[Speaker 1] (4:42 - 4:51)
Thank you. Good evening. Welcome to the September 17th meeting of the select board. Um we are being recorded. If you would please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Speaker 2] (4:51 - 4:52)
Please stand and let's go.

[Speaker 1] (4:54 - 4:56)
I pledge allegiance to the flag

[Speaker 2] (4:56 - 4:58)
of the United States of America,

[Speaker 1] (4:58 - 5:00)
and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation,

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under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 1] (5:08 - 5:11)
Okay, a couple of quick housekeeping announcements before we start.

[Speaker 1] (5:12 - 5:14)
For those of you who are not with us in the building,

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it is curriculum night here at the high school.

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So you, from time to time, may hear the bell ring and ask people to move on to the next location or class.

[Speaker 1] (5:24 - 5:27)
That's not for us, but we are glad to be here.

[Speaker 1] (5:27 - 5:37)
And it's very well attended when I pulled into the parking lot. I thought, could it be that all these people are here for the select board? Alas, not such luck, but here we are.

[Speaker 1] (5:37 - 5:41)
Um alright. Uh also

[Speaker 1] (5:41 - 5:50)
Very quickly, I would like to acknowledge that tonight is my husband's birthday and he is home with the kids and happy

[Speaker 3] (5:50 - 5:51)
Happy birthday,

[Speaker 3] (5:51 - 5:51)
John.

[Speaker 1] (5:51 - 5:52)
birthday,

[Speaker 1] (5:52 - 5:52)
John.

[Speaker 2] (5:52 - 5:53)
What a great place to be.

[Speaker 1] (5:54 - 5:58)
And I know we did this on David's wife's birthday,

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for example.

[Speaker 1] (5:59 - 6:07)
Just acknowledge the support structure it takes for all of us to be here all the time and how appreciative we are for that support structure so that we can serve you guys.

[Speaker 1] (6:07 - 6:11)
Hats off to John and all the other supports that we have.

[Speaker 1] (6:11 - 6:16)
All right, moving on to a reading of the National Hispanic Month proclamation.

[Speaker 1] (6:17 - 6:20)
Would any of my members care to do the reading?

[Speaker 4] (6:20 - 6:20)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (6:21 - 6:22)
Thank you, Doug.

[Speaker 5] (6:24 - 6:25)
National Hispanic Heritage Month,

[Speaker 5] (6:25 - 6:26)
proclamation by the Select Board.

[Speaker 5] (6:27 - 6:33)
Whereas each year Americans observe National Hispanic Heritage Month by celebrating the histories, cultures,

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and contributions of American citizens whose ancestors came from Spain,

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Mexico,

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the Caribbean,

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Central and South America,

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and whereas for the first time in our town's history we recognize Hispanic people here and anywhere in the United States.

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As we pay respect to the cultures and populations and celebrate the contributions of all Hispanic peoples to the culture of diversity,

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innovation and resilience that has had an indelible impact on the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and United States.

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And whereas the observation started in 1968 as Hispanic Heritage Week under President Lyndon B. Johnson and was expanded by President Ronald Reagan in 1988.

[Speaker 5] (7:08 - 7:19)
Through the legislative encouragement of Congressmember Esteban Torres of California to cover the period at which it is celebrated today and whereas nearly 480 years ago

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The recorded Hispanic heritage has been a part of the DNA of American culture with undeniable influence in education,

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public safety,

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infrastructure,

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economic development,

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culinary arts and governance and whereas in the words of Cesar Chavez,

[Speaker 5] (7:33 - 7:39)
preservation of one's own culture does not require contempt or disrespect for other cultures.

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Just a pregnant pause,

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purposeful there for a minute.

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and thus celebrate the contributions of the robust Hispanic diaspora to include Spain,

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Puerto Rico, Costa Rica,

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Guatemala,

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Honduras,

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Nicaragua, Panama,

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El Salvador,

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Bolivia,

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Chile,

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Colombia,

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Ecuador,

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Paraguay, Peru,

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Uruguay, Venezuela, and now therefore on behalf of the entire Select Board,

[Speaker 5] (8:04 - 8:10)
we do hereby proclaim September 15th through October 15th, 2025 as National Hispanic Heritage Month.

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And the town of Swamp Scott, Massachusetts,

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and encourage all faith-based and nonprofit organizations,

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residents,

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businesses, and public institutions to acknowledge,

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honor,

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value,

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and celebrate Hispanic people's historic and current contributions locally and beyond, while also recognizing the ongoing and interconnected struggles of all Hispanic communities locally and beyond.

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In witness whereof, we have hereunto set our hands and caused to be affixed the great seal of the town of Spomscott,

[Speaker 5] (8:37 - 8:37)
Massachusetts,

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the 17th day of September 2025,

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Spomscott Select Board,

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Katie David,

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Mary Ellen,

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Danielle,

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myself,

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and Gino.

[Speaker 1] (8:51 - 8:58)
I guess, given the pregnant pause, I will just comment also that these proclamations are not perfunctory,

[Speaker 1] (8:58 - 9:03)
right? They're meaningful to the board and they're meaningful to the town to acknowledge the different cultures,

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the different nationalities,

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the different religions,

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the different, even the different struggles. We have all sorts of, you know, mental health proclamations and.

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And they're important to remind folks to look outside themselves,

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right,

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if it's not already

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If it's not.

[Speaker 1] (9:25 - 9:41)
So I would love if just to make that point and to acknowledge that each of these is presented to the public to acknowledge to look outside yourself and to acknowledge the beauty and love and kindness in other cultures and things that affect us.

[Speaker 6] (9:42 - 9:43)
Here, here.

[Speaker 1] (9:43 - 9:47)
Thank you. All right, moving on to the town administrator's report.

[Speaker 7] (9:48 - 9:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (9:49 - 9:49)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 7] (9:49 - 9:54)
I am pleased to offer the following report on programs and initiatives that are ongoing in the town of Swatford.

[Speaker 6] (9:56 - 9:59)
This past Thursday, September 11th, the fire department held a memorial service.

[Speaker 1] (10:08 - 10:09)
Thank you, Graham,

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instrumental in that.

[Speaker 1] (10:12 - 10:17)
I met with the library union last Wednesday to continue collective bargaining.

[Speaker 2] (10:20 - 10:20)
I agree.

[Speaker 1] (10:20 - 10:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (10:22 - 10:23)
That's my part.

[Speaker 1] (10:25 - 10:27)
This was our third bargain in session.

[Speaker 1] (10:27 - 10:33)
Future bargain in sessions will be put on hold until our new town administrator can attend.

[Speaker 1] (10:34 - 10:41)
Sheila Billings with the assistance of DPW staff painted a wonderful mural on the DPW garage wall facing Paradise Road.

[Speaker 1] (10:42 - 10:45)
We have received a lot of positive feedback regarding the mural.

[Speaker 1] (10:45 - 10:47)
She'll be wrapping it up this week.

[Speaker 1] (10:48 - 10:49)
She's got the mural painted.

[Speaker 1] (10:49 - 10:50)
Now she's just going to...

[Speaker 1] (10:51 - 10:55)
The little description on the bottom that says public works makes it happen.

[Speaker 3] (10:55 - 10:56)
Yep, big blue wave.

[Speaker 1] (10:56 - 10:58)
That is big blue wave. Very good.

[Speaker 1] (11:00 - 11:01)
Trash update.

[Speaker 1] (11:01 - 11:06)
The Teamsters and Republic Services met again last week with the federal mediator.

[Speaker 1] (11:06 - 11:07)
Unfortunately,

[Speaker 1] (11:07 - 11:09)
nothing positive resulted from this meeting.

[Speaker 1] (11:10 - 11:16)
Republic provided expanded services to the town of Swampscott last week, which included curbside yard waste pickup.

[Speaker 1] (11:17 - 11:18)
However, as been the norm,

[Speaker 1] (11:18 - 11:22)
several streets were missed due to the new drivers not being familiar with the routes.

[Speaker 1] (11:22 - 11:29)
If a resident was missed last week, please contact customer service or the DPW office.

[Speaker 1] (11:30 - 11:40)
The DPW ad will continue to be open for recyclable drop-off on Fridays from 3 p.m. to 7 p.m. and both Saturday and Sunday from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.

[Speaker 1] (11:41 - 11:41)
DPW,

[Speaker 1] (11:41 - 11:48)
the SRF grant application, which is on the consent agenda tonight for the board to sign,

[Speaker 1] (11:48 - 11:50)
the DPW, along with its consultant,

[Speaker 1] (11:50 - 11:52)
Kleinfelder, has appointed

[Speaker 1] (11:52 - 12:03)
It was applied for a three point five million dollar grant to continue rehabilitating, compromise sewer mains and laterals that may be contributing to bacterial discharge onto King's Beach.

[Speaker 1] (12:05 - 12:12)
Aquias, infrastructure management's team of divers was in town this week and cleaned the bottom of the water tank of sediment.

[Speaker 1] (12:12 - 12:19)
There wasn't a lot of sediment there last cleaned probably about three years ago, but they said there was about a quarter inch of sediment in the bottom of the tank.

[Speaker 1] (12:20 - 12:26)
Replay Maintenance USA was in town late last week to repair the torn seams on the turf field at Blocksidge,

[Speaker 1] (12:27 - 12:37)
and Grenison Sons was on Essex Street over the past couple of weeks making repairs to the saw main as part of the Phase 2A Stacey Brooks Saw Main Rehabilitation Project.

[Speaker 1] (12:38 - 12:39)
Community Development,

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Pine Street.

[Speaker 1] (12:41 - 12:47)
B'nai Brith Housing has submitted a comprehensive permit application to the Zoning Board and a Notice of Intent to the Conservation Commission.

[Speaker 1] (12:48 - 12:54)
On Tuesday, September 16th, the ZBA held its first public meeting to hear the petition.

[Speaker 1] (12:55 - 13:04)
Town staff worked closely with the ZBA to secure funding from the Massachusetts Housing Partnership to engage a consultant with expertise in Chapter 40B permitting.

[Speaker 1] (13:05 - 13:06)
Hawthorne Forum,

[Speaker 1] (13:07 - 13:13)
the second public forum on the Hawthorne Redevelopment Project will take place on Thursday,

[Speaker 1] (13:13 - 13:15)
September 18th, tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (13:15 - 13:27)
From 7 a.m. 7 p.m. to 10 p.m., in the Swampscott High School auditorium, I invite all residents to attend and view the latest renderings of what the redevelopment could look like.

[Speaker 1] (13:28 - 13:29)
Master plan form.

[Speaker 1] (13:30 - 13:32)
Please save the date of Wednesday,

[Speaker 1] (13:32 - 13:37)
October 16th for a public meeting to discuss updates to Swampscot's master plan.

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The meeting is tentatively scheduled to be held at the new elementary school.

[Speaker 1] (13:41 - 13:48)
This will offer residents an opportunity to both help shape the vision for Swampscot's future and tour the new school facility.

[Speaker 1] (13:48 - 13:50)
More details will be shared soon.

[Speaker 1] (13:51 - 13:55)
Library has onboarded two new employees,

[Speaker 1] (13:55 - 13:56)
Nathaniel Snow,

[Speaker 1] (13:56 - 13:57)
who is the new library assistant,

[Speaker 1] (13:58 - 14:00)
and Whitney Wilkinson, the new library aide.

[Speaker 1] (14:00 - 14:04)
There is still a full-time position open for head of technical services.

[Speaker 1] (14:06 - 14:16)
Bids were opened for the library entry redesign project on September 12th. The contract has not been awarded as references are being checked. However,

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:19)
MJS Construction is the apparent low bidder.

[Speaker 1] (14:20 - 14:29)
The library is resumed Saturday hours as of September thirteenth and will be open every Saturday until May thirtieth two thousand sixteen.

[Speaker 1] (14:29 - 14:31)
Saturday hours are from nine a.m.

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to three p.m.

[Speaker 1] (14:33 - 14:42)
The murder mystery program with Delvina Theatre Company was a success with almost fifty patrons attending the whodunit.

[Speaker 1] (14:43 - 14:46)
With September being National Library Card Signup Month,

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the library is partnering with local businesses to provide discounts to patrons who show their library card during the month.

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If you need a library card,

[Speaker 1] (14:54 - 14:57)
come to the library to sign up and learn more about this exciting initiative.

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Local businesses who would like to partner can reach out to the library to be included.

[Speaker 1] (15:02 - 15:05)
Please check the library's website for more information.

[Speaker 1] (15:06 - 15:12)
Health has offered three new programs this summer. Gentle Yoga for Adults.

[Speaker 1] (15:13 - 15:20)
Slow Flow and Restore Yoga for adults and Meditation for adults. All three programs are supported through ARPA funding.

[Speaker 1] (15:21 - 15:31)
New program includes free support groups and free group therapy program for Swampscott residents 18 and above in coordination with and still we rise.

[Speaker 1] (15:32 - 15:38)
The annual high-dose flu clinic for ages 65 plus will be held on Thursday,

[Speaker 1] (15:38 - 15:42)
September 25th from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. at the Senior Center.

[Speaker 1] (15:42 - 15:44)
Registration is required.

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Please visit the Health Department's website or call the Senior Center at 781-596-8866 to register.

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Recreation.

[Speaker 1] (15:54 - 16:00)
The town-wide yard sale is this Saturday, 8 a.m. to noon with a rain date of September 27.

[Speaker 1] (16:01 - 16:06)
Visit swampscottrec.com for the map of participating locations.

[Speaker 1] (16:07 - 16:12)
The sixth annual Porch Fest is also scheduled for this Saturday, September 20,

[Speaker 1] (16:12 - 16:16)
featuring 26 locations with 35 bands.

[Speaker 1] (16:16 - 16:20)
Visit swampscottporchfest.org for the schedule and the map.

[Speaker 1] (16:22 - 16:25)
New this year, the Swamp Scott Doggy Dip on Eisman's Beach.

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Dogs, big and small,

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are invited to celebrate the return of dogs to the beach.

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There will be giveaways and local selling goodies treats.

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Log on to swampscottrec.com for times and rules.

[Speaker 1] (16:39 - 16:49)
The annual Swampscott Classic Car Show is scheduled for Sunday, October 12th, 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. with a rain date of Sunday,

[Speaker 1] (16:49 - 16:51)
October 19th, same time,

[Speaker 1] (16:51 - 16:52)
10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

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Human resources.

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Human resources conducted a workers'

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comp audit. The workers'

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comp audit was recently completed by Marianne McMaster.

[Speaker 1] (17:02 - 17:05)
For the Massachusetts Education and Government Association,

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information required for this audit included description of operations,

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list of all employees,

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duties of each employee,

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employee earnings reports,

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and quarterly payroll tax returns.

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D.E.I. updates.

[Speaker 1] (17:22 - 17:30)
We are in the final stages of our strategy sessions. Over the past two Fridays, we already set has had two calls with Danielle Leonard,

[Speaker 1] (17:30 - 17:31)
Marianne McGraster,

[Speaker 1] (17:31 - 17:32)
and Charlotte DeHart.

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They were given homework for each call.

[Speaker 1] (17:35 - 17:48)
Marianne has submitted the objectives of these goals this week and she will be completing the actions, accountability measures and metrics for each object. Once that is finished, ready set will review the content content and draft our roadmap.

[Speaker 1] (17:51 - 17:55)
Recent hires. We recently hired a library assistant, as I mentioned earlier,

[Speaker 1] (17:56 - 17:58)
Nathaniel Snow; a library aide,

[Speaker 1] (17:58 - 18:09)
Whitney Wilkinson; and a recent hire was the land use and development planner who has yet to start, but will be starting on October 1st, Timothy Milken.

[Speaker 1] (18:10 - 18:12)
We still have a few open positions,

[Speaker 1] (18:12 - 18:13)
such as the town accountant,

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assistant town accountant,

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the town assessor, the head of library services.

[Speaker 1] (18:20 - 18:25)
Public Safety Administrative Assistant with both police and fire, although that's just one opening.

[Speaker 1] (18:26 - 18:32)
Fire Department is planning for three to four new hires due to manning requirements,

[Speaker 1] (18:32 - 18:35)
and the Police Department currently has four vacancies.

[Speaker 1] (18:38 - 18:43)
Fire currently is in the process of filling the aforementioned Administrative Assistant position.

[Speaker 1] (18:44 - 18:51)
Police department. The entire police department successfully completed mandatory active shooter training at the former Hadley School.

[Speaker 1] (18:51 - 18:53)
This was done with the assistance of Max Casper.

[Speaker 1] (18:53 - 18:54)
Thank you, Max.

[Speaker 1] (18:54 - 18:56)
Oral boards will be held on Monday,

[Speaker 1] (18:56 - 18:57)
September 22.

[Speaker 1] (18:58 - 19:07)
Eight candidates are scheduled for the oral boards. A newly hired student officer will begin the NECC Academy on October 14,

[Speaker 1] (19:07 - 19:08)
2025.

[Speaker 1] (19:09 - 19:38)
Traffic common controls were installed on Franklin Ave at Stetson Ave as well as Norfolk Ave at Stetson Ave to continue to address speeding on all three streets. And finally, with the mention, with immigration enforcement issues escalating around the country I would like to brief the select board on the Swampscott Police Department's policy regarding federal immigration enforcement. The Swampscott PD will not assist ICE or our federal law enforcement partners in immigration enforcement measures.

[Speaker 1] (19:39 - 19:46)
Accordingly, the Somerville Police Department will also not impede or obstruct ICE or our federal law enforcement partners with their operations.

[Speaker 1] (19:48 - 19:52)
We have Joe Cable in the audience and he can elaborate more if the board pleases.

[Speaker 2] (19:55 - 20:11)
I think that would be helpful for a couple minutes, um just I know there was a lot of alarm um you know with what happened in Marblehead, it's been happening in Lynn, probably in Salem too. Um so I think it would just be good to make sure that people are aware of what to do and what not to do.

[Speaker 3] (20:13 - 20:15)
Uh one second, Captain Cable. Can we get Captain Cable microphone please?

[Speaker 2] (20:15 - 20:16)
That's right.

[Speaker 3] (20:18 - 20:19)
Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (20:21 - 20:22)
I appreciate it.

[Speaker 3] (20:23 - 20:26)
Only the folks at home can hear what's very important.

[Speaker 4] (20:29 - 20:36)
I want to thank you for the opportunity to be here and address this critical issue right now. I know it's very important to our community.

[Speaker 4] (20:37 - 20:41)
Chief Casada regrets his inability to attend. He had a mandatory and pre-scheduled training today,

[Speaker 4] (20:41 - 20:44)
but he is directly in.

[Speaker 4] (20:45 - 21:02)
involved himself in this particular thing. This discussion isn't directed or brought about by any recent ICE activity in Swampscott or anticipated activity in Swampscott. We have no information that they intend to conduct any operations here at this time. However,

[Speaker 4] (21:02 - 21:12)
they have not generally been advising local police departments ahead of time, so we have prepared our set of policies to be sure that we're ready when it does happen.

[Speaker 4] (21:13 - 21:23)
um while we don't usually get notified by ICE, we have requested that they do so. The chief of police did that directly since a lack of notice could create a dangerous situation.

[Speaker 4] (21:24 - 21:24)
The

[Speaker 4] (21:26 - 21:30)
Question of what role does the Swampscott Police Department have in federal immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 4] (21:30 - 21:32)
The short answer is absolutely none.

[Speaker 4] (21:32 - 21:45)
The Swampscott Police Department's sole focus is on the safety and well-being of our residents and we understand that that goal requires trust and confidence in interacting and providing information with us and that trust and confidence is best achieved by ensuring all persons,

[Speaker 4] (21:45 - 21:50)
especially witnesses and victims, are willing to cooperate and provide information to us,

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regardless of any immigration status concerns.

[Speaker 4] (21:53 - 22:14)
For this reason, we leave the enforcement of immigration law to those tasked with enforcing it at the federal level. The Swampscott police does not share any information at all regarding immigration status with any federal agency. No person making any report to the Swampscott police need have any concern whatsoever that their interactions with us will result in any information being shared.

[Speaker 4] (22:15 - 22:18)
The Mass SJC issued a decision in 2017,

[Speaker 4] (22:18 - 22:19)
Commonwealth v.

[Speaker 4] (22:19 - 22:19)
Loon,

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that established there is no role for local or state law enforcement enforcing civil immigration law.

[Speaker 4] (22:25 - 22:29)
The case went so far as to call any detention made in such a case to be an unlawful arrest.

[Speaker 4] (22:30 - 22:41)
Federal law enforcement cannot require assistance by local law enforcement. There are several Supreme Court cases that say that they cannot commandeer local police. But there's also three statutes under 18 USC.

[Speaker 4] (22:41 - 22:47)
that would prohibit the police from interfering with federal immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 4] (22:48 - 22:50)
ICE even recently targeted a police officer in Maine,

[Speaker 4] (22:50 - 22:52)
as you're probably all aware,

[Speaker 4] (22:52 - 22:55)
with local officials and police being powerless to intervene.

[Speaker 4] (22:56 - 22:58)
So for the Swampscott Police,

[Speaker 4] (22:58 - 23:12)
what residents can expect is that we will not in any way be actively sharing any information that would result in federal enforcement agents being coming aware of anyone's immigration status.

[Speaker 4] (23:13 - 23:24)
We know that these situations, if they do come to town, will be emotional and volatile, and we will meet our basic obligation to ensure peace and safety. This includes the safety of the public and law enforcement officers on the federal level.

[Speaker 4] (23:24 - 23:43)
level, uh residents can incl uh be assured that we will document any scene we respond to to ensure the courts have the information needed to ensure fairness, justice, and accountability. However, everybody has to understand that we cannot tolerate chaos or physical obstruction or physical assaults, and we will not allow that to persist.

[Speaker 4] (23:44 - 23:50)
But we will be understanding and patient to the greatest extent possible in any such emotional scene.

[Speaker 4] (23:51 - 23:54)
So any questions as to that?

[Speaker 2] (23:56 - 23:58)
Thank you very much, Captain Cable. I appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (23:59 - 24:09)
Just one thing in terms of, I know it's many people are wondering whether or not what they should do if they witness something happening.

[Speaker 2] (24:09 - 24:13)
Can you just briefly comment in terms of what people should and shouldn't do in that situation?

[Speaker 4] (24:14 - 24:15)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (24:16 - 24:18)
First of all, if anybody sees anything happening,

[Speaker 4] (24:18 - 24:21)
especially some of these raids where we've seen with plainclothes people and masked people,

[Speaker 4] (24:22 - 24:25)
don't approach, don't assume that it's anything,

[Speaker 4] (24:25 - 24:26)
and just call us,

[Speaker 4] (24:27 - 24:28)
and as I said, we'll respond,

[Speaker 4] (24:28 - 24:29)
we'll document the scene,

[Speaker 4] (24:29 - 24:32)
we'll be recording it, and we'll ensure everybody's safety.

[Speaker 4] (24:34 - 24:38)
Certainly feel free to record federal law enforcement as you would us.

[Speaker 4] (24:38 - 24:46)
us and document the scene and make sure that everybody's rights are respected and everybody's treated appropriately, um but no one should attempt to intervene personally.

[Speaker 4] (24:47 - 24:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (24:51 - 24:53)
Any additional questions for Captain Cable?

[Speaker 3] (24:55 - 24:56)
Thank you, Captain Cable. Appreciate the update.

[Speaker 4] (24:57 - 24:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (24:57 - 24:57)
How

[Speaker 4] (24:57 - 24:57)
Take care.

[Speaker 3] (24:57 - 25:02)
about any other questions for you know on the Town Administrator's report?

[Speaker 5] (25:03 - 25:05)
I have just one.

[Speaker 3] (25:05 - 25:05)
Please.

[Speaker 5] (25:05 - 25:10)
It's really under DPW $3.5 million grants.

[Speaker 1] (25:10 - 25:12)
It's an S_R_F_ loan.

[Speaker 5] (25:12 - 25:12)
It's

[Speaker 1] (25:12 - 25:12)
It's a it's

[Speaker 5] (25:12 - 25:15)
a loan. I just I want to get everybody excited.

[Speaker 1] (25:15 - 25:15)
No.

[Speaker 5] (25:15 - 25:20)
But it's a loan at a very low interest rate and we are very lucky to be able to get it.

[Speaker 1] (25:20 - 25:22)
Well, hopefully we'll get it.

[Speaker 3] (25:22 - 25:22)
We will get it. We're applying.

[Speaker 5] (25:23 - 25:24)
We applied in August,

[Speaker 5] (25:24 - 25:24)
right?

[Speaker 1] (25:24 - 25:25)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (25:25 - 25:26)
For the first step.

[Speaker 1] (25:28 - 25:29)
Yeah, and it's going

[Speaker 6] (25:29 - 25:29)
to Right,

[Speaker 1] (25:29 - 25:30)
be very competitive

[Speaker 6] (25:30 - 25:34)
but we need now, over a long enough time, to talk about we have now entered a period of fear.

[Speaker 6] (25:35 - 25:40)
We do. So, and so, don't forget the VTF, the other QR code,

[Speaker 6] (25:40 - 25:44)
that's a giant sign in the main lobby, so that you don't get run into the main lobby. But

[Speaker 6] (25:45 - 25:46)
You don't be afraid to

[Speaker 1] (25:46 - 25:46)
Super

[Speaker 6] (25:46 - 25:46)
use it.

[Speaker 1] (25:46 - 25:46)
Tan Kelsher.

[Speaker 3] (25:46 - 25:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (25:47 - 25:50)
I have already ran into it, but we have entered a period of fear. Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (25:53 - 25:55)
Danielle, did you have any additional questions?

[Speaker 5] (25:55 - 25:56)
Um

[Speaker 3] (25:56 - 25:56)
I think.

[Speaker 5] (25:56 - 25:57)
no I don't.

[Speaker 3] (25:57 - 25:59)
Okay. Um Doug?

[Speaker 2] (26:00 - 26:07)
I'm reluctant to ask anything because I don't want to delay the meeting at all for you. Um but um um

[Speaker 5] (26:07 - 26:07)
Good.

[Speaker 2] (26:07 - 26:25)
and this may be uh if it gets to be too complicated we can pick it up next time. What is the status of uh the schools and the Clark school and the use and the lease and that whole situation? If that's a larger topic we should pick up next time, that's fine,

[Speaker 1] (26:25 - 26:27)
But it's actively being worked

[Speaker 2] (26:27 - 26:37)
been worked on right now and i because there was a lot of discussion we had at one point about what we would do and moving into the town or not and what to do with it and all of that so i don't want to like

[Speaker 5] (26:38 - 26:39)
It's under the jurisdiction of the schools.

[Speaker 2] (26:39 - 26:40)
right i understand

[Speaker 3] (26:40 - 26:40)
Right now. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (26:40 - 26:42)
I think the the

[Speaker 3] (26:42 - 26:51)
Gina, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the last conversation where it left was that we were perhaps muddling over the idea of having a grand sort of

[Speaker 2] (26:51 - 26:51)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (26:52 - 27:02)
meeting with the school committee, with Max and his team and all the parties. And so if that is still the direction that the majority of still

[Speaker 3] (27:02 - 27:07)
stakeholders that we've pulled thus far want to do then we should get that on the books for November or

[Speaker 1] (27:07 - 27:07)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (27:07 - 27:08)
October.

[Speaker 1] (27:08 - 27:12)
Yep. There may be in the short term we may be running some rep rep programs out of the building.

[Speaker 2] (27:13 - 27:13)
Cool.

[Speaker 2] (27:13 - 27:13)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (27:14 - 27:19)
Um I just have one question and it might be a follow-up but is there an update on the t the track?

[Speaker 1] (27:21 - 27:22)
No.

[Speaker 1] (27:23 - 27:23)
Nope.

[Speaker 3] (27:23 - 27:46)
Um so I know when aggregate um came and spoke to us they were interested in some uh philanthropy work and I know the track is a big expense um so if we could find out what the cost of the track may be and perhaps there's a partnership that we could engage aggregate to help us defray some of those costs in

[Speaker 3] (27:46 - 27:49)
I believe it's replace repair slash replacement whatever

[Speaker 1] (27:49 - 27:58)
Yeah, I did get an estimate last year for it and it ranges depending on the amenities from 1 million to 1.5 million dollars I know

[Speaker 3] (27:58 - 28:14)
Right so maybe I don't know how deep aggregates pockets were when they made that voluntary statement but let's see and maybe they could start us off on our fundraising efforts for the skate at the very least.

[Speaker 3] (28:17 - 28:18)
Okay. Um

[Speaker 5] (28:18 - 28:22)
The only other thing is whether or not it will qualify for any any grants.

[Speaker 3] (28:24 - 28:24)
Yeah, let's

[Speaker 1] (28:24 - 28:25)
It's like a mozzie.

[Speaker 3] (28:25 - 28:26)
Marble Marzi,

[Speaker 5] (28:26 - 28:26)
Yeah

[Speaker 3] (28:26 - 28:26)
yep.

[Speaker 5] (28:26 - 28:27)
on that one.

[Speaker 1] (28:28 - 28:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (28:28 - 28:34)
Fantastic. Um alright, let's move on if there's no objections to public comments.

[Speaker 3] (28:35 - 28:48)
Um I know we have a couple of people here for public comment, but I will just read very quickly, we had a public comment emailed to us, which is always an option, you can email selectboard at swampscottma.gov prior to or during the meeting and we will read public comments.

[Speaker 3] (28:50 - 28:53)
Well, not during the meeting, but if you get it to me before the meeting, we will.

[Speaker 3] (28:53 - 28:55)
Um, this public comment reads,

[Speaker 3] (28:55 - 28:55)
hello,

[Speaker 3] (28:55 - 29:02)
Andrea Moore, precinct three. Attached I have a photo showing the disrepair that the swings at Linscott Park are in.

[Speaker 3] (29:02 - 29:04)
Less than half of the swings are functional.

[Speaker 3] (29:04 - 29:08)
Tonight there are about eight children waiting to use these swings and crying,

[Speaker 3] (29:08 - 29:09)
uh,

[Speaker 3] (29:09 - 29:11)
unable to use them due to the broken state of them.

[Speaker 3] (29:11 - 29:16)
I know that there are plans in a in the mix for potentially changing or updating this with the new hotel,

[Speaker 3] (29:16 - 29:17)
but I would humbly request

[Speaker 8] (29:17 - 29:17)
that these swings are functional.

[Speaker 3] (29:17 - 29:19)
request that we have our current swing set in working order,

[Speaker 3] (29:19 - 29:27)
as it is one of the most used playground sets in town. It is worth a couple hundred dollars to get some new swings up as soon as possible. Thank you, Andrea Moore. Okay,

[Speaker 3] (29:29 - 29:29)
next.

[Speaker 3] (29:32 - 29:33)
Oh sorry, I should have said before I started,

[Speaker 3] (29:34 - 29:39)
public comment will be three minutes and please state your name and your address.

[Speaker 3] (29:40 - 29:41)
Lou, go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (29:46 - 29:49)
Hello, my name is Louis Drizzullo, 48 Farragut Road.

[Speaker 1] (29:49 - 29:50)
Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (29:52 - 29:59)
So my reason for wanting to come and speak to everybody is in regards to Forest Street,

[Speaker 1] (29:59 - 30:02)
Laurel Road, and Nason Street or Road?

[Speaker 2] (30:02 - 30:03)
Mason Ave.

[Speaker 1] (30:03 - 30:03)
Nason Ave,

[Speaker 3] (30:03 - 30:04)
Road.

[Speaker 1] (30:04 - 30:04)
sorry.

[Speaker 2] (30:04 - 30:05)
That's

[Speaker 1] (30:05 - 30:05)
Road.

[Speaker 2] (30:05 - 30:06)
Laurel Road,

[Speaker 2] (30:06 - 30:06)
Forest Ave, sorry.

[Speaker 1] (30:06 - 30:07)
There we go,

[Speaker 1] (30:07 - 30:07)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (30:09 - 30:09)
So...

[Speaker 1] (30:10 - 30:11)
The reason I wanted to come and speak,

[Speaker 1] (30:11 - 30:22)
I understand that there is no parking signs up that have been in place, but many have been continuing to park there despite the restrictions,

[Speaker 1] (30:22 - 30:37)
which I actually think that this was a good thing that happened because in this situation it has provided a valuable test that during the 30 minutes it typically takes to park, pick up your kids,

[Speaker 1] (30:37 - 30:38)
there has been no safety.

[Speaker 1] (30:39 - 30:40)
hazards whatsoever.

[Speaker 1] (30:40 - 31:07)
I have spoken with the police department to see if there was any safety issues and they confirmed that there haven't been any safety issues with that as I see now there is a police officer patrolling the area to ticket people if they park there which came at request by residents I believe but with limited busing and fewer available spaces

[Speaker 1] (31:08 - 31:19)
It's becoming increasingly difficult for parents, especially those who work full-time jobs or need to step away from a meeting to pick up their children quick to get back to a meeting and to manage the situation.

[Speaker 1] (31:20 - 31:23)
While some may suggest using the pickup line,

[Speaker 1] (31:23 - 31:28)
that option has grown longer and longer and it's more consuming,

[Speaker 1] (31:28 - 31:30)
more time consuming as well.

[Speaker 1] (31:31 - 31:33)
Also walking and biking,

[Speaker 1] (31:33 - 31:35)
it's sometimes not available for many,

[Speaker 1] (31:35 - 31:39)
many parents as well.

[Speaker 1] (31:40 - 31:42)
Additionally, for residents in the area,

[Speaker 1] (31:42 - 31:59)
the presence of parents and kids for the brief 30 minutes window that it takes to pick up your kid and get them in the car and take them home has not caused any harm or disruption in this test trial that I claim a test trial because people have been parking there.

[Speaker 1] (31:59 - 32:00)
Kids exit,

[Speaker 1] (32:00 - 32:01)
get in the car,

[Speaker 1] (32:01 - 32:02)
and head home.

[Speaker 1] (32:02 - 32:07)
There's been no significant impact or damage to the neighborhood in that area.

[Speaker 1] (32:08 - 32:12)
Basically, I'm just asking for support to reevaluate the situation,

[Speaker 1] (32:12 - 32:14)
especially with wintertime coming up.

[Speaker 1] (32:14 - 32:18)
I see that if you look at the middle school where the middle school is,

[Speaker 1] (32:19 - 32:24)
there's plenty of parking. You could park all the way up there, but those spots are already taken for the middle school. There's no problem.

[Speaker 1] (32:25 - 32:26)
But when you get closer to the new school,

[Speaker 1] (32:27 - 32:29)
there's many signs that you're not allowed to park there.

[Speaker 1] (32:30 - 32:34)
It only takes 30 minutes for someone to come in, get out, get the kid and go.

[Speaker 1] (32:34 - 32:38)
I mean, there has been no issues whatsoever.

[Speaker 1] (32:39 - 32:44)
My biggest feeling is that with wintertime coming up, it's going to get increasingly difficult,

[Speaker 1] (32:44 - 32:47)
especially if parents have to walk farther,

[Speaker 1] (32:47 - 32:48)
park farther away,

[Speaker 1] (32:49 - 32:51)
less spots means if there's snow piles,

[Speaker 1] (32:51 - 32:53)
all these things come into consideration.

[Speaker 1] (32:54 - 32:56)
I feel that after speaking with the police department,

[Speaker 1] (32:57 - 33:01)
I know that this was put in place, and I'm not 100% sure why,

[Speaker 1] (33:01 - 33:04)
but they wanted to do a test trial, and a test trial wasn't done.

[Speaker 1] (33:05 - 33:10)
But with this put in place, and now we see that effectively,

[Speaker 1] (33:10 - 33:15)
without the signs and with the car still parked in there, everything was fine.

[Speaker 1] (33:15 - 33:19)
There has been no disruption to the neighborhood. There's been no disruption to...

[Speaker 1] (33:20 - 33:29)
knock on wood any safety issues if anybody getting hurt I mean even with children biking they still supposed to bike on the on the okay

[Speaker 2] (33:29 - 33:30)
Three minutes very

[Speaker 1] (33:30 - 33:31)
one more thing with the with the biking yes

[Speaker 2] (33:31 - 33:32)
very quickly

[Speaker 1] (33:32 - 33:43)
I also want to say parents they really try and educate your child on safety with I've seen many kids without helmets and riding on the wrong side of the road

[Speaker 1] (33:44 - 33:48)
Parents please do your best to educate your kids on the right side of biking.

[Speaker 1] (33:48 - 33:49)
Thank you

[Speaker 2] (33:49 - 33:49)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (33:50 - 33:52)
Anybody else for public comment?

