[Speaker 1] (3:16 - 3:31)
Okay, all right, we will call the what's the date today? Oh God, November 10th meeting of the Swampscott Planning Board to order. Uh first on the agenda is approval of past minutes. Um Crista just had a chance to compile these and give those to us so I think we should punt these to next month.

[Speaker 1] (3:32 - 3:34)
That works for everyone.

[Speaker 2] (3:34 - 3:34)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (3:34 - 3:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:35 - 3:38)
All right, to punt that to next month.

[Speaker 1] (3:38 - 3:41)
So Crystal, let's just make sure to add that to our December agenda and

[Speaker 3] (3:41 - 3:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:41 - 3:49)
then we'll take the next item a little out of order just for a moment called petition 25-20,

[Speaker 1] (3:49 - 3:56)
55 Puritan Road by Peter Solaris. I am recused from this due to being a abutting property owner.

[Speaker 1] (3:56 - 4:01)
So with that, I will hand it over to the rest of the board to elect a temporary chairman.

[Speaker 4] (4:03 - 4:05)
I can make a motion.

[Speaker 4] (4:06 - 4:12)
Two, I can elect Bill as temporary chair.

[Speaker 4] (4:15 - 4:16)
I second.

[Speaker 5] (4:16 - 4:17)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (4:17 - 4:18)
Can't second it.

[Speaker 4] (4:18 - 4:18)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (4:18 - 4:19)
Okay. Aye.

[Speaker 4] (4:19 - 4:19)
all in favor.

[Speaker 1] (4:20 - 4:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (4:24 - 4:30)
Okay, so 2025-20, 55 Peering Road.

[Speaker 1] (4:33 - 4:33)
All Right. right.

[Speaker 1] (4:35 - 4:37)
Someone here to speak on that?

[Speaker 4] (4:39 - 4:40)
Well, excuse me, Bill,

[Speaker 4] (4:40 - 4:46)
but I think we're actually going to jump in.

[Speaker 4] (4:47 - 4:58)
But I think what we're trying to do is, because we don't have a quorum, I mean, we have a quorum, but we don't have a super majority, so we cannot vote on any special permits.

[Speaker 4] (4:59 - 5:05)
without a super majority and because Ted has to recuse himself it's only the three of us so

[Speaker 1] (5:05 - 5:05)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (5:05 - 5:19)
the idea was that we would continue this without prejudice of course to hopefully a meeting that will be scheduled in the very near future perhaps next week well

[Speaker 1] (5:19 - 5:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (5:19 - 5:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (5:20 - 5:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (5:20 - 5:20)
um

[Speaker 5] (5:21 - 5:25)
Thank you, Angela. So just to be clear, are you the petitioners?

[Speaker 6] (5:25 - 5:25)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (5:25 - 5:27)
Okay. Were you aware of this or

[Speaker 6] (5:27 - 5:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (5:27 - 5:28)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (5:28 - 5:28)
Yeah, we were told

[Speaker 5] (5:28 - 5:28)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (5:28 - 5:29)
on November

[Speaker 5] (5:29 - 5:32)
I I'll take a motion then to uh to

[Speaker 5] (5:34 - 5:44)
So I would move to um continue this without prejudice to a November seventeenth meeting, a week from tonight, seven o'clock same location.

[Speaker 4] (5:44 - 5:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (5:45 - 5:45)
Do we set

[Speaker 4] (5:45 - 5:46)
Uh

[Speaker 5] (5:46 - 5:46)
up

[Speaker 4] (5:46 - 5:46)
second.

[Speaker 5] (5:46 - 5:46)
the meeting?

[Speaker 4] (5:47 - 5:48)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (5:48 - 5:54)
Okay, we'll take a roll call vote uh 'cause we're online. Uh, I'm Bill Quain. I, chair.

[Speaker 5] (5:55 - 5:55)
I.

[Speaker 5] (5:55 - 5:56)
Angela?

[Speaker 4] (5:56 - 5:57)
Angela Evangelina, aye.

[Speaker 5] (5:58 - 6:06)
Okay, thanks. Uh with that we'll bring uh Citizen Dooley back, uh who is Chairman Dooley.

[Speaker 5] (6:06 - 6:06)
Turn him into.

[Speaker 7] (6:07 - 6:08)
All right, thank you very much.

[Speaker 5] (6:09 - 6:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (6:10 - 6:10)
Do we

[Speaker 4] (6:10 - 6:10)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (6:10 - 6:10)
discuss

[Speaker 4] (6:10 - 6:11)
you, dear.

[Speaker 7] (6:11 - 6:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (6:12 - 6:15)
Okay, thank you for indulging me on that.

[Speaker 7] (6:15 - 6:16)
Thank you

[Speaker 1] (6:16 - 6:18)
Thank you. We'll see you next month.

[Speaker 1] (6:20 - 6:20)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (6:20 - 6:24)
up next we have petition 25-19 for 15 Manson Street.

[Speaker 1] (6:25 - 6:27)
Is there anyone here to speak on behalf of the petitioner?

[Speaker 8] (6:27 - 6:28)
Yeah, my name's

[Speaker 5] (6:28 - 6:28)
All right.

[Speaker 8] (6:28 - 6:29)
John Andrews.

[Speaker 8] (6:29 - 6:31)
We're with JFA Design Group.

[Speaker 8] (6:32 - 6:36)
And that's how I can just get started.

[Speaker 1] (6:36 - 6:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (6:36 - 6:37)
All right, great.

[Speaker 4] (6:37 - 6:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (6:37 - 6:40)
So what we have is an EDU project here.

[Speaker 8] (6:41 - 6:46)
Uh going on the as you can see through some of the pictures here, this will be going on to the right side of the home.

[Speaker 8] (6:50 - 7:08)
Okay. And it is within the nine hundred square feet. The existing home uh, of course is over that and uh half of that is will be the nine hundred square feet. It'll be a single story. It meets all the setback requirements, the front, the side.

[Speaker 8] (7:09 - 7:10)
Of course, the rear,

[Speaker 8] (7:10 - 7:13)
and also the height requirement.

[Speaker 8] (7:14 - 7:22)
We do have a landscape plan here labelled L1, very basic landscape plan showing where we would like to put in a driveway.

[Speaker 8] (7:23 - 7:27)
And the driveway is coming off the existing driveway, not off the street.

[Speaker 8] (7:28 - 7:37)
Also in the landscape plan you can see we have just some very basic exterior residential lighting just around the door.

[Speaker 5] (7:38 - 7:40)
And at the back of the building,

[Speaker 5] (7:40 - 7:42)
there is an alcove back there,

[Speaker 5] (7:42 - 7:44)
which is a small courtyard.

[Speaker 5] (7:44 - 7:48)
So there'll be some existing lighting there. And as you can look by the plans,

[Speaker 5] (7:48 - 7:53)
there will be a French door out to that area.

[Speaker 5] (7:54 - 7:54)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (7:55 - 7:58)
what else? Oh, also all the walk, there's a few walkways here.

[Speaker 5] (7:59 - 8:03)
Just one walkway coming off of the existing driveway.

[Speaker 8] (8:04 - 8:11)
And that'll be for the front entrance of this proposed ADU and like I mentioned there's also in the area in the back to get in.

[Speaker 8] (8:13 - 8:25)
Let's see so you can take a look at EX1 which shows the existing front elevation and then of course A1 continues on to what it will look like ultimately.

[Speaker 8] (8:29 - 8:37)
Then also A2 is the side elevation. It shows you the reflection onto the existing house and roof line.

[Speaker 8] (8:42 - 8:48)
I want to check to the floor plans. This is built on a crawl space,

[Speaker 8] (8:49 - 8:54)
not on a full foundation. Uh that's shown in

[Speaker 8] (8:55 - 8:59)
A4, and then of course you can see through the floor plans A5,

[Speaker 8] (8:59 - 9:00)
a

[Speaker 8] (9:01 - 9:02)
six roof plan,

[Speaker 8] (9:02 - 9:10)
and then finally the pictures on the back show an overhead view in sort of, not to detail,

[Speaker 8] (9:10 - 9:11)
that's on the plot plan,

[Speaker 8] (9:12 - 9:16)
it shows the marking exactly where this addition will happen.

[Speaker 8] (9:27 - 9:35)
We also have here a community letter signed by a few of the

[Speaker 8] (9:36 - 9:41)
uh... abutters, eleven Mason nineteen and twelve Mason.

[Speaker 8] (9:41 - 9:42)
And

[Speaker 9] (9:42 - 9:43)
Okay, that's eleven man.

[Speaker 8] (9:43 - 9:47)
eleven Mason, nineteen Mason and twelve. Yep.

[Speaker 8] (9:50 - 9:53)
We had last time there was an issue with the

[Speaker 8] (9:53 - 9:55)
Address, all that's been cleared up.

[Speaker 8] (9:55 - 9:57)
You can see on the plot plan.

[Speaker 1] (10:01 - 10:02)
That's it. We're ready to take any questions.

[Speaker 2] (10:04 - 10:10)
Do you have a, did, were you able to submit a copy of that, um, your neighbor's support to Kristen?

[Speaker 1] (10:10 - 10:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (10:10 - 10:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (10:10 - 10:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (10:11 - 10:11)
It's in the folder.

[Speaker 2] (10:11 - 10:12)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (10:12 - 10:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (10:12 - 10:14)
We have some more copies here too if you'd like

[Speaker 2] (10:14 - 10:14)
And

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:14)
to see

[Speaker 2] (10:14 - 10:14)
it's

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:14)
them.

[Speaker 2] (10:14 - 10:14)
11,

[Speaker 2] (10:14 - 10:15)
12, and 19.

[Speaker 1] (10:15 - 10:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (10:15 - 10:16)
Perfect. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (10:20 - 10:22)
A couple of questions. The

[Speaker 2] (10:23 - 10:27)
Chair, I'm looking to you, 'cause I know you would probably know this off the back of your hand. What's the

[Speaker 4] (10:27 - 10:27)
Um

[Speaker 2] (10:27 - 10:32)
the legal definition of a bedroom, as a certain square footage plus bath plus closet?

[Speaker 4] (10:33 - 10:36)
Uh I do not know it off the the um

[Speaker 2] (10:36 - 10:37)
I didn't mean to set you up there.

[Speaker 4] (10:37 - 10:38)
Yeah, thank you man.

[Speaker 1] (10:39 - 10:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (10:40 - 10:41)
Ninety square feet or something, I'm sure.

[Speaker 4] (10:41 - 10:46)
Yeah, and I don't have a um what are the dimensions on the

[Speaker 2] (10:47 - 10:48)
That yeah, the office

[Speaker 4] (10:48 - 10:48)
the office

[Speaker 2] (10:48 - 10:49)
and the bedroom.

[Speaker 4] (10:49 - 10:49)
den bedroom.

[Speaker 1] (10:51 - 10:52)
Oh, the office den bedroom?

[Speaker 4] (10:52 - 10:52)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (10:52 - 10:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:54)
Is eight by ten.

[Speaker 1] (10:57 - 11:00)
These plans did go to the building inspector.

[Speaker 2] (11:00 - 11:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:00 - 11:07)
Before they came here, we went over with them. And uh yeah, he said everything was fine as far as that goes.

[Speaker 2] (11:08 - 11:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:08 - 11:16)
And that office den there too is mainly gonna probably be just an office. We do have the closet in there. And then we have do have access to an entry into the bathroom.

[Speaker 5] (11:26 - 11:29)
So you said there is a closet in there? Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (11:29 - 11:30)
Yes, there is.

[Speaker 5] (11:30 - 11:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (11:33 - 11:35)
So the reason why I ask that is because we have a INI fee,

[Speaker 2] (11:35 - 11:39)
infiltration and inflow fee,

[Speaker 2] (11:39 - 11:40)
inflow and infiltration fee.

[Speaker 2] (11:40 - 11:47)
So I just want to make sure we're calculating the right fee for you guys as part of our decision and I know the building inspector will do his due diligence

[Speaker 1] (11:47 - 11:47)
Oh, I understand.

[Speaker 2] (11:47 - 11:48)
on the same.

[Speaker 1] (11:48 - 11:48)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (11:48 - 11:50)
That's why that distinction is.

[Speaker 1] (11:50 - 11:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (11:50 - 11:51)
No,

[Speaker 2] (11:51 - 11:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:51 - 11:51)
that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (11:54 - 12:01)
The um is there any y uh you mentioned there's a courtyard here, I see the labelled patio between

[Speaker 1] (12:01 - 12:01)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (12:01 - 12:01)
the A_

[Speaker 1] (12:01 - 12:02)
that's a patio right to the rear.

[Speaker 2] (12:02 - 12:06)
is there gonna be any s stonework, deck, anything like that?

[Speaker 1] (12:06 - 12:07)
There'll be stone pavers.

[Speaker 2] (12:07 - 12:08)
Pavers, okay.

[Speaker 1] (12:08 - 12:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (12:09 - 12:11)
Um impermeable pavers,

[Speaker 1] (12:11 - 12:11)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (12:11 - 12:11)
I'm assuming.

[Speaker 1] (12:11 - 12:12)
exactly.

[Speaker 2] (12:16 - 12:18)
I don't see a calculation on here,

[Speaker 2] (12:18 - 12:20)
but I'd be very surprised if you're in excess of your

[Speaker 4] (12:21 - 12:22)
permeable lot coverage

[Speaker 1] (12:22 - 12:22)
That's

[Speaker 4] (12:22 - 12:22)
and

[Speaker 1] (12:22 - 12:23)
what the surveyor was saying.

[Speaker 5] (12:24 - 12:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (12:24 - 12:25)
The engineer's.

[Speaker 4] (12:25 - 12:27)
you're not near it yeah I can't imagine you'd be close

[Speaker 5] (12:27 - 12:28)
The yard is large,

[Speaker 5] (12:28 - 12:28)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (12:29 - 12:29)
yeah

[Speaker 5] (12:29 - 12:31)
Are you adding any landscaping?

[Speaker 1] (12:32 - 12:38)
No, just the walkway area in that bit of pavement area.

[Speaker 1] (12:38 - 12:39)
No, we're not adding any other than that.

[Speaker 5] (12:40 - 12:41)
No trees,

[Speaker 5] (12:41 - 12:42)
no shrubs,

[Speaker 1] (12:42 - 12:42)
No

[Speaker 5] (12:42 - 12:42)
nothing like

[Speaker 1] (12:42 - 12:42)
trees,

[Speaker 5] (12:42 - 12:42)
that.

[Speaker 1] (12:42 - 12:44)
no shrubs at this time.

[Speaker 5] (12:45 - 12:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (12:47 - 12:49)
um John I have a couple quick questions on your

[Speaker 4] (12:51 - 12:59)
On page A4, it's labeled as a proposed basement plan.

[Speaker 4] (12:59 - 13:01)
We do have a small basement,

[Speaker 4] (13:01 - 13:04)
a small section of the house that's showing this basement.

[Speaker 4] (13:04 - 13:06)
And the crawl space in the rear,

[Speaker 4] (13:06 - 13:10)
the crawl space is in two sections and the rear one appears to have windows,

[Speaker 4] (13:10 - 13:13)
but they don't show on elevation. Are those windows or vents?

[Speaker 4] (13:14 - 13:14)
And if,

[Speaker 4] (13:14 - 13:15)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (13:15 - 13:18)
Yeah, those will basically be vents just by the building code.

[Speaker 1] (13:19 - 13:20)
That's it. Yep.

[Speaker 4] (13:20 - 13:23)
Um, the front section doesn't require vents.

[Speaker 1] (13:24 - 13:34)
And we just put them onto the rear section because in the front crawlspace there they're actually talking about bringing that only two feet down. It might not go the full feet down,

[Speaker 1] (13:34 - 13:36)
meaning where the slab is,

[Speaker 1] (13:36 - 13:38)
not meaning in the perimeter.

[Speaker 1] (13:38 - 13:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (13:40 - 13:43)
So you would have that it have a slab in it,

[Speaker 4] (13:43 - 13:43)
but

[Speaker 1] (13:43 - 13:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (13:43 - 13:43)
you

[Speaker 1] (13:43 - 13:48)
that would get right, so it only goes down two feet, but the perimeter of course all goes around four

[Speaker 4] (13:48 - 13:53)
And feet. he can any but the crawlspace back here is a is four feet deep

[Speaker 1] (13:53 - 13:55)
Yeah, that would like that to be four feet.

[Speaker 1] (13:55 - 13:56)
That's why we put the windows back in there.

[Speaker 4] (13:56 - 14:04)
Okay, I might suggest making sure there's some ventilation in that front section so you don't have moisture damage to the the underside

[Speaker 1] (14:04 - 14:08)
Yeah, so adding a window in there, I'll make that note.

[Speaker 4] (14:11 - 14:15)
This and this is another just in looking at plans, you know the trouble I make.

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:16)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (14:16 - 14:18)
Yes, 'cause I always look at plans. Um

[Speaker 1] (14:18 - 14:18)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (14:18 - 14:23)
just in that office-den bedroom, I'm gonna point out that the door will cover the window when it's open.

[Speaker 1] (14:24 - 14:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (14:25 - 14:26)
So that you So won't

[Speaker 1] (14:26 - 14:26)
that

[Speaker 4] (14:26 - 14:26)
have

[Speaker 1] (14:26 - 14:26)
it

[Speaker 4] (14:26 - 14:35)
any light if the door is open. So if you put look at that door swing and see if if you c you know if that's the only light source light light and ventilation source,

[Speaker 1] (14:35 - 14:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (14:35 - 14:40)
I would I would look at that door carefully and see if that's the right location for it.

[Speaker 1] (14:40 - 14:40)
Awesome.

[Speaker 1] (14:42 - 14:43)
I'll mark that in here.

[Speaker 4] (14:53 - 15:01)
I'm a little bit confused on the driveway location. I'm trying to get my head around it.

[Speaker 4] (15:01 - 15:05)
The street layout is quite interesting.

[Speaker 4] (15:06 - 15:07)
It's an absolute 90

[Speaker 1] (15:07 - 15:07)
It is.

[Speaker 4] (15:07 - 15:14)
degree turn, and oh,

[Speaker 4] (15:17 - 15:17)
I s

[Speaker 4] (15:18 - 15:18)
Do

[Speaker 1] (15:18 - 15:19)
Are

[Speaker 4] (15:19 - 15:19)
what?

[Speaker 1] (15:19 - 15:20)
you looking yeah, so

[Speaker 4] (15:20 - 15:21)
So that telephone pole

[Speaker 1] (15:21 - 15:21)
right

[Speaker 4] (15:21 - 15:23)
is not in the middle of the street,

[Speaker 1] (15:23 - 15:23)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (15:23 - 15:24)
which is kind of like,

[Speaker 1] (15:24 - 15:25)
I know what you're talking about right

[Speaker 4] (15:25 - 15:26)
that they, oh,

[Speaker 4] (15:26 - 15:28)
there's no curb line though, is No there?

[Speaker 1] (15:28 - 15:30)
there's no curb up there either so

[Speaker 4] (15:30 - 15:33)
Okay, so it's sort of free flow blacktop.

[Speaker 1] (15:33 - 15:36)
It is and if you if you yeah right

[Speaker 4] (15:36 - 15:37)
Now I can see,

[Speaker 4] (15:37 - 15:37)
it's just.

[Speaker 4] (15:38 - 15:38)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (15:38 - 15:39)
Yeah, it's a little bit confusing.

[Speaker 4] (15:40 - 15:45)
Yeah, no, it's a lot, it's a lot confusing, but that's how we do sidewalks in Swampskit.

[Speaker 1] (15:45 - 15:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (15:45 - 15:46)
It's, you know, to each a kerb.

[Speaker 1] (15:46 - 15:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (15:47 - 15:47)
Um, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (15:47 - 15:48)
It's a beautiful

[Speaker 4] (15:48 - 15:48)
keeps

[Speaker 1] (15:48 - 15:48)
day out.

[Speaker 4] (15:48 - 15:52)
our, our school-aged children population down,

[Speaker 4] (15:52 - 15:52)
I guess.

[Speaker 4] (15:53 - 15:54)
Um, so,

[Speaker 4] (15:54 - 15:56)
um, okay,

[Speaker 4] (15:56 - 16:02)
so the driveway is, because I noticed the note that the driveway is coming off of the, um, off of the driveway.

[Speaker 1] (16:02 - 16:03)
Yeah, off of the existing.

[Speaker 4] (16:03 - 16:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (16:04 - 16:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (16:04 - 16:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (16:05 - 16:05)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (16:08 - 16:09)
Alright.

[Speaker 5] (16:12 - 16:13)
Oh, I see.

[Speaker 5] (16:13 - 16:15)
Yeah, it is confusing the

[Speaker 4] (16:15 - 16:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (16:15 - 16:15)
way it's

[Speaker 4] (16:15 - 16:15)
it's

[Speaker 5] (16:15 - 16:15)
up.

