
have been especially impacted by this loss.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:43 - 1:09:45)
In order to understand historical context,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:45 - 1:09:47)
prior to 2021 increase,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:48 - 1:09:52)
the COLA base remained unchanged for nine years since 2012.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:52 - 1:10:01)
Additionally, Swamp Scott was one of only 10 communities out of 104 systems that did not grant the additional one-time 2% pandemic COLA increase.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:03 - 1:10:04)
Our funding date,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:04 - 1:10:05)
responsible planning.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:07 - 1:10:25)
Because our funds are dated among roughly a third of the systems with funding dates of 2032 or less. So we're in a minority. We are holding fast to a funding schedule that will get us fully funded earlier than most.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:27 - 1:10:41)
There are things we could explore such options such as using two million from a one-time funds to offset the ability to increase our spreading the cost over multiple years other things as we go forward in this in our funding schedule.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:42 - 1:10:52)
This increase represents not just a fiscal financial decision but a moral commitment to those who are dedicated who have dedicated their careers to serving Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:53 - 1:10:58)
All three triggers we did establish in 2021's town meeting have been met.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:59 - 1:11:07)
We have, by creating both a fiscal justification and ethical obligation to increase the COLA base to $18,000.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:07 - 1:11:14)
This increase would help our retirees maintain their standard of living while keeping our retirement system on solid financial footing.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:15 - 1:11:29)
I will point out that I also personally one thing that always strikes me as having been on this board for 30 years we talk about different groups in the town of Swampscott and amongst our residents if you ever took a look at the roster

[Speaker 1] (1:11:29 - 1:11:33)
of retirees that were in our system and the employees.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:34 - 1:11:38)
It always amazes me that the names, and maybe I'm triggered tonight by Mr.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:39 - 1:11:48)
DiPietro being up there, and Gino I will attest that our whole roster is just names, names of people in Swampscot, but more importantly,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:48 - 1:11:50)
they remain in Swampscot.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:51 - 1:11:53)
Their children remain in Swampscot.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:54 - 1:11:57)
Their grandkids are in Swampscott. There's something about Swampscott town employees,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:57 - 1:12:01)
I know it's very difficult today for them to be able to afford to live in this town,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:01 - 1:12:12)
but people who have that really feel like they bond and there's the connection to our retired town employees is really incredible to see and I really one of the reasons I do enjoy this.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:13 - 1:12:16)
So right now we'll go to questions,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:17 - 1:12:20)
we'll go to the videotaping of the slides.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:21 - 1:12:23)
Currently our funding status,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:23 - 1:12:34)
funded status of 75.9%, as you see that increase in 2017, we were down at 53.5%. So there's been a pretty significant increase.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:34 - 1:12:40)
And again, I think our last one you kind of lobbed between there in 2021, 2022.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:41 - 1:12:42)
Just go ahead now.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:44 - 1:12:45)
Our funding ratio,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:45 - 1:12:47)
I got to look at this because my...

[Speaker 1] (1:12:48 - 1:12:51)
my eyes aren't good enough to see that yes

[Speaker 2] (1:12:51 - 1:12:52)
We're right in the middle.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:53 - 1:13:15)
funding ratios it just shows that of all the systems we're right there in the middle of the 70% to 80% so there are there are quite a number of systems in the state that are not in the position we are of course there's always going to be some that are better and there's various reasons for that much of which is committed by those cities towns

[Speaker 1] (1:13:16 - 1:13:23)
To actually be more aggressive in their past funding schedules and commitments by the town in terms of where this money is paid.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:25 - 1:13:31)
The cola base was below the state average, as I said in the presentation,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:31 - 1:13:38)
which this just clearly shows that the $14,000 of 2024 is now $15,000 of 2016

[Speaker 3] (1:13:41 - 1:13:43)
Should be 15.9.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:45)
50 that's the average I can't.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:45 - 1:13:46)
So the average is $15.09?

[Speaker 5] (1:13:47 - 1:13:48)
$15,598.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:48 - 1:13:56)
Yeah if you take all the communities the ones that have not gone up at all to we actually found found this one community that went up to $30,000 as we found out recently.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:56 - 1:13:58)
Montague, I don't even know where it is.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:59 - 1:14:00)
Western.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:00 - 1:14:00)
Next.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:01 - 1:14:07)
The COLA base of bases as of April 2025.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:08 - 1:14:09)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:09 - 1:14:11)
John, you want to just tell me another one?

[Speaker 3] (1:14:11 - 1:14:16)
Yeah, just on the bottom, the bottom gives you all the numbers, and this gives you

[Speaker 1] (1:14:16 - 1:14:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:16 - 1:14:16)
writing.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:16 - 1:14:37)
these are the breakdown of the numbers of the of the different communities of 104 systems. I say communities, but always remember there's water and sewer commissions, there's um the state fund and and things like that. So that we are again in that middle range um and that's kind of where we've been. Uh one of the things that I think is important for us

[Speaker 1] (1:14:38 - 1:14:53)
people are like, why are you asking for eighteen thousand? Um for me, um I think probably seeing me as often as you do here uh realise that when we come back, we take these you know significant breaks in in raising our our cola base.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:53 - 1:14:53)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:53 - 1:15:04)
Um and really under the leadership of Bob Powell, who I believe is on the Excella quiet train listening to us, he's in one of his way up from New York. Um really under his

[Speaker 1] (1:15:05 - 1:15:06)
Not negotiation,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:07 - 1:15:15)
but really getting to these trigger marks and setting up the triggers really was a finally a breakthrough for I think select board,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:15 - 1:15:21)
finance committees and ourselves to say okay, because we all get together and throw these numbers out,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:21 - 1:15:27)
but the reality is they really set for us goals to come back so you're not coming back every year.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:27 - 1:15:31)
The fact of the matter is we have six years left on our funding schedule.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:33 - 1:15:35)
Going this route of adding,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:35 - 1:15:37)
adding, coming back, coming back,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:37 - 1:15:46)
giving the proofs to 18,000 at this point would allow us time to an actuarial, and our abilities to invest,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:46 - 1:15:47)
and our performance,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:48 - 1:15:49)
which is done quite well,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:49 - 1:15:52)
to help spread that over that time period.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:52 - 1:15:54)
Once you get to the end of your funding schedule,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:54 - 1:16:00)
it doesn't mean I always think people in Swampsville thinks it's going to go to zero. You have your operating budget every year,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:01 - 1:16:01)
which will be.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:02 - 1:16:03)
a million or

[Speaker 3] (1:16:03 - 1:16:04)
1

[Speaker 1] (1:16:04 - 1:16:04)
what do you call it

[Speaker 3] (1:16:04 - 1:16:06)
.4 is your normal cost.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:06 - 1:16:22)
so that anytime you tried to raise a cola then you'd just be like boom boom boom increasing it with no ability to smooth it out no ability to really factor in our success with our investment advisors and making making our 7%

[Speaker 1] (1:16:23 - 1:16:37)
return seven percent return is the standard one the standards in the state we're about in the middle on that we've done a great job we've taken on new a new consulting company in the last two year last year who really kind of

[Speaker 1] (1:16:38 - 1:16:41)
We kind of shook it up a little bit. We weren't doing badly,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:41 - 1:16:49)
but we weren't doing what we want. We want to do better and we're making some changes and I think, Madam Chairwoman, you're at a meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:49 - 1:16:59)
It's pretty interactive for us to sit there and really map out our strategies and we think we're well on our way to really having some.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:00 - 1:17:01)
Some great success,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:01 - 1:17:02)
and again,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:02 - 1:17:04)
the market is the market.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:04 - 1:17:11)
Some people will say to me, well, how much money did you lose, you know, did the fund lose this week?

[Speaker 1] (1:17:11 - 1:17:15)
The reality is it's never what the money lost is, it's the value.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:16 - 1:17:19)
And we've weathered every storm, we've had several,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:19 - 1:17:20)
John and I,

[Speaker 3] (1:17:20 - 1:17:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:20 - 1:17:21)
during our 33 years,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:21 - 1:17:23)
and you know, it's...

[Speaker 1] (1:17:24 - 1:17:36)
Politically, whether they how they feel politically what's going on nationally in the back we tend to always write it out and get back into into a position that will move forward and meet our 7%

[Speaker 1] (1:17:37 - 1:17:44)
Some years we'll make 10 some years it will be 5-5, but it's we really have been confident but hitting that 7%

[Speaker 3] (1:17:46 - 1:17:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:46 - 1:17:47)
Right away.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:47 - 1:17:52)
So if I could just jump in for a second. We have a couple examples of that because everybody says,

[Speaker 3] (1:17:52 - 1:17:53)
you know, when the sky falls down,

[Speaker 3] (1:17:53 - 1:17:55)
what's your plan and everything else?

[Speaker 3] (1:17:55 - 1:17:58)
So we're going to show you some of the history in one of the slides,

[Speaker 3] (1:17:58 - 1:17:59)
you know, 2008,

[Speaker 3] (1:17:59 - 1:18:02)
some of these examples that Tom and myself have been through.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:02 - 1:18:04)
The methodology,

[Speaker 3] (1:18:04 - 1:18:13)
the six years, the reason why we want the 18,000, we're going for the 18,000 because we believe this gives us the best advantage to achieve that.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:13 - 1:18:19)
the $18,000 and also paid off because remember we would have been paid off in 2028.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:20 - 1:18:37)
Well, we extended the funding schedule to help out the time. We also did an ERR, which is early retirement incentive to get out some of the five percenters and the seven percenters. So there are four times that we extended the funding schedule to help out the town because it's a relationship,

[Speaker 3] (1:18:37 - 1:18:38)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:18:38 - 1:18:46)
We just talked about the family and that's what we're trying to do. So we're trying to make sure as fiduciaries that we do a good job.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:47 - 1:18:53)
With the money, and we get it fully funded, this, this, and then also give value for the taxpayer,

[Speaker 3] (1:18:53 - 1:18:56)
because that's what we all want. I'll turn it back over to Tom.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:57 - 1:18:58)
Go for it, Kevin.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:59 - 1:19:00)
Keep going.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:03 - 1:19:04)
Again,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:04 - 1:19:10)
this is just a quick breakdown. You've seen the 56 retirees earning less than $14,000 a year,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:10 - 1:19:13)
188 retirees earning more. Next.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:14 - 1:19:15)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:15 - 1:19:16)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:19:19 - 1:19:24)
preliminary actuarial evaluation results from Siegel were received April 25,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
we're waiting the

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:30)
Yep

[Speaker 1] (1:19:41 - 1:19:48)
Well basically what we do is we we run an actu we run on an actuarial which is done every two years by Siegel which I think you guys are familiar with.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:20:11)
one of the leading um one of the leading uh companies doing this in the w in the in the country. Uh the actuarial value value assets of them now is ninety four million two hundred and fifteen thousand nine hundred and sixty three dollars. Um the funding schedule is adopted by us it is done every two years uh and

[Speaker 1] (1:20:12 - 1:20:23)
We then, the town's obligation comes through that. All kinds of factors were put in with it uh into it and and kind of is scheduled out and that was the funding schedule. Next.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:23 - 1:20:24)
What are we doing?

[Speaker 3] (1:20:25 - 1:20:27)
Well, with respect to Siegel,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:29 - 1:20:48)
our most recent uh preliminary valuation they they uh reviewed our um investment return assumption and uh confirmed that we were on the right track at seven percent. Um

[Speaker 3] (1:20:49 - 1:20:53)
And looking at a uh ten fifteen and twenty year horizon

[Speaker 3] (1:20:54 - 1:20:58)
and we found that our seventy percent assumption was correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:59 - 1:21:00)
Um

[Speaker 3] (1:21:02 - 1:21:03)
They um

[Speaker 3] (1:21:05 - 1:21:11)
Increasing the cola base to eighteen thousand would increase the unfunded liability by approximately

[Speaker 4] (1:21:11 - 1:21:12)
Sixteen thousand

[Speaker 3] (1:21:12 - 1:21:20)
two point oh seven million dollars and increase the nominal cost by approximately forty thousand dollars.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:21 - 1:21:23)
So it the

[Speaker 5] (1:21:23 - 1:21:24)
That would take an elegant, elegant analysis.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:24 - 1:21:43)
the key point that we're we're trying to put forward here is we we're like the so the longer you push out the horizon the more actual dollars you are expending.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:43 - 1:21:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:43 - 1:21:44)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:21:44 - 1:22:07)
Um to increase the cola base to sixteen thousand, for example, from its current fourteen thousand would be roughly half of of what I just stated. So roughly um approximately one million dollars um on the total um

[Speaker 3] (1:22:08 - 1:22:14)
or a twenty thousand dollar increase on the annual cost.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:16 - 1:22:33)
The point that I think that we wanna make here is that um as as I constantly say to my fellow board members, we're a bill and I understand that. You know, we're we're just another bill that you have.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:34 - 1:22:40)
um to, you know, on top of all the discussion.

[Speaker 7] (1:22:41 - 1:22:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:41 - 1:22:45)
And so, so, so forth. Um

[Speaker 7] (1:22:45 - 1:22:46)
Oops.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:46 - 1:22:56)
but we but we are revealed. And um th there there's a cost associated with doing business and

[Speaker 7] (1:22:56 - 1:22:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:56 - 1:23:02)
um the the unfunded liability if you will represents

[Speaker 7] (1:23:02 - 1:23:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:03 - 1:23:27)
pushing off um future cost uh you know cost immediate costs into the future. And now we're in the future. So the when we talk about the unfunded liability for increasing the unfunded liability, it's because of decisions that were made in the past.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:28 - 1:23:32)
The the legislature has

[Speaker 3] (1:23:33 - 1:23:39)
made it that you should reach um fully funded at a certain point.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:39 - 1:24:01)
And we're in a good position at that point, at 2031 um and we wanna stay in that position, but we also have a requirement to push up our cola base. So it it's our fiduciary responsibility to come to you and say

[Speaker 3] (1:24:02 - 1:24:15)
Yeah, we need to we we need to increase the colour base to sixteen or eighteen. Our preference is eighteen to get it to not um

[Speaker 3] (1:24:16 - 1:24:21)
blow up the the the final cost in in the final years.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:21 - 1:24:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:21 - 1:24:23)
So um

[Speaker 1] (1:24:23 - 1:24:29)
And actually we don't, you can actually, I mean unless you want to keep that up. I mean one of the things is I'm finding it hard because I can't

[Speaker 3] (1:24:29 - 1:24:29)
Yeah, read no,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:29 - 1:24:30)
what's

[Speaker 3] (1:24:30 - 1:24:30)
I up can't.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:30 - 1:24:44)
there and but I have it here and I know we provided all of you this but I don't want to go on forever here but I do think one of the really thing that when we really looked at this that was and I said in my opening was that increasing it to 16

[Speaker 1] (1:24:45 - 1:25:13)
really isn't isn't really doing as much as one would think when really to the math says we should go up to 16 well you can only go in thousand increments then the 16 once so we'll be we'll see you next year because we'll be gonna have to keep coming back I do think that going to the 18 now sends a message you know and we're gonna be hopefully done with this in six years I don't know I'm not speaking for the board what we're going to do what we're going to be asked to do what we're going to talk about doing

[Speaker 1] (1:25:14 - 1:25:31)
But I know getting to that 18 percent is something that will truly benefit the retirees and the employees when they become retirees and kind of set us, we won't be at the top, you know, we'll still, I will tell you in two years we'll be back to the middle at 18.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:32 - 1:25:33)
But that's okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:33 - 1:25:36)
I do think that the message set,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:36 - 1:25:41)
sending the message to going to 18 is saying we're going to actually make it a little better.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:42 - 1:26:10)
for you and and kind of stop this yearly mishmash of going up a thousand I I just feel strongly that it's time to just say okay let's put this issue aside for a few years and and do the right thing and just get it to 18 now instead of having this yearly discussion and articles and things like that and and again we'll get a little ahead of the curve won't be hugely ahead of the curve but we'll get ahead of the curve

[Speaker 5] (1:26:10 - 1:26:19)
I think Tom and Kevin did a real great job. The methodology is really what I'm concerned about that six years.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:20 - 1:26:30)
We've been doing this Tom and myself for 30 years volunteering our time and we started out like 30 million and now I'm saying myself we're up to 94 million eventually we'll be over the 100 million.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:31 - 1:26:36)
I know these are big numbers for you but they're not really big numbers in the big picture.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:36 - 1:26:41)
And the thing is is that you have to realize,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:41 - 1:26:47)
everybody says, well, my 401k, I'm only going to throw that out there because people try to relate that to it.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:47 - 1:26:56)
We are highly regulated because of the past history, what Kevin said, because of the unfunded liability, the IRS came in and said no more.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:57 - 1:27:01)
And they built this committee. In this committee we have one of Not the most,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:01 - 1:27:02)
us, but personally yeah. hold.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:02 - 1:27:23)
But out of a hundred and four, but we w we are one of the most senior um, you know, uh members uh when we go down for training and so forth. Uh we we take uh the responsibility very, very serious. We do con uh continue in ads all the time. We have all kinds of people that come in and audit the books.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:24 - 1:27:34)
Um like I said, you just can't pick up the phone and just say we're gonna buy we're gonna sell. There's methodologies to all this. So I'll turn it back to we just don't wanna

[Speaker 1] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
At this

[Speaker 5] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
watch

[Speaker 1] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
point

[Speaker 5] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
sell

[Speaker 1] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
you

[Speaker 5] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
and

[Speaker 1] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
guys

[Speaker 5] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
buy.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:34 - 1:27:46)
have in front of you, you know what we're here, we're willing to answer any questions that you have, uh concerns, and and would really love to have your support on the article.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:46 - 1:27:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:47 - 1:28:11)
They mean a lot to the citizens, I mean to the retirees, the employees and to us. I mean but ultimately that's that's up to you. But I I we've presented why we think it's important for them and uh it's not us personally. We don't we don't get any I'm not gonna get any well I'm not saying that others won't but it's really about uh us doing our job for the group that we are there representing.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:13 - 1:28:14)
I'd love to have your support.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:15 - 1:28:19)
Are you aware the Finance Committee has supported

[Speaker 1] (1:28:19 - 1:28:19)
There was a the rumor.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:19 - 1:28:25)
Finance Committee voted um to support sixteen and the cola increase is sixteen.

[Speaker 11] (1:28:27 - 1:28:28)
Good.

[Speaker 11] (1:28:28 - 1:28:28)
Can I?

[Speaker 3] (1:28:28 - 1:28:31)
We're s we're aware of that and

[Speaker 9] (1:28:32 - 1:28:38)
It's just I'm the liaison to both of these committees. I just want to make sure I'm letting everybody know.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:39 - 1:28:39)
And Could

[Speaker 3] (1:28:39 - 1:28:45)
we certainly appreciate the incremental approach that they're taking.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:48 - 1:29:04)
Our recommendation is that to proceed with the 18 because that's the statutory upper limit if you will, 18, but there are communities that have already

[Speaker 3] (1:29:05 - 1:29:19)
gone past the 18. So in in three or four years time sixteen is going to be less than the average and we'll be back here again.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:22 - 1:29:39)
Our intention of asking for the eighteen is not based on greed, it's it's based on getting ahead of the curve and not being a constant drain on the budget by coming in in

[Speaker 1] (1:29:41 - 1:29:47)
little incremental re you know ribs and drives, if you will, sixteen, eighteen, will

[Speaker 2] (1:29:47 - 1:29:48)
I will

[Speaker 1] (1:29:48 - 1:29:48)
be will

[Speaker 2] (1:29:48 - 1:29:48)
be back

[Speaker 1] (1:29:48 - 1:29:56)
be back here in less than eighteen months saying that sixteen is behind the average again.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:57 - 1:30:09)
Uh again what we tried to do, what we what we really intended to focus on tonight is that we had set with the finance committee and the select board um

[Speaker 1] (1:30:10 - 1:30:36)
triggers that would say that we should press up the uh cola base and we bet all three triggers um with respect to funding ratio um uh cost of living adjustment and um uh where we stand um with respect to our peers in the pack.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:37 - 1:30:41)
And all I'm saying is that we

[Speaker 1] (1:30:44 - 1:30:53)
feel that in a very short period of time we'll be back at 16 and saying we need to go to 18.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:53 - 1:30:54)
One of the things

[Speaker 1] (1:30:54 - 1:30:54)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:30:54 - 1:30:54)
like

[Speaker 1] (1:30:54 - 1:31:05)
the only other last point that I want to make is that likely that will be occurring just as we reach normal cost at 2031.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:06 - 1:31:32)
So just at the point that the Finance Committee and the Select Board are saying, oh, we don't have a huge building that's going to drop down by four or five hundred thousand in normal cost, we're going to be saying, oh, well, we need to press up the polar rates.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:32 - 1:31:33)
I think it's actually not.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:35 - 1:31:39)
I mean, obviously appreciate any support for any representative bodies.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:40 - 1:31:40)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:40 - 1:31:41)
So I'm not saying, eh,

[Speaker 4] (1:31:41 - 1:31:41)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:31:41 - 1:31:41)
We're

[Speaker 4] (1:31:41 - 1:31:42)
don't want

[Speaker 1] (1:31:42 - 1:31:42)
not it. saying

[Speaker 4] (1:31:42 - 1:31:42)
But one

[Speaker 1] (1:31:42 - 1:31:42)
cut.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:42 - 1:31:50)
of the things I don't think is being considered here, and he was alluding to it, is that it is better, when I say us,

[Speaker 4] (1:31:50 - 1:31:50)
the board,

[Speaker 4] (1:31:50 - 1:31:59)
it's better for us to have six years to smooth out and earn our income and offset blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:59 - 1:32:28)
for that to go to 18 and get it done now and give us a few years we wait three four years and then add another base up a thousand and another base like he said we'll be there trying to trying to soften this thing within a year having six years now at 18 gives us that opportunity to say okay it's in our funding schedule it's now part of our plan it's part of our investment strategy it's part of our actuarial and we move forward if we go okay

[Speaker 4] (1:32:28 - 1:32:33)
You give us, it goes up a thousand this year, okay, so that's processed again,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:33 - 1:32:34)
and two years it goes,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:34 - 1:32:37)
it just gets, pushes it right up to the end,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:37 - 1:32:42)
and I think that the board is much better postured to just take it on now,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:43 - 1:32:45)
put it all in the mix now,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:45 - 1:32:47)
and to have those six years,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:48 - 1:32:49)
I can't believe I'm talking six years,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:49 - 1:32:52)
it seemed like forever when we started,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:52 - 1:32:57)
to get that, to spread it out over the six years. I think adding a thousand, adding a thousand, so.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:58 - 1:33:01)
If we keep the system going the way we have, and I say system,

[Speaker 4] (1:33:01 - 1:33:06)
the tradition of us getting it, it's usually been about two years,

[Speaker 4] (1:33:06 - 1:33:11)
maybe three, and then we're going to come in and eventually we'll be like,

[Speaker 4] (1:33:11 - 1:33:13)
well, if I do it anymore,

[Speaker 4] (1:33:13 - 1:33:15)
they'll just keep it at 16.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:15 - 1:33:16)
Well, historically...

[Speaker 6] (1:33:17 - 1:33:19)
The last time there was an increase was 2021.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:20 - 1:33:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:20 - 1:33:23)
And then prior to that, I think it was, was it 10 years prior to that?

[Speaker 1] (1:33:23 - 1:33:23)
Now he's

[Speaker 7] (1:33:23 - 1:33:24)
correct. Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:24 - 1:33:28)
Nine years prior to that, and I think the jumps were only a dollar.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:29 - 1:33:30)
On the exigen one thousand.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:30 - 1:33:31)
Thousand, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:31 - 1:33:31)
One thousand.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:31 - 1:33:32)
Oh, I didn't even think

[Speaker 6] (1:33:32 - 1:33:32)
A dollar

[Speaker 4] (1:33:32 - 1:33:33)
about that. I

[Speaker 6] (1:33:33 - 1:33:33)
was

[Speaker 4] (1:33:33 - 1:33:33)
got that. Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:33 - 1:33:34)
one thousand.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:34 - 1:33:34)
Got

[Speaker 6] (1:33:34 - 1:33:34)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:33:34 - 1:33:34)
it.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:34 - 1:33:43)
what you're asking, so we did set up something in twenty twenty one. The finance committee and the retirement board set up the the check marks.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:43 - 1:33:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:43 - 1:33:50)
As long as we achieve the check marks that we would consider increasing it. And you haven't

[Speaker 6] (1:33:51 - 1:33:52)
checked all those marks and

[Speaker 6] (1:33:54 - 1:34:00)
But it's not, they're not looking to increase it by a thousand, they're looking to increase it by two thousand at this point. So

[Speaker 1] (1:34:02 - 1:34:03)
Which would be sixty dollars.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:04 - 1:34:05)
Well, no.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:05 - 1:34:06)
They're

[Speaker 6] (1:34:06 - 1:34:06)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:06 - 1:34:08)
looking to to increase it to sixteen.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:08 - 1:34:08)
Sixteen.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:08 - 1:34:09)
It's sixteen

[Speaker 9] (1:34:09 - 1:34:09)
Sixteen.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:09 - 1:34:09)
right there.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:09 - 1:34:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:10 - 1:34:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:11 - 1:34:11)
Which increase?

[Speaker 6] (1:34:11 - 1:34:16)
That's what they that's what they actually voted up. They they voted to make it sixteen.

[Speaker 9] (1:34:17 - 1:34:18)
Um, can we t

[Speaker 1] (1:34:18 - 1:34:19)
Which we which?

