[Speaker 1] (6:18 - 6:19)
Are the boys ready?

[Speaker 2] (6:19 - 6:19)
No.

[Speaker 2] (6:19 - 6:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (6:20 - 6:21)
Everybody looks ready.

[Speaker 3] (6:22 - 6:24)
Okay, thank you very much for joining us on Wednesday,

[Speaker 3] (6:24 - 6:27)
December 17th for the Select Board meeting. We are being recorded,

[Speaker 3] (6:27 - 6:29)
and if you could rise for the Pledge We of Allegiance.

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have sliders tonight.

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I pledge allegiance to

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to

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the flag

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the flag of

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of

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the

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the United States

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States of America,

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of America

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and

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and to

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to the

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the

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Republic

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Republic

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for

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for

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which

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which

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it

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it

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stands,

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stands,

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one

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one

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nation

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nation

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under

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under God,

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God,

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indivisible,

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indivisible,

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with liberty

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with liberty

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and

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and

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justice

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justice for all. for all.

[Speaker 3] (6:45 - 6:46)
Would you?

[Speaker 4] (6:47 - 6:48)
Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (6:48 - 6:48)
Oh, sorry,

[Speaker 4] (6:48 - 6:48)
No.

[Speaker 1] (6:48 - 6:49)
my last name is better.

[Speaker 1] (6:49 - 6:51)
Okay, it's like you need some new decos next year.

[Speaker 3] (6:51 - 6:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (6:52 - 6:52)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (6:52 - 6:58)
Before we get started, I'll just pass the microphone over to David just to say why we're in our festive holiday wear.

[Speaker 4] (6:58 - 7:00)
No, we're in our festive holiday wear.

[Speaker 4] (7:00 - 7:09)
We started this tradition back in 2020 just in memory of our former colleague and friend,

[Speaker 4] (7:09 - 7:10)
Don Haas.

[Speaker 4] (7:10 - 7:19)
This was a this was a holiday that was near and dear to him and he loved to to spread joy and loved to to make folks laugh.

[Speaker 3] (7:19 - 7:19)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 4] (7:19 - 7:32)
So this is year six and hopefully year six of of you know it's six more years of of making folks smile and bringing people and bringing joy to to the faces of all those joining us online in the room. So thank you.

[Speaker 3] (7:32 - 7:33)
Thank you David.

[Speaker 3] (7:33 - 7:36)
Diane would you mind muting one of our participants?

[Speaker 3] (7:38 - 7:38)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (7:39 - 7:45)
we will start with the recognition of our retiring fire captain, Joseph Malik.

[Speaker 3] (7:46 - 7:47)
Chief's here.

[Speaker 3] (7:49 - 7:49)
There he is.

[Speaker 3] (7:51 - 7:52)
We've started,

[Speaker 3] (7:52 - 7:52)
Chief,

[Speaker 3] (7:52 - 7:54)
so we're ready for you if you are.

[Speaker 3] (7:54 - 7:55)
Come on up.

[Speaker 3] (7:57 - 7:58)
No,

[Speaker 3] (7:58 - 7:58)
you're not.

[Speaker 3] (7:58 - 7:59)
You didn't.

[Speaker 5] (8:03 - 8:03)
Good evening.

[Speaker 3] (8:03 - 8:04)
Good evening.

[Speaker 5] (8:04 - 8:18)
Um we're here to acknowledge uh Captain Joe Gambale. Uh he's uh retiring from the Swanskett Fire Department. Uh you can see his his crew back there with him. Um they're

[Speaker 5] (8:19 - 8:29)
they're they're quite emotional uh around the fire station these days about Joe leaving. Uh and we we miss everyone that we work with for years when they move on, but this is this is a very special

[Speaker 5] (8:30 - 8:45)
Uh this is a very special loss for us and it's gonna be it's gonna be a very difficult one to replace. Um I af you have a few notes about Joe just briefly. Joe was raised in Swampscott and attended Swampscott schools. He was hired as a Swampscott firefighter on January third nineteen ninety seven.

[Speaker 5] (8:46 - 8:52)
Prior to beginning his career in public safety, he spent many years working as a commercial fisherman in Swampscott.

[Speaker 5] (8:53 - 8:56)
Joe arrived with an unmatched knowledge.

[Speaker 5] (8:57 - 9:05)
around the waters around the area and a unique set of skills that I do not believe any of us fully appreciated when he was a new firefighter.

[Speaker 5] (9:06 - 9:15)
The depth of his experience and insight will be revealed were to be revealed over many years and thousands of responses to calls for service.

[Speaker 5] (9:16 - 9:19)
When new firefighters attend the Massachusetts Firefighting Academy,

[Speaker 5] (9:20 - 9:23)
one important skill that is taught is not tying.

[Speaker 5] (9:24 - 9:32)
By the time Cadet Gambale graduated with his long experience working in the waters off of our coast and tending his fishing gear,

[Speaker 5] (9:32 - 9:35)
he left the instructors with as many knot-tying tips as they had taught him.

[Speaker 5] (9:36 - 9:39)
Joe was promoted to lieutenant in August of 2014.

[Speaker 5] (9:40 - 9:46)
Right away he threw himself into his new role and the added responsibilities it carried in his own unique way.

[Speaker 5] (9:48 - 9:59)
All firefighters have as part of their kit a binder of information on certain properties in town and streets. You may have noticed, a lot of roads that are

[Speaker 1] (10:21 - 10:48)
Um, Joe's Binder quickly became the go-to source for inf information on sprinkler systems or alarm systems or detailed drawings and floor floor plans for the informative maps and some of Swampscott's c of Swamp Swampscott's confusingly numbered and hard to navigate streets, complete with little humorous drawings as memory aids. Other officers soon began to ask if they could copy pages from Joe's Binder, myself included.

[Speaker 1] (10:49 - 10:55)
By April 2018 when Joe was promoted to the rank of captain, it seemed a natural evolution.

[Speaker 1] (10:55 - 11:02)
He was already deeply respected for his knowledge and problem solving ability and many younger firefighters were eager to serve on his shift.

[Speaker 1] (11:03 - 11:07)
Joe is retiring on January 1st, 2027, sorry,

[Speaker 1] (11:07 - 11:10)
after serving the town for 29 years.

[Speaker 1] (11:10 - 11:12)
If he were, I'm sorry, 2026, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (11:12 - 11:13)
Yeah, I was

[Speaker 1] (11:13 - 11:14)
Served the town for 29 years.

[Speaker 2] (11:14 - 11:15)
pretty early.

[Speaker 3] (11:15 - 11:15)
We're...

[Speaker 1] (11:16 - 11:18)
Yeah, 2026, excuse me.

[Speaker 1] (11:19 - 11:23)
If he were allowed, he'd absolutely stay on longer. He's not ready to go.

[Speaker 1] (11:23 - 11:28)
It's always a significant loss of experience when a firefighter with so many years leaves us.

[Speaker 1] (11:28 - 11:32)
In this case it would be, it will be a particularly deep one.

[Speaker 1] (11:33 - 11:41)
Although he has been dedicating more time over the past couple of years to pass on what he has learned to a whole new generation of firefighters who have sprung up around him,

[Speaker 1] (11:41 - 11:43)
he is the, he is

[Speaker 1] (11:43 - 11:48)
Uh the one where there is one area excuse me where Joe will fail.

[Speaker 1] (11:48 - 12:08)
He will they will learn a lot and will benefit, but there is no escaping the fact that Joe b when Joe's packing up, he'll be packing up more than just clothes and photos from his locker at the end of this month. He'll be leaving us he will he will be leaving with an insight the entire department will have to work hard to replace for years to come.

[Speaker 1] (12:09 - 12:10)
Joe.

[Speaker 4] (12:21 - 12:23)
So on behalf of the Select Board,

[Speaker 4] (12:23 - 12:30)
I have an official citation of appreciation in recognition of your 29 years of dedicated service to our town,

[Speaker 4] (12:30 - 12:33)
and that is presented to Captain Joe Gambale tonight.

[Speaker 4] (12:33 - 12:35)
Thank you very much, Captain Gambale.

[Speaker 1] (12:51 - 12:52)
is Yep.

[Speaker 4] (12:52 - 12:54)
the harbour where you spend time I before

[Speaker 1] (12:54 - 12:54)
did.

[Speaker 4] (12:54 - 12:56)
us and hopefully you'll spend a lot of time after us.

[Speaker 1] (12:56 - 12:57)
I will. I can tell you will.

[Speaker 4] (12:57 - 12:58)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (12:59 - 12:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (12:59 - 13:00)
See you guys later.

[Speaker 6] (13:25 - 13:26)
You want to say something?

[Speaker 4] (13:27 - 13:29)
Captain Cavalli, would you like to say something?

[Speaker 4] (13:29 - 13:32)
I don't know if you're a man of few words or many.

[Speaker 7] (13:32 - 13:33)
I would like Graham to say a little something.

[Speaker 4] (13:33 - 13:35)
Alright, let Graham do that. You come on up here and uh

[Speaker 1] (13:35 - 13:42)
I would like just to say what an honor and a privilege it has been working with the guys that I have worked with for 30 years,

[Speaker 1] (13:42 - 13:45)
and I'll miss them terribly.

[Speaker 4] (13:47 - 13:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (13:59 - 14:07)
So say, we are in debt to the family of Captain Bai also who has allowed him to serve our town for 30 years.

[Speaker 4] (14:07 - 14:08)
So thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (14:09 - 14:19)
All right, we will move on to the presentation of the citations of appreciation for girl scout troop 72182 for the completion of their silver award,

[Speaker 4] (14:19 - 14:21)
Nature for All.

[Speaker 4] (14:22 - 14:26)
Would you folks like to pop up to the mic?

[Speaker 4] (14:27 - 14:27)
Please?

[Speaker 4] (14:31 - 14:32)
Don't be shy.

[Speaker 4] (14:34 - 14:37)
Why don't you introduce yourself and then you could tell us about your project.

[Speaker 4] (14:42 - 14:45)
Do you want a rock, paper, scissors? You go.

[Speaker 8] (14:47 - 14:47)
Okay. So

[Speaker 8] (14:48 - 14:51)
Do I just? Okay. So I'm Amelia Creehan.

[Speaker 8] (14:52 - 14:53)
I'm Audrey oh, I'm Audrey Hale.

[Speaker 9] (14:54 - 14:55)
I'm Téa O'Donohue.

[Speaker 8] (14:57 - 14:57)
Oh.

[Speaker 9] (14:57 - 14:58)
So

[Speaker 9] (14:58 - 15:05)
Um so our project was to do a silver award and we chose to do it on a nature box.

[Speaker 8] (15:06 - 15:19)
Oh my gosh. Um and we also put like plants and like inside we put like information cards and plants and stuff to like help students like learn about like the outdoors.

[Speaker 8] (15:21 - 15:22)
Oh shit.

[Speaker 8] (15:22 - 15:29)
So like these, so like there's like bingo sheets and informational cards on like tracks and other stuff. And

[Speaker 9] (15:31 - 15:31)
Oh.

[Speaker 8] (15:31 - 15:32)
It's going.

[Speaker 4] (15:35 - 15:37)
Oh yeah, where where are these items put?

[Speaker 9] (15:37 - 15:43)
Oh um it's like in Ewing Woods like right behind the elementary school on like the kiosk.

[Speaker 9] (15:48 - 16:07)
Parts of our project was to plant gardens in front of the new elementary school. So we we did we we did weeding and we planted new native plants and we also made a bunch of signs about butterflies. We did them on monarchs, painted ladies and the eastern black swallowtails.

[Speaker 8] (16:09 - 16:20)
And inside our nature box, we put like a Q_R_ code so that for iNaturalist, so people can learn about like wildlife and like identify species and like tracks and plants and stuff.

[Speaker 8] (16:22 - 16:49)
Yeah, so like as we said uh there's a nature box in Ewing Woods we put on the kiosk at the entrance and so it just has like little fun activities that people can grab and do as they're like walking through the woods and they also have like plants in them so that you can like take them home and like put them in your garden and so you can just like grow them and so we put in new plants like every month and then in the winter we put in seed packets.

[Speaker 9] (16:51 - 16:51)
Yeah

[Speaker 4] (16:53 - 16:54)
Well, that sounds fantastic.

[Speaker 10] (16:54 - 16:55)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (16:55 - 16:56)
Thank you very much, girls.

[Speaker 4] (16:57 - 17:02)
Um and would you um care to tell us how long this project took?

[Speaker 9] (17:03 - 17:11)
We've been doing it since like July I think and we ended in like late September.

[Speaker 4] (17:11 - 17:15)
Okay. And then now that you've completed your silver award, what's next?

[Speaker 10] (17:16 - 17:16)
Gold.

[Speaker 4] (17:17 - 17:18)
Gold award.

[Speaker 11] (17:18 - 17:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (17:18 - 17:21)
And what does that normally entail? Do you know?

[Speaker 11] (17:21 - 17:22)
A lot.

[Speaker 4] (17:23 - 17:24)
Am I putting you on the spot?

[Speaker 8] (17:25 - 17:40)
So like it's like a lot more effort and like with the silver award we can do it like as a group but with the gold award we each have to do one separately and it also involves like a lot more effort with like more hours to put in and more time and thought into it.

[Speaker 8] (17:41 - 17:42)
But yeah we hope to get it.

[Speaker 4] (17:42 - 17:45)
That's awesome. Does anybody else have any questions?

[Speaker 12] (17:45 - 17:47)
Hope? You don't hope you're gonna get an A.

[Speaker 12] (17:47 - 17:47)
You're

[Speaker 4] (17:47 - 17:47)
Ha,

[Speaker 12] (17:47 - 17:55)
gonna get ha, ha. an A. All three of you will. I know it. So I'm going to so was it easy working together to make this project?

[Speaker 12] (17:56 - 17:58)
Because we've we've seen you before,

[Speaker 12] (17:58 - 17:58)
right?

[Speaker 12] (17:59 - 18:00)
This crew.

[Speaker 9] (18:01 - 18:02)
Um yeah,

[Speaker 9] (18:02 - 18:06)
it was easy and we also get along really well so it's easy to like build teamwork.

[Speaker 12] (18:07 - 18:10)
Now moving to the Gold Award, you have to do Gold Awards separately?

[Speaker 12] (18:11 - 18:12)
You can't do anything together?

[Speaker 13] (18:12 - 18:16)
No, and it's a lot more hours too, so it's like a lot more individual time.

[Speaker 12] (18:17 - 18:19)
But you are gonna go for the gold award,

[Speaker 12] (18:19 - 18:20)
right?

[Speaker 13] (18:20 - 18:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (18:20 - 18:21)
Alright.

[Speaker 12] (18:22 - 18:22)
Good.

[Speaker 4] (18:23 - 18:28)
Well, we have some recognition for all three of you in achieving your silver award,

[Speaker 4] (18:28 - 18:46)
and thank you very much for the things you're doing for our, to support our woods and nature and all of the native plantings and educating us. It's amazing, and we're very glad to have you in our communities. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 12] (18:52 - 18:56)
I think we also need to thank your leader, Suzanne Hale,

[Speaker 12] (18:56 - 18:59)
for all the effort that she puts in in guiding you guys through this.

[Speaker 4] (19:06 - 19:07)
And Diane will make you take a picture,

[Speaker 14] (19:07 - 19:09)
I'm sure it's so a total coincidence

[Speaker 4] (19:09 - 19:10)
okay.

[Speaker 14] (19:10 - 19:11)
that they did native plants.

[Speaker 4] (19:11 - 19:12)
Don't worry, we'll get that after.

[Speaker 4] (19:13 - 19:14)
Alright, ready?

[Speaker 4] (19:14 - 19:15)
Sometimes you need to breathe.

[Speaker 4] (19:30 - 19:31)
I'd like to see you back for gold.

[Speaker 4] (19:41 - 19:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (19:43 - 19:46)
We will now move on to the town administrators. Very

[Speaker 15] (19:46 - 19:46)
Good

[Speaker 4] (19:46 - 19:46)
good.

[Speaker 15] (19:46 - 19:46)
evening.

[Speaker 4] (19:46 - 19:47)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (19:48 - 19:49)
How can you?

[Speaker 15] (19:50 - 19:50)
I can't top this

[Speaker 4] (19:50 - 19:51)
You can't

[Speaker 15] (19:51 - 19:51)
so far.

[Speaker 4] (19:51 - 19:51)
top this.

[Speaker 15] (19:51 - 19:52)
This is

[Speaker 12] (19:52 - 19:52)
Oh, that's why not.

[Speaker 15] (19:52 - 19:53)
an opening for

[Speaker 12] (19:53 - 19:53)
That

[Speaker 15] (19:53 - 19:53)
the two

[Speaker 12] (19:53 - 19:53)
sweater

[Speaker 15] (19:53 - 19:53)
of you.

[Speaker 12] (19:53 - 19:54)
neck is coming real close.

[Speaker 1] (19:55 - 19:55)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (19:55 - 19:56)
That's a nice sweater you

[Speaker 1] (19:56 - 19:57)
That's

[Speaker 3] (19:57 - 19:57)
have

[Speaker 1] (19:57 - 19:57)
an effort,

[Speaker 3] (19:57 - 19:57)
on there.

[Speaker 1] (19:57 - 19:58)
that's an effort.

[Speaker 3] (19:58 - 19:59)
Proud of

[Speaker 1] (19:59 - 19:59)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (19:59 - 19:59)
that sweater.

[Speaker 1] (19:59 - 20:05)
I have a few brief updates that I'll share and happy to take questions about anything I talk about or that you would like me to address first. Um,

[Speaker 1] (20:06 - 20:07)
From the police?

[Speaker 4] (20:07 - 20:09)
FYI we don't have it, it seems.

[Speaker 1] (20:09 - 20:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (20:09 - 20:10)
Okay, but

[Speaker 3] (20:10 - 20:11)
I come by, and I'm sorry.

[Speaker 4] (20:11 - 20:14)
okay, okay, alright. We'll pay very close attention then.

[Speaker 1] (20:14 - 20:33)
Feel free to riff off this and ask other questions. Um from the police department uh I just wanted to give an update on where we are with hiring. There's a number of applications that have come through to the chief and the leadership team. Uh I believe that number is between like eighteen and twenty two uh that they are reviewing. These are the folks that they will start with um

[Speaker 1] (20:33 - 20:35)
They review qualifications,

[Speaker 1] (20:35 - 20:39)
from there they can be moved forward to a background check and interview.

[Speaker 1] (20:39 - 20:54)
The idea is to get eight to ten of them ideally is what we anticipate into the background check and the interview process in January so I'll continue to give you updates on where they are because I know there's an interest in making sure that we're staffed and replacing any officers that move out of town.

[Speaker 1] (20:55 - 20:59)
In addition to that the two new hires Nate Espinel and Sam Holley.

[Speaker 1] (20:59 - 21:14)
They are slated to be joining the January Academy in Linfield for Nate and Sam is joining the February in Randolph. She was not, she was on the wait list in Linfield. We anticipated her getting in, but she did not, but she is enrolled in the February Academy,

[Speaker 1] (21:14 - 21:17)
so they will both be starting in the first two months with that process.

[Speaker 1] (21:17 - 21:20)
There's a number of months there than field training,

[Speaker 1] (21:20 - 21:21)
so before they are fully on their own,

[Speaker 1] (21:21 - 21:25)
it's a nine to 12 month window, but we're happy to be getting them in there.

[Speaker 1] (21:26 - 21:30)
At the fire department, Chief Archer's working on uh the purchase of a new ladder truck.

[Speaker 1] (21:31 - 21:32)
I guess he left.

[Speaker 1] (21:32 - 21:33)
I thought he was still here.

[Speaker 1] (21:33 - 21:34)
I thought he'd be excited to talk about this.

[Speaker 1] (21:35 - 21:43)
There's an opportunity from Pierce to buy an as-built truck so that we do not have to wait the 18 to 36 months depending on the truck.

[Speaker 1] (21:44 - 21:54)
There's a small delta between the appropriation and the cost right now. So he and Patrick are going through to see if there's outstanding purchase orders that are not being used.

[Speaker 1] (21:54 - 21:56)
I think in the end if there are,

[Speaker 1] (21:56 - 22:00)
we will likely go back to the Finance Committee later on if there's a need for any of those items.

[Speaker 1] (21:59 - 22:09)
those items and use the Finance Committee reserve or request the use of it to make up that change. I believe it's a $15,000 to $20,000 difference between the appropriation and the cost.

[Speaker 1] (22:09 - 22:26)
This is the cheapest way for us to get one because it's as built and we're not sort of putting bells and whistles on and it's also the quickest because in each batch of new trucks they have one or two that are not assigned to a community. So this is where we're fortunate to have this chance and Patrick and the chief are working really hard on that.

[Speaker 1] (22:25 - 22:26)
Matt.

[Speaker 1] (22:27 - 22:32)
At town hall in the open positions I had a very good discussion with a finance director candidate,

[Speaker 1] (22:32 - 22:34)
another one coming up this week.

[Speaker 1] (22:34 - 22:40)
I'm cautiously optimistic that there will be a more fulsome update for you all the first week in January, probably an email sooner than that,

[Speaker 1] (22:40 - 22:46)
but just working through that. We finalized the assessor redraft and will be reposting with a higher salary.

[Speaker 1] (22:46 - 22:50)
We also have a promising interview coming up for town clerk.

[Speaker 1] (22:51 - 22:55)
And finally on the public safety administration position I wanted.

[Speaker 1] (22:54 - 22:57)
I wanted to highlight that Diane will be moving over to that role.

[Speaker 1] (22:57 - 23:00)
We'll be posting for a new admin at town hall,

[Speaker 1] (23:00 - 23:04)
so we're excited to be moving forward with a number of different positions all at the same time.

[Speaker 1] (23:04 - 23:06)
That's a lot of progress all at once.

[Speaker 1] (23:07 - 23:11)
A brief update on Hawthorne, just because I know everyone is keenly interested.

[Speaker 1] (23:11 - 23:12)
Number one for the community,

[Speaker 1] (23:13 - 23:16)
parking is available. So please do use that parking lot,

[Speaker 1] (23:16 - 23:19)
park within the lined spots of course,

[Speaker 1] (23:19 - 23:22)
but it's an opportunity for us to activate the space a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (23:22 - 23:32)
and also expand parking availability in the community so please feel free to do that. A little update on the RFP itself we've had more than a dozen folks that have requested and

[Speaker 3] (23:32 - 23:32)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (23:32 - 23:39)
downloaded it that being said some are community members you've put in an email address or some people have just sort of put in gibberish to download it.

[Speaker 1] (23:40 - 23:49)
So there's community members there's interested parties that we know are and then this week we're actually doing site visits as well for folks that wanted to schedule it we posted an addendum.

[Speaker 1] (23:49 - 23:53)
that expanded it from only the 17th to any day this week by appointment.

[Speaker 1] (23:53 - 24:07)
Marzi and Max have been making those happen this week and we've had a number of interested groups go through asking good questions and sort of you know just getting a look at the inside so that they could put together a better presentation in their response to our request.

[Speaker 1] (24:07 - 24:14)
So we're looking forward to that. In addition I wanted to finally thank Heidi for a training that I took.

[Speaker 1] (24:15 - 24:43)
Pardon this past week it's dementia friendly training that she does it's available to elected officials if you haven't done it appointed officials and then on the staff side the goal is to have 80% of employees go through this training and it's it helps us to identify but then also support someone that may be you know working through symptoms of dementia if they were to come in and need any help from the town hall staff so I did it with a couple of senior work off volunteers and you know we continue to sort of make sure new employees are aware of it and get it

[Speaker 1] (24:43 - 24:51)
I didn't get into it, but Heidi was kind enough for this training to do it at town hall once we got the three of us, myself and the two senior work off folks together.

[Speaker 1] (24:51 - 25:00)
She also does them on a regular basis at the senior centre. So if you all haven't done it yet, I would encourage you to do it. And if anyone else is interested in doing it, community members as well,

[Speaker 1] (25:00 - 25:06)
I know Heidi would really appreciate it. There's also a number of businesses in town that participate in the Forget Me Not program,

[Speaker 1] (25:06 - 25:10)
which is tangentially related. It's just making sure the community itself is aware.

[Speaker 1] (25:10 - 25:37)
and thinking about you know folks that you may interact with and what those signs look like so that everyone can can be on the same page and on the business side you know it's opportunities for spaces and times that aren't as loud or crowded or things like that so that folks can be comfortable coming into the business so that is my update generally and I apologize that you do not have anything in your binder we will continue to refine this binder idea for

[Speaker 1] (25:37 - 25:49)
just making sure you guys have everything you need and um just so you're aware the Thursday before the meeting these will be ready at Town Hall for you all uh going forward in this format with any changes that you suggest we're happy to address them as well.

[Speaker 1] (25:51 - 25:51)
Any questions?

[Speaker 5] (25:52 - 25:54)
Yeah, just two quick questions, Nick.

[Speaker 5] (25:55 - 25:56)
So when can you...

[Speaker 5] (25:56 - 25:59)
Can the select board actually visit the Hawthorne?

[Speaker 1] (25:59 - 26:01)
I now finally have a key for Max.

[Speaker 1] (26:01 - 26:08)
So literally whenever I can work with each of the five of you, we can do it together as long as there's no deliberation, a site visit is within open meeting laws,

[Speaker 1] (26:09 - 26:10)
or I can take you all individually.

[Speaker 1] (26:10 - 26:12)
Max is going to walk me through the

[Speaker 1] (26:13 - 26:26)
The alarm as well so we can either look for a weekend morning and afternoon. You all can let me know individually or as a group how you'd like to do that. But I literally got the key this afternoon. Marcy was nice enough to to grab one from Max for me.

[Speaker 5] (26:26 - 26:36)
Awesome. And then my second question was how are we so lucky to have the opportunity to acquire an as-built fire truck, um considering the wait is up to three years?

[Speaker 1] (26:36 - 26:39)
So the chief has been working with the sales person that is his.

[Speaker 1] (26:39 - 26:45)
is his contact for a while and had identified that this is something that we would be able to do because again,

[Speaker 1] (26:46 - 26:51)
the more bells and whistles or the more customization you do, the less likely you're able to do this.

[Speaker 1] (26:51 - 26:54)
He and the team at the fire department looked closely at what the specs were,

[Speaker 1] (26:55 - 26:57)
made sure that it worked for them and he has been

[Speaker 1] (26:57 - 27:23)
aggressive in letting the salesperson know that if any of them become available we wanted to have a bite at the apple and we're that's why he and Patrick are working to figure out this it's a I think it's between fifteen and twenty thousand dollars I don't have the exact number and if we would need to in the future as I said we would go back to income on the reserve if there comes up something in the next six months it would require require that money to be put forward again on a P.O. or something but

[Speaker 1] (27:23 - 27:28)
We were sort of scraping together what's available to make sure that we could get it done as quickly as possible.

[Speaker 4] (27:28 - 27:29)
Excellent. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (27:29 - 27:32)
And it's a credit to the chief to answer the question directly.

[Speaker 6] (27:32 - 27:34)
I ha I have two questions on that. One

[Speaker 6] (27:35 - 27:40)
Because it's an opportunity that's available to us do it doesn't go through typical procurement?

[Speaker 1] (27:40 - 27:43)
We so we have the capital appropriation already

[Speaker 6] (27:43 - 27:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (27:44 - 27:50)
and the procurement this is either we would order it and sort of pay on delivery or this is an opportunity to short-circuit that wait.

[Speaker 6] (27:50 - 27:53)
And then this is going to replace which one currently?

[Speaker 1] (27:53 - 27:55)
I do not know the answer to that I apologize.

[Speaker 6] (27:55 - 27:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (27:55 - 27:56)
I can ask.

[Speaker 6] (27:58 - 27:59)
Anybody else?

[Speaker 3] (27:59 - 28:03)
Yep, I had some questions about Hawthorne. Will we be letting residents know

[Speaker 3] (28:04 - 28:13)
Was the newsletter, email, w whatever mode that parking at the Hawthorne is an option for them? Is there a sign that we're gonna put up, anything to let people know that they can park there?

[Speaker 1] (28:13 - 28:19)
Yes to all of the above, we can do all of them. And it was something that Max and I had spoken to the police department about to make sure that

[Speaker 1] (28:19 - 28:26)
And I think I said this to one or some of you in the past, but the police department was actually really excited when we suggested it, because it would activate the space,

[Speaker 3] (28:26 - 28:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (28:27 - 28:31)
and it wouldn't be that there's an empty lot in front of a building that we're also holding

[Speaker 3] (28:31 - 28:31)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (28:31 - 28:32)
onto right now.

[Speaker 3] (28:32 - 28:46)
And my second question is, when we have people coming through to tour, do the site visits, do we have like an FAQ or any type of anything that we're giving out with like standard questions that prospective tenant or or

[Speaker 3] (28:46 - 28:49)
you know restaurant tour might ask right like common

[Speaker 1] (28:49 - 28:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (28:50 - 28:51)
questions do we have those prepared

[Speaker 1] (28:51 - 28:51)
So

[Speaker 3] (28:51 - 28:56)
or something to give in terms of like a not a presentation but like a, you

[Speaker 1] (28:56 - 28:56)
so what

[Speaker 3] (28:56 - 28:56)
know

[Speaker 1] (28:56 - 29:03)
everyone has right now is the R_F_P_ that's posted in the addendums. The addendums are for the dates of the visit and there was a second one.

[Speaker 1] (29:04 - 29:05)
What was it?

[Speaker 1] (29:07 - 29:10)
Yes, so we don't the answer is no.

[Speaker 3] (29:10 - 29:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (29:11 - 29:21)
To in for the procurement we wait for the questions. We have a week to answer them and then we post the answers. So in the course of the discussion uh during any of the tours if there's question asked we ask them to put it in writing

[Speaker 3] (29:21 - 29:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (29:21 - 29:25)
because the benefit is meant to accrue to any one who would apply via

[Speaker 3] (29:25 - 29:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (29:25 - 29:25)
the procurement.

[Speaker 3] (29:25 - 29:26)
You have the unequal footing.

[Speaker 1] (29:26 - 29:34)
Exactly. So if folks say you know from a building inspector standpoint what would need to be done, that was a question that had been asked and we asked to be reduced to writing.

[Speaker 1] (29:34 - 29:40)
but I talked to Rich and said can you start working on the answer of this anticipating with the question it's going to be very broad

[Speaker 3] (29:40 - 29:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (29:40 - 29:44)
um in the types of things that a potential respondent would need to be thinking about.

[Speaker 3] (29:45 - 29:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (29:45 - 29:46)
But we don't hand anything out.

[Speaker 3] (29:46 - 29:49)
Okay. Great. But it will be made available to anybody that has

[Speaker 1] (29:49 - 29:49)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (29:49 - 29:49)
interest

[Speaker 5] (29:49 - 29:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (29:49 - 29:49)
in it.

[Speaker 2] (29:49 - 29:50)
yeah, it's at there's

[Speaker 1] (29:50 - 29:51)
Yeah, to this board I would assume as well.

[Speaker 2] (29:51 - 30:00)
it's yep, it's on the schedule for I think their questions are due right before Christmas, our answers are due right before New Year's, all right, right after. It's something like that. We have a approximate week to answer them.

[Speaker 1] (30:01 - 30:02)
Excellent. That's all I had.

[Speaker 3] (30:03 - 30:05)
Have we reached out to any organizations like um

[Speaker 3] (30:06 - 30:08)
warring organizations or

[Speaker 2] (30:08 - 30:09)
We have not we've

[Speaker 3] (30:09 - 30:09)
restaurant

[Speaker 2] (30:09 - 30:10)
had just

[Speaker 3] (30:10 - 30:10)
associations

[Speaker 2] (30:10 - 30:17)
just the respondents that we've had we can certainly make contact with the Mass Brewers Guild and Mass Restaurant Association tomorrow.

[Speaker 4] (30:24 - 30:25)
Is that it?

[Speaker 3] (30:26 - 30:32)
I have one question if if we have if we have outstanding uh we under capital we have extra money

[Speaker 3] (30:33 - 30:41)
under DPW equipment. Is there a possibility we can slide some of that from DPW equipment over?

[Speaker 2] (30:41 - 30:42)
For the fire truck we talking

[Speaker 3] (30:42 - 30:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (30:42 - 30:48)
about? Uh now the authorization that was voted on was for uh an amount a specific

[Speaker 3] (30:48 - 30:48)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (30:48 - 30:54)
amount for the ladder truck. So that's what we're working within um and I think that we should be able to get

[Speaker 2] (30:55 - 30:57)
through the POs that we would sort of abandon

[Speaker 1] (30:57 - 30:57)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (30:57 - 31:08)
for now we should be able to get there, the the sort of outstanding item would be that we may go before Fin Fincom to say there uh a portion of that reserve might be necessary for something, whether it's

[Speaker 3] (31:08 - 31:08)
It

[Speaker 2] (31:08 - 31:08)
a repair

[Speaker 3] (31:08 - 31:11)
would be unfores it would be unforeseen so it will qualify, I think.

[Speaker 2] (31:11 - 31:13)
right. The alternative would be,

[Speaker 2] (31:14 - 31:17)
you know, would sort of push the timeline and hope the pierce holds onto it will be

[Speaker 2] (31:17 - 31:25)
Bowl with four fin, you know, it's it's six and one half dozen the other. And so we thought the best option was to try to find it within our expense line now and make it all work.

[Speaker 1] (31:25 - 31:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (31:25 - 31:30)
And then if an unforeseen future expense comes up, we would go with four fin common explain. And

[Speaker 1] (31:30 - 31:30)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (31:30 - 31:40)
obviously we're highlighting tonight what we're doing, so it's you know, this is the first domino if that were necessary. So we've been public about this and then would also in the future say there's an expense that we hadn't foreseen or

[Speaker 1] (31:41 - 31:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (31:41 - 31:42)
whatever the case may be.

[Speaker 5] (31:46 - 31:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (31:47 - 31:48)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 5] (31:49 - 31:51)
We will move on to public comments.

[Speaker 5] (31:52 - 31:55)
In the, I guess,

[Speaker 5] (31:56 - 32:03)
new fashion, we've been sort of trying to streamline public comments so that we are able to streamline the rest of the meeting.

[Speaker 5] (32:03 - 32:09)
So if you're here for public comment, you may comment on anything that is not a public hearing on the agenda.

[Speaker 5] (32:09 - 32:13)
So any item on the agenda or off is open for public comment.

[Speaker 2] (32:14 - 32:14)
For three minutes.

[Speaker 5] (32:14 - 32:18)
You owe three minutes and please approach the microphone with your name and your address.

[Speaker 5] (32:21 - 32:24)
Okay, seeing none.

[Speaker 5] (32:24 - 32:26)
We will move on to new and old business,

[Speaker 5] (32:26 - 32:29)
which first item is a public hearing,

[Speaker 5] (32:29 - 32:41)
which is a discussion and possible vote to consider the approval of the application for multiple amendments of an existing Section 15 off-premises wine and malt beverage license to an off-premises all alcohol license,

[Speaker 5] (32:41 - 32:43)
and that's for 44 Atlantic Inc.

[Speaker 5] (32:43 - 32:45)
doing business as Richdale Somscot,

[Speaker 5] (32:45 - 32:47)
located at 444 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 5] (32:47 - 32:48)
Somscot, Mass., 01907,

[Speaker 5] (32:49 - 32:50)
including a change of manager.

[Speaker 5] (32:51 - 32:54)
A changed officer and director and shareholder.

[Speaker 5] (32:56 - 32:57)
Good evening.

[Speaker 6] (32:58 - 32:58)
Good evening.

[Speaker 5] (32:59 - 32:59)
How are you?

[Speaker 6] (32:59 - 33:00)
I think you have to go to open.

[Speaker 5] (33:00 - 33:05)
Yep, we're going to vote to uh entertain a motion to enter public the public hearing.

[Speaker 3] (33:05 - 33:05)
So moved.

[Speaker 6] (33:05 - 33:06)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (33:06 - 33:07)
All in favor?

[Speaker 6] (33:07 - 33:07)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (33:07 - 33:08)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (33:08 - 33:08)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (33:09 - 33:10)
I'm feeling better tonight.

[Speaker 6] (33:11 - 33:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (33:11 - 33:11)
Good.

[Speaker 6] (33:11 - 33:16)
Thank you. Um I that could maybe help your understanding.

[Speaker 6] (33:17 - 33:22)
of what it is I gave to Tim a a a map that I think has

[Speaker 5] (33:22 - 33:22)
Yes we

[Speaker 6] (33:22 - 33:22)
any

[Speaker 5] (33:22 - 33:22)
have.

[Speaker 6] (33:22 - 33:23)
has everybody seen it?

[Speaker 1] (33:23 - 33:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (33:24 - 33:24)
It's in your

[Speaker 6] (33:24 - 33:24)
That

[Speaker 5] (33:24 - 33:24)
packet.

[Speaker 6] (33:24 - 33:40)
you can see exactly my my color coding where uh the uh alcoholic beverages would be kept as opposed to the beer and wine which are already there.

[Speaker 6] (33:41 - 33:42)
Um and I think

[Speaker 6] (33:44 - 33:49)
were pretty much through our presentation at the last meeting.

[Speaker 6] (33:50 - 34:01)
So I guess we'd be open to questions and maybe any comments from any townspeople.

[Speaker 5] (34:03 - 34:05)
Okay, so as this is a public hearing,

[Speaker 5] (34:05 - 34:11)
if there is anybody from the public who wishes to speak, now would be the time to do so online or in person.

[Speaker 5] (34:12 - 34:13)
And you can approach the microphone.

[Speaker 5] (34:14 - 34:14)
Diane,

[Speaker 5] (34:14 - 34:22)
we can't, I can't see if an online hand is raised, so if you, please approach the mic,

[Speaker 5] (34:22 - 34:24)
state your name and your address,

[Speaker 5] (34:24 - 34:25)
please.

[Speaker 7] (34:31 - 34:35)
Joan Kruzek, 432 Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 7] (34:39 - 34:41)
At the last meeting,

[Speaker 7] (34:41 - 34:55)
a letter was read from neighbors who complained about teenagers drinking beer and leaving cans and also defacing property with spray paint.

[Speaker 7] (34:57 - 35:06)
And I don't know what that has to do with a business that's run properly having a liquor license.

