[Speaker 1] (0:32 - 0:33)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (0:33 - 0:40)
Um hey everyone. Uh we're gonna open up the Monday January twelfth twenty twenty six uh swapscot

[Speaker 2] (0:40 - 0:43)
The swap gates shut. I am training with the New York.

[Speaker 3] (0:45 - 0:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (0:48 - 0:50)
Alright. Um

[Speaker 4] (0:50 - 0:51)
Got the Sunday afternoon crowd.

[Speaker 1] (0:51 - 0:58)
So we'll open the meeting um and I think the first thing that we have is just approval of the minutes.

[Speaker 5] (0:59 - 1:03)
Right so let's see. I think the minutes were from

[Speaker 5] (1:04 - 1:07)
Do we have them in here, Crystal, or are we gonna pull them up or

[Speaker 6] (1:07 - 1:11)
Yeah, I will pull them up. Um they're not in the packet, but I did send them.

[Speaker 5] (1:12 - 1:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:48 - 1:49)
Are you all able to see on the screen?

[Speaker 7] (1:50 - 1:50)
We can all see.

[Speaker 1] (1:50 - 1:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:50 - 1:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:05 - 2:06)
I didn't have any. I don't know if anybody else did.

[Speaker 7] (2:06 - 2:08)
Can I tilt this a little bit?

[Speaker 1] (2:10 - 2:11)
Is this tiltable?

[Speaker 5] (2:12 - 2:13)
Oh, towards us?

[Speaker 1] (2:13 - 2:13)
Is this

[Speaker 6] (2:13 - 2:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:13 - 2:13)
is

[Speaker 5] (2:14 - 2:14)
You

[Speaker 1] (2:14 - 2:14)
You

[Speaker 5] (2:14 - 2:14)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:14 - 2:14)
can yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:14 - 2:15)
can try.

[Speaker 1] (2:15 - 2:15)
it's okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:15 - 2:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:16 - 2:18)
You can also try try to squeeze a

[Speaker 5] (2:18 - 2:24)
Uh-uh, a little more a little more, because it's got one big slab of light right now. Okay better.

[Speaker 1] (2:24 - 2:24)
That's better.

[Speaker 7] (2:24 - 2:25)
That's better.

[Speaker 5] (2:25 - 2:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:25 - 2:27)
Just make a little bit bigger if you could.

[Speaker 1] (2:27 - 2:29)
It's just the ceiling light is reflecting on

[Speaker 5] (2:29 - 2:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:29 - 2:29)
it.

[Speaker 1] (2:29 - 2:29)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (2:32 - 2:32)
Oh, much better.

[Speaker 5] (2:33 - 2:37)
Thanks, Jer. And thank you, Krista, that's much better.

[Speaker 5] (2:39 - 2:42)
Okay, d don't revolve right, okay.

[Speaker 1] (4:46 - 4:46)
Any comments?

[Speaker 5] (4:47 - 4:47)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 5] (4:48 - 4:49)
I'm fine with it.

[Speaker 9] (4:50 - 4:53)
Make a motion to accept the uh meeting minutes

[Speaker 1] (4:53 - 4:53)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (4:53 - 4:53)
Second.

[Speaker 9] (4:53 - 4:54)
from last month.

[Speaker 1] (4:54 - 4:55)
Uh, all those in favour?

[Speaker 1] (4:55 - 4:55)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (4:55 - 4:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (4:56 - 4:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (4:56 - 4:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (4:57 - 4:57)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (4:57 - 4:57)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (4:59 - 5:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (5:00 - 5:12)
Okay. Um before we just move into the rest of the meeting, you know obviously this is a full house tonight fuller than normal. So uh we're gonna try to, you know, keep folks on a little bit more of a schedule.

[Speaker 1] (5:12 - 5:24)
So I'd I'd ask just if you could, you know, I'll open it up for each petitioner to give an initial presentation, but if you could try to keep that to about five minutes, just so that we can then get board comments, public comments and a

[Speaker 1] (5:25 - 5:29)
you know, summation at the end. Um I'd appreciate that.

[Speaker 1] (5:30 - 5:44)
Uh so to start that off um we are hearing uh a application twenty five twenty. This is continued from the December tenth public hearing uh for fifty five Puddled and Road uh by Peter Solaris.

[Speaker 10] (5:44 - 5:45)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (5:45 - 5:46)
Hey.

[Speaker 10] (5:48 - 5:50)
Are we going to put something up on the screen?

[Speaker 10] (5:51 - 5:51)
What do you I want?

[Speaker 6] (5:51 - 5:52)
can do it or you can share

[Speaker 10] (5:52 - 5:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (5:52 - 5:53)
the minutes.

[Speaker 10] (5:53 - 5:57)
I can share mine. How do I I'm looking all the share button right there

[Speaker 1] (5:57 - 5:59)
If you could just introduce your I we know who

[Speaker 10] (5:59 - 5:59)
Sorry,

[Speaker 1] (5:59 - 5:59)
you are but just

[Speaker 10] (5:59 - 5:59)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (5:59 - 6:00)
introduce

[Speaker 10] (6:00 - 6:00)
Peter

[Speaker 1] (6:00 - 6:00)
yourself.

[Speaker 10] (6:00 - 6:03)
Solaris for 55 Puritan Road in Swampscott

[Speaker 10] (6:07 - 6:09)
All right, let's see if that works

[Speaker 10] (6:11 - 6:11)
Yep

[Speaker 10] (6:16 - 6:30)
So last time we were here we we talked about a lot of things and I believe we did a nice job kind of addressing everything we spoke about and I just want to go through that with everyone right now.

[Speaker 10] (6:31 - 6:41)
This kind of shows a little rendering of the proposed changes at 55 Puritan Road.

[Speaker 10] (6:42 - 6:58)
I know we talked specifically about, you can s can you see my? Yeah, you can. So we specifically talked about that front entrance. Originally it did not have a band going across as it actually does now.

[Speaker 10] (7:00 - 7:07)
Now meaning currently. So currently the building has a nice trim band going around the front of it and around the right and around the left.

[Speaker 10] (7:08 - 7:11)
And we had kind of stopped in the original proposal,

[Speaker 10] (7:12 - 7:14)
the columns almost went all the way up to the band,

[Speaker 10] (7:15 - 7:34)
so it it did look a little bizarre, I'd have to agree. So um we brought it down to something I I feel the scale is is more appropriate. Uh you know, we talked about with with Jared, mostly, you know architecturally um we we've played a little bit with like a boarding bat on the fronts.