[Speaker 1] (1:34:19 - 1:34:21)
We're not looking a gift horse in the mouth,

[Speaker 1] (1:34:21 - 1:34:35)
but we're we're just raising the fact that F16 will be back in Right. a short period of time because the benchmark moves

[Speaker 6] (1:34:35 - 1:34:36)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:36 - 1:34:36)
very quickly.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
I think

[Speaker 6] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
Kate,

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
we may

[Speaker 11] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:38)
well

[Speaker 6] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
or maybe

[Speaker 11] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
uh-huh.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
will

[Speaker 6] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
Katie Katie

[Speaker 4] (1:34:38 - 1:34:39)
it actually be made up that?

[Speaker 6] (1:34:39 - 1:34:40)
has a question.

[Speaker 11] (1:34:40 - 1:34:40)
Oh sure.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:40 - 1:34:42)
It sounds like the benchmark i

[Speaker 12] (1:34:42 - 1:34:49)
You're already beyond the benchmark. You said bringing it to 16,000 brings you to what would have been the same purchase power in 2021.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:49 - 1:34:51)
So you're behind the

[Speaker 4] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52)
Behind it now, yes.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:52 - 1:34:53)
curve already.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
All right.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:53 - 1:35:01)
Bringing it to the curve really just puts you immediately behind the curve because as cost of living is never not.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:02 - 1:35:02)
Correct.

[Speaker 12] (1:35:02 - 1:35:03)
going to increase

[Speaker 4] (1:35:03 - 1:35:04)
The only way to get ahead of it is

[Speaker 12] (1:35:04 - 1:35:04)
decrease

[Speaker 4] (1:35:04 - 1:35:05)
in those so 17

[Speaker 12] (1:35:05 - 1:35:05)
right

[Speaker 4] (1:35:05 - 1:35:06)
or 18.

[Speaker 12] (1:35:06 - 1:35:28)
okay so I guess for me the most important conversation or this last slide the options we didn't really get there yet so maybe we should go there because I think you've met we there were parameters set in place in 2021 the triggers you've met all the triggers that's why we're here having this conversation FinCom agrees you've met all the triggers and should be seeing some sort of increase

[Speaker 12] (1:35:29 - 1:35:38)
Now it's just becomes what is the appropriate increase? For me it's how we pay for that appropriating. That's really important, so that is where I would like to focus, if that's okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:41 - 1:35:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:41 - 1:35:42)
Um

[Speaker 4] (1:35:48 - 1:35:48)
Hit it.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:50 - 1:35:51)
Did you get that?

[Speaker 1] (1:35:51 - 1:35:51)
Well, I can see

[Speaker 1] (1:35:52 - 1:35:53)
You know, I think the

[Speaker 4] (1:35:53 - 1:35:54)
I can be by the campus, or not.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:54 - 1:35:56)
the the key point of how to pay for

[Speaker 13] (1:35:56 - 1:35:56)
She was trying

[Speaker 1] (1:35:56 - 1:35:56)
it.

[Speaker 13] (1:35:56 - 1:35:57)
to tell you the buses are on the move.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:57 - 1:36:01)
I go back to my original um

[Speaker 1] (1:36:03 - 1:36:17)
portrayal that this is this is a mortgage. Yeah. And um you know, the difference between a fifteen year mortgage and a thirty year mortgage is that you're

[Speaker 1] (1:36:18 - 1:36:22)
monthly payments are lowered but the total amount that you pay

[Speaker 12] (1:36:22 - 1:36:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:22 - 1:36:23)
is higher.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:23 - 1:36:23)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:23 - 1:36:33)
And that's that's the bill that we represent to you. And quite frankly,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:34 - 1:36:35)
Thank you. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:35 - 1:36:44)
chairwoman Fletcher has been at our retirement board meetings and has heard us discuss

[Speaker 1] (1:36:45 - 1:36:49)
that there are a lot of communities that have front-loaded this,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:49 - 1:36:59)
that have taken free cash or available free cash and paid off in advance of

[Speaker 12] (1:36:59 - 1:36:59)
the increase.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:59 - 1:37:00)
their amount.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:01 - 1:37:03)
And I mean, frankly,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:03 - 1:37:11)
you know, we're not in a position to tell you how to spend the money, obviously, of the community,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:11 - 1:37:12)
but...

[Speaker 1] (1:37:13 - 1:37:20)
There's a fiduciary benefit to front-loading paying this off.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:20 - 1:37:24)
So on the options that you see before you,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:24 - 1:37:28)
if there were an opportunity to front-load this,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:28 - 1:37:34)
then the overall cost to the community is less.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:34 - 1:37:35)
Sure, of course.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:35 - 1:37:42)
But the longer you push it off, the total dollars spent go up.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:43 - 1:37:52)
So, you know, it's a balancing act with your current budgets. You know, I'm certainly aware of current budgets being a former department head.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:54 - 1:37:55)
But,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:55 - 1:38:00)
you know, with respect to, you know, we're here in front of you tonight,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:01 - 1:38:08)
to the extent that you can front load this by...

[Speaker 1] (1:38:08 - 1:38:14)
expending free cash in into this amount even

[Speaker 4] (1:38:14 - 1:38:16)
Saugus is a great example of that.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:16 - 1:38:16)
right

[Speaker 4] (1:38:16 - 1:38:21)
Every time I read the fully funded ones and being in the area,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:21 - 1:38:21)
I go,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:21 - 1:38:22)
Saugus?

[Speaker 4] (1:38:22 - 1:38:29)
It's like nothing against Saugus, anyone's listening from Saugus, but it doesn't jump out at you as that,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:29 - 1:38:32)
you know, I don't know, I just, that's just very shocking to me,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:32 - 1:38:37)
you know, and I know the members of the board. I called them several years ago. I'm like, well, how did you do that?

[Speaker 4] (1:38:38 - 1:38:44)
Said, well, every year, maybe couple years, when there's some free cash,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:44 - 1:38:50)
there's a little rainy whatever there is, the number they'll do, they moved and town meeting will put in a hundred thousand,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:51 - 1:38:52)
two hundred thousand,

[Speaker 12] (1:38:52 - 1:38:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:52 - 1:38:55)
five hundred thousand extra over the years. Sometimes,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:55 - 1:38:57)
he says sometimes fifty thousand.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:57 - 1:38:58)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:58 - 1:39:02)
it's like amazingly over the course of time they did that. So that's where that front loading.

[Speaker 12] (1:39:02 - 1:39:03)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03)
Um,

[Speaker 12] (1:39:03 - 1:39:05)
I mean, it's just like making one extra mortgage payment a

[Speaker 1] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (1:39:05 - 1:39:06)
year, how it comes

[Speaker 4] (1:39:06 - 1:39:06)
and

[Speaker 12] (1:39:06 - 1:39:06)
up.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:06 - 1:39:10)
we've actually been kind of the inverse in Swampscott because,

[Speaker 4] (1:39:11 - 1:39:12)
and,

[Speaker 4] (1:39:12 - 1:39:14)
and we're guilty of trying to be a little.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:16 - 1:39:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:22)
most communities like when we go down to our convention and the gathering,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:22 - 1:39:23)
the conference,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:23 - 1:39:29)
and you know they always shake our heads for one point, but it's not so much now, but in past we'd be like okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:30 - 1:39:52)
We've got to pull, we've got to parcel out, you know, things going on and we try to take that middle ground instead of going for the maximum amount under the law, kind of back it off a little bit. So I'm sure that, you know, we have, we've always tried to do that when we can. I don't think that we've ever come in and had the town look at us and say we're in dire straits and we can't get anything you can do. We've pretty much done it every time.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:52 - 1:39:53)
We'll do it four times.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:53 - 1:39:54)
Yeah, so yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:54 - 1:39:56)
pretty fourth, pretty significant times.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:57 - 1:40:05)
So with with the risk of sounding um less informed about this than others but I'm gonna say it anyways because I think it's helpful to the folks at home.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:06 - 1:40:10)
The legislature has required us to pay off our unfunded liability by when?

[Speaker 5] (1:40:11 - 1:40:11)
Twenty forty

[Speaker 4] (1:40:11 - 1:40:12)
Twenty

[Speaker 5] (1:40:12 - 1:40:12)
two.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:12 - 1:40:13)
thirty

[Speaker 1] (1:40:13 - 1:40:14)
One.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:14 - 1:40:14)
No,

[Speaker 6] (1:40:14 - 1:40:15)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:15 - 1:40:15)
no

[Speaker 6] (1:40:15 - 1:40:15)
the legislature

[Speaker 4] (1:40:15 - 1:40:16)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:40:16 - 1:40:16)
is 2040,

[Speaker 4] (1:40:16 - 1:40:18)
lead the required timeline because we're

[Speaker 6] (1:40:18 - 1:40:19)
The required

[Speaker 4] (1:40:19 - 1:40:19)
ahead of timeline the required timeline

[Speaker 6] (1:40:19 - 1:40:21)
is actually 2040,

[Speaker 6] (1:40:21 - 1:40:21)
but

[Speaker 4] (1:40:21 - 1:40:22)
40 okay great

[Speaker 6] (1:40:22 - 1:40:23)
I thought it was 42.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:23 - 1:40:23)
okay

[Speaker 1] (1:40:23 - 1:40:25)
Take it out because you'll pay me more money.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:25 - 1:40:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:25 - 1:40:27)
but you'll pay more over time right

[Speaker 4] (1:40:27 - 1:40:31)
Sure sure okay so right now we are ahead of schedule to

[Speaker 6] (1:40:31 - 1:40:32)
Correct

[Speaker 4] (1:40:32 - 1:40:33)
what we

[Speaker 1] (1:40:33 - 1:40:33)
Yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:40:33 - 1:40:38)
would say is the bottom line right can't go beyond that right now

[Speaker 1] (1:40:40 - 1:40:41)
We could We go

[Speaker 7] (1:40:41 - 1:40:41)
could go beyond

[Speaker 4] (1:40:41 - 1:40:41)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:41 - 1:40:41)
50

[Speaker 7] (1:40:41 - 1:40:41)
this

[Speaker 4] (1:40:41 - 1:40:42)
no,

[Speaker 7] (1:40:42 - 1:40:42)
if we

[Speaker 4] (1:40:42 - 1:40:42)
the

[Speaker 7] (1:40:42 - 1:40:42)
want.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:42 - 1:40:45)
end date, the final date, The right. the final date, yes. So we're ahead of the game.

[Speaker 7] (1:40:45 - 1:40:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:46 - 1:40:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:46 - 1:40:59)
We have the room to, as you're saying, smooth it out if we wanted to. We also have the ability to continue the payments the same as they are right now and then have a lump sum due in 2031.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:59 - 1:41:01)
Yeah, 2031, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:01 - 1:41:01)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:01 - 1:41:02)
So those are really the options that

[Speaker 6] (1:41:02 - 1:41:03)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:03 - 1:41:05)
are available to us if we chose to increase.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:06 - 1:41:11)
And I mean clearly the smoothing out aspect of it is something that we we take into consideration.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:13 - 1:41:34)
when we do our actuarials and that's part of the plan is although ironically I've always been like oh we'll kick it out a year does it have that much significant of savings as you'd think because what you're doing is you know it may soften it a little here at the beginning but by kicking it out that last year you're just you're just hitting a big number at the end you're

[Speaker 4] (1:41:34 - 1:41:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:35 - 1:41:38)
just putting it out a little further it's not it's we are probably the most

[Speaker 1] (1:41:39 - 1:41:41)
I'm going to say the most prudent, but one of the,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:41 - 1:41:42)
you know,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:42 - 1:41:42)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:41:42 - 1:41:42)
and

[Speaker 4] (1:41:42 - 1:41:42)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:41:42 - 1:41:42)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:41:42 - 1:41:42)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:42 - 1:41:44)
was one of the things the Finance Committee,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:44 - 1:41:48)
when you were on it, the last time we were before them was,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:48 - 1:41:51)
I remember Sinda McNerney and who else,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:51 - 1:41:52)
Sullivan,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:52 - 1:41:53)
Jill,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:53 - 1:41:53)
Jill.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:53 - 1:41:54)
we

[Speaker 6] (1:41:54 - 1:41:54)
Jill Sower.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:54 - 1:42:02)
mentioned something like, no, don't extend it. We want to do this and we don't want you to extend it because that's the best thing to do is to keep it 231.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:02 - 1:42:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:02 - 1:42:03)
We were like,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:03 - 1:42:03)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:03 - 1:42:07)
So you know, it's kind of the first time anyone's ever said that to us. It's always been.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:08 - 1:42:08)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:08 - 1:42:09)
We have this

[Speaker 1] (1:42:09 - 1:42:09)
We

[Speaker 4] (1:42:09 - 1:42:09)
taken.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:09 - 1:42:10)
get down the road.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:10 - 1:42:10)
Yep, yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:10 - 1:42:12)
So just for me,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:12 - 1:42:28)
I mean I'm supportive of increasing the of increasing the COLA base. I haven't decided whether I'm going to support 16 or 18 or 17, uh those things. But just looking at these options, using two million dollars from one-time funds to pay down increased liabilities, I I don't think that's i that's that's that's not

[Speaker 1] (1:42:28 - 1:42:28)
Yeah, don't

[Speaker 8] (1:42:28 - 1:42:29)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:42:29 - 1:42:29)
I.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:29 - 1:42:29)
It's a fictitious

[Speaker 8] (1:42:29 - 1:42:35)
don't we don't we don't we don't have it. I um paid down an extra three thirty three over six years.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:35 - 1:42:36)
is a son

[Speaker 6] (1:42:36 - 1:42:36)
That's

[Speaker 8] (1:42:36 - 1:42:37)
of five not an option either,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:37 - 1:42:40)
at least for the next one to three years.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:40 - 1:42:41)
Of course. Probably.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:41 - 1:42:48)
So we're really looking at absorbing the cost in fiscal year 31 if we're just

[Speaker 4] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
If

[Speaker 8] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
making

[Speaker 4] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
you're not

[Speaker 8] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
– pulling yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:48 - 1:42:49)
the date out,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:49 - 1:42:49)
which

[Speaker 8] (1:42:49 - 1:42:50)
correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:50 - 1:42:51)
is not an option listed here to

[Speaker 6] (1:42:51 - 1:42:52)
But it's a real possibility,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:52 - 1:42:56)
the voice of FinCom priors, but is an option.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:59 - 1:42:59)
Just one last

[Speaker 1] (1:42:59 - 1:43:03)
Well, but there's one that I was just thinking, not that I'm being a horse trader here, but...

[Speaker 6] (1:43:04 - 1:43:04)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:05 - 1:43:11)
I mean, I know that as much as I increasing it to 18 would be optimum.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:11 - 1:43:17)
I would think that maybe doing it to 17 would be also helpful in town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:17 - 1:43:18)
I mean, if that was something,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:18 - 1:43:22)
I mean, I'm about to get boom right here from him.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:22 - 1:43:27)
I mean, I'm not beyond the thought of going to the finance committee,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:27 - 1:43:30)
maybe together and talk that maybe 17.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:31 - 1:43:37)
would be, you know, kind of split the split the difference a little. Um I think seventeen would still be a good

[Speaker 9] (1:43:37 - 1:43:38)
Well they they are considering

[Speaker 4] (1:43:38 - 1:43:39)
are they?

[Speaker 9] (1:43:39 - 1:43:57)
fifteen. First it was there was a question of fifteen, but it landed at sixteen. They did talk about eighteen, but I think pretty much the Finance Committee was really fine with you coming back. I think it's

[Speaker 9] (1:43:57 - 1:44:01)
This is a great board, they love seeing you, so coming back with

[Speaker 8] (1:44:01 - 1:44:03)
You love seeing you.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:03 - 1:44:04)
Jesus Christ.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:04 - 1:44:11)
Just just remember one thing all on the same team the Finance Committee the selectmen and us we're trying to get best value

[Speaker 11] (1:44:12 - 1:44:14)
I always say math is truth.

[Speaker 11] (1:44:14 - 1:44:32)
These models and everything are the eighteen thousand, the models are built for that. When you start moving numbers around a little bit, that's when you get into like not getting the best value. Kevin kind of hit on that a little bit, Tom talked a little bit about. We want that the main thing is to keep the benefit.

[Speaker 11] (1:44:33 - 1:44:35)
So that the person doesn't lose,

[Speaker 11] (1:44:35 - 1:44:41)
we haven't caught up when we start talking about these co-leaders and we talk about 16 and 18.

[Speaker 11] (1:44:41 - 1:44:46)
We've got to remember that 2% was on top of the 3% back in 2022,

[Speaker 11] (1:44:46 - 1:44:47)
their pandemic,

[Speaker 11] (1:44:47 - 1:44:50)
and we weren't able to do it because we came here real quick,

[Speaker 11] (1:44:50 - 1:44:52)
I get it, it was a huge number,

[Speaker 11] (1:44:53 - 1:44:59)
you're not used to it, it was the first time in the history of the state that they did it, so it kind of catches you and you kind of say, whoa.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:00 - 1:45:04)
With that being said, so this 16 and 18,

[Speaker 11] (1:45:04 - 1:45:15)
all those other communities, all these retirees, these 365 cities and towns and everything else, they were able to get that 2% in there that's not reflected in these models.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:15 - 1:45:25)
So just keep that in mind. The people in Swarmstead, the 246 people didn't get that additional 2% that's lost in the map. So whether it's...

[Speaker 6] (1:45:25 - 1:45:27)
10 out of 104.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:27 - 1:45:35)
Right, so so let's move forward, but just realize that that money is lost. Whether we go we we think the models

[Speaker 11] (1:45:35 - 1:45:37)
Based upon everything,

[Speaker 11] (1:45:37 - 1:45:43)
we put hundreds of hours into this every single year. You come to our meetings, they'll tell you, sometimes I talk,

[Speaker 11] (1:45:43 - 1:45:48)
we can't tell you all the math in a quick half hour, trying to give you a snapshot.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:48 - 1:45:50)
So just math is true,

[Speaker 11] (1:45:50 - 1:45:53)
we're very appreciative whether it's 16,

[Speaker 11] (1:45:53 - 1:45:54)
17,

[Speaker 11] (1:45:54 - 1:45:54)
18,

[Speaker 11] (1:45:54 - 1:46:03)
but we want to get best value. So we'd have to rerun the numbers and make sure that we're getting the value so we're all accomplishing the same.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:04 - 1:46:05)
Did you

[Speaker 1] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
know?

[Speaker 1] (1:46:05 - 1:46:12)
I think my guess is I want to thank you, which appears to be that we're going to have support, and we will be discussing whether that number comes out to be,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:12 - 1:46:14)
if I

[Speaker 6] (1:46:14 - 1:46:14)
I agree.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:14 - 1:46:16)
have the sense the meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:18 - 1:46:19)
So we are,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:19 - 1:46:19)
listen,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:20 - 1:46:23)
it's not easy sitting up there and hearing the budget stuff.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:23 - 1:46:24)
It's maddening.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:25 - 1:46:33)
But, you know, other than that, I guess there was remind people that this always shocks people that we have the second biggest budget. I mean, doesn't shock you,

[Speaker 9] (1:46:33 - 1:46:33)
Line item.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:33 - 1:46:34)
you guys know.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:34 - 1:46:35)
people in town,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:35 - 1:46:38)
they're like, you know, they're like, well,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:38 - 1:46:44)
the schools and then the fire department or the police department, like, boo, boo, boo, boo, you're forgetting another one.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:44 - 1:46:50)
And they like, what? And it's really, it is kind of an amazing thing that that's how big that budget really is. We appreciate it.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:50 - 1:46:54)
Except that we were very focused on getting to the...

[Speaker 6] (1:46:54 - 1:47:00)
the actual cost where we're not the second biggest budget.

[Speaker 11] (1:47:01 - 1:47:02)
Which we call the normal cost.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:02 - 1:47:02)
Oh we will.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:02 - 1:47:03)
When we get to the

[Speaker 1] (1:47:03 - 1:47:05)
2031 we're going to be bigger.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:05 - 1:47:05)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:47:05 - 1:47:06)
Well, right,

[Speaker 6] (1:47:06 - 1:47:09)
when we get to normal cost, we won't be the second biggest budget.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:10 - 1:47:10)
But

[Speaker 11] (1:47:10 - 1:47:11)
Oh, not close.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:11 - 1:47:18)
the the the key point is that we're paying off what has happened in the past. And

[Speaker 6] (1:47:18 - 1:47:30)
You know, the legislature in their wisdom has said, no, you can't do that anymore because that's not wise. So we appreciate.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:31 - 1:47:43)
Your support, we're, as I say, we're not looking a gift horse in the mouth, but we are pointing out the fact that to go from 16 to 18 prevents us from being right,

[Speaker 6] (1:47:43 - 1:47:47)
you know, I'm glad that you like us and that you want to see us, you

[Speaker 4] (1:47:47 - 1:47:48)
It's perfect.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:48 - 1:47:56)
know, but we'll be back soon, because the, as you see in the presentation,

[Speaker 6] (1:47:56 - 1:47:59)
the benchmark moves and it moves quickly.

[Speaker 11] (1:47:59 - 1:47:59)
So I

[Speaker 9] (1:47:59 - 1:48:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:00 - 1:48:00)
Thanks, Kevin.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:00 - 1:48:01)
Thank you.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:01 - 1:48:02)
think Kara's calling me she missed

[Speaker 9] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:02 - 1:48:03)
me she

[Speaker 8] (1:48:03 - 1:48:05)
Do you know, just a quick question about,

[Speaker 8] (1:48:05 - 1:48:10)
was there any feedback or comments from our director of finance,

[Speaker 8] (1:48:10 - 1:48:12)
Amy Saro, on this matter?

[Speaker 11] (1:48:14 - 1:48:16)
Yeah, she voted with us in favor

[Speaker 11] (1:48:16 - 1:48:22)
She voted in favor. Yeah, she voted in favor of our submission in 18 of the article.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:22 - 1:48:23)
How did she vote?

[Speaker 9] (1:48:24 - 1:48:25)
When and where did she vote?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
She was part of

[Speaker 4] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
Is

[Speaker 1] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
our meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
that

[Speaker 9] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
She's

[Speaker 4] (1:48:26 - 1:48:27)
part of

[Speaker 9] (1:48:27 - 1:48:27)
part of the retirement

[Speaker 1] (1:48:27 - 1:48:27)
Yeah, she was, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:27 - 1:48:30)
So where, you know, when did that vote happen?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:30 - 1:48:31)
At the our last meeting?

[Speaker 9] (1:48:31 - 1:48:33)
At the last one. So she was unanimous with

[Speaker 1] (1:48:33 - 1:48:33)
the Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:33 - 1:48:33)
meetings

[Speaker 6] (1:48:33 - 1:48:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:48:33 - 1:48:33)
ago?

[Speaker 6] (1:48:33 - 1:48:34)
it was a week ago.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:34 - 1:48:35)
Yep. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:35 - 1:48:37)
And the vote was unanimous then.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:37 - 1:48:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:37 - 1:48:38)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:38 - 1:48:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:38 - 1:48:39)
Your vote, the retirement.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:39 - 1:48:39)
Here, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:39 - 1:48:39)
Our vote,

[Speaker 9] (1:48:39 - 1:48:39)
Sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:39 - 1:48:40)
You're

[Speaker 6] (1:48:40 - 1:48:40)
right.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:40 - 1:48:40)
correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:40 - 1:48:51)
Yeah, and maybe, I mean, I'm not talking out of school. She, she didn't vote. I don't know if, I think she may have voted against the last one. You know, it's happened in the past. She didn't. She's on it. She's, you know, so.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:52 - 1:48:56)
You know, I think, you know, she's been with us a long time now and I think she sees what we're doing and

[Speaker 6] (1:48:56 - 1:49:09)
I you know I can't speak for her, she's not here, but I I mean I think she understands the the the uh the the total cost versus the increment

[Speaker 2] (1:49:10 - 1:49:10)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:10 - 1:49:13)
and uh supported the 18.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:13 - 1:49:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:14 - 1:49:21)
And you know, with with reflection, certainly um from her role as

[Speaker 3] (1:49:21 - 1:49:21)
That

[Speaker 1] (1:49:21 - 1:49:21)
uh

[Speaker 3] (1:49:21 - 1:49:25)
and she does a good job for us too by the way. We she really does, she's uh

[Speaker 3] (1:49:26 - 1:49:35)
It's not an easy hat to wear when you are when you're that up that that position because You know you really work the fun side and you work that it's hard

[Speaker 3] (1:49:35 - 1:49:37)
Let's get a close out on the meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:37 - 1:49:40)
Okay, I'm sorry motion to adjourn our joint meeting

[Speaker 1] (1:49:40 - 1:49:41)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:41 - 1:49:44)
motion by green second by bean

[Speaker 3] (1:49:44 - 1:49:45)
Brisk line

[Speaker 1] (1:49:46 - 1:49:46)
Joined Green

[Speaker 4] (1:49:46 - 1:49:46)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:46 - 1:49:46)
9.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:47 - 1:49:48)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
Have

[Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
you

[Speaker 4] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
a good

[Speaker 3] (1:49:48 - 1:49:49)
very much

[Speaker 4] (1:49:49 - 1:49:49)
night.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:49 - 1:49:50)
gotta go cat for Florida

[Speaker 5] (1:49:53 - 1:49:56)
Okay so now we can move to discussion and possible votes

[Speaker 6] (1:49:56 - 1:49:57)
Um,

[Speaker 5] (1:49:57 - 1:49:57)
on items.

[Speaker 6] (1:49:57 - 1:50:02)
can I just have a follow I have a follow-up question. Maybe if Amy could provide I'm sure it exists. The

[Speaker 3] (1:50:02 - 1:50:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:03 - 1:50:07)
the value that they were speaking about between the 16 to 18 and then coming

[Speaker 6] (1:50:08 - 1:50:11)
Like is there a some math tables that we can look at?