[Speaker 7] (35:09 - 35:13)
I know Vinnie, I know his wife, and I know his son,

[Speaker 7] (35:13 - 35:16)
who just, he's just started his first year of college.

[Speaker 7] (35:17 - 35:26)
This man would never sell beer to his underage resident of Swanscott or anywhere.

[Speaker 7] (35:26 - 35:28)
He just wouldn't do it.

[Speaker 7] (35:28 - 35:32)
He raised a responsible teenage son.

[Speaker 8] (35:35 - 35:43)
I found that that letter just brought out the fact that we need to know where Karen's at,

[Speaker 8] (35:43 - 35:45)
not who's selling liquor.

[Speaker 8] (35:46 - 35:49)
And the other point I wanted to make is that I walk the beach,

[Speaker 8] (35:49 - 35:51)
I live across from Fisherman's Beach,

[Speaker 8] (35:51 - 36:01)
and I walk the beach two or three times a day from April till right through to November and I pick up trash.

[Speaker 8] (36:02 - 36:05)
I pick up shed trash every day.

[Speaker 8] (36:05 - 36:08)
I have getters. I have stainless steel.

[Speaker 8] (36:08 - 36:11)
If you've been to the beach, you've seen me because I'm there all the time.

[Speaker 8] (36:13 - 36:16)
The things that I pick up are not beer bottles.

[Speaker 8] (36:17 - 36:18)
They are nicks,

[Speaker 8] (36:18 - 36:21)
and they are grape,

[Speaker 8] (36:23 - 36:30)
some kind of a grape liqueur. And when they throw them out, they come in a package.

[Speaker 8] (36:32 - 36:57)
you can get like a dozen and that's what I find on the beach so whatever wherever those coming from it's not from this store because they don't sell them and they I find I do find needles I I worn hair and I do find them to be careful of orange tips and ask their children

[Speaker 8] (36:58 - 36:59)
not to touch them.

[Speaker 8] (37:03 - 37:12)
But the most thing that I find is cigarettes, cigarette boxes.

[Speaker 8] (37:12 - 37:18)
I pick up hundreds of cigarette boxes every single day,

[Speaker 8] (37:18 - 37:20)
all summer.

[Speaker 8] (37:21 - 37:25)
The people take their cigarettes, they open that little cellophane.

[Speaker 8] (37:26 - 37:28)
And that's, that's a reach.

[Speaker 8] (37:28 - 37:32)
And I mean, I can't play the other, it's not an ashtray.

[Speaker 8] (37:33 - 37:38)
So in terms of keeping that community safe and clean,

[Speaker 8] (37:38 - 37:46)
I don't see what this business trying to get a liquor license has to do with that at all.

[Speaker 8] (37:47 - 37:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (37:55 - 37:56)
All right,

[Speaker 5] (37:56 - 37:59)
I think we don't have any additional hands raised for public comments,

[Speaker 5] (37:59 - 38:03)
so we will be opening discussion to the board.

[Speaker 5] (38:05 - 38:09)
There were, we had some conversations last time about,

[Speaker 5] (38:09 - 38:12)
I think it was left,

[Speaker 5] (38:12 - 38:17)
you know, where the liquor would be stored. It's very clear on this sheet where that storage is.

[Speaker 5] (38:18 - 38:19)
If there are any outstanding questions,

[Speaker 5] (38:20 - 38:21)
now would be the time.

[Speaker 1] (38:23 - 38:25)
So I don't know that I have a question as much as I have a concern.

[Speaker 1] (38:28 - 38:31)
I have a concern as a parent, right, just as a resident.

[Speaker 1] (38:31 - 38:39)
I'm just, I feel like underage drinking in our town is a thing. It's a thing maybe we don't like to talk about a lot,

[Speaker 1] (38:39 - 38:44)
but it's neighboring towns have had issues. It's almost an epidemic, I would say,

[Speaker 1] (38:44 - 38:49)
in small towns. And I just personally have...

[Speaker 1] (38:51 - 39:11)
Just a bad feeling about a convenience store that is frequented all summer all year by kids buying candy and ice cream and slush and us just having more exposure to alcohol in a place that people will go to typically buy a snack maybe gum maybe you know whatever.

[Speaker 1] (39:13 - 39:17)
We have three full-size liquor stores in a three square mile town.

[Speaker 1] (39:18 - 39:23)
I don't think that, you know, we're lacking for places to buy liquor,

[Speaker 1] (39:23 - 39:36)
right? And it's my understanding that this license already has a beer and wine license, right? So this is an expansion of the license. I think, not that I want to, you know, cut into anybody's profit margin,

[Speaker 1] (39:37 - 39:42)
but I think that at some point, someone has to start talking about.

[Speaker 1] (39:43 - 39:44)
You know, underage

[Speaker 1] (40:03 - 40:05)
It is a bigger problem, right?

[Speaker 1] (40:05 - 40:07)
And it's a bigger community problem.

[Speaker 1] (40:07 - 40:09)
It's not just parents, it's not just store owners,

[Speaker 1] (40:09 - 40:23)
it's not um just select board, it's everybody. And I just think that I c I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around more exposure to alcohol for kids that are in places like a convenience store.

[Speaker 1] (40:23 - 40:26)
'Cause I think of a convenience store as a place that, you know,

[Speaker 1] (40:27 - 40:48)
I I I focus on pe on kids, you know that that are going there to buy a snack after school or they're going to jump off the pier and they're getting ice cream and you know not that they would attempt to buy alcohol, but it's the exposure to it and it's the constant message um that everywhere you can you can you know buy a drink or you know I just that that's just me, that's my gut feeling.

[Speaker 1] (40:49 - 41:00)
But at the same time, I don't certainly want to hurt this business, which is obviously run by incredibly great community members, and I don't discount that at all. But I just, I that's my concern just as a human and as

[Speaker 2] (41:00 - 41:00)
a Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1] (41:00 - 41:00)
parent, you

[Speaker 3] (41:00 - 41:00)
If

[Speaker 1] (41:00 - 41:01)
know.

[Speaker 3] (41:01 - 41:02)
I might, if I might respond to that.

[Speaker 1] (41:02 - 41:03)
Of course, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (41:03 - 41:10)
If they don't get this all alcohol license, it's it's it's available to someone else in a different location.

[Speaker 1] (41:11 - 41:13)
But th it's available at a liquor store,

[Speaker 1] (41:13 - 41:13)
right?

[Speaker 3] (41:13 - 41:14)
Is the liquor store full?

[Speaker 3] (41:15 - 41:18)
a full liquor store in another location in town.

[Speaker 3] (41:18 - 41:20)
It doesn't affect their beer and wine.

[Speaker 3] (41:20 - 41:21)
They would still have their beer and wine.

[Speaker 1] (41:21 - 41:22)
Right, but a liquor

[Speaker 3] (41:22 - 41:22)
That

[Speaker 1] (41:22 - 41:25)
store is not a place where my kid is going to buy an ice cream.

[Speaker 3] (41:25 - 41:26)
Pardon me?

[Speaker 1] (41:26 - 41:29)
A liquor store is not a place that my kid is going to go in and buy an ice cream.

[Speaker 1] (41:29 - 41:30)
That's my concern.

[Speaker 1] (41:30 - 41:31)
That's where my thought process

[Speaker 3] (41:31 - 41:32)
I

[Speaker 1] (41:32 - 41:32)
is.

[Speaker 3] (41:32 - 41:32)
understand

[Speaker 1] (41:32 - 41:32)
You know what I mean?

[Speaker 3] (41:32 - 41:33)
that.

[Speaker 1] (41:33 - 41:35)
But I get your point.

[Speaker 3] (41:35 - 41:38)
But, you know, this is a license that's available,

[Speaker 1] (41:38 - 41:38)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (41:38 - 41:42)
and someone's going to get it, and it's going to be in our town.

[Speaker 3] (41:42 - 41:43)
And

[Speaker 1] (41:43 - 41:43)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (41:43 - 41:43)
you've

[Speaker 1] (41:43 - 41:43)
of course.

[Speaker 3] (41:43 - 41:53)
got you've got somebody who's demonstrated a responsible, that they're responsible owners in how they deal with their present license, having for nine years had no complaints.

[Speaker 1] (41:53 - 41:57)
Oh, I'm not, I'm not discounting that. I'm not, that's not at all my concern,

[Speaker 1] (41:57 - 41:58)
but thank you for that.

[Speaker 1] (41:58 - 41:59)
I appreciate that.

[Speaker 4] (42:05 - 42:06)
I have two comments.

[Speaker 4] (42:06 - 42:11)
One, I would like to understand what even our legal platform would be to,

[Speaker 4] (42:11 - 42:14)
I don't think, I am uncertain,

[Speaker 4] (42:14 - 42:21)
I am not practicing right now, but I am uncertain that we have the ability as a board to deny him a license because it makes us uncomfortable.

[Speaker 4] (42:22 - 42:26)
I don't know and we don't have, unless there is something in our packet I didn't see,

[Speaker 4] (42:27 - 42:33)
we don't have the commentary from KP to say his proximity to the beach or something like that allows us to.

[Speaker 4] (42:33 - 42:34)
to not approve this license.

[Speaker 4] (42:35 - 42:38)
That's the first question where my end goes,

[Speaker 4] (42:38 - 42:38)
right?

[Speaker 4] (42:38 - 42:46)
Because we need to be aware that we have certain legal ramifications and we need to be within those ramifications.

[Speaker 4] (42:48 - 42:52)
The second observation I would like to make, which is a recent experience I had at the Richdale,

[Speaker 4] (42:52 - 42:55)
which my son takes his bike to the Richdale all the time.

[Speaker 4] (42:55 - 42:56)
He goes with his buddy,

[Speaker 4] (42:56 - 42:59)
they go to get candy and soda,

[Speaker 4] (42:59 - 43:03)
and I happened to walk in when my son was there with a couple of his friends,

[Speaker 4] (43:03 - 43:05)
and there were two of them inside,

[Speaker 4] (43:05 - 43:06)
and I said, why are there only two of you inside?

[Speaker 4] (43:06 - 43:07)
And he said,

[Speaker 4] (43:07 - 43:09)
we're only allowed to be two inside at a time.

[Speaker 4] (43:10 - 43:10)
I said, you are?

[Speaker 4] (43:11 - 43:13)
He said, yeah, when there are kids here,

[Speaker 4] (43:13 - 43:15)
we're only allowed two at a time.

[Speaker 4] (43:16 - 43:40)
and if we walk in with more than two we're asked to wait until those two are done and then two of us go in and I said and you listen of course we listen okay great well good job me and I said thank you so much and then I said if this one gives you trouble you let me know and he said I will and so I left and to me that speaks volumes to the type of management that is happening at this location

[Speaker 4] (43:41 - 43:44)
It is not just that you've asked something of this community,

[Speaker 4] (43:44 - 43:46)
but this community respects you enough to give it to you, right?

[Speaker 4] (43:47 - 43:56)
So my kid is showing up on his bicycle and has very little cares in the world, but he is concerned of what you're asking him to do and he's respecting that.

[Speaker 4] (43:57 - 44:03)
Thank you for that and for helping because she was an active community member and teaching kids how to be active community members and I appreciate that.

[Speaker 4] (44:03 - 44:18)
I do still have the fears that Ms. Leonard states which is I but I also look at your layout and I see that all your alcohol is at the back of the store so why would my kid have to go anywhere past this grocery because anything in the back is not for him.

[Speaker 4] (44:18 - 44:20)
It's there's alcohol in the back,

[Speaker 4] (44:20 - 44:21)
there's wine, there's beer.

[Speaker 4] (44:22 - 44:28)
I would hope that anything small bottleneck that could fall off the shelf is behind the counter and not on the shelves.

[Speaker 4] (44:28 - 44:30)
I think that's common practice.

[Speaker 4] (44:30 - 44:44)
So I want to make sure that we are in the parameters of our legal rights and that we understand what we can and cannot deny a license for and at the same time being thoughtful of you know what community presence you're bringing.

[Speaker 5] (44:45 - 44:46)
So to answer the first comment,

[Speaker 5] (44:46 - 44:47)
there is nothing in.

[Speaker 4] (44:48 - 44:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (44:48 - 45:02)
That plays out that framework, I'm happy to work with K_P_ if you were to continue again, I we could have that in writing to you in advance to review and then uh in the packets for the evening of the next meeting. Um but I do not have that ready for this evening.

[Speaker 5] (45:03 - 45:10)
I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying there. You're not sure the answer to Katie's question or you believe it's correct that

[Speaker 6] (45:11 - 45:14)
We don't really have the legal right to deny this application for that very

[Speaker 5] (45:14 - 45:20)
I believe it's correct that there's a framework that you need to follow that is probably well tested and legal in

[Speaker 6] (45:20 - 45:20)
Okay, but we're not

[Speaker 5] (45:20 - 45:20)
forms

[Speaker 6] (45:20 - 45:21)
doing exactly

[Speaker 5] (45:21 - 45:21)
that

[Speaker 6] (45:21 - 45:21)
what they want.

[Speaker 5] (45:21 - 45:29)
I don't have that in front of me. And so if the if the will of the board was to look at it from that framework or that standpoint or that point of view,

[Speaker 5] (45:29 - 45:33)
I would want you to have that information so that you understood what the parameters are,

[Speaker 5] (45:33 - 45:35)
as Katie sort of described.

[Speaker 1] (45:36 - 45:42)
I would like to see those parameters because um I am concerned with s some of the points that

[Speaker 1] (45:43 - 45:45)
Daniel Leonard has brought up tonight.

[Speaker 5] (45:46 - 45:50)
And I'm happy to circulate that well in advance of the next meeting. It's a request I can make of them in the morning.

[Speaker 6] (45:51 - 45:53)
Oh, it's sorry. Uh

[Speaker 6] (45:54 - 46:19)
I'm ready to make a motion to to approve this because I I totally understand those concerns but given I'm in the store all the time there really is like a very it's a small store I'm not saying that some kid couldn't go over there for sure they can already go over there and get a beer or wine we're talking about adding you know some liquor behind the cash register and at the end of a cooler

[Speaker 6] (46:19 - 46:42)
Um so to me it feels like there's a balance here, you know, uh this if if a kid is looking to get alcohol, they're either gonna already be able to get it here or somewhere else. Um and um, you know, this is a f well operated business, um and I do think that the balance comes to

[Speaker 6] (46:42 - 46:43)
There is a license,

[Speaker 6] (46:44 - 46:55)
they're adhering to everything that we know of that they should adhere to, and um it seems like a reasonable balanced approach to uh proceed with uh the license.

[Speaker 3] (46:55 - 46:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (46:55 - 46:55)
So

[Speaker 4] (46:55 - 46:55)
Perfect.

[Speaker 6] (46:55 - 47:04)
that's that's I guess if I don't know if I have to read the motion to make the motion, but um that's that's the gist of my perspective.

[Speaker 4] (47:04 - 47:07)
We have one hand up if you don't mind if I take that before you

[Speaker 6] (47:07 - 47:07)
Of course.

[Speaker 4] (47:07 - 47:08)
make a motion.

[Speaker 4] (47:08 - 47:09)
That would be great.

[Speaker 4] (47:14 - 47:17)
Mr. Demento, you may unmute yourself.

[Speaker 7] (47:19 - 47:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (47:19 - 47:20)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 7] (47:21 - 47:24)
Bill Demento, 1008 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 7] (47:25 - 47:30)
I have no opinion relative to this particular talk.

[Speaker 7] (47:30 - 47:38)
I have two other thoughts, and that is the first one being they wouldn't be here if you didn't have a right to deny it.

[Speaker 7] (47:39 - 47:48)
And the statute is very clear that the standard is, is it in the public good to have this license?

[Speaker 7] (47:49 - 47:50)
That is the standard.

[Speaker 7] (47:51 - 47:58)
But you have all the authority in the world to deny it unless you're going to deny it because Chris Drukus is their lawyer.

[Speaker 7] (47:59 - 48:00)
Other than that,

[Speaker 7] (48:00 - 48:07)
other than that, you have all the power in the world to do it.

[Speaker 7] (48:07 - 48:09)
Uh, I just,

[Speaker 7] (48:09 - 48:10)
that,

[Speaker 7] (48:10 - 48:20)
that caught me listening, saying they wouldn't have a public hearing unless you had the right to deny it. It just has to be, uh,

[Speaker 7] (48:21 - 48:25)
something that if the majority of the board feels it isn't in the public good,

[Speaker 7] (48:25 - 48:26)
then they don't get the license.

[Speaker 7] (48:26 - 48:28)
It's a very discretionary thing.

[Speaker 7] (48:28 - 48:30)
That's why it's called the license.

[Speaker 7] (48:30 - 48:31)
Thank you for your time.

[Speaker 6] (48:32 - 48:33)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (48:33 - 48:33)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (48:33 - 48:34)
I just say that that

[Speaker 4] (48:34 - 48:34)
you.

[Speaker 6] (48:34 - 48:36)
that's a logical conclusion.

[Speaker 6] (48:36 - 48:38)
I'm not sure it's necessarily the conclusion.

[Speaker 6] (48:38 - 48:43)
I mean, our job could be to make sure that they adhere to all the requirements of the application,

[Speaker 6] (48:43 - 48:47)
and that may be the purview which we have theoretically. It's not just

[Speaker 3] (48:47 - 48:49)
And in response to that,

[Speaker 3] (48:49 - 49:01)
he is correct. I mean, you would have the right to reject it, but your job is to balance all the factors that are enumerated in the statute and in the Balloran case.

[Speaker 3] (49:02 - 49:04)
So things like traffic,

[Speaker 3] (49:04 - 49:06)
are we going to create traffic issues?

[Speaker 3] (49:07 - 49:13)
Is it going to create parking issues? Is it going to create noise issues? Is it going to create public safety issues?

[Speaker 3] (49:14 - 49:17)
And I would say to you, based upon the information that you have,

[Speaker 3] (49:18 - 49:19)
this is a very busy area in town.

[Speaker 3] (49:20 - 49:23)
I don't think it's going to have a very minimal effect,

[Speaker 3] (49:23 - 49:24)
if any,

[Speaker 3] (49:24 - 49:28)
on traffic or in the general area.

[Speaker 3] (49:28 - 49:30)
I think it's far enough away from.

[Speaker 3] (49:31 - 49:33)
than any other liquor store.

[Speaker 3] (49:33 - 49:37)
So it's not a question of need,

[Speaker 3] (49:37 - 49:39)
it's a question of value.

[Speaker 1] (49:48 - 49:55)
Otherwise there wouldn't be these licenses and there wouldn't be in a town like Swampscott as many licenses as there are.

[Speaker 1] (49:55 - 49:57)
And if you read the Balloran case,

[Speaker 1] (49:57 - 50:03)
I think it enumerates exactly all these issues and how you have to balance them.

[Speaker 1] (50:04 - 50:11)
And I would maintain that based upon the owner that you, and the experience that you had with them,

[Speaker 1] (50:11 - 50:19)
I mean they have 16 cameras on this place, so not only are they monitoring how many kids come in there,

[Speaker 1] (50:19 - 50:20)
where they are,

[Speaker 1] (50:20 - 50:23)
and they can watch and see if any of them go back there.

[Speaker 1] (50:23 - 50:26)
They can monitor everything that's going on there.

[Speaker 1] (50:27 - 50:32)
And I think that you've got a wonderful owner who wants to use this in a limited capacity.

[Speaker 1] (50:33 - 50:37)
which is, I think, something that's also credible.

[Speaker 1] (50:37 - 50:41)
And they're willing to keep it that way.

[Speaker 1] (50:41 - 50:49)
They're willing to specify that if you only want them to use the particular areas that they've laid out to sell alcohol,

[Speaker 1] (50:49 - 50:50)
they'll live with that.

[Speaker 2] (50:51 - 50:55)
Yeah. I mean, I mean, I've been to the store. I go mostly in the summertime.

[Speaker 2] (50:56 - 51:01)
Vinnie, I've I've been I've been seeing you for, you know, probably at least the last six years or so.

[Speaker 2] (51:02 - 51:08)
The store is well run. It's well respected. You have neighbors that are showing up not to oppose you, but to support you.

[Speaker 2] (51:09 - 51:17)
Um that's not something we see uh very often at a select board meeting or certainly a hearing uh about uh beer wine spirits etc.

[Speaker 2] (51:17 - 51:35)
So uh I think that's a testament to your to your management and so I'm I'm fully in support I think um you know I I certainly think that you've proven yourself over the last nine years of operating this location with a with a beer and wine license and I think the the full license is is something that uh that I would

[Speaker 2] (51:36 - 51:39)
I would support because I think you're going to do it the right way.

[Speaker 2] (51:39 - 51:40)
I know you're going to do it the right way.

[Speaker 3] (51:41 - 51:43)
I think the p uh maybe I should know this,

[Speaker 3] (51:44 - 51:46)
is this has to be renewed annually.

[Speaker 3] (51:47 - 52:00)
I was just gonna make that point, Dad. Okay, so we have the opportunity to evaluate if there are concerns, we'd be able to be right back here like the rest of the things we have to go through tonight and kind of renewing or not renewing based on what had happened.

[Speaker 4] (52:00 - 52:01)
I think it's a little harder.

[Speaker 4] (52:02 - 52:29)
to when you have to renew versus not initiating it. And I think it's a very valid point having kids frequent a convenience store, it's a convenience store, and kids are frequenting a convenience store and generally not frequenting a liquor store. And I think that's the reasons why the Commonwealth actually set up.

[Speaker 4] (52:30 - 52:35)
licenses in different categories, or at least it's one of the reasons why. Um

[Speaker 4] (52:37 - 52:40)
you know, I I would not be comfortable with

[Speaker 4] (52:42 - 52:47)
my child going into a convenience store where there is

[Speaker 4] (52:48 - 52:57)
a lot of displays of liquor, wine, beer, liquor behind the counter. I think those constant images don't add to a

[Speaker 4] (52:58 - 53:05)
to a good result often. I think that it is something that just definitely concerns me.

[Speaker 4] (53:06 - 53:21)
So um I personally just feel like I'd really like to know more about what are the rules around, you know, denying a liquor license um just because I d I don't have enough experience in this.

[Speaker 5] (53:21 - 53:23)
I just want to clarify too, I

[Speaker 5] (53:24 - 53:33)
Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm not so much as concerned with kids or teens or preteens being able to go and actually purchase the liquor.

[Speaker 3] (53:33 - 53:33)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (53:33 - 53:42)
That's not my concern. My concern is the atmosphere created in a place where kids frequent and you're selling liquor.

[Speaker 5] (53:42 - 53:44)
Okay, it's different when

[Speaker 5] (53:45 - 53:55)
I don't know. You've had a couple drinks on the beach, you go to Richdale across the street, you want to get a six pack of high noons and you're walking in next to my kid who's buying a slush, right?

[Speaker 5] (53:55 - 53:58)
It's that type of atmosphere that gives me pause.

[Speaker 5] (53:58 - 54:07)
It's not that I'm concerned that, you know, Katie's fourth grader is going to go down the wrong aisle and pick up a McGillicuddy's. That's not what I'm talking about.

[Speaker 5] (54:08 - 54:13)
So I'm not, so to say, let's re-look at this in a year and see if we have instances of

[Speaker 5] (54:14 - 54:28)
You know, situations where we could, you know, potentially look to change or reverse a ruling. That that's not my concern. My concern is we just approved a licence, I don't know, a quarter mile up the road for an actual liquor store. I

[Speaker 1] (54:28 - 54:29)
Half a mile.

[Speaker 5] (54:29 - 54:31)
thank you, half mile.

[Speaker 5] (54:32 - 54:47)
Um isn't that enou at what point in this town of three and a half miles is it enough liquor right? I I is an honest question right? We've got bars, we've got restaurants, we've got clubs, we've got three liquor stores. Now we've got convenience stores. Fine.

[Speaker 5] (54:48 - 54:58)
Why do we need to continue to expand? Um and is it appropriate? Is it in the best interest of the people in this community for this particular type of establishment?

[Speaker 5] (54:59 - 55:01)
to have that atmosphere, right.

[Speaker 5] (55:02 - 55:24)
That's all, that's m that that's my concern. It's not that kids are gonna go in and accidentally buy a you know forty. No, um it's that that exposure, that that element, that environment is different than you know the same reason why you're we're not letting twelve year olds, you know, go into Vin and liquors, right, unattended or by themselves, right, you just wouldn't feel comfortable.

[Speaker 5] (55:24 - 55:39)
Right, so just because we have a liquor store that this is kind of like a quasi liquor store to me now, right? It's not a convenience store that sells beer and wine, we're now talking about a mini liquor store that's selling all liquor, beer and wine, and some groceries, right?

[Speaker 5] (55:39 - 55:42)
So it changes the whole feel, to me, of that rich still.

[Speaker 6] (55:43 - 55:45)
I don't disagree with you, but I don't know.

[Speaker 6] (55:46 - 55:47)
As a parent, then,

[Speaker 6] (55:47 - 55:55)
if it's not my job to just say, sorry, Jack, you can't go down to Ridgedales anymore because I don't feel like that's an appropriate place for you as your parent,

[Speaker 6] (55:55 - 56:06)
you have to go to a different place that doesn't sell alcohol to get your convenience rather than sending him to Ridgedales, rather than penalize you all and say you can't sell liquor.

[Speaker 6] (56:07 - 56:08)
So maybe it does change what

[Speaker 5] (56:08 - 56:09)
So,

[Speaker 6] (56:09 - 56:09)
that

[Speaker 5] (56:09 - 56:09)
but

[Speaker 6] (56:09 - 56:10)
place becomes.

[Speaker 5] (56:10 - 56:12)
so we penalize the kids of the town?

[Speaker 5] (56:13 - 56:15)
By not letting them go to the store?

[Speaker 4] (56:15 - 56:15)
Well the question comes

[Speaker 6] (56:15 - 56:16)
No,

[Speaker 5] (56:16 - 56:16)
like,

[Speaker 4] (56:16 - 56:16)
up,

[Speaker 6] (56:16 - 56:16)
no, that's

[Speaker 4] (56:16 - 56:16)
what is

[Speaker 5] (56:16 - 56:16)
is it

[Speaker 4] (56:16 - 56:16)
but the

[Speaker 6] (56:16 - 56:16)
the

[Speaker 4] (56:16 - 56:16)
question

[Speaker 5] (56:16 - 56:17)
that?

[Speaker 6] (56:17 - 56:19)
that comes as a parent, you make a decision,

[Speaker 5] (56:19 - 56:22)
To not let your kid go to the rich sale because we decided to let well, them sell

[Speaker 4] (56:22 - 56:23)
I think the question

[Speaker 5] (56:23 - 56:23)
liquor?

[Speaker 4] (56:23 - 56:24)
comes, what is the public good?

[Speaker 5] (56:25 - 56:26)
Well

[Speaker 4] (56:26 - 56:31)
Is it public good to say no kids can't go into a convenience store?

[Speaker 4] (56:32 - 56:36)
I think I think the public good is to have a broad range of

[Speaker 4] (56:38 - 56:43)
broad range of commerce and right now we you know what we have there is a convenience store.

[Speaker 2] (56:44 - 56:48)
But I think that you have a convenience store that sells beer and wine currently.

[Speaker 4] (56:48 - 56:48)
So Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (56:48 - 56:56)
an argument can be made, you know, Ms. Leonard just mentioned a high noon. You can't sell a high noon at this particular location. A high noon, you

[Speaker 4] (56:56 - 56:57)
But you can now,

[Speaker 2] (56:57 - 56:57)
would

[Speaker 4] (56:57 - 56:58)
right?

[Speaker 6] (56:58 - 56:58)
What

[Speaker 2] (56:58 - 56:58)
be

[Speaker 6] (56:58 - 56:59)
is a high noon?

[Speaker 2] (56:59 - 56:59)
able to.

[Speaker 4] (56:59 - 57:00)
That's what I'm

[Speaker 2] (57:00 - 57:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (57:00 - 57:00)
talking about.

[Speaker 2] (57:00 - 57:01)
high noon

[Speaker 6] (57:01 - 57:01)
It's

[Speaker 2] (57:01 - 57:01)
is

[Speaker 6] (57:01 - 57:01)
a hard seltzer.

[Speaker 2] (57:01 - 57:02)
a hard seltzer

[Speaker 4] (57:02 - 57:02)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 2] (57:04 - 57:11)
Yeah, so a hard seltzer with, you know, typically has alcohol between four and five percent when we're talking about.

[Speaker 4] (57:11 - 57:12)
That was our job.

[Speaker 7] (57:12 - 57:14)
Yeah, typing, okay,

[Speaker 2] (57:17 - 57:18)
Sorry, some technical difficulties.

[Speaker 2] (57:19 - 57:23)
High noons or, you know, these other key beverages,

[Speaker 2] (57:24 - 57:28)
you know, I mean we're talking about alcohol percentages that are, you know, that are reasonable.

[Speaker 2] (57:28 - 57:32)
Some of these double and triple IPAs have 8, 9, 10 percent alcohol wine

[Speaker 5] (57:32 - 57:33)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (57:33 - 57:37)
often has double-digit alcohol there.

[Speaker 2] (57:37 - 57:38)
So, I mean.

[Speaker 2] (57:39 - 57:47)
You don't have the ability to sell these Sun Cruisers or the high noons or any of those spiked seltzer drinks,

[Speaker 2] (57:47 - 57:50)
which are typically low alcohol drinks,

[Speaker 2] (57:50 - 57:52)
without an all alcohol license,

[Speaker 2] (57:52 - 57:57)
which from the first presentation was something that was really a focus.

[Speaker 1] (57:57 - 58:00)
Yeah, that's what's driving it more than anything.

[Speaker 3] (58:03 - 58:29)
I s I feel woefully unprepared with my contribution to the types of alcohol that we're gonna be discussing today, right. But um I will proceed uh because I don't I don't i now it seems clear to me that this is not the consensus seems to be it's not really an issue uh Chris if we accept what Chris said about the the rationale for what we can we we could decline we you know we could decline this. We have the right to do that. Sure.

[Speaker 3] (58:29 - 58:42)
per mr. Demento per Chris, you know, so it I I'll accept the fact that we could decline this and uh and people so I don't think we need to wait um to figure out whether or not we could decline this.

[Speaker 3] (58:42 - 58:47)
Could I just weigh in? Uh Valorant Test gives you a framework that would allow something to survive a challenge.

[Speaker 8] (58:48 - 58:54)
So Bill is right that we do have the ability to do this. However, if we do not look at it with a framework that

[Speaker 7] (58:54 - 58:54)
Right

[Speaker 8] (58:54 - 58:59)
actually identifies what's going on, then we will not survive an appeal.

[Speaker 8] (58:59 - 59:05)
So that is the rationale behind waiting is to understand what the framework is.

[Speaker 8] (59:05 - 59:30)
Not just the high points that he highlighted, but you know what we can conceivably be looking at and weighing against the public good or the density of licensing or any of these items that have been identified tonight. So the two things can be true, like yes we do have the right, or you do have the right to to do what you would like, it's a license that you grant. However, despite an appeal, we need to be thoughtful about what the things are that are most important to the board.

[Speaker 3] (59:30 - 59:34)
Yeah, I'm just taking into consideration that we've asked them to come back a second time already.

[Speaker 8] (59:34 - 59:34)
Ready.

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:45)
Now we're thinking about kind of having them come back a third time and you know I'm happy to take the risk that you know maybe we're just going to approve this right now and so there won't be an issue about an appeal.

[Speaker 1] (59:46 - 59:53)
So but I leave it up to the chair if you wish to you know postpone this again and have them come back again or take a vote.

[Speaker 2] (59:54 - 59:54)
You can make that as

[Speaker 3] (59:54 - 59:54)
Well

[Speaker 2] (59:54 - 59:54)
you

[Speaker 3] (59:54 - 59:54)
does

[Speaker 4] (59:54 - 59:55)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (59:55 - 59:59)
this uh does this affect their current license their regular beer and wine license?

[Speaker 4] (59:59 - 1:00:01)
No, they can continue to sell as they have been with

[Speaker 3] (1:00:01 - 1:00:02)
So their that only

[Speaker 4] (1:00:02 - 1:00:02)
current

[Speaker 3] (1:00:02 - 1:00:02)
affects

[Speaker 4] (1:00:02 - 1:00:02)
license.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:02 - 1:00:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:02 - 1:00:04)
Provided you renew that after after this.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:04 - 1:00:05)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:05 - 1:00:05)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:05 - 1:00:05)
right,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:05 - 1:00:05)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:00:05 - 1:00:06)
right, of

[Speaker 3] (1:00:06 - 1:00:06)
they

[Speaker 4] (1:00:06 - 1:00:06)
only course.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:06 - 1:00:08)
thing that it would affect Is is

[Speaker 4] (1:00:08 - 1:00:08)
their change

[Speaker 3] (1:00:08 - 1:00:08)
additional

[Speaker 4] (1:00:08 - 1:00:08)
from,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:08 - 1:00:09)
sales additional

[Speaker 4] (1:00:09 - 1:00:09)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:09 - 1:00:09)
sales

[Speaker 4] (1:00:09 - 1:00:10)
right.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:10 - 1:00:11)
over two weeks.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:11 - 1:00:11)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:12 - 1:00:18)
And I would say this, I mean, I think that, Doug, I take your point. They have been back.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:19 - 1:00:20)
I think that

[Speaker 4] (1:00:28 - 1:00:32)
I think that it is important that if we're talking about

[Speaker 4] (1:00:34 - 1:01:01)
not approving this or any other license that comes before us, that we're having that larger conversation in a context of the framework which Nick is talking about so that we understand if, for example, the state provides us with a certain number of licensing that's available to us, but if we as a town want to say we think we've reached the density in this area and we aren't interested in...

[Speaker 4] (1:01:01 - 1:01:02)
for whatever reason,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:02 - 1:01:04)
approving licenses in this area,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:04 - 1:01:21)
is that something that we could do within the legal parameters that are set forth by us to say that we feel like the licenses are dense enough in this area and we would not like to go forward. I think that framework is important, not just for this particular instance,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:21 - 1:01:23)
but for instances going forward.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:26 - 1:01:29)
I mean, I go back and forth because also I think.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:30 - 1:01:43)
to your point, Mr. Djurgus, if not you guys then somebody else. And if we can't regulate the areas or parameters based on the legal framework, then

[Speaker 4] (1:01:44 - 1:01:53)
we have to consider the applicant as the best applicant to come forward and make sure they maintain the standards that that we're saying he has been for the last nine years. So,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:53 - 1:01:54)
you know,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:54 - 1:01:54)
That's

[Speaker 4] (1:01:54 - 1:01:54)
pardon me.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:54 - 1:01:55)
that's my position clearly.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:55 - 1:01:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:57 - 1:01:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:57 - 1:01:58)
And let's just be clear.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:59 - 1:02:08)
If we're talking about in a town of fifteen thousand people putting in a one aisle that's six feet long, that's that's really what we're talking about here uh

[Speaker 3] (1:02:08 - 1:02:09)
In a very small

[Speaker 1] (1:02:09 - 1:02:09)
additional

[Speaker 3] (1:02:09 - 1:02:10)
store.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:11 - 1:02:14)
In a very small store. You're talking about one whole aisle in addition

[Speaker 4] (1:02:14 - 1:02:14)
And and behind

[Speaker 3] (1:02:14 - 1:02:15)
to the liquor

[Speaker 5] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
Come on.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
so

[Speaker 3] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
they already

[Speaker 4] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
it's behind

[Speaker 6] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
behind

[Speaker 3] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
have.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:15 - 1:02:16)
the counter.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:16 - 1:02:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:16 - 1:02:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:16 - 1:02:16)
It's a small deal.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:17 - 1:02:17)
They don't get it.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:17 - 1:02:17)
Twelve feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:17 - 1:02:18)
Six feet each

[Speaker 3] (1:02:18 - 1:02:18)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:02:18 - 1:02:18)
side.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:18 - 1:02:18)
is

[Speaker 5] (1:02:18 - 1:02:18)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:18 - 1:02:20)
And no, behind the counter, see here.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:21 - 1:02:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:21 - 1:02:21)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:21 - 1:02:21)
Eighteen.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:21 - 1:02:21)
Is

[Speaker 4] (1:02:21 - 1:02:24)
I'm not exasperating your point, but I'm just saying.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:24 - 1:02:30)
ownership also I'm I'm so sorry that I'm I'm a little confused on here, but is ownership changing?

[Speaker 6] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:30 - 1:02:31)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:31 - 1:02:31)
The management.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:31 - 1:02:36)
No, that the the structure of the ownership. They used to be two shareholders, there's only one now.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:36 - 1:02:37)
He b he was

[Speaker 5] (1:02:37 - 1:02:37)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (1:02:37 - 1:02:37)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:02:37 - 1:02:37)
bought you bought

[Speaker 1] (1:02:37 - 1:02:38)
yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
him out.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
Bought him

[Speaker 5] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
out.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:38 - 1:02:39)
he bought out bought out

[Speaker 4] (1:02:39 - 1:02:39)
Yes,

[Speaker 5] (1:02:39 - 1:02:40)
his partner.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:40 - 1:02:40)
the policy

[Speaker 3] (1:02:41 - 1:02:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:41 - 1:02:45)
Uh and that the and the uh manager has changed,

[Speaker 4] (1:02:45 - 1:02:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:45 - 1:02:50)
we want change the manager. So those are those are other aspects that we were asking for as well.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:50 - 1:02:50)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:02:50 - 1:02:51)
So we

[Speaker 3] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51)
is

[Speaker 5] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51)
we

[Speaker 3] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51)
Vinny

[Speaker 5] (1:02:51 - 1:02:52)
really would like really

[Speaker 3] (1:02:52 - 1:02:53)
Vinny the

[Speaker 5] (1:02:53 - 1:02:53)
have to

[Speaker 3] (1:02:53 - 1:02:53)
majority

[Speaker 5] (1:02:53 - 1:02:54)
have to shareholder? vote on Lowe's.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:54 - 1:02:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:54 - 1:02:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:54 - 1:02:56)
You're the majority shareholder?

[Speaker 4] (1:02:56 - 1:02:56)
No.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:56 - 1:02:56)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:56 - 1:02:57)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:57 - 1:02:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:57 - 1:02:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:58 - 1:02:58)
Bob is.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:58 - 1:02:59)
So you're the manager s alright,

[Speaker 4] (1:02:59 - 1:03:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00)
she's

[Speaker 3] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00)
there is it

[Speaker 5] (1:03:00 - 1:03:01)
the he's the manager.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:01 - 1:03:01)
manager?