[Speaker 4] (16:15 - 16:17)
an interesting

[Speaker 5] (16:17 - 16:17)
The front

[Speaker 4] (16:17 - 16:17)
plot

[Speaker 5] (16:17 - 16:17)
of

[Speaker 4] (16:17 - 16:17)
shape.

[Speaker 5] (16:17 - 16:19)
the top, yep, goes down, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (16:19 - 16:24)
Is it raised up? Is that what that darker curve is?

[Speaker 2] (16:25 - 16:26)
Is that like a raised curve?

[Speaker 4] (16:27 - 16:32)
No, I think that's a water stain on the road. It looks like it's a straight line here.

[Speaker 5] (16:34 - 16:35)
Hmm, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (16:35 - 16:36)
Not really.

[Speaker 5] (16:37 - 16:38)
Get his car on

[Speaker 2] (16:38 - 16:39)
It's,

[Speaker 5] (16:39 - 16:39)
the sidewalk

[Speaker 2] (16:39 - 16:39)
I

[Speaker 5] (16:39 - 16:39)
and

[Speaker 2] (16:39 - 16:39)
think

[Speaker 5] (16:39 - 16:40)
start by

[Speaker 2] (16:40 - 16:40)
if

[Speaker 5] (16:40 - 16:40)
acting.

[Speaker 2] (16:40 - 16:43)
you look at that picture just out, just in front of that.

[Speaker 1] (16:43 - 16:44)
Bill, are you talking about to,

[Speaker 1] (16:45 - 16:47)
if I'm facing the house, you're talking about towards the left of the house?

[Speaker 2] (16:47 - 16:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (16:48 - 16:48)
Bill,

[Speaker 2] (16:48 - 16:48)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (16:48 - 16:48)
I'm just.

[Speaker 4] (16:48 - 16:58)
it's, it's, it's, it must have done waterline work that's fresh, fresher, fresher blacktop.

[Speaker 4] (16:59 - 17:01)
It shows it shows in this picture really

[Speaker 2] (17:01 - 17:01)
No,

[Speaker 4] (17:01 - 17:01)
well.

[Speaker 2] (17:01 - 17:02)
that actually is water.

[Speaker 4] (17:03 - 17:04)
It's it's just that it's everywhere

[Speaker 5] (17:05 - 17:05)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (17:06 - 17:07)
Sorry,

[Speaker 2] (17:07 - 17:09)
Angela, we're showing the Google street view.

[Speaker 5] (17:09 - 17:09)
That's okay.

[Speaker 2] (17:09 - 17:10)
I'll

[Speaker 5] (17:10 - 17:10)
I actually

[Speaker 2] (17:10 - 17:10)
go.

[Speaker 5] (17:10 - 17:11)
pulled up the plans myself,

[Speaker 5] (17:12 - 17:14)
so I have it in front of me. I can't see your turn.

[Speaker 4] (17:14 - 17:18)
So it is a quite honestly this right angle except

[Speaker 6] (17:25 - 17:26)
Yeah, so

[Speaker 4] (17:26 - 17:26)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (17:26 - 17:26)
direct

[Speaker 4] (17:26 - 17:26)
wait a

[Speaker 6] (17:26 - 17:26)
turn.

[Speaker 4] (17:26 - 17:28)
second this is in the cars park

[Speaker 1] (17:32 - 17:32)
and

[Speaker 4] (17:32 - 17:36)
There's a, the lot line, this

[Speaker 4] (17:38 - 17:41)
dashed line is the driveway.

[Speaker 4] (17:43 - 17:47)
So there's a, there's a telephone pole in the middle of the street,

[Speaker 4] (17:47 - 17:48)
right there.

[Speaker 5] (17:48 - 17:50)
I think it's supposed to be in the sidewalk for

[Speaker 1] (17:50 - 17:50)
No,

[Speaker 5] (17:50 - 17:50)
like out

[Speaker 1] (17:50 - 17:50)
it's

[Speaker 5] (17:50 - 17:50)
by

[Speaker 1] (17:50 - 17:50)
a sidewalk.

[Speaker 5] (17:50 - 17:51)
the curb.

[Speaker 1] (17:51 - 17:51)
It that's

[Speaker 4] (17:51 - 17:52)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (17:52 - 17:54)
a sidewalk like that's that's

[Speaker 4] (17:54 - 17:56)
Well it's, it's square though.

[Speaker 4] (17:57 - 17:59)
That is literally a water stain.

[Speaker 4] (18:00 - 18:04)
So the sidewalk would come like this, right through here.

[Speaker 4] (18:06 - 18:12)
But it's interesting because they're showing here's the street here.

[Speaker 7] (18:15 - 18:17)
I don't know. Is that a street?

[Speaker 7] (18:18 - 18:19)
That is property line.

[Speaker 4] (18:19 - 18:20)
That's a property line.

[Speaker 7] (18:20 - 18:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (18:25 - 18:27)
It looks like I I don't understand that.

[Speaker 2] (18:29 - 18:33)
But any way that it goes, what's proposed here,

[Speaker 2] (18:35 - 18:37)
if we if we're looking at

[Speaker 4] (18:42 - 18:43)
Does it cop uh

[Speaker 2] (18:43 - 18:44)
Yeah, if we got a L_ of one

[Speaker 4] (18:44 - 18:45)
help?

[Speaker 4] (18:58 - 18:59)
really baffled by this.

[Speaker 1] (19:00 - 19:05)
Do you at the back of the package there's some pictures there of an overhead view looking down?

[Speaker 4] (19:06 - 19:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (19:06 - 19:07)
Does that help?

[Speaker 4] (19:08 - 19:15)
Um it does except that it's when I'm looking at this other plan that it gets really confused.

[Speaker 7] (19:16 - 19:18)
Is that your pavement here?

[Speaker 1] (19:18 - 19:19)
What about the plot plan?

[Speaker 4] (19:19 - 19:24)
Yeah, here's the this is not this dark one it's it's this.

[Speaker 4] (19:25 - 19:26)
that is following

[Speaker 4] (19:29 - 19:34)
that. But I guess that on this plot plan they're showing the sidewalk.

[Speaker 4] (19:36 - 19:39)
It's just interesting. Usually a sidewalk is a right of way on property,

[Speaker 1] (19:39 - 19:40)
Right, right.

[Speaker 4] (19:40 - 19:41)
and in this case,

[Speaker 4] (19:43 - 19:50)
Angela, when you're looking at this, do you see that this in appears that in these plot plans

[Speaker 4] (19:53 - 19:54)
The sidewalk is somehow incorporated

[Speaker 1] (19:58 - 19:58)
there is

[Speaker 2] (19:58 - 19:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (19:58 - 20:00)
no there is no curb,

[Speaker 1] (20:01 - 20:08)
and the telephone pole is basically in the middle of the stree the the

[Speaker 3] (20:08 - 20:08)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (20:08 - 20:08)
town

[Speaker 3] (20:08 - 20:08)
middle of

[Speaker 1] (20:08 - 20:08)
own the street.

[Speaker 3] (20:08 - 20:09)
street.

[Speaker 2] (20:10 - 20:15)
So when I'm looking at it from Google Maps for example, I'm looking down at it and

[Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:20)
Um, that same, you know, water stain or whatever it might be is, is there.

[Speaker 4] (20:21 - 20:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (20:21 - 20:30)
Um, but it looks like there's a sidewalk in front of, you know, the house next to us of nineteen.

[Speaker 2] (20:31 - 20:35)
There's um where their property line is, they seem to have a fence. So

[Speaker 1] (20:35 - 20:36)
I think it's a retaining

[Speaker 2] (20:36 - 20:36)
we seem

[Speaker 1] (20:36 - 20:39)
wall. Is it is there a small retaining wall

[Speaker 5] (20:39 - 20:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (20:39 - 20:39)
in front of the Yes, neighbour?

[Speaker 4] (20:39 - 20:40)
someone walks

[Speaker 1] (20:40 - 20:40)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (20:40 - 20:40)
up here.

[Speaker 5] (20:40 - 20:40)
it's like

[Speaker 1] (20:40 - 20:40)
now

[Speaker 2] (20:40 - 20:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (20:41 - 20:41)
right there, it's

[Speaker 2] (20:41 - 20:42)
So

[Speaker 1] (20:42 - 20:42)
sort

[Speaker 2] (20:42 - 20:42)
is

[Speaker 1] (20:42 - 20:42)
of that L-shaped.

[Speaker 2] (20:42 - 20:43)
on them?

[Speaker 1] (20:43 - 20:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (20:44 - 20:51)
Right, and then that seems to extend over to 15 and then once you get past 15's driveway,

[Speaker 2] (20:51 - 20:57)
it seems like the next house has shoreline landscapes, whatever.

[Speaker 2] (20:57 - 21:01)
That next house, I guess you turn onto Valley Road.

[Speaker 2] (21:02 - 21:03)
It's a different street,

[Speaker 6] (21:03 - 21:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (21:03 - 21:04)
is that right?

[Speaker 6] (21:05 - 21:05)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (21:05 - 21:06)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (21:06 - 21:06)
it is.

[Speaker 2] (21:06 - 21:10)
so there's, and then the sidewalk is gone.

[Speaker 1] (21:12 - 21:13)
Yeah, it's sort of a it's

[Speaker 2] (21:13 - 21:15)
Is that one light pole or telephone pole,

[Speaker 2] (21:16 - 21:20)
whatever it is that we're looking at is is on that, you know, one kind of paved,

[Speaker 2] (21:20 - 21:20)
you

[Speaker 1] (21:20 - 21:21)
Area.

[Speaker 2] (21:21 - 21:21)
know, berm,

[Speaker 2] (21:22 - 21:22)
like sidewalk,

[Speaker 2] (21:23 - 21:23)
you know.

[Speaker 7] (21:23 - 21:24)
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (21:26 - 21:28)
And that's the city limits, right?

[Speaker 8] (21:29 - 21:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (21:29 - 21:30)
Your neighbor is city of Lynn?

[Speaker 8] (21:30 - 21:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (21:32 - 21:35)
So that's probably adding to the difference.

[Speaker 2] (21:36 - 21:40)
Yeah, why not throw something else in there or confuse it a little more.

[Speaker 7] (21:40 - 21:41)
exactly

[Speaker 1] (21:44 - 21:48)
Alright, and I'm I'm looking at these dashes.

[Speaker 1] (21:54 - 21:55)
What is this?

[Speaker 2] (21:58 - 21:59)
But what are you looking at now, Jared?

[Speaker 1] (22:00 - 22:03)
Edge of I guess E_P_ is edge of pavement.

[Speaker 2] (22:06 - 22:07)
watching right

[Speaker 1] (22:09 - 22:16)
So I think it's just that it's been paved with no curbing and

[Speaker 2] (22:16 - 22:17)
there's

[Speaker 1] (22:18 - 22:22)
no elevation shift from road to no sidewalk.

[Speaker 2] (22:22 - 22:32)
brand new burning right into the step yeah it's just that bunch of hot top with a burner on it basically or sort of just

[Speaker 1] (22:36 - 22:38)
Utility pole.

[Speaker 1] (22:39 - 22:41)
Oh, here's the utility pole.

[Speaker 1] (22:53 - 22:53)
So

[Speaker 1] (22:58 - 22:59)
utility pole's here.

[Speaker 1] (22:59 - 23:00)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (23:00 - 23:02)
So you're saying this line goes straight across to the edge of the driveway.

[Speaker 1] (23:02 - 23:03)
Yeah, pretty much.

[Speaker 9] (23:03 - 23:05)
So this property line goes up.

[Speaker 1] (23:06 - 23:06)
I think

[Speaker 9] (23:06 - 23:06)
But

[Speaker 1] (23:06 - 23:07)
that one keeps going straight.

[Speaker 9] (23:07 - 23:09)
he and this is Lin or this

[Speaker 7] (23:09 - 23:09)
The

[Speaker 9] (23:09 - 23:09)
is

[Speaker 7] (23:09 - 23:10)
that you guys introduced,

[Speaker 1] (23:10 - 23:10)
This

[Speaker 7] (23:10 - 23:10)
right?

[Speaker 1] (23:10 - 23:11)
is swamps

[Speaker 7] (23:11 - 23:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (23:11 - 23:11)
got.

[Speaker 9] (23:11 - 23:12)
This is Lin.

[Speaker 7] (23:12 - 23:13)
The, uh,

[Speaker 1] (23:13 - 23:13)
Um.

[Speaker 7] (23:13 - 23:14)
I have one swing,

[Speaker 7] (23:14 - 23:16)
right. So this isn't the way

[Speaker 7] (23:16 - 23:19)
So this isn't, yeah, the real, this number,

[Speaker 2] (23:19 - 23:20)
I say this isn't weird.

[Speaker 7] (23:21 - 23:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (23:21 - 23:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (23:23 - 23:26)
We're not struggling with your drawing. We're struggling with Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (23:26 - 23:26)
this

[Speaker 7] (23:26 - 23:26)
no,

[Speaker 1] (23:26 - 23:26)
one.

[Speaker 7] (23:26 - 23:28)
I'm looking down at it. I didn't know up.

[Speaker 10] (23:28 - 23:30)
So we slide actually this line,

[Speaker 10] (23:30 - 23:31)
this intersection,

[Speaker 1] (23:31 - 23:31)
So

[Speaker 7] (23:31 - 23:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (23:31 - 23:31)
this one

[Speaker 1] (23:31 - 23:31)
it's

[Speaker 10] (23:31 - 23:32)
and this one, they are somewhere here.

[Speaker 7] (23:32 - 23:33)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (23:33 - 23:34)
This one goes

[Speaker 7] (23:34 - 23:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (23:34 - 23:35)
here exactly. and comes down.

[Speaker 10] (23:35 - 23:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (23:36 - 23:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (23:37 - 23:45)
So the driveway that you're proposing is basically heading straight into to

[Speaker 7] (23:48 - 23:50)
It's just to the left

[Speaker 1] (23:50 - 23:50)
the bay

[Speaker 7] (23:50 - 23:50)
of the garage,

[Speaker 1] (23:50 - 23:51)
window.

[Speaker 7] (23:51 - 23:51)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (23:52 - 23:53)
Better we know the big one though.

[Speaker 2] (23:55 - 23:59)
It's funny how it looks on this drawing now. It's um, yeah

[Speaker 10] (23:59 - 24:00)
Can't show these pictures.

[Speaker 2] (24:04 - 24:09)
I can see, it's confusing the way the lot lines are drawn and then the

[Speaker 10] (24:09 - 24:11)
This is still the right way. This is the right way.

[Speaker 10] (24:12 - 24:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (24:14 - 24:16)
So I'm slightly confused.

[Speaker 1] (24:17 - 24:18)
confused.

[Speaker 2] (24:18 - 24:21)
I don't think this is the best drawing to look at regarding,

[Speaker 2] (24:21 - 24:23)
um, regarding

[Speaker 2] (24:25 - 24:25)
the, uh,

[Speaker 2] (24:25 - 24:26)
I, I, what,

[Speaker 2] (24:26 - 24:30)
I mean, I'm a little confused with this drawing, I have to tell you that.

[Speaker 2] (24:32 - 24:32)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (24:32 - 24:36)
so there's the street, and where's

[Speaker 2] (24:38 - 24:38)
the,

[Speaker 2] (24:38 - 24:41)
uh, the town line exactly?

[Speaker 1] (24:43 - 24:44)
The computer.

[Speaker 2] (24:48 - 24:48)
Okay,

[Speaker 10] (24:48 - 24:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (24:49 - 24:50)
so

[Speaker 1] (24:50 - 24:52)
Do you want me to help? Oh, yeah,

[Speaker 7] (24:52 - 24:52)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (24:52 - 24:52)
absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (24:52 - 24:53)
you can go to the right.

[Speaker 10] (24:53 - 24:55)
Yeah, I can control when this Okay. was here.

[Speaker 9] (24:55 - 24:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (24:55 - 24:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (24:56 - 24:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (24:56 - 24:56)
So

[Speaker 1] (24:56 - 24:56)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (24:56 - 24:58)
Can I go to that screen, sir?

[Speaker 1] (24:58 - 24:58)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (24:58 - 24:58)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (24:58 - 24:59)
For the TV.

[Speaker 7] (24:59 - 25:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (25:00 - 25:00)
That'd be great.

[Speaker 10] (25:00 - 25:04)
By the way, I'm Jim Johnson, um and my wife, we own the 15 Math and Street.

[Speaker 7] (25:04 - 25:05)
Nice to see you.

[Speaker 9] (25:05 - 25:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (25:05 - 25:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (25:08 - 25:09)
So

[Speaker 10] (25:12 - 25:13)
such a different view right here.

[Speaker 7] (25:13 - 25:14)
We just take the microphone

[Speaker 1] (25:14 - 25:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (25:15 - 25:16)
for if you could.

[Speaker 10] (25:16 - 25:16)
Hello,

[Speaker 7] (25:16 - 25:16)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (25:16 - 25:17)
oh, nice.

[Speaker 10] (25:18 - 25:18)
maybe here.

[Speaker 10] (25:19 - 25:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (25:20 - 25:30)
So this point, actually, I hope this will help to begin with, is actually if you project this all the way to the behind of this white car,

[Speaker 1] (25:30 - 25:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (25:30 - 25:32)
the point is right there. So

[Speaker 10] (25:36 - 25:38)
so this line is this line.

[Speaker 1] (25:39 - 25:40)
Very well.

[Speaker 10] (25:40 - 25:44)
And then from here, right there what that point is, somewhere here,

[Speaker 10] (25:44 - 25:47)
Towards there is

[Speaker 7] (25:47 - 25:47)
the town line?

[Speaker 10] (25:47 - 25:57)
Where's m this is my neighbor's uh property already. So from that point to this point, you we are looking at this point to about this point.

[Speaker 1] (25:57 - 25:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (25:57 - 25:59)
So our lot is actually

[Speaker 10] (26:01 - 26:03)
this, this, up to there and then back.

[Speaker 1] (26:03 - 26:04)
Right,

[Speaker 10] (26:04 - 26:04)
Like

[Speaker 1] (26:04 - 26:04)
okay.

[Speaker 10] (26:04 - 26:08)
this is the town corner. This is very sharp.

[Speaker 2] (26:08 - 26:08)
Ah.

[Speaker 10] (26:08 - 26:10)
And then we just um

[Speaker 10] (26:11 - 26:36)
So this is it. So this used to be like all all soil. So the town only uh put this road. And then this is all soil like so we decided to put asphalt there because a lot of people are complaining of falling on the on the road sometimes the rail man, the delivery pedex or all those source of uh yeah who access this road. So the three of us, have actually this neighbour, Marcus,

[Speaker 10] (26:36 - 26:39)
which is nineteen and Peter

[Speaker 10] (26:39 - 26:49)
Our landlord, so we say uh twelve mansion and this eleven. So the three of us just put money in together and we as part of this uh this part.

[Speaker 1] (26:50 - 26:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (26:50 - 26:57)
And then, you know, we then we avoided those complaints of you know people falling on the roads, especially the USPS people,

[Speaker 10] (26:57 - 26:58)
for a FedEx, U_S_ U_S_

[Speaker 2] (26:58 - 26:59)
Wow.

[Speaker 10] (26:59 - 27:06)
people. So yeah, that's why it looks confusing. Sorry about that. So again, this line up to this point to there

[Speaker 10] (27:07 - 27:09)
Is this line.

[Speaker 7] (27:09 - 27:10)
Not your street.

[Speaker 10] (27:10 - 27:11)
I hope they don't have to.

[Speaker 1] (27:11 - 27:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (27:12 - 27:14)
Yeah. So the space is actually just

[Speaker 9] (27:14 - 27:14)
So

[Speaker 10] (27:14 - 27:14)
this.

[Speaker 9] (27:14 - 27:18)
the sidewalk or what we think of your sidewalk is actually on their property.

[Speaker 7] (27:18 - 27:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (27:18 - 27:23)
Right. So that's where a sidewalk would be, so you paved the whole thing.

[Speaker 10] (27:23 - 27:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (27:24 - 27:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (27:24 - 27:27)
Yeah. This is why the post ended up in the middle of the road.

[Speaker 7] (27:27 - 27:29)
The property line almost reflects the curve of the road.

[Speaker 10] (27:29 - 27:29)
Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (27:30 - 27:32)
Okay, so this thing here...

[Speaker 7] (27:32 - 27:32)
A wet mark.

[Speaker 1] (27:33 - 27:34)
is

[Speaker 1] (27:36 - 27:38)
So this is your this is your lot line.

[Speaker 1] (27:41 - 27:44)
I still don't understand why they're calling that out but

[Speaker 10] (27:44 - 27:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (27:44 - 27:45)
be you didn't

[Speaker 1] (27:46 - 27:49)
That's sort of a right not a right of way if we an easement

[Speaker 9] (27:49 - 27:50)
We can anybody

[Speaker 7] (27:50 - 27:50)
On the sidewalk?