[Speaker 5] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11)
You're

[Speaker 5] (1:50:11 - 1:50:12)
that's

[Speaker 6] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
laughing

[Speaker 5] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
a good thing.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:12 - 1:50:15)
at me because I have no idea what I'm asking for, but I want to understand

[Speaker 5] (1:50:15 - 1:50:15)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:50:15 - 1:50:16)
like obviously

[Speaker 5] (1:50:16 - 1:50:16)
just curious.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:16 - 1:50:26)
what what the gentleman were trying to tell us is that there's a benefit to giving the eighteen now versus coming back in increments of two thousand. So I'm trying to understand how the mathematically that works.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:26 - 1:50:27)
She'll send it.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:27 - 1:50:29)
Okay, why are you all laughing at me?

[Speaker 5] (1:50:29 - 1:50:31)
No, I'm just delirious. I'm not laughing at you at all.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:32 - 1:50:32)
Sugar high.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:33 - 1:50:35)
Yeah, It is. I'm just eating the sugar. That's not that.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:35 - 1:50:36)
I'm just licking the files.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:36 - 1:50:42)
Um, okay, so now moving to discussion and possible vote to increase town fees and permits.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:45 - 1:50:57)
Um, so we've seen these fees before and I think the only issue really was one fee on there and that was the block party that we had.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:57 - 1:50:58)
Anyone wants to make it free?

[Speaker 1] (1:50:58 - 1:50:58)
Free.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:58 - 1:50:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:00 - 1:51:01)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:51:01 - 1:51:06)
Um, other than the block party, did we have any other questions on any of the other fees?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:07 - 1:51:08)
I didn't.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:08 - 1:51:08)
No.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:10 - 1:51:14)
Um, other than the block part, does anybody has anybody changed their mind on the block party?

[Speaker 5] (1:51:17 - 1:51:22)
I mean I would be good with leaving the block party at twenty five myself, but

[Speaker 5] (1:51:23 - 1:51:25)
I also wanna make sure we get this passed tonight. So

[Speaker 5] (1:51:29 - 1:51:31)
Can we just increase the block party by ten dollars?

[Speaker 5] (1:51:33 - 1:51:35)
Would anybody like to make a motion on that?

[Speaker 5] (1:51:38 - 1:51:39)
You can't

[Speaker 7] (1:51:39 - 1:51:39)
I'll

[Speaker 5] (1:51:39 - 1:51:39)
blame them.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:39 - 1:51:47)
make a motion uh to approve the fee schedule uh as presented with the amendment that the block party be free.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:49 - 1:51:50)
Oh, totally free?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:50 - 1:51:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:52 - 1:51:53)
Do we have a second?

[Speaker 8] (1:51:55 - 1:51:56)
Okay, that motion fails.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:56 - 1:52:02)
I'll make a motion to amend the fee schedule as written except the block party remain twenty five dollars.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:02 - 1:52:03)
Second.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:03 - 1:52:04)
Okay, all in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
I.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:04 - 1:52:05)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
I.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:05 - 1:52:06)
There we go.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:06 - 1:52:06)
I don't know.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:08 - 1:52:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:10 - 1:52:11)
Other?

[Speaker 3] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
Good

[Speaker 6] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
work,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:11 - 1:52:12)
I have

[Speaker 3] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
David.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:12 - 1:52:15)
paid a block party fee in the past, so should I recuse myself from that vote?

[Speaker 9] (1:52:15 - 1:52:15)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:15 - 1:52:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:15 - 1:52:17)
No, and you're still okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:18 - 1:52:22)
Alright, so now let's move to the warrant.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:28 - 1:52:28)
We have Mr.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:28 - 1:52:39)
Piccirillo here. I was wondering could we go right to article twenty first. Would anybody mind that? Okay. So um article twenty is generated from Mr.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:39 - 1:52:43)
Piccirillo and he's patiently sat here.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:45 - 1:52:54)
And we've had s uh some discussion, public comment. We've received a couple of emails that um the way it's written isn't

[Speaker 8] (1:52:56 - 1:53:04)
Really what we're looking for, so the question is um whether or not we can save this article and I just want Mr Piccarillo to actually explain.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:05 - 1:53:06)
Uh

[Speaker 3] (1:53:08 - 1:53:21)
this article was written in response to the resonance on each side of the high school soccer field, complaining about what's been going on on weekends with groups of gent of men coming here.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:22 - 1:53:28)
playing for hours every weekend there

[Speaker 3] (1:53:30 - 1:53:46)
be 15 20 30 gentlemen men playing soccer from noontime to 8 o'clock at night sometimes constantly all afternoon all day

[Speaker 3] (1:53:47 - 1:53:49)
They have no respect for the facilities.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:52 - 1:54:09)
Gino and I are trying to recognize, do something about this condition for a couple years now and we came up to the suggestion that we chain up the goals so they couldn't use them.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:09 - 1:54:12)
There's two goals, different sizes at each end of the field.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:14 - 1:54:17)
The first time we chained them up, we chained them up together,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:17 - 1:54:18)
but they were on the field.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:19 - 1:54:22)
The group came, they broke the locks,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:22 - 1:54:23)
they threw the locks away.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:24 - 1:54:26)
That to me is destruction of property.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:26 - 1:54:28)
They moved the goals on the field and played.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:29 - 1:54:31)
When questioned,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:31 - 1:54:33)
where'd the lock go? Where'd the chain?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:33 - 1:54:34)
Who broke the lock?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:34 - 1:54:36)
Oh no, it was like that when we got here.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:37 - 1:54:38)
Baloney.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:40 - 1:54:54)
We decided that, and Gino can agree with me, we decided that we would take and chain the two goals at each end to the chain link fence so they couldn't be moved.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:55 - 1:54:56)
That worked.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:57 - 1:54:58)
What did they do?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:58 - 1:55:05)
They came to the field and just stuck sticks in the ground to replicate the goals with no disregard,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:05 - 1:55:08)
no regard for the sprinkler system that's in there.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:09 - 1:55:10)
And they play.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:11 - 1:55:13)
Another time they came to the field,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:13 - 1:55:15)
they brought their own portable goals.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:16 - 1:55:23)
They have no permit. No permit has been issued to these guys at all.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:24 - 1:55:26)
The athletic director has not given them a permit.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:27 - 1:55:29)
We've many times told them, look,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:29 - 1:55:30)
you can't be here,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:30 - 1:55:31)
you've got to have a permit to play.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:32 - 1:55:33)
Well, where do we get a permit?

[Speaker 3] (1:55:33 - 1:55:34)
We don't know how to get a permit.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:35 - 1:55:37)
They've been instructed how and where to get a permit.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:38 - 1:55:39)
They don't get one.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:40 - 1:55:45)
The problem is when you call the police, as many times as the neighbors have,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:46 - 1:55:58)
the police chief has gone through the bylaws and said there's nothing in the bylaws that forces him to take and eject players off of the field if they don't have a permit.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:59 - 1:56:01)
The purpose of this...

[Speaker 3] (1:56:01 - 1:56:14)
article is to put into the bylaw his responsibility to take and enforce the town field requirements that are listed in here and I'm going to read it to you

[Speaker 1] (1:56:14 - 1:56:32)
The permit holder may be required to be in possession of a permit at the playing fields and or related facility and be prepared to produce the permit upon the request and representation of the town of Swampscott, including the police.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:33 - 1:56:38)
Failure to produce a valid permit when requested are grounds

[Speaker 3] (1:56:40 - 1:56:50)
for expulsion from the playing field and or related facility and such further action as the town of Swanskirt may determine to be appropriate under the circumstances.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:50 - 1:56:54)
He will not enforce this because it's not in the bylaw.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:54 - 1:56:58)
It's only in the town field requirements for a permit.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:59 - 1:57:06)
So the purpose of the article is to put it in the bylaws so he has to answer the resident complaint.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:08 - 1:57:10)
Now, I have to admit,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:10 - 1:57:13)
the wording in the article,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:13 - 1:57:17)
the very first sentence may need to be removed,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:17 - 1:57:18)
and it says,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:18 - 1:57:19)
no person.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:20 - 1:57:30)
It's not, this is not designated to take and prevent anybody from using a baseball field for a pickup game or the basketball court at Phyllis Park or Abbott Park or

[Speaker 3] (1:57:32 - 1:57:56)
anywhere else that they just want to be down and enjoy a game in the afternoon it's not that's not the intent this is the intent to make the people the men that go to the high school soccer field to play and don't pay for a permit the permit fee is $20 per person each and every time they want to play they're not going to pay they won't pay

[Speaker 1] (1:57:58 - 1:58:00)
Um I have some videos to show you.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:05 - 1:58:09)
There's plenty of signs posted up there that says permit to play.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:11 - 1:58:12)
It's it's on the

[Speaker 6] (1:58:13 - 1:58:13)
I don't I don't

[Speaker 6] (1:58:14 - 1:58:15)
Do we turn up here?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:15 - 1:58:16)
dashboard.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:16 - 1:58:17)
Yeah, I don't know how to get to that.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:19 - 1:58:23)
John, I think we might be okay with not seeing the video

[Speaker 6] (1:58:23 - 1:58:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:23 - 1:58:23)
for a I second.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:23 - 1:58:24)
I think

[Speaker 8] (1:58:24 - 1:58:24)
think

[Speaker 1] (1:58:24 - 1:58:24)
you need

[Speaker 8] (1:58:24 - 1:58:24)
we

[Speaker 1] (1:58:24 - 1:58:24)
to see

[Speaker 8] (1:58:24 - 1:58:25)
need to it. see that.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:25 - 1:58:26)
You think we need to see it?

[Speaker 5] (1:58:26 - 1:58:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:29 - 1:58:52)
Yeah, I mean, I guess this is what, this is what I'm worried about. You have, um I I brought up concerns about the article when we f initially talked about it, because I felt like it was the language of the article was not specific enough and the unintended purpose of the article may be that somebody, you know, the kids go for a pick-up game and they don't have a permit and now all of a sudden they can't play. And although that isn't the intention,

[Speaker 6] (1:58:52 - 1:58:54)
if the police were called in that

[Speaker 6] (1:58:55 - 1:59:04)
mechanism and this is what it said the police would have to enforce it the same way across all people regardless of whether they're the men up at the soccer

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:37)
The purpose is not discriminatory and it is acting in the capacity for which it's intending to.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:37 - 1:59:55)
I am not certain that this article is doing that and I actually think that this article is doing unintended harm to some of the other activities that are happening at the Parks and Fields in our town.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:55 - 1:59:56)
So I

[Speaker 3] (1:59:57 - 2:00:01)
I now understand the spirit of the article. I I thought I did previously also.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:01 - 2:00:03)
And I too have concerns.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:03 - 2:00:07)
I've had concerns now, I had concerns when we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:08 - 2:00:22)
I want I would like to see the police chief here as well as whoever is in charge of reserving these fields. Because I have a huge problem right now with the fact that this Mr. Piccarello gentleman has to enforce

[Speaker 3] (2:00:23 - 2:00:30)
You know, people not having permits in police lists when he's just an average resident who happens to be in the area.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:30 - 2:00:32)
Where's the person that is in charge of permits?

[Speaker 3] (2:00:33 - 2:00:40)
Where's the police to explain to me why people are damaging our fields and no one is going down there and removing them?

[Speaker 3] (2:00:40 - 2:00:42)
I don't care if it's in a bylaw or not in a bylaw.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:42 - 2:00:44)
If they are damaging our property,

[Speaker 3] (2:00:44 - 2:00:49)
that is a reason to get them off the field. It shouldn't be left to a resident or even to you to do that.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:49 - 2:00:49)
do that.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:50 - 2:00:59)
So I would love to, I don't, I again go back to the inefficiency of having discussions about this stuff without the people that are responsible here.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:59 - 2:00:59)
It annoys me.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:00 - 2:01:04)
So while I understand the spirit of what we're trying to convey here,

[Speaker 3] (2:01:04 - 2:01:09)
I don't think it is appropriate for individual residents to have to police this issue because

[Speaker 3] (2:01:10 - 2:01:13)
Mr. Picarello is putting himself in an awkward position where,

[Speaker 3] (2:01:13 - 2:01:18)
you know, he's he's just trying to help and promote this, you know, and put this article in.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:18 - 2:01:26)
Unfortunately, the wording is not does not really come up to snuff legally or discriminatory and all that. And of course, right. You know, I don't I would have done the same thing.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:27 - 2:01:33)
So it's up to us to help that right to help with that because I understand what he's trying to do. But

[Speaker 3] (2:01:34 - 2:01:39)
The police department chief and the person that's in charge of reserving these fields it it's Kelly

[Speaker 4] (2:01:40 - 2:01:40)
Wolf.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:40 - 2:01:46)
Wolf okay. We need to have them here. We need to have a conversation and understand why they're not doing what they need to do.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:46 - 2:01:58)
But I have a question. If the police chief is saying, if Gino's saying, do they have that mechanism, if we don't have a bylaw that says that they can enforce a permit.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:58 - 2:02:00)
If they cut off one of our locks that we put

[Speaker 3] (2:02:00 - 2:02:06)
On our property to secure our goal posts and they go in there and cut them off that are gone, that's

[Speaker 6] (2:02:06 - 2:02:07)
You don't need a by the destruction property.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:07 - 2:02:08)
Destruction

[Speaker 3] (2:02:08 - 2:02:08)
of property.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:08 - 2:02:08)
of property

[Speaker 3] (2:02:08 - 2:02:09)
I mean I don't know what else

[Speaker 6] (2:02:09 - 2:02:10)
You you don't

[Speaker 3] (2:02:10 - 2:02:10)
need

[Speaker 6] (2:02:10 - 2:02:10)
need a bylaw.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:10 - 2:02:11)
a bylaw to tell you to do that.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:11 - 2:02:15)
I mean one of the examples that came up last time was the fields were closed for inclement weather, but they were still utilizing them.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:15 - 2:02:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:15 - 2:02:18)
That's a different violation other than

[Speaker 3] (2:02:18 - 2:02:18)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:18 - 2:02:18)
not having a

[Speaker 6] (2:02:18 - 2:02:18)
You

[Speaker 1] (2:02:18 - 2:02:19)
permit.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:19 - 2:02:19)
don't need a bylaw.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:19 - 2:02:20)
So why aren't they able

[Speaker 1] (2:02:20 - 2:02:20)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:02:20 - 2:02:20)
to go down

[Speaker 1] (2:02:20 - 2:02:20)
I'm not

[Speaker 3] (2:02:20 - 2:02:21)
there and sure say

[Speaker 1] (2:02:21 - 2:02:21)
if

[Speaker 3] (2:02:21 - 2:02:21)
get

[Speaker 1] (2:02:21 - 2:02:21)
these

[Speaker 3] (2:02:21 - 2:02:21)
off?

[Speaker 1] (2:02:21 - 2:02:21)
are the exact solutions.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:21 - 2:02:22)
That's the main issue.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:22 - 2:02:22)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (2:02:23 - 2:02:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:02:24 - 2:02:24)
This is

[Speaker 7] (2:02:24 - 2:02:24)
Or

[Speaker 1] (2:02:24 - 2:02:24)
because

[Speaker 5] (2:02:24 - 2:02:25)
the bystander. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:25 - 2:02:25)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:02:25 - 2:02:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:26 - 2:02:34)
I mean if they're damaging the field using them when, like for example a the Swampscott youth soccer can't use it because it's closed, which having

[Speaker 3] (2:02:34 - 2:02:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:34 - 2:02:38)
because of rain, then there should be that is as a

[Speaker 1] (2:02:39 - 2:02:41)
a data point of fairness, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:02:41 - 2:02:45)
Arden town members and other leagues who are paying are not using the fields either,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:45 - 2:02:48)
so we should enforce it across all people who are using the fields.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:48 - 2:02:54)
I understand that and I don't understand why that is the chief is saying he doesn't have a mechanism today to

[Speaker 3] (2:02:54 - 2:02:54)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:54 - 2:02:56)
do that. So that is why I we

[Speaker 3] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
would love

[Speaker 1] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
felt

[Speaker 3] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
like

[Speaker 3] (2:02:56 - 2:02:57)
ask

[Speaker 1] (2:02:57 - 2:02:57)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:02:57 - 2:02:57)
him

[Speaker 1] (2:02:57 - 2:02:57)
need to

[Speaker 3] (2:02:57 - 2:02:58)
all of these questions,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:58 - 2:03:03)
therefore I would like him in front of us so we can do that because I've got a laundry list of questions for him as

[Speaker 5] (2:03:03 - 2:03:03)
Do

[Speaker 3] (2:03:03 - 2:03:03)
to why.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:03 - 2:03:04)
you want us to get them on the phone?

[Speaker 1] (2:03:05 - 2:03:05)
Oh, sure.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:06 - 2:03:08)
I'd love to. Can we get, I mean.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:08 - 2:03:08)
I mean

[Speaker 8] (2:03:08 - 2:03:09)
We'll bring him to the next meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:09 - 2:03:10)
And I and I also think

[Speaker 3] (2:03:10 - 2:03:10)
And I

[Speaker 1] (2:03:10 - 2:03:10)
in

[Speaker 3] (2:03:10 - 2:03:10)
also

[Speaker 1] (2:03:10 - 2:03:10)
fairness

[Speaker 3] (2:03:10 - 2:03:19)
think Miss Farley or Wolf whatever should needs to be here as well because she's the one assigning permits. I want to understand her process and what people have to do,

[Speaker 3] (2:03:19 - 2:03:26)
right? And who monitors whether or not someone got a permit, right? I mean, is she receive, is she getting a stipend to do this?

[Speaker 9] (2:03:27 - 2:03:27)
Jesus.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:27 - 2:03:32)
Okay, so she should be monitoring who's using what field at what time, right? If there's a problem,

[Speaker 5] (2:03:32 - 2:03:32)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:03:32 - 2:03:36)
if Mr Picarello observed someone, can we pick up the phone and call her and say somebody's on this field,

[Speaker 5] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:36 - 2:03:37)
do they have a permit?

[Speaker 5] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
No.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
Well

[Speaker 5] (2:03:37 - 2:03:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:38 - 2:03:39)
uh Yeah, you can't do that.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:39 - 2:03:39)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:03:39 - 2:03:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:39 - 2:03:41)
I did that once. And

[Speaker 11] (2:03:41 - 2:03:42)
She got mad at me for giving that.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:42 - 2:03:44)
Gino gave gave her a

[Speaker 3] (2:03:44 - 2:03:45)
She what?

[Speaker 9] (2:03:45 - 2:03:45)
an

[Speaker 11] (2:03:45 - 2:03:46)
I She didn't have that,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:46 - 2:03:46)
earful.

[Speaker 11] (2:03:46 - 2:03:47)
it's your, your cell phone number.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:47 - 2:03:49)
Okay well, then she's

[Speaker 5] (2:03:49 - 2:03:49)
So y

[Speaker 3] (2:03:49 - 2:03:50)
then I'm gonna get mad

[Speaker 5] (2:03:50 - 2:03:50)
but at Russ,

[Speaker 3] (2:03:50 - 2:03:50)
her. So

[Speaker 5] (2:03:50 - 2:03:53)
you don't have an issue you t you don't have an issue with people

[Speaker 5] (2:03:54 - 2:03:56)
Pulling a permit and using

[Speaker 9] (2:03:56 - 2:03:56)
Absolutely

[Speaker 5] (2:03:56 - 2:03:57)
the field.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:57 - 2:03:57)
not.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:57 - 2:03:57)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:57 - 2:04:01)
I don't care where they are as long as they pay to play.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:01 - 2:04:01)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:04:01 - 2:04:06)
Well, and as long as they also pick up their trash, because that was one of the other issues,

[Speaker 12] (2:04:06 - 2:04:07)
you know, I...

[Speaker 9] (2:04:07 - 2:04:07)
Monday

[Speaker 1] (2:04:07 - 2:04:07)
Well, that

[Speaker 9] (2:04:07 - 2:04:07)
morning,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:07 - 2:04:08)
must be part

[Speaker 9] (2:04:08 - 2:04:08)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:04:08 - 2:04:09)
residents of their fee.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:09 - 2:04:13)
that walk the track from both sides of the field have to pick up trash.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:13 - 2:04:14)
Right, and that

[Speaker 3] (2:04:14 - 2:04:14)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:04:14 - 2:04:14)
should

[Speaker 3] (2:04:14 - 2:04:15)
that should be part of their fee.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:15 - 2:04:19)
That should be part of their fee and that should be true of the All conduct related

[Speaker 5] (2:04:19 - 2:04:19)
permits.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:19 - 2:04:20)
to when you

[Speaker 3] (2:04:20 - 2:04:20)
you, whether

[Speaker 1] (2:04:20 - 2:04:21)
Pull

[Speaker 3] (2:04:21 - 2:04:21)
a security

[Speaker 1] (2:04:21 - 2:04:21)
a permit.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:21 - 2:04:22)
deposit is pulled or whatever

[Speaker 1] (2:04:22 - 2:04:23)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:23 - 2:04:31)
it is, or we get your credit card or something. So if you're leaving stuff on our field, we're gonna charge you fifty bucks to clean it. That should be I'd love to see this process that

[Speaker 1] (2:04:31 - 2:04:31)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:31 - 2:04:31)
that we have but these

[Speaker 1] (2:04:31 - 2:04:32)
a lot

[Speaker 3] (2:04:32 - 2:04:32)
permits

[Speaker 1] (2:04:32 - 2:04:32)
of people don't

[Speaker 3] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
because they think that

[Speaker 1] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
understand

[Speaker 3] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
we have some holes.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:33 - 2:04:34)
it. I think th

[Speaker 9] (2:04:34 - 2:04:39)
And I don't believe it's twenty dollars per individual per game. It's like be now 'cause it's

[Speaker 13] (2:04:40 - 2:04:41)
It's in here,

[Speaker 13] (2:04:41 - 2:04:41)
Gino.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:41 - 2:04:46)
That's not at the same fee we charge the youth groups. It's $20 per participant per season.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:46 - 2:04:48)
They get the whole year.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:48 - 2:04:48)
Okay,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:48 - 2:04:48)
It's not 20

[Speaker 3] (2:04:48 - 2:04:48)
so

[Speaker 5] (2:04:48 - 2:04:48)
I Right.

[Speaker 13] (2:04:48 - 2:04:48)
Wow.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:48 - 2:04:48)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:04:48 - 2:04:50)
think this whole thing needs to be revisited, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:04:51 - 2:04:51)
The process,

[Speaker 5] (2:04:51 - 2:04:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:51 - 2:04:53)
the permitting process,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:53 - 2:04:54)
who's in charge,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:54 - 2:04:54)
enforcement,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:55 - 2:04:55)
all of it.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:56 - 2:04:56)
So not,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:56 - 2:05:00)
and I don't mean to say that I don't want this article in here to be action,

[Speaker 3] (2:05:00 - 2:05:02)
but I think it needs some work.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:02 - 2:05:05)
So that is why I would respectfully think that we should,

[Speaker 3] (2:05:05 - 2:05:06)
at this point, pull it off.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:06 - 2:05:06)
off

[Speaker 1] (2:05:06 - 2:05:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:05:07 - 2:05:07)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:05:07 - 2:05:07)
and what

[Speaker 3] (2:05:07 - 2:05:08)
do what we need to do.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:08 - 2:05:16)
worries me is that the language is such that we may be causing more problems than solving the problem we have at hand.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:17 - 2:05:20)
And so I want to solve the problem at hand.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:20 - 2:05:26)
I don't want to cause more issues and I want to make sure that we are being fair across the board.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:26 - 2:05:28)
So for me...

[Speaker 1] (2:05:28 - 2:05:33)
I would like to indefinitely postpone the article,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:33 - 2:05:36)
get the language correct to solve the problem at hand,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:36 - 2:05:42)
make sure we understand the full size and issue of the problem, and then put it forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:43 - 2:05:44)
The next town You meeting is

[Speaker 5] (2:05:44 - 2:05:46)
know, you don't for need that. the police to come down and ask

[Speaker 9] (2:05:46 - 2:05:46)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (2:05:46 - 2:05:53)
to leave the field. Actually, the field, the person in charge of the fields can come down and ask them to get off the field.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:53 - 2:05:54)
That should be the first line.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
If that

[Speaker 5] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
think

[Speaker 3] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
person

[Speaker 5] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
when

[Speaker 3] (2:05:54 - 2:05:55)
can't do it, then we call the

[Speaker 5] (2:05:55 - 2:05:55)
Danielle

[Speaker 3] (2:05:55 - 2:05:56)
police.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:56 - 2:05:58)
Strauss was in charge of these fields,

[Speaker 5] (2:05:59 - 2:06:01)
Danielle Strauss will go right out there and tell people,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:01 - 2:06:02)
you don't have a permit,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:02 - 2:06:03)
you have to get off these fields

[Speaker 3] (2:06:03 - 2:06:03)
Oh, absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:03 - 2:06:04)
until you get a permit.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:04 - 2:06:05)
Well, Daniel Strauss

[Speaker 5] (2:06:05 - 2:06:05)
She controlled chased it.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:05 - 2:06:09)
these guys all around town to get a permit,

[Speaker 9] (2:06:09 - 2:06:10)
and if they didn't have a permit,

[Speaker 9] (2:06:11 - 2:06:11)
she...