[Speaker 4] (1:03:01 - 1:03:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:02 - 1:03:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:03 - 1:03:07)
So those things are happening simultaneously. There are the requests. There's

[Speaker 3] (1:03:07 - 1:03:07)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:07 - 1:03:08)
a change of manager,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:08 - 1:03:10)
there's a change of officer and director,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:10 - 1:03:11)
there's a change of stock interest,

[Speaker 3] (1:03:11 - 1:03:12)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:12 - 1:03:14)
and there is a change to the license.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:14 - 1:03:15)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:15 - 1:03:16)
So we can All take care

[Speaker 4] (1:03:16 - 1:03:16)
of those

[Speaker 5] (1:03:16 - 1:03:16)
that.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:16 - 1:03:18)
things. So you could vote to support,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:18 - 1:03:20)
approve the amendments of

[Speaker 4] (1:03:21 - 1:03:22)
All the shareholder pieces,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:22 - 1:03:23)
the officers,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:23 - 1:03:24)
the managers,

[Speaker 7] (1:03:24 - 1:03:24)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (1:03:24 - 1:03:24)
and

[Speaker 7] (1:03:24 - 1:03:24)
-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:24 - 1:03:30)
leave the expansion to liquor separate for the time being. You can choose to do that until we get the framework.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:32 - 1:03:33)
I'm fine with that.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:39 - 1:03:40)
motion then to be made.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:40 - 1:03:43)
Well, uh there's a motion on the p there's a motion on the floor. Is it is there

[Speaker 4] (1:03:43 - 1:03:44)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:03:44 - 1:03:44)
a motion on the floor?

[Speaker 4] (1:03:44 - 1:03:45)
yeah, there is not.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:45 - 1:03:45)
You didn't make a motion.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:45 - 1:03:46)
No.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:46 - 1:04:06)
All right, I'll I'll I'll motion to approve the multiple amendments to the existing section fifteen off premises wine and malt beverage license uh for four forty four Atlantic uh doing business as Richdale Swampskate, four forty four Humphrey Street, change of manager, officers, director and the change of stock interest as presented and we'll hold off on the

[Speaker 8] (1:04:07 - 1:04:15)
On the vote of an all alcohol license for now until we have the president until we have more information at our next meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:16 - 1:04:17)
Do I have a second?

[Speaker 3] (1:04:17 - 1:04:17)
I would second that.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:18 - 1:04:20)
All in favor of David's motion?

[Speaker 8] (1:04:21 - 1:04:21)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:21 - 1:04:21)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:04:21 - 1:04:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:22 - 1:04:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:22 - 1:04:22)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:23 - 1:04:26)
so we have approved everything but the owl alcohol piece,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:26 - 1:04:28)
and we will come back to discuss that,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:28 - 1:04:32)
and Marcie will be in contact with you about when that next meeting will be.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:32 - 1:04:39)
Um and uh we will take a motion to close the public hearing for the application of the multiple amendment.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:39 - 1:04:40)
So moved.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:40 - 1:04:40)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (1:04:40 - 1:04:43)
Well, one thing I think that might be a little bit helpful,

[Speaker 5] (1:04:43 - 1:04:47)
one of the things, you have to understand when you,

[Speaker 5] (1:04:47 - 1:04:54)
and I would suggest you look at the Ballarin case that Nick brought up, town administrator.

[Speaker 5] (1:04:54 - 1:04:58)
It's a case that involves a situation where

[Speaker 5] (1:04:58 - 1:05:04)
On Charles Street in Boston there were within a quarter

[Speaker 5] (1:05:06 - 1:05:27)
mile five restaurants that served full alcohol and the Balarin had a restaurant but only had a beer and wine license and they went in and said okay there's five restaurants within a quarter mile they all have full alcohol I don't.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:27 - 1:05:44)
They were opposing me for obvious reasons and again the test was whether it was reasonable under the circumstances to deny them and the decision is no it wasn't reasonable.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:44 - 1:05:53)
So you have to think about what's reasonable under the circumstance balancing all of the issues with reference to

[Speaker 5] (1:05:54 - 1:06:20)
uh it's not need that that's the that's the test the need is whether or not it's reasonable under the circumstances to allow such a a license so he said i would maintain that knowing these owners if if there's going to be another license in swamp sky passing up on having it be this one

[Speaker 5] (1:06:20 - 1:06:22)
Even with a condition,

[Speaker 5] (1:06:23 - 1:06:44)
imposing a condition that what they're showing you is all that they're going to use to sell their product is a golden opportunity to limit exposure to alcohol, if you will, within your three square miles.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:45 - 1:06:47)
And on that I'll be quiet.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:47 - 1:06:49)
Thank you. Appreciate that feedback.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:50 - 1:06:53)
Uh so all in favor to close uh the public hearing?

[Speaker 4] (1:06:54 - 1:06:54)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:54 - 1:06:54)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:54 - 1:06:54)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:55 - 1:06:57)
Alright, thank you very much and

[Speaker 9] (1:06:57 - 1:07:02)
Excuse me, just a point of clarification, if you don't mind. Uh will this be will you continue to a public hearing or

[Speaker 3] (1:07:02 - 1:07:02)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (1:07:02 - 1:07:03)
do you want us

[Speaker 3] (1:07:03 - 1:07:03)
continue.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:03 - 1:07:07)
to notice the meeting, you know, when you when you bring this back up again?

[Speaker 3] (1:07:07 - 1:07:08)
We need to reverse that.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:08 - 1:07:10)
Yeah. I was gonna

[Speaker 4] (1:07:10 - 1:07:12)
So because we closed the public hearing, we need to renotice that.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:12 - 1:07:15)
So, I'd like to make a motion to reverse that closure.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:16 - 1:07:16)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:17 - 1:07:17)
All in favor?

[Speaker 9] (1:07:17 - 1:07:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:17 - 1:07:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:18 - 1:07:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:07:18 - 1:07:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:18 - 1:07:22)
So we motion the motion on the table that we should be proposing is to

[Speaker 3] (1:07:22 - 1:07:22)
Temporarily

[Speaker 4] (1:07:22 - 1:07:22)
table

[Speaker 3] (1:07:22 - 1:07:22)
pause.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:22 - 1:07:24)
to to table

[Speaker 8] (1:07:24 - 1:07:24)
Continue.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:24 - 1:07:29)
to continue. Thank you, David, the public hearing until the next select board meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:29 - 1:07:30)
So moved.

[Speaker 10] (1:07:30 - 1:07:31)
January 7th.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:31 - 1:07:32)
January seventh. Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:07:32 - 1:07:32)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:32 - 1:07:32)
you.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:32 - 1:07:33)
January what?

[Speaker 3] (1:07:34 - 1:07:34)
Seven.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:34 - 1:07:34)
Seven.

[Speaker 10] (1:07:34 - 1:07:35)
Seven.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:35 - 1:07:38)
Seven. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor?

[Speaker 3] (1:07:38 - 1:07:39)
Aye. Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:39 - 1:07:41)
Aye. So we have tabled

[Speaker 8] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:07:41 - 1:07:43)
the conversation just on this piece until the seventh.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:44 - 1:07:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:46 - 1:07:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:50 - 1:07:51)
I do think it's important,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:52 - 1:07:52)
Nick I know you're leaving,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:53 - 1:08:10)
but I do think it's important that we understand the definition of reasonableness as when we're understanding and maybe I'm sure KP will write us a memo and tell us the parameters of reasonableness that we can utilize that we feel like are stronger.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:12 - 1:08:14)
for appeal,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:14 - 1:08:14)
not

[Speaker 1] (1:08:14 - 1:08:15)
I will go.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:15 - 1:08:15)
like

[Speaker 1] (1:08:15 - 1:08:16)
I'll make sure that

[Speaker 4] (1:08:16 - 1:08:16)
all those

[Speaker 9] (1:08:16 - 1:08:16)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:08:16 - 1:08:16)
happen.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:16 - 1:08:17)
we can just understand.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:18 - 1:08:27)
Okay, we are moving on then to more thank you so much to discussion impossible vote to renew annual liquor licenses,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:28 - 1:08:29)
common vitriol license,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:29 - 1:08:32)
entertainment and class two licenses.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:33 - 1:08:37)
That's it. I'll just make a brief introduction. So Tim,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:37 - 1:08:37)
Marcy,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:38 - 1:08:41)
Diane have gone through this a number of times today so hopefully we're in good shape.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:41 - 1:08:52)
I just want to highlight that in the printed documents that was as of last Thursday when we printed these so the red ones that still required some that's in front of the presentation I believe.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:53 - 1:09:01)
The red ones were the ones that still required some action whether it was effects that needed to be received, inspections or something like that so that number has narrowed.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:02 - 1:09:09)
And the number of businesses that we still require either more action or information from is much narrower and Tim can speak to that.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:09 - 1:09:16)
I just wanted to highlight in case you were looking at this document that we've continued to try to close out all these open items since this was printed.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:17 - 1:09:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:19 - 1:09:23)
So I think my colleagues can push me if I'm wrong,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:23 - 1:09:27)
but I don't think that we have a need to go back to the presentation.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:27 - 1:09:29)
I think as long as it's clear.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:41 - 1:09:43)
You just, you guys have uh

[Speaker 1] (1:09:43 - 1:09:45)
where the tab is, Doug?

[Speaker 3] (1:09:45 - 1:09:46)
You have the red.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:46 - 1:09:47)
In you over mills.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:47 - 1:09:47)
You have the red.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:48 - 1:09:48)
Well, that.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:48 - 1:09:48)
That okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:48 - 1:09:51)
Okay. Can Uh can I ask a question?

[Speaker 1] (1:09:51 - 1:09:51)
please.

[Speaker 5] (1:09:52 - 1:09:56)
So we're talking about annual license renewals. We're looking at liquor licenses.

[Speaker 5] (1:09:57 - 1:10:07)
G and little g fall under one liquor license, but for the common vic and the entertainment license they're two separate licenses. Can we get an explanation as to why that is?

[Speaker 6] (1:10:07 - 1:10:09)
Absolutely happy to do that.

[Speaker 6] (1:10:09 - 1:10:13)
The liquor license was issued because the building is adjacent,

[Speaker 6] (1:10:13 - 1:10:19)
so it's considered the Alcohol Beverage Control Commission is able to issue one license.

[Speaker 6] (1:10:19 - 1:10:45)
license for the two entities. The building department because of occupancy requirements and the need for additional firewalls between the the establishments they created a maximum amount for occupancy and the best way to address that in regards to the recommendations from the building department is to have two separate occupancy maximums and max for each of the buildings.

[Speaker 6] (1:10:45 - 1:10:49)
Therefore, we would request two separate common victuals license.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:50 - 1:10:52)
Okay. But for entertainment purposes,

[Speaker 5] (1:10:52 - 1:10:54)
like if they're probably on the same...

[Speaker 5] (1:10:56 - 1:11:03)
DirecTV or YouTube TV. I mean, we're we're gonna charge them up. I'm I'm just I'm I'm just I'm just asking it

[Speaker 6] (1:11:03 - 1:11:03)
Now,

[Speaker 5] (1:11:03 - 1:11:04)
just it just seems

[Speaker 6] (1:11:04 - 1:11:07)
happy to respond to that. So similar to the liquor license,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:08 - 1:11:12)
we're treating the entertainment license such as that, that they'll only have one entertainment license,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:12 - 1:11:18)
one liquor license, but two separate common pictureless licenses.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:19 - 1:11:25)
Oh, it does say though that G in little g required two entertainment licenses despite needing only one liquor license.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:26 - 1:11:28)
So it looks like they have two common Vic,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:28 - 1:11:30)
two entertainment, but only one liquor license.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:31 - 1:11:31)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:35 - 1:11:35)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:11:36 - 1:11:39)
It would seem to me like, at least from an entertainment perspective,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:39 - 1:11:40)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:11:40 - 1:11:40)
Me too.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:40 - 1:11:43)
vibe is different.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:43 - 1:11:45)
There are TVs at little G.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:45 - 1:11:47)
They're not really, there's not TVs at G.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:47 - 1:11:52)
There's trivia and bands being played at little G. That's not happening at G.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:53 - 1:11:55)
So it would seem like to me that there's sort of

[Speaker 6] (1:11:56 - 1:11:56)
Should the strength

[Speaker 1] (1:11:56 - 1:11:56)
two separate

[Speaker 6] (1:11:56 - 1:11:57)
separate?

[Speaker 1] (1:11:57 - 1:11:59)
and apart situations.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:00 - 1:12:01)
But

[Speaker 5] (1:12:02 - 1:12:02)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:12:02 - 1:12:02)
An

[Speaker 5] (1:12:02 - 1:12:02)
don't

[Speaker 1] (1:12:02 - 1:12:03)
observation,

[Speaker 5] (1:12:03 - 1:12:03)
no, I'm just,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:03 - 1:12:03)
not a

[Speaker 5] (1:12:03 - 1:12:04)
yeah, I'm just asking,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04)
recommendation.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:04 - 1:12:12)
I'm just asking the question, since we have you know since you have you know one liquor license because they're adjacent, now they're they're still adjacent, but they're separate.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:12 - 1:12:14)
Right, are they are they two different companies?

[Speaker 4] (1:12:14 - 1:12:14)
Right, that's

[Speaker 6] (1:12:14 - 1:12:15)
No, it's under one com

[Speaker 4] (1:12:15 - 1:12:15)
No,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:15 - 1:12:16)
the same

[Speaker 4] (1:12:16 - 1:12:16)
it's the

[Speaker 6] (1:12:16 - 1:12:16)
company.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:16 - 1:12:16)
same one, I think.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:16 - 1:12:17)
It's all one company.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:17 - 1:12:17)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:12:17 - 1:12:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:18 - 1:12:18)
correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:18 - 1:12:18)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:12:18 - 1:12:22)
A fr but I will say the ABCC is what's going to control the liquor license.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:22 - 1:12:22)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:22 - 1:12:22)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:22 - 1:12:22)
We that are just

[Speaker 2] (1:12:22 - 1:12:23)
one's easy. I mean, if

[Speaker 1] (1:12:23 - 1:12:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:23 - 1:12:23)
they're all

[Speaker 1] (1:12:23 - 1:12:24)
that

[Speaker 2] (1:12:24 - 1:12:24)
one

[Speaker 1] (1:12:24 - 1:12:24)
one's

[Speaker 2] (1:12:24 - 1:12:24)
company,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:24 - 1:12:24)
the safest

[Speaker 2] (1:12:24 - 1:12:24)
there's only one

[Speaker 1] (1:12:24 - 1:12:25)
one.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:25 - 1:12:25)
license. So

[Speaker 1] (1:12:25 - 1:12:30)
But we control the common vitulars and the entertainment licenses, they're under our authority. So

[Speaker 1] (1:12:30 - 1:12:32)
So if we tell them they need two they need two.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:32 - 1:12:33)
Excuse me.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:34 - 1:12:35)
Why?

[Speaker 4] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
They

[Speaker 2] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
They're

[Speaker 4] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
don't.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:35 - 1:12:37)
one company. Why are we telling them it's two?

[Speaker 4] (1:12:37 - 1:12:38)
Exactly.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:38 - 1:12:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:39 - 1:12:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:39 - 1:12:45)
So that just goes back to the built-in department as I mentioned to you because of the occupancy requirements and fire code.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:46 - 1:12:50)
So is that a new development under this building commissioner or has it always been that way?

[Speaker 8] (1:12:52 - 1:12:54)
I don't have that answer. I can ask Rich.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:55 - 1:12:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:57 - 1:12:57)
Oh wow.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:58 - 1:12:59)
Did they have two

[Speaker 7] (1:12:59 - 1:12:59)
Is

[Speaker 8] (1:12:59 - 1:12:59)
last

[Speaker 7] (1:12:59 - 1:12:59)
there a year? way that

[Speaker 1] (1:12:59 - 1:13:00)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:13:00 - 1:13:00)
we can

[Speaker 1] (1:13:00 - 1:13:00)
believe

[Speaker 7] (1:13:00 - 1:13:00)
be

[Speaker 1] (1:13:00 - 1:13:00)
they had one

[Speaker 7] (1:13:00 - 1:13:00)
last

[Speaker 1] (1:13:00 - 1:13:01)
last

[Speaker 7] (1:13:01 - 1:13:01)
in year the last

[Speaker 1] (1:13:01 - 1:13:01)
actually.

[Speaker 7] (1:13:01 - 1:13:01)
year.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:01 - 1:13:02)
I believe we approved

[Speaker 4] (1:13:02 - 1:13:02)
They did.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:02 - 1:13:03)
two last year.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:03 - 1:13:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:03 - 1:13:04)
Yeah, they they

[Speaker 8] (1:13:04 - 1:13:04)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:13:04 - 1:13:05)
took home

[Speaker 8] (1:13:05 - 1:13:05)
a renewal,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:05 - 1:13:05)
a new choice that

[Speaker 8] (1:13:05 - 1:13:05)
so

[Speaker 1] (1:13:05 - 1:13:05)
did have

[Speaker 8] (1:13:05 - 1:13:06)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:13:06 - 1:13:06)
two.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:06 - 1:13:06)
believe that it

[Speaker 6] (1:13:06 - 1:13:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:06 - 1:13:08)
would have predated Rich.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:12 - 1:13:16)
Can we talk about these outstanding issues that are not with G and little,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:16 - 1:13:16)
or

[Speaker 6] (1:13:16 - 1:13:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
G and little g,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
Why don't

[Speaker 5] (1:13:17 - 1:13:18)
but with

[Speaker 1] (1:13:18 - 1:13:18)
we start with the liquor

[Speaker 5] (1:13:18 - 1:13:18)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:18 - 1:13:18)
license

[Speaker 5] (1:13:18 - 1:13:19)
the liquor

[Speaker 1] (1:13:19 - 1:13:19)
too?

[Speaker 5] (1:13:19 - 1:13:19)
licenses, please.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:20 - 1:13:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:20 - 1:13:21)
So can we

[Speaker 8] (1:13:22 - 1:13:24)
There's a lot of liquor flowing around this community.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:25 - 1:13:27)
Talk about Mexicali and Paradiso.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:28 - 1:13:30)
Yes, so we can start with Mexicali first.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:31 - 1:13:34)
Regarding the building department that these are the outstanding issues,

[Speaker 8] (1:13:34 - 1:13:40)
this is a letter that was sent to them on December 11th that was dropped off in person. I believe this is actually the second notice that they had gotten.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:42 - 1:13:47)
The current outstanding issues are to submit a current test report of the fire alarm,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:47 - 1:13:48)
sprinkler system,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:48 - 1:13:49)
and emergency lights and exit signage,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:50 - 1:13:57)
have the fire extinguishers in kitchen and soil system serviced and tagged approved by a licensed testing company,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:57 - 1:14:01)
install required push bar or hardware on the rear exit door of the exterior,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:01 - 1:14:02)
repair...

[Speaker 5] (1:14:03 - 1:14:22)
hold the door closer to the top of the frame and remove unapproved lock maintain a clear path of travel to all exits there are obstructions in storage blocking safe access to the rear egress there are some there there's a it goes into greater detail as well also there is storage piled in front of the electrical service preventing the required service area of 30 inches correct

[Speaker 4] (1:14:22 - 1:14:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:14:25)
And that is for Mexicali, correct?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:25 - 1:14:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:26 - 1:14:28)
And you said it was dropped off and mailed?

[Speaker 5] (1:14:28 - 1:14:30)
It was dropped off in person.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:30 - 1:14:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:31 - 1:14:35)
And we also have reached out to them personally several times via the phone to the manager.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:36 - 1:14:38)
Have we got any response at all to what

[Speaker 6] (1:14:38 - 1:14:38)
No.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:38 - 1:14:40)
they're doing or what the status is?

[Speaker 7] (1:14:40 - 1:14:40)
Nothing.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:41 - 1:14:42)
Hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
And

[Speaker 7] (1:14:42 - 1:14:43)
What about Paradisa?

[Speaker 8] (1:14:43 - 1:14:43)
Paradisa.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:43 - 1:14:44)
Paradisa.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
Paradiso.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
Paradiso.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:44 - 1:14:47)
For Paradiso, they just need to submit.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:48 - 1:14:58)
Similar to Mexico, they just had the one test report of the fire alarm sprinkler system and emergency lights and signage, sorry, just the fire alarm and the sprinkler system test report. That's what they need to submit.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:59 - 1:15:04)
They don't need to be reinspected, they just need to submit that report, which from what Rich said sounds like they will be doing that tomorrow.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:04 - 1:15:08)
So Tim Marzey, so we can we could we could potentially approve this subject to?

[Speaker 7] (1:15:08 - 1:15:09)
Yeah, that's correct.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:09 - 1:15:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:09 - 1:15:11)
We have done that in the past.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:11 - 1:15:11)
Excellent.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:12 - 1:15:12)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:12 - 1:15:13)
Okay, so I will

[Speaker 1] (1:15:16 - 1:15:18)
I will read the motion so we get it right.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:18 - 1:15:26)
The motion on the table would be a motion to approve the 2026 liquor licenses as follows and allow the select board to affix signatures electronically.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:28 - 1:15:31)
Full approval. The following applicants have met the statutory requirements,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:31 - 1:15:32)
completed all inspections,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:32 - 1:15:34)
submitted all necessary documentation,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:34 - 1:15:39)
and paid all required fees and shall receive full approval of their liquor license. Andrea's Taqueria,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:39 - 1:15:41)
646 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:41 - 1:15:41)
Aries Express.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:42 - 1:15:43)
408 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:43 - 1:15:46)
4L Street Liquors at 205 4L Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:46 - 1:15:48)
Cafe Avelino at 242 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:49 - 1:15:52)
Chi Asian Cuisine at 435 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:52 - 1:15:56)
Dockside Pub at 286 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:56 - 1:15:58)
G-Bar and Kitchen at 256 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:59 - 1:16:01)
Gourmet Garden at 430 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:01 - 1:16:04)
Mission on the Bay at 141 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:04 - 1:16:06)
New York Haven at 408 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:06 - 1:16:08)
Pomona 2 at 128 Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:08 - 1:16:11)
Richdale Swampscott at 444 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:11 - 1:16:14)
Sam Walker's American Tavern at 450 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:15 - 1:16:15)
St.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:15 - 1:16:19)
John the Baptist Club at 40 Burpee Terrace, Swampscott Club at 362 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:20 - 1:16:22)
Swampscott Liquors at 646 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:23 - 1:16:25)
Swampscott Yacht Club at 443 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:26 - 1:16:29)
Tyrofic by the Sea Asian Cuisine at 146 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:29 - 1:16:32)
VFW Post 1240 at 10 New Ocean Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:32 - 1:16:34)
and Vinnin Square Liquors at

[Speaker 1] (1:16:34 - 1:16:51)
At 371 Paradise Road and that we would conditionally approve applicants identified as having outstanding compliance items such as unpaid fees pending inspections incomplete documentation outstanding violations or other unresolved administrative issues and they're receiving conditional approval tonight contingent upon resolving all matters.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:52 - 1:16:55)
To the satisfaction of both the building commissioner and the community development staff,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:56 - 1:16:57)
no later than December 29,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:57 - 1:16:58)
2025.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:59 - 1:17:09)
Failure to resolve such issues by the deadline will result in an automatic suspension or denial of the license and that's Mexicali Cantina at 443 Paradise Road and Paradiso Restaurant at 15 Railroad Ave.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:09 - 1:17:10)
So moved.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:11 - 1:17:12)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:12 - 1:17:14)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 4] (1:17:14 - 1:17:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:14 - 1:17:15)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:15 - 1:17:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:17 - 1:17:23)
Next on to the common vitriolars license, we can start with the outstanding issues, Tim, if you wouldn't mind.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:23 - 1:17:33)
Similarly highlighted Mexicali Grill and Paradiso for the previously mentioned issues. The other two outstanding issues are Flip the Bird and Whole Foods.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:33 - 1:17:35)
Both of them just have submitted applications,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:35 - 1:17:36)
but we're waiting on the checks in the mail.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:36 - 1:17:38)
We don't have the fees.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:38 - 1:17:39)
They haven't paid the fees yet.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:39 - 1:17:39)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:39 - 1:17:40)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:40 - 1:17:40)
very good.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:41 - 1:17:51)
Um, so the motion I would entertain for this is a motion to approve the 2026 Common Vichulars Licenses as follows and allows Select Board to affix electronic signatures.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:51 - 1:17:56)
Full approval of the following applicants have met the statutory requirements, completed all inspections,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:56 - 1:18:02)
submitted all necessary documentation and paid all required fees and shall receive full approval of their 2026 Common Vichulars Licenses.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:02 - 1:18:05)
Andrea's Taqueria, 646 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:05 - 1:18:05)
Boothsbury,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:05 - 1:18:06)
160 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:07 - 1:18:08)
Cafe Avelino,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:08 - 1:18:09)
242 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:09 - 1:18:10)
Captain Pizza,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:10 - 1:18:10)
3 Railroad Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:10 - 1:18:11)
Railroad Ave,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:11 - 1:18:14)
Chi Asian Cuisine at 435 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:14 - 1:18:16)
Chipotle Mexican Grill at 450 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:16 - 1:18:17)
Cindy's Soup Rev,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:17 - 1:18:19)
653 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:19 - 1:18:22)
Cookie Monsta at 505 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:22 - 1:18:27)
Dockside Pub and Grill at 286 Humphrey Street, Domino's Pizza at 430 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:27 - 1:18:30)
Dunkin' at 980 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:30 - 1:18:31)
Five Guys at 980 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:32 - 1:18:36)
G Bar and Kitchen at 256 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:36 - 1:18:37)
Gourmet Garden at 430 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:37 - 1:18:38)
Ice Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:38 - 1:18:40)
Little G at 250 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:40 - 1:18:43)
Jersey Mike's Sub at 425 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:43 - 1:18:48)
Lincoln's Landing at 156 Humphrey Street, Mission on the Bay at 141 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:48 - 1:18:50)
New York Haven at 408 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:50 - 1:18:52)
OYO Frozen Yogurt at 136 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:52 - 1:18:55)
Panera Bread at 433 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:55 - 1:18:57)
Pomona 2 at 128 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:57 - 1:19:01)
Popo's Hot Dog slash Kale's Cream at 168 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:01 - 1:19:04)
Kojoba at Mexican Eats at 1016 Paradise Road, Renzo's

[Speaker 1] (1:19:04 - 1:19:06)
Zoso's Pizza at 197 Essex Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:06 - 1:19:09)
Sam Walker's American Tavern at 450 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:09 - 1:19:11)
Starbucks at 450 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:11 - 1:19:11)
St.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:11 - 1:19:17)
John the Baptist Club at 40 Burpee Terrace, Swampscott Senior Center at 200 R Essex Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:18 - 1:19:21)
Swampscott Yacht Club at 425 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:21 - 1:19:23)
Tyreific by the Sea at 146 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:23 - 1:19:24)
The Beach Club at 80 Shepard Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:25 - 1:19:30)
350 at 222 Humphrey Street, Tropical Smoothie Cafe at 450 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:30 - 1:19:32)
Tony Alina Sandwich Shop at 88 Cherry Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:32 - 1:19:34)
the VFW Post 1240,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:34 - 1:19:35)
10 New Ocean Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:35 - 1:19:39)
Polo Craft Pizza at 152 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:46)
and Conditional Approval applicants are identified as having outstanding compliance issues such as unpaid fees and shall receive conditional approval.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:46 - 1:20:03)
final approval contingent upon resolving all the outstanding matters to satisfaction of the building commissioner and the community development staff no later than December 29th. Failure to resolve such issues by the deadline will result in automatic suspension or denial of the license. Flip the bird at 450 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:03 - 1:20:06)
Mexicali Cantina and Grill at 443 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:07 - 1:20:08)
Fair Deceaux Restaurant at 15 Railroad Ave,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:09 - 1:20:11)
and Whole Foods at 331 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:11 - 1:20:12)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:13 - 1:20:14)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:14 - 1:20:15)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 4] (1:20:15 - 1:20:15)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:15 - 1:20:15)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:15 - 1:20:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:16 - 1:20:16)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:16 - 1:20:24)
Okay, finally moving to the entertainment licenses of which the same four folks

[Speaker 1] (1:20:25 - 1:20:27)
are outstanding.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:27 - 1:20:30)
I would assume you're going to tell me the same thing, right Tim?

[Speaker 5] (1:20:30 - 1:20:30)
I sure am.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:30 - 1:20:37)
Okay. So flip the board and hope the Leeds have yet to pay their fee and Mexicali and Paradiso have unresolved issues with the building commissioner.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:38 - 1:20:47)
So the motion would be, I motion to approve the 2026 Entertainment License as follows and allow the Select Board to affix electronic signatures.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:47 - 1:20:51)
Full approval, meaning applicants have met all the statutory requirements,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:51 - 1:20:52)
paid all the fees.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:53 - 1:21:19)
for their entertainment license Andrea's Taqueria 646 Humphrey Street Cafe Avelino 242 Humphrey Street Chee Asian Cuisine at 435 Paradise Road Cindy's Suprette at 653 Humphrey Street Dockside Pub in 286 Humphrey Street G Bar and Kitchen at 256 Humphrey Street Gourmet Garden at 435 Paradise Road Mission on the Bay at 141 Humphrey Street North Haven at 408 Humphrey Street Pomona 2

[Speaker 1] (1:21:19 - 1:21:20)
at 128 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:20 - 1:21:23)
Sam Walker's American Tavern at 450 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:23 - 1:21:23)
St.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:23 - 1:21:29)
John the Baptist Club at 40 Burpee Terrace, Swampscot Club at 362 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:29 - 1:21:31)
Swampscot Yacht Club at 425 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:32 - 1:21:34)
Tyricfic by the C Asian Cuisine at 146 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:35 - 1:21:36)
the Beach Club at 80 Shepherd Ave,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:36 - 1:21:39)
350 Bakery at 222 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:39 - 1:21:44)
the VFW Post 1240 at 8 Pine Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:45 - 1:21:45)
Um

[Speaker 6] (1:21:47 - 1:21:48)
Condition.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:48 - 1:21:53)
Sorry I'm just reading and looking for I do not see

[Speaker 1] (1:21:54 - 1:22:05)
J should be on here twice because it has an inter two entertainment licenses. So it should also say

[Speaker 7] (1:22:05 - 1:22:06)
A little G_

[Speaker 1] (1:22:06 - 1:22:08)
little G_ at

[Speaker 7] (1:22:08 - 1:22:08)
Two fifty.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:08 - 1:22:09)
250 Humphrey

[Speaker 6] (1:22:09 - 1:22:10)
It doesn't see.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:10 - 1:22:12)
street so that would be included in the motion.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:13 - 1:22:40)
And then conditional approval where applicants are identified as having outstanding compliance items such as unpaid fees or unresolved issues with the either the building commissioner or community development and they'll receive conditional approval contingent upon resolving outstanding matters to the satisfaction of both building commissioner and the community development office no later than December 29th. Failure to resolve such issues by the deadline will result in automatic suspension or denial of the license and that is flip the bird at 450 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:41 - 1:22:49)
Mexicali Cantina and Grill of 443 Paradise Road, Paradiso Restaurant at 15 Railroad Ave, and Whole Foods at 331 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 8] (1:22:49 - 1:22:50)
So moved.

[Speaker 9] (1:22:51 - 1:22:51)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:52 - 1:22:53)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 10] (1:22:53 - 1:22:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 11] (1:22:53 - 1:22:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (1:22:53 - 1:22:58)
I still think it's ridiculous that we're charging for televisions. But that's that's my position, but

[Speaker 1] (1:22:58 - 1:23:08)
We should take that up not at the conversation we renew licenses, David, because I don't think you're wrong. Um it is just a tough conversation to have when we're trying

[Speaker 10] (1:23:08 - 1:23:08)
No, fun.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:08 - 1:23:09)
to at the end of the year.

[Speaker 10] (1:23:09 - 1:23:10)
Absolutely. Understood.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:10 - 1:23:12)
So maybe we can have uh

[Speaker 12] (1:23:12 - 1:23:13)
January seven then.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:13 - 1:23:16)
I think maybe we wait till the week after,

[Speaker 12] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
maybe

[Speaker 11] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
two

[Speaker 11] (1:23:16 - 1:23:17)
you weeks know what,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:17 - 1:23:17)
after

[Speaker 11] (1:23:17 - 1:23:18)
I also want to talk about

[Speaker 13] (1:23:18 - 1:23:22)
I mean, the equity in the fees, just to get an understanding.

[Speaker 14] (1:23:22 - 1:23:23)
Oh jeez.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:23 - 1:23:24)
The equity in the fees?

[Speaker 13] (1:23:24 - 1:23:25)
Yeah, not for tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:29)
We'll expand on that just so Nick has some direction.

[Speaker 13] (1:23:29 - 1:23:36)
Uh so you have large establishments paying the same fee, a similar fee to an establishment maybe tr

[Speaker 13] (1:23:36 - 1:23:38)
that's one third the size.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:38 - 1:23:44)
Okay. So maybe taking a look at some neighbouring peers or super peers and see how they handle

[Speaker 1] (1:23:45 - 1:23:45)
Some

[Speaker 13] (1:23:45 - 1:23:45)
It's a different

[Speaker 1] (1:23:45 - 1:23:45)
of the pictures

[Speaker 13] (1:23:45 - 1:23:46)
situation.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:52)
and um entertainment make sure we're sort of in line um

[Speaker 15] (1:23:53 - 1:23:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:54 - 1:23:55)
that would be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:57 - 1:23:59)
Thanks. Thank you Margie and Tim.

[Speaker 13] (1:23:59 - 1:24:00)
Thanks, Tim.

[Speaker 15] (1:24:00 - 1:24:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:01 - 1:24:08)
Alright, moving on to item three on the agenda which is an update on ARPA funds.

[Speaker 15] (1:24:09 - 1:24:13)
So at the last meeting we had a brief discussion about

[Speaker 15] (1:24:14 - 1:24:30)
Following the Kleinfelder presentation about potentially participating in additional work with Kleinfelder in the city of Lynn, can you put up the slide, the first one? And so one of the requests I think was for a rundown of the opera funds. Just two quick slides,

[Speaker 15] (1:24:30 - 1:24:35)
I think you have them both in front of you. The first one is the local fiscal recovery funds,

[Speaker 15] (1:24:35 - 1:24:40)
which are the ones that were completely in your control and have to be expended at the end of this calendar year.

[Speaker 15] (1:24:41 - 1:24:56)
Um it lists all the decisions that were made previously there. Uh I don't know how much detail we really wanna go into. These are not things that we can change at this point, but I wanted to give you those summary and down of where the funds went in the larger pockets here. And as you can see, thank you um

[Speaker 15] (1:24:58 - 1:25:05)
what does it say atop the the last vote that you all took on this was December thirtieth of twenty four to um make sure that

[Speaker 15] (1:25:06 - 1:25:14)
Everything was obligated and able to move forward and be expended and we are almost completely there. Patrick's confident that we will spend all of it.

[Speaker 15] (1:25:15 - 1:25:15)
If you have

[Speaker 13] (1:25:15 - 1:25:16)
So that five percent?

[Speaker 13] (1:25:16 - 1:25:17)
Is that what we're

[Speaker 15] (1:25:17 - 1:25:17)
That's

[Speaker 13] (1:25:17 - 1:25:18)
talking about?

[Speaker 15] (1:25:18 - 1:25:25)
sort of the last of bills to come in. There might be some that would get returned, but we're very close to expending it all and the items that were required.

[Speaker 13] (1:25:25 - 1:25:29)
Can you send us out the breakdown of what's still out there? I don't In yeah.

[Speaker 15] (1:25:29 - 1:25:30)
that five percent?

[Speaker 10] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
Sure.

[Speaker 15] (1:25:30 - 1:25:32)
Okay. I don't have it in front of me, but I'll be happy to send it.

[Speaker 13] (1:25:32 - 1:25:40)
And then in any event that five percent looks like it might not get spended, what's the what's the day we have to pull the trigger to move it into another category?

[Speaker 15] (1:25:41 - 1:25:43)
I, we've already missed the date

[Speaker 13] (1:25:43 - 1:25:43)
I for think we

[Speaker 15] (1:25:43 - 1:25:43)
we

[Speaker 13] (1:25:43 - 1:25:43)
can't

[Speaker 15] (1:25:43 - 1:25:43)
which it

[Speaker 13] (1:25:43 - 1:25:44)
it goes back

[Speaker 15] (1:25:44 - 1:25:44)
would not to have

[Speaker 13] (1:25:44 - 1:25:44)
the government.

[Speaker 15] (1:25:44 - 1:25:47)
or it needs to be expended by the end of this year.

[Speaker 13] (1:25:47 - 1:25:48)
I think So it goes back.

[Speaker 15] (1:25:48 - 1:25:49)
the movement of it was last year.

[Speaker 13] (1:25:49 - 1:25:50)
By the end of?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:51 - 1:25:51)
2024,

[Speaker 15] (1:25:51 - 1:25:51)
Twenty five.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:51 - 1:25:52)
that's what we did.

[Speaker 16] (1:25:52 - 1:25:54)
Uh I don't think that's quite technically correct.

[Speaker 13] (1:25:54 - 1:25:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 15] (1:25:54 - 1:25:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 16] (1:25:54 - 1:25:55)
Um

[Speaker 13] (1:25:55 - 1:25:56)
It's not my understanding.

[Speaker 16] (1:25:56 - 1:26:03)
uh what we were advised could be wrong was that um we established the categories

[Speaker 16] (1:26:03 - 1:26:10)
And if they were unexpended funds of a relatively de minimis amount, they could be moved around within the established categories.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:11 - 1:26:12)
The buckets we had already established.

[Speaker 16] (1:26:12 - 1:26:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 16] (1:26:14 - 1:26:14)
So

[Speaker 13] (1:26:14 - 1:26:14)
Then again,

[Speaker 16] (1:26:14 - 1:26:14)
thank

[Speaker 13] (1:26:14 - 1:26:15)
we could have been given

[Speaker 16] (1:26:15 - 1:26:16)
you for that uh

[Speaker 13] (1:26:16 - 1:26:16)
bad

[Speaker 15] (1:26:16 - 1:26:16)
Now,

[Speaker 16] (1:26:16 - 1:26:16)
clarification

[Speaker 13] (1:26:16 - 1:26:16)
advice.