[Speaker 9] (27:50 - 27:51)
see it.

[Speaker 1] (27:51 - 27:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (27:51 - 27:52)
Can anybody

[Speaker 7] (27:52 - 27:52)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (27:52 - 27:52)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 10] (27:52 - 27:52)
see it?

[Speaker 7] (27:52 - 27:53)
private private

[Speaker 10] (27:53 - 27:53)
So

[Speaker 7] (27:53 - 27:53)
property.

[Speaker 10] (27:53 - 28:00)
so I'm trying to copy this profile which is so this is the start of this point.

[Speaker 1] (28:00 - 28:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (28:01 - 28:03)
So that point is this.

[Speaker 1] (28:03 - 28:04)
And then to here

[Speaker 10] (28:04 - 28:04)
And

[Speaker 1] (28:04 - 28:04)
is,

[Speaker 10] (28:04 - 28:07)
then to here is somewhere behind this car.

[Speaker 1] (28:07 - 28:07)
is a straight

[Speaker 10] (28:07 - 28:07)
I

[Speaker 1] (28:07 - 28:07)
line

[Speaker 10] (28:07 - 28:07)
actually

[Speaker 1] (28:07 - 28:08)
across.

[Speaker 10] (28:08 - 28:10)
have a nail there with a blue tape just

[Speaker 1] (28:10 - 28:10)
Perfect.

[Speaker 10] (28:10 - 28:11)
to know where I'm, you know,

[Speaker 1] (28:11 - 28:11)
Yep,

[Speaker 10] (28:11 - 28:12)
where the

[Speaker 1] (28:12 - 28:12)
where you're,

[Speaker 10] (28:12 - 28:12)
gravity is,

[Speaker 1] (28:12 - 28:12)
that's

[Speaker 10] (28:12 - 28:13)
which

[Speaker 1] (28:13 - 28:14)
what we just need to zoom in far enough.

[Speaker 10] (28:14 - 28:15)
which is this one, sir, this.

[Speaker 10] (28:16 - 28:17)
And then this one goes some,

[Speaker 10] (28:17 - 28:19)
that point is somewhere.

[Speaker 7] (28:19 - 28:19)
Angela,

[Speaker 10] (28:19 - 28:19)
So

[Speaker 7] (28:19 - 28:21)
Jer will translate for us in a moment.

[Speaker 1] (28:21 - 28:22)
Yeah, and you

[Speaker 10] (28:22 - 28:22)
that, so it's about here.

[Speaker 7] (28:22 - 28:23)
know, it's hard balling.

[Speaker 1] (28:23 - 28:24)
It's like if you drew,

[Speaker 2] (28:24 - 28:25)
It's not a fault, but it's

[Speaker 1] (28:25 - 28:25)
drew

[Speaker 2] (28:25 - 28:25)
not

[Speaker 10] (28:25 - 28:26)
straight. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (28:26 - 28:26)
even there.

[Speaker 7] (28:26 - 28:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (28:26 - 28:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (28:26 - 28:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (28:26 - 28:27)
That's okay then.

[Speaker 10] (28:27 - 28:28)
And then there, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (28:28 - 28:31)
Okay, so your lot is doing is

[Speaker 10] (28:31 - 28:31)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (28:31 - 28:32)
doing this.

[Speaker 10] (28:32 - 28:33)
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 1] (28:33 - 28:33)
So

[Speaker 10] (28:34 - 28:36)
Yes, now that you see this

[Speaker 1] (28:36 - 28:36)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (28:36 - 28:37)
shape now,

[Speaker 1] (28:37 - 28:37)
So in

[Speaker 10] (28:37 - 28:37)
it's not

[Speaker 1] (28:37 - 28:39)
reality, though, the driveway is

[Speaker 10] (28:39 - 28:40)
It's in our

[Speaker 1] (28:40 - 28:40)
is

[Speaker 10] (28:40 - 28:41)
property.

[Speaker 7] (28:41 - 28:43)
It's on your property. Yeah. It comes off of

[Speaker 10] (28:43 - 28:43)
This

[Speaker 7] (28:43 - 28:43)
the existing

[Speaker 10] (28:43 - 28:45)
is our line line at this point, yes, uh-huh.

[Speaker 1] (28:45 - 28:50)
but I I guess my question is this this mark here is not your property line?

[Speaker 10] (28:50 - 28:51)
This is our property line,

[Speaker 1] (28:51 - 28:51)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (28:51 - 28:52)
which is this one,

[Speaker 1] (28:52 - 28:52)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (28:52 - 28:53)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (28:53 - 28:53)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (28:53 - 29:00)
and this is but this is town br I don't have an issue with the drive unless there's a reason that

[Speaker 10] (29:00 - 29:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (29:00 - 29:09)
that this appears the way this is showing that the driveway is coming off of the town the town was paving a narrower street

[Speaker 10] (29:09 - 29:11)
Sure, sure, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (29:11 - 29:15)
and so you folks paid to pave town land according

[Speaker 10] (29:15 - 29:16)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (29:16 - 29:21)
to this and then this driveway your driveway really is is this

[Speaker 10] (29:21 - 29:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (29:23 - 29:26)
And you are coming here. So this is coming off of

[Speaker 1] (29:29 - 29:42)
This is coming off of town townland. This is coming off of townland here. And this is just what the town didn't pave that you folks paved in and then it's public public parking.

[Speaker 10] (29:43 - 29:43)
Yes, it's also

[Speaker 1] (29:43 - 29:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (29:44 - 29:45)
public parking, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (29:45 - 29:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (29:46 - 29:47)
Yeah, so

[Speaker 11] (29:47 - 29:47)
Do we take

[Speaker 10] (29:47 - 29:47)
let's see this.

[Speaker 11] (29:47 - 29:48)
this sign?

[Speaker 10] (29:48 - 29:49)
Is that clear?

[Speaker 1] (29:50 - 29:51)
You did

[Speaker 2] (29:51 - 29:51)
That's clear,

[Speaker 1] (29:51 - 29:51)
help.

[Speaker 2] (29:51 - 29:51)
yes.

[Speaker 1] (29:51 - 29:53)
Yes, thank you. I appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (29:53 - 29:54)
All right, great.

[Speaker 1] (29:55 - 29:55)
Um...

[Speaker 2] (29:59 - 30:00)
So we can bring our photos over.

[Speaker 3] (30:01 - 30:03)
Angela will have a photo for you in just a sec.

[Speaker 1] (30:07 - 30:07)
That'd be great.

[Speaker 4] (30:07 - 30:11)
But I think I know where he's going with it, but I, yeah,

[Speaker 4] (30:11 - 30:13)
I think the description would be helpful.

[Speaker 3] (30:20 - 30:20)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (30:24 - 30:25)
So the one thing that is

[Speaker 1] (30:28 - 30:34)
a little bit confusing is that the the sketch on the overhead photograph the

[Speaker 3] (30:34 - 30:35)
Can I see the sketch?

[Speaker 1] (30:35 - 30:39)
curves basically are different than like

[Speaker 5] (30:39 - 30:41)
Oh, the curve on the landscape?

[Speaker 1] (30:41 - 30:46)
Well, the curve on the landscape and the curve of the driveway is different than what's on the landscape plan.

[Speaker 1] (30:47 - 30:48)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (30:48 - 30:49)
On the landscape plan thanks.

[Speaker 1] (30:49 - 30:54)
has well it's sort of doesn't have how it's terminating at the corner

[Speaker 2] (30:54 - 30:55)
The triangle there.

[Speaker 1] (30:55 - 31:01)
at the triangle but it also sort of feels like it

[Speaker 1] (31:03 - 31:07)
could be al it could be simplified and easier to use

[Speaker 1] (31:09 - 31:11)
by utilizing the

[Speaker 1] (31:17 - 31:24)
Yeah, is there any issue with a separate driveway coming off the street? We're not, there's no curbs to cut.

[Speaker 5] (31:26 - 31:27)
I don't think there is.

[Speaker 4] (31:27 - 31:33)
Is it coming off the street or is it really coming off their driveway?

[Speaker 4] (31:33 - 31:37)
That's what it looks like it's coming off the street,

[Speaker 4] (31:37 - 31:38)
but it's...

[Speaker 1] (31:38 - 31:38)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (31:38 - 31:39)
I

[Speaker 1] (31:39 - 31:39)
the thing is,

[Speaker 4] (31:39 - 31:40)
this is not,

[Speaker 4] (31:40 - 31:41)
I see what you're saying.

[Speaker 1] (31:41 - 31:41)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (31:41 - 31:42)
Definitely, I

[Speaker 1] (31:42 - 31:42)
that area

[Speaker 4] (31:42 - 31:43)
see what you're saying.

[Speaker 1] (31:43 - 31:44)
that is between,

[Speaker 4] (31:44 - 31:47)
Yeah, the corner, the corner is not the driveway,

[Speaker 1] (31:47 - 31:49)
right? correct, correct.

[Speaker 1] (31:49 - 31:49)
It,

[Speaker 1] (31:49 - 31:49)
because

[Speaker 4] (31:49 - 31:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (31:50 - 32:04)
of how the town paved the road, their original driveway, and you can sort of see in the overhead photograph that when, before the neighbors got together and paved the dirt area,

[Speaker 1] (32:05 - 32:13)
There was a section of their driveway that was on town land just in order to get back to your lot line.

[Speaker 2] (32:13 - 32:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (32:13 - 32:14)
Um

[Speaker 5] (32:14 - 32:14)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (32:14 - 32:19)
and it probably ended up did you build your house or are you the second owners?

[Speaker 4] (32:19 - 32:19)
Over the...

[Speaker 2] (32:19 - 32:21)
We bought it brand new.

[Speaker 1] (32:21 - 32:21)
You bought it

[Speaker 5] (32:21 - 32:21)
First,

[Speaker 1] (32:21 - 32:22)
brand new.

[Speaker 5] (32:22 - 32:22)
yes,

[Speaker 1] (32:22 - 32:22)
So

[Speaker 5] (32:22 - 32:22)
built.

[Speaker 1] (32:22 - 32:26)
probably when it was built they've just paved out to the street. Um

[Speaker 2] (32:26 - 32:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (32:26 - 32:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (32:26 - 32:31)
and and that was just bonus land. Um

[Speaker 1] (32:33 - 32:57)
So in looking at that, I think what you have sketched on the photograph is more logical because I think this becomes very difficult and I think you would it would be good to take advantage of that little piece of driveway because you wouldn't you wouldn't necessarily the cars would be in the way in in

[Speaker 5] (32:57 - 32:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (32:58 - 33:00)
the other one. So

[Speaker 3] (33:01 - 33:01)
It would

[Speaker 3] (33:02 - 33:07)
So is what sketched in the photograph s less of a run than what the overhead is showing?

[Speaker 1] (33:09 - 33:10)
I'm gonna show you what's

[Speaker 1] (33:12 - 33:14)
basically sketched in the overhead.

[Speaker 1] (33:16 - 33:18)
And then then this

[Speaker 1] (33:23 - 33:27)
So the blue here is what's on this landscape plan,

[Speaker 3] (33:27 - 33:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (33:27 - 33:38)
but the driveway didn't have an an end to it, it just had a a straight piece, so you would have been up, like keeping in mind this is where the telephone pole is,

[Speaker 3] (33:38 - 33:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (33:38 - 33:40)
you'd be coming around the telephone turning left

[Speaker 5] (33:40 - 33:41)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 1] (33:41 - 33:41)
turning

[Speaker 5] (33:41 - 33:41)
was exactly.

[Speaker 1] (33:41 - 33:48)
right and in where this would allow you to utilise that strange little corner of your lot to your

[Speaker 4] (33:48 - 33:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (33:48 - 33:51)
benefit to be able to drive into it.

[Speaker 1] (33:51 - 33:51)
way.

[Speaker 2] (33:51 - 33:51)
way.

[Speaker 1] (33:51 - 33:52)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (33:52 - 33:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (33:52 - 33:53)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (33:53 - 33:55)
Yeah, I mean it's um yeah,

[Speaker 4] (33:55 - 33:55)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (33:56 - 34:01)
So so this this driveway you would basically come straight parallel to the front

[Speaker 3] (34:01 - 34:01)
can

[Speaker 1] (34:01 - 34:01)
of

[Speaker 3] (34:01 - 34:04)
you increase that angle slightly so it's a straight drive-in?

[Speaker 1] (34:06 - 34:06)
Yeah, pretty

[Speaker 3] (34:06 - 34:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (34:07 - 34:09)
pretty well straighten an immediate turn

[Speaker 3] (34:09 - 34:09)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (34:09 - 34:09)
on

[Speaker 3] (34:09 - 34:10)
More of a straight drive-in

[Speaker 1] (34:10 - 34:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (34:11 - 34:11)
than that.

[Speaker 1] (34:11 - 34:16)
yeah Yeah, and then you would pull pull the you would pull this out

[Speaker 1] (34:17 - 34:21)
straight so you didn't end up with too much blacktop out there.

[Speaker 2] (34:21 - 34:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (34:21 - 34:21)
Or

[Speaker 5] (34:21 - 34:22)
Well, you could and you could

[Speaker 4] (34:22 - 34:25)
that little patch that's true,

[Speaker 1] (34:25 - 34:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (34:25 - 34:25)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (34:25 - 34:33)
and you might actually instead of like right now you've got sort of a curve and a corner, it might make sense for that to be around

[Speaker 5] (34:33 - 34:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (34:34 - 34:38)
a round boulevard. So you don't have a sharp thing to be hitting a tire with etcetera.

[Speaker 5] (34:38 - 34:39)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (34:39 - 34:41)
And then just go in there and then that odd angle. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (34:42 - 34:44)
So it it would

[Speaker 5] (34:45 - 34:47)
So open up that radius a bit and then make it more.

[Speaker 1] (34:48 - 34:50)
And I I think that would allow

[Speaker 1] (34:51 - 35:01)
So in other words if this was a round end you wouldn't have um you wouldn't have a sharp place there to be hitting.

[Speaker 2] (35:01 - 35:02)
Oh, it just

[Speaker 5] (35:02 - 35:02)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (35:02 - 35:03)
round,

[Speaker 1] (35:03 - 35:03)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (35:03 - 35:03)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:03 - 35:03)
just

[Speaker 2] (35:03 - 35:03)
Just yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:03 - 35:04)
just

[Speaker 5] (35:04 - 35:04)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 2] (35:04 - 35:04)
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:04 - 35:06)
yeah, good.

[Speaker 2] (35:08 - 35:09)
It looks more

[Speaker 5] (35:09 - 35:09)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (35:09 - 35:11)
A lot better from top view.

[Speaker 3] (35:12 - 35:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:12 - 35:16)
Well, it's I'm good at hitting curves. I'd like them to be round instead of

[Speaker 2] (35:16 - 35:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:16 - 35:17)
angled.

[Speaker 2] (35:17 - 35:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (35:17 - 35:20)
Well, it's better on your tires, actually.

[Speaker 1] (35:20 - 35:21)
Better on your tires.

[Speaker 2] (35:21 - 35:22)
Yeah, yeah. Makes sense. Thank

[Speaker 4] (35:22 - 35:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (35:23 - 35:23)
you.

[Speaker 1] (35:23 - 35:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (35:24 - 35:25)
Thank you, sir.

[Speaker 1] (35:25 - 35:29)
I don't know if there's a curve there or not, but but otherwise you're driving on grass too.

[Speaker 2] (35:30 - 35:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:30 - 35:30)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (35:31 - 35:33)
So I think I understand that.

[Speaker 3] (35:33 - 35:35)
A couple other questions for you.

[Speaker 5] (35:35 - 35:35)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (35:35 - 35:36)
In the overhead

[Speaker 3] (35:37 - 35:43)
Picture that we have of the plot. There's a white outline in the back corner of the lot, white rectangle. Is that just the relocation of the shed?

[Speaker 2] (35:44 - 35:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (35:44 - 35:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (35:44 - 35:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (35:45 - 35:45)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (35:46 - 35:47)
Oh, um,

[Speaker 2] (35:47 - 35:48)
Yeah, but that's

[Speaker 4] (35:48 - 35:49)
I have to step

[Speaker 5] (35:49 - 35:49)
Oh, which oh,

[Speaker 4] (35:49 - 35:50)
away from Oh oh,

[Speaker 5] (35:50 - 35:50)
away in

[Speaker 4] (35:50 - 35:50)
you the are?

[Speaker 5] (35:50 - 35:52)
in the back. Yeah, that is yeah

[Speaker 3] (35:53 - 35:53)
So

[Speaker 5] (35:53 - 35:56)
Yeah, because that shed, right, that's the existing shed that was moved.

[Speaker 3] (35:56 - 35:57)
Oh, this move over? Okay.

[Speaker 2] (35:57 - 35:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (35:57 - 35:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:57 - 35:59)
And the setbacks on that

[Speaker 2] (35:59 - 35:59)
Setback

[Speaker 1] (35:59 - 35:59)
would be

[Speaker 2] (35:59 - 36:01)
is going to be from my neighbour's set.

[Speaker 3] (36:02 - 36:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (36:02 - 36:03)
Yeah, I can get that.

[Speaker 1] (36:03 - 36:04)
I I've got it, I've got it, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (36:04 - 36:07)
The um A_D_U_ is there gonna be

[Speaker 3] (36:08 - 36:12)
do you have separate heat pump, compressor, handlers, anything go any where is that'll that

[Speaker 5] (36:12 - 36:20)
be it'll be a on on that back one if you look on that landscape plan there'll be an H_V_A_C_ unit

[Speaker 2] (36:23 - 36:23)
and

[Speaker 3] (36:23 - 36:23)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (36:23 - 36:23)
that's heated

[Speaker 3] (36:23 - 36:24)
one of the over there in the you patio

[Speaker 5] (36:24 - 36:25)
know what I mean?

[Speaker 3] (36:25 - 36:25)
area.

[Speaker 5] (36:25 - 36:26)
Yeah, it's sort of hidden in that alcove

[Speaker 3] (36:27 - 36:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (36:29 - 36:32)
Okay, so nobody's gonna see that except for you guys.

[Speaker 2] (36:33 - 36:34)
Technically.

[Speaker 3] (36:34 - 36:35)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 5] (36:36 - 36:41)
It's town wa uh it's uh water is by well up here in this these properties.

[Speaker 5] (36:42 - 36:42)
No.

[Speaker 1] (36:42 - 36:45)
How swamps got well water. Is it good?

[Speaker 6] (36:46 - 36:47)
Well, we have

[Speaker 2] (36:48 - 36:48)
We have the installer

[Speaker 6] (36:48 - 36:49)
that. 25,000

[Speaker 6] (36:50 - 36:51)
The glass water treatment.

[Speaker 1] (36:52 - 36:52)
Excellent,

[Speaker 5] (36:52 - 36:52)
Ha ha ha

[Speaker 1] (36:52 - 36:52)
excellent.

[Speaker 5] (36:52 - 36:52)
ha ha.

[Speaker 6] (36:52 - 36:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (36:53 - 36:54)
A cool cool house filter yeah.

[Speaker 1] (36:54 - 37:01)
Good. I uh I don't think you can make better coffee than with well water. I I

[Speaker 6] (37:01 - 37:01)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (37:01 - 37:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (37:01 - 37:03)
because there's no chlorine in it. It

[Speaker 5] (37:03 - 37:03)
Ah. Well

[Speaker 1] (37:03 - 37:03)
it's

[Speaker 6] (37:03 - 37:03)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (37:03 - 37:04)
I didn't think about

[Speaker 1] (37:04 - 37:04)
it makes

[Speaker 5] (37:04 - 37:05)
that.

[Speaker 1] (37:05 - 37:08)
all the difference in the world. So so enjoy I hope you like coffee.

[Speaker 2] (37:08 - 37:10)
Oh yeah I love fresh coffee.

[Speaker 5] (37:10 - 37:11)
That's good.

[Speaker 5] (37:11 - 37:11)
Funny.

[Speaker 3] (37:17 - 37:17)
Just

[Speaker 4] (37:17 - 37:17)
Sorry,

[Speaker 3] (37:17 - 37:17)
what?

[Speaker 4] (37:17 - 37:18)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 4] (37:18 - 37:19)
I'm back.

[Speaker 3] (37:19 - 37:27)
No problem. Well, I have the thought in front of me. I'm gonna open up to public comment, just in case any members of the public wish to make a comment on this petition.

[Speaker 3] (37:28 - 37:31)
They can do so by raising their hand on the zoom feature

[Speaker 5] (37:32 - 37:32)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 3] (37:32 - 37:34)
or teams, whatever we're using.

[Speaker 3] (37:36 - 37:40)
All right. Seeing none, we'll close public comment on this petition.

[Speaker 3] (37:45 - 37:51)
is pulling up our criteria for a site plan approval here um just to refresh any last minute questions.