[Speaker 9] (2:06:11 - 2:06:11)
Ask

[Speaker 5] (2:06:11 - 2:06:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:12 - 2:06:12)
them to leave,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:12 - 2:06:12)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (2:06:12 - 2:06:13)
keep

[Speaker 5] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
I believe

[Speaker 9] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
it.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
it.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
For years.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:13 - 2:06:15)
We have somebody that can do that then.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:16 - 2:06:17)
Well, she's not getting the

[Speaker 9] (2:06:17 - 2:06:17)
Part

[Speaker 1] (2:06:17 - 2:06:17)
same opportunity

[Speaker 9] (2:06:17 - 2:06:18)
of the deal we talked

[Speaker 1] (2:06:18 - 2:06:18)
though.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:18 - 2:06:18)
about

[Speaker 5] (2:06:18 - 2:06:18)
No,

[Speaker 9] (2:06:18 - 2:06:18)
when

[Speaker 5] (2:06:18 - 2:06:19)
not Daniel.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:19 - 2:06:19)
we

[Speaker 5] (2:06:19 - 2:06:19)
I'm not Daniel.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:19 - 2:06:27)
were talking about maybe just protecting the fenced in fields because those are the ones we're spending $80,000 a year to treat.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:27 - 2:06:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:28 - 2:06:29)
Upper Jackson,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:29 - 2:06:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:29 - 2:06:29)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:06:29 - 2:06:30)
Is

[Speaker 9] (2:06:30 - 2:06:30)
traffic.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:30 - 2:06:31)
this a fenced in field?

[Speaker 1] (2:06:31 - 2:06:31)
Yes,

[Speaker 9] (2:06:31 - 2:06:31)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:31 - 2:06:32)
it is.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:32 - 2:06:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:32 - 2:06:32)
The track is not.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:32 - 2:06:33)
Wait, when you say treat.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:34 - 2:06:35)
Treat.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:35 - 2:06:37)
with fertilizer,

[Speaker 9] (2:06:37 - 2:06:38)
organic by the way.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38)
Organic.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:38 - 2:06:40)
Yeah, that's why we jump from 40 to 80.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:41 - 2:06:42)
Got it, yep, yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:42 - 2:06:47)
But we do treat these fields organically in to 80,000 to the tune of 80,000 dollars a year which is significant.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:48 - 2:06:50)
Got it. And just one of my concerns is just, again,

[Speaker 12] (2:06:50 - 2:06:54)
with the language, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but the fact that this was printed in a warrant,

[Speaker 12] (2:06:54 - 2:06:57)
reviewed by town council and

[Speaker 5] (2:06:57 - 2:06:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:58 - 2:07:00)
just has these issues is...

[Speaker 12] (2:07:00 - 2:07:01)
Just

[Speaker 3] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 12] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01)
crumbling.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:01 - 2:07:02)
honestly, Yeah, I can't

[Speaker 3] (2:07:02 - 2:07:02)
it

[Speaker 1] (2:07:02 - 2:07:02)
believe

[Speaker 3] (2:07:02 - 2:07:02)
shouldn't

[Speaker 1] (2:07:02 - 2:07:03)
that we're in and

[Speaker 3] (2:07:03 - 2:07:06)
have even, this shouldn't even have gone in here, and that is no offense

[Speaker 1] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
to

[Speaker 12] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
your

[Speaker 1] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
not,

[Speaker 12] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
this

[Speaker 3] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
camera

[Speaker 12] (2:07:06 - 2:07:07)
is...

[Speaker 3] (2:07:07 - 2:07:07)
at all.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:08 - 2:07:12)
Because when I tell you I'm going to solve this, I mean it. Because I'm as irate as you are right now.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:13 - 2:07:15)
And believe me, it's no,

[Speaker 3] (2:07:15 - 2:07:18)
I appreciate you doing it. I hate that you had to get to this point.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:18 - 2:07:22)
It's a shame that last spring it rained for two days straight,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:22 - 2:07:24)
and as soon as it stopped raining,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:24 - 2:07:27)
they were up there pulling feet on the soccer field,

[Speaker 3] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:27 - 2:07:28)
destroying the grass.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:28 - 2:07:31)
And by mid-August, if this continues,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:31 - 2:07:33)
and it will every single weekend,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:34 - 2:07:38)
in front of the goals in a 15-foot...

[Speaker 9] (2:07:39 - 2:07:41)
A ten foot area, it's going to be dirt,

[Speaker 3] (2:07:41 - 2:07:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:42 - 2:07:43)
not grass.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:43 - 2:07:44)
So in the interim,

[Speaker 14] (2:07:44 - 2:07:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:44 - 2:07:47)
I would love you to speak to the, to Ms.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:47 - 2:08:07)
Wolf and explain to her her stipend is being paid so that she is the first line of defense from people that are unpermitted on those fields. So I would expect her to be policing that and if she can't, then she can kick it up to the police if it becomes an issue that

[Speaker 3] (2:08:06 - 2:08:28)
issue that she can't manage but she should be down there and she should be speaking to this man mr Picarello so that he can provide her with the details of when these people are here and she can ask them if they have a permit at the very minimum without even dealing with this in the warrant or the bylaw she should be able she should be doing that this shouldn't have got to this point right we should he shouldn't have had to do this you know and and that's

[Speaker 3] (2:08:29 - 2:08:29)
That's on us.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:29 - 2:08:32)
I understand it's just not me. It's

[Speaker 3] (2:08:32 - 2:08:33)
I know.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:33 - 2:08:35)
the residents from both sides of the field.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:35 - 2:08:36)
The Greenway and

[Speaker 3] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:36 - 2:08:38)
the Foster Pond area,

[Speaker 9] (2:08:38 - 2:08:40)
they all walk their dogs up there.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:40 - 2:08:41)
They see what's going on.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:42 - 2:08:43)
And you came before us in the summer,

[Speaker 9] (2:08:43 - 2:08:44)
This month

[Speaker 3] (2:08:44 - 2:08:44)
telling us this.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:44 - 2:08:48)
they were up there at 10 o'clock in the morning.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:49 - 2:08:54)
The the law that the the procedure says that field cannot be used until noon

[Speaker 3] (2:08:54 - 2:08:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:54 - 2:08:58)
So what it and they had a boombox blaring music

[Speaker 3] (2:08:58 - 2:08:58)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
on a Sunday morning

[Speaker 1] (2:09:00 - 2:09:02)
I called the police.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:02 - 2:09:05)
Fifteen minutes later they came up and music stopped.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:06 - 2:09:09)
Play continued until three o'clock in the afternoon.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:09 - 2:09:10)
Yeah. Uh-uh.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:11 - 2:09:11)
Well, it sounds

[Speaker 4] (2:09:11 - 2:09:11)
like Well listen,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:11 - 2:09:13)
we have a road.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:13 - 2:09:13)
I just

[Speaker 3] (2:09:13 - 2:09:14)
We're on the right road here.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:14 - 2:09:14)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:14 - 2:09:18)
I want to be clear if they get a permit they can play their till 3 o'clock in the afternoon

[Speaker 1] (2:09:18 - 2:09:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:19 - 2:09:20)
They can play all day long.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:20 - 2:09:37)
like right. the purpose of the field is to be utilized the purpose of the field is to be an open space where people find community and find camaraderie and all of those things so I don't want to lose sight of the purpose of there's not a ton of space in Swanscott as we all know and so

[Speaker 4] (2:09:38 - 2:09:43)
So, like, I just want to iterate that we are not trying to keep people from using fields,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:43 - 2:09:49)
we are just trying to align them with the practice of using them respectfully and within the protocol which we have intact.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:49 - 2:09:56)
Okay, so for right now, so we're going to, we need a motion to

[Speaker 5] (2:09:57 - 2:09:58)
indefinitely postpone

[Speaker 6] (2:09:58 - 2:09:59)
Motion to indefinitely postpone

[Speaker 7] (2:09:59 - 2:09:59)
Exactly.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:59 - 2:10:00)
Article 20.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:00 - 2:10:01)
All in favor?

[Speaker 8] (2:10:01 - 2:10:01)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:01 - 2:10:05)
Aye. And then Gino you are going to work with getting this

[Speaker 8] (2:10:05 - 2:10:07)
I'll continue to work with John.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:07 - 2:10:17)
Yeah, and we should be able to tap into council, 'cause I cannot believe that we are the only municipality in their repertoire who is trying to who has done something like this. So I can't believe they don't have

[Speaker 6] (2:10:17 - 2:10:17)
No,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:17 - 2:10:17)
language

[Speaker 6] (2:10:17 - 2:10:18)
I not reinvent

[Speaker 4] (2:10:18 - 2:10:18)
that

[Speaker 6] (2:10:18 - 2:10:18)
the wheel.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:18 - 2:10:18)
No way.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:18 - 2:10:19)
that is better than this.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:19 - 2:10:20)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:20 - 2:10:20)
No

[Speaker 7] (2:10:20 - 2:10:20)
We

[Speaker 5] (2:10:20 - 2:10:20)
way.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:20 - 2:10:24)
have issues on our tax bill with other schools coming over to use our field

[Speaker 6] (2:10:24 - 2:10:24)
Oh, of course,

[Speaker 7] (2:10:24 - 2:10:24)
because

[Speaker 6] (2:10:24 - 2:10:25)
yeah, I've I've seen that.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:25 - 2:10:25)
seen it.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:26 - 2:10:27)
They can't use this.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:27 - 2:10:27)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:28 - 2:10:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:28 - 2:10:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:29 - 2:10:29)
Some private schools.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:29 - 2:10:31)
A local school.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:31 - 2:10:31)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:31 - 2:10:32)
I mean there's no

[Speaker 4] (2:10:32 - 2:10:34)
Well, maybe we should revisit the field fees

[Speaker 6] (2:10:34 - 2:10:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:34 - 2:10:37)
if we are going to be starting to have things like that, because we have.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:37 - 2:10:54)
You know what I think down at the turf field I honestly think that we should put a senior work-off person sitting there and monitoring people coming it they they're just going in there they're practicing they're they're not doing any harm but other than ripping the fence apart to go through

[Speaker 6] (2:10:54 - 2:10:54)
A permit.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:55 - 2:10:56)
I think there's another way to facilitate.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:58 - 2:11:01)
We're going to have two inches of rain between now and

[Speaker 6] (2:11:01 - 2:11:01)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:11:01 - 2:11:01)
Saturday.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:01 - 2:11:03)
They will be up there Sunday.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:04 - 2:11:04)
Well, I think

[Speaker 1] (2:11:04 - 2:11:04)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:11:04 - 2:11:05)
Daniel

[Speaker 1] (2:11:05 - 2:11:05)
I'll be up

[Speaker 5] (2:11:05 - 2:11:06)
on Daniel might be up

[Speaker 7] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
I'll

[Speaker 5] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
there.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
be up there Sunday.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:06 - 2:11:08)
I might be up there, and then I might find myself

[Speaker 6] (2:11:08 - 2:11:09)
Daniel's going to get arrested,

[Speaker 7] (2:11:09 - 2:11:09)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:11:09 - 2:11:09)
so let's

[Speaker 7] (2:11:09 - 2:11:09)
just, I

[Speaker 5] (2:11:09 - 2:11:10)
make sure the police are on call.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:10 - 2:11:11)
make a phone call every

[Speaker 4] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11)
It's

[Speaker 7] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11)
Sunday.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11)
Mother's

[Speaker 5] (2:11:11 - 2:11:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
Day.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
Get the bank you.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:12 - 2:11:14)
Yeah, I live in the neighborhood.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:14 - 2:11:16)
You can bail me out, and Katie can be my lawyer.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:18 - 2:11:19)
Make me crazy.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:19 - 2:11:22)
Um, so since I just, I have a point of question, uh like

[Speaker 4] (2:11:23 - 2:11:25)
How since it's already printed in the warrant,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:27 - 2:11:27)
what

[Speaker 5] (2:11:27 - 2:11:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:27 - 2:11:32)
like we've just voted to indefinitely postpone it, but it's already printed in the warrant. So we'll just say it

[Speaker 9] (2:11:32 - 2:11:32)
Well

[Speaker 4] (2:11:32 - 2:11:32)
yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:32 - 2:11:34)
that's our that's our recommendation.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
So,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
It's

[Speaker 5] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
have a recommendation.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:34 - 2:11:37)
our recommendation to indefinitely postpone, but it can still be discussed at.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:38 - 2:11:40)
If peop I haven't I haven't

[Speaker 6] (2:11:40 - 2:11:40)
I'm sure they're

[Speaker 5] (2:11:40 - 2:11:40)
seen

[Speaker 6] (2:11:40 - 2:11:40)
gonna want

[Speaker 5] (2:11:40 - 2:11:40)
something

[Speaker 6] (2:11:40 - 2:11:41)
to. It's

[Speaker 5] (2:11:41 - 2:11:41)
discussed.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:41 - 2:11:42)
everybody's talking about it.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
haven't

[Speaker 4] (2:11:42 - 2:11:43)
No, I'm just curious

[Speaker 5] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
No,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:43 - 2:11:44)
as to how

[Speaker 5] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
we

[Speaker 4] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
it goes

[Speaker 5] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
moderate

[Speaker 4] (2:11:44 - 2:11:45)
since it's already in here.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:45 - 2:11:50)
it and actually send an email out saying it's def it's it's not abnormal to have something indefinitely postponed.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:52 - 2:11:52)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:52 - 2:11:56)
No, I'm not saying it's abnormal. I'm just asking from a protocol perspective what

[Speaker 5] (2:11:56 - 2:11:56)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:56 - 2:11:58)
how we envision it happening the night of town meeting.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:58 - 2:12:02)
That's all, we just stand up and say it's select board votes didn't recommend

[Speaker 4] (2:12:02 - 2:12:02)
Reports that

[Speaker 5] (2:12:02 - 2:12:02)
it.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:02 - 2:12:04)
this article be indefinitely postponed.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:04 - 2:12:04)
What

[Speaker 4] (2:12:04 - 2:12:05)
Got

[Speaker 1] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
you've all

[Speaker 4] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
it.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:05 - 2:12:09)
seen in the movie Field of Dreams is the line that says, if you build

[Speaker 7] (2:12:09 - 2:12:09)
Build it

[Speaker 1] (2:12:09 - 2:12:10)
it, they will

[Speaker 7] (2:12:10 - 2:12:10)
will come.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:10 - 2:12:10)
come.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:10 - 2:12:11)
That's right.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:11 - 2:12:12)
They are.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:12 - 2:12:13)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:12:13 - 2:12:13)
And

[Speaker 6] (2:12:13 - 2:12:13)
true.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:13 - 2:12:18)
it's also a Chinese saying that says, no tiki, no shirty.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:19 - 2:12:21)
Nope, no permit, no play.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:21 - 2:12:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:21 - 2:12:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:21 - 2:12:22)
Go the distance.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:23 - 2:12:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:23 - 2:12:24)
I get it.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:24 - 2:12:26)
Well we did build it, so we want them to

[Speaker 6] (2:12:26 - 2:12:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:12:26 - 2:12:26)
keep it we as

[Speaker 6] (2:12:26 - 2:12:26)
do.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:26 - 2:12:27)
something to

[Speaker 6] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
We

[Speaker 4] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
come want look

[Speaker 6] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
them

[Speaker 4] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
at

[Speaker 6] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
and come

[Speaker 4] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
correctly.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:27 - 2:12:28)
appropriate. Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:28 - 2:12:29)
Let's just be clear.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:29 - 2:12:35)
We want to protect the field. But the reason we don't lock the gate every week is because people want to walk the track.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:35 - 2:12:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:35 - 2:12:38)
So I can't lock the gate or lock

[Speaker 6] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38)
the gate.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:39 - 2:12:40)
We don't know.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:40 - 2:12:40)
No.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:40 - 2:12:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:41 - 2:12:45)
They would just sounds like they would figure out a way if they wanted to use it anyways if you lock the gate. So

[Speaker 6] (2:12:45 - 2:12:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:46 - 2:12:54)
Alright, so we have article one two three uh we go to article what

[Speaker 6] (2:12:54 - 2:12:56)
Is that Ru is that Chief Casada there?

[Speaker 6] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
Did I just see him walk

[Speaker 5] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
RQ?

[Speaker 6] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
by?

[Speaker 4] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:58 - 2:12:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:59 - 2:12:59)
Reuben. Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:59 - 2:13:00)
Oh, Reuben.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:02 - 2:13:06)
Okay. You can unmute yourself, Reuben. Or Diane can hear

[Speaker 6] (2:13:06 - 2:13:06)
Chief, you can unmute.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:10 - 2:13:11)
I feel like we...

[Speaker 7] (2:13:11 - 2:13:12)
You can start.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:12 - 2:13:13)
I'm here.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:13 - 2:13:14)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 5] (2:13:14 - 2:13:14)
Yep,

[Speaker 7] (2:13:14 - 2:13:15)
Yes, thank we can.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:15 - 2:13:15)
you

[Speaker 11] (2:13:17 - 2:13:25)
So I did complete a memorandum to Gino outlining my concerns in reference to Article 20.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:27 - 2:13:30)
The first, like Mr. McGrew stated,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:30 - 2:13:31)
there's nothing in the bylaws.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:31 - 2:13:34)
So if we will go and we have responded,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:34 - 2:13:37)
this has been going on for many years now.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:37 - 2:13:41)
We will end up heading there, heading to the location,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:41 - 2:13:46)
and there is no, nothing in the bylaw that says, hey,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:46 - 2:13:53)
if the police get there, then we see that, you know, people are there without a permit, we'll ask them to leave. The question comes,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:53 - 2:13:54)
okay, then what?

[Speaker 11] (2:13:54 - 2:13:56)
What happens if they say,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:56 - 2:13:57)
yeah, sure,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:57 - 2:13:58)
police officers,

[Speaker 11] (2:13:58 - 2:14:00)
we will leave, and they never leave?

[Speaker 11] (2:14:00 - 2:14:03)
They refuse to provide their identification.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:03 - 2:14:09)
We don't have a way or means to be able to forcefully remove somebody.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:09 - 2:14:12)
I know that's extreme,

[Speaker 11] (2:14:12 - 2:14:22)
but we cannot be in the middle of forcing somebody, physically moving somebody or arresting somebody for a town bylaw violation,

[Speaker 11] (2:14:22 - 2:14:26)
which is a civil violation. So that's...

[Speaker 11] (2:14:26 - 2:14:26)
That

[Speaker 6] (2:14:26 - 2:14:27)
Can you issue

[Speaker 11] (2:14:27 - 2:14:27)
is them something

[Speaker 6] (2:14:27 - 2:14:28)
a ticket?

[Speaker 11] (2:14:28 - 2:14:28)
we

[Speaker 6] (2:14:28 - 2:14:29)
Can you issue them a ticket?

[Speaker 11] (2:14:30 - 2:14:31)
can't issue them a ticket.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:32 - 2:14:34)
What if they don't provide ID?

[Speaker 11] (2:14:34 - 2:14:36)
Many of the people who are on the track,

[Speaker 11] (2:14:37 - 2:14:38)
myself included,

[Speaker 11] (2:14:38 - 2:14:42)
you might not carry your wallet or your ID with you, with yourself.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:42 - 2:14:44)
So that is another issue.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:44 - 2:14:48)
So we don't have a way to properly identify.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:49 - 2:14:51)
That's something that we would want to put.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:51 - 2:14:54)
And that's the reason for the bylaw.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:54 - 2:14:55)
um,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:55 - 2:14:56)
Be quite.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:56 - 2:15:17)
recommendation of changing of revising the saying, hey, you need to provide or uh the appropriate party has to provide identification so that we already have an identification on file so that we know okay, who is the uh origina or originator of this request and now we have some something to go off of in terms of identification.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:18 - 2:15:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:18 - 2:15:19)
So yes,

[Speaker 7] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:19 - 2:15:21)
I can issue a citation, we can issue a citation,

[Speaker 11] (2:15:22 - 2:15:29)
but it might be to, you know, just a made up name and nothing will ever happen.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:29 - 2:15:32)
And then this issue will never, it won't cease.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:33 - 2:15:35)
So what I'm concerned with, Chief,

[Speaker 6] (2:15:35 - 2:15:36)
this is my issue.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:36 - 2:15:51)
Right now I have a resident policing this issue. So at some point, this gentleman is going to get himself into a situation with these people that is going to be far worse than someone on the police department going down there and having someone say,

[Speaker 6] (2:15:51 - 2:15:55)
I don't have an ID or trying to give you, you know, a song and dance.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:55 - 2:15:59)
So that's what's most concerning to me that this has been going on for years.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:59 - 2:16:01)
And it's getting policed by a resident,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:01 - 2:16:01)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:16:01 - 2:16:15)
That, that's just not appropriate in any way, shape, or form. So there are I understand what you're saying with it not being in the bylaw, but there are a ton of things that are not in bylaws that we're able to say to people, you don't have a permit, get out, right?

[Speaker 6] (2:16:14 - 2:16:18)
Right? Or you don't have this or you're speeding in my town,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:18 - 2:16:21)
you know, here's a ticket or you ran that red light,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:21 - 2:16:22)
I'm going to pull you over,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:22 - 2:16:23)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:16:23 - 2:16:30)
Same type that that's kind of the line of thinking that I have. If I if we have to have a an officer stationed at that field,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:30 - 2:16:34)
I mean, is that what we're gonna have to do like have someone stationed and say can I see your permit?

[Speaker 6] (2:16:34 - 2:16:41)
Do I have to have Kelly Wolf go down there and pay her to sit there and check permits? I mean, we there has to be something other than

[Speaker 6] (2:16:41 - 2:16:49)
this resident wording of a bylaw to enforce this it's something that sounds like it's been going on for years it's making my head pop off right now

[Speaker 4] (2:16:49 - 2:16:49)
I also

[Speaker 6] (2:16:49 - 2:16:49)
that there is

[Speaker 4] (2:16:49 - 2:16:50)
don't

[Speaker 6] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
nothing think else

[Speaker 4] (2:16:50 - 2:16:58)
that this is going to solve any of our problems. I think that just having the police be authorized to enforce the bylaw, this is what will happen.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:58 - 2:17:01)
Nobody will get in my, from what I understand from the resident,

[Speaker 4] (2:17:01 - 2:17:03)
nobody will get a permit.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:03 - 2:17:04)
The police will be called.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:04 - 2:17:07)
The police will be called. The police will have a conversation.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:07 - 2:17:07)
Do you have a permit?

[Speaker 4] (2:17:07 - 2:17:08)
We do not have a permit.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:09 - 2:17:09)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:09 - 2:17:11)
We're going to issue a citation. Nobody has their wallet.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:11 - 2:17:12)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:12 - 2:17:12)
And I like

[Speaker 6] (2:17:12 - 2:17:12)
mean, people

[Speaker 4] (2:17:12 - 2:17:12)
how,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:12 - 2:17:12)
cutting

[Speaker 4] (2:17:12 - 2:17:13)
this doesn't

[Speaker 6] (2:17:13 - 2:17:13)
off locks?

[Speaker 4] (2:17:13 - 2:17:15)
solve the problem. This doesn't solve the problem.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:15 - 2:17:18)
So I don't know what the correct answer is and I will.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:19 - 2:17:20)
They're damaging property,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:20 - 2:17:25)
they're cutting off locks and sticking stuff in the field, and we can't do anything about it without a bylaw?

[Speaker 6] (2:17:25 - 2:17:26)
I mean, that sounds crazy to me.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:27 - 2:17:28)
I don't know, maybe

[Speaker 11] (2:17:28 - 2:17:30)
I think that that we need that we're concerned about.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:31 - 2:17:31)
So yes,

[Speaker 11] (2:17:32 - 2:17:40)
if you know somebody's cut off the law, we need to be able to prove that to be able to arrest somebody for for that. If there had been cut,

[Speaker 11] (2:17:40 - 2:17:42)
nobody saw it. There's 20 people there.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:42 - 2:17:43)
They're not going to say anything.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:43 - 2:17:52)
We don't we don't have we don't have somebody that we can actually issue a summons to or arrest them for destruction of property. So it's easy to say yes,

[Speaker 11] (2:17:52 - 2:17:56)
they are doing this somebody is doing this somebody is destroying property.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:56 - 2:18:24)
property but it's our job as police to be able to prove that and summon somebody to court or physically arrest somebody if that would if that would need be so it's not as easy as it sounds from a police perspective in terms of yeah they're destroying our car absolutely there should you know we should have some some some things in place to prevent that but what I'm saying is it doesn't change the fact that

[Speaker 11] (2:18:24 - 2:18:27)
We're not going to be able to prove that as a town.

[Speaker 11] (2:18:27 - 2:18:30)
So the property is still going to be destroyed.

[Speaker 11] (2:18:31 - 2:18:34)
We're not going to be able to arrest anybody.

[Speaker 11] (2:18:34 - 2:18:36)
And another thing with the residents,

[Speaker 11] (2:18:36 - 2:18:43)
the unfortunate part is when you place the police in middle of a situation where you're saying,

[Speaker 11] (2:18:43 - 2:18:46)
hey, there are brown and black kids on this field.

[Speaker 11] (2:18:46 - 2:18:54)
That right there is a red flag for me to say we are not getting involved in that because the last thing that we want is

[Speaker 1] (2:18:56 - 2:19:00)
Protests where the police arrested a young black

[Speaker 1] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
don't

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:04)
Who said that, though? Who said that there are brown and black kids?

[Speaker 2] (2:19:04 - 2:19:05)
Where did that come from?

[Speaker 2] (2:19:05 - 2:19:06)
Did he say that?

