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Great. Welcome to the July 22,

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2025 Swampscott Select Board.

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We will, we are being recorded and we will start with the Pledge of Allegiance and our honoree tonight,

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Effie, will help us with the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

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And

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A sincere

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to the Republic

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wish for which it stands,

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one nation

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one nation,

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under God,

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under God,

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indivisible,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Diane,

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do you have the, oh,

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okay, it's on here.

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So our first order of business tonight is a presentation of a proclamation to Effie Cobbett.

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Sure, you can come to the microphone. Looks like you're all ready to go.

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And this is for your Girl Scout Gold Award.

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Yeah.

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Thank you. Would you like to tell us about what it took to get there?

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So my Gold Award project is based in an area of Swampscott right across middle school in a

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land that was previously unable to be used just a little bit of an area of woods that's part of the Muskrat Pond Conservation Area and my thoughts for this project were that I wanted to be able to reclaim this area for Swampscott Public School public community use and I also wanted to be able to do two more things one I get rid of more invasive species in Swampscott and two

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Make an area of land that you could have more natural unstructured play and where you could reconnect with nature in an area close to both Swampscott Middle School and Swampscott Elementary School.

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And I had so many people help me with this. For one, I had Tony and Marzi and all of the Swampscott Conservation Commission and Swampscott Conservancy.

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I had Suzanne as my lovely gold award advisor and they all helped me immensely.

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I had Mr. Cresta and Mr. Noonan and the DPW helped me remove some structures left over previously which were the reason that this area couldn't be used by the public at all and with many other things such as trash removal.

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And I, in addition to this physical area, worked with teachers in the Swanscot school system in the middle school and elementary school level to implement more curriculum on invasive species that were based in Swanscot specifically so our children can learn a little bit more about the natural world around them that they interact with on a daily basis.

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So when did you start in the Girl Scouts?

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I started as a Daisy so I was five years old.

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And how many years did it take to get the gold award?

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Well for the Girl Scouts there is the bronze award and silver award and the gold award so I

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I did part of my bronze and silver award but due to things such as my troop disbanding and COVID I unfortunately never got to the stage where I was awarded with them so that made going for gold all the more important to me.

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So that started about three or four years ago and the process was able to be officially started about a year ago.

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So this fall we are going to be um putting plaques up at town hall that will have the name of every Eagle Scout um

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recipient and every gold scout recipient. So we are gonna have to take uh one of the plates and have your name engraved. But I think you'll be aw will you be away at school?

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I will be.

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So we might have to zoom you in.

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Okay?

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Sounds good.

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So we'll find out what your schedule is, but you will your name will be right up on there. Okay?

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Thank you so much.

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Great.

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So this okay so it's talked I apologise for being tardy. Um but uh does anybody else have any questions before I read the awards? Okay.

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So we have a proclamation recognizing your amazing,

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incredible efforts,

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and this says the recognition of gold award Girl Scout Effie Cobbett, whereas the rank of gold award Girl Scout is the highest honor that can be attained by a Girl Scout and takes years of dedication and commitment, and whereas gold award Girl Scout is

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a recognition of gold award Girl Scout Effie Cobbett, and whereas gold award Girl Scout is a recognition

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the Gold Award Girl Scout is a distinction that will follow you throughout your life and will be a beacon to others of the leadership qualities and commitment you have shown.

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And whereas your attainment of the rank of Gold Award Girl Scout involved removing unsafe outdoor exercise equipment at Muskrat Pond Conservation Area,

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removing trash and invasive species,

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building and installing a bench,

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the creation of unstructured play equipment made of natural materials such as parts from fallen trees and creating interpretive signs on invasive species and the nature play equipment,

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this major community service project will undoubtedly benefit.

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and fit all visitors to the Muskrat Pond Conservation Area for years to come.

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And now therefore be it proclaimed that on behalf of the entire Select Board and the town of Swampscott,

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we do hereby congratulate and recognize you for your achievement of the rank of Gold Award Girl Scout and urge others to join us in extending congratulations and witness we have all signed our hands here too and affix the great seal of the town of Swampscott Massachusetts this 22nd day of July.

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Alright.

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Thank you.

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Great job.

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So I feel indulgent to take photographs,

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because your parents will obviously want that. So if you have you two you guys come up and hold your award and Diane will take some pictures of you, and then why don't you guys take a first and then we'll come here to take them in the next achievement for all.

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Alright you guys wanna join us?

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Yep.

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Don't go.

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Madam Chair.

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Yes.

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Would it be possible to move the town administrator's report to the end of the um agenda, just because we have ten items that have to get in here as as that possible oh can I make a motion?

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You absolutely can, sure. I would have an issue with that. Anybody have an objection to moving it?

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Okay, good.

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I'm good, yeah.

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Okay.

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I think the only downside is that Gino doesn't get to share with, I mean, a lot more people are around now than there are later.

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Um so I I that's the only problem, I don't wanna like lose the flow of like what you're sharing and stuff, but

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There's a lot of there's a lot of people that need to speak to newer and old business and I'm sure they can zoom in too.

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So, uh I can I get a second from you. So

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Is that?

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Okay.

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Yeah, we post too.

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I don't think we need to take a vote for me to reorganize the agenda. So I'm

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Okay.

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happy to move the town

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Should it go to the administrator's new?

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report.

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So we move to

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Oh, go to public comment.

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move to public comment, yes. Okay. So anybody who is here for public comment, it's a three-minute time limit. Please state your name and your address before you speak.

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Um and I will uh set a timer and when you hear the timer go off and I ask you to close public code.

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Come right up to the mic, yes.

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Alright before you start, I just want to mention the select board will not respond to public comment.

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Um just that is our tradition.

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Go ahead.

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Testing.

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Alright. Good evening.

[Speaker 7] (14:15 - 14:20)
My name is Jill Sessery. I live at 15 Charlotte Road. I serve as chair of the Recreation Commission,

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am a town meeting member and a volunteer with the farmers market. I want to be clear that I'm speaking tonight as an individual,

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not on behalf of the commission.

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What brings me here tonight is deep sadness and growing dismay at what I've come to understand about the hiring process for the new recreation director.

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There was every opportunity to handle this transition responsibly.

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With this being the department's busiest season,

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the town should have appointed an interim director,

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retained the outgoing director part-time, and conducted a transparent search in the off-season.

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After a permanent town administrator was in place.

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The outgoing director shared with me that a panel and broader engagement process had been suggested to the acting town administrator.

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That recommendation was not taken up.

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Instead,

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the acting town administrator proceeded hastily with an opaque decision that passed over a deeply experienced, widely respected internal candidate whose work has been central to the department's stability and success.

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This is someone who has shown up consistently,

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made personal sacrifices,

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and gone above and beyond to keep things running.

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This is the kind of decision that demoralizes the very people who show up every day and often nights and weekends to serve this town.

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Swampscott is already facing serious staff retention challenges,

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and finding volunteers who consistently show up and follow through is not easy.

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When we fail to value that kind of dedication,

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we don't just lose help, we lose trust and credibility.

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I have seen how demanding this work is,

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and how rarely it's acknowledged.

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I urge this board to reflect on what this situation has signaled to town employees and volunteers.

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I find it frankly indefensible.

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That said,

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I'm stepping down from the Recreation Commission effective immediately.

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My resignation will be submitted this evening.

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My last day as a market manager will be August 3rd.

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While this was not an easy decision,

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it is the only one I can make in good conscience.

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Thank you and good night.

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A little shorter.

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Debbie Friedlander, 159 Phillips.

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The reason that I'm coming, and I know that I'm gonna speak for a lot of people, is we still continue to see some online rancor.

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We elected all of you.

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I know that there are personality issues.

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I know that there are policy issues.

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will be elected every single one of you so that you will work those out intelligently,

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professionally,

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and mature.

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I would ask that personal attacks please refrain from having those in public because while I know that all of you feel passionate and I know that all of you feel that your position is correct.

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I will speak just for myself at how it lands.

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It lands that every action has a reaction. That's a natural law.

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And the more you spend time attacking each other,

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it's less time you spend time on our issues.

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And please note that for some of you who may not like each other, maybe,

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or just don't like each other's policies or positions.

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what the town needs or doesn't need many people voted for each of you so I just would ask that at times you take a breath and pause I know that the body gets really riled up and it almost feels good to be angry right and you feel very passionate but I'm just telling you as a resident of Swampscott this is not landing well on me

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I don't want to talk for anyone else so I would just ask that we try and you guys are great you're all smart you're all dedicated and we all voted for you so that's it and thank you thank you to the select board thank you

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71 Middlesex Ave. I am up here to encourage you to please find a solution for the gap in recreation directors.

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As a parent of children who attend Park League,

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I would really hope that you can find a way to ensure that there is a recreation director for the entire time that children's programs are running,

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run by

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very lovely capable responsible teenagers that there is a rec directory in place to ensure that there is coverage for the entire time that you're running those programs so my understanding is there's a week or so gap as a parent who's been trust my children to Barkley which is their absolute favorite

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it's been incredible so far again this year,

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but please, please, please make sure that there is somebody who is overseeing that for the whole time. I've heard that there's like,

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please.

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It's our kids.

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Thank you.

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I'm Jackie Camerlingo,

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one Bellevue Road,

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an interim recreation director.

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I've been the program coordinator for Swampscot Recreation for the last three years.

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I was one of the four candidates interviewed for the recreation director position that became available when Danielle Strauss announced she would be retiring effective July 10th. I was not chosen to be Swampscot's next rec director.

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Now, none of what I have to say is a reflection on how I feel about Charlotte,

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the incoming director.

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She'll do fine.

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I'm not here to be divisive.

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What I have to say isn't going to change the outcome for me,

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nor do I want it to,

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but it can certainly help protect my former colleagues and anyone else who intends to go through the hiring process with the town.

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If the residents of Swampscot don't hear my story,

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we're at risk of putting others through the same tumultuous process that I went through.

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When Danielle announced her retirement a little over two months ago,

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I started seeking answers about the hiring timeline because I knew it would impact the heavily scheduled calendar of events and programs we were running this summer.

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The hiring process that I experienced...

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It was one of complete and utter disrespect,

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littered with discriminatory comments and breaches of confidentiality.

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It made me feel used, unheard,

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and confused.

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For example,

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even though I pushed for a decision to be made sooner prior to the start of our busiest season,

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I was notified that I would not be the next rec director only 24 hours before Danielle's official retirement date.

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I sent an email on June 4th to our interim TA outlining the concerns I had with the hiring process and the breaches of confidentiality that took place.

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I stated in the email that it was a call for action to which no action was subsequently taken.

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Not once did an employee or select board member request a vacancy review for the rec department where we would have discussed an appropriate plan of action so as to not interrupt the flow of programming or planning of events for the community.

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Throughout this process,

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I was asked to weigh in on the qualifications of candidates that had applied for the position who were in direct competition with me.

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I was shown the resumes and applications for multiple candidates who applied in an attempt to discourage me from applying for the rec director role,

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hoping I would accept a lesser role due to having a baby at home.

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When pushed as to why an announcement for the role was taking so long,

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the interim TA told me that it was a hard decision to make because,

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and I quote,

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if I make a decision one way I lose friends and if I make a decision another way I lose friends.

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All the while I was being strung along.

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Given these events it's hard not to draw certain conclusions.

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Is this simply just a situation where we have an interim TA or HR manager who are unfamiliar with hiring protocols?

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Or is this a situation where who you know and what you stand to gain from those relationships matters more?

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My ultimate hope is that by sharing my experience with this ordeal, we can right the wrongs for anyone who may go through the hiring process with the town of Swampscott.

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With the number of vacancies about to open up,

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this is a true concern.

[Speaker 2] (23:49 - 23:51)
Jackie, could you finish up, please?

[Speaker 1] (23:52 - 24:06)
I urge residents to start asking questions of municipal leaders and elected officials in town to better understand the processes that are in place and whether or not they are doing the work that needs to be done to ensure that candidates and employees of the town are treated fairly and respectfully.

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Thank you.

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We have two hands up online,

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so we will take, I believe,

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BD.

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I'm sorry,

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MK is.

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You're

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Hello?

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all set to go.

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Just state your name and your address,

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please,

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and you can begin.

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Hey, sure.

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Yeah, yeah, Mike Keller here at Pine Hill Road. Sorry,

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I'm driving.

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put my camera on but uh i just wanted to make some constructive criticism uh when you got when we when you guys changed the fisherman's beach parking i don't think enough awareness was made to the folks uh i happened to ask a friend to come help me because i initially with my boat and he parked his car there and got sick and he's been a taxpayer for 35 years parking in that lot and i went out early that morning and i didn't notice the new signs either

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lines either uh but somehow luckily i didn't get a ticket uh because i actually haven't got a beach sticker yet this year but he did so i just think they should have been warnings first or when you start to change an area i think there needs to be more outreach if that's happening so that was that's just my constructive criticism in the future because just to go from zero to 75 bucks the first day seems kind of rough for taxpayers to be tough

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And that's it.

[Speaker 3] (25:33 - 25:36)
Thank you all for your time and I appreciate having you.

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Bye.

[Speaker 2] (25:38 - 25:41)
Thank you, Mr. Keller and then mr.

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Is that mr.

[Speaker 2] (25:42 - 25:42)
Demento?

[Speaker 2] (25:46 - 25:47)
Hi Bill

[Speaker 4] (25:48 - 25:49)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (25:50 - 25:53)
Bill Demento, 1008 Paradise Road.

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I cannot, I was not intending to say anything,

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but the earliest speeches go to the process and the lack of transparency in the town,

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and I'd suggest that this select board needs to address the issue of people getting up at public comment and then being absolutely stonewalled.

[Speaker 4] (26:22 - 26:46)
buy the select board these are some serious issues you just build a hundred thousand dollar position a hundred thousand dollars and you have no discussion whatsoever of anything you'll never find out what really is going on unless somewhere or another you find a way to be truthful

[Speaker 4] (26:48 - 27:16)
going to hire a town administrator where the screening committee says that's the most important thing and yet these people are getting up and talking and the five of you and with you know the six of you just sit there and look at them like nothing's happening I really hope you reconsider this blank wall of people asking serious questions and you just sitting there and looking at them

[Speaker 4] (27:17 - 27:18)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (27:19 - 27:20)
Thank you, Mr. DeMento.

[Speaker 6] (27:23 - 27:23)
Madam Chair,

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I would like the opportunity to respond to public comment.

[Speaker 1] (27:27 - 27:29)
We do not respond to public comment.

[Speaker 6] (27:29 - 27:33)
We typically do not respond to public comment, but there are exceptions,

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and I would like the opportunity to speak now.

[Speaker 1] (27:35 - 27:37)
If you would like to speak at your select board time,

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that would be an appropriate time to do that,

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but we all speak at public comment about every.

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I mean you wanna speak about this topic,

[Speaker 6] (27:44 - 27:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (27:44 - 27:50)
but there are other topics that got brought up that people might wanna speak on so I don't think it would be just at this point.

[Speaker 6] (27:51 - 27:53)
I am just I am asking for

[Speaker 2] (27:53 - 27:53)
Great. And I'm answering

[Speaker 6] (27:53 - 27:54)
a little bit of latitude.

[Speaker 2] (27:54 - 27:55)
your request,

[Speaker 6] (27:55 - 27:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (27:55 - 27:57)
and you may speak at select board time.

[Speaker 6] (27:58 - 27:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (27:59 - 27:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (28:02 - 28:03)
Any other public comment?

[Speaker 2] (28:04 - 28:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (28:05 - 28:07)
Are we gonna take comments about uh other priorities?

[Speaker 1] (28:08 - 28:10)
Yes, we will.

[Speaker 1] (28:10 - 28:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (28:12 - 28:12)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (28:16 - 28:19)
The select board does not comment to public comment.

[Speaker 1] (28:19 - 28:24)
So we absolutely can speak on it during our select board time,

[Speaker 1] (28:24 - 28:26)
but unless it's an agenda matter,

[Speaker 1] (28:26 - 28:30)
the select board does not speak on topics not on the agenda until select board time.

[Speaker 1] (28:33 - 28:39)
It's been our policy, we can certainly discuss whether we'd like to change the policy going forward, but

[Speaker 1] (28:40 - 28:41)
that's

[Speaker 6] (28:41 - 28:41)
What our about

[Speaker 1] (28:41 - 28:41)
policy.

[Speaker 6] (28:41 - 28:50)
what about having the town administrator report now and maybe maybe in some way shape or form that might be responsive to some of what has been discussed here

[Speaker 4] (28:50 - 28:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (28:51 - 28:53)
If you want to make a request.

[Speaker 1] (28:53 - 29:00)
I don't have a problem when the town administrator wants to speak. So if he wants to speak now, and the will of the board is that he speak now,

[Speaker 1] (29:00 - 29:02)
he can do so.

[Speaker 8] (29:02 - 29:18)
I just I just wanna go back to my ex excuse me, I just wanna go back to my original request is that we get onto new and old business, that's all, and then we deal with the rest of it at the end of the meeting. We have people here on the U_V_ we've got handbook stuff we've have Pine Street, there's a lot of work to be done here.

[Speaker 1] (29:19 - 29:20)
Okay, so

[Speaker 2] (29:21 - 29:22)
Let me start with this first.

[Speaker 2] (29:22 - 29:24)
Is there anybody else who wants to make public comment?

[Speaker 2] (29:25 - 29:26)
Let me close public comment first.

[Speaker 2] (29:30 - 29:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (29:31 - 29:32)
You got my public comment.

[Speaker 7] (29:32 - 29:33)
So we'll give him another minute.

[Speaker 2] (29:35 - 29:36)
Sh he may ha yes, Mike,

[Speaker 2] (29:37 - 29:42)
if you could s you can have another minute going forward please state, just restate your name and your address please.

[Speaker 4] (29:43 - 29:46)
This is the other Michael Kelleher

[Speaker 2] (29:46 - 29:46)
Oh, I'm

[Speaker 4] (29:46 - 29:46)
at 11

[Speaker 2] (29:46 - 29:46)
sorry.

[Speaker 4] (29:46 - 29:48)
Oak Grove in Scottsdale.

[Speaker 6] (29:49 - 29:49)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (29:49 - 29:49)
So, y

[Speaker 2] (29:49 - 29:49)
Three minutes.

[Speaker 1] (29:49 - 29:50)
I just wanted

[Speaker 2] (29:50 - 29:50)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (29:50 - 29:51)
to,

[Speaker 2] (29:51 - 29:51)
you.

[Speaker 1] (29:51 - 29:59)
I don't need three minutes. I just wanted to support Phil Demento's comment. I listen to a lot of these from afar and this particular.

[Speaker 1] (30:00 - 30:04)
The topic involves our children.

[Speaker 1] (30:04 - 30:07)
I think it involves the process of how we hire internally.

[Speaker 1] (30:08 - 30:12)
It's been some change over in the board over the last five or so years.

[Speaker 1] (30:13 - 30:25)
And I think it's just a good opportunity to respond sometimes and having to listen to opening comments and waiting so long for some of the responses. So just want to echo Bill Demento's comments there.

[Speaker 3] (30:33 - 30:43)
There was a request to move the town administrator's report, which I granted. There's if there's another request, I'll just take a vote of the body then. So if you want to make a motion to move the town administrator's report,

[Speaker 3] (30:43 - 30:47)
I will consider a vote on that motion.

[Speaker 4] (30:47 - 30:52)
Sure, I will make a motion and I'll make a motion to get back to what the agenda was.

[Speaker 4] (30:52 - 30:53)
It's the town administrator's report now.

[Speaker 3] (30:53 - 30:54)
Is there I'll a second?

[Speaker 4] (30:54 - 30:54)
second that.

[Speaker 3] (30:54 - 30:58)
Okay. So all those in favor of moving the town administrator's report back.

[Speaker 3] (30:59 - 31:00)
Above noon all business.

[Speaker 4] (31:01 - 31:01)
I

[Speaker 6] (31:02 - 31:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (31:03 - 31:04)
Opposed?

[Speaker 4] (31:04 - 31:05)
Opposed.

[Speaker 3] (31:06 - 31:06)
Abstaining?

[Speaker 3] (31:07 - 31:08)
Abstaining.

[Speaker 7] (31:08 - 31:08)
I abstain.

[Speaker 3] (31:08 - 31:09)
I don't don't care.

[Speaker 7] (31:09 - 31:11)
This isn't this

[Speaker 7] (31:12 - 31:14)
Excuse me. This is a pet.

[Speaker 3] (31:17 - 31:18)
Okay, so

[Speaker 3] (31:20 - 31:22)
does a 2-1 to vote

[Speaker 3] (31:23 - 31:24)
go forward then?

[Speaker 7] (31:26 - 31:27)
I abstained.

[Speaker 4] (31:28 - 31:28)
I you abstain, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (31:28 - 31:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (31:28 - 31:41)
Then I guess we do the town administrators report. And and Daniel I mean I appreciate it it looks and feels that way, but um I do think this is an opportunity for Gino to be able to share what's going on. So

[Speaker 7] (31:41 - 31:41)
Isn't

[Speaker 4] (31:41 - 31:42)
I'm not

[Speaker 7] (31:42 - 31:44)
that the same opportunity later though for some of

[Speaker 8] (31:44 - 31:44)
me? No.

[Speaker 7] (31:44 - 31:45)
This is just for

[Speaker 4] (31:45 - 31:48)
I know, what Dewitt was just mentioned, I mean

[Speaker 7] (31:48 - 31:48)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (31:48 - 31:51)
you know I know there are people here for other topics, I totally get that for

[Speaker 7] (31:51 - 31:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (31:51 - 32:01)
sure, and there are people here for these topics too and and so I mean it's kind of a toin uh coin flip you know in that regard so it just feels like just let's stick with, you know, what we were gonna do and

[Speaker 3] (32:05 - 32:06)
Go ahead, Jim.

[Speaker 4] (32:06 - 32:13)
Okay. So, the select board, I am pleased to offer the following report on programmes and initiatives that are ongoing in the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 4] (32:16 - 32:17)
Yay. We'll start with a

[Speaker 4] (32:19 - 32:35)
I guess he just walked out, but uh there was a request last select board meeting to install a bike rack over at Abbott Park. And that was taken care of the following day. It's kind of a lucky thing that we just happen to have one in stock, so it was an easy one to take care of. I was gonna address F_E_ Probe it.

[Speaker 4] (32:36 - 32:46)
She wearing their gold award by re-imaging Muskrat Pond, but I think enough of that was said. The only part that wasn't added is that there's going to be a dedication on Saturday,

[Speaker 4] (32:46 - 32:50)
August 2nd at 10 o'clock at the middle school parking lot.

[Speaker 4] (32:53 - 33:03)
Staff are working hard planning for the third annual Humphrey Street Block Party scheduled for August 9th, noon to four. Street closes and a list of vendors and other pertinent information will be released soon.

[Speaker 4] (33:04 - 33:30)
The Tighe Search Committee is seeking this week, is meeting this week in executive session at the Swampscott Elementary School. They will interview nine potential candidates, which I am not one of. We gotta just let everybody know that, because I know there's a lot of concern that might not be doing a good job. The committee will forward up to five candidates to the select board. The select board has thirty days from the date of the names are presented to make an offer to a candidate.

[Speaker 4] (33:31 - 33:32)
Community Development.

[Speaker 4] (33:33 - 33:58)
Pine Street. A project eligibility letter from the Mass Executive Office of Housing and Livable Communities confirms that the proposed project meets the eligibility criteria of EOHLCH funding programs including the Affordable Housing Trust Fund and Housing Stabilization Fund. This letter is a prerequisite for applying for funding and submitting a comprehensive permit to the Swampscott ZBA.

[Speaker 4] (34:00 - 34:00)
Library.

[Speaker 4] (34:01 - 34:03)
The new English Learning Language Lounge.

[Speaker 4] (34:04 - 34:13)
The conversation circle begins on Monday, August 4th at 6:30 p.m. Twenty-plus individuals have already pre-registered for the program.

[Speaker 4] (34:14 - 34:15)
They may need to add another date.

[Speaker 4] (34:16 - 34:20)
The summer reading program continues to be widely popular.

[Speaker 4] (34:20 - 34:23)
There has been a record-breaking attendance at several events.

[Speaker 4] (34:24 - 34:30)
Senior Center. Over 50 people attended the Boston by Ferry event last week. It's another overwhelming success.

[Speaker 4] (34:31 - 34:36)
Heidi and Sabrina are working on a grant program to continue the open minds through art program.

[Speaker 4] (34:37 - 34:47)
Senior Center is working with the fire department to educate seniors on smoke detectors as well as assisting them on getting their smoke detectors tested.

[Speaker 4] (34:48 - 34:56)
An educational lunch and learn program on real estate tax exemption and tax deferral program is scheduled for August 20th at the Senior Center.

[Speaker 4] (34:57 - 35:02)
Recreation Wednesday's Swamp Scout by the Sea concert will feature B-Side Hustle.

[Speaker 4] (35:02 - 35:06)
Coastal Brewery, the Hungry Nomad, and Isabella's Ice Cream will be on site.

[Speaker 4] (35:07 - 35:11)
Next Wednesday's concert on July 30th will feature Moose Juice,

[Speaker 4] (35:12 - 35:13)
a Grateful Dead tribute band.

[Speaker 4] (35:15 - 35:19)
Granite Crow's Brewery, Chicken and the Pig, and Uncle Joey's Cannoli will be on hand.

[Speaker 4] (35:20 - 35:21)
Concerts start at 6 p.m.

[Speaker 4] (35:22 - 35:32)
This week's Thursday movie night on Town Hall Lawn will feature Grease. Come and enjoy this classic movie brought to you by Sam Walker's American Tavern.

[Speaker 4] (35:33 - 35:35)
Police, we have some hiring updates.

[Speaker 4] (35:35 - 35:40)
One officer has resigned, unfortunately, and is transferred over to Linfield PD.

[Speaker 4] (35:41 - 35:47)
She will be missed. On the positive side, a conditional offer has been sent to a lateral transfer.

[Speaker 4] (35:48 - 36:09)
Hoping to receive that response within the next couple of days. A second potential lateral transfer will be interviewing with that interim T_A_ Mei, within the next couple of weeks. A third potential candidate is currently undergoing a background check. If all three of these come through will be one police officer shy of having a full staff.

[Speaker 4] (36:10 - 36:20)
Additionally, there are twenty five to thirty applicants that have been applied for the Swampscott Police Department's physical fitness tests. The test dates are Wednesday July twenty third and Sunday August tenth.

[Speaker 4] (36:22 - 36:34)
Finally, Officer Kevin Reen and S.R.O. Brian Wilson conducted a bicycle safety day. Helmets were donated by the police department and six bicycles were donated by Charlie Patsios.

[Speaker 4] (36:36 - 36:39)
Alright, circling back to some traffic updates.

[Speaker 4] (36:39 - 36:57)
Elm Place is now resident parking only and is a one-way from the southbound side to the northbound side. Southbound being the west property side. It's a one-way. Pittman Road is now resident parking only outside of the designated parking spots for the Westcott.

[Speaker 4] (36:59 - 37:02)
Westcott parking spots are marked mine and signage has been installed.

[Speaker 4] (37:03 - 37:04)
Hillcrest Circle,

[Speaker 4] (37:04 - 37:05)
Upland Road,

[Speaker 4] (37:05 - 37:05)
Maple Ave,

[Speaker 4] (37:05 - 37:09)
Burpee Terrace and Burpee Road are now resident park and only.

[Speaker 4] (37:09 - 37:23)
Signs had been or will be installed on all of those aforementioned streets. As most of you know, a speed bump was recently installed on Burpee Road and has resulted in positive feedback unlike the Statin Road speed bumps.

[Speaker 4] (37:25 - 37:30)
Columbia Street is resident park and only on the residential side from Burrow Street down to Beach Ave.

[Speaker 4] (37:31 - 37:36)
No parking here to corner sides have been installed on Essex Ave for safety reasons.

[Speaker 4] (37:38 - 37:45)
A handicapped parking spot has been added to Beryl near the entrance to Daugherty Circle and a handicapped parking spot was added in front of the library.

[Speaker 4] (37:46 - 37:48)
At the intersection of Middlesex and Norfolk Ave,

[Speaker 4] (37:49 - 37:53)
eight no parking here to corner sides were recently installed, I believe yesterday,

[Speaker 4] (37:53 - 37:58)
and they've been installed 15 feet from each intersection per the police.

[Speaker 4] (37:59 - 38:26)
And finally, uh something that was addressed a little earlier, recreation park and only signs were installed at the fishermen's beach parking lot. Unfortunately, parking passes for S_Y_C_ employees were belatedly delivered. The swabs got rec uh yacht club resulted in parking tickets being issued prematurely. Those tickets will obviously be rescinded. So I wanna mention that. And then finally,

[Speaker 4] (38:26 - 38:27)
A trash update.

[Speaker 4] (38:29 - 38:56)
Taking up a lot of my time but trash it's been going well I think we're one of the fortunate communities right now because our trash is being picked up and all five trash routes were completed last week in a timely fashion. Obviously one of the downsides of that is we did not have recycling pick up. The reason I decided to do that was typically we have two trucks come into town each week, one for recycling one for trash. The new drivers don't know the routes,

[Speaker 4] (38:56 - 38:58)
they're being hindered leaving the transfer

[Speaker 4] (38:58 - 39:24)
the transfer station each day. So the two trucks, the one that was committed to recycling is helping out with the trash, that's the only way we could get the town completed. As most of it is a well aware, the D_P_W_ yard is open for recycling pickup Friday three to seven, Saturday ten to four, Sunday ten to four as well. That's been received very well. One of the issues going on down there is residents are bringing their trash.

[Speaker 4] (39:25 - 39:44)
We're gonna ask residents not to beat bring their trash to the DPW yard this weekend only because it's being picked up anyways, and unfortunately it's one of those situations where a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch. People are taking advantage of it and bringing cleaning out their basements, garages and whatever. But other than that it's been working well as I said received

[Speaker 1] (39:48 - 39:58)
unbelievably nice bringing the staff water, buying cold-cut platters, pizzas. As I said it's been received very well and makes me happy to be a resident of Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (40:00 - 40:04)
So the main the one other thing I need to add is there's no metal pick-up

[Speaker 1] (40:04 - 40:15)
A drop-off at the DPW yard this Saturday. Because if you've been down there the last weekend, it's a circus down there, and there's no way we can collect metal. So we're going to delay that a month.

[Speaker 1] (40:15 - 40:20)
And the other unfortunate thing is right now no yard waste pickup this week.

[Speaker 1] (40:21 - 40:29)
If everything goes well and people just drop off recycling this weekend, I would hope to open it up to yard waste next weekend with recycling.

[Speaker 1] (40:31 - 40:32)
That's my report.

[Speaker 1] (40:34 - 40:34)
Mm-m.

[Speaker 2] (40:35 - 40:37)
You can sign up to download the pages.

[Speaker 2] (40:38 - 40:44)
I can't encourage you enough to stretch for us the North American.

[Speaker 3] (40:46 - 40:46)
Maybe.

[Speaker 2] (40:47 - 40:48)
Well, the North American.

[Speaker 1] (40:48 - 40:55)
And I know there have been a few issues with traffic, kind of lost track of it on Friday. I didn't have a police detail out there.

[Speaker 1] (40:56 - 41:16)
Police did show up to assist me with traffic Saturday and Sunday. We had a police detail coming in. So what we're asking residents to do is if you're coming in through the T.P.W. yard, we want you to come down from the Marblehead side, so I guess you'd be heading southbound Yeah. and turn into the yard that way. What happened this weekend, they were caught,

[Speaker 1] (41:16 - 41:22)
from Friday, cars were lining up on the center line of Paradise Road and cars were passing on both sides.

[Speaker 1] (41:22 - 41:26)
Thank you for the police for getting an officer down there as quickly as they could.

[Speaker 4] (41:29 - 41:30)
Um I just have

[Speaker 4] (41:31 - 41:35)
a couple of things about the the metal recycling, will there be uh uh

[Speaker 4] (41:35 - 41:40)
alert that goes out to remind people not to show up with metal for metal recycling.

[Speaker 2] (41:40 - 41:41)
Was that one already read?

[Speaker 4] (41:41 - 41:42)
Oh we did?

[Speaker 2] (41:42 - 41:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (41:42 - 41:42)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (41:42 - 41:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (41:42 - 41:44)
great, I'm sure I got that.

[Speaker 6] (41:44 - 41:44)
You did.

[Speaker 2] (41:44 - 41:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (41:44 - 41:46)
Um, that's okay.

[Speaker 6] (41:46 - 41:46)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (41:46 - 41:46)
And

[Speaker 6] (41:46 - 41:46)
but uh

[Speaker 4] (41:46 - 41:48)
then for the traffic updates too,

[Speaker 4] (41:49 - 41:53)
I know we we sent one out related to the Fisherman's Beach parking lot,

[Speaker 4] (41:53 - 42:04)
but some of these I think a lot of these neighbourhoods were engaged in the conversation so we there might be less um shock that some of these are happening, but if you're not a resident on these.

[Speaker 4] (42:04 - 42:11)
in these neighbourhoods, you might not know that this conversation has been ongoing. So maybe we send sort of a traffic alert update or something.

[Speaker 4] (42:13 - 42:13)
Go ahead David.

[Speaker 7] (42:13 - 42:17)
Just about just about trash. Um I got a few things, but uh trash.

[Speaker 7] (42:18 - 42:24)
So right now we're not getting recycling pick-up. That's part of that line item is part of our is part of our contract.

[Speaker 1] (42:24 - 42:24)
Corr

[Speaker 7] (42:24 - 42:32)
So technically Republic is in default of their agreement with the town of Swampscott. What actions are we taking, if any, to

[Speaker 7] (42:31 - 42:48)
to address this. This has been a a a major uh point of concern for a number of residents. People wanna recycle. We've had town events um you know where there you know where historically we have been recycling um but we were unable to do so. So I know

[Speaker 7] (42:48 - 43:06)
I know that has been a question that's been asked of me, and I just think that we have an opportunity to answer to answer that publicly, get that information out there as to what we're gonna do, what we're looking at if if we're evaluating potentially, you know, wha just can you give us a little bit more detail Gino and then I have some additional things.

[Speaker 1] (43:07 - 43:13)
Yeah, as far as the recycling goes is leverage obviously we're not we're not paying them for July 'cause we haven't gotten any services from them.

[Speaker 1] (43:13 - 43:16)
I also had Tran not pay them the June bill.

[Speaker 1] (43:17 - 43:21)
So we only have some leverage because, as you said, they're not providing a service.

[Speaker 1] (43:22 - 43:30)
We are, and they're also gonna end up paying for all the T_P_W_ over time. We've been hauling the trash away. I was asked by

[Speaker 1] (43:32 - 43:46)
other town managers, administrators and mayors, I meet with them regularly. It's fourteen communities. I didn't sign up on the lawsuit because I believe I've had very good communication. We're a republic. They've helped us well with the dumpsters.

[Speaker 8] (43:46 - 43:46)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (43:47 - 43:58)
Maybe they should be settled and I don't want to get into the issues of why it's not, but they have been rep very receptive to us both providing us the dumpsters and we're going to reconcile with them at the end.

[Speaker 7] (43:58 - 43:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (43:58 - 44:07)
Then does this weigh in on the trash contract expires on June 30th, 2026, do we hold them against going on strike?

[Speaker 9] (44:08 - 44:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (44:09 - 44:16)
So on that, sorry, on that note, you're keeping somebody's keeping track of all the DPW workers, the police details, every incurred cost

[Speaker 9] (44:16 - 44:16)
All of

[Speaker 4] (44:16 - 44:16)
that

[Speaker 9] (44:16 - 44:17)
the we've expenses.

[Speaker 4] (44:17 - 44:17)
been had.

[Speaker 1] (44:17 - 44:17)
All of

[Speaker 4] (44:17 - 44:17)
So

[Speaker 1] (44:17 - 44:18)
the

[Speaker 4] (44:18 - 44:18)
expense we

[Speaker 1] (44:18 - 44:19)
it is, exactly, everything

[Speaker 4] (44:19 - 44:19)
we should be

[Speaker 1] (44:19 - 44:20)
I'm I'm tracking everything.

[Speaker 4] (44:20 - 44:20)
yeah.

[Speaker 9] (44:21 - 44:21)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 9] (44:22 - 44:24)
Can can we well can we stay on that topic?

[Speaker 7] (44:24 - 44:24)
Yeah, go ahead.

[Speaker 9] (44:24 - 44:25)
Is that

[Speaker 4] (44:25 - 44:25)
Yeah, please.

[Speaker 9] (44:25 - 44:26)
Yeah. Um

[Speaker 9] (44:28 - 44:30)
if we don't join the lawsuit

[Speaker 9] (44:31 - 44:35)
Um do we lose any leverage though in terms of recouping these costs?

[Speaker 1] (44:35 - 44:42)
I don't think so. I talked to Tom McEnany about it, and he represents other communities that didn't sign up for the lawsuit.

[Speaker 1] (44:42 - 44:45)
I think the majority of them that signed up were all cities that had mayors.

[Speaker 1] (44:48 - 44:51)
And it had something to do with maybe them all wanting to be reelected.

[Speaker 10] (44:51 - 44:53)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (44:54 - 44:54)
Um

[Speaker 10] (44:54 - 44:57)
There's a number of a number of them have just

[Speaker 10] (44:57 - 45:14)
They have new contracts. We're at the end of our contract. We are in a very very favourable contract. So if we go to get out of that contract, Republic is gonna be extremely happy that we were to get out. So it's it's a you know it's a pretty touchy thing for us.

[Speaker 1] (45:15 - 45:18)
They're talking about the rates we pay to get rid of our recyclable trash.

[Speaker 1] (45:18 - 45:20)
We have a very favourable contract right now.

[Speaker 7] (45:24 - 45:24)
I had I had

[Speaker 9] (45:24 - 45:24)
I'm

[Speaker 7] (45:24 - 45:24)
some additional

[Speaker 9] (45:24 - 45:26)
not sure we want to say that publicly.

[Speaker 10] (45:26 - 45:26)
It

[Speaker 4] (45:26 - 45:28)
Well, it's public anyway,

[Speaker 10] (45:28 - 45:28)
It's a public

[Speaker 4] (45:28 - 45:28)
public contract

[Speaker 7] (45:28 - 45:28)
concept, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (45:28 - 45:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (45:28 - 45:28)
is

[Speaker 10] (45:28 - 45:29)
it's a public

[Speaker 4] (45:29 - 45:29)
public,

[Speaker 9] (45:29 - 45:29)
It's

[Speaker 10] (45:29 - 45:29)
contract.

[Speaker 4] (45:29 - 45:29)
it's public.

[Speaker 9] (45:29 - 45:29)
a public public section in its thing.

[Speaker 4] (45:29 - 45:32)
Before did anybody have anything else related

[Speaker 7] (45:32 - 45:34)
Yeah, I d I d no, not no, not try.

[Speaker 4] (45:34 - 45:34)
okay.

[Speaker 10] (45:35 - 45:35)
Uh

[Speaker 9] (45:35 - 45:57)
I I just wanna say like really thank you. I mean, j it you know it's been a very fluid situation and your responsiveness and everyone's responsiveness about it has been, I think in the in the context of adjusting uh pretty pretty darn good. Uh and what's happened at DPIBU and what you're doing on the weekends and all of that stuff, I think we are fortunate to be in the position we're in. So that's

[Speaker 5] (45:57 - 45:58)
good.

[Speaker 2] (45:58 - 45:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (45:59 - 45:59)
As a point

[Speaker 9] (45:59 - 45:59)
Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (45:59 - 46:02)
to that point too, I do wanna acknowledge um

[Speaker 10] (46:03 - 46:20)
Thank you and thank you to the DPW but thank you to Diane also because she has been really diligent in terms of getting the word out, sending out the emails, sending out information and that's been critical that we communicate and thank you to Solid Waste. Wayne Spritz has also been very helpful and actively involved in the process.

[Speaker 10] (46:20 - 46:22)
And I think that a lot of people

[Speaker 10] (46:23 - 46:43)
or under the misconception because you know it's not discussed ad nauseum that we're not thinking about it, we're not doing things about it, we're not working behind the scenes. It is a very fluid situation and I really you know commend the way that you've addressed it and really your guys, everybody has been nothing but respectful and helpful and you know I appreciate all of it.

[Speaker 1] (46:43 - 46:45)
Just to put it in con context.

[Speaker 1] (46:45 - 46:47)
So we've done it for three weekends.

[Speaker 1] (46:47 - 46:59)
The first weekend we filled up three dumpsters and it was just strictly recycling. The next one when we decided to take both, we filled up nine forty yard dumpsters, a DPW ten wheeler and three six wheelers. This

[Speaker 10] (46:59 - 46:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (46:59 - 47:03)
past weekend we filled up thirteen forty yard dumpsters.

[Speaker 10] (47:03 - 47:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (47:03 - 47:12)
And I gotta thank the trash companies that I'm calling at Saturday night asking them to come in on a Sunday morning to empty three because I know we're overloaded.

[Speaker 10] (47:13 - 47:13)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (47:13 - 47:17)
Right. The press yell, I gotta give him kudos to him.

[Speaker 10] (47:17 - 47:32)
I mean and we reached out to Salem, to Marblehead. I personally reached out to Lynn to get us the ability to dump at the transfer station. So it's not like we've, you know, all just kind of sat on our hands with this thing and and you know, Mary Ellen and I were on calls with with you know,

[Speaker 10] (47:32 - 47:42)
solid waste trying to find ways and people and connections to to make there an to have there be an option for people in town to do something other than just sit there on a holiday weekend and

[Speaker 10] (47:42 - 47:46)
and store your trash in your garage or whatever. So um so thank you.

[Speaker 10] (47:47 - 47:59)
The other update is Diane Diane is posting every time there's an update, Diane is posting on the town website. So I tell people all the time, if you have a question, just go to the town website and just click, and you'll have the latest information.

[Speaker 10] (47:59 - 48:01)
Yep. So it's it's right there.

[Speaker 10] (48:03 - 48:03)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (48:03 - 48:03)
Presently

[Speaker 10] (48:03 - 48:03)
you.

[Speaker 1] (48:03 - 48:07)
the message board is right outside the D_P_W_ yard flashing right now.

[Speaker 10] (48:07 - 48:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (48:08 - 48:10)
Recycling only. No metal drop off.

[Speaker 1] (48:11 - 48:14)
No yard waste pickup, so it's a to be determined.

[Speaker 1] (48:15 - 48:16)
I'm hoping we can resolve that

[Speaker 7] (48:16 - 48:16)
And

[Speaker 1] (48:16 - 48:16)
next week.

[Speaker 7] (48:16 - 48:33)
then we can we can do a robo call and follow up with with that just to notify I just think more communication on something like this with basic with a basic city service and this and this disruption and confusion I think over communicating is certainly important so thank you Gina and thank you to the DPW.

[Speaker 7] (48:34 - 48:36)
I did have traffic questions.

[Speaker 7] (48:37 - 48:43)
Um so i are we gonna get an update? I I know there was a, you know, I know there was a.

[Speaker 7] (48:45 - 48:51)
There were certainly some some issues some concerns uh from from a resident of Stetson Ave just

[Speaker 1] (48:51 - 48:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (48:51 - 48:57)
about speed. I know the uh the speed bump that was put placed on Burpee Road has slowed things down considerably.

[Speaker 1] (48:58 - 48:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (48:58 - 49:00)
I know I'm going well under twenty.

[Speaker 7] (49:01 - 49:13)
Uh when I when I come to that, I look at the I look at the board and you know, usually it's about eighteen. I know we had talked about a twenty four mile mile per hour uh average. I would like to get an update as to as to how that's impacted speed.

[Speaker 7] (49:13 - 49:17)
read um you know maybe that's maybe that's just a quick memo from uh from officer

[Speaker 9] (49:17 - 49:17)
You

[Speaker 7] (49:17 - 49:17)
Reed

[Speaker 9] (49:17 - 49:18)
can barely

[Speaker 7] (49:18 - 49:19)
uh he did a good job last time.

[Speaker 1] (49:19 - 49:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (49:19 - 49:39)
Uh couple so I'm just concerned that there are continued speeding issues on Stetson. You had made a mention of uh of the fact that there were some complaints. Um people can complain, but uh they're complaining about safety. And I I I put safety paramount over someone's you know being inconvenienced by

[Speaker 2] (49:44 - 49:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (49:45 - 50:00)
just I think it's incredibly I think it's incredibly important so I want to make sure that we're that we're addressing public safety and one of the one of the issues that I also noticed is that slip lane at Monument Ave and Burl

[Speaker 1] (50:01 - 50:03)
with that crosswalk. So

[Speaker 3] (50:03 - 50:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (50:03 - 50:09)
previously we had we had some type of barrier that really kept the pedestrians safe.

[Speaker 1] (50:09 - 50:12)
There's tons of people that are crossing during the afternoon,

[Speaker 1] (50:12 - 50:14)
the evenings, the mornings, on the weekends,

[Speaker 1] (50:14 - 50:19)
and I just think that's a that's a really dangerous crossing right there.

[Speaker 1] (50:19 - 50:27)
Just sometimes the way the the Sun is hitting is hitting the windshields you can't see clearly or properly it's a long cross.

[Speaker 1] (50:27 - 50:37)
So I just want to make sure that the police and our public safety officials are doing everything that they can to keep residents and visitors to Swampscott safe.

[Speaker 4] (50:37 - 50:42)
Right. So currently we have the delineation mark is there, but if it were wanted, I can put the Jersey barriers up.

[Speaker 1] (50:42 - 50:49)
Yeah, we had Jersey barriers last time. I thought that worked well so you did not have so you had people that were lined up and they were not, you know, slipping into that.

[Speaker 1] (50:51 - 50:58)
onto the side. So I would like the thoughts of you know of our traffic safety officials.

[Speaker 4] (50:58 - 51:09)
I think Marcy we've talked about that we're going to try to look into a grant because what I'd like to do is just bump out the curb and so it's permanent similar to what we've done and so maybe we can chase something like that.

[Speaker 1] (51:10 - 51:17)
Fantastic. I just want to make sure that it's safe for residents and visitors you know this summer and this fall and as soon as possible.

[Speaker 4] (51:18 - 51:20)
I can get the Jersey barriers out there this week.

[Speaker 6] (51:20 - 51:26)
I just uh will say in regards to Steptoe, we've had conflicting neighbourhood

[Speaker 7] (51:26 - 51:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (51:26 - 51:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (51:26 - 51:27)
requests Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (51:27 - 51:37)
that maybe a a community meeting is in order, like we had four residents related to the Westcott and then there was direction because we had the voice of the community

[Speaker 4] (51:37 - 51:37)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (51:37 - 51:42)
heard at that meeting. And so maybe instead of wavering back and forth, we can just

[Speaker 6] (51:42 - 51:51)
No one's been and I'll ask them to come to a meeting to have a conversation rather than assuming we know what they want, or why they want it or how they want it.

[Speaker 1] (51:55 - 52:02)
Oh, and and Gino, one other thing. There were there were some questions uh that I had about public ways and private ways.

[Speaker 4] (52:02 - 52:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (52:02 - 52:03)
Have have we

[Speaker 1] (52:04 - 52:10)
I know we've I know every so often in you know in town meeting we accept private ways and they become public ways.

[Speaker 4] (52:10 - 52:10)
That's right.

[Speaker 1] (52:10 - 52:24)
Can you give us an update on what roads are in town are still are still private ways and which and if any and and which roads that we may have accepted it was is there some kind of process or procedure that has to happen post town meeting?

[Speaker 4] (52:25 - 52:32)
Not well post I think it was in 1995 and 96 we accepted a list of roadways which I can email you tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (52:33 - 52:33)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (52:33 - 52:35)
And the reason we did that was for chapter 90 funding.

[Speaker 1] (52:35 - 52:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (52:36 - 52:38)
The more roadway the more y the miles.

[Speaker 4] (52:38 - 52:47)
But then there was a couple of them like that I could think about the top of my head. Walnut Road from number forty five to sixty is unaccepted. Galoops Point from the pillars down

[Speaker 1] (52:47 - 52:48)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (52:48 - 52:49)
unaccepted roadway.

[Speaker 1] (52:50 - 52:51)
But I know we had accepted, I

[Speaker 6] (52:51 - 52:51)
We

[Speaker 1] (52:51 - 52:51)
think,

[Speaker 6] (52:51 - 52:51)
accept

[Speaker 1] (52:51 - 52:52)
Supreme

[Speaker 6] (52:52 - 52:52)
Supreme Court.

[Speaker 1] (52:52 - 52:53)
Supreme Court.

[Speaker 4] (52:53 - 52:54)
Oh yes,

[Speaker 6] (52:54 - 52:54)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (52:54 - 52:54)
yeah,

[Speaker 6] (52:54 - 52:54)
it's

[Speaker 4] (52:54 - 52:54)
recently

[Speaker 6] (52:54 - 52:54)
in we the data.

[Speaker 4] (52:54 - 52:54)
did that.

[Speaker 1] (52:54 - 52:57)
Yeah, but I I just I just want to make sure that we're following that

[Speaker 4] (52:57 - 52:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (52:57 - 53:02)
that we're following that process so once town once town meeting approved that that

[Speaker 4] (53:02 - 53:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (53:02 - 53:08)
we're able that we're dotting our I's and crossing our T's to making sure that we're qualifying for that chapter 90 funding.

[Speaker 1] (53:10 - 53:10)
That's all.

[Speaker 4] (53:11 - 53:16)
Fair point again. I'll work on that because I know the select one. I'm not sure if town meeting ever voted to accept Supreme Court.

[Speaker 8] (53:17 - 53:18)
No, so like Or did

[Speaker 4] (53:18 - 53:19)
So like we did.

[Speaker 8] (53:19 - 53:20)
yeah, only the circuit board had to.

[Speaker 4] (53:20 - 53:20)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (53:21 - 53:22)
Okay, we do need

[Speaker 4] (53:22 - 53:22)
it was

[Speaker 6] (53:22 - 53:22)
to get

[Speaker 4] (53:22 - 53:25)
based on them doing all those improvements. I made them pave the roadway.

[Speaker 1] (53:25 - 53:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (53:25 - 53:27)
It cost them significant money.

[Speaker 1] (53:27 - 53:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (53:27 - 53:35)
Yeah, we do need to get to the root of the of the old and new business here, so if there are not any further comments we will move on.

[Speaker 8] (53:36 - 53:48)
Hold on, I just do I do have two questions is um one is I want to echo your Stetson Ave because um I received an email on that again today and we've got to get back to that.

[Speaker 8] (53:48 - 53:53)
that um and the other thing I s on the hiring process on the laterals,

[Speaker 4] (53:53 - 53:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (53:54 - 54:06)
well one concern that I have is that if it's going to take a few weeks to get interviews I think we're gonna lose out on some of these laterals. If we could possibly escalate that or even

[Speaker 4] (54:06 - 54:09)
Well, one of them I interviewed and I know he's coming over.

[Speaker 8] (54:09 - 54:12)
Okay um and then any others that you have on that?

[Speaker 4] (54:12 - 54:13)
And then the second lateral.

[Speaker 4] (54:14 - 54:16)
Reuben's interviewed him, and this of moving him on to make.

[Speaker 8] (54:17 - 54:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (54:18 - 54:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (54:18 - 54:19)
So you're gonna talk to him in the morning?

[Speaker 4] (54:21 - 54:21)
This week, sure.

[Speaker 8] (54:22 - 54:24)
That'd be great. Alright, that's it for me.

[Speaker 9] (54:25 - 54:28)
I'd like to ask him for one clear explanation of something quickly.

[Speaker 4] (54:28 - 54:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (54:28 - 54:28)
Wait.

[Speaker 9] (54:28 - 54:31)
Uh Gino, on on the rec director,

[Speaker 4] (54:31 - 54:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (54:31 - 54:34)
not not everything about it, but just in terms of

[Speaker 9] (54:35 - 54:44)
Can you assure the public that we have the requisite coverage over the next several weeks to ensure that the programs happen and happen safely?

[Speaker 4] (54:45 - 54:46)
I will promise you we'll have that.

[Speaker 6] (54:49 - 54:50)
Thank you, Doug.

[Speaker 6] (54:50 - 54:54)
Alright, moving on to new and old busin Danielle you didn't have anything? Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (54:54 - 54:55)
I don't have anything. No?

[Speaker 6] (54:56 - 55:01)
Uh to the the first item is the U_V_ pilot update and discussion.

[Speaker 6] (55:04 - 55:07)
Sorry, say again? Oh, a mic.

[Speaker 6] (55:08 - 55:10)
That's why I didn't hear you, 'cause you don't have one.

[Speaker 10] (55:19 - 55:34)
by Gino to come and help give an update on the U_V_ pilot. Um we're a little more than halfway through the pilot period, which was Memorial Day to Labour Day weekend. Um we have uh no

[Speaker 10] (55:34 - 55:38)
No firm conclusions, but we've lots of observations and learnings.

[Speaker 10] (55:39 - 55:47)
We've faced a lot of operational issues, which you've probably heard at least reduced to the term seaweed,

[Speaker 10] (55:47 - 55:50)
but we have had some others as well.

[Speaker 10] (55:51 - 56:01)
But we also have been working very hard to gather as much data as we can. We have a team of samplers.

[Speaker 10] (56:02 - 56:23)
Led by a supervisor who are testing seven days a week. So we are out there testing five different locations including the Linden Swampscot Culvert when there is flow going through the pipe from the from the culvert through the pumps through the pipe to the UV.

[Speaker 10] (56:24 - 56:49)
Um we test the in fluent tank of the UV system and the affluent tank of the UV system and we are testing Swamp Scot uh section of King's Beach daily because that is only tested weekly by the town per DPH requirements and we wanted to see what happens on a daily basis because DCR is testing the LIN portion of King's on a daily basis uh we're seeing a lot of correlation between

[Speaker 10] (56:50 - 57:10)
Um the test results that we're getting and kind of what our expectations were and also between the results that we're getting and what D_C_R_ is getting in the water. Uh D_C_R_ is also testing um for the duration when we are running they are testing the Swan Scott outfall down at the water.

[Speaker 10] (57:10 - 57:21)
down at the beach level because when everything is working properly there shouldn't be any flow coming out of the lint side because we're trapping all of that and shipping it through there is flow if you go down there you'll see flow

[Speaker 10] (57:23 - 57:50)
A lot of that is being driven by the sand that gets pushed up into the culvert and then uh forms a pool on the down stream side of the weir walls that we've built in. So I know I'm kind of throwing a lot of terms at information, I just want to give you kind of a general outline of where we are and let you ask questions. Um we have seen uh uh you know things that we expected such as when it rains, which fortunately it hasn't rained that much this season, we

[Speaker 10] (57:50 - 58:11)
We've been fortunate, but when it does rain, a lot of junk comes down the stormwater drains and either it gets trapped by the screens that we've put in to block the seaweed from coming up, then the junk that's coming down gets stopped, or some of it goes through the system when we find.