[Speaker 10] (7:34 - 7:43)
and a classic siding to the right. Um but I've got a couple of versions of that and and I'll show you

[Speaker 10] (7:44 - 7:46)
I I kind of nailed it down to two

[Speaker 10] (7:48 - 7:55)
which is right here. So one is just siding all the way across. Um we did add all the dental work in here.

[Speaker 10] (7:56 - 7:58)
That was not in the original renderings.

[Speaker 10] (7:58 - 8:05)
We always planned on keeping the dental work and it was it was a little simplistic obviously in the proposal but with a lot of detail and showing everything.

[Speaker 10] (8:06 - 8:11)
So those are kind of the two options that I'm, you know, toying with.

[Speaker 10] (8:11 - 8:24)
I really haven't decided. I like them both, so I put them in here. I'm open to some feedback with the board and batten, you know, they're both kind of classic and traditional, but really the major thing we did was change the way that that parking worked.

[Speaker 10] (8:25 - 8:28)
Oh, I shouldn't say the parking worked, the way that that looked, that garage looked.

[Speaker 10] (8:29 - 8:52)
And then we talked greatly about um the roof and access and elevation heights. So I went in um we did up update all of that. So we have a elevation line to the top of the roof at thirty five nine existing. We're not increasing that. Um we are looking at

[Speaker 10] (8:53 - 9:03)
You know a roof hatch and and something to cover up the AC units being that it's in a flood zone We're trying to do something nice to cover those up We're trying to keep below the existing chimney line.

[Speaker 10] (9:03 - 9:07)
That's there So the chimney line as you can see is a little bit taller than what we're proposing

[Speaker 10] (9:09 - 9:14)
We also talked about the parking and how we were trying to get

[Speaker 10] (9:15 - 9:17)
One compact and

[Speaker 10] (9:18 - 9:21)
four regular sized cars we

[Speaker 10] (9:22 - 9:26)
have that cantilever and I'm going to zoom in a little bit I know there's a little delay

[Speaker 10] (9:29 - 9:34)
so right in there that line shows that that's cantilevering over we talked about

[Speaker 10] (9:35 - 9:42)
You know, doing something where it's high enough where the front nose of a car can go underneath so we can get two full-size cars.

[Speaker 10] (9:42 - 9:44)
And when I tell you I tried,

[Speaker 10] (9:44 - 9:48)
I tried, you know, we possibly can,

[Speaker 10] (9:48 - 9:53)
but I don't want to mislead the board and say, oh, yeah, we can do it and then someone pulls up there.

[Speaker 10] (9:54 - 9:59)
The only way to achieve that is to nosedive the driveway and put the water all the way into the house, which.

[Speaker 1] (10:02 - 10:12)
I will kind of jump a little bit ahead and say I have the plans of the electric driveway that we talked about for the water.

[Speaker 1] (10:12 - 10:14)
And that, of course, if we implement,

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:22)
which I really would like to do that, and I know it's a larger cost, but it really makes a lot of sense for that water to be pitched off and not go into the house.

[Speaker 1] (10:22 - 10:24)
So real quick while we're here,

[Speaker 1] (10:24 - 10:25)
this...

[Speaker 1] (10:26 - 10:51)
This here scenario and when they first sent it to me I'm like what is this so this scenario says it's a 16 by 8 compact car and then that 4 by 10 is the walkway so I plan on on having it on the whole thing in the front so everything drains and then the next one is a full-size vehicle at 18 by 9 and then what I'm calling a hybrid vehicle because I couldn't get the 8 the 18

[Speaker 1] (10:52 - 11:17)
But I'll show you what I'll show you what we did get and then the next one is 218 and 18 by 9 so all this configuration if it makes sense is the electric mat configuration that they build they designed for us so it's kind of like in this section here it's a six by nine by whatever it is three foot wide so it's a series of mats that you put underneath the asphalt or the pavers and then you use that.

[Speaker 1] (11:18 - 11:22)
I just want to kind of show that before I get back to the um the site plan.

[Speaker 2] (11:22 - 11:23)
And that basically heats the pavement?

[Speaker 1] (11:23 - 11:32)
It heats it yeah. Uh I'm using it now in a location it it's it's amazing. There's a sensor. As soon as it measures as soon as it senses snow, it goes on.

[Speaker 1] (11:33 - 11:44)
It takes about I would say twenty minutes for the asphalt to heat up and then it stays an additional you round an additional hour after the snow stops. Um I can do it with

[Speaker 1] (11:44 - 12:06)
I talked to them about using solar power and um electricity. So it's it's a clever system where you'd like to say I want to use all solar power 'cause you don't have to there's no cost, right, if you're using solar power, and it's green and I love it. But sometimes they said the solar power just doesn't do the job.

[Speaker 1] (12:06 - 12:11)
So they have a transmitter that knows that and it switches over to AC,

[Speaker 1] (12:11 - 12:12)
DC,

[Speaker 1] (12:12 - 12:14)
whatever the power voltage is, and it kicks right in.

[Speaker 1] (12:15 - 12:16)
So what I wanted to do is...

[Speaker 1] (12:18 - 12:22)
Every unit, like unit one unit two unit three would have it on their own meter.

[Speaker 1] (12:22 - 12:35)
So it's metered separately, everyone has it, everyone has to use it, and it just it just makes it so easy with removing you know snow and area. 'Cause it's very tough, it's tough to move around on pure at the nine acre street.

[Speaker 1] (12:36 - 12:38)
So um

[Speaker 2] (12:38 - 12:39)
Well, five.

[Speaker 1] (12:39 - 12:40)
Did I go over five?

[Speaker 2] (12:40 - 12:41)
No, I'm saying

[Speaker 3] (12:41 - 12:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (12:41 - 12:42)
just you're good, but

[Speaker 1] (12:42 - 12:43)
Yeah, yeah, I'm almost done.

[Speaker 1] (12:44 - 12:46)
So the compact car,

[Speaker 1] (12:46 - 12:47)
8x16.

[Speaker 1] (12:48 - 12:49)
The large cars,

[Speaker 1] (12:49 - 12:50)
we have number three,

[Speaker 1] (12:50 - 12:52)
number four, number five. And then the hybrid,

[Speaker 1] (12:53 - 13:08)
we got a little bit above the 16 for a hybrid with a 10-foot wide. That's why I call it a hybrid. We also added the greenery instead of a fence to the left and to the right. I did speak with my neighbor, with Ted and the neighbor on the other side, and we...

