[Speaker 1] (3:35 - 3:36) She's running late. [Speaker 2] (3:36 - 3:37) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:37 - 3:38) I know. Alright. [Speaker 1] (3:40 - 3:51) Okay, um welcome to the May 14th 2025 select board meeting. If you could all stand and, oh this meeting is being recorded. [Speaker 1] (3:53 - 3:53) Pledge allegiance. [Speaker 2] (3:54 - 3:56) To the flag of the United States of America, [Speaker 2] (3:56 - 3:59) and to the Republic for which it stands, [Speaker 2] (3:59 - 4:01) one nation under God, indivisible, [Speaker 3] (4:01 - 4:01) with liberty and justice for all. [Speaker 4] (4:02 - 4:04) Visible, with liberty and justice for all. [Speaker 1] (4:06 - 4:09) And before we start with resident comment, [Speaker 1] (4:09 - 4:12) I just want to thank Joe Doulette, [Speaker 1] (4:12 - 4:13) Nathan Kent, [Speaker 1] (4:13 - 4:18) and Nate Beishain for managing the video tonight. [Speaker 1] (4:18 - 4:30) So we'll start off with public comment. Public comment is three minutes long if you could just state your name and your address and just understand that the select board doesn't comment on. [Speaker 1] (4:31 - 4:33) Public comment. So, is anyone here for public comment? [Speaker 1] (4:35 - 4:37) Mr. Ron? If you come up to the mic. [Speaker 5] (4:45 - 4:49) Thank you, Madame Chair. Thank you, members of the select board. [Speaker 5] (4:49 - 4:55) Thank you, Juno, for the important job that you're doing for the town of Swamscot. [Speaker 5] (4:56 - 5:06) I'll take the three minutes or divide it into a few words about myself, my mission, how it can be accomplished and what I'm asking for you, I'm not asking for any checks, it's cash only. [Speaker 6] (5:07 - 5:07) Name? [Speaker 5] (5:07 - 5:09) My name is Ori Ron, I moved to this [Speaker 1] (5:09 - 5:09) Mr. [Speaker 5] (5:09 - 5:10) country. [Speaker 1] (5:10 - 5:12) Ron, could you just give us your name and address? [Speaker 5] (5:12 - 5:15) Sure, Ori,R-O-R-I, Ron, R-O-N, [Speaker 5] (5:15 - 5:17) 441 Atlantic Avenue, [Speaker 5] (5:18 - 5:21) I'm a sworn court resident for 35 years. [Speaker 5] (5:22 - 5:46) I moved to this country from Israel thirty five years ago, thirty four years ago. Before I moved here, I am a veteran, I served in three wars, and the Yom Kippur war and the first Lebanon war and most recently in the ninety one first Gulf War, I was liaison between the American Patriot missiles dispatch to help Israel and the Israeli air force. I've seen humanity at its worst. [Speaker 5] (5:47 - 5:51) I came here with my family in seeking for a better life. [Speaker 5] (5:51 - 5:54) My kids went through the school system here A to Z. [Speaker 5] (5:54 - 6:02) At some point my daughter decides to go back to Israel and literally six weeks before the October 7 war, [Speaker 5] (6:02 - 6:11) a bunch of people realized that something is about to happen in the Middle East. I flew back to Israel August 25th. I put it on an airplane six weeks before the war broke. [Speaker 5] (6:12 - 6:21) I'm here today to ask you to help me, to walk with me, to enhance public safety at the Swampscott school system. [Speaker 5] (6:22 - 6:28) We have an unbelievable SAO school resource officer, Brian Wilson, [Speaker 5] (6:28 - 6:28) I met with him. [Speaker 5] (6:29 - 6:30) Over the past year and year and a half, [Speaker 5] (6:30 - 6:33) I reached out to the school superintendent, [Speaker 5] (6:33 - 6:34) to the chief of police, [Speaker 5] (6:35 - 6:36) to the school committee, [Speaker 5] (6:36 - 6:37) to the PTO, [Speaker 5] (6:37 - 6:38) to Mr. [Speaker 5] (6:39 - 6:47) Costa. And I would say that with very few exceptions all everyone welcomed the addition of in another SRO. [Speaker 5] (6:48 - 6:57) I know that there was no budget in town, there is a crisis, I I believe that I figured out way how we can make it happen without tapping into way a budget. [Speaker 5] (6:57 - 7:02) I did a little research myself looking at FBI files and calling [Speaker 5] (7:03 - 7:06) A whole bunch of people that are in this field of protection, [Speaker 5] (7:06 - 7:10) and they realize that there are certain deterrents that work to protect school. [Speaker 5] (7:10 - 7:14) Simple thing is having a police cruiser parked outside the school, [Speaker 5] (7:15 - 7:15) absolutely helps. [Speaker 5] (7:16 - 7:18) Nothing helps more than an SRO. [Speaker 5] (7:20 - 7:27) I analyzed the threats to the school system in a very long discussion that I had with Officer Brian Wilson here at the school. [Speaker 5] (7:27 - 7:29) He divided the world into two categories, [Speaker 5] (7:30 - 7:37) threats that are already inside the school, God forbids, and threats that are outside the school and can be deterred. I'm not going into threats that are inside the school. [Speaker 5] (7:37 - 7:42) I believe that the plan that the police department has developed are sufficient. [Speaker 5] (7:43 - 7:48) I'm referring to threats outside the school can be stopped before anything happens. [Speaker 5] (7:49 - 8:12) If we can pool our resources together, and we have a bunch of resources in this town, if we can walk together, I believe that I have identified certain paths moving forward together in another S_L_O_ and to an a which will enhance the public safety for all our kids. What I'm asking from you is to recognise the importance of public safety, I mean that's a no-brainer. [Speaker 5] (8:12 - 8:15) and appoint one person process. [Speaker 5] (8:15 - 8:20) They were looking for the select board to initiate the process. What I need from you specifically, [Speaker 5] (8:21 - 8:25) set up one meeting with a representative of the police department, [Speaker 5] (8:25 - 8:26) of the school department, [Speaker 5] (8:26 - 8:27) of the PTO, [Speaker 5] (8:27 - 8:29) myself and maybe another member, [Speaker 5] (8:30 - 8:32) where I can lay out a plan. [Speaker 5] (8:32 - 8:35) Then I can come back to you with a detailed plan, [Speaker 5] (8:35 - 8:37) what my plan entails. My plan entails. [Speaker 5] (8:38 - 8:43) Having everyone sacrifice a little bit, a little bit of resources from the police department, [Speaker 5] (8:43 - 8:52) a little bit of resources for myself and other resources that we can raise between the PTO and parents of the school department. [Speaker 5] (8:52 - 8:53) No-brainer. [Speaker 5] (8:54 - 8:57) I never want to say I'll take a no for an answer. [Speaker 5] (8:57 - 9:00) I mean, it's an opportunity because I'm willing to... [Speaker 5] (9:01 - 9:06) Fund some of it. If we work together we'll make it happen and everyone, it's a win it will be a win-win to everyone. [Speaker 1] (9:06 - 9:06) Thank you. [Speaker 5] (9:06 - 9:07) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (9:07 - 9:08) Thank you, Mr. Rowan. [Speaker 1] (9:10 - 9:13) Okay. Is there anyone else for Ms. O'Connor? [Speaker 7] (9:23 - 9:24) I am Amy O'Connor, [Speaker 7] (9:24 - 9:29) precinct six, and town meeting member and school committee member, [Speaker 7] (9:29 - 9:31) and I'm here on behalf of my school committee, [Speaker 7] (9:31 - 9:33) most of who are here. [Speaker 7] (9:34 - 9:40) My original intention of coming to speak tonight was to thank everybody for what's been a really collaborative process. [Speaker 7] (9:40 - 9:46) Months of meeting throughout the winter helped us to really understand that despite not having had a financial summit, [Speaker 7] (9:46 - 9:49) that we could work together to understand the pressures on all sides. [Speaker 7] (9:49 - 9:53) We heard loud and clear at town meeting last year that we needed to work well together, [Speaker 7] (9:53 - 9:59) so I came to acknowledge that and say thank you to all of you because I think it was a really positive. [Speaker 1] (10:03 - 10:05) Monday brought us some surprises. [Speaker 1] (10:06 - 10:21) It was with great surprise and disappointment that there was new financial information that has come to light on the municipal side that then caused FinCom to cut the school budget by $150,000, which is the cost of three paraprofessionals. [Speaker 1] (10:22 - 10:28) This information was never shared with the schools, nor did FinCom post that they would be discussing and voting on this cut. [Speaker 1] (10:29 - 10:36) And so we're curious about who directed the cut because it really flies in the face of the select board votes that have been taken this year. [Speaker 1] (10:37 - 10:40) I know that you're not the finance committee and I know that you can't answer for them, [Speaker 1] (10:40 - 10:44) but you know this is something that the three groups have been working on together. [Speaker 1] (10:45 - 10:52) This was not a collaboration that we've come to expect and we are disappointed that Town Hall didn't share this information with us. [Speaker 1] (10:52 - 10:56) There's been much discussion over the last year about not having a repeat. [Speaker 1] (10:56 - 10:57) peak of this year's town meeting. [Speaker 1] (10:57 - 11:03) And I think it's fair to say that the school committee and most of the select board members were looking forward to a smooth town meeting. [Speaker 1] (11:03 - 11:04) But it seems, however, [Speaker 1] (11:04 - 11:06) that with closed door decisions like this, [Speaker 1] (11:06 - 11:11) that we haven't made the kind of collegial process that we had hoped, which I think is a pity for the town. [Speaker 1] (11:12 - 11:13) Thanks. [Speaker 2] (11:13 - 11:13) Thank you, Ms. [Speaker 2] (11:13 - 11:14) O'Connor. [Speaker 4] (11:24 - 11:25) Rachel Tare Nash, [Speaker 4] (11:25 - 11:26) 71 Middlesex Ave. [Speaker 4] (11:26 - 11:33) I was here last week to talk to you about figuring out how to expand bus access from the CUT school bus. [Speaker 4] (11:33 - 11:39) I want to thank many of you for reaching out and coming up with some possible ideas and looking into it. [Speaker 4] (11:39 - 11:43) And I'm just here to say that I hope we can continue that process. [Speaker 4] (11:43 - 11:46) And I really appreciate those of you who said, [Speaker 4] (11:46 - 11:46) hey, [Speaker 4] (11:46 - 11:48) let's figure out how we can make this happen. [Speaker 4] (11:48 - 11:49) So thank you. [Speaker 5] (11:49 - 11:50) Thank you, Mr. [Speaker 5] (11:50 - 11:50) Cordes. [Speaker 6] (12:05 - 12:31) Hello, uh James Andrews. I'm here on behalf of uh my precinct this evening. I'm a town meeting member. Um I'm very concerned about the tax rises that are being proposed and I'm looking at the town warrant and the fact that we're gonna have to have tax rises next year as well. When I look at uh the average or the median household income in this town, it's a hundred and thirty thousand dollars. [Speaker 6] (12:32 - 12:43) When I look at the median mortgage that people pay, it's nearly forty thousand dollars. When I look at the median property tax that goes on top of that mortgage, that's another eight thousand. [Speaker 6] (12:43 - 12:50) So when you look at the ratio in terms of affordability for that in this town, that comes out at thirty six percent. [Speaker 6] (12:51 - 12:57) Thirty percent is the affordable marker that's generally used. [Speaker 6] (12:58 - 13:09) If we add another two thousand dollars of property taxes on the average, so a thousand dollars this year and potentially another thousand next year, that gets us up to nearly thirty eight percent. [Speaker 6] (13:09 - 13:11) We're headed in the wrong direction. [Speaker 6] (13:12 - 13:20) And we make a big deal about putting money into affordable housing and creating opportunity, diversity. All of those things are important. However, [Speaker 6] (13:21 - 13:30) These numbers are telling us that it's the property tax rises that are making this town unaffordable for the people who live in it who are on a median salary. [Speaker 6] (13:31 - 13:42) So I just encourage this board and I encourage the school committee as well to kind of look at that and figure out how do we get the $600,000 that's needed. [Speaker 6] (13:44 - 13:48) As a town meeting member, I am a little frustrated with the process. [Speaker 6] (13:48 - 13:51) I have heard different things, [Speaker 6] (13:51 - 13:58) I don't know what is entirely true at this point. And I really don't care. As a property tax owner, [Speaker 6] (13:58 - 14:01) the same comment I have heard from multiple people, [Speaker 6] (14:02 - 14:06) we're not ATMs to keep funding everything the way it is. [Speaker 6] (14:07 - 14:09) So we're going to have to look through this. [Speaker 6] (14:09 - 14:14) We're going to have to cut some things out of this, and we're going to have to make it work, [Speaker 6] (14:14 - 14:17) because we can't keep going back to the medium people around here and saying, [Speaker 6] (14:17 - 14:22) you need to sacrifice another percent of your pre-tax earnings. [Speaker 6] (14:22 - 14:25) It just doesn't work for families in this town. [Speaker 6] (14:25 - 14:26) Thank you. [Speaker 7] (14:26 - 14:28) Thank you, Mr. Andrews. [Speaker 7] (14:29 - 14:31) Is there anyone else for public comment? [Speaker 7] (14:33 - 14:34) Anybody online? [Speaker 7] (14:36 - 14:40) Okay, seeing none, can we go to the town administrator's report? [Speaker 8] (14:40 - 15:01) We can. Alright, I'll be fairly brief. Just wanna let everybody know about the T.A. search committee is asking residents to fill out a survey about what the community wants in a new town administrator. The link is on the town's Facebook page and its website and will be sent out. Worried about the VFW leadership while B'nai B'rith conducting its site work? [Speaker 8] (15:02 - 15:06) And he was on site this week doing some borings on the site. [Speaker 8] (15:07 - 15:10) As many of you know, the annual town meeting is this Monday, [Speaker 8] (15:10 - 15:21) May 19th, seven p.m. We've got the room reserved for three nights. Hopefully we can wrap it up in three nights. If not, I believe it's reserved for the following Monday and the first Monday in June potentially. [Speaker 6] (15:21 - 15:21) Oh. [Speaker 8] (15:21 - 15:23) But we're hoping it gets wrapped up in three. [Speaker 8] (15:25 - 15:30) Marianne McMaster is working on job descriptions for collaboration with Nahant for our building commissioner. [Speaker 8] (15:31 - 15:34) As well as a job description for a recreation director, [Speaker 8] (15:34 - 15:36) as I'll talk about in a minute. [Speaker 8] (15:37 - 15:46) Heidi Weir attended Governor Haley's signing of the Reimaging Aging 2030 plan for Massachusetts, which includes Swampscott's Opening Minds Through Art program. [Speaker 8] (15:48 - 15:51) The annual 4th of July fundraiser golf tournament was held this past Monday. [Speaker 8] (15:51 - 15:57) 128 golfers participated and raised close to $13,000 for the fireworks. [Speaker 8] (15:59 - 16:04) And last but not least, we found out this week that Danielle Strauss, our Recreation Director, [Speaker 8] (16:04 - 16:07) is a retiree in effective July 11th. [Speaker 8] (16:08 - 16:16) Danielle has been the town's Recreation Director for nearly 20 years and has been instrumental in creating most, if not all, of our wonderful program we have today. [Speaker 8] (16:17 - 16:17) Thank you. [Speaker 7] (16:18 - 16:19) Do we have any questions? [Speaker 9] (16:23 - 16:27) So, Gino, we had we had uh we had voted Rich Baldacci a few weeks ago. [Speaker 8] (16:27 - 16:42) We did, and unfortunately we were unable to make the terms work. You know, we thought we had an agreement. We did have an agreement with Nahant to pony up another twenty thousand dollars, but unfortunately ended up rich wanting a little bit more money. [Speaker 9] (16:43 - 16:43) Okay. [Speaker 10] (16:43 - 16:46) So it wasn't about doing Swampscott and Nahant? [Speaker 8] (16:46 - 16:47) No, I was willing to do both. [Speaker 10] (16:47 - 16:47) Okay. [Speaker 8] (16:47 - 16:49) And to Nahant's credit, [Speaker 8] (16:49 - 16:52) they came up from the original $14,000 to $18,000 up to $20,000. [Speaker 8] (16:54 - 16:55) They need a commissioner as much as we do. [Speaker 7] (16:58 - 17:00) So we're still in negotiation with them or what? [Speaker 8] (17:01 - 17:02) Yeah, [Speaker 8] (17:02 - 17:03) we haven't totally closed the door. [Speaker 8] (17:04 - 17:08) The last number is what we have in reserves. [Speaker 8] (17:08 - 17:11) We would have to come up with another $10,000 to make that work. [Speaker 8] (17:14 - 17:16) I know it's a budget crunch, but it's not gonna be easy. [Speaker 7] (17:17 - 17:22) So, are we we're going to work with Nahant and post it, are they in agreement with that? [Speaker 8] (17:22 - 17:35) Yep, yep, that's what it's yeah, Mary Ann's posting that job off uh I already spoke to Tony about that as a town administrator on the hard to make sure he was still on board with the twenty thousand dollars if it wasn't gonna be rich. Because he knows he was getting a certain value with rich being [Speaker 8] (17:36 - 17:38) with the state and being with us so many years. [Speaker 7] (17:38 - 17:41) But he's on board and he has he has that authority, right? [Speaker 8] (17:41 - 17:41) He does, [Speaker 7] (17:41 - 17:41) Okay. [Speaker 8] (17:41 - 17:42) yep. [Speaker 8] (17:43 - 17:44) And [Speaker 8] (17:47 - 17:57) we brought on Bob Ives, that's what I was going to say. Bob started Monday, Bob's going to give us an additional fourteen hours a week, but he just wanted to let me know and everybody know that this is just a stopgap. [Speaker 7] (17:57 - 17:57) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (17:57 - 18:11) It's not, he's gonna stay till July thirty first. He's already retired. He's here to bail us out a little bit. But he said we need to find a building commissioner because July thirty first, whatever the Friday is before July third thirty first will be his last day with Swampscott. [Speaker 7] (18:13 - 18:13) Good. [Speaker 10] (18:14 - 18:14) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (18:14 - 18:17) I have a question on the Marshall Street outfall [Speaker 8] (18:17 - 18:17) Yes. [Speaker 7] (18:17 - 18:19) project moving along. Can you just, where are we with that? [Speaker 8] (18:19 - 18:31) That job's just about wrapped up. We just have a small punch list that we're working on with Grenisse and we will be doing some more testing and the last time we tested the outfall, [Speaker 8] (18:31 - 18:37) actually the catch basin behind 410 Humphrey Street, [Speaker 8] (18:37 - 18:39) we had great results. [Speaker 7] (18:40 - 18:42) So does that mean with the results that you had, [Speaker 7] (18:42 - 18:44) does that mean we can have the recreation programme down there? [Speaker 8] (18:44 - 18:46) Potentially. I don't want to commit to that yet, but [Speaker 9] (18:46 - 18:46) Okay. [Speaker 8] (18:46 - 18:55) there is a very good chance that we will be able to open up Fisherman's Beach for testing. We're going to start a round of testing. We're going to do thirty days worth of testing right now. [Speaker 8] (18:55 - 19:00) We have an individual that's working up from the high school that's going to work with us and test seven days a week for thirty days. [Speaker 7] (19:01 - 19:03) Are they testing all the King's Beach area? [Speaker 7] (19:04 - 19:05) To [Speaker 8] (19:05 - 19:05) Actually, [Speaker 7] (19:05 - 19:06) end Marshall Street. [Speaker 8] (19:06 - 19:09) not Kings Beach. What we have committed to doing right now is Phillips, [Speaker 8] (19:09 - 19:11) Iceman's and Fisherman's. [Speaker 8] (19:11 - 19:15) We know we have issues that we're addressing right now at Kings. [Speaker 7] (19:15 - 19:19) But don't we want to know what Kings is looking like before we start that um [Speaker 8] (19:19 - 19:19) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (19:19 - 19:20) pilot program? [Speaker 8] (19:20 - 19:24) Yeah. But it's not necessary to test every day, but we do plan on testing that as [Speaker 7] (19:24 - 19:24) Okay. [Speaker 8] (19:24 - 19:25) well. Yep. So [Speaker 7] (19:25 - 19:25) So we'll [Speaker 8] (19:25 - 19:25) we have [Speaker 7] (19:25 - 19:25) have an a [Speaker 8] (19:25 - 19:26) new test and equipment. [Speaker 7] (19:26 - 19:27) base rate. [Speaker 7] (19:27 - 19:29) Before the pilot starts. [Speaker 8] (19:29 - 19:35) And then we're going to be tested every day during the pilot as well. We're going to be tested testing it before it goes to the UV and then afterwards. [Speaker 7] (19:36 - 19:37) Great. [Speaker 9] (19:39 - 19:40) I had a few more things I [Speaker 8] (19:40 - 19:40) Sure. [Speaker 9] (19:40 - 19:41) should note. [Speaker 9] (19:41 - 19:45) So certainly road work has been happening all over town. [Speaker 8] (19:45 - 19:45) Yep. [Speaker 9] (19:45 - 19:54) A lot of residents have been have been saying thank you for for for finalizing the paving, you know, really in all in all. [Speaker 2] (20:00 - 20:00) Yes. [Speaker 1] (20:00 - 20:03) Can you just send us an updated list [Speaker 2] (20:03 - 20:03) Absolutely. [Speaker 1] (20:03 - 20:10) and then um I know that a resident uh had had come and was talking about laterals last time. [Speaker 1] (20:10 - 20:14) Do we have an idea of the addresses of the laterals that have been repaired? [Speaker 2] (20:14 - 20:15) That have been repaired? [Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:16) Yes. [Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:16) Absolutely. [Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:16) Oh yeah. [Speaker 1] (20:16 - 20:23) Can we get can we just have that list sent to us as well for the for the addresses for the laterals and the bondage streets? [Speaker 1] (20:23 - 20:24) That'll be helpful. [Speaker 4] (20:24 - 20:24) Yep. [Speaker 1] (20:25 - 20:25) Thank you. [Speaker 4] (20:25 - 20:26) You're welcome. [Speaker 5] (20:34 - 20:37) Okay, so now moving to new and old business. [Speaker 5] (20:38 - 20:41) I would like to make a request that we switch up. [Speaker 5] (20:42 - 20:48) The uh our our line item here and I'd like to move up the election of chair, election of vice chair, [Speaker 5] (20:49 - 20:51) um if you guys are okay with that. [Speaker 1] (20:51 - 20:52) Sure. [Speaker 5] (20:53 - 20:56) Okay, so um starting with the election of chair. [Speaker 1] (20:58 - 20:58) Well, I'm [Speaker 5] (20:58 - 20:59) We're going to [Speaker 1] (20:59 - 21:08) yeah, I w I I would just like to I would just like to make a motion um and consolidate so we can get to the to the business of uh of of looking at um the budget. [Speaker 1] (21:09 - 21:14) Uh Katie Phelan has served as the vice chair for uh for two years. [Speaker 1] (21:15 - 21:16) Um, I would, [Speaker 1] (21:16 - 21:30) this is her fourth year on the board, she just won re-election and I would I would feel comfortable nominating her as chair. Uh and Doug Thompson is in his uh third year on the board and I would feel comfortable uh nominating him as uh as vice chair. [Speaker 5] (21:31 - 21:34) I think the motion you want is whether or not to consolidate, [Speaker 5] (21:34 - 21:36) so we would have to pass that motion first. [Speaker 1] (21:37 - 21:37) Okay, we can, [Speaker 5] (21:37 - 21:38) I [Speaker 1] (21:38 - 21:38) we [Speaker 5] (21:38 - 21:38) mean, I [Speaker 1] (21:38 - 21:39) consider a motion. [Speaker 5] (21:39 - 21:39) don't want to get an open meeting [Speaker 1] (21:39 - 21:40) We can consider, [Speaker 5] (21:40 - 21:40) or. [Speaker 1] (21:40 - 21:43) we can consider a motion to consolidate the election of chair and vice chair. [Speaker 5] (21:47 - 21:47) Second. [Speaker 1] (21:48 - 21:48) Okay. [Speaker 5] (21:49 - 21:50) All in favor? [Speaker 6] (21:50 - 21:50) Aye. [Speaker 7] (21:50 - 21:50) Aye. [Speaker 5] (21:50 - 21:50) Okay. [Speaker 6] (21:51 - 21:51) Aye. [Speaker 5] (21:51 - 21:52) Okay, so now you're in a [Speaker 1] (21:52 - 22:00) Yeah, so now I I would motion for Katie Phelan to be the chair and uh Doug Thompson to be the vice chair of the select board for the twenty five, twenty six year. [Speaker 5] (22:02 - 22:03) Can we have a second? [Speaker 6] (22:03 - 22:03) Second. [Speaker 5] (22:04 - 22:04) All in favor? [Speaker 1] (22:05 - 22:05) Aye. [Speaker 6] (22:05 - 22:05) Aye. [Speaker 8] (22:05 - 22:05) Oh. [Speaker 9] (22:05 - 22:06) All right. [Speaker 5] (22:06 - 22:07) Aye. Motion carries. [Speaker 1] (22:07 - 22:07) Thank you. [Speaker 9] (22:07 - 22:09) Congratulations. [Speaker 5] (22:09 - 22:09) Hmm? [Speaker 5] (22:10 - 22:10) Yep. [Speaker 6] (22:10 - 22:11) Do you look right now? [Speaker 5] (22:13 - 22:13) Yep. [Speaker 10] (22:15 - 22:16) It's like right this second. [Speaker 11] (22:16 - 22:16) Okay. [Speaker 5] (22:16 - 22:16) Uh-huh. [Speaker 10] (22:16 - 22:18) You're not even gonna finish the meeting? [Speaker 5] (22:18 - 22:19) Nope. [Speaker 10] (22:20 - 22:22) This has been how it's gone in the past? [Speaker 5] (22:22 - 22:24) Yes, 'cause usually it's at the end. That's why it's usually at [Speaker 10] (22:24 - 22:24) Fantastic. [Speaker 5] (22:24 - 22:24) the end. [Speaker 10] (22:25 - 22:25) Fantastic. [Speaker 5] (22:26 - 22:26) Congratulations, [Speaker 11] (22:26 - 22:26) Okay. [Speaker 5] (22:26 - 22:26) guys. [Speaker 12] (22:27 - 22:28) Congratulations, Katie. [Speaker 5] (22:28 - 22:28) Congratulations, [Speaker 10] (22:28 - 22:29) Thanks guys. [Speaker 5] (22:29 - 22:29) Katie. [Speaker 10] (22:29 - 22:33) Do you wanna switch seats with Doug then, so Doug and I can sit next to each other? [Speaker 5] (22:33 - 22:33) No. [Speaker 10] (22:34 - 22:36) Next time. Something to look forward to. [Speaker 10] (22:37 - 22:45) Alright well here we are then. I guess uh then taking the agenda in order, discussion and possible vote to extend the deadline for the T.A. search committee. [Speaker 10] (22:46 - 22:55) We have a letter in the packet from Heather Roman respectfully requesting a thirty day extension for the search committee. [Speaker 10] (22:56 - 22:58) Extension brings them to June twenty fifth. [Speaker 10] (22:59 - 23:07) Based on the timeline presented to you at the May 7th Select Board meeting, they expect to request two more extensions after this one. [Speaker 10] (23:08 - 23:15) I believe Tavon spoke to this last time we just didn't vote on it. So we're here to take a formal vote. [Speaker 5] (23:15 - 23:16) Motion to approve. [Speaker 1] (23:17 - 23:17) Second. [Speaker 10] (23:18 - 23:19) All those in favour? [Speaker 5] (23:19 - 23:19) Aye. [Speaker 1] (23:19 - 23:20) Aye. [Speaker 10] (23:20 - 23:20) Fantastic. [Speaker 10] (23:24 - 23:32) Next uh presentation and discussion of the fiscal 26 water and sewer rates. What do we have the pleasure of such presentation? Patrick. [Speaker 1] (23:32 - 23:33) Patrick. That's my man. [Speaker 10] (23:34 - 23:37) Alright, so Diane if you wanna bring that up. [Speaker 1] (23:49 - 23:58) And just before we get started, has this been reviewed uh uh and agreed upon, recommended by the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee? [Speaker 13] (23:58 - 23:58) It has not. [Speaker 14] (24:01 - 24:09) So they had their preliminary review. They have all this information, but there has been no vote. They're actually discussing it tonight at their meeting. [Speaker 1] (24:09 - 24:09) Oh, their meeting. [Speaker 13] (24:09 - 24:10) Yeah, their meeting tonight. [Speaker 1] (24:10 - 24:14) So, um okay. And do we uh what's the t what's the set time sensitivity here? [Speaker 15] (24:16 - 24:22) Um I would just say a first quarter water bills for FY 26 will be issued in August. [Speaker 1] (24:22 - 24:22) Okay. [Speaker 15] (24:22 - 24:30) Um so there is a runway but usually we want to do it prior to year-end so that people who are using water now know what it's gonna cost. [Speaker 1] (24:30 - 24:31) Yep. [Speaker 15] (24:31 - 24:42) Um so we've been trying to move the timeline forward um where in May so maybe like the following meeting if we're ready for a vote or the meeting after that I think would be a good timeline to be on. [Speaker 1] (24:42 - 24:43) Okay. Thank you. We wouldn't really be, [Speaker 1] (24:43 - 24:44) since. [Speaker 16] (24:44 - 24:47) Our advisory committee is meeting right now. [Speaker 5] (24:47 - 24:47) Hmm. [Speaker 16] (24:47 - 24:49) We wouldn't really be expecting to vote on this tonight, [Speaker 15] (24:49 - 24:49) No. [Speaker 17] (24:49 - 24:50) No. [Speaker 5] (24:50 - 24:50) Right, [Speaker 16] (24:50 - 24:50) would we? [Speaker 14] (24:50 - 24:50) And your agenda [Speaker 5] (24:50 - 24:50) that's [Speaker 14] (24:50 - 24:51) doesn't [Speaker 5] (24:51 - 24:51) why we're even [Speaker 14] (24:51 - 24:51) have [Speaker 5] (24:51 - 24:51) first reading. [Speaker 14] (24:51 - 24:51) a vote. [Speaker 10] (24:51 - 24:57) Yeah, I think the agenda just just says the first reading and presentation and discussion. So no vote. [Speaker 16] (25:00 - 25:02) Okay, I didn't see first reading. Okay. [Speaker 10] (25:02 - 25:02) It doesn't [Speaker 5] (25:02 - 25:02) Yeah, [Speaker 10] (25:02 - 25:04) discussion. it says presentation and discussion. [Speaker 15] (25:08 - 25:08) Good? [Speaker 10] (25:09 - 25:09) You're good. [Speaker 15] (25:09 - 25:09) Okay. [Speaker 10] (25:09 - 25:10) You're good, okay. [Speaker 15] (25:10 - 25:10) All right. [Speaker 15] (25:11 - 25:12) First slide, Diane. [Speaker 15] (25:14 - 25:37) Thank you. So I've got some background and just some historical information at the beginning of this that I'll run through. Um you as the select board decide that water and sewer rates at least annually and that power is given to by Mass General Law. So we do this annually if something happens mid-year we can come back and adjust the rates if if need be and we've done that a couple times in the past. [Speaker 15] (25:38 - 25:40) just so you're aware. Next slide. [Speaker 15] (25:42 - 25:59) This slide has some information collected by the MWRA about average annual household consumption of water. The measure is in hundred cubic feet which is what your meter reads and that's what your bill is based on. And you can see over the past ten years that number has [Speaker 15] (26:00 - 26:08) declined a bit, and that's likely due to conservation efforts in general. Um more efficient buildings going in with more efficient fixtures and um [Speaker 15] (26:09 - 26:12) so that'll play into the next few slides. [Speaker 15] (26:14 - 26:25) This is expenditure growth over the last ten years, the sewer fund has had an average five point five percent uh year over year growth in expenses and water has [Speaker 15] (26:25 - 26:54) seen at two point nine percent average growth year over year. Next slide. Um this slide here has a chart of the water and sewer increases that have been passed in the last few years on a combined basis. So that's water and sewer together. Um we've averaged three point two percent over the last ten years. The MWRA survey of fifty six communities in Massachusetts has seen a three point five percent average year over year increase. [Speaker 15] (26:55 - 27:12) And obviously last year to recap the board passed a large rate increase, especially in the sewer fund. It was eighteen percent and in water it was six point two percent. And so that's where you're getting this large anomalous number in twenty twenty four. [Speaker 15] (27:13 - 27:20) Um if you take that out, we were only raising our rates on average one point seven percent year over year. Next slide. [Speaker 15] (27:22 - 27:30) um revenue growth over the last 10 years same thing so for sewer that averaged two point three percent and for water two point nine percent. [Speaker 15] (27:32 - 27:32) Next slide. [Speaker 15] (27:34 - 27:47) Retained earnings um those are certified annually based on the balance in the operating fund and that has been declining over the past few years, combination of increased expenses [Speaker 15] (27:47 - 28:02) conservation and rates maybe just not keeping up with both of those trends perfectly and also use of retained earnings for rate reduction or or projects what have you so next slide [Speaker 15] (28:06 - 28:24) Here we're looking at average household costs compared to the 56 communities that are surveyed by the MWRA annually, and you can see that we're a bit below average on the 10-year change in the household bill with the average being $547, and we're at 529. [Speaker 15] (28:26 - 28:27) Next slide. [Speaker 15] (28:29 - 28:32) This lovely chart, which is a lot, [Speaker 15] (28:32 - 28:43) um that shows our position relative to the fifty six communities that are surveyed and you can see horizontally um on the horizontal axis the water costs we are, [Speaker 15] (28:43 - 28:53) you know, the ninth highest community for water costs compared to that peer group, however in sewer we're the sixteenth lowest out of fifty six. Um so there's [Speaker 15] (28:54 - 28:59) Definitely a difference there and we'll get into that next slide. [Speaker 15] (29:04 - 29:10) This slide has our budgeted expenses for water and sewer. We're seeing a 3.7% growth on water, [Speaker 15] (29:10 - 29:12) 7.1% in sewer. [Speaker 15] (29:12 - 29:23) Those are driven primarily in sewer by borrowing costs for infrastructure upgrades and in water it's similar infrastructure upgrades for water main replacements, et cetera. [Speaker 15] (29:24 - 29:30) And I'll also just note that the largest expenses in both of these budgets are the assessments from the regional authorities that [Speaker 15] (29:30 - 29:34) that provide us with water or sewer treatment services. [Speaker 15] (29:36 - 29:36) Next slide. [Speaker 15] (29:38 - 29:49) Here you have the assumptions that go into the ten-year rate forecast you'll see on the next few slides. These are assumptions we use to insulate ourselves [Speaker 1] (29:54 - 30:08) So we've uh taken an average of, you know, consumption for water uh for the last few years and we've said we'll take our average and reduce domestic consumption by five percent to be conservative in case that that the result [Speaker 1] (30:09 - 30:35) um doesn't meet our expectations. And for irrigation that can swing more wildly, so we apply a fifteen percent reduction to that assumption. And then we take our average collection rate and assume that our account numbers are stable. Our departmental revenues are stable because they have been for many, many years. And we use a bit of an aggressive operating budget growth of three and a half percent and then also our knowns about infrastructure upgrades are factored in. [Speaker 1] (30:36 - 30:37) for that service. [Speaker 1] (30:38 - 30:39) Next slide. [Speaker 1] (30:41 - 30:46) And this is the whole um summary of what we've prepared for rate options. [Speaker 1] (30:47 - 30:50) So we prepared three options this year. [Speaker 1] (30:50 - 31:13) Previously we've have done two options for you. Um but given the costs and the growth we wanted to come up with a sixteen percent option that just represents a more affordable option to consider. Um but number one would be the most geared towards financial stability, replenishing our retained earnings to twenty percent, which is our financial policy threshold, by the end of the ensuing fiscal year. [Speaker 1] (31:13 - 31:41) and that would result in average costs increase to the typical home of a hundred and eighteen dollars on an annual basis. And I also put on the second to last row there where that would is estimated to put us in a rank of affordability compared to the 56 other communities that are surveyed by the MWRA. So even passing that level increase keeps us about middle of the pack compared to all those other communities that are surveyed. [Speaker 1] (31:43 - 31:44) Next slide. [Speaker 1] (31:46 - 32:06) Um this is a ten-year forecast for rate option one. I won't go really into these slides they're the same. But for each option it shows you what is a hypothetical increase for the next ten years to maintain an appropriate level of retained earnings and fund the anticipated budget and infrastructure upgrades that are known [Speaker 2] (32:06 - 32:06) Hmm. [Speaker 1] (32:06 - 32:13) in both funds. And the squiggly lines you see going across the top are your retained earnings balance as a percent of budget. So you can see that [Speaker 1] (32:13 - 32:22) that goes up and then it is somewhat stabilized and then, you know, once we get through our infrastructure upgrades it continues on. [Speaker 1] (32:24 - 32:26) And you can skip this one and this one. [Speaker 1] (32:27 - 32:35) And this is the last slide. This is just a summary of the actual rates per hundred cubic feet that would be on the table for either of the three options. [Speaker 1] (32:38 - 32:39) Well, that's any questions. [Speaker 4] (32:42 - 32:44) Anybody have questions for Patrick? [Speaker 4] (32:46 - 32:48) It's a lot of information in a short amount of time. [Speaker 1] (32:48 - 32:48) Yes, [Speaker 4] (32:48 - 32:48) But [Speaker 1] (32:48 - 32:48) sorry. [Speaker 4] (32:48 - 32:49) we can. That's okay. [Speaker 1] (32:49 - 32:50) It always is. [Speaker 4] (32:50 - 32:50) You don't have to be sorry. [Speaker 4] (32:50 - 32:53) I don't have to be sorry. Um Marianne? [Speaker 5] (32:55 - 32:58) Under retained earnings. [Speaker 1] (32:59 - 32:59) Yep. [Speaker 5] (33:00 - 33:01) So it looks like [Speaker 5] (33:05 - 33:06) from twenty two [Speaker 5] (33:06 - 33:12) To 25% our retained earnings have dropped over two and a half million dollars. [Speaker 1] (33:13 - 33:14) Yes. [Speaker 5] (33:14 - 33:15) Is that correct? [Speaker 1] (33:15 - 33:16) Yes. [Speaker 5] (33:21 - 33:28) And especially from 23 to 25, our retained earnings have dropped just short of two million. [Speaker 1] (33:29 - 33:29) Yes. [Speaker 6] (33:30 - 33:33) And is that just water or sewer, you've combined, Mary Ellen? Or [Speaker 6] (33:35 - 33:36) But they're both dropping. [Speaker 5] (33:40 - 33:41) On this it looks like [Speaker 4] (33:41 - 33:43) The water has a steeper decline than [Speaker 5] (33:43 - 33:47) Water has a steeper decline, but in the retained earnings. [Speaker 5] (33:48 - 33:50) Well, it's [Speaker 5] (33:53 - 33:55) It's just the retained earnings in both of these is very [Speaker 6] (33:55 - 33:55) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (33:55 - 33:55) substantial. [Speaker 6] (33:55 - 33:56) sewer's down to zero, right? [Speaker 4] (33:56 - 33:57) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (33:57 - 33:58) essentially, [Speaker 6] (33:58 - 33:58) Oh. [Speaker 1] (33:58 - 33:59) on on paper. [Speaker 5] (33:59 - 34:02) Sewer is down to zero with a two million dollar loss. [Speaker 5] (34:03 - 34:05) in just under three years. [Speaker 1] (34:08 - 34:12) Yes, so we've had uh several years where consumption was unfavourable. [Speaker 1] (34:12 - 34:21) And because retained earnings carries forward every year if we make an assumption on revenue and we know our expenses and all the expenses come to fruition, but then [Speaker 1] (34:22 - 34:23) consumption doesn't quite hit [Speaker 1] (34:24 - 34:33) Um then that leads to a draw down in the ending balance at the end of the year, and we haven't had uh a really up year to replenish that. [Speaker 1] (34:33 - 34:41) And we haven't been raising the rates beyond what you know we reasonably anticipate our need of for expenses and what we anticipate for revenue. So that's why [Speaker 1] (34:42 - 34:55) You're seeing another large re decrease suggested this year to get us to a place where we're generating surplus, at least in years one and two, and then going forward maintaining to a certain level at least. [Speaker 6] (34:56 - 34:57) I mean, I I [Speaker 6] (34:57 - 35:05) Especially with everything else we're gonna talk about the last thing we want to be talking about is raising these rates But like we this is like Groundhog Day. We were here last year [Speaker 1] (35:05 - 35:05) Right. [Speaker 6] (35:05 - 35:07) With the same conversation. [Speaker 5] (35:07 - 35:07) Mm-hmm, [Speaker 6] (35:07 - 35:10) I think you got gave us a couple different options 18 or 19 percent [Speaker 5] (35:10 - 35:10) mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (35:10 - 35:13) or something like that and despite that [Speaker 6] (35:13 - 35:15) We just went the wrong direction, [Speaker 6] (35:15 - 35:15) right? [Speaker 7] (35:15 - 35:18) So the rate options that were voted last year, [Speaker 7] (35:18 - 35:24) the board supported increasing the rates that we hit 20 percent within three years. [Speaker 7] (35:24 - 35:26) So this is year two of that plan. [Speaker 6] (35:27 - 35:27) Hmm? [Speaker 6] (35:27 - 35:29) But we s but we still [Speaker 5] (35:29 - 35:29) Still tendering [Speaker 6] (35:29 - 35:30) We it. went [Speaker 4] (35:30 - 35:30) It was [Speaker 6] (35:30 - 35:30) down, [Speaker 4] (35:30 - 35:31) it still went down, [Speaker 6] (35:31 - 35:31) right? [Speaker 5] (35:31 - 35:31) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (35:31 - 35:32) it didn't increase. [Speaker 6] (35:32 - 35:32) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (35:32 - 35:33) Correct. [Speaker 5] (35:33 - 35:34) So what's wrong with the projections? [Speaker 6] (35:35 - 35:35) Yeah, there's wa [Speaker 5] (35:35 - 35:36) That's what leads me to that. [Speaker 6] (35:36 - 35:38) much less consumption, right? [Speaker 1] (35:38 - 35:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (35:38 - 35:38) Is that [Speaker 1] (35:38 - 35:39) Right. [Speaker 6] (35:39 - 35:40) we're both water and sewer, so [Speaker 5] (35:42 - 35:45) So where are we going wrong, in your opinion, your professional opinion? [Speaker 1] (35:45 - 35:52) I think given the large swings we've seen in the last few years, which don't necessarily line up with long-term history, they're unusual. [Speaker 1] (35:53 - 36:15) I think factoring those in and being more conservative in the revenue assumptions going forward is gonna protect us from these l now that we now we might see larger swings than our typical. Um so I think that's factored in here. I think it was to an extent last year, obviously not enough. Um and then I think the additional just pressure on the expenses growing. [Speaker 8] (36:16 - 36:23) So Patrick, was this just a utilization as we came out of COVID and people, you know, we're not, we're no longer in their homes 24 hours a day, [Speaker 8] (36:24 - 36:24) we [Speaker 1] (36:24 - 36:24) Right, [Speaker 8] (36:24 - 36:24) went back to the we office? [Speaker 1] (36:24 - 36:27) might have had a COVID factor as well. [Speaker 8] (36:27 - 36:30) That's, and then just, just on the detailed rate table, [Speaker 8] (36:30 - 36:32) page 16 of the presentation, [Speaker 8] (36:32 - 36:40) you know, our current rates certainly have a, have a tiered, you know, have a tiered base rate. [Speaker 8] (36:42 - 36:48) Um but in these options it looks like it's it's a flat base rate. Any any thought as to [Speaker 1] (36:48 - 36:57) Yeah, and that's a good observation, and that's something we're talking to the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee about right now. Um but that came out of a recommendation from [Speaker 1] (36:57 - 37:14) the DPW team that prepares the water bills every quarter. Right now when we originally t opted to tear the base rate, we were hopeful that the software system we use for this would accommodate an automate process where we can tear the base rate. [Speaker 1] (37:15 - 37:17) Hasn't happened. We had an upgrade scheduled, [Speaker 1] (37:18 - 37:26) the upgrade didn't didn't do that for us, as anticipated. So it's a large administrative burden to quarterly um update. [Speaker 1] (37:27 - 37:34) those tiered base rates for the quite frankly peanuts of revenue, that difference that that accounts for. [Speaker 8] (37:34 - 37:34) Yep. [Speaker 1] (37:34 - 37:35) Um [Speaker 1] (37:35 - 38:03) And I think one of the things that was designed to do was to help a very, very low end user, um avoid some, you know, uh flat rate costs that they otherwise wouldn't have to incur. But we do have an existing abatement programme for the base fee. If someone is seventy five or older and uses below a certain threshold of water on a fiscal year basis, then they can apply through the D_P_W_ office for an abatement of their base rate anyway. So I think we can accomplish the same [Speaker 1] (38:03 - 38:15) lose desired effect with also saving staff time that can be deployed better, um so that's what that accomplishes. I'm glad you picked up on that, because I forgot to mention that [Speaker 9] (38:15 - 38:15) Fair enough. [Speaker 1] (38:15 - 38:15) earlier. [Speaker 9] (38:15 - 38:15) Thank [Speaker 4] (38:15 - 38:16) Well, [Speaker 1] (38:16 - 38:16) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (38:16 - 38:16) you. [Speaker 4] (38:16 - 38:29) so to that to that point though, I guess that puts the onus on the the user to apply for the abatement? And what is the education that we've given residents thus far that the abatement exists such that they're utilizing it? [Speaker 4] (38:29 - 38:30) it um [Speaker 1] (38:30 - 38:33) I there's a communication piece, and I had that [Speaker 4] (38:33 - 38:33) thought, Yeah. [Speaker 1] (38:33 - 38:37) too, because instead of it being automatic now, it's it's [Speaker 4] (38:37 - 38:37) Right. [Speaker 1] (38:37 - 38:38) more you have to be proactive. So [Speaker 4] (38:38 - 38:38) Yep. [Speaker 1] (38:38 - 38:58) um it's on the website already, it's something that I think I'll put on the collector's website too, and also printed copies in my office um the collector's office, and having my staff also educate people as they come in to pay their bills, especially um some of the people that might benefit from this most are the people that [Speaker 1] (38:58 - 38:59) people that physically come into the [Speaker 4] (38:59 - 38:59) Okay. [Speaker 1] (38:59 - 39:00) bank um [Speaker 4] (39:00 - 39:00) Yep. [Speaker 1] (39:00 - 39:08) typically so there's an education piece there that I'll do with my team and hopefully that'll increase the utilization of that program. [Speaker 4] (39:08 - 39:10) I think there's maybe a collaboration, too, with the Senior Center. [Speaker 7] (39:11 - 39:11) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (39:11 - 39:11) So [Speaker 7] (39:11 - 39:11) Now [Speaker 4] (39:11 - 39:16) the people who visit the Senior Center, if there's some sort of educational pamphlet or something about it. [Speaker 1] (39:16 - 39:20) Yeah, so we can connect with Heidi on that, get it out there and hopefully it'll help [Speaker 4] (39:21 - 39:21) Yep. [Speaker 1] (39:21 - 39:21) more people. [Speaker 6] (39:22 - 39:32) Is there anything that drives or restrains the delta between tier one and tier three? I mean you could have that be a bigger delta as well, right? [Speaker 1] (39:32 - 39:33) So glad you picked up on that too, [Speaker 5] (39:33 - 39:33) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (39:33 - 39:44) 'cause that's something the Water and Sewer Infrastructure Committee asked the about the spread between the tiers, how is that arrived at, what does it do if we change it? So that was one of their questions and we're gonna [Speaker 2] (39:53 - 39:54) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (39:54 - 40:05) I think it would be helpful to next time we have this conversation understanding the sort of where we left off the conversation last time because I did think that there was sort of like a [Speaker 4] (40:06 - 40:29) three-year plan in place and this doesn't really acknowledge that we had gone down this path and maybe that path wasn't enough so maybe understanding like whatever projection we had last year how the model changed given the reduction in consumption and then what the recommendation is going forward why what we originally thought we the path we were going down isn't going to sustain us [Speaker 1] (40:29 - 40:33) reconcile the two and then also here's the path forward, [Speaker 1] (40:33 - 40:33) I think that [Speaker 4] (40:34 - 40:34) Okay. [Speaker 1] (40:34 - 40:35) Probably we can do that. [Speaker 5] (40:36 - 40:43) Are we using the same consumption assumption that we used last [Speaker 6] (40:43 - 40:43) No. [Speaker 5] (40:43 - 40:44) year? [Speaker 4] (40:45 - 40:45) Thank goodness. [Speaker 5] (40:46 - 40:48) What, then how has that changed? [Speaker 5] (40:48 - 40:51) Maybe you already said that, but just to say that it like, are [Speaker 1] (40:51 - 40:52) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (40:52 - 40:52) you using [Speaker 1] (40:52 - 40:52) so I, [Speaker 5] (40:52 - 40:52) the same [Speaker 1] (40:52 - 40:52) you [Speaker 5] (40:52 - 40:53) more [Speaker 1] (40:53 - 40:53) know, [Speaker 5] (40:53 - 40:55) recent results to predict the future? [Speaker 1] (40:55 - 41:03) yeah, yeah, more recent results because that's more reflective of what's happening because when you're on a downward trend and you want to be conservative, you're going to use [Speaker 1] (41:03 - 41:10) lower numbers. So um using the most recent data since then we've we've tweaked that. [Speaker 5] (41:11 - 41:15) Is that the five percent reduction in domestic consumption that you had in this? [Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:25) Yeah, yeah. So we're taking, you know, that consumption for our, you know, most recent figures and we're applying that assumption to that. [Speaker 1] (41:25 - 41:32) So we're assuming we're gonna get five percent less than we anticipate. And fifteen percent in irrigation, because irrigation can swing [Speaker 1] (41:33 - 41:36) much more, 'cause it's discretionary. You don't have to have a green lawn. [Speaker 7] (41:37 - 41:37) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (41:37 - 41:38) It is is there [Speaker 8] (41:38 - 41:38) Oh. [Speaker 5] (41:38 - 41:52) is there anything more out of the box that water and sewer is considering? Is there anything is there anything really different that we can be doing in this regard? Or are we just like [Speaker 1] (41:52 - 41:53) As far as the structure [Speaker 5] (41:53 - 41:53) cost of the costs? [Speaker 1] (41:53 - 41:58) of the rates and, you know, the programming of them, I don't have any [Speaker 1] (41:58 - 42:09) newide ideas so far from them beyond you know understanding the spread between the the tiers and seeing if there's anything that can or should be tweaked there. [Speaker 4] (42:11 - 42:14) To be fair we also they also haven't discussed it, right? [Speaker 1] (42:15 - 42:19) Oh yeah, that's counting to them. They're just talking about it for the first time tonight as a full group, so [Speaker 4] (42:19 - 42:19) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (42:20 - 42:25) How does the I_N_I_ fee factor into retained earnings? So if someone's paying the I_N_I_ fee, [Speaker 1] (42:25 - 42:26) It does not. [Speaker 10] (42:27 - 42:27) I_N_I is a separate fund. [Speaker 9] (42:27 - 42:28) Where does that go? [Speaker 9] (42:28 - 42:30) S it's a has its own funding? [Speaker 10] (42:30 - 42:31) Yes. [Speaker 9] (42:31 - 42:36) Oh And then how does that how does that I_N_I_ funding get implemented into the [Speaker 9] (42:36 - 42:39) Sewer into the into actual sewer operations. [Speaker 1] (42:39 - 42:43) I think it so the INI fees are reserved in their own [Speaker 9] (42:43 - 42:43) Yes. [Speaker 1] (42:43 - 42:48) fund and they can be used to pay for infrastructure improvements. So if you take it a step further, [Speaker 1] (42:48 - 42:53) if we had enough accumulated and we had a project we wanted to use them towards, [Speaker 1] (42:53 - 42:57) then it would reduce borrowing cost or appropriation out of retained earning if necessary from here. [Speaker 9] (42:58 - 42:59) And how much do we have in that fund? [Speaker 4] (43:01 - 43:01) Okay. [Speaker 11] (43:01 - 43:02) I will [Speaker 9] (43:02 - 43:03) Oh, you don't have to look it up. [Speaker 4] (43:03 - 43:03) Okay. [Speaker 9] (43:03 - 43:03) Oh, [Speaker 1] (43:03 - 43:04) We don't [Speaker 9] (43:04 - 43:04) no, it's [Speaker 1] (43:04 - 43:04) have it [Speaker 9] (43:04 - 43:04) okay. [Speaker 1] (43:04 - 43:08) on hand, but we can get you that. But that's something that, you know, if it was [Speaker 1] (43:09 - 43:16) used heavily and accumulated a balance that was hefty enough then that could support a project and that would relieve something out of the operating. [Speaker 1] (43:16 - 43:17) I [Speaker 9] (43:17 - 43:19) Do we have a p do we have a policy on how we use that funds? [Speaker 1] (43:21 - 43:22) think it's a statute, [Speaker 11] (43:22 - 43:22) It's it's a statute. [Speaker 1] (43:22 - 43:23) yeah. [Speaker 9] (43:23 - 43:23) Oh, it's a statute? [Speaker 11] (43:23 - 43:23) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (43:23 - 43:24) Okay. [Speaker 9] (43:26 - 43:46) And is there any way to change the the the poli is there any way, because right now if you take out a a permit for a house and you can say I'm just gonna be using this as a play room, and then once you get your building permit it really could be a bedroom, is there any way of changing it from bedroom to actual just rooms, or is that statutory too? [Speaker 12] (43:47 - 43:51) I'll look into that because I know when we set it up, it was set based off of [Speaker 9] (43:52 - 43:52) Bedroom. [Speaker 12] (43:52 - 43:59) bedrooms and we were able to set that formula, so I'll double check and see how much discretion we have on setting that formula. [Speaker 5] (44:01 - 44:03) And the rate is in our discretion as well? [Speaker 9] (44:03 - 44:04) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 12] (44:05 - 44:08) Yeah, there's two parts of the formula rate-wise that is the slack board. [Speaker 13] (44:13 - 44:16) Questions for you Patrick. How is debt factored into the rates? [Speaker 13] (44:16 - 44:20) We've done ten million dollars worth of sewer projects over the last five years, [Speaker 1] (44:20 - 44:21) Right. [Speaker 13] (44:21 - 44:21) and so on, so [Speaker 1] (44:21 - 44:21) Right. [Speaker 13] (44:21 - 44:24) that's obviously factored into the rates as well, right? [Speaker 1] (44:24 - 44:30) Yep, it's part of the budget. So any infrastructure upgrades we're doing and we're funding through debt is factored into [Speaker 1] (44:30 - 44:41) the operating expense. And that's baked in here. What we have for FY 26 is baked in here. And what we know about going forward is baked into the budget assumption for the forecasting. So [Speaker 1] (44:43 - 44:52) That's if you take on more projects and do more debt and have more payments, then the rate is gonna have to be paced with that if consumption isn't, you know, growing, which it won't. [Speaker 5] (44:53 - 44:53) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (44:54 - 45:00) So with that, so right now what you're saying at a minimum if we were to go in a in a [Speaker 9] (45:02 - 45:08) in a worst case situation what is the increase to the average the average consumer? [Speaker 1] (45:09 - 45:10) On [Speaker 9] (45:10 - 45:10) What [Speaker 1] (45:10 - 45:10) the [Speaker 9] (45:10 - 45:10) do we say here? [Speaker 1] (45:10 - 45:11) three scenarios I [Speaker 4] (45:11 - 45:12) This one. [Speaker 1] (45:12 - 45:17) that we prepared here, it's a hundred and eighteen dollars, estimated. Last year it was a hundred and eleven. [Speaker 9] (45:18 - 45:19) So that's an increase [Speaker 1] (45:20 - 45:20) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 9] (45:20 - 45:24) of seventy seven dollars on top of what people are [Speaker 1] (45:24 - 45:29) Yeah. If you did the most affordable option that we prepared, that would be seventy seven dollars estimated. [Speaker 4] (45:29 - 45:33) And how does that fall in line with what the three year plan was last year? [Speaker 1] (45:35 - 45:36) Um [Speaker 5] (45:37 - 45:37) Hello. [Speaker 5] (45:38 - 45:38) Hmm? [Speaker 1] (45:39 - 45:40) I don't have that red [Speaker 12] (45:40 - 45:40) Okay. [Speaker 1] (45:40 - 45:43) in front of me, but we we like we'll have that reconciliation [Speaker 12] (45:43 - 45:43) Okay. [Speaker 1] (45:43 - 45:45) for you, that's what you were asking for, I hope. [Speaker 12] (45:45 - 45:50) Oh, Mary Ellen, we have uh forty six thousand three hundred fifty dollars in the I_ and I_ fees this year. [Speaker 9] (45:51 - 45:55) And that's the I_ and I_ fee that was projected to be half a million dollars in two years. [Speaker 12] (45:55 - 46:06) Yeah, it was instituted I think the original projection included that it would capture a development and it was implemented after the development had pulled the permits. [Speaker 14] (46:07 - 46:14) So do you know, do we have any idea of the new development on Essex Street? How m how much will be generated from either [Speaker 1] (46:14 - 46:14) Oh. [Speaker 14] (46:14 - 46:19) for the for the the development over over on over on Essex next to Stop and Shop? [Speaker 13] (46:20 - 46:27) Yeah, it would be based on bedrooms. Was it 160 bedrooms maybe? Multiply that by 2200 and that would be the amount of current. [Speaker 13] (46:28 - 46:29) I'll give that to you. [Speaker 13] (46:31 - 46:31) Real quick. [Speaker 14] (46:32 - 46:33) No, it's It's it's it's [Speaker 13] (46:33 - 46:34) it's just it's [Speaker 14] (46:34 - 46:35) it's substantial and real money. [Speaker 13] (46:35 - 46:35) exactly. [Speaker 14] (46:35 - 46:36) Got it. Thank you. [Speaker 4] (46:36 - 46:40) Eight hundred and fifty two thousand dollars, so it's twenty two hundred dollars times a hundred and sixty bedrooms. [Speaker 13] (46:41 - 46:41) Okay. [Speaker 14] (46:41 - 46:44) It's a hundred and sixty units. But are they all one bedrooms or? [Speaker 13] (46:44 - 46:44) Good question. [Speaker 4] (46:44 - 46:46) Oh, great question. So it's at least [Speaker 14] (46:46 - 46:46) At [Speaker 4] (46:46 - 46:46) three [Speaker 13] (46:46 - 46:46) Exactly. [Speaker 4] (46:46 - 46:46) three hundred [Speaker 14] (46:46 - 46:46) hundred and [Speaker 4] (46:46 - 46:46) and [Speaker 14] (46:46 - 46:47) sixty [Speaker 4] (46:47 - 46:47) fifty [Speaker 14] (46:47 - 46:47) twenty. [Speaker 4] (46:47 - 46:47) two, [Speaker 14] (46:47 - 46:47) Okay, [Speaker 4] (46:47 - 46:47) or [Speaker 14] (46:47 - 46:47) perfect. [Speaker 4] (46:47 - 46:49) three hundred and fifty two thousand. [Speaker 14] (46:50 - 46:50) Thanks. [Speaker 4] (46:54 - 46:54) Okay. [Speaker 13] (46:54 - 46:55) Hello Patrick. [Speaker 4] (46:55 - 46:58) Is uh anybody have anything else for Patrick? [Speaker 4] (47:01 - 47:13) All right. Um so we'll look forward to some of the questions we have remaining answered and look forward to feedback from water sewer once they do their reading for a recommendation. Thank you Patrick. [Speaker 9] (47:14 - 47:14) You're welcome. [Speaker 4] (47:16 - 47:20) Okay. Final item on new and old business, [Speaker 4] (47:20 - 47:22) the annual town meeting warrant. [Speaker 4] (47:22 - 47:26) Review discussion and votes on articles for inclusion in the warrant. [Speaker 4] (47:27 - 47:27) Um [Speaker 4] (47:33 - 47:40) so I actually think that that language might be wrong. We've already closed the warrant, so the inclusion of articles in the warrant. [Speaker 9] (47:42 - 47:43) That's from K.P. Long. [Speaker 9] (47:43 - 47:44) That [Speaker 4] (47:44 - 47:44) Okay. [Speaker 9] (47:44 - 47:45) said, that language [Speaker 4] (47:45 - 47:52) So maybe this covers all sins, but we can't at this point exclude anything from the warrant because we've already closed it. So um [Speaker 4] (47:53 - 47:59) But I have my list from last time, the things that we skipped over that we still need to discuss. [Speaker 4] (48:01 - 48:06) Um and Amy correct me if I'm wrong because I think you're the keeper of the list also. [Speaker 4] (48:06 - 48:08) Um maybe we'll start with the [Speaker 4] (48:09 - 48:20) the easier of what was left, which I think are the transitional audit, well I think what's left is the transitional audit article. [Speaker 4] (48:21 - 48:27) Seven, cola base increase article eight, and then the fiscal twenty six budget article four. Sorry. [Speaker 12] (48:27 - 48:32) Did you already vote the special education reserve finance committee just voted it on Monday? [Speaker 4] (48:32 - 48:33) Did we already [Speaker 12] (48:33 - 48:35) But you may have preemptively supported [Speaker 4] (48:35 - 48:35) I [Speaker 12] (48:35 - 48:35) it. [Speaker 4] (48:35 - 48:37) believe we t I [Speaker 9] (48:37 - 48:37) I think [Speaker 4] (48:37 - 48:37) have [Speaker 9] (48:37 - 48:37) we voted [Speaker 4] (48:37 - 48:38) written down that [Speaker 9] (48:38 - 48:38) I think [Speaker 4] (48:38 - 48:38) we [Speaker 9] (48:38 - 48:39) we did. voted it. [Speaker 4] (48:39 - 48:39) Anybody else? [Speaker 14] (48:39 - 48:40) We did, four oh. [Speaker 4] (48:40 - 48:41) Okay, four oh, great. [Speaker 12] (48:42 - 48:42) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (48:43 - 48:46) Um so I believe those are the only three that I had flagged [Speaker 9] (48:46 - 48:46) No, [Speaker 4] (48:46 - 48:46) on that. [Speaker 9] (48:46 - 48:47) it should have been [Speaker 9] (48:47 - 48:48) Oh yeah, [Speaker 13] (48:48 - 48:48) I wasn't [Speaker 9] (48:48 - 48:49) we got like here. four of us here. [Speaker 13] (48:49 - 48:49) Yep. [Speaker 4] (48:50 - 49:01) Great. So maybe we'll start uh in at article eight and go backwards, which is the cola based increase. Um [Speaker 9] (49:03 - 49:07) So this is the one that the retirement uh voted for sixteen dollars? [Speaker 4] (49:08 - 49:09) Sixteen thousand, yep. [Speaker 9] (49:09 - 49:10) Sixteen sixteen thousand. [Speaker 9] (49:10 - 49:11) Sixteen dollars. [Speaker 9] (49:11 - 49:11) Hmm. [Speaker 4] (49:12 - 49:13) Sixteen dollars, yep. [Speaker 4] (49:14 - 49:15) uh well [Speaker 4] (49:18 - 49:25) Retirement voted eighteen thousand, Amy correct? And then finance committee voted sixteen thousand, to support sixteen thousand. [Speaker 9] (49:25 - 49:26) Right. [Speaker 4] (49:26 - 49:26) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (49:36 - 49:39) Where do people wanna have Amy, do you have [Speaker 2] (49:39 - 49:39) Amy, [Speaker 1] (49:39 - 49:39) that? [Speaker 2] (49:39 - 49:40) do you have a recommendation? [Speaker 4] (49:41 - 49:41) Hmm? [Speaker 2] (49:41 - 49:42) Do you have an opinion on this one? [Speaker 4] (49:43 - 50:04) So I I was part of the vote, so I I did vote in line with the rest of the board at eighteen. I do also support sixteen. Um I something for the retirees I think is very beneficial. I think the benchmarks that were set forth, you know, definitely support sixteen. I understand the [Speaker 4] (50:04 - 50:10) put my fellow board members position on the 18 but I very much agree with something [Speaker 5] (50:12 - 50:18) And to catch up this this either this doesn't really affect this year's budget This is one of the things that pushes out [Speaker 1] (50:18 - 50:19) Correct. [Speaker 5] (50:19 - 50:19) the payoff date, [Speaker 1] (50:19 - 50:20) Yep. [Speaker 5] (50:20 - 50:20) right? [Speaker 6] (50:20 - 50:20) Correct. [Speaker 4] (50:20 - 50:21) This this [Speaker 1] (50:21 - 50:21) It [Speaker 4] (50:21 - 50:21) will not [Speaker 1] (50:21 - 50:21) won't [Speaker 4] (50:21 - 50:21) impact [Speaker 1] (50:21 - 50:21) even [Speaker 4] (50:21 - 50:23) the general fund until [Speaker 1] (50:23 - 50:23) Right. [Speaker 4] (50:23 - 50:24) 2031. [Speaker 5] (50:24 - 50:24) Right. [Speaker 6] (50:24 - 50:24) Because you're ahead, [Speaker 1] (50:24 - 50:25) It's [Speaker 6] (50:25 - 50:25) right? [Speaker 1] (50:25 - 50:38) not even they're not even looking to push out the payout date at this point in time. They are looking to just increase the amount owed in 2031 from like five point change to whatever the I [Speaker 4] (50:38 - 50:38) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (50:38 - 50:39) think it's a one five seven [Speaker 4] (50:39 - 50:39) 137. [Speaker 1] (50:39 - 50:40) seven. [Speaker 4] (50:41 - 50:45) The 18 would bring it up to 8.67. [Speaker 1] (50:45 - 50:45) Right. [Speaker 1] (50:45 - 50:47) That's a three [Speaker 4] (50:47 - 50:47) 7 [Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:47) point, [Speaker 4] (50:47 - 50:48) .06 for [Speaker 1] (50:48 - 50:49) yeah, [Speaker 4] (50:49 - 50:49) 16. [Speaker 1] (50:49 - 50:55) yeah. So it was like a one point seven million per thousand increase. [Speaker 4] (50:55 - 50:56) Or 2,000 increase. [Speaker 1] (50:57 - 51:01) For, so I'm sorry, you're right, for 2,000. From 14 to 16, from 16 to 18. [Speaker 1] (51:02 - 51:07) So um so we did not take a vote. [Speaker 1] (51:07 - 51:18) We did not take action on this last time, so we have to determine at what amount we would like to take action or if we want to take action at all. [Speaker 7] (51:23 - 51:30) So I would make a motion to go with the $16,000. [Speaker 7] (51:32 - 51:37) based on the Finance Committee's recommendation, based on the director of finance recommendation. [Speaker 1] (51:38 - 51:39) I have a motion to have a second? [Speaker 4] (51:39 - 51:40) Second. [Speaker 1] (51:40 - 51:43) Second. Do we have discussion or you wanna go to a vote? [Speaker 5] (51:44 - 51:45) I'm good. [Speaker 5] (51:48 - 51:52) So this is, really affects it brings up everybody, [Speaker 5] (51:53 - 51:54) right? Um [Speaker 5] (51:57 - 51:58) Okay, yeah, I understand. [Speaker 1] (52:01 - 52:01) Okay? [Speaker 5] (52:01 - 52:01) Yep. [Speaker 1] (52:01 - 52:04) All right. Then let's vote. All in favor? [Speaker 5] (52:04 - 52:04) Aye. [Speaker 7] (52:04 - 52:04) Aye. [Speaker 1] (52:04 - 52:05) Aye. [Speaker 4] (52:05 - 52:05) Hi. [Speaker 1] (52:05 - 52:06) All opposed? [Speaker 5] (52:06 - 52:07) Aye. [Speaker 1] (52:08 - 52:10) Okay, so four one. [Speaker 1] (52:11 - 52:16) We will um support that increase to sixteen. [Speaker 1] (52:17 - 52:20) Okay. On to article seven, [Speaker 1] (52:20 - 52:22) the transitional audit. [Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:34) So there's a lot of questions about this last time where what exactly the scope of the audit would be and we wanted to get some information before we voted [Speaker 1] (52:36 - 52:38) whether or not to support the article. [Speaker 1] (52:38 - 52:41) I believe that information was shared with us today. [Speaker 7] (52:42 - 52:46) So when we brought this up in the fall? [Speaker 7] (52:47 - 53:00) All beginning winter, we had talked about doing an overall, a larger transitional audit. But Jerry Perry, who's a resident of the town, a past chair of the finance committee, [Speaker 7] (53:01 - 53:02) the head of DOR, [Speaker 7] (53:02 - 53:08) he went through a number of items and he recommended that we just [Speaker 7] (53:08 - 53:20) um do a transition audit. He actually first recommended we do a transition audit on everything. And then after looking looking at all the books and also recognising what we could do for free, [Speaker 7] (53:20 - 53:36) he recommended that we just do these items right here. Um he did also he had recommended also uh the assessing department, but the uh D_O_R_ came in and worked with our assessing department. So that's we could get that for free if we wanna go even further on that. So the three things [Speaker 7] (53:37 - 53:38) that he has here, [Speaker 4] (53:38 - 53:39) Oh, there you are. [Speaker 7] (53:39 - 53:58) the draft scope of services are for water and sewer enterprise funds, the procurement, um chapter 30B procurement, and the revolving recreation fund. And the last what we heard on Fri Gino, we only we had one estimate in late on Friday, [Speaker 8] (53:58 - 53:58) Yep. [Speaker 7] (53:58 - 54:03) and then again Patrick was waiting on two more. [Speaker 8] (54:03 - 54:03) Two more. [Speaker 7] (54:04 - 54:05) So I don't know, did he get anything [Speaker 5] (54:05 - 54:05) He didn't [Speaker 7] (54:05 - 54:05) today? [Speaker 5] (54:05 - 54:07) get as of the end of their day, no. [Speaker 7] (54:07 - 54:08) Okay, so [Speaker 5] (54:08 - 54:10) So we reached out to seven firms. [Speaker 1] (54:10 - 54:10) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (54:10 - 54:10) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (54:10 - 54:15) Got a quote from one, two said they'll get back and I guess the other four weren't interested at this time. [Speaker 1] (54:15 - 54:16) And what was the quote? [Speaker 5] (54:17 - 54:18) Thirty thousand dollars. [Speaker 1] (54:18 - 54:19) Thirty thousand dollars. [Speaker 5] (54:19 - 54:19) Yep. [Speaker 9] (54:19 - 54:28) So what what precipitated that? So how did we decide what seven firms we were going to reach out to? What was that based on? [Speaker 9] (54:29 - 54:30) Who decided that? [Speaker 5] (54:30 - 54:30) Patrick did. [Speaker 9] (54:31 - 54:33) So Patrick just arbitrarily picked seven firms. [Speaker 5] (54:33 - 54:34) It's kind of a fit. [Speaker 9] (54:35 - 54:35) Okay. [Speaker 9] (54:36 - 54:58) And what precipitated the whole suggestion of an audit? This I I mean I don't know a lot about it, I don't know a lot about how it transpired or why we're doing it. If there is like I think we talked about this last time, is there been like a suggestion of impropriety? Is there like something that's like a red flag standing somewhere that we would [Speaker 9] (54:59 - 55:01) you know, want to allocate this much money. [Speaker 7] (55:02 - 55:02) Okay. [Speaker 9] (55:02 - 55:04) Like what precipitated that? [Speaker 9] (55:04 - 55:05) Let me [Speaker 10] (55:05 - 55:05) Just [Speaker 9] (55:05 - 55:05) ask. [Speaker 10] (55:05 - 55:14) a conversation with Mr. Perry way back when I think it was right after I was appointed in November like to answer the question. I'm not aware of any red flags. [Speaker 5] (55:16 - 55:24) Well, I g I mean I think I think Mr Perry talked with several of us. I I think I'm aware. Um I know one thing was the water and sewer enterprise [Speaker 4] (55:24 - 55:24) Right. [Speaker 5] (55:24 - 55:29) fund questions about whether or not we had accounted for things right or whatever, right. [Speaker 5] (55:29 - 55:34) Um I think my understanding a lot of that's been answered. Um [Speaker 5] (55:36 - 55:45) So I'll just say that I originally was more in favor of this, but given our other priorities here and how tight the budget is, [Speaker 5] (55:45 - 55:48) I'm feeling less and less like this is a priority, [Speaker 5] (55:49 - 55:50) especially [Speaker 5] (55:52 - 55:53) for $30,000. [Speaker 7] (55:53 - 55:59) Yeah, so this is this is this is um this is according to mr. [Speaker 7] (55:59 - 55:59) Perry. [Speaker 7] (55:59 - 56:03) This is a best practice a recommended [Speaker 7] (56:04 - 56:20) a recommended audit, especially when you're you're leaving one administration for another, administration them in place for as long as our administration was. It's not um that there's a suggestion of anything nefarious or whatever. [Speaker 7] (56:20 - 56:25) It's just a it's a best practice, especially um when you're looking at [Speaker 7] (56:26 - 56:37) the water and sewer funds, or you're looking at procurement, again these are just best practices. The thirty thousand dollar recommendation will be coming from free cash, not from the budget. [Speaker 7] (56:40 - 56:40) So [Speaker 5] (56:40 - 56:40) It still [Speaker 7] (56:40 - 56:40) thirty [Speaker 5] (56:40 - 56:40) saves [Speaker 7] (56:40 - 56:41) thousand dollars Oh, for [Speaker 5] (56:41 - 56:41) the same [Speaker 9] (56:41 - 56:41) right. [Speaker 7] (56:41 - 56:42) eight years. [Speaker 5] (56:42 - 56:43) thing, the same piggy bank, but yeah. [Speaker 7] (56:43 - 56:44) Yeah, I agree. [Speaker 11] (56:44 - 56:45) A pair of pants, different pocket. [Speaker 7] (56:45 - 56:45) I [Speaker 5] (56:45 - 56:45) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (56:45 - 56:46) agree. [Speaker 1] (56:46 - 56:46) Right. [Speaker 7] (56:46 - 56:46) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (56:46 - 56:51) Um when did rec become a part of this? 