[Speaker 1] (2:19:07 - 2:19:08)
That yes

[Speaker 1] (2:19:08 - 2:19:09)
That came from Mr.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:09 - 2:19:28)
Picarello. And there's documentation back from when Ron Madigan was the chief that clearly outlined if we get any calls that in that imply any bias whatsoever and not about the actions of of the peo of people or persons involved, we will not respond. You're not

[Speaker 2] (2:19:28 - 2:19:28)
She

[Speaker 1] (2:19:28 - 2:19:29)
going to put the police

[Speaker 2] (2:19:29 - 2:19:29)
She

[Speaker 1] (2:19:29 - 2:19:29)
in

[Speaker 2] (2:19:29 - 2:19:29)
I've

[Speaker 1] (2:19:29 - 2:19:29)
the middle

[Speaker 2] (2:19:29 - 2:19:30)
seen she

[Speaker 1] (2:19:30 - 2:19:30)
of

[Speaker 2] (2:19:30 - 2:19:30)
this

[Speaker 1] (2:19:30 - 2:19:30)
the street.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:30 - 2:19:31)
this is news to me.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:31 - 2:19:31)
Mr.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:31 - 2:19:32)
I have not heard this

[Speaker 3] (2:19:32 - 2:19:35)
Picarello was here tonight and he did not

[Speaker 3] (2:19:35 - 2:19:39)
say anything like that. He actually was very clear. He completely supports anybody,

[Speaker 3] (2:19:39 - 2:19:51)
anybody from anywhere playing on the field. He just is concerned with making sure people have permits so that they're actively participating in taking care of the fields.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:51 - 2:19:52)
That

[Speaker 3] (2:19:52 - 2:19:52)
I just want

[Speaker 1] (2:19:52 - 2:19:53)
I completely agree,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:53 - 2:19:54)
but

[Speaker 4] (2:19:54 - 2:19:54)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:19:54 - 2:19:54)
there's

[Speaker 4] (2:19:54 - 2:19:55)
just want to chief

[Speaker 1] (2:19:55 - 2:19:56)
documents that send otherwise.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:56 - 2:19:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:57 - 2:20:04)
if you could just explain to me mrs. Kate this is Katie Phelan if you could just explain to me how the

[Speaker 4] (2:20:05 - 2:20:17)
issuance of the article will help facilitate your issue when you arrive at the field I don't understand that part so if you could just explain it to me that would be very helpful

[Speaker 1] (2:20:18 - 2:20:23)
So I think one way that we can, and I don't disagree with the premise of

[Speaker 1] (2:20:24 - 2:20:29)
Somebody or people are destroying our fields and we need to address that.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:29 - 2:20:39)
I think if we work in conjunction with the permitting authority and that there's identification given up front,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:39 - 2:20:46)
there is, you know, certain things that we have to share with us so that later when there's a violation,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:46 - 2:20:51)
we can issue a fine. Right now, I don't even think there's a fine schedule.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:52 - 2:20:55)
for for the actual using

[Speaker 2] (2:20:55 - 2:20:55)
Is that okay?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:55 - 2:20:57)
the field without a permit yes

[Speaker 4] (2:20:57 - 2:21:01)
Okay, so say they never pull up, say they never pull a permit,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:01 - 2:21:02)
Chief,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:02 - 2:21:05)
and you get there and this bylaw is passed,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:05 - 2:21:10)
what will this bylaw help you do that you cannot do today?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:10 - 2:21:12)
I think that if you

[Speaker 1] (2:21:12 - 2:21:37)
If the bylaw says about providing identification for the use of the fields in that application process there's a there's I think there's eight fields that that is on our website I think if you clearly outline what needs to be done in order to obtain a permit for the field that gives us great flexibility in saying okay

[Speaker 1] (2:21:38 - 2:21:40)
We have this person's name on file.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:40 - 2:21:42)
Now I can call them, I can find out, hey,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:43 - 2:21:44)
is this you on the field?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:45 - 2:21:47)
Also making certain instructions saying,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:47 - 2:21:50)
hey, if you are pulling a permit for this field,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:50 - 2:21:53)
you must be on site so that we,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:53 - 2:21:56)
if there's any unauthorized people on the field,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:57 - 2:21:58)
we'll know automatically,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:58 - 2:21:58)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:58 - 2:22:00)
who has the field from 8 to 10?

[Speaker 4] (2:22:00 - 2:22:03)
Totally, totally understand that point.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:03 - 2:22:04)
That makes perfect sense.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:04 - 2:22:09)
I am saying when the folks on the field do not pull a permit,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:09 - 2:22:10)
as we suspect

[Speaker 2] (2:22:10 - 2:22:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:10 - 2:22:12)
folks won't, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:22:12 - 2:22:15)
Maybe they don't know that we've passed this new bylaw, so they won't pull a permit.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:16 - 2:22:20)
What will change for the police department on arrival at the field,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:20 - 2:22:22)
knowing there is no permit pulled today,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:22 - 2:22:25)
tomorrow if we pass this bylaw?

[Speaker 1] (2:22:26 - 2:22:26)
Nothing.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:26 - 2:22:27)
Nothing.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:28 - 2:22:30)
In the same, it's going to be the same thing.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:30 - 2:22:31)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:31 - 2:22:35)
We're not going to be able to, nobody's going to provide identification.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:35 - 2:22:35)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:35 - 2:22:38)
We're not going to be able to prove identification. We're still in the same spot,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:38 - 2:22:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:38 - 2:22:40)
regardless if we put this together.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:40 - 2:22:43)
Wait, I just have one quick, people are pulling up in vehicles,

[Speaker 3] (2:22:43 - 2:22:44)
vehicles,

[Speaker 3] (2:22:44 - 2:22:50)
and they don't have identification. I mean, I think that...

[Speaker 3] (2:22:50 - 2:23:03)
I don't know, I guess part of me, I find it hard to believe that nobody is gonna have identification when you're driving you're driving up there. And I'm also having a hard time believing that we can't have conversations with these people and and

[Speaker 3] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:23:04 - 2:23:05)
can? Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:05 - 2:23:06)
Yeah, of course we can.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
There

[Speaker 1] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
It has sounds has like

[Speaker 4] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
got

[Speaker 1] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
like a

[Speaker 4] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
facelift

[Speaker 4] (2:23:06 - 2:23:07)
be a solution.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:07)
but

[Speaker 4] (2:23:07 - 2:23:07)
You're people,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (2:23:08 - 2:23:08)
Have

[Speaker 4] (2:23:08 - 2:23:08)
have a

[Speaker 3] (2:23:08 - 2:23:08)
a conversation.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:08 - 2:23:08)
conversation.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:08 - 2:23:09)
think it has to be a solution

[Speaker 5] (2:23:09 - 2:23:12)
I don't think yet. that one day that jog tells me every single sentence,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:12 - 2:23:13)
And did you ask them to leave?

[Speaker 5] (2:23:13 - 2:23:14)
and I went up there one

[Speaker 3] (2:23:14 - 2:23:14)
Did day they leave?

[Speaker 5] (2:23:14 - 2:23:18)
they they they five minutes later they said can we just finish this one game,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:18 - 2:23:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:18 - 2:23:21)
we've got two minutes to go. And I said absolutely, never

[Speaker 3] (2:23:21 - 2:23:23)
Maybe won't. Kelly can go up there and write a

[Speaker 5] (2:23:23 - 2:23:23)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:23:23 - 2:23:23)
permit.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:23 - 2:23:24)
don't think anybody's gonna write.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:25 - 2:23:26)
I mean, yeah. I

[Speaker 1] (2:23:26 - 2:23:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:23:26 - 2:23:26)
I think

[Speaker 1] (2:23:26 - 2:23:26)
we're

[Speaker 4] (2:23:26 - 2:23:26)
maybe

[Speaker 1] (2:23:26 - 2:23:26)
used

[Speaker 4] (2:23:26 - 2:23:27)
we should go to down on Sunday

[Speaker 2] (2:23:27 - 2:23:27)
uh,

[Speaker 4] (2:23:27 - 2:23:28)
and have a conversation.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:28 - 2:23:33)
honest to god, and then, you know, Reuben is gonna arrest me because I'm gonna get all caught.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:33 - 2:23:35)
You won't. It'll take take deep breath. We need

[Speaker 5] (2:23:35 - 2:23:36)
should not draw them up there.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:36 - 2:23:37)
You know I am, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:23:37 - 2:23:39)
Out of ten ten I don't think I want them caught.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
Right?

[Speaker 4] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
You know what?

[Speaker 3] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
Well, it's

[Speaker 5] (2:23:39 - 2:23:42)
Out of ten times let's see if we should count them up, how many have to leave.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:42 - 2:23:46)
I guess where I'm from as the police chief is that I just want to

[Speaker 1] (2:23:47 - 2:24:14)
nine times out of ten you know they're gonna say okay you know we're sorry they're gonna say exactly like you said can we just finish this ten minutes worth of game okay we'll be reasonable as long as somebody's not doesn't have the permit or has the you know has use of the field during that time and I think nine times out of ten that's fine but in that tenth instance and there has been instances here at Swampscott where people are not cooperative with the police it does

[Speaker 1] (2:24:15 - 2:24:22)
happen I don't want to pretend like it does not happen. But in that situation there's forcefully I can't

[Speaker 2] (2:24:22 - 2:24:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:22 - 2:24:24)
move somebody I

[Speaker 3] (2:24:24 - 2:24:24)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:24:24 - 2:24:28)
can't well they push up a shove I can't do something for a town bylaw violation.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:28 - 2:24:29)
So can I make a recommendation

[Speaker 2] (2:24:29 - 2:24:31)
So how about we literally

[Speaker 3] (2:24:31 - 2:24:31)
No

[Speaker 2] (2:24:31 - 2:24:40)
put, instead of Kelly Wolfe, how about a police officer is given this stipend and in charge of enforcing this on the field? Does that does that do anything?

[Speaker 4] (2:24:40 - 2:24:43)
Well, just so you know, the bylaw isn't enforceable by the police.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:43 - 2:24:46)
the police department right now, so it would still require us to change

[Speaker 2] (2:24:46 - 2:24:47)
But I'm saying

[Speaker 4] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47)
if

[Speaker 4] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47)
language

[Speaker 2] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47)
a

[Speaker 4] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47)
going forward.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:47 - 2:24:52)
police officer is literally the one assigning the fields and giving the permits,

[Speaker 2] (2:24:52 - 2:24:52)
right,

[Speaker 2] (2:24:52 - 2:24:56)
does that not give them then the wherewithal to go down there and say,

[Speaker 2] (2:24:56 - 2:24:59)
I know you don't have a permit because I'm the one that issues them,

[Speaker 2] (2:24:59 - 2:25:00)
you know what I mean?

[Speaker 3] (2:25:03 - 2:25:03)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:25:03 - 2:25:06)
The thing is there are solutions we will not come up with tonight

[Speaker 2] (2:25:06 - 2:25:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:06 - 2:25:06)
that probably

[Speaker 2] (2:25:06 - 2:25:06)
right.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:06 - 2:25:08)
are better fit than this solution,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:08 - 2:25:08)
Oh, for

[Speaker 4] (2:25:08 - 2:25:09)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:25:09 - 2:25:09)
sure.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:09 - 2:25:25)
So how about how about if we we keep this where we are we are going to postpone this and definitely postpone it will probably come back in the fall. Maybe we don't have to come back in the fall, but we have a plan on how we're going to start to aggressively take care of what's going on with that neighborhood.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:26 - 2:25:28)
And I want to see the procedure,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:28 - 2:25:29)
the fee schedule,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:29 - 2:25:33)
the fines, all of it. What it costs to pull a permit,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:33 - 2:25:34)
what the parameters are,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:34 - 2:25:37)
I want to see all of it written, I want to see it all in detail.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:37 - 2:25:40)
And I want, I would love to see Ms.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:40 - 2:25:42)
Wolf here to explain to me how this works.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:43 - 2:25:45)
that's at a minimum.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:45 - 2:25:46)
Well, I would think that you

[Speaker 2] (2:25:46 - 2:25:47)
Or the next level.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:47 - 2:25:55)
want to address you want to ask Ms. Wolf to please be there over the weekend and have I mean is that hurt is that

[Speaker 2] (2:25:55 - 2:25:56)
Well, I wanna

[Speaker 3] (2:25:56 - 2:25:56)
job? Is that

[Speaker 2] (2:25:56 - 2:25:56)
what exactly

[Speaker 3] (2:25:56 - 2:25:57)
work?

[Speaker 2] (2:25:57 - 2:25:58)
I wanna know what this

[Speaker 4] (2:25:58 - 2:25:58)
Let's let

[Speaker 1] (2:25:58 - 2:25:59)
So what's the standard

[Speaker 3] (2:25:59 - 2:25:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:59 - 2:25:59)
of 30

[Speaker 4] (2:25:59 - 2:25:59)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:59 - 2:25:59)
what this right.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:59 - 2:25:59)
%?

[Speaker 3] (2:25:59 - 2:26:00)
Right, you're exactly right.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:00 - 2:26:00)
What's

[Speaker 2] (2:26:00 - 2:26:00)
Let's what let's

[Speaker 3] (2:26:00 - 2:26:01)
What are the hours

[Speaker 2] (2:26:01 - 2:26:01)
chill.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:01 - 2:26:02)
surrounding the statements,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:02 - 2:26:02)
Let's let Gino

[Speaker 2] (2:26:02 - 2:26:03)
let's you know.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:03 - 2:26:04)
let's we'll

[Speaker 4] (2:26:04 - 2:26:04)
We've gone

[Speaker 3] (2:26:04 - 2:26:04)
let Gino

[Speaker 4] (2:26:04 - 2:26:04)
down the do rabbit

[Speaker 3] (2:26:04 - 2:26:05)
it.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:05 - 2:26:05)
hole, let's

[Speaker 3] (2:26:05 - 2:26:05)
Alright,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:05 - 2:26:05)
pull ourselves

[Speaker 3] (2:26:05 - 2:26:06)
alright.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:06 - 2:26:06)
back.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:06 - 2:26:06)
I'll

[Speaker 3] (2:26:06 - 2:26:07)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:07 - 2:26:07)
tell you.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:07 - 2:26:09)
Gino can handle that piece of it, and then

[Speaker 4] (2:26:09 - 2:26:10)
We can figure this out,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:10 - 2:26:10)
Alright,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:10 - 2:26:11)
of course. Yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:11 - 2:26:12)
something to listen and update as

[Speaker 4] (2:26:12 - 2:26:12)
yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:12 - 2:26:12)
appropriate.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:12 - 2:26:13)
just send us

[Speaker 3] (2:26:13 - 2:26:13)
alright,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:13 - 2:26:13)
an email.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:13 - 2:26:14)
thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:14 - 2:26:17)
Okay, so that would thank you chief, thank you chief.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:17 - 2:26:18)
Thanks chief.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
Thank you for hopping

[Speaker 1] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
on.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:18 - 2:26:19)
you.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:19 - 2:26:22)
Okay, so let's go back to

[Speaker 4] (2:26:22 - 2:26:23)
Is this where

[Speaker 3] (2:26:23 - 2:26:23)
article

[Speaker 4] (2:26:23 - 2:26:23)
we still have

[Speaker 3] (2:26:23 - 2:26:23)
article

[Speaker 4] (2:26:23 - 2:26:24)
a lot

[Speaker 3] (2:26:24 - 2:26:24)
four,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:24 - 2:26:24)
to cover here?

[Speaker 3] (2:26:24 - 2:26:27)
article four on um

[Speaker 3] (2:26:30 - 2:26:34)
in our warrant. So we have here we have one two three four

[Speaker 3] (2:26:37 - 2:26:40)
We have just 15 of these that we have to approve.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:41 - 2:26:42)
Just 15.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42)
Just 15.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:45 - 2:26:47)
Alright, so article four.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:48 - 2:26:50)
Can we have a motion to approve article four?

[Speaker 2] (2:26:50 - 2:26:51)
What is article wait a minute.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:51 - 2:26:55)
Article four is the budget. Okay, I have a question about the budget.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:55 - 2:26:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:57 - 2:27:00)
So I w I Amy are you on? It looks like

[Speaker 4] (2:27:00 - 2:27:01)
He is.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:01 - 2:27:05)
So out of all of those cuts that I suggested way back to you guys,

[Speaker 5] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:06 - 2:27:09)
how many of those were implemented and at what cost?

[Speaker 7] (2:27:12 - 2:27:19)
I believe that just under 50,000 is what the Finance Committee supported.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:21 - 2:27:23)
So aside from the Finance Committee,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:23 - 2:27:24)
I think I gave,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:24 - 2:27:28)
it was over $600,000 worth of cuts, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:27:28 - 2:27:34)
So when we first had that bu budget presentation, we were at like a hundred and fifty thousand.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:34 - 2:27:34)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:34 - 2:27:41)
And then there were another possible hundred and fifty thousand we were looking to implement that would have got us to like a three hundred thousand

[Speaker 5] (2:27:41 - 2:27:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:41 - 2:27:45)
number. How did we get from that to fifty thousand?

[Speaker 2] (2:27:46 - 2:27:47)
All of those possibilities,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
what

[Speaker 5] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
happened to them?

[Speaker 5] (2:27:48 - 2:28:05)
we whittled it down the last time to $150,000 and the majority of that was not filling a vacant position in the police or the fire department and I just didn't think that would have a negative consequence because we would have had to pay overtime to fill those positions.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:08 - 2:28:15)
Okay, so what about the additional hundred and fifty thousand you thought would potentially be there after do you remember that conversation at that meeting?

[Speaker 5] (2:28:15 - 2:28:18)
Yeah, I think we went from 600 maybe to 440,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:18 - 2:28:21)
and then the final one was the 150.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:21 - 2:28:28)
And I sat down with Amy and I couldn't g the majority of that was not backfilling two positions,

[Speaker 5] (2:28:28 - 2:28:29)
and I just said

[Speaker 2] (2:28:30 - 2:28:31)
I don't know

[Speaker 5] (2:28:31 - 2:28:31)
There's

[Speaker 2] (2:28:31 - 2:28:36)
that we get from almost 400,000 to 50 by two positions,

[Speaker 7] (2:28:36 - 2:28:36)
So,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:36 - 2:28:36)
right?

[Speaker 7] (2:28:36 - 2:28:37)
yeah, no.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:37 - 2:28:38)
So the,

[Speaker 7] (2:28:38 - 2:28:40)
Danielle,

[Speaker 7] (2:28:40 - 2:28:43)
yours was about 600,000.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:44 - 2:28:49)
The rough back of the napkin math was 440 and when we went back to ask.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:10 - 2:29:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:11 - 2:29:17)
But I believe that was inclusive of something involving the senior planner that I

[Speaker 3] (2:29:17 - 2:29:18)
So, so

[Speaker 1] (2:29:18 - 2:29:18)
was told did not

[Speaker 3] (2:29:18 - 2:29:19)
if we

[Speaker 1] (2:29:19 - 2:29:19)
cover

[Speaker 3] (2:29:19 - 2:29:19)
went

[Speaker 1] (2:29:19 - 2:29:19)
forces.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:19 - 2:29:22)
from three something to one fifteen with two positions,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:22 - 2:29:23)
one on police and fire,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:23 - 2:29:27)
that seems like an awful lot of money for two positions,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:27 - 2:29:28)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:28 - 2:29:30)
Two entry level,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:30 - 2:29:35)
a police and a fire should be about one fifty-ish, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:35 - 2:29:36)
Do you know what I'm saying,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:36 - 2:29:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:36 - 2:29:36)
Amy?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:37 - 2:29:39)
That math doesn't math to me.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:40 - 2:29:48)
So the 330 to the 115 was one entry-level police officer,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:48 - 2:29:50)
one entry-level firefighter with

[Speaker 3] (2:29:50 - 2:29:51)
For $215

[Speaker 1] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
all of those.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:51 - 2:29:52)
,000.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:53 - 2:29:54)
For two positions,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:55 - 2:29:56)
just so I'm clear,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:56 - 2:30:01)
$215,000 difference is one police and one fire position.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:02 - 2:30:03)
Right?

[Speaker 3] (2:30:05 - 2:30:05)
Wow.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:05 - 2:30:06)
We're missing something. I

[Speaker 3] (2:30:06 - 2:30:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:07 - 2:30:09)
don't think the answer can be yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:10 - 2:30:12)
Because the things also included not,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:12 - 2:30:14)
we wouldn't have health insurance for them.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:15 - 2:30:16)
So it's not just their salary.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:16 - 2:30:16)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:17 - 2:30:17)
It's the fringe too.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:18 - 2:30:21)
Okay. So, and I think I saw an email where David had suggested.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:22 - 2:30:23)
a bunch of cuts.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:23 - 2:30:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:24 - 2:30:24)
Also,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:24 - 2:30:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:24 - 2:30:26)
another hundred and something thousand.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:26 - 2:30:28)
160 some odd

[Speaker 3] (2:30:28 - 2:30:37)
And none of those were were absorbed in this final budget either. And I don't understand that piece either. That was fuel, something about fuel.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:37 - 2:30:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:38 - 2:30:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:38 - 2:30:39)
So it was fuel, snow

[Speaker 1] (2:30:39 - 2:30:39)
So,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:39 - 2:30:40)
and ice, um

[Speaker 3] (2:30:40 - 2:30:44)
Yeah. So none of that was something we were able to absorb in this budget?

[Speaker 1] (2:30:45 - 2:30:55)
Those were sent after the warrant was printed and after the Finance Committee recommended their budget and Finance Committee is the one who recommends the budget to town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:55 - 2:30:56)
Okay, so Finance Committee,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:57 - 2:31:11)
is there a way for Finance Committee to look at that after the fact? Because we're talking about trying to find as much money as possible to mitigate the increase of taxes to the people in this town. And two of us...

[Speaker 3] (2:31:12 - 2:31:23)
on this board, have done an awful lot of work to try to have that happen. Four of us on this board are are looking under every stone we can find and I am just

[Speaker 3] (2:31:23 - 2:31:28)
dumbstruck as to why none of that is being given any consideration.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:29 - 2:31:40)
And I understand what you're saying, the Finance Committee voted it, but is the Finance Committee aware that these other cuts are out there, or that, you know, I know David sent it to you, to Select Board,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:41 - 2:31:43)
I think Finance Committee was on there too.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:43 - 2:31:45)
Like, I just don't understand,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:45 - 2:31:48)
I know there's a process and an order of things happening,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:48 - 2:31:53)
but why isn't, why aren't we getting better at this?

[Speaker 3] (2:31:53 - 2:31:54)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:54 - 2:31:59)
Why aren't we why are we throwing out all these suggestions and it's no, no, no, no, no.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:00 - 2:32:01)
That's what I'm having trouble with.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:02 - 2:32:03)
I think what's

[Speaker 3] (2:32:03 - 2:32:04)
And I know that's not on you, Amy.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:04 - 2:32:06)
I don't mean to direct that at you, but I'm just trying to understand.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:06 - 2:32:20)
Yeah, I feel like what was also frustrating is like we had more momentum before we voted in support of finding of closing the gap and once we voted to close the gap it felt like it was then just put on the backs of tax.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:20 - 2:32:24)
taxpayers question mark or like it felt like not

[Speaker 3] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
It's

[Speaker 5] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
that right

[Speaker 3] (2:32:24 - 2:32:29)
all too easy to say let's use free cash or let's like, you know, let's increase taxes.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:29 - 2:32:33)
But why are we going there if we don't have to right now?

[Speaker 3] (2:32:34 - 2:32:40)
Why are we going there if we're listening to someone sit here today and complain about a bus getting cut for 100 grand?

[Speaker 3] (2:32:40 - 2:32:45)
Why are we going to these lengths if we have alternatives that we're not looking at?

[Speaker 3] (2:32:45 - 2:32:47)
That is what I'm having trouble with.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:49 - 2:32:57)
Yeah, and I mean, why are we, you know, I mean, I know there's been incredible amounts of effort and energy put into the budget process by town staff,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:58 - 2:32:58)
but, Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:58 - 2:33:00)
you Yeah. know, just certainly so period.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:02 - 2:33:03)
You know, but when

[Speaker 1] (2:33:03 - 2:33:03)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (2:33:03 - 2:33:04)
you're, but when you're, thank

[Speaker 3] (2:33:04 - 2:33:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:04 - 2:33:19)
you, when me and Gino and Patrick and everybody, all the department heads who were involved, but when you dig into this and you're looking at the five year moving averages of, you know, what we're paying for fuel and gas and then that number's doubling in the budget or,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:19 - 2:33:28)
you know, we're looking at snow and ice, you know, on a five year basis and, you know, those are things that you can evaluate and you can look at and you can say, hey.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:28 - 2:33:35)
Can we take $10,000 or $15,000 or $20,000 from here and there and protect

[Speaker 3] (2:33:35 - 2:33:35)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:35 - 2:33:37)
those essential services?

[Speaker 6] (2:33:37 - 2:33:37)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:33:37 - 2:33:37)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:37 - 2:33:38)
mean, it's pretty simple.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:39 - 2:33:42)
Taxes are going to go up or your services are going to go down.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:42 - 2:33:42)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:42 - 2:33:47)
And, you know, we need to figure out what that balance is and make those difficult decisions.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:48 - 2:33:49)
And I think that's what we're

[Speaker 3] (2:33:49 - 2:33:49)
And this

[Speaker 6] (2:33:49 - 2:33:49)
all

[Speaker 3] (2:33:49 - 2:33:50)
board is doing that.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:50 - 2:33:50)
trying to do.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:50 - 2:33:54)
We're doing that ad nauseum and it's not making any difference.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:54 - 2:33:55)
That's sticking.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:55 - 2:33:57)
And that's what I'm getting frustrated with.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:57 - 2:34:05)
So I don't know if it's, you know, and everybody's pointing a finger. So it's, you know, who took this out of finance committee voted this, we voted that.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:05 - 2:34:06)
Where does the buck stop?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:07 - 2:34:11)
Right? What else do we need to do to get a handle on this?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:12 - 2:34:13)
I just don't understand.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:13 - 2:34:14)
We can vote as amended.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:15 - 2:34:16)
We can amend it.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:16 - 2:34:19)
Yeah, I mean, we can amend it now and then a recommendation would be.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:19 - 2:34:20)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:20 - 2:34:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:21 - 2:34:22)
I mean, is that the

[Speaker 1] (2:34:22 - 2:34:22)
Finance

[Speaker 3] (2:34:22 - 2:34:22)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:34:22 - 2:34:24)
Committee's recommendation.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:25 - 2:34:39)
will be whatever they recommend in town meeting there's nothing to stop select board from going to finance committee and asking them to amend their recommendation

[Speaker 3] (2:34:39 - 2:34:48)
You know, I think we've, I know, you know, some of us have really tried to be as collaborative as possible in this process.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:49 - 2:35:05)
And I mean how many more times can we all sit down together in a room and talk things out and this and that and it just it seems like we keep getting you know back to the same point here and I don't I don't know what else this body needs to do to to put our residents in the best possible position.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:06 - 2:35:07)
I don't know what else we can do.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:21 - 2:35:24)
So unless we are going to amend this budget tonight,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:26 - 2:35:27)
All right, so the

[Speaker 3] (2:35:29 - 2:35:33)
only thing we can do is look at those,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:33 - 2:35:41)
if there are numbers there again, we just have to pull them up again and get on the phone with the finance committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:44 - 2:35:47)
The finance committee is meeting again on Monday,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:47 - 2:35:49)
so that meeting is already scheduled.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:51 - 2:35:52)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:35:52 - 2:35:58)
Where is the recommend where is the where is the recommendation of the cuts that were supposed to be in there? Was that because I David I don't have anything here.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:59 - 2:36:06)
It's it's yeah, I sorry. I just flipped it to you It's in general fund expense and the the cuts are highlighted in yellow Mary

[Speaker 4] (2:36:06 - 2:36:06)
In

[Speaker 6] (2:36:06 - 2:36:06)
Ellen

[Speaker 4] (2:36:06 - 2:36:07)
yellow.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:07 - 2:36:09)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's the only thing I have is general budget.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:09 - 2:36:10)
I got it right. I pulled it up.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:10 - 2:36:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:14 - 2:36:16)
I mean there was snow and ice there was fuel there was

[Speaker 4] (2:36:16 - 2:36:17)
How long was for what?

