[Speaker 1] (3:57 - 3:59)
All right. Perfect. We will call the October

[Speaker 1] (4:01 - 4:02)
twentieth

[Speaker 2] (4:04 - 4:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (4:05 - 4:07)
meeting of the Planning Board to order.

[Speaker 2] (4:07 - 4:07)
The

[Speaker 1] (4:07 - 4:08)
I think we have a an actor

[Speaker 2] (4:08 - 4:08)
speaker

[Speaker 1] (4:08 - 4:09)
on the front screen

[Speaker 2] (4:09 - 4:09)
on the

[Speaker 1] (4:09 - 4:09)
here.

[Speaker 2] (4:09 - 4:10)
T_V_ is on the left one.

[Speaker 3] (4:12 - 4:14)
Should I Oh. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (4:17 - 4:21)
The only unmuted person on teams is me. Can I mute this and

[Speaker 1] (4:31 - 4:32)
Okay, we'll try that again.

[Speaker 1] (4:41 - 4:42)
Working through some technical issues.

[Speaker 2] (4:43 - 4:44)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (4:44 - 4:45)
Bear with us just a moment.

[Speaker 1] (4:52 - 4:54)
Alright, I think that works. Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (4:55 - 5:04)
Okay. Called October 20th, 2025 meeting of the Planning Board to order. Since we have members participating online and in person,

[Speaker 1] (5:04 - 5:08)
we'll do a roll call just for participants and all of the votes tonight will be taken by roll call as well.

[Speaker 1] (5:09 - 5:11)
So starting with Chair Jerma.

[Speaker 2] (5:13 - 5:13)
Here.

[Speaker 1] (5:13 - 5:14)
President,

[Speaker 2] (5:14 - 5:14)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (5:14 - 5:15)
Bill Quinn.

[Speaker 4] (5:15 - 5:15)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (5:16 - 5:17)
Joe Sheridan.

[Speaker 2] (5:17 - 5:17)
Here.

[Speaker 1] (5:17 - 5:18)
Angela Ippolito.

[Speaker 1] (5:21 - 5:44)
Thank you and uh Ted Dooley present as well. Alright so our agenda, we have approval of past minutes which we will defer to next meeting, um as we don't have minutes uh prepared yet. Um up next is position twenty four dash nineteen for Fifteen Manson Road um requesting a site plan special permit for construction of an attached ADU comprising of eight hundred and ninety nine square feet. Is there anyone here to speak on behalf of the applicant?

[Speaker 2] (5:44 - 5:49)
Yeah, my name's uh how you doing to the board? My name's John Andrews from JFA Design Group.

[Speaker 2] (5:50 - 5:54)
And uh actually you said fifteen Mason Road, I think it's supposed to be fifteen Manson

[Speaker 1] (5:54 - 5:54)
Manson Road.

[Speaker 2] (5:54 - 5:55)
Street.

[Speaker 1] (5:55 - 5:55)
Manson

[Speaker 2] (5:55 - 5:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (5:55 - 5:56)
Street, okay.

[Speaker 2] (5:56 - 6:04)
Yep, that's okay. Um okay, so what we have is an A_D_U_ and it's eight hundred and ninety nine square feet.

[Speaker 2] (6:05 - 6:11)
Uh in the front of the home, if you can look on the site plan, you can see where this is located.

[Speaker 1] (6:16 - 6:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (6:16 - 6:18)
Okay, so it's a one story.

[Speaker 2] (6:19 - 6:22)
It has two bedrooms, bath,

[Speaker 2] (6:22 - 6:24)
two baths.

[Speaker 2] (6:26 - 6:29)
And if you can look on sheet EX1,

[Speaker 2] (6:29 - 6:32)
that's the existing home. And then the next sheet, A1,

[Speaker 2] (6:32 - 6:34)
is what it shows what it looks like.

[Speaker 2] (6:35 - 6:38)
It falls within all the setback requirements,

[Speaker 2] (6:39 - 6:43)
falls within lot coverage and height requirements.

[Speaker 2] (6:45 - 6:49)
What we are adding to this though that's not on your site plan is a driveway.

[Speaker 2] (6:50 - 6:55)
We're gonna add a separate driveway in curb cut to the unit.

[Speaker 2] (6:57 - 7:01)
I have that plan with me if you want me to I can hand it out to you if you want to take

[Speaker 1] (7:01 - 7:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (7:01 - 7:01)
a look at that.

[Speaker 1] (7:01 - 7:02)
that would be

[Speaker 5] (7:02 - 7:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (7:02 - 7:07)
helpful. Chris, have you had a chance to review this new filing? Okay.

[Speaker 3] (7:07 - 7:11)
No, I'm wondering how um Angela will be able to view it.

[Speaker 6] (7:12 - 7:15)
I can see it as well. I have it pulled up on my screen.

[Speaker 1] (7:15 - 7:18)
Angela, it's not in your site packet, it's something we're just seeing for the first time now.

[Speaker 6] (7:18 - 7:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (7:18 - 7:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (7:18 - 7:19)
Okay, I see.

[Speaker 3] (7:19 - 7:22)
He's handing out plans that show driveway entrance,

[Speaker 3] (7:22 - 7:27)
so we will figure out how to share that with you.

[Speaker 1] (7:29 - 7:34)
Can you just confirm the address, I think we have a couple, I'm seeing a couple different addresses on the packet.

[Speaker 7] (7:35 - 7:37)
It's number 15 Manson Street.

[Speaker 1] (7:38 - 7:46)
So there's a misspelling on the drawings that it's Mason Street. I know we tend to refer to Manson Road often, but that's a different street.

[Speaker 1] (7:46 - 7:47)
That's

[Speaker 2] (7:47 - 7:47)
It's

[Speaker 1] (7:47 - 7:47)
a different

[Speaker 2] (7:47 - 7:47)
Manson

[Speaker 1] (7:47 - 7:47)
street,

[Speaker 2] (7:47 - 7:47)
Road.

[Speaker 1] (7:47 - 7:48)
right? There's Manson

[Speaker 2] (7:48 - 7:49)
It should be Manson

[Speaker 1] (7:49 - 7:49)
Street.

[Speaker 2] (7:49 - 7:49)
Street.

[Speaker 1] (7:49 - 7:57)
Yeah, this is Manson Street, not Mason Street. Can you, Krista, can you just confirm what the public advertising said about this? I just want to make sure we notify the public.

[Speaker 2] (7:57 - 8:00)
It's actually on the plot plan. It was the correct up in the corner.

[Speaker 1] (8:14 - 8:15)
While we look

[Speaker 7] (8:15 - 8:16)
So,

[Speaker 1] (8:16 - 8:18)
into that, if you want to talk discuss the driveway,

[Speaker 1] (8:18 - 8:19)
uh

[Speaker 7] (8:19 - 8:19)
yes,

[Speaker 1] (8:19 - 8:21)
continue with your presentation, excuse

[Speaker 7] (8:21 - 8:21)
right.

[Speaker 1] (8:21 - 8:21)
me.

[Speaker 7] (8:21 - 8:25)
So there'll be a driveway located there, it'll be 12 feet wide,

[Speaker 7] (8:25 - 8:28)
be it the new ADU addition,

[Speaker 7] (8:28 - 8:30)
if you're looking at the front of the house,

[Speaker 7] (8:30 - 8:40)
is of course on the right side, and that driveway will be along the property line which is the fence, all the way up to the corner of the building.

[Speaker 2] (8:41 - 8:48)
Right where the just before if you're looking at the floor plan, just before the bedroom.

[Speaker 2] (8:50 - 8:51)
It's gonna be a single pad driveway.

[Speaker 1] (8:53 - 8:55)
Okay. Is the separate driveway or is it connected?

[Speaker 2] (8:55 - 8:56)
It's a separate driveway.

[Speaker 6] (9:00 - 9:02)
Oh, it's coming in from the rear.

[Speaker 1] (9:03 - 9:03)
Did

[Speaker 6] (9:03 - 9:03)
So

[Speaker 1] (9:03 - 9:03)
you?

[Speaker 6] (9:03 - 9:05)
it's coming in from uh

[Speaker 6] (9:06 - 9:08)
What's the name of that street back there?

[Speaker 1] (9:09 - 9:10)
No, it's coming in from Manson Street,

[Speaker 2] (9:10 - 9:10)
It's

[Speaker 1] (9:10 - 9:11)
I coming believe.

[Speaker 2] (9:11 - 9:12)
in from Manson Street.

[Speaker 1] (9:12 - 9:14)
It just is on the corner of the plot.

[Speaker 1] (9:15 - 9:17)
Do you, you said you had that drawing with you?

[Speaker 2] (9:17 - 9:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (9:18 - 9:18)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 2] (9:18 - 9:18)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (9:18 - 9:20)
I should have passed that down. Oh, there's only one copy.

[Speaker 1] (9:20 - 9:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (9:23 - 9:24)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (9:24 - 9:28)
so the legal notices were sent out to Manson Road.

[Speaker 1] (9:28 - 9:28)
Manson

[Speaker 3] (9:28 - 9:28)
So

[Speaker 1] (9:28 - 9:29)
Road, okay.

[Speaker 3] (9:29 - 9:29)
I,

[Speaker 3] (9:29 - 9:32)
and it seems like there's some new materials today anyway.

[Speaker 2] (9:32 - 9:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (9:33 - 9:33)
So.

[Speaker 1] (9:38 - 9:44)
So let me think about this. So I think since there was a discrepancy in the address for the notification of the hearing,

[Speaker 1] (9:44 - 9:48)
we'll have to continue that we'll have to, I mean, we can't even open this. It's not a valid hearing without public notification.

[Speaker 1] (9:48 - 9:51)
So we'll have to punt this to our November meeting.

[Speaker 6] (9:52 - 9:52)
I'll

[Speaker 1] (9:52 - 9:53)
Angela,

[Speaker 6] (9:53 - 9:53)
make a motion

[Speaker 1] (9:53 - 9:53)
Joe,

[Speaker 6] (9:53 - 9:53)
if

[Speaker 1] (9:53 - 9:54)
does that make

[Speaker 6] (9:54 - 9:55)
you're absolutely right,

[Speaker 1] (9:55 - 9:55)
sense?

[Speaker 6] (9:56 - 9:57)
Ted,

[Speaker 6] (9:57 - 9:59)
and I can make a motion to

[Speaker 4] (10:03 - 10:05)
What's the date in November meeting?

[Speaker 4] (10:06 - 10:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (10:06 - 10:07)
Second Monday.

[Speaker 1] (10:07 - 10:08)
Chris,

[Speaker 1] (10:09 - 10:09)
did you have that date?

[Speaker 3] (10:10 - 10:11)
Yes, hold on a second.

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:16)
So it gets...

[Speaker 4] (10:18 - 10:18)
It's

[Speaker 1] (10:18 - 10:18)
So

[Speaker 5] (10:18 - 10:18)
November

[Speaker 4] (10:18 - 10:19)
November 10th.

[Speaker 5] (10:19 - 10:19)
10th.

[Speaker 1] (10:19 - 10:42)
10th so I think what we will do is since we don't have the right notification requirements we can't open a public hearing tonight what we can do is we'll readvertise this we'll ensure that the addresses are correct I would just double check through the your application package because I think there are a couple of different references to other streets in here but in the meantime

[Speaker 1] (10:43 - 11:09)
Um if you make those changes, update this with the site package, two weeks out is usually our deadline for updates to the to the package for any changes to uh to a site plan application. Um so your driveway changes here is something that we really shouldn't have been doing for the first time tonight anyway. So um apologise for the delay on this, but we'll make sure to hear you in November. And um like I said if you have any updates to the application, just make sure they're all in finalised by

[Speaker 6] (11:10 - 11:11)
Two weeks prior.

[Speaker 1] (11:11 - 11:11)
Two weeks prior,

[Speaker 6] (11:11 - 11:11)
Two weeks

[Speaker 1] (11:11 - 11:11)
which

[Speaker 6] (11:11 - 11:12)
prior.

[Speaker 1] (11:12 - 11:12)
is Monday?

[Speaker 6] (11:13 - 11:16)
Yeah, so that would be the twenty seventh.

[Speaker 1] (11:16 - 11:17)
27th of October.

[Speaker 4] (11:18 - 11:19)
So the twenty seventh.

[Speaker 6] (11:20 - 11:20)
Yep,

[Speaker 1] (11:20 - 11:20)
Yep,

[Speaker 6] (11:20 - 11:20)
so that's

[Speaker 1] (11:20 - 11:22)
that's a deadline for application packages.

[Speaker 4] (11:22 - 11:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:22 - 11:25)
Um and then the date of the meeting is the 10th.

[Speaker 4] (11:26 - 11:27)
Oh, and the date of the meeting is actually the

[Speaker 1] (11:27 - 11:27)
November

[Speaker 4] (11:27 - 11:28)
tenth.

[Speaker 1] (11:28 - 11:28)
10th.

[Speaker 4] (11:28 - 11:29)
November tenth.

[Speaker 6] (11:29 - 11:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (11:30 - 11:30)
On Monday.

[Speaker 1] (11:30 - 11:33)
And I think we have a pretty streamlined

[Speaker 1] (11:33 - 11:35)
agenda for that meeting, so, shouldn't be.

[Speaker 4] (11:35 - 11:41)
Ca can I ask a question as far as after it you know if everything's all set and it does get its approval

[Speaker 4] (11:42 - 11:46)
um is site plan review a lot like with the that you have to wait twenty days?

[Speaker 1] (11:46 - 11:48)
Yes. I believe

[Speaker 4] (11:48 - 11:48)
Anybody

[Speaker 1] (11:48 - 11:48)
it all by l

[Speaker 4] (11:48 - 11:51)
to contest it before you can file for a building permit?

[Speaker 1] (11:51 - 11:53)
That's my understanding with all of our land use decisions.

[Speaker 4] (11:54 - 11:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:54 - 11:57)
Angela does that align with your experience?

[Speaker 2] (12:00 - 12:02)
It usually coordinates with, since, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (12:02 - 12:05)
you don't have to go to zoning for this, I'm assuming,

[Speaker 2] (12:05 - 12:05)
since

[Speaker 1] (12:05 - 12:06)
Nope.

[Speaker 2] (12:06 - 12:07)
you're, okay,

[Speaker 2] (12:07 - 12:10)
so this would be the only permit that you need. I mean, you'd need,

[Speaker 2] (12:10 - 12:14)
if you had to go to zoning, you'd have the same, the same thing, but yeah,

[Speaker 2] (12:14 - 12:18)
it would be 20 days from the day that you get your approval from us.

[Speaker 4] (12:18 - 12:20)
No, 20 days from the filing of the decision.

[Speaker 1] (12:20 - 12:23)
Yeah, it's 20 days from the filing of when the decision hits the town clerk's office.

[Speaker 4] (12:23 - 12:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (12:24 - 12:24)
So.

[Speaker 4] (12:24 - 12:26)
And then after that you can file for a building permit,

[Speaker 4] (12:26 - 12:26)
file as well.

[Speaker 1] (12:26 - 12:27)
Yep. Yep.

[Speaker 4] (12:27 - 12:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (12:29 - 12:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (12:30 - 12:30)
And we'll see you in November.

[Speaker 1] (12:30 - 12:34)
Is there anything else missing here that we might discuss?

[Speaker 4] (12:34 - 12:34)
I

[Speaker 2] (12:34 - 12:58)
to make a note of the landscaping. I mean not that you don't have to have a new landscaping plan but if anything's changing and because you're adding this extra driveway I'd be and it looks like you have you know ample open space that's not so much my concern is if you're taking down any trees or there's anything like that so we'll need to know if there's any kind of you know what's existing and

[Speaker 2] (12:58 - 13:00)
If anything's changed in that regard.

[Speaker 1] (13:00 - 13:02)
Yeah, to Andrew's point,

[Speaker 1] (13:02 - 13:07)
site plan we usually require for residential addition and new construction will require a landscaping plan.

[Speaker 1] (13:07 - 13:08)
If there's no landscaping changing,

[Speaker 1] (13:08 - 13:09)
that's fine.

[Speaker 1] (13:09 - 13:13)
I would just do that after a waiver in writing and notate whatever your reasons for that waiver are,

[Speaker 1] (13:14 - 13:18)
but also with the addition of the driveway assuming it's pervious.

[Speaker 4] (13:18 - 13:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (13:19 - 13:20)
Impervious.

[Speaker 1] (13:20 - 13:27)
Um, I would just update your calculations here to show what the um lot coverage would be with reflecting the new driveway.

[Speaker 4] (13:27 - 13:36)
So is that a a a standard form that you guys have if just keeping the landscaping the same? We're just changing the driveway or is it something that we handwrite out and

[Speaker 1] (13:36 - 13:41)
You you would hand write that out for whatever waiver request you would like. In this case it would be a landscape waiver.

[Speaker 1] (13:42 - 13:44)
And whatever the reasonings you would have for that would be.

[Speaker 4] (13:45 - 13:45)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (13:45 - 13:47)
And again I would update the open space calculation for

[Speaker 4] (13:47 - 13:48)
Yeah, it will change

[Speaker 1] (13:48 - 13:48)
the new

[Speaker 4] (13:48 - 13:48)
the

[Speaker 1] (13:48 - 13:48)
driveway.

[Speaker 4] (13:48 - 13:49)
calculations, sure.

[Speaker 1] (13:49 - 13:53)
Is there a recent one that we could refer them to just as an example? There's a lot of recent ones.

[Speaker 1] (13:54 - 13:56)
Manson, well,

[Speaker 1] (13:56 - 13:57)
Manson Road,

[Speaker 1] (13:57 - 14:04)
Zero Manson Road, Yeah, subdivision that would be there a good was one. a new construction that had they had a full landscape plan, but you can see

[Speaker 4] (14:04 - 14:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (14:04 - 14:05)
what the full landscape plan would be.

[Speaker 4] (14:05 - 14:08)
Yeah, because I think what we're changing here is minimal,

[Speaker 4] (14:08 - 14:10)
because all the landscape now is just done on the front of the existing home.

[Speaker 1] (14:11 - 14:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (14:11 - 14:13)
So when we're adding this addition here, it's minimal.

[Speaker 1] (14:13 - 14:14)
If you

[Speaker 4] (14:14 - 14:14)
Something

[Speaker 1] (14:14 - 14:14)
not taken

[Speaker 4] (14:14 - 14:14)
rubs

[Speaker 1] (14:14 - 14:14)
down

[Speaker 4] (14:14 - 14:15)
in front.

[Speaker 1] (14:15 - 14:15)
trees, not changing

[Speaker 4] (14:15 - 14:16)
There's no

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:16)
the

[Speaker 4] (14:16 - 14:16)
trees

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:16)
basic

[Speaker 4] (14:16 - 14:16)
there to

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:16)
anything

[Speaker 4] (14:16 - 14:17)
be taken down

[Speaker 1] (14:17 - 14:17)
like that,

[Speaker 4] (14:17 - 14:17)
or anything.

[Speaker 1] (14:17 - 14:18)
it's a pretty

[Speaker 4] (14:18 - 14:18)
Again.

[Speaker 1] (14:18 - 14:19)
clear lot,

[Speaker 7] (14:19 - 14:19)
Shrubs

[Speaker 1] (14:19 - 14:19)
you can notate

[Speaker 7] (14:19 - 14:19)
for selling.

[Speaker 1] (14:19 - 14:20)
that,

[Speaker 6] (14:20 - 14:20)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 6] (14:20 - 14:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (14:21 - 14:21)
No shrubs

[Speaker 1] (14:21 - 14:21)
you can notate

[Speaker 7] (14:21 - 14:22)
or bushes coming down.

[Speaker 1] (14:22 - 14:31)
that in the narrative if you are gonna be planning to have any plantings around the, I dunno if there's new condensers, any new utilities, anything like that. Um

[Speaker 1] (14:32 - 14:34)
I would show that on a on a plan.

[Speaker 8] (14:34 - 14:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (14:35 - 14:44)
Um but again it's it's just from my review it was just a landscape plan that was missing and then updated calculations on this and then just fixing the street reference on a couple of the I think it says Mason Street on some of them but

[Speaker 8] (14:44 - 14:45)
And

[Speaker 1] (14:45 - 14:45)
not

[Speaker 8] (14:45 - 14:45)
that,

[Speaker 1] (14:45 - 14:45)
a big deal.

[Speaker 8] (14:45 - 14:50)
right in that narrative you're talking about as far as the landscaping, again, it can just be

[Speaker 8] (14:51 - 14:54)
Handwritten out then signed by us and then included in the permit package.

[Speaker 1] (14:54 - 14:57)
Yep, and it's just a waiver request if that's the

[Speaker 8] (14:57 - 14:57)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (14:57 - 14:58)
decision you choose.

[Speaker 8] (14:58 - 15:02)
Yeah, because we're really not going to change any landscape. There's nothing really there to change or add actually.

[Speaker 1] (15:03 - 15:06)
I would just suggest maybe taking a look at that other one just to see how

[Speaker 8] (15:06 - 15:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (15:06 - 15:13)
it shows it relative to the other um sites and also how it shows you know what's changing and what's not just with the building.

[Speaker 8] (15:13 - 15:13)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 8] (15:13 - 15:13)
I

[Speaker 1] (15:13 - 15:13)
It

[Speaker 8] (15:13 - 15:13)
see.

[Speaker 1] (15:13 - 15:16)
did like a nice job of showing how everything is relative.

[Speaker 8] (15:16 - 15:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (15:16 - 15:18)
Like sure when you come back there

[Speaker 8] (15:18 - 15:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (15:18 - 15:19)
might be questions about that so.

[Speaker 8] (15:19 - 15:20)
Yeah. But you'll see I d

[Speaker 6] (15:20 - 15:22)
I can email that example also.

[Speaker 8] (15:22 - 15:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (15:23 - 15:28)
I think earlier today um it was mentioned that if you're adding any lighting um

[Speaker 8] (15:28 - 15:29)
Oh, yes, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (15:29 - 15:30)
Yeah, it's area lighting.

[Speaker 6] (15:30 - 15:31)
that we would want to see

[Speaker 6] (15:31 - 15:36)
The details for that as well as if there are distances to any nearby buildings.

[Speaker 1] (15:36 - 15:43)
The blueprint for this plan should have distance from the building, the nearest from your butters' buildings to the lot line and the butters'

[Speaker 1] (15:43 - 15:46)
buildings to the nearest point on your building,

[Speaker 8] (15:46 - 15:48)
I think the only lighting that we propose that go on

[Speaker 1] (15:48 - 15:48)
that's

[Speaker 8] (15:48 - 15:51)
here is for the front entry at the front door

[Speaker 1] (15:51 - 15:56)
that's fine. We just need to see where the lighting is going to be and if you have the type of lighting you're proposing using. If

[Speaker 8] (15:56 - 15:56)
Yep

[Speaker 1] (15:56 - 15:59)
you have it, that's helpful to show the fixture. It has to be dark sky compliant, so just shh.

[Speaker 1] (15:59 - 16:01)
show showcasing what the picture is gonna be.

[Speaker 8] (16:01 - 16:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (16:02 - 16:03)
Um so

[Speaker 1] (16:04 - 16:04)
that's it.

[Speaker 1] (16:04 - 16:07)
There's a couple things that are missing between

[Speaker 8] (16:07 - 16:07)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (16:07 - 16:12)
your elevations and your plans. So the the rear door that's coming off of the bedroom,

[Speaker 8] (16:12 - 16:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (16:12 - 16:16)
you're showing stairs and elevation and no stairs and plan,

[Speaker 8] (16:16 - 16:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (16:16 - 16:21)
you should add those in. Um on the side elevation

[Speaker 1] (16:25 - 16:27)
Um check your foundation layouts.

[Speaker 1] (16:28 - 16:28)
Based

[Speaker 8] (16:28 - 16:29)
So

[Speaker 1] (16:29 - 16:33)
on the drawing, there's some foundation that's uh not shown uh

[Speaker 8] (16:33 - 16:40)
Sep yeah some of it is over uh is uh stepped over.

[Speaker 4] (16:41 - 16:41)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (16:41 - 16:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (16:41 - 16:46)
You know. So it's a foot off the foundation. But it doesn't have a foundation wall there.

[Speaker 1] (16:47 - 16:49)
So the the bay that's on the bedroom.

[Speaker 1] (16:50 - 16:57)
You're showing foundation under the bay, on both bays on the front elevation, but on the side elevation

[Speaker 8] (16:57 - 16:57)
Oh I see,

[Speaker 1] (16:57 - 16:58)
only shown

[Speaker 8] (16:58 - 16:58)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (16:58 - 17:00)
under the front bay, not the side bay.

[Speaker 8] (17:00 - 17:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (17:08 - 17:09)
Um

[Speaker 9] (17:10 - 17:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (17:10 - 17:11)
What about drainage?

[Speaker 8] (17:13 - 17:16)
I'm just remembering with just water runoff or just showing a simple gutter system here.

[Speaker 1] (17:17 - 17:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (17:17 - 17:17)
that's

[Speaker 1] (17:17 - 17:17)
as long

[Speaker 8] (17:17 - 17:18)
right that's

[Speaker 1] (17:18 - 17:21)
as all you're doing, that's fine for a single for a b single-family

[Speaker 8] (17:21 - 17:21)
so

[Speaker 1] (17:21 - 17:21)
residential construction,

[Speaker 8] (17:21 - 17:22)
yeah that's

[Speaker 1] (17:22 - 17:22)
that's

[Speaker 8] (17:22 - 17:24)
that's how we're gonna scale so we'll show those gutters facing

[Speaker 1] (17:24 - 17:24)
Yep

[Speaker 8] (17:24 - 17:27)
toward the uh the yard the

[Speaker 1] (17:27 - 17:27)
Perfect.

[Speaker 8] (17:27 - 17:27)
backyard

[Speaker 4] (17:27 - 17:28)
Mm this is

[Speaker 1] (17:28 - 17:29)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (17:29 - 17:29)
Okay

[Speaker 10] (17:29 - 17:34)
So the uh um the driveway is at the bottom of the hill?

[Speaker 8] (17:35 - 17:43)
And yeah, there's a slight it it's basically up the estates to level out a grade, but yeah, it's more on the lowest slope

[Speaker 10] (17:44 - 17:47)
I didn't mean to say that was pervious or impervious.

[Speaker 1] (17:50 - 17:52)
I'd be sure to notate that if it's pervious or

[Speaker 10] (17:52 - 17:53)
impervious. We can get that.

[Speaker 8] (17:53 - 17:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (17:53 - 17:54)
And how it impacts the area that's covered.

[Speaker 10] (17:55 - 17:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (17:55 - 17:56)
Yep. I

[Speaker 10] (17:56 - 17:56)
Uh,

[Speaker 8] (17:56 - 17:56)
can show that

[Speaker 10] (17:56 - 17:56)
and

[Speaker 8] (17:56 - 17:56)
on the

[Speaker 10] (17:56 - 17:56)
the

[Speaker 8] (17:56 - 17:56)
calculations.