'Cause I just don't recall that in the original discussion. [Speaker 7] (56:53 - 57:01) Um, he had he had added rec in there, he had four and rec was one of them, but [Speaker 1] (57:01 - 57:01) And [Speaker 7] (57:01 - 57:05) you know the number four with the the uh assessments, we took that out because we [Speaker 1] (57:05 - 57:05) We [Speaker 7] (57:05 - 57:05) have [Speaker 1] (57:05 - 57:05) stay [Speaker 7] (57:05 - 57:06) that for [Speaker 1] (57:06 - 57:06) assessors, [Speaker 7] (57:06 - 57:06) free. [Speaker 1] (57:06 - 57:06) yeah, because [Speaker 7] (57:06 - 57:08) We can't get rec for free. [Speaker 1] (57:09 - 57:10) Okay. [Speaker 1] (57:11 - 57:12) And I'm sure [Speaker 7] (57:12 - 57:15) And that's a l that's a large that's a large sum. [Speaker 1] (57:16 - 57:17) The revolving funds. [Speaker 7] (57:17 - 57:18) Yeah, so that's [Speaker 7] (57:18 - 57:21) That's what I'm going to guess. It was such a large revolving fund. [Speaker 5] (57:23 - 57:24) And has Mr. [Speaker 5] (57:24 - 57:28) Perry like looked at each of these to some degree already? [Speaker 5] (57:30 - 57:31) You said he looked at a bunch [Speaker 9] (57:31 - 57:32) I [Speaker 5] (57:32 - 57:33) and narrowed it down or whatever. [Speaker 9] (57:33 - 57:38) like how did he come to this determination that he even knew that we would have issues with these three [Speaker 7] (57:38 - 58:05) specific items. Um I do know on procurement, procurement is a normal is a very vulnerable account, and I know that that's he told me that's a standard. Um recreation is a large account and water and sewer we have some questions. You know, when you look at your water and sewer there are questions on why your water and sewer is dropping, and whether or not you're following best practices. He also explained that a transitional audit is much deeper, they do more testing, it's not like a basic audit. [Speaker 9] (58:07 - 58:17) But this isn't really transition if the former TA has been gone for six months. I mean, I what do we we don't have a new one yet, so I don't know. I don't know. I guess [Speaker 7] (58:17 - 58:25) The books you wouldn't even start this until after you close your books uh at the end of June. [Speaker 5] (58:30 - 58:33) M my my sense is I I I'm not [Speaker 5] (58:33 - 58:44) I'm not supportive of this right now. I think we have, you know, we're chipping away at the budget and what areas the TAA has any degree of flexibility with consultants or whatever it is, [Speaker 5] (58:44 - 58:50) I would encourage us to continue to hone this down, [Speaker 5] (58:50 - 58:51) whether it's with Mr. [Speaker 5] (58:51 - 59:00) Perry giving free advice or whatever we can do to hone this down into what's most critical and then find those funds within our already limited budget. [Speaker 5] (59:02 - 59:10) Because, you know, I just I've got twenty other things I'd spend thirty thousand dollars on besides this. That's my opinion. [Speaker 9] (59:13 - 59:22) I think that if we if we do anything, we would probably do more like a real deep-dive forensic audit if we really wanted to [Speaker 9] (59:24 - 59:30) document the change of administration from you know a predecessor to the next, whoever the new T_A_ is. [Speaker 9] (59:31 - 59:34) Uh I don't even, I mean I don't know, I just [Speaker 1] (59:35 - 59:59) I I agree that I could find a million uses for thirty thousand dollars. And I just, I don't know what we're gonna get out of it. What are where are we going to is it gonna root you know reveal enough that it's gonna be worth thirty thousand dollars. I mean, what if I mean, auditors find things to audit, right. They always will come up with something, but is anything gonna be substantial enough to recoup that thirty thousand, right? I mean [Speaker 2] (59:59 - 1:00:11) Yeah, I think that's my inclination in these 10 seconds also given the other financial constraints that we have apparent to us now is what's the cost benefit analysis of doing the audit? [Speaker 2] (1:00:11 - 1:00:16) Is the hope that it uncovers something future that saves us? [Speaker 2] (1:00:17 - 1:00:18) $20,000 next [Speaker 1] (1:00:18 - 1:00:19) Good. [Speaker 2] (1:00:19 - 1:00:22) year, $20,000 a year after that we would just be perpetuating. [Speaker 1] (1:00:22 - 1:00:22) Right. [Speaker 2] (1:00:22 - 1:00:30) If that's the case then I could understand, I could maybe rationalize it. But I don't see that explained here that that's the intention. [Speaker 1] (1:00:32 - 1:00:40) And you said that there are issues with water and sewer the the fund previously were those issues then rectified corrected? [Speaker 4] (1:00:40 - 1:00:54) As I understand it, there were questions in that you spent some time with Mr Perry. Do I recall this correctly? And you know he kind of got some better understanding and it weren't really necessarily the issues maybe that he first thought. Is that [Speaker 2] (1:00:54 - 1:00:54) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (1:00:54 - 1:00:54) generally correct? [Speaker 2] (1:00:54 - 1:00:59) Yeah, Gino and I had met with Mr Perry and talked over issues after. [Speaker 5] (1:01:00 - 1:01:05) in between um annual town meeting last May and uh this December. [Speaker 4] (1:01:05 - 1:01:06) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:01:07 - 1:01:11) And what was the result? Was there something found at that point that [Speaker 4] (1:01:12 - 1:01:12) Nope. [Speaker 1] (1:01:12 - 1:01:12) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:01:12 - 1:01:20) Now we had a timing issue at the end of last fiscal year where we had a debt project that the treasurer hadn't borrowed for. [Speaker 5] (1:01:21 - 1:01:27) So it was cleared up at our next issuance, but it was a timing issue and that's what resulted in the negative retained earnings that you see. [Speaker 1] (1:01:27 - 1:01:29) Okay. So that was the issue that [Speaker 4] (1:01:29 - 1:01:30) That's what I understood. [Speaker 1] (1:01:30 - 1:01:31) Okay, so [Speaker 6] (1:01:31 - 1:01:35) Yeah, it was a full negative, like we were in the negatives at the end of December. [Speaker 5] (1:01:35 - 1:01:39) Yeah, we're certified negative fifteen thousand that will be rectified with. [Speaker 1] (1:01:39 - 1:01:39) that's [Speaker 1] (1:01:39 - 1:01:40) That's been rectified, [Speaker 5] (1:01:40 - 1:01:40) Yes. [Speaker 1] (1:01:40 - 1:01:42) and you know how to proceed. I will [Speaker 5] (1:01:42 - 1:01:42) Yes. [Speaker 1] (1:01:42 - 1:01:45) assume you, you know, know how to proceed going forward for it. Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:01:45 - 1:01:49) And what safeguards have we put in place to prevent that from happening going forward? [Speaker 2] (1:01:49 - 1:01:50) I'm sure we have some now, right? [Speaker 5] (1:01:50 - 1:02:00) Yeah, Patrick and I have worked together to put more safeguards in place to work around that. And we've also worked with Gino to make sure that we have a better understanding of the timing of when all the work is going to happen. [Speaker 2] (1:02:00 - 1:02:01) Okay, great. [Speaker 1] (1:02:01 - 1:02:04) So for the second piece, for the thirty B_ are you an M_C_P_P_O_ [Speaker 5] (1:02:05 - 1:02:05) I am. [Speaker 1] (1:02:05 - 1:02:05) You are. [Speaker 1] (1:02:06 - 1:02:06) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:02:06 - 1:02:07) I am not [Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:07) You're [Speaker 5] (1:02:07 - 1:02:07) our [Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:08) the only one on staff? [Speaker 4] (1:02:08 - 1:02:08) No. [Speaker 5] (1:02:08 - 1:02:10) No, we actually have a lot. [Speaker 5] (1:02:10 - 1:02:11) So Natalie [Speaker 4] (1:02:11 - 1:02:12) Natalie. [Speaker 5] (1:02:12 - 1:02:12) Natalie [Speaker 1] (1:02:12 - 1:02:12) Natalie [Speaker 5] (1:02:12 - 1:02:12) Splonstrum [Speaker 1] (1:02:12 - 1:02:13) is as well? [Speaker 5] (1:02:13 - 1:02:14) is certified. [Speaker 5] (1:02:14 - 1:02:17) She is our procurement officer on bio with the OIG's office. [Speaker 1] (1:02:17 - 1:02:17) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:02:17 - 1:02:19) But I'm certified, [Speaker 5] (1:02:19 - 1:02:20) Max Casper certified, [Speaker 1] (1:02:20 - 1:02:21) Yes. Karen. [Speaker 5] (1:02:21 - 1:02:22) Patrick's certified, [Speaker 5] (1:02:23 - 1:02:23) Trang is certified. [Speaker 4] (1:02:24 - 1:02:25) I was certified. [Speaker 5] (1:02:25 - 1:02:26) Gino used to be certified, [Speaker 5] (1:02:26 - 1:02:27) still has all the knowledge. [Speaker 4] (1:02:28 - 1:02:29) I just didn't continue [Speaker 5] (1:02:29 - 1:02:29) And [Speaker 4] (1:02:29 - 1:02:30) taking the courses. [Speaker 5] (1:02:30 - 1:02:32) our town clerk is actually completing his certification. [Speaker 5] (1:02:32 - 1:02:33) Issue as well. [Speaker 1] (1:02:33 - 1:02:58) So that's more than five people certified as MCPPOs which are, you know, required for thirty B_ right. So I don't understand why that would even I mean, with that many people in place I would have to think that you know how to send out bids. I don't kn I I kind of I feel the same way as Doug. I don't see I don't even I I mean seeing rec revolving on here, I know it's a big fund, but this is that's news to me. I mean I didn't know that [Speaker 1] (1:02:59 - 1:03:04) That was the purpose of this, or that was even a consideration. And I'm the rec liaison. So [Speaker 1] (1:03:07 - 1:03:08) I'd have to agree with Doug. [Speaker 2] (1:03:10 - 1:03:12) Um what did Fincom vote for this one? [Speaker 5] (1:03:12 - 1:03:14) They didn't because they didn't have the [Speaker 2] (1:03:14 - 1:03:14) Oh, [Speaker 6] (1:03:14 - 1:03:14) We [Speaker 2] (1:03:14 - 1:03:14) right. [Speaker 6] (1:03:14 - 1:03:14) didn't read [Speaker 5] (1:03:14 - 1:03:14) meeting [Speaker 6] (1:03:14 - 1:03:14) it Monday. [Speaker 5] (1:03:14 - 1:03:15) on. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:03:15 - 1:03:17) 'Cause we were tak wait, 'cause say again? [Speaker 1] (1:03:18 - 1:03:18) We didn't [Speaker 5] (1:03:18 - 1:03:20) They had no scope and no dollar amount, so [Speaker 2] (1:03:20 - 1:03:21) Oh, that's right. [Speaker 5] (1:03:21 - 1:03:21) there's [Speaker 2] (1:03:21 - 1:03:21) I'm sorry. [Speaker 5] (1:03:21 - 1:03:21) no vote. [Speaker 2] (1:03:21 - 1:03:24) Yep, I just listened to that. Um okay. [Speaker 2] (1:03:26 - 1:03:33) All right, so I guess we could go one of two ways. We could make a recommendation before FinCom. [Speaker 2] (1:03:35 - 1:03:41) Traditionally we, because that has a financial ramification, we would wait for their recommendation before we make it, but if we're all, [Speaker 2] (1:03:41 - 1:03:47) we don't have to posture if we all have a feeling about it regardless of what they say, we can make a recommendation. [Speaker 5] (1:03:47 - 1:03:51) Where it's free cash, your motion would have to include the dollar amount as well. [Speaker 6] (1:03:55 - 1:03:58) So your question is, do we wait or do it now? [Speaker 5] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58) That's [Speaker 7] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58) Let's [Speaker 5] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58) right. [Speaker 7] (1:03:58 - 1:03:59) borrow now. [Speaker 5] (1:03:59 - 1:04:00) That's [Speaker 5] (1:04:00 - 1:04:00) That's [Speaker 7] (1:04:00 - 1:04:02) And the dollar amounts are relevant, right? [Speaker 7] (1:04:02 - 1:04:03) If Yeah, we if [Speaker 4] (1:04:03 - 1:04:03) I mean, you if could you get [Speaker 7] (1:04:03 - 1:04:03) can [Speaker 4] (1:04:03 - 1:04:07) all of this for five thousand, then it'd be might maybe a different story, but, you know. [Speaker 6] (1:04:11 - 1:04:20) My my con so m my concern is because we are moving from one administration to another and this is a best practice. [Speaker 6] (1:04:20 - 1:04:40) Um, Mr. Perry has more experience in this field than anyone in our municipal government, including everyone at this table. I I do I personally think that this is a good investment for us to make sure everything's going well and get recommendations on how to improve. [Speaker 6] (1:04:41 - 1:04:43) So that's that's where I'm coming from. [Speaker 4] (1:04:44 - 1:05:02) And I agree with you. I mean when this was first brought up by him, by best practice, you know, there's no doubt about all that. It's just that the circumstances, you know, the the priorities now kind of for me force me to be much more critical of like whether or not this is really, really needed. [Speaker 4] (1:05:02 - 1:05:04) I mean we could always, [Speaker 4] (1:05:04 - 1:05:09) if it's really, really needed and we figure out something down the road, one of these areas, [Speaker 4] (1:05:09 - 1:05:10) two of these areas. [Speaker 4] (1:05:12 - 1:05:17) There are places even in the what we've done to the budget where you could go if it was really a priority. [Speaker 6] (1:05:17 - 1:05:32) But one that one of the questions would be is if we're waiting down the road and there is something that could be improved upon are we losing out on on funding because of that and [Speaker 6] (1:05:33 - 1:05:38) if there's anything in here that is the biggest concern that would be the water and sewer. [Speaker 7] (1:05:41 - 1:05:41) And look, [Speaker 7] (1:05:42 - 1:05:47) I mean, I had questions about the water and sewer as well. I think we all did. We all sat down. We all asked questions. [Speaker 7] (1:05:48 - 1:05:50) I met with Gino. [Speaker 7] (1:05:50 - 1:05:51) I met with Amy Saro. [Speaker 7] (1:05:51 - 1:05:54) I think those questions have been answered. [Speaker 7] (1:05:55 - 1:06:03) I would not recommend favorable action at this juncture. I do think that, you know, with a new town administrator coming in, [Speaker 7] (1:06:04 - 1:06:07) we're going to have another bite at the apple during our fall town meeting. [Speaker 7] (1:06:08 - 1:06:36) Uh there's been nothing, there's been nothing within any of our previous audits that have indicated any uh types of issues. We have five individuals who can handle procurement. Um I mean I know there was uh i I just I just can't justify spending thirty thousand dollars uh at this at this juncture. If something does arise to the point we can, you know, we have the language, we can put it in a in an article. [Speaker 7] (1:06:36 - 1:06:43) Uh for the for our fal fall town meeting, but for our annual town meeting I I would not recommend approval and I would motion that we [Speaker 7] (1:06:43 - 1:06:45) not recommend approval on [Speaker 7] (1:06:46 - 1:06:47) uh on article seven. [Speaker 4] (1:06:47 - 1:06:48) I have a second. [Speaker 6] (1:06:49 - 1:06:53) Are you are you asking for to should we indefinitely postpone it or are you just are [Speaker 7] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53) No, [Speaker 6] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53) we saying [Speaker 7] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53) I'm just saying [Speaker 6] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53) no? [Speaker 7] (1:06:53 - 1:06:55) I I'm saying no. [Speaker 6] (1:06:55 - 1:06:55) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:06:56 - 1:06:57) Um, David, if it's not a motion. [Speaker 4] (1:06:58 - 1:06:58) That was a motion. [Speaker 2] (1:06:58 - 1:06:59) And Doug, I heard a second. [Speaker 4] (1:06:59 - 1:07:00) That was a second. [Speaker 2] (1:07:00 - 1:07:05) Okay, so uh we'll consider discussion for a vote. Does there a motion [Speaker 1] (1:07:05 - 1:07:07) So I a couple of things I I just [Speaker 6] (1:07:07 - 1:07:10) Do we have an annual audit? Do you does your office have an annual audit? [Speaker 2] (1:07:10 - 1:07:11) Yes. [Speaker 6] (1:07:11 - 1:07:16) Okay. So is any thing in here covered in that annual audit that you do? [Speaker 5] (1:07:17 - 1:07:18) Yes, they look at [Speaker 1] (1:07:18 - 1:07:19) Are we still waiting for results on [Speaker 5] (1:07:19 - 1:07:20) we [Speaker 1] (1:07:20 - 1:07:20) TAKO? [Speaker 5] (1:07:20 - 1:07:23) are so we are unfortunately in the [Speaker 5] (1:07:24 - 1:07:28) In this whole cohort of people who have Howard and Sullivan, [Speaker 5] (1:07:29 - 1:07:34) Markham, who acquired CBIZ, and all of our audits are delayed. [Speaker 1] (1:07:36 - 1:07:44) Historically well first of all I don't know you might not know this answer but with the last change of administrator did we have this type of audit? [Speaker 5] (1:07:45 - 1:07:45) I [Speaker 1] (1:07:45 - 1:07:45) Do you know that? [Speaker 5] (1:07:45 - 1:07:46) have all the audits [Speaker 1] (1:07:46 - 1:07:47) Does anybody know that? [Speaker 5] (1:07:47 - 1:07:48) in no, I have all [Speaker 6] (1:07:48 - 1:07:48) We [Speaker 5] (1:07:48 - 1:07:48) the audits [Speaker 6] (1:07:48 - 1:07:49) didn't [Speaker 5] (1:07:49 - 1:07:50) in my office and there wasn't one. [Speaker 6] (1:07:50 - 1:07:50) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:07:50 - 1:07:53) All right, so this has never happened historically, a change of leadership at [Speaker 5] (1:07:53 - 1:07:53) Not [Speaker 1] (1:07:53 - 1:07:53) all. [Speaker 5] (1:07:53 - 1:07:54) at Swampscott, no. [Speaker 1] (1:07:54 - 1:07:54) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:07:54 - 1:08:01) And secondly, do you know if any of these items covered here are normally part of the audit that your office goes through? [Speaker 5] (1:08:01 - 1:08:04) Yes, but you know, like any Not audit, [Speaker 1] (1:08:04 - 1:08:04) not as [Speaker 5] (1:08:04 - 1:08:04) same applies. [Speaker 1] (1:08:04 - 1:08:05) deep a dive, [Speaker 5] (1:08:05 - 1:08:05) Right, [Speaker 1] (1:08:05 - 1:08:05) but [Speaker 2] (1:08:05 - 1:08:06) not the same [Speaker 1] (1:08:06 - 1:08:06) on [Speaker 2] (1:08:06 - 1:08:06) depth, [Speaker 1] (1:08:06 - 1:08:06) the surface. [Speaker 2] (1:08:06 - 1:08:08) not the same depth but the scope [Speaker 1] (1:08:08 - 1:08:09) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09) is included. [Speaker 1] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09) Because I [Speaker 2] (1:08:09 - 1:08:10) All [Speaker 1] (1:08:10 - 1:08:10) remember [Speaker 2] (1:08:10 - 1:08:12) three of those items included in the annual audit. [Speaker 2] (1:08:12 - 1:08:12) audit. [Speaker 5] (1:08:12 - 1:08:19) Yeah, so it audits all of our funds, so it would get the revolving fund and enterprise funds and it gets procurement because they audit our appropriations. [Speaker 6] (1:08:19 - 1:08:25) Okay. So I remember I had questions about rec revolving that I've asked and I think I asked you, [Speaker 5] (1:08:25 - 1:08:25) Yes. [Speaker 6] (1:08:25 - 1:08:37) specifically, um to work with Danielle and in how we, in the accounting of certain events and I had certainly questions surrounding that. Have you had any experience with that? Have you had a meeting with her? You have. [Speaker 5] (1:08:37 - 1:08:37) Yep. [Speaker 6] (1:08:37 - 1:08:38) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:08:38 - 1:08:39) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:08:40 - 1:08:41) Those are my questions. [Speaker 2] (1:08:42 - 1:08:47) Okay, so we have a motion on the floor, um [Speaker 2] (1:08:48 - 1:08:56) if there are no further comments, we'll take a vote to vote not to support rather than indefinitely postpone this article. [Speaker 4] (1:08:57 - 1:08:57) Recommend unfavourable [Speaker 2] (1:08:57 - 1:08:58) Recom recommend [Speaker 4] (1:08:58 - 1:08:58) action. [Speaker 2] (1:08:58 - 1:09:02) unfavourable action. Uh not recommend favourable action. How about that. [Speaker 2] (1:09:03 - 1:09:12) Um so we have a motion so we can vote. All in favor to not recommend favorable action. [Speaker 6] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13) Aye. [Speaker 4] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13) Aye. [Speaker 1] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13) Aye. [Speaker 4] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13) Aye. [Speaker 7] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13) Aye. [Speaker 2] (1:09:13 - 1:09:14) Aye. Opposed? [Speaker 6] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15) No. [Speaker 2] (1:09:15 - 1:09:21) So four, one, and the select board will [Speaker 2] (1:09:22 - 1:09:24) recommend not recommend [Speaker 6] (1:09:24 - 1:09:24) Not [Speaker 2] (1:09:24 - 1:09:24) favorable [Speaker 6] (1:09:24 - 1:09:24) recommend. [Speaker 2] (1:09:24 - 1:09:25) action. [Speaker 2] (1:09:25 - 1:09:28) Double negatives. Okay. Um [Speaker 1] (1:09:31 - 1:09:35) Moving on to the final one, which is still twenty six budget. [Speaker 3] (1:09:35 - 1:09:39) Radical [Speaker 1] (1:09:39 - 1:09:41) Radical four. [Speaker 2] (1:09:42 - 1:09:43) Which is this one? [Speaker 1] (1:09:50 - 1:09:52) Okay, Amy, if you could just [Speaker 1] (1:09:52 - 1:10:00) To summarize what occurred Monday night such that it affects this budget and FinCom's recommendation for the warrant budget, that would be great. [Speaker 4] (1:10:01 - 1:10:04) Yes, so as you may recall, [Speaker 4] (1:10:04 - 1:10:10) at the March 5th Town Administrator's recommended budget, we had just gotten the new GIC rates. [Speaker 4] (1:10:10 - 1:10:16) So part of my presentation had that February 27th update with the rates that were voted. [Speaker 4] (1:10:17 - 1:10:21) So originally GIC had told us it was going to be 10.5%. [Speaker 4] (1:10:21 - 1:10:49) aggregate it ended up being ten and a half to seventeen point one with absolutely none of our employees on the ten and a half percent plan it was going to add an extra hundred and forty five thousand to our projection due to the timing the town administrator and I did not recommend making any adjustment to that at that time we wanted to wait to see what happened with open enrollment and we were hopeful that [Speaker 4] (1:10:50 - 1:11:12) you know, people would change plans. Um so open enrollment ended on May 1st and I sent the memo to the Finance Committee and Select Board on May 6th with the results of that which resulted in an additional thirty thousand of employer costs for all of the changes in open enrollment which brought us to the 176 that Finance Committee was talking about at their meeting. [Speaker 4] (1:11:13 - 1:11:16) Um it was the decision of Finance Committee to [Speaker 4] (1:11:17 - 1:11:26) amend the budget at that time. As you recall in the memo I gave a couple different recommendations of how to handle that. [Speaker 4] (1:11:26 - 1:11:34) They felt that given the large dollar amount they wanted to amend the budget before town meeting to cover that amount. [Speaker 4] (1:11:35 - 1:11:43) There was discussion on whether that would be funded through free cash but because of the structural costs they felt it was best to handle it within the operating budget. [Speaker 4] (1:11:45 - 1:11:49) The motion was made to share the cost with the employer share, [Speaker 4] (1:11:49 - 1:11:57) with 75% going to the school and 25% going to the town. [Speaker 4] (1:11:57 - 1:12:04) So they made the motion to reduce $45,000 from the town operating budget and $130,000 from the school's appropriation. [Speaker 1] (1:12:07 - 1:12:09) But they did they specified which line [Speaker 4] (1:12:09 - 1:12:10) $15,000, [Speaker 1] (1:12:10 - 1:12:10) items were [Speaker 4] (1:12:10 - 1:12:11) yes, [Speaker 1] (1:12:11 - 1:12:11) going to [Speaker 4] (1:12:11 - 1:12:11) $15 [Speaker 1] (1:12:11 - 1:12:11) come with it [Speaker 4] (1:12:11 - 1:12:13) ,000 from their own finance committee reserve. [Speaker 4] (1:12:14 - 1:12:35) thirty thousand from snow and ice which would bring it to where we are anticipating this year snow and ice to end up so as part of the year-end appropriation trans transfers that will be reducing so we will be able to legally deficit next year if we have a bad winter and then the 130 would come from the school [Speaker 1] (1:12:36 - 1:12:36) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:12:37 - 1:12:48) So can you just explain that for the board and for the members of the public? Because in the event we may have spent more money on snow and ice removal this year than we have in past years. [Speaker 5] (1:12:48 - 1:12:51) So just explain how that works. [Speaker 4] (1:12:51 - 1:12:52) So in Massachusetts, [Speaker 4] (1:12:52 - 1:12:58) Mass General allows a legal deficit only of your snow and ice because it's New England. [Speaker 4] (1:12:58 - 1:13:02) The caveat is your appropriation has to be [Speaker 4] (1:13:03 - 1:13:07) greater than or equal to the prior year and [Speaker 1] (1:13:07 - 1:13:07) Prior year [Speaker 4] (1:13:07 - 1:13:07) how [Speaker 1] (1:13:07 - 1:13:09) actual or the prior year appropriated? [Speaker 4] (1:13:09 - 1:13:11) the prior year appropriation. [Speaker 1] (1:13:11 - 1:13:11) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:13:11 - 1:13:19) So as long as you are budgeting the same amount as the prior year you can legally deficit if we have another you know 2015. [Speaker 4] (1:13:22 - 1:13:24) That is the big caveat. [Speaker 4] (1:13:24 - 1:13:36) I have spoken with DOR about this in previous years. I believe it was FY23 we were getting close to going over. We ended up over 9,000, so we were able to handle it in the year-end appropriation transfer. [Speaker 4] (1:13:37 - 1:13:41) So it doesn't matter when that budget is set, [Speaker 4] (1:13:41 - 1:13:44) so it can be amended at the end-of-year transfer, [Speaker 4] (1:13:44 - 1:13:45) but as long as it matches, [Speaker 4] (1:13:45 - 1:13:47) you can legally deficit it. [Speaker 4] (1:13:47 - 1:13:54) Which does mean you raise it on the next year's taxes. So I don't I don't want to have any disillusions of where that money comes from. [Speaker 1] (1:13:58 - 1:13:58) Okay. [Speaker 6] (1:13:59 - 1:14:01) Okay so my first question, Amy, for you. [Speaker 4] (1:14:01 - 1:14:02) I'll see you here. [Speaker 6] (1:14:02 - 1:14:16) So the the way finance committee broke it down was seventy five percent attributed to school, twenty five percent attributed to town. Is that same breakdown attributed to revenue that either side might bring in? [Speaker 6] (1:14:17 - 1:14:19) In other words, is it split ever? [Speaker 4] (1:14:19 - 1:14:19) No, [Speaker 6] (1:14:19 - 1:14:33) We we're you know let's say for example I remember um hearing in a presentation that there was a difference in MSB A_ money and we were getting more money back than we anticipated. Was that extra revenue allocated the same way? [Speaker 4] (1:14:33 - 1:14:42) No, we had worked a couple years ago, um on trying to come up with a budget methodology. It wasn't supported at that time um [Speaker 4] (1:14:43 - 1:14:44) by a number of key stakeholders, [Speaker 4] (1:14:45 - 1:14:49) um but the previous school finance director and I worked a lot [Speaker 6] (1:14:49 - 1:14:50) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (1:14:50 - 1:14:57) on that, um and it was something that's been discussed with finance committee that we may bring that back to the table for the upcoming year. Um [Speaker 6] (1:14:57 - 1:15:04) Right, 'cause it makes sense if we're charging for X because of their size of their budget and how much of the town budget it takes. [Speaker 6] (1:15:05 - 1:15:12) that we would apply the same principle to revenue that they that's something that school-related would bring in, right? That's how my mind works. So [Speaker 4] (1:15:12 - 1:15:12) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:15:12 - 1:15:15) you know to me that's a point that just [Speaker 7] (1:15:15 - 1:15:18) Yeah, well along with my Danielle, I Is it [Speaker 7] (1:15:18 - 1:15:23) But did you do it based on total expense or about health insurance? [Speaker 4] (1:15:23 - 1:15:28) It's by population of employees who take our, are on our health insurance benefits. [Speaker 7] (1:15:29 - 1:15:31) Okay, so you're kind of sticking within that category, [Speaker 4] (1:15:31 - 1:15:32) Yes. [Speaker 7] (1:15:32 - 1:15:39) 75% of our health insurance costs are for the schools, and so that, that's why you did that. That's why Finance Committee did that. [Speaker 7] (1:15:39 - 1:15:39) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:15:39 - 1:15:40) What is [Speaker 1] (1:15:40 - 1:15:43) Is that a true number though, or is that just a best guess estimate? [Speaker 4] (1:15:43 - 1:15:44) That's true. [Speaker 1] (1:15:44 - 1:15:47) So because originally I think in FINCOM it started at seventy [Speaker 6] (1:15:47 - 1:15:47) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:15:47 - 1:15:50) and then it ended up at seventy five. I don't s I just wondered [Speaker 4] (1:15:50 - 1:15:50) Yeah. And then the [Speaker 1] (1:15:50 - 1:15:50) if that is [Speaker 4] (1:15:50 - 1:15:54) the actual they went with rounder numbers so it didn't come out to a clean percentage anyway. [Speaker 1] (1:15:55 - 1:15:55) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:16:03 - 1:16:04) Does anybody have a additional? [Speaker 4] (1:16:05 - 1:16:08) questions about that particular I do have some side good news. [Speaker 6] (1:16:08 - 1:16:15) Yes, so I had a question about when we raised fees, I think you were going to get back to us and tell us, [Speaker 4] (1:16:15 - 1:16:16) It still might thunder there. [Speaker 6] (1:16:16 - 1:16:17) I'm sorry. [Speaker 4] (1:16:19 - 1:16:20) I have good news. [Speaker 4] (1:16:21 - 1:16:31) So when the select board voted the recommended fee increases last week, that the result of that increases the... [Speaker 4] (1:16:31 - 1:16:35) local receipts for fees by $26,420. [Speaker 4] (1:16:36 - 1:16:56) I did go back after some feedback from board member Grishman on some of our other local receipt items given some of the restaurant changes in town and other items so I did meet with Patrick on this just to make sure that you know [Speaker 4] (1:16:56 - 1:17:09) Both of parts of the finance team felt comfortable with us. So at this time, we are estimating an increase of $10,000 in our meals excise due to the change in restaurants at Venins. [Speaker 4] (1:17:10 - 1:17:20) An increase of $18,280, I have the subtotal for you if you guys don't want to jot all that, $18,280 to the rooms excise. [Speaker 4] (1:17:21 - 1:17:24) We were very conservative on our estimate after the... [Speaker 4] (1:17:25 - 1:17:41) Local option excise was increased and we've as you saw at my last quarterly presentation, we've seen a much larger increase in this. We feel comfortable increasing that line um and a twenty thousand increase in the cannabis excise tax. We were [Speaker 6] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41) My goodness. [Speaker 4] (1:17:41 - 1:17:44) concerned and very delayed on this. [Speaker 4] (1:17:44 - 1:18:01) intentionally waiting to see if the two cannabis shops were going to cannibalize each other. That hasn't been the case and this has become a steady stream. So the result of all of those an additional $74,700 to our local receipts. [Speaker 1] (1:18:02 - 1:18:04) Seventy seventy four thousand seven [Speaker 4] (1:18:04 - 1:18:04) hundred. [Speaker 1] (1:18:04 - 1:18:05) hundred [Speaker 5] (1:18:06 - 1:18:06) And this. [Speaker 1] (1:18:06 - 1:18:07) Administrative [Speaker 4] (1:18:07 - 1:18:07) I d I do [Speaker 1] (1:18:07 - 1:18:08) yep [Speaker 4] (1:18:08 - 1:18:10) want to caveat that all of these are estimates. [Speaker 6] (1:18:10 - 1:18:11) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:18:11 - 1:18:14) sure but they're your best guess estimate Yes. so [Speaker 6] (1:18:14 - 1:18:14) That's what all of [Speaker 4] (1:18:14 - 1:18:14) And [Speaker 6] (1:18:14 - 1:18:14) these we are. [Speaker 4] (1:18:14 - 1:18:19) still feel that they are comfortably conservative that we are not overestimating any of these. [Speaker 1] (1:18:19 - 1:18:19) Great. [Speaker 5] (1:18:19 - 1:18:24) So so just on the just on the rooms excise tax because I'm looking at the. [Speaker 5] (1:18:25 - 1:18:51) I'm looking at when we started tracking this back in in 2020. Uh we went from seventeen in fiscal year twenty twenty and fiscal year twenty four actual numbers was seventy four thousand one thirty three. Um as many of you may recall, I certainly do, uh sp the spring twenty twenty four town meeting, special town meeting, uh we actually had article nine which increased uh the uh the room's excise tax from four percent [Speaker 5] (1:18:51 - 1:18:53) to six percent. [Speaker 5] (1:18:54 - 1:19:09) So the last year with the four percent was seventy four thousand one thirty three in fiscal year twenty four. So all else equal and just essentially leveling this out with a fifty percent increase. [Speaker 5] (1:19:11 - 1:19:17) to that $74,133 number, I I'm coming out to to a hundred and eleven thousand dollars. [Speaker 5] (1:19:17 - 1:19:24) So there's even there there would even be potentially greater uh revenue that would be generated from the room excise tax. [Speaker 2] (1:19:32 - 1:19:38) So would that be take effect for all of F_Y_ twenty five that we're in? That would be the actual data, right? I don't [Speaker 1] (1:19:38 - 1:19:47) That's yeah, well that's well so year to date right now, it says year to date as well as of twelve thirty one twenty four we had collected sixty three thousand six eighty six. [Speaker 4] (1:19:47 - 1:19:47) Hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:19:48 - 1:19:49) That's your point, right? [Speaker 1] (1:19:49 - 1:19:49) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:19:49 - 1:19:51) So with six months left you're [Speaker 1] (1:19:51 - 1:19:58) So, no no no no. I'm I'm I'm not no, 'cause right now this this quarter, the last quarter would have you know, the January to March would have been pretty [Speaker 5] (1:19:58 - 1:19:58) damp Mm-hmm, [Speaker 1] (1:19:58 - 1:19:58) because [Speaker 5] (1:19:58 - 1:19:58) mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:19:58 - 1:20:00) not not much is happening, [Speaker 2] (1:20:00 - 1:20:00) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:20:00 - 1:20:01) right. You know, I'm [Speaker 5] (1:20:01 - 1:20:02) So you're [Speaker 1] (1:20:02 - 1:20:02) looking [Speaker 5] (1:20:02 - 1:20:02) almost I'm through [Speaker 1] (1:20:02 - 1:20:03) looking at the actual using [Speaker 5] (1:20:03 - 1:20:04) okay. [Speaker 1] (1:20:04 - 1:20:04) the four percent [Speaker 5] (1:20:04 - 1:20:05) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:20:05 - 1:20:10) and then I'm just multip I'm multiplying the actual, the seventy four one thirty three by one and a half. [Speaker 5] (1:20:11 - 1:20:11) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:20:12 - 1:20:19) And that gets me to a number. I mean, we can we can be more conservative and say, all right, one hundred or one oh five. That way it gives us some some buffer. [Speaker 5] (1:20:19 - 1:20:20) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:20:20 - 1:20:39) Uh but that generates some additional revenue of close to forty thousand dollars of which I I think I think we should we should look at that understanding this is solely a uh you know, an et at r a revenue estimate but um I don't think we have fewer air B and B's today than we did in fiscal year twenty. [Speaker 5] (1:20:39 - 1:20:39) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:20:40 - 1:20:50) I I would say anything above the eighty five thousand estimate for that at this time I I don't feel is conservative of an estimate [Speaker 5] (1:20:50 - 1:20:51) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:20:51 - 1:20:56) and my concern would be if we estimate higher that we get to tax rate time and [Speaker 6] (1:20:56 - 1:21:09) either that line or another local receipt line isn't hitting target and I don't want to mislead any of the taxpayers in thinking that this won't come from the levy because that's how we would have to balance it in the fall. [Speaker 5] (1:21:09 - 1:21:10) That's fair. [Speaker 5] (1:21:10 - 1:21:11) That makes sense. [Speaker 2] (1:21:11 - 1:21:13) But that's rooms. [Speaker 6] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13) Well it's just math. [Speaker 2] (1:21:13 - 1:21:15) That's all rooms tax? Is [Speaker 6] (1:21:15 - 1:21:15) I [Speaker 1] (1:21:15 - 1:21:16) this This [Speaker 6] (1:21:16 - 1:21:16) mean [Speaker 1] (1:21:16 - 1:21:17) is Airbnb and VRBO. [Speaker 2] (1:21:18 - 1:21:20) So, so let me just uh [Speaker 2] (1:21:21 - 1:21:24) I don't know, I guess I don't quite understand why you're being that [Speaker 5] (1:21:25 - 1:21:25) Conservative. [Speaker 2] (1:21:25 - 1:21:26) Conservative. [Speaker 5] (1:21:26 - 1:21:27) Hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:21:27 - 1:21:30) Because you would need to have the exact same level of usage. [Speaker 2] (1:21:30 - 1:21:33) I mean we got 60,000 actual in [Speaker 6] (1:21:33 - 1:21:34) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:21:34 - 1:21:35) the first six months. [Speaker 6] (1:21:35 - 1:21:40) Yes, but the first six months of this fiscal year were already inclusive of the increase. [Speaker 2] (1:21:41 - 1:21:41) That's what I mean. [Speaker 6] (1:21:41 - 1:21:42) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:21:42 - 1:21:42) Right. [Speaker 2] (1:21:42 - 1:21:44) So you're running at a run rate of 120. [Speaker 2] (1:21:45 - 1:21:49) Okay, maybe you're going to have, maybe you're going to have less January through March that you're saying, [Speaker 5] (1:21:49 - 1:21:49) Right. [Speaker 2] (1:21:49 - 1:21:50) right? [Speaker 6] (1:21:50 - 1:21:50) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:21:50 - 1:21:51) I get that. [Speaker 7] (1:21:55 - 1:21:59) Well you could look at that data point in years past and say okay where [Speaker 2] (1:21:59 - 1:21:59) Right. [Speaker 5] (1:21:59 - 1:21:59) You [Speaker 7] (1:21:59 - 1:21:59) do we [Speaker 2] (1:21:59 - 1:21:59) Right. [Speaker 5] (1:21:59 - 1:21:59) could say historically, [Speaker 7] (1:21:59 - 1:22:00) end for the last [Speaker 1] (1:22:00 - 1:22:00) Yes, but [Speaker 7] (1:22:00 - 1:22:00) mid [Speaker 5] (1:22:00 - 1:22:00) that, [Speaker 2] (1:22:00 - 1:22:00) Right. [Speaker 7] (1:22:00 - 1:22:03) where do we have mid-year that we end [Speaker 5] (1:22:03 - 1:22:03) yeah. [Speaker 7] (1:22:03 - 1:22:03) and [Speaker 2] (1:22:03 - 1:22:03) Right. [Speaker 7] (1:22:03 - 1:22:05) and sort of see what the differential is. [Speaker 1] (1:22:05 - 1:22:09) But literally we have the we have the actual from from fiscal year 24. [Speaker 5] (1:22:09 - 1:22:09) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:22:09 - 1:22:10) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:22:10 - 1:22:15) It's 74 and we have our we have as of the end of 12 at 1231 we're at 63.6. [Speaker 2] (1:22:15 - 1:22:17) And the rate went up by 50 percent. [Speaker 1] (1:22:17 - 1:22:17) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:22:17 - 1:22:18) So I mean like why would it be [Speaker 5] (1:22:19 - 1:22:20) Why would we assume, you know? [Speaker 7] (1:22:20 - 1:22:21) Well the rate went up by [Speaker 1] (1:22:22 - 1:22:23) It went from four [Speaker 6] (1:22:23 - 1:22:23) Four [Speaker 1] (1:22:23 - 1:22:23) to six. [Speaker 6] (1:22:23 - 1:22:24) to six percent. [Speaker 7] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25) Four to six. [Speaker 1] (1:22:25 - 1:22:25) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (1:22:25 - 1:22:27) So it's not, it didn't go up by fifty percent. [Speaker 7] (1:22:29 - 1:22:30) Four to six, [Speaker 2] (1:22:30 - 1:22:30) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (1:22:30 - 1:22:31) only two percent. [Speaker 6] (1:22:31 - 1:22:31) Correct. [Speaker 1] (1:22:31 - 1:22:31) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:22:31 - 1:22:31) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:22:31 - 1:22:34) Two percent compared to four is a fifty percent increase. [Speaker 7] (1:22:34 - 1:22:34) Fifty percent, [Speaker 1] (1:22:34 - 1:22:34) Yep. [Speaker 7] (1:22:34 - 1:22:35) okay, fine. [Speaker 1] (1:22:35 - 1:22:35) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:22:35 - 1:22:35) Yep. [Speaker 8] (1:22:36 - 1:22:37) You have to go by 50 plus [Speaker 7] (1:22:37 - 1:22:37) Yes, correct. [Speaker 8] (1:22:37 - 1:22:39) 50% increase, yes. [Speaker 7] (1:22:39 - 1:22:39) This is not a fifty [Speaker 1] (1:22:39 - 1:22:39) Fifty [Speaker 7] (1:22:39 - 1:22:39) percent, [Speaker 1] (1:22:39 - 1:22:40) % increase. [Speaker 7] (1:22:40 - 1:22:43) that's what I need to say. Numbers, so my attorneys don't do math. [Speaker 6] (1:22:43 - 1:23:01) Yeah, so we had seventy four thousand in the entirety of F_Y_ twenty four. We've had eighty seven thousand for the three quarters of F_Y_ twenty five. And that's inclusive of the rate increase. Um so as if we were to increase the estimate [Speaker 6] (1:23:02 - 1:23:04) to a hundredth, [Speaker 5] (1:23:04 - 1:23:04) Okay. [Speaker 6] (1:23:04 - 1:23:07) at best that would be the actual of this year. [Speaker 5] (1:23:07 - 1:23:07) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:23:07 - 1:23:14) So that would be saying that every dollar we collected this year would be maintained next year. [Speaker 2] (1:23:15 - 1:23:16) Well, [Speaker 8] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16) It's a [Speaker 2] (1:23:16 - 1:23:17) If I may, [Speaker 5] (1:23:17 - 1:23:17) Mm. [Speaker 2] (1:23:17 - 1:23:20) I would say that if you just said it's eighty seven through three quarters [Speaker 5] (1:23:20 - 1:23:21) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:23:21 - 1:23:28) and it was sixty three two quarters, looks like it's clipping up at about thirty thirty k a quarter. So it looks like we're gonna be closer to a hundred and twenty k [Speaker 5] (1:23:28 - 1:23:28) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:23:28 - 1:23:32) and if your normal thing is to go what ninety percent of actual? [Speaker 6] (1:23:32 - 1:23:32) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:23:33 - 1:23:33) Okay, so [Speaker 5] (1:23:34 - 1:23:34) Underneath [Speaker 7] (1:23:34 - 1:23:34) That's [Speaker 5] (1:23:34 - 1:23:34) it, about [Speaker 7] (1:23:34 - 1:23:34) ninety [Speaker 5] (1:23:34 - 1:23:35) a three. [Speaker 7] (1:23:35 - 1:23:36) nine thousand nine hundred dollars. [Speaker 5] (1:23:36 - 1:23:36) Right. [Speaker 2] (1:23:36 - 1:23:37) Sounds like a hundred thousand, [Speaker 5] (1:23:37 - 1:23:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:23:38 - 1:23:38) yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:23:38 - 1:23:39) Hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:23:39 - 1:23:39) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:23:39 - 1:23:44) Okay, which would give us an which would give us an additional thirty three thousand dollars of revenue [Speaker 5] (1:23:44 - 1:23:44) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:23:44 - 1:23:44) here. [Speaker 5] (1:23:45 - 1:23:48) Like, Amy, just a question on the health insurance piece. [Speaker 6] (1:23:48 - 1:23:48) Yes. [Speaker 5] (1:23:48 - 1:24:02) So what if there is extra money from the health insurance, right? What if, you know, the school doesn't use as much or the town doesn't use as much, what do we then give that money back? [Speaker 6] (1:24:02 - 1:24:03) That would [Speaker 5] (1:24:03 - 1:24:07) If we're alloc if we're charging the sc charging the school seventy five percent of it. [Speaker 6] (1:24:07 - 1:24:10) Yeah. So that was the discussion that was had at finance committee was [Speaker 6] (1:24:10 - 1:24:14) You know, how would it be handled at, you know, the December town meeting [Speaker 6] (1:24:15 - 1:24:22) um with you know, that our second biggest time of change is the school hiring in the fall, [Speaker 5] (1:24:22 - 1:24:22) Right. [Speaker 6] (1:24:22 - 1:24:29) um because as I'm sure everyone's aware, not every single body that leaves in June is [Speaker 5] (1:24:29 - 1:24:29) Comes [Speaker 6] (1:24:29 - 1:24:29) the exact [Speaker 5] (1:24:29 - 1:24:29) back. [Speaker 6] (1:24:29 - 1:24:31) same body that walks in [Speaker 5] (1:24:31 - 1:24:31) Right. [Speaker 6] (1:24:31 - 1:24:33) in September October. So [Speaker 6] (1:24:34 - 1:24:42) That was the discussion, um and I believe the chair, you know, spoke up at the the school committee chair spoke up at the finance committee meeting, [Speaker 6] (1:24:43 - 1:24:45) you know, letting them know that if that money is reduced, [Speaker 5] (1:24:45 - 1:24:46) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:24:46 - 1:24:52) they have to make personnel changes even if they get that money back, it doesn't necessarily mean that person comes back. [Speaker 5] (1:24:52 - 1:24:56) Right, so my point is if we're charging the schools for seventy five percent of the expense [Speaker 5] (1:24:57 - 1:25:03) But they're not, if they don't utilise all of it, we're taking we're still taking back any money that they would have saved. [Speaker 6] (1:25:03 - 1:25:04) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:25:04 - 1:25:06) So it's almost like we're double penalising them. [Speaker 5] (1:25:06 - 1:25:13) Do you know it's it's not equal, right? We're we're trying to make it equal by by distributing seventy five to twenty five. [Speaker 5] (1:25:13 - 1:25:13) But [Speaker 7] (1:25:13 - 1:25:13) Well, [Speaker 5] (1:25:13 - 1:25:13) in actuality, [Speaker 7] (1:25:13 - 1:25:16) it's easy, not equitable. It's equal in the fact that you're giving them [Speaker 5] (1:25:16 - 1:25:16) Equitable, [Speaker 7] (1:25:16 - 1:25:17) a percentage that [Speaker 5] (1:25:17 - 1:25:17) yeah. [Speaker 7] (1:25:17 - 1:25:21) you feel like it is owed, but it's not equitable because they don't have an ability to [Speaker 5] (1:25:21 - 1:25:23) To get it back if they don't utilize [Speaker 7] (1:25:23 - 1:25:23) compensate [Speaker 5] (1:25:23 - 1:25:23) that. [Speaker 7] (1:25:23 - 1:25:29) that in their budget because they have to budget for people in building in September and [Speaker 5] (1:25:29 - 1:25:29) Right, [Speaker 7] (1:25:29 - 1:25:31) if they don't get that money back to December, [Speaker 7] (1:25:31 - 1:25:32) then those people are still not in their building. [Speaker 5] (1:25:32 - 1:25:33) right. [Speaker 7] (1:25:33 - 1:25:33) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:25:34 - 1:25:37) Yeah, in terms of the budget. [Speaker 6] (1:25:38 - 1:25:47) Obviously once that hiring happens we can do a new updated forecast and uh you can amend the budget any time meeting. [Speaker 5] (1:25:47 - 1:25:47) Great. [Speaker 2] (1:25:48 - 1:25:51) Okay so right now we got a hundred and seven thousand dollars [Speaker 5] (1:25:52 - 1:25:52) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:25:52 - 1:25:54) between your seventy four seven hundred [Speaker 2] (1:25:55 - 1:25:57) and this additional thirty three. [Speaker 2] (1:25:58 - 1:25:59) Right? [Speaker 7] (1:25:59 - 1:26:01) What does it say again, hunt do the math. [Speaker 2] (1:26:01 - 1:26:02) Seventy four seven hundred for [Speaker 7] (1:26:02 - 1:26:02) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:26:02 - 1:26:04) Amy for everyone keeping score. [Speaker 7] (1:26:04 - 1:26:05) Yep. [Speaker 7] (1:26:05 - 1:26:06) Thirty [Speaker 2] (1:26:06 - 1:26:06) Um, [Speaker 7] (1:26:06 - 1:26:07) three thousand. [Speaker 2] (1:26:07 - 1:26:11) and thirty three thousand from the rooms tax increase. [Speaker 7] (1:26:11 - 1:26:13) Which is a hundred and seven seven you said. [Speaker 2] (1:26:13 - 1:26:13) Yep. [Speaker 7] (1:26:13 - 1:26:14) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:26:14 - 1:26:15) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:26:16 - 1:26:22) I think we should probably stick with, is there anything else on revenue, just to be kind of [Speaker 2] (1:26:25 - 1:26:26) methodical about this. [Speaker 2] (1:26:27 - 1:26:27) Um [Speaker 7] (1:26:27 - 1:26:29) I didn't come with that much good news. [Speaker 5] (1:26:29 - 1:26:29) No. [Speaker 2] (1:26:29 - 1:26:30) No, no, not just [Speaker 7] (1:26:30 - 1:26:30) $107 [Speaker 5] (1:26:30 - 1:26:30) That's true. [Speaker 8] (1:26:30 - 1:26:30) Good [Speaker 2] (1:26:30 - 1:26:30) not [Speaker 8] (1:26:30 - 1:26:30) news. [Speaker 7] (1:26:30 - 1:26:31) That's thousand is [Speaker 5] (1:26:31 - 1:26:31) a lot. [Speaker 7] (1:26:31 - 1:26:32) good news. [Speaker 5] (1:26:32 - 1:26:32) That's [Speaker 8] (1:26:32 - 1:26:32) Absolutely. [Speaker 7] (1:26:32 - 1:26:32) But [Speaker 5] (1:26:32 - 1:26:32) a lot. [Speaker 7] (1:26:32 - 1:26:38) I had, I had, we're not going to bury the punchline here. That's good news. It's just how we s figure out how we allocate that [Speaker 5] (1:26:38 - 1:26:38) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (1:26:38 - 1:26:40) is going to be important. [Speaker 8] (1:26:40 - 1:26:40) Right. [Speaker 2] (1:26:41 - 1:26:53) And I think there are a lot of other ideas that have been surfaced about additional ways to find a little bit more, but because I think there's, I think there's at least a few of us that. [Speaker 2] (1:26:53 - 1:26:57) I want to first get to the hurdle of the hundred and thirty thousand dollars that [Speaker 5] (1:26:57 - 1:26:57) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:26:57 - 1:26:59) was taken out of the school budget, right? [Speaker 5] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:27:00 - 1:27:00) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:27:01 - 1:27:06) And just just uh process-wise here, FinCom has [Speaker 2] (1:27:10 - 1:27:12) They have what, [Speaker 2] (1:27:12 - 1:27:15) Amy, you wanna go through like the there's something in the warrant, [Speaker 6] (1:27:15 - 1:27:16) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:27:16 - 1:27:18) right. Since then FinCom has changed, [Speaker 7] (1:27:18 - 1:27:19) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:27:19 - 1:27:19) right. [Speaker 5] (1:27:19 - 1:27:19) Wow. [Speaker 2] (1:27:19 - 1:27:26) So they would be coming to the floor with kind of an update basically to what was in the warrant with what their motion is, right? [Speaker 5] (1:27:26 - 1:27:26) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:27:26 - 1:27:26) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:27:27 - 1:27:33) Okay. But the select board could come with a further amendment to that. [Speaker 5] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:27:34 - 1:27:35) Any town meeting member can amend [Speaker 2] (1:27:35 - 1:27:35) Yep. [Speaker 6] (1:27:35 - 1:27:36) the motion on the floor. [Speaker 2] (1:27:36 - 1:27:37) Right, okay. [Speaker 7] (1:27:44 - 1:27:48) I was just making sure that number three said vote just in case. Alright, [Speaker 5] (1:27:48 - 1:27:48) Alright. [Speaker 7] (1:27:48 - 1:27:57) great. So um if that's all the good news and revenue, shall we move on to the not good news then? [Speaker 5] (1:27:57 - 1:27:57) Mm. [Speaker 7] (1:27:57 - 1:28:05) Or like the sort of less sparkly part of it, which is the expenditures, right? [Speaker 7] (1:28:07 - 1:28:07) The line items. [Speaker 5] (1:28:07 - 1:28:08) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (1:28:08 - 1:28:09) And [Speaker 7] (1:28:09 - 1:28:13) just taking a pulse on the board, is it the intention that you guys wanna [Speaker 7] (1:28:14 - 1:28:21) go through and go through some of these suggestions that were made that we are able to discuss publicly and talk them through now with Jamie or [Speaker 5] (1:28:22 - 1:28:28) Yeah, I think that I think we have to. I think that is part of the hard work that that we have to do on this side. [Speaker 7] (1:28:30 - 1:28:32) Does anybody anybody take that? [Speaker 5] (1:28:32 - 1:28:34) Jamie, I think you sent around a consolidated [Speaker 7] (1:28:35 - 1:28:36) What does it say? [Speaker 5] (1:28:36 - 1:28:42) Um, you sent around something right that was consolidated, because I know Doug, David, myself all had [Speaker 6] (1:28:42 - 1:28:43) Yeah, I signed dress colors. [Speaker 5] (1:28:43 - 1:28:44) suggestions. Okay. [Speaker 7] (1:28:44 - 1:28:46) Did that get printed by chance? [Speaker 6] (1:28:47 - 1:28:48) No. [Speaker 7] (1:28:48 - 1:28:49) No, okay. [Speaker 5] (1:28:49 - 1:28:49) Sorry. [Speaker 7] (1:28:50 - 1:28:51) That's okay. Um [Speaker 5] (1:28:51 - 1:28:51) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (1:28:51 - 1:28:53) this came from you Amy? [Speaker 6] (1:28:54 - 1:28:54) Yes. [Speaker 6] (1:28:55 - 1:28:57) It was around eight o'clock last night. [Speaker 6] (1:29:00 - 1:29:04) And then I think I recirculated one earlier today with um [Speaker 6] (1:29:06 - 1:29:07) With percentages on it. [Speaker 5] (1:29:08 - 1:29:11) So I think some of the bigger ones, if I remember David [Speaker 6] (1:29:11 - 1:29:13) Katie, would it be easier if I just re-forward it to you? [Speaker 7] (1:29:13 - 1:29:15) Yep, that'd be great. Just so I can be [Speaker 5] (1:29:15 - 1:29:15) Fuel, [Speaker 7] (1:29:15 - 1:29:16) a little radical about [Speaker 5] (1:29:16 - 1:29:16) snow [Speaker 7] (1:29:16 - 1:29:17) it. [Speaker 5] (1:29:17 - 1:29:18) and ice, mm, [Speaker 5] (1:29:19 - 1:29:20) off the top of [Speaker 3] (1:29:20 - 1:29:20) my head. [Speaker 2] (1:29:21 - 1:29:21) I [Speaker 1] (1:29:21 - 1:29:21) Well, [Speaker 2] (1:29:21 - 1:29:21) don't know. [Speaker 1] (1:29:21 - 1:29:25) it seems like we've already tapped into snow and ice now. [Speaker 4] (1:29:25 - 1:29:29) And we have an understanding as to why it can't go any lower. [Speaker 2] (1:29:29 - 1:29:29) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:29:29 - 1:29:29) Right, [Speaker 1] (1:29:30 - 1:29:30) right. [Speaker 2] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31) I [Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31) So [Speaker 2] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31) don't remember [Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31) just [Speaker 2] (1:29:31 - 1:29:32) what [Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:32) to that [Speaker 2] (1:29:32 - 1:29:32) the [Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:32) point, [Speaker 2] (1:29:32 - 1:29:32) field piece was. [Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:35) you know, without [Speaker 1] (1:29:37 - 1:29:42) belaboring this, you know, when we brought it, when David brought it forward as a suggestion originally. [Speaker 1] (1:29:43 - 1:29:50) we didn't have wiggle room to help the schools but now that we need help on our side there's wiggle room so it [Speaker 2] (1:29:51 - 1:29:53) Was there a difference in the number? [Speaker 1] (1:29:53 - 1:30:02) was there a difference in the number great question was there a difference in the number that we were asking for but even if David brought forth a suggestion of lowering it by x dollars then the [Speaker 2] (1:30:02 - 1:30:02) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:30:02 - 1:30:09) the response back could have been well it can't go down by x dollars but it could go down by y dollars so you know I [Speaker 1] (1:30:10 - 1:30:11) Just one. [Speaker 5] (1:30:11 - 1:30:12) Are we talking about fuel now? Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:30:12 - 1:30:12) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:30:13 - 1:30:16) No, I thought he talked about s I thought David brought for s snow also as part [Speaker 2] (1:30:16 - 1:30:19) It was two separate, snow and ice and then there was fuel. [Speaker 1] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19) Fuel. [Speaker 1] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19) yep. [Speaker 5] (1:30:19 - 1:30:20) Oh, right. [Speaker 1] (1:30:20 - 1:30:20) So [Speaker 2] (1:30:20 - 1:30:20) Oh. [Speaker 1] (1:30:21 - 1:30:21) Well [Speaker 5] (1:30:21 - 1:30:23) Snow and ice we just heard why we can't go any lower than [Speaker 2] (1:30:23 - 1:30:23) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:30:23 - 1:30:23) that. [Speaker 4] (1:30:23 - 1:30:24) Which [Speaker 5] (1:30:24 - 1:30:24) Yep. [Speaker 4] (1:30:24 - 1:30:24) I I [Speaker 1] (1:30:24 - 1:30:24) I Right. [Speaker 4] (1:30:24 - 1:30:25) get, I understand. [Speaker 2] (1:30:25 - 1:30:25) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:30:25 - 1:30:27) Yes, no, but when I yeah, okay. [Speaker 2] (1:30:29 - 1:30:31) I know I had brought up cell phones. [Speaker 1] (1:30:31 - 1:30:32) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:30:32 - 1:30:40) Cell phones were a big issue for me in the cost. I know, right. Um you know, spending twenty five thousand a year on cell phones. [Speaker 1] (1:30:40 - 1:30:40) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:30:40 - 1:30:44) I felt like something that was something we could potentially look to cut. [Speaker 2] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45) If not [Speaker 4] (1:30:45 - 1:30:46) Thirty two six forty. [Speaker 2] (1:30:46 - 1:30:53) Thank you. Thirty two six forty. If not eliminate altogether because I really cannot justify in my head um [Speaker 2] (1:30:53 - 1:31:08) paying for cell phone use for department heads or whatever you know whoever it's comprised of other than a town administrator or somebody that is on call 24 7. So that's I think something we could revisit or at least discuss. [Speaker 1] (1:31:08 - 1:31:10) And where did the discussions land with that? [Speaker 5] (1:31:12 - 1:31:16) Probably didn't get off the ground a little bit. We had two cell phones returned today by [Speaker 6] (1:31:18 - 1:31:27) So at the request of the town administrator, I started having conversations with some of our department heads um just to start seeing, you know, the utilization of the phone, [Speaker 6] (1:31:27 - 1:31:28) you know. [Speaker 2] (1:31:28 - 1:31:28) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:31:29 - 1:31:32) Outside of town hall hours and work hours, [Speaker 6] (1:31:32 - 1:31:34) like what utilization, [Speaker 6] (1:31:34 - 1:31:36) like what reasons are you being contacted, [Speaker 6] (1:31:36 - 1:31:39) like who's contacting you, [Speaker 6] (1:31:39 - 1:31:39) what the need is. [Speaker 6] (1:31:40 - 1:31:42) So we started having those preliminary discussions. [Speaker 6] (1:31:42 - 1:31:43) So as Gino said, [Speaker 6] (1:31:44 - 1:31:49) we've had two employees who have already this week after those discussions come forward and said, [Speaker 6] (1:31:49 - 1:31:54) actually, I don't get a lot of contact outside of town hall. [Speaker 6] (1:31:55 - 1:31:55) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:31:55 - 1:31:57) voluntarily turned in their [Speaker 6] (1:31:57 - 1:31:57) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:31:57 - 1:31:57) cell phones. [Speaker 1] (1:31:57 - 1:31:57) Excellent. [Speaker 2] (1:31:57 - 1:31:58) That's amazing. [Speaker 2] (1:31:59 - 1:32:00) Amazing. And just because [Speaker 5] (1:32:00 - 1:32:00) But [Speaker 2] (1:32:00 - 1:32:01) they've [Speaker 5] (1:32:01 - 1:32:01) the understanding, [Speaker 2] (1:32:01 - 1:32:03) been sitting there and they haven't used it. [Speaker 5] (1:32:03 - 1:32:05) but they're not going to be bothered outside of work, so. [Speaker 2] (1:32:05 - 1:32:05) Right, [Speaker 6] (1:32:05 - 1:32:05) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:32:05 - 1:32:05) that [Speaker 5] (1:32:05 - 1:32:05) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:32:05 - 1:32:06) too, [Speaker 5] (1:32:06 - 1:32:06) Sure. [Speaker 2] (1:32:06 - 1:32:06) right. [Speaker 1] (1:32:06 - 1:32:06) Fair. [Speaker 2] (1:32:06 - 1:32:07) And as they shouldn't be, [Speaker 1] (1:32:07 - 1:32:07) Fair. [Speaker 2] (1:32:07 - 1:32:08) right? [Speaker 5] (1:32:08 - 1:32:08) We [Speaker 1] (1:32:08 - 1:32:08) Well, [Speaker 5] (1:32:08 - 1:32:08) shouldn't [Speaker 2] (1:32:08 - 1:32:08) Maybe. [Speaker 1] (1:32:08 - 1:32:09) maybe. [Speaker 5] (1:32:09 - 1:32:09) have them. [Speaker 2] (1:32:09 - 1:32:10) As they shouldn't be. [Speaker 1] (1:32:10 - 1:32:11) Some of them shouldn't be. [Speaker 2] (1:32:11 - 1:32:13) It's healthy work life. That's what you do. [Speaker 2] (1:32:13 - 1:32:15) So what is that, so on, [Speaker 2] (1:32:15 - 1:32:16) you know, an average, [Speaker 2] (1:32:16 - 1:32:18) you know, what does each cell phone equate to roughly? [Speaker 6] (1:32:18 - 1:32:20) About $200 a year. [Speaker 2] (1:32:20 - 1:32:21) 280, okay. [Speaker 1] (1:32:21 - 1:32:21) So [Speaker 2] (1:32:21 - 1:32:22) So how many are they, [Speaker 2] (1:32:22 - 1:32:24) how many are there that could, I mean. [Speaker 2] (1:32:24 - 1:32:25) I could do the math, right? What [Speaker 1] (1:32:25 - 1:32:25) Wait. [Speaker 2] (1:32:25 - 1:32:27) are they, fifty or so? How many people [Speaker 1] (1:32:27 - 1:32:28) Was it four [Speaker 2] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28) have cell [Speaker 1] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28) and I [Speaker 2] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28) phones? [Speaker 1] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28) done them out? [Speaker 6] (1:32:28 - 1:32:32) So not including our public safety, there would be about uh [Speaker 1] (1:32:32 - 1:32:33) Wait, thirty two hundred or thirty [Speaker 2] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33) Oh, [Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33) two thousand? [Speaker 2] (1:32:33 - 1:32:34) thirty two thousand. [Speaker 1] (1:32:35 - 1:32:38) The math is the math then, right? Because like thirty two thousand divided by two hundred [Speaker 6] (1:32:38 - 1:32:41) I I was going based off the town hall phones, because I wasn't including the public [Speaker 2] (1:32:41 - 1:32:42) Like the [Speaker 6] (1:32:42 - 1:32:42) safety [Speaker 2] (1:32:42 - 1:32:42) public [Speaker 6] (1:32:42 - 1:32:42) phones. [Speaker 2] (1:32:42 - 1:32:43) safety people. [Speaker 1] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43) Okay, sorry. [Speaker 6] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:32:43 - 1:32:48) So police and fire have them, not just the chiefs, but lieutenants or s right, some [Speaker 6] (1:32:48 - 1:32:48) Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:32:48 - 1:32:49) upper level. [Speaker 6] (1:32:49 - 1:32:50) Yeah, so that's emergency management. [Speaker 6] (1:32:50 - 1:32:54) instrument um phone and hotspots for when they have to do command centres. [Speaker 2] (1:32:54 - 1:32:55) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:32:55 - 1:32:56) And that's a different cost, I would assume, than [Speaker 6] (1:32:56 - 1:32:57) Yes. [Speaker 1] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57) a regular cell phone [Speaker 6] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57) And [Speaker 1] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57) bill. [Speaker 6] (1:32:57 - 1:33:03) then there's ones um that don't stay with the employees but they stay with the vehicle. [Speaker 2] (1:33:03 - 1:33:03) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:33:03 - 1:33:03) Um [Speaker 1] (1:33:03 - 1:33:04) Okay. [Speaker 6] (1:33:04 - 1:33:09) and my my takeaway from our conversation was that we weren't talking about [Speaker 2] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09) Right, [Speaker 6] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09) the public [Speaker 2] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09) not [Speaker 6] (1:33:09 - 1:33:10) safety we were [Speaker 2] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10) trying [Speaker 6] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10) just talking [Speaker 2] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10) to [Speaker 6] (1:33:10 - 1:33:11) about [Speaker 2] (1:33:11 - 1:33:12) endanger public safety. [Speaker 6] (1:33:12 - 1:33:12) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:33:12 - 1:33:13) We're looking at solely [Speaker 6] (1:33:13 - 1:33:14) Administrative [Speaker 2] (1:33:14 - 1:33:14) household goods. [Speaker 6] (1:33:14 - 1:33:15) staff. [Speaker 2] (1:33:15 - 1:33:15) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:33:15 - 1:33:15) And that's the fifth [Speaker 1] (1:33:16 - 1:33:17) And then so what's that number then? [Speaker 6] (1:33:17 - 1:33:23) So if we eliminated all of the town hall phones in its entirety, [Speaker 6] (1:33:23 - 1:33:28) it would be a savings of just over $6,000 a year. [Speaker 2] (1:33:28 - 1:33:28) 6,000, right. [Speaker 2] (1:33:29 - 1:33:29) Okay. [Speaker 6] (1:33:29 - 1:33:30) So if you, [Speaker 6] (1:33:31 - 1:33:34) you know, I would work backwards from there and [Speaker 2] (1:33:34 - 1:33:34) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:33:34 - 1:33:37) be like, okay, we want the town administrator to keep a phone. [Speaker 6] (1:33:38 - 1:33:38) Sorry, [Speaker 5] (1:33:38 - 1:33:38) A little [Speaker 6] (1:33:38 - 1:33:38) Gino. [Speaker 5] (1:33:38 - 1:33:39) slow, sorry. [Speaker 1] (1:33:39 - 1:33:42) In the DPW head, fortunately for us that's a savings. [Speaker 6] (1:33:42 - 1:33:42) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:33:42 - 1:33:42) Right. [Speaker 5] (1:33:43 - 1:33:43) One thousand. [Speaker 6] (1:33:43 - 1:33:49) And then, you know, I would work back from there and be like, okay, do we contact Marcy a lot outside of ours? [Speaker 2] (1:33:49 - 1:33:51) Right. And we probably do, but should we? [Speaker 6] (1:33:51 - 1:33:51) How [Speaker 1] (1:33:51 - 1:33:52) Right, [Speaker 6] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52) often [Speaker 1] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52) so that's [Speaker 6] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52) do [Speaker 1] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52) more [Speaker 6] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52) we contact [Speaker 1] (1:33:52 - 1:33:53) of a [Speaker 6] (1:33:53 - 1:33:54) our finance director? Do we like [Speaker 2] (1:33:54 - 1:33:57) Right. Again, we do, but should we? [Speaker 2] (1:33:57 - 1:33:59) Right? So there's there's a value to that. [Speaker 1] (1:33:59 - 1:34:05) Well even if we ch outse okay so the other thing to look at is like okay say you wanted to [Speaker 1] (1:34:06 - 1:34:19) level the cell phones right so you say like okay at a department head level maybe the expectation is you may be contacted outside of working hours but a level under that unless your job description warranted it you would not [Speaker 6] (1:34:19 - 1:34:21) We only have two. [Speaker 6] (1:34:22 - 1:34:32) We primarily only have two non-department heads who have phones um one of which is the assistant engineer um and the other is um [Speaker 2] (1:34:33 - 1:34:33) Diane. [Speaker 1] (1:34:33 - 1:34:34) Diane. [Speaker 6] (1:34:34 - 1:34:44) Oh I I I was including her in the department heads, sorry. So we have three non-department heads. Um Diane, it's the assistant engineer and [Speaker 5] (1:34:46 - 1:34:46) Marisa? [Speaker 6] (1:34:47 - 1:34:47) No. [Speaker 6] (1:34:49 - 1:34:50) There is that's [Speaker 1] (1:34:50 - 1:34:50) Did you try [Speaker 6] (1:34:50 - 1:34:50) two of them. [Speaker 1] (1:34:50 - 1:34:50) them? [Speaker 1] (1:34:51 - 1:34:51) Okay, well anyways, [Speaker 6] (1:34:51 - 1:34:51) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52) we we're [Speaker 2] (1:34:52 - 1:34:57) Okay, so if we apply that principle, right, so let's say, you know, we look at all of our departments in town. [Speaker 2] (1:34:58 - 1:35:00) Perfect example is the school department, [Speaker 2] (1:35:00 - 1:35:01) where they pay for zero, [Speaker 2] (1:35:01 - 1:35:04) Absolutely none. No employee, including the superintendent, [Speaker 2] (1:35:05 - 1:35:07) has a cell phone paid for by this town. [Speaker 4] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08) Hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:35:08 - 1:35:10) So in theory, like [Speaker 2] (1:35:11 - 1:35:14) You know, do you apply the same principle for all town hall employees? [Speaker 2] (1:35:15 - 1:35:21) Right, do you use that same methodology for all people that work for this town? Or no, maybe you don't, but that's that's [Speaker 5] (1:35:21 - 1:35:22) Guess my first [Speaker 2] (1:35:22 - 1:35:22) a comparison. [Speaker 5] (1:35:22 - 1:35:27) thoughts would be who inside the school system other than the superintendent would need to be contacted during the week. [Speaker 2] (1:35:27 - 1:35:31) Maybe Max, maybe Gareth Baker, maybe facilities, I don't know. [Speaker 5] (1:35:31 - 1:35:31) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:35:31 - 1:35:32) Max has a phone. [Speaker 2] (1:35:32 - 1:35:33) Right? [Speaker 6] (1:35:33 - 1:35:33) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:35:33 - 1:35:33) Right. [Speaker 4] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34) Mm. [Speaker 2] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34) Max [Speaker 4] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34) I mean, [Speaker 2] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34) luckily [Speaker 4] (1:35:34 - 1:35:36) even the phones there's, you know, I mean you can't. [Speaker 2] (1:35:36 - 1:35:37) there's principles, [Speaker 5] (1:35:37 - 1:35:37) Probably [Speaker 2] (1:35:37 - 1:35:37) there's [Speaker 5] (1:35:37 - 1:35:40) Max has a phone I'm pretty sure, Garrett has a phone, I guess that is. [Speaker 5] (1:35:41 - 1:35:42) calling on it all the time [Speaker 2] (1:35:42 - 1:35:44) Oh yeah, but it's not town paid for. [Speaker 5] (1:35:44 - 1:35:45) it's his own personal phone [Speaker 1] (1:35:51 - 1:35:55) Okay, well we are talking about all dollars matter, but in the scheme [Speaker 4] (1:35:55 - 1:35:55) That's [Speaker 1] (1:35:55 - 1:35:55) of things we [Speaker 4] (1:35:55 - 1:35:55) a pretty [Speaker 1] (1:35:55 - 1:35:56) need to find [Speaker 4] (1:35:56 - 1:35:59) I have to say it's a pretty stark fact [Speaker 5] (1:36:00 - 1:36:00) so we probably [Speaker 4] (1:36:00 - 1:36:04) school committees and schools aren't paying for any cell phones that's [Speaker 5] (1:36:04 - 1:36:05) It's pretty stark. [Speaker 2] (1:36:05 - 1:36:09) Well, you know, it goes with the equity piece, [Speaker 2] (1:36:09 - 1:36:09) right? [Speaker 2] (1:36:09 - 1:36:11) If we're all one town, [Speaker 2] (1:36:11 - 1:36:18) right, we're operating in different buckets in different ways in different budgets for different groups, like are we being fair? [Speaker 2] (1:36:18 - 1:36:19) Are we being equitable? [Speaker 5] (1:36:19 - 1:36:20) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:36:20 - 1:36:29) Right? So that's why I focused on it, to be quite honest, because the number was big to me and I just found it not common practice. [Speaker 2] (1:36:29 - 1:36:38) In any of the municipalities that I've worked in where I've been a head of a department and I certainly have not paid for my cell phone from past experience. So [Speaker 5] (1:36:38 - 1:36:42) I should hope so. Explore fire then. I end up is it just the captains who have the cell phone? [Speaker 6] (1:36:43 - 1:36:46) It stays with the vehicle so th there's um [Speaker 5] (1:36:47 - 1:36:47) We sure? [Speaker 6] (1:36:48 - 1:36:50) Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're not even labeled as people. [Speaker 6] (1:36:51 - 1:36:52) It's labeled as like ladder truck 21 [Speaker 5] (1:36:52 - 1:36:53) They have captain. [Speaker 6] (1:36:53 - 1:36:54) and [Speaker 2] (1:36:54 - 1:36:59) So because you have captain cell phone numbers, so you assume that this number is attached to this person, [Speaker 5] (1:36:59 - 1:36:59) Personally, [Speaker 5] (1:36:59 - 1:37:00) I agree. [Speaker 2] (1:37:00 - 1:37:00) right? [Speaker 2] (1:37:00 - 1:37:03) So to me that's concerning, [Speaker 2] (1:37:03 - 1:37:04) right? [Speaker 2] (1:37:04 - 1:37:04) Because if it's a vehicle, [Speaker 2] (1:37:05 - 1:37:07) I could understand that from a safety perspective, [Speaker 2] (1:37:07 - 1:37:08) but if it's just a person. [Speaker 2] (1:37:09 - 1:37:27) That's the same principle we're just talking about as department heads, right? So it's almost like we need a revision of this whole policy. So you kind of start from zero and then you build back, right? You add as necessary if you feel like, you know, if the T_A_ feels like safety is uh is paramount and you wanna increase, but [Speaker 2] (1:37:29 - 1:37:33) you know, to level set you bring it to zero and then you go from there. That's my personal feeling. [Speaker 1] (1:37:34 - 1:37:36) Are there any legal reasons why we needed cell phones? [Speaker 6] (1:37:37 - 1:37:40) It started because of the public records requests. [Speaker 6] (1:37:40 - 1:37:54) So we don't have anyone using their personal phones for work reasons because it can be pulled as a public records request and so you have to maintain all the records on it. [Speaker 4] (1:37:55 - 1:37:55) We should get. [Speaker 2] (1:37:55 - 1:37:58) But you can ask us for public records requests, right? [Speaker 2] (1:37:58 - 1:37:59) Nobody's paying for this cell phone. [Speaker 2] (1:38:00 - 1:38:02) So I don't know how that. [Speaker 2] (1:38:02 - 1:38:04) It isn't quite, you know what I mean? That [Speaker 1] (1:38:04 - 1:38:04) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:38:04 - 1:38:06) didn't make a whole lot of sense, [Speaker 4] (1:38:06 - 1:38:08) but A great deal now, we increase the budget for [Speaker 2] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08) there you [Speaker 4] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08) snow [Speaker 2] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08) go. [Speaker 4] (1:38:08 - 1:38:09) removal. [Speaker 2] (1:38:09 - 1:38:10) No, it's a tug. [Speaker 1] (1:38:10 - 1:38:11) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:38:11 - 1:38:11) No. [Speaker 1] (1:38:11 - 1:38:14) Um, should we so do we want to [Speaker 2] (1:38:14 - 1:38:15) So what are your [Speaker 1] (1:38:15 - 1:38:15) make [Speaker 2] (1:38:15 - 1:38:15) thoughts? [Speaker 1] (1:38:15 - 1:38:16) a recommendation [Speaker 2] (1:38:16 - 1:38:16) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:38:16 - 1:38:17) or thought here about cell phones? [Speaker 5] (1:38:18 - 1:38:20) So my guess, w was the number we had in there? Thirty... [Speaker 4] (1:38:20 - 1:38:21) Thirty two [Speaker 1] (1:38:21 - 1:38:21) Well, so [Speaker 4] (1:38:21 - 1:38:21) or [Speaker 1] (1:38:21 - 1:38:21) there's six [Speaker 4] (1:38:21 - 1:38:22) forty. [Speaker 1] (1:38:22 - 1:38:22) so if we [Speaker 5] (1:38:22 - 1:38:22) I'm [Speaker 1] (1:38:22 - 1:38:23) take out [Speaker 5] (1:38:23 - 1:38:23) guessing we [Speaker 1] (1:38:23 - 1:38:23) the [Speaker 5] (1:38:23 - 1:38:23) could cut it in half. [Speaker 1] (1:38:23 - 1:38:27) if we take out the public safety cell phones, we're only looking at six thousand dollars, you said correct? [Speaker 2] (1:38:28 - 1:38:28) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:38:28 - 1:38:29) So [Speaker 1] (1:38:29 - 1:38:33) We're talking about six thousand dollars that gets spent outside of public safety for cell phones. [Speaker 5] (1:38:34 - 1:38:41) Yeah, I think not to undoubt them, but just to do that math, what's six thousand divided by two hundred, that's how many cell phones we have? [Speaker 1] (1:38:41 - 1:38:41) Thirty. [Speaker 1] (1:38:42 - 1:38:45) And then minus three. So there's twenty seven department heads in town hall? [Speaker 5] (1:38:45 - 1:38:46) Absolutely not. [Speaker 2] (1:38:46 - 1:38:46) No. [Speaker 1] (1:38:46 - 1:38:47) Absolutely not. [Speaker 5] (1:38:47 - 1:38:47) Right. [Speaker 2] (1:38:47 - 1:38:47) Exactly. [Speaker 1] (1:38:47 - 1:38:48) I'm mathing mathing. [Speaker 5] (1:38:48 - 1:38:48) Uh [Speaker 2] (1:38:48 - 1:38:51) So there's there's more people that have them than department heads, [Speaker 4] (1:38:51 - 1:38:51) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:38:51 - 1:38:51) which [Speaker 5] (1:38:51 - 1:38:52) That's right. [Speaker 2] (1:38:52 - 1:38:53) is even more concerning, isn't it? [Speaker 5] (1:38:53 - 1:38:54) I'd say conservatively there's [Speaker 1] (1:38:54 - 1:38:54) So how [Speaker 5] (1:38:54 - 1:38:54) a three [Speaker 1] (1:38:54 - 1:38:55) many [Speaker 5] (1:38:55 - 1:38:55) thousand [Speaker 1] (1:38:55 - 1:38:55) so [Speaker 5] (1:38:55 - 1:38:56) dollar saving right there. [Speaker 1] (1:38:56 - 1:38:58) how many department heads are there, numerically? [Speaker 2] (1:38:59 - 1:38:59) Hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:38:59 - 1:39:00) And you? [Speaker 2] (1:39:02 - 1:39:03) Probably 12, [Speaker 2] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03) maybe. [Speaker 5] (1:39:03 - 1:39:04) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:39:04 - 1:39:05) Okay, so even if you took [Speaker 4] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05) five [Speaker 4] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05) I agree. [Speaker 1] (1:39:05 - 1:39:06) machines [Speaker 5] (1:39:06 - 1:39:10) I believe I uh, I I'd like to take Gino up on his suggestion. [Speaker 1] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10) I I [Speaker 1] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10) Reducing [Speaker 5] (1:39:10 - 1:39:11) proposed two, [Speaker 1] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11) it by 2,000? [Speaker 5] (1:39:11 - 1:39:13) he said three, I. [Speaker 1] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14) Sure. [Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:15) We're reducing [Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15) accept [Speaker 2] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15) it to [Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15) your [Speaker 2] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15) three. [Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:16) recommendation. [Speaker 2] (1:39:16 - 1:39:16) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (1:39:16 - 1:39:17) It's a three. [Speaker 4] (1:39:17 - 1:39:17) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:39:17 - 1:39:17) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (1:39:17 - 1:39:19) So that's another $3,000 we found. [Speaker 1] (1:39:20 - 1:39:21) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:39:23 - 1:39:24) Okay. What was the next recommendation? [Speaker 1] (1:39:24 - 1:39:27) Can can I suggest maybe we like go in order and [Speaker 4] (1:39:27 - 1:39:27) Yes, [Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:27) we [Speaker 4] (1:39:27 - 1:39:28) please. [Speaker 1] (1:39:28 - 1:39:28) can [Speaker 2] (1:39:28 - 1:39:28) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (1:39:28 - 1:39:31) That would be great. I don't have it open and I can't read it on my cell phone because it's a little dull. [Speaker 4] (1:39:31 - 1:39:32) So I would love. [Speaker 1] (1:39:32 - 1:39:39) So um with no disrespect to our Finance Committee meeting Finance uh Committee representative this year, I [Speaker 4] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39) Two [Speaker 1] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39) would [Speaker 4] (1:39:39 - 1:39:40) of them are here. [Speaker 1] (1:39:40 - 1:39:52) two, two, thank you, uh let talk about the Finance Committee reserve. Um so Finance Committee reduced that um for this health insurance stuff, right? To [Speaker 4] (1:39:52 - 1:39:53) Well, can you tell us where [Speaker 1] (1:39:53 - 1:39:53) oh [Speaker 4] (1:39:53 - 1:39:53) that [Speaker 1] (1:39:53 - 1:39:54) sorry, [Speaker 4] (1:39:54 - 1:39:54) is? [Speaker 1] (1:39:54 - 1:39:56) this is uh like which [Speaker 6] (1:39:56 - 1:39:56) Line [Speaker 1] (1:39:56 - 1:39:56) row? [Speaker 6] (1:39:56 - 1:39:57) three, line fourteen. [Speaker 1] (1:39:57 - 1:39:58) Yep. [Speaker 4] (1:39:58 - 1:39:59) Fourteen, thank you. [Speaker 1] (1:40:02 - 1:40:03) So was [Speaker 4] (1:40:03 - 1:40:03) No, not unless that's [Speaker 1] (1:40:03 - 1:40:04) usually one hundred twenty five [Speaker 7] (1:40:04 - 1:40:08) Hedy, you want to go to the very beginning of the budget? It's under legislative town meeting. [Speaker 7] (1:40:10 - 1:40:11) Finance committee reserve. [Speaker 4] (1:40:12 - 1:40:14) Okay, go ahead. Yep. [Speaker 4] (1:40:15 - 1:40:15) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:40:15 - 1:40:24) So it's usually one hundred twenty five was, yep, that was T_A_ recommended. Then finance committee brought it down to one ten for this health insurance stuff, right. [Speaker 7] (1:40:24 - 1:40:24) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:40:28 - 1:40:48) Amy very kindly has provided a lot of responses to us on various questions and you know that actual expenditure has varied greatly over the years from ten or twenty thousand to 110,000 which may be why he went down to 110,000 so I [Speaker 1] (1:40:50 - 1:40:53) think in this type of environment [Speaker 8] (1:40:54 - 1:40:55) Yeah, what's the request? [Speaker 1] (1:40:55 - 1:41:01) We should consider reducing that significantly. Um [Speaker 4] (1:41:01 - 1:41:02) What's been the five year average of spend? [Speaker 7] (1:41:04 - 1:41:06) Nothing gets spent from this because it's a transfer out only. [Speaker 4] (1:41:06 - 1:41:09) Okay, what's been the five what's the five year average of transfer? [Speaker 7] (1:41:09 - 1:41:10) About uh [Speaker 4] (1:41:10 - 1:41:10) About that. [Speaker 7] (1:41:12 - 1:41:15) The past five years it's low it's only about 45,000. [Speaker 4] (1:41:16 - 1:41:16) About forty five. [Speaker 1] (1:41:16 - 1:41:18) I suggest to bringing it down to fifty thousand. [Speaker 1] (1:41:21 - 1:41:25) Because I'll just say from the get I'm not trying to just sell for this health insurance thing [Speaker 9] (1:41:25 - 1:41:25) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:41:25 - 1:41:26) Correct. [Speaker 1] (1:41:26 - 1:41:40) I mean just make sure everyone's aware right like right now where the Finance Committee came out We're talking about 2.1 million dollars going against the levee capacity and an average tax increase of seven hundred [Speaker 9] (1:41:41 - 1:41:42) Something. [Speaker 1] (1:41:42 - 1:41:43) something right [Speaker 4] (1:41:46 - 1:41:47) That's Abern. [Speaker 1] (1:41:47 - 1:41:50) So for me, getting over this health insurance thing is just the beginning [Speaker 4] (1:41:50 - 1:41:50) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:41:50 - 1:41:55) like I'd like to start whacking down that two point one as well. Um [Speaker 1] (1:41:57 - 1:42:02) So that's why I propose going down to fifty on the Finance Committee reserve. [Speaker 10] (1:42:03 - 1:42:04) Can I comment? [Speaker 11] (1:42:04 - 1:42:05) Yeah, please. [Speaker 1] (1:42:05 - 1:42:05) Please. [Speaker 10] (1:42:05 - 1:42:12) So the purpose of the Finance Committee Reserve is to cover any unexpected unbudgeted expenses, so if [Speaker 10] (1:42:12 - 1:42:23) If you remember a couple years ago there was a leak at the middle school in the gym and I think we spent $60,000 of the Finance Committee reserve to repair the floor. [Speaker 10] (1:42:24 - 1:42:39) If in future years something else happens where there is an unexpected expense and we don't have the Finance Committee reserve enough funded, then we can't deal with that emergency or contingency and we'd have to have, I assume we'd have to call a special town meeting. [Speaker 10] (1:42:40 - 1:42:58) and either use free cash or, you know, do something else. So you know, a hundred and twenty five thousand doesn't cover our major disaster but it does cover a lot. So that's why we stuck with a hundred and ten because we don't wanna, you know, you wanna keep some contingency. [Speaker 10] (1:42:59 - 1:43:01) So there's a risk in going below that. [Speaker 1] (1:43:01 - 1:43:25) Totally respect that and yet the average is 45 could always be more than 45 but if we if we keep it at 110 then we are forcing something else to be cut definitively right now that may not need to be cut whether that's a paraprofessional or a town hall staff or whatever like that's 60,000 we're sitting there parking it may very well be needed I get it it's a risk [Speaker 1] (1:43:26 - 1:43:35) But if we leave it there, then we are definitively cutting something else or raising taxes to have it sit there. So [Speaker 12] (1:43:35 - 1:43:35) I have a question. [Speaker 1] (1:43:35 - 1:43:36) that's that's the trade-off. [Speaker 4] (1:43:37 - 1:43:37) Yes, very well. [Speaker 12] (1:43:37 - 1:43:54) What happens when what happens if the salary reserve on the town side is not adequate and we're in a situation where we we do need a little bit extra to buffer to get another employee or to tie something out? [Speaker 12] (1:43:54 - 1:43:56) And we have to fall to the shuffle. [Speaker 12] (1:43:56 - 1:44:00) Often the f often the reserve is the saver in the shuffle. [Speaker 12] (1:44:01 - 1:44:03) So how does that how does that play out? [Speaker 4] (1:44:04 - 1:44:05) Let me have you [Speaker 7] (1:44:05 - 1:44:05) You [Speaker 12] (1:44:05 - 1:44:05) right. [Speaker 4] (1:44:05 - 1:44:16) can you further explain that? So what you're saying is that there's excess built into the income reserve intentionally such that in the shuffle the other line items get covered. [Speaker 12] (1:44:16 - 1:44:20) So the FinCom reserve has has actually um higher than this. [Speaker 12] (1:44:21 - 1:44:48) a few years ago and then we we brought it down. But the Fincom reserve is always our emergency for an unforeseen. Then if we don't use it as the emergency for the unforeseen, 'cause we're very strict strict on that. If we ever even talk about a line item we can't we don't touch it again. Like actually the Finance Committee brought it up the other night saying that there's a possibility, well why don't we just use the Finance Committee reserve, but you can't once you've already [Speaker 12] (1:44:48 - 1:44:50) had a conversation about it so what [Speaker 4] (1:44:50 - 1:44:50) Wait. [Speaker 12] (1:44:50 - 1:44:56) has happened it has to be unforeseen so if we're saying why can't we use we'll use some of this money Oh, for [Speaker 4] (1:44:56 - 1:44:56) we have [Speaker 12] (1:44:56 - 1:44:56) in [Speaker 4] (1:44:56 - 1:44:57) a plan. [Speaker 12] (1:44:57 - 1:44:57) for insurance [Speaker 7] (1:44:57 - 1:44:58) Uh-huh. [Speaker 12] (1:44:58 - 1:45:00) you can't because it was your responsibility to plan [Speaker 4] (1:45:00 - 1:45:01) We [Speaker 12] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01) for [Speaker 4] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01) have a plan. [Speaker 12] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01) the insurance. [Speaker 4] (1:45:01 - 1:45:05) So you mean to say if a subject gets spoken about in advance then [Speaker 12] (1:45:05 - 1:45:05) Right. [Speaker 4] (1:45:05 - 1:45:08) it is no longer unforeseen and therefore you can't use the FinCom reserve. [Speaker 12] (1:45:08 - 1:45:08) Right. [Speaker 4] (1:45:08 - 1:45:13) It is not that if you use something unforeseen out of FinCom reserve you can never access FinCom reserve again [Speaker 12] (1:45:13 - 1:45:13) Exactly. [Speaker 4] (1:45:13 - 1:45:14) is what I thought you were saying. [Speaker 7] (1:45:14 - 1:45:15) Oh, but if you're finding [Speaker 4] (1:45:16 - 1:45:20) as soon as you know you're helping bring productions over, you cannot later say, [Speaker 12] (1:45:20 - 1:45:21) Utilize that model. [Speaker 4] (1:45:21 - 1:45:22) oh this [Speaker 12] (1:45:22 - 1:45:22) Alright. [Speaker 4] (1:45:22 - 1:45:28) this was unbudgeted, unforeseen, with health insurance overage, therefore we can use finance. [Speaker 4] (1:45:28 - 1:45:29) Not for nothing, [Speaker 4] (1:45:29 - 1:45:30) but isn't that what happens here? [Speaker 4] (1:45:30 - 1:45:36) I mean, in March we knew that we perhaps although we didn't have a number [Speaker 4] (1:45:37 - 1:45:46) We knew that we could potentially, we did not increase the line item in relation to the suggestion of the GIC's 12 [Speaker 1] (1:45:46 - 1:45:47) You haven't [Speaker 4] (1:45:47 - 1:45:47) to 17%. [Speaker 1] (1:45:47 - 1:45:49) we haven't passed the budget yet. They're saying once [Speaker 4] (1:45:49 - 1:45:49) Oh, [Speaker 1] (1:45:49 - 1:45:50) the budget's passed, [Speaker 4] (1:45:50 - 1:45:50) got it. [Speaker 1] (1:45:50 - 1:45:50) yeah. [Speaker 4] (1:45:50 - 1:45:51) Okay. [Speaker 12] (1:45:51 - 1:45:51) Right. [Speaker 4] (1:45:51 - 1:45:51) Alright, fine. [Speaker 12] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52) Right. [Speaker 12] (1:45:52 - 1:46:04) Once it's passed. So just to get back. So it's it's one of the small what's one of the small buffers that you have in the event you have to overspend any items in a line item. [Speaker 13] (1:46:04 - 1:46:04) item. [Speaker 12] (1:46:05 - 1:46:07) In the town, [Speaker 12] (1:46:07 - 1:46:08) for the town, [Speaker 12] (1:46:08 - 1:46:12) you have to do a shuffle at the end of the year if you're overspending anything. [Speaker 12] (1:46:12 - 1:46:15) So you've got to have something in there as an emergency. [Speaker 4] (1:46:15 - 1:46:18) I totally respect that. I totally understand that. [Speaker 4] (1:46:18 - 1:46:29) And I don't know if reducing it by $35,000 is the answer, but keeping it at $110,000 given the climate and what we're asking taxpayers to... [Speaker 4] (1:46:30 - 1:46:32) to take the brunt of, [Speaker 4] (1:46:32 - 1:46:36) then maybe it makes sense that 110 is not the dollar amount that's appropriate. [Speaker 12] (1:46:36 - 1:46:37) I think so my question, [Speaker 10] (1:46:37 - 1:46:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 12] (1:46:38 - 1:46:42) my point is going to be knowing what we have in our, [Speaker 12] (1:46:42 - 1:46:51) my concerns are knowing the numbers in salary reserve on the town side and not having any buffer. [Speaker 12] (1:46:51 - 1:46:55) This is the skinniest salary reserve I have seen in over 10 years. [Speaker 12] (1:46:57 - 1:46:58) And that's That's [Speaker 4] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58) So I guess [Speaker 12] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58) right. [Speaker 4] (1:46:58 - 1:47:00) we shouldn't go to that line item next then. [Speaker 1] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00) Y [Speaker 12] (1:47:00 - 1:47:02) Well, we can't discuss salary reserve, [Speaker 4] (1:47:02 - 1:47:02) I was just [Speaker 12] (1:47:02 - 1:47:02) so [Speaker 4] (1:47:02 - 1:47:04) being facetious, but [Speaker 10] (1:47:04 - 1:47:09) You know, the other thing to think of is, you know, this year we're facing everyone's facing a lot of uncertainty, [Speaker 10] (1:47:09 - 1:47:15) you know, macroeconomic, you know, micro, and that's the only buffer we have. [Speaker 10] (1:47:15 - 1:47:18) And so if, you know, [Speaker 10] (1:47:18 - 1:47:31) If somehow you know the federal government cut some you know revenue source then that could be something that could offset that or you know unexpectedly right I mean there's a lot of things that that could be used for that we don't know or we can't expect [Speaker 4] (1:47:33 - 1:47:43) But even if we funded at twice the average over the last five years at $90,000, we would still have a savings of $20,000. [Speaker 4] (1:47:45 - 1:47:48) And conservatively speaking, [Speaker 4] (1:47:48 - 1:47:55) that is double what we've used in the last the average of what we used in the last five years. [Speaker 12] (1:47:55 - 1:47:57) All of this is a gamble. [Speaker 4] (1:47:57 - 1:47:58) Right, of [Speaker 12] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58) All [Speaker 4] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58) course. [Speaker 12] (1:47:58 - 1:47:59) of it is projections, [Speaker 12] (1:47:59 - 1:48:02) it's estimates, it's a case of [Speaker 4] (1:48:02 - 1:48:09) You know, once versus needs is a case of what is more valuable to us at a given time, all of it. [Speaker 1] (1:48:09 - 1:48:09) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (1:48:09 - 1:48:15) Every single situation that we're going to come through, each line as we go, line by line, we could have the same conversation. [Speaker 4] (1:48:16 - 1:48:28) Right? But there are some that have more weight. Perhaps this is one of those. Right? I, I completely understand that. I and maybe this isn't one we touch, maybe this is one we should just pass and go to the next. But at some point [Speaker 12] (1:48:29 - 1:48:38) We should go to the next and see what we can, what we can reduce so that we are not just putting the burden squarely on the people that live here, right? [Speaker 4] (1:48:38 - 1:48:39) So [Speaker 12] (1:48:39 - 1:48:40) That's this exercise. [Speaker 4] (1:48:40 - 1:48:41) Go ahead David. [Speaker 1] (1:48:41 - 1:48:41) Ms. [Speaker 1] (1:48:41 - 1:48:45) Harrow, do you have an idea, you talked about the average over the last five years. [Speaker 1] (1:48:46 - 1:48:48) Do you have the high point over the last five years? [Speaker 4] (1:48:49 - 1:48:49) Um, [Speaker 1] (1:48:49 - 1:48:50) The high is 110? [Speaker 1] (1:48:51 - 1:48:52) I'm sorry. [Speaker 4] (1:48:52 - 1:48:58) in in yeah, in in recent um but if I go back further um 323 thousand. [Speaker 4] (1:49:00 - 1:49:09) The highest that was in reserve or the high that highest that got spent out of reserve? Okay. In the last five years the highest you said was one ten. And that's how FinCom got comfortable with going down to [Speaker 2] (1:49:11 - 1:49:15) So I would also say in the last five years we've had an abundance of one time, like grants [Speaker 1] (1:49:15 - 1:49:15) Free cash. [Speaker 2] (1:49:15 - 1:49:22) from right? Yeah. so like the four storm mean for ninety thousand were granted. [Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:23) In our pot. Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:49:24 - 1:49:24) So which we [Speaker 1] (1:49:24 - 1:49:25) Thank you. [Speaker 4] (1:49:25 - 1:49:25) It's just like, [Speaker 1] (1:49:25 - 1:49:26) Which we [Speaker 4] (1:49:26 - 1:49:26) it's just gone. [Speaker 1] (1:49:26 - 1:49:27) which is gone. [Speaker 4] (1:49:27 - 1:49:27) It's [Speaker 1] (1:49:27 - 1:49:27) Alright, [Speaker 4] (1:49:27 - 1:49:27) gone. [Speaker 1] (1:49:27 - 1:49:28) okay. [Speaker 4] (1:49:28 - 1:49:28) So and [Speaker 1] (1:49:28 - 1:49:29) alright, so [Speaker 1] (1:49:30 - 1:49:40) I think that there's, this is still an open discussion as to FINCOM reserve. I think there's not res clear resolve that the idea may be a reduction, but the dollar of the reduction is [Speaker 2] (1:49:40 - 1:49:40) But [Speaker 1] (1:49:40 - 1:49:44) unclear. So maybe if we go to the next line item, get to the end, we can come back to it to [Speaker 2] (1:49:44 - 1:49:44) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:49:44 - 1:49:44) determine [Speaker 2] (1:49:44 - 1:49:44) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:49:44 - 1:49:45) Absolutely. what the gap is. [Speaker 2] (1:49:45 - 1:49:45) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:49:49 - 1:49:50) You're up Vice Chair. [Speaker 5] (1:49:51 - 1:49:57) Okay, so just uh for anyone following, I have like a whole slew [Speaker 5] (1:49:57 - 1:50:15) of one and two thousand dollar cuts, okay. Um and they all add up. Um so put aside that sixty thousand dollar savings, the totality of all these one, two, three and four five thousand dollar cuts that I have, there's like probably fifty of them, [Speaker 6] (1:50:15 - 1:50:15) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:50:15 - 1:50:17) uh add up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars. [Speaker 6] (1:50:19 - 1:50:19) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:50:19 - 1:50:22) Okay, take out the sixty, you basically got two hundred thousand dollars. [Speaker 6] (1:50:22 - 1:50:23) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:50:24 - 1:50:25) So, [Speaker 5] (1:50:27 - 1:50:28) I personally don't think that, [Speaker 5] (1:50:29 - 1:50:32) you know, a lot of these anyone's going to notice much. Um [Speaker 1] (1:50:32 - 1:50:33) Oh, [Speaker 5] (1:50:33 - 1:50:33) but [Speaker 1] (1:50:33 - 1:50:34) does the [Speaker 5] (1:50:34 - 1:50:34) you [Speaker 1] (1:50:34 - 1:50:34) school [Speaker 5] (1:50:34 - 1:50:34) know. [Speaker 1] (1:50:34 - 1:50:36) administrator and Amy have that that list? [Speaker 2] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37) E-mail? [Speaker 7] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:50:38 - 1:50:38) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:50:38 - 1:50:39) They created [Speaker 7] (1:50:39 - 1:50:41) I got it. I even looked at it real close, but I did get the email. [Speaker 1] (1:50:41 - 1:50:42) Okay, so [Speaker 5] (1:50:42 - 1:50:51) So I'm just I'm just giving that preface because it could, you know, so much conceptual. I don't know if we need to necessarily go through every single line or anyone would want to do that, take that approach. But so for example. [Speaker 5] (1:50:51 - 1:50:58) Um there's a line here for uh membership for [Speaker 2] (1:50:58 - 1:50:58) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:50:58 - 1:50:59) the select board, [Speaker 2] (1:50:59 - 1:50:59) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:50:59 - 1:51:01) uh five thousand dollars. [Speaker 8] (1:51:01 - 1:51:03) That's your M_M_A_ membership. [Speaker 5] (1:51:03 - 1:51:06) We have to pay five thousand dollars each of us. [Speaker 8] (1:51:06 - 1:51:10) Unless the town is choosing to not be a member of the Mass Municipal Association. [Speaker 2] (1:51:10 - 1:51:11) What what does that get us? [Speaker 8] (1:51:12 - 1:51:20) that gets you access to all of their resources, their uh seminars, so it's covers the entirety of the town, not just the board members. [Speaker 9] (1:51:21 - 1:51:23) Okay, and do we utilise it? Do we actually [Speaker 1] (1:51:23 - 1:51:23) Yes. [Speaker 9] (1:51:23 - 1:51:23) utilise it? [Speaker 1] (1:51:23 - 1:51:23) Yes. [Speaker 9] (1:51:23 - 1:51:23) Yes. [Speaker 7] (1:51:23 - 1:51:24) Yes. [Speaker 5] (1:51:24 - 1:51:24) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:51:24 - 1:51:24) Yes. Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:51:24 - 1:51:25) Do. [Speaker 8] (1:51:25 - 1:51:25) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 9] (1:51:25 - 1:51:26) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:51:26 - 1:51:26) For sure. [Speaker 7] (1:51:26 - 1:51:27) Yep. [Speaker 9] (1:51:27 - 1:51:27) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:31) So that one would not be able to be cut, 'cause then we would basically be bringing it to zero. [Speaker 9] (1:51:32 - 1:51:32) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:51:35 - 1:51:38) Office supplies. For the for the select board. [Speaker 5] (1:51:39 - 1:51:41) Twenty five hundred dollars. [Speaker 9] (1:51:42 - 1:51:43) Is that to print [Speaker 1] (1:51:43 - 1:51:43) That's [Speaker 9] (1:51:43 - 1:51:44) the stuff? [Speaker 1] (1:51:44 - 1:51:44) the print the warrant [Speaker 8] (1:51:44 - 1:51:45) That's the printing of your town meeting warrant. [Speaker 9] (1:51:45 - 1:51:46) Which I think is [Speaker 5] (1:51:46 - 1:51:46) Just the [Speaker 9] (1:51:46 - 1:51:47) archaic. [Speaker 5] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47) warrant. [Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:51:49 - 1:51:52) And do we is there what's the actual on that every year? [Speaker 8] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52) It's [Speaker 1] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52) We actually [Speaker 8] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52) actually [Speaker 1] (1:51:52 - 1:51:53) spend [Speaker 8] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53) over. [Speaker 1] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53) it all [Speaker 8] (1:51:53 - 1:51:56) So the town clerk covers the other half of the cost. [Speaker 1] (1:51:57 - 1:51:57) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:51:59 - 1:52:01) Do you still want to print the warrant? [Speaker 9] (1:52:02 - 1:52:02) I mean, [Speaker 8] (1:52:02 - 1:52:03) illegally have to print somewhere [Speaker 1] (1:52:03 - 1:52:03) I think [Speaker 9] (1:52:03 - 1:52:04) I think [Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04) we legally [Speaker 9] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04) we legally have to have it. [Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04) required [Speaker 9] (1:52:04 - 1:52:05) So, [Speaker 5] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05) Well, [Speaker 1] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05) to [Speaker 9] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05) is [Speaker 1] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05) do that. [Speaker 5] (1:52:05 - 1:52:06) that okay? [Speaker 9] (1:52:06 - 1:52:06) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:52:06 - 1:52:09) We d maybe don't have to print it and bind it with this [Speaker 9] (1:52:09 - 1:52:09) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:52:09 - 1:52:10) paper, maybe, I [Speaker 8] (1:52:10 - 1:52:11) We [Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11) don't [Speaker 8] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11) we [Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11) know, just suggest [Speaker 8] (1:52:11 - 1:52:18) have to upgrade all the copiers at town hall to be able to print this in house because of its size. [Speaker 1] (1:52:18 - 1:52:19) Okay. [Speaker 9] (1:52:19 - 1:52:20) So we'd send this out to print? [Speaker 8] (1:52:20 - 1:52:21) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 9] (1:52:21 - 1:52:22) Dear God. I can't. [Speaker 7] (1:52:22 - 1:52:23) It's paper. [Speaker 9] (1:52:24 - 1:52:24) I can't. [Speaker 1] (1:52:24 - 1:52:25) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:52:27 - 1:52:31) So then there's uh this is kind of a category. [Speaker 5] (1:52:32 - 1:52:49) So in this context I had a suggestion that all of the quote significant salaries across the board would take a hundred dollar a month cut so [Speaker 9] (1:52:49 - 1:52:49) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:52:51 - 1:52:59) a one thousand two hundred dollar salary reduction for all the significant salaries throughout Town Hall. [Speaker 5] (1:53:00 - 1:53:05) And I think that this, if we're gonna do it here, it actually should happen with the schools as well. [Speaker 9] (1:53:06 - 1:53:08) You're talking those on individual contracts, I assume. [Speaker 5] (1:53:08 - 1:53:08) Yep. [Speaker 9] (1:53:09 - 1:53:13) So you're saying every employee in the schools in the town, [Speaker 5] (1:53:13 - 1:53:13) No, [Speaker 9] (1:53:13 - 1:53:13) all the the town? [Speaker 5] (1:53:13 - 1:53:14) significant you basically people [Speaker 8] (1:53:14 - 1:53:14) See. [Speaker 5] (1:53:14 - 1:53:15) over a hundred thousand dollars. [Speaker 7] (1:53:15 - 1:53:16) That's what it [Speaker 9] (1:53:16 - 1:53:17) Anyone over a hundred thousand dollars. [Speaker 5] (1:53:17 - 1:53:18) Yep. [Speaker 9] (1:53:18 - 1:53:18) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:53:19 - 1:53:19) For your paper. [Speaker 9] (1:53:19 - 1:53:24) But aren't, but the schools are under cont those are contracts. [Speaker 5] (1:53:24 - 1:53:25) Well I d [Speaker 9] (1:53:25 - 1:53:26) And so are ours, ours are [Speaker 5] (1:53:26 - 1:53:26) I [Speaker 9] (1:53:26 - 1:53:27) contracts. [Speaker 5] (1:53:27 - 1:53:28) understand that. Yep. [Speaker 9] (1:53:30 - 1:53:35) I I couldn't I couldn't support that at all at all. I c [Speaker 5] (1:53:36 - 1:53:37) Okay? Well, I mean we're [Speaker 9] (1:53:37 - 1:53:38) I mean the talking rest of [Speaker 5] (1:53:38 - 1:53:38) about [Speaker 9] (1:53:38 - 1:53:39) you might support it, but uh you [Speaker 5] (1:53:39 - 1:53:40) talking about, you know, pretty [Speaker 9] (1:53:40 - 1:53:45) asking employees asking employees to take a you know take a decrease. [Speaker 5] (1:53:46 - 1:53:47) Yep, and we're asking every single, [Speaker 5] (1:53:48 - 1:53:48) you know, [Speaker 5] (1:53:48 - 1:53:50) taxpayer to foot the bill for this. [Speaker 5] (1:53:52 - 1:53:54) Seven eight hundred dollar increase. [Speaker 7] (1:53:55 - 1:53:56) On average. [Speaker 9] (1:53:57 - 1:54:01) If I had suggested just the ones that have bonuses, what is that total? [Speaker 9] (1:54:01 - 1:54:03) Thirty five, fifty thousand dollars, somewhere in that [Speaker 1] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03) Twenty. [Speaker 9] (1:54:03 - 1:54:04) range. [Speaker 9] (1:54:04 - 1:54:05) Just [Speaker 1] (1:54:05 - 1:54:05) Wait. [Speaker 9] (1:54:05 - 1:54:05) the ones that have them. [Speaker 8] (1:54:05 - 1:54:05) So [Speaker 1] (1:54:06 - 1:54:07) Removing bonuses. [Speaker 7] (1:54:08 - 1:54:09) Going forward. [Speaker 1] (1:54:09 - 1:54:11) Going forward, what is it? Twenty thousand? [Speaker 7] (1:54:12 - 1:54:13) It's thirty. [Speaker 8] (1:54:13 - 1:54:13) Yeah, that might. [Speaker 9] (1:54:13 - 1:54:14) I think it's more than that. [Speaker 8] (1:54:15 - 1:54:18) Nope, there's five people with five thousand dollar bonuses. [Speaker 9] (1:54:18 - 1:54:19) Well there's some of ten also. [Speaker 1] (1:54:19 - 1:54:21) Well, we're not talking about discretionary bonus. [Speaker 8] (1:54:21 - 1:54:22) That that was already paid out though. [Speaker 1] (1:54:23 - 1:54:23) Okay. [Speaker 9] (1:54:24 - 1:54:24) That one. [Speaker 8] (1:54:24 - 1:54:26) That one was already paid off. [Speaker 9] (1:54:26 - 1:54:27) That was already taken out? [Speaker 9] (1:54:27 - 1:54:28) Okay. [Speaker 9] (1:54:28 - 1:54:30) So you're saying [Speaker 10] (1:54:30 - 1:54:31) Not the discretion, [Speaker 10] (1:54:31 - 1:54:35) I hope, honest, the line item. What we're talking about is people who already have a contract, [Speaker 9] (1:54:35 - 1:54:35) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 10] (1:54:35 - 1:54:37) we've all negotiated in good faith, [Speaker 9] (1:54:37 - 1:54:37) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 10] (1:54:37 - 1:54:39) and now go back and say, hey, [Speaker 9] (1:54:39 - 1:54:39) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 10] (1:54:39 - 1:54:41) we're taking back that bonus. [Speaker 9] (1:54:41 - 1:54:44) All of those contracts say subject to appropriation, [Speaker 7] (1:54:44 - 1:54:44) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 9] (1:54:44 - 1:54:45) which [Speaker 10] (1:54:45 - 1:54:45) I [Speaker 9] (1:54:45 - 1:54:45) means [Speaker 10] (1:54:45 - 1:54:45) understand. [Speaker 9] (1:54:45 - 1:54:45) appropriation [Speaker 10] (1:54:45 - 1:54:47) I understand what it is. [Speaker 9] (1:54:47 - 1:54:49) funded. When you don't have the money to fund it, [Speaker 10] (1:54:49 - 1:54:49) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 9] (1:54:49 - 1:54:50) they don't get it. [Speaker 5] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50) Because if we [Speaker 9] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50) And [Speaker 5] (1:54:50 - 1:54:51) say [Speaker 9] (1:54:51 - 1:54:56) it doesn't exist in municipalities in municipal life. There is no bonus structure. [Speaker 9] (1:54:57 - 1:55:00) in municipal life. So these that were created by our former T.A. [Speaker 9] (1:55:01 - 1:55:03) should have never existed in the first place. [Speaker 10] (1:55:03 - 1:55:09) I know two contracts that were created that four out of five members of this board voted for in good faith, [Speaker 10] (1:55:09 - 1:55:13) and I think to go back to those two members and say [Speaker 10] (1:55:14 - 1:55:23) We negotiated this, we voted on this, we're giving this to you, and now to go back and say we're taking it back, I think it's I think that is a sign of negotiating in bad faith. [Speaker 5] (1:55:24 - 1:55:25) I disagree, [Speaker 5] (1:55:25 - 1:55:27) Marianne. I understand what you're saying. [Speaker 5] (1:55:27 - 1:55:33) I totally understand what you're saying, but that's putting an intent on it that's absolutely not true. [Speaker 5] (1:55:33 - 1:55:37) There was good faith negotiations at that moment in time. [Speaker 5] (1:55:38 - 1:55:40) Now we are in a circumstance collectively. [Speaker 2] (1:55:41 - 1:55:41) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:55:41 - 1:55:44) where we're going to be making choices, right? [Speaker 2] (1:55:44 - 1:55:44) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (1:55:45 - 1:55:48) I'm sitting here saying have everybody, not everybody, [Speaker 5] (1:55:48 - 1:55:54) but more people keep their job and everybody take a little pain. [Speaker 5] (1:55:55 - 1:56:06) Or you're going to be saying to some people, everyone else, you keep riding the way you are and we're going to let you off and you off and not hire this and not hire that. [Speaker 5] (1:56:06 - 1:56:08) So and we're going to jack up taxes. [Speaker 10] (1:56:08 - 1:56:14) But you're saying everybody take their pain, but the schools aren't in a position to be able to have people take that pain. [Speaker 5] (1:56:14 - 1:56:20) With the types of positions I'm talking about, they have contracts. We have contracts for senior people. [Speaker 5] (1:56:21 - 1:56:22) I mean, I'm not telling them what to do. [Speaker 5] (1:56:23 - 1:56:27) I'm just saying that if we did that, I think that would be the fair thing to do. That's up to them what they do. [Speaker 5] (1:56:28 - 1:56:31) But this is this is a place to go. [Speaker 9] (1:56:35 - 1:56:38) It's just really hard to listen to people, like Dr. [Speaker 9] (1:56:38 - 1:56:45) Andrews, who got up and said, you know, the taxes are going up, everything is going up, and to justify that [Speaker 1] (1:56:45 - 1:56:46) Ciao. [Speaker 9] (1:56:46 - 1:56:47) in saying, [Speaker 9] (1:56:47 - 1:56:54) almost like, too bad, we're still going to pay bonuses, like it is it is a want versus a need, [Speaker 1] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54) Oh, Diane, [Speaker 9] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54) you [Speaker 1] (1:56:54 - 1:56:55) hold on one second. [Speaker 9] (1:56:55 - 1:56:55) know, I I [Speaker 1] (1:56:55 - 1:56:56) have an issue on teams. [Speaker 9] (1:56:57 - 1:56:59) I just I can't [Speaker 9] (1:56:59 - 1:57:06) We could, you know, I under I understand the premise that it's might disappoint some people that have it in their contract, [Speaker 9] (1:57:06 - 1:57:19) you know, or or you know the idea that it's negotiating in bad faith, but when those contracts are executed and that phrase is put in there, that is up to the person that is writing that contract to make it clear what they're reading. [Speaker 9] (1:57:20 - 1:57:24) They are reading a contract that says in the best of times, if we have the money available, [Speaker 9] (1:57:24 - 1:57:28) we are gonna pay you this bonus because we can or we think it it should happen. [Speaker 9] (1:57:28 - 1:57:35) But if we don't, it's subject to appropriation. And if we are telling people we are raising taxes by seven hundred dollars a year, [Speaker 9] (1:57:36 - 1:57:42) that if w if this situation is as dire as we finance and everybody else seems to think it is, [Speaker 9] (1:57:42 - 1:57:45) then how can we in good faith pay bonuses for a select few? [Speaker 9] (1:57:46 - 1:57:50) When we at the same time will turn around and say cut some jobs, [Speaker 9] (1:57:50 - 1:57:55) get rid of some people. How do you do that and not seem like a complete hypocrite? I don't. [Speaker 10] (1:57:55 - 1:58:06) I can answer that is if we've entered into a contract with someone and we've said this is the amount we're going to pay you and you've included in that summary of money. [Speaker 10] (1:58:07 - 1:58:16) is a bonus that is that they could achieve to reach their highest price on that to me that that is the message that we gave these individuals there's [Speaker 9] (1:58:16 - 1:58:16) How [Speaker 10] (1:58:16 - 1:58:16) not [Speaker 9] (1:58:16 - 1:58:16) much [Speaker 10] (1:58:16 - 1:58:23) here is your here is your price and then by the way if you do even higher because I remember with these contracts the actual there was a price [Speaker 10] (1:58:24 - 1:58:27) And then it was backed out to make, to put a bonus [Speaker 9] (1:58:27 - 1:58:27) There there [Speaker 10] (1:58:27 - 1:58:27) one. [Speaker 9] (1:58:27 - 1:58:32) is no metric for these bonuses, Mary Ellen. I've asked that question numerous times to the former TA. [Speaker 9] (1:58:33 - 1:58:34) There is no metric. [Speaker 9] (1:58:34 - 1:58:38) There is no evaluation to decide whether or not someone gets this bonus. [Speaker 9] (1:58:39 - 1:58:40) It is just built in there. [Speaker 9] (1:58:41 - 1:58:45) I've looked at we've all looked at those contracts and we know it says subject to appropriation. [Speaker 9] (1:58:46 - 1:58:54) It is not baked in the base. There's a base salary and then at the end there's a five thousand or ten thousand retention bonus, whatever they wanna call it. [Speaker 10] (1:58:54 - 1:58:54) I think [Speaker 9] (1:58:54 - 1:58:54) There's [Speaker 10] (1:58:54 - 1:58:55) you should no lower [Speaker 9] (1:58:55 - 1:58:55) metric. [Speaker 10] (1:58:55 - 1:58:55) it. [Speaker 10] (1:58:55 - 1:58:55) I don't know. [Speaker 9] (1:58:55 - 1:58:57) They don't have to achieve anything. [Speaker 8] (1:58:57 - 1:58:57) So [Speaker 9] (1:58:57 - 1:58:58) They just have to exist. [Speaker 8] (1:58:58 - 1:58:58) So retention [Speaker 10] (1:58:58 - 1:58:59) That is [Speaker 8] (1:58:59 - 1:58:59) bonuses [Speaker 10] (1:58:59 - 1:58:59) it, [Speaker 8] (1:58:59 - 1:58:59) are [Speaker 10] (1:58:59 - 1:58:59) that's [Speaker 8] (1:58:59 - 1:58:59) different, [Speaker 10] (1:58:59 - 1:59:00) i if you do have two different [Speaker 8] (1:59:00 - 1:59:01) yeah. [Speaker 10] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01) yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01) 'cause the retention bonus [Speaker 9] (1:59:01 - 1:59:03) The retention bonus tells you have to be here. [Speaker 10] (1:59:03 - 1:59:03) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04) So we c we cover [Speaker 1] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04) So we we [Speaker 4] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04) You [Speaker 1] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04) cover have that [Speaker 4] (1:59:04 - 1:59:05) to still be here. [Speaker 2] (1:59:05 - 1:59:14) Right. But that I my understanding in that bonus for the for those individuals is the bonus is subject to the town administrators, [Speaker 2] (1:59:14 - 1:59:17) the town administrators evaluation. Yes, It's [Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:18) it is the a discretionary [Speaker 2] (1:59:18 - 1:59:18) town administrator. [Speaker 1] (1:59:18 - 1:59:21) performance bonus and it is subject to the town [Speaker 5] (1:59:21 - 1:59:26) To go on record, I asked for copies of his evaluations and he never could produce one. [Speaker 5] (1:59:26 - 1:59:31) So let's be clear. Let's be honest about what has been asked and answered. [Speaker 5] (1:59:31 - 1:59:44) I've asked the former town administrator to produce what his metric was to give out those bonuses, and he couldn't. I was told that he didn't even do evaluations for some of these people. [Speaker 5] (1:59:44 - 1:59:46) So what are we talking about here? [Speaker 6] (1:59:47 - 1:59:47) Well, [Speaker 5] (1:59:47 - 1:59:47) How [Speaker 6] (1:59:47 - 1:59:47) we both [Speaker 5] (1:59:47 - 1:59:51) honest are we really being about what we're doing [Speaker 6] (1:59:51 - 1:59:51) right. [Speaker 5] (1:59:51 - 1:59:51) here? [Speaker 6] (1:59:51 - 1:59:54) Well, let's stick with the future and not the past. [Speaker 5] (1:59:54 - 1:59:55) Right. [Speaker 6] (1:59:55 - 1:59:57) So we're talking about going forward, [Speaker 6] (1:59:57 - 1:59:58) what's [Speaker 6] (2:00:00 - 2:00:05) the temperature of whether or not bonuses should be funded at this point. [Speaker 5] (2:00:05 - 2:00:06) I think it's a last resort. [Speaker 5] (2:00:06 - 2:00:07) It's not the first thing I want to cut. [Speaker 5] (2:00:08 - 2:00:14) It certainly is not anything that would make me happy, but I don't know how you can not look at it, how you can just ignore it. [Speaker 5] (2:00:14 - 2:00:19) and pretend that, you know, it it's not there. It's not something that shouldn't be considered. [Speaker 7] (2:00:19 - 2:00:20) I agree. [Speaker 6] (2:00:20 - 2:00:20) Okay. [Speaker 7] (2:00:20 - 2:00:21) I think it should be on the table. [Speaker 6] (2:00:21 - 2:00:22) Alright, [Speaker 7] (2:00:22 - 2:00:22) Sure. [Speaker 6] (2:00:22 - 2:00:24) it's on the table. What else is on the table? [Speaker 7] (2:00:25 - 2:00:26) Um [Speaker 8] (2:00:28 - 2:00:29) I'm just going in order, and it [Speaker 6] (2:00:29 - 2:00:30) Yep, that's fine. [Speaker 2] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30) if anyone else [Speaker 2] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30) Not bad. [Speaker 1] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:00:30 - 2:00:32) I just don't have it in front of me or I would. [Speaker 8] (2:00:32 - 2:00:55) Um so there's a uh under the town accountant there's an educational expense category which is already reduced by a thousand dollars uh nothing personal