[Speaker 1] (13:07 - 13:36)
We I have some ideas of some some shrubbery and so forth to use and we kind of left it off with we'll mutually agree upon something that's nice that's not too tall where you can't see backing out and making it a danger but I like the effect of putting more green on there than not and then we have a little bit more of the green I don't know if you can see it on this on the walkway in between some kind of a paver

[Speaker 1] (13:37 - 13:41)
So a little bit just I thought it was a nice touch an architectural nice touch.

[Speaker 1] (13:41 - 13:51)
We really you know other than that It's really it's really the electric heat underneath and the hot top that's going to be primarily what's going on there

[Speaker 1] (13:53 - 13:58)
I think I got it all I can pause obviously not go over the five minutes and answer any questions

[Speaker 2] (13:59 - 13:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (14:01 - 14:03)
And Jer, I did look at that building.

[Speaker 1] (14:03 - 14:07)
I did try to do that. I saw that building with the parking underneath and the cross-bracing,

[Speaker 2] (14:07 - 14:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (14:07 - 14:11)
and I tried versions of that, I just couldn't make it look as n as nice,

[Speaker 2] (14:11 - 14:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (14:11 - 14:12)
but we did try that.

[Speaker 2] (14:15 - 14:16)
Um any comments from the board?

[Speaker 4] (14:18 - 14:19)
Um

[Speaker 1] (14:19 - 14:21)
And I'm an expert, by the way, on car sizes.

[Speaker 1] (14:22 - 14:23)
I can tell you what a compact is,

[Speaker 1] (14:23 - 14:25)
I can tell you what a BMW 3 is, an X3,

[Speaker 1] (14:25 - 14:26)
an Audi 7,

[Speaker 1] (14:26 - 14:26)
an Audi Q.

[Speaker 1] (14:27 - 14:29)
I found that most of them were way under,

[Speaker 1] (14:30 - 14:32)
even like the compact cars were 12 feet,

[Speaker 1] (14:32 - 14:33)
13 feet,

[Speaker 1] (14:33 - 14:33)
so you got 16.

[Speaker 1] (14:34 - 14:35)
A standard SUV,

[Speaker 1] (14:35 - 14:36)
and I'll show you real quick,

[Speaker 1] (14:36 - 14:38)
I've got a whole list of them right here.

[Speaker 1] (14:40 - 14:43)
Standard sizes like a Volvo S60,

[Speaker 1] (14:43 - 14:44)
15.6 by 6,

[Speaker 1] (14:44 - 14:46)
a BMW X-Series.

[Speaker 1] (14:46 - 14:49)
I'll just get right down to like a large SUV,

[Speaker 1] (14:49 - 14:51)
Chevy Tahoe, 1756.

[Speaker 1] (14:51 - 14:52)
They're all under 18.

[Speaker 1] (14:52 - 14:55)
But a standard like BMW X5 or Jeep Cherokee,

[Speaker 1] (14:55 - 14:57)
just under 16.

[Speaker 1] (14:57 - 14:59)
16.9, 15.7.

[Speaker 1] (15:00 - 15:01)
And then the compact, the tiny,

[Speaker 1] (15:02 - 15:03)
13 and so forth.

[Speaker 1] (15:03 - 15:20)
So I was surprised and kind of happy to see that even if we had something smaller, a lot of vehicles fit under that 16 other than, and even the other than the SUVs, the Tahoe's, the Yukon's, Expeditions, the Escalades, those are over 17.

[Speaker 5] (15:23 - 15:32)
I think the biggest concern there was that, you know, and we mentioned you using some cobblestone type of thing to

[Speaker 1] (15:32 - 15:32)
We

[Speaker 5] (15:32 - 15:32)
outline

[Speaker 1] (15:32 - 15:33)
have that in it too.

[Speaker 5] (15:33 - 15:33)
to

[Speaker 1] (15:33 - 15:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (15:33 - 15:40)
create a delineation between the driveway and the sidewalk is that there is no encroaching on the sidewalk.

[Speaker 1] (15:40 - 15:40)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (15:40 - 15:49)
So that's going to be conditioned and something that you'll have to, you know, monitor and just, you know, make sure that whoever parks there is not.

[Speaker 5] (15:50 - 15:52)
um is not sticking out in the

[Speaker 1] (15:52 - 15:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (15:52 - 15:52)
sidewalk.

[Speaker 1] (15:52 - 16:15)
and we that's what we're going to do similar to that like with a cobble on the edge so it clearly defines I'll put it in leases I'll put it in whatever it takes and it'll be on them and you know they'll know I mean I could find them and kind of police it myself just to be a nuisance to them I just want to get the parking off the street as much as I can.

[Speaker 5] (16:17 - 16:34)
Um, okay, and I think, you know, you've done, tried to do the best you can getting a little more greenery in the front. I mean, you know, I think there's, there are ways to get in there, either it's, you know, short, trimmed boxwood shrubbery, something that isn't just a patch of grass, but does

[Speaker 1] (16:34 - 16:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (16:34 - 16:36)
kind of, you know, speak as

[Speaker 1] (16:36 - 16:37)
As a border.

[Speaker 5] (16:37 - 16:39)
translates as something green there. As

[Speaker 1] (16:39 - 16:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (16:39 - 16:43)
opposed to, because you've, you do have, you know, you are removing all that.

[Speaker 5] (16:44 - 17:07)
the grass in the front and it does look pretty stark without anything so whatever you can do and you can certainly keep it short no one's expecting you to grow six-foot trees there but you know and I would you know I'd really want to personally see that as a you know as a condition of making sure that you fit that kind of greenery in there

[Speaker 5] (17:10 - 17:14)
Other than that, I don't have any other comments at the moment. I thought, you know,

[Speaker 5] (17:14 - 17:18)
the roof lines, I think you did a good job getting that to scale.

[Speaker 2] (17:20 - 17:24)
I also feel dropping the skirt under the bay has helped

[Speaker 5] (17:24 - 17:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (17:24 - 17:24)
helped

[Speaker 1] (17:24 - 17:25)
Oh yeah,

[Speaker 2] (17:25 - 17:25)
a

[Speaker 1] (17:25 - 17:25)
I agree.

[Speaker 2] (17:25 - 17:25)
feel

[Speaker 5] (17:25 - 17:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (17:26 - 17:27)
it feels a lot more stabilized.

[Speaker 5] (17:27 - 17:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (17:28 - 17:39)
Um one question I do have, just a c a couple things jump that are our concerns for me. What is the width of your front door? Because the landing going into that

[Speaker 1] (17:39 - 17:39)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (17:39 - 17:39)
looks

[Speaker 1] (17:39 - 17:40)
I can

[Speaker 2] (17:40 - 17:44)
like it would become a pinch point that could be very difficult for uh coming

[Speaker 1] (17:44 - 17:45)
you tell the...