[Speaker 10] (17:56 - 18:00)
landscape plan I think is supposed to have some more information about the neighbours

[Speaker 10] (18:01 - 18:03)
the locations of the houses.

[Speaker 1] (18:04 - 18:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (18:05 - 18:08)
To like what extent to the two side neighbours or

[Speaker 1] (18:08 - 18:09)
Yep. Any abutters.

[Speaker 10] (18:09 - 18:10)
Any butters, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (18:10 - 18:13)
Yeah. Any abutters need to have distance from the their

[Speaker 1] (18:14 - 18:17)
their uh dwelling um to

[Speaker 8] (18:17 - 18:17)
They're

[Speaker 1] (18:17 - 18:17)
the

[Speaker 8] (18:17 - 18:17)
dwelling

[Speaker 1] (18:17 - 18:18)
lot line

[Speaker 8] (18:18 - 18:18)
to up to the

[Speaker 1] (18:18 - 18:18)
To

[Speaker 8] (18:18 - 18:19)
to

[Speaker 1] (18:19 - 18:19)
the lot

[Speaker 8] (18:19 - 18:19)
lot property

[Speaker 1] (18:19 - 18:19)
line to

[Speaker 8] (18:19 - 18:19)
line?

[Speaker 1] (18:19 - 18:20)
your lot line, yep.

[Speaker 8] (18:20 - 18:23)
Oh okay, how far are their houses away from that?

[Speaker 1] (18:23 - 18:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (18:24 - 18:25)
And then you already have your distance

[Speaker 10] (18:25 - 18:26)
Yeah, lot their

[Speaker 1] (18:26 - 18:26)
line.

[Speaker 10] (18:26 - 18:27)
names as well, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (18:27 - 18:28)
W and names, yes, sorry.

[Speaker 10] (18:28 - 18:32)
And do we ha are we getting staff comments on these?

[Speaker 10] (18:34 - 18:36)
to DPW for the street lamps.

[Speaker 1] (18:36 - 18:36)
Yeah, once.

[Speaker 6] (18:36 - 18:42)
Well, yeah, so now that they're adding the driveway, um we'll definitely get D_P_W_ um and

[Speaker 10] (18:42 - 18:45)
There's no foam poles there, there's no fire hydrants,

[Speaker 1] (18:45 - 18:45)
No.

[Speaker 10] (18:45 - 18:47)
is there curb? Which

[Speaker 6] (18:47 - 18:49)
Yeah, we'll we will get their comments.

[Speaker 1] (18:50 - 18:55)
Once that's updated, that goes to ConCom 'cause I think it would be outside of my person my understanding.

[Speaker 4] (18:55 - 18:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (18:55 - 18:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (18:56 - 18:56)
Um

[Speaker 1] (18:57 - 18:59)
ConCom engineer do

[Speaker 2] (18:59 - 18:59)
So,

[Speaker 1] (18:59 - 18:59)
you have any other

[Speaker 2] (18:59 - 18:59)
um,

[Speaker 1] (18:59 - 18:59)
policing

[Speaker 2] (18:59 - 18:59)
hello?

[Speaker 1] (18:59 - 19:00)
power?

[Speaker 2] (19:01 - 19:02)
Hello?

[Speaker 2] (19:02 - 19:04)
Hi, I'm Mary Vic Johnson.

[Speaker 2] (19:04 - 19:10)
I'm the owner of the property and my husband Jim Johnson is also there.

[Speaker 2] (19:11 - 19:24)
So if we actually just make a note on all of the drawings that it's not Mason Street because that's a typo and just insert the end and countersign it, doesn't it make this meeting

[Speaker 2] (19:26 - 19:27)
a valid meeting.

[Speaker 1] (19:27 - 19:36)
No, because we have to do public notice in the Lynn Item and online to the public and send a butter as anyone within 300 yards has to get a note in the postal service.

[Speaker 1] (19:36 - 19:42)
So if we did this on Manson Road, that would probably have some impact on which abutters receive notice

[Speaker 8] (19:42 - 19:43)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (19:43 - 19:45)
and the accuracy of the Lynn Item thing.

[Speaker 1] (19:45 - 19:46)
I know it's pretty close,

[Speaker 1] (19:46 - 19:48)
but it's still want

[Speaker 6] (19:48 - 19:48)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (19:48 - 19:49)
to make sure we button everything up.

[Speaker 6] (19:49 - 19:49)
different,

[Speaker 6] (19:50 - 19:50)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (19:50 - 19:51)
Whatever decision,

[Speaker 6] (19:51 - 19:51)
yes.

[Speaker 1] (19:51 - 19:54)
whatever decision you guys get, we want to make sure you can.

[Speaker 1] (19:53 - 19:56)
we want to make sure it doesn't get challenged for any procedural issues.

[Speaker 3] (19:57 - 19:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (19:57 - 19:58)
And I did

[Speaker 4] (19:58 - 19:58)
I didn't

[Speaker 1] (19:58 - 19:58)
notice

[Speaker 4] (19:58 - 19:58)
that.

[Speaker 1] (19:58 - 20:04)
that there is a 15 Manson Road because I was Googling and all of a sudden I'm like, this house is nowhere to be found.

[Speaker 1] (20:05 - 20:06)
And then I looked over and saw Mason Street.

[Speaker 1] (20:06 - 20:11)
That brought me to Mass Manson Street and strangely it took me into to Lynn,

[Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:13)
um renamed the street.

[Speaker 3] (20:13 - 20:13)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (20:13 - 20:15)
That's wild.

[Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:17)
But I guess I can't

[Speaker 3] (20:17 - 20:17)
It's saying

[Speaker 1] (20:17 - 20:17)
trust

[Speaker 3] (20:17 - 20:17)
it's

[Speaker 1] (20:17 - 20:17)
Google.

[Speaker 3] (20:17 - 20:19)
Mason Street in Linn and then it gets into Swampscott

[Speaker 1] (20:19 - 20:19)
No,

[Speaker 3] (20:19 - 20:19)
and it's Manson

[Speaker 1] (20:19 - 20:20)
it's

[Speaker 3] (20:20 - 20:20)
Street.

[Speaker 1] (20:20 - 20:23)
a different street in Lynn. It's, uh

[Speaker 1] (20:23 - 20:26)
Now I can't remember. But have you you've seen this when you

[Speaker 5] (20:26 - 20:28)
Other patients we yeah, when we just moved here.

[Speaker 5] (20:29 - 20:36)
Uh yeah, so we're looking for a package and it was in Main Street. It was Main Street and it's where I'm stuck. There's no Main Street,

[Speaker 3] (20:36 - 20:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (20:36 - 20:38)
it's in Lynn. So

[Speaker 6] (20:38 - 20:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (20:38 - 20:39)
you have that Well, problem.

[Speaker 1] (20:39 - 20:44)
and this one is if y if if you Google your address, your correct address

[Speaker 5] (20:44 - 20:45)
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 1] (20:45 - 20:51)
when you come in from the sky, they've got the street label, there's another street, and they're calling it out as being in Lynn

[Speaker 3] (20:51 - 20:51)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (20:51 - 20:52)
not in

[Speaker 3] (20:52 - 20:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (20:52 - 20:52)
Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (20:52 - 20:53)
I

[Speaker 5] (20:53 - 20:53)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 7] (20:53 - 20:53)
don't know.

[Speaker 1] (20:53 - 20:54)
So your taxes just went down.

[Speaker 3] (20:56 - 20:57)
If only.

[Speaker 5] (20:57 - 20:58)
Bless you too.

[Speaker 8] (20:58 - 20:59)
No, I was again

[Speaker 5] (20:59 - 21:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (21:00 - 21:05)
clearly states it's 15 Manson Street and in the assessor's office of

[Speaker 3] (21:05 - 21:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (21:05 - 21:08)
Swamp Scott it is 15 Manson Street.

[Speaker 1] (21:09 - 21:09)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (21:09 - 21:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (21:09 - 21:09)
awesome.

[Speaker 3] (21:10 - 21:16)
No problem. We'll make sure um you know, as long as we get everything on the timeline, uh we'll make sure this is rectified so you c we can hear you in November.

[Speaker 5] (21:18 - 21:18)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (21:18 - 21:20)
John, I was mentioning that foundation thing.

[Speaker 5] (21:20 - 21:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (21:21 - 21:32)
check how you want the the foundation plan is not showing those bays, the elevation, the front elevation is a side, isn't. Um Yes. there's a the step to the front is also missing on the drawing. So,

[Speaker 5] (21:32 - 21:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (21:32 - 21:32)
you might

[Speaker 5] (21:32 - 21:33)
so add I that was

[Speaker 1] (21:33 - 21:33)
in there.

[Speaker 5] (21:33 - 21:38)
sure what yeah, that and then the two steps to this side. I wanted the uh the base to overhang.

[Speaker 9] (21:38 - 21:39)
What? I'll take a look at it again.

[Speaker 1] (21:39 - 21:42)
Yeah, if if that's your intent, get the lines off the

[Speaker 9] (21:42 - 21:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (21:42 - 21:45)
sheet of drawing. I just don't want them pouring your wrong foundation for you.

[Speaker 3] (21:45 - 22:01)
And before we let you go, I just make sure to mention if there's any updates to utilities, if there's any changes to condensers, compressors, any outdoor utilities, make sure it's shown on the plan and then we require screening around any of those. So just notate what screening is gonna be if it's a fence

[Speaker 9] (22:01 - 22:01)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (22:01 - 22:02)
or shrubbery

[Speaker 9] (22:02 - 22:02)
that's a good

[Speaker 3] (22:02 - 22:02)
anything

[Speaker 9] (22:02 - 22:02)
thing. Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (22:02 - 22:03)
to that nature.

[Speaker 9] (22:03 - 22:04)
that's a good thing to bring up definitely.

[Speaker 5] (22:04 - 22:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (22:04 - 22:04)
Come.

[Speaker 3] (22:04 - 22:05)
Ciao.

[Speaker 9] (22:05 - 22:05)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (22:06 - 22:07)
All right. We'll see you next month.

[Speaker 9] (22:07 - 22:07)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (22:07 - 22:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (22:09 - 22:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (22:12 - 22:20)
All right. So we can proceed now to petition trade four dash eleven four ninety one Humphrey Street by Xena Glickberg, care of Ken Schutzer.

[Speaker 3] (22:20 - 22:25)
I have a conflict on this as a abutter within.

[Speaker 1] (22:25 - 22:34)
299.9 yards probably. Um nonetheless a conflict. So I will see the chairmanship for this petition over to you Joe.

[Speaker 9] (22:34 - 22:36)
Great. Um

[Speaker 9] (22:37 - 22:40)
Ken, do you just want to give us a overview of what's going on?

[Speaker 10] (22:40 - 22:41)
It would be my pleasure.

[Speaker 10] (22:42 - 22:45)
Approximately a year ago, actually a year ago September,

[Speaker 10] (22:46 - 22:56)
we were before the board and we were granted a site plan special permit which we requested be phased and the phasing was precipitated for two reasons.

[Speaker 10] (22:56 - 23:01)
One was for financing equity so we would be able to go back to finish it.

[Speaker 10] (23:01 - 23:28)
Uh by providing the lender that we had in fact invested the money and therefore the value to them and their equity increased. Uh the second phasing was because of uh FEMA regulations with regard to uh our proximity to a um not that we you'd think of us as being in a flood zone, but the flood maps are what they are. So the suggestion at that point, and just sort of refreshing your memory from Steve Cummings, was if you phase it

[Speaker 10] (23:28 - 23:37)
And the overall project is less than 50% of the original value of the property.

[Speaker 10] (23:37 - 23:38)
You can do it that way.

[Speaker 10] (23:38 - 23:40)
So that's, and that's actually in the decision.

[Speaker 10] (23:40 - 23:42)
It's pretty well spelled out.

[Speaker 10] (23:43 - 23:50)
So that that that required that we come back before you to inform you where we were in this project.

[Speaker 10] (23:55 - 24:15)
I had spoken with the chair at that time just trying to get some idea exactly what the board was was looking for and um but the board what uh what Mr. Dooley indicated he was looking for and this is obviously the determination of the board is he wanted a narrative of you know what what's going on and what we've accomplished and and why there have been some delays and things such as that. Um

[Speaker 10] (24:17 - 24:24)
And for that reason, I had asked Xenia, who is a principal, to provide an explanation of the delay.

[Speaker 10] (24:24 - 24:27)
She had done that, and I believe that's in your package.

[Speaker 1] (24:27 - 24:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (24:28 - 24:31)
So, I mean, I'm sure she's glad to read it into the record,

[Speaker 10] (24:31 - 24:34)
but if you have it, it was really based upon...

[Speaker 10] (24:34 - 24:54)
a couple of factors, one of which is the original drawings, and I know that that those of you who are familiar with the original drawings, there were there was some technical uh errors, um so we had to go and and redo all the drawings over again and we had to rehire uh uh a uh a new uh new architect to do that.

[Speaker 10] (24:55 - 24:57)
Um and that delayed the project some degree.

[Speaker 10] (24:58 - 25:13)
The second was uh this was originally going to be uh heated uh by gas and um national grid was not necessarily as helpful as we thought and the project got stalled and then we it was all converted so this is entirely electric.

[Speaker 10] (25:13 - 25:33)
heated building now, there's no gas. Am I correct? Correct me if I'm in correct. Um the third was was something that nobody could have contemplated. Unfortunately Slava, who is here with me this evening, uh spent a couple of months in the hospital. Uh he had without getting into his hospitalisation, he was off the project for a couple of months.

[Speaker 10] (25:34 - 25:34)
Um

[Speaker 10] (25:35 - 25:41)
But those of you, I'm not sure if any of you have gone in, but I know the building inspector has and has signed off on the first three units.

[Speaker 10] (25:42 - 25:52)
So we're making significant progress and our expectation will be is that this project will be buttoned up and ready to go in the next year.

[Speaker 10] (25:53 - 26:03)
What still has to be done though is there's a bump out that was contemplated in the original set of plans that hasn't yet been has been done, um but the the plans, the footprint,

[Speaker 10] (26:04 - 26:16)
the exterior uh and I'll get into a couple of minor modifications uh is what was originally presented. Uh so there's no material changes, there are some minor modifications that were more precipitated by some

[Speaker 10] (26:16 - 26:22)
information on our original set of drawings which turned out to be incorrect. Yeah. We have a s like a if

[Speaker 9] (26:25 - 26:25)
Do you want this?

[Speaker 10] (26:25 - 26:30)
yeah, you can yeah, maybe yeah, you can go up. Here, why don't you take this up with you.

[Speaker 10] (26:34 - 26:36)
You know you'll always like the before and after.

[Speaker 10] (26:37 - 26:39)
This is the yeah, I think

[Speaker 11] (26:39 - 26:40)
This is the first page.

[Speaker 10] (26:40 - 26:42)
okay, and this is the second.

[Speaker 10] (26:42 - 26:49)
Okay. We also I have provided you, but these are the the larger versions of the before and after on the uh images.

[Speaker 10] (26:58 - 27:04)
I'm just gonna text me buddy. If you need these, these are the assets of the before and afters.

[Speaker 10] (27:06 - 27:07)
So what you see

[Speaker 10] (27:08 - 27:11)
is the project. Um,

[Speaker 10] (27:12 - 27:20)
and the renderings is it's obviously hasn't been fully painted, hasn't been fully finished, but this will be this is the finished project.

[Speaker 10] (27:20 - 27:27)
An overview, and I'm sure you all drive by it probably every day and have just have seen what has transpired. Um

[Speaker 5] (27:27 - 27:35)
Um, isn't exactly what the original drawings were. There are two more involuntications. One, and Saddam, if you could explain about the windows,

[Speaker 8] (27:35 - 27:35)
So we

[Speaker 5] (27:35 - 27:36)
the vent that came up.

[Speaker 8] (27:37 - 27:38)
Remade this um...

[Speaker 9] (27:38 - 27:40)
Angela, can you see what we're looking at?

[Speaker 10] (27:40 - 27:43)
Yeah, if we want, if you want us to move around

[Speaker 9] (27:43 - 27:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (27:43 - 27:43)
in different

[Speaker 9] (27:43 - 27:43)
we've got

[Speaker 10] (27:43 - 27:43)
ways

[Speaker 9] (27:43 - 27:44)
to figure out how to so get.

[Speaker 10] (27:44 - 27:45)
she can see it.

[Speaker 12] (27:45 - 27:45)
There we go.

[Speaker 9] (27:45 - 27:47)
We have a doctor who can hear us. Oh,

[Speaker 10] (27:47 - 27:47)
Wow.

[Speaker 5] (27:47 - 27:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (27:48 - 27:50)
now it is visible.

[Speaker 9] (27:55 - 27:59)
And can, is there a place on the plans where we can see the changes?

[Speaker 13] (27:59 - 28:00)
Uh, there should be, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (28:01 - 28:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 13] (28:01 - 28:08)
So this place right here, this was wider here. I've done, but I'm not explaining that in in your language but

[Speaker 9] (28:08 - 28:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 13] (28:08 - 28:13)
it's it's became narrower because of the height of the building code

[Speaker 5] (28:13 - 28:13)
It be

[Speaker 13] (28:13 - 28:14)
of the height of the

[Speaker 5] (28:14 - 28:23)
because building uh the integration between old building and the new construction we had to draw the nails down and that became

[Speaker 5] (28:24 - 28:25)
slower than

[Speaker 9] (28:25 - 28:25)
Mm

[Speaker 5] (28:25 - 28:26)
originally

[Speaker 9] (28:26 - 28:26)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (28:26 - 28:28)
drawn on the plans.

[Speaker 5] (28:28 - 28:29)
And um

[Speaker 9] (28:29 - 28:34)
So basically that beam that is shown on these two um pillars grew.

[Speaker 5] (28:34 - 28:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 13] (28:36 - 28:40)
And then we had to remove a couple windows from the original rendering.

[Speaker 5] (28:40 - 28:44)
So that this windows here, we had double windows right here.

[Speaker 5] (28:45 - 28:56)
We took them out because uh when we physically stood in the rooms in the bedroom, it would not make any sense because there was practically no walls to put any furniture or beds or anything like that.

[Speaker 9] (28:56 - 28:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 13] (28:57 - 28:58)
So that's the only changes we've made.

[Speaker 9] (28:59 - 28:59)
The um

[Speaker 9] (29:00 - 29:02)
So this is the rendering of

[Speaker 13] (29:02 - 29:02)
Now.

[Speaker 9] (29:02 - 29:08)
the the now. There's there's quite a few discrepancies on this from what is built

[Speaker 9] (29:08 - 29:35)
So um one thing is the fact that there's trim on the windows which were on the original proposals and and they're lacking on the building. It's it's basically uh a nail fin window with shingles right up to it. And then the other thing is that the proportions and sizes of the windows um on the on the rendering don't match the house um or the building. Currently that the front windows that are to the left

[Speaker 9] (29:35 - 29:39)
left of the porch are shorter, probably counter height windows.

[Speaker 9] (29:40 - 29:49)
So you have small windows on the first floor and then larger windows on the second floor. So there's a number of things. And then the columns got eliminated and they're sort of an uh

[Speaker 2] (29:50 - 29:51)
This uh this

[Speaker 1] (29:51 - 29:52)
window.

[Speaker 2] (29:52 - 29:59)
actually this column doesn't exist. There is a white uh three more. This doesn't exist.

[Speaker 1] (29:59 - 30:05)
Yeah, and it's it's as it's a pretty it's a it's pretty awkward um as a facade.

[Speaker 1] (30:05 - 30:30)
Um just in the sense that isn't matching what was presented to us, but it's also sort of nebulous in its style. You've got the double windows and the doors behind a a window opening instead of um treating it more like a porch. So it was a little surprising to see it and it's surprising to see the as-built rendered in a way that doesn't actually match as it was built. So

[Speaker 3] (30:30 - 30:31)
This we just got today.

[Speaker 1] (30:31 - 30:32)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (30:32 - 30:32)
So we we

[Speaker 1] (30:32 - 30:33)
So the art

[Speaker 3] (30:33 - 30:33)
didn't know that

[Speaker 1] (30:33 - 30:33)
the architect

[Speaker 3] (30:33 - 30:34)
neither rendered

[Speaker 1] (30:34 - 30:34)
sort of

[Speaker 4] (30:35 - 30:39)
So I send this out for someone that I know to draw it for me, basically

[Speaker 1] (30:39 - 30:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (30:39 - 30:41)
uh drawings there.

[Speaker 1] (30:41 - 30:41)
Yeah, but

[Speaker 4] (30:41 - 30:42)
But I want

[Speaker 1] (30:42 - 30:42)
but the

[Speaker 4] (30:42 - 30:42)
to

[Speaker 1] (30:42 - 30:50)
the as built if this is supposed to be as built, it should actually be as it is built, not as it was designed if there's a discrepancy.

[Speaker 5] (30:50 - 30:51)
We So can

[Speaker 1] (30:51 - 30:52)
I'm just pointing that out so it's on the recorder.

[Speaker 5] (30:52 - 30:57)
I point is well taken, it's just we just got this today. We we were trying to get everything together for you,

[Speaker 1] (30:57 - 30:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (30:57 - 30:58)
uh

[Speaker 1] (30:58 - 31:03)
No, but I just I just wanted to say if this is being presented and we're talking about this image,

[Speaker 1] (31:03 - 31:04)
edge, it doesn't actually match what

[Speaker 5] (31:04 - 31:05)
The image

[Speaker 1] (31:05 - 31:05)
was spoken

[Speaker 5] (31:05 - 31:12)
that that will we need to provide, I guess before you wrap this up will be an actual image that mirrors what this building looks like.

[Speaker 1] (31:12 - 31:15)
Correct, correct. And you'll see you'll see that the windows

[Speaker 4] (31:15 - 31:17)
The windows are full here,

[Speaker 1] (31:17 - 31:28)
no no here these two windows here are smaller than the windows above and here they're shown larger than the windows above. It's a it's a small thing, but it is something that that shows that

[Speaker 2] (31:28 - 31:28)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (31:28 - 31:29)
that

[Speaker 2] (31:29 - 31:29)
you have to

[Speaker 1] (31:29 - 31:31)
Any documentation should match what

[Speaker 5] (31:31 - 31:31)
I

[Speaker 1] (31:31 - 31:31)
was

[Speaker 5] (31:31 - 31:31)
fully

[Speaker 1] (31:31 - 31:32)
delivered.

[Speaker 5] (31:32 - 31:32)
agree.

[Speaker 2] (31:32 - 31:37)
There is one nation for that. I understand it's not exactly a speech that our citizens

[Speaker 5] (31:37 - 31:37)
You

[Speaker 2] (31:37 - 31:37)
would want.

[Speaker 5] (31:37 - 31:41)
know, I think without short-circuiting the process at all,

[Speaker 5] (31:41 - 31:48)
the actual as-built will be after its as-built rendering. We were trying to

[Speaker 4] (31:48 - 31:49)
Yeah, I need to understand.

[Speaker 5] (31:50 - 31:53)
something and apparently there was a discrepancy

[Speaker 2] (31:53 - 31:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (31:53 - 31:55)
in in that particular rendering.

[Speaker 1] (31:55 - 31:56)
No, I just I just want to point it out

[Speaker 5] (31:56 - 31:56)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (31:56 - 31:56)
to someone.

[Speaker 5] (31:56 - 31:58)
no, no, no. I'm I'm glad it's you did.

[Speaker 1] (31:58 - 32:00)
recorded, um because of the nature of the

[Speaker 5] (32:00 - 32:01)
I I would I would

[Speaker 4] (32:01 - 32:02)
Imagine we tried

[Speaker 4] (32:04 - 32:05)
really try to keep to what

[Speaker 1] (32:05 - 32:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (32:06 - 32:12)
you guys how you imagine this house to be built because we we still kind of went with the style that you suggested.

[Speaker 4] (32:13 - 32:23)
So by doing that, I mean, those windows were much more expensive for me because they had grids and I asked if we could do like if we can eliminate So grids, but they suggested that we do grids, so we we even did that.

[Speaker 2] (32:23 - 32:27)
So, right here on the front row, I would guess it's a bedroom.

[Speaker 2] (32:28 - 32:32)
uh because we have integration of four structure and the new structure.

[Speaker 2] (32:32 - 32:34)
The floors are actually much higher.

[Speaker 1] (32:35 - 32:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (32:35 - 32:42)
So if we would be violating the code how far you can go from the Right. floors so we have to make

[Speaker 1] (32:42 - 32:43)
So you had to shrink those, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (32:43 - 32:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (32:43 - 32:47)
So it's it's just getting it recorded I think is is important

[Speaker 2] (32:47 - 32:47)
Can we

[Speaker 1] (32:47 - 32:47)
there.

[Speaker 2] (32:47 - 32:48)
uh can we redraw this?

[Speaker 5] (32:48 - 32:51)
No, I I I th I think what they're saying is

[Speaker 5] (32:51 - 32:58)
Is this isn't perfect ultimately what is built will mirror what the rendering will be that we'll be providing at

[Speaker 1] (32:58 - 32:59)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (32:59 - 33:00)
when when we're finishing.

[Speaker 1] (33:00 - 33:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (33:01 - 33:08)
But we passed our so we are ready to close the walls. The installation is done. So we made

[Speaker 4] (33:09 - 33:10)
Pretty big progress from from

[Speaker 1] (33:10 - 33:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (33:11 - 33:13)
where we started, even though we had to stumble upon A a

[Speaker 1] (33:13 - 33:14)
lot of set-backs, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (33:14 - 33:14)
lot

[Speaker 1] (33:14 - 33:16)
You're looking good. You feeling

[Speaker 5] (33:16 - 33:16)
You

[Speaker 1] (33:16 - 33:16)
good?

[Speaker 5] (33:16 - 33:18)
know, I told him the same thing.

[Speaker 1] (33:18 - 33:19)
Yeah, good. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (33:19 - 33:31)
A lot of adjustments, you know, because he is a he's a handheld contractor, so the novelty has a defibrillator he can't work with a lot of tools, so he has to get more teams going everywhere. But that's that's okay, we'll pull through. But um

[Speaker 4] (33:32 - 33:38)
Our biggest setback was even not in his his situation in the hospital is the gas company

[Speaker 1] (33:39 - 33:39)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 4] (33:39 - 33:39)
that kept saying

[Speaker 1] (33:39 - 33:40)
unbelievable.

[Speaker 4] (33:40 - 33:45)
okay we need a couple we need a couple more weeks couple more weeks and it took two months to just let us know that there's a

[Speaker 5] (33:46 - 33:46)
Culvert.

[Speaker 4] (33:46 - 33:48)
culvert I keep it's that right

[Speaker 5] (33:48 - 33:48)
Is that

[Speaker 4] (33:48 - 33:48)
culvert

[Speaker 5] (33:48 - 33:49)
right?

