[Speaker 1] (2:58 - 3:00)
Is this talking of just the uh election?

[Speaker 2] (3:00 - 3:01)
Someone's

[Speaker 3] (3:01 - 3:01)
No

[Speaker 4] (3:01 - 3:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (3:01 - 3:01)
quit.

[Speaker 4] (3:01 - 3:03)
I I have done I I have done the same thing I

[Speaker 3] (3:03 - 3:03)
Sorry,

[Speaker 4] (3:03 - 3:05)
did in my last we're just a summary of the changes.

[Speaker 1] (3:05 - 3:06)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:06 - 3:06)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (3:06 - 3:06)
I'll set it.

[Speaker 2] (3:07 - 3:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:07 - 3:08)
I did get a call from Chris.

[Speaker 2] (3:08 - 3:10)
Good evening, we'll call the June

[Speaker 4] (3:10 - 3:11)
Public meeting on

[Speaker 2] (3:11 - 3:11)
4th,

[Speaker 4] (3:11 - 3:12)
the fourth on this

[Speaker 2] (3:12 - 3:12)
2025

[Speaker 4] (3:12 - 3:12)
2025. I

[Speaker 2] (3:12 - 3:12)
selectboard

[Speaker 4] (3:12 - 3:13)
will send

[Speaker 2] (3:13 - 3:13)
meeting to

[Speaker 4] (3:13 - 3:13)
you

[Speaker 2] (3:13 - 3:14)
order.

[Speaker 2] (3:15 - 3:21)
Uh thank you all for coming. Just a reminder, we are being recorded. If you would rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Speaker 4] (3:24 - 3:25)
Yep. Stand up.

[Speaker 2] (3:25 - 3:26)
Congratulations to the flag

[Speaker 5] (3:26 - 3:27)
To the flag

[Speaker 2] (3:27 - 3:27)
of the United

[Speaker 5] (3:27 - 3:36)
of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 4] (3:37 - 3:38)
Or done that, so we don't have to do it all the

[Speaker 2] (3:38 - 3:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:38 - 3:39)
way, okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:39 - 3:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:42 - 3:44)
I'm going to start this evening.

[Speaker 2] (3:45 - 3:46)
You want to stand for this?

[Speaker 2] (3:49 - 4:04)
No such luck. With the re-appointment of um interim town administrator Gino Cresta, um we'll open up for anybody has discussion. Uh Gino's been serving in the role for how long Gino?

[Speaker 2] (4:04 - 4:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (4:05 - 4:07)
interim since December eighteenth

[Speaker 2] (4:07 - 4:08)
Okay, December eighteenth.

[Speaker 6] (4:08 - 4:09)
captain since November sixth.

[Speaker 2] (4:09 - 4:11)
Very good. And um

[Speaker 2] (4:13 - 4:14)
his

[Speaker 2] (4:15 - 4:23)
Appointment expires June 18th, so by charter we have to reappoint. If that's the

[Speaker 2] (4:24 - 4:26)
desire of the board.

[Speaker 4] (4:26 - 4:26)
Does somebody object?

[Speaker 2] (4:28 - 4:32)
Uh so I would entertain either discussion or a motion at this time.

[Speaker 7] (4:34 - 4:37)
I'll motion to reappoint Gino Cresta as interim town administrator.

[Speaker 2] (4:37 - 4:38)
You have a second?

[Speaker 1] (4:38 - 4:38)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (4:38 - 4:39)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (4:41 - 4:41)
up

[Speaker 1] (4:41 - 4:41)
Um

[Speaker 4] (4:42 - 4:42)
Up to six months.

[Speaker 2] (4:42 - 4:47)
up to six months the charter allows for six months so we'll appoint I is it what is the motion

[Speaker 7] (4:47 - 4:48)
For

[Speaker 2] (4:48 - 4:48)
David?

[Speaker 7] (4:48 - 4:49)
up for up to six months.

[Speaker 2] (4:49 - 4:50)
Okay great.

[Speaker 7] (4:50 - 4:50)
Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (4:50 - 4:55)
So um so I have a first and a second uh all those in favor?

[Speaker 1] (4:56 - 4:56)
Sorry,

[Speaker 5] (4:56 - 4:56)
aye.

[Speaker 1] (4:56 - 4:56)
aye.

[Speaker 2] (4:56 - 4:59)
Aye and opposed. Wonderful. Thank you Gino.

[Speaker 5] (4:59 - 4:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (5:01 - 5:05)
Uh we now have a presentation of a proclamation to Jonathan.

[Speaker 2] (5:06 - 5:09)
Walger, an Eagle Scout. Is Jonathan here? He's here.

[Speaker 1] (5:10 - 5:10)
No.

[Speaker 4] (5:11 - 5:11)
No.

[Speaker 2] (5:11 - 5:12)
No, he's not here. Is he online?

[Speaker 1] (5:13 - 5:13)
No.

[Speaker 1] (5:13 - 5:14)
No.

[Speaker 2] (5:14 - 5:19)
No? Okay, so maybe we will table that till he could join us.

[Speaker 2] (5:21 - 5:22)
Um, town administrators report.

[Speaker 6] (5:24 - 5:28)
All right. Well thank you for your support as well. Appreciate it.

[Speaker 6] (5:30 - 5:44)
Alright, as you know by now, Amy Sorrow, Director of Finance and Administration is her resigned effective June thirtieth nineteen twenty five. Obviously we thank Amy for her service to the town and uh

[Speaker 6] (5:45 - 6:01)
It's really about hiring a placement. We've reached out to our couple of consultant firms we've used in the past as a bridge bridge between town accountants will be no different. I don't have to talk on to Amy, we're probably gonna advertise the position as a uh an accountant as opposed to a finance director.

[Speaker 6] (6:03 - 6:20)
The VFW will be holding their annual U.S. Flag Retirement Ceremony on Fisherman's Beach on Flag Day, which is June fourteenth at five p.m. If you have a flag in need of retirement, please drop it off at the location or at eight Pine Street, VFW, and you can bring it to the cemetery ceremony at four forty five.

[Speaker 6] (6:21 - 6:25)
You know the cemetery, we have quite a few flags we're looking to decommission.

[Speaker 6] (6:25 - 6:27)
Ready set, the town's D_E_I_ consultant?

[Speaker 6] (6:28 - 6:42)
We'll be at a future meeting with a present presentation to discuss their finance. We met with them late last week so I think we've made some significant progress. A big thank you to Girl Scout Troop 64473 members Sadie Anderson.

[Speaker 6] (6:45 - 6:47)
Cordelia Dolanow, Sabrina Kruger,

[Speaker 6] (6:47 - 6:48)
Abigail D.

[Speaker 6] (6:48 - 6:49)
Lee Doit,

[Speaker 6] (6:50 - 6:51)
Cecilia Nicholson,

[Speaker 6] (6:51 - 6:52)
and Camilla Van,

[Speaker 6] (6:52 - 6:53)
Vanderlinden,

[Speaker 6] (6:53 - 6:55)
ostensible messages on street drains,

[Speaker 6] (6:56 - 6:57)
trains notifying people not to dump in.

[Speaker 6] (6:58 - 7:14)
The catch basins, 'cause it as most of us know, but not everybody knows, the catch basins is different than the source. The storm drains are on the street discharge into the ocean, not into our source system. So thank you to the Girl Scouts, and I apologise if I've mispronounced any of those names.

[Speaker 6] (7:16 - 7:23)
The Annual Harbor Festival is this Saturday from noon to four. There are five entrants into the second annual chowder fest. So

[Speaker 4] (7:24 - 7:32)
Please be honest. Do you have any questions? Feel free to reach out to Danielle and Jackie. Sure they'll be able to assist you. The FAMIS market opens on Sunday,

[Speaker 4] (7:33 - 7:45)
ten to one, with over fifty vendors, I believe. Come on down to town hall to buy some great food, dog treats, or crafty items. This is a what year of the FAMIS market? Consecutive year?

[Speaker 7] (7:48 - 7:48)
About

[Speaker 2] (7:48 - 7:49)
Long

[Speaker 4] (7:49 - 7:49)
And

[Speaker 2] (7:49 - 7:49)
time.

[Speaker 4] (7:49 - 7:51)
then it been. It's a long time. Sorry to put you on the spot.

[Speaker 2] (7:51 - 7:51)
Over ten.

[Speaker 4] (7:51 - 7:53)
Yeah, uh over ten.

[Speaker 4] (7:53 - 8:09)
Thank you Danielle and Jackie, appreciate it. And the police department received a fifteen thousand dollar grant through the Bureau of Justice Assist assistance. These funds will be used to conduct department-wide training with an emphasis on communication and community engagement in July.

[Speaker 4] (8:10 - 8:13)
And that's the abbreviated report. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (8:13 - 8:14)
Thank you, Gina.

[Speaker 2] (8:16 - 8:17)
Um

[Speaker 2] (8:20 - 8:21)
Does anybody have any questions?

[Speaker 2] (8:22 - 8:23)
Does anyone have a share?

[Speaker 2] (8:25 - 8:36)
I just have one, if you have, I don't know if you have any information on the Board of Health, any information from the Board of Health on beach testing?

[Speaker 6] (8:36 - 8:38)
Yes, those results were posted this afternoon.

[Speaker 2] (8:38 - 8:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (8:39 - 8:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (8:40 - 8:48)
So I have the chair of the Board of Health sent an email that I just...

[Speaker 2] (8:48 - 8:58)
would like to read to get some information out about what the Board of Health has been doing on the matter of the beach testing at Fisherman's Beach.

[Speaker 2] (8:58 - 8:59)
So I'll just read this.

[Speaker 2] (9:00 - 9:02)
This is from Gargi Cooper,

[Speaker 2] (9:02 - 9:03)
the chair of the Board of Health.

[Speaker 2] (9:03 - 9:05)
Based on resident feedback and select board member suggestion,

[Speaker 2] (9:06 - 9:08)
the Board of Health voted to do more data collection for Phillips,

[Speaker 2] (9:09 - 9:12)
Iceman's, and now Fisherman's based on some of the pipes being fixed.

[Speaker 2] (9:12 - 9:27)
We discussed this at our meeting back in February and made two plans; one to use potential Techa machine or outsourcing the testing. We are happy that the town purchased the new Techa machine, and so we were able to use some of the testing to provide residents some reassurance and data.

[Speaker 2] (9:27 - 9:38)
We also wanted to ensure we were making sound decisions regarding the town program being held on beaches that had concerned contamination. The plan was to collect the data for one month in May prior to the official beach season.

[Speaker 2] (9:39 - 9:42)
Unfortunately, due to equipment education and hiring of an intern,

[Speaker 2] (9:42 - 9:49)
our timeline was pushed and we started last week. We worked with Gino to hire a Board of Health intern to be trained on the new equipment.

[Speaker 2] (9:49 - 9:59)
The Board of Health is collaborating with the Water Sewer Advisory Committee to use the lab and use their lab and work on a way for us to obtain the results. The intern...

[Speaker 1] (10:18 - 10:20)
To inform the public,

[Speaker 1] (10:20 - 10:25)
I'm sorry, just to inform the public of the testing plan and the results.

[Speaker 1] (10:25 - 10:28)
As you can see so far, there are no exceedances in the swimming areas,

[Speaker 1] (10:28 - 10:29)
which is great news,

[Speaker 1] (10:29 - 10:34)
but there are some in the outfalls. We will review the data once completed at our Board of Health meeting.

[Speaker 1] (10:35 - 10:37)
Jeff Baum will be working on a way to post the preliminary data,

[Speaker 1] (10:38 - 10:39)
which he has and is now posted.

[Speaker 1] (10:40 - 10:42)
If data demonstrates that our numbers are within the range,

[Speaker 1] (10:43 - 10:45)
we do not have plans to continue to test over the summer.

[Speaker 1] (10:45 - 10:50)
Please note that our Board of Health Director already does this on a weekly basis during beach season,

[Speaker 1] (10:50 - 10:52)
and the samples are processed by a state lab.

[Speaker 1] (10:52 - 10:54)
Please note any exceedance over 104,

[Speaker 1] (10:54 - 10:58)
which is not safe for swimming.

[Speaker 1] (10:58 - 11:05)
We welcome all residents to join our June 18th meeting for further questions or concerns so that the whole board can listen and discuss next steps.

[Speaker 1] (11:05 - 11:06)
That's from the Board of Health.

[Speaker 2] (11:08 - 11:32)
I'm glad you read that Katie, because um I think it's really unfortunate uh with the amount of time and effort that people put in on the committees, uh whether it's the board of health or water and sewer or any committee that um as soon as something doesn't happen immediately the way someone wants it to happen, it seems to be a conspiracy.

[Speaker 2] (11:33 - 11:49)
Um and um people are trying, this is like they have their jobs, they have their lives and they're doing this on top of it. And if you wanna help, that's great, but um we're all trying to move I think in a very similar direction and um when um

[Speaker 2] (11:50 - 11:55)
People are kind of called out for hiding things or not sharing information.

[Speaker 2] (11:56 - 11:58)
Maybe that happens eventually.

[Speaker 2] (11:58 - 12:08)
I'm not saying it never does. But I just wish people would kind of reach out directly instead of kind of blasting people on social media.

[Speaker 2] (12:08 - 12:16)
It just doesn't really help the tone of the town for that to be the go-to way to try to get things done.

[Speaker 2] (12:19 - 12:28)
I just want to echo Doug's comments. Thank you uh for for saying that. Um a couple questions about to to Gino on his account administrator's report.

[Speaker 3] (12:28 - 12:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (12:28 - 12:39)
Uh to talk about the R_F_P_ for the clerks' school. Is that something that the school will d will be doing or is that something the town will be doing? And because that the property is currently under the control of the of the schools.

[Speaker 3] (12:39 - 12:45)
That's right. Sorry to quick meeting with Mass Cast but to talk about potentially putting out an R_F_P_ for that building.

[Speaker 3] (12:45 - 12:49)
but he wants to work with the town to make sure we're all on board with what's gonna go on.

[Speaker 2] (12:50 - 13:00)
You've got it okay. And then uh follow-up question was you know it was tr we were driving around town going to a baseball game, we had baseball practice uh or games just about every day.

[Speaker 2] (13:01 - 13:08)
Um and my sons were in the car and we were you know going through you know going across Monument Ave and they noticed that

[Speaker 4] (13:08 - 13:11)
the pride's uh crosswalks had sort of been faded.

[Speaker 3] (13:12 - 13:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (13:12 - 13:18)
And we were curious you know, since June is pride month, if those were to be repainted uh this month.

[Speaker 3] (13:18 - 13:28)
That is a great question. Now I've had a resident that has volunteered to paint nine of the crosswalks in town with the pride colours.

[Speaker 4] (13:29 - 13:31)
So how many crosswalks do we have that were painted previously?

[Speaker 3] (13:32 - 13:32)
I think nine.

[Speaker 4] (13:33 - 13:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (13:33 - 13:46)
Well maybe not, maybe not, because I think a couple of these are additional ones are going to be part of the high school, but the resident reached out to the high school or the school system because couple of them going to go, one of them here, two at the new elementary school and two at the middle school.

[Speaker 4] (13:47 - 13:49)
So is that something that's gonna that's happening eminently?

[Speaker 3] (13:49 - 13:55)
Yeah, I was actually going to reach out to make sure I had the support. I know it's my decision, but I wanted to make sure that everybody was on board.

[Speaker 3] (13:56 - 13:59)
And if it is, I make the phone call tomorrow and the resident has

[Speaker 2] (13:59 - 13:59)
Someone's

[Speaker 3] (13:59 - 13:59)
a cane.

[Speaker 2] (13:59 - 14:01)
volunteered to physically

[Speaker 3] (14:01 - 14:02)
Yeah, if the with the

[Speaker 2] (14:02 - 14:04)
provide the support to do that?

[Speaker 3] (14:04 - 14:08)
Yep, to pay, to paint or give you the deal.

[Speaker 3] (14:08 - 14:13)
For those nine and he wants the town to paint and pay for one so they have skin in the game.

[Speaker 2] (14:14 - 14:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (14:14 - 14:16)
So does a painting company come in and paint that?

[Speaker 3] (14:16 - 14:25)
It's what it yes. Yeah, we reached out to K-5 and he gave us a price of just south of $8,000 to paint the nine crosswalks.

[Speaker 4] (14:26 - 14:37)
Well, just let it for the let the record show I'm fully in support of uh of painting those crosswalks uh and supporting uh pride in June and uh all year round.

[Speaker 2] (14:37 - 14:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (14:38 - 14:44)
So to be clear, we are would be one ninth of that bill would be the town's responsibility.

[Speaker 3] (14:46 - 14:47)
One tenth.

[Speaker 1] (14:47 - 14:48)
One tenth of the bill,

[Speaker 3] (14:48 - 14:48)
It'll

[Speaker 1] (14:48 - 14:48)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (14:48 - 14:50)
pay nine we'll pay for the tenth

[Speaker 1] (14:50 - 14:50)
Great,

[Speaker 3] (14:50 - 14:50)
one.

[Speaker 1] (14:50 - 14:54)
just want to be clear to everybody considering the budget conversations that we are not.

[Speaker 1] (14:55 - 15:06)
gonna spend $8,000 on that, but we will support absolutely eight hundred dollars, and I would I would have supported eight thousand, but here we are and we don't have to. So thank you to the resident

[Speaker 1] (15:06 - 15:06)
Um

[Speaker 4] (15:07 - 15:07)
Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (15:07 - 15:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (15:08 - 15:09)
I have a question on the Clark. It

[Speaker 3] (15:09 - 15:09)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (15:09 - 15:13)
'cause it says here water tower cell site and then it says wind.

[Speaker 5] (15:14 - 15:17)
You're sending out R_ F_ P_s. Wh what does that actually mean?

[Speaker 3] (15:18 - 15:22)
I don't know. I'd have to check with Matt. We have an eight we're not gonna send out an R_ F_ P_ yet, we're gonna work.

[Speaker 3] (15:23 - 15:27)
To see if we can construct an R_F_P_ to send a note. But I think if it's

[Speaker 5] (15:27 - 15:28)
But I my concern is

[Speaker 5] (15:29 - 15:35)
If you're studying out of Are you studying on an R_F_P_ I mean, if is there an R_F_P_ going out there for something that we don't even know

[Speaker 3] (15:35 - 15:55)
Nope, that's not we talked about potentially putting out an R_F_P_ because it's a school, and I wanna speak for the school, but they feel like they have bit and resources being drained to uh heat and take care of a building that's not being occupied. So if they could get some revenue to offset that, it would be a win-win for everybody. So that's what we're considering. But I'll I'm sure I'll be reaching back out to our

[Speaker 3] (15:56 - 16:00)
This board here when we come up with a plan to see if it's feasible.

[Speaker 5] (16:00 - 16:01)
It works.

[Speaker 5] (16:03 - 16:05)
And I have one question on the police hiring.

[Speaker 3] (16:05 - 16:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (16:06 - 16:18)
Um I just wanna I just like to please send out to the select board what the ETAs are looking like. I mean this just seems like it takes forever.

[Speaker 3] (16:19 - 16:21)
It does. It it is a long process. I spoke to the chief yesterday.

[Speaker 3] (16:22 - 16:34)
And he says there is a procedure that they absolute need to follow with background checks and to make sure they're hiring somebody that doesn't have any issues that would be hiring permanently.

[Speaker 5] (16:34 - 16:48)
I get that, but we've had conversations before here at the select board when we actually identified the real the timeline on the process on how long it should take and I'd just like to know if we're in compliance with that.

[Speaker 5] (16:48 - 16:52)
Timeline, if if we're getting everything done to

[Speaker 3] (16:53 - 17:05)
I said I spoke to the chief yesterday and he says that he's following everything to a T and the process is moving forward. Yep, they've had two oral boards. I spoke with him earlier today, they have five potential candidates right now.

[Speaker 3] (17:06 - 17:08)
So now you have to vet those before we can,

[Speaker 3] (17:08 - 17:11)
he present them to me and then I would make the offer.

[Speaker 5] (17:12 - 17:16)
And so what is the ETA looking like for somebody being presented to you?

[Speaker 3] (17:17 - 17:21)
potentially within the next two to three weeks on a lateral.

[Speaker 5] (17:22 - 17:23)
Two to three weeks for a lateral?

[Speaker 3] (17:24 - 17:32)
Yes, and the reason I asked the same question because when he applied he had some of his references were references from a couple of years ago,

[Speaker 3] (17:32 - 17:35)
so we wanted to make sure those references were up to date.

[Speaker 5] (17:36 - 17:36)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (17:38 - 17:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (17:39 - 17:39)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 5] (17:40 - 17:41)
Hi, I have a couple questions.

[Speaker 4] (17:41 - 17:42)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (17:42 - 17:48)
Um first of all congratulations and thank you for all the work you've been doing and your reappointment. Um

[Speaker 3] (17:48 - 17:48)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (17:48 - 18:06)
I you. know you've done a lot, you've been doing two jobs and I appreciate it. Um my first question is what is the cadence or have we established one for beach testing for the summer? Do we have any idea how frequently, what beaches we're testing, have we

[Speaker 5] (18:07 - 18:14)
worked on that, talked about it. I know committees, boards are kind of operating independently and talking about it, but I

[Speaker 3] (18:14 - 18:14)
So

[Speaker 5] (18:14 - 18:17)
wanna get an understanding of where we are for the we're already in June, so I wanna know.

[Speaker 3] (18:17 - 18:20)
Exactly, so it's a Katie Red.

[Speaker 3] (18:21 - 18:27)
We are testing, well, the board of health, and I want to take credit for that, is testing the three beaches. They're gonna do it for thirty days.

[Speaker 8] (18:27 - 18:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (18:27 - 18:36)
They're gonna present that information to a professor at northeastern to see who stand with those. And if the results are positive, there'd be no need to So continue.

[Speaker 5] (18:36 - 18:39)
are they testing it on a daily basis, weekly basis,

[Speaker 3] (18:39 - 18:39)
Right

[Speaker 5] (18:39 - 18:39)
daily?

[Speaker 3] (18:39 - 18:41)
now we're doing five days a week.

[Speaker 5] (18:41 - 18:42)
Five days a week,

[Speaker 3] (18:42 - 18:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (18:42 - 18:43)
okay, for the next month.

[Speaker 3] (18:43 - 18:43)
For the next month.

[Speaker 5] (18:43 - 18:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (18:44 - 18:46)
And then I believe Jeff does it, or the board of health does it

[Speaker 3] (18:47 - 18:49)
One day a week or two days a week, I don't know exactly.

[Speaker 1] (18:49 - 18:53)
And, okay, and will one set of data for under the design consent degree,

[Speaker 5] (18:54 - 18:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (18:54 - 18:58)
that's the that's what Jeff does. And then the Board of Health was additional

[Speaker 5] (18:58 - 18:58)
That's the state.

[Speaker 1] (18:58 - 18:59)
prices. And that's the

[Speaker 3] (18:59 - 18:59)
state, The state,

[Speaker 1] (18:59 - 18:59)
yes,

[Speaker 3] (18:59 - 18:59)
state,

[Speaker 1] (18:59 - 19:00)
really not to the state, sorry.

[Speaker 3] (19:00 - 19:00)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (19:00 - 19:03)
But he's required to do that and he

[Speaker 5] (19:03 - 19:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (19:03 - 19:03)
will

[Speaker 3] (19:03 - 19:04)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (19:04 - 19:13)
continue to do that. Uh-huh. The additional thirty days of five days a week testing was put forward by the Board of Health as a plan to determine if the testing was required all summer.

[Speaker 1] (19:13 - 19:21)
Or if we had thirty days of clean testing where we should be focusing our resources, so that they had some data points to go on.

[Speaker 5] (19:21 - 19:27)
Right, so that thirty days will be before any of the rec programmes start, because there'll be paddle board, right?

[Speaker 3] (19:27 - 19:30)
No, well the thirty days started this week. So they got

[Speaker 5] (19:30 - 19:30)
Started

[Speaker 3] (19:30 - 19:30)
a late jump

[Speaker 5] (19:30 - 19:30)
this week.

[Speaker 3] (19:30 - 19:31)
on it. Yep.

[Speaker 5] (19:31 - 19:35)
Okay, so are we thinking like how that's gonna affect any of the programmes that we run?

[Speaker 3] (19:35 - 19:37)
Yep. As I talked to Danielle today,

[Speaker 3] (19:37 - 19:41)
I think we're better off right now just keeping the paddle boat programme at Eisman's.

[Speaker 6] (19:41 - 19:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (19:42 - 19:43)
And so proven otherwise.

[Speaker 6] (19:43 - 19:45)
Okay. Great. Um

[Speaker 3] (19:45 - 19:52)
To hear further the question, we're gonna continue testing King's Beach for the next three months, every day, as part of the U_V_ pilot Yep. programme.

[Speaker 6] (19:52 - 19:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (19:52 - 19:54)
And if we can get the volunteers similar

[Speaker 2] (20:02 - 20:11)
Right 'cause we probably could get more college students like the one that we that you did get, right? There might be others that are off for the summer or whatever that would be interested. And Or

[Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:13)
we get three of them last year, they were phenomenal.

[Speaker 2] (20:13 - 20:14)
Yeah. Great.

[Speaker 1] (20:14 - 20:15)
But yet they have to really be committed.

[Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:23)
Yeah, so we'll have those results. We'll also have King's Beach up on the dashboard, the same dashboard we had last year. How will that?

[Speaker 1] (20:23 - 20:30)
It might be a little glitch with getting up on the dashboard, they have for the King's Beach stuff, but we are working on it. Uh we did it would have another

[Speaker 2] (20:30 - 20:32)
be accessible for residents to see. They

[Speaker 1] (20:32 - 20:32)
were gonna wanna write, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (20:32 - 20:33)
see each day.

[Speaker 1] (20:33 - 20:39)
We had a plan, but we lost another vol uh volunteer for the water surveillance which actually at three o'clock today.

[Speaker 2] (20:39 - 20:41)
I heard that too. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (20:41 - 20:41)
Um

[Speaker 2] (20:42 - 20:44)
I have one other thing, hold on one second.

[Speaker 2] (20:48 - 20:56)
The Hawthorne Reuse Committee, where are we? Like what point are we at? I know that there are some sketches or drawings

[Speaker 3] (20:56 - 20:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (20:56 - 20:57)
up on our website.

[Speaker 1] (20:57 - 20:59)
Yeah, I believe this over a dozen.

[Speaker 4] (20:59 - 21:01)
The chair, if you don't mind me,

[Speaker 1] (21:01 - 21:01)
Uh please.

[Speaker 4] (21:01 - 21:05)
the chair is has requested to come to the next meeting to give a short presentation.

[Speaker 2] (21:06 - 21:06)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (21:06 - 21:07)
So there'll be an update on that.

[Speaker 2] (21:08 - 21:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (21:09 - 21:12)
And then my last question is the building department, the building commissioner.

[Speaker 1] (21:12 - 21:12)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (21:12 - 21:15)
Did he actually start and were we able to close the loop with not?

[Speaker 1] (21:17 - 21:21)
He started two weeks ago. He's been in every morning at seven o'clock,

[Speaker 2] (21:21 - 21:21)
Awesome.

[Speaker 1] (21:21 - 21:22)
can attest to that.

[Speaker 2] (21:22 - 21:22)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (21:22 - 21:29)
Doing a great job. He has some numbers that he's gonna present to me for the next meeting on how much revenue he's already brought in right now and

[Speaker 2] (21:29 - 21:29)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (21:29 - 21:33)
things are progressing real nicely there. The agreement went and ha has not been signed.

[Speaker 2] (21:34 - 21:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (21:34 - 21:39)
It's been drafted. We both have the same um very comfortable it's gonna be signed both way.

[Speaker 2] (21:39 - 21:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (21:39 - 21:42)
They just had a little get they have a new interim town administrator

[Speaker 2] (21:42 - 21:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (21:42 - 21:42)
as well.

[Speaker 2] (21:42 - 21:45)
Right. So maybe uh at our next meeting you'll have an update on that

[Speaker 1] (21:45 - 21:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (21:45 - 21:46)
to let us know.

[Speaker 1] (21:46 - 21:47)
I'll have a signed agreement for sure.

[Speaker 2] (21:47 - 21:48)
Great. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (21:48 - 21:49)
Was there interim?

[Speaker 1] (21:50 - 21:54)
Alice Nieto. Yep, she's their finance director.

[Speaker 1] (21:54 - 21:56)
It's just been appointed the

[Speaker 1] (21:58 - 21:59)
interim town administrator.

[Speaker 1] (22:00 - 22:00)
Huh.

[Speaker 4] (22:03 - 22:06)
Okay. Is that it for the T_A_ report?

[Speaker 1] (22:06 - 22:08)
I uh I don't wanna belabor this.

[Speaker 4] (22:08 - 22:08)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (22:08 - 22:16)
And there this is a question that could go on a long time, but um there's a lot of equipment for the U_V_ pilot. I don't think you mentioned that. Unless I missed it.

[Speaker 5] (22:16 - 22:17)
No.

[Speaker 1] (22:17 - 22:22)
Yeah. Um do you wanna try to give the briefest s update for people?

[Speaker 5] (22:22 - 22:27)
We can, yep. So the U_V_ pilot, from what you all seen at the intersection of Humphry and Eastern Ave.

[Speaker 5] (22:27 - 22:35)
It was supposed to go online on Monday. It was unable to go online because the suction pumps sucked in a lot of seaweed.

[Speaker 5] (22:36 - 22:47)
Most people that have been driving down the beach in the last couple of weeks have seen the excessive amount of seaweed on the beach. It's since migrated back out, but in the interim the pumps were taking a lot of seaweed, clogged the pumps, so we had to shut the system down,

[Speaker 5] (22:48 - 22:52)
remove the seaweed, and we'll hope to fire it up again tomorrow.

[Speaker 5] (22:54 - 22:54)
And there's a ribbon

[Speaker 4] (22:54 - 22:54)
Do

[Speaker 5] (22:54 - 22:55)
cutting.

[Speaker 4] (22:55 - 22:59)
you do does your staff have to do that work, or is there a crew that does that?

[Speaker 5] (22:59 - 23:08)
Yeah, there's a crew that does it. There wa Sunbelt we rented the pumps from. But in it, once it gets set set up and running, it's gonna be between linen swamps got to monitor it daily.

[Speaker 4] (23:10 - 23:11)
And there's a cadence you guys have already worked out

[Speaker 5] (23:11 - 23:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (23:11 - 23:12)
for monitoring?

[Speaker 5] (23:13 - 23:13)
That's right.

[Speaker 5] (23:13 - 23:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (23:13 - 23:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (23:14 - 23:21)
And then this isn't really a question for you, but I just think it should be noted just kind of where things are at to give everyone an update on the T_A_ search.

[Speaker 1] (23:22 - 23:22)
Um

[Speaker 1] (23:23 - 23:30)
right, so uh you know uh search firm was hired, the job is posted, I believe, at this point.

[Speaker 5] (23:30 - 23:31)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (23:31 - 23:31)
Um

[Speaker 5] (23:31 - 23:32)
and yesterday.

[Speaker 1] (23:32 - 23:32)
what's that?

[Speaker 5] (23:32 - 23:33)
Yesterday.

[Speaker 1] (23:34 - 23:51)
Yeah a couple coaches there too, right, but um uh and hopefully uh you know people being reached out to already and uh by the end of this month we may have uh candidates and that we would start to kind of interview them and talk with them next month. Is that right, Katie?

[Speaker 5] (23:51 - 23:52)
Selectboard next month?

[Speaker 1] (23:52 - 23:52)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (23:54 - 23:58)
Yes, I think uh how I understand the timing is the end of July is when we would

[Speaker 5] (23:58 - 23:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (23:59 - 24:00)
start interviewing them.

[Speaker 5] (24:01 - 24:01)
Next month.

[Speaker 4] (24:02 - 24:02)
Next month,

[Speaker 5] (24:02 - 24:02)
Oh, alright.

[Speaker 4] (24:02 - 24:03)
last month.

[Speaker 5] (24:03 - 24:04)
Did I say this one?

[Speaker 4] (24:04 - 24:05)
I think you did.

[Speaker 5] (24:05 - 24:05)
Huh.

[Speaker 5] (24:05 - 24:08)
I thought they would be oh, did I say this one? Okay. Run the tape.

[Speaker 4] (24:08 - 24:09)
Run the tape, I don't know.

[Speaker 5] (24:09 - 24:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (24:09 - 24:09)
But

[Speaker 1] (24:09 - 24:09)
But.

[Speaker 4] (24:09 - 24:10)
th but

[Speaker 2] (24:10 - 24:10)
I'll take those cookies.

[Speaker 4] (24:10 - 24:13)
either we agree with you or the answer is yes by the end of

[Speaker 5] (24:13 - 24:14)
July is what I

[Speaker 4] (24:14 - 24:14)
meant, should have

[Speaker 5] (24:14 - 24:14)
yes,

[Speaker 4] (24:14 - 24:19)
a group great. of candidates available for interview um

[Speaker 1] (24:19 - 24:19)
Good.

[Speaker 4] (24:19 - 24:26)
And my understanding is we will interview them in executive session and then there will be public interviews also, so

[Speaker 4] (24:31 - 24:37)
And they will also be back, I don't know if it's the next agenda or the next agenda?

[Speaker 2] (24:37 - 24:37)
The next one, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (24:37 - 24:41)
The very next agenda, um, they'll be back here to ask for another extension,

[Speaker 4] (24:42 - 24:46)
and um we can discuss any questions we have with them then.

[Speaker 4] (24:46 - 24:47)
I could ask them to come. So

[Speaker 4] (24:49 - 24:53)
Great. That concludes the report. Everybody's good?

[Speaker 2] (24:53 - 24:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (24:53 - 24:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (24:53 - 24:53)
Good.

[Speaker 1] (24:53 - 24:54)
Good.

[Speaker 4] (24:54 - 24:56)
Okay. Uh

[Speaker 4] (24:57 - 24:59)
I don't see our Eagle Scout. So

[Speaker 5] (24:59 - 25:00)
She's not here yet.

[Speaker 4] (25:00 - 25:10)
okay, so public comments. Uh public comments is available, just a reminder, we speak you speak for three minutes?

[Speaker 2] (25:10 - 25:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (25:11 - 25:12)
Okay, three minutes,

[Speaker 4] (25:12 - 25:22)
Um please state your name, your address, um and uh we do not answer to public comment. So any commentary you have we'll take note and

[Speaker 4] (25:23 - 25:28)
we won't engage back, but it's not 'cause we don't want to. So go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (25:36 - 25:40)
Good evening, Katie Arrington, 40 Roy Street, member of the Finance Committee, speaking as a resident.

[Speaker 6] (25:41 - 25:55)
I was happy to hear that the Hawthorne Reuse Committee is meeting and currently processing in process of reviewing four plans to determine what's best for the space and eventually apparently next meeting will be presenting to the greater public.

[Speaker 6] (25:56 - 25:57)
With this process in motion,

[Speaker 6] (25:57 - 26:04)
I would request that at your next meeting you consider adding an agenda item to be included in an update of St.

[Speaker 6] (26:04 - 26:07)
John's parking lot and any potential supposed agreements.

[Speaker 6] (26:07 - 26:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (26:20 - 26:21)
Hello.

[Speaker 7] (26:22 - 26:28)
I am Peter Vallis, 105 Stanley Road,

[Speaker 7] (26:28 - 26:29)
Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (26:31 - 26:35)
The topic is tax takings.

[Speaker 7] (26:36 - 26:47)
There are a number of tax takings in Swampscott. What is the procedure?

[Speaker 7] (26:48 - 27:00)
for actually acquiring unpaid tax takings and how many years have to go by before a judgment is filed.

[Speaker 7] (27:01 - 27:02)
That's all.

[Speaker 4] (27:07 - 27:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (27:08 - 27:10)
Any additional comment?

[Speaker 4] (27:19 - 27:30)
Rachel Taradash, uh 71 Middlesex Ave. I have two things. The first is for anyone that doesn't have kids at the elementary school, the field day they ran yesterday was an absolutely phenomenal success.

[Speaker 4] (27:30 - 27:33)
The kids had a great time, it was organised,

[Speaker 4] (27:33 - 27:45)
it was incredibly well run, and so every person involved in that deserves like a huge round of applause because especially for one giant school the first year, it was just unbelievable.

[Speaker 4] (27:46 - 28:10)
Um so thank you to everybody who was involved in that. Um and if you weren't, if you know someone tell them thank you. Um the other thing I wanna talk about is the buses. Um I have heard, so I'm coming to talk to you because I spoke at the school committee meeting, but they hold their public comment at the end of their meeting. So um at their last meeting, if you did not have the stamina to last the three and a half hours of the meeting to get to public comment,

[Speaker 4] (28:11 - 28:12)
um I have heard from

[Speaker 4] (28:12 - 28:17)
parents who have children who are outside of that two mile radius who are still getting the bus.

[Speaker 4] (28:17 - 28:23)
Parents who have children that have not been notified but are less than two miles from the school that maybe still have the bus.

[Speaker 4] (28:23 - 28:29)
Parents, of course, of children who have been notified that they won't have the bus, I think it's around 45 students right now.

[Speaker 4] (28:30 - 28:32)
I can't get really a direct answer on that.

[Speaker 4] (28:32 - 28:43)
But also from neighbors of the new school that they would all participate in helping to fund a bus so that our children can be bused to school and not walk across Paradise Road.

[Speaker 4] (28:43 - 28:52)
So, um thank you. I know some of you have worked with me on this, and I thank you, but um please help us continue this so we don't lose the momentum on it. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (28:56 - 28:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (29:00 - 29:01)
We have two big hands raised.

[Speaker 6] (29:01 - 29:03)
Okay, Diane, you choose.

[Speaker 9] (29:25 - 29:26)
Hello?

[Speaker 9] (29:26 - 29:26)
Hi,

[Speaker 4] (29:26 - 29:26)
There you go.

[Speaker 9] (29:26 - 29:27)
sorry we had a glitch.

[Speaker 9] (29:29 - 29:30)
We can hear you.

[Speaker 4] (29:30 - 29:31)
Go ahead. You can start,

[Speaker 4] (29:31 - 29:31)
Andrea.

[Speaker 9] (29:31 - 29:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (29:32 - 29:33)
All right. Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (29:33 - 29:35)
I just wanted to first of all, if

[Speaker 4] (29:35 - 29:37)
you wouldn't mind stating your name and your address.

[Speaker 9] (29:37 - 29:38)
Okay. Sorry.

[Speaker 9] (29:38 - 29:39)
Andrea aboard,

[Speaker 9] (29:39 - 29:40)
base station three,

[Speaker 9] (29:40 - 29:42)
15 Sheridan Road.

[Speaker 9] (29:42 - 29:49)
I just wanted to say I very much appreciate a lot of folks jumping into action in the last.

[Speaker 1] (30:13 - 30:15)
And that,

[Speaker 1] (30:15 - 30:41)
you know, it's something that a lot of people pour their heart and soul into and I also just want everyone who is using the beach to be fully informed at the same level. I really believe that like whether you're a town employee or a board member or just a regular citizen taking your kids to the beach that everybody deserves.

[Speaker 1] (30:41 - 30:48)
Well access to all this information at the moment it comes out so I appreciate everybody's demonstrated commitment to that.

[Speaker 1] (30:48 - 30:49)
Thank you

[Speaker 2] (30:51 - 30:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (30:53 - 30:55)
Diane, would you like to go to AJ?

[Speaker 3] (31:03 - 31:05)
Dr. Fazadeh, 155 up on Wood Road.

[Speaker 3] (31:06 - 31:14)
I actually just wanted to make a public comment of objection to a board member,

[Speaker 3] (31:14 - 31:25)
Doug Thompson's comments about the so-called social media quote-unquote conspiracy conversations that were happening.

[Speaker 3] (31:26 - 31:27)
I observe those conversations.

[Speaker 3] (31:27 - 31:31)
I understand that social media can seem heated.

[Speaker 3] (31:30 - 31:36)
heat at times, but at the end of the day, these were public comments being made by members of the town,

[Speaker 3] (31:36 - 31:37)
tax-paying members of the town,

[Speaker 3] (31:37 - 31:55)
who rightfully had questions about data information that our town funds are paying to get and that there were open questions about where that data was living and whether or not we could achieve, we could receive it.

[Speaker 3] (31:55 - 32:18)
I think there has been some progress made in the last year or so in the tenor of town government towards feedback from the community and I would urge all members of the select board to remember that when members of the town have opinions and have feelings about how our town is run

[Speaker 3] (32:18 - 32:26)
and how a town is managed. That is not a personal attack on folks who are in the town and running things in the town.

[Speaker 3] (32:26 - 32:33)
It is a matter of safety for us, it is a matter of care and a compassion for the town that we live in.

[Speaker 3] (32:33 - 32:41)
So just a gentle reminder we're all on the same side and I appreciate the work of all the volunteers do across all the committees and all the boards.

[Speaker 3] (32:41 - 32:41)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (32:43 - 32:43)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (32:47 - 32:53)
Diane, uh we have one more public comment. Mr. Demento, if you could allow his mic.

[Speaker 2] (32:57 - 32:59)
Go ahead, you should be able to unmute.

[Speaker 4] (33:00 - 33:04)
Thank you. Bill Demento, 1008 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 4] (33:05 - 33:07)
Two issues.

[Speaker 4] (33:07 - 33:12)
The first is the number of vacancies on the Sewer Advisory Committee,

[Speaker 4] (33:12 - 33:15)
and I don't see that on your list of appointments tonight.

[Speaker 4] (33:16 - 33:34)
I would hope you would find time while you're complaining about conspiracies to appoint a couple of new members so they can join in the efforts to address the King's speech and Fisherman's speech situation.

[Speaker 4] (33:34 - 33:40)
There's been one vacancy for a month now and I don't know why it's not getting filled.

[Speaker 4] (33:41 - 33:42)
Thank you for the time.

[Speaker 2] (33:45 - 33:46)
Thank you, Mr. Demento.

[Speaker 2] (33:49 - 33:52)
Alright, seeing no other hands or inside,

[Speaker 2] (33:52 - 33:56)
uh, here or online, we will move on to

[Speaker 2] (33:58 - 34:02)
the joint meeting with ERAC. Um

[Speaker 2] (34:04 - 34:11)
This is a joint meeting and public hearing, so we will have to have you guys call your meeting to order, open the public hearing.

[Speaker 2] (34:13 - 34:14)
Oh sorry, so we I think you guys

[Speaker 2] (34:15 - 34:19)
Since it's joint meeting, you should call your meeting to order, and then we'll open the public

[Speaker 5] (34:21 - 34:23)
Just make a motion to open the joint meeting.

[Speaker 2] (34:24 - 34:25)
Will they have to open their meeting first?

[Speaker 5] (34:26 - 34:27)
Not a problem, now.

[Speaker 2] (34:27 - 34:30)
Doesn't matter. I d I said I it doesn't matter.

[Speaker 5] (34:30 - 34:30)
Huh.

[Speaker 5] (34:33 - 34:33)
He just did.

[Speaker 2] (34:33 - 34:37)
Okay, great. Um so I'll take a motion to open public hearing.

[Speaker 5] (34:38 - 34:38)
So moved.

[Speaker 6] (34:38 - 34:39)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (34:39 - 34:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (34:41 - 34:41)
Um

[Speaker 6] (34:41 - 34:42)
All in favor.

[Speaker 2] (34:42 - 34:43)
oh sorry.

[Speaker 5] (34:43 - 34:43)
All in favor.

[Speaker 2] (34:43 - 34:44)
Thanks guys.

[Speaker 6] (34:44 - 34:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (34:44 - 34:44)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (34:44 - 34:49)
It's only the second meeting so appreciate it. Um

[Speaker 2] (34:49 - 34:52)
Okay, you guys go right ahead.

[Speaker 4] (34:53 - 34:54)
Hello,

[Speaker 4] (34:54 - 34:54)
good evening.

[Speaker 4] (34:54 - 34:59)
My name is Joe Marcharian. I am chair of the Earth Removal Advisory Committee.

[Speaker 4] (35:00 - 35:08)
I'm here with members John Poverello and Tony Vanderwitz. I don't think any of our other members are here.

[Speaker 4] (35:09 - 35:15)
And this is an annual event where we come before the select board to recommend a permit that would allow

[Speaker 4] (35:17 - 35:19)
wholesome, formerly aggregate,

[Speaker 4] (35:19 - 35:28)
to operate for the permit year beginning July 1st, 2025 and ending June 30th, 2026.