[Speaker 2] (33:55 - 33:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (33:57 - 34:01)
All right we have it looks like we have public comments on teams.

[Speaker 4] (34:06 - 34:07)
Going failing?

[Speaker 2] (34:07 - 34:08)
No that's

[Speaker 5] (34:08 - 34:08)
Okay go

[Speaker 2] (34:08 - 34:08)
not true.

[Speaker 5] (34:08 - 34:08)
ahead.

[Speaker 2] (34:08 - 34:09)
That's

[Speaker 2] (34:09 - 34:11)
mrs Pappas go

[Speaker 6] (34:11 - 34:12)
Jenny,

[Speaker 6] (34:12 - 34:12)
pass.

[Speaker 2] (34:12 - 34:15)
ahead you can unmute yourself Jeannie could

[Speaker 7] (34:18 - 34:19)
Hi there.

[Speaker 7] (34:19 - 34:22)
I just wanted to,

[Speaker 7] (34:23 - 34:28)
I know sometimes the select board can't comment on public comments, so I thought I'd comment on public comments.

[Speaker 2] (34:29 - 34:31)
you just say your name and your address before starting

[Speaker 7] (34:31 - 34:32)
Yep. Sorry.

[Speaker 7] (34:34 - 34:36)
My name is Jeannie Patz. I live on Nason Road,

[Speaker 7] (34:36 - 34:38)
29 Nason Road in Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (34:39 - 34:45)
I just wanted to comment. I saw some activity on Facebook regarding the parking by the elementary school,

[Speaker 7] (34:45 - 34:52)
and I just wanted to remind everyone that the reason why this was originally put in place.

[Speaker 7] (34:52 - 35:19)
wasn't because of what necessarily like what residents preferred it was put into place by the police and the select board because of safety and clearance on each side of the street so I haven't seen parents parking on Nason Road during drop-off and pickup I don't necessarily walk or see what's happening on forest but I know for the middle school it's one side of the street

[Speaker 7] (35:20 - 35:45)
um is you know typically occupied by parents doing drop-off rolling drop-off at the middle school so I just to reiterate the original like thought process behind this having having both sides of the street whether it's Nason or Laurel or Forest um be have allow parking makes it so that there's no clearance for cars to pass it's not just

[Speaker 7] (35:46 - 36:12)
kids on bikes and kids walking which is very important that's the top priority is the kids safety but it's also just being able to get down the roads and cars being able to pass on the left and right for drop off and pick up so I just wanted to say that so it's not because the residents I'm sure there are residents that are adamant about not wanting cars on the street but the majority of residents who live in this neighborhood just want everyone to be safe so I just wanted to say that thank you for this opportunity.

[Speaker 9] (36:16 - 36:17)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (36:17 - 36:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (36:21 - 36:23)
Rachel Taradash, 71 Middlesex Ave.

[Speaker 9] (36:23 - 36:28)
It's not I believe that there's no parking. It's that it's resident permit parking only.

[Speaker 9] (36:28 - 36:32)
So the issue certainly isn't that nobody can park on the street. The issue is who can park on the street.

[Speaker 9] (36:33 - 36:34)
And I think Mr.

[Speaker 9] (36:34 - 36:41)
Strazulo was suggesting is that maybe anyone who needs to park on the street can park on the street because it's not that there's no parking. It's that there's permit parking only.

[Speaker 9] (36:41 - 36:42)
So.

[Speaker 9] (36:42 - 36:43)
Thanks.

[Speaker 9] (36:43 - 36:45)
Thank you. Okay.

[Speaker 9] (36:45 - 36:48)
Is there any additional public comment?

[Speaker 1] (36:52 - 36:53)
No

[Speaker 9] (36:53 - 36:54)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 9] (36:55 - 37:03)
We will move on to new and old business with a very exciting first topic of the town administrators contract.

[Speaker 9] (37:06 - 37:07)
Doug, you want to take it away?

[Speaker 1] (37:10 - 37:11)
Okay, sure, I'll start.

[Speaker 9] (37:11 - 37:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (37:15 - 37:19)
So the last that the public was aware,

[Speaker 1] (37:20 - 37:28)
we took a vote when we were at the senior center maybe a month ago, I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (37:29 - 37:29)
And

[Speaker 10] (37:31 - 37:39)
That vote is, you know, people will probably recall was to move forward with two candidates,

[Speaker 10] (37:39 - 37:45)
but in an order, first with Jason Silva and then with Nick Connors.

[Speaker 10] (37:46 - 37:58)
And we went into executive session and proceeded through negotiations in that order.

[Speaker 10] (37:59 - 38:06)
And, you know, I can imagine for many people, as it's been reported in many places,

[Speaker 10] (38:07 - 38:14)
there was an assumption that that would lead to an agreement with Mr. Silva,

[Speaker 10] (38:14 - 38:16)
but it did not.

[Speaker 10] (38:17 - 38:20)
And so there are, as you can imagine,

[Speaker 10] (38:21 - 38:23)
many factors that come into that type of discussion,

[Speaker 10] (38:23 - 38:27)
but we were not able to come to an agreement,

[Speaker 10] (38:27 - 38:37)
and so we happily moved along to our second candidate, or like candidate 1.01,

[Speaker 10] (38:37 - 38:43)
and began conversation with Mr.

[Speaker 10] (38:43 - 38:44)
Connors.

[Speaker 10] (38:44 - 39:04)
and came to a agreement through those discussions and so tonight we are here to approve hopefully I believe we will a contract with Nick Connors as our next town administrator how

[Speaker 2] (39:04 - 39:04)
You did so

[Speaker 10] (39:04 - 39:05)
did I do well

[Speaker 2] (39:05 - 39:10)
great for I put Doug on the spot he did not know I was going to ask him to do that so you did fantastic I appreciate it.

[Speaker 2] (39:13 - 39:15)
To add to Doug's commentary,

[Speaker 2] (39:16 - 39:24)
I would like to again reiterate that when the selection committee came forward with the three candidates that we interviewed,

[Speaker 2] (39:24 - 39:24)
they stated

[Speaker 2] (39:25 - 39:30)
very optimistically that all three candidates could fulfill the job of our town administrator.

[Speaker 2] (39:30 - 39:43)
They each had different traits, characteristics that they felt made them a very strong candidate and for lack of a better term it was a personality choice for us.

[Speaker 1] (39:43 - 39:46)
I have to say, again,

[Speaker 1] (39:46 - 39:50)
reiterating the work that they did and the candidates that they brought forward that...

[Speaker 1] (39:53 - 39:55)
that we had some great choices.

[Speaker 1] (39:55 - 39:59)
We worked very well in this process as a group,

[Speaker 1] (39:59 - 40:00)
as a select board.

[Speaker 1] (40:00 - 40:07)
I'm also very proud to say that when we talked about hiring a town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (40:07 - 40:09)
which is a very large task,

[Speaker 1] (40:09 - 40:17)
we were realistic about our expectations and you know some of that involved attention.

[Speaker 1] (40:19 - 40:22)
We are now done with period four, we are heading to period

[Speaker 2] (40:22 - 40:22)
I feel like

[Speaker 1] (40:22 - 40:23)
five.

[Speaker 2] (40:23 - 40:23)
things are getting faster.

[Speaker 1] (40:23 - 40:26)
We are now heading to period five.

[Speaker 1] (40:26 - 40:30)
The lunch schedule goes in the second column and you're going to the first top at the

[Speaker 3] (40:32 - 40:34)
block at the top of the column on day D,

[Speaker 3] (40:35 - 40:36)
period five. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (40:37 - 40:38)
This will be memorable for you.

[Speaker 1] (40:38 - 40:38)
I know.

[Speaker 1] (40:39 - 40:40)
I promise they're not all like this.

[Speaker 1] (40:42 - 40:52)
Yes, so to say I'm very proud of the board and the way that it came together to understand the benefits of each candidate and to figure out a way to sort of.

[Speaker 1] (40:54 - 41:04)
Put that task on Doug and I were the negotiation team that were not that was nominated by the board to have conversations with each candidate It was given very clear parameters to us where we could go

[Speaker 1] (41:05 - 41:11)
what we could go up to what we could offer and You know we took that task very seriously

[Speaker 1] (41:12 - 41:19)
If we came to an impediment we brought that to the board and had another conversation so very proud of the

[Speaker 1] (41:20 - 41:35)
the board and how we all came together in this um in this process so thank you each of each of you thank you for for that. Um so does anybody have anything else to say?

[Speaker 5] (41:35 - 41:41)
Yeah, I just want to make sure it's really clear because I can just envision people saying, no,

[Speaker 5] (41:41 - 41:44)
we did this behind closed doors.

[Speaker 5] (41:45 - 42:13)
No nothing was done behind closed doors we had public meetings there was a extensive process we had three great candidates we had a you know we made a very clear plan Katie and Doug had their marching orders on how to advance and we just followed through on that and and this is our first public meeting so this is the first time we can actually announce it we weren't even in a position where

[Speaker 5] (42:13 - 42:24)
where we could do a press release because we didn't have a public meeting to have a discussion. So um it's it's a n good day here in Swampscott and uh

[Speaker 5] (42:25 - 42:26)
we are where we are here.

[Speaker 1] (42:28 - 42:39)
Um so we did obviously take a vote in executive session to um to appoint um sorry to support the contract.

[Speaker 1] (42:40 - 42:51)
that we facilitated between us and future town administrator, Ed Connors. And so now we take a vote in public session which is how this typically works.

[Speaker 1] (42:53 - 42:57)
So nothing new there. So again to reiterate what Mary Ellen said,

[Speaker 1] (42:58 - 43:00)
followed our consultants.

[Speaker 1] (43:01 - 43:08)
We engaged a consultant for this process. The consultant made very clear steps that we had to follow. We followed those steps.

[Speaker 1] (43:10 - 43:10)
so

[Speaker 4] (43:11 - 43:14)
And use the consultant for market testing in terms

[Speaker 1] (43:14 - 43:14)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (43:14 - 43:17)
of what was appropriate and what wasn't appropriate, etcetera.

[Speaker 5] (43:17 - 43:18)
And a charter, you know,

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:18)
And the

[Speaker 5] (43:18 - 43:18)
follow

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:19)
chart,

[Speaker 4] (43:19 - 43:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (43:19 - 43:19)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (43:19 - 43:19)
the

[Speaker 1] (43:19 - 43:19)
the

[Speaker 6] (43:19 - 43:19)
Mm

[Speaker 5] (43:19 - 43:19)
charter.

[Speaker 6] (43:19 - 43:19)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (43:19 - 43:23)
yep, the consultant followed the charter and we all did as well, so

[Speaker 1] (43:25 - 43:25)
Alright

[Speaker 5] (43:29 - 43:29)
No.

[Speaker 7] (43:29 - 43:30)
Any comments?

[Speaker 7] (43:30 - 43:33)
Motion to appoint and approve Nick Connors.

[Speaker 1] (43:33 - 43:42)
Okay, so we'll we'll do that next. This is for just the contract. So the motion will be to approve the town administrators contract.

[Speaker 7] (43:43 - 43:43)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (43:44 - 43:45)
All uh all those in favor?

[Speaker 7] (43:46 - 43:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (43:46 - 43:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (43:46 - 43:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (43:46 - 43:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (43:46 - 43:53)
That is four to oh. David is at a work function tonight and is not here. But

[Speaker 1] (43:54 - 43:56)
we are very glad to

[Speaker 1] (43:58 - 44:25)
accomplish that item and we move on to the next parallel item which is discussion and possible vote and appointment of the new town administrator um so we have mr connor's here he's joined us tonight um we've just spoken very highly of you i hope you feel the same about us um it's too late because we just uh proved your contract so if you want to come up to the microphone and just

[Speaker 1] (44:26 - 44:28)
Say a couple of words we'd love that

[Speaker 4] (44:30 - 44:31)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (44:31 - 44:32)
I am excited.

[Speaker 4] (44:32 - 44:34)
I'm happy to be here tonight.

[Speaker 4] (44:34 - 44:35)
I'm looking forward to it.

[Speaker 4] (44:36 - 44:42)
I'm excited to join the team and to begin executing on the policies and priorities and objectives that you all have.

[Speaker 4] (44:42 - 44:44)
And I'll be starting,

[Speaker 4] (44:44 - 44:46)
I think it's October 6th is what we're looking at,

[Speaker 4] (44:46 - 44:48)
which Gina was very happy about,

[Speaker 4] (44:48 - 44:54)
I think, and I'm sure I'll be in touch with folks in advance of that, but I'll be around then from then on.

[Speaker 4] (44:54 - 44:55)
So I look forward to working with everyone.

[Speaker 1] (44:56 - 45:00)
Thank you. I did try on June as I have to get Nick to start on October 1st.

[Speaker 4] (45:00 - 45:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (45:01 - 45:02)
Tried.

[Speaker 1] (45:02 - 45:04)
I lost that battle.

[Speaker 1] (45:05 - 45:08)
But we are very grateful for an October 6th start date.

[Speaker 1] (45:08 - 45:15)
So we all have had the advantage of speaking to Nick multiple times because of the interview structure.

[Speaker 1] (45:15 - 45:17)
But if anybody had any comments or questions,

[Speaker 1] (45:18 - 45:18)
now's the time.

[Speaker 1] (45:20 - 45:20)
Otherwise,

[Speaker 1] (45:20 - 45:21)
I'll entertain a motion.

[Speaker 7] (45:22 - 45:26)
Motion to the point and approve Nick Connors as the next town administrator.

[Speaker 5] (45:27 - 45:28)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (45:28 - 45:29)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (45:29 - 45:31)
Is there any additional discussion?

[Speaker 4] (45:32 - 46:00)
Well, I do think, you know, we obviously wanna make sure that there's uh that there's no need for discussion about that per se. Um but uh we obviously need to really think about the rollout of you know and Nick's uh onboarding uh obviously Gino would be in a terrific position to help him with that onboarding as well as will we, but we need to think about the public uh onboarding process as well. So to your point about we've had a chance to get to know Nick.

[Speaker 4] (46:01 - 46:10)
We also know very well that he's a good negotiator and others will find out many things as we will get to know each other,

[Speaker 4] (46:10 - 46:13)
but that will be an important part of the process for sure.

[Speaker 1] (46:14 - 46:16)
Yes, I think that's a point well taken.

[Speaker 1] (46:19 - 46:26)
We've been in this in depth in this process and so I assume that tomorrow people wake up and say who

[Speaker 5] (46:26 - 46:26)
What?

[Speaker 1] (46:26 - 46:27)
is Nick Connors?

[Speaker 4] (46:28 - 46:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (46:28 - 46:34)
And so we will have to start answering some of those questions so and we will be very glad to.

[Speaker 1] (46:35 - 46:43)
But in the meantime I will take let's see all those in favor of appointing.

[Speaker 1] (46:43 - 46:47)
The new town administrator, Nick Connors, wonderful,

[Speaker 4] (46:47 - 46:48)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (46:49 - 46:49)
again,

[Speaker 1] (46:49 - 46:50)
4-0.

[Speaker 1] (46:50 - 47:10)
Thank you Nick very much and very glad to have you. Again, Nick will be starting ten six, but will be available um if we need him prior to the extent that he is available and um we will work out a plan to make sure the community gets to know him as much as we have in these upcoming um interviews.

[Speaker 4] (47:10 - 47:13)
Do we have any uh media here that we know of?

[Speaker 1] (47:14 - 47:14)
Zach

[Speaker 7] (47:14 - 47:14)
Zach's

[Speaker 1] (47:14 - 47:16)
is the Zach was on.

[Speaker 4] (47:16 - 47:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (47:17 - 47:17)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (47:17 - 47:18)
He's not now, but

[Speaker 1] (47:18 - 47:18)
From the item.

[Speaker 5] (47:18 - 47:19)
he might be on

[Speaker 1] (47:19 - 47:20)
He might have logged

[Speaker 5] (47:20 - 47:20)
baseball.

[Speaker 1] (47:20 - 47:24)
off as soon as we p approved his contract to type that article. So who knows?

[Speaker 4] (47:24 - 47:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (47:24 - 47:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (47:25 - 47:26)
I'm making that Woody dead.

[Speaker 1] (47:26 - 47:26)
Alright. Um

[Speaker 4] (47:26 - 47:28)
You wanna think about a press release in the morning?

[Speaker 1] (47:28 - 47:31)
Yep, we will we will coordinate a press release in the Oh. morning.

[Speaker 9] (47:31 - 47:33)
Do you want to get a picture of Katie's presentation?

[Speaker 1] (47:33 - 47:35)
Do we wanna get a picture? Sure, let's get a

[Speaker 5] (47:35 - 47:35)
I

[Speaker 1] (47:35 - 47:35)
picture.

[Speaker 5] (47:35 - 47:36)
think he has one, doesn't

[Speaker 9] (47:36 - 47:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (47:36 - 47:36)
he?

[Speaker 1] (47:36 - 47:38)
Well, let's get a picture altogether maybe.

[Speaker 4] (47:38 - 47:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (47:38 - 47:41)
Let's do it quickly. Great suggestion, Chief Archer.

[Speaker 4] (47:41 - 47:43)
Oh, I just happen to have my CFA.

[Speaker 1] (47:43 - 47:44)
Great. Great.

[Speaker 3] (47:47 - 47:49)
It was mine. Little did you know.

[Speaker 4] (47:49 - 47:49)
Alright.

[Speaker 3] (47:49 - 47:50)
We were going to get that.

[Speaker 4] (47:51 - 47:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (47:51 - 47:52)
Oh.

[Speaker 9] (47:52 - 47:53)
Yeah, I didn't know.

[Speaker 5] (47:53 - 47:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (47:53 - 47:53)
That's a plus.

[Speaker 3] (47:53 - 47:55)
You know you could join us too for this.

[Speaker 4] (47:55 - 47:56)
Okay, wasn't sure.

[Speaker 9] (47:56 - 47:57)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (47:57 - 47:58)
Do you know who I'm most excited? Okay.

[Speaker 5] (47:58 - 47:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (48:00 - 48:00)
Just the message.

[Speaker 9] (48:00 - 48:01)
Let's see, look at the CT,

[Speaker 7] (48:01 - 48:01)
Smile.

[Speaker 9] (48:01 - 48:02)
nobody like.

[Speaker 7] (48:02 - 48:03)
Did you get it?

[Speaker 7] (48:04 - 48:07)
Everybody smile, it's going to go on the newsletter on Facebook.

[Speaker 7] (48:10 - 48:11)
Perfect, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (48:11 - 48:12)
Amazing.

[Speaker 7] (48:12 - 48:12)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 3] (48:12 - 48:12)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 4] (48:12 - 48:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (48:12 - 48:12)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 7] (48:12 - 48:13)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 4] (48:13 - 48:13)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (48:15 - 48:18)
So the last candidate just long commuted to us, so

[Speaker 4] (48:19 - 48:19)
Let's

[Speaker 1] (48:19 - 48:21)
your commute homes will be shorter now.

[Speaker 4] (48:23 - 48:24)
It's not the selling out.

[Speaker 1] (48:24 - 48:27)
I can't, that's my bits good cop bad cop.

[Speaker 4] (48:29 - 48:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (48:30 - 48:31)
Alrighty.

[Speaker 1] (48:34 - 48:40)
Moving on to item number three, the appointment of Patrick Luddy as ex officio to the retirement committee.

[Speaker 1] (48:40 - 48:54)
And so I have received a letter from the, on behalf of the Retirement Administrator from the Retirement Board requesting an interim ex-officio member of the Retirement Board be appointed.

[Speaker 1] (48:55 - 49:07)
As we all are aware but maybe need a refresher, Amy Sorrow in her position as Finance Director served as the ex-officio member of the Retirement Board and typically it would be filled by an Assistant Finance Director or a Town.

[Speaker 1] (49:07 - 49:17)
accountant but right now that is a vacant position for us so in the interim they have asked that

[Speaker 1] (49:19 - 49:22)
The town treasurer, Patrick Letty, be appointed.

[Speaker 1] (49:22 - 49:30)
They have also reached out to the Public Employee Retirement Administration Commission to make sure that Patrick can,

[Speaker 1] (49:30 - 49:32)
as a town treasurer, fulfill this role.

[Speaker 1] (49:32 - 49:34)
They have confirmed he has.

[Speaker 1] (49:34 - 49:35)
So for anybody who may be wondering,

[Speaker 1] (49:36 - 49:38)
just to let you know,

[Speaker 1] (49:38 - 49:39)
we have confirmed that we are.

[Speaker 2] (49:46 - 49:46)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (49:47 - 49:47)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (49:48 - 49:49)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 3] (49:49 - 49:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (49:49 - 49:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (49:49 - 49:50)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (49:50 - 49:55)
Oh, I guess I should have mentioned also Patrick is also in favor of taking on the task.

[Speaker 1] (49:55 - 49:57)
So this is

[Speaker 2] (49:57 - 49:58)
Minor detail.

[Speaker 1] (49:58 - 50:07)
not a voluntoled position. He was excited to take it on and we are grateful for him for doing that.

[Speaker 1] (50:09 - 50:14)
Okay, moving on to discussion and possible vote of the schematic design for 24 Reddington Street.

[Speaker 1] (50:16 - 50:23)
We have in our presence Sticks and Mallory, who is a principal of Delamar,

[Speaker 1] (50:23 - 50:25)
who has been working with the town diligently.

[Speaker 1] (50:26 - 50:27)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 1] (50:29 - 50:32)
He's going to just grab the mic so that we can hear him.

[Speaker 1] (50:33 - 50:38)
And we are presenting, he is presenting on behalf of.

[Speaker 1] (50:38 - 50:45)
The Delamar Swamp Scott Hotel. The schematic designs for the Reddington.

[Speaker 4] (50:47 - 51:03)
Well thank you very much for for having me and hopefully for those of you who were involved in the R_F_P_ these plans won't look a whole lot different. Schematic plans are uh pretty much in line with what we had presented to the town uh as part of our R_F_P_ of course more refined and detailed, but um broad strokes,

[Speaker 4] (51:04 - 51:05)
Uh it should look pretty similar.

[Speaker 5] (51:08 - 51:08)
Before you

[Speaker 4] (51:08 - 51:08)
And our

[Speaker 5] (51:08 - 51:08)
go on.

[Speaker 4] (51:08 - 51:13)
architect, uh Richard Turlington, is also on the line for any uh, you know, technical questions that anyone would have.

[Speaker 1] (51:13 - 51:14)
Here? Um would

[Speaker 4] (51:14 - 51:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (51:14 - 51:17)
you make Richard a presenter, Diane, so he can speak?

[Speaker 4] (51:18 - 51:18)
Yep, now I have

[Speaker 1] (51:19 - 51:21)
Sorry, go ahead. Doug, did you want to make a comment real quick before

[Speaker 6] (51:21 - 51:23)
Yeah, could we just uh frame up the context here,

[Speaker 1] (51:23 - 51:24)
Sure, yes.

[Speaker 6] (51:24 - 51:26)
you know, in terms of the L_D_A_

[Speaker 7] (51:26 - 51:26)
Uh, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (51:26 - 51:37)
the stage this is, you know, are we really looking for a vote tonight, are we going to do this w you know, a two step, you know, consideration, just kind of for me and for everybody like what what are we

[Speaker 6] (51:37 - 51:38)
What are we thinking here?

[Speaker 1] (51:39 - 51:39)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (51:39 - 51:46)
So this is one of the early steps in the process under the LDA,

[Speaker 1] (51:46 - 51:51)
the land development agreement with Delamar for the Hadley Hotel building.

[Speaker 1] (51:51 - 52:06)
As we've all, you may recall, we recently amended the LDA to include some changes to the pilot and changes to the timeline related.

[Speaker 1] (52:06 - 52:08)
related to the due diligence period.

[Speaker 1] (52:09 - 52:12)
Delamar is currently in their due diligence period and

[Speaker 1] (52:14 - 52:24)
We have the schematic designs were due to us. They've presented them. We have 20 days from when they presented them to us to approve them.

[Speaker 1] (52:24 - 52:27)
Because of the October first holiday,

[Speaker 1] (52:27 - 52:34)
we have had to push our select board meeting back a week. Which means that if we do not vote today,

[Speaker 1] (52:34 - 52:39)
we will be, we will not be in, we will need to ask the

[Speaker 6] (52:41 - 52:42)
Phil and Mara for a little

[Speaker 1] (52:42 - 52:42)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (52:42 - 52:42)
leeway.

[Speaker 1] (52:42 - 52:49)
we will need to ask Phil and Mara for a little leeway if we do not vote to support it tonight. So that, just to set the scene for that.

[Speaker 6] (52:50 - 52:57)
And what what happens next? What is this trigger? What are the ramifications either? I mean, I'm not acting like it's a big deal, you

[Speaker 1] (52:57 - 52:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (52:58 - 53:03)
know, but I just want to understand kind of if you don't know offhand, that's okay.

[Speaker 9] (53:04 - 53:06)
I have my folder here

[Speaker 6] (53:06 - 53:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (53:06 - 53:07)
guys.

[Speaker 6] (53:07 - 53:11)
I don't know if Dixon, you have, you know, this part memorized, uh well, but just

[Speaker 4] (53:12 - 53:12)
Sorry, what was the question?

[Speaker 6] (53:12 - 53:13)
Well, just like uh like

[Speaker 1] (53:13 - 53:14)
Like what's next?

[Speaker 6] (53:14 - 53:19)
graphic or schematic design. We approve this, then what happens, you know, uh the

[Speaker 4] (53:19 - 53:20)
Then application a bl

[Speaker 6] (53:20 - 53:30)
for our uh, you know, how much more uh definitively committed are we, are you at this point? Just give people a sense of the overall process.

[Speaker 4] (53:30 - 53:31)
You add that

[Speaker 4] (53:31 - 53:51)
At this point, I mean from this meeting until the plans are approved and I believe there's another public hearing that has to take place that doesn't really stop our schedule on the back end. We're kind of moving forward as is. Again, if there's something here tonight that is a huge red flag, of course we'll try and address it. But um our we're moving forward, you know, um as per the the L_D_A_

[Speaker 10] (53:52 - 53:57)
I just have a quick qu is there a public when is there a public meeting to review this?

[Speaker 10] (54:00 - 54:01)
Where is Marcy?

[Speaker 1] (54:02 - 54:03)
Marcy couldn't make it tonight.

[Speaker 10] (54:03 - 54:03)
Oh right, she

[Speaker 1] (54:03 - 54:04)
She has has

[Speaker 10] (54:04 - 54:04)
another

[Speaker 1] (54:04 - 54:05)
a conflict. She has another meeting.

[Speaker 10] (54:05 - 54:05)
meeting.

[Speaker 9] (54:05 - 54:05)
She

[Speaker 1] (54:05 - 54:05)
Um,

[Speaker 9] (54:05 - 54:06)
has another one.

[Speaker 1] (54:06 - 54:07)
so

[Speaker 9] (54:07 - 54:07)
Huh?

[Speaker 1] (54:08 - 54:09)
Um sorry, I will just

[Speaker 6] (54:13 - 54:19)
Yeah, it maybe it I thank you Mary Ellen that that kind of worked out to where I was going with this um

[Speaker 6] (54:21 - 54:24)
if we were to approve it tonight based on the timeframe

[Speaker 6] (54:25 - 54:49)
Uh we know from way back in the beginning, uh you know especially people that live very close, you know they have very particular interests and and aspects of this um that seems like it would be complicated if we were approving it as is and there was no public I mean it's obviously on the agenda tonight, but not to have any real public meeting. Um

[Speaker 6] (54:50 - 54:51)
Seems to be a little dicey.

[Speaker 10] (54:53 - 54:55)
Is is the calendar in the back of that?

[Speaker 1] (54:55 - 54:59)
No, 'cause the calendar got adjusted when we adjusted the L_D_I_s.

[Speaker 10] (54:59 - 55:02)
'Cause I thought there's a public I thought there was a line item for a public

[Speaker 1] (55:03 - 55:04)
There is the milestone uh

[Speaker 10] (55:04 - 55:05)
Where it right

[Speaker 1] (55:05 - 55:05)
milestone.

[Speaker 4] (55:05 - 55:07)
I think there was two public hearings, right, that we have to

[Speaker 10] (55:07 - 55:08)
Alright.

[Speaker 4] (55:08 - 55:08)
present

[Speaker 6] (55:08 - 55:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (55:08 - 55:09)
in the public.

[Speaker 1] (55:12 - 55:26)
All right, well um here it is, I have it. Okay, so um at the end of the due diligence period Del Mar was required to submit schematic designs, which they did. They are are also required to submit construction drawings and specifications within six months of the end of the due diligence period.

[Speaker 1] (55:27 - 55:40)
Um they have fifteen months to obtain all permits and all financing, so long as that was not amended under the amendment to the LDA, which I don't believe it was. It just pushed it back because the due diligence period date got moved back.

[Speaker 1] (55:41 - 55:49)
Um within fifteen months of the end of the due diligence period, they will execute the ground lease, which was an attachment to the L_D_A_

[Speaker 1] (55:51 - 55:54)
they from the execution of the lease

[Speaker 1] (55:54 - 56:03)
The expectation is about fifty percent completion within a year from the execution of the lease, which is fifteen months from the end of the due diligence period.

[Speaker 1] (56:03 - 56:10)
So we're looking at uh twenty seven months approximately give or take from the approval

[Speaker 4] (56:10 - 56:10)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (56:10 - 56:11)
of the schematic designs.

[Speaker 4] (56:11 - 56:11)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (56:11 - 56:15)
And and this would be the end of the due diligence period with the approval of schematic design?

[Speaker 1] (56:15 - 56:16)
No, the

[Speaker 4] (56:16 - 56:16)
No, we've already it it's

[Speaker 1] (56:16 - 56:17)
the due diligence period was

[Speaker 4] (56:17 - 56:17)
already

[Speaker 1] (56:17 - 56:17)
the

[Speaker 4] (56:17 - 56:18)
is already concluded.

[Speaker 1] (56:18 - 56:19)
Do diligence period ended,

[Speaker 6] (56:19 - 56:20)
But uh

[Speaker 1] (56:20 - 56:22)
part of revisions to the L_D_A_ actually

[Speaker 1] (56:22 - 56:35)
actually push the due diligence period out because of our negotiations of the amendment to the LDI. So the end of the due diligence period is what triggered the need for the schematic designs to be submitted.

[Speaker 10] (56:35 - 56:35)
Completed.

[Speaker 6] (56:35 - 56:36)
Yep, okay.

[Speaker 1] (56:37 - 56:37)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (56:37 - 56:40)
So that twenty seven month clock is kind of ticking.

[Speaker 1] (56:40 - 56:41)
yep, exactly.

[Speaker 4] (56:41 - 56:41)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (56:41 - 56:46)
Um, so then they're looking for, so twenty seven months to fifty percent completion.

[Speaker 4] (56:46 - 56:46)
Completion,

[Speaker 1] (56:46 - 56:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (56:46 - 56:46)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (56:47 - 57:05)
And then substantial completion, which is a defined term of the LDA, is approximately um twenty three months from the execution of the lease, so another tw about twelve months thereafter. So now we're looking at thirty nine months from today-ish. Um, we're looking at substantial to final-ish completion.

[Speaker 1] (57:06 - 57:09)
And then the application for the certificate of occupancy.

[Speaker 1] (57:10 - 57:18)
The certificate of occupancy is about 90 days and 90 days from the certificate of occupancy approximately is when the rent payments

[Speaker 4] (57:18 - 57:18)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (57:18 - 57:18)
begin.

[Speaker 4] (57:18 - 57:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (57:19 - 57:20)
And then

[Speaker 1] (57:21 - 57:27)
270 days from the certificate of occupancy is when the first payment in lieu of taxes uh

[Speaker 4] (57:27 - 57:27)
Ah yep.

[Speaker 1] (57:27 - 57:33)
payment begins. So that's like the whole timeline soup to nuts, it's a lot, but you asked for it, so here it is.

[Speaker 6] (57:34 - 57:36)
I was only asking for the next step, but anyway, that's okay.

[Speaker 1] (57:36 - 57:47)
Okay, but I it's important I guess to your point, it's important again because we live in these things a lot, we assume the public knows what we know and they don't necessarily, they need the refresher so it's important that we do.

[Speaker 1] (57:47 - 57:49)
Why don't we do that? So thank you for asking us to do that.

[Speaker 6] (57:49 - 57:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (57:49 - 57:51)
So how do we so it brings

[Speaker 9] (57:51 - 57:51)
So

[Speaker 10] (57:51 - 57:55)
us down to a how do we make this happen to make sure that we're guaranteeing

[Speaker 10] (57:57 - 57:58)
the public is

[Speaker 1] (58:00 - 58:00)
So

[Speaker 10] (58:00 - 58:00)
notified

[Speaker 1] (58:00 - 58:11)
how about we let Dixon present. I will in the meantime very quickly skim through the LDA to make sure that we have the public pieces correct and I'm not misquoting the LDA.

[Speaker 10] (58:11 - 58:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (58:13 - 58:13)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (58:13 - 58:17)
Uh well again, thank you very much for uh for having me. Um

[Speaker 4] (58:17 - 58:24)
I guess we'll start with kind of one rendering. Again, I use the term rendering lightly because the building has not changed a whole lot.

[Speaker 4] (58:24 - 58:39)
Um what we'll be doing to the facade is really more repair uh fixing and you know cleaning up. Um the major changes to the facade will be uh new windows new windows throughout the entire building um and the windows that we're contemplating throughout

[Speaker 4] (58:39 - 58:51)
um reflect those that were originally or aesthetically matched the windows that were uh originally put on the building back in uh 1910, 1911 when it was constructed. Um the

[Speaker 4] (58:51 - 59:13)
The big change here is the addition of a elevator tower and stair tower uh that's in between the main building and the annex. Currently neither building has uh elevators and therefore neither of them are A_D_A_ compliant. Um so the construction of this elevator tower in between the two will allow horizontal conveyance and vertical conveyance between the two wings. Um

[Speaker 4] (59:14 - 59:23)
And yeah, so that's really the major change. And that's really the only new construction um on the exterior uh of the property that we'll be we'll be contemplating.

[Speaker 6] (59:24 - 59:34)
Can I ask a question? I mean what really struck me about that, and I'm sure that's the way it is now, but um there's two big surfaces, no windows in them. Um

[Speaker 2] (59:40 - 59:56)
You mean here? Yeah. Um so what you'll see in the plans but what we do on on the rooms that are on those against those walls, I put the bathroom on those walls. So you don't need a window in a bathroom. It's big enough bathroom you can have a window, that's great. Um

[Speaker 2] (59:57 - 1:00:23)
But just think of the bathrooms being on those sides, you know, a T_V_ up against that wall, and that's kind of how you fill that blank void. So it does look odd, I agree with you. Uh not a lot of windows, but it really doesn't affect the layout of the rooms too much. Um and you'll see that yeah as we divide up these classrooms, each room has two very big windows that face you know in this case out to the water, in this case back towards um

[Speaker 2] (1:00:24 - 1:00:27)
No the annex in town. So we'll get to that in a second. So

[Speaker 2] (1:00:29 - 1:00:32)
Um this is all just, you know, detailing.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:35 - 1:00:39)
So here is a site plan, and you'll see

[Speaker 2] (1:00:39 - 1:01:04)
The existing site and the land that um you know we have to work with is actually not tremendously big, and a lot of that will have to be dedicated for parking. I think that this plan shows sixty three uh parking spots, I believe, something along those lines. So this playground back here that all becomes main parking, a parking up against that wall that faces Linscott Park, um and we'll have um

[Speaker 2] (1:01:04 - 1:01:13)
kind of pick up and drop off for you know back of house um right up against you know what's going to be the back of house function uh in the main building there.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:14 - 1:01:23)
But you know Reddington has been now turned back to Dewey Road so we'll have cars that come to the front of the building and really the drop off

[Speaker 2] (1:01:23 - 1:01:34)
Hotel entrance will be here and here. Again this is where these e that elevator tower is. So that will be the ADA access point into the building, both main uh and the annex.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:36 - 1:01:50)
Um as we get further towards the water this is all kind of outdoor dining landscape terrace area. Um again if we do need to get more parking, that's probably where we could uh shut shave a little bit of that back, because really the main

[Speaker 2] (1:01:51 - 1:01:58)
the nicest area of this outdoor dining uh patio is gonna be this corner here 'cause there you're looking down to the water and right onto the park.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:00 - 1:02:06)
Um so again, not a tremendous amount of you know landscaping, unfortunately, 'cause we'll have to have as much parking as we can.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:07)
And th

[Speaker 1] (1:02:09 - 1:02:19)
But, and you kind of said it, but this is just thinking again about the public process and whether or not this is much different than what people have already commented on.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:19 - 1:02:26)
Is this uh ki I'm determined I thought maybe that we were talking about eighty spots before or something, but I may be misremembering that. So

[Speaker 3] (1:02:26 - 1:02:26)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:26 - 1:02:34)
is no, was sixty so sixty ish. So the layout here uh any anything different in terms of what really was presented earlier?

