[Speaker 1] (0:26 - 0:28) um CIC joint meeting. [Speaker 2] (0:28 - 0:29) Okay. [Speaker 1] (0:29 - 0:30) Um I will [Speaker 1] (0:31 - 0:39) Okay you're good. Um so I will call the select board meeting um to order and um [Speaker 1] (0:40 - 0:45) I guess with a motion we will enter into our meeting. We don't need a motion. Thank you. [Speaker 1] (0:46 - 0:46) Do you [Speaker 3] (0:46 - 0:46) call [Speaker 1] (0:46 - 0:46) and anyone [Speaker 2] (0:46 - 0:46) I a second? [Speaker 3] (0:46 - 0:47) for any meeting in order? [Speaker 1] (0:47 - 0:48) Go ahead. [Speaker 3] (0:48 - 0:50) I will find it's committee meeting. We don't really vote [Speaker 1] (0:50 - 0:51) Yeah we don't yeah okay. [Speaker 1] (0:52 - 0:57) So we have a couple of quick updates before we start. [Speaker 1] (0:58 - 0:59) Thanks for joining us. [Speaker 1] (1:00 - 1:06) The TRI-CHAIR has been diligently meeting in order to set up the idea of the financial summit. [Speaker 1] (1:07 - 1:12) We sort of decided that because there were a lot of moving pieces, [Speaker 1] (1:12 - 1:16) some positions that are vacant. [Speaker 1] (1:17 - 1:21) In lieu of a broad sweeping financial summit, [Speaker 1] (1:21 - 1:22) we would try to do some mini sessions. [Speaker 1] (1:22 - 1:29) So this is the first of what we hope is like a quarterly or more frequently depending on time joint meeting. [Speaker 1] (1:30 - 1:36) Thank you all for making time in your schedule and being flexible to reschedule from last week. Appreciate that. [Speaker 1] (1:37 - 1:38) A couple of notes from Joe. [Speaker 1] (1:39 - 1:43) Because the Senior Center is not acoustically perfect, [Speaker 1] (1:43 - 1:51) the feedback in here is aggressive. So if you could just make sure you lean in to speak or pull the microphone closer to you. [Speaker 1] (1:51 - 1:59) Also try not to mess with the on and off. If we could just leave it on unless you're having a private discussion. [Speaker 1] (1:59 - 2:09) session, um Joseph that will help with the feedback. Um so I'm Katie Phelan, Select Board Chair, Eric and Amy and I um [Speaker 1] (2:10 - 2:14) are excited to start with the agenda presented. [Speaker 1] (2:14 - 2:18) The request is that because we are only slotted for two hours here, [Speaker 1] (2:18 - 2:20) that we really do try to stick to the agenda. [Speaker 1] (2:21 - 2:25) So if a topic comes up that is not on the agenda or we get too far down a rabbit hole, [Speaker 1] (2:25 - 2:35) that's why we put up these handy little post-its and we'll write things down for future meetings and Tri-Chair will create agendas based on feedback. [Speaker 1] (2:36 - 2:41) that is happening at this meeting for future meetings. Um see there's that feedback. [Speaker 1] (2:43 - 2:58) Um so uh we will start with public comments. If there is public comments uh we will limit it to three minutes and we will not be taking public comment during our discussion. So if you have any public comment on the agenda at all, now is the time. [Speaker 1] (2:59 - 3:00) Please, Mr. [Speaker 1] (3:00 - 3:00) Patsios. [Speaker 3] (3:04 - 3:32) Hi, Charlie Patsios. Um my my uh comment is regarding the Hawthorne by the Sea restaurant and the closing this Saturday and the auction that's here. I strongly urge the select board to empower the the town administrator to bid on this particular auction. Why? We'll know what the items are gonna be worth in order for you to keep this restaurant intact and to have the opportunity to possibly allow someone to come in and rent it if you keep all the equipment within the restaurant. [Speaker 4] (3:33 - 3:44) as becoming the owners of the equipment within it, you'll have a high chance of renting it compared to having all this equipment removed and having zero chance of renting it as a functioning restaurant. [Speaker 4] (3:44 - 3:49) We'll know approximately what the value of the equipment is based on the auction results, [Speaker 4] (3:49 - 4:02) and I'm going to just pick a n not an arbitrary number, but a rough number, ninety to a hundred and ten thousand dollars. We'll know what the value of the equ what the items are worth individually to people. We'll also know what it's worth to the town. If we pay that [Speaker 4] (4:02 - 4:21) that number, whatever it is, will have an opportunity to lease it to someone else as a functioning restaurant, with all the equipment, tables, chairs, dishes, forks, knives, equipment and we'll have a functioning restaurant the next day. We will not have a functioning restaurant if we allow the auction to proceed, because everything will be removed. [Speaker 4] (4:22 - 4:23) As a result [Speaker 4] (4:23 - 4:25) Let's keep the equipment, [Speaker 4] (4:25 - 4:43) run the auction at the point where we now don't want the restaurant anymore and we'll approximately get the same value at our auction that Anthony's will get at their auction. But we'll have a functioning restaurant that we can potentially rent to someone for whatever it is, one, two or three years. Thank you. [Speaker 1] (4:53 - 4:58) None. Also, we invited folks to leave comment via email to me and I have not received any, [Speaker 1] (4:58 - 4:58) so. [Speaker 1] (4:59 - 5:02) All right, so we will move right into the meat of the discussion. [Speaker 1] (5:03 - 5:09) We have invited capital improvement committee here to join us so that we could really discuss [Speaker 1] (5:11 - 5:13) The five-year capital improvement plan, [Speaker 1] (5:13 - 5:23) Nick has really, and Jason have both taken on a lot of work to make sure that they've presented something to us that is, you know, realistic in its five-year plan. [Speaker 1] (5:24 - 5:38) And then I think what the idea will be is they'll present certain projects and if we have questions, we can stop and ask those questions as those projects are being presented and then at the end if there are projects that are missing that you have questions about why they weren't presented, we can. [Speaker 1] (5:38 - 5:39) can handle that at the end. [Speaker 1] (5:40 - 5:41) That make sense? [Speaker 1] (5:43 - 5:44) Alright, I'll let you serve. [Speaker 3] (5:45 - 5:47) Thank thank could you pull up the slides I had [Speaker 3] (5:49 - 6:04) So just to build off what Katie said, uh the idea here tonight was that we were going to be speaking to the net new projects that have been uh discussed this year as we've spoken to department heads, the idea of the five-year plan and what it might look like coming to town meeting. Yep, That's it. [Speaker 5] (6:04 - 6:04) you want to [Speaker 3] (6:04 - 6:14) Yes it is, thank you. Is the work that the C_I_C_ will be engaging in shortly and we'll be providing more information with them shortly as well. So could you go could you go [Speaker 3] (6:15 - 6:17) Could you go to the next slide when you get a chance? [Speaker 6] (6:17 - 6:19) Yeah, I have to share it. I can't see. [Speaker 3] (6:39 - 6:56) So I'll provide a little more background while we figure this out. Technically, I want to thank everyone for being here. I think this is a great exercise for us to do in advance of the official CIC kickoff. It gives us an opportunity to have a real discussion with the community and find out from you all as stakeholders the things that we should be focusing on going forward. [Speaker 3] (6:57 - 6:58) And selfishly for me, [Speaker 3] (6:58 - 7:05) it's hugely helpful because I'm getting to get a deeper understanding of the needs and the goals here in the community as well. [Speaker 7] (7:06 - 7:07) Are we sharing yet? [Speaker 7] (7:08 - 7:08) Perfect. [Speaker 7] (7:11 - 7:24) The presentations tonight are a preview, as I said, of the new requests um th that have come in through the discovery process led by Patrick. Uh we anticipate that the recommendation will be prepared shortly and we'll coordinate with CIC on the next steps there. [Speaker 7] (7:24 - 7:34) I'm gonna be as brief as possible so we can get into the meat, which is really Max, Gino, um Jason uh to talk about some of the can we go back a little bit please. [Speaker 7] (7:36 - 7:39) So to the first slide. [Speaker 7] (7:46 - 8:12) Okay so I c I can just speak to this instead. Um the goal here is to guide all of our work um by looking at long-term planning, the ongoing and preventative maintenance, uh actually using the inventory management as a tool to make sure that we're investing in the right places uh in financially aligning what we can do, what we would like to do and the things that we need to do. Uh each piece works together so that we can make the most informed contextual decisions. [Speaker 7] (8:12 - 8:23) situations possible. I'm not even sure what slide we're on. So the CIC, uh this process provides a a structured and objective uh review of all the needs that we bring together. Do you need something Ryan? [Speaker 3] (8:24 - 8:28) Rich Raymond saying the audio is not coming through Teams, it's only coming through Facebook. [Speaker 7] (8:33 - 8:34) I'll hold for a minute. [Speaker 7] (8:44 - 8:44) Thank you, Ryan. [Speaker 6] (9:42 - 9:43) Yes. [Speaker 7] (9:43 - 9:44) You can just go to the next slide for when [Speaker 6] (9:44 - 9:44) Okay. [Speaker 7] (9:44 - 9:45) it when we're ready. Thanks. [Speaker 6] (9:45 - 9:46) Right there? [Speaker 7] (9:46 - 9:46) Yep. [Speaker 6] (9:46 - 9:47) Okay. [Speaker 1] (10:06 - 10:07) It's a [Speaker 2] (10:07 - 10:07) maybe more realistic. [Speaker 3] (10:07 - 10:08) are you given are you given [Speaker 2] (10:08 - 10:09) We get coins. going on. [Speaker 3] (10:09 - 10:10) tonight or no? [Speaker 1] (10:10 - 10:11) This is a very dangerous game. [Speaker 3] (10:12 - 10:14) Yeah, I think the jazz could jazz [Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:16) The jazz could turn, it's a very dangerous game. [Speaker 3] (10:16 - 10:16) I agree. [Speaker 1] (10:16 - 10:19) It's just so much better to play with an attitude. [Speaker 2] (10:21 - 10:25) Oh, I'm more nervous with the shorter. They've gotten shorter since I've been here. [Speaker 2] (10:26 - 10:26) Just about everything's got shorter. [Speaker 3] (10:26 - 10:30) Yeah, but they I I I I can't. You set them for a while, it may be just [Speaker 4] (10:34 - 10:48) So I'll just take the uh heat off of the um of Joe and his team because I asked it to be at the senior centre, so we could all sit this way instead of face each other awkwardly in those chairs. So this is my fault. I will take full responsibility. [Speaker 2] (10:48 - 10:49) You're on the floor. [Speaker 3] (10:50 - 10:52) You can come back and talk about it in person. [Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:54) Just Google the word. [Speaker 3] (10:55 - 10:57) Come and discover it like come and look [Speaker 2] (10:57 - 10:58) Tell me what you need. [Speaker 3] (10:58 - 11:00) Throw some uh gummy worms at us. [Speaker 4] (11:03 - 11:05) I wish there were a lot of candy that we could put in this. [Speaker 1] (11:08 - 11:08) Is there candy with it? [Speaker 2] (11:08 - 11:09) Oh yeah. [Speaker 1] (11:09 - 11:12) I didn't get like chocolate cereal and I'm just kidding. [Speaker 4] (11:17 - 11:18) Send it my way. [Speaker 1] (11:18 - 11:18) You could wear it home. [Speaker 3] (11:19 - 11:20) You try home with thirty pounds of candy? [Speaker 1] (11:20 - 11:21) Good. [Speaker 3] (11:21 - 11:21) Yep. [Speaker 3] (11:22 - 11:23) I've looked, that's it's disgusting. [Speaker 1] (11:23 - 11:24) It's gonna be in sales. [Speaker 4] (11:27 - 11:28) That's really good. [Speaker 1] (11:28 - 11:30) Do you measure how much he brings home every year? [Speaker 3] (11:30 - 11:30) He weighed it. [Speaker 1] (11:32 - 11:32) Did you see the way it last year? [Speaker 3] (11:34 - 11:38) Uh I suppose that my mom would understand it wasn't as easy as it was previously. [Speaker 1] (11:39 - 11:41) Was she like driving it from neighbourhood to neighbourhood? [Speaker 3] (11:41 - 11:45) She was like I'm not telling him I'm not telling anybody I'm not telling anybody who can and can't do it, that's your job. [Speaker 1] (11:46 - 11:46) Oh yeah. [Speaker 1] (11:48 - 11:48) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (11:49 - 11:50) I was like okay, I think it's [Speaker 3] (11:50 - 11:50) Okay. [Speaker 1] (11:50 - 11:50) alright. [Speaker 3] (11:51 - 11:52) Try to socialise. [Speaker 1] (11:52 - 11:53) You can not sell it. [Speaker 3] (11:53 - 11:56) Takes advantage of some of the services. Yeah, no, he got on the scale. [Speaker 3] (11:57 - 11:57) He's like [Speaker 3] (11:59 - 12:01) You need five pounds in the machine with this bag. [Speaker 1] (12:01 - 12:01) Oh. [Speaker 3] (12:01 - 12:03) It has now a hundred and fifteen pounds. [Speaker 1] (12:03 - 12:03) Yes. [Speaker 3] (12:03 - 12:04) I think going insane. [Speaker 1] (12:05 - 12:05) I thank you. [Speaker 1] (12:05 - 12:05) I think we're young. [Speaker 1] (12:05 - 12:08) I don't have to wonder how much you covered. Oh. [Speaker 1] (12:08 - 12:10) Oh, I didn't see anybody on it. [Speaker 3] (12:10 - 12:11) I was being calm. It has [Speaker 1] (12:11 - 12:11) I [Speaker 3] (12:11 - 12:11) so [Speaker 1] (12:11 - 12:12) was gonna say, [Speaker 3] (12:12 - 12:12) much space. [Speaker 1] (12:12 - 12:14) I was just gonna say, he has excepting the address. [Speaker 3] (12:15 - 12:17) So they have two pounds, two ounces left. It's eleven. [Speaker 3] (12:18 - 12:19) This is prime time for weight watchers. [Speaker 1] (12:19 - 12:19) Thank you. [Speaker 3] (12:20 - 12:21) Don't touch it. We don't eat. [Speaker 1] (12:21 - 12:21) Perfect. [Speaker 3] (12:21 - 12:22) Give me a light. [Speaker 1] (12:24 - 12:26) You have sixteen seventeen old kids coming [Speaker 2] (12:26 - 12:26) Six. [Speaker 1] (12:26 - 12:26) to your house. [Speaker 2] (12:26 - 12:27) seven for a hundred. [Speaker 3] (12:27 - 12:27) He [Speaker 2] (12:27 - 12:27) Four hundred. [Speaker 3] (12:27 - 12:28) works at a he works [Speaker 2] (12:28 - 12:28) Or in rather, [Speaker 3] (12:28 - 12:28) a in a training. [Speaker 2] (12:28 - 12:28) we can uh trade it. [Speaker 1] (12:28 - 12:29) okay. [Speaker 2] (12:29 - 12:30) A citrus don't be soon citrus. [Speaker 2] (12:30 - 12:30) Christ. [Speaker 4] (12:30 - 12:31) Like me too, I can't. [Speaker 1] (12:31 - 12:33) Like some of them were like like some of them were working [Speaker 1] (12:34 - 12:34) Victory. [Speaker 2] (12:35 - 12:36) That's not a gap or just [Speaker 4] (12:36 - 12:36) I seen this. [Speaker 2] (12:36 - 12:39) that will be done there for the meetings between the front and the back. Right. [Speaker 3] (12:40 - 12:42) will events stay for the game and they won't get it? [Speaker 1] (12:43 - 12:44) Maybe not. [Speaker 5] (12:44 - 12:44) I don't know. [Speaker 2] (12:44 - 12:45) Let's see if we can catch it. There we go. [Speaker 5] (12:45 - 12:45) Somewhere. [Speaker 3] (12:45 - 12:47) No, it's five at home they get one, you know? [Speaker 2] (12:47 - 12:47) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (12:47 - 12:48) So it's somewhere. [Speaker 3] (12:48 - 12:54) Let's just look each other in the still like that's a long day. I'm ended with like drinking and I kind of sweet [Speaker 2] (12:54 - 12:54) Library [Speaker 3] (12:54 - 12:54) food [Speaker 2] (12:54 - 12:54) experience. [Speaker 3] (12:54 - 12:55) and something. [Speaker 1] (12:55 - 12:55) See. [Speaker 3] (12:55 - 12:55) Or like two in the morning. [Speaker 5] (12:55 - 12:59) I don't know, it's just a library and it was a million minutes to remember to be. [Speaker 5] (12:59 - 12:59) I don't remember. [Speaker 3] (13:00 - 13:01) Just the people that are on to it, you know? [Speaker 2] (13:01 - 13:02) Just the VIP. [Speaker 3] (13:02 - 13:02) Yep. [Speaker 2] (13:03 - 13:04) You know, so there was a accessibility [Speaker 1] (13:04 - 13:05) Yeah. Around [Speaker 2] (13:05 - 13:05) of project [Speaker 1] (13:05 - 13:06) the rest of [Speaker 2] (13:06 - 13:06) we needed to do to [Speaker 3] (13:06 - 13:06) Right. [Speaker 2] (13:06 - 13:08) make it ADA compliant, right? [Speaker 1] (13:08 - 13:08) Yep. [Speaker 1] (13:10 - 13:10) I don't be able to work? [Speaker 3] (13:10 - 13:12) The only things that was like I can pick this one up. [Speaker 3] (13:13 - 13:13) Yes, that's the question. [Speaker 2] (13:13 - 13:14) there's But some people [Speaker 1] (13:14 - 13:14) they couldn't [Speaker 2] (13:14 - 13:14) there. [Speaker 5] (13:14 - 13:14) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (13:14 - 13:14) But yeah. [Speaker 3] (13:14 - 13:16) Okay, so Doug so Doug is on so we just [Speaker 2] (13:16 - 13:17) So [Speaker 3] (13:17 - 13:17) have Doug [Speaker 2] (13:17 - 13:18) they can do that if they want. [Speaker 3] (13:18 - 13:18) releasing it on [Speaker 1] (13:18 - 13:18) Right. [Speaker 3] (13:18 - 13:19) on Facebook. [Speaker 1] (13:19 - 13:19) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (13:19 - 13:19) Or [Speaker 1] (13:19 - 13:20) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (13:20 - 13:21) is it just Facebook? [Speaker 1] (13:21 - 13:21) Facebook. [Speaker 3] (13:21 - 13:22) Calling to somewhere [Speaker 1] (13:22 - 13:23) This is the alternate. [Speaker 3] (13:23 - 13:23) somewhere. [Speaker 1] (13:23 - 13:24) I think that this is his. [Speaker 5] (13:24 - 13:25) Oh, I didn't. [Speaker 4] (13:25 - 13:28) They have a sign they have a sign like a device where you hook it up to your eye and it's [Speaker 5] (13:28 - 13:28) But [Speaker 4] (13:28 - 13:28) read [Speaker 5] (13:28 - 13:28) I don't know. [Speaker 4] (13:28 - 13:29) it on the No, page. [Speaker 3] (13:29 - 13:33) but Patrick was on there to answer questions if it came up as he too. And I guess we're doing that. [Speaker 5] (13:33 - 13:34) No, I didn't remember any [Speaker 2] (13:34 - 13:34) because [Speaker 5] (13:34 - 13:34) pictures. [Speaker 2] (13:34 - 13:35) we're not supposed to tell. [Speaker 5] (13:35 - 13:36) Allie was late. [Speaker 2] (13:36 - 13:36) She is a beauty. [Speaker 5] (13:36 - 13:37) So if you had no idea. [Speaker 5] (13:38 - 13:38) And the But solar [Speaker 4] (13:38 - 13:39) at least you [Speaker 5] (13:39 - 13:39) and [Speaker 4] (13:39 - 13:39) can look they [Speaker 5] (13:39 - 13:39) at [Speaker 4] (13:39 - 13:39) the would [Speaker 5] (13:39 - 13:39) solar. [Speaker 4] (13:39 - 13:41) be able to speak a little bit. [Speaker 5] (13:41 - 13:42) I don't know how shy you are, but [Speaker 3] (13:42 - 13:42) They would immediately. [Speaker 5] (13:42 - 13:44) not afraid of me. Oh, okay. [Speaker 3] (13:44 - 13:45) There is actually a mastermind. [Speaker 3] (13:45 - 13:46) So you might need to have a short interview with her. [Speaker 5] (13:47 - 13:47) Okay. [Speaker 3] (13:47 - 13:47) Are they specific? [Speaker 5] (13:47 - 13:48) So it's not like if there's a [Speaker 2] (13:48 - 13:48) I if got you. [Speaker 3] (13:48 - 13:51) there's a specific question out of school, we will [Speaker 5] (13:51 - 13:51) Oh here [Speaker 3] (13:51 - 13:51) grant [Speaker 5] (13:51 - 13:51) it is. [Speaker 3] (13:51 - 13:51) something [Speaker 5] (13:51 - 13:51) Okay. [Speaker 3] (13:51 - 13:53) and we'll get it answered back to you. [Speaker 4] (13:53 - 13:54) Yep. Here we go. [Speaker 5] (13:54 - 13:55) And all these other ones [Speaker 3] (13:55 - 13:56) So I that's appropriate. I don't know about everyone else. [Speaker 4] (13:56 - 13:59) Yep. Yeah, but it looks like that some Pita Pit and Juergen's [Speaker 5] (13:59 - 14:00) do have a cyber cafe, [Speaker 5] (14:00 - 14:01) I thought that was cool. [Speaker 2] (14:03 - 14:04) Just they also [Speaker 5] (14:04 - 14:04) Just [Speaker 2] (14:04 - 14:04) have a meeting? [Speaker 5] (14:04 - 14:05) quit for a minute. [Speaker 2] (14:05 - 14:06) Or see if we can change that instead. [Speaker 5] (14:06 - 14:06) A middle school. [Speaker 2] (14:06 - 14:07) I just stopped it. [Speaker 5] (14:07 - 14:08) I just removed it. Why would we do that now? [Speaker 2] (14:08 - 14:10) As long as they don't vote on anything that doesn't Is matter. [Speaker 4] (14:10 - 14:11) Yeah whatever. [Speaker 5] (14:11 - 14:12) Yeah, of course we wanna save dollars. [Speaker 4] (14:12 - 14:12) Alright. [Speaker 2] (14:13 - 14:14) That's what we were saying last year. You could just take [Speaker 5] (14:14 - 14:14) Oh. [Speaker 2] (14:14 - 14:16) them off and just leave the crowd. [Speaker 5] (14:16 - 14:18) We're like different numbers here. It's 'cause it's HW15 [Speaker 4] (14:18 - 14:19) Okay. [Speaker 5] (14:19 - 14:20) and this one says five numbers. [Speaker 4] (14:20 - 14:28) Thank you very much, Joan. Um Ryan, so for those folks who are on teams, they cannot get the um [Speaker 2] (14:30 - 14:30) the audio. [Speaker 4] (14:30 - 14:42) Because in so the request is that if you are currently on teams, which you can't hear me so you can't hear this request pretty ironically um is to oh well they can't hear me anyways. Um [Speaker 4] (14:42 - 14:52) is to go on to f uh YouTube or Facebook, and then if there are questions to reach out um and we will try to work it out through [Speaker 2] (14:52 - 14:52) Okay. [Speaker 4] (14:52 - 14:53) each individual [Speaker 2] (14:53 - 14:53) I'll [Speaker 4] (14:53 - 14:53) committee. [Speaker 2] (14:53 - 14:54) be sending them a message, thank you. [Speaker 4] (14:54 - 15:00) And they're gonna keep working on it, so if something should change and we they can hop back on Teams, we will let them know during the meeting um [Speaker 2] (15:00 - 15:03) Can you post a message during this meeting to tell people to do that? [Speaker 4] (15:03 - 15:07) Yes, Diane, would you post a message in the comment section to let people know that [Speaker 4] (15:07 - 15:09) Technology is preventing [Speaker 5] (15:10 - 15:12) I can try. It was just [Speaker 4] (15:12 - 15:13) Just say we're having technological [Speaker 5] (15:13 - 15:13) So what do you want [Speaker 4] (15:13 - 15:13) difficulties. [Speaker 5] (15:13 - 15:14) me to do? [Speaker 4] (15:14 - 15:15) To Facebook or to [Speaker 1] (15:15 - 15:16) To Facebook. [Speaker 4] (15:16 - 15:16) YouTube. [Speaker 1] (15:17 - 15:18) Or YouTube. [Speaker 4] (15:18 - 15:20) And then they could hear us, [Speaker 4] (15:20 - 15:25) although it will deter the participation. And we will work on a better [Speaker 4] (15:26 - 15:28) Set up for next time. [Speaker 1] (15:29 - 15:30) I said we'll just go for Facebook. [Speaker 4] (15:30 - 15:30) Okay. [Speaker 1] (15:30 - 15:31) I mean all these setups get. [Speaker 2] (15:31 - 15:32) 'Kay. [Speaker 3] (15:37 - 15:37) So [Speaker 3] (15:39 - 16:05) can I get started again? Okay. So I think we're back on the second slide. Really all these sides just lay out for those that are watching, I think many in the room probably know a lot of this already, but this lays out the process that we undertake with the policies that have been set in place and the practices that have been in place for years. Uh these highlight, you know, the different ways the projects are prioritized. I'm not gonna read individual slides to you, this one especially, 'cause it's been up for a while. Can we go to the next one, Diane? [Speaker 3] (16:07 - 16:36) I wanna underscore this one, because it's something that highlights the hard work that's been done over time here, that puts us in a better position than many communities. Um there's a lot of communities out there that only use free cash, they don't do long-term planning, uh there is not the idea that uh we need to prioritise these projects around safety or needs or anything else that is literally we have this much money this year, what can we jam in or how do we go do package things up into a debt exclusion. Right here we're laying out all of the work that has gone into this over time. [Speaker 3] (16:36 - 16:47) time that puts us in a much better position. Um as folks know uh there's a guideline that we have to stay between I think it's five percent five and seven percent of the budget uh on debt up to ten is the ceiling. [Speaker 3] (16:47 - 17:00) When you include current debt exclusions we're getting closer to that ceiling, but that's one of those things that uh is a discussion among elected and appointed officials, like that exclusion can be thought of differently than some of the debt that we're carrying on normal capital, [Speaker 3] (17:00 - 17:04) but this is just something that we could be talking about in the future. It's something I wanna highlight. [Speaker 2] (17:03 - 17:15) We are in a much better position in that regard than other communities because of hard work that's been done over time and a commitment by everyone at this table and those before you to make sure that this is the way that we do it. [Speaker 2] (17:15 - 17:18) Things that can be funded through enterprise are funded through enterprise. [Speaker 2] (17:18 - 17:26) We plan for major projects if they need a debt exclusion and they're socialized over time to try to build support for it. So again, [Speaker 2] (17:26 - 17:29) I'm not going to read in each part of this, but it's really important to recognize the work. [Speaker 3] (17:29 - 17:50) the work that has gone on here that puts us in a better position. And that's something I even talked about when I was being interviewed, that both uh on the budget overall and the debt that is spent and the capital money that is spent uh it there's been real planning and real consistency here that has put us in a position to make decisions instead of simply react. Uh can we go to the next slide? [Speaker 3] (17:53 - 17:59) So this is just a a little bit of a process reminder for everyone and where we'll be going from here. Uh [Speaker 2] (17:59 - 18:25) Patrick and I and a and a department heads have been working to gather all the requests and to put together the recommendation that will go to the C_I_C_ shortly. The C_I_C_ then does their work uh around a detailed five-year plan. It includes public process, it includes discussion with um department heads and others. And then there's the formal adoption th through both the select board and town meeting. So again this is more for folks that aren't in this room. Everyone here sort of understands this is how it [Speaker 3] (18:25 - 18:50) how it goes, but it is really important to recognise the work that has gone in over time, and it's the reason that we put this effort in to allow us to make decisions again instead of just reacting every year. Uh and so with that, I believe that's all the slides I have. Uh we're gonna turn it over to uh a number of department heads to go through uh one by one. I I wanna underscore what Katie said, which is, you know, we're going through the larger projects that are new. [Speaker 3] (18:51 - 19:06) Please feel free to stop us if there's questions as we go. And also keep in mind that we want to hear about things that we may not have had on the list that have been talked about in the community are important to you, you've heard about from others that we want to make sure that we at least begin to socialize and to research. [Speaker 3] (19:07 - 19:16) But this is just where we are as right now as of right now it's a snapshot in time and it's a it's meant to spur discussion here tonight. So, do you know which deck is first, [Speaker 3] (19:17 - 19:17) Diane? [Speaker 5] (19:18 - 19:19) I don't. [Speaker 5] (19:21 - 19:22) And I have them all up. So [Speaker 5] (19:23 - 19:30) who wants to go first? We have the financial comments, the school, mass and clock. [Speaker 2] (19:31 - 19:32) If we wanna start with Max. [Speaker 2] (19:34 - 19:34) Okay. [Speaker 2] (19:49 - 19:50) Yes it is. [Speaker 1] (19:57 - 19:59) And Diane, you can go right to the second slide. [Speaker 1] (20:04 - 20:30) Okay thanks everyone. I uh just have a few slides. I'm gonna run through the uh proposed F_Y_ twenty seven facilities capital requests and then uh talk about a couple of the bigger projects on both the town and the school side school side in the next slides. Uh so I'm just gonna run through these projects. If anyone has a question on a particular project, I'm happy to stop and talk about it now or at the end, whatever whatever you prefer. Uh the library, H_V_A_C_ [Speaker 1] (20:30 - 20:31) controls project. [Speaker 1] (20:31 - 20:38) This was initially exclusively a controls project to upgrade the HVAC controls at the library. [Speaker 1] (20:38 - 20:56) That's still what it is, but we are actually looking into dovetailing it with a HVAC project that could be funded through a grant and we're doing some preliminary work on that. Regardless of whether the larger HVAC project advances, [Speaker 1] (20:57 - 20:58) the controls are [Speaker 1] (20:59 - 21:08) in serious need of of replacement, relying on a p a control system that's not consistent with a building of the scale of the library right now. [Speaker 1] (21:08 - 21:11) Library flooring, uh there's some sections of [Speaker 2] (21:11 - 21:12) We save this now. Give me a second. [Speaker 1] (21:13 - 21:14) Okay. [Speaker 2] (21:29 - 21:31) Okay. Ryan sing us. Patrick sing us. So. [Speaker 2] (21:36 - 21:36) Back one. [Speaker 1] (21:37 - 21:37) Back one. [Speaker 1] (21:49 - 21:49) Other way. [Speaker 2] (22:05 - 22:05) Right there. [Speaker 1] (22:05 - 22:06) Right there. [Speaker 2] (22:06 - 22:06) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (22:06 - 22:07) Okay. [Speaker 2] (22:07 - 22:07) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (22:07 - 22:13) Just on the second one, this is library flooring. There's some sections of the flooring in the library that are in very poor condition, [Speaker 1] (22:13 - 22:19) namely the children's room and the room to the left as you walk in the front door, [Speaker 1] (22:19 - 22:21) or used to be able to walk in the front door as of yesterday. [Speaker 1] (22:23 - 22:31) And that's just a flooring project. There's sections that we're not doing at this time because there's visions of a larger project that tie into the rear entrance, [Speaker 1] (22:31 - 22:34) so it's sections of the flooring in the library. [Speaker 1] (22:35 - 22:37) fish house exterior improvements. [Speaker 1] (22:38 - 22:41) The fish house, you know, is obviously a very notable building in town. [Speaker 1] (22:41 - 22:43) We've done a lot of work over the years, but it's in a very [Speaker 1] (22:44 - 23:02) Difficult location. It takes a real beating with the weather and so this is a project to do a few different exterior projects. The masonry chimneys need to be rebuilt. There's windows that need to be refurbished. There's constantly siding and trim projects that we're doing there. [Speaker 1] (23:02 - 23:06) That's sort of a conglomeration of different exterior projects at the fish house. [Speaker 1] (23:07 - 23:08) 89 Borough Street, [Speaker 1] (23:09 - 23:10) this is the former REACH Arts. [Speaker 1] (23:10 - 23:18) charts building. Um I've put it on here as a discussion point. Um there's not a dollar value associated with it right now. We're still [Speaker 1] (23:18 - 23:40) collecting information at a staff level of uh what might be happening in the timeline and what that project might be looking like we had a meeting with the veterans recently to talk about it and it's um you know it's advancing uh we're just not clear on the scope we're not clear on whether it will uh be presented at this time but I didn't want to leave it off because it is a significant project potentially. [Speaker 1] (23:41 - 23:48) SHS flooring replacement. I hope most of you have seen the new flooring in the entrance at the high school. [Speaker 1] (23:48 - 23:55) The logo is LVT is the material. It's the same material that we have almost throughout the elementary school. [Speaker 1] (23:56 - 23:57) I think it came out awesome. [Speaker 1] (23:58 - 24:07) And this is a project to do basically the rest of the common spaces that are currently sheet vinyl that is failing. [Speaker 1] (24:08 - 24:11) And to do that in L_V_T_ as well. [Speaker 1] (24:12 - 24:26) S_H_S_ cyber cafe and guidance build out, this is two projects that are kind of pulled into one. Uh there's a c a guidance space that they've asked over the years to build out a wall and create an additional space um [Speaker 1] (24:26 - 24:47) To use you know when you build a wall in a building of that scale it involves many systems and is more expensive than you know say building a wall in your single family home and then the cyber cafe they're looking to activate that into the school store or be a renovation of that space that's the space as you walk into the lobby of the high school. [Speaker 1] (24:48 - 24:56) Not, if you were to go into the CAF, it's actually on your right. It was originally a cyber cafe when they built the high school, but that's not really a thing anymore, [Speaker 1] (24:56 - 24:59) so they have visions of that being a fully built out school store. [Speaker 1] (25:01 - 25:03) SMS window replacement. [Speaker 1] (25:03 - 25:09) This is a big project that we appropriated the design funds for last year. [Speaker 1] (25:09 - 25:12) We've completed an RFQ process and are in the... [Speaker 1] (25:13 - 25:20) In the process of hiring a design firm to do this, we've actually selected the firm and are finalizing the contract. [Speaker 1] (25:20 - 25:26) This is to replace likely all of the windows at the Swampscott Middle School. [Speaker 1] (25:26 - 25:28) It's a very significant project. [Speaker 1] (25:30 - 25:32) SHS, SMS, [Speaker 1] (25:32 - 25:34) MEP improvements. Again, [Speaker 1] (25:34 - 25:40) this is pulling in a number of smaller capital projects at the high school in the middle school mechanical, [Speaker 1] (25:40 - 25:41) electrical, [Speaker 1] (25:41 - 25:42) and plumbing, [Speaker 1] (25:42 - 25:43) predominantly mechanical, [Speaker 1] (25:43 - 25:46) but there's there's some electrical and plumbing projects as well. [Speaker 1] (25:46 - 25:56) We've had some real success over the last five years or so with this approach of, you know, pulling smaller projects together at a handful of buildings. [Speaker 1] (25:57 - 25:58) And that's that's what this is. [Speaker 1] (25:59 - 26:16) District security improvements, uh this is across the um school district, mainly the high school and the middle school 'cause the elementary school is is brand new, but there is actually one small project at the elementary school that's part of this. Um again, this is a [Speaker 1] (26:16 - 26:20) a conglomeration of smaller projects, but some big projects are baked in here. [Speaker 1] (26:21 - 26:25) The biggest one is the BDA at the high school, [Speaker 1] (26:25 - 26:33) so that's a system that allows firefighters and police to use their radios in these large concrete and steel buildings. [Speaker 1] (26:34 - 26:36) They're required when you build a new building today, [Speaker 1] (26:36 - 26:40) but the high school was just before that code went into effect. [Speaker 1] (26:40 - 26:41) So that's one piece, [Speaker 1] (26:41 - 26:42) and then there's a whole list of... [Speaker 1] (26:42 - 26:59) um projects. Some of the some of the big ones and important ones, the middle school and the elementary school have duress button systems currently. So if there's a situation at those buildings, they can press these buttons and there's an immediate response um by the police and fire eventually. Um [Speaker 1] (27:00 - 27:05) The high school does not have that system that the middle school and the elementary school currently have. [Speaker 1] (27:06 - 27:08) Their security, [Speaker 1] (27:08 - 27:12) the actual intrusion system at the high school is in need of a front-end repair. [Speaker 1] (27:13 - 27:13) Again, [Speaker 1] (27:13 - 27:20) I can go into more detail if there's a desire, but there's a list of projects that are falling into that category. [Speaker 1] (27:22 - 27:24) SHS HVAC study. [Speaker 1] (27:26 - 27:31) This is to start looking at the HVAC at the high school. [Speaker 1] (27:31 - 27:38) The high school is coming up on 20 years old and just a couple years here, which is surprising to many. [Speaker 1] (27:39 - 27:48) It's in actually quite good shape, the building overall, but we are starting to see some failures in some components of the HVAC system. [Speaker 1] (27:48 - 28:01) Actually this section of the building here in the Senior Centre, we are in the process of replacing the condensing unit on the roof because it uh partially failed last year and we're starting to see issues creep up on some of our other rooftop units. [Speaker 1] (28:02 - 28:05) The HVAC at this building is is very complex. [Speaker 1] (28:06 - 28:30) Um and there's a lot of different ways you can approach it uh so we want to start looking at it and being very proactive um with what we're going to do over time and there's a larger project I'm going to speak about in a little bit but this is sort of the first step in starting to shape what the larger projects down the road should look like instead of just letting them kind of hit us in the face and you know have these large [Speaker 1] (28:31 - 28:35) large projects that just come up and that's what would happen here at the high school. [Speaker 1] (28:37 - 28:40) SHS parking lot and solar canopy design. [Speaker 1] (28:40 - 28:50) This project actually started as exclusively the paving project for the high school parking lot because the asphalt is starting to be in disrepair. You might notice there's some potholes at times. [Speaker 1] (28:52 - 28:55) We then layered in the senior center front entry. [Speaker 1] (28:56 - 28:59) There's some desire to improve the accessibility here at the front entrance. [Speaker 1] (28:59 - 29:01) So that would be part of it. [Speaker 1] (29:01 - 29:06) And then also we're looking at solar canopy design here at the high school. [Speaker 1] (29:07 - 29:09) If we're going to do a paving project, [Speaker 1] (29:09 - 29:16) that's the perfect time to be also doing at least the