um but you're so educated already. Um so um is the twenty five hundred dollars uh what would cutting that by five hundred or a thousand dollars? [Speaker 1] (2:00:55 - 2:00:57) I would lose my certifications. [Speaker 1] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57) So [Speaker 8] (2:00:57 - 2:01:00) You have to that entire fee is required for that [Speaker 1] (2:01:00 - 2:01:00) it's [Speaker 2] (2:01:00 - 2:01:01) So will you pay a fee [Speaker 1] (2:01:01 - 2:01:01) the continuing [Speaker 2] (2:01:01 - 2:01:02) to be certified [Speaker 1] (2:01:02 - 2:01:02) education. [Speaker 2] (2:01:02 - 2:01:04) to do your job? I don't mean this offensively, [Speaker 1] (2:01:04 - 2:01:04) No. [Speaker 2] (2:01:04 - 2:01:05) but I'm just putting it out there. [Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:09) Yeah, so it's the certifications that I've attained here. [Speaker 1] (2:01:11 - 2:01:14) So in order to maintain those, that is the cost of it. [Speaker 2] (2:01:16 - 2:01:19) So help me help me understand that. What what certifications are you referring to? [Speaker 1] (2:01:20 - 2:01:29) Um that's the certified governmental so I have to go to um the M-M-A-A-A and then it is the M-C-P-P-O we have continuing education. [Speaker 2] (2:01:29 - 2:01:31) What what is what do each of those cost? [Speaker 1] (2:01:31 - 2:01:31) Hmm? [Speaker 2] (2:01:31 - 2:01:33) What do each of those cost? [Speaker 1] (2:01:33 - 2:01:34) I would I would have to pull it up. [Speaker 2] (2:01:34 - 2:01:35) Okay, but it's [Speaker 1] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:01:35 - 2:01:37) might not necessarily be that total amount. [Speaker 2] (2:01:37 - 2:01:38) Is that fair? [Speaker 1] (2:01:38 - 2:01:42) Mm that's what it was reduced to because that's the cost for the upcoming year. [Speaker 2] (2:01:42 - 2:01:44) Okay, but it was more than that to begin with, [Speaker 1] (2:01:44 - 2:01:45) right? Yes. [Speaker 2] (2:01:46 - 2:01:47) Okay. [Speaker 8] (2:01:48 - 2:01:50) It was thirty five hundred last year. Now it's twenty five hundred. So [Speaker 2] (2:01:50 - 2:01:53) So did they increase in cost or change in cost? [Speaker 1] (2:01:53 - 2:01:57) No um attaining and maintaining are two different costs. [Speaker 6] (2:01:58 - 2:02:00) So you attained last year then? [Speaker 6] (2:02:00 - 2:02:05) Is that why it was at thirty five hundred and then it was reduced to twenty five because now it's in maintenance. [Speaker 6] (2:02:06 - 2:02:06) Okay. [Speaker 8] (2:02:06 - 2:02:07) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:02:07 - 2:02:08) Alright. [Speaker 6] (2:02:08 - 2:02:11) Next, please. [Speaker 8] (2:02:13 - 2:02:22) Contracted consulting services under accountant went down from $3,500 to $3,000 last year to this year. [Speaker 8] (2:02:23 - 2:02:23) What [Speaker 6] (2:02:23 - 2:02:23) Went [Speaker 8] (2:02:23 - 2:02:24) is down that for? [Speaker 6] (2:02:24 - 2:02:25) from what to what? [Speaker 5] (2:02:25 - 2:02:26) $3,500 to $3,000. [Speaker 6] (2:02:26 - 2:02:27) $3,500 to $3,000. [Speaker 8] (2:02:27 - 2:02:27) Yep. [Speaker 8] (2:02:28 - 2:02:29) So what is that for? [Speaker 1] (2:02:29 - 2:02:31) That's for if we need any additional audit work. [Speaker 1] (2:02:31 - 2:02:34) So if there's a specific concern that comes up. [Speaker 1] (2:02:34 - 2:02:38) Um where we can do an additional scope in the audit. [Speaker 5] (2:02:39 - 2:02:41) So that's in addition to the regular annual audit. [Speaker 1] (2:02:41 - 2:02:55) So the annual audit is like the set or normal scope, but if something comes up mid-year, um not not to harp on recreation, but if a concern comes up mid-year, we can add that scope on to do a deeper dive into recreation. [Speaker 5] (2:02:55 - 2:02:57) How often has that happened in the past five years? [Speaker 1] (2:02:58 - 2:02:59) It hasn't. You can zero that if you want. [Speaker 8] (2:03:00 - 2:03:01) All right. [Speaker 6] (2:03:01 - 2:03:03) Thanks, Amy. Team player. [Speaker 8] (2:03:03 - 2:03:07) All right. Do you really think we should, it's either like kind of on or off, the $3,000? [Speaker 6] (2:03:08 - 2:03:08) Like, should we have [Speaker 1] (2:03:08 - 2:03:08) Should [Speaker 6] (2:03:08 - 2:03:08) that [Speaker 1] (2:03:08 - 2:03:08) it be [Speaker 6] (2:03:08 - 2:03:09) one [Speaker 1] (2:03:09 - 2:03:09) reduced? [Speaker 6] (2:03:09 - 2:03:10) thousand? Is it is it zero [Speaker 1] (2:03:10 - 2:03:13) You wouldn't be able to do anything with less than that, so it's [Speaker 6] (2:03:13 - 2:03:14) it is. [Speaker 1] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14) yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:03:14 - 2:03:16) All right, three thousand dollars. [Speaker 8] (2:03:17 - 2:03:17) Sold. [Speaker 8] (2:03:18 - 2:03:18) Um [Speaker 6] (2:03:18 - 2:03:19) I'll take it. [Speaker 6] (2:03:19 - 2:03:20) Is that right? [Speaker 8] (2:03:20 - 2:03:22) Office supplies for your area, [Speaker 8] (2:03:22 - 2:03:22) Amy, [Speaker 8] (2:03:22 - 2:03:24) uh fifteen hundred. Is that [Speaker 1] (2:03:25 - 2:03:25) That's clear. [Speaker 8] (2:03:25 - 2:03:27) clear thing like the warrant or anything or is that just general? [Speaker 8] (2:03:29 - 2:03:29) Thoughtfully. [Speaker 2] (2:03:29 - 2:03:30) Genuinely. [Speaker 6] (2:03:30 - 2:03:33) I meant we already covered the warrant. It's the town clerk and us. [Speaker 8] (2:03:33 - 2:03:36) No, I'm asking if this is something else like that that's [Speaker 6] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36) It's [Speaker 8] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36) mandated. [Speaker 6] (2:03:36 - 2:03:40) for the checks that we have to pay for all our accounts payable. [Speaker 8] (2:03:40 - 2:03:40) Okay, [Speaker 6] (2:03:40 - 2:03:40) So it's [Speaker 8] (2:03:40 - 2:03:41) this is the [Speaker 6] (2:03:41 - 2:03:41) the check [Speaker 8] (2:03:41 - 2:03:41) pre-known [Speaker 6] (2:03:41 - 2:03:42) paper. [Speaker 6] (2:03:42 - 2:03:44) Yeah, it's the check paper and the envelopes. [Speaker 8] (2:03:44 - 2:03:44) Gotcha. [Speaker 2] (2:03:44 - 2:03:44) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (2:03:44 - 2:03:45) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:03:46 - 2:03:48) I'm sure postage is separate I'm gonna guess. [Speaker 6] (2:03:49 - 2:03:50) Postage is in the treasury [Speaker 2] (2:03:50 - 2:03:50) Separate. [Speaker 6] (2:03:50 - 2:03:51) for town line. [Speaker 2] (2:03:51 - 2:03:51) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (2:03:52 - 2:03:54) Conferences and seminars for your area, [Speaker 8] (2:03:54 - 2:03:56) Amy, went up from $2,000 to $2,500. [Speaker 8] (2:03:58 - 2:04:01) Is that are those known definitive required things? [Speaker 6] (2:04:01 - 2:04:01) Yes. [Speaker 8] (2:04:01 - 2:04:02) Yep. [Speaker 5] (2:04:02 - 2:04:04) So do we have to send you to a conference every year? [Speaker 1] (2:04:05 - 2:04:09) So it's the annual education program at UMass Amherst. [Speaker 5] (2:04:10 - 2:04:13) But are we required to send you to that conference? [Speaker 1] (2:04:13 - 2:04:15) Yes, it was in my job description that I have to go. [Speaker 5] (2:04:15 - 2:04:23) It was in your job description, but is it a requirement of the state that you go to that conference every year in order to do your job? [Speaker 1] (2:04:24 - 2:04:24) No. [Speaker 2] (2:04:24 - 2:04:30) We also sent, did we send send um another employee to that conference? Did it come out of this? [Speaker 1] (2:04:30 - 2:04:32) Yes, the assistant goes as well. [Speaker 2] (2:04:32 - 2:04:34) And that's a benefit to the town? [Speaker 1] (2:04:34 - 2:04:47) Mm-hmm, yeah. So she's um so department of revenue uh co-hosts that, so we get all of our updates on legal, legislation, um all of that, and then it's three days full of classes. [Speaker 1] (2:04:49 - 2:04:50) Okay, so maybe [Speaker 6] (2:04:50 - 2:04:50) So [Speaker 1] (2:04:50 - 2:04:51) that's worth it. I mean maybe [Speaker 6] (2:04:51 - 2:04:52) Is it [Speaker 1] (2:04:52 - 2:04:52) that's is a value. [Speaker 6] (2:04:52 - 2:04:53) it really half [Speaker 1] (2:04:53 - 2:04:53) If per diem's [Speaker 6] (2:04:53 - 2:04:53) the cost [Speaker 1] (2:04:53 - 2:04:53) a value. [Speaker 6] (2:04:53 - 2:04:55) is you half the cost is these is [Speaker 5] (2:04:55 - 2:04:56) Yes. [Speaker 6] (2:04:56 - 2:04:59) okay so to be the bad guy in the room just say [Speaker 1] (2:04:59 - 2:04:59) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:04:59 - 2:04:59) it [Speaker 8] (2:04:59 - 2:05:00) We [Speaker 6] (2:05:00 - 2:05:00) but [Speaker 1] (2:05:00 - 2:05:00) can do Oh, [Speaker 8] (2:05:00 - 2:05:00) half [Speaker 1] (2:05:00 - 2:05:00) absolutely. [Speaker 8] (2:05:00 - 2:05:02) one person why not [Speaker 6] (2:05:02 - 2:05:13) and it's not a it's not a forever situation but if we are looking for the dollars and cents if one of you could only go obviously you would go and you would be able to come back and pass on the information or the educational materials often I think [Speaker 6] (2:05:14 - 2:05:19) uh at least in my world one person goes to the conference brings [Speaker 2] (2:05:19 - 2:05:19) Right. [Speaker 6] (2:05:19 - 2:05:23) brings it all back and we all try to gain the benefit that everybody got from going to the conference. [Speaker 1] (2:05:23 - 2:05:23) Yeah. So [Speaker 6] (2:05:23 - 2:05:23) PowerPoint [Speaker 1] (2:05:23 - 2:05:24) we don't go we [Speaker 6] (2:05:24 - 2:05:24) presentation. [Speaker 1] (2:05:24 - 2:05:28) don't go to the same courses because there's four different tracks of material. [Speaker 6] (2:05:28 - 2:05:29) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:05:29 - 2:05:30) Uh but yes. [Speaker 5] (2:05:30 - 2:05:32) So maybe some years one goes, maybe the next [Speaker 8] (2:05:32 - 2:05:32) Right. [Speaker 5] (2:05:32 - 2:05:33) year the other. [Speaker 6] (2:05:33 - 2:05:39) Yes, we would have to alternate if hopefully we don't but in this current situation maybe we reduce that by half. [Speaker 8] (2:05:41 - 2:05:41) Yep. [Speaker 5] (2:05:42 - 2:05:43) There was something's wrong [Speaker 6] (2:05:43 - 2:05:43) That [Speaker 5] (2:05:43 - 2:05:44) with this thing here. Diane. [Speaker 8] (2:05:46 - 2:05:48) And then on the um [Speaker 6] (2:05:48 - 2:05:48) Fifty. [Speaker 8] (2:05:50 - 2:05:53) the audit itself uh is [Speaker 6] (2:05:53 - 2:05:53) That [Speaker 8] (2:05:53 - 2:05:54) that is already [Speaker 6] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54) fixed. [Speaker 8] (2:05:54 - 2:06:00) bid out and we absolutely positively there's no if ands or buts about negotiating that anymore? [Speaker 6] (2:06:00 - 2:06:04) No, this is actually um part of a multi-year agreement with them. [Speaker 9] (2:06:19 - 2:06:20) assessing consulting services. [Speaker 8] (2:06:20 - 2:06:21) Yeah, [Speaker 9] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21) That's [Speaker 8] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21) contracted [Speaker 9] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21) your job. [Speaker 8] (2:06:21 - 2:06:23) consulting services under assessing. [Speaker 6] (2:06:23 - 2:06:24) That's Patriot property. [Speaker 9] (2:06:25 - 2:06:25) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (2:06:25 - 2:06:25) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:06:25 - 2:06:26) That's you have to have. [Speaker 6] (2:06:26 - 2:06:27) Yep. [Speaker 8] (2:06:27 - 2:06:32) And again, like who is, I mean, if when was the last time we bid that out? [Speaker 8] (2:06:34 - 2:06:35) Are there options? [Speaker 2] (2:06:35 - 2:06:38) Pretty tough. There's very few options and there's only one other company. [Speaker 6] (2:06:38 - 2:06:40) There's very few options. Um [Speaker 9] (2:06:40 - 2:06:40) Can we just [Speaker 10] (2:06:40 - 2:06:43) But there is another op, there is another op. [Speaker 9] (2:06:43 - 2:06:44) Is there anything using? [Speaker 9] (2:06:45 - 2:06:45) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:06:48 - 2:06:48) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:06:48 - 2:06:50) I think Patriot Properties does the majority of those [Speaker 1] (2:06:50 - 2:06:51) Hmm? [Speaker 5] (2:06:51 - 2:06:54) things in the state. I think Patriot Properties is the biggest player, [Speaker 8] (2:06:54 - 2:06:54) Right. [Speaker 5] (2:06:54 - 2:06:54) right? [Speaker 8] (2:06:54 - 2:07:00) I mean, do we have a multi-year contract with them right now? We do. So we uh this is a fixed thing right now, [Speaker 6] (2:07:00 - 2:07:00) Yes. [Speaker 5] (2:07:00 - 2:07:00) Yep. [Speaker 8] (2:07:00 - 2:07:01) okay. [Speaker 6] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:07:03 - 2:07:08) So last year educational expenses under assessing were zero. Now they're five hundred. [Speaker 6] (2:07:09 - 2:07:10) So what is that for? [Speaker 1] (2:07:11 - 2:07:16) That is the assumption that your new full-time assessor is going to have to maintain their accreditation. [Speaker 8] (2:07:21 - 2:07:22) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:07:22 - 2:07:25) And then that same assumption is memberships for that full-time assessor. [Speaker 2] (2:07:25 - 2:07:25) Yes. [Speaker 6] (2:07:26 - 2:07:27) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:07:30 - 2:07:30) Back to [Speaker 8] (2:07:30 - 2:07:34) I the have to admit I I skipped over the categories that were less than a thousand to start with. [Speaker 10] (2:07:34 - 2:07:34) All right. [Speaker 6] (2:07:34 - 2:07:34) Well, [Speaker 6] (2:07:35 - 2:07:37) it's not anymore, Doug. Keep going. [Speaker 8] (2:07:37 - 2:07:45) Okay. All right. So I'm down to treasury and collections and uh Danielle's favorite topic, the performance management [Speaker 2] (2:07:45 - 2:07:45) Right. It's [Speaker 8] (2:07:45 - 2:07:45) uh [Speaker 2] (2:07:45 - 2:07:46) all right. [Speaker 8] (2:07:46 - 2:07:46) amount. [Speaker 8] (2:07:47 - 2:07:50) Um so um so that's [Speaker 8] (2:07:50 - 2:07:51) I guess we left [Speaker 6] (2:07:51 - 2:07:51) So, [Speaker 8] (2:07:51 - 2:07:51) this exercise. [Speaker 6] (2:07:51 - 2:07:52) I think we left it, I would say [Speaker 8] (2:07:52 - 2:07:53) Question [Speaker 6] (2:07:53 - 2:07:53) for performance [Speaker 8] (2:07:53 - 2:07:53) mark. [Speaker 6] (2:07:53 - 2:07:55) management we'll skip over and go [Speaker 8] (2:07:55 - 2:07:55) back Yep. [Speaker 6] (2:07:55 - 2:07:58) to them at the end once we have a clear dollar amount, [Speaker 8] (2:07:58 - 2:07:58) Yep. [Speaker 6] (2:07:58 - 2:07:59) if you don't mind. [Speaker 2] (2:08:01 - 2:08:02) Let's see. [Speaker 8] (2:08:03 - 2:08:07) Contracted Consulting Services for Kelly and Ryan. [Speaker 6] (2:08:09 - 2:08:11) Or treasury and collections, thirty seven seven. [Speaker 1] (2:08:11 - 2:08:18) So that is for the excise tax bills and they are the ones who mail out the property tax. [Speaker 2] (2:08:19 - 2:08:21) So can we not do that ourselves, or [Speaker 1] (2:08:22 - 2:08:27) We would have to add a module into MUNIS and the cost of the module would be more than Kelly and Ryan. [Speaker 5] (2:08:27 - 2:08:28) Gotcha. [Speaker 10] (2:08:28 - 2:08:30) So is the mo is the cost of the module a one-time s [Speaker 1] (2:08:30 - 2:08:30) No, [Speaker 10] (2:08:30 - 2:08:31) a one-time [Speaker 1] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31) it's an ongoing [Speaker 10] (2:08:31 - 2:08:32) cost? [Speaker 1] (2:08:32 - 2:08:32) SAS [Speaker 10] (2:08:32 - 2:08:32) It's an ongoing. [Speaker 1] (2:08:32 - 2:08:32) subscription. [Speaker 2] (2:08:32 - 2:08:33) Okay. Yeah. [Speaker 10] (2:08:33 - 2:08:33) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:08:33 - 2:08:36) Can they run it and we can mail it or that's not there's no cost saving [Speaker 1] (2:08:36 - 2:08:43) No, there's no cost savings. And then they also, we benefit from the fact that they have the RMV access to [Speaker 2] (2:08:43 - 2:08:44) Oh yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:08:44 - 2:08:46) access those records for the motor vehicle access. [Speaker 10] (2:08:47 - 2:08:47) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:08:47 - 2:08:47) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:08:48 - 2:08:48) That makes sense. [Speaker 8] (2:08:48 - 2:08:49) And when did we bid that out last? [Speaker 8] (2:08:51 - 2:08:52) Is there anyone else that does [Speaker 5] (2:08:52 - 2:08:52) I [Speaker 8] (2:08:52 - 2:08:52) it? [Speaker 5] (2:08:52 - 2:08:53) don't think there's another player in the [Speaker 8] (2:08:53 - 2:08:53) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:08:53 - 2:08:54) game. I think it's just [Speaker 8] (2:08:54 - 2:08:54) Nice. [Speaker 5] (2:08:54 - 2:08:55) them. Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:08:56 - 2:08:56) Lot the monopolies. [Speaker 10] (2:08:56 - 2:08:57) Is that a business? [Speaker 5] (2:08:57 - 2:08:57) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:08:57 - 2:08:57) Start a business. [Speaker 1] (2:08:57 - 2:08:57) Hmm. [Speaker 4] (2:08:59 - 2:09:01) Uh okay town-wide [Speaker 1] (2:09:01 - 2:09:01) A [Speaker 4] (2:09:01 - 2:09:01) office [Speaker 1] (2:09:01 - 2:09:02) wide office [Speaker 4] (2:09:02 - 2:09:02) supplies [Speaker 1] (2:09:02 - 2:09:03) supply. I knew you were gonna go there. [Speaker 4] (2:09:03 - 2:09:08) was ten thousand last year, down to eight thousand now. Um [Speaker 1] (2:09:08 - 2:09:17) So is the way office supplies are in the budget, that if it's a fixed known cost that is annually hit, you do a line item under each of the budget, but then this covers [Speaker 5] (2:09:17 - 2:09:17) So [Speaker 1] (2:09:17 - 2:09:18) all other costs? [Speaker 5] (2:09:19 - 2:09:29) So what we did a few years ago was, um well, I was going through the budget, I got annoyed by the fact that everyone had, you know, [Speaker 5] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30) Yeah, everybody's five thousand [Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30) always need [Speaker 5] (2:09:30 - 2:09:31) dollars [Speaker 1] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31) to buy paper [Speaker 5] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31) of [Speaker 1] (2:09:31 - 2:09:32) clips, we [Speaker 5] (2:09:32 - 2:09:32) office [Speaker 1] (2:09:32 - 2:09:32) could buy [Speaker 5] (2:09:32 - 2:09:32) supplies [Speaker 1] (2:09:32 - 2:09:33) one amount of paper clips. [Speaker 1] (2:09:34 - 2:09:34) Yep. [Speaker 5] (2:09:34 - 2:09:39) And we just had you know everyone had their own little collective hordes of pens and [Speaker 1] (2:09:39 - 2:09:39) Right. [Speaker 5] (2:09:39 - 2:10:00) notepads. So a few years ago we um found an empty space in Town Hall and ran around with a dolly and stole everyone's supplies and consolidated it and now at a streamline that only uh two people in Town Hall can order any supplies. So the five year average is low because that was me stealing from everyone else to [Speaker 5] (2:10:01 - 2:10:02) consolidate town hall. [Speaker 1] (2:10:02 - 2:10:03) Great. [Speaker 4] (2:10:03 - 2:10:06) So we think you can get another thousand savings here instead of eight, get the seven. [Speaker 5] (2:10:07 - 2:10:16) So this is pretty much where it's at so that eight is the savings um of all the discretionary that we could cut. [Speaker 1] (2:10:17 - 2:10:18) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:10:19 - 2:10:19) Unfortunately [Speaker 1] (2:10:19 - 2:10:19) We're not [Speaker 5] (2:10:19 - 2:10:19) still [Speaker 1] (2:10:19 - 2:10:20) buying the [Speaker 5] (2:10:20 - 2:10:20) very paper heavy. [Speaker 1] (2:10:20 - 2:10:22) buying the off-brand Post-its already? [Speaker 5] (2:10:22 - 2:10:22) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (2:10:22 - 2:10:22) Right. [Speaker 1] (2:10:22 - 2:10:23) Is that what you're saying? [Speaker 6] (2:10:23 - 2:10:23) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:10:23 - 2:10:24) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:10:24 - 2:10:25) We actually have enough Post [Speaker 6] (2:10:25 - 2:10:25) You're [Speaker 5] (2:10:25 - 2:10:25) -it using that we [Speaker 6] (2:10:25 - 2:10:26) WB Mason, [Speaker 5] (2:10:26 - 2:10:26) I [Speaker 6] (2:10:26 - 2:10:26) you're using. [Speaker 5] (2:10:26 - 2:10:33) have so many pens that I don't think, I think they will all dry up before they can be used. Our previous town clerk had [Speaker 5] (2:10:34 - 2:10:35) cases of them. [Speaker 1] (2:10:36 - 2:10:40) Well, so there's no wiggle room here, you're saying? [Speaker 6] (2:10:40 - 2:10:40) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:10:40 - 2:10:41) Not even a thousand. [Speaker 5] (2:10:43 - 2:10:46) Now the largest part of that is buying the copier paper. [Speaker 7] (2:10:48 - 2:10:50) And you you procure that I mean that's [Speaker 5] (2:10:50 - 2:10:50) a Mm [Speaker 7] (2:10:50 - 2:10:50) bid right [Speaker 5] (2:10:50 - 2:10:50) -hmm. [Speaker 7] (2:10:50 - 2:10:51) so yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:10:53 - 2:10:55) The next thing is the postage. [Speaker 5] (2:10:55 - 2:10:56) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (2:10:56 - 2:10:58) It goes up by three thousand, [Speaker 4] (2:10:58 - 2:11:01) because stamp price are going up. [Speaker 5] (2:11:01 - 2:11:02) Yep. [Speaker 5] (2:11:02 - 2:11:09) And every time we do a town meeting we have to mail it out and it goes by the weight of the warrant. So having special [Speaker 4] (2:11:09 - 2:11:10) Which is legally [Speaker 5] (2:11:10 - 2:11:10) and multiple town [Speaker 4] (2:11:10 - 2:11:11) required [Speaker 5] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11) meetings [Speaker 4] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11) that we [Speaker 7] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11) We [Speaker 4] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11) mail it. [Speaker 7] (2:11:11 - 2:11:12) mail it yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:11:12 - 2:11:13) we are required by law to mail them. [Speaker 8] (2:11:14 - 2:11:16) We saved a few this year. [Speaker 5] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16) Hmm? [Speaker 8] (2:11:16 - 2:11:20) We saved a few. A few uh town hall workers that work. [Speaker 5] (2:11:20 - 2:11:21) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (2:11:21 - 2:11:21) Town meeting members [Speaker 4] (2:11:21 - 2:11:22) Any deliveries? [Speaker 8] (2:11:22 - 2:11:22) were just getting about. [Speaker 4] (2:11:22 - 2:11:23) He specifies. [Speaker 1] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23) yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:11:23 - 2:11:25) yeah. We try to hand out what we [Speaker 7] (2:11:25 - 2:11:25) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (2:11:25 - 2:11:25) can. [Speaker 7] (2:11:25 - 2:11:26) it was well [Speaker 8] (2:11:26 - 2:11:26) Stationery [Speaker 7] (2:11:26 - 2:11:26) printed. [Speaker 1] (2:11:26 - 2:11:26) I [Speaker 8] (2:11:26 - 2:11:26) dolls. [Speaker 7] (2:11:26 - 2:11:26) Great. [Speaker 1] (2:11:26 - 2:11:28) picked up John's, [Speaker 5] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28) Mm-hmm, [Speaker 1] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28) appreciate [Speaker 5] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28) yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:11:28 - 2:11:29) the postage there. [Speaker 4] (2:11:29 - 2:11:31) Well, I mean we do with the beach stickers. I mean people [Speaker 7] (2:11:31 - 2:11:31) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:11:31 - 2:11:31) come and [Speaker 1] (2:11:31 - 2:11:31) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:11:31 - 2:11:33) pick up their town meeting warrant. [Speaker 1] (2:11:34 - 2:11:36) But if we're legally required to postage it then. [Speaker 4] (2:11:37 - 2:11:38) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:11:40 - 2:11:48) All right, into the information technology, uh computer maintenance, library computer maintenance. [Speaker 5] (2:11:50 - 2:11:52) That was um for the [Speaker 4] (2:11:52 - 2:11:57) Oh actually no, skip that. Um that was only five. Equip uh a p there's [Speaker 5] (2:11:57 - 2:11:57) Blackberry equipment [Speaker 4] (2:11:57 - 2:11:57) another category equipment [Speaker 5] (2:11:57 - 2:11:58) maintenance. [Speaker 4] (2:11:58 - 2:11:58) equipment maintenance. [Speaker 4] (2:11:59 - 2:12:03) Thirty six thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars. Is that a very specific contract or [Speaker 5] (2:12:03 - 2:12:04) That is a contract, yes. [Speaker 1] (2:12:06 - 2:12:08) And what they come and maintain, [Speaker 1] (2:12:08 - 2:12:16) the printers, the copiers, the things at town hall that get utilized by, not just by library, I mean, by library staff and the public who come in to utilize those. [Speaker 5] (2:12:16 - 2:12:17) Yeah, that's so this [Speaker 4] (2:12:17 - 2:12:20) This is general actually, it's under I_T_ in general. [Speaker 1] (2:12:20 - 2:12:21) Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it was library. [Speaker 5] (2:12:21 - 2:12:25) this is um I_T_ for every department, so police, [Speaker 1] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25) Right. [Speaker 5] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25) fire, [Speaker 1] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:12:25 - 2:12:28) library, senior centre, town hall. [Speaker 7] (2:12:30 - 2:12:31) How often are we going out to bid for [Speaker 8] (2:12:31 - 2:12:31) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (2:12:31 - 2:12:32) copiers? [Speaker 5] (2:12:32 - 2:12:48) We're actually going out to bid um soon because we it's very piecemeal right now. We have six different companies and it's always just six because each what they had previous done was as each machine came up they would bid the one machine. [Speaker 7] (2:12:48 - 2:12:48) Oh god. [Speaker 5] (2:12:48 - 2:12:49) Um [Speaker 7] (2:12:49 - 2:12:52) So there's no buying power. There's no volume discounts. [Speaker 5] (2:12:52 - 2:12:52) No, [Speaker 8] (2:12:52 - 2:12:52) Uh [Speaker 5] (2:12:52 - 2:12:53) so [Speaker 8] (2:12:53 - 2:12:53) no. [Speaker 5] (2:12:53 - 2:12:57) so what we've uh I've been working with our procurement officer to [Speaker 5] (2:12:58 - 2:13:00) put together a bid to try to get [Speaker 7] (2:13:00 - 2:13:00) To [Speaker 5] (2:13:00 - 2:13:00) one. [Speaker 7] (2:13:00 - 2:13:01) refine it, right. [Speaker 4] (2:13:02 - 2:13:04) So that would be is that this category equipment maintenance? [Speaker 5] (2:13:05 - 2:13:07) Um that one is [Speaker 4] (2:13:07 - 2:13:08) Is that the copiers? [Speaker 5] (2:13:08 - 2:13:10) yes, that's our copiers. [Speaker 4] (2:13:10 - 2:13:12) Okay, so we're gonna bid that this year [Speaker 5] (2:13:13 - 2:13:13) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (2:13:13 - 2:13:14) and [Speaker 7] (2:13:14 - 2:13:14) Would [Speaker 4] (2:13:14 - 2:13:14) we don't [Speaker 7] (2:13:14 - 2:13:14) you anticipate [Speaker 4] (2:13:14 - 2:13:15) think we get any [Speaker 7] (2:13:15 - 2:13:15) saving? [Speaker 4] (2:13:15 - 2:13:15) savings at all? [Speaker 5] (2:13:16 - 2:13:19) As of right now, it's not anticipated that we're gonna get savings in the first year. [Speaker 5] (2:13:23 - 2:13:24) I hope that we will. [Speaker 7] (2:13:25 - 2:13:27) Even off the state contracts, really? [Speaker 7] (2:13:29 - 2:13:29) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:13:30 - 2:13:30) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:13:32 - 2:13:34) Uh another big category, financial systems. [Speaker 5] (2:13:35 - 2:13:35) That's Munis, [Speaker 7] (2:13:35 - 2:13:35) Munis. [Speaker 5] (2:13:35 - 2:13:36) for the town of school. [Speaker 4] (2:13:37 - 2:13:41) And it's going up by six thousand dollars, absolutely positively nothing we can do about it. [Speaker 7] (2:13:41 - 2:13:43) Is that licenses or is that just renewal? [Speaker 5] (2:13:43 - 2:13:44) That's the renewal. [Speaker 7] (2:13:45 - 2:13:47) Is that who negotiates that or how do you [Speaker 5] (2:13:47 - 2:13:49) We Munis does not negotiate. [Speaker 7] (2:13:49 - 2:13:50) don't negotiate it. [Speaker 5] (2:13:50 - 2:13:51) Munis assesses. [Speaker 7] (2:13:52 - 2:13:55) They are not the only player in the game, though. There is one on the company. [Speaker 5] (2:13:55 - 2:13:57) I know, but they are the the gold star. [Speaker 7] (2:13:58 - 2:13:58) Yeah, they are. [Speaker 5] (2:14:00 - 2:14:01) Okay, next. [Speaker 4] (2:14:01 - 2:14:03) I_T_ contract services. [Speaker 4] (2:14:04 - 2:14:05) Going up by five thousand. [Speaker 7] (2:14:05 - 2:14:06) Is that high cub? [Speaker 5] (2:14:06 - 2:14:06) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (2:14:07 - 2:14:09) And what is the thought process on that, because the [Speaker 5] (2:14:10 - 2:14:11) F_Y_ twenty six is the last year of the contract. [Speaker 7] (2:14:11 - 2:14:13) Okay, so that will go up for bid. [Speaker 5] (2:14:13 - 2:14:14) So we can go up for bid then. [Speaker 4] (2:14:14 - 2:14:16) Oh, this is locked in. [Speaker 1] (2:14:18 - 2:14:18) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:14:23 - 2:14:25) Uh software police. [Speaker 1] (2:14:25 - 2:14:27) The I'm sorry, if I could just take one second. [Speaker 4] (2:14:27 - 2:14:27) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:14:27 - 2:14:29) The phone system contract services, [Speaker 4] (2:14:29 - 2:14:29) Hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:14:29 - 2:14:31) the eighteen, when does that go up? When is that up? [Speaker 7] (2:14:31 - 2:14:32) Is that haiku as well? [Speaker 5] (2:14:32 - 2:14:37) That is um that has four more years left on the contract. So it was a five year contract signed last year. [Speaker 1] (2:14:38 - 2:14:41) Okay. Thank you. Alright. [Speaker 4] (2:14:42 - 2:14:43) Software police. [Speaker 5] (2:14:45 - 2:14:53) Yep, so that is the actual cost of their contract. So this is um their, a lab tech, this is the um [Speaker 5] (2:14:55 - 2:14:56) mugshot software that [Speaker 7] (2:14:56 - 2:14:57) The background and [Speaker 5] (2:14:57 - 2:14:57) yeah. [Speaker 7] (2:14:57 - 2:14:58) the uh yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:14:59 - 2:14:59) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:15:00 - 2:15:04) So I assume fire you're gonna say the same thing but with a different acronym, [Speaker 5] (2:15:04 - 2:15:05) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:15:05 - 2:15:10) and then public records was zero and is now six thousand, because now we're getting a software provider? [Speaker 5] (2:15:11 - 2:15:19) Yes, so this was the request of both the police chief and the town clerk, um because with the volume of public records requests that we're getting by [Speaker 7] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (2:15:19 - 2:15:32) having the software, it will actually save a an abundance of staff time, specifically on the police, and it will also allow them to re-access um what was given. So if there's repeat requests, it's already there. [Speaker 7] (2:15:33 - 2:15:34) Does this because of the body cameras? [Speaker 7] (2:15:35 - 2:15:37) Does this have to do with a lot of the body camera? [Speaker 5] (2:15:37 - 2:15:39) It ha yeah, it has to do with all public records. [Speaker 5] (2:15:40 - 2:15:52) Um so the police chief actually had two I_T_ requests. One was actually much more expensive and I was like I can't promise you anything, but if you had to pick one and very surprising to me he picked this one. [Speaker 7] (2:15:52 - 2:15:52) Oh. [Speaker 5] (2:15:52 - 2:15:57) Um and since it was supported by multiple departments, that was why this went forward. [Speaker 1] (2:15:57 - 2:15:58) Makes sense. Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:16:00 - 2:16:04) Next category is uh wireless phones. We already did [Speaker 1] (2:16:04 - 2:16:04) Done. [Speaker 4] (2:16:04 - 2:16:04) that. [Speaker 1] (2:16:04 - 2:16:04) We've already done [Speaker 4] (2:16:04 - 2:16:04) We [Speaker 1] (2:16:04 - 2:16:04) that. [Speaker 4] (2:16:04 - 2:16:05) got three thousand. [Speaker 7] (2:16:05 - 2:16:05) Fun. [Speaker 4] (2:16:05 - 2:16:08) Um so uh software building. [Speaker 5] (2:16:09 - 2:16:15) Yep, so this is um open gov so when you do your permitting, um that is done through that software. [Speaker 4] (2:16:16 - 2:16:19) Contract locked in, non-negotiable. [Speaker 4] (2:16:19 - 2:16:19) S [Speaker 1] (2:16:24 - 2:16:24) Software [Speaker 4] (2:16:24 - 2:16:25) Software license [Speaker 1] (2:16:25 - 2:16:25) license [Speaker 4] (2:16:25 - 2:16:25) and [Speaker 1] (2:16:25 - 2:16:25) subscriptions subscriptions. [Speaker 4] (2:16:25 - 2:16:26) subscription. [Speaker 1] (2:16:26 - 2:16:27) Gone up. [Speaker 5] (2:16:28 - 2:16:29) 'Cause that is [Speaker 1] (2:16:29 - 2:16:29) House. [Speaker 5] (2:16:29 - 2:16:34) every other SaaS subscription that the town has. Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:16:41 - 2:16:46) Okay, so thirty five thousand for telephones most departments. What is that if that [Speaker 5] (2:16:46 - 2:16:46) That [Speaker 1] (2:16:46 - 2:16:47) is not the serva [Speaker 5] (2:16:47 - 2:16:52) that is every telephone not in town hall. Like landline phone. [Speaker 7] (2:16:53 - 2:16:53) Wait, [Speaker 5] (2:16:53 - 2:16:53) And [Speaker 7] (2:16:53 - 2:16:55) wait wait wait wait. What what? [Speaker 7] (2:16:56 - 2:17:00) The landline phones like at the library or like off-site locations? [Speaker 5] (2:17:00 - 2:17:02) Yeah, police Yeah. and fire [Speaker 7] (2:17:02 - 2:17:03) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:17:03 - 2:17:04) senior centre library, [Speaker 5] (2:17:05 - 2:17:07) and it also has the um internet lines. [Speaker 7] (2:17:07 - 2:17:08) Gotcha. [Speaker 4] (2:17:08 - 2:17:08) We have that. [Speaker 1] (2:17:08 - 2:17:10) Thirty five thousand dollars. [Speaker 7] (2:17:10 - 2:17:10) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:17:10 - 2:17:14) And how when was the last time we bid that? Or [Speaker 1] (2:17:16 - 2:17:16) what's the contract for that? [Speaker 5] (2:17:17 - 2:17:19) I think Ron did that right before he left, so twenty one. [Speaker 7] (2:17:19 - 2:17:20) Oh god, that was a long time [Speaker 1] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20) That [Speaker 7] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20) ago. [Speaker 1] (2:17:20 - 2:17:21) just seems... okay. [Speaker 4] (2:17:22 - 2:17:22) Hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:17:23 - 2:17:25) Alright. Doug what else on that list? [Speaker 4] (2:17:26 - 2:17:28) Do you think we're locked in on that one? [Speaker 7] (2:17:28 - 2:17:30) We can't be if it's that long ago. [Speaker 4] (2:17:30 - 2:17:30) Alright. [Speaker 7] (2:17:33 - 2:17:35) So it's a it's a area for [Speaker 5] (2:17:35 - 2:17:35) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (2:17:35 - 2:17:37) potential examination, right. [Speaker 4] (2:17:37 - 2:17:40) You wanna recognise Mr Andrews? Release the telephone guy. [Speaker 1] (2:17:41 - 2:17:42) Sure, Mr Andrews, go ahead. [Speaker 1] (2:17:43 - 2:17:47) Could you just approach the mic though because people at home will wanna hear what you have to say too. Thank you. [Speaker 1] (2:17:51 - 2:17:53) I don't want to go too deep down this rabbit hole, but if you have something [Speaker 9] (2:17:54 - 2:17:55) So [Speaker 1] (2:17:55 - 2:17:55) helpful. [Speaker 9] (2:17:55 - 2:18:03) a hundred and twenty thousand on software licenses, how many employees do we have, and how much software per employee is that? [Speaker 7] (2:18:05 - 2:18:06) That's a great question. [Speaker 1] (2:18:06 - 2:18:11) So are you hinting at that maybe not everybody needs a license and we could reduce the number of licenses we have? [Speaker 9] (2:18:12 - 2:18:17) I'm hinting at having done due diligence on buying three companies over the last two years. [Speaker 7] (2:18:17 - 2:18:18) Right. [Speaker 9] (2:18:19 - 2:18:23) Um that's always a line item where you go look at it and you go oh we're not using that, [Speaker 9] (2:18:23 - 2:18:24) there's that. [Speaker 7] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 9] (2:18:24 - 2:18:28) So a hundred and twenty thousand, right? You might wanna double click on that, would be [Speaker 1] (2:18:28 - 2:18:29) Double click, I like your [Speaker 9] (2:18:29 - 2:18:29) suggestion. [Speaker 1] (2:18:29 - 2:18:30) pun. [Speaker 7] (2:18:30 - 2:18:30) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:18:31 - 2:18:32) Um thank you. [Speaker 1] (2:18:33 - 2:18:35) So maybe we can do you're [Speaker 5] (2:18:35 - 2:18:36) Reducing [Speaker 1] (2:18:36 - 2:18:48) not going to have that answer today obviously tonight but if we can make sure that each license or subscription has been utilized in the last 30 days or if not that it has a reason not to be utilized in the last 30 days and it so that we're not paying. [Speaker 7] (2:18:48 - 2:18:50) Terminated employees have a license still they're [Speaker 1] (2:18:50 - 2:18:50) Sometimes [Speaker 7] (2:18:50 - 2:18:50) trying to find [Speaker 1] (2:18:50 - 2:18:54) you uncover that you accidentally have a license of somebody that's been gone for a year. [Speaker 2] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55) Yes. [Speaker 1] (2:18:55 - 2:18:59) nobody else is using it. So let's see if maybe we can find something there. [Speaker 1] (2:18:59 - 2:19:03) Thank you, Mister Andrews. Um next, Doug. [Speaker 4] (2:19:03 - 2:19:05) F the telephones, I [Speaker 1] (2:19:05 - 2:19:05) Thirty [Speaker 4] (2:19:05 - 2:19:05) mean [Speaker 1] (2:19:05 - 2:19:05) five. [Speaker 4] (2:19:05 - 2:19:12) I can't imagine if something hasn't been bid out in five years that in that type of area that you couldn't get some savings. [Speaker 4] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14) If [Speaker 1] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14) Well [Speaker 4] (2:19:14 - 2:19:15) it's not under contract. [Speaker 5] (2:19:16 - 2:19:20) Yeah, I don't know how many options we have because it's Verizon. [Speaker 5] (2:19:20 - 2:19:22) So I don't know how well it services. [Speaker 5] (2:19:23 - 2:19:24) We can definitely look. [Speaker 4] (2:19:24 - 2:19:26) This is for the service or the the [Speaker 5] (2:19:26 - 2:19:26) The service. [Speaker 4] (2:19:26 - 2:19:27) service. [Speaker 4] (2:19:28 - 2:19:28) The service. [Speaker 1] (2:19:29 - 2:19:30) Not the physical phone. [Speaker 4] (2:19:30 - 2:19:30) Ah. [Speaker 6] (2:19:30 - 2:19:31) It's like the Verizon bill. [Speaker 4] (2:19:31 - 2:19:32) Uh [Speaker 5] (2:19:32 - 2:19:32) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:19:32 - 2:19:32) oh. [Speaker 1] (2:19:34 - 2:19:35) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:19:35 - 2:19:36) Alright. Um [Speaker 1] (2:19:36 - 2:19:42) Well, normally when my Verizon bill goes up, I call them and I say I'm gonna cancel and they'll take ten percent off. So maybe we try that here. [Speaker 6] (2:19:43 - 2:19:44) We're subject [Speaker 1] (2:19:44 - 2:19:44) What do you think [Speaker 6] (2:19:44 - 2:19:44) to a [Speaker 1] (2:19:44 - 2:19:44) next? [Speaker 6] (2:19:44 - 2:19:46) discount for having the cell phones also. [Speaker 1] (2:19:46 - 2:19:46) Yep. [Speaker 6] (2:19:46 - 2:19:50) So, as well as the I_T_ I mean the tech i impact. internet, sorry. [Speaker 5] (2:19:50 - 2:19:51) It's bundle. [Speaker 6] (2:19:51 - 2:19:52) Yeah, exactly. [Speaker 1] (2:19:54 - 2:19:55) So let's [Speaker 4] (2:19:55 - 2:19:55) Okay, [Speaker 1] (2:19:55 - 2:19:55) see. [Speaker 4] (2:19:55 - 2:20:02) I'm down to, I'm skipping the parking enforcement area, although that would be a whole other conversation. [Speaker 6] (2:20:02 - 2:20:03) That's yeah, that's a stipend I think. [Speaker 4] (2:20:03 - 2:20:07) So I'm down to town council contract. [Speaker 6] (2:20:08 - 2:20:09) Ah, yes. [Speaker 6] (2:20:12 - 2:20:17) This is something that we could potentially go out for bid for, correct? [Speaker 5] (2:20:17 - 2:20:17) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (2:20:17 - 2:20:22) And we probably should, and I don't think we have in a decent amount of time? [Speaker 5] (2:20:22 - 2:20:26) I think Katie was involved the last time. [Speaker 1] (2:20:26 - 2:20:29) Yep, David and I were involved. [Speaker 4] (2:20:29 - 2:20:30) Ah, yes. [Speaker 1] (2:20:30 - 2:20:31) Yes. [Speaker 1] (2:20:31 - 2:20:37) And it would be great to understand what... [Speaker 1] (2:20:38 - 2:20:40) I don't know that a cost ever came out of that. [Speaker 1] (2:20:41 - 2:20:46) There was meant to be a conversation about cost and I don't know that that information ever trickled back to us. [Speaker 1] (2:20:46 - 2:21:01) If there would be a increase in cost but also an increase in professional services we never got to that point in that process so happy to take that back up but [Speaker 4] (2:21:03 - 2:21:04) But I don't think that's anything [Speaker 1] (2:21:04 - 2:21:04) Not [Speaker 4] (2:21:04 - 2:21:04) we need [Speaker 1] (2:21:04 - 2:21:04) going to [Speaker 4] (2:21:04 - 2:21:04) to solve resolve. [Speaker 1] (2:21:04 - 2:21:05) a problem by Monday, [Speaker 6] (2:21:05 - 2:21:05) No. [Speaker 1] (2:21:05 - 2:21:20) for sure, and not interested in under funding this particular line item, especially if we're under funding the FinCom salaries, I mean the FinCom reserve because as projects come up or issues come up [Speaker 4] (2:21:22 - 2:21:26) Yeah, but right now we've got a sixty thousand dollar increase programmed in. [Speaker 6] (2:21:26 - 2:21:27) Right, because of an increase in their rates, [Speaker 5] (2:21:27 - 2:21:28) Based [Speaker 6] (2:21:28 - 2:21:28) right? [Speaker 5] (2:21:28 - 2:21:29) based off the actual spend. [Speaker 6] (2:21:30 - 2:21:31) Oh, [Speaker 5] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) So, [Speaker 6] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) that [Speaker 7] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) Oh, [Speaker 5] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) it [Speaker 6] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) was [Speaker 7] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) based [Speaker 6] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) just [Speaker 5] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31) it [Speaker 6] (2:21:31 - 2:21:32) that [Speaker 7] (2:21:32 - 2:21:32) on [Speaker 6] (2:21:32 - 2:21:32) was just [Speaker 7] (2:21:32 - 2:21:32) the usage? [Speaker 6] (2:21:32 - 2:21:32) a budget. [Speaker 5] (2:21:33 - 2:21:33) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:21:33 - 2:21:34) That was just budget. [Speaker 5] (2:21:34 - 2:21:34) But [Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:34) Well, it here's [Speaker 5] (2:21:34 - 2:21:35) was it [Speaker 1] (2:21:35 - 2:21:35) the thing, though. [Speaker 5] (2:21:35 - 2:21:41) was budgeted short last year on the thought that it was going to be shopped around last year, [Speaker 1] (2:21:41 - 2:21:41) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (2:21:41 - 2:21:42) And then it never [Speaker 5] (2:21:42 - 2:21:42) and [Speaker 7] (2:21:42 - 2:21:42) was. [Speaker 5] (2:21:42 - 2:21:42) then [Speaker 6] (2:21:42 - 2:21:42) Never [Speaker 5] (2:21:42 - 2:21:43) didn't. [Speaker 6] (2:21:43 - 2:21:43) was. [Speaker 7] (2:21:43 - 2:21:43) Right. [Speaker 4] (2:21:43 - 2:21:47) So what about d what about just going to 225 instead of 250? [Speaker 1] (2:21:47 - 2:21:47) Well, [Speaker 1] (2:21:47 - 2:21:51) I would venture to say that maybe if we overspent, that's on us. [Speaker 4] (2:21:51 - 2:21:52) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52) And [Speaker 4] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52) that's right. [Speaker 1] (2:21:52 - 2:21:54) that we need to hold ourselves to the same. [Speaker 6] (2:21:55 - 2:21:56) mm-hmm [Speaker 1] (2:21:56 - 2:21:56) So [Speaker 6] (2:21:56 - 2:21:56) right [Speaker 4] (2:21:56 - 2:21:56) So, [Speaker 1] (2:21:56 - 2:21:59) lots of these that we're holding our other department heads to, which is you don't have the money, [Speaker 1] (2:21:59 - 2:22:00) you can't do that. [Speaker 4] (2:22:00 - 2:22:00) Right. [Speaker 6] (2:22:00 - 2:22:02) madam chair that's right someone [Speaker 1] (2:22:02 - 2:22:03) So then [Speaker 6] (2:22:03 - 2:22:04) you will enforce that [Speaker 1] (2:22:04 - 2:22:16) maybe we think about reducing it at least to Doug's point 225 or maybe leave it at 190 and say we need to be more discretionary with the way we're using our funds. [Speaker 1] (2:22:17 - 2:22:21) I think there were a lot of projects last year that probably went out. [Speaker 1] (2:22:22 - 2:22:24) With a lot of questions to town council, [Speaker 1] (2:22:24 - 2:22:28) I don't think that we misused any of that, [Speaker 6] (2:22:28 - 2:22:28) No, [Speaker 1] (2:22:28 - 2:22:28) but [Speaker 6] (2:22:28 - 2:22:33) I think there was a lot of access to legal that might not have been controlled, [Speaker 6] (2:22:33 - 2:22:34) right? [Speaker 6] (2:22:34 - 2:22:37) I think we allow a lot of committee board chairs, [Speaker 6] (2:22:37 - 2:22:39) things of that nature, [Speaker 6] (2:22:39 - 2:22:43) to have more flexibility than probably they should in this financial climate, [Speaker 6] (2:22:43 - 2:22:44) right? [Speaker 6] (2:22:44 - 2:22:46) That's my experience. [Speaker 1] (2:22:47 - 2:22:47) I [Speaker 5] (2:22:47 - 2:22:47) So [Speaker 1] (2:22:47 - 2:22:47) would, [Speaker 5] (2:22:47 - 2:22:49) maybe I would just caution that [Speaker 1] (2:22:49 - 2:22:49) yeah, [Speaker 5] (2:22:49 - 2:22:53) we are going to be utilizing legal for large [Speaker 4] (2:22:53 - 2:22:53) Contracts. [Speaker 6] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54) Negotiation. [Speaker 5] (2:22:54 - 2:22:55) re collective bargaining [Speaker 6] (2:22:55 - 2:22:55) Of [Speaker 5] (2:22:55 - 2:22:55) reasons. [Speaker 6] (2:22:55 - 2:22:55) course. [Speaker 1] (2:22:55 - 2:22:56) lawsuits. [Speaker 5] (2:22:56 - 2:22:56) Negotiation. [Speaker 1] (2:22:56 - 2:22:57) Three CBS, [Speaker 6] (2:22:57 - 2:22:57) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:22:57 - 2:22:58) which we didn't [Speaker 8] (2:22:58 - 2:23:02) And have. the five-year average on this line is $234,000. [Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08) Doug? [Speaker 6] (2:23:09 - 2:23:09) I wouldn't. [Speaker 4] (2:23:09 - 2:23:11) I still hold with reducing it 25. [Speaker 5] (2:23:12 - 2:23:13) Twenty four. [Speaker 4] (2:23:13 - 2:23:17) If it's a five-year average, just that must have included some C_V_A_ um years [Speaker 8] (2:23:17 - 2:23:17) Yep. [Speaker 4] (2:23:17 - 2:23:21) ago. So thirty four, a little bit more discipline. [Speaker 6] (2:23:21 - 2:23:30) At some point we have to be accountable for how much we spend. Like it you know, i the same way that we have to hold each department accountable, [Speaker 4] (2:23:30 - 2:23:31) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:23:31 - 2:23:32) right? We can't just pick and choose. [Speaker 6] (2:23:33 - 2:23:41) And I don't think we've done a really good job of doing that, right? So I think it's a little bit I agree. I think there's a little more discipline that needs to go. [Speaker 6] (2:23:42 - 2:23:43) So [Speaker 1] (2:23:43 - 2:23:43) I [Speaker 6] (2:23:43 - 2:23:43) we'll [Speaker 1] (2:23:43 - 2:23:59) I would support reducing it to 225, but I think that makes me reconsider some of the depreciation in the income line item because if we're making if we're losing all the fat on every single one of these [Speaker 6] (2:23:59 - 2:23:59) Sure. [Speaker 1] (2:23:59 - 2:24:01) then you need a reserve. [Speaker 6] (2:24:01 - 2:24:01) Or somewhere. [Speaker 4] (2:24:01 - 2:24:01) of somewhere. [Speaker 4] (2:24:01 - 2:24:02) But we can't do that. [Speaker 4] (2:24:03 - 2:24:04) We can't [Speaker 1] (2:24:04 - 2:24:05) I'm not, it's not apples to apples though, [Speaker 1] (2:24:05 - 2:24:17) Doug. I'm not saying let's take twenty five out of here and put twenty five there. I'm saying let's take twenty five out of here and make sure that there is still something there and n that we're not reducing that to zero for a buffer over the five year average. [Speaker 4] (2:24:18 - 2:24:20) I understand, but we should just be aware like [Speaker 4] (2:24:20 - 2:24:23) If we run over on this, we can't take it out of Finance Committee reserve. [Speaker 9] (2:24:24 - 2:24:25) Oh, because it's not [Speaker 6] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25) Right, [Speaker 9] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25) on [Speaker 5] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25) We [Speaker 9] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25) your [Speaker 5] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25) can't [Speaker 9] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25) so budget. [Speaker 5] (2:24:25 - 2:24:26) take it off anyway, [Speaker 9] (2:24:26 - 2:24:26) Well, [Speaker 5] (2:24:26 - 2:24:28) right, so it would have to come out of the shuffle in [Speaker 1] (2:24:28 - 2:24:28) we'll come [Speaker 5] (2:24:28 - 2:24:28) the [Speaker 1] (2:24:28 - 2:24:28) in [Speaker 5] (2:24:28 - 2:24:28) year. [Speaker 1] (2:24:28 - 2:24:30) the shuffle. I mean, [Speaker 5] (2:24:30 - 2:24:32) There's not going to be any Assuming other. there's no emergency that year that you [Speaker 1] (2:24:32 - 2:24:32) assuming [Speaker 5] (2:24:32 - 2:24:32) utilize. [Speaker 1] (2:24:32 - 2:24:37) there's no emergency, whatever was in there drops anyways to the shuffle and then we reallocate it, [Speaker 1] (2:24:37 - 2:24:38) right? [Speaker 1] (2:24:38 - 2:24:44) So, okay, so is there a straw poll consensus over reducing [Speaker 4] (2:24:44 - 2:24:45) Here we're [Speaker 1] (2:24:45 - 2:24:45) by [Speaker 4] (2:24:45 - 2:24:45) 25. [Speaker 1] (2:24:45 - 2:24:45) 25? [Speaker 6] (2:24:46 - 2:24:46) I am, [Speaker 6] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47) yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:24:47 - 2:24:48) I'm enough. [Speaker 5] (2:24:48 - 2:24:49) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:24:49 - 2:24:53) I'd reduce b to the five-year average, so I'd be reducing by fifteen. [Speaker 6] (2:24:53 - 2:24:56) You have to remember the five year there's a increase in the retainer. [Speaker 6] (2:24:57 - 2:24:59) The retainer fee is going up this year too. [Speaker 6] (2:25:00 - 2:25:02) But not necessarily if you're going with a different firm. [Speaker 6] (2:25:04 - 2:25:06) Right, that could entirely change depending on who you go with. [Speaker 10] (2:25:09 - 2:25:10) Might not be the right time to change one because [Speaker 6] (2:25:10 - 2:25:11) We're [Speaker 10] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11) of the [Speaker 6] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11) we're [Speaker 10] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11) contract. [Speaker 6] (2:25:11 - 2:25:12) at three CBAs. [Speaker 10] (2:25:13 - 2:25:13) Just [Speaker 1] (2:25:13 - 2:25:14) one Well, [Speaker 10] (2:25:14 - 2:25:14) page. [Speaker 1] (2:25:14 - 2:25:16) you know it would have been a great time to change two years ago, but here we are. So [Speaker 6] (2:25:16 - 2:25:17) Uh-huh. [Speaker 1] (2:25:17 - 2:25:20) Okay, so is the recommendation fifteen then? [Speaker 4] (2:25:20 - 2:25:21) That's David. [Speaker 8] (2:25:21 - 2:25:22) That was my, [Speaker 4] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22) That's [Speaker 8] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22) twenty five. [Speaker 4] (2:25:22 - 2:25:23) that's mine. Daniel? [Speaker 6] (2:25:24 - 2:25:28) I mean I I I would go either way, but I could I could certainly [Speaker 1] (2:25:28 - 2:25:33) Why don't uh may I propose we start at fifteen and add a fifteen thousand dollar saving [Speaker 6] (2:25:33 - 2:25:34) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:25:34 - 2:25:34) to that line item? [Speaker 1] (2:25:35 - 2:25:36) Somebody writing all these down? [Speaker 4] (2:25:36 - 2:25:36) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:25:36 - 2:25:43) I'll let you make okay great. And we start there and we see where that gets us. And if we have to dip back, we dip back. [Speaker 4] (2:25:44 - 2:25:44) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:25:45 - 2:25:45) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:25:45 - 2:25:54) Moving right along. Uh human resources, professional development town-wide. Uh seven thousand last year and this year. [Speaker 6] (2:25:54 - 2:25:55) What does that entail? [Speaker 6] (2:25:56 - 2:25:57) Mm-hmm. Which is that in [Speaker 5] (2:25:57 - 2:25:57) Professional [Speaker 6] (2:25:57 - 2:25:57) general? [Speaker 5] (2:25:57 - 2:25:58) development That is [Speaker 6] (2:25:58 - 2:25:59) What is the P_D_ for? [Speaker 5] (2:25:59 - 2:26:02) any professional development, um so [Speaker 6] (2:26:03 - 2:26:05) Can you give me an example of what it is they go to? [Speaker 5] (2:26:05 - 2:26:15) So our previous assessor um wanted to take courses to get the certification um so she went to the town administrator and sought requests and was able to utilize that. [Speaker 10] (2:26:16 - 2:26:17) Well [Speaker 4] (2:26:17 - 2:26:18) Could we get away with a thousand less? [Speaker 5] (2:26:19 - 2:26:22) Depends on how professionally developed you want your staff to be. [Speaker 4] (2:26:24 - 2:26:25) This is not a required [Speaker 1] (2:26:25 - 2:26:25) Is it always [Speaker 4] (2:26:25 - 2:26:25) thing, [Speaker 1] (2:26:25 - 2:26:25) depleted [Speaker 6] (2:26:25 - 2:26:25) No, [Speaker 4] (2:26:25 - 2:26:26) right? [Speaker 1] (2:26:26 - 2:26:26) every [Speaker 6] (2:26:26 - 2:26:27) but it's one of his needs, [Speaker 1] (2:26:27 - 2:26:27) It's depleted [Speaker 6] (2:26:27 - 2:26:28) yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:26:28 - 2:26:28) every year? [Speaker 5] (2:26:29 - 2:26:29) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:26:29 - 2:26:32) So every year for the last five years this has gone down to zero. [Speaker 1] (2:26:32 - 2:26:33) There's been no money left in it. [Speaker 5] (2:26:34 - 2:26:39) It's fluctuated. We've also increased that amount over the years because [Speaker 1] (2:26:39 - 2:26:40) Um more [Speaker 6] (2:26:40 - 2:26:41) More people [Speaker 1] (2:26:41 - 2:26:41) expensive, [Speaker 6] (2:26:41 - 2:26:41) say they want to go to more [Speaker 1] (2:26:41 - 2:26:42) yeah, [Speaker 6] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42) courses. [Speaker 1] (2:26:42 - 2:26:43) professionally developed. [Speaker 6] (2:26:43 - 2:26:59) Yeah, sure, but what it where's the limitation, right? Where's the you know, is this is this job required? Is this job related? Who's doing the double-check to see that the course they're taking is applicable to the job they're doing? You know, there's all these checks and balances. Is that happening for every single request, [Speaker 1] (2:26:59 - 2:26:59) Yes. [Speaker 6] (2:26:59 - 2:27:01) right? And who's making the determination? [Speaker 6] (2:27:02 - 2:27:03) So, is it you? [Speaker 1] (2:27:04 - 2:27:04) Is it you? [Speaker 5] (2:27:04 - 2:27:05) I'm I'm one of the people [Speaker 4] (2:27:05 - 2:27:05) Okay, [Speaker 5] (2:27:05 - 2:27:05) here. [Speaker 4] (2:27:05 - 2:27:05) that's it. [Speaker 6] (2:27:05 - 2:27:06) Right, [Speaker 4] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06) Yes. [Speaker 6] (2:27:06 - 2:27:10) so, you know, are you really gonna say no to someone that works for you that they wanna go to a conference, maybe? You know what I mean? [Speaker 10] (2:27:10 - 2:27:10) Oh yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:27:10 - 2:27:11) Say no to a lot of people. [Speaker 1] (2:27:11 - 2:27:12) Oh. [Speaker 6] (2:27:12 - 2:27:15) Okay, you know. Um so it just it seems like, [Speaker 6] (2:27:16 - 2:27:19) you know, subjective a [Speaker 1] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (2:27:19 - 2:27:22) right. Judgement judgement is required? I don't know. I don't [Speaker 4] (2:27:22 - 2:27:24) So I propose a one thousand dollar decrease there. [Speaker 1] (2:27:30 - 2:27:31) I d I don't have an issue with that. [Speaker 6] (2:27:31 - 2:27:31) No. [Speaker 5] (2:27:32 - 2:27:33) Oh no, it's on. [Speaker 4] (2:27:33 - 2:27:34) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:27:34 - 2:27:36) Okay, so that's a thousand dollars. [Speaker 4] (2:27:37 - 2:27:50) And employee recognition uh was seven fifty five hundred last year and now has been reduced to three thousand and uh Finance Committee recommended budget and Accounting Administrator's budget. [Speaker 4] (2:27:50 - 2:27:51) Um [Speaker 1] (2:27:51 - 2:27:56) Now this is non-contractual employee recogni recognition, correct? [Speaker 5] (2:27:56 - 2:27:58) Yeah, so this is like the assistant [Speaker 1] (2:27:58 - 2:27:58) Someone [Speaker 5] (2:27:58 - 2:27:58) library [Speaker 1] (2:27:58 - 2:27:58) goes above and [Speaker 5] (2:27:58 - 2:27:59) director just [Speaker 1] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59) beyond. [Speaker 5] (2:27:59 - 2:28:00) hit forty years [Speaker 6] (2:28:00 - 2:28:01) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (2:28:01 - 2:28:10) um so they, you know, were able to recognise her and look at what they got her. When Gino hit twenty years he got [Speaker 5] (2:28:11 - 2:28:12) A little placard. [Speaker 10] (2:28:12 - 2:28:13) Pat in the back. [Speaker 5] (2:28:14 - 2:28:14) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:28:14 - 2:28:17) You can intern down at my straight art. [Speaker 1] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18) That's what you got. [Speaker 5] (2:28:18 - 2:28:19) He got more responsibility. [Speaker 1] (2:28:20 - 2:28:21) Alright. [Speaker 4] (2:28:21 - 2:28:22) Okay so maybe that's enough. [Speaker 10] (2:28:22 - 2:28:22) I think it's enough. [Speaker 4] (2:28:22 - 2:28:23) I'm not going to cut their piece of crystal [Speaker 10] (2:28:23 - 2:28:23) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:28:23 - 2:28:24) land. [Speaker 10] (2:28:24 - 2:28:24) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:28:24 - 2:28:24) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:28:24 - 2:28:27) Yeah, I mean the listen, part of this is morale too, right? [Speaker 4] (2:28:27 - 2:28:27) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:28:27 - 2:28:27) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:28:27 - 2:28:30) So like if employees don't feel recognized, they don't stay. [Speaker 6] (2:28:30 - 2:28:30) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:28:30 - 2:28:31) And we're already cutting some [Speaker 8] (2:28:31 - 2:28:31) This [Speaker 1] (2:28:31 - 2:28:31) of the other places. [Speaker 8] (2:28:31 - 2:28:34) is this is two hundred and fifty dollars a month to have [Speaker 6] (2:28:34 - 2:28:34) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (2:28:34 - 2:28:36) an ice cream or pizza party or [Speaker 6] (2:28:36 - 2:28:36) Right. [Speaker 8] (2:28:36 - 2:28:39) some type of recognition at town hall for [Speaker 1] (2:28:39 - 2:28:39) To be honest [Speaker 8] (2:28:39 - 2:28:40) a job [Speaker 1] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40) though, [Speaker 8] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40) well done. [Speaker 1] (2:28:40 - 2:28:47) to be honest, I think you don't fund this and you put any more put more funding into professional development because if you want people [Speaker 1] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49) like a pizza [Speaker 1] (2:29:08 - 2:29:09) But that's just my opinion. [Speaker 2] (2:29:09 - 2:29:11) Depends, certain people are motivated by different [Speaker 4] (2:29:11 - 2:29:12) Mm [Speaker 2] (2:29:12 - 2:29:12) things. [Speaker 4] (2:29:12 - 2:29:12) -hmm. [Speaker 5] (2:29:12 - 2:29:13) Yeah, there's a balance. [Speaker 5] (2:29:13 - 2:29:13) There's a balance. [Speaker 1] (2:29:13 - 2:29:14) Fair. [Speaker 5] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14) You're [Speaker 1] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14) All [Speaker 5] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14) right. [Speaker 1] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14) right. There's a balance. [Speaker 2] (2:29:14 - 2:29:15) I don't know. You know, [Speaker 1] (2:29:15 - 2:29:17) But all right. So we'll leave it as this for now. [Speaker 2] (2:29:17 - 2:29:18) because I won't. [Speaker 2] (2:29:19 - 2:29:20) I like my answer. [Speaker 5] (2:29:22 - 2:29:22) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:29:22 - 2:29:25) I mean, we've depleted the employee assistance program. [Speaker 2] (2:29:26 - 2:29:26) Yes. [Speaker 1] (2:29:26 - 2:29:28) It was at 5,000 and that went to zero and [Speaker 2] (2:29:28 - 2:29:28) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (2:29:28 - 2:29:28) that program [Speaker 2] (2:29:28 - 2:29:28) it was [Speaker 1] (2:29:28 - 2:29:29) did. [Speaker 2] (2:29:29 - 2:29:30) 10, it went to 5 and now zero. [Speaker 1] (2:29:30 - 2:29:31) And what did that program do? [Speaker 5] (2:29:33 - 2:29:34) That's that's when [Speaker 6] (2:29:34 - 2:29:34) You [Speaker 5] (2:29:34 - 2:29:35) you have you have all sorts of [Speaker 6] (2:29:35 - 2:29:35) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:29:35 - 2:29:37) different employee needs, [Speaker 1] (2:29:37 - 2:29:37) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (2:29:37 - 2:29:39) you you're so employees have someone to call [Speaker 6] (2:29:39 - 2:29:39) Being called. [Speaker 5] (2:29:39 - 2:29:43) if they're having trouble at home, they uh you know it maybe it uh referral [Speaker 2] (2:29:43 - 2:29:43) Substance [Speaker 5] (2:29:43 - 2:29:44) for a divorce lawyer [Speaker 2] (2:29:44 - 2:29:44) violence, substance [Speaker 5] (2:29:44 - 2:29:45) uh [Speaker 2] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45) abuse. [Speaker 5] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45) yeah, you [Speaker 1] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:29:45 - 2:29:46) you got all sorts [Speaker 1] (2:29:46 - 2:29:49) I'm just saying, does it make more sense to put that money into that programme? [Speaker 2] (2:29:50 - 2:29:51) How often is that utilised? [Speaker 1] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51) How how often [Speaker 2] (2:29:51 - 2:29:52) What's was probably that not [Speaker 1] (2:29:52 - 2:29:52) utilised? [Speaker 2] (2:29:52 - 2:29:52) even the metrics It in there. [Speaker 6] (2:29:52 - 2:29:56) was it was our determination to not fund [Speaker 1] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56) To work. [Speaker 6] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56) that and then instead [Speaker 1] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56) Okay. Nevermind. [Speaker 6] (2:29:56 - 2:29:57) fund the other lines. [Speaker 2] (2:29:57 - 2:29:59) Yeah, so not utilised. [Speaker 5] (2:30:00 - 2:30:12) Okay, so the next uh big category is I'm going down to the salary reserve, um which I know is difficult uh to discuss. Um [Speaker 2] (2:30:15 - 2:30:19) There is no room in this. Eric, do you have a something here? [Speaker 5] (2:30:20 - 2:30:21) It's [Speaker 2] (2:30:21 - 2:30:21) But [Speaker 5] (2:30:21 - 2:30:21) gone [Speaker 2] (2:30:21 - 2:30:21) if you up have a [Speaker 5] (2:30:21 - 2:30:21) this [Speaker 2] (2:30:21 - 2:30:21) question [Speaker 5] (2:30:21 - 2:30:22) it's [Speaker 2] (2:30:22 - 2:30:22) somehow. [Speaker 5] (2:30:22 - 2:30:26) gone up by a hundred and seventeen thousand dollars, but, you know, obviously we [Speaker 2] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26) We have three [Speaker 5] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26) we got three [Speaker 2] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26) CVs. [Speaker 5] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26) CVs [Speaker 2] (2:30:26 - 2:30:27) And three [Speaker 5] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27) in the units. news. [Speaker 1] (2:30:27 - 2:30:28) That's gone up by more than that, [Speaker 5] (2:30:28 - 2:30:28) Because [Speaker 1] (2:30:28 - 2:30:29) right? [Speaker 5] (2:30:29 - 2:30:30) it's three CVs [Speaker 1] (2:30:30 - 2:30:30) Because it was that [Speaker 6] (2:30:30 - 2:30:30) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (2:30:30 - 2:30:30) thirty [Speaker 6] (2:30:30 - 2:30:30) I [Speaker 2] (2:30:30 - 2:30:31) I [Speaker 6] (2:30:31 - 2:30:31) I [Speaker 2] (2:30:31 - 2:30:31) three units. [Speaker 6] (2:30:31 - 2:30:33) cannot look at a prior year [Speaker 5] (2:30:33 - 2:30:33) Yep. [Speaker 6] (2:30:33 - 2:30:34) trends [Speaker 2] (2:30:34 - 2:30:35) It looks on like that's not in [Speaker 1] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35) Yeah, [Speaker 2] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35) it at all. [Speaker 1] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35) that's a [Speaker 5] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:30:35 - 2:30:36) A quick [Speaker 1] (2:30:36 - 2:30:40) that's gone up by two hundred and twenty thousand dollars, right? [Speaker 5] (2:30:40 - 2:30:42) No, from one forty to two fifty seven. [Speaker 1] (2:30:42 - 2:30:42) Where do you see [Speaker 2] (2:30:42 - 2:30:42) A hundred [Speaker 1] (2:30:42 - 2:30:43) one forty? [Speaker 2] (2:30:43 - 2:30:44) and seventeen thousand. [Speaker 1] (2:30:44 - 2:30:45) Your budget book has [Speaker 5] (2:30:45 - 2:30:46) Thirty. [Speaker 1] (2:30:46 - 2:30:47) thirty thousand nine [Speaker 2] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47) Seventeen. [Speaker 1] (2:30:47 - 2:30:48) sixty eight. [Speaker 5] (2:30:49 - 2:30:50) Hmm. [Speaker 6] (2:30:51 - 2:30:52) What are we? Sorry. [Speaker 1] (2:30:52 - 2:30:53) I'm sorry, [Speaker 1] (2:30:53 - 2:30:53) same thing. [Speaker 5] (2:30:53 - 2:30:54) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:30:54 - 2:30:54) You're warrant you're [Speaker 5] (2:30:54 - 2:30:55) I'm under [Speaker 1] (2:30:55 - 2:30:55) warrant [Speaker 5] (2:30:55 - 2:30:58) salary reserve and the end of employment section, and then [Speaker 1] (2:30:58 - 2:30:58) Yep. [Speaker 5] (2:30:58 - 2:30:59) the salary reserve line itself. [Speaker 1] (2:30:59 - 2:31:03) Oh, you mean the total the total line item 19. You're looking at the blue line across. [Speaker 1] (2:31:04 - 2:31:05) You're not looking at the individual. [Speaker 5] (2:31:05 - 2:31:05) so it's [Speaker 1] (2:31:05 - 2:31:06) Okay, [Speaker 5] (2:31:06 - 2:31:06) it's [Speaker 1] (2:31:06 - 2:31:06) I'm [Speaker 5] (2:31:06 - 2:31:06) in a [Speaker 1] (2:31:06 - 2:31:06) sorry. [Speaker 5] (2:31:06 - 2:31:07) spreadsheet. [Speaker 5] (2:31:07 - 2:31:07) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:31:12 - 2:31:14) If you look at page five, [Speaker 5] (2:31:14 - 2:31:15) So, yep. [Speaker 1] (2:31:15 - 2:31:15) the second [Speaker 1] (2:31:16 - 2:31:18) section of the budget. [Speaker 2] (2:31:20 - 2:31:22) The cell reserve two five seven six one eight? [Speaker 1] (2:31:22 - 2:31:22) The salary [Speaker 5] (2:31:22 - 2:31:22) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:31:22 - 2:31:26) reserve was thirty thousand nine sixty eight. And [Speaker 2] (2:31:26 - 2:31:26) So we were then [Speaker 5] (2:31:26 - 2:31:27) Oh right. [Speaker 2] (2:31:27 - 2:31:28) Now we have [Speaker 1] (2:31:28 - 2:31:32) Yes. Sorry, you were saying was only a hundred and fourteen thousand dollar difference, but that's not [Speaker 5] (2:31:36 - 2:31:37) Huh. That's weird. [Speaker 5] (2:31:38 - 2:31:39) Just on this sheet [Speaker 2] (2:31:39 - 2:31:40) Sheet is different? [Speaker 5] (2:31:40 - 2:31:44) it says a hundred and forty thousand for last for twenty twenty five. [Speaker 6] (2:31:46 - 2:31:52) It was originally budgeted at $140, and then at last special when you um when town meeting [Speaker 6] (2:31:53 - 2:32:08) authorized the collective bargaining agreement um that reduced it, and then in article three of this town meeting we are transferring money out of salary reserves to fund the contracts that were already voted earlier this year. [Speaker 6] (2:32:09 - 2:32:11) Um so $140 was the original appropriation. [Speaker 6] (2:32:12 - 2:32:15) Much like the finance committee reserve, you can't spend from this, it only transfers out. [Speaker 5] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:32:17 - 2:32:17) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:32:17 - 2:32:18) That was pretty impressive, eh? [Speaker 6] (2:32:19 - 2:32:19) I try. [Speaker 6] (2:32:20 - 2:32:22) It's all that professional development. [Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:25) Or pizza. [Speaker 2] (2:32:27 - 2:32:27) Right. [Speaker 5] (2:32:28 - 2:32:28) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:32:28 - 2:32:29) Yes. [Speaker 1] (2:32:29 - 2:32:30) So, I [Speaker 5] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30) Anyways, a big [Speaker 1] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30) mean, [Speaker 5] (2:32:30 - 2:32:31) increase, [Speaker 1] (2:32:31 - 2:32:32) I, I, I [Speaker 5] (2:32:32 - 2:32:32) yeah, so. [Speaker 1] (2:32:32 - 2:32:39) feel like yes, there's a big increase. There's a lot of things in here we can't discuss that are warranted and that we. [Speaker 1] (2:32:40 - 2:32:42) Did not hyperbolize that line item in [Speaker 2] (2:32:42 - 2:32:43) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (2:32:43 - 2:32:43) No. [Speaker 1] (2:32:43 - 2:32:50) any way and that that's we hope that is conservative. It's probably less than conservative at this point. [Speaker 2] (2:32:52 - 2:32:53) It's conservative. [Speaker 1] (2:32:53 - 2:32:53) It's conservative very [Speaker 5] (2:32:53 - 2:32:54) Uh-huh. [Speaker 1] (2:32:54 - 2:32:54) I let's [Speaker 5] (2:32:54 - 2:32:55) think it's more optimistic than [Speaker 1] (2:32:55 - 2:32:55) So [Speaker 5] (2:32:55 - 2:32:55) conservative. [Speaker 1] (2:32:55 - 2:32:56) oh sh okay. [Speaker 5] (2:32:56 - 2:32:58) Well, let let lebraldania g [Speaker 5] (2:32:58 - 2:33:01) Right. that's that's a lot of telegraphing right here. So um okay. [Speaker 2] (2:33:03 - 2:33:04) It's optimistic. [Speaker 1] (2:33:04 - 2:33:06) Optimistic. Optimistically conservative. [Speaker 2] (2:33:06 - 2:33:06) I can't even [Speaker 1] (2:33:06 - 2:33:06) Moving [Speaker 2] (2:33:06 - 2:33:06) put [Speaker 1] (2:33:06 - 2:33:06) on. [Speaker 2] (2:33:06 - 2:33:07) up with the warrant. [Speaker 2] (2:33:07 - 2:33:09) Do we print it but not mail it? [Speaker 2] (2:33:10 - 2:33:11) Do we [Speaker 6] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11) No, [Speaker 2] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11) legally [Speaker 6] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11) we [Speaker 5] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11) No. [Speaker 6] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11) we [Speaker 2] (2:33:11 - 2:33:15) print it and not mail it and have people pick it up or give them the option for that? [Speaker 6] (2:33:15 - 2:33:17) We are required to [Speaker 2] (2:33:17 - 2:33:18) To physically mail it? [Speaker 6] (2:33:18 - 2:33:19) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:33:20 - 2:33:23) Yeah, we've obviously made exceptions like select board members and staff, [Speaker 6] (2:33:24 - 2:33:24) but [Speaker 1] (2:33:24 - 2:33:26) The... sorry, [Speaker 1] (2:33:26 - 2:33:27) the next one, [Speaker 1] (2:33:27 - 2:33:27) Doug. [Speaker 5] (2:33:28 - 2:33:39) I was hopping down to town clerk, uh this end of employment school town uh performance management's already zeroed out. End of employment school and town I just assume are [Speaker 2] (2:33:39 - 2:33:40) Retirements. [Speaker 5] (2:33:40 - 2:33:42) mathematical [Speaker 6] (2:33:42 - 2:33:42) Yes. [Speaker 5] (2:33:42 - 2:33:43) certainties. So [Speaker 6] (2:33:44 - 2:33:47) Yeah, but the school provides theirs to us and [Speaker 5] (2:33:47 - 2:33:48) Yep. [Speaker 6] (2:33:48 - 2:33:49) we do ours as well. [Speaker 2] (2:33:49 - 2:33:49) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:33:49 - 2:33:54) So the uh FinCom has already recommended a [Speaker 1] (2:33:55 - 2:34:02) seventeen thousand dollar reduction for the pole-workers section. And so [Speaker 1] (2:34:04 - 2:34:09) when we're talking about our reductions to get to the school number, we [Speaker 2] (2:34:09 - 2:34:10) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:34:10 - 2:34:18) should include that if we agree with FinCom, correct? Because what the town administrator recommended, or unless you figured out a way to spend that some other way. [Speaker 5] (2:34:18 - 2:34:20) We've got to get beyond. [Speaker 5] (2:34:21 - 2:34:26) The Finance Committee recommended we've gotta find another 130 thousand dollars. We can't count what they already [Speaker 1] (2:34:28 - 2:34:28) Right. [Speaker 5] (2:34:28 - 2:34:28) found. [Speaker 2] (2:34:30 - 2:34:32) Right, so it's a red you that would right. [Speaker 1] (2:34:33 - 2:34:33) Eric, [Speaker 5] (2:34:33 - 2:34:33) That number. [Speaker 1] (2:34:33 - 2:34:36) you wanna say something? It's on the tip of your tongue. [Speaker 7] (2:34:36 - 2:34:36) Right. [Speaker 7] (2:34:36 - 2:34:36) Yes. [Speaker 1] (2:34:36 - 2:34:36) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:34:39 - 2:34:41) Well, you just you just you took seventeen out of there? [Speaker 1] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42) Seven, [Speaker 7] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42) Yes, [Speaker 1] (2:34:42 - 2:34:43) yeah. [Speaker 7] (2:34:43 - 2:34:48) we we asked the c because there's less elections this year. [Speaker 5] (2:34:48 - 2:34:48) I [Speaker 1] (2:34:48 - 2:34:49) Yep, I got [Speaker 7] (2:34:49 - 2:34:49) And [Speaker 1] (2:34:49 - 2:34:49) it. [Speaker 7] (2:34:49 - 2:34:51) we talked to the town clerk or [Speaker 2] (2:34:51 - 2:34:51) I'm good with that. [Speaker 7] (2:34:51 - 2:34:53) Amy talked to the town clerk and that's the number. [Speaker 5] (2:34:54 - 2:35:03) So there's an other comp section in the town clerk area? Is this the contractual stuff or [Speaker 6] (2:35:03 - 2:35:05) It it is in the employment contract, yes. [Speaker 5] (2:35:07 - 2:35:07) So that's [Speaker 2] (2:35:07 - 2:35:07) Dare [Speaker 5] (2:35:07 - 2:35:07) the same [Speaker 2] (2:35:07 - 2:35:08) I say that [Speaker 5] (2:35:08 - 2:35:08) category. [Speaker 2] (2:35:08 - 2:35:09) bonus word again? [Speaker 5] (2:35:09 - 2:35:10) Yes, that's the same category. [Speaker 7] (2:35:10 - 2:35:10) The B word. [Speaker 2] (2:35:11 - 2:35:11) The B word. [Speaker 5] (2:35:13 - 2:35:13) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:35:14 - 2:35:15) Come back to that. [Speaker 5] (2:35:16 - 2:35:17) Um [Speaker 5] (2:35:19 - 2:35:25) And there's there's another equipment maintenance in the town clerk area that [Speaker 2] (2:35:25 - 2:35:25) This election [Speaker 6] (2:35:25 - 2:35:25) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:35:25 - 2:35:26) court. [Speaker 5] (2:35:26 - 2:35:26) that went [Speaker 6] (2:35:26 - 2:35:26) So [Speaker 5] (2:35:26 - 2:35:26) up [Speaker 6] (2:35:26 - 2:35:32) new el new election equipment was um done through capital. So this was a known operating increase. [Speaker 5] (2:35:33 - 2:35:36) We bought new machines and it's now going to cost us twice [Speaker 2] (2:35:36 - 2:35:36) More [Speaker 5] (2:35:36 - 2:35:36) as [Speaker 2] (2:35:36 - 2:35:37) to [Speaker 5] (2:35:37 - 2:35:37) much [Speaker 2] (2:35:37 - 2:35:37) maintain. [Speaker 5] (2:35:37 - 2:35:38) to maintain new machines? [Speaker 6] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38) Yeah. Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:35:39 - 2:35:40) Oh, do we have more of them now? [Speaker 6] (2:35:41 - 2:35:41) We do. [Speaker 1] (2:35:41 - 2:35:41) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:35:42 - 2:35:42) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:35:44 - 2:35:44) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:35:44 - 2:35:47) And that's actually gonna go up next year as well, because [Speaker 1] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47) we Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (2:35:47 - 2:35:50) just got a notification. Um today. Uh [Speaker 1] (2:35:50 - 2:35:51) It's gonna be even [Speaker 6] (2:35:51 - 2:35:58) as of July one twenty six, they are no longer doing a fixed fee, they are doing a per pole pad per election programming. [Speaker 1] (2:36:00 - 2:36:02) So maybe we need to go to bed. [Speaker 5] (2:36:02 - 2:36:06) It seems weird and it's getting actually a brand brand new machines, in the first year you have a [Speaker 5] (2:36:07 - 2:36:08) doubling of your operating [Speaker 8] (2:36:08 - 2:36:08) If there's [Speaker 5] (2:36:08 - 2:36:09) years. [Speaker 8] (2:36:09 - 2:36:13) double there's double the machines you double the expense you potentially they're brand [Speaker 1] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13) new Okay, [Speaker 8] (2:36:13 - 2:36:14) machines what [Speaker 1] (2:36:14 - 2:36:15) let's um [Speaker 8] (2:36:15 - 2:36:19) about the what about the election expenses so if we're having fewer elections [Speaker 2] (2:36:20 - 2:36:22) Is there a correlation there to [Speaker 6] (2:36:22 - 2:36:26) Yep, so there was a reduction made from 34 to 29. [Speaker 6] (2:36:27 - 2:36:28) We, [Speaker 6] (2:36:28 - 2:36:34) the local elections are not subsidized by the state or federal government. [Speaker 6] (2:36:34 - 2:36:40) Um, so when it's local, it actually costs us more. Or comparably costs more. [Speaker 2] (2:36:41 - 2:36:41) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:36:41 - 2:36:41) Okay. [Speaker 8] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:36:45 - 2:36:47) Okay, next, Doug. [Speaker 5] (2:36:48 - 2:36:51) I'm down to the senior planner line. [Speaker 8] (2:36:51 - 2:36:52) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:36:52 - 2:36:54) Great. Let's talk about the senior planner. [Speaker 6] (2:36:56 - 2:37:00) I mean, the thing about the P&L is [Speaker 1] (2:37:01 - 2:37:06) To start this conversation, if everybody's okay with that. The thing about the senior planner is we've been trying to fill this role at this [Speaker 1] (2:37:08 - 2:37:11) even greater than this, and we can't, we have not been able to fill it. [Speaker 2] (2:37:11 - 2:37:11) In two years. [Speaker 1] (2:37:11 - 2:37:16) So it is fictitious to say that we will fill a senior planner role at $80,000. [Speaker 1] (2:37:17 - 2:37:22) So what is more fair to say is, and I know that the process was this to find savings, [Speaker 1] (2:37:22 - 2:37:24) not to increase, [Speaker 8] (2:37:24 - 2:37:24) You're [Speaker 1] (2:37:24 - 2:37:24) however, [Speaker 8] (2:37:24 - 2:37:24) right. [Speaker 1] (2:37:26 - 2:37:31) To facilitate that line item in a true way would either be to fund it at 110, [Speaker 1] (2:37:32 - 2:37:32) to [Speaker 2] (2:37:32 - 2:37:32) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:37:32 - 2:37:35) try to actually fill the senior planner role, or to make it zero. [Speaker 1] (2:37:36 - 2:37:39) Because we are never going to hire a senior planner at 80. [Speaker 2] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39) No. [Speaker 1] (2:37:40 - 2:37:41) We've been trying to, [Speaker 5] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:37:41 - 2:37:43) and we have had little, [Speaker 2] (2:37:43 - 2:37:44) We're not in the market. [Speaker 1] (2:37:44 - 2:37:44) we're not, yeah, [Speaker 2] (2:37:44 - 2:37:45) Hamilton [Speaker 1] (2:37:45 - 2:37:45) we're not hitting, [Speaker 2] (2:37:45 - 2:37:46) went up, just hired one at 115. [Speaker 1] (2:37:46 - 2:37:47) okay. [Speaker 5] (2:37:47 - 2:37:48) Who is that? [Speaker 2] (2:37:48 - 2:37:49) Hamilton went up. [Speaker 1] (2:37:50 - 2:37:53) So it seems to me that I am [Speaker 1] (2:37:55 - 2:38:00) I feel like this role, similar to the building commissioner role, [Speaker 1] (2:38:00 - 2:38:01) is a must [Speaker 2] (2:38:01 - 2:38:02) Must have. [Speaker 1] (2:38:02 - 2:38:06) have. It's a revenue producer because if we are going to fund, [Speaker 1] (2:38:06 - 2:38:16) we are not going to, we have to grow our way out of this problem and the only way we do that is by planning further into the future and we are not doing that. [Speaker 1] (2:38:16 - 2:38:22) So I see a real benefit to funding this line item at 110, [Speaker 2] (2:38:22 - 2:38:22) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:38:22 - 2:38:24) actually filling the roll, [Speaker 1] (2:38:24 - 2:38:31) and then seeing savings from that come in years forward through growth. [Speaker 2] (2:38:31 - 2:38:35) You have to remember all of the projects that we have going on and coming up. [Speaker 1] (2:38:35 - 2:38:37) I mean we said this 18 months ago that this, [Speaker 1] (2:38:37 - 2:38:44) we sat a town meeting and promised that this roll would be filled and here we are two years later underfunding the line item. [Speaker 1] (2:38:44 - 2:38:45) So either [Speaker 5] (2:38:45 - 2:38:45) We're advertising [Speaker 1] (2:38:45 - 2:38:45) great. [Speaker 5] (2:38:45 - 2:38:46) it right now at 110. [Speaker 1] (2:38:47 - 2:38:49) Great. And where's the money coming from? [Speaker 4] (2:38:49 - 2:38:52) We're only budgeting 80. I mean what? [Speaker 2] (2:38:52 - 2:38:59) No, because we we have so we haven't used we we have it in our line item right now It's covered in our in our budget right now [Speaker 1] (2:38:59 - 2:39:03) At 110 right now and the 2025 budget it's covered at 110. [Speaker 2] (2:39:03 - 2:39:03) Uh-huh [Speaker 1] (2:39:03 - 2:39:04) It's 105. [Speaker 2] (2:39:05 - 2:39:06) We haven't [Speaker 6] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06) 104. [Speaker 2] (2:39:06 - 2:39:09) we haven't used it for months and months and months and months and months. [Speaker 1] (2:39:09 - 2:39:09) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:39:09 - 2:39:10) So we still [Speaker 1] (2:39:10 - 2:39:11) So what we [Speaker 2] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11) under [Speaker 1] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11) have that save [Speaker 2] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11) line item. [Speaker 1] (2:39:11 - 2:39:15) in twenty five, you're gonna use to cover the difference in [Speaker 4] (2:39:15 - 2:39:15) No. [Speaker 1] (2:39:15 - 2:39:15) of [Speaker 2] (2:39:15 - 2:39:15) No, [Speaker 1] (2:39:15 - 2:39:16) eighty, [Speaker 2] (2:39:16 - 2:39:16) no, no, [Speaker 1] (2:39:16 - 2:39:16) no. [Speaker 2] (2:39:16 - 2:39:16) no, what we're saying [Speaker 1] (2:39:16 - 2:39:17) I [Speaker 2] (2:39:17 - 2:39:17) right now, [Speaker 1] (2:39:17 - 2:39:17) don't [Speaker 2] (2:39:17 - 2:39:17) is somebody [Speaker 1] (2:39:17 - 2:39:17) understand. [Speaker 2] (2:39:17 - 2:39:20) if if somebody they hire somebody tomorrow morning, [Speaker 1] (2:39:20 - 2:39:21) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (2:39:21 - 2:39:23) you're you're fine with the coverage tomorrow morning. [Speaker 6] (2:39:23 - 2:39:23) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:39:23 - 2:39:24) 'Cause your budget [Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24) At [Speaker 4] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24) of one thirty [Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24) ten, [Speaker 4] (2:39:24 - 2:39:26) is here and you're not you don't have a year left and you need to [Speaker 1] (2:39:26 - 2:39:26) Right, [Speaker 4] (2:39:26 - 2:39:26) be paying them. [Speaker 1] (2:39:26 - 2:39:27) correct. [Speaker 1] (2:39:27 - 2:39:28) But then [Speaker 6] (2:39:28 - 2:39:28) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:39:28 - 2:39:29) But then the next [Speaker 1] (2:39:29 - 2:39:29) we're not [Speaker 2] (2:39:29 - 2:39:29) year [Speaker 1] (2:39:29 - 2:39:30) budgeting for that going forward. [Speaker 4] (2:39:30 - 2:39:31) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:39:31 - 2:39:31) So [Speaker 2] (2:39:31 - 2:39:31) Right. [Speaker 1] (2:39:31 - 2:39:32) we have to budget for [Speaker 1] (2:39:32 - 2:39:34) budget for 110 if that's what we're advertising Yeah. for. [Speaker 4] (2:39:34 - 2:39:37) I will say even at 110 we've gotten absolutely no one. [Speaker 2] (2:39:37 - 2:39:41) We've only been advertising a short amount of time at 110, and we've only been advertising on one, [Speaker 4] (2:39:41 - 2:39:42) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:39:42 - 2:39:44) on one, um, [Speaker 4] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44) Area, [Speaker 2] (2:39:44 - 2:39:45) yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:39:45 - 2:39:45) let's say. [Speaker 7] (2:39:45 - 2:39:45) Five. [Speaker 2] (2:39:45 - 2:39:58) And, you know, so the question from the planning board actually, I spoke to the chair of the planning board over the weekend, and he had given a list of recommendations on where else he wanted us advertising and some of the other things that he would like. [Speaker 2] (2:39:58 - 2:39:59) like HR to do, so [Speaker 1] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00) Great. [Speaker 2] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00) I sent [Speaker 1] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00) So, [Speaker 2] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00) those over. [Speaker 1] (2:40:00 - 2:40:04) say you and HR should have a conversation and get that Mm going. [Speaker 4] (2:40:04 - 2:40:04) -hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:40:04 - 2:40:06) But in the meantime, [Speaker 1] (2:40:06 - 2:40:12) we unless there is funds available in salary reserve specifically to cover the $30 [Speaker 4] (2:40:12 - 2:40:13) Not that much, no. [Speaker 1] (2:40:13 - 2:40:18) ,000 difference between this line item and what we're advertising as we need to increase [Speaker 2] (2:40:18 - 2:40:19) Increase it. [Speaker 1] (2:40:19 - 2:40:20) it to 110. [Speaker 8] (2:40:20 - 2:40:21) Okay. [Speaker 9] (2:40:22 - 2:40:23) I'm supportive of that. [Speaker 2] (2:40:23 - 2:40:23) I am too. [Speaker 4] (2:40:23 - 2:40:24) Okay. [Speaker 10] (2:40:24 - 2:40:25) And is not 30 in salary reserves? [Speaker 2] (2:40:25 - 2:40:26) No. [Speaker 4] (2:40:26 - 2:40:26) No. [Speaker 10] (2:40:26 - 2:40:29) Then how do we advertise that position at one time? [Speaker 4] (2:40:29 - 2:40:30) Exactly. [Speaker 1] (2:40:30 - 2:40:34) Because Mary Ellen is saying, and it makes sense for this year, but doesn't [Speaker 9] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34) This year, [Speaker 1] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34) for year [Speaker 9] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34) but [Speaker 1] (2:40:34 - 2:40:35) going forward, [Speaker 9] (2:40:35 - 2:40:35) in another year. [Speaker 1] (2:40:35 - 2:40:39) is that we have plenty of money to pay 110 because we're not paying a whole year, [Speaker 10] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39) Because [Speaker 1] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39) right? [Speaker 10] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40) we prorate in the two Yeah, months. [Speaker 1] (2:40:40 - 2:40:47) so we prorate the two months and we still will have thought surplus that will fall. [Speaker 1] (2:40:48 - 2:40:49) Five. [Speaker 1] (2:40:50 - 2:40:53) We we need to then appropriate for the correct amount going forward, [Speaker 2] (2:40:53 - 2:40:54) Okay, close [Speaker 1] (2:40:54 - 2:40:54) whatever. [Speaker 2] (2:40:54 - 2:40:54) the board. [Speaker 1] (2:40:54 - 2:40:55) So going forward. [Speaker 1] (2:40:55 - 2:40:56) Mary Ellen says she's done with this conversation. [Speaker 2] (2:40:56 - 2:40:57) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (2:40:57 - 2:40:58) Or I didn't [Speaker 1] (2:40:58 - 2:40:59) Um, so [Speaker 2] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59) see her. [Speaker 1] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59) increasing [Speaker 10] (2:41:00 - 2:41:03) But if the senior player is with 110, we don't think the building commissioner [Speaker 2] (2:41:04 - 2:41:06) No, I think it's the same premise. I [Speaker 4] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06) They [Speaker 2] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06) think it had potentially [Speaker 4] (2:41:06 - 2:41:07) the building [Speaker 2] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07) be [Speaker 4] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07) commissioner [Speaker 2] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07) the same premise. [Speaker 4] (2:41:07 - 2:41:08) at 110. [Speaker 2] (2:41:09 - 2:41:10) The building commit [Speaker 4] (2:41:10 - 2:41:10) No, [Speaker 2] (2:41:10 - 2:41:10) we we're [Speaker 4] (2:41:10 - 2:41:11) we will [Speaker 2] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11) we're [Speaker 4] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11) do it in nine [Speaker 2] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11) working [Speaker 4] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11) days. [Speaker 2] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11) we're [Speaker 4] (2:41:11 - 2:41:12) Nine [Speaker 2] (2:41:12 - 2:41:12) working [Speaker 4] (2:41:12 - 2:41:12) days. [Speaker 10] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13) Huh? [Speaker 2] (2:41:13 - 2:41:17) We have an agree We don't we have an agreement with Nahant to We don't even have an agreement up to one [Speaker 4] (2:41:17 - 2:41:17) right now. [Speaker 2] (2:41:17 - 2:41:19) What's the agreement with Nahant? [Speaker 10] (2:41:20 - 2:41:22) A potential agreement [Speaker 2] (2:41:22 - 2:41:22) Right. [Speaker 10] (2:41:22 - 2:41:25) with Nahant would be four hours and twenty thousand dollars. [Speaker 2] (2:41:25 - 2:41:25) Right. [Speaker 4] (2:41:25 - 2:41:26) Potential. [Speaker 10] (2:41:26 - 2:41:29) Potential, but that it was still short ten thousand dollars. [Speaker 4] (2:41:29 - 2:41:30) Right. [Speaker 1] (2:41:32 - 2:41:33) So we're [Speaker 2] (2:41:33 - 2:41:34) What was [Speaker 1] (2:41:34 - 2:41:34) just is is [Speaker 4] (2:41:34 - 2:41:35) What's the running [Speaker 11] (2:41:35 - 2:41:35) Is [Speaker 4] (2:41:35 - 2:41:35) total? [Speaker 11] (2:41:35 - 2:41:35) this a [Speaker 2] (2:41:35 - 2:41:37) the building inspector the building inspector [Speaker 1] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37) That's [Speaker 2] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37) is [Speaker 1] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37) not on [Speaker 2] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37) 110. [Speaker 1] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37) the agenda. [Speaker 2] (2:41:38 - 2:41:40) Okay, you want the chair is saying take it off? [Speaker 1] (2:41:40 - 2:41:42) I I'm just saying I don't want to be [Speaker 11] (2:41:42 - 2:41:43) The [Speaker 1] (2:41:43 - 2:41:43) in a meeting with [Speaker 11] (2:41:43 - 2:41:43) budget. [Speaker 2] (2:41:43 - 2:41:43) The budget [Speaker 1] (2:41:43 - 2:41:44) out of control. [Speaker 2] (2:41:44 - 2:41:44) is on the [Speaker 11] (2:41:44 - 2:41:44) Budget [Speaker 2] (2:41:44 - 2:41:44) agenda. [Speaker 11] (2:41:44 - 2:41:44) is on the agenda. [Speaker 4] (2:41:44 - 2:41:44) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:41:44 - 2:41:46) The budget is on the [Speaker 11] (2:41:46 - 2:41:46) of the town meeting is. [Speaker 1] (2:41:46 - 2:41:47) What? [Speaker 11] (2:41:47 - 2:41:50) I said the entirety of the town meeting warrant is on your agenda. [Speaker 1] (2:41:50 - 2:41:51) Okay. So [Speaker 2] (2:41:51 - 2:41:51) So [Speaker 1] (2:41:51 - 2:41:51) the hotel. [Speaker 2] (2:41:51 - 2:41:57) if if we have an if we're looking at an agreement with with Nahant. [Speaker 11] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:41:57 - 2:41:58) We're at 110. [Speaker 10] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01) Right. [Speaker 10] (2:42:01 - 2:42:05) And the negotiations took a turn that it went up another ten thousand dollars. [Speaker 2] (2:42:05 - 2:42:07) So from 110 to 120 is what you're saying? [Speaker 10] (2:42:07 - 2:42:08) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (2:42:09 - 2:42:12) With 20 coming from that, with a budgeted 90, [Speaker 10] (2:42:12 - 2:42:13) we would have to come [Speaker 2] (2:42:13 - 2:42:13) Now [Speaker 10] (2:42:13 - 2:42:13) up with... [Speaker 2] (2:42:13 - 2:42:14) I'm gonna get prickly. [Speaker 12] (2:42:15 - 2:42:16) Uh-oh. [Speaker 2] (2:42:16 - 2:42:17) You know, 110 to 120, [Speaker 2] (2:42:18 - 2:42:20) now I'm gonna have a little bit of a problem with that, right? [Speaker 2] (2:42:21 - 2:42:22) Realistically. [Speaker 12] (2:42:22 - 2:42:23) Well, That's the total... right now. [Speaker 2] (2:42:24 - 2:42:25) Has its total salary, [Speaker 1] (2:42:25 - 2:42:26) our share plus in a hunch [Speaker 10] (2:42:26 - 2:42:26) No, [Speaker 1] (2:42:26 - 2:42:26) total [Speaker 10] (2:42:26 - 2:42:27) yes, [Speaker 1] (2:42:27 - 2:42:27) salary [Speaker 10] (2:42:27 - 2:42:29) which still, we don't, the swamp's growing, [Speaker 10] (2:42:29 - 2:42:30) not only, [Speaker 10] (2:42:30 - 2:42:32) that's probably not the proper word, [Speaker 10] (2:42:32 - 2:42:35) it would be paying 100 and we'd have a deal tomorrow. [Speaker 2] (2:42:36 - 2:42:38) Okay, well that's a little different. [Speaker 10] (2:42:39 - 2:42:40) Excuse me, I'm sorry. [Speaker 2] (2:42:40 - 2:42:42) So the total salary is 120, [Speaker 2] (2:42:42 - 2:42:45) inclusive of the Nahant contribution of 20. [Speaker 10] (2:42:45 - 2:42:45) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:42:45 - 2:42:49) Right? But that's what he's asking for, in other words, or the candidate is asking for. [Speaker 10] (2:42:49 - 2:42:50) And [Speaker 2] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50) Right? [Speaker 10] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50) we have [Speaker 2] (2:42:50 - 2:42:54) And we're prepared to give 90 plus 20 from Nahant, [Speaker 1] (2:42:54 - 2:42:54) One ten. [Speaker 2] (2:42:54 - 2:42:55) 110 inclusive. [Speaker 10] (2:42:56 - 2:42:56) That's right. [Speaker 2] (2:42:57 - 2:42:57) Okay, so it was the 10,000. [Speaker 1] (2:42:57 - 2:43:00) So Gino's saying if we're prepared to give the senior planner 110, [Speaker 1] (2:43:01 - 2:43:03) then why would we not give the building commissioner 120? [Speaker 10] (2:43:03 - 2:43:04) Well, it's really 100. [Speaker 4] (2:43:04 - 2:43:06) Because we don't have any money, [Speaker 2] (2:43:06 - 2:43:06) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:43:06 - 2:43:06) that's why. [Speaker 10] (2:43:06 - 2:43:07) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07) I know, [Speaker 12] (2:43:07 - 2:43:08) But we but understand where... [Speaker 1] (2:43:08 - 2:43:09) I'm just putting it in the conversation. [Speaker 12] (2:43:09 - 2:43:09) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (2:43:09 - 2:43:09) Yeah, I just... [Speaker 4] (2:43:09 - 2:43:11) I mean, unfortunately, [Speaker 4] (2:43:11 - 2:43:14) that is what... I would love to give everybody everything, [Speaker 1] (2:43:14 - 2:43:14) But, [Speaker 4] (2:43:14 - 2:43:15) and cookies, [Speaker 1] (2:43:15 - 2:43:15) but [Speaker 4] (2:43:15 - 2:43:15) and cake, [Speaker 1] (2:43:15 - 2:43:16) agreed, [Speaker 4] (2:43:16 - 2:43:17) and bonuses, but we can't. [Speaker 1] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17) but just, [Speaker 1] (2:43:17 - 2:43:20) but taking a step back, it's, [Speaker 10] (2:43:20 - 2:43:20) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (2:43:20 - 2:43:21) Investments. [Speaker 1] (2:43:21 - 2:43:22) that's an investment. [Speaker 1] (2:43:22 - 2:43:24) And if, and if that position. [Speaker 1] (2:43:25 - 2:43:30) akin to the senior planner position would come back in spades. [Speaker 2] (2:43:30 - 2:43:31) I agree. I agree. [Speaker 11] (2:43:31 - 2:43:36) I I I would al I would also say, unlike the mythical senior planner, [Speaker 11] (2:43:36 - 2:43:37) the building inspector's a real person. [Speaker 2] (2:43:38 - 2:43:40) Yes. All right. One that we know and [Speaker 1] (2:43:40 - 2:43:40) A body [Speaker 2] (2:43:40 - 2:43:40) have identified. [Speaker 1] (2:43:40 - 2:43:41) we can actually fill [Speaker 11] (2:43:41 - 2:43:41) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:43:41 - 2:43:41) a seat with. [Speaker 2] (2:43:42 - 2:43:42) Right. [Speaker 10] (2:43:42 - 2:43:42) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:43:45 - 2:43:46) Yeah, I understand. [Speaker 2] (2:43:46 - 2:43:46) I get it. I agree. [Speaker 12] (2:43:47 - 2:43:47) Keep going. [Speaker 2] (2:43:48 - 2:43:49) What what's the running total? [Speaker 4] (2:43:49 - 2:43:49) What's the running [Speaker 2] (2:43:49 - 2:43:51) I mean, do we have a running total here of where we're at? [Speaker 1] (2:43:51 - 2:43:51) Yeah, I mean [Speaker 12] (2:43:51 - 2:43:52) We're at about 100. [Speaker 12] (2:43:53 - 2:43:58) Because remember, we just we just added thirty for the for the planner. So we add [Speaker 12] (2:43:59 - 2:44:00) Hundred just [Speaker 2] (2:44:00 - 2:44:00) Where, we where, [Speaker 12] (2:44:00 - 2:44:03) just where, we're at one oh we're at one oh seven seven for revenue. [Speaker 4] (2:44:03 - 2:44:04) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:44:04 - 2:44:04) Mm. [Speaker 12] (2:44:04 - 2:44:06) And then we're [Speaker 1] (2:44:07 - 2:44:08) Oh, three thousand. [Speaker 12] (2:44:08 - 2:44:14) All it's all the other savings we just found we just spent. Yeah, seventy seventy five hundred down on on the expenses. But uh [Speaker 2] (2:44:14 - 2:44:14) Well [Speaker 12] (2:44:14 - 2:44:15) that let's keep going. [Speaker 4] (2:44:15 - 2:44:16) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:44:18 - 2:44:21) So we're at 139.50, and then when [Speaker 4] (2:44:21 - 2:44:22) Kick [Speaker 1] (2:44:22 - 2:44:22) you subtract [Speaker 4] (2:44:22 - 2:44:22) off your 30. [Speaker 1] (2:44:22 - 2:44:23) the 30, [Speaker 4] (2:44:23 - 2:44:24) We're [Speaker 1] (2:44:24 - 2:44:24) we're [Speaker 4] (2:44:24 - 2:44:24) at about [Speaker 1] (2:44:24 - 2:44:24) at 100, 100. [Speaker 4] (2:44:24 - 2:44:25) David's right. [Speaker 2] (2:44:25 - 2:44:26) Okay, next, Doug. [Speaker 1] (2:44:26 - 2:44:28) 50. Okay, next. [Speaker 10] (2:44:30 - 2:44:32) And maybe it's uh [Speaker 10] (2:44:35 - 2:44:36) Okay. Uh [Speaker 1] (2:44:36 - 2:44:38) Yes, there's more on the table, Doug, [Speaker 1] (2:44:38 - 2:44:43) to say that, because it's really potentially some... [Speaker 1] (2:44:44 - 2:44:46) Funds in FinCom and bonuses, so here [Speaker 12] (2:44:46 - 2:44:47) Yeah, and [Speaker 1] (2:44:47 - 2:44:47) you go. [Speaker 12] (2:44:47 - 2:44:48) there's I guess [Speaker 2] (2:44:48 - 2:44:49) You didn't [Speaker 12] (2:44:49 - 2:44:49) other things [Speaker 2] (2:44:49 - 2:44:49) throw [Speaker 12] (2:44:49 - 2:44:49) I want that to talk [Speaker 2] (2:44:49 - 2:44:50) word again. [Speaker 12] (2:44:50 - 2:44:50) about here about consolidated [Speaker 2] (2:44:50 - 2:44:51) Yep. [Speaker 12] (2:44:51 - 2:44:52) positions. Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:44:52 - 2:44:52) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 12] (2:44:52 - 2:44:53) Um [Speaker 12] (2:44:57 - 2:44:58) Alright. Um [Speaker 1] (2:44:58 - 2:45:00) Contracted consulting services [Speaker 12] (2:45:00 - 2:45:00) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:45:00 - 2:45:02) under community development. [Speaker 12] (2:45:02 - 2:45:05) Right, no, I didn't I didn't did I have anything there? [Speaker 1] (2:45:05 - 2:45:05) It [Speaker 12] (2:45:05 - 2:45:05) I don't think [Speaker 1] (2:45:05 - 2:45:07) was $5,000. It went to $10,000. [Speaker 12] (2:45:07 - 2:45:08) Yep. Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:45:08 - 2:45:08) So it went up. [Speaker 1] (2:45:09 - 2:45:10) So what's that? [Speaker 12] (2:45:10 - 2:45:12) It's grant matching and study funds. [Speaker 1] (2:45:12 - 2:45:12) Great. [Speaker 12] (2:45:12 - 2:45:12) So she [Speaker 2] (2:45:12 - 2:45:13) I mean, [Speaker 12] (2:45:13 - 2:45:13) doesn't [Speaker 2] (2:45:13 - 2:45:13) no, we need [Speaker 12] (2:45:13 - 2:45:13) we don't [Speaker 2] (2:45:13 - 2:45:14) that. [Speaker 12] (2:45:14 - 2:45:14) want to cut that. [Speaker 2] (2:45:14 - 2:45:14) No. [Speaker 1] (2:45:14 - 2:45:16) No, that would cut off our nose to spite our face. [Speaker 12] (2:45:17 - 2:45:35) That's uh okay, then I go all the way down to uh in uh facilities department um to an outside services town line. [Speaker 12] (2:45:37 - 2:45:37) which [Speaker 1] (2:45:37 - 2:45:39) Can we just go to the educational expenses [Speaker 11] (2:45:39 - 2:45:40) Sure. [Speaker 1] (2:45:40 - 2:45:41) of building? [Speaker 12] (2:45:41 - 2:45:45) Oh, actually there's one before that that I need to comment on. So go ahead. [Speaker 2] (2:45:45 - 2:45:46) What, under facilities? [Speaker 1] (2:45:46 - 2:45:47) Building. [Speaker 12] (2:45:47 - 2:45:49) No. Where'd you want to go, Katie? Sorry, [Speaker 2] (2:45:49 - 2:45:49) Building, [Speaker 1] (2:45:49 - 2:45:49) Building. [Speaker 12] (2:45:49 - 2:45:49) what? [Speaker 2] (2:45:50 - 2:45:50) education expenses. [Speaker 1] (2:45:50 - 2:45:53) Building educational expenses, $720. [Speaker 2] (2:45:53 - 2:45:54) What is that? [Speaker 1] (2:45:54 - 2:45:55) What is that? [Speaker 11] (2:45:56 - 2:45:59) Ah, they're required to attend six courses throughout [Speaker 1] (2:45:59 - 2:45:59) Continuing [Speaker 11] (2:45:59 - 2:46:00) the year. [Speaker 1] (2:46:00 - 2:46:00) education [Speaker 2] (2:46:00 - 2:46:00) Professional development. [Speaker 11] (2:46:00 - 2:46:01) in part of the, okay, great. [Speaker 10] (2:46:05 - 2:46:06) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:46:06 - 2:46:06) And the fuel? [Speaker 4] (2:46:07 - 2:46:08) We did fuel, right? [Speaker 10] (2:46:09 - 2:46:09) There [Speaker 13] (2:46:09 - 2:46:09) Yes. [Speaker 10] (2:46:09 - 2:46:10) is there's [Speaker 13] (2:46:10 - 2:46:10) We have 1500. [Speaker 10] (2:46:10 - 2:46:10) a fuel is indifferent. [Speaker 1] (2:46:10 - 2:46:11) $1,500? [Speaker 10] (2:46:11 - 2:46:13) No, we have electric vehicles. [Speaker 10] (2:46:13 - 2:46:14) Fine. [Speaker 10] (2:46:14 - 2:46:14) Build [Speaker 4] (2:46:14 - 2:46:14) Why [Speaker 10] (2:46:14 - 2:46:15) a [Speaker 4] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15) do we [Speaker 10] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15) plan. [Speaker 4] (2:46:15 - 2:46:16) we have electric vehicles and the Wait, wait. [Speaker 2] (2:46:16 - 2:46:17) where are we? [Speaker 10] (2:46:17 - 2:46:17) Right. [Speaker 1] (2:46:17 - 2:46:18) We're under the building. [Speaker 1] (2:46:19 - 2:46:20) We're under the building, [Speaker 4] (2:46:20 - 2:46:21) Fuel and building. [Speaker 1] (2:46:21 - 2:46:23) uh, community economic development under building. [Speaker 10] (2:46:24 - 2:46:24) Yeah. [Speaker 12] (2:46:24 - 2:46:25) Yeah. Two line 252. [Speaker 4] (2:46:25 - 2:46:26) On page six. [Speaker 4] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 11] (2:46:28 - 2:46:29) 1252 in this [Speaker 1] (2:46:29 - 2:46:29) In [Speaker 11] (2:46:29 - 2:46:29) meeting. [Speaker 1] (2:46:29 - 2:46:30) the section [Speaker 4] (2:46:30 - 2:46:30) section, [Speaker 1] (2:46:30 - 2:46:31) the second section, [Speaker 4] (2:46:32 - 2:46:32) Oh. [Speaker 2] (2:46:32 - 2:46:33) Fuel for electric vehicles. [Speaker 1] (2:46:33 - 2:46:34) from books, $1,000, fuel [Speaker 10] (2:46:34 - 2:46:35) Oh. [Speaker 1] (2:46:35 - 2:46:35) $1,500. [Speaker 4] (2:46:36 - 2:46:36) Is this real? [Speaker 11] (2:46:36 - 2:46:37) That's not for [Speaker 10] (2:46:37 - 2:46:37) No. [Speaker 11] (2:46:37 - 2:46:39) the electric vehicles, no. [Speaker 10] (2:46:39 - 2:46:40) Right, it's for the the [Speaker 1] (2:46:40 - 2:46:40) Well I would [Speaker 10] (2:46:40 - 2:46:40) two inspectors, [Speaker 1] (2:46:40 - 2:46:40) hope. [Speaker 11] (2:46:40 - 2:46:41) Yeah, that's for the inspectors. [Speaker 10] (2:46:41 - 2:46:42) it's the inspectors. [Speaker 1] (2:46:42 - 2:46:43) So it's they they drive their own car and we reimburse [Speaker 10] (2:46:43 - 2:46:44) Exactly. [Speaker 1] (2:46:44 - 2:46:44) them for gas. [Speaker 10] (2:46:44 - 2:46:45) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:46:45 - 2:46:46) In a three square mile town. [Speaker 4] (2:46:46 - 2:46:46) Mileage. [Speaker 10] (2:46:46 - 2:46:47) Yep. [Speaker 11] (2:46:48 - 2:46:48) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (2:46:48 - 2:46:50) Right, we're spending fifteen hundred in fuel. [Speaker 1] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51) A year. [Speaker 2] (2:46:51 - 2:46:53) In a three square-mile town. [Speaker 12] (2:46:53 - 2:46:53) It's like I'm walking. [Speaker 2] (2:46:54 - 2:46:56) No, but I mean, really? How much? [Speaker 1] (2:46:56 - 2:46:56) We [Speaker 12] (2:46:56 - 2:46:56) It's [Speaker 1] (2:46:56 - 2:46:56) deplete [Speaker 12] (2:46:56 - 2:46:56) like two [Speaker 1] (2:46:56 - 2:46:56) that. [Speaker 12] (2:46:56 - 2:46:57) it's like two thousand miles [Speaker 1] (2:46:57 - 2:46:58) We [Speaker 12] (2:46:58 - 2:46:58) you drive. [Speaker 1] (2:46:58 - 2:46:58) deplete [Speaker 12] (2:46:58 - 2:46:58) Go ahead. [Speaker 1] (2:46:58 - 2:46:59) that every [Speaker 11] (2:46:59 - 2:46:59) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:46:59 - 2:46:59) year. [Speaker 12] (2:46:59 - 2:46:59) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:46:59 - 2:47:01) In the last five years? Have we depleted it? [Speaker 11] (2:47:01 - 2:47:03) This is a newer agreement with them. [Speaker 1] (2:47:04 - 2:47:04) A newer [Speaker 2] (2:47:04 - 2:47:04) A [Speaker 1] (2:47:04 - 2:47:04) agreement. [Speaker 2] (2:47:04 - 2:47:05) newer agreement. [Speaker 11] (2:47:05 - 2:47:13) So so they used to be able to utilise town vehicles, um but we don't have sufficient town vehicles, so now they use their own vehicles. [Speaker 12] (2:47:14 - 2:47:16) So this year, are we using fifteen hundred? [Speaker 11] (2:47:16 - 2:47:16) I [Speaker 12] (2:47:16 - 2:47:17) We know? [Speaker 11] (2:47:17 - 2:47:17) can do our [Speaker 2] (2:47:17 - 2:47:19) No, we don't know, because we've never done this before. [Speaker 1] (2:47:19 - 2:47:19) No, [Speaker 12] (2:47:19 - 2:47:19) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:47:19 - 2:47:23) this here we have it in if it the line item in twent fiscal year twenty five. [Speaker 10] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29) Hmm. [Speaker 2] (2:47:36 - 2:47:37) And these are building inspectors? [Speaker 10] (2:47:38 - 2:47:39) Electrical and plumbing. [Speaker 2] (2:47:39 - 2:47:39) Subs. [Speaker 4] (2:47:40 - 2:47:42) Some infectious thought, right? [Speaker 10] (2:47:42 - 2:47:44) Yeah, no, subs of a right well, yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:47:45 - 2:47:45) Yep. [Speaker 10] (2:47:45 - 2:47:46) You're underneath the building commission, but [Speaker 11] (2:47:46 - 2:47:46) So [Speaker 10] (2:47:46 - 2:47:46) the effect [Speaker 11] (2:47:46 - 2:47:49) it's been about 225 dollars a quarter. [Speaker 1] (2:47:50 - 2:47:50) Two [Speaker 2] (2:47:50 - 2:47:50) So [Speaker 1] (2:47:50 - 2:47:50) hundred [Speaker 2] (2:47:50 - 2:47:51) what are you talking about, twenty five dollars a week here? [Speaker 11] (2:47:51 - 2:47:51) Hmm? [Speaker 1] (2:47:51 - 2:47:55) Two hundred and twenty five dollars a quarter. Twenty two hundred twenty five cents a quarter. [Speaker 11] (2:47:55 - 2:47:55) So a thousand. [Speaker 1] (2:47:56 - 2:47:56) Thousand dollars. [Speaker 2] (2:47:56 - 2:47:57) Thousand dollars. [Speaker 1] (2:47:57 - 2:47:58) So you wanna save five hundred dollars, Doug? [Speaker 10] (2:47:59 - 2:48:02) Sure, I take five hundred. Hmm. [Speaker 10] (2:48:03 - 2:48:03) You okay? [Speaker 1] (2:48:03 - 2:48:04) You know, you okay? [Speaker 10] (2:48:04 - 2:48:04) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (2:48:07 - 2:48:11) Well, but while we're at that, for that last conversation, we have [Speaker 10] (2:48:13 - 2:48:16) only eighty thousand in this budget for the building inspector. [Speaker 1] (2:48:16 - 2:48:17) I know. [Speaker 10] (2:48:17 - 2:48:18) Not even ninety. [Speaker 4] (2:48:18 - 2:48:19) I can't. [Speaker 10] (2:48:19 - 2:48:23) Well, it's tenet and salary reserved. I'm pretty confident about [Speaker 4] (2:48:23 - 2:48:23) Uh-oh. [Speaker 10] (2:48:23 - 2:48:23) that. [Speaker 4] (2:48:23 - 2:48:24) Let that out of the bag. [Speaker 10] (2:48:25 - 2:48:25) Okay. [Speaker 10] (2:48:26 - 2:48:27) Yep. Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:48:28 - 2:48:28) I can't. [Speaker 10] (2:48:28 - 2:48:29) So do we wanna just [Speaker 12] (2:48:30 - 2:48:31) Deal with that now or not? [Speaker 10] (2:48:32 - 2:48:33) I think we'll wait till we see what we have [Speaker 12] (2:48:33 - 2:48:33) Okay. [Speaker 10] (2:48:33 - 2:48:35) saved and then go back to [Speaker 12] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35) Okay. [Speaker 10] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35) that. [Speaker 12] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35) Alright. [Speaker 10] (2:48:35 - 2:48:37) Oh, I shouldn't be speaking up, is that alright? [Speaker 1] (2:48:37 - 2:48:39) No, that's okay, Gina. You can be speaking up. [Speaker 4] (2:48:40 - 2:48:41) You can play too, Gino. [Speaker 5] (2:48:41 - 2:48:42) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:48:43 - 2:48:43) Um [Speaker 2] (2:48:43 - 2:48:45) Yeah, we haven't gone to the D_P_W_ section yet. [Speaker 5] (2:48:45 - 2:48:45) Alright. [Speaker 2] (2:48:45 - 2:48:46) So [Speaker 5] (2:48:47 - 2:48:47) Braced for a second. [Speaker 1] (2:48:48 - 2:48:50) You already know we're gonna still save this section. [Speaker 2] (2:48:50 - 2:48:54) A thousand dollars in books? Is that like a some sort of manual or something? [Speaker 4] (2:48:54 - 2:48:57) So whenever new building code is released we are required to [Speaker 2] (2:48:57 - 2:48:57) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:48:57 - 2:48:57) buy them. [Speaker 2] (2:48:57 - 2:48:59) This I don't not [Speaker 1] (2:48:59 - 2:48:59) How do building we pass [Speaker 2] (2:48:59 - 2:49:01) inspector, happy to give them what they need. [Speaker 2] (2:49:01 - 2:49:03) Okay. Um [Speaker 2] (2:49:05 - 2:49:09) What sort of overtime is in public health? [Speaker 4] (2:49:09 - 2:49:10) That's been zeroed out. [Speaker 2] (2:49:10 - 2:49:11) If there's a pup sorry? [Speaker 4] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12) That's been zeroed out. [Speaker 2] (2:49:13 - 2:49:14) Oh look at that. Sorry, my finger [Speaker 1] (2:49:15 - 2:49:15) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:49:16 - 2:49:16) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:49:16 - 2:49:18) was over the punch line, okay. [Speaker 1] (2:49:21 - 2:49:22) It was twelve hundred dollars. [Speaker 4] (2:49:22 - 2:49:22) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (2:49:22 - 2:49:23) What's next? Oh, [Speaker 4] (2:49:23 - 2:49:24) Oh, I know. [Speaker 2] (2:49:24 - 2:49:28) I think okay, so I'm gonna we're gonna go somewhere controversial. Flu shots. [Speaker 2] (2:49:29 - 2:49:30) Seven thousand dollars in flu shots. [Speaker 2] (2:49:31 - 2:49:40) I know that is the public service that we provide. It's great that we provide this benefit to our, I think, maybe Mia travels a little to give flu shots and also [Speaker 7] (2:49:40 - 2:49:40) Who does [Speaker 2] (2:49:40 - 2:49:41) we have flu shot [Speaker 7] (2:49:41 - 2:49:41) get [Speaker 2] (2:49:41 - 2:49:41) clinics. [Speaker 7] (2:49:41 - 2:49:41) the, [Speaker 4] (2:49:41 - 2:49:43) um so it's [Speaker 7] (2:49:43 - 2:49:44) Just senior's? [Speaker 4] (2:49:44 - 2:49:47) the most vulnerable population. Yes, the high dose flu shots for our seniors. [Speaker 1] (2:49:48 - 2:49:48) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:49:48 - 2:49:49) Okay. [Speaker 7] (2:49:49 - 2:49:50) Is it staff too or just seniors? [Speaker 4] (2:49:51 - 2:49:52) Just the nurse. [Speaker 7] (2:49:52 - 2:49:53) Just the seniors. [Speaker 7] (2:49:53 - 2:49:54) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:49:56 - 2:49:57) They offer it to, [Speaker 2] (2:49:57 - 2:49:57) But [Speaker 4] (2:49:57 - 2:49:59) yeah, so any offer to [Speaker 4] (2:50:00 - 2:50:02) Others it is covered by insurance. [Speaker 2] (2:50:02 - 2:50:06) Okay, do we utilize all the flu shots every year to for seniors? [Speaker 4] (2:50:07 - 2:50:12) We do less flu shots than we have demand for, for budgetary reasons. [Speaker 7] (2:50:14 - 2:50:15) We what? What was that again? [Speaker 2] (2:50:15 - 2:50:15) We, we [Speaker 1] (2:50:15 - 2:50:16) So our budget [Speaker 2] (2:50:16 - 2:50:16) could give [Speaker 1] (2:50:16 - 2:50:17) is out about a four [Speaker 2] (2:50:17 - 2:50:17) hundred [Speaker 1] (2:50:17 - 2:50:17) more. [Speaker 2] (2:50:17 - 2:50:23) more flu shots if we had the budget for them. We don't have the budget for them. So we've already made cuts this line. [Speaker 4] (2:50:23 - 2:50:24) Yes. [Speaker 7] (2:50:24 - 2:50:24) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:50:25 - 2:50:27) Say we didn't give out flu shots. [Speaker 2] (2:50:27 - 2:50:29) And we save seven thousand dollars. [Speaker 2] (2:50:30 - 2:50:33) Where would that vulnerable population get their flu shots from? [Speaker 2] (2:50:34 - 2:50:38) There What other what other programming is available outside of us? [Speaker 1] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) Walgreens. [Speaker 1] (2:50:38 - 2:50:41) Well, if dooming people have insurance. If their Well, seniors they [Speaker 7] (2:50:41 - 2:50:41) if they [Speaker 1] (2:50:41 - 2:50:41) have Medicare. [Speaker 7] (2:50:41 - 2:50:42) have Medicaid. [Speaker 1] (2:50:42 - 2:50:43) So. Yeah. [Speaker 7] (2:50:43 - 2:50:43) So. [Speaker 1] (2:50:44 - 2:50:44) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:50:46 - 2:50:46) Oh. [Speaker 1] (2:50:48 - 2:50:49) Most people have Medicare. I'd say [Speaker 7] (2:50:49 - 2:50:49) Right. [Speaker 1] (2:50:49 - 2:50:49) they probably do. [Speaker 7] (2:50:49 - 2:50:50) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:50:50 - 2:50:52) Doug this is your wheelhouse not mine so [Speaker 1] (2:50:52 - 2:50:52) It is. [Speaker 7] (2:50:52 - 2:50:52) Right. [Speaker 1] (2:50:53 - 2:50:55) You make a perfectly rational argument. [Speaker 7] (2:50:55 - 2:50:56) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:50:56 - 2:50:56) Yep. [Speaker 7] (2:50:57 - 2:50:57) Is it popular [Speaker 1] (2:50:57 - 2:50:59) Despite no? that I [Speaker 1] (2:50:59 - 2:51:03) that would be a very tough one for me to say. [Speaker 7] (2:51:03 - 2:51:04) Yeah, I agree. [Speaker 1] (2:51:04 - 2:51:04) Cut. [Speaker 2] (2:51:05 - 2:51:06) Okay. So le [Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:08) Even though there may be v an [Speaker 1] (2:51:09 - 2:51:13) many of those people really do have very good other options. [Speaker 7] (2:51:13 - 2:51:14) Yes. [Speaker 2] (2:51:14 - 2:51:14) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:51:16 - 2:51:20) Is it just that we are not educating people about all the options so that then we become the default? [Speaker 2] (2:51:20 - 2:51:21) Because [Speaker 2] (2:51:21 - 2:51:23) We don't have the money to be the default. [Speaker 1] (2:51:23 - 2:51:23) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:51:24 - 2:51:31) So maybe if we bolstered up the how the public health or how the public service, sorry, [Speaker 2] (2:51:32 - 2:51:44) the Board of Health and the pub and the public health nurse was educating folks on where else they could go to get these, it would be unpopular, but I'm just saying $7,000 worth [Speaker 7] (2:51:44 - 2:51:44) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:51:44 - 2:51:45) of conversation. [Speaker 7] (2:51:45 - 2:51:46) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:51:46 - 2:51:47) Yeah, I mean you you [Speaker 1] (2:51:48 - 2:51:52) I don't think you'd be creating, you know, a flu pandemic by reducing [Speaker 7] (2:51:52 - 2:51:52) No. [Speaker 1] (2:51:52 - 2:52:00) that by a thousand dollars. I think, you know, we already limit it, we have to limit it a little bit more. This is the environment we're in, it's not great. [Speaker 7] (2:52:01 - 2:52:02) Right, you know cutting it all together, [Speaker 2] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03) Right. [Speaker 7] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03) you're just [Speaker 2] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03) And maybe [Speaker 7] (2:52:03 - 2:52:04) making everyone [Speaker 2] (2:52:04 - 2:52:17) the education is when we do flu shots is that we have a very limited number of flu shots available, and if you have another way to obtain a flu shot that you try to utilise that way and you save it for the most vulnerable population instead of [Speaker 7] (2:52:18 - 2:52:19) Just anybody who [Speaker 2] (2:52:19 - 2:52:19) Just [Speaker 7] (2:52:19 - 2:52:19) comes [Speaker 2] (2:52:19 - 2:52:19) anybody who [Speaker 7] (2:52:19 - 2:52:20) down [Speaker 2] (2:52:20 - 2:52:20) can come in [Speaker 7] (2:52:20 - 2:52:20) to [Speaker 2] (2:52:20 - 2:52:20) and grab [Speaker 7] (2:52:20 - 2:52:20) get one. [Speaker 2] (2:52:20 - 2:52:21) a flu shot. [Speaker 1] (2:52:21 - 2:52:21) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:52:22 - 2:52:22) Convince me. [Speaker 7] (2:52:24 - 2:52:24) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:52:24 - 2:52:25) So what's [Speaker 4] (2:52:25 - 2:52:25) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:52:25 - 2:52:27) the savings then? Because you're not saying make it zero. [Speaker 1] (2:52:27 - 2:52:27) No, [Speaker 7] (2:52:27 - 2:52:27) No, [Speaker 1] (2:52:27 - 2:52:27) it's not. [Speaker 7] (2:52:27 - 2:52:27) it's [Speaker 2] (2:52:27 - 2:52:28) It has [Speaker 7] (2:52:28 - 2:52:28) getting a a thousand [Speaker 1] (2:52:28 - 2:52:28) thousand [Speaker 7] (2:52:28 - 2:52:28) dollars. [Speaker 1] (2:52:28 - 2:52:30) savings. A thousand dollar savings. [Speaker 2] (2:52:30 - 2:52:30) A thousand dollars. [Speaker 7] (2:52:30 - 2:52:31) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:52:31 - 2:52:32) So it brings us down to six. [Speaker 2] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:52:37 - 2:52:38) Next. [Speaker 2] (2:52:42 - 2:52:44) What's next on that list, Doug? [Speaker 1] (2:52:45 - 2:52:50) Well, before I was going way down. But uh Historic Commission [Speaker 2] (2:52:51 - 2:52:52) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52) uh [Speaker 2] (2:52:52 - 2:52:53) Before that. [Speaker 1] (2:52:53 - 2:52:53) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:52:53 - 2:52:54) Sorry. [Speaker 2] (2:52:54 - 2:53:00) Outside Services for Public Health. Was that 20 down to 5? What is that? [Speaker 4] (2:53:00 - 2:53:07) So we were paying for a mental health referral system and due to budget that had to be cut. [Speaker 4] (2:53:07 - 2:53:09) So this is just when we have to do... [Speaker 4] (2:53:10 - 2:53:15) Send out the beach water testing for when we have to do the secondary tests. [Speaker 2] (2:53:16 - 2:53:18) Okay. Um [Speaker 7] (2:53:23 - 2:53:23) Great. [Speaker 8] (2:53:23 - 2:53:28) I just are we mandated to do the beach water testing if we're already doing it in-house? [Speaker 4] (2:53:30 - 2:53:33) Yeah, so um I'm told that this is [Speaker 4] (2:53:33 - 2:53:40) mandatory that if our testing if our initial testing that the state pays for comes back at a certain level, we are [Speaker 8] (2:53:40 - 2:53:40) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:53:40 - 2:53:42) mandated to do a second test. [Speaker 8] (2:53:42 - 2:53:42) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:53:49 - 2:53:49) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:53:54 - 2:53:56) Historical Commission? Are we through recreation? [Speaker 4] (2:53:59 - 2:54:00) Yes, what are lifeguard supplies? [Speaker 2] (2:54:01 - 2:54:01) Hmm? [Speaker 2] (2:54:02 - 2:54:02) So buoys. [Speaker 2] (2:54:04 - 2:54:04) Boards. [Speaker 1] (2:54:05 - 2:54:05) Life guards and [Speaker 2] (2:54:05 - 2:54:07) Lifeguard supplies, that's what that is. [Speaker 2] (2:54:08 - 2:54:08) Um. [Speaker 4] (2:54:08 - 2:54:14) So that is actually when they put the floaties in and out? [Speaker 7] (2:54:15 - 2:54:15) The what? [Speaker 2] (2:54:16 - 2:54:17) What? Like the [Speaker 1] (2:54:17 - 2:54:17) Uh [Speaker 1] (2:54:17 - 2:54:18) No. [Speaker 9] (2:54:18 - 2:54:19) At the beach the no wake zone. [Speaker 2] (2:54:20 - 2:54:20) Say again? [Speaker 9] (2:54:21 - 2:54:23) At the beach the no wake zone the [Speaker 1] (2:54:23 - 2:54:23) Yep. [Speaker 9] (2:54:23 - 2:54:23) you know. [Speaker 9] (2:54:24 - 2:54:25) Then with the swim areas. [Speaker 4] (2:54:25 - 2:54:27) The little floaty [Speaker 7] (2:54:27 - 2:54:27) Oh. [Speaker 4] (2:54:27 - 2:54:28) string? [Speaker 1] (2:54:28 - 2:54:28) Why [Speaker 9] (2:54:28 - 2:54:28) Oh, [Speaker 1] (2:54:28 - 2:54:28) would that [Speaker 9] (2:54:28 - 2:54:28) the booey. [Speaker 1] (2:54:28 - 2:54:32) go up by fifty per cent, three thousand to forty five hundred? [Speaker 1] (2:54:33 - 2:54:33) Any idea? [Speaker 4] (2:54:33 - 2:54:38) Oh, it went up uh fifteen hundred because uh they need to replace one of the beach chairs. [Speaker 4] (2:54:38 - 2:54:48) And Jenny Armini was um was able to contact in the community that we were were gonna be able to get one for only fifteen hundred. [Speaker 7] (2:54:50 - 2:54:53) Wait, the lifeguard chairs are we talking about? Beach chairs? What? [Speaker 1] (2:54:53 - 2:54:54) Yeah, the lifeguard [Speaker 4] (2:54:54 - 2:54:54) Lifeguard [Speaker 1] (2:54:54 - 2:54:54) chairs. [Speaker 4] (2:54:54 - 2:54:54) chairs. [Speaker 7] (2:54:54 - 2:54:55) Oh, the lifeguard chairs. [Speaker 1] (2:54:55 - 2:54:56) Down at Phillips Beach. [Speaker 10] (2:54:56 - 2:54:57) At Phillips. [Speaker 1] (2:54:57 - 2:54:57) Phillips. [Speaker 4] (2:54:57 - 2:54:57) The [Speaker 10] (2:54:57 - 2:54:57) Yeah, yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:54:58 - 2:54:58) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (2:54:58 - 2:54:59) Yeah, it was. [Speaker 1] (2:54:59 - 2:54:59) We had somebody's [Speaker 7] (2:54:59 - 2:55:00) Why doesn't [Speaker 1] (2:55:00 - 2:55:00) boat. [Speaker 7] (2:55:00 - 2:55:02) something like that come out of Rec Revolving? [Speaker 7] (2:55:02 - 2:55:03) No? [Speaker 4] (2:55:03 - 2:55:03) Because [Speaker 7] (2:55:03 - 2:55:04) Because it's not Well, paid for [Speaker 4] (2:55:04 - 2:55:04) you don't [Speaker 2] (2:55:04 - 2:55:04) It services [Speaker 7] (2:55:04 - 2:55:04) out of [Speaker 4] (2:55:04 - 2:55:04) pay to go [Speaker 7] (2:55:04 - 2:55:04) the beach. [Speaker 4] (2:55:04 - 2:55:04) to the beach. [Speaker 2] (2:55:04 - 2:55:05) the beach is public public. [Speaker 7] (2:55:05 - 2:55:06) It's not it's public you don't pay [Speaker 2] (2:55:06 - 2:55:06) Yeah, [Speaker 7] (2:55:06 - 2:55:07) to go to the beach. [Speaker 2] (2:55:07 - 2:55:07) I mean [Speaker 7] (2:55:07 - 2:55:09) Even though you have a beach sticker, [Speaker 7] (2:55:09 - 2:55:10) right? It doesn't matter. [Speaker 7] (2:55:10 - 2:55:10) Okay. [Speaker 4] (2:55:11 - 2:55:11) Yeah, [Speaker 4] (2:55:11 - 2:55:13) but the beach, yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:55:14 - 2:55:16) Okay, so yes, historical commission. [Speaker 1] (2:55:17 - 2:55:18) Okay, so this [Speaker 2] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18) I heard [Speaker 1] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18) guy? [Speaker 2] (2:55:18 - 2:55:20) they were willing to go down to zero, Doug, is that true? [Speaker 1] (2:55:20 - 2:55:21) No, I [Speaker 2] (2:55:21 - 2:55:21) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:55:21 - 2:55:22) hadn't heard that. [Speaker 1] (2:55:24 - 2:55:32) Nicely tried. Um the reduction, I've been uh I'm curious why it was a reduction. [Speaker 2] (2:55:33 - 2:55:34) From five to two, [Speaker 2] (2:55:34 - 2:55:35) 2 [Speaker 1] (2:55:35 - 2:55:35) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:55:35 - 2:55:36) ,500. [Speaker 8] (2:55:36 - 2:55:37) Hmm [Speaker 1] (2:55:38 - 2:55:38) Sure. [Speaker 2] (2:55:38 - 2:55:41) Amy, do you know the rationale behind the reduction? [Speaker 4] (2:55:41 - 2:55:46) It had previously been two. It was increased to 5,000 this past year. [Speaker 4] (2:55:47 - 2:55:47) Um [Speaker 4] (2:55:49 - 2:55:50) and I believe it was [Speaker 4] (2:55:52 - 2:55:58) a specific request for that one year that they needed more money. Um and that was the only reason it was reduced back down. [Speaker 4] (2:55:59 - 2:56:03) I'm sure they would continue to use money that if [Speaker 1] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03) Yeah, [Speaker 4] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03) it was available. [Speaker 1] (2:56:03 - 2:56:09) the chair of the Historical Commission has uh requested that it remain the same. [Speaker 2] (2:56:11 - 2:56:18) Do we understand the item that they needed money for last year, and does this still exist this year? Do we know if that's the case? [Speaker 1] (2:56:18 - 2:56:27) I think they've, you know, I think they've legitimately increased their um efforts in general. Um [Speaker 7] (2:56:31 - 2:56:32) How much is this? [Speaker 2] (2:56:33 - 2:56:34) Two thousand five hundred dollars. [Speaker 1] (2:56:37 - 2:56:44) I agree that they've increased their