[Speaker 4] (35:28 - 35:37)
I think you should have a brief memo which summarizes some of the changes. Every year we look at the

[Speaker 4] (35:38 - 35:54)
permit with the idea of streamlining it, in lining it, clarifying languages um making things make sense, and we've continued to do that in in this permit recommendation. What we have not done is touched

[Speaker 7] (35:55 - 36:18)
Well, let me say it this way. This permit is substantially unchanged from the permit that emerged from the s settlement agreement last year. Uh particularly uh section ten where the blasting parameters and restrictions are are indicated and and are the primary protections for the residents in the area. Um we've gone through the year with uh with wholesome and

[Speaker 7] (36:19 - 36:39)
And um they conducted this past year an twenty four twenty eight blast, they uh had thirty two blasts the year before, they have eight blasts so far this year. Chris Drukus, legal counsel is here uh from Holcim, and he can introduce uh his his p uh the other person that's with him. Is it Steve?

[Speaker 3] (36:39 - 36:39)
Steve

[Speaker 7] (36:39 - 36:39)
S

[Speaker 3] (36:39 - 36:40)
is Steve, I think.

[Speaker 7] (36:40 - 36:42)
Steve Landry. I wasn't he didn't recognise you, sorry.

[Speaker 5] (36:43 - 36:43)
Rake

[Speaker 7] (36:43 - 36:46)
And and um and it's um

[Speaker 7] (36:47 - 36:50)
I know there will be questions about have we received complaints,

[Speaker 7] (36:50 - 36:58)
very few, and we do, they usually come to John or to Marcy Galaska and

[Speaker 7] (36:59 - 37:11)
The anybody who complains is immediately gets a response and they are told how they might file a complaint and we encourage them to do that.

[Speaker 7] (37:11 - 37:24)
This past year we also conducted a public meeting which is required by the permit in this room with where the people can question the wholesome in the quarry operation. Very few people attended this year.

[Speaker 7] (37:25 - 37:30)
hopefully more next year. We sent out pre-blast surveys, our Folsom did,

[Speaker 7] (37:30 - 37:51)
at our request to about eighty five of the abutting residents, indicating to them that they have the opportunity to have their house surveyed by camera inside and out. We have encouraged them because if they do have a blast complaint it's imperative that they have some evidence that their house was in

[Speaker 7] (37:52 - 38:08)
better condition before than after and um I don't know what the numbers are in terms of how many requests came. This is not the first time that they've gotten these letters, so it might be just people who have uh since moved into the neighbourhood. Um these surveys are

[Speaker 7] (38:09 - 38:25)
Blast surveys are only required to be extended to people within 250 feet of the boundary or where the blast is, I think, and we go beyond that. And if somebody even beyond where we are makes the request, we're certainly going to pass it along.

[Speaker 7] (38:26 - 38:28)
So that being said,

[Speaker 7] (38:28 - 38:34)
I can summarize the changes that we've suggested and get comments.

[Speaker 7] (38:35 - 38:38)
But first of all we changed the dates of course to reflect the new year.

[Speaker 7] (38:39 - 38:56)
There were a number of sections in the permit where it was specified that documentation relative to that particular provision be posted on the town website. We talked a lot about that and decided that

[Speaker 7] (38:57 - 39:12)
Having that information available for public viewing in the office of community and economic development would probably carry the day that we didn't have to or it shouldn't be necessary to post everything that comes in from wholesome.

[Speaker 7] (39:12 - 39:14)
That was one thing.

[Speaker 7] (39:14 - 39:21)
There was a provision that said every year wholesome had to recommend improvements.

[Speaker 7] (39:23 - 39:25)
at the entranceway to control dust.

[Speaker 7] (39:26 - 39:44)
We changed that to that they would have to every year monitor and assess the dust control measures and if changes were warranted then those changes would take place. There's only so much that one that they can do and they do. It was a provision

[Speaker 1] (39:58 - 40:05)
um that they assess wind direction every year and every year they they develop a new

[Speaker 1] (40:06 - 40:07)
wind rose.

[Speaker 1] (40:08 - 40:23)
I don't think it's been done and what we've said is if their consultant comes in and assesses wind direction and there is a change then that change ought to be noted and we should be informed.

[Speaker 1] (40:25 - 40:27)
I don't see wind that changing very often.

[Speaker 1] (40:29 - 40:32)
Heavy metals testing takes place every five years.

[Speaker 1] (40:32 - 40:36)
The last report was in 2019.

[Speaker 1] (40:37 - 40:39)
There should have been one. There will be one, I think.

[Speaker 1] (40:40 - 40:44)
very soon, and then the next one is due for 2029.

[Speaker 1] (40:45 - 40:53)
The original provision talked about the protocols and the frequency of these tests being established by the Board of Health.

[Speaker 1] (40:53 - 40:55)
That's really not taken place.

[Speaker 1] (40:56 - 41:08)
So what we've talked about is that the protocols would be established by Folsom and its consultant and the Board of Health would be informed of those and would have opportunity

[Speaker 1] (41:07 - 41:11)
opportunity to comment on on those provisions and those protocols.

[Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:16)
A sys,

[Speaker 1] (41:16 - 41:27)
I we could, uh a seismograph monitoring um we get blast reports very shortly after every blast, it goes to the fire department where um

[Speaker 1] (41:28 - 41:36)
Bob Faulkner is now our representative from the fire department, receives them, and John Picarello also receives those blast reports.

[Speaker 1] (41:36 - 41:40)
And they are reviewed every time a blast takes place.

[Speaker 1] (41:40 - 41:47)
And so we took out the requirement that weekly blast reports are necessary because we're getting them routinely anyways.

[Speaker 1] (41:50 - 41:58)
The closure plan requirements, closure is a funny thing, the way the wording said, it almost sounded like uh closure had to be reviewed every five years.

[Speaker 1] (41:59 - 42:16)
In fact, the scope of what a closure plan would be needs to be reviewed every five years and and so we wanted to make that clear and and again that specified the two thousand twenty nine, I guess I misspoke earlier when I talked about the heavy metals test, it was the closure plan that's in two thousand twenty nine.

[Speaker 1] (42:18 - 42:21)
On expiration and renewal,

[Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:29)
there is language that says that wholesome must be in substantial compliance with this permit in order to receive approval of a new permit.

[Speaker 1] (42:30 - 42:35)
We define substantial compliance as determined by ERAC.

[Speaker 1] (42:35 - 42:39)
So it's up to us to determine whether they are in compliance or not.

[Speaker 1] (42:40 - 42:42)
And the last one was just...

[Speaker 1] (42:43 - 42:44)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (42:45 - 43:03)
we just added noise tests to the air quality test in section twenty nine E, which again related to expiration and renewals. Uh it wasn't in there, so we thought we should include it in there. And uh that's it for the suggested changes for this for this permit. Um happy to take any que questions.

[Speaker 2] (43:06 - 43:07)
Does anybody have need to start?

[Speaker 2] (43:08 - 43:09)
Saber?

[Speaker 2] (43:09 - 43:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (43:09 - 43:17)
Yeah, Joe, thank you for all of your work and all of the work of the uh of the ERAG. Uh so thanks. Uh a few questions.

[Speaker 3] (43:18 - 43:23)
uh just about the heavy metals testing. You said it would be done soon. Is there any Uh

[Speaker 1] (43:23 - 43:24)
I'm sorry. So I speak a little louder.

[Speaker 3] (43:24 - 43:35)
you you you had talked about heavy metal testing and about how it would be done uh soon. Any any can you can you specify and and hai and give us any greater clarity as to when that

[Speaker 1] (43:35 - 43:35)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (43:35 - 43:35)
will

[Speaker 1] (43:35 - 43:44)
the the the heavy metals testing was originally intended to c to occur every year, and it's not the type of uh testing that that really

[Speaker 1] (43:44 - 43:55)
We we we talked about it a lot um and we decided that every five years would be enough. The last test in two thousand nineteen there was a an inquiry we got from a

[Speaker 1] (43:56 - 44:05)
not a resident but a person looking to move into the neighbourhood, and they had read the report and there was a reference to arsenic levels being a little bit high,

[Speaker 1] (44:05 - 44:24)
and they were concerned about that. So that's what us look at the tests again. Um Tony reviewed that that report, uh we've all read it read it as well and the the reference to the arsenic was was there, but it wasn't in the context of being a threat to to human health. So um and Tony passed that along to the to the resident.

[Speaker 1] (44:24 - 44:39)
Um, I would defer to Craig. I forgot, I've forgotten exactly. We're having a heavy metals test this year? This year, okay. And that report will be available uh and and we can make that available to the the select board uh routinely as well, all of our tests.

[Speaker 3] (44:40 - 44:51)
Well thanks. Just and one other question you talked about substantial compliance as defined by ERAC. Was there any was there any issue with with blasting within the uh the confines of the of the previously approved permit?

[Speaker 3] (44:52 - 44:54)
in the last fiscal year.

[Speaker 1] (44:54 - 44:59)
John reviews the BLAST program BLAST results.

[Speaker 4] (44:59 - 45:19)
Um yeah, the the they are well within the parameters of the permit um for this year and and I I don't think there was anything discrepancy last year as well. I get the data probably within twenty four hours of a blast and I review it and I log it in to a chart and

[Speaker 4] (45:20 - 45:23)
All the data is within the parameters of the permit.

[Speaker 4] (45:23 - 45:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (45:23 - 45:24)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (45:24 - 45:30)
Yeah and I would also say John does monitor the social media when people when there is a lot of

[Speaker 1] (45:31 - 45:44)
conversation about blast and and the intensity of blast and so he monitors that to hear what people's taking and and typically what will happen is we'll when we get a complaint like that we'll immediately look at the results of the blast.

[Speaker 1] (45:44 - 45:52)
And very often they're within parameters. Uh there are external features that that affect blast impacts.

[Speaker 1] (45:53 - 46:05)
barometric pressure, cloud cover, wind, what direction the blast is going in, where in the quarry it is. So there's there's there's other factors other than and variables other than the parameters and the restrictions that we set.

[Speaker 4] (46:07 - 46:20)
I periodically get phone calls from residents that have a question and I give them as much information as I can to include the data from the previous blast that they're concerned about.

[Speaker 4] (46:20 - 46:33)
So, I mean, we re they they reach out to us uh whenever they have a question and or concern. Um we direct them to either the fire department or whomever they need to go to to get

[Speaker 4] (46:34 - 46:35)
comfortable with the results.

[Speaker 2] (46:39 - 46:39)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (46:39 - 46:40)
I have a couple questions.

[Speaker 5] (46:40 - 46:45)
Um so I have a few questions so you could just indulge me here.

[Speaker 5] (46:45 - 46:49)
So we're saying that there is were no claims this year whatsoever.

[Speaker 1] (46:50 - 46:59)
Well, when you say claims, y uh when when we hear the word claim, we're thinking written, filed claim with the fire department,

[Speaker 5] (46:59 - 47:00)
Right I would think.

[Speaker 1] (47:00 - 47:05)
not not verbal or oral complaints. Um and I don't think there have been any.

[Speaker 4] (47:05 - 47:08)
Um no uh we um

[Speaker 4] (47:09 - 47:30)
The prior fire department representative to ERA has retired, uh James Potts, and Robert Faulkner has now taken his place and he's trying to get everything aligned to understand what what the job actually means. Um I don't think he's actually looked at prior years to see if

[Speaker 4] (47:31 - 47:37)
And when any other complaints have come in, I don't believe he's received any so far this year.

[Speaker 5] (47:37 - 47:39)
Okay, because the permit,

[Speaker 5] (47:39 - 47:44)
last year's permit required all claims be also copied to the select board.

[Speaker 5] (47:44 - 47:46)
So we never received a claim,

[Speaker 5] (47:46 - 47:48)
so I just want to make sure there has been no claim.

[Speaker 1] (47:48 - 47:49)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (47:49 - 47:54)
I'd also point out about claims. The claims have to be filed with the fire department,

[Speaker 1] (47:54 - 47:55)
which does a review,

[Speaker 1] (47:55 - 47:57)
but then it...

[Speaker 1] (47:56 - 48:08)
it goes to the insurance companies and the the um two parties are the resident and the insurance company. The town's not involved in it at all. So it's So uh

[Speaker 5] (48:08 - 48:16)
the involvement of the town is if there is a claim that's being filed with the fire department, the select board is supposed to be getting a copy of it.

[Speaker 1] (48:17 - 48:17)
We'll make sure that happens.

[Speaker 5] (48:17 - 48:19)
Okay, it's just in the permit.

[Speaker 1] (48:19 - 48:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (48:20 - 48:21)
So um

[Speaker 5] (48:22 - 48:24)
The other question that I have

[Speaker 5] (48:26 - 48:27)
is

[Speaker 5] (48:29 - 48:30)
let me just see here.

[Speaker 5] (48:32 - 48:38)
On the testing, it says here in the permit that it's, the heavy metals is once a year, but you're saying

[Speaker 1] (48:38 - 48:38)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (48:38 - 48:39)
every five?

[Speaker 1] (48:39 - 48:49)
Well, we're and I'll let I'll let Chris address that. We did say that we've we decided that every year is probably a bit of overkill.

[Speaker 1] (48:49 - 48:50)
Um

[Speaker 1] (48:51 - 48:54)
We do we do um

[Speaker 1] (48:55 - 48:57)
air monitoring every year.

[Speaker 1] (48:57 - 49:08)
Uh we do n noise testing every year. So the the heavy metals is is sort of in addition to and and, you know, as I say it I I'd let Chris address that.

[Speaker 5] (49:09 - 49:09)
I can

[Speaker 1] (49:10 - 49:10)
What did you wanna say?

[Speaker 1] (49:11 - 49:12)
Uh,

[Speaker 1] (49:12 - 49:13)
Tony can add something.

[Speaker 6] (49:13 - 49:35)
I mean, just, you know, I, it was brought up that perhaps the testing doesn't have to be every year but for this permit we definitely wanted it done and I think it's going to be done as my understanding in the summer so we'll get some results we can look at and determine in the next permit whether there needs to be a change in the schedule. So

[Speaker 5] (49:35 - 49:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (49:36 - 49:38)
for now they have to do it.

[Speaker 5] (49:38 - 49:39)
do it under this permit.

[Speaker 3] (49:39 - 49:40)
I stand corrected.

[Speaker 2] (49:41 - 49:42)
Thank you. And um

[Speaker 2] (49:43 - 49:54)
I personally would like to see the results of those tests posted on the website so that people can actually find them on the website and not have to go to town hall and and to look for things.

[Speaker 3] (49:55 - 49:57)
Yeah, we can do that. I think posting

[Speaker 3] (49:58 - 50:00)
All of the test results happens routinely.

[Speaker 2] (50:00 - 50:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (50:01 - 50:07)
Uh and and Marcy does that sound right? Yeah. So th so test results do get onto the website.

[Speaker 3] (50:07 - 50:11)
We're talking about uh the other stuff, all the filings and

[Speaker 2] (50:11 - 50:11)
and Right.

[Speaker 3] (50:11 - 50:13)
yeah, and just uh just a lot of paper.

[Speaker 2] (50:13 - 50:22)
Okay. And then there was one section in here where there was going to be uh notification going to ERAC and to the Board of Health.

[Speaker 2] (50:23 - 50:36)
And I just think that any type of notifications or something that's important should also come through the select board only because we get a little bit more visibility for people or announcements, but I can't.

[Speaker 3] (50:36 - 50:37)
Yeah, um w a notification

[Speaker 4] (50:37 - 50:37)
I forgot.

[Speaker 3] (50:37 - 50:38)
of

[Speaker 2] (50:38 - 50:38)
Notifications.

[Speaker 3] (50:38 - 50:41)
what of any any sort do you have in mind?

[Speaker 2] (50:41 - 50:42)
I think it was

[Speaker 4] (50:42 - 50:43)
That's I think it's the heavy metal testing.

[Speaker 2] (50:44 - 50:46)
The heavy metal testing I have um

[Speaker 2] (50:48 - 50:50)
Let me just see here okay.

[Speaker 3] (50:50 - 51:02)
The only notifications do occur routinely when there are going when blasts occur. There's a as I recall there's a 48 hour notice, and then a two hour notice and a one hour notice that goes to an email list.

[Speaker 3] (51:03 - 51:06)
You can certainly add the select board to that.

[Speaker 2] (51:06 - 51:08)
Alright, that would be great. Um

[Speaker 2] (51:09 - 51:11)
And then my the last thing I um

[Speaker 2] (51:13 - 51:21)
I did attend that public hearing, which I really appreciated. I thought it was a very informative. And I thought there was a good amount of people here. And, you know,

[Speaker 2] (51:21 - 51:23)
not compared to the amount of people that get a notice,

[Speaker 2] (51:24 - 51:25)
but hopefully it'll catch on.

[Speaker 2] (51:26 - 51:28)
And I have to tell you that,

[Speaker 2] (51:28 - 51:31)
you know, through the lawsuit and everything,

[Speaker 2] (51:31 - 51:39)
we had a lot of meetings and we got to know each other and everything was fine. But when I attended that meeting, I was really taken back.

[Speaker 2] (51:39 - 51:48)
by what the public was saying, what the neighbors were saying. And I walked away understanding that they just felt like it doesn't matter if I complain,

[Speaker 2] (51:48 - 51:49)
nothing happens,

[Speaker 2] (51:50 - 51:53)
nothing happens. And that is very concerning,

[Speaker 2] (51:53 - 51:56)
very concerning to me because you're running a business,

[Speaker 2] (51:57 - 51:58)
you're making,

[Speaker 2] (51:58 - 52:03)
I hope, a profit, and then I'm listening to residents say,

[Speaker 2] (52:03 - 52:10)
My house, there's a, there's a blast, I get a crack in my wall and nothing gets done.

[Speaker 2] (52:10 - 52:21)
And there was a a sense of hopelessness from many many many people. I think it's fair to say from many of the people there. So I really would like to find a way how do we resolve that because

[Speaker 2] (52:22 - 52:29)
if people feel that their homes are being damaged and that they're having to fight with an insurance company

[Speaker 2] (52:30 - 52:43)
and your company is feeling like hey it's you know we turn it over to the insurance company it's not us anymore I feel like there's a there's an issue there and that the residents aren't really being taken care of so

[Speaker 3] (52:44 - 52:48)
Well, it's it's it's up to the residents to file a complaint. I mean we can't

[Speaker 2] (52:48 - 52:48)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (52:48 - 52:50)
anticipate who's got damage or who doesn't.

[Speaker 2] (52:50 - 52:51)
I understand.

[Speaker 3] (52:51 - 52:57)
They really have to take the initiative and we've done um try to i inform them as to what the process is.

[Speaker 3] (52:57 - 53:08)
And we will continue to do that. Uh we as I say that that uh list of 85 abutters we can send out a notice to them to remind them before the season starts and we can do that.

[Speaker 2] (53:08 - 53:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (53:08 - 53:10)
But it's it's really their initiative.

[Speaker 5] (53:11 - 53:11)
Go

[Speaker 2] (53:11 - 53:11)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (53:11 - 53:12)
ahead Winston.

[Speaker 2] (53:12 - 53:31)
I'm just wondering if it's really on on us as a community. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, I'm just wondering it's more of us as a community we need to do a better job of educating people. I I'm David, you live in the neighbourhood, you might have a better idea. I just after leaving that meeting I just thought something something's amiss here.

[Speaker 5] (53:33 - 53:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (53:33 - 53:39)
Yeah, I mean, I I think it's just continue continuing to remind folks what the process what the procedures are.

[Speaker 6] (53:40 - 53:59)
Um, certainly the pre-blast surveys, certainly um you know when Iraq meetings are are are happening uh and when the permit uh renewal is happening, and I think having those uh those open dialogues and those discussions are are certainly helpful uh and informative to the public as a whole.

[Speaker 3] (53:59 - 54:01)
We'll talk about that, and we will come up with something.

[Speaker 2] (54:01 - 54:05)
How many pe is it how many people get uh how many people

[Speaker 2] (54:06 - 54:09)
Do get a pre blast survey do we know off the top of

[Speaker 3] (54:09 - 54:09)
our We

[Speaker 2] (54:09 - 54:09)
heads?

[Speaker 3] (54:09 - 54:12)
sent out notices to, or Polson did to b I think it was eighty five residents.

[Speaker 2] (54:12 - 54:13)
Eighty five people.

[Speaker 3] (54:13 - 54:14)
And maybe ninety.

[Speaker 2] (54:14 - 54:16)
Do we know how many answered that?

[Speaker 6] (54:16 - 54:17)
I don't know off the top of my head.

[Speaker 2] (54:17 - 54:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (54:19 - 54:20)
It wasn't many.

[Speaker 3] (54:20 - 54:20)
No.

[Speaker 2] (54:20 - 54:21)
All right maybe we can

[Speaker 3] (54:21 - 54:24)
And it might be because they had the surveys done previously too.

[Speaker 3] (54:26 - 54:27)
This is not the first time.

[Speaker 2] (54:29 - 54:30)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (54:36 - 54:43)
The only comment I wanted to make, which I was glad you the closure planning.

[Speaker 4] (54:43 - 54:52)
It wasn't really a comment to this permit but more just looking into the future, what that looks like and how we solidify a plan going

[Speaker 3] (54:52 - 54:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (54:52 - 54:53)
forward.

[Speaker 4] (54:53 - 54:54)
I think it's really important.

[Speaker 3] (54:54 - 54:57)
What I'll say about this, when we built this school

[Speaker 3] (54:58 - 55:04)
We were in negotiations with aggregate at the time to get the easement for the soccer field.

[Speaker 2] (55:04 - 55:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (55:04 - 55:06)
And of course the question was asked,

[Speaker 3] (55:07 - 55:15)
what's the lifespan on this on this quarry? This was twenty two twenty three years ago and we were told fifty years.

[Speaker 3] (55:15 - 55:20)
More recent conversations this year, what's the lifespan on this quarry? Eh,

[Speaker 3] (55:20 - 55:26)
about fifty years. So we're we're pretty far away and and the

[Speaker 3] (55:27 - 55:32)
It really, the closure plan is really not relevant until we get around 10 years.

[Speaker 3] (55:33 - 55:37)
That's when the planning really needs to start. Before that, it's just,

[Speaker 3] (55:37 - 55:42)
you know, just continuing to remind them that you've got to be thinking about this.

[Speaker 3] (55:42 - 55:47)
It's not, much of the closure plan is how are you going to fill this hole?

[Speaker 3] (55:47 - 55:48)
What are you going to fill it with?

[Speaker 3] (55:49 - 55:51)
And how are you going to get the water out?

[Speaker 3] (55:53 - 56:00)
Technology can change, materials can change, so getting fine detail on that just didn't seem to make a lot of sense to us.

[Speaker 4] (56:00 - 56:04)
Yeah, I think I I didn't realise 50 years was the new 50 years, so

[Speaker 2] (56:04 - 56:05)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (56:05 - 56:05)
it's

[Speaker 4] (56:05 - 56:06)
to your point there.

[Speaker 3] (56:06 - 56:07)
And it's

[Speaker 4] (56:07 - 56:10)
I guess how do we know that that's accurate,

[Speaker 4] (56:10 - 56:11)
I guess.

[Speaker 3] (56:11 - 56:13)
for ERAC to press also

[Speaker 4] (56:13 - 56:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (56:13 - 56:15)
on what's going on.

[Speaker 4] (56:15 - 56:20)
Yeah, because I don't want it to be 50 years and then find out it's actually 15 years and we don't have a plan in place.

[Speaker 3] (56:20 - 56:27)
I will say back 20 years ago the estimate was that the quarry land could support 300 single-family houses.

[Speaker 2] (56:27 - 56:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (56:29 - 56:30)
Give you something to think about.

[Speaker 2] (56:32 - 56:33)
I have one more question, Hedy. Um,

[Speaker 1] (56:33 - 56:33)
Please.

[Speaker 2] (56:33 - 56:39)
how does uh Fosters Dam play into the quarry?

[Speaker 6] (56:42 - 56:42)
Huh.

[Speaker 3] (56:42 - 56:58)
That's what Jordan said. The the water that accumulates in the quarry is at the lowest point, and the quarry pumps that water into a holding pond adjacent to Fosters Pond so that if there's any sediment

[Speaker 3] (56:59 - 57:27)
dust or whatever it has a chance to settle. There's a weir at the end of that holding pond that controls the height level of that water in the holding pond. And then that water goes through and filters right through Foster's Pond to Windsor Ave where there's an outfall pipe that leads takes the water elevation you know when it's really high takes the water at Windsor Avenue and heads it off into a conservation area.

[Speaker 3] (57:28 - 57:30)
behind the houses on Windsor Ave.

[Speaker 3] (57:30 - 57:34)
It eventually goes through the land,

[Speaker 3] (57:34 - 57:42)
or the woods rather, and ends up on Mason Road and then down to Eastern Avenue right out to Stacy's Brook.

[Speaker 7] (57:42 - 57:43)
Linside.

[Speaker 3] (57:44 - 57:44)
Hmm?

[Speaker 7] (57:45 - 57:46)
Stacy's Brook on the Linside.

[Speaker 7] (57:49 - 57:50)
So I hope you know that.

[Speaker 6] (57:50 - 57:51)
Thank you for being precise.

[Speaker 2] (57:51 - 57:52)
Thanks for the clarification.

[Speaker 3] (57:52 - 57:59)
Now, in prior years when they were actually monitoring that holding pond for clarity and chemicals,

[Speaker 3] (58:00 - 58:16)
I actually recorded them from month to month through a year. They could pump as much as 120 million gallons in a year through Foster's Pond, usually 20 to 30 million gallons a month.

[Speaker 7] (58:18 - 58:20)
That snow accumulation,

[Speaker 7] (58:20 - 58:20)
rain,

[Speaker 7] (58:20 - 58:22)
what have you, I

[Speaker 7] (58:24 - 58:28)
think they have stopped testing the water leaving the holding pond

[Speaker 7] (58:29 - 58:40)
because nothing really changed or was substantial to halt the operation. So they stopped doing it. They don't do the monthly reports anymore.

[Speaker 7] (58:40 - 58:42)
So I don't know how many gallons they're pumping now.

[Speaker 2] (58:42 - 58:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (58:44 - 58:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (58:51 - 58:51)
Or anything.

[Speaker 2] (58:52 - 58:53)
Close the public hearing.

[Speaker 4] (58:53 - 58:55)
Um we have to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 4] (58:56 - 58:56)
So

[Speaker 9] (58:56 - 58:59)
So you don't we don't approve these or anything?

[Speaker 9] (58:59 - 59:00)
We have right done that.

[Speaker 9] (59:02 - 59:04)
The changes. The permit.

[Speaker 2] (59:05 - 59:07)
Well generally what we have is a first reading.

[Speaker 2] (59:07 - 59:09)
It's not on the agenda. And then

[Speaker 4] (59:09 - 59:09)
And then

[Speaker 2] (59:09 - 59:10)
you take it up again, I don't

[Speaker 4] (59:12 - 59:15)
Yeah, we'd have to take it up at the next meeting for a vote because the um

[Speaker 4] (59:17 - 59:19)
agenda doesn't say that we will be voting.

[Speaker 9] (59:20 - 59:21)
About possible action.

[Speaker 4] (59:22 - 59:25)
Oh, yeah but normally it would say underneath discussion and possible vote.

[Speaker 9] (59:26 - 59:26)
Okay, no problem.

[Speaker 4] (59:26 - 59:33)
Um so I think if those are all of the questions related to the public hearing, take a motion to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 9] (59:33 - 59:33)
I'll uh yeah,

[Speaker 4] (59:33 - 59:34)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 9] (59:34 - 59:34)
new line.

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:34)
Oh sorry.

[Speaker 2] (59:34 - 59:34)
it over to me.

[Speaker 1] (59:37 - 59:38)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (59:38 - 59:38)
And they didn't like

[Speaker 1] (59:38 - 59:41)
Would you would you mind taking um a microphone from Eracto,

[Speaker 2] (59:41 - 59:42)
No.

[Speaker 1] (59:42 - 59:43)
so that people at home could hear you as well?

[Speaker 1] (59:45 - 59:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (59:47 - 59:47)
You bet.

[Speaker 2] (59:48 - 59:54)
Hi um I think as you all know my name is Chris Drukas and I represent the uh

[Speaker 2] (59:54 - 1:00:06)
I hold Steve and I have been representing the quarry since the growth removal bylaw came into existence in 1994.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:07 - 1:00:18)
So I've represented the quarry for about 31 years and I think to a certain extent I think I can address an issue that I think

[Speaker 2] (1:00:20 - 1:00:23)
will I think make you feel better.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:24 - 1:00:46)
What has happened over the 31 years by having this earth removal bylaw and by having an ERAC and having an annual permit is things have changed dramatically as to how this company or these series of companies have operated this this facility over this 30 the 31 years that I've been involved.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:46 - 1:00:54)
And I think Gino probably knows from having dealt with them a long time,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:54 - 1:00:59)
this is not the same company that Lynn Sand and Stone was.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:59 - 1:01:03)
This is not the same company that Barton was,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:03 - 1:01:11)
this multinational corporation is...

[Speaker 2] (1:01:12 - 1:01:24)
very sensitive to the environment and we also recognize the fact that this is clearly not an ideal place to have a quarry.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:25 - 1:01:37)
It might have been when it started, but that was years ago around 1908 when there weren't very many people in Swamp Scott living anywhere near the quarry.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:38 - 1:01:39)
And in Salem as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:40 - 1:01:44)
The quarry is basically half in Swampscot and half in Salem.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:45 - 1:02:06)
The changes that have evolved and the monitoring that's been instituted by ERAC and the Board of Selectmen over the years has created situations that have benefited the citizenry of the town dramatically.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:07 - 1:02:20)
We could, if you ever saw what it was like with dust in the past and noise in the past and vibrate blasting in the past, I mean there were instances of fly rock coming out of the court.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:20 - 1:02:23)
That will never happen as long as this company,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:23 - 1:02:24)
I can guarantee,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:24 - 1:02:28)
as long as this company is operating the court because of the way they operate.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:30 - 1:02:36)
You should be aware of the fact that they just invested about 32 million dollars in new equipment.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:37 - 1:02:43)
And the primary reason for doing that, of course, is production.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:43 - 1:02:50)
But at the same time, you've got the most up-to-date dust suppression equipment,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:50 - 1:02:54)
noise suppression equipment in there today.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:55 - 1:03:08)
And one of the things that I think that we've been trying to get this board to take a quarry tour so you can see what goes on, know what when John talks to you about the weir, know where the weir is,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:08 - 1:03:10)
know about the holding pond,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:10 - 1:03:11)
know these things.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:11 - 1:03:14)
I really would like you guys to get together,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:14 - 1:03:17)
we would love to give you a tour.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:18 - 1:03:30)
Show you all this equipment and I'm going to turn it over to Steve Lander who the operations manager at the quarry to tell you a little bit about what they what they have done in the last year and a half

[Speaker 2] (1:03:30 - 1:03:34)
With upgrading equipment and what it means to the town and to everyone's benefit.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:35 - 1:03:35)
Go ahead, Steve.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:36 - 1:03:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:36 - 1:03:40)
So you guys might have the last time you got to see me.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:40 - 1:03:42)
So I just like to give a little context.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:43 - 1:03:45)
I can talk a lot. I'll try to keep it short.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:45 - 1:03:50)
But I started with aggregate industries before that it was middle sex materials. I started in Littleton 1999.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:51 - 1:03:53)
I've been in this industry for over 25 years.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:53 - 1:03:58)
And back in those days with different companies, it was tough to save even

[Speaker 3] (1:03:57 - 1:04:24)
even safety environmental I think back then our approach was bring the lawyers in right instead of walking in with the lawyers so I started from the bottom up I was a welder fabricator on nights and I had every role you can have in the company and in the stone side right so I got to see every aspect and I'm really proud of that so in my journey it's been really it's been fun and encouraging and I have a lot of pride to work for a company where we are looking like really looking for sustainability

[Speaker 3] (1:04:25 - 1:04:50)
and trying to make impacts to the neighborhood and looking at environmental solutions that are good for everybody right not just profitability and for me that's been I'm proud to work for a company like that like there's opportunities to do other things and to work for a company that really is not just a slogan of propaganda it's it's to me it's it's fun I call it fun I love what I do now fast forward I was a self operations manager from

[Speaker 3] (1:04:51 - 1:04:55)
2007 to 2019 and I wasn't involved in Swampscott until 2023.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:56 - 1:05:01)
So this new plant was just coming online and to be commissioned so that's when I came into Swampscott.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:02 - 1:05:04)
No, Swamp Scott's new plant,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:04 - 1:05:14)
that's the Wholesome is the largest construction materials company in the world, right? So it's massive and our biggest thing is cement. So, you know, they do things, you know, that's fun.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:14 - 1:05:15)
So this,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:15 - 1:05:18)
if you can prove your projects, you can do good things and they did.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:19 - 1:05:20)
And this was the biggest CapEx project.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:21 - 1:05:27)
in the United States in 2023, 2024. Thirty two million dollar plant, that's a lot. Most plants are around eleven million dollars.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:27 - 1:05:48)
This thing is state of the art. I call some up parts of it are exotic to give people a reference because it's hard to say what is you know it's like a Countach. It's not the Camry, right. So this is the big this is a big deal. It's the big investment and a lot of that is is for obviously efficiency, but some of it is like the everything's automated, the plant's automated, the person who runs it makes his life a little easier.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:48 - 1:06:12)
easier he doesn't have to focus on switches right it's a computer watching the computer and he can turn things on with the click of a button dust control is all state-of-the-art has different zones we can apply water different spots just by a click of a mouse so we can optimize the dust control um and it just goes on from there so it's a really big deal i'm proud i got to be part of it and since i've been there like the fencing you see in here the fences must be you know constantly maintained

[Speaker 3] (1:06:13 - 1:06:40)
a fence is so there's one thing to have a maintained fence another thing to have it look really nice so we did along Danvers Road that's all brand new fencing fencing along back I mean I don't know that was a lot I kind of snuck that one in but you know I'm really proud of the sites that I work at and I want people to come in and see what we do like we're really really proud of what we do and it's clean it's state you know it's you would come in there without even knowing what it is you would probably be impressed because it's probably not what you think so that's why it's nice to bring people in and give them context

[Speaker 3] (1:06:41 - 1:07:09)
and you know we just invested in some paving the quarry pump was a quarter of a million dollar project to get the right quarry pump so we can maintain the water with a drive so we can adjust the rate very you know we can dial it right in so we're not gushing water out into Foster's pond per se right we can we can adjust that dial it in and just always flow water very you know at a constant rate that was a big deal that's operational the garages are looking a little old I'm involved in that now looking at engineering so we can make sure we can put new roofs on and make sure they're safe

[Speaker 3] (1:07:09 - 1:07:19)
They put the coating because they're old, but we're upgrading those goes garages. That's going to be probably a million dollars with the garage upgrades So we're really investing in the site for the long the long term

[Speaker 3] (1:07:20 - 1:07:21)
And if I could,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:21 - 1:07:26)
I would say some of the things that you talked about, like how do you know 50 years is 50 years?

[Speaker 3] (1:07:26 - 1:07:28)
It's hard to say because with technology and like,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:28 - 1:07:29)
you know,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:29 - 1:07:30)
we can have like,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:30 - 1:07:33)
I don't, it depends on what is sales is a big deal, right?

[Speaker 3] (1:07:33 - 1:07:35)
If the sales fluctuate, that changes.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:35 - 1:07:36)
And also technology,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:36 - 1:07:45)
like do we ever go underground and maybe there's a demand for stone in this region that that's profitable and we work through that process. So you just never know.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:45 - 1:07:48)
And but right now we're confident that there is.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:48 - 1:08:14)
is that enough stone to get us that to that point for sure and as far as the closure plans go I would like to just speak about that real quick too so I've been part of this and I was part of the Ashland enclosure plan and it was pretty it's it's it's it's different so we don't know what the needs are of the town so it's hard like I was part of those conversations we want to see now what's going to happen in 50 years that's probably not a great thing you know maybe they need water maybe we you know so maybe it's a reservoir if that's possible or maybe it's a landfill

[Speaker 3] (1:08:14 - 1:08:36)
or you know and then at the end is it is it housing or is it softball fields and soccer fields so it I like what you said like we should have our eye on it and we want to partner up with the town and make sure that comes out great because we would be proud of whatever happens at the end we want to be proud of that too for sure and so that's the deal you know we're really investing and just letting you know we're going to keep doing it

[Speaker 1] (1:08:39 - 1:08:40)
Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:41 - 1:08:43)
One of the things you also understand

[Speaker 2] (1:08:44 - 1:08:47)
Because I own about 200 acres,

[Speaker 2] (1:08:47 - 1:09:00)
and the quarry itself is about 160, for the spotty other acres that they own in that area that will someday be developed, which we can't develop now because we want to maintain the buffer zone,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:00 - 1:09:12)
um and and we we do that. Um so uh again I would I would ask that uh you recognize the fact that the company has made this kind of an investment.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:13 - 1:09:15)
And if they've made this kind of investment,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:15 - 1:09:21)
they're not 15 years away from closing the quarry. It's going to be around for a long, long time.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:21 - 1:09:26)
And they continue to want to be a good neighbor.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:26 - 1:09:29)
And when we talk about testing that we do on the

[Speaker 1] (1:09:50 - 1:10:10)
Th through my thirty years of representing the company, I've got a box. That's just full of different tests for dust and and heavy metals and noise and the things don't change. One of the things we talked about was a windrow. We did do a windrow study back in two thousand ten to two thousand twelve. It's been done.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:11 - 1:10:19)
So there isn't any test that hasn't been done basically over the years that the ERAC has requested from us that we've ever refused to do.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:20 - 1:10:36)
It's just how many of them are responsible because when you get the results and they show that we're in compliance, it just doesn't make any sense for us to do fifteen tests every year that are going to show the same things.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:36 - 1:10:38)
So again please,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:38 - 1:10:41)
let's get a tour,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:41 - 1:10:42)
okay?

[Speaker 2] (1:10:44 - 1:10:46)
We would be proud to show you if we're looking forward to it.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:46 - 1:11:08)
And we already, you know, just don't need a lot of notice. It looks great every day. I was just there. Stopped in and talked to Regan who's the plant manager. So Yeah, we thought they'd pull something off, get a Boston Creams guy's in there. It'd be it'd be awesome. We are doing water monitoring quarterly, right? So just know, so we are monitoring our water as well for uh a T_S_S_ and uh so

[Speaker 2] (1:11:09 - 1:11:10)
We are doing that, sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:11 - 1:11:15)
You know, if you want to put a float in the fourth of July parade we'll get you General Cameron's number too.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:15 - 1:11:16)
Yeah?

[Speaker 4] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:17 - 1:11:18)
She'll let you put a float in.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:18 - 1:11:20)
So you guys give cookies out if we do that? I guess we'll

[Speaker 3] (1:11:20 - 1:11:22)
Her herping journey does.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:22 - 1:11:23)
I think the joke

[Speaker 2] (1:11:23 - 1:11:24)
No, but

[Speaker 3] (1:11:24 - 1:11:24)
too.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:24 - 1:11:34)
I I'd be interested in anything that you guys honestly for me if there's anything we can do to help with the town, it's hard to always get the information, but we would be looking for opportunities to help with donations as well, so.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:34 - 1:11:34)
We would we

[Speaker 3] (1:11:34 - 1:11:35)
We'll call you tomorrow.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:35 - 1:11:36)
Glad to call you tomorrow.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:36 - 1:11:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:37 - 1:11:37)
tomorrow.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:37 - 1:11:38)
You're you're real.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:38 - 1:11:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:38 - 1:11:40)
Oh, great. Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:40 - 1:11:42)
Thank you for all the information.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:42 - 1:11:45)
Might I suggest if possible a community open house. So like

[Speaker 4] (1:11:46 - 1:11:48)
I know folks who've lived here their whole life

[Speaker 1] (1:11:48 - 1:11:48)
maybe those

[Speaker 4] (1:11:48 - 1:11:48)
and

[Speaker 1] (1:11:48 - 1:11:50)
would never be those like every five or six years as

[Speaker 4] (1:11:50 - 1:11:54)
Yeah, who've never been to visit the quarry even though they drive by it every day.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:54 - 1:11:58)
So that might be something we put on our radar to have.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:58 - 1:12:01)
Yeah, the last one we did was about five or six years ago.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:01 - 1:12:02)
Oh, I'd say more than that.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:02 - 1:12:03)
I think like 15 years ago,

[Speaker 4] (1:12:03 - 1:12:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:03 - 1:12:04)
It

[Speaker 3] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
I thought it

[Speaker 6] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
was more than

[Speaker 3] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
was

[Speaker 6] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
a

[Speaker 3] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
really,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
million.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:04 - 1:12:07)
it was a really big success.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:07 - 1:12:08)
I brought my kids there.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:08 - 1:12:09)
It was a big deal.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:09 - 1:12:12)
It is a big deal to put on, and it's a little,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:12 - 1:12:13)
like we get.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:13 - 1:12:21)
You know, to bring people in the that many people in the quarry with an mcha site, you know, this we have to make sure we do a lot of protocol but it is it as a feel good moment to sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:23 - 1:12:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:24 - 1:12:25)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:27 - 1:12:29)
Uh you may, it is a public hearing. So yes, you may.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:30 - 1:12:32)
Just state your name and address again.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:32 - 1:12:35)
I'm Peter Vallis, 105 Stanley Road.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:39 - 1:12:44)
I'm trying to understand this issue that we've been speaking about for the last 20 minutes.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:47 - 1:12:53)
The gentlemen mentioned that 85 abutters are affected by the blasting.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:55 - 1:12:55)
No,

[Speaker 7] (1:12:55 - 1:12:55)
Now

[Speaker 2] (1:12:55 - 1:12:56)
that's not

[Speaker 7] (1:12:56 - 1:12:56)
that

[Speaker 2] (1:12:56 - 1:12:56)
what

[Speaker 7] (1:12:56 - 1:12:56)
would

[Speaker 2] (1:12:56 - 1:12:56)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:12:56 - 1:12:56)
have said. to...

[Speaker 2] (1:12:57 - 1:12:58)
That's not what I said.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:58 - 1:12:58)
No,

[Speaker 7] (1:12:58 - 1:13:02)
My point is, if there's 85 abutters...

[Speaker 7] (1:13:05 - 1:13:13)
It would appear that there's a zone or a precinct or ward in Swampscott that is highly affected,

[Speaker 7] (1:13:13 - 1:13:14)
all right?

[Speaker 7] (1:13:15 - 1:13:21)
Of those 85 abutters, how many have filed insurance claims?

[Speaker 4] (1:13:22 - 1:13:23)
None.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:24 - 1:13:24)
None.

[Speaker 7] (1:13:25 - 1:13:25)
None?

[Speaker 4] (1:13:25 - 1:13:26)
That's right.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:26 - 1:13:27)
It's my understanding that

[Speaker 1] (1:13:27 - 1:13:29)
None last couple of years.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:29 - 1:13:32)
in the last couple of years there have been no insurance claims filed.

[Speaker 7] (1:13:34 - 1:13:38)
So it's a happy community. It's a happy area.