[Speaker 16] (1:26:16 - 1:26:18)
of what I just said, okay?

[Speaker 15] (1:26:20 - 1:26:21)
So

[Speaker 15] (1:26:21 - 1:26:22)
I'll look into that with

[Speaker 10] (1:26:22 - 1:26:22)
Whatever,

[Speaker 15] (1:26:22 - 1:26:23)
Patty. Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:23 - 1:26:23)
I mean

[Speaker 15] (1:26:23 - 1:26:26)
it's within the buckets that exist as opposed to finding a new bucket.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:26 - 1:26:26)
Exactly.

[Speaker 15] (1:26:26 - 1:26:30)
So that is what I was missing in my inarticulate response to the first question.

[Speaker 15] (1:26:31 - 1:26:35)
We cannot identify new buckets to change it to. We can move between and amongst. That's what I'll talk to Patrick about.

[Speaker 13] (1:26:36 - 1:26:36)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:36 - 1:26:39)
So we don't even know if we're going to really have unexpended, but

[Speaker 15] (1:26:39 - 1:26:42)
I do not think that it will be significant,

[Speaker 15] (1:26:42 - 1:26:44)
but I will make sure that we talk about it tomorrow.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:45 - 1:26:47)
So, so Nick.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:47 - 1:26:55)
So we have, you know, so everything has been spoken for and allocated, but what has actually been spent not spent as of today?

[Speaker 13] (1:26:56 - 1:26:56)
It

[Speaker 15] (1:26:56 - 1:27:01)
In this first slide, that last five percent is what has not been spent. Everything else has it

[Speaker 13] (1:27:01 - 1:27:02)
But

[Speaker 15] (1:27:02 - 1:27:02)
was

[Speaker 13] (1:27:02 - 1:27:02)
we allocate

[Speaker 15] (1:27:02 - 1:27:03)
I have

[Speaker 13] (1:27:03 - 1:27:03)
it in a bucket.

[Speaker 15] (1:27:03 - 1:27:05)
that I don't have.

[Speaker 13] (1:27:05 - 1:27:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 15] (1:27:05 - 1:27:05)
I have

[Speaker 13] (1:27:05 - 1:27:05)
never the mind.

[Speaker 15] (1:27:05 - 1:27:08)
large number here. I don't know. So you're saying like

[Speaker 10] (1:27:08 - 1:27:08)
The big picture.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:09 - 1:27:12)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do see the big picture. Okay, got

[Speaker 13] (1:27:12 - 1:27:12)
So

[Speaker 10] (1:27:12 - 1:27:12)
it.

[Speaker 13] (1:27:12 - 1:27:14)
it's about $220,000 roughly,

[Speaker 13] (1:27:14 - 1:27:14)
right?

[Speaker 15] (1:27:16 - 1:27:17)
I can get it for you, David, and

[Speaker 10] (1:27:17 - 1:27:18)
No,

[Speaker 15] (1:27:18 - 1:27:18)
I'll no, send

[Speaker 10] (1:27:18 - 1:27:19)
no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:19 - 1:27:20)
start jotting each other.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:20 - 1:27:21)
literally just looking at the

[Speaker 10] (1:27:22 - 1:27:23)
y and I yeah, I'm I missing,

[Speaker 16] (1:27:23 - 1:27:24)
He missed the I net

[Speaker 10] (1:27:24 - 1:27:24)
missed

[Speaker 16] (1:27:24 - 1:27:24)
by the ten.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:24 - 1:27:24)
pie chart.

[Speaker 13] (1:27:24 - 1:27:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 15] (1:27:24 - 1:27:25)
Okay,

[Speaker 10] (1:27:25 - 1:27:25)
Okay, got it.

[Speaker 15] (1:27:25 - 1:27:26)
okay.

[Speaker 16] (1:27:26 - 1:27:28)
Miss the forest for the trees.

[Speaker 15] (1:27:28 - 1:27:33)
Okay, um I think the one that is more useful for discussion tonight is uh the second slide.

[Speaker 16] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
Right.

[Speaker 15] (1:27:34 - 1:27:37)
This is the two and a half that was the earmark.

[Speaker 15] (1:27:38 - 1:28:05)
They came through the state which gives us a little more flexibility as we've talked about in terms of you know you all just the earmark was I believe for Kings Beach improvement or the improvement of water quality Kings Beach it was a very broad category that would include both the work that has already been spent and you participated in with the city of Lynn but also the IDDE and other things they all fall into that.

[Speaker 15] (1:28:04 - 1:28:10)
That broad description we talked to Bill and Eric about this on the accounting side to make sure that you know

[Speaker 15] (1:28:10 - 1:28:14)
Eyes eyes were dotted T's were crossed were all the spending is appropriate.

[Speaker 15] (1:28:15 - 1:28:21)
Where we are here in this breakdown what I wanted to show you there was a question about the peer review funds these are here. Uh that's right,

[Speaker 15] (1:28:21 - 1:28:23)
that's number one up there. I wanna make sure you all knew that.

[Speaker 15] (1:28:24 - 1:28:39)
The U_V_ pilot costs three hundred thousand also is living here. The the phase two and two A_ things um are what I wanted to highlight for you all if the will of the board was to participate in phase one A_ that Kleinfelder suggested when they were here two weeks ago.

[Speaker 15] (1:28:39 - 1:28:43)
weeks ago, which is a roughly seventy five thousand dollar expense. Um

[Speaker 10] (1:28:43 - 1:28:44)
Phase one A_ of the U_V_

[Speaker 15] (1:28:45 - 1:28:46)
Phase one A_ it's the next phase.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:46 - 1:28:47)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 15] (1:28:47 - 1:28:47)
Yeah,

[Speaker 13] (1:28:47 - 1:28:48)
Of the pilot then?

[Speaker 15] (1:28:48 - 1:28:52)
correct. That w it was the next steps that they highlighted at the end of their presentation.

[Speaker 15] (1:28:53 - 1:28:55)
There had originally been a phase one and a phase two.

[Speaker 13] (1:28:55 - 1:28:56)
Right.

[Speaker 15] (1:28:56 - 1:29:06)
Phase one was broad and included things that both in the discussion internally where it was um Gino, Liz, myself and others on our side, the mayor, Lynn Waters, Sue, other

[Speaker 15] (1:29:06 - 1:29:19)
We we on the swans got side communicated that we thought it was a little too broad because it was speaking directly to sighting of permanent facility it was talking about the design of a permanent facility there were sort of steps that we thought we were not at yet

[Speaker 1] (1:29:20 - 1:29:35)
You all expressed two weeks ago that you want to, if there was any opportunity at all to do this, it would require that we were focused on things that were gathering data that's broadly applicable is the best way I would describe it. So it would ultimately support Kleinfelders work as they had described,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:35 - 1:29:42)
but it also would help us understand flow and design in future investment that we may make in Stacey's Brook.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:42 - 1:29:50)
or anything else like that. So the sort of narrowed down scope that they have now is uh just to make sure I don't miss anything.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:50 - 1:29:51)
Before you go there, Nick, if

[Speaker 1] (1:29:51 - 1:29:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:51 - 1:30:02)
I may interrupt you. The only thing out of this that is ostensibly really at play or not committed at this point is the peer review money.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:03)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:30:03 - 1:30:03)
Is

[Speaker 3] (1:30:03 - 1:30:03)
Well

[Speaker 2] (1:30:03 - 1:30:04)
that correct? We have there not

[Speaker 1] (1:30:04 - 1:30:05)
there's an opportunity

[Speaker 2] (1:30:05 - 1:30:09)
taken any steps to actually obtain a peer review at this point.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:10 - 1:30:10)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:10 - 1:30:10)
We have not.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:10 - 1:30:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:11 - 1:30:15)
But we have, like the phase two IDDE and design,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:15 - 1:30:16)
that's done.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:16 - 1:30:18)
like right right that

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:21)
We're completing design so they can go to bid. It's 99% done if it's not complete,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:21 - 1:30:22)
400

[Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:22)
as they talked

[Speaker 2] (1:30:22 - 1:30:22)
,000

[Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:22)
about last

[Speaker 2] (1:30:22 - 1:30:23)
is basically

[Speaker 1] (1:30:23 - 1:30:23)
week.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:23 - 1:30:23)
spent

[Speaker 1] (1:30:23 - 1:30:23)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:23 - 1:30:24)
right

[Speaker 4] (1:30:24 - 1:30:24)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:24 - 1:30:28)
the 1.5 million is not literally spent yet but

[Speaker 1] (1:30:28 - 1:30:28)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:28 - 1:30:31)
there's the logical next step of

[Speaker 1] (1:30:31 - 1:30:35)
The 1.5 million also has a capital appropriation

[Speaker 5] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
capital

[Speaker 1] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
that exists.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
appropriation.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:35 - 1:30:36)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:36 - 1:30:40)
So if we wanted to spend some capital versus taking it all from this bucket,

[Speaker 5] (1:30:40 - 1:30:42)
we would have the flexibility to

[Speaker 1] (1:30:42 - 1:30:42)
That's

[Speaker 5] (1:30:42 - 1:30:42)
do that.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:42 - 1:30:42)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:30:42 - 1:30:43)
where

[Speaker 4] (1:30:43 - 1:30:44)
if we want to, so let's

[Speaker 6] (1:30:44 - 1:30:44)
So if we

[Speaker 2] (1:30:44 - 1:30:44)
And

[Speaker 6] (1:30:44 - 1:30:45)
want

[Speaker 2] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
I just

[Speaker 6] (1:30:45 - 1:30:53)
to use taxpayer dollars, we can use taxpayer dollars, or we can use this ARPA money. Let's be really clear when we're talking about this stuff.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:53 - 1:30:57)
Using the $1.5 is giving relief to the taxpayer.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:59 - 1:31:00)
But let's also be clear though,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:00 - 1:31:03)
am I under the understanding that

[Speaker 7] (1:31:04 - 1:31:10)
Didn't someone say that two A's construction, we might not need to spend all that we had allocated?

[Speaker 7] (1:31:10 - 1:31:11)
Is that correct?

[Speaker 7] (1:31:11 - 1:31:13)
Didn't Gino say something to that effect?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:13 - 1:31:14)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
Or

[Speaker 1] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
think

[Speaker 7] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
did we

[Speaker 1] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
there was

[Speaker 7] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
might

[Speaker 1] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
a Kleinfelder,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:14 - 1:31:16)
have, or Kleinfelder said it two weeks

[Speaker 1] (1:31:16 - 1:31:22)
and it was that they believe under two A we could complete all of the work that is in that in future

[Speaker 2] (1:31:23 - 1:31:23)
In future.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:23 - 1:31:23)
and future.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:23 - 1:31:24)
So we

[Speaker 5] (1:31:24 - 1:31:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:24 - 1:31:26)
instead of it being two A and two B,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:26 - 1:31:26)
without

[Speaker 1] (1:31:26 - 1:31:26)
it would only

[Speaker 7] (1:31:26 - 1:31:26)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:31:26 - 1:31:27)
be two

[Speaker 7] (1:31:27 - 1:31:27)
extra

[Speaker 1] (1:31:27 - 1:31:27)
A.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:27 - 1:31:28)
We might be able to get everything

[Speaker 5] (1:31:28 - 1:31:28)
We're going to

[Speaker 6] (1:31:28 - 1:31:29)
that

[Speaker 5] (1:31:29 - 1:31:29)
spend

[Speaker 1] (1:31:29 - 1:31:29)
one correct,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:29 - 1:31:29)
quick

[Speaker 1] (1:31:29 - 1:31:29)
right?

[Speaker 5] (1:31:29 - 1:31:31)
five million no matter what in

[Speaker 7] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
But

[Speaker 5] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
two A,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
we might not

[Speaker 5] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
but

[Speaker 7] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
need

[Speaker 5] (1:31:31 - 1:31:32)
we might

[Speaker 7] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
to go

[Speaker 5] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
not

[Speaker 7] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
to two

[Speaker 5] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
need a

[Speaker 7] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
next. A.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:33 - 1:31:33)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:33 - 1:31:34)
They anticipate

[Speaker 6] (1:31:34 - 1:31:36)
We might ask some more than the two point five. Than

[Speaker 2] (1:31:36 - 1:31:36)
Excuse

[Speaker 6] (1:31:36 - 1:31:36)
the

[Speaker 2] (1:31:36 - 1:31:37)
me.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
one point five.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:37 - 1:31:39)
It was to be or not to be.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:39 - 1:31:39)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:39 - 1:31:39)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:39 - 1:31:40)
That was the question.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:40 - 1:31:42)
Wow. That was well played by both of you.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:44 - 1:31:45)
So yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:46 - 1:31:54)
the seventy five if we I would say seventy seven 'cause it's it's between seventy five and seventy seven total. If we were to move forward with this one phase one A.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:56 - 1:31:57)
Next steps that were

[Speaker 1] (1:31:58 - 1:31:59)
You have a question?

[Speaker 5] (1:31:59 - 1:32:02)
Yeah, what's the what's this complimentary strategies report?

[Speaker 2] (1:32:02 - 1:32:02)
That

[Speaker 5] (1:32:02 - 1:32:03)
What is that?

[Speaker 2] (1:32:03 - 1:32:04)
that's the one we spent

[Speaker 1] (1:32:05 - 1:32:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:05 - 1:32:06)
that was that

[Speaker 5] (1:32:06 - 1:32:06)
What

[Speaker 2] (1:32:06 - 1:32:06)
was

[Speaker 5] (1:32:06 - 1:32:07)
was that though?

[Speaker 2] (1:32:07 - 1:32:15)
that was the report way back when that we laid out in concert with Lynn about UV and the pipe and all

[Speaker 7] (1:32:15 - 1:32:15)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:15 - 1:32:16)
the other different

[Speaker 5] (1:32:16 - 1:32:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:32:16 - 1:32:16)
options.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:16 - 1:32:17)
sorry,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:17 - 1:32:17)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:17 - 1:32:17)
Uh

[Speaker 5] (1:32:17 - 1:32:17)
it's been a

[Speaker 6] (1:32:17 - 1:32:17)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:32:17 - 1:32:17)
while

[Speaker 6] (1:32:17 - 1:32:20)
don't think that was with Lynn. I think we paid for that

[Speaker 5] (1:32:21 - 1:32:21)
Totally.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:21 - 1:32:22)
full amount totally

[Speaker 5] (1:32:22 - 1:32:22)
Yeah

[Speaker 6] (1:32:22 - 1:32:23)
just without.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:23 - 1:32:23)
wanted to.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:23 - 1:32:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:23 - 1:32:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:24 - 1:32:24)
Okay but

[Speaker 5] (1:32:24 - 1:32:24)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:24 - 1:32:33)
but okay to if we want to be super clear yes we did but then we negotiated openly publicly to only pay three hundred thousand dollars for the UV because

[Speaker 6] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:34)
yes yes

[Speaker 5] (1:32:34 - 1:32:35)
So all things said, we're even now.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:35 - 1:32:36)
yes put

[Speaker 6] (1:32:36 - 1:32:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:36 - 1:32:37)
Sorry,

[Speaker 5] (1:32:37 - 1:32:37)
I apologize

[Speaker 6] (1:32:37 - 1:32:38)
I'm not sure.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:38 - 1:32:39)
for opening that can.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:40 - 1:32:41)
it back in

[Speaker 1] (1:32:42 - 1:32:42)
So anyway,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:42 - 1:32:42)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:32:42 - 1:33:07)
so that's basically what I'm trying I'm trying to point out is like really all this money except for I suppose the 1.5 million which is a big amount is spent or highly targeted and it's really if we wanted to do anything more in the further research phase that could be applied to UV or other things it's really coming out of this peer review bucket primarily what

[Speaker 6] (1:33:07 - 1:33:07)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:33:07 - 1:33:07)
I'm suggesting.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:07 - 1:33:08)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
Well, not

[Speaker 1] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
only

[Speaker 1] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
is

[Speaker 1] (1:33:09 - 1:33:21)
think we're sort of that six and one half. If the peer review became, I understood your comments two weeks ago as saying the peer review was important to make sure we move forward with.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:22 - 1:33:23)
Not me.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:23 - 1:33:25)
Not you per as a as a poor.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:25 - 1:33:25)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:25 - 1:33:25)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:25 - 1:33:27)
So I would actually

[Speaker 2] (1:33:27 - 1:33:27)
Interesting.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:27 - 1:33:27)
say

[Speaker 5] (1:33:27 - 1:33:28)
That was me?

[Speaker 6] (1:33:28 - 1:33:28)
Say

[Speaker 5] (1:33:28 - 1:33:28)
I said

[Speaker 6] (1:33:28 - 1:33:28)
that again?

[Speaker 5] (1:33:28 - 1:33:29)
that?

[Speaker 6] (1:33:29 - 1:33:29)
Sorry.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:29 - 1:33:29)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:33:29 - 1:33:29)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:33:29 - 1:33:29)
would say

[Speaker 1] (1:33:29 - 1:33:36)
say I would say it's that hundred or a small portion of the 1.5 is where that would come from

[Speaker 2] (1:33:36 - 1:33:50)
okay and I'll just say you know that I am adamantly opposed to not spending that 1.5 for pipe work so that's why I categorize it as

[Speaker 2] (1:33:50 - 1:33:57)
We've said that over and over and over again, you can make the debate about whether or not we're gonna spend it capital versus here, I suppose. Um but

[Speaker 1] (1:33:57 - 1:34:06)
And that's what I'm suggest I'm suggesting that there's the opportunity to take some of these costs and assign them somewhere else with a cap there is a capital appropriation that exists.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:07 - 1:34:09)
Where you could put some of it. That's

[Speaker 6] (1:34:09 - 1:34:15)
So wait, I'm really confused. So wait a minute. You don't want to spend 1.5, you don't want to spend the 1.5 that we've already approved.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:15 - 1:34:15)
I do,

[Speaker 5] (1:34:15 - 1:34:15)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:34:15 - 1:34:16)
we absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:16 - 1:34:16)
Oh, you do.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:16 - 1:34:17)
yeah, you guys want to spend it. You agree.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:17 - 1:34:18)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:18 - 1:34:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:18 - 1:34:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:18 - 1:34:19)
You want to spend that.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:19 - 1:34:19)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:19 - 1:34:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:20 - 1:34:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:20 - 1:34:28)
But what's on the table right now, what I think we're trying to be thoughtful about is if the

[Speaker 5] (1:34:30 - 1:34:34)
I don't want to call it the second phase of the UV pilot because I think that

[Speaker 7] (1:34:34 - 1:34:35)
I think we should call it

[Speaker 5] (1:34:35 - 1:34:35)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:34:35 - 1:34:35)
second

[Speaker 5] (1:34:35 - 1:34:35)
don't

[Speaker 7] (1:34:35 - 1:34:35)
phase.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:35 - 1:34:36)
want to call Okay, it that.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:36 - 1:34:36)
let's

[Speaker 5] (1:34:36 - 1:34:52)
I want to call her I want to call it the next step of which will provide data which can be used towards the pilot but can also be used for other mechanisms for us to understand flow and potential costs if pilot comes to the table, right?

[Speaker 5] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (1:34:53 - 1:34:54)
For confirmation that

[Speaker 5] (1:34:54 - 1:34:54)
confirmation

[Speaker 2] (1:34:54 - 1:34:57)
the pipe work is actually being is successful.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:57 - 1:34:57)
and successful,

[Speaker 2] (1:34:57 - 1:34:58)
Yes

[Speaker 5] (1:34:58 - 1:34:58)
right?

[Speaker 5] (1:34:58 - 1:34:59)
If,

[Speaker 5] (1:34:59 - 1:35:04)
if there, if there's some work that can be done, and it's, we're talking about, you said 75,000?

[Speaker 1] (1:35:05 - 1:35:05)
Yes

[Speaker 5] (1:35:05 - 1:35:06)
75,000.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:06 - 1:35:10)
Up to 77,000 just to be just 77 let's call it 77 to be clear

[Speaker 5] (1:35:10 - 1:35:10)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:10 - 1:35:10)
okay

[Speaker 5] (1:35:10 - 1:35:12)
so up to 77k.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:13 - 1:35:29)
Then what you would be saying potentially is 1.423 million dollars would be going to phase 2A work and an appropriation of $77,000 would be used from our budget to cover.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:31 - 1:35:49)
the remainder of the one point five million dollar work that would be d that would be done. So you're not saying you're taking the entirety of the one point five million and moving it to the taxpayer to burden the taxpayer. You are really taking seventy seven thousand dollars and moving it from ARPA to an

[Speaker 1] (1:35:49 - 1:35:53)
You can appropriation. do that, absolutely. But why are we not I mean are we really going to do this peer review? Why are we not?

[Speaker 5] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
That's a great question.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:53 - 1:35:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
Are we

[Speaker 1] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
I mean

[Speaker 5] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
so really like

[Speaker 7] (1:35:54 - 1:35:56)
think that's that's what we really

[Speaker 1] (1:35:56 - 1:35:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:56 - 1:35:57)
should be talking about.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:57 - 1:35:59)
So to this point we have not done it, number one.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:00 - 1:36:01)
The

[Speaker 6] (1:36:01 - 1:36:01)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:36:01 - 1:36:12)
I as I understood last week that when I talked to Gino after the meeting it was that I wanted to make sure we were moving forward with that if again if that's not the will and it appears to be there's some disagreement

[Speaker 5] (1:36:12 - 1:36:12)
Have a conversation.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:13 - 1:36:17)
and that that would be a great place to take it from as you suggested vice chair.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:19 - 1:36:22)
I don't have the technical expertise to make that judgment.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:22 - 1:36:22)
I mean we,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:23 - 1:36:27)
you know, this was a question back in the day, uh

[Speaker 6] (1:36:27 - 1:36:27)
Last year.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:27 - 1:36:44)
a reasonable one, uh eons ago, um you know, about whether or not we felt like we were fully satisfied with the work that Kleinfeld was doing or if we wanted a second opinion about it. I frankly don't, I think it really came up and can you can speak to it because it was really more your idea.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:45 - 1:36:56)
more about the various options as opposed to like were they giving us the best program about IDDE right wasn't this kind of in the context of the the

[Speaker 5] (1:36:56 - 1:36:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:57 - 1:37:02)
outfall of the UV or are they really kind of assessing all the options correctly I don't do you

[Speaker 5] (1:37:02 - 1:37:14)
I mean I don't recall exactly the context, but I think my question is always when you work with somebody for a very long time on very similar projects.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:15 - 1:37:25)
Everybody becomes very comfortable. The players all know each other and things all sort of blur together and is there a chance that when you bring somebody new to the table the way you look at it changes,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:25 - 1:37:31)
the way you see things is a little bit different or you might push harder in one area that folks

[Speaker 5] (1:37:32 - 1:37:49)
are ruling out right now or a blind spot for people because of how long they've been working together so to me it just felt like is there an opportunity to you know have more efficiency a different thought process or sight in a blind spot just

[Speaker 8] (1:37:49 - 1:37:51)
Just a double, it's just a double check.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:51 - 1:37:51)
a double check

[Speaker 8] (1:37:51 - 1:37:53)
It's just a double check before

[Speaker 5] (1:37:53 - 1:37:53)
I mean

[Speaker 8] (1:37:53 - 1:37:53)
we

[Speaker 5] (1:37:53 - 1:37:53)
it's

[Speaker 8] (1:37:53 - 1:37:53)
spend,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:53 - 1:37:53)
a luxury

[Speaker 8] (1:37:53 - 1:37:53)
we're

[Speaker 5] (1:37:53 - 1:37:54)
I'm not

[Speaker 8] (1:37:54 - 1:37:54)
spending

[Speaker 5] (1:37:54 - 1:37:54)
gonna say

[Speaker 8] (1:37:54 - 1:37:54)
millions,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:54 - 1:37:55)
it's like

[Speaker 8] (1:37:55 - 1:37:57)
we're spending millions and millions and millions of taxpayer dollars.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:57 - 1:37:58)
We're raising

[Speaker 8] (1:37:58 - 1:38:04)
we're raising water and sewer rates we're we're allocating we're allocating ARPA funds I mean if we

[Speaker 5] (1:38:04 - 1:38:04)
Financially responsible,

[Speaker 8] (1:38:04 - 1:38:05)
if we

[Speaker 5] (1:38:05 - 1:38:05)
if we made want to go

[Speaker 8] (1:38:05 - 1:38:05)
a

[Speaker 5] (1:38:05 - 1:38:05)
to

[Speaker 8] (1:38:05 - 1:38:05)
decision

[Speaker 5] (1:38:05 - 1:38:06)
trial.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:06 - 1:38:09)
if we made a decision to do this I think we should be moving forward with

[Speaker 6] (1:38:10 - 1:38:17)
You know the other question was to have another set of eyes really looking at our overall strategy and then we were going back and doing the IDD work.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:18 - 1:38:32)
Is this what is this what another company would actually recommend too? Because you know we seem to be at one point we were going around a certain area and it was coming up and then failing and coming up and failing. You know last last time we were here we got really good news

[Speaker 7] (1:38:32 - 1:38:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:32 - 1:38:37)
that things were better but at the time when we when this came up

[Speaker 6] (1:38:37 - 1:38:47)
There was a lot of failures, there's a lot of questions what's really going on here. I I think it's a really good safeguard to double-check to make sure that to make sure that we are going in the right

[Speaker 8] (1:38:48 - 1:39:14)
But let's let's also go back to this seventy seven thousand dollar request. So you know we've had numerous discussions over the last several years about you know the fact that we're you know we're gonna spend this money we can fix our pipes but we're still likely going to need a complimentary supplementary supplemental solution to to have the beach open ninety plus percent of the time ninety five unless it just does not rain

[Speaker 8] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
all summer.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:25 - 1:39:25)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:25 - 1:39:25)
days.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:25 - 1:39:27)
but none of this is gonna solve the rain issue.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:36)
Correct, no, yeah, yes. So my c my question is whether we move forward with the U_V_ or met whether we move forward with an outfall, is this seventy seven thousand

[Speaker 1] (1:39:37 - 1:39:43)
dollars. Is this useful in the U_V_ and the outfall or just for the U_V_ or

[Speaker 2] (1:39:43 - 1:39:57)
I'm not an engineer, but let me answer the question. Number number one, one of the things is the continued conversations with the regulators because we have not gotten meaningful feedback from D_E_P_ and E_P_A_ to understand what they think of U_V_

[Speaker 2] (1:39:57 - 1:40:21)
Doing sediment testing, flow testing, wet water wet weather targeted wet weather testing, those would all inform any solution because, as an example the sediment testing I think was discussed, um I've had conversations but I think last week even if it turns out that there's something after the UV system or some other solution that's causing the exceedances, without doing sediment testing and without understanding the flow

[Speaker 2] (1:40:22 - 1:40:26)
we we are less likely to find that in a time frame that makes it useful to us.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:27 - 1:40:46)
Uh so doing the sediment testing, understanding the flow now and the wet weather flow now would inform multiple potential solutions. Having the conversations with DEP and EPA help us understand whether or not we could even move to something where we're talking about a permanent site, where t a permanent solution that is built somewhere or UV versus

[Speaker 3] (1:40:46 - 1:40:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:47 - 1:40:47)
um

[Speaker 2] (1:40:48 - 1:41:02)
outflow or whatever so it can inform all those things and that was sort of the that was the feedback that we gave to Kleinfelder when we were trying to narrow the scope to say like what are things that if we're sitting here saying we're unsure

[Speaker 2] (1:41:03 - 1:41:12)
That this is the solution for us. What are the things that we can be doing that could potentially inform that if everyone were to come to some agreement in the future or could also inform alternative solutions.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:13 - 1:41:18)
Got it. And there was just a follow-on to that. Um when Courtney was here at our last meet uh Courtney

[Speaker 2] (1:41:18 - 1:41:18)
I think

[Speaker 4] (1:41:18 - 1:41:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:18 - 1:41:18)
so.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:18 - 1:41:24)
from Glendale. When she was here she mentioned that we had actually paid for some of these services that were not

[Speaker 1] (1:41:25 - 1:41:38)
actually received and they were hoping that there was a credit that was gonna be applied. Um do we have any idea of the of the of the quantification of that of that credit and could that credit be used for some of this future for

[Speaker 2] (1:41:38 - 1:41:38)
I'd

[Speaker 1] (1:41:38 - 1:41:38)
some of have this to future

[Speaker 2] (1:41:38 - 1:41:38)
check.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:38 - 1:41:39)
work?

[Speaker 2] (1:41:39 - 1:41:46)
I'm not certain. The the way she described it to that I that I heard her that night was that credit was sort of built into what was billed and not billed already.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:47 - 1:41:49)
So I can check, I don't have the

[Speaker 1] (1:41:49 - 1:41:49)
I I I

[Speaker 2] (1:41:49 - 1:41:49)
answer

[Speaker 1] (1:41:49 - 1:41:49)
didn't for I didn't

[Speaker 2] (1:41:49 - 1:41:50)
you.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:50 - 1:41:50)
hear that, but

[Speaker 5] (1:41:50 - 1:41:51)
I didn't either.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:51 - 1:42:00)
but yeah, if we can if we can just verify that, I think that would be that would be helpful for me making making this decision to allocate uh additional funds.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:00 - 1:42:02)
So I guess

[Speaker 2] (1:42:03 - 1:42:09)
So slightly to recap, so it sounds like there's uh a sense that we should do the peer-review.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:12 - 1:42:16)
I I'm I'm ambivalent about that frankly at this point um but um

[Speaker 6] (1:42:16 - 1:42:16)
Why?

[Speaker 2] (1:42:16 - 1:42:18)
why am I ambivalent?

[Speaker 6] (1:42:18 - 1:42:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:18 - 1:42:22)
Um I understand it conceptually it sounds conceptually brilliant,

[Speaker 6] (1:42:22 - 1:42:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:22 - 1:42:23)
um but

[Speaker 6] (1:42:23 - 1:42:23)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:23 - 1:42:33)
uh but on a practical matter, you know, there's there's pros and cons right to Kleinfeld and how deep they are in this, right?

[Speaker 6] (1:42:33 - 1:42:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:33 - 1:42:34)
And they know

[Speaker 2] (1:42:35 - 1:42:36)
literally

[Speaker 7] (1:42:36 - 1:42:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:36 - 1:43:00)
our pipes like inside and out, right, and our system inside and out. And we've seen in some other matters how expensive it is to get a reasonable second opinion. I I'm not sure a hundred thousand dollars would really get you a very thorough second opinion. Um so until I saw an actual scope and showed kind of literally what's being evaluated,

[Speaker 2] (1:43:01 - 1:43:04)
I'm not convinced that the

[Speaker 2] (1:43:05 - 1:43:09)
which by some expression here the um it's worth it. Um or

[Speaker 8] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
The juices

[Speaker 2] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
or that

[Speaker 8] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
are worth

[Speaker 2] (1:43:09 - 1:43:10)
it wouldn't,

[Speaker 8] (1:43:10 - 1:43:10)
the squeeze.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:10 - 1:43:11)
that's one right there.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:11 - 1:43:11)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:11 - 1:43:13)
Yeah, the juice is worth the squeeze.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:13 - 1:43:13)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:13 - 1:43:17)
Um or or if you need a lot more juice to really really

[Speaker 8] (1:43:17 - 1:43:17)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:17 - 1:43:17)
get

[Speaker 8] (1:43:17 - 1:43:18)
Right. Squeeze.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:18 - 1:43:18)
that second opinion, Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:18 - 1:43:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:19 - 1:43:26)
okay. So but putting that aside, um assuming that we do wanna still pursue that, um

[Speaker 2] (1:43:29 - 1:43:56)
I do think it would be it would be much better if we were sitting here looking at a proposed scope of work, where we're verbally talking about it. Um and what you've described, Nick, I'm with you, like first seven points, but then you get into the last three points, and I'm a little bit wishy-washy uh about like the fact of oh, but then maybe like uh the regulators and about a U_V_ and about the sighting and and these other things, and I'm like oh whoa whoa whoa whoa.

[Speaker 10] (1:43:56 - 1:43:57)
The siding's off the table.

[Speaker 11] (1:43:57 - 1:43:57)
Off the table,

[Speaker 2] (1:43:57 - 1:43:57)
So

[Speaker 11] (1:43:57 - 1:43:57)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:43:57 - 1:44:03)
they're not seven things in what I described as the 1A scope.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:03 - 1:44:05)
It is sediment testing,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:05 - 1:44:06)
wet water,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:06 - 1:44:11)
flow testing in contact with the regulators to try to get fulsome feedback. The other things...

[Speaker 2] (1:44:12 - 1:44:26)
are what we moved and said we do not want them to be doing. We do not want permanent siting discussion now. We don't want permanent, you know, design on what that permanent solution might look like. Those are things that we asked them to set aside and they did to narrow the scope.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:27 - 1:44:36)
So it's wet weather flow, I mean it's flow testing wet weather, targeted wet weather testing, sediment testing, and contact with the regulators. That's that is the scope.

[Speaker 12] (1:44:36 - 1:44:40)
Okay, so the the contact with regulators to what end? About U_V_

[Speaker 2] (1:44:40 - 1:44:49)
We still need to get an actual actual fulsome feedback on the we provided to EPA and DEP and the answer was sort of we need to continue the conversation.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:49 - 1:44:50)
Thank you for your information.

[Speaker 13] (1:44:50 - 1:44:51)
Didn't the E_P_A_

[Speaker 14] (1:44:52 - 1:44:56)
Didn't EPA comment back saying don't recog what didn't EPA have something pretty

[Speaker 15] (1:44:56 - 1:44:56)
One

[Speaker 14] (1:44:56 - 1:44:57)
serious to

[Speaker 15] (1:44:57 - 1:44:57)
of our

[Speaker 14] (1:44:57 - 1:44:57)
say?

[Speaker 15] (1:44:57 - 1:44:58)
public commenters read

[Speaker 14] (1:44:58 - 1:44:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 15] (1:44:59 - 1:45:04)
an email, right, but uh we don't understand the context what of that what that email was, so it would be great if we did.

[Speaker 14] (1:45:04 - 1:45:07)
So we have to go through Kleinfelder to get that response?

[Speaker 2] (1:45:08 - 1:45:11)
No, but they would be a necessary part of those conversations.

[Speaker 14] (1:45:12 - 1:45:13)
I my my

[Speaker 14] (1:45:13 - 1:45:27)
To Doug's point, my hesitation here is Kleinfelter. I have to say it. I I don't know how much more money we can give Kleinfelter to tell us information that none of us can figure out on our own. Uh it it just seems like there has to be another player in this game that can

[Speaker 14] (1:45:28 - 1:45:38)
Give us some feedback in terms of what Kleinfelder has done for us already, right? I mean and that's your squeeze and your juice and what not. Maybe we don't have the juice for it, I don't know.

[Speaker 12] (1:45:38 - 1:45:40)
Actually I'm But I think I was making the opposite point, but that's okay.

[Speaker 14] (1:45:40 - 1:45:41)
Were you?

[Speaker 12] (1:45:41 - 1:45:41)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 14] (1:45:41 - 1:45:54)
So that's my concern is that it's Kleinfelder Kleinfelder all day, right? We don't have any other reference point other than what they sell us tell us or guide us towards, right? How do we know that any of that is

[Speaker 14] (1:45:54 - 1:45:55)
We don't know. We don't

[Speaker 2] (1:45:55 - 1:45:55)
So

[Speaker 14] (1:45:55 - 1:45:57)
know any of it. We're relying on them for everything,

[Speaker 2] (1:45:57 - 1:46:05)
I would just caution that I think we're conflating this request with the fact that Kleinfeld does a ton of work in town.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:06 - 1:46:25)
And I agree with what you're saying, and I've talked to Gino, like there's other firms that do similar work that we could spread it around or find someone else to do certain thing. I wouldn't want that concern that you have to be what stops us solely from moving forward with this when this is an opportunity to get information that we think can be useful in

[Speaker 14] (1:46:25 - 1:46:25)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:25 - 1:46:26)
multiple ways.

[Speaker 12] (1:46:27 - 1:46:28)
And theoretically,

[Speaker 12] (1:46:28 - 1:46:30)
this $77,000 can be done by someone else.

[Speaker 14] (1:46:31 - 1:46:31)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:32 - 1:46:33)
So,

[Speaker 14] (1:46:33 - 1:46:33)
That sure. Katie's

[Speaker 12] (1:46:33 - 1:46:33)
Not

[Speaker 14] (1:46:33 - 1:46:34)
place

[Speaker 12] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
Klein

[Speaker 14] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
that is,

[Speaker 12] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
Felder.

[Speaker 14] (1:46:34 - 1:46:40)
you know, that has a different view, right, that is coming in clean without this like, you

[Speaker 15] (1:46:40 - 1:46:41)
Well, I guess

[Speaker 14] (1:46:41 - 1:46:46)
know, this historical view that Kleinfeldr has. Granted, they might know our pipes in and out,

[Speaker 14] (1:46:46 - 1:46:49)
but to that end, do they also know what they can and can't sell us?

[Speaker 15] (1:46:50 - 1:46:50)
Well,

[Speaker 14] (1:46:50 - 1:46:50)
You

[Speaker 15] (1:46:50 - 1:46:51)
I guess the know only

[Speaker 14] (1:46:51 - 1:46:51)
what I'm saying?

[Speaker 15] (1:46:51 - 1:46:51)
part

[Speaker 14] (1:46:51 - 1:46:51)
Because

[Speaker 15] (1:46:51 - 1:46:52)
that we I would don't push

[Speaker 14] (1:46:52 - 1:46:52)
know our

[Speaker 15] (1:46:52 - 1:46:56)
back pipes. on there is to say if you're going to have commentary to the regulators.

[Speaker 15] (1:46:57 - 1:46:58)
You're going to need the

[Speaker 12] (1:46:58 - 1:46:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 15] (1:46:59 - 1:47:00)
folks who did

[Speaker 12] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00)
Get the work.

[Speaker 15] (1:47:00 - 1:47:04)
the work to come forward and probably explain,

[Speaker 15] (1:47:04 - 1:47:05)
answer questions.

[Speaker 14] (1:47:05 - 1:47:06)
But we already have that.