[Speaker 3] (2:36:17 - 2:36:19)
It was over a hundred thousand dollars worth of

[Speaker 4] (2:36:19 - 2:36:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:20 - 2:36:23)
I will say the same thing I say to all of them.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:23 - 2:36:27)
If we reduce snow and ice, we legally cannot deficit it next year.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:27 - 2:36:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:29 - 2:36:36)
So that is and would be a gamble that if you reduce it next year,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:36 - 2:36:38)
that is the extent of

[Speaker 10] (2:36:38 - 2:36:38)
it.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:38 - 2:36:46)
And if you if we have a bad winter or not even a bad winter, a lot of snow events because those are costly,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:46 - 2:36:49)
you do have to.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:51 - 2:36:58)
raise additional taxes or do something to fund that because you won't be able to legally tax it.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:58 - 2:37:00)
Right, but having to do that at that point,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:00 - 2:37:02)
I would understand.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:02 - 2:37:03)
But having to do that now,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:03 - 2:37:06)
before we get to that point,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:06 - 2:37:09)
when we've already identified a number of areas to save in,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:09 - 2:37:11)
is what I have a problem with,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:11 - 2:37:11)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:37:11 - 2:37:15)
That's what I'm...

[Speaker 3] (2:37:17 - 2:37:18)
challenged with here. I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:21 - 2:37:22)
Okay, so

[Speaker 3] (2:37:24 - 2:37:36)
let's come let's come back. Alright so we just have to it's your opinion that there is still that recommendations for cuts there's still recommendations for cuts that can come out of this budget for savings.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:37 - 2:37:38)
Thanks

[Speaker 5] (2:37:39 - 2:37:45)
The recommend to me the data hasn't been brought back to understand why the recommendations cannot be facilitated

[Speaker 3] (2:37:45 - 2:37:45)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:45 - 2:37:52)
Well, there's a couple recommend I mean, I just you have reducing a police officer and reducing a firefighter

[Speaker 1] (2:37:52 - 2:37:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:56 - 2:37:57)
No, reducing positions that

[Speaker 5] (2:37:57 - 2:37:57)
Positions

[Speaker 3] (2:37:57 - 2:37:57)
aren't filled.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:57 - 2:37:58)
that aren't filled,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:58 - 2:37:59)
not reducing.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:59 - 2:38:03)
They're in the process of filling positions right now, but they're not filled right now.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
But you look

[Speaker 3] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
Those

[Speaker 4] (2:38:03 - 2:38:04)
at our positions overtime

[Speaker 3] (2:38:04 - 2:38:04)
are,

[Speaker 4] (2:38:04 - 2:38:04)
budget.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:04 - 2:38:04)
but

[Speaker 4] (2:38:04 - 2:38:07)
It gets blown out of the water every single year.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:07 - 2:38:08)
That's why I'm reluctant to do it.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:08 - 2:38:18)
the failure for a department to maintain staffing and overtime cannot be the reason. Just throwing a position at it is not going to stop their overtime problem.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:18 - 2:38:19)
There are other problems

[Speaker 7] (2:38:19 - 2:38:20)
The positions that

[Speaker 3] (2:38:20 - 2:38:20)
within

[Speaker 7] (2:38:20 - 2:38:20)
they, the

[Speaker 3] (2:38:20 - 2:38:22)
that department that are causing overtime.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:22 - 2:38:44)
positions that, the numbers that both of those departments have are in the best recommendation for safety according to both of those chiefs. Fire is a little bit different than police and they are in the process of making sure both of those departments are fully, fully staffed. So making a recommendation to not staff them.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:45 - 2:38:47)
at the levels they should be staffed at is

[Speaker 2] (2:38:47 - 2:38:49)
Because of the minimum manning, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:49 - 2:38:51)
Minimum manning, they could go with seven, could they not in fire?

[Speaker 3] (2:38:52 - 2:38:52)
Did

[Speaker 2] (2:38:52 - 2:38:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:52 - 2:38:53)
we already have that discussion?

[Speaker 2] (2:38:53 - 2:38:55)
They can go with seven up until December fifteenth.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:55 - 2:38:56)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:56 - 2:38:57)
December fifteenth, March fifteenth,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:57 - 2:38:57)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:57 - 2:39:02)
it goes to eight. Yep. So if one guy calls out sick, they have to backfill that position.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:02 - 2:39:04)
Right, but that's the case now anyway,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:04 - 2:39:06)
even with full staffing, if one guy calls in sick.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:06 - 2:39:10)
I mean, we're not that's even if you're fully staffed and someone's still calling out sick, which

[Speaker 2] (2:39:10 - 2:39:10)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:10 - 2:39:11)
we're gonna have.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11)
Up and up.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:11 - 2:39:12)
Right?

[Speaker 2] (2:39:12 - 2:39:18)
Yeah, but we're not fully staffed during those six months. We already had a deficit because we don't have the four groups of eight.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:18 - 2:39:19)
But when

[Speaker 1] (2:39:19 - 2:39:19)
If you...

[Speaker 3] (2:39:19 - 2:39:24)
we have been fully staffed, we're still, we're still, we still have a huge problem with overtime with the fire budget.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:24 - 2:39:25)
Right?

[Speaker 3] (2:39:25 - 2:39:26)
Completely fully staffed.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:27 - 2:39:31)
Do you know what I'm saying? So the problem still exists. Whether or not it's fully staffed isn't

[Speaker 1] (2:39:31 - 2:39:34)
There are there are other issues when it comes to overtime

[Speaker 3] (2:39:34 - 2:39:34)
Yeah, that

[Speaker 2] (2:39:34 - 2:39:35)
that we all know.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:35 - 2:39:36)
are not being managed.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:36 - 2:39:37)
need to be addressed to

[Speaker 3] (2:39:37 - 2:39:37)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:37 - 2:39:37)
manage a

[Speaker 2] (2:39:37 - 2:39:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:38 - 2:39:39)
lot better mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:39 - 2:39:47)
So you're gonna have that problem with overtime no matter what. You at least would save that one position, is my thought. That's how I that's how my thought process was.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:52 - 2:39:56)
Also I'm I'm certain the schools would say that what's the difference between

[Speaker 3] (2:39:56 - 2:39:56)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:56 - 2:40:00)
not filling a fire or police department role and

[Speaker 3] (2:40:01 - 2:40:01)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:01 - 2:40:04)
cutting six teachers or whatever. You

[Speaker 3] (2:40:04 - 2:40:04)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:04 - 2:40:14)
know what I mean? Like if you're going to use the logic there you have to use it everywhere. So the schools are making those types of cuts also right now because if they don't fully fund their budget.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:15 - 2:40:18)
This the finance committee recommended fully funding.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:20 - 2:40:21)
The s the school budget.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:21 - 2:40:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:21 - 2:40:22)
Right, but

[Speaker 1] (2:40:22 - 2:40:23)
So the issue that we have here

[Speaker 4] (2:40:23 - 2:40:23)
that's where

[Speaker 1] (2:40:23 - 2:40:23)
is the burden

[Speaker 4] (2:40:23 - 2:40:24)
the money

[Speaker 1] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
on the is the

[Speaker 4] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
gonna come

[Speaker 1] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
burden

[Speaker 4] (2:40:24 - 2:40:25)
from the

[Speaker 1] (2:40:25 - 2:40:25)
on the taxpayer.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:25 - 2:40:25)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:25 - 2:40:26)
Right right.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:26 - 2:40:26)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:26 - 2:40:26)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:26 - 2:40:26)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:26 - 2:40:28)
And and that's

[Speaker 4] (2:40:29 - 2:40:29)
For

[Speaker 3] (2:40:29 - 2:40:30)
But

[Speaker 4] (2:40:30 - 2:40:30)
me,

[Speaker 3] (2:40:30 - 2:40:30)
what

[Speaker 4] (2:40:30 - 2:40:30)
it

[Speaker 3] (2:40:30 - 2:40:30)
Katie's

[Speaker 4] (2:40:30 - 2:40:30)
felt

[Speaker 3] (2:40:30 - 2:40:31)
saying is,

[Speaker 4] (2:40:31 - 2:40:36)
like we're moving in the right direction. We all got to the same page of fully funding the schools. That's wonderful.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:36 - 2:40:38)
But once we made that decision,

[Speaker 4] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40)
it felt like we stopped doing

[Speaker 3] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
we

[Speaker 4] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
a little

[Speaker 3] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
stopped

[Speaker 4] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
bit

[Speaker 3] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
looking

[Speaker 4] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
of

[Speaker 3] (2:40:40 - 2:40:41)
for

[Speaker 4] (2:40:41 - 2:40:41)
the really

[Speaker 3] (2:40:41 - 2:40:41)
cuts.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:41 - 2:40:46)
hard work of finding the cuts and we started just sort of resigning to the fact that

[Speaker 3] (2:40:46 - 2:40:46)
We

[Speaker 4] (2:40:46 - 2:40:47)
that money

[Speaker 3] (2:40:47 - 2:40:47)
have to raise

[Speaker 4] (2:40:47 - 2:40:48)
was taxes. in the hands of taxpayers.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:49 - 2:40:55)
And I think what I would like to more fully understand before we make that decision that it will be on the back of taxpayers is that.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:55 - 2:40:59)
we have done all of the due diligence and

[Speaker 3] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:59 - 2:41:07)
we understand why some of the ideas that have come up through a very thoughtful, thorough process are not going to fly going forward.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:08 - 2:41:09)
At least to David's email,

[Speaker 4] (2:41:09 - 2:41:11)
I don't understand why some of those things

[Speaker 4] (2:41:12 - 2:41:13)
can't be facilitated,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:13 - 2:41:19)
maybe even not to the degree that David's suggesting, but to a lo a lesser degree which would still close that gap.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:19 - 2:41:19)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:19 - 2:41:20)
So that

[Speaker 2] (2:41:20 - 2:41:26)
But pro I guess that's true, but to an extent. But y it's not like we're losing that money. If we don't spend the money, you you know if we're under the budget,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:26 - 2:41:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:26 - 2:41:27)
exactly,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:27 - 2:41:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:27 - 2:41:28)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:41:28 - 2:41:28)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:28 - 2:41:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:29 - 2:41:29)
I just

[Speaker 2] (2:41:30 - 2:41:43)
I think we beat up the town a lot this year, you know, and we're cutting individuals and we did the best. I'm not going to say we did the best we can, but we had a concerted effort. And none of these cuts were easy, especially when you sit with the department heads and tell them what's happening.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:44 - 2:41:46)
But it doesn't look like we Yeah. cut much,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:46 - 2:41:47)
is what I'm saying.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:47 - 2:41:47)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:41:47 - 2:41:52)
Well, out of the second time, but the first time to eliminate in two positions is

[Speaker 6] (2:41:52 - 2:41:52)
So why

[Speaker 2] (2:41:52 - 2:41:53)
is

[Speaker 6] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
don't

[Speaker 2] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
super

[Speaker 6] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
was

[Speaker 6] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
why

[Speaker 2] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
a super

[Speaker 6] (2:41:53 - 2:41:56)
don't we So why don't we do this? Why don't we why don't we all look

[Speaker 2] (2:41:56 - 2:41:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:57 - 2:41:58)
at this? Why don't we all spend

[Speaker 6] (2:41:59 - 2:42:03)
I don't know, tomorrow, next day, maybe over the weekend.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:03 - 2:42:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:03 - 2:42:04)
And we

[Speaker 1] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
Send those lists

[Speaker 6] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
we s

[Speaker 1] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
out.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:04 - 2:42:05)
we yeah, send the

[Speaker 1] (2:42:05 - 2:42:05)
lists Send

[Speaker 6] (2:42:05 - 2:42:05)
out

[Speaker 1] (2:42:05 - 2:42:05)
the list out

[Speaker 6] (2:42:05 - 2:42:06)
to again. Amy and Gino,

[Speaker 2] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:06 - 2:42:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:07 - 2:42:11)
they can consolidate and then at our next meeting we can have a we can have a thorough discussion,

[Speaker 2] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:11 - 2:42:17)
let's see what works, what doesn't work, and let's try to do our best to close that to close that gap uh

[Speaker 1] (2:42:17 - 2:42:17)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:17 - 2:42:18)
as efficiently

[Speaker 2] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:18 - 2:42:19)
and effectively as possible.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:19 - 2:42:20)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
Alright,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:20 - 2:42:21)
That would be

[Speaker 1] (2:42:21 - 2:42:21)
sounds

[Speaker 6] (2:42:21 - 2:42:21)
my recommendation.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:21 - 2:42:21)
good.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:22 - 2:42:25)
Alright, so let's move to article five.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:26 - 2:42:34)
Um, article five is to approve free cash for the utility budget, see if the town will transfer two hundred thousand from free cash to their utility reserve line.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:35 - 2:42:44)
Um I do have an issue with this, only because um I was in support of this completely because the solar wasn't on there. However,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:44 - 2:42:50)
my understanding of this was that two hundred thousand would come into play to

[Speaker 1] (2:42:51 - 2:42:54)
Once the utility bill was,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:54 - 2:42:58)
once there were spikes or once the utility bill wasn't being hit,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:58 - 2:43:01)
then we were tapping into the $200,000.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:01 - 2:43:05)
And we do have a memorandum of understanding from the schools,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:05 - 2:43:08)
and that was the memorandum of understanding.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:08 - 2:43:08)
In twenty four.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:09 - 2:43:14)
In 24. So when we, I brought copies of this just in case any

[Speaker 1] (2:43:16 - 2:43:17)
of you needed to see this.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:19 - 2:43:20)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:43:20 - 2:43:21)
So in

[Speaker 3] (2:43:21 - 2:43:22)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:22 - 2:43:45)
April of last year when we brought this up we had a big discussion of whether or not we make a stabilisation account or we just put the two hundred thousand under the facility budget to help out. So the reason why there was a lot of push-back on the stabilisation account was because why do you want to make a stabilisation account and correct me if I'm wrong Amy uh why do we want to make a stabilisation account if

[Speaker 1] (2:43:45 - 2:43:49)
It's not something that we're going to be keeping in place for over X amount of years.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:50 - 2:44:01)
So we decided let's just get the cap in there so that the school is protected for any types of spikes or additional usage for utility.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:01 - 2:44:10)
And in the 2025 budget for the schools, they had budgeted, I think, 170 or 175 or something like that.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:11 - 2:44:24)
So then you have the town administrator and the superintendent sign an agreement, and on the agreement it says clearly the funds can only be used to offset increase in utility funds.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:25 - 2:44:28)
So my understanding was always that it was an offset,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:28 - 2:44:36)
it was to help in the event it came above what the accumulation of utility funds were from the elementary schools before.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:37 - 2:44:38)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:44:38 - 2:44:45)
Meaning meaning that meaning that in the event so if there's a three hundred thousand dollar utility expenditure you

[Speaker 1] (2:44:45 - 2:44:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:45 - 2:44:51)
they whatever the line in their budget is would be paid and then this would This be this

[Speaker 1] (2:44:51 - 2:44:51)
kicks in.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:51 - 2:44:51)
utilized.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:51 - 2:44:52)
this would then

[Speaker 1] (2:44:52 - 2:44:52)
Wasn't

[Speaker 6] (2:44:52 - 2:44:53)
kick in

[Speaker 1] (2:44:53 - 2:44:53)
this

[Speaker 6] (2:44:53 - 2:44:53)
to whatever

[Speaker 1] (2:44:53 - 2:44:53)
the kick

[Speaker 6] (2:44:53 - 2:44:53)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:44:53 - 2:44:53)
in

[Speaker 6] (2:44:53 - 2:44:53)
delta

[Speaker 1] (2:44:53 - 2:44:54)
for the

[Speaker 6] (2:44:54 - 2:44:54)
would

[Speaker 1] (2:44:54 - 2:44:54)
delta?

[Speaker 6] (2:44:54 - 2:44:54)
be.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:54 - 2:44:56)
Right. That was that was my understanding.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:56 - 2:44:57)
That's what I thought

[Speaker 1] (2:44:57 - 2:44:57)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:44:57 - 2:44:57)
it was.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:57 - 2:44:57)
that was your

[Speaker 6] (2:44:57 - 2:44:57)
Me

[Speaker 1] (2:44:57 - 2:44:57)
understanding?

[Speaker 6] (2:44:57 - 2:44:58)
too.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:58 - 2:44:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:58 - 2:44:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:59 - 2:44:59)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:59 - 2:45:00)
So what

[Speaker 1] (2:45:00 - 2:45:00)
according

[Speaker 4] (2:45:00 - 2:45:00)
action?

[Speaker 1] (2:45:00 - 2:45:01)
to Amy Sorrow,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:01 - 2:45:10)
that's not what happened, is that the schools did not use their $175 and that they automatically just dipped into the $200.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:10 - 2:45:12)
So Amy, correct me if I'm wrong,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:12 - 2:45:16)
because that's what the explanation was to me.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:18 - 2:45:20)
That is correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:20 - 2:45:21)
That's correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:21 - 2:45:27)
So that means the schools just went immediately to that $200,000 fund.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:29 - 2:45:32)
And never use their allocated money first.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:34 - 2:45:34)
Amy,

[Speaker 3] (2:45:35 - 2:45:45)
is this, is this contrary to what, did we not get an email from the school committee about this from the last meeting where everyone sat here and no one knew what happened or what the situation

[Speaker 4] (2:45:45 - 2:45:45)
It must

[Speaker 3] (2:45:45 - 2:45:46)
was

[Speaker 4] (2:45:46 - 2:45:46)
be in the question

[Speaker 3] (2:45:46 - 2:45:47)
with this utility reserve?

[Speaker 3] (2:45:48 - 2:45:53)
Didn't we get something from Glenn Pastor or Charles Stella about this?

[Speaker 1] (2:45:53 - 2:45:55)
Cheryl Stella outlining sends us out a memorandum.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:56 - 2:46:00)
That's different than this. This memorandum that I received,

[Speaker 3] (2:46:01 - 2:46:05)
Something about it being discussed in tri-chair and what was agreed upon.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:05 - 2:46:13)
Yes, you are correct that Cheryl did circulate an email back in April because

[Speaker 3] (2:46:13 - 2:46:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:14 - 2:46:15)
right,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
when

[Speaker 1] (2:46:15 - 2:46:16)
in tri

[Speaker 8] (2:46:16 - 2:46:16)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:46:16 - 2:46:17)
-chair we

[Speaker 8] (2:46:17 - 2:46:17)
meeting

[Speaker 1] (2:46:17 - 2:46:17)
did,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:17 - 2:46:18)
she was clarifying.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:18 - 2:46:20)
right, we did support

[Speaker 1] (2:46:21 - 2:46:26)
in tri-chair, making sure we have the other, we have $200,000 to help support utility.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:27 - 2:46:35)
It wasn't $200,000 to, it wasn't $200,000 to absorb into a line item.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:36 - 2:46:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:40 - 2:46:41)
I mean, you folks,

[Speaker 4] (2:46:41 - 2:46:44)
This is the information. Can I just read this out loud?

[Speaker 1] (2:46:44 - 2:46:44)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:46:44 - 2:46:44)
This was

[Speaker 1] (2:46:44 - 2:46:44)
mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:44 - 2:46:50)
the free cash for SES facilities and utilities. This memo serves to clarify.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:50 - 2:46:52)
This is from the to the select board and FinCom.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:52 - 2:46:58)
Ceasing the school committee from Cheryl Stella dated April 17,

[Speaker 4] (2:46:58 - 2:47:04)
2025 regarding free cash and the Swampscott Elementary School facilities and utilities and its states.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:05 - 2:47:08)
This memo serves to clarify certain, sorry,

[Speaker 4] (2:47:08 - 2:47:15)
just trying to read it on here, certain statements and ensuing discussion that was held at the select board meeting on April 17, 2025.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:16 - 2:47:19)
Please be advised if any further discussion is required to explain.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:19 - 2:47:24)
During the 2024-25 budget planning in tri-chair meetings, we worked through all known

[Speaker 4] (2:47:26 - 2:47:32)
budget pressures. We discussed at length the estimated increased cost to operate the new elementary school.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:32 - 2:47:33)
At the time,

[Speaker 4] (2:47:33 - 2:47:40)
the facilities director estimated the new school would require an additional $190,000 over previous years.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:41 - 2:47:45)
Various options were presented on how to accommodate this increase in our budget.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:45 - 2:47:48)
Importantly, we knew that once solar was fully up and running,

[Speaker 4] (2:47:49 - 2:47:54)
we would anticipate a decrease in the overall operation costs to a more sustainable level.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:54 - 2:47:57)
This is a short-term budget problem. Well into spring of 2024,

[Speaker 4] (2:47:57 - 2:48:01)
the town administrator contemplated multiple ways with which this could be funded.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:02 - 2:48:08)
It was decided that some kind of reserve or stabilization fund would be created and used...

[Speaker 4] (2:48:08 - 2:48:12)
To offset our facility and utility costs at the new elementary school,

[Speaker 4] (2:48:12 - 2:48:13)
below is a summary.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:13 - 2:48:15)
At the March tri-chair meeting,

[Speaker 4] (2:48:15 - 2:48:17)
I agreed to draft an MOU detailing what was agreed upon.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:18 - 2:48:27)
That MOU clearly states that the money would be used for facility and utility costs. Here's a draft of the MOU that was created and sent to the town administrator. There's a link to it.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:27 - 2:48:29)
Some time later,

[Speaker 4] (2:48:29 - 2:48:37)
the town administrator and finance committee altered the allowable use to only utilities. This last minute change was without collaboration and created confusion.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:38 - 2:48:39)
We only have one utility bill.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:41 - 2:48:41)
electric.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:42 - 2:48:43)
To accommodate this school,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:44 - 2:48:45)
to accommodate this,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:45 - 2:48:53)
the schools had to zero out what had been presented in our original budget and place the $200,000 in utility reserve account. See below.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:53 - 2:48:57)
This was then reflected in the town's financial software munis.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:58 - 2:49:07)
So the Facilities Reserve Fund became two hundred thousand dollars and the Elementary School Facility Electrical Utility Service Line became zero.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:08 - 2:49:13)
The budget for the SES utility sits only in the Facilities Reserve Account.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:13 - 2:49:15)
When we have expenses for electricity,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:15 - 2:49:15)
we transfer

[Speaker 1] (2:49:16 - 2:49:20)
The budget from the reserve to our electricity line to cover the expense.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:20 - 2:49:22)
This process is approved by Town Hall.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:22 - 2:49:26)
Any money unspent in the reserve will be returned to the town.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:26 - 2:49:40)
Below are screenshots from the financial software showing the account as it stands and it looks like as of April had $71,804 left in it.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:42 - 2:49:43)
If I'm reading this correctly,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:43 - 2:49:45)
which I may not be because I

[Speaker 2] (2:49:45 - 2:49:45)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:45 - 2:49:45)
am,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:45 - 2:49:46)
it should be because

[Speaker 1] (2:49:46 - 2:49:46)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:46 - 2:49:48)
if they've used 111 so far.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:48 - 2:49:50)
They've used 128.196.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:50 - 2:49:52)
128.196.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:52 - 2:50:03)
So they, so where we thought that there was a line item in the budget and then this reserve fund was meant to be the backup offset

[Speaker 2] (2:50:03 - 2:50:03)
Offset. Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:03 - 2:50:05)
when that line item was.

[Speaker 10] (2:50:05 - 2:50:07)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:50:07 - 2:50:07)
Utilized.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:07 - 2:50:08)
Please go.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:10 - 2:50:19)
In actuality, that line item became zero and this became the only way to fund the electrical at Swampscott Elementary.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:20 - 2:50:24)
Okay, so my understanding all along,

[Speaker 2] (2:50:24 - 2:50:27)
including when I was in the last April,

[Speaker 2] (2:50:27 - 2:50:33)
was that this was to be used to offset. And even when we were having conversations.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:34 - 2:50:47)
about it, my understanding was that this two hundred thousand was to always offset that amount of money. That was Amy's understanding too. I never thought that this money was being used right in a line item.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:49 - 2:50:54)
And I'm not David, I don't know what your understanding was there, but I think if you go back and watch our meetings

[Speaker 2] (2:50:56 - 2:50:56)
You'll see.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:56 - 2:50:59)
Well, I don't think it's about your meetings. I think it's about the tri-chair meetings.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:59 - 2:50:59)
Well it's

[Speaker 2] (2:50:59 - 2:50:59)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:50:59 - 2:51:00)
Is it?