[Speaker 2] (1:02:35 - 1:02:44)
Uh no, not um not significantly. Uh and we will have uh E_V_ charging stations, that will just depend where the best hookup point is um based on the power in the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:45 - 1:02:46)
Um.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:46 - 1:02:53)
Is that the elevation maybe we'll see that in different? Is that uh that cut into the that slope right there, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:02:53 - 1:02:59)
Right here. Yeah, that will have to get leveled off. Um so there'll be a retaining wall which is kind of right there.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:00 - 1:03:02)
Um so that'll we'll yeah we'll have to get flattened out.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:03 - 1:03:10)
Vickton, can you speak a little bit about if you know how many trees you will be removing?

[Speaker 4] (1:03:11 - 1:03:12)
Or would we like

[Speaker 2] (1:03:12 - 1:03:12)
to we

[Speaker 4] (1:03:12 - 1:03:12)
remove?

[Speaker 2] (1:03:12 - 1:03:18)
looked at this, we actually don't have that many trees, because a lot of them are technically in Linscott Park.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:18 - 1:03:18)
Wait.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:18 - 1:03:21)
They they kind of the property,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:21 - 1:03:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:21 - 1:03:23)
um but no.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:24 - 1:03:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:25 - 1:03:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:25 - 1:03:27)
One is dead right now. The world will be taken down.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:27 - 1:03:28)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:28 - 1:03:28)
That's the that's

[Speaker 4] (1:03:28 - 1:03:29)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:29 - 1:03:29)
yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:29 - 1:03:32)
that's the Juno problem. Future Juno problem.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:32 - 1:03:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:34 - 1:03:36)
Any more questions or yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:38 - 1:03:40)
Remind us again how many rooms?

[Speaker 2] (1:03:41 - 1:03:48)
It'll depend on how many suites we decide to add in. So fifty six to fifty nine is probably where it's gonna shake out.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:50 - 1:03:57)
Um so these plans are all kind of the as-built plans. So this is just how the building lays out today. So that's the basement.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:00 - 1:04:06)
The the the first floor and um any questions on the original plans? Or any?

[Speaker 2] (1:04:06 - 1:04:07)
Any reason to okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:12 - 1:04:19)
So here's some elevations again, the existing elevations. You can see the the corridor that connects both buildings there. That's the only

[Speaker 2] (1:04:20 - 1:04:23)
part of the building that's gonna be removed.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:24 - 1:04:25)
Where are the mechanicals?

[Speaker 2] (1:04:28 - 1:04:29)
We'll get to that.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:29 - 1:04:31)
Okay, I'll wait.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:34 - 1:04:44)
Okay, so this is the basement uh of both buildings. And for those of you that have been in the building, the basement, especially in the main building, is kind of more of a sub-basement.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:44 - 1:04:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:44 - 1:04:55)
Um it's you know kind of three feet down from from grade. So here our plan on this side is this classroom which I believe is the science room.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:56 - 1:04:56)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:56 - 1:05:00)
That is gonna be kind of more of an informal bar, pub.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:00 - 1:05:20)
portion of the of the restaurant and the kind of more a la carte dining room will be on this side of the um and that is where the current mechanical room is and that kind of looks like the engine room of the titanic right now with those three big steam boilers so we are going to put a deck kind of at the same level as this basement

[Speaker 2] (1:05:21 - 1:05:22)
across here

[Speaker 2] (1:05:22 - 1:05:41)
And these windows will be exposed right now. Those are all boarded up, and that'll bring natural light into the into the dining room. And again, uh I spoke about this earlier, but you know whether this outdoor dining area remains or gets kind of wrapped around this corner of the building to take advantage of the the better views, um we'll we'll cross that road when we get there.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:42 - 1:05:54)
Um otherwise for the mechanicals this is the the real sub-basement where those three big boilers are. Um that's where a lot of the mechanicals will probably end up going um in this new iteration.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:55 - 1:06:13)
Um, bathrooms are here. And really the back half of the building, of the basement rather, this is all gonna be kitchen and back of house function exactly how that gets laid out uh where the kitchen is, where our offices are, storage, uh that will all be refined. But right now that's all dedicated back of house.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:14 - 1:06:17)
Um here you have the bathrooms uh for the restaurant.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:18 - 1:06:19)
Um and here

[Speaker 2] (1:06:20 - 1:06:32)
This is actually an entrance. You step down off of the grade down to what's we're gonna have as um our spa. So the spa will have a dedicated entrance. Of course you can access it from inside the building as well uh but that will have an entrance to the outside.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:34 - 1:06:37)
Um and then here, this is um did I do that?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:40 - 1:06:42)
This will be um just the fitness room,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:43 - 1:06:47)
gymnasium, and again the two elevators um

[Speaker 2] (1:06:47 - 1:06:49)
that run the length of of the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:50 - 1:07:05)
And in the basement of the annex, um this is really just hotel rooms and these lay out pretty nicely. Again we have some much larger rooms here, four hundred and eighty five feet, uh just for context, an average Marriott is around three hundred and twenty five to three seventy five square feet.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:06 - 1:07:19)
Um just kind of your standard Marriott hotel room. Of course suites are bigger and yeah, some rooms are smaller. So that would be a big room. This is a a very big room. That'll be you know most likely a suite or family room of seven hundred and fifty five feet.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:20 - 1:07:35)
Um, and then facing, you know, the parking lot, these won't be the the best views in the house, but nevertheless um again you see three hundred and sixty five feet. Two ninety a little smaller, two ninety and then three sixty five. So pretty good size rooms all in. And again it's an old building,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:36 - 1:07:40)
not all the rooms are gonna be identical, but um that allows to have a mix of of room types.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:41 - 1:07:42)
And those are

[Speaker 1] (1:07:43 - 1:07:44)
uh fully in the basement?

[Speaker 2] (1:07:44 - 1:07:55)
Or No, they they're again the windows, you know, just kinda starts here and the windows go up. So these will of course have like shatter-proof windows, I mean they'll kinda be like motel rooms. Um think about a ad-grade hotels.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:56 - 1:07:58)
Doug, for context, the kindergarten rooms.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:58 - 1:07:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:58 - 1:08:00)
That's literally where we had our kindergartners.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:01 - 1:08:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:02 - 1:08:08)
And this for me it's really kind of, it just when you said like a science room is kind of becoming the bar and it kind

[Speaker 1] (1:08:08 - 1:08:14)
And you got the foyer. Have you thought about in any way shape or form keeping the school theme in any way as you kind of

[Speaker 2] (1:08:14 - 1:08:14)
Very much so.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:14 - 1:08:16)
Yeah. I mean the restaurant,

[Speaker 2] (1:08:16 - 1:08:22)
you know, how how we thread that needle, you don't want to be kind of corny in a way.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:22 - 1:08:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:22 - 1:08:26)
But of course, we're going to be celebrating the history of this building as a school.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:26 - 1:08:26)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:26 - 1:08:34)
No question about that. And we will be likely putting this building on the National Register of Historic Places as part of our historic tax.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:35 - 1:08:42)
accreditation. So um we're not gonna be shying away from the fact that this is a historic building in a school. Not at all.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:42 - 1:08:45)
Seems like it would be a kind of good thing for the borrower for science rooms.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:45 - 1:08:46)
It I think it was the art room.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:47 - 1:08:48)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:48 - 1:08:52)
Um I don't know what it was before, but at least in recent history it was an art room.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:52 - 1:08:54)
I remember on the re the original original plans

[Speaker 4] (1:08:54 - 1:08:54)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:54 - 1:08:59)
from nineteen ten maybe it changed in nineteen ten, but it was domestic science not

[Speaker 10] (1:08:59 - 1:08:59)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:59 - 1:09:01)
to be confused with international science but

[Speaker 10] (1:09:01 - 1:09:03)
Oh, good. Science.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:03 - 1:09:03)
Science.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:05 - 1:09:10)
Dang, is that Whole Mech? I don't know, the evolution of Oh, the domestic science home ec.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:10 - 1:09:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:10 - 1:09:11)
Chemistry bar.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:12 - 1:09:12)
I think.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:12 - 1:09:13)
Um any other questions on the basement?

[Speaker 10] (1:09:14 - 1:09:14)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:18 - 1:09:29)
So this is the first floor. Again, ADA access will come from the elevators um and we'll have kind of a grand you know staircase up into what's gonna be our our

[Speaker 1] (1:09:47 - 1:09:59)
really big windows that overlook the park that are, you know, kind of glazed and uh boarded up right now, but you know with new windows there it's gonna be a fantastic natural light flowing into that really big grand grand room.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:01 - 1:10:12)
Um and then again these are the kind of more conventional rooms. You see these classrooms are you know roughly eight hundred square feet, give or take. So we're putting a a demising uh wall right down the

[Speaker 2] (1:10:13 - 1:10:14)
Sorry Dexter.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:31 - 1:10:42)
Um so as I was saying, these fl classrooms are you know roughly eight hundred square feet, and all we're doing is really putting a demising wall down the middle. So each room will have two very large windows.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:42 - 1:10:55)
Um right now these are kind of the coat closets for the classrooms. Um um this side of the classroom we can repurpose those as a bathroom and uh to Doug's question earlier, what do you do with these big blank walls?

[Speaker 3] (1:10:56 - 1:10:56)
Was the boom.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:56 - 1:11:00)
You see we have the bathroom there. Uh did that just move again? Well.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:01 - 1:11:02)
Very good, Doug.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:02 - 1:11:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:02 - 1:11:03)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:11:04 - 1:11:06)
Um and again, do we put the the

[Speaker 1] (1:11:07 - 1:11:10)
bed up the headboard on this side of the wall and have the T_V_ there or vice versa?

[Speaker 1] (1:11:11 - 1:11:25)
uh that how those room plans finalise um uh that'll p to be to be determined. But otherwise, these classrooms are all you kind of see the point. They're all more or less the same size, and they all divide up just about the same.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:28 - 1:11:39)
Can you speak a little bit about the um auditorium, a gymnasium or your you guys are gonna really try to I think the last time we spoke you said you were gonna try to keep it

[Speaker 4] (1:11:40 - 1:11:41)
Like keep the high ceilings and

[Speaker 1] (1:11:41 - 1:11:42)
Oh yeah, no, we're not touching

[Speaker 4] (1:11:42 - 1:11:42)
keep a little

[Speaker 1] (1:11:42 - 1:11:43)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:11:43 - 1:11:44)
architecture in there. We

[Speaker 1] (1:11:44 - 1:11:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:44 - 1:11:44)
won't change

[Speaker 1] (1:11:44 - 1:11:48)
all we're gonna do is like we're we're keeping the stage here as well.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:48 - 1:11:49)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:49 - 1:11:52)
Um no, we're not really touching well, we're gonna touch the gymnasium of course. We're gonna

[Speaker 4] (1:11:52 - 1:11:52)
We'll be.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:52 - 1:11:57)
m renovate it um, but in terms of reconfiguring it uh not a whole lot.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:58 - 1:12:07)
Um just cleaning it up and uh making it look more like a ballroom than an elementary school gymnasium. But um in terms of the footprint of it no, we're not gonna change much.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:08 - 1:12:22)
The only thing that we may do is have a I think the kitchen, if you remember, in the basement is right below here uh have some sort of little, you know, elevator, a kind of a one-story lift that would bring um food up from the basement um, you know, into the ball room.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:24 - 1:12:24)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:32 - 1:12:34)
All right, moving on to the second floor.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:35 - 1:12:56)
Again the same story in all of these classrooms here, dividing them right down the middle. Uh this row of classrooms just really gets divided up um based on the window lines. So again this room's gonna be a little bit smaller, two seventy five, and this room is you know three sixty, three forty five. So you're getting good sized hotel rooms across the board.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:58 - 1:13:02)
Uh an annex is more or less identical going vertical uh and all

[Speaker 1] (1:13:02 - 1:13:02)
all of its floors.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:06 - 1:13:10)
I see one on the second floor, I didn't notice on the first, handicap accessible.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:11 - 1:13:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:11 - 1:13:13)
How many other rooms will be handicap accessible?

[Speaker 1] (1:13:13 - 1:13:18)
By code you have to have one I-A room per room type on each floor.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:18 - 1:13:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:20 - 1:13:24)
So if there's a suite, we'd have an ADA suite on that floor as well.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:24 - 1:13:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:33 - 1:13:41)
up to the third floor um there's no nothing on the roof of the annex other than mechanicals and solar panels.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:44 - 1:13:46)
The big change here is right now we're

[Speaker 5] (1:13:46 - 1:13:46)
It's huge.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:46 - 1:13:59)
this portion of the um of the school is above the ballroom and so these rooms there already is a terrace here um and these rooms will end up having natural, you know, very nice sized terraces overlooking the park, which will be pretty um

[Speaker 1] (1:13:59 - 1:13:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:00 - 1:14:05)
A nice amenity to have for those rooms. And this one's five hundred and thirty six rooms, so that could become a suite.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:05 - 1:14:12)
And again the same story um with that line of guest rooms um kind of facing the front of the building.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:13 - 1:14:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:14 - 1:14:15)
And a dead Dempsey room.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:20 - 1:14:22)
Uh and finally on the rooftop.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:24 - 1:14:25)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:14:25 - 1:14:31)
We had looked at the rooftop a number of different ways. Do we want to put a dedicated kind of roof

[Speaker 1] (1:14:32 - 1:14:34)
room on top?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:34 - 1:14:36)
Do we want to have a bar? Do we want to have a kitchen?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:37 - 1:14:43)
And a lot of that stuff, it's obviously quite heavy and reinforcing the structure to accommodate that. It was just

[Speaker 1] (1:14:44 - 1:14:59)
gonna be quite a lift, no pun intended. Um so what we're planning to do here is we have bathrooms, 'cause need to have bathrooms. So those will be in the far corner of the of the roof. So if you're standing outside of the building, you really won't see those bathrooms, they'll be kind of tucked away.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:59 - 1:15:09)
We're bringing this staircase uh that faces the water uh up one floor 'cause we need to have two forms of egress, so we have stairs here and the stairs from the elevator tower.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:10 - 1:15:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:10 - 1:15:19)
And then otherwise this will be kind of an open sun deck amenity space that can be you know programmed any number of ways. Uh we can have a mobile bar up there to service events.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:20 - 1:15:27)
Um you know can be rented for private events. If it's not rented out it can be used as just a an amenity space for the hotel guests.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:29 - 1:15:34)
So a couple of things there Jason. So the only way the roof then is via stairs?

[Speaker 1] (1:15:35 - 1:15:35)
Elevators.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
Oh those go up

[Speaker 1] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:36 - 1:15:37)
too, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:37 - 1:15:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:37 - 1:15:37)
Um

[Speaker 7] (1:15:39 - 1:15:41)
Um and what are the big blank

[Speaker 1] (1:15:43 - 1:15:54)
So the this will be because the roof what do we have here? It's almost 4,000 feet, and in a fifty five to fifty nine room hotel.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:55 - 1:16:01)
Having a roof deck that would m ten thousand feet of roof, it's uh it's too much. Um and it's would almost feel

[Speaker 1] (1:16:02 - 1:16:21)
like you're kind of swimming in a space because we can't have that many people up there. You know we don't need to have a hundred people on the roof, we don't want that. Um so could we add more, you know, some of this will likely get taken up by mechanicals, solar panels, plantings, whatever um you know however that all plays out.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:22 - 1:16:28)
You said you might have a mobile bar, but otherwise it's gonna be basically people

[Speaker 7] (1:16:29 - 1:16:34)
self-serve coming up there in a way, or or is there a possibility of a bar that that was like

[Speaker 1] (1:16:34 - 1:16:36)
There's certainly a possibility of a bar.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:36 - 1:16:36)
And that's huge, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:36 - 1:16:42)
Yeah, we we had contemplated having a kind of a full kitchen here, like a finishing kitchen.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:44 - 1:16:46)
Yeah, making that work is pretty difficult.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:46 - 1:17:06)
Um so this is kind of where we're starting. Where we end up might be in a bit more built out um you know do we have a permanent bar kind of a fixed here, 'cause that's be right up against the stair wall. Uh the the extended stair. Um to be determined. Again, we gotta figure out um plumbing, water, getting that up up and out of the space.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:07 - 1:17:08)
So is this enclosed?

[Speaker 1] (1:17:09 - 1:17:10)
No, this is open.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:13 - 1:17:15)
What do you mean by enclosed Maria? Roof or

[Speaker 7] (1:17:16 - 1:17:17)
Really?

[Speaker 6] (1:17:18 - 1:17:21)
The roof totally inclo like similar to Mission on the Bay.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:22 - 1:17:23)
Ah.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:23 - 1:17:25)
Enclosed by glass or something.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:25 - 1:17:35)
No, this is all open. I mean, can we have umbrellas, you know, maybe a pergola system up here? Yeah, absolutely. But it's not going to be an enclosed space that can be used twelve months a year. It'll be a seasonal roof deck.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:36 - 1:17:38)
Because for the bigger events in the winter,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:38 - 1:17:40)
of course, we'll try and, you know, push them to the ballroom.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
Gymnasium.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:45 - 1:17:49)
And so you said about solar, is it going to be all solar on

[Speaker 1] (1:17:49 - 1:17:49)
Roof of the annex.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:49 - 1:17:58)
daylights? Yeah, definitely there. And then back to mechanicals, like how you, you know, electrifying this, like what's the status of

[Speaker 1] (1:17:58 - 1:18:10)
that again? Yes, so uh the most newest hotel that we just opened in Mystic, we have a heat electric heat pumps there, um all new system, and those well, I guess we haven't had a b a big winter there yet, but um

[Speaker 1] (1:18:11 - 1:18:15)
That's likely what we'll what we'll go with. Some sort of heat pump system, electric heat pumps.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:23 - 1:18:24)
Anybody else?

[Speaker 9] (1:18:25 - 1:18:29)
Just remind me. So from the roof where is the how far away is the kitchen?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:30 - 1:18:34)
Kitchen's in the basement. So uh the kitchen is again probably somewhere back here

[Speaker 9] (1:18:34 - 1:18:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:34 - 1:18:38)
all the way down. And it'll be serviced, you know, if there are events up here,

[Speaker 9] (1:18:39 - 1:18:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:39 - 1:18:40)
this will be the service elevator.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:41 - 1:18:43)
So that runs all the way from the basement up to the roof.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:44 - 1:18:44)
Got it.

[Speaker 7] (1:18:46 - 1:18:59)
Sorry, I actually forget. So you know we passed the super stretch code here in Swampscott in terms of uh how the building needs to be energy efficient and all that stuff.

[Speaker 7] (1:19:00 - 1:19:04)
I'm actually forgetting right now whether or not it applies to renovation or if it's just

[Speaker 1] (1:19:04 - 1:19:04)
New

[Speaker 7] (1:19:04 - 1:19:04)
new

[Speaker 1] (1:19:04 - 1:19:05)
builds.

[Speaker 7] (1:19:05 - 1:19:05)
construction.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:06 - 1:19:07)
The L_D_A_ calls out specifically,

[Speaker 4] (1:19:07 - 1:19:08)
I think we yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:08 - 1:19:09)
we made some changes in that.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:09 - 1:19:11)
We agreed to some language in the L_D_A_ so

[Speaker 1] (1:19:11 - 1:19:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:19:11 - 1:19:13)
But I don't remember if it was

[Speaker 9] (1:19:13 - 1:19:14)
You remember that wrestling match?

[Speaker 7] (1:19:14 - 1:19:15)
what's that?

[Speaker 9] (1:19:15 - 1:19:16)
You don't remember?

[Speaker 7] (1:19:16 - 1:19:18)
I do remember being a pain in the butt about it, yes, but um

[Speaker 6] (1:19:18 - 1:19:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:19:18 - 1:19:19)
but

[Speaker 9] (1:19:19 - 1:19:21)
Your words, not mine.

[Speaker 7] (1:19:21 - 1:19:24)
um but I but I what I don't recall is whether or not

[Speaker 3] (1:19:31 - 1:19:32)
Virtually best efforts.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:32 - 1:19:32)
Commercial best efforts.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:32 - 1:19:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:33 - 1:19:33)
Commercial best efforts.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:33 - 1:19:41)
is where where we landed and the reason we felt comfortable with that is because of um the Delamar's track record with those types of projects

[Speaker 2] (1:19:41 - 1:19:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:41 - 1:19:47)
and um how they that's a company commitment outside of a

[Speaker 4] (1:19:47 - 1:19:54)
a community commitment. So I think we felt confident that they would, you know,

[Speaker 4] (1:19:54 - 1:20:01)
throw what they could at it so long as they could still survive financially after,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:01 - 1:20:04)
I think they're going to make most of all that

[Speaker 5] (1:20:04 - 1:20:04)
I mean,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:04 - 1:20:04)
they can.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:04 - 1:20:06)
in the context of a building like this, again,

[Speaker 5] (1:20:06 - 1:20:10)
it's from 1910, it's really hard to completely seal like a new building,

[Speaker 5] (1:20:10 - 1:20:13)
but things like windows,

[Speaker 5] (1:20:13 - 1:20:14)
I mean, all new windows throughout.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:14 - 1:20:21)
I mean that significantly and it helps your R-values, which is how any heat transfers from through through spaces.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:22 - 1:20:35)
Um you not gonna be newly insulated throughout, so it'll be a pretty tight building, but again there's only so much you can do in the context context of an old, you know, a hundred year old building. A hundred years plus.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:35 - 1:20:39)
Will there be any uh gas or oil or anything like that?

[Speaker 5] (1:20:39 - 1:20:41)
In the kitchen maybe for no.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:41 - 1:20:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:41 - 1:20:44)
for cooking, but otherwise I mean I hard

[Speaker 2] (1:20:44 - 1:20:45)
Or yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:45 - 1:20:45)
hard for me to

[Speaker 2] (1:20:45 - 1:20:50)
If in the kitchen is, you know, if you're commercial, a lot of them love that there too, so I mean, but anyway.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:50 - 1:20:51)
I can't get it.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:51 - 1:20:51)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:51 - 1:21:04)
Um but no I think y a kind of heat pump electric heat pump system um is has worked um and I think it could certainly work here whether we need a you know some sort of um contingency

[Speaker 5] (1:21:05 - 1:21:07)
uh you know gas or natural gas system.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:08 - 1:21:08)
To be determined.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:11 - 1:21:12)
All right.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:13 - 1:21:15)
Are we keep going? Is that the whole

[Speaker 5] (1:21:15 - 1:21:17)
shebang? Um that that those are the floor plans,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:17 - 1:21:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:17 - 1:21:24)
I'm happy to use the elevations, again this is the elevation of the the new um elevator tower.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:29 - 1:21:32)
Again this is all those those terraces on the third floor of the main building.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:34 - 1:21:36)
That is the uh the elevator tower there.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:41 - 1:21:44)
Uh and those are some renderings of the exterior.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:49 - 1:21:51)
So um I think we

[Speaker 4] (1:21:52 - 1:21:58)
You know, Reader's Digest version of this is when you look at the building, it's going to pay homage to what it looks like today.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:58 - 1:22:00)
There'll be little tweaks and changes,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:00 - 1:22:01)
obviously windows and everything,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:02 - 1:22:10)
but the inside will be totally fresh and new and beautiful and nods to Hadley's past.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:13 - 1:22:20)
We, to Doug's point, there was some language we put in the LDA and there is, you guys are doing commercially best efforts to get

[Speaker 5] (1:22:20 - 1:22:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:20 - 1:22:28)
all of the the state of the art equipment necessary for us to have,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:28 - 1:22:30)
Doug help me with the languages like

[Speaker 2] (1:22:30 - 1:22:34)
Well, yeah, actually I I feel embarrassed that I'm you know forgetting about, yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:34 - 1:22:35)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:35 - 1:22:41)
because I it would be you know much simpler if I knew that the super stretch code applied to

[Speaker 2] (1:22:42 - 1:22:48)
rehab versus new construction. Um I I have a feeling probably doesn't apply to

[Speaker 5] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:48 - 1:22:49)
rehab.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:49 - 1:22:50)
It's a lot of uh

[Speaker 2] (1:22:50 - 1:22:59)
Uh but it it sounds like moving in that direction, I would love to kind of be able to double check that uh before it was, you know, given its stamp of approval.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:59 - 1:22:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:59 - 1:23:09)
Um and I you know also in terms of you know our negotiations about things and you has that had an impact on you know what you feel like you would do in this regard or anything like that.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:10 - 1:23:13)
Uh, it doesn't feel like it, um like what you said that

[Speaker 5] (1:23:13 - 1:23:13)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:13 - 1:23:13)
day, but

[Speaker 5] (1:23:13 - 1:23:13)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:13 - 1:23:13)
it is. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:14 - 1:23:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:14 - 1:23:15)
Not too much.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:18 - 1:23:24)
Um all right. Uh Dixon is there anything else that you wanna make sure the public sees?

[Speaker 5] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
Um

[Speaker 4] (1:23:24 - 1:23:25)
That we see?

[Speaker 5] (1:23:25 - 1:23:31)
not really. Again, it's gonna hopefully look pretty familiar to to everyone on the out outside at least.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:33 - 1:23:40)
Well, I can just tell you um the the L_D_A_ does require that you hold at least two at least two community meetings.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:40 - 1:23:47)
Um and so we should work with Marcy to get those scheduled so that we can have community feedback. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:23:47 - 1:23:49)
Any timeline on when those need to happen in the

[Speaker 4] (1:23:49 - 1:23:58)
process? Yeah, Doug, I knew you were gonna ask me that. Following the end of the due diligence period and prior to any submission of the board, so we should have had

[Speaker 4] (1:23:59 - 1:24:01)
Sounds like we probably should have had um read

[Speaker 2] (1:24:01 - 1:24:01)
them Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:01 - 1:24:04)
already or at least one of them already. Um but

[Speaker 2] (1:24:04 - 1:24:06)
Prior to submission to the board of the

[Speaker 4] (1:24:06 - 1:24:06)
Submission

[Speaker 2] (1:24:06 - 1:24:06)
schematic.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:06 - 1:24:09)
to the board, uh which would be the approved schematics.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:10 - 1:24:11)
Prior to this.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:11 - 1:24:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:12 - 1:24:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:12 - 1:24:14)
So um

[Speaker 4] (1:24:14 - 1:24:30)
Great news is we've got time between now and October 8th and we can still facilitate that before we approve um schematics, I think it's important we do that because we wrote it into the L_D_A_ and we need to keep ourselves honest. Um

[Speaker 7] (1:24:30 - 1:24:32)
So we get like two back to back meetings

[Speaker 2] (1:24:32 - 1:24:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:32 - 1:24:33)
to help people out,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:33 - 1:24:34)
Yeah, I mean even

[Speaker 7] (1:24:34 - 1:24:34)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:34 - 1:24:35)
if we could do

[Speaker 4] (1:24:35 - 1:24:36)
one you

[Speaker 2] (1:24:36 - 1:24:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:36 - 1:24:42)
know one to educate and then open up some sort of way for folks to communicate and then have another one after you Oh, know

[Speaker 2] (1:24:42 - 1:24:42)
another

[Speaker 4] (1:24:42 - 1:24:43)
like second we

[Speaker 2] (1:24:43 - 1:24:43)
one in

[Speaker 4] (1:24:43 - 1:24:43)
could figure

[Speaker 2] (1:24:43 - 1:24:43)
our,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:43 - 1:24:44)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:24:44 - 1:24:45)
yeah, October 8th meeting,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:45 - 1:24:45)
yep

[Speaker 2] (1:24:45 - 1:24:46)
right, right?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:46 - 1:24:47)
yep we could figure out

[Speaker 2] (1:24:47 - 1:24:47)
Ourself.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:47 - 1:24:58)
how to facilitate that so that we are still in compliance Yeah. with the promises we made and then just to say it upon the completion of the approved schematic design

[Speaker 4] (1:25:01 - 1:25:13)
the there'll be a sub-middle to the Swampscott planning board for approvals. So then there's a whole nother public process with the planning board. Um I think Doug, that's what we were sort of alluding to prior,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:13 - 1:25:14)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:14 - 1:25:16)
um which I couldn't get off the tip of my tongue.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:16 - 1:25:17)
A little bit like Pine Street. We have

[Speaker 4] (1:25:17 - 1:25:17)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:17 - 1:25:18)
to go to the command

[Speaker 4] (1:25:18 - 1:25:18)
exactly.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:18 - 1:25:19)
election. Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:19 - 1:25:20)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:25:20 - 1:25:20)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:20 - 1:25:24)
we just did a similar we just did exactly the same thing for Pine Street where they came forward.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:29 - 1:25:29)
This is black.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:34 - 1:25:34)
It's cold out.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:34 - 1:25:38)
all of our family. Thank you and again uh welcome.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:38 - 1:25:39)
This is the last day we do hospital.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:40 - 1:25:41)
This is a long school day.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:43 - 1:25:47)
it's truncated so um parents can't understand what the kids go through.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:47 - 1:25:47)
Soon.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:48 - 1:25:49)
These are my these are my favourite

[Speaker 4] (1:25:49 - 1:25:49)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:25:49 - 1:25:49)
favourite nights.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:49 - 1:25:52)
so um

[Speaker 5] (1:25:52 - 1:25:53)
system.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:53 - 1:26:08)
um so just to say that's the next step we um I think what Dixon we appreciate you coming we appreciate you presenting all this. Um I think next steps for us is to make sure you guys work with Margie to get a community meeting on the books.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:08 - 1:26:08)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:09 - 1:26:15)
Um at least one if not two before our October 8th meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:15 - 1:26:24)
We will submit a formal request for an extension of time on our review of the schematic design so that we could make sure that these milestones occur that are required under the LDA.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:25 - 1:26:34)
And then we will come back and have another discussion and approval on October 8th. Does that make sense?

[Speaker 5] (1:26:34 - 1:26:35)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:36 - 1:26:44)
It's just us here, so I can't see the people at home, so if you have questions, email,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:44 - 1:26:44)
select word.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:48 - 1:26:53)
Appreciate you coming, Dixon, all this way. Appreciate all this hard work. It's it's very exciting.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:54 - 1:26:58)
Definitely, we're very excited. So there's uh there's our architect Richard,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:58 - 1:26:58)
I think.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:58 - 1:27:00)
Richard, did you have anything you wanted to add?

[Speaker 4] (1:27:00 - 1:27:01)
You don't have

[Speaker 5] (1:27:01 - 1:27:01)
Richard,

[Speaker 9] (1:27:01 - 1:27:01)
to. Oh,

[Speaker 5] (1:27:01 - 1:27:02)
you're good to go to bed.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:02 - 1:27:02)
thank you.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:02 - 1:27:04)
My name is Richard Turlington.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:04 - 1:27:06)
I am the architect.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:06 - 1:27:12)
I'm licensed in the state of Massachusetts and Dixon did a great job. So I didn't need to say anything.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:13 - 1:27:13)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:27:13 - 1:27:13)
Excellent.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:14 - 1:27:15)
Thank you, Richard, for joining us.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:16 - 1:27:17)
All right, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:18 - 1:27:18)
Let

[Speaker 2] (1:27:18 - 1:27:21)
When do we get to start reserving rooms? No, I shouldn't get ahead of myself.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:23 - 1:27:24)
me check the milestone schedule,

[Speaker 2] (1:27:24 - 1:27:25)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:25 - 1:27:25)
Doug.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:26 - 1:27:27)
The Doug Thompson suite.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:27 - 1:27:31)
Thirty nine months from the end of due diligence. Um

[Speaker 5] (1:27:31 - 1:27:33)
If you want to put down a deposit on a big event

[Speaker 7] (1:27:33 - 1:27:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:33 - 1:27:35)
in the future, have at it. Take it.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:35 - 1:27:39)
It sounds like me and my 50th wedding anniversary or something.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:40 - 1:27:45)
All right, wouldn't that be nice. Um, thanks again, Dixon, for your time,

[Speaker 2] (1:27:45 - 1:27:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:45 - 1:27:48)
and uh we will be in touch.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:49 - 1:27:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:51 - 1:27:55)
Um we will move on to the next item on the agenda if I could find

[Speaker 5] (1:27:55 - 1:27:57)
I didn't copy the latest action.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:57 - 1:27:58)
Oh, thanks.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:58 - 1:28:01)
We will absolutely take a gander.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:02 - 1:28:06)
I'm just gonna find in all my mess of papers the

[Speaker 5] (1:28:06 - 1:28:07)
You only have the last week for this.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:09 - 1:28:11)
No, we have a consultant here.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:13 - 1:28:18)
All right, did we pass you the microphone? Can we, Diane, can we pass the microphone over?

[Speaker 4] (1:28:19 - 1:28:19)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:19 - 1:28:23)
onto item number five, we have Chief Archer here,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:23 - 1:28:27)
who is our hazardous mitigation chief.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:28 - 1:28:30)
I don't know what that's called officially,

[Speaker 2] (1:28:30 - 1:28:30)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:28:30 - 1:28:31)
but he wears

[Speaker 2] (1:28:31 - 1:28:32)
am sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:32 - 1:28:37)
the hat which is required to be worn for this item and we have, this is our second

[Speaker 4] (1:28:38 - 1:28:42)
viewing of the hazard of the update of the hazard mitigation plan,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:42 - 1:28:42)
just

[Speaker 10] (1:28:42 - 1:28:43)
Correct, correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:43 - 1:28:44)
as a reminder.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:44 - 1:28:52)
Happy to reintroduce Martin Pillsbury. He's a senior environmental advisor with the Metropolitan Area Planning Council.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:52 - 1:29:00)
He's been instrumental in helping shepherding us through the process of updating our 2015 hazard mitigation plan.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:01 - 1:29:17)
Um, thanks to Martin and a grant secured by Marcy Kolaska, we're in the final stages of rolling out our updated plan, um to help the town prepare for and respond to in actual natural emergencies of all types. Um, Matt Martin has a presentation for the board to get us all up to speed from where we stand.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:18 - 1:29:19)
Okay, smart.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
Thank you, Martin.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
Yes, right.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
Thank you, Martin.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:20 - 1:29:21)
Thank you Chief.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:22 - 1:29:42)
So yeah, if we can go back to the beginning of the presentation. So the start, and uh this is the second time I've been before the board, and thank you very much for the time. We were here I believe it was in March. At that point we were in the mid process of putting the plan together. And the way this works is that there are FEMA requires actually, but it's a good idea too, to have two public meetings.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:43 - 1:29:48)
One like we did when we're in mid mid process, and one when we're now at the point of actually having a draft.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:48 - 1:30:01)
draft plan put together to make it available to the public, make them aware of it, and open it up welcome comments on this MiP plan before we turn it in to Meema and FEMA for their review. So um yeah. Oh, can I?

[Speaker 4] (1:30:01 - 1:30:02)
You wanna do it?

