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Check,

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check, check. Cool.

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Hey, good evening everyone and welcome to the June eighteenth meeting of the select board. If you could rise for the Pledge of Allegiance led by our Eagle Scout Jack Finn-Gatlin.

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I

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I pledge

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay. As a reminder,

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we are being recorded.

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We will start the meeting by a reading of the Juneteenth proclamation.

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Juneteenth proclamation by the select board.

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Whereas on June 19th, 1865, more than 20,000

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25,000 enslaved people in the state of Texas received news that they were free and that the Emancipation Proclamation had declared all enslaved people to be free nearly two and a half years earlier.

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And whereas since 1865,

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Juneteenth Day has been celebrated as a special day of celebration for freedom and the celebration of this day has grown into a day of learning,

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sharing and giving respect to the

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culture,

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and achievements of African Americans.

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And whereas on January 1,

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1980,

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Juneteenth officially became a Texas state holiday.

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Since then,

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the federal government and all 50 states and the District of Columbia have also commemorated or recognized the day.

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And whereas the 117th Congress established Juneteenth National Independence Day and declared June 19th as a legal...

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Illegal Public Holiday.

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This bipartisan legislation unanimously passed the Senate and passed the House by a vote of 415 to 14,

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becoming the 12th federal holiday. And whereas on July 14,

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2020,

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then Governor Charlie Baker signed Juneteenth into law to be celebrated as a state holiday to recognize the continued need to ensure racial freedom and equality.

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And whereas Juneteenth is an opportunity to reflect on our nation's history and to celebrate the contributions of all our citizens,

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it is a chance to shine a light on the strength of the human spirit and to begin to make a wrong right by working towards a more equitable future for all Americans.

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And now therefore,

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by virtue of the authority vested in the town administrator and each of the below select board members in the town of Swampscott, we hereby proclaim June 19,

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2025 as Juneteenth Day in the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts and encourage all faith-based and non-profit organizations,

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residents,

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businesses and public institutions to acknowledge, honor and value and celebrate African-Americans and encourage everyone to treat others with mutual respect and understanding.

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A witness hereof, we have hereunto set our hands and cause to be affixed the great seal of the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts this 18th day of June 2025,

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the Swampscott Select Board.

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Here, here.

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Thank you, Doug. Appreciate that.

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Sort of anticlimactic as we read something so powerful to then just move on to the next thing.

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Jackson Citation is right here.

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Okay,

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we are next going to recognize Jackson Gatlin,

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who has come to be recognized as an Eagle Scout.

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Doug, would you mind reading the proclamation?

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I will.

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Whereas the rank of Eagle Scout is the highest honor that can be attained by a Boy Scout and takes years of dedication and commitment to achieve.

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And whereas Eagle Scouts act as leaders and role models in the community.

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The Eagle Scout Award is a distinction that will follow Mr.

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Gatlin throughout life and will be a beacon to others of the leadership,

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quality,

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and commitment he has shown.

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And whereas Mr.

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Gatlin's attainment of the rank of Eagle Scout involved working with Lynn DPW and installing an informational kiosk at Sluice Pond in Lynn,

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displaying environmental information,

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regulations, and city notices.

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Mr. Gatlin also spearheaded the removal of invasive knotweed and trash at Sluice Pond.

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This major community service project will undoubtedly benefit all visitors to Sluice Pond for years to come. And now therefore be it proclaimed that on behalf of the entire select board and town of Swampscott we do hereby congratulate and recognize Jackson Gatlin for his achievement of the rank of Eagle Scout and urge others to join us in extending congratulations to Mr.

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Gatlin.

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Witness here whereof we have here unto set our hands and caused to be affixed the great seal of the town of Swampscott,

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Massachusetts this eighteenth day of June 2025 the Swampscott Select Board and Gino Cresta.

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you don't know this dude with all these merit badges like this is not normal okay most people have one of these okay he's got like you know overflowing basically very very impressive

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Sebastian's is actually what else he's got. We're eleven years old. So it's was relatively new to me, the scouting stuff. But the scouting has quite consistently been a part of my life throughout stuff. I dunno. Okay. It's okay, that's fine. Um yeah, so scouting has been pretty consistent throughout my life. Uh and

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That's all I have.

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have a lot of merit badges they oh hello the mic's on um so that gave me an opportunity to scouting gave me an opportunity to do fun things and to be like awarded for it so that was a lot of fun i actually worked as a camp counselor at a scout camp up in new hampshire uh what was it called hidden valley yeah that was it hidden valley up in new hampshire which was a lot of fun summer of 2022 uh but anyways going on to becoming an eagle scout uh it was a lot of work and i'm very grateful for all my friends and family

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family and fellow scout members who helped me through all of this I mean it's not supposed to be a project that you do by yourself it's something that you lead and it has given me many opportunities to lead and to help others and it was something very personal to me also because I live out on Sluice Pond and you know I wanted to have some sort of information that people could access I mean I go fishing there all the time I go swimming in there it's a great pond so the construction of an informational kiosk was pretty important to me telling about

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about fish, you know, the flora and the fauna of the area, some local rules and regulations, and also just anything that the city wanted to put up. Um the removal of knotweed too uh was a big part of it. It was blocking pretty important signs. Uh there was a big metal sign there basically saying like don't drive backwards because it's dangerous, but that was blocked up so people could have driven backwards. I don't know. Um so anyways, I got rid of knotweed. Uh and there was also just some general trash clean-up. I mean you know, it's a boat ramp, people go fishing off of there all the time, lures,

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tackle areas you know just wrappers of stuff so cleaning all that up yeah that was my project and I actually did my border review the day before I turned 18 May 20th so that was kind of cutting it close but I did it so here we are awesome thanks

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Congratulations.

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I will say I did mine the day before my 18th birthday as well. It's a very

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Wow.

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common thing that happens. So deadlines, helpful.

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Thank you very much and congratulations again.

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Okay, we will move on to the town administrator's report.

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The town administrator is out this evening, but I do have a highlight reel.

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On Saturday the No Kings protest saw about 500 attendees as Congressman Moulton spoke.

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For the police department it was a peaceful rally with no issues which

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is saying something so thank you to all the participants and to the police department appreciate all your support. Um due to the weather the VFW will be holding their annual U.S. flag retirement ceremony on Fisherman's Beach on Wednesday June 25th at 5 p.m.

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If you have a flag in need of retirement please drop it off at their location on 8 Pine Street by June 25th 3 p.m. Or bring it to the ceremony by 4 45 so they can

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can make time to have them all retired um respectfully. A big thank you to the Swampscott residents who generously donated ten thousand dollars towards the annual fireworks event. That's a really big deal and closed a really big gap for us. So we appreciate um the generosity of that resident and we will all enjoy the fireworks um a good deal thanks to them.

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The annual town-wide yard sale was rescheduled due to weather and is now scheduled for June 28th. The library's annual summer reading program for kids and adults kicks off on June 26th. We had had a conversation last week about the building departments and the new building director.

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The total revenue brought in in May by the building department was $1,000.

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seventy eight thousand seven hundred and fifteen dollars, so we can already see significant um

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significant increases due to having a building commissioner so appreciate that continued effort Gino attended and made a presentation at the greater Lynn chamber annual state of the region on the state of Swampscott Doug I think you were there

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I

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for that

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was.

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as a part of the cooling corridors grant program we have an additional 52 trees to plant in locations around town

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Um if you would like to have a tree planted somewhere around you, please email um Gino or you can email the select board and we'll make sure it gets to the right place.

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Um that is the highlight reel of the town administrators report. It's more fully fleshed out.

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I mean you could ask questions for the record, but we could also ask Juno questions next time if we have any. Unless anybody has anything. Questions?

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You're not gonna fully be able to answer

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I

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questions

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don't think

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then?

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so. I could try my very best

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Well, one

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as I tr as I always do, but

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One thing, I'm not sure, did you mention Black Panther tomorrow night?

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Oh no, that's right. On the

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Black Panther uh tomorrow night, six p.m. uh town hall

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Being

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auditorium.

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shown on town hall lawn

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Yep.

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as the first of the movie programmes being held by the rec department.

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Good.

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Okay. We will move on to public comment.

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Public comment, please come up to the microphone so that folks at home can hear you.

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Please state your name and your address. You'll have three minutes.

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It looks like we have one hand raised online.

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Diane, you can unmute.

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Okay, go ahead DG.

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Sorry, I can't see your name.

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It was David Greenbaum.

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David Greenbaum.

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Okay,

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David

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David Greenbaum,

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you may unmute yourself and speak.

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Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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I'd like to speak to the board tonight regarding what I understand is the potential to eliminate the public health nurse in town.

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A little bit about myself. I am a former longtime resident of the town of Swanscott.

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And my mother is, I believe, the last.

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public health nurse full-time in the town of Swampscott.

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That was about 35 to 40 years ago and it's taken that long for the town to get another full-time public health nurse.

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It's a position that I hold dear as I am the health agent in the city of Salem as well.

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I'm a public health advocate and a public health professional.

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I believe that this position is of utmost importance in any community.

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They offer services to the community overall,

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but in particular to the seniors in the community.

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I think that, you know, eliminating a position of this importance would be a detriment to the residents of Swanscott. And I think that.

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The town really needs to take a long look at some of the things that this position does.

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They offer vaccination clinics and blood pressure clinics.

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They offer walk-in services at senior centers for, you know, for the seniors. They provide...

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TV and DOT for TV patients.

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You know, I could go on and on and I know some of my colleagues are here and they're going to speak as well about this,

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but I really encourage the town to think long and hard about eliminating a position that does so much for the town of Swampscott in public health in general.

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It would be a tragedy to see this happen again after getting this position back after 40 years.

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years.

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I thank you again for the opportunity to speak and I'll yield the floor.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Diane, if you could hover to the number two hand.

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Sharon, you should unmute if you could.

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Thank you very much.

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Very good.

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My name is Sharon Cameron and I'm a resident of Peabody and I'm the director of health and human services for the city of Peabody.

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I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you tonight.

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The health of the residents of my community is entwined with the health of residents throughout our region.

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The role of the public health nurse is critical to ensuring that infectious diseases are identified and managed in a timely and efficient manner.

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One of the cliches of public health is that diseases don't respect municipal borders.

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The collaboration that our regional health departments,

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and specifically our public health nurses,

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have is essential to keeping all of our residents safe.

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To give you a very frequent example,

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there may be a resident of Swampscott who works in a Peabody restaurant as a food handler.

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If that employee becomes ill with salmonella and continues working,

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everyone eating at that restaurant is at risk.

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This is just one of many examples where quick and efficient communication between public health nurses keeps that one isolated illness from becoming a widespread outbreak.

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There are approximately 80 communicable diseases that by law are reported to the local Board of Health by labs,

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hospitals,

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and doctor's offices, and the public health nurses are responsible for following up to prevent the spread of these diseases.

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In addition to the many foodborne illnesses,

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there are diseases like tuberculosis,

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Ebola,

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and triple E that the public health nurse follows up on.

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In other words, the doctor treats the sick patient.

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The public health nurse investigates to figure out how that patient got sick to prevent it from happening to other people and also implements interventions to make sure that that sick patient doesn't spread disease to others in the community.

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Over the 20 years that I've been part of this regional collaboration,

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we've honed our emergency plans and conducted drills that prepared us to offer regional drive-through vaccination clinics during COVID pandemic.

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We've standardized regulations and procedures across our communities to ensure that we're reflecting best practices while also promoting a level playing field for the businesses on the North Shore.

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Sure.

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We've identified common health issues such as the need for improved access to behavioral health services and we've launched initiatives together such as the Nor Shore mother visiting partnership to address issues such as the postpartum mental health of new parents.

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Excuse me.

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I could give you many more examples,

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but in the interest of brevity, I'll conclude by asking you to please recognize the vital importance of the public health nurse role to your community and to the broader community of the North Shore.

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Public health work is often invisible until there's a crisis, but the work our public health nurses do behind the scenes every day is essential to the well-being of all of our communities.

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Thank you

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Thank you.

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The next essay.

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Diane, could you float over that name again?

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Stephen Casey.

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If you wanted to speak,

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okay,

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we'll come back to them if they raise their hand again.

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Could you go to Megan Pollock?

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Yes, it should be outside.

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Okay,

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Megan, you may unmute your mic.

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Thank you. Good evening.

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My name is Meg Baluznevsky and I'm the coordinator for the North Shore Public Health Collaborative,

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which is a regional collaboration of eight local health departments, including Swampscott.

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It forms a speech night to ensure everyone is aware of the decision that the decision to eliminate Swampscott's public health nurse position would potentially jeopardize its participation in the grant-funded program.

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These programs or resources are currently available to Swampscott residents at no cost to the town,

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and it includes a team of regional staff,

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including a social worker,

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community health worker,

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a part-time public health nurse,

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two epidemiologists,

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and two health inspectors.

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These staff members enable participation in the North Shore Mother Visiting Partnership,

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which provides a home visit to moms who recently gave birth.

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The main condition of the grant funding for this program is that participating municipalities may not supplant funds,

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so this would mean we would no longer be able to provide Swamp Scout residents with these free regional services if the town does move forward with this decision,

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which would negatively impact both Swamp Scout and the region as a whole.

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Thank you for your time and opportunity to speak.

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Thank you.

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Go ahead,

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Diane.

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You can unmute your mic,

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Mr.

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Khan.

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Good evening members of select board.

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My name is Stephen Kahn and I'm an epidemiologist in Salem who works closely with local health departments in the area including here in Swamp Scott.

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I want to speak strongly against the elimination of the public health nurse position.

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This is not just a staffing change.

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This decision was serious consequences for disease control,

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the health of seniors and legal compliance.

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The public health nurse is essential to infection prevention,

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surveillance and rapid response.

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They are the ones who report illnesses,

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identify the source and take swift steps to stop disease transmission in our communities.

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We've seen this firsthand with pertussis in schools, which was elevated last year.

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where the nurse follows up with families,

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ensures treatment,

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and works with school nurses and staff to prevent spread.

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Without that intervention,

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outbreaks will spread quickly and silently.

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Swampscott also has a growing aging population,

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many of whom rely on the public health nurse for services like blood pressure screenings, flu and COVID-19 immunization clinics,

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and home visits.

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These are not luxuries, they are essential preventative services that reduce hospitalizations and emergency care.

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If this position is eliminated,

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these responsibilities won't disappear.

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Under 105 CMR 365,

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the local Board of Health is still legally required to conduct tuberculosis surveillance.

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If there is no public health nurse, the town will still need to fulfill that obligation,

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likely by contracting with an outside source,

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which is often more expensive and less responsive to the needs of residents.

[Speaker 7] (29:36 - 29:39)
The same applies to immunization and elder wellness services.

[Speaker 7] (29:40 - 29:42)
Those would also need to be outsourced. So let's be clear,

[Speaker 7] (29:42 - 29:47)
eliminating this role does not reduce the town's responsibility and it will not save money.

[Speaker 7] (29:47 - 29:48)
It will shift costs elsewhere,

[Speaker 7] (29:48 - 29:49)
likely increase.

[Speaker 1] (29:49 - 29:52)
likely increase them and degrade the quality of timeliness of care for residents,

[Speaker 1] (29:52 - 29:53)
especially seniors.

[Speaker 1] (29:54 - 30:01)
Please do not move forward with this. Swampchat deserves better than this level of risk and short-sightedness, especially for its most vulnerable residents.

[Speaker 1] (30:01 - 30:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (30:03 - 30:07)
Thank you. We'll go back to the prior Steven.

[Speaker 1] (30:10 - 30:12)
Hi, can you guys hear me okay?

[Speaker 2] (30:12 - 30:12)
We can,

[Speaker 2] (30:12 - 30:13)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (30:13 - 30:14)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (30:14 - 30:16)
sorry about that. I was having some audio issues.

[Speaker 1] (30:17 - 30:19)
My name is Stephen Casey Jr.

[Speaker 1] (30:19 - 30:27)
I work with the Northeast Training Hub as a regional public health trainer which covers Swampscott and almost 30 other communities on the North Shore.

[Speaker 1] (30:28 - 30:38)
Like my colleagues, I just wanted to echo some of their statements and talk about the importance of public health nurses to the community. They provide tons of core services that protect residents.

[Speaker 3] (30:38 - 30:39)
and improve their health outcomes.

[Speaker 3] (30:39 - 30:41)
Some of these have been touched on already,

[Speaker 3] (30:41 - 30:47)
but some of the services they provide and are limited to vaccination clinics for the public,

[Speaker 3] (30:47 - 30:49)
first responders and senior citizens of the town,

[Speaker 3] (30:49 - 30:56)
blood pressure clinics and routine hearing and vision examinations, monitoring and investigating infectious and communicable diseases,

[Speaker 3] (30:56 - 30:57)
including contacting,

[Speaker 3] (30:57 - 30:58)
educating,

[Speaker 3] (30:58 - 31:00)
and guiding residents impacted by these diseases.

[Speaker 3] (31:01 - 31:05)
They thoroughly vet and inspect recreational camps operating in town to protect.

[Speaker 3] (31:05 - 31:05)
protect the children,

[Speaker 3] (31:06 - 31:09)
assist with emergency preparedness to combat and plan for disasters,

[Speaker 3] (31:10 - 31:16)
run programs that help children and mothers and coordinate and develop substance use prevention efforts like opioid prevention,

[Speaker 3] (31:16 - 31:16)
for example.

[Speaker 3] (31:17 - 31:22)
Eliminating a position like this is a short-term action that can create long-term community-wide impacts.

[Speaker 3] (31:23 - 31:33)
Seniors and residents lose access to many services provided by the nurse and the community loses someone protecting them from infectious diseases that prevents outbreaks from occurring and contains them when they do.

[Speaker 3] (31:33 - 31:37)
In 2020, we experienced a global pandemic and in 2024,

[Speaker 3] (31:37 - 31:40)
Massachusetts had a whooping cough outbreak in children across the state.

[Speaker 3] (31:41 - 31:45)
Public health nurses were at the forefront of this when it came to protecting the community's seniors,

[Speaker 3] (31:45 - 31:46)
children and residents.

[Speaker 3] (31:47 - 31:49)
On top of the duties already listed,

[Speaker 3] (31:49 - 31:52)
public health nurses are key community figures that residents are familiar with.

[Speaker 3] (31:53 - 31:59)
They're experts on their specific city or town that residents know have a rapport with and feel comfortable interacting with and approaching.

[Speaker 3] (31:59 - 32:01)
They provide free education,

[Speaker 3] (32:01 - 32:03)
trainings and guidance to seniors,

[Speaker 3] (32:03 - 32:05)
new mothers and residents of all walks of life.

[Speaker 3] (32:06 - 32:07)
As select board members,

[Speaker 3] (32:07 - 32:11)
I know you took these positions because your community is of the utmost importance to each of you.

[Speaker 3] (32:11 - 32:16)
Ensuring Swampscott has a permanent full time public health nurse is one of the most efficient,

[Speaker 3] (32:16 - 32:20)
effective and cost beneficial ways to make sure that Swampscott residents stay safe.

[Speaker 3] (32:19 - 32:22)
Stay safe and healthy and don't lose access to services that benefit them.

[Speaker 3] (32:23 - 32:24)
Thank you very much for your time.

[Speaker 2] (32:25 - 32:26)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (32:28 - 32:33)
Seeing no additional hands raised or anybody in the audience,

[Speaker 2] (32:33 - 32:46)
we will move on to old and new business and open up to the 645 continuation of public hearing to discuss a possible vote on the renewal of wholesome's earth removal permit.

[Speaker 2] (32:47 - 32:49)
Do you have a motion so you can... Thank

[Speaker 4] (32:49 - 32:50)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (32:50 - 32:53)
you. We are now in the public hearing.

[Speaker 5] (32:54 - 32:55)
All in favor, aye.

[Speaker 2] (32:55 - 32:57)
Oh, all in favor, aye, sorry.

[Speaker 2] (32:57 - 32:59)
My apologies. Thanks for reminding me, Doug.

[Speaker 2] (33:01 - 33:07)
Okay, so we are here again to discuss the ERAC permit.

[Speaker 2] (33:07 - 33:11)
Tony and company are here to help us.

[Speaker 2] (33:11 - 33:21)
With any additional questions or concerns we had a wholesome representatives in last meeting to discuss the position and they had taken

[Speaker 2] (33:24 - 33:39)
Probably the most community involvement I've had is the idea that Wholesome is willing to participate in some community outreach and I've had four or five emails about some ideas where Wholesome could spend some funds in Swampscott that might help our community.

[Speaker 2] (33:39 - 33:42)
So glad that that came from the conversation.

[Speaker 2] (33:44 - 33:50)
But as for the task at hand does anybody have any additional questions or comments for ERAC on the permit?

[Speaker 2] (33:53 - 33:57)
No, Iraq, would you like to say anything? You don't have to, but you are here.

[Speaker 6] (33:59 - 34:01)
I'm here in case there was some questions,

[Speaker 2] (34:01 - 34:01)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (34:01 - 34:01)
but

[Speaker 2] (34:01 - 34:01)
great.

[Speaker 6] (34:01 - 34:03)
if there's no questions.

[Speaker 2] (34:03 - 34:11)
Fantastic, I see we have a representative from Wholesome virtually. Is there anything you would like to say before we proceed?

[Speaker 6] (34:13 - 34:13)
That's

[Speaker 7] (34:13 - 34:13)
I pretty

[Speaker 6] (34:13 - 34:13)
Chris.

[Speaker 7] (34:13 - 34:14)
muted. That's

[Speaker 6] (34:14 - 34:16)
I'm here for a purpose as well.

[Speaker 2] (34:16 - 34:16)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (34:16 - 34:17)
I'm Jared Temple.

[Speaker 2] (34:17 - 34:17)
oh, okay.

[Speaker 3] (34:18 - 34:19)
I'm here as well.

[Speaker 2] (34:19 - 34:20)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 2] (34:20 - 34:20)
Sorry.

[Speaker 8] (34:20 - 34:21)
Okay, no worries.

[Speaker 2] (34:21 - 34:22)
Oh,

[Speaker 8] (34:22 - 34:23)
turn my hat around there.

[Speaker 8] (34:23 - 34:23)
Nice.

[Speaker 2] (34:23 - 34:24)
there you go.

[Speaker 2] (34:25 - 34:27)
You guys were so friendly, I just assumed.

[Speaker 2] (34:28 - 34:29)
But that's a good sign.

[Speaker 8] (34:29 - 34:30)
Of course.

[Speaker 2] (34:31 - 34:31)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (34:31 - 34:35)
so I will take up a vote if anybody's so inclined.

[Speaker 3] (34:36 - 34:37)
You want to say anything?

[Speaker 9] (34:38 - 34:43)
No, same thing. I was just here to answer any additional questions, but there does not appear to be any.

[Speaker 2] (34:43 - 34:44)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 10] (34:45 - 34:50)
I'll m I'll make a motion to renew Wholesome's um twenty twenty five twenty twenty six Earth Removal Permit.

[Speaker 6] (34:50 - 34:51)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (34:52 - 34:53)
All those in favour?

[Speaker 10] (34:53 - 34:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (34:53 - 34:54)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (34:54 - 34:54)
I.

[Speaker 2] (34:55 - 34:59)
Okay, very good. Uh we need a motion to close

[Speaker 9] (34:59 - 34:59)
Summarize.

[Speaker 2] (34:59 - 35:00)
the public hearing.

[Speaker 6] (35:00 - 35:00)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (35:00 - 35:01)
All in favour?

[Speaker 6] (35:01 - 35:01)
Oh.

[Speaker 9] (35:02 - 35:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (35:02 - 35:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (35:02 - 35:08)
Aye. Okay. And we look forward to continuing discussions upon um Fableson's community outreach.

[Speaker 10] (35:08 - 35:13)
Yeah, and I think I think it would be a good idea for those of us who have not taken a tour. Like I I I

[Speaker 2] (35:13 - 35:13)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (35:13 - 35:13)
went

[Speaker 2] (35:13 - 35:13)
I've

[Speaker 10] (35:13 - 35:13)
I

[Speaker 2] (35:13 - 35:13)
never.

[Speaker 10] (35:13 - 35:16)
would I went five years ago. I would love to go again.

[Speaker 2] (35:16 - 35:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (35:16 - 35:20)
So I Jared I will reach out and maybe try to schedule something with you guys over the

[Speaker 10] (35:21 - 35:22)
over the course of the next few weeks.

[Speaker 9] (35:22 - 35:27)
Fantastic. I know how difficult it is to get everyone's schedules in one spot, so.

[Speaker 9] (35:29 - 35:31)
Chris talked about it earlier today,

[Speaker 9] (35:32 - 35:32)
too,

[Speaker 9] (35:32 - 35:35)
so whatever works for you guys, we are open to it.

[Speaker 9] (35:36 - 35:38)
Just give us a little bit of notice and we'll make it happen.

[Speaker 2] (35:39 - 35:39)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (35:39 - 35:39)
Great.

[Speaker 10] (35:39 - 35:40)
You got it.

[Speaker 2] (35:40 - 35:40)
Appreciate

[Speaker 1] (35:40 - 35:40)
Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (35:40 - 35:41)
it very much. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (35:44 - 35:46)
The next item on the agenda is,

[Speaker 11] (35:46 - 35:54)
Excuse me, excuse me, just a reminder that we've got to get this permit to the Board of Health as well.

[Speaker 2] (35:54 - 35:59)
Yes, I did speak with the Board of Health this afternoon and they will discuss it in their next meeting.

[Speaker 11] (36:00 - 36:00)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (36:00 - 36:02)
You're very welcome.

[Speaker 2] (36:06 - 36:13)
The next item on the agenda is a discussion and possible vote of this Palm Scott Police Department's recommendations of the changes to Fisherman's Beach parking lot.

[Speaker 2] (36:14 - 36:17)
We have lots of folks here who have thoughts on that,

[Speaker 2] (36:17 - 36:19)
so we are very glad to welcome you all.

[Speaker 2] (36:20 - 36:32)
The conversation sort of where we left it last time was maybe possibly thinking about before going straight to recreation only in the whole lot the whole day if there wasn't some sort of compromise or

[Speaker 2] (36:33 - 36:37)
Some sort of middle ground maybe that we could start thinking about.

[Speaker 2] (36:38 - 36:42)
We invited some members of the Swampscott Yacht Club,

[Speaker 2] (36:42 - 36:56)
the Harbor and Waterfront, and some of the commercial fishermen to join us today along with the police department just to make sure that we are seeing all points of the community during this conversation.

[Speaker 2] (36:56 - 36:57)
So thank you all for coming.

[Speaker 2] (36:58 - 36:58)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 2] (36:59 - 37:00)
Um so

[Speaker 2] (37:02 - 37:02)
offices.

[Speaker 6] (37:02 - 37:06)
Yes, so we have Ted Dooley, Mike Gambale and uh Kevin.

[Speaker 6] (37:07 - 37:09)
Reid, of course.

[Speaker 6] (37:10 - 37:14)
Anybody wanna speak first? Or should we s Kevin, why don't we start with you maybe.

[Speaker 12] (37:30 - 37:44)
Thank you for uh having us here tonight. Just brief introduction. Ted Dooley. I'm on the Harbour Waterfront Advisory Committee. Observer needs no introduction. Um and Mike of Bali, my colleague on Harbour waterfront who is also a member of our commercial fishing fleet.

[Speaker 12] (37:45 - 38:07)
Um so I wanted to you know show up here tonight, appreciate you taking the time on two weeks agendas here to discuss this. Um so I wanted to come answer any questions you might have and I think one important thing to clarify since our last presentation on this, I know our committee met a few weeks ago and I think there is a couple things that I think would be helpful to clarify since um the initial presentation with you a few weeks ago.

[Speaker 12] (38:09 - 38:26)
Um first uh our committee revised some of the recommendations um to be a five a m to five p m um recreation sticker hours for the parking lot there um so they'd be cut off at five p m to allow for patrons of local businesses and other establishments in town to use the parking lot.

[Speaker 12] (38:27 - 38:35)
Um additionally there was a conversation about um the yacht club and the ability for the yacht club to have reserved parking there and that was a a

[Speaker 12] (38:35 - 38:50)
Revised from that was just to have a pass, a temporary rack sticker for employees of the launch for the yacht club who do not live in Swampscott of which there are several to be able to park their cars in the lot just like anybody else would with a rack sticker while they're on the clock.

[Speaker 12] (38:51 - 39:03)
So those are the two real revisions that I think have come since our last presentation in front of you this evening, but happy to answer any other questions and Mike here can probably answer questions that might pertain to the commercial fishing.

[Speaker 12] (39:03 - 39:04)
fishing fleet and anything along those lines.

[Speaker 9] (39:05 - 39:06)
Is it good?

[Speaker 9] (39:07 - 39:11)
Can you just clarify? I'm sorry I missed it. Ted, what was the first piece?

[Speaker 9] (39:11 - 39:13)
5 a.m. to 5 p.m.?

[Speaker 2] (39:13 - 39:14)
Rec only.

[Speaker 12] (39:14 - 39:15)
Rec sticker only.

[Speaker 9] (39:15 - 39:16)
Rec only.

[Speaker 12] (39:16 - 39:18)
But just with that those hours in mind.

[Speaker 10] (39:18 - 39:19)
Seven days a week or five

[Speaker 12] (39:19 - 39:19)
Seven

[Speaker 10] (39:19 - 39:19)
days a week?

[Speaker 12] (39:19 - 39:20)
seven days a week.

[Speaker 10] (39:20 - 39:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (39:21 - 39:22)
May through.

[Speaker 12] (39:22 - 39:22)
And seasonally

[Speaker 2] (39:22 - 39:23)
Oh, during the summer.

[Speaker 12] (39:23 - 39:26)
seasonally. So, same as um

[Speaker 6] (39:26 - 39:26)
Rec.

[Speaker 12] (39:26 - 39:26)
the

[Speaker 11] (39:26 - 39:27)
The rest of the world.

[Speaker 12] (39:27 - 39:29)
rec direct parking for the rest of town. It's what, May to

[Speaker 2] (39:29 - 39:30)
Like

[Speaker 12] (39:30 - 39:30)
October

[Speaker 2] (39:30 - 39:30)
Memorial Day i to

[Speaker 12] (39:30 - 39:30)
think.

[Speaker 2] (39:30 - 39:31)
October,

[Speaker 2] (39:31 - 39:31)
yep.

[Speaker 9] (39:31 - 39:37)
May 1st to October 1st is the recreation, is the current recreation sticker parking,

[Speaker 9] (39:37 - 39:42)
but the sticker is good for the entire year of that, just so you're aware.

[Speaker 2] (39:43 - 39:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (39:43 - 39:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (39:48 - 39:51)
Uh just one second, uh did you want to say anything additional?

[Speaker 4] (39:52 - 39:54)
I think that kind of covers most of it, um

[Speaker 3] (39:54 - 39:54)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (39:54 - 39:54)
uh

[Speaker 3] (39:54 - 39:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (39:55 - 40:12)
especially the conversation that that we had as a committee. Um I think I'd just want to did want to point out, I know this was a concern at the last meeting was ensuring the public's continued ability to use the lot and also access the beach. So you know, the conversation we're having here is on the lot with the forty ones parking spaces that are currently painted there. Um

[Speaker 1] (40:12 - 40:12)
Excuse me.

[Speaker 4] (40:12 - 40:29)
Meanwhile, our eighty one additional parking spots between Fuller Terrace and Cedar Hill, it would be unaffected by this. So we found that this was a good balance between um providing residence and uh fishermen the ability to use the lot while not uh disallowing other members of the public from other communities access to the features in that area.

[Speaker 1] (40:29 - 40:29)
Can we?

[Speaker 3] (40:32 - 40:41)
Okay, I'll take um comments from if you'd like to come up to the microphone you can make public comment on this topic and then we'll discuss.

[Speaker 3] (40:43 - 40:44)
Just state your name and your

[Speaker 1] (40:44 - 40:45)
Hi,

[Speaker 3] (40:45 - 40:45)
address.

[Speaker 1] (40:45 - 40:47)
Chris Schwartz, 33 Winshaw.

[Speaker 1] (40:48 - 40:51)
Is the rec sticker the same as a beach sticker,

[Speaker 1] (40:51 - 40:59)
or is it going to be the same? So it's all residents will have access to the parking area from 5 to 5 or 8.

[Speaker 1] (40:59 - 41:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (41:00 - 41:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (41:00 - 41:01)
Yep, that's all I was asking.

[Speaker 3] (41:01 - 41:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (41:02 - 41:02)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (41:05 - 41:06)
And I'm totally in support of it.

[Speaker 3] (41:09 - 41:13)
Okay, so um open it up to discussion by the board.

[Speaker 4] (41:14 - 41:17)
A a serene did remind me of one point that I was

[Speaker 3] (41:17 - 41:17)
Please.

[Speaker 4] (41:17 - 41:33)
uh neglected to mention, um which was the ability for anyone who has a boat that is moored in Swampscott and has their boat registration in Swampscott and pays the uh the use fee to the town of Swampscott for having a mooring would be eligible to purchase a rec sticker just like a resident would be.

[Speaker 4] (41:34 - 41:43)
One other facet that our committee did discuss and thinks would be useful for the town to consider is for um veterans to be eligible for a pre a free parking pass.

[Speaker 4] (41:43 - 41:45)
Um just as a consideration.

[Speaker 3] (41:47 - 41:54)
Um do you know how many numbers we're what numbers we're talking about how many more remote owners are not Swamp Start residents?

[Speaker 5] (41:55 - 42:12)
So there's uh there's roughly about a hundred and seventy five boats in the harbor. Um I believe it's between twenty and thirty non-resident boat owners. Um one of the things that we also did record recognize was um with Lieutenant Waters

[Speaker 5] (42:13 - 42:36)
As the harbormaster, when the mooring permits go out seasonally, that's something that we would be able to remedy on our end, making a pass specific for Fisherman's Beach lot so Okay. that it has the respect of the lot the ability to use the pier and access their boat without over indulging.