[Speaker 1] (37:53 - 37:55)
I, I do have a couple other really quick questions.

[Speaker 3] (37:55 - 37:57)
Go for it, please dive on.

[Speaker 1] (37:57 - 37:57)
Um

[Speaker 1] (38:00 - 38:11)
I still don't think there would be any issue with the um lot coverage, 'cause we've got a sizable lot.

[Speaker 1] (38:12 - 38:12)
Um

[Speaker 4] (38:12 - 38:13)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (38:13 - 38:17)
I am looking at a cut, like there's an A_ five

[Speaker 5] (38:18 - 38:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (38:18 - 38:26)
patio proposal comes back to the rear of the main section of the existing house, and it's sort of an L_ shaped

[Speaker 5] (38:27 - 38:29)
Oh, you mean this dashed line that's at the very

[Speaker 1] (38:29 - 38:29)
Is

[Speaker 5] (38:29 - 38:29)
back?

[Speaker 1] (38:29 - 38:30)
that what that is?

[Speaker 5] (38:30 - 38:37)
Yeah, that dashed line back there is they were uh contemplating doing some fencing, but as of right now

[Speaker 1] (38:37 - 38:38)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 5] (38:38 - 38:46)
just be, yeah, that would just be they were thinking about doing some fencing there and sort of this walkway back uh to the to that A_D_U_ unit

[Speaker 1] (38:47 - 38:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (38:47 - 38:49)
what we show on the

[Speaker 5] (38:50 - 38:54)
out landscaped plan is how big we're really gonna make that courtyard.

[Speaker 4] (39:00 - 39:04)
So was there an entrance into the main house from there?

[Speaker 4] (39:04 - 39:05)
Is that

[Speaker 1] (39:05 - 39:06)
From

[Speaker 4] (39:06 - 39:07)
that little... It

[Speaker 5] (39:08 - 39:09)
Oh, from...

[Speaker 4] (39:09 - 39:12)
looks like there's a door or something there. Maybe I'm just

[Speaker 1] (39:12 - 39:12)
Because there's

[Speaker 4] (39:12 - 39:12)
dreaming.

[Speaker 1] (39:12 - 39:14)
a door off the bedroom.

[Speaker 5] (39:15 - 39:17)
There's a French door,

[Speaker 5] (39:17 - 39:19)
a glass door off the bedroom.

[Speaker 4] (39:20 - 39:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (39:21 - 39:21)
Three

[Speaker 4] (39:21 - 39:21)
I'm seeing that.

[Speaker 5] (39:21 - 39:22)
foot.

[Speaker 5] (39:22 - 39:24)
It's from the ADU.

[Speaker 4] (39:24 - 39:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (39:25 - 39:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (39:27 - 39:29)
This one off the bedroom and that one next to the kitchen,

[Speaker 5] (39:29 - 39:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (39:30 - 39:31)
those are the two exterior doors.

[Speaker 3] (39:32 - 39:35)
And the paver is going to extend from the patio to that bedroom

[Speaker 5] (39:35 - 39:36)
Yeah, so the pavers,

[Speaker 3] (39:36 - 39:37)
door?

[Speaker 5] (39:37 - 39:39)
oh, you mean the whole rear?

[Speaker 3] (39:39 - 39:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (39:40 - 39:40)
It

[Speaker 5] (39:40 - 39:44)
No, the pavers will just do with that alcove is.

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:44)
okay

[Speaker 2] (39:44 - 39:51)
Uh Jar just mentioned, did it go to the end of the house, of the existing house. No it didn't, it stops right where the A_D_ you stops and

[Speaker 1] (39:51 - 39:51)
oh

[Speaker 2] (39:51 - 39:51)
then that.

[Speaker 1] (39:51 - 39:52)
okay

[Speaker 2] (39:52 - 39:53)
Yeah, and that's what a cavity

[Speaker 3] (39:53 - 39:56)
'Cause it it's showing on a few different drawings and and I was

[Speaker 2] (39:56 - 39:56)
Does

[Speaker 3] (39:56 - 39:56)
just

[Speaker 2] (39:56 - 39:58)
it show it on the floor plans different?

[Speaker 3] (39:58 - 40:01)
uh it shows on the overhead images

[Speaker 1] (40:01 - 40:01)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (40:01 - 40:04)
that were made here and it shows on the

[Speaker 3] (40:05 - 40:07)
Oh, I see.

[Speaker 3] (40:07 - 40:13)
The only place that it shows L1 is to supersede all those other ones?

[Speaker 2] (40:13 - 40:14)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 4] (40:14 - 40:14)
Yep, okay.

[Speaker 3] (40:14 - 40:29)
Okay. Um, okay, 'cause I w I was just gonna comment with I'm I was noticing in the photographs the stairs coming out of the sunroom and just thinking there might be some logic in uh

[Speaker 3] (40:30 - 40:35)
Having some relationship. Oh, you've got a lot of patio space on the other side of the house.

[Speaker 2] (40:35 - 40:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (40:36 - 40:36)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (40:36 - 40:36)
Mm.

[Speaker 3] (40:36 - 40:40)
Yeah. But I was just thinking you've got stairs down into the yard that

[Speaker 2] (40:40 - 40:40)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (40:40 - 40:41)
you

[Speaker 2] (40:41 - 40:41)
I see.

[Speaker 3] (40:41 - 40:46)
could definitely link over to that. But I still am not I still don't have any concern about lot coverage.

[Speaker 2] (40:46 - 40:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (40:52 - 40:53)
No, neither do I.

[Speaker 6] (40:59 - 41:00)
By the terms of utilities,

[Speaker 6] (41:01 - 41:03)
all the utilities are shared,

[Speaker 6] (41:03 - 41:04)
correct?

[Speaker 2] (41:04 - 41:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (41:06 - 41:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (41:07 - 41:10)
And Angela, we discussed it while you were away. It's well water.

[Speaker 2] (41:10 - 41:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (41:11 - 41:13)
Okay, thank you. Sorry about that.

[Speaker 2] (41:13 - 41:13)
No,

[Speaker 2] (41:13 - 41:14)
no problem at all.

[Speaker 7] (41:29 - 41:31)
Any other questions

[Speaker 6] (41:31 - 41:31)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 7] (41:31 - 41:32)
from the board?

[Speaker 6] (41:33 - 41:48)
guess I was just thinking about you know in terms of drainage if the two driveways together you know I can't really you know tell the slope too well but I see a little I can see a little bit from this right at any rate what I was thinking was

[Speaker 6] (41:50 - 41:58)
Is, you know, is there any kind of grade in the street so like when there's runoff from snow and rain and so forth?

[Speaker 2] (42:00 - 42:08)
But what we were hoping to do is there is going to be a gutter system under this roof, on its existing roof,

[Speaker 2] (42:08 - 42:15)
and the way it's facing towards the front, and then we were going to run our drain along the exterior.

[Speaker 2] (42:18 - 42:22)
and then there'll be a French drain running back and then it'll be back to a dry well.

[Speaker 2] (42:22 - 42:24)
They wanted to try to eliminate,

[Speaker 2] (42:24 - 42:25)
like you mentioned,

[Speaker 2] (42:25 - 42:31)
any water going towards the front. I mean obviously you need some of it, but they want to get it out of there because of the ice and stuff eventually.

[Speaker 6] (42:31 - 42:37)
Right, that's what I was going to say, a lot of those roofs up there don't have like sewer openings,

[Speaker 2] (42:37 - 42:37)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (42:37 - 42:42)
if you will, or storm drain openings, so well they have sewer, they don't have storm drain openings,

[Speaker 6] (42:42 - 42:44)
so their runoff can...

[Speaker 6] (42:44 - 42:55)
and you get Ken to collect it because you're just, you know, there's more, there's more impervious area without the ADU and versus impervious, sorry,

[Speaker 6] (42:55 - 42:57)
the ADU and the driveway expansion,

[Speaker 6] (42:57 - 42:59)
I was just a little concerned about that.

[Speaker 6] (42:59 - 43:01)
So that's good to hear.

[Speaker 6] (43:01 - 43:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (43:02 - 43:03)
That's a great question.

[Speaker 2] (43:03 - 43:04)
It is.

[Speaker 7] (43:27 - 43:33)
All the lighting, as we like to be dark sky compliant, we don't like it, it's in the bylaws to be dark sky compliant.

[Speaker 2] (43:33 - 43:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (43:33 - 43:35)
We just just want to make make sure that's mentioned.

[Speaker 2] (43:35 - 43:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (43:35 - 43:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (43:35 - 43:39)
Just a shielded over the top so that directs the light down.

[Speaker 2] (43:39 - 43:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (43:39 - 43:41)
Um all the exterior lighting.

[Speaker 2] (43:43 - 43:51)
And also anything uh we were talking about um any conditions that you guys like to add to it, that's fine. Follow them of course.

[Speaker 2] (43:52 - 43:52)
You

[Speaker 7] (43:52 - 43:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (43:52 - 43:53)
know, to get to get a vote for tonight.

[Speaker 6] (43:56 - 44:01)
Um, so where is attached to the house, or is it simply attached,

[Speaker 6] (44:01 - 44:06)
or is there going to be any connection between the two units, or they're completely separate?

[Speaker 2] (44:06 - 44:08)
It's going to be a connection between

[Speaker 2] (44:09 - 44:12)
it's connected at the garage level yeah

[Speaker 7] (44:12 - 44:13)
Oh, through the garage.

[Speaker 2] (44:13 - 44:22)
so there's through the garage there's a door so it's an immediate address into the main garage which would be into the main house because after you get into the garage then you can get over to the main home

[Speaker 2] (44:22 - 44:26)
And then of course the other uh three openings with

[Speaker 7] (44:26 - 44:26)
Got

[Speaker 2] (44:26 - 44:26)
the hotel.

[Speaker 7] (44:26 - 44:26)
it.

[Speaker 6] (44:26 - 44:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (44:27 - 44:29)
Yeah. Th it you know it's one

[Speaker 6] (44:29 - 44:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (44:29 - 44:38)
yeah it's shown there in the uh floor plan A_ five. Yep. Of course that's a fire-rated door and all this other good stuff. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (44:39 - 44:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (44:44 - 44:45)
So there's a there's a few

[Speaker 3] (44:48 - 44:49)
there's a few things

[Speaker 3] (44:51 - 44:54)
that are missing here still on these drawings.

[Speaker 7] (44:54 - 44:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (44:55 - 44:57)
Um at the look at a two.

[Speaker 7] (44:58 - 44:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (45:00 - 45:10)
And if you can tell us what the plan is so if I'm looking at the proposed right side elevation, I'm looking at the window that's in the rear bedroom,

[Speaker 6] (45:11 - 45:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (45:11 - 45:11)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 3] (45:11 - 45:15)
there's a door adjacent to that that

[Speaker 7] (45:15 - 45:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (45:15 - 45:18)
on A_ three is showing steps.

[Speaker 3] (45:19 - 45:31)
starting at at the height of the door so I'm assuming that's at least a 36 inch slab and then steps down

[Speaker 7] (45:31 - 45:34)
Yeah, in talking with the builder,

[Speaker 7] (45:34 - 45:37)
there was a couple of concerns.

[Speaker 7] (45:37 - 45:39)
With the land there,

[Speaker 7] (45:39 - 45:43)
when they started digging up, there could be cases of ledge there,

[Speaker 7] (45:43 - 45:46)
you know, which could alter a few things.

[Speaker 2] (45:47 - 45:57)
So, yes, there is that inconsistency there, but we're just saying that this could be raised up out of grade as far as the foundation go more than the minimum one foot.

[Speaker 2] (45:57 - 46:02)
It could be one foot six inches, and then in that case then we would have a few stairs down.

[Speaker 3] (46:02 - 46:03)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (46:03 - 46:03)
You

[Speaker 3] (46:03 - 46:03)
if there

[Speaker 2] (46:03 - 46:03)
know we're

[Speaker 3] (46:03 - 46:03)
is

[Speaker 2] (46:03 - 46:03)
gonna

[Speaker 3] (46:03 - 46:08)
any any way it goes there's going to be a three foot landing out there in either a single step.

[Speaker 2] (46:08 - 46:08)
Exactly, exactly,

[Speaker 3] (46:08 - 46:08)
So I

[Speaker 2] (46:08 - 46:09)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (46:09 - 46:11)
think that needs to show up in that elevation.

[Speaker 2] (46:11 - 46:11)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (46:11 - 46:16)
There is a door that's sort of a ghost door hanging there.

[Speaker 2] (46:16 - 46:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (46:16 - 46:18)
That in the photographs is

[Speaker 2] (46:18 - 46:18)
Is that off

[Speaker 7] (46:18 - 46:18)
a sunroom?

[Speaker 2] (46:18 - 46:19)
the sunroom?

[Speaker 3] (46:19 - 46:19)
No.

[Speaker 2] (46:19 - 46:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (46:20 - 46:20)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (46:20 - 46:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (46:20 - 46:23)
that's off the sunroof, but that door is on the back of the house.

[Speaker 2] (46:24 - 46:24)
Which

[Speaker 7] (46:24 - 46:24)
Which,

[Speaker 2] (46:24 - 46:24)
shou

[Speaker 7] (46:24 - 46:25)
which one is that one?

[Speaker 3] (46:25 - 46:25)
A2.

[Speaker 2] (46:25 - 46:26)
A2,

[Speaker 7] (46:26 - 46:26)
A2?

[Speaker 3] (46:26 - 46:27)
there would be

[Speaker 2] (46:27 - 46:27)
A

[Speaker 3] (46:27 - 46:28)
a this door

[Speaker 2] (46:28 - 46:28)
one.

[Speaker 3] (46:28 - 46:29)
and then and

[Speaker 2] (46:29 - 46:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (46:29 - 46:31)
the photographs are showing a

[Speaker 2] (46:31 - 46:32)
The door at the end.

[Speaker 3] (46:32 - 46:36)
door and three windows, yeah, so that door, I just don't want the builder confused,

[Speaker 2] (46:36 - 46:37)
Nope.

[Speaker 3] (46:37 - 46:38)
that should be cleaned

[Speaker 2] (46:38 - 46:38)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (46:38 - 46:46)
up. And then the other question that I have for you is I'm looking at the way the bays are protruding at the front.

[Speaker 2] (46:46 - 46:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (46:48 - 46:48)
I,

[Speaker 3] (46:48 - 46:50)
my assumption is

[Speaker 3] (46:51 - 46:59)
That that door that's inside the living room is the main door into the into the unit and that the the intent is that's the entrance.

[Speaker 2] (46:59 - 47:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (47:00 - 47:00)
Um

[Speaker 6] (47:00 - 47:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (47:00 - 47:06)
that is also not shown with any sort of steps and the way the driveway is drawn

[Speaker 3] (47:09 - 47:14)
That information is going to be sort of important because right now the driveway terminates into that box bay.

[Speaker 2] (47:15 - 47:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (47:16 - 47:16)
I

[Speaker 2] (47:16 - 47:17)
Part of it yes.

[Speaker 3] (47:17 - 47:29)
think there would be logic in that actually not like stopping short of that but then calculating out because it's showing sort of patio space there.

[Speaker 3] (47:30 - 47:43)
But the other thing that just as homeowners I'd be cautious of is a door that doesn't have any coverage over it is very unpleasant to use I don't know is this for is this for relatives uh

[Speaker 8] (47:43 - 47:43)
Oh yeah,

[Speaker 2] (47:43 - 47:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (47:44 - 47:44)
this is

[Speaker 2] (47:44 - 47:44)
it's LA

[Speaker 8] (47:44 - 47:46)
for families expanding and whatnot

[Speaker 3] (47:46 - 47:46)
-huh yeah

[Speaker 6] (47:46 - 47:48)
The roof like is covered,

[Speaker 6] (47:48 - 47:50)
but I can't tell that that like is

[Speaker 3] (47:50 - 47:55)
in the front elevation yeah in the front elevation it's shown as

[Speaker 3] (47:56 - 47:59)
covered, but the front elevation doesn't match the actual

[Speaker 6] (48:00 - 48:01)
My thing, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (48:01 - 48:11)
There's a couple different things that are shown, and it's very hard to figure out which is which. So if I look at L_ one, it looks like

[Speaker 3] (48:12 - 48:19)
Oh, I'm sorry, if I look at L_ one I was looking at the neighbour's house. Um I see the patio there.

[Speaker 3] (48:20 - 48:22)
If I look at A_ one

[Speaker 3] (48:23 - 48:27)
There appears to be a covered porch and that it's niched inward.

[Speaker 3] (48:28 - 48:37)
But then when I look at A2, there's not really a patio, a step, or a clear idea of where the

[Speaker 2] (48:37 - 48:37)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (48:37 - 48:37)
door is.

[Speaker 2] (48:37 - 48:38)
I see what

[Speaker 3] (48:38 - 48:38)
So

[Speaker 2] (48:38 - 48:38)
you're saying,

[Speaker 3] (48:38 - 48:39)
that when I go

[Speaker 2] (48:39 - 48:39)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (48:39 - 48:40)
and I look at the plan,

[Speaker 3] (48:41 - 48:44)
there's a patio sort of niched in,

[Speaker 3] (48:44 - 48:49)
but that's not...

[Speaker 2] (48:50 - 48:52)
That's going to be, right,

[Speaker 2] (48:52 - 48:57)
that won't be a roof overhead there. And

[Speaker 3] (48:57 - 48:57)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (48:57 - 48:58)
that new patio,

[Speaker 2] (48:58 - 49:00)
that'll be flush back.

[Speaker 3] (49:00 - 49:00)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (49:00 - 49:00)
The

[Speaker 3] (49:00 - 49:00)
so that

[Speaker 2] (49:00 - 49:01)
other ones a trim

[Speaker 3] (49:01 - 49:01)
and then

[Speaker 2] (49:01 - 49:02)
board

[Speaker 3] (49:02 - 49:02)
there would

[Speaker 2] (49:02 - 49:02)
coming

[Speaker 3] (49:02 - 49:02)
be another

[Speaker 2] (49:02 - 49:02)
out.

[Speaker 3] (49:02 - 49:05)
step in there.

[Speaker 2] (49:05 - 49:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (49:06 - 49:08)
And then when I looked at the L1,

[Speaker 3] (49:08 - 49:10)
it sort of appeared that you were entering...

[Speaker 3] (49:11 - 49:18)
On to um L_ one, flatten the front, it remodels the bay on both on both parts of that.

[Speaker 6] (49:18 - 49:18)
Yeah, and then

[Speaker 3] (49:18 - 49:20)
Just take a look. And then

[Speaker 3] (49:22 - 49:27)
there it is showing sort of access to that off the side. So these need to be an agreement.

[Speaker 2] (49:28 - 49:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (49:28 - 49:29)
Um

[Speaker 2] (49:35 - 49:36)
That's fine.

[Speaker 1] (49:35 - 49:35)
That's fine.

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:42)
The,

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:45)
I will say that both of the bump outs don't

[Speaker 2] (49:45 - 49:46)
More,

[Speaker 1] (49:46 - 49:46)
have

[Speaker 2] (49:46 - 49:46)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (49:46 - 49:48)
a, don't have a foundation under them.

[Speaker 1] (49:48 - 49:51)
They are overhangs.

[Speaker 2] (49:51 - 49:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (49:51 - 49:58)
So there's no foundation. So maybe it's because if you can notice in the plot plan,

[Speaker 1] (49:58 - 49:58)
it's

[Speaker 2] (49:58 - 49:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (49:59 - 50:01)
just a straight line going across.

[Speaker 3] (50:03 - 50:23)
So there's going to be like thinking through what that means at that front door because it's sort of going to be complicated because you've got something that needs to be coming up to either a small step out down seven inches or flash

[Speaker 4] (50:23 - 50:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (50:23 - 50:28)
um and then you don't have foundation next to it but that would be

[Speaker 3] (50:29 - 50:31)
important to sort of plan for.

[Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:32)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (50:32 - 50:46)
My recommendation would be to probably give yourself a decent landing there and then think about probably some sort of path to it because there's the way this is drawn there's not space to enter that on the

[Speaker 1] (50:46 - 50:47)
Right. I see what you're saying.

[Speaker 3] (50:47 - 50:48)
on the left.

[Speaker 5] (50:48 - 50:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (50:49 - 50:53)
And I think there would be some logic in some planting area in front of that bay.

[Speaker 3] (50:54 - 50:56)
Very often when there's a wing off of a house

[Speaker 3] (50:57 - 51:13)
and a driva goes straight up to it. It's where the garage used to be, and so would so you you'll wanna get that planted so this this secondary drive way looks intentional instead of looking like you know, you're closed in a garage.

[Speaker 3] (51:13 - 51:17)
So I think that'll that'll help that to pulling that out.

[Speaker 3] (51:17 - 51:26)
and getting a sidewalk off of that driveway would make some I think that would clean that up a little bit

[Speaker 1] (51:26 - 51:27)
Yes, it would.