[Speaker 7] (1:13:39 - 1:13:43)
There's no complaints from the abutters.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:43 - 1:13:46)
Well, I believe that that's not that's not accurate either.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:46 - 1:13:58)
I think there was a conversation had at a public meeting held by the folks who the quarry and there was some feedback to say that there can be some some improvements and some lessons,

[Speaker 4] (1:13:58 - 1:14:02)
but the feedback it appears from the residents.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:03 - 1:14:18)
That from the blasting is that the blast all those blasts are in line with what the permit requires so then the encouragement is that all we've reached out we will continue to reach out to them in the past we've reached out to them to have pre blasts

[Speaker 4] (1:14:19 - 1:14:44)
reviews of their home to make sure that if post blast there's an issue and they have an insurance claim they have something to serve like a standard to start from and we will continue to communicate with them about any issues that come from blasting eat our Earth Removal Committee they are very diligent about the community first and so I have great confidence that they will continue to do that work

[Speaker 7] (1:14:44 - 1:14:46)
Okay, we live in a perfect world,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:46 - 1:14:47)
thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:47 - 1:14:48)
If only.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:50 - 1:14:51)
Maybe then.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:52 - 1:14:53)
Okay, sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:53 - 1:14:53)
Mr.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:53 - 1:14:55)
Demenso, please.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:02 - 1:15:05)
Thank you, Madam Chairman.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:05 - 1:15:12)
I was under the impression this was a public hearing and I did have an anxiety attack and I was going to accuse.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:12 - 1:15:16)
of a slight form of being a conspiracy to prevent him from speaking.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:17 - 1:15:26)
But thanks to Chris Rupert's borderline of a lobbyist about how wonderful the Grand Sand and Stone is,

[Speaker 9] (1:15:26 - 1:15:30)
right after he told them how bad they were 30 years ago,

[Speaker 9] (1:15:30 - 1:15:35)
it got this way through the hard work of people like Gene Barton and John Vicarella.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:36 - 1:15:39)
And show and the people around there now.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:39 - 1:15:46)
It didn't just happen out of the kindness of Lynn saying the stone because they wouldn't give you the time of day if they were ready to go.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:47 - 1:15:49)
But now that that flood has is over,

[Speaker 9] (1:15:49 - 1:15:53)
I'd like to ask them to do something meaningful to the town.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:53 - 1:16:00)
So they're trying to get them to build the sidewalk from the bridge to where it begins on the Salem line.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:01 - 1:16:03)
They were very quick years ago to help.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:04 - 1:16:09)
May it be when T1 put that sidewalk in and did put that sidewalk in,

[Speaker 9] (1:16:09 - 1:16:21)
wouldn't it be nice if the people at Swampstead could walk all the way down Davis Road to Salem and they wouldn't have to go around that very bad water by

[Speaker 7] (1:16:21 - 1:16:22)
The section from

[Speaker 9] (1:16:22 - 1:16:23)
the gate that

[Speaker 7] (1:16:23 - 1:16:23)
the bridge to

[Speaker 9] (1:16:23 - 1:16:23)
they

[Speaker 7] (1:16:23 - 1:16:23)
Salem

[Speaker 9] (1:16:23 - 1:16:24)
have any

[Speaker 7] (1:16:24 - 1:16:24)
line,

[Speaker 9] (1:16:24 - 1:16:25)
thing to fix.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:25 - 1:16:26)
there's no sidewalk,

[Speaker 7] (1:16:26 - 1:16:26)
I know.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:26 - 1:16:29)
But in any event...

[Speaker 9] (1:16:30 - 1:16:34)
That's my reason for what I'd like to see them do.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:34 - 1:16:35)
They said they want to volunteer.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:36 - 1:16:39)
They spent $32 million on their plan.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:39 - 1:16:49)
Spend some money on with all that equipment they have and build a sidewalk so people can walk the Salem and probably have to be my solo's corner bridge.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:49 - 1:16:53)
And one other thing which I think is more important.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:53 - 1:16:56)
The U.S. committee has recommended that they...

[Speaker 9] (1:16:57 - 1:16:59)
have the right of approval.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:59 - 1:17:09)
From what I hear, I don't think this election for one minute should give up as the license holders who gets to reduce the permit.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:10 - 1:17:12)
It should be the select board that reduces the permit.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:12 - 1:17:16)
Who knows? Maybe they'll be like, oh, we could be the devil.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:18 - 1:17:18)
So,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:18 - 1:17:36)
if Joe my Korean can tell us that isn't one event about the Iraq committee approving the that they are in substantial compliance, I'd like to see that to be a recommendation and not a renewal of the permit. Thank you for all that time.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:37 - 1:17:38)
Thank you,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:38 - 1:17:38)
Good night.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:38 - 1:17:38)
Mr.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:38 - 1:17:39)
Demento.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:39 - 1:17:42)
I didn't catch what he was saying.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:42 - 1:17:42)
Joe.

[Speaker 10] (1:17:43 - 1:17:44)
Joe, would you like

[Speaker 9] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
I

[Speaker 10] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
to?

[Speaker 9] (1:17:44 - 1:17:46)
can remind him that we're in a five

[Speaker 3] (1:17:46 - 1:17:46)
What

[Speaker 9] (1:17:46 - 1:17:46)
minute

[Speaker 3] (1:17:46 - 1:17:46)
we

[Speaker 9] (1:17:46 - 1:17:46)
meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:46 - 1:17:47)
would we

[Speaker 11] (1:17:47 - 1:17:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:47 - 1:17:49)
I could be muted if anyone would need me.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:49 - 1:17:52)
We are by our name an advisory committee.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:52 - 1:17:53)
We don't approve.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:54 - 1:17:59)
I mean, we internally approve what we are going to recommend to the select board,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:59 - 1:18:01)
but we don't approve the permit.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:02 - 1:18:14)
So I think what Mr. Demento was talking about was the language added clarifying wholesome substantial compliance and that the provision that was added was the compliance was as determined by ERAC as

[Speaker 1] (1:18:14 - 1:18:15)
As opposed to wholesome.

[Speaker 12] (1:18:15 - 1:18:15)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:18:15 - 1:18:18)
opposed to wholesome or or undefined.

[Speaker 12] (1:18:18 - 1:18:20)
as opposed to the select. Well,

[Speaker 12] (1:18:20 - 1:18:23)
I would say, I guess, frankly,

[Speaker 12] (1:18:23 - 1:18:29)
it doesn't matter to me who determines whether they are in compliance or not.

[Speaker 12] (1:18:30 - 1:18:37)
You're going to ask us if they are in compliance with everything that the permit requires them to submit.

[Speaker 12] (1:18:37 - 1:18:45)
If you'd like us to report to you with the language that says if they're, and we would report to you anyways, if they are out of compliance,

[Speaker 12] (1:18:45 - 1:18:45)
we would say.

[Speaker 12] (1:18:46 - 1:18:51)
You really have to think about not approving this permit because they're not in compliance.

[Speaker 12] (1:18:51 - 1:18:52)
And we...

[Speaker 4] (1:18:52 - 1:18:58)
I can help you too with this because the language of the permit right now just doesn't define substantial compliance.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:58 - 1:19:02)
It's not that you're taking any purview away from the select board.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:02 - 1:19:04)
It's not given to the select board in the permit.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:05 - 1:19:10)
You're actually saying now substantial compliance as determined by ERAC.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:11 - 1:19:23)
to give it a definition, it looks like. Um but in the permit as it reads, um fulsome must be in substantial compliance with this permit before a new permit or an extension or renewal of this permit will be granted. That is the sentence.

[Speaker 12] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
Right, So but who

[Speaker 4] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
it

[Speaker 12] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
did

[Speaker 2] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:19:24 - 1:19:28)
but who determines and how is it determined what supply substantial compliance is.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:40)
And and and because there was no definition to that seemed to make sense to put somebody in. If you would prefer language that suggests that that ERAC would inform

[Speaker 3] (1:19:40 - 1:19:41)
Recommend.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:41 - 1:19:45)
the the select board if whether or not they are in compliance. And we would normally under

[Speaker 2] (1:19:45 - 1:19:47)
or routine presentation here.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:47 - 1:19:48)
If

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:19:48)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:48 - 1:19:50)
they were not in compliance, that would be part of our presentation.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:50 - 1:19:51)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:51 - 1:19:58)
But if you'd like it worded differently where the select board is more directly connected to substantial compliance determination,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:59 - 1:20:00)
sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:02 - 1:20:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:02 - 1:20:06)
I have no I have no problem with the way you phrased it Joe makes perfect sense to me

[Speaker 5] (1:20:07 - 1:20:07)
Same.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:08 - 1:20:13)
Yeah, I don't have a real issue with the phraseology because you don't you don't have it in your purview to approve the

[Speaker 2] (1:20:13 - 1:20:13)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:13 - 1:20:14)
permit.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:14 - 1:20:21)
That's in our purview and you're not changing the language to put it in your purview. You're just saying that the compliance piece is

[Speaker 2] (1:20:21 - 1:20:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:21 - 1:20:24)
the piece that you are reviewing and bringing to us for

[Speaker 2] (1:20:24 - 1:20:24)
Would you like

[Speaker 1] (1:20:24 - 1:20:24)
signature.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:24 - 1:20:27)
us to strike the language that was added?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:28 - 1:20:29)
No, I'm fine with it.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:30 - 1:20:32)
I'm fine with it unless,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:32 - 1:20:34)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:34 - 1:20:34)
looks like

[Speaker 6] (1:20:35 - 1:20:35)
Yep

[Speaker 1] (1:20:35 - 1:20:36)
Thanks, Tropol.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:36 - 1:20:40)
I'd like to know about the sidewalk in response

[Speaker 1] (1:20:40 - 1:20:41)
Maybe that's not.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:41 - 1:20:42)
to the sidewalk comment.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:42 - 1:20:44)
Yeah, I mean, I'll give you.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:44 - 1:20:57)
Obviously I can't make that decision, but yeah. I mean if we could have something more formally sent to us via email or something that I can pass through the company, I promise you I would do that, and I would fight I'm gonna fight for anything that we can do for the for our towns, the neighbouring towns to share.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:57 - 1:20:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:57 - 1:21:00)
And I think if we're gonna make an ask we should Yeah. really think about

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:00)
I'm just

[Speaker 2] (1:21:00 - 1:21:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:00)
it.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:00 - 1:21:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:00 - 1:21:00)
yeah. yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:00)
yeah, that is

[Speaker 6] (1:21:00 - 1:21:01)
Of course.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:01 - 1:21:02)
of course. Very good.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:03 - 1:21:03)
Depends

[Speaker 1] (1:21:03 - 1:21:03)
But we're

[Speaker 2] (1:21:03 - 1:21:05)
on whose land you're gonna put it into.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:05 - 1:21:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:05 - 1:21:07)
I think that may be main main uh

[Speaker 1] (1:21:07 - 1:21:10)
So having heard from all the parties now, including the public, uh

[Speaker 1] (1:21:10 - 1:21:12)
Uh I'll take a motion to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:12 - 1:21:13)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:14)
Second?

[Speaker 4] (1:21:15 - 1:21:15)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:15 - 1:21:16)
All in favour?

[Speaker 7] (1:21:16 - 1:21:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:16 - 1:21:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:16 - 1:21:28)
Aye, okay. Um and then so we will have to put this on the next agenda to vote on this um and um

[Speaker 4] (1:21:29 - 1:21:32)
Well, Katie, should we have actually continued the public hearing to

[Speaker 1] (1:21:32 - 1:21:32)
Oh

[Speaker 4] (1:21:32 - 1:21:32)
Jun to June

[Speaker 1] (1:21:32 - 1:21:32)
we can't

[Speaker 4] (1:21:32 - 1:21:33)
18th?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:33 - 1:21:34)
can we reopen the public hearing?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:36 - 1:21:36)
We just

[Speaker 6] (1:21:36 - 1:21:37)
Yeah, we can reopen. Do it either way.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:37 - 1:21:39)
I mean, but they have to post again.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:39 - 1:21:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:39 - 1:21:41)
But like we have

[Speaker 6] (1:21:41 - 1:21:41)
We

[Speaker 4] (1:21:41 - 1:21:41)
to take a vote

[Speaker 2] (1:21:41 - 1:21:41)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:21:41 - 1:21:42)
with the

[Speaker 2] (1:21:42 - 1:21:42)
mean,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:42 - 1:21:43)
public hearing or something.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:43 - 1:21:55)
I think the the the one important thing here that you have to understand is the permit has to be approved by the Board of Health as well. They have to have time to have a meeting to discuss it, and July one is that far away.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:57 - 1:21:58)
So we'd have to get it on the next one.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:59 - 1:21:59)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:59 - 1:22:03)
The the Board of Health meets on June eighteenth. Um

[Speaker 4] (1:22:03 - 1:22:04)
Same night.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:04 - 1:22:09)
same night we meet. So uh so long as we vote on this early then it shouldn't be an issue.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:09 - 1:22:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:10 - 1:22:16)
The issue with if we keep this open, we would have to keep this open as a public hearing and not close and not close it because

[Speaker 1] (1:22:16 - 1:22:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:17 - 1:22:19)
in order to repost it it's complicated.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:19 - 1:22:21)
So is the will of the board to

[Speaker 1] (1:22:21 - 1:22:24)
postpone the public hearing or is will the board to

[Speaker 2] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25)
In

[Speaker 1] (1:22:25 - 1:22:29)
vote on it this evening continue sorry continue or to vote on it this evening.

[Speaker 9] (1:22:29 - 1:22:37)
I'm not comfortable voting on it this evening, only because our protocol is to go to have one reading and then vote on it the second reading.

[Speaker 9] (1:22:39 - 1:22:40)
What?

[Speaker 1] (1:22:40 - 1:22:42)
Okay, does anybody other any other board members have feelings

[Speaker 4] (1:22:45 - 1:22:46)
That's fine. It's always

[Speaker 2] (1:22:46 - 1:22:46)
That's fine.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:47 - 1:22:47)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:47 - 1:22:47)
better.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:47 - 1:22:48)
I could go either

[Speaker 4] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
It's

[Speaker 6] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
way.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
orchestrated

[Speaker 6] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
I don't have any

[Speaker 4] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
into the

[Speaker 6] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
preference

[Speaker 4] (1:22:48 - 1:22:49)
Board of Health

[Speaker 6] (1:22:49 - 1:22:49)
either way.

[Speaker 9] (1:22:51 - 1:22:53)
I don't have any preference either way.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:53 - 1:22:59)
Okay. So uh I guess we can strike the motion to

[Speaker 9] (1:23:00 - 1:23:01)
Should you need a motion to rescind our last motion?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:01 - 1:23:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (1:23:02 - 1:23:02)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:03 - 1:23:03)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:04 - 1:23:10)
And then we I will take a motion to continue the public hearing till June 18th at seven.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:11 - 1:23:13)
Yeah, we'll see six forty five. Sorry.

[Speaker 9] (1:23:13 - 1:23:14)
So moved.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:14 - 1:23:14)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:15 - 1:23:15)
Thank you. All in

[Speaker 9] (1:23:15 - 1:23:15)
All

[Speaker 1] (1:23:15 - 1:23:16)
favour?

[Speaker 9] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
in favor?

[Speaker 2] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
I

[Speaker 9] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:16 - 1:23:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:17 - 1:23:17)
Thank you. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:17 - 1:23:18)
Both of those.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:18 - 1:23:20)
For all. For the decision

[Speaker 2] (1:23:20 - 1:23:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:20 - 1:23:22)
and the uh

[Speaker 2] (1:23:22 - 1:23:22)
You done?

[Speaker 6] (1:23:22 - 1:23:24)
We wanted to have the eagle scout 'cause

[Speaker 4] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
you need

[Speaker 1] (1:23:24 - 1:23:25)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:25 - 1:23:25)
that kind of

[Speaker 1] (1:23:25 - 1:23:27)
Thank you very much for joining us. Uh

[Speaker 4] (1:23:27 - 1:23:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:27 - 1:23:28)
Pleasure.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:29 - 1:23:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:29 - 1:23:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:30 - 1:23:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:32 - 1:23:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:32 - 1:23:38)
Um so we will go back to the presentation of the proclamation of our Eagle Scout if if you still.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:40 - 1:23:40)
so Eagle Scout all

[Speaker 4] (1:23:40 - 1:23:41)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:41 - 1:23:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:41 - 1:24:07)
right so if we would our Eagle Scout wants to come join us Jonathan you can come up to the mic here and I would like to recognize you with this proclamation whereas the rank of Eagle Scout is the highest honor that can be attained by a Boy Scout and takes years of dedication and commitment to achieve

[Speaker 1] (1:24:07 - 1:24:11)
And whereas Eagle Scouts act as leaders and role models in the community,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:11 - 1:24:14)
the Eagle Scout Award is a distinction that will follow Mr.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:15 - 1:24:21)
Wagler throughout life and will be a beacon to others of the leadership quality and commitment he has shown.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:21 - 1:24:33)
And whereas the detainment of the rank of Eagle Scout involved enhancing an existing trail in Ewing Woods, and in collaboration with the Swampscott Conservancy installing an informational kiosk near the entrance of the woods,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:33 - 1:24:39)
this major community service project will undoubtedly benefit the citizens of Swampscott, Massachusetts for years to come.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:40 - 1:24:47)
And now therefore be it proclaimed that on behalf of the entire select board and the town of Swampscott we do hereby congratulate and recognize

[Speaker 1] (1:24:48 - 1:24:49)
Mr.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:49 - 1:25:17)
Walger for his achievement of the rank of Eagle Scout and urge others to join us in extending our congratulations and witness here too and signed by the hands affixed the great seal of the town of Swampscott Massachusetts the Swampscott Select Board thank you very much I'm very we just wanted to extend congratulations to this is a very big accomplishment that not many people attain and I believe that it's the hope that we will compile a list of all of our Eagle Scouts

[Speaker 1] (1:25:17 - 1:25:24)
out in town and we will display that somewhere so that we could commemorate you for years to come. So thank you very much for

[Speaker 4] (1:25:24 - 1:25:24)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:25:24 - 1:25:24)
your contribution.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:24 - 1:25:24)
you.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:24 - 1:25:25)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:30 - 1:25:37)
Sure, does ab we can absolutely take a picture, but does anybody have any questions or comments for our Eagle Scout before we do that?

[Speaker 9] (1:25:37 - 1:25:41)
Can you tell us about your project and just

[Speaker 9] (1:25:42 - 1:25:45)
comment on what your journey was like? I mean, we had.

[Speaker 9] (1:25:46 - 1:25:48)
We had the opportunity to come to your ceremony,

[Speaker 9] (1:25:49 - 1:25:59)
Doug and myself had a chance to get there. We don't have to shuffle kids around to Little League and soccer so we were able to run over which was a really great experience for me.

[Speaker 9] (1:25:59 - 1:26:05)
I've always wanted to attend one and to see all the awards that you get and your parents there,

[Speaker 9] (1:26:05 - 1:26:13)
I mean this is a major accomplishment for your parents. I know you did a lot of work but I know what it's like being a parent and having to, do you have this ready,

[Speaker 9] (1:26:13 - 1:26:14)
do you have that ready? So.

[Speaker 9] (1:26:15 - 1:26:16)
This is a really big deal,

[Speaker 9] (1:26:17 - 1:26:18)
really big deal.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:19 - 1:26:21)
Yeah, so as you said before,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:21 - 1:26:28)
it was my Eagle Scout project mainly centered around a kiosk in Ewing Woods,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:28 - 1:26:33)
which I didn't know was named Ewing Woods. I just knew it as the forest near my old elementary school,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:33 - 1:26:34)
Stanley,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:34 - 1:26:35)
which is now the new elementary school.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:36 - 1:26:41)
And then we also did trail cleanup and also installed trail medallions to mark the path.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:41 - 1:26:49)
Um, and then so pretty relatively basic kind of standard Eagle Scout project in my opinion.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:49 - 1:26:51)
Um, but I would say the,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:51 - 1:26:56)
what one of the really unique parts of my journey was going through COVID with it, um,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:56 - 1:26:57)
because

[Speaker 10] (1:26:58 - 1:27:23)
What a lot of people don't know is when you have a big pandemic a lot of merit badge counselors are not able to really meet so that was really the biggest and most noteworthy part of my advancement in my opinion because every Eagle Scout does an Eagle Scout project but not everybody goes through a pandemic to get it so I just found that a really unique experience in terms of that's actually where I got a great many of my merit badges because my

[Speaker 10] (1:27:24 - 1:27:33)
Dad became a merit badge counselor for a bunch of them and also we found other people on like zoom and stuff stuff But yeah, so it was a really great experiment experience

[Speaker 10] (1:27:34 - 1:27:38)
More than half of my life actually so it's great that it's got it's come to this

[Speaker 1] (1:27:38 - 1:27:39)
That's incredible.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:39 - 1:27:40)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:40 - 1:27:41)
Anybody else?

[Speaker 4] (1:27:41 - 1:27:44)
Um, so I had a great time with Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:44 - 1:27:44)
Uh,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:44 - 1:27:47)
it was a little bit of a throwback experience because I'm an Eagle Scout too.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:47 - 1:27:48)
Oh

[Speaker 4] (1:27:48 - 1:27:48)
And, uh...

[Speaker 9] (1:27:48 - 1:27:50)
And he had to take the pledge again.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:51 - 1:27:53)
Yeah, I did have to take the pledge again,

[Speaker 9] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
He

[Speaker 4] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
which was

[Speaker 9] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
did,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
a little

[Speaker 9] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
so now

[Speaker 4] (1:27:53 - 1:27:54)
scary.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:54 - 1:27:55)
we're going to monitor.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:56 - 1:27:58)
Very happy to see he took that pledge again.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:58 - 1:27:59)
Two things I have to say.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:00 - 1:28:02)
One is I want to second what Mary Ellen said.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:03 - 1:28:10)
To your mom and to your dad, really kind of I brought back like all the intense work that happens by parents in this.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:11 - 1:28:17)
The other fact that I learned was that only 6% of people that go into Boy Scouts actually end up being an Eagle Scout.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:17 - 1:28:18)
So.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:18 - 1:28:21)
So this is really kind of like a top dog type of thing. So congratulations.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:25 - 1:28:34)
I have a I have a question for you because we actually at Town Hall we have a we have plaques that have been made and every eagle and um the

[Speaker 6] (1:28:34 - 1:28:35)
Gold

[Speaker 9] (1:28:35 - 1:28:46)
girls gold award uh since 1923 are on these plaques but you've thrown a little curveball in for us because we've got to send a plate out to put your name on it so we just need to know because

[Speaker 9] (1:28:47 - 1:28:55)
I know at the event, I think you went by the name John Henry and yet your name is Jonathan. So we just need to know what you want

[Speaker 1] (1:28:55 - 1:28:55)
We on want

[Speaker 9] (1:28:55 - 1:28:55)
the plaque.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:55 - 1:28:56)
it to appear.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:56 - 1:29:04)
We're going to set, we're going to find out from Crown Trophy how long it's going to take to put your name on the plaque and as soon as we have that date, we'll have the unveiling.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:05 - 1:29:06)
Yeah, so

[Speaker 10] (1:29:06 - 1:29:11)
For those of you who don't know, Jonathan is my real name, Jack Henry is a nickname. Don't ask me how I got it.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:12 - 1:29:16)
I have no idea. Um, I would probably prefer Jonathan Henry Walger or Jonathan

[Speaker 9] (1:29:16 - 1:29:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:16 - 1:29:18)
Walger, whichever one, just 'cause

[Speaker 9] (1:29:18 - 1:29:19)
We'll take care of that.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
Very good.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
Very good.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:20 - 1:29:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:20 - 1:29:23)
Alright so if you don't mind we'll take a picture for

[Speaker 1] (1:29:23 - 1:29:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:23 - 1:29:24)
um

[Speaker 2] (1:29:24 - 1:29:24)
For posterity.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:24 - 1:29:29)
for posterity and for your parents. Do you guys wanna come join us?

[Speaker 4] (1:29:36 - 1:29:36)
One minute.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:36 - 1:29:37)
Come on guys.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:37 - 1:29:37)
Come here.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:43 - 1:29:45)
It's in our neighbourhood, she takes wonderful care

[Speaker 6] (1:29:45 - 1:29:46)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:46 - 1:29:47)
of all these kids, and I just love

[Speaker 6] (1:29:49 - 1:29:49)
Cool.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:49 - 1:29:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:51 - 1:29:52)
That's a good picture.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:52 - 1:29:53)
Oh, that's a great picture.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:56 - 1:29:56)
Perfect.

[Speaker 6] (1:29:56 - 1:29:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:57 - 1:29:58)
Awesome,

[Speaker 3] (1:29:58 - 1:29:58)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:58 - 1:30:01)
thank you. Thank you. Congratulations to you too.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01)
Very much.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:01 - 1:30:02)
Thank you all.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:02 - 1:30:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:22 - 1:30:26)
On the agenda will be discussion and possible vote on 12 to 24 Pine Street,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:26 - 1:30:27)
schematic design.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:27 - 1:30:36)
We have some folks here from the neighborhood housing to help us along.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:37 - 1:30:43)
Hello, thank you for having us. Thank you. Would you like to introduce yourselves to the public?

[Speaker 3] (1:30:43 - 1:30:46)
Yes, so my name is Holly Grace.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:48 - 1:30:50)
And I'm Yara Vergett.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:50 - 1:30:52)
And we work with B'nai B'rith Housing.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:54 - 1:30:55)
I have a presentation.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:56 - 1:30:56)
Perfect.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:56 - 1:30:56)
Should

[Speaker 3] (1:30:56 - 1:30:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:56 - 1:30:58)
I do it?

[Speaker 3] (1:30:58 - 1:31:00)
And we'll pull that up for us.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:02 - 1:31:05)
While that's... Can you hear me?

[Speaker 3] (1:31:05 - 1:31:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:05 - 1:31:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:06 - 1:31:07)
While that's loading,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:07 - 1:31:10)
just a very quick intro about B'nai B'rith Housing.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:11 - 1:31:12)
We're a non-profit organization.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:13 - 1:31:19)
We build non-sectarian affordable housing and manage it. We have a track record of high quality,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:19 - 1:31:21)
successful development,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:21 - 1:31:25)
including the Michonne, the former school on Burpee Road,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:25 - 1:31:27)
which was completed in 2021.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:28 - 1:31:35)
We have experience with service enriched senior housing with resident service coordination like exists at the Michonne. And

[Speaker 7] (1:31:37 - 1:31:39)
Here on Pine Street,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:39 - 1:31:51)
it's our goal to be involved with this property for a long time and help residents age in place and we are excited about the synergies that this development will have with the existing Michonne.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:52 - 1:31:56)
So just a little recap about the process.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:56 - 1:32:04)
B'nai B'rith Housing responded to the town's RFP to develop this site on Pine Street in August 2023.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:05 - 1:32:10)
And the land agreement was signed in December 2024.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:10 - 1:32:13)
And consistent with this land agreement,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:13 - 1:32:19)
we have developed plans that tonight we're going to review the schematic design plans.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:19 - 1:32:25)
And the land agreement requires that the select board review and approve,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:25 - 1:32:31)
basically to make sure that we are consistent with what was laid out in the land agreement.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:32 - 1:32:34)
Once the select board approves the plans,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:35 - 1:32:41)
we will prepare a submission for the zoning board for a friendly 40B process.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:43 - 1:32:45)
So we're very happy to be here, very excited.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:45 - 1:32:46)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:48 - 1:32:50)
Our plans are on the screen.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:51 - 1:32:54)
Or I guess the plan set that we've submitted to you.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:55 - 1:32:56)
So the proposal,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:56 - 1:32:58)
the name is Veterans Crossing,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:58 - 1:32:59)
which I think was coined by the town,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:59 - 1:33:00)
or was that us?

[Speaker 7] (1:33:00 - 1:33:01)
Anyway,

[Speaker 7] (1:33:01 - 1:33:03)
through this process, that's what we've been calling it.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:03 - 1:33:08)
The proposal is for 41 units, all with one bedroom and one bathroom.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:08 - 1:33:11)
Unit sizes are 600 square feet.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:11 - 1:33:14)
They are flat styled apartments,

[Speaker 7] (1:33:14 - 1:33:17)
so there's elevator service that goes to each floor.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:18 - 1:33:31)
all senior and older adults for ages 55 and older with a preference for veterans and a local preference to the extent allowed by the state.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:31 - 1:33:32)
Again,

[Speaker 7] (1:33:32 - 1:33:37)
all the units are affordable to income limits of 60% of area median income,

[Speaker 7] (1:33:38 - 1:33:45)
which I quickly checked today is about $69,000 annual income for a one-person household.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:47 - 1:33:52)
And we propose to do service enriched housing similar to what we do at the Michonne.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:55 - 1:33:58)
And with this resident service coordination,

[Speaker 7] (1:33:58 - 1:34:02)
we plan to work in partnership with Soldier On,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:02 - 1:34:05)
which is a Massachusetts nonprofit.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:06 - 1:34:27)
focus on veterans. Um they would provide the resident service coordination and work along with the property management company to help residents as they age. They have strong experience with veterans and the issues that they face and the services that are available to them. So let's look at the plan. Actually, if we could go back to the cover.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:29 - 1:34:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:30 - 1:34:32)
So this is a rendering.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:32 - 1:34:35)
There's more in the package, but just to give a quick overview.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:37 - 1:34:41)
So we're working with architects called the architectural team,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:41 - 1:34:50)
and the design that they've come up with is inspired by the surrounding residential neighborhood with a traditional New England coastal style.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:51 - 1:34:55)
And the goal is to be compatible with the residential character of Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:56 - 1:35:10)
So it's clabbered style, we've got a porch in front, it's three stories with a pitched roof and I guess this is the design suggested to complement the residential style.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:11 - 1:35:20)
We're going to talk a little more about this pitched roof with a different visual coming up in a few minutes. If we could go to the next page.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:22 - 1:35:25)
All right, tough to read, not very interesting looking,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:25 - 1:35:32)
but it's the existing conditions, so the locations on Pine Street near the new ocean intersection,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:32 - 1:35:37)
the former location of the garage when the town purchased it, which has since been demolished.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:37 - 1:35:40)
The VFW building is currently on site.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:40 - 1:35:45)
Neighboring homes are across Pine Street and also on Erie Street,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:45 - 1:35:50)
and there's a culvert located towards the top of the site.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:51 - 1:35:53)
um along the property line.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:54 - 1:35:56)
The next plans

[Speaker 7] (1:35:58 - 1:36:06)
which we're not really going to go through. Feel free to ask questions if you do. There's a demolition and erosion control plan, a layout and materials plan,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:07 - 1:36:11)
grading drainage and utility plan, and a landscape plan.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:13 - 1:36:17)
And there's also a site plan if you keep scrolling.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:18 - 1:36:21)
Yes, please. Keep going. Please.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:21 - 1:36:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:36:21 - 1:36:21)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:36:21 - 1:36:22)
yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:22 - 1:36:23)
Yes, there it is. Yep.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:23 - 1:36:32)
if we have questions, do you want to wait till the end or like if they're technical questions should we ask them now or what's best for your flow? Do you want the

[Speaker 3] (1:36:32 - 1:36:36)
What would you waiter? like? I'm h I'm happy to do it either way, whichever you prefer.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:37 - 1:36:39)
Is it about the plans we just scrolled past?

[Speaker 9] (1:36:39 - 1:36:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:40 - 1:36:43)
Then let's wait till the end.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:43 - 1:36:44)
Okay, let's wait till the

[Speaker 7] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
Is

[Speaker 3] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
end.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
that okay?

[Speaker 7] (1:36:45 - 1:36:45)
Um,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:46 - 1:36:48)
so if we keep going,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:48 - 1:37:12)
please. So this is the, oop, back one please. The this is a I guess a pretty picture site plan, a rendered site plan that's hopefully easy to explain. So um Pine Street is on the bottom of this plan, um and the building footprint you can see with the sloped roofs is on the right and the parking area is on the left. Um

[Speaker 7] (1:37:13 - 1:37:21)
So the parking area in this plan is adjacent to the dispensary towards the more commercial use of the site.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:21 - 1:37:24)
We placed the housing close to the corner with Erie Street,

[Speaker 7] (1:37:24 - 1:37:26)
which we debated,

[Speaker 7] (1:37:26 - 1:37:38)
but it's our thinking that it's a quieter use and thought that rather than the cars entering and exiting with their lights and potential trash coming in and out.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:40 - 1:37:43)
that this would be preferred.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:44 - 1:37:49)
So car access comes in from the driveway that's shown in the middle of this plan.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:50 - 1:37:57)
This has 35 spaces of outdoor parking with a ratio of 0.85 per unit.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:58 - 1:38:00)
So this is less than one per unit.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:01 - 1:38:09)
But we think this is adequate based on the actual car usage and car ownership with the tenants at Michonne.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:10 - 1:38:16)
It is, from this location, especially easy to access the bus service, to go to grocery store,

[Speaker 7] (1:38:16 - 1:38:17)
retail and other services.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:19 - 1:38:24)
So we have, we're continuing or improving the sidewalk network around the site.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:24 - 1:38:26)
We've got the parking lot.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:26 - 1:38:32)
The main building entrance is at the Pine Street side with a porch.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:33 - 1:38:34)
And

[Speaker 7] (1:38:36 - 1:38:42)
The sloped roof you can see, it looks a little unusual because there's the white rectangle with little squares in it.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:42 - 1:39:01)
This is showing that there's actually a flat roof in the middle that houses the mechanical equipment and it's dropped down into a mechanical well so that they're hidden basically from the view of the neighbours and the sidewalk and the street.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:01 - 1:39:02)
Um

[Speaker 7] (1:39:03 - 1:39:13)
We thought this would be an appealing design. Uh we like the slow-proof just for the residential character and I know that mechanical equipment tends to be a sensitive issue.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:17)
If you could scroll to the next plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:17)
please.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:19)
Thank you. This is the ground floor plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:20 - 1:39:24)
The entrance is shown towards the bottom of the site.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:25 - 1:39:29)
Off of the porch area on this floor we have a community room.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:30 - 1:39:37)
Two offices, one for the Property Manager, one for the Resident Service Coordinator who will work in this building,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:37 - 1:39:47)
a fitness room, a package room, a bathroom to be used by folks when they're on this floor and back of the house uses like electric,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:48 - 1:39:49)
trash room,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:49 - 1:39:51)
boiler and water.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:51 - 1:39:58)
We have two elevators and two sets of stairs and eleven units on this floor.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:59 - 1:40:02)
On the second floor uh-oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:02 - 1:40:02)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:03 - 1:40:04)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:04 - 1:40:04)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (1:40:04 - 1:40:04)
that was Márta.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:04 - 1:40:05)
got it.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:05 - 1:40:05)
Márta got it.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:05 - 1:40:25)
Thank you, okay. There are fifteen units, um a shared laundry room and a balcony outdoor deck uh across from the laundry room. The third floor has fifteen units and also some back of the house storage maintenance space. If we can go to the next plan with typical

[Speaker 1] (1:40:26 - 1:40:29)
Oh, we've focused on that sloped roofs.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:29 - 1:40:31)
These are the t yeah, one more if we can go.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:32 - 1:40:35)
These are typical unit plans next,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:35 - 1:40:35)
Marcy?

[Speaker 4] (1:40:35 - 1:40:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:35 - 1:40:41)
Thank you. So all the units will have uh one bedroom and one bathroom,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:41 - 1:40:48)
approximately six hundred square feet. They all have full kitchens, dishwasher, and all typical appliances.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:51 - 1:40:54)
All electric, so no gas stoves here. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:40:56 - 1:40:59)
and the next slides have elevations.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:00 - 1:41:04)
So maybe you can help me read.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:05 - 1:41:07)
That's the view, the top one's the view from the parking lot.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:07 - 1:41:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:08 - 1:41:11)
The bottom view is from Pine Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:11 - 1:41:15)
And these are elevations, so they're not, you'll never actually see this view,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:15 - 1:41:17)
it's very flat look.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:18 - 1:41:20)
The next slide please, Marcy.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:21 - 1:41:24)
That is Geary Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:25 - 1:41:30)
And then the bottom one is the view looking basically from across the property line,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:30 - 1:41:34)
from the backyards of homes.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:34 - 1:41:37)
And this view will never be seen.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:37 - 1:41:44)
Our landscape plan has some evergreens and other things to help shield and buffer that view.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:46 - 1:41:50)
And perspective drawings of...

[Speaker 1] (1:41:51 - 1:41:56)
how we think this good look and

[Speaker 1] (1:41:57 - 1:42:00)
is the section next? Or it's an

[Speaker 6] (1:42:00 - 1:42:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:01 - 1:42:05)
yeah, so this is a cake slice uh basically through the building,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:06 - 1:42:08)
which shows where the units are,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:08 - 1:42:16)
the common spaces, and if you note in the small text on the right, we have the

[Speaker 1] (1:42:16 - 1:42:39)
elevations of the different floors and you might note that the first floor is raised a bit it needs to be above above the flood plain elevation and there's also the mechanical well on the roof that I spoke about shows how the mechanical equipment is on the flat roof portion and that the sloped roof conceals that and

[Speaker 1] (1:42:41 - 1:42:42)
then our last

[Speaker 1] (1:42:43 - 1:42:51)
Page in this packet is our proposed level of interiors. These are samples from recent developments that our architect worked on.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:51 - 1:43:05)
And EBH tries to make all of our affordable housing as attractive as market rate and to be able to compete with market rate so people feel proud about living in our communities.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:06 - 1:43:08)
we try to have happy tenants.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:09 - 1:43:17)
So we like quality design and we want to be proud of what we build and have Swampcott be proud of us too.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:18 - 1:43:20)
We look forward to your questions and comments.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:21 - 1:43:21)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:43:22 - 1:43:22)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:43:23 - 1:43:24)
Doug, would you like to start?

[Speaker 9] (1:43:26 - 1:43:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (1:43:27 - 1:43:48)
Um so my first question was uh way back when we talked Holly and there were some questions about being able to build across is it a culvert that kind of transects the property um and is that is the building now crossing that or is that kind of just to the left edge of the building?

[Speaker 1] (1:43:48 - 1:43:49)
The culvert

[Speaker 1] (1:43:50 - 1:43:58)
Is not going to be built on sorry the building is not going to be built on top of the culvert And we will need to relocate the culvert

[Speaker 10] (1:43:59 - 1:43:59)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:59 - 1:44:01)
further into the parking lot

[Speaker 11] (1:44:01 - 1:44:15)
Yeah, let's note it on the demolition and erosion control plan. You can see close to the VFW building there's sort of a dashed line that goes north-south. That's the new location of the culvert.

[Speaker 10] (1:44:17 - 1:44:18)
Hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:44:22 - 1:44:32)
Okay, so when we were having our conversations before, that seemed like something that just couldn't be worked around. But I guess now we've found a way to work around it. Okay?

[Speaker 10] (1:44:34 - 1:44:41)
Um my other question was uh just w what about in terms of uh

[Speaker 10] (1:44:42 - 1:44:50)
You know, we have a climate action plan here. We're trying to instill and require as much as possible buildings that are all electric,

[Speaker 10] (1:44:50 - 1:44:52)
heat pumps, solar.

[Speaker 10] (1:44:52 - 1:44:57)
What are the plans in that regard?

[Speaker 1] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59)
Good question.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:00 - 1:45:03)
I don't know if we've fully worked it out in our most recent.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:03 - 1:45:11)
Developments, we are passive house certified and all electric and extremely green.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:11 - 1:45:14)
I would imagine we would do something similar here.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:15 - 1:45:23)
We have architects are still at this very conceptual level and we have not yet engaged mechanical engineers and things like that.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:23 - 1:45:28)
So I think it will be a very high standard of green which is what the state requires for affordable housing.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:30 - 1:45:30)
Um,

[Speaker 10] (1:45:31 - 1:45:32)
Okay. Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
oh,

[Speaker 10] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
you're

[Speaker 1] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
is that right?

[Speaker 10] (1:45:32 - 1:45:45)
showing the mechanical kind of equipment on top of the building just and with the sloped roofs and everything I don't really doesn't really seem like solar is kind of in the cards with that type of design.

[Speaker 10] (1:45:45 - 1:45:46)
Is that wrong?

[Speaker 1] (1:45:46 - 1:45:53)
You're raising a good point and I would say we need to look into it more.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:54 - 1:45:55)
I would like solar on this building.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:56 - 1:46:01)
And if we can do it on sloped roofs and somehow think creatively about this,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:02 - 1:46:03)
we'll try to make it happen.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:08 - 1:46:13)
I probably should know this, what what level of requirement we have in town for it to be that way in terms of

[Speaker 10] (1:46:16 - 1:46:18)
Ted, you got any comments on that?

[Speaker 1] (1:46:18 - 1:46:19)
So you have stretch code right?

[Speaker 10] (1:46:19 - 1:46:21)
Yep, we're super stretch.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:23 - 1:46:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:23 - 1:46:27)
And most communities are, so we'll be looking into it definitely.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:30 - 1:46:32)
And then, you

[Speaker 10] (1:46:35 - 1:46:39)
know, a fundamental thing here is getting vets.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:39 - 1:46:39)
in here.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:40 - 1:47:02)
So I know that's not necessarily we're looking at a schematic design, but uh you know I think that in the broader sense of the community that's you know the most important thing. Um so had did you have anything to share tonight about your thoughts and ways in which whether with soldier on or any other way in which we're gonna ensure that we get Swamscott vets that are living here?

[Speaker 1] (1:47:03 - 1:47:30)
Uh we are going to market the heck out of this to make sure that every veteran who might possibly want to live here is aware of it and is aware of our timing for the application process and lottery process that comes out. So honestly everyone in this room, I would like to, unless enlist your help, there will be email blasts and information sessions and things like that that

[Speaker 1] (1:47:30 - 1:47:33)
we will be getting the word out.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:34 - 1:47:39)
Yeah, and we're working with Soldier On who has a massive contact list also.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:40 - 1:47:52)
I know that we've Mike Sweeney has been a part of these conversations, our uh veterans' agent and the last conversation I had with um Mike involved

[Speaker 7] (1:47:54 - 1:47:58)
uh confidentiality of veterans uh and

[Speaker 7] (1:47:58 - 1:48:00)
Once you guys give him the information,

[Speaker 7] (1:48:00 - 1:48:01)
he can get the information out.

[Speaker 7] (1:48:03 - 1:48:11)
So he's very keen to also partner up with you guys to make sure that he's getting the information out to all the right folks.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:11 - 1:48:12)
Great. Wonderful.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:13 - 1:48:16)
On that topic, so is it fair to say that

[Speaker 11] (1:48:16 - 1:48:24)
Um so sixty percent of this housing will be available for people who make sixty nine thousand dollars or less?

[Speaker 7] (1:48:25 - 1:48:25)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:25 - 1:48:26)
No, that's just the income band.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:26 - 1:48:27)
That's the income

[Speaker 1] (1:48:27 - 1:48:27)
Yeah,

[Speaker 11] (1:48:27 - 1:48:28)
so just can you

[Speaker 1] (1:48:28 - 1:48:28)
all

[Speaker 11] (1:48:28 - 1:48:29)
just every unit.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:29 - 1:48:31)
of the housing. Every single unit,

[Speaker 7] (1:48:31 - 1:48:31)
Is affordable.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:31 - 1:48:39)
all 41 will have income restrictions on it, every single unit, and the income maximum that we're proposing.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:40 - 1:48:42)
is 60 percent of the area area

[Speaker 11] (1:48:42 - 1:48:43)
Area

[Speaker 1] (1:48:43 - 1:48:43)
medium

[Speaker 11] (1:48:43 - 1:48:43)
moderate.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:43 - 1:48:44)
income.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:44 - 1:48:44)
Right, right.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:44 - 1:48:46)
Sorry for that confusion. That's

[Speaker 10] (1:48:46 - 1:48:46)
Is there

[Speaker 1] (1:48:46 - 1:48:46)
the income

[Speaker 10] (1:48:46 - 1:48:49)
a two tier to it? Or is it all just under sixty?

[Speaker 11] (1:48:49 - 1:48:49)
I thought we Is had

[Speaker 10] (1:48:49 - 1:48:50)
there a a three? thirty and a sixty

[Speaker 11] (1:48:50 - 1:48:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (1:48:50 - 1:48:51)
or yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:51 - 1:48:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:48:51 - 1:48:51)
there we go.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:51 - 1:48:54)
So all of them, sixty and below.

[Speaker 7] (1:48:54 - 1:48:55)
Some of them.

[Speaker 10] (1:48:55 - 1:48:57)
Right, but what proportion of each yeah?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:57 - 1:49:02)
I think we do we have sixty, fifty, sixty percent A_M_I_ units, fifty percent

[Speaker 11] (1:49:02 - 1:49:02)
Sixty

[Speaker 1] (1:49:02 - 1:49:03)
A_M_U_

[Speaker 11] (1:49:03 - 1:49:03)
and a couple

[Speaker 1] (1:49:03 - 1:49:03)
A_M_I_

[Speaker 11] (1:49:03 - 1:49:04)
they have

[Speaker 1] (1:49:04 - 1:49:04)
units.

[Speaker 11] (1:49:04 - 1:49:05)
a fifteen.

[Speaker 11] (1:49:07 - 1:49:07)
Um thirty

[Speaker 12] (1:49:07 - 1:49:07)
Thirty.