efforts, but again, I mean, and I'm happy to help them to some extent. [Speaker 7] (2:56:45 - 2:56:45) But [Speaker 8] (2:56:45 - 2:56:49) Are, don't they fundraise? Are they fundraising? Or is this part of that [Speaker 2] (2:56:49 - 2:56:49) They do. [Speaker 8] (2:56:49 - 2:56:51) the Glover? Is this the Glover thing? [Speaker 2] (2:56:51 - 2:56:53) Well, that's not the only thing the historical commission [Speaker 1] (2:56:53 - 2:56:53) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:56:53 - 2:56:53) does. The historical [Speaker 7] (2:56:53 - 2:56:54) But the commission most [Speaker 2] (2:56:54 - 2:56:54) does [Speaker 7] (2:56:54 - 2:56:54) recent [Speaker 2] (2:56:54 - 2:56:55) a lot. [Speaker 7] (2:56:55 - 2:56:55) to date that [Speaker 1] (2:56:55 - 2:56:55) Well, [Speaker 7] (2:56:55 - 2:56:55) I can [Speaker 1] (2:56:55 - 2:56:56) there actually [Speaker 7] (2:56:56 - 2:56:56) think of. [Speaker 1] (2:56:56 - 2:56:59) are a lot of other things that they're engaged with. You [Speaker 7] (2:56:59 - 2:56:59) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:56:59 - 2:57:04) know, lots of the exhibits or other, you know, issues around town [Speaker 8] (2:57:04 - 2:57:04) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:57:04 - 2:57:07) and, you know, all that stuff. So that, yes, there is fundraising around Glover, but [Speaker 8] (2:57:07 - 2:57:08) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:57:08 - 2:57:10) not about their kind of core. [Speaker 1] (2:57:10 - 2:57:12) day-to-day activities for [Speaker 4] (2:57:12 - 2:57:13) A year [Speaker 8] (2:57:13 - 2:57:13) I [Speaker 4] (2:57:13 - 2:57:13) -to-date [Speaker 8] (2:57:13 - 2:57:16) have to say I am a zero for this line. [Speaker 8] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16) I'm sorry. [Speaker 4] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16) A [Speaker 8] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16) I [Speaker 4] (2:57:16 - 2:57:17) year-to [Speaker 8] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17) can't. [Speaker 4] (2:57:17 - 2:57:20) -date they've spent $1,375. [Speaker 8] (2:57:20 - 2:57:20) I [Speaker 4] (2:57:20 - 2:57:20) So [Speaker 8] (2:57:20 - 2:57:21) can't. [Speaker 4] (2:57:21 - 2:57:22) $1,375. [Speaker 8] (2:57:23 - 2:57:24) This to [Speaker 2] (2:57:24 - 2:57:24) They also [Speaker 8] (2:57:24 - 2:57:24) me is a [Speaker 2] (2:57:24 - 2:57:25) received [Speaker 8] (2:57:25 - 2:57:25) want. [Speaker 2] (2:57:25 - 2:57:25) our funds, [Speaker 2] (2:57:25 - 2:57:29) so we have financially helped them in the past for [Speaker 1] (2:57:29 - 2:57:30) the Glover. [Speaker 2] (2:57:30 - 2:57:30) the Glover, [Speaker 2] (2:57:30 - 2:57:33) but they're the things [Speaker 2] (2:57:34 - 2:57:37) they wanted supported, we tried to financially support them when we could. [Speaker 2] (2:57:38 - 2:57:46) I think given the budget constraints I'm happy to leave it as is unless trends show they don't even spend twenty five hundred and then I would reduce it down to whatever trends show. [Speaker 11] (2:57:46 - 2:57:51) The f the five year average is is four thousand thirty nine dollars and sixty nine cents. [Speaker 2] (2:57:51 - 2:57:53) Okay, so I say we leave it at twenty five hundred. [Speaker 11] (2:57:53 - 2:57:53) That's fine, [Speaker 11] (2:57:54 - 2:57:54) Jim can forward. [Speaker 2] (2:57:55 - 2:57:57) Okay. Sorry, Doug. [Speaker 1] (2:57:58 - 2:57:59) That's okay, I'm just uh [Speaker 8] (2:57:59 - 2:58:01) It's alright, 'cause I wanted zero, Doug. You're lucky. [Speaker 11] (2:58:01 - 2:58:02) Tim, it's a it's a yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:58:02 - 2:58:03) It's [Speaker 1] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03) The [Speaker 2] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03) not [Speaker 1] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03) average. [Speaker 2] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03) the g [Speaker 1] (2:58:03 - 2:58:04) We got to the average. [Speaker 2] (2:58:04 - 2:58:04) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:58:04 - 2:58:06) Right. All right. Um [Speaker 8] (2:58:14 - 2:58:17) I hate to be this person, Amy, but I just sent you a text. [Speaker 2] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17) Oh. [Speaker 8] (2:58:19 - 2:58:25) MGL 3910 says that the warrant does not have to be mailed. So you might wanna look into that. [Speaker 2] (2:58:25 - 2:58:25) Okay. [Speaker 8] (2:58:26 - 2:58:32) it has to be issued, but doesn't have to be physically mailed. So there could be savings there, postage and whatnot. [Speaker 4] (2:58:33 - 2:58:34) I didn't get it one. [Speaker 1] (2:58:35 - 2:58:36) I think it's the [Speaker 2] (2:58:37 - 2:58:37) Oh, service? [Speaker 1] (2:58:37 - 2:58:38) action, yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:58:38 - 2:58:38) Fair. [Speaker 4] (2:58:38 - 2:58:39) Okay. [Speaker 5] (2:58:39 - 2:58:47) So the next one I had is in public services facilities and outside services town. [Speaker 5] (2:58:48 - 2:58:51) It had already been taken down from one twenty five to one twenty. [Speaker 4] (2:58:52 - 2:58:53) Five thousand. [Speaker 5] (2:58:54 - 2:58:57) And my suggestion was take it down another five for [Speaker 5] (2:58:57 - 2:59:01) Just completely random reason so [Speaker 6] (2:59:02 - 2:59:03) What does that line item represent, [Speaker 6] (2:59:03 - 2:59:04) Amy? [Speaker 2] (2:59:05 - 2:59:06) Thank you for calling it up. [Speaker 7] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:59:10 - 2:59:14) So the way Max has structured this is that the... [Speaker 2] (2:59:16 - 2:59:35) Building maintenance town is for the things that he and his staff can do and that is supplies for them to do it. Outside services town is for any of the maintenance that they have to outsource and so looking at their actual spend these have been [Speaker 6] (2:59:39 - 2:59:43) I have to assume he is going to spend the full amount of whatever line item we give him. [Speaker 2] (2:59:43 - 2:59:47) I I will say Max's request for all of these all of his lines were higher than [Speaker 6] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47) Were higher [Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:49) higher than what what we have to give him. [Speaker 5] (2:59:49 - 2:59:50) Understood. [Speaker 6] (2:59:50 - 2:59:52) But considering the situation we're in [Speaker 2] (2:59:52 - 2:59:57) Yeah, so these have all been for um electrical and HVAC outsourcing that they've had to do. [Speaker 5] (2:59:58 - 3:00:07) So I imagine Max in all his wisdom and experience and skill, if he only has a budget of one fifteen, he will work with that instead of one twenty. [Speaker 5] (3:00:09 - 3:00:09) See [Speaker 6] (3:00:09 - 3:00:09) The [Speaker 5] (3:00:09 - 3:00:09) you. [Speaker 2] (3:00:09 - 3:00:10) For [Speaker 6] (3:00:10 - 3:00:10) only [Speaker 2] (3:00:10 - 3:00:10) example. [Speaker 6] (3:00:10 - 3:00:13) caution I would like to say is when [Speaker 6] (3:00:16 - 3:00:24) we cut maintenance and services to major engineering services, [Speaker 6] (3:00:24 - 3:00:27) I don't know what the right way to say it, but like HVAC, electrical, [Speaker 6] (3:00:27 - 3:00:28) things like that, [Speaker 6] (3:00:28 - 3:00:31) like often you end up paying for it twofold. [Speaker 6] (3:00:33 - 3:00:38) So I'm inclined to keep this as is considering he already asked for more and we failed to give him what he asked for. [Speaker 8] (3:00:38 - 3:00:42) You you yeah, you you don't pay twofold you pay tenfold [Speaker 6] (3:00:42 - 3:00:42) There [Speaker 8] (3:00:42 - 3:00:42) and [Speaker 6] (3:00:42 - 3:00:42) you go, [Speaker 8] (3:00:42 - 3:00:45) and we've we're destined to repeat the same mistakes of the past [Speaker 6] (3:00:45 - 3:00:46) right. [Speaker 8] (3:00:46 - 3:00:49) by cutting this so I I just know why [Speaker 5] (3:00:49 - 3:00:56) We're only talking about five thousand dollars that he jacked up the mean building maintenance town the internal stuff is going up by ten [Speaker 6] (3:00:57 - 3:01:00) The school does their own the school has their own or does this include school? [Speaker 2] (3:01:01 - 3:01:07) Uh no. Uh if a number of years ago we split it so the the school got the funding for theirs and maintains it. [Speaker 2] (3:01:08 - 3:01:09) So this is town only. [Speaker 6] (3:01:11 - 3:01:12) Okay. I think it's important to note [Speaker 6] (3:01:13 - 3:01:15) Yes, do you have a microphone now? It's a [Speaker 6] (3:01:16 - 3:01:18) Sorry, sorry, maybe could switch. [Speaker 8] (3:01:18 - 3:01:18) They're going. [Speaker 6] (3:01:18 - 3:01:18) Eric's. [Speaker 9] (3:01:19 - 3:01:35) I will say from experience uh with the schools, I think it's important to note that when you do have that money set aside internally, that they get a lot m a lot more done than if they would have to go out and contract it. So uh it could very well be money well spent. [Speaker 5] (3:01:36 - 3:01:37) Right. So I'm saying you [Speaker 2] (3:01:37 - 3:01:37) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (3:01:37 - 3:01:44) know we're going up ten thousand internal, we're only going down five thousand external. It's actually going up. [Speaker 5] (3:01:45 - 3:01:47) I mean, I know things are [Speaker 9] (3:01:47 - 3:01:47) And [Speaker 5] (3:01:47 - 3:01:47) things that [Speaker 9] (3:01:47 - 3:01:47) construction [Speaker 5] (3:01:47 - 3:01:48) come out. [Speaker 9] (3:01:48 - 3:01:49) is significantly more expensive. [Speaker 5] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50) What's that? [Speaker 6] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50) The [Speaker 9] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50) Construction [Speaker 6] (3:01:50 - 3:01:51) services [Speaker 9] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51) and supplies [Speaker 6] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51) and construction [Speaker 9] (3:01:51 - 3:01:52) and services [Speaker 6] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52) of the are lot. [Speaker 9] (3:01:52 - 3:01:53) significantly more [Speaker 5] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53) Sure. [Speaker 9] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53) expensive. [Speaker 6] (3:01:55 - 3:02:00) I'm inclined to leave it as is. Doug, I hear your point, but it sounds [Speaker 1] (3:02:00 - 3:02:00) I'm inclined to [Speaker 6] (3:02:00 - 3:02:01) like we're [Speaker 1] (3:02:01 - 3:02:03) take the 2500 from historical and put it here. [Speaker 6] (3:02:03 - 3:02:05) Alright, we've already it we have. [Speaker 1] (3:02:06 - 3:02:06) I'm [Speaker 6] (3:02:06 - 3:02:06) We've [Speaker 1] (3:02:06 - 3:02:06) sorry. [Speaker 6] (3:02:06 - 3:02:08) already moved on from historical, so let's [Speaker 5] (3:02:08 - 3:02:08) We moved [Speaker 6] (3:02:08 - 3:02:08) move on. [Speaker 5] (3:02:08 - 3:02:09) on from that line item. [Speaker 6] (3:02:09 - 3:02:10) Yep, let's move on. [Speaker 1] (3:02:10 - 3:02:10) I'm sorry. [Speaker 6] (3:02:10 - 3:02:16) We're getting to that hour and I want to keep things productive, so let's move on. We can always circle back. [Speaker 1] (3:02:17 - 3:02:17) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:02:17 - 3:02:18) What's next? [Speaker 1] (3:02:18 - 3:02:18) Here. [Speaker 8] (3:02:18 - 3:02:19) Never. [Speaker 5] (3:02:19 - 3:02:23) Right. And then there's an operating expense fuel and gas line. [Speaker 6] (3:02:23 - 3:02:25) Is this the date, is this the [Speaker 5] (3:02:25 - 3:02:25) Up [Speaker 6] (3:02:25 - 3:02:26) line David brought up from transportation [Speaker 5] (3:02:26 - 3:02:27) by seventeen [Speaker 6] (3:02:27 - 3:02:27) originally? [Speaker 5] (3:02:27 - 3:02:27) thousand. [Speaker 2] (3:02:28 - 3:02:32) So th these are the utilities, so electric and gas. [Speaker 1] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33) Oh, these [Speaker 2] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33) So [Speaker 1] (3:02:33 - 3:02:34) are not Yeah, not [Speaker 6] (3:02:34 - 3:02:34) Is that [Speaker 1] (3:02:34 - 3:02:34) from these [Speaker 6] (3:02:34 - 3:02:34) for [Speaker 1] (3:02:34 - 3:02:35) Verizon? from gas. are the [Speaker 2] (3:02:35 - 3:02:35) These are [Speaker 1] (3:02:35 - 3:02:35) This [Speaker 2] (3:02:35 - 3:02:35) the is actual [Speaker 1] (3:02:35 - 3:02:36) like utility bills, [Speaker 5] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36) Sorry? [Speaker 6] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36) Is that [Speaker 2] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36) not [Speaker 8] (3:02:36 - 3:02:37) gasoline. [Speaker 6] (3:02:37 - 3:02:37) it? [Speaker 2] (3:02:37 - 3:02:37) gas? [Speaker 2] (3:02:37 - 3:02:37) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:02:37 - 3:02:37) This [Speaker 5] (3:02:37 - 3:02:39) I is understand. Okay. Yeah, [Speaker 2] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39) Well [Speaker 5] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39) utility. [Speaker 2] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39) both [Speaker 5] (3:02:39 - 3:02:40) So why? [Speaker 2] (3:02:40 - 3:02:50) of these lines are already over for this year. So Max is trying to figure out where he can stop maintaining the buildings this year to cover the rest of the utility costs. [Speaker 6] (3:02:51 - 3:02:51) Great. [Speaker 1] (3:02:51 - 3:02:53) The price of gas is going down, so [Speaker 5] (3:02:53 - 3:02:54) Right. [Speaker 2] (3:02:54 - 3:03:00) And I will say that the overage is net of the 50,000 free cash that was given to facilities. [Speaker 6] (3:03:01 - 3:03:01) From [Speaker 2] (3:03:01 - 3:03:02) This year, um [Speaker 6] (3:03:02 - 3:03:04) the utilities reserve. [Speaker 2] (3:03:04 - 3:03:04) yes. [Speaker 6] (3:03:04 - 3:03:05) And we still over. [Speaker 8] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06) But just remember our [Speaker 6] (3:03:06 - 3:03:07) 'Kay. [Speaker 8] (3:03:07 - 3:03:07) budget [Speaker 1] (3:03:07 - 3:03:07) He's over [Speaker 8] (3:03:07 - 3:03:07) reserved [Speaker 1] (3:03:07 - 3:03:08) the fifty thousand. [Speaker 8] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08) by forty [Speaker 2] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (3:03:08 - 3:03:09) thousand. [Speaker 6] (3:03:09 - 3:03:09) He [Speaker 2] (3:03:09 - 3:03:09) Yeah, [Speaker 6] (3:03:09 - 3:03:09) spent [Speaker 2] (3:03:09 - 3:03:09) their project [Speaker 6] (3:03:09 - 3:03:10) all the fifty thousand. [Speaker 2] (3:03:10 - 3:03:11) they're projected to be ten thousand over. [Speaker 6] (3:03:11 - 3:03:12) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:03:12 - 3:03:12) Now. [Speaker 1] (3:03:13 - 3:03:14) Okay, moving right along. [Speaker 6] (3:03:16 - 3:03:20) Well, hopefully he won't have the Hadley online [Speaker 1] (3:03:20 - 3:03:21) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (3:03:21 - 3:03:22) in twenty secs. [Speaker 9] (3:03:22 - 3:03:22) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:03:22 - 3:03:23) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (3:03:23 - 3:03:27) So he may see not a savings, but at least the depreciation in that line [Speaker 1] (3:03:27 - 3:03:29) item In he the clerk for that matter. The clerk isn't [Speaker 6] (3:03:29 - 3:03:29) Well, [Speaker 1] (3:03:29 - 3:03:30) online. [Speaker 6] (3:03:30 - 3:03:36) but he still has to f he still has to maintain the clerk. Hadley would be out of his possession and in possession of [Speaker 1] (3:03:36 - 3:03:37) Well, the clerk's in the school budget, right? [Speaker 6] (3:03:38 - 3:03:39) Today. [Speaker 1] (3:03:39 - 3:03:39) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (3:03:39 - 3:03:39) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (3:03:39 - 3:03:40) Right? Yep. [Speaker 5] (3:03:40 - 3:03:40) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:03:40 - 3:03:41) Yep, okay. [Speaker 2] (3:03:44 - 3:03:46) All right. Doug, next. [Speaker 5] (3:03:46 - 3:03:53) All right, cemetery personnel went up 7,000. [Speaker 2] (3:03:57 - 3:03:57) Yep. [Speaker 10] (3:03:57 - 3:03:58) New licenses. [Speaker 10] (3:03:58 - 3:04:04) Guys that we hired at a laborer's, one of you acquired his hoist and license and his CDL license. [Speaker 2] (3:04:06 - 3:04:06) So [Speaker 1] (3:04:06 - 3:04:06) That's [Speaker 2] (3:04:06 - 3:04:06) they are [Speaker 1] (3:04:06 - 3:04:06) contractually [Speaker 2] (3:04:06 - 3:04:07) collectively bargained. [Speaker 1] (3:04:07 - 3:04:07) obligated. [Speaker 2] (3:04:07 - 3:04:08) Yes. [Speaker 5] (3:04:09 - 3:04:09) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:04:10 - 3:04:10) I was gonna say [Speaker 1] (3:04:10 - 3:04:10) Yes. [Speaker 6] (3:04:10 - 3:04:12) sets and lanes, but is that right? [Speaker 10] (3:04:12 - 3:04:12) Right. [Speaker 6] (3:04:13 - 3:04:14) They've moved up. [Speaker 2] (3:04:14 - 3:04:15) Yes. [Speaker 10] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15) Yep. [Speaker 6] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:04:16 - 3:04:18) They have grades and steps on our sets [Speaker 6] (3:04:18 - 3:04:18) Grades [Speaker 2] (3:04:18 - 3:04:18) and we [Speaker 6] (3:04:18 - 3:04:19) and steps. Okay. [Speaker 5] (3:04:20 - 3:04:24) Equipment maintenance under cemetery went from 3,500 to 5,000. [Speaker 10] (3:04:24 - 3:04:33) The reason I boosted that one up is because the two lawn mowers in the cemetery uh five or six years old and the backhoe's getting older. [Speaker 6] (3:04:34 - 3:04:36) So the assumption is with age they will require more maintenance. [Speaker 10] (3:04:36 - 3:04:36) Yes. [Speaker 1] (3:04:37 - 3:04:38) But they still work? [Speaker 5] (3:04:39 - 3:04:39) Still work. [Speaker 6] (3:04:39 - 3:04:41) Today, but if we don't maintain them. [Speaker 6] (3:04:45 - 3:04:50) So could you take a thousand instead of fifteen hundred, Gino, for that line item? [Speaker 5] (3:04:50 - 3:04:51) Sure. [Speaker 6] (3:04:51 - 3:04:54) Okay, so let's take it down five hundred dollars. [Speaker 5] (3:05:00 - 3:05:03) Um almost done. Um public works. [Speaker 5] (3:05:06 - 3:05:08) Over time, up ten thousand. [Speaker 1] (3:05:12 - 3:05:14) Just hear my collective gasp there, Gino [Speaker 5] (3:05:14 - 3:05:14) Cresto. Oh. [Speaker 10] (3:05:14 - 3:05:18) Oh, okay. Oh, that's up in overtime, because what we started doing last year, [Speaker 10] (3:05:18 - 3:05:20) working with Solid Waste Advisory, [Speaker 10] (3:05:21 - 3:05:29) we're emptying trash barrels twice on the weekend on all the beach in the towns. So we have two gentlemen on standby, [Speaker 10] (3:05:29 - 3:05:34) and from Memorial Day to Labor Day, they just come in on both Saturday and Sunday. And as a matter of fact, [Speaker 10] (3:05:34 - 3:05:40) Last year we started coming in twice on Saturday on the real warm days to Auntie Philip's and Fisherman's Beach. [Speaker 5] (3:05:43 - 3:05:44) Hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:05:45 - 3:05:46) That's a necessity, [Speaker 6] (3:05:48 - 3:05:48) Well, [Speaker 1] (3:05:48 - 3:05:50) it is in the trash [Speaker 6] (3:05:50 - 3:05:52) I mean, I've been to beaches that are carry in carry out. [Speaker 10] (3:05:52 - 3:05:53) We tried [Speaker 6] (3:05:53 - 3:05:53) So I [Speaker 10] (3:05:53 - 3:05:54) that. Oh, yes. [Speaker 6] (3:05:54 - 3:05:56) know we tried that and I'm not suggesting that. [Speaker 6] (3:05:56 - 3:05:59) I'm just saying in this wants and needs. [Speaker 5] (3:06:01 - 3:06:01) And [Speaker 9] (3:06:01 - 3:06:02) Oh. [Speaker 5] (3:06:02 - 3:06:03) do we have actuals on that? [Speaker 5] (3:06:04 - 3:06:06) Is that do we have some experience? [Speaker 2] (3:06:07 - 3:06:07) Yes. [Speaker 5] (3:06:08 - 3:06:10) And we did that last summer, [Speaker 5] (3:06:10 - 3:06:11) which is what they said. [Speaker 5] (3:06:12 - 3:06:18) And in total over time, last year we had a budget of 40, and this year, [Speaker 5] (3:06:18 - 3:06:18) right now, [Speaker 6] (3:06:18 - 3:06:20) Did we go over last year? [Speaker 5] (3:06:20 - 3:06:22) or like this year that we're in. [Speaker 6] (3:06:23 - 3:06:24) We haven't hit peach season. [Speaker 1] (3:06:24 - 3:06:35) but do we have to be paying overtime to DPW workers to do it is there another way to do it can we be utilizing high school kids rec staff like is there somebody else that can do it cheaper [Speaker 5] (3:06:35 - 3:06:36) Senior worker, I'm sure. [Speaker 1] (3:06:36 - 3:06:40) honestly like is there some other way that we don't have to pay overtime my [Speaker 10] (3:06:40 - 3:06:44) Are we not? My experience over the years, volunteers don't work at the beginning, [Speaker 10] (3:06:44 - 3:06:44) they're all gun-ho, [Speaker 10] (3:06:45 - 3:06:48) yep, we're going to do this, and then when it's raining or something comes up. [Speaker 1] (3:06:48 - 3:06:50) not necessarily volunteers but less expensive [Speaker 6] (3:06:52 - 3:06:52) Stat [Speaker 1] (3:06:52 - 3:06:52) late [Speaker 6] (3:06:52 - 3:06:52) work. [Speaker 1] (3:06:52 - 3:06:52) but [Speaker 5] (3:06:53 - 3:06:55) Summer intern. I don't know, you [Speaker 1] (3:06:55 - 3:06:56) You know for paying people [Speaker 2] (3:06:56 - 3:06:56) We [Speaker 1] (3:06:56 - 3:06:57) we're paying kids to cut the [Speaker 2] (3:06:57 - 3:06:57) We [Speaker 1] (3:06:57 - 3:06:57) lawn already in the [Speaker 2] (3:06:57 - 3:06:58) cut the summer help. [Speaker 10] (3:06:58 - 3:06:59) right right. [Speaker 1] (3:06:59 - 3:07:00) What's [Speaker 5] (3:07:00 - 3:07:00) up? Well, but [Speaker 10] (3:07:00 - 3:07:03) I went from five summer help already to help out down to two. [Speaker 1] (3:07:03 - 3:07:11) Right, but I mean I'm I'm saying like the rec staff the Parks League people like is there any other have we thought of anything else that [Speaker 10] (3:07:11 - 3:07:14) I'm not going to say we haven't thought of it, but those bags get real heavy so [Speaker 1] (3:07:14 - 3:07:14) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (3:07:14 - 3:07:14) Yeah, we [Speaker 6] (3:07:14 - 3:07:15) I think it would kind [Speaker 10] (3:07:15 - 3:07:15) got an [Speaker 6] (3:07:15 - 3:07:15) of [Speaker 10] (3:07:15 - 3:07:15) archaic [Speaker 6] (3:07:15 - 3:07:19) be cool to system. just have a rec staff member pulling trash out and putting it where? [Speaker 6] (3:07:19 - 3:07:19) They're [Speaker 2] (3:07:19 - 3:07:19) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:07:19 - 3:07:19) gonna have to [Speaker 10] (3:07:19 - 3:07:20) On [Speaker 6] (3:07:20 - 3:07:20) right [Speaker 10] (3:07:20 - 3:07:20) the back [Speaker 6] (3:07:20 - 3:07:20) now [Speaker 10] (3:07:20 - 3:07:20) of [Speaker 6] (3:07:20 - 3:07:20) it goes [Speaker 10] (3:07:20 - 3:07:21) a dump [Speaker 6] (3:07:21 - 3:07:22) on the truck back of a DWB [Speaker 1] (3:07:22 - 3:07:22) Right. [Speaker 6] (3:07:22 - 3:07:22) truck. [Speaker 10] (3:07:22 - 3:07:24) to the cemetery and [Speaker 6] (3:07:24 - 3:07:24) The wreck [Speaker 10] (3:07:24 - 3:07:24) then back [Speaker 6] (3:07:24 - 3:07:24) employees [Speaker 10] (3:07:24 - 3:07:25) of the truck thrown it [Speaker 6] (3:07:25 - 3:07:27) are not driving Yeah. to DWB [Speaker 2] (3:07:27 - 3:07:27) 53 [Speaker 6] (3:07:27 - 3:07:28) trucks. [Speaker 2] (3:07:28 - 3:07:29) ,000 last year. [Speaker 6] (3:07:30 - 3:07:30) Fifty [Speaker 1] (3:07:30 - 3:07:30) Thirty [Speaker 6] (3:07:30 - 3:07:31) three thousand? [Speaker 1] (3:07:31 - 3:07:32) three thousand in overtime. [Speaker 5] (3:07:32 - 3:07:33) This year that we're in right now. [Speaker 10] (3:07:34 - 3:07:34) But it's [Speaker 2] (3:07:34 - 3:07:34) No, [Speaker 10] (3:07:34 - 3:07:34) not Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:07:34 - 3:07:39) that was FY 24. We're at forty one thousand this year with the summer not starting yet. [Speaker 8] (3:07:39 - 3:07:41) We're going to have a month of beach season. [Speaker 5] (3:07:41 - 3:07:41) Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:07:41 - 3:07:41) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (3:07:41 - 3:07:41) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:07:41 - 3:07:43) Okay, so then that would [Speaker 10] (3:07:43 - 3:07:44) But it's also not just for trash. [Speaker 6] (3:07:44 - 3:07:45) Yeah, it's not just [Speaker 10] (3:07:45 - 3:07:46) We have two guys on standby. [Speaker 10] (3:07:46 - 3:07:47) If something happens over the weekend, [Speaker 10] (3:07:48 - 3:07:53) they get called in. The good thing is about being on standby is they don't get a four hour minimum for coming in. [Speaker 1] (3:07:53 - 3:07:54) What do they get? [Speaker 10] (3:07:55 - 3:07:55) Hour for hour. [Speaker 6] (3:07:57 - 3:07:58) They only get paid if they come in? [Speaker 10] (3:07:59 - 3:08:00) Yep. Well, they get standby. [Speaker 1] (3:08:01 - 3:08:02) They get stand-by pay. [Speaker 10] (3:08:02 - 3:08:02) Standby [Speaker 6] (3:08:02 - 3:08:03) Do we need two? [Speaker 10] (3:08:03 - 3:08:04) is contractual yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:08:04 - 3:08:04) Yep. [Speaker 6] (3:08:04 - 3:08:04) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (3:08:04 - 3:08:04) Yep. [Speaker 10] (3:08:04 - 3:08:05) If it's [Speaker 6] (3:08:05 - 3:08:05) it's safe contractual. [Speaker 10] (3:08:05 - 3:08:06) to do so. Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:08:06 - 3:08:07) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:08:08 - 3:08:08) Alright. [Speaker 5] (3:08:10 - 3:08:11) All righty. [Speaker 5] (3:08:13 - 3:08:18) You got a three, oh that's already cut, part-time staff and public works. [Speaker 10] (3:08:18 - 3:08:18) Yep. [Speaker 5] (3:08:18 - 3:08:19) Thanks, Gino. [Speaker 1] (3:08:19 - 3:08:20) Thank you, Gina. [Speaker 5] (3:08:20 - 3:08:20) Um [Speaker 2] (3:08:20 - 3:08:28) Um sorry to go backwards. I've received several text messages and emails from people that our bylaws specify that we have to mail the warrant. [Speaker 1] (3:08:28 - 3:08:29) So our by-law is a [Speaker 4] (3:08:30 - 3:08:31) Okay, so we [Speaker 1] (3:08:31 - 3:08:31) Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:08:31 - 3:08:31) can change that. [Speaker 1] (3:08:31 - 3:08:32) Okay, great. [Speaker 2] (3:08:32 - 3:08:33) We can certainly change [Speaker 1] (3:08:33 - 3:08:33) That's [Speaker 2] (3:08:33 - 3:08:33) that, [Speaker 1] (3:08:33 - 3:08:33) to the [Speaker 2] (3:08:33 - 3:08:33) yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:08:33 - 3:08:34) bottom there. [Speaker 2] (3:08:34 - 3:08:37) Are we on are we are we being recorded? Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:08:38 - 3:08:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (3:08:38 - 3:08:39) Just [Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:41) 'Kay. [Speaker 4] (3:08:41 - 3:08:43) Oh, we've just clearly lost the teams. [Speaker 5] (3:08:43 - 3:08:44) Just on that. [Speaker 2] (3:08:44 - 3:08:45) Just on this TV. [Speaker 4] (3:08:45 - 3:08:45) On the [Speaker 1] (3:08:45 - 3:08:45) Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:08:45 - 3:08:45) second [Speaker 2] (3:08:45 - 3:08:46) So it's on this [Speaker 4] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46) I see. [Speaker 2] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46) Team. [Speaker 5] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46) TV. [Speaker 1] (3:08:46 - 3:08:48) Te teams is still very [Speaker 4] (3:08:48 - 3:08:48) Okay, [Speaker 1] (3:08:48 - 3:08:48) much running. [Speaker 4] (3:08:48 - 3:08:48) um right. [Speaker 5] (3:08:48 - 3:08:49) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49) Okay. [Speaker 5] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49) Oh. [Speaker 4] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (3:08:50 - 3:08:50) Whew. [Speaker 2] (3:08:50 - 3:08:50) Oh. [Speaker 1] (3:08:50 - 3:08:51) Alright. Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:08:52 - 3:08:52) Um [Speaker 1] (3:08:52 - 3:08:54) Which means the recording will exist. [Speaker 4] (3:08:55 - 3:09:03) The increase in personnel line seventeen uh thirteen thousand I assume is just all contractual math, right? [Speaker 6] (3:09:03 - 3:09:03) Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:09:03 - 3:09:03) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (3:09:04 - 3:09:05) Uh um [Speaker 2] (3:09:07 - 3:09:07) Seventeen thousand [Speaker 4] (3:09:07 - 3:09:07) Fuel? [Speaker 2] (3:09:07 - 3:09:09) five hundred in fuel. Fuel [Speaker 4] (3:09:09 - 3:09:11) Yeah, yeah. there we're going fuel? [Speaker 2] (3:09:11 - 3:09:11) Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:09:11 - 3:09:15) Oh, my favourite topic. Twenty five hundred hour increase in fuel. [Speaker 2] (3:09:16 - 3:09:17) That's fuel for [Speaker 4] (3:09:18 - 3:09:18) Trucks. [Speaker 2] (3:09:18 - 3:09:19) trucks. [Speaker 6] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19) Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:09:19 - 3:09:25) So it's broken down, we'll go a third of it in sewer, a third of it in water, and a third of it in DPW. [Speaker 2] (3:09:26 - 3:09:28) Okay, so it's twenty five hundred total or a twenty five hundred increase? [Speaker 4] (3:09:29 - 3:09:29) Twenty five hundred [Speaker 1] (3:09:29 - 3:09:30) Twenty five increase. hundred dollar increase. [Speaker 4] (3:09:30 - 3:09:31) increase please. [Speaker 1] (3:09:31 - 3:09:33) It's fifteen thou what's fifteen thousand last year is seventeen five [Speaker 2] (3:09:33 - 3:09:40) When we when we project for a gas price decrease though, I mean, with gas prices down, does that not have an [Speaker 4] (3:09:40 - 3:09:41) It would definitely have an impact. [Speaker 2] (3:09:42 - 3:09:43) Right, I mean [Speaker 4] (3:09:43 - 3:09:44) Amy, what is the five year average? [Speaker 7] (3:09:45 - 3:09:46) Fuel. BPW. [Speaker 2] (3:09:47 - 3:09:50) David, what was the fuel line you had suggested a reduction in? [Speaker 7] (3:09:52 - 3:09:53) Facilities is one of them. [Speaker 4] (3:09:53 - 3:09:54) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:09:54 - 3:09:55) We've already passed it. [Speaker 4] (3:09:55 - 3:09:55) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:09:55 - 3:09:55) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:09:56 - 3:09:58) Five-year average is... [Speaker 1] (3:10:00 - 3:10:08) Nine thousand, but looks like there was an anomaly in twenty three where the line actually had negative usage. So I wouldn't stock [Speaker 2] (3:10:08 - 3:10:08) So that makes zero [Speaker 1] (3:10:08 - 3:10:09) in that average. [Speaker 2] (3:10:09 - 3:10:11) sense at all. [Speaker 4] (3:10:11 - 3:10:11) Right. [Speaker 8] (3:10:11 - 3:10:13) So if you remove that, what does the average become, Amy? [Speaker 8] (3:10:13 - 3:10:14) If you don't mind. [Speaker 1] (3:10:18 - 3:10:19) Fifteen five seventy eight. [Speaker 8] (3:10:20 - 3:10:21) Thank you, five seventy eight. [Speaker 4] (3:10:21 - 3:10:22) Can we get a thousand, Gino? [Speaker 8] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22) So [Speaker 7] (3:10:23 - 3:10:24) Yeah, looks like you could take fifteen hundred. [Speaker 8] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25) Thanks, [Speaker 7] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25) Let's see Gino. that. [Speaker 8] (3:10:25 - 3:10:26) Gino. [Speaker 7] (3:10:26 - 3:10:26) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:10:26 - 3:10:27) Fifteen hundred. [Speaker 4] (3:10:27 - 3:10:27) Huh? [Speaker 8] (3:10:28 - 3:10:29) Fifteen hundred. [Speaker 7] (3:10:30 - 3:10:31) That's right. [Speaker 7] (3:10:31 - 3:10:32) This is twofold, you know. [Speaker 7] (3:10:33 - 3:10:34) Trying to get Yeah, get [Speaker 2] (3:10:34 - 3:10:36) I know what you're trying to do, Cresta. I know. I got my eye on you. [Speaker 7] (3:10:36 - 3:10:37) Alright. [Speaker 2] (3:10:37 - 3:10:38) I got my eye on you. [Speaker 4] (3:10:38 - 3:10:39) You can put all that [Speaker 2] (3:10:39 - 3:10:39) I [Speaker 4] (3:10:39 - 3:10:39) in your [Speaker 2] (3:10:39 - 3:10:39) know. [Speaker 4] (3:10:39 - 3:10:40) budget if [Speaker 2] (3:10:40 - 3:10:40) I [Speaker 4] (3:10:40 - 3:10:40) you want. [Speaker 2] (3:10:40 - 3:10:40) know he is. [Speaker 8] (3:10:41 - 3:10:42) Alright. [Speaker 4] (3:10:42 - 3:10:46) Equipment maintenance, 37.5 stayed the same. [Speaker 4] (3:10:47 - 3:10:50) No wiggle room there? What is that? Are those contracts or? [Speaker 7] (3:10:50 - 3:10:55) No, that's my mechanic fixing the trucks and things get banged up a little bit. [Speaker 7] (3:10:55 - 3:10:56) It's all set pretty much [Speaker 4] (3:10:56 - 3:10:57) Is this [Speaker 7] (3:10:57 - 3:10:57) anyway. [Speaker 4] (3:10:57 - 3:10:58) actually a salary or [Speaker 7] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58) Oh. [Speaker 4] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58) okay. [Speaker 8] (3:10:58 - 3:10:59) This is the actual m [Speaker 7] (3:10:59 - 3:11:02) It actually equipment maintenance on all our equipment. [Speaker 8] (3:11:04 - 3:11:06) Okay. Signs. [Speaker 7] (3:11:07 - 3:11:11) Signs, if I had it my way, it w it wouldn't be a sign in town, but we know that's not gonna happen. [Speaker 8] (3:11:11 - 3:11:12) Not gonna happen, Gino. [Speaker 7] (3:11:12 - 3:11:12) Right. [Speaker 8] (3:11:13 - 3:11:16) So we deplete this every year. [Speaker 7] (3:11:16 - 3:11:16) Every year. [Speaker 8] (3:11:16 - 3:11:17) Amy. [Speaker 8] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18) Every [Speaker 7] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18) Signs. [Speaker 8] (3:11:18 - 3:11:19) year. Yep, [Speaker 7] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19) Right. [Speaker 8] (3:11:19 - 3:11:21) signs. Signs, signs everywhere signs. [Speaker 8] (3:11:22 - 3:11:23) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:11:23 - 3:11:26) And operating expense supplies went up by $5,000? [Speaker 8] (3:11:27 - 3:11:28) Now what's that? [Speaker 7] (3:11:30 - 3:11:35) There's a lot of that that supplies there is... I want to make sure I'm saying this right. [Speaker 8] (3:11:36 - 3:11:38) You know what, you don't just need to be on the spot. [Speaker 7] (3:11:38 - 3:11:38) Is [Speaker 8] (3:11:38 - 3:11:39) Amy has answered [Speaker 2] (3:11:39 - 3:11:39) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:11:39 - 3:11:40) for every other department. [Speaker 7] (3:11:40 - 3:11:41) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:11:41 - 3:11:43) You don't have to answer for your budget for your department. [Speaker 8] (3:11:43 - 3:11:44) Amy, what is in that line item that's [Speaker 1] (3:11:44 - 3:11:45) I [Speaker 8] (3:11:45 - 3:11:45) going [Speaker 1] (3:11:45 - 3:11:45) was [Speaker 8] (3:11:45 - 3:11:45) on? [Speaker 1] (3:11:45 - 3:11:46) trying to get a break. [Speaker 8] (3:11:47 - 3:11:47) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:11:47 - 3:11:48) That's a lot [Speaker 2] (3:11:48 - 3:11:48) All right, [Speaker 1] (3:11:48 - 3:11:48) of lines [Speaker 2] (3:11:48 - 3:11:49) Christy, you're back on the spot. [Speaker 7] (3:11:49 - 3:11:50) Well, [Speaker 8] (3:11:50 - 3:11:50) Right. [Speaker 7] (3:11:50 - 3:11:51) I know a lot of most of this... [Speaker 7] (3:11:52 - 3:11:56) And the supplies is asphalt for paving, all right? [Speaker 1] (3:11:56 - 3:12:03) Alright, so to to jog Gino's memory, um Donovan equipment, [Speaker 1] (3:12:03 - 3:12:06) rental, Gilbert and Cole, [Speaker 1] (3:12:07 - 3:12:07) Delisio, [Speaker 7] (3:12:07 - 3:12:09) Yep cement. [Speaker 1] (3:12:09 - 3:12:12) Um, Barry Morse. [Speaker 2] (3:12:14 - 3:12:15) Who are these people? [Speaker 7] (3:12:15 - 3:12:16) Was So it the last one? A miss? [Speaker 1] (3:12:16 - 3:12:19) these are Gilbert and Moore's contracts, [Speaker 2] (3:12:19 - 3:12:19) Oh, Gilbert and Cole. [Speaker 7] (3:12:19 - 3:12:20) gilbert [Speaker 1] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20) or [Speaker 7] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20) Gilbert Cole's [Speaker 1] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20) or [Speaker 7] (3:12:20 - 3:12:21) mum. [Speaker 1] (3:12:21 - 3:12:21) supplies. [Speaker 2] (3:12:21 - 3:12:22) Or supplies. [Speaker 1] (3:12:23 - 3:12:25) F-A-I-A, I don't wanna mispronounce [Speaker 2] (3:12:25 - 3:12:25) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:12:25 - 3:12:25) that. [Speaker 7] (3:12:26 - 3:12:26) Fair. [Speaker 1] (3:12:26 - 3:12:27) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:12:27 - 3:12:27) Yep. [Speaker 2] (3:12:28 - 3:12:28) So [Speaker 4] (3:12:28 - 3:12:30) So what's the five year average of actual spend? [Speaker 1] (3:12:35 - 3:12:35) What we had us. [Speaker 1] (3:12:37 - 3:12:38) Bike last year, 50. [Speaker 8] (3:12:39 - 3:12:40) 50? [Speaker 8] (3:12:42 - 3:12:43) Gino. [Speaker 4] (3:12:43 - 3:12:44) Can we keep it at 55? [Speaker 8] (3:12:44 - 3:12:45) We keep it at 55. [Speaker 7] (3:12:46 - 3:12:47) Fifty five it is. [Speaker 8] (3:12:47 - 3:12:48) 55. [Speaker 2] (3:12:48 - 3:12:49) It's a land cruise, right? [Speaker 8] (3:12:49 - 3:12:49) That's [Speaker 4] (3:12:49 - 3:12:49) Oh, [Speaker 8] (3:12:49 - 3:12:49) a $5 [Speaker 4] (3:12:49 - 3:12:49) yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:12:49 - 3:12:50) ,000 [Speaker 4] (3:12:50 - 3:12:50) Five thousand [Speaker 8] (3:12:50 - 3:12:50) savings. [Speaker 4] (3:12:50 - 3:12:51) dollars, that's very good work. [Speaker 2] (3:12:51 - 3:12:52) But it was beneath our... [Speaker 7] (3:12:52 - 3:12:53) Halfway to rich. [Speaker 8] (3:12:58 - 3:12:59) Um, okay, [Speaker 8] (3:12:59 - 3:12:59) I heard. [Speaker 8] (3:13:01 - 3:13:13) At another meeting that we wanted to reduce the shade trees by ten thousand dollars. But I know we don't want another presentation from the tree committee about our issues regarding removing shade trees because [Speaker 1] (3:13:13 - 3:13:15) This would not remove any if [Speaker 8] (3:13:15 - 3:13:27) well it wouldn't allow us to fix the problem we already have. So a reduction in shade trees would be a long-term environmental issue with s significant impacts. [Speaker 8] (3:13:28 - 3:13:30) to global warming and other things right listen [Speaker 4] (3:13:30 - 3:13:34) We did take a thousand out of the flu shot, so, you know, I mean... [Speaker 8] (3:13:34 - 3:13:35) I'm just saying [Speaker 4] (3:13:35 - 3:13:37) We have lost 10% of [Speaker 8] (3:13:37 - 3:13:37) it's [Speaker 4] (3:13:37 - 3:13:37) them. [Speaker 8] (3:13:37 - 3:13:42) like the pipes second the trees okay so we've had a long-term issue with the pipes [Speaker 8] (3:13:43 - 3:13:45) We're gonna have that same issue as we remove more [Speaker 7] (3:13:45 - 3:13:45) Okay. [Speaker 8] (3:13:45 - 3:13:46) and more shade trees. [Speaker 4] (3:13:46 - 3:13:49) You don't want me to continue the analogy about taking away the flu shots, okay? [Speaker 8] (3:13:49 - 3:13:52) I'm just saying, you went to bat for Historic Commission, I [Speaker 2] (3:13:52 - 3:13:53) Historic [Speaker 8] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53) have to go [Speaker 2] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53) Commission, [Speaker 8] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53) to bat for [Speaker 2] (3:13:53 - 3:13:54) $2,500. [Speaker 8] (3:13:54 - 3:13:58) the trees. I have to go to bat for the trees. Let's [Speaker 2] (3:13:58 - 3:14:00) There are your flu shots in your trees. [Speaker 8] (3:14:00 - 3:14:03) Okay. So I don't want to hear any [Speaker 1] (3:14:03 - 3:14:03) It's all been problem [Speaker 8] (3:14:03 - 3:14:04) reduction [Speaker 1] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04) fluff in in [Speaker 8] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04) the [Speaker 1] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04) the [Speaker 8] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04) shade [Speaker 1] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04) right [Speaker 8] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04) trees. [Speaker 1] (3:14:04 - 3:14:05) area. [Speaker 4] (3:14:05 - 3:14:05) Sorry. [Speaker 8] (3:14:05 - 3:14:05) This [Speaker 8] (3:14:07 - 3:14:11) Unless the money that's going out of the shade tree is going into tree maintenance. [Speaker 4] (3:14:11 - 3:14:12) Okay, okay, no one's arguing [Speaker 8] (3:14:12 - 3:14:13) You think with it [Speaker 4] (3:14:13 - 3:14:13) the shade [Speaker 8] (3:14:13 - 3:14:13) is? [Speaker 4] (3:14:13 - 3:14:13) tree. [Speaker 8] (3:14:13 - 3:14:15) Okay, great, thank you. Just saying it. [Speaker 8] (3:14:16 - 3:14:17) Uh [Speaker 4] (3:14:17 - 3:14:18) Contract field maintenance. [Speaker 7] (3:14:18 - 3:14:19) Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:14:19 - 3:14:23) Set 78, 885 going up to 85. [Speaker 7] (3:14:24 - 3:14:25) Yep. [Speaker 7] (3:14:25 - 3:14:27) And that's because we've gone all organic [Speaker 2] (3:14:27 - 3:14:27) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:14:27 - 3:14:34) instead of using the pesticides and herbicides, and the price just keeps going up. And basically that was such a treat for the fields in town. [Speaker 7] (3:14:34 - 3:14:38) The only ones we up are Jackson. Actually we treat lower Jackson. [Speaker 7] (3:14:39 - 3:14:45) We treat uh Velocity Baseball Diamond and the Prackett's football field organically [Speaker 4] (3:14:46 - 3:14:47) Treating it for [Speaker 7] (3:14:48 - 3:14:50) with Overseeding it. [Speaker 4] (3:14:51 - 3:14:52) Irrigating. [Speaker 4] (3:14:52 - 3:14:52) Okay. [Speaker 9] (3:14:52 - 3:14:53) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:14:53 - 3:14:53) Just [Speaker 8] (3:14:53 - 3:14:53) For fertilizing. [Speaker 4] (3:14:53 - 3:14:54) just overall maintenance, [Speaker 7] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54) okay. [Speaker 8] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:14:54 - 3:14:55) Organic fertilizer. [Speaker 4] (3:14:55 - 3:14:56) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:14:56 - 3:14:56) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:14:56 - 3:14:56) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:14:56 - 3:14:56) Wow. [Speaker 9] (3:14:56 - 3:14:58) And this is year five of doing it. [Speaker 7] (3:14:58 - 3:15:00) Yeah. Every year and we spend every bit. [Speaker 7] (3:15:01 - 3:15:07) I actually play catch-up. He's already started and he's gonna hold, help me out and wait till July first to [Speaker 4] (3:15:07 - 3:15:07) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:15:07 - 3:15:08) uh do the next process. [Speaker 8] (3:15:08 - 3:15:08) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:15:08 - 3:15:08) Yep. [Speaker 2] (3:15:08 - 3:15:08) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:15:08 - 3:15:10) No, we would never do that. [Speaker 7] (3:15:10 - 3:15:10) Oh I [Speaker 8] (3:15:10 - 3:15:10) No, [Speaker 7] (3:15:10 - 3:15:11) s I [Speaker 8] (3:15:11 - 3:15:11) that [Speaker 7] (3:15:11 - 3:15:11) stopped [Speaker 8] (3:15:11 - 3:15:11) is not [Speaker 7] (3:15:11 - 3:15:14) what true. I said. I said he's gonna wait till July first [Speaker 8] (3:15:14 - 3:15:14) No, not [Speaker 7] (3:15:14 - 3:15:14) to come in. [Speaker 8] (3:15:14 - 3:15:15) okay, moving [Speaker 4] (3:15:15 - 3:15:15) True. [Speaker 8] (3:15:15 - 3:15:15) on. [Speaker 2] (3:15:15 - 3:15:16) A questionable thing. [Speaker 8] (3:15:16 - 3:15:17) Debris removal, thirty [Speaker 2] (3:15:17 - 3:15:17) Sorry. [Speaker 8] (3:15:17 - 3:15:24) two thousand five hundred dollars. I assume that's like public dumping and then we have to pay for the things to be removed. [Speaker 1] (3:15:24 - 3:15:24) Yes. [Speaker 7] (3:15:25 - 3:15:25) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:15:25 - 3:15:26) Five year average we spend it. [Speaker 2] (3:15:27 - 3:15:27) S [Speaker 8] (3:15:27 - 3:15:28) Every year. [Speaker 2] (3:15:28 - 3:15:29) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:15:29 - 3:15:29) The brief removal [Speaker 2] (3:15:29 - 3:15:29) The brief [Speaker 7] (3:15:29 - 3:15:30) rate is [Speaker 2] (3:15:30 - 3:15:30) removal. [Speaker 2] (3:15:30 - 3:15:30) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:15:30 - 3:15:32) when we rake the beaches it's the seaweed [Speaker 1] (3:15:32 - 3:15:32) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (3:15:32 - 3:15:35) and what streets weeping do we still [Speaker 2] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35) Oh, [Speaker 7] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35) stockpile? [Speaker 2] (3:15:35 - 3:15:36) it's not just not public dumping. [Speaker 7] (3:15:36 - 3:15:36) No. [Speaker 8] (3:15:37 - 3:15:37) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:15:37 - 3:15:37) Yep. [Speaker 8] (3:15:38 - 3:15:38) Great. [Speaker 8] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:15:41 - 3:15:41) Yep, great. [Speaker 9] (3:15:43 - 3:15:46) Electrical repairs went up from five to ten thousand dollars. [Speaker 7] (3:15:50 - 3:15:51) Yeah, go back to five. [Speaker 8] (3:15:53 - 3:15:54) Sheenel. [Speaker 9] (3:15:54 - 3:15:55) Hooray. [Speaker 8] (3:15:55 - 3:15:56) I mean [Speaker 2] (3:15:56 - 3:16:00) Is there, but is there any base Why did that go from five to ten, and we could just [Speaker 1] (3:16:00 - 3:16:00) Yeah, why, [Speaker 2] (3:16:00 - 3:16:00) drop it [Speaker 1] (3:16:00 - 3:16:00) I will [Speaker 2] (3:16:00 - 3:16:01) down to five? [Speaker 1] (3:16:01 - 3:16:04) I will say that you increased this and decreased your street lighting. [Speaker 4] (3:16:06 - 3:16:07) Street lighting is down by twenty one [Speaker 8] (3:16:07 - 3:16:08) He's [Speaker 4] (3:16:08 - 3:16:08) thousand. [Speaker 8] (3:16:08 - 3:16:08) just trying to get us [Speaker 7] (3:16:08 - 3:16:09) But that street lighting is [Speaker 8] (3:16:09 - 3:16:10) building commission. [Speaker 7] (3:16:10 - 3:16:14) contractual. That we have a contract with Hughes Electric. [Speaker 7] (3:16:14 - 3:16:15) They hit, it's a contract. [Speaker 7] (3:16:16 - 3:16:17) So I don't want to touch [Speaker 8] (3:16:17 - 3:16:17) So [Speaker 7] (3:16:17 - 3:16:17) it yet. [Speaker 8] (3:16:17 - 3:16:19) he doesn't have any wiggle room anymore [Speaker 7] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19) Yeah, in not in that one. [Speaker 8] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19) that one. [Speaker 9] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:16:19 - 3:16:20) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (3:16:20 - 3:16:21) Since he's decreased it already. [Speaker 7] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21) Right. [Speaker 9] (3:16:21 - 3:16:22) Yeah, no, get that. [Speaker 9] (3:16:22 - 3:16:23) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:16:23 - 3:16:27) Alright, so let's bring it down to five. That's another five thousand. [Speaker 2] (3:16:27 - 3:16:28) Electric? [Speaker 8] (3:16:28 - 3:16:29) Electric, yeah. [Speaker 8] (3:16:30 - 3:16:31) So [Speaker 2] (3:16:39 - 3:16:40) Um what is the street lighting? [Speaker 8] (3:16:40 - 3:16:41) Hmm? [Speaker 2] (3:16:41 - 3:16:42) What is street lighting? [Speaker 7] (3:16:42 - 3:16:43) The street lights in town. [Speaker 2] (3:16:43 - 3:16:44) Right, but it's the [Speaker 2] (3:16:45 - 3:16:47) Is it to repair the street light? I mean, like it's [Speaker 7] (3:16:47 - 3:16:49) Yeah, it's contract yep for that to come in. [Speaker 2] (3:16:49 - 3:16:50) It's contractual? [Speaker 7] (3:16:50 - 3:16:50) Exactly. [Speaker 2] (3:16:50 - 3:16:50) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:16:50 - 3:16:51) Okay. [Speaker 8] (3:16:51 - 3:16:51) Okay. [Speaker 8] (3:16:53 - 3:16:57) Just to say we're at four hundred and fourteen thousand four fifty right now. [Speaker 4] (3:16:58 - 3:16:59) Of just expense reduction? [Speaker 8] (3:17:00 - 3:17:02) Of just four [Speaker 4] (3:17:03 - 3:17:04) Or is that the net of everything including [Speaker 8] (3:17:04 - 3:17:08) That's net including the three thou thirty thousand we increased. [Speaker 4] (3:17:09 - 3:17:10) Wait, what's your number? [Speaker 2] (3:17:10 - 3:17:10) What are you at? [Speaker 8] (3:17:10 - 3:17:12) Fourteen thousand four fifty. [Speaker 8] (3:17:14 - 3:17:16) We were at ten thousand nine fifty. [Speaker 4] (3:17:17 - 3:17:18) Ten thousand, what? [Speaker 8] (3:17:18 - 3:17:18) I'm sorry. [Speaker 4] (3:17:18 - 3:17:19) Hundred and ten thousand. [Speaker 2] (3:17:19 - 3:17:20) A hundred thousand [Speaker 4] (3:17:20 - 3:17:20) Okay, right, [Speaker 8] (3:17:20 - 3:17:23) nine fifty. It's the hour and my dyslexia. [Speaker 4] (3:17:23 - 3:17:24) Fourteen [Speaker 8] (3:17:24 - 3:17:24) Um, [Speaker 4] (3:17:24 - 3:17:25) five. [Speaker 8] (3:17:25 - 3:17:35) okay, so we're at we right after the increase to the planner, we were at one hundred thousand nine fifty. With the increase with the decreases post planner, [Speaker 8] (3:17:35 - 3:17:41) it has brought us to a hundred and fourteen thousand four fifty. [Speaker 1] (3:17:42 - 3:17:42) I [Speaker 7] (3:17:42 - 3:17:42) Oh [Speaker 1] (3:17:42 - 3:17:44) have I have one ten two hundred. [Speaker 8] (3:17:44 - 3:17:45) One ten [Speaker 7] (3:17:45 - 3:17:45) Okay. [Speaker 8] (3:17:45 - 3:17:46) two hundred. Alright well we'll reconcile [Speaker 1] (3:17:46 - 3:17:46) Okay. [Speaker 8] (3:17:46 - 3:17:48) after that becau well it was [Speaker 8] (3:17:53 - 3:17:58) Don't worry we've got a tape we can re-watch it if we have to. Alright what else? [Speaker 4] (3:17:59 - 3:18:08) Uh I'm down and I'm skipping snow and ice. We've exhausted that, right? Yeah. Uh now down in public safety, police. [Speaker 4] (3:18:09 - 3:18:10) Um [Speaker 4] (3:18:12 - 3:18:23) Let's see. Um so oh this this is all part of my hundred dollar a month plan contribution from lots of segments. [Speaker 8] (3:18:24 - 3:18:24) Okay, let's [Speaker 2] (3:18:23 - 3:18:25) Okay, let's skip [Speaker 1] (3:18:25 - 3:18:25) skip that [Speaker 2] (3:18:25 - 3:18:26) that. Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:18:32 - 3:18:33) Educational oh yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:18:33 - 3:18:34) Yeah, go ahead. [Speaker 2] (3:18:34 - 3:18:37) I was just going to say things that are not CBA related are [Speaker 1] (3:18:37 - 3:18:37) Well [Speaker 2] (3:18:37 - 3:18:37) the only [Speaker 1] (3:18:37 - 3:18:37) that's [Speaker 2] (3:18:37 - 3:18:38) things [Speaker 1] (3:18:38 - 3:18:38) what I [Speaker 2] (3:18:38 - 3:18:38) I [Speaker 1] (3:18:38 - 3:18:38) was gonna ask. [Speaker 2] (3:18:38 - 3:18:38) want to hear, [Speaker 1] (3:18:38 - 3:18:38) Educational [Speaker 2] (3:18:38 - 3:18:39) right? So [Speaker 1] (3:18:39 - 3:18:41) incentives goes down by 12,000. [Speaker 1] (3:18:42 - 3:18:43) So just me. [Speaker 4] (3:18:43 - 3:18:46) this is the Quinn and non-Quinn. [Speaker 4] (3:18:47 - 3:18:50) compensation that is collectively bargained for the police officers. [Speaker 1] (3:18:51 - 3:18:52) It goes down? [Speaker 4] (3:18:53 - 3:19:05) Yep. So it's based off the census. So if you have um retirees and departures of your higher educated or full quin and you have newer hires on baby quin. [Speaker 2] (3:19:06 - 3:19:13) Um I was looking at equipment maintenance twenty two thousand five hundred, 'cause I would assume that's [Speaker 2] (3:19:13 - 3:19:14) Please cars, [Speaker 5] (3:19:14 - 3:19:15) Cruisers, yep. [Speaker 2] (3:19:15 - 3:19:17) cruisers things like that. [Speaker 4] (3:19:17 - 3:19:17) Yes. [Speaker 2] (3:19:18 - 3:19:20) And I assume we deplete it every year. [Speaker 2] (3:19:20 - 3:19:24) Yes. Okay. And I assume there's a backlog of maintenance that needs to be done every year. [Speaker 4] (3:19:24 - 3:19:37) Yeah, so we have a recall on the electric hybrid vehicle, so we've had to do a little more maintenance on the older vehicles to keep the fleet rotating. [Speaker 2] (3:19:39 - 3:19:39) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:19:40 - 3:19:50) In the fuel it was 31 and change last year and it only went up a couple, forty five dollars, but that's depleted every year. [Speaker 2] (3:19:53 - 3:19:54) Okay. Doug? [Speaker 1] (3:19:54 - 3:20:03) Yeah, y uh I'm gonna go backward just for a sorry. second. Um over time under police it's going up by twenty thousand dollars. [Speaker 2] (3:20:04 - 3:20:04) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (3:20:08 - 3:20:17) It's based off their um their regular leaves and the average overtime cost per uh grade and shift and [Speaker 4] (3:20:20 - 3:20:23) um all the field training that they have to do when we bring on new hires. [Speaker 6] (3:20:23 - 3:20:25) Which are contractually obligated. [Speaker 2] (3:20:29 - 3:20:36) I know we say this every time we talk about public safety and overtime, but like making sure that we're having education about overtime and that [Speaker 2] (3:20:37 - 3:20:48) We're keeping a thumb on that budget and understanding it not just as it relates to what we are contractually obligated to do from an overtime perspective but as it's being spent by our chiefs. [Speaker 1] (3:20:49 - 3:20:49) Yes. [Speaker 6] (3:20:50 - 3:20:52) Which is not happening right because we're [Speaker 2] (3:20:52 - 3:20:52) Well [Speaker 6] (3:20:52 - 3:20:53) not happening. [Speaker 2] (3:20:53 - 3:20:56) it's happening more now than ever before. [Speaker 6] (3:20:57 - 3:20:57) Yeah [Speaker 2] (3:20:58 - 3:21:02) There's likely still room for improvement but we should be going in that direction. [Speaker 1] (3:21:04 - 3:21:10) So all of this stuff is like totally scrubbed and without going each individual line, like [Speaker 1] (3:21:12 - 3:21:15) every single one of these things is [Speaker 2] (3:21:15 - 3:21:16) I mean we talked about [Speaker 1] (3:21:16 - 3:21:16) the just [Speaker 2] (3:21:16 - 3:21:18) ShotStag. So if there's something you wanna just call out, like [Speaker 1] (3:21:18 - 3:21:19) No, [Speaker 2] (3:21:19 - 3:21:19) for [Speaker 1] (3:21:19 - 3:21:21) I example don't. I mean I just, I don't I don't wanna go line by line [Speaker 2] (3:21:21 - 3:21:21) up, [Speaker 1] (3:21:21 - 3:21:21) with [Speaker 2] (3:21:21 - 3:21:26) I'll say ammunition went up from thirty thirteen thousand nine fifty to seventeen thousand dollars. [Speaker 4] (3:21:26 - 3:21:27) Cost of metals has gone [Speaker 6] (3:21:27 - 3:21:27) Cost [Speaker 4] (3:21:27 - 3:21:27) up. [Speaker 6] (3:21:27 - 3:21:28) of medals has Okay. gone up. [Speaker 2] (3:21:28 - 3:21:28) So [Speaker 6] (3:21:29 - 3:21:31) Immunization is up across the board. [Speaker 2] (3:21:35 - 3:21:38) And we don't have a reserve of ammunition, we use it every Yeah. year. It's [Speaker 4] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38) Yeah, [Speaker 2] (3:21:38 - 3:21:40) mostly it's for like training, [Speaker 4] (3:21:40 - 3:21:40) it's mostly for training, [Speaker 2] (3:21:40 - 3:21:42) field testing and all that kind of stuff. [Speaker 4] (3:21:42 - 3:21:44) Yeah, they're required to have a certain number of [Speaker 6] (3:21:44 - 3:21:44) So... [Speaker 4] (3:21:44 - 3:21:45) uh training [Speaker 2] (3:21:45 - 3:21:45) Hours [Speaker 4] (3:21:45 - 3:21:45) hours. [Speaker 2] (3:21:45 - 3:21:46) firing weapons. [Speaker 1] (3:21:47 - 3:21:47) So [Speaker 4] (3:21:47 - 3:21:47) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:21:47 - 3:21:51) so one of the questions that I do have uh is on uh matrons in [Speaker 4] (3:21:51 - 3:21:52) Yes. [Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:54) the police. So now that we have female [Speaker 1] (3:21:55 - 3:21:56) Officers? [Speaker 4] (3:21:56 - 3:21:56) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:21:56 - 3:21:58) Do we is is is [Speaker 4] (3:21:58 - 3:21:58) On [Speaker 1] (3:21:58 - 3:22:00) the matron and is the matron redundant? [Speaker 4] (3:22:00 - 3:22:09) On the shifts where we have a female officer on shift, we do not need to call in a matron. On a shift where you do not have a female officer available, you do still need to call in a matron. [Speaker 2] (3:22:10 - 3:22:18) So then could we not cut this I so before we had no well we had one, [Speaker 2] (3:22:18 - 3:22:21) Mm-hmm. right? So it was less frequent that we would have that one available. [Speaker 6] (3:22:24 - 3:22:25) And now we go forward. [Speaker 2] (3:22:25 - 3:22:27) Are we not not not something [Speaker 4] (3:22:27 - 3:22:27) to paraphrase [Speaker 2] (3:22:27 - 3:22:28) really specific? [Speaker 4] (3:22:28 - 3:22:28) now. [Speaker 2] (3:22:28 - 3:22:36) Now that we have more than one, are we not able to create the schedule where they're we're not able to do that because of rank and things like that? [Speaker 4] (3:22:36 - 3:22:38) And shift betting and yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:22:38 - 3:22:39) Shift oh shift betting okay. [Speaker 2] (3:22:41 - 3:22:46) But should this number not decrease based on the amount of folks that we have now able to do that job? [Speaker 4] (3:22:46 - 3:22:48) In Danielle's words, it would be a gamble. [Speaker 4] (3:22:49 - 3:22:49) Because [Speaker 6] (3:22:49 - 3:22:49) It's looking, [Speaker 4] (3:22:49 - 3:22:50) um [Speaker 6] (3:22:50 - 3:22:51) you know. but [Speaker 4] (3:22:51 - 3:23:03) you would have to assume that when there is a female off a female brought into the station that you will have female officers there whereas they could be brought in only on the time for you don't. [Speaker 2] (3:23:04 - 3:23:11) Do we did we utilize this line item to its fullest every year and prior in the last five years so I can understand how We that [Speaker 4] (3:23:11 - 3:23:13) we have in the recent three, yes. [Speaker 2] (3:23:13 - 3:23:13) what in [Speaker 4] (3:23:13 - 3:23:14) We have in the recent three. [Speaker 2] (3:23:14 - 3:23:16) the recent three years we've depleted it. [Speaker 6] (3:23:17 - 3:23:17) With [Speaker 4] (3:23:17 - 3:23:17) But [Speaker 6] (3:23:17 - 3:23:18) less female staff, [Speaker 4] (3:23:18 - 3:23:20) the prior two because of COVID, they [Speaker 2] (3:23:20 - 3:23:20) yep. [Speaker 4] (3:23:20 - 3:23:23) there were stricter rules about having people [Speaker 2] (3:23:23 - 3:23:23) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:23:23 - 3:23:24) in the station. [Speaker 2] (3:23:24 - 3:23:25) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:23:25 - 3:23:26) that was with less female staff. [Speaker 2] (3:23:26 - 3:23:27) Yes. [Speaker 6] (3:23:27 - 3:23:27) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:23:27 - 3:23:27) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:23:27 - 3:23:32) So the question is, would the board like to suggest a reduction, [Speaker 2] (3:23:32 - 3:23:34) or are we willing to keep it? [Speaker 6] (3:23:34 - 3:23:35) I think it comes down to staffing. [Speaker 6] (3:23:36 - 3:23:44) I think it comes down to how I'm not familiar with how the police bid shifts or how many, you know, females are on any given time or. [Speaker 6] (3:23:45 - 3:23:49) You know, but I think that's a valid question for the police department. Why can't we ask that? [Speaker 6] (3:23:50 - 3:23:52) Right. I mean, how much how much is it? What's the line item? [Speaker 1] (3:23:52 - 3:23:54) Sixty five hundred. I mean this [Speaker 2] (3:23:54 - 3:23:54) Oh and [Speaker 1] (3:23:54 - 3:23:56) is we're talking about a four million dollar department. I mean this is [Speaker 6] (3:23:57 - 3:23:57) Right. [Speaker 7] (3:23:57 - 3:23:59) I d I just that was just one thing that [Speaker 6] (3:23:59 - 3:24:11) But it it makes sense if when you have that many and we're touting the number of female staff that we've hired, right, and that is a big plus for us, like it that go that goes hand in hand, right? [Speaker 6] (3:24:12 - 3:24:13) Well, it might not. [Speaker 2] (3:24:13 - 3:24:13) So [Speaker 6] (3:24:13 - 3:24:13) It might [Speaker 2] (3:24:13 - 3:24:13) maybe [Speaker 6] (3:24:13 - 3:24:13) not. [Speaker 2] (3:24:13 - 3:24:14) considering the Senate [Speaker 6] (3:24:14 - 3:24:14) It's [Speaker 2] (3:24:14 - 3:24:14) 's history [Speaker 6] (3:24:14 - 3:24:14) worth asking [Speaker 2] (3:24:14 - 3:24:15) of the [Speaker 6] (3:24:15 - 3:24:15) the question. [Speaker 2] (3:24:15 - 3:24:25) of the CBA it's worth Amy you could circle up or you know you could circle up with the chief se say that we brought up a recommendation to reduce this line item. [Speaker 2] (3:24:27 - 3:24:33) Is there any room for reduction there even by five hundred dollars considering all the other places we looked. We [Speaker 2] (3:24:34 - 3:24:38) To be fair, we didn't give any of the other department heads a say to say whether or not what we were doing was [Speaker 6] (3:24:38 - 3:24:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:24:39 - 3:24:39) something that we could [Speaker 6] (3:24:39 - 3:24:39) Oh, [Speaker 2] (3:24:39 - 3:24:40) do, [Speaker 6] (3:24:40 - 3:24:40) seriously? [Speaker 2] (3:24:40 - 3:24:44) but it's a little bit more convoluted on the police side, so I understand that. [Speaker 8] (3:24:45 - 3:24:46) Okay. I'm gonna talk to him tomorrow. [Speaker 2] (3:24:46 - 3:24:52) Okay. So we will take nothing from there now and see what's said. [Speaker 7] (3:24:52 - 3:24:53) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:24:54 - 3:24:57) Anything else in public safety? [Speaker 1] (3:24:58 - 3:24:59) No, not for me. [Speaker 2] (3:24:59 - 3:25:01) Okay, what's next on [Speaker 1] (3:25:01 - 3:25:05) The harbormaster equipment maintenance goes from $5,000 to $6,500. [Speaker 4] (3:25:06 - 3:25:10) The boat hasn't been maintained. It has to have a sealant on the bottom of it. [Speaker 1] (3:25:12 - 3:25:12) So [Speaker 4] (3:25:12 - 3:25:12) Isn't [Speaker 1] (3:25:12 - 3:25:12) I think [Speaker 4] (3:25:12 - 3:25:12) that $1,500. [Speaker 1] (3:25:12 - 3:25:13) at $500. [Speaker 7] (3:25:13 - 3:25:14) Right. [Speaker 8] (3:25:14 - 3:25:14) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:25:14 - 3:25:14) Let's see. [Speaker 2] (3:25:14 - 3:25:15) That's $1,500. [Speaker 1] (3:25:16 - 3:25:16) Okay, [Speaker 1] (3:25:17 - 3:25:17) fine. [Speaker 1] (3:25:17 - 3:25:17) Easy. [Speaker 1] (3:25:24 - 3:25:25) And I'm [Speaker 1] (3:25:24 - 3:25:27) I am down to over [Speaker 2] (3:25:27 - 3:25:28) Well there [Speaker 1] (3:25:28 - 3:25:28) time. [Speaker 2] (3:25:28 - 3:25:36) is equip okay so there's equipment maintenance that went up fifteen hundred dollars oh sorry we just talked about that [Speaker 1] (3:25:36 - 3:25:36) Yep. [Speaker 2] (3:25:36 - 3:25:38) it's the hour okay go ahead fire [Speaker 1] (3:25:38 - 3:25:45) Yeah, I'm down to fire. Overtime is up by I just it just boggles my mind. [Speaker 1] (3:25:46 - 3:25:51) We know out of the shoot that we're going up sixty six thousand dollars in overtime. [Speaker 6] (3:25:53 - 3:25:54) How do we come to that number? [Speaker 6] (3:25:55 - 3:25:56) On page is it? Where [Speaker 7] (3:25:56 - 3:25:56) Oh. [Speaker 6] (3:25:56 - 3:26:01) do you It's less than sixty five, it's not seventy, it's sixty six like where where does that come from? [Speaker 1] (3:26:01 - 3:26:02) It's [Speaker 4] (3:26:02 - 3:26:02) Oh it [Speaker 1] (3:26:02 - 3:26:02) sixty [Speaker 4] (3:26:02 - 3:26:02) is [Speaker 1] (3:26:02 - 3:26:04) six one hundred and seventy three [Speaker 4] (3:26:04 - 3:26:04) That's [Speaker 1] (3:26:04 - 3:26:04) cents actually. [Speaker 4] (3:26:04 - 3:26:05) an incredibly [Speaker 6] (3:26:05 - 3:26:05) Impressive, [Speaker 4] (3:26:05 - 3:26:06) impressive spreadsheet. Um [Speaker 8] (3:26:06 - 3:26:07) you should see that spreadsheet. [Speaker 4] (3:26:08 - 3:26:10) I get so excited about my spreadsheets. [Speaker 6] (3:26:10 - 3:26:11) Take the tables and all, I'm afraid. [Speaker 4] (3:26:11 - 3:26:19) Yeah, so it takes the entire F_L_S_A_ spreadsheet, it takes the average overtime by rank of each person, it takes the allowable [Speaker 6] (3:26:19 - 3:26:19) Right. [Speaker 4] (3:26:19 - 3:26:29) um find any of them coming up. It it allows for the overtime for the ten weeks of um academy that any of them have to go to and it [Speaker 6] (3:26:29 - 3:26:30) Right. [Speaker 4] (3:26:30 - 3:26:31) flushes the whole thing down. [Speaker 6] (3:26:31 - 3:26:33) Right, but how close to accurate is it? [Speaker 6] (3:26:34 - 3:26:35) Over the past five years. [Speaker 8] (3:26:37 - 3:26:37) I [Speaker 4] (3:26:37 - 3:26:37) Yes. [Speaker 8] (3:26:37 - 3:26:38) Are they correct? [Speaker 2] (3:26:38 - 3:26:40) We've overspent over the last five years, haven't we? [Speaker 4] (3:26:40 - 3:26:43) The o the overspents have been from the long-term sick outs. [Speaker 4] (3:26:45 - 3:26:45) So [Speaker 2] (3:26:45 - 3:26:45) If [Speaker 4] (3:26:45 - 3:26:45) for, [Speaker 2] (3:26:45 - 3:26:47) you pulled those out is that an accurate [Speaker 4] (3:26:47 - 3:26:47) yes. [Speaker 2] (3:26:47 - 3:26:48) number? [Speaker 1] (3:26:52 - 3:26:55) Well, I think it's best case, right, [Speaker 1] (3:26:55 - 3:26:57) because it assumes no like [Speaker 4] (3:26:57 - 3:26:58) We don't have to backfill [Speaker 6] (3:26:58 - 3:26:58) It assumes [Speaker 4] (3:26:58 - 3:26:59) every [Speaker 6] (3:26:59 - 3:26:59) none [Speaker 4] (3:26:59 - 3:26:59) shift [Speaker 6] (3:26:59 - 3:26:59) of that. [Speaker 4] (3:26:59 - 3:27:01) year round, so that's where the buffer comes from. [Speaker 2] (3:27:02 - 3:27:04) Right. Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:27:04 - 3:27:09) So that kind of proves this whole exercise is a gamble. It's a best guess, [Speaker 6] (3:27:09 - 3:27:09) right? [Speaker 2] (3:27:09 - 3:27:09) Right. [Speaker 6] (3:27:09 - 3:27:10) This is what we're doing. So [Speaker 2] (3:27:10 - 3:27:11) Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:27:13 - 3:27:14) Holiday pay is [Speaker 2] (3:27:15 - 3:27:15) Contractual. [Speaker 6] (3:27:15 - 3:27:16) Factual. [Speaker 1] (3:27:17 - 3:27:21) but it's jumping by thirty four thousand dollars. We still have the same fire department, but somehow it's jumping thirty [Speaker 6] (3:27:21 - 3:27:21) And [Speaker 1] (3:27:21 - 3:27:21) four [Speaker 6] (3:27:21 - 3:27:22) the same [Speaker 1] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22) And hundred [Speaker 9] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22) year [Speaker 6] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22) number [Speaker 9] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22) they get [Speaker 6] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22) of holidays. [Speaker 1] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22) what [Speaker 9] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22) what [Speaker 2] (3:27:23 - 3:27:24) Every [Speaker 1] (3:27:24 - 3:27:24) what? [Speaker 2] (3:27:24 - 3:27:24) year they get [Speaker 6] (3:27:24 - 3:27:24) The [Speaker 2] (3:27:24 - 3:27:24) more [Speaker 6] (3:27:24 - 3:27:25) same number of holidays. [Speaker 1] (3:27:25 - 3:27:25) yes. [Speaker 6] (3:27:25 - 3:27:26) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:27:26 - 3:27:26) No, but it's [Speaker 9] (3:27:27 - 3:27:37) Like if you look at the spreadsheet, it's like you s they have a base salary and then everything gets added up. And like it's based on the so the end up the [Speaker 2] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37) As [Speaker 9] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37) overtime [Speaker 2] (3:27:37 - 3:27:38) base salary [Speaker 9] (3:27:38 - 3:27:38) salary [Speaker 2] (3:27:38 - 3:27:38) increases [Speaker 9] (3:27:38 - 3:27:40) the overtime salary is like double what the [Speaker 9] (3:27:41 - 3:27:45) with the regular salaries, just because of all the incentives that get it get added in [Speaker 1] (3:27:45 - 3:27:45) I [Speaker 9] (3:27:45 - 3:27:45) for [Speaker 1] (3:27:45 - 3:27:45) can't, but [Speaker 9] (3:27:45 - 3:27:46) the player. And then [Speaker 1] (3:27:46 - 3:27:46) But there [Speaker 9] (3:27:46 - 3:27:47) every year [Speaker 1] (3:27:47 - 3:27:47) there's [Speaker 9] (3:27:47 - 3:27:47) the going rate [Speaker 1] (3:27:47 - 3:27:50) a certain number of holidays and a certain number of people on the f on the [Speaker 6] (3:27:50 - 3:27:50) Every [Speaker 1] (3:27:50 - 3:27:50) right [Speaker 6] (3:27:50 - 3:27:50) year. [Speaker 1] (3:27:50 - 3:27:51) but their rate department. [Speaker 9] (3:27:51 - 3:27:53) their rate increases every year [Speaker 6] (3:27:53 - 3:27:53) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 9] (3:27:53 - 3:27:57) because of steps and other educational incentives, so then they get more pay in the holiday. [Speaker 1] (3:27:58 - 3:28:02) So twenty five almost twenty five percent increase. [Speaker 1] (3:28:02 - 3:28:02) That [Speaker 9] (3:28:02 - 3:28:03) You sh the contract's [Speaker 1] (3:28:03 - 3:28:04) you can take the crazy. same holidays. [Speaker 6] (3:28:07 - 3:28:10) And again, we're spending that every uh the five year average of that is [Speaker 4] (3:28:10 - 3:28:11) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:28:11 - 3:28:11) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:28:13 - 3:28:16) It's higher than the five year average when uh Juneteenth was added at all, [Speaker 6] (3:28:16 - 3:28:16) Right. [Speaker 4] (3:28:16 - 3:28:17) but yeah. [Speaker 9] (3:28:17 - 3:28:19) And then the other thing is we have a lot of new [Speaker 4] (3:28:21 - 3:28:24) so they're getting a lot of the bumps. [Speaker 2] (3:28:25 - 3:28:27) But you would assume they kept it at a lower step, [Speaker 4] (3:28:27 - 3:28:28) They can't be a s [Speaker 2] (3:28:28 - 3:28:28) right? [Speaker 1] (3:28:28 - 3:28:29) They came lower and then now [Speaker 2] (3:28:29 - 3:28:29) But [Speaker 1] (3:28:29 - 3:28:30) they're [Speaker 2] (3:28:30 - 3:28:30) getting now their [Speaker 1] (3:28:30 - 3:28:30) their a jumps raise. [Speaker 2] (3:28:30 - 3:28:31) are, they're jumps are higher. [Speaker 5] (3:28:31 - 3:28:32) raising up, yeah. [Speaker 5] (3:28:33 - 3:28:33) Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:28:35 - 3:28:36) Okay, next. [Speaker 6] (3:28:36 - 3:28:39) All right. I'm down to expenses building under the fire department, [Speaker 6] (3:28:40 - 3:28:42) $5,000 to $6,500. [Speaker 1] (3:28:42 - 3:28:43) Expenses building. [Speaker 1] (3:28:43 - 3:28:44) Okay, yep. [Speaker 1] (3:28:45 - 3:28:46) What's [Speaker 6] (3:28:46 - 3:28:50) Then the next one after that equipment maintenance $50,000 going to $52,500. [Speaker 1] (3:28:50 - 3:28:58) Yep, so building maintenance this year is already at $17,000. [Speaker 1] (3:29:03 - 3:29:04) What was the next [Speaker 6] (3:29:04 - 3:29:04) Oh, [Speaker 1] (3:29:04 - 3:29:04) thing? [Speaker 6] (3:29:04 - 3:29:07) no, the one first was expenses dash building. [Speaker 1] (3:29:07 - 3:29:10) Yeah, it's already at seventeen thousand spent this year. [Speaker 5] (3:29:11 - 3:29:13) So we already have a was [Speaker 1] (3:29:14 - 3:29:18) They've already had to take it from a different line in their expenses to cover. [Speaker 5] (3:29:18 - 3:29:21) Was that for an unforeseen circumstance in the building? [Speaker 5] (3:29:22 - 3:29:25) Like, did we have a leak or something or is that just normal expenses? [Speaker 1] (3:29:26 - 3:29:28) Uh garage door repairs. [Speaker 1] (3:29:30 - 3:29:32) was the largest one in there. [Speaker 5] (3:29:32 - 3:29:36) So looking outside of this year, but prior years [Speaker 2] (3:29:36 - 3:29:38) Did somebody back into the garage door? [Speaker 1] (3:29:38 - 3:29:40) Uh, sixty one thousand. [Speaker 5] (3:29:40 - 3:29:41) Sixty one thousand. [Speaker 6] (3:29:42 - 3:29:46) Right. So is all that a Amy on the equipment maintenance line [Speaker 1] (3:29:46 - 3:29:47) No, [Speaker 6] (3:29:47 - 3:29:47) or [Speaker 1] (3:29:47 - 3:29:47) I'm just on [Speaker 5] (3:29:47 - 3:29:47) No, [Speaker 1] (3:29:47 - 3:29:48) the expenses [Speaker 5] (3:29:48 - 3:29:48) it's expenses [Speaker 1] (3:29:48 - 3:29:48) dash building. [Speaker 5] (3:29:48 - 3:29:49) building. [Speaker 6] (3:29:49 - 3:29:51) The average is sixty one thousand? [Speaker 6] (3:29:52 - 3:29:54) And we're budgeting sixty five hundred? [Speaker 1] (3:29:56 - 3:29:58) $6,100 is the average [Speaker 2] (3:29:58 - 3:29:58) It's one hundred. [Speaker 1] (3:29:58 - 3:29:59) and we're budgeting [Speaker 5] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59) It's 100, [Speaker 1] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59) $6,000 [Speaker 5] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59) not six. [Speaker 1] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59) a [Speaker 2] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59) One [Speaker 1] (3:29:59 - 3:30:00) is it? [Speaker 2] (3:30:00 - 3:30:00) thousand. [Speaker 6] (3:30:00 - 3:30:01) hundred. Sorry sorry okay. [Speaker 6] (3:30:01 - 3:30:02) It's the average. [Speaker 5] (3:30:02 - 3:30:02) Ten o'clock. [Speaker 6] (3:30:02 - 3:30:03) Okay. Alright. [Speaker 6] (3:30:05 - 3:30:05) Okay. [Speaker 5] (3:30:05 - 3:30:06) So [Speaker 6] (3:30:07 - 3:30:12) And then the next one equipment maintenance. We've been using fifty fifty two thousand. [Speaker 5] (3:30:12 - 3:30:14) Fifty thousand, they went up to fifty two five. [Speaker 1] (3:30:28 - 3:30:30) So this is due to um [Speaker 1] (3:30:32 - 3:30:33) the age of our ladder truck is [Speaker 2] (3:30:33 - 3:30:33) Hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:30:33 - 3:30:36) costing more to get the repairs done to it. [Speaker 6] (3:30:39 - 3:30:40) We're getting a new one, right? [Speaker 7] (3:30:40 - 3:30:41) Are we getting a new one? [Speaker 5] (3:30:41 - 3:30:42) Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:30:42 - 3:30:45) So it's two years from when the We capital [Speaker 7] (3:30:45 - 3:30:45) ordered it. [Speaker 1] (3:30:45 - 3:30:46) gets approved [Speaker 7] (3:30:46 - 3:30:46) It's on [Speaker 1] (3:30:46 - 3:30:46) and [Speaker 7] (3:30:46 - 3:30:46) order. [Speaker 1] (3:30:46 - 3:30:47) when it actually arrives. Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:30:47 - 3:30:47) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:30:49 - 3:30:53) So it'd be a gamble if we gave them fifty thousand instead of fifty two five hundred, right? [Speaker 1] (3:30:53 - 3:30:53) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:30:54 - 3:30:56) That would be out of ladder truck. [Speaker 1] (3:30:57 - 3:30:57) If [Speaker 7] (3:30:57 - 3:30:58) If we depleted it. [Speaker 1] (3:30:58 - 3:30:59) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:31:00 - 3:31:03) I don't think we should deplete it, I wouldn't [Speaker 6] (3:31:03 - 3:31:03) Nope. [Speaker 2] (3:31:03 - 3:31:03) no. [Speaker 7] (3:31:04 - 3:31:06) You don't want to reduce it by twenty five hundred [Speaker 2] (3:31:06 - 3:31:07) s By twenty five hundred, I don't I wouldn't [Speaker 7] (3:31:07 - 3:31:09) No, no, I'm not saying bring it to zero, [Speaker 2] (3:31:09 - 3:31:09) oh. [Speaker 7] (3:31:09 - 3:31:11) but I'm saying keep it at what it was. [Speaker 6] (3:31:11 - 3:31:13) Yeah, we get a new one, like we don't need any repairs. [Speaker 7] (3:31:13 - 3:31:19) Keep it at what it was. I can't imagine that 365 days is going to give you twenty five hundred dollars worth of repairs. [Speaker 7] (3:31:19 - 3:31:20) If it needs a repair, [Speaker 7] (3:31:20 - 3:31:23) it will likely cost a lot more than twenty five hundred dollars. [Speaker 7] (3:31:24 - 3:31:26) They're gonna go to another line item anyways to find that money. [Speaker 2] (3:31:27 - 3:31:27) It's funny. [Speaker 6] (3:31:27 - 3:31:29) Yeah, but uh equipment maintenance is probably for a lot more than just [Speaker 7] (3:31:29 - 3:31:29) Sure. [Speaker 6] (3:31:29 - 3:31:30) the [Speaker 2] (3:31:30 - 3:31:30) More than the truck. [Speaker 6] (3:31:30 - 3:31:31) the truck, yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:31:31 - 3:31:33) But that's they're that's the reason [Speaker 6] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:31:33 - 3:31:40) the chief used to say he needed twenty five hundred more dollars, is because the ladder truck increased in age and therefore would need additional maintenance. [Speaker 2] (3:31:40 - 3:31:40) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:31:40 - 3:31:40) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:31:41 - 3:31:41) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:31:41 - 3:31:41) So al outside [Speaker 1] (3:31:41 - 3:31:43) The maintenance we need is more expensive [Speaker 7] (3:31:43 - 3:31:45) The maintenance we need is more expensive. [Speaker 1] (3:31:45 - 3:31:50) yes, because they don't make that truck anymore and it is much more difficult to run the parts for it. [Speaker 2] (3:31:50 - 3:31:50) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:31:52 - 3:31:54) So nobody has an appetite to deplete it by a thousand dollars. [Speaker 6] (3:31:54 - 3:31:55) I will. [Speaker 7] (3:31:55 - 3:31:55) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:31:55 - 3:31:56) If I was Anybody in purchasing. [Speaker 7] (3:31:56 - 3:31:57) else? A thousand bucks? [Speaker 2] (3:31:57 - 3:31:57) I would. [Speaker 7] (3:31:57 - 3:31:58) Okay, so let's [Speaker 6] (3:31:58 - 3:31:58) A thousand [Speaker 7] (3:31:58 - 3:31:58) take it down [Speaker 6] (3:31:58 - 3:31:58) bucks, [Speaker 7] (3:31:58 - 3:31:59) a thousand bucks. [Speaker 6] (3:31:59 - 3:32:01) okay. Just well he was negotiating down [Speaker 6] (3:32:01 - 3:32:02) Okay. [Speaker 8] (3:32:02 - 3:32:02) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:32:02 - 3:32:03) Let's down. That's fine. [Speaker 6] (3:32:03 - 3:32:03) That's fine. [Speaker 7] (3:32:03 - 3:32:08) I mean I take a twenty five hundred dollars down and bring it back to where they were, but I didn't think anybody had an appetite for [Speaker 6] (3:32:08 - 3:32:08) I [Speaker 7] (3:32:08 - 3:32:08) that. [Speaker 6] (3:32:08 - 3:32:08) I'd go there. [Speaker 7] (3:32:09 - 3:32:09) You [Speaker 2] (3:32:09 - 3:32:09) I [Speaker 7] (3:32:09 - 3:32:09) will go [Speaker 2] (3:32:09 - 3:32:10) was there? going to say it again. [Speaker 7] (3:32:11 - 3:32:17) Twenty five hundred dollars is the historic commission. I know Danielle. But does anybody have an appetite to bring fifty two fifty [Speaker 6] (3:32:17 - 3:32:17) A thousand. [Speaker 7] (3:32:17 - 3:32:20) a thousand, okay, so let's take a thousand, let's take a win where we get it. [Speaker 6] (3:32:21 - 3:32:21) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:32:21 - 3:32:22) All right. [Speaker 6] (3:32:22 - 3:32:27) Oh my God, this is uh protective clothing pretty hard to argue about that, [Speaker 2] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27) I [Speaker 6] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27) but [Speaker 2] (3:32:27 - 3:32:29) think that's in their contract that they have to [Speaker 6] (3:32:29 - 3:32:31) No, five thousand though, that's contract? [Speaker 1] (3:32:31 - 3:32:32) Yeah. When we hire new [Speaker 7] (3:32:32 - 3:32:32) When [Speaker 1] (3:32:32 - 3:32:32) people [Speaker 7] (3:32:32 - 3:32:32) we hire [Speaker 1] (3:32:32 - 3:32:32) we have [Speaker 7] (3:32:32 - 3:32:32) new people. [Speaker 1] (3:32:32 - 3:32:33) to give them [Speaker 2] (3:32:33 - 3:32:33) Gotta [Speaker 1] (3:32:33 - 3:32:33) a whole [Speaker 2] (3:32:33 - 3:32:33) give [Speaker 1] (3:32:33 - 3:32:33) fleet [Speaker 2] (3:32:33 - 3:32:33) them clothes, [Speaker 1] (3:32:33 - 3:32:34) of protection. [Speaker 2] (3:32:34 - 3:32:34) Doug. [Speaker 6] (3:32:34 - 3:32:39) I understand that. We hire people all the time, I don't know why it's going up five thousand. [Speaker 7] (3:32:39 - 3:32:39) Okay, [Speaker 2] (3:32:39 - 3:32:39) Oh, [Speaker 7] (3:32:39 - 3:32:42) fuel went up 18 to 20 thousand. [Speaker 2] (3:32:43 - 3:32:46) Lower gas prices. What about conference and seminars? [Speaker 7] (3:32:46 - 3:32:47) Oh, what about conference and seminars? [Speaker 2] (3:32:47 - 3:32:48) Went from zero to two thousand. [Speaker 7] (3:32:48 - 3:32:49) to two thousand. [Speaker 7] (3:32:50 - 3:32:51) Is there a special conference this [Speaker 2] (3:32:51 - 3:32:51) Do [Speaker 7] (3:32:51 - 3:32:51) year they [Speaker 2] (3:32:51 - 3:32:51) we have a have fire [Speaker 7] (3:32:51 - 3:32:52) to go [Speaker 2] (3:32:52 - 3:32:52) conference? [Speaker 7] (3:32:52 - 3:32:52) to that they don't [Speaker 2] (3:32:52 - 3:32:53) A fire [Speaker 7] (3:32:53 - 3:32:53) that they [Speaker 2] (3:32:53 - 3:32:53) seminar? [Speaker 7] (3:32:53 - 3:32:54) don't go to in years past? [Speaker 6] (3:32:56 - 3:32:58) Uh, I don't believe nickel and dime you. [Speaker 2] (3:32:58 - 3:32:58) Yes. [Speaker 7] (3:32:59 - 3:33:01) I mean I don't know any other way that [Speaker 6] (3:33:01 - 3:33:01) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:33:01 - 3:33:06) we're gonna be putting this on the back of taxpayers we're gonna nickel and dime every person we can. [Speaker 1] (3:33:06 - 3:33:16) Yes, so they um they have uh a rotating list of three firefighters who go to a con uh the annual conference. [Speaker 2] (3:33:16 - 3:33:17) Do we have to let them go to the conference? [Speaker 2] (3:33:18 - 3:33:19) Are we required [Speaker 7] (3:33:19 - 3:33:20) Well, [Speaker 2] (3:33:20 - 3:33:20) by [Speaker 7] (3:33:20 - 3:33:20) we didn't [Speaker 2] (3:33:20 - 3:33:20) law? [Speaker 7] (3:33:20 - 3:33:22) let them go last year because it was zero. [Speaker 2] (3:33:22 - 3:33:26) Okay, so then it should be zero for next year. I'm sorry. [Speaker 2] (3:33:26 - 3:33:28) If it's not necessary, [Speaker 2] (3:33:28 - 3:33:30) like absolutely necessary right now. [Speaker 6] (3:33:30 - 3:33:32) How about a one? We just go [Speaker 7] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32) How [Speaker 6] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32) down to [Speaker 7] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32) much [Speaker 2] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32) You let [Speaker 7] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32) does [Speaker 6] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32) one. [Speaker 7] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32) it cost [Speaker 2] (3:33:32 - 3:33:33) go, [Speaker 7] (3:33:33 - 3:33:33) to send [Speaker 2] (3:33:33 - 3:33:33) you let one [Speaker 7] (3:33:33 - 3:33:33) one? [Speaker 2] (3:33:33 - 3:33:33) go. [Speaker 6] (3:33:34 - 3:33:35) Well. [Speaker 6] (3:33:36 - 3:33:37) You're just going from two to one. [Speaker 9] (3:33:37 - 3:33:38) Right, two to one. [Speaker 7] (3:33:38 - 3:33:39) No, it's three to one. [Speaker 2] (3:33:39 - 3:33:39) Three [Speaker 6] (3:33:39 - 3:33:39) Right. [Speaker 7] (3:33:39 - 3:33:39) So [Speaker 2] (3:33:39 - 3:33:39) to one. [Speaker 7] (3:33:39 - 3:33:40) right now we let three [Speaker 5] (3:33:40 - 3:33:40) Three [Speaker 7] (3:33:40 - 3:33:40) go. [Speaker 5] (3:33:40 - 3:33:40) to one. [Speaker 9] (3:33:40 - 3:33:41) No, [Speaker 6] (3:33:41 - 3:33:41) Well, [Speaker 9] (3:33:41 - 3:33:41) I'm saying two [Speaker 6] (3:33:41 - 3:33:43) is thousand. there's two thousand Oh, dollars I'm going [Speaker 7] (3:33:43 - 3:33:43) sorry. [Speaker 6] (3:33:43 - 3:33:43) to one to one thousand. [Speaker 7] (3:33:43 - 3:33:49) Yeah, but I'm saying like if it costs twelve hundred dollars to send two, you might as well give them twelve hundred dollars so two Then can get [Speaker 5] (3:33:49 - 3:33:49) I [Speaker 7] (3:33:49 - 3:33:49) their [Speaker 5] (3:33:49 - 3:33:49) have [Speaker 7] (3:33:49 - 3:33:49) own. [Speaker 5] (3:33:49 - 3:33:51) to pay overtime because they're not there. [Speaker 4] (3:33:51 - 3:33:52) Right. [Speaker 2] (3:33:53 - 3:33:56) I'm just gonna throw that out there. Like that's what happens. [Speaker 7] (3:33:56 - 3:33:58) But if we're professionally developing [Speaker 2] (3:33:58 - 3:33:58) And we're [Speaker 7] (3:33:58 - 3:33:58) our [Speaker 2] (3:33:58 - 3:33:59) painting. [Speaker 7] (3:33:59 - 3:34:03) town hall staff, then this is a form of professional development for them as well. [Speaker 2] (3:34:03 - 3:34:03) Is it? [Speaker 7] (3:34:03 - 3:34:04) So in [Speaker 6] (3:34:04 - 3:34:04) Yeah, we did [Speaker 7] (3:34:04 - 3:34:05) this sense [Speaker 6] (3:34:05 - 3:34:05) reduce [Speaker 7] (3:34:05 - 3:34:05) of equity. [Speaker 6] (3:34:05 - 3:34:07) the conference up there too. [Speaker 7] (3:34:07 - 3:34:11) Yep. I just want to know if this is $2,000 for three people to go, correct? [Speaker 5] (3:34:11 - 3:34:12) Yes. [Speaker 7] (3:34:12 - 3:34:12) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:34:12 - 3:34:16) So if we wanted to send two of them, we could reduce it by a third. [Speaker 7] (3:34:16 - 3:34:16) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:34:16 - 3:34:18) 700 roughly. [Speaker 7] (3:34:18 - 3:34:18) $700. [Speaker 5] (3:34:20 - 3:34:20) Is [Speaker 7] (3:34:20 - 3:34:20) We it will make [Speaker 5] (3:34:20 - 3:34:20) something [Speaker 7] (3:34:20 - 3:34:25) it third we'll make it thirteen hundred dollars if that's okay. I would send two people instead of three. [Speaker 2] (3:34:25 - 3:34:26) Sure. [Speaker 2] (3:34:27 - 3:34:28) I would be fine with that. [Speaker 7] (3:34:28 - 3:34:30) There's a sigh. Does that mean no? [Speaker 10] (3:34:30 - 3:34:30) I [Speaker 6] (3:34:30 - 3:34:30) Point seven. [Speaker 10] (3:34:30 - 3:34:32) I can't math like that. [Speaker 7] (3:34:32 - 3:34:32) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:34:32 - 3:34:33) Point seven. Savings. [Speaker 2] (3:34:33 - 3:34:34) Is everyone with those big numbers? [Speaker 7] (3:34:36 - 3:34:37) Seven hundred dollars. [Speaker 6] (3:34:38 - 3:34:40) Yes. Okay, fuel. Eighteen to twenty. [Speaker 2] (3:34:40 - 3:34:41) More fuel. [Speaker 5] (3:34:44 - 3:34:44) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:34:44 - 3:34:45) Projected increase [Speaker 6] (3:34:45 - 3:34:46) Grishman want to get [Speaker 2] (3:34:46 - 3:34:46) projected [Speaker 6] (3:34:46 - 3:34:46) it down to thirteen? [Speaker 2] (3:34:46 - 3:34:47) increase in fuel. [Speaker 5] (3:34:48 - 3:34:48) I don't [Speaker 2] (3:34:48 - 3:34:48) Well, [Speaker 5] (3:34:48 - 3:34:49) get it. [Speaker 10] (3:34:49 - 3:34:50) level it, level it at [Speaker 7] (3:34:50 - 3:34:50) Level [Speaker 10] (3:34:50 - 3:34:50) eight, [Speaker 7] (3:34:50 - 3:34:51) it? [Speaker 10] (3:34:51 - 3:34:51) and [Speaker 5] (3:34:51 - 3:34:51) I don't [Speaker 10] (3:34:51 - 3:34:51) eight. [Speaker 5] (3:34:51 - 3:34:52) get it. [Speaker 7] (3:34:52 - 3:34:54) It's a 18. I mean, yeah, it's a 18, right? [Speaker 10] (3:34:54 - 3:34:55) Yep. [Speaker 7] (3:34:55 - 3:34:57) So it's a two thousand dollars savings. [Speaker 10] (3:34:57 - 3:34:57) Yep. [Speaker 7] (3:35:04 - 3:35:05) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:35:05 - 3:35:06) Are we under contract with Lynde dispatch? [Speaker 7] (3:35:07 - 3:35:07) Yes. [Speaker 2] (3:35:07 - 3:35:08) For how many years? [Speaker 1] (3:35:09 - 3:35:12) FY 26 is the last one of the current contract. [Speaker 10] (3:35:14 - 3:35:14) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:35:15 - 3:35:18) Is that for 9-1-1 services that we have to contract out to Lynn? [Speaker 1] (3:35:18 - 3:35:21) Yep, so they do all of our 911 dispatching. [Speaker 2] (3:35:21 - 3:35:24) Is that something that we should evaluate at some point, ladies? [Speaker 4] (3:35:24 - 3:35:27) We'd brought that up at Fiance Committee and you'd have to hire [Speaker 4] (3:35:28 - 3:35:34) The number of people you have to hire to cover 24-7, you know, nine one one dispatch is more than the contract. [Speaker 2] (3:35:34 - 3:35:37) Mm. Because it is an issue for the police that they have brought up, [Speaker 5] (3:35:38 - 3:35:38) Mm. [Speaker 2] (3:35:38 - 3:35:40) that it's not effective. So I'm just wondering. [Speaker 7] (3:35:40 - 3:35:42) And so say that again, Dina, sorry. [Speaker 2] (3:35:42 - 3:35:46) It's an issue for the police that they have brought up is not effective. Does not work effectively. [Speaker 10] (3:35:47 - 3:35:47) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:35:47 - 3:35:50) That the service that we're getting is not worth the value we're paying. [Speaker 4] (3:35:50 - 3:35:53) That s not what I remember the police chief saying. [Speaker 7] (3:35:54 - 3:35:54) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:35:54 - 3:35:54) Alright it's gonna be needing. [Speaker 2] (3:35:54 - 3:35:56) Well, That was a month ago, so I don't know. [Speaker 7] (3:35:57 - 3:35:58) We'll get to the bottom of that. [Speaker 5] (3:35:58 - 3:35:59) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:35:59 - 3:35:59) But not [Speaker 5] (3:35:59 - 3:35:59) Alright. [Speaker 7] (3:35:59 - 3:35:59) tonight. [Speaker 4] (3:36:00 - 3:36:03) Because we asked about regionalization and whether they could, you know, work [Speaker 5] (3:36:03 - 3:36:03) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:36:03 - 3:36:03) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (3:36:03 - 3:36:06) You asked, oh, instead of Lynn, could you work with [Speaker 5] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06) Right. [Speaker 4] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06) Salem, [Speaker 2] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06) Salem. [Speaker 4] (3:36:06 - 3:36:13) right? Or, but he said they work with a different dispatcher, like Salem has a, that has worse service than Lynn. [Speaker 4] (3:36:14 - 3:36:17) And, uh, he was gonna, [Speaker 4] (3:36:17 - 3:36:20) he said he was thinking about reaching out tomorrow. I don't know, I think they do it in-house. [Speaker 5] (3:36:20 - 3:36:21) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:36:21 - 3:36:21) They do it in-house. [Speaker 5] (3:36:21 - 3:36:22) They do. [Speaker 4] (3:36:22 - 3:36:25) I think they could, if they joined Lynn, right, then that could maybe reduce the cost for everyone. [Speaker 4] (3:36:26 - 3:36:28) But it's a bigger discussion sort of on [Speaker 2] (3:36:28 - 3:36:28) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:36:28 - 3:36:29) regionalisation. I mean. [Speaker 1] (3:36:29 - 3:36:33) And I think Marblehead employs eight dispatchers. [Speaker 2] (3:36:33 - 3:36:34) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (3:36:34 - 3:36:34) And [Speaker 1] (3:36:34 - 3:36:34) Okay. [Speaker 5] (3:36:34 - 3:36:35) I don't employ as good. [Speaker 1] (3:36:35 - 3:36:36) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (3:36:36 - 3:36:41) That's definitely not a tonight solve, so let's what let's keep moving into [Speaker 6] (3:36:41 - 3:36:41) Okay, [Speaker 7] (3:36:41 - 3:36:41) inventory. [Speaker 6] (3:36:41 - 3:36:43) I'm down to library. [Speaker 6] (3:36:43 - 3:36:50) I'm skipping over I didn't have anything in senior centre or veteran services or emergency management. [Speaker 1] (3:36:50 - 3:36:59) I I will say our our veterans is most likely going to our veterans is already over this year, we had additional veterans move into town, [Speaker 7] (3:36:59 - 3:36:59) Mm. [Speaker 1] (3:36:59 - 3:37:07) um so that is most likely not sufficient for next year, but we're waiting to see what our veterans service agent [Speaker 7] (3:37:07 - 3:37:08) Mm. [Speaker 1] (3:37:08 - 3:37:09) gives us for the update. [Speaker 6] (3:37:11 - 3:37:12) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:37:12 - 3:37:13) Okay. [Speaker 6] (3:37:13 - 3:37:18) Uh so under library I was in building expenses, gone from two thousand to seventy five hundred. [Speaker 6] (3:37:21 - 3:37:22) seems ripe for a cutting. [Speaker 1] (3:37:22 - 3:37:23) So [Speaker 1] (3:37:25 - 3:37:45) because the library has gotten more popular, um and we've had a lot more patrons in there, they are going through their janitorial supplies, um all of their building materials, everything at insane speeds, so they are over all of those lines this year. [Speaker 10] (3:37:46 - 3:37:47) And what are they at? Sorry. [Speaker 2] (3:37:47 - 3:37:48) Oh, thank you. Go ahead, Doug. [Speaker 2] (3:37:49 - 3:37:51) Before I say cut the toilet paper, because that's where I'm going. [Speaker 7] (3:37:52 - 3:37:54) Carry-in carry-out at the library now. [Speaker 10] (3:37:57 - 3:37:58) Bring your own toilet paper to the library. [Speaker 7] (3:37:58 - 3:38:00) Yeah, not the direction we're going. [Speaker 2] (3:38:00 - 3:38:02) We're going up 200%. [Speaker 7] (3:38:02 - 3:38:03) Okay. [Speaker 10] (3:38:04 - 3:38:07) So what is the actual spend in that category? Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:38:07 - 3:38:08) On building expense? [Speaker 7] (3:38:09 - 3:38:14) This year we are at 4,039. [Speaker 2] (3:38:15 - 3:38:17) And we're budgeted for seventy five hundred. [Speaker 4] (3:38:17 - 3:38:18) Next year. [Speaker 1] (3:38:18 - 3:38:18) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:38:18 - 3:38:19) Sorry, five thousand. [Speaker 4] (3:38:19 - 3:38:20) Five thousand. [Speaker 1] (3:38:20 - 3:38:21) Oh, wait. [Speaker 5] (3:38:21 - 3:38:22) Six five hundred. [Speaker 1] (3:38:22 - 3:38:23) Sixty five hundred. [Speaker 5] (3:38:24 - 3:38:24) Save a thousand. [Speaker 4] (3:38:25 - 3:38:25) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:38:27 - 3:38:27) Fifteen hundred. [Speaker 1] (3:38:27 - 3:38:31) A thousand a thousand dollars there. We'll take. [Speaker 2] (3:38:33 - 3:38:34) Shuttle is in the bathroom in the library. [Speaker 2] (3:38:35 - 3:38:35) Where do you go? [Speaker 5] (3:38:35 - 3:38:36) home before you go. [Speaker 2] (3:38:36 - 3:38:38) A three square mile town. [Speaker 5] (3:38:38 - 3:38:41) Outside services, jumping nine thousand dollars. [Speaker 1] (3:38:41 - 3:38:43) Yep, so that is the noble network. [Speaker 2] (3:38:43 - 3:38:43) The noble network. [Speaker 1] (3:38:43 - 3:38:47) So we have to pay that. [Speaker 1] (3:38:48 - 3:38:55) And our library director is on the board now, so they're working on reworking the formula for how that is. [Speaker 1] (3:38:56 - 3:38:56) shared for [Speaker 2] (3:38:56 - 3:38:57) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:38:57 - 3:39:02) future years, because right now the smaller libraries like Swampscott are so subsidizing [Speaker 2] (3:39:02 - 3:39:02) The [Speaker 1] (3:39:02 - 3:39:02) larger [Speaker 2] (3:39:02 - 3:39:03) bigger ones, [Speaker 1] (3:39:03 - 3:39:03) academic [Speaker 2] (3:39:03 - 3:39:03) right. [Speaker 1] (3:39:03 - 3:39:04) libraries. [Speaker 6] (3:39:04 - 3:39:05) Everybody pays the same. [Speaker 2] (3:39:05 - 3:39:05) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:39:06 - 3:39:06) Or [Speaker 2] (3:39:06 - 3:39:06) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:39:06 - 3:39:07) proportionately. [Speaker 6] (3:39:07 - 3:39:07) Proportionately. [Speaker 2] (3:39:07 - 3:39:08) Yep. [Speaker 1] (3:39:08 - 3:39:13) Right now like the flat base fee is substantial. So they're working on that. [Speaker 5] (3:39:13 - 3:39:19) Okay, next line, office supplies, expenses going from two to five. You wanna just go to two to four? [Speaker 1] (3:39:19 - 3:39:20) Sure. [Speaker 7] (3:39:22 - 3:39:27) Well was there a reason? Are they like trying to buy a printer or a piece of equipment or [Speaker 1] (3:39:27 - 3:39:28) No, because because they if might, [Speaker 2] (3:39:28 - 3:39:28) No. [Speaker 1] (3:39:28 - 3:39:31) they are increased foot traffic they're just going through [Speaker 7] (3:39:31 - 3:39:31) Yeah, because [Speaker 1] (3:39:31 - 3:39:32) everything is so much faster. [Speaker 7] (3:39:32 - 3:39:32) okay. [Speaker 5] (3:39:33 - 3:39:33) Hmm. [Speaker 7] (3:39:36 - 3:39:41) Who sets the fees at the library like um for printing and copying and [Speaker 2] (3:39:42 - 3:39:43) We do. [Speaker 7] (3:39:43 - 3:39:43) We do. [Speaker 2] (3:39:43 - 3:39:43) Yes. [Speaker 7] (3:39:43 - 3:39:45) Did we look at those fees? [Speaker 2] (3:39:45 - 3:39:46) I would add to the fee list. [Speaker 7] (3:39:46 - 3:39:48) Only because if office if if the [Speaker 2] (3:39:48 - 3:39:48) So [Speaker 7] (3:39:48 - 3:39:54) cost of supplies is increasing then proportionately the cost of copying and scanning and I [Speaker 1] (3:39:54 - 3:39:54) Yeah, [Speaker 7] (3:39:54 - 3:39:54) mean it's not [Speaker 1] (3:39:54 - 3:39:54) so [Speaker 7] (3:39:54 - 3:39:54) copying but [Speaker 1] (3:39:54 - 3:39:58) those go in the revolving fund. So that's one of the articles [Speaker 7] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:39:58 - 3:40:07) in there. So any printing that's done there is a revolving fund and that's why they asked to increase the spending limit this year because the cost of all [Speaker 7] (3:40:07 - 3:40:08) Yes. [Speaker 1] (3:40:08 - 3:40:08) of that has gone up. [Speaker 7] (3:40:08 - 3:40:09) So we should consider [Speaker 7] (3:40:10 - 3:40:13) the costs what it's costing us to facilitate that [Speaker 1] (3:40:13 - 3:40:13) Yeah, [Speaker 7] (3:40:13 - 3:40:14) okay [Speaker 1] (3:40:14 - 3:40:16) that's part of the RFP for the copier services because [Speaker 2] (3:40:16 - 3:40:17) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (3:40:17 - 3:40:18) not [Speaker 1] (3:40:18 - 3:40:26) there is a cost to reprogram the copier to increase the fee and that cost is insane. [Speaker 7] (3:40:26 - 3:40:27) worth the increasing [Speaker 1] (3:40:27 - 3:40:28) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:40:28 - 3:40:34) the fee ridiculous okay why is the telephone here but also in the original [Speaker 1] (3:40:34 - 3:40:35) That's for their [Speaker 1] (3:40:36 - 3:40:38) Elevator, the phone line in the elevator. [Speaker 7] (3:40:38 - 3:40:40) Oh, the emergency line. [Speaker 8] (3:40:41 - 3:40:41) Well [Speaker 7] (3:40:41 - 3:40:43) Doug, you want to cut that two? [Speaker 2] (3:40:46 - 3:40:48) Don't get stuck in there, Doug. [Speaker 7] (3:40:48 - 3:40:48) Alright. [Speaker 8] (3:40:49 - 3:40:50) They got their cell phones. [Speaker 2] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51) No we don't. [Speaker 7] (3:40:52 - 3:40:52) Yeah when the delegates [Speaker 8] (3:40:52 - 3:40:53) Oh they never took 'em away, [Speaker 2] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53) No we don't. [Speaker 8] (3:40:53 - 3:40:54) did they? [Speaker 5] (3:40:54 - 3:40:54) Oh no. [Speaker 2] (3:40:54 - 3:40:55) No. [Speaker 7] (3:40:55 - 3:40:57) When the delegates stuck in the elevator it'll be uh [Speaker 8] (3:40:57 - 3:40:58) Smoke signals. [Speaker 7] (3:40:59 - 3:41:01) Okay, moving on um [Speaker 5] (3:41:02 - 3:41:03) We're done. I'm well at least I'm done. [Speaker 7] (3:41:04 - 3:41:04) You're done? [Speaker 2] (3:41:04 - 3:41:05) We're done. [Speaker 9] (3:41:05 - 3:41:05) Really? [Speaker 7] (3:41:05 - 3:41:06) We're done. [Speaker 9] (3:41:06 - 3:41:07) You're going to let library materials go? [Speaker 7] (3:41:08 - 3:41:09) Library materials 34 [Speaker 5] (3:41:09 - 3:41:10) Uh-oh. [Speaker 7] (3:41:10 - 3:41:14) thousand 750 is going up to 140 thousand, what's the increase? [Speaker 1] (3:41:14 - 3:41:19) We are required by state to be an accredited library, and it's a very complex formula that I'm happy to share with you. [Speaker 7] (3:41:20 - 3:41:23) Nope, not interested. Just tell me that it's required and that's fine. [Speaker 5] (3:41:24 - 3:41:24) I [Speaker 7] (3:41:24 - 3:41:24) David's [Speaker 5] (3:41:24 - 3:41:25) didn't I [Speaker 7] (3:41:25 - 3:41:25) got something. [Speaker 5] (3:41:25 - 3:41:32) yeah I just had a so just about I didn't have any more expenses so continue on with the expenses I'm sorry. [Speaker 7] (3:41:32 - 3:41:35) That's okay. Um [Speaker 2] (3:41:35 - 3:41:38) I was concerned with the increase in the senior centre overall though. [Speaker 1] (3:41:39 - 3:41:55) So that was a concerted effort by the previous administrator and the select board to, as our population was more gray and aging, that we were going to make more investments to expand the senior center in terms of staffing and services provided. [Speaker 2] (3:41:56 - 3:41:58) I mean, I think the part-time staffing increased significantly. [Speaker 1] (3:41:59 - 3:42:03) So that's a shift. So that used to be in the expense line, [Speaker 1] (3:42:03 - 3:42:04) and it moved up to... [Speaker 1] (3:42:06 - 3:42:11) Instead of having a contracted outside vendor, it's moving to a part-time person. [Speaker 2] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11) Okay. [Speaker 5] (3:42:14 - 3:42:22) Just a couple of questions about or yeah, a few questions. Um there was one about cannabis impact fees. [Speaker 5] (3:42:22 - 3:42:30) And then there was another one about the sixty one B legislation which was uh voted on at our at our uh special spring twenty twenty four [Speaker 1] (3:42:30 - 3:42:30) Yes. [Speaker 5] (3:42:30 - 3:42:31) town meeting. [Speaker 5] (3:42:32 - 3:42:32) Um [Speaker 7] (3:42:32 - 3:42:34) These are Are these not reflected? [Speaker 5] (3:42:34 - 3:42:47) No, no, no, this this is just a this is just a general conversation. So I just what I wasn't sure if you had an update as to that 61B uh legislation. I know it I know it doesn't necessarily result in cash flowing. [Speaker 5] (3:42:48 - 3:42:53) flowing in but if you can explain how that would work and then those cannabis impact fees [Speaker 2] (3:42:53 - 3:42:53) Yes. [Speaker 5] (3:42:53 - 3:42:55) within Vinnin Square as well as Pine Street. [Speaker 1] (3:42:55 - 3:42:56) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:42:56 - 3:42:57) So I'll start with 61B. [Speaker 1] (3:42:58 - 3:43:05) So we are still monitoring where it's at in legislation and keeping an eye on that and keeping the pressure on our legislators to make sure that that gets through. [Speaker 1] (3:43:07 - 3:43:10) As you stated, it's not going to bring any additional revenue. It will however, [Speaker 1] (3:43:10 - 3:43:12) you know, appropriately shift the burden. [Speaker 1] (3:43:13 - 3:43:16) back to them and off of everyone else. [Speaker 1] (3:43:17 - 3:43:23) So we are keeping track on that. I will get a formal update on exactly where it's at in the process. [Speaker 5] (3:43:23 - 3:43:24) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (3:43:24 - 3:43:34) For the cannabis impact fees we have tried, we've gone all the way to DOR, we've gone with legal and we have not had an avenue to... [Speaker 1] (3:43:35 - 3:44:04) get those the communities that have tried have not been successful we are still working we've even reached out to DOR legal earlier today because her pain journey because they are a specific demographic they're saying we're able to get an additional one and a half percent from the state so we've been working for the last eight months to try to figure out [Speaker 1] (3:44:04 - 3:44:14) who we can contact at State to get access to that. So um you know, even as of today we were following back up with DOR legal to see [Speaker 2] (3:44:14 - 3:44:14) Mm. [Speaker 1] (3:44:14 - 3:44:15) how we can pursue this. [Speaker 5] (3:44:15 - 3:44:16) So okay, [Speaker 7] (3:44:16 - 3:44:16) is [Speaker 5] (3:44:16 - 3:44:16) so [Speaker 7] (3:44:16 - 3:44:16) this [Speaker 5] (3:44:16 - 3:44:16) no one [Speaker 7] (3:44:16 - 3:44:16) something [Speaker 5] (3:44:16 - 3:44:25) so no one within D_ within D_O_R_ or within our existing legal team at K_P_ has any insight or or [Speaker 9] (3:44:25 - 3:44:25) Mm. [Speaker 5] (3:44:27 - 3:44:29) Contacts at the CCC or [Speaker 1] (3:44:29 - 3:44:47) No, so every everything that we've gotten back as an answer is unless we can show that our community has been negatively impacted specific to that cannabis shop that places have not been successful and due to our proximity to other communities that also have cannabis shops within [Speaker 1] (3:44:48 - 3:44:57) close to our borders, um it would be very difficult to prove that any impact to our community is directly related to ours and not other communities. [Speaker 7] (3:45:05 - 3:45:14) Um in the realm of fees coming from cannabis, um we do collect [Speaker 7] (3:45:14 - 3:45:17) Two thousand dollars, I believe it is a month? From [Speaker 2] (3:45:17 - 3:45:18) From Calix, yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:45:18 - 3:45:19) Calis for parking? [Speaker 2] (3:45:19 - 3:45:20) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (3:45:20 - 3:45:27) We give it to the post right now to subsidise uh the parking coming from them. [Speaker 2] (3:45:28 - 3:45:28) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (3:45:29 - 3:45:31) Think we have to consider [Speaker 7] (3:45:32 - 3:45:33) all monies on the table. [Speaker 7] (3:45:34 - 3:45:35) So should we be [Speaker 7] (3:45:37 - 3:45:40) giving that to the post? Should we be giving all of it to the post? [Speaker 2] (3:45:43 - 3:45:47) Does that have an expiration date on how long? Is it an agreement? [Speaker 7] (3:45:47 - 3:45:47) I Is don't [Speaker 2] (3:45:47 - 3:45:47) in know writing? [Speaker 7] (3:45:47 - 3:45:49) if it's a formal agreement, is it? [Speaker 2] (3:45:49 - 3:45:50) So no lease. [Speaker 1] (3:45:50 - 3:46:00) It is um is an agreement with Calix that they've as part of their lease that they will uh pay the town two thousand dollars for use of the parking spots. [Speaker 2] (3:46:00 - 3:46:02) And then the town just turns around and [Speaker 7] (3:46:02 - 3:46:02) I thought [Speaker 2] (3:46:02 - 3:46:02) hands [Speaker 7] (3:46:02 - 3:46:02) that, yeah, [Speaker 2] (3:46:02 - 3:46:02) it over. [Speaker 1] (3:46:02 - 3:46:02) yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:46:02 - 3:46:03) but [Speaker 1] (3:46:03 - 3:46:03) So no [Speaker 7] (3:46:03 - 3:46:06) the question is, is it an obligation that we pay it to post? [Speaker 1] (3:46:07 - 3:46:10) it is a it was a decision made by the select board. [Speaker 2] (3:46:10 - 3:46:12) How long has it been in effect? [Speaker 5] (3:46:14 - 3:46:16) Since Calix went into business, [Speaker 2] (3:46:16 - 3:46:16) Yeah. Which [Speaker 5] (3:46:16 - 3:46:19) which is what, twenty two. [Speaker 2] (3:46:19 - 3:46:26) Mm-hmm. So multiple years. Four, three, four years. So can it subsidize any of the veterans line items here? [Speaker 1] (3:46:27 - 3:46:31) It's general fund revenue, so it can go to any part of the general [Speaker 2] (3:46:31 - 3:46:31) So [Speaker 1] (3:46:31 - 3:46:31) fund. [Speaker 2] (3:46:31 - 3:46:33) it could be used to offset so [Speaker 2] (3:46:35 - 3:46:36) you could consider reducing it. [Speaker 5] (3:46:37 - 3:46:39) The post is still going to be there this year. [Speaker 2] (3:46:39 - 3:46:39) Right. [Speaker 5] (3:46:39 - 3:46:41) And probably next year. [Speaker 5] (3:46:41 - 3:46:42) Yeah, so [Speaker 5] (3:46:44 - 3:46:47) It probably wouldn't be a shock to hear me say I don't really think we should do that. [Speaker 2] (3:46:47 - 3:46:47) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:46:47 - 3:46:49) That's fine. I didn't [Speaker 2] (3:46:49 - 3:46:50) Just putting it out there. [Speaker 7] (3:46:50 - 3:47:05) think everybody would like it. I just thought it's worth the conversation point since we're going to be charging taxpayers for whatever funds we don't find and we are giving $2,000 to the post right now monthly. [Speaker 1] (3:47:06 - 3:47:06) So [Speaker 5] (3:47:09 - 3:47:11) So my my totals [Speaker 2] (3:47:11 - 3:47:11) Yep. [Speaker 5] (3:47:11 - 3:47:16) so we have the seventy four thousand seven hundred that Amy came in with [Speaker 2] (3:47:16 - 3:47:18) Both over, right? [Speaker 2] (3:47:18 - 3:47:19) With extra [Speaker 5] (3:47:19 - 3:47:19) that [Speaker 2] (3:47:19 - 3:47:19) revenue? [Speaker 5] (3:47:19 - 3:47:27) thank you then David had a thirty three thousand dollar contribution from the going from the [Speaker 5] (3:47:28 - 3:47:29) Four to six percent. [Speaker 7] (3:47:30 - 3:47:30) Wait, seventy [Speaker 5] (3:47:30 - 3:47:30) Is that [Speaker 7] (3:47:30 - 3:47:30) four [Speaker 5] (3:47:30 - 3:47:30) right? [Speaker 7] (3:47:30 - 3:47:33) thousand seven hundred you had? Maybe that's where my math [Speaker 2] (3:47:33 - 3:47:36) Yes, seventy f you gave us seventy four seven hundred Okay, on [Speaker 7] (3:47:36 - 3:47:37) go ahead. [Speaker 2] (3:47:37 - 3:47:37) revenue. [Speaker 5] (3:47:37 - 3:47:37) You Right. [Speaker 2] (3:47:37 - 3:47:39) did but gave us seven thirty [Speaker 5] (3:47:39 - 3:47:39) Thirty three? [Speaker 2] (3:47:39 - 3:47:39) three. [Speaker 5] (3:47:39 - 3:47:42) Okay, we decided on a thirty three K_ increase, [Speaker 7] (3:47:42 - 3:47:42) Yep. [Speaker 5] (3:47:42 - 3:47:42) right? [Speaker 2] (3:47:43 - 3:47:45) Yep, it's one oh seven seven. [Speaker 5] (3:47:45 - 3:47:47) And then I had another three K_ [Speaker 2] (3:47:48 - 3:47:48) Cell phone? [Speaker 7] (3:47:48 - 3:47:49) Cell phones. [Speaker 5] (3:47:49 - 3:47:51) Cell phones, Danielle cell phones, yes. [Speaker 7] (3:47:51 - 3:47:52) Yep. [Speaker 2] (3:47:52 - 3:47:52) Sorry. [Speaker 5] (3:47:52 - 3:47:53) Um [Speaker 2] (3:47:53 - 3:47:54) It's one ten. [Speaker 5] (3:47:55 - 3:47:59) And then all the other reductions, including [Speaker 5] (3:48:01 - 3:48:04) increasing the planner by 30, [Speaker 5] (3:48:05 - 3:48:08) the net of all that was another 30K. [Speaker 1] (3:48:08 - 3:48:09) I have 11.2. [Speaker 2] (3:48:08 - 3:48:10) I have 11-200. [Speaker 4] (3:48:10 - 3:48:12) Yeah, I didn't I didn't get yeah I got [Speaker 1] (3:48:13 - 3:48:15) You don't have 30K? [Speaker 4] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15) No, I [Speaker 5] (3:48:15 - 3:48:16) Oh, [Speaker 4] (3:48:16 - 3:48:16) didn't have it. [Speaker 5] (3:48:16 - 3:48:18) you didn't what? Are you counting anything from legal? [Speaker 5] (3:48:19 - 3:48:20) Or contracts? [Speaker 2] (3:48:20 - 3:48:21) I [Speaker 5] (3:48:21 - 3:48:21) Did not? [Speaker 2] (3:48:21 - 3:48:29) have I have fifteen thousand reduced in legal, the net of all the expense reductions and the one addition is eleven thousand two hundred. [Speaker 4] (3:48:29 - 3:48:31) Yeah, I get I get right to [Speaker 6] (3:48:31 - 3:48:31) Yeah okay. [Speaker 4] (3:48:31 - 3:48:34) one twenty. I get one nineteen nine, right? [Speaker 2] (3:48:34 - 3:48:35) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (3:48:35 - 3:48:35) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:48:35 - 3:48:37) You mean everything all in? [Speaker 2] (3:48:37 - 3:48:46) Guys wait. Why don't we just add it all up without the thirty thousand and come to a number. Like why are we getting why are we going in circle like okay, so if you [Speaker 6] (3:48:46 - 3:48:47) Is it thirty or forty? [Speaker 2] (3:48:48 - 3:48:48) 'Cause [Speaker 5] (3:48:52 - 3:48:58) I do want to say that if we are allocating this money for the senior planner, then I really do think [Speaker 5] (3:48:59 - 3:49:03) When we have an actual person ready to start as building inspector, [Speaker 5] (3:49:03 - 3:49:07) that deserves as much, if not more, more consideration. [Speaker 5] (3:49:08 - 3:49:24) Because technically the plant, senior planner position is still in theory, there's not someone identified for it. But if we have somebody who can actually start and make a difference to the revenue in this town and the building issues, I think that deserves equal consideration. [Speaker 5] (3:49:25 - 3:49:28) I don't wanna say it, but I I think that. [Speaker 1] (3:49:28 - 3:49:29) That was just weird happening. I just [Speaker 6] (3:49:30 - 3:49:30) You gotta get where you go. [Speaker 1] (3:49:30 - 3:49:30) I [Speaker 7] (3:49:31 - 3:49:43) So we can we can watch the tape back and figure out the dollars, but I have one hundred and forty nine thousand, one fifty. That's without taking the additional [Speaker 5] (3:49:43 - 3:49:44) Senior Planner. [Speaker 7] (3:49:44 - 3:49:45) money for the planner. [Speaker 1] (3:49:46 - 3:49:46) Yeah, we should bring [Speaker 5] (3:49:46 - 3:49:46) So [Speaker 1] (3:49:46 - 3:49:46) that guy up. [Speaker 5] (3:49:46 - 3:49:47) which is what [Speaker 7] (3:49:47 - 3:49:47) One [Speaker 5] (3:49:47 - 3:49:47) David had, [Speaker 7] (3:49:47 - 3:49:47) forty nine [Speaker 5] (3:49:47 - 3:49:48) one nineteen. [Speaker 7] (3:49:48 - 3:49:49) one fifty. [Speaker 5] (3:49:50 - 3:49:51) That brings you to 119 after you take [Speaker 7] (3:49:51 - 3:49:52) So [Speaker 5] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52) off the [Speaker 7] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52) when [Speaker 5] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52) planner. [Speaker 7] (3:49:52 - 3:49:53) you take out the planner, [Speaker 7] (3:49:53 - 3:49:58) you're looking at 119,150 is what I have. [Speaker 6] (3:49:58 - 3:49:59) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:49:59 - 3:50:00) What do you have, David? [Speaker 4] (3:50:00 - 3:50:01) I have 119.9. [Speaker 7] (3:50:02 - 3:50:03) Okay, so we're [Speaker 4] (3:50:03 - 3:50:03) So we're [Speaker 7] (3:50:03 - 3:50:04) in the realm. [Speaker 4] (3:50:04 - 3:50:04) basically [Speaker 7] (3:50:04 - 3:50:09) So we're looking at approximately 119,000 in savings on the town side that we've found. [Speaker 7] (3:50:11 - 3:50:13) We should talk about the building commissioner then. [Speaker 5] (3:50:13 - 3:50:18) So if it's going to take an extra ten thousand for the build, wh what I I don't even know what number we landed on, [Speaker 6] (3:50:18 - 3:50:18) Yep. [Speaker 5] (3:50:18 - 3:50:23) that would bring us to one oh nine. That is what I would suggest. That would that I would be comfortable with that. [Speaker 7] (3:50:23 - 3:50:28) Well right now the budget doesn't show that though. Right now the budget shows [Speaker 1] (3:50:28 - 3:50:30) Well, it shows eighty, but then there's we take [Speaker 5] (3:50:30 - 3:50:30) which [Speaker 1] (3:50:30 - 3:50:30) ten [Speaker 5] (3:50:30 - 3:50:30) brings [Speaker 1] (3:50:30 - 3:50:31) and ten salary reserve [Speaker 5] (3:50:31 - 3:50:31) twenty [Speaker 1] (3:50:31 - 3:50:31) for ninety. [Speaker 5] (3:50:31 - 3:50:32) thousand from the [Speaker 7] (3:50:32 - 3:50:37) Well you ha ten in salary reserve for next for fiscal year twenty six. [Speaker 5] (3:50:37 - 3:50:37) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (3:50:37 - 3:50:37) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:50:37 - 3:50:38) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:50:39 - 3:50:40) So we have to come up with [Speaker 1] (3:50:41 - 3:50:41) Ten. [Speaker 7] (3:50:41 - 3:50:42) Ten, just ten. [Speaker 5] (3:50:42 - 3:50:42) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:50:43 - 3:50:43) Okay. [Speaker 5] (3:50:46 - 3:50:47) So it brings you to 109. [Speaker 7] (3:50:48 - 3:50:49) So we got 109, 150. [Speaker 1] (3:50:50 - 3:50:50) Hey, [Speaker 7] (3:50:50 - 3:50:50) So we then [Speaker 1] (3:50:50 - 3:50:54) haven't we haven't done anything with the Finance Committee reserve or [Speaker 7] (3:50:54 - 3:50:55) or the bonuses. [Speaker 7] (3:50:57 - 3:50:57) We haven't done [Speaker 1] (3:50:57 - 3:50:57) the [Speaker 7] (3:50:57 - 3:50:58) anything. [Speaker 1] (3:50:58 - 3:50:58) salaries. [Speaker 7] (3:50:58 - 3:50:59) Or the salaries, correct. [Speaker 7] (3:51:03 - 3:51:06) So in just looking at that 10, 109, 106. [Speaker 7] (3:51:06 - 3:51:21) So then we need to take a vote to support the hundred like for him to hire a building commissioner That's not even on here So we're gonna have to wait until the Monday meeting to add that to the agenda So that we can vote on increasing the [Speaker 5] (3:51:21 - 3:51:22) Allocation, [Speaker 7] (3:51:22 - 3:51:23) allocation [Speaker 5] (3:51:23 - 3:51:26) you know because it's it's already you already have money [Speaker 5] (3:51:28 - 3:51:31) Don't you have money under the building inspector line item right now? Because you haven't [Speaker 7] (3:51:31 - 3:51:32) We do? [Speaker 5] (3:51:32 - 3:51:32) had a building [Speaker 7] (3:51:32 - 3:51:32) Twenty-five? [Speaker 5] (3:51:32 - 3:51:32) inspector. [Speaker 6] (3:51:32 - 3:51:33) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:51:33 - 3:51:33) Hmm. [Speaker 5] (3:51:33 - 3:51:34) Right, so [Speaker 7] (3:51:34 - 3:51:35) Uh, half-way to just twenty-five thousand. [Speaker 5] (3:51:35 - 3:51:39) make the change in this budget, it wouldn't doesn't affect anything as it's right [Speaker 1] (3:51:39 - 3:51:39) being here. [Speaker 5] (3:51:39 - 3:51:39) now. [Speaker 1] (3:51:39 - 3:51:40) The senior planner. [Speaker 7] (3:51:40 - 3:51:41) Okay, so [Speaker 5] (3:51:41 - 3:51:41) We've already voted it. [Speaker 7] (3:51:41 - 3:51:44) we've already voted to support the the building commissioner. [Speaker 5] (3:51:44 - 3:51:46) So I don't think we need another vote, [Speaker 6] (3:51:46 - 3:51:46) What? [Speaker 5] (3:51:46 - 3:51:47) right? [Speaker 2] (3:51:47 - 3:51:48) Okay. You you will need [Speaker 7] (3:51:48 - 3:51:48) To I will [Speaker 2] (3:51:48 - 3:51:48) appoint [Speaker 7] (3:51:48 - 3:51:49) need to. [Speaker 2] (3:51:49 - 3:51:50) the building [Speaker 7] (3:51:50 - 3:51:51) Okay, fine. So consider [Speaker 5] (3:51:51 - 3:51:51) Right. [Speaker 7] (3:51:51 - 3:51:52) that. [Speaker 7] (3:51:53 - 3:51:55) Diane for the next agenda please. [Speaker 6] (3:51:56 - 3:51:56) Okay. [Speaker 5] (3:51:56 - 3:51:56) Appointing the Well, one. [Speaker 7] (3:51:56 - 3:51:57) not the next. [Speaker 5] (3:51:57 - 3:51:59) Do you mean the one in June? [Speaker 7] (3:51:59 - 3:51:59) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (3:51:59 - 3:52:00) That's [Speaker 7] (3:52:00 - 3:52:01) we'll correct. talk to Gino about it, sorry. [Speaker 4] (3:52:01 - 3:52:01) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:52:01 - 3:52:01) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:52:01 - 3:52:03) Let's make sure [Speaker 7] (3:52:04 - 3:52:05) he's [Speaker 4] (3:52:05 - 3:52:07) Yeah, not sure we need to vote on anything else. [Speaker 5] (3:52:07 - 3:52:08) I don't think so. [Speaker 6] (3:52:08 - 3:52:08) Right. [Speaker 7] (3:52:08 - 3:52:08) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:52:08 - 3:52:08) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:52:08 - 3:52:10) Can you stop before the appointment? [Speaker 5] (3:52:10 - 3:52:11) No. [Speaker 7] (3:52:11 - 3:52:11) No. [Speaker 6] (3:52:11 - 3:52:11) Doesn't care. [Speaker 5] (3:52:12 - 3:52:13) Nice try, Christa. [Speaker 4] (3:52:13 - 3:52:14) Didn't [Speaker 5] (3:52:14 - 3:52:14) You [Speaker 4] (3:52:14 - 3:52:14) we have [Speaker 5] (3:52:14 - 3:52:14) keep pushing [Speaker 4] (3:52:14 - 3:52:14) to tell [Speaker 5] (3:52:14 - 3:52:15) it today. [Speaker 4] (3:52:15 - 3:52:16) him to keep him out, but maybe we can get him into uh [Speaker 5] (3:52:17 - 3:52:19) You can staff for free before if you [Speaker 7] (3:52:19 - 3:52:19) Well, [Speaker 5] (3:52:19 - 3:52:19) like. [Speaker 7] (3:52:19 - 3:52:20) we're we're meeting on Monday, [Speaker 4] (3:52:20 - 3:52:20) That's [Speaker 7] (3:52:20 - 3:52:20) so [Speaker 4] (3:52:20 - 3:52:20) what I think. [Speaker 7] (3:52:20 - 3:52:25) if it's just a five second situation then we can point him, but what's the matter? [Speaker 1] (3:52:25 - 3:52:29) I guess just a question is what what exactly was our vote? Did we already approve this? Wasn't that [Speaker 7] (3:52:29 - 3:52:29) We [Speaker 6] (3:52:29 - 3:52:31) You did contingent upon me [Speaker 5] (3:52:31 - 3:52:31) we did. [Speaker 6] (3:52:31 - 3:52:33) negotiating a deal with him. [Speaker 1] (3:52:33 - 3:52:33) Right. [Speaker 7] (3:52:33 - 3:52:37) Okay, so you negotiated the deal, can we consider it done or do we have to vote to appoint him? [Speaker 2] (3:52:37 - 3:52:38) You will still have to vote [Speaker 7] (3:52:38 - 3:52:38) Yes. [Speaker 2] (3:52:38 - 3:52:38) to appoint [Speaker 5] (3:52:38 - 3:52:38) Sure. [Speaker 2] (3:52:38 - 3:52:39) him. [Speaker 5] (3:52:38 - 3:52:39) To a point. [Speaker 1] (3:52:39 - 3:52:39) So [Speaker 5] (3:52:39 - 3:52:39) We [Speaker 1] (3:52:39 - 3:52:41) we can't start until then, okay. [Speaker 5] (3:52:41 - 3:52:41) Right. [Speaker 7] (3:52:41 - 3:52:41) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:52:41 - 3:52:42) Okay, that's fine. [Speaker 5] (3:52:42 - 3:52:43) Let's even start. [Speaker 7] (3:52:43 - 3:52:53) All right, so we still haven't voted to our suggestion on the article is going to be given that we have all of these changes. [Speaker 1] (3:52:55 - 3:52:56) We'd have to have a detailed amendment. [Speaker 8] (3:52:57 - 3:52:57) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:52:57 - 3:53:04) But okay, so let's get back to you know, we did all that work and we got you know, what we got or what are we doing with the finance reserve? [Speaker 6] (3:53:05 - 3:53:07) Technically, didn't you save another thirty thousand [Speaker 5] (3:53:07 - 3:53:07) Eric [Speaker 6] (3:53:07 - 3:53:08) dollars, [Speaker 5] (3:53:08 - 3:53:08) says no. [Speaker 6] (3:53:08 - 3:53:09) in not doing the audit? [Speaker 5] (3:53:09 - 3:53:12) Katie, do you want to weigh in on finance reserve? [Speaker 7] (3:53:12 - 3:53:13) I was coming out of free cash. [Speaker 6] (3:53:13 - 3:53:13) Free cash. [Speaker 5] (3:53:13 - 3:53:13) You were, [Speaker 1] (3:53:13 - 3:53:14) I don't think we can, [Speaker 1] (3:53:14 - 3:53:14) you [Speaker 5] (3:53:14 - 3:53:15) You can't, [Speaker 2] (3:53:15 - 3:53:16) actually can't. [Speaker 1] (3:53:16 - 3:53:16) I don't [Speaker 2] (3:53:16 - 3:53:16) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:53:16 - 3:53:17) have a quorum. [Speaker 7] (3:53:17 - 3:53:17) Mm-mm. [Speaker 5] (3:53:18 - 3:53:18) Right, okay. [Speaker 7] (3:53:19 - 3:53:20) Sorry? Say again? What [Speaker 5] (3:53:20 - 3:53:20) They [Speaker 7] (3:53:20 - 3:53:21) am I missing? [Speaker 5] (3:53:21 - 3:53:27) can't, I, Eric, I wanted to see if Eric and Katie wanted to weigh in on finance reserve, but they can't. [Speaker 7] (3:53:28 - 3:53:28) Um. [Speaker 5] (3:53:28 - 3:53:28) Sorry. [Speaker 6] (3:53:29 - 3:53:29) Oh, we can speak. [Speaker 6] (3:53:29 - 3:53:30) you can send a picture [Speaker 7] (3:53:30 - 3:53:32) And you don't have another meeting before you are [Speaker 5] (3:53:32 - 3:53:33) On [Speaker 7] (3:53:33 - 3:53:33) meeting [Speaker 5] (3:53:33 - 3:53:33) Monday. [Speaker 7] (3:53:33 - 3:53:33) on Monday [Speaker 5] (3:53:33 - 3:53:34) Give me meeting minutes. [Speaker 4] (3:53:34 - 3:53:34) Meeting with us. [Speaker 7] (3:53:34 - 3:53:36) today the same time with us? [Speaker 5] (3:53:37 - 3:53:37) No, Is this joint [Speaker 7] (3:53:37 - 3:53:37) we're in a different [Speaker 5] (3:53:37 - 3:53:38) session? [Speaker 7] (3:53:38 - 3:53:38) room? [Speaker 5] (3:53:38 - 3:53:39) No, they're in a their own room. [Speaker 4] (3:53:39 - 3:53:40) Oh, it's not a joint meeting? [Speaker 5] (3:53:40 - 3:53:41) I don't think so. [Speaker 5] (3:53:41 - 3:53:42) I [Speaker 7] (3:53:42 - 3:53:43) So we have time to make it a joint meeting? [Speaker 5] (3:53:43 - 3:53:47) I had requested that, but I don't know if we have time. [Speaker 1] (3:53:47 - 3:53:47) Time. [Speaker 7] (3:53:48 - 3:53:50) We have appetite, Eric, to make it a joint meeting? [Speaker 5] (3:53:51 - 3:53:53) Does it make sense for what we're trying to do? [Speaker 4] (3:53:53 - 3:53:54) I don't [Speaker 7] (3:53:54 - 3:53:55) I get back to [Speaker 5] (3:53:55 - 3:53:55) It [Speaker 7] (3:53:55 - 3:53:55) you. [Speaker 5] (3:53:55 - 3:53:58) only has to do a post and meeting at the same time. [Speaker 5] (3:53:58 - 3:53:59) So meeting at [Speaker 1] (3:53:59 - 3:53:59) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (3:53:59 - 3:54:00) the same time, so it just depends where you're posting your [Speaker 2] (3:54:01 - 3:54:01) Ours [Speaker 5] (3:54:01 - 3:54:01) actual [Speaker 2] (3:54:01 - 3:54:01) are for [Speaker 5] (3:54:01 - 3:54:01) minutes. [Speaker 2] (3:54:01 - 3:54:02) B208. [Speaker 5] (3:54:03 - 3:54:04) We're at B, [Speaker 2] (3:54:04 - 3:54:04) you're in [Speaker 7] (3:54:04 - 3:54:04) It's [Speaker 2] (3:54:04 - 3:54:05) here. [Speaker 7] (3:54:05 - 3:54:05) Wednesday though. [Speaker 5] (3:54:06 - 3:54:06) We're in here? [Speaker 7] (3:54:09 - 3:54:12) There's still time to update the posting, right? [Speaker 5] (3:54:12 - 3:54:12) We have [Speaker 7] (3:54:12 - 3:54:12) It's [Speaker 5] (3:54:12 - 3:54:13) forty [Speaker 7] (3:54:13 - 3:54:13) not happening [Speaker 5] (3:54:13 - 3:54:13) minutes, [Speaker 7] (3:54:13 - 3:54:13) till Monday. [Speaker 5] (3:54:13 - 3:54:14) forty hours. [Speaker 5] (3:54:14 - 3:54:16) It's Monday, so you have to post tomorrow? [Speaker 2] (3:54:16 - 3:54:17) We have to post it tomorrow. [Speaker 7] (3:54:17 - 3:54:20) Tomorrow. So you could change the location if you want to have a drink. Okay, well we can just [Speaker 4] (3:54:20 - 3:54:21) I mean, I mean. [Speaker 5] (3:54:22 - 3:54:22) When the [Speaker 1] (3:54:22 - 3:54:26) I think we kind of have a sense of what the finance committee is going to say about reducing the finance committee reserve, [Speaker 1] (3:54:27 - 3:54:27) right? But [Speaker 2] (3:54:28 - 3:54:29) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (3:54:29 - 3:54:29) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:54:29 - 3:54:29) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:54:29 - 3:54:29) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (3:54:30 - 3:54:30) Okay. [Speaker 7] (3:54:34 - 3:54:37) So I need a motion about article four. [Speaker 7] (3:54:40 - 3:54:40) Or you want [Speaker 4] (3:54:40 - 3:54:40) Or [Speaker 7] (3:54:40 - 3:54:41) to talk [Speaker 4] (3:54:41 - 3:54:41) do we [Speaker 7] (3:54:41 - 3:54:41) about, [Speaker 4] (3:54:41 - 3:54:41) still have, [Speaker 7] (3:54:41 - 3:54:41) you want [Speaker 4] (3:54:41 - 3:54:41) do we [Speaker 7] (3:54:41 - 3:54:42) to, you just [Speaker 4] (3:54:42 - 3:54:42) still have [Speaker 7] (3:54:42 - 3:54:42) still [Speaker 4] (3:54:42 - 3:54:42) other [Speaker 7] (3:54:42 - 3:54:42) want [Speaker 4] (3:54:42 - 3:54:42) items? [Speaker 7] (3:54:42 - 3:54:43) to reduce. [Speaker 4] (3:54:43 - 3:54:44) Do we still have those other items that [Speaker 7] (3:54:44 - 3:54:44) We [Speaker 4] (3:54:44 - 3:54:45) were, do. that were. [Speaker 5] (3:54:45 - 3:54:46) What are the other rooms? [Speaker 1] (3:54:46 - 3:54:48) Well, the Finance Committee reserve, [Speaker 2] (3:54:48 - 3:54:48) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:54:48 - 3:54:49) the bonuses and [Speaker 5] (3:54:49 - 3:54:49) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:54:49 - 3:54:52) any any Yeah. reduction of salaries. So [Speaker 5] (3:54:52 - 3:54:52) Talk about those. [Speaker 1] (3:54:57 - 3:55:05) So I would at least go with I think Katy said going down to ninety on the Finance Committee reserve. Uh I I'd be willing to go further, but [Speaker 7] (3:55:16 - 3:55:18) I know it's late folks, but people [Speaker 5] (3:55:18 - 3:55:19) Go on from what to what? [Speaker 7] (3:55:20 - 3:55:21) Go from what to what? Uh [Speaker 1] (3:55:21 - 3:55:22) Oh, one ten to ninety. [Speaker 5] (3:55:22 - 3:55:44) So I'm gonna be blunt and say I wanna do what is most likely to get us over this threshold and get get us on the same page. So if that means not making any adjustments to finance reserve then I'm okay with that. But that that is the goal, right? Let's not lose sight of what we're all sitting here trying to do, what everybody has sat here and watched us do. [Speaker 5] (3:55:45 - 3:55:51) Right. If that if we're still not all going to be united and on the same page, then what's the sense? Right. [Speaker 1] (3:55:51 - 3:55:55) So we're not there. We're at 109. If we've if we're doing the building commissioner and we're doing the planner, [Speaker 1] (3:55:55 - 3:55:57) we've only netted 109. [Speaker 7] (3:55:57 - 3:55:57) Well I guess [Speaker 1] (3:55:57 - 3:55:59) We need 20,000 more. [Speaker 7] (3:55:59 - 3:56:08) yeah I was going to say to be frank what you're trying to do is you're trying to make up the 130 that you took from the s that the income is suggesting taking from the school department's budget. [Speaker 7] (3:56:08 - 3:56:10) That's what that is what you [Speaker 7] (3:56:10 - 3:56:11) are trying to accomplish. [Speaker 5] (3:56:12 - 3:56:12) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:56:12 - 3:56:14) At a minimum for me, yeah. [Speaker 5] (3:56:14 - 3:56:15) At a minimum. [Speaker 5] (3:56:17 - 3:56:22) And at the same time we just reallocated resources to what we feel will [Speaker 1] (3:56:22 - 3:56:23) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (3:56:23 - 3:56:24) help hire [Speaker 7] (3:56:24 - 3:56:24) Increased. [Speaker 5] (3:56:24 - 3:56:29) qualified personnel for valuable positions at Town Hall. So it wasn't all just for this [Speaker 1] (3:56:29 - 3:56:29) Yeah? [Speaker 5] (3:56:29 - 3:56:30) exercise. [Speaker 7] (3:56:30 - 3:56:31) No, of But course. [Speaker 5] (3:56:31 - 3:56:34) this was a very needed exercise. [Speaker 4] (3:56:34 - 3:56:35) And and just [Speaker 4] (3:56:37 - 3:56:45) Moving forward, I think this would be most helpful to doing having having one day where we sit here, we have all of our various department heads come in [Speaker 2] (3:56:45 - 3:56:45) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:56:45 - 3:56:52) and they schedule, you know, twenty or thirty minutes with fifteen to fifteen to thirty minutes depending on the complexity. [Speaker 4] (3:56:52 - 3:56:57) And they sit here and they present their their budget and we can have this much earlier. [Speaker 4] (3:56:58 - 3:56:58) in the in that [Speaker 2] (3:56:58 - 3:57:00) Oh, no, I have something much more fun planned [Speaker 4] (3:57:00 - 3:57:00) in the [Speaker 2] (3:57:00 - 3:57:00) for next [Speaker 4] (3:57:00 - 3:57:01) process. [Speaker 2] (3:57:01 - 3:57:01) year. [Speaker 4] (3:57:01 - 3:57:01) Oh, [Speaker 7] (3:57:01 - 3:57:01) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:57:01 - 3:57:01) you have something [Speaker 7] (3:57:01 - 3:57:01) Yeah, [Speaker 5] (3:57:01 - 3:57:02) Alright. [Speaker 4] (3:57:02 - 3:57:02) much more [Speaker 7] (3:57:02 - 3:57:07) I would think it would be hard to, it would be hard to say today how future [Speaker 7] (3:57:07 - 3:57:14) Town Administrator, whoever that is, would like to see this process go. They may have their own input i about how budget process goes, [Speaker 5] (3:57:15 - 3:57:15) Mm. [Speaker 7] (3:57:15 - 3:57:17) but we can certainly explain [Speaker 5] (3:57:17 - 3:57:17) Mm. [Speaker 7] (3:57:17 - 3:57:18) to them the [Speaker 5] (3:57:18 - 3:57:18) Need for [Speaker 7] (3:57:18 - 3:57:18) pains [Speaker 5] (3:57:18 - 3:57:19) financial of s [Speaker 7] (3:57:19 - 3:57:21) this of the past, the need for the financial [Speaker 1] (3:57:21 - 3:57:21) Yes. [Speaker 7] (3:57:21 - 3:57:22) summit, [Speaker 7] (3:57:22 - 3:57:22) and [Speaker 1] (3:57:22 - 3:57:22) Yes. [Speaker 1] (3:57:22 - 3:57:22) Yes. [Speaker 9] (3:57:23 - 3:57:24) To avoid this [Speaker 7] (3:57:24 - 3:57:24) Yep. [Speaker 5] (3:57:24 - 3:57:25) going forward. Right. [Speaker 1] (3:57:25 - 3:57:25) Yes. [Speaker 7] (3:57:25 - 3:57:31) Okay, so again, one oh nine one fifty I think is where we're at unless my math is wrong. [Speaker 1] (3:57:31 - 3:57:32) Okay, so we need twenty thousand [Speaker 7] (3:57:32 - 3:57:32) Or [Speaker 1] (3:57:32 - 3:57:32) dollars [Speaker 7] (3:57:32 - 3:57:32) we need twenty [Speaker 1] (3:57:32 - 3:57:32) at least. [Speaker 7] (3:57:32 - 3:57:33) thousand dollars. [Speaker 1] (3:57:37 - 3:57:43) Do you want to go we we can talk about any of these three topics. You can rule them out in any order. [Speaker 1] (3:57:44 - 3:57:48) Do you want to talk about the bonuses and salaries first before the Finance Committee reserve? I I don't care. [Speaker 4] (3:57:51 - 3:57:53) What's your what's your suggestion or recommendation? [Speaker 1] (3:57:55 - 3:58:00) Well I mean I I think you know my thing about the salaries is probably the the toughest one in a way. [Speaker 7] (3:58:00 - 3:58:00) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:58:00 - 3:58:03) Um so you know [Speaker 1] (3:58:03 - 3:58:04) People don't have an appetite for that? [Speaker 4] (3:58:06 - 3:58:06) Well you're saying [Speaker 2] (3:58:06 - 3:58:06) write [Speaker 4] (3:58:06 - 3:58:06) salaries [Speaker 2] (3:58:06 - 3:58:07) up a [Speaker 4] (3:58:07 - 3:58:09) across the board in the town, I just don't see how [Speaker 4] (3:58:10 - 3:58:10) I don't [Speaker 2] (3:58:10 - 3:58:11) Over a [Speaker 4] (3:58:11 - 3:58:11) know how [Speaker 2] (3:58:11 - 3:58:11) hundred thousand. [Speaker 4] (3:58:11 - 3:58:11) that's possible. [Speaker 2] (3:58:11 - 3:58:12) But yes. [Speaker 4] (3:58:12 - 3:58:12) Hmm? [Speaker 2] (3:58:12 - 3:58:13) Yep. [Speaker 2] (3:58:13 - 3:58:18) Over a hundred thousand, that will get you another thirty thousand dollars. Uh twenty seven thousand dollars. [Speaker 4] (3:58:20 - 3:58:22) Mm-hmm. But how how would it be possible? [Speaker 2] (3:58:25 - 3:58:29) You'd have to go back and tell people that you know they have we need to have to renegotiate the contract. [Speaker 2] (3:58:31 - 3:58:32) And that's school land town. [Speaker 2] (3:58:33 - 3:58:33) Well, I mean I'm only speaking [Speaker 5] (3:58:33 - 3:58:35) No, we're only speaking for the [Speaker 4] (3:58:35 - 3:58:36) town. Oh, we're only speaking for the town. [Speaker 2] (3:58:36 - 3:58:37) Yeah twenty seven is just in the town. [Speaker 4] (3:58:37 - 3:58:38) Right. [Speaker 4] (3:58:40 - 3:58:40) So [Speaker 5] (3:58:40 - 3:58:40) Yes. [Speaker 4] (3:58:40 - 3:58:44) we'd be telling employees we have to renegotiate your contract. [Speaker 2] (3:58:44 - 3:58:44) Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:58:44 - 3:58:46) You're under contract, we have to renegotiate your contract. [Speaker 2] (3:58:46 - 3:58:46) Yep. [Speaker 6] (3:58:47 - 3:58:50) Those that make over a hundred thousand, which there's probably [Speaker 2] (3:58:50 - 3:58:51) Ten people. [Speaker 6] (3:58:51 - 3:58:51) ten, [Speaker 2] (3:58:52 - 3:58:52) Yep. [Speaker 6] (3:58:52 - 3:58:54) that are not part of collective bargaining. [Speaker 6] (3:58:54 - 3:58:57) Because there are some making over a hundred that are part of CBAs. [Speaker 2] (3:58:58 - 3:59:01) And Amy, what are we paying out in bonuses this year? [Speaker 7] (3:59:01 - 3:59:03) Twenty uh twenty thousand. [Speaker 8] (3:59:03 - 3:59:03) For [Speaker 7] (3:59:03 - 3:59:03) Oh, [Speaker 2] (3:59:04 - 3:59:05) Contractually. [Speaker 7] (3:59:05 - 3:59:07) Oh, the retention bonuses? [Speaker 2] (3:59:07 - 3:59:09) Retention or performance. Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:59:09 - 3:59:10) Well performance [Speaker 8] (3:59:10 - 3:59:10) Oh, that's good. [Speaker 4] (3:59:10 - 3:59:10) is up to you. [Speaker 7] (3:59:10 - 3:59:12) To the discretion of the town administrator, so [Speaker 2] (3:59:12 - 3:59:12) How much [Speaker 7] (3:59:12 - 3:59:13) that's [Speaker 4] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) is But [Speaker 2] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) it? [Speaker 4] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) how much [Speaker 7] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) his discretion. [Speaker 4] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) that one [Speaker 8] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) much, [Speaker 2] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) But [Speaker 4] (3:59:13 - 3:59:13) is up [Speaker 8] (3:59:13 - 3:59:14) how much [Speaker 4] (3:59:14 - 3:59:14) to you. [Speaker 8] (3:59:14 - 3:59:16) is budgeted, he's asking. [Speaker 2] (3:59:16 - 3:59:17) In twenty six. [Speaker 7] (3:59:17 - 3:59:18) In twenty six? [Speaker 8] (3:59:18 - 3:59:19) Yes. [Speaker 7] (3:59:19 - 3:59:21) Uh twenty three thousand five hundred. [Speaker 8] (3:59:21 - 3:59:22) Twenty thousand five hundred. [Speaker 4] (3:59:22 - 3:59:23) That is my [Speaker 8] (3:59:23 - 3:59:23) I [Speaker 4] (3:59:23 - 3:59:23) superintendent. [Speaker 8] (3:59:23 - 3:59:25) mean to me that is a much [Speaker 9] (3:59:26 - 3:59:26) Uh, oh yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:59:26 - 3:59:27) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (3:59:27 - 3:59:32) Easier sell than telling somebody their salary is going down by ten percent or whatever. I mean [Speaker 2] (3:59:33 - 3:59:33) Mm. [Speaker 2] (3:59:34 - 3:59:41) It's actually kind of convenient in a way. You can take $20,000 from Finance Committee Reserve, you can take $20,000 from the bonuses, or you can take $20,000 [Speaker 4] (3:59:41 - 3:59:41) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:59:41 - 3:59:42) from natural salaries. [Speaker 4] (3:59:42 - 3:59:43) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:59:43 - 3:59:44) Or you can take all three, or [Speaker 6] (3:59:44 - 3:59:47) And it's the same conversation of what is more valuable, [Speaker 6] (3:59:47 - 3:59:48) want versus need. [Speaker 6] (3:59:48 - 3:59:57) You know, do you do this, do you forget this, do you not do it, do you get to 109 and then say, okay, that leaves 30,000 and risk losing a whole body? [Speaker 6] (3:59:58 - 4:00:02) Because that's on the table, right? Do you do that? Do you try to take a little from a few? [Speaker 7] (4:00:03 - 4:00:25) I could say do you split the difference and you say take ten from income reserve and take ten from bonuses so that you still have some bonuses because I would say contract even though it's not guaranteed in your contract the verbiage doesn't guarantee it there are people who rely on that those funds and they work their tail off to try to attain those funds and to just pull them out [Speaker 7] (4:00:26 - 4:00:35) And not have any incentive for the hard work is difficult if that's your expectation and that could seriously hinder morale for those roles. [Speaker 7] (4:00:35 - 4:00:40) So, but is it insulting to give them half? [Speaker 2] (4:00:41 - 4:00:41) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (4:00:41 - 4:00:41) Well, [Speaker 6] (4:00:41 - 4:00:42) you know, [Speaker 6] (4:00:42 - 4:00:44) I mean, right now you're dealing with... [Speaker 6] (4:00:44 - 4:00:58) companies that are my own has a hiring freeze, right? So we could freeze positions. We could say right now we're not gonna back-fill any open position, right? That would be one in police, one in fire, however many at town hall, [Speaker 6] (4:00:58 - 4:00:59) and save that way, okay? [Speaker 2] (4:00:59 - 4:01:00) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (4:01:00 - 4:01:07) It you know my I work for Harvard. We're not getting raises, okay? We o we would get four to five percent, we're getting none. [Speaker 6] (4:01:08 - 4:01:11) So companies make, and these are corporations, [Speaker 6] (4:01:11 - 4:01:14) these are higher ed, whatever you want to call it, [Speaker 6] (4:01:14 - 4:01:22) but a bonus in a municipality town job is like a needle in a haystack. It doesn't exist. [Speaker 6] (4:01:23 - 4:01:32) So just because we had somebody that felt that they could write that into a contract doesn't mean that it's the right fiscal decision for this climate for us. [Speaker 6] (4:01:33 - 4:01:49) I just c I can't in good conscience uh I can't support it. But I understand if people don't feel the same way, you know, but um to me it is by far a nice to have, you know, uh or or even a never have and you just lucked out, right. Um [Speaker 2] (4:01:50 - 4:01:54) I have I have no appetite to touch the salaries. [Speaker 2] (4:01:54 - 4:01:57) Um so I'd be willing to [Speaker 2] (4:01:58 - 4:02:00) take a little from [Speaker 2] (4:02:00 - 4:02:02) the finance reserve, I'd be [Speaker 4] (4:02:02 - 4:02:02) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (4:02:02 - 4:02:11) compo more comfortable in taking a little bit from from bonuses and validating. And then I think we've you know [Speaker 2] (4:02:12 - 4:02:15) we've solved the the hundred and thirty problem. [Speaker 4] (4:02:15 - 4:02:15) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 10] (4:02:16 - 4:02:16) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (4:02:16 - 4:02:17) Um [Speaker 7] (4:02:17 - 4:02:19) But what is that, what is that combination, I guess we [Speaker 2] (4:02:19 - 4:02:19) really That's [Speaker 7] (4:02:19 - 4:02:20) have [Speaker 2] (4:02:20 - 4:02:20) where [Speaker 7] (4:02:20 - 4:02:20) to get down [Speaker 2] (4:02:20 - 4:02:20) that's [Speaker 7] (4:02:20 - 4:02:20) to the screen. [Speaker 2] (4:02:20 - 4:02:21) where I am. Ten [Speaker 10] (4:02:21 - 4:02:21) Ten and ten. [Speaker 2] (4:02:21 - 4:02:21) ten [Speaker 7] (4:02:21 - 4:02:21) Ten [Speaker 2] (4:02:21 - 4:02:21) ten [Speaker 7] (4:02:21 - 4:02:22) and ten. [Speaker 2] (4:02:22 - 4:02:22) yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:02:23 - 4:02:33) So I just for the record, I cannot touch a contract in good faith that we have negotiated, it just um I think it's a very bad signal. [Speaker 7] (4:02:34 - 4:02:35) So what's the suggestion then? [Speaker 4] (4:02:36 - 4:02:39) And I also can't touch the legal line and [Speaker 2] (4:02:40 - 4:02:40) Can't touch the legal [Speaker 7] (4:02:40 - 4:02:42) We already touched the legal line. [Speaker 4] (4:02:42 - 4:02:49) right, but I'm saying that I'm really not supporting the legal line. And um if we're at one oh nine [Speaker 7] (4:02:51 - 4:02:58) Well if we took legal out we would be at uh s set uh fifteen thousand dollars less than one oh nine. [Speaker 4] (4:02:58 - 4:03:00) Well why is it we can't just stop at one oh nine? [Speaker 7] (4:03:01 - 4:03:02) Well we're not at one oh nine if we take legal out. [Speaker 8] (4:03:03 - 4:03:03) If you're [Speaker 4] (4:03:03 - 4:03:03) Oh [Speaker 8] (4:03:03 - 4:03:04) at ninety we're forty nine [Speaker 4] (4:03:04 - 4:03:04) at, [Speaker 8] (4:03:04 - 4:03:04) I'd say. [Speaker 4] (4:03:04 - 4:03:04) it's [Speaker 7] (4:03:04 - 4:03:04) We [Speaker 4] (4:03:04 - 4:03:04) we're at, [Speaker 7] (4:03:04 - 4:03:05) can we can stop anywhere we want. [Speaker 4] (4:03:05 - 4:03:05) you're at ninety four. [Speaker 7] (4:03:05 - 4:03:07) We can we can stop anywhere we want. [Speaker 4] (4:03:07 - 4:03:07) Right. [Speaker 6] (4:03:07 - 4:03:08) Hmm? [Speaker 7] (4:03:09 - 4:03:10) To your point. [Speaker 7] (4:03:13 - 4:03:17) Seems like the majority then would like to keep to try to get to that [Speaker 4] (4:03:17 - 4:03:17) We [Speaker 7] (4:03:17 - 4:03:18) one make thirty [Speaker 4] (4:03:18 - 4:03:18) it going. [Speaker 7] (4:03:18 - 4:03:18) number. [Speaker 4] (4:03:19 - 4:03:26) And the reason we're getting to the one thirty number is so that we're not putting any pressure on the schools whatsoever. [Speaker 7] (4:03:29 - 4:03:30) You're asking me? [Speaker 4] (4:03:30 - 4:03:33) Yeah. I just want to be clear. That's why we're looking for the extra thirty? [Speaker 8] (4:03:33 - 4:03:34) Yes. [Speaker 4] (4:03:35 - 4:03:35) Okay. [Speaker 8] (4:03:35 - 4:03:35) Yes. [Speaker 4] (4:03:35 - 4:03:43) Alright. So so we're saying that the schools can't find thirty thousand out of thirty three million dollar budget. [Speaker 7] (4:03:44 - 4:03:46) Well we'd really be asking the schools to find twenty thousand at this point. [Speaker 4] (4:03:47 - 4:03:47) Okay. [Speaker 2] (4:03:48 - 4:03:50) Well, thirty five without the legal. Mm yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:03:51 - 4:03:51) But we're [Speaker 2] (4:03:51 - 4:03:52) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:03:52 - 4:03:52) the majority supported [Speaker 2] (4:03:52 - 4:03:52) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:03:52 - 4:03:53) the removal of [Speaker 2] (4:03:53 - 4:03:53) Yep. [Speaker 7] (4:03:53 - 4:04:02) the legal, so we're keep so i if we're looking at a hundred and nine thousand one fifty without touching bonuses and [Speaker 7] (4:04:04 - 4:04:05) Fincom reserve. [Speaker 7] (4:04:08 - 4:04:10) I guess what becomes uh uh [Speaker 7] (4:04:11 - 4:04:17) Crisis of conscience for me is how can we ask them to find $20,000 if we're giving out municipal bonuses. [Speaker 6] (4:04:17 - 4:04:17) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (4:04:18 - 4:04:18) I [Speaker 8] (4:04:18 - 4:04:18) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:04:18 - 4:04:20) understand your point to say [Speaker 6] (4:04:20 - 4:04:20) I [Speaker 7] (4:04:20 - 4:04:20) like [Speaker 6] (4:04:20 - 4:04:20) hear you. [Speaker 7] (4:04:20 - 4:04:21) we're contractually obligated, [Speaker 4] (4:04:21 - 4:04:22) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (4:04:22 - 4:04:24) but I don't view it the same way. [Speaker 7] (4:04:24 - 4:04:35) The verbiage in the contract says if appropriated, and at the time we had full intent of appropriating based on the financial forecast that we had available to us when we negotiated that contract. [Speaker 7] (4:04:35 - 4:04:37) So in good faith we made that promise. [Speaker 7] (4:04:40 - 4:04:42) The climate we're in now, we [Speaker 7] (4:04:44 - 4:04:47) have to reevaluate. We shouldn't be making that promise going forward, that's for darn sure. [Speaker 7] (4:04:48 - 4:04:49) But it's [Speaker 2] (4:04:52 - 4:04:53) These are difficult decisions. [Speaker 7] (4:04:53 - 4:04:54) a difficult decision, [Speaker 4] (4:04:54 - 4:04:54) It [Speaker 7] (4:04:54 - 4:04:54) yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:04:54 - 4:04:54) is. It is. [Speaker 2] (4:04:54 - 4:04:55) Just to confirm, [Speaker 2] (4:04:55 - 4:04:55) Amy, [Speaker 2] (4:04:55 - 4:05:00) did you, are you tracking with what the 109 or so? [Speaker 8] (4:05:00 - 4:05:00) Yes. [Speaker 2] (4:05:00 - 4:05:00) Okay. [Speaker 4] (4:05:02 - 4:05:03) What do you think, Gina? [Speaker 11] (4:05:05 - 4:05:06) Similar to what David said, [Speaker 11] (4:05:07 - 4:05:08) I would not touch the salaries. [Speaker 11] (4:05:09 - 4:05:15) and then potentially bonuses then, is that? Oh, I'd flip that. [Speaker 6] (4:05:16 - 4:05:17) You'd be you'd be finance reserve. [Speaker 11] (4:05:18 - 4:05:18) Bonuses. No. [Speaker 6] (4:05:18 - 4:05:19) No. [Speaker 11] (4:05:19 - 4:05:28) I would try to take the majority out of the bonuses, I guess. It's gonna impact me too, so. No one's gonna get mad at me if I'm doing the same thing to myself, right? [Speaker 6] (4:05:28 - 4:05:28) Well, Right. [Speaker 11] (4:05:28 - 4:05:30) everybody can get mad at me, I'm used to that now. [Speaker 6] (4:05:34 - 4:05:35) You know, it it [Speaker 11] (4:05:38 - 4:05:38) But I worry about [Speaker 6] (4:05:38 - 4:05:38) Th this [Speaker 11] (4:05:38 - 4:05:39) my little brothers. [Speaker 6] (4:05:39 - 4:05:42) board voted four to zero to fully fund the schools at [Speaker 2] (4:05:42 - 4:05:42) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (4:05:42 - 4:05:48) the end of the day. And this exercise we just did should have been done three months ago, [Speaker 6] (4:05:48 - 4:05:49) three years ago, [Speaker 6] (4:05:49 - 4:05:55) every single year, because as we sit here and we, you know, nickel and dime every line item, [Speaker 6] (4:05:55 - 4:05:58) we we proved why we did this exercise, [Speaker 6] (4:05:58 - 4:06:00) because things are that arbitrary. [Speaker 6] (4:06:00 - 4:06:07) And maybe we did have padding in extra lines that we shouldn't have. And how can we in good faith. [Speaker 6] (4:06:07 - 4:06:23) have padding and extra lines and then look at these people and say I can't help you anymore figure it out how do you do that when we have never done that here we just did so now I at least can feel like we really scrubbed this to the extent we could [Speaker 6] (4:06:24 - 4:06:33) but I mean I don't I don't know I don't know what else to say other than four of us clearly are trying to do what we think is the right thing I don't know [Speaker 7] (4:06:34 - 4:06:39) So do you think it's worth coming back on Monday and seeing if [Speaker 7] (4:06:41 - 4:06:42) Well the school committee doesn't meet though. [Speaker 2] (4:06:43 - 4:06:44) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:06:44 - 4:06:45) You are meeting? [Speaker 11] (4:06:45 - 4:06:45) Monday and Tuesday. [Speaker 7] (4:06:46 - 4:06:47) Monday and Tuesday. Well not before [Speaker 11] (4:06:47 - 4:06:47) Wednesday. [Speaker 7] (4:06:47 - 4:06:50) yeah, but not before we meet. [Speaker 4] (4:06:50 - 4:06:52) So what are we talking about here, a gap of thirty [Speaker 7] (4:06:52 - 4:06:52) Twenty thousand. [Speaker 4] (4:06:52 - 4:06:53) thousand? [Speaker 7] (4:06:53 - 4:06:53) Twenty thousand. [Speaker 4] (4:06:53 - 4:06:54) Twenty thousand. [Speaker 4] (4:06:54 - 4:06:55) Oops. [Speaker 7] (4:06:56 - 4:06:56) Twenty [Speaker 2] (4:06:56 - 4:06:57) I mean, I guess can [Speaker 7] (4:06:57 - 4:06:57) Twenty [Speaker 2] (4:06:57 - 4:06:58) we can [Speaker 7] (4:06:58 - 4:06:58) thousand. [Speaker 2] (4:06:58 - 4:06:59) we ask the school committee? [Speaker 4] (4:06:59 - 4:07:00) Can you find twenty thousand? [Speaker 7] (4:07:02 - 4:07:04) I mean, we're putting them on the spot of course, Oh, they didn't [Speaker 4] (4:07:04 - 4:07:04) you're right. [Speaker 7] (4:07:04 - 4:07:04) have to [Speaker 4] (4:07:04 - 4:07:04) You can't [Speaker 7] (4:07:04 - 4:07:04) get here. [Speaker 4] (4:07:04 - 4:07:05) actually we [Speaker 7] (4:07:05 - 4:07:05) I [Speaker 4] (4:07:05 - 4:07:05) can't [Speaker 7] (4:07:05 - 4:07:05) mean actually it [Speaker 4] (4:07:05 - 4:07:05) even ask that. [Speaker 7] (4:07:05 - 4:07:05) I don't [Speaker 4] (4:07:05 - 4:07:05) We can't [Speaker 7] (4:07:05 - 4:07:06) even [Speaker 4] (4:07:06 - 4:07:06) even [Speaker 2] (4:07:06 - 4:07:06) Right, [Speaker 4] (4:07:06 - 4:07:06) ask that. [Speaker 2] (4:07:06 - 4:07:07) you guys you guys Yeah, gotta your quorum. [Speaker 7] (4:07:07 - 4:07:07) not here [Speaker 4] (4:07:07 - 4:07:07) You can't [Speaker 7] (4:07:07 - 4:07:07) at a [Speaker 4] (4:07:07 - 4:07:08) ask [Speaker 7] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) quorum, [Speaker 4] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) that. [Speaker 2] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) Yeah. [Speaker 12] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) Okay. [Speaker 7] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) you can't [Speaker 4] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) You [Speaker 7] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) even [Speaker 4] (4:07:08 - 4:07:08) can't [Speaker 7] (4:07:08 - 4:07:09) do it. [Speaker 2] (4:07:09 - 4:07:09) do a quorum. [Speaker 4] (4:07:09 - 4:07:10) talk. You can't even talk. [Speaker 2] (4:07:10 - 4:07:10) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:07:10 - 4:07:11) Yeah, you You can't even be discussing. [Speaker 4] (4:07:11 - 4:07:11) can't talk. [Speaker 7] (4:07:11 - 4:07:12) So yeah, okay. [Speaker 2] (4:07:12 - 4:07:12) Okay. [Speaker 2] (4:07:12 - 4:07:12) Okay. [Speaker 2] (4:07:13 - 4:07:13) Okay. [Speaker 4] (4:07:13 - 4:07:14) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (4:07:14 - 4:07:15) So [Speaker 2] (4:07:19 - 4:07:21) Does one of one one of you want to leave so they're too [Speaker 4] (4:07:21 - 4:07:21) Or [Speaker 2] (4:07:21 - 4:07:22) can you no just go. [Speaker 8] (4:07:22 - 4:07:25) Right. Well there are what three of you wanna leave? So one of you can say something? [Speaker 2] (4:07:25 - 4:07:25) Two. [Speaker 8] (4:07:25 - 4:07:26) I dunno. [Speaker 7] (4:07:26 - 4:07:26) Um [Speaker 4] (4:07:26 - 4:07:27) You know. [Speaker 4] (4:07:29 - 4:07:29) Did [Speaker 7] (4:07:29 - 4:07:29) Alright, [Speaker 4] (4:07:29 - 4:07:29) we come in [Speaker 7] (4:07:29 - 4:07:30) so we just have [Speaker 8] (4:07:30 - 4:07:37) here? I think the only afternoon answer is to Ms. Fletcher's question. We've done this six times. [Speaker 4] (4:07:37 - 4:07:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (4:07:38 - 4:07:43) Alright, we started in those uh, I can just uh, oh. [Speaker 8] (4:07:48 - 4:07:49) Jim, I'm client pastor, [Speaker 8] (4:07:49 - 4:07:55) chair of the school committee. Um just make everybody feel better, we've done what you just did. So [Speaker 8] (4:07:55 - 4:07:59) Six different times. We started in November with a very high [Speaker 1] (4:08:03 - 4:08:07) And by the time we got to the tri-chair meeting in February, [Speaker 1] (4:08:07 - 4:08:10) we did it five or six times. [Speaker 1] (4:08:10 - 4:08:15) So that's why I could say with very clear conscience we had nowhere to go. [Speaker 1] (4:08:17 - 4:08:18) You know, again, [Speaker 1] (4:08:18 - 4:08:21) we can't really discuss much, but I do want to let the board know just to make it, [Speaker 1] (4:08:22 - 4:08:24) you know, I understand this is what you've done tonight. [Speaker 1] (4:08:25 - 4:08:28) I agree with Ms. Leonard should have been done months ago, [Speaker 1] (4:08:28 - 4:08:29) but that's okay. [Speaker 1] (4:08:29 - 4:08:30) Everybody learns, [Speaker 1] (4:08:30 - 4:08:30) okay, [Speaker 1] (4:08:30 - 4:08:32) and you guys will do that going forward. [Speaker 1] (4:08:32 - 4:08:34) But I want to make you feel better. [Speaker 1] (4:08:34 - 4:08:38) We've done this several, several times already. [Speaker 1] (4:08:38 - 4:08:44) So that's why, again, we can say every line item has absolutely been whittled to the point of. [Speaker 1] (4:08:44 - 4:09:12) of you know like one of the things we're talking about if we go any lower we're just going to come back that that's all i'm saying i want you to feel better that we've done this numerous numerous times and what you've done tonight yeah it's the last minute i get it and it's hard right next year is going to be much easier on you guys when you do it earlier because you gain an understanding granted you know the health insurance thing that happens right that just it's like if a special ed [Speaker 1] (4:09:13 - 4:09:30) family moves in town and we have a student that needs the services that we didn't budget for that that happens. But when you guys go through this again next year when we have a financial summit and you know you're sitting in February and you're going through some of these numbers it gets much easier. It really does. [Speaker 1] (4:09:30 - 4:09:31) That's all I want to say. Thank you. [Speaker 2] (4:09:32 - 4:09:33) Thank you. Um [Speaker 4] (4:09:33 - 4:09:34) There was one thing. [Speaker 2] (4:09:34 - 4:09:34) please, Gina. [Speaker 4] (4:09:34 - 4:09:38) And this isn't to offend anybody, but this isn't the first time, in fairness to Amy, [Speaker 4] (4:09:38 - 4:09:40) we put a lot of hard work into it. [Speaker 4] (4:09:40 - 4:09:45) do it, and Right. put it put a lot of time with me. This isn't the first time we scrub the budget. This is [Speaker 4] (4:09:47 - 4:09:49) multiple times, so I just wanna [Speaker 5] (4:09:49 - 4:09:51) This is now scenario seven, [Speaker 4] (4:09:51 - 4:09:51) Right. [Speaker 5] (4:09:51 - 4:09:52) two of the budget. [Speaker 4] (4:09:52 - 4:09:52) Okay. [Speaker 6] (4:09:53 - 4:09:53) Yeah, [Speaker 7] (4:09:53 - 4:09:53) But it's [Speaker 6] (4:09:53 - 4:09:53) but that's [Speaker 7] (4:09:53 - 4:09:55) not it's not on you guys. It's really not, because [Speaker 4] (4:09:55 - 4:09:55) I [Speaker 7] (4:09:55 - 4:09:55) you. [Speaker 4] (4:09:55 - 4:09:55) I just [Speaker 6] (4:09:55 - 4:09:56) dropped on the line. [Speaker 4] (4:09:56 - 4:09:56) didn't finish. [Speaker 7] (4:09:56 - 4:09:57) And we I appreciate it. [Speaker 6] (4:09:57 - 4:09:58) I [Speaker 7] (4:09:58 - 4:09:59) Right. [Speaker 6] (4:09:59 - 4:10:00) I know you got some more for the [Speaker 4] (4:10:00 - 4:10:00) Yep. [Speaker 6] (4:10:00 - 4:10:03) day, but it's on the select board. Like I said, it's on [Speaker 7] (4:10:03 - 4:10:04) Right. [Speaker 6] (4:10:04 - 4:10:06) It's on a school committee thing. [Speaker 7] (4:10:06 - 4:10:06) Right. [Speaker 6] (4:10:06 - 4:10:07) It's on the school committee's observation. [Speaker 1] (4:10:08 - 4:10:11) Dollar for dollar, line by line. I know you guys have gone through it a ton. [Speaker 1] (4:10:11 - 4:10:12) I just, [Speaker 1] (4:10:12 - 4:10:16) I know that just from hearing. But it really is on the elected boards [Speaker 7] (4:10:16 - 4:10:16) Mm [Speaker 1] (4:10:16 - 4:10:16) to [Speaker 7] (4:10:16 - 4:10:16) -hmm. [Speaker 1] (4:10:16 - 4:10:16) go through it. [Speaker 4] (4:10:17 - 4:10:17) I appreciate that. [Speaker 4] (4:10:18 - 4:10:18) So. [Speaker 5] (4:10:18 - 4:10:20) Okay, so Doug, go ahead. [Speaker 7] (4:10:20 - 4:10:26) Can I just ask one question? So do you have have you already taken care of your contract with your incoming superintendent? [Speaker 1] (4:10:28 - 4:10:28) If [Speaker 7] (4:10:28 - 4:10:29) That's [Speaker 1] (4:10:29 - 4:10:29) you're asking, [Speaker 7] (4:10:29 - 4:10:29) signed yet? [Speaker 1] (4:10:29 - 4:10:32) if you're asking me if it's signed and finalized, the answer is no. [Speaker 8] (4:10:34 - 4:10:35) No, you said sorry, right? [Speaker 7] (4:10:35 - 4:10:35) You [Speaker 1] (4:10:35 - 4:10:36) I'm [Speaker 8] (4:10:36 - 4:10:37) said sorry. no, you said correct? [Speaker 1] (4:10:37 - 4:10:39) Yeah, the answer is no, it is not signed. [Speaker 8] (4:10:39 - 4:10:39) Okay. [Speaker 4] (4:10:41 - 4:10:42) So you here's my suggestion I I [Speaker 4] (4:10:43 - 4:10:44) We're at the one yard line. [Speaker 4] (4:10:44 - 4:10:45) Like, [Speaker 5] (4:10:45 - 4:10:45) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:10:45 - 4:11:07) let's just finish it. Um, it's just get it done. Let's let's do the either ten and ten or I would vote for i somewhat um, you know, back in what Mary Ellen's saying. Uh i i we don't but it's different than what Gino's saying. We don't want to touch the bonuses because we already agreed to them. Then that's fine. Either way, let's make a decision. [Speaker 7] (4:11:08 - 4:11:11) At this point, Amy, do we have the option to take the difference from free cash? [Speaker 7] (4:11:12 - 4:11:14) or from the excess levy capacity? [Speaker 5] (4:11:14 - 4:11:15) Yes. [Speaker 8] (4:11:15 - 4:11:17) Yes, we have we I mean [Speaker 7] (4:11:17 - 4:11:19) So what kind of difference does that make on what we're already taking? [Speaker 5] (4:11:21 - 4:11:22) Or on free cash or the levy? [Speaker 4] (4:11:23 - 4:11:23) Levy. [Speaker 7] (4:11:24 - 4:11:25) Whichever is a better scenario. [Speaker 8] (4:11:25 - 4:11:27) And there are thirty thousand dollars on the levy [Speaker 4] (4:11:27 - 4:11:28) Right, just read [Speaker 5] (4:11:28 - 4:11:34) Twenty thousand on the levy is an additional three dollars and two cents to your median taxpayer. [Speaker 7] (4:11:35 - 4:11:37) I mean at this point we're talking about three dollars a household. [Speaker 4] (4:11:38 - 4:11:40) On top of [Speaker 7] (4:11:40 - 4:11:41) On top of what we've already [Speaker 5] (4:11:41 - 4:11:41) So [Speaker 4] (4:11:41 - 4:11:41) What [Speaker 7] (4:11:41 - 4:11:41) spent. [Speaker 8] (4:11:41 - 4:11:41) okay, [Speaker 5] (4:11:41 - 4:11:41) we [Speaker 4] (4:11:41 - 4:11:42) we've [Speaker 8] (4:11:42 - 4:11:42) we didn't [Speaker 5] (4:11:42 - 4:11:42) So [Speaker 4] (4:11:42 - 4:11:42) spent. [Speaker 8] (4:11:42 - 4:11:42) find any [Speaker 5] (4:11:42 - 4:11:43) it would [Speaker 8] (4:11:43 - 4:11:43) savings [Speaker 5] (4:11:43 - 4:11:43) it would bring [Speaker 8] (4:11:43 - 4:11:43) from [Speaker 5] (4:11:43 - 4:11:43) it it [Speaker 8] (4:11:43 - 4:11:44) seven. [Speaker 5] (4:11:44 - 4:11:52) would bring it from seven hundred thirty two dollars and ninety three cents to seven hundred thirty five dollars and ninety five cents. [Speaker 7] (4:11:53 - 4:12:05) Which, let's be clear, that seven hundred and thirty two dollars is not the fault of the difference between the school and the town budget, right? So let's be crystal clear about that, because that is a common misconception out there, [Speaker 4] (4:12:05 - 4:12:06) What do you that mean? [Speaker 7] (4:12:06 - 4:12:20) seven hundred and thirty two dollars are going up because of the school department. That's not the case. There it was going up regardless. Is there a difference that it because of the shortfall we have? Potentially. Maybe it's a hundred dollars, but it's not seven hundred dollars, right? [Speaker 4] (4:12:21 - 4:12:24) You mean the whole $700,000 isn't due to the ext [Speaker 7] (4:12:24 - 4:12:24) It [Speaker 4] (4:12:24 - 4:12:24) extra [Speaker 7] (4:12:24 - 4:12:24) it's [Speaker 4] (4:12:24 - 4:12:25) $600 [Speaker 7] (4:12:25 - 4:12:25) not right [Speaker 4] (4:12:25 - 4:12:25) ,000? [Speaker 8] (4:12:25 - 4:12:25) Right. [Speaker 7] (4:12:25 - 4:12:25) correct [Speaker 4] (4:12:25 - 4:12:26) No. [Speaker 7] (4:12:26 - 4:12:26) right [Speaker 4] (4:12:26 - 4:12:26) Right, yeah. [Speaker 8] (4:12:27 - 4:12:32) Okay. So then the option is we don't find it, [Speaker 7] (4:12:32 - 4:12:34) go to one oh we're at 109 [Speaker 8] (4:12:34 - 4:12:34) we're at 109, [Speaker 7] (4:12:34 - 4:12:35) we're just [Speaker 8] (4:12:35 - 4:12:35) it is [Speaker 7] (4:12:35 - 4:12:36) the rest [Speaker 8] (4:12:36 - 4:12:36) what it is, [Speaker 7] (4:12:36 - 4:12:37) is in the tax levy [Speaker 8] (4:12:37 - 4:12:41) and the rest is in the tax levy, or fincom goes lower, [Speaker 8] (4:12:41 - 4:12:43) bonuses get touched. [Speaker 8] (4:12:44 - 4:12:46) That's the straw poll here. [Speaker 8] (4:12:47 - 4:12:50) I know Danielle has made it very clear about bonuses. [Speaker 5] (4:12:50 - 4:12:51) Sorry. [Speaker 6] (4:12:51 - 4:12:51) Right. [Speaker 8] (4:12:52 - 4:12:53) You don't have to be sorry. [Speaker 5] (4:12:53 - 4:12:55) To Miss Leonard's point, [Speaker 5] (4:12:56 - 4:12:58) 'cause it's 10.43, [Speaker 5] (4:12:58 - 4:13:02) um because the bonuses are not recurring, [Speaker 5] (4:13:03 - 4:13:06) you could fund them through free cash [Speaker 5] (4:13:07 - 4:13:09) and it would not cause any structural issues. [Speaker 7] (4:13:11 - 4:13:11) True. [Speaker 4] (4:13:14 - 4:13:15) Eric? [Speaker 8] (4:13:17 - 4:13:17) Interesting. [Speaker 4] (4:13:18 - 4:13:18) Yeah, it's just [Speaker 8] (4:13:18 - 4:13:19) But I th [Speaker 4] (4:13:19 - 4:13:19) From bank account [Speaker 7] (4:13:19 - 4:13:20) Just tap [Speaker 4] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20) Robin [Speaker 7] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20) it. [Speaker 8] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20) Yeah, [Speaker 4] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20) in. [Speaker 8] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20) yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20) Just tap it. [Speaker 5] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:13:20 - 4:13:21) You're just You're tapping [Speaker 8] (4:13:21 - 4:13:21) Just [Speaker 7] (4:13:21 - 4:13:21) it in. [Speaker 8] (4:13:21 - 4:13:22) for Robin Peters [Speaker 5] (4:13:22 - 4:13:22) You can [Speaker 8] (4:13:22 - 4:13:22) to [Speaker 7] (4:13:22 - 4:13:22) better [Speaker 8] (4:13:22 - 4:13:22) make a phone [Speaker 7] (4:13:22 - 4:13:22) just [Speaker 8] (4:13:22 - 4:13:22) call. [Speaker 7] (4:13:22 - 4:13:23) to put it on the [Speaker 5] (4:13:23 - 4:13:23) Do you have any [Speaker 8] (4:13:23 - 4:13:24) But [Speaker 5] (4:13:24 - 4:13:24) levy? [Speaker 7] (4:13:24 - 4:13:24) put it [Speaker 4] (4:13:24 - 4:13:24) Port of [Speaker 7] (4:13:24 - 4:13:24) on [Speaker 4] (4:13:24 - 4:13:24) Millenby [Speaker 7] (4:13:24 - 4:13:25) Put it on the levies. [Speaker 6] (4:13:26 - 4:13:38) I mean, yeah, the levy is at this point it's small, like three dollars more the alternative is funding the free cash, but we don't have excess free cash above our [Speaker 8] (4:13:38 - 4:13:39) Right. [Speaker 7] (4:13:39 - 4:13:42) Well, if there's excess free cash as we close out as we certify the year. [Speaker 7] (4:13:43 - 4:13:45) We could also put that towards the levy. [Speaker 8] (4:13:45 - 4:13:46) We [Speaker 6] (4:13:46 - 4:13:46) No. [Speaker 8] (4:13:46 - 4:13:46) don't have to make that [Speaker 7] (4:13:46 - 4:13:46) We [Speaker 8] (4:13:46 - 4:13:46) decision [Speaker 7] (4:13:46 - 4:13:47) don't have to make that decision until [Speaker 9] (4:13:47 - 4:13:55) I november. mean, the other consequence of tonight is as we budget with a sharper and sharper pencil, [Speaker 9] (4:13:56 - 4:13:57) there'll be less and less flexibility. [Speaker 8] (4:13:57 - 4:13:58) Less and less cash, [Speaker 6] (4:13:58 - 4:13:58) But it's [Speaker 8] (4:13:58 - 4:13:58) of [Speaker 6] (4:13:58 - 4:13:58) a pretty [Speaker 8] (4:13:58 - 4:13:58) course. [Speaker 9] (4:13:58 - 4:13:58) And [Speaker 6] (4:13:58 - 4:13:59) dangerous [Speaker 9] (4:13:59 - 4:14:02) this year we're assisting the school with $600,000 of free cash, [Speaker 9] (4:14:02 - 4:14:05) which, you know, with this budget, [Speaker 9] (4:14:05 - 4:14:06) you know, I think [Speaker 9] (4:14:07 - 4:14:16) The tailings for this year are a lot less than prior years, and it's just going to get tighter and less and less free cash, and ability to fund reserves is going to go away. [Speaker 9] (4:14:17 - 4:14:19) So, that's [Speaker 8] (4:14:19 - 4:14:19) I mean, [Speaker 9] (4:14:19 - 4:14:20) the flip side, right? [Speaker 9] (4:14:20 - 4:14:20) When [Speaker 8] (4:14:20 - 4:14:21) yeah, [Speaker 9] (4:14:21 - 4:14:21) you deliver [Speaker 8] (4:14:21 - 4:14:23) philosophically I get that, [Speaker 8] (4:14:23 - 4:14:27) but then what's the alternative? We've had the budget so that we have free cash. [Speaker 9] (4:14:28 - 4:14:30) No, no, it's not, but it's [Speaker 8] (4:14:30 - 4:14:30) Okay. [Speaker 9] (4:14:30 - 4:14:31) I mean it's just [Speaker 5] (4:14:31 - 4:14:31) It's just [Speaker 9] (4:14:31 - 4:14:31) a [Speaker 5] (4:14:31 - 4:14:31) reality. [Speaker 9] (4:14:31 - 4:14:31) it's [Speaker 9] (4:14:31 - 4:14:31) just [Speaker 8] (4:14:32 - 4:14:32) Yeah, it's [Speaker 9] (4:14:32 - 4:14:35) just there's two signs to the coin, right? And you have to have to [Speaker 4] (4:14:35 - 4:14:41) And when you say we're funding the schools with six hundred thousand dollars in free cash, you mean projected in twenty six because of the reserves? [Speaker 9] (4:14:42 - 4:14:42) Oh we were because [Speaker 8] (4:14:42 - 4:14:42) Yeah, the other [Speaker 9] (4:14:42 - 4:14:42) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:14:42 - 4:14:42) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (4:14:42 - 4:14:43) two articles. [Speaker 9] (4:14:43 - 4:14:43) Yes. [Speaker 5] (4:14:43 - 4:14:43) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (4:14:43 - 4:14:43) Yes. [Speaker 4] (4:14:43 - 4:14:44) Just to be clear. [Speaker 8] (4:14:44 - 4:14:45) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (4:14:45 - 4:14:47) I just don't know what other alternative we have. [Speaker 5] (4:14:50 - 4:14:53) Yeah, and what is the other option. [Speaker 7] (4:14:53 - 4:14:53) You get it? [Speaker 9] (4:14:53 - 4:14:56) I mean and what the the other thing right [Speaker 8] (4:14:58 - 4:15:00) You could say that out loud. [Speaker 8] (4:15:00 - 4:15:00) That's no problem. [Speaker 9] (4:15:00 - 4:15:01) Well, [Speaker 8] (4:15:01 - 4:15:01) So [Speaker 9] (4:15:01 - 4:15:10) the other alternative is, you know, we currently have a certain percentage of sharing between employees and employers on the health insurance plan. And the health insurance is what causes, [Speaker 9] (4:15:10 - 4:15:17) you know, shortfall. And if under the CBAs, of which there's four being negotiated, [Speaker 9] (4:15:17 - 4:15:20) the employees agree to cover a higher percentage, [Speaker 9] (4:15:20 - 4:15:25) you would get, you know, get that money on I think the 730. [Speaker 9] (4:15:26 - 4:15:30) Four people covered on the health insurance, so that's like 20 bucks a month per person. [Speaker 9] (4:15:32 - 4:15:32) So you [Speaker 7] (4:15:32 - 4:15:33) So [Speaker 9] (4:15:33 - 4:15:33) know, [Speaker 7] (4:15:33 - 4:15:34) you're suggesting increasing [Speaker 9] (4:15:34 - 4:15:34) no, [Speaker 7] (4:15:34 - 4:15:35) the employer [Speaker 9] (4:15:35 - 4:15:35) I'm just, I'm [Speaker 7] (4:15:35 - 4:15:35) or the [Speaker 8] (4:15:35 - 4:15:36) It's [Speaker 7] (4:15:36 - 4:15:36) employee [Speaker 8] (4:15:36 - 4:15:36) just one of [Speaker 7] (4:15:36 - 4:15:37) contributions? [Speaker 8] (4:15:37 - 4:15:37) the mechanisms. [Speaker 9] (4:15:37 - 4:15:38) if that's, [Speaker 7] (4:15:38 - 4:15:38) Yeah, [Speaker 9] (4:15:38 - 4:15:38) yeah, [Speaker 7] (4:15:38 - 4:15:38) absolutely. [Speaker 9] (4:15:38 - 4:15:40) there's other, there's other options out there. [Speaker 7] (4:15:40 - 4:15:41) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (4:15:41 - 4:15:41) Okay. [Speaker 9] (4:15:41 - 4:15:41) So, [Speaker 8] (4:15:41 - 4:15:42) So we [Speaker 9] (4:15:42 - 4:15:42) but [Speaker 8] (4:15:42 - 4:15:42) are [Speaker 9] (4:15:42 - 4:15:42) that [Speaker 8] (4:15:42 - 4:15:42) not, [Speaker 9] (4:15:42 - 4:15:45) would be a negotiation and that probably wouldn't happen before Monday. [Speaker 7] (4:15:45 - 4:15:46) Right, [Speaker 7] (4:15:46 - 4:15:46) right. [Speaker 8] (4:15:46 - 4:15:46) Okay. [Speaker 8] (4:15:47 - 4:15:56) So it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, that we are going to stop at 109.150 and we are. [Speaker 8] (4:15:59 - 4:16:05) Then still need to take a vote on action for Article 4. [Speaker 4] (4:16:07 - 4:16:25) So I'd make a motion to support the Finance Committee's recommendation with their last vote with all of the adjustments we just made [Speaker 7] (4:16:25 - 4:16:25) To [Speaker 4] (4:16:25 - 4:16:26) here. [Speaker 7] (4:16:26 - 4:16:26) supplement it? [Speaker 4] (4:16:27 - 4:16:28) Tonight. [Speaker 6] (4:16:28 - 4:16:32) With the balance to be funded by Levy. [Speaker 8] (4:16:32 - 4:16:35) We don't have to say how the balance is being funded yet, correct? [Speaker 5] (4:16:36 - 4:16:37) Correct, the revenues. [Speaker 8] (4:16:37 - 4:16:37) Right. [Speaker 8] (4:16:38 - 4:16:40) We don't have to say how we're funding it. [Speaker 8] (4:16:40 - 4:16:43) We can be upfront and honest about it when we talk about it at town meeting, [Speaker 8] (4:16:44 - 4:16:46) that we think this is how we might fund it, [Speaker 8] (4:16:46 - 4:16:50) but that's not a today decision or even Monday decision. [Speaker 5] (4:16:50 - 4:16:53) And Doug, I believe your motion would want to include that you want to. [Speaker 5] (4:16:55 - 4:16:59) increase the school budget by the net of the [Speaker 8] (4:16:59 - 4:16:59) Yes. [Speaker 5] (4:16:59 - 4:17:00) change last night. [Speaker 4] (4:17:01 - 4:17:03) I don't know, Daniel. Do you think we wanna do that? [Speaker 6] (4:17:04 - 4:17:04) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (4:17:04 - 4:17:04) Yes. [Speaker 6] (4:17:05 - 4:17:05) Yes, we [Speaker 7] (4:17:05 - 4:17:05) I think [Speaker 6] (4:17:05 - 4:17:06) wanna do that. [Speaker 7] (4:17:06 - 4:17:06) so. [Speaker 6] (4:17:06 - 4:17:06) Yes. [Speaker 8] (4:17:07 - 4:17:07) Okay. [Speaker 7] (4:17:07 - 4:17:08) I think so. [Speaker 8] (4:17:08 - 4:17:11) So what's the motion then for Article 4? The motion is [Speaker 4] (4:17:13 - 4:17:16) to take the Finance Committee's most recent vote. [Speaker 8] (4:17:19 - 4:17:24) It will be favorable action for the Finance Committee's most recently approved budget plus [Speaker 4] (4:17:24 - 4:17:25) Plus plus [Speaker 6] (4:17:25 - 4:17:26) 130,000 dollars. [Speaker 4] (4:17:26 - 4:17:28) plus uh plus but [Speaker 7] (4:17:28 - 4:17:29) To offset to [Speaker 4] (4:17:29 - 4:17:29) adding [Speaker 7] (4:17:29 - 4:17:30) offset [Speaker 4] (4:17:30 - 4:17:36) a hundred thirty thousand dollars restoring 130 thousand dollars to the school committee budget [Speaker 8] (4:17:37 - 4:17:39) and removing a hundred and nine thousand. [Speaker 7] (4:17:39 - 4:17:43) I don't think you're restoring, I think you're offsetting because we [Speaker 7] (4:17:45 - 4:17:47) haven't taken any, nothing's been taken from the budget. [Speaker 4] (4:17:49 - 4:17:50) Well, but we're starting [Speaker 5] (4:17:50 - 4:17:50) And it has. [Speaker 4] (4:17:50 - 4:17:50) I'm [Speaker 8] (4:17:50 - 4:17:51) starting Well, we're with starting with [Speaker 4] (4:17:51 - 4:17:51) what they [Speaker 8] (4:17:51 - 4:17:51) income's [Speaker 4] (4:17:51 - 4:17:51) did. [Speaker 8] (4:17:51 - 4:17:52) budget. [Speaker 5] (4:17:52 - 4:17:52) Right, that's coming. [Speaker 7] (4:17:52 - 4:17:53) Oh, I got okay. [Speaker 8] (4:17:53 - 4:17:53) As of, [Speaker 7] (4:17:53 - 4:17:53) Yeah, yeah, yeah, [Speaker 8] (4:17:53 - 4:17:54) yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:17:54 - 4:17:54) yeah, yeah, [Speaker 4] (4:17:54 - 4:17:54) Right. [Speaker 7] (4:17:54 - 4:17:54) yeah, [Speaker 4] (4:17:54 - 4:17:54) yeah. [Speaker 7] (4:17:54 - 4:17:54) yeah [Speaker 5] (4:17:54 - 4:17:54) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (4:17:53 - 4:17:54) yeah, yeah, yeah. You can have, yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:17:54 - 4:17:56) So you're starting with fincom's as amended budget. [Speaker 5] (4:17:56 - 4:17:57) Uh-huh. [Speaker 1] (4:17:57 - 4:18:01) Right. And restoring a hundred and thirty thousand dollars to the school committee budget. [Speaker 2] (4:18:01 - 4:18:03) To be comprised of. [Speaker 1] (4:18:03 - 4:18:16) To be comp oh nice nice a man to be comprised of um the cuts that we made to the town budget here tonight totaling approximately a hundred nine thousand dollars with the balance to be [Speaker 1] (4:18:16 - 4:18:17) Field [Speaker 1] (4:18:18 - 4:18:18) GBD. [Speaker 6] (4:18:20 - 4:18:20) Okay. [Speaker 7] (4:18:20 - 4:18:21) Second. [Speaker 6] (4:18:21 - 4:18:22) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (4:18:23 - 4:18:26) I think we've had enough discussion. So vote. [Speaker 4] (4:18:27 - 4:18:27) All [Speaker 6] (4:18:27 - 4:18:27) Yes. [Speaker 4] (4:18:27 - 4:18:28) in favor? [Speaker 1] (4:18:28 - 4:18:28) Aye. [Speaker 6] (4:18:28 - 4:18:28) Aye. [Speaker 7] (4:18:28 - 4:18:29) Aye. [Speaker 4] (4:18:29 - 4:18:29) Aye. [Speaker 4] (4:18:30 - 4:18:31) Fantastic. [Speaker 6] (4:18:34 - 4:18:36) Amy, do you have an update on the capital situation? [Speaker 8] (4:18:38 - 4:18:42) So we are still waiting for an additional update from bond counsel. [Speaker 8] (4:18:42 - 4:18:45) The capital improvement met today at 11, [Speaker 6] (4:18:45 - 4:18:45) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (4:18:45 - 4:18:51) and they are not in support of article 16. [Speaker 4] (4:18:51 - 4:18:52) The upgrades, wait. [Speaker 6] (4:18:52 - 4:18:52) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:18:52 - 4:18:52) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (4:18:52 - 4:18:55) It is the 89 Borough Street VFW [Speaker 4] (4:18:55 - 4:18:56) Yeah, Borough Street. [Speaker 8] (4:18:56 - 4:18:57) amendment to authorizations. [Speaker 6] (4:18:58 - 4:19:00) So they did not vote favorable action on [Speaker 8] (4:19:00 - 4:19:01) that. They did not. [Speaker 8] (4:19:01 - 4:19:02) Um so [Speaker 6] (4:19:02 - 4:19:02) We're [Speaker 8] (4:19:02 - 4:19:02) we are [Speaker 6] (4:19:02 - 4:19:04) finding out from bond counsel if we need that? [Speaker 8] (4:19:04 - 4:19:14) Yeah, so we had heard from bond counsel prior to this vote that it would need capital improvements support. We are clarifying with them now that we've there is no support from capital improvement. [Speaker 8] (4:19:15 - 4:19:19) Um I haven't gotten an answer as of today. [Speaker 8] (4:19:19 - 4:19:22) So I will update you as soon as I have it. [Speaker 6] (4:19:22 - 4:19:27) Were you at that meet did you want did they understand that that possibly takes us out of the running for [Speaker 6] (4:19:28 - 4:19:30) grants and [Speaker 8] (4:19:31 - 4:19:32) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (4:19:33 - 4:19:33) funding. [Speaker 8] (4:19:34 - 4:19:38) Yep, they would like to have they feel that more discussion needs to be had. [Speaker 8] (4:19:38 - 4:19:40) Myself, Patrick and Max were [Speaker 6] (4:19:41 - 4:19:42) Helen Hale called the meeting as well. [Speaker 8] (4:19:42 - 4:19:43) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:19:44 - 4:19:45) Um [Speaker 4] (4:19:46 - 4:19:51) Okay, so we haven't assigned any of these articles for discussion at town meeting? [Speaker 4] (4:19:52 - 4:19:57) Sorry uh but unless you wanna do that Monday and everyone feels great speaking off the cuff. [Speaker 6] (4:19:58 - 4:19:58) Let's do it Monday. [Speaker 4] (4:20:00 - 4:20:03) I mean which which articles do we have to speak to? [Speaker 1] (4:20:03 - 4:20:09) I I would is it possible? Are we gonna be re reposting anyway? Could we just meet a little bit earlier or something and do it then? [Speaker 6] (4:20:10 - 4:20:10) Well, [Speaker 4] (4:20:10 - 4:20:10) What time? [Speaker 6] (4:20:10 - 4:20:11) then your meeting [Speaker 9] (4:20:11 - 4:20:11) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (4:20:11 - 4:20:11) is at six. [Speaker 9] (4:20:11 - 4:20:13) We have a post-it at six o'clock. [Speaker 1] (4:20:13 - 4:20:15) Yeah. Meet at five thirty yeah. [Speaker 4] (4:20:15 - 4:20:15) Sure. [Speaker 4] (4:20:17 - 4:20:17) Done. [Speaker 1] (4:20:17 - 4:20:18) Maybe. [Speaker 8] (4:20:19 - 4:20:22) The Finance Committee has assigned all the financial articles. So [Speaker 6] (4:20:22 - 4:20:23) So all what's left? [Speaker 8] (4:20:23 - 4:20:26) financial and capital articles have been assigned for Finance Committee members. [Speaker 6] (4:20:27 - 4:20:29) Okay. So the only thing we have to talk about. [Speaker 4] (4:20:29 - 4:20:30) So so [Speaker 1] (4:20:33 - 4:20:37) Just want to let everyone know the cares the Celtics won by 25 tonight [Speaker 4] (4:20:37 - 4:20:37) great. [Speaker 6] (4:20:37 - 4:20:38) Jeez. [Speaker 4] (4:20:38 - 4:20:41) Okay, so Two, three, four. [Speaker 6] (4:20:43 - 4:20:45) Well, we don't have to get up and s hold on a I minute. [Speaker 4] (4:20:45 - 4:20:47) know, that's one thing, we don't have to get up to speak about [Speaker 4] (4:20:48 - 4:20:53) two, three, four, five, six. [Speaker 6] (4:20:53 - 4:20:54) We have to speak about seven. [Speaker 4] (4:20:54 - 4:20:58) We have to speak about seven. Mary Ellen, you wanted to speak about seven? [Speaker 6] (4:20:58 - 4:20:59) Yeah, I'll take seven. [Speaker 4] (4:20:59 - 4:21:02) Okay, so that's seven for Mary Ellen. [Speaker 4] (4:21:05 - 4:21:05) Eight. [Speaker 6] (4:21:06 - 4:21:07) I'll take 81. [Speaker 1] (4:21:07 - 4:21:09) You sure you want to do A_ You want to do seven, Marielle? [Speaker 4] (4:21:09 - 4:21:10) Well we voted not to support it, but [Speaker 1] (4:21:10 - 4:21:12) And you voted against that. [Speaker 6] (4:21:12 - 4:21:14) That's fine. I think it's majority rules. I will [Speaker 1] (4:21:14 - 4:21:17) Okay, okay. Alright. Thanks. [Speaker 4] (4:21:17 - 4:21:19) Marielle's gonna speak about eight. [Speaker 6] (4:21:19 - 4:21:20) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (4:21:20 - 4:21:22) Um article nine, [Speaker 4] (4:21:24 - 4:21:25) article ten. [Speaker 6] (4:21:27 - 4:21:27) Um. [Speaker 8] (4:21:27 - 4:21:28) The board of assessors is going [Speaker 6] (4:21:28 - 4:21:29) The [Speaker 8] (4:21:29 - 4:21:29) to [Speaker 6] (4:21:29 - 4:21:29) board [Speaker 8] (4:21:29 - 4:21:29) leave. [Speaker 6] (4:21:29 - 4:21:29) of assessors, [Speaker 8] (4:21:29 - 4:21:29) I'm not going to go as well. [Speaker 6] (4:21:29 - 4:21:31) the board of assessors will take [Speaker 8] (4:21:31 - 4:21:31) Yep. [Speaker 6] (4:21:31 - 4:21:32) nine, right? [Speaker 8] (4:21:32 - 4:21:33) It's [Speaker 1] (4:21:33 - 4:21:33) Nine, ten, [Speaker 8] (4:21:33 - 4:21:33) uh... [Speaker 6] (4:21:33 - 4:21:33) Nine, [Speaker 1] (4:21:33 - 4:21:33) eleven, [Speaker 6] (4:21:33 - 4:21:33) ten, [Speaker 1] (4:21:33 - 4:21:34) eleven, [Speaker 8] (4:21:34 - 4:21:34) 12. [Speaker 1] (4:21:34 - 4:21:34) eleven. [Speaker 4] (4:21:34 - 4:21:34) twelve, eleven, [Speaker 6] (4:21:34 - 4:21:35) 11, [Speaker 8] (4:21:35 - 4:21:36) twelve, eleven, twelve and thirteen. [Speaker 6] (4:21:36 - 4:21:36) twelve [Speaker 4] (4:21:36 - 4:21:36) Twelve and thirteen. [Speaker 6] (4:21:36 - 4:21:37) and thirteen. [Speaker 4] (4:21:37 - 4:21:42) Okay, so moving to fourteen, revolving funds, is that Finance Committee? [Speaker 4] (4:21:43 - 4:21:44) Fifteen, [Speaker 8] (4:21:44 - 4:21:46) Fifteen, sixteen, seventeen are finance, right? [Speaker 4] (4:21:46 - 4:21:46) sixteen, [Speaker 8] (4:21:46 - 4:21:46) Even though [Speaker 4] (4:21:46 - 4:21:47) seventeen, [Speaker 8] (4:21:47 - 4:21:47) sixteen seems like [Speaker 4] (4:21:47 - 4:21:48) Finance [Speaker 8] (4:21:48 - 4:21:48) it should be law. [Speaker 4] (4:21:48 - 4:21:48) Committee. [Speaker 4] (4:21:49 - 4:21:55) Eighteen, Doug, you want to take this one? This is the CPA, since you're the CPA spokesperson, whether you like it or not. [Speaker 4] (4:21:56 - 4:21:59) um 19 the ERAC. [Speaker 4] (4:22:00 - 4:22:02) Who's the liaison for ERAC? [Speaker 1] (4:22:03 - 4:22:03) David. [Speaker 4] (4:22:03 - 4:22:03) David. [Speaker 6] (4:22:03 - 4:22:04) David. [Speaker 4] (4:22:04 - 4:22:05) David, would you mind taking that one, David? [Speaker 1] (4:22:06 - 4:22:06) Sure. [Speaker 4] (4:22:06 - 4:22:13) Is that okay? Uh article 20 we recommended to indefinitely postpone, but we still have to speak to that recommendation. [Speaker 8] (4:22:13 - 4:22:14) You'll make that motion to indefinitely postpone. [Speaker 6] (4:22:14 - 4:22:16) If you're up there, do you want to just take that? [Speaker 4] (4:22:17 - 4:22:19) I I'm happy to make that one if you don't want to make it. [Speaker 1] (4:22:19 - 4:22:20) Sure. [Speaker 4] (4:22:20 - 4:22:26) Okay, so I'll take that one. Stream definitely postpone. Um article 21 to establish fall meeting. [Speaker 4] (4:22:29 - 4:22:30) Again, [Speaker 4] (4:22:30 - 4:22:32) I guess I'll be up there so if we're falling into that. [Speaker 4] (4:22:33 - 4:22:34) I'll take that. [Speaker 8] (4:22:34 - 4:22:34) Heavy [Speaker 4] (4:22:34 - 4:22:35) Article [Speaker 8] (4:22:35 - 4:22:35) is [Speaker 4] (4:22:35 - 4:22:35) three. [Speaker 8] (4:22:35 - 4:22:35) the crown. [Speaker 6] (4:22:35 - 4:22:36) Well, if it's sponsored by the clerk, [Speaker 6] (4:22:36 - 4:22:38) do you do you [Speaker 4] (4:22:38 - 4:22:38) need What [Speaker 6] (4:22:38 - 4:22:38) did if [Speaker 4] (4:22:38 - 4:22:38) you say? [Speaker 6] (4:22:38 - 4:22:39) it's [Speaker 8] (4:22:39 - 4:22:40) The clerk cannot make the motion. [Speaker 4] (4:22:40 - 4:22:42) Because he's not a Yeah, [Speaker 1] (4:22:42 - 4:22:42) Got [Speaker 4] (4:22:42 - 4:22:42) that's wrong. [Speaker 1] (4:22:42 - 4:22:43) it, so [Speaker 8] (4:22:43 - 4:22:43) Got it. [Speaker 1] (4:22:43 - 4:22:45) so some so one of us can make the motion [Speaker 4] (4:22:45 - 4:22:49) So I'll make the motion and recognize the as the clerk we recognize and the clerk will speak [Speaker 6] (4:22:49 - 4:22:49) Mm [Speaker 4] (4:22:49 - 4:22:50) to it. [Speaker 8] (4:22:50 - 4:22:51) -hmm if not I will. [Speaker 4] (4:22:51 - 4:22:52) Okay, great. [Speaker 4] (4:22:53 - 4:22:58) Um 22 It's this 22 [Speaker 6] (4:23:00 - 4:23:01) If you're already up at 21, [Speaker 6] (4:23:01 - 4:23:01) I [Speaker 8] (4:23:01 - 4:23:03) Similarly, if you can make the motion, [Speaker 8] (4:23:04 - 4:23:05) one of the two of us staff will speak. [Speaker 4] (4:23:05 - 4:23:13) Okay, great. Uh twenty three oh we didn't we [Speaker 6] (4:23:13 - 4:23:13) Did we pull this? [Speaker 10] (4:23:14 - 4:23:15) No, we're pulling 24. [Speaker 6] (4:23:16 - 4:23:16) Anyway. [Speaker 4] (4:23:17 - 4:23:21) did we motion did we recommend either of twenty three or twenty four? [Speaker 6] (4:23:21 - 4:23:22) I don't think [Speaker 8] (4:23:22 - 4:23:22) Yeah, [Speaker 6] (4:23:22 - 4:23:22) so. [Speaker 11] (4:23:22 - 4:23:23) I have it [Speaker 10] (4:23:23 - 4:23:23) 23. [Speaker 11] (4:23:23 - 4:23:25) voting I have it voting four oh in support. [Speaker 4] (4:23:25 - 4:23:26) You do, okay. [Speaker 6] (4:23:26 - 4:23:27) Yeah. Oh, okay. [Speaker 10] (4:23:27 - 4:23:27) Yep. [Speaker 1] (4:23:27 - 4:23:28) But weren't, [Speaker 6] (4:23:28 - 4:23:28) But we [Speaker 1] (4:23:28 - 4:23:29) but [Speaker 6] (4:23:29 - 4:23:29) pulled 24, [Speaker 6] (4:23:30 - 4:23:30) right? [Speaker 1] (4:23:30 - 4:23:30) weren't [Speaker 6] (4:23:30 - 4:23:30) At least [Speaker 1] (4:23:30 - 4:23:31) there questions? [Speaker 6] (4:23:31 - 4:23:31) pulled. [Speaker 10] (4:23:31 - 4:23:32) On 24. [Speaker 4] (4:23:32 - 4:23:35) On 24, can we take a, [Speaker 8] (4:23:35 - 4:23:36) You can revote. [Speaker 4] (4:23:36 - 4:23:39) can we take a revote considering the information that was available, [Speaker 4] (4:23:39 - 4:23:45) the appendix is wrong and that the sewer water commission is now suggesting that they would like to pull, [Speaker 4] (4:23:45 - 4:23:49) or they've asked us to pull it Right. so that they can re-tune it. [Speaker 6] (4:23:49 - 4:23:52) So can I make a motion to indefinitely postpone 24? [Speaker 1] (4:23:52 - 4:23:52) Second. [Speaker 6] (4:23:54 - 4:23:54) It's your turn. [Speaker 4] (4:23:55 - 4:23:57) You made the motion, Mary Ellen. [Speaker 8] (4:23:57 - 4:23:57) You made the motion, [Speaker 4] (4:23:57 - 4:23:58) That's what we can't do. [Speaker 8] (4:23:58 - 4:23:59) I just want to get home. [Speaker 4] (4:23:59 - 4:24:00) All in favor? [Speaker 1] (4:24:00 - 4:24:00) I [Speaker 4] (4:24:00 - 4:24:00) Aye. [Speaker 10] (4:24:00 - 4:24:01) Aye. [Speaker 6] (4:24:01 - 4:24:01) Aye. [Speaker 10] (4:24:01 - 4:24:01) Aye. [Speaker 4] (4:24:01 - 4:24:05) Okay, so we will just indefinite postponement. [Speaker 1] (4:24:05 - 4:24:08) So who's speaking to 23 then? [Speaker 4] (4:24:08 - 4:24:10) Doug, will you take 23 and 24? [Speaker 1] (4:24:12 - 4:24:12) Okay. [Speaker 4] (4:24:12 - 4:24:13) No, you don't have to. [Speaker 1] (4:24:14 - 4:24:15) David's the liaison. [Speaker 1] (4:24:16 - 4:24:17) Seriously. [Speaker 4] (4:24:18 - 4:24:19) Okay, David? [Speaker 11] (4:24:19 - 4:24:19) Yeah, sure. [Speaker 4] (4:24:19 - 4:24:21) Okay, so David's going to speak to 23. [Speaker 4] (4:24:22 - 4:24:24) And 24. [Speaker 4] (4:24:24 - 4:24:26) And planning boards [Speaker 8] (4:24:26 - 4:24:26) Planning board. [Speaker 4] (4:24:26 - 4:24:27) gonna speak to 25. [Speaker 1] (4:24:29 - 4:24:29) And [Speaker 8] (4:24:29 - 4:24:30) And [Speaker 1] (4:24:30 - 4:24:30) 26. [Speaker 8] (4:24:30 - 4:24:31) 26 and 27. [Speaker 1] (4:24:31 - 4:24:31) 27. [Speaker 4] (4:24:31 - 4:24:34) Please six and 27. And we don't speak to 28. [Speaker 6] (4:24:34 - 4:24:34) Okay. [Speaker 4] (4:24:34 - 4:24:35) See that wasn't so hard. [Speaker 8] (4:24:35 - 4:24:38) You'll still want to form an opinion on 28, um [Speaker 6] (4:24:40 - 4:24:40) Oh, we didn't. [Speaker 8] (4:24:40 - 4:24:40) before. [Speaker 6] (4:24:42 - 4:24:42) Tell me, Nick. [Speaker 6] (4:24:42 - 4:24:44) I didn't do that. [Speaker 4] (4:24:44 - 4:24:45) You sure? [Speaker 6] (4:24:45 - 4:24:45) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (4:24:46 - 4:24:48) They usually take a vote on [Speaker 4] (4:24:48 - 4:24:49) Because it's a citizens petition, [Speaker 6] (4:24:49 - 4:24:49) I [Speaker 4] (4:24:49 - 4:24:49) we [Speaker 6] (4:24:49 - 4:24:50) don't [Speaker 4] (4:24:50 - 4:24:50) take think a vote. [Speaker 6] (4:24:50 - 4:24:51) we touch that. [Speaker 1] (4:24:51 - 4:24:51) Mm-mm-mm. [Speaker 4] (4:24:51 - 4:24:54) We did not take a vote for the last citizens petition, [Speaker 1] (4:24:54 - 4:24:54) No, [Speaker 6] (4:24:54 - 4:24:54) And we [Speaker 4] (4:24:54 - 4:24:54) so. [Speaker 6] (4:24:54 - 4:24:54) we didn't take, [Speaker 1] (4:24:54 - 4:24:55) no. [Speaker 6] (4:24:55 - 4:24:56) we haven't taken a petition, [Speaker 4] (4:24:56 - 4:24:57) Okay. [Speaker 6] (4:24:57 - 4:24:59) any of them. [Speaker 4] (4:24:59 - 4:25:04) Okay, well, let's check on that. It will be on the Monday's agenda if we need to. We are not going to take a vote tonight on that. [Speaker 6] (4:25:04 - 4:25:06) I'm not going to touch it today. [Speaker 4] (4:25:07 - 4:25:08) There's select board time. [Speaker 4] (4:25:08 - 4:25:10) We waive select board time. [Speaker 6] (4:25:10 - 4:25:11) Yep, waived. [Speaker 1] (4:25:11 - 4:25:15) Well, I just want to say thank you to Mary Ellen for sharing for the last year. [Speaker 6] (4:25:15 - 4:25:16) Oh, you're welcome. [Speaker 1] (4:25:16 - 4:25:24) We clearly have had our disagreements, but I definitely appreciate the fact that you worked tirelessly, sometimes to my chagrin, [Speaker 1] (4:25:24 - 4:25:26) but I appreciate it. [Speaker 6] (4:25:26 - 4:25:27) Well, [Speaker 10] (4:25:27 - 4:25:27) I think [Speaker 6] (4:25:27 - 4:25:28) thank you, Doug. [Speaker 4] (4:25:29 - 4:25:30) I think we all echo those sentiments. [Speaker 6] (4:25:31 - 4:25:31) Thank you all. [Speaker 4] (4:25:31 - 4:25:32) Thank you, Mary Ellen. [Speaker 4] (4:25:33 - 4:25:35) Okay, so I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. [Speaker 6] (4:25:36 - 4:25:36) Motion to adjourn. [Speaker 4] (4:25:36 - 4:25:38) Okay, all in favour? [Speaker 6] (4:25:38 - 4:25:39) Aye. [Speaker 4] (4:25:39 - 4:25:39) Aye. [Speaker 1] (4:25:40 - 4:25:40) Aye. [Speaker 9] (4:25:40 - 4:25:40) I'm with you. [Speaker 4] (4:25:40 - 4:25:41) Thank you guys.