[Speaker 5] (42:37 - 42:39)
extracurriculars and other areas.

[Speaker 3] (42:39 - 42:43)
And how would the nonresident obtain through the

[Speaker 5] (42:43 - 42:46)
Well they they have to they have to apply through the harbormaster

[Speaker 3] (42:46 - 42:47)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 5] (42:47 - 42:49)
and register their boat just like they would a vehicle.

[Speaker 5] (42:50 - 42:55)
The vehicle the the registration sticker gets delivered every two years through the RMV.

[Speaker 5] (42:56 - 43:08)
Annually their mooring is registered in Swampscott. We handle the moorings. When the mooring permit goes out we'll be able to send a pass with that mooring specific for that year only.

[Speaker 3] (43:08 - 43:09)
Okay, but it

[Speaker 1] (43:09 - 43:09)
In

[Speaker 3] (43:09 - 43:09)
would

[Speaker 1] (43:09 - 43:09)
all

[Speaker 3] (43:09 - 43:09)
be an

[Speaker 1] (43:09 - 43:09)
boats.

[Speaker 3] (43:09 - 43:12)
additional fee or it would be included in the mooring fee?

[Speaker 5] (43:12 - 43:18)
I think that would be up to the harbormaster, I think, in discussing the annual mooring fees.

[Speaker 5] (43:18 - 43:23)
I know that they they do there is a potential that they increase over time depending

[Speaker 5] (43:24 - 43:32)
It's also dependent upon the size of the boat boats so the the fee for the per foot of boat

[Speaker 3] (43:32 - 43:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (43:32 - 43:33)
Um

[Speaker 3] (43:34 - 43:38)
Yeah, I was just thinking from an equity standpoint a Swampscott resident would have to buy both

[Speaker 6] (43:38 - 43:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (43:38 - 43:41)
pay for the mooring fee and the resident and the rec sticker,

[Speaker 3] (43:41 - 43:43)
so it would make sense to

[Speaker 5] (43:43 - 43:43)
I would

[Speaker 3] (43:43 - 43:44)
make Okay.

[Speaker 5] (43:44 - 43:44)
agree

[Speaker 5] (43:45 - 43:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (43:48 - 43:49)
I think you would find most of

[Speaker 4] (43:49 - 43:51)
Our members would probably agree with that as well.

[Speaker 3] (43:51 - 43:52)
Okay, very good.

[Speaker 3] (43:53 - 43:56)
All right, then so I guess just to recap what's on the table.

[Speaker 3] (43:57 - 44:01)
We've already approved the recreation parking signs going up in the lot.

[Speaker 3] (44:01 - 44:01)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 3] (44:02 - 44:05)
we approved last time the do not enter signs being.

[Speaker 3] (44:06 - 44:07)
better displayed in the lot.

[Speaker 3] (44:08 - 44:17)
So what we are looking to vote to support today would be recreational parking signs to be installed, which would state seven days a week, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

[Speaker 5] (44:17 - 44:17)
Seven,

[Speaker 3] (44:17 - 44:18)
May one

[Speaker 5] (44:18 - 44:18)
five to five.

[Speaker 7] (44:18 - 44:18)
Five,

[Speaker 8] (44:18 - 44:19)
to five.

[Speaker 7] (44:19 - 44:19)
five

[Speaker 3] (44:19 - 44:20)
Oh, what did I say? Seven, sorry.

[Speaker 7] (44:20 - 44:20)
a.m. to five

[Speaker 3] (44:20 - 44:21)
5

[Speaker 7] (44:21 - 44:21)
p.m.

[Speaker 3] (44:21 - 44:25)
a.m. to 5 p.m. May 1st to October 1st.

[Speaker 3] (44:27 - 44:30)
There is still a request for a designated spot for the Harvest Master.

[Speaker 4] (44:30 - 44:31)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (44:31 - 44:46)
Okay? There would be a temporary employee pass to be given to the Swansea Yacht Club with approval by the harbormaster and the police department for an employee that would rotate between employees as necessary.

[Speaker 3] (44:48 - 44:50)
So commercial fishermen,

[Speaker 3] (44:50 - 44:51)
do they already...

[Speaker 3] (44:52 - 44:58)
If I mean I assume they register a boat and have a mooring so they would be part of that conversation we were just talking about, is that correct?

[Speaker 4] (44:58 - 45:03)
That's right. And Mike can speak to this little more, but they also have deckhands. That's probably not the right term, but

[Speaker 5] (45:03 - 45:04)
Yeah, no it's right term, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (45:04 - 45:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (45:05 - 45:06)
Um I.

[Speaker 3] (45:06 - 45:06)
Look at you.

[Speaker 9] (45:06 - 45:07)
Uh yes, we um

[Speaker 1] (45:08 - 45:12)
Um, with it, with it very early in the morning anyway. So it it's really a non-issue for us.

[Speaker 3] (45:12 - 45:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (45:13 - 45:21)
And and uh the commercial fishermen support this. It it it doesn't encroach upon our inherent rights to the reservation at this time.

[Speaker 3] (45:21 - 45:21)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (45:21 - 45:23)
So we have no objection to it.

[Speaker 3] (45:23 - 45:25)
Appreciate that. Uh

[Speaker 4] (45:25 - 45:28)
But is there a desire for the deckhands who might need a parking spot to make

[Speaker 1] (45:28 - 45:29)
Oh yes. It some

[Speaker 4] (45:29 - 45:30)
that mechanism?

[Speaker 1] (45:30 - 45:34)
of the yeah some of the um uh good point, um uh fellas have

[Speaker 1] (45:34 - 45:38)
Deckhands are workers who may not be residents.

[Speaker 1] (45:39 - 45:46)
There's got to be some consideration so that they can come down there. But we discussed this, didn't we, and we could give them a temporary

[Speaker 4] (45:46 - 45:47)
Yeah, and if they have the ability

[Speaker 1] (45:47 - 45:47)
pass

[Speaker 4] (45:47 - 45:47)
to

[Speaker 1] (45:47 - 45:47)
for free.

[Speaker 4] (45:47 - 45:52)
prove their employment with the town or something through one of the commercial boats registered,

[Speaker 4] (45:52 - 45:55)
I'm sure that's something that would be worked out on the back end,

[Speaker 4] (45:56 - 45:56)
but

[Speaker 3] (45:56 - 45:56)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (45:56 - 45:57)
that was just one other consideration.

[Speaker 3] (45:57 - 45:57)
I would ask

[Speaker 5] (45:57 - 45:58)
a question.

[Speaker 3] (45:58 - 45:58)
please.

[Speaker 4] (45:58 - 45:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (46:01 - 46:07)
I understand the intent of all this, but I do feel like it's starting to feel a little over engineered.

[Speaker 4] (46:08 - 46:13)
I mean, I'm down there 100 days a year,

[Speaker 4] (46:13 - 46:24)
especially in the morning and maybe this is where you're going about like the deck hands, like you're getting there four, five, six in the morning, like there's plenty of parking spots, like it's not an issue.

[Speaker 1] (46:24 - 46:26)
It's not an issue for us, no.

[Speaker 4] (46:26 - 46:26)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (46:27 - 46:32)
So I'm curious about the five to five, why those hours were picked.

[Speaker 4] (46:32 - 46:35)
And I mean, frankly,

[Speaker 4] (46:35 - 46:40)
I almost never see that parking lot full, except when there's big events,

[Speaker 4] (46:40 - 46:46)
you know, it's, and I have to admit I'm down there usually before 9am.

[Speaker 4] (46:46 - 46:48)
So maybe it happens later in the day.

[Speaker 4] (46:48 - 46:52)
But it just feels like this is getting to be like

[Speaker 5] (46:53 - 46:54)
A real thing.

[Speaker 4] (46:55 - 47:05)
I'd be happy to bring you down there most days of the summer when it's entirely full and many of us in the boating community who pay our mooring fees aren't able to park there so I think that is something that is

[Speaker 4] (47:06 - 47:14)
A frustration is that when we're paying a use fee for what is a reservation dedicated to fishing and boating recreationally and commercially,

[Speaker 4] (47:14 - 47:22)
we're not able to access the harbour most of the time during the summer seasons when we're paying to use the harbour.

[Speaker 4] (47:22 - 47:24)
So that's where the impetus of this really came.

[Speaker 4] (47:24 - 47:29)
In addition to the long-term parking that commercial vehicles are currently engaging in on that lot,

[Speaker 4] (47:29 - 47:33)
that I'm sure the police department can talk about the number of calls they get on that.

[Speaker 4] (47:33 - 47:59)
and the number of long-term parking uh that occurs there. That was the impetus of the conversation. The five a.m. the five p.m. came up at our last meeting in an effort to be um recognising the concerns of of your board that was mentioned about not over um casting too wide of a net and really to allow for better use of the uh of the lot during off hours for the commercial businesses that are in the area.

[Speaker 4] (47:59 - 48:01)
I appreciate that part.

[Speaker 4] (48:02 - 48:29)
And I have to say like we could we can debate about the reservation and the boating and the fishing and whether or not you park in the street or in the lot or you know why is it if people get to the beach by 10 o'clock like then you know we should be you know holding all those spots empty you know all day long so the boater can come at four o'clock I mean it's just there's there's there's countervailing interests here that I'm concerned about yeah I take your point about there's 80

[Speaker 10] (48:29 - 48:30)
80 spots on the street, you know,

[Speaker 1] (48:30 - 48:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (48:30 - 48:37)
okay, what other beach people without a boat, you know, let them walk. I I mean I just don't quite know if we're getting the balance right.

[Speaker 4] (48:37 - 48:53)
And we're talking about boaters here 'cause that's one of the concerns that we had, but we're not suggesting that this lot should only be used by boaters. We're really suggesting it's anybody who is a boater who's from out of Swampscott and any resident of Swampscott who wishes to purchase a rec pass should use the lot.

[Speaker 4] (48:53 - 49:02)
We're not suggesting that they shouldn't, but the frustration that a lot of people have is that when they go to the lot and they are a voter and they're paying a use fee there in the middle of the summer,

[Speaker 4] (49:02 - 49:03)
they're not able to find a spot.

[Speaker 4] (49:03 - 49:10)
And that is something that residents and people who are not residents who pay to moor their boats here have voiced to our committee for two years.

[Speaker 4] (49:11 - 49:11)
So what

[Speaker 10] (49:11 - 49:11)
I think

[Speaker 4] (49:11 - 49:12)
we thought

[Speaker 10] (49:12 - 49:12)
that was said,

[Speaker 4] (49:12 - 49:12)
was

[Speaker 10] (49:12 - 49:16)
I just don't quite understand how what you're saying is going to help.

[Speaker 10] (49:16 - 49:20)
I mean, if people get there at nine o'clock and they're just using the beach...

[Speaker 10] (49:19 - 49:26)
and they got rec stickers, it's all gonna be full anyway. I mean if you come later and you're a boater, you're still not gonna have a spot.

[Speaker 5] (49:26 - 49:30)
But most most boaters are gonna now have to purchase a rec sticker.

[Speaker 10] (49:31 - 49:32)
I understand that.

[Speaker 5] (49:32 - 49:32)
And what

[Speaker 10] (49:32 - 49:34)
It's not that they it's still guarantee them a spot though.

[Speaker 5] (49:34 - 49:38)
but it's but it's also going to fall under the same

[Speaker 1] (49:46 - 50:03)
And it's going to be continuity and it's going to be simpatico with with the other areas when there's an abundance amount of park and rides commercial vehicles that come in and acquire the spots and utilize them to which

[Speaker 1] (50:04 - 50:11)
The residents then are looking to get there and go about their day in their business with the lot.

[Speaker 1] (50:12 - 50:15)
To echo what Mr. Dooley is saying,

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:20)
it creates a level of frustration on the end where most of the boat owners,

[Speaker 1] (50:20 - 50:23)
all of the boat owners are paying for accessibility there.

[Speaker 1] (50:24 - 50:32)
This is just an extra level of opportunity to continue their accessibility to access the lot.

[Speaker 1] (50:35 - 50:41)
I understand the level of detail that you're inquiring about.

[Speaker 1] (50:42 - 50:43)
However,

[Speaker 1] (50:43 - 50:53)
it is an area that requires a significant amount of flexibility with the workers and their rights accessing the pier and the beach.

[Speaker 1] (50:53 - 50:57)
I think the burden is being placed upon

[Speaker 1] (50:59 - 51:08)
myself in the harbour unit to monitor the non-residents with their moorings. There's no extra majority of work that's going out.

[Speaker 1] (51:08 - 51:24)
We're now creating an access to monitor the vehicles that are there and just thinking right now off the top of my head if there is an emergency if somebody who does go out we now have a record of their vehicle being in there right off the bat with their sticker.

[Speaker 1] (51:25 - 51:40)
They're monitored, the lot can be maintained and enforced by the police department and the some of the amendments that were made are now being accommodating to the local businesses.

[Speaker 1] (51:41 - 51:51)
I don't see it as a detriment and as the conduit for the gentleman here to my left we were just broaching this subject because we felt that it would bring

[Speaker 1] (51:51 - 51:59)
continuity, some balance, some structure and an ability to keep moving forward on on maintaining the order of the lot.

[Speaker 2] (52:01 - 52:08)
You may not be aware that it's also an overflow for the train station.

[Speaker 2] (52:08 - 52:17)
We have commuter parkers that four or five park every morning get in a car car, drive down to the train station, come back at 4.30.

[Speaker 2] (52:18 - 52:19)
It's happening.

[Speaker 2] (52:19 - 52:20)
Mr.

[Speaker 2] (52:20 - 52:21)
Ingalls has a picture.

[Speaker 2] (52:21 - 52:24)
You probably have seen it. Last week you took it at 930 in the morning.

[Speaker 2] (52:24 - 52:25)
The parking lot was full.

[Speaker 2] (52:25 - 52:26)
Out of space at 930,

[Speaker 2] (52:26 - 52:28)
not a bather on the beach.

[Speaker 2] (52:29 - 52:38)
So the property is not being used for the reason, the purpose it was taken by eminent domain in 1904, as it were.

[Speaker 2] (52:38 - 52:39)
I read it.

[Speaker 2] (52:40 - 52:44)
It said that the property will be taken by the town for.

[Speaker 2] (52:45 - 52:46)
Commercial fishing,

[Speaker 2] (52:47 - 52:50)
boating, bathers, and resident citizens of Swampscott.

[Speaker 2] (52:51 - 52:52)
It's cut and dry.

[Speaker 2] (52:53 - 52:56)
So we're just trying to get in line with the rest of the communities.

[Speaker 3] (52:57 - 52:59)
And I understand what you're saying,

[Speaker 3] (52:59 - 53:10)
Doug. I don't think we're trying to be unreasonable. That's why we tried to come back and tailor some of the amendments that are made here tonight to address some of the concerns that your board vocalized two weeks ago and respect those concerns.

[Speaker 3] (53:10 - 53:23)
And that's really why we met a couple weeks ago to try and find a way that we could find a middle ground that would help to address the concerns that this board voiced while also vocalizing the opinions that our board has and have been expressed to us.

[Speaker 2] (53:23 - 53:23)
us.

[Speaker 4] (53:25 - 53:25)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (53:28 - 53:31)
We'll move on. Does anybody else have any questions? And then Doug, So we can

[Speaker 5] (53:31 - 53:32)
I don't have a question, I just have a comment.

[Speaker 5] (53:33 - 53:36)
So this was a unanimous decision by Harbor Waterfront.

[Speaker 5] (53:36 - 53:41)
All nine members did unanimously vote this. I was at the meeting last week, I was part of it.

[Speaker 5] (53:42 - 53:43)
And I don't quite see,

[Speaker 5] (53:43 - 53:45)
I don't see how it could be a detriment.

[Speaker 5] (53:46 - 53:56)
But I mean I do agree to Kevin's point that it is in line with what we're doing at the other beaches so I don't know why fishermen's would be different. To me it seems like we'd be helping fishermen,

[Speaker 5] (53:57 - 54:06)
the yacht club and the residents of Swampscott. So I don't see it as a I don't see a negative here, but that's just you know my my personal thought.

[Speaker 5] (54:06 - 54:11)
I know it is kind of it's something we've never done right so it's a new thing it's a change but I think it's a change for the good.

[Speaker 5] (54:12 - 54:14)
Um, so that's just, that's my take.

[Speaker 6] (54:15 - 54:16)
Do we stick with that?

[Speaker 3] (54:16 - 54:22)
So I just, I just had a quick question for Officer Reen just about the overnight, overnight parking.

[Speaker 2] (54:22 - 54:22)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (54:22 - 54:22)
You know,

[Speaker 2] (54:22 - 54:23)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (54:23 - 54:26)
if you have a, if I have a recreation sticker,

[Speaker 3] (54:26 - 54:30)
I can park overnight and leave my vehicle at Fisher,

[Speaker 3] (54:30 - 54:31)
in the Fisherman's Beach parking lot?

[Speaker 1] (54:31 - 54:31)
Well, it,

[Speaker 1] (54:31 - 54:37)
which is why the committee amended the time from 5 a.m. to 5 p.m. So after 5 p.m.

[Speaker 1] (54:38 - 54:39)
You don't need a sticker.

[Speaker 3] (54:39 - 54:40)
No, understood,

[Speaker 3] (54:40 - 54:43)
but there's but there's still a problem with long term parking with

[Speaker 1] (54:43 - 54:43)
Of course,

[Speaker 3] (54:43 - 54:44)
with

[Speaker 1] (54:44 - 54:44)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (54:44 - 54:54)
with residents and non residents leaving their vehicles at Fisherman's Beach for extended periods of time and going going wherever going on vacation,

[Speaker 3] (54:54 - 54:55)
what have you.

[Speaker 3] (54:55 - 54:56)
So how do we free up those spots?

[Speaker 3] (54:56 - 55:00)
How do we enforce that overnight that overnight parking to

[Speaker 1] (55:00 - 55:01)
Well, if

[Speaker 3] (55:01 - 55:06)
ensure that that the parking does in fact turn over for the voters for the residents.

[Speaker 2] (55:06 - 55:07)
It's for

[Speaker 1] (55:07 - 55:07)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (55:07 - 55:07)
the business.

[Speaker 1] (55:07 - 55:10)
if there's to

[Speaker 1] (55:14 - 55:19)
be able to, so if I could just clarify your question again,

[Speaker 1] (55:20 - 55:24)
a vehicle parked outside of these hours leading overnight,

[Speaker 1] (55:24 - 55:31)
what would our enforcement be for those, we wouldn't have enforcement on those vehicles because the restriction would

[Speaker 1] (55:32 - 55:36)
eliminate us from monitoring the lot after 5 p.m.

[Speaker 3] (55:36 - 55:36)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (55:37 - 55:41)
And one of the reasons that was so that we could accommodate the businesses in the area.

[Speaker 5] (55:42 - 55:42)
But

[Speaker 1] (55:42 - 55:42)
If

[Speaker 5] (55:42 - 55:44)
you're asking how the how we could afford

[Speaker 1] (55:44 - 55:44)
if

[Speaker 2] (55:44 - 55:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (55:44 - 55:44)
for

[Speaker 2] (55:44 - 55:45)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (55:45 - 55:45)
we

[Speaker 4] (55:45 - 55:45)
example to

[Speaker 1] (55:45 - 55:45)
we

[Speaker 4] (55:45 - 55:46)
could, for example,

[Speaker 1] (55:46 - 55:46)
we would if we would

[Speaker 4] (55:46 - 55:47)
say no

[Speaker 1] (55:47 - 55:47)
make

[Speaker 4] (55:47 - 55:47)
overnight parking.

[Speaker 1] (55:47 - 55:51)
you could put signs in there that say overnight parking. Absolutely. That's a

[Speaker 3] (55:51 - 55:51)
And

[Speaker 1] (55:51 - 55:51)
good

[Speaker 3] (55:51 - 55:56)
so would that be, would that also be a rec re a recommendation of the Swampscott Police Department to per to

[Speaker 5] (55:56 - 55:56)
To

[Speaker 3] (55:56 - 55:56)
protect

[Speaker 5] (55:56 - 55:56)
curtail

[Speaker 3] (55:56 - 55:56)
to

[Speaker 5] (55:56 - 55:57)
that problem.

[Speaker 3] (55:57 - 55:57)
yeah to

[Speaker 3] (55:58 - 55:59)
to remedy that issue.

[Speaker 2] (56:00 - 56:00)
Hmm?

[Speaker 4] (56:01 - 56:04)
Is that enforceable if we put a sign up that says no overnight parking?

[Speaker 1] (56:04 - 56:08)
Yes. It would be enforceable by citation and fines,

[Speaker 4] (56:08 - 56:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (56:08 - 56:17)
and that would then just carry over to, for that, if it's that lot specific, it would have to designate the appropriate detail, no overnight parking lot,

[Speaker 1] (56:17 - 56:18)
and

[Speaker 5] (56:18 - 56:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (56:18 - 56:20)
we would have to stipulate hours. What is overnight?

[Speaker 5] (56:21 - 56:21)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (56:21 - 56:27)
We, there is context as one hour after sunset to one hour before daybreak.

[Speaker 1] (56:28 - 56:31)
Are we or are we saying midnight to 5 a.m.? I mean, that it

[Speaker 5] (56:31 - 56:32)
That's what they

[Speaker 1] (56:32 - 56:37)
would just be an extra topic that we would be willing to discuss,

[Speaker 1] (56:37 - 56:37)
I guess.

[Speaker 4] (56:37 - 56:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (56:38 - 56:40)
I just wanted to, Mary Ellen's online,

[Speaker 4] (56:40 - 56:43)
if you could recognize her,

[Speaker 4] (56:43 - 56:43)
Diane.

[Speaker 4] (56:43 - 56:45)
I don't know. She can probably just speak at this point.

[Speaker 7] (56:46 - 56:47)
All right, can you hear me?

[Speaker 4] (56:47 - 56:48)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 7] (56:49 - 56:50)
Um, so,

[Speaker 7] (56:50 - 56:53)
hold on, I put my hand down.

[Speaker 7] (56:54 - 56:54)
Um,

[Speaker 7] (56:55 - 56:58)
I think the biggest concern I have is the,

[Speaker 7] (56:59 - 57:11)
there's a couple concerns I have is one is the hours 5 a.m. to 5 p.m. I don't really see any reason to have it till 5 p.m. especially if you have a restaurant or different businesses there.

[Speaker 7] (57:11 - 57:13)
I think that making it till 3 is fine.

[Speaker 7] (57:13 - 57:18)
I happen to be there this morning for an hour and a half and half the lot was empty.

[Speaker 7] (57:19 - 57:19)
Um,

[Speaker 7] (57:19 - 57:22)
and I'm not in the area now, so I don't know what it looks like now,

[Speaker 7] (57:22 - 57:33)
but my biggest concern is that a non-resident, a non-taxpayer who takes out a mooring, and you're not guaranteed access to the parking lot,

[Speaker 7] (57:33 - 57:41)
you're guaranteed a mooring, so a non-resident gets a mooring and now they have a parking pass,

[Speaker 7] (57:41 - 57:43)
whereas a resident

[Speaker 7] (57:44 - 58:06)
could lose out on being able to go to that beach and to be able to use the beach and what sets that beach apart from all the other beaches is the accessibility especially for disabled people and the accessibility for people that have very small children especially if it's a single adult coming to manage their children so

[Speaker 7] (58:07 - 58:12)
I am completely against giving any passes to non-residents.

[Speaker 7] (58:12 - 58:15)
As far as the fishermen go,

[Speaker 7] (58:15 - 58:21)
fishermen are there in the morning and as far as deckhands, just like Mr. Gombali said,

[Speaker 7] (58:21 - 58:25)
the early morning parking doesn't seem to be an issue for the commercial fishermen.

[Speaker 7] (58:25 - 58:27)
So those are my concerns.

[Speaker 2] (58:28 - 58:29)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (58:29 - 58:30)
Thank you, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 2] (58:31 - 58:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (58:33 - 58:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (58:33 - 58:37)
I think to some degree if I think

[Speaker 4] (58:37 - 58:37)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (58:37 - 58:57)
to some degree Mary Ellen's maybe expressing more precisely what I was saying earlier can you explain just a little bit more you're thinking about the hours the precise hours that you chose given the fact that super early isn't probably I don't think that I don't think anyone would claim that the lot is full at 7 a.m.

[Speaker 3] (58:57 - 59:02)
Um, you know, or is it you're afraid that because even if someone parks there at six uh

[Speaker 1] (59:03 - 59:09)
But if then it's recreation sticker at seven they're going to be hosed if they're off at work all day right so is

[Speaker 3] (59:09 - 59:10)
Yeah, I the

[Speaker 1] (59:10 - 59:12)
there particular thinking around the hours?

[Speaker 3] (59:12 - 59:32)
five to five was really in an effort so we didn't have any unintended negative consequences of doing this on the commercial fisherman or their their deckhand. So if they you know if we do this and then miraculously the lot is full at when they come on somebody comes into work at six or seven one day we wouldn't want to have an unintended negative consequence.

[Speaker 3] (59:32 - 59:34)
on the commercial fishing fleet.

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:40)
I think Mike might ha might be able to shed some light at we're totally amenable to changing the hours if that's,

[Speaker 1] (59:41 - 59:49)
you know, amenable to Mike speaking on behalf of some of his colleagues in the harbour and to this committee. Um but that was the reasoning why we structured it in that way.

[Speaker 1] (59:52 - 59:53)
And 3 p.m. versus 5 p.m. I don't

[Speaker 1] (59:55 - 59:59)
I don't think that's a a sticking point for our committee. If that's something that your board is more palatable to,

[Speaker 2] (59:59 - 1:00:04)
I I don't really know what the point of the three P_M_ is from five P_M_ I don't understand the difference.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:04 - 1:00:06)
Well, I mean I obviously understand the difference in time,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:06 - 1:00:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:06 - 1:00:07)
but I just don't understand the effect.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:07 - 1:00:08)
No of course, but I think

[Speaker 2] (1:00:08 - 1:00:09)
I don't know what where.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:09 - 1:00:13)
I think for example if you, you know maybe we're going to a d go ahead, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:14 - 1:00:33)
There's a there's a restaurant across the street they start serving at four so that's that's the point if somebody's starting to serve they need more access I mean generally by five o'clock off in the parking lot people are leaving going home I don't say I rather see it shorter just to help out any businesses than having it longer

[Speaker 2] (1:00:34 - 1:00:44)
I mean, it just seems to be a lot of parking spots in front of Nordhaven or whatever restaurant is right there that wouldn't be if I mean it can only hold probably twenty people, so I don't know that you know. I

[Speaker 5] (1:00:44 - 1:00:46)
And just there's not gonna be a rush of

[Speaker 2] (1:00:46 - 1:00:46)
No.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:46 - 1:00:48)
of yeah of diners at four P_M_ each.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:48 - 1:00:50)
Yeah. I that's just my take.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:50 - 1:00:51)
So me maybe

[Speaker 1] (1:00:52 - 1:01:06)
4 p.m. might be a better hour. We're we're amenable to that. I think what we're most concerned with is ensuring that this year we have a concrete step they're able to take to ensure that this parking lot is more accessible to residents and to those who use the harbour for commercial or recreational purposes.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:06 - 1:01:07)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:07 - 1:01:09)
So if 4 p.m. is more amenable to your board.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:10 - 1:01:12)
Let's take that step and see how it works.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
then we'll

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
is that

[Speaker 1] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
revisit

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:14)
does

[Speaker 1] (1:01:14 - 1:01:14)
that this next year.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:14 - 1:01:37)
so does that help the fishermen does that solve your problem does that solve the Yacht Club's problem and does that does that that is because that's the goal of this right is to make sure that the fishermen have their access the Yacht Club and the mooring people the people with moorings have access and our residents have access to the beach right so are we checking all these boxes does this time frame check all those boxes

[Speaker 2] (1:01:39 - 1:01:39)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:39 - 1:01:45)
I ooh I don't have a problem with it. Um it it really again t really doesn't affect us. We're there so early

[Speaker 3] (1:01:45 - 1:01:45)
Wait.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:45 - 1:01:52)
and l usually done by then anyways. Um I think it's more designed just to bring it back to where it

[Speaker 6] (1:01:53 - 1:01:54)
Or it was supposed to be from the beginning.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:54 - 1:01:55)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:55 - 1:01:57)
We had stick-a-pocking there. For many,

[Speaker 6] (1:01:57 - 1:02:01)
many years there was stick-a-pocking there. You don't remember it because you weren't here probably,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:01 - 1:02:06)
but you know, it's just, it's just, whether it's four, whether it's five, we have street parking.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:07 - 1:02:08)
I went to a restaurant in Ipswich.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:08 - 1:02:11)
I had an Uber from where I parked my car to get to the restaurant.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:12 - 1:02:14)
You know, I have sympathy,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:14 - 1:02:21)
but you have to really understand that that was not the purpose of the reservation when it was taken by eminent domain.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:21 - 1:02:24)
I mean, I can't make myself any clearer than that,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:24 - 1:02:24)
in

[Speaker 2] (1:02:24 - 1:02:25)
Totally. I understand.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:25 - 1:02:29)
the strong language that suggests this. So, you know, I don't have

[Speaker 2] (1:02:29 - 1:02:29)
We

[Speaker 6] (1:02:29 - 1:02:29)
a problem

[Speaker 2] (1:02:29 - 1:02:30)
want to honour

[Speaker 6] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
with four

[Speaker 2] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
that.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
o'clock,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
five o'clock.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:30 - 1:02:38)
I understand what you're saying. Kevin, do you can you speak to why it was ever why it was no longer sticker required or what

[Speaker 6] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
how

[Speaker 6] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
can't.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
that came about?

[Speaker 7] (1:02:38 - 1:02:41)
I would refer to Mike because that happened well before I started.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:41 - 1:02:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:42 - 1:02:48)
Fishermen. There was a reign of fishermen at the time that would not allow it.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:48 - 1:02:50)
They put their foot down.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:50 - 1:02:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:50 - 1:02:53)
They they it was their reservation.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:54 - 1:03:01)
There was a time when there was no parking and I'm going back to the 80s when it was full of free straps year-round.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:01 - 1:03:07)
So there was a regime that wouldn't allow it. They fought it tooth and nail every time.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:07 - 1:03:13)
I wasn't one of them but they're gone now and I think this is the right thing to do.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:14 - 1:03:16)
For the residents of Swampscott.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:16 - 1:03:17)
Thank you for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:17 - 1:03:17)
And the only

[Speaker 6] (1:03:17 - 1:03:18)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:18 - 1:03:21)
other point I'll make is two quick points.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:22 - 1:03:24)
The overnight parking in

[Speaker 1] (1:03:25 - 1:03:40)
That came up. That was discussed by our our committee. There's a lot of boaters, myself included, who take their boat away for a night or two nights. Um so having the no overnight parking i on paper sounds like a good idea, but I again I go back to the unintended consequences.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:41 - 1:03:49)
Uh we would hate to have an unintended consequence of this be somebody takes their boat away for two days or for an overnight to wherever and their their car

[Speaker 2] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
gets towed.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:49 - 1:03:51)
and you get a ticket or something for having

[Speaker 1] (1:03:51 - 1:03:51)
You

[Speaker 2] (1:03:51 - 1:03:51)
your car

[Speaker 1] (1:03:51 - 1:03:51)
know.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:51 - 1:03:52)
parked there.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:51 - 1:03:52)
There.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:52 - 1:03:56)
The last point I'll make, harbour waterfront has not always agreed unanimously on a lot of things,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:56 - 1:03:56)
I agree with

[Speaker 1] (1:03:56 - 1:03:56)
but this

[Speaker 2] (1:03:56 - 1:03:56)
that.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:56 - 1:03:58)
Daniel, right, you know first-hand.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:58 - 1:04:03)
We we did agree unanimously on this, and uh with our full-throated support,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:03 - 1:04:03)
so.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:03 - 1:04:04)
That speaks for itself, yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:04 - 1:04:06)
Yeah, I would just um

[Speaker 3] (1:04:07 - 1:04:14)
I would echo this, that this has been a collaborative conversation and it's been wonderful to have you guys participate with us and work through,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:15 - 1:04:19)
nobody came here knowing all the answers and everyone's been open

[Speaker 2] (1:04:19 - 1:04:19)
Yes...

[Speaker 3] (1:04:19 - 1:04:24)
to the fact that people's ideas may come up might make the situation better.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:24 - 1:04:34)
No matter how we vote tonight, I would encourage that this is not the last time we have this conversation. We revisit it in a month or two months and see if what we did was working.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:35 - 1:04:39)
Because if we should be talking about no overnight parking,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:39 - 1:04:41)
then maybe it should come to the table then.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:41 - 1:04:46)
Or if the unintended consequences, you know, are something we didn't foresee,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:46 - 1:04:49)
we should just make sure we're continuing the conversation.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:49 - 1:04:50)
Mm-hmm. Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:50 - 1:04:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:51 - 1:04:51)
Agreed.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:52 - 1:04:52)
Excellent.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:53 - 1:04:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:53 - 1:04:57)
Kate, I would like to, I'd just like to know what people's feeling,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:57 - 1:05:01)
I am just very much against a non-resident.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:01 - 1:05:04)
being given a parking pass over there or

[Speaker 2] (1:05:04 - 1:05:05)
Nobody's

[Speaker 4] (1:05:05 - 1:05:05)
potentially

[Speaker 2] (1:05:05 - 1:05:06)
being given anything though.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:09 - 1:05:11)
a resident losing a spot there.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:11 - 1:05:12)
That's my issue.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:12 - 1:05:15)
I think if you're a non-resident and you have a mooring, that's nice,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:15 - 1:05:17)
but I think this has to stay with residents.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:17 - 1:05:20)
I don't know how that's any different from what we do today,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:20 - 1:05:20)
Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:20 - 1:05:28)
because it's not stickered and so anybody could park there and take a privilege that I have with a rec sticker and park in a spot that I would park in today.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:28 - 1:05:29)
So I'm not...