[Speaker 11] (1:49:07 - 1:49:09)
percent. Fifteen. Fifteen Euro.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:10 - 1:49:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:10 - 1:49:15)
percent and the and the remainder uh is fifty and sixty percent with the majority being sixty.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:16 - 1:49:18)
Alright so just walk us through this only because just in case.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:19 - 1:49:29)
anybody from the line item is on here. C if we just start getting this information out. So you're saying fifteen units will be available for people who make what or less?

[Speaker 4] (1:49:29 - 1:49:29)
Thirty percent

[Speaker 5] (1:49:29 - 1:49:30)
Thirty percent of

[Speaker 4] (1:49:30 - 1:49:30)
area

[Speaker 5] (1:49:30 - 1:49:30)
the uh

[Speaker 4] (1:49:30 - 1:49:31)
median income.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:31 - 1:49:32)
or below.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:32 - 1:49:34)
And what do we know what that dollar amount

[Speaker 4] (1:49:34 - 1:49:34)
Ooh,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:34 - 1:49:34)
is?

[Speaker 4] (1:49:34 - 1:49:36)
I didn't pull that up today. But

[Speaker 4] (1:49:37 - 1:49:40)
Is that forty thousand dollars ish?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:40 - 1:49:40)
Not even.

[Speaker 6] (1:49:40 - 1:49:40)
Like 30.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:40 - 1:49:41)
And it adjusts

[Speaker 1] (1:49:41 - 1:49:42)
So the so

[Speaker 4] (1:49:42 - 1:49:43)
every year?

[Speaker 6] (1:49:43 - 1:49:44)
35 probably.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:44 - 1:49:47)
So the area medium income you said was sixty nine thousand?

[Speaker 4] (1:49:47 - 1:49:49)
No, that is the sixty percent

[Speaker 7] (1:49:49 - 1:49:49)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:49:49 - 1:49:49)
of

[Speaker 7] (1:49:49 - 1:49:50)
that's 60

[Speaker 4] (1:49:50 - 1:49:50)
a area.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:50 - 1:49:50)
%?

[Speaker 4] (1:49:50 - 1:49:50)
Sorry, I

[Speaker 7] (1:49:50 - 1:49:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:50 - 1:49:51)
didn't mean to confuse you.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:51 - 1:49:52)
Yeah, no,

[Speaker 4] (1:49:52 - 1:49:52)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:49:52 - 1:49:52)
that's

[Speaker 4] (1:49:52 - 1:49:52)
apologize.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:52 - 1:49:52)
okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:52 - 1:49:53)
That's okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:53 - 1:49:53)
All

[Speaker 7] (1:49:53 - 1:49:54)
That's good we're we're having clarity.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:54 - 1:49:57)
have we have fifteen units is the thirty percent AMI and

[Speaker 6] (1:49:57 - 1:49:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:57 - 1:49:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:58 - 1:49:59)
then how many units

[Speaker 1] (1:50:00 - 1:50:02)
Forgive me, twenty three units will be restricted to

[Speaker 1] (1:50:03 - 1:50:05)
At or below thirty percent.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:05 - 1:50:05)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:50:05 - 1:50:05)
A_

[Speaker 3] (1:50:05 - 1:50:06)
twenty three units.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:06 - 1:50:08)
twenty three units. And the remaining

[Speaker 4] (1:50:08 - 1:50:09)
Let's hear those eighteen.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:10 - 1:50:10)
will be

[Speaker 4] (1:50:10 - 1:50:11)
So that sixty.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:14 - 1:50:19)
The remaining eighteen units will serve eligible households earning up to sixty percent A_M_I_

[Speaker 4] (1:50:21 - 1:50:23)
And that's the number Holly gave earlier, right now.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:23 - 1:50:43)
And then we're going to need clarification on what that income actually is because I attended something with Soldier On I went to like a seminar thing and there's a number of veteran income doesn't even fall into that range that they don't it's exonerated from that formula so we just need to start working.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:44 - 1:50:44)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:44 - 1:50:45)
To find out r really

[Speaker 7] (1:50:45 - 1:50:46)
Like

[Speaker 3] (1:50:46 - 1:50:46)
what

[Speaker 7] (1:50:46 - 1:50:46)
a portion

[Speaker 3] (1:50:46 - 1:50:46)
that means.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:46 - 1:50:48)
of their benefits are not counted

[Speaker 1] (1:50:48 - 1:50:48)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (1:50:48 - 1:50:48)
if so they take

[Speaker 1] (1:50:48 - 1:50:48)
if they

[Speaker 7] (1:50:48 - 1:50:48)
an

[Speaker 1] (1:50:48 - 1:50:49)
get veteran benefits

[Speaker 3] (1:50:49 - 1:50:49)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:49 - 1:50:53)
or SSDI depending on those things are or not calculated.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:53 - 1:50:53)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:53 - 1:50:53)
I,

[Speaker 7] (1:50:53 - 1:50:55)
So we should get somebody

[Speaker 1] (1:50:55 - 1:50:55)
sorry, I shouldn't

[Speaker 7] (1:50:55 - 1:50:56)
in

[Speaker 1] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
assume

[Speaker 7] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
who

[Speaker 1] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
that.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:56 - 1:50:58)
can have a conversation with that.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:58 - 1:50:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:50:58 - 1:51:03)
Okay, seven point three hundred is a three thousand point two percent of AMI put it

[Speaker 7] (1:51:03 - 1:51:07)
Thirty four thousand three hundred is what those twenty

[Speaker 6] (1:51:07 - 1:51:09)
That's for that's for one that's for one

[Speaker 7] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
senior.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
for one

[Speaker 3] (1:51:09 - 1:51:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10)
person.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (1:51:10 - 1:51:12)
Two would be thirty nine thousand two hundred dollars.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:14 - 1:51:17)
So can two people live in one of these units? Uh, oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:17 - 1:51:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:18 - 1:51:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:18 - 1:51:20)
Mm-hmm. Okay. Alright. And

[Speaker 3] (1:51:25 - 1:51:26)
It's good.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:26 - 1:51:27)
Okay. Go ahead, David.

[Speaker 10] (1:51:27 - 1:51:37)
No. So had there been, had there been contin, like ongoing discussions with the veterans stakeholders, with members of the VFW and the DAV?

[Speaker 4] (1:51:39 - 1:51:40)
Regarding these plans?

[Speaker 10] (1:51:40 - 1:51:41)
Regarding, yes, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:41 - 1:51:41)
No,

[Speaker 10] (1:51:41 - 1:51:41)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:41 - 1:51:42)
not yet.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:51:43 - 1:51:56)
Um how is the visitor parking gonna work for the development, since this is already gonna be fairly tight, and previously with other larger developments uh we've restricted

[Speaker 10] (1:51:57 - 1:52:15)
the recreation stickers for residents of those so so where are you know folks that are coming to visit where are they how is that how is that going to work with the town maybe that's maybe that's a question to you or or to Marzi but it's certainly a concern for for us and for me

[Speaker 4] (1:52:16 - 1:52:20)
Currently, we imagine it being in the shared parking lot.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:20 - 1:52:39)
We in our developments we don't have assigned parking spaces, other than someone who might have a handicap placard or some mobility, extreme mobility issues. So typically the parking shared between residents and visitors, you know, first come first serve.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:40 - 1:52:48)
And there is limited on-street parking nearby. Folks might be on on the street as

[Speaker 4] (1:52:49 - 1:52:50)
it exists currently.

[Speaker 10] (1:52:51 - 1:52:59)
Are the two handicap spots going to be sufficient for for this for this population senior population veterans

[Speaker 4] (1:52:59 - 1:53:00)
That's a good question.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:01 - 1:53:04)
Right now it meets building code according to the architect,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:04 - 1:53:06)
but we could look into adding more spaces.

[Speaker 10] (1:53:07 - 1:53:16)
And then kind of can you can you give us an idea of the timing for your for the funding rounds as to when how that how that timeline would work and

[Speaker 4] (1:53:17 - 1:53:33)
So um the pre-application for the state fundi well I guess backing up even further, Marcy. The uh North Shore Home Consort Consortium has a funding round where this year the deadline was around Labour Day I believe.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:34 - 1:53:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:34 - 1:53:41)
So it would be wonderful if our permitting is underway or even in hand before we apply for that to demonstrate readiness.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:41 - 1:53:43)
So we would apply for that.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:43 - 1:53:48)
And then the pre-application for the state funding round typically happens in October.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:49 - 1:53:55)
So we would ideally have permits in hand and be ready at that point.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:55 - 1:53:59)
And then the application is in the winter.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:00 - 1:54:08)
So winter 2026, we would be prepared to submit an application for low-income housing tax credits and the other state sources.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:09 - 1:54:10)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:54:10 - 1:54:10)
But

[Speaker 7] (1:54:10 - 1:54:10)
then when's

[Speaker 4] (1:54:10 - 1:54:13)
we absolutely need permits in hand to do that.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:13 - 1:54:14)
And then when's the award,

[Speaker 7] (1:54:14 - 1:54:15)
say,

[Speaker 7] (1:54:15 - 1:54:16)
you're successful,

[Speaker 7] (1:54:16 - 1:54:20)
when would funding be received?

[Speaker 4] (1:54:20 - 1:54:22)
Six to nine months later,

[Speaker 7] (1:54:22 - 1:54:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:22 - 1:54:23)
depending

[Speaker 7] (1:54:23 - 1:54:24)
Just so

[Speaker 4] (1:54:24 - 1:54:24)
on the...

[Speaker 7] (1:54:24 - 1:54:26)
we understand the steps and all the steps in the process.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:27 - 1:54:27)
Yeah, depending

[Speaker 6] (1:54:27 - 1:54:27)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:54:27 - 1:54:27)
on

[Speaker 6] (1:54:27 - 1:54:27)
think.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:27 - 1:54:28)
what

[Speaker 7] (1:54:28 - 1:54:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:28 - 1:54:30)
the governor has going on, basically.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:30 - 1:54:30)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:54:30 - 1:54:31)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:54:31 - 1:54:48)
if if everything work worked out just just in cases if everything worked out at what point do we need to have people people's applications in and lined up to get in into this building like what we need to know what our timing is.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:49 - 1:54:50)
If you were funded in that round, say.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:51 - 1:54:55)
Um so we would start construction in March twenty.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:57 - 1:54:58)
27.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:58 - 1:54:58)
Seven.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:58 - 1:54:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:59 - 1:55:03)
And so March 27, October 28.

[Speaker 4] (1:55:04 - 1:55:12)
They aren't complete. I think we're looking at March 2028 is when the marketing process would start in earnest.

[Speaker 4] (1:55:12 - 1:55:19)
Typically it's six months they get going six months before the construction is complete and move-ins can happen.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:21 - 1:55:25)
So that means September 28th is when you're thinking,

[Speaker 7] (1:55:25 - 1:55:26)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:55:26 - 1:55:26)
That scenario,

[Speaker 7] (1:55:26 - 1:55:27)
best scenario,

[Speaker 4] (1:55:27 - 1:55:30)
we get funded in one round and we get permits quickly.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:30 - 1:55:32)
fastest scenario.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:32 - 1:55:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:35 - 1:55:40)
And so you would take applications six months prior to that?

[Speaker 7] (1:55:40 - 1:55:41)
March 28th.

[Speaker 4] (1:55:41 - 1:55:48)
The marketing company that is highly skilled on this very regulated process.

[Speaker 4] (1:55:50 - 1:56:04)
does that effort and yes they would be taking applications and conducting their info sessions and things like that in the months and doing outreach in the months starting six months before occupancy and a lottery probably.

[Speaker 4] (1:56:06 - 1:56:09)
Three months? Three months before occupancy?

[Speaker 3] (1:56:09 - 1:56:13)
So our situation with the Michonne was we were,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:13 - 1:56:17)
the qualifications to get into Michonne were resident,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:17 - 1:56:19)
Swamp Scout resident.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:19 - 1:56:20)
It was the first preferred.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:20 - 1:56:27)
And we have a very low number of Swamp Scout residents that got into the Michonne.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:27 - 1:56:31)
And I actually thought you did a good job of marketing because I heard it all the time.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:33 - 1:56:35)
I wasn't paying attention. It was just constant out there.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:35 - 1:56:35)
However,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:35 - 1:56:41)
to see the numbers of Swamp Scout residents that actually got into that building was disheartening to me.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:41 - 1:56:45)
So the number one preference for this is veterans.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:45 - 1:56:48)
The next preference is Swamp Scout veterans.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:48 - 1:56:49)
So it's veterans,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:49 - 1:56:49)
Swamp Scout veterans.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:50 - 1:56:56)
And I just want to make sure we're doing everything in advance to make sure we have all of our...

[Speaker 3] (1:56:57 - 1:57:19)
folks lined up and you know they know exactly what they need to do and the application process so and I know Mike Sweeney at the last meeting that you had to talk about this Mike Sweeney is ready to go he just needs to get some details and some information so if he can start you know he can start actually marketing in this area okay

[Speaker 4] (1:57:19 - 1:57:20)
Great. Although

[Speaker 4] (1:57:21 - 1:57:28)
Again, it'll be highly regulated and so nobody can apply until this.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:28 - 1:57:29)
when

[Speaker 4] (1:57:29 - 1:57:29)
marketing

[Speaker 3] (1:57:29 - 1:57:29)
we're right

[Speaker 4] (1:57:29 - 1:57:30)
time period.

[Speaker 4] (1:57:30 - 1:57:32)
But they can be ready.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:32 - 1:57:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:32 - 1:57:32)
We

[Speaker 10] (1:57:32 - 1:57:32)
March

[Speaker 3] (1:57:32 - 1:57:33)
just need

[Speaker 7] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33)
20

[Speaker 3] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33)
to have them ready.

[Speaker 4] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:33 - 1:57:35)
28 at the early at the early release

[Speaker 7] (1:57:35 - 1:57:36)
yeah, I think

[Speaker 10] (1:57:36 - 1:57:36)
if all goes well

[Speaker 7] (1:57:36 - 1:57:37)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:57:37 - 1:57:37)
Right

[Speaker 4] (1:57:37 - 1:57:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:37 - 1:57:51)
think what the data points we're looking for is how veterans determine if they could even be eligible for this with it with the income what parts of their income apply towards the income calculation like some of those things we could start maybe getting some maybe not.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:52 - 1:58:05)
tomorrow, but soon getting some information together and so that we can start educating folks in town who are paying attention who want to see this uh want to see themselves here in twenty twenty eight, they can start figuring some of those items out in advance.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:06 - 1:58:09)
Um that way we are more prepared than maybe um

[Speaker 7] (1:58:11 - 1:58:20)
and we have an understanding even prior to application what the population is going to look like to be able to apply. I think that was one of the big things was just making sure people understood.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:21 - 1:58:36)
what documentation they would need, how the calculation is made for um eligible income and maybe that's something we can work with the affordable housing trust also um put out some educational information about.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:37 - 1:58:41)
Maybe we can get Joe to do a video for us and start

[Speaker 1] (1:58:41 - 1:58:41)
That's

[Speaker 7] (1:58:41 - 1:58:47)
see if we can get some information to the senior center and things like that just so people feel very prepared.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:50 - 1:58:52)
I had a couple of questions, if everybody.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:54 - 1:59:00)
So I just talked, and speaking about parking and cars,

[Speaker 7] (1:59:00 - 1:59:04)
can you just speak a little bit more about, because I know you brought up Michonne and the, do you know what the

[Speaker 2] (1:59:10 - 1:59:11)
It was one

[Speaker 3] (1:59:11 - 1:59:14)
Point seven eight was it? Point eight wait which are we here?

[Speaker 3] (1:59:14 - 1:59:15)
Where's

[Speaker 1] (1:59:15 - 1:59:15)
Meshawn.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:15 - 1:59:15)
your apologies.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:15 - 1:59:16)
Oh, yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:16 - 1:59:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:16 - 1:59:17)
Were you here is

[Speaker 2] (1:59:17 - 1:59:19)
It was

[Speaker 2] (1:59:21 - 1:59:22)
It was a point

[Speaker 3] (1:59:22 - 1:59:22)
A point

[Speaker 2] (1:59:22 - 1:59:23)
eight seven.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:23 - 1:59:25)
Eight point eight seven and here we're going for at

[Speaker 2] (1:59:26 - 1:59:26)
Eight five.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:26 - 1:59:28)
Eight five. Okay, so it's very similar to

[Speaker 2] (1:59:28 - 1:59:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:33)
Michonne. And right now, where do the visitors at Michonne park? In the shared parking

[Speaker 3] (1:59:33 - 1:59:33)
In

[Speaker 1] (1:59:33 - 1:59:33)
lot,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:33 - 1:59:33)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:59:33 - 1:59:44)
the shared well, the parking ratio is much higher at Michonne, um but the the spaces there there are more spaces per unit there.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:44 - 1:59:45)
Okay, let's clarify.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:45 - 1:59:46)
Is it Yep. one and a half?

[Speaker 3] (1:59:46 - 1:59:52)
They have one point two five spaces per unit at Michonne. Is that correct?

[Speaker 2] (1:59:52 - 1:59:53)
Forty eight.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:54 - 1:59:55)
Hold on, Hungara's gonna do some math.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:58 - 2:00:00)
I might be wrong, it's just thirty eight units. One

[Speaker 4] (2:00:00 - 2:00:00)
point Wait

[Speaker 3] (2:00:00 - 2:00:01)
one? It's above one.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:01 - 2:00:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:02 - 2:00:03)
Thirty eight minutes.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:03 - 2:00:07)
There are often empty spaces in the parking lot. Often.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:07 - 2:00:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:07 - 2:00:22)
They are often used by people going to soccer games or the playground or things like that, not necessarily for the people living in the building. From information from our property manager, we have learned that

[Speaker 3] (2:00:23 - 2:00:28)
Car ownership at Mashon is you have this one.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:29 - 2:00:30)
That is

[Speaker 3] (2:00:30 - 2:00:32)
The point eight, that's the point eight nine

[Speaker 2] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Mm.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
per

[Speaker 1] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:32 - 2:00:33)
unit.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:33 - 2:00:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:33 - 2:00:36)
So overnight you would imagine at three a.m.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:36 - 2:00:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:36 - 2:00:42)
point eight nine spaces per unit is totally adequate for that population.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:43 - 2:00:55)
We expect here at Veterans Crossing car ownership to actually be lower with the veteran population and the number of 30% AMI units that are here just from the expense of owning,

[Speaker 3] (2:00:56 - 2:01:07)
insuring and paying for a car we think that there'll be more folks that rely on public transportation or other other transportation so we're feeling like it is adequate for

[Speaker 1] (2:01:07 - 2:01:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:07 - 2:01:07)
this

[Speaker 1] (2:01:09 - 2:01:32)
Yes, I was just asking about Michonne to illustrate that given Michonne has had success with a lower with has not had a parking issue has not had a visitors parking issue and taking the same philosophy and applying it here where you actually expect to have even less cars because of the the income levels and the population that it services then should be an even less of a chance that it will be an issue here.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:33 - 2:01:36)
Just to clarify, we are don't have the same parking

[Speaker 1] (2:01:36 - 2:01:36)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:36 - 2:01:37)
provided or

[Speaker 1] (2:01:37 - 2:01:37)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:37 - 2:01:38)
are we gonna wanna

[Speaker 1] (2:01:38 - 2:01:38)
Understood, yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:38 - 2:01:38)
receive questions

[Speaker 1] (2:01:38 - 2:01:39)
I understand that.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:39 - 2:01:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:39 - 2:01:39)
now.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:39 - 2:01:44)
Just uh is the ratio of thirty percent fifty percent similar in Michonne?

[Speaker 3] (2:01:44 - 2:01:46)
There are many more sixty per cent.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:47 - 2:01:50)
The ratio of sixty per cent A_M_I_ units is much higher

[Speaker 5] (2:01:50 - 2:01:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:51 - 2:01:53)
at Michonne than it will be here at Veterans Crossing.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:54 - 2:01:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:55 - 2:02:00)
Um in talking about the mechanicals in the roof well, we'll call it,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:00 - 2:02:10)
Can you speak to or do you have any information on how that might mitigate noise of the mechanicals or do you have any data on noise?

[Speaker 3] (2:02:10 - 2:02:11)
No data.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:11 - 2:02:11)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:11 - 2:02:12)
No data

[Speaker 1] (2:02:12 - 2:02:12)
no

[Speaker 3] (2:02:12 - 2:02:12)
at data that point,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:12 - 2:02:13)
no because

[Speaker 3] (2:02:13 - 2:02:13)
other than

[Speaker 1] (2:02:13 - 2:02:15)
you're not even sure which mechanicals we're putting up there yet.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:15 - 2:02:16)
So, but

[Speaker 3] (2:02:16 - 2:02:19)
Other than it must help because there's a wall,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:19 - 2:02:20)
I would assume that's

[Speaker 3] (2:02:20 - 2:02:21)
basically a wall

[Speaker 1] (2:02:21 - 2:02:21)
right.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:21 - 2:02:22)
and then a slope roof.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:23 - 2:02:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:24 - 2:02:29)
So I would assume that having it embedded in the roof like that must mitigate the noise, which is great.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:30 - 2:02:34)
And then I was just like, hmm, where does the snow go? But that's a you problem,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:34 - 2:02:35)
not an us problem,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:35 - 2:02:37)
but the snow must build up in there,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:37 - 2:02:37)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:02:38 - 2:02:44)
So my understanding is that the property management company contracts in the well.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:44 - 2:02:45)
In the, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:45 - 2:02:45)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:45 - 2:02:45)
in the well.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:45 - 2:02:46)
yeah, in the well.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:47 - 2:02:47)
I'm sure there's room.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:47 - 2:02:48)
It you don't have to

[Speaker 3] (2:02:48 - 2:02:48)
There

[Speaker 1] (2:02:48 - 2:02:48)
answer must today just

[Speaker 3] (2:02:48 - 2:02:49)
be drains for

[Speaker 1] (2:02:49 - 2:02:49)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:49 - 2:02:49)
rain

[Speaker 1] (2:02:49 - 2:02:49)
there must

[Speaker 3] (2:02:49 - 2:02:50)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:02:50 - 2:02:50)
be just drains.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:50 - 2:02:50)
like that.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:50 - 2:02:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:50 - 2:02:55)
Thank you. That is a you problem meaning us problem. So we will ask that question to our people. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:56 - 2:02:59)
It's lovely that there's a deck on the building.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:59 - 2:02:59)
That's great.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:59 - 2:03:03)
There's space for the residents to enjoy outside,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:03 - 2:03:07)
both in the front and the roof area.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:07 - 2:03:09)
Just again,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:09 - 2:03:10)
not a today answer,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:10 - 2:03:14)
but noise mitigation and, you know, respect.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:14 - 2:03:21)
respectfulness of the neighbourhood, I don't know where the roof is in line with people if if their a butters there and they

[Speaker 3] (2:03:21 - 2:03:22)
Can imagine quiet hours.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:22 - 2:03:32)
Quiet hours or but just even visually if they can see into yards or anything like that, if we put up some screening or something, just something to be thoughtful about for neighbourhood privacy and protection.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:33 - 2:03:35)
There's going to immediately be huge trees right here.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:03:36 - 2:04:02)
I was actually going to ask about the landscape plan because I am a liaison to the tree committee so they would be very mad if I didn't. Obviously we would love to understand the land to have the landscape plan keep as many existing mature trees as possible and not have any of any of them removed if possible and if there are going to be replantings that they meet the native plant schedule that we have in town which

[Speaker 1] (2:04:02 - 2:04:06)
which, do you know, can provide to you um if you don't already have it.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:07 - 2:04:09)
Do you see the plan where all the trees are being removed?

[Speaker 1] (2:04:10 - 2:04:12)
Where's that? Sorry, no, Doug, I didn't see that, that's

[Speaker 5] (2:04:12 - 2:04:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:12 - 2:04:16)
why I asked the question. But y this is the landscape plan here, right? So all of these

[Speaker 5] (2:04:16 - 2:04:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:16 - 2:04:18)
are going back in. And I assume this

[Speaker 5] (2:04:18 - 2:04:18)
I don't know.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:19 - 2:04:19)
It's

[Speaker 1] (2:04:19 - 2:04:22)
what, C103 is that the landscape

[Speaker 3] (2:04:22 - 2:04:22)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:04:22 - 2:04:22)
plan?

[Speaker 3] (2:04:22 - 2:04:23)
believe that is the landscape plan, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:24 - 2:04:28)
Okay. So it does look like the whole back property and some of them are quite

[Speaker 1] (2:04:29 - 2:04:34)
um significant in size, I believe if the circles indicate how big the tree is.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:34 - 2:04:35)
Do you have to do that?

[Speaker 2] (2:04:38 - 2:04:38)
Maybe if we just

[Speaker 3] (2:04:39 - 2:04:41)
Depending on the cover

[Speaker 5] (2:04:41 - 2:04:41)
I think the

[Speaker 3] (2:04:41 - 2:04:41)
work.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:41 - 2:04:42)
cover

[Speaker 2] (2:04:42 - 2:04:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:42 - 2:04:46)
and I think the cover worked. And one of them might be right in the fence line,

[Speaker 5] (2:04:46 - 2:04:49)
because the neighbour's encroached quite a bit onto that property.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:50 - 2:04:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:50 - 2:04:53)
Were the existing fences, is it where the property line is?

[Speaker 2] (2:04:53 - 2:04:54)
Mm.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:54 - 2:04:57)
So we're pushing them we're pushing that neighbor back or pushing that fence back

[Speaker 5] (2:04:57 - 2:04:58)
A good ten feet.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:59 - 2:04:59)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:04:59 - 2:04:59)
Well

[Speaker 1] (2:04:59 - 2:05:00)
the property line.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:00 - 2:05:02)
The town is reclaiming their land.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:02 - 2:05:06)
Exactly. And I've met with the residents last week and they have a fine with it.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:06 - 2:05:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:06 - 2:05:09)
I said thank you for letting us use it for the last so many years.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:10 - 2:05:10)
Oh, that's pleasant.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:10 - 2:05:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:11 - 2:05:16)
Okay. Um, let's see.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:20 - 2:05:21)
Is everything I wrote down.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:22 - 2:05:25)
Does anyone else, any follow-up questions or any additional questions?

[Speaker 2] (2:05:25 - 2:05:33)
I just want to know if the planning board has seen these or if the planning board has

[Speaker 3] (2:05:34 - 2:05:35)
We are following the

[Speaker 2] (2:05:35 - 2:05:37)
you're following the LDA.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:37 - 2:05:37)
rule of the

[Speaker 2] (2:05:37 - 2:05:38)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:38 - 2:05:39)
yeah of the land agreement.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:40 - 2:05:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:40 - 2:05:40)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:05:40 - 2:05:44)
Marzi has shared them with the planning board.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:44 - 2:05:45)
And we

[Speaker 2] (2:05:45 - 2:05:45)
Well, invited the chair

[Speaker 1] (2:05:45 - 2:05:45)
them,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:45 - 2:05:46)
or person is here.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:46 - 2:06:03)
and we invited them to attend the meeting. Uh and also the plans, the schematic design plans will be available on the um town website so that publicly they're available. And again, as Holly stated in her introduction,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:03 - 2:06:08)
this is the first stop of the conversation and then um

[Speaker 1] (2:06:10 - 2:06:12)
we will uh discuss.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:13 - 2:06:15)
And then uh

[Speaker 2] (2:06:16 - 2:06:17)
What is it? What is then the date?

[Speaker 1] (2:06:17 - 2:06:19)
they go what is the date?

[Speaker 2] (2:06:19 - 2:06:20)
What do we have? How many days do we have?

[Speaker 2] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21)
Oh

[Speaker 2] (2:06:21 - 2:06:24)
Forty five. We need to submit comments by July 14th.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:26 - 2:06:27)
Where are the comments?

[Speaker 1] (2:06:27 - 2:06:28)
Um yes

[Speaker 2] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
Wait,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
on

[Speaker 2] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
hopefully

[Speaker 1] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
these.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:28 - 2:06:32)
the comments prior to that so that it could be approved by that day.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:33 - 2:06:38)
Right, I think the approval they would like in forty five days. So the idea is that we would provide feedback

[Speaker 1] (2:06:39 - 2:06:46)
between now and next meeting, and then if there is takeaways that they would come back with enhancements based on those takeaways.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:50 - 2:06:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:50 - 2:06:52)
So how do we get this in front of the neighbors?

[Speaker 1] (2:06:55 - 2:06:57)
Oh, we could propose a public

[Speaker 2] (2:06:57 - 2:06:58)
Neighbourhood meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:58 - 2:06:59)
neighbourhood meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:02 - 2:07:03)
There there are

[Speaker 1] (2:07:04 - 2:07:04)
Margie?

[Speaker 7] (2:07:07 - 2:07:08)
Yes, so if I may just just comment.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:10 - 2:07:11)
So per the LDA,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:12 - 2:07:15)
the select board is the entity that provides the comments.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:15 - 2:07:24)
I'm happy to hold a neighborhood meeting to share it with the neighbors and maybe report back to you if that's what you prefer,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:24 - 2:07:30)
but it's really up to this board how you wanted to address the comments or regarding the project.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:30 - 2:07:33)
Well, so there's like a couple questions here is one is

[Speaker 9] (2:07:34 - 2:07:57)
What happens if you have some neighbours that are like look where that where that deck is there that deck's looking into my bedroom window and can you move that deck here or there or um I don't know I'd like to know if the planning what the planning board has to say where is the actual is there an outdoor dumpster for trash or is that trash kept inside?

[Speaker 9] (2:07:58 - 2:07:59)
It is. It is.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:59 - 2:08:00)
And actually there's some

[Speaker 9] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
Is that it?

[Speaker 3] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
actually

[Speaker 2] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
You p

[Speaker 3] (2:08:00 - 2:08:01)
a pre-approved

[Speaker 9] (2:08:01 - 2:08:01)
That's it there.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:01 - 2:08:02)
tracked rooms.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:02 - 2:08:03)
There's a room, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:03 - 2:08:03)
Can I Trash be responsible

[Speaker 9] (2:08:03 - 2:08:04)
room and then

[Speaker 1] (2:08:04 - 2:08:04)
to share it?

[Speaker 2] (2:08:05 - 2:08:05)
Tracings.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:05 - 2:08:06)
Diana.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:06 - 2:08:07)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:07 - 2:08:08)
Do you want me to bring that up please?

[Speaker 3] (2:08:08 - 2:08:10)
The, I guess the layout plan.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:11 - 2:08:12)
Yeah, the layouts.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:12 - 2:08:14)
Have us on one.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:17 - 2:08:20)
Oh we also have the smoker smoking shower.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:22 - 2:08:24)
It's page, it's a page four.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:36 - 2:08:37)
See one on one.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:41 - 2:08:42)
Keep going, Diane.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:42 - 2:08:43)
Stop.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:43 - 2:08:43)
Keep going.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:44 - 2:08:44)
I'll

[Speaker 1] (2:08:44 - 2:08:44)
Like that one.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:44 - 2:08:44)
tell you.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:45 - 2:08:45)
Here it goes.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:46 - 2:08:46)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:46 - 2:08:47)
Give me one on zoom.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:48 - 2:08:49)
Can we ask where to zoom?

[Speaker 2] (2:08:50 - 2:08:51)
I don't know. I don't

[Speaker 2] (2:08:52 - 2:08:53)
Do you have it?

[Speaker 9] (2:08:53 - 2:08:53)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:53 - 2:08:54)
Yeah, we have

[Speaker 2] (2:08:54 - 2:08:54)
Oh, it here. you have it?

[Speaker 1] (2:08:54 - 2:08:54)
Let's

[Speaker 2] (2:08:54 - 2:08:55)
Then

[Speaker 1] (2:08:55 - 2:08:55)
in.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:55 - 2:08:55)
it's not in there.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:58 - 2:08:58)
Signature. And

[Speaker 1] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
So it looks like in the

[Speaker 1] (2:09:03 - 2:09:03)
there

[Speaker 2] (2:09:03 - 2:09:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:03 - 2:09:05)
is there's a trash

[Speaker 2] (2:09:05 - 2:09:05)
Trash.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:05 - 2:09:06)
area.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:06 - 2:09:13)
It has the trash area with the thought that a trash truck could come in through the driveway,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:13 - 2:09:19)
circle around and reverse to get the trash and see if not. There's also,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:19 - 2:09:21)
what is that labelled?

[Speaker 2] (2:09:21 - 2:09:26)
In the corner, a smoking shed,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:26 - 2:09:28)
which has been recommended to us.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:28 - 2:09:29)
I'm sorry, what?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:29 - 2:09:29)
A

[Speaker 2] (2:09:29 - 2:09:29)
A

[Speaker 3] (2:09:29 - 2:09:30)
smoking shed?

[Speaker 2] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30)
smoking shed

[Speaker 3] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:09:30 - 2:09:31)
has

[Speaker 3] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31)
the whole

[Speaker 2] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31)
been

[Speaker 3] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31)
parking

[Speaker 2] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31)
recommended

[Speaker 3] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31)
lot?

[Speaker 2] (2:09:31 - 2:09:35)
to us. Our building is non-smoking, but especially with the veterans'

[Speaker 2] (2:09:35 - 2:09:42)
population, to have a place that basically looks like a, almost like a bus shelter to go to smoke.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:43 - 2:09:44)
So where does that go?

[Speaker 4] (2:09:44 - 2:09:44)
Is that right next to

[Speaker 2] (2:09:44 - 2:09:44)
Near

[Speaker 4] (2:09:44 - 2:09:45)
the trash?

[Speaker 2] (2:09:45 - 2:09:46)
the trash. Next to the trash.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:51 - 2:09:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:55 - 2:09:55)
Noted.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:01 - 2:10:03)
Okay, so as the LDA states,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:03 - 2:10:10)
we are the ones who give the commentary back to the NAIC. So if we would like public comment in this process,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:10 - 2:10:17)
then I think we can certainly invite them to be a part of it. But it's on us to get the feedback in order to give the comments.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:18 - 2:10:24)
If we would like to set up um neighbourhood a neighbourhood meeting, also a veterans meeting

[Speaker 2] (2:10:24 - 2:10:25)
Vet meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:25 - 2:10:29)
of the veteran stakeholders to present, I think that

[Speaker 5] (2:10:29 - 2:10:29)
Or

[Speaker 1] (2:10:29 - 2:10:29)
is

[Speaker 5] (2:10:29 - 2:10:30)
or just

[Speaker 1] (2:10:30 - 2:10:30)
or

[Speaker 5] (2:10:30 - 2:10:32)
have one a public meeting is a part of

[Speaker 2] (2:10:32 - 2:10:32)
our Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:32 - 2:10:32)
next meeting.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:32 - 2:10:33)
For a

[Speaker 1] (2:10:33 - 2:10:33)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:35 - 2:10:41)
Yeah, or we can have a separate one. I mean, it it might t uh in order to hear the feedback that is often like

[Speaker 2] (2:10:41 - 2:10:42)
Right. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:42 - 2:10:43)
less

[Speaker 5] (2:10:44 - 2:10:44)
Conducive

[Speaker 1] (2:10:44 - 2:10:44)
this is just this

[Speaker 5] (2:10:44 - 2:10:45)
to have it here.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:45 - 2:10:47)
this just my t my opinion, but open to anything.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:48 - 2:10:57)
It can be intimidating to come to a select board meeting and to have public feedback like that. If it's just related to this one topic, it maybe is a little bit more comfortable for people to give feedback on it.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:58 - 2:10:59)
It's like something at the senior center,

[Speaker 6] (2:10:59 - 2:11:00)
something a little

[Speaker 1] (2:11:01 - 2:11:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:01 - 2:11:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:02 - 2:11:03)
I think that would be a good idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:03 - 2:11:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:03 - 2:11:04)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:11:04 - 2:11:06)
So I think we'd like to try to do that, Marcy, and

[Speaker 5] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
Sooner

[Speaker 1] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
be in touch.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:06 - 2:11:07)
rather than later.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:07 - 2:11:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:08 - 2:11:12)
And we can certainly see if you all are available and like to join us. We'd be happy to have you.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:13 - 2:11:18)
Um we can make this presentation available, make sure the neighbours and the stakeholders know.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:19 - 2:11:20)
So that would all have to happen in the next two weeks before

[Speaker 6] (2:11:20 - 2:11:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:20 - 2:11:21)
our next meeting?

[Speaker 6] (2:11:22 - 2:11:22)
Ideally.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:24 - 2:11:44)
I mean, we can we can schedule it next week. I mean, I think that we have um tried to do our best to really reach out to all of the the residents um on and all of the um surrounding the property so that they're aware of anything that's going on on site as well as um really communicating with the the leaders of the the VFW as well. So we

[Speaker 6] (2:11:44 - 2:11:53)
I mean, it I think the biggest thing that came up when we had that public meeting on the what was that the 30th April 30th?

[Speaker 6] (2:11:53 - 2:12:10)
One of the biggest questions that came up was the selection of who one of the biggest concerns that came up was the selection of who was going to give it get in there and yeah that's pretty much it who was who was going to actually get in there and I think there is a

[Speaker 6] (2:12:12 - 2:12:20)
I I don't know there was one individual um that kept bringing it up and about the process on how people are getting in and

[Speaker 2] (2:12:20 - 2:12:23)
So we're not going to have a draft tenant selection plan

[Speaker 6] (2:12:23 - 2:12:23)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:23 - 2:12:24)
then for

[Speaker 1] (2:12:24 - 2:12:24)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:24 - 2:12:28)
this submission and for the comprehensive permit submission?

[Speaker 6] (2:12:28 - 2:12:29)
Right. I think my, I'm

[Speaker 2] (2:12:29 - 2:12:29)
We

[Speaker 6] (2:12:29 - 2:12:29)
sorry.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:29 - 2:12:31)
know we understand that that's

[Speaker 6] (2:12:31 - 2:12:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:12:31 - 2:12:31)
very

[Speaker 6] (2:12:31 - 2:12:32)
my important point was

[Speaker 2] (2:12:32 - 2:12:32)
piece

[Speaker 6] (2:12:32 - 2:12:32)
that was

[Speaker 2] (2:12:32 - 2:12:32)
of the

[Speaker 6] (2:12:32 - 2:12:32)
the only

[Speaker 2] (2:12:32 - 2:12:32)
application.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:32 - 2:12:36)
thing that, that was the biggest thing that came up and then the second biggest thing was parking.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:38 - 2:12:39)
Yeah, so we whatever

[Speaker 6] (2:12:39 - 2:12:41)
So, whatever they, what,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:41 - 2:12:41)
they maintain term.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:41 - 2:12:47)
no no I just think, I think people, just as long as people have a chance to say

[Speaker 6] (2:12:47 - 2:12:58)
you know, I don't want I don't want smoking over here or I don't want a balcony over there or I want my trees here, whatever. And another concern that I have is any recommendations from the planning board,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:59 - 2:13:01)
you know, to give us

[Speaker 5] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
They don't.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:01 - 2:13:02)
input.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:02 - 2:13:02)
It's promised.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:05 - 2:13:09)
Martha, you just want to make sure whatever we decide to send out to the neighbors and the stakeholders,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:09 - 2:13:15)
we inform them that this is only approval of a schematic design phase and that will help maybe alleviate.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:15 - 2:13:22)
We're certainly glad to give them all the information we have, but there's not a lot of information to be had right now about selection and we're not

[Speaker 2] (2:13:22 - 2:13:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:22 - 2:13:24)
being as transparent as we can be,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:24 - 2:13:27)
but we also don't want to give information today that's going to be wrong tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:27 - 2:13:34)
So I think as long as we highlight that the purpose of this is review of schematic design and input on...

[Speaker 1] (2:13:35 - 2:13:42)
the um design as proposed that it's probably most helpful for us to then give the appropriate comment for the LDA.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:44 - 2:13:44)
That makes sense.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:46 - 2:13:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:48 - 2:13:49)
Anything further?

[Speaker 1] (2:13:50 - 2:13:51)
All right. Well, thank you both very much.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (2:13:51 - 2:13:52)
Appreciate

[Speaker 2] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
you.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
it.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:52 - 2:13:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:56 - 2:13:57)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:57 - 2:14:00)
I think we are on to our presentation.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:02 - 2:14:05)
Or mission on the Bay Seawall.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:08 - 2:14:13)
Right, I think Diane you have a presentation for this one as well if you wouldn't mind pulling it up.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:14 - 2:14:17)
I'm as ready as I'll ever be.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:17 - 2:14:17)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:18 - 2:14:18)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:19 - 2:14:21)
If you want to just introduce yourself again.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:21 - 2:14:25)
Sure. My name is Ann Martin with LEC Environmental Consultants.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:25 - 2:14:28)
We are doing the permitting.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:29 - 2:14:33)
for the repair of the seawall.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
Excellent.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:35 - 2:14:36)
This is Marty Bloom.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:37 - 2:14:37)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (2:14:37 - 2:14:37)
He

[Speaker 5] (2:14:37 - 2:14:38)
hi.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:38 - 2:14:40)
is one of the owners of Swampscott Realty Trust and

[Speaker 5] (2:14:40 - 2:14:41)
Hi there.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:41 - 2:14:41)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:14:41 - 2:14:41)
Hello.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:41 - 2:14:43)
Mission on the Bay restaurant.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:46 - 2:14:49)
I realized that I did not, you have a copy of the presentation.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:49 - 2:14:54)
I don't know if you've read it. You don't have to raise your hand and admit whether or not you did.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:54 - 2:14:58)
I know you have a long agenda so I'm going to try and...

[Speaker 7] (2:14:59 - 2:15:04)
Give it to you you know cliff notes ask whatever questions you want.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:05 - 2:15:24)
I realized at the beginning I did not list what the end game was of to why I was here and I realized sitting here it would be important to give that to you in the beginning and essentially we are here because a portion of the work in order for us to repair the wall will require us to perform work on the town's property.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:25 - 2:15:29)
And I need to start a permit process with local,

[Speaker 7] (2:15:29 - 2:15:29)
state,

[Speaker 7] (2:15:29 - 2:15:33)
and federal agencies that includes the MEPA process.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:33 - 2:15:35)
I'm not sure if you're familiar with that.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:35 - 2:15:37)
It's a very public process.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:37 - 2:15:38)
You will get copies of it.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:38 - 2:15:42)
And I would love for you to read every page of what I write and give to you.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:43 - 2:15:52)
But I don't feel comfortable, nor do I think it's appropriate for me to start that process and start speaking publicly about something that would involve work on.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:53 - 2:16:17)
your land so that's essentially it's kind of to update you where we are and to get authorization in whatever format that is in order for me to start moving forward and I'll explain a little bit that more but so these are two pictures of the site of where it occurred the top picture is when the wall failed

[Speaker 9] (2:16:19 - 2:16:23)
There is a giant rock in the left-hand corner of the picture.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:24 - 2:16:28)
Note that because that appears repeatedly in other photos,

[Speaker 9] (2:16:28 - 2:16:31)
and it will help give you some context when you're looking at the plans.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:32 - 2:16:38)
The bottom photo is essentially what it looks like today with a temporary repair,

[Speaker 9] (2:16:38 - 2:16:42)
and you can see that large rock in the front.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:44 - 2:16:46)
So if you can switch to the next page.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:51 - 2:16:54)
Can you zoom on? Can you? No? Oh wow,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:54 - 2:16:54)
No problem.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:54 - 2:16:55)
that's terrible.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:55 - 2:16:55)
I know.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:55 - 2:16:58)
I didn't realize it was going to do that.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:59 - 2:17:05)
So this is just a quick run through of where we've been since May 2023.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:05 - 2:17:08)
We went through a bunch of emergency authorizations that included the town,

[Speaker 9] (2:17:08 - 2:17:11)
all the other state agencies allowing that repair.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:12 - 2:17:19)
We ended up having to retain two surveyors, just a regular surveyor and then a geospatial survey because

[Speaker 9] (2:17:20 - 2:17:25)
Part of the failure was underneath the building. It took a lot of time for them to do their survey.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:25 - 2:17:29)
One of the issues that came up was where were the property boundaries.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:29 - 2:17:30)
On the assessor's map,

[Speaker 9] (2:17:31 - 2:17:33)
the property boundary is at the wall.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:34 - 2:17:42)
The surveyor did a tremendous amount of registry of deeds research to discover that the

[Speaker 9] (2:17:42 - 2:17:59)
property boundaries come all the way to low water and as you know at King's Beach low water is way out there so on the plan that's in front of you that kind of gold or yellow outline that's kind of the property boundary as it comes out and you can see that the town owns

[Speaker 9] (2:17:59 - 2:18:03)
The former Anthony's Pier 4 on one side.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:03 - 2:18:08)
There's the brick plaza that's there and then the town also owns Kings Beach.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:08 - 2:18:12)
So we're right-in-between all property owned by the town.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:16 - 2:18:23)
We also did a tremendous amount of historical research my office did for water ways permitting.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:25 - 2:18:25)
And...