[Speaker 1] (51:29 - 51:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (51:30 - 51:31)
Good.

[Speaker 6] (51:31 - 51:32)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (51:47 - 51:48)
any

[Speaker 1] (51:49 - 51:51)
Any other comments or questions from the board?

[Speaker 6] (51:52 - 51:52)
No.

[Speaker 1] (51:54 - 51:54)
Bill.

[Speaker 3] (51:55 - 51:57)
Uh, I think we've answered everything,

[Speaker 3] (51:57 - 51:58)
but do we need to run through the checklist really quick?

[Speaker 1] (51:58 - 52:00)
Yes, I'm planning to do that.

[Speaker 1] (52:01 - 52:05)
Jer, before I do that, any I know you're still working through some of the drawings.

[Speaker 3] (52:06 - 52:06)
Uh, no.

[Speaker 7] (52:09 - 52:30)
Yes, we'll go through five four eight oh, just ki uh conditions for approval, criteria for approval. Minimize the volume of cut and fill, number of removed trees, six inch calibre or larger, the length of removed stone walls, area of wetland vegetation displaced, extent of storm water flow increased from the site, soil erosion, threat of air and water pollution. Are there any trees being removed for the t the construction

[Speaker 1] (52:30 - 52:30)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (52:30 - 52:34)
of this? No, okay. I think we answered the rest of that with the uh

[Speaker 6] (52:34 - 52:34)
Ah.

[Speaker 7] (52:34 - 52:35)
water outflow.

[Speaker 7] (52:35 - 52:37)
um drainage system we discussed.

[Speaker 3] (52:37 - 52:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (52:39 - 52:43)
Maximize pedestrian and vehicular safety both on the site and egressing from it.

[Speaker 7] (52:44 - 52:45)
We discussed that at length.

[Speaker 7] (52:47 - 52:52)
Uh minimize obstruction of scenic views from publicly accessible locations. I think that's really applicable.

[Speaker 7] (52:53 - 53:01)
Minimize visual intrusion by controlling the visibility of parking, storage and other outdoor service areas viewed from public ways or premises residentially used or zoned.

[Speaker 7] (53:02 - 53:03)
Uh we discuss that with the

[Speaker 7] (53:04 - 53:06)
that using of the uh garage.

[Speaker 7] (53:07 - 53:10)
Minimize glare from headlights and lighting intrusions.

[Speaker 7] (53:12 - 53:30)
Uh I think we discussed that with the driveway conversation. Minimize unreasonable departure from the character, material scale of buildings in the vicinity as viewed from public ways and places. The renderings show the materiality continues and matches some of the existing home and the uh homes adjacent to it.

[Speaker 7] (53:31 - 53:43)
Minimize contamination of ground water from on-site waste water disposal systems or operations on the premise involving the use, storage, handling or contaminants of hazardous substances.

[Speaker 7] (53:43 - 53:45)
I'm not sure that's applicable here.

[Speaker 7] (53:46 - 53:48)
We discussed the ground water being handled.

[Speaker 7] (53:49 - 54:09)
All right, ensure compliance with provisions of the zoning by-law including parking and landscaping, which we've discussed, minimise adverse traffic impacts of the proposed project of which there are limited, if any, uh and minimise the hazard of coastal flooding taking into account long-term sea level rise, I would hope this part of town does not have to worry about sea level rise.

[Speaker 1] (54:09 - 54:10)
Exactly up an elevation.

[Speaker 7] (54:10 - 54:12)
For a very very very very very long time.

[Speaker 7] (54:12 - 54:17)
Um so I think with those, I don't see any um

[Speaker 7] (54:18 - 54:22)
Reason not to grant approval given those conditions that we just discussed.

[Speaker 7] (54:22 - 54:27)
Are there any conditions that the board might think about adding to this?

[Speaker 7] (54:29 - 54:36)
Angela, I'm going to ask you this. The building commissioner is usually the one who decides the I and I fee based on the bedroom count.

[Speaker 6] (54:37 - 54:37)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (54:38 - 54:41)
Okay, so we'll defer to the building commissioner for I and I. I

[Speaker 8] (54:41 - 54:42)
Just for

[Speaker 7] (54:42 - 54:42)
just, Krista,

[Speaker 8] (54:42 - 54:42)
clarity comments.

[Speaker 7] (54:42 - 54:46)
I just want to make sure we note in the decision that

[Speaker 7] (54:47 - 54:50)
Uh the I and I fee will be, you know, the board, the first the

[Speaker 6] (54:51 - 54:51)
Applies, right?

[Speaker 7] (54:51 - 54:55)
the building commissioner for the I and I fee, but making sure that it does apply to this.

[Speaker 9] (54:55 - 54:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (54:55 - 55:01)
We should have that just for all of our future site plan. Uh I just wanna make sure that language is consistent.

[Speaker 9] (55:01 - 55:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (55:02 - 55:04)
Are there any other comments from staff?

[Speaker 9] (55:06 - 55:07)
Not at this time.

[Speaker 6] (55:09 - 55:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (55:10 - 55:10)
Nobody.

[Speaker 6] (55:10 - 55:21)
I would imagine you'd want to make sure you have, you know, sprinklers. I don't know about sprinklers, but this is ADU, but, you know, smoke alarms and all that sort of thing. I'm sure, you know, fire can access it pretty easily,

[Speaker 6] (55:21 - 55:23)
so I don't think that's an issue.

[Speaker 10] (55:24 - 55:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (55:24 - 55:27)
Are they just at the during construction stage and you...

[Speaker 6] (55:29 - 55:32)
You respect the construction hours,

[Speaker 6] (55:32 - 55:34)
which the building commissioner will tell you,

[Speaker 6] (55:34 - 55:39)
you know, weekdays, and then they, you know, know earlier than whatever it is, I don't know what it

[Speaker 1] (55:39 - 55:40)
7 a.m.

[Speaker 6] (55:40 - 55:40)
is now.

[Speaker 1] (55:40 - 55:41)
7 a.m. to 4.

[Speaker 6] (55:41 - 55:54)
And also there are a few stages and materials, you know, everything that you can, you know, on the property and not sort of, would you would anyway, just because you're going to want to get your, you know, trucks and cars off the street.

[Speaker 1] (55:55 - 55:55)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (55:59 - 56:00)
Any other conditions the board might seek?

[Speaker 1] (56:02 - 56:02)
No.

[Speaker 6] (56:02 - 56:03)
I don't have any.

[Speaker 7] (56:03 - 56:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (56:04 - 56:06)
I would entertain a motion for.

[Speaker 7] (56:07 - 56:13)
Granting a site plan special permit to 55 Manson Street for partitioning I'm sorry

[Speaker 6] (56:13 - 56:13)
13.

[Speaker 7] (56:13 - 56:13)
15.

[Speaker 1] (56:13 - 56:13)
15.

[Speaker 7] (56:14 - 56:16)
um take mixing up

[Speaker 1] (56:16 - 56:16)
Street.

[Speaker 7] (56:16 - 56:16)
again,

[Speaker 1] (56:16 - 56:16)
Street.

[Speaker 11] (56:16 - 56:16)
that

[Speaker 7] (56:16 - 56:16)
partition

[Speaker 6] (56:16 - 56:16)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (56:16 - 56:17)
No one has.

[Speaker 7] (56:17 - 56:18)
We'll be back 25 in again.

[Speaker 1] (56:18 - 56:19)
Manson

[Speaker 7] (56:19 - 56:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (56:19 - 56:19)
Street.

[Speaker 7] (56:19 - 56:20)
For 15 Manson

[Speaker 1] (56:20 - 56:20)
That's not right.

[Speaker 7] (56:20 - 56:20)
Street

[Speaker 1] (56:21 - 56:23)
That's not right. Somebody's already made that mistake.

[Speaker 1] (56:23 - 56:25)
The survey has already made that mistake once.

[Speaker 7] (56:28 - 56:28)
Um

[Speaker 6] (56:28 - 56:29)
It's not on you.

[Speaker 7] (56:30 - 56:31)
There any motions?

[Speaker 6] (56:32 - 56:40)
Make a motion to grant a cyclone special permit for the ADU construction at 15 Manson Street.

[Speaker 7] (56:40 - 56:40)
Give it a second.

[Speaker 1] (56:41 - 56:42)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (56:42 - 56:44)
All right. We'll do a roll call since we're online.

[Speaker 7] (56:45 - 56:46)
All those in favor,

[Speaker 7] (56:46 - 56:47)
Angela Ippolito,

[Speaker 7] (56:47 - 56:49)
Bill Quinn,

[Speaker 7] (56:49 - 56:50)
Chair Germa,

[Speaker 1] (56:50 - 56:50)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (56:50 - 56:52)
Ted Dooley, aye.

[Speaker 7] (56:52 - 56:54)
Congratulations. We'll get a decision off.

[Speaker 3] (56:54 - 56:54)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (56:54 - 56:56)
You get your decision.

[Speaker 1] (56:56 - 56:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (56:56 - 56:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (57:08 - 57:10)
Chris, I see you have a lovely presentation for us.

[Speaker 12] (57:12 - 57:14)
Yes. I'll pull that up.

[Speaker 7] (57:16 - 57:18)
You know I think it is uh

[Speaker 7] (57:19 - 57:23)
really informative to have seen the lot size calculations throughout town.

[Speaker 7] (57:23 - 57:25)
That was really interesting.

[Speaker 7] (57:25 - 57:31)
If for nothing else, it was just something I would have loved to have it's great to see.

[Speaker 7] (57:37 - 57:38)
On that PowerPoint.

[Speaker 7] (57:39 - 57:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (57:45 - 57:45)
Just

[Speaker 6] (57:45 - 57:45)
That's

[Speaker 7] (57:45 - 57:45)
run it.

[Speaker 6] (57:45 - 57:46)
really interesting.

[Speaker 7] (57:47 - 57:52)
It kind of goes counter in some ways. It's exactly what you think. And in other ways, it's not not at all.

[Speaker 7] (57:52 - 57:53)
Bye-bye. Have a good night.

[Speaker 7] (57:54 - 57:54)
Bye.

[Speaker 12] (57:59 - 58:02)
Okay, so I'll go through a little bit just...

[Speaker 12] (58:03 - 58:06)
What I've been able to put together since the last time we met,

[Speaker 12] (58:06 - 58:10)
haven't been able to do everything I wanted to,

[Speaker 12] (58:10 - 58:19)
but just wanted to go through here a little bit about the lot size analysis that we've been able to put together so far,

[Speaker 12] (58:19 - 58:28)
but also just discussion of potential by-law changes at our meeting on the 15th.

[Speaker 12] (58:28 - 58:41)
It was decided during discussion with the board that the expanded multifamily use zoning and updating the sign bylaws were the priority zoning bylaw changes to pursue in 2026.

[Speaker 12] (58:41 - 58:48)
Something to note that MAPC has some technical assistance programs that

[Speaker 12] (58:49 - 59:02)
My office plans on applying for funding for um just wanted to throw that information in front of you guys um we can apply for assistance um for both

[Speaker 12] (59:03 - 59:08)
of these categories, or either depending on what you would prefer from discussions today.

[Speaker 12] (59:10 - 59:22)
And anything not chosen in this December review could potentially, we could potentially submit for other types of funding come the new year that would be available.

[Speaker 12] (59:24 - 59:33)
So I had discussed with Marcy in the plan is to submit for funding to see if we're able to receive assistance from these programs available.

[Speaker 2] (59:35 - 59:35)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (59:36 - 59:36)
That was great.

[Speaker 3] (59:38 - 59:39)
This map is terrific.

[Speaker 1] (59:41 - 59:43)
All right, are you on the interactive map?

[Speaker 3] (59:43 - 59:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (59:44 - 59:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (59:44 - 59:46)
I will pull that up in a minute.

[Speaker 1] (59:47 - 59:47)
This,

[Speaker 1] (59:48 - 59:49)
oh no,

[Speaker 1] (59:49 - 59:51)
I'm glad you're taking a look at it.

[Speaker 1] (59:51 - 59:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (59:52 - 59:56)
So this is kind of in progress.

[Speaker 1] (59:57 - 1:00:01)
table that I put together just to show what we require,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:01 - 1:00:11)
what a typical minimum might look like for a certain type of zoning, and the comparisons here.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:12 - 1:00:15)
So as you can see, our A1 is the larger lot zoning,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:15 - 1:00:18)
so that's 30,000 square foot minimum,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:18 - 1:00:23)
125 foot road frontage minimum. The A2.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:25 - 1:00:29)
is 20,000 square foot minimum 100 feet of road frontage.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:30 - 1:00:34)
Both of those are single family zoning. They don't allow for multifamily.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:35 - 1:00:39)
And then looking at two family and up,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:39 - 1:00:44)
A3 and A4 have the minimum lot size of 10,000 square feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:45 - 1:00:49)
And we can kind of go through and take a look at the map and

[Speaker 1] (1:00:50 - 1:00:55)
compare with what actually exists in the world today.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:55 - 1:01:02)
So this is just a screenshot of the interactive map I sent the link to all of you.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:04 - 1:01:17)
And as you can see obviously it looks darker because 80,000 square feet plus lots take up a lot of the area in town. However when you break it down by parcel

[Speaker 1] (1:01:19 - 1:01:21)
It looks a little bit different,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:21 - 1:01:33)
so I put together some summary statistics on just number of parcels, but also percent of total town area that these classifications of lots take up.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:35 - 1:01:43)
And this is like kind of a crazy graphic overlaying just the zoning districts on top of this existing map.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:44 - 1:01:45)
Angela,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:45 - 1:01:47)
I have a question for you.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:47 - 1:01:47)
Okay, yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:48 - 1:01:51)
The A4 up by the Marble Headline on the beach there,

[Speaker 3] (1:01:52 - 1:01:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:52 - 1:01:54)
that little tiny like pocket of A4,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:55 - 1:01:57)
what was

[Speaker 3] (1:01:57 - 1:01:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:57 - 1:01:58)
that?

[Speaker 4] (1:01:59 - 1:02:00)
Is that where those townhouses are?

[Speaker 4] (1:02:00 - 1:02:00)
Is that?

[Speaker 5] (1:02:00 - 1:02:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:01 - 1:02:03)
Yeah, I can pull it. I'll pull up.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:03 - 1:02:05)
Brenda Hart Talian used to be,

[Speaker 4] (1:02:05 - 1:02:05)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:02:05 - 1:02:05)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:02:05 - 1:02:06)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:06 - 1:02:13)
yeah, it has to be where those townhouses are. I don't know, I don't remember being an A4 to be honest with you.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:14 - 1:02:18)
I will I will pull it up in a minute if

[Speaker 4] (1:02:18 - 1:02:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:18 - 1:02:20)
there's anything else you

[Speaker 4] (1:02:20 - 1:02:21)
Can I ask

[Speaker 1] (1:02:21 - 1:02:21)
find just it yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:02:21 - 1:02:25)
a silly question? So basically we have, oh so many non-conforming.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:28 - 1:02:28)
I think like

[Speaker 1] (1:02:28 - 1:02:28)
Oh, yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:28 - 1:02:30)
the vast majority.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
instead

[Speaker 1] (1:02:31 - 1:02:38)
And this is kind of an illustration and we can dig deeper in whichever way you want to go after being presented this information.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:39 - 1:02:39)
I,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:39 - 1:02:51)
you know, put the basic lot size analysis together and if we want to dig into how many exactly, you know, non conforming lots we have that's something absolutely we can do I think that would be a really valuable exercise.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:54 - 1:02:59)
Any direction we want to go based off of this information is definitely something

[Speaker 4] (1:02:59 - 1:03:01)
I mean, I think since I've been on the board

[Speaker 1] (1:03:01 - 1:03:01)
to dig into.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:02 - 1:03:09)
in the five years coming up, I think I've seen maybe a couple of conforming lot size applications,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:09 - 1:03:12)
and that's like a couple.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:13 - 1:03:14)
Yeah, true.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:14 - 1:03:17)
I can think of one, and I'm sure there's another one.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:19 - 1:03:22)
So taking a look at this graph,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:22 - 1:03:44)
it's basically just the breakdown of percent of total land in the town taken up by these different lot sizes. So it makes sense that the 80,000 plus lots take up a decent amount of the percentage of the total town area and that's why the map looks pretty dark when we're looking at it, but it was an interesting...

[Speaker 1] (1:03:46 - 1:03:48)
break down to see the different sides of it.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:49 - 1:04:10)
What I'd love to look at is I'd love to look at municipally owned land whether it's you know open space or or whether it's you know municipal buildings schools whatever you know I'd love to see that it's also what's interesting is it shows the lots that like for example on Puritan

[Speaker 3] (1:04:11 - 1:04:12)
Or even right along the beach,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:12 - 1:04:13)
those,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:13 - 1:04:19)
you know, the little lots that are sitting literally on fishermen's beach, like some of them are just over the sand.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:19 - 1:04:24)
And what it shows is that the property line goes to the low tide mark.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:24 - 1:04:30)
So I'd like to look at how much land is underwater that we're counting as buildable land.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:31 - 1:04:34)
And this is like all detailed stuff,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:34 - 1:04:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:34 - 1:04:35)
but there's so,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:35 - 1:04:37)
this is so interesting to me that there's

[Speaker 4] (1:04:37 - 1:04:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:37 - 1:04:38)
so many things I want to look at.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:39 - 1:04:46)
These are the types of specific comments we need in order to make these numbers what we want to see.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:48 - 1:04:55)
Well, that's why I said one of those tiny little tiny lots look huge. It's because it's going up to the lot of time marker.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:55 - 1:04:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:56 - 1:05:04)
Which is strange because some of the lots in Swampscott go to the mean high water and some of them go to like my deed has one of those and it goes to mean low water.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:04 - 1:05:04)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:04 - 1:05:05)
It's weird.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:05 - 1:05:07)
I think it's based on when it was written.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:07 - 1:05:11)
And it's like this thing from like, you know, 1700 or something.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:11 - 1:05:14)
Some crazy thing they put in place because

[Speaker 3] (1:05:14 - 1:05:15)
You know,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:15 - 1:05:21)
what other crazy person besides a fisherman would live right on the edge of the water? I mean, nobody else wanted to be there.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:21 - 1:05:21)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:21 - 1:05:30)
And so they had to, they were allowed to build a pier off their house into the water, and because they could build something on it,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:30 - 1:05:33)
they were granted, you know, rights to that land,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:34 - 1:05:37)
which, you know, sounds absurd to all of us today,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:37 - 1:05:43)
like, you know, the beach is a public and you don't own the water and you don't own the ocean and the sand underneath it.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:43 - 1:06:02)
but that's just how that law pans out now and you know try repealing it so anyway we're one of a lot of communities that have I think along you know the northeast that have it in any event the other stuff that's interesting is how much of the land

[Speaker 3] (1:06:03 - 1:06:05)
um is that's open space you

[Speaker 1] (1:06:05 - 1:06:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:06 - 1:06:10)
know there are lots that are not built on how much of that is private and actually buildable which

[Speaker 1] (1:06:10 - 1:06:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:11 - 1:06:29)
i think is maybe like i think it's i don't know i'm going to say it's like two percent that's not either wetland nor you know protected in some way or farm um just available land um i think you know it's it's incredible how little there is

[Speaker 1] (1:06:30 - 1:06:31)
Right, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:31 - 1:06:32)
and that's something that we can do.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:33 - 1:06:41)
We can eliminate wetlands. We can do it by ownership and anything that has conservation restrictions,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:41 - 1:06:44)
we could take out anything along those lines.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:44 - 1:06:50)
We could definitely do an analysis for buildability or just privately owned land.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:50 - 1:07:00)
And I, you know, a lot of the reasons we really need to know this is really say farmer stuff when it comes to more multifamily housing and I don't mean to say

[Speaker 3] (1:07:00 - 1:07:28)
say that I don't care about the answers not where I'm going where I'm going is because I think the infill housing and stuff we've talked about is is the only way to really be successful at more of this aside from the square and stuff that's obvious but um but I think that you know we're looking at a few scraps of land that are left that we have to be really thoughtful about how things get permitted and to not make ourselves vulnerable

[Speaker 3] (1:07:29 - 1:07:32)
to a project that isn't something that we want.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:32 - 1:07:40)
So, and I already believe we qualify for that in doing all the work on the zoning for the 3A,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:40 - 1:07:41)
the MVTA communities.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:41 - 1:07:44)
You know, the Department of Housing,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:44 - 1:07:45)
Community Development,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:45 - 1:07:45)
whatever,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:45 - 1:07:46)
livable communities,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:46 - 1:07:47)
whatever they call themselves now,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:48 - 1:07:49)
had,

[Speaker 3] (1:07:49 - 1:07:54)
you know, they actually had to bring all the numbers up to date so that we could get exact.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:55 - 1:07:59)
You know, they could do their calculations of, you know, how much they wanted to build and blah,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:00 - 1:08:00)
blah, blah.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:01 - 1:08:02)
In any event,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:02 - 1:08:12)
I think that we are so built out that, you know, obviously we have to zone over land that's already, you know, built upon.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:13 - 1:08:14)
But I think it's really,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:14 - 1:08:17)
you know, I think DHC does have that information,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:17 - 1:08:20)
but they don't have the details that they would need.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:21 - 1:08:21)
For example,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:21 - 1:08:23)
you know, conservation land,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:24 - 1:08:26)
wetlands, municipal properties are exempt,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:27 - 1:08:28)
anything underwater is exempt,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:28 - 1:08:28)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (1:08:28 - 1:08:29)
including

[Speaker 4] (1:08:29 - 1:08:29)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:29 - 1:08:31)
not just on the ocean,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:31 - 1:08:32)
but wetlands.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:32 - 1:08:32)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (1:08:32 - 1:08:32)
So,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:32 - 1:08:32)
-hmm. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:32 - 1:08:35)
you know, it's just stuff like that that we would know best.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:35 - 1:08:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:35 - 1:08:39)
So if we can find ways to manipulate these maps to get,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:39 - 1:08:40)
not manipulate,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:41 - 1:08:45)
but to, you know, to pull out the programming details that you need to,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:45 - 1:08:48)
you know, the search details that you need, you know what I'm talking

[Speaker 1] (1:08:48 - 1:08:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:48 - 1:08:48)
about.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:48 - 1:08:49)
That would be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:49 - 1:08:49)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:49 - 1:08:53)
absolutely. I think that that's a really good point and a good.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:55 - 1:09:13)
good feedback for what this map could become and what we could look like what it could look like you know it's exciting we just got GIS to be able to put something like this together but it really can evolve with your feedback into the types of things that we're looking to know in order to make decisions so

[Speaker 1] (1:09:14 - 1:09:22)
You know, more than just parcel sizes, we can do exercises like this for all sorts of things that we're looking to do in town for planning purposes.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:24 - 1:09:29)
One interesting thing I wanted to note on this graph here is that...