[Speaker 4] (1:05:29 - 1:05:32)
Right, but now you're saying, okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:32 - 1:05:35)
now it's going to be an enforceable issue.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:35 - 1:05:39)
Yeah, but they still have to buy a sticker. It's not like we're giving it to them for free.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:40 - 1:05:43)
They still have to, even though they have a mooring, they'd have to buy a sticker, correct?

[Speaker 3] (1:05:43 - 1:05:43)
That's right.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:43 - 1:05:44)
Right, so it's

[Speaker 3] (1:05:44 - 1:05:44)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:05:44 - 1:05:45)
not like we're giving them away.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:45 - 1:05:51)
In the out of town mooring fees are two dollars per foot higher than resident rates, so they're paying a

[Speaker 2] (1:05:51 - 1:05:51)
Right. So they're

[Speaker 1] (1:05:51 - 1:05:52)
slightly

[Speaker 2] (1:05:52 - 1:05:52)
paying a

[Speaker 1] (1:05:52 - 1:05:52)
higher

[Speaker 2] (1:05:52 - 1:05:52)
premium

[Speaker 1] (1:05:52 - 1:05:52)
rate.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:52 - 1:05:54)
anyway, because they're not a resident.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:59 - 1:06:04)
Okay, so I think does anybody have any additional questions or points?

[Speaker 3] (1:06:05 - 1:06:05)
Concerns

[Speaker 2] (1:06:05 - 1:06:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:05 - 1:06:06)
or praise?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:07 - 1:06:07)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:07 - 1:06:11)
Alright, then I will um entertain a motion if anybody has one.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:12 - 1:06:19)
I will make a motion to approve the parking restrictions for Fisherman's Beach as listed by Officer Rean.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:21 - 1:06:22)
I'll second that motion.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:22 - 1:06:23)
All those in favour?

[Speaker 5] (1:06:24 - 1:06:24)
I.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:24 - 1:06:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:24 - 1:06:26)
Aye. Opposed?

[Speaker 5] (1:06:29 - 1:06:29)
Is

[Speaker 3] (1:06:29 - 1:06:29)
Abstained?

[Speaker 5] (1:06:29 - 1:06:33)
since we're doing it all together I guess I'm opposed. There's pieces I like, pieces I don't. So, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:34 - 1:06:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:35 - 1:06:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:35 - 1:06:36)
Mary Ellen, would you like to reflect a vote?

[Speaker 4] (1:06:39 - 1:06:40)
Do you want me to wait?

[Speaker 4] (1:06:40 - 1:06:41)
I said I please

[Speaker 3] (1:06:41 - 1:06:41)
Oh, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:41 - 1:06:48)
put a note next to my name that I just don't like giving passes out to non-residents.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:48 - 1:06:53)
So I'm sorry, because your phone cut out so we could not hear you voted in the affirmative, correct?

[Speaker 3] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:54 - 1:06:54)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:54 - 1:06:55)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:56 - 1:07:06)
Alright, so four to one we have voted to pass those recommendations and um Diane, as you are very good at this, if you could make a note in a couple of months to circle back and we will

[Speaker 2] (1:07:06 - 1:07:07)
Doing that right now.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:07 - 1:07:08)
thank you. And

[Speaker 1] (1:07:08 - 1:07:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
you're very welcome.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:07:09 - 1:07:10)
Thank you. you all for joining us.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:10 - 1:07:11)
Thank you guys for coming

[Speaker 5] (1:07:11 - 1:07:11)
Thanks

[Speaker 2] (1:07:11 - 1:07:12)
and everybody. thank you for the discussion.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:13 - 1:07:20)
Um we also have um a lot of folks here to speak on the next agenda item so I will take the next one, but

[Speaker 3] (1:07:21 - 1:07:38)
For after the next agenda item, I've been asked to move the consent agenda uh forward because we have a couple people who are waiting to speak on that, some items on the consent agenda. So we'll take discussion and possible vote to allow the chair to sign the settlement agreement between school resource officer Brian Wilson and the town of Swanscott.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:39 - 1:07:41)
Um we have the chief here.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:42 - 1:07:48)
And others, you need some microphone to just sort of explain. Thank you, Marian.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:56 - 1:07:57)
Chief, if you wouldn't mind.

[Speaker 5] (1:07:57 - 1:07:58)
Sure. Good evening. Thanks everyone.

[Speaker 5] (1:07:59 - 1:08:04)
First off, thank you for recognizing our officers. There's a lot of hard work done with the demonstration this weekend.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:04 - 1:08:05)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:05 - 1:08:07)
17 officers staffed the event.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:07 - 1:08:13)
We just want to thank the over 600 people in our residence for everyone being on the best behavior.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:13 - 1:08:17)
And there was a lot of work done behind the scenes to get that ready.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:17 - 1:08:19)
So kudos to Sergeant Steve Locke.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:20 - 1:08:24)
Um so to speak about the canine settlement,

[Speaker 5] (1:08:24 - 1:08:45)
this is an agreement between the schools and and the town. I can't necessarily speak for the schools, uh but I have been involved in the settlement. Just to give a little background story, little bit of background. Uh the comfort canine Sura was initiated in October of twenty two.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:46 - 1:08:51)
And that was an agreement between the then town administrator,

[Speaker 5] (1:08:51 - 1:08:51)
myself,

[Speaker 5] (1:08:51 - 1:08:56)
and Superintendent Angelakis with the schools.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:59 - 1:09:27)
saying that they would fund the the cost of a comfort dog and then I know Officer Wilson can speak more on this but they went through training the comfort dog itself was Sora was $5,000 in addition to the training that she has received there's been a lot of training so it came to the attention our attention that we should be compensating

[Speaker 5] (1:09:28 - 1:09:29)
Oscar Wilson for

[Speaker 1] (1:09:29 - 1:09:34)
based upon FLSA and Department of Labor standards,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:34 - 1:09:41)
that any individual that is assigned to a canine or comfort dog must,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:41 - 1:09:53)
the rule of thumb is, shall receive an additional 3.5 hours of compensation per week. That's typically about 30 minutes a day. And so this agreement,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:54 - 1:09:55)
with the agreement.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:55 - 1:10:06)
There is a monetary amount that should be owed to the officer for the care and upkeep of our comfort dog.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:06 - 1:10:09)
And so there was an agreement between the schools,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:09 - 1:10:10)
the officer,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:10 - 1:10:11)
and us,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:11 - 1:10:12)
the town,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:12 - 1:10:15)
to settle that agreement,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:15 - 1:10:18)
which is not the...

[Speaker 1] (1:10:19 - 1:10:24)
I don't want to speak on the, I don't want to speak on the specifics of the agreement unless,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:24 - 1:10:25)
unless you have questions

[Speaker 2] (1:10:25 - 1:10:26)
Well, I can tell

[Speaker 1] (1:10:26 - 1:10:26)
because

[Speaker 2] (1:10:26 - 1:10:27)
you once

[Speaker 1] (1:10:27 - 1:10:27)
it's

[Speaker 2] (1:10:27 - 1:10:27)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:10:27 - 1:10:27)
not

[Speaker 2] (1:10:27 - 1:10:27)
becomes,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:27 - 1:10:27)
my.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:27 - 1:10:32)
if we agree to sign it, it becomes a public document so anybody can pull it for its little

[Speaker 1] (1:10:32 - 1:10:33)
So the

[Speaker 2] (1:10:33 - 1:10:34)
dollar amount so you can tell us.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:34 - 1:10:42)
the compensation is, that is owed to the officer is approximately $30,000 since October 22.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:45 - 1:10:55)
Officer Wilson has graciously agreed to accept half of that in lieu of just having the ability to keep Sora.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:59 - 1:11:01)
the benefits that she brings to our community.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:01 - 1:11:08)
And I can speak, not knowing much about comfort dogs prior to our experience with Sora,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:08 - 1:11:14)
but she is part of the like every fabric of the school, of the community.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:15 - 1:11:16)
She also,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:16 - 1:11:19)
she and Officer Wilson attend,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:19 - 1:11:23)
we have many persons in crisis calls each year,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:23 - 1:11:28)
approximately 50 to 75 a year. And I can tell you first.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:28 - 1:11:46)
firsthand that I've seen Officer Wilson bring out Sora to an individual and it's not a lot of our children are having this mental crisis that need assistance she has been there and she has been a lifesaver so just that alone

[Speaker 1] (1:11:48 - 1:11:52)
is so important to us, the use of Sora.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:53 - 1:12:02)
She has just, she has elevated our status in the police department because of having our comfort canine dog.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:02 - 1:12:03)
In addition,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:03 - 1:12:06)
Sora and Officer Wilson is part of Nemlick.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:07 - 1:12:09)
When I was thanking the officers who were here,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:09 - 1:12:10)
we had 17 officers.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:11 - 1:12:12)
We have 12 Swamp Scott officers.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:13 - 1:12:15)
We had five Nemlick officers.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:15 - 1:12:16)
We had five Nemlick officers.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:17 - 1:12:19)
That was not an additional cost to our town,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:19 - 1:12:22)
which is very costly.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:22 - 1:12:35)
So having SORA as part of our Nemlick, so that's what Nemlick is, Northeastern Massachusetts Law Enforcement Council, is that every Nemlick community in Essex and Middlesex County must...

[Speaker 1] (1:12:35 - 1:12:43)
give 10% of their workforce and a certain number of hours to NEMLIC each month.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:43 - 1:12:44)
She provides that for us.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:44 - 1:12:50)
That's where we get our return on investment for having Sora.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:50 - 1:12:57)
And I know Officer Wilson can talk about some of the call outs that he's been to on the local,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:57 - 1:13:02)
on the North Shore and the impact that she has made on everyone.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:03 - 1:13:12)
get calls from chiefs, neighboring chiefs asking if SORA can come by after significant events in their communities.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:13 - 1:13:17)
So, I mean that's the long and short of it. I know Officer

[Speaker 2] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:13:17 - 1:13:20)
Wilson can talk a little bit more on what they do.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:20 - 1:13:30)
The other thing I want to highlight here just from the background that I have on this particular settlement agreement is that the school department will cover the cost of this settlement.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:30 - 1:13:33)
This is not coming from the town's budget side of the budget.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:33 - 1:13:35)
I know we don't like to talk about sides,

[Speaker 2] (1:13:35 - 1:13:39)
but just to be clear because that is a question that wasn't really clear when Chief was speaking.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:40 - 1:13:45)
And then I'll just really quickly speak to SOAR's impact right here in this town,

[Speaker 2] (1:13:45 - 1:13:48)
which is, you know, on our kids all the time, all day,

[Speaker 2] (1:13:48 - 1:13:49)
every day.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:49 - 1:13:55)
Officer Wilson and Chief Casada have been very generous with their time with SOAR.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:56 - 1:14:02)
They're always donating to the PTOs. They're donating to events so that, you know, we have a raffle and you get to ride to school.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:03 - 1:14:04)
With the police officer,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:04 - 1:14:07)
it's the highlight of the raffle to be honest. It always draws the most funds.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:08 - 1:14:17)
it's exciting to have your whole class comes out and watches you come out of the police car and soars there and you're like you know superstar for the day it's amazing

[Speaker 2] (1:14:19 - 1:14:22)
And then also I just want to say, I say this every time you guys come,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:22 - 1:14:33)
the positive experience of children with law enforcement is vital to the future of community in Swansea and SORA plays a major role in that.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:33 - 1:14:46)
To approach a police officer and see SORA by their side calms people to understand this is a community engagement. It's not meant to be a hierarchical engagement and it's...

[Speaker 2] (1:14:46 - 1:14:50)
To me that makes it priceless. Um so I just wanna recognise that.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:51 - 1:15:12)
And I think to that point, um you know, if Sora ran for select board she would probably win handily. And every child in this district probably knows Sora first hand and that is a testament to Brian Nelson because he has gone above and beyond to make every child comfortable and acclimated.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:12 - 1:15:39)
Even children that are afraid of of animals like mine, right, and you know the the extent of time and effort in humanity you have put into this is I don't think we we have enough to thank you for. Um my question is more in the line of how did we get here and how can we avoid this in the future? Like what what what was the missing link? Like what did they f what was the w where did we fail?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:39 - 1:15:40)
So was it not

[Speaker 1] (1:15:41 - 1:15:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:42 - 1:15:43)
Was it a timesheet issue?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:43 - 1:15:52)
Did we not submit? Did we not you know how did this not get rectified sooner is my bigger question Was that there a learning moment here that we can kind

[Speaker 1] (1:15:52 - 1:15:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:52 - 1:15:53)
of draw

[Speaker 1] (1:15:53 - 1:15:53)
I think

[Speaker 3] (1:15:53 - 1:15:53)
upon?

[Speaker 1] (1:15:53 - 1:15:59)
that the union had understood or

[Speaker 1] (1:16:00 - 1:16:07)
maybe wasn't aware at the time because there are now starting to be a lot of other comfort canines in

[Speaker 3] (1:16:07 - 1:16:08)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:08 - 1:16:09)
Salem and in other

[Speaker 3] (1:16:09 - 1:16:09)
This

[Speaker 1] (1:16:09 - 1:16:09)
and

[Speaker 3] (1:16:09 - 1:16:10)
is the first of its kind so.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:10 - 1:16:27)
I think that's where they probably heard about that and say wait a minute you know our our officer is doing all this extra work and and it is it is a lot of extra work on the weekends on their days off and so I think it's just in fairness

[Speaker 1] (1:16:27 - 1:16:36)
to their the union membership and the end officer Wilson that's how this kind of came up in other training with other comfort canine dogs and

[Speaker 3] (1:16:36 - 1:16:37)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:37 - 1:16:42)
I will say it was it was an officer Wilson who brought this forward officer Wilson

[Speaker 1] (1:16:44 - 1:16:45)
Has never asked for anything extra

[Speaker 3] (1:16:45 - 1:16:46)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:46 - 1:16:54)
and so not all I in my prior law enforcement agency We had a comfort canine handler and I can tell you exactly like you said Danielle not all

[Speaker 1] (1:16:55 - 1:16:58)
Comfort canine officers are the same and so

[Speaker 3] (1:16:58 - 1:16:58)
No. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:58 - 1:17:00)
officer Wilson has been extraordinary

[Speaker 4] (1:17:00 - 1:17:01)
Mary DiCiolo.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:02 - 1:17:05)
Extraordinary. And I thank you for that.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:05 - 1:17:06)
I'm sure everybody else does as well.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:06 - 1:17:07)
Is now joining.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:07 - 1:17:09)
The impact is...

[Speaker 3] (1:17:10 - 1:17:11)
The impact has been lasting.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:11 - 1:17:11)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:11 - 1:17:13)
Danielle, just to clarify to Chief,

[Speaker 2] (1:17:13 - 1:17:21)
if you could speak to how going forward the school will be changing the hours so that it

[Speaker 3] (1:17:21 - 1:17:22)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:22 - 1:17:22)
doesn't

[Speaker 3] (1:17:22 - 1:17:22)
So that have they,

[Speaker 2] (1:17:22 - 1:17:23)
to be you a future.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:23 - 1:17:24)
don't run into this again.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:24 - 1:17:24)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:24 - 1:17:28)
Sure, yeah, so there's no additional cost involved.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:28 - 1:17:38)
This is a one-time cost where we would adjust his schedule every day to meet the needs of that three and a half hours per work week.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:40 - 1:17:41)
Well, I'd love to make a motion to approve

[Speaker 3] (1:17:41 - 1:17:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:42 - 1:17:43)
this before we bid it up.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Let

[Speaker 3] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
we

[Speaker 1] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
let me

[Speaker 6] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
have.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:43 - 1:17:44)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
sign

[Speaker 3] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:45)
here. Um

[Speaker 3] (1:17:45 - 1:17:46)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:46 - 1:17:46)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:47 - 1:17:56)
Um so just to say we are approving this like that I will sign the settlement agreement for Officer Wilson and the town of Swampscott. Been seconded? All

[Speaker 3] (1:17:56 - 1:17:56)
All

[Speaker 2] (1:17:56 - 1:17:56)
those in favour?

[Speaker 3] (1:17:56 - 1:17:57)
right.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:57 - 1:17:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:57 - 1:17:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:57 - 1:17:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:57 - 1:17:59)
Thank you

[Speaker 6] (1:17:59 - 1:17:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:59 - 1:18:03)
all very much for coming. Thank you Officer Wilson and thank you Sora. I saw you earlier. I know you're here.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:04 - 1:18:12)
Um while I just ask to move up the consent agenda our DEI consultants have some time constraints, so we will go to the DEI consultants next.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:16 - 1:18:25)
Marianne if you just wanna maybe give a little background on how we got to this point, like just a quick chief would you mind?

[Speaker 2] (1:18:25 - 1:18:27)
Oh thank you, captain.

[Speaker 7] (1:18:31 - 1:18:34)
be working I suppose. People have a couple hours, right.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:35 - 1:18:35)
Uh

[Speaker 7] (1:18:35 - 1:18:35)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:18:35 - 1:18:39)
could you uh Mary, I believe we can hear you if you could please mute your mic.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:41 - 1:18:42)
Thank you. Thanks Diane.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:43 - 1:18:44)
So you want you want to give me a little Yeah, timeline?

[Speaker 2] (1:18:44 - 1:18:46)
just a little summary of how we got here would be great.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:46 - 1:18:48)
Sure. We started in the fall.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:48 - 1:19:10)
Um we did uh social media review, I sent them all the links, uh the newspapers, magazines, all the different places they could see any interaction in the town of Swampscott. Uh document review of um how emails are sent, what they look like, just a general couple of emails from different department heads um

[Speaker 3] (1:19:11 - 1:19:24)
Meeting requests or meeting announcements um gave them access to um pretty much most H_R_ documents like empty paperwork sort of stuff um and the

[Speaker 1] (1:19:24 - 1:19:30)
Um and the policy and procedure manual that we have had in place since I think twenty twenty two.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:31 - 1:19:40)
Um we also did a community survey um in the fall and we did uh an employee survey.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:40 - 1:19:43)
We did a community jam at the library.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:44 - 1:19:45)
Um and

[Speaker 1] (1:19:46 - 1:20:10)
This is sort of a culmination of everything that we have done. It's their findings. Um they did one-on-ones too with certain departments. Um and uh they're gonna go through the findings and then there's still a couple of steps left. Um which will bring us into the new year, but there's no change in fee they had a change over in leadership at one point so it kind of delayed us a little bit.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:10 - 1:20:12)
Okay, great. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:13 - 1:20:14)
So we welcome Ready Set.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:18 - 1:20:18)
We can't

[Speaker 2] (1:20:18 - 1:20:18)
We

[Speaker 3] (1:20:18 - 1:20:19)
hear you.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:19 - 1:20:24)
cannot hear you. I see you're unmuted and your mouth is moving, but no volume.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:26 - 1:20:27)
Can you hear me now?

[Speaker 2] (1:20:27 - 1:20:27)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:27 - 1:20:28)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:20:28 - 1:20:28)
we can.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:28 - 1:20:28)
we can.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:29 - 1:20:30)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:31 - 1:20:33)
Hi, everyone. My name is Jesse Turk. Go by he him pronouns.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:33 - 1:20:39)
I work for Ready Set. I'm a principal consultant and facilitator and I have been working with the town of Swampskate since.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:41 - 1:20:42)
I think February.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:43 - 1:20:49)
And I'm really excited to show you the findings as a result of everything Miriam has just been speaking about.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:49 - 1:20:55)
So I'm going to go ahead and share my screen so that we can discuss these together.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:55 - 1:20:59)
I'll pause for questions at certain points,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:59 - 1:21:01)
but I just want to make the most use of our time as well.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:02 - 1:21:07)
Moving into this, just want to offer a few reminders since there's a lot in here and a lot.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:07 - 1:21:32)
lot of discussions around improvement one a name that a lot all of this I should say is based in perception right but perception especially in this kind of work that's often subjective is just as powerful as reality um want to encourage folks that as we discuss questions we are going to get to solutioning that's the next step that Marianne was discussing but this is really about just understanding where we're currently at where we've been rather than thinking about how we're going to plan for the future just yet so refrain from judging

[Speaker 4] (1:21:34 - 1:21:50)
others others opinions others perceptions as well as judging yourself because these these findings do mention leadership of Swamp Scout as well investigate any kind of knee-jerk reactions that come up and get curious about why you're having those and it's an important step in understanding these findings

[Speaker 4] (1:21:51 - 1:21:52)
So, as Marianne mentioned,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:52 - 1:21:56)
we had a pretty extensive assessment of the town.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:56 - 1:22:00)
We did a document review of all of these documents listed here.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:01 - 1:22:02)
I'm not going to go over every single one.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:03 - 1:22:05)
We did a staff survey of the town staff,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:05 - 1:22:08)
which was a 27% response rate, which was 50 respondents.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:08 - 1:22:12)
We also did a community survey to make sure we captured the community voice.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:12 - 1:22:13)
We had 308 respondents,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:13 - 1:22:15)
which is actually really great for a community survey.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:16 - 1:22:18)
We did listening sessions with the staff,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:18 - 1:22:23)
both in focus group environments and one-on-one interviews, depending on role and the dynamics there,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25)
as well as that community jam,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:25 - 1:22:29)
which was in person at the library and social media and news review.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:30 - 1:22:42)
So we have a really good sense from different sort of data sources about where things are at and any kind of finding mentioned in here has been corroborated by at least more than two of these data sources.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:42 - 1:22:44)
And within those data sources,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:44 - 1:22:52)
at least three mentions of the same thing I'll name that's our sort of lowest bar almost everything in here was mentioned way more than that.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:54 - 1:22:58)
So we want to start with some bright spots, and this is really not to just make you all feel good,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:58 - 1:23:11)
but it's also to consider as leverage points as we move into how we strategize, thinking about where things are going really well in order to use them as tools for improving on the areas where we can see the opportunity for growth.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:11 - 1:23:13)
So the first from the staff perspective,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:13 - 1:23:18)
this comes from both the survey as well as our conversations with staff.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:18 - 1:23:21)
The big takeaway is that staff take a lot of pride in their work.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:21 - 1:23:34)
in working for Svanskot and they feel supported by their teams and specifically within their departments and they also see real opportunities to grow and contribute as working for Svanskot so 78% of the survey agree that they are proud to work for the town.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:35 - 1:23:58)
75% agreed that when there are career opportunities at the town they're aware of them which is rare by the way for municipalities a lot of the time career transparency is a real issue and team collaboration 70% of folks agreed that their department works well together as a team and just to give you a sense when we do our sort of statistical analysis anything 70% or above is considered positive agreement so these are all very positive findings

[Speaker 4] (1:24:00 - 1:24:01)
From the community perspective,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:01 - 1:24:03)
residents are really proud to call San Scott home.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:04 - 1:24:11)
So you'll notice pride as a general theme here and definitely something to consider and think about as we get into solutioning down the line.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:11 - 1:24:16)
Folks feel safe and connected and they really value the spirit of community that local events help foster.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:17 - 1:24:19)
So 81% agreed that their pride to live here.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:20 - 1:24:22)
76% said they felt safe in their neighborhood,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:23 - 1:24:24)
which is obviously extremely important.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:25 - 1:24:28)
And 72% said that they felt like they belong in the Swan Scout community,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:29 - 1:24:34)
which kind of gets into our larger purpose of being here, which is really about inclusion. How do we make people feel like they belong?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:34 - 1:24:36)
72% already agree.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:36 - 1:24:38)
And how do we get that number to be even higher,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:38 - 1:24:41)
as well as focusing on some of the nuances there,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:41 - 1:24:43)
right? Who is saying they belong?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:43 - 1:24:44)
Who is saying they don't belong?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:45 - 1:24:47)
So before I move into our growth areas,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:47 - 1:24:55)
just want to pause for any questions from anyone there about the positives or any of our methodology.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:58 - 1:24:59)
Okay for us.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:59 - 1:25:00)
I think you're good you may move

[Speaker 6] (1:25:00 - 1:25:01)
Wait,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:01 - 1:25:01)
on

[Speaker 6] (1:25:01 - 1:25:03)
can we have one question?

[Speaker 6] (1:25:03 - 1:25:05)
Could you just tell us the timing,

[Speaker 6] (1:25:05 - 1:25:09)
like what months you were doing these studies?

[Speaker 4] (1:25:10 - 1:25:15)
Sure. So the surveys happened in the fall of 2024.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:15 - 1:25:22)
The listening sessions happened in late winter, early spring of 2025.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:22 - 1:25:27)
And the social media review and document review happened also in the fall of 2024.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:28 - 1:25:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:29 - 1:25:30)
No problem.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:32 - 1:25:37)
Okay, so our growth areas are really ways to view where we have the greatest opportunity for impact.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:37 - 1:25:41)
So we've kind of boiled them down to four main areas.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:41 - 1:25:44)
So the first is DEI strategy and approach.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:44 - 1:25:46)
So this is really directly about DEI.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:46 - 1:25:47)
But as you'll see,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:47 - 1:25:48)
DEI, diversity,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:48 - 1:25:49)
equity,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:49 - 1:25:52)
and inclusion isn't just about the things that are considered,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:52 - 1:25:53)
quote unquote,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:53 - 1:25:53)
DEI,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:53 - 1:25:55)
right? That's really just one piece of the puzzle.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:55 - 1:25:59)
Equity and inclusion really touch pretty much any function that a town can have.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:59 - 1:26:02)
can have with residents and with the folks that work for it.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:02 - 1:26:14)
It's really a mindset right it's a way of viewing things rather than oh this is this added thing we have to put on so it really encourage folks to view it that way because ultimately this is about including everyone not just those who have not been included in the past.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:15 - 1:26:17)
But from a specific DEI strategy and approach,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:18 - 1:26:20)
the town is publicly committed to DEI in the past,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:20 - 1:26:29)
but residents and staff experience these efforts unevenly and they report them as they tend to be siloed and more symbolic rather than actual structural changes.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:29 - 1:26:34)
And both staff and residents express a desire for deeper DEI integration,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:35 - 1:26:36)
broader inclusion,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:36 - 1:26:38)
meaning how do we actually include everyone,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:38 - 1:26:39)
not just some people,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:39 - 1:26:42)
and greater clarity around how actions are meeting those commitments.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:42 - 1:26:46)
So really wanting to see action behind words that have been previously stated.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:46 - 1:26:48)
And the support for this in our quantitative data,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:49 - 1:26:49)
staff survey,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:49 - 1:26:54)
only 53% agreed they understood how DEI actually applies to their day-to-day work,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:54 - 1:26:57)
and 31% felt their opportunities to advance are equitable,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:57 - 1:27:03)
which is super interesting given the high amount that people understand how to grow their jobs,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:03 - 1:27:05)
they actually don't see the ways that they can actually achieve that.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:06 - 1:27:08)
From a community perspective,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:08 - 1:27:12)
41% agree the town communicates clearly about its DEI efforts.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:12 - 1:27:21)
So that's really interesting and something to consider. How do we actually communicate what's being done and how are we doing it in a way that a lot of people can access it?

[Speaker 4] (1:27:22 - 1:27:45)
Qualitatively at our community jam folks mentioned that these efforts are seen as well-intentioned but generally one often underfunded and there were lots of calls for greater inclusion beyond just the identities of race and gender so thinking about identities such as sexual orientation religion nation of origin age there's a very long list of social identities to consider how do we make this a little bit more holistic

[Speaker 4] (1:27:45 - 1:27:48)
And then in our staff listening sessions,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:48 - 1:27:51)
there was a stronger DEI framing in the past that has faded,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:51 - 1:27:57)
and staff kind of noted confusion and some resistance and minimal accountability for DEI practices.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:57 - 1:28:01)
And I'll note that some staff stated that they prefer that DEI not continue,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:01 - 1:28:04)
while others said they wanted it to continue even more strongly.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:04 - 1:28:07)
So there is that tension there that we need to approach and discuss,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:07 - 1:28:13)
which kind of ties back to how do we make this a broader discussion about inclusion rather than focusing on really specific.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:13 - 1:28:16)
and maybe outdated perceptions of what DEI actually is.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:17 - 1:28:21)
So that's this first area of DEI strategy and approach.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:22 - 1:28:25)
I'll pause for questions after the second one just so that we can keep moving,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:25 - 1:28:27)
but I know there's a lot of information here.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:27 - 1:28:29)
I'm also happy to go back slides too.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:30 - 1:28:33)
The second area we'll discuss is leadership and decision making.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:33 - 1:28:39)
Staff and community members perceive leadership as inconsistent in communication and accessibility.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:39 - 1:28:40)
So when we talk about leadership here,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:41 - 1:28:43)
we're talking about town administrator,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:43 - 1:28:44)
we're talking about the select board,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:44 - 1:28:46)
we're talking about anyone who is decision making power.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:47 - 1:28:53)
Trust in decision making and accountability is perceived as limited and some staff report fear of offering feedback.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:54 - 1:29:03)
So quantitative data shows that only 38% of staff agree that they can actually provide input on decisions and 29% feel safe sharing their concerns with senior leaders.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:03 - 1:29:07)
So in a town where the staff is really proud to work for the town,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:07 - 1:29:11)
they also don't seem to be feeling they actually have a say in what happens in the town.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:11 - 1:29:17)
And then the community survey noted that 33% agree that they believe their voice matters in shaping the town's future,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:17 - 1:29:19)
which is really low, especially in the town.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:26 - 1:29:28)
qualitatively our findings matched pretty well.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:29 - 1:29:48)
The community channel noted that the feedback channels exist but are only effective if you know the right people so many field decisions are predetermined so they're saying why would I even bother and in our listening sessions with staff staff described having to walk on eggshells with leadership and that the perceived politics and select board conflicting dynamics affect their morale and trust in leadership.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:49 - 1:29:51)
So I know that's a lot, and again,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:51 - 1:29:54)
I'm going to remind folks not to refrain from judgment,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:54 - 1:29:57)
kind of get into sort of curious about any needs or reactions,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:57 - 1:29:59)
since I know this obviously relates to folks here,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:59 - 1:30:07)
but I do want to pause for questions or any comments here before I keep moving with the other two areas in our next steps.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:12 - 1:30:13)
I think we're well aware of this.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:13 - 1:30:14)
Yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:30:14 - 1:30:17)
I know what's unfortunate is that none of this is actually shocking.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:17 - 1:30:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:19 - 1:30:23)
number one, I've already heard it because I've met with the D.I. consultant before,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:23 - 1:30:23)
to be fair.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:24 - 1:30:30)
But I don't think it would shock any of us to hear a lot of this feedback that's happening.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:31 - 1:30:35)
I think that's why you're here, maybe,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
because we,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:35 - 1:30:37)
at least for me, I could speak for myself.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:38 - 1:30:41)
feeling like we could be better, we should be better,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:41 - 1:30:43)
but we're not sure how to get to better.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:43 - 1:30:49)
So I think that's, you know, one of the reasons I felt that this was a really important initiative.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:51 - 1:30:52)
Well, it's obviously concerning,

[Speaker 6] (1:30:52 - 1:30:52)
right,

[Speaker 6] (1:30:52 - 1:30:54)
this slide itself.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:54 - 1:31:02)
Even though we know it exists to see the numbers in front of you and to see the feedback from staff and community is concerning.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:03 - 1:31:19)
And I think that as much as we know it, you know, we maybe need to put we need a little bit more action behind the behind the thought, right, to try to see how we can make some changes and, you know, nobody's perfect, but we can certainly be better.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:19 - 1:31:29)
And I think we're taking the steps to do that. I think that's happening at a very timely moment for Swampscott. So I can only get better from here.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:30 - 1:31:38)
I think to me it just it just continues to highlight the fact that we're not communicating as effectively uh as we should.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:39 - 1:31:42)
Um, I mean communication is listed numerous

[Speaker 6] (1:31:42 - 1:31:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:43 - 1:32:00)
times uh throughout this uh throughout this initial feedback. So you know I I'm I'm very interested in really diving in and trying to figure out you know if we have thirty three percent of our community that believe their voice matters, you know how do we engage the other sixty the other two-thirds uh of our community.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:01 - 1:32:05)
Um you know how do we communicate effectively, uh efficiently and

[Speaker 2] (1:32:06 - 1:32:12)
And give those individuals a voice, and that's 33% of those who participated in the survey.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:12 - 1:32:14)
So it's a much larger proportion.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:14 - 1:32:14)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:17 - 1:32:21)
Do you have any data to show like how this relates,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:21 - 1:32:25)
I mean you know our democracy in general people are, a lot of people are disengaged.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:25 - 1:32:29)
You know I'm not trying to minimize this but just to contextualize it,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:29 - 1:32:35)
where does this 33% you know kind of compare with other clients that you have for example?

[Speaker 1] (1:32:37 - 1:32:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:37 - 1:32:39)
for those that we've done community surveys,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:39 - 1:32:42)
right, not every municipality actually is willing to do a community survey,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:42 - 1:32:45)
so I give you a lot of commendment for that,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:45 - 1:32:47)
but for those that we have done it,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:47 - 1:32:47)
it's similar.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:48 - 1:32:50)
It is, it's pretty...

[Speaker 1] (1:32:51 - 1:32:54)
Yeah, it's pretty similar. It's generally low across the board.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:55 - 1:32:55)
Hmm

[Speaker 1] (1:32:55 - 1:32:59)
And it also depends on the setup of the municipality.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:00 - 1:33:09)
It depends on the access to meetings like this one, access to language appropriate avenues for providing feedback,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:09 - 1:33:10)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:33:10 - 1:33:15)
For instance, other towns that have many languages as the norm, there's a barrier there,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:15 - 1:33:16)
so it can be lower,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:16 - 1:33:17)
really depends.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:17 - 1:33:19)
But generally, this is a low statistic.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:20 - 1:33:21)
For most times.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:22 - 1:33:23)
And I think too,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:23 - 1:33:23)
It's a great question.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:23 - 1:33:28)
I mean we are at a time where, you know, DEI is being eliminated,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:28 - 1:33:30)
ignored and frowned upon,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:30 - 1:33:31)
right?

