[Speaker 1] (6:31 - 6:44)
Thank you. Hi, welcome. Um we're going to start our meeting. Um the f our first order of business is to approve our minutes from last uh from our last meeting. Does anybody wanna make a motion there?

[Speaker 2] (6:44 - 6:46)
I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes.

[Speaker 1] (6:46 - 6:47)
You have a second?

[Speaker 3] (6:47 - 6:47)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (6:47 - 6:48)
All in favour?

[Speaker 2] (6:48 - 6:48)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (6:48 - 6:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (6:49 - 6:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (6:49 - 6:50)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (6:50 - 7:12)
Thank you. Um we are going to take these a little out of order since we have a couple continued um we have a continued um petition from last meeting and um one new petition. Um so we're gonna start with petition twenty five twelve which is um for uh three seventy one Paradise Road. And I believe we have uh Ken Schutzer representing.

[Speaker 4] (7:15 - 7:16)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 5] (7:18 - 7:18)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 1] (7:18 - 7:19)
Yes, we can hear you.

[Speaker 5] (7:20 - 7:20)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (7:20 - 7:21)
great, great.

[Speaker 5] (7:21 - 7:23)
I wasn't sure,

[Speaker 5] (7:23 - 7:24)
but thank you very much.

[Speaker 5] (7:25 - 7:27)
Yes, following up from the last meeting,

[Speaker 5] (7:27 - 7:33)
if I could just take the prerogative of sort of recapping my understanding of where we were.

[Speaker 5] (7:34 - 7:37)
We had discussed the number of signs,

[Speaker 5] (7:37 - 7:38)
in this case would be four,

[Speaker 5] (7:38 - 7:40)
the distance between the signs,

[Speaker 5] (7:40 - 7:41)
which is 15 feet,

[Speaker 5] (7:42 - 7:43)
and the size of the signs.

[Speaker 5] (7:44 - 7:52)
What was problematic was the fact that the signs were lettering and not informational.

[Speaker 5] (7:52 - 7:54)
So we went through a number of

[Speaker 5] (7:55 - 8:21)
uh permutations of what we thought would best describe the product in a way that was as tasteful as we could what you're ultimately seeing now is is probably the fourth or fifth version i've i actually supplied one about a week ago and then there was a another change uh that we had given you and i believe that's what you have now so so these signs will appear in the size they are

[Speaker 5] (8:21 - 8:33)
on the exterior of the building as depicted with the information on the signs as you see them now,

[Speaker 5] (8:33 - 8:37)
which is more pictorial than it is lettering.

[Speaker 5] (8:37 - 8:39)
There's no lettering on these signs.

[Speaker 5] (8:39 - 8:44)
So we hopefully have addressed the question that you had raised.

[Speaker 5] (8:44 - 8:48)
Hopefully we have addressed the concerns that were outlined,

[Speaker 5] (8:49 - 8:55)
and hopefully now at this point, short of any other issues that we haven't formally addressed,

[Speaker 5] (8:55 - 9:07)
we believe that this hopefully will meet the criteria and allow you to permit by granting a special permit for the signage as initially requested.

[Speaker 5] (9:07 - 9:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (9:21 - 9:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (9:22 - 9:29)
I think that these are a great improvement and I very much appreciate all the hard work that's gone into this.

[Speaker 1] (9:30 - 9:33)
At the risk of sounding picky,

[Speaker 1] (9:33 - 9:36)
I really don't love the cigar.

[Speaker 1] (9:37 - 9:42)
I don't know if there's, I don't know the law on tobacco advertising,

[Speaker 1] (9:42 - 9:46)
I just don't and I don't know if that's something we can even discuss in this meeting, but.

[Speaker 1] (9:47 - 9:50)
That just gave me pause, so I just wanted to raise that concern.

[Speaker 5] (9:54 - 9:59)
Well, uh I know that earlier along when we had the awning, uh on the awning

[Speaker 1] (10:04 - 10:05)
This,

[Speaker 1] (10:05 - 10:13)
by the way, is not the first cigar that we have tried to create because the first one was a little lower toward the glass,

[Speaker 1] (10:13 - 10:15)
it had more smoke coming out of it.

[Speaker 1] (10:15 - 10:17)
We didn't want to accentuate the cigar,

[Speaker 1] (10:17 - 10:21)
but we wanted people to know that along with...

[Speaker 1] (10:22 - 10:27)
with the drink that we also sold cigars.

[Speaker 1] (10:30 - 10:34)
Just in order to afford people an opportunity to know the product that was being sold,

[Speaker 1] (10:34 - 10:36)
it's more than just liquor.

[Speaker 1] (10:36 - 10:38)
I suspect anyone who goes there knows that,

[Speaker 1] (10:38 - 10:42)
but we thought that it was done in the most tasteful way we could.

[Speaker 1] (10:43 - 10:46)
I'm not sure that there's any prohibition on doing that.

[Speaker 1] (10:46 - 10:51)
I've seen these signs for tobacco all over the place.

[Speaker 1] (10:51 - 10:53)
We're not selling just tobacco,

[Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:56)
we're just selling cigars that would be...

[Speaker 1] (10:57 - 11:05)
I guess, I don't smoke cigarettes, but I guess those that do in these rooms when they have their brandy or whatever,

[Speaker 1] (11:05 - 11:06)
it's not uncommon.

[Speaker 1] (11:06 - 11:07)
So that was the thinking behind it.

[Speaker 1] (11:07 - 11:12)
I don't know if Angela has any further thoughts that she wanted to add to that.

[Speaker 1] (11:13 - 11:14)
And Sarah,

[Speaker 1] (11:14 - 11:14)
who's also,

[Speaker 1] (11:14 - 11:16)
if she can be allowed,

[Speaker 1] (11:16 - 11:20)
I'm not sure, Angela, are you muted or can you answer that question?

[Speaker 2] (11:20 - 11:22)
I'm here. I raised my hand.

[Speaker 2] (11:22 - 11:22)
Not sure

[Speaker 1] (11:22 - 11:22)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (11:22 - 11:23)
if you We can hear me.

[Speaker 3] (11:23 - 11:23)
can hear you.

[Speaker 2] (11:24 - 11:25)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (11:25 - 11:36)
so the reason why we chose that is because bourbons and scotches and a lot of the liquors are mostly enjoyed with a cigar.

[Speaker 2] (11:36 - 11:37)
So it's something,

[Speaker 2] (11:38 - 11:40)
as Ken said,

[Speaker 2] (11:40 - 11:43)
we do carry it and it's just, it's showing,

[Speaker 2] (11:44 - 11:49)
these four banners are mostly showing the enjoyment of how people enjoy.

[Speaker 2] (11:50 - 12:08)
the alcohol you know it's a celebration it's a poor we're trying to capture the celebration of how they drink their alcohol and what happens when they do so that was kind of the background of why we came to that because it's one of we've been in the cigar business for

[Speaker 2] (12:09 - 12:10)
Over 25,

[Speaker 2] (12:10 - 12:11)
30 years,

[Speaker 2] (12:11 - 12:15)
you know, it's one of our mainstays that we have at the store.

[Speaker 2] (12:15 - 12:18)
It's not a minor product that we carry.

[Speaker 2] (12:19 - 12:25)
It's something that really accentuates what we already sell with alcohol. It complements a lot of it.

[Speaker 4] (12:26 - 12:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (12:28 - 12:31)
And then I'm looking at the old signage that used to be there,

[Speaker 4] (12:31 - 12:35)
and I do see that it says cigars, so thank you for pointing that out, Ken.

[Speaker 5] (12:37 - 12:43)
If there is any law there, state law that requires some type of notice or disclaimer,

[Speaker 5] (12:43 - 12:45)
we don't have jurisdiction over that. That would continue.

[Speaker 5] (12:45 - 12:49)
So if they have some obligation to have a warning or anything,

[Speaker 5] (12:49 - 12:51)
that's outside of our jurisdiction.

[Speaker 4] (12:51 - 12:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (12:52 - 12:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (12:53 - 12:55)
Okay, those are my only comments. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (12:57 - 12:58)
Whose comments were they?

[Speaker 1] (12:58 - 12:59)
From my screen,

[Speaker 1] (12:59 - 13:01)
I can't tell who the speaker is.

[Speaker 4] (13:01 - 13:02)
Michelle Graham.

[Speaker 1] (13:03 - 13:04)
Okay, thank you, Michelle.

[Speaker 5] (13:08 - 13:10)
Is there any public comment on

[Speaker 4] (13:10 - 13:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (13:10 - 13:10)
it?

[Speaker 4] (13:10 - 13:13)
is anybody here to speak on this petition?

[Speaker 4] (13:15 - 13:17)
And anyone online you can use the raise your hand function.

[Speaker 4] (13:21 - 13:32)
Seeing none, I think this is a great improvement. I appreciate you making the effort to really go with a more design

[Speaker 4] (13:33 - 13:39)
as opposed to all the text um it definitely is a is a big improvement. And um yeah

[Speaker 1] (13:39 - 13:39)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (13:39 - 13:39)
it reads

[Speaker 1] (13:39 - 13:39)
you.

[Speaker 4] (13:39 - 13:48)
less like a billboard and more like it's a decor it's decor and it's part of the design of the building. Um alright does anybody want to make a motion

[Speaker 5] (13:48 - 13:51)
I'll I'll make a motion and if Minnocan'll help me with the decision.

[Speaker 1] (13:52 - 13:55)
You will. You know, right now I'm in Arizona and

[Speaker 5] (13:55 - 13:56)
Well, when you get back, no pressure.

[Speaker 1] (13:56 - 14:01)
I will do that. I will do that. As a matter of fact, maybe I'll even leave early so I can get this decision.

[Speaker 5] (14:01 - 14:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (14:03 - 14:03)
Take your

[Speaker 1] (14:03 - 14:04)
But

[Speaker 5] (14:04 - 14:04)
time, sir.

[Speaker 1] (14:04 - 14:10)
thank you very much. And, you know, I was so concerned that I wasn't going to be able to get on.

[Speaker 1] (14:10 - 14:11)
That's why I always appear at the meetings.

[Speaker 1] (14:12 - 14:16)
But it's working very well, and I just want to thank all those that assisted in the process,

[Speaker 1] (14:17 - 14:24)
especially Krista, because I spoke with her this morning, and she assured me that I could get through, and sure enough, I was able to do that.

[Speaker 1] (14:25 - 14:26)
So thank you again.

[Speaker 5] (14:27 - 14:29)
Sure. So I'm going to make a motion of petition 25-12.

[Speaker 5] (14:31 - 14:42)
for a sign special permit for the addition of the four banner signs on the commercial building at 371 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 5] (14:43 - 14:43)
um

[Speaker 1] (14:45 - 14:47)
The relief that we're seeking is the number of signs,

[Speaker 1] (14:48 - 14:49)
the distance between the signs,

[Speaker 1] (14:50 - 14:51)
and the size of the signs.

[Speaker 5] (14:51 - 14:58)
So relief for all of those items and to approve the signs as shown on

[Speaker 5] (14:59 - 15:03)
The filing that was submitted,

[Speaker 5] (15:03 - 15:06)
I'm looking just for some reference on,

[Speaker 1] (15:06 - 15:08)
I think there's a date September,

[Speaker 5] (15:08 - 15:08)
that

[Speaker 1] (15:08 - 15:10)
was it the 9th? I'm not sure that I'm

[Speaker 5] (15:10 - 15:10)
date,

[Speaker 1] (15:10 - 15:11)
doing this,

[Speaker 5] (15:11 - 15:13)
that's yeah, September 925,

[Speaker 1] (15:13 - 15:13)
yes,

[Speaker 5] (15:13 - 15:17)
I see that, so we can attach that,

[Speaker 5] (15:17 - 15:17)
Ken,

[Speaker 5] (15:17 - 15:18)
to the decision.

[Speaker 5] (15:20 - 15:22)
It's one, two,

[Speaker 5] (15:22 - 15:22)
three,

[Speaker 5] (15:23 - 15:23)
four,

[Speaker 5] (15:23 - 15:24)
five pages.

[Speaker 1] (15:24 - 15:25)
five pages,

[Speaker 1] (15:26 - 15:26)
correct.

[Speaker 5] (15:26 - 15:28)
I think that's all I really need.

[Speaker 4] (15:28 - 15:29)
All right, do we have a second?

[Speaker 6] (15:30 - 15:30)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (15:30 - 15:31)
All in favor?

[Speaker 5] (15:31 - 15:32)
I.

[Speaker 2] (15:32 - 15:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (15:32 - 15:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (15:32 - 15:33)
I.

[Speaker 1] (15:33 - 15:36)
Who made the second, just so I can take note of that?

[Speaker 5] (15:36 - 15:37)
Uh Tony Sanchez.

[Speaker 1] (15:38 - 15:38)
Tony. Okay,

[Speaker 1] (15:38 - 15:39)
thank you Tony.

[Speaker 1] (15:40 - 15:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (15:41 - 15:42)
All right, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (15:43 - 15:46)
So the vote is five to nothing?

[Speaker 1] (15:46 - 15:46)
Is

[Speaker 4] (15:46 - 15:47)
Yep, unanimous? zero.

[Speaker 1] (15:47 - 15:47)
unanimous?

[Speaker 2] (15:48 - 15:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (15:48 - 15:48)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (15:48 - 15:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (15:48 - 15:48)
great.

[Speaker 5] (15:50 - 15:50)
Okay, thank

[Speaker 1] (15:50 - 15:50)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (15:50 - 15:50)
you very you much.

[Speaker 1] (15:50 - 15:51)
all once again.

[Speaker 4] (15:51 - 15:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (15:52 - 15:53)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (15:55 - 16:05)
Great, so we are going to move on to petition twenty five sixteen, which is twenty five Farragut Road and I believe we have um all the Jacob architects to um give their presentation.

[Speaker 7] (16:39 - 16:58)
Hello everybody, I'm Walter Jacob, um 89 Front Street Marblehead. I'm the architect for twenty five Farragut Road. Um my clients uh Laura Capas and Brian Duholm are here with us. And I'm gonna present um with the boards here, and I guess I'll will coordinate what goes up on the screen.

[Speaker 7] (17:03 - 17:06)
today a um a narrative to help explain

[Speaker 7] (17:06 - 17:33)
Um what we're asking for here, the confusing thing or possibly possibly is that we've asked for both a variance with an alternate for a special permit. And in general terms, the reason for that is we have an existing house that's very close to the side yard setback. It's closer than the twenty percent that's allowed by special permit. And we'd like to extend that house back five point five feet to enlarge a kitchen.

[Speaker 7] (17:33 - 17:51)
And the issue is, is that the property line doesn't align with the house. So as we move back 5.5 feet, we go from 3.1 feet from the setback to 2.8, which increases the request for relief.

[Speaker 7] (17:53 - 18:02)
And I'll show you that in our survey and our drawings. The alternate solution, in your by-law, you will you allow exemption from

[Speaker 7] (18:03 - 18:27)
the relief being called a variance if the encroachment gets no greater so if we were to move the proposed kitchen in five inches to the rear of the house we would then be under a special permit but what I'd like to show you in our drawings is that you know we're already in that area to bump in five inches is you know somewhat of a hardship because we're in the middle of a kitchen and it would

[Speaker 7] (18:27 - 18:44)
And with the cabinets would end up being five inches shorter along the length of the house. So that's the reason we came in with this proposal on paper at first because of the side yard being at the different angle than the house. It becomes a variance according to your bylaw.

[Speaker 7] (18:44 - 18:54)
There's a slight adjustment we could make to make it a special permit, but with that said I'd like to start to go through the drawings. This project has been through the historic board and they approved it.

[Speaker 7] (18:54 - 19:01)
a w um I'd like to bring up a first the um photograph so I'll put them here so that we can coordinate what goes on the screen.

[Speaker 7] (19:10 - 19:12)
So we have a locust map. Can everyone hear me without the microphone?

[Speaker 7] (19:14 - 19:29)
We have a locus map. Here's 25 Farragut Road. We have two neighbours on each side that in the area, the addition is to the rear of the house. We talked to both of those neighbours about what we're doing. They seemed to not have an issue with it, or they were very supportive.

[Speaker 7] (19:30 - 19:35)
The photographs that you'll see will show the house in different angles. Um

[Speaker 5] (19:36 - 19:45)
If anybody wants me to bring this closer, if you can't see it in the back, if I can explain things. But to the rear of the house, which is a very historic house, there are some small additions that

[Speaker 5] (19:46 - 19:54)
don't really stand up to the historic character, were not built very well. And our proposal is to remove or renovate those additions and put a one-story

[Speaker 1] (20:01 - 20:02)
Oh, hold on just one second.

[Speaker 2] (20:06 - 20:07)
It's okay.

[Speaker 2] (20:08 - 20:10)
Here we go. So

[Speaker 2] (20:11 - 20:21)
There's a one-story edition which is the one that encroaches on the side yard setback and that's primarily what I'll be discussing. So the next image would be the survey.

[Speaker 1] (20:41 - 20:43)
pin on that one a little bit for people at home.

[Speaker 2] (20:44 - 20:58)
And I have a larger version of it too, so I can zoom in on paper. But in general, here's the survey, here's Farragut Road, here's the house, and then in the lower rear corner is where we have our encroachment. Now I'll bring my larger picture up like I'm zooming in.

[Speaker 2] (21:07 - 21:10)
So this is a zoomed in version of the rear of the house.

[Speaker 2] (21:12 - 21:34)
This line here represents the seven and a half foot side yard setback requirement. What we want to do, there's a kitchen here and it's small, so we want to make it larger. We want to extrude back five point two five feet. But what happens is by doing that, because these angles don't line up, instead of being three point one feet from the side yard setback,

[Speaker 2] (21:34 - 21:38)
we end up being two point eight feet from the side yard setback.