[Speaker 3] (2:51:00 - 2:51:00)
not.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:00 - 2:51:11)
don't think it's about the tri-chair meetings either because in the tri-chair meeting when we're having discussion about this 200,000 that 200,000 in my opinion is always to be an offset not to be a line item in a budget.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:11 - 2:51:17)
This was this was to me always an offset. I mean here's the you have right in front of you a signed memorandum.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:18 - 2:51:26)
That says to be used to offset increased utility costs and are not for general uses in the school or town budget.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:27 - 2:51:32)
But there was numerous discussion after this signed memorandum in May of 2024.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:32 - 2:51:34)
You've had tri-chair meetings in January,

[Speaker 4] (2:51:35 - 2:51:36)
in February of 2025 where

[Speaker 2] (2:51:36 - 2:51:37)
Our tri-chair meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:37 - 2:51:39)
there appears to be a different understanding.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:39 - 2:51:41)
But this is for this is for the fiscal year 25.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:41 - 2:51:42)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:51:42 - 2:51:43)
but after that.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:43 - 2:51:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:43 - 2:51:48)
In the tri-chair meetings there was other discussion that the school committee is saying there was agreement about.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:48 - 2:51:54)
In those tri-chair meetings, a foreign thing, there wasn't there were there were meetings with discussions. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:54 - 2:52:01)
And I do I always believe that we needed to have that extra 200,000 on the side to facilitate these spikes.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:02 - 2:52:06)
I never believed that it was $200,000 to just put in the line item,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:06 - 2:52:11)
because why would we have a st why would we have a separate stabilization, why wouldn't we just have the

[Speaker 1] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
Why line wouldn't

[Speaker 2] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
item

[Speaker 1] (2:52:11 - 2:52:12)
we just

[Speaker 2] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
right

[Speaker 1] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
fund

[Speaker 2] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
in there?

[Speaker 1] (2:52:12 - 2:52:13)
the line item?

[Speaker 2] (2:52:13 - 2:52:19)
'Cause that's what we're doing. We're not w what we're doing is we're we're calling it something that it's not.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:20 - 2:52:25)
The schools are th the schools are actually asking to put $200,000 into the budget.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:26 - 2:52:27)
It's not part of

[Speaker 4] (2:52:27 - 2:52:28)
So when Cheryl Stella

[Speaker 2] (2:52:28 - 2:52:28)
your utility.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:28 - 2:52:33)
sent this email last month, why didn't you talk to her about it? Or why didn't you ask these questions?

[Speaker 2] (2:52:33 - 2:52:34)
When she,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:34 - 2:52:36)
a couple weeks, I was a little busy a few weeks ago,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:36 - 2:52:36)
Mary

[Speaker 2] (2:52:36 - 2:52:37)
so I

[Speaker 4] (2:52:37 - 2:52:37)
Ellen, Cheryl

[Speaker 2] (2:52:37 - 2:52:38)
didn't.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:38 - 2:52:43)
Stella sent a very detailed email to all of us, 15 of us, a month ago,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:43 - 2:52:44)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:52:44 - 2:52:47)
With an explanation of this whole entire thing.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:48 - 2:52:51)
And that was the time to say to her.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:52 - 2:52:56)
No, that's not my understanding. Why is it now coming up? Why is it coming up just now?

[Speaker 2] (2:52:56 - 2:52:57)
It's coming up now.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:58 - 2:52:58)
But you I'm know,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:58 - 2:52:59)
I'm that's just I'm just saying I'm

[Speaker 2] (2:52:59 - 2:53:00)
that's inappropriate.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:00 - 2:53:00)
listen

[Speaker 4] (2:53:00 - 2:53:17)
That's not and I and I don't really feel good about that to be quite honest with you because Cheryl Stella has gone above and beyond to be collaborative and helpful to this board and if we have had questions and we have had questions it was up to us to ask her or anything we had a question about now all of a sudden at the ninth hour we want to say

[Speaker 2] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
Well

[Speaker 4] (2:53:17 - 2:53:18)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:53:18 - 2:53:18)
for one thing

[Speaker 4] (2:53:18 - 2:53:18)
wasn't

[Speaker 2] (2:53:18 - 2:53:18)
it was

[Speaker 4] (2:53:18 - 2:53:18)
my

[Speaker 2] (2:53:18 - 2:53:18)
only

[Speaker 4] (2:53:18 - 2:53:19)
understanding

[Speaker 2] (2:53:19 - 2:53:21)
it was only a few it was only a few weeks ago and I

[Speaker 4] (2:53:21 - 2:53:21)
no

[Speaker 2] (2:53:21 - 2:53:21)
had to

[Speaker 4] (2:53:21 - 2:53:22)
it go wasn't

[Speaker 2] (2:53:22 - 2:53:25)
back I had to go back hold on I had to go back and also look to see

[Speaker 2] (2:53:25 - 2:53:28)
What was my understanding because it caught me off guard.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:28 - 2:53:30)
So you know it takes a

[Speaker 4] (2:53:30 - 2:53:30)
It

[Speaker 2] (2:53:30 - 2:53:30)
little bit of

[Speaker 4] (2:53:30 - 2:53:30)
didn't

[Speaker 2] (2:53:30 - 2:53:30)
time.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:30 - 2:53:33)
catch you off guard because at the last meeting you said the same thing.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:33 - 2:53:34)
Yeah, then I turn around had to do the

[Speaker 4] (2:53:34 - 2:53:34)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:53:34 - 2:53:34)
research

[Speaker 4] (2:53:34 - 2:53:34)
that was two

[Speaker 2] (2:53:34 - 2:53:35)
on weeks it.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:35 - 2:53:35)
ago.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:36 - 2:53:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:37 - 2:53:40)
And so why didn't you ask her two weeks ago? Cheryl, what is this? This isn't my understanding.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:41 - 2:53:42)
Did you have a conversation

[Speaker 2] (2:53:42 - 2:53:42)
No,

[Speaker 4] (2:53:42 - 2:53:43)
like that?

[Speaker 2] (2:53:43 - 2:53:45)
I didn't. I was very busy two weeks ago.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:45 - 2:53:48)
Well, you know what, the election isn't the only thing that was happening in this town,

[Speaker 2] (2:53:48 - 2:53:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:49 - 2:53:49)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:53:49 - 2:53:49)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:49 - 2:53:51)
And it's not the only thing that matters,

[Speaker 2] (2:53:51 - 2:53:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:51 - 2:53:52)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:53:52 - 2:53:59)
For us to just like ignore that, ignore a big massive issue right now with our budget because of an election is crap to me.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:59 - 2:54:00)
That doesn't fly,

[Speaker 4] (2:54:00 - 2:54:01)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:54:02 - 2:54:04)
Tha that's infuriating to me

[Speaker 1] (2:54:04 - 2:54:04)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (2:54:04 - 2:54:04)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:54:04 - 2:54:07)
okay, so just thinking critically about this article itself,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:08 - 2:54:10)
if we t if we do not support this article,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:10 - 2:54:18)
then there will be no utilities at Swampskate Elementary School next year? 'Cause is it in the current budget?

[Speaker 2] (2:54:18 - 2:54:18)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:19 - 2:54:23)
Um, this is an attempt to reduce the school's budget by two hundred thousand dollars this

[Speaker 1] (2:54:23 - 2:54:23)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:54:23 - 2:54:23)
year.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:23 - 2:54:24)
understand,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:24 - 2:54:24)
but I

[Speaker 4] (2:54:24 - 2:54:28)
And understand. it is completely disingenuous, and that is how I feel about it.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:28 - 2:54:37)
I'm not saying I disagree with you. I am just asking, if this is not funded, is there another mechanism in their budget to fund the utilities at Swansea Elementary?

[Speaker 4] (2:54:37 - 2:54:37)
Of course not.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:37 - 2:54:38)
That doesn't

[Speaker 1] (2:54:38 - 2:54:39)
Okay, so it's

[Speaker 2] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:54:39 - 2:54:44)
not plausible that we could not fund...

[Speaker 1] (2:54:44 - 2:54:48)
This because our kids need lights and other things that are

[Speaker 2] (2:54:49 - 2:54:50)
Oh, that's Glenn Pastrick,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:50 - 2:54:50)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:54:50 - 2:54:51)
I think.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:51 - 2:54:51)
hear him.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:51 - 2:54:52)
No, we don't. We're talking.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:52 - 2:54:58)
But it's not going to be, I mean, it's

[Speaker 4] (2:54:58 - 2:54:59)
It's ludicrous.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:59 - 2:55:00)
asinine

[Speaker 4] (2:55:00 - 2:55:00)
It's

[Speaker 1] (2:55:00 - 2:55:00)
that

[Speaker 4] (2:55:00 - 2:55:00)
absolutely

[Speaker 1] (2:55:00 - 2:55:04)
we would even ludicrous. think we could not fund it. I understand what you're saying. You feel like

[Speaker 1] (2:55:06 - 2:55:09)
We were sent down a path. You don't feel like that's the path you're on right now?

[Speaker 2] (2:55:09 - 2:55:10)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:10 - 2:55:12)
Regardless of how we got here,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:12 - 2:55:15)
today we're here and the kids need lights.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:15 - 2:55:16)
Mm-hmm

[Speaker 1] (2:55:16 - 2:55:18)
So we can't,

[Speaker 2] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
make sure,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:18 - 2:55:19)
don't see,

[Speaker 2] (2:55:19 - 2:55:19)
I just I want to just make sure

[Speaker 1] (2:55:19 - 2:55:20)
don't understand

[Speaker 2] (2:55:20 - 2:55:20)
that we're very how clear.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:20 - 2:55:21)
you see.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:21 - 2:55:22)
I understand.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:22 - 2:55:26)
You can make a motion to accept this article.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:27 - 2:55:27)
That's fine.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:27 - 2:55:29)
But I just want to make sure we're really clear.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:29 - 2:55:31)
That's not where we landed last year.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:31 - 2:55:33)
That is not even close to where we landed last year.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:34 - 2:55:38)
And we put $200,000 up specifically so it was used for offset.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:40 - 2:55:40)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (2:55:40 - 2:55:42)
Well, that's what what I don't believe that.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:42 - 2:55:43)
you don't?

[Speaker 4] (2:55:43 - 2:55:46)
I don't believe it. No, that's my personal opinion. I don't believe it.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:46 - 2:55:46)
Well

[Speaker 4] (2:55:47 - 2:55:54)
I am choosing to believe what what I have been told over the past numerous weeks with no one ever bringing it up as a question.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:56 - 2:55:57)
And now in the

[Speaker 2] (2:55:57 - 2:55:57)
it

[Speaker 4] (2:55:57 - 2:55:57)
chair

[Speaker 2] (2:55:57 - 2:55:57)
was.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:57 - 2:56:00)
of the school committee is sitting here and I think we should hear from him.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:00 - 2:56:02)
I don't think we need to hear from just

[Speaker 4] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02)
I think

[Speaker 2] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02)
because

[Speaker 4] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02)
we absolutely

[Speaker 2] (2:56:02 - 2:56:03)
I think that

[Speaker 4] (2:56:03 - 2:56:04)
do, because he was also

[Speaker 2] (2:56:04 - 2:56:04)
that

[Speaker 4] (2:56:04 - 2:56:05)
part of this agreement.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:05 - 2:56:10)
it's if if you want to just make a motion to pass it and we can move

[Speaker 1] (2:56:10 - 2:56:15)
Well, on the other option is that UMN well, I get that it

[Speaker 3] (2:56:15 - 2:56:15)
You can't.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:15 - 2:56:16)
can't because I was going to say Where it could

[Speaker 4] (2:56:16 - 2:56:16)
is it coming

[Speaker 1] (2:56:16 - 2:56:17)
go in

[Speaker 4] (2:56:17 - 2:56:17)
from

[Speaker 1] (2:56:17 - 2:56:17)
these

[Speaker 4] (2:56:17 - 2:56:17)
the skies?

[Speaker 1] (2:56:17 - 2:56:29)
it's well no, but I was going to say the school committee budget would have a line item of zero for utility and instead we would increase the budget by $200,000 and not put it in a reserve fund.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:29 - 2:56:31)
It's got we've got to fund it.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:31 - 2:56:31)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:31 - 2:56:31)
We don't have

[Speaker 2] (2:56:31 - 2:56:31)
we a do.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:31 - 2:56:32)
choice but to fund it.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:32 - 2:56:33)
Of course

[Speaker 1] (2:56:33 - 2:56:33)
What

[Speaker 2] (2:56:33 - 2:56:33)
we do.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:33 - 2:56:34)
is the other choice?

[Speaker 3] (2:56:37 - 2:56:38)
All right, motion to approve,

[Speaker 3] (2:56:38 - 2:56:41)
uh motion to recommend favorable action on article five.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:42 - 2:56:42)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:42 - 2:56:43)
Yes second.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:44 - 2:56:44)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (2:56:45 - 2:56:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:45 - 2:56:46)
Aye. I'm a no.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:47 - 2:56:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:48 - 2:56:50)
Article six.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:51 - 2:56:54)
Transfer free cash for special education fund.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:56 - 2:56:57)
This is outlined very clear.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:57 - 2:56:59)
Motion to recommend favorable action

[Speaker 1] (2:56:59 - 2:56:59)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:59 - 2:56:59)
on Article 6.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:59 - 2:57:00)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (2:57:00 - 2:57:00)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:00 - 2:57:01)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:01 - 2:57:01)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:01 - 2:57:01)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:04 - 2:57:06)
Approve and transfer of free cash for transition audit.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:07 - 2:57:08)
Gino, do you have that?

[Speaker 5] (2:57:08 - 2:57:09)
I'm going to look right now.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:14 - 2:57:16)
We skip over this from I'm in trouble

[Speaker 1] (2:57:16 - 2:57:17)
Come back to

[Speaker 2] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
Want

[Speaker 1] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:17 - 2:57:18)
to come back to that?

[Speaker 5] (2:57:18 - 2:57:18)
Yep

[Speaker 2] (2:57:20 - 2:57:23)
Authorization increase for retirees' cost of living,

[Speaker 2] (2:57:23 - 2:57:23)
COLA.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:25 - 2:57:26)
Do you wanna put that off?

[Speaker 1] (2:57:28 - 2:57:38)
I mean, I would like to understand some additional information between the 16 and the 18. I don't know if it's gonna help me come to a better decision next week, but I just think it's I would like to see the data. So.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:39 - 2:57:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:41 - 2:57:42)
Skip. That's all.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:44 - 2:57:47)
Increase all exemptions by one hundred percent.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:49 - 2:57:50)
Do we have a motion?

[Speaker 4] (2:57:53 - 2:57:53)
Motion.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:54 - 2:57:54)
Second. Second.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:54 - 2:57:55)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (2:57:57 - 2:57:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:57 - 2:57:59)
Aye. That HERO Act.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:00 - 2:58:01)
This is part of

[Speaker 2] (2:58:01 - 2:58:01)
This

[Speaker 4] (2:58:01 - 2:58:01)
existing.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:01 - 2:58:02)
is part of the exemptions.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03)
Motion to accept.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:04 - 2:58:04)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:04 - 2:58:04)
Motion.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:04 - 2:58:05)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:05 - 2:58:06)
Aye. Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:06 - 2:58:06)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:06 - 2:58:07)
Tax referral.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:08 - 2:58:11)
We've gone over this one. Motion to accept.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:11 - 2:58:11)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:12 - 2:58:12)
All in favor?

[Speaker 4] (2:58:12 - 2:58:13)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:13 - 2:58:13)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:14 - 2:58:17)
Personal property minimum assessment.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:17 - 2:58:18)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:19 - 2:58:22)
Oh, motion. Sorry can I have a motion to accept that?

[Speaker 5] (2:58:23 - 2:58:24)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:25 - 2:58:25)
Second?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:28 - 2:58:29)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:29 - 2:58:30)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:31 - 2:58:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:31 - 2:58:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:32 - 2:58:33)
Home rule petition?

[Speaker 4] (2:58:33 - 2:58:34)
But is the chair, are you not voting?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:36 - 2:58:36)
I'm an aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:37 - 2:58:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:38 - 2:58:40)
You're an aye for 12 and 11 and

[Speaker 3] (2:58:40 - 2:58:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:40 - 2:58:41)
10? Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:41 - 2:58:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:43 - 2:58:47)
Um home rule petition, real property exemption for disabled person.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:48 - 2:58:48)
Motion.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:48 - 2:58:49)
Motion. Second.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:49 - 2:58:50)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:50 - 2:58:51)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (2:58:52 - 2:58:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:52 - 2:58:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:52 - 2:58:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
We will be

[Speaker 3] (2:58:55 - 2:58:56)
Number sixteen.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
sixteen,

[Speaker 5] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:56 - 2:58:59)
we'll pay sixteen

[Speaker 1] (2:59:00 - 2:59:06)
Sixteen capital pro uh sixteen to amend the authorization.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:07 - 2:59:08)
Any more motion for that?

[Speaker 5] (2:59:10 - 2:59:11)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:11 - 2:59:12)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:12 - 2:59:13)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (2:59:13 - 2:59:13)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:13 - 2:59:13)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:13 - 2:59:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:16 - 2:59:18)
Number seventeen capital project.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:22 - 2:59:22)
Okay, we motion.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:25 - 2:59:30)
Which one are we, are we voting on the administrators, the C_I_C_s, or fingerprints?

[Speaker 6] (2:59:30 - 2:59:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:30 - 2:59:34)
Which which one? Oh, I thought they were adjusted in right here.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:39 - 2:59:50)
Um well we have a motion on the on mo a motion on the finance committee recommended. I think Patrick made one adjustment on there. Amy, are you still there?

[Speaker 7] (2:59:56 - 2:59:57)
Amy?

[Speaker 3] (2:59:57 - 2:59:58)
So, Evelyn,

[Speaker 7] (2:59:58 - 2:59:59)
I'm here,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
I can't

[Speaker 7] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
can you hear

[Speaker 3] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
hear

[Speaker 7] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
me?

[Speaker 3] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
me?

[Speaker 3] (3:00:00 - 3:00:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:00 - 3:00:01)
Yeah, there's one adjustment.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:01 - 3:00:03)
There is. The window,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:03 - 3:00:05)
middle school window replacement has

[Speaker 7] (3:00:05 - 3:00:05)
Yes ma

[Speaker 3] (3:00:05 - 3:00:05)
when

[Speaker 7] (3:00:05 - 3:00:05)
'am.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:05 - 3:00:11)
the administrator recommended zero, CIC and FinCom recommended 190,000.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:11 - 3:00:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:11 - 3:00:16)
Also on the library controls and electrical,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:16 - 3:00:20)
the administrator recommended 100,000, CIC and FinCom recommended zero.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:24 - 3:00:26)
Oh, the ESPA school network upgrade?

[Speaker 1] (3:00:28 - 3:00:30)
Line item number forty seven.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:30 - 3:00:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (3:00:31 - 3:00:39)
Oh yes, so Gino and C_I_C_ recommended a hundred forty thousand, but FinCom doubled that to two hundred and eighty thousand.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:39 - 3:00:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:40 - 3:00:41)
Is that just in case we don't get the grant?

[Speaker 1] (3:00:41 - 3:00:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:00:42 - 3:00:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:42 - 3:00:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:42 - 3:00:51)
Oh, well actually it's a little bit more than that. They're trying to accelerate a little bit more because they're concerned that the federal government's gonna shut down all grants.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:51 - 3:00:54)
So by increasing a little bit, I think she's going to apply for a little bit more.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:54 - 3:00:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:55 - 3:01:00)
Um and then, Gino, just on seventy two with the sewer main rehab.

[Speaker 9] (3:01:00 - 3:01:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:00 - 3:01:04)
So your recommendation was two hundred fifty thousand dollars less than C_I_C_ and and FinCom.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:04 - 3:01:05)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:05 - 3:01:12)
Is is that just based upon where your, you know, where where the bids have been shaking out for the first for the first several phases?

[Speaker 9] (3:01:12 - 3:01:21)
As the S_R_F_ loan didn't support engineering or testing. So that's why we had that we had to trim it fifty thousand to get the three point.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:21 - 3:01:22)
Got it. Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:22 - 3:01:23)
You support the three point five?

[Speaker 9] (3:01:23 - 3:01:24)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:24 - 3:01:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:24 - 3:01:26)
Okay. Okay. Perfect. It's all one.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:26 - 3:01:32)
So then can we have a motion for the uh project totals of one zero zero seven six two nine two?

[Speaker 9] (3:01:33 - 3:01:33)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:33 - 3:01:35)
That is the finance committee's recommendation.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:38 - 3:01:39)
Uh I'll second.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:40 - 3:01:40)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (3:01:40 - 3:01:41)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:41 - 3:01:48)
But uh can we uh the middle school window replacement, I thought the discussion was that we were maybe going to go to um

[Speaker 8] (3:01:52 - 3:01:54)
Whatever the acronym is for

[Speaker 3] (3:01:54 - 3:01:54)
But does MSBA

[Speaker 8] (3:01:54 - 3:01:55)
this building

[Speaker 3] (3:01:55 - 3:01:55)
have MSBA?

[Speaker 8] (3:01:55 - 3:01:55)
MSBA

[Speaker 3] (3:01:55 - 3:01:56)
MSBA.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:56 - 3:02:07)
because uh well we the secon the recommendation we had in our conversation was that you know the likelihood of that middle school project occurring in the next

[Speaker 3] (3:02:07 - 3:02:07)
ten In

[Speaker 8] (3:02:07 - 3:02:16)
years is being realistic, it's nil. So we should apply for those funds and not borrow them.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:18 - 3:02:18)
This

[Speaker 8] (3:02:19 - 3:02:25)
'Cause the reason we were borrowing and not applying for funds was because if we did the bigger project within ten years that we would get less

[Speaker 8] (3:02:26 - 3:02:29)
funding or they may not fund the big project because of the windows.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:30 - 3:02:37)
We did we did just talk about, you know, we're gonna have what four million dollars come rolling off um from from the you know from the retirement

[Speaker 8] (3:02:38 - 3:02:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:38 - 3:02:42)
in in fiscal year thirty two, twenty thirty one.

[Speaker 8] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:43 - 3:02:48)
Yeah, so I mean that does give us some room at that point which is just six short years away.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:49 - 3:02:49)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:50 - 3:02:50)
Six shorter

[Speaker 3] (3:02:50 - 3:02:51)
Rolling

[Speaker 4] (3:02:51 - 3:02:51)
days.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:51 - 3:02:51)
off from what?

[Speaker 8] (3:02:51 - 3:02:54)
Okay, just I just wanted to bring that up because it just

[Speaker 3] (3:02:54 - 3:02:54)
The roll

[Speaker 8] (3:02:54 - 3:02:54)
seems

[Speaker 3] (3:02:54 - 3:02:54)
off

[Speaker 8] (3:02:54 - 3:02:54)
gnarly

[Speaker 3] (3:02:54 - 3:02:56)
is there's a couple multiple that

[Speaker 8] (3:02:56 - 3:02:56)
and

[Speaker 3] (3:02:56 - 3:02:57)
190

[Speaker 8] (3:02:57 - 3:02:57)
I guess design.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:57 - 3:03:01)
that 190 is so that they could get the design ready right Yeah. now.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:01 - 3:03:02)
Okay, and so it's a it's a ready project.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:02 - 3:03:03)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:04 - 3:03:06)
Wait, it's a ready project or we have

[Speaker 3] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06)
They

[Speaker 8] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06)
to design

[Speaker 3] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06)
make

[Speaker 8] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06)
it

[Speaker 3] (3:03:06 - 3:03:07)
it a ready project.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:07 - 3:03:08)
to make it

[Speaker 4] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
Make

[Speaker 8] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
a ready.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
it a

[Speaker 8] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
ready Okay,

[Speaker 4] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
project.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:08 - 3:03:09)
got it. Got it.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:09 - 3:03:09)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:09 - 3:03:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:10 - 3:03:10)
Wonderful.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:12 - 3:03:14)
So I motioned and seconded. Do we vote?

[Speaker 3] (3:03:15 - 3:03:16)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (3:03:16 - 3:03:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:16 - 3:03:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:16 - 3:03:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:17 - 3:03:20)
Um, okay, what number are we at now?

[Speaker 4] (3:03:20 - 3:03:21)
20 we have definitely closed.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:21 - 3:03:22)
You have to go to 20.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:22 - 3:03:24)
Okay, so now we go to 20.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:24 - 3:03:26)
Earth removal, we already did that.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:26 - 3:03:27)
23.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:27 - 3:03:27)
24.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:28 - 3:03:29)
We're at 23.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:29 - 3:03:31)
23 prohibited discharge.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:34 - 3:03:35)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:35 - 3:03:39)
Okay, so 23 and 24,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:39 - 3:03:40)
23.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:45 - 3:03:48)
I was good with this until Eric showed up.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:50 - 3:03:51)
Do you wanna punt this?

[Speaker 8] (3:03:53 - 3:03:54)
Punt it till when?

[Speaker 1] (3:03:55 - 3:03:56)
Next week.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:56 - 3:03:56)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:00 - 3:04:02)
I dunno, unless everyone's comfortable.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:05 - 3:04:07)
Does the town administrator have a recommendation?

[Speaker 9] (3:04:09 - 3:04:14)
Yeah, I support him as is, you know. We had spent a lot of time and we had a public hearing on these and

[Speaker 3] (3:04:14 - 3:04:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:16 - 3:04:18)
So do we have a motion?

[Speaker 8] (3:04:18 - 3:04:20)
Would you mind if I ask a question?

[Speaker 3] (3:04:20 - 3:04:22)
Wait a minute. What about the Eric Snyder email?