[Speaker 6] (1:33:31 - 1:33:43)
So the fact that Solomscott is actually engaged and interested in continuing with DEI initiatives and looking to get better says a lot, right? And that's...

[Speaker 6] (1:33:43 - 1:34:09)
you know, um while it might not be popular, I think people are afraid of it too because not everybody cro you know really understands the nuts and bolts and what it means and um I think we can see that probably you probably saw that at the community jam or, you know, with only fifty staff members wanting to fill out, you know, or respond, you know, that kind of speaks on its own. So I think the more that we can highlight and discuss it as a town and as a collaborative group

[Speaker 6] (1:34:10 - 1:34:12)
You know, the better we'll be for it, right?

[Speaker 7] (1:34:12 - 1:34:18)
I do think there's a a r uh a real chance that people are confused about

[Speaker 6] (1:34:18 - 1:34:18)
Mm-hmm,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:18 - 1:34:18)
this.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:18 - 1:34:18)
mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:18 - 1:34:31)
Because on one hand we're talking about it as D_E_I_ and then another part we're talking about it as kind of engagement in general, right. Uh you know these things about uh whether or not people feel they have a voice in shaping the town's future

[Speaker 7] (1:34:32 - 1:34:36)
I could say that has, you know, in normal parlance has nothing to do with D-E-I.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
isn't

[Speaker 6] (1:34:37 - 1:34:38)
I think the inclusion

[Speaker 4] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
that the

[Speaker 6] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
piece.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:38 - 1:34:39)
inclusion part?

[Speaker 7] (1:34:39 - 1:34:39)
I understand,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:39 - 1:34:40)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:40 - 1:34:42)
but when you put it in the context of D-E-I,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:42 - 1:34:44)
people see it through a certain frame.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:44 - 1:34:45)
Right, and they all

[Speaker 7] (1:34:45 - 1:34:45)
Right?

[Speaker 6] (1:34:45 - 1:34:47)
have a preconceived notion of what that is.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:47 - 1:34:51)
Exactly. And many people may be blocking it out before you even finish the three letters,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:51 - 1:34:51)
right?

[Speaker 6] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52)
Totally.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:52 - 1:34:58)
As opposed to if you're asking a question about community engagement, without those letters it might be a completely different conversation.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:59 - 1:35:00)
So it is a little,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:00 - 1:35:07)
I have to admit even for me every time we have this conversation I find myself kind of going back and forth about exactly what is our objective

[Speaker 6] (1:35:07 - 1:35:07)
How it relates,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:07 - 1:35:08)
here because

[Speaker 6] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:08 - 1:35:11)
I think we entered this through the tunnel of D_E_I_

[Speaker 6] (1:35:11 - 1:35:11)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:11 - 1:35:20)
and I think in maybe in collaboration with Ready Set or through this process we started to broaden it and the questions asked clearly are broader.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:22 - 1:35:23)
I'll name that.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:24 - 1:35:35)
DEI, I agree that DEI as the acronym has become a much more fraught acronym in the past, you know, six months,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:35 - 1:35:36)
seven months.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:37 - 1:35:47)
That being said, the questions we ask on our surveys with you all are the questions we've asked for the past five years when it comes to equity and inclusion.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:47 - 1:35:49)
Inclusion covers community engagement,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:49 - 1:35:50)
it covers communication,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:50 - 1:35:51)
it covers feedback,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:51 - 1:36:03)
because really all inclusion is about and equity is about is how do we set people up for success and how do we make people feel like they can have their opinion heard? How do we make people feel like they can engage and they can participate?

[Speaker 1] (1:36:03 - 1:36:05)
That's really what those terms are about.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:06 - 1:36:19)
but understood all the semantics of it and I'm not saying semantics in a negative way that the terminology does matter in allowing people to even feel like they can approach it it's definitely something we should consider as we get into the strategic planning portion of this engagement

[Speaker 7] (1:36:19 - 1:36:27)
And just to be clear, I wasn't even referring to kind of the negative spin that's been tried to put on DEI more recently.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:27 - 1:36:28)
Yeah, yeah, yeah

[Speaker 7] (1:36:28 - 1:36:31)
I mean, like when we asked these questions,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:31 - 1:36:34)
I'm trying to remember the survey,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:34 - 1:36:38)
like it didn't say anything about DEI on the survey,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:38 - 1:36:39)
did it?

[Speaker 6] (1:36:39 - 1:36:39)
Some

[Speaker 7] (1:36:39 - 1:36:39)
The

[Speaker 6] (1:36:39 - 1:36:40)
questions

[Speaker 7] (1:36:40 - 1:36:40)
questions,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:40 - 1:36:40)
did.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:40 - 1:36:41)
they did,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:41 - 1:36:41)
some questions

[Speaker 4] (1:36:41 - 1:36:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:42 - 1:36:42)
did.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:42 - 1:36:42)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:43 - 1:36:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:44 - 1:36:47)
Yeah, but it is a good point, right,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:47 - 1:37:02)
that these surveys are more expansive because DEI as an actual applied idea is more expansive. It's not just about gender and race. It's not just about historically marginalized people. It's about a way of operating in a more holistic and human centered fashion.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:04 - 1:37:07)
I will keep us moving just for the sake of time,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:07 - 1:37:11)
but so our third area is operations and people processes.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:12 - 1:37:17)
So this does mainly relate to staff, but I will say the community had a lot to say about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:18 - 1:37:25)
So in general, there are operational inconsistencies in hiring, onboarding, and accountability practices based on what we reviewed,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:25 - 1:37:30)
and those seem to also contribute to perceptions of unfairness and favoritism amongst staff.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:31 - 1:37:36)
But these gaps actually extend to what is felt by the community in public facing systems like the town website,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:37 - 1:37:42)
where unclear processes and outdated information seem to limit access and trust.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:42 - 1:37:46)
So quantitative data showed that staff,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:46 - 1:37:48)
just 35% of Greek people are held accountable consistently.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:49 - 1:37:53)
39% felt they received sufficient onboarding.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:53 - 1:38:00)
We're in the community survey respondents described variable service quality and access depending on the department or individual they interact with,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:00 - 1:38:08)
which is super in line with what we heard from staff as well that department to department people operate completely differently and that you worry about what your department does.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:08 - 1:38:09)
I don't know what the other department does.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:09 - 1:38:13)
that bleeds over into how the community experiences the town.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:14 - 1:38:15)
And in qualitative data,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:16 - 1:38:19)
there was a strong call for mandatory DEI training,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:19 - 1:38:20)
onboarding support,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:20 - 1:38:21)
and transparency.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:21 - 1:38:24)
And in our listening sessions with staff,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:24 - 1:38:29)
workplace culture was named as sort of shaped by favoritism in formal networks.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:30 - 1:38:33)
But there was a very strong positive outlier at the library,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:33 - 1:38:35)
so I want to bring that up because the library,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:35 - 1:38:41)
both perceived by folks who work there and others at the town is seen as a real positive example for how

[Speaker 1] (1:38:41 - 1:38:47)
inclusion and equity is being done really well so just wanted that on the record as well and

[Speaker 6] (1:38:47 - 1:38:48)
That's me.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:49 - 1:39:01)
then the last area I'll touch on before we move into our next steps here is culture and engagement so while staff take pride in their work and their teams many sort of feel disconnected from the broader organization and unsupported emotionally

[Speaker 1] (1:39:04 - 1:39:05)
needs to report burnout,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:05 - 1:39:06)
low recognition,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:06 - 1:39:07)
and inconsistent communication,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:07 - 1:39:10)
and that ultimately contributes to disengagement.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:10 - 1:39:14)
And I'll name that disengagement is a main hallmark in flat.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:41)
conclusion right if you can't feel like you can engage you cannot share in what is going on and that's ultimately what inclusion is all about so quantitative data showed that staff the staff survey while 78% are proud to work for the town only 33% feel recognized for their work and I'll name that is really unique most places where you don't feel recognized for your work you tend to lose pride in who you're working for right if they don't recognize me why would I care about them

[Speaker 1] (1:39:41 - 1:39:43)
That is not the case of the town,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:43 - 1:39:47)
but it's also probably not something to take advantage of. It's probably something to really focus on first.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:48 - 1:39:51)
How do we recognize people so that they can continue that pride and strengthen that pride?

[Speaker 1] (1:39:52 - 1:39:55)
And 30% say communication is timely and transparent.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:55 - 1:40:23)
So that is another area similar to what you had mentioned communication is a really key piece of this in the community serving community members see some staff as engaged and others as cold or dismissive this is an assumption and a perception from our perspective based on having worked with lots of communities that if someone feels like they're burning out they're not well recognized that they're not engaging well that tends to come off as not engaging well with the folks that they're actually working with

[Speaker 1] (1:40:24 - 1:40:26)
Qualitatively, in the community jam,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:27 - 1:40:40)
there was a lot of discussion of the website of how it is not something that folks can engage with and therefore people just don't want to and don't then know what's going on or don't have the information they need to engage properly with town events.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:41 - 1:40:46)
They also noted that Facebook as a main form of communication is not preferable.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:46 - 1:40:48)
Some folks named it as toxic,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:48 - 1:40:50)
especially the

[Speaker 1] (1:40:50 - 1:41:13)
The interactions that some leaders have on Facebook who are sort of official representatives of the town seeing the way that they interact on Facebook was really disheartening for community members and that contributed to a sense of fragmentation in terms of neighborhood and life experience and that that town culture is not universally welcome depending on where you live.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:13 - 1:41:15)
A lot of discussion of the wrong side of the tracks,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:15 - 1:41:16)
the right side of the tracks.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:17 - 1:41:36)
and listening sessions there was a strong desire for more meaningful connection between departments as well as transparent communication opportunities to just know what other people are doing to get to know folks in other departments especially if you're not working physically in town hall so I will

[Speaker 1] (1:41:38 - 1:41:40)
In our document review,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:40 - 1:41:41)
social media analysis,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:41 - 1:41:55)
this corroborates most of what we heard and is a useful starting point especially for how we update policies and I know Marianne is already kind of on updating some of these policies from an HR perspective so I just wanted to name that as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:55 - 1:42:05)
But the policies that we reviewed were they reflected kind of exclusionary defaults that are pretty common from older types of documents so really Christian-centric holidays,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:06 - 1:42:06)
ableist language.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:07 - 1:42:11)
big reporting structures and a lack of trauma-informed structure for feedback processes.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:11 - 1:42:14)
How do we give feedback in a way that's actually useful to all kinds of people,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:14 - 1:42:16)
not just one way of doing it?

[Speaker 1] (1:42:17 - 1:42:26)
Interviews and hiring tools lack consistency and they have sort of outdated job classifications that may introduce bias reinforcing perceptions of favoritism.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:26 - 1:42:30)
And there were also missed opportunities to ask about belonging and inclusion and psychological safety,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:30 - 1:42:32)
especially in exit processes.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:32 - 1:42:36)
So just showing that we're even focusing on that and wanting to learn more about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:35 - 1:42:37)
more about it could be a huge win.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:38 - 1:42:40)
From the social media and news perspective,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:40 - 1:42:48)
public discourse around the past DEI controversies have remained unresolved and that has fueled mistrust, and that came up in the community term as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:48 - 1:42:53)
Online feedback revealed a high value placed on veteran support and neurodiversity inclusion,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:53 - 1:42:56)
but disability access seems to feel underrepresented,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:56 - 1:42:57)
underrepresented I should say.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:59 - 1:43:25)
Communication and visual storytelling tend to skew towards certain demographics and calls there were calls for greater age ability and cultural representation in visual storytelling that is representing the town and there were also engagement gaps that suggest residents want more clarity and purpose behind DEI language and action with more transparency and emotional intelligence and leadership so really what this boils down to is what's written down on paper seems to

[Speaker 1] (1:43:27 - 1:43:38)
lend itself to some of the things people are saying in our listening sessions and from a social media news review piece that kind of ties back to what came up in the culture and engagement area of our conversation.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:39 - 1:43:41)
Before I move on to our recommendations,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:41 - 1:43:44)
just wanted to pause one more time for any questions or comments.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:47 - 1:44:14)
I just want to acknowledge the parallels between our community at large and our community in town hall or under our employment and how the tone of the community at large is directly correlates with the tone of what folks feel in town hall and so many parallels even the language that that was being used here

[Speaker 2] (1:44:15 - 1:44:25)
You know, town staff feels burnt out and underappreciated, people feel disengaged, people feel like they're not being heard at some level.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:25 - 1:44:31)
So, you know, I think regardless of what we call it,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:31 - 1:44:33)
our communication needs,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:33 - 1:44:43)
you know, a step up to regardless of whether we in reality feel like we are communicating at 100%, the perception is we are not.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:43 - 1:44:45)
And as we discussed earlier,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:45 - 1:44:47)
perception fuels reality,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:47 - 1:44:49)
whether it is reality or not.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:49 - 1:44:55)
So I think, you know, it's important for us to take a step back and say,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:55 - 1:44:55)
okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:55 - 1:44:57)
maybe the ways we've been doing things.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:58 - 1:45:23)
aren't working or we could see them through a different lens or we can try something different in order to try and I mean the request for me would be that we have the space from the community it seems like we do because we're engaging in this process to make mistakes to try things to find things that don't work find things that work find things that you know we have to make work better so hopeful but

[Speaker 2] (1:45:24 - 1:45:24)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (1:45:24 - 1:45:27)
probably a lot of work here.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:27 - 1:45:28)
Definitely a lot of work here.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:29 - 1:45:35)
I'll also name that there's always when it comes to municipalities and towns and cities,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:35 - 1:45:41)
those responding to community surveys and community engagement are those that are tend to already be engaged.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:42 - 1:45:43)
So I just I

[Speaker 1] (1:45:44 - 1:46:10)
agree with what you're saying in terms of the parallels and it tends to be people who know a little bit at least what's going on with staff and know what's going on in the town they come to town meetings they are aware of what's going on in the community at least somewhat and they can see those gaps because they're looking and they're paying attention um for response for those you know the many people in town that did not respond it's hard to know they would be aligned as well um but

[Speaker 1] (1:46:11 - 1:46:17)
The folks that do respond for community surveys and listening sessions of things tend to also be the culture carriers,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:17 - 1:46:18)
tend to be example setters.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:18 - 1:46:22)
They're the ones that are going to step up and say, yeah, I'll plan that event if you give me the space to.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:22 - 1:46:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:22 - 1:46:28)
I'll brainstorm with you. Yeah, I'll give you the grace to make a mistake and offer feedback if you say you want that, that kind of thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:33 - 1:46:36)
Any other questions before I move on to the next steps here?

[Speaker 3] (1:46:37 - 1:46:38)
I do have a question.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:39 - 1:46:41)
Can Yes. you just, because I didn't hear,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:41 - 1:46:43)
how many staff,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:43 - 1:46:46)
did you say 50 staff responded to your survey?

[Speaker 1] (1:46:46 - 1:46:47)
That's correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:47 - 1:46:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:48 - 1:46:51)
And does that staff, is that town staff?

[Speaker 3] (1:46:51 - 1:46:52)
That's not school staff.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:53 - 1:46:54)
What is the total town,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:54 - 1:46:55)
that 300?

[Speaker 1] (1:46:56 - 1:46:59)
This did not include school staff at all.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:59 - 1:47:00)
So I will name that.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:00 - 1:47:02)
This included all other town staff.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:02 - 1:47:05)
I don't know what the total for the town staff is.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:05 - 1:47:05)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:47:05 - 1:47:06)
It looks like.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:06 - 1:47:06)
believe it.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:07 - 1:47:09)
It says a 27% response rate,

[Speaker 5] (1:47:09 - 1:47:09)
so

[Speaker 2] (1:47:09 - 1:47:09)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:47:09 - 1:47:10)
200.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:10 - 1:47:10)
about 200?

[Speaker 1] (1:47:10 - 1:47:11)
Yeah, about 200.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:11 - 1:47:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:12 - 1:47:13)
Because this also included,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:13 - 1:47:14)
this included,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:14 - 1:47:17)
you know, police fire department,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:17 - 1:47:18)
library,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:18 - 1:47:18)
senior center,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:19 - 1:47:20)
town hall.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:21 - 1:47:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:22 - 1:47:28)
My next question is, did you go through all of our policies and procedures as

[Speaker 1] (1:47:28 - 1:47:28)
We

[Speaker 3] (1:47:28 - 1:47:28)
far

[Speaker 1] (1:47:28 - 1:47:28)
went

[Speaker 3] (1:47:28 - 1:47:28)
as...

[Speaker 1] (1:47:28 - 1:47:30)
through whatever was sent to us.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:33 - 1:47:35)
Which is the very limited document from 2022,

[Speaker 6] (1:47:36 - 1:47:37)
not the new handbook.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:39 - 1:47:41)
So, okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:41 - 1:47:43)
so not the new handbook, and then what about,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:43 - 1:47:46)
so I'm just wondering,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:46 - 1:47:52)
how does that compare to all best practice policies and procedures?

[Speaker 3] (1:47:52 - 1:47:54)
Do we do everything best practice?

[Speaker 1] (1:47:56 - 1:47:57)
No, so as

[Speaker 1] (1:47:58 - 1:48:14)
sort of I sort of mentioning here not not quite not yet there's a lot there has been a lot of room for growth there and that's something we're I know Marianne's already been working on in order to kind of update a lot of that and that's something we'll also strategize to support you on yes

[Speaker 2] (1:48:16 - 1:48:19)
That might be a good segue to our next chapter,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:19 - 1:48:21)
or areas of growth.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:23 - 1:48:24)
Thank you for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:25 - 1:48:28)
So we want to name potential ways we can grow,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:28 - 1:48:30)
potential ways you can move forward,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:30 - 1:48:37)
and we have lots of examples of how to do this. We're not going to name them all here tonight because that would make this less quite a while longer.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:37 - 1:48:45)
But these are some main buckets of areas that are avenues for growth and there will be more discussed in our strategy sessions as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:46 - 1:48:50)
But one area is leadership training and coaching given the disconnect between

[Speaker 1] (1:48:51 - 1:49:09)
staff and leadership right now that disconnect the sort of worry about giving feedback to leadership how does leadership become culture carriers of a more inclusive environment for town staff many folks both on our survey and in our community jam noted a need for a community welcome initiative how do we make people who

[Speaker 1] (1:49:13 - 1:49:16)
This could be pamphlets. This could be actual,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:16 - 1:49:17)
you know, ambassador program,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:18 - 1:49:21)
things like that. People are already excited to volunteer to support that.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:24)
Learning and development opportunities for staff.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:24 - 1:49:27)
This was requested both by staff and by community members.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:28 - 1:49:34)
This would be, you know, DEI training or we don't want to call it that, but just totally fine.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:34 - 1:49:35)
Still community and feedback training,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:36 - 1:49:37)
leadership training,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:37 - 1:49:39)
people management training, that kind of thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:40 - 1:49:44)
There was also a lot of discussion around website prioritization and reorganization.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:44 - 1:49:47)
I recognize that that is a budgetary concern,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:47 - 1:49:50)
but it is something that feels high priority.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:50 - 1:50:09)
paradigm especially for community members uh bringing up the idea of creating town-wide community communication norms and guidelines so regardless of what department you work in regardless of what section of uh the town you work for here's the way we operate here are the things we say here are the ways we communicate with each other in different situations

[Speaker 1] (1:50:10 - 1:50:12)
And that's set across the town,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:12 - 1:50:14)
so creating some consistency in that area,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:14 - 1:50:19)
as well as communication norms and guidelines for how the town communicates with community members.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:20 - 1:50:21)
Similarly,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:21 - 1:50:23)
feedback mechanisms and processes,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:23 - 1:50:24)
again,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:24 - 1:50:30)
town-wide, both for internal staff and for how feedback for the town can work from the public.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:30 - 1:50:34)
Also naming other cross-department systems and processes,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:34 - 1:50:39)
so this kind of ties back to what you were just mentioning when it comes to hiring,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:39 - 1:50:40)
when it comes to exit processes,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:41 - 1:50:50)
when it comes to the handbook that Marianne was talking about, all those things that kind of make working at the town feel more inclusive from a structural perspective.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:51 - 1:50:52)
And then lastly,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:52 - 1:50:56)
a lot of what the community brought up was about events. How do we make events more inclusive,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:56 - 1:50:58)
not just from a race and gender perspective,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:58 - 1:51:24)
perspective but from a wide array of identity and access perspectives with a strong focus on disability inclusion accommodations for folks with different types of disabilities not just physical ones such as you know sensory disabilities medical conditions things like that so creating some sort of guideline system or checklist depending on what would work best for those who plan those things

[Speaker 1] (1:51:25 - 1:51:28)
And so just to give you a sense of how we move forward from here.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:29 - 1:51:30)
So right now we're in this transparency area,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:31 - 1:51:32)
aligning on findings,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:32 - 1:51:34)
making sure that we're discussing this with you all,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:34 - 1:51:38)
making sure that this report is available at some level to the public.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:39 - 1:51:45)
I believe it is now because this session is public and making sure that there's space for questions, which we're discussing right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:45 - 1:51:51)
From there, we move into our strategy sessions. So we have a couple strategy sessions that are sort of formal.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:51 - 1:52:20)
strategic facilitated conversations with myself and my colleague that will create our goals our priorities our objectives our actions all that to ultimately culminate in a roadmap that will be a tool that is a dynamic tool it's a living document that can be used as a central focus for how we move forward from there we highly recommend getting feedback on the roadmap before we make it official that can come from stakeholders both within town hall as well as community members

[Speaker 1] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
members,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:21 - 1:52:27)
many community members stated that they really would like to be able to see the roadmap and offer that feedback.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:27 - 1:52:29)
Even if we don't take it, right,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:29 - 1:52:31)
even if we say, you know what, thank you for that feedback,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:31 - 1:52:33)
unfortunately we can't do that for X, Y reason,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:33 - 1:52:36)
that would be preferred rather than not having the chance to get feedback at all.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:37 - 1:52:38)
And then we move into,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:38 - 1:52:40)
of course, the implementation phase, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:41 - 1:52:43)
How do we actually go about doing all this stuff?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:43 - 1:52:44)
What goes when,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:45 - 1:52:47)
which will be a part of the roadmap or timeline?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:47 - 1:52:48)
And how do we share in the effort,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:48 - 1:52:52)
right? Because community members have stated that they would like to share in the effort.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:52 - 1:52:55)
This does not all need to fall on leadership.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:55 - 1:52:57)
In fact, it can't. That would be way too much to do.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:58 - 1:53:00)
So we definitely encourage sharing that effort.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:02 - 1:53:05)
And that will conclude this presentation.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:07 - 1:53:07)
If

[Speaker 1] (1:53:07 - 1:53:10)
But I'll leave room for questions one more time in case anyone hasn't.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:11 - 1:53:12)
Yeah, Jesse,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:12 - 1:53:15)
would you be able to go back to the previous slide,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:15 - 1:53:17)
the potential avenues for

[Speaker 1] (1:53:17 - 1:53:17)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:17 - 1:53:17)
growth?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:18 - 1:53:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:18 - 1:53:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:18 - 1:53:19)
Just a second.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:19 - 1:53:20)
Let me reach it.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:20 - 1:53:20)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:24 - 1:53:24)
Take it.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:24 - 1:53:25)
Yep, thanks.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:25 - 1:53:32)
So just one of my hopes here is to make sure that this next chapter,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:32 - 1:53:39)
these potential avenues for growth, this plan that we're formulating, that we're working with our consultants to accomplish,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:39 - 1:53:43)
that it just doesn't sit in, that it's not completed and goes and sits in a drawer.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:43 - 1:53:46)
This is going to require commitment from us.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:46 - 1:53:50)
It's going to require commitment from the community. It's going to require financial commitments.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:51 - 1:54:06)
And these are things that, you know, just looking at community again, communication, it's website prioritisation and reorganisation. I mean we really need to look at how we're disseminating information uh and not just putting it on Facebook and not just sending out a newsletter,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:06 - 1:54:14)
but actually having a a professional who can who can help uh guide us through this process it's it's

[Speaker 3] (1:54:14 - 1:54:15)
It's extensive.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:15 - 1:54:24)
I mean when I started this we had a you know we had a an executive assistant to the to the town administrator and to the select board who also then morphed into

[Speaker 3] (1:54:25 - 1:54:26)
communications, and

[Speaker 4] (1:54:26 - 1:54:27)
Communications director.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:27 - 1:54:30)
then, and then, you know, she was gone.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:30 - 1:54:32)
And that kind of fell by the wayside,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:32 - 1:54:36)
you know, just kind of looking at the other avenues for growth, leadership training and coaching,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:36 - 1:54:38)
learning and development opportunities for staff.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:39 - 1:54:41)
There was employee recognition that was mentioned earlier.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:42 - 1:54:48)
You know, these are all things that we had, we did cut those out of our budget in fiscal year 26.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:48 - 1:54:53)
So I think if, you know, if we are to be serious about this, we do

[Speaker 3] (1:54:53 - 1:54:55)
We have to make, as a board,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:55 - 1:55:08)
and as the chief policy making board within the town, we have to make a commitment, financially, to this uh as well. So I I just wanna state that and I will cede my time. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:09 - 1:55:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:09 - 1:55:18)
And I think you know some of this stuff doesn't necessarily have to cost a lot, right? Uh right at the beginning anyway um the website to me has been

[Speaker 6] (1:55:19 - 1:55:25)
an albatross of a of a thing. I mean it really does no offence to anybody at all, but um

[Speaker 6] (1:55:26 - 1:55:51)
A lot of times we don't have enough information, we don't have it's not, you know, it's not interactive, it doesn't give residents the feeling that they can communicate with us. I think um, you know, like a couple months ago a resident had suggested like a suggestion box, just literally, you know, somewhere they could go and deposit like suggestions in in ways in that that's fairly simple to do on a website, but I was gonna ask Marcy, I don't know if there are grants out there or

[Speaker 6] (1:55:52 - 1:55:58)
anything for municipalities for website improvement. I thought there was. I thought I've seen that in some of the towns.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:59 - 1:56:14)
There's technology assistance that we can seek, um and actually uh part of the um the work that we have done with the Department of Housing and Livable Communities um uh were a community that listed uh technology as a uh one of the issues that we should be looking at.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:14 - 1:56:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:15 - 1:56:15)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:56:15 - 1:56:15)
So,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:15 - 1:56:17)
so maybe that's an avenue that we can explore.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:17 - 1:56:36)
to at least check that one off, which i which might not be a a big ask. Um but you're right, you know we did just go through a very difficult budget cycle. I don't think we necessarily cut everything out for development of staff or or training and coaching, but we certainly scaled it back. Um but I think it's, you know

[Speaker 6] (1:56:37 - 1:57:03)
I think that I think one of the pieces of feedback was that we operate a lot in silos so that's something that we have control over that we can kind of direct a little bit more collaboratively to understand each department and their needs for training for things that you know you might have some departments that don't necessarily necessitate as much training as others right so you know to know that we need to you know engage the department heads and understand

[Speaker 6] (1:57:03 - 1:57:21)
and really which ones are lacking and that's kind of, you know, something that Marianne maybe can focus on. Um, you know, but it is a big bite. There's a lot here. There's a lot of good information and it's, you know, it's all stuff that is good for us to know and but you're right, we can't just let it sit in a drawer, we need to action it.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:21 - 1:57:21)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:21 - 1:57:25)
And that has to start here. There's really nowhere else for that to go. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:57:26 - 1:57:43)
I'll name that while we've listed all this here like a menu of options it does not all have to happen at once I think as long as you communicate out when things will happen and you know name when there are changes in that schedule which will inevitably happen that's very positive

[Speaker 1] (1:57:44 - 1:58:09)
that would be a very positive change for people just to see okay this is what's happening this is when someone is accountable for this this is why it changed I will name something we always say which is that perfection is the enemy of the good right like progress is so much more important so you know as as you were saying you know things there are certain things on here that are free right creating communication norms and guidelines that's just

[Speaker 1] (1:58:10 - 1:58:38)
conversations and planning and approving it you know cross department systems and processes that's something that you all can do internally and we are happy to consult on that but understand that that can be expensive as well right so how there are definitely things on here that can be done for free things that are somewhat costly and things that are more costly so I think it's about prioritizing if your budget is shifting where the things where we're going to put money towards it where the things where we can ask for volunteers and kind of get it

[Speaker 1] (1:58:38 - 1:58:42)
get into the sort of details of that as we get into our strategic planning.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:43 - 1:59:04)
I wonder too Jesse if it makes sense just from the feedback like I know these you said this is a menu but there must be a hierarchy right things that feel like more bang for the buck right and the community really would like to see more than others so maybe if we could do some sort of like prioritization grid where it's like okay this is a high priority but it's a high cost but this is a low

[Speaker 2] (1:59:11 - 1:59:14)
You just need the first exercise of our strategic planning session,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:14 - 1:59:14)
Oh my gosh.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:14 - 1:59:15)
so congratulations.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:15 - 1:59:18)
thank you it's like tailor-made

[Speaker 1] (1:59:19 - 1:59:20)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:20 - 1:59:20)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:20 - 1:59:24)
we look forward to that. We thank you if everybody's good.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:24 - 1:59:25)
Yeah. Thank you,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:25 - 1:59:25)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:59:25 - 1:59:25)
Jesse.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:25 - 1:59:29)
thank you very much for your time and we look forward to the work now.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:30 - 1:59:31)
Thank you all.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:31 - 1:59:31)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:31 - 1:59:32)
Have a good night.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:34 - 1:59:45)
Okay, now with the indulgence of the board, I will move the consent agenda just because we do have a couple of folks who are here on behalf of the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:45 - 1:59:48)
So if everybody's okay with that.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:51 - 1:59:59)
So I just want to pull the, I'd like to amend the discussion impossible though on the Hawker peddlers license.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:59 - 2:00:18)
It became fishermen's and Phillips speech I spoke with the applicant and they're just looking for fishermen's not fishermen's and I think it was an or originally and so they're they're just looking at fishermen's right now and they're comfortable with that and so that's number four so

[Speaker 1] (2:00:19 - 2:00:21)
I would just propose that amendment.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:25 - 2:00:26)
So you're pulling that or just asking

[Speaker 1] (2:00:26 - 2:00:26)
Um

[Speaker 5] (2:00:26 - 2:00:26)
about it?

[Speaker 1] (2:00:26 - 2:00:28)
no, I I mean, I can't make a motion,

[Speaker 5] (2:00:28 - 2:00:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:28 - 2:00:38)
but I guess if I could, I would say it would just be read Fisherman's speech and not Fisherman's and Phillips. Um so that it could remain in the consent agenda as amended.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:39 - 2:00:41)
I just have a question about

[Speaker 1] (2:00:41 - 2:00:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:41 - 2:00:43)
that. So if I want to pull it through

[Speaker 1] (2:00:43 - 2:00:43)
Sure,

[Speaker 5] (2:00:43 - 2:00:43)
the question.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:43 - 2:00:43)
let's pull it then.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:43 - 2:00:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:44 - 2:00:44)
Sure. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:45 - 2:00:59)
So what remains on the consent agenda is the discussion of the reappointments, the discussion and possible vote on Andrea's taqueria on the alteration of premises and the state,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:59 - 2:01:04)
I'm sorry, the real estate tax exemption that we voted on in the town meeting in the minutes.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:04 - 2:01:05)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:05 - 2:01:05)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:06)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:06 - 2:01:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:08 - 2:01:12)
Can you pull the Water and Sewer Commission and Andrea's Taqueria?

[Speaker 1] (2:01:13 - 2:01:13)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:14 - 2:01:15)
Questions on that?

[Speaker 1] (2:01:15 - 2:01:16)
Water and sewer advisory,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:16 - 2:01:17)
wait,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:17 - 2:01:19)
water infrastructure advisory,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:19 - 2:01:20)
you want to pull that?

[Speaker 6] (2:01:21 - 2:01:24)
Right, pull that and the Taqueria.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:24 - 2:01:26)
And taqueria. Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:26 - 2:01:32)
so we are pulling 1i, 2 and 4 and we have a motion.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:33 - 2:01:34)
Yep, so moved as amended.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:35 - 2:01:36)
Sorry. Yes, um movie,

[Speaker 7] (2:01:36 - 2:01:37)
Yep. Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:37 - 2:01:40)
All those in favour of approving the consent agenda.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:40 - 2:01:40)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:40 - 2:01:40)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:40 - 2:01:47)
Aye. Okay, moving on to then um we'll go to um the pedestal licence first, Doug?

[Speaker 5] (2:01:47 - 2:01:52)
Just a quick question. So what would that mean, George? It you'll have a vehicle there

[Speaker 8] (2:01:52 - 2:01:54)
It's our ten by ten tent.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:54 - 2:01:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:55 - 2:01:59)
Marianne, would you mind just passing your microphone over just so folks at home can hear. Thank you, appreciate it.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:00 - 2:02:02)
Yeah, uh uh similar to what a a

[Speaker 9] (2:02:03 - 2:02:17)
The farmers market would be ten by ten tent, all weighed down, display table, table for a thing, a a griddle, um a couple coolers, and uh everything will be inside the tent. Um you know

[Speaker 5] (2:02:17 - 2:02:17)
So

[Speaker 9] (2:02:17 - 2:02:17)
Wednesday

[Speaker 5] (2:02:17 - 2:02:21)
this is we were giving you a pass basically to be there any time any day any where

[Speaker 9] (2:02:21 - 2:02:21)
No no.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:21 - 2:02:23)
between June

[Speaker 7] (2:02:23 - 2:02:23)
T

[Speaker 5] (2:02:23 - 2:02:27)
nineteenth and December thirtieth? I mean no seriously, what is

[Speaker 9] (2:02:27 - 2:02:27)
Yeah, I understand.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:27 - 2:02:27)
yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:27 - 2:02:31)
Yeah, so so my thinking was like eleven thirty till six, six thirty seven.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
Stay back.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
Saturday,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
Um,

[Speaker 7] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
it is Saturday.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:32 - 2:02:50)
Wednesday through Sunday, I'm also gonna be doing the the swamps got farmers market and other events. So I'm I'm not gonna be there all the time, um and really just open to like feedback. And, you know, I mean people are encum come in there at nine A_M_ that or at midnight, uh yeah, I mean but but reasonable enough hours.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:51 - 2:02:53)
Um is that do you have any con any thoughts about that?