[Speaker 9] (2:18:26 - 2:18:52)
The blue line you see on the plan is the historic high water line which establishes the waterways jurisdiction on this site and for this project and that took a tremendous amount of time and we've spent we spent about a year and over a year year plus I won't say a year and a half a year plus in discussions and negotiations with them about where that line was.

[Speaker 7] (2:18:53 - 2:18:54)
What historical maps we use.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:57 - 2:19:16)
and then discussing the permitability under waterways and what the permitting path would be. During this process, we discovered that when the restaurant was renovated, a waterways license was not obtained. So now, as part of the wall repair.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:17 - 2:19:39)
And we will also be obtaining a waterways license for the restaurant and that bringing that into the equation complicated things and it was important to gain their input and weigh in on what our permitting path under their regulations would be because they're very explicit and they're very narrow.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:42 - 2:19:50)
And they were the only ones really other than the Conservation Commission who knew that we were talking about work on town land.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:52 - 2:19:54)
We have met,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:54 - 2:19:59)
we also had a structural engineer who has looked at this, has come up with a couple alternatives.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:01 - 2:20:03)
I have those plans coming back.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:03 - 2:20:05)
We've updated the Conservation Commission,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:05 - 2:20:10)
tried to stay in touch with Tony. Tony, I think I appeared before the commission twice.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:13)
Tony, some speed dial,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:13 - 2:20:17)
I tell her, call me anytime you want to ask me whatever it is that you have a question about.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:19 - 2:20:27)
We had a meeting with multiple state agencies at Tony's request and attempt to kind of get their input and weigh in.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:28 - 2:20:34)
They were hesitant to weigh in until they have a MIPA filing sitting in front of them,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:34 - 2:20:37)
hence why I'm here before you.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:39 - 2:20:42)
So the next plan shows one of the options.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:43 - 2:20:51)
So this is an option where it's basically a revetment. You're continuing to stabilize the entire wall,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:51 - 2:20:55)
not just patch in front of where the failure was.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:55 - 2:20:56)
Both solutions,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:57 - 2:21:00)
neither is just a patch for the section that failed.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:00 - 2:21:04)
It's a solution to shore up that entire wall there.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:05 - 2:21:08)
In the light gray you can see there's a little bump out.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:08 - 2:21:12)
That's where that large boulder rock is located.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:12 - 2:21:21)
The area shaded in blue is the footprint of where the revetment would be on the town-owned property.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:22 - 2:21:27)
For either solution we will need to have access to bring construction equipment in,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:27 - 2:21:33)
same way we did for the temporary fix coming in off of the ramps and across the beach.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:39)
With this option, similar to way the way the emergency repair was done,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:40 - 2:21:56)
a truck will come in, dump rocks on the beach, those rocks will be placed, they'll only pile them up for whatever they can do during low tide. It's a pretty straightforward operation. Do you remember how long he said that was going to take

[Speaker 2] (2:21:57 - 2:21:58)
What to uh?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:58 - 2:22:01)
to do this option, to do this, to build this?

[Speaker 2] (2:22:01 - 2:22:03)
Uh a couple weeks he said.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:04 - 2:22:04)
True

[Speaker 1] (2:22:04 - 2:22:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:04 - 2:22:05)
true true X_

[Speaker 2] (2:22:05 - 2:22:05)
Wait.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:06 - 2:22:06)
Probably uh

[Speaker 1] (2:22:08 - 2:22:12)
three weeks a month. So it's a it's a pretty it's a pretty straight forward

[Speaker 2] (2:22:12 - 2:22:14)
We're straight on so we we only can do it obviously at low tide.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:15 - 2:22:15)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:15 - 2:22:22)
But uh I mean we got this thing shored up in case everybody forgets pretty quickly. So we're just being generous, we might be able to move it quicker with the right team.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:24 - 2:22:25)
It's a soft solution.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:28 - 2:22:39)
The next slide just shows you a section of what it, you know, the slope of what it's gonna look like in relationship to the wall that's there now. That triangle shape that kind of looks like a

[Speaker 1] (2:22:42 - 2:22:48)
upside down uh funnel, that is kind of like basically the existing wall. So you can see how it abuts up against the existing wall.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:49 - 2:22:51)
And in that section C,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:51 - 2:22:56)
you can see how it comes up underneath the building where it failed underneath the building.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:58 - 2:23:02)
The next slide is the other option,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:02 - 2:23:04)
which is a sister wall,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:04 - 2:23:08)
where you're essentially building a wall in front of a wall.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:10 - 2:23:15)
In the section where it failed, you can see that there are tiebacks. Because of the failure,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:15 - 2:23:23)
it would require tiebacks. It would require tiebacks going into the Anthony's Pier 4 property.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:24 - 2:23:30)
At least this distance, he kind of put together a preliminary plan.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:30 - 2:23:33)
There would be more detail once a solution is chosen.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:36 - 2:23:43)
The sister wall will be designed with a curb just like the sea wall along the rest of King's Beach and it ties into that wall.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:45 - 2:23:48)
Construction of this is a completely different thing.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:48 - 2:23:51)
It's probably going to have to be cofferdammed.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:52 - 2:23:54)
It could take months

[Speaker 2] (2:23:54 - 2:23:54)
months.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:54 - 2:24:04)
and months to do. It's going to have to have scaffolding. It has to be dry in order to pour the footings and pour everything from the wall.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:07 - 2:24:16)
Typically this would be considered with a hard solution because it is a wall. Typically DEP

[Speaker 1] (2:24:17 - 2:24:21)
and COSA's own management are not a fan of this solution.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:22 - 2:24:26)
At the same time, I can never predict what they would choose.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:26 - 2:24:32)
We would like to proceed forward with the soft solution of the revetment. It's a softer solution,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:33 - 2:24:38)
it's more straightforward, it's easier to construct, you can do the work much quicker.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:39 - 2:24:42)
And it gets us exactly where we need to go. They both are structurally sound too.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:43 - 2:24:45)
Both of them are structurally sound. What?

[Speaker 3] (2:24:45 - 2:24:49)
So what yeah is there a big difference in cost? I mean

[Speaker 2] (2:24:49 - 2:24:49)
Uh.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:49 - 2:24:52)
it seems obvious why would you even consider the other one.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:52 - 2:24:56)
Because you have to give uh the state lots of solutions, and one of the solutions is do nothing also.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:57 - 2:25:08)
Right, right. If you if you I think at one time, the alternative analysis that the structural engineer put together I think was distributed to you. You may not I mean

[Speaker 2] (2:25:08 - 2:25:08)
Yeah, may not

[Speaker 1] (2:25:08 - 2:25:09)
but

[Speaker 2] (2:25:09 - 2:25:09)
may not

[Speaker 1] (2:25:09 - 2:25:09)
but the

[Speaker 2] (2:25:09 - 2:25:09)
remember that.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:09 - 2:25:11)
first option was d

[Speaker 1] (2:25:11 - 2:25:18)
do nothing and a lot of people react and they're like that that's not an option but there's a whole alternatives process that you have to go through in

[Speaker 2] (2:25:18 - 2:25:19)
They didn't give him a lot of field

[Speaker 1] (2:25:19 - 2:25:19)
order

[Speaker 2] (2:25:19 - 2:25:19)
orders.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:19 - 2:25:21)
to do the work and so

[Speaker 2] (2:25:21 - 2:25:21)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:25:21 - 2:25:28)
these are the things he said we could do this or we could we could do the wall

[Speaker 2] (2:25:29 - 2:25:29)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:29 - 2:25:30)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:25:30 - 2:25:37)
What is the lifespan of the sister wall versus the soft option?

[Speaker 2] (2:25:39 - 2:25:41)
can't answer that but they the engineers think

[Speaker 4] (2:25:41 - 2:25:41)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:25:41 - 2:25:41)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:25:41 - 2:25:43)
estimated lifespan, actually, obviously,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:43 - 2:25:44)
yeah they think that they think it's the same they're

[Speaker 4] (2:25:44 - 2:25:45)
they think it's the same.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:45 - 2:25:45)
close

[Speaker 4] (2:25:45 - 2:25:45)
So there's

[Speaker 2] (2:25:45 - 2:25:46)
enough no

[Speaker 4] (2:25:46 - 2:25:46)
no difference.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:46 - 2:25:48)
difference well

[Speaker 5] (2:25:48 - 2:25:50)
And in Anne Marty,

[Speaker 5] (2:25:51 - 2:25:55)
the temporary solution that's currently in place, what's the lifespan of that in

[Speaker 2] (2:25:55 - 2:25:58)
we think we've we check it i mean we just we just issued a report where

[Speaker 1] (2:25:58 - 2:26:00)
In April when we met,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:00 - 2:26:04)
yeah we know we said they should you guys report that it's it's holding up fine

[Speaker 1] (2:26:04 - 2:26:05)
Tony asked for a report,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:05 - 2:26:07)
so it was checked in the beginning of April.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:08 - 2:26:09)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:09 - 2:26:12)
And I think there were a couple of times where they might have gone out during hurricane season

[Speaker 2] (2:26:12 - 2:26:12)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:12 - 2:26:12)
before.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:12 - 2:26:13)
yeah, they've been out, they've been out

[Speaker 1] (2:26:13 - 2:26:13)
They

[Speaker 2] (2:26:13 - 2:26:14)
throughout

[Speaker 1] (2:26:14 - 2:26:14)
went

[Speaker 2] (2:26:14 - 2:26:14)
the out country.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:14 - 2:26:14)
and checked.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:14 - 2:26:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:15 - 2:26:17)
They didn't necessarily produce a report, but they went out and checked just

[Speaker 2] (2:26:17 - 2:26:17)
And you to have

[Speaker 1] (2:26:17 - 2:26:17)
make

[Speaker 2] (2:26:17 - 2:26:18)
a report

[Speaker 1] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:18 - 2:26:23)
somewhere in town saying that it's held up tremendously well and not had any failure or anything,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:23 - 2:26:24)
so it's done the job.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:24 - 2:26:30)
Right, but that's not saying how long it's that's not any way shape or form the permanent solution.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:30 - 2:26:30)
It

[Speaker 2] (2:26:30 - 2:26:30)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:30 - 2:26:30)
is no. not

[Speaker 2] (2:26:30 - 2:26:30)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:30 - 2:26:31)
a permanent

[Speaker 2] (2:26:31 - 2:26:31)
but the

[Speaker 1] (2:26:31 - 2:26:31)
solution.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:31 - 2:26:39)
permanent solution will be building off of what's there and then making that a lot more sturdy, but the building's having no problem at

[Speaker 3] (2:26:39 - 2:26:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:39 - 2:26:40)
all with what's there.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:40 - 2:26:41)
Looks like 21

[Speaker 4] (2:26:41 - 2:26:42)
Go ahead, Tony.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:42 - 2:26:49)
Yeah, I just want to, I think what's the ask, as Anne had said at the beginning,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:49 - 2:26:50)
is

[Speaker 6] (2:26:51 - 2:27:00)
for the select board to be aware that either solution will require activity on town-owned land.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:00 - 2:27:04)
I think the ultimate solution that's picked,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:04 - 2:27:07)
whether it's more rocks on the beach or a sister wall,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:07 - 2:27:09)
will depend on...

[Speaker 6] (2:27:09 - 2:27:23)
on the DEP really and you know a more technical view we have the Conservation Commission has in the wings ready to go a peer reviewer for whichever

[Speaker 6] (2:27:24 - 2:27:50)
solution they decide to go forward with we're not going to have them do both but so I think the question isn't so much which solution at this point this you know this select board doesn't have to pick that they just have to be aware and in some form LEC or mission on the bay would like to have some confirmation from the select board that

[Speaker 6] (2:27:50 - 2:27:53)
that yo okay we realize you're gonna be going on

[Speaker 2] (2:27:53 - 2:27:54)
Yes, so we

[Speaker 6] (2:27:54 - 2:27:55)
town

[Speaker 2] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55)
can move

[Speaker 6] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55)
property.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:55 - 2:27:56)
forward with the state.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:56 - 2:28:07)
We just need your blessings so we can go do that in good conscience and understand that we don't know where it's going to end up with them. We've had numerous conversations with the state and they don't show many cards when you're on the conference call with them.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:07 - 2:28:08)
How about like no cards?

[Speaker 2] (2:28:09 - 2:28:14)
So that's why there's all these different solutions floating around right now because we're not exactly sure where the wind's going to blow when we get there.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:15 - 2:28:15)
Got it.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:16 - 2:28:17)
Understood. I

[Speaker 6] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
just have

[Speaker 6] (2:28:17 - 2:28:20)
at some point will we be told what solution you're going with or what solution

[Speaker 1] (2:28:20 - 2:28:20)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:28:20 - 2:28:21)
is recommended?

[Speaker 4] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
they will be

[Speaker 1] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
I told. mean,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:21 - 2:28:23)
No, they'll tell us. They're going to be telling us.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:23 - 2:28:23)
They'll be telling,

[Speaker 6] (2:28:23 - 2:28:24)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:24 - 2:28:24)
they will

[Speaker 6] (2:28:24 - 2:28:25)
will somebody tell

[Speaker 4] (2:28:25 - 2:28:25)
be telling,

[Speaker 6] (2:28:25 - 2:28:25)
us?

[Speaker 4] (2:28:25 - 2:28:26)
Yes, they will be

[Speaker 2] (2:28:26 - 2:28:26)
you will

[Speaker 4] (2:28:26 - 2:28:26)
told

[Speaker 2] (2:28:26 - 2:28:26)
know,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:26 - 2:28:26)
the,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:26 - 2:28:26)
yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:27 - 2:28:32)
How much input do we have on what solution? well, they will have to come before the conservation commission.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:32 - 2:28:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
Yeah, once we

[Speaker 6] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
have it,

[Speaker 6] (2:28:33 - 2:28:34)
the Conservation

[Speaker 2] (2:28:34 - 2:28:34)
you can Commission make any

[Speaker 6] (2:28:34 - 2:28:35)
will say.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:35 - 2:28:35)
changes.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:35 - 2:28:38)
And the Conservation Commission has a peer reviewer ready.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:38 - 2:28:45)
The DEP, you know, will also be evaluating which option should be best used.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:46 - 2:28:49)
So that information will be out there and of course you could come to.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:55 - 2:29:06)
So I have a question. So the wall goes down and then you brought in a company to sure it up or yeah okay so and then do we have

[Speaker 2] (2:29:07 - 2:29:17)
We So what is the status as far as the town owned property? Is it secure? Is everything okay? Do we have our own engineers that say this is all

[Speaker 3] (2:29:18 - 2:29:30)
We did. We hired JZA, I believe. They came out in S-G excuse me, it looked at our wall. There is a report somewhere.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:30 - 2:29:31)
Okay, that's an engineering company?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:31 - 2:29:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:32 - 2:29:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:32 - 2:29:33)
that's G-N-H-J.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:33 - 2:29:36)
And they were confident our wall was in okay condition.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:36 - 2:29:40)
And you have the geoengineer's report as of last month too.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:40 - 2:29:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:41 - 2:29:44)
Yep, today they evaluate our wall, and evaluate the odds.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:44 - 2:29:45)
I don't remember the report.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:45 - 2:29:47)
Tony, I think we got it too, did we not?

[Speaker 1] (2:29:47 - 2:29:58)
Yes, you, you, um I wanted to make sure before you came before the select board that the temporary that's been there for a couple years now was still okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:29:59 - 2:30:01)
But it didn't evaluate our wall.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:01 - 2:30:03)
It just looked at their temporary structure.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:03 - 2:30:11)
They have not. So the firm that did these evaluations did not necessarily evaluate your wall.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:11 - 2:30:21)
They are designing both solutions so that it does not negatively impact your wall or doesn't cause scour and all these other coastal process issues.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:23 - 2:30:23)
Yeah, because

[Speaker 1] (2:30:23 - 2:30:23)
How

[Speaker 5] (2:30:23 - 2:30:23)
my

[Speaker 1] (2:30:23 - 2:30:23)
important.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:23 - 2:30:30)
question was going to be, with the, what did you call these lines that go across into our wall?

[Speaker 6] (2:30:30 - 2:30:32)
Oh, the tie back?

[Speaker 5] (2:30:32 - 2:30:35)
The tiebacks, yeah, with the tiebacks going into the Anthony's property,

[Speaker 5] (2:30:36 - 2:30:44)
how that could affect any shifting or the integrity of our wall.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:45 - 2:30:47)
Obviously, it's not a decision you all make, but...

[Speaker 5] (2:30:48 - 2:30:49)
Um, Tony,

[Speaker 5] (2:30:49 - 2:30:58)
I would assume that the DEP and other agencies would take that into consideration when making a suggestion that they're not going to just address something that would cause harm to the town.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:58 - 2:30:59)
in private.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:59 - 2:31:02)
I don't, as much as I appreciate the DEP,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:02 - 2:31:06)
I really don't want the DEP telling us that, you know, it's not going to cost,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:06 - 2:31:07)
I'd rather see somebody.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:08 - 2:31:10)
an engineer, our own engineers.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:10 - 2:31:11)
But there's a peer review.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:11 - 2:31:12)
We have a peer reviewer.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:12 - 2:31:12)
Have you heard

[Speaker 2] (2:31:12 - 2:31:12)
The peer

[Speaker 5] (2:31:12 - 2:31:13)
of peer review?

[Speaker 2] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
review.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:13 - 2:31:14)
All right. Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:14 - 2:31:15)
So they'll make a sig they'll make a

[Speaker 2] (2:31:15 - 2:31:15)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (2:31:15 - 2:31:15)
suggestion.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:15 - 2:31:16)
I'm good

[Speaker 1] (2:31:16 - 2:31:16)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:31:16 - 2:31:16)
with

[Speaker 1] (2:31:16 - 2:31:16)
mean

[Speaker 2] (2:31:16 - 2:31:16)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:16 - 2:31:17)
the peer reviewer, I'm my

[Speaker 2] (2:31:17 - 2:31:18)
good with that.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:18 - 2:31:23)
interest is to just to make sure whatever they come up with is sound.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:24 - 2:31:26)
That's that's what's important.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:26 - 2:31:36)
So when when Marty says DEP is going to decide it is not just kind of we don't just kind of be like okay you decide we

[Speaker 6] (2:31:37 - 2:31:41)
We are going to advocate for the revetment solution.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:41 - 2:31:43)
Based on my experience,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:43 - 2:31:45)
that would be their preference anyway,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:45 - 2:31:52)
and we will be presenting a whole host of reasons why one is better than the other.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:52 - 2:32:04)
And there's a lot of construction reasons why the revetment is much straightforward and better. So while they could say to us, we like this one better or we'll only permit that one.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:07 - 2:32:09)
I don't want to be overly confident,

[Speaker 6] (2:32:09 - 2:32:12)
but we are going to advocate for the revetments.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:13 - 2:32:15)
And you

[Speaker 6] (2:32:16 - 2:32:20)
own Anthony's Pier 4.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:21 - 2:32:23)
department does not.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:23 - 2:32:25)
So technically,

[Speaker 6] (2:32:25 - 2:32:30)
I don't think the department could force you to say yes to allow that option.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:32 - 2:32:39)
So it's not it's not like we get to come in or the department gets to come in and force something on the town as a solution.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:40 - 2:32:46)
This is part of the reason why I wanted to come and tell you because I would be mortified if we started filing permits and you did not know what

[Speaker 4] (2:32:46 - 2:32:47)
What's going on, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:47 - 2:32:48)
was going on.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:48 - 2:32:53)
Right. But to say to say the same sorry, Doug, uh if the

[Speaker 5] (2:32:56 - 2:32:59)
The bureaucratic machine decided that that was the best option,

[Speaker 5] (2:32:59 - 2:33:03)
and then our peer review showed that there would be no detriment to that option,

[Speaker 5] (2:33:03 - 2:33:07)
then that may be the option that would have to go forward,

[Speaker 5] (2:33:07 - 2:33:14)
and we don't necessarily have the muscle to take on multiple federal state agencies.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:15 - 2:33:15)
As

[Speaker 4] (2:33:15 - 2:33:15)
Not

[Speaker 5] (2:33:15 - 2:33:15)
much

[Speaker 4] (2:33:15 - 2:33:16)
sure

[Speaker 5] (2:33:16 - 2:33:16)
as we

[Speaker 4] (2:33:16 - 2:33:16)
we have can be.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:16 - 2:33:17)
Tony, we, I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:17 - 2:33:19)
I'm so I I'm

[Speaker 4] (2:33:19 - 2:33:20)
I know, I know you are.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:20 - 2:33:21)
stronger than I

[Speaker 5] (2:33:21 - 2:33:22)
God, would you were going to say.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:22 - 2:33:23)
She's a mighty.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:23 - 2:33:28)
The other thing of interest that you might mention is the walkway.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:28 - 2:33:29)
We're getting to that.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:29 - 2:33:29)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:29 - 2:33:31)
I wanted to, we kind of were going in this other direction.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:31 - 2:33:31)
yeah, okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:31 - 2:33:31)
I won't go

[Speaker 1] (2:33:31 - 2:33:32)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
for it.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:32 - 2:33:33)
It's on the slides.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:33 - 2:33:33)
So...

[Speaker 3] (2:33:34 - 2:33:38)
you're not really asking us to decide anything tonight,

[Speaker 5] (2:33:38 - 2:33:38)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:38 - 2:33:41)
right? You're just this is a heads up and and

[Speaker 5] (2:33:41 - 2:33:41)
Other?

[Speaker 3] (2:33:41 - 2:33:55)
and there's gonna be work done maybe from the Anthony's Pier four side, maybe from the town side, from the beach side, and any of these there's gonna be kind of that that's gonna need to happen and you're gonna need our permission to do

[Speaker 4] (2:33:55 - 2:33:55)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:33:55 - 2:33:55)
that.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:55 - 2:34:01)
this is really just to get you guys up to speed of where we are and the process that's going on and then then we then we

[Speaker 4] (2:34:01 - 2:34:05)
And then we can move forward with filing all the permits and really get into the process.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:05 - 2:34:16)
And is there any other dramatically different impact downtown property or anything in either of these solutions than, you know, the tiebacks?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:17 - 2:34:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:17 - 2:34:19)
So the next slide.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:19 - 2:34:22)
This is a positive dramatic impact.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:22 - 2:34:24)
Keep going until you get to the brown,

[Speaker 6] (2:34:24 - 2:34:24)
the boardwalk.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:24 - 2:34:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:25 - 2:34:26)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:34:28 - 2:34:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:29 - 2:34:34)
So DEP waterways requires when you have something like this restaurant,

[Speaker 6] (2:34:35 - 2:34:40)
they require public access between the restaurant and the shoreline.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:40 - 2:34:43)
Now, as we all know, the restaurant is like 30,

[Speaker 6] (2:34:44 - 2:34:46)
40 feet above the shoreline.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:46 - 2:34:48)
It's like 24, something like that, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:50 - 2:34:54)
But the department said public access is a requirement. And I said.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:55 - 2:35:01)
How about public access that looks like walking along the ground? That did not play well.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:01 - 2:35:09)
So we will be constructing a boardwalk similar to this in front of the restaurant that will connect to the brick patio.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:10 - 2:35:14)
It does connect up and interface with the restaurant building.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:14 - 2:35:17)
This will be 100% public.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:18 - 2:35:23)
People could go into the restaurant if the town gave him whatever liquor license or whatever.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:23 - 2:35:23)
People

[Speaker 4] (2:35:23 - 2:35:24)
Yeah, there's

[Speaker 6] (2:35:24 - 2:35:26)
could go in while they're waiting and bring a drink out there,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:26 - 2:35:31)
but it's totally public access along the shoreline.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:32 - 2:35:35)
The next, if you could switch to the next one, it'll show how it's elevated.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:35 - 2:35:37)
In fact, this was a shock to us when we got that. Oh,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:37 - 2:35:37)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:35:37 - 2:35:37)
I got a

[Speaker 3] (2:35:37 - 2:35:37)
the harbour

[Speaker 4] (2:35:37 - 2:35:38)
plan.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38)
walk in that

[Speaker 4] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38)
No,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38)
in

[Speaker 4] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38)
what?

[Speaker 6] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38)
It's

[Speaker 3] (2:35:38 - 2:35:39)
the in

[Speaker 6] (2:35:39 - 2:35:39)
a harbor walk.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:39 - 2:35:42)
the harbour waterfront uh advisory committee plan. This is the harbour

[Speaker 5] (2:35:42 - 2:35:43)
There is a

[Speaker 3] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
walk

[Speaker 5] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
harbour

[Speaker 3] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
coming

[Speaker 5] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
walk

[Speaker 3] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
to

[Speaker 5] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
there.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:43 - 2:35:44)
coming

[Speaker 4] (2:35:44 - 2:35:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:44 - 2:35:44)
to fruition.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:44 - 2:35:46)
It's only a hundred feet, though. It's not like, you know, it's not like,

[Speaker 4] (2:35:46 - 2:35:47)
not a

[Speaker 5] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
A

[Speaker 4] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
thousand.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:47 - 2:35:48)
hundred more feet than we have today.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:48 - 2:35:49)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:49 - 2:35:49)
Exactly.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:49 - 2:35:49)
and you're paying for it.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:49 - 2:35:50)
So,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:50 - 2:35:50)
You should just.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:50 - 2:35:50)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:50 - 2:35:51)
that kind of shows

[Speaker 4] (2:35:51 - 2:35:51)
I, I,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:51 - 2:35:51)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:35:51 - 2:35:51)
I can, I

[Speaker 6] (2:35:51 - 2:35:52)
uniqueness

[Speaker 4] (2:35:52 - 2:35:52)
can do

[Speaker 6] (2:35:52 - 2:35:52)
of that

[Speaker 4] (2:35:52 - 2:35:53)
you a favour. When you start working on Pier 4,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:53 - 2:35:54)
and one picture.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:54 - 2:35:55)
you're gonna you're the same thing's coming to you.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:55 - 2:35:57)
Right. That then We're gonna talk about that.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:57 - 2:35:58)
then just

[Speaker 3] (2:35:58 - 2:35:58)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:58 - 2:35:58)
You get ready.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:58 - 2:36:01)
You're going to be connected to my boardwalk.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
Sweet.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:01 - 2:36:02)
Town's boardwalk.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:02 - 2:36:03)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:03 - 2:36:03)
Just

[Speaker 4] (2:36:03 - 2:36:06)
town's boardwalk. But our boardwalks are going to be wrapping all the way around the front there.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:07 - 2:36:24)
just to note this ties in very well with the Hawthorne property because there is a requirement to have public access along the coastal area. So it would intend be one big boardwalk that would continue. So that's

[Speaker 6] (2:36:24 - 2:36:25)
So we're giving you a jump start.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:26 - 2:36:26)
I should.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:26 - 2:36:26)
Atta boy.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:26 - 2:36:33)
Yeah, we're we're we're the pioneers for this field. We're we're we're gonna figure it out Then you guys can just jump on our coattails once that's moving along

[Speaker 6] (2:36:34 - 2:36:49)
So the last slide just kind of gives a timeline that my wish timeline that Tony knows keeps bumping is the first thing that I will need to do is we have to go through this MEPA process.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:50 - 2:36:54)
There is an environmental justice community within a mile of this.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:54 - 2:37:10)
So we will have, I need to have a certain number of public meetings, public hearings for input before I start the NEPA process. So this is kind of the first thing, hence I didn't want to have a public meeting and have you not know.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:10 - 2:37:11)
And I'm assuming,

[Speaker 6] (2:37:11 - 2:37:12)
like think,

[Speaker 6] (2:37:13 - 2:37:19)
we can go through Gino for knowing when we would need to come back to you or for like.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:20 - 2:37:20)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:20 - 2:37:22)
If anything needs to be signed,

[Speaker 6] (2:37:22 - 2:37:24)
is that correct?

[Speaker 3] (2:37:24 - 2:37:24)
Hmm, so.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:24 - 2:37:27)
Yeah, I mean we could um,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:28 - 2:37:29)
just trying to language on here.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:31 - 2:37:42)
Um yes, to enter property you can be the conduit for us to detail that information, and you can also grant them access as

[Speaker 5] (2:37:43 - 2:37:45)
as Interim Water Administrator.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:45 - 2:37:45)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:37:45 - 2:37:45)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:37:45 - 2:37:45)
then

[Speaker 5] (2:37:45 - 2:37:45)
long

[Speaker 3] (2:37:45 - 2:37:48)
I would say it would segue your O over EMT and DPW director,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:48 - 2:37:49)
Yep, that's right.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:49 - 2:37:50)
if somebody else still

[Speaker 5] (2:37:50 - 2:37:50)
Both hats.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:50 - 2:37:52)
be the conduit, right?

[Speaker 6] (2:37:53 - 2:37:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:53 - 2:37:55)
I have a question on the repair.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:55 - 2:37:57)
On the repair that you did, my understanding,

[Speaker 2] (2:37:58 - 2:37:59)
do we, are we all,

[Speaker 2] (2:37:59 - 2:38:02)
are we all even up on the finances on that repair?

[Speaker 3] (2:38:05 - 2:38:06)
I think

[Speaker 2] (2:38:06 - 2:38:07)
Is that something you need to look into?

[Speaker 3] (2:38:07 - 2:38:10)
we could look into that. It's, right.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:11 - 2:38:15)
Yeah, there's a lot of things that are going back and forth with the former town manager on this because

[Speaker 3] (2:38:15 - 2:38:16)
It was a

[Speaker 4] (2:38:16 - 2:38:26)
you guys stepped in at a point it was kind of like half authorized there's a lot of pushback on and I also agree to that time not to file for an abatement there's a lot of little things were said along the way here.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:26 - 2:38:31)
This could make this much more complicated than you you guys here, but it's, you know, at some point we will get to straight that one here.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:31 - 2:38:34)
I think I think that's some points gotta happen pretty quickly.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:34 - 2:38:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:35 - 2:38:38)
Well, there's there's a lot of things were said also from our standpoint

[Speaker 2] (2:38:38 - 2:38:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:38 - 2:38:40)
that it's not completely as

[Speaker 2] (2:38:40 - 2:38:42)
Either way, if we can just get everything resolved,

[Speaker 7] (2:38:42 - 2:38:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:42 - 2:38:43)
that'll be that'll be great

[Speaker 7] (2:38:43 - 2:38:44)
Yeah, I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:43 - 2:38:44)
Yeah, I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:46 - 2:38:46)
Yes, they

[Speaker 1] (2:38:46 - 2:38:49)
I have a question about the boardwalk. Who maintains it?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:50 - 2:38:50)
You guys?

[Speaker 2] (2:38:50 - 2:38:51)
Their property.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:51 - 2:38:55)
Yes. Well, it's not it it is it's a requirement

[Speaker 4] (2:38:55 - 2:38:56)
It's their property,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:56 - 2:38:57)
of the waterway but permit

[Speaker 4] (2:38:57 - 2:38:57)
it's public access,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:57 - 2:38:58)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:38:58 - 2:38:59)
so I just wondered if.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:59 - 2:39:07)
a the waterway's permit will it's a requirement to construct it when you construct it constructs it I will have to write a waterways management plan.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:09 - 2:39:15)
For how it's managed that is approved by DEP waterways he will have to maintain it,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:16 - 2:39:16)
Fantastic.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:16 - 2:39:19)
take care of it. You will not be required to

[Speaker 6] (2:39:19 - 2:39:28)
Yeah, there's nothing on you I mean we have the same thing up in Beverly the restaurant fair We just we've been to this process before this is not my first rodeo I didn't think I was gonna be going through it again this quickly

[Speaker 6] (2:39:29 - 2:39:30)
I have to do in that one,

[Speaker 6] (2:39:30 - 2:39:36)
but we've been for the same thing with the management plan So we're pretty pretty well honed on going through this at this point.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:36 - 2:39:37)
I think they all know it's pretty well

[Speaker 1] (2:39:38 - 2:39:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:38 - 2:39:40)
I guess that I didn't think it should be this quick.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:41 - 2:39:53)
Then we will see you the next appropriate time. Do you need to present to us, but any access you need can go through Gino and Tony will keep us abreast of all matters, I'm sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:54 - 2:39:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:55 - 2:39:56)
Any everybody's good?

[Speaker 2] (2:39:56 - 2:39:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:57 - 2:39:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:57 - 2:39:57)
Good.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:57 - 2:39:58)
Appreciate your time. Thank you for coming

[Speaker 6] (2:39:58 - 2:39:58)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (2:39:58 - 2:39:58)
in.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:58 - 2:39:58)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (2:39:58 - 2:39:59)
you for you. your very time,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:59 - 2:39:59)
much.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:59 - 2:39:59)
Nathaniel.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:00 - 2:40:01)
They're good enough.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:02 - 2:40:03)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:03 - 2:40:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:06 - 2:40:27)
Um next on our agenda is um discussion and possible vote on the Swampscott Police Department's recommended changes, but um if the board allows I would like to move six up because we do have a representative from um terpene journey here, and so that he doesn't have to necessarily sit through Officer Roane's presentation, if that's okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:40:27 - 2:40:28)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:28 - 2:40:29)
um I'd like to move that up.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:29 - 2:40:31)
I'll certainly get a gun.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:31 - 2:40:32)
I don't think

[Speaker 2] (2:40:32 - 2:40:32)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (2:40:32 - 2:40:36)
I don't think he'll have a problem. He's very patient.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:36 - 2:40:37)
Just been talking about me. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:38 - 2:40:39)
Come on.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:39 - 2:40:45)
And he may actually uh be able to answer some questions if it comes up long, so he might be a necessary part in this process.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:48 - 2:40:52)
Okay. Marzy, is there a presentation or just discussion?

[Speaker 2] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
No, just a

[Speaker 10] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:40:52 - 2:40:53)
a discussion.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:53 - 2:40:54)
Oh, good.

[Speaker 10] (2:40:54 - 2:41:13)
This however else you wanted to to take the topic I get the first reading or just an opportunity to hear from from Justin and right now um I did share with with you both of the host community agreements um so then you will see it and we're happy to go through um some of the changes oh I should say um

[Speaker 10] (2:41:13 - 2:41:20)
All of the changes would bring the town in compliance with the new Cannabis Control Commission requirements.

[Speaker 10] (2:41:20 - 2:41:31)
One thing that Justin did request is that because Trippi Journey is a social equity partner or social equity company,

[Speaker 10] (2:41:32 - 2:41:38)
he did request that we create a revenue revenue.

[Speaker 10] (2:41:38 - 2:41:49)
item within a budget because as you know right now the town is collecting three percent of their revenues as a host community payment that we receive directly from D.O.R.

[Speaker 10] (2:41:49 - 2:41:57)
Being a social equity company the town also receives additional one percent of revenue so total of four percent.

[Speaker 10] (2:41:57 - 2:42:00)
Unfortunately we're still struggling with D.O.R.

[Speaker 10] (2:42:00 - 2:42:05)
trying to figure out how you distinguish both of the companies how do we figure out

[Speaker 10] (2:42:05 - 2:42:20)
road how much funding came in from one to the other we were told that it's a proprietary information some of the tax information that they're not willing to share with us so I'm working with Patrick so we can figure it out a better process or a better way to to account for those funds

[Speaker 11] (2:42:20 - 2:42:22)
So how do we know we're being paid the

[Speaker 2] (2:42:22 - 2:42:22)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (2:42:22 - 2:42:24)
correct amount?

[Speaker 11] (2:42:24 - 2:42:25)
We just have in D.O.R. we trust.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:26 - 2:42:26)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:42:26 - 2:42:34)
Yes, because we don't we don't unfortunately we don't get a um like a uh an overall statement in terms of the proceeds that come in

[Speaker 2] (2:42:34 - 2:42:35)
It's just proprietary information.

[Speaker 10] (2:42:35 - 2:42:35)
from taxes.

[Speaker 11] (2:42:35 - 2:42:52)
But even but even so at the at at the state level on the CCC website isn't there a I mean they have all kinds of sales information and there's there's there's nothing there's nothing that goes business by business or it's just it's just aggregated by the town.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:52 - 2:42:53)
town for the municipality.

[Speaker 10] (2:42:53 - 2:42:57)
That's that's how I that's how it's it's it's that's what it was conveyed to me.

[Speaker 10] (2:42:57 - 2:43:06)
I mean I'm not sure I I know obviously you have to report your your actual incomes but then it's proprietary information I'm not sure if that's something else that that you really share as a business.

[Speaker 11] (2:43:06 - 2:43:13)
Yeah, I don't have I can't say I know exactly how it works with DOR, but my understanding was

[Speaker 11] (2:43:15 - 2:43:20)
I think it does come over kind of an aggregate like our the tax revenue from us and the other company in town,

[Speaker 11] (2:43:20 - 2:43:31)
but I think I was under the understanding that there is a way to kind of break it out, but having never, I've never done anything with DLR,

[Speaker 11] (2:43:31 - 2:43:33)
so like me saying that doesn't really carry a lot of weight,

[Speaker 11] (2:43:33 - 2:43:39)
but I had reached out to them just to try to understand and they had given me some directions of kind of how to.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:40 - 2:44:00)
break it apart, but I obviously don't have that data. So it's kind of hard to tell. Um but the request that we were asking for was that we break it out as granularly as possible so that everyone understands what's coming from the tax revenue and what's coming from um kind of that additional one percent for us being the social equity company.

[Speaker 10] (2:44:04 - 2:44:24)
And then other than that, all the other um standard edits are in here. Uh we're still waiting for final review for K_P_ law because they did an initial review. Uh we shared some of the comments with um with with Justin, so we're just waiting to reconcile some of them. But that was probably the only thing that um you know that I could say that that was questionable and um

[Speaker 13] (2:44:24 - 2:44:32)
Marcy I asked you so it was it just compliance the changes and then in terms of our total revenue the impact for the town

[Speaker 13] (2:44:33 - 2:44:36)
These changes, we don't think there will be any impact,

[Speaker 10] (2:44:36 - 2:44:36)
Nope,

[Speaker 13] (2:44:36 - 2:44:37)
or?

[Speaker 10] (2:44:37 - 2:44:37)
there there

[Speaker 2] (2:44:37 - 2:44:37)
Increase.

[Speaker 10] (2:44:37 - 2:44:59)
will not be any because as you know the town of Swampscott voted to sort of like through the host community agreement we agree we had an agreement in principle to collect additional three percent on top of the the three percent that the town receives from from DOR we were supposed to have been receiving additional three percent we have now been collecting

[Speaker 10] (2:44:59 - 2:45:25)
collecting those funds because there was pending litigation so we were just waiting to see what happens. Right now a lot of the communities who have collected the funding they end up giving the funds back. So therefore there's still sort of like some pending litigation but you know right now the new regulations are that you're not allowed to charge the retailers additional you know punitive or additional three percent for as part of their revenues.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:27 - 2:45:39)
But so what that is, is there are communities that did charge the 3%, they did receive the 3%, and now there's litigation from some marijuana stores trying to fight that out.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:39 - 2:45:40)
And when,

[Speaker 2] (2:45:40 - 2:45:43)
do we have any idea when that litigation is going

[Speaker 5] (2:45:43 - 2:45:43)
Part

[Speaker 2] (2:45:43 - 2:45:43)
to be,

[Speaker 5] (2:45:43 - 2:45:49)
of it there was there was some the Haverhill case was just recently resolved but it's still really questionable

[Speaker 2] (2:45:49 - 2:45:50)
they settled out of court?

[Speaker 10] (2:45:51 - 2:45:54)
No, I think it was judgment, but it's really questionable in terms of

[Speaker 2] (2:45:54 - 2:45:54)
Oh,

[Speaker 10] (2:45:54 - 2:45:56)
like how it's it's applicable um

[Speaker 1] (2:45:56 - 2:45:56)
I'm

[Speaker 10] (2:45:56 - 2:45:56)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:45:56 - 2:45:57)
sure it

[Speaker 10] (2:45:57 - 2:45:57)
it's

[Speaker 1] (2:45:57 - 2:45:57)
will be

[Speaker 10] (2:45:57 - 2:45:57)
it's

[Speaker 1] (2:45:57 - 2:45:57)
appealed.

[Speaker 10] (2:45:57 - 2:45:58)
going to be further adjudicated

[Speaker 2] (2:45:58 - 2:45:59)
That was in

[Speaker 10] (2:45:59 - 2:45:59)
the police.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:59 - 2:46:00)
last month that was

[Speaker 10] (2:46:00 - 2:46:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:00 - 2:46:07)
And then so so one thing I just wanted to clarify that we have been receiving the three percent, right, all along, as soon as uh the

[Speaker 2] (2:46:07 - 2:46:07)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:07 - 2:46:18)
company open up uh the the tax that has been been coming and we have not had any issues. Um you know chirping journey has been a wonderful uh business partner, community partner. They have

[Speaker 10] (2:46:18 - 2:46:33)
you know, apply uh contributed to through the charitable donations. They have made their charitable donations. That was something else that's being taken out because that's something that is not allowed under the new regulation so you would have seen uh that that that's been stricken out of the the the new new s new advantage.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:34 - 2:46:38)
So that means we can't require it, but they could

[Speaker 2] (2:46:38 - 2:46:38)
But still they could choose still volunteer

[Speaker 13] (2:46:38 - 2:46:39)
to do it.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:39 - 2:46:39)
do it.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:39 - 2:46:42)
On a voluntary basis, outside of the

[Speaker 2] (2:46:42 - 2:46:42)
But the agreement.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:42 - 2:46:44)
the uh outside of the agreement.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:44 - 2:46:45)
And in addition,

[Speaker 10] (2:46:45 - 2:46:55)
I know that, you know, you've been a great neighbour to um making donations to the garden walk, and that was something that was not part of part of the agreement um that was even listed in here.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:55 - 2:46:57)
There are five organisations I think, right,

[Speaker 10] (2:46:57 - 2:46:57)
That's correct,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:57 - 2:46:57)
that donated

[Speaker 10] (2:46:57 - 2:46:57)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:57 - 2:46:58)
to it.

[Speaker 11] (2:46:59 - 2:46:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:59 - 2:47:08)
Um so I th I know you said K_P_ law didn't give um comments back to this yet, but I would like to understand from K_P_ law if there is

[Speaker 1] (2:47:08 - 2:47:11)
If it's in our best interest to keep that 3% in the agreement,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:11 - 2:47:14)
even though the litigation hasn't been settled,

[Speaker 2] (2:47:14 - 2:47:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:14 - 2:47:18)
because if the litigation were to be settled in favour of the host communities,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:19 - 2:47:24)
then we would receive it retroactively for all of the agreements that we have it in.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:24 - 2:47:29)
And if we do not keep it in because we think the litigation is not going to be in our favour,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:29 - 2:47:30)
then

[Speaker 2] (2:47:30 - 2:47:31)
How do we revisit?

[Speaker 1] (2:47:31 - 2:47:34)
we would lose out potentially on a favourable judgement.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:35 - 2:47:42)
And also if it's proven that it is not legal, then there's a provision in here, I'm sure, that says any provision that's not legal just

[Speaker 6] (2:47:42 - 2:47:42)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:42 - 2:47:48)
fades away and the rest of it is still valid. And um so uh just curious to hear their stance on that.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:48 - 2:47:57)
I could definitely check on it, but there is a um a a like a model host community agreement that was shared uh through the Cannabis Control Commission,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:57 - 2:47:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:57 - 2:48:01)
and that excluded any reference to any additional payments.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:01 - 2:48:03)
Yeah, I'm I'm sure it did because

[Speaker 2] (2:48:04 - 2:48:05)
But we want it back.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:05 - 2:48:12)
The litigation because of the litigation and so that makes sense that it would just I just wonder KP laws if they think it's

[Speaker 1] (2:48:14 - 2:48:18)
fully litigated and they don't feel like there's going to be any merit in doing that, then there's no sense in doing it. But

[Speaker 2] (2:48:18 - 2:48:20)
There's no loss to us to keep it in there.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:20 - 2:48:21)
No, I don't see any,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:21 - 2:48:21)
Keep sure. it in.