[Speaker 1] (1:09:37 - 1:09:38)
like the majority.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:38 - 1:09:39)
Yeah, well under.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:39 - 1:09:46)
Yeah, so it's, you know, something to note because we don't even have.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:48 - 1:09:55)
You know, the minimums are much higher than that for most zoning districts. So um that's just something to consider um

[Speaker 1] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
moving

[Speaker 3] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
So 57%

[Speaker 1] (1:09:56 - 1:09:57)
forward.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:57 - 1:09:59)
of the town pretty much is not conforming from a minimum lot size.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:00 - 1:10:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:01 - 1:10:08)
So, yes what w what would we do, like what's the problem? We change the minimum requirement, is that the the goal or

[Speaker 1] (1:10:09 - 1:10:09)
I mean, you

[Speaker 4] (1:10:09 - 1:10:10)
Well, why?

[Speaker 1] (1:10:10 - 1:10:12)
know, it's to spark discussion.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:12 - 1:10:14)
The goal of this is to spark discussion on, you know, what

[Speaker 4] (1:10:14 - 1:10:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:10:15 - 1:10:15)
landed.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:15 - 1:10:17)
do we want to do with this information?

[Speaker 5] (1:10:19 - 1:10:21)
Well, I think I know,

[Speaker 5] (1:10:21 - 1:10:22)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 3] (1:10:23 - 1:10:28)
Angela, you were on the board when, and Bill, you might have been too, when they rewrote the zoning bylaws, what,

[Speaker 3] (1:10:28 - 1:10:29)
like 15 years ago?

[Speaker 5] (1:10:30 - 1:10:32)
in 2009.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:33 - 1:10:33)
What

[Speaker 5] (1:10:33 - 1:10:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:10:33 - 1:10:33)
was the,

[Speaker 5] (1:10:33 - 1:10:35)
I just, I had just joined them.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:36 - 1:10:42)
do you recall what was the minimum lot size before then and what was the, was it just 20,000 sounded right?

[Speaker 3] (1:10:42 - 1:10:44)
Or what was the logic?

[Speaker 5] (1:10:44 - 1:10:45)
It was the same.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:45 - 1:10:49)
So that was, you know, it's when zoning was adopted like way back.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:50 - 1:10:55)
I don't think we changed minimum lot sizes. We changed stuff like setbacks and...

[Speaker 5] (1:10:55 - 1:10:59)
There were just a bunch of other rules like the processes of rules that were changed.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:00 - 1:11:15)
Some of the zoning changes were good because it controlled some of the, you know, the site plan specific things that could be altered,

[Speaker 5] (1:11:16 - 1:11:19)
the kinds of changes people could make in height and that.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:20 - 1:11:46)
and then that whole piece about you know two buildings on the same lot have to be at least 40 feet apart that was that came up then I could go through it and give you a list of stuff some of it I thought was really you know didn't make it it didn't make any sense to me then and some of it still doesn't but this piece you know the town knew when it adopted zoning officially whenever you know way back

[Speaker 5] (1:11:47 - 1:12:12)
um that that they were adopting a form that I guess whatever was recommended by the state or what was happening in towns cities and towns all around and um you know it was clear that there were multiple people that you know there were going to have grandfathered blocks that wanted to be able to maintain their full property rights and so it was kind of understood that they'd be this grandfather of um

[Speaker 5] (1:12:13 - 1:12:14)
A lot.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:14 - 1:12:23)
I don't think it was ever anticipated that people would want to expand homes on lot that size as much as they have wanted to, but that's another issue.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:24 - 1:12:31)
But a lot of people at that time owned lots that were well under 10,000 square feet,

[Speaker 5] (1:12:31 - 1:12:35)
like they owned a 5,000 square foot lot or, you know, 8,000 square foot lot,

[Speaker 5] (1:12:35 - 1:12:42)
and they want to maintain their rights and their ability to develop that lot someday. And so there was...

[Speaker 5] (1:12:42 - 1:12:53)
It's not in our bylaw, but I think it was some kind of a state law that allowed them for a certain number of years if they applied by X date,

[Speaker 5] (1:12:53 - 1:12:54)
whatever it was,

[Speaker 5] (1:12:54 - 1:13:10)
then there was a certain number of years they had to either sell that property and let someone else develop it or do something on it themselves before it became, you know, an unbuildable lot. And a good example of that is that building that's on...

[Speaker 5] (1:13:11 - 1:13:28)
Humphreys Street it's like a two it's like a two family like it's really a nice beautiful colonial looking home it's brand new sort of it was just finished a year or two ago it's across from from the not the yeah the fisherman speech from there but you know

[Speaker 4] (1:13:28 - 1:13:29)
Oh, next

[Speaker 5] (1:13:29 - 1:13:33)
closer down towards the what's that restaurant called

[Speaker 4] (1:13:33 - 1:13:33)
to the dental office,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:33 - 1:13:34)
yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:13:34 - 1:13:34)
the dentist, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:34 - 1:13:36)
thank you next to the dentist yes

[Speaker 5] (1:13:37 - 1:13:48)
So that one across that was an undersized lot that they had applied for years and years ago from my understanding and that they finally decided to build on.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:48 - 1:14:04)
So I think that's kind of how that went and since then I mean we just people either you know combined lots or they sold those off and they were built on which is like it was I think at that time such a boom in building.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:07 - 1:14:09)
Chris, I have a quick question. In

[Speaker 1] (1:14:09 - 1:14:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:09 - 1:14:11)
the B_ three and the B_ four,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:14 - 1:14:17)
all of the brown lines in there, are those? On

[Speaker 4] (1:14:19 - 1:14:20)
um

[Speaker 1] (1:14:20 - 1:14:21)
Sorry, let me hold

[Speaker 4] (1:14:21 - 1:14:21)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:21 - 1:14:22)
this back up.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:22 - 1:14:22)
sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:24 - 1:14:24)
Those are streets, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
Well look where they are though.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:27 - 1:14:28)
The driving fa uh

[Speaker 4] (1:14:28 - 1:14:29)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:30 - 1:14:31)
'Cause this is

[Speaker 4] (1:14:32 - 1:14:33)
Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:33 - 1:14:36)
It literally looks it looks like the parking stalls almost

[Speaker 3] (1:14:37 - 1:14:39)
the top of B_ four all those little

[Speaker 4] (1:14:39 - 1:14:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:39 - 1:14:40)
parallel lines

[Speaker 1] (1:14:40 - 1:14:41)
Is that the cemetery, maybe? Or

[Speaker 3] (1:14:41 - 1:14:42)
No, it's

[Speaker 4] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
Well, no,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
the cemetery

[Speaker 3] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
front

[Speaker 4] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
is

[Speaker 3] (1:14:42 - 1:14:43)
of the right mall.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:43 - 1:14:44)
where it says B_ four.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:44 - 1:14:45)
Yeah, so we can

[Speaker 4] (1:14:45 - 1:14:46)
And then if

[Speaker 1] (1:14:46 - 1:14:46)
figure

[Speaker 4] (1:14:46 - 1:14:46)
you

[Speaker 1] (1:14:46 - 1:14:47)
this out. So this is of

[Speaker 4] (1:14:47 - 1:14:49)
Oh, no, no, no. B_ four is where Vin and Square

[Speaker 3] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:49 - 1:14:50)
is. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
Those

[Speaker 4] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
are

[Speaker 4] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
so

[Speaker 5] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
drop

[Speaker 4] (1:14:50 - 1:14:50)
what

[Speaker 5] (1:14:50 - 1:14:51)
the drop.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:51 - 1:14:51)
are, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:51 - 1:14:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:51 - 1:14:52)
what are,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:53 - 1:14:57)
Those are drive aisles. Um this is just the base map that's being shown.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:57 - 1:14:59)
I'm sorry, they're drive aisles?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:59 - 1:14:59)
In

[Speaker 4] (1:14:59 - 1:15:00)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:00 - 1:15:00)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:00 - 1:15:00)
the parking lot.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:00 - 1:15:01)
lot. Oh, okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:01 - 1:15:02)
Yeah, parking lot.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:02 - 1:15:03)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
I got it.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:03 - 1:15:05)
And then you go up here and then

[Speaker 4] (1:15:05 - 1:15:11)
That was like if you go up further up towards Loring

[Speaker 4] (1:15:13 - 1:15:15)
The far left is a cemetery.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:15 - 1:15:15)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:15 - 1:15:16)
Yep, so

[Speaker 4] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
these are

[Speaker 4] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
that's

[Speaker 1] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
like making drives

[Speaker 4] (1:15:16 - 1:15:17)
sense then.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:17 - 1:15:21)
and it's just because of the base map that I chose for this that

[Speaker 4] (1:15:21 - 1:15:21)
No, that's perfect.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:21 - 1:15:22)
why it's

[Speaker 4] (1:15:22 - 1:15:22)
I was just

[Speaker 1] (1:15:22 - 1:15:22)
not.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:22 - 1:15:23)
trying to decipher

[Speaker 1] (1:15:23 - 1:15:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:23 - 1:15:25)
it, because I was like, what are these things?

[Speaker 1] (1:15:25 - 1:15:27)
I thought the same thing. I was like what and then I realized,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:27 - 1:15:33)
you know, this it was the cemetery. But yes, this is just how parking lot is displaying over because

[Speaker 4] (1:15:33 - 1:15:34)
Oh, right,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:34 - 1:15:35)
that's all making sense then.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:35 - 1:15:37)
I pulled the labels on top.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:37 - 1:15:38)
So it's it's

[Speaker 4] (1:15:40 - 1:15:44)
I have to say that there's, it's, I'm going to use the word comforting,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:44 - 1:15:51)
but I find comfort in the fact that we have density where there's density,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:51 - 1:15:53)
we have open space where it's public,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:53 - 1:16:02)
or the larger open space that's private is almost all being utilized.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:04 - 1:16:08)
Oh, that's what I'm kind of getting at when I talk about Save Harbor.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:09 - 1:16:11)
There's damn little that's not either,

[Speaker 5] (1:16:12 - 1:16:16)
if it's privately owned and it's, you know, kind of an empty lot,

[Speaker 5] (1:16:17 - 1:16:24)
you know, they're either going to develop it or someone's after it to buy to join with another lot to develop.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:24 - 1:16:32)
So there's just very little, you know, and of course those areas are in very congested neighborhoods.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:33 - 1:16:42)
um on Essex Street in particular there's a couple of chunks of property like that so I mean

[Speaker 5] (1:16:44 - 1:16:54)
that can happen I mean people can you know build eight or ten condos whatever they you know if that stuff can get permitted I'm talking about 40 B's I'm talking about like a hostile development that's

[Speaker 4] (1:16:54 - 1:16:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:55 - 1:16:57)
what I'm talking about

[Speaker 4] (1:16:57 - 1:17:00)
I wanted to jump back to the typical lot size page.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:01 - 1:17:03)
Now the cottage cluster,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:03 - 1:17:18)
four to eight, how many, I know that one of the questions we were asking with this is are there locations that are logical for us exploring this?

[Speaker 4] (1:17:20 - 1:17:27)
And if so, how many? Because this is looking like, it's looking like quite

[Speaker 4] (1:17:28 - 1:17:32)
The high end of our square footage is to

[Speaker 1] (1:17:32 - 1:17:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:32 - 1:17:36)
spend time coming up with

[Speaker 4] (1:17:39 - 1:17:50)
a zoning suggestion. I just am curious what we do with that. If it's a cool idea, but it's not once once we look at the reality

[Speaker 5] (1:17:50 - 1:17:50)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:17:50 - 1:17:50)
of our

[Speaker 5] (1:17:50 - 1:17:50)
where

[Speaker 4] (1:17:50 - 1:17:50)
map,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:50 - 1:17:51)
are you going to put it? Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:51 - 1:17:53)
where where are we going to put it? Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:54 - 1:17:54)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:54 - 1:17:55)
And then between the schools,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:56 - 1:17:59)
the schools take up, you know, this municipal land,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:59 - 1:18:04)
so town hall, you know, homestead, you know, the Hadley,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:04 - 1:18:05)
for example,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:05 - 1:18:08)
and you've got the high school, Clark School,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:09 - 1:18:11)
the middle school and Stanley.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:11 - 1:18:13)
I mean, those are the biggest chunks of land.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:13 - 1:18:15)
Obviously, the Tedesco is a whole other issue.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:16 - 1:18:21)
It's private property and there's, you know, that's, you know, there's nothing we can do about that.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:22 - 1:18:25)
Other than that, when you're looking at, you know, Archer Street,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:26 - 1:18:27)
those properties up there,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:27 - 1:18:31)
you know, those have been designated as conservation land,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:31 - 1:18:34)
so that's not something that's going to happen there.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:34 - 1:18:39)
Then you've got the quarry, which is the industrial zone,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:39 - 1:18:41)
cemetery obviously,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:41 - 1:18:47)
so it's, yeah, it's few and far between.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:53 - 1:18:54)
So I think it's an interesting proposal, but

[Speaker 5] (1:18:56 - 1:18:57)
Where are you going to put it?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:58 - 1:18:58)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:58 - 1:18:58)
right exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:59 - 1:19:00)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:00 - 1:19:05)
And I know in our earlier conversation, or at least when we met in September,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:05 - 1:19:18)
we had talked about that a little bit and then decided that the conversions to multifamily might be something to focus on more than cottage cluster.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:20 - 1:19:22)
due to many reasons and having to prioritize.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:46 - 1:19:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:46 - 1:19:47)
want to learn um

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:19:59)
and thinking of how we can use it to get more information and use it as a tool for whatever projects we want to pursue.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:00 - 1:20:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:01 - 1:20:09)
So when you look at all those houses, it was interesting too when we were working on the 3A multi-family district,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:09 - 1:20:13)
we went to some event in Boston that was sponsored by

[Speaker 3] (1:20:14 - 1:20:32)
you know some group that was was working with you know affordable multi-family blah blah blah and it was it was me somebody from Lexington a couple other towns and everybody you know pulled up their maps and it was I felt like I was looking at

[Speaker 3] (1:20:32 - 1:20:56)
I'm back from like you know 1811 or something where there were like a couple little clusters of houses and then just roads and roads and empty land I mean Lexington was like so expansive like little clusters passing and and they're like you know wringing their hands about where to put the 3a and I was like oh my when my map went last which is you know kind of what you're looking at and when

[Speaker 3] (1:20:57 - 1:21:20)
I said well this is going to look really different to all of you there's a reason why we you know little towns that have railroad stations going up the East Coast are going to have a hard time with this because when I pulled it off when I tell you people in the room actually gasped when they saw the density because it was alarming comparing it to other communities truly just amazing

[Speaker 3] (1:21:21 - 1:21:29)
And, you know, I'm so used to looking at it that I was more surprised by looking at other cities and towns.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:30 - 1:21:33)
But it really is something.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:33 - 1:21:37)
You can see why we need that inflow of the nine-nine B.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:38 - 1:21:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:43 - 1:21:45)
Let me, sorry,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:45 - 1:21:46)
I'm only sharing one window,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:46 - 1:21:47)
I realized.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:48 - 1:21:51)
And not the presentation, so hold on one second.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:01 - 1:22:05)
I'm surprised there's only 129 in the 0 to 2500 range.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:06 - 1:22:06)
Uh, and I would

[Speaker 4] (1:22:06 - 1:22:07)
Looking

[Speaker 5] (1:22:07 - 1:22:07)
bet you

[Speaker 4] (1:22:07 - 1:22:07)
at

[Speaker 5] (1:22:07 - 1:22:07)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:22:07 - 1:22:09)
how much white there is on this map.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:09 - 1:22:16)
I would bet you the town owns 99% of those. If you go through GIS and look at municipal property that Swampscott owns.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:16 - 1:22:16)
There

[Speaker 3] (1:22:16 - 1:22:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:16 - 1:22:20)
are a lot of lots that are 200 square feet, 800 square

[Speaker 3] (1:22:20 - 1:22:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:20 - 1:22:24)
feet that the town owns for sewage access,

[Speaker 5] (1:22:24 - 1:22:24)
energy

[Speaker 3] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:25 - 1:22:27)
sites for North

[Speaker 1] (1:22:27 - 1:22:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:27 - 1:22:28)
uh utility providers.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:28 - 1:22:32)
Well, I'm I'm but I'm looking at areas like

[Speaker 4] (1:22:33 - 1:22:34)
uh

[Speaker 4] (1:22:37 - 1:22:41)
what's referred to as the uh the counties

[Speaker 3] (1:22:42 - 1:22:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:43 - 1:22:52)
How many small over, you know, between the Olmstead District and the train station, how many small lots there are in there?

[Speaker 1] (1:22:52 - 1:22:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:53 - 1:22:55)
Yeah. And of course that's the old section.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:55 - 1:22:58)
It was, you know, part of Lynn as you know. So um

[Speaker 4] (1:22:58 - 1:22:58)
Well that's

[Speaker 3] (1:22:58 - 1:22:58)
those are

[Speaker 4] (1:22:58 - 1:22:59)
that's actually

[Speaker 3] (1:22:59 - 1:22:59)
real,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:59 - 1:22:59)
no,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:59 - 1:23:00)
old neighbourhoods.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:00 - 1:23:08)
that's actually not as the section I'm talking about is between Paradise Road and the rover tracks. So the county's that's actually

[Speaker 3] (1:23:08 - 1:23:08)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:08 - 1:23:09)
new

[Speaker 3] (1:23:09 - 1:23:09)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:09 - 1:23:11)
new that developed after the Olmstead district.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:12 - 1:23:12)
by

[Speaker 3] (1:23:12 - 1:23:16)
Yeah, up on like Franklin and Bristol and those streets.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:16 - 1:23:18)
Berkshire, all those,

[Speaker 3] (1:23:18 - 1:23:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:18 - 1:23:18)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:19 - 1:23:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:22 - 1:23:26)
It's funny, I can find my lot easily because it's the white in the forest of blue.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:28 - 1:23:29)
Put the whitest one on there.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:30 - 1:23:31)
A lot of white ones.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:32 - 1:23:34)
See these two little litters.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:40 - 1:23:45)
And there's a railroad that you can see where the where the rail trail is you

[Speaker 5] (1:23:45 - 1:23:45)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (1:23:45 - 1:23:45)
see

[Speaker 5] (1:23:45 - 1:23:45)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:45 - 1:24:05)
where it branches off right there that you're looking at I can't point because you're not going to see my finger but a big blue area kind of smack in the middle where you see the railroad line okay yeah so right around there now watch the one that branches off to the right and goes into Marblehead it's blue now because obviously we pulled up the tracks

[Speaker 3] (1:24:06 - 1:24:06)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:24:06 - 1:24:06)
Right

[Speaker 3] (1:24:06 - 1:24:07)
that was the marble,

[Speaker 3] (1:24:07 - 1:24:08)
and that's it, yep, that's

[Speaker 5] (1:24:08 - 1:24:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:09 - 1:24:10)
the marble and branch line right there.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:10 - 1:24:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:11 - 1:24:13)
Okay, do you actually go up on the tracks?