[Speaker 5] (2:02:54 - 2:02:57)
Are we going to give them a recreation pass in order for them to have a spot there at Fishman's Beach?

[Speaker 10] (2:02:58 - 2:02:58)
Ah.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:58 - 2:02:58)
Um

[Speaker 7] (2:02:58 - 2:02:59)
He probably already has one I bet.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:02 - 2:03:03)
You should get one free though, huh?

[Speaker 8] (2:03:03 - 2:03:03)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (2:03:03 - 2:03:06)
So I think his suggestion was 11.30 to 6.30,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:06 - 2:03:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:07 - 2:03:09)
um and you said Wednesday to Sunday?

[Speaker 9] (2:03:09 - 2:03:13)
Yeah, and and I'll I I and I think the person that I'll be interacting with the most is Jeff on.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:13 - 2:03:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:14 - 2:03:15)
You didn't have this.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:15 - 2:03:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:16 - 2:03:18)
So that'll get set up like in a parking spot or

[Speaker 9] (2:03:18 - 2:03:23)
No no no, um uh you know where the um on the grass side where the there's a bench and

[Speaker 8] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23)
then there's

[Speaker 8] (2:03:23 - 2:03:24)
on the grass.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:24 - 2:03:25)
Oh, okay gotcha.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:25 - 2:03:27)
Yeah, I'm not going to take up parking. I

[Speaker 1] (2:03:27 - 2:03:28)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:28 - 2:03:28)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:03:28 - 2:03:31)
He knows, but after the last conversation,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:31 - 2:03:31)
it's

[Speaker 9] (2:03:31 - 2:03:32)
and and you

[Speaker 1] (2:03:32 - 2:03:32)
smart

[Speaker 9] (2:03:32 - 2:03:39)
know man. depending on busyness, you know, if it starts to be like what am I doing here at noon or what am I doing here going till 630. Oh,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:39 - 2:03:39)
new

[Speaker 5] (2:03:40 - 2:03:41)
This is a new thing, or new Yes, thing.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:41 - 2:03:41)
yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:41 - 2:03:42)
this is brand new.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:42 - 2:03:42)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:42 - 2:03:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:43 - 2:03:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:43 - 2:03:44)
Exciting. Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:44 - 2:03:45)
It cool. is exciting.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:45 - 2:03:46)
I don't have a problem with that.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:46 - 2:03:46)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (2:03:46 - 2:03:46)
Never.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:46 - 2:03:49)
so I'll take a motion on that motion

[Speaker 7] (2:03:49 - 2:03:49)
Move.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:49 - 2:03:50)
letter item.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:50 - 2:03:51)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:51 - 2:03:52)
All in favor?

[Speaker 5] (2:03:52 - 2:03:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:52 - 2:03:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:52 - 2:03:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:53 - 2:03:54)
Aye. Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:54 - 2:03:54)
Lights.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:54 - 2:03:55)
Good luck.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:55 - 2:04:04)
Um sh we'll move to um water and sewer infrastructure because um Mary Ellen, are you able to talk about that now or do you want to

[Speaker 6] (2:04:06 - 2:04:17)
Yeah, I'm going to talk about that. I just wanted to mention that I had sent an email both to the advisor and to the chair that I'm in support of Andrea Maury being

[Speaker 6] (2:04:18 - 2:04:42)
appointed to this committee especially as the founder of King's Beach and all the work that she does and I also would like to recommend Lauren Fisher I know Lauren was finishing her term but I know that she has expressed interest in the possibility of staying on so I just wanted to make sure I could share that with the other members of the board because I don't want to bring open meeting on.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:42 - 2:04:45)
Okay, I think that's my only comment.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:45 - 2:04:47)
Thank you. You want Yes. to speak?

[Speaker 7] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:47 - 2:04:58)
So to that point, we have, you know, we have reopened, you know, we've, Diane has just reopened the,

[Speaker 7] (2:04:59 - 2:05:05)
you know, she has it. Yeah, she has the application process. Sorry, my brain's not working right now.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:05 - 2:05:10)
But the application process is open. I believe it's open through the end of the end of June.

[Speaker 6] (2:05:10 - 2:05:11)
About two weeks, yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:11 - 2:05:12)
Yeah, two weeks.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:12 - 2:05:22)
So we're going to have so everybody who's already who has already applied will be considered and new applications will also be considered and we'll be taking that up.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:22 - 2:05:34)
I just I do need to have a to have a conversation with the with the chair, the new chair of water sewer infrastructure advisory and we will take that up at a meeting in July.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:35 - 2:05:37)
So we're just doing the renewals basically right now.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:37 - 2:05:38)
No, these

[Speaker 7] (2:05:38 - 2:05:38)
These

[Speaker 1] (2:05:38 - 2:05:38)
are actually the

[Speaker 7] (2:05:38 - 2:05:39)
are these

[Speaker 6] (2:05:39 - 2:05:39)
These

[Speaker 7] (2:05:39 - 2:05:39)
are

[Speaker 6] (2:05:39 - 2:05:39)
are appointments,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:39 - 2:05:40)
yeah

[Speaker 6] (2:05:40 - 2:05:40)
I think.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:40 - 2:05:43)
these are these are appointments that were recommended. These are alternates that are being

[Speaker 1] (2:05:43 - 2:05:43)
They're alternates

[Speaker 7] (2:05:43 - 2:05:44)
they're all being

[Speaker 1] (2:05:44 - 2:05:44)
being

[Speaker 7] (2:05:44 - 2:05:44)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:05:44 - 2:05:44)
selected

[Speaker 7] (2:05:44 - 2:05:45)
are being elevated

[Speaker 5] (2:05:45 - 2:05:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:45 - 2:05:45)
to full

[Speaker 5] (2:05:45 - 2:05:45)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:45 - 2:05:46)
to full members.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:46 - 2:05:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:46 - 2:05:47)
Yes

[Speaker 5] (2:05:47 - 2:05:47)
Okay, got it.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:48 - 2:05:50)
So I'll take a motion on the water

[Speaker 7] (2:05:50 - 2:05:51)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:05:51 - 2:05:51)
sewer.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:51 - 2:05:51)
moved

[Speaker 5] (2:05:51 - 2:05:51)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (2:05:51 - 2:05:52)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:52 - 2:05:53)
In favor?

[Speaker 7] (2:05:53 - 2:05:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:53 - 2:05:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:53 - 2:05:54)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:55 - 2:05:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:58 - 2:05:59)
Andrea's taqueria then.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:01 - 2:06:04)
The only question I have on Andrew's taqueria is, is Marissa there?

[Speaker 6] (2:06:05 - 2:06:09)
I just want to know, do we have to put the actual location? It says outdoor dining.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:09 - 2:06:13)
I just want to make sure that that's really clear.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:13 - 2:06:16)
What does outdoor dining mean? Does it have to be more explicit?

[Speaker 1] (2:06:16 - 2:06:18)
Well Marcy's here so I will let,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:18 - 2:06:18)
oh

[Speaker 8] (2:06:18 - 2:06:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:18 - 2:06:19)
No, I was just doing

[Speaker 6] (2:06:19 - 2:06:19)
I'm here too.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:20 - 2:06:20)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:06:20 - 2:06:22)
Marissa, sorry about that.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:22 - 2:06:23)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:23 - 2:06:24)
That's okay, I just joined.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:25 - 2:06:27)
So as a clarification,

[Speaker 6] (2:06:27 - 2:06:31)
this is all within your jurisdiction as a local licensing authority.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:31 - 2:06:36)
There's no subsequent paperwork that then needs to be filed with the ABCC.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:37 - 2:06:38)
So we can,

[Speaker 6] (2:06:38 - 2:06:44)
when I furnish the liquor license for Andres Taveria, the one that ultimately gets hung up in the store,

[Speaker 6] (2:06:44 - 2:06:49)
we can totally specify that the outdoor dining is relegated solely to the patio.

[Speaker 11] (2:06:51 - 2:06:52)
Right outside of his restaurant.

[Speaker 11] (2:06:52 - 2:06:53)
I think that's perfectly fair.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:55 - 2:06:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:57 - 2:07:06)
So I would like to make sure we do that, especially in light of the fact that we have had people come down in the neighborhood and express some issues with that.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:06 - 2:07:11)
And I'm pretty confident that the owner is in support of that too.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:12 - 2:07:12)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:12 - 2:07:16)
He is. He's nodding his head if you were here, you would see him.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
I can't see anything.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:19 - 2:07:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:19 - 2:07:20)
Hello,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:20 - 2:07:20)
Will.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:20 - 2:07:26)
So I will entertain a motion then for Andrea's soccer team.

[Speaker 5] (2:07:26 - 2:07:26)
So moved.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:27 - 2:07:28)
All in favor?

[Speaker 5] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:28 - 2:07:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:29 - 2:07:30)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (2:07:30 - 2:07:30)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (2:07:30 - 2:07:30)
thank you.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:30 - 2:07:31)
you.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:31 - 2:07:38)
That concludes the consent agenda. Thank you for the indulgence and we will move on to the TA search committee update.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:41 - 2:07:42)
Nobody's here for that.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:43 - 2:07:45)
We have a simple memo on that.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:45 - 2:07:46)
Okay. Oh, we do.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:46 - 2:07:47)
I'm sorry about that.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:47 - 2:07:47)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:07:47 - 2:07:50)
All right. I will read it from Heather Roman.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:50 - 2:08:06)
The Town Administrator Screening Committee requests your vote on June 18th to extend the search timeframe by 30 days, which will extend our time to July 25th, 2025, based on the timeline presented to you at our May 7th meeting. We expect to request one more extension after this. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:07 - 2:08:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:08 - 2:08:11)
I mean, I know we've all been involved in the conversations with the consultants.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:12 - 2:08:15)
I think he's well on his way now.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:15 - 2:08:20)
We feel like, I feel like we're moving in a positive forward motion.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:21 - 2:08:26)
So I'm happy to consider this, but anybody else?

[Speaker 7] (2:08:26 - 2:08:27)
I am too.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:27 - 2:08:27)
I'm quite,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:27 - 2:08:30)
are they only allowed to do 30 days at a time? Is that why I we're,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:30 - 2:08:30)
believe

[Speaker 7] (2:08:30 - 2:08:30)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:30 - 2:08:31)
that's correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
There's

[Speaker 7] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
a charter.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:31 - 2:08:32)
30 by charter.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:32 - 2:08:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:32 - 2:08:34)
So here we are again.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
So, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:36 - 2:08:37)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 5] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
Hi

[Speaker 9] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:37 - 2:08:38)
Very good.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:39 - 2:08:40)
All right. We're moving right along now.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:41 - 2:08:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:42 - 2:08:45)
Katie, does everybody have the timeline again?

[Speaker 6] (2:08:46 - 2:08:53)
Can you send out the timeline for what their process is? I just couldn't seem to find it yesterday.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:53 - 2:08:54)
I'll send it out.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:55 - 2:08:58)
Yes. Somebody will send it out if it's Diane or Marianne or... Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
Well, for public consumption I

[Speaker 3] (2:08:59 - 2:08:59)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (2:08:59 - 2:08:59)
consumption,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:59 - 2:08:59)
you.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:59 - 2:09:07)
I think it has gotten longer than least I think what I said the last time we talked about this publicly. So we are now talking about August,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:07 - 2:09:08)
August,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:08 - 2:09:08)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:09:08 - 2:09:09)
August, correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:09 - 2:09:20)
I I believe it's due to their accepting applications now through the beginning of July and then they're gonna start the interview process and I'm pretty sure they're looking at 20 applicants already. So

[Speaker 1] (2:09:20 - 2:09:20)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:21 - 2:09:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:21 - 2:09:23)
That's what his email said the other day.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:23 - 2:09:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:23 - 2:09:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:24 - 2:09:24)
Um

[Speaker 5] (2:09:24 - 2:09:27)
When are applications closing,

[Speaker 5] (2:09:27 - 2:09:27)
do we know?

[Speaker 5] (2:09:28 - 2:09:29)
Is there a final date here?

[Speaker 4] (2:09:30 - 2:09:31)
Yes, end of June.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:31 - 2:09:32)
End of June.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:32 - 2:09:32)
End of June.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:38 - 2:09:48)
Maybe if there is a TA search um part of the website, although we've just said how inadequate the website is, but we could update the timeline that we have somebody where to find it.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:49 - 2:09:49)
to make sure it's accurate.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:51 - 2:10:00)
Item number six will be tabled until next meeting as the community host agreements were not yet ready for discussion.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:01 - 2:10:08)
There was some back and forth with both parties and councils, so we'll table that till next meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:10 - 2:10:21)
Review determination and consent pursuant to Mass Rules of Professional Conduct from KP Law concerning the representation of the town of Swampside and the haunt relative to the intrapreneur's civil agreement for the shared building commissioner service.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:22 - 2:10:22)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:23 - 2:10:27)
so this came up because KP Law represents Nahant and Swampscott,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:27 - 2:10:27)
um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:27 - 2:10:29)
as they represent many municipalities,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:29 - 2:10:30)
um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:30 - 2:10:33)
and we asked them to prepare an agreement, um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:34 - 2:10:35)
an inter-municipal agreement,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:35 - 2:10:36)
um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:36 - 2:10:40)
for us to share the building commissioner and because they have, um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:41 - 2:10:43)
a conflict of interest, we have to waive it.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:43 - 2:10:44)
So, um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:44 - 2:10:46)
that is why this is on here.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:46 - 2:10:47)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:47 - 2:10:49)
happy to answer any questions or otherwise.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:50 - 2:10:52)
Is that is it your recommendation that we wave it?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:52 - 2:11:00)
I do not represent the town in any capacity. However, I spoke with town council and obviously it's their recommendation. It's a straightforward process.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:02 - 2:11:05)
Their representation of Nahant doesn't change.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:05 - 2:11:11)
You know, they're not gaining anything additional out of the relationship other than they represent both parties.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:13 - 2:11:14)
It seemed pretty straightforward.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:14 - 2:11:15)
It seems pretty straightforward.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
So moved.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:17 - 2:11:17)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:17 - 2:11:17)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:17 - 2:11:18)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:18 - 2:11:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:19 - 2:11:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:19 - 2:11:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:19 - 2:11:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:21 - 2:11:22)
Cruising now.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:22 - 2:11:24)
Wait, I have a question on that.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:24 - 2:11:24)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:24 - 2:11:28)
When are we going to have the agreement?

[Speaker 1] (2:11:28 - 2:11:33)
Well, I believe we will have the agreement as soon as we waive the conflict.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:33 - 2:11:38)
They could not give it to us before we waived the conflict or else they would be practicing outside of professional conduct rules.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:39 - 2:11:40)
Right, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:40 - 2:11:42)
So I will I will ask tomorrow.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:43 - 2:11:44)
Have it at the next meeting.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:44 - 2:11:45)
Maybe Friday.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:46 - 2:11:47)
Maybe Friday.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:47 - 2:11:49)
I'll ask tomorrow but they don't have to answer.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:49 - 2:11:51)
I don't have the day off unfortunately.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:51 - 2:11:56)
Okay, Hawthorne Reuse Advisory Committee. We have our chair here.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:56 - 2:11:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:57 - 2:11:57)
Welcome.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:57 - 2:11:59)
Thank you for waiting.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:59 - 2:12:00)
Well, that's all right.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:00 - 2:12:01)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:01 - 2:12:02)
Shall I go ahead?

[Speaker 1] (2:12:02 - 2:12:03)
Please.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:03 - 2:12:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:03 - 2:12:05)
I just have a brief report.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:05 - 2:12:06)
My name is Brian Watson.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:07 - 2:12:10)
Our committee's had six meetings so far.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:11 - 2:12:13)
We have the seventh one next week.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:14 - 2:12:18)
We've been trying to meet every two weeks to kind of keep the pressure on ourselves.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:19 - 2:12:22)
All the meetings are public and we welcome comments.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:23 - 2:12:26)
In our earliest meetings,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:26 - 2:12:31)
we spent some time discussing the committee's mission generally.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:32 - 2:12:50)
um and spend some time you know getting a handle on what that mission required of the committee it wasn't you know necessarily easy because uh the committee is diverse with 13 people so it took some serious discussion but but but i think we did a good job of it

[Speaker 6] (2:12:50 - 2:12:54)
We then sort of went into a sort of research phase.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:54 - 2:13:01)
We investigated the site as a group. We visited the Hawthorne site as a group and we talked about the history

[Speaker 2] (2:13:01 - 2:13:03)
We are the first 13 people,

[Speaker 2] (2:13:03 - 2:13:04)
so it took some serious discussion.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:04 - 2:13:05)
But

[Speaker 4] (2:13:06 - 2:13:07)
But Laura...

[Speaker 1] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:10 - 2:13:12)
We talked about the history of Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:12 - 2:13:15)
history of the development of the site, you know, from say 1900 to the present,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:15 - 2:13:17)
and it varied quite a bit.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:17 - 2:13:30)
Um we talked briefly about the conservation issues that that any development will have to respect. Uh we also generated a list of factors and considerations, goals,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:31 - 2:13:33)
realities, criteria etc.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:34 - 2:13:45)
There there's a necessary limit to it. Um factors with which uh we are and will evaluate and compare the plans. We're sort of in the process of

[Speaker 6] (2:13:45 - 2:14:13)
uh evaluating them now but but we aren't rushing to conclusions we we're leaning this way or that way but we're still really in an investigative uh phase eventually we'll you know reduce the number and we'll start to become probably tighter about comparing the plans um some of the factors uh in that list of factors some of the factors wouldn't surprise you you know the financial viability of any plan the environmental

[Speaker 6] (2:14:14 - 2:14:16)
pros and cons of any plan,

[Speaker 6] (2:14:16 - 2:14:19)
the amount of green space or park space,

[Speaker 6] (2:14:20 - 2:14:22)
the amount of building construction,

[Speaker 6] (2:14:22 - 2:14:24)
the amount of parking,

[Speaker 6] (2:14:24 - 2:14:33)
the potential popularity of the plan in terms of how will the town feel about plan XYZ, and many more factors.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:35 - 2:14:38)
We are also engaged in educating ourselves.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:38 - 2:14:55)
You might remember when I was here a year or so ago and I said that one of my criticisms of the last process was that the consultant kind of skipped any consciousness raising about the many aspects that a town could use to compare plans,

[Speaker 6] (2:14:55 - 2:14:56)
you know.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:56 - 2:14:58)
We're trying to fix that.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:58 - 2:15:04)
We're trying to say there are many things that people could look at. Many people will have

[Speaker 6] (2:15:05 - 2:15:33)
items that they think are more important than others so we as a committee we we feel like we would like to be fairly educated in various aspects we all bring something to the to the committee but we feel that's sort of a way to model what we hope the citizenry citizenry ultimately will will do and we also think that it it will ultimately help us pick a better plan

[Speaker 6] (2:15:33 - 2:15:44)
Um so we've looked at a range of things to to uh educate ourselves and we don't stop we sort of it's a process that sort of overlaps and is simultaneously with evaluating plans.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:44 - 2:15:48)
Uh I mentioned we were in a research investigatory phase.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:48 - 2:15:51)
We have drawn I think eighteen or nineteen

[Speaker 6] (2:15:52 - 2:16:09)
site plans and they are concept plans meaning they they show an outlined footprint of buildings and their arrangement on the site and we've drawn them deliberately kind of ranging from the most green space say a maximum green space

[Speaker 6] (2:16:09 - 2:16:34)
up to say a most you know most building construction plan so if you look at the drawings are on the website so as you look at them as you go from the beginning to the end you see that you kind of see it's loose but you see an increasing amount of building on the site you could call it less the more development and the other thing that's interesting is the ideas represented in the plans come from many people so

[Speaker 6] (2:16:36 - 2:16:49)
different people have suggested different things and we've, the committee's tried to try to sketch any sort of plausible re uh reasonable plan content. Uh s uh

[Speaker 6] (2:16:49 - 2:17:11)
We you know we we think we've captured most of the concepts and in fact we've even started to modify some of the concepts You know the committee looks at these plans and they say you know okay This has a feature here alike and this but this other plan has a feature Can we compare the can we combine the two so the plans are by no means etched in stone and we encourage

[Speaker 6] (2:17:12 - 2:17:21)
Anybody, everybody in town to look at them and they see something, if they think something is missing, if citizens think something is missing,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:21 - 2:17:26)
now is the time to please let us know because, you know, although we're evaluating the plans,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:26 - 2:17:31)
we haven't gone deep into, you know, discarding plans.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:32 - 2:17:34)
If I could stop you right there, Brian, I just have a couple of questions.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:34 - 2:17:35)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:17:35 - 2:17:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:35 - 2:17:35)
sorry.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:37 - 2:17:37)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:17:39 - 2:18:05)
Where is the input coming from? So when you say people you know suggest different ideas, like a random people just emailing the committee to say I would like to see what this plan looks like or is it the committee itself in into my to further elaborate on that, how do we get from eighteen schematic designs to a decision on what exactly is going to go there? I mean how what does that process look like?

[Speaker 7] (2:18:05 - 2:18:06)
And, you know

[Speaker 6] (2:18:07 - 2:18:12)
Yeah. Um the ideas have come from a variety of places.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:13 - 2:18:28)
We started off with many plans that came from the earlier process. Uh out of that process came some green space plans, um some plans with a modicum of street buildings. Um

[Speaker 6] (2:18:29 - 2:18:33)
So many of the plans came from the ideas of people on the committee Um

[Speaker 7] (2:18:33 - 2:18:34)
Okay, okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:34 - 2:18:52)
and and the the last one would be as you said it sounds funny but random ideas from citizens who Bless you. bless you many I mean many citizens have spoken to me and said is this is this a reasonable idea and and uh

[Speaker 7] (2:18:52 - 2:18:54)
So my only question my reason for asking

[Speaker 2] (2:19:10 - 2:19:14)
When are we actually going to engage the whole community to understand

[Speaker 1] (2:19:14 - 2:19:15)
Yep,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:15 - 2:19:20)
which one they want, right? How long do we continue to, you know, vet different options and,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:20 - 2:19:22)
you know, as we do,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:22 - 2:19:25)
we waste more and more time. I don't mean to say waste time, but yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:25 - 2:19:26)
spend.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:26 - 2:19:26)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:19:26 - 2:19:27)
Takes more and more time.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:27 - 2:19:28)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:19:28 - 2:19:29)
And we want people to be involved,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:29 - 2:19:32)
but we also want to get something there at some point that is

[Speaker 1] (2:19:32 - 2:19:32)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:32 - 2:19:33)
going

[Speaker 1] (2:19:33 - 2:19:33)
we started

[Speaker 2] (2:19:33 - 2:19:33)
to make people happy.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:33 - 2:19:35)
when we yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:19:35 - 2:19:35)
Sorry, if I just might.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:35 - 2:19:36)
go ahead

[Speaker 3] (2:19:36 - 2:19:36)
I think

[Speaker 4] (2:19:38 - 2:19:42)
When we diverted from the original process to this process,

[Speaker 4] (2:19:43 - 2:19:51)
the two things that we felt like, I think we echoed to the committee that were most important is that it be a transparent and public process.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:51 - 2:19:55)
And that is because people felt like the process that we originally had was neither.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:58 - 2:20:05)
I think what's important about the transparency part of the process is that there's a really clear criteria that you guys present,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:05 - 2:20:10)
but at some point there will be public engagement. Hopefully it will be, you know, sooner rather than later,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:10 - 2:20:10)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:10 - 2:20:12)
but it can be overwhelming to present 18 ideas,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:13)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:13 - 2:20:13)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:13 - 2:20:13)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:20:13 - 2:20:18)
So when I think about it, you know, if the committee creates a criteria and says,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:18 - 2:20:21)
okay, we started with 20 and we got down to 10,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:21 - 2:20:22)
but this is the criteria we used,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:22 - 2:20:26)
then you're one enabling public input into the criteria to say maybe.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:26 - 2:20:28)
Maybe you did this wrong or that wrong,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:28 - 2:20:33)
but then also you're enabling public comment into the 10 ideas you have.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:33 - 2:20:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:33 - 2:20:36)
So I don't know if that's the right answer,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:36 - 2:20:40)
but to me it feels like we need to both have a transparent process,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:40 - 2:20:50)
which makes it really clear how the committee got to where it was when it's then engaging the public on what the feedback is. Because if the public comes back again and says, well, none of this represents.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:51 - 2:20:57)
What I thought I was saying when I sat in this room and expressed my frustration with the original process,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:57 - 2:20:59)
then we have a second failure on our hands.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:59 - 2:21:03)
Right so at what point do we say okay here are the 18 ideas out

[Speaker 1] (2:21:03 - 2:21:03)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:03 - 2:21:03)
on

[Speaker 1] (2:21:03 - 2:21:03)
it's if like I

[Speaker 2] (2:21:03 - 2:21:04)
know they're

[Speaker 1] (2:21:04 - 2:21:04)
can

[Speaker 2] (2:21:04 - 2:21:04)
on the just, website

[Speaker 1] (2:21:04 - 2:21:10)
let me just cut you off because I can help you out with this. When you did sort of interrupt my talk,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:10 - 2:21:12)
I was about to say the committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:12 - 2:21:14)
you know, moves.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:17 - 2:21:42)
steadily not I don't want to say slowly but we're methodical we move but we do move steadily and we've had a lot of meetings and we have reached some conclusions we are no longer looking at 18 plants there are 18 plants there the point of putting those all on the website is we do want the town to see that we looked at all those plans and some of those plans that we have already decided as a committee we don't like some people weren't happy with that we so

[Speaker 1] (2:21:43 - 2:21:46)
And so what plans have we eliminated already?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:46 - 2:21:50)
If you look at, say, the first four or five or six on the site,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:50 - 2:21:53)
we have as a committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:53 - 2:21:56)
you know, said those don't – let me give you an example.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:56 - 2:22:00)
There was a plan – there was one plan that was just completely parked.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:00 - 2:22:03)
I'm using this example only because it's simple,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:03 - 2:22:04)
simple and easy to describe.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:04 - 2:22:05)
One plan was all green, all parked.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:06 - 2:22:07)
Now, a lot of people –

[Speaker 1] (2:22:07 - 2:22:09)
Probably a lot of people would support that.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:09 - 2:22:11)
But the committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:11 - 2:22:12)
because the committee's been,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:14 - 2:22:14)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:14 - 2:22:15)
because,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:15 - 2:22:16)
So how did you come to that determination that

[Speaker 1] (2:22:16 - 2:22:16)
right,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:16 - 2:22:17)
it was in?

[Speaker 1] (2:22:17 - 2:22:17)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:17 - 2:22:21)
the committee as a group had a big discussion about it.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:21 - 2:22:32)
And one of the things our committee as a group, all 13 of us, are doing is we're saying things like, will the financial pros and cons of a plan play a role in this?

[Speaker 1] (2:22:32 - 2:22:33)
And the whole committee said,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:33 - 2:22:34)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:34 - 2:22:36)
The whole committee said, we can't have a plan.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:37 - 2:22:41)
That's only money going out. We need a plan that generates some revenue.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:41 - 2:22:42)
Now we haven't decided the balance,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:43 - 2:22:46)
but the committee was unanimous with one,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:46 - 2:22:56)
you know, maybe that a park would cost a lot of money. It would cost 10 to 12 million to develop the whole site as a good park now,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:56 - 2:22:57)
I mean a really top-notch park.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:58 - 2:22:59)
You take the Horth on down,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:59 - 2:23:02)
that's $500,000 plus the asphalt is $75,000.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:03 - 2:23:07)
So you're $600,000 to the demolition, you're another $10 million to build the park,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:12)
and then every year you have a certain amount of maintenance.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:12 - 2:23:19)
You know, it's $30,000 a year probably to maintain it. And I talked with Gino Crester about what they pay the contractors who maintain our green space.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:19 - 2:23:26)
So that's money that would go up. And now you get a beautiful park, but the committee as a whole said, look.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:27 - 2:23:29)
We could do a substantial amount of green space,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:30 - 2:23:31)
have a really large park,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:31 - 2:23:37)
but if we just as an example, if we put a row of buildings along the street and a little bit of parking,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:37 - 2:23:41)
we could generate 100 or 200,000 a year in property taxes.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:41 - 2:23:45)
So we have reached conclusions,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:45 - 2:23:46)
but...

[Speaker 1] (2:23:47 - 2:23:50)
We are trying to go slow enough as a committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:50 - 2:23:53)
because we're a strong-willed bunch of people,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:53 - 2:24:00)
we're trying to respect, you know, everybody's desire to weigh in and speak.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:00 - 2:24:03)
And we will move fast enough.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:03 - 2:24:07)
As a committee, we've set our goal to finish by November.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:07 - 2:24:11)
You know, I mean, that's the goal, to finish by November. The restaurant is there.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:12 - 2:24:13)
Until December 1st.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:14 - 2:24:17)
So that was six months, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:18 - 2:24:21)
So that was a six month process.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:21 - 2:24:26)
That's extremely fast for what we're trying to do. You know, this is a challenging site.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:26 - 2:24:30)
The other decision we made as a whole committee was

[Speaker 1] (2:24:31 - 2:24:34)
If the site remains just the Hawthorne site,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:35 - 2:24:36)
not the Tresh law too,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:36 - 2:24:39)
but if we only end up with the Hawthorne site,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:39 - 2:24:42)
the committee agreed that the restaurant should come down.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:42 - 2:24:44)
The Hawthorne restaurant should be demolished.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:44 - 2:24:48)
That was the committee's thinking.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:48 - 2:24:50)
I'm not saying it's yours and I'm not saying that's what happens.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:50 - 2:24:54)
All I'm saying is our committee is trying to,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:54 - 2:24:59)
you know, we sort of feel liberated that what you want from us is our best.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:59 - 2:25:09)
intellectual analysis and what you you know we'll give you the recognition and if you don't like it you won't take it but we couldn't we couldn't rationalize

[Speaker 1] (2:25:10 - 2:25:12)
If the site is only the one site,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:12 - 2:25:18)
how does a town that just paid $7 million to buy this because they were told there would be a park and no restaurant,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:19 - 2:25:21)
how does the town come back and say,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:21 - 2:25:21)
well,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:21 - 2:25:21)
oops,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:21 - 2:25:24)
we're going to just rent it out for another restaurant?