[Speaker 4] (33:49 - 33:54)
on the road so that we can't go under it and if we do it's gonna cost us a million dollars, which is not worth building.

[Speaker 1] (33:55 - 33:55)
No.

[Speaker 6] (33:55 - 33:55)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (33:55 - 33:56)
So

[Speaker 6] (33:56 - 33:58)
Excuse me, aren't those our culverts?

[Speaker 4] (33:58 - 34:01)
already bought the systems we have them in the building but now they have to go over the all electric.

[Speaker 1] (34:03 - 34:03)
Okay, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (34:03 - 34:10)
So my understanding is that that culvert would have been shown on the original plans when you bought the site.

[Speaker 6] (34:10 - 34:13)
So if I'm looking at those original plans,

[Speaker 6] (34:13 - 34:15)
I can see a culvert there.

[Speaker 6] (34:16 - 34:18)
So, you know, could

[Speaker 1] (34:18 - 34:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (34:18 - 34:24)
I imagine you should have been able to, you know, get this information well ahead of time. I just, I don't understand why

[Speaker 5] (34:24 - 34:24)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (34:24 - 34:24)
it's being

[Speaker 5] (34:24 - 34:24)
I

[Speaker 6] (34:24 - 34:25)
done now.

[Speaker 5] (34:25 - 34:25)
don't

[Speaker 1] (34:25 - 34:25)
But

[Speaker 5] (34:25 - 34:25)
think the national

[Speaker 1] (34:25 - 34:25)
the source

[Speaker 5] (34:25 - 34:26)
code,

[Speaker 1] (34:26 - 34:26)
would

[Speaker 5] (34:26 - 34:26)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (34:26 - 34:28)
be the source would be ever source,

[Speaker 1] (34:28 - 34:28)
not.

[Speaker 1] (34:29 - 34:31)
That's not something a contractor would necessarily

[Speaker 4] (34:31 - 34:33)
Right, so correct, we did we So, did notice

[Speaker 6] (34:33 - 34:33)
right.

[Speaker 4] (34:33 - 34:38)
but but but there was gas in the house, so we thought that we have a gas in the house,

[Speaker 1] (34:39 - 34:39)
Good job.

[Speaker 4] (34:39 - 34:41)
we will do the six systems, we'll do

[Speaker 2] (34:41 - 34:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (34:41 - 34:41)
medians.

[Speaker 2] (34:41 - 34:42)
but because we

[Speaker 4] (34:42 - 34:42)
We

[Speaker 2] (34:42 - 34:42)
will only

[Speaker 4] (34:42 - 34:43)
already do had gas.

[Speaker 2] (34:43 - 34:43)
the, all

[Speaker 4] (34:43 - 34:43)
It's

[Speaker 2] (34:43 - 34:44)
we have to do just increase

[Speaker 4] (34:44 - 34:45)
Why?

[Speaker 2] (34:45 - 34:47)
the pipe size and see if you.

[Speaker 4] (34:47 - 34:51)
When you're increasing pipe size you not necessarily have to dig the street, in this case you do.

[Speaker 7] (34:51 - 34:52)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (34:52 - 34:52)
So it it sounds

[Speaker 6] (34:52 - 34:57)
And you're also in a flood zone which changes the, you know, which is a huge

[Speaker 6] (34:57 - 35:00)
Huge part about any kind of underground work in a flood zone,

[Speaker 6] (35:00 - 35:04)
which is why there are so many restrictions around working in flood zones.

[Speaker 6] (35:04 - 35:09)
But at any event, I understand that, you know,

[Speaker 6] (35:09 - 35:13)
I understand that this obviously these things cause a lot of delays.

[Speaker 6] (35:13 - 35:22)
I'm just looking at this picture you have up on the screen and I'm really not understanding that that rectangular window in the front of the building, that sort of opening.

[Speaker 6] (35:22 - 35:28)
And I understand you're talking about code, but when we first talked about this entryway,

[Speaker 6] (35:28 - 35:29)
I mean, it was like a railing.

[Speaker 6] (35:30 - 35:58)
It was a railing so it looks like this whole area that's white when you're looking at the building you can't even see the tops of those windows on the inside makes that little inside hallway I don't know really what it does I'm not as good at you know think you know being just describing those spaces as a chair might be for example but beyond my understanding about the 42 inches then you have to have the right height.

[Speaker 6] (35:59 - 36:00)
I mean, why is it block,

[Speaker 6] (36:00 - 36:05)
why does it look like that and why isn't it a railing and, you know,

[Speaker 6] (36:05 - 36:08)
all you need was a railing that's 42 inches high,

[Speaker 6] (36:09 - 36:11)
not an entire wall closing

[Speaker 2] (36:11 - 36:12)
So,

[Speaker 6] (36:12 - 36:13)
that in.

[Speaker 6] (36:13 - 36:14)
That makes no sense to me.

[Speaker 2] (36:14 - 36:17)
as we are doing this rough inspection,

[Speaker 2] (36:19 - 36:25)
We spoke with the inspector, and we actually came up with a plan to reduce this section,

[Speaker 2] (36:25 - 36:30)
this section here, uh to lower it down and do the rating to make

[Speaker 4] (36:30 - 36:35)
If you if you if you if you insistent insist insisted on it we would do that.

[Speaker 1] (36:35 - 36:35)
I

[Speaker 4] (36:35 - 36:40)
If you insist on lowering that section,

[Speaker 4] (36:40 - 36:45)
we could do a railing there, but that's not the original plan. We didn't have a railing there in the original plan.

[Speaker 6] (36:46 - 36:50)
I guess I'm looking at a plan where it shows the railing. Maybe that was the first iteration.

[Speaker 6] (36:51 - 36:57)
I have, it's in the package here, you know, prior to, from back in July or September,

[Speaker 6] (36:57 - 37:01)
I think, the plans that we looked at had railings there,

[Speaker 6] (37:01 - 37:03)
just like your back door does.

[Speaker 2] (37:04 - 37:12)
Yeah, the opening actually was wider on the original plans, uh but I I do agree, I don't I don't like it myself, that's a straight arrow.

[Speaker 1] (37:12 - 37:13)
I'm I'm

[Speaker 1] (37:14 - 37:23)
I think that it's aesthetically not working on the front, but I'm also thinking there's value in lowering that for the for the unit.

[Speaker 1] (37:23 - 37:25)
'Cause I'm assuming these are are condos.

[Speaker 5] (37:26 - 37:26)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (37:26 - 37:27)
It's very dark. I mean,

[Speaker 1] (37:27 - 37:27)
So

[Speaker 6] (37:27 - 37:28)
I I wouldn't

[Speaker 1] (37:28 - 37:28)
w I would

[Speaker 6] (37:28 - 37:28)
want think that.

[Speaker 1] (37:28 - 37:32)
that that those front areas to get more light in there,

[Speaker 2] (37:32 - 37:32)
Who is going to

[Speaker 1] (37:32 - 37:34)
it would it would benefit um

[Speaker 2] (37:34 - 37:42)
It it has will be allowed if you put regular P_V_C_ railings here and integrate them into the speech?

[Speaker 2] (37:42 - 37:47)
this pillar because that's what I would personally want to make an opening and bring more light in.

[Speaker 1] (37:47 - 38:05)
One one of the things you could consider doing would be aligning the top of the solid wall with the windowsill of the windows in the back and then having a small rail on top of that so so go with a column instead of the the way this is picture

[Speaker 2] (38:05 - 38:05)
Portion

[Speaker 1] (38:05 - 38:05)
frame right

[Speaker 2] (38:05 - 38:07)
portion of the rail, right?

[Speaker 1] (38:07 - 38:09)
so so you don't you're

[Speaker 4] (38:09 - 38:09)
So go over it.

[Speaker 1] (38:10 - 38:15)
lower the wall and then bring it the put a rail on top of the solid

[Speaker 4] (38:15 - 38:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (38:15 - 38:15)
wall so

[Speaker 4] (38:15 - 38:15)
that's

[Speaker 1] (38:15 - 38:15)
you have

[Speaker 4] (38:15 - 38:15)
what it

[Speaker 1] (38:15 - 38:15)
light

[Speaker 4] (38:15 - 38:16)
means to

[Speaker 1] (38:16 - 38:16)
coming

[Speaker 4] (38:16 - 38:16)
us. So

[Speaker 1] (38:16 - 38:16)
through.

[Speaker 4] (38:16 - 38:16)
PVC,

[Speaker 4] (38:17 - 38:21)
right? PVC on top of, so cut this and then put PVC on top.

[Speaker 2] (38:22 - 38:23)
Maybe

[Speaker 5] (38:23 - 38:23)
So

[Speaker 2] (38:23 - 38:23)
a coffee

[Speaker 5] (38:23 - 38:23)
it's a But bit of

[Speaker 1] (38:23 - 38:24)
but I wouldn't

[Speaker 5] (38:24 - 38:24)
even if

[Speaker 1] (38:24 - 38:44)
I would align it with your windowsill on the windows behind Yeah, so that you've got a nice plane running around that space and then put put a lighter rail So people like so you're getting light back to that and then the other thing that I would recommend would be as you taking this apart

[Speaker 1] (38:45 - 38:47)
Right now it's picture framed,

[Speaker 2] (38:47 - 38:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (38:47 - 39:00)
which doesn't really have any sort of your that the house itself or the building itself has architectural reference to to things. I would suggest doing it wouldn't even have to be a radical departure.

[Speaker 1] (39:01 - 39:09)
You could do square but but lightning it so it isn't so heavy and reads like a sort of reads like a window.

[Speaker 2] (39:09 - 39:11)
I wish it was much thinner.

[Speaker 1] (39:11 - 39:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (39:11 - 39:12)
Much thinner.

[Speaker 1] (39:12 - 39:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (39:13 - 39:15)
I think I can drop it down to, like you said.

[Speaker 1] (39:16 - 39:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (39:17 - 39:28)
And then you can get that height with a light rail and sort of hold it back towards the deck, and you'll get a lot more light in and it will also balance the front of that.

[Speaker 2] (39:28 - 39:28)
You

[Speaker 1] (39:28 - 39:28)
Because

[Speaker 2] (39:28 - 39:28)
are talking

[Speaker 1] (39:28 - 39:29)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (39:29 - 39:30)
about the second portion you suggested.

[Speaker 1] (39:31 - 39:31)
Good.

[Speaker 5] (39:32 - 39:32)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (39:32 - 39:33)
Go

[Speaker 5] (39:33 - 39:34)
wait a ahead. sec, only the second.

[Speaker 1] (39:34 - 39:38)
But I think that'll make sense of that elevation,

[Speaker 1] (39:38 - 39:41)
because that elevation isn't making as much sense as it should now.

[Speaker 4] (39:41 - 39:41)
I'll take it.

[Speaker 2] (39:41 - 39:41)
I can do that.

[Speaker 3] (39:44 - 39:52)
So I guess, you know, could we get a plan that just shows these minor changes? Like, what's the easiest way to uh

[Speaker 3] (39:53 - 39:56)
It sounds like you guys came to us to get approval for our account,

[Speaker 4] (39:56 - 39:56)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (39:56 - 39:56)
which we might

[Speaker 4] (39:56 - 39:56)
we got

[Speaker 3] (39:56 - 39:57)
not necessarily

[Speaker 4] (39:57 - 39:57)
we are there we're

[Speaker 3] (39:57 - 39:57)
today.

[Speaker 4] (39:57 - 40:01)
asking for the approval not necessarily for any of the technical aspects.

[Speaker 2] (40:01 - 40:01)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (40:01 - 40:01)
It was giving us

[Speaker 2] (40:01 - 40:02)
For extension.

[Speaker 4] (40:02 - 40:03)
giving us the additional

[Speaker 2] (40:03 - 40:03)
You could.

[Speaker 4] (40:03 - 40:03)
year

[Speaker 1] (40:03 - 40:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (40:04 - 40:06)
and and in during that time

[Speaker 4] (40:07 - 40:17)
Um, you know, if you as a condition that we'll be providing you prior to the ultimate building um certificate of occupancy, I guess, or the building sign off, um

[Speaker 4] (40:18 - 40:29)
these plans. Uh I don't think it requires um, you know, anything more than just you you're reviewing with the building commissioner um, but yeah, it it will the ultimate rendering isn't gonna look like this.

[Speaker 4] (40:30 - 40:42)
It's going to be changed, there's a is a some technicalities that I was not aware of. My my eye is not nearly as keen as yours, but obviously the change in this is, and that will be reflected on those plans.

[Speaker 3] (40:42 - 40:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (40:42 - 40:47)
And uh please if you drive by and you see something, say something, you know one of the

[Speaker 5] (40:48 - 40:48)
Is that right?

[Speaker 3] (40:48 - 40:50)
Stealing from the MBTA. Uh

[Speaker 6] (40:52 - 40:54)
So the request is strictly

[Speaker 3] (40:54 - 40:54)
Just an extension.

[Speaker 7] (40:54 - 40:55)
At what time

[Speaker 6] (40:55 - 40:55)
an

[Speaker 7] (40:55 - 40:55)
is this

[Speaker 6] (40:55 - 40:55)
extension.

[Speaker 7] (40:55 - 40:55)
project?

[Speaker 8] (40:55 - 40:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (40:55 - 41:01)
Yeah, as long as we're comfortable that whatever minor changes you'd make would just be administrative and you're comfortable to

[Speaker 4] (41:01 - 41:02)
Yeah, well I'll make sure,

[Speaker 7] (41:02 - 41:02)
You didn't

[Speaker 4] (41:02 - 41:02)
you

[Speaker 7] (41:02 - 41:04)
win those, I told you guys.

[Speaker 4] (41:04 - 41:08)
know, I think the best bet would be if either jurors, or maybe you Joe,

[Speaker 4] (41:08 - 41:09)
you can just talk to the,

[Speaker 4] (41:09 - 41:13)
before we get any certificate of occupancy, that you'll have a chance just to

[Speaker 7] (41:14 - 41:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (41:14 - 41:18)
Yeah, that sounds right. Because I assume you want to have this conversation on a day like today rather than

[Speaker 3] (41:18 - 41:19)
In our

[Speaker 9] (41:19 - 41:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (41:19 - 41:19)
meetings.

[Speaker 3] (41:19 - 41:20)
I think they can.

[Speaker 9] (41:20 - 41:20)
There

[Speaker 4] (41:20 - 41:21)
You

[Speaker 9] (41:21 - 41:21)
might

[Speaker 4] (41:21 - 41:22)
there's no need to bring me in on something

[Speaker 6] (41:22 - 41:22)
No,

[Speaker 4] (41:22 - 41:23)
like that.

[Speaker 6] (41:23 - 41:23)
but Krista may.

[Speaker 6] (41:25 - 41:26)
I don't know where it goes file-wise.

[Speaker 6] (41:27 - 41:27)
Joe?

[Speaker 3] (41:27 - 41:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (41:28 - 41:29)
Do you do you need the rendering?

[Speaker 9] (41:29 - 41:30)
I have an email I can email back there.

[Speaker 3] (41:30 - 41:33)
Do we need the rendering if there's gonna be a new rendering? I don't

[Speaker 6] (41:33 - 41:33)
That's

[Speaker 3] (41:33 - 41:34)
think

[Speaker 6] (41:34 - 41:34)
true.

[Speaker 3] (41:34 - 41:34)
so.

[Speaker 9] (41:35 - 41:36)
Do you want this one or do you want the

[Speaker 3] (41:36 - 41:36)
I

[Speaker 9] (41:36 - 41:36)
other one?

[Speaker 3] (41:36 - 41:38)
guess we should take it if we can have it.

[Speaker 9] (41:38 - 41:41)
Yeah, we could go I'd like to see it. Do we have you know

[Speaker 9] (41:42 - 41:52)
do we have the actual plans of what we approved for this for the phase one compared to what I'm looking at now do

[Speaker 4] (41:52 - 41:52)
Yes,

[Speaker 9] (41:52 - 41:52)
we have

[Speaker 4] (41:52 - 41:53)
you do.

[Speaker 4] (41:53 - 41:54)
That was submitted,

[Speaker 4] (41:54 - 41:55)
that has been submitted.

[Speaker 10] (41:55 - 41:57)
That was submitted earlier today.

[Speaker 9] (41:57 - 42:00)
can we look at them is there any way we can see them side by side

[Speaker 9] (42:01 - 42:09)
you know I feel like I'm you know trying to switch between screens here and figure out what I'm looking at and

[Speaker 9] (42:11 - 42:12)
I can

[Speaker 11] (42:12 - 42:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (42:12 - 42:13)
pull them up Angela?

[Speaker 4] (42:13 - 42:15)
So what wasn't that the one that we originally oh that's right

[Speaker 9] (42:15 - 42:17)
I can give my best side by side with what I've already said.

[Speaker 9] (42:17 - 42:19)
Misa had the the updated ones.

[Speaker 4] (42:19 - 42:22)
Okay. We submitted I'm just trying to get some background for you.

[Speaker 4] (42:23 - 42:36)
Um when we ran into some issues with the prior architect who can remain nameless, um we resubmitted the new set of plans to Marissa. Um so you'll see the dates on those plans that go back.

[Speaker 4] (42:37 - 42:46)
Um and those are the plans they were working on when they realised that these discrepancies were gonna cause in some undue issues that were gonna be coming up.

[Speaker 12] (42:47 - 42:47)
But those But were the same.

[Speaker 4] (42:47 - 42:59)
those uh those are those are in the file, these the uh the plans that we built off of and and the ones that you currently have now are the existing ones as to for as the work has been done consistent with that.

[Speaker 4] (43:02 - 43:02)
You know,

[Speaker 4] (43:02 - 43:14)
it basically with the site plan, and this is not my purview, but it's the exterior of the building, but the lot most of the changes were occasioned by interior issues that we ran into which were unforeseen.

[Speaker 9] (43:19 - 43:21)
Well, you know, I can't, but

[Speaker 4] (43:21 - 43:24)
I would also s I'd also say this in all in all fairness.

[Speaker 4] (43:25 - 43:28)
This is so rare that you ever have an opportunity,

[Speaker 4] (43:28 - 43:37)
you know, we walk away with a set of plans and ultimately what's built isn't always exactly what was.

[Speaker 4] (43:37 - 43:43)
This is a second tier approach only because of the phasing that puts us in this position.

[Speaker 4] (43:43 - 43:48)
Now I think every applicant should have as build plan submitted before.

[Speaker 9] (43:48 - 43:51)
We do have the, it's in the bylaw now,

[Speaker 9] (43:51 - 43:53)
that you have to have an as.

[Speaker 9] (43:53 - 43:53)
And that plan,

[Speaker 4] (43:53 - 43:53)
Well,

[Speaker 9] (43:53 - 43:54)
I

[Speaker 4] (43:54 - 43:56)
if in fact that's being done.

[Speaker 9] (43:57 - 44:04)
mean, whether or not it's being, whether or not our building commissioner is, is.

[Speaker 9] (44:05 - 44:10)
you know enforcing that is that's not a conversation I'm going to have right now but

[Speaker 4] (44:10 - 44:10)
No,

[Speaker 9] (44:10 - 44:10)
it's it's

[Speaker 4] (44:10 - 44:13)
I don't, I understand,

[Speaker 4] (44:13 - 44:15)
I understand, Mr.

[Speaker 4] (44:15 - 44:17)
Bellito, the change in the bylaw,

[Speaker 4] (44:17 - 44:28)
and in fact if it's followed I think it's a great idea to ensure that everybody stays as honest as they propose they are going to be when the project is built.

[Speaker 4] (44:29 - 44:33)
The reality is sometimes things don't always work out exactly, not because of

[Speaker 4] (44:35 - 44:39)
either lack of due diligence or not being candid at the beginning as things come up.

[Speaker 4] (44:40 - 44:53)
But I would hate to see somebody having to redo their structure because of some minor technical... I think ultimately what we're trying to accomplish though is get this project done as close to the original application as we can.

[Speaker 4] (44:53 - 44:59)
I think if you show see a material change as opposed to a minor change then I think...

[Speaker 4] (45:00 - 45:06)
Your there has to be some way of dealing with it I'm not sure quite how to do it because I haven't seen it done before

[Speaker 4] (45:07 - 45:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (45:07 - 45:09)
I think the thing,

[Speaker 6] (45:09 - 45:14)
the few things that we're talking about are sort of landing in an area that you agree with.

[Speaker 4] (45:14 - 45:14)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (45:14 - 45:14)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (45:14 - 45:15)
I'm not I'm not in disagreement

[Speaker 6] (45:15 - 45:19)
you know, that's that's the the thing I want to point out. Um,

[Speaker 6] (45:20 - 45:21)
I

[Speaker 6] (45:22 - 45:24)
think these are both the same.

[Speaker 9] (45:27 - 45:31)
Are there the two versions that were submitted by Ken earlier today?

[Speaker 9] (45:33 - 45:35)
So they're not exactly the same.

[Speaker 13] (45:35 - 45:36)
Well, I think the ones that we

[Speaker 6] (45:36 - 45:36)
But

[Speaker 13] (45:36 - 45:37)
voted

[Speaker 6] (45:37 - 45:37)
these are not

[Speaker 13] (45:37 - 45:37)
on.

[Speaker 6] (45:37 - 45:39)
these are not the ones that we voted on

[Speaker 9] (45:40 - 45:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (45:40 - 45:46)
Yeah, that which is a different set, but that's that's something but I would say Joe

[Speaker 3] (45:48 - 46:04)
In terms of I think tonight, you know, I think, well, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna open it up first like public comment, then we can talk briefly. But you know, if the main the main focus tonight is just an extension of time, right. So I think we can have this conversation later, but if there are other things that people wanna throw out there, now's probably a good time since we're talking about it. So,

[Speaker 4] (46:04 - 46:06)
I think it's a very healthy discussion.

[Speaker 6] (46:06 - 46:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (46:06 - 46:12)
um but uh can what what is the extension that you're looking for exactly? What to what dates?

[Speaker 4] (46:12 - 46:15)
I would ask for an an what do you think, another year?

[Speaker 9] (46:16 - 46:17)
we should be completely done.

[Speaker 6] (46:18 - 46:19)
Completely done with phase one?

[Speaker 9] (46:19 - 46:20)
With phase one

[Speaker 4] (46:20 - 46:21)
One

[Speaker 9] (46:21 - 46:21)
and

[Speaker 4] (46:21 - 46:21)
and

[Speaker 9] (46:21 - 46:21)
two.

[Speaker 4] (46:21 - 46:21)
two?

[Speaker 6] (46:21 - 46:22)
One and two,

[Speaker 4] (46:22 - 46:22)
One and two.

[Speaker 6] (46:22 - 46:22)
okay.

[Speaker 9] (46:22 - 46:23)
We need to be

[Speaker 4] (46:24 - 46:24)
As

[Speaker 6] (46:24 - 46:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (46:24 - 46:26)
much as we enjoy coming, we would like to

[Speaker 14] (46:26 - 46:28)
So what is the deadline on phase one right now?

[Speaker 9] (46:29 - 46:30)
It was about

[Speaker 14] (46:30 - 46:31)
Today or

[Speaker 9] (46:31 - 46:32)
five, yeah, it was

[Speaker 13] (46:32 - 46:32)
But

[Speaker 14] (46:32 - 46:35)
And how far away are you from completion?

[Speaker 13] (46:35 - 46:45)
We are we already passed rough inspection in phase one and phase one is the I guess was the biggest portion of it because we had to rebuild. When we have to extend and rebuild new, it's much quicker

[Speaker 3] (46:45 - 46:46)
quicker.

[Speaker 13] (46:46 - 46:55)
than rebuilding it. So when we rebuilt the house we uh we started but again we hit the winter, the winter months, everything got delayed. Um

[Speaker 13] (46:55 - 47:00)
So we are at the rough inspection we already passed it like few weeks ago. We're ready to close the walls.

[Speaker 15] (47:00 - 47:04)
So we pass fire, we pass rough, we pass plumbing,

[Speaker 15] (47:04 - 47:05)
we pass electrical.

[Speaker 15] (47:06 - 47:23)
This week I'm sprinkler and I need to this week all of my insulation is already done, spray foam is done up on the ceiling, on attic ceiling and I'm planning to do insulation inspection and hopefully next week I'm going to start closing the walls.

[Speaker 14] (47:24 - 47:28)
So technically, what do we consider done when we do something at phase one?

[Speaker 14] (47:30 - 47:32)
Is there any guidance on that or

[Speaker 9] (47:33 - 47:38)
So the finishes, I'm assuming the finishes aren't done or you couldn't move in tomorrow,

[Speaker 9] (47:38 - 47:41)
like the floor is in or the walls painted.

[Speaker 9] (47:41 - 47:41)
I mean,

[Speaker 9] (47:41 - 47:43)
I'm assuming that's not part of it.

[Speaker 6] (47:43 - 47:45)
No, the rough is done,

[Speaker 9] (47:45 - 47:45)
Rough,

[Speaker 6] (47:45 - 47:45)
is what you've

[Speaker 9] (47:45 - 47:46)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (47:46 - 47:46)
said. Yeah, the

[Speaker 9] (47:46 - 47:47)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (47:47 - 47:47)
rough.

[Speaker 9] (47:47 - 47:47)
thanks.

[Speaker 14] (47:48 - 47:50)
So do we, I guess uh

[Speaker 14] (47:51 - 48:06)
How much time do they need for phase one, I guess is the root of the question. So if phase one doesn't get completed until the carpeting is down and uh you know the dishes are in the cabinets, then that's one date. If it can be done after a rough, then that's the different date.

[Speaker 4] (48:06 - 48:08)
I I think for financing purposes

[Speaker 4] (48:09 - 48:26)
you know, the phase one that we've accomplished and and the permits that we've received will allow for that refinancing to have occurred. You know, they're not looking for, you know, a move in date yet for anybody because, you know, ultimately nobody wants to move in if there's still being construction done on the other side of the wall.

[Speaker 6] (48:26 - 48:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (48:27 - 48:30)
I will tell you one thing just so you so 'cause I w actually was inside.

[Speaker 13] (48:30 - 48:30)
Yeah, we were

[Speaker 4] (48:30 - 48:36)
Most of phase two is already done. The it's just the push-out part hasn't been done.

[Speaker 6] (48:36 - 48:36)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (48:36 - 48:40)
So if you go in, you'll see the stairs leading to the other units of phase two.

[Speaker 13] (48:40 - 48:42)
Where those doors are put in.

[Speaker 4] (48:42 - 48:49)
So it's it's a lot of that's already been done. When they were inside redoing the building, structurally supporting the beams, I I mean you you're

[Speaker 14] (48:49 - 48:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (48:50 - 48:50)
This is something interesting.