[Speaker 14] (1:47:07 - 1:47:07)
They've

[Speaker 15] (1:47:07 - 1:47:07)
Well,

[Speaker 14] (1:47:07 - 1:47:08)
already done

[Speaker 15] (1:47:08 - 1:47:08)
part

[Speaker 14] (1:47:08 - 1:47:08)
all this.

[Speaker 15] (1:47:08 - 1:47:15)
of the fee that in the $77,000 is having them come to the table in these conversations and engage in meaningful conversation,

[Speaker 14] (1:47:15 - 1:47:15)
But

[Speaker 15] (1:47:15 - 1:47:15)
right?

[Speaker 14] (1:47:15 - 1:47:19)
shouldn't they have to explain what they've done without the $77,000?

[Speaker 14] (1:47:19 - 1:47:23)
I mean, we're giving them countless dollars to do this work.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:23 - 1:47:26)
The short answer is no, they wouldn't have to come to a meeting if we get a meeting with.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:27 - 1:47:30)
the Commissioner of DEP, and they were not under contract

[Speaker 14] (1:47:30 - 1:47:30)
Maybe

[Speaker 2] (1:47:30 - 1:47:30)
with they the

[Speaker 14] (1:47:30 - 1:47:35)
wouldn't have to come, but they would we would be able to provide all of the work they've already done.

[Speaker 16] (1:47:35 - 1:47:35)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:47:35 - 1:47:35)
I

[Speaker 14] (1:47:35 - 1:47:36)
This documentation

[Speaker 2] (1:47:36 - 1:47:36)
I think

[Speaker 14] (1:47:36 - 1:47:36)
would

[Speaker 2] (1:47:36 - 1:47:36)
they

[Speaker 15] (1:47:36 - 1:47:36)
Sure.

[Speaker 14] (1:47:36 - 1:47:37)
be not complete.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:37 - 1:47:38)
should speak to it.

[Speaker 14] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
Right?

[Speaker 15] (1:47:39 - 1:47:49)
Yeah, but I'm just I just think like for most efficient effective conversation to have them there is probably helpful and you're gonna have to pay them to be there.

[Speaker 14] (1:47:49 - 1:47:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 15] (1:47:49 - 1:47:52)
And I I think there's two separate things one

[Speaker 15] (1:47:54 - 1:47:56)
The $100,000 related to the peer review,

[Speaker 15] (1:47:56 - 1:47:58)
obviously when we were having conversations about peer review,

[Speaker 15] (1:47:58 - 1:48:00)
we were in a different situation,

[Speaker 15] (1:48:00 - 1:48:01)
right?

[Speaker 15] (1:48:01 - 1:48:14)
A year ago, if you think about it, we had all these hot spots on Lower Banks and some issues on Walker and a bunch of other places and they couldn't find it and they were sort of, it felt like chasing tails a little bit. Like it felt like they were going in circles and we couldn't get anywhere.

[Speaker 15] (1:48:16 - 1:48:22)
While I don't want to lose sight of there is still perhaps a responsible answer to still going forward in peer review,

[Speaker 15] (1:48:22 - 1:48:23)
we are not in that place today.

[Speaker 15] (1:48:24 - 1:48:52)
Today and what we heard last week or two weeks ago was you know the work that we had identified some real issue points which we managed and they created effective change in those hot spots so we feel like we've put and that doesn't mean we won't come to another hot spot but maybe the nature of some of this work is such that some things are easier to find than other things and no matter who the player is we're going to be trying to figure out.

[Speaker 15] (1:48:52 - 1:48:59)
where the lateral is or where the break is or where the what is it called a list of discharge is coming from.

[Speaker 15] (1:49:00 - 1:49:09)
So in that mindset I don't I am open to conversation about taking about understanding the scope of work related to the peer review.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:32 - 1:49:35)
So I would like to understand a scope of work related to the peer review,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:35 - 1:49:37)
separate and apart,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:37 - 1:49:43)
and if $100,000 can get us what we want, if it can't, then maybe it's money well spent somewhere else.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:43 - 1:49:48)
If it's now $50,000 because we solved a bunch of other problems that we don't need to chase down anymore,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:51)
that's important to know since we're looking for funds to spend.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:52 - 1:49:54)
The secondary piece,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:54 - 1:49:55)
I think, is...

[Speaker 1] (1:49:57 - 1:50:06)
Whether or not the $77,000 towards the 1A conversation of UB Pilot with Kleinfelder is money that is going to be well spent.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:07 - 1:50:11)
I see arguments both ways.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:11 - 1:50:20)
I think taking anything related to permanent UB Pilot out of the picture is the only thing that made me open to this thought because I don't want.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:21 - 1:50:23)
I'm not there yet.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:23 - 1:50:26)
I don't think that Kleinfeld would say we're there yet.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:26 - 1:50:31)
We can't even confirm that DEP and the regulators are willing to be there yet.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:31 - 1:50:33)
So why are we even going there yet?

[Speaker 1] (1:50:34 - 1:50:48)
What we can do and what is beneficial to us and maybe puts us in a realistic financial ability to make a realistic financial decision on future matters is flow data.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:49 - 1:50:55)
Because if we know how much of the flow is ours and we understand how much of that is

[Speaker 1] (1:50:57 - 1:51:10)
better or worse based on the I_D_T_E_ work we're doing, then we come to this table with the city of Lynn and we say, hey the flow data shows we're at nine we're at ninety ten or we're at seventy thirty or we're at fifty fifty.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:10 - 1:51:11)
Or whatever the data

[Speaker 1] (1:51:11 - 1:51:11)
Whatever

[Speaker 2] (1:51:11 - 1:51:11)
shows.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:11 - 1:51:16)
the data data shows, we're able to come to the table with more information so that we are not

[Speaker 3] (1:51:16 - 1:51:20)
But again, we have to be confident in the data, right, and who gets us the data.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:20 - 1:51:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:20 - 1:51:21)
Kleinfeld or gets us the data.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:22 - 1:51:26)
Uh I just you know what I mean? I Yeah. I don't how do I know the data

[Speaker 3] (1:51:25 - 1:51:33)
data is what it is or what Klein-Felder wants it to be. Uh you know what I mean? Uh this whole thing is so we're so deep into this.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:33 - 1:51:33)
Uh.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:33 - 1:51:35)
No. Uh so I

[Speaker 4] (1:51:35 - 1:51:36)
Can I just make one comment?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:36 - 1:51:36)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:36 - 1:51:36)
I I think

[Speaker 5] (1:51:36 - 1:51:37)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:37 - 1:51:39)
Well only because we c we

[Speaker 5] (1:51:39 - 1:51:39)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:39 - 1:51:42)
requested public comment to happen in the beginning. I I think it's not

[Speaker 4] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:51:42 - 1:51:43)
neces

[Speaker 4] (1:51:43 - 1:51:43)
point is we

[Speaker 1] (1:51:43 - 1:51:46)
I know, but I I understand and I appreciate it. But

[Speaker 5] (1:51:46 - 1:51:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:47)
okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:47 - 1:51:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:48 - 1:51:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:48 - 1:51:49)
Go ahead Danielle.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:49 - 1:51:49)
Come,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:49 - 1:51:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:50 - 1:51:50)
keep talking, Diana.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:50 - 1:52:08)
Keep talking, Diana. So, so my to my point, I don't know, I just yeah, that's just my thought, like I I'm just I'm not so confident, right, in after listening to and there and this is not a knock against Kleinfeld, after listening to the presentation about the UV,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:08 - 1:52:11)
all the challenges they face, the things they didn't anticipate,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:11 - 1:52:12)
the seaweed,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:12 - 1:52:14)
all of it, we you know, I just

[Speaker 3] (1:52:14 - 1:52:16)
I just don't have that much confidence

[Speaker 5] (1:52:16 - 1:52:17)
So but

[Speaker 3] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
in

[Speaker 5] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
we don't

[Speaker 3] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
a lot

[Speaker 5] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
have to we

[Speaker 3] (1:52:17 - 1:52:18)
of what they

[Speaker 5] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
don't

[Speaker 3] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
put out.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:18 - 1:52:19)
have to decide Kleinfeld or here,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:19 - 1:52:19)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:19 - 1:52:21)
right? So we're gonna put out a bid they

[Speaker 3] (1:52:21 - 1:52:21)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:21 - 1:52:22)
can bid someone else can bid

[Speaker 6] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:22 - 1:52:23)
right

[Speaker 3] (1:52:23 - 1:52:23)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:23 - 1:52:27)
we just need to determine if we're if it's worth it to

[Speaker 1] (1:52:27 - 1:52:27)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:27 - 1:52:28)
flow test,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:28 - 1:52:29)
sediment test,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:29 - 1:52:32)
wet weather test and and have communications with the regulators.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:32 - 1:52:40)
And so I would just say the communication with the regulators I don't get right now So I'll just maybe other people feel like we should do that, but I don't I don't get that part because

[Speaker 6] (1:52:40 - 1:52:43)
Because it doesn't feel like we're at that stage right now.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:43 - 1:52:45)
We need to understand what their feedback is. So we

[Speaker 6] (1:52:45 - 1:52:46)
About

[Speaker 5] (1:52:46 - 1:52:46)
are at about the

[Speaker 6] (1:52:46 - 1:52:47)
what? The UV?

[Speaker 5] (1:52:47 - 1:52:47)
UV,

[Speaker 5] (1:52:47 - 1:52:48)
yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:48 - 1:52:53)
I don't care what their feedback is about the UV. That's what I'm saying. I'm not interested in their feedback about the UV,

[Speaker 5] (1:52:53 - 1:52:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:53 - 1:52:53)
the regular.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:53 - 1:52:55)
Does any so here here's here's a big question.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:55 - 1:52:56)
I'm not looking about doing it

[Speaker 7] (1:52:56 - 1:52:56)
Does

[Speaker 6] (1:52:56 - 1:52:56)
again.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:56 - 1:53:06)
anybody is is there anybody at this table that sees us being able to invest millions and millions and millions of dollars in a UV

[Speaker 7] (1:53:07 - 1:53:10)
facility within the next ten years.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:11 - 1:53:11)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:11 - 1:53:11)
Nope.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:11 - 1:53:12)
Okay, so if we

[Speaker 5] (1:53:12 - 1:53:13)
So can

[Speaker 7] (1:53:13 - 1:53:13)
you

[Speaker 5] (1:53:13 - 1:53:13)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:53:13 - 1:53:18)
know no hold on a second. If we do not see f if you do not see

[Speaker 7] (1:53:19 - 1:53:20)
That happening.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:21 - 1:53:24)
Why are we spending any more dollars whatsoever?

[Speaker 7] (1:53:25 - 1:53:28)
I was very good last week. I didn't say a word.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:28 - 1:53:33)
I honestly felt that spending $300,000 was not in our best interest.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:33 - 1:53:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:33 - 1:53:36)
We spent the $300,000. We have the results.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:37 - 1:53:42)
We also have comments that we should be able to have these pipes lined.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:42 - 1:54:00)
and secured by 2027 we are on a march to tighten this up so I just would like to see every penny possible put into these pipes and tighten them up and get a strict IDDE work regimen in there and and really do our part that's how that's how I see

[Speaker 3] (1:54:00 - 1:54:00)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:54:00 - 1:54:00)
it

[Speaker 3] (1:54:00 - 1:54:09)
I think, didn't we say resoundingly last time that we didn't feel like, to answer your question.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:09 - 1:54:20)
We could even, none of us could fathom putting a U-V plant or treatment facility to the tune of millions of dollars in this town. Did we not say that?

[Speaker 6] (1:54:20 - 1:54:21)
Yeah, we did.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:21 - 1:54:21)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:54:21 - 1:54:25)
I I'm to Doug's point, I'm not sure why we're even on this

[Speaker 3] (1:54:25 - 1:54:26)
Well, you pass.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:26 - 1:54:27)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:54:27 - 1:54:27)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:27 - 1:54:28)
could I just share

[Speaker 7] (1:54:28 - 1:54:28)
Yes,

[Speaker 5] (1:54:28 - 1:54:28)
like

[Speaker 7] (1:54:28 - 1:54:29)
now you can go.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:29 - 1:54:30)
part I'm sorry to interrupt you.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:31 - 1:54:49)
Like when we're talking about if that even was the answer and if there is an appetite to do it, number one I would assume that this is to a comment David's made a few times is it would be a regional solution which would necessarily include state participation. I just I don't see a scenario in which the two communities alone would pay for something like that, I agree with you one hundred percent.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:50 - 1:54:56)
That being said, without flow data, you don't know if it needs to be the size of a sheet of paper or a legal sh like the sizing

[Speaker 6] (1:54:56 - 1:54:57)
Wer but no one's debating the flow

[Speaker 3] (1:54:57 - 1:54:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:54:57 - 1:54:58)
flow

[Speaker 3] (1:54:58 - 1:54:58)
no.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:58 - 1:54:59)
thing. We're not debating the flow.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:59 - 1:54:59)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:59 - 1:54:59)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:59 - 1:55:00)
that's part of the That's Sunday stand

[Speaker 5] (1:55:00 - 1:55:01)
part of it without

[Speaker 1] (1:55:01 - 1:55:01)
-up.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:01 - 1:55:01)
But

[Speaker 5] (1:55:01 - 1:55:01)
this information.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:01 - 1:55:06)
but no it's part of it, but the the thing we're objecting to is your last bullet about talking to regulators.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:06 - 1:55:07)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:07 - 1:55:07)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:55:07 - 1:55:15)
With the flow maybe Dave is fine with that. But I'm just saying like that the first three all the data collection great, because to me that that

[Speaker 1] (1:55:15 - 1:55:16)
Helps us to plan

[Speaker 6] (1:55:16 - 1:55:16)
tailors

[Speaker 1] (1:55:16 - 1:55:16)
our minutes.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:17 - 1:55:18)
Are we really successful with

[Speaker 3] (1:55:18 - 1:55:19)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (1:55:19 - 1:55:19)
the pipes

[Speaker 3] (1:55:19 - 1:55:19)
right,

[Speaker 5] (1:55:19 - 1:55:19)
or not?

[Speaker 3] (1:55:19 - 1:55:20)
right.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:20 - 1:55:28)
I'm not saying I know that that's the end of the story and that's absolutely the holy grail. But it certainly seemed like we were closer or right on the march.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:29 - 1:55:33)
So if we kept focused on that, that's a possible full solution.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:34 - 1:55:35)
We've always been like,

[Speaker 5] (1:55:35 - 1:55:35)
well,

[Speaker 5] (1:55:35 - 1:55:37)
we need to kind of hedge our bets. We need the complementary.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:39 - 1:55:52)
I'm not sure. And I'm just saying I want to pause about all these other distractions and I want to know definitively and tailor that data collection solely about making sure is ironclad clear whether or not the solution can be the pipes.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:52 - 1:55:55)
And that includes the downstream piece.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:55 - 1:55:56)
Remember that piece

[Speaker 1] (1:55:56 - 1:55:56)
like

[Speaker 5] (1:55:56 - 1:55:57)
too?

[Speaker 1] (1:55:57 - 1:55:57)
post-treatment

[Speaker 5] (1:55:57 - 1:55:59)
The post-treatment. Like what,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:59 - 1:55:59)
Yes,

[Speaker 5] (1:55:59 - 1:56:00)
what, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:56:00 - 1:56:00)
that's the sediment.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:00 - 1:56:03)
Okay, so that's, that's the point.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:04 - 1:56:05)
So it sounds

[Speaker 6] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
But for like me,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:05 - 1:56:06)
we're all in agreement.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:06 - 1:56:07)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:07 - 1:56:10)
Well, Mary Ellen, maybe we haven't heard your point of view, but mo

[Speaker 5] (1:56:10 - 1:56:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:10 - 1:56:11)
I think

[Speaker 7] (1:56:11 - 1:56:11)
You heard it?

[Speaker 1] (1:56:11 - 1:56:16)
the four okay, so maybe we have the four of us are in agreement that the three bullet points that you've listed

[Speaker 1] (1:56:17 - 1:56:17)
seem,

[Speaker 5] (1:56:17 - 1:56:19)
So further skinny it.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:19 - 1:56:20)
seems great.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:20 - 1:56:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:20 - 1:56:30)
What I think it might be good is if you came back to us to understand how much of the $77,000 is attributed to conversations with regulators are we talking about

[Speaker 3] (1:56:30 - 1:56:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:30 - 1:56:37)
a thousand or are we talking about seventy thousand just let us understand what the portion is and what that actually

[Speaker 1] (1:56:38 - 1:56:39)
For maybe a,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:39 - 1:56:39)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:56:39 - 1:56:39)
what

[Speaker 3] (1:56:39 - 1:56:40)
what it it gets you.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:40 - 1:56:41)
get says.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:41 - 1:56:44)
You know, I don't know that so much about the dollars. Was it ten thousand

[Speaker 6] (1:56:44 - 1:56:44)
That's

[Speaker 5] (1:56:44 - 1:56:44)
or

[Speaker 3] (1:56:44 - 1:56:44)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (1:56:44 - 1:56:44)
what,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:44 - 1:56:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:44 - 1:56:46)
that's not the issue. It's more about staying

[Speaker 1] (1:56:46 - 1:56:46)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (1:56:46 - 1:56:48)
cl close, staying clear on what we're trying to solve.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:48 - 1:56:49)
so if I could

[Speaker 1] (1:56:49 - 1:56:49)
for me it might

[Speaker 6] (1:56:49 - 1:56:49)
if

[Speaker 1] (1:56:49 - 1:56:49)
be

[Speaker 6] (1:56:49 - 1:56:50)
I could

[Speaker 1] (1:56:50 - 1:56:50)
the about the

[Speaker 5] (1:56:50 - 1:56:59)
ask dollars. well, if you're comfortable seventy seven, are you comfortable with less? Is the real question. So if we were to go back and say it's four bullets, we want three.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:00 - 1:57:02)
Are you guys willing to do this? Yes, no.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:03 - 1:57:14)
Like, so if there is an appetite for that, it would be, I think, easier if you could express that appetite tonight to say, you know, data collection,

[Speaker 5] (1:57:14 - 1:57:23)
yes, regulators, no, that that should just be, you know, Nick, Jared and the elected officials trying to get in touch with DEP and EPA,

[Speaker 5] (1:57:23 - 1:57:26)
but authorise that now.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:27 - 1:57:31)
knowing that I will not agree to something that includes the regulators,

[Speaker 5] (1:57:31 - 1:57:42)
which means in January it would be, I'm coming back to say, we couldn't come to an agreement. You know, it was regulators are bust, and so that would be the feedback in the future.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:42 - 1:57:46)
As it would be easier for me if you say, like, go forth.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:47 - 1:57:47)
We're comfortable?

[Speaker 5] (1:57:47 - 1:57:48)
Go ahead, David, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:48 - 1:58:02)
No, no, no, I s I still don't understand why we wouldn't wanna hear from from the regulators as to whether the what their what their opinion is of the U_V_ If the U_V_ if the regulators say the U_V_ is is not worth pursuing, that comes off the table.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:02 - 1:58:02)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:58:02 - 1:58:02)
Then

[Speaker 5] (1:58:02 - 1:58:02)
understand

[Speaker 7] (1:58:02 - 1:58:02)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:58:02 - 1:58:03)
we

[Speaker 5] (1:58:03 - 1:58:03)
I that.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:03 - 1:58:03)
then because we then we

[Speaker 7] (1:58:03 - 1:58:03)
off the table.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:03 - 1:58:04)
p

[Speaker 5] (1:58:04 - 1:58:04)
But if we've already

[Speaker 6] (1:58:04 - 1:58:04)
what

[Speaker 5] (1:58:04 - 1:58:04)
taken

[Speaker 6] (1:58:04 - 1:58:05)
he said.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:05 - 1:58:06)
off the table, why do we have to waste your time

[Speaker 7] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
being

[Speaker 1] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
Yes,

[Speaker 7] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
exactly.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:06 - 1:58:07)
so stranded

[Speaker 1] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
we're just off the

[Speaker 5] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
with

[Speaker 1] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
table.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
something

[Speaker 1] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
We're

[Speaker 5] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
we

[Speaker 1] (1:58:07 - 1:58:08)
not even

[Speaker 5] (1:58:08 - 1:58:08)
don't want

[Speaker 1] (1:58:08 - 1:58:08)
going to

[Speaker 5] (1:58:08 - 1:58:08)
to Well, do?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:08 - 1:58:13)
get there. the fact of the matter might may very well be that we come back and say Swampscott's willing to join you for

[Speaker 1] (1:58:13 - 1:58:28)
for three of these full four bullet points so if half of this you figure out what the regulators pieces and you city of Lynn cover that on your own and Swampscott will cover half of these three bullet points or whatever it is like I don't there's a compromise to be had it sounds like and

[Speaker 1] (1:58:29 - 1:58:34)
That should just be the conversation that we have if you're looking for us to motion something that's like that tonight.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:34 - 1:58:36)
I don't know that you necessarily need a vote, it's

[Speaker 1] (1:58:36 - 1:58:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:36 - 1:58:37)
pretty clear in

[Speaker 1] (1:58:37 - 1:58:39)
But I think that's that's what we just go back

[Speaker 5] (1:58:39 - 1:58:39)
if you

[Speaker 1] (1:58:39 - 1:58:39)
and say.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:39 - 1:58:40)
if you want

[Speaker 1] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
We're

[Speaker 5] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
not feel interested

[Speaker 5] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
free,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
in

[Speaker 5] (1:58:40 - 1:58:42)
but I I wouldn't

[Speaker 1] (1:58:42 - 1:58:44)
I think I think we made ourselves pretty clear, but

[Speaker 7] (1:58:45 - 1:59:04)
I'm not s I'm just not sold on why these bullet points are really important, but I mean that maybe I'm I don't understand, I just don't have an understanding of it, and I would like to ask a couple of the members of the water and sewer commission their opinion on it so I'd have a better understanding. But right now I I just have a hard time wanting to spend any

[Speaker 2] (1:59:09 - 1:59:14)
Because fixing our pipes is not going to clean the beach, it's not going to open it up, it's not going to open up King's Beach.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:14 - 1:59:15)
It, it, it, we've

[Speaker 1] (1:59:15 - 1:59:16)
Oh we're not

[Speaker 2] (1:59:16 - 1:59:17)
heard this, we've heard this over and over.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:24)
I'm not sure I'd buy that and I I don't see us I don't I don't see us building a facility to

[Speaker 2] (1:59:26 - 1:59:26)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (1:59:26 - 1:59:26)
To

[Speaker 2] (1:59:26 - 1:59:26)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:59:26 - 1:59:28)
do what you think we can

[Speaker 2] (1:59:28 - 1:59:28)
don't

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:29)
possibly

[Speaker 2] (1:59:29 - 1:59:29)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:59:29 - 1:59:29)
do.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:29 - 1:59:35)
don't I honestly don't see us building a a UV facility either. So I I mean I I thought

[Speaker 2] (1:59:36 - 1:59:56)
I thought it makes sense for us to have communications with the regulators, have the regulators give us give us an opinion on the on the on the U_V_ and that that then directs potentially the city of Lynn to say hey you know what this U_V_ is off the table, let's move forward with another complimentary solution. Uh the fact is, you know, we're looking at

[Speaker 3] (1:59:56 - 1:59:56)
If

[Speaker 2] (1:59:56 - 1:59:56)
you

[Speaker 3] (1:59:56 - 1:59:56)
they

[Speaker 2] (1:59:56 - 1:59:56)
know we're

[Speaker 3] (1:59:56 - 1:59:56)
say no,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:56 - 1:59:57)
if if they

[Speaker 3] (1:59:57 - 1:59:57)
if if we ask

[Speaker 2] (1:59:57 - 1:59:58)
they if

[Speaker 3] (1:59:58 - 1:59:58)
them and they they

[Speaker 2] (1:59:58 - 1:59:58)
say no.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:58 - 1:59:59)
yes, then what?

[Speaker 2] (2:00:00 - 2:00:00)
But let's

[Speaker 4] (2:00:00 - 2:00:01)
Then we have feedback, I guess.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:01 - 2:00:02)
we don't we don't know.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:02 - 2:00:02)
Well

[Speaker 2] (2:00:02 - 2:00:08)
we we're not gonna we're never gonna know unless i mean we're just literally saying uh no we don't we don't want to we don't want to see it or hear it

[Speaker 3] (2:00:08 - 2:00:11)
Well no, that that's making it sound like we're afraid,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:11 - 2:00:11)
No, but maybe

[Speaker 3] (2:00:11 - 2:00:13)
we're j I'd say okay, I've said enough.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:13 - 2:00:13)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:13 - 2:00:14)
i

[Speaker 5] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
no

[Speaker 1] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
mean

[Speaker 2] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
but i i

[Speaker 1] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
is

[Speaker 2] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:00:14 - 2:00:19)
it reasonable to assume that the regulators, and every time I hear this I think of the stupid

[Speaker 2] (2:00:19 - 2:00:19)
yeah mount

[Speaker 1] (2:00:19 - 2:00:20)
song,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:20 - 2:00:20)
it mount it

[Speaker 1] (2:00:20 - 2:00:20)
I really

[Speaker 2] (2:00:20 - 2:00:20)
up yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:00:20 - 2:00:20)
do,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:21 - 2:00:23)
um the regulators will tell us

[Speaker 1] (2:00:24 - 2:00:38)
i not necessarily about u_v_ or what it will they tell us what it will take right to remove the consent decree like what uh it doesn't only have to be u_v_ is my point right is there would they suggest something else? I don't know. This

[Speaker 6] (2:00:38 - 2:00:38)
Or this.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:38 - 2:00:39)
organisation sounds

[Speaker 6] (2:00:39 - 2:00:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:39 - 2:00:39)
like God

[Speaker 3] (2:00:39 - 2:00:40)
It's and called

[Speaker 1] (2:00:40 - 2:00:43)
no one can speak to them. Yeah, if that is what they've seen,

[Speaker 3] (2:00:43 - 2:00:43)
Good times.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:43 - 2:00:50)
I mean so what else do we need from them, right? What other conversations need to be had if they've already told us what it is we need to do?

[Speaker 7] (2:00:50 - 2:00:54)
Do just because we don't want to have the conversation doesn't mean the conversation will be had.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:00:54 - 2:00:55)
It just means

[Speaker 3] (2:00:55 - 2:00:55)
we're

[Speaker 7] (2:00:55 - 2:00:55)
we're not going to pay for it.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:55 - 2:00:56)
yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:56 - 2:00:57)
So I don't I don't

[Speaker 7] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
So let's

[Speaker 8] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
know what they

[Speaker 7] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
just say

[Speaker 8] (2:00:57 - 2:00:58)
could

[Speaker 7] (2:00:58 - 2:00:58)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:00:58 - 2:00:58)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:00:58 - 2:01:04)
could like benefit from by having that right doesn't I can't see the value. I don't know but maybe there is and I just don't know it

[Speaker 7] (2:01:05 - 2:01:09)
I just feel like we're in a different mindset because of the IDTE work and the success

[Speaker 8] (2:01:09 - 2:01:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:01:09 - 2:01:12)
we've seen in town due to the IDTE work. So we're just

[Speaker 8] (2:01:12 - 2:01:12)
we

[Speaker 7] (2:01:12 - 2:01:12)
in

[Speaker 8] (2:01:12 - 2:01:13)
feel

[Speaker 7] (2:01:13 - 2:01:13)
a different

[Speaker 8] (2:01:13 - 2:01:13)
like we're on

[Speaker 7] (2:01:13 - 2:01:13)
mindset.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:13 - 2:01:14)
the right path and

[Speaker 7] (2:01:14 - 2:01:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:14 - 2:01:17)
we're almost at the end. So it's hard to say, oh no.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:17 - 2:01:23)
But then who knows a year from now we might have this conversation again and have a different perspective because we did

[Speaker 2] (2:01:23 - 2:01:23)
Could

[Speaker 7] (2:01:23 - 2:01:23)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:01:23 - 2:01:24)
have hot

[Speaker 7] (2:01:24 - 2:01:24)
2A

[Speaker 2] (2:01:24 - 2:01:24)
spots on

[Speaker 7] (2:01:24 - 2:01:24)
work

[Speaker 8] (2:01:24 - 2:01:25)
Yeah, they

[Speaker 2] (2:01:25 - 2:01:25)
it.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:25 - 2:01:25)
told

[Speaker 7] (2:01:25 - 2:01:25)
and we

[Speaker 8] (2:01:25 - 2:01:25)
us that.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:25 - 2:01:25)
still haven't

[Speaker 3] (2:01:25 - 2:01:25)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:01:25 - 2:01:26)
Do we

[Speaker 7] (2:01:26 - 2:01:26)
seen

[Speaker 9] (2:01:26 - 2:01:27)
Can I just want to highlight,

[Speaker 8] (2:01:27 - 2:01:27)
they

[Speaker 9] (2:01:27 - 2:01:28)
they did say that, that when we

[Speaker 8] (2:01:28 - 2:01:28)
did,

[Speaker 9] (2:01:28 - 2:01:28)
get to the

[Speaker 8] (2:01:28 - 2:01:28)
yeah,

[Speaker 9] (2:01:28 - 2:01:29)
end of 2A,

[Speaker 9] (2:01:29 - 2:01:31)
it might be that they say like there's this area that actually

[Speaker 3] (2:01:31 - 2:01:32)
of

[Speaker 9] (2:01:32 - 2:01:32)
is still

[Speaker 3] (2:01:32 - 2:01:32)
course

[Speaker 9] (2:01:32 - 2:01:32)
hot.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:32 - 2:01:32)
we will.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:32 - 2:01:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
Of

[Speaker 10] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
I course.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
just they need

[Speaker 10] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
that's

[Speaker 7] (2:01:33 - 2:01:34)
to get more information to

[Speaker 3] (2:01:34 - 2:01:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
make

[Speaker 3] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
And

[Speaker 7] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
that decision

[Speaker 3] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
we've got

[Speaker 7] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
without

[Speaker 3] (2:01:35 - 2:01:46)
1.5 million here and we've got another 1.5 million capital and we've got an SRF loan that we've got lined up as well and so we've got plenty of money to finish this work and then keep going after hotspots.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:46 - 2:01:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:47 - 2:01:50)
So just to be clear, it's a skinnier, further skinny this,

[Speaker 9] (2:01:50 - 2:01:51)
it'll

[Speaker 2] (2:01:51 - 2:01:51)
It's

[Speaker 9] (2:01:51 - 2:01:51)
be less,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:51 - 2:01:52)
protest in the sediment

[Speaker 9] (2:01:52 - 2:01:52)
right,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:52 - 2:01:53)
and in the wet weather

[Speaker 9] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
first.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
Literally

[Speaker 9] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
first.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:53 - 2:01:54)
just the testing,

[Speaker 7] (2:01:54 - 2:01:55)
not the conversation.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:55 - 2:01:56)
I will talk to folks tomorrow.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:56 - 2:01:57)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:58 - 2:02:00)
And is there any more any other

[Speaker 7] (2:02:00 - 2:02:03)
What about the peer review? Let's be really clear to think about that.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:03 - 2:02:15)
Because I because originally I was very hot in the peer review. I think like I said given where we are now I I request a proposed scope of work for that hundred thousand dollars and what that would be looking at,

[Speaker 8] (2:02:15 - 2:02:15)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:02:15 - 2:02:15)
but

[Speaker 8] (2:02:15 - 2:02:27)
would I would respectfully ask for you to dumb down what the peer review is so that I I'm gonna say it I and everybody of the seven people plus one that are listening understand

[Speaker 9] (2:02:27 - 2:02:28)
Because others out

[Speaker 8] (2:02:28 - 2:02:28)
exactly

[Speaker 9] (2:02:28 - 2:02:28)
there.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:28 - 2:02:30)
what we're talking about when we say

[Speaker 8] (2:02:30 - 2:02:32)
say peer review in

[Speaker 9] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:32 - 2:02:33)
this case, please.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:33 - 2:02:46)
I think it's really important that peer review is that you want to be able to come back and have somebody else to say you're you're on the right you're on the right path, keep up what you're doing or you're take a different take a detour here and

[Speaker 8] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
you just

[Speaker 8] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
in

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
want

[Speaker 8] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
this

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
a rubber

[Speaker 8] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
case,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:47)
stamp.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:47 - 2:02:49)
the hundred thousand for a peer review equals

[Speaker 9] (2:02:50 - 2:02:54)
So it's for I just want to ask a question though. It's for both I_D_D_E_ and U_V_

[Speaker 7] (2:02:54 - 2:02:54)
No.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:54 - 2:02:55)
TV review or just

[Speaker 8] (2:02:55 - 2:02:55)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:55 - 2:02:55)
No,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:55 - 2:02:56)
I_D_D_E_

[Speaker 7] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
no.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
no.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:56 - 2:02:57)
just I_D_D_I_

[Speaker 9] (2:02:57 - 2:02:58)
I d I made the note.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:58 - 2:02:59)
worse a little

[Speaker 9] (2:02:59 - 2:03:02)
Doug I'm not trying to make it worse. I made a note to myself and I wanted to ask it so it doesn't go unsaid, okay?

[Speaker 8] (2:03:02 - 2:03:05)
This is why I asked to dumb it down. Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:05 - 2:03:09)
Yeah, no just this is just our work that we've been doing in town alone.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:10 - 2:03:12)
I will work on a scope with

[Speaker 1] (2:03:12 - 2:03:13)
You remove that U_V_

[Speaker 7] (2:03:13 - 2:03:13)
For

[Speaker 1] (2:03:13 - 2:03:13)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (2:03:13 - 2:03:13)
instance,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:13 - 2:03:16)
it has to be just in this section because it's the two

[Speaker 7] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
point just the

[Speaker 1] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
five

[Speaker 7] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
work just

[Speaker 1] (2:03:16 - 2:03:17)
for the

[Speaker 7] (2:03:17 - 2:03:17)
the work that

[Speaker 1] (2:03:17 - 2:03:17)
Stacy

[Speaker 7] (2:03:17 - 2:03:17)
would just

[Speaker 1] (2:03:17 - 2:03:17)
Brook.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:18 - 2:03:18)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:18 - 2:03:20)
the work that affects the Stacy Brook

[Speaker 1] (2:03:20 - 2:03:20)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:20 - 2:03:22)
portion because that's the condition of

[Speaker 1] (2:03:22 - 2:03:22)
the That's

[Speaker 7] (2:03:22 - 2:03:22)
2

[Speaker 1] (2:03:22 - 2:03:22)
the condition

[Speaker 7] (2:03:22 - 2:03:23)
.5

[Speaker 1] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23)
of

[Speaker 7] (2:03:23 - 2:03:24)
million right that

[Speaker 9] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24)
affects

[Speaker 1] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:24 - 2:03:25)
Stacy Brook.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:25 - 2:03:26)
Stop talking You to yourself.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:26 - 2:03:27)
will you will draft it there.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:27 - 2:03:28)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:28 - 2:03:33)
You have to we we have to or else it's not the correct allocation of the funds that was allocated to us.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:33 - 2:03:39)
We will be certain that it represents and connects to the allocations that were made we had a long conversation with that.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:39 - 2:03:45)
with Eric and Bill to make sure that any of this discussion would fit into that. So we will continue to be cognisant of that.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:45 - 2:03:50)
And and also we have to spend the money the money the money by the end of next year.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:50 - 2:03:51)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:51 - 2:03:51)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:03:51 - 2:03:51)
Twenty

[Speaker 7] (2:03:51 - 2:03:51)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:03:51 - 2:03:51)
twenty.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:51 - 2:03:57)
scope has to be attainable to be executionable by the end of next year. So that's also a factor.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:57 - 2:04:01)
Well, but that actually circles back to the initial conversation about do we need to spend this one point five million

[Speaker 8] (2:04:01 - 2:04:02)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:02 - 2:04:03)
out of this versus the capital.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:03 - 2:04:03)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:03 - 2:04:05)
This has to be spent next year.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:05 - 2:04:05)
here.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:05 - 2:04:05)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:05 - 2:04:08)
So it's another reason why we need to spend it out of here,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:08 - 2:04:09)
even

[Speaker 9] (2:04:09 - 2:04:09)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:09 - 2:04:10)
though, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:10 - 2:04:15)
Totally agree. And but it's also why we thought if there was a need to cleave off a small portion,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:15 - 2:04:20)
we could still spend down all of it. And you know, like, but yes, we're cognizant of that as well.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:20 - 2:04:22)
Are you going to make the argument about the regulators now?

[Speaker 8] (2:04:22 - 2:04:23)
No, he's not.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:23 - 2:04:23)
Nope.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:23 - 2:04:25)
I want to make a joke about the song.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:25 - 2:04:26)
I want to make a joke about the song, but I won't.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:26 - 2:04:28)
R and G will be here next week. Fine.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:29 - 2:04:30)
Alrighty. So

[Speaker 3] (2:04:30 - 2:04:33)
And the peer review, just to be clear, it's not about extending the peer,

[Speaker 8] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
right.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:33 - 2:04:34)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:34 - 2:04:34)
I'm

[Speaker 8] (2:04:34 - 2:04:34)
That's sorry. why I'm saying,

[Speaker 7] (2:04:34 - 2:04:36)
God forbid, uh,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:36 - 2:04:36)
Is that

[Speaker 7] (2:04:36 - 2:04:36)
hey,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:36 - 2:04:36)
two E's?

[Speaker 7] (2:04:36 - 2:04:37)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:04:37 - 2:04:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:37 - 2:04:37)
saying we're

[Speaker 3] (2:04:37 - 2:04:38)
Two E's?

[Speaker 7] (2:04:38 - 2:04:38)
going

[Speaker 3] (2:04:38 - 2:04:38)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:38 - 2:04:39)
to be moving on, my friends,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:39 - 2:04:40)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:40 - 2:04:40)
to

[Speaker 9] (2:04:40 - 2:04:40)
So.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:40 - 2:04:42)
no.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:42 - 2:04:43)
Go ahead, Doug.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:44 - 2:04:44)
No.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:44 - 2:04:44)
Sorry.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:44 - 2:04:47)
The yeah, we are moving on. The next one is just my request

[Speaker 8] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
Oh, for great.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:47 - 2:04:50)
guidance from you all at a very high level. And

[Speaker 8] (2:04:50 - 2:04:50)
You

[Speaker 9] (2:04:50 - 2:04:50)
we

[Speaker 8] (2:04:50 - 2:04:50)
sure

[Speaker 9] (2:04:50 - 2:04:51)
talked

[Speaker 8] (2:04:51 - 2:04:51)
you

[Speaker 9] (2:04:51 - 2:04:51)
about this

[Speaker 8] (2:04:51 - 2:04:51)
want more

[Speaker 9] (2:04:51 - 2:04:51)
topic.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:51 - 2:04:52)
guidance from us?