infrastructure or potentially the full build out of a solar canopy. [Speaker 1] (29:16 - 29:18) We've done a preliminary study. [Speaker 1] (29:18 - 29:24) with Consigli, who's doing our projects at the elementary school right now about the viability. [Speaker 1] (29:24 - 29:28) And it appears at this time to be a very viable project. [Speaker 1] (29:28 - 29:29) So again, [Speaker 1] (29:29 - 29:34) this is a design project to look at this project holistically. [Speaker 1] (29:35 - 29:49) SHS envelope improvements we've done pretty well over the last few years of keeping the envelope here at SHS tight but again it's coming up on on 20 years and we're gonna you know we're gonna be looking at some larger projects [Speaker 1] (29:54 - 29:57) There's a system that looks a lot like stucco. [Speaker 1] (29:58 - 30:00) It's not quite stucco, but we're having, [Speaker 1] (30:00 - 30:15) so a big chunk of this is to do a significant project on this like wall area that's, you don't see it often when you're kind of looking at the high school, but like up on the roofs and some of the like higher sections of the building where they meet the roof, [Speaker 1] (30:15 - 30:18) we have some significant repairs there. [Speaker 1] (30:18 - 30:20) We've had to do some roof drain. [Speaker 1] (30:20 - 30:32) projects already over the last few years there's some additional roof drain work that we need to do and some some roofing roofing areas that we're looking at there [Speaker 1] (30:33 - 30:37) Finally, a project I have spoke about before, [Speaker 1] (30:37 - 30:40) and we're actually not sure if it's going to be able to advance, [Speaker 1] (30:40 - 30:45) but we're kind of keeping it on the list as we work through the process is the SES solar canopy project. [Speaker 1] (30:45 - 30:49) It's a project that's been fully designed, but has been held up by National Grid. [Speaker 1] (30:50 - 30:56) It's a great project. We'd like to do it, but there's National Grid infrastructure issues that are a major hurdle to the project. [Speaker 1] (30:57 - 30:58) It's not completely dead. [Speaker 1] (31:00 - 31:06) But it's very much has a cloud over it and we don't know the exact status as we head into town meeting, [Speaker 1] (31:06 - 31:12) but we have months here and we'll have more clarity by the time we get there. So we're keeping it on there for discussion purposes right now. [Speaker 1] (31:13 - 31:13) If [Speaker 2] (31:13 - 31:14) There's a cloud over [Speaker 1] (31:14 - 31:14) we use, [Speaker 2] (31:14 - 31:15) the solar project, Max. [Speaker 2] (31:15 - 31:15) Nice one. [Speaker 1] (31:15 - 31:16) what's that? [Speaker 2] (31:16 - 31:18) There's a cloud over the solar project. There's a serious [Speaker 1] (31:18 - 31:18) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (31:18 - 31:19) budget issue. [Speaker 1] (31:20 - 31:20) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (31:21 - 31:25) You know, just to speak to it a little bit, why it is such a great project, [Speaker 1] (31:25 - 31:28) not just to have solar and offset the cost there, [Speaker 1] (31:28 - 31:37) but we would still likely be able to leverage the IRA because we have started it already and we have full design and the timing we'd be able to implement it. [Speaker 1] (31:37 - 31:39) So we have about a 30% payback there. [Speaker 1] (31:40 - 31:45) And it's a great project for the Climate Leaders Accelerator Grant, [Speaker 1] (31:45 - 31:46) which Swamp's got is eligible for. [Speaker 1] (31:47 - 31:49) That's a million dollar grant. [Speaker 1] (31:49 - 31:50) We will do that grant. [Speaker 1] (31:50 - 31:59) We will use that grant somewhere at some point, but this would be an awesome project. We could do, we could almost put this project in place for very, [Speaker 1] (31:59 - 32:02) very little cost to the town and reap benefits for years and years. [Speaker 1] (32:02 - 32:03) But again, [Speaker 1] (32:03 - 32:06) there's this major hurdle we're trying to work through. [Speaker 2] (32:06 - 32:08) Max, can you explain a little bit more what is the hurdle with the infrastructure? [Speaker 2] (32:09 - 32:14) My memory was before we couldn't get on their schedule. They had other things to do. But is it different now? The reason why it's not happening? [Speaker 1] (32:15 - 32:18) Yes, it's not that. It's not a scheduling issue. [Speaker 1] (32:18 - 32:21) It's actually National Grid's infrastructure, [Speaker 1] (32:21 - 32:23) the wires that feed the building, [Speaker 1] (32:24 - 32:33) their substations and the age of it and the capacity of it. So they have concerns when you're a solar generator that you are at some point potentially going to push. [Speaker 1] (32:33 - 32:36) push energy back onto the grid. [Speaker 1] (32:36 - 32:50) To even have concerns when you're a large user like we are at the elementary school of when you're not using the capacity they would expect you to use that actually can have implications on their planning for their infrastructure. [Speaker 1] (32:53 - 32:56) It gets pretty technical. I don't really know all of the details, [Speaker 1] (32:56 - 33:02) but we've been in a study already to be able to implement the rooftop project, [Speaker 1] (33:02 - 33:06) and they were looking at the rooftop project and the canopy project simultaneously. [Speaker 1] (33:06 - 33:09) The only way, and so the results, [Speaker 1] (33:09 - 33:12) the initial results we were getting from that were major, [Speaker 1] (33:12 - 33:20) major improvements on National Grid's side, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars potentially. The only way we could sort of fast track. [Speaker 1] (33:20 - 33:30) That's, it's funny to say that now because it took two years to actually do it. The roof project was to have them stop looking temporarily at the canopy project because they couldn't look at the two separately. [Speaker 1] (33:31 - 33:32) So again the rooftop, [Speaker 1] (33:32 - 33:35) the roof is covered in solar panels as we sit here today. [Speaker 1] (33:35 - 33:39) It'll be generating by the end of the winter early early spring. [Speaker 1] (33:39 - 33:46) That's a real success but there's still major challenges to the to the solar canopy. [Speaker 2] (33:46 - 33:49) Just to ask the question, is the is it a cost issue? [Speaker 2] (33:49 - 33:58) tissue for National Grid that have to spend money to make it compatible? And is that a manageable number that could fit in such a cheap project for us and still make it have a good return? [Speaker 1] (33:58 - 34:05) We don't actually have all the information yet. So like where we are right now is we need National Grid to sort of restart the study. We've asked them to do that. [Speaker 1] (34:07 - 34:22) And we're gonna get that information over time, hopefully over the next couple months, but you know, working with National Grid in in their timelines is very very challenging. So um I don't know exactly when we're gonna even know that that answer. [Speaker 2] (34:23 - 34:24) Okay thanks. [Speaker 1] (34:24 - 34:25) No problem. [Speaker 2] (34:25 - 34:25) Um I'd [Speaker 2] (34:25 - 34:27) I'd have a couple of uh things. Go ahead. [Speaker 3] (34:27 - 34:28) No, no questions. I'll go finish your thought. [Speaker 2] (34:28 - 34:48) Go ahead. Well, I was just gonna ask just I think we know the answer this, but I think just might be good to just remind people the middle school window replacement since there's a project a page later that talks about a hundred million dollar renovation. I d I know we're only in p have put aside design funds, but the expectation is that none of that will be throw away replacement work, that they'll stay in the in the new bu in the new revised building. Is that a fair statement? [Speaker 1] (34:49 - 34:50) Yeah, that's the hope. [Speaker 1] (34:50 - 34:54) I mean, we don't know with certainty what the middle school project would be. [Speaker 1] (34:54 - 34:55) So there is some risk and, [Speaker 1] (34:56 - 35:01) you know, the windows are in condition at this point where we can't really wait anymore. [Speaker 1] (35:01 - 35:05) We have to at least be advancing the design and likely the full project. [Speaker 1] (35:06 - 35:06) But, [Speaker 1] (35:06 - 35:10) you know, I'll speak a lot about the middle school in a bit. But yes, [Speaker 1] (35:10 - 35:16) the hope and expectation is that we're not throwing good money after bad with the windows. But. [Speaker 1] (35:16 - 35:21) You know, there's not certainty with that. There's a possibility that you know sections [Speaker 3] (35:21 - 35:21) Yep. [Speaker 1] (35:21 - 35:28) um but we you know we can't in the meantime let water sort of infiltrate into the classrooms. [Speaker 3] (35:28 - 35:29) Yep, okay. Thank you. [Speaker 2] (35:30 - 35:36) Max, do you know I mean I look at HVAC controls and upgrades and studies and also window uh window replacements. [Speaker 2] (35:36 - 35:43) Do you know if we get any sort of energy incentives or programmes, tax credits associated with any of those sort of an other [Speaker 3] (35:43 - 35:44) from upgrades and mods. [Speaker 1] (35:44 - 35:45) Yeah, I do. [Speaker 1] (35:46 - 35:55) The windows we don't. The windows grant opportunity would have been through MSBA. I'll speak in a little bit of why that is not the case. [Speaker 1] (35:55 - 35:57) But the energy projects we always [Speaker 1] (35:58 - 36:23) leverage the utility there's incentives available for weatherization projects and heat pump projects and controls projects that controls project you're specifically referencing is likely going to be paired with an HVAC project at the library that will run through green communities that will have massive incentives through National Grid and be funded almost entirely by [Speaker 1] (36:24 - 36:26) uh the Green Communities program. So [Speaker 3] (36:27 - 36:27) Right. [Speaker 1] (36:27 - 36:29) Yeah, we're we're always looking at that and leveraging that. [Speaker 1] (36:34 - 36:36) Okay, should I move on to the next slide? [Speaker 1] (36:40 - 36:41) Hey, Mitch. [Speaker 3] (36:41 - 36:45) Sorry. Can we turn to the confessional office to see if they can help move that along? [Speaker 1] (36:45 - 36:47) We have in fact, yes. [Speaker 1] (36:48 - 36:48) Oh, thank you. [Speaker 1] (36:51 - 36:51) Hmm. [Speaker 2] (36:52 - 36:52) That was a good one. [Speaker 1] (36:52 - 36:55) We may need to, again, once we're kind of back into the process [Speaker 2] (36:55 - 36:55) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (36:55 - 36:57) for the solar canopy. [Speaker 1] (36:57 - 36:58) Cool. Thank you. Sorry for the delay. [Speaker 2] (36:59 - 36:59) Come on. [Speaker 1] (36:59 - 37:00) No problem. [Speaker 1] (37:04 - 37:13) So my next couple slides are just pulling out some really big projects that are potentially on the plan, on the plan for the next few years. [Speaker 1] (37:14 - 37:17) So first I'm going to talk about a couple of town projects. [Speaker 1] (37:19 - 37:20) The library entries. [Speaker 1] (37:20 - 37:25) So we are in the midst now, as of this week, of a major library entry, [Speaker 1] (37:25 - 37:26) front entry project. [Speaker 1] (37:27 - 37:31) I think it's going to be a great project where it's off to a good start. [Speaker 1] (37:33 - 37:46) We when we did the design we also looked at activating the rear entry to the library and I believe that you know that is the wish of the library director and the trustees to eventually advance that project as well. [Speaker 1] (37:46 - 37:53) The rear entry there's a little depiction of an initial early schematic in the left hand corner of the slide. [Speaker 1] (37:56 - 38:05) That project would include a redesign of the entire sort of corridor of the library and the way they process things there. [Speaker 1] (38:05 - 38:09) So that's why it's such a bigger number. [Speaker 1] (38:09 - 38:11) To put in perspective, [Speaker 1] (38:11 - 38:15) the project we're doing in the front right now is about an $800,000 project, [Speaker 1] (38:15 - 38:16) but it's all exterior. [Speaker 1] (38:18 - 38:28) this project is less exterior work but more interior work and we haven't we're not a construction document level for this just just schematic level Annie [Speaker 4] (38:30 - 38:39) see that um I mean it looks like a much more formal entrance it's a very lovely sketch but I don't see how it's accessible and I'm hoping that that's part of the plan. [Speaker 1] (38:39 - 38:43) Certainly. That that one you're looking at actually is accessible. [Speaker 1] (38:43 - 38:47) It's a little hard to tell, but there is a there is a lift there to the left of the stairway. [Speaker 4] (38:47 - 38:48) Square. [Speaker 1] (38:48 - 38:54) But we have options that include a lift and options that include a ramp that we're looking at both of them. [Speaker 1] (38:54 - 38:55) I don't [Speaker 4] (38:55 - 38:56) I think. would say the lift I mean there are [Speaker 4] (38:56 - 39:09) There are there are many other places that use a lift just for this little one half a floor kind of thing. It's always problematic. People have to figure out how to use it and sometimes it breaks and it rusts. It's on the exterior. [Speaker 4] (39:10 - 39:12) I'd be much more comfortable with a ramp and I don't [Speaker 4] (39:14 - 39:24) I I work in geriatrics, so this doesn't suit as far as I'm concerned. But I hope you'll just take that into consideration since you're beginning that design. [Speaker 1] (39:24 - 39:31) Nope, certainly it it will one hundred percent be accessible and we're looking at all options. We you know this this isn't really advancing [Speaker 4] (39:31 - 39:32) It's not there yet. [Speaker 1] (39:32 - 39:40) right now. These are just sort of where when we did the design for the front we were looking at this at that point. So it's sort of like static as we look at it right now. [Speaker 5] (39:41 - 39:44) Max, when you guys contemplated or do contemplate [Speaker 3] (40:06 - 40:08) Yeah, no, I don't think we have looked at that yet, [Speaker 3] (40:08 - 40:12) but there definitely would be opportunity to. I think that's a great idea. [Speaker 3] (40:13 - 40:20) There is, with the side entry project that could be coming up at, well, is on the warrant for the special town meeting, [Speaker 3] (40:20 - 40:26) there is a redesign of a section of the walkway. It was actually just necessary because of the grading. [Speaker 3] (40:27 - 40:30) It wasn't actually driven by the walkways themselves, [Speaker 3] (40:30 - 40:33) but they are getting touched with that project. [Speaker 3] (40:38 - 40:42) The second one on the town side that I was going to speak about is the fire station. [Speaker 3] (40:43 - 40:46) There's been different discussions over the years about the fire station. [Speaker 3] (40:46 - 40:51) A former chief had a vision of a major addition renovation. [Speaker 3] (40:51 - 40:55) The current chief has a more scaled back vision. [Speaker 3] (40:56 - 41:05) We have design funds right now and are working with an architect to look at the basically the existing footprint, existing structure. [Speaker 3] (41:05 - 41:10) activating the third floor of the fire station, [Speaker 3] (41:10 - 41:11) redesigning the second floor, [Speaker 3] (41:11 - 41:16) that's really the brunt of the project and it's mostly driven by [Speaker 3] (41:17 - 41:44) um equity for the changing population at the fire station there's more women firefighters and the building um historically has been set up for there'll be more much more men male firefighters um and they're they're getting by right now but you know long term we would need to make you know major adjustments to the to the layout there for that to be equitable um so really looking at the whole building again we're very early [Speaker 3] (41:44 - 41:53) in design. That dollar value on there is very much just a ballpark right now. The project isn't fully defined, [Speaker 3] (41:54 - 42:05) but, you know, there are some major needs at the building that we're going to have to address that we'll be doing through this project as well. The HVAC system is in very poor condition. [Speaker 3] (42:07 - 42:10) That's a good, a little overview on that project. [Speaker 3] (42:11 - 42:14) And then the third one for on the town side is the DPW yard, [Speaker 3] (42:14 - 42:15) new construction. [Speaker 3] (42:15 - 42:16) Again, [Speaker 3] (42:16 - 42:23) we have already funded design to start looking at this project. [Speaker 3] (42:23 - 42:32) The DPW yard often overlooked, but one of the facilities in town that's in the poorest condition hasn't, it's quite old, [Speaker 3] (42:32 - 42:38) hasn't got a lot of attention over the years. They really, they do a lot with a little over there. [Speaker 3] (42:40 - 42:41) But it's a tough space. [Speaker 3] (42:41 - 42:45) I think Gino could speak to it like the trucks barely fit into the bays. They're very tight. [Speaker 3] (42:46 - 42:50) We have roofs that are in very, very poor condition. [Speaker 3] (42:51 - 42:55) We actually have someone we're doing some repairs today just to kind of keep it chugging along. [Speaker 3] (42:55 - 43:01) We did a lot of work over the last couple of years to make it more acceptable for the guys working there. [Speaker 3] (43:01 - 43:06) And I think that that went a long way. But really in the long term. [Speaker 3] (43:07 - 43:24) We think the best solution is a is a new construction uh probably at the existing site uh from my recent discussions with the with the D_P_W_ but you know there had been discussions in the past about alternate locations. Um that's j obviously tricky and in swamp's got. [Speaker 3] (43:27 - 43:31) Okay, any questions on the those big town projects? If not I'll move on to the school projects. [Speaker 4] (43:32 - 43:32) What if we just [Speaker 3] (43:32 - 43:32) uh [Speaker 5] (43:34 - 43:38) station. I know it's about the same age as the school. How's that holding up? [Speaker 3] (43:38 - 43:39) The new police station? [Speaker 3] (43:41 - 43:45) That's actually a little bit newer than than the high school you mean? [Speaker 3] (43:45 - 43:49) It's a little bit newer. It's holding up. We've done a few projects over the years. [Speaker 3] (43:50 - 43:58) I think it'll it'll start to kind of be on our radar a little bit more but it is a few years newer than the than the high school and is in fairly good condition still. [Speaker 3] (44:00 - 44:07) We have one smaller project actually um at the police station that didn't sort of make the threshold to kind of be on the presentation. [Speaker 3] (44:07 - 44:11) It's just a small build-out of a couple spaces there um [Speaker 3] (44:12 - 44:14) it is just a a smaller dollar value. [Speaker 6] (44:16 - 44:29) I just wanted to clarify the um library entrance. Um I was looking through the notes of previous years' projects and it looks like in two thousand twenty four we appropriated eight hundred