[Speaker 13] (2:48:21 - 2:48:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:48:21 - 2:48:31)
And and then we're Marzy, we're also talking about that the additional three percent is defined as the community impact fee. Is that is that accurate? I mean I'm I'm just kind of reading through.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:31 - 2:48:39)
So that's that's removed. The additional three percent has been removed from the from the host community agreement and that's something that was removed

[Speaker 2] (2:48:39 - 2:48:39)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:42 - 2:48:42)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:43 - 2:48:45)
Oh, see it's still in there.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:45 - 2:48:46)
No, it's

[Speaker 5] (2:48:46 - 2:48:46)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:48:46 - 2:48:46)
right there.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:46 - 2:48:53)
will say one thing that would be helpful for us is I can understand the sort of desire to sort of wait and see.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:54 - 2:49:09)
There's a certain point for us where it becomes challenging to operate a business and to not know if the town's coming for, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars like it's truly, you know, it's truly is hard to operate a business and so we're kind of to the point where we would like to.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:11 - 2:49:23)
Shake hands and figure out what the best way forward is, because for us it's more the the unknown is, you know, it's it's it's challenging. Um and it's not just challenging to run a business, it's challenging to have a relationship, you know,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:23 - 2:49:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:23 - 2:49:36)
because when you have two hundred thou you know, a huge payment potentially hanging over your head um and I think the state's been literally the name of the law that they uh produced is called uh an act relative to equity in the cannabis industry.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:37 - 2:49:39)
And um the CCC has posted guidance.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:40 - 2:49:56)
Um the uh it like the reason why the town is getting an extra percent for us being in town is because we're a social equity company and the CCC has been clear that uh if the town's getting that money there shouldn't be a need to get an additional uh percentage from

[Speaker 6] (2:49:56 - 2:49:56)
You

[Speaker 5] (2:49:56 - 2:49:56)
us.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:56 - 2:49:57)
have more money?

[Speaker 5] (2:49:57 - 2:49:57)
Mm Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:57 - 2:49:57)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:57 - 2:49:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:58 - 2:50:07)
Um because really the it it's always been written into the law this way that that three percent is for any impacts that our company is having on the town and

[Speaker 5] (2:50:08 - 2:50:22)
Uh you know I if there are impacts that we're having I'd love to know what they are um and and according to to the law and this this has always been the case um any costs that the town wants to assess on a retailer um there need to be um documentation for

[Speaker 3] (2:50:22 - 2:50:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:23 - 2:50:30)
it you know it can't just kind of be imagined out of thin air it has there has to be sort of a receipt for it um and so like

[Speaker 5] (2:50:31 - 2:50:55)
You know, I I'm not aware of many municipalities who've been able to produce the actual receipts and I think that's why, you know, there might be some litigation that's still ongoing, but that's why um the city of, you know, Cambridge gave the money back to retailers. Like they actually had paid it and then they gave it back. Same thing with the the town of Bos you know, city of Boston, it's like they gave all the money back to the companies because they got to a point where there wasn't solid legal footing and um

[Speaker 5] (2:50:56 - 2:51:02)
You know, i i in a certain point it's hard to have people operating a business when um you know you just don't know what the liability is hanging over your head.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:02 - 2:51:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:03 - 2:51:03)
Alright,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:03 - 2:51:09)
And I both of the businesses offer full-time employment. You have full and part-time staff. Can you maybe talk about

[Speaker 5] (2:51:09 - 2:51:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:09 - 2:51:09)
that a little?

[Speaker 5] (2:51:09 - 2:51:14)
we have I mean we have about um I think we're almost nineteen or twenty you know f full-time employees.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:14 - 2:51:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:15 - 2:51:16)
Um and uh

[Speaker 5] (2:51:17 - 2:51:18)
it's uh

[Speaker 5] (2:51:20 - 2:51:26)
Uh you know and I think in terms of like growing the business we're trying to to add delivery and like we kind of view that as, you know,

[Speaker 5] (2:51:26 - 2:51:33)
it's gonna grow our business, but the nice thing about it is the town of Swampscott gets to grow with us, and you know, um it's uh

[Speaker 5] (2:51:37 - 2:51:57)
I don't know, I I personally like the the thought of we're kind of in this together and we we grow together. Um and if you know there are impacts that we've had that you feel like we owe a couple hundred thousand dollars, like we're we're ready to have the conversation. But um it seems unfair to us that to try to have that conversation in two years when all of a sudden it feels like the legal footing has changed.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:57 - 2:52:02)
Um and quite frankly my opinion is that K.P. law um intentionally takes

[Speaker 5] (2:52:03 - 2:52:18)
Physicians on these issues um that allows them to generate more billable hours and um you know if you run a law firm it gener generates a lot of revenue for you but if you're a small operator it's kind of sucks um

[Speaker 7] (2:52:18 - 2:52:21)
Um, so would it be oh, I'm sorry, I was gonna say would it be fair to say if you

[Speaker 7] (2:52:22 - 2:52:38)
If this is removed and there's more certainty in your business model that you would maybe be able to make more realistic donations annually because you understand that the impact that impact is not on the table anymore and you're not sort of it's not looming

[Speaker 5] (2:52:38 - 2:52:39)
Totally.

[Speaker 7] (2:52:39 - 2:52:42)
and you can factor in certain other contributions to the town

[Speaker 5] (2:52:42 - 2:52:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:52:42 - 2:52:42)
if you

[Speaker 5] (2:52:42 - 2:52:43)
totally.

[Speaker 7] (2:52:43 - 2:52:43)
wanted to.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:43 - 2:52:45)
Well, when you made your business model

[Speaker 9] (2:52:46 - 2:52:58)
You knew that there is b you knew that there was three percent in addition on the other three percent, so you already knew that, so you baked it into your business model. We didn't collect the money um so I guess

[Speaker 9] (2:53:00 - 2:53:15)
part of me thinks it's already in your it's already in your model, you know what it's there, you could escrow escrow it. If there's any chance that the state is gonna turn around and and leave that in there, and then we leave ourselves vulnerable.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:15 - 2:53:17)
Of not being able to collect it,

[Speaker 9] (2:53:18 - 2:53:19)
that would be the issue that I would have.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:20 - 2:53:22)
But it's yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:23 - 2:53:29)
we can get guidance from KP Law on it. Because I would also like to understand the definition of community impact and how we have to prove

[Speaker 9] (2:53:29 - 2:53:30)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:30 - 2:53:31)
that and facilitate that.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:31 - 2:53:37)
If it's not even something that we have in the community, then it makes sense to remove it.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:37 - 2:53:40)
So I would like to just understand some definitions

[Speaker 9] (2:53:40 - 2:53:41)
I would agree.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:41 - 2:53:41)
in

[Speaker 5] (2:53:41 - 2:53:42)
And

[Speaker 7] (2:53:42 - 2:53:42)
both.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:42 - 2:53:42)
again,

[Speaker 5] (2:53:42 - 2:53:48)
I would add to that, you know, the point of this process is to be a negotiation and, you know.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:49 - 2:54:03)
I think something we're bringing to the table is that there's four hundred and I think twenty five retailers across the state. There's only twenty of us who can bring you that additional percent. And that's not for the the H_C_A_ fees are limited for eight years and then they're over.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:04 - 2:54:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:04 - 2:54:05)
This is forever.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:05 - 2:54:08)
Um you know I I would argue somebody

[Speaker 5] (2:54:09 - 2:54:20)
you know, bringing you an offer to the table I'd take the percent forever rather than kind of trying to, I don't know, nickel and diming the past. Um is k it my personal belief.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:21 - 2:54:21)
Not

[Speaker 9] (2:54:21 - 2:54:21)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:54:21 - 2:54:21)
Pete

[Speaker 9] (2:54:21 - 2:54:21)
have a

[Speaker 1] (2:54:21 - 2:54:32)
lot D'Agostino, he's representing um uh uh Calix Peak or uh community cannabis. He's actually online, I'm not sure if he it is hand raised, so I don't know if he wanted to add anything to to the discussion.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:35 - 2:54:35)
Oh.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:35 - 2:54:35)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (2:54:36 - 2:54:37)
Yeah, you can go on. I'm just speaking.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:38 - 2:54:39)
Who's he with?

[Speaker 7] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
He's

[Speaker 9] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
with

[Speaker 9] (2:54:39 - 2:54:40)
where's

[Speaker 7] (2:54:40 - 2:54:40)
the

[Speaker 9] (2:54:40 - 2:54:40)
Representative

[Speaker 7] (2:54:40 - 2:54:40)
other K.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:40 - 2:54:40)
Miller?

[Speaker 7] (2:54:40 - 2:54:41)
He likes

[Speaker 1] (2:54:41 - 2:54:41)
He's Agostino.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:45 - 2:54:48)
Good evening, Madam Chair. This is working. You hear me okay?

[Speaker 7] (2:54:48 - 2:54:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:49 - 2:54:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:50 - 2:54:58)
Thank you so much for the time. I heard the board's discussion, and I hope maybe I can provide some light. I think just for the record, my name is Peter D'Agostino.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:59 - 2:55:00)
Uh and

[Speaker 9] (2:55:00 - 2:55:00)
for So,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:00 - 2:55:13)
protecting strategies we represent local cannabis. We've been working with the county's board for us since the beginning um of their time here as you know um being a tenant of the town uh we've had quite a bit of engagement.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:13 - 2:55:25)
Um just to the host community agreement uh the community impact piece specifically, I I do think these that I encourage you to see council certainly but just just so the board can hear some understanding.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:26 - 2:55:37)
These are two separate conversations. So one is relative to the previous community impact fees and whether or not the town at some point could potentially collect those.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:37 - 2:55:48)
There's been a couple of out of, or several different towns in which they've returned the money and then there's been a couple of voluntary returns of the money in the cases the Torpedo Journey just offered.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:49 - 2:55:52)
So that matter is still open for discussion.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:53 - 2:56:02)
of the town. I think what was before the board tonight is the new host community agreement that would comply with the changes that were enacted under Chapter 180.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:03 - 2:56:05)
And just so the board is aware,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:05 - 2:56:14)
under Chapter 180 the town is by law expressly prohibited from collecting a set three percent fee. However,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:14 - 2:56:19)
what is in this agreement still is that there are impacts to the town.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:19 - 2:56:24)
You can provide documentation of those impacts and recover that money,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:24 - 2:56:27)
up to three percent of the gross sales,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:27 - 2:56:29)
so, for and that is in this agreement,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:29 - 2:56:31)
and the town is protected with that.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:32 - 2:56:42)
And I heard the chairwoman ask how that works. The way that works is the town incurs the expense, they document the expense at the end of our annual license period.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:43 - 2:57:12)
Uh in this agreement it says we have to notify you when our licenses about to expire. And then you provide us the copy of the receipts and then we pay you. So that process is captured in the agreement before you tonight. That process aligns directly with the amendments to ninety four G that were accomplished later chapter one A_D_ That is a separate discussion from the discussion about the prior community impacts fees. So the

[Speaker 10] (2:57:12 - 2:57:36)
So those are our separate matters, and this disagreement does not address the prior uh any community impact fees, this addresses the community i impact fees going forward. Uh and as drafted by Katie Law um it complies with the current limitations under the law. So if you were just by way of example to say we want to leave the mandatory three percent fee in there, uh

[Speaker 10] (2:57:36 - 2:57:49)
uh the ccc will reject it and just send it back to the town because that is now expressly prohibited by law. So I'm just trying to help provide some color to the board. Um I'm very very familiar with this issue and happy to speak to it in an objective way.

[Speaker 10] (2:57:49 - 2:57:56)
Um but it's uh I'm just trying to fire up kid able so the board can you know digest it as separate matters because they they truly are.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:57 - 2:57:57)
That's

[Speaker 7] (2:57:57 - 2:57:57)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (2:57:57 - 2:57:57)
very

[Speaker 7] (2:57:57 - 2:57:58)
you for the clarity.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:58 - 2:58:02)
helpful and sounds different to me now. I mean one thing is helpful is about

[Speaker 3] (2:58:03 - 2:58:08)
what the agreement has been and whether or not you know the the

[Speaker 9] (2:58:08 - 2:58:09)
This will make separate

[Speaker 3] (2:58:09 - 2:58:22)
cases get adjudicated and how that plays out that's separate from going forward and then the going forward now sounds like even the base 3% is that require receipts

[Speaker 10] (2:58:24 - 2:58:24)
No, so this big

[Speaker 5] (2:58:24 - 2:58:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:58:25 - 2:58:27)
base that you were sent, just to be clear,

[Speaker 10] (2:58:27 - 2:58:28)
is a local excise

[Speaker 7] (2:58:28 - 2:58:28)
So,

[Speaker 10] (2:58:28 - 2:58:28)
tax.

[Speaker 7] (2:58:28 - 2:58:28)
it's a tax.

[Speaker 10] (2:58:28 - 2:58:29)
So the

[Speaker 5] (2:58:29 - 2:58:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:58:29 - 2:58:29)
money

[Speaker 9] (2:58:29 - 2:58:30)
That's the already in.

[Speaker 10] (2:58:30 - 2:58:34)
that you were talking about relative to the three percent that Margie was referencing through D

[Speaker 2] (2:58:41 - 2:58:45)
That money is paid directly to DOR along the regular sales tax.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:45 - 2:58:58)
And the town receives that three percent excise tax in a dollar-for-dollar reimbursement. So there's no, you know, that money doesn't go anywhere else other than the town's laws goes. So the turkey journey certainly has been paying three percent.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:58 - 2:58:59)
Local cannabis has been paying.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:59 - 2:59:05)
a three percent by way of an excise tax that's paid to the U.S. and then reimbursed to the town.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:06 - 2:59:09)
That is continuing perpetuate. The laws have changed.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:10 - 2:59:16)
The town's been receiving that money since day one of these operations and will continue to receive that money.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:16 - 2:59:16)
So that is...

[Speaker 2] (2:59:17 - 2:59:36)
strictly a local access tax enacted under statute. The 1% the turkey journey you're talking about is an additional benefit to town guests by hosting a social equity company and I applaud the turkey journey for that you know they've been a great business in town certainly. So those monies have

[Speaker 2] (2:59:37 - 2:59:41)
all been paid to DOR. Whether or not you received them, I certainly couldn't speak to that,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:41 - 2:59:47)
but that's an excise tax and that money the town has received since day one and will continue to receive.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:48 - 2:59:51)
Totally separate and apart is this idea of community impact fee,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:51 - 3:00:00)
which we then further have to bifurcate into the prior community impact fee and to go forward, which it says chapter 180 is after 2020.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:01 - 3:00:07)
So I hope I don't have any answering questions, but there really is almost three buckets of money,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:07 - 3:00:11)
one of which is the same bucket but divided in two periods of time,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:11 - 3:00:14)
one prior to 2022 and one subsequent to 2020.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:15 - 3:00:17)
Thank you, I find that to be very helpful

[Speaker 4] (3:00:17 - 3:00:18)
Yes, very

[Speaker 2] (3:00:18 - 3:00:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:18 - 3:00:20)
um appreciate the feedback there.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:20 - 3:00:35)
And then just additional change from the Calix Peak proposal is the hours that we're listing in here. The business would like to change them from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. Saturday to Friday, although they don't open until 9,

[Speaker 5] (3:00:35 - 3:00:41)
but they wanted to be able to have an opportunity to be able to receive deliveries in the earlier time.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:41 - 3:00:50)
it'll be open a little bit later, and then the Sunday hours stay the same. So it's on page 8 of 16 under hours of operation.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:51 - 3:00:54)
And if anybody would like it appropriate, there is a board on that, by me.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
Please

[Speaker 2] (3:00:57 - 3:01:24)
So we're proposing changing that so it's actually set seven days a week at the Saturday and Friday schedule. We did that primarily because of how the agreement is drafted. So it limits our ability to even distribute marijuana during outside of business hours and so we need the expanded hours in order to bring in inventory and potentially transfer it to other stores, whatever the case may be. So it wouldn't necessarily be the consumers.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:24 - 3:01:28)
But the way the agreement was presented to us by KPMG law,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:29 - 3:01:33)
the distribution of marijuana also came with saying what they consider hours of operation.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:34 - 3:01:37)
We were, and the reason, so we don't tend to open...

[Speaker 2] (3:01:37 - 3:01:41)
On a regular basis during those hours that we just need to facilitate the operation of the business.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:41 - 3:01:44)
And we always say that because that's how it was defined in the agreement.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:45 - 3:01:50)
I would ask also before, as you said, we would like to, in recent weeks after Sunday,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:50 - 3:01:54)
as we certainly received, received more, said not shipping so much Sunday,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:54 - 3:01:58)
but more importantly, on Sundays prior to Monday holidays,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:58 - 3:02:02)
it would be helpful if we could have extended hours on that one Sunday.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:03 - 3:02:07)
Those were the two main reasons behind the request.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:07 - 3:02:16)
It isn't that we intend to go to multi-operatives during those hours. It was to operate the business during those hours for the conditions I just mentioned.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:16 - 3:02:19)
But on page eight of what I have here,

[Speaker 7] (3:02:20 - 3:02:22)
it doesn't have the hours

[Speaker 5] (3:02:22 - 3:02:22)
Of

[Speaker 7] (3:02:22 - 3:02:23)
you just

[Speaker 5] (3:02:23 - 3:02:23)
Kalix

[Speaker 7] (3:02:23 - 3:02:23)
mentioned.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:23 - 3:02:26)
Peak? Do you have the Kalix Peak proposal or are you looking at Chirping Journey?

[Speaker 5] (3:02:26 - 3:02:27)
Sorry.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:27 - 3:02:29)
No, we're only talking about chirping journey today.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:32 - 3:02:32)
The word polar

[Speaker 5] (3:02:32 - 3:02:32)
Here you

[Speaker 2] (3:02:32 - 3:02:32)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:02:32 - 3:02:33)
go,

[Speaker 2] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33)
have

[Speaker 3] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33)
I.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33)
Kate, look to your

[Speaker 3] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33)
right.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:33 - 3:02:35)
I'm sorry, Gant, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:35 - 3:02:35)
I didn't mean to.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:35 - 3:02:36)
Yeah, 'cause

[Speaker 3] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
Apologies.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:36 - 3:02:38)
peak is your name. I are you always a similar

[Speaker 2] (3:02:38 - 3:02:42)
is is Kate doing business as local cannabis just

[Speaker 3] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
for clarity

[Speaker 3] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
that's

[Speaker 2] (3:02:42 - 3:02:43)
on the

[Speaker 3] (3:02:43 - 3:02:43)
why.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:43 - 3:02:43)
board.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:43 - 3:02:44)
Sorry about that.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45)
No worries.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:45 - 3:02:48)
I think I'm looking at 16 pages.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:52 - 3:02:54)
Kalix Peak, page eight.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:55 - 3:02:56)
Page eight.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:56 - 3:02:58)
Dosser? There's I,

[Speaker 7] (3:02:58 - 3:02:59)
Doug.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:59 - 3:03:00)
I yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:00 - 3:03:02)
Do you think I under under hours of operation

[Speaker 5] (3:03:02 - 3:03:04)
Under under hours of operation do you have that?

[Speaker 7] (3:03:04 - 3:03:10)
Yeah, but it says 9 a.m. through 10 p.m. Monday through Saturday.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:10 - 3:03:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:11 - 3:03:13)
And 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. on Sundays.

[Speaker 10] (3:03:13 - 3:03:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:14 - 3:03:16)
And the request is to to be from 8 a.m. to

[Speaker 7] (3:03:16 - 3:03:18)
But that's what I'm saying, the new hours are not in here.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:18 - 3:03:21)
Oh, that's correct. That's why I would decide I brought that to your attention just

[Speaker 7] (3:03:21 - 3:03:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:21 - 3:03:21)
to let you know

[Speaker 7] (3:03:21 - 3:03:21)
gotcha,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:21 - 3:03:22)
that was my my my

[Speaker 3] (3:03:22 - 3:03:24)
So that would be a change that we would see

[Speaker 5] (3:03:24 - 3:03:24)
exactly,

[Speaker 3] (3:03:24 - 3:03:25)
on the next one.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:25 - 3:03:25)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:25 - 3:03:36)
And tripping journey they're keeping the hours the same as similar Monday through Saturday from 9 to 9 55 and then on Sundays from 11 to 555. So the hours are so.

[Speaker 10] (3:03:36 - 3:03:37)
555?

[Speaker 5] (3:03:37 - 3:03:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:37 - 3:03:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (3:03:39 - 3:03:45)
If effectively, uh we presented that way to the customers so that they don't expect to show up at like ten on the dot and

[Speaker 3] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
And

[Speaker 11] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
you

[Speaker 3] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
have

[Speaker 11] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
know,

[Speaker 3] (3:03:46 - 3:03:47)
it open.

[Speaker 11] (3:03:47 - 3:03:49)
uh but it it's effectively till ten, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:52 - 3:03:55)
And in this like Sunday mo you so

[Speaker 7] (3:03:56 - 3:04:04)
Is there any issue with like loud trucks Sunday morning with Kalix Peak or anything like that that we need to be worried about with the neighbours right behind

[Speaker 5] (3:04:04 - 3:04:04)
It's

[Speaker 7] (3:04:04 - 3:04:04)
there?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:04 - 3:04:10)
smaller, it's the delivery trucks are smaller trucks, it's not an eighteen-wheeler that brings the equipment in, so I don't

[Speaker 7] (3:04:10 - 3:04:12)
Maybe for a holiday weekend, you know what I mean? It's not

[Speaker 3] (3:04:12 - 3:04:13)
So you know what they're delivering.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:14 - 3:04:15)
But so

[Speaker 7] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
Do

[Speaker 12] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
what

[Speaker 7] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
we?

[Speaker 12] (3:04:15 - 3:04:19)
are their what are their our so what are their hours right now on Sunday? Is it That's eleven

[Speaker 7] (3:04:19 - 3:04:19)
right

[Speaker 5] (3:04:19 - 3:04:19)
Eleven

[Speaker 7] (3:04:19 - 3:04:20)
here.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:20 - 3:04:20)
eleven.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:20 - 3:04:20)
eleven

[Speaker 5] (3:04:20 - 3:04:20)
Eleven o

[Speaker 12] (3:04:20 - 3:04:20)
to

[Speaker 7] (3:04:20 - 3:04:20)
Eleven.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:20 - 3:04:20)
'clock.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:20 - 3:04:22)
eleven six is their hours right now.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:22 - 3:04:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:22 - 3:04:24)
But they want to go to eight, eight a.m.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:24 - 3:04:27)
Eleven to six on Sunday, and that's not changing. So the only

[Speaker 7] (3:04:27 - 3:04:27)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:27 - 3:04:27)
change

[Speaker 7] (3:04:27 - 3:04:28)
that's not changing. Sorry,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
that

[Speaker 7] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
never

[Speaker 5] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
Sunday

[Speaker 7] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
mind.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:28 - 3:04:29)
is not changing.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:29 - 3:04:30)
Okay, never mind.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:30 - 3:04:32)
Uh please correct me if I'm wrong, but but

[Speaker 2] (3:04:32 - 3:04:32)
Yeah, the

[Speaker 5] (3:04:32 - 3:04:32)
eight

[Speaker 2] (3:04:32 - 3:04:32)
the proposal

[Speaker 5] (3:04:32 - 3:04:33)
eight, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:33 - 3:04:48)
th the the proposal is to amend the hours, and we almost recommend to our peak your ages it is as well, because if you look in the hours of operation paragraph that you were just referencing, if you read the beginning of that paragraph, it includes uh specific scope for

[Speaker 2] (3:04:48 - 3:04:55)
work uh they were allowed to conduct during those hours. And so what we're what maybe let me say it this way.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:56 - 3:04:56)
um

[Speaker 5] (3:04:56 - 3:04:57)
Yes, tribute.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:57 - 3:05:24)
retail hours differ from hours of operation. The way the way this agreement is drafted those hours are hours of operation meaning we technically could not receive product outside of those hours. We would prefer to receive them maybe before the customers come in or something to that effect. So retail hours and hours of operation because how this agreement are drafted differ. So what we're suggesting is to expand the hours of operation.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:24 - 3:05:45)
hours that we may operate in this recognizing we are not at this time proposing to change our retail hours and our retail hours are five minutes different than from peak charity we we can include the full hour but I do appreciate the approach certainly so our retail hours we're not proposing to change this time our hours of operation given the way the agreement is drafted

[Speaker 2] (3:05:46 - 3:05:56)
I reckon it just should be amended and possibly for Turkey and Journey as well so they could take deliveries outside of their regional hours. But that's certainly a decision, something to consider.

[Speaker 11] (3:05:56 - 3:05:58)
We like the extra hour of sleep.

[Speaker 11] (3:06:01 - 3:06:02)
It's a

[Speaker 3] (3:06:02 - 3:06:02)
All these meetings.

[Speaker 13] (3:06:02 - 3:06:03)
I love it.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:03 - 3:06:06)
So that was the primary reason for the request.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:06 - 3:06:14)
We're not proposing to change our retail hours at this point but we would need some additional flexibility for our operations given how the agreement is drafted.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:14 - 3:06:27)
So and certainly if you could talk to Katy and I and talk about retail hours and if the polls are more comfortable addressing it that way we're hoping that discussion, but as drafted they, our RSG estimates that need to be amended to allow for us to operate the business.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:30 - 3:06:32)
Okay, any additional comments or discussion?

[Speaker 12] (3:06:33 - 3:06:39)
The only issue I have with changing hours is this affects a residential area.

[Speaker 12] (3:06:40 - 3:06:43)
You know, do the people in the residential area know about that?

[Speaker 12] (3:06:44 - 3:06:46)
Do have they had the opportunity to come up?

[Speaker 2] (3:06:49 - 3:07:00)
we went through and you may remember there's a gas station slash convenience store slash liquor store there and we went through the process of demolishing that building and building an entirely new building

[Speaker 2] (3:07:00 - 3:07:16)
uh and i will say we've had an incredibly good relationship with our neighbours we did that project right in the middle of their neighbourhood uh all i don't think we've had marcy correct me wrong i don't believe we received a complaint even during construction uh we installed a uh very high solid vinyl

[Speaker 2] (3:07:16 - 3:07:24)
violent offense. We had no complaints of trespass, no issues with customers or deliveries. The deliveries to Marsh's Point are typically a Sprinter van or smaller.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:25 - 3:07:31)
Um so we don't see conditions impacting the neighbourhood in any major form, specifically in light of the

[Speaker 2] (3:07:31 - 3:07:45)
uh six foot five fence that separates us from the neighbourhood, they wouldn't even see that dice, uh and they don't now. So we don't we don't see the impact to the neighbours here, um and again we're not suggesting changing the customer access hours so to speak,

[Speaker 2] (3:07:45 - 3:07:49)
it's really just a reflection of how uh KPMG operates with the degree. That's that's what we were just talking about.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:51 - 3:08:02)
And then just one additional point is that Chirping Journey will be seeking a delivery license um and we will have a neighbourhood or public meeting tomorrow at Rechards at seven p.m.

[Speaker 11] (3:08:03 - 3:08:09)
And we'll be rec recording it as well, so if folks can't make it, you'll get a transcript and kind of recording of that.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:10 - 3:08:11)
And we'll share it, yeah, via like

[Speaker 3] (3:08:11 - 3:08:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
uh

[Speaker 7] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
Excellent.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:12 - 3:08:13)
the normal

[Speaker 12] (3:08:13 - 3:08:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:13 - 3:08:14)
channels of the town.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:15 - 3:08:16)
Very good.

[Speaker 12] (3:08:16 - 3:08:29)
So I think one thing while we're here tonight, you should just make it really public because when originally Marzy said asked me about delivering I was like, what are you crazy? But after talking to a number

[Speaker 1] (3:08:50 - 3:08:52)
These are so many precautions.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:52 - 3:08:55)
And we received the additional revenue from the sales. So even sales

[Speaker 1] (3:08:55 - 3:08:55)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:55 - 3:08:58)
outside of the town, let's say the surrounding communities,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:58 - 3:08:58)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:58 - 3:09:00)
they will get the uh the proceeds from the sale.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:00 - 3:09:02)
Right. So it just seems like it's a

[Speaker 1] (3:09:03 - 3:09:04)
A win-win.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:04 - 3:09:05)
Yeah. I did meet

[Speaker 4] (3:09:05 - 3:09:05)
Considering

[Speaker 3] (3:09:05 - 3:09:05)
um

[Speaker 4] (3:09:05 - 3:09:08)
we deliver liquor, I don't see how this is

[Speaker 2] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
any Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
different.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:08 - 3:09:17)
Yeah, I did meet with um Chief Quesada as well today to go over our written SOPs, so he's kind of in the loop as well about what it will look like for the town.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:17 - 3:09:29)
And I did also check with um with the police department about both facilities of both operators to see if there were any unusual calls to the to the um uh addresses or if there were any reports of anything and there was none.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:29 - 3:09:31)
It was on. And I think I share that with

[Speaker 4] (3:09:31 - 3:09:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:31 - 3:09:32)
you.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:32 - 3:09:32)
you did.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:32 - 3:09:37)
And since we're interested in revenue and revenue growth,

[Speaker 5] (3:09:37 - 3:09:42)
what type of – how do you envision this shaping the business?

[Speaker 5] (3:09:43 - 3:09:46)
How do you envision this – what's the revenue impact?

[Speaker 3] (3:09:47 - 3:09:50)
Yeah, I mean, I think for us it'll be fairly small.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:52 - 3:09:56)
I at best I think it'll increase our revenue by like twenty percent. That's the best case scenario.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:56 - 3:09:57)
Really?

[Speaker 3] (3:09:57 - 3:10:15)
And the reason I think it'll be kind of limited is because um we're sort of limited by our vault space and right now our vault is mostly at capacity, so um, you know, we definitely have room to sell more but, you know, we're kind of gonna be kinda limited by just the physical space of how much product we can keep on sight. Um

[Speaker 3] (3:10:15 - 3:10:22)
But I think, you know, we're gonna give it a shot and I think if, you know, all goes well, you know, we'll go for that twenty percent.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:22 - 3:10:29)
And then maybe we'll tra have to find another spot in the swamps got to get more fluoride space so we can, you know, keep expanding it.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:30 - 3:10:30)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:30 - 3:10:31)
Good.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:31 - 3:10:31)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (3:10:31 - 3:10:31)
Very

[Speaker 5] (3:10:31 - 3:10:32)
you.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:32 - 3:10:32)
good.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:32 - 3:10:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:34 - 3:10:39)
Appreciate your um coming tonight, both of you. Thank you very much. And um

[Speaker 6] (3:10:40 - 3:10:42)
There's some motions on the table. Move on to the next topic.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:42 - 3:10:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:43 - 3:10:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:43 - 3:10:43)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:43 - 3:10:44)
Thank

[Speaker 7] (3:10:44 - 3:10:44)
I Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:44 - 3:10:44)
you.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:44 - 3:10:44)
I just

[Speaker 7] (3:10:44 - 3:10:45)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:45 - 3:10:45)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (3:10:45 - 3:10:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:45 - 3:10:50)
you. Hey, I just wanna know what what are we doing as far as getting information out.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:50 - 3:11:05)
Uh I do wanna hear what the neighbours of Pine Street have to say about changing ours. Not your area, 'cause you're in a you're not in a residential area. But this is a residential area and I just wanna make sure that neighbours have every opportunity to weigh in.

[Speaker 4] (3:11:06 - 3:11:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:07 - 3:11:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:07 - 3:11:07)
So Well,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:07 - 3:11:08)
you know what? I it it's

[Speaker 6] (3:11:08 - 3:11:10)
we're gonna have we're gonna hold a meeting anyways for

[Speaker 2] (3:11:10 - 3:11:10)
No, it's not.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:10 - 3:11:13)
that neighbourhood so we can absolutely mention it.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:13 - 3:11:13)
No,

[Speaker 4] (3:11:13 - 3:11:13)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:11:13 - 3:11:14)
with the

[Speaker 4] (3:11:14 - 3:11:14)
my one.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:14 - 3:11:15)
meeting with B'nai B'rith,

[Speaker 6] (3:11:15 - 3:11:15)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:11:15 - 3:11:16)
but that's the same neighbourhood,

[Speaker 6] (3:11:16 - 3:11:16)
semantic design.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:16 - 3:11:17)
so then I can ask

[Speaker 6] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
Go for ahead.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
it.

[Speaker 4] (3:11:17 - 3:11:19)
Yeah, I did. Oh, so you have a double meeting.

[Speaker 4] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19)
There would be I great

[Speaker 9] (3:11:19 - 3:11:20)
think it's

[Speaker 4] (3:11:20 - 3:11:20)
for

[Speaker 9] (3:11:20 - 3:11:24)
more Curry Circle that's impacted than Pine Street probably, because that's where the trucks go down.

[Speaker 4] (3:11:24 - 3:11:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:25 - 3:11:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:25 - 3:11:28)
Well, what Pete said is there's a six foot tall fence

[Speaker 4] (3:11:28 - 3:11:28)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:28 - 3:11:28)
There's

[Speaker 6] (3:11:28 - 3:11:28)
And

[Speaker 5] (3:11:28 - 3:11:28)
not even

[Speaker 6] (3:11:28 - 3:11:28)
the and

[Speaker 5] (3:11:28 - 3:11:29)
a united

[Speaker 6] (3:11:29 - 3:11:29)
the it's

[Speaker 5] (3:11:29 - 3:11:29)
even getting

[Speaker 4] (3:11:29 - 3:11:29)
a Sprinter

[Speaker 5] (3:11:29 - 3:11:29)
in a seat

[Speaker 4] (3:11:29 - 3:11:29)
van.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:29 - 3:11:30)
yeah

[Speaker 5] (3:11:30 - 3:11:30)
Yeah, and I see

[Speaker 6] (3:11:30 - 3:11:30)
and it's

[Speaker 5] (3:11:30 - 3:11:30)
those two

[Speaker 6] (3:11:30 - 3:11:31)
a Sprinter

[Speaker 5] (3:11:31 - 3:11:31)
lights.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:31 - 3:11:31)
van,

[Speaker 5] (3:11:31 - 3:11:32)
Yeah, there's yeah. not an 18 wheeler

[Speaker 9] (3:11:32 - 3:11:32)
There.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:32 - 3:11:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:33 - 3:11:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:33 - 3:11:39)
Yeah, and there's not been one complaint thus far. So let's, let's definitely inform the public of the change and allow them the space for feedback,

[Speaker 6] (3:11:39 - 3:11:43)
but hopefully they'll be understanding.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:44 - 3:11:46)
Thank you. And thank you, Margie, for helping.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:47 - 3:11:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:48 - 3:11:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:48 - 3:11:49)
Appreciate your help, Jordan.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:49 - 3:11:51)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:53 - 3:11:56)
Speaking of patience, we have Officer Reen with us.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:57 - 3:11:57)
Hi.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:58 - 3:12:00)
It's been here for quite some time.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:00 - 3:12:01)
No worries.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:01 - 3:12:02)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:02 - 3:12:02)
How are you?

[Speaker 6] (3:12:02 - 3:12:03)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:03 - 3:12:04)
For discussion,

[Speaker 6] (3:12:05 - 3:12:09)
impossible vote on the recommended changes to Elm Place,

[Speaker 6] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
Burpee Road,

[Speaker 6] (3:12:09 - 3:12:12)
Kings Beach Terrace, Norfolk Avenue,

[Speaker 6] (3:12:12 - 3:12:12)
Middlesex Ave,

[Speaker 6] (3:12:13 - 3:12:13)
and Burrell Street.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:15 - 3:12:16)
Take it away.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:17 - 3:12:19)
Where would you like me to start first?

[Speaker 6] (3:12:20 - 3:12:24)
Well, let's start with Elm Place because we've we've been here done that, right? We've

[Speaker 4] (3:12:24 - 3:12:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:24 - 3:12:25)
we've had this conversation.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:26 - 3:12:42)
Yes, we have. Um so Elm Place um as previous, you just previously discussed um would be recommending for one way, entering from the Westcott side, exiting through the Burpee Road side of Elm Place with traffic um

[Speaker 3] (3:12:43 - 3:12:47)
As we discussed at the community engagement meeting,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:48 - 3:12:52)
it was presented by the residents of the area.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:52 - 3:12:53)
We looked into it,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:53 - 3:12:56)
like we spoke with all of the residents, carried it forward.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:56 - 3:13:09)
So we definitely would be in support of that moving forward. One of the things that we would like to make an order of is the parking signs on the exit side of Elm Place.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:10 - 3:13:11)
There is some...

[Speaker 3] (3:13:13 - 3:13:19)
shrubbery and brush that need to be manicured that would allow better viewpoint of the signs.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:20 - 3:13:23)
There's specific areas of parallel parking.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:24 - 3:13:26)
They've been washed out, they've been faded.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:26 - 3:13:40)
So just some of the replacements as well as Mr. Crestor and I did speak about this a little bit, about possibly eliminating a spot at the very end of the exit entering onto Essex Street. It just could, it could

[Speaker 3] (3:13:41 - 3:13:45)
definitely pose a problem for traffic pulling out.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:45 - 3:13:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:45 - 3:13:58)
Um so I think with D_P_W_ looking at that and making the proper measurements as opposed to for ex exiting the street on to the traffic they could make the postings um much more uh obvious, I think.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:59 - 3:13:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:00 - 3:14:00)
Yes, Mr.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:00 - 3:14:07)
Oh, Serene. So you had mentioned needing to trim some of the shrubbery or bushes or what have you.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:07 - 3:14:09)
Is that on private property or is that on town owned?

[Speaker 3] (3:14:09 - 3:14:10)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:10 - 3:14:15)
I don't know what lines where as far as the town

[Speaker 5] (3:14:15 - 3:14:16)
But that's

[Speaker 3] (3:14:16 - 3:14:16)
lines versus.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:16 - 3:14:19)
just your recommendation from a safety perspective.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:19 - 3:14:20)
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:20 - 3:14:20)
Got it. Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:20 - 3:14:21)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:22 - 3:14:25)
And just so is there any

[Speaker 5] (3:14:26 - 3:14:32)
Any resistance, any drawback just on that Elm Place one-way parallel parking just to make sure we've reflected.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:33 - 3:14:39)
No, and what it would allow would just be for people and residents to park in the area.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:39 - 3:14:44)
It would make the traffic flow more efficiently. So if we're parking,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:44 - 3:14:50)
if you're parking angular against the gym that's right there, the swamp.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:51 - 3:15:08)
Um where the the wall leads up to Essex Street, cars taking that left-hand turn through this horseshoe could have trouble depending on the size of the vehicle coming around as the the cars are sticking their tail ends into the roadway.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:09 - 3:15:26)
At this particular point, there's already signs there that stipulate parallel parking. We're just suggesting that they be more obvious. Um and, again, it would come back to the police department to monitor and uh initiate any citations that might need to be presented. Um

[Speaker 3] (3:15:27 - 3:15:34)
we just wanna be as upfront and obvious with the restrictions in the area and stick with the original pattern that's there.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:35 - 3:15:43)
And this came as a suggestion from the residents, but have any of the businesses been um spoken to or have you have we had any

[Speaker 3] (3:15:43 - 3:15:43)
I've

[Speaker 6] (3:15:43 - 3:15:43)
feedback?

[Speaker 3] (3:15:43 - 3:15:45)
spoken, um I've spoken with with Berks. I've

[Speaker 6] (3:15:45 - 3:15:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:46 - 3:15:50)
talked to some of the the people there, um but other than that there has not been any resistance,

[Speaker 6] (3:15:50 - 3:15:50)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:50 - 3:15:52)
uh and there is no other business in the area.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:53 - 3:15:53)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:53 - 3:15:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:54 - 3:15:54)
Except

[Speaker 9] (3:15:54 - 3:15:55)
Store in the major, I guess.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:55 - 3:15:55)
for

[Speaker 3] (3:15:55 - 3:15:55)
The storage.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:55 - 3:15:56)
the storage

[Speaker 3] (3:15:56 - 3:15:56)
So they

[Speaker 6] (3:15:56 - 3:15:57)
yeah, and the and

[Speaker 3] (3:15:57 - 3:15:58)
they the would be exiting anyway.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:58 - 3:15:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:58 - 3:15:58)
Uh

[Speaker 2] (3:15:58 - 3:15:58)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:58 - 3:15:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:58 - 3:15:59)
so there's no

[Speaker 6] (3:16:00 - 3:16:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:00 - 3:16:04)
Uh that that's the general flow of the traffic as it moves through that street.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:04 - 3:16:08)
Um so why don't we take these in individual

[Speaker 3] (3:16:08 - 3:16:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:09 - 3:16:09)
motions

[Speaker 3] (3:16:09 - 3:16:10)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:10 - 3:16:11)
that way if anything so

[Speaker 1] (3:16:11 - 3:16:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:11 - 3:16:13)
I would entertain a motion.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:13 - 3:16:17)
Motion to approve own place one way parallel parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:17 - 3:16:17)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:17 - 3:16:18)
In a second.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:18 - 3:16:19)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:19 - 3:16:20)
All in favor?

[Speaker 9] (3:16:20 - 3:16:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:20 - 3:16:21)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:21 - 3:16:22)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:22 - 3:16:24)
Moving on to Murphy Road one way.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:25 - 3:16:33)
At this time we are suggesting that we hold a community meeting just like we had with the Westcott project.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:34 - 3:16:39)
I put some information in the memo that I had sent to you, but we have

[Speaker 3] (3:16:42 - 3:16:51)
About a month's worth of data from the past few weeks where there's only been about fourteen thousand cars, fourteen to fifteen thousand that have travelled on that road. Um

[Speaker 3] (3:16:51 - 3:17:02)
n there hasn't been any conversation with anybody outside of Burpee Road up into the higher precincts Windsor, Foster,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:02 - 3:17:09)
Ellen, Vaughn, Harvard I mean there's so many so many streets up there uh I think the infrastructure of those streets

[Speaker 3] (3:17:10 - 3:17:14)
would bear a lot of weight by the additional change in traffic.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:14 - 3:17:15)
However,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:15 - 3:17:18)
I need to be perfectly clear, I am not a traffic engineer,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:18 - 3:17:29)
so I also think it would be very prudent of the town to decide if an engineering company would be sufficient to bring in to evaluate what might need to be constructed,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:29 - 3:17:30)
moved,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:30 - 3:17:31)
adjusted.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:31 - 3:17:33)
That is not on my purview.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:33 - 3:17:34)
I don't see that.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:34 - 3:17:38)
That's why I would maybe make a recommendation to hold it so that we can discuss it,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:38 - 3:17:39)
find the data.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:41 - 3:17:44)
I wouldn't want to rush anything forward.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:44 - 3:17:50)
What other options are there other than making that a one way? What about the speed bump issue

[Speaker 6] (3:17:50 - 3:17:51)
Speed pillows.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:51 - 3:17:53)
or little bumps

[Speaker 6] (3:17:53 - 3:17:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:53 - 3:17:54)
to speeding,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:54 - 3:17:55)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:17:55 - 3:17:55)
if that's the main concern?

[Speaker 3] (3:17:55 - 3:17:56)
mean, Mr.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:56 - 3:17:59)
Kester and I also did talk about that in my memo.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:00 - 3:18:00)
I'm not.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:01 - 3:18:14)
Moving that, it's not in my opinion, I'm not moving that forward right now we're looking at a average speed of twenty four miles per hour in a twenty five mile per hour zone. That was a school zone area so it would have been twenty.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:16 - 3:18:24)
The time of day does come into play, depending that we we see more traffic in a higher volume earlier in the morning.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:46 - 3:18:57)
Uh the speed bumps in there, um I think it I think Mr. Cresta we talked about finding the median for the middle point from Buena Vista to Essex Street and line it in the middle,

[Speaker 2] (3:18:57 - 3:18:57)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:57 - 3:19:01)
which would be roughly about where the speed sign is, I think.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:01 - 3:19:01)
I think it's

[Speaker 3] (3:19:01 - 3:19:02)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:19:02 - 3:19:02)
right out

[Speaker 3] (3:19:02 - 3:19:04)
because the whole point here is to is because of the speed

[Speaker 4] (3:19:04 - 3:19:05)
mitigate.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:05 - 3:19:07)
issue, right? That's why we're considering making it a one way.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:07 - 3:19:07)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:08 - 3:19:08)
So.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:08 - 3:19:10)
Okay. But there's really not a speed initiative.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:10 - 3:19:10)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (3:19:10 - 3:19:11)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (3:19:11 - 3:19:11)
right.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:11 - 3:19:14)
there's a perception of a speed issue, and if it's 24,

[Speaker 5] (3:19:14 - 3:19:16)
it's pretty close, right?