[Speaker 3] (1:24:13 - 1:24:20)
The original markers are there that say S like granite markers, S for Swamp God and M for Marble, that was really cool.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:23 - 1:24:33)
Not in the location that we're looking at that's on the screen because that's or oh that it is right there where that branch happened, huh?

[Speaker 1] (1:24:33 - 1:24:34)
Yep, right here.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:35 - 1:24:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:35 - 1:24:37)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 1] (1:24:37 - 1:24:43)
And I can go through and link this with our assessor's data for like ownership information and all of that.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:45 - 1:24:46)
I did.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:46 - 1:24:47)
a good movie lot there.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:48 - 1:24:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:48 - 1:24:52)
And when I was putting this together, I did remove right of way.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:52 - 1:24:54)
That's why the because

[Speaker 5] (1:24:54 - 1:24:55)
Oh, good.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:55 - 1:24:55)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:24:56 - 1:24:58)
The parcel layer from the state comes with like

[Speaker 5] (1:24:58 - 1:24:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:59 - 1:25:00)
right of way. So I removed

[Speaker 3] (1:25:00 - 1:25:00)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:25:00 - 1:25:09)
I removed that and excluded it as well as the rail right of this rail right of way. And there were to your earlier point,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:09 - 1:25:14)
Angela, there were some parcels that extended into the water,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:14 - 1:25:20)
but they were labeled water parcels and I removed all of those, which is why you can see right here there's a gap.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:22 - 1:25:27)
And then right up here for Foster Pond, there's a gap also because those were categorized

[Speaker 3] (1:25:27 - 1:25:28)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:28 - 1:25:30)
as water burcells. So we

[Speaker 3] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
can definitely

[Speaker 3] (1:25:30 - 1:25:31)
yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:31 - 1:25:35)
dive in further to all these ones

[Speaker 3] (1:25:35 - 1:25:35)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:25:35 - 1:25:35)
that

[Speaker 3] (1:25:35 - 1:25:38)
see, those are the ones I've been talking about.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:38 - 1:25:39)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:39 - 1:25:40)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:41 - 1:25:42)
That was, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:44 - 1:25:47)
The postage stamps that go into the water.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:47 - 1:25:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:49 - 1:25:50)
A little now.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:50 - 1:25:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:52 - 1:25:54)
Right, but absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:54 - 1:25:55)
it's really fascinating.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:55 - 1:25:57)
I love looking at this.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:58 - 1:26:03)
And we can refine it to make it more useful for referencing

[Speaker 1] (1:26:05 - 1:26:06)
and all of that.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:07 - 1:26:09)
So I can go in and identify,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:09 - 1:26:10)
you

[Speaker 1] (1:26:11 - 1:26:12)
know, wetlands,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:12 - 1:26:13)
conservation land,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:14 - 1:26:15)
anything with deed restrictions.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:17 - 1:26:18)
for conservation,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:18 - 1:26:19)
all

[Speaker 3] (1:26:19 - 1:26:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:19 - 1:26:21)
Yeah, I think to Angela's point earlier,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:21 - 1:26:21)
of the town

[Speaker 5] (1:26:21 - 1:26:23)
what would be informative is all

[Speaker 1] (1:26:23 - 1:26:23)
on land,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:23 - 1:26:25)
of those, yeah, municipal land,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:25 - 1:26:28)
basically anything non-buildable. So municipal land,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:28 - 1:26:28)
right,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:28 - 1:26:29)
open space restriction,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:29 - 1:26:30)
the country club,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:30 - 1:26:32)
because it's a 61B currently,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:32 - 1:26:35)
wetlands, wetlands,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:35 - 1:26:35)
any,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:35 - 1:26:38)
were things in the, I don't recall Angela,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:38 - 1:26:41)
is anything in the velocity zone or one of the...

[Speaker 5] (1:26:42 - 1:26:42)
High

[Speaker 3] (1:26:42 - 1:26:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:42 - 1:26:43)
intensity flood

[Speaker 3] (1:26:43 - 1:26:43)
we

[Speaker 5] (1:26:43 - 1:26:44)
zones right

[Speaker 3] (1:26:44 - 1:26:45)
have B1 properties.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:45 - 1:26:51)
There's a couple on right along Fishies by Barry Allen's house where

[Speaker 5] (1:26:51 - 1:26:51)
right

[Speaker 3] (1:26:51 - 1:26:52)
a partial is,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:52 - 1:26:54)
or your house too,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:54 - 1:26:57)
but with a partial lot is in the B1 zone.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:57 - 1:27:00)
But the way they've changed the zoning line right now,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:00 - 1:27:03)
the new coastal flood area,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:03 - 1:27:05)
what they're calling the flood zone,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:06 - 1:27:11)
which I didn't see updated in the bylaw, by the way, maybe my one I was looking at was old.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:11 - 1:27:13)
But I didn't see the new,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:13 - 1:27:15)
the new bylaw in there.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:15 - 1:27:18)
It should be like flood hazard or flood plain.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:18 - 1:27:19)
I forget what we called it.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:19 - 1:27:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:19 - 1:27:20)
That

[Speaker 1] (1:27:20 - 1:27:20)
Yeah

[Speaker 3] (1:27:20 - 1:27:22)
was last year. Anyway, not to get related to that point.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:24 - 1:27:31)
But that does not in any part of the property is in the V1. Now the whole thing has to go under V1.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:31 - 1:27:32)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (1:27:32 - 1:27:33)
which makes it in one builder.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:33 - 1:27:35)
Like, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:35 - 1:27:35)
exactly.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:38 - 1:27:41)
So you could probably pull that from like the FEMA map and

[Speaker 1] (1:27:41 - 1:27:41)
Yeah, but

[Speaker 5] (1:27:41 - 1:27:41)
then stick

[Speaker 1] (1:27:41 - 1:27:42)
I don't

[Speaker 5] (1:27:42 - 1:27:42)
anything

[Speaker 1] (1:27:42 - 1:27:42)
know if

[Speaker 5] (1:27:42 - 1:27:42)
in

[Speaker 1] (1:27:42 - 1:27:42)
we can

[Speaker 5] (1:27:42 - 1:27:42)
a velocity

[Speaker 1] (1:27:42 - 1:27:43)
do that.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:43 - 1:27:43)
zone

[Speaker 1] (1:27:44 - 1:27:47)
Yes, and we did update the

[Speaker 3] (1:27:47 - 1:27:48)
That's a smart way to look at it.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:48 - 1:27:56)
We did update the zoning bylaw with the red line copy So we actually have extras if you want a new copy any of you

[Speaker 3] (1:27:56 - 1:27:58)
I was probably looking at an old one.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:58 - 1:28:00)
I don't know which one I pulled up.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:00 - 1:28:03)
I just pulled it offline and I thought what the hell is that.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:03 - 1:28:04)
So it was probably my fault.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:04 - 1:28:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:07 - 1:28:10)
No, but I think that would be helpful to Angela's point just for ours

[Speaker 1] (1:28:10 - 1:28:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:10 - 1:28:13)
and other land use boards awareness.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:13 - 1:28:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:14 - 1:28:18)
Yeah, and this can be an interactive map that we use as a tool during meetings,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:19 - 1:28:23)
things like that, that shows what is important to reference.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:24 - 1:28:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:26 - 1:28:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:27 - 1:28:28)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (1:28:28 - 1:28:29)
thank you for putting this together.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:29 - 1:28:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:29 - 1:28:32)
And there's great work and very exciting.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:32 - 1:28:34)
Are you still in the interactive part?

[Speaker 1] (1:28:35 - 1:28:36)
Sorry what?

[Speaker 4] (1:28:36 - 1:28:37)
Are you in the interactive part?

[Speaker 1] (1:28:37 - 1:28:39)
I I was I can go back, yes,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:39 - 1:28:39)
Just

[Speaker 1] (1:28:39 - 1:28:40)
hold on.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:40 - 1:28:46)
out of curiosity, if we take a look at the lot we were looking at at the last petition, just to

[Speaker 3] (1:28:46 - 1:28:46)
Um

[Speaker 4] (1:28:46 - 1:28:50)
see what help it would provide us compared to Google Earth.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:51 - 1:28:52)
Abandon road.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:56 - 1:28:59)
Where is it? Oh.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:59 - 1:28:59)
It's in street.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:59 - 1:29:00)
Manson Street.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:01 - 1:29:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:02 - 1:29:04)
Not Manson Avenue. Not

[Speaker 5] (1:29:04 - 1:29:04)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:04 - 1:29:04)
Manson

[Speaker 5] (1:29:04 - 1:29:05)
but that's the actual property, isn't it?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:06 - 1:29:07)
This is the property.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:07 - 1:29:07)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:07 - 1:29:08)
Oh, and it's

[Speaker 3] (1:29:08 - 1:29:08)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:08 - 1:29:08)
labeled Manson

[Speaker 3] (1:29:08 - 1:29:08)
it's not.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:08 - 1:29:09)
Avenue.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:09 - 1:29:10)
It's labeled

[Speaker 3] (1:29:10 - 1:29:10)
Oh

[Speaker 5] (1:29:10 - 1:29:10)
Manson

[Speaker 3] (1:29:10 - 1:29:11)
my Avenue. god.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:11 - 1:29:15)
And I actually think that the southern part of it is village street in Lynn.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:16 - 1:29:19)
So this is the Esri, like, Arc Map base map.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:25 - 1:29:25)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:29:25 - 1:29:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:25 - 1:29:26)
one with the

[Speaker 1] (1:29:26 - 1:29:26)
no

[Speaker 2] (1:29:26 - 1:29:26)
imagery

[Speaker 1] (1:29:26 - 1:29:26)
worries, I

[Speaker 2] (1:29:26 - 1:29:26)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:29:26 - 1:29:26)
think that's

[Speaker 2] (1:29:26 - 1:29:27)
I selected.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:27 - 1:29:28)
probably why there was confusion.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:28 - 1:29:30)
Um yeah, this

[Speaker 4] (1:29:30 - 1:29:30)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:30 - 1:29:30)
is not

[Speaker 4] (1:29:30 - 1:29:31)
we were calling it Manson Road.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:32 - 1:29:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:32 - 1:29:34)
Yeah, the fact that it's av,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:34 - 1:29:34)
when

[Speaker 5] (1:29:34 - 1:29:34)
Not necessary.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:34 - 1:29:37)
we had the problem with RSS had it as road,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:37 - 1:29:41)
they had it as street, so now, yeah, this source has it as av,

[Speaker 6] (1:29:41 - 1:29:41)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:41 - 1:29:41)
which is,

[Speaker 6] (1:29:41 - 1:29:42)
that light

[Speaker 2] (1:29:42 - 1:29:42)
this

[Speaker 6] (1:29:42 - 1:29:44)
on the corner there is the one we're looking at.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:44 - 1:29:44)
one right here.

[Speaker 7] (1:29:44 - 1:29:45)
Yes. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:46 - 1:29:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:29:46 - 1:29:48)
Then it looks like it spreads over to the neighbor's property,

[Speaker 7] (1:29:48 - 1:29:50)
but maybe they're just combined.

[Speaker 7] (1:29:50 - 1:29:50)
Yeah, there you go.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:51 - 1:29:52)
So the

[Speaker 6] (1:29:53 - 1:29:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:54 - 1:30:00)
Parcel lines are a little, there's like a 5 to 15 foot disclaimer on how they show up with imagery,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:00 - 1:30:04)
especially because this base map isn't ours,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:04 - 1:30:13)
it's like a national one that Esri provides. It's not necessarily the parcel lines that are off, it's the underlying imagery that might be a little bit off,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:13 - 1:30:17)
depending on where we're pulling it from.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19)
Um.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:27 - 1:30:29)
Yeah, it might be. It's like a little skewed.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:29 - 1:30:32)
Oh, but that actually does a pretty good job of delineating what we have

[Speaker 7] (1:30:32 - 1:30:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:30:32 - 1:30:33)
to do.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:33 - 1:30:34)
but it's not as actually.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:34 - 1:30:36)
But we were just trying to scribe

[Speaker 4] (1:30:36 - 1:30:37)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 6] (1:30:37 - 1:30:37)
out.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:37 - 1:30:40)
a that's a confusing situation.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:40 - 1:30:40)
It is.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:40 - 1:30:44)
I was glad that he was here to be able to tell that the neighbor's got together and paid.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:44 - 1:30:45)
Greg's not the only one.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:46 - 1:30:47)
So you can turn layers transparent.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:47 - 1:30:48)
Oh

[Speaker 2] (1:30:48 - 1:30:50)
This is like available to all

[Speaker 7] (1:30:50 - 1:30:50)
that's cool.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:50 - 1:30:52)
of you. So if you want to...

[Speaker 4] (1:30:52 - 1:30:55)
I should have hosts that live in the house or something sort of

[Speaker 6] (1:30:55 - 1:30:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:56 - 1:30:57)
It's nice. Nice meeting you.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:57 - 1:30:59)
This is got me.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:59 - 1:31:03)
I love fiddling around with GIS and this is this is like thrilling to me.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:05 - 1:31:12)
Yeah. And any ideas that you come up with, we're excited about it. So yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:12 - 1:31:12)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:12 - 1:31:17)
I'll make notes on this stuff I've already unless you did stuff I already mentioned.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:18 - 1:31:21)
I did take notes, but if you have them ready and prepared,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:21 - 1:31:23)
that's helpful also.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:23 - 1:31:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:24 - 1:31:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:25 - 1:31:27)
Then I, sorry,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:28 - 1:31:35)
I had one last just like overall slide that was basically.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:36 - 1:31:43)
Just additional next steps. These are things that I said I was going to do at our earlier meeting in September.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:43 - 1:31:49)
So compiling best practices and sample zoning for single family conversions. This is on the list.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:50 - 1:32:01)
You know, imagery and examples of successful conversions as well as getting some information from building and fire on considerations.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:02 - 1:32:03)
for that as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:03 - 1:32:06)
So hasn't been forgotten.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:06 - 1:32:06)
It's

[Speaker 8] (1:32:06 - 1:32:07)
Oh, good.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:07 - 1:32:18)
been really busy, but I wanted to at least show you that we were able to do some of what we talked about in that meeting because we did talk about this parcel size analysis in town.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:18 - 1:32:19)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:19 - 1:32:20)
That's great.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:20 - 1:32:24)
So I would take a different side of the coin as my dear colleague Jer here.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:26 - 1:32:33)
To me, that reads as one in five parcels in Swampscott could potentially meet that fifteen thousand or higher square footage count for cottage cluster.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:33 - 1:32:40)
I'm not suggesting we dive into it, but it was in our housing production plan that w that we look into that, that we adopted last year.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:40 - 1:32:46)
So I would suggest and again I defer to the board and your office thinks that we

[Speaker 8] (1:32:47 - 1:32:50)
throw that in for a TAP grant and see if I

[Speaker 2] (1:32:50 - 1:32:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:50 - 1:32:53)
mean we haven't had one of those grants

[Speaker 8] (1:32:53 - 1:32:58)
uh or similar grant for housing production and kind of zoning changes

[Speaker 8] (1:32:58 - 1:33:00)
I don't know, in in some time.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:01 - 1:33:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:01 - 1:33:02)
So I think it's worth throwing as many

[Speaker 8] (1:33:04 - 1:33:04)
rings

[Speaker 2] (1:33:04 - 1:33:04)
So many

[Speaker 8] (1:33:04 - 1:33:14)
in the options. fire as we can and see what we get, and they'll help us figure out if it's worth it, if it's not worth it, if it's good or bad, which is kind of over my technical skill set,

[Speaker 2] (1:33:14 - 1:33:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:15 - 1:33:19)
um it will also help us with engagement, that sort of thing. So So ever help they give us?

[Speaker 6] (1:33:19 - 1:33:19)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:19 - 1:33:21)
I think is helpful,

[Speaker 4] (1:33:21 - 1:33:22)
The whatever one

[Speaker 8] (1:33:22 - 1:33:22)
there

[Speaker 4] (1:33:22 - 1:33:22)
thing

[Speaker 8] (1:33:22 - 1:33:22)
be

[Speaker 4] (1:33:22 - 1:33:23)
that

[Speaker 8] (1:33:23 - 1:33:23)
that is.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:23 - 1:33:39)
I think I would hope for, because of the type of impact that that kind of design, before putting something like that through, I think we need to have much more advanced design review

[Speaker 8] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
Cool.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
than

[Speaker 8] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
Totally.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:39 - 1:33:40)
we currently have, because

[Speaker 2] (1:33:40 - 1:33:41)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:41 - 1:33:44)
I'm really thrown by what comes at us,

[Speaker 4] (1:33:45 - 1:33:46)
quality of what comes at

[Speaker 2] (1:33:46 - 1:33:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:47 - 1:33:48)
us. And it's...

[Speaker 4] (1:33:49 - 1:33:53)
I think it speaks to a lack of design review

[Speaker 8] (1:33:53 - 1:33:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:54 - 1:33:58)
in this town and if sort of lands on us

[Speaker 4] (1:33:59 - 1:33:59)
to

[Speaker 8] (1:33:59 - 1:34:00)
On the fly.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:00 - 1:34:02)
on the fly, but it's also

[Speaker 4] (1:34:04 - 1:34:11)
it's also a difficult place to review from because

[Speaker 4] (1:34:12 - 1:34:17)
It's it's somehow getting folded into will you just cite what

[Speaker 8] (1:34:17 - 1:34:17)
What you just

[Speaker 4] (1:34:17 - 1:34:17)
you review?

[Speaker 8] (1:34:17 - 1:34:24)
had to do with like drawing things and all that sort of stuff, which you had to do, doesn't translate well to doing in a meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:24 - 1:34:27)
Well, but the other part of that is that what that that isn't doing anything.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:27 - 1:34:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:27 - 1:34:28)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:28 - 1:34:34)
Like me sketching it to to understand it and me saying this I there there was it would have been such

[Speaker 4] (1:34:35 - 1:34:38)
gymnastics to move that into the conditions but

[Speaker 8] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:38 - 1:34:40)
um you know

[Speaker 8] (1:34:40 - 1:34:40)
That

[Speaker 4] (1:34:40 - 1:34:40)
the

[Speaker 8] (1:34:40 - 1:34:41)
would have been a disaster

[Speaker 4] (1:34:41 - 1:34:41)
type

[Speaker 8] (1:34:41 - 1:34:41)
of emotion.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:41 - 1:34:44)
the type of the

[Speaker 4] (1:34:46 - 1:34:57)
type of review that this kind of cluster housing would need to go to to minimize really negative impact on adjacent properties

[Speaker 4] (1:34:58 - 1:35:02)
Um, we can barely keep it up on small individual

[Speaker 9] (1:35:02 - 1:35:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:02 - 1:35:07)
buildings and you know, there's there's one coming I'm really concerned about.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:07 - 1:35:16)
I I just want to be clear. I'm not suggesting we dive forward with it. I'm just saying if we get a grant and they come back and say here's a way to make it work, here's why you shouldn't make it work, whatever they're the experts.