thousand dollars to do entrance work. [Speaker 6] (44:30 - 44:35) The spreadsheet says it's ten percent complete, but that could be wrong. Have we spent all that money yet, or is this? [Speaker 2] (44:36 - 44:36) Is that the front? [Speaker 3] (44:36 - 44:38) I you haven't driven by the library in the last two days? [Speaker 6] (44:38 - 44:39) Uh no, I haven't. [Speaker 3] (44:39 - 44:43) Okay. Uh they they tore up the front of the library this week [Speaker 6] (44:43 - 44:43) Okay. [Speaker 3] (44:43 - 44:47) and we're under contract to do a major renovation of the front of the library. [Speaker 6] (44:48 - 44:54) Okay, so that that line item from twenty twenty four, that's committed, that's we're gonna spend all the money and [Speaker 3] (44:54 - 44:54) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (44:54 - 44:55) it's just to be incremental to that. [Speaker 3] (44:55 - 44:55) Yes. [Speaker 6] (44:55 - 44:57) Okay and then the thing in for the special [Speaker 6] (44:58 - 45:04) Done meeting in a couple weeks, that's also incremental to what's been approved in the past? Okay. [Speaker 3] (45:04 - 45:08) Yeah, fully the the side entry is fully designed. We have full construction documents, [Speaker 3] (45:08 - 45:11) we did that, it made sense to do it at the same time we were doing the front. [Speaker 6] (45:11 - 45:11) Yep. [Speaker 3] (45:11 - 45:19) Um but yeah, it was never sort of planned. I think we're the appropriation was appropriate for the scope on the on the front. [Speaker 6] (45:19 - 45:20) Okay, cool. Thanks Max. [Speaker 3] (45:20 - 45:21) No problem. [Speaker 2] (45:22 - 45:40) I would just suggest if anybody hasn't Toured the DPW facility recently that you do so to understand how dire it not to be dramatic, but I mean it's not great and definitely needs to be focused on. Um and I think it's [Speaker 2] (45:41 - 45:46) It's hard to sort of think, oh, $15 million for, you know, like garages, right, [Speaker 2] (45:46 - 45:47) where your trucks go, [Speaker 2] (45:47 - 45:53) but there's also a great deal of work that happens there. And so just to underscore that. [Speaker 5] (45:53 - 45:57) I think that was definitely in the forefront of many residents over the last couple of months. [Speaker 3] (45:57 - 45:57) Yeah [Speaker 5] (45:57 - 46:01) People got a really good bird's eye view of like how, how. [Speaker 5] (46:01 - 46:04) The top it is over there and what the condition of the facility [Speaker 7] (46:04 - 46:04) Right. [Speaker 5] (46:04 - 46:04) is. [Speaker 7] (46:04 - 46:06) And I just want to echo what you said. [Speaker 7] (46:07 - 46:10) When I was on the select board, which was many years ago, [Speaker 7] (46:10 - 46:19) Gino gave me a tour and it was needing a lot of work at that time. So it's well beyond the time that this work should be done. [Speaker 3] (46:26 - 46:29) Okay, um my last slide thank you. [Speaker 3] (46:30 - 46:55) So I'm just gonna speak to a couple of major school projects that are also on the horizon. Um the biggest um and it has been on the capital plan for a few years but definitely worthy of more and more discussion. Um SMS major renovation. Um I'm of the opinion that um you know we should be sort of collectively looking at submitting a statement of interest this [Speaker 3] (46:55 - 47:02) this coming year. Um the timeline on a statement of interest we we know very well, 'cause we just did a project. [Speaker 3] (47:02 - 47:15) Um it's about seven years from when you put a statement of interest in to when you finish a project. Um and that is a it's a long time, especially with some of the the systems we have in place at the middle school. Um [Speaker 3] (47:18 - 47:19) the [Speaker 3] (47:19 - 47:20) From a facilities perspective, [Speaker 3] (47:20 - 47:32) the reason that I'm a proponent of this project is that we have many major systems in the middle school that are in very poor shape because they are very old. [Speaker 3] (47:32 - 47:46) The middle school first section of the building was built in the 1950s and then there was a huge addition in the 1970s. There's a picture on here of a boiler that was installed [Speaker 3] (47:47 - 47:51) during the 1970s addition that we still run to this day. [Speaker 3] (47:52 - 48:05) So there's a lot of risk there and we need to really start focusing on this building. I think for a really long time all of us were focused on the elementary schools and we had to be and the middle school is sort of sitting in the background. [Speaker 3] (48:06 - 48:10) But it's there and it's needy. We've started to do some projects. [Speaker 3] (48:11 - 48:13) We did a roof project that was very badly needed. [Speaker 3] (48:13 - 48:18) I spoke to the window project that we are advancing and is very badly needed. [Speaker 3] (48:18 - 48:23) We did a fire alarm project that is fully complete now as well. [Speaker 3] (48:23 - 48:31) So we have been, I think, doing a better job with the middle school than we did with some of the elementary schools years and years ago and really letting some of those fail. [Speaker 3] (48:31 - 48:39) But we're at an inflection point now to decide sort of what is going to happen with the middle school. [Speaker 3] (48:42 - 48:42) Again, [Speaker 3] (48:42 - 48:45) I spoke to these systems that are in these really poor conditions. [Speaker 3] (48:45 - 48:48) We can fix all of these systems. It'll be hard. [Speaker 3] (48:49 - 48:49) It'll be expensive. [Speaker 3] (48:50 - 48:51) It is an option. [Speaker 3] (48:51 - 48:55) There is some grants available for some of those systems. [Speaker 3] (48:57 - 48:58) But at the end of the day, [Speaker 3] (48:58 - 49:02) we're going to spend tens of millions of dollars to replace these systems. [Speaker 3] (49:02 - 49:06) And you're going to walk into the middle school and it's going to look a lot like it does today. [Speaker 3] (49:06 - 49:08) An alternative to that... [Speaker 3] (49:08 - 49:17) is get back into the core program. It might not we might submit an SOI this year and and it wouldn't be received because we just got one that's you know very possible maybe likely. [Speaker 3] (49:18 - 49:37) We you know we keep kind of pushing at it and the reason I think that's a good alternative is because we know the state will reimburse you know about 40 to 50 percent maybe you know more reimbursement because there's less site work involved than we had at the elementary school so we could spend roughly the same amount of money and end up with [Speaker 3] (49:37 - 49:39) You know, not a brand new school, but [Speaker 1] (49:54 - 50:00) the electrical room the service throughout the building it's all it's all aged and need of repair just those systems alone [Speaker 1] (50:01 - 50:03) Could be 20 to 30 million, [Speaker 1] (50:03 - 50:16) you know, we, those exact systems at the elementary school were 20 million dollars and it's not getting cheaper and renovations are not easier than new construction. [Speaker 2] (50:17 - 50:20) And then is that separate from the major renovation? [Speaker 2] (50:20 - 50:21) There's an additional 50. [Speaker 1] (50:22 - 50:25) No, that's an alternative project. [Speaker 1] (50:26 - 50:44) So I put that on there sort of as a juxtaposition so that we could look at it as the options. And the options are start to build towards a larger project and have that discussion in earnest, or we really would be neglectful if we didn't start putting forth. [Speaker 1] (50:44 - 51:10) you know major singular projects that actually can't be that singular because when we do the HVAC we have to do the electrical because it's going to be a much more electrified system you do those two big systems you're probably going to be triggering some codes you're definitely triggering some codes for accessibility and addressing the elevator and other accessibility items in the building you're probably gonna be putting a sprinkler system in at that same time [Speaker 1] (51:10 - 51:37) time it just it gets really big and expensive really fast because of what the needs of the building are and you know with Tanya you know she can speak to her her tech needs at the building but you know they're they're major as well and you know they kind of fit in with the electrical if we're doing electrical renovation but talking millions of dollars to kind of get that building to a level with technology that you know is on par with our with our other buildings [Speaker 3] (51:38 - 51:41) Max, this is something you think it's going to be down in one sort of whole, [Speaker 3] (51:41 - 51:55) you know, big old project, not in stages or 'cause once you start taking critical systems down, you can't have students in the school, alright, so uh thi this is like a tape the whole school down and do this major upgrade, is that what you're thinking? [Speaker 1] (51:55 - 52:04) Um I don't no not really actually. I think I think there may be an opportunity um to do it in phases. [Speaker 1] (52:04 - 52:09) Because it would be really really hard to empty the middle school and and and [Speaker 3] (52:09 - 52:14) My knock-on question was gonna be like now we know what we might need to keep clock around for and that's pretty great [Speaker 1] (52:16 - 52:16) Yes, that's correct. [Speaker 4] (52:17 - 52:25) Max, what are the what are the grant opportunities for renovations? What's the difference between a new building and grant grants for new building and then grants for renovations? [Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:27) So a major renovation project [Speaker 1] (52:28 - 52:32) is in the same program with the MSBA as a new construction. [Speaker 1] (52:32 - 52:35) They fit into the, it's called the core program. [Speaker 1] (52:37 - 52:42) There's smaller grant opportunities through MSBA for just a select bucket of projects, roofs, [Speaker 1] (52:43 - 52:43) windows, [Speaker 1] (52:44 - 52:47) and now, it used to be boilers, now it's heat pumps. [Speaker 1] (52:49 - 52:56) The reason we did not seek the MSBA grant program for the windows is that if you are anticipating a core [Speaker 1] (52:57 - 53:13) project you are directed to not submit for the accelerated repair projects so where we think there's a good possibility that there's a core project in the future it wasn't appropriate for us to apply for the for the window project actually [Speaker 5] (53:13 - 53:19) But is there no difference in the expected reimbursement level from new construction versus a renovation? [Speaker 1] (53:20 - 53:24) the expected reimbursement is actually higher with a renovation because of the [Speaker 1] (53:27 - 53:39) because of the lack of site work. So the MSBA formula is extremely complicated. I don't actually know it, but I know a component of it is there's a cap on site work. And you hit that whenever you do a new construction project, [Speaker 1] (53:39 - 53:47) but with a renovation you're highly unlikely to ever hit that. So your end of the day reimbursement rate is actually likely to be higher on a renovation. [Speaker 3] (53:48 - 53:48) But [Speaker 5] (53:48 - 53:48) Surprise. [Speaker 3] (53:48 - 53:59) Max, the the alternatives that you're proposing is one in major renovation and the other one is the alternate systems and is there a difference in the reimbursements for those two options? [Speaker 5] (54:00 - 54:00) Reimbursement. [Speaker 1] (54:00 - 54:07) Yeah, the alternate systems is you're only going to get a reimbursement for at this point the [Speaker 1] (54:07 - 54:09) Like the if we do a heat pump project, [Speaker 1] (54:10 - 54:17) we would say we did not submit for a statement of interest for the core program and as a town decided that wasn't the direction we're going to go in, [Speaker 1] (54:17 - 54:28) we would likely be looking at the accelerated repair for the HVAC system and we would likely eventually be able to get reimbursement for that, [Speaker 1] (54:28 - 54:34) but not the not the full electric system, [Speaker 1] (54:34 - 54:35) not the [Speaker 1] (54:36 - 54:38) Not the accessibility, not the technology, [Speaker 1] (54:39 - 54:43) just the singular accelerator repair project. [Speaker 4] (54:46 - 55:06) Max, can you walk us through the process of putting in a letter of interest? Do you automatically, does MSBA automatically kind of tell you which road or which path you can take and what your options are in terms of funding, reimbursement? Is it kind of a one-stop shop thing or do you have to submit separate ones depending on the scope? [Speaker 1] (55:08 - 55:10) So when you submit, [Speaker 1] (55:10 - 55:14) you're defining whether you're submitting for the core program or for accelerated repair. [Speaker 1] (55:14 - 55:18) But as we found out with the Hadley new elementary school project, [Speaker 1] (55:18 - 55:21) you don't actually define the full scope when you submit. [Speaker 1] (55:21 - 55:35) And they want you to be looking at the different options and be keeping your mind open. I mean, I feel strongly that our best opportunity is likely for a renovation. And I know that the MSBA actually looks. [Speaker 1] (55:36 - 55:39) looks positively at that. [Speaker 1] (55:39 - 55:47) They'd rather see you work with existing stock than, you know, tear a building down and put it in a landfill and have this massive expense and project of new construction. [Speaker 1] (55:49 - 55:49) So... [Speaker 1] (55:50 - 55:51) Does that does that answer your [Speaker 4] (55:51 - 55:52) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (55:52 - 55:52) question? [Speaker 4] (55:52 - 55:59) it does. It you know, how how close would you say is there like a timeline for when this happens? Is there a certain window of [Speaker 1] (55:59 - 55:59) Okay. [Speaker 4] (55:59 - 56:02) when you'd be looking to submit if you do look to submit? [Speaker 1] (56:02 - 56:02) Yes, [Speaker 1] (56:02 - 56:04) the the window opens each January, [Speaker 1] (56:04 - 56:07) we don't know the exact date and then there's about a three month period. [Speaker 1] (56:08 - 56:13) You usually submit by a point in March, a statement of interest. [Speaker 1] (56:15 - 56:18) The submission is not a super heavy lift. [Speaker 1] (56:18 - 56:21) We did one, you know, seven, [Speaker 1] (56:21 - 56:22) eight, [Speaker 1] (56:22 - 56:23) nine years ago now, [Speaker 1] (56:23 - 56:31) and it's very doable. I think the big kicker of it is that it requires a vote of both, [Speaker 1] (56:31 - 56:39) in our case, the select board and the school committee approving the submission and their support for the statement of interest. [Speaker 4] (56:41 - 56:56) And again, either one of these options, the major renovation or the alternate system upgrade, is separate from the window project at the middle school. That is already allocated or f you know, sev that's separate, right? So that that's gonna happen kind of regardless right or [Speaker 1] (56:56 - 57:07) Yeah, I mean we're so we're designing the window project right now, and we will be seeking the appropriation at town meeting, with that that we have not appropriated funds as a community to to do the construction. [Speaker 1] (57:07 - 57:07) construction yet. [Speaker 5] (57:19 - 57:29) Max, just when is the we have to your point we've only funded the design of the windows in the middle school do we know when we'll have a warrant article to fund the project itself [Speaker 1] (57:30 - 57:31) We expect it in May. [Speaker 5] (57:31 - 57:32) may [Speaker 5] (57:32 - 57:32) Yes. [Speaker 1] (57:32 - 57:47) And that would be for construction the following summer because we wouldn't be able to appropriate in May and do the window project the following summer just because of the timelines for a project of that scale. We have to do that project in the summer because it is a... [Speaker 2] (57:49 - 57:50) So it's another [Speaker 4] (57:50 - 57:50) Is [Speaker 2] (57:50 - 57:50) year [Speaker 4] (57:50 - 57:50) it [Speaker 2] (57:50 - 57:50) and [Speaker 4] (57:50 - 57:51) not a enough? [Speaker 2] (57:51 - 57:51) half. [Speaker 4] (57:51 - 57:51) Okay. [Speaker 2] (57:51 - 57:51) Yes. [Speaker 4] (57:51 - 57:54) So you're talking summer of 2027 to [Speaker 1] (57:54 - 57:55) Correct. [Speaker 4] (57:55 - 58:03) actually do a project that could be funded this coming May. Can you just walk me through why, if we fund it, if we approve it in May, [Speaker 4] (58:03 - 58:09) so you're saying you can't send out an RFP, can't you send out an RFP with the... [Speaker 4] (58:09 - 58:12) With the caveat upon approval of town meeting? [Speaker 1] (58:13 - 58:14) Well, it wouldn't likely be an RFP. [Speaker 1] (58:15 - 58:22) You can do a bid ahead of funding. You can't sign a contract without the funds appropriated, but they can't order, [Speaker 1] (58:22 - 58:25) they're not going to order the windows until we've appropriated the funds, [Speaker 1] (58:25 - 58:32) and you can't order the windows in May and have them ready for install in [Speaker 1] (58:33 - 58:42) July as you know as of right now there have been times in the past you may have been able to do that but with lead times it's not it's not currently practical well [Speaker 3] (58:42 - 58:46) So what would the lead time be for a project of this scope and size, [Speaker 3] (58:46 - 58:46) Max? [Speaker 3] (58:47 - 58:47) Is this a... [Speaker 1] (58:47 - 58:52) it would be implemented in summer 27 the windows is that what you're asking with the windows still [Speaker 6] (58:54 - 58:57) From the time from the time you order the windows, I mean these are [Speaker 4] (58:57 - 58:58) Installing them. [Speaker 6] (58:58 - 59:01) yeah to install them, like what's that what's that time frame? What's that? [Speaker 1] (59:02 - 59:17) Yes. Um so we we actually we interviewed four design firms recently and and had this exact discussion with with all of them. Uh we're confident that we would be able to install all of the windows in the middle school in one summer. [Speaker 7] (59:21 - 59:23) How long right now from order to delivery? [Speaker 1] (59:23 - 59:25) I don't know the answer to [Speaker 7] (59:25 - 59:25) Definitely [Speaker 1] (59:25 - 59:25) that. [Speaker 7] (59:25 - 59:27) longer than two months. [Speaker 1] (59:27 - 59:29) Definitely longer than two months. [Speaker 6] (59:31 - 59:34) Maybe just to say it out loud, so if we slam this into the special town meeting. [Speaker 2] (59:35 - 59:35) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (59:35 - 59:38) in December, could you get the windows done over the summer? [Speaker 3] (59:39 - 59:48) Probably, but we don't know the cost with the with with the certainty at this point we haven't we haven't designed it so [Speaker 1] (59:48 - 59:48) Okay. [Speaker 1] (59:51 - 59:52) That's right. [Speaker 2] (59:52 - 59:54) When will the design be completed? [Speaker 3] (59:56 - 1:00:07) The design will be completed at a schematic level ahead of town meeting, so we'll have cost certainty well in advance of town meeting, [Speaker 3] (1:00:07 - 1:00:09) of May town meeting, [Speaker 3] (1:00:09 - 1:00:11) and then the... [Speaker 3] (1:00:11 - 1:00:12) Right now, again, [Speaker 3] (1:00:12 - 1:00:15) we're just signing the contract with the contractor, [Speaker 3] (1:00:15 - 1:00:19) so we do have these dates, but there's still a little bit of tentativeness to them. [Speaker 3] (1:00:21 - 1:00:27) We're anticipating construction documents in, sorry, I'm just trying to remember the, [Speaker 3] (1:00:27 - 1:00:28) it's spring, [Speaker 3] (1:00:28 - 1:00:33) this coming late spring. [Speaker 3] (1:00:38 - 1:00:42) And it's, you know, the window design at the middle school is not. [Speaker 3] (1:00:42 - 1:00:43) It's not simple. [Speaker 3] (1:00:43 - 1:00:52) There's actually some really complicated things going on with the facade of the building because we're dealing with a 50s building for a major section of the building. [Speaker 3] (1:00:53 - 1:01:01) And they didn't build buildings from a water tightness perspective the same way in the 50s than they did in the 70s than they do today, [Speaker 3] (1:01:01 - 1:01:02) certainly. [Speaker 3] (1:01:02 - 1:01:11) So there's some pretty intense design work that has to happen. And in the first sort of stage of the project, [Speaker 3] (1:01:11 - 1:01:25) is actually a study of the entire facade to understand sort of the long-term potential and implications of the building because they're aware of our possible, [Speaker 3] (1:01:25 - 1:01:26) you know, future projects. [Speaker 3] (1:01:35 - 1:01:37) So that's really the big one. [Speaker 3] (1:01:37 - 1:01:40) It's kind of a tough project to follow, [Speaker 3] (1:01:40 - 1:01:48) and I did already speak earlier about both the SHS parking lot solar canopy and about the HVAC project, [Speaker 3] (1:01:48 - 1:01:54) so I don't really have a lot more on those right now, but happy to answer any questions. [Speaker 1] (1:01:55 - 1:01:57) I think this is good work Max. [Speaker 1] (1:01:57 - 1:01:58) I think something I'd like [Speaker 1] (1:01:58 - 1:02:01) If we can get our information organized this way, [Speaker 1] (1:02:01 - 1:02:04) the word in my mind is scenarios, right? [Speaker 1] (1:02:04 - 1:02:24) So there may be a scenario where we have a major renovation and and if that if we if we use that as the first brick in the in the wall like w what other projects would we put around that, right? Or if we decide we're not gonna do a of a full renovation, we're gonna do the systems approach. Well what scenario does that put us in, right? 