[Speaker 1] (1:30:02 - 1:30:02)
Oh perfect, okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:02 - 1:30:03)
Yeah, let's go.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:04)
Just the error

[Speaker 5] (1:30:04 - 1:30:04)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:30:04 - 1:30:04)
there.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:04 - 1:30:16)
just so the public understands, Marzi posted this as a public meeting, so uh sh not just as a select board meeting, but she advertised it as specifically as the hazard mitigation plan update.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:17 - 1:30:18)
That's right. That's right.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:19 - 1:30:22)
So just a brief context on this,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:28)
doing this kind of a plan is something that FEMA encourages communities across the whole country to do.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:30 - 1:30:52)
Got started when they passed a law way back in 2000, called the Disaster Mitigation Act, which empowered FEMA to think about not only what to do after a disaster, that's always been their job, respond and respond, but to think about what communities can do before a disaster to make themselves more resilient, to reduce how much damage this might occur when these natural events occur. So um it's a it's a nationwide programme.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:52 - 1:30:58)
Swamp Scott has developed uh and and the other thing is that the plans need to be updated every so often.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:57 - 1:30:59)
offered, because all the conditions change,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:00 - 1:31:20)
technology changes, methodologies change, uh and so you're actually here working on you what would be your third hazard mitigation plan since this programme began. The previous one before this was in 2015 and the one before that was around 2010 or 2008 or 10, something like that, when the programme was was first getting started. Uh and

[Speaker 6] (1:31:20 - 1:31:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:20 - 1:31:20)
um

[Speaker 1] (1:31:22 - 1:31:35)
One of the big um advantages from FEMA's point of view of c m doing a plan like this is that um it actually makes a community eligible to then receive grants from FEMA for actual projects that would help you implement the plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:36 - 1:31:49)
Um so what do we mean by hazard mitigation and this is um a bit of a recap of the just introduction that the board saw six months ago, but hopefully there's a few folks out there watching this who didn't see this before. So I'll go over this briefly.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:49 - 1:31:57)
Um it's the idea you see in the green box here on the slide, reducing the impacts of natural hazards through strategies that may include combination of projects.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:58 - 1:31:59)
programs and policies.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:00 - 1:32:25)
Uh and we asked these two questions you see in the lower left side of this, when we do these kinds of plans. What preventative actions are being taken now to reduce damages from these kinds of storm and and natural events. And then when we know what you do now already, as a baseline, we say what additional actions can we take in the future that will increase the community's resilience. That's in a nutshell what the point of these plans is to do.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:25 - 1:32:32)
And when we look at these plans, they are about natural hazards, but not other kinds of hazards that FEMA handles.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:32 - 1:32:34)
So for instance, this is not about Homeland Security,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:34 - 1:32:35)
terrorism,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:36 - 1:32:38)
radiological, nuclear disasters,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:38 - 1:32:40)
anything like that. This is about natural hazards.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:40 - 1:32:42)
So you see the list here, things like flooding,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:42 - 1:32:43)
high wind events,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:44 - 1:32:44)
winter hazards,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:44 - 1:32:45)
blizzards, etc.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:45 - 1:32:47)
Geologic hazards like earthquakes,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:47 - 1:32:51)
landslides, wildfires, extreme temperatures,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:51 - 1:32:52)
droughts.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:52 - 1:33:07)
Every category of natural hazard is in this plan, uh and to some extent the town will have some of these hazards that you face and others are not as important for the town, but the list of hazards is the same for everybody to look at.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:07 - 1:33:16)
Uh the idea behind this program that FEMA put out is to try to slow down and break what they've seen as a cycle of disaster,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:16 - 1:33:17)
rebuild,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:17 - 1:33:19)
disaster, rebuild, and you know rinse, wash,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:19 - 1:33:29)
repeat sort of thing that goes on in many places. And by intervening in this cycle to try to slow it down and reduce how much damages occur when the natural event happen.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:30 - 1:33:33)
Um when we say hazard mitigation it's not one methodology.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:33 - 1:33:41)
or one type of approach. It's actually an umbrella term for a number of different kinds of strategies and actions a community can take,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:41 - 1:33:44)
and this quickly lists here a few of the things,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:44 - 1:33:47)
actions to prevent damages,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:47 - 1:33:54)
actions to protect existing properties that are already located in hazardous zones like flood zones, et cetera,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:55 - 1:33:59)
public education and outreach so that not only what the town does for its own facilities

[Speaker 7] (1:33:59 - 1:34:19)
of these but what the public can do, managing the homes and businesses they have be more aware of the hazards of protection of natural resources that actually help buffer the storms like wetlands etcetera, um and then structural projects uh come into it uh when you may need to actually manage the impacts of drainage and flooding so things like culverts, pumps,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:19 - 1:34:25)
dams, seawalls, etcetera. Uh that's a big part of these plans to look at those and which ones of those might need to be uh upgraded.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:26 - 1:34:46)
and then finally emergency services protection to make sure that the emergency services, and I have the chief right next to me here, and the facilities they rely on, they themselves are protected so that they will be able to provide utility and protection to everyone else in the community. If the first thing that went out in a mass disaster is the fire and the police and the public works yards,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:46 - 1:34:48)
they would be helpless to help everybody else.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:49 - 1:34:50)
It's a little bit like in an airplane,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52)
you know, put the mask on yourself.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:52 - 1:35:18)
self first and then help those around you it's kind of you want to keep those uh emergency services uh intact and operational even under difficult situations so just briefly on how the plan was put together uh and really at the heart of this plan is your local hazard mitigation team the chief here was instrumental in helping pull that together as well as Marzi was and we had several other folks from different departments in the town were

[Speaker 7] (1:35:18 - 1:35:45)
uh uh meeting with with us and we actually had four quarterly meetings which we stepped through the process step by step of uh of getting a lot of local information and data from the members of the team who know your town uh who provided information about the specific situations and conditions in the town that really is not documented anywhere it's not something we can look up online we had to talk the folks who in real time know this and now we've actually have as a result of this documented a lot of that knowledge

[Speaker 7] (1:35:46 - 1:35:54)
uh and that we've you know sort of folks have downloaded for us to bring in. So that's part of the value of having a plan like this to sort of institutionalize that understanding.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:54 - 1:36:01)
Uh and so the t the role of the team was to help us update what the critical facilities are in the community and those are all mapped, I'll show you in a minute,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:01 - 1:36:13)
uh to review the goals for the plan, uh to provide local knowledge about what the impacts of hazards are, especially flooding in this community but other hazards too, uh and review and updated mitigation actions. The whole point

[Speaker 7] (1:36:13 - 1:36:20)
The whole point of this plan is to put together a set of actions the town can then take in the future. And the team really helped guide us through that discussion.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:21 - 1:36:47)
uh this is just a sort of one of those linear timelines to show the process we've been through starting all the way back with the first team meeting which I believe was last July uh and then working on mitigation reviews uh we had our first public meeting there in March um and then a final team meeting to to develop the mitigation strategy after that um I've been working on preparing the draft plan we took all this information we get from the town and then we put it into

[Speaker 7] (1:36:46 - 1:37:05)
to the format that FEMA requires. They are very prescriptive about how these plans have to be laid out and we've sort of done a lot of them so we're trying to make sure we get all the information in a way they want to see it. At the end of the day the plan has to be reviewed and approved by FEMA so we want to make sure we kind of like stay between the lines and follow their rules.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:07 - 1:37:15)
We're now toward the right side here at the second public meeting and the last step after this will be then to submit the

[Speaker 7] (1:37:14 - 1:37:36)
admit the plan to MEMA and FEMA, and I should have mentioned MEMA is the Mass Emergency Management Agency, the state corresponding group. And they're actually the agency that administers the programme on behalf of FEMA in Massachusetts. Uh the grant that Marcy put together comes through MEMA. It's using FEMA funds ultimately, but they're the pass-through for that, and they oversee the plans and projects that get submitted into FEMA.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:37 - 1:37:43)
So let's talk a little bit about the content of the plan itself. There's really two big parts of the plan,

[Speaker 7] (1:37:43 - 1:37:51)
an assessment of what your vulnerabilities are to the hazards, looking at the historic trends, looking at the projections from future, some of these future hazards.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:51 - 1:37:54)
And then once we know what the hazards are to look at the mitigation,

[Speaker 7] (1:37:55 - 1:37:57)
that what can you do about it to make the town more protected.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:58 - 1:37:59)
So let's start with the hazard vulnerability.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:00 - 1:38:04)
And there's a lot going on on this map. I'm sorry that it's a little hard to read from this distance.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:04 - 1:38:11)
But I'll just quickly mention this met this map is showing 71 different critical facility sites that the team identified

[Speaker 7] (1:38:12 - 1:38:37)
W if you get a chance to look at the plan in more detail you'll see lots of little green dots on there. Every one of the dots on this map is a facility that's listed in an inventory, so you can look it up in a in a database and also see where it's located. We also have a number of the different kind of hazards that have been identified in the community. Eight locally identified hazard areas for flooding, uh which show up as like little blue polygons and circles in different parts of the of the map.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:37 - 1:38:51)
And these include, of the eight, actually four of them are along coastal areas and four of them are more inland dealing with like street drainage and storm water drainage. So you have both, obviously in this community flooding is an issue that is both coastal and inland as well.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:52 - 1:39:02)
Four locally identified brush fire hazard areas you see in the red circles. It's largely your largest forested parcels and the Chief helped us make sure we had all of those on the map.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:02 - 1:39:06)
And then there's one hot spot we have here, that little purple area you see up.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:06 - 1:39:14)
see up there, which is um basically where there's elevated surface heat in summer temperatures because of the being a lot more pavement in those kinds

[Speaker 1] (1:39:28 - 1:39:49)
The map, most of the map would be would be pink. So in a sense, you're lucky because the density of your development doesn't have as as severe a an issue with this. Not to say heat isn't an issue everywhere, it still is. Uh but these are areas where it can be a little bit more. So this map actually summarises a lot of the information graphically from all the different kind of hazards you have as well as the hazard uh

[Speaker 2] (1:39:49 - 1:39:51)
Is that that's uh is that Venom?

[Speaker 1] (1:39:52 - 1:39:55)
Yes, uh that exactly, it's along one A_ up there.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:55 - 1:39:57)
Uh up near the Salem line, exactly.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:58 - 1:39:59)
Can I ask just a quick question?

[Speaker 1] (1:39:59 - 1:39:59)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:59 - 1:40:06)
Um where is the police station on Phillips Park in that drawing?

[Speaker 1] (1:40:07 - 1:40:08)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:40:08 - 1:40:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:08 - 1:40:08)
think

[Speaker 2] (1:40:08 - 1:40:08)
Down here.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:09 - 1:40:09)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:40:09 - 1:40:09)
it's

[Speaker 4] (1:40:09 - 1:40:09)
would be way

[Speaker 3] (1:40:10 - 1:40:10)
It's in the blue?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:11 - 1:40:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:11 - 1:40:17)
Thank you so much for staying for our building this is a wrap on our evening and I see you again.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:18 - 1:40:19)
Can you keep your students.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:24 - 1:40:25)
You all got a passing

[Speaker 2] (1:40:25 - 1:40:25)
Point

[Speaker 1] (1:40:25 - 1:40:25)
grade.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:25 - 1:40:25)
it out.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:26 - 1:40:34)
No, I I'm I just want to make sure I had it right. So according to Kleinfeld in the report that they wrote, I think in

[Speaker 2] (1:40:34 - 1:40:34)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:34 - 1:40:36)
I don't remember the year at the

[Speaker 1] (1:40:36 - 1:40:40)
Twenty sixteen. And I actually have a little information from that report in here to.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:40 - 1:40:52)
So my concern is based on that report and based on what you're showing right here, um the police station is in one of the most serious hazard areas and I think the police station is also set up as

[Speaker 3] (1:40:53 - 1:40:57)
Is that our primary emergency center with the

[Speaker 2] (1:40:57 - 1:40:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:57 - 1:41:00)
backup generators and things like that?

[Speaker 2] (1:41:00 - 1:41:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:00 - 1:41:05)
So are we going to need to address to move that change that facility?

[Speaker 5] (1:41:05 - 1:41:07)
No, we have a back there's a backup um

[Speaker 3] (1:41:07 - 1:41:08)
Backup plan?

[Speaker 5] (1:41:08 - 1:41:09)
there's a backup site, yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:09 - 1:41:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:10 - 1:41:19)
But you're asking a very good question. To the point of a of a lining on a map, where are the critical facilities and where are the hazard zones and where are this overlap between the two?

[Speaker 1] (1:41:20 - 1:41:28)
The hazard zones you see on this particular map, the blue areas here, those are the FEMA mapped flood special had special flood hazard areas.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:28 - 1:41:28)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:38)
They're the areas that would be that would be inundated in a one hundred year storm, what they call a one percent storm. So it doesn't flood there all the time by any means,

[Speaker 3] (1:41:38 - 1:41:38)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:38 - 1:41:43)
but it's showing that under those more extreme con conditions of a one percent storm.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:43 - 1:42:01)
some of those areas in blue could could be flooded. Not always. It doesn't say what the depth of flooding is. I mean, it's it could be as little as a foot or six inches and it still counts as flooding, or it could be more. And in fact, some of the some of the maps that Seinfeld did for you um gets an an little more detail

[Speaker 5] (1:42:01 - 1:42:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:01 - 1:42:03)
and we'll look at that in a minute 'cause I actually have something for So that.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:03 - 1:42:04)
our

[Speaker 4] (1:42:04 - 1:42:04)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (1:42:04 - 1:42:10)
just I wanna make sure that we identify if we have the police station there and we have the pumping station there.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:10 - 1:42:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:10 - 1:42:11)
Two, so

[Speaker 1] (1:42:12 - 1:42:23)
It kind of raises questions about the longer-term future, because I mean we're talking about the hundred year flood. So it's not like something that's a f on your doorstep necessarily tomorrow, but it's definitely something to consider.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:23 - 1:42:26)
Well right, but a hundred year flood doesn't mean that it's gonna happen in a hundred years,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:26 - 1:42:26)
No, it's a one

[Speaker 2] (1:42:26 - 1:42:27)
it a happens

[Speaker 1] (1:42:27 - 1:42:27)
% chance.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:27 - 1:42:27)
in, but

[Speaker 1] (1:42:27 - 1:42:28)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:42:28 - 1:42:28)
it a could

[Speaker 1] (1:42:28 - 1:42:28)
one

[Speaker 2] (1:42:28 - 1:42:28)
happen next year,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:28 - 1:42:29)
It could,

[Speaker 2] (1:42:29 - 1:42:29)
it could be, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:42:29 - 1:42:31)
yeah, it could. It's a one percent chance.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:31 - 1:42:34)
Yeah. Aren't the generators elevated or something like that though?

[Speaker 4] (1:42:34 - 1:42:35)
I thought we talked about that last

[Speaker 5] (1:42:35 - 1:42:35)
Bless

[Speaker 4] (1:42:35 - 1:42:36)
time.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:36 - 1:42:36)
you.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:36 - 1:42:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:36 - 1:42:37)
God bless you, Jamie.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:37 - 1:42:40)
But the aren't the generators at the police station, or aren't they elevated in some way?

[Speaker 2] (1:42:40 - 1:42:40)
them

[Speaker 2] (1:42:41 - 1:42:42)
manner?

[Speaker 5] (1:42:42 - 1:42:43)
I don't think so.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:43 - 1:42:43)
No?

[Speaker 5] (1:42:43 - 1:42:44)
No, I don't, I don't.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:44 - 1:42:45)
Nope.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:45 - 1:43:07)
Um I've we don't have to answer this today but whatever the plan B is I'm sure it is a reoccurring conversation as we bring buildings online and offline like for example with a brand new elementary school that has more state-of-the-art capabilities is it does it make sense to transition plan B somewhere like that versus you know if it were at Clark and Clark is you know coming out of

[Speaker 4] (1:43:08 - 1:43:14)
circulation as a occupied building and um I'm sure that that's a topic of conversation with Max and you all.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:14 - 1:43:28)
Absolutely. In the planning stages of the new elementary school, there's a lot of discussion about the uses of that as as an alternate site for our emergency management command center and the capacity of the on-site generation there,

[Speaker 5] (1:43:28 - 1:43:28)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:43:28 - 1:43:28)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:28 - 1:43:31)
that's factored into our plan. Um

[Speaker 5] (1:43:31 - 1:43:39)
Not this particular not this plan per se, but I know in the planning stages when we were beginning that building there was a lot of discussions about that.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:39 - 1:43:40)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:41 - 1:43:56)
And that's actually a good example of an accident that could follow. Like this kind of assessment says here's an issue, be aware of it. What and that's one of the things you might do about it is plan for some other building to take the role that, you know, one that is now in a hazard zone might have.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:56 - 1:43:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:57 - 1:44:00)
Those are the examples of the kind of actions that could follow from something.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
All right, let's,

[Speaker 1] (1:44:01 - 1:44:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:02 - 1:44:02)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:02 - 1:44:07)
Um so actually yeah, I just thought I would repeat what this map is for the flooding.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:08 - 1:44:10)
This map is the FEMA

[Speaker 1] (1:44:10 - 1:44:12)
mapping of special flood hazard areas.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:13 - 1:44:27)
Uh so the one percent chance in that kind of blue colour, the kind of darker purple colour right on the coast, that's what they call the V_E_ zone, which is the area not only subjected to higher water, but also to the vol what they call the velocity zone of wave action. It's close enough

[Speaker 1] (1:44:27 - 1:44:54)
soon enough that you're gonna actually have an the addition of wave action plus the higher levels in the water. So those are typically right along the shore. Uh and you know as you can see here, that the the more rocky headlands, it it doesn't exte extend as far inland. Some of the lower lying areas that you can see up there along uh that edge edge of the town up there it does. So that's the that's the way FEMA would map, le m important to note that that's based on existing conditions.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:54 - 1:45:02)
conditions. That's what theme, how theme exists. The the the potential one percent flood based on today's conditions. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:45:03 - 1:45:08)
Map m mapping has been done to project out the future climate impacts of sea level rise.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:09 - 1:45:23)
uh through the Massachusetts coastal flood risk model, which the state has actually commissioned. And actually Kleinfelder looked at this kind of data as well. Um and uh basically this is looking at three different future flood scenarios.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:24 - 1:45:49)
based on one point two feet of sea level rise, two point four feet and four point two. So whenever you're talking about projection for future sea level, no one knows exactly how much it's gonna be when all the projections usually have a range, sort of a a worst case scenario to a less worse case scenario. Uh and this is the data that Massachusetts put together for a project that actually maps the entire coast of Massachusetts. Uh and so this is what it looks like. And you'll see those re areas remarkable

[Speaker 1] (1:45:49 - 1:46:00)
remarkably similar to the current day. I'll flash back to it. Uh areas that are flooded, but I also like note one difference. All the way down here on the lower end, near the Linn boundary,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:01 - 1:46:04)
that area extends a little bit further up there.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:04 - 1:46:05)
It's down Eastern Avenue, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
Yuck. Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:05 - 1:46:17)
there. Then it does, if you go back to the current flooding. So it is showing some difference for future conditions compared to what this map intends to do to characterise present day conditions.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:18 - 1:46:22)
So that's just one, I think, one thing that's useful to be aware of. Right. The other areas you see here

[Speaker 1] (1:46:23 - 1:46:51)
They're roughly the same geography, although they're you're you're seeing the three different colours of dark blue to medium to light as just being the three different scenarios. And by the way, the years that are next to those sea-level rise are just projected estimates of when we might get to that level, based upon essentially the worst case scenario, the highest curve of sea-level rise. If we're in the middle or lower curve, it would take a lot longer to get to those those like could take to the end of the century or beyond.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:52 - 1:46:56)
So that's just to sort of look at what a you might say a worst case scenario might look like.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:56 - 1:47:19)
When some of these changes would happen the soonest they could might possibly happen according to the current projections. So that's the re that's the issue with with coastal flooding. Um one of the things that drives coastal floods obviously is uh hurricanes, the other is uh nor'easters. So you get hurricanes in this late summer to fall seasons, you get nor'easters in the fall through the winter and into the early spring seasons.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:20 - 1:47:22)
This graph gives you a little sense of the history.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:22 - 1:47:38)
Uh it shows all the tropical s uh storm and hurricane tracks going back to the eighteen sixties uh coming through this area. And only one of them tracks right through Wilmington. It was this tropical depression in nineteen oh two, which I guess most of us don't remember.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:38 - 1:47:47)
Uh but the point being that a tropical storm doesn't have to track right through your town. It's a regional event, uh and you're gonna be affected by the winds and the waves from the

[Speaker 1] (1:47:47 - 1:47:58)
a wide swath. So all these tracks around you, especially the ones that would be more off coast, offshore, because they would be bringing storm surges up against your coast more. And there's quite a few of those.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:58 - 1:48:00)
There were just three of them in 2004,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:01 - 1:48:03)
2007 and 2008.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:03 - 1:48:12)
Looking at that map there were a couple that went back to the 90s and then there were a bunch of them that were at the early part of the 20th century. So it's an interesting trend, but it's just be aware of.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:13 - 1:48:19)
We're right in the middle of a bullseye of a lot of these kinds of storm tracks here in in uh the North Shore area.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:20 - 1:48:38)
Uh another issue besides actual flooding is coastal erosion. Uh the state has done a coastal erosion assessment uh which looks at data actually a long term record from the eighteen forties up to the year twenty eighteen when the study was completed and then they took a shorter segment of just the trends

[Speaker 4] (1:48:39 - 1:48:46)
thank you again everyone for coming. We really appreciate it. We're getting ready to close the building. Thank you

[Speaker 5] (1:48:46 - 1:48:47)
Oh my god.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:47 - 1:48:47)
for attending.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:47 - 1:48:48)
I had a good time.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:48 - 1:48:50)
Losing time.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:50 - 1:48:51)
I'll speed it

[Speaker 7] (1:48:51 - 1:48:51)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:48:51 - 1:48:51)
up guys.

[Speaker 7] (1:48:51 - 1:48:52)
an emp it's an empty threat. But yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:52 - 1:48:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:48:52 - 1:48:53)
that would be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:53 - 1:49:04)
Okay. So this shows you the trends in coast in coastal erosion, which basically the take home here. The earlier one from the long term is only about a tenth of a foot per year.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:05 - 1:49:09)
The more recent trend from 1970 to now is almost a foot a year.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:09 - 1:49:13)
like so that in recent times is accelerating as we've seen in other things.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:14 - 1:49:17)
The plan also looks at all these other hazards.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:17 - 1:49:21)
We're putting a lot of emphasis here on the flooding and the coastal flooding because that's really one of your primary concerns,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:21 - 1:49:24)
but we do, we look at wildfires, we look at extreme heat,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:24 - 1:49:26)
we look at drought, all of that's in the plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:26 - 1:49:31)
To get to the mitigation that the plan is all about,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:31 - 1:49:34)
what are the things a town can do?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:34 - 1:49:39)
So your previous plan had a fairly extensive list of recommended mitigation measures,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:39 - 1:49:44)
and the town in that intervening time has actually implemented quite a few of them.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:44 - 1:49:50)
This isn't even the whole list, but this is just a list that violates all my rules about too many words on a slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:50 - 1:49:52)
We're not going to read all the words,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:52 - 1:49:53)
but to give you a flavor.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:53 - 1:49:57)
A lot of measures have been adopted by the town from previous plans,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:57 - 1:50:00)
so hopefully that plan did help you get started with some of these efforts.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:01 - 1:50:09)
What this new plan for 2025 has is a newly formed set of recommended actions for actions from this point forward.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:09 - 1:50:13)
So this takes some of the measures you had in your last plan that had not yet been done.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:13 - 1:50:17)
The team evaluated them, said some of these are long-term and they're still worth doing,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:17 - 1:50:19)
maybe we'll change them a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:19 - 1:50:45)
what will keep them and we'll roll them over into the new plan and then there's a few new items that were added to this plan uh that weren't in the last plan so this is um and actually there's a longer list than this there's about i think 24 or 25 items that are each one is a recommended measure that you can see when you look at the plan itself just to give you a high level view uh some a lot of the actions are around flooding coastal flooding looking at some of your issues around some of the infrastructure

[Speaker 1] (1:50:46 - 1:50:58)
But then there's things like green site design, increasing tree plantings, uh adopting net zero water use policies, uh some regulatory and policy changes. It's not all just about hard construction projects.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:58 - 1:51:12)
Is it uh can I just ask a question about the grant funding? So uh you had said when we started that there was grants funded through FEMA or Ni MIMA. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:51:13 - 1:51:19)
that we could potentially be eligible as a product of creating and updating these guidelines.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:20 - 1:51:21)
Is it, are we

[Speaker 2] (1:51:22 - 1:51:37)
Is this list inclusive or exclusive in the sense that can we only apply for things that are on our list as marked as recommendations or can we say in the spirit of this recommendation this other thing happened and therefore we can still apply?

[Speaker 1] (1:51:37 - 1:51:40)
You can always apply for anything if you can make a good case for it.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:40 - 1:51:40)
Fantastic.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:40 - 1:51:42)
Information has come up since then.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:43 - 1:51:46)
So it helps your case if something's on the plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:48)
but really only with FEMA grants.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:48 - 1:51:49)
There are other grants out there.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:49 - 1:51:52)
out there that aren't directly aligned to this plan like

[Speaker 2] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:52 - 1:52:15)
especially in the state the municipal vulnerability preparedness action grants they'll might look at this plan but they won't hold you to this exactly if you have some other different idea that just didn't somehow get in this plan you could still make a good case for it as a cost-benefit yes it's still it's eligible yeah good question though because there should be a connection to some degree between

[Speaker 1] (1:52:15 - 1:52:16)
planning and then taking action

[Speaker 2] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:16 - 1:52:17)
and getting funding.

[Speaker 2] (1:52:17 - 1:52:19)
I mean essentially we'd like it to be a roadmap.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:19 - 1:52:22)
It is supposed to be a roadmap exactly, that's right.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:23 - 1:52:41)
Um next steps for the for finishing this plan. So we are like ninety nine point something percent done. We have a draft plan. The draft plan has been posted up um so we'll have a public review period for the next month uh we'll we'll be asking folks who are interested to take a look at the plan is available online. I'm gonna show you a link in a minute.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:41 - 1:52:48)
Uh and um by a month from now we're asking for folks to send us any comments or questions they may have uh by October seventeenth.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:49 - 1:53:14)
Um and then we'll turn around with plan and um turn it into FEMA and MEMA for their review of the plan. And that's where they do kind of a formal review. They have a checklist, you know does the plan of all the components that are needed um will revise it if needed. The comments by FEMA and MEMA almost always have some comments. Um i it's interesting because like you may respond to some comments and do X, Y and Z on some plan and then

[Speaker 1] (1:53:14 - 1:53:21)
And six months later you do another plan. You put all those items in there because you knew they asked for it before.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:21 - 1:53:23)
But now they're going to ask for A,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:23 - 1:53:29)
B and C, something else. So there's always something. But we'll basically revise the plan in any way they may ask.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:31 - 1:53:36)
This board will actually see the plan then come back to them after FEMA has reviewed it and approved it.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:37 - 1:53:40)
The final step FEMA wants to see is that

[Speaker 1] (1:53:40 - 1:53:45)
The communities, the governing board of a community actually has officially adopted the plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:45 - 1:53:53)
So there's like a one-page certificate of adoption in the plan itself that would come back to this board to say okay the plan has been done,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:53 - 1:53:55)
your team has did it, has done it,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:55 - 1:53:56)
the FEMA has approved it.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:57 - 1:54:04)
All you need to do is adopt it and then FEMA will send you a formal letter of plan approval that has a five-year

[Speaker 1] (1:54:05 - 1:54:13)
expiration date to it so it'll be good but from their point of view it'll be in effect for the next five years and that's during that five years that you will have FEMA grant eligibility.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:15 - 1:54:20)
Is there a reason why we would not wait to vote on the plan until after the public review completes?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:20 - 1:54:20)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:21 - 1:54:21)
Because we

[Speaker 2] (1:54:21 - 1:54:21)
Like

[Speaker 1] (1:54:21 - 1:54:21)
could change

[Speaker 2] (1:54:21 - 1:54:22)
right now?

[Speaker 1] (1:54:22 - 1:54:27)
the plan based on the comments that are coming live, Emma and Meena, then you just have to go back and do it all over again.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:27 - 1:54:28)
So we don't vote.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:28 - 1:54:28)
So We we don't.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:28 - 1:54:30)
don't, we're not asking for action tonight,

[Speaker 1] (1:54:30 - 1:54:30)
that's

[Speaker 2] (1:54:30 - 1:54:30)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:54:30 - 1:54:30)
right.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:30 - 1:54:30)
okay, because

[Speaker 4] (1:54:30 - 1:54:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:30 - 1:54:37)
the agenda is, so um good to understand. So you're not asking for action, you'll integrate the public comments back.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:37 - 1:54:37)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:37 - 1:54:39)
Then it'll goes to Mima and FEMA,

[Speaker 1] (1:54:39 - 1:54:39)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:39 - 1:54:42)
then we don't actually vote on it again and

[Speaker 2] (1:54:41 - 1:54:42)
until the

[Speaker 5] (1:54:42 - 1:54:43)
Piggyback.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:43 - 1:54:44)
that final

[Speaker 1] (1:54:44 - 1:54:44)
The

[Speaker 2] (1:54:44 - 1:54:44)
time

[Speaker 1] (1:54:44 - 1:54:49)
final version is there does this settle the reviews that happen. Now we know what the plan has in it.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:49 - 1:54:49)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:49 - 1:54:50)
That's what we'll come back to

[Speaker 2] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
you for.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:50 - 1:54:56)
so this is more not a a stand of approval, but more a discussion. If there's anything that you feel like is missing from the plan

[Speaker 1] (1:54:56 - 1:54:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:56 - 1:55:06)
or anything you'd like to high be highlighted in the plan that hasn't been highlighted in the plan, we should get our comments by October seventeenth or today to our

[Speaker 1] (1:55:06 - 1:55:08)
Any time from now on, that's right.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:08 - 1:55:08)
okay, good.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:08 - 1:55:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:08 - 1:55:08)
Martin,

[Speaker 2] (1:55:08 - 1:55:09)
Fantastic.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:09 - 1:55:10)
Martin one question on this mitigation rather

[Speaker 6] (1:55:10 - 1:55:12)
Mission recommendations uh slide.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:13 - 1:55:17)
This seems like a kind of a real, clearly not in order of priority,

[Speaker 6] (1:55:17 - 1:55:17)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:55:17 - 1:55:21)
No, when you see in the plan there's listed by priority, it shows what priorities are.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:21 - 1:55:23)
This is like a very high level list.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:23 - 1:55:30)
In the plan itself, it's listed out in the matrix that shows for each action, describes a little bit, it says what's high,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:30 - 1:55:31)
medium or low priorities.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:31 - 1:55:37)
It shows which board or commission or department of the town would be the lead agency for each measure and they vary.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:37 - 1:55:40)
It shows most of them in estimated cost estimate.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:40 - 1:55:56)
and a time an estimate an estimated time frame over the next five years for each one of them so that's there's a lot more detail for each of those in the plan itself I just didn't want to throw there's already so much detail in the slide I kind of give you a high-level view of it on the slide but

[Speaker 6] (1:55:56 - 1:55:56)
You

[Speaker 1] (1:55:56 - 1:55:56)
yes

[Speaker 6] (1:55:56 - 1:55:58)
have just, I'm looking,

[Speaker 6] (1:55:58 - 1:56:04)
is that like 106, what of all these things, I mean this is a long laundry list.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:06 - 1:56:11)
Do you have any idea like what the top two or three things, is it in that level of prioritisation?

[Speaker 1] (1:56:12 - 1:56:14)
No, it's not in rank order.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:14 - 1:56:17)
It's there there's there there are classes of high,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:17 - 1:56:17)
medium and low.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:18 - 1:56:23)
And that's what the team looked over these things and figured out which ones would be most important to do.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:23 - 1:56:45)
And it's a combination of sort of a cost benefit, although no f we don't have the information on which to do a formal cost benefit analysis. But you know i is this an item that would have a lot of benefit to the town and would still be cost effective even if it's expensive. Um that's that's the the sort of the way they looked at it. And so yeah everything you'll see there is either link ranked as either high,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:45 - 1:56:46)
is either high, medium or or low priority.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:47 - 1:56:51)
And there's no, yeah, description of what those things are here, right?

[Speaker 7] (1:56:51 - 1:56:53)
Or is there? Is this the colour-coding?

[Speaker 6] (1:56:53 - 1:56:54)
Where is where is the cheat sheet?

[Speaker 7] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54)
I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:55 - 1:56:58)
Um in in here, It there will be a much

[Speaker 1] (1:56:58 - 1:56:58)
In the plan itself,

[Speaker 7] (1:56:58 - 1:56:59)
In it's the plan

[Speaker 1] (1:56:59 - 1:56:59)
a lot more

[Speaker 7] (1:56:59 - 1:56:59)
itself.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:59 - 1:57:00)
detail, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:00 - 1:57:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:01 - 1:57:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:01 - 1:57:01)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:57:01 - 1:57:02)
a absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
All right. Very

[Speaker 6] (1:57:03 - 1:57:04)
Is this

[Speaker 7] (1:57:04 - 1:57:04)
nice.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:04 - 1:57:04)
in there?

[Speaker 2] (1:57:04 - 1:57:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:05 - 1:57:06)
Yes. Yeah, that's it.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:06 - 1:57:08)
Page 142 or something.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:08 - 1:57:10)
Exactly. That's what it seems.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:10 - 1:57:12)
And I guess to be fair to the plan providers,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:13 - 1:57:16)
some of this is going to be driven by finances,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:16 - 1:57:31)
right? Some of this is we might cast a wide net and apply for a bunch of grants and get some that work that some that don't. So we try to, you know, facilitate that through Marcy's department and see what we can get to help us along.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:32 - 1:57:32)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:57:32 - 1:57:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:32 - 1:57:36)
yes, it's important that we call something a p high priority, but

[Speaker 2] (1:57:37 - 1:57:47)
it's better to say a group's a high priority because if we're applying for grants and it's in that high priority bucket, we can maybe help justify why it's important that we get that grant money over something one else.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:47 - 1:57:48)
You let me know when you find it, okay?

[Speaker 6] (1:57:49 - 1:57:50)
Yeah, one thirty three it's marked.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:50 - 1:57:51)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:52 - 1:57:53)
But I see what Martin's

[Speaker 1] (1:57:53 - 1:57:53)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:53 - 1:57:54)
talking about. There are there

[Speaker 1] (1:57:54 - 1:57:55)
could you grab the last slide?

[Speaker 6] (1:57:55 - 1:58:03)
various categories and then within that there are a number of different initiatives. Some are high, some are medium you know so. But yeah, there's not a

[Speaker 1] (1:58:03 - 1:58:07)
There's a little description of what the high, medium and low before the table,

[Speaker 6] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:07 - 1:58:10)
under the table that describes what this one more slide after that.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:10 - 1:58:10)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:10 - 1:58:10)
Is

[Speaker 7] (1:58:10 - 1:58:10)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:10 - 1:58:15)
the table forty eight if anybody's watching and wants to access the plan online.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:15 - 1:58:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:17 - 1:58:27)
There. Okay, so this is the final slide. So uh this link is where people can download the actual plan itself. Uh it's and and you might wanna actually maybe

[Speaker 1] (1:58:28 - 1:58:49)
put this on your town website as well then, right? Uh so people directly from the town. But we have this up on a project page uh and we're I w as I mentioned we're we're asking and welcoming folks to comment and question uh we'd like them to submit by October seventeenth uh and we have a s a dedicated email address to send in comments. So it's ScottResilience@MAPC.org.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:50 - 1:58:50)
Excellent.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:51 - 1:58:51)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:52 - 1:58:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:53 - 1:58:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:54 - 1:58:56)
Thank you very much. It's a lot of information.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:56 - 1:58:56)
A

[Speaker 2] (1:58:56 - 1:58:56)
We've

[Speaker 7] (1:58:56 - 1:58:57)
lot of a lot of information.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:57 - 1:59:04)
digested some of this prior and it's coming back up six months later. So if something should come up, we will see it.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:15 - 1:59:16)
But you

[Speaker 1] (1:59:16 - 1:59:16)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:59:16 - 1:59:16)
already knew

[Speaker 1] (1:59:16 - 1:59:17)
we'll

[Speaker 2] (1:59:17 - 1:59:17)
about

[Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:17)
provide

[Speaker 2] (1:59:17 - 1:59:17)
that.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:21)
the email information so that um folks can reach out to

[Speaker 3] (1:59:21 - 1:59:27)
And I just really wanna thank the team because none of this would happen without the team. We're just the they're the orchestra, I was just the conductor and

[Speaker 2] (1:59:27 - 1:59:27)
Mm.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:27 - 1:59:28)
keeping the theme of

[Speaker 3] (1:59:28 - 1:59:36)
FEMA roadmap in mind, make sure all the data that's brought forward gets then put in the format that FEMA will wanna see. So if the team was just fantastic.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:36 - 1:59:37)
Well, thank you very much to you,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:37 - 1:59:37)
Good

[Speaker 4] (1:59:37 - 1:59:37)
thank you

[Speaker 1] (1:59:37 - 1:59:37)
control

[Speaker 4] (1:59:37 - 1:59:38)
to you.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:38 - 1:59:38)
of your work. Thank

[Speaker 5] (1:59:38 - 1:59:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:39 - 1:59:39)
you.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:39 - 1:59:39)
Thank you. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:39 - 1:59:40)
And others,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:40 - 1:59:40)
And others.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:40 - 1:59:41)
thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:42 - 1:59:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:59:42 - 1:59:42)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:59:42 - 1:59:42)
is.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:42 - 1:59:44)
and you know it's part of the FEMA, for sure. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:45 - 1:59:45)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:46 - 1:59:53)
Um we will move on to um item number six on the agenda, um not sure chief if that's you two, go for it.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:53 - 1:59:54)
Go for it.