[Speaker 9] (2:04:52 - 2:04:52)
I I do.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:52 - 2:04:53)
don't know.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:53 - 2:04:53)
I do.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:54 - 2:04:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:54 - 2:04:55)
Are we doing a UV?

[Speaker 7] (2:04:55 - 2:04:57)
Do we have our goals somewhere in the packet?

[Speaker 3] (2:04:57 - 2:04:58)
No.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
No,

[Speaker 8] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
What happened?

[Speaker 9] (2:04:58 - 2:05:00)
this was I was just.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
It was?

[Speaker 7] (2:05:01 - 2:05:05)
No, I said, are we just supposed to remember? 'Cause remember we wrote them all out but

[Speaker 8] (2:05:05 - 2:05:05)
Yeah, so we had a nice little

[Speaker 9] (2:05:05 - 2:05:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:06 - 2:05:06)
s

[Speaker 3] (2:05:06 - 2:05:06)
Hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:06 - 2:05:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:06 - 2:05:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:06 - 2:05:06)
graph.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:06 - 2:05:07)
You had your

[Speaker 9] (2:05:07 - 2:05:07)
I I think

[Speaker 1] (2:05:07 - 2:05:08)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:05:08 - 2:05:08)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (2:05:08 - 2:05:08)
Yeah, that was

[Speaker 8] (2:05:08 - 2:05:09)
it was Excel spreadsheet

[Speaker 9] (2:05:09 - 2:05:09)
our request

[Speaker 1] (2:05:09 - 2:05:09)
pretty cool.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:09 - 2:05:09)
you

[Speaker 9] (2:05:09 - 2:05:09)
tonight

[Speaker 8] (2:05:09 - 2:05:09)
made over

[Speaker 9] (2:05:09 - 2:05:10)
at least.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:10 - 2:05:10)
there.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:10 - 2:05:11)
Okay, I bet Diane has

[Speaker 9] (2:05:11 - 2:05:11)
My

[Speaker 8] (2:05:11 - 2:05:11)
it.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:11 - 2:05:14)
request tonight at least was that

[Speaker 7] (2:05:14 - 2:05:15)
You had a picture.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:15 - 2:05:18)
that and that we can find the picture maybe and put it up on the screen even.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:18 - 2:05:20)
Okay, I was gonna guarantee he

[Speaker 2] (2:05:20 - 2:05:20)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:05:20 - 2:05:20)
has

[Speaker 2] (2:05:20 - 2:05:20)
don't think

[Speaker 3] (2:05:20 - 2:05:20)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:20 - 2:05:21)
I do, I don't know, do I?

[Speaker 7] (2:05:21 - 2:05:22)
Search white board.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:22 - 2:05:27)
So my request is as we're starting the budget process with

[Speaker 9] (2:05:27 - 2:05:49)
S with staff, in a much broader way going into the new year, is understanding priorities, service levels, strategic goals, that you all and it can just be the like point me back to the list put together and that can be how we do this, but particularly around service levels and staffing like we're obviously gonna be very cognisant of limiting or not creating new positions like that's a a goal of ours from you know from the outset.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:50 - 2:05:53)
But you know staffing is a big driver uh

[Speaker 9] (2:05:54 - 2:06:09)
And being creative about regional opportunities, I'm actually meeting Thatcher next week. I've had continuing conversations with Alison where Alison and I have kicked around a few different ideas. I it's not gonna balance the budget on this alone, but we're certainly being creative and open to anything that might be out there. Um

[Speaker 9] (2:06:11 - 2:06:23)
you know, service delivery, the what you want us to protect, what's most important, um and the idea of level service versus level funding is something that we could conceivably think about and maybe come back to you with.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:24 - 2:06:49)
showing you two options of like this is what the impact would look like if we say level funding is the most important thing or stay completely within um or what does it look like when we stay completely within the policies how does that impact service levels uh a part of what I was hoping to get from you all tonight is you know if there were any particular services parts of town government that are most important that you want us to be cognizant of where if there's some difficult decisions to make in coming back to you

[Speaker 9] (2:06:50 - 2:07:02)
that we try to make some of them in advance, highlight them, explain to you how we came to the conclusions, uh but just like general direction from you all on, you know, it's primarily level service level fun, but the impacts and where you want us to be looking.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:04 - 2:07:11)
Knowing that revenue and expenditure, we are in the red already uh most likely.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:12 - 2:07:13)
It's a.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:13 - 2:07:28)
There's a number of different ways and different things we can bring back to you, but I wanted to sort of ask from your for your guidance on what it is you would like to see from us, what those goals and priorities might be in terms of service levels and and parts of town government that you think would be most important to prioritise as we make those difficult decisions.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:29 - 2:07:33)
I have one thought, but I'm happy to yield to the chair.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:34 - 2:07:37)
No, I would love it if you went first, because if your thought is my thought, I don't have to say it.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:40 - 2:07:41)
The odds of that.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:41 - 2:07:50)
I do think we did spend time going through the goals, so I think that from my perspective should be the the core of the frame that you're using.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:50 - 2:07:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:50 - 2:07:56)
Um out of that one thing comes to mind. It feels like I

[Speaker 3] (2:07:57 - 2:08:04)
think it would be very difficult to go for level funding versus level service. Um

[Speaker 8] (2:08:04 - 2:08:04)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:04 - 2:08:05)
it's probably gonna be some

[Speaker 3] (2:08:06 - 2:08:06)
blend but

[Speaker 2] (2:08:06 - 2:08:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:07 - 2:08:28)
I imagine it's gonna be very difficult to stay away from level service but I hope you know open to creative thinking but I think that's gonna be a lot of tweaking around the edges the thing that comes to mind is like the

[Speaker 3] (2:08:30 - 2:08:34)
The unused or sub-used property thing that came up a lot

[Speaker 8] (2:08:34 - 2:08:34)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:34 - 2:08:36)
in a lot of our goals,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:36 - 2:08:43)
and it's a one-time, I'll admit readily, it's kind of a one-time patch perspective,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:44 - 2:08:52)
but since we are in this like trough that we hope will be coming out of in a couple of years with new growth,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:52 - 2:08:57)
is there even like one piece of town property?

[Speaker 3] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
that we could focus in on.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:03 - 2:09:03)
Huh.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:03 - 2:09:11)
such that we would be raising a significant amount of money in the relative near term.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:11 - 2:09:14)
And are you suggesting to apply that to the operating budget?

[Speaker 4] (2:09:17 - 2:09:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
It

[Speaker 4] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
I mean,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
sounds like it.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:09:18 - 2:09:19)
Just

[Speaker 4] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
I think

[Speaker 3] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
just want

[Speaker 4] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
to I just

[Speaker 4] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
what he's

[Speaker 3] (2:09:19 - 2:09:20)
want to suggesting. be clear.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:20 - 2:09:20)
I can't.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:20 - 2:09:20)
But said.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:20 - 2:09:21)
What's that?

[Speaker 4] (2:09:21 - 2:09:22)
I said I think that's what he's suggested.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:22 - 2:09:24)
That I just want that's why I asked if it is

[Speaker 1] (2:09:24 - 2:09:24)
is

[Speaker 3] (2:09:24 - 2:09:24)
certain

[Speaker 1] (2:09:24 - 2:09:25)
possible

[Speaker 3] (2:09:25 - 2:09:25)
more room.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:25 - 2:09:28)
in certain ways or somehow or whatever, like there's um

[Speaker 3] (2:09:29 - 2:09:38)
So my personal opinion, but I take direction from you all, is I do not want to balance the budget on one time revenue. I it's

[Speaker 4] (2:09:38 - 2:09:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:39 - 2:09:39)
I I understand.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:39 - 2:09:45)
If the trop extends a year, if it's worse than we expect if something goes wrong that we aren't can't foresee.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:45 - 2:09:54)
It's I mean of all the of all the financial policies that I think we might be open to having a discussion about that would be one that I think very broadly people

[Speaker 3] (2:09:55 - 2:10:00)
in the my short time here would not be in favour of. It is a very

[Speaker 4] (2:10:00 - 2:10:01)
Depends on the property.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:01 - 2:10:05)
Okay, but it bit if we have something if we if we have something that's sitting around not being used

[Speaker 4] (2:10:05 - 2:10:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:05 - 2:10:14)
and we're being good stewards of the fact that like not only are we not using something but we're incurring costs or maintenance or utilities or whatever it is,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:14 - 2:10:24)
you can categorise it as you know selling something to balance the budget on a one time you know sale or you could say we're actually kind of disposing of things we don't need.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:24 - 2:10:37)
need, and then we're creating funds that they're gonna drop to free cash effectively and will be useful to us. Maybe it's not right time frame, but if we don't start that process, then it'll never yield a benefit for us.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:37 - 2:10:38)
Right, I

[Speaker 4] (2:10:38 - 2:10:38)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:10:38 - 2:10:38)
just

[Speaker 4] (2:10:38 - 2:10:38)
I think,

[Speaker 3] (2:10:38 - 2:10:38)
mean like

[Speaker 4] (2:10:38 - 2:10:39)
too,

[Speaker 3] (2:10:39 - 2:10:39)
something

[Speaker 4] (2:10:39 - 2:10:39)
to

[Speaker 3] (2:10:39 - 2:10:44)
I would see it be more important to spend on other capital assets that we do need, want and

[Speaker 3] (2:10:45 - 2:10:48)
It it's fine. Right. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:48 - 2:10:48)
But I think to Doug's

[Speaker 3] (2:10:48 - 2:10:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:49 - 2:10:55)
point, I mean, through our goals, that that property discussion was a common theme,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:55 - 2:11:05)
right? So that was something that a couple of us had mentioned in that goal spreadsheet that we were looking at. I know that you and I were properties in town, maybe underutilized properties in town.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:05 - 2:11:13)
And I think that this is definitely the time to inventory them, right? And just see what we're looking at. I mean, to be quite, even though we're three and a half miles there.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:13 - 2:11:18)
There's a lot of property that people don't think about as often, right, that could be sitting,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:18 - 2:11:22)
that is sitting. I mean, there's Clark School and there's, you know.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:23 - 2:11:39)
Or else true whatever. There's stuff out there that the town owns, right? So getting a good working knowledge of, you know, what our plan is for each of these properties. Maybe there is something we can consider. You know, to your point though, I know it's not good financial practice to sell, you know, an asset,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:39 - 2:11:48)
right, to satisfy one year of a budgetary crunch. But I think that we still need to know, like our portfolio of property,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:48 - 2:11:49)
like where is something,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:49 - 2:11:52)
you know, what should we be looking at? What could we get?

[Speaker 4] (2:11:52 - 2:11:55)
we consider out of the box thinking? Maybe it is something,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:55 - 2:11:55)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:11:55 - 2:11:55)
you

[Speaker 3] (2:11:55 - 2:11:55)
my

[Speaker 4] (2:11:55 - 2:11:56)
know.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:56 - 2:12:03)
thought on the goals was to come back in January after I've been here for three months to say here, here's what we can do, here's what we have done.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:04 - 2:12:09)
I actually would argue that this conversation is separate from what I'm asking for in budget guidance.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:09 - 2:12:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:09 - 2:12:12)
We do need to do it because it's a goal that you all prioritize

[Speaker 4] (2:12:12 - 2:12:12)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:12 - 2:12:17)
and make sure that we do have a list of surplus property or potential surplus property.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:18 - 2:12:24)
I it's not that is not a it's not a good way for us to budget it I

[Speaker 4] (2:12:24 - 2:12:24)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:24 - 2:12:34)
think it's a dual track where yes we need to do that because the five of you sat here and went through a long meeting and identified things and that was a common theme I don't necessarily agree that it's

[Speaker 3] (2:12:35 - 2:12:37)
relative to like

[Speaker 4] (2:12:37 - 2:12:37)
So the question

[Speaker 3] (2:12:37 - 2:12:37)
my idea

[Speaker 4] (2:12:37 - 2:12:38)
you're asking

[Speaker 3] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38)
of like

[Speaker 4] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38)
tonight,

[Speaker 4] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:38 - 2:12:41)
how do you want me to be thinking about this as I talk to town staff?

[Speaker 4] (2:12:42 - 2:12:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:42 - 2:12:47)
Well, I'm not even sure if we can if if we sold anything if we could apply those proceeds to

[Speaker 7] (2:12:48 - 2:12:52)
I don't think they fall to free cash. I think they fall to future land

[Speaker 4] (2:12:52 - 2:12:52)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:52 - 2:12:53)
acquisitions.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:53 - 2:12:53)
I understand.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:53 - 2:12:54)
I mean, until we have clarification there,

[Speaker 4] (2:12:54 - 2:12:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:55 - 2:13:10)
I I mean, I I I want I I'd want to certainly have uh clarification uh there. But we should check in with um with the director of community and economic development. I believe this was an exercise that we that we dove into maybe three,

[Speaker 7] (2:13:10 - 2:13:12)
four, maybe five years ago.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:14 - 2:13:17)
We looked at this, uh this is how Pine Street uh

[Speaker 4] (2:13:17 - 2:13:17)
What

[Speaker 7] (2:13:17 - 2:13:17)
came

[Speaker 4] (2:13:17 - 2:13:18)
they did.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
to be.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:18 - 2:13:28)
Yeah Pine Street came to be through uh through an identification process of town owned and for sale parcels. Uh so I think a lot of that information already exists.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:28 - 2:13:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:28 - 2:13:30)
Uh so so that's that's one thing.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:31 - 2:13:41)
I I was looking at my goals um I I don't think I was in attendance at the uh at the meeting but something else that that I had thought about was um you know we had you know we'd looked at our

[Speaker 7] (2:13:42 - 2:14:01)
At our budget we looked at you know how you know how much f uh how much we had been expending. Uh I know the legal line had been over the last few years, insurance had been up. Can we look at potentially R_F_P_ing um our legal services for the town of Swampscott uh maybe that gives us some relief.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:02 - 2:14:06)
Um, you know, I know insurance was something that we had also looked at. What's the timing there?

[Speaker 4] (2:14:07 - 2:14:07)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:07 - 2:14:07)
Danielle,

[Speaker 8] (2:14:07 - 2:14:08)
I mean,

[Speaker 7] (2:14:08 - 2:14:08)
you had

[Speaker 8] (2:14:08 - 2:14:08)
property

[Speaker 7] (2:14:08 - 2:14:08)
the

[Speaker 8] (2:14:08 - 2:14:09)
or health?

[Speaker 4] (2:14:09 - 2:14:09)
G_I_C_

[Speaker 7] (2:14:09 - 2:14:10)
G_I_C_ yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:10 - 2:14:11)
I think we have to give the one

[Speaker 8] (2:14:11 - 2:14:11)
We're

[Speaker 4] (2:14:11 - 2:14:11)
year

[Speaker 8] (2:14:11 - 2:14:12)
locked

[Speaker 4] (2:14:12 - 2:14:12)
notice to um.

[Speaker 8] (2:14:12 - 2:14:13)
we're locked into G_I_C_

[Speaker 4] (2:14:13 - 2:14:18)
Yeah. We have to give them one year notice of potentially going

[Speaker 3] (2:14:18 - 2:14:18)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:14:18 - 2:14:18)
out.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:18 - 2:14:26)
I have started the conversation with a consultant that helps communities that self-insure and they also offer consulting services with G_I_C_

[Speaker 3] (2:14:27 - 2:14:30)
It is it's not a silver bullet to get out of GIC because

[Speaker 4] (2:14:30 - 2:14:30)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:30 - 2:14:43)
we have to have a trust that can carry these expenses. And so absolutely again that's one of the things that we can absolutely look at I know on insurance for property they they have gone out in the last 18 months to work with a new vendor.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:43 - 2:14:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:44 - 2:14:44)
Let me do that last year.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:44 - 2:14:52)
And if you all direct me I'm happy to look into legal services as well like I'm happy to look at any any services that you all would like me to.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:53 - 2:15:02)
to explore for sure, um and we can even put that on a future meeting where I just run through what we have and you guys can say yes no y you know like however you'd like to move forward with something like that for sure.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:03 - 2:15:06)
I think you definitely you also have to remember that we have the trash contract

[Speaker 3] (2:15:07 - 2:15:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:07 - 2:15:14)
coming up and um actually I'd like to get I'd like to get that on the agenda just to have some type of a recap from

[Speaker 10] (2:15:15 - 2:15:17)
From DPW and the Board of Health.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:18 - 2:15:18)
No,

[Speaker 10] (2:15:18 - 2:15:19)
The Solid

[Speaker 9] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
fraud.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
Waste Advisory.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:20 - 2:15:21)
The Solid Waste Advisory.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:21 - 2:15:28)
So I think with the solid waste advisory we need them to provide recommendations or decision points for

[Speaker 9] (2:15:28 - 2:15:28)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:28 - 2:15:30)
the board as opposed to

[Speaker 10] (2:15:31 - 2:15:33)
He's coming up and having a conversation.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:33 - 2:15:37)
Yeah, it would just be useful, I think, if they have the decision points or things that they want to put in front of you to

[Speaker 4] (2:15:37 - 2:15:38)
To

[Speaker 3] (2:15:38 - 2:15:38)
give

[Speaker 4] (2:15:38 - 2:15:38)
be actionable.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:38 - 2:15:39)
a thumbs up or

[Speaker 9] (2:15:39 - 2:15:39)
One

[Speaker 3] (2:15:39 - 2:15:39)
thumbs

[Speaker 9] (2:15:39 - 2:15:45)
thing that's important is I really wanna see I wanna see the board have a have good knowledge of what the calendar's gonna look like,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:45 - 2:15:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:45 - 2:15:47)
and when these decisions have got to be made because

[Speaker 3] (2:15:48 - 2:15:50)
And we met with Republic this week,

[Speaker 9] (2:15:50 - 2:15:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:50 - 2:15:57)
Gene and I, to understand what any potential renewal would look like, what's on the table in the future, but yeah, we should absolutely give them have them

[Speaker 3] (2:15:57 - 2:16:00)
That m that might be a good January early January

[Speaker 9] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:00 - 2:16:01)
for

[Speaker 1] (2:16:01 - 2:16:01)
Just

[Speaker 3] (2:16:01 - 2:16:01)
a public

[Speaker 1] (2:16:01 - 2:16:04)
slight slight version. Are we tracking? Are we getting the money back

[Speaker 4] (2:16:04 - 2:16:05)
I was

[Speaker 1] (2:16:05 - 2:16:05)
for

[Speaker 4] (2:16:05 - 2:16:05)
just gonna

[Speaker 1] (2:16:05 - 2:16:05)
all that

[Speaker 4] (2:16:05 - 2:16:05)
say that.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:05 - 2:16:06)
for my

[Speaker 4] (2:16:06 - 2:16:06)
Did

[Speaker 1] (2:16:06 - 2:16:06)
public?

[Speaker 4] (2:16:06 - 2:16:07)
we ever get those credits from the cell We bill?

[Speaker 3] (2:16:07 - 2:16:16)
did get credits through the first three months. Um I think we owe them on two bills right now so I will check with those and see where we are. That was a a question they had for us. And

[Speaker 1] (2:16:16 - 2:16:16)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:16:16 - 2:16:22)
G_ you know, I know for July, August, September had been holding them to make sure that it was matching up with what was anticipated.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:22 - 2:16:23)
Good.

[Speaker 10] (2:16:23 - 2:16:23)
I just

[Speaker 10] (2:16:23 - 2:16:33)
I had going to the question at hand, uh something that had come up last year that we didn't really have

[Speaker 9] (2:16:33 - 2:16:33)
A

[Speaker 10] (2:16:33 - 2:16:40)
very good resolve on, we were not engaged with maybe all the necessary players was the Board of Health.

[Speaker 10] (2:16:42 - 2:16:55)
in understanding the health department and the Board of Health's opinions about how that needed to be staffed and what that needed to be looked like and then we had opinions and I don't know that we ever got to okay

[Speaker 3] (2:16:56 - 2:17:07)
I talked to Gargi last week to try to get her sense of what their goals were, not only on the potential town meeting items that they've been kicking around,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:07 - 2:17:07)
but...

[Speaker 3] (2:17:08 - 2:17:11)
I think that it would be a good discussion to have publicly with with

[Speaker 10] (2:17:11 - 2:17:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:11 - 2:17:13)
them and you coming together You

[Speaker 10] (2:17:13 - 2:17:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:13 - 2:17:18)
know I have I asked Allison how they do it in the hunt and what the sort of

[Speaker 3] (2:17:19 - 2:17:21)
Organization was and it's on my list of things to talk to Thatcher about as well

[Speaker 9] (2:17:22 - 2:17:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:17:22 - 2:17:22)
Great.

[Speaker 10] (2:17:24 - 2:17:30)
Um yeah I think there's an opportunity for regionalization there but I am one opinion in a...

[Speaker 10] (2:17:31 - 2:17:31)
What

[Speaker 4] (2:17:31 - 2:17:40)
Well I think there are a lot of opportunities for regionalization, right? I mean we've talked about that with other towns and there's a collaborative for the I_T_ situation, Danvers runs one,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:41 - 2:17:47)
right? Um so there I think are opportunities for sure. Those are things I mean I I'm sure those are things you're

[Speaker 3] (2:17:47 - 2:17:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:48 - 2:17:49)
exploring as we speak.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:49 - 2:17:54)
I mean even with I_T_ Joe and I have talked about I know he has an expertise that I don't to see if there's an opportunity to make sure that

[Speaker 3] (2:17:55 - 2:18:06)
they're either performing to scope or if we need to we go back and I've also talked to EOTS, which is the executive office of telecommunications and support it you know it's their I_T_ at the state level.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:06 - 2:18:13)
They do a free audit similar to the financial management review that I also engage that they're gonna start hopefully just after the new year.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:13 - 2:18:18)
They look at a number of different items, offer best practices and identify places that we can do things differently as well.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:18 - 2:18:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:19 - 2:18:20)
So I think

[Speaker 10] (2:18:21 - 2:18:36)
philosophically going forward what I what I would prefer to see and I'm opening this up to discussion before it is if we kept level service what is the cost of the taxpayer to do that because we we know we already are above level funding so

[Speaker 3] (2:18:36 - 2:18:37)
We're above the policies,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:37 - 2:18:38)
correct.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:38 - 2:18:45)
we're above the policies yeah so instead of starting from dire this is what it would look like if we were

[Speaker 3] (2:18:45 - 2:18:46)
Draconian.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:46 - 2:18:47)
yeah sort of

[Speaker 10] (2:18:47 - 2:18:54)
Human gloom. Let's start to, if services remain the same, this is what it what it is going to cost us. This is how we're outside.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:00 - 2:19:09)
It One question. I for m for me, I s I really wanna see where we are without touching the unused levy, if we stay at two and a half.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:10 - 2:19:12)
So I can go above the

[Speaker 2] (2:19:12 - 2:19:12)
We so

[Speaker 3] (2:19:12 - 2:19:14)
the policy is two plus

[Speaker 2] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
The policy

[Speaker 3] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
four twenty-five.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:14 - 2:19:17)
is two, right? So what happens if we go

[Speaker 3] (2:19:17 - 2:19:17)
The two and a half and

[Speaker 2] (2:19:17 - 2:19:17)
two

[Speaker 3] (2:19:17 - 2:19:18)
six.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:18 - 2:19:18)
and a half.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:18 - 2:19:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:18 - 2:19:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:24 - 2:19:30)
If we level serviced the the likeliness of having to go above the policy is 100 percent right?

[Speaker 3] (2:19:30 - 2:19:32)
Above the policy?

[Speaker 1] (2:19:32 - 2:19:32)
Above our policy

[Speaker 3] (2:19:32 - 2:19:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:32 - 2:19:33)
yes. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:33 - 2:19:34)
Into our into our unused

[Speaker 1] (2:19:34 - 2:19:35)
Unused

[Speaker 3] (2:19:35 - 2:19:35)
levy.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:35 - 2:19:35)
levy.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:36 - 2:19:44)
Right, but I think you're talking about unused, not you're saying two and a half is what we could be doing legally every year, you're saying not touching any unused levy

[Speaker 2] (2:19:44 - 2:19:44)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:44 - 2:19:47)
that exists beyond the two and a half that is our limit in a single year.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:47 - 2:19:48)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:48 - 2:19:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:50 - 2:19:51)
Is that

[Speaker 3] (2:19:51 - 2:19:54)
Do you safe level service to Anne-Marie or are you saying level funding?

[Speaker 2] (2:19:54 - 2:19:54)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:54 - 2:19:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:55 - 2:19:56)
So I'm draconian.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:56 - 2:19:59)
She she's actually she's above level funding by the policies and

[Speaker 4] (2:19:59 - 2:20:00)
She's just saying

[Speaker 2] (2:20:00 - 2:20:00)
I'm just

[Speaker 4] (2:20:00 - 2:20:01)
that we're

[Speaker 2] (2:20:01 - 2:20:01)
just saying

[Speaker 4] (2:20:01 - 2:20:01)
above the

[Speaker 1] (2:20:01 - 2:20:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:01 - 2:20:01)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:01 - 2:20:02)
tax levy.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
there's

[Speaker 4] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
We're

[Speaker 3] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
a different

[Speaker 4] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
not staying

[Speaker 3] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
ceiling is

[Speaker 4] (2:20:02 - 2:20:03)
at the state.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:03 - 2:20:04)
a different ceiling.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:04 - 2:20:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:04 - 2:20:05)
Can we show both or

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
You're

[Speaker 1] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
is that

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
not a touching.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:05 - 2:20:06)
lot of work?

[Speaker 3] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
No, we can do

[Speaker 1] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
both.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
great.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:06 - 2:20:07)
We can show both.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:07 - 2:20:11)
Let's show both and see, I mean likely we get somewhere in between, but let's see.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:11 - 2:20:33)
I t I do think though that we never really did resolve that conversation that started last summer about the health department to your point Katie and that is something being you know a department of Town Hall and to your question excuse me that we need some type of closure resolution to understand FTE wise right

[Speaker 3] (2:20:33 - 2:20:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:33 - 2:20:34)
what are we looking at

[Speaker 5] (2:20:34 - 2:20:37)
What is the answer there for that particular department?

[Speaker 3] (2:20:37 - 2:20:39)
And for the board are you you're the

[Speaker 1] (2:20:40 - 2:20:40)
I am the liaison.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:40 - 2:20:53)
That's what I thought, okay, 'cause I I think it might be useful to have either a liaison chair or chair chair meeting in that case and then also have you know all three of them come in and speak to their goals priorities and everything as well.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:53 - 2:20:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:53 - 2:20:56)
So that it's a public discussion between you and they as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:56 - 2:20:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:56 - 2:20:58)
Because really, I mean, after, you know.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:00 - 2:21:01)
If we talk about town departments,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:01 - 2:21:03)
we're talking police, we're talking fire, DPW.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:03 - 2:21:07)
There are a lot of these things that are out of our control, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:21:07 - 2:21:19)
Police is what it is, fire is what it is. There's not, you know, in terms of positions and things, you know, with contracts and things, you know, collective bargaining agreements, there's not a whole lot of discussion to be had, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:21:19 - 2:21:21)
So it's really the town hall building that needs,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:21 - 2:21:22)
I guess,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
closest

[Speaker 3] (2:21:22 - 2:21:24)
I mean, it's true in every community

[Speaker 5] (2:21:24 - 2:21:24)
scrutiny.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:24 - 2:21:24)
that sort of,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:24 - 2:21:24)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:21:24 - 2:21:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:25 - 2:21:25)
know.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:26 - 2:21:27)
Schools, public safety,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:27 - 2:21:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:27 - 2:21:31)
DPW are always the things that people are building their budget from and you

[Speaker 2] (2:21:31 - 2:21:31)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:31 - 2:21:41)
know there's hard decisions to be made in all those places in some cases but those are I think correct me if I'm wrong those are the priorities that everyone would be focused

[Speaker 2] (2:21:41 - 2:21:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:41 - 2:21:47)
on to start across all you know public safety and school and education are.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:47 - 2:21:49)
bedrock in most communities, so

[Speaker 5] (2:21:49 - 2:22:08)
You know, but if we could be looking at I mean how efficiency-wise, streamlining-wise, you know, how we run things, how our procedures are, you know, what we, u where we can make things, you know, work more efficiently right, how we can do that, if we're utilising our F_T_E_s to our advantage, do we need more? Some

[Speaker 3] (2:22:08 - 2:22:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:22:08 - 2:22:11)
you know, in the assessor's office, we whatever it might be, but it's a real

[Speaker 3] (2:22:11 - 2:22:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:22:11 - 2:22:14)
deep dive on on the F_T_E_s that we need to do.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:15 - 2:22:19)
I think we spent most of the year trying to figure out the right formula

[Speaker 1] (2:22:20 - 2:22:21)
increasing FTE,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:21 - 2:22:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:21 - 2:22:22)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:22:22 - 2:22:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:22 - 2:22:29)
Like we we we paired back assessors, we paired back a couple of things and then we had to re sort of correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:29 - 2:22:30)
Adjust, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:30 - 2:22:39)
And so now we have to determine if there is nowhere else to readjust then how we pay for it.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:39 - 2:22:40)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:40 - 2:22:41)
That's really the question at hand.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:42 - 2:22:43)
So services versus

[Speaker 1] (2:22:44 - 2:22:45)
Funny.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:45 - 2:22:45)
Yeah?

[Speaker 6] (2:22:45 - 2:22:49)
versus finding one time things to help patch a hole because

[Speaker 1] (2:22:49 - 2:22:49)
Oh

[Speaker 6] (2:22:49 - 2:22:49)
I just

[Speaker 1] (2:22:49 - 2:22:49)
simultaneously find

[Speaker 6] (2:22:49 - 2:22:51)
feel like we we sure

[Speaker 2] (2:22:51 - 2:22:51)
Yeah, that's a, that's

[Speaker 6] (2:22:51 - 2:22:51)
but

[Speaker 1] (2:22:51 - 2:22:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:51 - 2:22:52)
a.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:52 - 2:23:05)
I just feel like you know we we went through in excruciating detail that budget last year I mean there's not you I mean oftentimes people will say things like that and it seems like an exaggeration like I mean

[Speaker 6] (2:23:06 - 2:23:07)
We were looking at

[Speaker 2] (2:23:07 - 2:23:07)
We

[Speaker 6] (2:23:07 - 2:23:07)
$500,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:07 - 2:23:07)
did.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:23:08 - 2:23:09)
We did. We did.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:09 - 2:23:09)
Mm.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:09 - 2:23:14)
You know, so I just do not feel as though you're going to have like find, you

[Speaker 2] (2:23:14 - 2:23:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:14 - 2:23:20)
know, half a million dollars or a million dollars or whatever by like scratching at all these little places.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:20 - 2:23:21)
Oh, I don't think so either.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:21 - 2:23:23)
So, and we know we have a curve.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:23 - 2:23:26)
So, I mean, I'm looking up the rules about selling stuff.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:27 - 2:23:30)
It doesn't sound like it's impossible to do that.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:30 - 2:23:31)
You know.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:32 - 2:23:36)
If you need a million dollars, you gotta look at places where you're gonna find a million dollars.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:36 - 2:23:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:36 - 2:23:44)
You have to remember that in last year's budget there was a major mistake to the tune of, what was it, four hundred and forty thousand dollars?

[Speaker 2] (2:23:45 - 2:23:52)
that we had to dip into plus we used what the million dollars that we weren't planning on using

[Speaker 6] (2:23:52 - 2:23:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:52 - 2:23:52)
I mean last

[Speaker 6] (2:23:52 - 2:23:53)
exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:53 - 2:24:06)
year wasn't just a bad year it was a really bad year there were really bad things that happened last year and we were also given some poor information and we're we're gonna have to be coming off of that so

[Speaker 2] (2:24:09 - 2:24:15)
You know, trying to stay out of this unused tax levy is I don't see how we're gonna be able to do it, but

[Speaker 2] (2:24:17 - 2:24:19)
we've just gotta really drill down.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:19 - 2:24:25)
I mean, we we took ourselves out of the assessors because of a philosophical thing

[Speaker 2] (2:24:25 - 2:24:52)
theory from the past town administrator, which and I'm not knocking him for it whatsoever, um he had more experience in assessing, he felt that he could add to that department and then we ended up putting more money into facilities, facility director, an assistant to the facility director and these are things that all have to be looked at and you know you have to start putting your philosophies together on what are the best ways to operate a community.

[Speaker 8] (2:24:54 - 2:24:55)
But he needs our guidance to

[Speaker 2] (2:24:55 - 2:24:56)
Yeah, for

[Speaker 8] (2:24:56 - 2:24:56)
do

[Speaker 2] (2:24:56 - 2:24:56)
sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:24:56 - 2:24:56)
so. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:58 - 2:25:00)
We gave him something to start with.

[Speaker 8] (2:25:00 - 2:25:00)
We

[Speaker 3] (2:25:00 - 2:25:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:25:00 - 2:25:00)
did.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:01 - 2:25:06)
Oh, well I just want to second David's uh semi-motion about uh relooking at the law firm.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:07 - 2:25:08)
Um, so, 'cause that

[Speaker 2] (2:25:08 - 2:25:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:08 - 2:25:11)
you've you you voice that and I don't think we uh came around

[Speaker 2] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:11 - 2:25:15)
to actually saying do we all agree that that seriously should be looked at.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:15 - 2:25:35)
Does it work for you if I were to come back with outline the process. It's outside of thirty b. So you don't actually have to do a real procurement process in the same way that you do for something like Hawthorne. Um, but if I can if I could come back in January and say here are the steps they we would undertake and you know sort of the model we would follow, you guys can then actually weigh in on the idea then as a group.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:36 - 2:25:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:36 - 2:25:36)
Does that work?

[Speaker 1] (2:25:36 - 2:25:37)
I think we

[Speaker 6] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
have indeed

[Speaker 6] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
think there's

[Speaker 1] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
two

[Speaker 1] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
services.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:37 - 2:25:59)
pieces to it. One is the just can we get a better deal and let's just be frank about it. There's been, you know, up and down uh feelings about uh K.P. Um and so is that about them? Uh part of it, yes. Is it also about the way in which

[Speaker 6] (2:26:00 - 2:26:11)
At least it seems opaque to me about how legal dollars get spent and is there a way in which we could control our expenditures more so there's actually I guess three pieces all together there.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:11 - 2:26:13)
So, if we were... Can I go... Go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:13 - 2:26:26)
I was going to say I think one way we can control legal expenditures is that KP typically provides a memo of legal guidance for almost every question we ask, and there should be some sort of library available to town hall employees.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:26 - 2:26:27)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:27 - 2:26:31)
That they could access that memo so that we are not asking KP multiple times The for

[Speaker 5] (2:26:31 - 2:26:31)
same

[Speaker 1] (2:26:31 - 2:26:31)
multiple

[Speaker 5] (2:26:31 - 2:26:31)
question.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:31 - 2:26:35)
questions. I mean, sorry, that's multiple times for the same answer.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:35 - 2:26:35)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:35 - 2:26:35)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:36 - 2:26:38)
Circumstances change and that changes answers.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:38 - 2:26:41)
That's why I have a job. But for the most part,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:41 - 2:26:52)
we are asking very similar questions and we should be able to just pull up, oh, last year we asked this question about how the language of the liquor license thing should go. And this is, I think, the other more important pieces.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:53 - 2:26:56)
What is the piece that we're being charged for hourly by KP?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:56 - 2:27:07)
What is the work that they're doing consistently that we are charged hourly for and how can we somehow get that into our scope of work so we're not charged hourly for that because the hourly rate is what kills you and

[Speaker 3] (2:27:07 - 2:27:07)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:07 - 2:27:09)
where are we going for outside?

[Speaker 1] (2:27:10 - 2:27:24)
to outside legal help outside of KP whether it's you know RFPs or LDAs or however else and how much money is being spent there and is there a reason we're going outside why can't we go to KP is it because

[Speaker 1] (2:27:25 - 2:27:35)
Probably because we need more rapid answers in some instances, and we're not getting that from K.P., so how do we make that clear to K.P. that we would be going to them with some of the stuff if they were more responsive.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:35 - 2:27:40)
So the idea of them just recycling an opinion is

[Speaker 3] (2:27:40 - 2:27:43)
should be within the retainer. That is

[Speaker 1] (2:27:43 - 2:27:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:43 - 2:27:45)
not something that they should be billing us per hourly.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:45 - 2:27:51)
The way Lauren describes it is that anything that is not adversarial, so you're not preparing for ZBA,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:51 - 2:27:52)
you're not preparing for litigation,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:52 - 2:27:53)
is within the retainer.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:54 - 2:27:56)
It appears, looking at the memos from the last couple of years,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:56 - 2:28:00)
that they have aggressively said we need to raise the price and it's not necessarily just

[Speaker 5] (2:28:00 - 2:28:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:01 - 2:28:01)
a

[Speaker 5] (2:28:01 - 2:28:01)
absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:01 - 2:28:06)
20 an hour or 10 an hour. And they do a blended rate that is...