'Cause we may be able to free up other resources or there may be timing. [Speaker 1] (1:02:25 - 1:02:25) Um, [Speaker 1] (1:02:26 - 1:02:29) so maybe we need, maybe we can do that for the school projects, [Speaker 1] (1:02:30 - 1:02:39) but we're also going to have to zoom out and look townwide at, you know, certain scenarios. If we decide that we were going to emphasize investing in our schools, [Speaker 1] (1:02:39 - 1:02:40) that's going to be the priority, [Speaker 1] (1:02:40 - 1:02:43) you know, prioritization is about what you don't do, right? [Speaker 1] (1:02:43 - 1:02:46) So what does that mean we can't do as a result if we're going to invest in? [Speaker 1] (1:02:47 - 1:03:14) our our town infrastructure in the dpw the library town hall the beaches whatever that means town infrastructure maybe there's some scenarios we can put together around that so i i don't know what everyone else's expectations are for tonight but to me this is just an information gathering discussion and and starting to have a high level discussion about like what are the themes and what are the priorities that we're going to address address together over the coming years but at some point we're going to have to put together [Speaker 1] (1:03:15 - 1:03:17) You know if we do X we can't do Y, right? We're gonna have to get to that decision. [Speaker 4] (1:03:20 - 1:03:40) I just have a question about the state funding. Are we in any less ideal of a position because they just funded an elementary school? Or is that, does it even potentially put us in a better position because they know that we've just successfully done a project and they know what we know, you know, the pitfalls and all the things since they just walked it through with us? [Speaker 3] (1:03:41 - 1:03:42) No, that's a great question. [Speaker 3] (1:03:42 - 1:03:44) I don't really know the answer. [Speaker 3] (1:03:44 - 1:03:46) We've thought about it a lot. [Speaker 3] (1:03:46 - 1:03:49) We're not like in a cooling off period or anything. [Speaker 3] (1:03:49 - 1:03:52) We are certainly able to get back on the horse. [Speaker 3] (1:03:53 - 1:03:55) But I think we have two, [Speaker 3] (1:03:55 - 1:03:56) just like you said, [Speaker 3] (1:03:56 - 1:03:58) we have two things that are working against each other. [Speaker 3] (1:03:58 - 1:04:00) They're going to probably look at us as a small community, [Speaker 3] (1:04:00 - 1:04:01) a well-off community. [Speaker 3] (1:04:02 - 1:04:05) Are they do they deserve another project right away? [Speaker 3] (1:04:05 - 1:04:09) But they're also going to look at us as an unbelievable partner that implemented a great project. [Speaker 4] (1:04:09 - 1:04:09) Right. [Speaker 3] (1:04:10 - 1:04:15) So I don't know exactly how that kind of shakes out at the MSBA level. [Speaker 3] (1:04:15 - 1:04:20) My sort of guess is I think it's good to get in because I think there's a real chance they. [Speaker 3] (1:04:21 - 1:04:32) They maybe say no on our first pass and then we kind of get back in and tweak it and are that much like smarter with the process and maybe we you know we get it the second time around but I don't really know. [Speaker 4] (1:04:32 - 1:04:38) Is there substantial feedback if they say no where they're going to provide us with reasons why or? [Speaker 3] (1:04:39 - 1:04:41) I don't I don't know the answer to that. [Speaker 4] (1:04:41 - 1:04:41) Okay, cool. [Speaker 2] (1:04:43 - 1:04:45) I think in the past it was just a no. [Speaker 4] (1:04:46 - 1:04:46) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:04:50 - 1:04:51) Also, [Speaker 4] (1:04:51 - 1:04:55) just to go back a slide to the DPW yard construction, new yard construction, [Speaker 4] (1:04:55 - 1:04:59) are there costs related to that for like scope design, [Speaker 4] (1:04:59 - 1:05:00) anything? [Speaker 4] (1:05:00 - 1:05:02) I mean, it must be over $100,000, right? [Speaker 3] (1:05:03 - 1:05:05) Yep. We have, it's [Speaker 4] (1:05:05 - 1:05:07) That's already on the schedule. [Speaker 3] (1:05:08 - 1:05:14) already appropriated. We have $200,000 appropriated. We're developing an RFQ right now. [Speaker 3] (1:05:15 - 1:05:18) We think that we can, we can. [Speaker 3] (1:05:20 - 1:05:46) get at least a schematic design with that it will depend on whether we kind of focus on one site or looking at multiple sites so that's a discussion point but you know if we are able to kind of tell a company to like let's look at this site and and advance that that would be we get more out of that than being like okay we have to open this up to the to the whole town and and look at the different feasibilities of different locations so that's an open [Speaker 3] (1:05:46 - 1:05:47) Discussion right now. [Speaker 5] (1:05:49 - 1:05:55) Just to go back to the the LOI situation, so you said the window is January, is that correct? [Speaker 3] (1:05:55 - 1:05:56) It opens in January. [Speaker 5] (1:05:57 - 1:05:58) And when does it close? [Speaker 3] (1:05:58 - 1:05:58) In March. [Speaker 5] (1:05:59 - 1:06:03) Okay. So being that we're in November, is that something that [Speaker 5] (1:06:04 - 1:06:31) we should be considering or or talking about in the in the short term if they rule us out and say no you're out of luck then we can at least understand our priority list to Ryan's point of what we could fund what we couldn't do and it's going to change the whole landscape right if that's something completely off the table that we know we're not qualified for we're not accepted into right that changes everything else kind of as it would come into play right so is that the intent [Speaker 5] (1:06:32 - 1:06:36) To really submit for January, is that the direction you think we're headed? [Speaker 3] (1:06:37 - 1:06:44) I think what I was hoping to kind of spur with this is to like definitely open up the discussions to [Speaker 5] (1:06:44 - 1:06:44) I [Speaker 3] (1:06:44 - 1:06:44) that. [Speaker 5] (1:06:44 - 1:06:45) don't want to put you on the spot. [Speaker 5] (1:06:45 - 1:06:46) I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. [Speaker 3] (1:06:46 - 1:06:53) The piece that's missing from this is like the financial analysis and I don't have that to provide like the debt service implications, [Speaker 3] (1:06:54 - 1:06:54) all of that. [Speaker 3] (1:06:54 - 1:07:01) Like that needs to be a part of the conversation. It was a really, really important part of the conversation the last time around. [Speaker 3] (1:07:01 - 1:07:04) So I'm taking a very facilities. [Speaker 3] (1:07:04 - 1:07:08) centric view but I mean it has to be a layered conversation. [Speaker 5] (1:07:09 - 1:07:10) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (1:07:11 - 1:07:13) On the window, the first yellow line, could you [Speaker 1] (1:07:14 - 1:07:21) put the application and put the windows included with also capitalizing the windows just in case it doesn't get accepted? [Speaker 3] (1:07:23 - 1:07:24) I don't [Speaker 3] (1:07:25 - 1:07:27) I don't think it really works like that. [Speaker 3] (1:07:27 - 1:07:30) Like you're putting a SOI in for a core project. [Speaker 1] (1:07:30 - 1:07:30) Thanks, [Speaker 3] (1:07:30 - 1:07:33) You're telling them you're gonna do something really big. [Speaker 3] (1:07:34 - 1:07:37) And you can't tell them exactly what that is. [Speaker 3] (1:07:37 - 1:07:38) So when [Speaker 1] (1:07:38 - 1:07:42) Right, what's the response back if you put that letter in 30, [Speaker 1] (1:07:42 - 1:07:43) 60, 90, 120 days, [Speaker 1] (1:07:43 - 1:07:45) if they accept it? [Speaker 3] (1:07:45 - 1:07:48) do we get a response on the statement of interest? [Speaker 3] (1:07:48 - 1:07:49) I don't actually know. [Speaker 1] (1:07:49 - 1:07:51) Right, because if we're waiting a year and a half for the windows. [Speaker 5] (1:07:52 - 1:07:52) Right. [Speaker 6] (1:07:52 - 1:07:54) Why not include it in the application if it [Speaker 3] (1:07:54 - 1:07:55) Well, if [Speaker 6] (1:07:55 - 1:07:55) gets it? [Speaker 3] (1:07:55 - 1:08:04) we put a statement of interest in and we did a major project and by the time we got into the design we hadn't done a window project, [Speaker 3] (1:08:04 - 1:08:08) it would inherently get included. [Speaker 3] (1:08:08 - 1:08:10) So I think... [Speaker 3] (1:08:12 - 1:08:16) There could be a takeaway there that the timeline I talked about on the window project, [Speaker 3] (1:08:16 - 1:08:19) if we ever were in a position to kind of back it out, [Speaker 3] (1:08:19 - 1:08:21) that could kind of work hand [Speaker 6] (1:08:21 - 1:08:21) Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:08:21 - 1:08:22) in hand. [Speaker 6] (1:08:22 - 1:08:22) Right. [Speaker 3] (1:08:22 - 1:08:23) I'm not advocating for that. [Speaker 3] (1:08:23 - 1:08:27) I need to look at the condition of the building today. The windows are unacceptable. [Speaker 3] (1:08:27 - 1:08:28) We need to be advancing that. [Speaker 3] (1:08:29 - 1:08:35) But there is a consideration years down the road that that could be a scenario. [Speaker 6] (1:08:35 - 1:08:36) All right, cool. [Speaker 6] (1:08:36 - 1:08:36) Thank you. [Speaker 4] (1:08:38 - 1:08:38) Yeah, [Speaker 4] (1:08:38 - 1:08:40) I think we talked about the reverse of that last year, [Speaker 4] (1:08:40 - 1:08:43) which was like, should we go forward to the state for the window project? [Speaker 4] (1:08:44 - 1:08:49) Because what is the chances that the middle school project is going to come to fruition in the next five, [Speaker 4] (1:08:50 - 1:08:50) seven, [Speaker 4] (1:08:50 - 1:08:51) 10 years? [Speaker 4] (1:08:51 - 1:08:53) And if it's not going to come to fruition, [Speaker 4] (1:08:53 - 1:09:02) then we potentially should go forward to the state with the window project because even if we all want it to happen, like town's still going to have to support. [Speaker 4] (1:09:02 - 1:09:14) project of that magnitude and we've unfortunately seen school projects fail multiple more than they've succeeded in this town so I think we talked a little bit about that last year [Speaker 2] (1:09:25 - 1:09:29) Max, are there any preclusions since we stopped? [Speaker 1] (1:09:32 - 1:09:41) Like, would that get factored in if we did apply to the MSBA for the accelerated repair project? [Speaker 2] (1:09:42 - 1:09:42) Yeah, definitely. [Speaker 2] (1:09:43 - 1:09:51) We're going down a totally different track for a window project than an MSBA accelerated repair project for windows looks like. [Speaker 2] (1:09:51 - 1:09:53) So it would be like... [Speaker 2] (1:09:53 - 1:10:21) stop back to square one they have a very like structured approach it takes it's a very it's a lengthy approach that you have to do deep studies it actually ends up costing more like on a total number when you when you work with the MSBA like you you pay less because you're paying a percentage but their their process is kind of complicated and layered and like the project would be a more expensive project on the sum but you know to answer your question more succinctly [Speaker 2] (1:10:21 - 1:10:25) Yeah, it would definitely change the entire process. [Speaker 1] (1:10:26 - 1:10:28) So I think I know the answer to this, [Speaker 1] (1:10:28 - 1:10:32) but if everybody were in lockstep and ready to vote, [Speaker 1] (1:10:32 - 1:10:34) what would your, [Speaker 1] (1:10:34 - 1:10:37) where would you see this and the best scenario? [Speaker 2] (1:10:39 - 1:10:45) At this stage, I think it's really important that we continue the design process for the windows. [Speaker 2] (1:10:47 - 1:10:55) If we're in lockstep and we're hitting a home run with the process and we fill out a statement of interest, [Speaker 2] (1:10:55 - 1:10:58) we get accepted into the program immediately, [Speaker 2] (1:10:58 - 1:11:00) we start to understand the timeline, [Speaker 2] (1:11:00 - 1:11:05) and there's a scenario where it doesn't make sense to implement the window project. [Speaker 2] (1:11:06 - 1:11:08) I don't know that that's likely at this stage. [Speaker 2] (1:11:09 - 1:11:13) I think that there's so many things that need to stack here. [Speaker 2] (1:11:14 - 1:11:19) that that's just that's one possible scenario but I don't think that's necessarily the most likely scenario. [Speaker 3] (1:11:23 - 1:11:28) So out of all the lists that you have of things that you're presenting from a facilities point of view, [Speaker 3] (1:11:28 - 1:11:39) this middle school major renovation or the alternate systems is the biggest, right? So it is it is the one that will dictate how a lot of other things will unfold, [Speaker 3] (1:11:39 - 1:11:39) right? [Speaker 3] (1:11:39 - 1:11:45) So it kind of deserves the most scrutiny, the most attention when it comes to decision making and thought process, [Speaker 3] (1:11:45 - 1:11:45) right? [Speaker 3] (1:11:46 - 1:11:49) That's kind of the way I see it. I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. [Speaker 2] (1:11:49 - 1:12:00) Yeah, it's definitely the biggest like from a dollar value I think that you know the DPW yard is a big project as well It's just you know not as large of a footprint and complexity [Speaker 2] (1:12:01 - 1:12:04) That's a that's a big project too though to just to be fair [Speaker 3] (1:12:07 - 1:12:07) Max, [Speaker 3] (1:12:07 - 1:12:11) one of the worries that I have are these little things that come up out of nowhere. [Speaker 3] (1:12:11 - 1:12:15) Like I'm trying to, I really want to have a better understanding as far as in facilities. [Speaker 4] (1:12:16 - 1:12:24) What else is out there that we need to do? For example, last spring, all of a sudden the track popped up out of nowhere. [Speaker 1] (1:12:24 - 1:12:25) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (1:12:25 - 1:12:45) It hadn't been on anyone's um radar and just out of nowhere we now need a minimum of a million dollars up out of track. What about the turf field down below, when is that gonna get replaced? What about, you know, the field house? I mean there's a lot of little things that keep adding up and jumping out onto our list here that [Speaker 4] (1:12:45 - 1:12:53) I really think we need to have a full-blown serious, you know, audit of what we're going to need so we know where are the priorities going to go. [Speaker 2] (1:12:54 - 1:12:55) Yeah, no, [Speaker 2] (1:12:55 - 1:12:56) definitely. [Speaker 2] (1:12:56 - 1:12:56) I mean, [Speaker 2] (1:12:56 - 1:12:59) I'm in the loop on the track field. [Speaker 2] (1:12:59 - 1:13:12) I mean, we had a meeting just last week or the week before with Gino and Jason to talk about the fields generally and sort of longer term planning. You know, those are. [Speaker 2] (1:13:13 - 1:13:22) They are sort of shared spaces and sort of shared responsibilities for like the planning and that makes it a little more complicated as far as like how to. [Speaker 2] (1:13:23 - 1:13:45) appropriately attack them I mean keep in mind like I I'm specifically speaking about like facilities building projects basically right right here but that's only a piece of the of the larger capital plan I think that's a big part of why for you're having this meeting today is to like think more together and holistically about how we're approaching you know the projects [Speaker 4] (1:13:46 - 1:13:48) Right. But for example, in this project, [Speaker 4] (1:13:48 - 1:13:49) I'm looking in... [Speaker 4] (1:13:49 - 1:13:54) Right now we're about to spend $100,000 on a community life study. [Speaker 4] (1:13:55 - 1:13:57) A community life centre would cost what, [Speaker 4] (1:13:57 - 1:14:10) $60 million and where would where does that fit in in this in this picture? So I'm just saying these are all nice little bullet points we have here, but I really wanna see the bigger bigger picture. [Speaker 2] (1:14:11 - 1:14:12) No, I I understand. [Speaker 3] (1:14:13 - 1:14:17) I'm just curious as to why we don't have um why the track or the [Speaker 3] (1:14:19 - 1:14:22) for the turf situation isn't here or isn't on this list. [Speaker 5] (1:14:22 - 1:14:22) Sounded [Speaker 6] (1:14:22 - 1:14:23) No, [Speaker 5] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23) exactly. [Speaker 6] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23) it's it's [Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:14:24) I'll see if Dina has an it's answer. [Speaker 5] (1:14:24 - 1:14:24) It's [Speaker 