[Speaker 2] (17:45 - 17:48)
and going with groceries. It would be very difficult

[Speaker 2] (17:48 - 17:53)
difficult to get furniture in and out of because you don't have any sort of turning ability out there.

[Speaker 1] (17:53 - 17:54)
I think,

[Speaker 2] (17:54 - 17:55)
So I'm curious if

[Speaker 5] (17:55 - 17:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (17:55 - 18:05)
that deck could actually match the dimensions of the the roof above it and still allow for cars to come in and out. Because that does feel tight.

[Speaker 1] (18:05 - 18:11)
Yeah, yeah, I think we can do that. I mean, I was shooting for 48 inches coming in in a 36-inch door.

[Speaker 1] (18:12 - 18:14)
But it looks like more,

[Speaker 2] (18:14 - 18:14)
The way it's drawn,

[Speaker 1] (18:14 - 18:14)
it

[Speaker 2] (18:14 - 18:15)
it looks like

[Speaker 1] (18:15 - 18:15)
looks

[Speaker 2] (18:15 - 18:15)
it's

[Speaker 1] (18:15 - 18:15)
like

[Speaker 2] (18:15 - 18:15)
a 36

[Speaker 1] (18:15 - 18:16)
a 36 and a 36.

[Speaker 2] (18:16 - 18:17)
36 and 36,

[Speaker 1] (18:17 - 18:17)
It does.

[Speaker 2] (18:17 - 18:19)
and I think you would be a lot better off just,

[Speaker 2] (18:19 - 18:21)
because if you've ever had that sort

[Speaker 1] (18:21 - 18:21)
It's

[Speaker 2] (18:21 - 18:22)
of, that's

[Speaker 1] (18:22 - 18:22)
tight.

[Speaker 2] (18:22 - 18:23)
tough.

[Speaker 1] (18:23 - 18:23)
It's tight. And

[Speaker 2] (18:23 - 18:23)
And

[Speaker 1] (18:23 - 18:23)
I don't,

[Speaker 2] (18:23 - 18:24)
that's the front door.

[Speaker 1] (18:24 - 18:29)
I have some wiggle room, especially to the right, to do that for sure.

[Speaker 5] (18:29 - 18:29)
You could fan

[Speaker 2] (18:29 - 18:29)
It looks like

[Speaker 5] (18:29 - 18:30)
out

[Speaker 2] (18:30 - 18:30)
you, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (18:30 - 18:33)
the staircase too at the top. I mean, if you needed to keep it narrow at

[Speaker 1] (18:33 - 18:33)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (18:33 - 18:34)
the bottom,

[Speaker 2] (18:34 - 18:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (18:34 - 18:34)
right?

[Speaker 2] (18:34 - 18:37)
But you do seem to have enough space when

[Speaker 1] (18:37 - 18:37)
We

[Speaker 2] (18:37 - 18:38)
I'm looking

[Speaker 1] (18:38 - 18:38)
do.

[Speaker 2] (18:38 - 18:38)
at.

[Speaker 2] (18:38 - 18:39)
Looking at that because the areas

[Speaker 1] (18:39 - 18:40)
On both sides, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (18:40 - 18:44)
that you've marked for the cars aren't actually cars they're the driveway width.

[Speaker 1] (18:44 - 18:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (18:44 - 18:49)
So I would sort of think making that a little bit more generous it just functionally

[Speaker 1] (18:49 - 18:49)
I agree.

[Speaker 2] (18:49 - 18:50)
could work better.

[Speaker 2] (18:50 - 18:54)
But it will also feel more substantial as an entrance with

[Speaker 1] (18:54 - 18:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (18:55 - 18:57)
that getting pulled up there.

[Speaker 5] (18:57 - 18:58)
Still look great.

[Speaker 2] (18:59 - 19:03)
There's, I appreciate the variations on elevations.

[Speaker 2] (19:03 - 19:09)
My recommendation would be especially with eliminating the first floor bay,

[Speaker 2] (19:09 - 19:12)
not to just emphasize the turn of the bay.

[Speaker 2] (19:13 - 19:14)
So if you're going in,

[Speaker 2] (19:14 - 19:21)
I think you would be better off maintaining the siding so the bay feels like something that is integrated into the building,

[Speaker 2] (19:21 - 19:22)
not attached to the building,

[Speaker 2] (19:22 - 19:22)
versus

[Speaker 1] (19:22 - 19:24)
versus the board and bat.

[Speaker 2] (19:24 - 19:26)
the board and bat.

[Speaker 1] (19:26 - 19:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (19:26 - 19:26)
The board and bat.

[Speaker 2] (19:26 - 19:31)
All of a sudden that unit feels like something attached instead

[Speaker 1] (19:31 - 19:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (19:31 - 19:33)
of something that's integral to

[Speaker 5] (19:33 - 19:33)
I

[Speaker 2] (19:33 - 19:34)
the structure.

[Speaker 5] (19:34 - 19:34)
agree.

[Speaker 1] (19:34 - 19:34)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (19:34 - 19:36)
And I think that will,

[Speaker 2] (19:36 - 19:41)
especially when you are going to be experiencing that from the street and looking up,

[Speaker 5] (19:41 - 19:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (19:41 - 19:44)
you're going to be seeing the underside of the carport.

[Speaker 2] (19:45 - 19:51)
So you're going to really want to feel that that's an entire piece, not something that has a...

[Speaker 2] (19:52 - 19:54)
uh a surface detail on it.

[Speaker 3] (19:54 - 19:55)
I

[Speaker 1] (19:55 - 19:55)
I

[Speaker 3] (19:55 - 19:55)
agree.

[Speaker 1] (19:55 - 19:59)
do think the banding helps significantly on

[Speaker 3] (19:59 - 19:59)
Definitely.

[Speaker 1] (19:59 - 20:12)
it. I do notice that you've done some experimentation with either maintaining the banding as it is or even adding a second, and I think I think that both are

[Speaker 1] (20:12 - 20:14)
successful.

[Speaker 4] (20:14 - 20:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (20:14 - 20:19)
Right now this has light fixtures that are on the first,

[Speaker 1] (20:19 - 20:19)
second,

[Speaker 1] (20:19 - 20:22)
and third floor as if the porches were still there.

[Speaker 1] (20:22 - 20:31)
And I don't think I would recommend that because I feel like those would start, they will make it appear that there was a porch that was removed,

[Speaker 4] (20:31 - 20:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (20:31 - 20:32)
which there was.

[Speaker 4] (20:32 - 20:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (20:33 - 20:37)
But the other thing is that they're adding light where there's no light really needed.