[Speaker 2] (21:39 - 21:45)
If we were to bump this in five inches, both of these numbers, three point one and the two point eight would become three point one,

[Speaker 2] (21:46 - 22:02)
and under the by-law if the if you make an addition that doesn't come any closer, we believe that is a special permit, and I can read that portion if you would like, but that's how we interpret thing. So what we'd like to do is first ask for a variance to increase

[Speaker 2] (22:03 - 22:20)
extrude back 5.25 feet and build the kitchen and the addition like we'd like it, or if that's not acceptable, if we haven't shown a hardship or that it's not detrimental, ask for a special permit. We know that we have to ask for m either one of those to do this.

[Speaker 1] (22:20 - 22:32)
So just real quick, um with the Balalta case, which is the one that allows that continuing of the non-conformity, um the there is a way to there are kind of

[Speaker 1] (22:32 - 22:48)
two pathways. One is that you are going to continue, like you said, you're not going to get any further, you're going to do that five inch jog, and you're going to stay, and then that can be done with just a finding because that is not um creating a new non-conformity.

[Speaker 2] (22:48 - 22:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (22:48 - 22:51)
If you continue to encroach, and come closer, you are

[Speaker 1] (22:52 - 23:01)
you are extending that non-conformity. And then our board would have to make a decision as to whether or not that non-conformity was more detrimental um

[Speaker 3] (23:01 - 23:02)
Substantially.

[Speaker 1] (23:02 - 23:18)
was substantially more detrimental than the current pre-existing non-conformity. So both of those are done can be done through um through the special permit or even just with a finding on the first one. Now what I would say is um

[Speaker 1] (23:19 - 23:34)
In this situation, the variance the variance path isn't there for you because you need to have a s very specific um criteria for um a topographical um hardship, which you don't have. But

[Speaker 1] (23:36 - 23:41)
there is an opportunity for either one of these to go through through the without needing a variance.

[Speaker 1] (23:41 - 23:59)
So I just want to explain that now, if that makes sense, and if you have any questions about that. It's basically whether or not the um the furthering the encroachment creates a substantially um more detriment is is substantially more detrimental than the current non-conformity.

[Speaker 4] (23:59 - 24:00)
To the to the neighbourhood.

[Speaker 1] (24:00 - 24:01)
To the neighbourhood.

[Speaker 4] (24:02 - 24:07)
So I would argue that without bumping in five in, it's only a five inch difference over all.

[Speaker 4] (24:07 - 24:28)
on the property line where the house already exists and in that current location there's actually an awning that sticks out in the area that we want to build the one story edition, you'll see that in the photographs. So ideally we would like to extrude straight back like the proposal that we have in front of you um and the

[Speaker 4] (24:30 - 24:34)
set-backs the set-back would be two point eight.

[Speaker 4] (24:34 - 24:43)
In this lower corner, I also have other drawings that show the elevations of the house, um three dimensionals and the plans if you'd like to see

[Speaker 1] (24:43 - 24:48)
Yeah, any no, that would be great. We uh we all have them in our packet, but if anybody's here from the public to see them, that would be great.

[Speaker 2] (25:06 - 25:09)
So this drawing A_ point two

[Speaker 2] (25:10 - 25:28)
shows the basement level and the first level. The basement isn't changing. The first level, you'll see our existing drawing where we have our kitchen back here. And in the proposed drawing, it's five and a half feet longer. And you can see that the existing kitchen is in that area.

[Speaker 2] (25:29 - 25:32)
We looked at options, can we put the kitchen over here, but

[Speaker 4] (25:32 - 25:58)
You know it doesn't make sense, there's an existing kitchen already there, to move it to the other side of the house would where it's not in the setback would um cause us to relocate all the plumbing and the kitchen and also wouldn't work with the um circulation. There are porch here, so that makes sense, there's the mudroom there. So the location of the kitchen makes a lot of sense, and that's why we put it there. Um there is a two story addition here, but that's not in any of the side yard setbacks.

[Speaker 4] (26:06 - 26:24)
the elevations and you'll see the front elevation which essentially doesn't change. The work is in the rear and you'll see the rear elevation. And I think if you look at the photographs what we're proposing you know works a lot better architecturally than and historically than what is there.

[Speaker 4] (26:27 - 26:30)
And we have a couple of three-dimensional drawings.

[Speaker 4] (26:40 - 26:41)
That show

[Speaker 4] (26:42 - 27:04)
from the front of bird's eye view, one of the things we're doing which isn't in the side yard setback is continuing the porch around to reach the rear so that it functions well and we think historically it looks nicer to the rear of the house. This is where our two-story addition is. This is the area where we're talking about this one-story addition. So this small area back here. That kind of hopefully sums it up in a nutshell and

[Speaker 2] (27:06 - 27:08)
I realise I ignored everybody out here, but is anybody

[Speaker 2] (27:09 - 27:10)
wanna see anything?

[Speaker 2] (27:12 - 27:15)
And do it's anybody have questions or is there anything I can explain more?

[Speaker 1] (27:16 - 27:17)
Does anybody on the board have questions?

[Speaker 4] (27:19 - 27:19)
They do not.

[Speaker 1] (27:20 - 27:28)
No. Now is anybody here um any abutters here to speak on this or anyone to speak on this petition? And if you're online please use the raise your hand function.

[Speaker 1] (27:34 - 27:37)
And you've spoken with the abutters on that side of the property.

[Speaker 4] (27:37 - 27:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (27:39 - 27:47)
Um so I d I definitely think with the Ballalta case, the finding the finding would be that it is

[Speaker 1] (27:48 - 28:06)
If we if you don't can do the five inch setback that you are more non-conforming than the current structure you are getting closer. So then we have a second sort of evaluation to make and is that s um substantially more detrimental to the neighbourhood than the existing non-conformity. Um

[Speaker 1] (28:07 - 28:11)
I think in this case where this is in the back of the house, this is not

[Speaker 4] (28:11 - 28:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (28:11 - 28:12)
something that you're seeing from the front.

[Speaker 1] (28:13 - 28:17)
um the a butter is not concerned with

[Speaker 1] (28:18 - 28:29)
with the encroachment um and has are there any that trees or anything that you have to take down to to to be those in that area

[Speaker 4] (28:30 - 28:40)
No, actually I think you know what we're putting there is probably an improvement of what's over there right now. It's a storage area and not so well done additions and an awning.

[Speaker 5] (28:41 - 28:46)
Would we keep trash cans back there so we'll not be keeping our trash cans

[Speaker 5] (28:46 - 28:47)
We actually have a table. I think it's more.

[Speaker 4] (28:48 - 28:50)
They'll be moved to a more central location on the

[Speaker 5] (28:50 - 28:50)
property Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (28:50 - 28:51)
in the storage area.

[Speaker 1] (28:54 - 29:00)
So, I mean I c I think it I mean I can argue that it is not substantially more detrimental to the neighbourhood um

[Speaker 1] (29:01 - 29:03)
I'm not sure how the rest of the board feels.

[Speaker 5] (29:03 - 29:03)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (29:03 - 29:03)
Are you ready?

[Speaker 5] (29:03 - 29:04)
I don't think it's good.

[Speaker 6] (29:04 - 29:10)
I I think it's it's a relatively minor and I'm ju you know, it's so ironic that if it were conforming,

[Speaker 1] (29:11 - 29:11)
You couldn't do it.

[Speaker 6] (29:11 - 29:12)
you couldn't do it.

[Speaker 1] (29:12 - 29:13)
There'd be no way, there'd be no

[Speaker 6] (29:13 - 29:14)
I couldn't

[Speaker 1] (29:14 - 29:14)
if

[Speaker 6] (29:14 - 29:14)
do it.

[Speaker 1] (29:14 - 29:17)
if the house was conforming, there'd be no pathway forward, which is crazy.

[Speaker 6] (29:17 - 29:19)
Well, it'd be a variance that uh

[Speaker 1] (29:19 - 29:19)
that

[Speaker 6] (29:19 - 29:19)
extraordinary

[Speaker 1] (29:19 - 29:20)
you don't that you don't

[Speaker 5] (29:20 - 29:20)
I guess.

[Speaker 1] (29:20 - 29:29)
o that you yeah, that you d wouldn't qualify for. So it's a very strange this is state law that we've kind of newly uh not newly, I guess we've been doing it for a while now, but

[Speaker 5] (29:29 - 29:29)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (29:29 - 29:29)
kind

[Speaker 5] (29:29 - 29:29)
like

[Speaker 1] (29:29 - 29:29)
of yeah.

[Speaker 5] (29:29 - 29:29)
two.

[Speaker 1] (29:30 - 29:44)
yeah, been been affecting our um hearings and it seems to come up pretty much constantly, because we're in a a town with a lot of non-conforming structures already that are already in the setbacks. So you strangely get more um

[Speaker 7] (29:45 - 29:45)
Lee-way.

[Speaker 1] (29:45 - 29:50)
more leeway yeah when you're already non-conforming. So um I'm

[Speaker 1] (29:52 - 29:55)
to say this is not sub substantially more detrimental if anybody.

[Speaker 2] (29:57 - 29:58)
I agree with that.

[Speaker 1] (29:58 - 30:04)
Alright. So in this case, is it a finding that it's not or is

[Speaker 3] (30:04 - 30:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (30:04 - 30:04)
it

[Speaker 3] (30:04 - 30:04)
do a you want special me to make

[Speaker 1] (30:04 - 30:04)
permit?

[Speaker 3] (30:04 - 30:05)
a motion?

[Speaker 1] (30:05 - 30:07)
Yeah, I think you make a motion for it.

[Speaker 3] (30:07 - 30:07)
That would

[Speaker 1] (30:07 - 30:09)
And I don't mind writing it if if you

[Speaker 3] (30:09 - 30:09)
That would

[Speaker 1] (30:09 - 30:09)
need me to.

[Speaker 3] (30:09 - 30:10)
be great.

[Speaker 4] (30:11 - 30:29)
Okay, so on petition twenty five sixteen, twenty five Farragut Road, I will make a motion to approve the petition and a finding under the Balalta case that

[Speaker 4] (30:31 - 30:36)
the pre-existing non-conforming structure, the modification thereto

[Speaker 4] (30:37 - 30:57)
To increase that the the the addition will increase the non-conforming nature of the structure by extending further into the side yard setback and that such change extension or alteration is not substantially more detrimental than the existing non-conforming use to the neighborhood

[Speaker 4] (30:58 - 31:01)
and to approve the work as proposed

[Speaker 4] (31:02 - 31:12)
Allowing it to extend as shown on the plan submitted by Walter Jacob Architects,

[Speaker 4] (31:15 - 31:18)
August 22-25.

[Speaker 1] (31:21 - 31:22)
Do we have a second?

[Speaker 5] (31:23 - 31:23)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (31:24 - 31:25)
All in favor?

[Speaker 4] (31:25 - 31:26)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (31:26 - 31:26)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (31:26 - 31:26)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (31:29 - 31:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (31:30 - 31:30)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (31:30 - 31:32)
Welcome, good luck with your project.

[Speaker 7] (31:32 - 31:34)
Thank you very much. Let me know if you need anything.

[Speaker 1] (31:39 - 31:40)
Thank you for that. I didn't um

[Speaker 4] (31:40 - 31:40)
Yeah, no problem.

[Speaker 1] (31:40 - 31:41)
I hadn't um

[Speaker 1] (31:55 - 31:56)
Alright. We don't want to sit alone.

[Speaker 4] (31:56 - 31:57)
Two quick ones.

[Speaker 1] (31:58 - 31:58)
I know.

[Speaker 1] (32:00 - 32:10)
Alright. So we are now going to open the public hearing for petition um number twenty five fifteen which is the 40B project at Pine Street which is also known as Veterans Crossing.

[Speaker 1] (32:11 - 32:24)
Um I am going to first ask the petitioner to give their presentation. Um I'm going to let the board ask questions and um then we are going to open it up to public comment. So there will be an opportunity for people here to ask questions.

[Speaker 1] (32:24 - 32:53)
Um we just ask that you hold those questions until we open it for public comment please. Um I just want everyone here to understand that there that no decisions are being made today. The zo the ZBA has a hundred and eighty days to make a final decision on this project. We have retained the services of a professional consultant who'll be here to help us through the process. They are not here today, but they're gonna watch this meeting and review the material submitted and they will help guide us through the proj through the process. Um

[Speaker 1] (32:53 - 33:19)
And he will also be m making some recommendations I'm sure throughout the process. So even if after today you don't hear, okay these are these are the um more information that we need, we're gonna probably consult with him and then he'll reach out to you and let you know what what information that is. Um so um let's see. So that's it, we're gonna let you start and then I just want everyone to know we will have an opportunity for questions. We're just gonna do that after the presentation.

[Speaker 1] (33:20 - 33:21)
Alright.

[Speaker 4] (33:22 - 33:22)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 1] (33:22 - 33:22)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (33:22 - 33:23)
Can anyone

[Speaker 1] (33:23 - 33:23)
I can hear you.

[Speaker 4] (33:23 - 33:29)
great. Uh good evening um for the record my name's John Smolak with the firm of uh Smolak and Vaughan based in North Andover.

[Speaker 4] (33:30 - 33:46)
Uh attorney for the applicant BVH uh Community Development LLC. Uh what I'd like to do first is introduce you to members of the project team, many of whom you'll uh hear from this evening. First we have Holly Grace and Yaira Vergut uh senior project managers with Nine Brick Housing.

[Speaker 4] (33:46 - 33:55)
Also Jacob Lemieux with Hancock Associates, our Project Engineer, and Chris Kerland of the architectural team, our Project Architect.

[Speaker 4] (33:56 - 34:00)
There are a lot of other members of our team that you see on the slide.

[Speaker 4] (34:01 - 34:13)
All I'll mention is that obviously not all of them are here this evening, but we also have on the team Vanass and Associates, our traffic engineering consultant.

[Speaker 4] (34:13 - 34:38)
as well as uh Emanuel uh uh Emanuel uh associates uh our project landscape architect. So this evening what we plan to do is provide just a general overview of uh the proposed project, which as you know is a forty one unit uh age-restricted housing uh project called Veterans Crossing, uh which will also include a veteran's preference.

[Speaker 4] (34:39 - 34:55)
And located within the single building along with other parking, landscaping and other improvements at the property now known and numbered as 20 Pine Street. As you may be aware, the process with the town began for Bane Breath over two years ago.

[Speaker 4] (34:56 - 35:01)
The town's RFP being issued for the property with multiple reviews.

[Speaker 4] (35:01 - 35:30)
that had occurred since that time, uh actually before the our application was filed with the board, but recognising that this project is brand new to this board, uh what we plan to do is is cover for our agenda as you see on the on the presentation slide is we first will uh introduce you to uh the applicant and its sponsor, B'nai B'rith Housing. Uh you learn a little bit more about them. Then we'll proceed with a general uh

[Speaker 4] (35:30 - 35:34)
Overview of veterans crossing and the process undertaken uh to date,

[Speaker 4] (35:35 - 35:48)
that'll be followed by a description of site layout, engineering and stone water matters, and then follow that with architectural design and elevations and views that uh will be presented. And then we'll conclude with a discussion of community benefits.

[Speaker 4] (35:49 - 35:53)
and uh next steps uh for the uh project.

[Speaker 4] (35:54 - 36:02)
Uh before we uh begin our presentation I did wanna mention a little bit in terms of our application that we filed with the board, we feel we've uh filed a complete application

[Speaker 4] (36:03 - 36:16)
under the uh comprehensive permit regulations at the state level, seven sixty C_M_R_ fifty six. And in terms of what we've submitted uh uh the materials in your the materials that you have includes a project eligibility letter.

[Speaker 4] (36:16 - 36:37)
letter that was issued back on July 16th of this year by the executive office of housing livable communities or HLC and that project eligibility letter confirms that the project's eligible for a subsidy under the low-income housing tax credit program the letter also confirms that based on

[Speaker 4] (36:37 - 36:55)
uh HLC's review of the site and the related information that was filed as part of our project eligibility letter application that the site's appropriate location for multi-family housing, the project is uh designed as appropriate for the site and uh the project's financially feasible for the subsidy that's uh being uh requested.

[Speaker 4] (36:56 - 37:04)
And lastly that the applicant controls the site by virtue of an option and land development agreement that had been entered into by the town and the applicant. And so

[Speaker 4] (37:04 - 37:24)
Uh we've also included other materials as part of the comprehensive permit application that are required by the regulations, which include the preliminary development plans, uh the civil and landscaping plans, the architectural plans, report of existing conditions, and uh other materials that uh you see in in your uh application.

[Speaker 4] (37:25 - 37:32)
Um in addition uh to the project eligibility letter, there is a set of waivers that have been requested from uh local requirements. Uh it

[Speaker 4] (37:33 - 37:38)
In addition, we've included a traffic report and a stormwater management report as well to round out that application.

[Speaker 4] (37:39 - 37:48)
And so with that said, we'd like to begin our presentation, unless the chair wants anything further to add. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (37:48 - 37:49)
No, thanks.

[Speaker 4] (37:49 - 37:53)
Thank you. And at this point, we'd like to turn the discussion over to Holly Grace for Knight Brickhausen.

[Speaker 1] (38:03 - 38:04)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 8] (38:04 - 38:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (38:04 - 38:05)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (38:06 - 38:08)
For the record, my name is Holly Grace.

[Speaker 1] (38:08 - 38:11)
I work as a Senior Project Manager for Benebrith Housing.

[Speaker 1] (38:12 - 38:19)
So I want to introduce Benebrith Housing for anyone that's not familiar with what we do.

[Speaker 1] (38:19 - 38:23)
We are the project sponsor of this development and

[Speaker 1] (38:24 - 38:29)
BBH, as we call ourselves for short, is a non-profit organization.

[Speaker 1] (38:29 - 38:42)
We have a very active board and our mission is to, just on the slide but some of it, to help ease the housing crisis and we work in the Boston area to do that.

[Speaker 1] (38:43 - 38:45)
We have a

[Speaker 1] (38:45 - 38:56)
portfolio with many senior housing units and we work with service providers in the area to help serve the needs of our residents who live in our properties.