3] (1:14:24 - 1:14:24) Oh, it's on it's there. [Speaker 6] (1:14:24 - 1:14:24) it's [Speaker 1] (1:14:24 - 1:14:24) it's under it's D. [Speaker 6] (1:14:24 - 1:14:25) within Jano's [Speaker 3] (1:14:25 - 1:14:25) Oh, it's under D. [Speaker 6] (1:14:25 - 1:14:25) presentation. [Speaker 3] (1:14:25 - 1:14:26) Oh, [Speaker 3] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26) good. [Speaker 3] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26) That's good. [Speaker 5] (1:14:27 - 1:14:28) I think uh [Speaker 3] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28) Oh. [Speaker 5] (1:14:28 - 1:14:35) maybe we should move on then to Jano's and that way we can sort of figure out what we're missing after that conversation. [Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36) Absolutely. [Speaker 6] (1:14:36 - 1:14:37) Yeah, for sure. [Speaker 3] (1:14:38 - 1:14:39) Thank you, Max. [Speaker 1] (1:14:39 - 1:14:39) Good to see you. [Speaker 3] (1:14:39 - 1:14:40) Of course. [Speaker 1] (1:14:47 - 1:14:48) People paying notes. [Speaker 5] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49) Do you want to walk So around? [Speaker 7] (1:14:49 - 1:14:50) how does it work? [Speaker 2] (1:14:50 - 1:14:53) Yeah, you just hold on to it. Uh you just keep that, uh close to your mouth, okay. [Speaker 7] (1:14:53 - 1:14:55) Okay. I like being in the back. [Speaker 7] (1:15:33 - 1:15:33) I think. [Speaker 3] (1:15:38 - 1:15:39) High schoolers building. [Speaker 7] (1:15:41 - 1:15:43) You might be a little delayed, but pretty close, [Speaker 3] (1:15:43 - 1:15:44) Oh. [Speaker 7] (1:15:56 - 1:15:56) There we go. [Speaker 7] (1:16:34 - 1:16:34) I'll start. [Speaker 5] (1:16:34 - 1:16:35) Does anyone want to switch here? [Speaker 5] (1:16:36 - 1:16:37) You want to just work off of that? [Speaker 7] (1:16:37 - 1:16:38) Yeah, I can work [Speaker 5] (1:16:38 - 1:16:38) Okay. [Speaker 7] (1:16:38 - 1:16:39) off of mine too. [Speaker 5] (1:16:39 - 1:16:41) We have it in our packets, right? Uh yeah. [Speaker 4] (1:16:41 - 1:16:41) Alright. [Speaker 5] (1:16:42 - 1:16:44) So at home we're having some technical difficulty getting that. [Speaker 7] (1:16:46 - 1:16:46) So we'll start. [Speaker 4] (1:16:46 - 1:16:47) Oh. [Speaker 7] (1:16:47 - 1:16:48) Let's keep this moving. [Speaker 7] (1:16:48 - 1:16:51) I think everybody wants to probably get home and watch the Pats tonight. [Speaker 4] (1:16:52 - 1:16:53) That's good. [Speaker 7] (1:16:53 - 1:16:56) So the first one on the list is the DPW facility. [Speaker 7] (1:16:56 - 1:17:02) We've been talking about that facility as far back as 2005 when I was a member of the Capital Improvement Committee. [Speaker 7] (1:17:03 - 1:17:13) The time has come. One of the things that I'd like to talk about probably most importantly is we have a lift that's outside. So for any of our six-yard trucks and above, [Speaker 7] (1:17:13 - 1:17:16) when you look at the garage for the mechanic, [Speaker 7] (1:17:17 - 1:17:20) he's outside in the wintertime on a lift, [Speaker 7] (1:17:20 - 1:17:22) especially when something's going wrong in the snow. [Speaker 7] (1:17:23 - 1:17:24) Safety issue. [Speaker 7] (1:17:24 - 1:17:40) It's not handicap accessible. There is a few issues there. I had we don't have to beat it anymore and really appreciate Max, the assistance he's been given me over the years. And when you look at the number I have obviously there is a typo between my number and Max's number there. I think we missed a one there. [Speaker 7] (1:17:42 - 1:17:49) So, moving on down the list, the next one on the list is sewer main rehab. If we have the same list. [Speaker 7] (1:17:51 - 1:18:08) Currently we're probably spent close to twelve million dollars when you count the three point five million dollar contract we're involved with right now with cleaning up King's Beach. Two thousand fifteen the E_P_A_ hit us with a consent decree. We're working to resolve those issues. [Speaker 7] (1:18:09 - 1:18:18) Most of you know we've been working with Lynn most recently, a U_V_ pilot we set up. But this work here is wha we refer to as I_D_D_E_ work. [Speaker 7] (1:18:18 - 1:18:42) So, we said discharge detection and elimination. So we're going to be continue to do that regardless of the U.S. system, whether that happens or not, and that's probably a discussion for another day. The three point five million dollars that I'm refering to right here, it's an SIRF loan. We applied for it. We're in the second phase of that. If we do not get the SIRF loan, [Speaker 7] (1:18:43 - 1:18:49) This can go away this year because we're not going to borrow it. We're only going to go forward with this if we get the SRF fund. [Speaker 7] (1:18:49 - 1:18:53) We are currently in the middle, as they said, of a $3.5 million project. [Speaker 7] (1:18:55 - 1:19:00) If it had to get kicked out another year for us to get approved for that, I think DEP, EPA would be [Speaker 7] (1:19:01 - 1:19:14) Satisfied with this is previously we were doing two million dollars worth of work every other year. It's translated to one million dollars a year, and they didn't think that was fast enough. I don't know if we do three and a half million every two years that [Speaker 7] (1:19:15 - 1:19:17) confident to be happy with that. [Speaker 7] (1:19:18 - 1:19:24) Water meter replacement, another big ticket item we have down there for three million dollars. We last replaced the water meters in 20 [Speaker 1] (1:19:32 - 1:19:34) We're right at probably the 20 years now. [Speaker 1] (1:19:34 - 1:19:39) The reason you want to replace them is me to start under-recording after about 20 years. [Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:41) That's what loses a little bit of revenue. [Speaker 1] (1:19:41 - 1:19:50) Technically we don't really lose the revenue I always say because unfortunately most of us in the room are picking up for that lost revenue because we're not increasing the rates. [Speaker 1] (1:19:51 - 1:19:58) But there's a number we've talked about for years that whether it's this year or next year it's something that needs to happen. [Speaker 1] (1:20:00 - 1:20:05) Next one on the list, I think Danielle was referring to this, or maybe Mary Ellen, uh replace a track at Upper Jackson. [Speaker 1] (1:20:06 - 1:20:23) We were w aware some issues at Upper Jackson in the past and we did cut out sections of 'em. Where it's being damaged is from tree roots on the outside of the property. The tree roots are coming in and uplifting the track. They said if you go up there now you'll see the where we cut out a couple of sections prepared. [Speaker 1] (1:20:24 - 1:20:29) It's pro pretty yarn repair right now. It came to our attention last year that [Speaker 2] (1:20:29 - 1:20:29) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:20:30 - 1:20:38) um one of the meets uh referee at one of the meets said that we probably would no longer be able to have meets up there if the track wasn't fixed. [Speaker 1] (1:20:39 - 1:20:40) So that's how it came to our attention. [Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:54) I put a number down there for one million because I had met with Field Turf USA, and that was the number they gave me, with a few other amenities up there. But I think Max has met with a the second contractor we met with may not be as high. [Speaker 1] (1:20:55 - 1:20:55) Go. [Speaker 3] (1:20:56 - 1:20:56) You [Speaker 1] (1:20:56 - 1:20:57) Just stay tuned. [Speaker 3] (1:20:57 - 1:20:57) know, [Speaker 1] (1:20:57 - 1:20:58) you know. [Speaker 1] (1:20:58 - 1:20:58) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:20:59 - 1:21:13) You know, I know that the um I mean the timing is going to work out for some of these things very differently, but when you're speaking to them, would you mind what you think the advised time horizon is for these items as you're going through them? [Speaker 1] (1:21:15 - 1:21:16) Good thing. So if we go back to [Speaker 1] (1:21:17 - 1:21:23) If we go back to the top and talk about the DPW facility I'd be con very happy if that happened [Speaker 1] (1:21:24 - 1:21:49) uh FYI 28. Don't know if we knew something was on the horizon for getting that building fixed. Fine. I talked about the r sewer rehab if we got the SRF loan, water metre replacement n in the next couple of years should definitely happen. The track it up at Jackson probably should be happen this year. I'll at least get the funding this year. When the funding becomes available in July, start working on it shortly thereafter. [Speaker 1] (1:21:52 - 1:21:53) The track? No. [Speaker 1] (1:21:53 - 1:21:55) No. But it's [Speaker 4] (1:21:55 - 1:21:56) What was the question? [Speaker 4] (1:21:56 - 1:21:56) Rental. [Speaker 1] (1:21:56 - 1:21:56) Re rent it? [Speaker 1] (1:21:57 - 1:22:12) I'm thinking, you know, where it's a track, but somebody brought that to my attention too. They said jeez, Gina, are they only have one meet a year there? Is it really worth it? But it's used for recreational use too. You go up there, there's residents up there walking on a daily basis. Oh. [Speaker 4] (1:22:12 - 1:22:13) They're probably [Speaker 1] (1:22:13 - 1:22:13) The joggin. [Speaker 4] (1:22:13 - 1:22:14) new students using [Speaker 5] (1:22:17 - 1:22:26) There are probably there are probably more students using the track than uh any other facility that we have more than a hundred kids each semester who are in the track and field. [Speaker 1] (1:22:28 - 1:22:32) And I and I believe it's used for gym as well. Right? Phys ed. Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:22:34 - 1:22:38) And it is a beautiful facility if you've been up there, right? It goes around the soccer field. [Speaker 1] (1:22:39 - 1:22:41) Which is in pretty good condition too, so [Speaker 6] (1:22:41 - 1:22:42) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:22:42 - 1:22:43) That's an investment for the town. [Speaker 6] (1:22:43 - 1:22:47) This track one, we also got a grant from the state for thirty five thousand, right? [Speaker 1] (1:22:47 - 1:22:57) Yes, that's correct, yep. Thirty five thousand dollars Max and I have talked about that. Probably we'll do some engineering or some design work but probably not much more than that. [Speaker 1] (1:22:59 - 1:23:01) Uh continuing on, uh painting the water tower. [Speaker 1] (1:23:02 - 1:23:05) Ryan, you familiar with where the water tower is, [Speaker 6] (1:23:05 - 1:23:05) three [Speaker 1] (1:23:05 - 1:23:05) right? [Speaker 6] (1:23:05 - 1:23:05) before yeah? [Speaker 1] (1:23:05 - 1:23:18) Yeah. So we painted that back in two thousand and one, I believe. So right now we inspect it on a monthly basis. It's starting to rust a little bit. [Speaker 1] (1:23:19 - 1:23:23) We need to paint that not only for aesthetics but to preserve the tank itself. [Speaker 6] (1:23:24 - 1:23:28) It's the what's the life of the water tower? Like how old is it and [Speaker 1] (1:23:29 - 1:23:43) That uh good question. I really don't I know it's dual wall steel tank because we just had it inspected on the inside. We had some divers go in there and inspect it, but I guess I could look into that for you. I don't know what the life expectancy is. [Speaker 6] (1:23:43 - 1:23:46) That's another fee ticket replacement if that [Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:53) Yeah. But I don't think it's anything in the forefront right now. I think if we paint it, it will be in good condition again. [Speaker 1] (1:23:57 - 1:24:02) Next item up is the sewage edder. You can see a picture of one right there on the bottom. [Speaker 1] (1:24:03 - 1:24:15) Sewage edder is, well, that's actually a sewer vacuum, excuse me, not a edder. I have it written down wrong. Uh that could be used for multiple. We have a sewage edder right now that we use to free up sewer blocks. [Speaker 1] (1:24:17 - 1:24:27) that would not only replace that, because it'd be a combination truck, but it'd be using to clean and catch basins. We're mandated by the DEP to clean our storm drains. There's a hundred and fifty of them in town. [Speaker 1] (1:24:28 - 1:24:38) We have a truck right now that we use which has a clam on it. The clamps go down, two clamps come together and lift it up. That truck is from nineteen eighty five. [Speaker 1] (1:24:39 - 1:24:44) You can imagine that doesn't work real optimally. You pick it up, some of the debris falls through. We're working on it. [Speaker 1] (1:24:45 - 1:24:52) You can only probably on a good day can clean ten catch basins a day, with this we'd be able to double that easily. [Speaker 3] (1:24:54 - 1:24:55) So, Gino, a question. [Speaker 1] (1:24:55 - 1:24:55) Yes. [Speaker 3] (1:24:55 - 1:24:58) Is it six hundred and fifty thousand for a brand new truck? [Speaker 1] (1:24:58 - 1:25:00) For the brand new, yes, something similar to that, right. [Speaker 3] (1:25:01 - 1:25:02) Can you get them used like the fire trucks? [Speaker 1] (1:25:04 - 1:25:23) Yeah, we've talked about that. I'm not sure you wanna get a c piece of equipment like that used because it's probably gonna be used with the years 'cause we're contractors who use 'em for now is when they excavate a trench, they loosen up the soil and then they just vacuum it out so you don't have guys gah digging underneath pipes and stuff. [Speaker 1] (1:25:24 - 1:25:25) But someone can look into. [Speaker 3] (1:25:25 - 1:25:26) Right, thank you. [Speaker 1] (1:25:30 - 1:25:33) Well all an up up with an another big ticket item is the water main replacement. [Speaker 1] (1:25:34 - 1:25:36) MWRA interest-free loan, [Speaker 1] (1:25:36 - 1:25:39) we've taken advantage of that over the last twenty years. [Speaker 1] (1:25:40 - 1:25:46) And right now our allocation is five hundred thousand dollars a year. So [Speaker 1] (1:25:46 - 1:26:06) We'll be looking to get appropriate for five hundred thousand dollars, but what I've done in the past is carry that appropriation to a subsequent year. So I'd have one million dollars, so we could do a larger project and get a better value for our dollar. Similarly, you've probably just seen us, we just finished the water main project on Atlantic Ave from Blodgett down to the Marblehead line. [Speaker 1] (1:26:07 - 1:26:13) We also included Beach Bluff Ave and Parma Road and that was a one point one million dollar project. [Speaker 1] (1:26:12 - 1:26:21) project. We're trying to stay on top of replacing the water mains all the time for the obvious reasons, to prevent breaks. And what happens over the years in the old cast-iron mains, [Speaker 1] (1:26:22 - 1:26:30) tuberculation builds on the out inside of the pipes, and that chokes down the diameter of the pipe, so you're not getting the volume of pressure that you probably should. [Speaker 1] (1:26:31 - 1:26:37) When we do replace them, we replace them with cement line lines so you don't have that tuberculation building up on the inside of the pipes. [Speaker 1] (1:26:39 - 1:26:44) Next one is a combined one: uh non-chapter ninety paving, chapter ninety paving. [Speaker 1] (1:26:45 - 1:26:57) I've been working for the town for over 22 years now, and that appropriation for Mass Start has not changed in 22 plus years. They give us $300,000 a year, and as anybody in this room can imagine, [Speaker 1] (1:26:58 - 1:27:09) cost of asphalt has gone up, cost of labor has gone up. So several years ago, we started supplementing that with what we've heard as non-Chapter 90 paving, so we can get more paving done each year. [Speaker 1] (1:27:10 - 1:27:15) So out of that $650,000, $300,000 of it is a grant that from MassDOT. [Speaker 3] (1:27:17 - 1:27:18) Did you ask for more? [Speaker 1] (1:27:19 - 1:27:20) It's based on roadway miles. [Speaker 3] (1:27:21 - 1:27:21) Oh, yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:27:21 - 1:27:23) Yeah. The formula here. [Speaker 1] (1:27:26 - 1:27:34) Uh next one coming up on seawall repairs. With over the past several years we've done a very good job repairing the seawall at [Speaker 1] (1:27:34 - 1:27:42) King's Beach into the tune of probably five point five million dollars to repair that wall over four separate phases. [Speaker 1] (1:27:43 - 1:27:47) That wall is in excellent shape right now, so we've moved on to Isaman's Beach. [Speaker 1] (1:27:47 - 1:28:04) We skipped over fishermen's, which is, you know, we're working on the public beaches right now. That wall is in pretty good shape, so I don't anticipate needing too much work over the years. But the wall at Isaman's Beach is in pretty tough shape. Just put out a contract earlier this week with some tailings that we had from the King's Beach. [Speaker 1] (1:28:06 - 1:28:17) To take care of some of the bigger holes on that and this two hundred and fifty thousand appropriation I'll be looking for is to finish that wall at uh um Eiseman's Beach. Some people refer to it as No Bottom Ocean Beach. [Speaker 1] (1:28:20 - 1:28:22) Next up is equipment replacement. [Speaker 1] (1:28:22 - 1:28:31) Last year I came before the Capital Improvement Committee looking for funding for two sanders. Sanders are pretty expensive, a hundred eighty five thousand dollars apiece. [Speaker 1] (1:28:32 - 1:29:00) I got the appropriation for one which I was happy for. Coming back this year for the appropriation for the second one. The age of the Sanders we have, the one we're replacing this year was two thousand, two thousand, so we're twenty five years old. And the second one is a two thousand and one. So we've talked about maybe leasing a Sanders truck, but if we can get another twenty five years out of a new truck I think it's more wise to purchase it than lease one. [Speaker 1] (1:29:02 - 1:29:06) And lastly on that list is probably the most important one on the list. [Speaker 1] (1:29:06 - 1:29:11) It's not a big ticket number when you look at all the other numbers, it's lift station upgrades. [Speaker 1] (1:29:12 - 1:29:19) We have three 250 horsepower pumps at our pump station, the main pump station on Humphrey Street. [Speaker 1] (1:29:30 - 1:29:31) That's brand new. [Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:45) Now we have to replace start replacing the 250 horsepower pump so I'm gonna probably be looking for a hundred and twenty to a hundred and fifty thousand appropriation for the next two years after that. This will replace one of the pumps down there. [Speaker 1] (1:29:45 - 1:29:59) The lip the pump station was turned into a pump uh converted into a pump station from a wastewater plant in nineteen ninety two. So you're looking at almost thirty four thirty five years and those pumps do a lot of work and it's [Speaker 1] (1:30:00 - 1:30:01) Time has come to replace him. [Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:04) We're happy to answer any questions. [Speaker 2] (1:30:05 - 1:30:09) Gina, how many pumps are down at the lift station? [Speaker 3] (1:30:09 - 1:30:09) Thank [Speaker 1] (1:30:09 - 1:30:10) The [Speaker 3] (1:30:10 - 1:30:10) you. [Speaker 2] (1:30:10 - 1:30:12) p did you mention the number of pumps? [Speaker 1] (1:30:12 - 1:30:18) The pumps, yeah, that's at our pump station. There's three 250 horsepower pumps and one 100 horsepower pump. [Speaker 2] (1:30:18 - 1:30:18) Thank you. [Speaker 3] (1:30:18 - 1:30:21) And you need 120 this year, 120 next year, 120 the year after? [Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:22) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:34) This 120 is, for this year, maybe a little more this year because I used an appropriation from last year for the pony pump to put a $23,000 deposit on a 250 horsepower pump. [Speaker 3] (1:30:34 - 1:30:41) Is there a difference, just going back to the water main replacement, is there a difference between water main replacement and force main? [Speaker 1] (1:30:41 - 1:30:43) Oh, huge difference, she is. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:30:43 - 1:30:45) And where are we with force main? [Speaker 1] (1:30:45 - 1:30:56) Force main, we've been working with Wright Pierce to come up with a proposal, for what we could have asked for this year, I guess, to evaluate force main. [Speaker 3] (1:30:56 - 1:31:01) And isn't that our most vulnerable spot in our water? [Speaker 1] (1:31:02 - 1:31:02) Yes. [Speaker 3] (1:31:04 - 1:31:05) In the sewer. [Speaker 3] (1:31:05 - 1:31:06) In the sewer. [Speaker 1] (1:31:06 - 1:31:20) Yeah, the force main Mary Ellen's referring to was here uh at the pump station, there's a two and a half mile, twenty four inch pipe that carries all our waste water to the Lynn waste water plant here. And if something go wrong there, we're in trouble. [Speaker 3] (1:31:20 - 1:31:21) Big trouble. So [Speaker 1] (1:31:21 - 1:31:25) Similar to what happened in the hot. If anybody's familiar with the Lynn way in the hot, they had a couple of catastrophic [Speaker 3] (1:31:25 - 1:31:25) Are we [Speaker 1] (1:31:25 - 1:31:25) failures. [Speaker 3] (1:31:25 - 1:31:28) going to be adding that in this year and evaluating that? [Speaker 1] (1:31:28 - 1:31:38) Yeah, we probably should. I probably dropped that. I do have a proposal to just I'll get it on there. I'll send it over to Ryan and Patrick to take a look at it. [Speaker 4] (1:31:39 - 1:31:40) What's the cost of [Speaker 1] (1:31:40 - 1:31:44) That I believe was four hundred thousand in the ballpark. [Speaker 4] (1:31:47 - 1:31:52) Chino? What's the um what about the sea wall and any repairs under Hawthorne? [Speaker 1] (1:31:54 - 1:31:56) Good question. Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:31:56 - 1:32:04) I never we probably shouldn't look into that. I know when that we had the failure at Mission on the Bay, uh drought um [Speaker 1] (1:32:05 - 1:32:12) uh extreme shock treat over there to take a look at that wall and they said that was in a lot better condition than the Mission on the Bay seawall. [Speaker 1] (1:32:14 - 1:32:18) So we'll probably do have to add that to the list of the seawalls. [Speaker 5] (1:32:18 - 1:32:28) Do you notice the cost that you show for the water meter replacement of three million is that like the I know it's an estimate But is it the all-in cost of a subcontractor putting them in homes is not just the equipment? [Speaker 1] (1:32:28 - 1:32:29) That's right. Yep. [Speaker 5] (1:32:29 - 1:32:31) No additional DPW cost involved in that project. [Speaker 5] (1:32:31 - 1:32:32) That's not accounted for [Speaker 1] (1:32:32 - 1:32:32) No. [Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:34) Similar to what we did in 2005, [Speaker 1] (1:32:35 - 1:32:36) we worked with two different vendors, [Speaker 1] (1:32:36 - 1:32:39) one to purchase the meters and then one to install them. [Speaker 1] (1:32:40 - 1:32:42) Then we got a better value for our dollar that way. [Speaker 6] (1:32:45 - 1:32:53) So Nick maybe we can ask as a takeaway, it this may exist, I've never seen it, uh to to see a schedule of all of the assets that we have in a town. [Speaker 6] (1:32:54 - 1:33:03) Useful life, end of life, rep replacement cost, uh I've I've yet to see one, I'd love to see one. I know you have limited staffing in your finance department, but it's something I think it'd be worth publishing. [Speaker 7] (1:33:03 - 1:33:07) So that's one of the things that's listed in the policies that we're [Speaker 7] (1:33:07 - 1:33:19) supposed to be doing. I Patrick and I actually talked about it today and we've talked uh both Bill on the accounting side and Patrick's looking at it as well. It's something we will put together especially for the discussions that we'll have with your committee. But [Speaker 5] (1:33:19 - 1:33:19) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (1:33:19 - 1:33:23) we'll share with everyone this afternoon was my first discussion with Patrick about it. [Speaker 6] (1:33:23 - 1:33:24) Great, thank you. [Speaker 4] (1:33:25 - 1:33:25) Chino. [Speaker 1] (1:33:25 - 1:33:29) Right we do have an asset management plan for uh infrastructure, sewer, water and drain. [Speaker 4] (1:33:31 - 1:33:32) Um [Speaker 7] (1:33:32 - 1:33:36) I can I just say I do think a lot of that lives with department heads and it needs to be [Speaker 7] (1:33:36 - 1:33:46) organized and collated in a way that makes sense to folks that want to look at the big picture. So it's not that we're starting from scratch. We do have the information living throughout the departments. We need to bring it together. [Speaker 6] (1:33:46 - 1:33:56) Sure, yeah, I mean like I said, I've just never seen it, so maybe we just need to compile it, but we're we're we're staring into a a cloud into the future here, and I'd like to see the schedule. [Speaker 8] (1:33:58 - 1:34:01) Um, Gino, could you talk a little bit about the turf field, if you don't mind? [Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:02) Yep, be happy to. [Speaker 1] (1:34:03 - 1:34:09) Um, we were told that the NM, the tertiary would have a probably useful life of between ten and fifteen years. [Speaker 1] (1:34:10 - 1:34:26) Um most of you know I still do the at the football games, and all the referees are amazed at how good a condition our field is in. It's in very c good condition. So I do anticipate we have a minimum of five more years before we need to replace that turf. [Speaker 3] (1:34:27 - 1:34:29) Wasn't there a fund set up [Speaker 3] (1:34:30 - 1:34:36) To put money in there each year so that when it comes time to replace it, [Speaker 3] (1:34:36 - 1:34:38) we don't have to find the money. [Speaker 1] (1:34:40 - 1:34:41) That's correct. [Speaker 3] (1:34:42 - 1:34:46) Where's the money coming from that's going into that fund? [Speaker 3] (1:34:46 - 1:34:49) Because we never see any of that in our annual. [Speaker 1] (1:34:49 - 1:34:51) It's coming in from user fees from the youth groups. [Speaker 3] (1:34:52 - 1:34:52) Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:34:53 - 1:34:55) And is it actually... [Speaker 9] (1:34:56 - 1:35:01) on target for replacing the field at the time that we think we'll need to? [Speaker 1] (1:35:01 - 1:35:05) No. And I think initially, I know you were on the board when we were discussing that, [Speaker 1] (1:35:05 - 1:35:19) I think the hope was to be able to fund fifty percent of the turf, because the only way we could really fund that is to really hit the user groups, the youth user groups with uh big fees, which we decided if we could get fifty percent of it, that would be great. [Speaker 3] (1:35:20 - 1:35:20) Yes. [Speaker 9] (1:35:20 - 1:35:25) So when we look out further um in our budget we'll have to account for that. [Speaker 1] (1:35:25 - 1:35:26) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:35:26 - 1:35:27) again. [Speaker 3] (1:35:28 - 1:35:39) But what about Stacy's brook? I mean it seems to be two options either an outfall or some UV treatment. What are the shouldn't that be part of the plan too as alternative just let them have a set for this particular? [Speaker 1] (1:35:39 - 1:35:41) I guess the answer is yes and no. [Speaker 1] (1:35:41 - 1:35:50) There's no way we'd either go forward with the UV or the outfall unless we got significant funding from the state or the feds. [Speaker 3] (1:35:50 - 1:35:58) Isn't that, that's the same with the school. From the school, from MSBA we're getting 40% funding, so I mean just to have it on the plan as a discussion point. [Speaker 1] (1:35:59 - 1:36:02) Yeah, I think by doing all this work we're doing right now, we're going to be able [Speaker 1] (1:36:03 - 1:36:09) making significant improvements to the swamps that's out of the outfall on King's Beach. [Speaker 1] (1:36:10 - 1:36:13) That's what the three point five million dollars is going towards. [Speaker 7] (1:36:15 - 1:36:16) Can I just [Speaker 1] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16) But [Speaker 7] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16) add to that? [Speaker 1] (1:36:16 - 1:36:17) to fix the pipes. [Speaker 7] (1:36:18 - 1:36:20) ClientBuilder's going to be before the board, [Speaker 7] (1:36:20 - 1:36:21) the select board, [Speaker 7] (1:36:21 - 1:36:26) hopefully next week, if not then the next meeting after that to talk about the results of last year's. [Speaker 7] (1:36:27 - 1:36:37) I think it would be prudent for us to think about in an out year or maybe even in the 10 year where it's socialized, we all know it exists, but we really, the number is even more cloudy than. [Speaker 7] (1:36:38 - 1:36:53) you know Ryan was talking about with our looking out into the cloudy abyss of asset management and everything. I, identifying what the right number would be is the real problem once we move anything beyond the five years for sure, even the out years and the five years is problematic. [Speaker 7] (1:36:54 - 1:37:05) So we can definitely look and see both with Kleinfelder's next steps what they are suggesting and then what we may want to do beyond the IDD stuff that we think is making a significant impact on [Speaker 7] (1:37:05 - 1:37:10) the swamp Scott side as well so we'll take that under advisement and make sure we get something in there. [Speaker 5] (1:37:12 - 1:37:24) So one just back one question on the turf fields just if you're done on that The user fees are these user fees from like the schools and stuff that otherwise would be going to the school Or is it like from X like third parties if they rented that type of thing? [Speaker 4] (1:37:25 - 1:37:27) See, I think it's like youth lacrosse and [Speaker 1] (1:37:27 - 1:37:28) Youth football. [Speaker 4] (1:37:28 - 1:37:28) soccer, [Speaker 4] (1:37:29 - 1:37:31) flag football is on that field. [Speaker 1] (1:37:31 - 1:37:31) Yep. [Speaker 4] (1:37:31 - 1:37:32) Um [Speaker 5] (1:37:32 - 1:37:36) So would these things, would those dollars otherwise go to the uh the school department [Speaker 1] (1:37:36 - 1:37:36) No. [Speaker 5] (1:37:36 - 1:37:36) or [Speaker 3] (1:37:36 - 1:37:36) No. [Speaker 1] (1:37:36 - 1:37:37) No. [Speaker 5] (1:37:37 - 1:37:37) no? [Speaker 1] (1:37:37 - 1:37:37) No. [Speaker 5] (1:37:37 - 1:37:38) Was there fees on that stuff [Speaker 8] (1:37:38 - 1:37:38) Fees [Speaker 5] (1:37:38 - 1:37:38) now? [Speaker 8] (1:37:38 - 1:37:39) don't go to the school [Speaker 1] (1:37:39 - 1:37:39) The [Speaker 8] (1:37:39 - 1:37:39) department. [Speaker 1] (1:37:39 - 1:37:42) high school user fees and middle school user fees go to the school. [Speaker 5] (1:37:42 - 1:37:42) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:37:42 - 1:37:43) Yep. [Speaker 5] (1:37:43 - 1:37:43) They're separate different. [Speaker 5] (1:37:43 - 1:37:44) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:37:44 - 1:37:45) We have sign groups. [Speaker 5] (1:37:45 - 1:37:47) They're outside groups. Okay, they're outside groups. I wasn't clear on that. Okay, [Speaker 5] (1:37:47 - 1:37:47) thank you. [Speaker 3] (1:37:48 - 1:37:49) You know, it's like a little, [Speaker 3] (1:37:49 - 1:37:50) it's got a little bit of a difference. [Speaker 1] (1:37:50 - 1:37:51) A chewed soccer, [Speaker 3] (1:37:51 - 1:37:51) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:37:51 - 1:37:53) used lacrosse, youth football. [Speaker 5] (1:37:53 - 1:37:55) Okay, that are not directly connected to the schools. [Speaker 5] (1:37:55 - 1:37:55) Okay, [Speaker 5] (1:37:55 - 1:37:55) okay, [Speaker 5] (1:37:55 - 1:37:56) thanks. [Speaker 3] (1:37:56 - 1:37:57) How much money's in that account? [Speaker 5] (1:37:58 - 1:37:58) Yeah, it's good. [Speaker 7] (1:37:58 - 1:38:02) Approximately between forty and fifty thousand dollars Patrick just said I texted him. [Speaker 3] (1:38:02 - 1:38:03) A million dollars coming up. [Speaker 5] (1:38:03 - 1:38:03) Correct. [Speaker 3] (1:38:03 - 1:38:04) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (1:38:04 - 1:38:11) I mean and that's not uncommon in any community. The thought when these were being installed was yes we'll collect a user fee and it will defray the cost, [Speaker 3] (1:38:12 - 1:38:12) That's [Speaker 7] (1:38:12 - 1:38:12) but [Speaker 3] (1:38:12 - 1:38:12) right. [Speaker 7] (1:38:12 - 1:38:16) in reality it where it's just another way to get back to the same taxpayer, [Speaker 5] (1:38:16 - 1:38:16) Right. [Speaker 7] (1:38:16 - 1:38:25) because it's a a almost always a user group from the community and we try to keep those fees as reasonable as possible to maintain and light and do the other things that we do there. [Speaker 1] (1:38:27 - 1:38:37) With some, that number's a little low because we gave youth soccer and youth lacrosse, we were cutting their fees in half because they funded the lights for the field. [Speaker 1] (1:38:37 - 1:38:39) So we made a deal with them that they, [Speaker 1] (1:38:39 - 1:38:46) 50% would come out, they would fund 50% of the lights, would come off the fees and the other 50% was a straight donation to us. [Speaker 6] (1:38:47 - 1:38:56) Just for the track, um does anybody know how many home track meets we've hosted in at Upper Jackson in the past five years? [Speaker 3] (1:38:56 - 1:38:58) I can't believe they didn't have any this year, for granted to you. [Speaker 5] (1:38:58 - 1:38:59) Zero this year, [Speaker 3] (1:38:59 - 1:38:59) Were [Speaker 5] (1:38:59 - 1:38:59) yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:38:59 - 1:39:00) they able to have [Speaker 1] (1:39:00 - 1:39:00) I think it's one [Speaker 6] (1:39:00 - 1:39:00) I [Speaker 1] (1:39:00 - 1:39:00) a year, [Speaker 6] (1:39:00 - 1:39:01) I understand [Speaker 1] (1:39:01 - 1:39:01) right? [Speaker 6] (1:39:01 - 1:39:01) that. Yes. [Speaker 1] (1:39:01 - 1:39:01) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:39:01 - 1:39:02) Yeah, so I think it was. [Speaker 9] (1:39:02 - 1:39:02) One a year. [Speaker 5] (1:39:03 - 1:39:05) No, it's five years, I think we had four. [Speaker 1] (1:39:05 - 1:39:06) Yeah, 'cause we [Speaker 5] (1:39:06 - 1:39:06) We [Speaker 1] (1:39:06 - 1:39:06) didn't [Speaker 5] (1:39:06 - 1:39:06) missed [Speaker 1] (1:39:06 - 1:39:06) have one this [Speaker 5] (1:39:06 - 1:39:08) one last year and we'll miss one this year, so. [Speaker 3] (1:39:08 - 1:39:09) Is it? [Speaker 6] (1:39:09 - 1:39:12) So we're gonna pay a hundred thousand dollars a year to host a track meet? [Speaker 1] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13) Well [Speaker 2] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13) I don't I don't think [Speaker 3] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13) What [Speaker 2] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14) that's [Speaker 3] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14) is one it, five a dollar? [Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14) I don't [Speaker 2] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13) What [Speaker 4] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14) that's [Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14) is it? [Speaker 4] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14) one I don't [Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14) I can't [Speaker 3] (1:39:14 - 1:39:15) The track. [Speaker 2] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15) write fast enough. [Speaker 3] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15) track. [Speaker 4] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15) I [Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:16) No, I understand, [Speaker 4] (1:39:16 - 1:39:16) but I don't I don't I don't [Speaker 1] (1:39:16 - 1:39:17) I understand [Speaker 4] (1:39:17 - 1:39:17) don't think [Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:17) that. [Speaker 4] (1:39:17 - 1:39:20) that's actually true either, you know. That that may be for the high school. [Speaker 1] (1:39:20 - 1:39:21) For the high school, [Speaker 4] (1:39:21 - 1:39:21) For the [Speaker 1] (1:39:21 - 1:39:21) yeah. [Speaker 4] (1:39:21 - 1:39:25) high school, but for the middle school, I I know the middle school hosts two, [Speaker 4] (1:39:25 - 1:39:28) three, four meets a year. [Speaker 3] (1:39:28 - 1:39:28) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (1:39:30 - 1:39:30) As well. [Speaker 1] (1:39:30 - 1:39:30) At [Speaker 4] (1:39:30 - 1:39:30) So [Speaker 1] (1:39:30 - 1:39:30) Jackson? [Speaker 4] (1:39:30 - 1:39:31) yes. [Speaker 1] (1:39:31 - 1:39:31) Okay. [Speaker 5] (1:39:31 - 1:39:36) And the unified track team too, don't they host meets? Or events? [Speaker 6] (1:39:36 - 1:39:38) Yeah, I thought I just stood up there many times. [Speaker 1] (1:39:38 - 1:39:38) Yep. [Speaker 5] (1:39:38 - 1:39:40) It's not just one person. [Speaker 1] (1:39:41 - 1:39:41) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:39:41 - 1:39:41) That's good. [Speaker 4] (1:39:42 - 1:39:42) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:39:42 - 1:39:42) Also [Speaker 7] (1:39:43 - 1:39:53) It's not just the track isn't just used as a track. So there's a soccer field up there also. So I've been up there for soccer games. You soccer's using it and, uh you know, even the school uses it. We [Speaker 8] (1:39:53 - 1:39:53) The elementary [Speaker 7] (1:39:53 - 1:39:53) use the [Speaker 8] (1:39:53 - 1:39:54) school uses it [Speaker 7] (1:39:54 - 1:39:54) elementary [Speaker 8] (1:39:54 - 1:39:54) now. [Speaker 7] (1:39:54 - 1:39:55) school uses it [Speaker 8] (1:39:55 - 1:39:56) Citizens use it. [Speaker 7] (1:39:56 - 1:39:57) for the turkey track this [Speaker 8] (1:39:57 - 1:39:57) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (1:39:57 - 1:39:58) weekend. [Speaker 8] (1:39:58 - 1:39:59) At the track. [Speaker 6] (1:39:59 - 1:39:59) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:40:00 - 1:40:00) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:40:00 - 1:40:01) A lot of people would just go and walk. [Speaker 7] (1:40:01 - 1:40:02) And walk it, yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:40:02 - 