[Speaker 4] (20:37 - 20:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (20:37 - 20:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (20:38 - 20:53)
um so i would i would avoid those um question around the hatch i i think it might just be a revit thing but there's two variations you have a hatch then you have a hatch with like a safety rail around

[Speaker 6] (20:53 - 20:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (20:53 - 20:53)
it

[Speaker 6] (20:53 - 20:53)
yep.

[Speaker 1] (20:53 - 21:04)
um so that might have just been imported um unintentionally um and i think with this type of roof roof hatch you're this is really about

[Speaker 1] (21:05 - 21:10)
uh access not a uh not a

[Speaker 7] (21:10 - 21:10)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (21:10 - 21:10)
debit there.

[Speaker 7] (21:10 - 21:11)
right.

[Speaker 1] (21:11 - 21:14)
Okay. Great. Um

[Speaker 1] (21:16 - 21:20)
I guess the only other thing I would say is I appreciate the introduction of the cobble.

[Speaker 1] (21:20 - 21:28)
I'm wondering if it could be increased a little bit to start cutting down the amount of blacktop out there just for heat gain,

[Speaker 1] (21:28 - 21:32)
but also to sort of maybe show where car parking is.

[Speaker 8] (21:32 - 21:33)
was going to say it could define the

[Speaker 1] (21:33 - 21:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (21:33 - 21:33)
car parks

[Speaker 1] (21:33 - 21:34)
to define

[Speaker 8] (21:34 - 21:34)
yep

[Speaker 1] (21:34 - 21:36)
the pedestrian to the automotive.

[Speaker 8] (21:36 - 21:38)
yep I like that

[Speaker 9] (21:44 - 21:45)
At least on the front where the columns are.

[Speaker 9] (21:46 - 21:47)
I'm looking at it now.

[Speaker 8] (21:47 - 21:47)
Will you pay anything?

[Speaker 10] (21:48 - 21:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (21:48 - 21:50)
And around where the the passage in

[Speaker 9] (21:50 - 21:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (21:50 - 21:53)
is I I think that entry you could sort of

[Speaker 9] (21:53 - 21:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (21:53 - 21:55)
allow that to be a little bit um

[Speaker 9] (21:55 - 21:56)
Wider.

[Speaker 1] (21:56 - 21:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (21:57 - 21:58)
What are in color?

[Speaker 8] (22:01 - 22:03)
Mister Bill do you have anything?

[Speaker 1] (22:04 - 22:04)
No.

[Speaker 8] (22:04 - 22:04)
No?

[Speaker 8] (22:05 - 22:06)
Um are you good sure?

[Speaker 1] (22:06 - 22:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (22:06 - 22:11)
Alright, great. Uh any one from the public here to speak on this?

[Speaker 8] (22:14 - 22:15)
No.

[Speaker 8] (22:15 - 22:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (22:16 - 22:17)
An line? Anyone on Oh, line?

[Speaker 8] (22:17 - 22:18)
yeah. Anyone online?

[Speaker 1] (22:22 - 22:24)
I did have one other recommendation,

[Speaker 1] (22:24 - 22:33)
um on the rear elevation or the I'm from the Midwest so we'd call it the front elevation if you face the water it was always the front of the building. Um

[Speaker 1] (22:33 - 22:44)
But here we'll call it the rear. The uh the windows there, my recommendation would be to um to trim those windows appropriately to the other windows so there's consistency.

[Speaker 9] (22:45 - 22:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (22:47 - 22:50)
'Cause right now they're being shown as uh trimless.

[Speaker 1] (22:51 - 22:52)
There's no banding on 'em at all.

[Speaker 9] (22:52 - 22:53)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 9] (22:54 - 22:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (22:58 - 22:59)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 8] (23:00 - 23:13)
Um if there are no further comments from the board, then even though we've already done this once before, I think it probably makes sense to just go through the uh special permit

[Speaker 11] (23:13 - 23:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (23:13 - 23:20)
conditions to make sure that we're all in accord. Um so just running through

[Speaker 8] (23:22 - 23:28)
um let's see. Uh the project shall minimise the volume of cut and fill.

[Speaker 8] (23:29 - 23:44)
The number of removed trees, uh the length of removed stone walls, the area of wetland vegetation displaced, the extent of storm water flow increase from the site, soil erosion and threat of air and water pollution. I think we're comfortable that it achieves

[Speaker 11] (23:44 - 23:44)
Alright,

[Speaker 8] (23:44 - 23:44)
that.

[Speaker 11] (23:44 - 23:44)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (23:44 - 23:54)
Um maximise pedestrian and vehicular safety both on site and egressing from it. I think we've solved that pretty well.

[Speaker 8] (23:54 - 24:01)
Minimize obstruction of scenic views from publicly accessible locations. I think we've addressed that as well.

[Speaker 8] (24:02 - 24:06)
Minimize visual intrusion by controlling the visibility of parking,

[Speaker 8] (24:06 - 24:07)
storage,

[Speaker 8] (24:07 - 24:16)
or other outdoor service areas viewed from public ways or premises residentially used or zoned. I think we spent most of our time talking about that and the parking.

[Speaker 8] (24:17 - 24:20)
Minimize glare from headlights and lighting.

[Speaker 8] (24:21 - 24:24)
Intrusion uh that's been addressed and

[Speaker 11] (24:24 - 24:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (24:24 - 24:37)
thank you for those most recent lighting comments. Minimize unreasonable det departure from the character materials and scale of buildings in the vicinity as viewed from public ways and places. Again I think all the recent revisions have

[Speaker 11] (24:37 - 24:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (24:37 - 24:39)
done a lot to achieve that.

[Speaker 8] (24:40 - 24:51)
Minimize contamination of ground water from on-site waste water disposal systems or operations on the premises involving the use, storage, handling or containment of hazardous substances. Um I don't think that's really a problem here.

[Speaker 8] (24:51 - 24:55)
Ensure compliance with the provisions of this zoning by-law, including parking

[Speaker 9] (24:55 - 24:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (24:55 - 25:04)
and landscaping, that is satisfied. Minimize adverse traffic impact of the proposed project. I think just by adding the parking it's beneficial.

[Speaker 8] (25:05 - 25:11)
Um, and minimize the hazard of coastal flooding, taking into account the effects of long-term sea level rise and storm surge.

[Speaker 8] (25:12 - 25:14)
Um I think that's achieved through

[Speaker 11] (25:14 - 25:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (25:14 - 25:17)
these uh revisions as well.

[Speaker 11] (25:18 - 25:18)
I agree.