[Speaker 7] (1:59:54 - 1:59:57)
Um I believe you have the license agreement in front of you.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:57 - 1:59:57)
Yep,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:57 - 1:59:57)
Do

[Speaker 6] (1:59:57 - 1:59:58)
we do.

[Speaker 7] (1:59:58 - 2:00:01)
we? Oh yes, this is a license agreement for

[Speaker 7] (2:00:01 - 2:00:25)
Number 86, a portion of number 86 Burl Street, uh with the same portion that was occupied previously by the cell door ambulance. Uh oh, thanks. Uh whole port is uh now uh proposing to proposing to occupy that space after um investing significant improvements to the building, to the s to the that that area of the building. They've added um some bit of plumbing, painting, carpeting.

[Speaker 7] (2:00:25 - 2:00:44)
Um um I I wanna see maybe electrical upgrades uh a communication system, I want for our upgrades to the building. And they are um closing in on having all those renovations completed. They are under a um use and occupancy agreement at eighty nine Bowles street, the s

[Speaker 7] (2:00:43 - 2:00:55)
It's former senior centre and s temporarily as temporary digs while they renovate the old police station um to just enhance the build their space and make it a little more useable for them.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:00:57 - 2:01:01)
So they've been upgrading the site that they don't have a lease for or anything.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:01 - 2:01:01)
Uh, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:01 - 2:01:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:02 - 2:01:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:02 - 2:01:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:02 - 2:01:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:01:04 - 2:01:05)
Goodwill.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:05)
That's

[Speaker 11] (2:01:05 - 2:01:05)
Very

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:05)
how committed

[Speaker 11] (2:01:05 - 2:01:05)
nice.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:06)
they are to

[Speaker 11] (2:01:06 - 2:01:06)
Very nice.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:06 - 2:01:08)
being a part of our community.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:08 - 2:01:08)
They yeah,

[Speaker 9] (2:01:08 - 2:01:08)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:01:08 - 2:01:08)
significantly

[Speaker 9] (2:01:08 - 2:01:09)
you have noticed the ambulances

[Speaker 7] (2:01:09 - 2:01:09)
I mean.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:09 - 2:01:14)
that we have electric plug-in ambulances or something too? Seriously, I'm seeing

[Speaker 11] (2:01:14 - 2:01:15)
You're a great talk.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:15 - 2:01:15)
it. Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:01:15 - 2:01:15)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:01:15 - 2:01:16)
You

[Speaker 11] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
you're saying

[Speaker 3] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
don't hear me.

[Speaker 11] (2:01:16 - 2:01:18)
they don't have it so they don't have a lease.

[Speaker 11] (2:01:18 - 2:01:26)
They're upgrading. We have they're paying rent. We were receiving rent from the other ambulance company as well, weren't we?

[Speaker 7] (2:01:26 - 2:01:32)
They have not begun paying rent on 80 on the corner police station yet We were receiving rent from Cataldo

[Speaker 11] (2:01:32 - 2:01:34)
Right, are we receiving from them?

[Speaker 11] (2:01:35 - 2:01:37)
Under three, right?

[Speaker 7] (2:01:37 - 2:01:39)
It was it was less it was less

[Speaker 11] (2:01:39 - 2:01:39)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (2:01:39 - 2:01:39)
we

[Speaker 11] (2:01:39 - 2:01:40)
okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:40 - 2:01:41)
we that we

[Speaker 7] (2:01:42 - 2:02:02)
We calculated based on s on comps of other commercial properties in the area for square footage uh a reasonable square footage uh rental rate um for twenty twenty five as compared to what Cataldo was paying when it was last calculated fifteen years ago.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:03 - 2:02:07)
Right, and we're and it says here the town agrees to credit the licensee

[Speaker 9] (2:02:07 - 2:02:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:08 - 2:02:11)
up to fifteen thousand or thirty percent.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:11 - 2:02:18)
whichever is less of the total cost of work approved by the town under the section applied towards the monthly fees. So

[Speaker 9] (2:02:18 - 2:02:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:19 - 2:02:21)
when was that when was that approved?

[Speaker 9] (2:02:22 - 2:02:23)
It's we're all going to approve it tonight.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:24 - 2:02:24)
It hasn't been

[Speaker 11] (2:02:24 - 2:02:24)
Oh

[Speaker 7] (2:02:24 - 2:02:24)
so yet.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:24 - 2:02:25)
you're you're asking

[Speaker 9] (2:02:25 - 2:02:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:25 - 2:02:25)
us tonight.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:25 - 2:02:26)
Yes, yes.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:26 - 2:02:28)
But they've done work they're doing

[Speaker 9] (2:02:28 - 2:02:28)
But

[Speaker 11] (2:02:28 - 2:02:28)
work.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:28 - 2:02:31)
they've they've done that they've already gone forward with the work.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:31 - 2:02:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:32 - 2:02:34)
But it's gonna get credited against their

[Speaker 7] (2:02:34 - 2:02:38)
If you approve, it would be credited against their their rent.

[Speaker 11] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:39 - 2:02:41)
Okay, but we must have kind of given them

[Speaker 11] (2:02:41 - 2:02:41)
Yes,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:41 - 2:02:41)
some verbal

[Speaker 11] (2:02:41 - 2:02:42)
we did.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:42 - 2:02:42)
indication

[Speaker 11] (2:02:42 - 2:02:44)
Because they've been here before, right? There were

[Speaker 9] (2:02:44 - 2:02:46)
that we were gonna do that, right? That

[Speaker 11] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
When did we do that?

[Speaker 9] (2:02:46 - 2:02:51)
like we were sitting here saying oh isn't that nice they kind of like went over and then improved it wasn't wasn't a free lunch,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:51 - 2:02:51)
It's

[Speaker 9] (2:02:51 - 2:02:51)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:02:51 - 2:02:51)
for Franklin.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:51 - 2:02:51)
Well well

[Speaker 11] (2:02:51 - 2:02:52)
Will you there's can

[Speaker 1] (2:02:52 - 2:02:52)
There

[Speaker 11] (2:02:52 - 2:02:52)
remember?

[Speaker 7] (2:02:52 - 2:02:52)
there's

[Speaker 1] (2:02:52 - 2:02:53)
is a good

[Speaker 7] (2:02:53 - 2:02:53)
there's

[Speaker 1] (2:02:53 - 2:02:53)
worst.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:53 - 2:02:58)
still shouldering the majority of the cost. It's a this is a partial

[Speaker 7] (2:02:58 - 2:03:03)
I mean it's about it's a third oral because it's which is uh whichever is less it'll be a

[Speaker 1] (2:03:03 - 2:03:03)
Fifteen

[Speaker 7] (2:03:03 - 2:03:03)
thirty

[Speaker 1] (2:03:03 - 2:03:03)
thousand

[Speaker 7] (2:03:03 - 2:03:04)
percent or

[Speaker 1] (2:03:04 - 2:03:04)
or

[Speaker 7] (2:03:04 - 2:03:04)
less

[Speaker 1] (2:03:04 - 2:03:04)
thirty percent,

[Speaker 7] (2:03:04 - 2:03:05)
of what there.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:05 - 2:03:06)
whichever is less.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:06 - 2:03:08)
Based on what they they've estimated they're gonna put into it.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:08 - 2:03:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:08 - 2:03:25)
And it kind of it mirrors a similar uh arrangement that we had with Cataldo in the same building. Um in twenty ten they installed a heat a new heating system in the building and we credited uh we credited Cataldo back with a portion of what they

[Speaker 7] (2:03:25 - 2:03:25)
That

[Speaker 1] (2:03:25 - 2:03:26)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:03:26 - 2:03:28)
what they invested in that heating system in the building.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:28 - 2:03:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:28 - 2:03:34)
I mean this is a cost saving measure for us. Even though it means we're not getting rent, we are also not having to

[Speaker 11] (2:03:34 - 2:03:34)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:03:34 - 2:03:35)
make a

[Speaker 11] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
a capital public,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
investment

[Speaker 7] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
Well, we're still

[Speaker 1] (2:03:35 - 2:03:36)
in

[Speaker 7] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
be getting

[Speaker 1] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
building

[Speaker 7] (2:03:36 - 2:03:37)
we'll still be getting rent.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:37 - 2:03:38)
for No no I mean

[Speaker 7] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
yes,

[Speaker 7] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
we'll

[Speaker 1] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
but

[Speaker 7] (2:03:38 - 2:03:39)
be

[Speaker 1] (2:03:39 - 2:03:39)
for

[Speaker 7] (2:03:39 - 2:03:39)
reduced.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:39 - 2:03:41)
the portion for which they are

[Speaker 7] (2:03:41 - 2:03:41)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:41 - 2:03:43)
covering a third of their improvements,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:44 - 2:03:46)
we've now not had to shell out that cash for capital

[Speaker 7] (2:03:46 - 2:03:47)
absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:47 - 2:03:47)
improvements. So

[Speaker 7] (2:03:47 - 2:03:47)
It's absolutely

[Speaker 1] (2:03:47 - 2:03:57)
it's a give and take here and it's important to understand that that that is what's happening. But there is a benefit to the town for doing that as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:57 - 2:04:14)
that as well because now instead of having to go through the capital improvement cycle and potentially be bumped for other what the town may consider more pressing issues Patel though saying no in order for I'm sorry Bofort saying in order for us to maintain the best level of service we're committing two-thirds of the cost of this we

[Speaker 7] (2:04:14 - 2:04:14)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:14 - 2:04:17)
just need the town to defer that through rent deferments.

[Speaker 11] (2:04:17 - 2:04:17)
Yeah

[Speaker 7] (2:04:17 - 2:04:17)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:17 - 2:04:23)
And just to be clear, the way we handled it with Cataldo, we didn't zero out the rent until the full.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:24 - 2:04:37)
commitment was paid back to them, in this case fifteen thousand or or thirty percent, whichever is less. It just reduced it. And it in the the licence agreement in front of you doesn't specify over what period of time we can do it.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:37 - 2:04:42)
We could give them a big break on rent for a short period of time or we could carve off five hundred

[Speaker 3] (2:04:42 - 2:04:42)
Thirty

[Speaker 7] (2:04:42 - 2:04:45)
dollars for over long it however long it takes them to pay it back.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:45 - 2:04:46)
months.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:49 - 2:04:51)
Do we have a definition of the work?

[Speaker 9] (2:04:52 - 2:05:00)
It the the agreement says it's work that is ag agreed to by so it by the town under that section. So they can't

[Speaker 1] (2:05:00 - 2:05:01)
Approved

[Speaker 9] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
just say

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
by the town,

[Speaker 9] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
everything

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:02)
okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:02 - 2:05:14)
we've done counts towards that. It's only work that's pre-agreed by they it requires that they provide the town with invoices and bills and and paid cash checks and

[Speaker 1] (2:05:14 - 2:05:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:14 - 2:05:15)
that we approve of

[Speaker 7] (2:05:16 - 2:05:19)
any work to count towards this process.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:19 - 2:05:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:20 - 2:05:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:05:20 - 2:05:23)
So have have you approved this? Like have you reviewed any of

[Speaker 3] (2:05:23 - 2:05:23)
I

[Speaker 11] (2:05:23 - 2:05:23)
this?

[Speaker 3] (2:05:23 - 2:05:24)
have not. How was it?

[Speaker 11] (2:05:24 - 2:05:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:25 - 2:05:25)
Nope.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:26 - 2:05:37)
So I think if if we approve the license agreement what the next step will be is to have a good understanding for Gina to have a good understanding of the work that we think is applicable to deduct from the cost

[Speaker 7] (2:05:37 - 2:05:37)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:37 - 2:05:37)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:37 - 2:05:37)
and

[Speaker 7] (2:05:37 - 2:05:41)
They can propose anything to be applied towards that cost.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:41 - 2:05:52)
then we will approve we being the town administrator will approve that work and then somebody either on the town administrator side or chief will make sure that

[Speaker 1] (2:05:53 - 2:05:58)
As the invoices come in, we have a tally between the fifteen thousand or the thirty percent.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:58 - 2:05:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:58 - 2:05:59)
Whatever's less.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:59 - 2:06:00)
Yes. Whatever's

[Speaker 1] (2:06:00 - 2:06:00)
And then

[Speaker 7] (2:06:00 - 2:06:00)
less.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:00 - 2:06:09)
we'll make sure that it's reflected correctly. I think uh for me, I just worry if it's reflected correctly because we're short staffed on the accounting side right now, right? So

[Speaker 7] (2:06:09 - 2:06:09)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:09 - 2:06:20)
as we implement more complicated agreements without the support staff, we just want to make sure that, you know, we're not overpaying, we're not underpaying, but we're paying what we're contractually contractually obligated to.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:20 - 2:06:20)
Sure.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21)
You have to

[Speaker 7] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21)
To answer

[Speaker 9] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21)
be sure

[Speaker 7] (2:06:21 - 2:06:22)
your the question

[Speaker 9] (2:06:22 - 2:06:22)
plan approved.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:22 - 2:06:22)
on you,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:22 - 2:06:33)
but from your physical look, Mary Ellen, this was between, this was circulated between um Marcy, uh Max and myself. We kinda like kicked kicked it around and decided how best to do it.

[Speaker 11] (2:06:35 - 2:06:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:37 - 2:06:38)
Uh s uh so moved for approval.

[Speaker 11] (2:06:39 - 2:06:40)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:40 - 2:06:41)
Excellent. All those in favor?

[Speaker 11] (2:06:41 - 2:06:42)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:42 - 2:06:44)
Aye. Opposed? Wonderful.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:45 - 2:06:50)
Okay. I also would like to mention that Boatport has been a active community member in a lot of community events lately,

[Speaker 12] (2:06:50 - 2:06:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:50 - 2:06:53)
uh whether we're paying them to be there or not. Uh

[Speaker 7] (2:06:53 - 2:06:53)
No, we don't.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:53 - 2:06:54)
so we're not.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:54 - 2:06:55)
No, we're not.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:55 - 2:07:04)
Uh I'm not saying like they're sh they've well I they were at the football game unfortunately on Friday, but outside from that they have been to many other free events and so they're

[Speaker 12] (2:07:04 - 2:07:05)
Yeah. The block party.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:05 - 2:07:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:05 - 2:07:07)
The block party, they were there.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:07 - 2:07:07)
Running

[Speaker 7] (2:07:07 - 2:07:07)
I mean,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:07 - 2:07:07)
their

[Speaker 7] (2:07:07 - 2:07:07)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:07:07 - 2:07:07)
juice.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:07 - 2:07:11)
the contract does specify that they will come to us they'll

[Speaker 7] (2:07:11 - 2:07:25)
um have a presence at a s sp at an at an unspecified number of community um events. Um it it does specify a certain number of trainings, community trainings like sepa first responder trainings, uh C_P_R_ trainings, but

[Speaker 3] (2:07:25 - 2:07:25)
Mm.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:25 - 2:07:32)
they've got they've already been going above that. They they every time, I mean before we they came to the block party that was before they had

[Speaker 11] (2:07:32 - 2:07:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:32 - 2:07:32)
any

[Speaker 11] (2:07:32 - 2:07:33)
they didn't even have a doctor.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:33 - 2:07:34)
uh they didn't sign any

[Speaker 11] (2:07:34 - 2:07:35)
On a really short notice they

[Speaker 7] (2:07:35 - 2:07:36)
uh came. on a very short notice.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:36 - 2:07:36)
Sorry.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:36 - 2:07:36)
came.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:36 - 2:07:37)
Very nice.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:37 - 2:07:38)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:39 - 2:07:40)
Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:40 - 2:07:40)
Thanks.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:41 - 2:07:41)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:41 - 2:07:51)
At the indulgence of the board, I will move item eight to the next agenda item and we will move on to goals after that, if that is okay with everybody.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:51 - 2:07:51)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:51 - 2:08:06)
Hopefully this is the second time we are discussing this, so rather make it wait till goals are discussed. This was discussed in light of the payment of the invoice.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:07 - 2:08:28)
Um, Vice Chair Thompson brought it up as where we should be adding language that protects, um, unauthorized expenditures or more transparency in the expenditure process. Um, I believe it's Chapter 7 of we are looking at the...

[Speaker 11] (2:08:30 - 2:08:32)
I had a small question, a meeting question.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:32 - 2:08:32)
Sure.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:32 - 2:08:34)
How does, for example,

[Speaker 11] (2:08:34 - 2:08:35)
Um

[Speaker 11] (2:08:37 - 2:08:59)
when, you know example of we spent almost a hundred thousand dollars on a Hawthorne study committee on that library and a couple on the library and a couple of the seminars and that was never discussed in public or with the select board things like that. So how would how would that

[Speaker 2] (2:09:03 - 2:09:07)
I think that's another great example actually. I mean that shouldn't happen.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:07 - 2:09:08)
Is he a hundred thousand dollars?

[Speaker 1] (2:09:08 - 2:09:09)
Just short of a hundred thousand.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:11 - 2:09:13)
We got a grant for part of it too, but

[Speaker 3] (2:09:13 - 2:09:15)
Well, that's an important piece of it.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:15 - 2:09:16)
Well no,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:16 - 2:09:16)
A crucial

[Speaker 1] (2:09:16 - 2:09:16)
because grant

[Speaker 3] (2:09:16 - 2:09:17)
part of the Acquis

[Speaker 1] (2:09:17 - 2:09:19)
grant of a grant could have also gone to other things too, but

[Speaker 3] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:19 - 2:09:22)
there was it was still the spending expending of

[Speaker 1] (2:09:23 - 2:09:24)
So the spending.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:25 - 2:09:30)
Bec well well to be fair, this doesn't cover that then if it was grant funded because it says the expending of

[Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30)
That

[Speaker 3] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30)
some

[Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:31)
all not all was

[Speaker 3] (2:09:31 - 2:09:31)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:09:31 - 2:09:32)
um

[Speaker 2] (2:09:35 - 2:09:36)
Well we also have a thing about grants.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:36 - 2:09:36)
Grant funding is considered town.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:36 - 2:09:40)
We did put a cap on, remember the c we we put a a requirement on the grants

[Speaker 1] (2:09:40 - 2:09:40)
Fifty thousand.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:40 - 2:09:43)
too that we needed to be notified was it fifty fifty?

[Speaker 1] (2:09:43 - 2:09:46)
Was it fifty? No, we didn't put a gre so that was our that was

[Speaker 3] (2:09:46 - 2:09:46)
That was our

[Speaker 1] (2:09:46 - 2:09:47)
that was already

[Speaker 3] (2:09:47 - 2:09:47)
art of the charter.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:47 - 2:09:48)
our financial policy.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:48 - 2:09:49)
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:49 - 2:09:52)
What we did was we said let's start following our financial policy.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:53 - 2:09:54)
That was in our financial policy

[Speaker 2] (2:09:54 - 2:09:55)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:55 - 2:09:55)
prior

[Speaker 2] (2:09:55 - 2:09:55)
okay. But

[Speaker 1] (2:09:55 - 2:09:55)
to that.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:55 - 2:09:56)
we reduced the the threshold.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:56 - 2:10:00)
We reduced the dollar amount. We we put a cap in there on what we were gonna ask for.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:01 - 2:10:03)
'Cause we mainly just wanted to make sure we were aware of things

[Speaker 1] (2:10:03 - 2:10:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:03 - 2:10:04)
that were happening, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:04 - 2:10:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:05 - 2:10:09)
Okay, so in some ways that would catch part of that thing with the Hawthorne, because that

[Speaker 1] (2:10:09 - 2:10:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:09 - 2:10:09)
was a grant.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:09 - 2:10:15)
I think I think now, yeah for with part of a grant, but it wouldn't catch additional additional finances.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:16 - 2:10:19)
And I think the middle ground here, the idea,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:19 - 2:10:24)
because we don't obviously don't want to be sitting here like approving every single thing that's being spent, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:25 - 2:10:31)
But what this does, there's two pieces to this in this simple little sentence,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:31 - 2:10:31)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:31 - 2:10:44)
One is that either at least the town administrator has to have had approved it, right? So at least there's that puts the onus and responsibility on the town administrator for clarity and responsibility and accountability,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:44 - 2:10:44)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:46 - 2:10:52)
and it has to come to the select board. Wait a minute, I didn't twelve one thousand dollars?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:53 - 2:10:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:53 - 2:10:56)
I was I was gonna say that that feels like very low

[Speaker 2] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
Yeah and it yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:56 - 2:10:59)
um because uh

[Speaker 2] (2:10:59 - 2:10:59)
That was it.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:59 - 2:11:04)
I was like oh maybe this should say ten thousand dollars but then

[Speaker 2] (2:11:04 - 2:11:05)
Yeah I don't.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:05 - 2:11:10)
that wouldn't catch the item at hand so I don't think you meant that um

[Speaker 1] (2:11:10 - 2:11:12)
We want to change it to five thousand.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
Is that

[Speaker 1] (2:11:19 - 2:11:22)
Or w so what's the problem with leaving it just at one thousand?

[Speaker 3] (2:11:22 - 2:11:23)
I mean I feel like that's a very low threshold

[Speaker 1] (2:11:23 - 2:11:24)
It's a little

[Speaker 3] (2:11:24 - 2:11:26)
and get takes discretion away from the town administrator

[Speaker 2] (2:11:26 - 2:11:27)
It should

[Speaker 3] (2:11:27 - 2:11:27)
to be facilitate

[Speaker 2] (2:11:27 - 2:11:29)
it should it should be or.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:29 - 2:11:37)
I think is the intent here. So it's either the town administrator. We've got, you know, we've got a public process, you have to do public procurement, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:37 - 2:11:40)
Town administrator, there's many things that are going to happen at that level.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:41 - 2:11:41)
10, 15,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
20,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
30,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:42 - 2:11:43)
50,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
even whatever,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:44 - 2:11:46)
70,000 that's going to go through public process.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:46 - 2:11:52)
Town administrator's going to sign off on it. By and large, we're probably going to have approved something that has an impact on that, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:52 - 2:11:54)
But if for some reason

[Speaker 2] (2:11:55 - 2:11:58)
The town administrator is not signing off on it. That's the or.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:59 - 2:12:02)
Then there's a low threshold for expending things

[Speaker 2] (2:12:05 - 2:12:06)
that's why it's $1,000.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:07 - 2:12:10)
Because there shouldn't be things that the town administrator

[Speaker 1] (2:12:10 - 2:12:10)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:10 - 2:12:12)
is not authorizing to begin with.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:12 - 2:12:14)
That's the whole point. That's what this, this

[Speaker 3] (2:12:14 - 2:12:17)
You're saying the $1,000 the qualifier for the second part of the sentence,

[Speaker 3] (2:12:17 - 2:12:17)
not the first?

[Speaker 2] (2:12:19 - 2:12:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:19 - 2:12:33)
Select board shall not expend town funds without the town administrator's authority or not or shall not expend funds above $1,000.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:35 - 2:12:37)
We can't just go spend no

[Speaker 3] (2:12:37 - 2:12:37)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:12:37 - 2:12:38)
member

[Speaker 3] (2:12:38 - 2:12:41)
I know what conceptually you're trying to accomplish, but I don't think this is doing that.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:41 - 2:12:41)
So.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:46 - 2:12:53)
I mean I thought the end was purposeful because I thought you wanted to say the town administrator has to authorize it and the select board has to authorize it.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:54 - 2:12:55)
Because there

[Speaker 1] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
have Wait.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:55 - 2:12:59)
been times in the past I'm not this time is not an example, but say the library, for example,

[Speaker 2] (2:12:59 - 2:12:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:59 - 2:13:00)
where

[Speaker 2] (2:13:00 - 2:13:00)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:00 - 2:13:10)
perhaps there wasn't understanding with the town administrator that this was something that the board wanted, but it wasn't necessarily a formal vote taken by the board or as transparent of a process as it should have been.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:10 - 2:13:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:11 - 2:13:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:11 - 2:13:13)
So then in that instance it would make sense that

[Speaker 3] (2:13:15 - 2:13:24)
We sh we sh the board should have, even if it was just simply to support in a transparent function voted to support the the expenditure

[Speaker 4] (2:13:24 - 2:13:25)
Expenditure.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:25 - 2:13:26)
of such a fund.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:26 - 2:13:28)
So to me it would seem like

[Speaker 3] (2:13:29 - 2:13:35)
uh the select board shall not expend town funds without the town administrator's authority

[Speaker 3] (2:13:36 - 2:13:42)
and without the select board vote for any funds above and then I would say

[Speaker 3] (2:13:43 - 2:13:46)
that one thousand dollars would be would be

[Speaker 2] (2:13:46 - 2:13:50)
But then but then you have every single thing that's happening in town below

[Speaker 2] (2:13:52 - 2:13:56)
five thousand dollars or above five thousand dollars that would have to come to

[Speaker 3] (2:13:56 - 2:13:58)
Yeah, I don't want to micromanage micromanage

[Speaker 2] (2:13:58 - 2:13:58)
Right. That's

[Speaker 3] (2:13:58 - 2:13:58)
the town administrator

[Speaker 2] (2:13:58 - 2:13:59)
not that's not the point.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:59 - 2:14:00)
for sure

[Speaker 2] (2:14:00 - 2:14:02)
Not Nixon in front of a seat.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:02 - 2:14:02)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:14:03 - 2:14:05)
So that I

[Speaker 1] (2:14:05 - 2:14:06)
But would the sell select

[Speaker 2] (2:14:06 - 2:14:06)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:14:06 - 2:14:08)
board isn't expending those funds.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:08 - 2:14:09)
the town administrator will

[Speaker 2] (2:14:10 - 2:14:14)
See, I was solving one scenario. Now we've brought up the library which is a different scenario.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:14 - 2:14:14)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:14 - 2:14:23)
So from my scenario like I'm sorry that this uh my chicken scratch maybe didn't make it to Diane the best way here. But um

[Speaker 2] (2:14:25 - 2:14:27)
I mean we

[Speaker 3] (2:14:27 - 2:14:28)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:14:28 - 2:14:28)
One

[Speaker 3] (2:14:28 - 2:14:28)
why

[Speaker 2] (2:14:28 - 2:14:32)
way to do this is select board shall not expend town funds without the town ex administrators

[Speaker 2] (2:14:35 - 2:14:36)
authorities not the right word.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:36 - 2:14:37)
Prior written consent?

[Speaker 2] (2:14:37 - 2:14:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:38 - 2:14:39)
Written authorization.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:42 - 2:14:42)
Period.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:42 - 2:14:44)
Period, no matter what. We don't have money to expend.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:44 - 2:14:45)
Right, right.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:46 - 2:14:52)
Uh, I mean we have very we have a budget, uh it's like two two thousand dollars, I think it's three thousand dollars because we

[Speaker 3] (2:14:53 - 2:14:53)
tax.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:53 - 2:14:58)
There is there is money to spend in different budget line items, so that doesn't that won't cover it that way.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:58 - 2:14:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:58 - 2:14:58)
I think

[Speaker 2] (2:14:58 - 2:15:00)
And so with my statement it does.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:00 - 2:15:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
Full stop.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:01 - 2:15:03)
Yeah, I think his statement does it.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:03 - 2:15:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:04 - 2:15:04)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:15:04 - 2:15:04)
I'll have just to read that.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:04 - 2:15:05)
to cover what

[Speaker 1] (2:15:05 - 2:15:13)
Just to cover what you're saying, um you are saying that and not without select board vote for any above one thousand.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:13 - 2:15:15)
Well, he's just taking that out.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:15 - 2:15:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:15 - 2:15:15)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:15:15 - 2:15:15)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:15 - 2:15:15)
he's got he's

[Speaker 1] (2:15:15 - 2:15:16)
you take that,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:16 - 2:15:16)
he's

[Speaker 1] (2:15:16 - 2:15:16)
right,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:16 - 2:15:16)
making friendly

[Speaker 1] (2:15:16 - 2:15:16)
right.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:16 - 2:15:24)
amendments to himself to say select board shall not extend town funds without the town administrators prior written.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:25 - 2:15:26)
Authority.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:26 - 2:15:27)
Right, I would just

[Speaker 5] (2:15:27 - 2:15:27)
Approval.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:27 - 2:15:27)
leave it

[Speaker 3] (2:15:27 - 2:15:27)
Approval,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:27 - 2:15:27)
and

[Speaker 5] (2:15:27 - 2:15:27)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:27 - 2:15:28)
approved,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:28 - 2:15:28)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:28 - 2:15:29)
consent, authority, approval.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:29 - 2:15:30)
Whatever you want there.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:30 - 2:15:31)
Just leave it, leave it at that.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:31 - 2:15:39)
And then period. So there's no amount qualifier and then there is no there's

[Speaker 3] (2:15:40 - 2:15:41)
This does I mean it

[Speaker 1] (2:15:41 - 2:15:42)
Yeah, because we doesn't are this

[Speaker 3] (2:15:42 - 2:15:44)
solve the problem that we had because

[Speaker 1] (2:15:44 - 2:15:44)
isn't

[Speaker 3] (2:15:44 - 2:15:46)
What does the select board mean here?

[Speaker 1] (2:15:46 - 2:15:46)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:46 - 2:16:05)
I mean as the chair right now considering what we lived through I would say this means I as the chair need to make sure that I have a vote to go to the town administrator and ask him to expend funds if he supports it but if a chair walks in and says town administrator do you support this and he says yes Then does that mean the chair could

[Speaker 3] (2:16:06 - 2:16:08)
Could does that mean the town administrator is free to spend the funds?

[Speaker 2] (2:16:09 - 2:16:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:10 - 2:16:11)
Well it says here select board.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:12 - 2:16:12)
What?

[Speaker 1] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
So Yeah, but you what does would that need

[Speaker 3] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
mean?

[Speaker 1] (2:16:13 - 2:16:16)
well the select board is a select board not the chair of the select board.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:17 - 2:16:19)
So I think that covers it, select board shall not

[Speaker 1] (2:16:21 - 2:16:21)
Select board.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:22 - 2:16:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:23 - 2:16:25)
Am I you know, am I

[Speaker 3] (2:16:25 - 2:16:25)
I just

[Speaker 1] (2:16:25 - 2:16:25)
wrong like there?

[Speaker 3] (2:16:25 - 2:16:31)
what's the different is what's the different circumstance where I walk into the room and I say Gino

[Speaker 3] (2:16:32 - 2:16:39)
Board supports this, can you please do this? And Juno says, sure, Katie, I'll do it. And then he goes off and does it. And then it turns out I wasn't

[Speaker 1] (2:16:39 - 2:16:39)
I didn't really

[Speaker 3] (2:16:39 - 2:16:40)
forthcoming

[Speaker 1] (2:16:40 - 2:16:40)
know.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:40 - 2:16:45)
Well I mean or Nick knows what the slack board has voted on or not voted on and just

[Speaker 3] (2:16:45 - 2:16:48)
So you are asking for a vote and just say you're asking for a vote.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:49 - 2:16:57)
Well I think basically if you're just saying select board, yeah if if you need it to be if I think that's fine if you write write it that

[Speaker 1] (2:16:58 - 2:17:02)
That detailed. I guess when I look at select board, I look at it that it has to be a vote.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:04 - 2:17:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:05 - 2:17:06)
I'm just looking at history.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:06 - 2:17:09)
Yeah, for reality.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:09 - 2:17:12)
Well, but I don't understand why that, I mean, we didn't, we didn't in that scenario,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:12 - 2:17:16)
you know, I'm, I'm really not like looking back, I'm looking forward.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:16 - 2:17:18)
No, I'm looking at multiple times in history, not just that particular

[Speaker 2] (2:17:18 - 2:17:18)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:18 - 2:17:18)
one where.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:18 - 2:17:19)
well, maybe this,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:19 - 2:17:21)
maybe this won't solve everything,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:21 - 2:17:22)
but in that scenario.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:23 - 2:17:34)
This leftward could not have expended town funds without the town administrator's written -- so it did, and now we're saying you need to have the town administrator to have actually re-had written authorization. That would have dealt with that situation.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:34 - 2:17:36)
Period. Right? Simple.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:38 - 2:17:38)
No?

[Speaker 6] (2:17:39 - 2:17:41)
I mean in theory, but in reality,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:17:41 - 2:17:42)
I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:42 - 2:17:46)
How was it, how did it how does that sentence not deal with that, at least that invoice issue?

[Speaker 2] (2:17:47 - 2:17:47)
It does.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:47 - 2:17:50)
Because if the chair went in on behalf of the select board and

[Speaker 2] (2:17:50 - 2:17:55)
But you're, but you're, you're contorting the chair with the select board. And, and, and,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:56 - 2:17:58)
yes, you're right.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:58 - 2:18:07)
If, if you walked in and said, hey, somehow the select, you're representing the select board and telling the town administrator that, not you, but the chair,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:07 - 2:18:07)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:18:07 - 2:18:09)
that,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:09 - 2:18:12)
oh, the select board supports this, I want you to do this. Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:12 - 2:18:12)
well.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:14 - 2:18:15)
Now we're saying the

[Speaker 2] (2:18:18 - 2:18:20)
town administrator has to have written prior approval.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:23 - 2:18:32)
Okay. But I think to your point, I think, to Katie's point, she's saying she wants to see a select board vote so that there would be no confusion whatsoever.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:33 - 2:18:34)
Is that?

[Speaker 3] (2:18:34 - 2:18:35)
I'm just saying.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:36 - 2:18:46)
Anytime you add a sentence, you just want to make sure the defined terms match what they're meant to match. So if a select board is defined in here somewhere to be specific on what that is, then that sentence is fine to

[Speaker 1] (2:18:46 - 2:18:47)
Why don't we just say with the select board vote?

[Speaker 6] (2:18:48 - 2:18:48)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:50 - 2:18:54)
Because then but then we get into a situation where select boards voting every single thing that

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:03)
No because this sentence is just saying that we shall

[Speaker 3] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
not

[Speaker 3] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
expend

[Speaker 3] (2:19:03 - 2:19:04)
don't ex

[Speaker 1] (2:19:04 - 2:19:05)
Okay, so

[Speaker 1] (2:19:10 - 2:19:11)
Okay, yeah, that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:11 - 2:19:13)
No, we can leave it as is and we can I can let me think

[Speaker 1] (2:19:13 - 2:19:14)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
on

[Speaker 1] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
that's it. fair,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
that's

[Speaker 2] (2:19:14 - 2:19:15)
just trying

[Speaker 1] (2:19:15 - 2:19:15)
fair.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:15 - 2:19:16)
to maybe I'm getting

[Speaker 2] (2:19:18 - 2:19:28)
just a different muscle, a brain muscle legalizing it too much. But to me, if you are saying capital S, capital B, select board, it's an identified term in the policy,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:29 - 2:19:31)
then there should be a definition somewhere.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:31 - 2:19:32)
If there's not a definition,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:32 - 2:19:34)
then you should define it to say what you mean by that.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:35 - 2:19:38)
If your intention is to have a vote,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:39 - 2:19:40)
you should write that.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:40 - 2:19:44)
If your intention is not to have a vote and you want it to be a little more squishy,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:44 - 2:19:46)
then leave it like it is.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:47 - 2:19:48)
Well, it's not just me. I mean,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:48 - 2:19:49)
No no, I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:19:49 - 2:19:49)
I guess.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:49 - 2:19:53)
the board's intention. But I'm saying you because this is your thinking.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:55 - 2:20:01)
Um you know you can't now you make me think actually what I had to begin with is maybe covers it a little bit better,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:01 - 2:20:01)
I think

[Speaker 1] (2:20:01 - 2:20:02)
but.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
it's

[Speaker 2] (2:20:02 - 2:20:12)
Only because I am thinking like I don't want to keep going every problem we have shouldn't involve an edit to a code of conduct. Like we shouldn't have to do that. We should

[Speaker 2] (2:20:13 - 2:20:34)
make rules that generally apply to most situations so we don't get into this point we shouldn't just be like something bad happens make a new rule something bad happens make a new rule so I don't I'm not debating that the rule shouldn't be made what I'm saying is I just don't want to set a precedent going forward that every time something happens we even have to put a line in some process and procedure manual

[Speaker 2] (2:20:35 - 2:20:41)
So I want to be careful about what exactly our intent is on this and if it covers a multitude of sins,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:41 - 2:20:47)
great, it should. It shouldn't just cover one scenario and be the solution to one factual scenario.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:48 - 2:21:03)
I think the main point here is that we all should be voting as one group, right, and it shouldn't be a unilateral decision by one member of this body. So how best to define that, certainly not my wheelhouse, but I think that's the intent here,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:03 - 2:21:03)
Hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:03 - 2:21:03)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:21:04 - 2:21:05)
Well, do you think that sentence is okay?