[Speaker 1] (38:56 - 39:06)
We also like to work in partnership with towns and cities to help achieve the housing goals that are set out by the local communities including this one here.

[Speaker 1] (39:08 - 39:14)
We are located in Boston and the surrounding areas and all of our properties are

[Speaker 1] (39:15 - 39:16)
in the Boston area.

[Speaker 1] (39:17 - 39:19)
Next slide please.

[Speaker 1] (39:20 - 39:40)
So for our senior properties and I guess all of our rental properties, we use a service enriched housing model and this basically helps serve the needs of tenants living in our properties, which are generally all affordable. Um and

[Speaker 1] (39:41 - 39:44)
Within the apartment communities there are staff people who work

[Speaker 1] (39:58 - 40:00)
Um the resident service coordinator

[Speaker 1] (40:00 - 40:02)
helps plan and

[Speaker 1] (40:03 - 40:08)
program a schedule of social wellness and community building activities.

[Speaker 1] (40:09 - 40:12)
Some of the photos are in our presentation of those things.

[Speaker 1] (40:13 - 40:14)
In addition,

[Speaker 1] (40:14 - 40:20)
like during COVID we had some food provisions and different things like that,

[Speaker 1] (40:20 - 40:23)
but there's also quieter activities at the resident service.

[Speaker 1] (40:24 - 40:34)
coordinators do in meeting with the residents and working with them one-on-one to help link them as needed with services or extra help as they age or encounter health difficulties.

[Speaker 1] (40:35 - 40:44)
So the resident service coordinator would link to home care agencies, help apply for certain benefits they might be eligible for,

[Speaker 1] (40:44 - 40:46)
help work on transportation challenges.

[Speaker 1] (40:46 - 40:50)
So what we build is not assisted living.

[Speaker 1] (40:50 - 40:58)
to make that clear. Um it's independent living for these seniors, but there is this layer of help that's available if they need it.

[Speaker 1] (40:59 - 41:06)
Um also on site with the resident service coordinator is professional property management that works in the building.

[Speaker 1] (41:06 - 41:08)
Next slide, please.

[Speaker 1] (41:10 - 41:12)
Oh wait, there's one more.

[Speaker 1] (41:13 - 41:14)
Oh, we didn't do that one?

[Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:16)
Oh, there it is.

[Speaker 1] (41:17 - 41:45)
Oh okay. Um so anyway, this is demonstrating that we have professional management and here in Spomscot we have many wait, did I cut that out of order? Oh, I did it out of order, sorry. Um we have resident services proposed to work with Soldier On, who's an organisation that works very closely with veterans and whose mission is to try to eliminate veteran homelessness.

[Speaker 1] (41:46 - 41:50)
and more on Michon, which I went out of order. Sorry, Yara.

[Speaker 1] (41:51 - 42:03)
So here in Swampscott, we, one of our properties in our portfolio is the Michon. And we were before this board permitting it in 2017.

[Speaker 1] (42:05 - 42:30)
familiar names and faces so thank you very much for that the development was completed in 2021 constructed during a pandemic it's fully occupied and 38 units senior has the resident service model in action here in Swampscott like these photos some of them show it is literally won awards from affordable housing organizations we are very proud of it and

[Speaker 1] (42:33 - 42:34)
I hope the town is too.

[Speaker 1] (42:34 - 42:47)
It was done in partnership with the town and somewhat through this process with veterans cost crossing was a model of how we've arrived where we are today with this.

[Speaker 1] (42:49 - 42:58)
So this slide on the screen shows a lot of dates which I'm not going to talk about in depth but they're there should you want to look at them.

[Speaker 1] (43:00 - 43:28)
So we've been working on veterans crossing with town officials since 2023 when the RFP was issued and throughout these years the I guess vision for veterans crossing and thoughts from town leadership have evolved and there have been staff changes and leadership changes in the town and I guess key things to know is that the select board

[Speaker 1] (43:29 - 43:37)
And BBH have a LDA, a land disposition agreement,

[Speaker 1] (43:37 - 43:41)
which is basically like a purchase and sale agreement for this development.

[Speaker 1] (43:41 - 43:50)
It has certain binding terms and reviews that the select board has to go through for our plans to help us get to certain milestones,

[Speaker 1] (43:51 - 43:57)
including this meeting tonight. So we understand that it's the first time your board has...

[Speaker 1] (43:57 - 44:04)
likely seen these plans, but the select board has been has had previews and information along the way.

[Speaker 1] (44:06 - 44:11)
So the structure in the land agreement is a 99-year ground lease,

[Speaker 1] (44:11 - 44:20)
which will begin at construction closing and the town will maintain ownership of the land and we will have the ground lease for it for 99 years.

[Speaker 1] (44:21 - 44:23)
And so during you

[Speaker 1] (44:24 - 44:28)
The evolution of this development during the past two years,

[Speaker 1] (44:28 - 44:38)
there have been certain attributes that you've seen in the plans that have been submitted to you and that we're presenting tonight.

[Speaker 1] (44:39 - 44:40)
Thank you, Yaren.

[Speaker 1] (44:40 - 44:47)
So the key decisions that are in the plan set that you have and that have been reviewed

[Speaker 1] (44:49 - 44:55)
Prior to us being here are that the development is three stories tall, not four.

[Speaker 1] (44:56 - 45:00)
The VFW facility is being relocated off-site.

[Speaker 1] (45:01 - 45:10)
We are maximizing the building setback from Erie Street. We are maximizing on-site parking.

[Speaker 1] (45:10 - 45:14)
We have 35 spaces that currently fit on the site.

[Speaker 1] (45:15 - 45:40)
And we're minimizing the impact of mechanical equipment, which is shown on the roof. There'll be more discussion about that. So these I call attention to these because we may come back to these issues later this evening because what we're accomplishing on this interesting town owned site requires some push and pull of some of the different design variables that we'll be talking about.

[Speaker 1] (45:44 - 45:47)
And so our overall goals for the development,

[Speaker 1] (45:47 - 45:50)
well first of all BBH is a long-term owner.

[Speaker 1] (45:50 - 45:52)
As a non-profit,

[Speaker 1] (45:52 - 45:53)
Boston-based,

[Speaker 1] (45:54 - 45:55)
board involvement,

[Speaker 1] (45:55 - 46:05)
we plan to be owning and operating Veterans Crossing and the Machan for a long time. We love this community and are excited to be here.

[Speaker 1] (46:06 - 46:09)
So that's the perspective we take in these developments.

[Speaker 1] (46:09 - 46:16)
We want to create high quality homes for veterans and seniors and meet the very big need that there is for them.

[Speaker 1] (46:16 - 46:18)
Have a well-constructed building,

[Speaker 1] (46:18 - 46:21)
have a design that blends with the neighborhood,

[Speaker 1] (46:21 - 46:23)
something that we can all be proud of,

[Speaker 1] (46:23 - 46:32)
and to be actively managed. So we want this building to continue to shine and sparkle into the future and we'll work actively to make that happen.

[Speaker 1] (46:35 - 46:36)
Can I turn it over

[Speaker 2] (46:36 - 46:36)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (46:36 - 46:37)
to you, Ian? Okay.

[Speaker 3] (46:38 - 47:06)
Uh good evening, my name uh my name is Yara Varagood. I am a senior project manager with the neighbourhood housing and um we're gonna, I'll be s uh discussing a little bit about uh the development project uh programme, who will be able who will qualify and who will be living in the in these uh in this forty one unit building and then I will uh talk a little bit about the site location and and then pass it on to our design team. So as uh previously mentioned, we this

[Speaker 3] (47:06 - 47:12)
This building has 41 units and they are all 100% affordable units.

[Speaker 3] (47:13 - 47:18)
There is a breakdown in terms of average medium income of these units.

[Speaker 3] (47:18 - 47:27)
We have 23 of those units will be available to households that earn...

[Speaker 3] (47:28 - 47:54)
Uh thirty percent of AMI, and eighteen of the units will be available to households that earn sixty percent of AMI. There is a chart uh below here and it's also further detailed in the in the in the handout that we passed that goes into sort of further d uh in further explanations about income qualifi qualification and restrictions and preferences. Um this is I just wanted to sort of highlight that this

[Speaker 3] (47:54 - 48:06)
this these are the incomes and the sort of projected rents that are that there are current currently today but if they obviously will change in the course of of the project on the on the on the

[Speaker 3] (48:07 - 48:34)
In the handout you have a s a sample of a potential estimated occupation days and the lottery process that will happen. Uh all these so there will be a lottery process for these units and and there is sort of two levels of qualifications. One is a restriction where you know you you have to meet those restrictions, which is the income as I discussed and also you need to be uh s a senior at fifty five and over.

[Speaker 3] (48:35 - 49:02)
responding to the the goal of the the project as the the town set out the RFP original RFP there is a veterans preference that is the first preference of the project so they will get as when the lottery occurs they will get first preference and then there is a local preference as well so that local veteran local veterans have first preference then veterans then local local residents and then others so but again there's a

[Speaker 3] (49:02 - 49:16)
a little further detail uh on that um in the handout um just a little bit about the site before we go into the design of the building um i'm sure you're all familiar where this is located it's uh very um

[Speaker 3] (49:19 - 49:21)
The site is centrally located,

[Speaker 3] (49:22 - 49:23)
fantastic location for seniors,

[Speaker 3] (49:23 - 49:27)
it is in walking distance to the senior center and town hall,

[Speaker 3] (49:27 - 49:29)
which helps connect,

[Speaker 3] (49:29 - 49:37)
helps social connection and something that we know and we've heard is very important for seniors and veterans,

[Speaker 3] (49:37 - 49:39)
the veteran's population as well, and it helps.

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:57)
It is only a half mile from the Michon or other property that Holly was mentioning and this means that our staff can easily support both communities and residents will have the opportunity to share activities and make connections.

[Speaker 1] (49:58 - 50:25)
The this map shows the site in its residential context we can see sort of the property the the property boundaries and nearby pedestrian routes and transit stops the location is less than half a mile from the commuter rail station and right on the bus lines the 441 and 442 bus lines so there is excellent access to public transport

[Speaker 1] (50:25 - 50:26)
transportation.

[Speaker 1] (50:27 - 50:30)
This shows an aerial view of the site as it is currently,

[Speaker 1] (50:30 - 50:31)
sorry

[Speaker 1] (50:34 - 50:35)
I lost my,

[Speaker 1] (50:35 - 50:37)
you guys are seeing this, apologies.

[Speaker 1] (50:37 - 50:42)
This is the site as it currently looks.

[Speaker 1] (50:43 - 50:50)
Exists today, there's a current VFW building along Pine Street and an adjacent vacant lot.

[Speaker 1] (50:50 - 50:55)
The combined project site is .84 acres.

[Speaker 1] (50:55 - 51:08)
So in partnering with this town and making the redevelopment of this underutilized lot possible shows a strong example of the town's commitment to reuse municipal land for community benefit.

[Speaker 1] (51:10 - 51:14)
So this site provides various opportunities.

[Speaker 1] (51:16 - 51:19)
A three storey build, this is sort of a

[Speaker 1] (51:20 - 51:25)
The site provides opportunities as we've discussed for service enriched housing,

[Speaker 1] (51:26 - 51:32)
comfortable residences with accessibility features which will our architect Chris will discuss a little bit further.

[Speaker 1] (51:32 - 51:43)
They are the residences will be a hundred percent visitable so it's not only about the residents but their visitors and friends that will be able to come and access the building.

[Speaker 1] (51:43 - 51:47)
We're improving site access and pedestrian connections and

[Speaker 1] (51:47 - 51:56)
And this property has a goal of meeting strong environmental sustainabilities and climate resilience goals.

[Speaker 1] (51:58 - 52:16)
Um, and just a little bit about those goals. Um, we are meeting the, uh, specialized opting code for, uh, that Swampscott through the passive house, the FIUS core 2024 is passive house. So we are, uh, meeting the sort of the, one of the strictest, um, energy,

[Speaker 1] (52:16 - 52:16)
uh,

[Speaker 1] (52:19 - 52:25)
standards and we also will be meeting enterprise green communities energy star and other related programs.

[Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:30)
Our design is going to be highly it's going to be a high performance building envelope,

[Speaker 1] (52:30 - 52:31)
all electric systems,

[Speaker 1] (52:31 - 52:38)
and water and energy saving fixtures. We will study the capability,

[Speaker 1] (52:39 - 52:44)
we will study the feasibility of PV solar and the capability of the roof.

[Speaker 1] (52:45 - 52:51)
And there will be E_V_ chargers, cheap ten percent E_V_ charging stations and ten percent E_V_ ready parking.

[Speaker 1] (52:52 - 53:00)
Uh it it is a smart location to be redeveloped near transit and uh we have storm water systems to reduce run-off and improve resiliency.

[Speaker 1] (53:01 - 53:05)
And with that, I will pass it on to Jacob Lemieux, our civil engineer.

[Speaker 2] (53:10 - 53:12)
Good evening. Uh can you hear me okay?

[Speaker 1] (53:12 - 53:12)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (53:12 - 53:23)
My name is Jacob Lemieux. I'm with Hancock Associates out of 315 Elm Street. I'm the civil engineer on the project. So I'll be taking you through the existing conditions and the proposed site layout,

[Speaker 2] (53:23 - 53:24)
grading,

[Speaker 2] (53:24 - 53:29)
erosion control and stormwater, as well as traffic and landscaping.

[Speaker 2] (53:30 - 53:31)
Go to the next slide, please.

[Speaker 2] (53:33 - 53:43)
So the existing conditions on site right now, this was originally two separate parcels. We've combined the parcels into one.

[Speaker 2] (53:44 - 53:50)
The parcels primarily covered by parking or concrete foundation.

[Speaker 2] (53:51 - 54:13)
There's the VFW on the western side of the of the parcel with a parking lot and the uh ear the right side of the parcel or the west side of the parcel is covered in a concrete foundation and pavement from the prior building that was on site. Um there's an existing subsurface culvert that runs along the northern property.

[Speaker 2] (54:13 - 54:24)
property line and also cuts through the middle of the site which we will be relocating that part that cuts through the middle of the site in kind as a part of our project working with the town.

[Speaker 2] (54:24 - 54:25)
Next slide.

[Speaker 2] (54:30 - 54:57)
So uh we will be installing a construction fence and straw wattle erosion controls around the entire perimeter of the project. That will ensure that there's minimal runoff into the roadways and uh no silt gets into the public stormwater system. We'll be installing um filter sacks in catch basins prior to construction and we'll have two construction entrances, uh one through the

[Speaker 2] (54:58 - 55:01)
VFW parking lot and one off of Eerie Street.

[Speaker 2] (55:01 - 55:03)
We'll go to the next page.

[Speaker 2] (55:05 - 55:15)
This is an overhead of the site layout. Um as you can see there's a parking area on the on the west and a uh the building's on the east.

[Speaker 2] (55:16 - 55:25)
Um through our approvals are working with the with the uh select board we've modified the building and pushed it

[Speaker 2] (55:26 - 55:53)
Further away from Erie Street, so we're really helping to uh minimise the impact of the structure on that intersection there. Uh we've got our thirty five parking spaces in the parking lot. This is a two-way circulation. Um we have two handicapped spaces, one will be uh van accessible we'll also have three e_v_ ready spaces, one of those will be the van accessible parking lot. I mean the van accessible space.

[Speaker 2] (55:53 - 56:18)
In the upper left-hand corner of the parking lot area there is a dumpster enclosure which will be a wooden slat fence with a gate in it and the dumpsters inside and also a outdoor shelter for smokers or basically anybody waiting out in the rain there that is enclosed on three sides to ensure that none of no smoke will also ever into the abutting properties.

[Speaker 2] (56:20 - 56:20)
We'll go to next slide.

[Speaker 2] (56:24 - 56:39)
The storm water on site will be managed through uh the lines that you see in orange on the plan attached. We've got uh two drain lines that run adjacent to the building on either side, which transfer the roof drain runoff to the y

[Speaker 2] (56:39 - 56:41)
to the relocated culvert section.

[Speaker 2] (56:41 - 57:00)
Uh we have catch basins in the parking lot area which will collect the storm water and direct it to a hydrodynamic separator unit to provide adequate proper treatment and uh which that will outlet back into the existing culvert as it does today. Uh we have two water connections. We have a four inch fire

[Speaker 2] (57:02 - 57:15)
Six-inch four-inch fire connection, a two-inch domestic service, those are in blue uh uh near the right-hand side of the plan. And we've got one eight-inch sewer connection in green uh down the centre of the

[Speaker 2] (57:15 - 57:17)
um structure there.

[Speaker 2] (57:21 - 57:46)
We're proposing a a nice robust uh planting plant to clean up the area and make it more appealing. Uh we've got plantings along Pine and New Ocean Street and um around the building. So it'll really clean up that intersection. You can see a bit of the colour palette for the site down below showing some of those proposed plantings uh so it'll really look nice all throughout the year as it transfers through these different blooms.

[Speaker 2] (57:51 - 58:16)
go to metric plan um where m where minimizing any light spillage into abutting lots. We've got a small amount of light that goes into New Ocean Street, but there street lighting there. So um that's unlikely to have any impact. All lighting will be downward facing and uh dark skies compliant and uh shielded as necessarily to ensure that

[Speaker 2] (58:16 - 58:18)
There is no glare.

[Speaker 2] (58:22 - 58:24)
So these are just some of the site details.

[Speaker 2] (58:24 - 58:27)
At the intersection of 10 New Ocean,

[Speaker 2] (58:27 - 58:31)
we're proposing a flagpole. There's already a flagpole there,

[Speaker 2] (58:31 - 58:34)
so this will be a nice new one to replace that.

[Speaker 2] (58:35 - 58:40)
We've got some screening shown around the generator and the transformer pads.

[Speaker 2] (58:42 - 58:49)
And to the left we've got some photos of what the outdoor smoking shed and the um garbage area will look like.