[Speaker 1] (2:25:24 - 2:25:27)
That didn't feel right to us, and the finances,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:27 - 2:25:29)
I don't know what the finances would be on that.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:29 - 2:25:31)
But as a committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:31 - 2:25:34)
all I'm saying is as a committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:34 - 2:25:35)
it was unanimous.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:36 - 2:25:36)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:25:36 - 2:25:37)
So we,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
understand

[Speaker 1] (2:25:37 - 2:25:38)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:38 - 2:25:48)
the processes that you're going through and I understand they're cumbersome and that there's a lot of personality and a lot of opinions and I don't envy your position because it's a really hard,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:48 - 2:25:49)
I think of all the committees we've seated,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:49 - 2:25:51)
this is a very difficult committee,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:51 - 2:25:51)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:25:52 - 2:25:56)
What I do hope is, yes, what you first said about,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:56 - 2:26:03)
you know, we assembled a team of intellectuals, sophisticated people to have conversation about that property.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:04 - 2:26:07)
But I don't want you to lose the pulse of the community.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:07 - 2:26:08)
Absolutely. We

[Speaker 4] (2:26:08 - 2:26:08)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:26:08 - 2:26:08)
did

[Speaker 4] (2:26:08 - 2:26:08)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:26:08 - 2:26:08)
talk.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:08 - 2:26:10)
think that's important to just,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:10 - 2:26:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:10 - 2:26:13)
and that doesn't mean you're not doing it, I just want to iterate that.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:13 - 2:26:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:15 - 2:26:17)
You can absolutely have your opinion,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:17 - 2:26:22)
but you want it to be rooted in something that you feel like is representational of the community's viewpoint.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:22 - 2:26:24)
So, for example, your example about the park,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:25 - 2:26:30)
if the community overwhelmingly wanted it to be 100% open space and it was going to cost 10 million.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:31 - 2:26:33)
Sure, you can present something to say,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:33 - 2:26:34)
well, if it was 90% open space,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:34 - 2:26:38)
we could fund the open space by having this 10% be commercial.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:38 - 2:26:39)
That's absolutely plausible.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:39 - 2:26:41)
But maybe what we shouldn't do is then.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:42 - 2:26:46)
dismiss it because the committee doesn't believe that it's the best decision going forward.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:46 - 2:26:46)
That's all I'm saying.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:46 - 2:26:47)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:48 - 2:26:49)
I want to say two things.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:49 - 2:26:50)
You mentioned the public process.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:50 - 2:26:52)
I mean the public exposure.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:52 - 2:26:56)
A couple of times our committee has actually articulated in the committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:56 - 2:27:04)
I raised it one time and I said, do you think it's time for us to put all the drawings on the wall of the gymnasium and have the people come by and we talked about it a lot,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:04 - 2:27:07)
but because there weren't a lot of drawings and because the committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:08 - 2:27:08)
I mean.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:08 - 2:27:23)
The consensus on the committee was no way, because the committee itself didn't feel like it even had its own ground to stand on. We just felt we would be buffeted left and right by 150 citizens who would just give us, you know, many different opinions,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:23 - 2:27:24)
which is great.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:27 - 2:27:31)
I hope you understand that the committee itself is 13 people.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:31 - 2:27:35)
And believe me, democracy of this town is represented just in our committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:35 - 2:27:42)
So it's like we know there are a lot of people that would like to hold Green Park.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:42 - 2:27:44)
We know there are people who would like to cover with buildings.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:45 - 2:27:51)
It's almost in a sense, at this point, as a couple of people in the committee said, it wasn't useful.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:51 - 2:27:56)
You know, and don't get me wrong on that, we're we're very interested in integrating with the community.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:56 - 2:27:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:57 - 2:28:06)
Just just you know comments and and a couple questions. So Brian, so thank you to you and and your and your committee for this work. This is this is a heavy lift.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:06 - 2:28:06)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:06 - 2:28:08)
So certainly thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:09 - 2:28:16)
I tried to follow some of the meetings and watch on teams. It's it's very difficult.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:16 - 2:28:19)
To hear it's very difficult to follow what

[Speaker 1] (2:28:19 - 2:28:20)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 5] (2:28:20 - 2:28:20)
you're

[Speaker 1] (2:28:20 - 2:28:20)
is.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:20 - 2:28:20)
doing.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:21 - 2:28:40)
I know that you're, you know, you're trying to have a dialogue amongst your team and you're sitting around a table, but I'm just curious if there's a way to present that slightly better on television because I know one of your criticisms before was the process and it was behind closed doors.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:40 - 2:28:42)
This is a public process,

[Speaker 5] (2:28:42 - 2:28:43)
however it's.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:43 - 2:28:47)
It's still difficult for me to follow,

[Speaker 5] (2:28:47 - 2:28:49)
and if it's difficult for me and it's difficult for those in the

[Speaker 13] (2:28:49 - 2:28:50)
industry,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:53 - 2:28:53)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:28:53 - 2:28:53)
provide

[Speaker 2] (2:28:53 - 2:28:55)
yeah, is it because you can't see the drawings?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:55 - 2:28:56)
it's because we can't we can't

[Speaker 3] (2:28:56 - 2:28:56)
You can't

[Speaker 1] (2:28:56 - 2:28:56)
see

[Speaker 3] (2:28:56 - 2:28:57)
hear

[Speaker 1] (2:28:57 - 2:28:57)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:28:57 - 2:28:57)
sometimes

[Speaker 1] (2:28:57 - 2:28:58)
can't hear yeah

[Speaker 3] (2:28:58 - 2:28:58)
The

[Speaker 1] (2:28:58 - 2:28:58)
it's

[Speaker 3] (2:28:58 - 2:29:05)
way you're set up it's not easy to hear the conversation It's not easy to see what you're talking about so you don't have the context for it. There's a lot of yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:29:05 - 2:29:12)
so just I'm I'm just I'm Yeah, yeah so it's just just just keep that keep that in mind uh you know as you're moving forward as your as your committee's moving forward

[Speaker 1] (2:29:12 - 2:29:15)
or because there are people that do want to follow along, that do want to participate.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:16 - 2:29:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:16 - 2:29:22)
And we are, this this process is certainly more comprehensive, but we want to make sure that you know

[Speaker 2] (2:29:22 - 2:29:23)
Yes, I get it. Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:23 - 2:29:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:23 - 2:29:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:24 - 2:29:27)
And some sometimes there's public engagement and you can't hear what the public says and

[Speaker 4] (2:29:27 - 2:29:27)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:27 - 2:29:30)
then you respond, but you don't know the context of your response because you can't hear what the public said.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:31 - 2:29:31)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:29:31 - 2:29:32)
Yeah, from members

[Speaker 3] (2:29:32 - 2:29:32)
from

[Speaker 1] (2:29:32 - 2:29:35)
who were sitting in the audience because there's not a microphone

[Speaker 3] (2:29:35 - 2:29:36)
Oh, he's talking.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:36 - 2:29:36)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:36 - 2:29:36)
and

[Speaker 3] (2:29:36 - 2:29:37)
He's got a

[Speaker 2] (2:29:37 - 2:29:37)
because

[Speaker 3] (2:29:37 - 2:29:37)
a microphone

[Speaker 2] (2:29:37 - 2:29:37)
they

[Speaker 3] (2:29:37 - 2:29:37)
or something.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:37 - 2:29:38)
don't have a microphone,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:38 - 2:29:38)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:38 - 2:29:39)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:39 - 2:29:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:39 - 2:29:39)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:39 - 2:29:45)
One of the other questions that I had was just about, and it's certainly not my view,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:45 - 2:29:51)
but there are people in town who have inquired, is the Hawthorne Reuse Committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:51 - 2:29:56)
have they discussed the sale of the property as an option? Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:57 - 2:30:11)
This Oh yes. You mean so yeah, well I can tell you that the committee has oftentimes taken a few minutes to talk about you know I I've said we're reviewing plans, but we try to integrate in how would these plans become reality?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:12 - 2:30:24)
When you see the plans that have buildings grouped toward the front of the site and you see a decent park, you know, at the back side, one of the presumptions of our committee,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:24 - 2:30:24)
and again,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:24 - 2:30:26)
we're not etched in stone, but, you know, where we're leaning,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:26 - 2:30:28)
I don't want to get too far in front of the committee,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:28 - 2:30:33)
but we're leaning toward if that were to be the case,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:33 - 2:30:41)
the town would either have a long-year lease, like a 99-year lease, of that rectangle of land.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:41 - 2:30:42)
It,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:42 - 2:30:42)
again,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:42 - 2:30:46)
along Humphrey Street or would literally sell, say,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:47)
$2 million,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:47 - 2:30:50)
you know, one-third of the site.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:50 - 2:30:51)
The front third,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:51 - 2:30:52)
the rest would be parked.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:53 - 2:30:54)
So those are just,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:54 - 2:30:59)
I mean, we are not at all pretending that the town is going to build buildings.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:59 - 2:31:00)
I mean, the town is not a developer.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:01 - 2:31:03)
So if we propose...

[Speaker 2] (2:31:04 - 2:31:20)
30 or 40 thousand square feet of buildings you know maybe maybe some along the street and in a little L or something you know that's still very grouped toward the street but our thinking at this moment and we we haven't gone too deep because the committee hasn't even said that's what we want

[Speaker 2] (2:31:21 - 2:31:23)
But our thinking is, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:23 - 2:31:27)
it would be realistic to make an RFP at the end of this process,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:27 - 2:31:32)
ask developers if they would be willing to build essentially the diagram we give them,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:32 - 2:31:34)
that we specify the number of stories,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:34 - 2:31:35)
one,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:35 - 2:31:35)
two, or three,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:35 - 2:31:38)
we specify the gross outlines of the buildings,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:38 - 2:31:41)
not the literal dimensions necessarily, but pretty close,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:41 - 2:31:45)
and we specify where the parking would be because,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:45 - 2:31:47)
you know, they'd have to.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:47 - 2:31:52)
Accommodate some number of cars and and that would be the way it would get done

[Speaker 3] (2:31:53 - 2:31:53)
Go ahead, Doug.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:54 - 2:31:54)
Yeah

[Speaker 5] (2:31:54 - 2:31:56)
Hmm. My first question is, Marcy,

[Speaker 5] (2:31:56 - 2:31:57)
are you attending these meetings?

[Speaker 6] (2:31:57 - 2:31:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:01 - 2:32:07)
I have to say that the primary feeling I'm having right now is that

[Speaker 5] (2:32:10 - 2:32:14)
I'm not sure that we're giving you

[Speaker 7] (2:32:14 - 2:32:15)
The correct skill.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:15 - 2:32:17)
sufficient guidance,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:17 - 2:32:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:17 - 2:32:28)
um i it it feels like you're being put in a place, the committee's being put in a place to make some really significant trade-offs

[Speaker 7] (2:32:28 - 2:32:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:28 - 2:32:29)
with maybe

[Speaker 5] (2:32:30 - 2:32:36)
A lot of the information, but maybe not all of the information necessary to make those trade-offs.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:37 - 2:32:37)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:37 - 2:32:46)
I mean, just as a simple what if, like, and this is not a position for me, but I know there might be someone sitting here that might have this position. Um.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:47 - 2:32:54)
Yeah, maybe it costs $10 million to do a park and it's all green space, but there are grants out there and like that's the best route.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:55 - 2:32:57)
I think that's one of the reasons why the library thing came along, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:32:58 - 2:33:00)
It's like maybe there's a way to actually get the money to do that.

[Speaker 9] (2:33:00 - 2:33:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:01 - 2:33:03)
You know, is that is the committee capable?

[Speaker 5] (2:33:05 - 2:33:05)
Of assessing,

[Speaker 5] (2:33:06 - 2:33:17)
is it fair for us to be expecting this committee to be integrating and weighing and basically playing kind of quasi-developer and figuring out all the pros and cons of this?

[Speaker 10] (2:33:17 - 2:33:21)
This isn't quite how I envisioned this unfolding,

[Speaker 10] (2:33:21 - 2:33:21)
right?

[Speaker 10] (2:33:21 - 2:33:27)
I mean, this could just be me, but I was envisioning the committee to be tasked with

[Speaker 10] (2:33:28 - 2:33:54)
finding options, you know, or suggesting and in drawing out options for potential use of the space, and then almost immediately involving the community to get their feedback, be it you know stickers, you know, on on plans or um a survey of here are the you know fifteen choices, and then kind of taking the ball and and going from there, right? So I I

[Speaker 10] (2:33:55 - 2:34:02)
And I think that's partly our fault for not better defining the scope maybe of of how this committee was to to proceed.

[Speaker 10] (2:34:03 - 2:34:14)
But to be making assumptions like okay this we we kind of discarded the one that's all green space because of you know whatever the 13 people on this committee felt, that's kind of like

[Speaker 10] (2:34:15 - 2:34:35)
actually contrary to what my hope was for the process, because I wanted to I want the fifteen thousand people of this town to tell me what they want. And I want that to guide how this process goes, right. Not that I have any less respect for the thirteen people on this committee, but the role of those people, in my mind, and I could be wrong,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:36 - 2:34:42)
was really just to kind of create the ideas to get this thing off the ground and then bring it to the people to find out what they really.

[Speaker 10] (2:34:42 - 2:34:43)
felt.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:43 - 2:34:46)
Can I piggyback, I know Marcy wants to get into it, just if I may just,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:46 - 2:34:49)
it may be time.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:49 - 2:34:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:50 - 2:35:02)
To have a session, a public session, Mm-hmm. I think what would be helpful is whether it's eighteen or the twelve or the whatever it is, um and you know the pros and cons that

[Speaker 2] (2:35:02 - 2:35:02)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:02 - 2:35:04)
you all have assembled so far.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:05 - 2:35:07)
Like let's have it let's have a public check-in.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:07 - 2:35:07)
I mean I'm not

[Speaker 2] (2:35:07 - 2:35:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:08 - 2:35:08)
so sure that the dots

[Speaker 3] (2:35:08 - 2:35:09)
I'll temperature

[Speaker 5] (2:35:09 - 2:35:09)
on the

[Speaker 3] (2:35:09 - 2:35:09)
check,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:09 - 2:35:09)
thing

[Speaker 3] (2:35:09 - 2:35:09)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:09 - 2:35:13)
really ultimately is right. But a public check-in you could

[Speaker 2] (2:35:13 - 2:35:14)
I think what would work

[Speaker 5] (2:35:14 - 2:35:14)
make

[Speaker 2] (2:35:14 - 2:35:15)
really

[Speaker 5] (2:35:15 - 2:35:16)
sure you're getting other input.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:16 - 2:35:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:16 - 2:35:23)
You know, besides the 13 of you now, maybe some other people have a different viewpoint on some data that you have about pros and cons.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:23 - 2:35:24)
But let's see

[Speaker 2] (2:35:24 - 2:35:24)
If

[Speaker 5] (2:35:24 - 2:35:24)
where

[Speaker 2] (2:35:24 - 2:35:25)
we could

[Speaker 5] (2:35:25 - 2:35:25)
we're at.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:25 - 2:35:29)
I think what you say, I hear what you're saying and I like that.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:29 - 2:35:31)
If we could do that, but

[Speaker 2] (2:35:32 - 2:35:36)
structure it so it isn't people with yellow dots just going yeah

[Speaker 10] (2:35:36 - 2:35:36)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (2:35:36 - 2:35:36)
no yeah

[Speaker 10] (2:35:36 - 2:35:36)
right.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:36 - 2:35:59)
no that that's the nightmare we had last time what I would be perfectly willing to do and I think the committee would back it up we can talk to them but if if we if our committee were permitted if we hang maybe ten drawings I don't know we don't have to hang eighteen some of the some of them are you know patently not going to happen so we could we could get ourselves down to eight or nine or you know

[Speaker 2] (2:36:03 - 2:36:06)
And if in that giant public gathering,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:06 - 2:36:08)
let's hope 500 people come,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:08 - 2:36:09)
if we were permitted,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:09 - 2:36:13)
if the committee was permitted to speak about each plan,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:13 - 2:36:15)
like what you said about the pros and cons,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:16 - 2:36:19)
then it might take us an hour to go through 10 plans.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:19 - 2:36:24)
We'd have to say, you're going to need patience. But then you've given people.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:25 - 2:36:29)
You know, people who think they want all buildings or people who think they want all park,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:29 - 2:36:33)
you give them some information and what you find is that people say whoa,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:34 - 2:36:39)
that's something to think about. And what it does is it slows people down. And I know that sounds funny.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:39 - 2:36:41)
You want everyone's opinion,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:41 - 2:36:45)
but you want them to slow down long enough so that there's a little bit of reflection from

[Speaker 3] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:45 - 2:36:46)
it.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
I They don't think they it don't sounds

[Speaker 2] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
want to

[Speaker 3] (2:36:46 - 2:36:47)
funny at all. I think

[Speaker 10] (2:36:47 - 2:36:47)
No,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:47 - 2:36:47)
it sounds totally

[Speaker 10] (2:36:47 - 2:36:48)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:48 - 2:36:50)
logical because I will tell you

[Speaker 3] (2:36:50 - 2:36:52)
After the library,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:52 - 2:36:54)
I'll call it a fiasco,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:54 - 2:37:02)
I spoke with many public residents and when I engaged with them one-on-one and I explained to them the thought process behind the library,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:03 - 2:37:03)
the funding mechanism,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:04 - 2:37:05)
the synergy with the hotel,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:05 - 2:37:07)
the availability to rent,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:07 - 2:37:10)
you know, be a renaissance for that part of town,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:10 - 2:37:11)
people were like,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:11 - 2:37:14)
yeah, that's not what was presented though.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:14 - 2:37:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:15 - 2:37:15)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:37:15 - 2:37:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:16 - 2:37:26)
I find like maybe it's not an hour long discussion where you're talking at people but it's each of your committee members set up against one option and then they're engaging a little bit and

[Speaker 2] (2:37:26 - 2:37:26)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:26 - 2:37:26)
you

[Speaker 2] (2:37:26 - 2:37:26)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:26 - 2:37:28)
know letting people understand

[Speaker 2] (2:37:28 - 2:37:28)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:28 - 2:37:28)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:37:28 - 2:37:28)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:37:28 - 2:37:28)
presentation

[Speaker 2] (2:37:28 - 2:37:29)
another way to do

[Speaker 3] (2:37:29 - 2:37:29)
then.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:29 - 2:37:30)
it. You could have a walk

[Speaker 3] (2:37:30 - 2:37:30)
I think that's

[Speaker 2] (2:37:30 - 2:37:30)
around.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:30 - 2:37:31)
I

[Speaker 10] (2:37:31 - 2:37:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:31 - 2:37:32)
think that's

[Speaker 10] (2:37:32 - 2:37:32)
Time for that.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:32 - 2:37:42)
it's time for that it's important and then where we get in the process you don't want to get too far down the road and then have people be like well I don't see anything that I thought I was going to see.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:42 - 2:37:43)
represented here that's

[Speaker 2] (2:37:43 - 2:37:43)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:43 - 2:38:04)
what happened to us so learn from the mistakes of us and let's try to improve the process so the public is carried along the process that's the committee's job to carry the public along with them educate them understand all the conversations you have you're not rehabbing them you're just explaining the information you got out of them and then

[Speaker 3] (2:38:05 - 2:38:13)
hopefully have some public input and then come back to that then the committee will have that input back to them and then they could make informed decisions about certain things.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:13 - 2:38:14)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:14 - 2:38:33)
And you might have three options right now on the table that are all mixed use and you don't know the exact ratio of mixed use you don't have to you're just saying this is a mixed use option we don't know the exact ratio of mixed use yet but we're thinking you know like park parking and building and that's one example and that's the pros and cons you don't have to have

[Speaker 3] (2:38:33 - 2:38:34)
have all the information

[Speaker 2] (2:38:34 - 2:38:34)
Right, right.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:34 - 2:38:35)
for the

[Speaker 5] (2:38:35 - 2:38:35)
No,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:35 - 2:38:35)
full

[Speaker 10] (2:38:35 - 2:38:35)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:38:35 - 2:38:35)
we

[Speaker 10] (2:38:35 - 2:38:41)
I think it's important that we're considering just this site at this point, right? We are not considering

[Speaker 2] (2:38:41 - 2:38:43)
Well, our committee is actually

[Speaker 10] (2:38:43 - 2:38:43)
the St.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:43 - 2:38:43)
considering

[Speaker 10] (2:38:43 - 2:38:44)
John's parking lot at this point.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:44 - 2:38:49)
John's parking lot at this point I mean that's not is from my understanding right I mean we're not

[Speaker 3] (2:38:49 - 2:38:50)
Let's let Brian speak to that.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:51 - 2:38:57)
our committee is doing two parallel sort of sets of plans.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:57 - 2:39:00)
I mean, we're more primarily focused on the Horton site,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:00 - 2:39:05)
but we also have sketches which show

[Speaker 2] (2:39:06 - 2:39:09)
potential development with the church parking lot added.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:10 - 2:39:19)
I just don't want to see waste, to be quite honest, to waste time with putting too much effort into something that might not happen or might not even be at this point a consideration,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:19 - 2:39:24)
right. So I think that the Hawthorne site is right, I mean,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
there's

[Speaker 4] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
Go

[Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:25)
got to ahead, be the driver.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:25 - 2:39:25)
David.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:25 - 2:39:26)
Go ahead, David.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:26 - 2:39:26)
Well, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:26 - 2:39:36)
I mean, there were, you know, there were certainly there were certainly statements that were made by one of our board members that there was an agreement to purchase the.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:36 - 2:39:43)
the St. John's parking lot and I certainly want to give Mary Ellen the opportunity to speak to that.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:43 - 2:39:48)
There was a video that was posted on April 25th that indicated that there was an agreement.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:48 - 2:39:50)
To my knowledge there is no agreement.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:51 - 2:39:57)
I don't believe there's any knowledge of any agreement to any other members of this of this board.

[Speaker 5] (2:40:00 - 2:40:08)
You know, I called it out at the time. I would like to hear from Mary Ellen as to why that statement was made and why,

[Speaker 5] (2:40:09 - 2:40:16)
you know, why residents of Swampskit were misled with that information,

[Speaker 5] (2:40:16 - 2:40:23)
because I certainly think that's going to help shape the, you know, how the Hawthorne reuse committee,

[Speaker 5] (2:40:23 - 2:40:26)
you know, is evaluating these potential options.

[Speaker 5] (2:40:26 - 2:40:27)
And again,

[Speaker 5] (2:40:28 - 2:40:28)
to Danielle's point,

[Speaker 5] (2:40:28 - 2:40:33)
I don't want to have, you know, Brian, you and your committee, you know, waste, waste time on.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:33 - 2:40:36)
Well, yeah, if we knew if we knew we didn't have to look at it,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:36 - 2:40:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:36 - 2:40:37)
of course

[Speaker 1] (2:40:37 - 2:40:37)
It would not

[Speaker 2] (2:40:37 - 2:40:37)
reduce

[Speaker 1] (2:40:37 - 2:40:38)
be a

[Speaker 2] (2:40:38 - 2:40:38)
our workload

[Speaker 1] (2:40:38 - 2:40:39)
focus on it for sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40)
Yeah, no,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:40 - 2:40:41)
that's what I, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:41 - 2:40:42)
I agree.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:44 - 2:40:45)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:45 - 2:40:46)
Katie, can I have a moment?

[Speaker 6] (2:40:46 - 2:40:46)
You may.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:46 - 2:40:47)
First,

[Speaker 7] (2:40:47 - 2:40:48)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:40:49 - 2:40:52)
can't even address that bogus statement,

[Speaker 7] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
Mr.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:52 - 2:40:53)
Grishman.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:53 - 2:40:55)
to say that there was never an agreement.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:55 - 2:41:03)
There was never an agreement. There is a verbal agreement with the church that the church actually was publicly out saying,

[Speaker 7] (2:41:03 - 2:41:15)
publicly out putting this out in public that they verbally agreed to the town that they were willing to sell the property and they are willing to sell the property to the town.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:15 - 2:41:17)
That is, that's out there,

[Speaker 7] (2:41:17 - 2:41:18)
that's public.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:19 - 2:41:34)
Members of the church have said that we actually had something in, we had an agreement in writing that expired on 12-31-2024 that we had the exclusive.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:35 - 2:41:46)
opportunity to buy that so I don't know where you have been for you to say that you don't know anything about this or there was no agreement I find that to be incredibly disingenuous and not factual so

[Speaker 5] (2:41:46 - 2:41:47)
Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:47 - 2:41:57)
Mary Ellen, I don't think you understand how an agreement works. An agreement is where two sides have have have come have come to have come to a decision about a price.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:27 - 2:42:34)
privy to it it's been out there publicly so to try to slander me is just unacceptable so

[Speaker 5] (2:42:34 - 2:42:41)
An opportunity to purchase and an agreement are two complete separate and distinct things.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:41 - 2:42:42)
And you're

[Speaker 7] (2:42:42 - 2:42:43)
we're trying talking cop

[Speaker 5] (2:42:43 - 2:42:45)
– I'm responding now,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:45 - 2:42:47)
so please allow me to speak.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:47 - 2:42:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:50 - 2:42:51)
By you saying there's an agreement,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:52 - 2:42:54)
that means that there's a financial,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:54 - 2:43:03)
there's this hand and this hand are in agreement as to what the price will be. That is in no way, shape, or form has ever happened,

[Speaker 5] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
ever.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:04 - 2:43:06)
So you did.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07)
April

[Speaker 7] (2:43:07 - 2:43:08)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:43:08 - 2:43:08)
25th.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:08 - 2:43:08)
that's...

[Speaker 5] (2:43:08 - 2:43:17)
April 25th, you said there's an agreement and you doubled down in writing and then you accused me of political theater.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:17 - 2:43:18)
So again,

[Speaker 5] (2:43:19 - 2:43:22)
I'm just trying to get to the facts here.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:22 - 2:43:25)
I don't want to mislead the public here.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:25 - 2:43:30)
I don't want to indicate that there is an agreement when there is not an agreement.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:30 - 2:43:33)
We have an opportunity to purchase the property.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:33 - 2:43:36)
That is factually accurate. Anything

[Speaker 8] (2:43:36 - 2:43:36)
There

[Speaker 5] (2:43:36 - 2:43:36)
beyond

[Speaker 8] (2:43:36 - 2:43:36)
what?

[Speaker 5] (2:43:36 - 2:43:39)
that is simply not true.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:40 - 2:43:47)
So there was a signed agreement with the church for a period of time to purchase the option to purchase the property.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:47 - 2:43:50)
Okay, now we're sharing executive session information.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:50 - 2:43:51)
Well, it's already been shared.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:52 - 2:43:53)
That was a...

[Speaker 1] (2:43:53 - 2:43:54)
We don't have to double.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:00 - 2:44:01)
In any case,

[Speaker 9] (2:44:01 - 2:44:01)
Anyway, any case.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:01 - 2:44:10)
it's probably good to have this conversation in public and actually be honest and upfront about the situation we're in.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:10 - 2:44:18)
My whole point in this thing was I don't want this committee to waste more time to consider something that is not officially ours,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:18 - 2:44:18)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:18 - 2:44:19)
and it's not.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:19 - 2:44:27)
I agree with that. I agree with that. And I don't think it's a waste of time because conceptually.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:27 - 2:44:33)
It is true that the church and others have expressed the fact that there's a possibility of

[Speaker 1] (2:44:33 - 2:44:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:33 - 2:44:34)
purchasing the

[Speaker 1] (2:44:34 - 2:44:35)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:35 - 2:44:35)
parking lot.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:35 - 2:44:38)
Okay, so that is common knowledge for sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:38 - 2:44:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:38 - 2:44:41)
And so to me it is reasonable actually,

[Speaker 9] (2:44:42 - 2:44:47)
it's even prudent to weigh the benefit, pros and cons of incorporating both or not.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:47 - 2:44:48)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:48 - 2:44:48)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:44:48 - 2:44:48)
I agree.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:48 - 2:44:49)
I don't feel that to be a waste,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:49 - 2:44:49)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:49 - 2:44:56)
but I just want to make sure I agree with David that context we need to be very clear about where we are and where we're not.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:55 - 2:44:56)
there were not.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:56 - 2:44:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:56 - 2:44:58)
And I think to task a committee, though,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:58 - 2:45:03)
with creating schematic design that leads this town to think that it's a real,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:03 - 2:45:06)
that it's more of a possibility than it really is,

[Speaker 9] (2:45:06 - 2:45:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:06 - 2:45:08)
is probably not the best idea.

[Speaker 9] (2:45:08 - 2:45:10)
Agreed. I don't think we're anywhere near schematic design.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:10 - 2:45:10)
Well,

[Speaker 9] (2:45:10 - 2:45:11)
I don't know if you use that technically,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:11 - 2:45:12)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:45:12 - 2:45:12)
but yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:12 - 2:45:16)
don't know. I don't know if that's the case because I've seen designs with incorporating that

[Speaker 8] (2:45:16 - 2:45:16)
part

[Speaker 1] (2:45:16 - 2:45:16)
parking lot.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:16 - 2:45:21)
of the ask of the committee is to, if the space was acquired,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:22 - 2:45:36)
what would that look like how do we put pen to paper how does that affect what we do with the Hawthorne property because now you have a bigger footprint so now are you saying it could have more open space on Hawthorne because you have parking on

[Speaker 2] (2:45:36 - 2:45:36)
St. Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:36 - 2:45:48)
John's or something like so I do think it is important as Doug was saying that we think about it holistically and that that drives the decision on whether or not the town would like to see

[Speaker 8] (2:45:49 - 2:45:52)
The town community would like to see the town procure that piece of land.

[Speaker 9] (2:45:52 - 2:45:54)
actually enter into an agreement.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:54 - 2:45:55)
Actually enter into

[Speaker 5] (2:45:55 - 2:45:55)
But

[Speaker 8] (2:45:55 - 2:45:55)
agreement.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:55 - 2:46:02)
from a communications perspective, I think it's incredibly important that we share the facts and

[Speaker 1] (2:46:02 - 2:46:02)
Make that clear.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:02 - 2:46:07)
that there is – at this point, there is no agreement.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:07 - 2:46:12)
There is an opportunity to purchase and we can potentially evaluate that.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:13 - 2:46:14)
But again,

[Speaker 5] (2:46:14 - 2:46:15)
I don't want to get into executive

[Speaker 2] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
You

[Speaker 5] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
session.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:15 - 2:46:16)
know what's

[Speaker 2] (2:46:16 - 2:46:21)
fairly workable. We've already developed some pretty decent ideas.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:22 - 2:46:24)
If the second lot was built,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:24 - 2:46:28)
we could kind of do the both and we could make it clear that,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:28 - 2:46:30)
I mean, our focus certainly has been on the Horton,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:30 - 2:46:30)
Yeah. right?

[Speaker 2] (2:46:30 - 2:46:31)
There's the Horton site.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:31 - 2:46:33)
We could keep our main focus there,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:33 - 2:46:39)
but because we've actually drawn some plans and thought a bit about if we get this lot,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:39 - 2:46:40)
what would be the implication?

[Speaker 2] (2:46:40 - 2:46:42)
In some sense, maybe that actually,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:43 - 2:46:44)
as you're saying,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:44 - 2:46:46)
maybe that would help the town decide whether do

[Speaker 1] (2:46:46 - 2:46:46)
Exactly. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:46 - 2:46:48)
we want to pursue that lot?

[Speaker 2] (2:46:48 - 2:46:51)
or do we not if we bought it what could

[Speaker 1] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51)
What would

[Speaker 2] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51)
be

[Speaker 1] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51)
later

[Speaker 1] (2:46:51 - 2:46:55)
do with it? As long as we're clear with people with what the situation is.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:55 - 2:46:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:55 - 2:46:55)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:55 - 2:46:56)
well when we

[Speaker 8] (2:46:56 - 2:47:00)
I mean, again, we were criticized in the original Hawthorne process for not having a plan before we

[Speaker 1] (2:47:00 - 2:47:01)
100%.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:02 - 2:47:02)
bought it.

[Speaker 9] (2:47:02 - 2:47:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:02 - 2:47:03)
100%.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:03 - 2:47:05)
So here we're trying to rectify that

[Speaker 1] (2:47:05 - 2:47:05)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:05 - 2:47:06)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:47:06 - 2:47:06)
these are your options.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:06 - 2:47:07)
have at least

[Speaker 1] (2:47:07 - 2:47:07)
We could

[Speaker 8] (2:47:07 - 2:47:07)
options

[Speaker 1] (2:47:07 - 2:47:07)
do this.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:07 - 2:47:08)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:47:08 - 2:47:08)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:08 - 2:47:12)
plans to say this is what it could look like. This is what it might,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:12 - 2:47:13)
how it might synergize

[Speaker 2] (2:47:13 - 2:47:13)
well this

[Speaker 8] (2:47:13 - 2:47:13)
with Hawthorne.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:13 - 2:47:15)
is yeah this is exactly why I say

[Speaker 2] (2:47:16 - 2:47:19)
I think a public meeting in two weeks or three weeks is a great idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:21 - 2:47:25)
If we're permitted to speak, you know, speak first about the plans, we will make clear,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:25 - 2:47:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:25 - 2:47:30)
you know, right now we're sort of assuming it's Quatham-by-the-Sea site, but we have drawn plans,

[Speaker 2] (2:47:31 - 2:47:34)
you know, to see what would be possible if the town,

[Speaker 2] (2:47:34 - 2:47:37)
you know, we're not assuming it, we're not banking on it.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:37 - 2:47:41)
It's a matter of telling people clearly what's going on.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:41 - 2:47:42)
Managing

[Speaker 2] (2:47:42 - 2:47:42)
And

[Speaker 8] (2:47:42 - 2:47:42)
expectations.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:42 - 2:47:46)
I think we can do that, and I think it will be important,

[Speaker 2] (2:47:46 - 2:47:48)
you know, it sounds funny, but it will be important.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:48 - 2:47:51)
at this big gathering, hope there's 500 people,

[Speaker 2] (2:47:51 - 2:47:57)
I think we need to say right up front that, you know, this committee's going to talk for 45 minutes first, or something,

[Speaker 2] (2:47:57 - 2:47:57)
30 minutes,

[Speaker 2] (2:47:57 - 2:48:02)
you know, because you need people to be prepared that unlike the last process,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:02 - 2:48:05)
we'll get up there and give out some information,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:05 - 2:48:08)
you know, we're not going to say pick this plan or pick that plan,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:08 - 2:48:09)
we will not do that, but we'll say,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:09 - 2:48:11)
as Doug said,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:11 - 2:48:16)
here are the pluses and minuses of this concept, here are the pluses and minuses of this concept.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:16 - 2:48:39)
about that and and we'll do that with every plan we have including the double plan and I mean as long as I think as long as the town gets a chance to get some information then then you know then they then then let it be a sort of free after that let it be free-flowing like get have the citizens be free to make comments give us their reaction to the various concepts and at that point we'll shut up and then it'll be

[Speaker 2] (2:48:42 - 2:48:43)
reacting to things.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:43 - 2:48:43)
I just

[Speaker 2] (2:48:43 - 2:48:43)
It's

[Speaker 3] (2:48:43 - 2:48:43)
want to

[Speaker 2] (2:48:43 - 2:48:43)
all

[Speaker 3] (2:48:43 - 2:48:44)
make sure

[Speaker 2] (2:48:44 - 2:48:44)
in

[Speaker 3] (2:48:44 - 2:48:44)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:48:44 - 2:48:44)
how it's

[Speaker 3] (2:48:44 - 2:48:44)
get

[Speaker 2] (2:48:44 - 2:48:45)
conducted, I think.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:45 - 2:48:45)
Clear,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:45 - 2:48:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:46 - 2:48:49)
clear, accurate information, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:49 - 2:48:49)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:49 - 2:49:00)
Because that's where we get into trouble is when there are half-truths out there or there are different versions of certain things like these the fifteen thousand people in this town deserve all of the information as we know it.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:00 - 2:49:03)
And they need that up front,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:03 - 2:49:03)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:49:03 - 2:49:04)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:04 - 2:49:05)
I do think our committee,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:05 - 2:49:08)
you know, as I said, we have a tough time agreeing on things,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:09 - 2:49:15)
but I do think all 13 people would agree that, you know, that full sort of public exposure in a big gathering,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:15 - 2:49:20)
as long as every plan is fairly advocated for in the sense of pros and cons.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:21 - 2:49:29)
I don't think anybody on the committee would have a problem with that. It's got you know, it's got to be done fairly objectively and so forth. Nope, no plan gets a free pass.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:30 - 2:49:30)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:49:30 - 2:49:30)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:30 - 2:49:34)
know, every every plan is is righteously assessed.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:34 - 2:49:34)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:34 - 2:49:34)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:49:34 - 2:49:35)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:49:35 - 2:49:35)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:35 - 2:49:35)
great.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:35 - 2:49:42)
I think I think we're all on the same page and I guess just so we could be clear about our expectations then going forward,

[Speaker 4] (2:49:42 - 2:49:48)
it would be a presentation to the public of the plans, whatever number of plans the committee wanted to bring forward as options.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:48 - 2:49:59)
as options and that there would be some pros and cons discussed of each of the plans and there would be public engagement and then that would allow the committee to have good direction going forward about sort of where to spend its time in the future going forward.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:59 - 2:50:03)
And it'll be great, you know, if the last two hours are just public comment,

[Speaker 2] (2:50:03 - 2:50:04)
we'll take notes,

[Speaker 2] (2:50:04 - 2:50:06)
and it'll be great if we say to the public,

[Speaker 2] (2:50:06 - 2:50:17)
don't tell us yes you like it or no you don't, please tell us what about the plan you like and you don't, Yep. because that forces people to sort of, why do I like this plan?