[Speaker 5] (2:21:05 - 2:21:07)
I do. I mean it seems to make sense

[Speaker 6] (2:21:07 - 2:21:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:07 - 2:21:07)
to me.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:07 - 2:21:08)
As it was.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:08 - 2:21:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:09 - 2:21:09)
As it is right

[Speaker 2] (2:21:09 - 2:21:09)
It'll

[Speaker 6] (2:21:09 - 2:21:09)
now.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:09 - 2:21:15)
say select word shall not expend town funds without the town administrator's prior written authority.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:15 - 2:21:16)
Are you good with that then?

[Speaker 6] (2:21:17 - 2:21:17)
Katie?

[Speaker 2] (2:21:18 - 2:21:18)
Yeah, great.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:18 - 2:21:20)
Okay, so looks like we have three at least.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:20 - 2:21:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:21 - 2:21:21)
Does this

[Speaker 5] (2:21:21 - 2:21:21)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:21 - 2:21:22)
anybody want

[Speaker 5] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
but to

[Speaker 2] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
make

[Speaker 5] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
a motion?

[Speaker 5] (2:21:22 - 2:21:23)
point I

[Speaker 6] (2:21:23 - 2:21:23)
You want

[Speaker 5] (2:21:23 - 2:21:23)
do

[Speaker 6] (2:21:23 - 2:21:23)
to make a motion?

[Speaker 5] (2:21:23 - 2:21:29)
this, but this is, you know, Doug had, you know, had feelings on this, so I want to make sure that you're okay with this, because

[Speaker 6] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
How

[Speaker 5] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
this

[Speaker 6] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
are you feeling,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
is your thing.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:29 - 2:21:31)
so... Well, this is your, you

[Speaker 1] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:31 - 2:21:32)
know... I mean it

[Speaker 1] (2:21:32 - 2:21:32)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:32 - 2:21:32)
doesn't

[Speaker 1] (2:21:32 - 2:21:33)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (2:21:33 - 2:21:33)
cover what you want

[Speaker 1] (2:21:33 - 2:21:33)
confused

[Speaker 5] (2:21:33 - 2:21:34)
it to cover.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:34)
now. That's my

[Speaker 6] (2:21:34 - 2:21:34)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:37)
so um because you're saying you think just as it

[Speaker 5] (2:21:37 - 2:21:38)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:21:38 - 2:21:38)
is

[Speaker 5] (2:21:38 - 2:21:38)
think as is,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:38 - 2:21:39)
as

[Speaker 5] (2:21:39 - 2:21:39)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:39 - 2:21:40)
is, the whole

[Speaker 5] (2:21:40 - 2:21:40)
With

[Speaker 1] (2:21:40 - 2:21:40)
thing,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:40 - 2:21:40)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:21:40 - 2:21:40)
we're going flat back to this.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:40 - 2:21:42)
board vote for funds above th... yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:21:42 - 2:21:42)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:42 - 2:21:43)
I do.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:43 - 2:21:43)
do.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:44 - 2:21:48)
Because I think it really what it's saying is we won't do X,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:48 - 2:21:53)
right? So we don't have to vote on every little thing that comes up. We're saying we won't do that without,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:53 - 2:22:00)
right? I it's speaking to us doing it in a unilateral fashion. That's what I think it is. That's what I think it's a preventative for.

[Speaker 5] (2:22:02 - 2:22:04)
That's how I read it. I could be right.

[Speaker 5] (2:22:05 - 2:22:07)
The select board shall not do this.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:07 - 2:22:10)
without town administrators authority or

[Speaker 2] (2:22:10 - 2:22:10)
Why

[Speaker 6] (2:22:10 - 2:22:10)
prior

[Speaker 2] (2:22:10 - 2:22:11)
don't we just take

[Speaker 6] (2:22:11 - 2:22:11)
consent.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:11 - 2:22:16)
the town administrator out of it and just say the select board shall not expend town funds without

[Speaker 6] (2:22:16 - 2:22:17)
Without a select board vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:19 - 2:22:19)
Are there

[Speaker 5] (2:22:19 - 2:22:19)
Not

[Speaker 2] (2:22:19 - 2:22:20)
you go.

[Speaker 5] (2:22:20 - 2:22:23)
will not expend town funds above X dollars without a vote of the board

[Speaker 6] (2:22:23 - 2:22:24)
There you go.

[Speaker 5] (2:22:24 - 2:22:26)
Here's the problem I have is we have a town administrator,

[Speaker 5] (2:22:26 - 2:22:31)
we have a town administrator who does expend the

[Speaker 2] (2:22:31 - 2:22:31)
But

[Speaker 5] (2:22:31 - 2:22:31)
budget.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:31 - 2:22:31)
he still

[Speaker 6] (2:22:31 - 2:22:31)
He

[Speaker 2] (2:22:31 - 2:22:31)
has lines

[Speaker 6] (2:22:31 - 2:22:32)
can.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:32 - 2:22:32)
that he

[Speaker 6] (2:22:32 - 2:22:32)
He can

[Speaker 2] (2:22:32 - 2:22:32)
can do do whatever that.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:32 - 2:22:33)
he likes.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:33 - 2:22:34)
We're talking about us expending

[Speaker 6] (2:22:34 - 2:22:34)
We're just talking

[Speaker 2] (2:22:34 - 2:22:34)
we're

[Speaker 6] (2:22:34 - 2:22:35)
about

[Speaker 2] (2:22:35 - 2:22:35)
not talking

[Speaker 6] (2:22:35 - 2:22:35)
us.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:35 - 2:22:35)
about him

[Speaker 6] (2:22:35 - 2:22:36)
We're policing ourselves.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:36 - 2:22:39)
change the authority he he or she has you

[Speaker 6] (2:22:39 - 2:22:39)
We trust

[Speaker 2] (2:22:39 - 2:22:40)
know based

[Speaker 6] (2:22:40 - 2:22:40)
them to

[Speaker 2] (2:22:40 - 2:22:40)
on

[Speaker 6] (2:22:40 - 2:22:40)
enact.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:40 - 2:22:41)
our actions like

[Speaker 6] (2:22:42 - 2:22:45)
We're saying we're not going to do it. We're not going to individually do it. We're

[Speaker 2] (2:22:45 - 2:22:45)
That's

[Speaker 6] (2:22:45 - 2:22:46)
going to

[Speaker 2] (2:22:46 - 2:22:46)
an us without problem.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:46 - 2:22:46)
a vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:46 - 2:22:47)
Not a them problem.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:47 - 2:22:49)
It is. It totally is.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:50 - 2:22:53)
You should take town administrator out, because it's it's really not

[Speaker 2] (2:22:54 - 2:22:56)
That's why I was trying to get out. So what is the problem

[Speaker 6] (2:22:56 - 2:22:56)
police.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:56 - 2:22:56)
we're trying to solve?

[Speaker 6] (2:22:56 - 2:22:57)
Calling Because self

[Speaker 2] (2:22:57 - 2:23:04)
I just feel like this is far reaching and I don't think that your intention is to take any authority out of the town administrator's hand.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
For

[Speaker 2] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
think

[Speaker 1] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:23:04 - 2:23:05)
it is.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:05 - 2:23:09)
doesn't. This is using the town administrator as a backstop.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:10 - 2:23:12)
to ensure that one

[Speaker 6] (2:23:12 - 2:23:12)
He's checking

[Speaker 1] (2:23:12 - 2:23:13)
or two members

[Speaker 6] (2:23:13 - 2:23:13)
up,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:13 - 2:23:14)
of the select board

[Speaker 6] (2:23:14 - 2:23:14)
pretty much.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:14 - 2:23:16)
uh don't just go

[Speaker 6] (2:23:16 - 2:23:16)
Keeping

[Speaker 1] (2:23:16 - 2:23:16)
to them

[Speaker 6] (2:23:16 - 2:23:16)
us in

[Speaker 1] (2:23:16 - 2:23:16)
without

[Speaker 6] (2:23:16 - 2:23:17)
check.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:17 - 2:23:19)
the full authority of the board to get an expenditure made,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:20 - 2:23:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:20 - 2:23:23)
for example. Um right, so um

[Speaker 6] (2:23:23 - 2:23:25)
So that's why the vote piece is critical there.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:25 - 2:23:28)
Well, that's why I think take him out of it and have it be

[Speaker 2] (2:23:30 - 2:23:31)
we police us, not

[Speaker 6] (2:23:31 - 2:23:32)
Because

[Speaker 2] (2:23:32 - 2:23:32)
he polices us.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:32 - 2:23:34)
keeping him in it actually just

[Speaker 5] (2:23:35 - 2:23:37)
puts him in a worse scenario,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:37 - 2:23:37)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:23:37 - 2:23:37)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:23:37 - 2:23:37)
agree.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:37 - 2:23:47)
We uh we're the ones that wanna police each other, it sounds like, or need to police each other, then let's deal with it as this group, right? Because the town administrators need to be put in that scenario.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:47 - 2:23:55)
Okay, but here here's the problem I I think with what I'm hearing is now the proposal. Select boards shall not expend town funds without a vote of the select board,

[Speaker 5] (2:23:55 - 2:23:55)
There you

[Speaker 1] (2:23:55 - 2:23:55)
right?

[Speaker 5] (2:23:55 - 2:23:56)
go.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:56 - 2:23:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:56 - 2:23:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:58 - 2:24:00)
Well, that's fine, but

[Speaker 1] (2:24:00 - 2:24:07)
Does that stop one or two members of the select board going to the town administrator and saying, I want this X, Y, or Z to happen?

[Speaker 5] (2:24:09 - 2:24:10)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:10 - 2:24:10)
It

[Speaker 5] (2:24:10 - 2:24:10)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:24:10 - 2:24:10)
doesn't

[Speaker 5] (2:24:10 - 2:24:10)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:24:10 - 2:24:10)
still,

[Speaker 5] (2:24:10 - 2:24:11)
mean, and it Oh, shouldn't.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:11 - 2:24:11)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:24:11 - 2:24:13)
but that's at the discretion of the town administrator.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:13 - 2:24:13)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:24:13 - 2:24:13)
The town

[Speaker 5] (2:24:13 - 2:24:14)
I mean.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
administrator w

[Speaker 2] (2:24:15 - 2:24:20)
thinks that that's a goal that's supported by the majority of the board or something that's important a priority he I mean

[Speaker 5] (2:24:21 - 2:24:29)
I mean that's impossible to, you know, police because that is kind of like natural course of what interaction is between select board and a TA,

[Speaker 5] (2:24:29 - 2:24:29)
right?

[Speaker 5] (2:24:29 - 2:24:32)
We're all going to have opinions or thoughts or,

[Speaker 5] (2:24:32 - 2:24:34)
you know, things that we're going to funnel through the TA,

[Speaker 5] (2:24:34 - 2:24:34)
right,

[Speaker 5] (2:24:34 - 2:24:38)
even individually. It, it, that's nature almost.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:38 - 2:24:43)
I understand, but if with that statement you could have an exact replay of what just happened.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:43 - 2:24:44)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:44 - 2:24:44)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:45 - 2:24:49)
Except that the town administrator would have to be the one expending the funds.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:49 - 2:24:50)
Right, but it's

[Speaker 2] (2:24:50 - 2:24:54)
But in this instance, there's debate over whether Juno or not was expending those funds.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:55 - 2:24:56)
Exactly. He

[Speaker 2] (2:24:56 - 2:24:57)
So he

[Speaker 1] (2:24:57 - 2:24:57)
wasn't.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:57 - 2:24:57)
wouldn't

[Speaker 1] (2:24:57 - 2:24:58)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:24:58 - 2:24:58)
he fall into

[Speaker 1] (2:24:58 - 2:24:58)
didn't

[Speaker 2] (2:24:58 - 2:24:58)
this,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:58 - 2:24:58)
he didn't

[Speaker 2] (2:24:58 - 2:24:59)
this wouldn't qualify

[Speaker 1] (2:24:59 - 2:24:59)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:24:59 - 2:25:00)
him.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:00 - 2:25:04)
no, no. With the, with the, with the, well, this is way too much.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:04 - 2:25:08)
So with the proposed revision.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:09 - 2:25:12)
Select board should not expend town funds without a vote of the select board.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:12 - 2:25:14)
If that's what we're operating with,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:16 - 2:25:16)
okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:25:17 - 2:25:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:17 - 2:25:29)
that doesn't stop what happened from happening again, because one or two members of the select board could still go to the town administrator and say, I want this to happen. Town administrator, so

[Speaker 6] (2:25:29 - 2:25:31)
That's been it's happening for, that's been happening

[Speaker 5] (2:25:31 - 2:25:31)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 6] (2:25:31 - 2:25:31)
for the

[Speaker 5] (2:25:31 - 2:25:33)
don't last think that's anything you can control.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:33 - 2:25:34)
I really don't to be honest.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:34 - 2:25:38)
I don't think any sentence in any handbook can control that.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:38 - 2:25:39)
It's human nature.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:39 - 2:25:40)
But I think, well,

[Speaker 6] (2:25:40 - 2:25:43)
what I'm hearing from Doug, and I do agree with Doug,

[Speaker 6] (2:25:43 - 2:25:47)
because that was a problem for me in 2022 and prior to,

[Speaker 6] (2:25:47 - 2:25:49)
is seeing select board members,

[Speaker 6] (2:25:49 - 2:25:52)
you know, one select board member or just two select board members.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:53 - 2:26:13)
you know, running the show financially. And I know for me sitting sitting in that meeting and not even knowing about a library and and then learning later on the amount of money that had been spent on all that on all those studies and and that consultant that was without having that public that was a problem. So

[Speaker 6] (2:26:14 - 2:26:28)
I think what we're trying to do is say is trying to add more transparency and have stuff in front of the board when we're spending big ticket items, right? So if we're trying to do that, we only have a couple line items that are really open to the select board, and that's under consultants,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:28 - 2:26:30)
legal consultants,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:30 - 2:26:38)
and there's another line item, I forget the name of it, but, and those those line items are pretty small under the select board.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:38 - 2:26:40)
budget line item but

[Speaker 5] (2:26:40 - 2:26:51)
Well, we're not talking about line items, we're talking about uh Doug's talking about conceptually any item, it can be up for a debate, right? Because you could go and talk to the T_A_ about anything. Doesn't have to be just your line item, right? Is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:51 - 2:26:51)
Right. Hey,

[Speaker 5] (2:26:51 - 2:26:52)
So that

[Speaker 1] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
wink,

[Speaker 5] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
doesn't

[Speaker 1] (2:26:52 - 2:26:53)
wink, nod nod, I want some uh you

[Speaker 5] (2:26:53 - 2:26:54)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:54 - 2:26:56)
got some solar panels over there, you know like

[Speaker 5] (2:26:56 - 2:26:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:56 - 2:26:58)
you know, I mean now I'm just being silly, right? But I mean,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:58 - 2:26:58)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:58 - 2:26:59)
you know.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:59 - 2:27:00)
spending out of a different

[Speaker 6] (2:27:01 - 2:27:02)
Or suggesting

[Speaker 5] (2:27:02 - 2:27:02)
But you're saying

[Speaker 6] (2:27:02 - 2:27:02)
spending.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:02 - 2:27:04)
it's suggesting spending out of a different budget.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:06 - 2:27:09)
I mean, to some extent we have to kind of let, you

[Speaker 2] (2:27:09 - 2:27:09)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:09 - 2:27:10)
know,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:10 - 2:27:10)
so he's

[Speaker 6] (2:27:10 - 2:27:10)
we have

[Speaker 2] (2:27:10 - 2:27:10)
saying

[Speaker 6] (2:27:10 - 2:27:26)
to in trust the T_A_ to, you know, understand the rules and and and how to interact with each of us, right? I m you know, we have to trust, at some point. We have to trust each other and we have to trust him. I just don't know that any rule is gonna, you know,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:26 - 2:27:30)
prevent human nature from happening. Uh I really can't honestly say I think that.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:32 - 2:27:36)
We could definitely put some parameters and hope for people to follow guidelines.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:36 - 2:27:40)
You know, that's what we ask. But ultimately, do we have total control? Probably not.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:41 - 2:27:43)
I guess I'm I'm fine with the way it's written here. But

[Speaker 6] (2:27:44 - 2:27:49)
I think a vote should definitely happen, because that didn't happen last time, right? And that that was really the crux of it.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:50 - 2:27:51)
There was no vote.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:53 - 2:27:55)
Well, there was no reason for a vote

[Speaker 6] (2:27:57 - 2:27:58)
That's why there was no vote.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:58 - 2:28:02)
Okay, so the only problem I have with my own, let's call this my own language here,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:04 - 2:28:13)
is are we then not subjecting ourselves to approving every single thing above $1,000 that happens in the town?

[Speaker 6] (2:28:13 - 2:28:14)
No, I don't think we are.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:14 - 2:28:17)
Yeah, because it's only when the select board expends funds.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18)
Right, which

[Speaker 1] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
Ah,

[Speaker 5] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:18 - 2:28:19)
thank you.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:19 - 2:28:19)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:19 - 2:28:20)
Great, perfect.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
was just that I was

[Speaker 6] (2:28:21 - 2:28:22)
means

[Speaker 1] (2:28:22 - 2:28:22)
just testing you guys.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:23 - 2:28:25)
So that means we're okay with this language?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:25 - 2:28:27)
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm great with this.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:27 - 2:28:29)
So can somebody tell me what the language actually is?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:29 - 2:28:31)
Exactly what it was.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:31 - 2:28:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:32 - 2:28:32)
So the

[Speaker 1] (2:28:32 - 2:28:32)
The

[Speaker 7] (2:28:32 - 2:28:32)
slickboard

[Speaker 1] (2:28:32 - 2:28:33)
whole thing.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
shall not

[Speaker 6] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
So I

[Speaker 7] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
expand

[Speaker 6] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
would

[Speaker 7] (2:28:33 - 2:28:34)
at the

[Speaker 6] (2:28:34 - 2:28:38)
recommend that we leave it this language and then we re- revisit again. We try it, try

[Speaker 1] (2:28:38 - 2:28:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:38 - 2:28:40)
it on a run and revisit again a year from now.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:41 - 2:28:46)
Slickboard shall not expend town funds without w so we're taking we're deleting the town administrator in?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:46 - 2:28:49)
Yeah. I I'll the only thing I would tweak is I would say Slickboard shall not.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:56 - 2:29:01)
Now they look at it prior written approval and not without select board vote for any funds above $1,000.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:02 - 2:29:03)
So I think, again,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:03 - 2:29:07)
if you are saying that $1,000 relates to both clauses, we should put it first.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:07 - 2:29:11)
But select board shall not expend town funds over $1,000 without the town administrators.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:12 - 2:29:16)
Prior written approval and a select board vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:16 - 2:29:16)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:17 - 2:29:27)
Okay, so I just, I'm so sorry to throw this in there, but what happens if the select board decides they want they need something they need something that

[Speaker 3] (2:29:29 - 2:29:34)
they can't go to the town administrator and ask him for something.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:34 - 2:29:35)
If they it's the all

[Speaker 1] (2:29:35 - 2:29:35)
Like

[Speaker 3] (2:29:35 - 2:29:35)
of a sudden

[Speaker 1] (2:29:35 - 2:29:35)
what?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:35 - 2:29:39)
the select board is an executive session and they need to spend money on something.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:42 - 2:29:46)
That might have to do with the town administrator you

[Speaker 4] (2:29:46 - 2:29:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:47 - 2:29:47)
know what

[Speaker 4] (2:29:47 - 2:29:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:48 - 2:29:49)
I mean because

[Speaker 4] (2:29:49 - 2:29:53)
Except in extreme circumstances. Am we going to put one of those in there that's going to be open-ended? I

[Speaker 2] (2:29:53 - 2:29:53)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:53 - 2:29:53)
mean,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:53 - 2:29:56)
well, maybe now you can... Maybe not.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:56 - 2:29:58)
I hate to put the select board in violation

[Speaker 4] (2:29:58 - 2:30:00)
Maybe we need to discuss this with legal.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:00 - 2:30:04)
Maybe we need some guidance on this because it seems like we're not hitting it.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:05 - 2:30:06)
Oh, maybe.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:06 - 2:30:06)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:06 - 2:30:09)
But maybe just take out the town

[Speaker 3] (2:30:09 - 2:30:09)
Town administrator,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:09 - 2:30:11)
administrators without the town administrators prior written approval.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:11 - 2:30:11)
right.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:11 - 2:30:13)
Go back to select board shall

[Speaker 3] (2:30:13 - 2:30:13)
Select board.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:13 - 2:30:18)
not expend more than a thousand dollars without.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:21 - 2:30:23)
A select board vote. So now you're back to

[Speaker 4] (2:30:23 - 2:30:25)
Yeah, that's just what I said. And

[Speaker 3] (2:30:25 - 2:30:27)
Very good, Katie. Okay, so can we

[Speaker 1] (2:30:27 - 2:30:29)
It is my day job, guys.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:29 - 2:30:31)
Okay, so can uh

[Speaker 4] (2:30:31 - 2:30:38)
Select board will not expend town funds over $1,000 without a vote. Select board vote.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:39 - 2:30:40)
There you go.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:40 - 2:30:43)
Now I know why that's uh okay. I'm back to the same problem I have

[Speaker 1] (2:30:43 - 2:30:43)
with Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:43 - 2:30:43)
my select

[Speaker 1] (2:30:43 - 2:30:45)
you're I mean your argument is cyclical, Doug,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:45 - 2:30:47)
so you're going to be in the same hot water you were in before.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:48 - 2:30:50)
Do you want to do you want to consult legal?

[Speaker 1] (2:30:50 - 2:30:51)
I mean why don't we just consult legal?

[Speaker 3] (2:30:51 - 2:30:53)
Oh, that's

[Speaker 1] (2:30:53 - 2:30:56)
Okay fine I listen I'm fine I'm fine but what I alright.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:56 - 2:30:58)
I don't want to spend any more money on legal.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:00 - 2:31:02)
Yeah but I don't want to put lines in here that don't make sense.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:02 - 2:31:04)
So that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:04 - 2:31:05)
Well

[Speaker 1] (2:31:05 - 2:31:05)
Alright

[Speaker 2] (2:31:05 - 2:31:05)
we

[Speaker 1] (2:31:05 - 2:31:06)
is there a motion on the table?

[Speaker 2] (2:31:07 - 2:31:09)
alright give it to here's my last shot at it

[Speaker 2] (2:31:10 - 2:31:10)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:31:10 - 2:31:12)
This is supposed to be the easier of

[Speaker 2] (2:31:12 - 2:31:12)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:31:12 - 2:31:12)
the two.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:12 - 2:31:13)
know, well, that was

[Speaker 4] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
Soon

[Speaker 2] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
your

[Speaker 4] (2:31:13 - 2:31:14)
soon our new

[Speaker 2] (2:31:14 - 2:31:14)
choice,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:14 - 2:31:14)
TA

[Speaker 2] (2:31:14 - 2:31:14)
Mr.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:14 - 2:31:17)
is gonna walk out the door and cry so let's

[Speaker 2] (2:31:17 - 2:31:22)
Right. Okay, so uh select board shall not

[Speaker 1] (2:31:22 - 2:31:24)
Did we get Nick's signature page before this meeting started?

[Speaker 2] (2:31:24 - 2:31:24)
Wait

[Speaker 4] (2:31:24 - 2:31:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:24 - 2:31:24)
a minute.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:24 - 2:31:26)
do we? Hopefully

[Speaker 2] (2:31:27 - 2:31:28)
Are you, is that what you've been waiting for?

[Speaker 1] (2:31:29 - 2:31:31)
Yeah, he's watching us. He's just here for the fun.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:31 - 2:31:34)
Uh select board shall not expend

[Speaker 2] (2:31:36 - 2:31:41)
More than $1,000 in

[Speaker 1] (2:31:41 - 2:31:42)
Very good.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:44 - 2:31:45)
In town funds.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:47 - 2:31:55)
town funds, I'm keeping in without T

[Speaker 2] (2:31:55 - 2:31:55)
.A.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:57 - 2:32:01)
prior written approval.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:02 - 2:32:03)
I thought we just took that out.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:03 - 2:32:04)
I'm

[Speaker 4] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
Like that.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:04 - 2:32:11)
sorry, I know I'm cutting back, I know, but no I want it in. Um, prior written approval, um

[Speaker 2] (2:32:13 - 2:32:19)
and not without select board vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:26 - 2:32:29)
I want to get the exception in here that you were bringing up.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:30 - 2:32:31)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:45 - 2:32:47)
Except for expenditures.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:49 - 2:32:52)
You want, you're, I'm trying to deal with your scenario.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:53 - 2:32:54)
Our scenario.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:54 - 2:32:56)
Expenditures concerning the town administrator.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:57 - 2:32:59)
Well, is that where we're gonna put it? 'Cause that

[Speaker 2] (2:32:59 - 2:32:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:59 - 2:33:01)
that I think that sounds

[Speaker 1] (2:33:01 - 2:33:02)
inane. I mean, you could say something like except

[Speaker 4] (2:33:02 - 2:33:02)
I love you

[Speaker 1] (2:33:02 - 2:33:03)
with

[Speaker 4] (2:33:03 - 2:33:03)
to death,

[Speaker 1] (2:33:03 - 2:33:03)
expenditures

[Speaker 4] (2:33:03 - 2:33:03)
Dr.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:03 - 2:33:09)
and extreme circumstances, at which point the chair and vice-chair must sign off prior to expendi expenditure.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
Or something like that.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:11 - 2:33:12)
I don't know, yeah, but that

[Speaker 1] (2:33:12 - 2:33:13)
I mean,

[Speaker 4] (2:33:13 - 2:33:13)
is not

[Speaker 1] (2:33:13 - 2:33:13)
I don't not know.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:13 - 2:33:13)
good with that?

[Speaker 2] (2:33:14 - 2:33:15)
It's close enough. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:15 - 2:33:17)
Wait one minute, Daniel.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:18 - 2:33:20)
Um I think we're making this way harder

[Speaker 1] (2:33:20 - 2:33:20)
We than are.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:20 - 2:33:22)
than it needs to be. I don't know.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:23 - 2:33:26)
I get it. I get the intent all around.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:26 - 2:33:29)
I just think that, you

[Speaker 1] (2:33:29 - 2:33:29)
Well

[Speaker 4] (2:33:29 - 2:33:29)
know.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:29 - 2:33:37)
I could I could tell you what legal will say if we go to them and ask them. They're gonna say a line like this and a handbook like this shouldn't exist because a handbook like this shouldn't exist because

[Speaker 3] (2:33:37 - 2:33:38)
Good, that's, forget it.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:38 - 2:33:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:38 - 2:33:43)
Because I'll tell you why, because they have said it to us recently when we've asked them to re-review it. It's been in the comments section,

[Speaker 1] (2:33:43 - 2:33:46)
which is basically like the more things

[Speaker 4] (2:33:46 - 2:33:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:46 - 2:33:49)
you put in writing and then trip up

[Speaker 1] (2:33:49 - 2:33:53)
procedures are, in an effort to be transparent,

[Speaker 1] (2:33:53 - 2:33:57)
often end up putting the town in a worse position than in a better position.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:59 - 2:34:05)
I'm not saying that's something I necessarily agree with, but I am saying that is what they have said to us in the past.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:05 - 2:34:06)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:34:06 - 2:34:08)
Well, that just gets rid of the whole handbook then, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:34:08 - 2:34:19)
Well, I'm not suggesting we get rid of the whole handbook, but I'm saying that's why this does become a slippery slope and every time there's a problem to put a solution to the problem in the handbook actually sometimes begets more problems.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:20 - 2:34:21)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:25 - 2:34:31)
is it not better that we'd all just take a blood oath and say we're not going to do that while we're on the board? I mean, it I I

[Speaker 3] (2:34:31 - 2:34:31)
Sounds good.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:33 - 2:34:35)
I know that doesn't solve problems for future generations,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:35 - 2:34:36)
but like it.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:37 - 2:34:37)
If it is a

[Speaker 2] (2:34:37 - 2:34:38)
So it doesn't yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:34:38 - 2:34:40)
four of us problem,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:40 - 2:34:52)
which sounds like it's not because we brought up other examples where it isn't, then maybe it is just something that we tackle in other ways, like in speaking with the TA about goals and responsibilities and then how we review the TA.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:53 - 2:35:05)
And we look for instances like this where we feel like the support of the board wasn't given prior to action or something like that. Like, I think there are ways we communicate it and make it important without necessarily making it a line in the handbook.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:05 - 2:35:05)
handbook.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:06 - 2:35:12)
But I'm also not trying to skirt the issue and if it's important then we'll live with it in the handbook and we'll be fine.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:13 - 2:35:20)
We're looking for ways to put ourselves in check with an addendum to a handbook and that's just not,

[Speaker 4] (2:35:20 - 2:35:23)
it's not going to work, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:35:23 - 2:35:30)
I think that the intent has to be like that we have to police ourselves and know what we can and can't do,

[Speaker 4] (2:35:30 - 2:35:30)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:35:31 - 2:35:38)
I mean, what what good does this do if we put this in here? So we have a gotcha moment against someone else. I mean what it what what are we looking to do?

[Speaker 5] (2:35:38 - 2:35:39)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:39 - 2:35:59)
Well, yeah I mean it could be more educational right I mean yes it's a small thing I get that but it doesn't seem to be a one-off so you know where else are you gonna have it besides in a handbook to educate people on like this the rules of the road so

[Speaker 2] (2:36:02 - 2:36:04)
You know, an issue in that regard, but

[Speaker 4] (2:36:05 - 2:36:08)
So what happens when we violate this rule?

[Speaker 4] (2:36:09 - 2:36:10)
Who polices this?

[Speaker 4] (2:36:10 - 2:36:13)
And how do we, what do we do about it when it happens?

[Speaker 4] (2:36:13 - 2:36:17)
Like, I mean, are we going to go down that avenue too? Because, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:36:17 - 2:36:19)
Because if that's what we're talking about,

[Speaker 4] (2:36:19 - 2:36:19)
like.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:20 - 2:36:22)
You know, what's the sense of having a rule if

[Speaker 2] (2:36:22 - 2:36:22)
no Oh,

[Speaker 4] (2:36:22 - 2:36:23)
one is policing it

[Speaker 2] (2:36:23 - 2:36:25)
sure. I mean, if you want to be, you know, one,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:25 - 2:36:34)
I think it sends a message educationally to future select board members, to the town administrator as well, like this, these are the rules that you're supposed to be playing in, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:36:34 - 2:36:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:35 - 2:36:40)
And if someone blatantly does this, then, you know, I think you've got grounds for, you know, serious.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:42 - 2:36:45)
you know censure or whatever else i mean this is like a significant

[Speaker 4] (2:36:45 - 2:36:47)
But then we have to put that in here, don't we?

[Speaker 2] (2:36:47 - 2:36:49)
no no i mean

[Speaker 4] (2:36:49 - 2:36:51)
How do we know that then, right? I mean

[Speaker 2] (2:36:51 - 2:37:02)
well anyone can choose to evaluate it as such you know there's no guideline about like these are the twelve things that lead to censure in here for example right

[Speaker 3] (2:37:08 - 2:37:17)
So it sounds like we have three what I'm hearing is we have three people right now are more inclined to not add anything in here.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:18 - 2:37:19)
It's not that I'm not inclined.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:19 - 2:37:19)
I'm not

[Speaker 1] (2:37:19 - 2:37:20)
I just

[Speaker 4] (2:37:20 - 2:37:20)
me

[Speaker 1] (2:37:20 - 2:37:20)
think it needs

[Speaker 4] (2:37:20 - 2:37:20)
either.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:20 - 2:37:20)
to be

[Speaker 4] (2:37:20 - 2:37:21)
I'm inclined

[Speaker 1] (2:37:21 - 2:37:21)
more to developed.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:21 - 2:37:23)
add that we vote on things, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:37:23 - 2:37:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:23 - 2:37:27)
And that expenditures can't happen without as voting as a body, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:37:28 - 2:37:31)
I'm not, that's, that's what I would be comfortable with,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:31 - 2:37:31)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:31 - 2:37:31)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:37:31 - 2:37:32)
so that's

[Speaker 4] (2:37:32 - 2:37:34)
Because I feel like that would safeguard us a little bit.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:34 - 2:37:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:34 - 2:37:46)
Right or at least put some guardrails on what I don't want to do is put the town administrator any this one the next one or any future in an awkward position where they have to police us

[Speaker 3] (2:37:46 - 2:37:52)
So can we just say then that the select board shall not expend town funds without the vote of the majority of the select board?

[Speaker 2] (2:37:57 - 2:37:57)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:57 - 2:37:58)
Would that do it?

[Speaker 3] (2:38:01 - 2:38:02)
Does that help at all?

[Speaker 2] (2:38:02 - 2:38:03)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 1] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
helps.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:03 - 2:38:04)
I mean it's better than nothing.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:04 - 2:38:06)
It's better than nothing. Yeah. I mean, I

[Speaker 4] (2:38:06 - 2:38:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:07 - 2:38:15)
would prefer a select board shall not expend more than 1K in town funds without TA prior written approval and not without select board vote except for expenditures pertaining to the TA.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:16 - 2:38:27)
So I don't, I don't want the TA in here only because of past experience that sometimes the select board does need to vote to spend money.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:27 - 2:38:34)
Um that is outside of the TA's purview or even knowledge.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:35 - 2:38:41)
So that still puts that provision safety net in there with Right. it being a TA and it puts a piece of what you're looking for,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:41 - 2:38:41)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:41 - 2:38:44)
which is that we vote on things and that not one member does it unilaterally.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:45 - 2:38:45)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:45 - 2:38:48)
Right? So I feel like that's a good middle of the road.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:48 - 2:38:49)
Which one, the simple one?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:49 - 2:38:50)
The

[Speaker 3] (2:38:50 - 2:38:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:50 - 2:38:51)
Alright,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:51 - 2:38:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:51 - 2:38:51)
that so sounds.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:51 - 2:39:00)
the simple one is the select board shall not expend talent funds without a majority vote of the select board.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:01 - 2:39:02)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:02 - 2:39:03)
Diane, you have that?

[Speaker 2] (2:39:04 - 2:39:08)
So it costs a large spend town funds, are we saying over one thousand

[Speaker 4] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
dollars?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:08 - 2:39:09)
no,

[Speaker 4] (2:39:09 - 2:39:09)
Or

[Speaker 1] (2:39:09 - 2:39:09)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:09 - 2:39:10)
are we saying at all?

[Speaker 2] (2:39:10 - 2:39:13)
Without a majority select board vote. Without a board vote.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:13 - 2:39:16)
Without the vote of the majority of the select board.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:16 - 2:39:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:17 - 2:39:26)
Alright, so is the motion is to amend the procedures, policies and regulations manual, chapter seven to add the additional language as just described to Diane.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:27 - 2:39:31)
Or I'm just gonna throw this out there, do we wanna wait for David to see if he has an opinion here?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:32 - 2:39:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:32 - 2:39:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:32 - 2:39:33)
I mean we could always

[Speaker 1] (2:39:33 - 2:39:34)
You can always change

[Speaker 4] (2:39:34 - 2:39:34)
we could always

[Speaker 1] (2:39:34 - 2:39:34)
it.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:34 - 2:39:34)
revisit

[Speaker 2] (2:39:34 - 2:39:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:35 - 2:39:35)
it

[Speaker 2] (2:39:35 - 2:39:35)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:35 - 2:39:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:39:35 - 2:39:35)
Um

[Speaker 5] (2:39:35 - 2:39:35)
yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:35 - 2:39:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:36 - 2:39:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:37 - 2:39:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:37 - 2:39:37)
Appreciate

[Speaker 5] (2:39:37 - 2:39:38)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:38 - 2:39:38)
that.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:38 - 2:39:38)
second.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:39 - 2:39:41)
Well nobody motioned, I just said that would be the

[Speaker 2] (2:39:41 - 2:39:42)
motion. That was my motion.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:42 - 2:39:43)
Oh that is the motion,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:43 - 2:39:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:39:43 - 2:39:43)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:43 - 2:39:43)
it's Mary

[Speaker 4] (2:39:43 - 2:39:43)
So Marilyn

[Speaker 1] (2:39:43 - 2:39:43)
Ellison.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:43 - 2:39:45)
then Doug uh all those in favor.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:45 - 2:39:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:45 - 2:39:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:46 - 2:39:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:46 - 2:39:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:47 - 2:39:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:48 - 2:39:49)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:49 - 2:39:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:53 - 2:39:53)
Alright.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:54 - 2:39:55)
Now at nine o'clock.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:55 - 2:39:58)
That was my only goal, so that takes care of that.