[Speaker 2] (58:56 - 58:59)
So uh thank you, we'll give it back to Yara to go over traffic and parking.

[Speaker 2] (59:01 - 59:01)
Oh, was it you?

[Speaker 3] (59:01 - 59:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (59:01 - 59:02)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 2] (59:02 - 59:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (59:02 - 59:04)
So I'm Holly Kitzbach.

[Speaker 3] (59:04 - 59:09)
So this slide has a quick summary about traffic and parking,

[Speaker 3] (59:10 - 59:13)
some of the key details on parking,

[Speaker 3] (59:13 - 59:23)
the thing that I guess sticks out the most, the most frustrating for some folks are peak hour and peak hour.

[Speaker 3] (59:24 - 59:33)
In the morning and peak hour in the afternoon. So that a.m. peak hour predicts nine trips with a blend of in and out coming from this development,

[Speaker 3] (59:33 - 59:34)
which

[Speaker 1] (59:57 - 59:58)
And regarding parking,

[Speaker 1] (59:58 - 1:00:00)
this is also,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:00 - 1:00:10)
we have heard many, many times, a sensitive point with the neighbors and the community. We know that this is a high, there's a high level of concern about parking.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:10 - 1:00:13)
So we want to address, I guess,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:13 - 1:00:15)
how we've come at this design and number.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:15 - 1:00:17)
So the proposal,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:17 - 1:00:22)
the plan in front of you includes 35 on-site spaces. We have 41 units.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:23 - 1:00:51)
So this is uh this parking ratio, which is about point eight five, is on par with the car ownership ratio at the machin. Different location, different population at that building. So the number of spaces B_B_H_ feels is more than adequate here at Veterans Crossing. Um we know that the neighbours are concerned. So there are a few things that I just wanna point out.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:52 - 1:00:57)
At the Michon, there is, quite honestly,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:57 - 1:00:59)
higher income bands in that development.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:59 - 1:01:04)
So the people that live there have more money to own cars, pay for cars,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:04 - 1:01:05)
insure cars,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:05 - 1:01:06)
than here at Veterans Crossing,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:07 - 1:01:12)
where we are serving many more units serving very low-income veterans and seniors.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:13 - 1:01:17)
So of those units, we don't expect much car ownership.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:18 - 1:01:26)
In addition, at the Michon, we knew that we had ample parking because also at the Michon, it was a concern of the neighbors there.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:26 - 1:01:32)
And it's also adjacent to the park and very limited on street parking there.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:32 - 1:01:35)
And so the ratio was the ratio.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:36 - 1:01:39)
And it's really...

[Speaker 1] (1:01:40 - 1:01:42)
vastly meeting the need that's over parked there.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:43 - 1:01:50)
In addition, we didn't restrict anything for residents when they moved in, so anyone who had a car came with a car

[Speaker 1] (1:01:51 - 1:02:02)
and keeps a car if perhaps there could be a change in that situation. But we feel very confident with this ratio with 35 parking spaces here at Veterans Crossing,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:03 - 1:02:06)
mostly because we expect car ownership to be

[Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:26)
uh lower here. In addition the I_T_E_ estimates, which is the Institute of Traffic Engineers, for this development is between twenty five and twenty seven spaces. So even assuming that this is residents, we still have extra spaces for

[Speaker 1] (1:02:26 - 1:02:37)
At a maximum there would be three staff members on site at a time. That's thirty. And then five extras for maybe visitors. And this assumes that everyone who has a car is actually home at the same time. So

[Speaker 1] (1:02:38 - 1:02:47)
we're confident that this can work. So I just wanted to talk that through. I don't mean to talk about it too much. So um thank you for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:51 - 1:02:52)
Architecture.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:56 - 1:02:57)
Can everyone hear me?

[Speaker 2] (1:02:58 - 1:03:02)
How you doing? My name is Christopher Carlin. I'm the Project Architect. So I'm with T-A-T.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:03 - 1:03:18)
Um I'm gonna walk you through our project a little bit and you know hopefully uh help answer some questions here. Um so the design inspiration for this was kind of looking at the context. Everything was around us, kind of swamps, got coastal design, kind of making this building feel more residential.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:19 - 1:03:25)
Um as well as understanding how do we address and activate the first level of the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:25 - 1:03:29)
and engage all the visitors and tenants who are in there for their amenity spaces.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:30 - 1:03:31)
So you wanna go to the next slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:32 - 1:03:36)
So just kind of going into the context of the site.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:37 - 1:03:39)
I'm sure everyone's familiar with the neighborhood itself.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:40 - 1:03:41)
There's a lot of gabled roofs,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:41 - 1:03:45)
a lot of porches. There's a lot of gambled roofs,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:46 - 1:03:48)
playing with occupied attic fields,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:49 - 1:03:50)
double hung windows,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:51 - 1:03:53)
very traditional New England coastal style architecture.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:54 - 1:03:55)
The next slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:57 - 1:04:14)
Uh so then you kind of come to our main perspective. This is the entry of our building. Um so kind of taking that traditional feel, we have the base, the middle and the top of the design, right? And so I know this is a three storey building, but to make this building not feel as large we

[Speaker 2] (1:04:14 - 1:04:37)
tried to make it feel more like an occupied attic space. So the third floor is actually tucked in within the gabled and gambled roofs of the of the roof to create this roof well. That roof well actually acts as a screen for all the mechanical equipment that will be sitting on the roof, as well as any penetration supplies to make this feel again less like a commercial building of apartments and more like a residential feel.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:38 - 1:04:48)
It also allows for the neighborhood and context of scale. So you have at the base, we have, you know, traditional lap siding with the banding that comes across with a wraparound porch.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:48 - 1:04:55)
The wraparound porch is a way of creating that entry point off the parking lot as well as wayfinding to know where you come into the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:56 - 1:05:20)
Um the turret is also a way of, that's not the corner, uh again wayfinding aspect. You'll see in the back of that on uh behind the entries a roof deck kinda peeking out this side that is for the tenants to use. Um we use on the second floor and third floor is a shaker style uh collaborated siding uh and again as well as like these uh shed roofs and gabled roofs to kind of conceal everything.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:21 - 1:05:24)
Um she wants to go next slide, go to the floor plan.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:25 - 1:05:48)
So here's the first floor plan um and as you can see uh I will talk about in a minute about how the amenities spaces work, but to kind of anchor yourselves in we have all the residential units themselves in the first floor all towards Erie Street and towards the back of the site. Um we have a few residential units along uh Pine Street itself, but the majority are towards the more residential aspects. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:05:48 - 1:05:52)
And if you want to now go to the next slide I'll talk about the amenity spaces and kind of how that feels.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:53 - 1:05:54)
So as you kind of come in

[Speaker 2] (1:05:55 - 1:06:08)
Uh you're coming in through the entry point, which is that blue in the bottom. You have this open space for the lobby. You'll have your mail uh your mail area, your pat uh mail area across from like a trash area for people to go through their mail etcetera.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:08 - 1:06:21)
The main stair to kind of get up and you have the elevator bank right behind that. Um when you come in, you have the management office directly to your right, so that everyone can see people coming in and going as they come in, as well as to the

[Speaker 2] (1:06:21 - 1:06:26)
uh right of that is a space for uh soldiers on uh to be able to use uh for their use.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:27 - 1:06:28)
The main community space,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:29 - 1:06:33)
active space to be designed still is that giant pink area along the parking lot.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:33 - 1:06:52)
That actually embraces this wraparound porch and allows for the the tenants to kinda come in and out and use and sit in that space with chairs across the front along Pine Street. Um it also allows for that ramp access to kinda get up from the parking lot level to the first floor level because we're in the flood plain zone. So we're going up.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:52 - 1:07:15)
to the first floor itself, and using that ramp and that wrap-around porch to kind of conceal the space. Um trash it will all be coming out to the trash room is um behind uh the package room. Trash is all be barrels coming out all the tendons will drop them off within their barrels themselves and then maintenance will take it out to the back and to the dumpsters themselves. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:07:15 - 1:07:26)
And then we have a fitness space in the back which uh looks at the back uh back of the the side itself which will have trees and fences and a little bit more private not having everyone on display as they're working out.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:27 - 1:07:31)
Um and if you wanna go to the next sorry, if you wanna go to the next slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:33 - 1:07:37)
This shows you our upper floor plans. So the second floor and the third floor are very similar.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:37 - 1:07:47)
Even though again we're hiding things within the attic space, it's really just playing with the eye and how things work, right? And so the second floor, the only difference is you actually have the roof deck that's off of it.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:48 - 1:07:51)
The roof deck is directly across from the building's laundry room.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:52 - 1:07:56)
So that way tenants will be able to hang out in the roof deck while they're doing their laundry,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:56 - 1:08:02)
uh have this in indoor outdoor space. That again towards the back of the site and the parking lot to create a little bit more privacy from the neighborhood.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:04 - 1:08:13)
Um they have the trash rooms as well on each floor right near the elevator for again maintenance to be able to take it out. Um turn to the next slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:14 - 1:08:29)
This kind of shows you how our room hall is working. Now we're still in the very beginning of the design here with the mechanical systems. But we have spoke with our engineers and kind of had them do a very preliminary layout of what would be up here to make sure that we can fit it all and, you know.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:30 - 1:08:51)
how that would all kind of work in there. Um and as you can see, all these gabled roofs and shed roofs actually concealed this this roof well space itself to hide all this equipment. Um because this is commercial and we were electric, there'll be one E_R_V_ unit with uh system. So there'll be one bigger unit that that splits for all the other units that are in there um to be controlled.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:52 - 1:08:55)
If you wanna go to the next slide. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:08:55 - 1:08:57)
This is a typical one-bedroom layout.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:59 - 1:09:02)
All these units, because we're active adults,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:02 - 1:09:04)
senior housing here,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:04 - 1:09:11)
they will all be compliant with kitchens and bathrooms having,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:11 - 1:09:13)
the bathrooms will all have roll-in showers,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:13 - 1:09:17)
and all the kitchens will have wall ovens and cooktop surfaces.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:17 - 1:09:23)
This will allow for any unit to be converted into accessible as needed for aging in place.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:24 - 1:09:29)
we will have the standard amount uh required of accessible units as well. But every unit can be converted

[Speaker 1] (1:09:50 - 1:09:51)
Go to the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:51 - 1:10:13)
So here's our uh elevation along Pine Street, and that's where you'll see the wrap around porch to the left for the entry um to the right you'll see the door over there. That is a s the door for the stair number two. That actually gets you out to grade which is lower than first floor. Um there'll be an internal ramp in that stairwell to allow people to egress out to grade for safety, um.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:14 - 1:10:33)
And if you go to the next slide, this will show you, this is a building section, kind of how this mechanical roof well is working and how we're concealing the equipment that's in there. Again, we're showing arbitrary equipment up there for scale and size to show you that it can fit in kind of what we're dealing with. Um and if you want to go to the next slide, yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:34 - 1:11:02)
Here's a couple perspectives. So the upper perspective kind of shows you what we're envisioning for this roof deck terrace amenity space. So we're going to have this trellis, this trellis element that kind of creates a canopy shading for the people below as well as tying in to that roof banding system around uh that's going around that building. In the back of the site will uh back of that porch will actually be a lattice screening to create privacy from the people on the deck versus the neighbours behind. So that way

[Speaker 1] (1:11:02 - 1:11:02)
way.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:03 - 1:11:05)
They don't need to have that interaction if they don't want to.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:05 - 1:11:07)
But along the parking lot will be a lot more open.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:08 - 1:11:24)
And if you look at the image on the bottom uh right, that's the image from Erie street. Uh we announced as Jacob mentioned earlier, we set that uh the building further off of Erie street so it allows us to have a little strip of grass along the street then your sidewalk and then some grass and then the building.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:26 - 1:11:27)
Um next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:29 - 1:11:57)
Uh here's a couple per here's a perspective. Um don't mind the building in the upper image, that has now been demolished, but Google Earth is not caught up yet. Um but you'll see the upper image is what it was looking like and then the b uh bottom image is what we're proposing it will look like. This is the scale, this is how it will fit within the context of the neighbourhood. Again we were trying to be very sympathetic of understanding that we this is a n residential neighbourhood and we don't want this bohemoth of a building or anything to kind of

[Speaker 1] (1:11:57 - 1:12:20)
dominate any. So we wanted everything to kind of feel like it blended in with its environment. If you go to the next image, next slide, you'll see a perspective down Erie Street. Um and same thing in the upper image is current and the the lower image is our building within Erie Street. As you'll see it's now set back of Erie Street, you have this again that sidewalk with the grass continuing across.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:20 - 1:12:24)
And again the sense of scale and size to the neighbouring buildings is very much on par.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:28 - 1:12:29)
And if you go to the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:30 - 1:12:33)
All right, so here's a perspective from the corner of Erie and Pine Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:34 - 1:12:39)
And again, this is just showing you, I know the street would just, you know, pull out from the houses not being there,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:39 - 1:12:44)
show you what this actually will look like from this perspective and kind of how we're turning around the corner here.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:46 - 1:12:48)
And last slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:49 - 1:12:50)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:50 - 1:12:58)
Uh so here's an aerial of the overall site and the building itself and how it will be sitting within the property and kind of its context within the environment.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:00 - 1:13:02)
And with that I'll I'll turn it back over.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:08 - 1:13:15)
Thank you. So guess a quick recap or highlight of the community benefits.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:15 - 1:13:24)
So first of all, we're responding to the very much needed senior veterans housing to create new affordable housing.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:25 - 1:13:30)
All of these units will count to Swampscott's subsidized housing inventory.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:30 - 1:13:31)
There are 41 units.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:32 - 1:13:40)
We are redeveloping a town owned parcel that I would say is underutilized right now and using a ground lease structure.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:41 - 1:13:49)
It's development is smart growth oriented and sustainability focused and has access to transit.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:50 - 1:13:54)
We pay real estate taxes on this development similar to at the Machon.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:54 - 1:14:05)
So the assessment might be a little lower than a market rate development of a comparable size because our rents are lower but we do pay real estate taxes.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:05 - 1:14:12)
And also this proposal's consistent with Somerville's housing production plan and master plan goals.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:15 - 1:14:18)
And next steps from our point of view as a developer

[Speaker 2] (1:14:19 - 1:14:46)
Um we had a meeting last week with the town's department heads and received some comments there. I think that made it into your package. Um we have a conservation commission application process that we need to go through because of the floodplain, because of the floodplain. Um we also have upcoming funding deadlines, so this development's a hundred percent affordable. It relies on state

[Speaker 2] (1:14:47 - 1:15:13)
and federal funding and and we need to be we need to apply and be allocated it so we have applications coming up to the North Shore Home Consortium and to the State Executive Office of Housing and livable communities so we're excited to be here and we are hoping for a timely review of this development so that we can be ready to create affordable housing as soon as possible

[Speaker 2] (1:15:15 - 1:15:16)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:16 - 1:15:20)
Thank you very much. Thank you for all the information. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:15:22 - 1:15:22)
and I appreciate it.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:24 - 1:15:31)
Um I first wanna give the board some uh an offer here to ask any questions that you might have. Does anybody have any specific question? No.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:32 - 1:15:33)
No questions from

[Speaker 4] (1:15:33 - 1:15:33)
Questions,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:33 - 1:15:33)
me.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:33 - 1:15:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:33 - 1:15:33)
the uh

[Speaker 2] (1:15:33 - 1:15:53)
I have a few, but um some of these might get um answered as we go. Um one thing I was wondering on our site plan, we don't have, we don't see the um the structures on Curry Circle to see how close those homes are to the um to the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:54 - 1:16:05)
Um and I'm thinking particularly sort of the smoking shed and the dumpster and the um the generator that are on that line um because I can't see where the structures are.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:05 - 1:16:11)
And when I look at it on an aerial view there's a lot of trees, so it's hard for me to tell kind of where those properties are.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:13 - 1:16:15)
I'm not sure if that's something that can just be avoided with the

[Speaker 5] (1:16:18 - 1:16:23)
Yeah, uh if you go to back to this slide, this might provide a little bit of context.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:31 - 1:16:39)
Yeah. So uh you can see here there that, you know, uh approximately where they are, but we can certainly add uh

[Speaker 5] (1:16:40 - 1:16:42)
Add dimensions to those in the

[Speaker 2] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
upcoming Yeah, that

[Speaker 5] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
plan,

[Speaker 2] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
makes sense.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:42 - 1:16:44)
to show them on the plan. That's not a problem at all.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:44 - 1:16:57)
Thank you so much. Um and then my question about um relocating the culvert, um I've been told that that's something that's gonna be funded through grant funding. Is that something that that has that funding been secured or is that still in the process?

[Speaker 2] (1:16:59 - 1:17:06)
Is that and then is there um sort of a um contingency plan if that funding doesn't come through for moving that culvert?

[Speaker 6] (1:17:07 - 1:17:25)
will be included in the request to state state funding. But it is you know something that can be qualified as uh power contribution as well, if it can help the applicants. So it will also you know help uh strengthen our our proposal, but we do have contingency plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:28 - 1:17:30)
The project can not go ahead with that.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:31 - 1:17:32)
Without doing that. Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:32 - 1:17:36)
You will, you will, you will definitely find the sources for it.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:37 - 1:17:55)
Um and then the other question I had that kind of involves that curry um border, the the homes that are on Curry Circle, does there's all the image u images, even the images with the building show a lot of trees there because there are a lot of trees there but I'm not sure what

[Speaker 2] (1:17:55 - 1:18:11)
side of that property line are those on the homeowners property or are the those on the parking lot property and will do we have kind of um a number of is there any is there any plan that shows us what trees will be removed um if any or what trees will be protected etc

[Speaker 5] (1:18:11 - 1:18:17)
Yeah, if you want to go to the uh demolition plan oh, it's a bunch of slides oh there you go right there.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:18 - 1:18:18)
What?