[Speaker 9] (1:35:16 - 1:35:16)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:16 - 1:35:18)
But um yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
But I

[Speaker 4] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
but I just just think

[Speaker 8] (1:35:18 - 1:35:19)
agree with you.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:19 - 1:35:25)
I think before we come forward with anything like that, I I do feel we don't have the tool kit.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:25 - 1:35:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:26 - 1:35:30)
To manage that kind of development.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:31 - 1:35:34)
in a way that wouldn't be detrimental to our community.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:35 - 1:35:45)
Well that's something I would hope that these folks can help us with and then other grants because a lot of the areas that have that zoning have incredibly strict design guidelines for

[Speaker 7] (1:35:45 - 1:35:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:45 - 1:35:54)
the applications. They have, for lack of better term, they have form-based code for that with requirements for aesthetics that we don't have that

[Speaker 4] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
if Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:54 - 1:35:56)
we, if any town,

[Speaker 8] (1:35:56 - 1:35:58)
especially if Swampshire were to pursue something like that.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:58 - 1:36:00)
I would imagine that would be a requirement,

[Speaker 8] (1:36:00 - 1:36:02)
should be a requirement to have really strict

[Speaker 7] (1:36:02 - 1:36:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:02 - 1:36:03)
aesthetic guidelines.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:03 - 1:36:03)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:03 - 1:36:06)
And I think where you have the scale town,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:06 - 1:36:07)
it would make sense.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:08 - 1:36:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:08 - 1:36:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:09 - 1:36:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:10 - 1:36:18)
I think where we're going to run into problems is, and this is just my opinion, is where we go with everything is that if we don't have a space.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:19 - 1:36:40)
to put something where you know something that could for example where you could implement a form-based code even on a very small project where there's room for it and where it can actually be done in a way that is profitable for the builder and you know isn't you know outrageous for

[Speaker 7] (1:36:41 - 1:37:06)
So I guess that's where I get caught up in these things is, you know, well what we hear and I'm not, you know, I'm not in the building trade so you know I'm just telling you what you know you guys know already what we hear is that in order for an affordable housing any kind of project for someone to be able to create multi-family units and have it be

[Speaker 7] (1:37:07 - 1:37:20)
you know financially feasible is that we need to have these you know vast numbers of apartments and I just you know that's the kind of thing I just don't think we can support much more of that

[Speaker 8] (1:37:20 - 1:37:21)
I completely agree.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:22 - 1:37:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:22 - 1:37:32)
And that's at least the thought process I went down when I tried to look at this was how do we find a way to do the multifamily housing thing that we're.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:33 - 1:37:45)
we have in our production plan, but without putting ourselves in a corner where we're looking at twenty unit plus buildings as our only form of multi-family. Two unit or twenty unit plus as the only form.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:45 - 1:37:45)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:37:46 - 1:37:46)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:46 - 1:37:53)
M_A_P_C_ and whoever they have work with towns, if they get grants, I'm sure are um they've done this before. So

[Speaker 2] (1:37:53 - 1:37:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:53 - 1:37:54)
I think they'd be able to help

[Speaker 2] (1:37:54 - 1:37:55)
And one thing about

[Speaker 8] (1:37:55 - 1:37:55)
whatever

[Speaker 2] (1:37:55 - 1:37:55)
the top

[Speaker 8] (1:37:55 - 1:37:56)
you see.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:56 - 1:37:57)
program is

[Speaker 2] (1:37:58 - 1:38:04)
If other towns in the area are interested in the same types of updates,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:04 - 1:38:09)
they can do a cohort model which makes it more likely that we would receive funding,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:09 - 1:38:14)
but we would kind of be going down that road with other towns who have similar goals.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:15 - 1:38:20)
So that's just another way that they can assess more towns at the same time.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:22 - 1:38:24)
So that is very interesting. Another...

[Speaker 2] (1:38:26 - 1:38:39)
thing to note is I do think it's important to at least do the due diligence with some sort of parcel size analysis before embarking down any road just because

[Speaker 2] (1:38:42 - 1:39:03)
In my previous role I worked on zoning audits and sometimes you would just hear from towns we passed this bylaw and we've never been able to use it because there's no real life scenario where it would actually happen and that's a lot of work to do for something that sounds very exciting and new and there's no actual you know scenarios where it could occur in

[Speaker 4] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03)
town.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03)
impractical.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:03 - 1:39:04)
So yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:39:04 - 1:39:05)
And that's that's and

[Speaker 2] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:05 - 1:39:06)
we've done

[Speaker 6] (1:39:06 - 1:39:07)
That's where my concern is on this

[Speaker 4] (1:39:07 - 1:39:09)
then that's something that we've done and Tom's got a lot on it.

[Speaker 8] (1:39:10 - 1:39:13)
Not a lot, but we've done zoning stuff where stuff doesn't happen for a while.

[Speaker 10] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
But if you come Friday.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15)
but that's

[Speaker 2] (1:39:15 - 1:39:16)
Right. So,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:16 - 1:39:17)
where I would hope,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:26)
and I've read some of the reports MAPC has done on this, they give insight into here's the barriers you're going to come up with for implementation,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:26 - 1:39:31)
and that leads to a broader, more informed conversation.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:32 - 1:39:38)
But I think it's worth at least throwing a grant application in and seeing what technical expertise they could provide.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:42 - 1:39:43)
Can't hurt.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:43 - 1:39:49)
Yeah, and I can't imagine any of these would be ready for a town meeting this year.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:50 - 1:39:56)
I think if we receive technical assistance it would be a much longer process

[Speaker 1] (1:39:56 - 1:39:56)
I agree.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:56 - 1:39:57)
and I do

[Speaker 1] (1:39:57 - 1:39:57)
Could

[Speaker 4] (1:39:57 - 1:39:57)
think

[Speaker 1] (1:39:57 - 1:39:57)
be.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:57 - 1:39:59)
that we

[Speaker 4] (1:40:01 - 1:40:07)
would be doing ourselves a disservice if we weren't adequately prepared when we brought something before town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:07 - 1:40:08)
I agree.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:10 - 1:40:13)
That's not to say it's not something we can be working on right now.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:13 - 1:40:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:13 - 1:40:14)
So.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:14 - 1:40:24)
Agreed. I think my point in saying that was I am not under the illusion that in the next three months we're going to snap our fingers and have some perfect thing for town meeting, or something at all for town meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:24 - 1:40:34)
Yeah, if it turns out we can identify, you know, some no-brainer, easy amendments that we think make sense,

[Speaker 4] (1:40:34 - 1:40:38)
you know, that could be something that we could pursue.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:40 - 1:40:40)
Is a minimal

[Speaker 6] (1:40:40 - 1:40:40)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:40 - 1:40:54)
lot size change something mean looking at this data it doesn't make to me doesn't make sense that we based on the minimum lot size we have are having sixty four percent at a minimum of our lots in town be

[Speaker 1] (1:40:54 - 1:40:59)
pre-existing non-conforming so we're just creating an artificial barrier right

[Speaker 7] (1:40:59 - 1:41:19)
lots that they're all built on and you know what they don't have what they don't have are the setbacks that are required I mean a lot of these tiny lots just have houses that are built right out to the you know right out to the property line practically so I mean this you know it was done because of you know

[Speaker 7] (1:41:20 - 1:41:42)
what the land that was available of years so-and-so over the land and they you know their uncle built a house next to them and that became a separate lot you know it was who whatever I'm not you know not a I don't have a crystal ball on every single thing but you can see you know based on when buildings were built that you know a lot of post-war stuff right

[Speaker 7] (1:41:43 - 1:42:04)
um and uh you know those were an art or even going way back to the turn of the century like you know late 1800s and that was you know parts of Swampscott that were that were um you know just kind of the oldest parts of town basically where people just you know they had a little scrap of land and they stuck their house on it so

[Speaker 1] (1:42:04 - 1:42:05)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:05 - 1:42:11)
um it's not like we have a whole bunch of undersized lots empty sitting around

[Speaker 1] (1:42:12 - 1:42:13)
Completely agreed.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:13 - 1:42:13)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:42:13 - 1:42:13)
I think

[Speaker 8] (1:42:13 - 1:42:13)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:42:13 - 1:42:13)
it was...

[Speaker 8] (1:42:13 - 1:42:17)
would be interesting to know what percentage are

[Speaker 4] (1:42:17 - 1:42:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:17 - 1:42:34)
undeveloped, certainly know what percentage, because when we look at these counts of how many lots that we have over a total area of 20,000 to 40,000 square feet,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:34 - 1:42:38)
we have 392, but I want to know once we take

[Speaker 8] (1:42:40 - 1:42:43)
condominiums out of that or we take all of the developed

[Speaker 4] (1:42:43 - 1:42:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:43 - 1:42:59)
land out of that what that leaves us with from this fifteen thousand to twenty thousand all the way down to eighty thousand plus you know how many buildable lots is that and how many privately owned lots is that

[Speaker 4] (1:42:59 - 1:42:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:59 - 1:43:07)
in that range that that's where I think the the story will be told because that is supposedly

[Speaker 8] (1:43:08 - 1:43:13)
the range we're looking for, that fifteen plus

[Speaker 4] (1:43:13 - 1:43:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:14 - 1:43:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:14 - 1:43:23)
range is the range we're looking for the cottage clusters to function on. So, that makes it makes sense to really know how many we have in there to continue

[Speaker 4] (1:43:23 - 1:43:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:23 - 1:43:24)
the conversation.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:24 - 1:43:31)
I think, you know, similar to the analysis that was done for 3A, we need to know um

[Speaker 4] (1:43:32 - 1:43:38)
you know, where the wetlands are, what the ownership is, and um that's definitely something that I can dive into.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:38 - 1:43:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:39 - 1:43:50)
I was more asking is that something we should look at. Is that something worth thinking about as is that lot minimum lot size, the twenty thousand plus serving us well and is that the right thing? I don't have a

[Speaker 1] (1:43:51 - 1:43:51)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:43:51 - 1:43:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:51 - 1:43:52)
don't

[Speaker 4] (1:43:52 - 1:43:52)
I c

[Speaker 1] (1:43:52 - 1:43:53)
have an answer to that. I don't have a condition.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:53 - 1:43:55)
When you say the twenty tha oh for a one?

[Speaker 1] (1:43:56 - 1:44:00)
Our minimum lot size regardless, yeah, twenty thousand. I mean A_ one is thirty thousand, A_

[Speaker 8] (1:44:00 - 1:44:01)
Thirty

[Speaker 1] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
two is

[Speaker 8] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
thousand.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:01 - 1:44:03)
twenty thousand, three and four is ten thousand.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:03 - 1:44:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:03 - 1:44:12)
It there are and when you look at the average lot sizes or the lot sizes in town, we have so many that are not forming. I understand they're all built upon

[Speaker 8] (1:44:12 - 1:44:12)
When

[Speaker 1] (1:44:12 - 1:44:13)
there we many

[Speaker 8] (1:44:13 - 1:44:13)
look at

[Speaker 1] (1:44:13 - 1:44:13)
of them are.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:13 - 1:44:20)
these lot frontages, my assumption is these numbers are pulled out of a Midwestern

[Speaker 8] (1:44:21 - 1:44:24)
planning guide from nineteen fifty four

[Speaker 4] (1:44:24 - 1:44:24)
Yeah, they're d

[Speaker 8] (1:44:24 - 1:44:28)
um where you're dealing with a mile-square grid.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:28 - 1:44:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:28 - 1:44:28)
Um

[Speaker 4] (1:44:28 - 1:44:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:29 - 1:44:39)
I actually grew up a place where your lot line your uh your road frontages were a hundred twenty five feet. A hundred twenty five feet here is a minimum lot

[Speaker 4] (1:44:39 - 1:44:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:39 - 1:44:39)
frontage.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:40 - 1:44:41)
It's three lots.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:41 - 1:44:47)
Yes. That's three lots, exactly. Um you know, it is it is a case where

[Speaker 8] (1:44:47 - 1:44:52)
I I'll also say when it comes to our setbacks, our frontages, everything,

[Speaker 8] (1:44:53 - 1:44:57)
us having these standards to work against,

[Speaker 8] (1:44:57 - 1:45:00)
I don't think there's a way to set standards here.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:00 - 1:45:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:01 - 1:45:04)
With the topography and with the existing lots,

[Speaker 8] (1:45:04 - 1:45:11)
a lot of our stuff when it comes to setbacks should relate to adjacent properties.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:12 - 1:45:13)
It's really establishing.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:14 - 1:45:37)
you know, if you're not breaking up the rhythm of a street, not you know really having a very intentional look at things, not trying to do this with a with a tape measure but actually looking at what the what the impact of it, because very often you take this sort of modern impact and you end up a sawtooth thing with a street,

[Speaker 4] (1:45:37 - 1:45:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:37 - 1:45:39)
if there's buildable lots.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:39 - 1:45:43)
Uh I know we don't have many, but you know it is.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:45 - 1:46:07)
It creates some difficulties. And the same thing with setbacks when it comes to, you know, the standard setbacks everywhere doesn't lead to the best design. You know, there's very interesting spaces where outbuildings are much closer to the rear and the side lot to allow for better.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:08 - 1:46:19)
spaces. 'Cause all we're doing when you when you increase the distance to the rear and the side lot and it's a freestanding structure, you're creating dead zones

[Speaker 4] (1:46:19 - 1:46:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:19 - 1:46:23)
that accumulate waste and so forth

[Speaker 1] (1:46:23 - 1:46:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:23 - 1:46:34)
instead of livable large spaces. So I think the intent of a lot of this is good, but I think the outcome from a lot of it is actually not good.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:34 - 1:46:38)
um for our communities because it messes up with the rhythm of the structures.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:39 - 1:46:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:39 - 1:46:45)
And uh we are working within a pretty historic context. So

[Speaker 4] (1:46:45 - 1:46:45)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:45 - 1:46:49)
all of a sudden putting different policies over it doesn't make sense.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:50 - 1:46:51)
More review.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:51 - 1:46:57)
When you look at this and you see the percentages, it just begs the question, is it serving us the right?

[Speaker 1] (1:46:57 - 1:47:02)
Is this the best way we should be doing it and is the circumstance the right way? I don't know the answer to that. I haven't thought about it enough.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:02 - 1:47:02)
But

[Speaker 8] (1:47:02 - 1:47:02)
I can give you

[Speaker 1] (1:47:02 - 1:47:03)
I wanted

[Speaker 8] (1:47:03 - 1:47:03)
one,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:03 - 1:47:03)
to ask the question.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:03 - 1:47:04)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:47:04 - 1:47:04)
Mm

[Speaker 8] (1:47:04 - 1:47:09)
can give you one response on that as someone that has one of these lots that's under 2500 square feet.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:10 - 1:47:15)
The fact that it's non-conforming allows there to be a judgment.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:15 - 1:47:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:16 - 1:47:17)
And that's actually helpful.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:18 - 1:47:18)
Yep, the

[Speaker 8] (1:47:18 - 1:47:18)
Because

[Speaker 4] (1:47:18 - 1:47:19)
finding.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:19 - 1:47:21)
if we start playing with that number,

[Speaker 8] (1:47:23 - 1:47:28)
Then How does it become conforming but they can't meet the setbacks or they

[Speaker 1] (1:47:28 - 1:47:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:28 - 1:47:34)
can't, you know, it Yeah. is a tricky thing. So sometimes maybe as they made these

[Speaker 8] (1:47:35 - 1:47:46)
policies they were recognising it, well that just needs to go in front of a board and the decisions can be made and arguments can be made and and so on.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:46 - 1:47:49)
So that maybe it gives us more flexibility

[Speaker 8] (1:47:50 - 1:47:54)
By having more of our odd little lots out of compliance

[Speaker 1] (1:47:55 - 1:47:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:55 - 1:47:58)
so there can be a decision instead of it's just not meeting it.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:01 - 1:48:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:01 - 1:48:02)
Thanks for the question.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:02 - 1:48:04)
Yep, I don't I don't know.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:05 - 1:48:13)
I know I've been I've been advised because of the oddity of my lot that it is likely I could get some things approved that

[Speaker 8] (1:48:14 - 1:48:20)
Don't make any sense like don't make any sense for what the actual rules are when you see Right. it You

[Speaker 4] (1:48:20 - 1:48:20)
You just need the

[Speaker 8] (1:48:20 - 1:48:21)
have street frontage,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:21 - 1:48:27)
finding that it's not substantially more detrimental rather than a variance finding.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:27 - 1:48:29)
I'm not allowed to express it right right

[Speaker 8] (1:48:30 - 1:48:32)
right of way, but not

[Speaker 1] (1:48:32 - 1:48:34)
Well, thank you for compiling this, Krista.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:35 - 1:48:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:36 - 1:48:39)
If any of you have any more thoughts or comments or ideas,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:39 - 1:48:40)
please let me know.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:42 - 1:48:46)
We're very excited to have GIS. I can make any type of web map that

[Speaker 7] (1:48:46 - 1:48:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:47 - 1:48:48)
you think of.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:48 - 1:48:50)
So yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:50 - 1:48:54)
whatever ideas you have that can help us with planning in town,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:54 - 1:48:58)
you know, we can make it interactive. We can use it as a tool,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:58 - 1:49:05)
whatever you think that we need to do, we can do all types

[Speaker 1] (1:49:05 - 1:49:05)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:05 - 1:49:07)
of analysis. So it's very exciting.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:08 - 1:49:09)
I'll put my list together.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:10 - 1:49:10)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:10 - 1:49:11)
back to you.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:12 - 1:49:12)
Send it to you.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:13 - 1:49:14)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:15 - 1:49:18)
And I know, I think you mentioned it earlier,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:18 - 1:49:24)
but I did put together the draft 2026 board meeting schedule. I know.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:25 - 1:49:26)
We might want to wait until

[Speaker 4] (1:49:26 - 1:49:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:26 - 1:49:35)
Joe is here to actually adopt it, but please take a look at it and if you have any conflicts or thoughts on these dates.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:36 - 1:49:42)
Um please bring them to the next meeting so that we can hopefully pass this um at

[Speaker 5] (1:49:42 - 1:49:43)
Yeah, I think that's

[Speaker 2] (1:49:43 - 1:49:44)
at the next meeting, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:44 - 1:49:46)
That's right. And if you can circulate this by email after the meeting.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:47 - 1:49:47)
Yeah, yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:47 - 1:49:48)
Perfect.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:48 - 1:49:50)
Just I want to make sure Joe has a chance to look at this as well but because

[Speaker 6] (1:49:50 - 1:49:51)
He can sit

[Speaker 2] (1:49:51 - 1:49:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:49:51 - 1:49:51)
right here.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:51 - 1:49:51)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:49:51 - 1:49:52)
Oh, I gave you perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:52 - 1:49:52)
I d

[Speaker 5] (1:49:52 - 1:49:53)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:53 - 1:49:55)
I added it with the agenda, I think.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
Um

[Speaker 5] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
great.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:55 - 1:49:57)
but I'll send it again.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:58 - 1:49:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:01 - 1:50:05)
So this is this is the standard second Monday of the month.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:05 - 1:50:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:06 - 1:50:08)
Yeah, and except for October.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:09)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:10 - 1:50:13)
And that was just my suggested day.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:13 - 1:50:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:13 - 1:50:18)
It doesn't have to be that day if you all agree on a different day to change it to.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:18 - 1:50:28)
I would think we can adopt this and then extenuating circumstances if something comes up where we obviously have multiple conflicts and won't meet a quorum, whatever,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:28 - 1:50:29)
with enough notice,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:29 - 1:50:29)
we're

[Speaker 2] (1:50:29 - 1:50:30)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:30 - 1:50:31)
able to make a decision on the fly.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:31 - 1:50:32)
But it's...

[Speaker 2] (1:50:32 - 1:50:33)
Mm hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:33 - 1:50:36)
Better for Krista to be equipped to give applicants hard deadlines.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:36 - 1:50:37)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:37 - 1:50:38)
it's also

[Speaker 7] (1:50:38 - 1:50:38)
I mean, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:38 - 1:50:39)
and for us to have ourselves

[Speaker 2] (1:50:39 - 1:50:39)
it's

[Speaker 5] (1:50:39 - 1:50:39)
we're

[Speaker 2] (1:50:39 - 1:50:42)
also for reserving the rooms in advance.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:42 - 1:50:42)
good

[Speaker 2] (1:50:42 - 1:50:46)
It's extremely helpful because I know sometimes.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:47 - 1:50:48)
We're all happy to be in V01-29.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:48 - 1:50:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:49 - 1:50:50)
We're very happy to be here.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:50 - 1:50:54)
So that's why we'll make sure like at the beginning of the year we have all of the dates reserved.

[Speaker 7] (1:50:58 - 1:51:00)
We are quite fortunate holiday wise.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:00 - 1:51:01)
Yeah

[Speaker 7] (1:51:03 - 1:51:03)
But

[Speaker 5] (1:51:03 - 1:51:03)
There's

[Speaker 7] (1:51:03 - 1:51:03)
they were totally

[Speaker 5] (1:51:03 - 1:51:04)
only one Monday.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:04 - 1:51:05)
surprised.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:05 - 1:51:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:05 - 1:51:05)
And

[Speaker 5] (1:51:05 - 1:51:06)
And second Monday.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:06 - 1:51:06)
that,

[Speaker 7] (1:51:06 - 1:51:08)
okay. Maybe that just doesn't land as

[Speaker 7] (1:51:09 - 1:51:10)
severely.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:12 - 1:51:15)
Any other business not reasonably foreseen?

[Speaker 2] (1:51:17 - 1:51:20)
Um, just take a look at the minutes for next time.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:20 - 1:51:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:21 - 1:51:21)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:21 - 1:51:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:21 - 1:51:25)
and I will email those to you, Angela. I printed them out, um,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:25 - 1:51:26)
but I'll send you a copy.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:29 - 1:51:33)
Any motions to adjourn? There we go.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:33 - 1:51:35)
To adjourn. So moved.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:35 - 1:51:36)
All right, second.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:36 - 1:51:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:37 - 1:51:38)
Me second.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:39 - 1:51:39)
I'm just,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:40 - 1:51:40)
okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:41 - 1:51:42)
All those in favor,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:42 - 1:51:43)
Angela Ippolito,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:43 - 1:51:45)
Bill Quinn,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:45 - 1:51:48)
your germa, Ted Dooley, aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:48 - 1:51:49)
All right. Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:49 - 1:51:49)
Thanks,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:49 - 1:51:50)
Thanks, Angela.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:50 - 1:51:50)
everyone.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:50 - 1:51:51)
Bye-bye.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:51 - 1:51:52)
Bye.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
Bye.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
Bye.