[Speaker 8] (25:18 - 25:21)
Um so with that, uh

[Speaker 8] (25:22 - 25:26)
I'm sure maybe you'd like to make a motion if you're inclined to in

[Speaker 1] (25:26 - 25:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (25:26 - 25:26)
which case

[Speaker 1] (25:26 - 25:26)
I

[Speaker 8] (25:26 - 25:26)
I'll

[Speaker 1] (25:26 - 25:26)
go.

[Speaker 11] (25:27 - 25:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (25:27 - 25:29)
I would make a motion

[Speaker 1] (25:30 - 25:31)
To

[Speaker 11] (25:31 - 25:31)
How do we,

[Speaker 1] (25:31 - 25:31)
approve

[Speaker 11] (25:31 - 25:37)
how do I identify this one? How do we identify this one? Is there a

[Speaker 12] (25:37 - 25:39)
Well, um I'll try to do it.

[Speaker 11] (25:39 - 25:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (25:40 - 25:43)
You you correct me if I do it badly. Um what

[Speaker 11] (25:43 - 25:44)
Join.

[Speaker 1] (25:44 - 25:57)
what I would do is propose that we um pass this with the conditions that the siding on the bay would be consistent with the house siding um and that the

[Speaker 1] (25:58 - 26:04)
Banding on the building be maintained with the option of adding the third floor banding.

[Speaker 13] (26:04 - 26:05)
Um

[Speaker 1] (26:05 - 26:16)
the lighting be reduced to the first floor and not on the facade on the second and third floor. Um

[Speaker 1] (26:17 - 26:27)
With the widening of the front stoop to allow for easiest either easier egress and the addition of

[Speaker 1] (26:28 - 26:36)
paver stone in the pedestrian ways to minimize the blacktop lot coverage.

[Speaker 1] (26:36 - 26:37)
Did I hit everything?

[Speaker 8] (26:38 - 26:40)
curb overreach is that is

[Speaker 11] (26:40 - 26:41)
I think that was included,

[Speaker 8] (26:41 - 26:42)
that the last

[Speaker 11] (26:42 - 26:42)
you know,

[Speaker 8] (26:42 - 26:42)
one okay

[Speaker 11] (26:42 - 26:49)
with the maximizing the curbing. And I would just add all lighting is dark sky compliant,

[Speaker 11] (26:49 - 26:50)
which I know we talked about last time.

[Speaker 11] (26:55 - 27:07)
The, in terms of the landscaping, I would like to see landscaping with some sort of substance and not simply sort of, you know, um patches of grass, which I know is challenging here, but I think you can

[Speaker 9] (27:07 - 27:08)
We can do it.

[Speaker 11] (27:08 - 27:14)
I think you're, yeah, I think we're um clear about, you know, what what to needed um and I think you'll do the best that you can here and

[Speaker 8] (27:16 - 27:19)
Um Krista, do you have that? We want us to read

[Speaker 12] (27:20 - 27:20)
Or

[Speaker 8] (27:20 - 27:20)
You

[Speaker 12] (27:20 - 27:21)
do you want

[Speaker 8] (27:21 - 27:21)
can take

[Speaker 12] (27:21 - 27:21)
to read

[Speaker 8] (27:21 - 27:21)
that.

[Speaker 12] (27:21 - 27:22)
it to us?

[Speaker 14] (27:22 - 27:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 14] (27:25 - 27:27)
I got most of them.

[Speaker 12] (27:27 - 27:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 14] (27:27 - 27:37)
So you motion to approve with the conditions that the siding is consistent with the house siding on the bay.

[Speaker 14] (27:38 - 27:42)
Banding is maintained with the option for the third floor.

[Speaker 14] (27:43 - 27:46)
And then there is another one.

[Speaker 12] (27:47 - 27:47)
Uh

[Speaker 14] (27:47 - 27:47)
Sorry.

[Speaker 12] (27:47 - 27:50)
that the the

[Speaker 11] (27:50 - 27:50)
Lighting.

[Speaker 12] (27:50 - 27:57)
with the option of adding third floor the lighting that's above the second floor on the facade be eliminated.

[Speaker 14] (27:57 - 27:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (28:02 - 28:04)
Front door widening.

[Speaker 12] (28:04 - 28:04)
Widening

[Speaker 14] (28:04 - 28:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (28:05 - 28:10)
of the landing on at the front door to increase ease of egress.

[Speaker 14] (28:10 - 28:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 14] (28:12 - 28:13)
At the front door

[Speaker 11] (28:13 - 28:14)
There's a number

[Speaker 1] (28:14 - 28:17)
Landscape, inclusion of landscaping is shown in plans.

[Speaker 11] (28:17 - 28:18)
and

[Speaker 1] (28:18 - 28:27)
Increasing of non blacktop pavers around the pedestrian areas, including the front door.

[Speaker 11] (28:27 - 28:29)
and to delineate the parking spots.

[Speaker 1] (28:29 - 28:31)
And to delineate the parking spots.

[Speaker 11] (28:34 - 28:36)
And dark sky compliant lighting.

[Speaker 1] (28:39 - 28:43)
And the last would be that I did forget, and I will add at this moment,

[Speaker 1] (28:44 - 28:55)
um that the trim on the new window configurations on the ocean side of the building uh be to match the trim the window trim on the rest of the house.

[Speaker 11] (28:57 - 28:58)
I'll second that.

[Speaker 8] (28:59 - 29:00)
Alright, all those in favour?

[Speaker 11] (29:01 - 29:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (29:02 - 29:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 12] (29:03 - 29:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (29:03 - 29:03)
Hi.

[Speaker 8] (29:04 - 29:04)
Alright.

[Speaker 8] (29:04 - 29:05)
So moved.

[Speaker 11] (29:05 - 29:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (29:05 - 29:06)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (29:06 - 29:06)
All right.

[Speaker 12] (29:06 - 29:06)
Very good.

[Speaker 14] (29:07 - 29:07)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (29:07 - 29:08)
I appreciate it.

[Speaker 8] (29:14 - 29:15)
All right.

[Speaker 8] (29:16 - 29:32)
The next item on the agenda is another continuation from the December 10th public hearing. This is application 25-21-A.D. Puritan Road by East Scott Miller requesting a site plan special permit.

[Speaker 8] (29:33 - 29:46)
Um and before I open this one up to the petitioner, I just want to have the board talk for a moment because I think we're s we either were still missing some application items earlier today or we received them

[Speaker 11] (29:46 - 29:46)
Uh,

[Speaker 8] (29:46 - 29:47)
this morning.

[Speaker 11] (29:47 - 29:49)
yeah, and I don't have a copy of that one in front of me.