[Speaker 14] (48:50 - 48:51)
You prepared for phase two,

[Speaker 3] (48:51 - 48:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (48:52 - 48:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (48:52 - 48:52)
let's

[Speaker 14] (48:52 - 48:52)
but this is a we

[Speaker 3] (48:52 - 48:56)
have a we have a we open it up to public comment for a minute just to see if anybody here is

[Speaker 4] (48:56 - 48:56)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (48:56 - 49:01)
here for that and then we as the we can open it back up to the board and we can ask any questions that we

[Speaker 14] (49:01 - 49:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (49:01 - 49:01)
want.

[Speaker 3] (49:01 - 49:03)
Um so

[Speaker 14] (49:03 - 49:04)
Yeah, oh you could

[Speaker 3] (49:04 - 49:09)
uh we'll close Ken's presentation and open it up to public comment. I don't know if anybody here or is

[Speaker 4] (49:09 - 49:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (49:09 - 49:11)
there anybody on line here to comment on this?

[Speaker 3] (49:17 - 49:21)
Okay, if none then I'll close public comment and we can just go right back to your line of questions Bill.

[Speaker 14] (49:22 - 49:28)
Uh so uh so back to the root of why they're here, right? So they want uh time extension.

[Speaker 14] (49:29 - 49:37)
And the I uh just am trying to get some guidance on what time we gave them or when it's due versus what they're asking for now, and then

[Speaker 14] (49:38 - 49:39)
it would make logical sense to me

[Speaker 1] (49:50 - 49:56)
then, you know, we just do the math for phase two, adding the last phase two time. That's what I'm trying to figure out

[Speaker 2] (49:56 - 49:56)
I

[Speaker 1] (49:56 - 49:57)
where you're

[Speaker 2] (49:57 - 49:57)
think

[Speaker 1] (49:57 - 49:57)
at.

[Speaker 2] (49:57 - 49:59)
these two phases can be done concurrently.

[Speaker 2] (49:59 - 50:03)
I think now that we're at this point where we've gotten the sign-offs

[Speaker 2] (50:04 - 50:19)
We can actually start doing more work on Phase II and we'll now be able to do the push out on the back which will allow, I think, what the kitchens are going in there uh for the other units. So and that's already in the original footprint. So it it this is more of a technical exercise

[Speaker 3] (50:19 - 50:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (50:20 - 50:30)
in the than it is in terms of of true phasing where in in you do one one set of units and then you do another set that you've contemplated conceptually,

[Speaker 2] (50:31 - 50:32)
This is all done at once.

[Speaker 2] (50:32 - 50:38)
I mean everything that you see that's there is going to be there, except for the bump-out in the back.

[Speaker 1] (50:38 - 50:40)
Right, so we've already approved the phase two.

[Speaker 2] (50:40 - 50:42)
So, yes, you ha you approved

[Speaker 4] (50:42 - 50:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (50:42 - 50:48)
phase two indirectly by approving pha one because the original application asked for the six units.

[Speaker 2] (50:49 - 50:52)
We asked for the phasing. We're the ones that created this

[Speaker 2] (50:52 - 50:55)
this responsibility to come back before you.

[Speaker 2] (50:55 - 50:57)
It's not that you told us we had to do it this way.

[Speaker 2] (50:58 - 51:03)
We said, can we do it this way because it'll allow us to get our financing so we can finish, plus it would,

[Speaker 2] (51:03 - 51:05)
from a FEMA's perspective,

[Speaker 2] (51:05 - 51:07)
it allowed us to do it this way.

[Speaker 2] (51:08 - 51:09)
As you may recall,

[Speaker 2] (51:09 - 51:16)
the back end of that building will be on pylons, whereas the rest of the building is on the existing foundation.

[Speaker 1] (51:16 - 51:19)
Right, we did that all through the site review. I remember we...

[Speaker 1] (51:19 - 51:19)
We

[Speaker 2] (51:19 - 51:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (51:20 - 51:22)
we have approved the phase two parts

[Speaker 2] (51:22 - 51:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (51:22 - 51:31)
and we know exactly what's coming again the only thing that I'm still unclear on is when that phase one was supposed to end by

[Speaker 2] (51:31 - 51:32)
I don't think there was any specific time.

[Speaker 5] (51:32 - 51:38)
deadline, I think we were supposed to end the whole project, which now that I'm thinking it's was a little bit overzealous.

[Speaker 6] (51:38 - 51:39)
It

[Speaker 5] (51:39 - 51:39)
In the one year,

[Speaker 6] (51:39 - 51:40)
could be our decision.

[Speaker 2] (51:42 - 51:43)
I'm Your sorry.

[Speaker 5] (51:43 - 51:45)
decision was one year, you you know,

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:45)
One

[Speaker 5] (51:45 - 51:45)
that

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:46)
year.

[Speaker 5] (51:46 - 51:47)
that was one year for the whole project.

[Speaker 1] (51:48 - 51:51)
for the whole project. Is that what you recollect, Angela?

[Speaker 2] (51:51 - 51:58)
Well it's it's said we contemplated that we would find ourselves needing to come back and that's why there was this administrative review you

[Speaker 1] (51:58 - 51:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (51:59 - 52:03)
know clearly we couldn't define things that we were

[Speaker 1] (52:03 - 52:05)
I have no problem

[Speaker 2] (52:05 - 52:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (52:05 - 52:13)
with the time. I have no problem with the plans. I do think that there are some things that I think they're willing to do that make it closer to

[Speaker 2] (52:13 - 52:15)
You know something every one of these suggestions I think has

[Speaker 1] (52:15 - 52:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (52:15 - 52:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (52:15 - 52:20)
has ultimately resulted in these units being worth more you

[Speaker 7] (52:20 - 52:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (52:20 - 52:24)
know because it's in it's all not these are numbers this is what what they're dealing with they

[Speaker 1] (52:24 - 52:24)
But tonight,

[Speaker 2] (52:24 - 52:25)
have to make it work

[Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:27)
but tonight our technical challenge here

[Speaker 2] (52:27 - 52:39)
so if if you think and believe me I didn't occur to me that the people in the front unit will now have more light and therefore ultimately when they go in to look at the unit they're buying it looks brighter inside I suspect that's going to help be helpful

[Speaker 2] (52:40 - 52:42)
I don't look at that and see that, but you did.

[Speaker 2] (52:42 - 52:51)
So we have no problem. That's not telling us we got to tear the roof down like they had on that other unit that was down the street. You may remember that one when the guy just.

[Speaker 2] (52:52 - 52:58)
put this addition on and without a permit. But this is just trying to work out these technicalities and we're more than willing

[Speaker 1] (52:58 - 52:59)
Yeah, but to Ken,

[Speaker 2] (52:59 - 52:59)
work how with

[Speaker 1] (52:59 - 53:02)
much time do you think you realistically need just to like get everything done?

[Speaker 5] (53:02 - 53:03)
That's in 14 months. I mean the 14 months?

[Speaker 2] (53:03 - 53:04)
Fourteen months.

[Speaker 1] (53:05 - 53:06)
I thought you just said a year.

[Speaker 2] (53:06 - 53:06)
Yeah, I just

[Speaker 5] (53:06 - 53:07)
You said 12 or 14

[Speaker 2] (53:07 - 53:07)
when you

[Speaker 5] (53:07 - 53:07)
months,

[Speaker 2] (53:07 - 53:08)
said the word

[Speaker 5] (53:08 - 53:08)
whatever you will.

[Speaker 2] (53:08 - 53:10)
realistically, she looks at me like

[Speaker 2] (53:11 - 53:13)
probably closer to fourteen months.

[Speaker 8] (53:16 - 53:20)
So I guess my thing I thought I think we're going to get a little bit closer to to the Well, rather than go

[Speaker 2] (53:20 - 53:20)
maybe

[Speaker 8] (53:20 - 53:21)
the the other

[Speaker 2] (53:21 - 53:21)
maybe

[Speaker 8] (53:21 - 53:21)
way. So the maybe

[Speaker 2] (53:21 - 53:21)
world

[Speaker 8] (53:21 - 53:28)
we will just I think I'd be okay saying a year because if this was to be done now and you know, let's see like how it goes and

[Speaker 1] (53:28 - 53:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (53:28 - 53:31)
the supply you guys not have to come back to us, but I feel like you know

[Speaker 2] (53:32 - 53:33)
The coming back part,

[Speaker 2] (53:33 - 53:39)
you know, you give a permit to build so long as the building is going on, we don't have to come back.

[Speaker 2] (53:39 - 53:46)
It's if there was a cessation in the time and therefore the permit lapsed because we didn't act on the permit after we got some relief.

[Speaker 2] (53:46 - 53:48)
Then we'd have to come back and ask you once again.

[Speaker 2] (53:49 - 53:50)
This,

[Speaker 2] (53:50 - 53:51)
as I said, was self-imposed.

[Speaker 2] (53:51 - 53:56)
We forced ourselves to come here so we could then go to FEMA or we could then go to the lender and say, look,

[Speaker 8] (53:56 - 53:56)
right.

[Speaker 2] (53:56 - 54:00)
we have now gotten the sign-off on Part A.

[Speaker 2] (54:01 - 54:26)
as opposed to asking for the sign-off on the whole building which we knew we couldn't possibly do with the amount of financing that we had to do how much we've done. So the timing part w it was almost immaterial. It was the the phasing part, the creating two pieces of this puzzle that had to fit together from f the FEMA's perspective because what happened is the building inspector will then do an evaluation for FEMA.

[Speaker 2] (54:26 - 54:27)
As well as for the banks.

[Speaker 2] (54:28 - 54:28)
And

[Speaker 8] (54:28 - 54:28)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (54:28 - 54:29)
okay,

[Speaker 8] (54:29 - 54:29)
no,

[Speaker 8] (54:29 - 54:30)
I think we understand that.

[Speaker 8] (54:30 - 54:30)
I

[Speaker 2] (54:30 - 54:31)
I didn't want to be repetitive.

[Speaker 2] (54:31 - 54:33)
I just want to make sure I communicated.

[Speaker 8] (54:33 - 54:33)
guess, I don't

[Speaker 1] (54:33 - 54:34)
I

[Speaker 8] (54:34 - 54:34)
know what

[Speaker 1] (54:34 - 54:36)
do want to ask just a question in general.

[Speaker 1] (54:36 - 54:39)
The, what are the,

[Speaker 1] (54:39 - 54:41)
what

[Speaker 1] (54:44 - 54:50)
Is the risk to the town or to the adjacent neighbours if this was fourteen months versus twelve months?

[Speaker 8] (54:51 - 54:57)
Yeah. I guess just, you know, we have these timelines, we want projects to stay on pace, I feel like projects should always,

[Speaker 8] (54:58 - 55:02)
kind of I mean, look they're they they want people to get in they want to complete it as fast

[Speaker 1] (55:02 - 55:02)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (55:02 - 55:02)
as possible, right?

[Speaker 1] (55:02 - 55:02)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (55:02 - 55:04)
Because that they don't make any money until Or they get

[Speaker 5] (55:04 - 55:04)
we in want

[Speaker 8] (55:04 - 55:04)
there.

[Speaker 5] (55:04 - 55:05)
to get it done faster in

[Speaker 8] (55:05 - 55:05)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (55:05 - 55:06)
twelve months.

[Speaker 1] (55:06 - 55:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (55:06 - 55:06)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (55:06 - 55:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (55:06 - 55:09)
But I'm just thinking ahead that I mean everything

[Speaker 8] (55:09 - 55:11)
And and you're looking back at the last few

[Speaker 5] (55:11 - 55:11)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (55:11 - 55:11)
months

[Speaker 5] (55:11 - 55:12)
everything collapsed,

[Speaker 8] (55:12 - 55:12)
of what has happened.

[Speaker 5] (55:12 - 55:13)
emergencies happen.

[Speaker 1] (55:13 - 55:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (55:16 - 55:17)
It's a little up there.

[Speaker 5] (55:17 - 55:17)
So is

[Speaker 9] (55:17 - 55:18)
So,

[Speaker 5] (55:18 - 55:19)
what I,

[Speaker 9] (55:19 - 55:19)
that's

[Speaker 5] (55:19 - 55:19)
I'm

[Speaker 9] (55:19 - 55:19)
the best.

[Speaker 5] (55:19 - 55:24)
reading our decision from last September,

[Speaker 5] (55:24 - 55:31)
which was, it was filed on September 30th with the town clerk,

[Speaker 5] (55:31 - 55:33)
so, you know, it's a couple weeks ago.

[Speaker 5] (55:34 - 55:34)
So,

[Speaker 5] (55:35 - 55:41)
our conditions for approval were there shall be fencing along the rear line of the property,

[Speaker 5] (55:41 - 55:44)
all landscaping shall be done with native species.

[Speaker 10] (55:45 - 55:52)
That's if the applicant and project shall comply with all town departments and other applicable boards and committees for any additional necessary.

[Speaker 10] (55:52 - 56:01)
So you said you went to the fire department and so forth and you got their okay to determine that the fire trucks have the adequate turning radius.

[Speaker 2] (56:01 - 56:02)
It was at the beginning.

[Speaker 5] (56:02 - 56:03)
It was at the And beginning.

[Speaker 10] (56:03 - 56:11)
that the Department of Health and ensure that the dumpster complies with any and all regulations. I guess that's for the construction purposes.

[Speaker 10] (56:12 - 56:22)
And then it says, if within 10 months of the date hereof, the applicant does not reasonably expect the project to be complete within 12 months, which as we know it's not.

[Speaker 10] (56:23 - 56:30)
of the date hereof or if the project is not actually complete within such 12-month period,

[Speaker 10] (56:30 - 56:48)
then the applicant shall prepare a development impact statement and provide any other information that may be required pursuant to Section 5625 of the zoning bylaw to be submitted to the board and subsequently reappearing before the board for administrative review.

[Speaker 10] (56:49 - 56:53)
So, you're calling this the administrative review,

[Speaker 10] (56:53 - 56:57)
but we don't have any kind of a development impact statement,

[Speaker 10] (56:57 - 56:57)
is that right?

[Speaker 2] (56:57 - 56:59)
No, that's not exactly correct.

[Speaker 2] (57:00 - 57:04)
The developmental impact statement was never required for the original,

[Speaker 2] (57:04 - 57:10)
but we provided you with all of the prerequisites to that, which would be the registered engineer,

[Speaker 2] (57:10 - 57:11)
the registered landscape architect.

[Speaker 2] (57:12 - 57:13)
All of that was done.

[Speaker 2] (57:15 - 57:18)
It was not done under the developmental impact statement criteria,

[Speaker 2] (57:18 - 57:20)
which is controlled by you,

[Speaker 2] (57:20 - 57:22)
which you have the sole discretion.

[Speaker 2] (57:22 - 57:36)
I didn't appeal the decision because I thought that that was in error because there was never a requirement that we provide more information or redo all of our technical specs again.

[Speaker 2] (57:37 - 57:38)
That was never it.

[Speaker 2] (57:38 - 57:39)
And as a matter of fact...

[Speaker 2] (57:39 - 57:46)
You know, I did reach out. I reached out to Mr. Dooley, who's, if he wishes to opine, I said it's here.

[Speaker 2] (57:46 - 57:48)
He said, you know, we need a narrative.

[Speaker 2] (57:49 - 57:53)
You explain to me what's going on, and you provide us with the before,

[Speaker 2] (57:54 - 58:00)
you provide us with, and tell us whatever technical changes that you have defined as minor,

[Speaker 2] (58:00 - 58:03)
so long as there's no material change, and Mr.

[Speaker 2] (58:03 - 58:07)
Dooley can correct me if he thinks my characterization of what he told me is incorrect,

[Speaker 2] (58:07 - 58:08)
and we did that.

[Speaker 2] (58:09 - 58:12)
There was never a requirement that we come back with a developmental impact statement.

[Speaker 2] (58:12 - 58:15)
If you ever read your own zoning, your own bylaw,

[Speaker 2] (58:15 - 58:21)
you'll realize that it's never was ever anticipated for a project that has already been designed and approved.

[Speaker 8] (58:24 - 58:28)
I think what Angela's point, though, is that if you had known about the...

[Speaker 8] (58:29 - 58:31)
way things were going you should have come to us

[Speaker 2] (58:31 - 58:31)
I

[Speaker 8] (58:31 - 58:47)
with that plan but but I'm going to just say you know personally I feel like we all want this project to like you know do well it's right on Humphrey Street you guys are clearly making progress you just need a little bit more time so I I personally wouldn't feel like we have to

[Speaker 8] (58:47 - 58:59)
hold them to that they've had some health issues and some other things that I think are forgivable but I think what Angela's point though is that there were things in the decision that said you know X Y and Z were going to be done and I don't know that those were done

[Speaker 2] (58:59 - 58:59)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (58:59 - 59:00)
Sorry,

[Speaker 2] (59:00 - 59:00)
two

[Speaker 5] (59:00 - 59:00)
can I things. just make,

[Speaker 2] (59:00 - 59:00)
I don't

[Speaker 5] (59:00 - 59:01)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (59:01 - 59:01)
care.

[Speaker 10] (59:01 - 59:03)
My point in bringing it up, Mr.

[Speaker 10] (59:03 - 59:08)
Goodson, was just to make sure that we just went back there so the whole board could say,

[Speaker 10] (59:08 - 59:08)
okay,

[Speaker 10] (59:08 - 59:11)
this is what we said, but here's where we're at.

[Speaker 10] (59:11 - 59:15)
So I thought it was important to bring that up because I think you said.

[Speaker 10] (59:15 - 59:16)
sides we would

[Speaker 8] (59:16 - 59:16)
Angela,

[Speaker 10] (59:16 - 59:16)
go in.

[Speaker 8] (59:16 - 59:18)
could you tell us what exactly that,

[Speaker 8] (59:18 - 59:25)
because I don't, I don't have any internet and I don't have the decision in front of me. What exactly is the extension that we're, like, what are we saying,

[Speaker 8] (59:25 - 59:28)
what's the phrasing that we're using to

[Speaker 10] (59:28 - 59:28)
Well, the

[Speaker 8] (59:28 - 59:28)
for

[Speaker 10] (59:28 - 59:28)
phrase

[Speaker 8] (59:28 - 59:28)
the extension?

[Speaker 10] (59:28 - 59:29)
that was used here,

[Speaker 10] (59:30 - 59:34)
it said if within 10 months of the date hereof, which was September 30th,

[Speaker 2] (59:34 - 59:34)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:35)
of 2024,

[Speaker 2] (59:35 - 59:35)
-huh.

[Speaker 1] (59:35 - 59:58)
the applicant does not reasonably expect the project to be complete within 12 months of the date hereof, or if the project is not actually complete within such 12 months, then the applicant shall prepare a demolition, excuse me, development impact statement and provide any other information that may be required pursuant to section 5625.

[Speaker 1] (59:58 - 1:00:05)
of the zoning bylaw to be submitted to the board and subsequently reappear before the board for an administrative review.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:06 - 1:00:16)
So I think what we can do here, if the other members, you know, agree is as we go through this discussion,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:16 - 1:00:19)
make sure that whatever we decide tonight,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:20 - 1:00:23)
we reference back to this so that

[Speaker 1] (1:00:24 - 1:00:27)
You know, we just have, so that everything's nice and clean,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:27 - 1:00:27)
you

[Speaker 3] (1:00:27 - 1:00:28)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:28 - 1:00:31)
know, at this point we understand what the delays have been.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:31 - 1:00:32)
We get it.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:32 - 1:00:34)
So what if we just extend,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:34 - 1:00:37)
what if we took that 10 month period of time and extended that?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:37 - 1:00:51)
14 months and that's essentially a year from today and if you're not done within a year from today then I think we would really expect you to come back with you know a much heavier you know application.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:51 - 1:00:53)
I have three comments to make.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:53 - 1:00:57)
First was I met with Marissa on time.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:57 - 1:00:59)
I said this is what it says.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:00 - 1:01:01)
I'd want to be on your agenda. Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:02 - 1:01:04)
you can't be. You just, we have too many things.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:04 - 1:01:08)
Don't worry, you know, you have, you came here, you asked for the time.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:08 - 1:01:10)
I said, she said, I can't get you on the agenda.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:10 - 1:01:11)
Maybe October.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:12 - 1:01:22)
If I'm, you know, I said okay, so long as you're okay. I just w I was there, I physically presented myself on time. The fact I'm here today is because you couldn't put us on your schedule on

[Speaker 3] (1:01:22 - 1:01:27)
And can I would I would say to September thirtieth, this is the next meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:27 - 1:01:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:27 - 1:01:30)
You know so that's that's just I I I

[Speaker 4] (1:01:30 - 1:01:30)
I d I mean I

[Speaker 3] (1:01:30 - 1:01:30)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:01:30 - 1:01:31)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:01:31 - 1:01:31)
do agree

[Speaker 4] (1:01:31 - 1:01:31)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:01:31 - 1:01:32)
on that. I I

[Speaker 4] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
t the

[Speaker 3] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
other

[Speaker 3] (1:01:32 - 1:01:33)
am I want

[Speaker 4] (1:01:33 - 1:01:33)
the other part

[Speaker 3] (1:01:33 - 1:01:33)
to.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:33 - 1:01:35)
was the other part was this.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:36 - 1:01:38)
We never heard that you were going to require,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:39 - 1:01:40)
it was in that decision.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:40 - 1:01:41)
I didn't write the decision.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:41 - 1:01:46)
Generally, I'm called upon to draft decisions for the boards that I appear.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:46 - 1:01:49)
In this board, Marissa wrote that decision.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:49 - 1:01:51)
I didn't take exception and say,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:51 - 1:01:53)
because what happens is I also asked,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:53 - 1:01:56)
and this is a wonderful opportunity to voice my thoughts,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:56 - 1:01:57)
I hope it is anyway.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:58 - 1:02:07)
I asked an opportunity to review the decision before it got filed. I said, can I look at it to make sure that I agree my memory and your memory are the same.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:07 - 1:02:09)
She said, I got to get permission.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:09 - 1:02:10)
It ended up getting filed.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:10 - 1:02:12)
I saw that DIS in there.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:12 - 1:02:17)
There was never an agreement that we had to come back and provide a full DIS.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:17 - 1:02:22)
I then read the bylaw. It said any requirements is at the sole discretion.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:23 - 1:02:33)
of the board. So theoretically, I would be asking this board to opine that those requirements as detailed in five to whatever those numbers are,

[Speaker 4] (1:02:33 - 1:02:35)
be waived.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:35 - 1:02:41)
So we don't have to come back with full set of engineered plans for another landscaping plan.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:41 - 1:02:46)
I mean, we're now talking tens of thousands of more dollars of soft costs that were never anticipated.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:47 - 1:03:01)
What you anticipated was my request to come back before you to ask you to phase this project so they could get their financing and we wouldn't have to tear down this building to put filings in order to meet FEMA requirements.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:02 - 1:03:03)
I told you that at the beginning.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:03 - 1:03:05)
This was nothing that was, you know, a slight of hand.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:06 - 1:03:14)
This was all presented to the board because I didn't want them to go and spend a nickel until I knew that everything we were doing was going to pass muster.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:15 - 1:03:17)
And we have done everything we possibly can.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:17 - 1:03:19)
I think you should be proud of this building.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:19 - 1:03:21)
I don't know if they're going to make any money,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:21 - 1:03:25)
but this is a project that's something that's meaningful to them.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:25 - 1:03:26)
These are two individuals.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:27 - 1:03:28)
This is not a construction firm.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:28 - 1:03:30)
This is Mr.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30)
and Mrs.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:30 - 1:03:32)
Blickberg who are trying their very best.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:32 - 1:03:37)
And at every opportunity we would go and speak to the building inspector who, by the way, has changed.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:37 - 1:03:39)
Our town planner has changed.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:40 - 1:03:42)
But we've been forthright.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:42 - 1:03:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:42 - 1:03:44)
And I don't know if Ms.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:44 - 1:03:46)
Polito is suggesting anything to the contrary.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:46 - 1:03:47)
I'm not suggesting she is.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:47 - 1:03:52)
But we have been on board with trying to be as open as we possibly can.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:53 - 1:03:55)
When we learned about the issue...

[Speaker 4] (1:03:55 - 1:03:57)
From the building inspector about the height of the porch,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:57 - 1:03:59)
they were on it immediately.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:59 - 1:04:03)
They worked something out that was going to make building code requirements,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:03 - 1:04:08)
but obviously it was going to be different from what the planning board did on site plan review.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:08 - 1:04:10)
I'm not challenging that.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:10 - 1:04:12)
I'm just trying to explain that

[Speaker 3] (1:04:12 - 1:04:13)
Yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:04:13 - 1:04:17)
these are hardworking people that have tried to do their very best.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:18 - 1:04:31)
I don't want to speak for Angela, but I think Angela's point is actually just going through and stating what was here. We do have a change in staff and everything else. I don't think there's an accusation coming out of it. And correct me if I'm wrong.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:31 - 1:04:32)
Well, no, you're right, Chair.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:32 - 1:04:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:33 - 1:04:33)
I mean,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:33 - 1:04:34)
this was just

[Speaker 1] (1:04:34 - 1:04:34)
it

[Speaker 3] (1:04:34 - 1:04:34)
to...

[Speaker 1] (1:04:34 - 1:04:37)
was important that we start from where we left off.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:37 - 1:04:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:38 - 1:04:38)
That's

[Speaker 3] (1:04:38 - 1:04:38)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:04:38 - 1:04:38)
all.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:38 - 1:04:39)
I would...

[Speaker 1] (1:04:39 - 1:04:41)
We're just trying to...

[Speaker 1] (1:04:41 - 1:04:41)
on an

[Speaker 4] (1:04:41 - 1:04:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:42 - 1:04:43)
extension here.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:43 - 1:04:45)
And I would personally say the DIS,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:45 - 1:04:47)
there's no reason to do it,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:47 - 1:04:49)
and I don't think we're suggesting that that be

[Speaker 4] (1:04:49 - 1:04:50)
You know,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:50 - 1:04:50)
taken

[Speaker 4] (1:04:50 - 1:04:50)
the irony

[Speaker 3] (1:04:50 - 1:04:50)
off the table.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:50 - 1:04:58)
is I've not seen DISs done on any project to the degree to which a DIS is identified in your bylaw.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:58 - 1:05:06)
It is such an onerous responsibility that it would probably preclude 90% of the projects ever done that required site plan.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:07 - 1:05:09)
But it got somehow got involved,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:10 - 1:05:17)
you know, when I used the phasing which came from that D.I.S. section, the whole section got incorporated in the decision, which was never the intent.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:17 - 1:05:18)
Yep. Well, that's uh

[Speaker 1] (1:05:18 - 1:05:19)
Well, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:05:19 - 1:05:25)
you know, we can always go back and look at the tape. And in any event, if that isn't so important right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:25 - 1:05:42)
What's important right now is that I felt it was meaningful for the board and for all of us to look at exactly how we left it when we made a decision so that we have, we can actually connect what we're doing tonight with what we're going to vote on tonight so that

[Speaker 3] (1:05:42 - 1:05:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:42 - 1:05:43)
it makes sense.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:43 - 1:05:44)
And so what do we feel about

[Speaker 5] (1:05:44 - 1:05:45)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:05:45 - 1:05:45)
changing

[Speaker 5] (1:05:45 - 1:05:45)
Joe,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:45 - 1:05:45)
the

[Speaker 5] (1:05:45 - 1:05:45)
I thought your,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:45 - 1:05:45)
name?