[Speaker 10] (58:11 - 58:29)
plastic bags, cigarettes, um plastic bottles in the U_V_ tanks. And none of that is helpful and I actually think that the our strike right now is not helping because there's more recyclables just sitting out on the street for people who aren't bringing it to G_P_W_ yard.

[Speaker 10] (58:29 - 58:31)
So I think we're seeing more as a result,

[Speaker 10] (58:32 - 58:38)
just a fact of life. Um but when that rain forces everything out of those pipes

[Speaker 10] (58:39 - 59:08)
Uh we find that the tanks get very dark, they get very smelly, um the what we call turbidity, the the jump that's in the water goes up and the Q_V_T_ which is a measure of how well the UV light penetrates um goes down. So they're inversely related and you will see from the spreadsheet or from the charts the graphs that Matt has put up on the UV pilot site that's hosted by

[Speaker 10] (59:08 - 59:21)
the city of Lynn. Uh you can see that in in our test results. You can see that if there's if there's been rain, then uh the effectiveness goes down for a little while and then it picks right back up very quickly.

[Speaker 10] (59:21 - 59:22)
So um

[Speaker 10] (59:24 - 59:34)
we're very encouraged by what we're seeing. It's been a lot of work. There's been a lot of, Juno can attest I'm sure, a lot of operational challenges. We had seaweed issues, we've had algae issues, we've had the

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:35)
we've had the trash issues,

[Speaker 1] (59:35 - 59:44)
we've had generator issues in terms of just things going down and having to call someone in to come and fix it,

[Speaker 1] (59:44 - 59:49)
regular maintenance of the tank,

[Speaker 1] (59:49 - 59:50)
the pumps,

[Speaker 1] (59:50 - 59:53)
the hoses leading to the pumps,

[Speaker 1] (59:53 - 59:54)
the pipes going from the

[Speaker 1] (59:54 - 59:59)
pumps to the UV and the screens that we've put in to trap anything coming up and down.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:00 - 1:00:03)
So we're halfway through.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:03 - 1:00:07)
We've had about 70% of the days have been operational.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:08 - 1:00:22)
So out of, since we started on June 2nd, we had a little bit of downtime in the beginning. We had a little bit of downtime last week. We were down last weekend because of all the debris that came down from the two heavy days of rain on the 7th and 8th of this month.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:23 - 1:00:36)
Um we got some backups in the swamps gut system so we needed to shut everything down and let that flush out these are things that you know are part of a pilot it's part of basically an experiment to see

[Speaker 1] (1:00:37 - 1:00:43)
We know UV can kill bacteria but we don't know how it will perform in this environment,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:44 - 1:00:47)
a tidal environment and the people that make the UV system,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:48 - 1:00:50)
it's a company called Trojan out of Canada,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:50 - 1:01:04)
when the tech was here setting things up he said you know we're really excited about this because we've never put a system in a tidal location like this we don't know how it's going to respond to the seaweed and the algae and the other things that you're going to come.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:05 - 1:01:11)
up with to challenge to challenge us. So um that's kind of where we are.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:18)
Thank you, Liz. Um board questions? Comments? Concerns?

[Speaker 3] (1:01:20 - 1:01:20)
So just

[Speaker 4] (1:01:22 - 1:01:42)
I don't know if you kind of buried the lead in there or you didn't want there to be a lead, you know, in terms of like, except for all the, you know, things that don't work, of course, like fundamentally are we seeing like you test, you know, the flow that's coming in and the flow that's coming out and the UV is actually working at scale when,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:42 - 1:01:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:42 - 1:01:44)
when the system's working.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:44 - 1:01:45)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:45 - 1:01:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:45 - 1:01:46)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:46 - 1:01:49)
The only time it doesn't clear out the bacteria

[Speaker 1] (1:01:50 - 1:02:03)
has been I think there's two or maybe three days where it didn't take it down to essentially zero less than ten is you know essentially zero was when we had heavy rain yes

[Speaker 4] (1:02:03 - 1:02:07)
So how much rain is, where's the tipping point there, Liz?

[Speaker 4] (1:02:07 - 1:02:12)
How much rain would cause this system to become ineffective?

[Speaker 1] (1:02:12 - 1:02:18)
we are there's still research to be done on that because it's not just how much it's how quickly

[Speaker 1] (1:02:19 - 1:02:23)
So we had like, I don't know, a little over

[Speaker 1] (1:02:26 - 1:02:33)
Really not very much less than a half an inch of rain like a little bit over a tenth of an inch but it came in 20 minutes on June 28th and

[Speaker 4] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:33 - 1:02:40)
was enough to flush everything out because it had been dry before that and and caused a slowdown in effectiveness.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:41 - 1:02:50)
We had you know as I said half an inch on two different days last week and and that was also a problem but it didn't overwhelm the system we didn't have to shut anything down.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:51 - 1:03:18)
um we until it started kind of filling up the culvert and we we had to kind of let it let it slide out but in terms of when the ring was happening it didn't cause a problem Sunday night I was there waiting to see what would happen in the culvert because we were you know we didn't know if the thunderstorm would overwhelm the system or not it's hard to predict we were right right in between the sort of two bands of storms and and it was fine

[Speaker 1] (1:03:19 - 1:03:21)
So it really depends.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:21 - 1:03:22)
And then just high level,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:22 - 1:03:22)
That

[Speaker 6] (1:03:22 - 1:03:23)
how often,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:23 - 1:03:29)
how much more often has Kings Beach been open this year as opposed to last year?

[Speaker 1] (1:03:29 - 1:03:35)
is hard to say. I think it's been open a little bit more than 80% this year so far.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:36 - 1:03:48)
Last year was close 75%, the year before that closed 91%. So anecdotally, I didn't run those numbers before I got here because we're still, you know.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:49 - 1:03:55)
in the midst of it but it is definitely been open more this year we've lucked out with the weather that's

[Speaker 2] (1:03:55 - 1:03:55)
Yeah weather

[Speaker 1] (1:03:55 - 1:03:56)
been helpful

[Speaker 2] (1:03:56 - 1:03:56)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:03:56 - 1:03:56)
but

[Speaker 2] (1:03:56 - 1:03:57)
I think

[Speaker 1] (1:03:57 - 1:04:00)
it's so for example it was closed for seven

[Speaker 2] (1:04:00 - 1:04:00)
Rain

[Speaker 1] (1:04:00 - 1:04:00)
or eight days

[Speaker 2] (1:04:00 - 1:04:03)
yes exactly you have to rain adjust I think because we

[Speaker 1] (1:04:03 - 1:04:03)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:04:03 - 1:04:03)
had

[Speaker 1] (1:04:03 - 1:04:03)
you do

[Speaker 2] (1:04:03 - 1:04:04)
very you rainy

[Speaker 1] (1:04:04 - 1:04:04)
do

[Speaker 2] (1:04:04 - 1:04:08)
summer last year and so we had a high amount of closure so what I

[Speaker 1] (1:04:08 - 1:04:09)
and two days ago

[Speaker 2] (1:04:09 - 1:04:11)
don't want to do is leave people to believe that

[Speaker 2] (1:04:12 - 1:04:12)
You

[Speaker 4] (1:04:12 - 1:04:12)
How

[Speaker 2] (1:04:12 - 1:04:12)
know,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:12 - 1:04:12)
do you spell

[Speaker 2] (1:04:12 - 1:04:12)
the the

[Speaker 4] (1:04:12 - 1:04:13)
this?

[Speaker 2] (1:04:13 - 1:04:18)
golden ticket is the UV pilot and maybe, but we don't we don't have all the data to know

[Speaker 1] (1:04:18 - 1:04:18)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:18 - 1:04:18)
it yet.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:18 - 1:04:19)
You aren't drawing any conclusions.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:19 - 1:04:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:20 - 1:04:26)
But what we did find is after the rain on the 7th and 8th,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:26 - 1:04:30)
There was a geomene issue,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:30 - 1:04:30)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:04:30 - 1:04:55)
So because the spikes in bacteria at the beach, the beach was closed on the Lin side for I think eight days because they busted the geomene and it and that's hard to explain but what it means is it it's a trailing five-day average but it's a different it's not an additive average it's a productive additive average and

[Speaker 1] (1:04:56 - 1:05:05)
Once you are higher than the geomene, which is only thirty five, not a hundred and four. Once you're higher, it's hard to get back. So for example,

[Speaker 1] (1:05:05 - 1:05:06)
Swampscott King's Beach

[Speaker 1] (1:05:08 - 1:05:17)
is above the geomene and it will, because we test weekly, it's probably gonna take two or three more weeks to get back. So that section of the beach is still closed.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:19 - 1:05:25)
I think that if we and we were having our generator issues and then we had our um

[Speaker 1] (1:05:26 - 1:05:38)
excess water issue if we had been able to treat all the water once the initial surge came through I think it would have opened the beach sooner I can't prove that but I believe it

[Speaker 4] (1:05:38 - 1:05:39)
And Liz,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:39 - 1:05:41)
correct me if I'm wrong,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:41 - 1:05:46)
but I think a lot of people that I'm talking to are getting excited about this and thinking like,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:46 - 1:05:48)
oh, the beach is always going to be open if this works.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:49 - 1:05:51)
And we're still,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:51 - 1:05:52)
even if this works perfectly.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:53 - 1:05:54)
If we have a rainfall,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:55 - 1:06:01)
we're still going to have that 24, 48 hours where there's going to be other reasons why the beach is going to have to be closed.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:01 - 1:06:06)
There's still CSOs, other reasons why the system's not going to solve everything,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:06 - 1:06:06)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:06:06 - 1:06:07)
is that right?

[Speaker 1] (1:06:07 - 1:06:08)
it doesn't solve everything.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:08 - 1:06:12)
But I think it will open the beach up quicker after a rain event.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:13 - 1:06:28)
I think the other part of the pilot is to understand scalability cost, what size if so we det if we determine the pilot works then what it has to look like to work on a grand scale consistently and not have a lot of these issues that we don't

[Speaker 1] (1:06:28 - 1:06:29)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:29 - 1:06:39)
have Liz signed up for the next 50 years gonna clean out the seaweed for us so we need to figure out how we solve some of these problems that we're catching under the pilot.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:39 - 1:07:00)
if we're looking at a permanent structure cost placement all those kinds of things and it's not just us it's us in conjunction with the city of Lynn so there's a lot of factors that still even if we find out yep it clean the water there's a ton of hurdles that still have to be contemplated and understood before we even think about this being the solution

[Speaker 1] (1:07:00 - 1:07:05)
Yeah, we had our first meeting since we started the pilot with the DEP and the EPA today.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:06 - 1:07:24)
and they had a lot of similar questions and a lot of good feedback but they were I would say I think they're impressed I think they were skeptical but I think they are impressed by what they're seeing and what we've been able to accomplish

[Speaker 1] (1:07:26 - 1:07:26)
Oh my

[Speaker 4] (1:07:26 - 1:07:26)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:07:26 - 1:07:26)
god.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:26 - 1:07:31)
first thing they noted during the conversation was, we know you beat or treat the wallet.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:31 - 1:07:31)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:31 - 1:07:32)
There's no question.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:32 - 1:07:32)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:32 - 1:07:34)
But it's all the other issues we've encountered.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:34 - 1:07:35)
Right, right.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:35 - 1:07:36)
Which leads me to my s

[Speaker 1] (1:07:36 - 1:07:37)
Thanks.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:37 - 1:07:39)
Hi, can you look at the video for the information?

[Speaker 1] (1:07:40 - 1:07:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:40 - 1:07:59)
All right, yes. What I wanted to bring to your attention is, as Liz said, there's been challenges along the way. I've had separate conversations with the mayor of Lynn and Clientfelder as we were committed to initially this w they thought it was gonna be an eight tha hundred thousand dollar project. It's now gone over that a little bit, and they've come back to me, you're shocked about that?

[Speaker 1] (1:07:59 - 1:07:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:59 - 1:08:08)
So I said obviously I can't answer this question, but this would be a select board question. They're looking for another twenty thousand dollars from the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:10 - 1:08:28)
So so maybe ten thousand that it would have been to pay Kleinfeld for the for all the extra work they've encountered with the seaweed and everything else and the other ten thousand that which I think might be a little high was for the seaweedish I mean excuse me the sound blankets we put around to deflect the noise.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:28 - 1:08:31)
Oh, I I'm glad you brought up the sound blanket

[Speaker 8] (1:08:31 - 1:08:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:31 - 1:08:34)
because not the sound blankets but the artwork

[Speaker 8] (1:08:34 - 1:08:35)
Yeah, that's the mirrors.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:35 - 1:08:36)
happening there. It's it's very

[Speaker 8] (1:08:36 - 1:08:37)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:37 - 1:08:40)
deterrent to your sight line when you're at those stop signs.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:41 - 1:08:41)
Oh, I love it.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:41 - 1:08:54)
I'm I'm glad you love it and it's it might be beautiful, but from a safety perspective, I've come a cou a couple of times to the fencing and could not see actually around the fencing. You have to inch out.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:54 - 1:08:55)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:55 - 1:08:56)
Pretty far.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:56 - 1:08:58)
Because of the blankets or because of the uh

[Speaker 2] (1:08:58 - 1:08:58)
No, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:58 - 1:09:00)
It just made me think about. I

[Speaker 7] (1:09:00 - 1:09:00)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:00 - 1:09:02)
think it's some of it's because of those um

[Speaker 1] (1:09:02 - 1:09:02)
Units.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:02 - 1:09:02)
murals.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:02 - 1:09:03)
The murals?

[Speaker 7] (1:09:03 - 1:09:04)
Well the murals

[Speaker 1] (1:09:04 - 1:09:04)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:04 - 1:09:04)
won't be outside.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:05 - 1:09:10)
But they're on top of the like you can't see through the fencing, right? So if you could see through the fencing you'd

[Speaker 1] (1:09:10 - 1:09:10)
You have can't

[Speaker 2] (1:09:10 - 1:09:10)
to say that.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:10 - 1:09:12)
see the you won't see through the fencing

[Speaker 2] (1:09:12 - 1:09:12)
Right, because there's

[Speaker 1] (1:09:12 - 1:09:12)
though anyway

[Speaker 7] (1:09:12 - 1:09:13)
no screen.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13)
because of the blankets

[Speaker 2] (1:09:13 - 1:09:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:14 - 1:09:17)
This was an idea like you know on walls and laying how they did it.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:17 - 1:09:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:17 - 1:09:21)
And others have complained that it's a distraction too because now you're driving and you want to see what the

[Speaker 7] (1:09:21 - 1:09:22)
Let's see what the mural looks like.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:22 - 1:09:23)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:23 - 1:09:24)
They're both hiding now, are I they?

[Speaker 2] (1:09:24 - 1:09:26)
just want to make sure there's not been any other safety concerns

[Speaker 7] (1:09:26 - 1:09:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:27 - 1:09:29)
brought up and just maybe because the

[Speaker 2] (1:09:32 - 1:09:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:32 - 1:09:40)
It's not in front of the fencing, so if you stop at the fencing, you can't really see either way, so you actually have to stop after the stop sign in order to have a line of vision.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:41 - 1:09:42)
'Kay.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:42 - 1:09:42)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:42 - 1:09:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:42 - 1:09:45)
I think I had one in the street that got hit a couple times.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:45 - 1:09:46)
Oh jeez.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:46 - 1:09:46)
I think

[Speaker 1] (1:09:46 - 1:09:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:46 - 1:09:48)
that's the reason those are moved. I

[Speaker 1] (1:09:48 - 1:09:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:49 - 1:09:49)
We could

[Speaker 4] (1:09:49 - 1:09:49)
We

[Speaker 2] (1:09:49 - 1:09:49)
take a

[Speaker 4] (1:09:49 - 1:09:49)
can

[Speaker 2] (1:09:49 - 1:09:49)
look.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:49 - 1:09:52)
look at where the we can we can have them look at the placement of

[Speaker 1] (1:09:52 - 1:09:52)
That'd

[Speaker 4] (1:09:52 - 1:09:53)
the stop

[Speaker 1] (1:09:53 - 1:09:53)
be good.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:53 - 1:09:53)
signs.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:54 - 1:09:55)
Go ahead. Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:55 - 1:10:08)
Yeah, Brian Drummond, 153 Reading the Street. And there I have two issues that I'd like to bring up on the project. One is if you bring the data up and if you look at the data, the swamp skid inflow data,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:08 - 1:10:13)
third of the time we're below 104 bacteria level,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:13 - 1:10:14)
a third of the time we're above,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:14 - 1:10:17)
and a third of the time there's no data.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:17 - 1:10:21)
And I think we have to get data on the swampskid inflow every day.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:22 - 1:10:48)
And the problem is if the the pump is turned off when the level is six inches or less behind the weir wall, and if you got a pole in the scoop, which Geno has, because they've done that to gather water sample to which they they haven't done before, you can get the inflow data for every day.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:48 - 1:10:52)
and I think it's im for swamps, 'cause I think it's important to get that data. So

[Speaker 2] (1:10:54 - 1:11:13)
D_E_P_W_ would help to have to help Liz, but as the Board of Public Works I would ask the select board to encourage the D_P_W_ to get that sample so that Liz can get the data bacteria every every day. Because what you're seeing is that the

[Speaker 2] (1:11:14 - 1:11:29)
Linlevel is basically five times bacteria level than the swampskit level. And it doesn't seem like there's a lot of work that maybe has to be done on the swampskit site to get us below 104. And the data, I like the spreadsheet please.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:31 - 1:11:32)
This is all I have.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:32 - 1:11:33)
You don't have the spreadsheet?

[Speaker 4] (1:11:33 - 1:11:34)
Nope. I just have the pen.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:35 - 1:11:37)
On the board of health,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:38 - 1:11:39)
on the board of health

[Speaker 6] (1:11:39 - 1:11:40)
I don't know how to do

[Speaker 4] (1:11:40 - 1:11:40)
Can

[Speaker 6] (1:11:40 - 1:11:41)
that one.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:41 - 1:11:42)
I just Can I please just respond?

[Speaker 2] (1:11:42 - 1:11:44)
No, let me just finish. And then

[Speaker 2] (1:11:45 - 1:11:58)
the the, you know, so the the LINCS side b is about five times more than the SWAMP skin bacteria level. And when the combined flow was over ten thousand bacteria units is when the U_V_

[Speaker 2] (1:11:59 - 1:12:00)
system did not work.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:01 - 1:12:07)
And so that's gonna be an issue down the road that at very high level it it doesn't work.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:08 - 1:12:10)
The second point I'd like

[Speaker 2] (1:12:11 - 1:12:21)
for the select board and the D.P.W. board to know is that with the where wall is three feet high, there's a float system and the pumps turn off

[Speaker 2] (1:12:23 - 1:12:29)
at six inches. And as the water fills up behind the where wall at two and a half feet,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:29 - 1:12:31)
the pumps turn on,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:31 - 1:12:36)
float, and they stay on all the way through high tide

[Speaker 2] (1:12:37 - 1:12:52)
and below is high tide. And the where wall is three feet, high tide can go to four and a half feet. So all during the high tide cycle you're pumping the ocean. And when you're pumping the ocean you're pumping in all the seaweed and all the crap and all this sort of stuff.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:53 - 1:13:01)
And I think you're wasting fuel also. You know, so I I believe it should be set up that at two and a half feet

[Speaker 2] (1:13:02 - 1:13:29)
Where when the high when the water gets to the wearwall level that the pump turns off and it stays off all during the high tide cycle and then turns on once the tide gets below the wearwall. So you're not sucking in all that seaweed. And the, you know, I think it I think you'll save money, fuel cost and you'll you'll have less clogging of your pipes. And so I'd like

[Speaker 2] (1:13:30 - 1:13:45)
Maybe if you agree with that, to send a letter to somebody to have the pumps off. 'Cause I can't figure out who's in charge of the project, and I don't know who to talk to and get anything through, but I think the pumps should be off when the tide goes over the weir wall.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:46 - 1:13:46)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (1:13:46 - 1:13:48)
I think you know who's in charge. So you know, sure you know.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:48 - 1:13:51)
So I'm I'm baffled by this. So

[Speaker 2] (1:13:51 - 1:13:55)
You and I we had a conversation for an hour. He's got l some valid points but some Sure. of them

[Speaker 2] (1:13:56 - 1:14:06)
Don't make a lot of sense to me. And it Nice, and I said this to you earlier, so I'm not hurting his feelings. There's a screen, we we installed a screen that stopped in the see we w we made these upgrades along the way, so.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:06 - 1:14:06)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:07 - 1:14:15)
It's really not. And the whole pump concept is, it's a float system. So when water gets to six inches, that's when it kicks on, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:14:15 - 1:14:20)
We're not gonna put it down on the bottom and suck up everything, the debris that's on the bottom. That's why it's at six inches.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:20 - 1:14:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:21 - 1:14:21)
Madam Chair, can

[Speaker 1] (1:14:21 - 1:14:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:21 - 1:14:22)
I suggest we're

[Speaker 1] (1:14:22 - 1:14:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:22 - 1:14:23)
in the weeds a

[Speaker 4] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
Oh

[Speaker 7] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
little

[Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
bit. Let's

[Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
yeah, I

[Speaker 7] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
move I on.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:14:24)
think you're

[Speaker 4] (1:14:24 - 1:14:25)
Who is this? Who is this?

[Speaker 7] (1:14:25 - 1:14:26)
up in there to

[Speaker 1] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
What?

[Speaker 7] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
get the data sample

[Speaker 1] (1:14:27 - 1:14:27)
I think,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:27 - 1:14:27)
every day.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:27 - 1:14:27)
Can I

[Speaker 1] (1:14:27 - 1:14:27)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:14:27 - 1:14:27)
That

[Speaker 4] (1:14:27 - 1:14:28)
please

[Speaker 7] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
doesn't make

[Speaker 4] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
respond

[Speaker 7] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
any

[Speaker 1] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
think we need

[Speaker 7] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
sense.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:28 - 1:14:29)
to that

[Speaker 1] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
wait one

[Speaker 4] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
one?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:29 - 1:14:31)
second, guys, please, one moment. So

[Speaker 4] (1:14:31 - 1:14:32)
Dr.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32)
Slotin.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:32 - 1:14:33)
we have heard your comment.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:34 - 1:14:44)
Appreciate it. We will get some additional information if it can't be answered now and we will figure out if and how we proceed with the commentary. Obviously that's not something

[Speaker 2] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:44 - 1:14:46)
any of us have expertise on right now,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:46 - 1:14:46)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:46 - 1:14:47)
so we're a little bit

[Speaker 4] (1:14:47 - 1:14:47)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:47 - 1:14:48)
in the weeds on it.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:48 - 1:14:48)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:48 - 1:14:50)
We can continue this conversation offline, it's

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
not a total

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
that

[Speaker 2] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
problem.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:52)
would be I think that would be great.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:52 - 1:14:53)
And if it does make sense, I will do it.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:53 - 1:14:54)
Perfect.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:54 - 1:14:54)
Nice.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:54 - 1:14:55)
If I didn't ask the make.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:56 - 1:14:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:57 - 1:14:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:58 - 1:14:58)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:59 - 1:15:01)
Liz, did you have any additional comment or you're good?

[Speaker 4] (1:15:01 - 1:15:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:05 - 1:15:24)
Once the water level in the swumsca culvert gets down below six inches, what is down there, if you can imagine? First of all, it's like ten feet below grade, right? Someone has to climb down in to get it. We're not asking our sampling team to climb into the culvert through a hatch.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:25 - 1:15:30)
Number one. Number two, I'm not asking them to lean over and dip out of that.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:32 - 1:15:55)
either. Three, I don't think it's a good use of DPW time or really anyone's time because the six inches that are way down at that bottom are a soupy mix of some sea water, some flow from the culvert, trash, you know, probably bacteria that's maybe growing on the walls. I mean it is not worth it.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:55 - 1:15:55)
Yuck.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:55 - 1:15:58)
It is not worth it. And so that's number one.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:01 - 1:16:04)
and number and I forgot number two but it

[Speaker 1] (1:16:04 - 1:16:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:04 - 1:16:05)
all right.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:05 - 1:16:06)
I I I

[Speaker 4] (1:16:06 - 1:16:06)
Here it's just

[Speaker 1] (1:16:06 - 1:16:07)
we get it.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:07 - 1:16:08)
so we've had this discussion so

[Speaker 1] (1:16:08 - 1:16:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:08 - 1:16:16)
I'm a little frustrated. It is not and we and we have we have talked to the consultants, we have talked to the D_E_P_ and the E_P_A_

[Speaker 1] (1:16:17 - 1:16:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:17 - 1:16:20)
it it is not worth the we have we

[Speaker 4] (1:16:22 - 1:16:36)
We are all working super super hard under difficult conditions. So we are not looking to add things that we don't think are going to add value. So we are going to be making decisions about what we think is a good use of people's time, whether it's a DPW time or the team's time,

[Speaker 4] (1:16:36 - 1:16:37)
whether it's safe.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:38 - 1:16:40)
And whether it will add value. So

[Speaker 2] (1:16:40 - 1:16:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:40 - 1:16:53)
we are very cognizant of that. We're not ignoring anything. We are pulling all the information together and trying to make the best decisions. Number two is the LIN side has three pumps and it's almost I check it

[Speaker 4] (1:16:55 - 1:17:02)
once, twice, sometimes three times a day, both sides in the culvert. It it doesn't ever even get up to the weir wall.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:02 - 1:17:08)
There may be some splash-over, but they are pumped down well below the level of the weir weir wall

[Speaker 1] (1:17:08 - 1:17:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:08 - 1:17:10)
all the time and stormscut is too.

[Speaker 8] (1:17:10 - 1:17:10)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:10 - 1:17:23)
Okay, very good. I think uh the details of this should be worked out between the consultants and the teams who are putting it together. If there's issue with it, we will happily send us an email, we'll happily look into it, Gino and team.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:23 - 1:17:23)
team.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:23 - 1:17:34)
Um but we don't want to get too we nine of us are experts in this so um if there are no additional questions from the board does any do we want to help Gino?

[Speaker 1] (1:17:35 - 1:17:37)
Give some feedback to the city of Lynn regarding

[Speaker 4] (1:17:37 - 1:17:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:37 - 1:17:39)
the additional funding request.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:39 - 1:17:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:39 - 1:17:41)
No, absolutely not, no.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:41 - 1:17:44)
That's my feedback for the twenty thousand dollars.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:46)
I think we could maybe

[Speaker 4] (1:17:46 - 1:17:46)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:46 - 1:17:52)
value Liz's time and tell them they're already getting a discount for services rendered by our wonderful

[Speaker 4] (1:17:52 - 1:17:53)
And Matt.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:53 - 1:17:57)
and Matt for by our wonderful community and uh

[Speaker 1] (1:17:58 - 1:18:12)
I don't think I mean I I was very clear when I voted to support the EV pilot that this is it and make the best of it with the money you're getting, because you're not getting any more. So I would be disingenuous to say yes now let's give them some more in my seat.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:13 - 1:18:19)
Well, I uh maybe I'll be this somewhat contrarian. I mean I of course do I wanna give more money? No, but

[Speaker 2] (1:18:20 - 1:18:35)
you know this does happen in projects, right, and there have there have been things that have come up, right, and it's it's not shocking. And I was actually the other thing I'm shocked about is you only said it was twenty thousand dollars, I actually thought you were gonna say it was a lot more than that. Um now on the other hand we're only halfway through the summer.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:36 - 1:18:36)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:36 - 1:18:42)
Um so we don't know what is all totally gonna be, right, and I assume that's like our half, the twenty thousand or whatever.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:42 - 1:18:42)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:42 - 1:18:47)
So um I think it would be helpful to kind of itemize this and understand

[Speaker 2] (1:18:47 - 1:19:03)
and really where we're headed overall. I don't know if there's is there a timing urgency, really critical urgency, so I think, you know, I I would I would still entertain w what we need to do in that regard because I do we do need to continue to be a good partner in that regard. So

[Speaker 10] (1:19:04 - 1:19:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:19:06 - 1:19:11)
I would I would go and talk to the engineers that just didn't realise there was

[Speaker 2] (1:19:12 - 1:19:12)
Seaweed.

[Speaker 11] (1:19:12 - 1:19:19)
Seaweed from the sea water, you know, sopping up. I think maybe they would offer a discount, but I am an absolute no.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:22 - 1:19:25)
Okay, straw poll.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:27 - 1:19:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:27 - 1:19:29)
We'll g get some additional information if

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:29 - 1:19:30)
we wanna consider it further.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:30 - 1:19:41)
no one would there. I was kinda aware what this would be. So the other option I had given them is just to cut the pilot short, if they really thought they needed to, then you could save that twenty thousand dollars on

[Speaker 3] (1:19:41 - 1:19:41)
the Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:41 - 1:19:41)
departmental level

[Speaker 3] (1:19:41 - 1:19:41)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:41 - 1:19:44)
comps and the generator, but reduce it by a week, whatever.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:45 - 1:19:45)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:46 - 1:19:48)
So if the answer's no, that that's the other option.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:51 - 1:19:51)
Let's get more information.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:51 - 1:19:52)
Let's get more information.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:52 - 1:19:53)
We can chat

[Speaker 1] (1:19:53 - 1:19:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:53 - 1:19:53)
about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:53 - 1:19:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:54 - 1:19:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:54 - 1:20:00)
Um, okay. If that concludes this conversation, thank you both very much for all your time.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:00 - 1:20:00)
Thank you, Liz.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:00 - 1:20:09)
And Gino. Um, this matter, um, discussion and possible vote of fiscal year 26 water and sewer rates. We have Patrick here. Thank you for joining us, Patrick.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
Good evening,

[Speaker 7] (1:20:11 - 1:20:12)
Patrick Letty, town treasurer.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:12 - 1:20:17)
I am here tonight to talk about the FY26 water and sewer rates.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:17 - 1:20:27)
We met on July 8th uh last to discuss this and there were a couple action items outstanding that uh you asked of me to help you make a decision.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:28 - 1:20:30)
One of those was to

[Speaker 7] (1:20:31 - 1:20:43)
research some of the other policies that other municipalities have regarding the level of retained earnings they keep in their water and sewer funds. I've done that, I've collected those and put them on a sheet in your packet.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:43 - 1:21:08)
Um just took a sample of what was readily available and there's a pretty range I found. Marblehead with five to seven percent of budget, or on the other end, Salem at twenty five percent of prior year budget. So quite a range. Uh we fall at twenty percent of our budget based on our financial policies that were adopted by you and the finance committee several years ago.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:09 - 1:21:26)
Um also I was asked to research any potential relief that can be uh given to those that may be unable to afford their water and sewer bills. Specifically I found um a solution that

[Speaker 7] (1:21:26 - 1:21:43)
Could be accomplished where we could solicit voluntary contributions from ratepayers on the quarterly water and sewer bill and that would go into a special fund that could then be used to provide relief on almost an application and abatement type process similar to what we have for taxes.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:44 - 1:21:53)
So that would require special legislation and there's a draft there with the language that could be moved forward if we wanted to provide that avenue.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:54 - 1:21:55)
To the rate payers.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:56 - 1:22:00)
Is this like, I'm sorry, is this like a round up your bill and then it goes

[Speaker 7] (1:22:00 - 1:22:22)
Almost. So other towns have this for tax bill, water sewer bills where you get a little check-off box somewhere in your tax bill and you write in an amount and you would add that to your payment and that would go into this special fund dedicated for that purpose. And it usually serves people who are elderly or disabled of a certain lower income to be determined in the policies of the fund.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:23 - 1:22:24)
Let's just sing.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:25 - 1:22:32)
And and the fund grows uh the money doesn't roll into free cash or anything like that, the fund the fund stayed

[Speaker 7] (1:22:32 - 1:22:32)
Nope,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:32 - 1:22:32)
in fund.

[Speaker 7] (1:22:32 - 1:22:38)
it's a special revenue account, separate, the earnings, any interest stay in that fund and go towards the purpose.

[Speaker 7] (1:22:39 - 1:22:40)
I checked that with DOR.

[Speaker 7] (1:22:43 - 1:22:43)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:22:43 - 1:22:45)
Patrick, can I ask a question on that while we're on it?

[Speaker 2] (1:22:46 - 1:22:49)
Uh I don't know if you wanna kinda of it uh address these things

[Speaker 8] (1:22:49 - 1:22:49)
You

[Speaker 2] (1:22:49 - 1:22:51)
individually, but you do have um

[Speaker 2] (1:22:52 - 1:22:56)
Then we have to set up a committee to oversee this. Is that required?

[Speaker 2] (1:22:57 - 1:22:57)
Or

[Speaker 7] (1:22:57 - 1:22:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:57 - 1:22:58)
is that so just

[Speaker 7] (1:22:58 - 1:22:58)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:22:58 - 1:22:58)
the model

[Speaker 7] (1:22:58 - 1:22:58)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:22:58 - 1:22:59)
language you got or?

[Speaker 7] (1:22:59 - 1:23:00)
can obviously

[Speaker 9] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
So.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
if

[Speaker 2] (1:23:00 - 1:23:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:01 - 1:23:04)
the board chose to advance the sit-down meeting the language can be

[Speaker 2] (1:23:04 - 1:23:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:04 - 1:23:06)
reworked. Council hasn't looked at this.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:07 - 1:23:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:07 - 1:23:10)
This is amalgamation of other similar legislation

[Speaker 9] (1:23:10 - 1:23:10)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:10 - 1:23:11)
that exists.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:11 - 1:23:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:23:11 - 1:23:12)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:12 - 1:23:12)
That makes sense.

[Speaker 9] (1:23:13 - 1:23:19)
So we just need to put this on another agenda to vote for it the second time so we can advance it to special town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:19 - 1:23:21)
If we decide that's the direction we

[Speaker 2] (1:23:21 - 1:23:21)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:23:21 - 1:23:22)
want to go

[Speaker 2] (1:23:22 - 1:23:22)
think

[Speaker 1] (1:23:22 - 1:23:22)
in,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:22 - 1:23:22)
I think

[Speaker 1] (1:23:22 - 1:23:22)
that's

[Speaker 2] (1:23:22 - 1:23:23)
it's a great direction.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:23 - 1:23:23)
not bad.

[Speaker 9] (1:23:23 - 1:23:24)
That's a given.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
My two cents.

[Speaker 10] (1:23:24 - 1:23:25)
I'm supportive

[Speaker 9] (1:23:25 - 1:23:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (1:23:25 - 1:23:26)
of this.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
We can

[Speaker 9] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:32)
work with town council to get some language that would facilitate that in in our town.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:32 - 1:23:34)
I'll do that and get you a council vetted draft.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:34 - 1:23:37)
That is fantastic. That's a great solution.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:37 - 1:23:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:40 - 1:23:48)
And Diane's going to pull up some slides on the screen. Um the last item that was outstanding at last meeting was to try and um

[Speaker 7] (1:23:48 - 1:23:53)
Come up with some other rate options that may err more on the side of affordability.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:53 - 1:24:08)
We had three options that were presented last meeting, and um each option presented here the goal of each is to get us to a certain level of retained earnings at the end of FY26, which is the fiscal year that these rates pertain to.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:09 - 1:24:17)
And so I've I won't go through maybe the rate options that were presented last time, but I'll show you the new ones and we can discuss them and see if that there's a

[Speaker 7] (1:24:18 - 1:24:22)
Direction we wanna go in there. So if you wanna go to the next skip the next slide.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:25 - 1:24:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (1:24:26 - 1:24:26)
Hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:26 - 1:24:28)
Sorry. Uh, yep. Go back one more.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:30 - 1:24:34)
Okay. So I have nice numbers at the top on my copy, but they're missing. Hopefully they're on your printed copy.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:34 - 1:24:35)
They're on ours.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:35 - 1:24:41)
Okay. Um so these are new rate options that would get us to fourteen percent.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:41 - 1:25:04)
uh budget interim change earnings for both the water and the sewer fund under option four, twelve percent under option five and ten percent under option six. The uh relative fiscal impact is listed there for the average household. Obviously it's um less than the other three options that were presented on the eighth. And I'll just note that if we

[Speaker 7] (1:25:05 - 1:25:12)
went in the direction such as option five or six that would require us to dip into sewer retained earnings a little bit at town meeting to balance the rates.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:13 - 1:25:21)
So these are the new options. I also have other ones if we need to see different percentages I have those done out.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:22 - 1:25:25)
I'm curious if there's any questions or reactions to those.

[Speaker 9] (1:25:25 - 1:25:29)
Did you say five and six we have to dip into our current retained earnings?

[Speaker 9] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:30 - 1:25:34)
Sewer, sewer you you would have to, yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:35 - 1:25:36)
And we have very little, okay?

[Speaker 9] (1:25:37 - 1:25:37)
No.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:37 - 1:25:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:25:38 - 1:25:39)
About twenty percent, right?

[Speaker 7] (1:25:40 - 1:25:49)
So the retained earnings will be recertified uh based on our F_ Y_ twenty five year-end, projecting that will be at fourteen percent retained earnings in sewer.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:50 - 1:26:04)
We're gonna target a lower percentage for both funds. The rate would reflect that and you'd have savings. But for sewer to balance, you would have to appropriate some amount of retained earnings because we're expected to close out at fourteen percent based on F_ by twenty five.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:07 - 1:26:08)
I'm still not getting it. But

[Speaker 1] (1:26:08 - 1:26:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:08 - 1:26:09)
it's just me.

[Speaker 12] (1:26:10 - 1:26:12)
Uh well I guess yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:12 - 1:26:14)
Uh well I g yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:14 - 1:26:15)
Well it

[Speaker 9] (1:26:16 - 1:26:20)
Well, it's because it's because he's got a forecast that we've got a forecast what

[Speaker 7] (1:26:20 - 1:26:20)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:26:20 - 1:26:20)
twenty five

[Speaker 1] (1:26:20 - 1:26:20)
What are we

[Speaker 9] (1:26:20 - 1:26:21)
is going

[Speaker 1] (1:26:21 - 1:26:21)
already

[Speaker 9] (1:26:21 - 1:26:21)
to be.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:21 - 1:26:21)
going to make

[Speaker 9] (1:26:21 - 1:26:21)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:21 - 1:26:23)
in twenty six from twenty five?

[Speaker 7] (1:26:24 - 1:26:26)
Right. So, F_Y_ twenty five.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:27 - 1:26:29)
And we discussed this a little bit last meeting.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:29 - 1:26:38)
Sewer retained earnings will be closing out at fourteen percent of budget. So when we get our rec our certification in September,

[Speaker 7] (1:26:38 - 1:26:40)
that number is uh anticipated to be about

[Speaker 12] (1:26:40 - 1:26:40)
That's

[Speaker 7] (1:26:40 - 1:26:40)
fourteen

[Speaker 12] (1:26:40 - 1:26:40)
it.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:40 - 1:26:43)
percent of this year's budget. Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:26:44 - 1:26:46)
So if we stayed at fourteen percent

[Speaker 1] (1:26:48 - 1:26:49)
The floor is like,

[Speaker 9] (1:26:49 - 1:26:53)
we stayed at fourteen percent, we shouldn't we shouldn't have to dip into it Correct. that much.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:53 - 1:26:54)
So if you adopted

[Speaker 1] (1:26:54 - 1:26:55)
It's like option a.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:55 - 1:26:58)
four or anything more on the aggressive

[Speaker 2] (1:26:58 - 1:26:58)
What?

[Speaker 7] (1:26:58 - 1:27:00)
side of option four,

[Speaker 9] (1:27:00 - 1:27:00)
One, two, three.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:00 - 1:27:02)
you wouldn't need an appropriation of retained earnings. Correct.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:02 - 1:27:05)
And how does the um

[Speaker 9] (1:27:06 - 1:27:09)
how does the liability play into it? Um

[Speaker 9] (1:27:10 - 1:27:17)
The the unearned earning not unearned earnings, but the uh lack of payments.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:17 - 1:27:24)
Yep, so we talked about that a little bit last meeting where there's an up-tick, modest up-tick in tardiness.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:24 - 1:27:25)
So um

[Speaker 7] (1:27:27 - 1:27:33)
ratepayers are paying a little bit less. So as of June thirty, we are have hi slightly higher receivables. I think that's what you're referring to.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:33 - 1:27:34)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:34 - 1:27:39)
Yeah, so that could be up probably two hundred thousand in water, one hundred thousand in

[Speaker 7] (1:27:40 - 1:27:44)
sewer so that's the delta so if uh

[Speaker 7] (1:27:45 - 1:27:53)
behavior changed and we were able to collect sooner on those amounts then we our position might be more favorable at the end of FY26.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:54 - 1:28:06)
If we collect sooner on those, so the the one, I'm never worried about having to collect only because unlike the private sector it's it's looked at differently it's not a real risk liability because

[Speaker 9] (1:28:07 - 1:28:18)
You know, you have a home secured uh a home and land secured on it, and we're making at least fourteen percent interest on it. So you know we do

[Speaker 9] (1:28:19 - 1:28:20)
we do have protection in there.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:21 - 1:28:22)
Fourteen percent interest?

[Speaker 9] (1:28:23 - 1:28:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 13] (1:28:23 - 1:28:23)
Yeah, so on you're.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:23 - 1:28:23)
it's our

[Speaker 1] (1:28:23 - 1:28:24)
the kills that are

[Speaker 9] (1:28:24 - 1:28:24)
when

[Speaker 1] (1:28:24 - 1:28:24)
under

[Speaker 9] (1:28:24 - 1:28:25)
you're not paying

[Speaker 2] (1:28:25 - 1:28:25)
Oh, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 9] (1:28:25 - 1:28:25)
you pay the uh

[Speaker 2] (1:28:25 - 1:28:26)
I didn't see that.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:26 - 1:28:26)
right.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:26 - 1:28:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:26 - 1:28:36)
So if if if we were in the p in the private sector, then there's there's risk, you know, it might not have you can't go back and get anything. Whereas here

[Speaker 9] (1:28:36 - 1:28:49)
we don't have the risk plus we have an income coming in, um but I don't really know how the one hundred thousand on one side of the bill and two hundred thousand on the other really play into the whole thing.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:49 - 1:28:55)
Right. And so that point I guess we keep we don't have a crystal ball unfortunately, so I can't predict how um

[Speaker 7] (1:28:56 - 1:28:58)
That'll pan out out of F_ by twenty six. It's

[Speaker 9] (1:28:58 - 1:28:58)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:58 - 1:29:19)
more favourable or less favourable. I can deal with um the actuals from F_ by twenty five and where I know we stand, which is what these reflect. But to your point if, you know, things are more favourable, we could end up beyond fourteen percent, which is great, or a little bit under fourteen percent, that'll just be what it will be, right? I can only forecast with a certain degree of certainty. Um but to your point

[Speaker 2] (1:29:25 - 1:29:26)
David, go ahead.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:26 - 1:29:33)
Or David, what was the repre what was the uh representation of the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee for setting the rates for fiscal year 26?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:33 - 1:29:42)
Yep so when I last met with them the sentiment was to fully fund the retained earnings to 20% of budget by the end of FY26. Got

[Speaker 3] (1:29:42 - 1:29:43)
So that so

[Speaker 1] (1:29:43 - 1:29:43)
was their

[Speaker 3] (1:29:43 - 1:29:43)
with

[Speaker 1] (1:29:43 - 1:29:43)
goal.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:43 - 1:29:43)
the

[Speaker 3] (1:29:43 - 1:29:55)
with all the so with all the projects that we you know because this board sat here and we made a commitment to the residents of the town and we said we're gonna we're gonna spend ten and a half million dollars three and a half million dollars

[Speaker 3] (1:29:55 - 1:30:00)
in I believe twenty five three and a half million in twenty six three and a half million in twenty seven.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:01 - 1:30:14)
So I I mean I think the fact that we sat here, we said that we're doing the work now, we've done a lot of the work at Fisherman's. We've started the process with phase two uh at King's. We have a lot of work to do.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:15 - 1:30:18)
We're starting to see those those benefits occurring.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:19 - 1:30:33)
I think my view is we need to stay the course, and we need to make sure that, you know, at a time where we're investing more, we need to make sure that we're returning our these retained earnings to where they to where they should be so we retain that flexibility for

[Speaker 3] (1:30:35 - 1:30:37)
bring up for for future projects.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:37 - 1:30:42)
Yeah, well let me make sure that's I'm not sure that's uh uh therefore in what you said.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:42 - 1:30:42)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:42 - 1:30:49)
Because we're still gonna be able to go out and pursue the MWRA loans under any of these scenarios.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:50 - 1:30:59)
Yes, and I think to both of your points, if you look at the slide um the second to last line there it's or I'm sorry um the second line

[Speaker 1] (1:31:00 - 1:31:03)
Where it it gives you a measure of how many years it would take

[Speaker 6] (1:31:03 - 1:31:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:03 - 1:31:03)
us to

[Speaker 6] (1:31:03 - 1:31:04)
That's all

[Speaker 1] (1:31:04 - 1:31:04)
get

[Speaker 6] (1:31:04 - 1:31:04)
that's what

[Speaker 1] (1:31:04 - 1:31:04)
to our

[Speaker 6] (1:31:04 - 1:31:04)
we're

[Speaker 1] (1:31:04 - 1:31:04)
current

[Speaker 6] (1:31:04 - 1:31:04)
doing here.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:04 - 1:31:09)
policy and that factors in all of the borrowing that we Yeah. are currently anticipating.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:09 - 1:31:16)
We're not drawing down David in terms of what we're the work we're gonna do or the investment or that pathway at all. It's just uh it's just how quick

[Speaker 7] (1:31:16 - 1:31:17)
How we quick can we

[Speaker 6] (1:31:17 - 1:31:18)
kind of replanish

[Speaker 7] (1:31:18 - 1:31:18)
refill

[Speaker 6] (1:31:18 - 1:31:18)
the funds.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:18 - 1:31:18)
the savings account?

[Speaker 6] (1:31:18 - 1:31:20)
And it seems to me in

[Speaker 1] (1:31:20 - 1:31:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:20 - 1:31:25)
this time when our revenues are down and we're taxing up, this is a place where we could actually

[Speaker 7] (1:31:25 - 1:31:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:26 - 1:31:27)
we smoosh out the

[Speaker 8] (1:31:27 - 1:31:28)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:28 - 1:31:32)
return to quote normal without sacrificing the work that we need to do. If I'm if I

[Speaker 8] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:32 - 1:31:33)
understand the picture correct.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:33 - 1:31:35)
It doesn't make any changes in the work that we're going to do.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:35 - 1:31:35)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:35 - 1:31:37)
It's just in the retainer and it's.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:37 - 1:31:40)
Yeah. And and you know getting even to ten percent

[Speaker 6] (1:31:41 - 1:31:51)
I mean, that certainly is low compared to some of the others, but it's not like, you know, these other, you know, cities and towns are going out of business when they have eight or ten percent, you know, half of them basically are at that level.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:52 - 1:31:52)
Understood.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:52 - 1:31:54)
But our financial guideline is twenty percent.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:54 - 1:31:54)
It is.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:54 - 1:31:56)
And the recommendation from

[Speaker 6] (1:31:56 - 1:31:57)
The one we set as a Selectman.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:57 - 1:31:58)
Understood.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
And the

[Speaker 9] (1:31:58 - 1:32:07)
number ten on the agenda is the definition of what we talk about the financial summit, and maybe this is one of the matters we bring up, whether or not this percentage is the correct percentage given the economic climate.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:07 - 1:32:14)
and our situation where we've been investing in our availability of loans for these types of projects and

[Speaker 8] (1:32:14 - 1:32:20)
If we look at the comparative communities, I mean 60 percent of the communities that you have researched are below.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:21 - 1:32:42)
that figure, right, there are ten perc or fifteen percent or below, right. So sixty percent of our peer groups, so to speak, um are comfortable utilizing you know less than twenty percent. Is that you know does that mean everything? No, but obviously there are other towns of similar size to us that are able to do it with that you know with less of a percentage, so

[Speaker 6] (1:32:42 - 1:32:44)
And and you know there's always different factors, Sure, right?

[Speaker 9] (1:32:44 - 1:32:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:44 - 1:32:46)
There we don't know what projects we have going on

[Speaker 10] (1:32:46 - 1:32:46)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:46 - 1:32:47)
and everything else.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:47 - 1:32:47)
Well

[Speaker 3] (1:32:47 - 1:32:47)
You know,

[Speaker 9] (1:32:47 - 1:32:47)
all

[Speaker 3] (1:32:47 - 1:32:47)
right.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:47 - 1:32:48)
of their infrastructure is

[Speaker 3] (1:32:48 - 1:32:48)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:48 - 1:32:48)
too and

[Speaker 8] (1:32:48 - 1:32:49)
But six

[Speaker 9] (1:32:49 - 1:32:49)
all of

[Speaker 8] (1:32:49 - 1:32:49)
out

[Speaker 9] (1:32:49 - 1:32:49)
their staff.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:49 - 1:32:50)
of ten are below.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:50 - 1:32:51)
But I do want to, David,

[Speaker 9] (1:32:51 - 1:32:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:51 - 1:32:53)
I want to get back to your original point about the Water and Sewer Advisory Committee.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:54 - 1:32:59)
You know, with all due respect, you know, of course they have, you know, a very

[Speaker 6] (1:33:00 - 1:33:02)
uh particular focus,

[Speaker 8] (1:33:02 - 1:33:02)
Set,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:02 - 1:33:02)
right?

[Speaker 8] (1:33:02 - 1:33:03)
yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:03 - 1:33:03)
Um

[Speaker 8] (1:33:03 - 1:33:03)
sets go.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:03 - 1:33:07)
and I don't know if they were presented with all these options at that point either.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:07 - 1:33:08)
No,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:08 - 1:33:10)
Um really, could they were presented with the same ones we had, you know, earlier

[Speaker 8] (1:33:10 - 1:33:11)
earlier.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:11 - 1:33:16)
around, right? So I'm not really sure what they would say today. Um but,

[Speaker 8] (1:33:16 - 1:33:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:16 - 1:33:21)
you know, of course in you know, if I were sitting on that committee I probably would say hey, I wanna make sure we get that twenty percent too.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:21 - 1:33:23)
But I but I also want to make sure that we

[Speaker 3] (1:33:24 - 1:33:39)
You know, we have uh we have an obligation, we're under a consent decree, we're at a time where where, you know, where we've actually seen, you know, since the consent decree went into place in, I believe, twenty fifteen, we actually saw water and sewer rates fall a

[Speaker 6] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:39 - 1:33:51)
number of years. So I just want to make sure that we're continuing to make the investments necessary and that everybody is is paying in and that we're we know that we have these responsibilities.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:52 - 1:34:03)
And we know we have these costs and we know that we're, you know, going to have to continue to fix these these problems. We know that at Fisherman's Beach, we know that that problem is is there's probably a greater scope.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:04 - 1:34:04)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:05 - 1:34:17)
So that's going to require more funds. So that's going to require more of more of an investment. So I just I just want to make sure that we're that we're going to address this. You know, a lot of you know, as we've done this previously,

[Speaker 3] (1:34:17 - 1:34:18)
it's been out of sight, out of mind.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:18 - 1:34:19)
And when something breaks,

[Speaker 3] (1:34:19 - 1:34:20)
we fix it.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:21 - 1:34:35)
So I'm glad that we're trying to get ahead of that curve a little bit or play catch up uh considerably because, you know, we you you know we started talking about this back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen it during the consent decree. I believe we still had wooden pipes.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:37 - 1:34:42)
I do have a question for Patrick. Do you have an average of what other communities, what the average is?

[Speaker 8] (1:34:43 - 1:34:45)
of other communities, of what they

[Speaker 1] (1:34:45 - 1:34:46)
Their policy.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:47 - 1:34:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:47 - 1:34:51)
Um I don't have an average, I just sampled what we have today. Obviously

[Speaker 8] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52)
Okay, so this is ten.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:52 - 1:34:55)
I can go deeper for a larger conversation about the policy itself.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:56 - 1:34:58)
I th I think we have to make a decision I think we need to make a decision

[Speaker 9] (1:34:58 - 1:34:58)
As

[Speaker 8] (1:34:58 - 1:34:58)
tonight.

[Speaker 9] (1:34:58 - 1:35:08)
it relates to the rate we have to make a decision, but as we talk about a more broader financial policy uh conversation that maybe that is part of that.

[Speaker 9] (1:35:08 - 1:35:14)
deep dive to understand if our policy today should be our policy tomorrow so

[Speaker 6] (1:35:15 - 1:35:17)
So to move it along,

[Speaker 6] (1:35:17 - 1:35:19)
I mean, frankly,

[Speaker 6] (1:35:19 - 1:35:26)
if it were, I wasn't here in the whole conversation and I was just looking at it, I would go for option six or keep it as low as possible.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:26 - 1:35:27)
I would second that.

[Speaker 11] (1:35:27 - 1:35:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:28 - 1:35:28)
See,

[Speaker 8] (1:35:28 - 1:35:30)
I'm thinking the

[Speaker 1] (1:35:30 - 1:35:31)
That's exactly what I was thinking the the whole time.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:32 - 1:35:32)
I will say.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:32 - 1:35:34)
safest bet,

[Speaker 8] (1:35:34 - 1:35:35)
I think the most

[Speaker 8] (1:35:37 - 1:35:39)
responsible bet right now is option four.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:39 - 1:35:40)
I was going to

[Speaker 8] (1:35:40 - 1:35:40)
Because

[Speaker 6] (1:35:40 - 1:35:40)
do I that.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:40 - 1:35:44)
by going to option four we're not touching any of our retained earnings.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44)
That was going

[Speaker 8] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44)
By

[Speaker 6] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44)
to be going my

[Speaker 8] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44)
to

[Speaker 6] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44)
second

[Speaker 8] (1:35:44 - 1:35:45)
six we're

[Speaker 6] (1:35:45 - 1:35:45)
choice.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:45 - 1:35:49)
going into retained earnings, and I think we we still have to

[Speaker 8] (1:35:50 - 1:35:50)
I

[Speaker 9] (1:35:50 - 1:35:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:50 - 1:35:53)
think we're just safer s sticking with not having to touch that.

[Speaker 9] (1:35:53 - 1:35:55)
And I think to be respectful of David's point,

[Speaker 9] (1:35:55 - 1:36:12)
we are playing catch-up in order to get to a point where we can be proactive. We can't even be proactive yet because we're catching up. So we are sliding the scale a little bit towards proactivity by pushing it to even the fourth scenario because now to to bolster into our retained earnings, it's gonna take an additional

[Speaker 9] (1:36:13 - 1:36:15)
three years instead of a year or two years.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16)
However,

[Speaker 9] (1:36:16 - 1:36:18)
given the economic climate,

[Speaker 9] (1:36:18 - 1:36:24)
given our tax rates, given all these things that we are asking our community to pitch in for,

[Speaker 9] (1:36:24 - 1:36:28)
I think it is responsible to consider it.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:28 - 1:36:34)
And also as we are in line to have a conversation about the financial policy,

[Speaker 9] (1:36:34 - 1:36:38)
I think in light of that we should be.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:39 - 1:36:47)
maybe not considering full throttle until we decide that that's the next policy we're going to be uh facilitating for the next couple of years.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:47 - 1:36:52)
It's just a conversation about how much retained earnings do we want.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:53 - 1:36:59)
We're not discussing what how much work we should be doing. We're already committed to the work.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:59 - 1:36:59)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:59 - 1:37:02)
It's just do we really need to have this level of retained earnings.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:02 - 1:37:02)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:02 - 1:37:05)
I think we're very safe going with option number four.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:06 - 1:37:06)
All right.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:06 - 1:37:07)
So do you want to make a motion?