[Speaker 6] (1:18:18 - 1:18:21)
Many of them are on the other side of the property where you put them.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:21 - 1:18:23)
Yeah. So uh along the

[Speaker 5] (1:18:23 - 1:18:38)
The order there, I think we're removing four trees where the parking lot is and then I think six additional trees. Some of those have already been taken down by Geno in the town.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:38 - 1:18:50)
We have had a arborist out to the site to identify tree protection zones to determine which trees can be saved and we're saving those. We could certainly

[Speaker 5] (1:18:51 - 1:19:11)
make that a little bit more clear on the plan here um and then we're we're not removing any trees that are off of our property line so all those trees are on our side of the property line and uh will be replanting along the perimeters of the site to re-establish a buffer

[Speaker 2] (1:19:12 - 1:19:18)
So there will be trees going um there will be new trees planted between the parking lot and

[Speaker 5] (1:19:18 - 1:19:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:18 - 1:19:19)
Cardinal so Street.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:19 - 1:19:20)
whatever trees are

[Speaker 5] (1:19:21 - 1:19:24)
On the opposite side of the property line we'll be staying there and then we'll

[Speaker 1] (1:19:30 - 1:19:32)
Yeah. Oh, if you wanted to go up in the... Yeah, right there.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:33 - 1:19:33)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:19:33 - 1:19:33)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:19:33 - 1:19:38)
are those Arbor Vitae, like tall things that will grow tall, or what's along that? Because it looks like a very narrow space.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:38 - 1:19:39)
so it's... it's

[Speaker 1] (1:19:40 - 1:20:02)
It's arbor vitis with trees at either end and the reason that we're not putting any new trees in that strip right there is because there's a culvert right beneath it so it may interrupt you may not be able to get the tree to grow on top of the culvert. We can certainly try but what we're showing right now is shrubs.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:04 - 1:20:08)
Okay, so those aren't arborvitaes on that. That that's nothing tall between the

[Speaker 1] (1:20:08 - 1:20:16)
No, zu arborvitaes and sh will be there, but also some shrubs to kind of make it a little bit more decorative looking. So we

[Speaker 3] (1:20:16 - 1:20:22)
Can can we be more specific? So, yards moving the cursor, sorry to interrupt, but so closer to Erie Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:22 - 1:20:23)
No, I think we're talking about

[Speaker 4] (1:20:23 - 1:20:24)
So the line.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:24 - 1:20:24)
Arborvita

[Speaker 1] (1:20:24 - 1:20:26)
right where the parking lot is between parking

[Speaker 2] (1:20:26 - 1:20:26)
Yeah, I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:20:26 - 1:20:26)
lot.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:26 - 1:20:28)
just talking about the the properties on Curry Circle.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:28 - 1:20:30)
I just wanna make our cursor was

[Speaker 3] (1:20:30 - 1:20:34)
Oh, sorry. I forgot. The this area has a parking lot.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:35 - 1:20:35)
It's limited.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:35 - 1:20:37)
Yeah, I don't think your cursor Yeah, is showing

[Speaker 2] (1:20:37 - 1:20:37)
we're not

[Speaker 1] (1:20:37 - 1:20:37)
up

[Speaker 2] (1:20:37 - 1:20:40)
seeing that. But that's that's okay. I think we know the

[Speaker 1] (1:20:40 - 1:20:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:40 - 1:20:40)
Sorry, I didn't understand.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:40 - 1:20:47)
yeah. Um so yeah, I guess just if you have on those on on your plan um

[Speaker 2] (1:20:48 - 1:20:50)
Just identifying what trees

[Speaker 1] (1:20:50 - 1:20:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:50 - 1:20:53)
are going to be there and and the heights and and sizes

[Speaker 1] (1:20:53 - 1:20:53)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:53 - 1:20:54)
of those trees would be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:54 - 1:20:59)
And we'll I think I don't know if we've submitted the arborist report yet, but we'll also submit that if we haven't.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:59 - 1:21:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:01)
Is it okay?

[Speaker 2] (1:21:03 - 1:21:14)
And then I had a question, and I I know that there is some uh um some traffic and parking um information in our packet about sort of sight lines and everything with the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:14 - 1:21:31)
The only sight lines that weren't mentioned that I'm a l was a little concerned about is the um the exit and how close it is to the structure. Um not so much for cars, but for sidewalk. So being able to see like a kid on a scooter coming down in front of um coming down Pine Street.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:31 - 1:21:34)
as you're exiting not so much as you're entering, but as you're exiting that

[Speaker 1] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
will be.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:34 - 1:21:35)
see what you're saying.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:35 - 1:21:43)
So I don't know if you can have um I don't think that was mentioned. The sight the s the sight line visibility was only mentioned entering the

[Speaker 1] (1:21:43 - 1:21:43)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:43 - 1:21:44)
parking lot, but not exiting.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:44 - 1:21:47)
Oh well, we can absolutely provide sight line measurement for that.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:47 - 1:21:48)
That would be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:48 - 1:21:48)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:48 - 1:21:49)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:50 - 1:22:00)
Um and then um you are asking for a waiver for lighting, but then in the presentation, it sounded like you were going to meet all the um lighting.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:00 - 1:22:15)
So the lighting will be shielded, but there's some lighting that uh gets into Pine Street and Erie Street. So technically it's light trespass, however the roadway has its own lighting, um so

[Speaker 1] (1:22:16 - 1:22:22)
They really that light trespass is going to be negligible compared to because the streets already lit.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:22 - 1:22:26)
Yeah, so there's no light trespass in any of the resident onto any of the residential properties.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:26 - 1:22:37)
There's a minor like 0.1 to 0.2 lumens, but that doesn't take into account the any of the plantings there and also

[Speaker 1] (1:22:38 - 1:22:47)
the shielding that's gonna be applied to it. So it'll have house side shielding on the back side of the lighting that'll block off the light from going backwards past the light pole.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:48 - 1:22:51)
Um we can update this to show the shielding and uh

[Speaker 2] (1:22:51 - 1:22:57)
Yeah, I think that would be great if we can just uh have an and just where the um sort of um

[Speaker 2] (1:22:59 - 1:23:00)
sorry, where the

[Speaker 1] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
We need relief. Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:00 - 1:23:02)
um the relief is needed, yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:02 - 1:23:03)
okay, yes, absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:03 - 1:23:06)
Yeah, where the relief is needed so that we can be so we can understand exactly

[Speaker 1] (1:23:06 - 1:23:06)
Yep, I

[Speaker 2] (1:23:06 - 1:23:06)
where

[Speaker 1] (1:23:06 - 1:23:07)
can clarify that absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:07 - 1:23:21)
um and then the um the other question I had was about the flood plain. I know that you've talked about that, about how that elevating out of and we are meeting with the um uh conservation commission

[Speaker 2] (1:23:22 - 1:23:23)
Right, coming up.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
Mm,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
So that

[Speaker 1] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
it's coming

[Speaker 2] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
will kind of

[Speaker 1] (1:23:24 - 1:23:25)
on the twenty-third.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:25 - 1:23:31)
address that. So if there's a formal report for that, if that can be submitted with the with the file, that would be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:31 - 1:23:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:31 - 1:23:34)
Um 'cause uh th what I heard was that it's

[Speaker 2] (1:23:34 - 1:23:37)
Right now you're at fifteen feet, but the flood plain is sixteen feet?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:37 - 1:23:49)
Well the flood plain is at fourteen feet. Uh the plans now are at fifteen feet, but uh per our meeting with D_P_W_ uh we're going to bring it up another foot to sixteen feet.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:50 - 1:23:50)
Okay. Alright, that

[Speaker 1] (1:23:50 - 1:23:51)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:23:51 - 1:23:51)
one too.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:51 - 1:23:53)
that'll be two feet up above the flood plain elevation.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:54 - 1:23:57)
Okay, okay. That's great. And that'll all be included in

[Speaker 1] (1:23:57 - 1:23:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:57 - 1:23:57)
the

[Speaker 5] (1:23:57 - 1:23:59)
What do what does that mean in terms of

[Speaker 1] (1:24:00 - 1:24:09)
for a lay person to understand. So basically the flood plain elevation is the elevation that uh the flood water will reach in the hundred year storm.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:09 - 1:24:16)
Uh this is a it's a flood plain subject to coastal storm flowage. So

[Speaker 1] (1:24:16 - 1:24:37)
That's basically during a storm or whenever you've got your hundred year storm how far the ocean will come in and what elevation that will come up to. So when it floods you'll have water up to elevation fourteen filling the whole area, but you'll have the building entry two feet up above that water. And having it two feet up gives us some resiliency to climate change in the future.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:39 - 1:24:40)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:40 - 1:24:41)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:24:42 - 1:25:09)
And then I'm sure this is coming, but um we just would love to make sure that we have a very detailed construction management plan and a detailed um pest management plan during construction um as part of the part of it. Um and then the one area, and this just only, I know these are representations, so the um sidewalk area, there when whenever I'm looking at some of these um aerials and things, you can see the sidewalk.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:09 - 1:25:10)
that's

[Speaker 2] (1:25:11 - 1:25:33)
going the new sidewalk is going to be in front of the building um which I assume is going to be all new is that correct that's not going to be any sort of reuse and then I don't see anything that then connects over to where the dispensary is during that where that little bump out is and I think there's something there now but I just want to make sure that we're not oh I can see it in that one okay

[Speaker 1] (1:25:33 - 1:25:36)
Yeah, we're contin we're just continuing the walk down

[Speaker 2] (1:25:36 - 1:25:36)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:25:36 - 1:25:36)
along.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:36 - 1:25:36)
walk down, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:36 - 1:25:38)
Yeah, it's kind of hidden a little bit here

[Speaker 2] (1:25:38 - 1:25:40)
It's hidden in some of them, I just want to make sure that's definitely.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:40 - 1:25:53)
But we'll have um you'll have the curb line, then you'll have I think two feet of uh green space, so you'll be able to put some street trees along there just like what we have at the Michonne. And uh then you'll have the back of the sidewalk and the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:53 - 1:25:54)
And then the bump out there,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:54 - 1:25:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:54 - 1:25:55)
yeah, okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:55 - 1:26:02)
Alright, um those are all the questions I had right now, but I know that I you know we'll have we'll have more. But um

[Speaker 2] (1:26:03 - 1:26:29)
I also wanted to um open it up to um to community comment. Um I wanna make sure everybody understands that no decisions are being made, this is just part of the process. We love to hear um your concerns early on in the process. So if anything can be addressed, we can get to it early. Um understand that as a zoning board our um our jurisdiction is very limited when it comes to 40B. So just to have everybody's

[Speaker 2] (1:26:29 - 1:26:51)
expectations where you know where they should be. Um also if someone if you agree with someone who already said something feel free to just say I agree, we don't need to um restate every comment, but just say I agree with that the comment that's stated just to kinda keep things moving. But um if anybody would like to speak, please raise your hand, we'll call on you, and then um just state your name and your address.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:53 - 1:26:55)
If anybody has any questions.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:56 - 1:26:57)
No no questions?

[Speaker 5] (1:26:57 - 1:26:58)
I see somebody here.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:58 - 1:26:59)
Hi.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:00 - 1:27:03)
Oh and can we just we're just gonna get you a microphone. Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:19 - 1:27:28)
Hi, my name is Alicia McCarthy and we own the house at nine Pine Street directly across from the project.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:31 - 1:27:33)
I know Heather, you had mentioned

[Speaker 6] (1:27:35 - 1:27:42)
Questions about pest control. I think pest controls with a renovation of a house on our back lot,

[Speaker 6] (1:27:42 - 1:27:53)
the Boynton Street project and the demolition of the building that was on the veterans crossing site has created a huge rat problem already

[Speaker 1] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
Wow.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:53 - 1:28:01)
and I can't imagine what 41 units of trash in

[Speaker 6] (1:28:04 - 1:28:16)
dumpsters outside is going to create in addition to the construction so I would also be interested in what the pest management plan is during and after construction.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:18 - 1:28:33)
I briefly read through the stormwater drainage report I don't fully understand all of it all of it I just know that in our area we do have a huge problem with

[Speaker 6] (1:28:34 - 1:28:43)
The Stacey Brooke underneath and the runoff and when they do come out to clean the lines,

[Speaker 6] (1:28:45 - 1:28:50)
Gino has actually been really great anytime I call him and tell him my.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:51 - 1:29:09)
toilet has exploded when they try and to flush it a different way he they mark it down and don't use that line again I'm just wondering what the town's plan is with the developers and the engineers like how's that going to work if it can't the

[Speaker 2] (1:29:09 - 1:29:10)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 6] (1:29:10 - 1:29:10)
current

[Speaker 2] (1:29:10 - 1:29:11)
a great

[Speaker 6] (1:29:11 - 1:29:11)
infrastructure

[Speaker 2] (1:29:11 - 1:29:14)
question. And they are moving that culvert as part of this project,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:14 - 1:29:16)
so the Stacy Brooke.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:16 - 1:29:19)
So I also read that.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:39 - 1:29:39)
It is.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:39 - 1:29:40)
that as sort of a

[Speaker 1] (1:29:40 - 1:29:47)
a plus to the town is sort of moving that and taking care of, hopefully, some of the problems that that's been causing.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:48 - 1:30:05)
And we're already uh coordinating with Gino to do a capacity study and a camera evaluation of the line to make sure that um well well first just to clarify uh the sewer is isn't connected to Stacy culvert, it's not a s shared storm sewer, so um

[Speaker 3] (1:30:05 - 1:30:12)
And I know Gino had said that there was some issues in the sewer there, but I just want to make sure that we understand that those are two separate things.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:13 - 1:30:14)
They they are but they aren't.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:15 - 1:30:16)
oh yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:16 - 1:30:16)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:30:16 - 1:30:18)
But but yes we we will be

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:18)
there are

[Speaker 3] (1:30:18 - 1:30:18)
doing

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:19)
there are some problems there,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19)
Yeah yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:19 - 1:30:21)
but we know that sewage is getting into Stacey

[Speaker 3] (1:30:21 - 1:30:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:21 - 1:30:24)
Brook and getting out to the ocean. It's a it's a hundred year problem.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:24 - 1:30:35)
Well we'll be reviewing the capacity of the pipes, we'll provide calculations uh for Juno and also for you to review and um we're do a camera inspection to make sure there are no blockages or damage to the pipe.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:36 - 1:30:44)
That's great. Thank you. Yeah. So if anything hopefully that'll improve that that um for the neighbourhood we're hoping and that's something that the developer is working with.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:44 - 1:30:49)
working with the town to try to um you know make better for us.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:50 - 1:30:56)
And then my other concern was just in the plans that I saw,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:56 - 1:31:07)
it doesn't look like there's much greening or landscaping in the front where the building is on Pine Street.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:09 - 1:31:18)
Currently there's some shrubbery along the fence of the VFW. There's no entrance there.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:18 - 1:31:19)
There's only a small window.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:21 - 1:31:29)
So I think outside of 1A being busy during traffic times and like summertime walks,

[Speaker 4] (1:31:29 - 1:31:35)
for living on a corner of a busy busier road,

[Speaker 4] (1:31:35 - 1:31:35)
we have

[Speaker 4] (1:31:36 - 1:31:57)
relatively good privacy and it seems like now there's going to be lawn chairs and activities and lots of people directly in front of our porches where we drink coffee and sit on the steps with our kids and let them ride their scooters in the morning.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:57 - 1:32:02)
So I'm just wondering is there a way to

[Speaker 4] (1:32:04 - 1:32:13)
put some more privacy on that that side of the building because

[Speaker 4] (1:32:15 - 1:32:23)
currently we have there's no real visualization with that

[Speaker 1] (1:32:23 - 1:32:47)
So you're talking about the pla the area with the wraparound porch. So definitely looks like we had some yeah, the okay, there we go. There's some plantings along that corner and then the taller plantings are more where the building sets back, um is what they have now. I mean if that's something that I mean that is the en the main entrance to the building and that is a use, you know, going to be a used space for the residents um

[Speaker 1] (1:32:49 - 1:32:51)
who will be your neighbors. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:32:53 - 1:32:59)
So I don't I don't know if that's something that's gue that where you would put tall screening things in front

[Speaker 4] (1:32:59 - 1:32:59)
I mean of I was

[Speaker 1] (1:32:59 - 1:32:59)
when

[Speaker 4] (1:32:59 - 1:32:59)
just

[Speaker 1] (1:32:59 - 1:33:00)
we could

[Speaker 4] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
reading

[Speaker 1] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
put it

[Speaker 4] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
in

[Speaker 1] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
right

[Speaker 4] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
some

[Speaker 1] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
at the

[Speaker 4] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
of

[Speaker 1] (1:33:00 - 1:33:00)
entrance.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:00 - 1:33:10)
I don't understand all of the zoning bylaws and but I think I read something about preserving the at

[Speaker 4] (1:33:12 - 1:33:20)
least partially or at least 50 percent or something like that of the privacy that's already there and it seems like there's

[Speaker 4] (1:33:21 - 1:33:39)
There's no like there's only one outward facing window towards us and a bunch of shrubbery along the chain link fence and now it's going to be an open space where people are looking at us a parking lot and then a bunch of windows overlooking our yard.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:43 - 1:33:44)
Yeah, there isn't a lot of...