[Speaker 2] (2:50:16 - 2:50:23)
like this plan and the other thing is that allows us sometimes to mix and match the features of plans. We've already found that as a committee

[Speaker 4] (2:50:23 - 2:50:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:23 - 2:50:28)
that we find out that wow everyone likes this, but it's on the wrong plan. So

[Speaker 5] (2:50:28 - 2:50:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:28 - 2:50:29)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:50:29 - 2:50:29)
Very good.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:29 - 2:50:33)
yeah, yeah. So it so I think it I think it can can work.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:33 - 2:50:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:33 - 2:50:38)
I think and and and let's talk the timeline. I mean should we maybe do it in three weeks or

[Speaker 4] (2:50:38 - 2:50:44)
I mean I guess it's up to the committee on how fast they could get the pros and cons for each together and the design I mean why don't you

[Speaker 4] (2:50:44 - 2:50:44)
do

[Speaker 2] (2:50:44 - 2:50:45)
If it's if it'd

[Speaker 4] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
why don't

[Speaker 2] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
I'll talk

[Speaker 4] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
we speak

[Speaker 2] (2:50:45 - 2:50:46)
to the committee but

[Speaker 4] (2:50:46 - 2:50:46)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:50:46 - 2:50:46)
if it's

[Speaker 4] (2:50:46 - 2:50:46)
the three cabs?

[Speaker 2] (2:50:46 - 2:50:47)
or four week something

[Speaker 4] (2:50:47 - 2:50:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:47 - 2:50:48)
like that

[Speaker 3] (2:50:48 - 2:50:48)
Something

[Speaker 4] (2:50:48 - 2:50:48)
and

[Speaker 3] (2:50:48 - 2:50:48)
in that

[Speaker 4] (2:50:48 - 2:50:48)
then

[Speaker 3] (2:50:48 - 2:50:48)
neighborhood.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:48 - 2:50:50)
Marcy can circle back with us about a timeline.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:50 - 2:50:53)
Well, then the next meeting is scheduled for June 24th and,

[Speaker 4] (2:50:53 - 2:50:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:53 - 2:50:54)
you

[Speaker 2] (2:50:54 - 2:50:54)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:50:54 - 2:50:54)
know, it really

[Speaker 2] (2:50:54 - 2:50:55)
we'll meeting

[Speaker 3] (2:50:55 - 2:50:55)
depends.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:55 - 2:51:06)
next week So we will bring this to the committee and and you know and talk to the whole committee will participate and we'll we'll see what the committee thinks How long will it take us to get the pros and cons together?

[Speaker 2] (2:51:06 - 2:51:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:51:07 - 2:51:10)
it's probably realistically at least four weeks because we we actually haven't finished

[Speaker 2] (2:51:10 - 2:51:12)
finished reviewing all the plans so

[Speaker 3] (2:51:12 - 2:51:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:13 - 2:51:13)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:51:13 - 2:51:13)
That's

[Speaker 2] (2:51:13 - 2:51:13)
so

[Speaker 3] (2:51:13 - 2:51:13)
excellent.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:13 - 2:51:14)
maybe a month from now.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:15 - 2:51:15)
All Yeah. right.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:15 - 2:51:36)
And the other oh one other thing, I'm sorry. One more important thing is this space you I'm sorry, this space that you conduct a meeting in is very important. So what'll be important is like we had, our committee had a meeting in the gymnasium. Beat the gymnasium wall, we taped all the drawings up in a line and it allowed all the drawings to sort of exist, it was like

[Speaker 3] (2:51:36 - 2:51:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:36 - 2:51:37)
twenty five feet long.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:37 - 2:51:40)
one and people were able to just cruise along and look.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:40 - 2:51:51)
So I think it won't work. You know everyone says do it in the school cafeteria. That in that space that won't work because it's all chopped up. The walls are all chopped up. There's no wall to show

[Speaker 2] (2:51:52 - 2:52:00)
You know, the wint there's one long window wall, the opposite wall is doors and openings to corridors, and then that little end wall where they have held this

[Speaker 4] (2:52:00 - 2:52:00)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:00 - 2:52:00)
meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:00 - 2:52:01)
you're talking about the new elementary?

[Speaker 3] (2:52:01 - 2:52:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:02 - 2:52:02)
Hmm?

[Speaker 4] (2:52:02 - 2:52:03)
Are you talking about at the new elementary school?

[Speaker 3] (2:52:03 - 2:52:04)
The Or cafeteria.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
at this Well, at the

[Speaker 2] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
the high

[Speaker 4] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:52:04 - 2:52:05)
school cafeteria.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:05 - 2:52:06)
cafeteria? Oh, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
Well, we'll

[Speaker 4] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
we'll

[Speaker 4] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
well,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:06 - 2:52:07)
need

[Speaker 4] (2:52:07 - 2:52:07)
they're speaking

[Speaker 2] (2:52:07 - 2:52:08)
this will be important. We need to have a

[Speaker 3] (2:52:08 - 2:52:08)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:52:08 - 2:52:09)
big room.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:09 - 2:52:09)
You you me.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:09 - 2:52:10)
you tell us what works

[Speaker 2] (2:52:10 - 2:52:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
for you,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
we'll just

[Speaker 4] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
Brian.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
need a

[Speaker 3] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:11 - 2:52:12)
big room. I just

[Speaker 4] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
We'll

[Speaker 2] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
put that

[Speaker 4] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
just

[Speaker 2] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
out

[Speaker 4] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
we'll find

[Speaker 2] (2:52:12 - 2:52:13)
there, so

[Speaker 4] (2:52:13 - 2:52:13)
a space.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:13 - 2:52:13)
we can he

[Speaker 3] (2:52:13 - 2:52:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:13 - 2:52:15)
makes it move around, you know.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:15 - 2:52:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:15 - 2:52:15)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:15 - 2:52:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:52:18 - 2:52:18)
Brian,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:18 - 2:52:19)
Please.

[Speaker 7] (2:52:19 - 2:52:22)
one of the things that I think have been missing,

[Speaker 7] (2:52:22 - 2:52:34)
well first I want to thank you for your hard work and this is absolutely one of the hardest tasks for anybody to do is to you know this is a very emotional project,

[Speaker 7] (2:52:34 - 2:52:38)
it's everybody has an opinion on it, everybody's passionate so

[Speaker 7] (2:52:39 - 2:52:50)
I really appreciate all your hard work and watching you keep the patience and being open to how to improve and how to reel things in. So thank you so much.

[Speaker 7] (2:52:50 - 2:52:52)
Now my minor criticism,

[Speaker 7] (2:52:52 - 2:52:53)
it's not really criticism,

[Speaker 7] (2:52:53 - 2:53:04)
but we have a report that was given to, supposedly given to everybody on the committee, but it really needs to be addressed. And that's the Baker Tilly report

[Speaker 2] (2:53:04 - 2:53:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:04 - 2:53:06)
that...

[Speaker 7] (2:53:08 - 2:53:18)
really charged away with that and I think it's important that you spend time going over their report because it identifies the economic development for that area and

[Speaker 2] (2:53:18 - 2:53:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:19 - 2:53:34)
in my opinion one thing that is critical to keep in mind is the hotel and how that space integrates with the hotel and how it enhances the hotel so those are those are my comments

[Speaker 2] (2:53:34 - 2:53:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:36 - 2:53:40)
Well, we handed that report out the very first meeting,

[Speaker 2] (2:53:40 - 2:53:42)
but I think people have maybe put it away.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:42 - 2:53:47)
So Marcy and I will get a copy to everybody fresh.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:48 - 2:53:50)
I think you have to have a discussion about it too,

[Speaker 2] (2:53:50 - 2:53:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:53:50 - 2:54:00)
I just think you have to sign or whatever because I've asked a couple people you know what their opinion was on the Baker Tilly and if they felt that it was pretty accurate.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:05 - 2:54:06)
Yeah, well,

[Speaker 2] (2:54:06 - 2:54:06)
you're right.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:06 - 2:54:08)
I think there was no discussion of it.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:08 - 2:54:09)
So we'll

[Speaker 3] (2:54:09 - 2:54:10)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:10 - 2:54:18)
make a portion of a meeting be a discussion of that so that people are kind of forced to look at it and think about it.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:20 - 2:54:21)
Thank you, Brian.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:22 - 2:54:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:23 - 2:54:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:23 - 2:54:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:24 - 2:54:26)
Moving on. Appreciate it.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:27 - 2:54:31)
To the discussion and possible vote on 12-14 Pine Street schematics.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:33 - 2:54:36)
I think Holly and Yara are on.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:37 - 2:54:39)
We saw them come and go and here they are.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:39 - 2:54:43)
Thank you for staying on all night with us.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:44 - 2:54:45)
Marcy,

[Speaker 7] (2:54:45 - 2:54:46)
Thanks for having us.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:46 - 2:54:47)
absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:47 - 2:54:51)
Marcy, do you just want to start with maybe an update on the community meeting?

[Speaker 8] (2:54:52 - 2:54:53)
Yes, absolutely.

[Speaker 8] (2:54:53 - 2:55:05)
On June 12th, Vinay Brith and Gino and I on the town held a neighborhood meeting for the residents abutting the property,

[Speaker 8] (2:55:05 - 2:55:09)
so basically all of the surrounding streets and obviously the meeting was advertised.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:10 - 2:55:15)
via the normal channels in regards to the notification on the town's website, etc.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:16 - 2:55:24)
We had about, I want to say close to fifteen residents who attended the meeting. It was fairly positive.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:24 - 2:55:39)
The concerns or the discussion really focused on, a lot of it was about parking, parking during construction and then traffic flow. There was a request in regards to having speed bumps on Pine Street as well as a stop.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:39 - 2:55:49)
stop sign on Boynton Street and Superior Street. I think that's something that was in front of you a while back when Officer Rean was discussing about the traffic flow on the site.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:49 - 2:55:49)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:50 - 2:55:53)
So that really focused on the parking.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:53 - 2:56:15)
The other issues that were brought up was trash and that trash is not picked up prior to 8 a.m. and that's something that we conveyed to the residents that that will be part of the comprehensive permit when and if the developer submits the proposal. I think that's something that we should request that will be written as part of the decision.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:16 - 2:56:32)
to talk about, you know, the site condition and also any kind of traffic flow or pickup and their deliveries or just address the services that will be sort of impacting the residents on the area.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:32 - 2:56:40)
Another question or concern that came up was about the trees in the area and trying to keep as many of the mature trees as possible.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:40 - 2:56:43)
And that was something again that I think the developer

[Speaker 8] (2:56:43 - 2:57:08)
and the town was again willing to consider and really work within the parameters of the site and lastly the final concern about just communication and to make sure that there is a designated person or the contractor that will be able to hold weekly site meetings or the residents and town will have their contact so we'll be able to

[Speaker 8] (2:57:09 - 2:57:13)
reach out to them and be able to address any construction issue.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:13 - 2:57:21)
Oh, I'm sorry and under the parking also mobilization and contract the parking that that should that should be addressed.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:22 - 2:57:25)
So I think that that those were the major points.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:25 - 2:57:31)
I'm not sure Yara or Holly if there's anything that I missed that maybe you recall from the meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:36 - 2:57:36)
So thank you.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:36 - 2:57:46)
Okay. And then just one thing, I did hear from the planning board and they would like to have an opportunity to be able to share with you their comments,

[Speaker 8] (2:57:46 - 2:57:49)
but they will not have them until July 3rd.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:51 - 2:57:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:55 - 2:57:56)
And what,

[Speaker 4] (2:57:56 - 2:57:56)
sorry.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:57 - 2:57:59)
When, what's the schedule for getting comments back?

[Speaker 8] (2:58:00 - 2:58:08)
So we don't, we're not due, the select board is, should submit their comments to B'nai B'rith by June, July 14th.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:08 - 2:58:09)
July 14th, okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:10 - 2:58:21)
But then if they have to come back with changes based on those commentaries, that's why we were trying to sort of have the conversation faster so that they would have that feedback if they needed it, we would have time for feedback.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:22 - 2:58:22)
Done.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:23 - 2:58:26)
When you said, did you say 15 or 50 people?

[Speaker 8] (2:58:26 - 2:58:29)
About 15, I want to say, 15 residents.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:30 - 2:58:34)
And did you say were the residents of that area all specific?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:35 - 2:58:42)
Yes, they each each we did send out flyers to all of the residents of New Ocean Street,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:42 - 2:58:43)
Pine Street,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:43 - 2:58:44)
Erie Street,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:44 - 2:58:48)
sections of the beginning of Boynton and Curry

[Speaker 3] (2:58:48 - 2:58:49)
Curry circle.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:49 - 2:58:49)
Circle.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:49 - 2:58:50)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:50 - 2:58:57)
And were people around Rechard's specifically given notices too since this is kind of like a this project is kind of

[Speaker 2] (2:58:58 - 2:58:59)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:58:59 - 2:58:59)
Most we sites effectively.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:59 - 2:59:05)
did not notify outside of the notice that was posted on the town's website,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:05 - 2:59:11)
we did not target them specifically with a leaflet or notification of the project,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:11 - 2:59:12)
of the meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:12 - 2:59:13)
And what about the veterans?

[Speaker 2] (2:59:14 - 2:59:16)
Yes, the veterans were notified.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:16 - 2:59:18)
I did hear back from Dave Emerton.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:19 - 2:59:25)
He was sorry that he could not attend the meeting. He had prior engagement and I did not hear from Nelson Leon.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:25 - 2:59:26)
beyond.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:28 - 2:59:28)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:33 - 2:59:34)
Marcy, I have a question.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:35 - 2:59:38)
The Planning Board is going to come back with comments,

[Speaker 4] (2:59:38 - 2:59:40)
but does the Planning Board also,

[Speaker 4] (2:59:40 - 2:59:42)
what is the,

[Speaker 4] (2:59:42 - 2:59:53)
what does the Planning Board, what's the Planning Board's role further on? I'm just wondering if the Planning Board doesn't come back with comments right now, do they have another?

[Speaker 4] (2:59:55 - 2:59:59)
Another role later on is for some reason I thought that they were involved.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:59 - 3:00:01)
Are they involved in site planning or anything like that?

[Speaker 2] (3:00:01 - 3:00:04)
Well, as part of the comprehensive permit,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:04 - 3:00:07)
they'll have an opportunity to be able to submit their comments,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:07 - 3:00:09)
as will any other residents.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:09 - 3:00:17)
So similar to this process to date, when a comprehensive permit is submitted to the zoning board of appeals,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:17 - 3:00:23)
they will send notices to all of the abutters within a 300-foot radius.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:23 - 3:00:25)
Meetings will be posted online,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:26 - 3:00:28)
and they'll be able to take comments.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:28 - 3:00:34)
from residents or any interested party or stakeholder that would like to attend the meeting and make their comments.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:35 - 3:00:36)
Yeah, I think we're going to have,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:36 - 3:00:36)
So,

[Speaker 5] (3:00:36 - 3:00:38)
sorry, go ahead,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:38 - 3:00:38)
Kate.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:38 - 3:00:38)
Marilyn.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:39 - 3:00:40)
As far as the timeline,

[Speaker 5] (3:00:40 - 3:00:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
are

[Speaker 5] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
well,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
we,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:42 - 3:00:45)
if we're having to wait for the planning board,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:45 - 3:00:50)
does that put this at any disadvantage? And I'm just wondering.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:50 - 3:00:57)
we're going to have a timing issue with the planning board because if they don't get us comments until the 8th, we need

[Speaker 2] (3:00:57 - 3:00:58)
No, they said the third.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:58 - 3:00:58)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:58 - 3:00:59)
Oh, the 3rd.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:59 - 3:00:59)
July

[Speaker 5] (3:00:59 - 3:00:59)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:59 - 3:00:59)
3rd.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:59 - 3:01:02)
so we do have a meeting scheduled for Tuesday the 8th.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:03 - 3:01:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:03 - 3:01:04)
And so you would still have

[Speaker 5] (3:01:04 - 3:01:04)
be

[Speaker 2] (3:01:04 - 3:01:05)
that within from

[Speaker 5] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
the time

[Speaker 2] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
have

[Speaker 5] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
frame

[Speaker 2] (3:01:05 - 3:01:06)
that comment.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:06 - 3:01:08)
for Margie to get comments back by the 14th,

[Speaker 1] (3:01:08 - 3:01:09)
But not feedback or

[Speaker 5] (3:01:09 - 3:01:10)
but not feedback

[Speaker 1] (3:01:10 - 3:01:10)
changes or anything.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:10 - 3:01:12)
or changes from the developer,

[Speaker 5] (3:01:12 - 3:01:13)
which is what we were hoping.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:14 - 3:01:14)
Um

[Speaker 2] (3:01:14 - 3:01:32)
Well, I think that maybe I would defer to Holly and Yara, but I think that the goal for the comments from the select board is to be able to proceed with the sort of further development of the plans in order to file the comprehensive permit.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:32 - 3:01:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:33 - 3:01:34)
So I just,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:34 - 3:01:35)
and again,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:35 - 3:01:41)
please Yara and Holly chime in in regards to if what I'm saying is if you agree with that, because I feel that.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:41 - 3:02:09)
that although you know there's no additional comments that would be required by the select board of the town prior to the submission of the comprehensive permit so I think that as per the land disposition agreement the select board has until July 14 to make any comments on the the rendering and from that point on once the the developer received those comments I would imagine that they will be using them in order to advance their

[Speaker 2] (3:02:09 - 3:02:14)
their plans to prepare for the comprehensive permits submission.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:16 - 3:02:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:16 - 3:02:19)
May I build on that?

[Speaker 4] (3:02:19 - 3:02:26)
So yes, what Marcie said is, I guess,

[Speaker 4] (3:02:26 - 3:02:29)
desirable or the path that we have.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:30 - 3:02:33)
And I think our

[Speaker 5] (3:02:34 - 3:02:35)
If it works for the board,

[Speaker 5] (3:02:35 - 3:02:42)
we view these comments from the neighbors, although very important as relatively minor.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:43 - 3:02:52)
Our most desired path with these comments would be before the deadline that's in the land agreement.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:52 - 3:03:16)
a letter I guess approving the set potentially with conditions what seemed to be important to the neighbors and we could could add within our comprehensive permit plans address the comments or conditions that are in the letter if that makes sense and we are I guess taking comfort in the fact that comments right now

[Speaker 5] (3:03:18 - 3:03:19)
We're viewing them important,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:19 - 3:03:22)
you know, regarding the issues that Marcy mentioned,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:22 - 3:03:37)
but they are not things like, you know, we've messed up the number of units or the building needs to be totally redesigned or things that are major comments.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:38 - 3:03:39)
I might have one of those.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:43 - 3:03:49)
um so uh are we done with that process about the planning board timing thing for now or

[Speaker 5] (3:03:49 - 3:03:55)
Yeah, I'm still not 100% sure where we land on that.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:55 - 3:03:57)
So then we wait,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:58 - 3:04:00)
the planning board gives their feedback,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:00 - 3:04:08)
and then we give feedback on the 8th, and then they're hoping then to integrate both those feedbacks into whatever they submit after the 14th. Is that right,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:08 - 3:04:08)
Holly?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:11 - 3:04:11)
or

[Speaker 4] (3:04:11 - 3:04:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:11 - 3:04:12)
even I Well,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:12 - 3:04:16)
although I know that the Michon process,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:17 - 3:04:25)
we did not have, at least I don't believe we have planning board feedback at this point in the process. We had it later on during the comprehensive permit process.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:26 - 3:04:26)
mean I

[Speaker 7] (3:04:26 - 3:04:28)
Right. So what is, do we need to have planning board

[Speaker 5] (3:04:28 - 3:04:29)
guess

[Speaker 7] (3:04:29 - 3:04:29)
input at this point?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:29 - 3:04:38)
we I don't want to shoot us in the foot right for the fact that we reached out to the planning board we provided it for them we asked them for feedback but now the timing of it might not work

[Speaker 1] (3:04:39 - 3:04:50)
Why does it not work? I mean, it's the third, they give us the feedback from that meeting. We have a meeting on the eighth. We incorporate that, and we still got another week to the fourteenth.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:51 - 3:04:52)
Is that enough time, basically?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:52 - 3:04:54)
I think hou okay. I I'm sorry then I misunderstood

[Speaker 1] (3:04:54 - 3:04:55)
'Cause we're we're j

[Speaker 5] (3:04:55 - 3:05:00)
Holly was saying, I I thought that perhaps they wanted feedback as of today so that they could work to modify

[Speaker 4] (3:05:00 - 3:05:00)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:00 - 3:05:00)
whatever

[Speaker 4] (3:05:00 - 3:05:02)
yeah, I I think

[Speaker 4] (3:05:03 - 3:05:08)
Your board quite honestly, I don't know what the planning board feedback will be but if it's dramatic like

[Speaker 4] (3:05:09 - 3:05:13)
Totally redesign the project in a different way then that puts us in a different scenario.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:13 - 3:05:13)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:13 - 3:05:15)
If it's please use these tree species

[Speaker 5] (3:05:16 - 3:05:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:16 - 3:05:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (3:05:16 - 3:05:16)
great.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:16 - 3:05:18)
I mean, I guess that's the issue,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
right?

[Speaker 5] (3:05:18 - 3:05:23)
If the planning board comes back and we're having a full blown conversation on the 8th about redesigning the entire project.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:23 - 3:05:28)
But I think it would be useful to, I mean, to know.

[Speaker 7] (3:05:29 - 3:05:29)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:30 - 3:05:32)
I doubt that's going to be the case.

[Speaker 7] (3:05:32 - 3:05:32)
Me too.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:33 - 3:05:36)
I don't have a sense. I have not had an opportunity to talk to them.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:37 - 3:05:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:38 - 3:05:40)
Did you say they're not until July 3rd?

[Speaker 5] (3:05:41 - 3:05:42)
That's what Marcy said, yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:43 - 3:05:47)
Yes, that's what Ted told me that their comments will be in by the third.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:48 - 3:05:52)
Their comments will be in by the 3rd, so they're going to be meeting earlier than that.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:56 - 3:05:58)
So go ahead with your additional

[Speaker 1] (3:05:58 - 3:05:59)
So, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:59 - 3:06:00)
comments.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:00 - 3:06:04)
Holly, I want to go back to a question I asked and Yara last time.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:04 - 3:06:05)
The culvert,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:05 - 3:06:13)
can you refresh at least my memory on the culvert that transects the

[Speaker 1] (3:06:15 - 3:06:17)
lot?

[Speaker 1] (3:06:17 - 3:06:17)
The lot,

[Speaker 5] (3:06:17 - 3:06:17)
There's a lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:17 - 3:06:19)
thank you. That's the simple word I was looking for.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:20 - 3:06:23)
Is that, I think it says that that's going to be...

[Speaker 1] (3:06:24 - 3:06:27)
removed moved

[Speaker 7] (3:06:27 - 3:06:28)
Move.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:28 - 3:06:32)
Ah, it's being slightly relocated.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:33 - 3:06:36)
relocated okay and

[Speaker 1] (3:06:37 - 3:06:40)
and why is that and where is it being real I couldn't track that

[Speaker 4] (3:06:42 - 3:06:44)
Jara, would you be able to?

[Speaker 4] (3:06:44 - 3:06:45)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:47 - 3:06:49)
It's being relocated.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:51 - 3:06:51)
Mm

[Speaker 5] (3:06:51 - 3:06:51)
And

[Speaker 2] (3:06:51 - 3:06:51)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:51 - 3:06:53)
Marcy might be able to help with the answer here going

[Speaker 1] (3:06:53 - 3:06:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:54 - 3:06:56)
I'm trying to pull up the plan, see

[Speaker 7] (3:06:56 - 3:06:56)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:06:56 - 3:06:56)
if I could

[Speaker 7] (3:06:56 - 3:06:59)
was going to say, if there's a plan reference sheet number.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:59 - 3:07:00)
Yeah, it's on C,

[Speaker 5] (3:07:00 - 3:07:07)
hold on, if you look at plan C,

[Speaker 5] (3:07:07 - 3:07:11)
C002.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:13 - 3:07:24)
There is a note that there's a note sort of in the middle of the plan that says remove of the

[Speaker 1] (3:07:24 - 3:07:26)
Yeah, like 87 linear feet of something.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:26 - 3:07:38)
culvert within the proposed building footprint and then to the left of that there is a note that says install 125 linear feet of the box culvert.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:39 - 3:07:54)
prior to the removal of the existing so that that dashed line that those arrows are pointing to is the location of the new culvert of the that we're moving the culvert so it is no longer underneath the building the proposed building footprint

[Speaker 1] (3:07:54 - 3:07:55)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:10 - 3:08:11)
So I

[Speaker 1] (3:08:16 - 3:08:21)
still feel as though we've

[Speaker 1] (3:08:22 - 3:08:29)
made a compromise here that is too severe compared.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:35 - 3:08:46)
excepting Danielle because she wasn't there in the beginning of this process, about how we were going to move this process forward in a unanimous fashion.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:47 - 3:08:53)
You know, those conversations were had in executive session.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:54 - 3:09:04)
We spent a lot of time accommodating each other's viewpoints to move forward in that fashion in the beginning,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:04 - 3:09:09)
and we lost that thread last year,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:16)
and we didn't just lose it amongst us select board members.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:17 - 3:09:44)
But I think that fed into, you know, breeding discontent and division in the community about this and leading us all into a path where we were choosing sides and we felt like there was nothing we could do except either choose the neighbors or choose the veterans and I think that's I think that's a failure of leadership on our part.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:45 - 3:09:55)
And I am, I think people most people know me, I'm not one to kind of perseverate on these things or get terribly dramatic about them,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:55 - 3:09:57)
but I'm just,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:57 - 3:10:07)
I'm having, finding it impossible to let go of this because I do feel like we've not

[Speaker 1] (3:10:10 - 3:10:12)
not exercised full imagination.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:12 - 3:10:14)
to figure this out in a better way.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:14 - 3:10:30)
We were, you know, understandably rushing towards a deadline at the end of last year and, you know, went down a kind of a polarizing path through the special town meeting and

[Speaker 1] (3:10:32 - 3:10:36)
And frankly had kind of a very divided vote there.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:36 - 3:10:41)
Even on the two votes we had kind of went both ways.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:42 - 3:10:46)
And even there, even in that context,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:46 - 3:10:53)
you know, people still kind of wanted to have everything on one site but didn't feel technically that that could happen at that moment.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:55 - 3:10:58)
Or the legalities or, you know, it was confusing.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:59 - 3:11:02)
Um, so I

[Speaker 1] (3:11:04 - 3:11:04)
realize,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:04 - 3:11:09)
you know, this is at least, you know, the clock's at least at midnight,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:09 - 3:11:14)
if not after midnight, but it occurs to me that, um,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:14 - 3:11:15)
one

[Speaker 1] (3:11:18 - 3:11:25)
of the big issues was four stories versus three stories. Now we have a beautiful picture of a three-story building.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:26 - 3:11:44)
um which i'm sure still feels like monstrous uh to the the neighbors um but you know that was the kind of compromise um but what what's occurred to me over the last couple weeks is that it's

[Speaker 1] (3:11:46 - 3:11:52)
actually possible to accommodate a post in that building

[Speaker 1] (3:11:54 - 3:11:55)
And keep it three stories.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:57 - 3:11:58)
If you take,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:58 - 3:12:02)
if you're looking for 2,000 square feet and

[Speaker 1] (3:12:04 - 3:12:05)
you have three stories,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:05 - 3:12:08)
you're looking for 700 square feet.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:11 - 3:12:14)
The building is 70 feet wide.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:17 - 3:12:18)
If you add 10 feet.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:20 - 3:12:21)
To the end of this building,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:22 - 3:12:24)
in three stories,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:25 - 3:12:28)
you've created 2,100 square feet.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:29 - 3:12:30)
Ten feet.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:34 - 3:12:35)
You probably lose a couple parking spots.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:39 - 3:12:42)
So I'm not the architect.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:43 - 3:12:46)
Maybe there's something wrong with that analysis.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:46 - 3:12:47)
Maybe it's, you know.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:51 - 3:12:57)
Still too complicated. I don't know. But it just seems to me that we

[Speaker 1] (3:13:04 - 3:13:13)
truncated a process and didn't focus on working to a mutual conclusion.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:17 - 3:13:25)
I'm really afraid of like what residue this will leave forever with this project.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:26 - 3:13:32)
And we don't have, you know, we're charging forward on this piece of the project.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:33 - 3:13:39)
But if we're being true to what we say is going to happen over at Reach Arts,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:39 - 3:13:40)
yes, sure,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:40 - 3:13:42)
we have money in the capital budget.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:45 - 3:13:55)
But I think we need to either be really operating both of these pieces simultaneously to ensure that we truly have a veterans crossing,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:55 - 3:14:01)
which I think it's a misnomer to call this a veterans crossing now when we have two different pieces, if that's what we're doing.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:03 - 3:14:09)
Of course, I would vote in a nanosecond to add 10 feet to that building.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:10 - 3:14:11)
We're still keeping it three stories.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:11 - 3:14:12)
That was the big thing.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:13 - 3:14:14)
um yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:14:16 - 3:14:31)
you're going to have parking issues because now you'd have the post there uh but you're going to parking issues either place you're going to have money to build out reach arts you're going to have money to build out the post that pine street um the

[Speaker 1] (3:14:42 - 3:14:46)
The agreement was that we had with the veterans so

[Speaker 1] (3:14:51 - 3:14:52)
Those are the thoughts I offer.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:52 - 3:14:53)
Marcie.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:53 - 3:15:17)
Sorry, Doug. One thing that I just wanted to point out, if your request is for the two thousand square feet additional space for the for the VFW, that's something as I'm not sure if we call from the discussions that we had had with the leadership of the veterans was that that was not not sufficient for them, that that was the issue with with the with the previous plan that that's that space is too small.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:17 - 3:15:20)
Of the fifteen hundred was too small too small.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:20 - 3:15:26)
Well, it's fifteen hundred plus two three hundred square foot spaces outside of that fifteen hundred for them to utilise.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:27 - 3:15:32)
That was ultimately fine with them, if I recall correctly.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:34 - 3:15:34)
So maybe

[Speaker 1] (3:15:34 - 3:15:34)
Obviously

[Speaker 2] (3:15:34 - 3:15:35)
that, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35)
that could be verified,

[Speaker 1] (3:15:36 - 3:15:36)
but...

[Speaker 2] (3:15:36 - 3:15:38)
that was just my takeaway.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:38 - 3:15:56)
So I just wanted to kind of point it out because I remember when we had the discussion initially at the senior center when the project was shared and at that point the leadership that was in attendance at that meeting stated that that space is insufficient,

[Speaker 2] (3:15:56 - 3:15:59)
that at this point they have a lot more space and

[Speaker 2] (3:15:59 - 3:16:03)
They really that this is not a viable option for them.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:06 - 3:16:08)
That obviously we have to ask them,

[Speaker 13] (3:16:08 - 3:16:09)
but

[Speaker 4] (3:16:09 - 3:16:25)
Yeah, well that I mean that was one discussion, but as the process evolved their thinking about that did evolve as well. So yes, that is it's accurate that they're that that the space that was offered initially was met.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:27 - 3:16:43)
as as you described however as they went down the road they said all right we could we can do with this space with with a you know with with something that that's a little smaller but ADA accessible and within and within the housing so

[Speaker 2] (3:16:44 - 3:16:51)
So I'm sorry that was never conveyed to me. I never had that discussion. I did not hear from the veterans about that.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:54 - 3:16:55)
Was there part of this that

[Speaker 5] (3:16:56 - 3:17:06)
Was there something to the funding piece that would necessitate a post in the actual housing units?

[Speaker 5] (3:17:06 - 3:17:08)
Wasn't there some piece to that?

[Speaker 3] (3:17:08 - 3:17:08)
So we

[Speaker 5] (3:17:08 - 3:17:10)
Was there a reason or is that not accurate?

[Speaker 3] (3:17:10 - 3:17:21)
can't even sure what we can openly discuss because these are all executive session conversations and we just got called out by

[Speaker 3] (3:17:21 - 3:17:26)
An hour ago first talking about something else from executive session and this is just

[Speaker 3] (3:17:28 - 3:17:42)
diving in deep with you Doug, this is part of the problem is that when the conversation started it became a lot about taking sides and using things against each other and mistrust even in our five

[Speaker 3] (3:17:44 - 3:17:46)
Plus or minus, right? As members came and left.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:46 - 3:17:50)
And so it became like everything can and will be used against you.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:50 - 3:17:53)
And so then the collaborative spirit of any conversations,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:53 - 3:17:58)
they fizzled because that wasn't a safe space to have any of those conversations.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:59 - 3:18:01)
So that's, again,

[Speaker 3] (3:18:01 - 3:18:06)
that's a representation of us also. And that's a shame that it happened that way.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:06 - 3:18:10)
But I mean, the reality is we signed an LDA.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:11 - 3:18:15)
So that we could utilize ARPA funds so that we can go forward with this project.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:15 - 3:18:17)
Now that doesn't mean we can't amend the LDA.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:17 - 3:18:20)
I'm not just squashing to say we can't.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:20 - 3:18:24)
But in order to develop our

[Speaker 1] (3:18:39 - 3:18:47)
We had to buy the square footage back from the developer and then put money in to develop the space.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:47 - 3:18:53)
So they would have a loss on the two spaces that they would have had had they become units.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:54 - 3:18:56)
Anybody correct me if I'm wrong, right?