[Speaker 8] (1:37:07 - 1:37:08)
I'd like to make a motion to go

[Speaker 9] (1:37:08 - 1:37:08)
Patrick,

[Speaker 8] (1:37:08 - 1:37:09)
after number

[Speaker 9] (1:37:09 - 1:37:09)
do

[Speaker 8] (1:37:09 - 1:37:09)
four.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:09 - 1:37:10)
you have anything else you want to add?

[Speaker 8] (1:37:10 - 1:37:11)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:11 - 1:37:13)
Um, I don't have anything to add at

[Speaker 9] (1:37:13 - 1:37:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:13 - 1:37:25)
this point. Um, if you're gonna make a motion, I'm just gonna ask Diane to move to the last slide, which has the actual rates and the motion can just say to incorporate these rates into the minutes.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
it's just

[Speaker 9] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
and

[Speaker 8] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
not so

[Speaker 9] (1:37:26 - 1:37:35)
and before you make your motion, because Liz specifically asked at public comment if we would take comment during this particular matter, Liz has her hand up, so go ahead, Ms. Svec.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:36 - 1:38:00)
So um two things. One is as we know policy does not align, right. So we have a policy of 20 percent, but we haven't hit 20 percent in a long time. Um for example, Marlborough may have a policy of less than 20 percent, but at the end of 2024 in their sewer enterprise fund they have a chain rate of nearly two million and you subtract about 1.2 million of it, so they ended

[Speaker 12] (1:38:01 - 1:38:29)
Uh they came into twenty five with one point seven million in the junior in their sewer fund and one point three million in their water fund. So I don't know what their total budget is, but I think they're probably well above the five to seven percent at at that rate. So it really is about what you want to spend and and what your needs are. Um in the last year yes, we have dedicated money through ARPA and S.R.F.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:29 - 1:38:55)
loans and capital for consent decree work, work that is required by the consent decree, but we haven't set anything aside for the things that come up that we haven't anticipated or that we should be anticipating but that we're not because we're spending so much money on fixing the pipes. So we had a water main valve break, it cost $100,000 to fix it, we did not have any

[Speaker 12] (1:38:57 - 1:39:01)
money in the sewer retain earning cover that,

[Speaker 12] (1:39:02 - 1:39:14)
right? And then there was some reconfiguring of ARPA money to cover it because we didn't we were we were at negative then. On paper, you can say it's on paper, but we couldn't spend what we didn't have.

[Speaker 9] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:23)
So I just think it is important to consider what the plan is, as well as you know what the rates are going to be.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:24 - 1:39:39)
And the third thing I want to say is when we raised rates last year, they were to get us to, correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick, retain earnings of 17% for 25 and building to 20% over three years. Now

[Speaker 1] (1:39:40 - 1:39:41)
That was the plan, seventy

[Speaker 3] (1:39:41 - 1:39:42)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:42 - 1:39:46)
percent. We ended up fourteen percent in sewer and six percent in water.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:46 - 1:39:50)
So just remember the numbers don't always come to fruition.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:51 - 1:39:53)
So the more you skinny a town,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:53 - 1:39:58)
the more risk there is. So I I really would urge you to um

[Speaker 1] (1:40:00 - 1:40:06)
to not make any changes in your thinking about what the policy should be without the financial summit and and to not

[Speaker 1] (1:40:07 - 1:40:09)
So not go for broke right now.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:11 - 1:40:13)
So do you have a recommendation of one of these?

[Speaker 1] (1:40:13 - 1:40:23)
Yeah, our recommendation was to, you know, try to build back to the twenty percent. I I would it I think four is even too low. I would at least be choosing

[Speaker 1] (1:40:25 - 1:40:27)
Wh what it was it one two and I can't remember what the

[Speaker 6] (1:40:27 - 1:40:27)
One

[Speaker 1] (1:40:27 - 1:40:27)
numbers are.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:27 - 1:40:28)
two and three.

[Speaker 7] (1:40:28 - 1:40:28)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (1:40:28 - 1:40:29)
So three is sixteen.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:29 - 1:40:30)
At least three.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:30 - 1:40:31)
A minimum ta retained target of

[Speaker 1] (1:40:31 - 1:40:31)
At least

[Speaker 6] (1:40:31 - 1:40:32)
sixteen

[Speaker 1] (1:40:32 - 1:40:34)
a minimum of three in my opinion.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:36 - 1:40:41)
So that the minimum of three would would be an increase in average inc Would could you go back to that slide?

[Speaker 6] (1:40:42 - 1:40:44)
Diana, you can go back to slide.

[Speaker 8] (1:40:44 - 1:40:45)
It's an increase of three hundred.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:48 - 1:40:49)
One more.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:49 - 1:40:50)
One yep, keep going.

[Speaker 9] (1:40:50 - 1:40:51)
Please.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:51 - 1:40:52)
Please, one more.

[Speaker 9] (1:40:53 - 1:40:53)
Keep going.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:53 - 1:40:55)
Oh, whoa, way more slides than we thought.

[Speaker 9] (1:40:56 - 1:40:56)
Uh, oops.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:57 - 1:40:57)
One more.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:58 - 1:41:00)
So these were the three that were presented.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:00 - 1:41:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:01 - 1:41:02)
So it's one two three right?

[Speaker 6] (1:41:02 - 1:41:04)
And that's one two three across, yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:04 - 1:41:11)
So an at you say you're you're proposing option three which is a three hundred dollar annual increase. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:12 - 1:41:15)
And that's the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee's recommendation.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:15 - 1:41:16)
No that is

[Speaker 10] (1:41:16 - 1:41:16)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:16 - 1:41:17)
not what it's meant.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:17 - 1:41:17)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:17 - 1:41:18)
It's first of all the recommendations

[Speaker 6] (1:41:18 - 1:41:19)
No, what was and water

[Speaker 1] (1:41:19 - 1:41:22)
one and sewer two are recommended one, but we didn't have

[Speaker 4] (1:41:22 - 1:41:25)
Water and sewer recommended one, but you were recommending three. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:26 - 1:41:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:31 - 1:41:32)
Wanna make a motion?

[Speaker 4] (1:41:32 - 1:41:36)
So I'm making a m motion for level four.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:36 - 1:41:38)
Is there a language, Patrick, we should be reading?

[Speaker 4] (1:41:38 - 1:41:39)
Patrick, where is the language you want me to read?

[Speaker 11] (1:41:39 - 1:41:42)
Diane, if you just skip back to that last slide.

[Speaker 11] (1:41:45 - 1:41:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:47 - 1:41:47)
Should be.

[Speaker 11] (1:41:47 - 1:41:52)
You'll just wanna adopt the rates as shown in the meeting under option four, that would be the motion.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:52 - 1:41:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:53 - 1:41:55)
That is all we have in our packet tape. So

[Speaker 4] (1:41:56 - 1:42:00)
So what does it make a motion to adopt the rates as shown in option four?

[Speaker 6] (1:42:01 - 1:42:02)
In the packet.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:02 - 1:42:04)
In the packet on page nineteen.

[Speaker 11] (1:42:06 - 1:42:07)
Uh

[Speaker 4] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07)
Is that what it is, Diane?

[Speaker 4] (1:42:08 - 1:42:12)
I just wanna make sure we're really clear on this motion.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:13 - 1:42:14)
Page nineteen, right corner.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:14 - 1:42:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:42:14 - 1:42:15)
Yep. And

[Speaker 4] (1:42:15 - 1:42:15)
So that's

[Speaker 11] (1:42:15 - 1:42:21)
you can just add that the rates will be incorporated into the meeting minutes. I apologize I didn't put the language in the packet.

[Speaker 11] (1:42:21 - 1:42:22)
Usually do it.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:22 - 1:42:24)
Do we have the rates will be incorporated into the meeting

[Speaker 4] (1:42:24 - 1:42:27)
That the rates will be incorporated into the meeting minutes.

[Speaker 12] (1:42:28 - 1:42:29)
I second that.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:29 - 1:42:30)
We have a second.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:30 - 1:42:32)
Okay, all those in favour of option four?

[Speaker 4] (1:42:33 - 1:42:33)
Hi.

[Speaker 12] (1:42:34 - 1:42:34)
Hi.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:34 - 1:42:34)
Hi.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:36 - 1:42:36)
Opposed?

[Speaker 4] (1:42:36 - 1:42:36)
No.

[Speaker 12] (1:42:36 - 1:42:37)
I'm a no.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:37 - 1:42:37)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:37 - 1:42:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (1:42:38 - 1:42:49)
Yeah. I just worried we're continuing the past mistakes and we should be restoring these retained earnings and staying within our finan staying closer to our financial guidelines, so

[Speaker 6] (1:42:51 - 1:42:55)
So the motion has passed three to for option four.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:56 - 1:42:57)
Thank you Patrick.

[Speaker 13] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Maybe we should

[Speaker 11] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Welcome.

[Speaker 13] (1:42:58 - 1:43:00)
try to compromise it like 15 minutes.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:00 - 1:43:02)
Do you want to make a friendly amendment?

[Speaker 1] (1:43:02 - 1:43:03)
Oh, can we just go to the next one?

[Speaker 6] (1:43:04 - 1:43:06)
It's getting late already and we have

[Speaker 13] (1:43:06 - 1:43:06)
It's

[Speaker 6] (1:43:06 - 1:43:06)
barely

[Speaker 13] (1:43:06 - 1:43:06)
just getting going.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:06 - 1:43:16)
dug into this so next is discussion and possible vote on the employee handbook and revised motor vehicle record standalone policy. We have

[Speaker 6] (1:43:17 - 1:43:19)
Marianne here to help us through this portion.

[Speaker 12] (1:43:22 - 1:43:23)
Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:24 - 1:43:26)
Patrick, thank you. Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:26 - 1:43:34)
So Marianne McMaster, H_R_ Um I don't know if you wanna start with the handbook or the standalone policy first.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:37 - 1:43:39)
Let's start with the standalone policy first.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:46 - 1:43:57)
So last we spoke you had approved a bunch of standalone policies and within that packet was a motor vehicle policy but it was sort of a recommended policy from our insurance company.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:58 - 1:44:12)
And when I took a deeper look at it as I was going through and updating the other policies that were approved I just felt it wasn't specific enough. So I wrote a new policy and then sent it to legal counsel for review and this is their final.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:12 - 1:44:13)
draft back.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:14 - 1:44:23)
And this incorporates at a minimum what insurance required you elaborated to provide additional coverage for us.

[Speaker 13] (1:44:23 - 1:44:24)
That's

[Speaker 4] (1:44:24 - 1:44:30)
Yes, so at our last insurance deep dive, risk management had advised that we have a better policy in place for this.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:32 - 1:44:53)
The the one thing that will change and I'll have to apply for is um we then would have to have uh s setup on the driver verification system, also known as D_V_S_ and there's a bunch of paperwork that has to be done that Gina would have to sign off on for we'd have access to it, so that if we have to check someone's driving record based on if they're gonna be using town vehicles or not,

[Speaker 4] (1:44:54 - 1:44:55)
it would have to be checked.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:56 - 1:44:58)
Is there a cost to that?

[Speaker 4] (1:44:59 - 1:45:00)
minimal.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:01 - 1:45:05)
Is it just access is the cost or it's not per use or anything like that?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:05 - 1:45:14)
I I'll double check that question but I think it's eight dollars per request. But I I'm not quite sure how often we'd be doing it.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:14 - 1:45:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 13] (1:45:16 - 1:45:16)
Um

[Speaker 14] (1:45:16 - 1:45:18)
Did I miss a social media policy in here?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:21 - 1:45:22)
Or we just talk we just going

[Speaker 6] (1:45:22 - 1:45:22)
We're just,

[Speaker 4] (1:45:22 - 1:45:23)
over. Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:23 - 1:45:23)
no.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:23 - 1:45:25)
Not we're going over that. Yeah. The motor vehicle

[Speaker 6] (1:45:25 - 1:45:25)
This

[Speaker 4] (1:45:25 - 1:45:25)
one.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:25 - 1:45:31)
is employee, not select board. So, there was a social media policy at one time that we reviewed related to

[Speaker 4] (1:45:31 - 1:45:31)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:31 - 1:45:31)
the select

[Speaker 4] (1:45:31 - 1:45:32)
I haven't.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
board.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:32 - 1:45:34)
that's not on the agenda tonight,

[Speaker 4] (1:45:34 - 1:45:34)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:34 - 1:45:34)
so.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:35 - 1:45:36)
No, no, no. I'm talking about

[Speaker 6] (1:45:36 - 1:45:38)
Did you present a social media policy? No.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:38 - 1:45:48)
I didn't. There was a conversation a long time ago about Right. the one that I think you all were working on and then if when you got yours done we would probably adopt the same for the non-union employees.

[Speaker 12] (1:45:48 - 1:45:48)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (1:45:48 - 1:45:49)
Right.

[Speaker 13] (1:45:49 - 1:45:49)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (1:45:49 - 1:45:49)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:52 - 1:45:58)
Okay so do we want to consider these individually? There's a revised motor vehicle record standalone policy.

[Speaker 13] (1:45:58 - 1:45:59)
Yeah, let's do that.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:59 - 1:46:00)
Does

[Speaker 14] (1:46:00 - 1:46:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:00 - 1:46:02)
anybody have any questions or comments about that?

[Speaker 4] (1:46:02 - 1:46:09)
There's just the highlighted insert approving authority for you if you want that to be town administrator I don't assume so.

[Speaker 14] (1:46:09 - 1:46:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:09 - 1:46:13)
Yep, I mean I would think that that is Sounds a

[Speaker 14] (1:46:13 - 1:46:14)
like a good idea.

[Speaker 13] (1:46:14 - 1:46:14)
Done.

[Speaker 13] (1:46:16 - 1:46:20)
I'll make a motion to approve the motor vehicle record policy.

[Speaker 12] (1:46:21 - 1:46:21)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:22 - 1:46:23)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 12] (1:46:23 - 1:46:23)
Aye.

[Speaker 11] (1:46:23 - 1:46:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:24 - 1:46:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:24 - 1:46:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:24 - 1:46:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:24 - 1:46:25)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:28 - 1:46:29)
Personnel policies.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:29 - 1:46:30)
Personnel policies.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:30 - 1:46:37)
So on, I believe the first change was on page 31 under

[Speaker 4] (1:46:40 - 1:46:41)
vacation time.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:46 - 1:46:50)
The last proposal was that the employees start out with three weeks vacation

[Speaker 4] (1:46:53 - 1:46:59)
and uh the what was, just to refresh your memory, it was two weeks, depending on your levels.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:59 - 1:47:04)
So some levels got two, some levels got three, and then at the fifth year

[Speaker 4] (1:47:05 - 1:47:25)
Um a fourth, I'm sorry, a third week would be earned for those that didn't have the three weeks. And then at the ninth or ten year, you got the four weeks. So this is the revised version of that which again, if you want me to change anything, it now reads the first full calendar year through the ninth year is three weeks.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:26 - 1:47:30)
The tenth year through the fourteenth year is four weeks.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:30 - 1:47:32)
And then as of the 15th year,

[Speaker 4] (1:47:32 - 1:47:34)
it goes to five weeks.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:34 - 1:47:41)
We had a little discussion around whether or not you wanted to, this should bump to 20, but that never got answered, so I left it.

[Speaker 13] (1:47:43 - 1:47:53)
So the bottom line is now it's the same for everybody going forward and actually giving a little bit more vacation to people at the lower grades.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:54 - 1:47:57)
Yes, and I confirmed with legal that.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:58 - 1:48:01)
All of these changes shouldn't start until January.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:02 - 1:48:08)
So we don't go back and retro anybody for this year. They probably wouldn't, it wouldn't work out that way anyways.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:09 - 1:48:19)
And then they said there is no grandfather clause. So I went and checked our current policies and we don't have any language in there speaking to grandfathering. There is no grandfather clause.

[Speaker 14] (1:48:19 - 1:48:21)
We can add a grandfather clause though.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:21 - 1:48:22)
We could.

[Speaker 14] (1:48:22 - 1:48:24)
Okay. So I just want to say two.

[Speaker 14] (1:48:25 - 1:48:37)
I'm not in support of three weeks vacation for somebody who is in their early years and in getting the same amount of vacation for somebody who's seven,

[Speaker 14] (1:48:37 - 1:48:49)
eight and nine years, and I would really rather see it one through five years two weeks, six to eleven years three weeks, twelve to fifteen years four weeks.

[Speaker 14] (1:48:50 - 1:48:51)
Um

[Speaker 14] (1:48:52 - 1:48:54)
and anybody over that?

[Speaker 13] (1:48:55 - 1:48:58)
No, we can stop. It coincided with the D.P.W. contract.

[Speaker 14] (1:48:58 - 1:48:58)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (1:48:59 - 1:49:00)
Oh.

[Speaker 13] (1:49:00 - 1:49:02)
Not mine, that's D.P.W. guys.

[Speaker 14] (1:49:02 - 1:49:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 13] (1:49:02 - 1:49:03)
That's exactly their language.

[Speaker 14] (1:49:04 - 1:49:05)
That's their language?

[Speaker 13] (1:49:05 - 1:49:07)
Two for five, three for five, for ten three,

[Speaker 14] (1:49:08 - 1:49:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 13] (1:49:08 - 1:49:09)
four, and then after fifteen

[Speaker 3] (1:49:13 - 1:49:14)
Is that just T_W_ or is that

[Speaker 2] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (1:49:14 - 1:49:15)
the other

[Speaker 2] (1:49:15 - 1:49:16)
know the other contracts, they might know better than me.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:17 - 1:49:18)
It's a little tight in there.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:18 - 1:49:19)
It sounds like fire.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:19 - 1:49:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:21 - 1:49:26)
So you wanna you wanna repeat that? So that's one to five years get

[Speaker 4] (1:49:26 - 1:49:26)
Two weeks.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:26 - 1:49:27)
Two weeks.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:27 - 1:49:33)
two six to ten get three eleven to fifteen get four

[Speaker 3] (1:49:34 - 1:49:36)
Sixteen plus get five.

[Speaker 6] (1:49:36 - 1:49:37)
And that's it.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:37 - 1:49:38)
That's it for your maxim.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:39 - 1:50:07)
I think starting with two weeks is paltry to be quite honest for anybody of this t in this day and age. Um I don't think it puts us in an advantageous position when people are comparing us to neighbouring towns. Um but I do agree, uh you know, the one to five, six to ten, eleven to fifteen, sixteen plus, that's pretty standard, those you know set blocks. I do not want to see um where we where we currently are with, you know, based on your level of position.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:07 - 1:50:16)
um dictates how many weeks you get. I think that's completely unfair to those at the lower end of the totem pole. Um so that's that's

[Speaker 8] (1:50:16 - 1:50:16)
Is

[Speaker 7] (1:50:16 - 1:50:16)
my general

[Speaker 8] (1:50:16 - 1:50:16)
it position

[Speaker 7] (1:50:16 - 1:50:16)
feeling.

[Speaker 8] (1:50:16 - 1:50:17)
or time?

[Speaker 7] (1:50:18 - 1:50:18)
It was

[Speaker 9] (1:50:19 - 1:50:19)
It was

[Speaker 7] (1:50:19 - 1:50:24)
currently it's both, right? The way we The existing policy that was updated in twenty twenty

[Speaker 8] (1:50:24 - 1:50:24)
capacity.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:24 - 1:50:26)
two The structure of position.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:26 - 1:50:27)
had

[Speaker 8] (1:50:27 - 1:50:27)
Oh, I'm

[Speaker 7] (1:50:27 - 1:50:27)
structure

[Speaker 8] (1:50:27 - 1:50:27)
just

[Speaker 7] (1:50:27 - 1:50:28)
of position.

[Speaker 8] (1:50:28 - 1:50:32)
right. I I'm just looking at length of service, that's the only thing I'm looking at right here.

[Speaker 10] (1:50:33 - 1:50:49)
I agree with Danielle. I think I think for those individuals starting their careers, one to five years, two weeks is very paltry. Um you know we're we're gonna struggle to fill some of these some of these roles because of because of these uh

[Speaker 7] (1:50:49 - 1:50:49)
Salaries.

[Speaker 10] (1:50:49 - 1:50:53)
yeah, but because of these salaries and because of these uh PTO policies.

[Speaker 8] (1:50:53 - 1:50:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (1:50:53 - 1:50:56)
Um so I just think we have to be

[Speaker 10] (1:50:57 - 1:51:14)
I feel we have to be much more competitive uh there. You know, if the salaries are going to be uh, you know, a little lower, um there should be some benefit uh to the employee of the town, and I think three weeks would be would be that minimum level. Uh just just in my in

[Speaker 7] (1:51:14 - 1:51:14)
There's

[Speaker 10] (1:51:14 - 1:51:14)
my

[Speaker 7] (1:51:14 - 1:51:21)
just gonna be very little that we can do to separate ourselves or put ourselves in a more advantageous position, and it's certainly not gonna be through salary.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:22 - 1:51:32)
So any area that we can, you know, potentially augment, you know, what we're offering is gonna be in the whole package, which is vacation, sick, all of that.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:33 - 1:51:34)
So

[Speaker 8] (1:51:34 - 1:51:34)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:51:34 - 1:51:34)
let's

[Speaker 8] (1:51:34 - 1:51:34)
we have

[Speaker 7] (1:51:34 - 1:51:35)
not forget

[Speaker 8] (1:51:35 - 1:51:35)
vacation,

[Speaker 7] (1:51:35 - 1:51:35)
that.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:35 - 1:51:40)
we have vacation, we have sick, we have the three we th we have also have the three personal days.

[Speaker 11] (1:51:41 - 1:51:42)
That's part of the new policy

[Speaker 8] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
We have five

[Speaker 11] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
that would

[Speaker 8] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
personal

[Speaker 11] (1:51:42 - 1:51:43)
start in January, yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:43 - 1:51:45)
that would be the new one, right? So it's

[Speaker 3] (1:51:45 - 1:51:45)
Interesting.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:48 - 1:51:48)
That's

[Speaker 8] (1:51:48 - 1:51:48)
So,

[Speaker 7] (1:51:48 - 1:51:51)
all standard stuff. That's not anything above and beyond. That's

[Speaker 8] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
I don't

[Speaker 7] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
bare

[Speaker 8] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
remember

[Speaker 7] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
minimum

[Speaker 8] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
have

[Speaker 7] (1:51:52 - 1:51:58)
of that. what you have to offer people these days. We have flex time and comp time too, which not everybody does, but it's

[Speaker 7] (1:51:58 - 1:51:59)
No.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:00 - 1:52:08)
We also don't have paid F, uh paid maternity and things of that nature that are like, you know, prime things that people ask for nowadays. So

[Speaker 8] (1:52:08 - 1:52:13)
So one of the problems is I know I don't have the the

[Speaker 8] (1:52:14 - 1:52:20)
the grid in front of me of all what the super community well all of our super pools look like. You have that?

[Speaker 12] (1:52:20 - 1:52:21)
Do you like it?

[Speaker 3] (1:52:21 - 1:52:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:23 - 1:52:26)
You've given us that how many times actually, Marianne?

[Speaker 3] (1:52:31 - 1:52:34)
Since you only have one copy of it, Marianne, can you like,

[Speaker 8] (1:52:34 - 1:52:34)
You could tell

[Speaker 3] (1:52:34 - 1:52:35)
can you

[Speaker 8] (1:52:35 - 1:52:35)
us what you get.

[Speaker 12] (1:52:35 - 1:52:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:35 - 1:52:36)
you can, or

[Speaker 8] (1:52:36 - 1:52:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:36 - 1:52:42)
I don't know if I mean I was just going to ask her to to summarise basically, you know from your professional judgement.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:43 - 1:52:52)
uh you know what our total package here, you know with let's say starting with what you have in front of us,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:54 - 1:53:00)
where does that put us in terms of levels of attractiveness, competitiveness, generosity, etcetera?

[Speaker 13] (1:53:01 - 1:53:08)
I think you alluded to some of it. We're not on the high end of salary, so our salaries that we've gone back and forth with,

[Speaker 13] (1:53:08 - 1:53:11)
depending on the job, are not as attractive as other towns.

[Speaker 13] (1:53:12 - 1:53:16)
Three weeks is definitely attractive to a candidate,

[Speaker 13] (1:53:16 - 1:53:19)
but it could also be negotiated in the hiring process.

[Speaker 13] (1:53:19 - 1:53:26)
If somebody was pretty adamant about it, it would be up to the town administrator to say yes or no if somebody's trying to negotiate an extra week's vacation.

[Speaker 13] (1:53:28 - 1:53:30)
So, I mean that could get negotiated in

[Speaker 2] (1:53:30 - 1:53:31)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 13] (1:53:31 - 1:53:31)
the process.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:31 - 1:53:33)
that's what I would recommend not doing.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:33 - 1:53:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:53:33 - 1:53:33)
Personally.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:33 - 1:53:34)
I agree,

[Speaker 2] (1:53:34 - 1:53:34)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:34 - 1:53:47)
I'm one of those that tends to not want to have that option because once you do that for someone you kind of set a precedent and you start that ball rolling and you before you know what you have to negotiate for all.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:47 - 1:53:48)
That's just me.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:49 - 1:53:51)
I don't know whether it says on a sheet or whatever, just

[Speaker 8] (1:53:51 - 1:53:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:51 - 1:53:55)
across the board or other communities, are most people doing three weeks right th right tempo?

[Speaker 13] (1:53:55 - 1:53:58)
I I did find a lot of communities or at least our super peers are

[Speaker 8] (1:53:58 - 1:53:58)
Wait.

[Speaker 13] (1:53:58 - 1:54:04)
really even there are no levels of like, oh, you're only this position, you get this, everybody got the same right from the start.

[Speaker 14] (1:54:04 - 1:54:06)
Yeah, it looks like most of them are two weeks.

[Speaker 13] (1:54:06 - 1:54:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:07 - 1:54:07)
Two weeks.

[Speaker 14] (1:54:08 - 1:54:12)
Two weeks. But if we are trying to put ourselves in an advantageous position,

[Speaker 14] (1:54:12 - 1:54:14)
and we know we can't do that under salary,

[Speaker 8] (1:54:14 - 1:54:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 14] (1:54:14 - 1:54:17)
then this might be a small

[Speaker 14] (1:54:19 - 1:54:21)
a give that might yield us a benefit. So

[Speaker 3] (1:54:22 - 1:54:24)
Do we know if other people have the three personal days?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:24 - 1:54:24)
Is

[Speaker 7] (1:54:24 - 1:54:25)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 3] (1:54:25 - 1:54:25)
that on

[Speaker 7] (1:54:25 - 1:54:25)
pretty

[Speaker 3] (1:54:25 - 1:54:25)
there?

[Speaker 13] (1:54:25 - 1:54:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:54:25 - 1:54:26)
much a that's good

[Speaker 13] (1:54:26 - 1:54:28)
why we went to three, 'cause five was excessive.

[Speaker 13] (1:54:28 - 1:54:29)
Nobody had five

[Speaker 7] (1:54:29 - 1:54:29)
Nobody

[Speaker 13] (1:54:29 - 1:54:29)
like we did.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:31 - 1:54:34)
So most other people do have the three personal days as well as the two weeks. So we're not okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:36 - 1:54:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:38 - 1:54:39)
So it's kind of like

[Speaker 7] (1:54:40 - 1:54:42)
half a dozen to one and you know what I mean you're

[Speaker 14] (1:54:42 - 1:54:42)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:42 - 1:54:50)
you're gonna cut back personal days two by two days so you know you might as well add it to the vacation do you know what I mean that's my thought process.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:51 - 1:54:53)
So would that be your recommendation to compromise?

[Speaker 7] (1:54:54 - 1:54:55)
Um that would be. Um

[Speaker 10] (1:54:55 - 1:54:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:55 - 1:54:57)
however you know I still

[Speaker 7] (1:54:58 - 1:55:05)
I'm not a fan of doing partial weeks for vacation so um I do think that we should adopt the three personal days.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:06 - 1:55:20)
And I think we should, I'm happy to structure, you know, three weeks one to five, maybe four weeks six to ten, um you know, eleven to fifteen, or or or at that point you can just cut it off right there and say

[Speaker 3] (1:55:20 - 1:55:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:20 - 1:55:21)
ten plus,

[Speaker 14] (1:55:21 - 1:55:21)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:21 - 1:55:22)
you know,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:22 - 1:55:22)
Eleven

[Speaker 8] (1:55:22 - 1:55:22)
max

[Speaker 3] (1:55:22 - 1:55:22)
plus.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:22 - 1:55:27)
it out at five. Or, you know, do something like that. Doesn't have to be structured this way.

[Speaker 14] (1:55:30 - 1:55:36)
Yeah, I think the only thing I'm fine with starting with three weeks. I think the only thing is like ten years is a long time to wait to get a bump.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:37 - 1:55:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 14] (1:55:37 - 1:55:38)
So I

[Speaker 7] (1:55:38 - 1:55:38)
One

[Speaker 14] (1:55:38 - 1:55:41)
would I think you know if you wanted to do five years or

[Speaker 7] (1:55:42 - 1:55:43)
to five,

[Speaker 7] (1:55:43 - 1:55:43)
three,

[Speaker 7] (1:55:43 - 1:55:44)
six to ten, four.

[Speaker 14] (1:55:45 - 1:55:46)
and then at

[Speaker 7] (1:55:46 - 1:55:46)
Eleven.

[Speaker 14] (1:55:46 - 1:55:51)
at the 15th year five fifteen or whatever like it however

[Speaker 7] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
Fifteen plus.

[Speaker 14] (1:55:51 - 1:55:57)
fifteen plus you get the five week bump. So as long as somebody

[Speaker 14] (1:55:57 - 1:55:57)
All

[Speaker 13] (1:55:57 - 1:55:58)
So

[Speaker 14] (1:55:58 - 1:55:58)
right, you

[Speaker 13] (1:55:58 - 1:55:58)
these,

[Speaker 14] (1:55:58 - 1:55:58)
can just down

[Speaker 13] (1:55:58 - 1:55:58)
well,

[Speaker 14] (1:55:58 - 1:55:59)
for Marianne. There she goes.

[Speaker 13] (1:55:59 - 1:56:02)
I've written it down a couple times. I just want to double check where we're at.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:03 - 1:56:05)
That that's just my opinion is

[Speaker 3] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
So

[Speaker 14] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
like

[Speaker 3] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
one

[Speaker 14] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
I to think

[Speaker 3] (1:56:05 - 1:56:06)
five, one to five three,

[Speaker 8] (1:56:06 - 1:56:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:06 - 1:56:08)
six to fifteen,

[Speaker 8] (1:56:08 - 1:56:08)
four.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:08 - 1:56:08)
four.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:08 - 1:56:10)
Whoa, pen's exploding.

[Speaker 8] (1:56:10 - 1:56:11)
Six plus

[Speaker 3] (1:56:11 - 1:56:11)
Uh, sixteen

[Speaker 8] (1:56:11 - 1:56:12)
five.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:12 - 1:56:13)
plus five.

[Speaker 8] (1:56:13 - 1:56:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:14 - 1:56:14)
Sold.

[Speaker 13] (1:56:16 - 1:56:20)
So 1 to 5, 3. 6 to 15,

[Speaker 13] (1:56:20 - 1:56:20)
4.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:20 - 1:56:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 13] (1:56:20 - 1:56:21)
16 plus, 5.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:21 - 1:56:21)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:21 - 1:56:25)
Well, I would s yeah, I would guess I guess I would say six to fourteens, and that the fifteenth

[Speaker 7] (1:56:25 - 1:56:25)
Six

[Speaker 14] (1:56:25 - 1:56:25)
year,

[Speaker 7] (1:56:25 - 1:56:25)
to fourteen

[Speaker 14] (1:56:25 - 1:56:26)
yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:56:26 - 1:56:26)
in the interest

[Speaker 14] (1:56:26 - 1:56:26)
six to fourteen

[Speaker 7] (1:56:26 - 1:56:27)
rate.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:27 - 1:56:30)
four, and then at the fifteenth year, five.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:34 - 1:56:35)
I mean I think that is pretty standard.

[Speaker 8] (1:56:39 - 1:56:40)
You think that's pretty standard maybe

[Speaker 14] (1:56:40 - 1:56:41)
I do.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:41 - 1:56:49)
I mean, not in, maybe not WV in municipal life, but I mean, we don't have a lot of leverage for hiring these days.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:49 - 1:56:53)
And so I think we shouldn't cut our nose to spite our face.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:53 - 1:56:57)
A week's vacation time, first of all, you're not even guaranteed they're going to take it.

[Speaker 14] (1:56:58 - 1:57:00)
That's the first thing. It's just what you're offering them.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:01 - 1:57:04)
And then second of all, we're talking about

[Speaker 14] (1:57:06 - 1:57:10)
When people take vacation they come back happier employees, they do better work, they're more efficient.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:11 - 1:57:16)
They you know like they replenish their time with their families or f like I just feel like it's important that

[Speaker 10] (1:57:16 - 1:57:16)
Speaking from experience?

[Speaker 14] (1:57:16 - 1:57:20)
yeah I did just come back from vacation so I can't speak from experience.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:21 - 1:57:27)
So I d I think it's important that we value that and we've been highly criticised for not putting enough value in employees

[Speaker 8] (1:57:27 - 1:57:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:28 - 1:57:34)
recently and if this is something we can do that has a no cost to the taxpayer we should consider doing it.

[Speaker 13] (1:57:35 - 1:57:35)
And

[Speaker 7] (1:57:35 - 1:57:35)
Well,

[Speaker 13] (1:57:35 - 1:57:36)
I'm not

[Speaker 8] (1:57:36 - 1:57:36)
there's so a cost

[Speaker 13] (1:57:36 - 1:57:36)
sure.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:36 - 1:57:37)
to taxpayer.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:37 - 1:57:38)
I mean, when somebody's,

[Speaker 14] (1:57:38 - 1:57:39)
Well, I, right.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:39 - 1:57:41)
right.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:41 - 1:57:42)
But let's be clear,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:42 - 1:57:44)
turnover costs the taxpayer.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:44 - 1:57:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:46 - 1:57:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 13] (1:57:47 - 1:57:52)
I don't think we've ever had an issue with somebody taking too much vacation and their job wasn't getting done.

[Speaker 13] (1:57:53 - 1:57:58)
I don't think we've ever had that, that I'm aware of.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:59 - 1:58:00)
That's a good point.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:03 - 1:58:07)
Have we reached a relative consensus on that point?

[Speaker 13] (1:58:09 - 1:58:11)
So I'll make that change.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:11 - 1:58:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:13 - 1:58:14)
On to 33.

[Speaker 13] (1:58:14 - 1:58:17)
On to the other change was personally on page 33.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:19 - 1:58:20)
I guess

[Speaker 13] (1:58:20 - 1:58:22)
And I just changed the language to the three days.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:22 - 1:58:24)
Sorry, I have sick time highlighted.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:25 - 1:58:31)
Oh. That was the conversation last week. It was I mean two weeks ago was one and we brought it to one and a quarter because that's what the policy is today, right?

[Speaker 10] (1:58:31 - 1:58:31)
That's what it says.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:31 - 1:58:31)
Right, correct.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:31 - 1:58:32)
That's what they're accruing.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:32 - 1:58:33)
Oh, is the accrual right?

[Speaker 14] (1:58:33 - 1:58:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 13] (1:58:33 - 1:58:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:35 - 1:58:35)
And then if it

[Speaker 8] (1:58:35 - 1:58:35)
I

[Speaker 14] (1:58:35 - 1:58:36)
is

[Speaker 8] (1:58:36 - 1:58:40)
have just one question on that. Do we have to say who they have to provide a doctor's note to?

[Speaker 8] (1:58:41 - 1:58:41)
Does that matter?

[Speaker 8] (1:58:42 - 1:58:44)
Like does it say who has to require it?

[Speaker 10] (1:58:45 - 1:58:45)
Yeah, you try.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:45 - 1:58:45)
They may

[Speaker 3] (1:58:45 - 1:58:46)
So

[Speaker 14] (1:58:46 - 1:58:46)
require

[Speaker 3] (1:58:46 - 1:58:46)
it's the HR.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:46 - 1:58:46)
to provide

[Speaker 8] (1:58:46 - 1:58:46)
to

[Speaker 14] (1:58:46 - 1:58:47)
a certain

[Speaker 8] (1:58:47 - 1:58:48)
human You resources. have to return it to HR.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:48 - 1:58:48)
yep.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:49 - 1:58:50)
Upon their return to HR.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:50 - 1:58:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:50 - 1:58:51)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (1:58:54 - 1:59:00)
And we should just have a best practice in HR for how when we require it, how we ask

[Speaker 8] (1:59:00 - 1:59:00)
Well,

[Speaker 14] (1:59:00 - 1:59:00)
for

[Speaker 8] (1:59:00 - 1:59:01)
that's my question.

[Speaker 14] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01)
the return.

[Speaker 8] (1:59:01 - 1:59:02)
They may be required.

[Speaker 8] (1:59:02 - 1:59:03)
Like, who makes the requirement?

[Speaker 3] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:04 - 1:59:05)
Who makes the determination

[Speaker 2] (1:59:05 - 1:59:06)
Who makes

[Speaker 1] (1:59:06 - 1:59:07)
of the requirement?

[Speaker 2] (1:59:07 - 1:59:08)
Right, it should say they are required.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:08 - 1:59:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:08 - 1:59:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:09 - 1:59:09)
they are.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:09 - 1:59:10)
it should just say are and not may.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:10 - 1:59:10)
Is that not may?

[Speaker 4] (1:59:10 - 1:59:11)
May.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:11 - 1:59:11)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:11 - 1:59:11)
It should be

[Speaker 2] (1:59:11 - 1:59:11)
yep,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:11 - 1:59:11)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:11 - 1:59:12)
they are required.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:13 - 1:59:14)
It's not optional.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:15 - 1:59:18)
Yeah, because when we say may, then there's there this

[Speaker 2] (1:59:18 - 1:59:18)
There's too

[Speaker 1] (1:59:18 - 1:59:18)
objective

[Speaker 2] (1:59:18 - 1:59:19)
much subjective.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:19 - 1:59:20)
shal

[Speaker 1] (1:59:21 - 1:59:23)
It just gives room for

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:28)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:29 - 1:59:30)
Then we go to personal leave.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:31 - 1:59:35)
From page thirty three. I'm thirty yeah it's thirty two on ours,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:35 - 1:59:35)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:59:35 - 1:59:35)
but

[Speaker 2] (1:59:35 - 1:59:36)
right. Thirty two is

[Speaker 6] (1:59:36 - 1:59:37)
that was where we just were.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:38 - 1:59:40)
No sorry, we were in thirty one specific time.

[Speaker 7] (1:59:40 - 1:59:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:40 - 1:59:42)
So now we're in thirty two personal leave.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:43 - 1:59:44)
Okay, so minus

[Speaker 7] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
You may have just

[Speaker 6] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
mine

[Speaker 7] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
printed

[Speaker 6] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
and I'm not

[Speaker 7] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
it out.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:44 - 1:59:45)
there. Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:59:45 - 1:59:45)
already.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:45 - 1:59:45)
So I

[Speaker 1] (1:59:45 - 1:59:45)
me yeah, printed

[Speaker 6] (1:59:45 - 1:59:45)
don't have it.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:45 - 1:59:45)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:59:45 - 1:59:46)
it out,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:46 - 1:59:46)
is.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:46 - 1:59:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:46 - 1:59:47)
so yours is probably just

[Speaker 6] (1:59:47 - 1:59:47)
Okay, it's different last.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:47 - 1:59:48)
personal. But we're on personal.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:50 - 1:59:54)
So as discussed that goes from five to three.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:56 - 1:59:58)
Which seems to be on par with our supervisor.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:58 - 1:59:58)
Everybody else?

[Speaker 8] (1:59:59 - 1:59:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:01 - 2:00:01)
That's it, right?

[Speaker 6] (2:00:02 - 2:00:02)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (2:00:02 - 2:00:02)
That's it.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:02 - 2:00:05)
yeah. I dragged a couple more images through the car.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:09 - 2:00:10)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:00:14 - 2:00:15)
Yeah, no, that's it.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:16 - 2:00:18)
And what about the grandfathering?

[Speaker 6] (2:00:18 - 2:00:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:18 - 2:00:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:19 - 2:00:19)
Um

[Speaker 8] (2:00:25 - 2:00:27)
Is your recommendation we should do the

[Speaker 9] (2:00:29 - 2:00:31)
Um I think you could

[Speaker 8] (2:00:31 - 2:00:43)
It's gonna be retroactive basis. Is it gonna apply to everybody? 'Cause now you're gonna have people side by side doing the same job. One's been there, they got hired last year, they

[Speaker 8] (2:00:44 - 2:00:46)
got one set of benefits.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:46 - 2:00:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:46 - 2:00:48)
Someone's hired this year, he's got a different one.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:50 - 2:00:51)
What's that?

[Speaker 8] (2:00:52 - 2:00:52)
It's only a week?

[Speaker 2] (2:00:53 - 2:00:54)
I was born in April.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
1st.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:54 - 2:00:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:55 - 2:00:56)
I don't know.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:58 - 2:01:08)
So the recommendation from legal was to start the new personal days and the new vacation time, because we right now, the way we've been doing these and people accrue it is calendar year,

[Speaker 6] (2:01:08 - 2:01:09)
not fiscal year.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:10 - 2:01:14)
So when January 1 hits, that's when all this change takes place.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:15 - 2:01:19)
There is no language in our current policy that grandfathers anybody into.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:20 - 2:01:27)
the way it was, and if we're changing vacation to three weeks, it's a benefit to the people that didn't have it, it's not

[Speaker 1] (2:01:28 - 2:01:29)
Yeah, I guess.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:29 - 2:01:30)
So change Okay, it to three

[Speaker 1] (2:01:30 - 2:01:30)
If

[Speaker 8] (2:01:30 - 2:01:30)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:01:30 - 2:01:30)
there

[Speaker 2] (2:01:30 - 2:01:30)
weeks.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:30 - 2:01:34)
is no net loss, they don't lose. You lose personal days, but you gain a vacation week in

[Speaker 2] (2:01:34 - 2:01:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:34 - 2:01:35)
theory.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
Well, for

[Speaker 8] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
so we'll

[Speaker 6] (2:01:35 - 2:01:36)
some.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:36 - 2:01:37)
apply. Every everyone

[Speaker 1] (2:01:37 - 2:01:37)
It's a richer.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:37 - 2:01:38)
will be on the same.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:38 - 2:01:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:38 - 2:01:38)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:01:38 - 2:01:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:38 - 2:01:40)
right, okay. That's what I was trying to get.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:40 - 2:01:40)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:40 - 2:01:42)
Yes, everybody will be on the same as of January

[Speaker 1] (2:01:42 - 2:01:42)
one. Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:42 - 2:01:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:46 - 2:01:49)
You don't want grandfather language, right? You're not saying you want it?

[Speaker 2] (2:01:49 - 2:01:49)
You don't read it.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:50 - 2:01:50)
Nope.

[Speaker 10] (2:01:50 - 2:01:50)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (2:01:50 - 2:01:51)
No, I don't think you did.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:51 - 2:01:52)
Of course anybody's

[Speaker 2] (2:01:52 - 2:01:52)
I need

[Speaker 1] (2:01:52 - 2:01:52)
going to

[Speaker 2] (2:01:52 - 2:01:53)
it. Because it's there's a benefit

[Speaker 10] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
What?

[Speaker 2] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
here.

[Speaker 10] (2:01:53 - 2:01:54)
How we can come here to start?

[Speaker 6] (2:01:55 - 2:01:56)
From hire date?

[Speaker 10] (2:01:56 - 2:01:58)
But is it only for like there's a carrier?

[Speaker 6] (2:02:01 - 2:02:08)
It has, so Marcy's asking the question, does, how do you count years of service and does it carry over from other municipalities?

[Speaker 6] (2:02:09 - 2:02:11)
And it does, depending on the jobs and the background.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:12 - 2:02:14)
We've had people come from other municipalities and

[Speaker 10] (2:02:14 - 2:02:14)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:02:14 - 2:02:15)
their years of service carry.

[Speaker 10] (2:02:15 - 2:02:17)
years of service in the position,

[Speaker 10] (2:02:17 - 2:02:19)
right, it should be clarified,

[Speaker 10] (2:02:19 - 2:02:20)
in the position here,

[Speaker 10] (2:02:20 - 2:02:22)
right, that would be my recommendation.

[Speaker 10] (2:02:23 - 2:02:24)
Like if someone was say,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:25 - 2:02:32)
um I don't know director of finance in Saugus for five years and then they come here and they're y on

[Speaker 1] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
They don't

[Speaker 2] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
year one.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:32 - 2:02:33)
start on five s

[Speaker 2] (2:02:33 - 2:02:33)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:33 - 2:02:34)
step they start in your

[Speaker 2] (2:02:34 - 2:02:37)
We're not gonna honour Saugus's five years,

[Speaker 6] (2:02:37 - 2:02:38)
No, but they might

[Speaker 2] (2:02:38 - 2:02:40)
we're calculating our vacation time.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:40 - 2:02:42)
try to negotiate that in their job offer. That

[Speaker 2] (2:02:42 - 2:02:42)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:42 - 2:02:42)
could be a topic

[Speaker 2] (2:02:42 - 2:02:42)
And we're

[Speaker 6] (2:02:42 - 2:02:43)
of conversation.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:43 - 2:02:45)
gonna say flat out no because we don't negotiate.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
In

[Speaker 10] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:47)
what corporation?

[Speaker 10] (2:02:47 - 2:02:48)
to be more competitive,

[Speaker 10] (2:02:48 - 2:02:50)
I think we should be negotiating.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:51 - 2:02:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:02:51 - 2:02:54)
If somebody's coming in and we wanna get them get a higher level of employee.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:56 - 2:02:58)
Yeah, but maybe we're gonna compensate with salary.

[Speaker 10] (2:02:58 - 2:02:59)
Yeah, so that's

[Speaker 6] (2:02:59 - 2:02:59)
True.

[Speaker 10] (2:02:59 - 2:03:00)
all in the negotiation.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:00 - 2:03:01)
It's all in negotiation, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:01 - 2:03:04)
But I'm saying we're not gonna negotiate vacation policies.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:04 - 2:03:04)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:03:04 - 2:03:05)
Right, that's

[Speaker 6] (2:03:05 - 2:03:05)
no

[Speaker 2] (2:03:05 - 2:03:05)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:03:05 - 2:03:05)
not

[Speaker 2] (2:03:05 - 2:03:05)
reason

[Speaker 6] (2:03:05 - 2:03:06)
negotiating.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:06 - 2:03:07)
those boundaries exist.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:07 - 2:03:08)
Vacation policy.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:08 - 2:03:11)
Right, people, everyone can negotiate salary, that's fair game, but

[Speaker 10] (2:03:12 - 2:03:12)
This is a

[Speaker 2] (2:03:12 - 2:03:12)
All

[Speaker 10] (2:03:12 - 2:03:12)
standard.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:12 - 2:03:15)
you're talking about is you're negotiating the level in which you're coming in

[Speaker 6] (2:03:15 - 2:03:16)
It's

[Speaker 2] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
at.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:16 - 2:03:24)
common for some people when they come on board in any job to try to negotiate an extra vacation week. It happens. I'm not saying it

[Speaker 10] (2:03:24 - 2:03:25)
Sure, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:25 - 2:03:34)
happens a lot in all sorts of different jobs. People might say not only do I want this salary but I want five weeks vacation or whatever the case may be because of where they're coming from.

[Speaker 10] (2:03:35 - 2:03:36)
Of course, they can ask for the moon,

[Speaker 6] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
Mm

[Speaker 10] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:37 - 2:03:47)
But the standard should be that you know salary and compensation is certainly negotiable, but this type of stuff you want to be consistent.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:47 - 2:03:48)
I would think so too, but

[Speaker 2] (2:03:48 - 2:03:49)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:49 - 2:03:49)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:49 - 2:03:51)
That's my practice, but

[Speaker 1] (2:03:53 - 2:03:54)
Okay, so we will

[Speaker 1] (2:03:55 - 2:03:59)
So then the request is that length of service in Swampscott,

[Speaker 2] (2:03:59 - 2:03:59)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:59 - 2:04:00)
what you

[Speaker 2] (2:04:00 - 2:04:01)
in the position here.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:01 - 2:04:06)
in the position in Swampscott is what the handbook should state and not length of service anywhere.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:06 - 2:04:13)
For example, if you were to be the land use coordinator in Swampscott and you eventually rose up to senior planner,

[Speaker 2] (2:04:13 - 2:04:16)
those years as land use would count towards,

[Speaker 10] (2:04:16 - 2:04:16)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:16 - 2:04:17)
but,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:17 - 2:04:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:17 - 2:04:19)
you know, coming from outside,

[Speaker 2] (2:04:19 - 2:04:19)
no.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:20 - 2:04:21)
You would not.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:21 - 2:04:22)
Where do you want that language?

[Speaker 1] (2:04:22 - 2:04:28)
I think just in the header, where it says length of service to town, to town of Somscot or

[Speaker 2] (2:04:30 - 2:04:36)
Anywhere that we have a graph that shows length of service, you know, where we're giving X number of weeks based on length of service,

[Speaker 2] (2:04:36 - 2:04:37)
it should denote.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:38 - 2:04:40)
Probably add it into longevity then.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:40 - 2:04:41)
That as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:41 - 2:04:43)
Or you could just uh

[Speaker 1] (2:04:45 - 2:04:55)
hat to legalese that you could just make a note somewhere in the general provisions or in the beginning to say any reference to length of service is defined as length of service in the town of Swampscott

[Speaker 2] (2:04:55 - 2:04:55)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:55 - 2:04:58)
and then you wouldn't have to make the change in every

[Speaker 2] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
In

[Speaker 1] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
single

[Speaker 2] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
every single

[Speaker 1] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
place.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
spot.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:59 - 2:04:59)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:00 - 2:05:00)
Wait,

[Speaker 8] (2:05:04 - 2:05:05)
All right, I love to make a motion.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:05 - 2:05:07)
so let's do it, Doug.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:07 - 2:05:07)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:07 - 2:05:10)
are the handbo I have one question on page forty eight.

[Speaker 10] (2:05:11 - 2:05:31)
if you look under appropriant leave, it says bereavement leave is generally not to be taken more than one week following the death or funeral of a family member. Um I just wanna know, can we add something in there, unless the town administrator authorises um Because what you're finding you're finding a little bit more, you find staff

[Speaker 2] (2:05:31 - 2:05:45)
There is a a a death in the family or passing, and then they're not actually having a memorial or a a funeral until a month later when the family can come together. I just wanna can we I just don't want it to be too tight.

[Speaker 6] (2:05:45 - 2:05:47)
What line are you on first

[Speaker 2] (2:05:47 - 2:05:47)
D_

[Speaker 6] (2:05:47 - 2:05:47)
before I say?

[Speaker 2] (2:05:47 - 2:05:48)
D_ I d

[Speaker 1] (2:05:48 - 2:05:51)
To be fair, I think the language uh

[Speaker 2] (2:05:51 - 2:05:52)
says generally.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:52 - 2:05:53)
Generally, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:53 - 2:05:53)
But is

[Speaker 1] (2:05:53 - 2:05:55)
not to sound uh

[Speaker 2] (2:05:55 - 2:05:55)
Like a lawyer.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:55 - 2:05:58)
too critical, it doesn't mean anything.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:58 - 2:06:02)
Because it doesn't say it's prohibited,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:02 - 2:06:03)
it doesn't say shall,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:03 - 2:06:04)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:04 - 2:06:10)
it doesn't say a definitive thing. It just says in generality this is a standard that

[Speaker 10] (2:06:10 - 2:06:10)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:10 - 2:06:11)
we may uphold.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:11 - 2:06:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:11 - 2:06:11)
So it's

[Speaker 10] (2:06:11 - 2:06:11)
Do

[Speaker 1] (2:06:11 - 2:06:12)
very

[Speaker 10] (2:06:12 - 2:06:12)
you feel like

[Speaker 1] (2:06:12 - 2:06:12)
deliberate.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:12 - 2:06:13)
it's okay? The

[Speaker 1] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
I

[Speaker 10] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
flexibility

[Speaker 1] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
mean, I

[Speaker 10] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
don't,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:13 - 2:06:14)
already in there.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:14 - 2:06:14)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:14 - 2:06:15)
I'm good with it. I'm good with that then.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:15 - 2:06:18)
Yeah, and we have had, it's up to the town administrator,

[Speaker 6] (2:06:18 - 2:06:26)
we've had instances where somebody literally did say just that. It's not going to be happening for a couple months, and by all means you're going to take it when you have.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:25 - 2:06:26)
You have to take

[Speaker 10] (2:06:26 - 2:06:26)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:26 - 2:06:26)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:27 - 2:06:30)
Well, we actually had an employee that was challenged on it, so that's one of the reasons

[Speaker 6] (2:06:30 - 2:06:31)
why Oh God, okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:31 - 2:06:33)
um I brought that up.

[Speaker 8] (2:06:34 - 2:06:40)
Okay, uh move to accept the handbook as we have amended it in this conversation.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:41 - 2:06:41)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:42 - 2:06:44)
All those in favour? And

[Speaker 11] (2:06:44 - 2:06:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:46 - 2:06:47)
approving the handbook. I?

[Speaker 8] (2:06:47 - 2:06:48)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:48 - 2:06:48)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:48 - 2:06:48)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:48 - 2:06:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:51 - 2:06:51)
Thank you, Mary Ann.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:51 - 2:06:52)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (2:06:52 - 2:06:52)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (2:06:52 - 2:06:52)
you.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:52 - 2:06:52)
you.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:52 - 2:06:53)
Mary Ann for all

[Speaker 2] (2:06:53 - 2:06:53)
Lots,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:53 - 2:06:54)
this work,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:54 - 2:06:54)
lots

[Speaker 1] (2:06:54 - 2:06:54)
all this

[Speaker 2] (2:06:54 - 2:06:54)
of work

[Speaker 1] (2:06:54 - 2:06:54)
these

[Speaker 2] (2:06:54 - 2:06:54)
there.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:54 - 2:06:56)
policies bringing us

[Speaker 1] (2:06:56 - 2:06:59)
All right, I'll just up to speed here.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:59 - 2:07:00)
Great job, Mary Ann.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:01 - 2:07:02)
Alright,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:02 - 2:07:02)
uh

[Speaker 2] (2:07:02 - 2:07:10)
Wait, can I just catch one wha s Have we When was the last time we had a Is this our first employee handbook or is just The first employee handbook?