[Speaker 5] (1:05:45 - 1:05:51)
I thought Joe's suggestion of, based on the fact that we're at the 10 months.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:52 - 1:05:59)
As of September 30th, that the fourteen month extension makes sense um from

[Speaker 4] (1:05:59 - 1:06:00)
If they

[Speaker 5] (1:06:00 - 1:06:00)
a could sustainability

[Speaker 4] (1:06:00 - 1:06:01)
do it any sooner.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:01 - 1:06:02)
It's not it's

[Speaker 5] (1:06:02 - 1:06:05)
I don't think they'll be penalized if they do it sooner.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:05 - 1:06:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:05 - 1:06:06)
No, no to the contrary.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:06 - 1:06:10)
But to not have to not have to pause and come back for approval,

[Speaker 4] (1:06:10 - 1:06:10)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (1:06:10 - 1:06:11)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:06:11 - 1:06:11)
just

[Speaker 5] (1:06:11 - 1:06:11)
think.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:11 - 1:06:15)
trying I'm just trying to be as conservative by asking for more than I'm going to actually

[Speaker 5] (1:06:15 - 1:06:16)
But I

[Speaker 4] (1:06:16 - 1:06:16)
need.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:16 - 1:06:25)
think I think being conservative in this way would actually get the project done sooner than if they ran out of time, it had to be paused,

[Speaker 5] (1:06:25 - 1:06:28)
they had to come back, and if the point is getting it done.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:28 - 1:06:34)
I do think the 14 months does not allow it to go on for two years.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:35 - 1:06:37)
It lets it go on for a second year.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:37 - 1:06:39)
They'll go bankrupt if it was on.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:39 - 1:06:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:39 - 1:06:40)
my career chairman

[Speaker 5] (1:06:40 - 1:06:40)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:06:40 - 1:06:41)
my

[Speaker 5] (1:06:41 - 1:06:44)
just to make sure we're on the same page, what we're saying

[Speaker 1] (1:06:44 - 1:06:44)
page

[Speaker 5] (1:06:44 - 1:06:50)
is that we're going to amend the decision to change 10 months to 14 months in that one line.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:50 - 1:06:55)
I'd also ask you to amend the decision regarding the onerous DIS

[Speaker 1] (1:06:57 - 1:06:57)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:06:57 - 1:06:57)
condition

[Speaker 1] (1:06:57 - 1:06:57)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:06:57 - 1:07:10)
that was never intended and I mean you're sort of pretending it doesn't exist but it got in there and I don't want to run into a situation which says technically you have not comported with the requirements as

[Speaker 5] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
mr Pulido has

[Speaker 5] (1:07:10 - 1:07:14)
believe that was administrative and not by the board.

[Speaker 5] (1:07:14 - 1:07:15)
Is that correct,

[Speaker 5] (1:07:15 - 1:07:16)
Angela and Joe?

[Speaker 1] (1:07:16 - 1:07:18)
don't know off the top of

[Speaker 3] (1:07:18 - 1:07:18)
Yeah, I don't remember.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:18 - 1:07:18)
my head.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:18 - 1:07:19)
I don't have any

[Speaker 5] (1:07:19 - 1:07:19)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (1:07:19 - 1:07:19)
information

[Speaker 5] (1:07:19 - 1:07:21)
have any recollection of a conversation in

[Speaker 4] (1:07:21 - 1:07:21)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:07:21 - 1:07:23)
here about about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:23 - 1:07:25)
I see that we have to go back.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:25 - 1:07:27)
to the tape and

[Speaker 3] (1:07:27 - 1:07:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:27 - 1:07:35)
that's the only way to know for sure at this point I think that that's not what we're dealing with here we're dealing with a timing issue

[Speaker 4] (1:07:35 - 1:07:36)
you So if

[Speaker 1] (1:07:36 - 1:07:36)
go back you

[Speaker 4] (1:07:36 - 1:07:36)
that's

[Speaker 1] (1:07:36 - 1:07:37)
got

[Speaker 4] (1:07:37 - 1:07:39)
the case, you know, even,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:39 - 1:07:42)
I have no memory of it, but it doesn't really matter.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:42 - 1:07:53)
It doesn't even matter what it what it said and what happened. What matters is this is an unappeal decision, which is the state of the responsibility that we are have to follow.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:53 - 1:07:54)
I mean,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:54 - 1:07:58)
every wrong decision that goes unappealed, it becomes a right decision.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:58 - 1:08:00)
So this is what we're worried with.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:00 - 1:08:06)
So I need this decision to to be amended as part of our administrative hearing process.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:07 - 1:08:13)
They'll obviate the responsibility to do something that nobody requires us to do nor does anyone suggest we do.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:14 - 1:08:17)
To be honest, I didn't know that that was going to be a part of this meeting,

[Speaker 5] (1:08:17 - 1:08:18)
you know, so

[Speaker 4] (1:08:18 - 1:08:19)
You know, it wasn't

[Speaker 5] (1:08:19 - 1:08:28)
it wasn't until until I my written agenda or radar to take it out, and I haven't, to be honest, spent a lot of time thinking about the implications of removing the D.I.S.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:28 - 1:08:30)
Well you can waive it, you can waive the provision,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:30 - 1:08:34)
you right now have the authority to waive any provisions of the D.I.S.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:35 - 1:08:35)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (1:08:35 - 1:08:35)
What was that?

[Speaker 1] (1:08:35 - 1:08:36)
willing to do

[Speaker 4] (1:08:38 - 1:08:39)
Well, let me

[Speaker 3] (1:08:39 - 1:08:39)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:08:39 - 1:08:39)
ask you this,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:39 - 1:08:39)
think,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:39 - 1:08:40)
Mr.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:40 - 1:08:40)
I think, I,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:40 - 1:08:40)
Rico.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:40 - 1:08:45)
I, look, I, I, I'm just gonna say, I think we're, I think we're generally agreed on the, the extension.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:46 - 1:08:46)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:46 - 1:08:46)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:08:46 - 1:08:47)
I think

[Speaker 3] (1:08:47 - 1:08:47)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:47 - 1:08:49)
the last way you phrased it confused me a little bit.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:49 - 1:08:50)
Okay, sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:50 - 1:08:52)
So let's just run through it one more time and I apologize.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:52 - 1:08:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:52 - 1:08:55)
So there are things that are creeping into the conversation.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:55 - 1:08:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:56 - 1:08:58)
We're here just for the time extension,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:58 - 1:08:58)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:58 - 1:08:58)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:08:58 - 1:08:58)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:58 - 1:08:59)
Everybody

[Speaker 7] (1:08:59 - 1:08:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:59 - 1:09:00)
on the same page there?

[Speaker 1] (1:09:00 - 1:09:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:00 - 1:09:03)
You're here for an administrative review on the phasing.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:04 - 1:09:04)
Because

[Speaker 4] (1:09:04 - 1:09:04)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:09:04 - 1:09:04)
it was...

[Speaker 4] (1:09:04 - 1:09:05)
where we,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:05 - 1:09:05)
I specifically

[Speaker 6] (1:09:05 - 1:09:06)
Because you did the

[Speaker 4] (1:09:06 - 1:09:07)
said we have to come...

[Speaker 4] (1:09:07 - 1:09:09)
We have to come back so we can complete the

[Speaker 1] (1:09:09 - 1:09:10)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:10 - 1:09:10)
first phase,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:11 - 1:09:11)
get

[Speaker 3] (1:09:11 - 1:09:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:11 - 1:09:16)
the building permit approved so we can then apply for the second building permit.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:16 - 1:09:19)
And that's why this whole process

[Speaker 5] (1:09:19 - 1:09:20)
Yeah, sure,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:20 - 1:09:20)
begins.

[Speaker 5] (1:09:20 - 1:09:22)
but there's this explanation of delay, and look,

[Speaker 5] (1:09:22 - 1:09:25)
I think we're totally sympathetic to the reason for the delay.

[Speaker 5] (1:09:26 - 1:09:27)
Everybody wants the project to get done.

[Speaker 5] (1:09:27 - 1:09:29)
This doesn't mention anything about the DIS.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:36 - 1:09:37)
No, I I I feel And I

[Speaker 3] (1:09:37 - 1:09:38)
and I I do

[Speaker 2] (1:09:38 - 1:09:38)
had

[Speaker 3] (1:09:38 - 1:09:50)
also think we should have the the town staff review how this made its way in, which would be a review of our meeting. If it is not showing up in the meeting notes,

[Speaker 3] (1:09:51 - 1:09:55)
My sense of this was it was an administrative action and

[Speaker 2] (1:09:55 - 1:09:56)
That was my understanding.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
and

[Speaker 2] (1:09:56 - 1:09:57)
saw

[Speaker 3] (1:09:57 - 1:09:57)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:09:57 - 1:09:57)
it

[Speaker 3] (1:09:57 - 1:10:09)
think what we we should continue as a conversation is right now if that's if that's something that is in there and it's it's something that's being done administratively we have to see where it sits in the bylaws.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:10 - 1:10:10)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:10:10 - 1:10:12)
I'm I'm sorry, Juror, I didn't catch that last part.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:12 - 1:10:24)
it seems like if if this has happened, it was either an interpretation of the bylaws or it's in the bylaws and if it's something that needs to be reviewed, we should be reviewing it and get it out of the bylaws

[Speaker 2] (1:10:24 - 1:10:24)
You know, it

[Speaker 3] (1:10:24 - 1:10:25)
as

[Speaker 2] (1:10:25 - 1:10:25)
belongs

[Speaker 3] (1:10:25 - 1:10:25)
an owner.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:25 - 1:10:26)
it it gives you authority,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:26 - 1:10:28)
which you which you need.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:28 - 1:10:33)
The question the question is that the intent of this process was not to

[Speaker 2] (1:10:35 - 1:10:37)
do a new project a year from now was

[Speaker 1] (1:10:37 - 1:10:37)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:37 - 1:10:40)
the same project that needed to be phased.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:40 - 1:10:57)
A DIS is a very comprehensive process requiring all registered individuals in the detail in those sections is and I saw that but at that point I didn't see it till a decision had already been filed in the 20 days had elapsed

[Speaker 1] (1:10:57 - 1:10:57)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:57 - 1:10:57)
but

[Speaker 1] (1:10:57 - 1:10:59)
But I think what we're saying is that we don't.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:59 - 1:11:01)
Remember everything that went on at the meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:01 - 1:11:13)
We'd have to go back and look at the tapes to see it. And I think we're all over I think we all appreciate the fact that it could be pretty onerous and if it's something that just slipped in there It's not our intent to to keep it in there But we need to check and see how it

[Speaker 4] (1:11:13 - 1:11:15)
how that even ties into what we do it was guys it was

[Speaker 2] (1:11:15 - 1:11:16)
wasn't that's

[Speaker 4] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
what state

[Speaker 2] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
that was

[Speaker 4] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
that

[Speaker 2] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
that

[Speaker 2] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
whole

[Speaker 4] (1:11:16 - 1:11:17)
let's

[Speaker 2] (1:11:17 - 1:11:17)
point

[Speaker 4] (1:11:17 - 1:11:21)
get the timing figured out right because that's what we're here for the time we'll figure out the the

[Speaker 1] (1:11:21 - 1:11:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:21 - 1:11:23)
other thing so

[Speaker 2] (1:11:23 - 1:11:28)
I was gonna let the issue go by but but since this is a leader made it part of the record

[Speaker 2] (1:11:29 - 1:11:30)
It had to be addressed.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:30 - 1:11:30)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:11:30 - 1:11:30)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:30 - 1:11:31)
couldn't even

[Speaker 1] (1:11:31 - 1:11:31)
Yeah, that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:31 - 1:11:31)
just...

[Speaker 1] (1:11:31 - 1:11:33)
I think we've addressed it now.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:33 - 1:11:35)
I think what you're hearing is that the board,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:35 - 1:11:42)
just being for myself, I think what you're hearing is that the board's generally open to revisiting this if this is something that got in there by an error or something like that.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:42 - 1:11:48)
But we are not in a position right now to talk about it and we want to extend the project.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:48 - 1:11:49)
So, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:49 - 1:11:52)
I just don't want to leave any stone unturned. I

[Speaker 1] (1:11:52 - 1:11:52)
I appreciate

[Speaker 2] (1:11:52 - 1:11:52)
don't want

[Speaker 1] (1:11:52 - 1:11:52)
it.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:52 - 1:11:57)
to start spending tens of thousands of dollars to then be told that,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:57 - 1:11:57)
oh, by the way,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:58 - 1:11:58)
I think...

[Speaker 2] (1:11:57 - 1:11:59)
I think we're still going to require a D-I-S.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:59 - 1:12:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:00 - 1:12:04)
I need some assurance. It can be a straw vote. It can be a sense of the board.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
So,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:04 - 1:12:05)
It doesn't

[Speaker 1] (1:12:05 - 1:12:05)
Bill,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:05 - 1:12:05)
even require

[Speaker 1] (1:12:05 - 1:12:10)
I guess to go to your question about the timing, uh what I was saying is that the ten months

[Speaker 5] (1:12:10 - 1:12:12)
Is that because that's for me, I mean?

[Speaker 1] (1:12:12 - 1:12:13)
the the but

[Speaker 4] (1:12:13 - 1:12:15)
I've seen the right time to raise your talking point.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:15 - 1:12:16)
yeah, by by

[Speaker 1] (1:12:17 - 1:12:19)
Ten months. So I guess by July 31st

[Speaker 4] (1:12:19 - 1:12:22)
Well, September 2004 was when he

[Speaker 1] (1:12:22 - 1:12:23)
Was the ten-month mark. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:23 - 1:12:23)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:12:23 - 1:12:29)
Well then it was 20 days from that date because that was I needed the appeal period ran.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:29 - 1:12:30)
It's the date of the decision.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:30 - 1:12:32)
July, July was the ten-month mark.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:32 - 1:12:35)
So ten months mark previous to July.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:35 - 1:12:41)
Was July. So what I was saying was that we would amend the decision by just changing that ten month to

[Speaker 1] (1:12:43 - 1:12:45)
You know, if we wanna give them a year, then we would say fourteen

[Speaker 4] (1:12:45 - 1:12:45)
But it didn't

[Speaker 1] (1:12:45 - 1:12:45)
months.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:45 - 1:12:46)
be more than that.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:46 - 1:12:49)
Or if we wanted to give them fourteen months, we would say sixteen months.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:49 - 1:12:51)
They had they had a year. So they said they had it notified by by

[Speaker 1] (1:12:51 - 1:12:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:52 - 1:12:56)
you. Yes, and they had it if they were going to finish it they had to come in and

[Speaker 1] (1:12:56 - 1:12:59)
Right. If they didn't think that they were gonna complete um

[Speaker 4] (1:12:59 - 1:13:06)
So now now this ten months if we change that to fourteen that doesn't bring us enough time for them to finish.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:07 - 1:13:08)
No, it doesn't.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:08 - 1:13:08)
Well if they need

[Speaker 4] (1:13:08 - 1:13:11)
So we need an additional fourteen months from today.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:12 - 1:13:13)
To end of project

[Speaker 1] (1:13:13 - 1:13:14)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (1:13:14 - 1:13:14)
or

[Speaker 1] (1:13:14 - 1:13:16)
so, so right. Yeah, so

[Speaker 4] (1:13:16 - 1:13:16)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:13:16 - 1:13:17)
um

[Speaker 4] (1:13:20 - 1:13:22)
today is what's September

[Speaker 1] (1:13:22 - 1:13:23)
20th

[Speaker 4] (1:13:23 - 1:13:23)
24th

[Speaker 1] (1:13:23 - 1:13:23)
or awesome

[Speaker 4] (1:13:23 - 1:13:24)
October?

[Speaker 1] (1:13:24 - 1:13:24)
today.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:24 - 1:13:30)
September 25 maybe 10 14, can you 12 to a 14?

[Speaker 4] (1:13:31 - 1:13:34)
So 14 months from then which is what?

[Speaker 1] (1:13:34 - 1:13:35)
16 months.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:36 - 1:13:36)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:13:36 - 1:13:36)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:36 - 1:13:38)
I mean, being a member of 20s.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:38 - 1:13:47)
We we're just we're just changing the ten we're just adding on to the ten whatever time they need. So whatever I mean I think that's the easiest way to do it. We could we could also just say right now we're gonna give them until

[Speaker 2] (1:13:47 - 1:13:47)
It was

[Speaker 1] (1:13:47 - 1:13:47)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:13:47 - 1:13:47)
we

[Speaker 1] (1:13:47 - 1:13:48)
just

[Speaker 2] (1:13:48 - 1:13:48)
have till you January,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:48 - 1:13:48)
know

[Speaker 2] (1:13:48 - 1:13:49)
the January

[Speaker 6] (1:13:49 - 1:13:49)
It was

[Speaker 2] (1:13:49 - 1:13:49)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:13:49 - 1:13:49)
twenty

[Speaker 2] (1:13:49 - 1:13:49)
first.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:49 - 1:13:50)
before then.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:50 - 1:13:52)
January the first.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
January first

[Speaker 1] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:52 - 1:13:53)
twenty twenty seven.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:53 - 1:13:53)
Twenty.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:53 - 1:13:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:54 - 1:13:55)
Oh I'm sorry, this is January.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:55 - 1:13:56)
So that sounds like a date.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:56 - 1:13:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:57 - 1:13:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:57 - 1:14:01)
So we're gonna replace ten months with January first twenty twenty seven.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:01 - 1:14:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:05 - 1:14:07)
That's 14 months from now,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:07 - 1:14:08)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:08 - 1:14:08)
correct?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:09 - 1:14:12)
Angela, is there a section in the decision that's

[Speaker 4] (1:14:12 - 1:14:15)
If you want to just do a reference. little change, you change this 10 to 20%.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:15 - 1:14:15)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:15 - 1:14:18)
We're just going to change 10 months to January 1st, 2027.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:18 - 1:14:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:19 - 1:14:23)
Is there a section of the decision that I can reference?

[Speaker 5] (1:14:24 - 1:14:29)
It's under conditions for approval and it's number four.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:30 - 1:14:31)
That's correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:32 - 1:14:33)
Does someone want to make a motion?

[Speaker 3] (1:14:34 - 1:14:43)
Um I would make a motion to extend the um the decision to January first twenty twenty seven.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:43 - 1:14:58)
Could I could I ask just one question before the vote is taken? And the question the question is what would be the process for amending the decision? Does it require that that there could be an administrative without our presence to correct that?

[Speaker 2] (1:14:59 - 1:15:02)
I mean, otherwise we gotta come back to just clean up

[Speaker 2] (1:15:03 - 1:15:04)
decision.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:04 - 1:15:06)
Only if you don't complete the project by

[Speaker 3] (1:15:06 - 1:15:06)
By January

[Speaker 1] (1:15:06 - 1:15:07)
2027.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:07 - 1:15:07)
1st, 2027.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:07 - 1:15:22)
Okay, if that's the case, we'll, I 'cause I don't anticipate that the building commissioner is gonna be controlled by that portion of the provision of the conditions which talks about a DIS. Um he won't.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:23 - 1:15:24)
He's looking at it very differently.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:25 - 1:15:25)
Your board,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:25 - 1:15:36)
though, has brought this issue up, and I think, I just think it needs resolution because you're suggesting technically that we're in violation of the condition that allows us to ask for the extension,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:36 - 1:15:41)
and yet you're granting the extension. So inferentially, by granting the extension,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:42 - 1:15:44)
you are amending the decision.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:46 - 1:15:47)
We are amending the decision.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:47 - 1:15:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:49 - 1:15:51)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:51 - 1:15:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:52 - 1:15:54)
I mean, the amendment is the extension.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:54 - 1:15:55)
Right. Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:55 - 1:16:01)
Right. And that's the part that we are prepared to change tonight.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:01 - 1:16:02)
That's what we're looking at.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:03 - 1:16:03)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:06 - 1:16:07)
So moved? Do you need

[Speaker 1] (1:16:07 - 1:16:07)
Sorry,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:07 - 1:16:08)
me to say?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:08 - 1:16:08)
could you just say it?

[Speaker 3] (1:16:08 - 1:16:09)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:09 - 1:16:14)
so this is amending the period.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:17 - 1:16:22)
To end on January 1st, 2027 for both phases.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:23 - 1:16:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:23 - 1:16:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:24 - 1:16:26)
Amending the period under condition number

[Speaker 3] (1:16:26 - 1:16:26)
Number four.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:29 - 1:16:29)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:30 - 1:16:32)
Okay. All in favor?

[Speaker 4] (1:16:32 - 1:16:33)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33)
Uh,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33)
you have

[Speaker 4] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:33 - 1:16:34)
to do roll call.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:34 - 1:16:34)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:34 - 1:16:36)
Oh, do we? Oh, cause Angela's not here?

[Speaker 3] (1:16:36 - 1:16:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:36 - 1:16:37)
Okay. Uh, can we do a roll call?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:38 - 1:16:39)
Angela?

[Speaker 5] (1:16:40 - 1:16:41)
Angela Ibolito,

[Speaker 5] (1:16:41 - 1:16:41)
aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
Sure?

[Speaker 3] (1:16:43 - 1:16:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:43 - 1:16:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:44 - 1:16:44)
Bill?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:45 - 1:16:50)
Joe Sheridan is here. Okay. Um all those in favour?

[Speaker 4] (1:16:51 - 1:16:51)
Hi.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:51 - 1:16:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:52 - 1:16:53)
Hi Angela votes

[Speaker 5] (1:16:53 - 1:16:53)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:53 - 1:16:56)
aye. I think when we did it we okay. Does that count? Okay. Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:16:56 - 1:16:57)
Yeah, yeah it was a roll call.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:57 - 1:16:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:58 - 1:16:59)
It's just a roll call. Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:01 - 1:17:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:02 - 1:17:03)
Alright. Okay. Thank Okay you.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:03 - 1:17:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:03 - 1:17:04)
We close it with that.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:04 - 1:17:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:05 - 1:17:06)
Excellent. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:07 - 1:17:08)
I'll take you outside.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:21 - 1:17:22)
Good night now.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:23 - 1:17:26)
Thanks Joe for filling in.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:26 - 1:17:27)
My pleasure.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:28 - 1:17:29)
This all looks fine.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:30 - 1:17:31)
I was happy to spectate.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:33 - 1:17:34)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:34 - 1:17:37)
I hope I didn't mischaracterize any of our conversation.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:37 - 1:17:37)
All good.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:38 - 1:17:46)
All right, next we have Dalimar Swampscott Hotel. Just for context, I'm going to give some background why we're seeing this today,

[Speaker 3] (1:17:46 - 1:17:47)
and then I'll hand it over to...

[Speaker 3] (1:17:49 - 1:18:00)
Chris speaking on behalf of the Office of Community Development and then Dixon Mallory who I believe is with Clearview Investments and Hospitality Group to speak on behalf of the proponent here.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:01 - 1:18:16)
Traditionally we would see this for a site plan at some point in the future and at some point we will see this as part of a site plan application in the future. We're seeing this now because as part of the select board's land development agreement with Clearview

[Speaker 3] (1:18:17 - 1:18:24)
Um they have to provide input on schematic design for the hotel. And that's part of their ground lease L_D_A_

[Speaker 9] (1:18:25 - 1:18:34)
They have asked us for comment, and this is our chance to provide comment to the select board as part of their review as for their LDA. So that's why we're here today,

[Speaker 9] (1:18:34 - 1:18:45)
that's what we're gonna hear from uh the applicants here and um at the end of this we'll be compiling the comments that we have and provide tonight to be sent to the select board in writing for their consideration.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:46 - 1:18:53)
Um I believe they're gonna be reviewing this at their next meeting and uh advancing on their LDA at some point early November.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:54 - 1:18:57)
With that, Chris, I can hand it over to you or Dixon or whoever's like to speak.

[Speaker 10] (1:18:58 - 1:19:01)
Dixon, do you have anything prepared that you want to share?

[Speaker 11] (1:19:03 - 1:19:05)
Um, can you all hear me, first of all?

[Speaker 10] (1:19:05 - 1:19:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (1:19:06 - 1:19:08)
Great. Uh, nice to see you all.

[Speaker 11] (1:19:09 - 1:19:15)
Um, uh, Krista, I could just kind of go through the plans that I presented the other week. I mean, that's, you know,

[Speaker 10] (1:19:15 - 1:19:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:19:15 - 1:19:18)
as far as, you know, we have.

[Speaker 10] (1:19:18 - 1:19:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:19:18 - 1:19:20)
Um, I think that's probably the most appropriate thing to share.

[Speaker 10] (1:19:21 - 1:19:24)
Sounds great. Yeah, they all have copies printed.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:28 - 1:19:28)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:29 - 1:19:31)
So I'll just go ahead and share my screen if that works.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:31 - 1:19:32)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:36 - 1:19:47)
And then I will be writing down comments as you make them and decide what you want to send to the select board, and then we can go over them all and refine them. So

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:47)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:47 - 1:19:47)
we I have

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:47)
think

[Speaker 2] (1:19:47 - 1:19:47)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:48)
I think

[Speaker 2] (1:19:48 - 1:19:49)
list before the end.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:49 - 1:20:03)
in order to get everything accurately and I think you're gonna I want to make sure we're not putting you through like you know crazy work to collect all of our comments as we're going after we run through this when we hear the presentation kind of discuss this maybe we can walk through some of the comments you picked up.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:03 - 1:20:09)
uh before we leave tonight, and just make sure they're all aligned. Um so we're accurately getting them everything we need.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:09 - 1:20:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:09 - 1:20:12)
Yeah, and I can go through and the transcript will

[Speaker 1] (1:20:12 - 1:20:12)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:12 - 1:20:14)
catch anything um if

[Speaker 1] (1:20:14 - 1:20:14)
Awesome.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:14 - 1:20:15)
I don't catch it verbatim.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:16 - 1:20:19)
Alright Dixon, the Alright. floor is yours.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:19 - 1:20:31)
Well again thank you for having me. Um and I guess I will start by reviewing the plans that were submitted to the select board. Um forgetting on which date they were submitted but um

[Speaker 1] (1:20:31 - 1:20:41)
This presentation I'm going to go through has some preliminary renderings of our proposed renovation of the Hadley School and also some schematic floor plans that we have also submitted.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:42 - 1:20:48)
So I'll just start by going through the first few renderings that we have of the exterior.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:49 - 1:20:54)
As you can see here, this is a shot from a few years ago when school was still in session,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:54 - 1:20:58)
and this is hopefully something like we

[Speaker 1] (1:20:59 - 1:21:18)
think it'll look like in the future once it's renovated. As you can see, not a whole lot of change to the exterior. The biggest and most stark change is the installation of new windows which are more in line and period correct with the type of windows that were originally installed in the building when it was first built in 1911.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:19 - 1:21:22)
The other major addition you'll see here,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:22 - 1:21:25)
this kind of

[Speaker 1] (1:21:26 - 1:21:49)
Level rooftop element, that is actually an extension of the stairwell that runs, you know, there's the two stairwells that run up and on either end of the building. We do have a rooftop amenity deck in order to comply with fire code. We need two forms of egress, so this is an extension of that stairwell, and there is another stairwell over on the other side of the building here.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:50 - 1:21:51)
In between the manned building and the annex,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:51 - 1:21:52)
rather,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:52 - 1:22:06)
where we have our elevator shafts, two elevator shafts, and another stairwell. So, in terms of the facade, that's kind of really what we're proposing. There's a bit of an awning here. This will be the entrance to the restaurant,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:06 - 1:22:13)
the dedicated entrance to the restaurant. There will be access to the restaurant from the interior of the hotel as well, but this will be a dedicated entrance.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:14 - 1:22:16)
Dixon, may I ask a really quick question?