[Speaker 5] (3:19:16 - 3:19:21)
So you have residents that are asking for these speed bumps,

[Speaker 5] (3:19:21 - 3:19:21)
pillows,

[Speaker 5] (3:19:22 - 3:19:22)
whatever you want to call them.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:22 - 3:19:23)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:23 - 3:19:23)
They're temporary.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:23 - 3:19:26)
Why don't we just put it in there?

[Speaker 5] (3:19:27 - 3:19:28)
Let's give it a shot and see if it

[Speaker 1] (3:19:28 - 3:19:28)
And

[Speaker 5] (3:19:28 - 3:19:28)
can.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:28 - 3:19:38)
that and that's free. I'm not I'm going either way. I'm not advocating or just not advocating. I'm just saying in my opinion with what the data I have,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:38 - 3:19:40)
I'm just presenting it because of what I've read.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:40 - 3:19:42)
I don't feel in my opinion, it's just true,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:42 - 3:19:43)
but by all means.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:43 - 3:19:44)
You let me

[Speaker 7] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
But

[Speaker 2] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
be aware.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:44 - 3:19:46)
I think that's the dif no this is 0-25

[Speaker 2] (3:19:46 - 3:19:46)
$20,

[Speaker 7] (3:19:46 - 3:19:53)
but it would have been 28 when it was a school zone. But this is the difference between perception and actual data. So the perception is speeding and you're saying this.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:53 - 3:19:57)
the speed pillows might hump that hump that uh fix that speed

[Speaker 5] (3:19:57 - 3:19:57)
Thank

[Speaker 7] (3:19:57 - 3:20:06)
humps might help that. But if the data is coming back that there isn't speeding, you're saying it's close because the average is 24 to 25.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:08 - 3:20:08)
I mean

[Speaker 2] (3:20:09 - 3:20:09)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:20:09 - 3:20:18)
I I just think I've heard from someone on foster and someone on Elwyn who are adamantly against making this a one way because of the rerouting that

[Speaker 7] (3:20:18 - 3:20:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:18 - 3:20:25)
they would be required to do on a daily basis. So I don't wanna overburden residents if we haven't tried something

[Speaker 7] (3:20:25 - 3:20:25)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:25 - 3:20:26)
else.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:26 - 3:20:28)
And I've heard Buena, I've had two

[Speaker 3] (3:20:28 - 3:20:28)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (3:20:28 - 3:20:28)
we two

[Speaker 3] (3:20:28 - 3:20:28)
do

[Speaker 5] (3:20:28 - 3:20:30)
people from Buena Vista.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:31 - 3:20:32)
Have, because that would be the cut through.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:32 - 3:20:36)
have called and said that, you know, they're panicked about a one-way, so

[Speaker 1] (3:20:36 - 3:20:43)
If appeasing it to put speed bumps, the temporary speed bumps like we had talked about, Mr. Cresta, if that's something that would

[Speaker 5] (3:20:43 - 3:20:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:43 - 3:20:44)
help

[Speaker 5] (3:20:45 - 3:20:46)
Let's just try it,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:46 - 3:20:47)
see what the data presents

[Speaker 3] (3:20:47 - 3:20:47)
we have

[Speaker 1] (3:20:47 - 3:20:47)
after

[Speaker 3] (3:20:47 - 3:20:47)
it.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:47 - 3:20:48)
we put them in,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:48 - 3:20:48)
We

[Speaker 1] (3:20:48 - 3:20:49)
and we we can can do

[Speaker 3] (3:20:49 - 3:20:49)
have

[Speaker 1] (3:20:49 - 3:20:49)
a

[Speaker 3] (3:20:49 - 3:20:49)
them.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:49 - 3:20:50)
we can do a balanced effect between

[Speaker 2] (3:20:50 - 3:20:51)
Well, we have

[Speaker 1] (3:20:51 - 3:20:51)
it.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:51 - 3:20:54)
the one we have the one from sets and add because they don't want them anymore because of

[Speaker 5] (3:20:54 - 3:20:54)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:54 - 3:20:55)
the amount of noise it

[Speaker 5] (3:20:55 - 3:20:55)
makes. Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:55 - 3:20:56)
So we can bring

[Speaker 3] (3:20:56 - 3:20:56)
To

[Speaker 2] (3:20:56 - 3:20:56)
them

[Speaker 3] (3:20:56 - 3:20:56)
go

[Speaker 2] (3:20:56 - 3:20:56)
over. in.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:57 - 3:21:10)
Yes. Right, because I mean we may say that the average is 24 and of the vehicles over 25, they average 28, that's 85% of them, but there's another 15%, how fast are they going? Because it

[Speaker 1] (3:21:10 - 3:21:10)
Well it

[Speaker 2] (3:21:10 - 3:21:11)
could

[Speaker 5] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
and

[Speaker 2] (3:21:11 - 3:21:12)
be that one mile,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:12 - 3:21:13)
And that 15%

[Speaker 2] (3:21:13 - 3:21:13)
that's really high.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:13 - 3:21:22)
and that 15% comes in through the obviously the 100% total. You have some vehicles that are hitting possibly 30 but

[Speaker 1] (3:21:22 - 3:21:32)
But you have others that are dropping even below the 20 or 24, depending on what we're looking at. So that 15% margin goes either way. It's almost like a, it's a skew. So

[Speaker 2] (3:21:32 - 3:21:35)
Right. But there could be a couple at 40 or 50, and that's really what's

[Speaker 7] (3:21:35 - 3:21:36)
Well, does the data

[Speaker 2] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
changing.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
show

[Speaker 1] (3:21:36 - 3:21:37)
I've, we haven't,

[Speaker 7] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
that?

[Speaker 1] (3:21:37 - 3:21:39)
you have never seen a car crest over

[Speaker 5] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
It's a stretch

[Speaker 1] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
40.

[Speaker 5] (3:21:39 - 3:21:40)
to go that fast on.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:40 - 3:21:40)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:40 - 3:21:41)
God

[Speaker 2] (3:21:41 - 3:21:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:41 - 3:21:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:41 - 3:21:41)
bless

[Speaker 2] (3:21:41 - 3:21:43)
and you're just measuring the And downhill.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:43 - 3:21:44)
that's measuring the downhill.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:44 - 3:21:45)
Measuring the downhill.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:45 - 3:21:45)
That was incredible.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:45 - 3:21:49)
And one of the things that has significantly dropped that.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:49 - 3:21:51)
Is the stop sign coming,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:51 - 3:21:52)
the double stop sign,

[Speaker 3] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:56)
Jesse and Buena Vista, has a significant impact on the travel through.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:56 - 3:22:01)
I'm not dismissing anybody's perception about what they're observing while they're there.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:03 - 3:22:04)
I'm just presenting

[Speaker 5] (3:22:04 - 3:22:04)
I mean we

[Speaker 1] (3:22:04 - 3:22:04)
the data.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:04 - 3:22:11)
have a former select board member who is adamant about a speed bump. And I,

[Speaker 5] (3:22:11 - 3:22:12)
pillow, whatever you want to call it.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:12 - 3:22:12)
Yeah, well we'll

[Speaker 7] (3:22:12 - 3:22:14)
The temporary ones would just

[Speaker 2] (3:22:14 - 3:22:14)
Be the yellow ones.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:14 - 3:22:15)
be

[Speaker 3] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
free.

[Speaker 3] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
think

[Speaker 2] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:22:15 - 3:22:16)
I think it's a good test.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:16 - 3:22:23)
Like I said, if this could we, if we could just make this note that we put in the temporary speed bump.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:25 - 3:22:27)
Have a community meeting at

[Speaker 7] (3:22:27 - 3:22:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:27 - 3:22:28)
some later point.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:28 - 3:22:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:28 - 3:22:32)
I can work on collecting the data from the speed bump time,

[Speaker 7] (3:22:32 - 3:22:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:32 - 3:22:36)
compare it to the data that we have before the speed bump,

[Speaker 5] (3:22:36 - 3:22:36)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:36 - 3:22:37)
and if it works, great,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:37 - 3:22:39)
and if it doesn't, then it's...

[Speaker 7] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
Perfect.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
Let's

[Speaker 5] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
do that.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:39 - 3:22:40)
another option.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:40 - 3:22:41)
That sounds like a great

[Speaker 5] (3:22:41 - 3:22:41)
Wonderful.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:41 - 3:22:41)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:22:41 - 3:22:41)
logical

[Speaker 2] (3:22:41 - 3:22:42)
think that makes sense.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:42 - 3:22:42)
idea.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:43 - 3:22:47)
I think That's definitely going to work because the speed bump's right in front of the speed limit, right?

[Speaker 9] (3:22:47 - 3:22:47)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (3:22:47 - 3:22:48)
Well.

[Speaker 9] (3:22:48 - 3:22:48)
and also

[Speaker 5] (3:22:48 - 3:22:49)
There's a speed

[Speaker 9] (3:22:49 - 3:22:49)
too,

[Speaker 5] (3:22:49 - 3:22:49)
board.

[Speaker 9] (3:22:49 - 3:22:51)
I do think the speed board has had.

[Speaker 9] (3:22:51 - 3:22:51)
had an impact

[Speaker 5] (3:22:51 - 3:22:52)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:22:52 - 3:22:52)
because

[Speaker 7] (3:22:52 - 3:22:53)
Like just a now definite.

[Speaker 9] (3:22:53 - 3:22:55)
you're now you're more cognizant it's it's

[Speaker 2] (3:22:55 - 3:22:55)
Right,

[Speaker 9] (3:22:55 - 3:22:55)
right in

[Speaker 2] (3:22:55 - 3:22:55)
excuse

[Speaker 9] (3:22:55 - 3:22:56)
your line

[Speaker 2] (3:22:56 - 3:22:56)
me.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:56 - 3:22:56)
We

[Speaker 9] (3:22:56 - 3:22:56)
of sight

[Speaker 1] (3:22:56 - 3:23:01)
did a significant increase in traffic enforcement in the area.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:02 - 3:23:05)
We produced some very, very positive results.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:06 - 3:23:14)
educationally, in a sense, um and it it it's just about the communication delivering the directive what's necessary. So

[Speaker 9] (3:23:15 - 3:23:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:15 - 3:23:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:15 - 3:23:16)
That's great. I

[Speaker 1] (3:23:16 - 3:23:16)
you

[Speaker 7] (3:23:16 - 3:23:16)
think

[Speaker 1] (3:23:16 - 3:23:16)
guys can

[Speaker 7] (3:23:16 - 3:23:16)
we would

[Speaker 1] (3:23:16 - 3:23:16)
vote

[Speaker 7] (3:23:16 - 3:23:17)
appreciate

[Speaker 1] (3:23:17 - 3:23:17)
and get

[Speaker 7] (3:23:17 - 3:23:17)
that.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:17 - 3:23:18)
it get it done.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:18 - 3:23:20)
I don't think we don't need to vote on a s a

[Speaker 5] (3:23:20 - 3:23:20)
No.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:20 - 3:23:21)
speed bump going in. So

[Speaker 5] (3:23:21 - 3:23:22)
Nope. Just put it in.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:22 - 3:23:22)
just

[Speaker 3] (3:23:22 - 3:23:22)
Alright.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:22 - 3:23:26)
give it a shot. And within your purview, Gino, you've heard the will of the board.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:27 - 3:23:31)
'Cause when are the when are the new signs gonna be up for resident parking?

[Speaker 2] (3:23:31 - 3:23:32)
Yeah, I gotta get

[Speaker 2] (3:23:32 - 3:23:39)
To be totally honest with you, uh we haven't audited those yet. I'll audit those tomorrow. I'll audit them. I'll start. Is that number three you ran?

[Speaker 5] (3:23:39 - 3:23:40)
King Speech Terrace.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:41 - 3:23:41)
No.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:41 - 3:23:46)
Do you know is there somebody um outside of you who could order those signs? 'Cause it feels like that might be a better job for

[Speaker 2] (3:23:46 - 3:23:47)
Somebody else,

[Speaker 7] (3:23:47 - 3:23:47)
somebody else.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:47 - 3:23:47)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:48 - 3:23:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (3:23:48 - 3:23:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:48 - 3:23:52)
In case you know there's other things for you to do probably.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:53 - 3:23:56)
So that's just replacing the signs for King's Beach Terrace? Is that what number three is?

[Speaker 1] (3:23:57 - 3:24:00)
Yes, number three, King's Beach Terrace. A couple of the residents have

[Speaker 1] (3:24:01 - 3:24:02)
brought it to us as well.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:02 - 3:24:29)
We had worked through social media to put out a information request about people in areas to if you're noticing your traffic signs your street signs being washed out hard to read notify us notify see click fix notify DPW so this was a result of that it came to my desk so I met with some of the people in the neighborhood again I was able to speak with mr. Cresta about it

[Speaker 1] (3:24:29 - 3:24:34)
brought him up to speed on helping replace some of these signs and

[Speaker 1] (3:24:35 - 3:24:38)
Put it on the memo because I figured we'd bring it forward because it was a topic for discussion.

[Speaker 3] (3:24:38 - 3:24:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:38 - 3:24:41)
I signed I wa I was talking about was

[Speaker 1] (3:24:41 - 3:24:42)
President Parking that's

[Speaker 5] (3:24:42 - 3:24:42)
Yeah?

[Speaker 1] (3:24:42 - 3:24:44)
that's right. But I'll make the whole audit now.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:44 - 3:24:44)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (3:24:44 - 3:24:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:44 - 3:24:44)
thank you.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:44 - 3:24:51)
So motion to motion to approve uh the recommendation for replacing uh parking signs on King's Beach Terrace.

[Speaker 3] (3:24:51 - 3:24:52)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (3:24:52 - 3:24:52)
We have to

[Speaker 7] (3:24:52 - 3:24:52)
I don't

[Speaker 2] (3:24:52 - 3:24:52)
vote.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:52 - 3:24:53)
I don't think

[Speaker 7] (3:24:53 - 3:24:53)
so I we don't

[Speaker 5] (3:24:53 - 3:24:53)
need to

[Speaker 7] (3:24:53 - 3:24:53)
think vote we need to

[Speaker 5] (3:24:53 - 3:24:54)
you

[Speaker 7] (3:24:54 - 3:24:54)
vote for

[Speaker 5] (3:24:54 - 3:24:54)
need to

[Speaker 7] (3:24:54 - 3:24:54)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:24:54 - 3:24:54)
vote

[Speaker 7] (3:24:54 - 3:24:57)
mean we can but I don't think we need to vote for signs or

[Speaker 5] (3:24:57 - 3:24:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:24:57 - 3:25:02)
additions of signs. I don't even think we need to vote for the addition of a handicap parking.

[Speaker 3] (3:25:02 - 3:25:02)
Main space.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:02 - 3:25:04)
We already did last meeting.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:04 - 3:25:12)
That was discussed at our last meeting with the Westcott. We're a handicapped space, two spaces on Barrell Street.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:12 - 3:25:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:12 - 3:25:14)
One would be by Doherty Circle.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:14 - 3:25:18)
The second one would be at the crosswalk.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:18 - 3:25:23)
in front of the other handicap spot at the library.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:23 - 3:25:24)
At the library.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:24 - 3:25:25)
Yeah, we already,

[Speaker 7] (3:25:25 - 3:25:25)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:25:25 - 3:25:26)
that's already done. We already voted

[Speaker 7] (3:25:26 - 3:25:27)
that's great.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:27 - 3:25:27)
on that.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:27 - 3:25:27)
So,

[Speaker 5] (3:25:27 - 3:25:28)
Great.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:28 - 3:25:28)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:28 - 3:25:28)
We already went along.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:28 - 3:25:29)
I'll move

[Speaker 5] (3:25:29 - 3:25:29)
Moving

[Speaker 2] (3:25:29 - 3:25:29)
to the next

[Speaker 5] (3:25:29 - 3:25:29)
along.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:29 - 3:25:30)
spot, should.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:30 - 3:25:34)
So I think we are all set to move to Fisherman's Beach,

[Speaker 7] (3:25:34 - 3:25:34)
if that's okay with you.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:34 - 3:25:38)
I did have one other. I'm not sure if we start the Norfolk Ave. Is

[Speaker 5] (3:25:38 - 3:25:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:39 - 3:25:40)
that part of the ability

[Speaker 7] (3:25:40 - 3:25:40)
Yep, we we

[Speaker 1] (3:25:40 - 3:25:41)
to replace signs that?

[Speaker 7] (3:25:41 - 3:25:44)
do not need to vote to do that and we are in support if that's.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:44 - 3:25:46)
if that's the recommendation you make.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:46 - 3:25:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:47 - 3:25:48)
Excellent.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:48 - 3:25:48)
That is wonderful,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:48 - 3:25:49)
Fisherman's Beach.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:49 - 3:25:49)
thank you.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:49 - 3:25:50)
Fisherman's Beach.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:50 - 3:26:05)
Yes, members of the harbor ma members of the police department, myself with Lieutenant Waters, the Harbor Master were contacted by some of the Harbor Advisory Committee to discuss options for parking at the fisherman's beach lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:06 - 3:26:09)
It was brought to our attention about the the parking lot itself.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:10 - 3:26:14)
um being overrun to use other people's words.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:14 - 3:26:29)
Um we did see some agreement in that and did meet with them multiple times to talk about mitigating some of this. We did come up with a handful of solutions um they are as follows um to add recreational parking signs inside the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:30 - 3:26:31)
Inside the parking lot only.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:32 - 3:26:36)
Um a more robust do not enter sign as you're exiting.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:36 - 3:26:42)
I can attest to it as well that there has been a significant amount of people who think that that is a u

[Speaker 7] (3:26:42 - 3:26:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:42 - 3:27:03)
-lot, a u-shaped lot that they can enter and exit on both sides just for the mere fact that we want to create consistency and safety to allow it. On occasion there are boat owners who for the ease of using their trailer to back into the ramp

[Speaker 1] (3:27:04 - 3:27:17)
It does make it easier coming in, in the reverse direction so that they can pull out to the front and then back down the ramp as opposed to making a U-turn in the square of Humphrey and Puritan.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:17 - 3:27:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:18 - 3:27:26)
That is all worked out with members of the SYC, having seen it multiple times. They're very cautious.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:26 - 3:27:31)
They utilize safety as a priority, so I don't see it being an issue otherwise.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:31 - 3:27:52)
Just wanted to have that point notifi uh point noticed. Um also we would need it's been a it's been asked and requested by the Harbormaster to have a specific Harbormaster spot. Dedicated spot right to the ramp, um so that we can gain immediate access in the event of an emergency upon arrival.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:54 - 3:28:01)
Employee passes will be given by the SYC with the approval of the harbormaster and police department.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:01 - 3:28:07)
They do use that spot. There are the launch drivers that come in. So much like a visitor parking pass,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:07 - 3:28:10)
your launch driver shows up, he needs a place to park.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:11 - 3:28:15)
He can park in the lot for the day while he goes to work, turns the pass in,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:15 - 3:28:17)
and then off they go.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:19 - 3:28:19)
Commercial.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:19 - 3:28:28)
Commercial fishermen registered in Swampscott shall receive a pass to use the lot while they're working hours.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:30 - 3:28:40)
Any registered boat owner with a mooring in Swampscott Harbor will be able to use their boat registration to get a pass for the lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:43 - 3:28:55)
If there is a function with the SYC, they will make the appropriate notifications to the police department in a timely manner in advancement so that when there is a group of guests that are coming in,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:55 - 3:29:02)
they know that they'll be able to use the lot and the other street, the other parking spaces as needed to accommodate any other guests.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:03 - 3:29:08)
It also is brought up that there will be a liaison assigned with the SYC.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:09 - 3:29:35)
That will be monitored, monitoring all the trailers that are stickered, registered and owned by the mooring owners that use the Phillips Park lot so that we will have a consistent communication on the trailers that are allowed in the lot and those that aren't. Any that aren't will then be working with myself and DPW to make contact and removal if necessary.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:37 - 3:29:39)
Those are empty trailers, not boat storage.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:39 - 3:29:43)
Those are the ones during the summer season that they drop the boat in,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:43 - 3:29:44)
The boat's storage.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:44 - 3:29:46)
they leave it, it's not a it's not a permanent storage,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:46 - 3:29:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:47 - 3:29:48)
it's just while the boats are in the water.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:49 - 3:30:00)
You have to be out of there by, I believe, about October fifteenth, we say. And I had the message brought up there for the past week saying, illegally stored trailers will be towed at the owner's expense.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:00 - 3:30:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:01 - 3:30:02)
Has people taken advantage

[Speaker 6] (3:30:02 - 3:30:03)
Does that of happen? I mean, have we

[Speaker 2] (3:30:03 - 3:30:04)
Have we it? towed anything?

[Speaker 6] (3:30:04 - 3:30:04)
towed?

[Speaker 4] (3:30:04 - 3:30:05)
Uh was haven't towed anything.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:05 - 3:30:06)
Haven't towed anything.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:06 - 3:30:08)
And has has uh

[Speaker 4] (3:30:08 - 3:30:09)
And there's only a handful of trailers there.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:09 - 3:30:12)
Okay. Has the S_ S_Y_C_

[Speaker 2] (3:30:12 - 3:30:13)
Then

[Speaker 4] (3:30:13 - 3:30:13)
The liaison?

[Speaker 2] (3:30:13 - 3:30:18)
also the liaison also been notified that we're gonna do that that way if they know any of the trailers in the lot.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:18 - 3:30:19)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:19 - 3:30:22)
They were included in in these multiple meetings, so

[Speaker 2] (3:30:22 - 3:30:22)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:22 - 3:30:24)
they are every everything that's being presented

[Speaker 1] (3:30:25 - 3:30:26)
has been discussed

[Speaker 2] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
That

[Speaker 1] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
with

[Speaker 2] (3:30:26 - 3:30:27)
is great.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:27 - 3:30:31)
them. But this is this is again I'm just a conduit to bring this forward

[Speaker 2] (3:30:31 - 3:30:31)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:31 - 3:30:34)
As well as Harbor Waterfront, they have unanimously voted all of this.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:34 - 3:30:36)
Harbor Waterfront Advisory

[Speaker 4] (3:30:36 - 3:30:38)
And the liaison is on the Harbor Waterfront, so Officer

[Speaker 6] (3:30:38 - 3:30:39)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:30:39 - 3:30:39)
Reed, who's

[Speaker 6] (3:30:39 - 3:30:39)
I envision

[Speaker 4] (3:30:39 - 3:30:39)
responsible.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:39 - 3:30:40)
a liaison.

[Speaker 7] (3:30:40 - 3:30:41)
A few questions.

[Speaker 7] (3:30:42 - 3:30:46)
So, you know, with making this a recreation parking lot,

[Speaker 7] (3:30:47 - 3:30:53)
how is this going to work with social members at the SYC since we do have members that are from Marblehead, from Lynn,

[Speaker 7] (3:30:53 - 3:30:53)
from Salem?

[Speaker 7] (3:30:53 - 3:30:58)
them. Um how is it gonna impact parking for local businesses?

[Speaker 6] (3:30:58 - 3:30:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (3:30:58 - 3:31:12)
Um because I know that uh I know that that is used certainly for Nordhaven and for uh and for other local businesses in the area and one of the issues that, you know, that that I've noticed over the years has really just been overnight parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:12 - 3:31:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:13 - 3:31:19)
Uh that's not from having a couple uh a couple pops at a at a restaurant leaving your car, it's really the long term

[Speaker 2] (3:31:19 - 3:31:19)
Habitual,

[Speaker 7] (3:31:19 - 3:31:20)
parking.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:20 - 3:31:20)
correct.

[Speaker 4] (3:31:20 - 3:31:20)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:20 - 3:31:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:20 - 3:31:23)
And and even to add that to commercial

[Speaker 2] (3:31:24 - 3:31:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:24 - 3:31:25)
parking as well, it's

[Speaker 6] (3:31:25 - 3:31:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:25 - 3:31:26)
become an advertisement lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:27 - 3:31:28)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (3:31:28 - 3:31:28)
So did

[Speaker 1] (3:31:28 - 3:31:40)
we from my understanding to ans to answer your question, start first with the social members. Um the S_Y_C_ will along with their employee passes um they'll ha they will also have visitor passes.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:41 - 3:31:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:41 - 3:31:46)
Now mind you we're not there's no infringement upon the parking on Humphrey Street itself.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:47 - 3:31:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:47 - 3:31:55)
It has also been brought to our attention that this is the only beach that does not have restricted access for Swampscott residents.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:55 - 3:31:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:57 - 3:32:04)
What has been presented has been a lot of people would try to go up show up to use it and it's blanketed with

[Speaker 1] (3:32:04 - 3:32:26)
unknown vehicles so if there's a designated area that is I think there's 27 or 30 spots in that lot that have wrecked parking someone who has a wrecked sticker that feels like using Fisherman's Beach for the day knows that they can come down to Fisherman's Beach and use that beach just like they would for Phillips and Preston and Eisman's at the Phillips Park lot

[Speaker 1] (3:32:29 - 3:32:35)
The kin other considerations and things that we also did to mitigate to consider the commercial businesses, Newer Haven,

[Speaker 1] (3:32:35 - 3:32:44)
um and I I know quite a people will park in this area and walk down. All of the the parking on Humphrey Street will remain the same.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:44 - 3:32:44)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:44 - 3:32:51)
So by working on keeping it rec parking for the beaches that

[Speaker 1] (3:32:52 - 3:33:14)
would stay within that signage again there can be any type of amendment where if you're looking to have an hourly sign for it that wreck start wreck sticker parking from the fishermen show up at 4 a.m. ultimately that's what they're kind of looking for they want to be protected they know that they got to get in there they got to drop their their

[Speaker 1] (3:33:15 - 3:33:15)
Trucks

[Speaker 6] (3:33:15 - 3:33:15)
Beep.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:15 - 3:33:30)
they move tr move traps etc they're they're they're they are there early. Um so to help prevent some of that overnight parking or to know who is actually parking there, we can track this through the rec stickers. Um

[Speaker 1] (3:33:31 - 3:33:35)
it gives them an opportunity. We didn't want to push out any further

[Speaker 1] (3:33:36 - 3:33:43)
on some suggestions we had given the the guys to we got to consider the businesses, we don't want to impact them.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:44 - 3:33:48)
We know that there's street parking that's ours, we want to help out everybody.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:48 - 3:34:04)
We also need to focus on this beach parking and help give the access to the people that are paying their their mooring fees and their dues and their their parts of the town through their their boating aspect, giving them an opportunity to come in and use that space as well.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:05 - 3:34:15)
So was there, I'm sure there was, um consideration made to just limiting it to no commercial parking, no overnight parking rather than changing it to recreational parking?

[Speaker 1] (3:34:15 - 3:34:19)
Well with the recreational sticker you're only allowed to have a residential

[Speaker 1] (3:34:20 - 3:34:28)
If I think I'm correct on this, I'm not sure, I don't think commercial vehicles can get a recreational sticker or a resident sticker.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:28 - 3:34:36)
No, no, I understand. But instead of going so far as to make it recreational and then limit it to only residents or any other car route we make.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:36 - 3:34:43)
Was there a consideration to go a little less far and just say, okay, the issue is commercial vehicles,

[Speaker 2] (3:34:43 - 3:34:43)
right?

[Speaker 2] (3:34:43 - 3:34:45)
So commercial vehicles parking there too long.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:45 - 3:34:52)
So we would just say no commercial parking and then no overnight parking in the lot at all.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:52 - 3:34:57)
And then that would alleviate the issue of the 4 a.m. fishermen's coming in and not having parking.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:58 - 3:35:01)
Maybe I might suggest a...

[Speaker 2] (3:35:02 - 3:35:24)
a phased approach and see if doing that helps the issues and then if it doesn't then we could go all the way to rec only and see but it just feels like that's I understand what you're trying to accomplish and this will accomplish it but is there a way we can accomplish it without removing public access to the beach for non-residents

[Speaker 4] (3:35:24 - 3:35:25)
Yeah, I'm tracking with you, Katie.

[Speaker 4] (3:35:26 - 3:35:27)
I guess it just goes back to like

[Speaker 4] (3:35:28 - 3:35:41)
Wh what level of kind of uh assessment of where exactly does the problem surface uh you know I mean we can't have I can't imagine at four a.m. people are pulling in there and the whole lot is full.

[Speaker 4] (3:35:41 - 3:35:52)
Um, right, I mean I know there's vehicles that are there overnight, the long-term, a few of them, but I you know I'm down there at seven A_M_ a lot, and, you know, there's a plenty of space.

[Speaker 1] (3:35:52 - 3:35:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:35:53 - 3:35:57)
Um so I'm just trying to figure out like when really is the issue we're trying to solve.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:57 - 3:35:59)
It was full at ten o'clock this morning.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:59 - 3:35:59)
The feedback

[Speaker 4] (3:35:59 - 3:36:00)
Uh,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:00 - 3:36:00)
I every

[Speaker 6] (3:36:00 - 3:36:00)
I didn't get

[Speaker 2] (3:36:00 - 3:36:00)
every

[Speaker 6] (3:36:00 - 3:36:01)
any response.

[Speaker 9] (3:36:01 - 3:36:02)
Yeah, it was beautiful today, yeah, at ten

[Speaker 6] (3:36:02 - 3:36:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:36:02 - 3:36:03)
o'clock, right?

[Speaker 1] (3:36:03 - 3:36:06)
That and that's this is the beautiful days is when it's going to be full.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:36:06 - 3:36:11)
But then okay, but that's so we're really talking about a a minish day beach day.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:11 - 3:36:11)
Not necessarily.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:11 - 3:36:12)
But that's

[Speaker 6] (3:36:12 - 3:36:12)
I think maybe

[Speaker 1] (3:36:12 - 3:36:17)
just one exam. I'm just I'm just specifying one example of the 4 a.m. stop for the fishermen.

[Speaker 9] (3:36:17 - 3:36:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:17 - 3:36:26)
They do come and go. And I'm not a commercial fisherman. I'm not going to try to put out their timeline of events and what their daily operations are like.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:26 - 3:36:54)
like um but i i have had calls about what can you guys do about the parking and we can't do anything and again we wanted to listen to all of their concerns to be able to bring things forward because i i do think they're valid um i also appreciate about not restricting and and not creating so much of it to where we want to invite public

[Speaker 1] (3:36:55 - 3:37:02)
the out-of-towners if you want to call it that, or whomever, to come to the beach. I I completely understand with that.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:03 - 3:37:08)
In the same breath, then why are we resur why do we have rec parking at all of the other beaches?

[Speaker 6] (3:37:08 - 3:37:19)
Right. The other piece too is I've been getting feedback that people are multiple cars are meeting in that parking lot. People are leaving their cars and getting into one car and actually commuting.

[Speaker 6] (3:37:20 - 3:37:22)
Like this is a like spot

[Speaker 2] (3:37:22 - 3:37:22)
Like

[Speaker 6] (3:37:22 - 3:37:22)
where

[Speaker 2] (3:37:22 - 3:37:22)
meet

[Speaker 6] (3:37:22 - 3:37:22)
people

[Speaker 2] (3:37:22 - 3:37:22)
or not.

[Speaker 6] (3:37:22 - 3:37:27)
are carpooling. You're leaving their cars there. They're getting into one car and they're driving it to work

[Speaker 4] (3:37:28 - 3:37:28)
And

[Speaker 1] (3:37:28 - 3:37:30)
It's almost like a ride share system.

[Speaker 6] (3:37:30 - 3:37:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:30 - 3:37:31)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:31 - 3:37:31)
That's interesting.

[Speaker 6] (3:37:31 - 3:37:34)
And you know, but and I think to Kevin's point

[Speaker 6] (3:37:35 - 3:37:53)
We do have these requirements at every other beach. Why would we not have it at Fisherman's? I mean, this is really well, we are a beach town and this is why our residents pay what they pay to live here. Why wouldn't we give them that first preference type of situation of fishermen like we would, you know, Ismans or any other where we require that.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:54 - 3:38:01)
I agree with you, but just considering the proximity it is to the Humphrey Street area and to the fish house and to other areas that require

[Speaker 2] (3:38:01 - 3:38:04)
that require more public parking and the lack of parking in that area,

[Speaker 6] (3:38:04 - 3:38:04)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (3:38:04 - 3:38:05)
not

[Speaker 6] (3:38:05 - 3:38:05)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:38:05 - 3:38:08)
just a residential area that has a beach.

[Speaker 2] (3:38:09 - 3:38:11)
That I understand,

[Speaker 2] (3:38:11 - 3:38:13)
but I'm just trying to see if

[Speaker 1] (3:38:36 - 3:38:46)
That would move, if we're, if we have space for commuters, move them over and then that allows the fishermen closer access to the water which is what they need in their lockers and things like that.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:46 - 3:38:57)
So I'm just trying to think creatively on how we could solve the problem without going all the way to this lot is no longer public because I'm thinking about sometimes I park there and walk to dockside, sometimes I park there and walk the beach,

[Speaker 1] (3:38:57 - 3:39:03)
sometimes I park there and now I have a rec sticker so I can do that but not everybody does and not everybody

[Speaker 1] (3:39:03 - 3:39:06)
is using that lot for beach purpose but it's still enjoying

[Speaker 1] (3:39:07 - 3:39:16)
Not sitting on the beach, but beach be beach access like walking all the way down to Red Rock and back and you know So I just don't want to limit access.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:16 - 3:39:25)
I want people to be able to enjoy the open spaces that we have not just Swamscott residents, but other residents too who come in and spend money here and spend time here

[Speaker 1] (3:39:25 - 3:39:26)
so

[Speaker 2] (3:39:26 - 3:39:26)
I see

[Speaker 3] (3:39:26 - 3:39:26)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:39:26 - 3:39:27)
that, but

[Speaker 3] (3:39:27 - 3:39:27)
that it might,

[Speaker 2] (3:39:27 - 3:39:28)
I'm small partial to Swampscott residents,

[Speaker 3] (3:39:28 - 3:39:29)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
to be quite

[Speaker 3] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
think

[Speaker 2] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
honest.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:29 - 3:39:34)
that it might be important to bring the Harbor Advisory Committee and the fishermen in because

[Speaker 2] (3:39:34 - 3:39:35)
Yeah, they offered to come.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:35 - 3:39:35)
for it to come

[Speaker 3] (3:39:35 - 3:39:45)
I have heard I've also heard and I can't be a hundred percent committed to this fact that they have a deeded right to all of that land plus

[Speaker 2] (3:39:45 - 3:39:48)
They have a deeded right to all that land plus the land

[Speaker 3] (3:39:48 - 3:39:48)
basically

[Speaker 2] (3:39:48 - 3:39:49)
side

[Speaker 3] (3:39:49 - 3:39:49)
to dr.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:49 - 3:39:50)
The

[Speaker 3] (3:39:50 - 3:39:50)
Plock's

[Speaker 2] (3:39:50 - 3:39:50)
deed

[Speaker 3] (3:39:50 - 3:39:51)
office

[Speaker 2] (3:39:51 - 3:39:59)
the deed is it's actually called a reservation and the deed says it's for boaters bathers and fishermen

[Speaker 2] (3:39:59 - 3:40:02)
That's what it says boys boys and fishermen so

[Speaker 4] (3:40:03 - 3:40:04)
Who has that deed, sir?

[Speaker 5] (3:40:05 - 3:40:05)
The fisherman.

[Speaker 1] (3:40:05 - 3:40:05)
Oh, it's an it

[Speaker 5] (3:40:05 - 3:40:07)
It's I have a copy of that

[Speaker 6] (3:40:07 - 3:40:07)
too. No no, but like

[Speaker 1] (3:40:07 - 3:40:09)
but who who is it entrusted to?

[Speaker 3] (3:40:09 - 3:40:10)
The fisherman.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:10 - 3:40:11)
The fisherman.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:11 - 3:40:11)
The

[Speaker 1] (3:40:11 - 3:40:11)
So it's the just the

[Speaker 3] (3:40:11 - 3:40:11)
fisherman.

[Speaker 1] (3:40:11 - 3:40:12)
deed to the fisherman

[Speaker 2] (3:40:12 - 3:40:13)
The fisherman,

[Speaker 1] (3:40:13 - 3:40:13)
of Swampscott.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:13 - 3:40:17)
And they it's from I I have very

[Speaker 2] (3:40:18 - 3:40:19)
I think it's

[Speaker 3] (3:40:19 - 3:40:26)
intrinsic background on it, but from what I understand, and one of the things that they have professed was that they could take that lot.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:27 - 3:40:31)
Because at one point that's where they used to store all of their fishing gear.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:31 - 3:40:34)
All of their lobster traps were there.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:34 - 3:40:35)
They made an agreement.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:36 - 3:40:40)
I don't know when, to not keep their lot, their traps there.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:40 - 3:40:43)
They would store them over at the Phillips Park lot.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:44 - 3:40:50)
No, they would the agreement the agreement was that they would take their traps and put them into the building, into the fish house.

[Speaker 1] (3:40:50 - 3:40:51)
Right, it's got something to do with the

[Speaker 3] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51)
fish house.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:51 - 3:40:55)
nonetheless the traps were agreed to not be left in the lot so that people could use the lot.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:55 - 3:41:01)
They're just looking to get requirements and restrictions to make sure that they can come and go. Um

[Speaker 3] (3:41:02 - 3:41:08)
I think, I don't know if the hours would be beneficial because their hours are based on the title change.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:08 - 3:41:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:09 - 3:41:10)
I appreciate

[Speaker 1] (3:41:10 - 3:41:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:11 - 3:41:15)
your open-mindedness, your brainstorming on it.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:15 - 3:41:17)
So I do,

[Speaker 3] (3:41:17 - 3:41:18)
just to carry it forward,

[Speaker 3] (3:41:18 - 3:41:24)
I think that they should probably be in the room to get a little bit more in depth with what is here.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:25 - 3:41:30)
I would not, I think it would be, I would be remiss if I kept speaking to try to advocate for something that.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:31 - 3:41:32)
They were.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:32 - 3:41:33)
Well, thank you

[Speaker 2] (3:41:33 - 3:41:33)
And

[Speaker 1] (3:41:33 - 3:41:33)
for

[Speaker 2] (3:41:33 - 3:41:44)
in in fairness too it wasn't just the fishermen right so there were nine members of Harbor Waterfront and they all felt the same way um so I think it I think it's a bigger thing than just the fishermen piece but

[Speaker 1] (3:41:44 - 3:41:48)
Yeah, and I just want to express this happens a lot when things get brought to us, right?

[Speaker 2] (3:41:48 - 3:41:48)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:41:48 - 3:41:53)
They get brought to us in a certain lens and then we try to we're not I'm not nobody's trying to pick it apart,

[Speaker 1] (3:41:53 - 3:41:53)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:41:53 - 3:41:57)
We're all just trying to say like was this thought about was this thought about can we get to a

[Speaker 1] (3:41:57 - 3:41:57)
but

[Speaker 2] (3:41:57 - 3:41:57)
We don't

[Speaker 1] (3:41:57 - 3:41:57)
a

[Speaker 2] (3:41:57 - 3:41:57)
do diligence.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:57 - 3:42:10)
better place or a different place without going this so happy to have them here for the conversation in the next meeting and then we can make a recommendation on what happens in that lot

[Speaker 2] (3:42:10 - 3:42:20)
You know I think one thing that is really really critical is like for me the priority will always be a resident residence and you know asking for

[Speaker 2] (3:42:21 - 3:42:29)
First I'd like to have a definition of what is a commercial fisherman. So does that mean that, you know, I can go and get a commercial license tomorrow and

[Speaker 3] (3:42:29 - 3:42:30)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:42:30 - 3:42:30)
now

[Speaker 3] (3:42:30 - 3:42:30)
do

[Speaker 2] (3:42:30 - 3:42:30)
I'm a

[Speaker 3] (3:42:30 - 3:42:39)
know, I do have some knowledge just from that conversation with that and what they and the requirements that's necessary for them about paying taxes, being able to pull a certain amount of catch,

[Speaker 2] (3:42:39 - 3:42:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:39 - 3:42:46)
returning that to a sale for sale, having commercial receipts from a registered buyer.

[Speaker 2] (3:42:46 - 3:42:47)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:47 - 3:42:49)
So there are a lot of

[Speaker 3] (3:42:49 - 3:42:51)
um checks and balances

[Speaker 2] (3:42:51 - 3:42:51)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:51 - 3:42:53)
for them. Um but

[Speaker 2] (3:42:53 - 3:43:03)
Right. So and then the other question is um Swampscott Yacht Club employees. Swampscott Yacht Club is a private is a private club that um I just

[Speaker 2] (3:43:04 - 3:43:15)
I would not be in favor of you know of taking away parking for Swampscott resident for a Swampscott Yacht Club employee um.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:16 - 3:43:34)
Well the the mindset behind that is that they often have events there where they have maybe DJs, they have bartenders, they have catering staff. If those people can't get in to actually park somewhere and do whatever they're doing inside the yacht club, then that like is a detriment to them.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:35 - 3:43:36)
They also hold,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:36 - 3:43:36)
I'm not

[Speaker 1] (3:43:36 - 3:43:37)
use fundraisers,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:37 - 3:43:37)
yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:43:37 - 3:43:38)
they hold

[Speaker 2] (3:43:38 - 3:43:39)
yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:43:39 - 3:43:39)
uh

[Speaker 2] (3:43:39 - 3:43:39)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:39 - 3:43:40)
you know resid

[Speaker 3] (3:43:40 - 3:43:40)
Sip and shop.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:40 - 3:43:44)
Residence first communion. The sip and shop from Hadley was held there.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:44 - 3:43:44)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:43:44 - 3:43:44)
There's

[Speaker 2] (3:43:44 - 3:43:44)
that's

[Speaker 1] (3:43:44 - 3:43:44)
a lot

[Speaker 2] (3:43:44 - 3:43:44)
out of

[Speaker 1] (3:43:44 - 3:43:44)
of goods,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:44 - 3:43:45)
weddings,

[Speaker 1] (3:43:45 - 3:43:50)
there's a lot of stuff that they waive fees for for non-profits, so we can have a more robust conversation

[Speaker 2] (3:43:50 - 3:43:50)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:50 - 3:43:52)
about it. But right now they

[Speaker 2] (3:43:52 - 3:43:53)
I think it was one,

[Speaker 1] (3:43:53 - 3:43:53)
park

[Speaker 2] (3:43:53 - 3:43:53)
they were

[Speaker 1] (3:43:53 - 3:43:53)
in that

[Speaker 2] (3:43:53 - 3:43:53)
doing it

[Speaker 1] (3:43:53 - 3:43:54)
whole,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:54 - 3:43:54)
for like

[Speaker 1] (3:43:54 - 3:43:54)
they could

[Speaker 2] (3:43:54 - 3:43:54)
one

[Speaker 1] (3:43:54 - 3:43:56)
fill that whole lot if they wanted because it's open.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:56 - 3:43:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:56 - 3:44:02)
So it's it's only because they're agreeing to the restriction that they're then saying or that they're on

[Speaker 1] (3:44:02 - 3:44:04)
on board with the restriction that they're saying

[Speaker 2] (3:44:04 - 3:44:04)
And it's

[Speaker 1] (3:44:04 - 3:44:05)
okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:05 - 3:44:05)
look

[Speaker 1] (3:44:05 - 3:44:05)
but it like could we one have

[Speaker 2] (3:44:05 - 3:44:16)
spot. I mean they're not looking for like five spots or anything like that. I think it was up one placard or, you know, to use as a temporary thing if they have a vendor coming in to, you know,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:16 - 3:44:19)
so that they can access the facility.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:19 - 3:44:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:20 - 3:44:21)
But I will say,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:23 - 3:44:24)
I think the issue is during the day.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:24 - 3:44:25)
the do not enter sign

[Speaker 1] (3:44:26 - 3:44:26)
Yeah, that

[Speaker 4] (3:44:26 - 3:44:27)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:44:27 - 3:44:27)
doesn't

[Speaker 4] (3:44:27 - 3:44:29)
is yeah, let's just do that and

[Speaker 2] (3:44:29 - 3:44:30)
No, I think you then did you put something up there?