[Speaker 8] (2:07:10 - 2:07:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:10 - 2:07:12)
We've had drafts,

[Speaker 10] (2:07:12 - 2:07:12)
Draft.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:12 - 2:07:13)
we've had personnel

[Speaker 8] (2:07:13 - 2:07:15)
Oh, personnel policy, right.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:15 - 2:07:15)
personnel policies.

[Speaker 10] (2:07:15 - 2:07:17)
We did have a lot of different cases right.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:19 - 2:07:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:22 - 2:07:23)
It's like champagne time or something.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:23 - 2:07:25)
It's like we're in the twenty first century.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:25 - 2:07:27)
Or the 20th.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
Onward.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:29 - 2:07:33)
All right, on in the same vein, similar but not the same,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:33 - 2:07:35)
on to the select board handbook.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:37 - 2:07:44)
And we have had multiple conversations about the same book. We've made a couple of revisions. We vetted it through council and

[Speaker 10] (2:07:44 - 2:07:45)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:45 - 2:07:57)
Danielle sent around the last version while I was away and we just should go through

[Speaker 1] (2:08:02 - 2:08:11)
A lot of the notes on here by council were related to why certain things had to occur and to keep us in compliance

[Speaker 2] (2:08:11 - 2:08:12)
Compliance with.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:12 - 2:08:24)
with yeah free speech cases and constitutional considerations and, you know, soften some of our, at least for the first couple of pages,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:24 - 2:08:29)
soften some of our language as it involves public comments.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:08:35 - 2:08:38)
let's see going on to

[Speaker 1] (2:08:45 - 2:08:46)
yep. So

[Speaker 1] (2:08:48 - 2:08:49)
Does anybody have any questions?

[Speaker 10] (2:08:51 - 2:08:55)
I have a couple questions. Why are we looking uh what are we doing as far as the code of conduct two?

[Speaker 10] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
In the past

[Speaker 1] (2:09:09 - 2:09:11)
isn't

[Speaker 2] (2:09:11 - 2:09:15)
Well, we have a code of conduct. We passed per prior selectboards have passed a code of conduct.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:15 - 2:09:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:16 - 2:09:29)
Right. But we haven't updated or looked at it. I mean, we had we've had we've also had this and prior select boards have looked at it too. So I just think we should not tonight, but I think we should also look at the code of conduct. I mean, yeah, I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:31 - 2:09:32)
Just we should look at it.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:32 - 2:09:35)
But I think this one's first and this is the one we've been working on

[Speaker 1] (2:09:35 - 2:09:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:35 - 2:09:36)
for months.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:38 - 2:09:38)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:09:38 - 2:09:39)
Hey.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:39 - 2:09:46)
um personally 'cause I have, so um but yeah I think that definitely we should address the code of conduct also.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:46 - 2:09:54)
So so there were questions about that I the questions that I had I'd I'd raised um several months back, chapter nine,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:54 - 2:09:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:54 - 2:09:58)
uh kind of administrator uh under D_ evaluations.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:58 - 2:09:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:58 - 2:10:05)
Individual evaluations shall become part of the town administrator's personnel file and shall not be available for public viewing.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:06 - 2:10:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:08 - 2:10:11)
I understand there's a comment in the in the margin. However,

[Speaker 6] (2:10:11 - 2:10:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:11 - 2:10:20)
uh we are basically saying that individual evaluations shall become part of the personnel file and are not public records.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:20 - 2:10:31)
Well, we should discuss that because if that violates open meeting law I mean if that violates what the division of open government s policy is then we can say that, but we're in conflict of

[Speaker 2] (2:10:32 - 2:10:38)
the state policy. So we can say this guy's purple, but it I mean it doesn't make it true.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:39 - 2:10:57)
So to me, council is saying here that we should remove that language because that we can't necessarily say those things. Also it was sort of if I recall policy under certain chairs that the individual select board reviews were kept.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:58 - 2:11:20)
in the personnel file, but then the co collaborative like one sheet or whatever became public and that was because I I don't know exactly, but you probably know better than I do, but I thought the feedback from council was we could not not share a version of the town administrators' review.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:20 - 2:11:21)
You can share

[Speaker 3] (2:11:21 - 2:11:22)
That is

[Speaker 4] (2:11:24 - 2:11:29)
A they K.P. Law talked out of both sides of their mouth on this particular issue.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:30 - 2:11:38)
So I did take it upon myself to FOIA request um about a half dozen town administrator um

[Speaker 4] (2:11:38 - 2:11:41)
individual reviews from communities on the South Shore,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:42 - 2:11:43)
and didn't get any.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:43 - 2:11:46)
Um some folks told me the records didn't exist.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:46 - 2:11:46)
Wow.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:46 - 2:11:48)
So I'm just saying like

[Speaker 3] (2:11:48 - 2:11:48)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:48 - 2:11:51)
when it when it comes to when

[Speaker 2] (2:11:51 - 2:11:51)
That was

[Speaker 4] (2:11:51 - 2:12:02)
it comes to the when it comes to the this when it comes to protecting confidential personnel information we should do everything that we can do to protect that information and protect those employees.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:02 - 2:12:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:02 - 2:12:05)
So K_P_ Law may have an opinion.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:05 - 2:12:19)
I personally would like to would like to challenge that because again, there were communities that are represented by K.P. there are communities that were represented by other law firms municipal law firms that are well regarded within the Commonwealth and that information was not shared.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:19 - 2:12:20)
So you're saying you want a second

[Speaker 2] (2:12:20 - 2:12:20)
But was

[Speaker 3] (2:12:20 - 2:12:20)
opinion.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:20 - 2:12:21)
it not, was

[Speaker 4] (2:12:21 - 2:12:23)
I'm saying yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:12:23 - 2:12:23)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:12:23 - 2:12:24)
it not shared?

[Speaker 4] (2:12:24 - 2:12:24)
would.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:26 - 2:12:26)
I wonder

[Speaker 3] (2:12:26 - 2:12:27)
Or is there a way to reword

[Speaker 2] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
if

[Speaker 3] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
the language

[Speaker 2] (2:12:27 - 2:12:28)
the reason

[Speaker 3] (2:12:28 - 2:12:29)
so that it is more

[Speaker 1] (2:12:29 - 2:12:30)
Sorry.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:30 - 2:12:30)
Objective.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:30 - 2:12:32)
I want to I want to make sure that we're doing everything

[Speaker 3] (2:12:32 - 2:12:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:32 - 2:12:34)
we can do to protect the

[Speaker 3] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34)
Totally.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:34 - 2:12:35)
employees.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:35 - 2:12:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:35 - 2:12:50)
I don't disagree with you David but I guess I what I wonder is like with with regards to the sell short research project if it was not shared if people are saying there are no records to be shared is it because they don't have to share it or is it because they haven't evaluated their TAs.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:51 - 2:12:55)
They didn't say. So I guess it's not definitive to me to mean that they're

[Speaker 3] (2:12:55 - 2:12:57)
They're enacting not sharing it.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
a policy that we want to mirror.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:59 - 2:12:59)
Yeah, I got it.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:59 - 2:13:04)
So I don't disagree with what you're saying and if you want to get a second opinion,

[Speaker 2] (2:13:04 - 2:13:09)
we can take a vote tonight to obtain a second opinion on the matter outside of KP law.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:09 - 2:13:13)
I don't think that there's anybody here who has an issue with that.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:13 - 2:13:17)
But advice of our council is that

[Speaker 2] (2:13:18 - 2:13:25)
we can't do that. So to me if we're going to enact a policy tonight, we should reflect

[Speaker 2] (2:13:25 - 2:13:33)
the advice of our counsel and we could always amend it if we come up with a second secondary opinion that we that favors our position.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:33 - 2:13:43)
But it also took us months and months and months to I'd rather have a policy that was that was overly protective of these individual rights than not protective.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:44 - 2:13:45)
That that that

[Speaker 3] (2:13:45 - 2:13:49)
So you wanna you wanna basically end that sentence at personnel file period.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:50 - 2:13:50)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (2:13:50 - 2:13:51)
No, we're I gonna mean if you

[Speaker 1] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
we have

[Speaker 2] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
want if

[Speaker 4] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
no no

[Speaker 3] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
to be

[Speaker 2] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
you want

[Speaker 4] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
no no

[Speaker 2] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
a

[Speaker 4] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:13:51 - 2:13:52)
sign

[Speaker 1] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
you

[Speaker 4] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
mean to

[Speaker 4] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
want to be I

[Speaker 2] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
just

[Speaker 4] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
don't want to

[Speaker 2] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
hold it

[Speaker 3] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
sign

[Speaker 4] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
want to the be even

[Speaker 2] (2:13:52 - 2:13:53)
thing.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
you want

[Speaker 4] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
even

[Speaker 1] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
to keep

[Speaker 4] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
if it's

[Speaker 1] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
a the

[Speaker 2] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
sign

[Speaker 1] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
sad whole

[Speaker 4] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
of

[Speaker 2] (2:13:53 - 2:13:54)
thing.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:54 - 2:13:54)
thing but

[Speaker 1] (2:13:54 - 2:13:54)
thing.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:54 - 2:13:54)
it is a it's yes

[Speaker 1] (2:13:54 - 2:13:59)
But we have legal counsel saying that we're in violation, we're in violation of Mass General Law.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:00 - 2:14:01)
I mean

[Speaker 4] (2:14:01 - 2:14:02)
And I I think

[Speaker 1] (2:14:02 - 2:14:12)
had to go through this, I had to go through this with KP Law because I thought we could not release any evaluations and KP Law

[Speaker 1] (2:14:13 - 2:14:27)
Three attorneys from KP Law told me that we are obligated to release the information. Not only are we obligated, but they also told me that they had also advised the past two chairs that we were obligated to release the information.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:27 - 2:14:28)
I don't believe there was an obligation.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:29 - 2:14:30)
I believe they said you may.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:30 - 2:14:34)
You may with a vote of the select board.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:34 - 2:14:53)
So as a select board member I was always told that no there was no option and I I mean I I took that hook line and sinker until until KPLaw said oh no you're in you're in violation so I do think we should reach for a second opinion so that we could double check and to make sure that we're just doing the right thing.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:53 - 2:14:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:55 - 2:14:56)
I would be okay with that.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:57 - 2:14:57)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:59 - 2:15:01)
So it's on the agenda so we can take a vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:03 - 2:15:05)
But uh we can put

[Speaker 4] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
it on the next.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:05 - 2:15:06)
it is it is part of

[Speaker 2] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
the it

[Speaker 2] (2:15:06 - 2:15:07)
guess it's part

[Speaker 4] (2:15:07 - 2:15:07)
is

[Speaker 2] (2:15:07 - 2:15:07)
of

[Speaker 4] (2:15:07 - 2:15:07)
part

[Speaker 2] (2:15:07 - 2:15:07)
the package,

[Speaker 4] (2:15:07 - 2:15:07)
of the it's

[Speaker 2] (2:15:07 - 2:15:07)
fine.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:07 - 2:15:08)
it is part

[Speaker 3] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
of the select board.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:08 - 2:15:10)
Okay. Alright, so then, would somebody like to make a motion?

[Speaker 4] (2:15:14 - 2:15:17)
I just want to make a motion in in in favour of uh just regarding

[Speaker 3] (2:15:17 - 2:15:18)
Getting signatories.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:18 - 2:15:31)
chapter regarding chapter nine uh section D evaluations to seek out a second opinion uh to uh to evaluate the individual evaluations becoming part of uh the personnel file and not available for

[Speaker 4] (2:15:32 - 2:15:33)
Obligated.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:33 - 2:15:33)
Make.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:33 - 2:15:34)
In their second?

[Speaker 3] (2:15:34 - 2:15:35)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:35 - 2:15:36)
All in favour?

[Speaker 7] (2:15:37 - 2:15:37)
Hi.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:37 - 2:15:37)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:37 - 2:15:37)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:37 - 2:15:39)
Aye. Okay, Marilyn?

[Speaker 2] (2:15:40 - 2:15:42)
What did you I didn't hear you sorry.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:42 - 2:15:42)
What Like

[Speaker 2] (2:15:42 - 2:15:44)
there an I? Okay, great. Um

[Speaker 8] (2:15:44 - 2:15:45)
The question then becomes though,

[Speaker 2] (2:15:46 - 2:15:46)
What do

[Speaker 8] (2:15:46 - 2:15:46)
in

[Speaker 2] (2:15:46 - 2:15:46)
we do today?

[Speaker 8] (2:15:46 - 2:15:48)
turn exactly, for term

[Speaker 3] (2:15:48 - 2:15:48)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (2:15:48 - 2:15:49)
finalising this tonight.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:49 - 2:15:54)
I think we still finalise it tonight and then if the second opinion yields a different result, then we change it.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:54 - 2:15:55)
Then we change it immediately.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:56 - 2:15:56)
Right?

[Speaker 8] (2:15:56 - 2:15:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:57 - 2:15:57)
So you think

[Speaker 3] (2:15:57 - 2:15:57)
Wait a

[Speaker 2] (2:15:57 - 2:15:57)
leave

[Speaker 3] (2:15:57 - 2:15:58)
sec.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:58 - 2:15:58)
it as is,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:59 - 2:15:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:59 - 2:16:00)
leave it with the language,

[Speaker 3] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
That's With

[Speaker 8] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
the term.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
their

[Speaker 2] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
and

[Speaker 3] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
recommendation.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:00 - 2:16:02)
then I think that's our desired state.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:04 - 2:16:07)
I think it's nice to the desired state. I mean, I I d

[Speaker 1] (2:16:07 - 2:16:11)
We're, we're saying leave the language because we don't believe our we don't believe legal counsel.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:11 - 2:16:16)
I mean we've got legal counsel telling us this this is this is the law.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:16 - 2:16:19)
But we are saying we don't quite believe him, that's why we're getting a second opinion.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:19 - 2:16:19)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:19 - 2:16:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:20 - 2:16:20)
So.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:20 - 2:16:21)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:22 - 2:16:27)
But I would rather not finalize it. I don't see any reason any reason to finalize it.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:27 - 2:16:32)
To be fair, this provision will not even be enacted for at least a Right. year

[Speaker 2] (2:16:32 - 2:16:32)
Because

[Speaker 3] (2:16:32 - 2:16:33)
Right. We don't even have

[Speaker 2] (2:16:33 - 2:16:33)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:16:33 - 2:16:34)
a town

[Speaker 2] (2:16:34 - 2:16:34)
don't

[Speaker 3] (2:16:34 - 2:16:34)
administrator.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:34 - 2:16:36)
have a town administrator to evaluate.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:36 - 2:16:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:36 - 2:16:38)
So there I will

[Speaker 3] (2:16:39 - 2:16:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:39 - 2:16:40)
forgo the

[Speaker 1] (2:16:40 - 2:16:42)
So why don't we just leave that off evaluation?

[Speaker 2] (2:16:42 - 2:16:50)
the heart palpitations I have going against the legal counsel without a second opinion which says otherwise because we are at least a year out from this being a problem.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:51 - 2:16:52)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:16:52 - 2:16:56)
We need to be able to figure out an answer to it before it does,

[Speaker 3] (2:16:56 - 2:16:56)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:56 - 2:17:00)
because we will have a new town administrator and we will need to do evaluations.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:00 - 2:17:13)
So, so just, so I just have a question. So do we have, have, has, has the, has this version of the board signed off on the previous iteration of this procedures policies and regulation manual?

[Speaker 3] (2:17:14 - 2:17:14)
Wait.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:14 - 2:17:15)
Like I, I, I've signed it.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:16 - 2:17:17)
You signed what?

[Speaker 4] (2:17:17 - 2:17:18)
I've signed this

[Speaker 2] (2:17:18 - 2:17:20)
I've signed it in years past, I have

[Speaker 4] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
You've

[Speaker 2] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
not

[Speaker 4] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
signed

[Speaker 2] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
been

[Speaker 4] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
it,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:20 - 2:17:21)
I've

[Speaker 4] (2:17:21 - 2:17:21)
have

[Speaker 2] (2:17:21 - 2:17:21)
never

[Speaker 4] (2:17:21 - 2:17:21)
you signed

[Speaker 2] (2:17:21 - 2:17:21)
been asked

[Speaker 4] (2:17:21 - 2:17:21)
it?

[Speaker 2] (2:17:21 - 2:17:22)
to in years,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:22 - 2:17:23)
This

[Speaker 2] (2:17:23 - 2:17:23)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:17:23 - 2:17:23)
one?

[Speaker 4] (2:17:23 - 2:17:24)
Have you

[Speaker 2] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
No,

[Speaker 4] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
signed prior this in

[Speaker 2] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
versions.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:24 - 2:17:25)
previous years?

[Speaker 3] (2:17:25 - 2:17:26)
Yeah, when I first, yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
When you

[Speaker 3] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
last

[Speaker 4] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
first got

[Speaker 3] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
year.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:26 - 2:17:27)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:27 - 2:17:28)
No, I have not.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:28 - 2:17:29)
You have

[Speaker 1] (2:17:29 - 2:17:29)
But

[Speaker 8] (2:17:29 - 2:17:29)
not,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:29 - 2:17:32)
I have followed the code of conduct and these policies.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:33 - 2:17:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:34 - 2:17:34)
So.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:34 - 2:17:39)
Because I just, it's one of the things was in chapter procedures.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
Chapter what?

[Speaker 4] (2:17:42 - 2:17:43)
Procedures.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:46 - 2:17:49)
where we talk about election and

[Speaker 3] (2:17:49 - 2:17:49)
What

[Speaker 4] (2:17:49 - 2:17:49)
qualification.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:49 - 2:17:49)
about all of that?

[Speaker 2] (2:17:52 - 2:17:53)
Where are you, David?

[Speaker 3] (2:17:53 - 2:17:54)
We're at chapter two.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:54 - 2:17:55)
I'm on chapter two.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:55 - 2:17:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:56 - 2:17:58)
Candidates for, so the second paragraph,

[Speaker 4] (2:17:59 - 2:18:08)
once elected, select board members must make arrangements to receive essential documents from the town clerk and will be required to affirm a written oath of office unless otherwise instructed.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:08 - 2:18:14)
Formal voting by a select board member may be conducted only after the member has duly affirmed the oath of office.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:15 - 2:18:19)
Affirming the oath of office shall include review and acceptance of the town's select board handbook,

[Speaker 4] (2:18:20 - 2:18:21)
board and committee handbook and code of conduct.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:22 - 2:18:23)
And we've added social media policy.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:25 - 2:18:31)
Failure to abide by any of the items in the select board handbook or code of conduct will be punishable up to and including censure by the board.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:32 - 2:18:33)
So my question is.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:34 - 2:18:34)
If

[Speaker 2] (2:18:34 - 2:18:34)
Well, that

[Speaker 4] (2:18:34 - 2:18:34)
it

[Speaker 2] (2:18:34 - 2:18:36)
language is added,

[Speaker 4] (2:18:36 - 2:18:36)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:36 - 2:18:36)
then we

[Speaker 4] (2:18:36 - 2:18:36)
no, no under

[Speaker 2] (2:18:36 - 2:18:37)
are under agreed.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:37 - 2:18:49)
understood understood But the the second sentence formal voting by a select board member may be conducted only after the member has duly affirmed the oath of office I'm just curious if four of our members have done this

[Speaker 4] (2:18:50 - 2:18:53)
What this means to the validity of?

[Speaker 2] (2:18:56 - 2:19:03)
Well, there's no repercussion listed in the handbook as to what happens. Like is there a censure? Is there uh

[Speaker 5] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
uh

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:09)
what is the what's the outcome if they don't sign it? You're saying because

[Speaker 3] (2:19:11 - 2:19:18)
Because you didn't actually sign it, you're not qualified, because once a vote is taken

[Speaker 3] (2:19:19 - 2:19:28)
You are obligated to follow you are obligated to follow the bylaws and the handbook and the code of conduct

[Speaker 1] (2:19:28 - 2:19:29)
But our, our,

[Speaker 3] (2:19:29 - 2:19:42)
Yours this wording says affirming the oath of office shall include numerous things other than just the oath of office is your point correct I don't know if that answer but

[Speaker 1] (2:19:42 - 2:19:44)
I'm just, I'm just trying to make sure that we're not creating,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:44 - 2:19:44)
we haven't.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:45 - 2:19:57)
We haven't created our constitutional crisis for ourselves by having someone who has not signed and has not affirmed, duly affirmed the oath of office,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:57 - 2:20:01)
has taken votes for the last several years.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:01 - 2:20:22)
Well also it says maybe and not shall be. So again, not to legalese it, but I would I we could ask KP Law for an opinion on it or a second opinion if you don't believe KP Law. Because Oh. the word may is different than the word shall and shall means it's required and may means it may or may not be required.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:22 - 2:20:25)
In this context I'm not so sure that's true.

[Speaker 6] (2:20:25 - 2:20:25)
May be conducted

[Speaker 2] (2:20:25 - 2:20:28)
I'm not I'm not trying to say that I

[Speaker 2] (2:20:28 - 2:20:29)
Like, I am coming to that conclusion.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:29 - 2:20:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:29 - 2:20:31)
I'm just saying we should ask council.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:33 - 2:20:39)
I think it's pretty clear, if you really wanna be technical about it, that

[Speaker 4] (2:20:39 - 2:20:47)
It's not super kosher, the fact that Marianne hasn't signed the the handbook all this time. Okay, let's just I'm not gonna I'm not here to make a big to-do over

[Speaker 3] (2:20:47 - 2:20:47)
Let's

[Speaker 4] (2:20:47 - 2:20:47)
it,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:47 - 2:20:48)
just hopefully

[Speaker 4] (2:20:48 - 2:20:48)
okay

[Speaker 3] (2:20:48 - 2:20:49)
we'll have people.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:49 - 2:20:51)
But let's let's get this signed tonight

[Speaker 3] (2:20:51 - 2:20:52)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (2:20:52 - 2:20:52)
let's

[Speaker 2] (2:20:52 - 2:20:52)
Yeah, we'll just

[Speaker 4] (2:20:52 - 2:21:00)
let's literally sign it So we're all on board and we can make sure that we're all duly sworn in and voting members of the select

[Speaker 2] (2:21:02 - 2:21:11)
Also, I would be concerned about what the standing is of that if you have a publicly held election and that person is elected to a position.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:12 - 2:21:24)
Yes, they have to take an oath of office to put them into that position, but I don't know from a pers from a legal perspective if we can require other things outside of that before they can validly take votes.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:24 - 2:21:25)
You can't. This is

[Speaker 7] (2:21:25 - 2:21:26)
Has

[Speaker 3] (2:21:26 - 2:21:26)
a personnel

[Speaker 7] (2:21:26 - 2:21:26)
the handbook

[Speaker 3] (2:21:26 - 2:21:26)
policy.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:26 - 2:21:28)
not gone before legal counsel before?

[Speaker 2] (2:21:29 - 2:21:33)
No, the handbook has gone before, and we have sign off on it, but

[Speaker 7] (2:21:33 - 2:21:34)
But this with this wording.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:34 - 2:21:40)
with regards to this particular matter to say that you can't be a select board member if you don't sign the handbook, I don't think that

[Speaker 2] (2:21:40 - 2:21:42)
that answer has ever been asked.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:42 - 2:21:46)
I just find it strange that it would be in there if legal counsel has looked at this before.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:47 - 2:21:51)
I just think it's odd. Because they point out other things, right,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:51 - 2:21:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:51 - 2:21:52)
that shouldn't or should be in

[Speaker 2] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52)
there.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:52 - 2:21:53)
that's why I said it

[Speaker 7] (2:21:53 - 2:21:53)
Was

[Speaker 2] (2:21:53 - 2:21:53)
may

[Speaker 7] (2:21:53 - 2:21:53)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:21:53 - 2:21:53)
and not

[Speaker 7] (2:21:53 - 2:21:53)
really

[Speaker 2] (2:21:53 - 2:21:54)
shall,

[Speaker 7] (2:21:54 - 2:21:54)
in here,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:54 - 2:21:54)
because

[Speaker 7] (2:21:54 - 2:21:54)
though?

[Speaker 2] (2:21:54 - 2:21:56)
maybe they're reading it to mean

[Speaker 7] (2:21:56 - 2:21:56)
Ray.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:57 - 2:21:58)
that

[Speaker 7] (2:21:58 - 2:21:58)
Just

[Speaker 2] (2:21:58 - 2:21:58)
it was

[Speaker 7] (2:21:58 - 2:21:58)
one negated

[Speaker 4] (2:21:58 - 2:21:58)
Anyway.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:58 - 2:21:59)
the other. I have no idea.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:59 - 2:22:07)
I think we should just stick to the contents of today's handbook and uh and hopefully get it all straightened out so that we can all sign it tonight.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:08 - 2:22:08)
How about

[Speaker 4] (2:22:08 - 2:22:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:08 - 2:22:09)
that?

[Speaker 4] (2:22:09 - 2:22:09)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:10 - 2:22:10)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:12 - 2:22:17)
Does anybody have any more commentary as to the suggested changes?

[Speaker 3] (2:22:18 - 2:22:33)
I just want to well yeah I think on the suggestion failure to abide by any of the items in the select board handbook or code of conduct will be punishable up to and including censure by the board

[Speaker 3] (2:22:34 - 2:22:36)
What what does that actually mean like?

[Speaker 3] (2:22:37 - 2:22:40)
It's pre-punishable like this. There a list of punishments

[Speaker 7] (2:22:41 - 2:22:48)
Any possible punishment up to and including censure by the board. So I mean I think it is exactly how it's written.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:50 - 2:22:53)
I would say that stockade's not allowed, because

[Speaker 7] (2:22:53 - 2:22:53)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:53 - 2:22:54)
censure's like one step

[Speaker 2] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54)
Tar and

[Speaker 4] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54)
below

[Speaker 7] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54)
Stockade

[Speaker 2] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54)
feathering

[Speaker 4] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54)
that.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:54 - 2:22:55)
is not

[Speaker 2] (2:22:55 - 2:22:55)
tar

[Speaker 7] (2:22:55 - 2:22:55)
allowed.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:55 - 2:22:57)
tar and feathering is not even an op

[Speaker 4] (2:22:59 - 2:22:59)
Um

[Speaker 2] (2:23:00 - 2:23:01)
Yeah, I don't know, again,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:02 - 2:23:09)
we didn't ask, legal counsel didn't weigh in on the sentence. I don't, I don't know what that means except to say if we did want to censure somebody based on a

[Speaker 7] (2:23:10 - 2:23:10)
Violation.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:10 - 2:23:17)
violation of the code of conduct, we clearly state that in the coe in, sorry, in the policy and regulations manual,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:17 - 2:23:22)
we clearly state that in the manual so that people know in advance that that could be a consequence.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:22 - 2:23:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:23 - 2:23:27)
But they could be an end result. It's similar to when you put up to an including possible termination.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:27 - 2:23:27)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:27 - 2:23:29)
Right, you're not saying you're gonna,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:29 - 2:23:30)
but you

[Speaker 4] (2:23:30 - 2:23:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:30 - 2:23:30)
could.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:30 - 2:23:32)
I guess you can pretty much do anything up to that.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:32 - 2:23:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:33 - 2:23:35)
And then chapter 10, B,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:35 - 2:23:38)
relations with town staff.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:44 - 2:23:51)
We talk about however town staff report only to the town administrator, whether directly or indirectly,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:51 - 2:23:52)
not to the select board.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:54 - 2:23:57)
Maintaining this proper chain of command between select board,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:58 - 2:23:58)
town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:58 - 2:24:02)
and town staff is critical to the proper functioning of the town government.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:02 - 2:24:21)
The select board and its individual members should communicate with town staff as appropriate and include the town administrator if appropriate at the time the town administrators designate. No member shall request any town staff to undertake or complete any task or attend any meeting unless such request is explicitly approved in advance by the town administrator.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:22 - 2:24:24)
Um, I think

[Speaker 2] (2:24:24 - 2:24:24)
Or.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:24 - 2:24:26)
this is an incredibly important provision.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:26 - 2:24:26)
Yeah?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:26 - 2:24:30)
I know there's been uh there have been a number of

[Speaker 1] (2:24:32 - 2:24:38)
recent um directives uh issued by select board members to town staff.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:38 - 2:24:41)
Do you know this for sure or are you just making something up again?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:44 - 2:24:45)
I know this with certainty,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:45 - 2:24:46)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:46 - 2:24:47)
Mm-hmm. I don't think so.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:47 - 2:24:48)
So, no,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:48 - 2:24:58)
I actually do know this with certainty. So I was speaking in generalities, but since you've done this and opened this door,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:58 - 2:25:07)
I will tell you, you know, Mr. Cresta, I believe we had someone from your finance staff resign today?

[Speaker 8] (2:25:07 - 2:25:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:08 - 2:25:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:09 - 2:25:10)
You did.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:10 - 2:25:14)
So you had Trang Vu resigned today.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:17 - 2:25:22)
She was the finance person that was addressed by Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:23 - 2:25:25)
to pay an unauthorized legal

[Speaker 3] (2:25:25 - 2:25:25)
This

[Speaker 1] (2:25:25 - 2:25:25)
bill.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:25 - 2:25:26)
is absolutely

[Speaker 1] (2:25:26 - 2:25:27)
She has.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:27 - 2:25:31)
false. You have got to stop making up these lies.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:31 - 2:25:32)
You have to stop.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:32 - 2:25:35)
I have to insist that you stop lying in public,

[Speaker 3] (2:25:36 - 2:25:37)
or even in private,

[Speaker 3] (2:25:37 - 2:25:40)
but this is not factual information.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:40 - 2:25:42)
So you didn't have any communications with her?

[Speaker 3] (2:25:42 - 2:25:43)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:25:43 - 2:25:43)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:25:43 - 2:25:43)
have.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:43 - 2:25:44)
ask her to do

[Speaker 3] (2:25:44 - 2:25:45)
Ask

[Speaker 1] (2:25:45 - 2:25:45)
that?

[Speaker 3] (2:25:45 - 2:25:46)
her to pay an invoice?

[Speaker 3] (2:25:46 - 2:25:49)
Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:49 - 2:25:49)
You haven't signed.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:49 - 2:25:50)
I'm happy to have a meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:50 - 2:25:51)
You haven't signed.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:51 - 2:25:51)
Consent.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:51 - 2:25:53)
Have a meeting tomorrow with her?

[Speaker 3] (2:25:53 - 2:25:57)
Whatever you would like, absolutely, positively not.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:57 - 2:25:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:57 - 2:25:58)
Not.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:58 - 2:26:06)
And I don't know why you have to insist on constantly trying to go after my integrity.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:06 - 2:26:07)
Absolutely not.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:07 - 2:26:11)
You brought this up two weeks ago at a select board meeting.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:11 - 2:26:16)
These are complete false accusations that you constantly are making,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:16 - 2:26:16)
Mr.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:16 - 2:26:17)
Grishman,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:17 - 2:26:18)
Because you did it, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
You,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
because

[Speaker 1] (2:26:18 - 2:26:19)
these town

[Speaker 3] (2:26:19 - 2:26:19)
you were there.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:19 - 2:26:22)
staff reports to the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:22 - 2:26:25)
not to you, not to the select board.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:26 - 2:26:26)
No

[Speaker 7] (2:26:26 - 2:26:27)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:26:27 - 2:26:27)
member

[Speaker 7] (2:26:27 - 2:26:27)
did

[Speaker 1] (2:26:27 - 2:26:27)
shall request

[Speaker 7] (2:26:27 - 2:26:28)
not add.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:28 - 2:26:28)
any town

[Speaker 7] (2:26:28 - 2:26:29)
I'm in complete agreement.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:29 - 2:26:30)
staff

[Speaker 7] (2:26:30 - 2:26:31)
Complete agreement with this.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:31 - 2:26:38)
to undertake or complete any task unless explicitly approved in advance by the town administrator.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:38 - 2:26:39)
I agree with This that.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:39 - 2:26:40)
did happen.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:40 - 2:26:40)
This

[Speaker 7] (2:26:40 - 2:26:40)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:40 - 2:26:40)
individual

[Speaker 7] (2:26:40 - 2:26:41)
it did not happen.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:41 - 2:26:41)
left

[Speaker 2] (2:26:41 - 2:26:42)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42)
wait No,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42)
me

[Speaker 2] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42)
one

[Speaker 1] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42)
point.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42)
second.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:42 - 2:26:43)
it did not happen.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:43 - 2:26:43)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:26:43 - 2:26:43)
Excuse me.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:43 - 2:26:44)
town is swamped.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:44 - 2:26:44)
Wait one second.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:44 - 2:26:44)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (2:26:44 - 2:26:45)
What

[Speaker 7] (2:26:45 - 2:26:45)
you.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:45 - 2:26:53)
is on the agenda is reflection on the policy and if you're not suggesting an edit to the policy and nobody takes issue with the paragraph.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:54 - 2:27:01)
Let's move on, sign the policy, and hold each other accountable to the policy. As you've stated in the beginning of the conversation,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:02 - 2:27:04)
Mary Ellen hasn't signed the policy in the past.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:04 - 2:27:06)
Let's get her to sign the policy tonight,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:06 - 2:27:07)
and if you

[Speaker 3] (2:27:07 - 2:27:14)
But hold on a second. Mary Ellen voted for the policy in the past. Mary Ellen has followed the policy in the past.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:14 - 2:27:14)
Then let's

[Speaker 3] (2:27:14 - 2:27:14)
Mary Ellen

[Speaker 2] (2:27:14 - 2:27:14)
move

[Speaker 3] (2:27:14 - 2:27:14)
follows

[Speaker 2] (2:27:14 - 2:27:15)
on.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:15 - 2:27:16)
the code of conduct.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:16 - 2:27:18)
So let's get focused on who's

[Speaker 7] (2:27:18 - 2:27:19)
But can I

[Speaker 3] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
actually

[Speaker 7] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
ask you

[Speaker 3] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
violating

[Speaker 7] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
why you haven't

[Speaker 3] (2:27:19 - 2:27:20)
policy.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:20 - 2:27:20)
signed it then?

[Speaker 3] (2:27:21 - 2:27:21)
Hmm?

[Speaker 7] (2:27:21 - 2:27:22)
Why haven't you signed it then?

[Speaker 7] (2:27:23 - 2:27:25)
Can I just ask that question because what what is the basis

[Speaker 3] (2:27:25 - 2:27:26)
I just forgot about it.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:28 - 2:27:28)
Really.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:28 - 2:27:28)
Now that's

[Speaker 7] (2:27:28 - 2:27:28)
You don't

[Speaker 1] (2:27:28 - 2:27:28)
a lie.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:28 - 2:27:31)
you don't disagree with it. You just forgot about it

[Speaker 7] (2:27:32 - 2:27:32)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:27:32 - 2:27:32)
Well

[Speaker 7] (2:27:32 - 2:27:32)
know,

[Speaker 7] (2:27:32 - 2:27:32)
it's in in

[Speaker 3] (2:27:32 - 2:27:33)
the very

[Speaker 7] (2:27:33 - 2:27:33)
the system

[Speaker 3] (2:27:33 - 2:27:33)
in

[Speaker 7] (2:27:33 - 2:27:33)
of one premise.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:33 - 2:27:58)
in in the very in the very beginning in the very beginning I didn't think I thought it was just a waste of time asking people to sign it and then double-checking and I just felt like it was one or two select board members just trying to give me a hard time so that's that's that's really all it was and then we were going over it and redoing it and and that's it I voted to support a policy so when you vote to support something you are obligated of course to follow the policies

[Speaker 3] (2:27:59 - 2:28:00)
And the other thing is,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:00 - 2:28:03)
you don't see me attacking someone's integrity.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:03 - 2:28:15)
You don't see me acting inappropriately. I mean, you don't see me breaking the rules in these policies.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:16 - 2:28:22)
That's the issue is following the policy. If you're so stuck on me signing it, I mean.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:23 - 2:28:27)
I voted for it. I just think it's just one more distraction.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:27 - 2:28:29)
So, so Mary Ellen, so in,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:29 - 2:28:29)
Yes, David.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:29 - 2:28:30)
in town hall,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:30 - 2:28:34)
so yelling at a yelling at a town employee such as Ms.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:34 - 2:28:36)
Camerlengo, so that's that's that's appropriate?

[Speaker 3] (2:28:36 - 2:28:37)
Yelling at Ms. Camerlengo?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:37 - 2:28:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:38 - 2:28:38)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:38 - 2:28:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:39 - 2:28:39)
But I

[Speaker 1] (2:28:39 - 2:28:39)
You did.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:39 - 2:28:40)
am I don't

[Speaker 1] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40)
You did.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:40 - 2:28:41)
think really?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:41 - 2:28:42)
Yeah, you

[Speaker 3] (2:28:42 - 2:28:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:42 - 2:28:42)
did.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:42 - 2:28:44)
And there's a and there's a power dynamic that's at play.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:44 - 2:28:46)
Oh, hold on. Hold on a second. Hold on.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:46 - 2:28:49)
Now. So I am in town hall. Let's just if you want to

[Speaker 1] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49)
Let's just,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:49 - 2:28:53)
if you want to bring this up, I'm in town hall taking care of personal business.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:54 - 2:28:55)
And Ms.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:55 - 2:29:04)
Kammerlin decides to come in and get in my face, and I raise my voice and ask her to please leave me alone, please leave me alone. Is this how you want to have this meeting here? You want to start talking about

[Speaker 2] (2:29:04 - 2:29:04)
Well don't

[Speaker 1] (2:29:04 - 2:29:05)
these things?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:05 - 2:29:05)
make But

[Speaker 2] (2:29:05 - 2:29:05)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:29:05 - 2:29:06)
Is you this how you want to get met?

[Speaker 2] (2:29:06 - 2:29:08)
I want to I'm going to jump in here because

[Speaker 1] (2:29:08 - 2:29:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:08 - 2:29:16)
I am listening to the words of Debbie Friedlander hours ago ask us to be better about this type of thing.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:16 - 2:29:19)
At the same time I want to have an honest conversation.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:20 - 2:29:22)
And I think it's about time that we did that.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:23 - 2:29:29)
So as opposed to just lodging insults at one another or questioning things,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:29 - 2:29:31)
let's just be honest and put it out there.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:32 - 2:29:33)
You haven't signed it in the past,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:33 - 2:29:34)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:29:34 - 2:29:38)
That is obviously a bone of contention for the other four people sitting here.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:38 - 2:29:39)
I think that's safe to say,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:39 - 2:29:39)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:29:40 - 2:29:47)
Because it feels like you didn't do it intentionally for a reason so that you could perhaps break rules.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:48 - 2:29:50)
Well, if you didn't sign them, you don't really abide by the

[Speaker 1] (2:29:50 - 2:29:50)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:50 - 2:29:51)
rules,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
that's totally

[Speaker 2] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
inaccurate.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:51 - 2:29:52)
So I think that,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:52 - 2:29:52)
but

[Speaker 1] (2:29:52 - 2:29:59)
Just because I didn't put my signature on here doesn't mean I'm not obligated to follow rules that have been voted on.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:59 - 2:30:00)
it kind of does.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:00 - 2:30:01)
Because that's the whole

[Speaker 1] (2:30:01 - 2:30:01)
That's

[Speaker 2] (2:30:01 - 2:30:01)
point of

[Speaker 1] (2:30:01 - 2:30:02)
your having opinion.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:02 - 2:30:03)
a policy to sign off on, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:30:03 - 2:30:04)
That's your opinion.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:04 - 2:30:06)
If you're going to walk the walk you have to talk the talk,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:06 - 2:30:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:06 - 2:30:07)
right? So if

[Speaker 1] (2:30:07 - 2:30:07)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:30:07 - 2:30:07)
you're going to lead

[Speaker 1] (2:30:07 - 2:30:08)
do walk the walk.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:09 - 2:30:10)
I do walk the walk.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:11 - 2:30:12)
I do walk the walk.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:12 - 2:30:17)
Mary Ellen, I think that it would behoove you at this point to have an honest conversation.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:17 - 2:30:17)
I have honest

[Speaker 2] (2:30:17 - 2:30:18)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (2:30:18 - 2:30:18)
conversation.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:18 - 2:30:19)
And sometimes you do things incorrectly,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:19 - 2:30:21)
just own it and let's move on.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:21 - 2:30:22)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:22 - 2:30:22)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (2:30:22 - 2:30:23)
So if you want to point something out.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:23 - 2:30:27)
No, I don't. I don't. I could, but I don't want to. That's not my interest.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:27 - 2:30:28)
Right?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:28 - 2:30:29)
I am honest.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:29 - 2:30:31)
I just want us all to be on the same team.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:31 - 2:30:32)
Right?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:32 - 2:30:35)
And nobody's, I'm not trying to point fingers at anybody.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:36 - 2:30:36)
Right?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:36 - 2:30:38)
I think we should all stop doing that.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:38 - 2:30:38)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:38 - 2:30:42)
Right? Because I think most people are guilty of the same thing here, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:43 - 2:30:49)
But the opportunity exists for us to be better at this as a group, as a unit, a team, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:49 - 2:30:51)
Like that's how this is supposed to work.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:51 - 2:30:56)
Right. So you're sitting here and you're watching, you're watching dysfunction at its finest.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:57 - 2:31:00)
That's what you're watching here. You're watching Mr. Grishman trying

[Speaker 2] (2:31:00 - 2:31:01)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:01 - 2:31:01)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:31:01 - 2:31:01)
no.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:01 - 2:31:13)
take shots at me nonstop, bringing up issues about an employee who was on her downtime coming at me while I'm on my downtime. Like why, why

[Speaker 2] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
are we

[Speaker 2] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
shouldn't

[Speaker 1] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
even bringing

[Speaker 2] (2:31:13 - 2:31:14)
be talking

[Speaker 1] (2:31:14 - 2:31:14)
this up?

[Speaker 2] (2:31:14 - 2:31:14)
about it.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:14 - 2:31:14)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:14 - 2:31:18)
That's exactly what I don't want to do is lodge insults back and forth.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:18 - 2:31:18)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:18 - 2:31:21)
I think if we all can be honest with ourselves, though,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:21 - 2:31:25)
and admit that we probably have all violated some form of this.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:25 - 2:31:26)
at one point or another

[Speaker 1] (2:31:26 - 2:31:29)
Oh, I would be in total agreement with you, Danielle.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:29 - 2:31:29)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:31:29 - 2:31:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:30 - 2:31:30)
And I think

[Speaker 1] (2:31:30 - 2:31:31)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:31:31 - 2:31:31)
that that's

[Speaker 1] (2:31:31 - 2:31:32)
would be in total agreement with you.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:32 - 2:31:33)
fair to say,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:33 - 2:31:34)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:31:34 - 2:31:34)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:34 - 2:31:36)
But at least we own it,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:36 - 2:31:38)
That's all I'm asking,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:38 - 2:31:40)
you know, not to just deny its existence,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:40 - 2:31:41)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:31:41 - 2:31:42)
And no, that can't possibly be.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:42 - 2:31:45)
You're saying in one form or another,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:45 - 2:31:49)
at some point, have we all violated something in these books? Of course.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:49 - 2:31:50)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:50 - 2:31:51)
Of course.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:52 - 2:32:01)
But when Mr. Grishman is pointing out specific things that are not true, I am not going to sit here and agree to something that is not only not true,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:01 - 2:32:03)
but it turns around and attacks my character.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:03 - 2:32:05)
I think that Mr. Grishman,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:05 - 2:32:07)
and I'm not, I don't know this for sure,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:07 - 2:32:11)
but maybe if once in a while, like we were just honest and said, you know what, David,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:11 - 2:32:12)
maybe you have a point.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:12 - 2:32:13)
Maybe I crossed the line this time.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:13 - 2:32:14)
I'd be happy to do

[Speaker 2] (2:32:14 - 2:32:14)
Maybe

[Speaker 1] (2:32:14 - 2:32:14)
that.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:14 - 2:32:15)
we

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
would get

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
am not

[Speaker 2] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
a scenario

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:16)
going to agree

[Speaker 2] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
on

[Speaker 1] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
to something,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
a regular

[Speaker 1] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
Danielle,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:16 - 2:32:17)
basis.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:17 - 2:32:18)
that did not happen.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:19 - 2:32:21)
I am not going to agree to something that did not happen.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:21 - 2:32:25)
I did not ask any employee to pay an invoice.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:25 - 2:32:26)
None. Zero.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:26 - 2:32:27)
So you didn't you so

[Speaker 1] (2:32:27 - 2:32:32)
I never had a conversation with any employee to pay an invoice.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:32 - 2:32:37)
So let's talk about the specific legal invoice we're talking about Let's let's stop being coy in playing Well, games

[Speaker 1] (2:32:37 - 2:32:39)
we're going to have that on the agenda later

[Speaker 2] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
on. Would you

[Speaker 2] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:32:39 - 2:32:40)
like to then do that?

[Speaker 6] (2:32:40 - 2:32:42)
we table this item and move to that is that what you want to do

[Speaker 7] (2:32:42 - 2:32:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:42 - 2:32:45)
Whatever you want to do, but I want I to build a Mento's point.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:45 - 2:32:47)
Let's be honest and get this stuff out of here.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:47 - 2:32:48)
Let's stop

[Speaker 2] (2:32:48 - 2:32:58)
up like, you know, being secretive and and disingenuous, let's just get it all out. So however whatever shape that takes, let's do that. Publicly we owe that to people

[Speaker 6] (2:32:59 - 2:32:59)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:59 - 2:32:59)
at this

[Speaker 6] (2:32:59 - 2:32:59)
do you

[Speaker 2] (2:32:59 - 2:32:59)
point.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:59 - 2:33:03)
wa do we wanna just vote on this policy and then move on to that as the next

[Speaker 2] (2:33:03 - 2:33:05)
I make a motion that we adopt this policy as written.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:07 - 2:33:07)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:07 - 2:33:08)
Um and

[Speaker 6] (2:33:08 - 2:33:08)
All those

[Speaker 2] (2:33:08 - 2:33:09)
vote it now.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:09 - 2:33:11)
all those in favour of adopting the

[Speaker 8] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
policy.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:11 - 2:33:12)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:12 - 2:33:12)
Hi.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:12 - 2:33:18)
Okay, great. So that's a five O reflect vote. And I believe Diane

[Speaker 9] (2:33:19 - 2:33:25)
And can I yeah yeah while we're while we're yeah while we're signing we get these

[Speaker 6] (2:33:26 - 2:33:30)
Let's we all have a Diane presented us all acknowledgments.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:31 - 2:33:35)
Wait, can we move this item eight up on the agenda so we can discuss this right now?

[Speaker 6] (2:33:35 - 2:33:35)
Yeah, so

[Speaker 9] (2:33:35 - 2:33:35)
Are

[Speaker 2] (2:33:35 - 2:33:35)
So

[Speaker 9] (2:33:35 - 2:33:36)
we,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:36 - 2:33:36)
it's legal bill?

[Speaker 9] (2:33:36 - 2:33:37)
we're signing the handbook.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:37 - 2:33:37)
Just

[Speaker 2] (2:33:37 - 2:33:37)
We're signing

[Speaker 6] (2:33:37 - 2:33:37)
just

[Speaker 2] (2:33:37 - 2:33:37)
the handbook first.

[Speaker 9] (2:33:37 - 2:33:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:38 - 2:33:38)
yeah, where is

[Speaker 2] (2:33:38 - 2:33:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:39 - 2:33:45)
where is that acknowledgement right here, so we all have a single page which is an acknowledgement to the handbook.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:45 - 2:33:46)
Where is it?

[Speaker 6] (2:33:46 - 2:33:47)
It's right here.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:48 - 2:33:48)
Here.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:48 - 2:33:49)
Do you want mine?

[Speaker 6] (2:33:51 - 2:33:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:52 - 2:33:52)
Um

[Speaker 9] (2:33:52 - 2:33:52)
Yeah, it's very tall.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:52 - 2:33:53)
seven twenty

[Speaker 9] (2:33:53 - 2:33:53)
Seven twenty

[Speaker 2] (2:33:53 - 2:33:53)
two.

[Speaker 9] (2:33:53 - 2:33:55)
two twenty five.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:59 - 2:34:00)
When did our time start?

[Speaker 6] (2:34:02 - 2:34:03)
Let me just

[Speaker 2] (2:34:03 - 2:34:03)
Here

[Speaker 6] (2:34:03 - 2:34:03)
turn it over.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:03 - 2:34:04)
right away.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:04 - 2:34:05)
For twenty eight.

[Speaker 9] (2:34:06 - 2:34:06)
And Gino,

[Speaker 6] (2:34:06 - 2:34:07)
Eight.

[Speaker 9] (2:34:07 - 2:34:12)
we don't have here a town administrator's handbook per se,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:12 - 2:34:13)
Is that right?

[Speaker 9] (2:34:13 - 2:34:13)
but

[Speaker 1] (2:34:13 - 2:34:13)
Is that right?

[Speaker 9] (2:34:13 - 2:34:20)
if with the indulgence of the rest of the board, I would request that

[Speaker 9] (2:34:21 - 2:34:43)
You have an obligation now when you have reports of anyone abridging this, particularly in this section about you know people interaction because you know I'm not just I'm not just talking about Mary Ellen here because hey at one point or another on this score I wouldn't be surprised if every single one of us had abridged this over the last couple years, okay? So maybe not Katie, but

[Speaker 6] (2:34:43 - 2:34:43)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:34:43 - 2:34:43)
everyone

[Speaker 6] (2:34:43 - 2:34:43)
was just going

[Speaker 9] (2:34:43 - 2:34:43)
else.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:43 - 2:34:44)
to say, this

[Speaker 9] (2:34:44 - 2:34:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:44 - 2:34:48)
is the second meeting in a row that everybody has said that everybody has violated that paragraph.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:49 - 2:34:55)
There may be others. I am very glad to have humility and to say I violated certain things.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:55 - 2:34:56)
I have not violated

[Speaker 2] (2:34:56 - 2:34:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:56 - 2:34:57)
that paragraph.

[Speaker 9] (2:34:58 - 2:35:04)
Okay, you've all right you've never asked anybody in town hall to do anything without asking the town administrator.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:04 - 2:35:06)
I C_C_ I have C_C_ the chair

[Speaker 9] (2:35:06 - 2:35:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:07 - 2:35:08)
or Gina and Gina

[Speaker 9] (2:35:08 - 2:35:08)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:08 - 2:35:08)
on

[Speaker 9] (2:35:08 - 2:35:08)
you're

[Speaker 6] (2:35:08 - 2:35:08)
every

[Speaker 9] (2:35:08 - 2:35:08)
one step

[Speaker 6] (2:35:08 - 2:35:09)
request.

[Speaker 9] (2:35:09 - 2:35:10)
closer to heaven than the rest of us.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:10 - 2:35:10)
I'm

[Speaker 9] (2:35:10 - 2:35:11)
Okay, that's great.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:11 - 2:35:15)
I'm just I'm not saying I'm infallible. I'm just saying on that particular one, I have not done

[Speaker 9] (2:35:15 - 2:35:15)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:15 - 2:35:15)
that.

[Speaker 9] (2:35:15 - 2:35:25)
all right. So but we do need to rely on you to in some ways be the reporter of this, okay, because if we don't have that and you get reports that this is happening.

[Speaker 9] (2:35:25 - 2:35:29)
happening there's not the feedback mechanism that we need in order to hold all of us accountable, okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:29 - 2:35:31)
And I think too as respect to the chair,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:31 - 2:35:36)
whoever is chair at the time, the chair should be cc'd on request of the town administrator.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:37 - 2:35:38)
That way the chair also knows therefore

[Speaker 2] (2:35:38 - 2:35:39)
There's

[Speaker 6] (2:35:39 - 2:35:39)
Gina

[Speaker 2] (2:35:39 - 2:35:39)
a double check.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:39 - 2:35:41)
doesn't have to report to

[Speaker 2] (2:35:41 - 2:35:41)
Checks

[Speaker 6] (2:35:41 - 2:35:41)
basically

[Speaker 2] (2:35:41 - 2:35:42)
and balances.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:42 - 2:35:49)
five of us all the time what's happening. The chair can also be a sounding board to be like okay this is happening and I see it happening and bring it to the board.

[Speaker 9] (2:35:51 - 2:35:52)
That's

[Speaker 2] (2:35:52 - 2:35:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:35:52 - 2:35:53)
a little bit different okay, that's fine.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:53 - 2:35:54)
But in years

[Speaker 9] (2:35:54 - 2:35:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:54 - 2:35:56)
past that has been th that

[Speaker 9] (2:35:56 - 2:35:56)
That's

[Speaker 6] (2:35:56 - 2:35:56)
has been

[Speaker 9] (2:35:56 - 2:35:56)
fine.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:56 - 2:35:56)
the respect

[Speaker 2] (2:35:56 - 2:35:57)
I agree.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:57 - 2:35:57)
that the It's chair

[Speaker 2] (2:35:57 - 2:35:57)
a it's

[Speaker 6] (2:35:57 - 2:35:57)
has

[Speaker 2] (2:35:57 - 2:35:57)
a it's

[Speaker 6] (2:35:57 - 2:35:58)
that you would

[Speaker 2] (2:35:58 - 2:35:58)
a checks

[Speaker 6] (2:35:58 - 2:35:58)
prefer.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:58 - 2:35:59)
and balances,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:59 - 2:35:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:59 - 2:35:59)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:35:59 - 2:35:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:59 - 2:36:00)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:36:00 - 2:36:00)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:36:00 - 2:36:00)
not

[Speaker 6] (2:36:00 - 2:36:00)
the GM's

[Speaker 2] (2:36:00 - 2:36:01)
one person

[Speaker 6] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
not put in

[Speaker 2] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
is

[Speaker 6] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
responsible.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
position.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:02 - 2:36:04)
There is more than one person responsible for checking.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:04 - 2:36:08)
Tha that's the that that's the different scenario, Katie, just to be clear, right? I mean

[Speaker 2] (2:36:09 - 2:36:09)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:09 - 2:36:15)
If if someone's running around the town administrator to talk to someone else, they're not gonna see CU when they're going to

[Speaker 6] (2:36:15 - 2:36:15)
Understood,

[Speaker 9] (2:36:15 - 2:36:15)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:36:15 - 2:36:16)
but I was saying

[Speaker 9] (2:36:16 - 2:36:16)
what I

[Speaker 6] (2:36:16 - 2:36:20)
like yes, I understand what you're getting at, but in addition to that I'm saying

[Speaker 2] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:20 - 2:36:26)
um if people could see the chair to understand when things are being asked

[Speaker 9] (2:36:26 - 2:36:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:26 - 2:36:27)
and then

[Speaker 9] (2:36:27 - 2:36:28)
It's a different topic.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:28 - 2:36:32)
sometimes I feel like things get asked and then they don't get done so then people go directly to other people.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:32 - 2:36:33)
Yeah, I think

[Speaker 6] (2:36:33 - 2:36:33)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:36:33 - 2:36:33)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:36:33 - 2:36:36)
so that is what I'm trying to figure out if that's necessary.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:36 - 2:36:37)
That happens.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:37 - 2:36:40)
So the one question I would have is what is the report mechanism?