[Speaker 4] (1:22:16 - 1:22:27)
In the rendering, I am noticing that the stone detail around the windows sort of over that entrance is shown as being removed.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:27 - 1:22:33)
Is that something that is being altered or is that something that's just an oversight in

[Speaker 1] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:22:33 - 1:22:34)
think that was an oversight on the rendering.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:35 - 1:22:35)
We have no intention

[Speaker 4] (1:22:35 - 1:22:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:35 - 1:22:36)
of removing that.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:37 - 1:22:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:37 - 1:22:39)
because that's sort of prominent, so I'm glad to hear that.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:40 - 1:22:41)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:41 - 1:22:45)
And yet we actually went back and put these panels that say Hadley School,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:45 - 1:22:49)
those actually didn't make it into the rendering for the first time, so we went back and added them in,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:49 - 1:22:57)
again no intention to manipulate the exterior in any aesthetic way other than improving painting,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:57 - 1:23:00)
repointing where there has been some decay on the facade.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:01 - 1:23:02)
Great, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:06 - 1:23:09)
This is kind of just a straight away shot at the front of the building.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:10 - 1:23:17)
This monument sign that's not necessarily how it'll end up looking, that's just there for massing illustrative purposes.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:19 - 1:23:25)
As you can see, the facade really does not change here. Here you get a first glimpse of that elevator tower.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:25 - 1:23:33)
Again there'll be two elevators in this new new construction element as well as a stairwell on the backside.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:33 - 1:23:42)
of this new tower and that's really the only significant new construction that will be happening on the exterior of the building or at least it'll be visible from the outside of the building that's

[Speaker 4] (1:23:42 - 1:23:46)
And is that the second form of egress for the rooftop amenity space?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:47 - 1:23:57)
correct yep it's on the back side of this structure here is the stairwell and this and obviously this provides ADA access to both buildings right now neither of the annex or the main building has an elevator

[Speaker 1] (1:23:58 - 1:24:11)
Okay, so putting that point of connectivity right in between the two buildings makes sense and it also allows us to preserve more of the interiors of both buildings. So we will have to demolish the little connector that connects the main building and the annex.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:12 - 1:24:17)
But otherwise we're able to you know keep much more of the interior spaces in both buildings.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:21 - 1:24:25)
I thought this someone sent this to me this was just an original elevation from the

[Speaker 1] (1:24:26 - 1:24:41)
In the plans the school even before was called the Hadley School. Let's see, it was on these plans at the Reddington Elementary School in Swampscott, but you can see those windows there are much more in line with what we are proposing than what's, you know, currently there.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:43 - 1:24:49)
Will, what is the window itself? I'm looking at the type K Marvin.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:49 - 1:24:52)
Are the muntins in these windows fully expressed?

[Speaker 1] (1:24:55 - 1:25:00)
Uh, on the rendering? I don't think so. They're not probably fully accurate, but

[Speaker 4] (1:25:00 - 1:25:00)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:00 - 1:25:00)
uh

[Speaker 4] (1:25:00 - 1:25:10)
no, I'm sorry. In the windows themselves, are they um are they dividers inside the glass or will there actually be um the muntins

[Speaker 6] (1:25:11 - 1:25:12)
On top of the glass.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:12 - 1:25:12)
on top of the glass?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:15 - 1:25:22)
Uh, I would need to go back and check the specs of the windows. Uh, I can't answer that right now. I could have our architect look at it and get an answer for you.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:27 - 1:25:50)
So this is another shot of the, I guess, kind of with the view from the back to the water here. So this is again that entrance to the restaurant. This shows the outdoor dining element that we're proposing for the a la carte dining restaurant. You know, how far out this dining space extends kind of towards Rennington Street versus towards it in Scott Park is.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:50 - 1:25:56)
is to be determined. We might have to take away some of the outdoor dining here for a few more parking spaces.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:56 - 1:26:06)
But in any event, the best views while sitting out here in this proposed outdoor dining area are of course closer to the park and looking down to the water.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:06 - 1:26:09)
So that's not too much of an issue.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:10 - 1:26:13)
And again you see the extension of the stairwell up there.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:17 - 1:26:23)
Here's just a close-up of that new elevator and stair tower, and just for what it's worth,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:23 - 1:26:41)
the facade materials and the exact design on this new construction are not finalized by any stretch of the imagination. This is more just for massing to show the public, you all, kind of what the new construction is going to be from a size standpoint.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:43 - 1:26:49)
We just wanted to make it look pretty stark, you know, obviously black brick versus red, uh to make it look different for the moment.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:49 - 1:26:51)
Is this the main entrance to the hotel also?

[Speaker 1] (1:26:53 - 1:26:54)
No uh the main entrance

[Speaker 1] (1:26:55 - 1:26:56)
is uh

[Speaker 1] (1:26:58 - 1:27:00)
likely gonna be w this door here.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:00 - 1:27:07)
It'll be on other or, I mean this will lead up right into the lobby. Again this is an elevator tower, so if you're staying in, you know,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:07 - 1:27:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:07 - 1:27:10)
the the annex and you need to take the elevator up, you just enter through this door.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:11 - 1:27:14)
But the hotel lobby is going to be right here, and I'll show you that on the plans.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:14 - 1:27:15)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:27:15 - 1:27:15)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:27:15 - 1:27:15)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:27:15 - 1:27:15)
those

[Speaker 4] (1:27:15 - 1:27:15)
handicapped

[Speaker 1] (1:27:15 - 1:27:16)
windows correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:16 - 1:27:20)
access is actually through the tower.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:21 - 1:27:22)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:22 - 1:27:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:25 - 1:27:28)
Was the tower actually connected to the annex as well?

[Speaker 4] (1:27:28 - 1:27:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:29 - 1:27:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:30 - 1:27:33)
So from that last shot it looked like there was a gap there, I'm not sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:36 - 1:27:37)
Now there's a like

[Speaker 4] (1:27:37 - 1:27:37)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:37 - 1:27:37)
connected there.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:37 - 1:27:37)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:37 - 1:27:41)
The annex has a little uh kind of jut out on the first and second floor.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:42 - 1:27:44)
So, but you see the connection there.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:45 - 1:27:51)
The the annex and the um the main part of Hadley are on different floor planes.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:51 - 1:27:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:51 - 1:27:57)
So that's the bridging to allow um it's a I'm assuming it's a double-sided elevator, and then you have

[Speaker 1] (1:27:57 - 1:27:59)
Yeah, there's kind of there's a lot of co-con stops.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:59 - 1:28:01)
one side that aligns with the few steps down.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:02 - 1:28:09)
So, yeah, there are just be a number of little steps for the for the elevator 'cause they're not exactly aligned, as you said. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:28:11 - 1:28:16)
Uh this the backside of uh the new stair tower. You can see actually the stairs through those windows there.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:18 - 1:28:25)
Hmm. This element here, this is the bathrooms, um that'll service the rooftop amenity deck.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:27 - 1:28:37)
Um those they look kind of quite visible now, but keep in mind that there are all those trees that line the property line on Linscott Park in front of the hotel Sorry, the school

[Speaker 1] (1:28:37 - 1:28:44)
So those will really not be as prominent and visible as the seat as it appears right here

[Speaker 8] (1:28:45 - 1:28:49)
What is this staircase that I'm seeing at the bottom there going to a basement?

[Speaker 1] (1:28:49 - 1:28:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:49 - 1:28:50)
This? Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:50 - 1:28:57)
That will be, this is gonna be more for pick up and drop off for the restaurant, you know, employee entrance, back of house,

[Speaker 8] (1:28:57 - 1:28:58)
It's all service related.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:58 - 1:29:00)
all service related, all

[Speaker 4] (1:29:00 - 1:29:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:00 - 1:29:01)
back of house. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:06 - 1:29:07)
Okay, so here's the site plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:15 - 1:29:19)
As you can see here we have this all labeled as dining terrace.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:33)
A better area for it anyhow,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:33 - 1:29:54)
and that allows to get a few more parking spaces, because for the rest of the site, you know, it's not that big and we don't have a lot of opportunity for significant landscaping, 'cause a lot of it will have to be dedicated to parking, and the parking is is an issue in town. Um so in terms of what you know, happens on the rest of the property, again it's mostly parking.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:57 - 1:29:59)
Um your dumpster

[Speaker 2] (1:30:00 - 1:30:03)
Is back behind the elevator tower. Is that

[Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:03)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:03 - 1:30:03)
right in

[Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:04 - 1:30:05)
that? Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:05 - 1:30:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:05 - 1:30:14)
and and screened because that's that's one thing that would be a big improvement at Hadley because currently it's um it's quite a design element on in Scott Park.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:16 - 1:30:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:16 - 1:30:23)
no, there'll be, you know, of course, in line with native plantings that will screen and shield the parking lot to some degree.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:24 - 1:30:28)
We'll of course be consulting with the neighbors here and across the street to make sure it's all.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:32 - 1:30:33)
what the town wants.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:35 - 1:30:38)
Then of course we'll transfer inductors as much as possible.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:41 - 1:30:48)
So the path for the trucks to do drop-offs and trash pickup is through the first drive through the

[Speaker 1] (1:30:48 - 1:30:48)
Right

[Speaker 2] (1:30:48 - 1:30:48)
parking

[Speaker 1] (1:30:48 - 1:30:48)
here.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:48 - 1:30:48)
garage.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:49 - 1:30:52)
So they'll come enter through this proposed curb cut here and

[Speaker 1] (1:30:54 - 1:30:55)
go back this way.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:57 - 1:30:59)
Then back all the way out or is there room to turn around there?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:00 - 1:31:04)
There could there should be room to turn around. It could be turned in this way and then back down.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:14 - 1:31:17)
Isn't there a wall, a stone wall that

[Speaker 2] (1:31:17 - 1:31:18)
There is a stone wall.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:18 - 1:31:21)
past that though, because the building doesn't go up to the stone wall.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:21 - 1:31:21)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:22 - 1:31:24)
Yeah, it's kind of this line

[Speaker 3] (1:31:24 - 1:31:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:24 - 1:31:26)
is more or less the stone wall.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:26 - 1:31:28)
So there's actually more space than

[Speaker 3] (1:31:29 - 1:31:30)
Shown.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:32 - 1:31:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:33 - 1:31:34)
Say that again?

[Speaker 3] (1:31:35 - 1:31:41)
There's more space than shown because the stone wall is really like you could walk behind there.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:43 - 1:31:45)
Well on the other side of the stone wall.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:45 - 1:31:49)
I mean that's pretty much right up to the lot line the dumpster and and so forth, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:31:53 - 1:31:53)
I think the stone

[Speaker 3] (1:31:53 - 1:31:54)
So is

[Speaker 2] (1:31:54 - 1:31:54)
wall

[Speaker 3] (1:31:54 - 1:31:54)
this a

[Speaker 2] (1:31:54 - 1:31:55)
is just at the

[Speaker 3] (1:31:55 - 1:31:56)
so is the lot line

[Speaker 2] (1:31:56 - 1:31:56)
on

[Speaker 3] (1:31:56 - 1:31:56)
that

[Speaker 2] (1:31:56 - 1:31:56)
the inside.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:56 - 1:31:59)
dotted line or is the lot line the wall?

[Speaker 2] (1:32:00 - 1:32:01)
No, it's the wall.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:02 - 1:32:14)
The lot line more or less follows my mouse right here. I mean it's we're trying to maximize the amount of room that we have on the site and all those trees are on the park side of the wall.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:14 - 1:32:15)
It's a little bit small,

[Speaker 3] (1:32:15 - 1:32:19)
but what's that little protrusion in the middle of the wall across from the annex?

[Speaker 1] (1:32:21 - 1:32:37)
That was a proposed new light pole that can probably go in a little bit and that kind of um marks the end of the car parking. So beyond that little jut out, that's all for service. So for unloading and loading for service trucks.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:41 - 1:32:43)
Yes, that whole can move, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:32:44 - 1:32:46)
Yeah, so you see here there's parking spots here.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:47 - 1:32:52)
for guest cars and then beyond that it's just open area for service.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:54 - 1:33:12)
One thing that I would love to see if you could explore is the parking lot lighting because of the fact that its adjacency is all residential. If that could be low level instead of high level lighting in height.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:13 - 1:33:13)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:33:13 - 1:33:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:14 - 1:33:16)
that the surfaces are lit,

[Speaker 2] (1:33:16 - 1:33:27)
that the sky isn't lit and the space isn't lit and it's not going into the residences. I think that'll make a big impact on getting the neighbors around this on board.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:28 - 1:33:34)
And I also think it'll give the hotel the feeling that the neighborhood,

[Speaker 2] (1:33:35 - 1:33:36)
that it's part of the neighborhood.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:36 - 1:33:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:37 - 1:33:39)
we discussed this at length during.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:39 - 1:33:43)
actual lighting and having input from you know all the neighbors you

[Speaker 2] (1:33:43 - 1:33:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:43 - 1:33:53)
know enough light for there to be you know safe you know to light the ground for safety access and walking what have you but we have no interest in you know lighting up the sky

[Speaker 2] (1:33:53 - 1:34:00)
And I think you, I think your guess would benefit from having view over instead of view through a lit parking lot.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:01 - 1:34:06)
So I think it would be a very significant win on all parts.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:12 - 1:34:12)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (1:34:17 - 1:34:19)
are you finished or can w can I ask some

[Speaker 1] (1:34:19 - 1:34:19)
questions? Uh.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:19 - 1:34:20)
I don't wanna interrupt you if you're still

[Speaker 2] (1:34:20 - 1:34:21)
Well, hold

[Speaker 1] (1:34:21 - 1:34:23)
on. No, go ahead. I mean if it's on the site plan, go ahead.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:23 - 1:34:37)
While we're s while we're still on this page, just just to clarify. You see there's nine compact spots right in front of the uh the main entrance there. There's a handful of E_V_ spots. Can you just walk through like what the parking count is and what the how it's delineated?

[Speaker 1] (1:34:38 - 1:34:42)
Yeah, the total floor in canvas, I think sixty three spaces on this plan.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:42 - 1:34:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:45 - 1:34:51)
Um again, we might have to get a few more, could be more efficient on, you know, some of this layout, maybe.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:51 - 1:34:54)
Uh but again, the site is relatively tight.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:54 - 1:35:03)
Right. From your experience in your other properties, on a site like this, how would you have your employees and and those who who are employed there,

[Speaker 4] (1:35:03 - 1:35:04)
park.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:04 - 1:35:12)
Is that parking for them on site and I guess there in addition to that and valet elsewhere. How does from an operational perspective how do you look at this?

[Speaker 1] (1:35:12 - 1:35:14)
We have valet parking at every one of our properties.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:14 - 1:35:18)
That allows us to park more than,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:18 - 1:35:19)
in this case, 63 spots.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:20 - 1:35:23)
A lot of our employees take public transit to work.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:24 - 1:35:34)
That helps mitigate course not all of them do so we will have to You know have them parking on-site or find off-site parking opportunities for them and for for guests during peak hours big times

[Speaker 4] (1:35:35 - 1:35:41)
Got it. And would you just lease parking spaces for a valet with folks interested or something?

[Speaker 1] (1:35:42 - 1:35:44)
Yep something along those lines. Yep

[Speaker 4] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44)
Understood.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:45 - 1:35:50)
So the compact space is their angled parking. And it looks like

[Speaker 3] (1:35:50 - 1:35:52)
They're angled the wrong way

[Speaker 3] (1:35:53 - 1:35:55)
because you want traffic to flow in from

[Speaker 2] (1:35:55 - 1:35:59)
True. Well no, they've got the arrow the in arrow on the on the right

[Speaker 2] (1:35:59 - 1:36:00)
on the left.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:01 - 1:36:01)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:01 - 1:36:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:03 - 1:36:04)
So it's two ins.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:04 - 1:36:06)
Yeah, that's an that's an in and an out.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:07 - 1:36:07)
Any in

[Speaker 1] (1:36:07 - 1:36:07)
This

[Speaker 2] (1:36:07 - 1:36:08)
and an outy,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:08 - 1:36:08)
is just an

[Speaker 2] (1:36:08 - 1:36:08)
that's

[Speaker 1] (1:36:08 - 1:36:08)
end.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:08 - 1:36:09)
an innie.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:09 - 1:36:11)
So it's one way until you get past the entrance,

[Speaker 2] (1:36:11 - 1:36:12)
And then

[Speaker 4] (1:36:12 - 1:36:12)
past

[Speaker 2] (1:36:12 - 1:36:12)
you turn right.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:12 - 1:36:13)
the annex, and then it's

[Speaker 3] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:13 - 1:36:16)
two way into the parking parking area.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:18 - 1:36:19)
For lack of better description.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:20 - 1:36:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:23 - 1:36:23)
Got it, okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:25 - 1:36:25)
And then

[Speaker 1] (1:36:25 - 1:36:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:26 - 1:36:30)
yeah, it's how you're wiring for EV charging stations, I think.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:31 - 1:36:33)
Over here I believe, yeah, right here.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:34 - 1:36:35)
Tool head charging stations.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:37 - 1:36:42)
Any thoughts for well yeah, any thoughts for bikes or anything like that? I don't know.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:43 - 1:36:44)
Is that something you have it in at your properties?

[Speaker 1] (1:36:45 - 1:36:51)
Uh we do have bike sent to most of our properties. So we'll find a place for

[Speaker 4] (1:36:51 - 1:36:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:52 - 1:36:52)
for some bike racks.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:53 - 1:36:54)
Yeah, that'd be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:59 - 1:37:01)
Okay, uh moving.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:01 - 1:37:02)
Is that okay if I move on?

[Speaker 4] (1:37:02 - 1:37:03)
Mm-hmm, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:05 - 1:37:08)
So this is the basement.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:09 - 1:37:22)
But as you all know, or maybe you don't, uh the basement is not really a full basement. Um you know there's something like four and a half, five foot windows on the basement even. So what we are proposing here for the oh start from a left to right,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:23 - 1:37:25)
I pointed out the outdoor dining area for the restaurant.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:27 - 1:37:33)
You can see those laid out here. Uh this room, which I think was arts and crafts room I believe.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:33 - 1:37:38)
We kind of see that as becoming the the pub lounge bar area of the of the restaurant.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:39 - 1:37:56)
And this area which is currently part of the mechanical room, um that kind of being the more you know formal dining area dining a la carte room, um with you know nice warm lighting, so when you make that turn onto Red Ink Street you see a kind of a warm you know welcome under the property.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:58 - 1:38:01)
Um again pub room here, dining room here, uh

[Speaker 1] (1:38:01 - 1:38:07)
In the outdoor dining we've talked about already. Here's our dedicated step down into the restaurant.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:09 - 1:38:14)
Restaurant and bar leaves the bathrooms dedicated for the restaurant down here.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:16 - 1:38:20)
And then fundamentally everything that I'm highlighting with my mouse,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:20 - 1:38:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:20 - 1:38:24)
the exact layout of this is still to be determined,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:24 - 1:38:25)
but this is all back of house.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:25 - 1:38:26)
This is storage,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:26 - 1:38:27)
this is kitchen,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:27 - 1:38:29)
this is lockers, this is offices.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:29 - 1:38:39)
Um none of that will really be guess facing, and that little ramp that someone pointed out to those steps probably have to get a little bit bigger, but that's how you get in the back of house area.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:43 - 1:38:51)
Right here is kind of the wellness section of the restaur of the hotel. This is where we're proposing to have our our dedicated spa,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:52 - 1:38:56)
which will be open to the public, but it'll be it will have its det a dedicated entrance.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:57 - 1:38:58)
From the front of the property,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:58 - 1:39:04)
there's a little door here that exists that kind of steps down, and that'll be the dedicated entrance into the spa.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:06 - 1:39:09)
And then this room here will be our fitness facility,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10)
our gym.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14)
And again...

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:19)
And again, all ADA access will run through these two two elevators here, as well as the stairwell.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:21 - 1:39:37)
In terms of the basement of the annex, uh really just all rooms uh varying in size from a four hundred and eighty five square feet, which is quite a big room, as well as this one, seven hundred and seventy five square feet, uh then a few smaller ones, two ninety, three sixty five.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:38 - 1:39:40)
But you have to line them up with the windows obviously,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:40 - 1:39:44)
so it lays out quite nicely for hotel rooms.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:48 - 1:39:50)
How many rooms are in the property total?

[Speaker 1] (1:39:52 - 1:40:03)
It'll be somewhere between 56 and 59 depending on how many suites we have. So we might combine a few rooms to create bigger suites and so it will kind of take away a key as we say.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:05 - 1:40:07)
That'll be somewhere in that in that range.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:11 - 1:40:19)
Okay, so this is the first floor. And you'll see here, this is the dedicated hotel lobby, front desk, check-in.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:21 - 1:40:27)
Uh, it's probably where the principal's office is and the nurse's office is. We do have some bathrooms here off the lobby.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:30 - 1:40:31)
And we're proposing to

[Speaker 1] (1:40:32 - 1:40:36)
really not touch physically uh the gymnasium.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:37 - 1:40:55)
This becomes uh the ballroom. You have that space for the hotel. This heating plan shows I think it's 120 seats which is actually quite a lot, uh especially in the context of a hotel that has somewhere between fifty six and you have sixty rooms, call it. Um so you should think about not wedding example if every room is

[Speaker 1] (1:40:56 - 1:40:57)
rented out with two uh to

[Speaker 1] (1:40:58 - 1:41:03)
Two occupants. It's about 120 people, so there's your event. Kind of lays out pretty nicely.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:04 - 1:41:10)
We're keeping the stage. We will probably have a dumbwaiter that runs from the kitchen up to the ballroom, to the gym.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
But otherwise,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:13 - 1:41:14)
you know, new windows.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:16 - 1:41:19)
Current windows that overlook the park are kind of boarded up and glazed over.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:20 - 1:41:21)
You think about brand new windows,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:21 - 1:41:25)
tons of natural light flowing into a space with 25 foot ceilings.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:25 - 1:41:27)
It'll be a pretty special and beautiful room.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:30)
Again, restoring,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:31 - 1:41:36)
refinishing all the detailing within the building or the gymnasium.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:37 - 1:41:39)
But, you know, from an aesthetic standpoint,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:39 - 1:41:46)
keeping all the molding and the beautiful craft work that kind of surrounds the stage and the entire perimeter.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:50 - 1:41:54)
And then these are, you know, these classroom rooms here.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:54 - 1:41:55)
That's one classroom right now,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:56 - 1:41:56)
but you can see.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:59 - 1:42:12)
I say all we're really doing, it's going to be a lot more complicated than the way I'm describing it, um really putting a demising wall down the middle of what's currently a, you know, 800 inch square foot box of a classroom,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:13 - 1:42:19)
put a demising wall between each of these four windows, so each room has two very large windows,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:20 - 1:42:25)
um and then those comp those big blank walls that are on, you know, either end of the building.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:26 - 1:42:34)
You solve that by putting your bathroom on that wall and then you know this bed faces you want to know why they put a window there That's a mistake.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:34 - 1:42:35)
There's no window there,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:35 - 1:42:35)
but

[Speaker 2] (1:42:35 - 1:42:36)
There's a door there.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:37 - 1:42:38)
There is a door you're right on that first floor

[Speaker 2] (1:42:40 - 1:42:42)
Some of us know these rooms really well.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:43 - 1:42:46)
I'm sure we can tell you the teachers that belong in each one.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:52 - 1:42:56)
tv wall there to windows i mean you can see lays out pretty pretty

[Speaker 2] (1:42:56 - 1:42:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:56 - 1:43:19)
easily and we're just showing connecting rooms on every room not every room will be a connector but of course for families and people traveling together that's nice to have but not every room will be a connecting room just showing that for spacing purposes and the coat closets here they're currently where the cubbies were i guess for the classrooms

[Speaker 1] (1:43:20 - 1:43:29)
You know those can be a bathroom. It's kind of a long and narrow bathroom, but you have plenty of room and with sort of have a a vanity, you get a double vanity, plenty of room for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:29 - 1:43:34)
And whether we put the toilet on the window side or the shower on the window side, again to be determined.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:35 - 1:43:41)
But we're able to keep a lot of that detailing uh in each of these rooms without uh having to lose square footage.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:45 - 1:43:51)
And that layout really kind of remains consistent on the flanks of each of the corners of the main building.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:53 - 1:43:53)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:43:53 - 1:43:54)
And in the annex,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:54 - 1:43:57)
again, these rooms almost stack just vertical,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:58 - 1:44:01)
they're the same all the way up, just aligning with the windows.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:02 - 1:44:05)
the uh function space the gym.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:06 - 1:44:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:06 - 1:44:14)
So you're keeping the stage pre uh little bit outside of the schematic review here, but what's the what's the intent of that is there per some programmatic reason you're hoping to use that or

[Speaker 2] (1:44:15 - 1:44:16)
To bankrupt?

[Speaker 1] (1:44:16 - 1:44:23)
I mean, if you're if you're having a wedding you could have the band on the stage if you're, you know, you could have a big table up on the stage to kind of celebrate

[Speaker 1] (1:44:24 - 1:44:26)
No real reason to

[Speaker 2] (1:44:26 - 1:44:27)
Okay. Just to design

[Speaker 1] (1:44:27 - 1:44:27)
demolish

[Speaker 2] (1:44:27 - 1:44:27)
the room.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:27 - 1:44:27)
it.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:28 - 1:44:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:28 - 1:44:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:28 - 1:44:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:30 - 1:44:33)
And then to that end any more questions on the first floor?