[Speaker 1] (1:33:46 - 1:34:09)
sort of zoning criteria here there's definitely opportunity to work with the developer and see if there's some ideas that they have or some ideas that the architect or the landscaper have to sort of soften that for you and soften that for the neighbors as far as zoning guidelines there there isn't in our situation with a comprehensive special permit it's a little bit different than the traditional zoning bylaw but we're definitely

[Speaker 1] (1:34:10 - 1:34:37)
You know, I think this is a developer who wants to be part of the neighbourhood, they want to be inclusive, so I think that's something that a conversation that um I'd love to hear if you have any ideas of of how that works on Pine Street, verse I know that there was a lot of talk from planning to move your to move off of Erie. Um but now that I don't know if that then brought you closer to Pine or or how that worked, but

[Speaker 5] (1:34:40 - 1:34:44)
I just would like to start the discussion about what we might be able to do at

[Speaker 1] (1:34:44 - 1:34:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:44 - 1:34:45)
this point.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:46 - 1:34:46)
All right.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:46 - 1:34:50)
And then my last concern was just the traffic impact.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:52 - 1:34:54)
In the traffic report,

[Speaker 4] (1:34:54 - 1:35:01)
it states that the nearest major intersection to the entrance is Pine Street and Erie Street.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:01 - 1:35:04)
I maybe I read it wrong, but I don't think that's accurate.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:04 - 1:35:10)
I think Pine Street and New Ocean is a pretty major intersection,

[Speaker 4] (1:35:10 - 1:35:13)
definitely more than Pine Street and Erie Street.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:13 - 1:35:17)
And if that was considered the major.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:18 - 1:35:28)
um intersection that they were kind of looking at. I don't think that the traffic impact was

[Speaker 4] (1:35:28 - 1:35:30)
necessarily accurate.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:30 - 1:35:50)
I think some of that might have been for sort of visibility, because this building won't affect visibility at the um at the Pine Street, um at the um at the intersection you're talking about, it is it's affecting visibility at the Erie st street. Um but if there is further traffic study that can be done that would incorporate both both intersections,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:51 - 1:35:53)
we can discuss that.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:54 - 1:36:03)
And just that the way that the when the local was built, though way that they built the curb to jut out,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:03 - 1:36:23)
um I think the intention was to slow people down and create less of a less dangerous um intersection. But currently the way it is there two cars a car coming down Pine Street turning onto New Ocean.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:24 - 1:36:29)
Sitting at that stop sign, a car coming from New Ocean cannot fit around the corner.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:31 - 1:36:39)
Um so having more traffic going that way, I don't know if the plan is to keep that design the way that it is.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:40 - 1:36:47)
Yes, it is to keep that. Now I mean that is definitely was done for s for like just like you said for safety. So people aren't taking that turn at,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:47 - 1:36:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:47 - 1:36:51)
you know, because it's such it's not a right angle turn. So people are almost taking it straight.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:52 - 1:36:55)
At least now it's forcing people to realize that they're at an intersection.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:56 - 1:37:00)
I think people just come closer to the curb where kids are coming around the corner.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:00 - 1:37:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:01 - 1:37:01)
My kids in particular.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:01 - 1:37:03)
It just slows them down.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:03 - 1:37:03)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:37:03 - 1:37:04)
Yeah, it doesn't slow them down.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:04 - 1:37:05)
it's not slowing people down.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:05 - 1:37:14)
And there were also three accidents right at that pole directly at that intersection between just in a matter of like three or four months over the spring and summer,

[Speaker 4] (1:37:15 - 1:37:20)
where they had to shut down the street for a little bit while they

[Speaker 4] (1:37:22 - 1:37:28)
fix the lines that were attached and the pole. The pole's been replaced twice. Um

[Speaker 4] (1:37:28 - 1:37:29)
So I don't know what that

[Speaker 1] (1:37:30 - 1:37:36)
So yeah, no, that's definitely something something to be on our radar, and I think that we should um we have a um we have

[Speaker 1] (1:37:39 - 1:38:03)
Traffic and safety should be a concern and I think we should we can definitely have that on our radar as something to look further look further into and to talk to sort of the town officials as to what sort of reports they've had on that intersection so far since the change was made, 'cause I'm assuming people have been trying to sort of study that, and if it's more accidents when the goal was fewer accidents, we should be looking at that even separately from from this project. So that's good to know.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:04 - 1:38:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:07 - 1:38:09)
Is there anybody else who'd like to talk?

[Speaker 1] (1:38:12 - 1:38:12)
Please just say

[Speaker 7] (1:38:12 - 1:38:12)
How you doing?

[Speaker 1] (1:38:12 - 1:38:13)
name and your address.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:13 - 1:38:29)
Uh Steve Gadman, 11 Pine Street, uh right next door uh to them. Um I may have misunderstood earlier um that something was mentioned about a second stairway in the front of the building. Did I misunderstand that or

[Speaker 5] (1:38:30 - 1:38:31)
No, it's two stairs to the building.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:32 - 1:38:34)
So is it gonna be all set of stairs w

[Speaker 3] (1:38:35 - 1:38:38)
One one village meant for egress, like emergency.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:38 - 1:38:39)
For emergency?

[Speaker 3] (1:38:39 - 1:38:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:39 - 1:38:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:40 - 1:38:42)
It's not it's not accessible from the outside.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:42 - 1:38:58)
Okay. Alright, that was one of one of the concerns. Um the the other one that um we had emailed in about um the other staircase that is there um and people d either just visiting or if they're having food dropped off that

[Speaker 7] (1:38:59 - 1:39:07)
Instead of maybe going into the parking lot with the staircase right there, right at the corner they're gonna use Pine Street

[Speaker 7] (1:39:08 - 1:39:10)
as as a regular parking lot.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:10 - 1:39:14)
And we're not so much concerned about like they're gonna be they're gonna be our neighbor

[Speaker 1] (1:39:34 - 1:39:49)
And it's an everyday occurrence that they park there. And with the residents there and then with us being in front of our house, it's just it's going to create a huge problem.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:50 - 1:39:59)
One thing that I would like to see, not just me, us, that we would like to see, I didn't see it in the plans, was a fence to divide the two parking lots.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:59 - 1:40:15)
um going into Veterans Crossing and the local because what's going to happen is they're going to park right on Pine Street and cut through the parking lot if not pull into that parking lot park and and go into the local

[Speaker 1] (1:40:16 - 1:40:31)
Um and I know it sounds crazy, but it it will happen. It will happen. So we would like to have a fence to divide those two two parking lots so it's gonna force them to walk around and maybe not park park out there.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:32 - 1:40:32)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:40:32 - 1:40:35)
Is the parking on Airy, is it resident only?

[Speaker 1] (1:40:36 - 1:40:37)
On Erie?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:37 - 1:40:38)
I mean on a on

[Speaker 1] (1:40:38 - 1:40:38)
On

[Speaker 2] (1:40:38 - 1:40:38)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:40:38 - 1:40:39)
Pine Street?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:39 - 1:40:39)
yeah on Pine

[Speaker 1] (1:40:39 - 1:40:41)
Yes. Yep, it's resident.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:41 - 1:40:43)
So it's posted all on both sides

[Speaker 1] (1:40:43 - 1:40:43)
On,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:43 - 1:40:43)
resident only.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:43 - 1:40:45)
yep, and it it doesn't matter.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:46 - 1:40:50)
It if we say this is resident only, call the cops I'll be gone by the time they

[Speaker 2] (1:40:50 - 1:40:50)
Yep,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:50 - 1:40:50)
get here.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:50 - 1:40:51)
that's what I understand.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:51 - 1:40:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:51 - 1:40:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:52 - 1:40:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:52 - 1:40:53)
Well I mean I know.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:53 - 1:40:53)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:40:57 - 1:40:57)
Uh,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:57 - 1:40:57)
Is that's

[Speaker 1] (1:40:57 - 1:40:58)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:58 - 1:41:01)
already that's an enforcement issue that's car currently a problem.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:01 - 1:41:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:01 - 1:41:01)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:41:01 - 1:41:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:01 - 1:41:04)
that that you're just p envisioning becoming

[Speaker 6] (1:41:04 - 1:41:04)
Makes it worse.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:04 - 1:41:05)
a larger problem

[Speaker 1] (1:41:05 - 1:41:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:05 - 1:41:05)
which

[Speaker 6] (1:41:05 - 1:41:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:05 - 1:41:21)
does make sense that it would. Um and so the quest the the issue is right now right now it would be illegal to just pull up to the front of that building and run in and drop off food and come back because there it's resident only that street.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:22 - 1:41:24)
If that building just showed up tomorrow.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:25 - 1:41:27)
Correct? It's all resident in front,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:27 - 1:41:28)
where the building is going to be. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:28 - 1:41:28)
Cool.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:29 - 1:41:36)
So some of that is going to be an enforcement issue to that needs to be taken seriously.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:37 - 1:41:38)
Um.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:38 - 1:41:38)
Um

[Speaker 5] (1:41:38 - 1:41:49)
Because that's going to be another kind of obstruction to coming in and out if people are are often parked right in front of that space coming out of that lot, you're going to have even less visibility.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:50 - 1:41:54)
Because there's a lot of cars there. So I don't know how that could be marked um

[Speaker 5] (1:41:55 - 1:41:56)
better to

[Speaker 2] (1:41:56 - 1:41:57)
It looks like a parking lot being

[Speaker 5] (1:41:57 - 1:41:58)
To help with that.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:58 - 1:42:09)
inviting for deliveries, you know, you're going to have not just food delivery, you're going to have Amazon, you're going to have

[Speaker 7] (1:42:09 - 1:42:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:10 - 1:42:17)
mail truck that's coming up, you know, so I'm not sure what consideration has been to

[Speaker 2] (1:42:18 - 1:42:21)
How to accommodate deliveries, I guess that's the question.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:22 - 1:42:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:23 - 1:42:34)
Uh the secondary stair that's used for egress, I don't believe that would be available for um drop off of food uh or mail. They would have to go under

[Speaker 5] (1:42:34 - 1:42:34)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:34 - 1:42:43)
the main parking lot and come up through the entry to gain access to the building into the mail room. Um so we don't envision anybody

[Speaker 2] (1:42:43 - 1:42:49)
Or at least we're not proposing to have anybody park on the street. Um

[Speaker 5] (1:42:49 - 1:42:54)
Right. I guess the problem being the reason it will happen is because

[Speaker 5] (1:42:56 - 1:43:08)
I'm wondering if it's possible to have the stairs. I know that's inviting for people walking to the building from parking other places, but if um if if the only way kind of in and out of the building was

[Speaker 5] (1:43:09 - 1:43:13)
through the stairs that enter into the parking lot as opposed to that secondary set

[Speaker 2] (1:43:13 - 1:43:13)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (1:43:13 - 1:43:13)
of stairs

[Speaker 2] (1:43:13 - 1:43:13)
you're talking

[Speaker 5] (1:43:13 - 1:43:13)
on about the sidewalk.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:13 - 1:43:14)
okay

[Speaker 2] (1:43:15 - 1:43:15)
Start the public.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:15 - 1:43:18)
Um not the side not the we're not talking about the back stairs

[Speaker 2] (1:43:18 - 1:43:18)
No,

[Speaker 5] (1:43:18 - 1:43:18)
at

[Speaker 2] (1:43:18 - 1:43:18)
coming

[Speaker 5] (1:43:18 - 1:43:18)
the main

[Speaker 2] (1:43:18 - 1:43:19)
off the other side

[Speaker 5] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
front.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
The

[Speaker 5] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
of the

[Speaker 5] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
other

[Speaker 2] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
front. main entrance.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:19 - 1:43:20)
the main entrance.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:20 - 1:43:33)
side and so that you at the main entrance so that you kind of had to enter through the parking lot, so you couldn't really enter the building from the sidewalk in a way that would discourage people just pulling up for deliveries and would really encourage

[Speaker 2] (1:43:33 - 1:43:34)
That does make sense.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:34 - 1:43:40)
I mean that's just a thought, but there may be other ways to get to really encourage deliveries to come into the parking lot.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:41 - 1:44:03)
Um and I know that it is going to be a a a building that has people that are there um you know that are staying their offices in that building and they're going to be interacting with the delivery people and they're going to be interacting with um the mail and the Amazon and things like that. So that can also be addressed by by the employees.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:04 - 1:44:08)
to kind of encourage Amazon and stuff to come into the building.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:08 - 1:44:09)
I'm not sure.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:09 - 1:44:10)
I'm into the lot, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:11 - 1:44:13)
But if there's a way to do that architecturally

[Speaker 1] (1:44:13 - 1:44:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:13 - 1:44:17)
or landscaping-wise to really encourage

[Speaker 5] (1:44:17 - 1:44:20)
people to come in, um I don't know if that's something you can think about and

[Speaker 2] (1:44:20 - 1:44:21)
You can adjust those you there.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:21 - 1:44:23)
to and let us know when when we meet again.

[Speaker 10] (1:44:24 - 1:44:24)
You got it.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:24 - 1:44:25)
Thank you.

[Speaker 11] (1:44:25 - 1:44:43)
On the on the issue of the parking lot, the d the location of the trash, there's gonna be big dumpsters, right? Is there enough clearance in this parking lot for like a trash truck to empty those dumpsters? Can they get back there? 'Cause I'm thinking about the giant trash truck on my, you know, front street right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:43 - 1:44:44)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:45 - 1:45:04)
Yeah, so uh we've did we've de uh designed it so that the trash truck can pull in, pull forward uh down the aisle and then back up to the garbage enclosure and then pull out uh t continue going forward. So um we've designed the circulation with that in mind to make sure that we can get trucks over there to pick that up.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:04 - 1:45:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:05 - 1:45:10)
Do you think you could point that out with a cursor? 'Cause I'm just I just don't understand

[Speaker 12] (1:45:10 - 1:45:10)
Like where it is.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:10 - 1:45:12)
where your saying

[Speaker 2] (1:45:12 - 1:45:12)
Uh

[Speaker 5] (1:45:12 - 1:45:12)
it is.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:12 - 1:45:13)
where the dumpster's going?

[Speaker 11] (1:45:14 - 1:45:14)
The

[Speaker 5] (1:45:14 - 1:45:14)
Doesn't

[Speaker 11] (1:45:14 - 1:45:14)
centre dumpster.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:14 - 1:45:15)
the dumpster

[Speaker 2] (1:45:15 - 1:45:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (1:45:17 - 1:45:18)
Oh it's over there.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:18 - 1:45:19)
So up here.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:19 - 1:45:20)
Yeah, it's showing up, yep.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:20 - 1:45:21)
This is the dumpster here.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:21 - 1:45:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:21 - 1:45:23)
I think Jacobry's saying that the

[Speaker 2] (1:45:23 - 1:45:24)
Take a right in there.

[Speaker 11] (1:45:24 - 1:45:25)
could go in here.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:25 - 1:45:26)
Continue.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:26 - 1:45:27)
Okay, so a truck is not gonna fit in there.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:27 - 1:45:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:28 - 1:45:29)
I can't even fit out of my

[Speaker 2] (1:45:29 - 1:45:29)
Take

[Speaker 5] (1:45:29 - 1:45:29)
driveway.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:29 - 1:45:31)
a left there and then back up.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:32 - 1:45:36)
Yep. That's how our turning analysis was done.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:38 - 1:45:49)
Yep. So they'll never have t I mean they'll just have to reverse up to the up there, but they'll never have to do any weird manoeuvring or turning around. This car is parked on both sides of the street they won't be able to.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:49 - 1:45:51)
They will not be. I can't get out of my driveway.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:51 - 1:46:00)
If there's two cars parked on both sides of my driveway and one parked across the street, I cannot get out of my driveway, which is why I do not park in my driveway unless there's a snowstorm.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:01 - 1:46:07)
So I don't see how a garbage truck is gonna fit there, which is right across the street from my driveway.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:10 - 1:46:10)
Well, I

[Speaker 5] (1:46:10 - 1:46:18)
So is that with um was that analysis, that radial analysis done with um both assuming cars on both parked on both sides?

[Speaker 2] (1:46:18 - 1:46:22)
It well, I think what she's talking about is Pine Street, which again,

[Speaker 2] (1:46:22 - 1:46:25)
I mean, if they're parking there illegally

[Speaker 5] (1:46:25 - 1:46:26)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:46:26 - 1:46:26)
That's

[Speaker 5] (1:46:26 - 1:46:26)
he residents

[Speaker 2] (1:46:26 - 1:46:26)
really

[Speaker 5] (1:46:26 - 1:46:28)
can park there, so it could be and the all everyone

[Speaker 2] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
Well

[Speaker 13] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
All

[Speaker 5] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
who lives

[Speaker 1] (1:46:28 - 1:46:29)
No.

[Speaker 13] (1:46:29 - 1:46:29)
the people

[Speaker 5] (1:46:29 - 1:46:29)
in the

[Speaker 13] (1:46:29 - 1:46:31)
that are parked there have residence.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:31 - 1:46:34)
Okay. And all the Yeah people who live here will have resident permits.

[Speaker 14] (1:46:34 - 1:46:46)
Yeah, so we do we've done a turning analysis from the drive aisle. So that's going to be off the curb for where the parking is. But yeah, so I mean, we could certainly add that and show that on the next plan iteration. So.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:46 - 1:46:46)
Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:49 - 1:46:49)
Uh

[Speaker 11] (1:46:49 - 1:46:49)
If

[Speaker 1] (1:46:49 - 1:46:49)
the

[Speaker 11] (1:46:49 - 1:46:50)
it's

[Speaker 1] (1:46:50 - 1:46:58)
the other cons uh one another concern was uh and I ha I had asked before about the equipment that's going on the on the roof.

[Speaker 11] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:58 - 1:47:13)
About um how many heat pumps are going up there? How many air conditioning units? What's the decibel level of each one? The horsepower of the motors um and does it meet state requirements to not go above a certain decibel level?

[Speaker 1] (1:47:14 - 1:47:18)
Um and I had I had asked for that before and still haven't gotten that information.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:21 - 1:47:31)
So I we we would like to have that so we can have a mechanical engineer take a look at to make sure that it's not gonna go 'cause we don't wanna be into this project and say oh we didn't realise it was gonna be that that loud.

[Speaker 13] (1:47:32 - 1:47:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:47:32 - 1:47:32)
No

[Speaker 13] (1:47:32 - 1:47:35)
no, that's that's part that will be presented

[Speaker 14] (1:47:35 - 1:47:37)
No, un un understood. Um no uh

[Speaker 14] (1:47:38 - 1:47:48)
There will be one major system again. This is an all electric system. So there's going to be one heat pump uh the ERV system on up there that handles for the entire building. So it's not going to be multiple units that are up there.