1:40:02) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:40:05 - 1:40:09) And and for the vacuum truck, how many hours a year do we operate the current equipment? [Speaker 9] (1:40:11 - 1:40:13) Well, the current equipment mean in the sewage era, [Speaker 9] (1:40:14 - 1:40:14) because Yeah, we don't [Speaker 1] (1:40:14 - 1:40:14) but whatever [Speaker 9] (1:40:14 - 1:40:14) have a we vacuum [Speaker 1] (1:40:14 - 1:40:15) clean [Speaker 9] (1:40:15 - 1:40:15) truck. [Speaker 1] (1:40:15 - 1:40:17) that thing with what what do we clean with it? Sewer grates? [Speaker 9] (1:40:18 - 1:40:19) Yes, oh. [Speaker 1] (1:40:19 - 1:40:19) Okay. [Speaker 9] (1:40:19 - 1:40:21) It's so the old truck, it's pro [Speaker 1] (1:40:21 - 1:40:21) Right. [Speaker 9] (1:40:21 - 1:40:24) I was wise, but it's out for [Speaker 6] (1:40:25 - 1:40:26) You can get that together. [Speaker 1] (1:40:26 - 1:40:35) It's just it's just the rent versus buy question that we ask about everything, right? It's like how how how much utilisation are we gonna get from this asset? Is it gonna be like the shovel thing that sits in the [Speaker 1] (1:40:35 - 1:40:43) parking lot for 355 days a year, or is it gonna get used every week to 'cause we're cleaning grates every week, I just don't understand how much utilization. [Speaker 9] (1:40:43 - 1:40:48) Well it's a manpower issue too. It won't be used every week, but it'll be used in a quite way more than we're using the current one. [Speaker 1] (1:40:48 - 1:40:49) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:40:52 - 1:40:57) I just want to reiterate to just go back and re-evaluate our vulnerability to the force main. [Speaker 9] (1:40:58 - 1:40:58) Yep. [Speaker 8] (1:40:59 - 1:40:59) Just a final. [Speaker 9] (1:41:00 - 1:41:02) You wanna get that? Yep. [Speaker 5] (1:41:05 - 1:41:05) Still have [Speaker 7] (1:41:05 - 1:41:06) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:41:06 - 1:41:06) more of the [Speaker 8] (1:41:06 - 1:41:06) It's [Speaker 5] (1:41:06 - 1:41:07) old [Speaker 8] (1:41:07 - 1:41:07) cool. [Speaker 5] (1:41:07 - 1:41:07) remote, yeah, so [Speaker 9] (1:41:09 - 1:41:09) Thank you. [Speaker 5] (1:41:09 - 1:41:10) That I think we'll move on from. [Speaker 1] (1:41:11 - 1:41:12) Okay, thanks Gina. [Speaker 8] (1:41:12 - 1:41:13) Thank you, Gina. [Speaker 9] (1:41:13 - 1:41:16) Can we go to the technology slides for capital? [Speaker 9] (1:41:21 - 1:41:21) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:41:24 - 1:41:26) Change plan to reflect those. [Speaker 1] (1:41:27 - 1:41:30) Um so I think we we need to [Speaker 1] (1:41:30 - 1:41:37) On a tactical level, we need to we need to clean up the the paperwork for less lack of a better term, right? We've had a lot of transitions in town hall. [Speaker 4] (1:41:38 - 1:41:43) Next time I'm gonna be, you know, Upper Creek because I have to actually [Speaker 1] (1:41:44 - 1:41:55) have it upgraded my in my department or something like that and now I don't have anywhere to go. And now we're trying to race through leasing, you know, the the the mobile school set-ups and the other things. [Speaker 7] (1:41:55 - 1:41:55) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 10] (1:41:55 - 1:42:02) Or you know, I'm not even sure what it means for the library, but if you think about uh marblehead when they when everlet went offline [Speaker 7] (1:42:02 - 1:42:02) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 10] (1:42:02 - 1:42:06) that became sort of that same swing space and [Speaker 6] (1:42:06 - 1:42:06) They [Speaker 10] (1:42:06 - 1:42:06) i and [Speaker 6] (1:42:06 - 1:42:07) shut it, right? [Speaker 7] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07) Yeah. [Speaker 10] (1:42:07 - 1:42:10) uh no, it became a library for a while. [Speaker 1] (1:42:10 - 1:42:10) Okay. [Speaker 10] (1:42:10 - 1:42:15) I don't know what the use is now, but it was that sort of swing space. [Speaker 8] (1:42:16 - 1:42:24) Well, I think it's important to note too that to your point, Jared, um the recreation department has been without a home for a long time. [Speaker 9] (1:42:24 - 1:42:24) Hmm. [Speaker 8] (1:42:24 - 1:42:43) And and as well the senior centre has been we've heard constant concerns about bursting at the seams here in terms of programming and what they can allow. So this this opportunity to utilise Clark as we're doing right now um will be very telling to see if it can sustain what what's currently happening there and whether or not [Speaker 8] (1:42:43 - 1:42:50) that fits into what we want it to be long-term, right? So I think this exercise is a very valuable one. [Speaker 8] (1:42:51 - 1:43:09) You know, we've already seen the rec department and the liaison to the rec commission put forth, I mean, no fewer than 20 different programs for just the month of December that are really gaining traction in terms of, you know, they were offering things at locations such as Mexicali Grill. [Speaker 8] (1:43:09 - 1:43:25) or having to utilise restaurants around town because they didn't have dedicated space. So um this they now have that. So to see if they can actually capitalise on that is a is a very interesting um experiment and I think it'll help us really understand what we can do long term. [Speaker 8] (1:43:25 - 1:43:26) So [Speaker 8] (1:43:26 - 1:43:36) And to Daniel's point, the senior centre is just constantly saying they're busting at the seams, they're busting at the seams, there's not enough. I and I don't know how much space they're taking up over there, but I'm sure that they're [Speaker 8] (1:43:37 - 1:43:40) They're probably working hard with Charlotte trying to get as Mm much [Speaker 7] (1:43:40 - 1:43:40) -hmm. [Speaker 8] (1:43:40 - 1:43:41) space as they can. [Speaker 7] (1:43:41 - 1:43:41) Mm. [Speaker 8] (1:43:42 - 1:43:54) So it really does take that that thought process that you said of town departments that need the overflow space. That's really these are two very valuable town departments that we're utilizing Clark for at this point. So [Speaker 11] (1:43:54 - 1:43:57) I'd like to speak to two of the options we haven't addressed, [Speaker 11] (1:43:57 - 1:44:00) the affordable housing and the swing space during the housing. [Speaker 11] (1:44:01 - 1:44:12) building renovations. I imagine that to convert a school into a residential facility is going to be beyond our means. [Speaker 11] (1:44:13 - 1:44:17) So I don't know if that's even realistic to consider, [Speaker 11] (1:44:17 - 1:44:19) just putting that [Speaker 8] (1:44:19 - 1:44:20) I out have the same feeling myself. [Speaker 7] (1:44:20 - 1:44:24) I think when it was originally presented to give the authors sort of their due, [Speaker 7] (1:44:24 - 1:44:26) it was that they would become, [Speaker 7] (1:44:26 - 1:44:31) they would start as swing states, they would be renovations and then they would become permanent after. [Speaker 7] (1:44:31 - 1:44:33) So it wouldn't be all for naught. [Speaker 7] (1:44:33 - 1:44:35) It would be, I mean, David, correct me if I'm wrong, [Speaker 7] (1:44:35 - 1:44:36) from the housing authorities position, [Speaker 7] (1:44:36 - 1:44:39) I thought that the idea was, yes, [Speaker 7] (1:44:39 - 1:44:42) there would be some capital investment to create the space. [Speaker 7] (1:44:42 - 1:44:44) space folks would move out of their current space [Speaker 8] (1:44:44 - 1:44:44) And [Speaker 7] (1:44:44 - 1:44:44) and [Speaker 8] (1:44:44 - 1:44:44) then [Speaker 7] (1:44:44 - 1:44:48) then we would have more housing online so after [Speaker 11] (1:44:48 - 1:44:53) And then the state would be assisting us with the funding there? [Speaker 11] (1:44:54 - 1:44:56) of creating new affordable housing. [Speaker 9] (1:44:56 - 1:44:57) What a [Speaker 10] (1:44:57 - 1:44:57) I [Speaker 9] (1:44:57 - 1:44:57) developer. [Speaker 10] (1:44:57 - 1:44:57) don't think [Speaker 8] (1:44:57 - 1:44:58) That's what that the flame [Speaker 10] (1:44:58 - 1:44:58) would, [Speaker 8] (1:44:58 - 1:44:58) was, [Speaker 7] (1:44:58 - 1:44:59) we didn't [Speaker 8] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59) and I'm [Speaker 7] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59) really get [Speaker 8] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59) not [Speaker 7] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59) that [Speaker 8] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59) sure [Speaker 7] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59) far [Speaker 8] (1:44:59 - 1:45:03) that that's been very well vetted, right? I think that's the claim or [Speaker 11] (1:45:03 - 1:45:03) I [Speaker 8] (1:45:03 - 1:45:04) the thought [Speaker 11] (1:45:04 - 1:45:04) mean I [Speaker 8] (1:45:04 - 1:45:04) process. [Speaker 11] (1:45:04 - 1:45:16) certainly would love to see affordable housing for much more and maybe we could even get to our 10% and that would be fabulous but it's hard to imagine that we would just do it ourselves we'd need help from the state. [Speaker 7] (1:45:16 - 1:45:20) I mean we've had very good relationships like with Sean like [Speaker 7] (1:45:20 - 1:45:22) Like you said, with Bene Breath and [Speaker 8] (1:45:22 - 1:45:22) Sure [Speaker 7] (1:45:22 - 1:45:24) as a partner and Pine Street, [Speaker 7] (1:45:24 - 1:45:25) which is coming online, [Speaker 7] (1:45:25 - 1:45:45) so I would assume a similar project could go out for RFP for Clark and Swampscott has had success in that regard in taking schools offline and creating affordable housing and I think so long as we remain a good partner that that would be possible if that was something that we were interested in doing. [Speaker 11] (1:45:48 - 1:45:55) It's just these other things we could potentially do sh shorter term and more quickly, and that would be a much bigger project. [Speaker 10] (1:45:55 - 1:45:55) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 7] (1:45:55 - 1:45:55) Yep. [Speaker 8] (1:45:57 - 1:45:58) And really, [Speaker 8] (1:45:58 - 1:46:08) you know, one of the other options on the table was the school department potentially having to go outside and, you know, solicit other people to come in and rent the space, [Speaker 8] (1:46:08 - 1:46:08) right? [Speaker 8] (1:46:09 - 1:46:10) So that was a consideration. [Speaker 8] (1:46:10 - 1:46:14) And to me, what better people to utilize this space than the people in this community, [Speaker 8] (1:46:14 - 1:46:15) right? [Speaker 8] (1:46:15 - 1:46:19) So, and that was my personal thought process around, [Speaker 8] (1:46:19 - 1:46:25) you know, letting recreation and the senior center overflow kind of take over that building because I'd much rather see. [Speaker 8] (1:46:25 - 1:46:30) Swamp Scott residents putting it to valuable use than having to go outside right that [Speaker 10] (1:46:30 - 1:46:30) But [Speaker 8] (1:46:30 - 1:46:30) was [Speaker 10] (1:46:30 - 1:46:30) Danielle, [Speaker 8] (1:46:30 - 1:46:31) right [Speaker 10] (1:46:31 - 1:46:32) to your point, [Speaker 10] (1:46:32 - 1:46:37) I would argue that the schools don't have the bandwidth, [Speaker 10] (1:46:37 - 1:46:38) the expertise, [Speaker 10] (1:46:38 - 1:46:40) anything to be, [Speaker 10] (1:46:40 - 1:46:42) you know, landlords. [Speaker 8] (1:46:43 - 1:46:43) absolutely [Speaker 10] (1:46:43 - 1:46:48) So, you know, I guess my question is, how do we get this off our books? [Speaker 7] (1:46:50 - 1:46:51) I think you vote [Speaker 10] (1:46:51 - 1:46:51) Mm. [Speaker 7] (1:46:51 - 1:46:52) to give it to the town. [Speaker 6] (1:46:52 - 1:46:53) Vote to give it to the town. [Speaker 7] (1:46:53 - 1:46:57) I think that's how these prior buildings have come to Yeah, us. So I [Speaker 10] (1:46:57 - 1:46:57) I [Speaker 7] (1:46:57 - 1:46:57) think [Speaker 10] (1:46:57 - 1:46:57) think [Speaker 7] (1:46:57 - 1:46:57) that's [Speaker 10] (1:46:57 - 1:46:57) you have. [Speaker 7] (1:46:57 - 1:46:59) if that's the direction that [Speaker 6] (1:46:59 - 1:46:59) First year [Speaker 7] (1:46:59 - 1:47:00) schools [Speaker 6] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00) releases. [Speaker 7] (1:47:00 - 1:47:02) would like to go in, that would probably be next steps, [Speaker 7] (1:47:02 - 1:47:06) and then that would facilitate um a larger conversation about short [Speaker 8] (1:47:06 - 1:47:06) Long [Speaker 7] (1:47:06 - 1:47:06) term [Speaker 8] (1:47:06 - 1:47:06) -term [Speaker 7] (1:47:06 - 1:47:06) lease, [Speaker 8] (1:47:06 - 1:47:06) use. [Speaker 7] (1:47:07 - 1:47:08) yeah, long term use, [Speaker 6] (1:47:08 - 1:47:08) That is. [Speaker 7] (1:47:08 - 1:47:10) this being just the beginning of that. [Speaker 6] (1:47:10 - 1:47:10) Yep. [Speaker 7] (1:47:12 - 1:47:13) So, I'm [Speaker 8] (1:47:13 - 1:47:14) Interesting. [Speaker 7] (1:47:15 - 1:47:19) sure that since we've started this conversation in a much more public forum, we will [Speaker 7] (1:47:19 - 1:47:21) get far more intrigue and [Speaker 9] (1:47:21 - 1:47:21) Sure. [Speaker 7] (1:47:21 - 1:47:22) hopefully more [Speaker 5] (1:47:22 - 1:47:22) I [Speaker 7] (1:47:22 - 1:47:26) ideas to add to the list, but this is just what has come up thus far, so [Speaker 6] (1:47:26 - 1:47:26) Mm. [Speaker 7] (1:47:26 - 1:47:27) um [Speaker 5] (1:47:28 - 1:47:44) I know there's there's funding for school renovations, but is there state funding for you know what we're doing with Clark? I mean is there other sources of funds to build sort of recreation community centres? [Speaker 8] (1:47:45 - 1:47:46) It's a great question. [Speaker 8] (1:47:47 - 1:47:47) That's another. [Speaker 7] (1:47:47 - 1:47:53) I don't, I have not heard of that in all the CLC meetings that hasn't come up. [Speaker 7] (1:47:54 - 1:47:57) There is, through the feasibility study, [Speaker 7] (1:47:57 - 1:48:02) we can probably find out through the folks that, you know, they've been working with if that's the case. [Speaker 7] (1:48:02 - 1:48:08) I would have thought they would have led with that foot if they had it because that's obviously the biggest hurdle is funding, [Speaker 7] (1:48:08 - 1:48:09) right? [Speaker 7] (1:48:11 - 1:48:11) So, [Speaker 10] (1:48:11 - 1:48:11) I [Speaker 7] (1:48:11 - 1:48:12) but I'll find out. [Speaker 10] (1:48:12 - 1:48:16) do think the one thing to consider depending on the use would be CPA funding as well. [Speaker 7] (1:48:16 - 1:48:16) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (1:48:17 - 1:48:17) Right. [Speaker 10] (1:48:17 - 1:48:19) It's affordable housing and recreation are two of the options. [Speaker 7] (1:48:23 - 1:48:23) Great point. [Speaker 11] (1:48:24 - 1:48:28) Anybody know when the CPA committee is going to be meeting? [Speaker 8] (1:48:28 - 1:48:29) It's been seated. [Speaker 7] (1:48:29 - 1:48:33) It's been seated and I think they are meeting, I think Diane, [Speaker 10] (1:48:33 - 1:48:33) The dog [Speaker 7] (1:48:33 - 1:48:34) go [Speaker 10] (1:48:34 - 1:48:34) is gone. [Speaker 7] (1:48:34 - 1:48:34) ahead, Diane. [Speaker 8] (1:48:34 - 1:48:36) I'm working on getting a date. [Speaker 11] (1:48:36 - 1:48:36) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:48:36 - 1:48:38) Hopefully in the next two or three weeks. [Speaker 11] (1:48:38 - 1:48:38) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:48:39 - 1:48:39) Hopefully soon. [Speaker 11] (1:48:40 - 1:48:41) Thanks. [Speaker 7] (1:48:45 - 1:48:46) Okay. [Speaker 7] (1:48:47 - 1:48:49) Anybody have any additional comments? We're good there. [Speaker 7] (1:48:51 - 1:48:51) We're good there. [Speaker 7] (1:48:52 - 1:48:54) All right. Well, [Speaker 7] (1:48:54 - 1:49:06) we will table the last discussion item to the next meeting and we, uh the hope was for the next meeting for us to talk about broad uh our policies and, you know, if we need to s [Speaker 7] (1:49:06 - 1:49:09) you know, keep them, modify them, change change them in any way. [Speaker 2] (1:49:17 - 1:49:18) Hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:49:18 - 1:49:18) Um but [Speaker 1] (1:49:19 - 1:49:21) Thank you guys very much. [Speaker 3] (1:49:21 - 1:49:25) Yeah. So thanks to everyone in the uh administration who put together all the materials for today. [Speaker 3] (1:49:25 - 1:49:34) Really really good discussion hopefully first of many to come. And I d I do wanna personally say how grateful I am that we sat through two hours of meetings about capital projects and I did not hear the word peer. [Speaker 1] (1:49:36 - 1:49:40) I um I almost said it Ryan too, and I was like, you know what? Give it a rest. [Speaker 4] (1:49:41 - 1:49:41) You're pretty good. [Speaker 1] (1:49:41 - 1:49:42) At peer. [Speaker 4] (1:49:42 - 1:49:42) You said peer. [Speaker 5] (1:49:42 - 1:49:42) Oh. [Speaker 4] (1:49:42 - 1:49:42) Oh, [Speaker 3] (1:49:42 - 1:49:42) No. [Speaker 4] (1:49:42 - 1:49:43) It's a peer. [Speaker 1] (1:49:44 - 1:49:45) Yeah, the peer. [Speaker 5] (1:49:45 - 1:49:45) This [Speaker 6] (1:49:46 - 1:49:47) Do you always end up in a meeting with him? [Speaker 3] (1:49:47 - 1:49:48) Do Oh, we do we [Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48) okay. [Speaker 3] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48) need to [Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48) So [Speaker 3] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48) adjourn? [Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:50) we opened our meeting, so the [Speaker 6] (1:49:50 - 1:49:50) Usually. [Speaker 1] (1:49:50 - 1:49:52) select board I will take a motion to adjourn. [Speaker 7] (1:49:52 - 1:49:53) Motion to Second. adjourn. [Speaker 3] (1:49:53 - 1:49:53) Second. [Speaker 1] (1:49:53 - 1:49:54) Thank you. [Speaker 6] (1:49:55 - 1:49:56) Then comes motion to adjourn. [Speaker 1] (1:49:56 - 1:49:57) Oh, is Doug still on? [Speaker 7] (1:49:57 - 1:49:57) Second. [Speaker 8] (1:49:58 - 1:49:58) Second. [Speaker 7] (1:49:59 - 1:50:00) Yeah, he's still there. [Speaker 6] (1:50:00 - 1:50:00) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:50:00 - 1:50:01) Aye aye. [Speaker 1] (1:50:02 - 1:50:04) I don't think, capital you opened your meeting, did you? [Speaker 3] (1:50:04 - 1:50:04) Okay, [Speaker 1] (1:50:04 - 1:50:05) Okay, I think you're good. [Speaker 3] (1:50:05 - 1:50:05) yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:50:05 - 1:50:05) Um [Speaker 8] (1:50:06 - 1:50:07) We never opened [Speaker 1] (1:50:07 - 1:50:07) we [Speaker 8] (1:50:07 - 1:50:07) it. [Speaker 1] (1:50:07 - 1:50:08) never opened. Okay, you're good. [Speaker 7] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09) Thank you, [Speaker 1] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09) Alright, [Speaker 7] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09) everybody. [Speaker 1] (1:50:09 - 1:50:11) thank you everyone. Appreciate it. [Speaker 3] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11) Awesome. [Speaker 1] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11) Alright.