[Speaker 1] (1:44:37 - 1:44:43)
So we're also going to be keeping the mezzanine seating area that overlooks the ballroom the ballroom the gym

[Speaker 1] (1:44:45 - 1:44:56)
We'd thought about putting a hotel room there, but you can see it's a huge room. I think it was something like seven hundred square feet. And there is the pored concrete, you know, step-down seating.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:57 - 1:44:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:57 - 1:45:05)
Which made laying out mechanicals, you know, very tricky, 'cause it is pored concrete. And furthermore this window that's all the way at the end of the seating area,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:07 - 1:45:13)
it's actually quite small. I mean, kind of comically small for a seven hundred plus square foot hotel room.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:15 - 1:45:26)
Our intention is just to keep the seating area as is, try and refurnish those chairs that are actually kind of quite beautiful in the metal detailing,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:26 - 1:45:28)
refinish the wood.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:29 - 1:45:34)
With the idea being that when the gym, the ballroom is not being used for a private event,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:34 - 1:45:42)
you know, trying to figure out some sort of, you know, regularly scheduled programming, whether it's a speaker series, you know, some form of a concert, stand-up comedian,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:42 - 1:45:49)
you know, that kind of thing that could be, of course, open to the public and be a fun use of the space and, you know, certainly would generate some revenue.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:50 - 1:45:50)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:51 - 1:46:03)
Um, so a nice way to bring the community into the space because I guess, you know, naturally if you live in Swampscott you don't really need to, you don't need a hotel room in Swampscott, right? So it's a way to get into the into the space.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:06 - 1:46:06)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:17 - 1:46:25)
The main building and the annex is now top down. You have that all, the roof of that will be mechanicals, solar panels, and

[Speaker 1] (1:46:27 - 1:46:38)
then the only real difference here on the third floor is these proposed hotel rooms all have these kind of very big terraces that are already there on the roof of the of the gymnasium.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:39 - 1:46:46)
So just to to finish that out and then you have three nice-sized guest rooms here with three very big terraces overlooking the park.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:51 - 1:46:52)
Great view, I'm sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:53 - 1:46:56)
Yeah, now it's a beautiful view from up there.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:56 - 1:46:58)
Then the best view in the house is of course the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:00 - 1:47:03)
So we had tooled around with having a full,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:03 - 1:47:04)
kind

[Speaker 1] (1:47:05 - 1:47:10)
of a four season, you know, fully enclosed space on the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:11 - 1:47:12)
You know, with,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:12 - 1:47:13)
again,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:13 - 1:47:17)
the added apartment requirement would be significant to have to, you know, park a full.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:18 - 1:47:41)
enclosed space up there and given that we already have a natural ballroom in the conversion of the gymnasium that's a appropriate size for a hotel this many room keys we decided to just have a much more simple rooftop amenity deck you know just with bathrooms it can be serviced by a mobile bar nothing really permanent

[Speaker 1] (1:47:43 - 1:47:49)
And it will reopen to hotel guests. It can also be rented out for private events, parties, what have you.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:49 - 1:47:56)
But really nice big open space. Again these seating plans are here to show you how it could be laid out.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:59 - 1:48:01)
But a nice big ceil deck. And that's

[Speaker 1] (1:48:02 - 1:48:03)
keep it pretty simple.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:03 - 1:48:09)
And these areas are likely going to be mechanical, so those aren't there's not a bad view from the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:10 - 1:48:25)
the view overlooking uh the bay down to the Boston skyline is of course the best, so we wanted to focus all the best views uh, you know, facing that direction. And then again kind of burying the bathrooms in the back corner away from the site corridors

[Speaker 1] (1:48:26 - 1:48:27)
uh and close to the elevators as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:28 - 1:48:30)
I'm assuming this is all uncovered on the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:31 - 1:48:31)
All uncovered, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:31 - 1:48:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:32 - 1:48:33)
I mean, could we have some

[Speaker 1] (1:48:33 - 1:48:37)
You know umbrellas, you know maybe a light pergola system to

[Speaker 2] (1:48:37 - 1:48:37)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:37 - 1:48:42)
provide some shade Yeah, but nothing really permanent as proposed.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:42 - 1:48:42)
Understood.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:42 - 1:48:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:44 - 1:48:50)
In all of the utilities for heating and cooling and such would be located on the two roof areas here?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:50 - 1:48:59)
I mean you can see that plenty of room here or here to for mechanicals I think there's something that's gonna needs to be on the on the ground kind of back here

[Speaker 1] (1:49:02 - 1:49:05)
the lion's share of it and be out of sight out of mind you

[Speaker 2] (1:49:05 - 1:49:06)
It's good.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:06 - 1:49:09)
know with some with some plantings and bordering around so you don't

[Speaker 16] (1:49:09 - 1:49:10)
really

[Speaker 2] (1:49:11 - 1:49:12)
As far as utilities,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:12 - 1:49:15)
what's the, I know it's a historic building,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:15 - 1:49:20)
so I'm not sure what you're able or not able to do, but what's the plan for heating,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:20 - 1:49:20)
cooling,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:20 - 1:49:20)
etc.?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:32)
we're thinking of doing is kind of largely you know heat pump driven electrical heat pumps you know we do have solar given that it is in the northern climate we might need to have some sort of

[Speaker 1] (1:49:33 - 1:49:35)
Supplemental heating.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:36 - 1:49:49)
I don't, for January, February it gets very cold, but um, you know) given that it's gonna be a a brand new building on the interior with newer windows, fully insulated windows, um gonna be much tighter building than it is now,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:50 - 1:49:52)
uh you know, we'll see what we can kind of get away with. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:49:54 - 1:49:54)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:49:54 - 1:49:54)
But the plan

[Speaker 1] (1:49:54 - 1:49:54)
if we can,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:54 - 1:49:56)
is all electric heat pumps.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:58 - 1:50:00)
um that's what we're gonna try and go for, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:01 - 1:50:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:03 - 1:50:16)
Dixon, I have a couple questions. Um I do not have a scale with me. I'm using my thumb on these drawings. The location of the stairs on the roof don't appear to align with the stairs underneath them.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:17 - 1:50:18)
It's

[Speaker 3] (1:50:18 - 1:50:18)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:50:18 - 1:50:20)
talking about these stair these stairs over here.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:20 - 1:50:27)
Yes, they're they're actually pulled further away from the parapet when I'm looking at them.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:29 - 1:50:32)
So if I look at the third floor plan and then I look at this,

[Speaker 3] (1:50:33 - 1:50:39)
there's a little bit of discrepancy because this where the third floor,

[Speaker 3] (1:50:39 - 1:50:41)
see where the up and down are there,

[Speaker 3] (1:50:41 - 1:50:49)
that up would be going up the stairs to that and then if you go over here that up is not in the same location.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:49 - 1:50:52)
Yeah, I remember going through this with our architect and he,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:52 - 1:50:53)
it did,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:53 - 1:50:55)
there was some creative.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:55 - 1:51:00)
adjustments to how that all leads up to the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:02 - 1:51:12)
I can't exactly speak to it right now, but he could certainly answer the questions. It was it took some it took some time to have it to work out. I remember him putting

[Speaker 3] (1:51:12 - 1:51:13)
The only

[Speaker 1] (1:51:13 - 1:51:13)
work

[Speaker 3] (1:51:13 - 1:51:14)
quite

[Speaker 1] (1:51:14 - 1:51:14)
in.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:14 - 1:51:18)
concern I have is what's drawn doesn't appear to be accurate.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:21 - 1:51:30)
So it would be, that tower should probably be closer to the parapet on the left-hand side of the building than where it's drawn.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:32 - 1:51:34)
Yeah, I can ask him and then get

[Speaker 3] (1:51:34 - 1:51:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:34 - 1:51:35)
some clarity on it for you.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:35 - 1:51:39)
And then the other question I have is back on the roof plan.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:41 - 1:51:43)
There's spaces here.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:45 - 1:51:48)
There's that, I'm thinking it's saying circulation.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:49 - 1:51:51)
Oh, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:51 - 1:51:51)
circulation.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:53 - 1:51:54)
Then there's a curb.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:55 - 1:51:57)
Is that a planted roof?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:57 - 1:51:58)
Is that what I'm reading here?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:58 - 1:51:59)
New rooftop planter construction?

[Speaker 3] (1:52:01 - 1:52:01)
Is

[Speaker 1] (1:52:01 - 1:52:01)
All that right.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:01 - 1:52:03)
basically a green roof?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:10)
It can't be a fully green roof. You know, plants are actually quite heavy from

[Speaker 3] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:10 - 1:52:12)
a pound per square foot standpoint.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:12 - 1:52:18)
So it can't all be planted. Will there be plantings to screen in the mechanicals?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:18 - 1:52:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:19 - 1:52:19)
absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:19 - 1:52:22)
Okay, because the way this is reading,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:22 - 1:52:27)
based on the notes, it appeared to be a green roof.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:28 - 1:52:29)
And then I did have a question.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:30 - 1:52:35)
One of the things that everything is looking really good.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:35 - 1:52:42)
I'm loving the way you're using space inside. I think the solutions around the guest rooms are really terrific.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:43 - 1:52:51)
The one thing that stands out a little bit to me though is the bathrooms that are on the roof,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:51 - 1:52:56)
their location, and I'm curious, was there any consideration

[Speaker 3] (1:52:56 - 1:53:02)
of that left-hand stair tower. Right now there's basically three towers on here.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:02 - 1:53:04)
One is the circulation

[Speaker 1] (1:53:04 - 1:53:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:04 - 1:53:15)
penthouse, one is the actual circulation tower with the elevators, and then the third is really that bathroom that is windowless and and covered.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:15 - 1:53:23)
And what strikes me with that and what what concerns me, you had mentioned it would be behind trees, but realistically those trees are

[Speaker 3] (1:53:23 - 1:53:49)
quite old and they won't be they're not a reliable source of screening one of the things that I was wondering was would there be more logic in having those attached to the stair tower itself that's on the left so you had two elements that were up on the roof instead of three the other thing that that sort of stands out

[Speaker 3] (1:53:50 - 1:53:53)
I mean, my concern on it is the fact that right now...

[Speaker 3] (1:53:53 - 1:53:56)
The Hadley faces the town square,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:56 - 1:53:58)
it faces Linscott Park,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:58 - 1:53:59)
it faces Town Hall,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:59 - 1:54:00)
the whole thing.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:00 - 1:54:03)
And it's a pretty prominent view,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:03 - 1:54:21)
and I'm incredibly excited to see the building renovated and really to be something really positive. But there's quite a bit of symmetry to that side of the building that that extension of the bathrooms there right on the parapet wall.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:22 - 1:54:26)
really seems to sort of mess with it and even though it is the back of the hotel,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:26 - 1:54:28)
it is the front of the town.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:29 - 1:54:47)
So I I would really love to see that evaluated so it's also a high massing adjacent to that elevator tower. And I think if the elevator tower were standing alone and and treated as an object and that was pulled away from it

[Speaker 3] (1:54:47 - 1:54:52)
It would make for a much cleaner view of the building.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:55 - 1:55:01)
Yeah, no, it's uh I hear I certainly hear what you're saying our our objective was to try and maximize

[Speaker 1] (1:55:01 - 1:55:05)
The amount of open space with the best views on the roof

[Speaker 1] (1:55:05 - 1:55:12)
So you can see if you kind of take you know, you know this amount of space and add it somewhere on here

[Speaker 1] (1:55:13 - 1:55:15)
You're just kind of taken away from some of the best views,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:15 - 1:55:18)
but I hear you that you know from that if you're standing

[Speaker 1] (1:55:19 - 1:55:22)
Right in monument kind of looking at the building,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:23 - 1:55:27)
you know, this will be visible at some point when those old trees

[Speaker 1] (1:55:28 - 1:55:29)
Move on.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:29 - 1:55:30)
Yeah, and all winter too,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:31 - 1:55:33)
because those are all deciduous.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:33 - 1:55:35)
I would

[Speaker 1] (1:55:35 - 1:55:36)
We were just kind of kind

[Speaker 3] (1:55:36 - 1:55:38)
think you could think about view lines.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:39 - 1:55:41)
And tuck that behind,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:41 - 1:55:45)
because currently that stair tower that is on the outdoor terrace,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:45 - 1:55:47)
the views are,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:47 - 1:55:56)
if the restroom were narrowed down, I think you could place it and still maintain your views pretty easily.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:57 - 1:56:00)
Yeah, it's given how large of the space is

[Speaker 1] (1:56:01 - 1:56:05)
It's hard to shrink I think these are as

[Speaker 1] (1:56:05 - 1:56:10)
few bathroom count as we can have, as small bathrooms we can have in

[Speaker 3] (1:56:10 - 1:56:10)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:10 - 1:56:12)
a per code.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:12 - 1:56:13)
So it's tough to shrink them.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:14 - 1:56:21)
No, no, I'm not suggesting shrinking them, but I do think that you are already blocking the view with that one piece.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:23 - 1:56:28)
And I don't know, that's the area I would really like to see explored,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:28 - 1:56:32)
if that was a possibility. And the other...

[Speaker 3] (1:56:34 - 1:56:39)
The other possibility is since that tower does not have access,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:40 - 1:56:42)
this is a two-sided elevator,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:42 - 1:56:46)
but they can be programmed so the doors don't actually open on both sides.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:46 - 1:56:47)
Yeah

[Speaker 3] (1:56:47 - 1:56:50)
So there could be a look at that.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:50 - 1:56:52)
There is a lot of space.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:54 - 1:56:57)
I'm believing that the elevator...

[Speaker 3] (1:56:58 - 1:57:09)
That's on the top on this drawing the door next to it is leading you into the downstairs, correct? So the back section on either side of that elevator tower

[Speaker 3] (1:57:10 - 1:57:12)
is really dead-end circulation.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:12 - 1:57:18)
You wouldn't have both doors open on those elevators. You'd only be using the doors that were facing the deck

[Speaker 1] (1:57:18 - 1:57:20)
On this floor, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:20 - 1:57:21)
on that floor.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:21 - 1:57:24)
So where it says elevator rooftop main,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:25 - 1:57:43)
All of that space that's there is dead circulation because you would only be using or you could only use the door on one side of each of those elevators and you could gain that space and actually potentially find a way to get some of those services into that tower.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:48 - 1:57:49)
I don't know if that made sense the way I said that,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:49 - 1:57:50)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:50 - 1:57:50)
but yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:50 - 1:57:51)
I'm pretty good.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:51 - 1:57:51)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:51 - 1:57:55)
because everywhere else you have that condition where this is connecting into the annex,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:56 - 1:58:00)
you need that space to be able to step down and change the elevation.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:04 - 1:58:08)
Yeah, no, I hear you. I'm just kind of thinking about what could be, I mean, it's too narrow for the bathrooms.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:11 - 1:58:13)
I don't know, we can look at it. Listen, I I hear you loud and clear on

[Speaker 3] (1:58:13 - 1:58:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:13 - 1:58:15)
the aesthetics of other than your

[Speaker 3] (1:58:15 - 1:58:31)
But the but the other thing that I'm wondering is could you put bathroom like could you handle some of the bathrooms there and some of the bathrooms just by enlarging the the front staircase then you would have bathrooms attached to the circulation to the roof on each end.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:32 - 1:58:43)
without having an oversized tower that was out on the outdoor terrace and then you would pull that whole element down to a single freestanding element and the single element on the roof.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:46 - 1:58:46)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:46 - 1:58:56)
No, that's certainly a thought actually. We hadn't, we had always just wanted to kind of keep it out of sight out of mind from the entry,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:56 - 1:59:00)
but I hear you there's no kind of front and back to this building since they're both very public facing.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01)
Yeah, this

[Speaker 1] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01)
just is science.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:01 - 1:59:04)
this is a really because and and it is

[Speaker 2] (1:59:25 - 1:59:34)
just a really attractive structure there's some beautiful sightlines to it. So it's a it's a nice project to do um and to see

[Speaker 3] (1:59:34 - 1:59:34)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:59:34 - 1:59:34)
that.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:34 - 1:59:38)
there's also also nowhere to hide. You got to put the uh your services in the bathroom somewhere.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:38 - 1:59:40)
Yes you do, you do, that's true.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:41 - 1:59:48)
Uh but now listen um a point taken. I think that is uh something that is worth looking into. Um so thank you for that.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:58 - 2:00:02)
You say you're considering solar panels. Is that on the roof of the annex?

[Speaker 3] (2:00:03 - 2:00:04)
Or the annex, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:29 - 2:00:34)
And on the first floor you had mentioned outside the restaurant that dining terrace,

[Speaker 4] (2:00:34 - 2:00:40)
it you had shown it full length, I guess, for the footprint of the building, for lack of better description, um

[Speaker 3] (2:00:40 - 2:00:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:40 - 2:00:51)
pending potentially adding a few parking spaces there that might eat into the terrace. What's the what's the decision making there, is that just based on what the final key count ends up being or um

[Speaker 3] (2:00:52 - 2:00:55)
Yeah, I mean, uh we know parking is

[Speaker 3] (2:00:57 - 2:00:58)
It's Tuffin Town,

[Speaker 3] (2:00:58 - 2:00:58)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:00:58 - 2:00:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:58 - 2:01:00)
Um, you don't need me to tell you that.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:00 - 2:01:10)
Yeah. Um, if we can claw back a few more spaces, uh and again try and open up the that view corridor as you are kind of pulling into the town coming up the glen.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:11 - 2:01:17)
Um, you know, looking over the park, looking over down to the water through the trees, it's actually a kind of a beautiful setting there. Um,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:17 - 2:01:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:17 - 2:01:26)
it's a great view for the dumpster right now, uh, but it'd be an even nicer place to have some outdoor seating. So again, if we can get a few more spaces in this area. Um

[Speaker 2] (2:01:27 - 2:01:28)
Hopefully

[Speaker 3] (2:01:28 - 2:01:28)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:28 - 2:01:28)
you won't have to.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:29 - 2:01:29)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:30 - 2:01:33)
Yeah, because I do think this is

[Speaker 3] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
a...

[Speaker 3] (2:01:33 - 2:01:36)
there is just very little landscaping on this

[Speaker 4] (2:01:36 - 2:01:36)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:36 - 2:01:37)
property.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:37 - 2:01:42)
I mean, luckily we're next to a beautiful park, so we don't have to have landscaping on our property, but nevertheless,

[Speaker 3] (2:01:43 - 2:01:45)
it's nice to have something.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:45 - 2:01:46)
But unfortunately,

[Speaker 3] (2:01:47 - 2:01:48)
we just don't have as much room to play with.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:50 - 2:01:51)
Um, the,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:51 - 2:01:52)
uh...

[Speaker 2] (2:01:53 - 2:02:09)
This section between the angled parking and Readington Street has traditionally had a nice treescape, um and it would be nice to figure out if that could be retained right along that along the front of the cars there. Um especially

[Speaker 3] (2:02:09 - 2:02:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:09 - 2:02:15)
with angle parking because those can be done sawtooth instead of as a straight line since cars sawtooth.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:16 - 2:02:17)
When you park them at an angle.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:17 - 2:02:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:18 - 2:02:32)
So there that would be a a very welcome place to get some green in. Um this is a this is a silly thing, 'cause I just can't stop looking at it. On the on the uh title block a swampscot is misspelled.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:33 - 2:02:37)
It's womp swapmscot. Um

[Speaker 3] (2:02:37 - 2:02:37)
Where?

[Speaker 2] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
Uh look

[Speaker 4] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
Project.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:38 - 2:02:41)
on the right-hand side where it says project,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:41 - 2:02:43)
it says Delamar swap Miss Scott.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:44 - 2:02:44)
Great under,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:44 - 2:02:44)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:44 - 2:02:45)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:45 - 2:02:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:45 - 2:02:47)
That's for our architect, that's not for me, so

[Speaker 2] (2:02:47 - 2:02:51)
Oh no no, it's definitely from your architect. I want you to bring things back to your architect.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:54 - 2:02:56)
But it is funny 'cause my eye keeps hitting it.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:00 - 2:03:06)
Any uh any work, it's a big project so probably still digesting. Any other comments, questions from the board for for uh

[Speaker 4] (2:03:07 - 2:03:07)
Dixon

[Speaker 5] (2:03:11 - 2:03:22)
excited that this is happening and you know I have nothing but good things to say I'm really very happy about it so thank you

[Speaker 3] (2:03:23 - 2:03:25)
No, thank you. We're equally excited.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:27 - 2:03:30)
And Dixon thanks for making an appearance here before us tonight

[Speaker 4] (2:03:31 - 2:03:50)
was needed but it's greatly appreciated and very helpful to have you kind of walk us through not only the schematics but also the design the intent and the programmatic reasons for it once you get into operations I think everyone in town is waiting with bated breath so having you be able to walk through the logic behind some of the decisions is is helpful

[Speaker 3] (2:03:50 - 2:03:55)
Yeah, and on the some of the technicality stuff again, I'm happy to

[Speaker 3] (2:03:56 - 2:04:00)
Answer some of those questions that I can't answer because I will get in front of our development team.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:00 - 2:04:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:01 - 2:04:01)
So.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:04 - 2:04:13)
The your renderings are really helpful to sort of see the spirit of what you're doing and I apologize for all of sort of the design.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:14 - 2:04:29)
things that I keep bringing up but one of the things that I I will point out is with the the window shown with white and of course with the the trim and the banding that's very prominent on this building I think it could be really interesting to think of that tower

[Speaker 2] (2:04:30 - 2:04:34)
relating to that whiteness and really

[Speaker 4] (2:04:34 - 2:04:34)
You

[Speaker 2] (2:04:34 - 2:04:58)
letting yeah so that that's shown in black I almost feel if that was a white tower in there that related to the stone or whatever color the stone became it might feel much more integrated where right now it does feel a little bit foreign to the building I think that that the tower on the roof if you look at the elevation that you show or the rendering you showed

[Speaker 2] (2:04:58 - 2:05:25)
showed from the that one that gives you an idea of like that really clean New England white against the red brick is quite striking and then then the I'm intrigued by the copper flashing that was a repair being retained and I really sort of like it it lets it stand out a little bit more where that becomes a third element instead of the brick becoming the fourth element

[Speaker 3] (2:05:26 - 2:05:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:26 - 2:05:35)
What I will say, I can't say this definitively, but since this is a, we're going for historic tax credits on this project,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:35 - 2:05:35)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (2:05:35 - 2:05:35)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:05:35 - 2:05:35)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:35 - 2:05:36)
maintaining the facade,

[Speaker 3] (2:05:36 - 2:05:39)
maintaining as much of the interiors as is practical,

[Speaker 3] (2:05:39 - 2:05:43)
they will want you to have any new construction kind

[Speaker 2] (2:05:43 - 2:05:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:44 - 2:05:47)
of be a stark contrast to the original two buildings.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:47 - 2:05:48)
In this case, they're both historic,

[Speaker 3] (2:05:48 - 2:05:48)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:05:48 - 2:05:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:49 - 2:05:50)
annex and the main building.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:52 - 2:05:52)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:52 - 2:05:56)
But that's why I would suggest something in, you

[Speaker 3] (2:05:57 - 2:05:57)
My computer froze.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:57 - 2:06:02)
know, in a white or in a light color like that where it's not a different brick.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:03 - 2:06:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:03 - 2:06:09)
Because it sort of looks like it's being proposed in a black brick.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:09 - 2:06:13)
And I really think doing something and thinking about that material,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:13 - 2:06:16)
no one would ever think that that was...

[Speaker 2] (2:06:18 - 2:06:23)
that was part of the original building because everything is brick.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:24 - 2:06:27)
Yeah, maybe I forgot to mention it earlier,

[Speaker 3] (2:06:27 - 2:06:29)
but this is really done for just kind of massing to show

[Speaker 2] (2:06:29 - 2:06:30)
No,

[Speaker 3] (2:06:30 - 2:06:30)
the size

[Speaker 2] (2:06:30 - 2:06:30)
I know,

[Speaker 3] (2:06:30 - 2:06:31)
and scale of the construction.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:31 - 2:06:39)
I'm just, I'm giving some, I'm giving some reaction to that in the sense of that. And the other thing that, that

[Speaker 2] (2:06:41 - 2:06:46)
Would be nice to see is some some coverage outdoor coverage in front of that entrance

[Speaker 4] (2:06:47 - 2:06:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:47 - 2:06:56)
So that that is the handicapped entrance But it's it's some place that people can be standing in the rain as they're waiting for their their cab or something because that is something

[Speaker 3] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
An that awning.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:56 - 2:07:00)
building You know some sort of awning in that which would

[Speaker 2] (2:07:01 - 2:07:03)
make it more functional, but also

[Speaker 2] (2:07:04 - 2:07:06)
Not have it be as flat as it's reading

[Speaker 3] (2:07:07 - 2:07:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:08 - 2:07:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:09 - 2:07:11)
It's going to be a beautiful project.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:14 - 2:07:15)
Hope so.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:16 - 2:07:17)
I hope so.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:20 - 2:07:26)
I have to tell you I'm thrilled to see the accessibility tower.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:27 - 2:07:50)
that for years we were told there was no way to do um very clearly illustrated because it's part of the it's part of the reason the school is no longer a school and uh there were many voices saying there was no way to make it accessible and uh there were a few voices saying there's a very easy way to do it and it's basically exactly what you've drawn so it's

[Speaker 3] (2:07:50 - 2:07:51)
I mean

[Speaker 2] (2:07:51 - 2:07:52)
great it's great to see it

[Speaker 3] (2:07:53 - 2:07:59)
It is tricky, but I mean you're just gonna have a lot of little you know stops on the elevator, but I

[Speaker 2] (2:07:59 - 2:08:14)
It it's it's funny if you in if you ever go to the MFA in Boston the Museum of Fine Arts this exact situation happens between two editions on the building and and it's really a charming moment when you when you when it's done well and so it's sort of fun.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:18 - 2:08:19)
mean as a complete aside,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:19 - 2:08:21)
I mean I think given that it's not

[Speaker 3] (2:08:22 - 2:08:23)
You know, that tall of a building.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:24 - 2:08:31)
When this stairwell gets renovated, and again those windows are kind of blocked out and kind of glazed over,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:31 - 2:08:35)
but you're going to have fantastic views kind of looking out,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:08:35 - 2:08:36)
Using

[Speaker 3] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
think a lot of people

[Speaker 2] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
those

[Speaker 3] (2:08:36 - 2:08:37)
will, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:37 - 2:08:38)
staircases is going to be fantastic.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:40 - 2:08:41)
because they're, I mean they're very wide.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:41 - 2:08:44)
Will you be restoring the height in all the corridors also?