[Speaker 2] (3:18:56 - 3:19:05)
But I thought Kim had mentioned something, Kim Martin Epstein had mentioned something at the special town meeting that said um there couldn't be a uh post or a

[Speaker 1] (3:19:05 - 3:19:07)
Oh that it may jeopardise their funding

[Speaker 2] (3:19:07 - 3:19:07)
That's

[Speaker 1] (3:19:07 - 3:19:07)
for

[Speaker 2] (3:19:07 - 3:19:13)
that's what I'm speaking about. That's what I'm referencing. I don't know if anybody else remembers that or what or if that's even accurate. I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:14 - 3:19:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:14 - 3:19:16)
I remember hearing something about that. I don't know if that's

[Speaker 3] (3:19:17 - 3:19:20)
I I think there I think there have been concerns about that. I mean, we clearly

[Speaker 3] (3:19:20 - 3:19:23)
really, we clearly, you know, bid it out that way,

[Speaker 2] (3:19:23 - 3:19:23)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:23 - 3:19:37)
right? Um yeah even required it at that point, right? Um yeah, I think there were concerns about that. There were concerns, you know, the operational issues of doing it that way, you know, if people don't like the feeling of it that way, I I I'm not

[Speaker 3] (3:19:38 - 3:19:43)
I literally don't know like if it's literally legally impossible you

[Speaker 2] (3:19:43 - 3:19:43)
Right, I

[Speaker 3] (3:19:43 - 3:19:43)
certainly

[Speaker 2] (3:19:43 - 3:19:44)
don't know.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:44 - 3:19:47)
want to have separate entrances and you know so but

[Speaker 4] (3:19:48 - 3:19:56)
And the use was another issue, right? Is that a comparable use to have within a housing project? That was something else that was brought up.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:57 - 3:19:59)
More from like an ethical consideration,

[Speaker 5] (3:19:59 - 3:19:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:59 - 3:20:03)
right? You know, having alcohol with, you know, a veteran population.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:04 - 3:20:08)
Yeah, I remember that piece, but I I don't know I I don't know the answer to that but

[Speaker 1] (3:20:08 - 3:20:09)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:20:10 - 3:20:18)
But I appreciate the spirit of what you're attempting to do and your honesty about like your feeling and just you know seeing if there's like

[Speaker 2] (3:20:19 - 3:20:23)
Some way to have a path for it. I appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:23 - 3:20:30)
I don't you know disagree necessarily but I also don't want to see this prop this project jeopardized

[Speaker 2] (3:20:31 - 3:20:42)
right I don't want to see it um and I don't want to put the developer in an awkward spot. Certainly, we you know have no intention of not going forward, but I can appreciate your thoughts.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:42 - 3:20:44)
Oh, absolutely. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a moment when

[Speaker 3] (3:20:45 - 3:20:47)
Everybody basically wants the housing Yeah, to happen

[Speaker 2] (3:20:47 - 3:20:48)
right.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:48 - 3:20:49)
and that's never been a question, right? So

[Speaker 4] (3:20:49 - 3:20:50)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:50 - 3:20:50)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:51 - 3:20:59)
If I could just point out two small sort of items or features that were not highlighted at the last meeting,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:59 - 3:21:06)
and then it was that there's going to be a flagpole on site and then the railing is a little bit different.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:06 - 3:21:07)
Holly and Yara,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:07 - 3:21:11)
is there anything else that you'd want to highlight in terms of the new plans?

[Speaker 3] (3:21:11 - 3:21:13)
That was a hard segway, Mary.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:13 - 3:21:13)
I

[Speaker 6] (3:21:13 - 3:21:13)
Sorry.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:13 - 3:21:14)
know, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:14 - 3:21:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:14 - 3:21:15)
I know, that's just it.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:15 - 3:21:16)
I was like, let me distract you.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:16 - 3:21:18)
Let me wave the flag.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:19 - 3:21:19)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:19 - 3:21:19)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (3:21:19 - 3:21:21)
but I wanted to make sure that you're aware of it because I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:21:21 - 3:21:21)
you,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:21 - 3:21:23)
think that we talked about it at the last meeting.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:27 - 3:21:34)
I think that sums it up, Marcy, because we revealed the other dumpster locations,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:34 - 3:21:35)
smoking shed,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:35 - 3:21:39)
which we wanted to make sure we called out because we know there are areas of concern.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:40 - 3:21:52)
Um, Marcy, you and I had a conversation about a deck and I could not figure out where I came up with that topic. It is on this A0001 schematic that there would be a deck off the backside facing.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:56)
I, that is still a concern for me just for neighborhood, um,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:56 - 3:21:58)
like visibility.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:58 - 3:22:04)
And I think, I think I may have heard that one of the concerns of the planning board is like the,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:04 - 3:22:05)
like the.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:08 - 3:22:11)
The feeling of it approaching,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:11 - 3:22:19)
what is this, Erie and Pine Street and having the building so close to the edge and having it be like a solid building on that edge.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:19 - 3:22:25)
So I wondered if one of the considerations may be to take the porch that's on the,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:25 - 3:22:28)
I think it's a porch on the second floor,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:28 - 3:22:36)
and move it to the Pine Street Erie side where there is more space between.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:39 - 3:23:00)
that in the neighbors so it feels less like you're overlooking the neighbors property and then also making it feel less like so up against the street there and a solid massive building and a little bit more open and then making that sort of parking lot face side more solid if that makes sense sorry if I'm not describing that well I

[Speaker 1] (3:23:05 - 3:23:08)
don't know if any of the neighbors brought up that concern or even saw that

[Speaker 1] (3:23:11 - 3:23:15)
But I would think that if we're gonna have a roof deck maybe having it

[Speaker 3] (3:23:15 - 3:23:21)
But isn't isn't the roof deck on the it's overlooking the parking lot right there

[Speaker 1] (3:23:21 - 3:23:25)
Yeah, but I mean it's also like looking in the backyard of one of this these neighbors,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:26 - 3:23:26)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:23:26 - 3:23:27)
This is their backyard

[Speaker 1] (3:23:28 - 3:23:29)
here and

[Speaker 3] (3:23:29 - 3:23:29)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:23:29 - 3:23:33)
I mean if their backyard is like my backyard,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:33 - 3:23:35)
it's probably you know, very small

[Speaker 1] (3:23:35 - 3:23:38)
and so it's likely that

[Speaker 1] (3:23:39 - 3:23:41)
I don't know how mature these trees are, if we're going to keep all these trees,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:41 - 3:23:43)
but there might be a line of sight there.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:44 - 3:23:46)
If we just moved it to the top corner of Erie,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:46 - 3:23:51)
even either facing the corner of Erie and Pine Street,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:51 - 3:24:01)
that overlooks the street and not somebody's backyard, or on the corner of, or on Erie, not on the corner of Pine

[Speaker 3] (3:24:01 - 3:24:01)
On

[Speaker 1] (3:24:01 - 3:24:01)
Street,

[Speaker 3] (3:24:01 - 3:24:02)
Erie.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:02 - 3:24:04)
at least there's a, it looks like there's a driveway here.

[Speaker 3] (3:24:06 - 3:24:13)
But what about from a design perspective to just provide that screening on the Curry's circle?

[Speaker 3] (3:24:14 - 3:24:22)
side here so that way you you wouldn't have that you wouldn't you wouldn't necessarily have that visibility into the backyard I

[Speaker 1] (3:24:22 - 3:24:27)
Yeah, I mean that's that's a totally an option and I'm not stuck on moving the porch,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:27 - 3:24:40)
but I think part from what I had heard maybe part of the planning board's initial thoughts on it was its approach coming down pine and like the solidness of the building coming from pine and having it maybe have.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:40 - 3:24:47)
sort of a broken up on one side with a porch so that that second level was open might make it feel a little less

[Speaker 6] (3:24:47 - 3:24:48)
Intrusive.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:48 - 3:25:03)
Yeah, or or uh disparaging against the heights of the neighbours. Um so if it sort of like went from three stories to two stories to a one story house, that might be a nice approach rather than three story, three story, one story house.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:03 - 3:25:05)
I don't know. It was just a thought. I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:05 - 3:25:06)
Is that a possibility,

[Speaker 2] (3:25:06 - 3:25:07)
do you think?

[Speaker 2] (3:25:08 - 3:25:09)
I'm asking Benet.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:10 - 3:25:13)
Yara, you're more of an architect than me.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:15 - 3:25:17)
We can definitely look into it.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:18 - 3:25:19)
I know that they,

[Speaker 6] (3:25:19 - 3:25:29)
you know, there's sort of, we can definitely ask our architects to look into that and the layout of, you know, the units,

[Speaker 6] (3:25:29 - 3:25:33)
you know, the stacking of the units and I know that the...

[Speaker 6] (3:25:34 - 3:25:56)
The size of that proposed roof deck is not necessarily a full unit size so we would sort of have to see how that would stack but we could also definitely try to see if there's some way to alleviate sort of that sort of solid three story wall on Erie Street and we could see if there's anything that's viable.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:57 - 3:25:59)
I guess my request is that

[Speaker 6] (3:26:00 - 3:26:06)
if this is one of the comments and direction that we need to take and potentially in the

[Speaker 1] (3:26:06 - 3:26:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:06 - 3:26:12)
planning board memo I think we just need clear direction I really

[Speaker 4] (3:26:12 - 3:26:12)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (3:26:12 - 3:26:19)
don't want to exercise our architects to do something in between now and July 3rd that maybe we'll get overruled

[Speaker 4] (3:26:19 - 3:26:20)
absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:20 - 3:26:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:20 - 3:26:26)
Definitely not asking you to come up with a new schematic design right now for sure. Just an idea.

[Speaker 3] (3:26:27 - 3:26:27)
I am.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:29 - 3:26:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:29 - 3:26:31)
I will and we'll present that to the planning board maybe

[Speaker 1] (3:26:31 - 3:26:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:26:31 - 3:26:32)
that's

[Speaker 1] (3:26:32 - 3:26:32)
and not we

[Speaker 2] (3:26:32 - 3:26:32)
anything they

[Speaker 1] (3:26:32 - 3:26:33)
don't

[Speaker 2] (3:26:33 - 3:26:33)
would yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:26:33 - 3:26:34)
even have the feedback from the planning board.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:34 - 3:26:35)
So again,

[Speaker 1] (3:26:35 - 3:26:42)
we're also fostering under the same, you know, like I'm making some assumptions here of things that I heard, but I don't know them to be 100% accurate.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:42 - 3:26:47)
So we're going to have to wait until the planning board comes back with feedback because we open the door.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:47 - 3:26:50)
So we've got to let them in to be able to have the time to do that.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:50 - 3:26:53)
And if I can raise it, Marcy, I don't know if.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:54 - 3:27:12)
changing the location of that roof deck if the name I'm not 100% sure where the different neighbors were who attended the meeting who were very involved and very detailed in their comments if there were folks

[Speaker 1] (3:27:12 - 3:27:13)
Would that be a follow-up to this?

[Speaker 6] (3:27:13 - 3:27:21)
that directly across Erie Street that might not like this change I just want to be aware I just want to be aware

[Speaker 6] (3:27:22 - 3:27:23)
sensitivities that could

[Speaker 1] (3:27:23 - 3:27:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:23 - 3:27:24)
could be raised in

[Speaker 4] (3:27:24 - 3:27:24)
And

[Speaker 6] (3:27:24 - 3:27:25)
that

[Speaker 4] (3:27:25 - 3:27:29)
also to David's point, I think that we should really look at the landscaping plan.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:29 - 3:27:40)
I'm trying to look at it quickly to see what, you know, like if there's any mature trees that are staying or there's, you know, like other landscaping that would sort of provide additional screening from that site.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:41 - 3:27:43)
I think right at that area,

[Speaker 3] (3:27:44 - 3:27:48)
I thought I had noticed on one of the plans that there was actually removal of trees.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:48 - 3:27:50)
trees. Yes, there are, but then there's a replacement,

[Speaker 3] (3:27:51 - 3:27:53)
yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:27:53 - 3:27:53)
Somewhere.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:53 - 3:27:54)
I mean I understand why

[Speaker 4] (3:27:54 - 3:27:54)
But

[Speaker 3] (3:27:54 - 3:27:54)
you need.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:54 - 3:28:03)
that's something else that we can take a look at because I think that maybe there's sufficient screening either through fencing or the trees or maybe, you know, some natural

[Speaker 6] (3:28:03 - 3:28:04)
I mean, you're already going to get a lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:08 - 3:28:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:28:08 - 3:28:10)
Is now exiting.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:10 - 3:28:11)
I know.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:12 - 3:28:13)
Good to know.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:13 - 3:28:14)
I'm there for you.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:14 - 3:28:15)
Mary DiCillo left.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:17 - 3:28:18)
It would be a little.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:19 - 3:28:19)
I have some other.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:19 - 3:28:21)
I have some other comments. Is

[Speaker 1] (3:28:21 - 3:28:22)
Please now's the time.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:24 - 3:28:29)
Thank you. Did you all

[Speaker 2] (3:28:33 - 3:28:39)
talk any more, look into any more the questions I had last time on

[Speaker 2] (3:28:39 - 3:28:41)
Energy efficiency,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:41 - 3:28:46)
low-carbon building design standards approach you would use.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:53 - 3:29:00)
We don't have any more information regarding that, but we would with the comprehensive permit submission.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:13 - 3:29:13)
Pretty

[Speaker 3] (3:29:13 - 3:29:13)
And

[Speaker 2] (3:29:13 - 3:29:13)
fast.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:13 - 3:29:21)
the key reason is because we're not, we haven't been engaging the architects on these until we know what we need to edit,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:21 - 3:29:21)
honestly.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:23 - 3:29:25)
Well, it's a little bit of a chicken and egg, isn't it?

[Speaker 2] (3:29:26 - 3:29:29)
You know, my understanding is at this phase,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:30 - 3:29:37)
it's very common to understand whether or not you're going to be, I mean, you have to do to specialized code because we've adopted that here.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:38 - 3:29:40)
So that's that's not really a question

[Speaker 3] (3:29:40 - 3:29:43)
Yeah, we must meet energy code and building code.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:43 - 3:29:43)
Right

[Speaker 2] (3:29:44 - 3:29:52)
You mentioned meet last time. Well, you've done things as Passive House in the past Well, if you're gonna do Passive House my understanding is that you would know that now

[Speaker 2] (3:29:54 - 3:29:57)
It's not necessarily when I'm not asking you to like tell me what the

[Speaker 2] (3:29:58 - 3:30:03)
building envelope is going to be rated at per se specifically but

[Speaker 2] (3:30:04 - 3:30:04)
Conceptually,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:04 - 3:30:04)
Not necessarily.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:04 - 3:30:05)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:05 - 3:30:08)
Jara knows more about this because of her recent experience,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:08 - 3:30:14)
but it's my understanding there's a few pathways to meet energy code and passive house is one of them.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:15 - 3:30:16)
Jara, is that correct?

[Speaker 1] (3:30:16 - 3:30:17)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:17 - 3:30:17)
that's right.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:18 - 3:30:22)
Again, I don't know that, no.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:22 - 3:30:23)
But,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:23 - 3:30:35)
you know, our goal is to have all our, you know, have been, you know, our most recent developments and the other developments is to, you know, our goal is to have passive housing on our projects,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:35 - 3:30:35)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:36 - 3:30:39)
So we haven't engaged our sustainability consultants yet,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:39 - 3:30:45)
but, you know, the goals of our developments and recent developments have been to make them as low as possible.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:45 - 3:30:47)
and energy efficient as possible.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:49 - 3:30:50)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:30:50 - 3:30:59)
but you're asking us to approve this schematic design that has all sorts of mechanical equipment nicely hidden on the roof,

[Speaker 2] (3:30:59 - 3:31:00)
but

[Speaker 2] (3:31:03 - 3:31:07)
that's going to preclude you having this be solar optimized.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:09 - 3:31:12)
the way you've drawn it and what we're approving.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:12 - 3:31:25)
So are you suggesting we should say we're approving this but not with that mechanical equipment there because you can't do solar and you what you're saying earlier Holly in terms of holistic conditions.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:26 - 3:31:36)
I would like collectively all of us to consider the potential that we could add solar on the sloped roof.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:40 - 3:31:42)
As single family homeowners do.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:51 - 3:31:57)
So you want us to approve it with the possibility that you might add solar on the sloped roof?

[Speaker 3] (3:31:59 - 3:32:00)
That sounds great.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:00 - 3:32:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:01 - 3:32:01)
I bet it does.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:07 - 3:32:12)
requires us to be very green for their funding sources to create the support of housing.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:16 - 3:32:17)
Okay, well, so...

[Speaker 3] (3:32:17 - 3:32:18)
So it will meet a high standard.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:21 - 3:32:21)
Okay, well,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:21 - 3:32:26)
can you share what that is with us then so we're not guessing if you're So already.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:26 - 3:32:46)
what I guess what's the concern honestly like what do you want to mandate that we're passive house certified or I mean that we'll meet your local building codes you want us to exceed local building codes I'd say sure give us a condition and we'll as long as it's reasonable and meeting building code we'll meet it

[Speaker 2] (3:32:49 - 3:32:52)
If you want to go that way, that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:52 - 3:32:55)
I mean, I'm not trying to play a guessing game.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:55 - 3:32:56)
I mean, if you have,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:56 - 3:32:58)
that's news to me what you just said,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:58 - 3:33:01)
that you have certain things that are required of you for your funding.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:02 - 3:33:05)
Why don't we start with that to understand what's required?

[Speaker 2] (3:33:06 - 3:33:08)
Maybe that's terrific.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:10 - 3:33:12)
So do you want additional information?

[Speaker 3] (3:33:12 - 3:33:13)
And then this

[Speaker 2] (3:33:13 - 3:33:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:13 - 3:33:16)
part of this is we've submitted this set.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:17 - 3:33:19)
Is it a, as an applicant,

[Speaker 3] (3:33:19 - 3:33:21)
is it approved or not approved?

[Speaker 3] (3:33:21 - 3:33:22)
Do you need edits?

[Speaker 3] (3:33:22 - 3:33:29)
Do you need, like we need a clear direction, almost a written response of what it is.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:31 - 3:33:36)
Were, this was a milestone set for us, this schematic design set,

[Speaker 3] (3:33:36 - 3:33:41)
and our intention was to take feedback.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:44 - 3:34:09)
Commons or conditions back to our architect to refine our set to be the comprehensive permit package which then gets I mean the typical course of events goes to the zoning board and gets discussed and edited and conditioned in a greater level of detail.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:11 - 3:34:15)
I fully appreciate that, but this is our last chance to say anything about it.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:16 - 3:34:18)
And yes, so I'll be direct.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:18 - 3:34:25)
Since you've said that you have certain requirements that you're obligated to meet in this regard,

[Speaker 2] (3:34:25 - 3:34:30)
it would be wonderful for you to share what those are so that we know what's already required,

[Speaker 2] (3:34:30 - 3:34:34)
and maybe that'll be sufficient for me,

[Speaker 2] (3:34:34 - 3:34:38)
or maybe I'll suggest we add something more.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:43 - 3:34:46)
certainly meet your local building code and your stretch code.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:47 - 3:34:50)
We would like to be solar ready.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:53 - 3:35:02)
Ideally it won't be required that we add solar because sometimes we struggle to find the sources to do that and add it after the building is already occupied.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:05 - 3:35:07)
We will have water sense,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:07 - 3:35:10)
low flow plumbing fixtures.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:14 - 3:35:24)
We will use wherever available energy star energy efficient appliances as we do in all of our other developments or

[Speaker 3] (3:35:28 - 3:35:30)
is there anything else we can add that we've done most recently?

[Speaker 1] (3:35:31 - 3:35:40)
And it's such a high, you know, the most recently we've done Passive House where the level of

[Speaker 3] (3:35:41 - 3:35:42)
of um

[Speaker 3] (3:35:46 - 3:36:04)
you know the level of efficiency in the building is extreme is extremely high and and you know we're not sort of guaranteeing we're going to do Passive House but we I think we need to I

[Speaker 3] (3:36:08 - 3:36:10)
think we can actually say we

[Speaker 3] (3:36:11 - 3:36:14)
gold certifiable because that's what we have in our most recent development,

[Speaker 3] (3:36:14 - 3:36:14)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:36:15 - 3:36:31)
We don't typically go through the process of certifying for LEED because it is very costly, but we provide many of the features including and needed for the LEED certification so we can submit the checklist to you.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:33 - 3:36:34)
Yeah, I wasn't suggesting lead.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:35 - 3:36:39)
And I think, you know, if you're doing specialized code,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:39 - 3:36:40)
which we've adopted here,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:40 - 3:36:41)
it may,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:42 - 3:36:47)
depending on how you're designing, may be very close to being passive house in order to get to specialized.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:48 - 3:36:53)
But there are other, you know, aspects to all of this, some of which you're starting to touch on,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:53 - 3:36:57)
but, you know, I'm not looking here to go through like every little piece.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:59 - 3:37:06)
collectively, it would be nice to understand what, you know, what you've spec'd out, what you haven't to start with.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:06 - 3:37:14)
But, you know, there are things about permeable surfaces and what you're doing with stormwater and the fact that this is a floodplain. And,

[Speaker 2] (3:37:14 - 3:37:22)
you know, there's other aspects to all of this too that are especially at this site highly relevant given it's a floodplain.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:24 - 3:37:25)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:25 - 3:37:47)
And the building is going to be elevated and will be, you know, has been designed to be able to address all the floodplain concerns and the stormwater management system. I know that there's, you know, sort of there's reports that need to be that will be compiled and during the for the for the comprehensive permit application.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:08 - 3:38:10)
That's anybody?

[Speaker 1] (3:38:10 - 3:38:10)
Anybody?

[Speaker 2] (3:38:15 - 3:38:28)
I mean, Doug, to your point, we could just require them to a standard and they would have to show it's not financially reasonable in order to not meet the standard.

[Speaker 2] (3:38:29 - 3:38:32)
If that's the direction you're suggesting or would like to go in.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:32 - 3:38:35)
I mean I'm just yeah, this isn't just Doug, right? I mean this is

[Speaker 2] (3:38:35 - 3:38:35)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:35 - 3:38:35)
this is

[Speaker 2] (3:38:35 - 3:38:35)
I understand.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:35 - 3:38:36)
a climate action plan.

[Speaker 2] (3:38:36 - 3:38:36)
Listen,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:36 - 3:38:37)
This is exactly

[Speaker 2] (3:38:37 - 3:38:37)
I understand.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:37 - 3:38:39)
what we're expecting from all these things, right?

[Speaker 3] (3:38:39 - 3:38:40)
So just

[Speaker 2] (3:38:40 - 3:38:41)
So if you

[Speaker 3] (3:38:41 - 3:38:42)
kind of carrying that torch here

[Speaker 2] (3:38:42 - 3:38:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:42 - 3:38:45)
a little bit, right? And you know

[Speaker 3] (3:38:46 - 3:38:56)
I'm clearly frustrated. I feel like yeah, I shouldn't have to be you know, you know pulling this information out And this has been a frustration throughout this process.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:57 - 3:38:58)
I have to say

[Speaker 3] (3:38:58 - 3:39:01)
But you know, so I'd love it if

[Speaker 3] (3:39:02 - 3:39:08)
You know, as I've asked twice, if we could get a list of what will be included, you know, through this conversation,

[Speaker 3] (3:39:08 - 3:39:22)
you know, little bits of information are kind of dripping out, um and it'd be nice to have the the holistic understanding of what they've thought about. You maybe all these things are covered, that would be great. Um but right now,

[Speaker 3] (3:39:22 - 3:39:25)
unless I've missed something somewhere it uh

[Speaker 3] (3:39:26 - 3:39:33)
I didn't know a lot of what I just learned in the last ten minutes, and so I don't know if I know everything yet, and it's kinda hard to follow.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:36 - 3:39:37)
Okay. There's

[Speaker 4] (3:39:37 - 3:39:46)
So I'm happy to work with uh to provide information or maybe Yara and Holly that we can work together and you can forward the information from me to the select board.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:47 - 3:39:48)
That sounds great.

[Speaker 5] (3:39:50 - 3:39:51)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (3:39:51 - 3:39:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:54 - 3:39:55)
And then from that, Holly,

[Speaker 2] (3:39:56 - 3:40:00)
we will be able to, with the comments from the planning board,

[Speaker 2] (3:40:00 - 3:40:13)
looking more holistically at the schematic design with that information and their comments, we will be discussing on the 8th, and then we will be able to get comments back to you.

[Speaker 6] (3:40:16 - 3:40:16)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:17 - 3:40:18)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (3:40:18 - 3:40:18)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:19 - 3:40:23)
Thank you both for being up at such a late hour. We appreciate it.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:26 - 3:40:30)
That's the last item on old and new business.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:30 - 3:40:30)
Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 2] (3:40:30 - 3:40:32)
did you drop off or are you still here?

[Speaker 7] (3:40:33 - 3:40:34)
I'm here.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:34 - 3:40:34)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:40:34 - 3:40:35)
did you have anything?

[Speaker 2] (3:40:35 - 3:40:36)
Sorry,

[Speaker 2] (3:40:36 - 3:40:39)
before I go because apologies, you're not in the room soon.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:39 - 3:40:40)
On this,

[Speaker 7] (3:40:40 - 3:40:40)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (3:40:40 - 3:40:40)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:40 - 3:40:41)
trying to think on this.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:41 - 3:40:42)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:40:42 - 3:40:42)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:43 - 3:40:50)
Alright, the last, we've already done the consent agenda. So the last item is um select board time. I know it's

[Speaker 8] (3:40:50 - 3:40:50)
late, Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:50 - 3:40:51)
but um does anybody

[Speaker 8] (3:40:51 - 3:40:52)
We're going, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
you,

[Speaker 4] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
you.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
Holly,

[Speaker 3] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (3:40:53 - 3:40:53)
we

[Speaker 3] (3:40:53 - 3:40:54)
you.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:54 - 3:40:54)
you.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:54 - 3:40:59)
are um does anybody have anything for select board time?

[Speaker 4] (3:40:59 - 3:41:00)
I just have one thing.

[Speaker 2] (3:41:00 - 3:41:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:02 - 3:41:03)
Um I'm gonna hold up this little card.

[Speaker 9] (3:41:04 - 3:41:29)
This is an open studio that is being done by one of our local artists, Nate Fontes Freed, those of you that do not know him, um he is doing an open studio June twenty-eighth at his residence forty-eight Arch Orchard Road, if anyone can see that. Um he's quite talented, he's done a lot for a lot of people in this town, including the new elementary school, he's designing a piece for the lobby. But he's having an open studio and I'd highly recommend everyone give him a visit.

[Speaker 9] (3:41:30 - 3:41:31)
Again, there you go.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:32 - 3:41:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (3:41:33 - 3:41:33)
That's all I've got.

[Speaker 2] (3:41:34 - 3:41:34)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:35 - 3:41:39)
So I'm just I'm just excited about the movie nights that are starting.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:40 - 3:41:53)
So, you know, I'm looking forward to to that. I'm looking forward to the fireworks festival on July 3rd and then the litany of concerts that are coming on Wednesday nights.

[Speaker 2] (3:41:55 - 3:41:55)
Thank you, David.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:56 - 3:41:57)
I'm all set.

[Speaker 2] (3:41:57 - 3:41:57)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:41:58 - 3:41:58)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 11] (3:42:00 - 3:42:14)
Yeah, so I just wanted to really reiterate what we heard during that DEI presentation that we have an issue with communication and I know that when I started campaigning in 2022,

[Speaker 11] (3:42:14 - 3:42:15)
that was constantly.

[Speaker 11] (3:42:16 - 3:42:40)
a topic that people brought up communication communication and that we need help with how to communicate better so I was happy to hear that from everybody that comment on the board and from the consultants so that's one comment my next comment is we have our annual rabies clinic next Wednesday from 6 to 7 it's on the website it's on town Facebook

[Speaker 11] (3:42:42 - 3:42:47)
um probably ask people to put on other Facebook pages and if you just pass it around it's just our

[Speaker 11] (3:42:48 - 3:43:12)
one our anniversary date in June if you just bring in your certificates we can get you three year if you don't have a certificate gets you one year and it's for dogs and cats only so if anybody has any questions they could just give me a call or call Diane just send an email to anybody we can get people helped and it's for it's open to the public it's open to not just once got but any resident

[Speaker 11] (3:43:13 - 3:43:14)
And that's it.

[Speaker 11] (3:43:14 - 3:43:16)
And I don't know who's manning the video,

[Speaker 11] (3:43:16 - 3:43:17)
but tell them thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:18 - 3:43:19)
They heard you.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:20 - 3:43:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:21 - 3:43:23)
I just want to,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:23 - 3:43:26)
I was asked by the Board of Health to convey two things.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:26 - 3:43:33)
One, their dismay and disappointment about the potential loss of the public health nurse.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:34 - 3:43:34)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:35 - 3:43:37)
they obviously had a call to back,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:37 - 3:43:37)
call to action,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:38 - 3:43:40)
which is why we heard all those folks in public comment.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:40 - 3:43:40)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:41 - 3:43:42)
I went to the public health, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:42 - 3:43:47)
the Board of Health meeting this evening before this meeting and, um,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:48 - 3:43:49)
they are really looking for, um,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:50 - 3:43:55)
Gino and the board to reconsider the decision of losing the public health nurse.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:56 - 3:43:57)
Um, so.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:58 - 3:44:09)
Also, they would like everybody to know that the Rec Department programming was voted back in February to be moved to Eisenman's Beach.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:09 - 3:44:16)
Because they did not have the data to say for certain that fishermen would be safe,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:16 - 3:44:19)
so they voted back in February to move the programming.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:20 - 3:44:22)
So that's set in stone,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:22 - 3:44:33)
the rec director should be aware of that, and there will be no programming at fishermen's except there were the, well the sail program will be at fishermen's obviously.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:34 - 3:44:38)
Also I wanted to highlight that we are having,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:39 - 3:44:40)
I believe it's the 28th of June,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:40 - 3:44:43)
that there will be a dedicated...

[Speaker 2] (3:44:44 - 3:44:45)
A ribbon cutting,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:45 - 3:44:47)
I guess, for lack of a better term, of the two accessible

[Speaker 3] (3:44:47 - 3:44:48)
Or,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:48 - 3:44:50)
wheelchairs that will be available at Fisherman's Beach.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:51 - 3:44:52)
The 30th, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 11] (3:44:52 - 3:44:53)
30th, the

[Speaker 2] (3:44:53 - 3:44:53)
Thank you, Diane.

[Speaker 11] (3:44:53 - 3:44:53)
Monday after.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:53 - 3:44:55)
Monday the 30th at 11 a.m.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:56 - 3:45:05)
And it is through a generous donation by Deb Newman and her family that we will have an adult beach accessible.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:07 - 3:45:15)
wheelchair and through a donation through a non-profit that we will have a child's accessible wheelchair.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:15 - 3:45:22)
It was brought up in the Board of Health meeting this afternoon about why it was at fishermen's beach since fishermen's is not always open for swimming.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:23 - 3:45:25)
I don't know the correct answer.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:25 - 3:45:33)
I would guess it is because they need to be stored and they will be locked in a locker so they will be available upon request and reservation and they won't just be available.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:34 - 3:45:59)
you know like for your kids to play on or for something like you know they're going to be utilized and so they had suggested looking into whether they could be moved to other beaches and if there was storage available at any other beach to keep them I suggested that maybe we not limit ourselves and instead we look for more avenues to get more accessibility at more beaches and not move the accessibility from fishermen so

[Speaker 2] (3:45:59 - 3:46:02)
Let's see if we can accomplish something there.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:04 - 3:46:05)
All right, that's all I have.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:05 - 3:46:06)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:06 - 3:46:08)
Oh, and happy birthday, Doug.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:08 - 3:46:09)
Happy birthday, Katie.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:09 - 3:46:09)
Happy

[Speaker 2] (3:46:09 - 3:46:10)
Tomorrow

[Speaker 9] (3:46:10 - 3:46:10)
birthday,

[Speaker 4] (3:46:10 - 3:46:10)
Happy

[Speaker 2] (3:46:10 - 3:46:10)
is

[Speaker 9] (3:46:10 - 3:46:10)
happy

[Speaker 4] (3:46:10 - 3:46:10)
birthday.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:10 - 3:46:11)
Doug's birthday.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:11 - 3:46:11)
Tomorrow

[Speaker 9] (3:46:11 - 3:46:12)
Happy birthday

[Speaker 3] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
is Katie's

[Speaker 9] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
to both

[Speaker 3] (3:46:12 - 3:46:13)
birthday.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:13 - 3:46:13)
of you.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:13 - 3:46:14)
I won't forget it.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:15 - 3:46:16)
Happy Juneteenth,

[Speaker 2] (3:46:16 - 3:46:17)
Happy

[Speaker 3] (3:46:17 - 3:46:17)
everybody.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:17 - 3:46:17)
Juneteenth,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:17 - 3:46:18)
More

[Speaker 2] (3:46:18 - 3:46:18)
everyone.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:18 - 3:46:18)
importantly.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:18 - 3:46:19)
That's right.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:19 - 3:46:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:21 - 3:46:23)
I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:23 - 3:46:23)
So moved.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:23 - 3:46:24)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:24 - 3:46:26)
Thank you. All in favor?

[Speaker 10] (3:46:26 - 3:46:26)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:26 - 3:46:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:27 - 3:46:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:27 - 3:46:28)
All right, thanks everyone.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:28 - 3:46:28)
Night.