[Speaker 8] (3:04:22 - 3:04:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:04:23 - 3:04:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:23 - 3:04:26)
Alright, are we just gonna ignore that or or are we gonna talk about

[Speaker 8] (3:04:26 - 3:04:29)
I that? was going to say, is there feedback from that based on the commentary

[Speaker 3] (3:04:29 - 3:04:29)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (3:04:29 - 3:04:29)
that

[Speaker 3] (3:04:29 - 3:04:31)
that directly relates to this?

[Speaker 8] (3:04:31 - 3:04:34)
you don't have a copy of it. So maybe we hold off till Monday,

[Speaker 8] (3:04:34 - 3:04:41)
make sure Liz gets Yeah. a copy of the email and then maybe there is some feedback or not. And if at least we.

[Speaker 8] (3:04:44 - 3:04:47)
Legal counsel's response to to his email or?

[Speaker 3] (3:04:47 - 3:04:49)
to the review level 2 lab.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:51 - 3:04:52)
Oh, so wait,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:52 - 3:04:53)
legal counsel hasn't?

[Speaker 3] (3:04:54 - 3:04:55)
This has gone out to legal.

[Speaker 9] (3:04:55 - 3:04:55)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:04:55 - 3:04:55)
Amy

[Speaker 9] (3:04:55 - 3:04:56)
going did out.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:56 - 3:04:57)
this go out to legal counsel?

[Speaker 9] (3:04:57 - 3:04:58)
No, I sent it out to legal counsel.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:58 - 3:05:00)
But did you get a response back?

[Speaker 8] (3:05:00 - 3:05:01)
There's been a response.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:01 - 3:05:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:03 - 3:05:05)
If I can do a quick search.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:05 - 3:05:06)
Amy can you speak to that?

[Speaker 11] (3:05:06 - 3:05:09)
Will legal counsel review the warrant in its entirety?

[Speaker 8] (3:05:10 - 3:05:13)
So what was the response back from legal counsel about Article 24 and Article 25?

[Speaker 11] (3:05:14 - 3:05:17)
They did not have any specific feedback in

[Speaker 3] (3:05:17 - 3:05:17)
20?

[Speaker 11] (3:05:17 - 3:05:19)
any of my correspondence with them on those two articles.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:19 - 3:05:21)
23 and 24, sorry. Okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:05:22 - 3:05:23)
I knew which ones you meant.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:29 - 3:05:33)
So on the question, do you know what I'm talking about with Eric's email?

[Speaker 9] (3:05:33 - 3:05:34)
I haven't seen Eric's

[Speaker 1] (3:05:34 - 3:05:36)
email. Is it like as far as the condominiums?

[Speaker 3] (3:05:36 - 3:05:39)
He sent it to you, right? You were on that all

[Speaker 9] (3:05:39 - 3:05:41)
You may have. I am so proud of how many emails.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:41 - 3:05:45)
So basically he's questioning that we've been paying for repair of private.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:45 - 3:05:45)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:45 - 3:05:48)
That has nothing to do with either one of his articles.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:48 - 3:05:49)
That's just...

[Speaker 9] (3:05:49 - 3:06:05)
He's concerned that we've spent $4 million or $3 million to replace sewer laterals, and I stand by I made that decision several years ago, and we're town administrators at the time, and didn't base that lightly.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:05 - 3:06:08)
What we did is, when I met with the EPA,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:08 - 3:06:10)
when we were under the consent decree in 2015,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:10 - 3:06:15)
to correct our issues with bacteria going out onto King's Beach.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:16 - 3:06:25)
They recommended they meet with the Norwood DPW Director. They had a similar issue there to see how they were addressing their problem because they had a great deal of success.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:25 - 3:06:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:25 - 3:06:28)
Went out to Norwood, spoke with the DPW Director,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:28 - 3:06:29)
Mark Ryan,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:29 - 3:06:32)
and he told us how he started sailing the sewer mains,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:32 - 3:06:34)
similar to what we're doing now,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:34 - 3:06:37)
to stop the sewer from exfiltrate into the drains.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:37 - 3:06:38)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:38 - 3:06:39)
And they did their first project.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:40 - 3:06:43)
Spent millions of dollars just doing the mains and not the laterals.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:43 - 3:06:44)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:44 - 3:06:46)
When they started testing, they were still getting

[Speaker 3] (3:06:46 - 3:06:47)
High readings.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:47 - 3:06:51)
high readings. So they went back into the neighborhoods and did the laterals.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:51 - 3:06:53)
I said that caused a lot of disruption,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:53 - 3:06:55)
number one, because you went into a neighborhood once,

[Speaker 9] (3:06:55 - 3:06:59)
tore it up, and then you went back in and did it a second time.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:59 - 3:06:59)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:59 - 3:07:02)
So the time I met with Tom Younger.

[Speaker 9] (3:07:02 - 3:07:06)
clientele there and I said this is the decision I'm going to make and that's what I did.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:06 - 3:07:08)
But are we still doing that now?

[Speaker 9] (3:07:08 - 3:07:09)
We still are.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:09 - 3:07:11)
So we're still repairing private laterals?

[Speaker 9] (3:07:11 - 3:07:16)
Yep, repairing laterals, yep, private laterals that just cross over the drain,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:16 - 3:07:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:07:17 - 3:07:17)
so.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:17 - 3:07:25)
But we're prepared to have an article requiring people to pay at the sale of transfer,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:25 - 3:07:25)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:07:25 - 3:07:26)
The transfer of property.

[Speaker 9] (3:07:27 - 3:07:35)
Correct. And not only we want them to have video and camera to make sure the sewer lateral is in good condition prior to the sale.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:35 - 3:07:35)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:35 - 3:07:37)
But he did raise a good point today

[Speaker 9] (3:07:37 - 3:07:37)
It's a

[Speaker 1] (3:07:37 - 3:07:37)
when

[Speaker 9] (3:07:37 - 3:07:37)
very

[Speaker 1] (3:07:37 - 3:07:43)
he good came and said, you know, there are tons of transfers of property that are happening within families,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:43 - 3:07:43)
right,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:44 - 3:07:46)
that we would never see. It would never be recorded,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:46 - 3:07:48)
right? We would not require those people.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:48 - 3:07:50)
So he had a problem with the wording of this.

[Speaker 8] (3:07:51 - 3:07:52)
I think also

[Speaker 8] (3:07:56 - 3:08:03)
Both he says both articles lack an enforcement mechanism clarity on the approval of fines That's more so the part that I

[Speaker 9] (3:08:03 - 3:08:03)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (3:08:03 - 3:08:03)
thought might

[Speaker 9] (3:08:03 - 3:08:03)
I'm not,

[Speaker 8] (3:08:03 - 3:08:03)
be

[Speaker 12] (3:08:03 - 3:08:03)
We

[Speaker 8] (3:08:03 - 3:08:04)
I not

[Speaker 9] (3:08:04 - 3:08:04)
don't.

[Speaker 12] (3:08:04 - 3:08:09)
okay we left that we didn't want that in the bylaw we wanted it to be in so

[Speaker 9] (3:08:09 - 3:08:11)
My enforcement similar to what I do with

[Speaker 12] (3:08:11 - 3:08:11)
that

[Speaker 8] (3:08:11 - 3:08:12)
they can be adjusted.

[Speaker 9] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
either the

[Speaker 8] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
disorder.

[Speaker 8] (3:08:12 - 3:08:13)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (3:08:13 - 3:08:13)
so

[Speaker 8] (3:08:14 - 3:08:22)
the It's purposefully not in the bylaw such that it allows the town administrator or the DPW director discretion

[Speaker 8] (3:08:22 - 3:08:29)
to facilitate the enforcement of the bylaw so that we're not stuck in a situation where when we want to

[Speaker 2] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:32 - 3:08:33)
we have to come back to town meeting.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:33 - 3:08:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:34 - 3:08:35)
Instead we have discretion.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:35 - 3:08:38)
So so what it so so how does it work? How does it work now, Gino?

[Speaker 4] (3:08:39 - 3:08:40)
It's right now

[Speaker 3] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
it's

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
We don't

[Speaker 4] (3:08:40 - 3:08:41)
it's nothing.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:41 - 3:08:42)
t we don't do it right now.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:42 - 3:08:43)
You buy the house.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:45 - 3:08:47)
That's who it fails the next day, the homeowner

[Speaker 1] (3:08:47 - 3:08:49)
That's the new homeowner's responsibility

[Speaker 4] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:49 - 3:08:50)
to f

[Speaker 4] (3:08:50 - 3:08:53)
From the main to the house, the foundation.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:53 - 3:08:58)
But this way we know that the laterals are working and they're not.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:59 - 3:08:59)
Right. And it's helping.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:59 - 3:09:01)
Well, we only know on transfer of sale.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:01 - 3:09:01)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:01 - 3:09:08)
So people could never sell their house in 20 years and they could have a lateral that's in disrepair and we'll never know,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
Sure,

[Speaker 6] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:09:08 - 3:09:09)
but But we

[Speaker 6] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
could

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
will

[Speaker 6] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
still

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
know,

[Speaker 6] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
be contributing.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:10)
right,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:10 - 3:09:13)
but we will know 100 plus more times.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:13 - 3:09:15)
annually than we know today.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:15 - 3:09:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:16 - 3:09:17)
So that's the important part.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:17 - 3:09:18)
It's a first step.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:18 - 3:09:18)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (3:09:18 - 3:09:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19)
right.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:19 - 3:09:20)
I think

[Speaker 4] (3:09:20 - 3:09:20)
If it's the lateral's

[Speaker 1] (3:09:20 - 3:09:21)
it won't solve all

[Speaker 4] (3:09:21 - 3:09:21)
in a

[Speaker 1] (3:09:21 - 3:09:23)
state the problems, but it will get us closer

[Speaker 6] (3:09:23 - 3:09:23)
It's not

[Speaker 1] (3:09:23 - 3:09:23)
to

[Speaker 6] (3:09:23 - 3:09:23)
perfect

[Speaker 1] (3:09:23 - 3:09:23)
solving some

[Speaker 6] (3:09:23 - 3:09:24)
wording,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:24 - 3:09:24)
of but the

[Speaker 6] (3:09:24 - 3:09:24)
it's

[Speaker 1] (3:09:24 - 3:09:24)
problems.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:24 - 3:09:24)
better than that.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:25 - 3:09:28)
And if your lateral's in a state of total disrepair, you're gonna know, because

[Speaker 6] (3:09:28 - 3:09:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:28 - 3:09:28)
it's not

[Speaker 5] (3:09:28 - 3:09:28)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:28 - 3:09:32)
where we're just trying to keep the old clay pipes down,

[Speaker 4] (3:09:32 - 3:09:34)
exfiltrate down into the groundwater.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:34 - 3:09:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:37 - 3:09:38)
Okay. So

[Speaker 5] (3:09:41 - 3:09:54)
So I think the options here are we indefinitely postpone this and bring it back up in the fall or we go ahead and pass it and uh make adjustments to it later on or

[Speaker 5] (3:09:55 - 3:09:55)
um

[Speaker 5] (3:09:59 - 3:10:00)
wait and deal with this next week.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:01 - 3:10:14)
I think we, I think we vote to pass, to recommend it right now, and if they wanna amend it on town meeting floor, if Eric wants if he's still is not clear or he has something and he wants to propose an amendment on the floor, then he can. But

[Speaker 5] (3:10:14 - 3:10:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:14 - 3:10:17)
I think it's it's a step in the right direction.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:17 - 3:10:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:18 - 3:10:18)
I'd support that.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:19 - 3:10:21)
I s I second that motion.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22)
Okay, so

[Speaker 1] (3:10:22 - 3:10:23)
Motion to approve

[Speaker 5] (3:10:23 - 3:10:24)
motion to approve

[Speaker 1] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24)
a

[Speaker 5] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24)
twenty

[Speaker 1] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24)
RFP

[Speaker 4] (3:10:24 - 3:10:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25)
three.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:25 - 3:10:26)
capable action on twenty three.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:26 - 3:10:27)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:27 - 3:10:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:27 - 3:10:28)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (3:10:28 - 3:10:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:29 - 3:10:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:29 - 3:10:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:29 - 3:10:31)
So it's twenty four.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:32 - 3:10:33)
Motion to take favorable action.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:35 - 3:10:36)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:36 - 3:10:37)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:37 - 3:10:37)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:37 - 3:10:38)
Aye. Okay, so

[Speaker 1] (3:10:38 - 3:10:41)
Can I just ask you a quick question to Liz?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:43 - 3:10:44)
His point,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:44 - 3:10:45)
Eric's point in the email,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:45 - 3:10:47)
which I apologize because you're just seeing it right now,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:48 - 3:10:48)
about...

[Speaker 1] (3:10:51 - 3:10:53)
Instead of doing it at the point of sale,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:53 - 3:11:02)
having like a five or ten year time block and everybody has to do it within that time frame. Do you know of any other municipal municipalities that have done it that way?

[Speaker 7] (3:11:03 - 3:11:12)
I do, um I think Restituent had to do it s in a similar way. They had to look at all of their sewer laterals as part of a consent decree. But we um

[Speaker 7] (3:11:12 - 3:11:17)
Especially because we have this issue with some of the laterals have been repaired and are being repaired.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:17 - 3:11:25)
We wanted to start this way and start populating that notion because that's not actually widely known.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:25 - 3:11:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:26 - 3:11:31)
So we think it's important to get that information out and really have the discussion about, you know, the fairness.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:31 - 3:11:32)
It came up at the

[Speaker 5] (3:11:32 - 3:11:32)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:32 - 3:11:33)
public hearing.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:33 - 3:11:33)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:33 - 3:11:33)
Is it fair?

[Speaker 7] (3:11:34 - 3:11:36)
I don't think...

[Speaker 7] (3:11:37 - 3:11:41)
You know, you can take that in one of two directions, right? You can either say, okay,

[Speaker 7] (3:11:41 - 3:11:49)
well we paid for all of these, but we're not paying for those, or we paid for these so now we should pay for those, and I don't think anyone has the appetite for that right now.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:49 - 3:11:50)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:50 - 3:11:50)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:51 - 3:11:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:51 - 3:11:52)
So that's the first step.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:53 - 3:11:54)
Very good.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:54 - 3:11:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:56 - 3:12:03)
Okay, so the only thing that we have left is to go back to the budget and we've got a plan on how to deal with that.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:04 - 3:12:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:04 - 3:12:05)
And the cola.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:06 - 3:12:06)
and

[Speaker 5] (3:12:06 - 3:12:07)
And in the

[Speaker 4] (3:12:07 - 3:12:07)
uh

[Speaker 5] (3:12:07 - 3:12:07)
cola.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:07 - 3:12:12)
and also what I was going to clap the transitional audit

[Speaker 1] (3:12:12 - 3:12:13)
the transitional audit.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:13 - 3:12:14)
we did not get a number

[Speaker 4] (3:12:14 - 3:12:19)
So Patrick reached out to seven companies, four of them, one two exactly.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:19 - 3:12:20)
Did we take action on it?

[Speaker 6] (3:12:21 - 3:12:21)
No, we we didn't

[Speaker 5] (3:12:21 - 3:12:22)
We didn't take

[Speaker 4] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
Because

[Speaker 5] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
action

[Speaker 6] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
any

[Speaker 4] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
I didn't

[Speaker 5] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
on

[Speaker 4] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
give a

[Speaker 5] (3:12:22 - 3:12:23)
that we're waiting on

[Speaker 4] (3:12:23 - 3:12:23)
I don't

[Speaker 5] (3:12:23 - 3:12:23)
her.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:23 - 3:12:23)
know the number.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:23 - 3:12:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:12:23 - 3:12:23)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:23 - 3:12:25)
So the number won't be there till Monday either.

[Speaker 5] (3:12:25 - 3:12:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:26 - 3:12:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:26 - 3:12:31)
Patrick contacted seven firms, four of them got back to him and said they would need a little bit more time to give him a number.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:31 - 3:12:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:31 - 3:12:34)
So we still don't have an estimate on how much this is going to cost.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:34 - 3:12:40)
Well but we will, we sh we thought we were going to have it by tonight, we will have it by Monday because four of these firms

[Speaker 4] (3:12:40 - 3:12:44)
We gave him a scope of work. He's gonna come back with a number for us. So you're gonna live in estimate.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:45 - 3:12:51)
So to be clear, on Monday we have to speak to Article four, we have to speak to Article seven, and we have to speak to Article eight.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:52 - 3:12:53)
Is that is that correct?

[Speaker 5] (3:12:53 - 3:12:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (3:12:55 - 3:12:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:57 - 3:12:57)
Wonderful.

[Speaker 5] (3:12:58 - 3:13:04)
The town you wanna boot the town administrator's report? Is that alright with everybody?

[Speaker 4] (3:13:05 - 3:13:05)
I, yep.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:06 - 3:13:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:13:07 - 3:13:11)
Okay, so we said the paragraph you contacted seven farms to go back to them and they can't get my price yet.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:12 - 3:13:14)
Okay, so now we have the consent agenda.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:17 - 3:13:18)
Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:19 - 3:13:19)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:20 - 3:13:27)
I just want to pull out the minutes for the 16th and the 21st.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:29 - 3:13:31)
I'm good with 326 and 25.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:36 - 3:13:38)
Motion to approve the consent agenda as amended.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:38 - 3:13:39)
All in favor?

[Speaker 5] (3:13:40 - 3:13:41)
Hold on a second.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:41 - 3:13:42)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:42 - 3:13:42)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:44 - 3:13:45)
Select board time?

[Speaker 5] (3:13:47 - 3:13:48)
Danielle.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:49 - 3:13:51)
I don't, let's see. Um I

[Speaker 6] (3:13:57 - 3:14:04)
think it's, I think at the next meeting I would, I requested it for this meeting but I'm going to request it again for the next that we discuss chair and vice chair.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:05 - 3:14:09)
I think that it's that time of year, and I think we need to

[Speaker 5] (3:14:09 - 3:14:10)
It's on the agenda for the next meeting.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:10 - 3:14:12)
Okay. Um

[Speaker 6] (3:14:13 - 3:14:28)
And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna belabor the point, but I am really annoyed at this lack of understanding about the utility um article. Uh I I just cannot

[Speaker 6] (3:14:29 - 3:14:42)
deal with with the level of disingenuous behavior that this board is exhibiting time and time again in relation to the school committee and the director of finance for the school department.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:43 - 3:14:54)
We've just had an election and it would have been my hope that we would now move forward in a positive collaborative manner and I feel like this is taking a massive step back.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:54 - 3:15:17)
And I think it's inappropriate and it's uncalled for. It is on us to ask questions and certainly, you know, have opinions and feedback. But to behave in this manner as if we are faulting the school department for something or they're behaving in a way that's inappropriate is just disingenuous. And I really, that really bothers me.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:18 - 3:15:42)
And I thought I felt it two weeks ago and I thought maybe I was mistaken but tonight again you know for us to claim that we you know that this isn't what we agreed to that this is you know not the way it's supposed to be I really think it is a bad is a bad look for this select board and I'm very uncomfortable with that and I'm directing that right at you Madam Chair and I am not happy because this is

[Speaker 6] (3:15:43 - 3:15:52)
This is, you know, we don't realize with the way that we present things and the way we say things, we're making other people look bad that don't deserve to look bad.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:52 - 3:15:55)
Cheryl Stella has been nothing but open, honest,

[Speaker 6] (3:15:55 - 3:15:56)
collaborative, and helpful.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:56 - 3:16:02)
And for us to say that we don't remember it that way or that's not the way it's supposed to be,

[Speaker 6] (3:16:02 - 3:16:06)
really it's playing games. And I just,

[Speaker 6] (3:16:06 - 3:16:10)
it is not a level of appropriate behavior to me and I'm really disgusted to see it continue.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:11 - 3:16:12)
David.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:13 - 3:16:14)
I don't have anything else.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:14 - 3:16:14)
Any?

[Speaker 1] (3:16:15 - 3:16:15)
Nothing.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:16 - 3:16:28)
So I do have issues when select board members are carrying the torch for school committee and trying to really focus on one section of town versus the other.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:28 - 3:16:43)
I also think that it's fine to bring up issues that are a fact, and these are issues of facts. I'm sure facts do upset people. I'm also not on anybody else's time schedule. So if I don't want to vote for something,

[Speaker 5] (3:16:42 - 3:17:09)
something and I'm pointing out why I'm not voting for something, that's the deal. There's nothing that I said here that was not factual, that was not factual and you know we did not support I stand by what I said, we did not support to make a line item of two hundred thousand in this budget. So this is not a slight against against uh Cheryl Stella who I completely respect but

[Speaker 5] (3:17:10 - 3:17:17)
Funding is very important and we have an entire town that we have to take care of, not just the school.

[Speaker 6] (3:17:17 - 3:17:20)
Are you directing that at me, saying that I'm carrying a torch for one department?

[Speaker 5] (3:17:21 - 3:17:21)
I'm saying

[Speaker 6] (3:17:21 - 3:17:21)
Because

[Speaker 5] (3:17:21 - 3:17:21)
an

[Speaker 6] (3:17:21 - 3:17:21)
I am

[Speaker 5] (3:17:21 - 3:17:21)
entire

[Speaker 6] (3:17:21 - 3:17:22)
the only member

[Speaker 5] (3:17:22 - 3:17:22)
board,

[Speaker 6] (3:17:22 - 3:17:23)
of this board

[Speaker 5] (3:17:23 - 3:17:23)
this

[Speaker 6] (3:17:23 - 3:17:23)
who

[Speaker 5] (3:17:23 - 3:17:23)
entire

[Speaker 6] (3:17:23 - 3:17:24)
sat through our

[Speaker 5] (3:17:24 - 3:17:24)
board.

[Speaker 6] (3:17:24 - 3:17:37)
budget and went through it and found six hundred thousand dollars worth of cuts while you sat here and did absolutely nothing to help. You with the Finance Committee experience that you have for years have sat here silent for the past month and done absolutely zero.

[Speaker 6] (3:17:37 - 3:17:44)
to fix a problem. All you've done is sit here and claim that you don't understand the problem, that you don't remember things that way,

[Speaker 5] (3:17:44 - 3:17:45)
There

[Speaker 6] (3:17:45 - 3:17:45)
but

[Speaker 5] (3:17:45 - 3:17:45)
are,

[Speaker 6] (3:17:45 - 3:17:49)
yet you haven't asked any of these people when we've had them in this room these actual questions.

[Speaker 5] (3:17:50 - 3:17:53)
I was very clear that there are line items in that budget, in the school committee budget,

[Speaker 5] (3:17:54 - 3:17:55)
that could have been decreased,

[Speaker 5] (3:17:55 - 3:17:57)
and that is just based on what,

[Speaker 5] (3:17:57 - 3:17:58)
say, the vice chair,

[Speaker 5] (3:17:58 - 3:18:00)
Amy O'Connor, came out and said. So,

[Speaker 6] (3:18:00 - 3:18:02)
That is not your purview.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:02 - 3:18:03)
that is not your authority

[Speaker 5] (3:18:03 - 3:18:04)
that's not

[Speaker 6] (3:18:04 - 3:18:04)
to

[Speaker 5] (3:18:04 - 3:18:04)
my purview.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:04 - 3:18:05)
decrease the school committee's budget.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:05 - 3:18:05)
budget.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:05 - 3:18:06)
That's my point.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:06 - 3:18:07)
That's not your wheelhouse.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:07 - 3:18:08)
That's my point.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:08 - 3:18:09)
And it's not your area of expertise.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:09 - 3:18:14)
That is my point, is that I am not here just to focus on the schools.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:14 - 3:18:15)
I am I here to am focus

[Speaker 6] (3:18:15 - 3:18:17)
here to focus on on the whole budget and that is what I did.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:17 - 3:18:17)
the whole town.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:17 - 3:18:18)
That

[Speaker 5] (3:18:18 - 3:18:18)
We

[Speaker 6] (3:18:18 - 3:18:18)
is

[Speaker 5] (3:18:18 - 3:18:18)
are going

[Speaker 6] (3:18:18 - 3:18:20)
exactly what I did while you sat here and did nothing.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:21 - 3:18:23)
Nothing to help this town.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:23 - 3:18:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:23 - 3:18:24)
Nothing with all your finance.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:27 - 3:18:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:28 - 3:18:30)
Never once. You didn't offer a suggestion,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:31 - 3:18:32)
an ounce of help,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:32 - 3:18:34)
no matter how many things other members of this board brought forward

[Speaker 2] (3:18:34 - 3:18:35)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:18:35 - 3:18:35)
for cuts.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:35 - 3:18:36)
happy to talk to you offline if

[Speaker 1] (3:18:36 - 3:18:36)
No,

[Speaker 2] (3:18:36 - 3:18:36)
you'd like.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:36 - 3:18:37)
not necessary.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:37 - 3:18:38)
You brought it here.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:38 - 3:18:42)
You just called me out for carrying the torch for the school committee.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:42 - 3:18:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:42 - 3:18:44)
I'll happily carry the torch for this whole town,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:44 - 3:18:44)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:44 - 3:18:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:45 - 3:18:46)
That's what you failed to see.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:46 - 3:18:48)
Right, that's what you failed to do.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:48 - 3:18:49)
Great, thank

[Speaker 1] (3:18:49 - 3:18:52)
And your leadership is chair, that's why I think we need to look for another chair,

[Speaker 2] (3:18:52 - 3:18:52)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:52 - 3:18:54)
because I don't think there is any leadership.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:54 - 3:18:56)
Mm-hmm. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:56 - 3:18:58)
We have a motion to adjourn?

[Speaker 3] (3:18:58 - 3:18:58)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:58 - 3:18:59)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:59 - 3:19:00)
All in favor?

[Speaker 4] (3:19:00 - 3:19:00)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:00 - 3:19:01)
Aye.