[Speaker 5] (2:40:00 - 2:40:02)
He streamlines the next one.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:03 - 2:40:10)
Okay. All right, select board goals. So this is what always happens. Every time we talk about select board goals,

[Speaker 4] (2:40:11 - 2:40:22)
it becomes nine o'clock at night and it's the end of the meeting and it becomes tiresome. Why are you looking at me like that? This is what always happens, which is why last time we made it a Saturday meeting and we prioritized it.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:23 - 2:40:29)
So what Diane has done for us is she has given us...

[Speaker 4] (2:40:30 - 2:40:34)
the goals from the last time we met on goals,

[Speaker 4] (2:40:35 - 2:40:38)
which was June 29th,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:38 - 2:40:39)
2020

[Speaker 4] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
2024,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40)
we

[Speaker 4] (2:40:40 - 2:40:41)
2024.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:42 - 2:40:53)
We met on a Saturday morning in the, on the first floor of town hall and we listed out, not only do we list out goals, we then prioritize those goals as

[Speaker 1] (2:40:53 - 2:40:53)
did

[Speaker 4] (2:40:53 - 2:40:54)
a group.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:55 - 2:40:58)
Which I thought was really great.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:58 - 2:41:10)
So maybe what we could attempt to do is try to create just a list of goals tonight and then when David's back we can try to prioritize those in the next section.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:10 - 2:41:20)
So rather than just having it be a free-for-all let's break it down to make sure all the goals we think we would like to accomplish are on there and then we can talk more completely about.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:22 - 2:41:33)
Um which ones are the priorities? We did that through check marks last time. Um so just to sort of remind you of where we were a little

[Speaker 1] (2:41:33 - 2:41:33)
over Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:33 - 2:41:34)
a year ago.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:35 - 2:41:37)
Um financial

[Speaker 4] (2:41:39 - 2:41:46)
tax levy triple-a rating capital plan the summit the schools were all under one sort of umbrella and it got three check marks.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:47 - 2:41:49)
Uh which means three board members.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:49 - 2:41:50)
Where do you where are you finding this?

[Speaker 4] (2:41:50 - 2:41:50)
That's part of it.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:51 - 2:41:51)
It was

[Speaker 1] (2:41:52 - 2:41:52)
On the back

[Speaker 2] (2:41:52 - 2:41:52)
in the packet.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:52 - 2:41:53)
side.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:53 - 2:41:54)
It's in our new packet.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:54 - 2:41:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:54 - 2:41:54)
Um

[Speaker 4] (2:41:54 - 2:41:55)
Uh that's okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57)
Um

[Speaker 2] (2:41:58 - 2:41:58)
Got it.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:59 - 2:42:13)
people. So a strong team, non-union personnel, union personnel and the contracts, the process by which we go about doing and the relationships also three checks. So those were the two most important things we left with.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:14 - 2:42:41)
um I would say having not revisited this since 2024 uh that the financial piece has still remained a pretty clear priority although we have not had a financial summit um yet uh the hope is that that is on the horizon um two checks was CPA infrastructure and community engagement

[Speaker 4] (2:42:42 - 2:42:47)
One check was economic development, select board relations slash collective unit,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:47 - 2:42:58)
and tax exemptions for lower income residents. And then there were a bunch of other items that were put on as put on here,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:58 - 2:43:01)
but I believe we only gave ourselves two check marks.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:01 - 2:43:02)
Right, there

[Speaker 2] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
you go.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:02 - 2:43:10)
so how did we do so we we just all we put all of our stuff out on the table and then we said okay you only have now that all your stuff's out there you get an additional

[Speaker 4] (2:43:10 - 2:43:10)
You get

[Speaker 2] (2:43:10 - 2:43:10)
two

[Speaker 4] (2:43:10 - 2:43:10)
two checks.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:10 - 2:43:12)
checks you get to use your checks

[Speaker 4] (2:43:12 - 2:43:14)
Yep. And so then that's how we prioritized.

[Speaker 4] (2:43:15 - 2:43:16)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:43:16 - 2:43:17)
What about the creative process?

[Speaker 4] (2:43:19 - 2:43:21)
David provided a handful of ideas.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:24 - 2:43:26)
David provided his four priorities

[Speaker 4] (2:43:26 - 2:43:27)
Yep. So

[Speaker 1] (2:43:28 - 2:43:34)
I think it makes sense to look at these 2024 and actually check off what have been accomplished because significant,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:34 - 2:43:37)
a significant number of them have,

[Speaker 4] (2:43:37 - 2:43:37)
Great, let's

[Speaker 1] (2:43:37 - 2:43:37)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:43:37 - 2:43:37)
do that.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:37 - 2:43:40)
Such as the CPA being passed,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:40 - 2:43:43)
veterans housing.

[Speaker 4] (2:43:45 - 2:43:45)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:43:46 - 2:43:49)
so going down the list, the

[Speaker 4] (2:43:51 - 2:43:55)
This says climate under financial. I'm not sure what that is.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:55 - 2:43:55)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (2:43:55 - 2:43:57)
The middle school,

[Speaker 4] (2:43:57 - 2:43:58)
that one isn't accomplished.

[Speaker 4] (2:43:59 - 2:44:00)
Pedestrian safety,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:00 - 2:44:01)
I guess, is probably that?

[Speaker 1] (2:44:01 - 2:44:02)
don't know how this is financial.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:02 - 2:44:07)
And then Fisherman's Pier and Resiliency Projects, all under financial.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:07 - 2:44:09)
I don't know how that is,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:09 - 2:44:09)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:44:09 - 2:44:09)
but people,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:09 - 2:44:10)
don't, I don't either.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:10 - 2:44:11)
strong team,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:11 - 2:44:11)
non-union,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:11 - 2:44:12)
union contracts,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:12 - 2:44:14)
process and relationships,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:14 - 2:44:14)
I would say.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:15 - 2:44:21)
While an attempt was made, we maybe did do not put that on high on the success list,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:22 - 2:44:22)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:22 - 2:44:23)
unfortunately.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:23 - 2:44:24)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:24 - 2:44:25)
ADA infrastructure,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:25 - 2:44:28)
housing authority,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:28 - 2:44:30)
Philip speech bathroom

[Speaker 4] (2:44:30 - 2:44:32)
Philip speech bathroom,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:32 - 2:44:36)
pedestrian safety and expansion of bike lanes. So at

[Speaker 1] (2:44:36 - 2:44:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:36 - 2:44:39)
least the housing authority piece, I think there was an attempt.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:41 - 2:44:44)
To prioritize that as a ARPA designation,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:45 - 2:44:46)
it just didn't come to fruition.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:47 - 2:44:47)
Right. So I

[Speaker 4] (2:44:47 - 2:44:47)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:44:47 - 2:44:47)
would say,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:47 - 2:44:54)
I think the board is thoughtful of that and for whatever reason.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:56 - 2:44:59)
so I think we've accomplished veterans housing,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:59 - 2:45:00)
we've accomplished securing a hotel,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:01 - 2:45:04)
we've accomplished DEI, we're in the middle of that.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:04 - 2:45:13)
Um we we've accomplished addressing the beaches in the pollution issue. I would say we've actually accomplished that because we've allocated a number

[Speaker 5] (2:45:14 - 2:45:15)
And I'm sure that's what you mean. You were

[Speaker 4] (2:45:15 - 2:45:15)
like

[Speaker 5] (2:45:15 - 2:45:15)
you're

[Speaker 4] (2:45:15 - 2:45:16)
on your own

[Speaker 5] (2:45:16 - 2:45:16)
you're

[Speaker 4] (2:45:16 - 2:45:16)
progressing

[Speaker 5] (2:45:16 - 2:45:16)
okay on goal.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:16 - 2:45:16)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (2:45:16 - 2:45:17)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
we're

[Speaker 4] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
progressing.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:17 - 2:45:18)
did.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:18 - 2:45:19)
We're better than we were in twenty And four

[Speaker 5] (2:45:19 - 2:45:19)
you skipped

[Speaker 6] (2:45:19 - 2:45:19)
in

[Speaker 5] (2:45:19 - 2:45:19)
economic

[Speaker 6] (2:45:19 - 2:45:20)
twenty five.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:20 - 2:45:21)
development, I think, here

[Speaker 1] (2:45:21 - 2:45:21)
I did.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:21 - 2:45:22)
too.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:22 - 2:45:22)
I think

[Speaker 5] (2:45:22 - 2:45:22)
Then it's

[Speaker 6] (2:45:22 - 2:45:22)
then

[Speaker 5] (2:45:22 - 2:45:23)
career square, development.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:23 - 2:45:23)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:23 - 2:45:24)
master's plan,

[Speaker 4] (2:45:24 - 2:45:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:45:24 - 2:45:24)
there's plan.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:24 - 2:45:26)
and it doesn't mean it doesn't appear in twenty twenty five,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:26 - 2:45:28)
because it still could be a priority for us, but Right, we have made

[Speaker 1] (2:45:28 - 2:45:28)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:45:28 - 2:45:28)
progress.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:28 - 2:45:29)
in progress.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:29 - 2:45:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:29 - 2:45:29)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:29 - 2:45:30)
We've made progress.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:30 - 2:45:30)
us.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:31 - 2:45:31)
Oh, definitely

[Speaker 6] (2:45:31 - 2:45:34)
Asset management infrastructure assessments.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:34 - 2:45:36)
So I think

[Speaker 1] (2:45:36 - 2:45:36)
no.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:36 - 2:45:37)
there

[Speaker 1] (2:45:37 - 2:45:37)
We

[Speaker 6] (2:45:37 - 2:45:39)
is some room to grow there.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:40 - 2:45:41)
Community engagement.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:43 - 2:45:43)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:45:43 - 2:45:46)
have definitely improved community engagement,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:46 - 2:45:53)
right? We have not perfected it by any means, but we're on the road towards that,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:53 - 2:45:53)
I would say.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:53 - 2:45:55)
would say there's a difference between

[Speaker 6] (2:45:56 - 2:46:02)
Rec facilitated community engagement and more like what the DEI stuff is talking about community engagement

[Speaker 1] (2:46:02 - 2:46:02)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:02 - 2:46:04)
like so yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:46:04 - 2:46:04)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:04 - 2:46:04)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:46:04 - 2:46:05)
if we think can

[Speaker 6] (2:46:05 - 2:46:05)
there's

[Speaker 1] (2:46:05 - 2:46:10)
encompass the website and, you know, all of that, then we have a ways to go,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:10 - 2:46:10)
but we're

[Speaker 6] (2:46:10 - 2:46:14)
yeah yeah select board acting as a collective unit

[Speaker 1] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
working on that.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:46:15 - 2:46:16)
We

[Speaker 5] (2:46:16 - 2:46:16)
good.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:16 - 2:46:18)
are trying to improve that.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:19 - 2:46:20)
I believe.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:20 - 2:46:27)
I will say, I would say that from 2025 to present,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:27 - 2:46:32)
I hope we have turned a corner, but for a good portion,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:32 - 2:46:33)
we weren't doing that.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:33 - 2:46:38)
So hopefully we are there now and not to sort of pick at old wounds,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:39 - 2:46:41)
but let's continue to prioritize that.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:42 - 2:46:45)
Wait, I s You know what, I can't pretend this.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:47 - 2:46:49)
Just a few meetings ago,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:49 - 2:46:57)
we were not acting like this, and I still feel that that's open. So I'm going to leave it right there, but I I can't go ahead and say yeah, we're acting like a collective unit.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:57 - 2:47:02)
I I think there still is an issue that possibly needs a little bit of soul searching.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:03 - 2:47:05)
So that's all I'm going to say on that one.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:05 - 2:47:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:07 - 2:47:08)
Um

[Speaker 5] (2:47:08 - 2:47:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:09 - 2:47:10)
Hawthorne Vision,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:10 - 2:47:13)
clarity with a good community input.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:13 - 2:47:16)
And we're soliciting that. We're trying to get that.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:16 - 2:47:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:16 - 2:47:19)
And that's actively in the works,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:19 - 2:47:20)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:47:20 - 2:47:29)
Though I do think personally anyway one of my priorities or goals is seeing the Hawthorne vision come to fruition,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:47:30 - 2:47:31)
Having

[Speaker 1] (2:47:31 - 2:47:36)
Hard stop in figuring out what we're doing and doing it sooner rather than later.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:36 - 2:47:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:36 - 2:47:42)
That is my own personal, I'm just putting that out there. That is probably my top priority, to be quite honest.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:45 - 2:47:46)
Community center.

[Speaker 5] (2:47:47 - 2:47:48)
That's, you know,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:48 - 2:47:48)
It's

[Speaker 5] (2:47:48 - 2:47:48)
it's

[Speaker 6] (2:47:48 - 2:47:51)
in, there's some motion there.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:51 - 2:47:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:51 - 2:47:52)
Yep, there's some steps forward,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:52 - 2:47:53)
which is fantastic.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:53 - 2:47:54)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:54 - 2:47:55)
Glover House,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:55 - 2:47:56)
site development,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:56 - 2:47:57)
affordable housing.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:58 - 2:47:59)
There's I feel like this should

[Speaker 1] (2:47:59 - 2:47:59)
compilation of things

[Speaker 6] (2:47:59 - 2:48:00)
be one

[Speaker 1] (2:48:00 - 2:48:00)
that,

[Speaker 6] (2:48:00 - 2:48:00)
under another.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:00 - 2:48:01)
yeah, I mean exactly,

[Speaker 6] (2:48:01 - 2:48:02)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:48:02 - 2:48:02)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:02 - 2:48:03)
Glover.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:05 - 2:48:07)
slide Glover House slash Glover House site development.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:08 - 2:48:09)
Right, and then affordable housing separate.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:10 - 2:48:10)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:10 - 2:48:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:10 - 2:48:10)
but that's

[Speaker 6] (2:48:10 - 2:48:10)
Well

[Speaker 5] (2:48:10 - 2:48:10)
that's it.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:10 - 2:48:12)
it was all related at one

[Speaker 1] (2:48:12 - 2:48:12)
Is

[Speaker 6] (2:48:12 - 2:48:12)
point

[Speaker 1] (2:48:12 - 2:48:12)
it

[Speaker 6] (2:48:12 - 2:48:12)
in time

[Speaker 1] (2:48:12 - 2:48:12)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:48:12 - 2:48:15)
because when we were talking about it in twenty twenty four it was the concept of

[Speaker 5] (2:48:15 - 2:48:17)
So this that's the zoning.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:18 - 2:48:20)
Right, but I but we at the time

[Speaker 2] (2:48:20 - 2:48:20)
Twenty twenty two.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:20 - 2:48:20)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:22 - 2:48:24)
For their that's that gets a

[Speaker 5] (2:48:25 - 2:48:26)
See there's a light check on

[Speaker 6] (2:48:26 - 2:48:26)
Light

[Speaker 5] (2:48:26 - 2:48:27)
that.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:27 - 2:48:27)
check.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:27 - 2:48:27)
Check.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:27 - 2:48:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:28 - 2:48:29)
C_P_A_ I think

[Speaker 1] (2:48:29 - 2:48:30)
Okay, is is a check.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:30 - 2:48:32)
Uh heavy check.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
interesting.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:32 - 2:48:33)
absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:33 - 2:48:39)
It's we'll I mean great um great action has been taken on that.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:39 - 2:48:39)
Climate action.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:39 - 2:48:39)
Climate action.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:39 - 2:48:42)
climate action initiatives I

[Speaker 3] (2:48:42 - 2:48:45)
I'm trying to think like literally within the last year,

[Speaker 3] (2:48:45 - 2:48:46)
I mean there was a lot that happened

[Speaker 1] (2:48:47 - 2:48:48)
know so much happened

[Speaker 1] (2:48:49 - 2:48:50)
quickly

[Speaker 4] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
which was

[Speaker 3] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
When

[Speaker 1] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
great.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:50 - 2:48:52)
Yale was still here and

[Speaker 1] (2:48:52 - 2:48:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:52 - 2:49:01)
the first year, at least when I was here, and then not sure in the last year. I mean the the committee's doing a lot. Oh, we actually got uh green community designation.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:01 - 2:49:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:01 - 2:49:02)
Uh

[Speaker 4] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:02 - 2:49:05)
green community? No. Climate leader. Climate leader. Um

[Speaker 4] (2:49:05 - 2:49:05)
Did

[Speaker 3] (2:49:05 - 2:49:05)
so

[Speaker 4] (2:49:05 - 2:49:07)
we we do that, didn't we get that in 2024?

[Speaker 3] (2:49:07 - 2:49:09)
No, climate leader just came

[Speaker 4] (2:49:09 - 2:49:09)
Just

[Speaker 3] (2:49:09 - 2:49:09)
there's

[Speaker 4] (2:49:09 - 2:49:09)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:49:09 - 2:49:15)
a lot of work that was done by the committee and that just came in the last few months, and that leads to the big grant opportunities. So I think

[Speaker 3] (2:49:15 - 2:49:17)
I think on that alone that's probably

[Speaker 4] (2:49:17 - 2:49:17)
That's a check.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:17 - 2:49:18)
yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:19 - 2:49:21)
Tax exemption. What what is what are we

[Speaker 3] (2:49:21 - 2:49:26)
Yeah, there are a couple of us I think that were interested in pursuing this and we we

[Speaker 4] (2:49:26 - 2:49:26)
Oh

[Speaker 3] (2:49:26 - 2:49:26)
actually

[Speaker 4] (2:49:26 - 2:49:27)
yeah, David

[Speaker 3] (2:49:27 - 2:49:27)
did mentioned do this

[Speaker 4] (2:49:27 - 2:49:27)
it.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:27 - 2:49:27)
a

[Speaker 4] (2:49:27 - 2:49:28)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:28 - 2:49:28)
little bit,

[Speaker 4] (2:49:28 - 2:49:28)
we did,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:28 - 2:49:28)
right in

[Speaker 1] (2:49:28 - 2:49:29)
As he was saying.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:29 - 2:49:29)
there.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:29 - 2:49:29)
we absolutely

[Speaker 3] (2:49:29 - 2:49:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:29 - 2:49:30)
did yes,

[Speaker 4] (2:49:31 - 2:49:34)
that's I didn't know that was what it was referring This was brought up by the Board of Assessors.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:34 - 2:49:35)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:35 - 2:49:37)
Yes. The board yeah the Board of Assessors

[Speaker 1] (2:49:37 - 2:49:37)
Assessors.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:37 - 2:49:39)
owns this one. And David. Yep. Well David actually did too

[Speaker 4] (2:49:41 - 2:49:56)
David David Adelaide he supports it but what the board of assessors actually made changes um recommended l literal changes that you could make for for example you can extend your you could end up not paying your taxes if you're a senior you

[Speaker 5] (2:49:56 - 2:49:56)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:56 - 2:50:01)
could not pay your taxes and then the in the um interest rate

[Speaker 6] (2:50:01 - 2:50:02)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:02 - 2:50:04)
The town meeting was voted to be a much lower interest

[Speaker 6] (2:50:04 - 2:50:09)
rate. Right, but I think David brought up the city of Revere who was doing a similar programme or something to do with the city of Revere

[Speaker 3] (2:50:09 - 2:50:10)
There was another

[Speaker 6] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10)
that

[Speaker 3] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10)
vote.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:10 - 2:50:11)
was doing another programme.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:11 - 2:50:12)
Was did

[Speaker 3] (2:50:12 - 2:50:12)
We

[Speaker 4] (2:50:12 - 2:50:12)
he not?

[Speaker 3] (2:50:12 - 2:50:12)
took a

[Speaker 4] (2:50:12 - 2:50:12)
Different

[Speaker 3] (2:50:12 - 2:50:13)
vote.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:13 - 2:50:13)
programme.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:13 - 2:50:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:13 - 2:50:14)
We took a vote

[Speaker 6] (2:50:14 - 2:50:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:14 - 2:50:16)
to support that in a certain And manner.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:16 - 2:50:17)
it was a similar initiative.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:17 - 2:50:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:17 - 2:50:18)
Okay, so.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:18 - 2:50:19)
But anyway.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:19 - 2:50:21)
Okay, mental health and opioid investments.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:22 - 2:50:22)
ARPA.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:22 - 2:50:24)
Big time.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:25 - 2:50:25)
ARPA.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:25 - 2:50:26)
Yep. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:26 - 2:50:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:28 - 2:50:31)
Elm Place. What is Elm Place integration? I don't really know.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:31 - 2:50:32)
That was

[Speaker 6] (2:50:32 - 2:50:34)
Was that just a like

[Speaker 3] (2:50:34 - 2:50:35)
dealing with the whole fact with the parking

[Speaker 6] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35)
I don't know.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35)
The

[Speaker 3] (2:50:35 - 2:50:36)
and

[Speaker 4] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
West lot?

[Speaker 3] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:36 - 2:50:37)
So that's a chart.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:37 - 2:50:38)
It's really what we're talking about Westlot.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:38 - 2:50:39)
That's in progress.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:39 - 2:50:39)
The traffic,

[Speaker 4] (2:50:39 - 2:50:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:40 - 2:50:41)
you know, working.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:41 - 2:50:41)
That's a little progress.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:42 - 2:50:49)
But I will say that I do feel, without getting into any hot water.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:51 - 2:50:54)
Yes, although there were many things that we learned from Westcott,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:54 - 2:50:59)
the community process that was involved in Westcott and how when the neighborhood started to,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:59 - 2:51:01)
and maybe it wasn't fast enough,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:01 - 2:51:05)
but when Officer Reen got involved and had the community process,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:05 - 2:51:07)
I think that particular...

[Speaker 1] (2:51:09 - 2:51:30)
events sort of spurred a lot of future events from occurring and I think there was a great success there in like having a forum for listening and then taking action based on a collective response of the community feedback and not just selective people and their community feedback.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:30 - 2:51:31)
Right. I think a lot of that,

[Speaker 4] (2:51:31 - 2:51:33)
you know, to just jump on that,

[Speaker 4] (2:51:33 - 2:51:35)
I think Gino and...

[Speaker 4] (2:51:35 - 2:51:41)
Officer Rean deserve all the credit, a ton of credit, all the credit for that by, and and Marzi,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:41 - 2:51:41)
And Marcy,

[Speaker 4] (2:51:41 - 2:51:41)
organising

[Speaker 1] (2:51:41 - 2:51:41)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:41 - 2:52:00)
organising those community meetings, getting people out. I mean Marzi really turned out people in in all those situations. And then Officer Rean and Geno constantly following up that I know my phone is ringing off the hook, and then it seems like things have calmed down and it's much better.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:01 - 2:52:02)
Great job that you guys have done.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:02 - 2:52:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:04 - 2:52:10)
Alright so um I guess maybe if we had to give ourselves a review, like we would say like

[Speaker 3] (2:52:11 - 2:52:12)
C plus.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:12 - 2:52:13)
slightly below

[Speaker 4] (2:52:13 - 2:52:13)
fifty

[Speaker 1] (2:52:13 - 2:52:14)
moderate.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:14 - 2:52:14)
fifty.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:14 - 2:52:14)
That I feel

[Speaker 4] (2:52:14 - 2:52:16)
Well it's a work in progress, what did

[Speaker 3] (2:52:16 - 2:52:16)
Who asked?

[Speaker 4] (2:52:16 - 2:52:16)
you say?

[Speaker 1] (2:52:16 - 2:52:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:16 - 2:52:19)
Who asked you, Jean, how it's on my way out the door?

[Speaker 1] (2:52:19 - 2:52:21)
He says with great confidence,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:21 - 2:52:22)
marking down

[Speaker 4] (2:52:22 - 2:52:23)
So so

[Speaker 1] (2:52:23 - 2:52:23)
to a

[Speaker 4] (2:52:23 - 2:52:27)
should we should we tally up all the things that are our goals now?

[Speaker 4] (2:52:28 - 2:52:28)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:52:28 - 2:52:29)
Yeah, I think

[Speaker 4] (2:52:29 - 2:52:30)
I think we should just start listing

[Speaker 3] (2:52:30 - 2:52:30)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 4] (2:52:30 - 2:52:30)
what

[Speaker 3] (2:52:30 - 2:52:30)
don't know about

[Speaker 4] (2:52:30 - 2:52:30)
our

[Speaker 3] (2:52:30 - 2:52:30)
a grade,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:30 - 2:52:31)
what our

[Speaker 3] (2:52:31 - 2:52:31)
but let's

[Speaker 4] (2:52:31 - 2:52:31)
I don't think we need

[Speaker 3] (2:52:31 - 2:52:32)
get move

[Speaker 4] (2:52:32 - 2:52:32)
a grade.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:32 - 2:52:32)
forward in

[Speaker 4] (2:52:32 - 2:52:32)
I just

[Speaker 3] (2:52:32 - 2:52:33)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33)
No, I wasn't

[Speaker 4] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33)
think we

[Speaker 1] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33)
I'm

[Speaker 4] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33)
need to

[Speaker 1] (2:52:33 - 2:52:39)
I'm sorry, I wasn't saying I just think like it is important that we look back and see

[Speaker 6] (2:52:39 - 2:52:40)
Right. What we accomplished.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:40 - 2:52:41)
What we missed and

[Speaker 6] (2:52:41 - 2:52:41)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:41 - 2:52:47)
what we accomplished so part of looking back to say yes we feel like we've gotten somewhere on some of these it's like okay Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:47 - 2:52:51)
then also what's left is what we didn't do and was there missed opportunity to do any of that

[Speaker 6] (2:52:51 - 2:52:51)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:51 - 2:52:53)
so we don't have to do all that tonight,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:53 - 2:52:54)
but we should definitely

[Speaker 1] (2:52:55 - 2:53:02)
we put together a list going forward and the easiest thing to do would be to say what of these lists are ongoing and we need to continue.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:02 - 2:53:06)
All right, so let's see if we can come up with five each right now, off the top of your head what your list is.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:07 - 2:53:08)
Oh man, I have more than five.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:09 - 2:53:10)
Alright, well I'm sure you do, but let's

[Speaker 4] (2:53:10 - 2:53:11)
Well, but make

[Speaker 6] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
at least

[Speaker 4] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
it maybe

[Speaker 6] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
try

[Speaker 4] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
we

[Speaker 6] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
to see

[Speaker 4] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
could go.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
if

[Speaker 4] (2:53:11 - 2:53:12)
maybe yours will be

[Speaker 6] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12)
kinder.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:12 - 2:53:14)
My first is the hawthorn.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:14 - 2:53:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:14 - 2:53:17)
We need to decide what to do with it, and we

[Speaker 4] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
need That's

[Speaker 6] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
to do that

[Speaker 4] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
a white

[Speaker 6] (2:53:17 - 2:53:18)
sooner rather than later.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:18 - 2:53:19)
board. I know you love that.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:20 - 2:53:21)
Doug loves the whiteboard.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:21 - 2:53:22)
Me for all three people.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:23 - 2:53:25)
Well, it'll be good for t for us.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:26 - 2:53:28)
Some people are visual learners, Doug.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:28 - 2:53:31)
It's true, it's true. Okay, so one is hawthorn.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:31 - 2:53:32)
Nothing.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:33 - 2:53:36)
Mm-hmm. Two is

[Speaker 6] (2:53:37 - 2:53:39)
the completion of the Hadley project.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:40 - 2:53:40)
Oh, good.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:41 - 2:53:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:46 - 2:53:50)
Three for me. And I don't want to use the term financial summit,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:50 - 2:53:59)
but I would like this town to start looking at its financial priorities as a cumulative group,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:59 - 2:53:59)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:54:00 - 2:54:02)
So that's not just us making decisions,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:02 - 2:54:03)
that's us talking to

[Speaker 4] (2:54:04 - 2:54:16)
finance schools and understanding the whole town and what we need. So kind of a financial summit, but more uh more organic, more more cumulative, if that

[Speaker 7] (2:54:16 - 2:54:17)
So that's it's like for

[Speaker 4] (2:54:17 - 2:54:17)
sense.

[Speaker 7] (2:54:17 - 2:54:18)
a school committee as well.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:18 - 2:54:19)
Finance committee.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:19 - 2:54:30)
So that when we're thinking about individual projects, we're not looking at them in a vacuum or a silo, but we're looking at all the projects we need to look at when we're talking about what we're gonna pay for.

[Speaker 7] (2:54:30 - 2:54:31)
County member C_I_C_ as well.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:32 - 2:54:33)
Yes, absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (2:54:33 - 2:54:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:54:35 - 2:54:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:36 - 2:54:40)
So you can make a big category financial issues and then start outlining all that underneath.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:40 - 2:54:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:43 - 2:54:49)
And then what did I have? Hold on. So to David's, to go off what David had here,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:49 - 2:54:51)
and I concur with this,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:51 - 2:54:55)
prioritization of the staffing of town hall.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:56 - 2:55:10)
and understanding what jobs need to be funded, what jobs aren't there that need to be filled, a holistic look at all of the staffing and FTEs at town hall, and what we need, what we don't need, what we have, what we don't have.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:11 - 2:55:12)
So I agree with David on that one.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:14 - 2:55:18)
And then my last priority is looking at our properties.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:20 - 2:55:24)
Right? Our unused ones, the Clark School, what we're doing with it,

[Speaker 4] (2:55:24 - 2:55:37)
where we can somehow combine ideas. So if we need affordable housing or if we need somewhere to put, you know, people that are in the housing authority while we're redoing it, looking at our actual property inventory.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:38 - 2:55:40)
and understanding the big picture.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:40 - 2:55:46)
Do we need a life centre here? Do we need this to go here? And that includes even the hawthorn, right? So

[Speaker 3] (2:55:46 - 2:55:50)
Is this like a land use master plan? Not a master plan, but

[Speaker 6] (2:55:50 - 2:55:50)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:55:50 - 2:55:51)
like the the

[Speaker 6] (2:55:51 - 2:55:51)
or property

[Speaker 3] (2:55:51 - 2:55:52)
commonwealth's

[Speaker 6] (2:55:52 - 2:55:52)
master

[Speaker 3] (2:55:52 - 2:55:52)
done

[Speaker 6] (2:55:52 - 2:55:52)
plan,

[Speaker 3] (2:55:52 - 2:55:53)
but right.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:53 - 2:56:02)
right? And really seeing what can fit where without having to, you know, buy or spend or whatnot. Those are mine.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:03 - 2:56:05)
I will just finish David's really quick so you

[Speaker 7] (2:56:05 - 2:56:05)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:56:05 - 2:56:12)
can um can uh economic development efforts including Humphrey Street, Hawthorne, Hadley,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:14 - 2:56:19)
small biz improve small business improvements, parking improvements downtown.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:19 - 2:56:20)
Whose is this?

[Speaker 1] (2:56:20 - 2:56:21)
This is David's.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:21 - 2:56:26)
He provided this um uh uh

[Speaker 1] (2:56:27 - 2:56:31)
parking improvements downtown uh focusing on revenue generation.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:32 - 2:56:38)
Oh, so sorry, focus should not be solely on revenue generation, but instead striking a balance. A balanced approach.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:39 - 2:56:48)
Three, collaboration with the Swampscott Housing Authority to fund slash partially fund a feasibility study to create new public housing units in Swampscott without displacing current residents.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
And he says,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:52 - 2:56:56)
no, ARPA funds were previously allocated up to $200,000 for a feasibility study.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:56 - 2:57:03)
Feasibility study could result in tens of millions being allocated to create new public housing for the first time in 50 plus years in Swahili.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:04 - 2:57:05)
That's his note.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:05 - 2:57:06)
Four,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:06 - 2:57:08)
continued focus on repairing infrastructure,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:08 - 2:57:10)
particularly water,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:10 - 2:57:10)
sewer,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:11 - 2:57:12)
stormwater infrastructure.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:13 - 2:57:18)
You need to address as a priority for the region and continue efforts to collaborate with the city of Lynn and the Commonwealth.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:20 - 2:57:34)
And the note he put on this one is previously the select board has committed three point five million dollars a year for three years to improve storm water slash sewer infrastructure potentially need to re-evaluate spend to coincide with efforts from the city of Lynn.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:35 - 2:57:42)
Which I kind of interpret as that I'm not sort of like we we gotta maybe calibrate if they're not gonna spend and we're not gonna spend or are

[Speaker 1] (2:57:42 - 2:57:42)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:57:42 - 2:57:42)
we both

[Speaker 1] (2:57:42 - 2:57:42)
I guess

[Speaker 3] (2:57:42 - 2:57:43)
gonna spend

[Speaker 1] (2:57:43 - 2:57:43)
we'll

[Speaker 3] (2:57:43 - 2:57:43)
up here?

[Speaker 1] (2:57:43 - 2:57:43)
have we'll

[Speaker 3] (2:57:43 - 2:57:44)
Or yeah, no, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:44 - 2:57:49)
I guess we'll have to see what he means by that. I I think it's actually w I think it is

[Speaker 1] (2:57:49 - 2:57:49)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:57:50 - 2:57:52)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:57:53 - 2:57:56)
Well we're mandated to spend because we're under consent Right. decree.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:56 - 2:57:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:58 - 2:57:59)
Yeah, but that doesn't mandate a certain amount.

[Speaker 7] (2:58:00 - 2:58:00)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:04 - 2:58:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:06 - 2:58:07)
Mariel, would you like to go next?

[Speaker 4] (2:58:08 - 2:58:11)
Sure, so this is not in any particular order,

[Speaker 4] (2:58:12 - 2:58:17)
but I want to get us nailed in for the trash contracts.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:17 - 2:58:28)
That are coming up, um the Solid Waste Advisory Committee has begun um starting to work to look at that, they also received a grant for a consultant

[Speaker 3] (2:58:28 - 2:58:29)
T_E_P_ yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:29 - 2:58:34)
T_E_P_ to start to you know put together a really good contract

[Speaker 1] (2:58:56 - 2:59:06)
uh with this trash strike but then also increasing our legal fees because we may end up having to push legal fees to to make sure everything gets balanced.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:06 - 2:59:09)
Can I have a little friendly thing there, Marianne, to take

[Speaker 1] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:09 - 2:59:11)
can we can we have an accounting I mean

[Speaker 3] (2:59:12 - 2:59:13)
They have an accountant of it.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:13 - 2:59:14)
Yeah, maybe yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:14 - 2:59:16)
We're on the plus side for the month of July.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:17 - 2:59:17)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:59:18 - 2:59:45)
I want to go back to identifying our contracts. I want to get ready for our health insurance contracts and start to break that down and to start revisiting how to reduce our expenses and at the same time increase our benefits to employees to have a possibly better benefits package at a lower price to us. So Doug and I started with the Pashtun Administrator.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:47 - 2:59:57)
What was it, two years ago we started? Wow, two years ago this fall. And what we learned as we were getting into it, what we learned was um we did not modify

[Speaker 4] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
Do you miss the window?

[Speaker 5] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
G_I_C_

[Speaker 1] (2:59:58 - 3:00:00)
we did not modify G_I_C_

[Speaker 4] (3:00:00 - 3:00:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:00 - 3:00:05)
that in the timely manner that we were leaving the contract. So we just need to I really would It like to see

[Speaker 2] (3:00:05 - 3:00:06)
does like

[Speaker 1] (3:00:06 - 3:00:06)
all

[Speaker 2] (3:00:06 - 3:00:07)
probably coming up again.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:07 - 3:00:09)
it's probably six months, usually it's at least.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:09 - 3:00:10)
I think it was one year.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:10 - 3:00:11)
In December, probably, I guess.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:11 - 3:00:13)
Oh, actually it was one it was three years.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:14 - 3:00:15)
Three it you have to go is three

[Speaker 1] (3:00:15 - 3:00:15)
by three

[Speaker 5] (3:00:15 - 3:00:15)
years

[Speaker 1] (3:00:15 - 3:00:15)
years.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:15 - 3:00:16)
at a time.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:16 - 3:00:20)
It was something it was something that's just totally ridiculous. Amy told me it was three years, we had to wait three years.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:21 - 3:00:21)
That's So interesting.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:21 - 3:00:39)
we could just go back and revisit that, and actually I'd like to see a full list of every contract we have with expiration dates, just so we always know where everything is and not get surprised. So the health insurance is a big one. Um I'm in agreement with the financial issues, um I wanna really get some serious c

[Speaker 1] (3:00:39 - 3:00:47)
clarity around where we are financially. I want to make sure that we are focused on getting a transition audit worked up.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:47 - 3:00:58)
I'd like to have a backup plan and see where we are where we're at with all of our town employees as far as staff if Gino Krista decides to go to

[Speaker 1] (3:00:59 - 3:01:09)
Fiji for the next year to recuperate who's gonna be backing up D_P_W_ so I just wanna know what is our backup plan across the n entire town.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:09 - 3:01:10)
So that's a separate

[Speaker 1] (3:01:10 - 3:01:15)
It's a separate that's a separate thing that I'm interested in. Um,

[Speaker 1] (3:01:19 - 3:01:22)
just want to I mean I think pretty much

[Speaker 1] (3:01:22 - 3:01:39)
I'm in agreement with David as far as evaluating what all the roles are in the town as far as labour, maybe some labour, you know, consolidate some labour, um add different labour, and also to look at possibly regionalising with Nahant in a couple of different cases.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:41 - 3:01:43)
Christine, I agree with David on that. Is it not

[Speaker 5] (3:01:43 - 3:01:44)
So it's staffing.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:44 - 3:01:45)
Yeah, uh

[Speaker 6] (3:01:45 - 3:01:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:45 - 3:01:47)
I mean, in the broad sense, yes. But

[Speaker 5] (3:01:47 - 3:01:47)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:47 - 3:01:48)
it sounds a

[Speaker 5] (3:01:48 - 3:01:48)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (3:01:48 - 3:01:48)
it's

[Speaker 5] (3:01:48 - 3:01:48)
looking,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:48 - 3:01:48)
a little

[Speaker 5] (3:01:48 - 3:01:49)
yours

[Speaker 2] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
different,

[Speaker 5] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
is different,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
it sounds like.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:49 - 3:01:50)
is

[Speaker 2] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:50 - 3:01:52)
he's just talking about evaluating

[Speaker 2] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52)
He's

[Speaker 5] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52)
employees.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:52 - 3:01:53)
like killing the roles,

[Speaker 5] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53)
right?