[Speaker 3] (3:44:31 - 3:44:32)
There's a s there's a small there

[Speaker 2] (3:44:32 - 3:44:32)
There's

[Speaker 3] (3:44:32 - 3:44:32)
is a

[Speaker 2] (3:44:32 - 3:44:32)
a brand

[Speaker 3] (3:44:32 - 3:44:33)
sign

[Speaker 2] (3:44:33 - 3:44:33)
new

[Speaker 3] (3:44:33 - 3:44:33)
there

[Speaker 2] (3:44:33 - 3:44:33)
one up there.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:33 - 3:44:35)
it's in we we have a

[Speaker 7] (3:44:35 - 3:44:36)
Help.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:36 - 3:44:38)
It's an a it's in a bucket a cemented bucket.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:38 - 3:44:38)
It sounds

[Speaker 3] (3:44:38 - 3:44:38)
And I

[Speaker 2] (3:44:38 - 3:44:39)
like hell here.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:39 - 3:44:39)
think we need

[Speaker 2] (3:44:39 - 3:44:39)
Looks

[Speaker 3] (3:44:39 - 3:44:40)
something

[Speaker 2] (3:44:40 - 3:44:40)
like an illusion.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:40 - 3:44:42)
more robust,

[Speaker 4] (3:44:42 - 3:44:42)
Robust,

[Speaker 1] (3:44:42 - 3:44:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:42 - 3:44:42)
as you say.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:42 - 3:44:43)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:44:43 - 3:44:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:43 - 3:44:43)
I've

[Speaker 2] (3:44:43 - 3:44:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:43 - 3:44:43)
seen

[Speaker 2] (3:44:43 - 3:44:44)
Yeah. Oh yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:44 - 3:44:44)
I agree.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:44 - 3:44:44)
several

[Speaker 2] (3:44:44 - 3:44:44)
Oh oh.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:44 - 3:44:48)
several I've seen personally several almost accidents in

[Speaker 2] (3:44:48 - 3:44:48)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:48 - 3:44:48)
It was

[Speaker 1] (3:44:48 - 3:44:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:48 - 3:44:50)
just not a great spot for a

[Speaker 2] (3:44:50 - 3:44:50)
Yeah, absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:50 - 3:44:53)
And people will fill that lot all the way to that very

[Speaker 4] (3:44:53 - 3:44:53)
Very

[Speaker 1] (3:44:53 - 3:44:54)
side.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:54 - 3:44:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:54 - 3:44:54)
busy.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:54 - 3:44:56)
And then you come in and you don't necessarily

[Speaker 2] (3:44:56 - 3:44:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:56 - 3:44:57)
see somebody coming

[Speaker 2] (3:44:57 - 3:44:58)
You're in trouble.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:58 - 3:45:00)
and you're gonna have a collision there, so.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:00 - 3:45:04)
We used to be right on a post and that's been hit more times and that's why it's in the bucket.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:04 - 3:45:22)
So um please go forth and put signs up for Do Not Enter, help designate that in any way possible and we will invite um our liaison from the Harbor Waterfront and the S_Y_C_ and anybody else who'd like to join the conversation next.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:23 - 3:45:23)
Fisherman.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:24 - 3:45:26)
Fisher the commercial fishermen and send a

[Speaker 10] (3:45:26 - 3:45:28)
Excuse me for your brief.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:28 - 3:45:29)
Hey.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:29 - 3:45:30)
Sure, would you come to the mic though, because

[Speaker 1] (3:45:31 - 3:45:36)
I'm sure folks at home would like to hear your very brief commentary also. Thank you, I appreciate it.

[Speaker 3] (3:45:36 - 3:45:36)
Yeah, it's amazing.

[Speaker 11] (3:45:36 - 3:45:39)
So just from the perspective of the Harbor Waterfront Committee,

[Speaker 11] (3:45:39 - 3:45:41)
thank you for presenting that, Detective Waters.

[Speaker 11] (3:45:42 - 3:45:45)
Officer Waters came to our meeting last month and gave a great summary of that.

[Speaker 11] (3:45:46 - 3:45:54)
I was not involved with the conversations with Officer Reen, so this is just from my perspective as a Harbor Waterfront member. The reason why the Swampscott Yacht Club was...

[Speaker 11] (3:45:55 - 3:46:08)
uh had communicated from my understanding about the need for the parking placards for a couple of spots wasn't necessarily I mean the vendors and stuff that's all helpful, but predominantly was because of issues with lunch drivers not being able to access the launch in a timely manner.

[Speaker 11] (3:46:09 - 3:46:32)
That might seem like not a big issue for a lot of folks. If they're late, they gotta go find a new parking spot, they get down there, they're a little late, whatever. But a lot of the times, um an officer in can correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the times when you're down there, you'll see the first person, if there's something on the water, there's an issue, the first person that kind of gets out there or even gets the harbormaster out to his boat or um circulates the harbor for whatever might be going on, it's the launch driver.

[Speaker 11] (3:46:33 - 3:46:34)
So ensuring somebody's on the launch,

[Speaker 11] (3:46:34 - 3:46:43)
they're the person who's down there 24-7 or at least during launch hours, is able to access the boat and kind of be there. Because there's always going to be the first set of eyes on the water. This happened.

[Speaker 11] (3:46:44 - 3:47:09)
On Wednesday of last week where somebody called the police department saying they thought they saw a body fall off a boat and I think the whole cavalry showed up and it was great within like 90 seconds super helpful but the launch driver was the person out there who was able to get the harbour master at his boat he was circling the launch boat circling the harbour as well for about 90 minutes looking to evaluate the veracity of the claim so a lot of it was just to ensure that the launch driver who's doing this service to the club which is helpful but

[Speaker 11] (3:47:09 - 3:47:23)
It also does this kind of side benefit to the town is able to access the boat in a speedy and in quick manner so we're not waiting for somebody to you know find a parking spot in order to get out there. So just for the context that was kind of the reasoning and logic for that.

[Speaker 11] (3:47:24 - 3:47:35)
The other thing we had talked about at our meeting, at least the harbour waterfront meeting, was the rec parking from like eight to four p.m. or something in order to not interrupt some of the restaurant to rely on that parking lot for parking during the evening hours.

[Speaker 11] (3:47:35 - 3:47:42)
So that's a consideration that was discussed at our meeting and something that at least from my perspective, the committee was entirely open to. Just wanted to give you that context.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:42 - 3:47:43)
Great.

[Speaker 11] (3:47:43 - 3:47:46)
I may not be here at your next meeting, so I just wanted to provide the context for your

[Speaker 2] (3:47:46 - 3:47:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (3:47:46 - 3:47:48)
enlightenment over the next few weeks.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:48 - 3:47:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:48 - 3:47:49)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:49 - 3:47:50)
I appreciate it.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:52 - 3:47:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:53 - 3:47:57)
So we will circle back on this on the 18th.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:59 - 3:48:01)
On to the consent agenda.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:01 - 3:48:02)
Thank you, Kevin.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:02 - 3:48:02)
All set.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:02 - 3:48:03)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:03 - 3:48:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:03 - 3:48:05)
I really appreciate your patience.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:05 - 3:48:06)
You're leaving?

[Speaker 1] (3:48:06 - 3:48:07)
You don't want to stay?

[Speaker 1] (3:48:07 - 3:48:07)
You don't want to stay?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:09 - 3:48:10)
You don't want to ring the bell?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:11 - 3:48:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:14 - 3:48:20)
Okay, does anybody have any issues with the consent agenda or do I have a motion

[Speaker 2] (3:48:20 - 3:48:20)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:48:20 - 3:48:21)
on the just floor?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:21 - 3:48:32)
have one question on the um on the um I'm in favor of all these licenses, these permits. I just would like to know what uh people are being charged.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:34 - 3:48:38)
for all these liquor licenses. Do we have that do we have that breakdown?

[Speaker 1] (3:48:39 - 3:48:39)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:48:40 - 3:48:43)
So the are you are you talking about the actual license?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:43 - 3:48:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:45 - 3:48:48)
So for the actual li license, yes, they're charged for the license.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:48 - 3:48:49)
Do you know how much?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:49 - 3:48:51)
What's the fee? That's that's my question.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:53 - 3:48:54)
This is for

[Speaker 1] (3:48:54 - 3:48:55)
For a one-day liquor license?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:55 - 3:48:55)
What's the fee

[Speaker 1] (3:48:55 - 3:48:55)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:48:55 - 3:48:56)
or no?

[Speaker 4] (3:48:56 - 3:48:56)
it's fifty dollars.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:56 - 3:48:58)
And do you know what it is?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:58 - 3:48:59)
Fifty dollars.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:59 - 3:49:00)
I think it's fifty.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:00 - 3:49:01)
We charge fifty dollars for the fourth of July?

[Speaker 2] (3:49:02 - 3:49:03)
That's all we charge?

[Speaker 3] (3:49:04 - 3:49:06)
No, I think you're asking a different question.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:06 - 3:49:07)
I think you're asking,

[Speaker 3] (3:49:07 - 3:49:08)
or

[Speaker 2] (3:49:08 - 3:49:08)
It is.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:08 - 3:49:09)
so there's a charge for the license,

[Speaker 2] (3:49:10 - 3:49:10)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:10 - 3:49:15)
and some of them there's a charge to come to the event. Those are two separate things.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:15 - 3:49:16)
Okay, so it's two separate charges?

[Speaker 3] (3:49:16 - 3:49:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:17 - 3:49:21)
Okay, so the question I'm asking then is what is the charge for the event?

[Speaker 3] (3:49:21 - 3:49:24)
Okay, so for coming to the farmer's market,

[Speaker 3] (3:49:24 - 3:49:28)
it's $20 per time that you come.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:29 - 3:49:38)
And for 4th of July and the block party, it's 500 per beer garden.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:42 - 3:49:44)
Are there multiple vendors in the garden?

[Speaker 3] (3:49:44 - 3:49:48)
Yes, there's three at each one of those.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:48 - 3:49:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:48 - 3:49:50)
And as I've stated before,

[Speaker 3] (3:49:50 - 3:49:53)
the money that comes in for that,

[Speaker 3] (3:49:53 - 3:49:58)
I use that money to help pay for the band and the sound.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:01 - 3:50:03)
Um you'll see that there's more

[Speaker 3] (3:50:05 - 3:50:21)
there's more this year because we have more meaderies that wanna come to the farmer's market. They're not all coming on the same day. I spaced them all out so there wouldn't be three meaderies there. Um a meadery is someone who makes wine out of mead.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:22 - 3:50:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:23 - 3:50:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:23 - 3:50:30)
Um and then the a new regulation with the state this year was that um breweries can come to farmer's markets.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:31 - 3:50:39)
So I had um one brewery at the very beginning asked if he could come every single week. And that was um Granite Coast.

[Speaker 5] (3:50:40 - 3:50:40)
Well, why not?

[Speaker 3] (3:50:40 - 3:50:47)
Um I then heard from a couple of others, and I was like we're gonna have to see how this works out because we don't want

[Speaker 3] (3:50:47 - 3:50:55)
four four brewers there. And they're allowed to do samples. All of these at the farmer's markets are allowed to do samples and then they can sell

[Speaker 2] (3:50:55 - 3:50:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:56 - 3:51:00)
close containers. So they're not walking around with a beer while they're at the farmer's market.

[Speaker 6] (3:51:03 - 3:51:03)
Group shots.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:04 - 3:51:15)
And I assume since you brought it up, since you opened the store Daniel, I assume that they're required to provide the I_D_ for samples at the farmer's market.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:15 - 3:51:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:51:19 - 3:51:21)
I make a motion to approve

[Speaker 2] (3:51:21 - 3:51:26)
Right, my only question before you make a motion, but um the block party.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:26 - 3:51:29)
I think I asked you know this, I might ask you this.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:30 - 3:51:34)
Is there any way we would consider not having it on a Saturday?

[Speaker 7] (3:51:34 - 3:51:35)
The what?

[Speaker 2] (3:51:35 - 3:51:36)
A block party.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:36 - 3:51:36)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (3:51:36 - 3:51:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:51:36 - 3:51:36)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:51:36 - 3:51:36)
block party.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:36 - 3:51:41)
think we ha we did go down that road, 'cause when we first started this whole thing

[Speaker 2] (3:51:41 - 3:51:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:41 - 3:51:45)
um um Monsignor McLaughlin and I were not friends because

[Speaker 7] (3:51:45 - 3:51:46)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:46 - 3:51:46)
he was

[Speaker 2] (3:51:46 - 3:51:46)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:51:46 - 3:51:47)
so remember upset

[Speaker 2] (3:51:47 - 3:51:47)
that somewhat.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:47 - 3:51:47)
about

[Speaker 2] (3:51:47 - 3:51:48)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:48 - 3:51:52)
the whole thing. He he preferred a Saturday to a Sunday.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:52 - 3:51:56)
We worked out a system so that they could get in for four o'clock mass.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:56 - 3:51:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:56 - 3:51:59)
It also takes hours

[Speaker 3] (3:51:59 - 3:52:04)
like a lot of hours to clear the street from all the cars,

[Speaker 2] (3:52:04 - 3:52:04)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:52:04 - 3:52:10)
um and then afterwards move everybody out so they can open the roads again.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:10 - 3:52:10)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:52:10 - 3:52:13)
So doing it on a Sunday would really affect

[Speaker 9] (3:52:14 - 3:52:15)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:52:15 - 3:52:16)
the um the church.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:17 - 3:52:17)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:17 - 3:52:18)
And I get that. And I just,

[Speaker 6] (3:52:18 - 3:52:19)
I'm thirty minutes.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:19 - 3:52:19)
But what is the

[Speaker 1] (3:52:19 - 3:52:19)
The

[Speaker 2] (3:52:19 - 3:52:20)
finances

[Speaker 1] (3:52:20 - 3:52:20)
way that she's

[Speaker 2] (3:52:20 - 3:52:20)
last

[Speaker 1] (3:52:20 - 3:52:22)
set up and everything takes a year. lot longer.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:22 - 3:52:38)
We had some local businesses that weren't like food related that had a huge problem with it being on a Saturday. And I committed then to trying to not have them be affected and to try to get it on a Sunday. I completely understand Monsignor McLaughlin,

[Speaker 2] (3:52:38 - 3:52:41)
but there are local businesses there that

[Speaker 2] (3:52:41 - 3:52:48)
aren't part of that, right, they they you know there's Barbu Jo, there's you know barbershops, there's

[Speaker 1] (3:52:48 - 3:52:48)
Nail

[Speaker 2] (3:52:48 - 3:52:48)
clothing,

[Speaker 1] (3:52:48 - 3:52:49)
salons.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:49 - 3:52:50)
Nails Taylor, there's

[Speaker 1] (3:52:50 - 3:52:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:50 - 3:52:51)
all kinds of things that

[Speaker 2] (3:52:51 - 3:52:53)
Those people that's a Saturday for them. That's

[Speaker 3] (3:52:53 - 3:52:57)
I know, and I have heard from a couple of them in the first year we did it.

[Speaker 3] (3:52:58 - 3:53:01)
There were a few of them that just didn't understand what

[Speaker 2] (3:53:01 - 3:53:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:01 - 3:53:05)
was going on and they were against Volo was you know

[Speaker 2] (3:53:05 - 3:53:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:05 - 3:53:12)
I sell pies I don't sell slices. Well he made a killing and now he's like all in a couple of the other ones too.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:13 - 3:53:17)
And you know I tried to tell them just it's one day of the whole year.

[Speaker 2] (3:53:17 - 3:53:20)
It's one Saturday they only have

[Speaker 2] (3:53:20 - 3:53:28)
have about 50 of those Saturdays to make their business. So that one day, we all think it's one day, but that's a that's a big day out of their business.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:28 - 3:53:34)
But, but okay, say take the barbershop. So if I went to Joe the barber,

[Speaker 3] (3:53:34 - 3:53:36)
my husband goes to Joe the barber,

[Speaker 2] (3:53:36 - 3:53:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:36 - 3:53:37)
they have this conversation.

[Speaker 2] (3:53:37 - 3:53:38)
My son too.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:38 - 3:53:41)
If I can't go that Saturday,

[Speaker 3] (3:53:41 - 3:53:42)
am I just never going to go?

[Speaker 3] (3:53:43 - 3:53:45)
But I pick another day, have my hair cut.

[Speaker 10] (3:53:46 - 3:53:48)
But when you say you can't go,

[Speaker 10] (3:53:48 - 3:53:48)
you

[Speaker 3] (3:53:48 - 3:53:48)
Well, you can.

[Speaker 10] (3:53:48 - 3:53:55)
can still go in the morning, you can still go and park elsewhere and walk. I mean, I'm just saying, it's like you can't

[Speaker 3] (3:53:55 - 3:53:56)
And maybe

[Speaker 10] (3:53:56 - 3:53:56)
can't

[Speaker 3] (3:53:56 - 3:53:56)
what go we

[Speaker 10] (3:53:56 - 3:53:56)
and interpret

[Speaker 3] (3:53:56 - 3:54:02)
need to do is try to use the parking lot at.

[Speaker 1] (3:54:05 - 3:54:05)
Fisherman.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:05 - 3:54:06)
Hawthorne.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:06 - 3:54:12)
Hawthorne, thank you very much. I've Hawthorne more, 'cause we are using that for church parking at four o'clock.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:12 - 3:54:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:12 - 3:54:18)
Um we're also we let people know that's handicapped parking too, so they can pull in for handicapped parking there.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:18 - 3:54:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:18 - 3:54:26)
So maybe those couple of businesses um that are affected by that, we say okay, you can tell your customers

[Speaker 2] (3:54:26 - 3:54:27)
Yeah, that would be great.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:27 - 3:54:28)
that they can park in there.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:29 - 3:54:30)
Um

[Speaker 2] (3:54:30 - 3:54:30)
That's

[Speaker 1] (3:54:30 - 3:54:30)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:54:30 - 3:54:30)
certainly

[Speaker 1] (3:54:30 - 3:54:31)
that's

[Speaker 2] (3:54:31 - 3:54:31)
a helpful

[Speaker 1] (3:54:31 - 3:54:31)
it

[Speaker 10] (3:54:31 - 3:54:31)
And

[Speaker 2] (3:54:31 - 3:54:31)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:54:31 - 3:54:32)
compromise.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:32 - 3:54:34)
and where does it where does it end for the yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:34 - 3:54:34)
to the

[Speaker 6] (3:54:34 - 3:54:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (3:54:34 - 3:54:34)
Black Party.

[Speaker 6] (3:54:34 - 3:54:35)
I was gonna say,

[Speaker 10] (3:54:35 - 3:54:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:54:35 - 3:54:35)
we did.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:35 - 3:54:35)
so does uh it.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:35 - 3:54:37)
It goes pretty far up, I think,

[Speaker 6] (3:54:37 - 3:54:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:37 - 3:54:37)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:54:37 - 3:54:37)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:54:37 - 3:54:38)
it's it's Reddington.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:38 - 3:54:38)
Dockside.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:38 - 3:54:39)
Reddington to

[Speaker 2] (3:54:39 - 3:54:40)
To

[Speaker 3] (3:54:40 - 3:54:41)
yeah I'd say dockside.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:42 - 3:54:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:42 - 3:54:43)
Oh yeah, Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:43 - 3:54:43)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:43 - 3:54:44)
Doctor

[Speaker 2] (3:54:44 - 3:54:44)
Ingalls

[Speaker 3] (3:54:44 - 3:54:44)
Plotkin.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:44 - 3:54:45)
Terrace, yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
Okay, gotcha.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:45 - 3:54:52)
Right there. Um last year we did s but they close it off all the way down to um

[Speaker 10] (3:54:52 - 3:54:52)
Greenwood.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:53 - 3:54:53)
Greenwood?

[Speaker 1] (3:54:54 - 3:54:54)
Bayview?

[Speaker 1] (3:54:54 - 3:54:55)
The terrace there?

[Speaker 3] (3:54:55 - 3:54:56)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:56 - 3:54:57)
Greenwood terrace.

[Speaker 1] (3:54:57 - 3:54:57)
Bayview.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:57 - 3:54:58)
Greenwood Terrace, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:54:58 - 3:54:59)
Bayview. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:59 - 3:55:02)
So they close it off the the police close it off down that far 'cause you can't.

[Speaker 3] (3:55:03 - 3:55:09)
go any further. But they do allow people to come in to park, turn around and leave. So they

[Speaker 10] (3:55:09 - 3:55:09)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (3:55:09 - 3:55:09)
do allow

[Speaker 10] (3:55:09 - 3:55:09)
so if

[Speaker 3] (3:55:09 - 3:55:09)
that.

[Speaker 10] (3:55:09 - 3:55:10)
we have signage and

[Speaker 2] (3:55:10 - 3:55:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:55:10 - 3:55:12)
maps and we get that information out,

[Speaker 10] (3:55:12 - 3:55:17)
that can help to facilitate those local businesses that may not.

[Speaker 10] (3:55:17 - 3:55:21)
directly benefit but there's a so there'll be a path for them

[Speaker 3] (3:55:21 - 3:55:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (3:55:21 - 3:55:22)
to succeed

[Speaker 3] (3:55:22 - 3:55:22)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (3:55:22 - 3:55:22)
on

[Speaker 2] (3:55:22 - 3:55:23)
That's a good idea.

[Speaker 10] (3:55:23 - 3:55:25)
one of their 52 Saturdays

[Speaker 1] (3:55:25 - 3:55:25)
Could

[Speaker 10] (3:55:25 - 3:55:25)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:55:25 - 3:55:29)
we also see if there's we have a town golf cart or the

[Speaker 2] (3:55:29 - 3:55:29)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:55:29 - 3:55:29)
town

[Speaker 2] (3:55:29 - 3:55:29)
no,

[Speaker 1] (3:55:29 - 3:55:30)
buggy

[Speaker 2] (3:55:30 - 3:55:30)
the, you

[Speaker 1] (3:55:30 - 3:55:30)
or anything like

[Speaker 2] (3:55:30 - 3:55:31)
what the,

[Speaker 1] (3:55:31 - 3:55:31)
that

[Speaker 2] (3:55:31 - 3:55:31)
um,

[Speaker 1] (3:55:31 - 3:55:31)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:55:31 - 3:55:33)
the one buggy. police department has their buggy.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:33 - 3:55:33)
They

[Speaker 1] (3:55:33 - 3:55:34)
no

[Speaker 2] (3:55:34 - 3:55:35)
are there the whole i day.

[Speaker 1] (3:55:35 - 3:55:36)
mean for

[Speaker 2] (3:55:36 - 3:55:36)
They

[Speaker 1] (3:55:36 - 3:55:36)
a customer

[Speaker 2] (3:55:36 - 3:55:36)
transport people.

[Speaker 6] (3:55:37 - 3:55:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:55:37 - 3:55:39)
for customers if there's an issue

[Speaker 3] (3:55:39 - 3:55:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:55:40 - 3:55:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:40 - 3:55:40)
I

[Speaker 10] (3:55:40 - 3:55:41)
You could bring a wagon

[Speaker 1] (3:55:42 - 3:55:42)
I'm just suggesting

[Speaker 2] (3:55:42 - 3:55:43)
mean, I

[Speaker 1] (3:55:43 - 3:55:43)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:55:43 - 3:55:46)
don't know if that's, I don't know if that would be a liability.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:46 - 3:55:49)
for the town to be shuttling people back and forth.

[Speaker 3] (3:55:50 - 3:55:50)
No problem.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:50 - 3:55:57)
And if they were in a golf cart or something and I'm they just fell thinking out like, of it you know, handicapped people that go and get their hair cut, something like that, how do you

[Speaker 1] (3:55:57 - 3:55:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:57 - 3:55:57)
know?

[Speaker 3] (3:55:57 - 3:55:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:55:58 - 3:55:58)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:55:58 - 3:55:58)
I think

[Speaker 6] (3:55:58 - 3:55:58)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:55:58 - 3:55:59)
the best

[Speaker 2] (3:55:59 - 3:55:59)
I think

[Speaker 1] (3:55:59 - 3:55:59)
option.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:59 - 3:56:00)
anything we can do to

[Speaker 11] (3:56:00 - 3:56:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:56:00 - 3:56:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:00 - 3:56:01)
minimize

[Speaker 1] (3:56:01 - 3:56:01)
To be helpful.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:01 - 3:56:02)
them taking a loss.

[Speaker 1] (3:56:02 - 3:56:13)
We we did make a suggestion last year we did go to all the businesses that were open at the time and there were a couple that were happy with our ideas that we would use it as an opportunity for them to market themselves,

[Speaker 1] (3:56:13 - 3:56:15)
maybe come up with a deal to give away to patrons that day.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:16 - 3:56:21)
you're probably getting more foot traffic down there than you are on a typical day. Make yourself known, come outside,

[Speaker 2] (3:56:22 - 3:56:25)
greet people on the street, give them a coupon to come back when the street is open.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:26 - 3:56:40)
A few were receptive to that, but we are trying to really work with them to make it more accessible to more customers. We want to bring more people down to that area so that they know I mean they're I've I've lived here for over ten years and there were businesses down there before I did this that I didn't even know were there.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:42 - 3:56:44)
And now there's a few more that have just opened

[Speaker 3] (3:56:44 - 3:56:44)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:56:44 - 3:56:44)
up

[Speaker 3] (3:56:44 - 3:56:45)
we have

[Speaker 2] (3:56:45 - 3:56:45)
that that

[Speaker 3] (3:56:45 - 3:56:45)
the floor.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:45 - 3:56:52)
I think we'll want to come out and um and we'll leave the space in front of them open so that they have that space.

[Speaker 1] (3:56:53 - 3:56:59)
So the new businesses like the boba crepe store and a couple of other new businesses, they will be

[Speaker 2] (3:56:59 - 3:57:00)
Dog salty dog would.

[Speaker 1] (3:57:00 - 3:57:02)
they're, oh yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:57:02 - 3:57:03)
they're going to be notified and we

[Speaker 2] (3:57:03 - 3:57:05)
Yes, we will walk the whole street

[Speaker 1] (3:57:05 - 3:57:06)
explain

[Speaker 2] (3:57:06 - 3:57:06)
and talk and

[Speaker 1] (3:57:06 - 3:57:07)
the

[Speaker 2] (3:57:07 - 3:57:07)
talk

[Speaker 1] (3:57:07 - 3:57:07)
situation

[Speaker 2] (3:57:07 - 3:57:07)
to people.

[Speaker 1] (3:57:07 - 3:57:08)
so they won't be shocked.

[Speaker 1] (3:57:08 - 3:57:09)
shocked and allow

[Speaker 2] (3:57:09 - 3:57:09)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (3:57:09 - 3:57:13)
them opportunity well in advance so that they can plan for it?

[Speaker 3] (3:57:13 - 3:57:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:57:13 - 3:57:14)
Okay, perfect.

[Speaker 3] (3:57:14 - 3:57:14)
And

[Speaker 2] (3:57:14 - 3:57:14)
What

[Speaker 3] (3:57:14 - 3:57:14)
the

[Speaker 2] (3:57:14 - 3:57:14)
about,

[Speaker 3] (3:57:14 - 3:57:15)
same thing

[Speaker 2] (3:57:15 - 3:57:15)
what

[Speaker 3] (3:57:15 - 3:57:15)
with the residents.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:15 - 3:57:20)
about liquor licenses for G or Dockside?

[Speaker 3] (3:57:21 - 3:57:24)
They are only allowed to serve on their property.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:24 - 3:57:32)
But can't they take a liquor license for the front, if they want to put a tent or something in front of their building?

[Speaker 3] (3:57:33 - 3:57:37)
I know that somebody did that last year and didn't.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:38 - 3:57:38)
He

[Speaker 3] (3:57:38 - 3:57:38)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:57:38 - 3:57:39)
didn't have pull,

[Speaker 3] (3:57:39 - 3:57:39)
a special.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:39 - 3:57:42)
he didn't pull, he didn't, he had the opportunity to pull the liquor license,

[Speaker 2] (3:57:42 - 3:57:45)
but he was actually instructed don't bother.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:45 - 3:57:48)
And, you know, there's a little bit of an issue,

[Speaker 2] (3:57:48 - 3:57:49)
a minor issue there,

[Speaker 2] (3:57:49 - 3:57:59)
no big deal. But if one of the restaurants wants to sell outside of their property, like put a tent further in their property or sell,

[Speaker 2] (3:57:59 - 3:58:01)
make their own little beer garden in the front.

[Speaker 3] (3:58:01 - 3:58:04)
I think the only one we'd be talking about is is Doc's.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:05 - 3:58:06)
I don't know about

[Speaker 2] (3:58:06 - 3:58:06)
it and they would

[Speaker 1] (3:58:06 - 3:58:07)
Cafe

[Speaker 2] (3:58:07 - 3:58:07)
have to

[Speaker 1] (3:58:07 - 3:58:08)
G or Cafe

[Speaker 2] (3:58:08 - 3:58:09)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (3:58:09 - 3:58:09)
Avalino.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:09 - 3:58:09)
gee,

[Speaker 3] (3:58:09 - 3:58:10)
Cafe Avelino.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:10 - 3:58:12)
gee they're out on their sidewalk anyway.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:12 - 3:58:14)
Around their sidewalk anyway, yeah. Well, maybe they want to go even further.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:15 - 3:58:16)
They'd be in the street.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:16 - 3:58:18)
You have other then streets blocked off.

[Speaker 3] (3:58:19 - 3:58:20)
The street's blocked off, but we have vendors They outlining

[Speaker 1] (3:58:20 - 3:58:21)
have vendors lining the street.

[Speaker 3] (3:58:21 - 3:58:24)
the sidewalk open for the shops to come out.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:25 - 3:58:36)
But I guess what I'm saying is if we have a local business that instead of putting a a vendor in front of the local business, if the local business want to take that space, giving them that space.

[Speaker 3] (3:58:37 - 3:58:37)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:38 - 3:58:38)
I I would

[Speaker 1] (3:58:38 - 3:58:38)
Just making

[Speaker 2] (3:58:38 - 3:58:39)
probably

[Speaker 1] (3:58:39 - 3:58:39)
sure that

[Speaker 2] (3:58:39 - 3:58:39)
want

[Speaker 1] (3:58:39 - 3:58:39)
they have

[Speaker 2] (3:58:39 - 3:58:39)
to make sure

[Speaker 1] (3:58:39 - 3:58:39)
they

[Speaker 2] (3:58:39 - 3:58:40)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:58:40 - 3:58:40)
have a

[Speaker 2] (3:58:40 - 3:58:40)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:58:40 - 3:58:40)
priority.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:40 - 3:58:42)
that was legal to do that with their license.

[Speaker 4] (3:58:42 - 3:58:48)
We gave them the opportunity to do that last year and nobody did. I sent all of those businesses an email

[Speaker 3] (3:58:48 - 3:58:49)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:58:49 - 3:58:50)
with the instructions and

[Speaker 1] (3:58:50 - 3:58:50)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:58:50 - 3:58:50)
the application.

[Speaker 4] (3:58:52 - 3:58:57)
I think like it's probably on us to make it clear what their options are so all

[Speaker 1] (3:58:57 - 3:58:58)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:58:58 - 3:59:07)
these businesses know you can do this if you do this and if you don't do this you can't do that right, and it Right. would be like a FAQ and just outline it so they can't

[Speaker 2] (3:59:07 - 3:59:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:07 - 3:59:09)
come back later and say oh I

[Speaker 5] (3:59:09 - 3:59:09)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:59:09 - 3:59:11)
didn't know how it worked or

[Speaker 2] (3:59:11 - 3:59:11)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:11 - 3:59:11)
whatever

[Speaker 2] (3:59:11 - 3:59:11)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:11 - 3:59:11)
or

[Speaker 2] (3:59:11 - 3:59:14)
But they do have to stay on their properties.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:14 - 3:59:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:14 - 3:59:16)
It's like they can't, like someone

[Speaker 3] (3:59:16 - 3:59:16)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (3:59:16 - 3:59:16)
can't

[Speaker 3] (3:59:16 - 3:59:16)
they can't

[Speaker 2] (3:59:16 - 3:59:16)
get

[Speaker 3] (3:59:16 - 3:59:16)
serve.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:16 - 3:59:19)
a gin and tonic and walk down the street with it.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:19 - 3:59:19)
All

[Speaker 3] (3:59:19 - 3:59:19)
They,

[Speaker 4] (3:59:19 - 3:59:20)
right, all

[Speaker 3] (3:59:20 - 3:59:23)
they, their license dictates how they can serve.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:23 - 3:59:24)
So if they're on or off premises,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:24 - 3:59:25)
they have to follow those,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:26 - 3:59:26)
their

[Speaker 1] (3:59:26 - 3:59:26)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:26 - 3:59:27)
regulations.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:27 - 3:59:27)
But

[Speaker 3] (3:59:27 - 3:59:27)
If they

[Speaker 1] (3:59:27 - 3:59:27)
if you get

[Speaker 3] (3:59:27 - 3:59:28)
could get

[Speaker 1] (3:59:28 - 3:59:28)
a full,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:28 - 3:59:28)
a one day liquor

[Speaker 1] (3:59:28 - 3:59:28)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:28 - 3:59:29)
license,

[Speaker 1] (3:59:29 - 3:59:29)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:29 - 3:59:29)
correct,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:29 - 3:59:33)
then their premises could expand just like these individuals.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:33 - 3:59:34)
right.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:34 - 3:59:34)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:34 - 3:59:35)
That's what I'm saying.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:35 - 3:59:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:35 - 3:59:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:35 - 3:59:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:35 - 3:59:39)
Because actually dockside had a great setup.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:40 - 3:59:40)
It

[Speaker 1] (3:59:40 - 3:59:40)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:59:40 - 3:59:40)
was

[Speaker 1] (3:59:40 - 3:59:40)
it was perfect.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:40 - 3:59:41)
awesome.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:41 - 3:59:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:41 - 3:59:43)
Yes, in the parking lot.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:43 - 3:59:44)
But you

[Speaker 1] (3:59:44 - 3:59:44)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:44 - 3:59:47)
need to have the special permitting to do that.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:47 - 3:59:59)
but if if uh Jess and Andrew want to even expand even further in front there, I just wanna make sure they have the opportunity and the same for you know Theresa everybody else who's

[Speaker 6] (3:59:59 - 4:00:00)
If down. if Dianne says she

[Speaker 1] (4:00:00 - 4:00:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (4:00:00 - 4:00:00)
gave me

[Speaker 7] (4:00:00 - 4:00:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:00 - 4:00:00)
Yep,

[Speaker 7] (4:00:00 - 4:00:02)
we did. they'll all they'll reach out.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:02 - 4:00:04)
I really like a F_ eight two It or something.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:04 - 4:00:04)
was that last

[Speaker 4] (4:00:04 - 4:00:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:04 - 4:00:05)
it was last

[Speaker 4] (4:00:05 - 4:00:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:05 - 4:00:08)
one. Just so you can let them know. This is what you need to do if you wanna do this,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:08 - 4:00:08)
And there's

[Speaker 1] (4:00:08 - 4:00:08)
if you

[Speaker 4] (4:00:08 - 4:00:09)
a lot

[Speaker 1] (4:00:09 - 4:00:09)
don't

[Speaker 4] (4:00:09 - 4:00:09)
of confusion.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:09 - 4:00:09)
you shouldn't.

[Speaker 7] (4:00:10 - 4:00:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (4:00:10 - 4:00:12)
Alright, I'm gonna try once again.

[Speaker 7] (4:00:12 - 4:00:12)
Do

[Speaker 9] (4:00:12 - 4:00:12)
I'm

[Speaker 7] (4:00:12 - 4:00:12)
it,

[Speaker 9] (4:00:12 - 4:00:12)
gonna

[Speaker 7] (4:00:12 - 4:00:12)
Doug.

[Speaker 9] (4:00:12 - 4:00:15)
make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

[Speaker 2] (4:00:15 - 4:00:16)
I will second that motion.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:16 - 4:00:16)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (4:00:16 - 4:00:16)
X_

[Speaker 4] (4:00:16 - 4:00:16)
I

[Speaker 7] (4:00:16 - 4:00:17)
all those in favour?

[Speaker 1] (4:00:17 - 4:00:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (4:00:18 - 4:00:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (4:00:18 - 4:00:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:19 - 4:00:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (4:00:19 - 4:00:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:20 - 4:00:20)
Thanks.

[Speaker 7] (4:00:20 - 4:00:22)
Fantastic. Select board time.

[Speaker 9] (4:00:25 - 4:00:26)
That one.

[Speaker 7] (4:00:26 - 4:00:27)
Nope, select board time.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:27 - 4:00:27)
Um,

[Speaker 7] (4:00:27 - 4:00:28)
Is it eight now?

[Speaker 4] (4:00:28 - 4:00:32)
congratulations to Annabel Avery. She set the, she was freshman.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:33 - 4:00:35)
One mile record in the states,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:35 - 4:00:36)
I I think.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:36 - 4:00:37)
top of the state.

[Speaker 9] (4:00:37 - 4:00:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:37 - 4:00:59)
Um amazing accomplishment for a freshman. That was something that happened this week. So congrats to Annabelle and her family. Um field day yesterday for the elementary school was off the charts. I mean I couldn't believe how much they to Rachel's point how much they pulled off and how how wonderful it was for all seven hundred and something kids. Um what else is happening?

[Speaker 3] (4:00:59 - 4:01:00)
What else is happening?

[Speaker 4] (4:01:01 - 4:01:02)
I don't know.

[Speaker 9] (4:01:02 - 4:01:02)
I it's

[Speaker 4] (4:01:02 - 4:01:04)
can't even think anymore. That's it. I

[Speaker 7] (4:01:04 - 4:01:04)
That's

[Speaker 4] (4:01:04 - 4:01:04)
had that's

[Speaker 7] (4:01:04 - 4:01:04)
great.

[Speaker 4] (4:01:04 - 4:01:04)
all I

[Speaker 7] (4:01:04 - 4:01:04)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (4:01:04 - 4:01:04)
got.

[Speaker 7] (4:01:04 - 4:01:05)
you, David.

[Speaker 9] (4:01:06 - 4:01:06)
I

[Speaker 7] (4:01:06 - 4:01:07)
Do you have

[Speaker 9] (4:01:07 - 4:01:07)
just

[Speaker 7] (4:01:07 - 4:01:07)
anything?

[Speaker 9] (4:01:07 - 4:01:13)
yeah I just just one quick thing I just want to thank Amy Saro for her five years of service to the town.

[Speaker 9] (4:01:16 - 4:01:41)
You know, she s she started uh in the midst of a pandemic in uh in in 2020 and rose uh through the ranks to become the director of finance and administration for the town. I think anybody who's tuned in over the last six, seven, eight months uh has certainly seen her uh her expertise uh about municipal finance uh on on display uh I certainly you know.

[Speaker 9] (4:01:41 - 4:01:59)
It's an enormous loss and I do wish that this board and everybody up here, I wish we had done more to retain her her services with the town. But I do wish her all the best with her future role in Newburyport.

[Speaker 9] (4:01:59 - 4:02:00)
So thank you Amy.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:01 - 4:02:03)
Thank you, David, and thank you, Amy.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:04 - 4:02:05)
I just want to thank Nathan,

[Speaker 1] (4:02:05 - 4:02:06)
Kent,

[Speaker 1] (4:02:06 - 4:02:06)
Nate,

[Speaker 1] (4:02:06 - 4:02:07)
Bisham,

[Speaker 1] (4:02:07 - 4:02:07)
Paul.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:08 - 4:02:19)
for bonus and Jill Dullet for bringing us our late night show here tonight. And also we'll be setting a date for the rabies clinic in the next couple weeks. Diane will post that as soon as we get that

[Speaker 10] (4:02:19 - 4:02:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:19 - 4:02:24)
confirmed. They just have to double check with D-P-W and it's pretty much it.

[Speaker 10] (4:02:24 - 4:02:25)
We'll be able to work with you.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:25 - 4:02:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:27 - 4:02:27)
Doug?

[Speaker 10] (4:02:27 - 4:02:33)
Um Diane is reminding me to let people know that Mass Save will be in town hall

[Speaker 10] (4:02:34 - 4:02:40)
The first and third Wednesday of the month to help people with their no-cost home energy assessments.

[Speaker 10] (4:02:40 - 4:02:44)
They'll be there from 10 to 11 in the select boardroom.

[Speaker 4] (4:02:46 - 4:02:46)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:47 - 4:02:48)
Thanks, Doug.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:48 - 4:02:50)
A couple of things.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:50 - 4:02:55)
One, for July and August, the Select Board will meet on Tuesdays.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:56 - 4:03:01)
For the holiday week, we will not meet, so we will meet the 8th and the 22nd.

[Speaker 7] (4:03:02 - 4:03:11)
And in August we'll meet the 5th and the 19th and that's to accommodate for all the wonderful things that the Rec Department is doing so that we can attend and participate.

[Speaker 7] (4:03:12 - 4:03:13)
We are,

[Speaker 7] (4:03:13 - 4:03:17)
I also wanted to give an update on the Poet Laureate discussion as

[Speaker 1] (4:03:17 - 4:03:18)
Oh, good.

[Speaker 7] (4:03:18 - 4:03:21)
a liaison for the Library Board of Trustees.

[Speaker 7] (4:03:21 - 4:03:33)
So there was a great amount of support to have that program back up and running. The conversation with the Library Board of Trustees suggests

[Speaker 7] (4:03:36 - 4:03:42)
that the Select Board consider formally reinstating the initiative and dedicating a formal committee,

[Speaker 7] (4:03:42 - 4:03:44)
and not that the library handle it.

[Speaker 7] (4:03:46 - 4:03:54)
There is a civic and cultural significance to the role and they believe the process should be more community driven and less just library focused.

[Speaker 7] (4:03:55 - 4:04:01)
The town already has a valued arts committee whose expertise in leadership could be instrumental to this.

[Speaker 7] (4:04:02 - 4:04:06)
They view a collaborative effort with the select board,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:06 - 4:04:06)
the arts committee,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:07 - 4:04:07)
the library,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:07 - 4:04:19)
and even the schools and other community voices would provide a strong foundation for the poet laureate program continuing on for years to come and not sort of these stops and starts that we have seen recently.

[Speaker 7] (4:04:20 - 4:04:27)
The director of the library has committed to serve as the library's liaison and offer support for organizing the process,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:28 - 4:04:28)
the promotion,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:29 - 4:04:29)
the planning,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:29 - 4:04:30)
the engagement,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:30 - 4:04:33)
and they would love to play a key role in celebrating the work,

[Speaker 7] (4:04:33 - 4:04:44)
but they want to play a part in it and not facilitate it in totality. And a lot of the discussion was a part of a lot of these emails going back and forth and

[Speaker 7] (4:04:46 - 4:04:49)
The library is a very programmed building.

[Speaker 7] (4:04:49 - 4:04:51)
They program well in advance.

[Speaker 4] (4:04:51 - 4:04:51)
Mm They-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (4:04:51 - 4:04:58)
have a limited budget as we've spoken about at these tables and they have limited resources and

[Speaker 7] (4:05:00 - 4:05:05)
They were hopeful that the Poet Laureate program could sort of get going in line with this year,

[Speaker 7] (4:05:05 - 4:05:15)
but they have just had so much overwhelming other things happening that they couldn't get it off the ground and meet the expectations of what the folks who came before us prior had.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:15 - 4:05:24)
So that is where they landed, and I'm hopeful that we could...

[Speaker 7] (4:05:25 - 4:05:32)
Get something going between the board, the cultural committee,

[Speaker 7] (4:05:32 - 4:05:37)
the library, and potentially the school,

[Speaker 7] (4:05:37 - 4:05:41)
to get it back off the ground and running for 2026.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:44 - 4:05:47)
So if anybody has any thoughts to help me do that, that would be great.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:49 - 4:05:50)
I'll work on that one.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:51 - 4:05:51)
Cool,

[Speaker 7] (4:05:51 - 4:05:51)
thanks.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:54 - 4:05:54)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:54 - 4:05:55)
Motion to

[Speaker 10] (4:05:55 - 4:05:55)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:55 - 4:05:56)
adjourn. Second,

[Speaker 10] (4:05:56 - 4:05:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:57 - 4:05:57)
I have.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:57 - 4:05:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:57 - 4:05:57)
Thank

[Speaker 10] (4:05:57 - 4:05:58)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (4:05:58 - 4:05:58)
you everybody.