[Speaker 14] (1:47:48 - 1:48:03)
Um and we are working on still very early but we will be working with our engineers to make sure that all the equipment meets or exceeds you know uh state laws and regulations for uh sound. And we're trying to obviously damper it as much as possible. Um

[Speaker 15] (1:48:04 - 1:48:20)
But again it comes down to the equipment and the heights, that's what we're all trying to work for, and that's what the roof well as well is going to help with. By creating those walls we actually were working with an acoustical engineer as well to help damper as much sound as possible to make yeah is quiet as we can possibly make it.

[Speaker 13] (1:48:21 - 1:48:21)
And

[Speaker 15] (1:48:21 - 1:48:21)
And do understand

[Speaker 13] (1:48:21 - 1:48:23)
you know when you have those numbers, those the decimal

[Speaker 15] (1:48:23 - 1:48:26)
But that won't we won't be able to have that until we actually start designing the system itself and

[Speaker 13] (1:48:26 - 1:48:28)
You know when it going to be doing that?

[Speaker 15] (1:48:28 - 1:48:32)
once we start moving forward the project itself where I could start bringing in engineers.

[Speaker 15] (1:48:32 - 1:48:33)
Here's the design of the system.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:33 - 1:48:41)
It's your document. What is your, uh I guess your funding date or your target to submit to the city or to to the state, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:43 - 1:48:43)
Who are

[Speaker 16] (1:48:43 - 1:48:49)
Would the Facility has a um with like a a group gap in the front and the end of October

[Speaker 14] (1:48:49 - 1:48:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 16] (1:48:50 - 1:48:51)
which you know um

[Speaker 16] (1:48:52 - 1:48:59)
and then the final the the actual uh funding would be in in February. We would need

[Speaker 16] (1:49:02 - 1:49:04)
We would need, you know, things like

[Speaker 11] (1:49:04 - 1:49:04)
The

[Speaker 16] (1:49:04 - 1:49:04)
the zoning,

[Speaker 11] (1:49:04 - 1:49:05)
approval.

[Speaker 16] (1:49:05 - 1:49:06)
w we would need to be able the compr

[Speaker 11] (1:49:06 - 1:49:07)
Approval.

[Speaker 16] (1:49:07 - 1:49:09)
to have it approval by then,

[Speaker 16] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
but we need

[Speaker 3] (1:49:19 - 1:49:31)
I mean just back to the sound um and and what your question was, since we may not have the exact numbers um we will at least have we will know what the state um this what the state limits are,

[Speaker 4] (1:49:31 - 1:49:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:31 - 1:49:47)
and we will know that that it must meet those state limits. So there will be a benchmark if you're if after the project you feel like it's not meeting, there's something to to kind of benchmark against. I don't think we can give relief beyond the state requirements or that you'd ask for that. So that should be

[Speaker 3] (1:49:47 - 1:49:50)
where you you'd have your your levels if that's

[Speaker 5] (1:49:51 - 1:49:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:51 - 1:49:52)
that's helpful.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:52 - 1:50:04)
Um and I know we'd we'd it was already talked about but uh question about the sewer he had mentioned you had mentioned about an eight inch pipe coming out for to attach to the sewer system.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:05 - 1:50:16)
Um I don't know if they're aware but the pipe that's out in the street now is only about three or four inches so you're going from an eight inch pipe down to about a three or four inch pipe.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:20 - 1:50:20)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:50:20 - 1:50:20)
So there

[Speaker 5] (1:50:20 - 1:50:22)
it's a it's a huge problem.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:22 - 1:50:26)
There is a big problem to solve, if you put this big non-spill in here, pop this pillar to it,

[Speaker 6] (1:50:27 - 1:50:29)
we can't do it. We can't it won't drain out.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:30 - 1:50:32)
Let's say you just put round floor pipes in here.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:32 - 1:50:35)
They're only this big and it comes out all over the street.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:35 - 1:50:35)
And they're

[Speaker 3] (1:50:35 - 1:50:37)
So that's something that when we did the when we were

[Speaker 6] (1:50:37 - 1:50:40)
Yeah, but this is in two years now and when they fixed it, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:40 - 1:50:41)
Or no no just

[Speaker 6] (1:50:41 - 1:50:42)
We're talking with salt water every week.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:42 - 1:50:43)
yeah, so

[Speaker 6] (1:50:43 - 1:50:45)
We get twenty five units.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:46 - 1:50:47)
Who's swimming in it?

[Speaker 3] (1:50:47 - 1:50:49)
So just to let you know when when we uh worked

[Speaker 6] (1:50:49 - 1:50:50)
Why don't

[Speaker 3] (1:50:50 - 1:50:50)
on that

[Speaker 6] (1:50:50 - 1:50:50)
you speak for the area?

[Speaker 7] (1:50:50 - 1:50:51)
God, God, let us

[Speaker 3] (1:50:51 - 1:50:51)
okay,

[Speaker 7] (1:50:51 - 1:50:51)
cry.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:51 - 1:50:54)
when we worked on the Elm Place project we ended up having a full map

[Speaker 6] (1:50:54 - 1:50:55)
What is waiting

[Speaker 3] (1:50:55 - 1:50:55)
of

[Speaker 6] (1:50:55 - 1:50:55)
to be built

[Speaker 3] (1:50:55 - 1:50:55)
all

[Speaker 6] (1:50:55 - 1:50:55)
on it?

[Speaker 3] (1:50:55 - 1:51:11)
the sizes of all the pipes kind of that it was going to um be through. I don't know if um our D.P.W. helped with that or who helped with that, but we did end up having like a very detailed map of all the um pipes and everything that was going through. So

[Speaker 7] (1:51:11 - 1:51:11)
It

[Speaker 3] (1:51:11 - 1:51:11)
and

[Speaker 7] (1:51:11 - 1:51:11)
weren't

[Speaker 3] (1:51:11 - 1:51:12)
then we had that

[Speaker 7] (1:51:12 - 1:51:12)
handled

[Speaker 3] (1:51:12 - 1:51:12)
oh.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:12 - 1:51:14)
on the uh pipe capacity.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:14 - 1:51:14)
But again,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:14 - 1:51:18)
Okay, and then we had that peer-reviewed um as well, if I remember,

[Speaker 7] (1:51:18 - 1:51:18)
I think.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:18 - 1:51:18)
is that correct?

[Speaker 2] (1:51:18 - 1:51:19)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:19 - 1:51:19)
Well

[Speaker 2] (1:51:19 - 1:51:19)
we might see.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:19 - 1:51:20)
I th that's correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:20 - 1:51:32)
so we'll we'll be doing that. So we'll be having a full um kind of hopefully we'll have a full map of all the pipes and you can like I said work with you, you know, to get that to us and then we'll have that reviewed and everything.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:32 - 1:51:34)
Yeah, and there'll be a certification that it's gonna be

[Speaker 3] (1:51:34 - 1:51:37)
And yeah, so everything will be will go through

[Speaker 7] (1:51:37 - 1:51:37)
efficient.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:37 - 1:51:38)
all the steps.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:39 - 1:51:42)
Um is there any is there any other

[Speaker 8] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
questions?

[Speaker 8] (1:51:42 - 1:51:44)
I was just wondering, um all the pictures,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:44 - 1:51:45)
Could you just state your name and address?

[Speaker 8] (1:51:45 - 1:51:47)
oh Terry, Teresa Gadman, 11 Pine Street.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:47 - 1:51:52)
Um all the pictures they show of houses that are near it are the two and three family homes.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:52 - 1:51:57)
They didn't show one of a single family home near this building, what it looks like across the street,

[Speaker 8] (1:51:57 - 1:52:02)
what our houses are going to look like going down, seeing the building and our side.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:02 - 1:52:04)
I would love to see that.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:05 - 1:52:08)
I asked for it before too. So at another meeting we had.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:09 - 1:52:11)
So you mean sort of just a um

[Speaker 8] (1:52:11 - 1:52:16)
It's like for they were showing Erie Street. They showed your house. Your house is larger than our house.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:16 - 1:52:23)
They showed, yeah I know, I know. But and then they showed another house on Erie Street which is a two-family home.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:23 - 1:52:29)
They didn't show one single family house what it would look like near this building.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:30 - 1:52:35)
So when you're you do have some nice um sort of where you took the streetscape and were able to put the building in.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:35 - 1:52:37)
But that's the that's a two family home.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:37 - 1:52:47)
So I guess the question is is there a way to do it so you're seeing that kind of both if you can find a streetscape where you're seeing both sides of Pine Street is there a way to kind of plug that in or is that

[Speaker 7] (1:52:48 - 1:52:54)
We could try playing with some of these, but again, because the houses try setting this off, it's perspective makes it kind of difficult. So

[Speaker 3] (1:52:54 - 1:52:56)
Yeah, to see two sides of a street from

[Speaker 7] (1:52:56 - 1:53:03)
you're starting to see a fish eye of it or it's kind of getting distorted. So it's it's you're trying to show it as you were Like driving

[Speaker 2] (1:53:03 - 1:53:03)
can see.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:03 - 1:53:05)
down the street to kind of house the building feel.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:05 - 1:53:09)
But it doesn't show it doesn't show the other side, it just showed the

[Speaker 3] (1:53:09 - 1:53:09)
No, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:09 - 1:53:09)
other

[Speaker 3] (1:53:09 - 1:53:10)
But I

[Speaker 8] (1:53:10 - 1:53:10)
side.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:10 - 1:53:20)
guess like you c it's very difficult unless you had like this wide angle to see both sides of Pine Street. But if we can if you can find something to kind of give a little bit of a visualis visualisation

[Speaker 6] (1:53:20 - 1:53:21)
That's all.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21)
for that.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21)
I will think

[Speaker 2] (1:53:21 - 1:53:22)
Even

[Speaker 6] (1:53:22 - 1:53:22)
about it.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:22 - 1:53:22)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:22 - 1:53:22)
the little

[Speaker 8] (1:53:22 - 1:53:25)
Of course they can. Of course they can.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:25 - 1:53:26)
Of course they can.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:26 - 1:53:28)
Alright, and did you did you have a question over here?

[Speaker 3] (1:53:30 - 1:53:34)
Did anybody else have any questions or is there anybody on there looks like there's someone on line with their hand up.

[Speaker 9] (1:53:36 - 1:53:37)
Yeah, I have a question.

[Speaker 9] (1:53:38 - 1:53:40)
Cesar Mejia, 27 Pine Street.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:40 - 1:53:41)
Hi, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:41 - 1:53:42)
Can you say your name?

[Speaker 3] (1:53:42 - 1:53:43)
I didn't hear it.

[Speaker 9] (1:53:44 - 1:53:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:53:44 - 1:53:45)
Cesar Mejia,

[Speaker 9] (1:53:45 - 1:53:46)
27 Pine Street.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:46 - 1:53:46)
Hi.

[Speaker 9] (1:53:47 - 1:53:53)
So I may have missed it, but is there going to be a loading zone for when these 41 units move in?

[Speaker 9] (1:53:53 - 1:53:59)
And also, are they going to be adding additional handicap spots on Pine Street or is everything going to be in the lot?

[Speaker 9] (1:54:00 - 1:54:01)
And sorry,

[Speaker 9] (1:54:01 - 1:54:03)
I'm going to throw three questions at you.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
no problem.

[Speaker 9] (1:54:03 - 1:54:09)
what's the typical turnover rate for a building of this size for this type of community?

[Speaker 9] (1:54:10 - 1:54:14)
Like, is it going to be like an Alston Christmas where we should expect something at a certain time of year?

[Speaker 9] (1:54:15 - 1:54:16)
Or is it like it varies greatly?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:17 - 1:54:18)
That's a great question.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:18 - 1:54:19)
So let's just get them all.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:19 - 1:54:26)
So the question is, is there any there's nothing in the proposal to restrict any street parking whatsoever to be.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:26 - 1:54:28)
be handicap accessible. There there's

[Speaker 6] (1:54:28 - 1:54:29)
Well, nothing I believe

[Speaker 3] (1:54:29 - 1:54:29)
there.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:29 - 1:54:32)
in our parking lobby have handicapped spaces as is required by ADA.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:32 - 1:54:42)
And is there a loading zone, loading area? No. And then the what is this might do you know the the turnover on the other similar properties?

[Speaker 8] (1:54:43 - 1:54:53)
Um I know that we have very high vacancy rates in our properties and generally little turnover so there is not

[Speaker 3] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
The low

[Speaker 10] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
Remember

[Speaker 3] (1:54:54 - 1:54:55)
vac

[Speaker 10] (1:54:55 - 1:54:55)
first

[Speaker 3] (1:54:55 - 1:54:55)
the low

[Speaker 10] (1:54:55 - 1:54:55)
low

[Speaker 3] (1:54:55 - 1:54:55)
vacans

[Speaker 10] (1:54:55 - 1:54:55)
vacancy.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:55 - 1:54:56)
vacans.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:56 - 1:54:57)
What did I say, Barry?

[Speaker 10] (1:54:57 - 1:54:57)
Hi.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:57 - 1:54:57)
Oh,

[Speaker 8] (1:54:57 - 1:54:57)
Hi.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:57 - 1:54:58)
should I low

[Speaker 3] (1:54:58 - 1:54:59)
I knew that's not what you meant.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:59 - 1:55:00)
vacans. I apologize.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:01 - 1:55:03)
High occupancy rate?

[Speaker 2] (1:55:03 - 1:55:05)
Low vacancy rate. I apologize.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:06 - 1:55:20)
So there's not a time of year when there are the most move-outs or anything like that. We pride ourselves as an organization as having people stay in our properties for a really long time, decades ideally. Even though they're seniors when they move in,

[Speaker 2] (1:55:21 - 1:55:23)
ideally they stay and age.

[Speaker 11] (1:55:23 - 1:55:43)
for a while. So um we are used to move outs when they happen and they tend to be erratic and not all at the same time. And we would make sure even at the move-in when an empty building becomes occupied that we are staggering move-ins so that it's you know not not all

[Speaker 3] (1:55:43 - 1:55:43)
Okay,

[Speaker 11] (1:55:43 - 1:55:43)
at once.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:43 - 1:55:46)
that's good to know. Yeah. So did you hear that?

[Speaker 3] (1:55:48 - 1:55:48)
Caesar?

[Speaker 8] (1:55:49 - 1:55:49)
Oh my.

[Speaker 12] (1:55:49 - 1:55:53)
Hi, I'm his wife. I'm Nancy Mejia, 27 Pine Street,

[Speaker 12] (1:55:53 - 1:55:55)
and we heard it. I guess the concern is,

[Speaker 12] (1:55:55 - 1:56:01)
will there be enough space for these move-in trucks? Just like Alicia was saying,

[Speaker 12] (1:56:02 - 1:56:04)
that area is already narrow.

[Speaker 12] (1:56:04 - 1:56:09)
And the concern is, will these trucks just park along Pine Street,

[Speaker 12] (1:56:09 - 1:56:12)
or is there a dedicated space within the lot?

[Speaker 12] (1:56:13 - 1:56:39)
um for these move-in trucks because I just assume that it's going to you know make some noise disturb us a little bit and it's you know not for a long time but we want to ensure that we're able to get out of our parking spaces and out of the street if you know as needed so I think a consideration of like a loading zone for prospective move-ins is something to be considered.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:41 - 1:56:42)
I

[Speaker 13] (1:56:42 - 1:56:42)
So

[Speaker 11] (1:56:42 - 1:56:44)
d Oh, I was gonna say I've

[Speaker 11] (1:56:44 - 1:56:47)
I'd like to check with our property manager at the Michonne

[Speaker 8] (1:56:47 - 1:56:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:47 - 1:56:57)
and see how they deal with that because it's a similar parking lot situation. There's not trucks parked on the street. And how do folks move in and out? So if it's okay to report back on

[Speaker 3] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
That'd be

[Speaker 11] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
that

[Speaker 3] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
great.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
at the next

[Speaker 3] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
thank

[Speaker 11] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:57 - 1:57:06)
you. So she'll report back at our next meeting about that. And it's kind of similar to what we were talking about, just kind of encouraging trucks to not be parked in front and to be parked inside.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:06 - 1:57:10)
And when someone's moving in, that can just be the requirement for moving

[Speaker 7] (1:57:10 - 1:57:10)
Are

[Speaker 3] (1:57:10 - 1:57:10)
in.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:10 - 1:57:11)
there any further questions?

[Speaker 7] (1:57:12 - 1:57:12)
Sorry.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:12 - 1:57:13)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:13 - 1:57:17)
Okay. Are there any furnishings in the units that you're renting, or they just are completely vacant?

[Speaker 11] (1:57:18 - 1:57:19)
An interesting point.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:19 - 1:57:22)
So first of all, all of these units are one bedroom,

[Speaker 11] (1:57:22 - 1:57:24)
one bathroom. So

[Speaker 11] (1:57:25 - 1:57:44)
Uh the giant moving trucks that happen in single family homes, I can't imagine that happening here. Um we typically provide basic furnishings if for the very low income units, especially if people come from homelessness into our property. So just at the initial move-in, but they still would have

[Speaker 7] (1:57:44 - 1:57:44)
There's

[Speaker 11] (1:57:44 - 1:57:44)
their own.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:44 - 1:57:45)
gonna be a bed already in the unit.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:46 - 1:57:48)
Some some of them would

[Speaker 7] (1:57:48 - 1:57:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:48 - 1:57:50)
not 'cause some people have their own things,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:50 - 1:57:50)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:50 - 1:57:51)
especially at the

[Speaker 3] (1:57:52 - 1:57:52)
Hire.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:52 - 1:57:55)
And how many square feet are the average units?

[Speaker 7] (1:57:55 - 1:57:56)
About six hundred or so.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:57 - 1:57:58)
That's a very small

[Speaker 3] (1:57:58 - 1:57:58)
Very

[Speaker 14] (1:57:58 - 1:57:58)
rise,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:58 - 1:57:58)
small.