[Speaker 2] (29:50 - 29:50)
Um

[Speaker 3] (29:50 - 29:51)
Is that in the deck?

[Speaker 4] (29:51 - 29:52)
Right, so,

[Speaker 1] (29:52 - 29:52)
Did it?

[Speaker 4] (29:52 - 29:55)
um the application is still missing a landscape plan,

[Speaker 1] (29:55 - 29:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (29:56 - 29:58)
um as well as

[Speaker 4] (29:59 - 30:02)
architectural elevations that separately

[Speaker 4] (30:02 - 30:05)
define existing and proposed.

[Speaker 2] (30:05 - 30:05)
All right,

[Speaker 4] (30:05 - 30:05)
Right

[Speaker 2] (30:05 - 30:05)
do you want to

[Speaker 4] (30:05 - 30:05)
now

[Speaker 2] (30:05 - 30:06)
see they're the combined three sides?

[Speaker 4] (30:06 - 30:07)
into one. Yep.

[Speaker 2] (30:07 - 30:07)
The elevation.

[Speaker 4] (30:07 - 30:11)
So those are the the two things that are missing for a complete application.

[Speaker 2] (30:12 - 30:23)
And I'd also I had some questions about the calculations of the square footage on the third half story on the third

[Speaker 1] (30:23 - 30:23)
floor. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (30:25 - 30:34)
So I'm wondering if you want to continue this, uh you know, given that we have we've already heard this year right, this petition at the last hearing, and

[Speaker 5] (30:34 - 30:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (30:34 - 30:35)
um

[Speaker 5] (30:35 - 30:49)
And I would like to just clarify the elevations that we're missing is the elevation of the existing house with the two neighbouring houses showing the existing and the new versions, so that we see the per the the scale and proportion.

[Speaker 2] (30:49 - 30:52)
And we also don't have a comment from all the other board members.

[Speaker 2] (30:52 - 30:54)
I will adopt what the board members,

[Speaker 2] (30:54 - 30:55)
pardon me,

[Speaker 2] (30:55 - 31:01)
all the other, Matt was particularly interested in the fire department in terms of the firefighting.

[Speaker 4] (31:01 - 31:10)
Right. So we actually did receive comments from the fire department today following your request for that,

[Speaker 4] (31:10 - 31:13)
and that has been added to the project folder,

[Speaker 4] (31:13 - 31:17)
but they did not have any concerns.

[Speaker 2] (31:17 - 31:18)
Okay, good.

[Speaker 2] (31:19 - 31:32)
Um yeah, so we just um at the end of the day we just need to see a complete application and that's um that's the most important thing so that we can just get through the entire process smoothly and quickly and

[Speaker 2] (31:33 - 31:36)
be able to evaluate the project properly.

[Speaker 5] (31:38 - 31:42)
So I would move to continue to the February meeting.

[Speaker 2] (31:43 - 31:44)
I second.

[Speaker 1] (31:44 - 31:45)
All those in favour?

[Speaker 6] (31:46 - 31:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (31:46 - 31:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (31:46 - 31:46)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (31:46 - 31:47)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (31:47 - 32:01)
So we'll continue it to the February meeting um and if you could just have the full application by then and if you have any questions, you know, feel free to reach out to the town or any of us, just in terms of you know what's uh required to have it be complete by the next one. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (32:01 - 32:02)
you.

[Speaker 1] (32:02 - 32:02)
Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (32:02 - 32:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (32:03 - 32:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (32:05 - 32:24)
Okay, uh next item on the agenda is application twenty four dash eighteen four fifty Paradise Road and five fifty five Essex Street by Center Corp Retail Properties Incorporated. Um by Ken Schutzer Esquire. Uh Ken?

[Speaker 7] (32:24 - 32:25)
Good evening.

[Speaker 8] (32:26 - 32:35)
I should be before the board. We were last before the board, you may recall, on January the 13th, at which time the approval for the site development plan was granted.

[Speaker 8] (32:36 - 32:48)
In the interim we've discovered a few modifications and revisions to those plans. You should have before you actually two letters from Mr.

[Speaker 8] (32:48 - 32:54)
Horsfeld of Kelly Engineering who's here this evening, one which was I believe dated

[Speaker 8] (32:54 - 33:09)
Uh, November the 18th and the other was, uh, was today, uh, in response first to the revisions and second to some questions that the board had raised preliminarily, uh, for which a response has been provided. Um,

[Speaker 8] (33:09 - 33:11)
they dealt with the pad la uh,

[Speaker 8] (33:11 - 33:13)
excuse me, the pad labels,

[Speaker 8] (33:13 - 33:16)
the dumpsters, the fence, and then there was a clarification issue.

[Speaker 8] (33:16 - 33:21)
Um, I sent those along and I hopefully you have them in your packets or received them today.

[Speaker 2] (33:21 - 33:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (33:23 - 33:26)
So, for the purpose of moving this through,

[Speaker 8] (33:26 - 33:29)
especially in light of the time constraints,

[Speaker 8] (33:30 - 33:37)
Mr Horsfield is here. He's here to describe the revisions and modifications as well as if you want to put the

[Speaker 1] (33:37 - 33:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (33:37 - 33:41)
site plan on the screen in case there's any specific questions,

[Speaker 8] (33:41 - 33:41)
he

[Speaker 4] (33:41 - 33:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (33:41 - 33:42)
can answer them for you.

[Speaker 8] (33:43 - 33:44)
Mr Horsfield.

[Speaker 8] (33:48 - 33:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (33:51 - 33:57)
In the interest of time, would it be better if if you guys had, 'cause the letter is pretty self-explanatory,

[Speaker 8] (33:57 - 34:03)
if you have questions, you can ask as opposed to having Garrett go through everything chapter and verse.

[Speaker 8] (34:04 - 34:06)
But it's your choice obviously.

[Speaker 1] (34:07 - 34:19)
Um I guess maybe I'll just just do any board members have any specific questions that they wanna address? Um if not, I might just take a minute. I didn't see the until just now, so I'm just gonna look.

[Speaker 2] (34:19 - 34:20)
Yeah, of course.

[Speaker 4] (34:21 - 34:32)
Right, and I do want to note that on the screen they did provide responses to some comments that the board and questions that you had, so those are included as well.

[Speaker 2] (34:34 - 34:35)
Thank you, Christa.

[Speaker 1] (35:06 - 35:12)
I guess on that note number nine clarification, maybe you could just talk to that. That was the main one that I was like you know just

[Speaker 1] (35:12 - 35:15)
Not even really concerned with, just a little confused about.