[Speaker 5] (3:01:53 - 3:01:54)
exactly.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:54 - 3:01:54)
You're adding

[Speaker 1] (3:01:54 - 3:01:59)
No, I'm looking at yeah, I'm looking at doing an audit on most roles. I actually

[Speaker 1] (3:02:00 - 3:02:06)
doing a some type of an audit on roles and and seeing if that's you know, we're getting the most out of

[Speaker 1] (3:02:07 - 3:02:10)
what we're what we're putting in there if it's really a good idea.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:14 - 3:02:39)
You know, and possibly adding part-time labour to supplement other areas. Those are just possibilities. I'd like to see a f a f full communication calendar that encompasses the schools and the town. I'd like to be able to pull up on a website and just see that there's a field hockey game on Tuesday at four o'clock and then I could also go to a zoning board meeting.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:40 - 3:02:50)
At 7 o'clock. Just something. I mean there's so many things that happen i with the schools that I I would like to go and watch and you got to click this event

[Speaker 2] (3:02:50 - 3:02:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:50 - 3:02:51)
that ev yeah. it's too much

[Speaker 1] (3:02:52 - 3:03:06)
Mm-hmm. Too much clicking around. So if we had something I did actually I had a chance to talk to um our new recreations director who has a little bit experience in this and I just asked if it was possible to have a big calendar and she said it it's totally possible.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06)
Yeah, it is.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:06 - 3:03:09)
She said she was going to talk to you about how to do it.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:09 - 3:03:09)
She asked.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:09 - 3:03:11)
Um the

[Speaker 1] (3:03:14 - 3:03:30)
I want to then I'm not sh this is really little, but I really would like to find a way I'd like to review our our hiring process of the new town administrator. I just like to have something together so that we know what we did right, you know, what we can improve on and

[Speaker 5] (3:03:30 - 3:03:31)
Oh, like a post-mortem?

[Speaker 1] (3:03:31 - 3:03:33)
Yep, a post-mortem on that.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:34 - 3:03:48)
And then the last thing is I want to see a rea very serious update on where we are with Stacy Brooke, with source elimination. Um when Gino and I met with was it his name was John from uh

[Speaker 3] (3:03:48 - 3:03:48)
John Rehill.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:48 - 3:03:49)
Klinefelder was it John?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:49 - 3:03:50)
John Rehill.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:50 - 3:04:02)
So John had said that um the source elimination testing that was going on at the time, this was in the spring, that it was advancing pretty pretty quickly, and that I think he had said

[Speaker 1] (3:04:03 - 3:04:09)
The he was forecasting was it a six million dollar? We cost six million dollars and we should have

[Speaker 1] (3:04:10 - 3:04:12)
the Stacy Brooke pipes all lined

[Speaker 1] (3:04:13 - 3:04:13)
within

[Speaker 3] (3:04:14 - 3:04:15)
I think it's a little

[Speaker 1] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
more.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:15 - 3:04:16)
like three years, four

[Speaker 3] (3:04:16 - 3:04:16)
Three years.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:16 - 3:04:16)
years.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:16 - 3:04:19)
Three years at three and a half million per year. So but yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:04:19 - 3:04:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:19 - 3:04:21)
roughly ten million dollars.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:21 - 3:04:29)
Right. So um I just want to get an update I just to get a public update on that to see where we really are and to see some real numbers.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:31 - 3:04:41)
I think that's, I think that's every, oh, and under Hadley Hawthorne, I just wanna also add Glover. Um not that that's town property, but

[Speaker 1] (3:04:42 - 3:04:46)
that's a something out there I like to see that where are we at with that.

[Speaker 9] (3:04:47 - 3:04:47)
Hawthorne, Glover.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:54 - 3:04:56)
And I ha you have up there the backup employee plan, right? Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:57 - 3:04:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:58 - 3:04:59)
Those are my highlights.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:01 - 3:05:03)
Do you want me to go next or you want to go next?

[Speaker 2] (3:05:03 - 3:05:04)
Sure, go.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:06 - 3:05:09)
Number one, employee relations.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:10 - 3:05:19)
I actually have the opposite feeling that we should be evaluating whether employees have a space in town hall right now.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:19 - 3:05:22)
I feel like we should be

[Speaker 10] (3:05:22 - 3:05:36)
figuring out what's open, how we fill those roles. If we don't have to fill those roles, let's figure out what that looks like. But like we should be also putting a plan in place about how we help morale in town hall right now.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:36 - 3:05:38)
Yeah. And the climate assessment.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:38 - 3:05:40)
I think I lost you, you said the opposite opposite

[Speaker 10] (3:05:40 - 3:05:49)
Well opposite of I I feel like Mary Marianne was sort of saying like she wants to reevaluate every single role and figure out if every role needs to be there. I think like

[Speaker 1] (3:05:50 - 3:06:02)
Oh, no, hold on, just so I'm clear I want to make like you might have it might have a role that's doing like so many multiple things should that one role be doing so many multiple things

[Speaker 10] (3:06:02 - 3:06:03)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:03 - 3:06:15)
whereas another role is like not doing a whole lot is there a way to is there a way to share consolidate like what is in what's in the best interest of the employee and in the town like what's

[Speaker 10] (3:06:15 - 3:06:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:16 - 3:06:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:16 - 3:06:18)
So, um,

[Speaker 5] (3:06:19 - 3:06:20)
I'm not looking to get rid of people,

[Speaker 5] (3:06:20 - 3:06:20)
right?

[Speaker 10] (3:06:21 - 3:06:25)
okay. Um, so I guess maybe it's sort of aligned, but employee relationships,

[Speaker 10] (3:06:25 - 3:06:29)
I'm still very important that we, uh,

[Speaker 5] (3:06:29 - 3:06:29)
It's

[Speaker 10] (3:06:29 - 3:06:29)
we're

[Speaker 5] (3:06:29 - 3:06:29)
really

[Speaker 10] (3:06:29 - 3:06:29)
doing.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:29 - 3:06:30)
all staffing,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:30 - 3:06:30)
Labor

[Speaker 5] (3:06:30 - 3:06:30)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:30 - 3:06:30)
resourcing.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:30 - 3:06:31)
Staffing

[Speaker 5] (3:06:31 - 3:06:32)
Staffing and and FTEs. That's

[Speaker 10] (3:06:32 - 3:06:32)
we're, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:06:32 - 3:06:33)
what all of this

[Speaker 10] (3:06:33 - 3:06:33)
yep.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:33 - 3:06:33)
is.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:33 - 3:06:34)
And morale.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:35 - 3:06:37)
Right. That's a climate assessment.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:39 - 3:06:40)
I think we need a

[Speaker 10] (3:06:41 - 3:06:41)
Financial.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:41 - 3:06:43)
Is this more hours of hiring?

[Speaker 2] (3:06:43 - 3:06:43)
I just want to make sure I understand.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:43 - 3:06:53)
It's both. I want to make sure that we fill the roles with good people who want to stay and that we keep the people who want to stay in town hall who are doing great work.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:53 - 3:06:56)
Um, I wrote a financial re-avow,

[Speaker 5] (3:06:56 - 3:06:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:57 - 3:06:59)
and whether it's in the form of a summit,

[Speaker 10] (3:06:59 - 3:07:02)
I've, we're still committed to do a summit, we have a meeting in TriChair tomorrow,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:03 - 3:07:09)
but it's sort of a re-evaluation of our financial policies, does it make sense given the cl economic climate,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:09 - 3:07:12)
and our position in the economic climate now,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:12 - 3:07:14)
that conversation.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:15 - 3:07:16)
Um, communications.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:17 - 3:07:22)
For me, that includes a lot of the stuff that came up in the DEI conversation.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:23 - 3:07:29)
A lot of the DEI stuff for us when we hired that consultant was really a lot more about community members being heard,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:29 - 3:07:30)
how they get heard,

[Speaker 2] (3:07:30 - 3:07:30)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:30 - 3:07:32)
facilitating safe spaces,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:32 - 3:07:38)
not necessarily like traditional DEI things that we jump to.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:39 - 3:07:44)
So also the website has been a topic of conversation. Actually, when I first started,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:44 - 3:07:44)
I...

[Speaker 10] (3:07:44 - 3:07:52)
I emailed Diane and I said hey, these are ten town websites that I find easier to use than our town website.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:52 - 3:07:52)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:52 - 3:07:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:53 - 3:08:00)
And we just never went anywhere with that because we had just finished the website. And so Diane and I have never picked that back up.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:00 - 3:08:05)
But we are undergoing a an upgrade, probably by the end of December.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:05 - 3:08:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:07 - 3:08:10)
And now we have a T.A. who's got experience with websites and

[Speaker 10] (3:08:10 - 3:08:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:08:10 - 3:08:11)
I

[Speaker 10] (3:08:11 - 3:08:11)
that's great.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:11 - 3:08:11)
.T.A.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:12 - 3:08:29)
Um and then also I think I had brought up last year a community calendar. It sounds a lot like what Mary Ellen's talking about w but not just um yes we could populate it too, but there would be some sort of way for Swarthmore to use the cross, Swarthmore to use soccer, uh the drama club, all sorts of people.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:29 - 3:08:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:29 - 3:08:30)
with Mm permission to be

[Speaker 2] (3:08:30 - 3:08:30)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:30 - 3:08:35)
posting to it so that it becomes Girl Scouts, all sorts of things. Um

[Speaker 2] (3:08:35 - 3:08:38)
And I think our new Rec Director can help with that also,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:38 - 3:08:38)
rights. So

[Speaker 2] (3:08:38 - 3:08:38)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:38 - 3:08:40)
like we're unity and respect.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:43 - 3:08:48)
I think that's still something we need to consciously subscribe to.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:48 - 3:08:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:49 - 3:08:51)
Um regionalisation opportunities.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:52 - 3:08:55)
We are not going to hire ourselves out of some of these problems.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:55 - 3:08:59)
We need to be partnering with neighboring towns,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:59 - 3:08:59)
not just

[Speaker 2] (3:08:59 - 3:09:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:00 - 3:09:04)
the haunts, not just, but we need to be thinking out of the box.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:04 - 3:09:11)
If that involves like a try agreement or something like that, we need to start thinking of those types of things.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:11 - 3:09:12)
We also need to think about them for the future.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:12 - 3:09:20)
So if we're not thinking about them right now, we had talked very briefly about a chief safety officer or something happening.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:20 - 3:09:39)
regionally and then sort of figuring out like if that works from a police fire ambulance perspective if that put us in a better position even when we're negotiating trash contracts if a regional partner is up around the same time we are do we get a better rate if we are on the same contract we

[Speaker 2] (3:09:39 - 3:09:40)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:40 - 3:09:40)
have to look into

[Speaker 2] (3:09:40 - 3:09:40)
IT

[Speaker 1] (3:09:40 - 3:09:41)
what yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:09:41 - 3:09:41)
is a thing too,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:41 - 3:09:42)
we have to look into

[Speaker 2] (3:09:42 - 3:09:42)
collaboration.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:42 - 3:09:46)
what the problems are like if one party defaults versus the other and things like that but

[Speaker 1] (3:09:46 - 3:09:50)
but just being in trying to figure out interesting ways to solve financial problems.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:51 - 3:09:54)
Maybe like a regional select board, so we would all get a chance once a month, and then someone

[Speaker 1] (3:09:54 - 3:09:58)
One for each town based on population sounds a lot like something I know.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:59 - 3:10:05)
Beaches, pipes, I don't want to stop that being a priority just because we're doing it.

[Speaker 4] (3:10:05 - 3:10:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:05 - 3:10:13)
I think it still needs to make the list and we still need to continue to do it because I think we are seeing somewhat success. I'm curious to see if

[Speaker 1] (3:10:13 - 3:10:14)
Uh,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:16 - 3:10:36)
I'm curious to see how David is gonna interpret the comment that is on his scroll, so we'll get there when we get there. And then economic development. Hadly been in Hawthorne, Glover and to Daniel's point, unused properties or vacant properties or soon to be vacant properties and why are we not thinking of it. In advance we've been talking

[Speaker 2] (3:10:36 - 3:10:36)
Multiyear.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:36 - 3:10:38)
about Clark for a long time.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:39 - 3:10:51)
um say you know 10 years down the line we get to some idea of what a community life center looks like and it gets built then what are we doing with the senior center

[Speaker 2] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:51 - 3:10:53)
or you know like having yes

[Speaker 2] (3:10:53 - 3:10:54)
What's the succession?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:54 - 3:11:08)
having succession plans for buildings and yeah that's a little hard because they're a little more fluid but it should be part of the master plan right and as new buildings come online we just talked about it tonight how they can play a role in some of the things that we

[Speaker 1] (3:11:09 - 3:11:11)
In town feel like we're missing.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:11 - 3:11:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:11 - 3:11:12)
Um

[Speaker 3] (3:11:13 - 3:11:16)
Does it capture what aren't handled at Clark, vacant properties, accession plans?

[Speaker 1] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
You

[Speaker 2] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:17 - 3:11:18)
forgot my favourite.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19)
The Glover.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:20 - 3:11:21)
Would you say that?

[Speaker 1] (3:11:21 - 3:11:23)
I I sure as heck did, Doug.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:23 - 3:11:23)
They probably just

[Speaker 1] (3:11:23 - 3:11:24)
You probably just didn't

[Speaker 3] (3:11:24 - 3:11:25)
You didn't get registered.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:25 - 3:11:26)
hear it. You probably just

[Speaker 2] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
Did

[Speaker 1] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
didn't

[Speaker 2] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
you say

[Speaker 1] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
hear it.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:26 - 3:11:28)
my f what you just said?

[Speaker 1] (3:11:28 - 3:11:30)
I said you missed my favourite, The Glover.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:30 - 3:11:30)
The Glover.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:32 - 3:11:35)
That'll be the top of your list, Doug. Come on. It's your turn.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:36 - 3:11:37)
That's that's all she wrote.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:43 - 3:11:44)
So many good choices.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:44 - 3:11:46)
I was gonna say you have the benefit of having all these options.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:46 - 3:11:48)
Yeah, you don't have to say CPA now.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:49 - 3:11:50)
I'm sorry, you're done.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:51 - 3:11:51)
Well, I mean

[Speaker 1] (3:11:51 - 3:11:52)
There's still some work to be Oh, done there,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:52 - 3:11:53)
of course

[Speaker 1] (3:11:53 - 3:11:53)
but

[Speaker 2] (3:11:53 - 3:11:53)
there is,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:53 - 3:11:53)
it's

[Speaker 2] (3:11:53 - 3:11:53)
but

[Speaker 3] (3:11:53 - 3:11:53)
a spirit,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:53 - 3:11:54)
if you listen

[Speaker 3] (3:11:54 - 3:11:54)
but just

[Speaker 2] (3:11:54 - 3:11:54)
to the machine.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:54 - 3:12:00)
it's a committee and you know I mean, but that effectively they'll be doing that. Um but um

[Speaker 3] (3:12:01 - 3:12:04)
it is on my list because um

[Speaker 3] (3:12:05 - 3:12:06)
Yeah, I liked it.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:06 - 3:12:07)
Cause it's not finished.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:07 - 3:12:09)
I only spent it three times over, but like

[Speaker 6] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
you're gonna

[Speaker 6] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
how are

[Speaker 3] (3:12:09 - 3:12:10)
be we basically

[Speaker 6] (3:12:10 - 3:12:10)
gonna use

[Speaker 3] (3:12:10 - 3:12:10)
generating

[Speaker 6] (3:12:10 - 3:12:10)
it?

[Speaker 3] (3:12:10 - 3:12:11)
a million dollars a year

[Speaker 2] (3:12:11 - 3:12:13)
Why, right? what are we gonna do with

[Speaker 1] (3:12:13 - 3:12:13)
Let's

[Speaker 2] (3:12:13 - 3:12:13)
it?

[Speaker 1] (3:12:13 - 3:12:15)
get to that point. That's what we're gonna have to get to that point,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:15 - 3:12:16)
right. Um

[Speaker 1] (3:12:16 - 3:12:16)
Like

[Speaker 3] (3:12:16 - 3:12:17)
so I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:19 - 3:12:21)
I wanna put it at the top, 'cause it's not my top, but um

[Speaker 3] (3:12:34 - 3:12:38)
Schwab's got Housing Authority master plan.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:42 - 3:12:42)
It's my number one.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:58 - 3:12:59)
I think um

[Speaker 3] (3:13:01 - 3:13:01)
The Hoffhorn

[Speaker 3] (3:13:05 - 3:13:08)
is number two. I just feel like um it's

[Speaker 3] (3:13:10 - 3:13:21)
been out there for so long and it's hard to make choices and fortunately we're in a place where we have the wheels running on Pine Street. You know we have the wheels running on Hadley. So they're important,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:21 - 3:13:25)
but in terms of like prioritisation of our effort and focus.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:26 - 3:13:31)
I feel like it needs to be to bring that to a conclusion.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:31 - 3:13:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:31 - 3:13:32)
Agree.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:36 - 3:13:41)
I think the next is the uh

[Speaker 3] (3:13:45 - 3:13:46)
I'm trying to think of the the actual address.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:47 - 3:13:52)
Just the address uh across from the Walgreens where that old house is uh

[Speaker 1] (3:13:52 - 3:13:53)
Glover. Salem Street.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53)
Is Salem

[Speaker 7] (3:13:53 - 3:13:54)
he 99?

[Speaker 2] (3:13:54 - 3:13:54)
there a street.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:54 - 3:13:55)
Uh what?

[Speaker 3] (3:13:55 - 3:13:55)
What's that?

[Speaker 7] (3:13:55 - 3:13:56)
Two ninety nine Salem.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:56 - 3:13:56)
Two ninety nine

[Speaker 7] (3:13:56 - 3:13:57)
And you

[Speaker 3] (3:13:57 - 3:13:57)
Salem. I wanna call

[Speaker 1] (3:13:57 - 3:13:57)
You it don't

[Speaker 3] (3:13:57 - 3:13:58)
junior

[Speaker 1] (3:13:58 - 3:13:58)
wanna

[Speaker 3] (3:13:58 - 3:13:58)
year.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:58 - 3:13:58)
call it Glover.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:58 - 3:14:00)
I wanna c because very

[Speaker 1] (3:14:00 - 3:14:00)
Because you're

[Speaker 3] (3:14:00 - 3:14:00)
attentional.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:00 - 3:14:02)
talking about the development of that parcel, not

[Speaker 3] (3:14:02 - 3:14:03)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:03 - 3:14:04)
the Glover house.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:04 - 3:14:08)
Exactly. I wanna talk about a balanced, completed,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:08 - 3:14:10)
integrated

[Speaker 3] (3:14:12 - 3:14:12)
plan.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:13 - 3:14:14)
That's what I'm talking about.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:14 - 3:14:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:14 - 3:14:15)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:14:15 - 3:14:15)
That

[Speaker 1] (3:14:15 - 3:14:15)
agree.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:15 - 3:14:28)
that balances getting the housing bill that includes affordable housing includes tax revenue and includes a amenable solution to the house.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:29 - 3:14:30)
Asterisks are what I'm talking about.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:53 - 3:14:58)
I don't I don't disagree with anything that's up here really um so I was trying to

[Speaker 9] (3:14:59 - 3:14:59)
Find any gaps.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:00 - 3:15:01)
Cheating does.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:15:01 - 3:15:05)
That's okay, that's Doug's thing. That's Doug's um benefit as scribe.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:05 - 3:15:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:10 - 3:15:13)
This won't be it doesn't have to be a exhausting list.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:13 - 3:15:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:13 - 3:15:18)
So we can we can ruminate on it till the we don't meet again till the 8th.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:19 - 3:15:25)
What I would like to do on the eighth is if there were any glaring holes that we missed, we filled them in. And then we do

[Speaker 3] (3:15:25 - 3:15:25)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:15:25 - 3:15:29)
sort of what we did last time where we check mark them. And we actually

[Speaker 3] (3:15:29 - 3:15:29)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:29 - 3:15:37)
oh we actually prioritise them because what then I would like to do go ahead Doug you finish and then I'll finish.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:38 - 3:15:39)
Climb it I

[Speaker 2] (3:15:39 - 3:15:40)
I knew climate was coming.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40)
I knew it

[Speaker 3] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40)
it's

[Speaker 2] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40)
was gonna

[Speaker 3] (3:15:40 - 3:15:41)
very simple.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:41 - 3:15:41)
go there.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:41 - 3:15:47)
The climate leader oh there is actually another one here. Climate leader investment

[Speaker 3] (3:15:48 - 3:15:48)
decision.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:49 - 3:15:51)
It has because it is a very big one.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:51 - 3:15:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:52 - 3:15:52)
This

[Speaker 2] (3:15:52 - 3:15:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:52 - 3:15:54)
is the hundred and fifty million

[Speaker 2] (3:15:54 - 3:15:54)
Oh, jeez.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:54 - 3:16:05)
dollar decision about what we're going to do next with that money. And the other one I do feel strongly about is this unused property master plan.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:07 - 3:16:07)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:16:08 - 3:16:09)
It's right.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:12 - 3:16:12)
Okay, sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:14 - 3:16:15)
Um so

[Speaker 1] (3:16:20 - 3:16:25)
next meeting would like to sort of do a version of the check mark situation.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:26 - 3:16:48)
And then basically I would like to I would like to keep the list as a living list and when we get ourselves into situations where we feel like we don't know the answer we should refer to the list and we should actually say well what does this accomplish or if we're stuck with the three two split or something like that like explaining

[Speaker 1] (3:16:49 - 3:16:55)
to the community why three of us or two of us feel like it aligns with goals or doesn't align with goals.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:56 - 3:17:18)
Sometimes taking people out of the moment and bringing them back to this umbrella perspective and understanding like okay before it was personal and emotional it was a goal and this is how I feel like we're obtaining that goal will help us get out of some of those sticky wickets that we've been in recently and I'm not saying it's going to solve every problem but I do think it will be helpful.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:19 - 3:17:34)
So whether it lives on the town website as selectboard goals 2025 and then we sort of try to once a quarter look back at it and say like do we feel like we've progressed anywhere maybe give us like a red green yellow or something so

[Speaker 2] (3:17:34 - 3:17:34)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (3:17:34 - 3:17:45)
that the public can sort of understand where we've we feel like we're at and still allowing it room to live and reallocate as things change.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:46 - 3:17:46)
Um

[Speaker 1] (3:17:48 - 3:17:55)
and then if it's successful I would like to actually modify um process and procedure

[Speaker 1] (3:17:56 - 3:17:59)
to commit that this is what we're going to do going forward.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:01 - 3:18:08)
I just forgot to add in, I d I do wanna see us address um a charter review, getting a charter review in place.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:09 - 3:18:10)
Charter review.

[Speaker 10] (3:18:11 - 3:18:13)
I'm not sure if you have room on the board, but I think that's cut.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:13 - 3:18:15)
But you could put it under somebody else's name.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:16 - 3:18:19)
You just have the benefit of going last.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:21 - 3:18:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:21 - 3:18:21)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:18:24 - 3:18:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:28 - 3:18:29)
So I just wanna say a couple things.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:30 - 3:18:35)
And I think that while we're, we have all of these suggestions,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:35 - 3:18:38)
even the ones you know, specifically the ones I have,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:38 - 3:18:43)
They're meant to be guidelines for the T.A., for the T.A. to carry out

[Speaker 3] (3:18:43 - 3:18:44)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:44 - 3:18:52)
the day-to-day, right? And I don't, you know, even when we say staffing and FTEs, like that's that's a high-level overview.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:53 - 3:19:00)
And then it's for the T_A_ to implement, right. We want there to be that separation still. That's my intent anyway.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:00 - 3:19:17)
So I wanna make that clear. Um and the other piece too I think we have to acknowledge that somewhere in this we have to acknowledge our attempts at trying to comply with open meeting law, transparency, that is something we've been

[Speaker 1] (3:19:17 - 3:19:35)
Not, I won't say ding-dong, but people have brought to us, right? And I think we have to recommit to doing the best that we can. And sometimes it's through no fault of our own. We're really trying in in good faith, but I think that should be something that we continue to strive for.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:35 - 3:19:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:36 - 3:19:36)
You better.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:37 - 3:19:37)
Here, here.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:38 - 3:19:38)
Do you want that up there.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:39 - 3:19:42)
No, I mean you know that's just like a yeah, an overall.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:47 - 3:19:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:50 - 3:19:53)
Let's leave that there for now and move on to the contents agenda.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:53 - 3:19:54)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:56 - 3:19:56)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:56 - 3:19:56)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:57 - 3:19:58)
I. Oh,

[Speaker 6] (3:19:58 - 3:19:58)
HI.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:58 - 3:19:59)
I have to.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:59 - 3:20:00)
I just I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
Look at

[Speaker 6] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
know.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:00 - 3:20:01)
how easy that was.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:01 - 3:20:02)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 1] (3:20:03 - 3:20:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:03 - 3:20:03)
HI.

[Speaker 7] (3:20:03 - 3:20:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:03 - 3:20:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:05 - 3:20:09)
I just want to read for the public who doesn't have I don't know where my.

[Speaker 9] (3:20:11 - 3:20:12)
The items.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:12 - 3:20:40)
I'm just trying to find here it is sorry it's only pages here. Uh yeah so it's the uh SRF application for 3.5 million dollars, a one-day liquor license for sip wine, education, L_L_C_ for a fall wine tasting at the senior centre, approval of a one-day liquor license for a sip of science event at the library, uh a vote on the Fix It Clinic to be presented by the seller Solid Waste Advisory Committee and approval of the minutes just in case you're not looking at the agenda. Alright select board time.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:43 - 3:20:43)
Are we on?

[Speaker 1] (3:20:43 - 3:21:07)
Uh I want to say thank you to Nathan Kent, Nate Beischheimer, uh Alexander Perez for um your hard work tonight. And I also want to give a special happy birthday to John Phelan for um all of his support and and um being a great dad. I happen to be friends with

[Speaker 10] (3:21:07 - 3:21:10)
Um two of the people he's phone with and uh

[Speaker 11] (3:21:10 - 3:21:11)
Oh.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
they've uh

[Speaker 6] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
Oh, they are sleeping.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:11 - 3:21:14)
tell me what a great guy he is. So happy birthday John.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:17 - 3:21:19)
That's all I have for tonight.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:21 - 3:21:26)
Uh I'm just recognizing I is this Gino's last meeting?

[Speaker 10] (3:21:27 - 3:21:27)
No.

[Speaker 12] (3:21:27 - 3:21:28)
If you want it to be.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:28 - 3:21:30)
Oh no no no no but

[Speaker 6] (3:21:30 - 3:21:31)
It is, it is.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:31 - 3:21:31)
it is.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:32 - 3:21:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:32 - 3:21:33)
Is

[Speaker 11] (3:21:33 - 3:21:33)
that

[Speaker 6] (3:21:33 - 3:21:35)
the meeting that was scheduled for the first

[Speaker 11] (3:21:35 - 3:21:36)
sort of scared him away.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:36 - 3:21:39)
is being moved to the

[Speaker 13] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
The

[Speaker 6] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
8th

[Speaker 13] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
8th.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:39 - 3:21:40)
because of the holiday.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:41 - 3:21:41)
Right, right.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:41 - 3:21:49)
So Gino was going to have one more meeting and since I couldn't get him to start on the first, I moved the meeting to the 8th for you so that you wouldn't have to do it. You're welcome.

[Speaker 13] (3:21:49 - 3:21:52)
And the 6th made it exactly 11 months, but who's counting?

[Speaker 6] (3:21:53 - 3:21:53)
Not you.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:54 - 3:21:54)
Not you.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:55 - 3:21:56)
Well,

[Speaker 11] (3:21:56 - 3:21:58)
Gino, thank you.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:58 - 3:21:59)
Welcome.

[Speaker 11] (3:21:59 - 3:22:00)
Huge thank you.

[Speaker 11] (3:22:00 - 3:22:22)
We owe you a big debt of gratitude which is not equivalent to a big debt. Okay? Is everybody okay? Does everybody know? We owe you a big debt of gratitude and you know probably in retrospect it really wasn't fair to have you try to do two jobs at once but you know we survived and thrived.

[Speaker 11] (3:22:24 - 3:22:45)
in the midst of it, so um really really appreciate um, you know, you and I don't agree on everything, probably none of us and you agree on everything, um but um really appreciate um everything you've done. Especially and then like just for fun let's throw a trash strike on top of it, right. So um uh thank you.

[Speaker 13] (3:22:46 - 3:22:46)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (3:22:47 - 3:22:47)
Thank you, Gina.

[Speaker 13] (3:22:48 - 3:22:48)
That's me now.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:50 - 3:22:50)
You know?

[Speaker 1] (3:22:51 - 3:22:53)
Okay, so um I don't have enough words.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:54 - 3:23:21)
to use for you, Gino Cresta. I don't, I really truly don't. Um I don't think I've ever met somebody like you with the work ethic that you have, um the sense of obligation to this town and commitment like I've never seen in my life. Um I I thank you incredibly. You you did an unbelievable job when a lot of times not intentionally, but we did kind of set you up to fail. And um you still were able to excel and I'm really proud to know you and

[Speaker 1] (3:23:20 - 3:23:31)
and this opportunity gave me a little bit deeper insight into Gino Cresta, and I'm entirely a better person for that, and I'm glad to have experienced that with you,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:31 - 3:23:33)
and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:35 - 3:23:37)
Before I get all emotional now,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:37 - 3:23:38)
because you're that good of a human,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:38 - 3:23:40)
on to other things.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:42 - 3:23:46)
The parking issue at the elementary school, we heard from a lot of people about that tonight.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:46 - 3:23:48)
We know that it's out there. It's a thing.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:49 - 3:23:55)
I just want to remind everybody that a year ago we sat and we had forums, we spoke to residents,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:55 - 3:23:57)
we talked to parents,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:57 - 3:23:59)
we talked to school administrators,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:59 - 3:24:01)
and we were all, and the police certainly,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:01 - 3:24:04)
and we were all on board with the plan that we have in place,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:04 - 3:24:07)
which is the parking signs,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:07 - 3:24:08)
the restrictive parking,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:08 - 3:24:11)
and we also said at that point that we would reevaluate.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:11 - 3:24:22)
evaluate if we needed to, that we would pivot if we needed to and adjust. And I think that maybe we need to do that here. But you know, I think the police are doing exactly what we asked them to do. And you know,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:22 - 3:24:35)
I know it's difficult to park and pick up kids. I pick up my kids every day at that school and I park where I'm supposed to park, right? And that's just the expectation and that's the situation we're in right now. Will it change?

[Speaker 1] (3:24:35 - 3:24:36)
Possibly.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:36 - 3:24:39)
But right now we're all doing exactly what we said we would.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:39 - 3:25:01)
that we would right so I think it's you know I don't think it's quite as dire as as everybody's making it out to be the residents have been put through what they've been put through the parents are trying to adapt as well so I think we just need to have a little bit more communication and we'll figure it out but thanks to the traffic to Kevin Rean to Brian Wilson to the police department because they really are doing what we asked them to do.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:03 - 3:25:10)
So Oktoberfest was this past weekend. It was another one of the many fabulous events that I've seen over the summer.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:10 - 3:25:28)
um you know kudos to to recreation and what they're doing um great stuff there big huge welcome to Nick Connors I am so glad to have you here um we have a lot of faith in you we're not always like this we don't usually go this late so don't be deterred don't be afraid um you

[Speaker 10] (3:25:28 - 3:25:29)
go for you

[Speaker 1] (3:25:29 - 3:25:29)
know

[Speaker 13] (3:25:30 - 3:25:31)
This is extremely average.

[Speaker 13] (3:25:36 - 3:25:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:36 - 3:25:37)
But we're excited for you.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:37 - 3:25:39)
We're excited for your fresh perspective,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:39 - 3:25:41)
new ideas,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:41 - 3:25:43)
your experience, all of it. So welcome again.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:44 - 3:25:46)
I look forward to working with you.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:46 - 3:25:47)
And that's all I have.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:48 - 3:25:50)
Okay. I will echo all those things.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:50 - 3:25:58)
I am extremely glad that we culminated this with a conclusion of Nick Honors.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:59 - 3:26:02)
I'm proud that that's how the process happened.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:03 - 3:26:07)
and excited for what the future will bring.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:07 - 3:26:14)
This will be growth for Swampscott and for you and we're gonna do it together and it's gonna be fantastic and I'm really excited about it.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:18 - 3:26:23)
I was at the football game this weekend and my daughter was being unruly and she said to me,

[Speaker 6] (3:26:23 - 3:26:24)
mom.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:25 - 3:26:28)
We're at the football game, and I have no friends here.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:28 - 3:26:29)
And at that moment,

[Speaker 6] (3:26:29 - 3:26:31)
Gino Cresta rounded the corner and said,

[Speaker 6] (3:26:31 - 3:26:32)
Hi Stella,

[Speaker 6] (3:26:32 - 3:26:33)
I'm your friend.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:33 - 3:26:37)
And that is part and parcel of who Gino Cresta is,

[Speaker 6] (3:26:37 - 3:26:39)
100%.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:41 - 3:26:43)
and I am getting emotional.

[Speaker 11] (3:26:43 - 3:26:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:26:43 - 3:26:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (3:26:44 - 3:26:44)
going out.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:44 - 3:26:45)
But I just want to say

[Speaker 10] (3:26:45 - 3:26:46)
Is this

[Speaker 6] (3:26:46 - 3:26:46)
he

[Speaker 10] (3:26:46 - 3:26:46)
a sell-off?

[Speaker 6] (3:26:46 - 3:26:50)
didn't let this job change who he was.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
No.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:50 - 3:26:55)
He remained who he was through the entirety of this job and that's really not easy.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:56 - 3:26:59)
And so for that I commend you.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:01 - 3:27:03)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:03 - 3:27:04)
Motion to adjourn. Second.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:07 - 3:27:08)
Wait, did

[Speaker 6] (3:27:08 - 3:27:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:08 - 3:27:09)
she want did you want to Oh, say something?

[Speaker 6] (3:27:09 - 3:27:10)
did I'm you want good. to say something, Gino?

[Speaker 13] (3:27:10 - 3:27:10)
No,

[Speaker 6] (3:27:10 - 3:27:10)
He's

[Speaker 13] (3:27:10 - 3:27:10)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (3:27:10 - 3:27:10)
good.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:10 - 3:27:11)
starting to get emotional,

[Speaker 10] (3:27:11 - 3:27:11)
Oh.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:11 - 3:27:12)
so we'll let it go for now.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:12 - 3:27:14)
I'll have plenty of time to talk.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:14 - 3:27:14)
All right.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:15 - 3:27:16)
This isn't your last time, I just

[Speaker 13] (3:27:16 - 3:27:17)
I have a feeling I'll be around.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:18 - 3:27:18)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:18 - 3:27:19)
I'm not going anywhere.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:20 - 3:27:24)
All right. So I think a motion. I just was.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:24 - 3:27:25)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 13] (3:27:25 - 3:27:26)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:26 - 3:27:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:27 - 3:27:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:27 - 3:27:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:27 - 3:27:28)
Perfect.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:28 - 3:27:28)
That's it then?

[Speaker 6] (3:27:28 - 3:27:29)
Thanks, guys.