[Speaker 14] (1:57:58 - 1:57:58)
so.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:59 - 1:58:01)
Yeah, so that's that's we're not talking large big

[Speaker 7] (1:58:01 - 1:58:02)
No.

[Speaker 15] (1:58:02 - 1:58:10)
Or also talking low income housing, so there won't be tons and tons of furniture going into these places small.

[Speaker 11] (1:58:38 - 1:58:48)
Like will they fit there as well? I don't envision them currently fitting anywhere there. Um my

[Speaker 6] (1:58:50 - 1:58:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:58:50 - 1:59:03)
um I my mother takes care of my children and she lives on Duncan Terrace and if she has to pick my kids up after school she parks on the street not in their parking lot because it is an older community and there are often

[Speaker 3] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04)
ambulances.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:24 - 1:59:26)
Oh so um for something

[Speaker 2] (1:59:27 - 1:59:46)
It's like an ambulance coming to pick somebody up, there's adequate space. It's a two way drive aisle, so you can get an ambulance in there. Fire access, I mean if you've got a fire in the building, realistically all bets are off. You're gonna put emergency vehicles wherever you have to, to take care of that fire. The fire access is on Pine Street and Erie Street.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:47 - 1:59:56)
A fire truck can pull in and out of the main parking area and there's that green strip behind the building that's accessible to the fire department as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:56 - 2:00:05)
So for people that need to be transported to the doctor or the hospitals via a van or a ambulance,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:05 - 2:00:14)
there's room for them to pull into the site and fire department's going to bring the trucks where they need to be to put the fire out. And you know,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:14 - 2:00:15)
in an emergency situation.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:16 - 2:00:19)
I mean, fire trucks usually show up with the ambulance or before the ambulance.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:19 - 2:00:19)
They do that

[Speaker 1] (2:00:19 - 2:00:19)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:00:19 - 2:00:22)
in our town are 'cause they're all EMTs, our fire our fire

[Speaker 2] (2:00:22 - 2:00:22)
And we'll

[Speaker 3] (2:00:22 - 2:00:22)
truck.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:22 - 2:00:26)
hope that they're not going to be there for too long if they're coming to pick somebody up, take them to the hospital. But

[Speaker 3] (2:00:26 - 2:00:28)
Those shows up quickly.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:29 - 2:00:31)
Buildings are all fully sprinklered, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:00:31 - 2:00:38)
Yes, yep. We'll have a um a um fire suppression system built into the with a separate uh tie into the water line.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:38 - 2:00:39)
So it won't hurt that.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:40 - 2:00:41)
Alright, you have a question in the back?

[Speaker 5] (2:00:41 - 2:00:41)
Um yeah

[Speaker 3] (2:00:41 - 2:00:42)
Just make sure you say your name and address.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:42 - 2:00:50)
Vicki Boynton Street. Um I just wondered, uh the parking space is gonna be numbered, assigned parking?

[Speaker 3] (2:00:51 - 2:00:55)
Um I don't think they will be, as the answer that. Will any of those spaces be assigned?

[Speaker 6] (2:00:55 - 2:01:08)
We typically do not at our properties unless there's an accommodation that's required from a medical condition with a doctor's note or whatever that process would be, but typically folks work it out um day by day.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:10 - 2:01:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:11 - 2:01:18)
That's, I'm a home health aide. I go to a lot of places. I have a lot of colleagues that stay overnight with patients.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:18 - 2:01:23)
I'm just thinking if it's all senior citizens, they could have,

[Speaker 5] (2:01:23 - 2:01:26)
you know, a nurse overnight or a nurse's aide for four hours.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:27 - 2:01:36)
I'm on Boynton, but we've got a new house coming in with more traffic. So even the overflow from ours is going to, it's usually pretty empty,

[Speaker 5] (2:01:36 - 2:01:37)
Boynton Street,

[Speaker 5] (2:01:37 - 2:01:38)
but not when that new.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:39 - 2:01:40)
Building gets filled up.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:42 - 2:01:42)
Can

[Speaker 5] (2:01:42 - 2:01:42)
It's

[Speaker 6] (2:01:42 - 2:01:42)
I?

[Speaker 5] (2:01:42 - 2:01:44)
just going to be a lot of traffic, but

[Speaker 6] (2:01:44 - 2:01:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:44 - 2:01:45)
that's the world we're living in.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:46 - 2:01:47)
I guess for some more information

[Speaker 1] (2:01:47 - 2:01:48)
how Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:48 - 2:02:15)
our property our other properties work typically the residents get a sticker so that it shows that they're residents and are allowed to park in the parking lot in an unassigned space and often have visitors sign in and get a guest placard and in the event that our parking lot is used by people for other reasons we have contracts with towing

[Speaker 6] (2:02:14 - 2:02:18)
showing companies to tow people without these stickers or visitor

[Speaker 6] (2:02:19 - 2:02:20)
authorization.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:25 - 2:02:26)
Are there any more questions?

[Speaker 7] (2:02:33 - 2:02:34)
Can you just get the microphone?

[Speaker 3] (2:02:34 - 2:02:34)
The microphone, please.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:37 - 2:02:37)
Hold on, hold on.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:39 - 2:02:41)
Sorry, can I ask one more question?

[Speaker 8] (2:02:41 - 2:02:41)
Cesar Mejia.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:41 - 2:02:43)
Someone someone's asking a question here,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:43 - 2:02:44)
but I'll call on you. I see your hand is up. Thank you

[Speaker 1] (2:02:48 - 2:02:50)
This is my first zoning board appeal meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:52 - 2:02:56)
I've heard several times that the developers have met with community members.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:57 - 2:03:03)
I don't know what community members or neighbors they've met with. I don't think they've met with anybody who actually lives around the building.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:03 - 2:03:06)
I'm wondering if this isn't the appropriate.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:06 - 2:03:14)
But maybe we could set up a meeting after to tell you talk about like our personal concerns of the neighbourhood.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:15 - 2:03:27)
Yeah, that's definitely something um I d yeah you have held have you held public meetings with um I know there's been select board meetings, but j with that are just sort of um with the presid with the abutters?

[Speaker 6] (2:03:28 - 2:03:33)
Yes, and community meetings with Marzi and Gino at Reach Arts most recently. Some of you were there.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:35 - 2:03:38)
that it was my understanding all the direct neighbors were invited to.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:39 - 2:03:46)
But we are also willing to, folks that were there hopefully got an email from our team willing to meet individually.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:46 - 2:03:47)
We'd be happy to meet with you individually,

[Speaker 6] (2:03:48 - 2:03:50)
so please let's talk after this.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:51 - 2:03:52)
Great, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:53 - 2:03:57)
And then we had one person online with their hand up, but it's down now.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:59 - 2:04:00)
Sorry, yeah, I do

[Speaker 3] (2:04:00 - 2:04:00)
Hi.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:00 - 2:04:14)
have one question. I don't know if I missed it in earlier briefings, but is there like a shadow study where we can see what houses are being fully affected? Because right now I get a lot of sunlight through my front window.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:15 - 2:04:19)
So I want to see how that's going to affect us with this massive building.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:20 - 2:04:28)
Yeah, we d we have not received a shadow study as part of our packet, so that may be something that we can request from um from the um developer.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:29 - 2:04:30)
But no, that is not something we currently have.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
Did you plan to do one?

[Speaker 8] (2:04:36 - 2:04:36)
We can.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:37 - 2:04:37)
You like it?

[Speaker 3] (2:04:38 - 2:04:38)
Yeah, I think that would be

[Speaker 4] (2:04:39 - 2:04:41)
I I I think it would be helpful,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:41 - 2:04:41)
be helpful.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:41 - 2:04:41)
you know, we get

[Speaker 4] (2:04:43 - 2:04:46)
Just getting in front of issues. I don't want to wait till five months and then

[Speaker 9] (2:04:46 - 2:04:46)
We're

[Speaker 4] (2:04:46 - 2:04:47)
find

[Speaker 9] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
not

[Speaker 4] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
out.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
again.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:47 - 2:04:54)
We'll put it into our software and we'll print out a plan that shows what the shadows look like.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:56 - 2:04:57)
Great, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:59 - 2:05:01)
All right, are there any more questions while

[Speaker 4] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
we have

[Speaker 4] (2:05:01 - 2:05:02)
say you have three didn't you?

[Speaker 1] (2:05:03 - 2:05:08)
Yes, if you just state your state your name and you're going to need a microphone. Is there does anybody have one here?

[Speaker 5] (2:05:08 - 2:05:12)
Yeah, I'd like to know where the bedroom was going.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:12 - 2:05:16)
I think it's sad that they're building away.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:18 - 2:05:18)
If you just

[Speaker 5] (2:05:18 - 2:05:19)
None of them wanted

[Speaker 1] (2:05:19 - 2:05:19)
state your

[Speaker 5] (2:05:19 - 2:05:19)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:05:19 - 2:05:19)
name

[Speaker 5] (2:05:19 - 2:05:19)
go.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:19 - 2:05:20)
so

[Speaker 5] (2:05:20 - 2:05:23)
And I'm wondering where they're going to stick them.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:24 - 2:05:28)
My name is Jean Ledger. I've been in Swamp Scott for 84.

[Speaker 10] (2:05:28 - 2:05:32)
For years I've been a town meeting member,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:32 - 2:05:34)
founder of Little League,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:34 - 2:05:37)
Char Improvement Association,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:37 - 2:05:38)
pardon

[Speaker 3] (2:05:38 - 2:05:44)
So we are currently not hearing anything about the new location for the, we

[Speaker 10] (2:05:44 - 2:05:44)
me?

[Speaker 3] (2:05:44 - 2:05:53)
are not, this right currently the petition in front of us is for the Veterans Crossing, which is a housing development.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:53 - 2:05:55)
The veterans.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:56 - 2:06:04)
The VFW that was on that location is being moved. I don't know any of the definite plans for that. That hasn't come before our board yet.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:04 - 2:06:05)
We don't have jurisdiction.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:05 - 2:06:15)
And we don't have jurisdiction over that at this meeting or ever unless it comes before us. But so that is not part of this hearing.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:16 - 2:06:19)
But it's definitely something that you can ask.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:19 - 2:06:21)
So you have no idea,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:21 - 2:06:22)
you're taking their...

[Speaker 10] (2:06:23 - 2:06:32)
Their, you know, their place that you gave them in good faith and you're taking it away and nobody knows where they're going to stick them.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:32 - 2:06:32)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:06:32 - 2:06:33)
I got to say I am.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:34 - 2:06:46)
didn't take anything from anyone we're a volunteer board here but we are here hearing this particular project but there is a lot of discussion I know about that project I think the select board is probably your best way into finding more information

[Speaker 10] (2:06:46 - 2:06:59)
My husband was a veteran and went around the world submerged in the historic voyage of around the world in 80 days by Captain Beach and they made a movie of it and he's a swamp kid.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:59 - 2:07:08)
Veteran and Swamps get fellow and also we had Joey Hogue who died on the stretcher that went down 10 steps.

[Speaker 10] (2:07:09 - 2:07:35)
and and was crushed and he died and he was a Swampscott fellow and I I want to I want to see that our veterans get something out of it you know they're utilizing the words veterans like they're you know good guys and and doing something for the veterans but the veterans and utilizing the name veterans to name you know what they're building

[Speaker 10] (2:07:35 - 2:07:39)
But the poor veterans are not getting anything out of it.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:39 - 2:07:40)
So the, so that the.

[Speaker 10] (2:07:40 - 2:07:43)
Recharge is a terrible fit,

[Speaker 10] (2:07:43 - 2:07:45)
and there's no elevator.

[Speaker 10] (2:07:45 - 2:07:48)
So maybe B'nai B'rith will...

[Speaker 10] (2:07:49 - 2:07:54)
by the elevator to put in the old reach out building maybe

[Speaker 3] (2:07:55 - 2:08:03)
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that project, but I do know that the veterans aspect of this project is that there is a veterans preference.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:03 - 2:08:08)
If you qualify under the income threshold and you're a veteran,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:08 - 2:08:11)
you will get preference to this housing before anybody else.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:11 - 2:08:14)
So that's where the veterans part of this project comes in.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:14 - 2:08:15)
But what...

[Speaker 3] (2:08:16 - 2:08:25)
Uh any sort of V_F_W_ or um space like that is not being addressed by this board. Definitely talk to the select board for more information.

[Speaker 10] (2:08:26 - 2:08:28)
Well, I just hope that the veterans,

[Speaker 10] (2:08:28 - 2:08:31)
none of them want to leave there.

[Speaker 10] (2:08:31 - 2:08:33)
I don't know what anyone's saying,

[Speaker 10] (2:08:33 - 2:08:38)
but none of the veterans want to leave that nice building that they have.

[Speaker 10] (2:08:38 - 2:08:46)
I thought this building, I think at one time it was being discussed it was going to be 20 units. Now it's 40 units.

[Speaker 10] (2:08:46 - 2:08:48)
I don't mind the 20 units.

[Speaker 10] (2:08:48 - 2:08:50)
And then we got...

[Speaker 10] (2:08:52 - 2:08:58)
Dunkin' Taras, which is a shithole, which I wouldn't, I wouldn't put,

[Speaker 10] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
I wouldn't, I'm a

[Speaker 2] (2:09:05 - 2:09:16)
So if you please if you have any questions about this particular project then we're here we've got these people here to answer them for us but anything else will have to be another board would address

[Speaker 1] (2:09:17 - 2:09:22)
I mean I think we ought to know where we're sticking the veterans before we take their property

[Speaker 1] (2:09:23 - 2:09:25)
I know it's town property,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:25 - 2:09:27)
but it was given to the veterans for

[Speaker 2] (2:09:27 - 2:09:28)
Yeah, we'll definitely report

[Speaker 1] (2:09:28 - 2:09:29)
their pleasure.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:29 - 2:09:30)
about that.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:31)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:31 - 2:09:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:32 - 2:09:35)
Are there any other questions that anybody has?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:37 - 2:09:40)
You make it so people as well that this isn't their last opportunity and

[Speaker 2] (2:09:40 - 2:09:40)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:40 - 2:09:40)
use so

[Speaker 2] (2:09:40 - 2:09:41)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:41 - 2:09:42)
we're going to get more information.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:42 - 2:10:02)
Yes, so yeah, we're going to be collecting more information from the developer and there will be um there will be this hearing will get continued to next month where some of the requests we've just made like a shadow study and things like that if they're ready will be presented. Um and we are also going to meet with our consultant and see if there's any other things that that um we may request.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:03 - 2:10:08)
Um and so there will be another opportunity to hear some more answers to your questions and to ask more.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:12 - 2:10:12)
If I may

[Speaker 2] (2:10:12 - 2:10:13)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:13 - 2:10:30)
just comment, uh I uh I understand you you had suggested that there might be some limited peer review, um what we don't want to do is is hopefully not wait for next month to deal with that and I just didn't know whether it'd be possible to uh for the board to authorise, perhaps Marty Marcy to

[Speaker 4] (2:10:31 - 2:10:33)
to work on that between now and the next meeting.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:33 - 2:10:34)
Yeah, that is the plan.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:34 - 2:10:34)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:34 - 2:10:47)
When we get, when we, unfortunately the consultant that we hired wasn't available to for this meeting, so we wanna make sure that uh we have an opportunity to discuss with them and any sort of peer review and anything um that we haven't requested that we haven't talked about.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:48 - 2:10:53)
today requesting um gets requested before next meeting so you can get on that so we're not behind.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:53 - 2:10:58)
Right, it seems like the sewer and the culvert definitely peer review are going to be looking for, I would expect,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:58 - 2:10:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:10:58 - 2:10:58)
right? And

[Speaker 2] (2:10:58 - 2:10:59)
definitely.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:59 - 2:11:11)
and then it seems like there's a bit with maybe traffic peer review with talking about access and having somebody else get another set of eyes on it. Seems like those are likely.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:11 - 2:11:13)
Those are likely peer review, yes. Um

[Speaker 2] (2:11:16 - 2:11:23)
And then anything once we once we'll we'll make sure we get that quickly so we're not we're not losing a month um by not having the consultant here today.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:23 - 2:11:24)
Appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:24 - 2:11:25)
We appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:25 - 2:11:27)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:28 - 2:11:30)
If no one has any more questions,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:30 - 2:11:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:31 - 2:11:32)
we're going to

[Speaker 3] (2:11:32 - 2:11:33)
Yes to continue

[Speaker 2] (2:11:33 - 2:11:36)
we're going to continue this to our

[Speaker 2] (2:11:37 - 2:11:40)
I'm gonna say the right date. October

[Speaker 3] (2:11:43 - 2:11:44)
21. I have a mic

[Speaker 2] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
Yep,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
calendar.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:44 - 2:11:46)
October twenty first.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:47 - 2:11:48)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:54 - 2:11:59)
to our twenty first um ZBA meeting. If we can just get a motion to continue.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:59 - 2:12:00)
I'll make a motion to continue.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:00 - 2:12:01)
Alright, can we have a second?

[Speaker 6] (2:12:01 - 2:12:02)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:02 - 2:12:03)
All in favour?

[Speaker 3] (2:12:03 - 2:12:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:03 - 2:12:03)
None.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:03 - 2:12:04)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:12:04 - 2:12:04)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:04 - 2:12:06)
would would that be here?

[Speaker 2] (2:12:06 - 2:12:06)
That will be here.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:06 - 2:12:07)
At

[Speaker 2] (2:12:07 - 2:12:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:07 - 2:12:08)
seven, okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:08 - 2:12:09)
At seven o'clock, yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:09 - 2:12:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:09 - 2:12:10)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:10 - 2:12:11)
Alright, thank you everybody.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:11 - 2:12:11)
Thank you all.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:11 - 2:12:13)
We're gonna have a motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:13 - 2:12:14)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:14 - 2:12:14)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:14 - 2:12:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:15 - 2:12:15)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:15 - 2:12:16)
All in favour.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:17 - 2:12:17)
Thank you.