[Speaker 2] (2:36:41 - 2:36:42)
Alright, that's a great question.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:42 - 2:36:43)
I didn't even look up a report.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43)
Back to

[Speaker 2] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43)
think

[Speaker 9] (2:36:43 - 2:36:44)
the chair.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:44 - 2:36:45)
that you have to report to the chair when

[Speaker 9] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:45 - 2:36:46)
this happens.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
Yeah. Exactly.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:46 - 2:36:47)
So I just

[Speaker 2] (2:36:47 - 2:36:47)
Right?

[Speaker 9] (2:36:47 - 2:36:48)
want to make sure everyone's on the same page.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:48 - 2:36:49)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:50 - 2:36:52)
Okay, so now that we've put that

[Speaker 9] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
to Cleaning

[Speaker 6] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
rest and

[Speaker 9] (2:36:52 - 2:36:53)
out the cupboards.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
we

[Speaker 9] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
All

[Speaker 6] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
have

[Speaker 9] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
right.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:53 - 2:36:55)
all signed the handbook. Thank you everyone.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:55 - 2:36:56)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:56 - 2:36:57)
We are going to move uh

[Speaker 2] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
Item eight.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:59 - 2:36:59)
Item.

[Speaker 11] (2:36:59 - 2:37:00)
No more Mozzie.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
Sorry,

[Speaker 2] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
sorry, Mozzie.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:01 - 2:37:03)
our am Fina is on uh

[Speaker 11] (2:37:03 - 2:37:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:03 - 2:37:04)
or will be on it.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:05 - 2:37:07)
I'm just texting with her just on the, you know, on the heads up.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:07 - 2:37:08)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:37:08 - 2:37:08)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:08 - 2:37:15)
thank you. We are going to move um item eight at the request of the board up to discuss.

[Speaker 12] (2:37:16 - 2:37:16)
Now.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:16 - 2:37:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:23 - 2:37:26)
Go. Let's discuss. You wanna move let's do it.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:26 - 2:37:27)
Yep. Okay so let's

[Speaker 6] (2:37:27 - 2:37:28)
Go ahead guys.

[Speaker 9] (2:37:28 - 2:37:29)
You teed up, Daniel?

[Speaker 2] (2:37:30 - 2:37:43)
I am. Let let's let's go with this this invoice, okay. Um this invoice for eight thousand four hundred and sixty dollars. How did we find out about this invoice? What is the chain of events? What exactly were we notified of?

[Speaker 2] (2:37:44 - 2:37:45)
By the former town accountant.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:45 - 2:37:46)
How did this work?

[Speaker 2] (2:37:46 - 2:37:47)
Let's start from the beginning.

[Speaker 9] (2:37:49 - 2:37:51)
You mean like procuring the services beginning?

[Speaker 2] (2:37:51 - 2:37:54)
No, how did this whole big controversy begin?

[Speaker 2] (2:37:55 - 2:37:56)
Right? This began when Amy Sorrow,

[Speaker 2] (2:37:56 - 2:37:57)
former town accountant,

[Speaker 2] (2:37:58 - 2:37:58)
right?

[Speaker 9] (2:37:59 - 2:38:00)
Director of finance.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:00 - 2:38:00)
Finance.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:00 - 2:38:04)
Thank you. Director of Finance made who aware? Who did she let know about this

[Speaker 9] (2:38:04 - 2:38:04)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:04 - 2:38:04)
in place?

[Speaker 9] (2:38:04 - 2:38:11)
I would say the story begins earlier than that, right? The story begins when the real part of the story is when.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:13 - 2:38:13)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (2:38:13 - 2:38:13)
Very

[Speaker 1] (2:38:13 - 2:38:13)
of course,

[Speaker 9] (2:38:13 - 2:38:14)
own and

[Speaker 1] (2:38:14 - 2:38:14)
when

[Speaker 9] (2:38:14 - 2:38:14)
cage.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:14 - 2:38:15)
we went to special town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:15 - 2:38:22)
Well, that's the crux of how this came to be now a thing is what I want to start with.

[Speaker 9] (2:38:22 - 2:38:33)
Well, but to me, we wouldn't be here if we get to the root of a process of how we normally conduct our affairs.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:33 - 2:38:34)
And we'll get to that,

[Speaker 9] (2:38:34 - 2:38:34)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:34 - 2:38:35)
to that part,

[Speaker 9] (2:38:35 - 2:38:35)
What's

[Speaker 1] (2:38:35 - 2:38:36)
right?

[Speaker 9] (2:38:36 - 2:38:36)
that?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:36 - 2:38:37)
We'll come back to that.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:38 - 2:38:44)
But I want to understand how this became an issue right now in the middle of July from something that happened

[Speaker 1] (2:38:46 - 2:38:47)
four or five months ago.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:47 - 2:38:48)
I just want to know how it

[Speaker 2] (2:38:48 - 2:38:48)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:38:48 - 2:38:48)
surfaced

[Speaker 2] (2:38:48 - 2:38:49)
that's my

[Speaker 1] (2:38:49 - 2:38:49)
now.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:49 - 2:38:49)
point.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:49 - 2:38:51)
So how did the how did the bill come out like

[Speaker 1] (2:38:51 - 2:38:54)
How did this controversy about this bill come out?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:55 - 2:38:56)
No

[Speaker 3] (2:38:56 - 2:38:56)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:56 - 2:38:56)
one had any

[Speaker 3] (2:38:56 - 2:38:56)
I think

[Speaker 1] (2:38:56 - 2:38:56)
idea?

[Speaker 3] (2:38:56 - 2:39:00)
Amy so there's a there's a bill and apparently

[Speaker 3] (2:39:01 - 2:39:05)
a copy of the bill or there was an issue with the bill and it

[Speaker 1] (2:39:05 - 2:39:09)
At was month end, we were closing out the books, right, for fiscal year twenty five, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:39:09 - 2:39:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:10 - 2:39:12)
One of Amy's last acts when doing that

[Speaker 3] (2:39:12 - 2:39:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:12 - 2:39:19)
was the shuffle, as it's called, right, paying for invoices accrued uh that it that have occurred, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:39:19 - 2:39:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:19 - 2:39:21)
So that's how this this whole thing started.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:21 - 2:39:22)
Well, the point of that, I'm I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:39:22 - 2:39:23)
I sorry, don't I don't really

[Speaker 6] (2:39:23 - 2:39:23)
but

[Speaker 3] (2:39:23 - 2:39:23)
know

[Speaker 6] (2:39:23 - 2:39:24)
this is exactly

[Speaker 3] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
if that

[Speaker 6] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
how

[Speaker 3] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
is

[Speaker 6] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
it

[Speaker 3] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
how

[Speaker 6] (2:39:24 - 2:39:25)
started. That's just a

[Speaker 3] (2:39:25 - 2:39:26)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (2:39:26 - 2:39:26)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:39:26 - 2:39:26)
know if

[Speaker 1] (2:39:26 - 2:39:26)
just

[Speaker 3] (2:39:26 - 2:39:26)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:39:26 - 2:39:28)
talking about the controversy that we're

[Speaker 1] (2:39:28 - 2:39:28)
we're we're

[Speaker 3] (2:39:28 - 2:39:29)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:29 - 2:39:34)
dealing with right now I'm not talking about the whole issue it originated obviously way back in special town meeting but

[Speaker 3] (2:39:34 - 2:39:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:34 - 2:39:34)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:39:34 - 2:39:35)
I'm before talking about

[Speaker 6] (2:39:35 - 2:39:36)
that yeah before that

[Speaker 1] (2:39:37 - 2:39:40)
I'm talking about how it's come to light right now that's

[Speaker 3] (2:39:40 - 2:39:40)
I think

[Speaker 1] (2:39:40 - 2:39:40)
all right

[Speaker 3] (2:39:40 - 2:39:42)
a bill came in and Amy said,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:42 - 2:39:43)
hey, what is this bill?

[Speaker 3] (2:39:43 - 2:39:46)
And didn't, I don't know who,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:46 - 2:39:47)
I mean, I was the chair at the time.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:47 - 2:39:49)
She could have called me and said, what is this bill?

[Speaker 3] (2:39:49 - 2:39:54)
Or maybe she could have gone to community development or the chair.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:54 - 2:39:55)
I think she did go.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:55 - 2:39:56)
to the Chair.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:56 - 2:40:09)
I mean, I did see a copy of emails that went from Amy to Katie, and then Katie copied it to Doug, and then Doug turned around and copied it over to David.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:09 - 2:40:12)
So there was one two three.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:12 - 2:40:14)
So I'm the only one that didn't get a copy of this,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:14 - 2:40:14)
of

[Speaker 3] (2:40:14 - 2:40:14)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:14 - 2:40:15)
this,

[Speaker 3] (2:40:15 - 2:40:15)
I didn't

[Speaker 1] (2:40:15 - 2:40:15)
of

[Speaker 3] (2:40:15 - 2:40:15)
get a copy,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:15 - 2:40:15)
this.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:15 - 2:40:18)
I didn't get a copy of those emails either until.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:18 - 2:40:19)
Okay, so let's so

[Speaker 3] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
let's

[Speaker 3] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
so there was let's a

[Speaker 7] (2:40:19 - 2:40:20)
let's go with Doug's route.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:20 - 2:40:22)
start back at special town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:22 - 2:40:23)
Or is that

[Speaker 6] (2:40:23 - 2:40:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:23 - 2:40:23)
we're

[Speaker 6] (2:40:23 - 2:40:23)
we

[Speaker 1] (2:40:23 - 2:40:24)
prior

[Speaker 6] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
to

[Speaker 6] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
not,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
that?

[Speaker 6] (2:40:24 - 2:40:28)
because I'm not doing that to go backwards. I'm going to

[Speaker 1] (2:40:28 - 2:40:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:28 - 2:40:32)
there to get to the root of how we can solve this going forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:32 - 2:40:33)
Yes, so let's start there.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:33 - 2:40:40)
Because I think, and I can't say definitively over all of time, but generally speaking,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:40 - 2:40:42)
I think when we engage counsel,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:42 - 2:40:43)
we

[Speaker 6] (2:40:44 - 2:41:12)
either an exec session or public session there's either a consensus or we take a vote to do that that's my understanding I cannot say definitively every single time I'm not going to pretend that okay but I think the issue was that we had strife about the post and what we were going to do and so therefore you know people went in different directions and tried to solve the problem in different ways on their own without processing it through

[Speaker 6] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13)
this team,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:13 - 2:41:14)
Collective money.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:14 - 2:41:14)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:41:14 - 2:41:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:14 - 2:41:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:15 - 2:41:19)
So that that's the fundamental issue that got us here today,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:19 - 2:41:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:19 - 2:41:21)
okay? I'm not going to go back, you know,

[Speaker 6] (2:41:21 - 2:41:30)
I think the the concern I have fast forwarding to here and now isn't fundamentally about this invoice.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:30 - 2:41:38)
It's about if I understand the result of all this and what town council is saying, our beloved town council again,

[Speaker 6] (2:41:38 - 2:41:41)
um is that it was all fine

[Speaker 6] (2:41:41 - 2:41:50)
um you know a couple people from the select board as long as you kind of get the nod from the town administrator as long as it's under ten thousand dollars have at it

[Speaker 6] (2:41:51 - 2:42:05)
and to me the result of that is like anybody that's sitting in any two chairs can go in and have a hey how you doing town administrator i actually want to like do eight thousand dollars for x y and z no one's aware

[Speaker 1] (2:42:06 - 2:42:07)
Yeah, but that's not...

[Speaker 3] (2:42:07 - 2:42:13)
Okay. I take offense to that because it makes it feel like we were plotting to somehow

[Speaker 9] (2:42:14 - 2:42:19)
make this I mean you're looking at me like you could care less what comes out of my mouth right now

[Speaker 6] (2:42:19 - 2:42:41)
I'm just I am I am very very skeptical of the fact that you would you know I don't know what your definition of plotting is but when you easily had three votes and you could have brought it to a select board exec session or whatever and just gone through with it and the fact that it didn't happen that way that's pretty close to my definition of plotting so how are you not plotting when it was two people going off

[Speaker 9] (2:42:41 - 2:42:42)
It never

[Speaker 6] (2:42:42 - 2:42:42)
and doing something

[Speaker 9] (2:42:42 - 2:42:43)
came up in a conversation

[Speaker 9] (2:42:43 - 2:42:43)
In a conversation,

[Speaker 9] (2:42:43 - 2:42:45)
I never asked the question,

[Speaker 9] (2:42:45 - 2:42:46)
I never,

[Speaker 9] (2:42:46 - 2:42:48)
and I'm being fully transparent here,

[Speaker 9] (2:42:48 - 2:42:51)
Naomi Dreebin in a finance committee meeting said,

[Speaker 9] (2:42:51 - 2:42:55)
in years past when we've had issues like this, we just get a second opinion.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:55 - 2:42:58)
And I was like, we should get a second opinion.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:58 - 2:43:09)
And so I did not stop to think, Doug, to your point, how exactly do you go about doing that in order to not have issues like this? I did not do that.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:10 - 2:43:12)
I should have asked, Mary Ellen should ask the town administrator,

[Speaker 9] (2:43:13 - 2:43:14)
acting town administrator.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:14 - 2:43:15)
I should have asked more questions.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:15 - 2:43:16)
Fine.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:16 - 2:43:21)
I take that in stride. I will never make that mistake again.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:22 - 2:43:23)
I will come to the board and ask.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:24 - 2:43:26)
But we received services.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:28 - 2:43:32)
And I feel like we need to pay those services. Whether you don't want to do that tonight,

[Speaker 9] (2:43:33 - 2:43:34)
we can figure that part out.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:34 - 2:43:37)
Council has said we can approve this.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:37 - 2:43:41)
Amy allocated funds in the legal line item to pay this.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:41 - 2:43:42)
Mm-hmm

[Speaker 9] (2:43:42 - 2:43:42)
Correct?

[Speaker 10] (2:43:43 - 2:43:43)
Correct.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:43 - 2:43:46)
Before she left, she allocated the money to pay it.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:46 - 2:43:48)
So if you want to talk about plotting...

[Speaker 3] (2:43:50 - 2:43:50)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:43:50 - 2:43:50)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:43:50 - 2:43:51)
think

[Speaker 9] (2:43:51 - 2:43:51)
to

[Speaker 3] (2:43:51 - 2:43:51)
it's their,

[Speaker 9] (2:43:51 - 2:43:51)
bring

[Speaker 3] (2:43:51 - 2:43:52)
you know.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:52 - 2:43:53)
it up as a controversy,

[Speaker 9] (2:43:53 - 2:43:57)
but then to put money aside to pay it, knowing that it might all smooth itself out,

[Speaker 9] (2:43:57 - 2:44:03)
feels a little like, like do you want to come to conclusions about why she did what she did when we don't know exactly

[Speaker 6] (2:44:03 - 2:44:04)
She's

[Speaker 9] (2:44:04 - 2:44:04)
why

[Speaker 6] (2:44:04 - 2:44:04)
not here.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:04 - 2:44:04)
she did?

[Speaker 6] (2:44:04 - 2:44:05)
I that's able

[Speaker 9] (2:44:05 - 2:44:11)
Okay, but you want to come to conclusions about what I did what I did and you're okay saying that to me here now.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:11 - 2:44:15)
So like I don't have the benefit of saying like, oh well, because she's not here,

[Speaker 9] (2:44:15 - 2:44:18)
were you plotting when you did this? I don't have that benefit.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:18 - 2:44:25)
So what I can say is a mistake was made. I'm happy to take ownership in it. If you want to go to town meeting,

[Speaker 9] (2:44:25 - 2:44:28)
I'll say it in front of 356 other people.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:28 - 2:44:32)
But I don't think, town council's not requiring it,

[Speaker 9] (2:44:32 - 2:44:35)
Amy put money aside for it, the services were rendered.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:36 - 2:44:44)
It is normal behavior to turn around and get second opinions, get consultants out there, and to

[Speaker 3] (2:44:45 - 2:45:05)
to take on services that need to be taken on for the town and not coming to the select board and having a big vote. For example, we spent ninety four thousand dollars on that consulting group over the library and the Hawthorne. Did that ever come in front of the select board,

[Speaker 3] (2:45:05 - 2:45:11)
even capital? I mean David, you knew all about that stuff, but that's that was town business that you're doing, but that never came in front.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:11 - 2:45:14)
Did we ever come in front and say we need to have Curt James,

[Speaker 3] (2:45:14 - 2:45:15)
excuse me.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:15 - 2:45:15)
Excuse me.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:15 - 2:45:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:15 - 2:45:27)
Do we need to ha we also need to pay Kurt James uh another attorney. These are things that that we don't do. So it's not like it was beha it was behavior that was no different than past behavior.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:27 - 2:45:29)
I disagree.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:29 - 2:45:29)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:45:29 - 2:45:30)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:45:30 - 2:45:30)
here and

[Speaker 3] (2:45:30 - 2:45:30)
I hear you.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:30 - 2:45:39)
this is why and I think this is important because whether or not I knew the amount exactly what the ticker was going through the legal fee, no, of course I didn't know.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:40 - 2:45:43)
But we were all aware that we had engaged a consultant.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:43 - 2:45:51)
consultant to be doing that. We all nodded in exec session, if we didn't take a vote, we all are aware. We're all aware that Kirk james has been engaged to be our legal counsel for these things.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:51 - 2:45:56)
That's not the point. Not the point about like exactly the dollars and whether

[Speaker 5] (2:45:56 - 2:45:56)
or

[Speaker 6] (2:45:56 - 2:45:58)
not there's an engagement letter or you know this.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:58 - 2:46:09)
It's it's basically the fact that a couple people can go off and again in be you know just think about it like you know two years from now someone else is the chair right and they go off and do something like

[Speaker 6] (2:46:09 - 2:46:09)
like this

[Speaker 3] (2:46:09 - 2:46:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:09 - 2:46:11)
and it's something that you really disagree with

[Speaker 3] (2:46:11 - 2:46:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:12 - 2:46:14)
right it doesn't feel great. So all I'm just

[Speaker 9] (2:46:14 - 2:46:14)
Yes?

[Speaker 6] (2:46:14 - 2:46:17)
trying to get to is like I'm not I don't

[Speaker 3] (2:46:17 - 2:46:17)
I Right,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:17 - 2:46:17)
care

[Speaker 3] (2:46:17 - 2:46:17)
right.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:17 - 2:46:24)
less about the $8,000 in general I mean it's a big bill, it's a lot of money so I do care about it, but the more important point is like

[Speaker 6] (2:46:24 - 2:46:26)
How do we make sure this doesn't happen again,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:26 - 2:46:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:27 - 2:46:37)
Is that something that we need to think about as like an amendment to our select board handbook two weeks from now or whatever so that we actually have a process to ensure this doesn't happen?

[Speaker 6] (2:46:38 - 2:46:39)
That's what I'm most supportive of.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:40 - 2:46:41)
I don't disagree with I you.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:41 - 2:46:41)
don't either.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:41 - 2:46:46)
And I think it was a perfect storm of acting

[Speaker 9] (2:46:48 - 2:46:48)
town administrator,

[Speaker 9] (2:46:49 - 2:46:49)
new chair.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:50 - 2:46:52)
a contentious situation

[Speaker 6] (2:46:52 - 2:46:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:52 - 2:46:55)
that we were all trying to problem solve for, as you stated before.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:56 - 2:47:07)
I think we were looking for solutions and I was like oh, this is what was done in the past, I don't see an issue, I never even, I never asked is there something we have to do before we spend this money.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:09 - 2:47:14)
I think that it was a very contentious issue, right, that we were very split about,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:14 - 2:47:16)
right, to be fair. And I think that

[Speaker 1] (2:47:17 - 2:47:26)
I could have sworn I've said publicly in meetings leading up to that, can anyone tell me conclusively what this means?

[Speaker 1] (2:47:26 - 2:47:27)
And nobody could.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:27 - 2:47:29)
And it was very much something that I,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:29 - 2:47:35)
you know, it makes perfect sense to me that we would need to get a second opinion.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:35 - 2:47:39)
None of us knew the answer to any of the legality. We asked KP Law,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:39 - 2:47:44)
we asked people to weigh in, people were interpreting language on their own. It was kind of like a free-for-all.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:44 - 2:47:50)
And I think that the process was not correct and one that should be avoided,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:50 - 2:47:56)
you know, and it could have been by a simple vote ahead of time, you know, to engage,

[Speaker 3] (2:47:56 - 2:47:56)
All right? right.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:56 - 2:47:59)
So that's fair and that's on us.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:59 - 2:48:02)
That's partly on you because you were the chair and but,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:02 - 2:48:05)
you know, are you expected to know every single nuance and thing?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:05 - 2:48:07)
No, I mean you're not perfect, none of us are.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:08 - 2:48:08)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:08 - 2:48:08)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:08 - 2:48:17)
Like, I have to think at some point in the history of Swampscott, past chairs have done things incorrectly.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:17 - 2:48:19)
How could you not?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:19 - 2:48:22)
How does everybody know every single thing they're supposed to do? Right? So,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:22 - 2:48:24)
you know, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:25 - 2:48:31)
we didn't do things the right way. Yes, we need to solidify a process so we don't duplicate those going forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:33 - 2:48:39)
you know, but here we are, right? So what do we do with this bill? Like this this law firm deserves

[Speaker 2] (2:48:43 - 2:48:43)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:48:43 - 2:48:43)
you know.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:43 - 2:48:46)
the law firm deserves to be paid.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:47 - 2:48:48)
The work was done,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:48 - 2:48:48)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:48 - 2:48:50)
excellent work was done.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:50 - 2:48:52)
The money is uh is there.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:54 - 2:48:56)
But I just think the drama needs to end.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:56 - 2:49:00)
The town administrator knew about it. It was it was nothing behind

[Speaker 1] (2:49:00 - 2:49:03)
That's the one thing I take exception with because I do feel like

[Speaker 1] (2:49:04 - 2:49:10)
And I think this is a fair statement, that we've taken advantage of this interim town administrator.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:10 - 2:49:20)
And his pleasant demeanor and his easygoing nature and his desire to want to do the right thing by every one of us, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:20 - 2:49:24)
And I think that, you know, to put it on him is not a fair assessment.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
And Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
I don't

[Speaker 2] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
they said,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:25 - 2:49:31)
think that he was in a position at that point to say no to any one of us.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:31 - 2:49:43)
And should any one of us have asked him, asked the things of him that weren't asked of him? Probably not, because I don't feel like he was in a position where he could feel he could be okay saying no to the

[Speaker 2] (2:49:43 - 2:49:43)
Uh,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:43 - 2:49:43)
chair.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:43 - 2:49:46)
for the record, I think he said no quite a bit to the chair.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:47 - 2:49:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:48 - 2:49:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:48 - 2:49:52)
Well, and I think for the record, you've probably been put in some really uncomfortable scenarios,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:52 - 2:49:54)
Gino, right? I'm going to I'm going to throw that out there.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:54 - 2:49:56)
Not by anyone in particular, but just in general.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:56 - 2:49:57)
And I don't think that's fair.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:58 - 2:50:00)
Right? And I don't think he's the fall guy here.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:01 - 2:50:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:01 - 2:50:01)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:50:01 - 2:50:06)
Well, the question is, was I aware of the situation? Yes. Did I authorise it? No, I wasn't ever asked

[Speaker 1] (2:50:06 - 2:50:06)
There you

[Speaker 7] (2:50:06 - 2:50:07)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:50:07 - 2:50:07)
go.

[Speaker 7] (2:50:07 - 2:50:09)
authorise it, but I was aware of the situation.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:09 - 2:50:17)
There you go. So that's his honest feedback. And we have to take that feedback and action it and change the way we do things, right? Because it's not fair.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:18 - 2:50:26)
Right. So I think that's to your point, Doug, that maybe answers questions for you guys, like did he know about it, he just told you. Did he authorise it, he just told you.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:26 - 2:50:26)
Right, and

[Speaker 1] (2:50:26 - 2:50:26)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:26 - 2:50:31)
and you know if you wanna go down that path, that ed that makes it more complicated,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:31 - 2:50:31)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:31 - 2:50:32)
because he didn't authorise it.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:32 - 2:50:33)
No.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:33 - 2:50:36)
Um so and it's actually up to him to authorise it.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
And so

[Speaker 1] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:50:36 - 2:50:40)
and if he if he had authorised it, I w we wouldn't be here talking

[Speaker 1] (2:50:40 - 2:50:40)
Exactly.

[Speaker 9] (2:50:40 - 2:50:40)
about it.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:40 - 2:50:41)
Exactly.

[Speaker 9] (2:50:41 - 2:50:42)
We didn't know yeah I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:50:43 - 2:50:45)
So your your claims that you've made are are

[Speaker 1] (2:50:45 - 2:51:00)
are well I understood like well taken do I still think you know it was done the wrong way yeah was it done unilaterally not part of a collaborative effort yeah do we have to fix that yes that's what we're doing that's the whole point of this handbook tonight

[Speaker 10] (2:51:01 - 2:51:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:01 - 2:51:02)
Right? And that's why,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:03 - 2:51:12)
that's where I think the anger towards you sometimes comes from, right? Because your failure to sign this handbook is kind of like saying to people,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:12 - 2:51:13)
I'm not going to abide by it.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:13 - 2:51:15)
I'm going to do my own thing, like it or not,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:15 - 2:51:16)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:51:16 - 2:51:19)
That might not be what you're trying to say, but that's what's coming across,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:19 - 2:51:20)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:51:20 - 2:51:22)
So that's what we need to make an effort to fix,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:22 - 2:51:23)
right?

[Speaker 10] (2:51:23 - 2:51:24)
I will say this.

[Speaker 10] (2:51:25 - 2:51:28)
In thinking about taking roles of leadership with this current board,

[Speaker 10] (2:51:28 - 2:51:29)
it is

[Speaker 10] (2:51:32 - 2:51:33)
beyond difficult because

[Speaker 1] (2:51:33 - 2:51:34)
Right, right.

[Speaker 10] (2:51:34 - 2:51:36)
it feels like at

[Speaker 1] (2:51:36 - 2:51:37)
It's a no-win

[Speaker 10] (2:51:37 - 2:51:37)
times

[Speaker 1] (2:51:37 - 2:51:38)
situation.

[Speaker 10] (2:51:38 - 2:51:44)
people are looking for you to step out of to a toe out of place so that people can come for you that's what it feels like and

[Speaker 1] (2:51:44 - 2:51:45)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:45 - 2:51:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (2:51:45 - 2:51:53)
so like it makes people not want to raise hands to be a part of this in the future I think this is a lot to what Debbie was saying like

[Speaker 10] (2:51:54 - 2:51:59)
It makes us all look bad because the conduct we have, yes we need to hold each other accountable, we need to be respectful,

[Speaker 10] (2:51:59 - 2:52:01)
and we need to hold each other to a certain standard.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:02 - 2:52:06)
Yes, maybe the standard I hold myself to is not the standard you all hold yourself to,

[Speaker 10] (2:52:06 - 2:52:14)
but we have to figure out a way to move forward and come to some common definitions of standard of leadership in this town,

[Speaker 10] (2:52:14 - 2:52:20)
and we have to agree that we are going to hold each other accountable respectfully because coming at people

[Speaker 10] (2:52:22 - 2:52:31)
Like the fear of being a good leader versus making a mistake and not having grace is a real fear that I have right now

[Speaker 1] (2:52:31 - 2:52:31)
Well,

[Speaker 10] (2:52:31 - 2:52:32)
Because

[Speaker 1] (2:52:32 - 2:52:32)
I that's

[Speaker 10] (2:52:32 - 2:52:33)
I'm fine to say I made

[Speaker 1] (2:52:33 - 2:52:34)
a valid

[Speaker 10] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34)
a mistake.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34)
point.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:34 - 2:52:36)
I'm fine to say I made a mistake

[Speaker 10] (2:52:36 - 2:52:43)
It's like how far does everybody want to take everything everyone you say every email you send every like

[Speaker 10] (2:52:44 - 2:52:47)
It's fine if you don't believe that everybody on this board is here for good intentions.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:48 - 2:52:48)
That's fine,

[Speaker 10] (2:52:48 - 2:52:49)
but

[Speaker 10] (2:52:50 - 2:52:50)
If people

[Speaker 8] (2:52:50 - 2:52:51)
I'm not, I'm not, don't, I,

[Speaker 10] (2:52:51 - 2:52:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (2:52:51 - 2:52:52)
I wouldn't say

[Speaker 10] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52)
fine.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52)
a task

[Speaker 10] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52)
I

[Speaker 8] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52)
is

[Speaker 10] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52)
didn't

[Speaker 8] (2:52:52 - 2:52:53)
suddenly.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:53 - 2:52:56)
say anybody did say that but I'm just saying it feels like what the

[Speaker 10] (2:52:57 - 2:53:03)
consensus is that people believe that some people are not here for all the same reasons. And so to me like

[Speaker 8] (2:53:03 - 2:53:06)
I'm sorry, can I just have to interject? I have no idea what you're talking about

[Speaker 9] (2:53:06 - 2:53:06)
No,

[Speaker 8] (2:53:06 - 2:53:07)
right

[Speaker 9] (2:53:07 - 2:53:07)
neither

[Speaker 8] (2:53:07 - 2:53:07)
now.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:07 - 2:53:07)
do I.

[Speaker 8] (2:53:07 - 2:53:13)
And you're talking about your standards being different than other people's standards? I'm not really sure what that meant either. So I just, I just want to be uh...

[Speaker 1] (2:53:13 - 2:53:17)
I think that a little a little degree of humility for all of us will go a long way

[Speaker 10] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
everybody

[Speaker 1] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
here right?

[Speaker 10] (2:53:17 - 2:53:19)
to be truthful here, let's all be truthful.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:19 - 2:53:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (2:53:19 - 2:53:20)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:53:20 - 2:53:20)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:20 - 2:53:23)
he literally pointed out a paragraph and had words with Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:23 - 2:53:25)
Maybe rightfully so,

[Speaker 10] (2:53:25 - 2:53:27)
but we all just admitted other people have violated

[Speaker 1] (2:53:27 - 2:53:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:27 - 2:53:28)
also.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:29 - 2:53:29)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:29 - 2:53:34)
So it's like if we are going to draw a line in the sand and say from this point forward we are holding ourselves accountable,

[Speaker 10] (2:53:35 - 2:53:37)
we all have to hold ourselves accountable.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:37 - 2:53:37)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:37 - 2:53:40)
So that means everybody's not calling people in town hall,

[Speaker 10] (2:53:40 - 2:53:42)
not just the people other people are calling.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:42 - 2:53:43)
Do you know what I mean?

[Speaker 10] (2:53:43 - 2:53:46)
Like it just feels a little pot kettle situation

[Speaker 1] (2:53:46 - 2:53:46)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:46 - 2:53:52)
because it feels like we're not all holding ourselves. We're holding certain people to standards, but we're not all holding ourselves to that standard.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:53 - 2:53:53)
That's nice.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:53 - 2:53:57)
And to my point, this was poor governance.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:58 - 2:53:59)
We did it.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:00 - 2:54:02)
I want to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:02 - 2:54:02)
Great.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:02 - 2:54:05)
So that way we're not repeating the same mistakes.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:05 - 2:54:09)
That way it's not, it was an $8,400 problem this time.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:09 - 2:54:12)
I want to make sure it's not a $20,000 problem next time or

[Speaker 1] (2:54:12 - 2:54:13)
Well,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:13 - 2:54:13)
a $40

[Speaker 1] (2:54:13 - 2:54:13)
it couldn't

[Speaker 9] (2:54:13 - 2:54:15)
,000 be. problem or whatever.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:16 - 2:54:20)
I want to make sure that this board all has the same information.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:20 - 2:54:27)
I want to make sure that we're all on a level playing field so that way when we walk into meetings, when we walk into special town meetings,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:27 - 2:54:29)
when we walk into annual town meetings,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:29 - 2:54:38)
that we all have the same information. That one or two individuals don't have more information than the rest of us, so we can all work together.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:38 - 2:54:39)
Great. That's

[Speaker 9] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
Because

[Speaker 1] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
great.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
that's

[Speaker 10] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
I agree.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:39 - 2:54:39)
fair.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:39 - 2:54:40)
That's

[Speaker 10] (2:54:40 - 2:54:40)
That

[Speaker 9] (2:54:40 - 2:54:40)
– so

[Speaker 10] (2:54:40 - 2:54:41)
is fair,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:41 - 2:54:41)
That's

[Speaker 10] (2:54:41 - 2:54:41)
David.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:41 - 2:54:41)
fair.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:41 - 2:54:42)
That's fair.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:42 - 2:54:43)
yes,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:43 - 2:54:44)
I will hold you to account.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:45 - 2:54:47)
And I do think that –

[Speaker 9] (2:54:47 - 2:54:48)
I think that given

[Speaker 10] (2:54:48 - 2:54:49)
How

[Speaker 9] (2:54:49 - 2:54:49)
that

[Speaker 10] (2:54:49 - 2:54:49)
come?

[Speaker 9] (2:54:49 - 2:54:50)
this bill hasn't been paid,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:50 - 2:54:54)
I think we should take this to a town meeting and have it paid.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:55 - 2:54:55)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:54:55 - 2:54:55)
Have

[Speaker 10] (2:54:55 - 2:54:55)
mean,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:55 - 2:54:56)
it voted

[Speaker 10] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
you could have

[Speaker 9] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
on

[Speaker 10] (2:54:56 - 2:55:00)
sent by. out a letter on your behalf and you didn't tell the board you were going to send it.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:01 - 2:55:01)
Oh yeah? Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:01 - 2:55:02)
On your

[Speaker 10] (2:55:02 - 2:55:02)
It's

[Speaker 8] (2:55:02 - 2:55:02)
Very

[Speaker 2] (2:55:02 - 2:55:02)
behalf.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:02 - 2:55:02)
public,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:02 - 2:55:03)
very frustrating for you.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:03 - 2:55:03)
very public.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:03 - 2:55:04)
frustrating for

[Speaker 2] (2:55:04 - 2:55:05)
Select board members.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:05 - 2:55:07)
me. I didn't know. I didn't know that was happening.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:07 - 2:55:08)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:08 - 2:55:12)
I didn't know it was happening. I didn't know till it went. I found out post it going out through.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:13 - 2:55:14)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 2] (2:55:14 - 2:55:14)
The agree intent

[Speaker 1] (2:55:14 - 2:55:14)
with you.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:14 - 2:55:18)
of the letter was to blow up the Pine Street issue.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:18 - 2:55:19)
So let's just understand this goes,

[Speaker 8] (2:55:19 - 2:55:20)
There needs to be a little

[Speaker 1] (2:55:20 - 2:55:20)
this

[Speaker 8] (2:55:20 - 2:55:20)
bit goes of wiping

[Speaker 1] (2:55:20 - 2:55:20)
five ways

[Speaker 8] (2:55:20 - 2:55:21)
of the sweat.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:21 - 2:55:21)
equally,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:21 - 2:55:22)
five ways equally,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:22 - 2:55:22)
It's not

[Speaker 1] (2:55:22 - 2:55:22)
right?

[Speaker 10] (2:55:22 - 2:55:22)
about,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:22 - 2:55:24)
Let's all just own our part.

[Speaker 7] (2:55:24 - 2:55:24)
What?

[Speaker 10] (2:55:24 - 2:55:24)
Yes, we're

[Speaker 1] (2:55:24 - 2:55:25)
Let's

[Speaker 10] (2:55:25 - 2:55:25)
talking about

[Speaker 1] (2:55:25 - 2:55:27)
all have a little bit of humility and, right?

[Speaker 10] (2:55:27 - 2:55:28)
accountability and hold ourselves accountable.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:28 - 2:55:29)
We all need to do that.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:29 - 2:55:36)
I mean, we all can think of five instances that everybody else at this table has done something unsavory,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:36 - 2:55:36)
let's say, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:55:37 - 2:55:38)
Or not playing by the rules.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:39 - 2:55:40)
Let's be honest.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:40 - 2:55:45)
All right, let's just commit, let's own it, let's commit to doing better. That's uh

[Speaker 9] (2:55:45 - 2:55:45)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:55:45 - 2:55:45)
you know.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:45 - 2:55:47)
will I will commit to doing better.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:47 - 2:55:48)
I will too.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:48 - 2:55:49)
I will also.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:49 - 2:55:50)
That's

[Speaker 2] (2:55:50 - 2:55:50)
I think

[Speaker 1] (2:55:50 - 2:55:50)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:50 - 2:55:52)
we should pay this bill and move forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:53 - 2:55:53)
That's it.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:53 - 2:55:56)
Get a policy or whatever it is you want in there.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:57 - 2:55:58)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (2:55:58 - 2:55:58)
Get if some language

[Speaker 10] (2:55:58 - 2:56:02)
there are recommend if if there are recommendations for a policy we should put it on the next agenda

[Speaker 8] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02)
Yes,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02)
and we should

[Speaker 8] (2:56:02 - 2:56:03)
let's do that.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
right

[Speaker 1] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
absolutely.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:03 - 2:56:07)
now we should we should right now what is on the agenda is the bill. So

[Speaker 10] (2:56:08 - 2:56:10)
I will entertain a motion on the bill.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:10 - 2:56:11)
So I'll make a motion to pay the bill.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:12 - 2:56:13)
I have a second.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:16 - 2:56:19)
So what do we do now, discuss it? What do we what does this work?

[Speaker 10] (2:56:19 - 2:56:20)
Well if nobody seconds it, there's nothing to discuss.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:20 - 2:56:21)
Uh second.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
No, 'cause you can

[Speaker 10] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:21 - 2:56:25)
you can just second it your s so in the handbook you can second now.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:25 - 2:56:27)
Oh okay, well Danielle, did you second

[Speaker 1] (2:56:27 - 2:56:27)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:27 - 2:56:28)
it? Okay, so now

[Speaker 2] (2:56:28 - 2:56:28)
Now you

[Speaker 10] (2:56:28 - 2:56:28)
we're

[Speaker 2] (2:56:28 - 2:56:29)
can having vote.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:29 - 2:56:29)
a discussion.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:29 - 2:56:36)
So Doug to your point, why would we not pay the bill at this point? Why would we vote no? Can you help me understand? Like what

[Speaker 1] (2:56:37 - 2:56:41)
Is there a reason that I'm missing that we would vote to not pay this bill?

[Speaker 8] (2:56:41 - 2:56:44)
I really have no desire to rehash the whole thing,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:44 - 2:56:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:45 - 2:56:46)
but um

[Speaker 1] (2:56:46 - 2:56:48)
Other than this whole s thing that just occurred,

[Speaker 8] (2:56:48 - 2:56:49)
Yeah and that's for lots

[Speaker 1] (2:56:49 - 2:56:49)
that's the crux

[Speaker 8] (2:56:49 - 2:56:50)
of reasons

[Speaker 1] (2:56:50 - 2:56:50)
of it.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:50 - 2:57:03)
we just saw it wasn't really authorised, you know yada yada yada, um you know, we went off and got one second opinion, it just happened to be confirmatory one way, you know what uh, you know, we didn't have any discussion about what lawyer to get, you know. There's lots of reasons

[Speaker 1] (2:57:03 - 2:57:03)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:03 - 2:57:10)
I can feel very fine about like I don't eight thousand dollars, we're sitting there scrubbing for a hundred dollars at a time, you know, it's not

[Speaker 8] (2:57:09 - 2:57:12)
Well, it's not nothing in this yeah, there's lots of reasons why

[Speaker 1] (2:57:12 - 2:57:12)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (2:57:12 - 2:57:12)
I feel

[Speaker 1] (2:57:12 - 2:57:12)
even

[Speaker 8] (2:57:12 - 2:57:12)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:12 - 2:57:13)
though it's there and allocated.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:13 - 2:57:20)
Absolutely, yeah. Yeah and I guess there is you know of course at first we heard it wasn't, then we heard it was, you know I I mean it's

[Speaker 1] (2:57:20 - 2:57:21)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:21 - 2:57:22)
um but yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:57:22 - 2:57:23)
Diah, can you speak on that

[Speaker 7] (2:57:23 - 2:57:23)
I

[Speaker 10] (2:57:23 - 2:57:23)
too?

[Speaker 7] (2:57:23 - 2:57:32)
can confirm that it's a I received an email from the former Finance Director saying that she put ten thousand dollars into the shuffle to pay this bill.

[Speaker 9] (2:57:34 - 2:57:34)
I

[Speaker 10] (2:57:34 - 2:57:36)
Didn't we vote to approve the shuffle?

[Speaker 1] (2:57:37 - 2:57:40)
So this is why I question why this is coming up now.

[Speaker 10] (2:57:40 - 2:57:40)
Yeah, I don't

[Speaker 1] (2:57:40 - 2:57:48)
And I'm questioning the motivation behind somebody doing this at this point, because we are simply trying to create drama with that, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:57:48 - 2:57:49)
That's the

[Speaker 1] (2:57:49 - 2:57:49)
That's

[Speaker 2] (2:57:49 - 2:57:49)
motivation.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:49 - 2:57:50)
just not the way to do it.

[Speaker 10] (2:57:50 - 2:57:50)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:57:50 - 2:57:52)
Yes, it was wrong,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:52 - 2:58:00)
but yes, let's double down on it and let's create a drama situation that we don't need right now, because we've got pressing issues we do need focus on.

[Speaker 8] (2:58:00 - 2:58:03)
And just to be clear, as I understand it, you know, just.

[Speaker 10] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:58:03 - 2:58:07)
I don't believe this invoice was in the shuffle.

[Speaker 8] (2:58:07 - 2:58:09)
There's money in a different line.

[Speaker 8] (2:58:09 - 2:58:10)
Is that correct?

[Speaker 7] (2:58:11 - 2:58:16)
She put ten thousand dollars in the shuffle to pay this bill. She put

[Speaker 2] (2:58:16 - 2:58:16)
Under

[Speaker 7] (2:58:16 - 2:58:16)
in again.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:16 - 2:58:17)
the legal line item?

[Speaker 7] (2:58:17 - 2:58:20)
Yes, she put in additional ten thousand dollars in that legal

[Speaker 10] (2:58:20 - 2:58:22)
So you guys already approved to pay the bill.

[Speaker 8] (2:58:22 - 2:58:22)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:58:22 - 2:58:22)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:58:22 - 2:58:22)
why aren't

[Speaker 2] (2:58:22 - 2:58:22)
what

[Speaker 8] (2:58:22 - 2:58:22)
we talking

[Speaker 2] (2:58:22 - 2:58:23)
are we even about talking

[Speaker 8] (2:58:23 - 2:58:23)
are we talking

[Speaker 2] (2:58:23 - 2:58:23)
this?

[Speaker 8] (2:58:23 - 2:58:23)
because

[Speaker 2] (2:58:23 - 2:58:24)
about?

[Speaker 8] (2:58:24 - 2:58:33)
we didn't know it. I mean because we were relying on the previous email that she sent saying it wasn't in there, right? The whole point of the discussion last time was our understanding was that it wasn't in there.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:34 - 2:58:35)
When

[Speaker 1] (2:58:35 - 2:58:35)
So I

[Speaker 2] (2:58:35 - 2:58:35)
we

[Speaker 1] (2:58:35 - 2:58:41)
don't quite understand Gino like, I frankly I'm sorry but like, that meeting was on July 8th and

[Speaker 3] (2:58:41 - 2:58:43)
And when the email came to me and Trang on the 9th,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:44 - 2:58:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:46 - 2:58:50)
I'm telling you what I got. I have no reason to make this

[Speaker 2] (2:58:50 - 2:58:52)
up. Alright well what I suggest we do is we still

[Speaker 4] (2:58:52 - 2:58:54)
Wait, we have a motion on the floor,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
Yeah, I right? can

[Speaker 4] (2:58:54 - 2:58:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
I label this?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:56 - 2:59:01)
So what I suggest we do is there's a motion on the floor, we vote on the motion and that way there is no

[Speaker 2] (2:59:04 - 2:59:06)
unclarity is not a word. What is the word I'm looking

[Speaker 5] (2:59:06 - 2:59:06)
for?

[Speaker 2] (2:59:06 - 2:59:13)
Confusion that we are approving the invoice to be paid regardless of whether it got paid in the shuffle or if it's gonna get paid now. So

[Speaker 2] (2:59:14 - 2:59:17)
all those in favour of approving the invoice to be paid, hi.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:18 - 2:59:19)
Opposed?

[Speaker 1] (2:59:19 - 2:59:20)
Politely, no.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:20 - 2:59:20)
No.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:21 - 2:59:21)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:59:21 - 2:59:21)
Abstaining.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:21 - 2:59:22)
you could attack, you could attack me.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:22 - 2:59:25)
I am voting aye because I want this put to bed.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
Three to

[Speaker 4] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
don't

[Speaker 2] (2:59:25 - 2:59:26)
two.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:26 - 2:59:27)
see the benefit of dragging this out.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:27 - 2:59:28)
Three to two.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:28 - 2:59:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:28 - 2:59:31)
Whether we've paid it in the shuffle already or not,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:31 - 2:59:32)
it is going to be paid.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:33 - 2:59:43)
And we will, I commit to adding a line item on the next meeting that discusses how whatever safeguards need to be put in place so that something like this does not happen again.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:43 - 2:59:43)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:44 - 2:59:44)
Please.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:45 - 2:59:50)
And I would love to hear us all commit-I know David and I just did-to

[Speaker 2] (2:59:50 - 2:59:50)
I did.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:50 - 2:59:51)
doing better.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:51 - 2:59:52)
Yeah, absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:53 - 2:59:53)
Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 4] (2:59:53 - 2:59:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:54 - 2:59:55)
I gotta I'm I'm asking you point

[Speaker 4] (2:59:55 - 2:59:55)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:59:55 - 2:59:56)
blank.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:56 - 2:59:57)
just said I just said yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
What

[Speaker 2] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
great.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:57 - 2:59:58)
more do you want?

[Speaker 7] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
Listen.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:59 - 3:00:00)
I just said yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:01 - 3:00:02)
Good, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:02 - 3:00:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:04 - 3:00:07)
Alright, do we want why don't we take um

[Speaker 1] (3:00:08 - 3:00:09)
A break with an ambulance contract?

[Speaker 7] (3:00:10 - 3:00:10)
God.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:11 - 3:00:12)
You know what else could we do?

[Speaker 2] (3:00:12 - 3:00:13)
Um

[Speaker 4] (3:00:13 - 3:00:14)
Can we go to Pine Street?

[Speaker 2] (3:00:15 - 3:00:17)
Yeah, let's go to Pine Street. Well, first of all,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:17 - 3:00:18)
that that uh

[Speaker 4] (3:00:18 - 3:00:19)
It's 9:30.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:19 - 3:00:23)
that's the T_A_ Search Committee update discussion impossible vote. They're not joining us right, it's just

[Speaker 7] (3:00:23 - 3:00:25)
They are not. They are interviewing, I have been told they are

[Speaker 2] (3:00:25 - 3:00:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:25 - 3:00:26)
interviewing all week.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:26 - 3:00:32)
So so I will entertain a motion for a poss for a vote to extend them to 8:24:25.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:33 - 3:00:33)
So moved.

[Speaker 8] (3:00:33 - 3:00:34)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:34 - 3:00:34)
All those in favour?

[Speaker 4] (3:00:34 - 3:00:35)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:35 - 3:00:35)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:35 - 3:00:40)
Aye, okay so that takes care of that. Now let's move on to Pine Street.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:40 - 3:00:40)
Really?

[Speaker 9] (3:00:40 - 3:00:41)
Oh, just, okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
What?

[Speaker 1] (3:00:41 - 3:00:42)
You can't get grandma?

[Speaker 4] (3:00:42 - 3:00:44)
Ambulance, the ambulance contract.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:44 - 3:00:45)
Oh, you wanna do the ambulance contract? That's fine.

[Speaker 9] (3:00:45 - 3:00:45)
Please.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:45 - 3:00:47)
So let's move to the ambulance

[Speaker 4] (3:00:47 - 3:00:47)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:47 - 3:00:47)
contract.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:47 - 3:00:48)
that's why you're here?

[Speaker 2] (3:00:48 - 3:00:49)
Grandma, I apologize.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:49 - 3:00:54)
I have to use the ladies room. I am not trying to walk out while we move on to you, but if you guys could get started, I'll be right back.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:56 - 3:00:56)
Ready?

[Speaker 1] (3:00:56 - 3:00:58)
Do you have anything you wanna summarize on the contract?

[Speaker 9] (3:00:58 - 3:00:59)
It's all over.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:59 - 3:00:59)
Or...

[Speaker 9] (3:00:59 - 3:01:00)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (3:01:00 - 3:01:07)
Uh you don't need to, just wanna give you the opportunity if there's any w if you can just give a very brief summary for everyone so. Like

[Speaker 3] (3:01:07 - 3:01:22)
We've we we've been uh contracted with Catalyst for over ten years now to provide ambulance service to the town. Um the town of Swampscott and Marblehead, our contracts kind of go together because due to population size and the number of incidents,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:22 - 3:01:27)
it it's basically not economically feasible for any ambulance company and just a contract with one

[Speaker 10] (3:01:28 - 3:01:41)
geographically remotely either one either time unless they have some more in the area. So for a lot of reasons ten years ago it made sense to go to Caltelco because they may be the largest end-user contractor in the state. But certainly in this area.

[Speaker 10] (3:01:42 - 3:01:42)
Um

[Speaker 10] (3:01:43 - 3:01:47)
over the years we've negotiated different levels of service and uh when

[Speaker 10] (3:01:49 - 3:01:51)
Marble has said so as as I said, Swamp Cutt has been

[Speaker 1] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51)
Microwave.

[Speaker 10] (3:01:51 - 3:02:15)
oh, sorry. I put it over the oh no, sorry. Uh as I said a while uh Swamp Cutt has been out of contract with Catello for a while. We we did a couple of one-year extensions, but when Marble had came out of contract was coming out of con was expiring um out of contract at at the same time, we thought it was a good time to roll up our sleeves and do a little bit more due diligence before containing our relationship with Catello. And we did that, and we got some really interesting

[Speaker 10] (3:02:15 - 3:02:31)
interesting feedback from other other um ambulance provide uh ambulance companies. Um first among those was was b uh Beauport uh Ambulance. Um so to to summarise uh gri uh you know very broadly uh

[Speaker 10] (3:02:32 - 3:02:48)
The proposal that we, propo that we've uh provided you uh from both both port um meets or exceeds every aspect of the proposal of the contract that we've been under with Catella for ten years. And the level of staffing, the response times, um

[Speaker 10] (3:02:48 - 3:03:07)
Community engagement, Boporters really, really worked hard on making a very appealing contract wherein they commit to four community-sponsored, Boport-sponsored community events for the police, fire,

[Speaker 10] (3:03:07 - 3:03:08)
senior center.

[Speaker 10] (3:03:09 - 3:03:26)
in schools uh and things such as uh hands-on CPR training, uh first responder training and other things like that, you know they match anything Cattell does offer as far as like being present for special events um um Boport has offered um to

[Speaker 10] (3:03:27 - 3:03:53)
to return to organizations within the town. It's important like it important wording there because they can't return money to the town, but five percent of their profits to organizations in the town to be um decided upon in in conference with the town what uh non-profit organizations or entities in the town they could uh return that money to. They've really gone over and above on what they've offered to go to the town. So uh I know it might

[Speaker 10] (3:03:53 - 3:03:55)
My counterpart in Marblehead, Chief Gilliland,

[Speaker 10] (3:03:56 - 3:03:56)
Thatcher Keiser,

[Speaker 10] (3:03:56 - 3:04:02)
Gino and myself are really excited to bring the Bulkport contract to you. We think it's going to be an improvement in service,

[Speaker 10] (3:04:03 - 3:04:18)
and they have committed to even a higher level of as far as a mixture of ALS response versus BLS response. So it's a higher level of service. It's more community engagement. At the front I should have led with

[Speaker 10] (3:04:19 - 3:04:40)
Either either can be any of the contractors we spoke to it's a zero bid they don't charge the town for the services they make money by billing insurance companies Medicare or the other other other patients so We've provided you after doing a lot of due diligence with the contract from old port ambulance and we recommend We are both out of contract now

[Speaker 10] (3:04:41 - 3:04:44)
We recommend signing as soon as possible

[Speaker 10] (3:04:45 - 3:04:49)
Uh but they'll we'll push to open for an aug august first start um

[Speaker 11] (3:04:50 - 3:04:51)
Great.

[Speaker 10] (3:04:51 - 3:05:09)
and and this contract also goes we're working for a licensing agreement for the former police station at eighty six uh borough street which is currently occupied by atlantic uh cataldo and we'd like to uh um move them out and move put our boat port in it um within the next month.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:10 - 3:05:12)
Will they be paying the same, what,

[Speaker 4] (3:05:12 - 3:05:13)
we have to set a,

[Speaker 3] (3:05:13 - 3:05:14)
We're hoping.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:14 - 3:05:17)
Graham and I talked about that. We think we may need to increase the rent.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
Yeah, we

[Speaker 2] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:18 - 3:05:21)
might we might we're going to reconsider what that what the rate is

[Speaker 4] (3:05:21 - 3:05:23)
Will you propose a rent? Yeah?

[Speaker 10] (3:05:23 - 3:05:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:26 - 3:05:27)
So, same,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:27 - 3:05:28)
no cost,

[Speaker 10] (3:05:28 - 3:05:29)
No cost

[Speaker 1] (3:05:29 - 3:05:35)
we think, and no, they've done other places just as good a service, if not better, better

[Speaker 10] (3:05:35 - 3:05:35)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:05:35 - 3:05:35)
product.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:36 - 3:05:40)
Yes, so you know both what's been around for quite a long time.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:41 - 3:05:48)
You know in the 70s they actually moved out of the emergency response and did more transports. The current owner is the son of the founder,

[Speaker 10] (3:05:48 - 3:05:49)
John Morris,

[Speaker 10] (3:05:50 - 3:05:51)
a really impressive fellow.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:52 - 3:05:58)
He's moved the company back into emergency service so they do work in Hamilton,

[Speaker 10] (3:05:58 - 3:05:59)
Gloucester.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:00 - 3:06:10)
Um, they're back up for Boston. Um there there are a couple other communities that are actually listed in there. So yes. So sorry, go ahead. Doug. Um yep.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:11 - 3:06:12)
So yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:14 - 3:06:14)
Sounds good to me.

[Speaker 7] (3:06:16 - 3:06:17)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:17 - 3:06:18)
Well, we

[Speaker 1] (3:06:18 - 3:06:19)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:19 - 3:06:20)
Let

[Speaker 4] (3:06:20 - 3:06:20)
This

[Speaker 2] (3:06:20 - 3:06:20)
me take a

[Speaker 4] (3:06:20 - 3:06:20)
is

[Speaker 2] (3:06:20 - 3:06:20)
session.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:20 - 3:06:26)
just the first this is this is the first um reading of the contract. So

[Speaker 2] (3:06:26 - 3:06:27)
But it does say f

[Speaker 4] (3:06:27 - 3:06:28)
what what more

[Speaker 2] (3:06:28 - 3:06:28)
full

[Speaker 4] (3:06:28 - 3:06:28)
do we need?