[Speaker 3] (2:28:07 - 2:28:09)
you know, obviously different from other firms,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:09 - 2:28:25)
I don't wanna speak to it. The idea of the R_F_P_ it would be a qualification and a cost proposals, a price proposal, so it would the idea just to give more info would be like we get the right mix of uh appointed, maybe elected and staff to do a broad

[Speaker 3] (2:28:26 - 2:28:49)
a panel interview, and we put forward a recommendation that limits them limits it to the ones that would come in front of the full board to ask questions. You would have our recommendation along with the questions, and you would know who had been on those on that panel. And you would at that point also have the cost proposal to go along with whatever our recommendation was. Um I think it's also reasonable that we would break it out and say we

[Speaker 1] (2:29:13 - 2:29:35)
um labour firm. So I that would be I'll come back with more detail, but it would get to both price and qualifications. They would ultimately become bef before come before all of you all and you can tell us if there's five respondents you only want to see three or two or whatever all five if you want. But it ends up being a relatively long interview process for you all as well, because it's a forty five minute to an hour panel that you would be doing to make sure you have a comfort level with the firm.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:36 - 2:29:39)
The other thing to control costs since I started is I asked Tom to make sure

[Speaker 1] (2:29:39 - 2:29:42)
to make sure that anything that he's responding to comes back through me,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:42 - 2:29:44)
which I know he said he has done in the past.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:44 - 2:29:45)
I don't know how.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:46 - 2:29:52)
Much they've stuck to that, but it it then gives me a sense. I also told department heads that I want to know before they write to him.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:53 - 2:30:03)
So you know that was belt and suspenders that if they didn't write to me in the beginning or copy me in the beginning I was hearing back when Tom get back to them. So it's been relatively good.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:03 - 2:30:11)
You know I know Rich Marzi others will come either call come up or grab me in the hallway to say I have a question I might be going to them.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:11 - 2:30:22)
Is this good with you? We've had the question you raised is when I ask them, like have we seen this before, do we have this in email somewhere? Um but the way Lauren describes the fields, it should all be included

[Speaker 2] (2:30:22 - 2:30:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:23 - 2:30:23)
within the

[Speaker 2] (2:30:23 - 2:30:27)
But you have to remember a retainer, so we have the retainer, but every time you're calling

[Speaker 3] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:27 - 2:30:40)
and they are using the retainer there that still clicking and then what they do do at the end of the year is they say oh we had to speak to Swamp's got a thousand hours, that is a lot more than what covered in the retainer, then they have to increase the retainer. So

[Speaker 2] (2:30:40 - 2:30:44)
So the retainer excuse we can't we really can't use.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:45 - 2:30:46)
You know, we have to

[Speaker 4] (2:30:47 - 2:30:48)
But I mean, I

[Speaker 2] (2:30:48 - 2:30:48)
off the

[Speaker 4] (2:30:48 - 2:30:48)
think,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:48 - 2:30:48)
farm.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:48 - 2:30:54)
I think I've seen I've seen opinions that were forwarded from three and four years ago. Oh, I'm sure

[Speaker 2] (2:30:54 - 2:30:54)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:54 - 2:30:55)
you did as well,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:55 - 2:30:55)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:55 - 2:30:55)
right? Or was it

[Speaker 2] (2:30:55 - 2:30:56)
well we just

[Speaker 4] (2:30:56 - 2:30:56)
21,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:56 - 2:30:56)
we just had one.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:56 - 2:30:57)
22?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:57 - 2:30:58)
We just had one a couple weeks ago.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:58 - 2:31:01)
That was that was the case with the tax hearing.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:01 - 2:31:02)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:02 - 2:31:05)
I got two. One had gone to last year. So it's like

[Speaker 2] (2:31:05 - 2:31:06)
Yeah, like

[Speaker 1] (2:31:06 - 2:31:07)
it's a question that's come up.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:08 - 2:31:16)
So I completely understand what you're saying and I know with other firm we went through this and Milton other firms talk about how their retainer might be different.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:18 - 2:31:22)
You know ultimately it's the same idea if you use them too much they're going to raise the raise

[Speaker 2] (2:31:22 - 2:31:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:22 - 2:31:35)
the fee and each firm sort of operates differently in terms of this idea of like the library or something like that on the contract side some of the firms say we don't review contracts we just tell them to use ours and if they don't want to do business with you.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:35 - 2:31:36)
with you, they

[Speaker 2] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
What?

[Speaker 1] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
can leave.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:36 - 2:31:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:37 - 2:31:45)
Uh so this is all I would I will put it into a presentation that just outlines like the four or five steps and then that would be something I would ask you to just vote to make sure that

[Speaker 1] (2:31:46 - 2:31:49)
everyone's fully open and on the same page that something you'd like to move forward with.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:50 - 2:31:51)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:51 - 2:31:51)
Yes, let's.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:53 - 2:31:55)
I think it's probably the biggest area that could make an impact.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
Monetarily.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:57 - 2:31:58)
The only area we have

[Speaker 6] (2:31:58 - 2:31:58)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:58 - 2:31:58)
left.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:58 - 2:32:00)
I personally, I think that.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:00 - 2:32:00)
What did you say?

[Speaker 7] (2:32:01 - 2:32:04)
I said I think it's one of the only areas we have left to be honest Like we didn't look at it last

[Speaker 6] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
That

[Speaker 7] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
year.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:04 - 2:32:05)
doesn't affect actual

[Speaker 7] (2:32:05 - 2:32:06)
We didn't have time

[Speaker 6] (2:32:06 - 2:32:06)
FTEs.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:06 - 2:32:07)
And so it's you

[Speaker 6] (2:32:07 - 2:32:07)
the biggest.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:07 - 2:32:09)
know it has cost us a lot of cash we

[Speaker 6] (2:32:09 - 2:32:10)
Overtime

[Speaker 7] (2:32:10 - 2:32:10)
overtime is

[Speaker 6] (2:32:10 - 2:32:11)
is

[Speaker 7] (2:32:11 - 2:32:12)
also another area

[Speaker 6] (2:32:12 - 2:32:14)
I think overtime Well, that's a different, yeah, that's a whole different animal.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:14 - 2:32:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:24)
And the other thing with legal, if you're comfortable in advance of me giving you that presentation, I can just reach out to the firms that would be most likely to respond.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:27)
And make sure that they have capacity to even respond

[Speaker 6] (2:32:27 - 2:32:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:27 - 2:32:28)
so that we don't go down

[Speaker 6] (2:32:28 - 2:32:28)
Wasting

[Speaker 1] (2:32:28 - 2:32:28)
this

[Speaker 6] (2:32:28 - 2:32:29)
time.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:29 - 2:32:29)
process and find

[Speaker 2] (2:32:29 - 2:32:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:29 - 2:32:31)
out that there's no one else available right now.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:34 - 2:32:34)
Is

[Speaker 2] (2:32:34 - 2:32:34)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:32:34 - 2:32:42)
there like an end of year summary we get from KPU to say where most of our uh money is being spent like is it in labour, is it in like do they do a little

[Speaker 1] (2:32:42 - 2:32:43)
I can request that, I don't know.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:43 - 2:32:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:43 - 2:32:45)
I've never seen that. They'll charge you.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:45 - 2:32:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:45 - 2:32:46)
The firm we

[Speaker 2] (2:32:46 - 2:32:46)
charge

[Speaker 1] (2:32:46 - 2:32:46)
had

[Speaker 2] (2:32:46 - 2:32:46)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:32:46 - 2:32:46)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:32:46 - 2:32:46)
to do it.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:46 - 2:32:51)
firm we had, Milton was a small South Shore firm that didn't I would not be surprised if K_P_ had something like that, but

[Speaker 7] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:51 - 2:32:53)
I don't know just be based on

[Speaker 7] (2:32:53 - 2:32:53)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:32:53 - 2:32:53)
their

[Speaker 7] (2:32:53 - 2:32:53)
given their size,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:53 - 2:32:53)
their

[Speaker 7] (2:32:53 - 2:32:53)
I think.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:53 - 2:32:54)
complexity, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:54 - 2:33:01)
And how many municipalities they have that are probably asking for something like that just to know the sort of the subject matters that we're asking about.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:01 - 2:33:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:02 - 2:33:13)
And as a reference point about exiting the GIC if you needed to speak to somebody, Danvers has done it and I have spoken to their director of H.R. about it. Um Jen Breaker, she's the assistant town administrator there.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:13 - 2:33:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:14 - 2:33:18)
Um without having to pay a consultant she can tell you the ins and outs of

[Speaker 2] (2:33:18 - 2:33:19)
What do they use now?

[Speaker 6] (2:33:20 - 2:33:21)
Blue Cross. Blue Cross.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:21 - 2:33:22)
When did they go to Blue Cross?

[Speaker 6] (2:33:22 - 2:33:25)
It's probably been three or four years now.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:25 - 2:33:27)
Because Boston went to Blue Cross a year ago.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:28 - 2:33:29)
And that's when we talked with Sean

[Speaker 2] (2:33:29 - 2:33:29)
I started

[Speaker 8] (2:33:29 - 2:33:30)
when somebody

[Speaker 2] (2:33:30 - 2:33:30)
looking at

[Speaker 8] (2:33:30 - 2:33:31)
mentioned they suggested

[Speaker 6] (2:33:31 - 2:33:31)
Yeah, no.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:31 - 2:33:31)
too.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:32 - 2:33:41)
Do you have, I've also spoken to her about their IT collaboratives that they run. So they do the, they handle the IT for Middleton.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:42 - 2:33:46)
Oxford, a couple of other towns. Their, Danvers' I_T_ is like contracted to

[Speaker 1] (2:33:46 - 2:33:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:46 - 2:33:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:47 - 2:33:48)
They actually, they had they s,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:48 - 2:33:49)
They're a collaborative.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:49 - 2:33:56)
they helped us, they helped us with a matter last year and they were really great. They actually looked at couple things and said, you know you are

[Speaker 6] (2:33:56 - 2:33:56)
You don't at have

[Speaker 2] (2:33:56 - 2:33:56)
risk,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:56 - 2:33:57)
this, this,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:57 - 2:33:57)
you're

[Speaker 6] (2:33:57 - 2:33:57)
and this.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:57 - 2:33:58)
at risk here here and here.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:00 - 2:34:02)
I'm not an I_T_ person, there were things I would change.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:04 - 2:34:12)
So hopefully the the review at the state level will give us an actual roadmap to go to i go to Danvers or go to another vendor and say these are things we want to be focused on.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:12 - 2:34:13)
Well, especially with that collaborative

[Speaker 6] (2:34:13 - 2:34:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:14 - 2:34:16)
that um I

[Speaker 6] (2:34:16 - 2:34:16)
Well, will it's

[Speaker 2] (2:34:16 - 2:34:16)
be

[Speaker 6] (2:34:16 - 2:34:16)
just

[Speaker 2] (2:34:16 - 2:34:18)
impressed with them last year.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:18 - 2:34:24)
Other towns have done the legwork, so it's like why reinvent the wheel? If somebody else has already figured out they can contract

[Speaker 1] (2:34:24 - 2:34:24)
Make

[Speaker 6] (2:34:24 - 2:34:24)
cleaners

[Speaker 1] (2:34:24 - 2:34:25)
it work.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:25 - 2:34:27)
for cheaper than why aren't you know why don't we do it?

[Speaker 1] (2:34:30 - 2:34:30)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:32 - 2:34:36)
Okay, moving on to the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:37 - 2:34:38)
Can you speak to that real quickly?

[Speaker 7] (2:34:38 - 2:34:38)
You

[Speaker 6] (2:34:38 - 2:34:38)
Wait,

[Speaker 7] (2:34:38 - 2:34:39)
may.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:39 - 2:34:41)
we're not talking about the calendar? Or is that calendar

[Speaker 7] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
in The

[Speaker 6] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
the

[Speaker 7] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
calendar's

[Speaker 6] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
concept?

[Speaker 1] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
That's

[Speaker 7] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
in the consent

[Speaker 1] (2:34:41 - 2:34:42)
in the consent

[Speaker 7] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
agenda.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
It's in the consent

[Speaker 7] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
But

[Speaker 6] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
agenda.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:42 - 2:34:45)
what let's let Nick talk about what he would like to talk about first.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:45 - 2:34:52)
On the housing authority, there was a question about a special municipal employee designation being necessary for Ken to be appointed.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:53 - 2:35:02)
Chairman Patsios had suggested that we look into that because he does legal work within and before town boards.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:03 - 2:35:05)
In talking to KP about the municipal,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:05 - 2:35:21)
special municipal employees, it's by position not by individual. So if possible I would like to set this aside until the first meeting of January as well, because you you as a board would designate housing authority planning board, ZBA, whomever,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:21 - 2:35:28)
as special municipal employees to allow this. We wouldn't do it on an individual by individual basis. It would have to be all the members

[Speaker 2] (2:35:28 - 2:35:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:28 - 2:35:29)
of the board are made special municipal employees.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:30 - 2:35:35)
And that would allow him to be on this and to s continue to Yeah, you you he's

[Speaker 6] (2:35:35 - 2:35:35)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:35 - 2:35:35)
still disclosing.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:35 - 2:35:35)
he

[Speaker 7] (2:35:35 - 2:35:36)
He's not supposed

[Speaker 1] (2:35:36 - 2:35:36)
He wouldn't

[Speaker 7] (2:35:36 - 2:35:36)
to disclose

[Speaker 1] (2:35:36 - 2:35:37)
he still has to disclose,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:37 - 2:35:38)
himself in

[Speaker 1] (2:35:38 - 2:35:39)
but it allows him.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:39 - 2:35:39)
an unnecessary manner.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:39 - 2:35:40)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:35:40 - 2:35:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:40 - 2:35:42)
so Without that he could not be on this board.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:43 - 2:35:47)
How long have they been without two individuals? Do you know?

[Speaker 1] (2:35:47 - 2:35:48)
I do not.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:49 - 2:35:58)
I think it's been I think it's been a few months. I I know Kelly Russo is I attended the last meeting. Um she's she's the president of the um of

[Speaker 9] (2:35:58 - 2:35:59)
Tenants?

[Speaker 4] (2:35:59 - 2:36:02)
the Tenants Association. She's been attending these meetings regularly.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:02 - 2:36:05)
There um she she just doesn't have a vote

[Speaker 9] (2:36:05 - 2:36:07)
We can we can approve her tonight?

[Speaker 4] (2:36:07 - 2:36:07)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:07 - 2:36:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:07 - 2:36:08)
Yeah, absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:08 - 2:36:12)
Is there a is there an issue with approving her and not having them here as a joint meeting?

[Speaker 1] (2:36:12 - 2:36:15)
I do not believe so. You raised that tonight.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:15 - 2:36:17)
I had not heard that previously.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:18 - 2:36:18)
It's an appointment,

[Speaker 4] (2:36:18 - 2:36:18)
They

[Speaker 6] (2:36:18 - 2:36:18)
What

[Speaker 1] (2:36:18 - 2:36:19)
I believe.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:19 - 2:36:19)
were they they they

[Speaker 6] (2:36:19 - 2:36:19)
made the

[Speaker 1] (2:36:19 - 2:36:20)
photography

[Speaker 4] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
they they

[Speaker 1] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
for

[Speaker 4] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
voted

[Speaker 1] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
you?

[Speaker 7] (2:36:20 - 2:36:21)
When they had

[Speaker 4] (2:36:21 - 2:36:21)
they

[Speaker 7] (2:36:21 - 2:36:21)
their last

[Speaker 4] (2:36:21 - 2:36:23)
voted they voted publicly twice now

[Speaker 10] (2:36:23 - 2:36:23)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:23 - 2:36:25)
um to make this recommendation.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:26 - 2:36:36)
I d I didn't think it was necessary for them to uh for them to attend uh something that was as perfunctory as as appointing something as as appointing two individuals with with that

[Speaker 6] (2:36:36 - 2:36:36)
You can

[Speaker 4] (2:36:36 - 2:36:36)
one

[Speaker 6] (2:36:36 - 2:36:36)
always

[Speaker 4] (2:36:36 - 2:36:37)
action

[Speaker 6] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
appoint

[Speaker 4] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
in twice.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:37 - 2:36:39)
them if there's an issue we can address

[Speaker 9] (2:36:39 - 2:36:40)
Rearranged them.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:40 - 2:36:40)
that later.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:41 - 2:36:43)
So I would only point her tonight though,

[Speaker 7] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:43 - 2:36:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
so

[Speaker 9] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:44 - 2:36:45)
as not to put Canada

[Speaker 9] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
in the position

[Speaker 9] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:45 - 2:36:46)
either. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:46 - 2:36:48)
Yep. Yeah, we just wanted to add

[Speaker 1] (2:36:48 - 2:36:48)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:48 - 2:36:50)
add him to the agenda in the event that we did get

[Speaker 1] (2:36:50 - 2:36:50)
That

[Speaker 4] (2:36:50 - 2:36:51)
the we votes

[Speaker 1] (2:36:51 - 2:36:51)
were able to get this

[Speaker 7] (2:36:51 - 2:36:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:51 - 2:36:52)
on ahead of time.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
That's right.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:53 - 2:36:54)
Okay,

[Speaker 9] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
Alright,

[Speaker 4] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
so

[Speaker 9] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
so moved.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:54 - 2:37:01)
So so uh the only other thing that I want to note is that on the on the tentative select board dates.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:01 - 2:37:04)
Oh, we only have to meet once every three months now?

[Speaker 6] (2:37:05 - 2:37:06)
After we schedule?

[Speaker 6] (2:37:06 - 2:37:06)
I'm kidding.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:06 - 2:37:07)
No no, this one.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:07 - 2:37:09)
I know. I'm kidding.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:10 - 2:37:12)
But it does say,

[Speaker 7] (2:37:12 - 2:37:14)
like February is a question.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:14 - 2:37:18)
So the week of February 18th is February vacation.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:20 - 2:37:22)
So if it's the will of the board,

[Speaker 7] (2:37:22 - 2:37:28)
we could push to the 25th or we could have it earlier on the 11th.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:28 - 2:37:38)
Um we could also take off the fourth and just meet the eleventh and the twenty-fifth so that we're outside of vacation and we still meet twice. But we just a decision really should be made before we vote.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:39 - 2:37:48)
Well I think the only people that it it affects I think the people it doesn't affect is Doug and I so I th I really think whatever's better for the three of you with children that

[Speaker 2] (2:37:48 - 2:37:48)
What

[Speaker 6] (2:37:48 - 2:37:49)
are in about school.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:49 - 2:37:49)
you, Nick?

[Speaker 9] (2:37:50 - 2:37:50)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:37:50 - 2:37:50)
You're

[Speaker 9] (2:37:50 - 2:37:50)
would also

[Speaker 6] (2:37:50 - 2:37:51)
welcome.

[Speaker 9] (2:37:51 - 2:37:51)
like

[Speaker 6] (2:37:51 - 2:37:51)
And

[Speaker 9] (2:37:51 - 2:37:51)
to

[Speaker 6] (2:37:51 - 2:37:51)
Nick,

[Speaker 9] (2:37:51 - 2:37:51)
see one go away.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:51 - 2:37:52)
and Nick, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:52 - 2:37:58)
Yeah, so why don't we, I mean, I guess for I would propose we just meet the 11th and the 25th then of that.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:58 - 2:37:59)
Does that work for you? Does it work for you?

[Speaker 7] (2:37:59 - 2:38:00)
That's still two

[Speaker 1] (2:38:00 - 2:38:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:38:00 - 2:38:00)
twice

[Speaker 1] (2:38:00 - 2:38:00)
no,

[Speaker 7] (2:38:00 - 2:38:01)
that month.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:01 - 2:38:01)
absolutely.

[Speaker 9] (2:38:01 - 2:38:02)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:02 - 2:38:02)
Of having

[Speaker 7] (2:38:02 - 2:38:02)
And not

[Speaker 1] (2:38:02 - 2:38:03)
that week available to help

[Speaker 4] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
with the

[Speaker 4] (2:38:03 - 2:38:04)
so project. not meet the fourth?

[Speaker 9] (2:38:04 - 2:38:07)
Yeah, I actually may be away that week of the 11th.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:07 - 2:38:07)
Get

[Speaker 7] (2:38:07 - 2:38:07)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:38:07 - 2:38:08)
out.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:08 - 2:38:09)
so you want to meet the fourth and the 25th

[Speaker 6] (2:38:09 - 2:38:09)
Yeah, again.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:09 - 2:38:09)
then, Doug?

[Speaker 9] (2:38:09 - 2:38:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:11 - 2:38:12)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:38:12 - 2:38:12)
Even

[Speaker 7] (2:38:12 - 2:38:12)
so then

[Speaker 4] (2:38:12 - 2:38:13)
though I don't have a

[Speaker 7] (2:38:13 - 2:38:13)
we'll

[Speaker 4] (2:38:13 - 2:38:13)
date

[Speaker 7] (2:38:13 - 2:38:13)
take

[Speaker 4] (2:38:13 - 2:38:13)
that

[Speaker 7] (2:38:13 - 2:38:14)
a long

[Speaker 4] (2:38:14 - 2:38:14)
won't still

[Speaker 7] (2:38:14 - 2:38:15)
break from each other in February.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:17 - 2:38:21)
So we'll meet the fourth and we'll meet the 25th and that would be the proposal

[Speaker 4] (2:38:21 - 2:38:23)
And do we have a date for any financial summit of

[Speaker 6] (2:38:23 - 2:38:24)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
dates?

[Speaker 7] (2:38:24 - 2:38:31)
try chair's meeting on the day after our next meeting, so the eighth,

[Speaker 4] (2:38:31 - 2:38:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:32 - 2:38:40)
and the hope is that we will have a topic in a next mini summit date.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:41 - 2:38:42)
Twice.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:42 - 2:38:42)
Does

[Speaker 9] (2:38:42 - 2:38:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:43 - 2:38:44)
the school committee have a new chair?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:45 - 2:38:45)
Um

[Speaker 2] (2:38:45 - 2:38:46)
Are they using the vice

[Speaker 1] (2:38:46 - 2:38:46)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:38:46 - 2:38:46)
chair?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:46 - 2:38:48)
am I invited the vice chair to

[Speaker 2] (2:38:48 - 2:38:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:48 - 2:38:49)
try chair.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:49 - 2:38:50)
Who is that?

[Speaker 3] (2:38:50 - 2:38:50)
Glenn.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:51 - 2:38:52)
Glenn. Pastor.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:53 - 2:38:55)
Um so I invited him to join us,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:55 - 2:38:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:55 - 2:39:03)
and if this will committee appoints a interim chair in the meantime, then I will hope that Glen would pass the invitation along.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:03 - 2:39:04)
Very good.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:04 - 2:39:05)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:05 - 2:39:05)
I just wanna

[Speaker 4] (2:39:05 - 2:39:05)
W

[Speaker 2] (2:39:05 - 2:39:06)
vocalize that

[Speaker 1] (2:39:07 - 2:39:17)
We are in budget season. It is coming. And the longer these financial summit meetings take, I don't want to turn into Doug, but I'm just saying.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:18 - 2:39:24)
You know, we've got a I do the try chairs meeting now it's two or three weeks out and

[Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:25 - 2:39:25)
You know, I'm just concerned.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:25 - 2:39:26)
Holidays happening

[Speaker 5] (2:39:26 - 2:39:27)
The holidays

[Speaker 2] (2:39:27 - 2:39:27)
I are know,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:27 - 2:39:27)
coming

[Speaker 1] (2:39:27 - 2:39:28)
so I quickly. know. If you guys don't notice,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:28 - 2:39:29)
I know.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:29 - 2:39:29)
then also

[Speaker 2] (2:39:29 - 2:39:30)
But I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:39:30 - 2:39:30)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:39:30 - 2:39:30)
just saying.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:30 - 2:39:36)
lost a member of Tri-Chair, so now we have to bring a new member in. So I hear you,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:36 - 2:39:37)
I take the criticism,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:37 - 2:39:38)
Just no, no.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:38 - 2:39:44)
and I will do my very best to pressure us to get a very close date in January.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:45 - 2:39:50)
as fast as possible to to continue discussion in January I will if

[Speaker 6] (2:39:50 - 2:39:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:50 - 2:39:52)
that's the will of this board I will convey that to them.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:52 - 2:39:59)
Well, we're a little bit off topic, right, we're on the consent agenda, we're kind of uh just FYI, but

[Speaker 2] (2:39:59 - 2:39:59)
We're talking about

[Speaker 6] (2:39:59 - 2:39:59)
I guess

[Speaker 2] (2:39:59 - 2:40:00)
the calendar.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00)
it's trying I'm to

[Speaker 2] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00)
We're talking about

[Speaker 6] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00)
the board

[Speaker 2] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:40:00 - 2:40:00)
With

[Speaker 2] (2:40:00 - 2:40:01)
calendar.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:01 - 2:40:01)
the calendar,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:01 - 2:40:01)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:01 - 2:40:01)
we're

[Speaker 2] (2:40:01 - 2:40:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:01 - 2:40:01)
It's

[Speaker 2] (2:40:01 - 2:40:02)
we're

[Speaker 7] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02)
it's

[Speaker 2] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02)
on

[Speaker 7] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02)
top. being asked

[Speaker 1] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02)
talking

[Speaker 2] (2:40:02 - 2:40:03)
Right. We're talking about the calendar.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:03 - 2:40:03)
was the part of the calendar.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:03 - 2:40:04)
Okay, fine.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:04 - 2:40:06)
Um so then um

[Speaker 2] (2:40:06 - 2:40:06)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:07 - 2:40:09)
If you want we can wait till slack board time to keep the conversation

[Speaker 6] (2:40:09 - 2:40:09)
It's fine,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:09 - 2:40:09)
going.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:09 - 2:40:10)
fine. It no, it doesn't matter.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:10 - 2:40:11)
It's a long way to go anyway.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:11 - 2:40:11)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:40:11 - 2:40:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:11 - 2:40:11)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:40:12 - 2:40:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:12 - 2:40:22)
Uh sorry, um I agree with Danielle, and I think we were quite clear that the clock is super ticking about the school budget.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:23 - 2:40:42)
And that was what we I talk me if I'm wrong clearly said we thought the next topic should be and I'm not sure why it has to wait for a tri-chair meeting to email people and say can we have our next summit meeting about the school budget and get someone to come in and give an education.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:42 - 2:40:46)
We said the education was really important. So.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:47 - 2:40:51)
Is it not possible to coordinate actually just getting the summit?

[Speaker 8] (2:40:51 - 2:40:52)
It's not

[Speaker 1] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
a bi

[Speaker 1] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
what is a

[Speaker 8] (2:40:52 - 2:40:55)
-chair, it's not even a tri-chair, it's a bi-chair.

[Speaker 8] (2:40:55 - 2:40:58)
I mean, why don't we just scrap the chair and just have

[Speaker 1] (2:40:58 - 2:40:59)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59)
another

[Speaker 1] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59)
it's hard

[Speaker 8] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59)
meeting,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:59 - 2:41:00)
to scrap

[Speaker 8] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
you know?

[Speaker 1] (2:41:00 - 2:41:06)
the chair of the committee for which you are basing your next conversation on. So

[Speaker 6] (2:41:06 - 2:41:07)
I'm not suggesting that, but

[Speaker 1] (2:41:07 - 2:41:09)
so w what what we did last

[Speaker 6] (2:41:09 - 2:41:09)
Anyway.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:09 - 2:41:13)
time was we met in tri-chair, we created we crafted an agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:14 - 2:41:28)
we determined who was going to speak and what the direction of the conversation we thought the direction of the conversation might go in and then we picked a date. So that is what I hope to do on the 8th. It is the our wish is that the next conversation is about school budget.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:29 - 2:41:30)
Fincom met.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:30 - 2:41:53)
Monday and discussed the questions they had for school in advance of their budget coming forward. So there's some context there that I would like to understand that we can hopefully put towards that conversation related to the next mini thing. But if you all want to send me your feelings on what you think an agenda could be, if you can send them to Nick.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:54 - 2:42:01)
and we can compile them so we're not violating open meeting law, then I can bring that forward as all conversation topics

[Speaker 2] (2:42:01 - 2:42:05)
for I the think day. I think the question is why do you only why

[Speaker 2] (2:42:06 - 2:42:11)
Why not just have a m a meeting? Why not just be requesting the school and the finance committee, can we get a meeting

[Speaker 8] (2:42:11 - 2:42:13)
Like we did the last one.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:13 - 2:42:13)
that

[Speaker 9] (2:42:13 - 2:42:13)
Eight.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:13 - 2:42:14)
first week?

[Speaker 8] (2:42:14 - 2:42:15)
Today. I'd say can we can you do this?

[Speaker 2] (2:42:15 - 2:42:16)
Yeah, let's

[Speaker 8] (2:42:16 - 2:42:18)
If we all know how long it takes to get everybody in the same

[Speaker 2] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
room, Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:18 - 2:42:19)
like why are we

[Speaker 6] (2:42:19 - 2:42:19)
But

[Speaker 8] (2:42:19 - 2:42:19)
just

[Speaker 6] (2:42:19 - 2:42:20)
that's

[Speaker 8] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
like why sending

[Speaker 6] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
we're not

[Speaker 8] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
out

[Speaker 6] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
gonna take

[Speaker 8] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
an email

[Speaker 6] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
if we're

[Speaker 8] (2:42:20 - 2:42:21)
saying

[Speaker 6] (2:42:21 - 2:42:22)
gonna wait till January seven just

[Speaker 8] (2:42:22 - 2:42:23)
Just to have

[Speaker 6] (2:42:23 - 2:42:23)
to have

[Speaker 8] (2:42:23 - 2:42:23)
a conversation

[Speaker 6] (2:42:23 - 2:42:23)
let's just have like a about conversation

[Speaker 8] (2:42:23 - 2:42:24)
compensation.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:24 - 2:42:24)
then

[Speaker 2] (2:42:24 - 2:42:24)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:24 - 2:42:26)
then we're at the end of January the school budget's done.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:27 - 2:42:27)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:27 - 2:42:27)
It's like

[Speaker 1] (2:42:28 - 2:42:29)
Okay, so when do you all wanna meet?

[Speaker 6] (2:42:32 - 2:42:33)
Could be January seventh.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:34 - 2:42:36)
Uh, if it's our meeting, is it? Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:36 - 2:42:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:36 - 2:42:37)
Maybe we set

[Speaker 1] (2:42:37 - 2:42:37)
Last

[Speaker 8] (2:42:37 - 2:42:37)
one of

[Speaker 1] (2:42:37 - 2:42:38)
time

[Speaker 8] (2:42:38 - 2:42:38)
those school bowl

[Speaker 1] (2:42:38 - 2:42:38)
last

[Speaker 8] (2:42:38 - 2:42:38)
tables

[Speaker 1] (2:42:38 - 2:42:38)
time we did

[Speaker 8] (2:42:38 - 2:42:38)
or

[Speaker 1] (2:42:38 - 2:42:39)
take

[Speaker 8] (2:42:39 - 2:42:39)
whatever.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:39 - 2:42:47)
the school committee's time and we used their time as that meeting. So if you wanna take a select board meeting and make it that, we just have to then move around anything that

[Speaker 10] (2:42:47 - 2:42:47)
Or

[Speaker 1] (2:42:47 - 2:42:47)
we

[Speaker 10] (2:42:47 - 2:42:48)
January fourteenth.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:48 - 2:42:50)
so so

[Speaker 1] (2:42:52 - 2:43:00)
The suggestion would be well the twenty first would be the meeting, but if you wanna have if you wanna see three weeks in a row then yes, the fourteenth.

[Speaker 11] (2:43:01 - 2:43:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:01 - 2:43:03)
Or I'm fine we can we meet

[Speaker 2] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
Or the

[Speaker 6] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
at six

[Speaker 2] (2:43:03 - 2:43:04)
twenty first.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:04 - 2:43:04)
o'clock and get What a couple

[Speaker 2] (2:43:04 - 2:43:05)
about the

[Speaker 6] (2:43:05 - 2:43:05)
like

[Speaker 2] (2:43:05 - 2:43:05)
eighth?

[Speaker 6] (2:43:05 - 2:43:06)
board time done and then

[Speaker 2] (2:43:06 - 2:43:06)
What

[Speaker 6] (2:43:06 - 2:43:06)
at seven

[Speaker 2] (2:43:06 - 2:43:06)
about

[Speaker 6] (2:43:06 - 2:43:07)
o'clock yeah have everyone

[Speaker 2] (2:43:07 - 2:43:08)
What about

[Speaker 6] (2:43:08 - 2:43:08)
joined.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:08 - 2:43:09)
what about January eighth?

[Speaker 1] (2:43:10 - 2:43:10)
What about it?

[Speaker 2] (2:43:10 - 2:43:16)
Can we shoot to have uh all three committees on January eighth or the seven through eighth?

[Speaker 1] (2:43:18 - 2:43:21)
W we can shoot for whatever you want, but we are s two weeks out.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:21 - 2:43:25)
I don't think you're gonna have enough time to do January to do January seven

[Speaker 2] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
Does it

[Speaker 12] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
or

[Speaker 2] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
make sense

[Speaker 12] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
eight.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:25 - 2:43:26)
to set out a poll,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:26 - 2:43:26)
There there's

[Speaker 2] (2:43:26 - 2:43:27)
set it

[Speaker 6] (2:43:27 - 2:43:27)
not a real

[Speaker 2] (2:43:27 - 2:43:27)
to three

[Speaker 6] (2:43:27 - 2:43:28)
poll

[Speaker 2] (2:43:28 - 2:43:28)
committees?

[Speaker 6] (2:43:28 - 2:43:30)
week between now and January eighth.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
All

[Speaker 6] (2:43:30 - 2:43:31)
Fairness.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:31 - 2:43:31)
right.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:31 - 2:43:36)
So I think you're I think your the first time that you could possibly meet would be January fourteenth.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:37 - 2:43:38)
Or 13.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:38 - 2:43:48)
Why don't we sub the 21st, January 21st meeting, why don't we say school committee thank you so much for offering your last committee up as this mini summit. Our we're offering the 21st as the date for the mini summit.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:49 - 2:43:57)
Select board already meets on that date and having known that we will take anything that we need to discuss on the 21st and either push it to the 7th or push it to the 4th of February.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:58 - 2:43:59)
That sounds like a great

[Speaker 12] (2:43:59 - 2:43:59)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:43:59 - 2:43:59)
idea.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:59 - 2:44:00)
moved.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:01 - 2:44:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:01 - 2:44:03)
Just know that by that point.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:04 - 2:44:05)
We're far ahead, alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:06 - 2:44:06)
We're too far in?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:07 - 2:44:21)
No, we're not too far ahead. The the decision the school budget by that point is is you know, we can ask as many questions and have put as much much education out there, right, but it it's a very short window between the

[Speaker 6] (2:44:21 - 2:44:29)
But if if we had talked about it being an opportunity for education though, what input are you hoping to get out of it other than the education just so

[Speaker 8] (2:44:29 - 2:44:30)
understanding

[Speaker 6] (2:44:30 - 2:44:30)
You could be

[Speaker 8] (2:44:30 - 2:44:30)
how

[Speaker 6] (2:44:30 - 2:44:30)
plans.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:30 - 2:44:43)
they build understand I I don't I there from my understanding FinCom had a lot of questions we have a lot of you know unresolved issues with accounts and whatnot and thought process

[Speaker 1] (2:44:43 - 2:44:44)
M_O_Us and whatnot,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
yeah I

[Speaker 1] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:44 - 2:44:51)
mean there's a lot of stuff floating out there that is a that directly affects their budget which in turn is affects

[Speaker 1] (2:44:51 - 2:44:51)
Wait,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:51 - 2:44:52)
our

[Speaker 1] (2:44:52 - 2:44:52)
did you

[Speaker 8] (2:44:52 - 2:44:52)
budget

[Speaker 1] (2:44:52 - 2:44:53)
want me to suggest the 14th?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:53 - 2:44:57)
no I'm just saying like I would prefer to not go past that because I think

[Speaker 1] (2:44:57 - 2:44:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:57 - 2:44:57)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:44:57 - 2:44:58)
I I

[Speaker 6] (2:44:59 - 2:45:06)
Can I can I pick up because I think it's exactly the right question just for expectation setting for all of us

[Speaker 8] (2:45:06 - 2:45:06)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:06 - 2:45:19)
by correct me by charter like we don't have the purview to give any type of direction to

[Speaker 1] (2:45:19 - 2:45:19)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:19 - 2:45:25)
the school committee about the formation of their budget right so

[Speaker 6] (2:45:27 - 2:45:34)
what so I just kind of working back from that premise so that we're kind of level setting and not thinking that we're going to be able

[Speaker 2] (2:45:34 - 2:45:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:34 - 2:45:35)
to kind of like you know

[Speaker 8] (2:45:35 - 2:45:35)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:35 - 2:45:36)
guide suggest or recommend

[Speaker 2] (2:45:36 - 2:45:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:37 - 2:45:38)
or anything right

[Speaker 2] (2:45:38 - 2:45:38)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:40 - 2:45:48)
Therefore, you know, getting something in January would be good, so that when the school committee does present their budget,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:49 - 2:45:49)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:49 - 2:45:52)
people are up to speed already and they're hearing it in an educated

[Speaker 1] (2:45:52 - 2:45:53)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:53 - 2:45:53)
state.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:53 - 2:45:54)
We've let them set

[Speaker 8] (2:45:54 - 2:45:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:54 - 2:45:54)
the knowledge.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:54 - 2:45:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:55 - 2:45:55)
Right?

[Speaker 6] (2:45:55 - 2:45:55)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:55 - 2:45:56)
We're comfortable,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:56 - 2:45:58)
FinCom is more comfortable,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:58 - 2:46:02)
the schools can understand where we're coming from, we they and vice versa.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:02 - 2:46:05)
That's what we're looking for. We're not looking for it to say or input.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:06 - 2:46:11)
We're just looking for an equal playing field so that everybody understands everybody else's intent,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:11 - 2:46:11)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:46:11 - 2:46:33)
And the number one thing for me in this conversation with schools is that I always feel like there are understandings that exist and I feel like I'm always the last person at the table and so like I want to understand how many MOUs are out there and what people feel like those MOUs say and obligate people to do so that we can all manage expectations and it's not like

[Speaker 1] (2:46:34 - 2:46:41)
The golden ticket that comes out of town meeting like here's this MOU that we signed three years ago Like we all understand it and we all the same bits of information

[Speaker 1] (2:46:42 - 2:46:44)
That's one of the most important pieces for me

[Speaker 6] (2:46:46 - 2:46:47)
Now, having said all that,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:48 - 2:46:48)
what

[Speaker 6] (2:46:51 - 2:46:57)
is the mechanism by which formally the school committee understands

[Speaker 6] (2:46:58 - 2:47:08)
Again formally, of course it's in the ether, formally understands our financial condition, the town collectively. How how does that

[Speaker 6] (2:47:11 - 2:47:19)
how does that get communicated, how does that uh get taken into consideration as they formulate their budget? Is that

[Speaker 8] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
That's third

[Speaker 6] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
In

[Speaker 8] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
precinct.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:20 - 2:47:24)
a very high level, it's different in different communities.