[Speaker 3] (2:08:45 - 2:08:49)
Yeah, I mean there will be some drops for HVAC and mechanical of course,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:49 - 2:08:58)
but I think the lowest the lowest ceiling height in the entire both buildings is something like 11 feet I mean, it's there's a lot of a lot of

[Speaker 2] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
It's a great old building.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:59 - 2:09:06)
a lot of height to work with. So that kind of helps you you know hide and inevitably you need chases for everything but yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:09 - 2:09:13)
So as we look to provide comments to our colleagues on the select board for this,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:15 - 2:09:17)
What do we want to make sure we note here?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:17 - 2:09:23)
I don't think there was an extensive amount of comments. I mean, this was a pretty thorough schematic design that looks very nice.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:25 - 2:09:25)
Um

[Speaker 5] (2:09:25 - 2:09:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:25 - 2:09:30)
As far as comments to the select board, Krista, do you wanna notate what you have, what you've recorded so far, and we can

[Speaker 5] (2:09:32 - 2:09:34)
Yes, I'm going to share my screen really quick.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:37 - 2:09:39)
These are by no means refined,

[Speaker 5] (2:09:39 - 2:09:40)
but

[Speaker 3] (2:09:40 - 2:09:41)
Yeah, all good.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:41 - 2:09:49)
first we had explore parking lot lighting to make the lighting low level in height so that surfaces are lit but not the sky,

[Speaker 5] (2:09:50 - 2:09:51)
to reduce impact on neighbors,

[Speaker 5] (2:09:52 - 2:09:54)
bicycle parking being noted on the plan.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:56 - 2:10:04)
The stairs from the third floor plan do not align with the stairs shown on the roof plan. This is all one comment about

[Speaker 5] (2:10:04 - 2:10:18)
the potential in attaching the bathrooms to the stair element and the dead space behind the elevators in that tower to potentially go from three towers on the roof to two.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:19 - 2:10:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:19 - 2:10:23)
So there's going to be some wordsmithing on this, but that was the

[Speaker 3] (2:10:23 - 2:10:24)
You get the intent.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:24 - 2:10:25)
general idea

[Speaker 3] (2:10:25 - 2:10:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:25 - 2:10:27)
of that.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:27 - 2:10:30)
And then the comment to think of having

[Speaker 5] (2:10:31 - 2:10:43)
the tower relate to the whiteness of the banding rather than dark black brick. Um as well as might des nice to see some outdoor coverage in front of the tower entrance like an awning to make it more functional.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:44 - 2:10:57)
And it this is a little outside a schematic, but I think Jared's comments um a moment ago about the uh angled parking area where the compact cars are noted, um finding if uh tray

[Speaker 3] (2:10:57 - 2:11:00)
trees and shrubbery and plantings could be maintained there.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:00 - 2:11:02)
So that's sawtoothing the curb line?

[Speaker 3] (2:11:02 - 2:11:02)
Sawtoothing

[Speaker 5] (2:11:02 - 2:11:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:02 - 2:11:05)
the parking, right. I think that was a well put comment.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:09 - 2:11:21)
It's also it's also nice if you ever have to do angle parking if it's done that way because I never can tell where the front of my when I'm about to like leave my car sticking out too far, etcetera.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:26 - 2:11:36)
It would be, yeah, it's probably more positive things to, we could list that would have you writing all night,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:36 - 2:11:40)
Krista, but I think these are great, they're great comments.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:42 - 2:11:50)
Yeah, I'm hoping that you're hearing positive from me because my overall feeling is very positive on this.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:50 - 2:11:51)
Me too.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:51 - 2:11:52)
Me too.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:52 - 2:11:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:53 - 2:12:03)
Yeah, I'm pulling up a lot of things. I spend a lot of time doing architectural review in a university, so I unfortunately

[Speaker 3] (2:12:04 - 2:12:08)
I'm sort of wired this way, but it's uh it's hopefully to make things better.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:09 - 2:12:13)
No. And I mean, even the plan that we submitted for our RFP,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:13 - 2:12:15)
I mean, you can see not a lot has changed,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:15 - 2:12:16)
uh and

[Speaker 3] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:16 - 2:12:27)
even when we started really digging into it, um, you gotta think that it, it, the building, buildings uh lay out pretty well I mean for a 60 key hotel, which was the most allowed in the zone,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:27 - 2:12:32)
um again it's gonna be much harder than making it sound.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:33 - 2:12:37)
But we feel good about this program that we have here.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:38 - 2:12:43)
Well, I'm excited about how beautiful those rooms will be. Yeah, those are large rooms. Those They're

[Speaker 1] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:43 - 2:12:45)
are very large rooms. The ceiling height generous is lovely. size.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:46 - 2:12:46)
Incredibly

[Speaker 1] (2:12:46 - 2:12:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:46 - 2:12:47)
generous windows.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:48 - 2:12:50)
And they're really thoughtfully laid out.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:50 - 2:12:55)
Will you be retaining any, like, is it your intent?

[Speaker 3] (2:12:55 - 2:13:02)
I was thrilled to hear that you're thinking of restoring the auditorium in the way you are.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:02 - 2:13:15)
And are you thinking of retaining any of the classroom aspects with the, you know, the big old slate boards and all of the things in there?

[Speaker 3] (2:13:15 - 2:13:19)
I know that they've never not been used until this year,

[Speaker 3] (2:13:19 - 2:13:20)
but I was curious

[Speaker 1] (2:13:20 - 2:13:20)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:13:20 - 2:13:22)
if that was part of your interior design scheme.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:23 - 2:13:29)
some of the, for example, some of the flooring in the classrooms in the main building.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:30 - 2:13:34)
You know, some of them are kind of too far gone. The wood is warped, you know, it's ripped up.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:35 - 2:13:41)
But some of them are actually in quite good shape, albeit having had many layers of lacquer put on over the years.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:41 - 2:13:45)
But if they get refinished and polished,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:45 - 2:13:47)
they're kind of beautiful hardwood floors.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:47 - 2:13:50)
So that will be on a kind of room-by-room basis,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:50 - 2:13:50)
I guess.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:54 - 2:13:56)
In terms of other elements of the interior,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:56 - 2:13:59)
I mean the terazzo floor in the hallways,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:59 - 2:14:00)
no reason to touch that,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:01 - 2:14:03)
cleaning up the stairwells as we talked about.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:05 - 2:14:11)
Now there's, I mean our intent is to kind of celebrate the fact that this was a school and not kind of shy away,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:11 - 2:14:17)
whereas there are some quirky areas that might be odd because it's a school,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:17 - 2:14:20)
you know, of course it's going to be a luxury,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:20 - 2:14:22)
you know, hopefully a luxury offering.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:22 - 2:14:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:23 - 2:14:30)
But we're going to be celebrating the package of school not trying to make it look like a cookie cutter hotel inside of a brick building envelope

[Speaker 3] (2:14:31 - 2:14:33)
Next time you're up here,

[Speaker 3] (2:14:33 - 2:14:39)
in Salem there has been a school renovation that's right near the Hawthorne Hotel.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:40 - 2:14:47)
And it's a Catholic school that has been, we've been watching this being done and it's just such an example of

[Speaker 3] (2:14:48 - 2:14:55)
The bringing back of the windows and so forth, it's really stunning to see it. Um

[Speaker 1] (2:14:55 - 2:14:56)
What's it called?

[Speaker 3] (2:14:57 - 2:14:58)
Oh, what is it called?

[Speaker 7] (2:14:58 - 2:14:58)
It's

[Speaker 3] (2:14:58 - 2:14:59)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (2:14:59 - 2:14:59)
next

[Speaker 3] (2:14:59 - 2:14:59)
Hawthorne,

[Speaker 7] (2:14:59 - 2:14:59)
to the church.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:59 - 2:15:02)
it has the word Hawthorne, it's it is adjacent

[Speaker 1] (2:15:02 - 2:15:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:02 - 2:15:03)
to a church.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:04 - 2:15:04)
And I believe

[Speaker 1] (2:15:04 - 2:15:05)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
it's

[Speaker 3] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
that next Hawthorne

[Speaker 1] (2:15:05 - 2:15:06)
to the Hawthorne

[Speaker 3] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
Street?

[Speaker 1] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
Hotel?

[Speaker 3] (2:15:06 - 2:15:09)
It's it's on the same block as the Hawthorne Hotel.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:09 - 2:15:17)
So if you sort of Google map it and you're facing the front door of the Hawthorne, it's a block down on the same side of the street.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:17 - 2:15:23)
But it's it's a it's a newer building, but the form is very similar. It's a 1940 I was shocked when I saw this. It's a 19

[Speaker 8] (2:15:23 - 2:15:24)
1940 building,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:24 - 2:15:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:25 - 2:15:27)
um but they were building it

[Speaker 8] (2:15:28 - 2:15:30)
really similar style to this one.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:30 - 2:15:33)
It's thirteen Hawthorn Boulevard, the address.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:35 - 2:15:38)
That used to be the uh school that one but um

[Speaker 8] (2:15:39 - 2:15:40)
Yeah, that's a church's school.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:41 - 2:15:41)
Now

[Speaker 1] (2:15:41 - 2:15:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:42 - 2:15:44)
My at parents got married in the church.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:48 - 2:15:54)
And they they have a wing off the back that I believe was the gymnasium, and that looks like they're retaining they didn't

[Speaker 1] (2:15:54 - 2:15:55)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:55 - 2:15:57)
turn it into apartments and if you drive

[Speaker 3] (2:15:57 - 2:15:57)
It's nothing like

[Speaker 8] (2:15:57 - 2:15:57)
to the back

[Speaker 3] (2:15:57 - 2:15:58)
condos, right? Is that what it's apartments? going to be?

[Speaker 8] (2:15:58 - 2:15:58)
set,

[Speaker 8] (2:15:59 - 2:15:59)
apparently. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:59 - 2:15:59)
Apartments?

[Speaker 8] (2:15:59 - 2:16:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:01 - 2:16:01)
Nice.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:01 - 2:16:03)
But it's a it's a beautiful example.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:03 - 2:16:05)
They're called the Hawthorne Lofts.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:05 - 2:16:06)
The Hawthorn Lofts?

[Speaker 5] (2:16:06 - 2:16:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:06 - 2:16:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:07 - 2:16:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:07 - 2:16:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:08 - 2:16:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:09 - 2:16:11)
Helps having a Salem zoning board member here.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:16 - 2:16:19)
Any other comments we want to provide to Dixon? I think this was incredibly helpful,

[Speaker 3] (2:16:19 - 2:16:26)
having not really heard much about the hotel from a planning perspective since we approved the zoning four years ago.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:27 - 2:16:30)
So it's really nice to have you here and present this. This has been really valuable.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:31 - 2:16:36)
Yeah, very exciting to see it coming to fruition and such a beautiful job.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:37 - 2:16:38)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:38 - 2:16:42)
Do you have a scheduled goal for opening?

[Speaker 1] (2:16:44 - 2:16:45)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:45 - 2:16:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:45 - 2:16:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:46 - 2:16:47)
I won't speak to that here.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:48 - 2:16:48)
Yeah. That's fine.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:49 - 2:16:49)
I know I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:16:49 - 2:16:50)
But honesty

[Speaker 8] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
going to be honest.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:50 - 2:16:51)
is key.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:51 - 2:16:53)
Yeah, because we can give you a January 10.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:53 - 2:16:54)
Yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:55 - 2:16:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:57 - 2:16:58)
That's what we're selling tonight.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:58 - 2:16:59)
Beautiful.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:59 - 2:17:03)
Well, I know we're all eager for that to happen as soon as you're able to make it work.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:05 - 2:17:23)
I think without any further comments from the board, I think we've got the comments that we provided to Christa, we can clean those up and if anyone has any additional comments between now and um I believe we're sending this to the select board next week I want to say. So any other comments send feel free to send directly to Christa, um we can incorporate them into our note.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:23 - 2:17:28)
Yeah, I would say if you could get those to me within the next day or so,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:28 - 2:17:31)
we're hoping to get

[Speaker 5] (2:17:32 - 2:17:40)
these comments um to the churning administrators office as soon as possible to get posted for the Slack board to review. So

[Speaker 8] (2:17:40 - 2:17:41)
Great, perfect.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:44 - 2:17:46)
Alright. With that, thank you Dixon, appreciate you coming.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:46 - 2:17:47)
Yeah, thank

[Speaker 1] (2:17:47 - 2:17:47)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (2:17:47 - 2:17:47)
you.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:47 - 2:17:47)
you.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:47 - 2:17:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:47 - 2:17:48)
Nice to

[Speaker 8] (2:17:48 - 2:17:48)
See you.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:48 - 2:17:48)
see you, sir.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:49 - 2:17:50)
Have a nice night.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:50 - 2:17:51)
Oh look,

[Speaker 8] (2:17:51 - 2:17:51)
Dixon,

[Speaker 9] (2:17:51 - 2:17:51)
it's

[Speaker 8] (2:17:51 - 2:17:53)
Dixon, can you indulge us for one more moment.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:54 - 2:17:54)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:56 - 2:17:58)
Um we do have a member of the public who would like to be heard on this, so I would

[Speaker 1] (2:17:59 - 2:17:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:59 - 2:18:01)
Welcome, welcome their comment.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:05 - 2:18:06)
Thank you. I appreciate being heard.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:06 - 2:18:07)
Mara Lau,

[Speaker 5] (2:18:07 - 2:18:08)
Outlook Road.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:09 - 2:18:23)
It sticks in just a couple of things that I'd like to say to the board that were said at the public meeting so that they get included and not overlooked would be along the

[Speaker 5] (2:18:24 - 2:18:35)
You know, on the Reddington side, so both sides, the parking lot, screening in the parking lot for lights was definitely a huge part of that meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:35 - 2:18:36)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:36 - 2:18:40)
So I certainly want to make sure that that gets locked in and is not overlooked.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:42 - 2:18:45)
I think rat mitigation was definitely a piece,

[Speaker 5] (2:18:46 - 2:18:46)
so.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:47 - 2:18:54)
I don't think it can be said enough. We are experiencing like in many communities, um you know uh a rat problem and and

[Speaker 1] (2:19:15 - 2:19:24)
of drop off and sort of you know for services at the back so you know just being mindful that there's enough turnaround

[Speaker 2] (2:19:24 - 2:19:25)
circulation.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:25 - 2:19:41)
yeah definitely that seemed pretty tight against that that stone wall to me certainly but I'm just sort of mindful of that I'm just trying to go through the list of things that were brought up that evening and and you know I do think that

[Speaker 1] (2:19:41 - 2:20:07)
Lynn Scott will need some attention and so this is you know our last town property that is being given over for this and you know I think that that you know from a pilot perspective we're we're we're giving plenty I think that it would be great if if you and your team could consider

[Speaker 1] (2:20:08 - 2:20:11)
giving Lynn Scott Park a real heavy refresh.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:19)
And so that could be, you know, part of our conversations down the road. That is a park that we, you know, it's forever land for our town,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:19 - 2:20:20)
which we appreciate.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:22 - 2:20:25)
You know, there were there were a whole lot of cars on it this weekend,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:26 - 2:20:31)
you know, with with the auto kind of classic car fair. Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:31 - 2:20:33)
the classic car fair was there.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:34 - 2:20:34)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:34 - 2:20:37)
you know, there's there's a bit more of a give and take.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:38 - 2:20:39)
Not all I'm sorry,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:39 - 2:20:39)
Ted,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:40 - 2:20:50)
but not all citizens who pay plenty of taxes as well in town are in favor of this project at all. And I am making it very clear and have made it very clear for, you know, years.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:50 - 2:21:16)
that I am not at all in favor of this and we did vote on a public space in the there so we'll have to be having further discussions about that as well but just real quick I you know from a logistics standpoint point I was a little concerned that the basement actually didn't line up for your elevator so the basement on the main level

[Speaker 1] (2:21:17 - 2:21:21)
So just be kind of take a look at that too, since Ger and I know the building so well.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:24 - 2:21:25)
Thank you for your time.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:28 - 2:21:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:32 - 2:21:34)
More when you said the basement doesn't line up, what do you mean?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:42)
The main building, the elevator for ADA access, it would have to I think because the um

[Speaker 1] (2:21:43 - 2:21:46)
The breezeway was on a higher plane, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:47 - 2:21:48)
You would have to go down.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:48 - 2:21:49)
So unless you're

[Speaker 4] (2:21:49 - 2:21:49)
They

[Speaker 1] (2:21:49 - 2:21:50)
digging

[Speaker 4] (2:21:50 - 2:21:50)
have down, they

[Speaker 1] (2:21:50 - 2:21:51)
it'd

[Speaker 4] (2:21:51 - 2:21:51)
are

[Speaker 1] (2:21:51 - 2:21:51)
have to be

[Speaker 4] (2:21:51 - 2:21:51)
digging

[Speaker 1] (2:21:51 - 2:21:51)
significantly,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:51 - 2:21:52)
They are digging

[Speaker 5] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52)
we're digging down.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:52 - 2:21:53)
you're

[Speaker 4] (2:21:53 - 2:21:53)
they're digging

[Speaker 1] (2:21:53 - 2:21:53)
digging down.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:53 - 2:21:55)
they're digging down so they've made the entire

[Speaker 1] (2:21:55 - 2:21:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:55 - 2:21:56)
thing accessible

[Speaker 1] (2:21:56 - 2:21:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:56 - 2:21:56)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:21:56 - 2:21:57)
All right.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:57 - 2:21:58)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:21:58 - 2:22:01)
So the digging down is really going to change.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:04 - 2:22:07)
It's really going to change then the...

[Speaker 1] (2:22:09 - 2:22:16)
Extension, right, is gonna c change the kindergarten wing. Can't think of the name of it.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:16 - 2:22:32)
Uh they're basically that that breeze way is being removed and this tower being placed there. So it will go down into the ground so that it has this ability to be accessed from an elevator that stops on half floors or not even half floor, like a quarter floor.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:32 - 2:22:33)
So change the grade too entirely.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:35 - 2:22:39)
Uh that if you that area is

[Speaker 1] (2:22:39 - 2:22:39)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:22:39 - 2:22:39)
the grades

[Speaker 1] (2:22:39 - 2:22:39)
know.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:39 - 2:22:39)
all wiggly.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:39 - 2:22:40)
Yeah yeah yeah, it So is.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:40 - 2:22:42)
it'll it'll just sort of normalise the grade.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:43 - 2:22:47)
But they th th th they've their plan is making it fully accessible, which is

[Speaker 1] (2:22:47 - 2:22:58)
And then the other thing that I brought up which was the walkway. I really think that the walkway coming through Lynn Scott and having an opening so that people can get from that side of town

[Speaker 1] (2:22:59 - 2:23:21)
cross the property safely, like similar to, you know, the your residence or you know your your patrons would be crossing the property. It's just so that it's not locked off from the Elmwood side um of Linscott Park. I just think it really does, you know, the foot traffic a tremendous amount of disservice.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:21 - 2:23:25)
I think that the uh idea of adding bikes somewhere in there or a bike

[Speaker 1] (2:23:26 - 2:23:30)
um you know locking storage or blue bikes maybe even uh

[Speaker 4] (2:23:30 - 2:23:30)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:23:30 - 2:23:35)
is fantastic. I think that's a that's a good ad. Thanks again.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:35 - 2:23:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:36 - 2:23:36)
Thanks.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:38 - 2:23:44)
I was remiss calling for public comment, and I think we also have members online. If there's anyone online who wants to make a public comment,

[Speaker 6] (2:23:44 - 2:23:46)
they can feel free to raise their hand and indicate.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:52 - 2:23:53)
Seeing none.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:55 - 2:23:58)
Dixon, thank you for hanging around for a few minutes, appreciate it.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:59 - 2:24:02)
Dixon, I do have one more question on this on the site plan.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:04 - 2:24:15)
What is with the parking lot, I know that this is just a proposed site plan, but there's no there are no elevation lines.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:17 - 2:24:28)
Is the idea that that this will be leveled and then retaining walls put in or what's the what's the plan because that's got a significant slope up to the rear right corner.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:28 - 2:24:41)
Yeah, and we talked about this at the public hearing with the neighbour who was in attendance, I'm forgetting their name, but there will need to be a retaining wall kind of dug into that far right of the plan if you're looking at it.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:43 - 2:24:45)
To allow for that parking,

[Speaker 7] (2:24:45 - 2:24:48)
because that slope does, as you correctly pointed out, does increase.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:48 - 2:24:55)
So that would pull the parking out of line with sight a little bit more too.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:56 - 2:24:57)
I guess it would be level,

[Speaker 7] (2:24:57 - 2:25:02)
it would just be kind of brought down modestly on

[Speaker 4] (2:25:02 - 2:25:03)
Right, right.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:03 - 2:25:04)
that front of the property.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:05 - 2:25:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:10 - 2:25:12)
And one last question for me. I'm noticing your heights here,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:12 - 2:25:21)
just a couple inches below what the dimensionality is for the overlay district. Is that height measured,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:21 - 2:25:26)
where is that measured to? Is that the midpoint of the new structure there,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:26 - 2:25:27)
the roof on there?

[Speaker 7] (2:25:28 - 2:25:30)
Which, what measurement do you have?

[Speaker 4] (2:25:30 - 2:25:32)
64 feet, 10 inches for the height,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:32 - 2:25:33)
proposed height.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:36 - 2:25:41)
existing of 52 feet four inches, so I'm assuming it's that new access, eighty eight tower of the elevator.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:41 - 2:25:42)
Okay, yeah, that

[Speaker 6] (2:25:42 - 2:25:43)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (2:25:43 - 2:25:43)
has to be.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:43 - 2:25:44)
got it.

[Speaker 8] (2:25:45 - 2:25:50)
Ted, I I think that was also specified in the R_P_ but I d I have to go back and check.

[Speaker 8] (2:25:51 - 2:25:55)
Then we created different um there were some unique uh

[Speaker 8] (2:25:56 - 2:25:57)
Not necessarily unique,

[Speaker 8] (2:25:57 - 2:25:59)
everything's pretty compliant,

[Speaker 8] (2:25:59 - 2:26:06)
but we may have included the fact that the existing height of the building is indeed higher than other zoning,

[Speaker 8] (2:26:06 - 2:26:09)
so there was the understanding that the building would remain.

[Speaker 8] (2:26:10 - 2:26:15)
And there would be other pregnancies on the roof that may extend it. So that

[Speaker 6] (2:26:15 - 2:26:16)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:26:16 - 2:26:19)
was, I can't remember the exact verbiage, but it was in the RFA.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:19 - 2:26:27)
Yeah, no, that was my recollection as well. I'm just noting that the proposed is two inches below what's the zoning mandate.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:27 - 2:26:33)
So I just want to make sure we're, you know, all the bricks are laid evenly so you're not one inch, two inches too high. You know what I'm saying?

[Speaker 7] (2:26:34 - 2:26:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:35 - 2:26:42)
Um anyway, looks great. Really appreciate you coming tonight. Any other questions? Before I tell Dixon he can sign off for the fourth time tonight.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:46 - 2:26:47)
Dixon, thank you again.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:47 - 2:26:48)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (2:26:48 - 2:26:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:48 - 2:26:49)
Really appreciate

[Speaker 7] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
Thank you all

[Speaker 6] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
it.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
very much.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:49 - 2:26:50)
Have a nice night.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:51 - 2:26:51)
Thank you, you too.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:55 - 2:27:01)
I believe that concludes everything that we had on our agenda. Is that right? I don't have a copy in front of me, so

[Speaker 6] (2:27:01 - 2:27:02)
That would be.

[Speaker 9] (2:27:03 - 2:27:06)
So we did have agenda number five,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:06 - 2:27:10)
which was review and discussion of potential changes to the Somscott zoning bylaw.

[Speaker 9] (2:27:11 - 2:27:14)
We do not have much of an update for that right now,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:14 - 2:27:23)
but I do anticipate having an update with best practices for both signage and expanded multifamily use zoning for November.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:24 - 2:27:24)
Perfect.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:24 - 2:27:27)
I think you had shared with me that there was some GIS.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:27 - 2:27:28)
Updates that you've

[Speaker 9] (2:27:28 - 2:27:29)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (2:27:29 - 2:27:29)
collected?

[Speaker 9] (2:27:29 - 2:27:31)
so yes, some exciting updates.

[Speaker 9] (2:27:32 - 2:27:35)
We have GIS licenses for both Tim,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:35 - 2:27:36)
our new, well,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:36 - 2:27:38)
first exciting update,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:38 - 2:27:40)
we have hired a new land use planner.

[Speaker 9] (2:27:40 - 2:27:45)
His name is Tim Milliken in our office, which is very exciting.

[Speaker 9] (2:27:45 - 2:27:54)
And he and I have both obtained GIS licenses, so we will be able to do GIS analysis as well as just...

[Speaker 9] (2:27:55 - 2:28:00)
map making and visualization for purposes of planning for the town.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:00 - 2:28:01)
Perfect.

[Speaker 9] (2:28:01 - 2:28:14)
So we're very excited about that and there is I know some parcel size analysis that we plan to do for the expanded multifamily use zoning that we talked about last month.

[Speaker 9] (2:28:15 - 2:28:17)
So that is on our list of things to do.

[Speaker 9] (2:28:18 - 2:28:23)
We are currently just getting all the data weekend together and so.

[Speaker 9] (2:28:24 - 2:28:28)
We have a few things to set up before we can get crunchy into analysis,

[Speaker 9] (2:28:28 - 2:28:31)
but we will have updates at the November meeting.

[Speaker 9] (2:28:31 - 2:28:34)
So I kept this on the agenda for right now,

[Speaker 9] (2:28:34 - 2:28:37)
but that's the only updates we have right now.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:37 - 2:28:47)
Thank you. I think that audit of lot sizes is something I know we've kind of talked about in theory for like since I've been on the board at least. So for at least almost five years.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49)
So I think having that.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:53 - 2:29:08)
Only other updates I have to share are colleagues on the tree committee I believe had a bylaw that they had shared with Krissa and myself.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:09 - 2:29:29)
Um so I looked at it a cursory level, but I offered them the opportunity to do the same things that our friends on the Renewable Energy Committee did, um or Resilience Wamscott did last month or two months ago, um for comments and feedback from planning. Um so that that may come before us in November, but just wanted to give everyone a heads up on that.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:31 - 2:29:35)
Alright, I think with that I can entertain a motion to adjourn unless there's any other new business to discuss.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:36 - 2:29:37)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:37 - 2:29:38)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:38 - 2:29:40)
All right, all those in favor? Let's do a roll call.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:41 - 2:29:42)
Angela Ippolito.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:43 - 2:29:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:43 - 2:29:43)
She's

[Speaker 1] (2:29:43 - 2:29:43)
Karen?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:43 - 2:29:43)
you said

[Speaker 2] (2:29:43 - 2:29:44)
not.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:44 - 2:29:44)
aye aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:44 - 2:29:44)
High.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45)
Bill

[Speaker 3] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45)
High.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45)
Quinn.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:45 - 2:29:46)
High.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:46 - 2:29:48)
Kara Germa, aye. Ippolito, aye. All right, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:49 - 2:29:49)
Thank you everyone.