[Speaker 2] (3:06:28 - 3:06:28)
votes.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:28 - 3:06:29)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:30 - 3:06:36)
It is, while it is the policy of the board that we have two readings normally, it's not required. So

[Speaker 4] (3:06:36 - 3:06:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:36 - 3:06:38)
if the vote is if the board is so inclined to

[Speaker 4] (3:06:38 - 3:06:38)
Mm-hmm. I hate

[Speaker 2] (3:06:38 - 3:06:39)
approve

[Speaker 4] (3:06:39 - 3:06:39)
I think they the just

[Speaker 2] (3:06:39 - 3:06:39)
concept

[Speaker 4] (3:06:39 - 3:06:42)
said you need it by August 1st, right? Ardelia?

[Speaker 10] (3:06:42 - 3:06:44)
I understand she policy have two readings. I would recommend um

[Speaker 10] (3:06:46 - 3:06:50)
it's a little t it's a it's it's a little sensitive where we're moving Cataldo up. They've been here for a long time.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:50 - 3:06:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:51 - 3:06:57)
Um sequencing moving them out of the building and some setting their contract and moving Goalport in.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:58 - 3:07:00)
It, you know, we have the

[Speaker 4] (3:07:00 - 3:07:01)
You need it.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:01 - 3:07:01)
we need

[Speaker 4] (3:07:01 - 3:07:01)
Sensitive.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:01 - 3:07:07)
it. Yeah. We have, you know, events coming up, we've got the the um um the

[Speaker 2] (3:07:07 - 3:07:07)
Block party.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:07 - 3:07:08)
The block, thank you, the b

[Speaker 4] (3:07:08 - 3:07:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:08 - 3:07:10)
the block battery will

[Speaker 4] (3:07:10 - 3:07:10)
Well

[Speaker 10] (3:07:10 - 3:07:16)
that we need stand-bys for that. It's like we're at a point where I it's it's a little uncomfortable asking Contel to do it when they know they're

[Speaker 2] (3:07:16 - 3:07:16)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:16 - 3:07:16)
going to be leave,

[Speaker 2] (3:07:16 - 3:07:16)
Of course.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:16 - 3:07:18)
they're going to be leaving so

[Speaker 2] (3:07:18 - 3:07:18)
Oh.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:18 - 3:07:18)
um

[Speaker 2] (3:07:18 - 3:07:18)
Oh.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:18 - 3:07:19)
yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:19 - 3:07:21)
It's one time. It's a slow response time. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:21 - 3:07:21)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:21 - 3:07:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:21 - 3:07:21)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:07:21 - 3:07:22)
they're right.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:22 - 3:07:33)
would say just in just to make sure we're perfectly clear with the board, there's one small change in the contract for for you we f um on the advisory town council we to we took the language for insurance requirements.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:33 - 3:07:34)
paid for it,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:34 - 3:07:47)
ordered it to our insurance carrier. They came back with a change on the auto liability from one million to five million and ballpark pushed back on that and said that that's it it's cost prohibitive to do that.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:47 - 3:07:47)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:47 - 3:08:00)
Um all the provisions in the insurance um ex meet or exceed what we've had and currently have with Cataldo. They're all at least where Cataldo is or and most of them are higher. Um but the five million was kind of a

[Speaker 10] (3:08:01 - 3:08:02)
Try for our insurance

[Speaker 4] (3:08:02 - 3:08:06)
So company how does that work then? So are you saying our insurance company has

[Speaker 10] (3:08:06 - 3:08:06)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:06 - 3:08:07)
pushed back?

[Speaker 2] (3:08:07 - 3:08:07)
No.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:07 - 3:08:08)
Oh, no, no. This is

[Speaker 7] (3:08:08 - 3:08:08)
Theirs.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:08 - 3:08:18)
for ball ports automobiles, their trucks, what their insurance coverage is if someone sues them.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:19 - 3:08:21)
So this is one million

[Speaker 3] (3:08:21 - 3:08:22)
dollars.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:22 - 3:08:27)
And then this is one, which is the same as we have with Cattelville.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:27 - 3:08:28)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:28 - 3:08:29)
Alright, so we have a motion.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:29 - 3:08:29)
Motion

[Speaker 1] (3:08:29 - 3:08:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:29 - 3:08:30)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:30 - 3:08:36)
We have a motion and a second. So all those in favor of approving the ambulance service agreement?

[Speaker 3] (3:08:36 - 3:08:36)
I.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:36 - 3:08:36)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:08:36 - 3:08:37)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:37 - 3:08:37)
Hi.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:37 - 3:08:39)
I. Opposed, none.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:39 - 3:08:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:39 - 3:08:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:40 - 3:08:41)
Thank you, Chair.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:41 - 3:08:42)
Thank you, Graham.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:42 - 3:08:44)
Graham, for all the hard work on this and for

[Speaker 3] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
seeing

[Speaker 3] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
congratulations.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:44 - 3:08:45)
this came around.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:50 - 3:08:52)
Where are we on now? Pine Street? Pine Street.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:52 - 3:08:53)
Fine Street.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:58 - 3:09:04)
We have, we, the agenda has the conversation of the 1.5 to rehab Burrell Street first.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:05 - 3:09:06)
Yes, he does.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:07 - 3:09:09)
By design,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:09 - 3:09:11)
Todd, you're looking at me yes? Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:11 - 3:09:12)
Is that okay?

[Speaker 2] (3:09:13 - 3:09:15)
It's your agenda, I'm just facilitating it,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:15 - 3:09:21)
because I wasn't here to create it. So if there's a method to your madness, I'm willing to play it out.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:21 - 3:09:22)
There is. Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:23 - 3:09:26)
Okay. So for

[Speaker 1] (3:09:28 - 3:09:34)
To try to bring resolution to this long saga,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:35 - 3:09:36)
we,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:36 - 3:09:43)
I think, hopefully it's clear to everybody that's really been paying attention that everybody wants veterans housing.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:45 - 3:09:52)
And the major squabble we've been having all along is about the post.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:52 - 3:10:20)
whether or not we can fit it there somehow or it needs to be somewhere else okay so this is my I'll take responsibility for trying to get to a closure and full solution to this overall project which is to say that if assuming all goes well with beneath earth eventually we'll get the town will get

[Speaker 1] (3:10:21 - 3:10:33)
a rental payment of 1.54 million dollars um for letting them use that property for ninety nine years. Uh that will come after closing, correcting if I'm wrong. Timing-wise.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:33 - 3:10:34)
At closing,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
At

[Speaker 2] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
closing.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:34 - 3:10:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:35 - 3:10:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:36 - 3:10:36)
Um

[Speaker 1] (3:10:38 - 3:10:51)
So, if we proceed with the housing as the schematic design that we saw earlier and will be voting on tonight moves forward in that way,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:51 - 3:11:05)
this proposal is to have the select board commit the $1.5 million that we'll be getting from the rental payment to ensure that the post actually gets built.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:06 - 3:11:09)
Right in a very modern, fully ADA,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:09 - 3:11:16)
as best as possible way within that, you know, rather old building.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:16 - 3:11:19)
But we're not committing everything and anything.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:20 - 3:11:23)
It's not unlimited, but we do have this 1.5 million.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:23 - 3:11:25)
If we had built the post there,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:25 - 3:11:30)
we pretty much would have used that up with the building of the shell and then the actual build out,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:30 - 3:11:32)
roughly speaking.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:31 - 3:11:51)
me speaking. So the idea here is let's, you know, put our money where our mouth is and make sure that we're actually going to be true to the vets and really move the post and really deliver to them a post that's, you know, appropriate and usable and in good modern condition.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:53 - 3:11:54)
So that's the basics.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:55 - 3:11:57)
And Doug and I met with Council and Jeanne

[Speaker 1] (3:11:57 - 3:11:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:57 - 3:12:00)
this week to understand how we go about doing that

[Speaker 1] (3:12:00 - 3:12:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:00 - 3:12:04)
and which they gave us two options.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:04 - 3:12:04)
They did?

[Speaker 2] (3:12:04 - 3:12:05)
Do you want to

[Speaker 1] (3:12:05 - 3:12:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:05 - 3:12:05)
go into that?

[Speaker 1] (3:12:05 - 3:12:07)
There are two options.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:10 - 3:12:12)
First is

[Speaker 1] (3:12:12 - 3:12:19)
When the money comes in, it goes into an account, a separate account called proceeds from sale of real estate account,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:20 - 3:12:31)
and then after that then town meeting would appropriate those funds to the actual rehab of the building,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:31 - 3:12:36)
and that would require a majority vote of town meeting if we took that path,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:36 - 3:12:37)
okay?

[Speaker 1] (3:12:38 - 3:12:39)
The other path,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:39 - 3:12:41)
And, sorry, just to clarify,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:41 - 3:12:45)
we do not need town meetings approval to put the proceeds in that account.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:45 - 3:12:45)
No.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:45 - 3:12:52)
We can do that. What we need town meetings approval for is to appropriate and move those funds to renovate the building.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:55 - 3:13:04)
the other option is that we create a special purpose stabilization fund.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:06 - 3:13:35)
that would be very specific to 89 borough the the slight drawback and even after our conversation I'm still a little fuzzy on this the slight drawback to the first approach is that these funds go into that account nothing happens until the closing then you have to have a town meeting and at that point we're a year and a half two years down the road

[Speaker 1] (3:13:35 - 3:13:52)
and God knows who's around or what they remember or what the priorities are or what happens. So there's a little bit of vagueness there about whether or not definitively those monies actually get spent on the post or there's something else that could happen at that point. So that's the drawback there.

[Speaker 4] (3:13:54 - 3:13:55)
Couldn't we do an M_O_U_

[Speaker 1] (3:13:56 - 3:13:56)
A what?

[Speaker 4] (3:13:57 - 3:13:57)
An M_O_U_

[Speaker 2] (3:13:57 - 3:13:58)
Can we do a memo of understanding?

[Speaker 4] (3:13:59 - 3:14:01)
To solidify that so there is no question,

[Speaker 4] (3:14:01 - 3:14:02)
there is no vagueness.

[Speaker 4] (3:14:03 - 3:14:03)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (3:14:03 - 3:14:04)
With

[Speaker 4] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04)
we

[Speaker 7] (3:14:04 - 3:14:06)
that approach, it didn't appear that.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:06 - 3:14:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:06 - 3:14:07)
I mean, maybe.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
I mean we

[Speaker 2] (3:14:08 - 3:14:13)
I think to Daniel's point, we could, we could all sign it to say this is the understanding and intention of the funds.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:13 - 3:14:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:13 - 3:14:14)
However, it's still there

[Speaker 4] (3:14:14 - 3:14:14)
Has to

[Speaker 2] (3:14:14 - 3:14:14)
don't

[Speaker 4] (3:14:14 - 3:14:15)
be implemented

[Speaker 2] (3:14:15 - 3:14:15)
have the ability

[Speaker 4] (3:14:15 - 3:14:16)
by whoever is here, right.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:16 - 3:14:17)
to spend those funds.

[Speaker 4] (3:14:17 - 3:14:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:18 - 3:14:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:18 - 3:14:24)
Tom Meeting has the ability to spend those funds. So even though we can say it is the attention of the board that we're putting this money aside for this purpose,

[Speaker 4] (3:14:24 - 3:14:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:25 - 3:14:26)
we can be very clear and we can all sign it.

[Speaker 4] (3:14:26 - 3:14:27)
We might mean nothing.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:27 - 3:14:29)
How we have no authority to spend it. Tom

[Speaker 7] (3:14:29 - 3:14:29)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:29 - 3:14:34)
Meeting has authority to spend it. So we need to rely on the with their majority vote to spend it.

[Speaker 4] (3:14:34 - 3:14:34)
Got it.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:34 - 3:14:37)
Which is kind of true in the other scenario too.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:37 - 3:14:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:37 - 3:14:40)
I think it's more of a timing thing and specificity thing.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:40 - 3:14:43)
So let me get to the second one is a special purpose stabilization fund.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:43 - 3:14:52)
In this situation, at this upcoming town meeting before we get the funds at all, we would create that special purpose stabilization fund.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:52 - 3:14:54)
There would be any money in it,

[Speaker 7] (3:14:54 - 3:15:00)
but it would be dedicated to 89 borough. We'd have this discussion while it's still kind of fresh in everyone's mind.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:00 - 3:15:09)
and the account would be set up basically. Everyone would be, you know, hopefully uh generally an approving uh in approval of that.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:09 - 3:15:11)
Um and then

[Speaker 2] (3:15:11 - 3:15:11)
That

[Speaker 7] (3:15:11 - 3:15:12)
once

[Speaker 2] (3:15:12 - 3:15:12)
requires

[Speaker 7] (3:15:12 - 3:15:16)
the ah thank you, that requires a two-thirds vote though to set up

[Speaker 2] (3:15:16 - 3:15:17)
that To create a stabilisation

[Speaker 7] (3:15:17 - 3:15:17)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:17 - 3:15:17)
fund.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:17 - 3:15:22)
So a little bit higher threshold, but you get the specificity.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:22 - 3:15:28)
And then once the funds come in, there's a second vote that has to happen to actually appropriate.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:28 - 3:15:29)
Really appropriate the money.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:29 - 3:15:31)
And that's a two-thirds vote as well.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:31 - 3:15:32)
That one is not. That's

[Speaker 2] (3:15:32 - 3:15:32)
second

[Speaker 7] (3:15:32 - 3:15:33)
a majority vote.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:33 - 3:15:33)
vote vote,

[Speaker 4] (3:15:33 - 3:15:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:33 - 3:15:34)
just like the other one.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:34 - 3:15:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35)
Got it.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:37 - 3:15:47)
But the funds in the stabilization account are protected and they can only be used for a purpose, as you know, in stabilization accounts they're very specific as to purpose. So

[Speaker 2] (3:15:49 - 3:15:51)
The funds couldn't get spent for another reason.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:51 - 3:15:56)
So town meeting could not appropriate those funds under the stabilization fund,

[Speaker 2] (3:15:56 - 3:15:57)
but they couldn't go to anything else.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:57 - 3:15:58)
And then we're stuck.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:58 - 3:15:59)
And then we're stuck.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:59 - 3:15:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:16:00 - 3:16:00)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:02 - 3:16:06)
So there's slight pros and cons,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:06 - 3:16:07)
obviously, to both these.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:08 - 3:16:13)
I would recommend we actually go to the special purpose stabilization fund because while we're stuck,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:13 - 3:16:14)
what...

[Speaker 7] (3:16:15 - 3:16:22)
we're not actually totally forever stuck. There would have to be yet another vote of town meeting to release the funds into

[Speaker 4] (3:16:22 - 3:16:22)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:22 - 3:16:24)
some other fund. You could always

[Speaker 4] (3:16:24 - 3:16:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:25 - 3:16:29)
extract them. Say we spent $1.2 million and everyone,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:29 - 3:16:31)
you know, the day nine borough was perfect and,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:31 - 3:16:34)
you know, the post was perfect. We still have $300,000 in there.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:34 - 3:16:39)
You could still come back and say, oh, we're going to take those funds back and they could go somewhere else. Town meeting would do that.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:41 - 3:16:41)
So.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:42 - 3:16:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:45 - 3:16:45)
So.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:47 - 3:17:01)
That's my proposal is that we go forward with a vote of this board to create to recommend to town meeting that we create a special purpose stabilization fund for the rehabilitation of 89B.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:01 - 3:17:02)
Are you making that motion?

[Speaker 7] (3:17:03 - 3:17:06)
In the to the tune of 1.5 million dollars. Yes, I'm making that motion.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:06 - 3:17:07)
And I will second that

[Speaker 4] (3:17:07 - 3:17:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:07 - 3:17:07)
motion.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:07 - 3:17:08)
I would have too.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:08 - 3:17:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:09 - 3:17:09)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:10 - 3:17:12)
Is there further discussion? Questions?

[Speaker 4] (3:17:12 - 3:17:14)
No, I would, to be honest,

[Speaker 4] (3:17:15 - 3:17:20)
I would just, I feel like I would rather have a little bit of time to think about this.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:20 - 3:17:20)
I mean, I,

[Speaker 4] (3:17:20 - 3:17:27)
of course, I do want to see the post rehab made sure that it was up to par,

[Speaker 4] (3:17:27 - 3:17:30)
you know, better than what they have right now.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:30 - 3:17:39)
I'm just, you know, it's just this is the first time I'm hearing about it. So it's just a little tough for me to jump on board. Also with the.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:42 - 3:17:46)
What hap what I it's just it would just just want to think about it a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:46 - 3:17:55)
This this is just this this is just this board's vote to advance this to a special town meeting or an annual town meeting warrant.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:56 - 3:17:56)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:17:56 - 3:17:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:56 - 3:18:08)
this provides that guid guidance to town staff as well as councils to in to include warrant language. So I mean it may be the first time that you're hearing about it, but I do think that

[Speaker 1] (3:18:08 - 3:18:24)
You know, we did make a we did make a commitment to the veterans, we did make a c a commitment, we are, you know, this board did vote to move them from their from their post and move them to Borough Street, and I think we owe it to them to allocate these funds and to

[Speaker 1] (3:18:28 - 3:18:33)
So I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. There's a motion, there's a second,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:33 - 3:18:34)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:18:34 - 3:18:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:34 - 3:18:36)
we should provide that direction tonight.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:36 - 3:18:41)
And I think, too, you know, when we had this major discussion,

[Speaker 3] (3:18:41 - 3:18:46)
one of my key reasons for voting for it was that we were going to commit.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:47 - 3:18:52)
to doing something for the veterans. And as long as we did that, I felt comfortable voting the way I did.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:52 - 3:18:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:53 - 3:19:00)
And I think that does this does that, you know, and they so I would that's why I would feel good about it.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:00 - 3:19:07)
I think, too, it's important most of this meeting we've spent feeling a little less unified than we should be.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:08 - 3:19:13)
And I think it's important in taking steps forward to repair some of the things that occurred.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:14 - 3:19:18)
That we, to David's language,

[Speaker 4] (3:19:18 - 3:19:19)
put our money where our mouth is,

[Speaker 3] (3:19:19 - 3:19:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:19:19 - 3:19:23)
like take action on the commitments we make and not just make them words.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:23 - 3:19:26)
So I have no problem voting on this tonight.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:27 - 3:19:29)
And to be honest about it, right,

[Speaker 3] (3:19:29 - 3:19:32)
we had amongst the five of us, it was a contentious vote.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:32 - 3:19:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:32 - 3:19:40)
So this is something that means a lot to both of you, like to your point, like to bring a little bit of closure to this process that was difficult.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:40 - 3:19:43)
Like I would support that for that purpose alone.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:44 - 3:19:48)
But I also want to support it for the veterans because we did commit to doing something for them.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:49 - 3:19:50)
All right, so that

[Speaker 1] (3:19:50 - 3:19:51)
I certainly

[Speaker 6] (3:19:51 - 3:19:51)
President.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:51 - 3:19:51)
appreciate that.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:51 - 3:19:57)
And I appreciate what Mary Ellen's point out, because I'm not hearing from Mary Ellen a real concern about the it was really at least

[Speaker 4] (3:19:57 - 3:19:57)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:57 - 3:19:58)
what I'm hearing from it, it's not about the substance,

[Speaker 4] (3:19:58 - 3:19:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:59 - 3:19:59)
about the one for you.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:59 - 3:20:00)
No, it's not about the

[Speaker 1] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
It's

[Speaker 6] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
substance,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
about technicalities

[Speaker 6] (3:20:00 - 3:20:01)
I'm uh that's

[Speaker 1] (3:20:01 - 3:20:01)
of the contract.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:01 - 3:20:02)
all it is, it's just a technical

[Speaker 1] (3:20:02 - 3:20:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:03 - 3:20:12)
yeah, no no no, it's not about the substance whatsoever, I've I've said that the additional monies that coming through need to go into um reb rehabilitating.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:12 - 3:20:19)
So um would it be reasonable if we proceed tonight uh hearing what you're I understand about concern,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:19 - 3:20:20)
concern you need to hear just for the first time

[Speaker 6] (3:20:20 - 3:20:21)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:21 - 3:20:27)
with the open door to say you know hey if we if we've learned something over the next two weeks two months whatever it is

[Speaker 6] (3:20:27 - 3:20:27)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:27 - 3:20:28)
we realize

[Speaker 6] (3:20:28 - 3:20:28)
Making

[Speaker 1] (3:20:28 - 3:20:28)
hey an actually

[Speaker 6] (3:20:28 - 3:20:29)
adjustment

[Speaker 1] (3:20:29 - 3:20:29)
this

[Speaker 6] (3:20:29 - 3:20:29)
to

[Speaker 1] (3:20:29 - 3:20:29)
other

[Speaker 6] (3:20:29 - 3:20:29)
the,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:29 - 3:20:30)
path was better open

[Speaker 6] (3:20:30 - 3:20:31)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:31 - 3:20:33)
door to bring it back and technically correct what our path is

[Speaker 6] (3:20:33 - 3:20:43)
Right, if I, because I do know that sometimes when you, there are certain stabilization funds, there's technical provisions within them and that we, it can keep us away from money.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:43 - 3:20:46)
Like right now we have a fund where we have about

[Speaker 6] (3:20:46 - 3:20:53)
a little over $300,000 in a fund that we cannot spend the money except for on a new property.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:54 - 3:21:03)
So we've got $300,000 sitting in our accounts that we can't touch until we buy a new property. So there's just a couple little financial hang-ups

[Speaker 4] (3:21:03 - 3:21:03)
I think

[Speaker 6] (3:21:03 - 3:21:03)
there.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:03 - 3:21:12)
maybe we can nuance the vote, too, to say as we understand it today with the ability to extract any excess money and if anything should change we

[Speaker 6] (3:21:12 - 3:21:14)
The other thing is making sure that we have

[Speaker 6] (3:21:14 - 3:21:22)
have a lot of room, because Marjie's gonna be applying for grants for um rehabilitating under the Disabilities Act.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:23 - 3:21:27)
And, you know, this this is kind of the the will of the board almost really at

[Speaker 6] (3:21:27 - 3:21:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:27 - 3:21:28)
at the moment, you

[Speaker 6] (3:21:28 - 3:21:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:28 - 3:21:31)
know, we've got it we've got a particular vehicle we're proposing right

[Speaker 6] (3:21:31 - 3:21:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:31 - 3:21:34)
now. Ultimately we'll have an we'll have a warrant, we'll

[Speaker 4] (3:21:34 - 3:21:34)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:34 - 3:21:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:35 - 3:21:35)
we'll have to

[Speaker 4] (3:21:35 - 3:21:35)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:35 - 3:21:35)
actually

[Speaker 4] (3:21:35 - 3:21:36)
We

[Speaker 3] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
have Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
put

[Speaker 4] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
to

[Speaker 1] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
a

[Speaker 4] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
actually

[Speaker 1] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
big specific

[Speaker 4] (3:21:36 - 3:21:37)
go on

[Speaker 1] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
line

[Speaker 6] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
Of course,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
record,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
item of course,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
but

[Speaker 6] (3:21:37 - 3:21:38)
of course.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:38 - 3:21:40)
w yeah, we I think we've always been in favour of this.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:41 - 3:21:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:42 - 3:21:43)
Okay, so

[Speaker 3] (3:21:43 - 3:21:43)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:21:43 - 3:21:43)
then

[Speaker 3] (3:21:43 - 3:21:44)
we're going to take a vote now?

[Speaker 4] (3:21:44 - 3:21:46)
I would love to take a vote now.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:46 - 3:21:46)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:46 - 3:21:49)
So all those in favor, Gina was ready.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:49 - 3:21:49)
Wow.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:49 - 3:21:56)
All those in favor of the motion Doug presented of these, what does he call it,

[Speaker 7] (3:21:56 - 3:21:56)
Special

[Speaker 4] (3:21:56 - 3:21:56)
infrastructure

[Speaker 7] (3:21:56 - 3:21:57)
Purpose Stabilization

[Speaker 4] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
appropriation, stable

[Speaker 7] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
Fund

[Speaker 4] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
fund

[Speaker 7] (3:21:57 - 3:21:58)
for $89

[Speaker 4] (3:21:58 - 3:21:58)
for 89

[Speaker 7] (3:21:58 - 3:21:59)
Borough. Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:59 - 3:22:05)
borough and $1.5 million from the Pine Street payment to go into it.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:05 - 3:22:06)
at closing for

[Speaker 3] (3:22:06 - 3:22:08)
for the rehabilitation.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:08 - 3:22:14)
the rehabilitation and uh uh perhaps a friendly amendment rehabilitation and moving the

[Speaker 8] (3:22:14 - 3:22:14)
All right.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:14 - 3:22:16)
veterans from

[Speaker 3] (3:22:16 - 3:22:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:16 - 3:22:21)
the post to Beryl Street because it's not just rehabbing it's also physically helping them move

[Speaker 3] (3:22:21 - 3:22:21)
Facilitating.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:21 - 3:22:24)
to facilitate to re-facilitate to facilitate that.

[Speaker 3] (3:22:24 - 3:22:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:24 - 3:22:25)
Um

[Speaker 4] (3:22:26 - 3:22:29)
so all those in favour uh

[Speaker 3] (3:22:29 - 3:22:29)
Aye. Aye.

[Speaker 8] (3:22:29 - 3:22:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:29 - 3:22:31)
aye very good.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:33 - 3:22:46)
Okay so now we can move on to a discussion and possible vote on twelve to twenty four Pine Street's schematic design. And folks are here from Bene thank you so much for being up so late.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:46 - 3:22:48)
I move approval.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:48 - 3:22:49)
Okay, second.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:50 - 3:22:52)
Uh all those in favour?

[Speaker 4] (3:22:53 - 3:22:55)
Are we joking or are we not?

[Speaker 1] (3:22:55 - 3:22:55)
No,

[Speaker 4] (3:22:55 - 3:22:55)
Because

[Speaker 1] (3:22:55 - 3:22:57)
we're not joking but we can discuss.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:57 - 3:22:58)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:59 - 3:23:00)
All right.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:00 - 3:23:05)
I would also like to acknowledge that we have the chair of the planning board on, uh on online as well. I think technically

[Speaker 4] (3:23:05 - 3:23:05)
Oh great,

[Speaker 6] (3:23:05 - 3:23:06)
it's on. So

[Speaker 4] (3:23:06 - 3:23:06)
fantastic.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:06 - 3:23:07)
I thought you

[Speaker 3] (3:23:07 - 3:23:07)
Oh hi, Ted.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:07 - 3:23:08)
might mention that.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:08 - 3:23:16)
Thank you. Could you do the side panel so we could see, I know T_D_ you just explained, I think B_D_ is filamental. But who the other folks are, it's nice to see

[Speaker 3] (3:23:16 - 3:23:16)
Ted,

[Speaker 4] (3:23:16 - 3:23:16)
Diane.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:16 - 3:23:17)
Ted Dooley, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:17 - 3:23:18)
Um

[Speaker 9] (3:23:18 - 3:23:19)
They should be able to

[Speaker 4] (3:23:19 - 3:23:23)
no if you could do the panels across so I can see who the full names are.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:25 - 3:23:26)
Ted Dooley, Mike Kelleher.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:27 - 3:23:28)
I guess, right?

[Speaker 4] (3:23:31 - 3:23:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:33 - 3:23:34)
Is that better?

[Speaker 4] (3:23:34 - 3:23:42)
Thank you. No, that's fine. Never mind. I can see them all now. Um alrighty. So

[Speaker 4] (3:23:48 - 3:23:49)
Marzie, do you want to start start

[Speaker 6] (3:23:49 - 3:23:50)
Absolutely, yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:50 - 3:23:51)
having a

[Speaker 6] (3:23:51 - 3:23:53)
Thank you. So in your package you should have

[Speaker 4] (3:23:53 - 3:23:54)
loss of consciousness

[Speaker 6] (3:23:54 - 3:23:54)
sorry.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:54 - 3:23:55)
over here.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:55 - 3:23:55)
Yeah, literally.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:56 - 3:23:56)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:56 - 3:23:56)
Dylan's

[Speaker 6] (3:23:56 - 3:23:57)
So silent as and you

[Speaker 4] (3:23:57 - 3:23:57)
time.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:57 - 3:23:59)
heard earlier from Gino today,

[Speaker 6] (3:23:59 - 3:24:14)
it's really exciting that Vinay Bithousing received their project eligibility letter from the executive office of housing a livable communities. So that really give pass provides a pathway for us to advance with the project. The next

[Speaker 6] (3:24:14 - 3:24:18)
sort of uh uh threshold or um

[Speaker 10] (3:24:18 - 3:24:37)
A timeline that we should meet or a milestone that we have to reach is to approve the schematic plans. So as you know, we received a copy of the schematic plans and this board had requested that our planning board provide us with some feedback or comments in regards to the plan.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:38 - 3:24:46)
Once again, in your package you will receive the comments from the planning board as well as response from the B'nai B'rith team.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:46 - 3:24:55)
The comments range from request to relocate or recenter the building to the center of the parcel,

[Speaker 10] (3:24:56 - 3:25:00)
as well as to look at the massing of the building,

[Speaker 10] (3:25:00 - 3:25:04)
talked about trying to preserve some trees,

[Speaker 10] (3:25:04 - 3:25:11)
also have requested for some privacy and screening from the porch on the second floor,

[Speaker 10] (3:25:11 - 3:25:15)
and again, look at parking.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:15 - 3:25:34)
parking as well as it did complement the design team and the project proponents in regards to the architectural features and the really blending in with the neighborhood really well and capturing the coastal New England character that we really wanted to bring into Swampscott.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:36 - 3:25:48)
I'm happy to go through, I'm not sure if you'd want us to have the midday breath really share their feedback or if there's anything else that you want to hear from the planning board right now.

[Speaker 4] (3:25:50 - 3:25:55)
Um, well I guess, well, how does the board want to handle this?

[Speaker 4] (3:25:55 - 3:26:01)
Do we want to go through, I mean I don't think we want to go through line by line all planning board's items unless you do.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:01 - 3:26:03)
I would look winning board items.

[Speaker 11] (3:26:04 - 3:26:05)
What was that, Daniel?

[Speaker 3] (3:26:05 - 3:26:09)
I looked at the planning board's notes and what they had.

[Speaker 11] (3:26:09 - 3:26:09)
I would admit

[Speaker 4] (3:26:09 - 3:26:09)
I mean,

[Speaker 11] (3:26:09 - 3:26:11)
that I didn't realize they were here.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:11 - 3:26:11)
okay,

[Speaker 4] (3:26:11 - 3:26:12)
so

[Speaker 11] (3:26:12 - 3:26:13)
But that doesn't mean we should go through it.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:13 - 3:26:17)
it would seem to me like what we have to decide if the planning board's

[Speaker 4] (3:26:18 - 3:26:28)
Comments are going to be our comments to B'nai, such that B'nai has to modify the proposal to incorporate them. I think B'nai answered some of these concerns.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:28 - 3:26:28)
That's correct.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:28 - 3:26:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:29 - 3:26:43)
So maybe we've best to hear from B'nai to just figure out which ones they've answered so we don't have to worry about those if there are any, and which ones maybe are off the table or modified based on the feedback from the planning board.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:44 - 3:26:44)
Does that make sense?

[Speaker 4] (3:26:44 - 3:26:45)
So is that okay,

[Speaker 3] (3:26:45 - 3:26:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:45 - 3:26:46)
Holly, Yara?

[Speaker 12] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:51 - 3:26:57)
So the first item from the chair is the privacy screening,

[Speaker 4] (3:26:58 - 3:27:00)
the privacy and screening adjacent to Erie Street.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:00 - 3:27:01)
Is there a reason we're...

[Speaker 4] (3:27:02 - 3:27:06)
I'm just using the front page for the top four items here.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:08 - 3:27:08)
here.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:08 - 3:27:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:08 - 3:27:12)
She was, I have I have this moving into the centre of the lot is the

[Speaker 1] (3:27:13 - 3:27:14)
Yeah, building placement and site layout.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:15 - 3:27:15)
Is there a reason

[Speaker 10] (3:27:15 - 3:27:16)
That's the next one. That will be on the next

[Speaker 11] (3:27:16 - 3:27:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:16 - 3:27:17)
page.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:17 - 3:27:17)
So Ted

[Speaker 11] (3:27:17 - 3:27:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:18 - 3:27:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:18 - 3:27:18)
he

[Speaker 11] (3:27:18 - 3:27:18)
We can use

[Speaker 4] (3:27:18 - 3:27:18)
did

[Speaker 11] (3:27:18 - 3:27:19)
it a in top.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:19 - 3:27:20)
very nice summary

[Speaker 3] (3:27:20 - 3:27:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:20 - 3:27:26)
which is not as dense as the chart in the back on the very first page to us.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:26 - 3:27:28)
Some of those finance people like the grid, I'll see.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:28 - 3:27:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:29 - 3:27:30)
I'm very wordy I guess.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:30 - 3:27:31)
Yeah, nice.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:33 - 3:27:38)
So go ahead, Holly, sorry.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:39 - 3:27:45)
So I'm not sure what paperwork you're all looking at, but hi,

[Speaker 13] (3:27:45 - 3:27:47)
I'm Holly Grace from the neighbor town.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:47 - 3:27:49)
Nice to see all of you.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:51 - 3:27:54)
What document do you have in front of you? I do.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:54 - 3:27:54)
Well,

[Speaker 13] (3:27:54 - 3:27:54)
I have

[Speaker 4] (3:27:54 - 3:27:59)
I guess we have a letter from the chair of the planning board to the select board.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:59 - 3:28:03)
The cover letter of it is a four

[Speaker 6] (3:28:03 - 3:28:04)
Four points of a really

[Speaker 4] (3:28:04 - 3:28:08)
points that they wanted to highlight for us to consider.

[Speaker 4] (3:28:09 - 3:28:11)
And I guess for us to consider.

[Speaker 6] (3:28:11 - 3:28:12)
two of them are non points.

[Speaker 11] (3:28:12 - 3:28:14)
The reason the grid, if I may, is

[Speaker 4] (3:28:14 - 3:28:14)
Okay,

[Speaker 11] (3:28:14 - 3:28:15)
how go come

[Speaker 4] (3:28:15 - 3:28:15)
ahead.

[Speaker 11] (3:28:15 - 3:28:19)
it's just because like you have the comment from the planning board summarized and then you have already

[Speaker 1] (3:28:20 - 3:28:20)
Oh I

[Speaker 2] (3:28:20 - 3:28:21)
Benning Griffith right

[Speaker 1] (3:28:21 - 3:28:21)
don't have

[Speaker 2] (3:28:21 - 3:28:21)
there.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:21 - 3:28:23)
a I don't have a grid in my package, so

[Speaker 3] (3:28:23 - 3:28:23)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:28:23 - 3:28:24)
if you want to give me

[Speaker 3] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
a you

[Speaker 1] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
new one.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:24 - 3:28:26)
do you want like I think if you mind if you like

[Speaker 1] (3:28:26 - 3:28:26)
You have a grid.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:26 - 3:28:26)
I don't know if you have it.

[Speaker 4] (3:28:26 - 3:28:32)
Do you have that in front of you? This is a the response memo that we prepare in response to

[Speaker 3] (3:28:32 - 3:28:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:28:32 - 3:28:33)
the

[Speaker 1] (3:28:33 - 3:28:34)
I don't have that particular

[Speaker 3] (3:28:34 - 3:28:35)
I do

[Speaker 1] (3:28:35 - 3:28:35)
document

[Speaker 3] (3:28:35 - 3:28:35)
have that.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:35 - 3:28:38)
because I received my packet early so I

[Speaker 3] (3:28:38 - 3:28:39)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:39 - 3:28:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:39 - 3:28:43)
Yeah, but there's another little packet. There's another packet Yeah, there was a lot of papers here, Diane.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:43 - 3:28:43)
It's after the picture.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:43 - 3:28:43)
The pictures.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:43 - 3:28:45)
It might be here somewhere,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:45 - 3:28:45)
I apologize,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:45 - 3:28:47)
but I don't see it anywhere.

[Speaker 4] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:47 - 3:28:49)
thank you, Marzi, appreciate it.

[Speaker 4] (3:28:49 - 3:28:49)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (3:28:49 - 3:28:50)
All

[Speaker 4] (3:28:50 - 3:28:50)
you.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:50 - 3:28:51)
right, so Doug,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:51 - 3:28:52)
fair point,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:52 - 3:28:54)
let's take it like that.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:55 - 3:28:57)
Okay, so the building placement,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:57 - 3:28:58)
layout and site,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:58 - 3:29:01)
this is the spreadsheet rubric,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:03 - 3:29:04)
whatever you want to call it.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:05 - 3:29:12)
So the comment from the planning board was to move the building to the center of the lot and turn the entrance to Erie Street.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:13 - 3:29:14)
Do you want to just summarize and answer?

[Speaker 4] (3:29:16 - 3:29:26)
Sure. I guess it would be very problematic to do this and have some consequences that I think are less than ideal.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:26 - 3:29:29)
We provided a lot of detail in the matrix,

[Speaker 4] (3:29:29 - 3:29:34)
but basically having two entrances is not ideal.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:36 - 3:29:37)
The parking circulation,

[Speaker 4] (3:29:38 - 3:29:51)
there's more curb cuts, there's less potentially less parking and also the floodplain concerns with shifting it over would result in the building appearing even taller than it

[Speaker 1] (3:29:51 - 3:29:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:51 - 3:29:52)
is right now.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:53 - 3:29:56)
Is that a sufficient overview of our response?

[Speaker 1] (3:29:56 - 3:29:56)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:56 - 3:29:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:56 - 3:29:56)
Holly, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:56 - 3:29:59)
And just to make sure we're completely following this,

[Speaker 2] (3:30:00 - 3:30:01)
we have one memo.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:02 - 3:30:07)
From the chair of the planning board, which is just two pages, four points,

[Speaker 2] (3:30:07 - 3:30:08)
we

[Speaker 1] (3:30:08 - 3:30:08)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:08 - 3:30:11)
have a separate memo from a member of the

[Speaker 3] (3:30:11 - 3:30:11)
Because

[Speaker 2] (3:30:11 - 3:30:11)
planning

[Speaker 3] (3:30:11 - 3:30:19)
what they did was they did not have a meeting. They ended up, the chair asked people to send in their personal recommendations.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:19 - 3:30:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:19 - 3:30:20)
So that's why you have separate information.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:20 - 3:30:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:30:21 - 3:30:21)
sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:22 - 3:30:30)
So let's stick to just building placement and site layout and just confirm then what our position will be so that we can be really clear.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:30 - 3:30:35)
from Marzi because she'll have to draft a letter or communicate to Binet.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:37 - 3:30:40)
So based on the response, do

[Speaker 1] (3:30:42 - 3:30:46)
we feel like we are comfortable with the building placement as is? I know that Mr.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:46 - 3:30:50)
Dooley also suggested just six

[Speaker 3] (3:30:50 - 3:30:51)
Six feet.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:51 - 3:30:52)
feet,

[Speaker 1] (3:30:52 - 3:30:54)
I think, of movement.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:57 - 3:31:03)
I think some of the response is still valid but maybe not all of it. Uh

[Speaker 2] (3:31:03 - 3:31:04)
Where's the sick? Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:04 - 3:31:10)
It was like 10 to 15 feet setback from Erie and then

[Speaker 3] (3:31:10 - 3:31:10)
Is

[Speaker 1] (3:31:10 - 3:31:10)
it says

[Speaker 3] (3:31:10 - 3:31:10)
Ted over there?

[Speaker 1] (3:31:10 - 3:31:14)
the current plan shows a reduced setback of roughly five feet so the difference between

[Speaker 1] (3:31:16 - 3:31:22)
five feet to be 10 to 15 feet would be a difference of five to ten feet of what they've proposed.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:22 - 3:31:33)
Which is a little bit different issue I mean he's just talking step back there versus fully centralizing you know there's two different pieces right the first one is really fully centralizing was one

[Speaker 3] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:34 - 3:31:37)
request and I think that's what Hallie just responded to.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:37 - 3:31:38)
Yes, I was just saying this

[Speaker 3] (3:31:38 - 3:31:39)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:31:39 - 3:31:39)
felt

[Speaker 3] (3:31:39 - 3:31:39)
where's

[Speaker 1] (3:31:39 - 3:31:43)
like in a similar vein, if we're not going to move the building into the center,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:43 - 3:31:47)
should we take on the consideration of the setback? Because I don't see the setback anywhere,

[Speaker 2] (3:31:47 - 3:31:47)
Gotcha,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:47 - 3:31:48)
well I guess

[Speaker 2] (3:31:48 - 3:31:48)
gotcha.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:48 - 3:31:49)
it's here,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:49 - 3:31:49)
setback current.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:50 - 3:31:52)
the setback in the matrix?

[Speaker 1] (3:31:52 - 3:31:54)
It's in the second matrix.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:54 - 3:31:54)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:54 - 3:31:55)
Following table

[Speaker 6] (3:31:55 - 3:31:55)
Third page.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:55 - 3:31:58)
summarizes Ted Julie chairman.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:58 - 3:31:58)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:31:59 - 3:32:00)
That's why, 'cause one

[Speaker 3] (3:32:00 - 3:32:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:00 - 3:32:04)
starts with Angela's comments and one starts with Ted's comments. So that's why.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:04 - 3:32:04)
Lord.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:04 - 3:32:07)
I apologise, Holly. Um alright.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:08 - 3:32:19)
So does anybody have any additional questions about Angela's comment related to centering the building or feedback for Holly on it? I mean I think they've made enough points to understand why that can't happen.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:19 - 3:32:19)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:19 - 3:32:19)
Does

[Speaker 7] (3:32:19 - 3:32:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:19 - 3:32:20)
anybody need additional clarity?

[Speaker 8] (3:32:20 - 3:32:21)
Nope.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:21 - 3:32:27)
Okay, great. The Angela's comments about the mass being too imposing and eliminating tower and deck?

[Speaker 1] (3:32:28 - 3:32:31)
Holly, do you want to touch on that? That's the second item.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:32 - 3:32:33)
The second item.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:34 - 3:32:35)
I move that we raise

[Speaker 4] (3:32:35 - 3:32:35)
So our,

[Speaker 1] (3:32:35 - 3:32:35)
the price though.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:35 - 3:32:36)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:37 - 3:32:39)
We are in the meeting time. What's the next item?

[Speaker 3] (3:32:40 - 3:32:40)
Sorry Holly.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:42 - 3:32:42)
No,

[Speaker 4] (3:32:42 - 3:32:42)
Would

[Speaker 1] (3:32:42 - 3:32:43)
those

[Speaker 4] (3:32:43 - 3:32:43)
we

[Speaker 1] (3:32:43 - 3:32:43)
are all

[Speaker 4] (3:32:43 - 3:32:43)
all

[Speaker 1] (3:32:43 - 3:32:43)
things

[Speaker 4] (3:32:43 - 3:32:44)
like if I share?

[Speaker 4] (3:32:44 - 3:32:46)
Would it be helpful if I share the memo?

[Speaker 3] (3:32:46 - 3:32:47)
No, we all have

[Speaker 1] (3:32:47 - 3:32:47)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:32:47 - 3:32:47)
it.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:47 - 3:32:48)
we all have it in front of

[Speaker 4] (3:32:48 - 3:32:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:49 - 3:32:49)
us. I just was

[Speaker 2] (3:32:49 - 3:32:49)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:32:49 - 3:32:49)
wondering.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:49 - 3:32:50)
we have multiple,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:50 - 3:32:51)
but we have multiple memos.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:51 - 3:32:53)
No, we're only looking at this, the answer though.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:53 - 3:32:56)
The memorandum. So we only looking at Angela's or Ted's?

[Speaker 2] (3:32:56 - 3:32:58)
Okay, yeah, I missed it too.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:58 - 3:33:00)
All this on the front page, the grid

[Speaker 1] (3:33:00 - 3:33:01)
It's

[Speaker 2] (3:33:01 - 3:33:04)
and on to the second is all in response to the centering of the building.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:04 - 3:33:04)
building.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:04 - 3:33:04)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:04 - 3:33:06)
So we've covered that. We're done with that.

[Speaker 9] (3:33:06 - 3:33:07)
Got it.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:07 - 3:33:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:07 - 3:33:07)
Now we're on

[Speaker 3] (3:33:07 - 3:33:07)
On

[Speaker 1] (3:33:07 - 3:33:08)
to the

[Speaker 3] (3:33:08 - 3:33:08)
to the next.

[Speaker 9] (3:33:08 - 3:33:08)
building massing.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:08 - 3:33:09)
Building massing

[Speaker 1] (3:33:09 - 3:33:09)
Building

[Speaker 2] (3:33:09 - 3:33:09)
and and massing.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:09 - 3:33:09)
massing

[Speaker 3] (3:33:09 - 3:33:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:09 - 3:33:10)
There you go.

[Speaker 9] (3:33:10 - 3:33:10)
Okay, I'm with

[Speaker 1] (3:33:10 - 3:33:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:33:10 - 3:33:10)
you.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:10 - 3:33:11)
Now we're

[Speaker 1] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
catching up

[Speaker 1] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
Angela

[Speaker 2] (3:33:11 - 3:33:12)
to the agenda.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:12 - 3:33:17)
made a comment that the massing was too imposing and she requested the elimination of the tower and deck.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:17 - 3:33:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:18 - 3:33:19)
So in

[Speaker 3] (3:33:19 - 3:33:20)
Is that a plus?

[Speaker 1] (3:33:20 - 3:33:28)
response, you guys said the tower was designed to break up the massing and articulate the corner entrance.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:29 - 3:33:33)
A flat roof would make a building feel larger, more commercial.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:33 - 3:33:47)
The sloped roof is a better fit for a residential context and the additional renderings that show the building in context with the neighborhood homes were attached to the response by Panik so

[Speaker 1] (3:33:48 - 3:33:55)
that you could see what it might look like looking down the street for example.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:55 - 3:33:57)
With current housing.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:58 - 3:33:59)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:59 - 3:34:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:01 - 3:34:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:02 - 3:34:03)
How did you get that?

[Speaker 1] (3:34:03 - 3:34:05)
This is at the end of the matrix.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:06 - 3:34:07)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:07 - 3:34:08)
I want

[Speaker 1] (3:34:08 - 3:34:08)
Now you don't have that one?

[Speaker 2] (3:34:08 - 3:34:10)
the matrix then.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:10 - 3:34:11)
You're the Come deep, you're

[Speaker 3] (3:34:11 - 3:34:11)
in the in matrix.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:11 - 3:34:12)
a deeper matrix

[Speaker 3] (3:34:12 - 3:34:12)
Now.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:12 - 3:34:12)
area.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:12 - 3:34:22)
Alright, well I got mine from Margie, so maybe that's why. But I'll show you guys, so you can see like if you're looking down the street, you you can Right. see where the houses are and then where how the building is as proposed.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:22 - 3:34:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:22 - 3:34:28)
So you can see that the way they designed it was to fit in with the site lines.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:28 - 3:34:31)
Thank good w thank goodness we're making it three stories.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:31 - 3:34:33)
Yeah, Rachel, could you bring that up?

[Speaker 4] (3:34:34 - 3:34:34)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:35 - 3:34:36)
So I guess I can make these a little bit smaller.

[Speaker 10] (3:34:38 - 3:34:40)
It's ten o'clock, the eagles are off.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:42 - 3:34:44)
Let me help you remind help remind you.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:46 - 3:34:49)
Um beautiful, thank you. Appreciate that.

[Speaker 10] (3:34:50 - 3:34:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:51 - 3:34:51)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:34:52 - 3:34:58)
So this is the view down Pine Street and the view down Erie Street.

[Speaker 11] (3:34:59 - 3:35:00)
Right, it looks like it fits in.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:02 - 3:35:02)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (3:35:02 - 3:35:15)
All right. So just with regards to that comment by Angela about building mass and height, does anybody have feelings or additional feedback they want to share? Or do they feel like they understand Benet's situation about why they feel like that's not?

[Speaker 2] (3:35:16 - 3:35:19)
We don't see the tower really in this view, is that correct?

[Speaker 2] (3:35:20 - 3:35:20)
How

[Speaker 4] (3:35:20 - 3:35:20)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (3:35:20 - 3:35:20)
many?

[Speaker 1] (3:35:20 - 3:35:21)
No, that's half, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:35:21 - 3:35:26)
Because we previously had it in the schematic design,

[Speaker 4] (3:35:26 - 3:35:28)
I can bring the renderings up.

[Speaker 4] (3:35:28 - 3:35:36)
The two renderings that were included in our memo are new renderings that show different perspectives that hadn't been presented before,

[Speaker 4] (3:35:36 - 3:35:42)
but this is the schematic design set that I'm sharing now,

[Speaker 4] (3:35:42 - 3:35:47)
that you guys have previously seen, and this is the tab where she is.

[Speaker 4] (3:35:47 - 3:35:48)
referencing.

[Speaker 1] (3:35:50 - 3:35:56)
Yeah. Okay, so just if there's no additional comments or questions for Vinay, we can move on to the next item,

[Speaker 11] (3:35:56 - 3:35:57)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:35:57 - 3:35:58)
which is that parking is inadequate.

[Speaker 1] (3:35:59 - 3:36:01)
Um so I think we've talked about

[Speaker 3] (3:36:01 - 3:36:01)
We've already

[Speaker 1] (3:36:01 - 3:36:01)
that.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:01 - 3:36:02)
talked at about

[Speaker 1] (3:36:02 - 3:36:02)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:36:02 - 3:36:02)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:36:02 - 3:36:02)
know

[Speaker 3] (3:36:02 - 3:36:02)
so so

[Speaker 1] (3:36:02 - 3:36:02)
at the

[Speaker 3] (3:36:02 - 3:36:02)
ad nauseum.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:02 - 3:36:03)
other meetings.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:04 - 3:36:06)
So unless anybody has any additional questions we can move on.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:07 - 3:36:07)
Nope.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:07 - 3:36:16)
Okay. Landscaping tree removal for convenience. The answer, the developer has contracted an arborist and we'll reassess removal and explore saving more trees.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:17 - 3:36:21)
I think we had given that feedback whatever a month ago when we started the conversation.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:22 - 3:36:24)
So appreciate that.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:24 - 3:36:25)
I think that's Marcy something.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:27 - 3:36:32)
That when we're providing feedback, we request that they do. They have committed to doing it, but just to put it in writing.

[Speaker 11] (3:36:32 - 3:36:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:33 - 3:36:36)
Okay, so the next table, that is all of Angela's commentary.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:37 - 3:36:41)
Other than the trees, is there anything the board wishes to have Marcy add

[Speaker 1] (3:36:42 - 3:36:43)
for feedback to B'nai?

[Speaker 3] (3:36:45 - 3:36:45)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:36:45 - 3:36:46)
Oh. For me, okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:36:46 - 3:36:46)
Oh.

[Speaker 11] (3:36:46 - 3:36:47)
Not me.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:47 - 3:36:50)
So then let's move on to Ted's, uh, Mr.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:50 - 3:36:53)
Dooley's comments. The first one is privacy and screening.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:54 - 3:37:01)
So the comment is the screening recommended for the second floor amenity deck along back of the property to mitigate privacy and noise impacts.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:01 - 3:37:03)
We'd actually brought this up a month ago also,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:03 - 3:37:06)
and they agree to do that.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:06 - 3:37:09)
So Marcy, that is something we could give feedback on,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:09 - 3:37:09)
even though they've agreed.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:10 - 3:37:13)
The next one is the setback. Oh, sorry,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:13 - 3:37:14)
does anybody have any further,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:14 - 3:37:15)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:15 - 3:37:15)
Nope.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:15 - 3:37:20)
The next one is the setback. So unlike Angela where she wanted to centralize the building,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:20 - 3:37:28)
uh had just suggested that we move from a five foot setback to a 10 to 15 foot setback, which would be a five to 10 foot adjustment.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:29 - 3:37:42)
And the comment is increasing the setback to align with the neighborhood character and to provide uh sight lines would reduce parking capacity by four to five spaces and shift the driveway curb cuts.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:43 - 3:37:46)
causing an issue at the intersection.

[Speaker 10] (3:37:46 - 3:37:51)
Okay, so that does, okay, cause in ours it just says reduce parking capacity. So

[Speaker 11] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
you're s you're

[Speaker 11] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
that's

[Speaker 10] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
So quantifying.

[Speaker 11] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:51 - 3:37:52)
Marcy says four

[Speaker 10] (3:37:52 - 3:37:53)
Four to five.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:53 - 3:37:54)
to five spaces.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:54 - 3:37:56)
Marcia's got the teacher's version of this.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:56 - 3:37:58)
No, it's a second, it's on the could you see on

[Speaker 1] (3:37:58 - 3:37:58)
This

[Speaker 3] (3:37:58 - 3:37:58)
the board.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:58 - 3:38:00)
is the this is the most up to date.

[Speaker 10] (3:38:00 - 3:38:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:01 - 3:38:08)
And then it would shift the driveway curb cut closer to the intersection, which will cause issue with circulation there is the issue.

[Speaker 11] (3:38:08 - 3:38:09)
Would it make it more dangerous?

[Speaker 2] (3:38:09 - 3:38:14)
But I'm a little confused. If we're talking about setback, why are we talking about the parking? I mean, you don't need

[Speaker 1] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
to

[Speaker 1] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:38:14 - 3:38:17)
Well, I think if you move the setback you're

[Speaker 3] (3:38:17 - 3:38:18)
lose parking.

[Speaker 2] (3:38:18 - 3:38:20)
going to lose parking on the other side.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:21 - 3:38:22)
So if it's helpful,

[Speaker 4] (3:38:22 - 3:38:25)
Yara could share the site plan.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:26 - 3:38:26)
This,

[Speaker 2] (3:38:26 - 3:38:26)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:26 - 3:38:38)
the site right now is engineered very tightly and the parking spaces on the left side of the image that Yara is about to share.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:39 - 3:38:41)
I want to say the next one right

[Speaker 1] (3:38:41 - 3:38:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:38:41 - 3:38:42)
Let

[Speaker 1] (3:38:42 - 3:38:42)
sure.

[Speaker 6] (3:38:42 - 3:38:45)
me just, I was double-checking, I was sharing the right thing.

[Speaker 6] (3:38:45 - 3:38:46)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (3:38:46 - 3:38:46)
here we go.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:46 - 3:38:50)
I get it. I get it now if I'm the only one. I mean it's eerie that Ted's really

[Speaker 2] (3:38:50 - 3:38:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:38:50 - 3:38:50)
has to point

[Speaker 2] (3:38:50 - 3:38:50)
because

[Speaker 1] (3:38:50 - 3:38:51)
out

[Speaker 2] (3:38:51 - 3:38:51)
he's

[Speaker 1] (3:38:51 - 3:38:51)
the eerie is pushing

[Speaker 2] (3:38:51 - 3:38:51)
it's

[Speaker 1] (3:38:51 - 3:38:52)
the whole

[Speaker 2] (3:38:52 - 3:38:52)
going to

[Speaker 1] (3:38:52 - 3:38:52)
building

[Speaker 2] (3:38:52 - 3:38:52)
push the whole building.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:52 - 3:38:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:38:52 - 3:38:53)
the whole

[Speaker 1] (3:38:53 - 3:38:53)
obviously

[Speaker 4] (3:38:53 - 3:38:59)
thing shifts over the driveway needs to shift over and so we'll lose some parking spaces so this is

[Speaker 4] (3:39:00 - 3:39:03)
You know select or tell us what's the priority of the community in

[Speaker 2] (3:39:03 - 3:39:03)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:39:03 - 3:39:03)
the town?