[Speaker 13] (2:47:24 - 2:47:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:24 - 2:47:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:25 - 2:47:26)
Yeah, so like Winthrop,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:26 - 2:47:31)
the town administrator manager is someone I know from Linfield, and he's been in a couple other communities.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:31 - 2:47:35)
What he tries to do is to set like the base budget to say,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:35 - 2:47:38)
including expenses, like all in on each side,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:38 - 2:47:38)
this is what.

[Speaker 12] (2:47:39 - 2:47:55)
You all get and what it covers and what it you know what you're paying for and you know what's not covered in that what are shared services what what and it's a baseline to say like so your number is X the town operations is why the debt we carry is the you know like but that

[Speaker 6] (2:47:55 - 2:48:03)
In all honesty, I was talking to him about it this week, like how did he get there? Because part of my job here is to understand how we've operated here over time.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:03 - 2:48:08)
I have no interest and desire in changing everything in two and a half months into my time here.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:08 - 2:48:09)
It's working within,

[Speaker 6] (2:48:09 - 2:48:12)
and so it's a conversation I need to have with Eric.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:12 - 2:48:13)
I can talk to Glenn,

[Speaker 6] (2:48:13 - 2:48:14)
I can talk to you further.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:14 - 2:48:21)
Obviously Jason and I are the two newest to this, and so I need to get a better answer for you, but it's different in every community.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:21 - 2:48:21)
It

[Speaker 6] (2:48:21 - 2:48:21)
It's a short

[Speaker 8] (2:48:21 - 2:48:21)
is.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:21 - 2:48:22)
answer.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:21 - 2:48:22)
Jordan, it's

[Speaker 8] (2:48:22 - 2:48:22)
true.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:22 - 2:48:22)
a

[Speaker 2] (2:48:22 - 2:48:22)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:48:22 - 2:48:23)
So can I say

[Speaker 2] (2:48:23 - 2:48:23)
historically

[Speaker 6] (2:48:23 - 2:48:23)
that as an example?

[Speaker 2] (2:48:23 - 2:48:32)
is really the same. So what what historically has always happened is the town administrator has a conversation with the

[Speaker 6] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
Superintendent.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:32 - 2:48:33)
superintendent

[Speaker 8] (2:48:33 - 2:48:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:33 - 2:48:39)
and then the town administrator gives the superintendent a number and the past superintendent

[Speaker 2] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:50 - 2:48:59)
I think the one thing I would caution that is a bigger driver right now is special ed education and special ed transportation are

[Speaker 2] (2:49:00 - 2:49:05)
wildly expensive and change significantly with just a single student in the census either way.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:05 - 2:49:05)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:05 - 2:49:12)
So I the pressures are slightly different than it may have been, you know, seven years ago or five years ago. I just wanna highlight that. I'm it it

[Speaker 1] (2:49:12 - 2:49:13)
Talking two

[Speaker 3] (2:49:13 - 2:49:13)
We forgot

[Speaker 1] (2:49:13 - 2:49:13)
years ago,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:13 - 2:49:13)
that three

[Speaker 4] (2:49:13 - 2:49:13)
We

[Speaker 3] (2:49:13 - 2:49:13)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:49:13 - 2:49:14)
were talking two years.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:14 - 2:49:15)
Two years. We're just we're talking

[Speaker 4] (2:49:15 - 2:49:15)
And we

[Speaker 1] (2:49:15 - 2:49:15)
two

[Speaker 4] (2:49:15 - 2:49:15)
have a

[Speaker 1] (2:49:15 - 2:49:15)
years

[Speaker 4] (2:49:15 - 2:49:15)
circuit

[Speaker 1] (2:49:15 - 2:49:16)
ago. I

[Speaker 4] (2:49:16 - 2:49:16)
breaker.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:16 - 2:49:16)
don't think those pressures

[Speaker 4] (2:49:16 - 2:49:16)
We have the same

[Speaker 1] (2:49:16 - 2:49:17)
are really

[Speaker 4] (2:49:17 - 2:49:18)
breaker to deal with that, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:18 - 2:49:19)
we have we

[Speaker 4] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
Except

[Speaker 1] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
have

[Speaker 3] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
Special

[Speaker 4] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
the reserve fund,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
special

[Speaker 3] (2:49:19 - 2:49:20)
Reserve.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
so.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
reserve

[Speaker 1] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
pressure reserve.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:20 - 2:49:21)
fund now.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:21 - 2:49:22)
We have Okay. special we have circuit breaker,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:22 - 2:49:22)
Special

[Speaker 1] (2:49:22 - 2:49:26)
special reserve and then we have our emergency reserve within the two

[Speaker 1] (2:49:25 - 2:49:26)
within the town.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:26 - 2:49:27)
Great. So I guess working

[Speaker 6] (2:49:27 - 2:49:28)
So going back

[Speaker 5] (2:49:28 - 2:49:31)
back for it logically on this then for me,

[Speaker 5] (2:49:35 - 2:49:38)
you've already kind of given us a preliminary whole

[Speaker 1] (2:49:38 - 2:49:38)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:38 - 2:49:40)
that we're in, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:49:41 - 2:49:44)
In the conversation you were almost having with, you know, we were having kind of earlier,

[Speaker 5] (2:49:45 - 2:49:48)
now this comes in a different frame for me.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:50 - 2:49:53)
For example, if we met on January 7th,

[Speaker 5] (2:49:54 - 2:50:18)
continued this conversation and were more specific about the fact that collectively we be you know we believe we don't want taxes to go up you know more next so therefore we want to stick to two point even two point five and not to have kept in the levy that would then give you very specific information to be sharing with the superintendent so that they don't get

[Speaker 5] (2:50:19 - 2:50:21)
to the eleventh hour planning their budget

[Speaker 1] (2:50:21 - 2:50:22)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:22 - 2:50:25)
in a way which is perfectly reasonable from

[Speaker 1] (2:50:25 - 2:50:25)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:25 - 2:50:26)
like kind of what their

[Speaker 1] (2:50:26 - 2:50:26)
What

[Speaker 5] (2:50:26 - 2:50:26)
needs

[Speaker 1] (2:50:26 - 2:50:27)
they need.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:27 - 2:50:27)
are

[Speaker 1] (2:50:27 - 2:50:27)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:27 - 2:50:29)
but still maybe a significant

[Speaker 7] (2:50:29 - 2:50:30)
along

[Speaker 5] (2:50:30 - 2:50:30)
mismatch

[Speaker 1] (2:50:30 - 2:50:31)
what they can with afford.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:31 - 2:50:32)
our financial realities

[Speaker 1] (2:50:32 - 2:50:32)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:50:33 - 2:50:33)
right.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:33 - 2:50:35)
right that's where we seem to always kind of

[Speaker 1] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:35 - 2:50:36)
have the mashup,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:50:36 - 2:50:37)
And that's

[Speaker 5] (2:50:37 - 2:50:37)
yet

[Speaker 2] (2:50:37 - 2:50:37)
exactly

[Speaker 5] (2:50:37 - 2:50:38)
we haven't given that clearly

[Speaker 1] (2:50:39 - 2:50:40)
In enough

[Speaker 5] (2:50:40 - 2:50:40)
That time. correction,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:40 - 2:50:40)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:40 - 2:50:45)
and that's why we've had three budgets previously. We've had the school committee, the

[Speaker 1] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:45 - 2:50:46)
school attendance budget,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:46 - 2:50:46)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:46 - 2:50:48)
the town administrators budget and income's

[Speaker 1] (2:50:48 - 2:50:48)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:48 - 2:50:48)
budget.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:48 - 2:50:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:49 - 2:50:51)
Now it I mean for point of reference,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:51 - 2:50:58)
Linfield just yesterday asked for a 4.9 percent increased budget,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:58 - 2:51:03)
school budget. They presented, right, so Tom Geary, superintendent, presented his budget yesterday.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:04 - 2:51:07)
to the tune of four point nine five percent increase.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:08 - 2:51:10)
We're a swamp scot in terms of

[Speaker 1] (2:51:10 - 2:51:14)
that preparation right do we know do we have any idea I have no idea

[Speaker 5] (2:51:14 - 2:51:14)
No idea.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:15 - 2:51:16)
Well what what is the top?

[Speaker 2] (2:51:16 - 2:51:16)
The

[Speaker 9] (2:51:16 - 2:51:16)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:51:16 - 2:51:16)
ton there,

[Speaker 9] (2:51:16 - 2:51:17)
have to present

[Speaker 2] (2:51:17 - 2:51:18)
they don't have to present yet.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:18 - 2:51:38)
they don't but I'm saying like that you know there are towns that already are that far into their budget process at this point where they know what they're asking for what their need or what their needs are so for us to wait another month to your point like the schools are going to be you know they do they have a financial understanding of where we are or what

[Speaker 1] (2:51:38 - 2:51:44)
The anticipated increase from the schools last year was going to be over 4%.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:44 - 2:51:49)
I, Cheryl's comment to send her was that it would be between three and three quarters and four, not over four.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:50 - 2:51:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:50 - 2:51:54)
And she very specifically asked that if you were to get everything that you're asking for here,

[Speaker 2] (2:51:54 - 2:51:55)
are you a two and a half or below?

[Speaker 2] (2:51:55 - 2:51:57)
And Cheryl said no.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:57 - 2:51:59)
I think what we're looking at is really

[Speaker 1] (2:51:59 - 2:52:00)
When was this?

[Speaker 2] (2:52:00 - 2:52:05)
it was last spring. I don't r I can find the date, but I've heard it from Eric, I've heard it from other members

[Speaker 1] (2:52:05 - 2:52:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:05 - 2:52:10)
of the good. finance committee and I believe I even heard it from Jason I wouldn't I don't wanna make sure I don't wanna quote Jason

[Speaker 1] (2:52:10 - 2:52:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:10 - 2:52:12)
on it, but I've certainly heard it from Pincus members that

[Speaker 9] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:12 - 2:52:17)
that was a question that came up and was very directly asked and very directly answered.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:17 - 2:52:19)
But that was last spring for this s

[Speaker 2] (2:52:19 - 2:52:19)
Correct.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:19 - 2:52:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:20 - 2:52:25)
But going forward, if we give you everything you need right now, are you good and can stay within two two and a half

[Speaker 2] (2:52:24 - 2:52:27)
Two and a half going, you know, in future years. And

[Speaker 9] (2:52:27 - 2:52:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:27 - 2:52:27)
said

[Speaker 9] (2:52:27 - 2:52:27)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:27 - 2:52:29)
no, I don't think that's realistic was the answer.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:29 - 2:52:41)
So my point is they've they've probably very well already know what it is they've created if if for example Lynnfield knows right. I would think they're on a similar timetable, right. So that con the conversations need to be happening now.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:42 - 2:52:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:42 - 2:52:52)
That's what I'm saying, alright, to Doug's point. Because the longer we wait, like the more, you know, they're th they're thinking this way, we're thinking this way. There's the big divide, here it comes again, to David's point, the three budgets.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:52 - 2:52:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:53 - 2:52:54)
Right? This is what we're trying to avoid.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:55 - 2:52:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:59 - 2:53:00)
Okay, so we're back to the calendar.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:00 - 2:53:02)
Maybe we just start polling and seeing.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:03 - 2:53:06)
I d I would just like to say this is when it's happening with the treasurer,

[Speaker 10] (2:53:06 - 2:53:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:06 - 2:53:09)
because polling is a just a mess and

[Speaker 10] (2:53:09 - 2:53:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:09 - 2:53:11)
everybody's got opinions and nobody's ever going to be fully happy.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:11 - 2:53:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:12 - 2:53:14)
Happy. So I would rather just say

[Speaker 10] (2:53:14 - 2:53:15)
This is the for that for

[Speaker 9] (2:53:15 - 2:53:15)
these

[Speaker 10] (2:53:15 - 2:53:15)
the next

[Speaker 9] (2:53:15 - 2:53:15)
are two

[Speaker 10] (2:53:15 - 2:53:15)
one.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:15 - 2:53:19)
dates that work for select board. Please figure out if any of those two dates work for you.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:19 - 2:53:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:20 - 2:53:20)
Great.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:20 - 2:53:26)
So if that's the eighth and the fourteenth or whatever the two dates you guys come up with right now.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:26 - 2:53:27)
Now you tell me.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:30 - 2:53:39)
So if it's the 8th, I will email them tomorrow and let them know if that doesn't work for you and you wanted to try the 14th and the 21st. The 21st felt too late, so

[Speaker 2] (2:53:40 - 2:53:44)
And the request is for them to educate on how they put together the budget?

[Speaker 5] (2:53:44 - 2:53:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:45 - 2:53:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:45 - 2:53:50)
And then for us to unearth all the MOUs

[Speaker 2] (2:53:50 - 2:53:51)
Yep, I have

[Speaker 9] (2:53:51 - 2:53:51)
and

[Speaker 2] (2:53:51 - 2:53:51)
that.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:51 - 2:53:57)
understand their understanding of the MOU and our understanding of the MOU and how that affects budget.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:57 - 2:53:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:59 - 2:54:00)
Right. And, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:00 - 2:54:01)
And, of course...

[Speaker 5] (2:54:02 - 2:54:04)
the Nahant fund and

[Speaker 10] (2:54:04 - 2:54:04)
Right. Revolver

[Speaker 5] (2:54:04 - 2:54:05)
the utility

[Speaker 10] (2:54:05 - 2:54:05)
funds,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:05 - 2:54:05)
fund.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:05 - 2:54:06)
whatever.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:06 - 2:54:07)
What part of the MOU As question,

[Speaker 2] (2:54:07 - 2:54:07)
an MOU,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:07 - 2:54:07)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:54:07 - 2:54:07)
yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:07 - 2:54:07)
Because

[Speaker 5] (2:54:07 - 2:54:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:07 - 2:54:08)
how

[Speaker 5] (2:54:08 - 2:54:09)
Well, the Nahant's not an MOU.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:09 - 2:54:17)
the Nahant's not, but the utility for me, the MOU related to the utility and how it then didn't get budgeted and that's an understanding situation.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:17 - 2:54:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:17 - 2:54:22)
And so like putting it all out there on the table and saying, no,

[Speaker 9] (2:54:22 - 2:54:28)
that's not how we understood it and where those understandings came from. We have to work through some of that.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:28 - 2:54:33)
And then on our January 7th meeting, I guess I'm suggesting that we

[Speaker 5] (2:54:37 - 2:54:43)
try to provide, have a discussion and try to provide more clarity on

[Speaker 5] (2:54:44 - 2:54:48)
the financial bandwidth that we're shooting for.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:48 - 2:54:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:51 - 2:54:52)
What does that mean exactly?

[Speaker 2] (2:54:52 - 2:54:53)
Can you say that?

[Speaker 2] (2:54:53 - 2:54:53)
And,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:53 - 2:54:54)
Yeah, is it

[Speaker 2] (2:54:54 - 2:54:54)
or

[Speaker 5] (2:54:54 - 2:54:56)
is it two point five? Is it

[Speaker 9] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
two?

[Speaker 9] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:56 - 2:55:04)
Is it a million dollars into unused levy? Is it level funding? You know, really kind of pushing this conversation What further.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:04 - 2:55:07)
we realistically can say that we're comfortable with

[Speaker 5] (2:55:07 - 2:55:07)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:07 - 2:55:13)
and really understanding that. Not giving a mixed message, right, not saying minus two percent, right.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:13 - 2:55:14)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:14 - 2:55:18)
You know, when we really know it can be two point five, or whatever the case is, you know.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:19 - 2:55:27)
So I'm going to so going back to the calendar. I'm going to put 1 14 as an option other is there another option because we felt like 121 was too late.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:28 - 2:55:28)
One eight.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:29 - 2:55:30)
One

[Speaker 10] (2:55:30 - 2:55:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:30 - 2:55:30)
Fourteen

[Speaker 9] (2:55:30 - 2:55:30)
eight.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:30 - 2:55:34)
is, yeah, option one and one eight option two.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:34 - 2:55:36)
I just want to from the staff standpoint say

[Speaker 9] (2:55:36 - 2:55:36)
Is it

[Speaker 2] (2:55:36 - 2:55:37)
again

[Speaker 9] (2:55:37 - 2:55:37)
possible one

[Speaker 2] (2:55:37 - 2:55:37)
one

[Speaker 9] (2:55:37 - 2:55:37)
eight,

[Speaker 2] (2:55:37 - 2:55:38)
eight

[Speaker 9] (2:55:38 - 2:55:38)
but.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:38 - 2:55:46)
is I I don't know what we're asking I I'm I'm not entirely clear what we're asking to tell us or teach us or educate us, but

[Speaker 2] (2:55:47 - 2:56:02)
there's not a full week until that second week in in where staff doesn't have time off or we could not reasonably anticipate that staff would have time off between now and that week of the 8th so we'd be asking to do it on Monday Tuesday Wednesday of that week

[Speaker 5] (2:56:02 - 2:56:03)
of

[Speaker 2] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
is that

[Speaker 5] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
right

[Speaker 5] (2:56:03 - 2:56:14)
week yeah that that I don't understand what the issue is there's two different things here right one is for the schools we're talking about 1a to 114 for the schools all we're asking them is to kind of explain to us

[Speaker 5] (2:56:16 - 2:56:38)
collectively to try the big committee meeting multi-committee meeting just take us through your process try to get us make sure the complaint has been like people haven't taken the time to get educated right Glenn had a fair point people haven't taken the time their classes or this or that right so we're asking we're going to have a a school session educate us about the school budget okay

[Speaker 5] (2:56:39 - 2:56:44)
And about the MOUs, that should be something that I think Cheryl could do tomorrow,

[Speaker 9] (2:56:44 - 2:56:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:44 - 2:56:45)
if, you know, Okay. we asked her to,

[Speaker 5] (2:56:45 - 2:56:47)
right? So, that's

[Speaker 1] (2:56:47 - 2:56:48)
I mean there's got

[Speaker 5] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
it.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:48 - 2:56:49)
to be, listen,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:49 - 2:57:00)
there's got to be a clear understanding of the 2025 budget was a budget where multiple members of the school committee came in to town meeting and said

[Speaker 1] (2:57:01 - 2:57:03)
This budget that the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:03 - 2:57:15)
the finance committee, the select board gave to the superintendent, this budget does not cover what our needs are and we need another $400,000. During that town meeting...

[Speaker 1] (2:57:15 - 2:57:22)
We had a lot of drama and a lot of hard feelings. It was first it was added and then the next day it was decreased.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:22 - 2:57:35)
There was an additional $400,000 on the table. We go through this budget that was not enough, go through the budget in 2025. At the end of the year in 2025, there is close to,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:35 - 2:57:40)
what was it, almost $600,000.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:41 - 2:57:59)
that was left in the revolving account. So there has to be a real clear education as to how there was so much excess funding that was left in a revolving account. These are all the conversations that we need to have and understand how does that play into the future budget.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:01 - 2:58:02)
And that's the school side.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:03 - 2:58:05)
So back to your concern about town staff.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:06 - 2:58:08)
So I'm not sure

[Speaker 10] (2:58:08 - 2:58:09)
I don't really understand

[Speaker 5] (2:58:09 - 2:58:09)
how much

[Speaker 10] (2:58:09 - 2:58:10)
what they

[Speaker 5] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
there

[Speaker 10] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
plan.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:10 - 2:58:11)
work there is for you

[Speaker 2] (2:58:11 - 2:58:14)
I was talking on behalf of school staff,

[Speaker 10] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
Okay. Ah.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
not being

[Speaker 5] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:14 - 2:58:15)
able to do that.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:15 - 2:58:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:15 - 2:58:17)
I was just saying staff of

[Speaker 5] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17)
Now that

[Speaker 2] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17)
I've

[Speaker 2] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17)
town

[Speaker 5] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17)
said

[Speaker 2] (2:58:17 - 2:58:18)
of Swarthmore.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:18 - 2:58:21)
that, do you feel like that's unreasonable burden

[Speaker 10] (2:58:21 - 2:58:22)
You read from reasonable ask.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:22 - 2:58:30)
on them to prepare that type of basic information for a January 8th meeting at this point?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:30 - 2:58:34)
I think we should ask the vice chair. I don't want to speak for the, I was just cautioning the fact that.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:34 - 2:58:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:34 - 2:58:38)
that between now and then we get next week is Christmas, the week after is New Year's.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:38 - 2:58:38)
It's off week.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:38 - 2:58:44)
I'm gonna put both dates I'm gonna make both dates an option and then they can they can all fight about it

[Speaker 2] (2:58:44 - 2:58:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:45 - 2:58:45)
ourselves.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:45 - 2:58:48)
I was only highlighting the calendar, not saying that it is or

[Speaker 2] (2:58:48 - 2:58:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:49 - 2:58:49)
is not

[Speaker 4] (2:58:49 - 2:58:49)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:58:49 - 2:58:49)
doable.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:49 - 2:58:49)
I would go

[Speaker 2] (2:58:49 - 2:58:49)
It

[Speaker 4] (2:58:49 - 2:58:50)
out on might a little

[Speaker 2] (2:58:50 - 2:58:50)
not bit work.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:50 - 2:58:51)
and say that Cheryl Stella could do it and

[Speaker 4] (2:58:52 - 2:58:53)
24 hours, honest to God.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:53 - 2:58:54)
Well, that's

[Speaker 4] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
If I have that

[Speaker 3] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
not

[Speaker 4] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
much space

[Speaker 3] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
going to

[Speaker 4] (2:58:54 - 2:58:55)
in

[Speaker 3] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
hurt

[Speaker 4] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
her.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
you at

[Speaker 4] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
No,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
lunch,

[Speaker 4] (2:58:55 - 2:58:56)
I would never,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
but but but

[Speaker 4] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
I have that much

[Speaker 1] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
faith.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:56 - 2:58:57)
a compliment to her.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:57 - 2:58:58)
Yeah, absolutely is.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:58 - 2:58:59)
We've, um,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:59 - 2:58:59)
She

[Speaker 3] (2:58:59 - 2:58:59)
uh,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:59 - 2:59:00)
just had a

[Speaker 3] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
compliment.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:00 - 2:59:05)
I I will work for a 1-8 or 1-14 mini summit on schools.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:06 - 2:59:24)
we will discuss a broad explanation of school budgeting and how it comes to uh formation and the MOUs and the understandings of those MOUs and and and I will also ask Eric and Glenn for any other topics they wish to discuss to add to the agenda and that is where I will leave that.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:24 - 2:59:26)
Okay. I will move the consent

[Speaker 3] (2:59:26 - 2:59:26)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (2:59:26 - 2:59:26)
agenda.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:26 - 2:59:28)
so as amended. So

[Speaker 1] (2:59:28 - 2:59:29)
As amended.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:31 - 2:59:32)
That was too quick, sorry.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:32 - 2:59:33)
Sorry I know I lost.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:34 - 2:59:34)
agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:35 - 2:59:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:36 - 2:59:36)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:36 - 2:59:38)
You're moving it, just removing the

[Speaker 4] (2:59:38 - 2:59:38)
Removing

[Speaker 5] (2:59:38 - 2:59:39)
It shouldn't

[Speaker 4] (2:59:39 - 2:59:39)
P.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:39 - 2:59:39)
that.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:39 - 2:59:39)
be.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:39 - 2:59:39)
are too big.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:39 - 2:59:40)
At the moment.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:40 - 2:59:41)
Until January.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:41 - 2:59:41)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:41 - 2:59:43)
Yep. All those in favor?

[Speaker 1] (2:59:43 - 2:59:43)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:43 - 2:59:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:44 - 2:59:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:45 - 2:59:48)
Very good. Okay, so now we have select board time.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:49 - 2:59:55)
You all stole my topic already because I was going to talk about tri-chair and where things are going,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:55 - 3:00:11)
but let's get ahead of the game for the next part of that conversation which is the following conversation was going to be our financial boundaries and guardrails, but now it feels like talking about that in February is maybe

[Speaker 4] (3:00:11 - 3:00:11)
Too late.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:11 - 3:00:12)
too late.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:12 - 3:00:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:12 - 3:00:13)
To be honest.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:13 - 3:00:15)
Doug's going to say I told you so.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:16 - 3:00:18)
Not that that's on the tip of your tongue, but.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:18 - 3:00:19)
Well, see.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:19 - 3:00:19)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (3:00:19 - 3:00:20)
So what

[Speaker 3] (3:00:20 - 3:00:20)
let's

[Speaker 1] (3:00:20 - 3:00:22)
is this ejecting going on here tonight? I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:22 - 3:00:24)
There's a there's a there's a

[Speaker 1] (3:00:24 - 3:00:27)
Okay, I forgot the sweater. I'm sorry, okay? You know, it's uh alright.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:28 - 3:00:43)
Um so then I'm open to feedback about conversations, you know, if we meet on the eighth, maybe we can, if we really wanna hang out in January, you guys wanna meet again at the end of January, but

[Speaker 3] (3:00:45 - 3:00:49)
I'm open to thoughts and you don't have to have them right now. Just get them sooner.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:49 - 3:01:04)
I I I don't think I don't think it's uh I don't think it'd be shocking to me to say that we would need a third summit. Even though we may express our desire and guidance January 7th we give total lucid clarity um the schools you know are still going to produce their budget.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:05 - 3:01:07)
We're still going to be going through our budget process.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:07 - 3:01:08)
There's still going to be pressures.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:08 - 3:01:10)
There's still going to be decisions to be made.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:11 - 3:01:13)
We're still probably going to be pushing up against

[Speaker 1] (3:01:13 - 3:01:18)
And the um uh not thresholds um

[Speaker 3] (3:01:18 - 3:01:18)
Background.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:18 - 3:01:19)
Guidelines.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:19 - 3:01:19)
Limits.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:19 - 3:01:19)
Financial guidelines.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:19 - 3:01:30)
Yeah, financial guidelines, et cetera. So I think, you know, it's entirely possible that a collective discussion could still happen at that point, but I don't think it needs to be, you know, scheduled or worried about at this moment.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:30 - 3:01:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:32 - 3:01:32)
My two cents.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:35 - 3:01:37)
Pennies are hard to come by, so I'll take your two cents.

[Speaker 9] (3:01:40 - 3:01:42)
I had a couple things.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:42 - 3:01:43)
Please do.

[Speaker 9] (3:01:43 - 3:01:50)
Thanks. So, you know, we welcomed this week, we welcomed a new business,

[Speaker 9] (3:01:50 - 3:01:51)
Sam Walker's, to Swampscott.

[Speaker 9] (3:01:52 - 3:01:53)
It's a 400-seat restaurant.

[Speaker 9] (3:01:54 - 3:01:56)
It's 10,000 square feet.

[Speaker 9] (3:01:56 - 3:02:01)
It is going to be, you know, really the beating heart of Vinnin Square.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:01 - 3:02:03)
It's pretty exciting.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:04 - 3:02:06)
Drinks are great. The food's great.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:08 - 3:02:13)
You know, I encourage everybody to check it out during the holiday season and beyond.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:13 - 3:02:15)
Certainly a really,

[Speaker 9] (3:02:15 - 3:02:19)
it was pretty impressive being in there last night.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:20 - 3:02:33)
I did run into Lars Bethanis, who also served on this board and served as president of Anchor Food Pantry since it was established in March of 2020 during the pandemic.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:33 - 3:02:36)
So I want to send a special congratulations to her. She's...

[Speaker 9] (3:02:36 - 3:02:40)
She's still going to serve on the board no longer as president,

[Speaker 9] (3:02:40 - 3:02:54)
but I want to commend her and her board and everybody who's really volunteered and donated their time, efforts, and energies to Anchor Food Pantry. So thank you, Laura,

[Speaker 9] (3:02:55 - 3:02:58)
and thank you to the board. And I just want to acknowledge two.

[Speaker 9] (3:03:00 - 3:03:28)
to children uh as well. Uh we saw some uh we saw some news uh media out, you know, when I I I woke up on Wednesday morning and I saw uh two local boys uh River and Riley Winant uh had raised money for uh for Anchor Food Pantry by getting out and shovelling uh sidewalks, driveways um you know they really embodied uh the the meaning of uh of the holidays and the holiday spirit. So I think our community is better for uh

[Speaker 9] (3:03:28 - 3:03:39)
you know, for having um River uh and Riley and Laura and so many other community members uh who have uh you know who have worked tirelessly. So I just wanted to say thank you.

[Speaker 9] (3:03:40 - 3:03:41)
Happy holidays.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:41 - 3:03:43)
Thank you, River.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:44 - 3:03:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:47 - 3:03:48)
Anybody else would like to go?

[Speaker 4] (3:03:48 - 3:03:57)
Sure. Um I have I happen to agree with David, Sam Adam, Sam Walker Tavern, amazing. We all I think were there last night.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:58 - 3:04:06)
Fantastic. It looks beautiful. It's a welcome addition. I wish them much success. I think Swampscott is going to embrace them. I think they already have,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:06 - 3:04:07)
which is great news.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:08 - 3:04:14)
Kudos to Big Blue Bargains, who is doing a wonderful 10 or 12 days of giving.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:15 - 3:04:18)
They've brought cookies and stuff to town hall,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:18 - 3:04:18)
the post office,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:19 - 3:04:20)
lunch for the DPW.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:21 - 3:04:25)
I mean, they've knocked it out of the park. Such a generous organization and really.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:25 - 3:04:28)
really spreading cheer all around this town.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:29 - 3:04:31)
Along with the rec department,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:31 - 3:04:32)
I just,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:32 - 3:04:36)
I was at the puzzling, Christmas puzzling, totally

[Speaker 3] (3:04:36 - 3:04:36)
Inquisition.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:36 - 3:04:37)
getting whooped.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:37 - 3:04:38)
Did you win?

[Speaker 4] (3:04:38 - 3:04:39)
I could not win,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:39 - 3:04:40)
absolutely not.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:40 - 3:04:42)
I couldn't even finish my 500 piece

[Speaker 3] (3:04:42 - 3:04:42)
Who

[Speaker 4] (3:04:42 - 3:04:42)
puzzle.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:42 - 3:04:42)
was on your team?

[Speaker 4] (3:04:42 - 3:04:47)
I had some real strong players on my team and still I had my glasses and all,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:47 - 3:04:49)
couldn't do it.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:49 - 3:04:51)
Should have taken you four with me.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:53 - 3:05:00)
But an amazing number of programs out of Clark School and fun stuff for the kids and just a lot happening in town.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:00 - 3:05:03)
I've never seen this town so festive,

[Speaker 4] (3:05:03 - 3:05:04)
I'll say,

[Speaker 4] (3:05:04 - 3:05:11)
you know, in the past month or so, like a lobster trap Christmas tree, like, you know, Santa Con up and down Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:11 - 3:05:15)
There's just stuff going on left and right, and it's really nice to see and be a part of.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:16 - 3:05:19)
I'm happy to wear this sweater at David's suggestion.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:19 - 3:05:35)
Again, um, and the memory of Don House, you know, it's just, it's been a really nice holiday season in Swampscott and I'm glad to be part of it. Um, but they blew bargains, uh, they topped the list for me. They've just done an extraordinary thing. So thank you for that.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:35 - 3:05:36)
That's all I have.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:38 - 3:05:38)
Um

[Speaker 1] (3:05:38 - 3:05:44)
Well, since I forgot to wear my holiday sweater, I'll give non-holiday related updates.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:45 - 3:05:49)
So in one, Nick, you might be able to help me out with,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:49 - 3:05:55)
just wanted to bring it to people's attention that as part of, this is from the Climate Action Committee,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:55 - 3:06:00)
since we were awarded being a climate leader,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:00 - 3:06:02)
we again,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:02 - 3:06:05)
I think the board knows, we have

[Speaker 1] (3:06:05 - 3:06:18)
We have the option to pursue two different types of grants, $150,000 and a million, and we have put in for the $150,000 kind of research study grant,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:18 - 3:06:20)
and that is a very, very comprehensive

[Speaker 1] (3:06:21 - 3:06:23)
assessment of the opportunities at the high school.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:24 - 3:06:32)
Everything from, you know, replacing the heating systems to the parking lot to canopies to everything under the sun.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:33 - 3:06:34)
Catch the pun.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:34 - 3:06:54)
Um and thank you. Um uh so um that is um uh under way. I I don't know the timing uh or anything uh in terms of how long or anything kind of I don't know exactly. But I know that it will inform future decisions here on heating, cooling, um

[Speaker 1] (3:06:54 - 3:06:55)
Geothermal,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:55 - 3:07:02)
Geothermal geothermal assessment, how we can right. actually sequence all those things along with the parking lot and any improvements there.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:03 - 3:07:09)
And then the other thing is another update on the community preservation committee?

[Speaker 4] (3:07:10 - 3:07:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:10 - 3:07:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:10 - 3:07:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:11 - 3:07:12)
That didn't sound right.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:12 - 3:07:14)
So they met for their first meeting.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:16 - 3:07:20)
And they'll be meeting again January 7th for a training,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:20 - 3:07:23)
and there's lots of people from, you know, many,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:24 - 3:07:26)
many different boards that are on that committee,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:26 - 3:07:32)
and this is going to be a great training. And everyone from those committees, not just the representatives,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:32 - 3:07:38)
is invited to participate in them to really understand the resources there and the process there.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:39 - 3:07:43)
So I think that's January 7th at 7 o'clock,

[Speaker 10] (3:07:43 - 3:07:43)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:43 - 3:07:43)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:07:43 - 3:07:45)
Right. And that's senior center.

[Speaker 11] (3:07:45 - 3:07:45)
Yes

[Speaker 1] (3:07:45 - 3:07:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:46 - 3:07:49)
So everybody's welcome to come.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:49 - 3:08:01)
And we we are on track to collect seven hundred fifty thousand dollars by July 1st through the assessment.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:01 - 3:08:10)
And and so and it is possible that there could be things that would come up.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:10 - 3:08:29)
up at May town meeting that would be kind of an acceleration in some ways given that when the committee got formed but there will be funds available for the committee to disperse if they so choose to go down that path so I think

[Speaker 2] (3:08:31 - 3:08:32)
No, you did a good job.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:32 - 3:08:35)
Oh thank you, thank you, okay. Um so I think that's all for me.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:37 - 3:08:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:37 - 3:08:43)
So for me, I just wanna thank Joe Dulette, Nate Versheim, Nathan Kent,

[Speaker 2] (3:08:43 - 3:08:52)
Danielle, or Sirky um for once again bringing us the videos and broadcasting this meeting. Um

[Speaker 2] (3:08:52 - 3:09:03)
And on the Christmas theme, first I want to thank I want to thank you, Nick, for offering to take us out after this meeting over to Sam Walker's for their career

[Speaker 4] (3:09:03 - 3:09:03)
Ha,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:03 - 3:09:03)
for

[Speaker 4] (3:09:03 - 3:09:03)
ha,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:03 - 3:09:04)
ordering drinks.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:04 - 3:09:04)
ha, ha.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:05 - 3:09:05)
It took

[Speaker 5] (3:09:06 - 3:09:07)
It got so late though, so.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:07 - 3:09:08)
I think we could still make

[Speaker 6] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
it.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
guess

[Speaker 5] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
We're

[Speaker 6] (3:09:08 - 3:09:09)
it's okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:09 - 3:09:10)
a little bit late since I still want that

[Speaker 2] (3:09:10 - 3:09:10)
I think

[Speaker 5] (3:09:10 - 3:09:10)
kind

[Speaker 2] (3:09:10 - 3:09:10)
your license

[Speaker 5] (3:09:10 - 3:09:11)
of thing.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:11 - 3:09:17)
goes to one. So you're you'll be covered just bring your credit card. And but the Christmas prayer, I just want to

[Speaker 2] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19)
Shrimp.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:19 - 3:09:20)
Talk.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:21 - 3:09:22)
So um

[Speaker 2] (3:09:23 - 3:09:24)
But our Christmas parade,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:24 - 3:09:24)
again,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:25 - 3:09:26)
that the Police Department puts on,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:26 - 3:09:30)
it's always a super favorite of mine and my neighborhood.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:30 - 3:09:32)
Everybody comes running out,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:32 - 3:09:34)
and it's just a magnificent parade.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:34 - 3:09:40)
And I'm not sure everybody understands that that parade is put on by the Swampscott Police Association,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:40 - 3:09:43)
and those are all volunteers out there.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:43 - 3:09:44)
Those police officers that you're seeing,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:45 - 3:09:46)
they're all volunteers,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:46 - 3:09:48)
police departments that come from.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:49 - 3:09:53)
Lynn was there, Salem was there, Nahant was there. I don't know.

[Speaker 7] (3:09:53 - 3:09:55)
The high school band played this year.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:55 - 3:09:56)
They were amazing.

[Speaker 7] (3:09:56 - 3:09:58)
Yep. That was the first year they played.

[Speaker 8] (3:09:58 - 3:10:00)
Oh really? I didn't know that.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:00 - 3:10:01)
Santa was there. It was just

[Speaker 8] (3:10:01 - 3:10:01)
Yep,

[Speaker 2] (3:10:01 - 3:10:01)
DPW,

[Speaker 8] (3:10:01 - 3:10:01)
yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:01 - 3:10:11)
you know, the trucks are all polished up and lit up. It's just, it's really great. And I just want to thank them for their hard work and and really making it super festive.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:12 - 3:10:15)
And I just want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:15 - 3:10:16)
Merry Christmas,

[Speaker 7] (3:10:16 - 3:10:16)
Thank you

[Speaker 1] (3:10:16 - 3:10:16)
Mary.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:16 - 3:10:28)
Mariano. I will mention Diane emailed that the next dementia training is on February 23rd in Town Hall at 3 p.m. So community members would like to attend.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:29 - 3:10:34)
And I, given that is the holiday season and we spoke about all the things that bring us cheer.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:35 - 3:10:37)
Please knock on your neighbor's doors.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:37 - 3:10:41)
Make sure that they're okay. Make sure that they have somebody to celebrate the holiday with.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:41 - 3:10:50)
That's what community is all about and that is one thing that we do very well in Swampscott, so let's continue to do that because the holidays aren't easy for everybody.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:50 - 3:10:53)
So with that, I will entertain a motion.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:54 - 3:10:54)
So moved.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:54 - 3:10:55)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:56 - 3:10:57)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (3:10:57 - 3:10:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:57 - 3:10:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:57 - 3:10:58)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58)
Thank

[Speaker 7] (3:10:58 - 3:10:59)
Thank you. you.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
Night.