[Speaker 4] (3:39:04 - 3:39:11)
Do you want this setback or do you want the maximum number of parking spaces and if we subtract five which

[Speaker 4] (3:39:11 - 3:39:15)
We think is probably still doable and comfortable for the population.

[Speaker 4] (3:39:15 - 3:39:16)
We're serving

[Speaker 4] (3:39:18 - 3:39:18)
We can do that,

[Speaker 4] (3:39:18 - 3:39:20)
but we leave this up to you.

[Speaker 7] (3:39:20 - 3:39:21)
We can't lose any more parking.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:21 - 3:39:22)
No, I don't know. I don't know how

[Speaker 7] (3:39:22 - 3:39:22)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:39:22 - 3:39:23)
we don't lose the

[Speaker 7] (3:39:23 - 3:39:23)
think that

[Speaker 2] (3:39:23 - 3:39:28)
same makes. amount of parking to be fair And I know we're choosing like this is Sophie's Choice situation because both of them are detrimental like

[Speaker 7] (3:39:28 - 3:39:29)
It

[Speaker 2] (3:39:29 - 3:39:32)
a detriment to the to the neighborhood,

[Speaker 2] (3:39:33 - 3:39:36)
but I would think that there's already

[Speaker 7] (3:39:36 - 3:39:36)
The

[Speaker 2] (3:39:36 - 3:39:36)
a parking

[Speaker 7] (3:39:36 - 3:39:37)
parking

[Speaker 2] (3:39:37 - 3:39:37)
issue

[Speaker 7] (3:39:37 - 3:39:37)
is

[Speaker 2] (3:39:37 - 3:39:37)
and

[Speaker 7] (3:39:37 - 3:39:37)
an issue.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:39 - 3:39:39)
So, yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:39:39 - 3:39:44)
There might be a little bit of a happy medium. Ted's got his hand up. Can Yarrowar maybe,

[Speaker 1] (3:39:44 - 3:39:54)
um can you go back to the the view down the street to illustrate what maybe what Ted's getting at in terms of the character of the street and the setbacks there.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:54 - 3:39:56)
Could I mean maybe maybe we can.

[Speaker 6] (3:39:56 - 3:39:57)
are you guys just seeing the.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:57 - 3:39:57)
we are.

[Speaker 7] (3:39:57 - 3:39:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:39:59 - 3:40:04)
Ted, do you want to comment on this? Uh, if the board's comfortable we can let him.

[Speaker 2] (3:40:05 - 3:40:07)
Diane, could you unmute Taj for us please?

[Speaker 7] (3:40:07 - 3:40:07)
Yeah, you can

[Speaker 2] (3:40:07 - 3:40:08)
Oh, great.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:08 - 3:40:08)
do it.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:10 - 3:40:10)
Ted?

[Speaker 8] (3:40:10 - 3:40:12)
Thank you, Madam Chair.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:13 - 3:40:17)
I apologize not having my video on, I barely survived that time with the three-year-old,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:17 - 3:40:19)
so just catching up here.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:19 - 3:40:20)
Anyway,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:20 - 3:40:24)
I appreciate you giving me the opportunity. I think in terms of the setback conversation,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:24 - 3:40:31)
what we're really referring to is there's about two dozen homes that go down Erie Street from Eastern Avenue all the way down to the intersection with Pine Street.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:31 - 3:40:38)
All of them have a standard setback of roughly 10 to 15 feet back from the street.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:38 - 3:40:42)
So our suggestion here is to obviously match that.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:42 - 3:40:45)
that as close to that setback as we can.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:45 - 3:40:49)
In reality, we understand there's give and take here, so it might not need to be perfect,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:49 - 3:40:54)
but as Doug mentioned, maybe there's a happy middle ground there.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:54 - 3:40:59)
A few things that I would suggest as to why we're suggesting this, obviously matching neighborhood character is super important,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:59 - 3:41:03)
but also I think as this view particularly emphasizes,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:04 - 3:41:06)
it underscores the massing of the building,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:06 - 3:41:08)
which we can all understand is large by nature,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:08 - 3:41:09)
we agree to that,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:09 - 3:41:17)
but we're by placing the building in a reduced setback area, especially when we're impacting sightlines at the intersection with Pine Street,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:17 - 3:41:19)
we're really magnifying that massing.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:20 - 3:41:33)
Moving it back another five to ten feet if it's possible I think would be something we would very highly recommend and that was something that not only came up in my comments But in other comments from members of our board a suggestion that I would look to is

[Speaker 8] (3:41:35 - 3:41:36)
Section, I believe,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:36 - 3:41:37)
32030,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:37 - 3:41:43)
our local zoning bylaws allow for up to 25% of the parking to be compact parking spaces,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:44 - 3:41:48)
so an 8.5 foot width instead of a standard 9 foot width.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:48 - 3:41:58)
That might allow for a handful of spaces to have a slightly reduced width to make up for some of that distance to hopefully find a happy medium there,

[Speaker 8] (3:41:58 - 3:42:04)
but I would encourage a look at that specifically and again not...

[Speaker 8] (3:42:03 - 3:42:07)
And not something to deny a project for by any means whatsoever,

[Speaker 8] (3:42:07 - 3:42:21)
just to encourage figuring out a way to make something work a little bit in the middle there so we're not creating a building where we're intentionally magnifying massing when we have an opportunity potentially to decrease the negative impact of that,

[Speaker 8] (3:42:22 - 3:42:25)
especially in an intersection where sight lines are going to be particularly important.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:26 - 3:42:27)
So Ted,

[Speaker 1] (3:42:27 - 3:42:41)
has public safety weighed in in any way, shape or form about those sight lines as folks would be turning from Erie onto Pine Street? Are we potentially creating a public safety issue?

[Speaker 8] (3:42:42 - 3:42:45)
I wouldn't go as far as to suggest that.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:45 - 3:42:51)
I have not had a conversation with any members of the Traffic Safety Committee or any members of the police force about this.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:52 - 3:42:56)
Our comments are only reflective of the experience and the opinion of the planning board.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:57 - 3:42:58)
But again,

[Speaker 8] (3:42:58 - 3:43:03)
I think this view too gives a very good reflection of the building and the massing, but it also,

[Speaker 8] (3:43:04 - 3:43:05)
you can kind of see.

[Speaker 8] (3:43:05 - 3:43:15)
sort of the Erie Street kind of dog legs there at the intersection right where the building is so you can kind of see how that would impact sight lines as you move up to that intersection with Fine Street.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:16 - 3:43:20)
If the building was pushed back, say, 10 feet, right,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:20 - 3:43:22)
like the greater part of your request,

[Speaker 2] (3:43:23 - 3:43:31)
is there any sort of angular parking or like modified street parking that could be done there that might make up for some of those four to five lost spaces?

[Speaker 8] (3:43:34 - 3:43:34)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:43:34 - 3:43:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:43:34 - 3:43:36)
would defer that to the proponents.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:36 - 3:43:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:37 - 3:43:39)
I mean, almost to say like, yes,

[Speaker 4] (3:43:39 - 3:43:41)
like head-in parking spaces.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:41 - 3:43:41)
exactly.

[Speaker 2] (3:43:42 - 3:43:46)
Angular head in parking spaces. Is it possible with only 10 feet?

[Speaker 4] (3:43:48 - 3:43:53)
I think a parking space is closer to 18 or 20,

[Speaker 4] (3:43:53 - 3:43:58)
I think is part of the issue and I would debate on a community impact.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:59 - 3:44:08)
visual impact whether a line of parking spaces that then reverses up into the public ways the way to go I

[Speaker 2] (3:44:08 - 3:44:08)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (3:44:08 - 3:44:09)
think that's

[Speaker 2] (3:44:09 - 3:44:11)
fair fair

[Speaker 8] (3:44:12 - 3:44:12)
And again,

[Speaker 8] (3:44:13 - 3:44:18)
just to emphasize what the existing zoning bylaws, at least in Swampscott, say for parking,

[Speaker 8] (3:44:18 - 3:44:20)
typical parking spaces are.

[Speaker 8] (3:44:20 - 3:44:40)
90 wide 90 feet depth with the ability to reduce 25% of its total number of spots down to eight and a half feet by 16 feet for compact so that's why I suggest that as maybe something to consider to help make up a few a few feet there and maybe that moves us towards something a little more productive at least for our opinion

[Speaker 4] (3:44:40 - 3:44:46)
Our parking plan and the schematic set includes compact spaces already,

[Speaker 4] (3:44:46 - 3:44:47)
so we're already

[Speaker 4] (3:44:48 - 3:44:52)
attempting to maximize the spaces in the parking lot that

[Speaker 2] (3:44:52 - 3:44:52)
We've

[Speaker 4] (3:44:52 - 3:44:53)
we're proposing.

[Speaker 2] (3:44:53 - 3:44:54)
already utilized that solution,

[Speaker 2] (3:44:54 - 3:44:57)
which is good, but we're still at a

[Speaker 4] (3:44:57 - 3:44:59)
Unfortunately that's not interpersonal.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:01 - 3:45:02)
Yeah. Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:45:02 - 3:45:10)
so then I guess it would be good to have the board's feedback to understand if the priority is the setback or if the priority is the parking in this issue,

[Speaker 2] (3:45:10 - 3:45:11)
in this particular issue,

[Speaker 2] (3:45:11 - 3:45:13)
so that we can give feedback too.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:13 - 3:45:14)
I would say parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:16 - 3:45:16)
I

[Speaker 6] (3:45:16 - 3:45:17)
First of all,

[Speaker 6] (3:45:17 - 3:45:18)
well,

[Speaker 1] (3:45:18 - 3:45:20)
Let me just make sure before I answer that,

[Speaker 4] (3:45:20 - 3:45:20)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:20 - 3:45:29)
like make sure I'm doing if if we if the parking spot is nine feet So if we moved it back nine feet additional nine feet setback

[Speaker 1] (3:45:29 - 3:45:32)
Would we lose two parking spots?

[Speaker 7] (3:45:33 - 3:45:35)
I reckon we're going to lose more.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:35 - 3:45:36)
Well, she said

[Speaker 7] (3:45:36 - 3:45:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:45:36 - 3:45:36)
five.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:36 - 3:45:37)
I think we're going to lose a whole row.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:37 - 3:45:38)
I know what I'm doing.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:38 - 3:45:41)
Well, but there's a row in the close to the building it's only two

[Speaker 1] (3:45:42 - 3:45:42)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:45:42 - 3:45:47)
Well, we might lose one in that middle row, right? Well, I guess because we don't have enough space.

[Speaker 2] (3:45:47 - 3:45:48)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:48 - 3:45:50)
And where if you're able to see your screen

[Speaker 2] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
share,

[Speaker 2] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
we

[Speaker 4] (3:45:50 - 3:45:51)
our

[Speaker 2] (3:45:51 - 3:45:51)
are.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:51 - 3:45:55)
little hand cursor is showing one two three

[Speaker 2] (3:45:57 - 3:45:59)
So we're definitely losing those three.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:59 - 3:46:03)
So what happens if we lose those three and then we adopt the smaller parking spaces?

[Speaker 2] (3:46:03 - 3:46:05)
We already have adopted smaller.

[Speaker 7] (3:46:05 - 3:46:05)
We've adopted

[Speaker 6] (3:46:05 - 3:46:06)
We have this

[Speaker 7] (3:46:06 - 3:46:06)
the smaller for

[Speaker 6] (3:46:06 - 3:46:06)
in the

[Speaker 7] (3:46:06 - 3:46:06)
all

[Speaker 6] (3:46:06 - 3:46:07)
area.

[Speaker 7] (3:46:07 - 3:46:07)
of them?

[Speaker 2] (3:46:07 - 3:46:07)
Yeah, no,

[Speaker 8] (3:46:07 - 3:46:07)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:07 - 3:46:08)
not for all of them, but we only

[Speaker 7] (3:46:08 - 3:46:10)
For the 25%?

[Speaker 2] (3:46:10 - 3:46:12)
but only 25% is what we're allowed.

[Speaker 7] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
So we've already capped.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:12 - 3:46:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:13 - 3:46:13)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:46:13 - 3:46:15)
You're talking three parking spaces.

[Speaker 2] (3:46:15 - 3:46:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:16 - 3:46:19)
So you'll be down to 35 parking spaces, a total of 35 from 38.

[Speaker 7] (3:46:21 - 3:46:22)
I think that's silly.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:22 - 3:46:26)
I mean, people can, you know, they can park on the street too, right? Um, you know.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:27 - 3:46:27)
They already

[Speaker 2] (3:46:27 - 3:46:27)
I

[Speaker 10] (3:46:27 - 3:46:28)
park

[Speaker 2] (3:46:28 - 3:46:28)
don't know what

[Speaker 10] (3:46:28 - 3:46:28)
on

[Speaker 2] (3:46:28 - 3:46:28)
In the hands

[Speaker 10] (3:46:28 - 3:46:28)
the

[Speaker 1] (3:46:28 - 3:46:28)
they

[Speaker 10] (3:46:28 - 3:46:28)
street.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:28 - 3:46:53)
haven't done the parking study yet. So maybe there's some interplay here of, you know, our, our, you know, if if it was the board's desire to increase the setback, you know, we can go two different ways. One, you can just increase the setback period and sacrifice the three or only only increase the setback if the parking study indicates that we only really need 35.

[Speaker 11] (3:46:55 - 3:46:55)
Ted,

[Speaker 1] (3:46:55 - 3:46:55)
That's

[Speaker 11] (3:46:55 - 3:46:56)
do you have

[Speaker 1] (3:46:56 - 3:46:56)
out.

[Speaker 11] (3:46:56 - 3:46:57)
a call on this?

[Speaker 2] (3:46:57 - 3:46:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (3:47:00 - 3:47:01)
Ted, are you still on?

[Speaker 2] (3:47:01 - 3:47:02)
Yeah, he's just on mute.

[Speaker 8] (3:47:02 - 3:47:10)
Yes, yes I am. I mean, I don't know how the process works for your board and votes and approvals tonight,

[Speaker 8] (3:47:10 - 3:47:14)
but we're talking about five, ten feet,

[Speaker 8] (3:47:14 - 3:47:14)
maybe less.

[Speaker 8] (3:47:15 - 3:47:17)
I think it's something that I would...

[Speaker 8] (3:47:18 - 3:47:19)
If it were my board,

[Speaker 8] (3:47:20 - 3:47:23)
I would highly encourage the applicant to get through tonight.

[Speaker 8] (3:47:23 - 3:47:24)
Let's move forward,

[Speaker 8] (3:47:24 - 3:47:32)
but let's visit how we can try and find a happy medium there because we have had projects where we've, as a planning board,

[Speaker 8] (3:47:32 - 3:47:40)
have approved with similar concerns and they get built and then we see them and we hear them incessantly.

[Speaker 8] (3:47:40 - 3:47:47)
and it gives us heartburn I can only speak for myself gives me heartburn when I hear about it knowing yep we could have done something and

[Speaker 2] (3:47:47 - 3:47:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:47:48 - 3:48:05)
my mentality is always we want projects to get to a yes not a no and we never want to get to know we just want to get to the right yes so I would be hopeful that over the ensuing months or weeks of conversation there might be opportunities to find maybe we get a couple more feet built in so it's might not be perfect but it's less of a concern

[Speaker 9] (3:48:06 - 3:48:09)
I don't know if that's what we can do tonight. I think don't we have to have a

[Speaker 2] (3:48:10 - 3:48:13)
Do we have to give an is Binet looking for a vote tonight?

[Speaker 3] (3:48:13 - 3:48:13)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (3:48:13 - 3:48:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:13 - 3:48:14)
yes they need a vote tonight.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:15 - 3:48:18)
So is there a way to vote it and still have consideration for the parking?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:19 - 3:48:24)
Or to still, you know, have that be in play with a little bit of flexibility or no?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:24 - 3:48:26)
Do you need a conclusive answer right now?

[Speaker 1] (3:48:31 - 3:48:32)
So I

[Speaker 4] (3:48:32 - 3:48:33)
It's my understanding that,

[Speaker 4] (3:48:33 - 3:48:37)
and Marcy chime in if you think this is wrong,

[Speaker 4] (3:48:37 - 3:48:47)
so the select board approves our plan and then we move on to our plan set that we submit to the zoning board to start the comprehensive permit process.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:48 - 3:48:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:48 - 3:48:58)
And I think that the choices I see are you can approve or potentially approve with comment or condition that

[Speaker 4] (3:48:59 - 3:49:24)
we will try to wrap into our permit submission and as the developer the concern is that if there's a requirement that we shift the building over 10 feet but no potential relief on losing parking spaces if it's needed to make this all work

[Speaker 4] (3:49:24 - 3:49:49)
then we have a problem so I'm trying to convey that we can be flexible on increasing a setback on this Erie Street side with the understanding of all of you know that the building then squishes over I think five feet is an additional five foot setback it's something we can do

[Speaker 4] (3:49:53 - 3:49:55)
comfortably um but I don't

[Speaker 6] (3:49:55 - 3:49:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:55 - 3:49:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:56 - 3:49:57)
Comfortably not a exactly parking

[Speaker 4] (3:49:57 - 3:50:05)
think the right word but if it if it starts getting getting bigger than that we are um dealing with losing parking spaces we

[Speaker 2] (3:50:05 - 3:50:06)
What happens to

[Speaker 4] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
are I

[Speaker 2] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
that

[Speaker 4] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
not

[Speaker 6] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
so

[Speaker 4] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
happy with

[Speaker 6] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
if you...

[Speaker 2] (3:50:06 - 3:50:06)
that median

[Speaker 4] (3:50:06 - 3:50:07)
losing them

[Speaker 2] (3:50:07 - 3:50:08)
is five feet. What happens

[Speaker 6] (3:50:08 - 3:50:08)
Wait,

[Speaker 2] (3:50:08 - 3:50:09)
if we say

[Speaker 6] (3:50:09 - 3:50:10)
wait, wait. I just want to be clear, Holly.

[Speaker 6] (3:50:10 - 3:50:12)
If you move this setback five feet,

[Speaker 6] (3:50:12 - 3:50:14)
are you saying there is no loss of parking?

[Speaker 4] (3:50:16 - 3:50:19)
We have we have a diamond yarn you can look and

[Speaker 2] (3:50:19 - 3:50:20)
No, no, that's fine.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:20 - 3:50:20)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:20 - 3:50:20)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (3:50:20 - 3:50:42)
I'm sorry. sorry I mean I think you know if this is showing we currently have a five foot setback from this street and whether or not how accurate this elevation or perspective drawing we've given you is not sure hopefully it's a worst case scenario and if you can can you zoom in there so they hopefully you all can see this

[Speaker 6] (3:50:42 - 3:50:44)
Yep, we can see it very well.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:46 - 3:50:49)
And so there's two solid lines,

[Speaker 2] (3:50:49 - 3:50:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:50 - 3:50:50)
right,

[Speaker 4] (3:50:50 - 3:50:50)
Yara?

[Speaker 4] (3:50:51 - 3:50:55)
And one is the property line and one showing the sidewalk.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:55 - 3:50:58)
So the property line here and the sidewalk is here.

[Speaker 6] (3:50:58 - 3:50:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:00 - 3:51:09)
And so I think Yara and I can work with our team to add an additional five feet at this corner,

[Speaker 6] (3:51:09 - 3:51:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:10 - 3:51:10)
I think that's

[Speaker 4] (3:51:10 - 3:51:11)
maybe

[Speaker 2] (3:51:11 - 3:51:11)
a happy medium.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:11 - 3:51:13)
reconfiguring some things inside.

[Speaker 6] (3:51:14 - 3:51:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:16 - 3:51:20)
And it's we're very efficient as it is. So this is this is hard,

[Speaker 4] (3:51:20 - 3:51:22)
but I think we can do this.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:22 - 3:51:27)
So if your letter says give us five feet,

[Speaker 4] (3:51:27 - 3:51:29)
I don't have additional setback.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:29 - 3:51:32)
I think we can do that. Yara, are you feeling

[Speaker 8] (3:51:32 - 3:51:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:51:32 - 3:51:33)
comfortable with

[Speaker 8] (3:51:33 - 3:51:33)
I mean,

[Speaker 4] (3:51:33 - 3:51:33)
five feet?

[Speaker 8] (3:51:33 - 3:51:34)
I

[Speaker 6] (3:51:34 - 3:51:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:34 - 3:51:35)
I think that's the happy medium.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:35 - 3:51:44)
mean, you know, we'll try our best to do it either architecturally or, you know, and then we'll see what we can do civil wise and then worst case scenario.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:45 - 3:51:45)
honestly,

[Speaker 8] (3:51:45 - 3:51:51)
you know, if we can show that there's no other way around it to losing, you know, potentially losing spots,

[Speaker 8] (3:51:51 - 3:51:52)
I don't know,

[Speaker 8] (3:51:52 - 3:51:55)
but we will definitely make our best efforts to do that.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:55 - 3:51:57)
Well, let me ask you a question.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:57 - 3:52:06)
What about if you were to design it saying that you have a 10-foot and you have to bring it in front of the zoning board and the zoning board says, listen,

[Speaker 2] (3:52:06 - 3:52:09)
if you're going to do 10 feet and you're going to lose parking,

[Speaker 2] (3:52:09 - 3:52:11)
we just can't have you lose parking.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:12 - 3:52:15)
Just go go back to the the skimmier side of it

[Speaker 2] (3:52:16 - 3:52:23)
I'm just wondering does that does having to go to the zoning board give us a little bit more flexibility in this letter that we have to address

[Speaker 2] (3:52:24 - 3:52:26)
Because right now tonight we're looking at the letter

[Speaker 6] (3:52:26 - 3:52:28)
No, we're required to approve the schematic designs.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:31 - 3:52:32)
Under the LDA,

[Speaker 1] (3:52:32 - 3:52:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:32 - 3:52:32)
it is your

[Speaker 2] (3:52:32 - 3:52:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:32 - 3:52:33)
obligation

[Speaker 1] (3:52:33 - 3:52:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:33 - 3:52:33)
to

[Speaker 2] (3:52:33 - 3:52:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:33 - 3:52:33)
approve the somatic

[Speaker 2] (3:52:33 - 3:52:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:34 - 3:52:34)
design.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:34 - 3:52:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:34 - 3:52:35)
So we

[Speaker 2] (3:52:35 - 3:52:35)
All

[Speaker 6] (3:52:35 - 3:52:35)
Let's need

[Speaker 2] (3:52:35 - 3:52:35)
right.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:35 - 3:52:35)
to

[Speaker 9] (3:52:35 - 3:52:36)
go with the five foot

[Speaker 6] (3:52:36 - 3:52:36)
So

[Speaker 9] (3:52:36 - 3:52:36)
rule.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:36 - 3:52:36)
let's

[Speaker 2] (3:52:36 - 3:52:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:36 - 3:52:37)
go with

[Speaker 9] (3:52:37 - 3:52:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:37 - 3:52:37)
what

[Speaker 1] (3:52:37 - 3:52:37)
They're

[Speaker 2] (3:52:37 - 3:52:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:37 - 3:52:37)
they're offering.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:37 - 3:52:38)
the spire.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:38 - 3:52:38)
No.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:38 - 3:52:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:38 - 3:52:40)
Yeah, let's not overcomplicate it.

[Speaker 9] (3:52:40 - 3:52:40)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:40 - 3:52:40)
Let's

[Speaker 2] (3:52:40 - 3:52:41)
Happy medium.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:41 - 3:52:43)
go ahead,

[Speaker 6] (3:52:43 - 3:52:43)
Ted.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:43 - 3:52:43)
Exposition.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:43 - 3:52:44)
Ted?

[Speaker 1] (3:52:46 - 3:52:47)
The octant, in my opinion,

[Speaker 1] (3:52:47 - 3:52:50)
has made a pretty...

[Speaker 1] (3:52:50 - 3:52:55)
good opportunity to meet meet us in the middle there that's

[Speaker 6] (3:52:55 - 3:52:55)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:52:55 - 3:52:55)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:55 - 3:52:55)
that's

[Speaker 1] (3:52:55 - 3:52:57)
that's kind of great. what we all hope for so

[Speaker 2] (3:52:57 - 3:52:57)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:57 - 3:52:57)
I

[Speaker 6] (3:52:57 - 3:52:58)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:58 - 3:52:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:52:58 - 3:52:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:58 - 3:52:59)
think that's a good thing from

[Speaker 2] (3:52:59 - 3:53:00)
Thank you,

[Speaker 1] (3:53:00 - 3:53:00)
my

[Speaker 2] (3:53:00 - 3:53:00)
Renee.

[Speaker 1] (3:53:00 - 3:53:00)
perspective

[Speaker 10] (3:53:00 - 3:53:01)
Project check.

[Speaker 6] (3:53:01 - 3:53:01)
Great.

[Speaker 10] (3:53:01 - 3:53:01)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (3:53:01 - 3:53:04)
Moving on to architectural character. We have

[Speaker 2] (3:53:04 - 3:53:06)
Check. That's already done, right?

[Speaker 6] (3:53:06 - 3:53:06)
great.

[Speaker 6] (3:53:08 - 3:53:11)
They replied a response, so that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (3:53:11 - 3:53:11)
Is

[Speaker 6] (3:53:11 - 3:53:12)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:53:12 - 3:53:12)
favorable.

[Speaker 6] (3:53:12 - 3:53:14)
the board, if the board agrees,

[Speaker 6] (3:53:14 - 3:53:17)
Marcy can integrate that comment into our comments,

[Speaker 2] (3:53:17 - 3:53:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:53:17 - 3:53:18)
our architectural character.

[Speaker 6] (3:53:18 - 3:53:20)
Moving on to the parking event use.

[Speaker 6] (3:53:20 - 3:53:27)
Parking may be inadequate if project involve evolves to include events or auxiliary uses behind housing. Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:53:27 - 3:53:37)
there's no current plan for that so great so it seems like with a five with an additional five feet setback five foot setback and some yeah

[Speaker 4] (3:53:37 - 3:53:38)
From Erie Street,

[Speaker 4] (3:53:38 - 3:53:38)
sorry,

[Speaker 6] (3:53:38 - 3:53:38)
from

[Speaker 4] (3:53:38 - 3:53:39)
Katie,

[Speaker 6] (3:53:39 - 3:53:39)
just

[Speaker 4] (3:53:39 - 3:53:39)
right?

[Speaker 6] (3:53:39 - 3:53:43)
from Erie Street correct Holly just on Erie Street Marcy

[Speaker 11] (3:53:45 - 3:53:47)
And is that, I was kind of wondering about that earlier,

[Speaker 11] (3:53:47 - 3:53:53)
is that in any way going to be odd for the setback to be different on Erie than Pine?

[Speaker 11] (3:53:53 - 3:53:56)
The way it just kind of sits in the neighborhood?

[Speaker 1] (3:53:57 - 3:53:58)
Hmm

[Speaker 6] (3:53:59 - 3:54:00)
Ted,

[Speaker 11] (3:54:00 - 3:54:00)
Is it symmetrical

[Speaker 6] (3:54:00 - 3:54:01)
do you want to come?

[Speaker 11] (3:54:01 - 3:54:05)
right now and this will make it non-symmetrical and does that end up mattering or is it?

[Speaker 8] (3:54:05 - 3:54:07)
No, it's not symmetrical at

[Speaker 1] (3:54:07 - 3:54:08)
No, I think it'd be fine.

[Speaker 6] (3:54:08 - 3:54:10)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 6] (3:54:12 - 3:54:15)
More agreement. Wonderful.

[Speaker 6] (3:54:16 - 3:54:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (3:54:17 - 3:54:19)
so now we're looking at...

[Speaker 6] (3:54:23 - 3:54:26)
this new ecology document that Doug held

[Speaker 8] (3:54:26 - 3:54:27)
Oh, it's not part

[Speaker 6] (3:54:27 - 3:54:27)
up

[Speaker 8] (3:54:27 - 3:54:27)
of

[Speaker 6] (3:54:27 - 3:54:27)
for

[Speaker 8] (3:54:27 - 3:54:27)
the protestants.

[Speaker 6] (3:54:27 - 3:54:28)
me to move on to next.

[Speaker 8] (3:54:28 - 3:54:30)
Not just this.

[Speaker 11] (3:54:30 - 3:54:31)
Yeah, it the the

[Speaker 12] (3:54:31 - 3:54:33)
But that's not part of the, that's not part No, of

[Speaker 2] (3:54:33 - 3:54:33)
that's

[Speaker 12] (3:54:33 - 3:54:33)
the

[Speaker 2] (3:54:33 - 3:54:34)
not part of the vote,

[Speaker 12] (3:54:34 - 3:54:34)
PLE.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:34 - 3:54:34)
right?

[Speaker 12] (3:54:34 - 3:54:43)
That was just something that we had a discussion at the last meeting and the developer, the development team wanted to put it together so you can see sort of what was included

[Speaker 2] (3:54:43 - 3:54:44)
What their energy.

[Speaker 12] (3:54:44 - 3:54:44)
and

[Speaker 6] (3:54:44 - 3:54:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (3:54:44 - 3:54:45)
that's

[Speaker 11] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
Right

[Speaker 12] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
the

[Speaker 6] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
right

[Speaker 12] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
the resiliency

[Speaker 11] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
Right

[Speaker 6] (3:54:45 - 3:54:46)
But

[Speaker 12] (3:54:46 - 3:54:46)
work.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:46 - 3:54:47)
sustainability.

[Speaker 6] (3:54:47 - 3:54:48)
we ha but Doug had

[Speaker 6] (3:54:49 - 3:54:58)
brought up the conversation of whether we should be providing some of these comments relative to the schematic design and ask for some feedback from you guys, and you've given it to us. So

[Speaker 11] (3:54:58 - 3:55:00)
Correct. And I I just

[Speaker 6] (3:55:00 - 3:55:00)
you have some comments

[Speaker 11] (3:55:00 - 3:55:00)
seen this

[Speaker 6] (3:55:00 - 3:55:01)
on it,

[Speaker 11] (3:55:01 - 3:55:01)
tonight.

[Speaker 6] (3:55:01 - 3:55:01)
or anything?

[Speaker 11] (3:55:01 - 3:55:01)
No, I

[Speaker 6] (3:55:01 - 3:55:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:55:01 - 3:55:07)
just saw it tonight. So I, you know, the fundamental thing, you know, is by regulation,

[Speaker 11] (3:55:07 - 3:55:13)
they have to meet specialized opt-in codes. Obviously, that's happening. I guess the remaining question I still have, I, and I.

[Speaker 11] (3:55:14 - 3:55:23)
Uh I don't maybe it's here, so I apologise if I haven't seen it yet. In in terms it we talked about last time the roof structure and it being

[Speaker 4] (3:55:23 - 3:55:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (3:55:23 - 3:55:25)
P_V_ P_V_ ready.

[Speaker 11] (3:55:25 - 3:55:32)
How do you see that actually? Do you have any more thoughts about how that's playing out in reality or not yet?

[Speaker 8] (3:55:33 - 3:55:34)
Not.

[Speaker 8] (3:55:34 - 3:55:51)
We do, we will be committing to, you know, obviously to be PV ready and we will study, you know, as much we understand that sort of the layout of this roof is, you know, is a different scenario as a flat roof, but we will be definitely studying.

[Speaker 8] (3:55:51 - 3:56:02)
the possibility of putting as much solar you know as possible on this type of roof but we will make it solar PV ready as well yes

[Speaker 11] (3:56:03 - 3:56:11)
So you're committing it to being solar PV ready and potentially the project will actually include some solar.

[Speaker 6] (3:56:23 - 3:56:31)
I guess given the comments that we've noted from planning board that the select board wish to adapt Marzi you have a list of them please

[Speaker 12] (3:56:31 - 3:56:33)
Could I just go over them with you quickly if you don't mind?

[Speaker 12] (3:56:33 - 3:56:36)
So the first one in terms of landscape,

[Speaker 12] (3:56:36 - 3:56:41)
the proponent will contract with an arborist to reassess the tree removals.

[Speaker 6] (3:56:41 - 3:56:41)
Yep

[Speaker 12] (3:56:41 - 3:56:49)
The proponent will install privacy screening on the fencing. The proponent will...

[Speaker 12] (3:56:50 - 3:56:55)
increase the setback on the Erie side by five feet for a total of ten feet off of Erie Street.

[Speaker 12] (3:56:56 - 3:57:06)
We'll make positive comments or acknowledge the comments in regards to architectural character and parking. We're silent. We're not including any comments.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:06 - 3:57:11)
Yeah, the only additional comment I would make regarding privacy is the noise impact mitigation.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:11 - 3:57:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:11 - 3:57:14)
So maybe if you look at Ted's,

[Speaker 12] (3:57:14 - 3:57:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:14 - 3:57:16)
the notes from the rubric.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:16 - 3:57:16)
Yep,

[Speaker 6] (3:57:16 - 3:57:17)
I think

[Speaker 12] (3:57:17 - 3:57:17)
all

[Speaker 6] (3:57:17 - 3:57:17)
they've

[Speaker 12] (3:57:17 - 3:57:19)
goes okay noise that

[Speaker 6] (3:57:19 - 3:57:21)
agreed to both, so we should ask for both.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:21 - 3:57:22)
Thank you

[Speaker 6] (3:57:23 - 3:57:29)
Thank you. Um so do we have a motion to approve the schematic designs with comments as Marcy just detailed?

[Speaker 11] (3:57:29 - 3:57:30)
I motioned a while ago.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:30 - 3:57:30)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:57:30 - 3:57:31)
Second.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:31 - 3:57:31)
we did.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:31 - 3:57:33)
Oh we we motioned a while

[Speaker 11] (3:57:33 - 3:57:33)
And seconded,

[Speaker 6] (3:57:33 - 3:57:33)
ago and

[Speaker 11] (3:57:33 - 3:57:34)
but yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:34 - 3:57:34)
seconded?

[Speaker 11] (3:57:34 - 3:57:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:34 - 3:57:36)
Sorry, again,

[Speaker 2] (3:57:36 - 3:57:36)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:36 - 3:57:36)
late.

[Speaker 11] (3:57:36 - 3:57:38)
I w that was kind of a joke. Remember?

[Speaker 6] (3:57:38 - 3:57:38)
Oh

[Speaker 11] (3:57:38 - 3:57:38)
That we were

[Speaker 6] (3:57:38 - 3:57:38)
yeah,

[Speaker 11] (3:57:38 - 3:57:38)
eating.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:38 - 3:57:41)
I forgot that that happened, sorry. Um,

[Speaker 12] (3:57:41 - 3:57:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:41 - 3:57:41)
we'll call.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:41 - 3:57:42)
What are we up to?

[Speaker 6] (3:57:42 - 3:57:44)
Yeah let's uh

[Speaker 12] (3:57:44 - 3:57:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:44 - 3:57:45)
all those in favour?

[Speaker 11] (3:57:45 - 3:57:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:45 - 3:57:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:45 - 3:57:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:47 - 3:57:49)
Five Oh, Justice Douglas.

[Speaker 11] (3:57:49 - 3:57:49)
Thank you, Yara.

[Speaker 4] (3:57:49 - 3:57:50)
Thank you,

[Speaker 6] (3:57:50 - 3:57:50)
Great

[Speaker 4] (3:57:50 - 3:57:50)
Yara,

[Speaker 6] (3:57:50 - 3:57:50)
job, girls.

[Speaker 4] (3:57:50 - 3:57:51)
Marcy,

[Speaker 6] (3:57:51 - 3:57:51)
Great work.

[Speaker 4] (3:57:51 - 3:57:51)
Yara.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:51 - 3:57:52)
Yara, thank you, Holly.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:52 - 3:57:53)
John.

[Speaker 4] (3:57:53 - 3:57:54)
Thank you, Marcy.

[Speaker 8] (3:57:54 - 3:57:55)
John, everyone

[Speaker 2] (3:57:55 - 3:57:55)
Thank you, Ted.

[Speaker 8] (3:57:55 - 3:57:56)
did nice work.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:56 - 3:57:56)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 11] (3:57:56 - 3:57:56)
Night.

[Speaker 12] (3:57:56 - 3:57:57)
Ted.

[Speaker 6] (3:57:57 - 3:58:00)
That better really not be Stella Phelan who just joined the call.

[Speaker 12] (3:58:00 - 3:58:00)
Yep,

[Speaker 6] (3:58:00 - 3:58:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (3:58:01 - 3:58:02)
I think it is.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:02 - 3:58:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 12] (3:58:03 - 3:58:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 12] (3:58:03 - 3:58:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:03 - 3:58:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:04 - 3:58:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:05 - 3:58:07)
This might be a different version of Thailand time.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:07 - 3:58:16)
All right, the last item on the new and old business is discussion and possible vote on the mission or definition of the future financial summit.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:16 - 3:58:16)
Oh my god.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:16 - 3:58:18)
Did we table it till next? Okay,

[Speaker 1] (3:58:18 - 3:58:26)
we will table it. But I do just really quickly wanna say like I do want each of us to put some thought into this because I've asked also

[Speaker 1] (3:58:26 - 3:58:32)
both FinCom and school committee to also have similar conversations before we get there so

[Speaker 2] (3:58:32 - 3:58:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:33 - 3:58:41)
that we can be proactive in the information that we're bringing to the table and the topics that we're going to discuss once we get there because my fear is that we show up and people have

[Speaker 1] (3:58:41 - 3:58:56)
a different idea of what's going to happen and then people feel not positive about having it. So I think we all need to come to a conclusion on what we hope to accomplish there and what the agenda looks like so that we can all be on the same page of what success is.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:56 - 3:58:58)
I do think in advance of that it is critical,

[Speaker 2] (3:58:58 - 3:59:01)
based on what happened last week when you were not here,

[Speaker 2] (3:59:01 - 3:59:04)
the conversation that Charlie initiated,

[Speaker 2] (3:59:04 - 3:59:09)
Charlie Patsios, with the question mark about the Clark School and educating that possibility.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:10 - 3:59:23)
with Max and the school department I feel like that would precipitate a financial summit because that's kind of a piece of that or there's there needs to be some type of joint meeting in my view to address that piece right the question

[Speaker 1] (3:59:23 - 3:59:24)
Just Clark

[Speaker 2] (3:59:24 - 3:59:24)
mark that

[Speaker 1] (3:59:24 - 3:59:25)
schools.

[Speaker 2] (3:59:25 - 3:59:33)
is Clark school because I think that's Charlie brought up some great points Max had some great points with his RFP in the school department whatnot so we need some type of

[Speaker 2] (3:59:34 - 3:59:37)
My opinion. Some type of group discussion.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:37 - 3:59:39)
Yeah, I do have a subsequent,

[Speaker 4] (3:59:39 - 3:59:41)
I think it's a little bit of a blur,

[Speaker 4] (3:59:41 - 3:59:43)
subsequent conversation with Gino after that meeting.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:43 - 4:00:01)
Gino, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we wrote down like trying to get together like a little bit of a working group to do some preliminary like facts coalescing amongst the different parties to prepare for a broader joint meeting because there was there's a lot of like trying to figure

[Speaker 4] (4:00:03 - 4:00:09)
A big overarching piece of this, and I actually talked about this with the superintendent when I met with him today.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:10 - 4:00:13)
We really need to understand where the middle school is landing,

[Speaker 2] (4:00:13 - 4:00:14)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:14 - 4:00:14)
it seems to me.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:15 - 4:00:16)
Like that is just

[Speaker 2] (4:00:16 - 4:00:16)
right,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:16 - 4:00:19)
a big whale of an issue kind of out there,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:19 - 4:00:24)
and if it's gonna land in the next five years, it's a big difference versus the next ten years.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:24 - 4:00:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (4:00:24 - 4:00:24)
right,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:24 - 4:00:26)
And for our capital planning,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:26 - 4:00:26)
financial

[Speaker 2] (4:00:26 - 4:00:27)
right.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:27 - 4:00:27)
summit,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:27 - 4:00:30)
and particularly for the Clark School and the ramifications for that.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:30 - 4:00:31)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:31 - 4:00:33)
So I do think that we need

[Speaker 4] (4:00:34 - 4:00:42)
max to really kind of weigh in and collect information about the pros and cons, maybe he's already doing that, but

[Speaker 2] (4:00:42 - 4:00:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:42 - 4:00:42)
that's

[Speaker 2] (4:00:42 - 4:00:42)
we

[Speaker 4] (4:00:42 - 4:00:42)
a

[Speaker 2] (4:00:42 - 4:00:42)
are

[Speaker 4] (4:00:42 - 4:00:44)
big input I think to this

[Speaker 1] (4:00:44 - 4:00:44)
also

[Speaker 4] (4:00:44 - 4:00:44)
whole.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:44 - 4:00:52)
trying to get a tri-chair meeting on the schedule for uh the chairs of the three boards, so we can start that discussion

[Speaker 2] (4:00:52 - 4:00:53)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:53 - 4:00:55)
um in that c in that context

[Speaker 4] (4:00:55 - 4:00:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:55 - 4:00:57)
and just sort of take a temperature that way.

[Speaker 2] (4:00:58 - 4:01:02)
'Cause I don't wanna just kinda forget about, you know, Charlene and suggestions and his criticisms

[Speaker 2] (4:01:02 - 4:01:06)
and his questions and, you know, and Max with his R_F_P_ and,

[Speaker 1] (4:01:06 - 4:01:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:06 - 4:01:08)
you know, so there's a bigger discussion necessary.

[Speaker 1] (4:01:08 - 4:01:14)
Yeah. And I also don't want the school to feel like they don't have all the options that they want 'cause we're not there in control of that built thing.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:14 - 4:01:15)
Right, Right, right.

[Speaker 1] (4:01:15 - 4:01:16)
and they're paying for it and

[Speaker 2] (4:01:16 - 4:01:16)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (4:01:16 - 4:01:21)
if they wanna yes they need permission for us to go up to R_F_P_ or R_F_I_ they they

[Speaker 2] (4:01:22 - 4:01:26)
Because it sounds like to me like that they're not looking to hold on to that long term.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:26 - 4:01:28)
They might need it temporarily and then maybe,

[Speaker 2] (4:01:29 - 4:01:29)
you know,

[Speaker 1] (4:01:29 - 4:01:29)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:29 - 4:01:31)
housing can take over long t uh who knows, but

[Speaker 1] (4:01:31 - 4:01:32)
Yep, okay.

[Speaker 1] (4:01:34 - 4:01:36)
Um so we will table, Diane,

[Speaker 1] (4:01:36 - 4:01:45)
if you can make a note to put that on the next agenda, we will do, we will have a further discussion of that. Approval of the consent agenda, we have some items on the consent agenda.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:46 - 4:01:49)
Or can you take out the latest just remove the the

[Speaker 1] (4:01:50 - 4:01:51)
Seven, eight minutes.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:51 - 4:01:53)
You know, was that last week's minutes?

[Speaker 4] (4:01:53 - 4:01:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:53 - 4:01:54)
Yeah, seven

[Speaker 1] (4:01:54 - 4:01:54)
No,

[Speaker 2] (4:01:54 - 4:01:54)
eight.

[Speaker 1] (4:01:54 - 4:01:56)
two weeks ago, but yes. Okay, so

[Speaker 2] (4:01:56 - 4:01:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (4:01:56 - 4:01:58)
the consent agenda minus

[Speaker 4] (4:01:58 - 4:01:59)
We have a very talented metaphor and I don't

[Speaker 1] (4:01:59 - 4:02:00)
the minutes

[Speaker 2] (4:02:00 - 4:02:01)
We may always

[Speaker 1] (4:02:01 - 4:02:01)
for

[Speaker 2] (4:02:01 - 4:02:01)
have

[Speaker 1] (4:02:01 - 4:02:01)
July

[Speaker 2] (4:02:01 - 4:02:02)
to change our minutes.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:02 - 4:02:03)
8th. Do I have a motion?

[Speaker 2] (4:02:03 - 4:02:09)
Well, hold on a second. There's also I have a question on the road race stuff, unless it's been changed.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:09 - 4:02:19)
We have we have a number of permit, request for permits that's only approved by the police department. There's no approval by fire, recreation,

[Speaker 2] (4:02:19 - 4:02:20)
health or town administrator.

[Speaker 6] (4:02:22 - 4:02:22)
So

[Speaker 6] (4:02:23 - 4:02:24)
It seems that we only have one.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:24 - 4:02:26)
my fault. I thought they had been.

[Speaker 6] (4:02:27 - 4:02:27)
We don't.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:29 - 4:02:30)
Alright so why don't we remove those just

[Speaker 2] (4:02:30 - 4:02:30)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (4:02:30 - 4:02:31)
to have clarity.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:31 - 4:02:31)
remove those. Yep,

[Speaker 1] (4:02:31 - 4:02:31)
We don't

[Speaker 6] (4:02:31 - 4:02:32)
But

[Speaker 1] (4:02:32 - 4:02:32)
remove any

[Speaker 6] (4:02:32 - 4:02:32)
are any

[Speaker 1] (4:02:32 - 4:02:32)
of the old

[Speaker 6] (4:02:32 - 4:02:34)
of those road races imminent? Like

[Speaker 2] (4:02:34 - 4:02:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (4:02:34 - 4:02:34)
No.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:34 - 4:02:34)
No.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:34 - 4:02:34)
no.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:35 - 4:02:35)
No,

[Speaker 6] (4:02:35 - 4:02:35)
No, nothing.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:35 - 4:02:36)
not until like

[Speaker 6] (4:02:36 - 4:02:37)
Are they pretty far out?

[Speaker 2] (4:02:37 - 4:02:37)
19 and

[Speaker 1] (4:02:37 - 4:02:37)
Or like

[Speaker 2] (4:02:37 - 4:02:37)
1221.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:37 - 4:02:38)
October?

[Speaker 2] (4:02:38 - 4:02:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (4:02:38 - 4:02:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (4:02:39 - 4:02:43)
Just take if we could just get these things when when everything's been filled out.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:44 - 4:02:46)
Okay, so we will remove both road races.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:46 - 4:02:56)
We will remove the minutes from last meeting. So we're just approving Harbor Waterfront Advisory Committee and the minutes from 6-18-25.

[Speaker 4] (4:02:56 - 4:02:57)
So moved.

[Speaker 6] (4:02:57 - 4:02:57)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:57 - 4:02:58)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:58 - 4:02:59)
Oh, I'm sorry, and cultural council, sorry.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:00 - 4:03:01)
Cultural council's on here too,

[Speaker 4] (4:03:01 - 4:03:01)
So

[Speaker 1] (4:03:01 - 4:03:01)
seconded.

[Speaker 4] (4:03:01 - 4:03:02)
moved again.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:02 - 4:03:04)
Moved, seconded, all those in favour?

[Speaker 6] (4:03:04 - 4:03:04)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (4:03:04 - 4:03:05)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:05 - 4:03:08)
Aye, okay. Great, select board time.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:10 - 4:03:10)
David,

[Speaker 1] (4:03:10 - 4:03:11)
since I asked you to wait.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:12 - 4:03:14)
May I suggest you go first this week, Jessica?

[Speaker 8] (4:03:14 - 4:03:14)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:16 - 4:03:17)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:18 - 4:03:22)
There have been many changes within town and that town hall recently.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:22 - 4:03:25)
Here's a few that have occurred within the last few months.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:26 - 4:03:28)
Elimination of the assistant at the police department.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:29 - 4:03:31)
Elimination of the assistant at the fire department.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:31 - 4:03:35)
who was told that her position was going away as she was out on maternity leave.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:36 - 4:03:41)
Our public health nurse was told her job was going to be eliminated despite her position's line item being funded at town meeting.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:42 - 4:03:45)
Our land use coordinator wasn't hired as our town planner,

[Speaker 8] (4:03:46 - 4:03:48)
but she got hired for the same role in the city of Malden.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:49 - 4:03:56)
We had our finance director leave because she was disrespected and not offered a contract until it was far too late and for far less money than she was offered elsewhere.

[Speaker 8] (4:03:57 - 4:03:58)
Just today,

[Speaker 8] (4:03:58 - 4:04:07)
we had another finance employee give her notice. We had our recreation director retire this month, and now we've run off another great high-performing town employee,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:07 - 4:04:08)
Jackie Camerlingo.

[Speaker 8] (4:04:09 - 4:04:11)
With all the turmoil in town hall,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:11 - 4:04:15)
the rec department has been a beacon of light in our town,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:15 - 4:04:16)
especially this summer.

[Speaker 8] (4:04:16 - 4:04:19)
With residents looking forward to movie nights,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:19 - 4:04:21)
Wednesday music on town hall lawn,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:21 - 4:04:23)
great summer programming,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:23 - 4:04:25)
events for our kids,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:25 - 4:04:31)
the list literally goes on and on. And in the midst of our busiest season in the Recreation Department,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:31 - 4:04:36)
the acting town administrator decided that the recreation needed to be focused upon and a change made,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:36 - 4:04:39)
despite there being more events than ever before,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:39 - 4:04:41)
more programming.

[Speaker 8] (4:04:42 - 4:04:49)
than ever before and a plan in place that ensured the hundreds of families who have signed up for summer programming would not be impacted whatsoever.

[Speaker 8] (4:04:50 - 4:04:52)
But there is an impact,

[Speaker 8] (4:04:52 - 4:04:54)
a considerable impact.

[Speaker 8] (4:04:54 - 4:04:58)
Jackie Camerlingo's last day with the town of Swampskate will be August 1st.

[Speaker 8] (4:04:59 - 4:05:07)
You heard earlier this evening from Jackie that discriminatory comments were made to her during the Recreation Department hiring process.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:09 - 4:05:17)
She was told it was thought she should remain as a part-time, 30-hour-per-week employee so that she could spend more time at home with her son.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:20 - 4:05:20)
It's clear.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:21 - 4:05:27)
It's clear to me the decision had already been made before Jackie even had a chance to submit her resume or interview for the position.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:29 - 4:05:31)
Upon first learning of these discriminatory comments,

[Speaker 8] (4:05:32 - 4:05:38)
I immediately contacted Acting Town Administrator Gino Cresta on May 29th to express my extreme concern.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:39 - 4:05:40)
No action was taken.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:40 - 4:05:41)
In addition,

[Speaker 8] (4:05:42 - 4:05:48)
at the same time, there were multiple reports of confidential information being released as the hiring process continued.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:49 - 4:05:50)
I reported it,

[Speaker 8] (4:05:50 - 4:05:51)
and again,

[Speaker 8] (4:05:51 - 4:05:52)
no action was taken.

[Speaker 8] (4:05:53 - 4:05:59)
I continued to express concern over the following month to both acting Town Administrator Cresta and Select Board Chair Katie Phelan.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:00 - 4:06:02)
Despite this, an unethical,

[Speaker 8] (4:06:03 - 4:06:04)
discriminatory,

[Speaker 8] (4:06:04 - 4:06:07)
and corrupt hiring process was allowed to continue.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:08 - 4:06:09)
It's obvious.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:09 - 4:06:11)
It's obvious to me the fix was in.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:12 - 4:06:23)
Ultimately, a candidate who is politically and personally connected to multiple select board members was hired for $20,000 more than the job was advertised for.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:26 - 4:06:30)
There should be a full and immediate outside investigation of this matter.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:31 - 4:06:39)
And there should be an immediate stop to the recreation hiring process until we get to the bottom of what can only be described as a broken,

[Speaker 8] (4:06:40 - 4:06:45)
corrupted process and a major, major violation of our public trust.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:46 - 4:06:53)
Anything less is simply further proof of continued negligence from our board and from town leadership.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:55 - 4:06:58)
Thank you for allowing me to speak three hours after.

[Speaker 8] (4:06:58 - 4:07:00)
I did want to make this comment immediately afterwards.

[Speaker 4] (4:07:03 - 4:07:08)
Quick question. Are you accusing me of the discriminatory comments?

[Speaker 4] (4:07:08 - 4:07:10)
I just want to clarify that right now.

[Speaker 8] (4:07:11 - 4:07:12)
I can talk to you offline.

[Speaker 4] (4:07:13 - 4:07:14)
Well, no,

[Speaker 6] (4:07:14 - 4:07:14)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (4:07:14 - 4:07:14)
no,

[Speaker 2] (4:07:14 - 4:07:14)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 4] (4:07:14 - 4:07:15)
no.

[Speaker 4] (4:07:15 - 4:07:16)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (4:07:16 - 4:07:19)
we're definitely going to talkoffline, but you're going to clarify that now.

[Speaker 4] (4:07:19 - 4:07:24)
Are you accusing me of the discriminatory comments?

[Speaker 8] (4:07:27 - 4:07:29)
My comments stand on their on their own, you know.

[Speaker 9] (4:07:30 - 4:07:31)
Really? Are you gonna make

[Speaker 6] (4:07:32 - 4:07:34)
Gina, if you were not discriminatory,

[Speaker 9] (4:07:34 - 4:07:34)
thank

[Speaker 6] (4:07:34 - 4:07:36)
if your you. results were not discriminatory, it was not you.

[Speaker 1] (4:07:57 - 4:07:59)
I I'm like literally

[Speaker 2] (4:08:03 - 4:08:03)
I do.

[Speaker 2] (4:08:06 - 4:08:10)
I am incredibly disheartened by what I just heard.

[Speaker 2] (4:08:10 - 4:08:20)
I feel like we made real strides tonight in trying to bridge and heal past issues of mistrust.

[Speaker 2] (4:08:21 - 4:08:34)
an inappropriate behavior and we just threw it right off the window, stomped on it, and um made a complete mockery of what we just agreed to.

[Speaker 2] (4:08:37 - 4:08:41)
So being the only person on this board that has an H.R. background,

[Speaker 2] (4:08:43 - 4:08:54)
I'm particularly annoyed by the way this whole thing has transpired, and I'm going to comment even though it is my personal opinion that this discussion should not be happening this way.

[Speaker 2] (4:08:56 - 4:09:04)
Okay. I am the first person and the loudest person in the room nine times out of ten ready to make a stink for any reason.

[Speaker 2] (4:09:04 - 4:09:11)
But the very fact that we're sitting here discussing a hiring process that is supposed to be confidential.

[Speaker 2] (4:09:13 - 4:09:39)
is really nauseating to me. Now, that does not that's not without saying that all of the applicants for this position are stellar human beings and fantastic at what they do and I'm speaking directly to you Jackie Camerlingo. You have transformed the rec department from when the time you came on to the current day you have done a fabulous job.

[Speaker 2] (4:09:41 - 4:09:47)
That is also not to say that the person that got the position isn't fantastic at what she does.

[Speaker 2] (4:09:47 - 4:09:49)
We all live in this town,

[Speaker 2] (4:09:49 - 4:09:51)
a very small town.

[Speaker 2] (4:09:52 - 4:09:53)
And sometimes,

[Speaker 2] (4:09:53 - 4:09:55)
and I've had this conversation with Jackie and many other people,

[Speaker 2] (4:09:56 - 4:09:59)
sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

[Speaker 2] (4:09:59 - 4:10:02)
That is the reality of applying for a job.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:02 - 4:10:04)
It doesn't make it right.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:04 - 4:10:05)
It doesn't make it feel better.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:05 - 4:10:07)
It can still sting and be sensitive.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:08 - 4:10:16)
But it's how you act after the process is over that really defines you and will continue to define you for the rest of your career.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:16 - 4:10:18)
That's what I have found in human resources.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:18 - 4:10:21)
Now, that is not to say this process went off perfectly,

[Speaker 2] (4:10:21 - 4:10:32)
but I am never going to sit here and doubt or play Monday morning quarterback when it comes to Gino Cresta. That is the only thing I can say with assurance.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:33 - 4:10:44)
I would never suggest or think that he is corrupt or discriminatory or intentionally trying to do anything other than what is in the best interest of the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:45 - 4:10:46)
He is not perfect,

[Speaker 2] (4:10:46 - 4:10:47)
none of us are.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:48 - 4:10:52)
I believe the comment was that it was a really difficult decision and you would lose friends either way.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:52 - 4:10:55)
That's reality for any hiring manager at any time.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:56 - 4:10:58)
I've come across it. I've been part of it.

[Speaker 2] (4:10:58 - 4:11:03)
I've beaten out internals. I've been beaten by externals. We all have.

[Speaker 2] (4:11:04 - 4:11:05)
It doesn't make it feel good.

[Speaker 2] (4:11:06 - 4:11:11)
But the way that we're acting right now is so disheartening to me.

[Speaker 2] (4:11:11 - 4:11:11)
And I just.

[Speaker 2] (4:11:12 - 4:11:35)
I'm we're taking aim at a process that's fine and absolutely I think there is aim to take for this process for sure it did not go textbook the way I would like to see a human resources you know process go but I am not going to sit here and play he said she said about who said what who was wrong I wasn't in the room none of us were in the room

[Speaker 2] (4:11:35 - 4:11:37)
We have no idea.

[Speaker 2] (4:11:37 - 4:11:40)
The way I hear something may not be the way you hear something.

[Speaker 2] (4:11:41 - 4:11:44)
The way you deliver something might not be the way I deliver it, right?

[Speaker 2] (4:11:44 - 4:11:50)
But I'm not going to question the ethics of the most difficult role in the building,

[Speaker 2] (4:11:50 - 4:11:52)
which is human resources, let me tell you.

[Speaker 2] (4:11:53 - 4:11:55)
That woman or that position,

[Speaker 2] (4:11:55 - 4:11:56)
let's say that position,

[Speaker 2] (4:11:56 - 4:11:58)
gets the flack no matter what,

[Speaker 2] (4:11:58 - 4:12:00)
because inevitably somebody does not win.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:01 - 4:12:05)
Right? And there's emotion involved in that,

[Speaker 2] (4:12:05 - 4:12:06)
right?

[Speaker 2] (4:12:06 - 4:12:08)
But I'm just disheartened.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:09 - 4:12:12)
I feel for Jackie. I feel for Charlotte.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:12 - 4:12:20)
I feel for everybody involved in the process because we all live here and it's personal and it's sensitive and it's not something contrary to what Mr.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:20 - 4:12:20)
Demento thinks.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:20 - 4:12:28)
It is not something to be discussed lightly and sometimes it's one of those things not to be discussed in this manner.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:28 - 4:12:32)
It's not sensitive to the people involved and it does no good.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:32 - 4:12:34)
All it does is harm, right?

[Speaker 2] (4:12:34 - 4:12:35)
And that's my personal feeling.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:35 - 4:12:36)
So I'm really...

[Speaker 2] (4:12:37 - 4:12:38)
Yeah, I'm just really shocked.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:38 - 4:12:49)
I didn't expect it, you know, I really didn't expect, I certainly expected the feelings of the people involved, but the people that, us, the viewers from the outside of this process,

[Speaker 2] (4:12:49 - 4:12:49)
no,

[Speaker 2] (4:12:49 - 4:12:51)
I don't think we're here to pass judgment.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:51 - 4:12:53)
And I'm not, I really,

[Speaker 2] (4:12:53 - 4:12:58)
any decision made by this man as the interim town administrator has got to be supported by this board.

[Speaker 2] (4:12:58 - 4:13:02)
And we need to learn this lesson now, because when we hire a TA,

[Speaker 2] (4:13:02 - 4:13:03)
we need to do it there too.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:04 - 4:13:06)
It might not be what I agree with every time,

[Speaker 2] (4:13:06 - 4:13:10)
it might not be what you agree with every time, but they deserve our support.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:10 - 4:13:14)
Nobody is going to want to work here as a town administrator if we keep doing this type of stuff.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:16 - 4:13:17)
Calling people corrupt,

[Speaker 2] (4:13:17 - 4:13:18)
calling them discriminatory,

[Speaker 2] (4:13:18 - 4:13:20)
that's out of line,

[Speaker 2] (4:13:20 - 4:13:20)
it's inappropriate,

[Speaker 2] (4:13:20 - 4:13:21)
shouldn't have happened.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:22 - 4:13:27)
I apologize to you for having to sit through this. I apologize to you for having to deal with this publicly.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:27 - 4:13:29)
And you felt like you had to, I understand that.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:29 - 4:13:32)
Like, I get it. I totally get it from your perspective.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:32 - 4:13:38)
And I will work to make sure the process doesn't happen the way it did too, because I feel for you. I understand that.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:38 - 4:13:40)
We definitely have some things to fix.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:40 - 4:13:45)
It doesn't mean that everybody's corrupt and everybody's the devil and everybody has nefarious intent.

[Speaker 2] (4:13:45 - 4:13:47)
recent ten no that's not how we go about it so

[Speaker 3] (4:13:47 - 4:13:48)
May I?

[Speaker 3] (4:13:51 - 4:13:52)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (4:13:54 - 4:13:57)
For the last seven, almost eight months,

[Speaker 3] (4:13:58 - 4:14:05)
Gino, you have s stood up and taken care of the DPW and the town.

[Speaker 3] (4:14:06 - 4:14:10)
While people are taking multiple weeks of vacation,

[Speaker 3] (4:14:11 - 4:14:12)
off on Fridays,

[Speaker 3] (4:14:12 - 4:14:14)
having the weekends off,

[Speaker 3] (4:14:14 - 4:14:42)
You've had to jump in, get involved in areas of the town that you didn't even have as much confidence in, even though we weren't totally capable of it, um and you you just put your heart and soul out there. And just recently you had to make a decision on on the hiring of a candidate with the goal of making the town a better place.

[Speaker 3] (4:14:43 - 4:14:45)
You had to make a hard decision.

[Speaker 3] (4:14:45 - 4:14:47)
And because we are a small town,

[Speaker 4] (4:14:47 - 4:14:48)
I'm smiling.

[Speaker 3] (4:14:49 - 4:14:53)
because we're in a s we're in a small town, it makes it personal for everyone.

[Speaker 3] (4:14:54 - 4:14:58)
And that's that's a real problem. David, your comments

[Speaker 3] (4:15:00 - 4:15:06)
are so disappointing I don't even have words for it. Your constant attacks on people

[Speaker 3] (4:15:06 - 4:15:13)
You do not help this community one bit, and I really wish you would take a moment and just reflect on what you're doing overall.

[Speaker 3] (4:15:15 - 4:15:26)
Do you know, I'm sorry you've had to deal with this. You've done a great job. You've positioned us to be in a better place, and I appreciate it. I'm sorry you've had to deal with this.

[Speaker 1] (4:15:31 - 4:15:31)
Doug?

[Speaker 6] (4:15:55 - 4:15:58)
I guess I'll start with where Danielle started.

[Speaker 6] (4:16:00 - 4:16:03)
I think we did make a lot of progress tonight.

[Speaker 6] (4:16:07 - 4:16:10)
And I,

[Speaker 6] (4:16:10 - 4:16:18)
David's comments certainly,

[Speaker 6] (4:16:18 - 4:16:23)
you know, don't leave us all feeling rosy.

[Speaker 6] (4:16:26 - 4:16:27)
Um...

[Speaker 6] (4:16:31 - 4:16:34)
But I guess I wanna make sure that we

[Speaker 6] (4:16:36 - 4:16:42)
don't we're not flushing everything down uh that we kind of move forward on tonight.

[Speaker 6] (4:16:44 - 4:16:47)
So, and that might be you know harder

[Speaker 1] (4:16:47 - 4:16:51)
So if you just make a suggestion you stop crinkling your plastics in the microphone. Sorry.

[Speaker 6] (4:16:52 - 4:16:52)
Maybe I wanted high-res.

[Speaker 1] (4:16:52 - 4:16:54)
I know, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 6] (4:16:54 - 4:16:55)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (4:16:55 - 4:16:57)
For the sake of the folks with headphones on.

[Speaker 6] (4:16:57 - 4:17:05)
Yeah. Um so I I don't want to lose I don't want to lose that, but I understand for some people that may be very hard.

[Speaker 6] (4:17:13 - 4:17:19)
I understand, you know, some of the concerns that David raises, but,

[Speaker 6] (4:17:19 - 4:17:28)
you know, I don't have any first-hand information to, you know, opine on, you know, individual aspects of what he said.

[Speaker 6] (4:17:34 - 4:17:42)
I do think that there have been questions raised about the process that

[Speaker 6] (4:17:43 - 4:17:54)
would be good to make sure we get clarity on, because as with a lot of things, things swirl around and it's not so clear kind of what the...

[Speaker 1] (4:17:57 - 4:18:01)
So I think that would be helpful.

[Speaker 1] (4:18:06 - 4:18:09)
I do have to acknowledge that I

[Speaker 1] (4:18:11 - 4:18:14)
think we may have...

[Speaker 1] (4:18:15 - 4:18:31)
uh al allowed Gino to hire somebody as the interim town administrator which may or may not be within his purview as the interim town administrator to hire um any anyone

[Speaker 1] (4:18:31 - 4:18:35)
actually um by virtue of a charter.

[Speaker 2] (4:18:35 - 4:18:36)
But it was in the upper letter.

[Speaker 1] (4:18:37 - 4:18:37)
What's that?

[Speaker 2] (4:18:38 - 4:18:38)
On

[Speaker 3] (4:18:38 - 4:18:39)
The chartex the charter is

[Speaker 4] (4:18:39 - 4:18:39)
We

[Speaker 3] (4:18:39 - 4:18:39)
we can

[Speaker 4] (4:18:39 - 4:18:39)
just hired

[Speaker 3] (4:18:39 - 4:18:39)
clear.

[Speaker 4] (4:18:39 - 4:18:40)
a building inspector also.

[Speaker 3] (4:18:40 - 4:18:42)
The sh Yeah, the chart is clear, we voted can hire.

[Speaker 1] (4:18:42 - 4:18:43)
we we we

[Speaker 2] (4:18:43 - 4:18:43)
We

[Speaker 1] (4:18:43 - 4:18:43)
we've

[Speaker 2] (4:18:43 - 4:18:43)
voted

[Speaker 1] (4:18:43 - 4:18:44)
we have we voted that. that.

[Speaker 1] (4:18:44 - 4:18:57)
I I'm just I'm not I'm not looking to I'm just I'm just acknowledging again, like there's potentially I'm not trying to say definitively I know that, but um

[Speaker 1] (4:18:59 - 4:18:59)
uh

[Speaker 1] (4:19:01 - 4:19:09)
there's a d I guess my point there mostly is that there's there's responsibility probably to go around. Um so

[Speaker 1] (4:19:10 - 4:19:35)
uh I think we should make sure that we you know kind of collect the the facts and um and as we did with these other things kind of you know get to the bottom of them professionally in the right place um in order to uh bring closure to this process uh as we did with a couple other ones today.

[Speaker 1] (4:19:35 - 4:19:37)
I think that's the only place.

[Speaker 6] (4:19:37 - 4:19:39)
But just to clarify,

[Speaker 1] (4:19:39 - 4:19:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (4:19:39 - 4:19:49)
in the offer letter the language clearly states, please note permanent appointment requires confirmation from the permanent town administrator.

[Speaker 1] (4:19:49 - 4:19:50)
Okay. Great.

[Speaker 6] (4:19:50 - 4:19:50)
So we cover

[Speaker 1] (4:19:50 - 4:19:50)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (4:19:50 - 4:19:51)
that.

[Speaker 1] (4:19:51 - 4:19:52)
Great. Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (4:19:55 - 4:19:55)
Um

[Speaker 1] (4:19:58 - 4:20:01)
So I'll just leave it at that. I think I think we can work our way out of this.

[Speaker 7] (4:20:01 - 4:20:03)
I don't know.

[Speaker 7] (4:20:03 - 4:20:04)
I don't know, Doug.

[Speaker 3] (4:20:04 - 4:20:05)
I don't think so.

[Speaker 7] (4:20:05 - 4:20:06)
I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (4:20:06 - 4:20:08)
We just did it. We just did it on several other things earlier today.

[Speaker 1] (4:20:08 - 4:20:09)
So,

[Speaker 7] (4:20:09 - 4:20:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (4:20:09 - 4:20:11)
but I understand how people feel.

[Speaker 1] (4:20:11 - 4:20:11)
So.

[Speaker 7] (4:20:11 - 4:20:12)
It's a setback.

[Speaker 8] (4:20:12 - 4:20:13)
So,

[Speaker 8] (4:20:13 - 4:20:17)
first of all, I want to say, Gino, I will

[Speaker 8] (4:20:18 - 4:20:25)
secede some of my select board time back to you if you would like to say anything with regards to some of the allegations. You don't have to, but out of respect for you,

[Speaker 8] (4:20:25 - 4:20:27)
I just

[Speaker 8] (4:20:27 - 4:20:28)
Don't know how.

[Speaker 6] (4:20:31 - 4:20:35)
It's tough to sit here.

[Speaker 6] (4:20:35 - 4:20:38)
If I made missteps along the way over the last eight months,

[Speaker 6] (4:20:39 - 4:20:39)
absolutely,

[Speaker 6] (4:20:40 - 4:20:41)
many of them,

[Speaker 6] (4:20:41 - 4:20:41)
right?

[Speaker 6] (4:20:42 - 4:20:52)
But for somebody that was worried about the amount of money we had to pay out to the former town administrator because there were allegations made.

[Speaker 6] (4:20:54 - 4:20:56)
I could have something simple. My character was just slanted

[Speaker 3] (4:20:56 - 4:20:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (4:20:57 - 4:20:57)
here.

[Speaker 7] (4:20:57 - 4:20:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (4:20:57 - 4:20:58)
Slanted.

[Speaker 7] (4:20:59 - 4:20:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (4:20:59 - 4:21:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (4:21:00 - 4:21:01)
Yep, shake your head no.

[Speaker 6] (4:21:04 - 4:21:05)
So what I'm going to have, right,

[Speaker 6] (4:21:07 - 4:21:10)
I have to figure out what the next step is

[Speaker 8] (4:21:10 - 4:21:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (4:21:11 - 4:21:19)
and why any person would apply for this position after watching somebody that stepped in, that tried to do the right thing all the way.

[Speaker 6] (4:21:20 - 4:21:21)
And it's like this,

[Speaker 6] (4:21:22 - 4:21:26)
I know it's your opinion, but it's,

[Speaker 3] (4:21:28 - 4:21:29)
We all have opinions.

[Speaker 6] (4:21:29 - 4:21:32)
that was shameful really. You know how big, you know, big boy,

[Speaker 6] (4:21:32 - 4:21:33)
can handle it, but

[Speaker 6] (4:21:34 - 4:21:35)
that wasn't right.

[Speaker 3] (4:21:35 - 4:21:41)
You know what, my concern really to be honest is not as much to you directly, though I feel badly for what happened to

[Speaker 6] (4:21:41 - 4:21:41)
My

[Speaker 3] (4:21:41 - 4:21:41)
you directly

[Speaker 6] (4:21:41 - 4:21:41)
kids

[Speaker 3] (4:21:41 - 4:21:42)
just now.

[Speaker 6] (4:21:42 - 4:21:43)
that were watching this right

[Speaker 3] (4:21:43 - 4:21:43)
It's

[Speaker 6] (4:21:43 - 4:21:43)
now,

[Speaker 3] (4:21:43 - 4:21:44)
your family,

[Speaker 6] (4:21:44 - 4:21:44)
exactly.

[Speaker 3] (4:21:44 - 4:21:46)
it's your kids, it's, it's this whole community.

[Speaker 3] (4:21:47 - 4:22:07)
It's all of us, 'cause we're all talking ab If we listen to Debbie Friedlander tonight, or we listen to Bill Demento, or we listen to anybody, right, it's all about you know what information can you give, what can you how transparent and honest can you be, right. We we have applicants and people and employees that live in this town,

[Speaker 3] (4:22:08 - 4:22:11)
right. Like what what are we saying?

[Speaker 3] (4:22:12 - 4:22:12)
What are we doing?

[Speaker 8] (4:22:12 - 4:22:16)
We're saying that there's corruption in the board.

[Speaker 7] (4:22:16 - 4:22:16)
That's

[Speaker 8] (4:22:16 - 4:22:16)
That's what was said.

[Speaker 7] (4:22:16 - 4:22:16)
it.

[Speaker 8] (4:22:16 - 4:22:20)
They're saying that because I had to sign up on,

[Speaker 8] (4:22:20 - 4:22:25)
Jackie hosted a sign for Katie Phelan when I ran for re-election.

[Speaker 8] (4:22:25 - 4:22:28)
If she got appointed, would we have the same conversation?

[Speaker 8] (4:22:30 - 4:22:32)
I mean, we all have relationships with many people.

[Speaker 3] (4:22:32 - 4:22:33)
I was at Jackie's

[Speaker 8] (4:22:33 - 4:22:33)
I

[Speaker 3] (4:22:33 - 4:22:33)
baby shower

[Speaker 8] (4:22:33 - 4:22:34)
welcome,

[Speaker 3] (4:22:34 - 4:22:35)
for her most recent child.

[Speaker 8] (4:22:35 - 4:22:36)
I welcome

[Speaker 3] (4:22:36 - 4:22:37)
What are we talking about

[Speaker 8] (4:22:37 - 4:22:38)
an

[Speaker 3] (4:22:38 - 4:22:38)
here?

[Speaker 8] (4:22:38 - 4:22:42)
investigation into any misgivings with regards to the chair,

[Speaker 8] (4:22:42 - 4:22:49)
which you labeled as having some sort of issue in this process. I welcome a transparent,

[Speaker 8] (4:22:49 - 4:22:55)
whatever you want to call it, because I literally,

[Speaker 8] (4:22:55 - 4:22:57)
when I found out that

[Speaker 8] (4:22:57 - 4:22:59)
My very good friend and wonderful person,

[Speaker 8] (4:23:00 - 4:23:01)
Charlotte applied.

[Speaker 8] (4:23:01 - 4:23:03)
I immediately went to Gino and I said,

[Speaker 8] (4:23:03 - 4:23:10)
I will not talk to you about this because I cannot be seen as any part of this conversation.

[Speaker 8] (4:23:11 - 4:23:11)
I,

[Speaker 8] (4:23:12 - 4:23:13)
you brought it up once before,

[Speaker 8] (4:23:13 - 4:23:13)
David,

[Speaker 8] (4:23:14 - 4:23:25)
and I spoke to you about it and I told you that and yet you still make the allegation that I, what, put undue pressure on Gino? Is quid pro quo to get Charlotte a job?

[Speaker 8] (4:23:26 - 4:23:27)
That's what you're insinuating there.

[Speaker 6] (4:23:28 - 4:23:28)
That

[Speaker 8] (4:23:28 - 4:23:28)
It

[Speaker 6] (4:23:28 - 4:23:28)
was

[Speaker 8] (4:23:28 - 4:23:30)
might not be what you said,

[Speaker 8] (4:23:30 - 4:23:31)
it might not be what you said,

[Speaker 3] (4:23:31 - 4:23:31)
Maybe

[Speaker 8] (4:23:31 - 4:23:31)
but that

[Speaker 3] (4:23:31 - 4:23:32)
you could

[Speaker 8] (4:23:32 - 4:23:32)
is

[Speaker 3] (4:23:32 - 4:23:32)
clarify.

[Speaker 8] (4:23:32 - 4:23:32)
what you're insinuating.

[Speaker 3] (4:23:32 - 4:23:33)
Why don't you clarify that?

[Speaker 3] (4:23:34 - 4:23:34)
Maybe

[Speaker 8] (4:23:34 - 4:23:34)
And

[Speaker 3] (4:23:34 - 4:23:34)
there's

[Speaker 8] (4:23:34 - 4:23:34)
then when

[Speaker 3] (4:23:34 - 4:23:35)
a misunderstanding

[Speaker 8] (4:23:35 - 4:23:36)
the acting town

[Speaker 3] (4:23:36 - 4:23:36)
from

[Speaker 8] (4:23:36 - 4:23:36)
administrator

[Speaker 3] (4:23:36 - 4:23:36)
what

[Speaker 8] (4:23:36 - 4:23:39)
asks you to clarify what your insinuations mean,

[Speaker 8] (4:23:39 - 4:23:40)
you...

[Speaker 8] (4:23:40 - 4:23:46)
Say you won't do it in a public meeting. You just attacked his character in a public meeting. You just attacked mine in a public meeting.

[Speaker 3] (4:23:46 - 4:23:48)
You attacked a lot of people.

[Speaker 8] (4:23:48 - 4:23:49)
So to

[Speaker 3] (4:23:49 - 4:23:50)
You don't get to drop

[Speaker 8] (4:23:50 - 4:23:50)
then,

[Speaker 3] (4:23:50 - 4:23:50)
the bomb

[Speaker 8] (4:23:50 - 4:23:50)
exactly,

[Speaker 3] (4:23:50 - 4:23:51)
and run,

[Speaker 3] (4:23:51 - 4:23:51)
right?

[Speaker 3] (4:23:51 - 4:23:52)
So let's

[Speaker 8] (4:23:52 - 4:23:53)
to then step back and say,

[Speaker 3] (4:23:53 - 4:23:53)
talk

[Speaker 8] (4:23:53 - 4:23:54)
well, we're not going to talk about this now.

[Speaker 8] (4:23:54 - 4:23:55)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 3] (4:23:55 - 4:23:55)
let's

[Speaker 8] (4:23:55 - 4:23:55)
that's

[Speaker 3] (4:23:55 - 4:23:56)
talk disingenuous. about it.

[Speaker 8] (4:23:57 - 4:24:04)
If you want to live by what you say, then live by it. If you have an accusation that you think I acted in this process,

[Speaker 8] (4:24:04 - 4:24:05)
say it.

[Speaker 3] (4:24:05 - 4:24:05)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (4:24:06 - 4:24:08)
I am happy to answer it right now.

[Speaker 8] (4:24:09 - 4:24:12)
There is nothing, there is nothing,

[Speaker 8] (4:24:12 - 4:24:22)
and for you to insinuate it is insulting to my character and the leadership I have been trying to portray on this board since I was elected as chair.

[Speaker 1] (4:24:23 - 4:24:29)
We had a plan, there was a plan in place that did not impact the summer programming.

[Speaker 1] (4:24:30 - 4:24:31)
whatsoever Wait,

[Speaker 8] (4:24:31 - 4:24:32)
Your common

[Speaker 1] (4:24:32 - 4:24:32)
wait,

[Speaker 8] (4:24:32 - 4:24:32)
what

[Speaker 1] (4:24:32 - 4:24:32)
wait,

[Speaker 8] (4:24:32 - 4:24:33)
no David

[Speaker 1] (4:24:33 - 4:24:33)
wait, you asked me

[Speaker 8] (4:24:33 - 4:24:44)
I'm asking you to answer the question what my participation in this that was unethical or what other whatever other I'm sorry I don't recall all the words you use because I literally went blank

[Speaker 8] (4:24:46 - 4:24:56)
in my mind because I there was not one thing in this process that I participated in

[Speaker 8] (4:24:57 - 4:25:02)
To my recollection. But you are still making an accusation, an unfounded accusation against my character.

[Speaker 1] (4:25:04 - 4:25:10)
We hired someone with no municipal experience for $20,000 more.

[Speaker 8] (4:25:10 - 4:25:12)
What did I have to do with that

[Speaker 1] (4:25:12 - 4:25:12)
We

[Speaker 8] (4:25:12 - 4:25:12)
data?

[Speaker 1] (4:25:12 - 4:25:18)
hired someone with no municipal experience for $20,000 more than the job was applied,

[Speaker 1] (4:25:18 - 4:25:20)
than the job was posted for.

[Speaker 1] (4:25:20 - 4:25:26)
We hired some, we hired someone for $18,000 more than someone with 20 years experience had.

[Speaker 1] (4:25:27 - 4:25:32)
We hired someone and rushed to judgment to do this.

[Speaker 3] (4:25:32 - 4:25:32)
How do you know that?

[Speaker 1] (4:25:33 - 4:25:33)
Just listen.

[Speaker 3] (4:25:33 - 4:25:35)
How do you know we rushed to judgment?

[Speaker 3] (4:25:35 - 4:25:39)
How do you know what the resume said? How do you know how the interviews went?

[Speaker 1] (4:25:39 - 4:25:39)
We are

[Speaker 3] (4:25:39 - 4:25:44)
Do you have any idea or experience interviewing candidates and what a process looks like?

[Speaker 3] (4:25:44 - 4:25:45)
Do you personally have any idea?

[Speaker 1] (4:25:45 - 4:25:47)
Why would we do this right now in

[Speaker 3] (4:25:47 - 4:25:47)
Why

[Speaker 1] (4:25:47 - 4:25:48)
the midst

[Speaker 3] (4:25:48 - 4:25:48)
wouldn't

[Speaker 1] (4:25:48 - 4:25:48)
of our

[Speaker 3] (4:25:48 - 4:25:48)
we?

[Speaker 1] (4:25:48 - 4:25:48)
busiest

[Speaker 3] (4:25:48 - 4:25:49)
Where are we supposed to leave

[Speaker 1] (4:25:49 - 4:25:49)
season?

[Speaker 3] (4:25:49 - 4:25:50)
it empty at

[Speaker 9] (4:25:50 - 4:25:50)
You

[Speaker 3] (4:25:50 - 4:25:50)
rates

[Speaker 9] (4:25:50 - 4:25:50)
literally just

[Speaker 3] (4:25:50 - 4:25:50)
and quotas?

[Speaker 9] (4:25:50 - 4:26:00)
signed a handbook which asked to come out of town hall business and yet you are telling us that you want to be a part of it and we rushed all these things and now you want to micromanage the acting town administrator.

[Speaker 9] (4:26:00 - 4:26:03)
So do you want to do one or do you want to do the other?

[Speaker 9] (4:26:03 - 4:26:04)
Because now I'm confused.

[Speaker 9] (4:26:04 - 4:26:04)
I'm confused.

[Speaker 1] (4:26:04 - 4:26:07)
It's just really interesting that the timing here,

[Speaker 1] (4:26:08 - 4:26:10)
when there was a plan in place.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:10 - 4:26:11)
What is the plan?

[Speaker 3] (4:26:11 - 4:26:12)
What was the plan that I'm missing?

[Speaker 3] (4:26:13 - 4:26:14)
What was the plan?

[Speaker 3] (4:26:15 - 4:26:17)
When, when did, when was

[Speaker 9] (4:26:17 - 4:26:17)
Do

[Speaker 3] (4:26:17 - 4:26:17)
there

[Speaker 9] (4:26:17 - 4:26:17)
we a vote

[Speaker 3] (4:26:17 - 4:26:18)
plan for

[Speaker 9] (4:26:18 - 4:26:18)
on a plan?

[Speaker 3] (4:26:18 - 4:26:18)
this position?

[Speaker 9] (4:26:18 - 4:26:19)
Was there a plan discussed?

[Speaker 7] (4:26:19 - 4:26:19)
No.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:19 - 4:26:20)
Like, what am I missing?

[Speaker 1] (4:26:20 - 4:26:21)
There was a plan.

[Speaker 9] (4:26:21 - 4:26:22)
When?

[Speaker 1] (4:26:22 - 4:26:25)
There's Who? a plan to keep everyone in place and

[Speaker 9] (4:26:25 - 4:26:27)
Who? Who made that plan?

[Speaker 1] (4:26:27 - 4:26:28)
run this recreation department

[Speaker 9] (4:26:28 - 4:26:29)
Who made

[Speaker 1] (4:26:29 - 4:26:29)
without

[Speaker 9] (4:26:29 - 4:26:29)
the plan?

[Speaker 1] (4:26:29 - 4:26:31)
any interruption.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:31 - 4:26:31)
What plan?

[Speaker 1] (4:26:31 - 4:26:32)
Now there's a gap.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:32 - 4:26:33)
Who made

[Speaker 9] (4:26:33 - 4:26:33)
But

[Speaker 3] (4:26:33 - 4:26:33)
the plan?

[Speaker 9] (4:26:33 - 4:26:33)
who agreed

[Speaker 3] (4:26:33 - 4:26:33)
But

[Speaker 9] (4:26:33 - 4:26:33)
to

[Speaker 1] (4:26:33 - 4:26:33)
where's

[Speaker 9] (4:26:33 - 4:26:34)
that when

[Speaker 1] (4:26:34 - 4:26:34)
the gap?

[Speaker 9] (4:26:34 - 4:26:35)
plan? did that plan come about?

[Speaker 3] (4:26:35 - 4:26:36)
Did you have that plan?

[Speaker 3] (4:26:37 - 4:26:40)
Where is this plan coming from? I am the liaison to rec.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:40 - 4:26:41)
I want to know.

[Speaker 7] (4:26:41 - 4:26:41)
Barr

[Speaker 3] (4:26:41 - 4:26:44)
Who crafted this plan and who said it was the plan?

[Speaker 1] (4:26:44 - 4:26:45)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (4:26:45 - 4:26:45)
David,

[Speaker 1] (4:26:45 - 4:26:45)
certainly.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:45 - 4:26:46)
speak to it, please.

[Speaker 1] (4:26:46 - 4:26:46)
We

[Speaker 3] (4:26:46 - 4:26:47)
You're referencing

[Speaker 1] (4:26:47 - 4:26:53)
certainly didn't, we certainly heard from our Rec Commission Chair that there was, that there was no consultation with

[Speaker 8] (4:26:53 - 4:26:53)
David,

[Speaker 1] (4:26:53 - 4:26:53)
them.

[Speaker 8] (4:26:53 - 4:26:53)
answer

[Speaker 3] (4:26:53 - 4:26:54)
But what

[Speaker 8] (4:26:54 - 4:26:54)
the

[Speaker 3] (4:26:54 - 4:26:54)
about

[Speaker 8] (4:26:54 - 4:26:54)
question.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:54 - 4:26:57)
the plan that you're alluding to? You're dropping a bomb and you're running.

[Speaker 8] (4:26:57 - 4:26:57)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:57 - 4:26:59)
Back it up, Grishman. Let's go.

[Speaker 3] (4:26:59 - 4:27:00)
Let's dance.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:00 - 4:27:01)
You want to dance? Let's

[Speaker 8] (4:27:01 - 4:27:01)
What's

[Speaker 3] (4:27:01 - 4:27:01)
dance.

[Speaker 8] (4:27:01 - 4:27:01)
in the plan?

[Speaker 1] (4:27:01 - 4:27:07)
Yeah. Well, you had, you had an employee who's worked diligently and given up every weekend.

[Speaker 10] (4:27:07 - 4:27:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (4:27:08 - 4:27:08)
Fantastic.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:08 - 4:27:09)
Nobody is taking

[Speaker 7] (4:27:09 - 4:27:09)
Camerlingo.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:09 - 4:27:10)
Gia's dollar.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:10 - 4:27:12)
I do not discount that.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:12 - 4:27:13)
I don't disagree with that.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:13 - 4:27:15)
Sometimes people that are stellar lose.

[Speaker 7] (4:27:16 - 4:27:17)
You Sometimes betcha.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:17 - 4:27:20)
there are other candidates better suited in different ways.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:20 - 4:27:21)
That's reality.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:22 - 4:27:26)
I don't get to question Pfizer when I apply for a job why I didn't get it.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:26 - 4:27:29)
I just didn't get it. That happens.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:29 - 4:27:30)
It's life.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:31 - 4:27:32)
Sometimes you get screwed.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:33 - 4:27:34)
Absolutely happens.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:34 - 4:27:36)
Sometimes you get a job you shouldn't have got.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:37 - 4:27:38)
That happens too.

[Speaker 7] (4:27:38 - 4:27:38)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (4:27:38 - 4:27:38)
But

[Speaker 7] (4:27:38 - 4:27:38)
but what

[Speaker 3] (4:27:38 - 4:27:38)
who

[Speaker 7] (4:27:38 - 4:27:38)
you

[Speaker 11] (4:27:38 - 4:27:39)
are we?

[Speaker 9] (4:27:39 - 4:27:42)
don't get to do is attack people without merit.

[Speaker 9] (4:27:42 - 4:27:43)
You don't get to say,

[Speaker 3] (4:27:43 - 4:27:44)
He does it

[Speaker 7] (4:27:44 - 4:27:44)
Superintendent,

[Speaker 3] (4:27:44 - 4:27:44)
all the time.

[Speaker 9] (4:27:44 - 4:27:46)
you don't get to do that.

[Speaker 3] (4:27:46 - 4:27:47)
He does it all the time.

[Speaker 9] (4:27:47 - 4:27:49)
It is exceedingly

[Speaker 2] (4:27:53 - 4:27:53)
David.

[Speaker 2] (4:27:53 - 4:27:55)
It is exceedingly frustrating.

[Speaker 2] (4:27:55 - 4:27:57)
If you want to make accusations,

[Speaker 2] (4:27:57 - 4:27:59)
back them up.

[Speaker 2] (4:27:59 - 4:28:02)
If you want to call my character to the floor here,

[Speaker 2] (4:28:02 - 4:28:04)
ask me the questions now.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:04 - 4:28:05)
What do you want to know?

[Speaker 2] (4:28:06 - 4:28:08)
What do you think I did?

[Speaker 2] (4:28:08 - 4:28:09)
How do you think I did it?

[Speaker 3] (4:28:10 - 4:28:14)
I have to say, I didn't hear him accuse you.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:14 - 4:28:14)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (4:28:14 - 4:28:14)
He

[Speaker 2] (4:28:14 - 4:28:15)
yes

[Speaker 4] (4:28:15 - 4:28:15)
just he ripped did David.

[Speaker 3] (4:28:15 - 4:28:17)
I heard the process was corrupt.

[Speaker 4] (4:28:18 - 4:28:19)
No, he didn't No, say that though.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:19 - 4:28:24)
he said that there was a Charlotte and I have a relationship and how convenient it was that somebody got something

[Speaker 3] (4:28:25 - 4:28:26)
If you

[Speaker 6] (4:28:26 - 4:28:26)
I

[Speaker 3] (4:28:26 - 4:28:26)
did,

[Speaker 6] (4:28:26 - 4:28:34)
said a candidate who is politically and personally connected to multiple select board members was hired for $20,000 more than what the job was advertised for.

[Speaker 6] (4:28:34 - 4:28:35)
That's a fact.

[Speaker 7] (4:28:35 - 4:28:37)
Who is she connected to other than Katie?

[Speaker 7] (4:28:38 - 4:28:39)
Please tell me.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:41 - 4:28:42)
Let's start at the very beginning.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:42 - 4:28:43)
I bought my house from her,

[Speaker 2] (4:28:44 - 4:28:44)
okay?

[Speaker 2] (4:28:44 - 4:28:48)
She moved out of this town and I literally bought my house from her.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:48 - 4:28:49)
That is how I met her.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:50 - 4:28:52)
She became my neighbor. We are very close friends.

[Speaker 6] (4:28:52 - 4:28:53)
I

[Speaker 7] (4:28:53 - 4:28:53)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (4:28:53 - 4:28:54)
didn't say I didn't say

[Speaker 2] (4:28:54 - 4:28:54)
anything Okay,

[Speaker 6] (4:28:54 - 4:28:54)
about

[Speaker 2] (4:28:54 - 4:28:54)
but I'm giving,

[Speaker 6] (4:28:54 - 4:28:54)
that's

[Speaker 2] (4:28:54 - 4:28:55)
I'm being transparent.

[Speaker 7] (4:28:55 - 4:28:56)
But this is you.

[Speaker 2] (4:28:56 - 4:28:56)
You're making

[Speaker 7] (4:28:56 - 4:28:56)
But who else?

[Speaker 2] (4:28:56 - 4:28:57)
an accusation,

[Speaker 7] (4:28:57 - 4:28:57)
Who

[Speaker 2] (4:28:57 - 4:28:57)
I'm

[Speaker 7] (4:28:57 - 4:28:58)
else?

[Speaker 2] (4:28:58 - 4:28:59)
being transparent.

[Speaker 3] (4:28:59 - 4:29:00)
But where's the accusation?

[Speaker 7] (4:29:00 - 4:29:00)
Tell me.

[Speaker 3] (4:29:00 - 4:29:01)
Where's the accusation?

[Speaker 7] (4:29:01 - 4:29:02)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 3] (4:29:02 - 4:29:02)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:02 - 4:29:02)
Mary

[Speaker 3] (4:29:02 - 4:29:02)
you want

[Speaker 7] (4:29:02 - 4:29:03)
Ellen's connected.

[Speaker 3] (4:29:03 - 4:29:03)
the accusation?

[Speaker 7] (4:29:03 - 4:29:04)
Are you connected

[Speaker 3] (4:29:04 - 4:29:04)
No,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:04 - 4:29:05)
to her?

[Speaker 3] (4:29:05 - 4:29:05)
we'll get to that.

[Speaker 3] (4:29:05 - 4:29:06)
I mean, but

[Speaker 2] (4:29:06 - 4:29:06)
No, the

[Speaker 7] (4:29:06 - 4:29:06)
So

[Speaker 2] (4:29:06 - 4:29:07)
accusation

[Speaker 7] (4:29:07 - 4:29:08)
Charlotte, you just said Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 2] (4:29:08 - 4:29:09)
What?

[Speaker 3] (4:29:09 - 4:29:09)
Well

[Speaker 7] (4:29:09 - 4:29:10)
So you're connected to Charlotte.

[Speaker 8] (4:29:11 - 4:29:12)
That is what he just said.

[Speaker 8] (4:29:12 - 4:29:13)
She bought a dog for me,

[Speaker 8] (4:29:13 - 4:29:14)
but,

[Speaker 8] (4:29:14 - 4:29:14)
I

[Speaker 7] (4:29:14 - 4:29:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (4:29:14 - 4:29:15)
mean, she

[Speaker 7] (4:29:15 - 4:29:16)
She's on my wife's

[Speaker 8] (4:29:16 - 4:29:16)
didn't have,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:16 - 4:29:16)
football team.

[Speaker 8] (4:29:16 - 4:29:17)
she didn't have a,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:17 - 4:29:19)
I went to Jackie's baby shower.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:19 - 4:29:20)
What are we talking about?

[Speaker 8] (4:29:20 - 4:29:20)
right.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:20 - 4:29:23)
I'm friends with 75% of this town.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:23 - 4:29:25)
All of you are as well.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:25 - 4:29:28)
That's why we don't make the decision and that guy did.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:29 - 4:29:35)
At some point we have to renege a little bit of control and let that person in that role do that job.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:36 - 4:29:43)
If Sean Fitzgerald was sitting there, you never had a problem with the decision he made. I had a ton of problems with it.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:45 - 4:29:46)
Right? Like, what are we doing?

[Speaker 7] (4:29:48 - 4:29:49)
Sometimes I won,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:49 - 4:29:50)
sometimes I lost.

[Speaker 7] (4:29:50 - 4:29:51)
That's the nature of it,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:51 - 4:29:52)
right?

[Speaker 7] (4:29:53 - 4:29:56)
But what is the end game here,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:56 - 4:29:57)
right?

[Speaker 7] (4:29:58 - 4:29:59)
To fix the process,

[Speaker 7] (4:29:59 - 4:30:00)
right?

[Speaker 7] (4:30:00 - 4:30:01)
I've talked to Jackie Camerlingo.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:02 - 4:30:04)
I know she has good intent for that.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:04 - 4:30:09)
I also know that she's been working her butt off for the past two weeks to make sure this transition is smooth,

[Speaker 7] (4:30:09 - 4:30:13)
okay, even not getting the job.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:13 - 4:30:15)
So that's kudos to her for doing that,

[Speaker 7] (4:30:15 - 4:30:16)
right?

[Speaker 7] (4:30:16 - 4:30:17)
That's the way to be.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:18 - 4:30:20)
Not this. This isn't the way to be.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:20 - 4:30:21)
It's not.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:21 - 4:30:26)
Because you know what? It still stinks for her every single day and she's going to live in this town and it's uncomfortable.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:26 - 4:30:27)
And I don't downplay that.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:28 - 4:30:31)
And I still say, I'm sorry, but sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:31 - 4:30:32)
We've had this conversation,

[Speaker 7] (4:30:32 - 4:30:33)
right?

[Speaker 7] (4:30:33 - 4:30:35)
It doesn't make it easier,

[Speaker 7] (4:30:35 - 4:30:38)
but you're going about it the best that you can in the right way.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:38 - 4:30:39)
Right, but this

[Speaker 6] (4:30:39 - 4:30:40)
It is,

[Speaker 7] (4:30:40 - 4:30:40)
yes

[Speaker 6] (4:30:40 - 4:30:49)
but there are also concerns that she brought up this evening that I have concerns.

[Speaker 6] (4:30:49 - 4:30:51)
And when I had those concerns,

[Speaker 6] (4:30:51 - 4:30:54)
I brought them to the person that I thought.

[Speaker 6] (4:30:55 - 4:30:57)
should be able to address those concerns.

[Speaker 6] (4:30:57 - 4:30:59)
I expressed my extreme concerns.

[Speaker 7] (4:30:59 - 4:31:04)
Yep, I get that. And because they didn't take your concerns and do what you wanted them to do with

[Speaker 2] (4:31:04 - 4:31:04)
No,

[Speaker 7] (4:31:04 - 4:31:05)
it,

[Speaker 2] (4:31:05 - 4:31:05)
the concerns then were

[Speaker 7] (4:31:05 - 4:31:05)
they

[Speaker 2] (4:31:05 - 4:31:05)
taken,

[Speaker 7] (4:31:05 - 4:31:06)
are wrong.

[Speaker 2] (4:31:06 - 4:31:07)
and there were meetings had,

[Speaker 2] (4:31:07 - 4:31:09)
and there were conversations with our council.

[Speaker 2] (4:31:09 - 4:31:10)
So...

[Speaker 3] (4:31:10 - 4:31:11)
And I did address the concerns

[Speaker 7] (4:31:11 - 4:31:14)
And sometimes the opinions we give,

[Speaker 7] (4:31:14 - 4:31:15)
I had an opinion for you.

[Speaker 7] (4:31:15 - 4:31:21)
I said, can we take both of these ladies and leverage both of their expertise areas and hire them both?

[Speaker 7] (4:31:21 - 4:31:23)
We couldn't, right?

[Speaker 7] (4:31:23 - 4:31:25)
I made a suggestion. It fell on deaf ears.

[Speaker 7] (4:31:25 - 4:31:29)
Am I sitting here crying in over spilt milk because my idea wasn't taken?

[Speaker 7] (4:31:29 - 4:31:29)
No,

[Speaker 7] (4:31:29 - 4:31:31)
because that's the reality of it.

[Speaker 7] (4:31:33 - 4:31:34)
It just,

[Speaker 7] (4:31:34 - 4:31:39)
just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you get to say we're corrupt and we're this and we're that.

[Speaker 7] (4:31:39 - 4:31:40)
Like it just,

[Speaker 7] (4:31:40 - 4:31:42)
that's just not the way to go about it.

[Speaker 2] (4:31:47 - 4:31:47)
We've

[Speaker 8] (4:31:47 - 4:31:48)
There's talking no,

[Speaker 2] (4:31:48 - 4:31:49)
about you.

[Speaker 7] (4:31:49 - 4:31:50)
Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2] (4:31:50 - 4:31:50)
It's

[Speaker 7] (4:31:50 - 4:31:50)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (4:31:50 - 4:31:51)
not traditional,

[Speaker 2] (4:31:51 - 4:31:52)
but I don't

[Speaker 7] (4:31:52 - 4:31:52)
No,

[Speaker 2] (4:31:52 - 4:31:52)
think any of this

[Speaker 7] (4:31:52 - 4:31:52)
it's

[Speaker 2] (4:31:52 - 4:31:52)
is,

[Speaker 7] (4:31:52 - 4:31:53)
not.

[Speaker 2] (4:31:53 - 4:31:53)
so please.

[Speaker 7] (4:31:53 - 4:31:54)
It's not.

[Speaker 8] (4:31:54 - 4:31:56)
Just in fact that we are asking for money.

[Speaker 6] (4:31:56 - 4:31:57)
Microphone?

[Speaker 8] (4:31:58 - 4:31:59)
Or just come up.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:10 - 4:32:12)
Because there are several of us who are so interconnected,

[Speaker 7] (4:32:12 - 4:32:14)
I do think it makes the situation a little bit trickier.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:16 - 4:32:22)
Something that was said to me even before this was a thing was optics.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:23 - 4:32:28)
That word was thrown around when I went in for a pay raise during budget season,

[Speaker 7] (4:32:28 - 4:32:34)
when I said, can I just have the opportunity to explain how the rec revolving account works,

[Speaker 9] (4:32:34 - 4:32:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:34 - 4:32:36)
the fact that it's not taxpayer money,

[Speaker 7] (4:32:36 - 4:32:41)
the fact that this feels like money that I've helped to contribute to the department.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:42 - 4:32:44)
Please, I know that we're going into this busy season.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:44 - 4:32:46)
At least bump me up to full time.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:47 - 4:32:53)
And I was told that the optics of that wouldn't work out during budget season or during election season,

[Speaker 7] (4:32:53 - 4:32:54)
and that wouldn't work out for everyone else.

[Speaker 7] (4:32:56 - 4:32:57)
So I thank you, Katie,

[Speaker 7] (4:32:57 - 4:33:02)
for addressing what others might see on the outside.

[Speaker 7] (4:33:05 - 4:33:08)
I don't want there to be a division at all.

[Speaker 7] (4:33:08 - 4:33:11)
Charlotte and I have worked together beautifully for many years.

[Speaker 8] (4:33:11 - 4:33:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (4:33:11 - 4:33:15)
That was the proposal that I made from my three years within the department.

[Speaker 7] (4:33:16 - 4:33:28)
The shared responsibility would have streamlined a lot and we would have worked. I said it was the dream team and I know that echoed to you. You said that when you gave me my decision that maybe I did shoot myself in the foot by singing her praises the way I did.

[Speaker 7] (4:33:30 - 4:33:33)
I also said I'm not going to shit on somebody to try and get ahead either.

[Speaker 7] (4:33:34 - 4:33:39)
But for a system that was seemingly working against me just based off of the optics,

[Speaker 7] (4:33:39 - 4:33:42)
it was tough to swallow the optics of this.

[Speaker 10] (4:33:43 - 4:33:45)
So I appreciate what you're saying.

[Speaker 10] (4:33:45 - 4:33:55)
I also appreciate what David's saying because there are people out there who question it given the relationship and her campaigning.

[Speaker 10] (4:33:57 - 4:33:58)
It is a tough pill to swallow.

[Speaker 10] (4:33:59 - 4:34:03)
It doesn't mean that I want to reverse this process at all.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:03 - 4:34:04)
I wouldn't go through it again.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:05 - 4:34:07)
I know it was tough for you.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:07 - 4:34:09)
That's another thing of optics.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:09 - 4:34:17)
It's really, really tough to put people in a position when you're essentially interviewing for another job. If you guys think that your opinions don't hold weight,

[Speaker 10] (4:34:17 - 4:34:17)
they do.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:18 - 4:34:19)
They do.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:19 - 4:34:20)
Spoken to you, Barry Ellen,

[Speaker 10] (4:34:20 - 4:34:26)
about that. Your opinion held weight. That first year I coasted on the fact that you were like, you're my favorite employee in town.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:26 - 4:34:27)
That's why I showed you that text message.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:28 - 4:34:35)
That's why it meant something to me to hear why your perspective changed on me. It wasn't to be confrontational. I didn't start the conversation yelling.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:35 - 4:34:40)
I literally just wanted an explanation because I had no understanding of why that,

[Speaker 10] (4:34:40 - 4:34:43)
I heard that you liked tough conversations and I was ready to have one with you.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:44 - 4:34:53)
And I appreciate the time you spent with me to have that difficult conversation and I did feel like we came out on the other end where we could be in the same town and look at each other with respect.

[Speaker 10] (4:34:54 - 4:35:01)
I've tried to handle this in a way where I'm not being divisive, where it's not making, it's team Jackie or team Charlotte,

[Speaker 10] (4:35:01 - 4:35:02)
but I've heard that along the way.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:04 - 4:35:06)
The optics of it has been tough to swallow.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:06 - 4:35:11)
The hardest part I think now is knowing her pay rate,

[Speaker 10] (4:35:11 - 4:35:13)
what she's being brought in on,

[Speaker 10] (4:35:14 - 4:35:18)
because that is a very different ballgame.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:19 - 4:35:27)
I hope, because these conversations weren't happening with me, and according to Danielle Strauss, they didn't happen with her,

[Speaker 10] (4:35:27 - 4:35:29)
I really hope.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:30 - 4:35:36)
that you guys have the wherewithal with that account to know what's outstanding for the summer.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:37 - 4:35:43)
I know we're throwing a lot of resources to events that I'm not manning.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:44 - 4:35:48)
When Danielle Strauss has been pretty frugal in that department,

[Speaker 10] (4:35:48 - 4:35:50)
we've made a lot happen with little.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:52 - 4:35:54)
I'm going to leave it at that.

[Speaker 10] (4:35:54 - 4:35:56)
I think I'm going to go sit down now because I think I need to.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:00 - 4:36:01)
I appreciate the work,

[Speaker 10] (4:36:01 - 4:36:02)
Danielle,

[Speaker 10] (4:36:02 - 4:36:04)
that you spoke to about the unity,

[Speaker 10] (4:36:05 - 4:36:07)
getting the handbook underway.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:08 - 4:36:10)
No matter what anybody says,

[Speaker 10] (4:36:10 - 4:36:15)
five of you were voted into these positions to represent members of this community.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:16 - 4:36:22)
And as I said, I just, I can't walk away from this situation knowing that this could be maybe a potential niche.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:22 - 4:36:30)
Maybe we don't always have an interim TA making these decisions and it is just this weird convoluted thing that happened.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:31 - 4:36:35)
But we need to address the optics of this and we need to bring it out loud.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:35 - 4:36:38)
I don't think this is something that needs to happen behind closed doors.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:38 - 4:36:42)
I think this is something that we can talk about in the public arena and say, hey,

[Speaker 10] (4:36:42 - 4:36:44)
this is what it looks like.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:44 - 4:36:45)
Let's talk about it.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:46 - 4:36:49)
Let's set a more solid.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:50 - 4:36:52)
more solid hiring protocols.

[Speaker 10] (4:36:53 - 4:37:01)
Who's going to sit on that? When it is brought down to just one person making that decision, who else could we bring on as an expert to weigh in on this?

[Speaker 10] (4:37:01 - 4:37:03)
We had people. We had the liaison.

[Speaker 10] (4:37:03 - 4:37:06)
We had Jill Sesry. As she spoke, she would have sat in on these.

[Speaker 10] (4:37:10 - 4:37:15)
There was a way to go about it that I just don't feel like was addressed because it was pretty hurried.

[Speaker 10] (4:37:16 - 4:37:18)
I don't think it was an emergency situation.

[Speaker 10] (4:37:18 - 4:37:27)
What David was alluding to about the plan was Danielle Strauss had said that she would stay on part-time this summer to see us through the busy season.

[Speaker 10] (4:37:28 - 4:37:32)
Another decision that I voiced when I was asked,

[Speaker 10] (4:37:32 - 4:37:36)
what would your plan be for Danielle Strauss?

[Speaker 10] (4:37:36 - 4:37:39)
I said I would keep her on at this point.

[Speaker 10] (4:37:39 - 4:37:41)
Now we're just too close to the busy season.

[Speaker 10] (4:37:43 - 4:37:44)
To get rid of her because it's.

[Speaker 1] (4:37:49 - 4:37:52)
I think that's the plan that David was speaking to.

[Speaker 1] (4:37:53 - 4:38:03)
And that was also a decision that might have shot me in the foot because I didn't draw enough separation between myself and Danielle Strauss for whatever reason that might have been.

[Speaker 1] (4:38:06 - 4:38:07)
Hopefully that provided some clarity.

[Speaker 2] (4:38:08 - 4:38:08)
Can you hope

[Speaker 1] (4:38:08 - 4:38:08)
Hopefully

[Speaker 2] (4:38:08 - 4:38:09)
yep

[Speaker 1] (4:38:09 - 4:38:11)
we can move forward and be okay,

[Speaker 1] (4:38:11 - 4:38:14)
'cause I I will be I will be and I have faith in you guys.

[Speaker 2] (4:38:15 - 4:38:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (4:38:15 - 4:38:23)
Thank I you. just I I have one thing to say that we have to remember. This is a personnel issue,

[Speaker 3] (4:38:23 - 4:38:32)
and that way too much has been said about personnel, but we cannot we cannot comment on things that have been made.

[Speaker 3] (4:38:33 - 4:38:56)
we can't comment on plans that it might have been, we can't comment on the on the interview process or the hiring prcess. We can't there's a lot of things we can't comment on, which makes it really hard to say well we need to have more transparency or we need to have a different process. I just think our hands are really tied here. This is just the fact that we're in this conversation is just so unfortunate.

[Speaker 4] (4:38:56 - 4:38:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (4:38:57 - 4:38:58)
This is something that

[Speaker 3] (4:38:58 - 4:39:01)
I should just been held inside taken care of inside.

[Speaker 6] (4:39:07 - 4:39:08)
Anybody want to make a motion?

[Speaker 7] (4:39:08 - 4:39:09)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 6] (4:39:10 - 4:39:11)
Anybody want a second?

[Speaker 3] (4:39:12 - 4:39:13)
I'm having a good time.

[Speaker 6] (4:39:13 - 4:39:13)
So

[Speaker 3] (4:39:13 - 4:39:13)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (4:39:13 - 4:39:14)
we somebody has a second.

[Speaker 3] (4:39:14 - 4:39:14)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (4:39:14 - 4:39:16)
Okay. All those in favor?

[Speaker 3] (4:39:16 - 4:39:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (4:39:16 - 4:39:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (4:39:16 - 4:39:16)
Aye.