[Speaker 1] (35:15 - 35:21)
It sounds like everything's aligned with whatever was permitted for, but maybe you could just point out whatever was changing.

[Speaker 9] (35:21 - 35:23)
Certainly, for the record,

[Speaker 9] (35:23 - 35:25)
Garrett Horsefall with Kelly Engineering Group,

[Speaker 9] (35:25 - 35:27)
civil site engineer for the project.

[Speaker 9] (35:28 - 35:39)
So a lot of these changes can be summarized as general project development as these type of scale of projects advance with the architectural team.

[Speaker 9] (35:39 - 35:41)
team as well as the landscape architectural team.

[Speaker 9] (35:42 - 35:45)
So in terms of the plans being fully aligned for permitting,

[Speaker 9] (35:45 - 35:49)
our landscaping plans are fully in sync with the architectural plans.

[Speaker 9] (35:49 - 35:52)
There were just some minor door revisions.

[Speaker 9] (35:52 - 35:55)
The landscape exterior plazas have been modified.

[Speaker 9] (35:56 - 36:01)
But I think I noted in some of my responses that a lot of the critical setbacks, for reference,

[Speaker 9] (36:01 - 36:03)
the setback to Essex slash Loring,

[Speaker 9] (36:03 - 36:07)
that buffer has been maintained. That critical edge of the building did not shift.

[Speaker 9] (36:07 - 36:11)
There were just some architectural banding strips in the building.

[Speaker 9] (36:11 - 36:16)
built the facade, the building that had been represented in that red overline plan that has been submitted.

[Speaker 1] (36:19 - 36:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (36:26 - 36:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (36:26 - 36:27)
Anything?

[Speaker 5] (36:28 - 36:29)
These are hard to read.

[Speaker 5] (36:30 - 36:33)
Just the overlays are sort of confusing.

[Speaker 5] (36:33 - 36:35)
Everything looks like minor adjustments.

[Speaker 5] (36:36 - 36:37)
Um,

[Speaker 5] (36:37 - 36:46)
I would ask if if there is one that you like I'm I'm seeing that there's the addition of some parking,

[Speaker 5] (36:46 - 36:49)
which is great to see on the side here.

[Speaker 5] (36:49 - 36:51)
I'm assuming that's based on site.

[Speaker 5] (36:52 - 36:52)
discovery.

[Speaker 8] (36:54 - 37:01)
Look, when we're in the field every day we're trying to see how we can make this thing better and,

[Speaker 5] (37:01 - 37:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (37:02 - 37:12)
you know, once you're on the ground you get a feel for it and obviously I think everybody recognizes based on Sam Walker's opening that we're going to be parking challenged.

[Speaker 8] (37:13 - 37:18)
So we want to try and make sure that we could carve out every space,

[Speaker 5] (37:18 - 37:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (37:18 - 37:19)
keeping it as

[Speaker 10] (37:20 - 37:21)
Honest to what we're trying to accomplish.

[Speaker 5] (37:21 - 37:23)
But all of that seems great.

[Speaker 5] (37:23 - 37:25)
It seems like you made some discoveries in

[Speaker 10] (37:25 - 37:25)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (37:25 - 37:26)
the field

[Speaker 10] (37:26 - 37:26)
That's

[Speaker 5] (37:26 - 37:26)
that you're

[Speaker 10] (37:26 - 37:26)
Right. exactly what

[Speaker 5] (37:26 - 37:27)
allowed for it.

[Speaker 10] (37:27 - 37:28)
this is. That's exactly what this is.

[Speaker 5] (37:28 - 37:30)
So that's just why I...

[Speaker 10] (37:30 - 37:34)
You know, and adapting to the central tenets in the middle,

[Speaker 10] (37:34 - 37:35)
you know, exactly.

[Speaker 5] (37:35 - 37:42)
Just minor increase in building size between the two buildings, so it's not an impact.

[Speaker 5] (37:42 - 37:46)
Externally, some realignment of sidewalks.

[Speaker 5] (37:46 - 37:48)
based on discovery thing

[Speaker 2] (37:48 - 37:48)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (37:49 - 37:50)
I think the

[Speaker 5] (37:50 - 37:50)
yeah

[Speaker 8] (37:50 - 37:52)
word tweak would be the word,

[Speaker 8] (37:52 - 37:55)
but I couldn't find tweak in our vocabulary,

[Speaker 5] (37:55 - 37:55)
so

[Speaker 8] (37:55 - 37:56)
so I put modification.

[Speaker 5] (37:56 - 38:10)
I guess a one question is if you can just explain along the front of its it's I think it might be in front of lot c3

[Speaker 5] (38:11 - 38:12)
The changes at the sidewalk,

[Speaker 5] (38:13 - 38:15)
I'm just curious what they represent,

[Speaker 5] (38:15 - 38:18)
the red that's in there, because in plan it's not terribly clear.

[Speaker 9] (38:19 - 38:23)
So those are just landscape features within.

[Speaker 9] (38:24 - 38:26)
I think there'd be various turf plazas.

[Speaker 9] (38:27 - 38:30)
I believe that's right along the front of the shopping center you're referring to the question.

[Speaker 9] (38:30 - 38:31)
Yep,

[Speaker 9] (38:31 - 38:38)
so originally we just had some rough teardrop shapes and they've since been sort of refined teardrop shapes,

[Speaker 5] (38:38 - 38:38)
And

[Speaker 9] (38:38 - 38:38)
but

[Speaker 5] (38:38 - 38:41)
are those just cutouts or are they actual structures?

[Speaker 5] (38:41 - 38:42)
I can't tell from this

[Speaker 2] (38:42 - 38:42)
No.

[Speaker 5] (38:42 - 38:42)
if

[Speaker 9] (38:42 - 38:43)
I

[Speaker 5] (38:43 - 38:43)
that those

[Speaker 9] (38:43 - 38:47)
believe there's some low seating walls built into there.

[Speaker 9] (38:47 - 38:48)
I don't have the landscape art.

[Speaker 9] (38:48 - 38:52)
see if our texture plans are in front of me at the moment, but Andy may know as well, but.

[Speaker 10] (38:52 - 38:55)
Yeah, we have low seating walls,

[Speaker 10] (38:55 - 38:58)
you know, curved benches that are built in into

[Speaker 9] (38:58 - 38:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (38:58 - 38:59)
it, that

[Speaker 5] (38:59 - 39:00)
That's what I was assuming they were,

[Speaker 10] (39:00 - 39:00)
are

[Speaker 5] (39:00 - 39:01)
but they're just

[Speaker 10] (39:01 - 39:01)
down.

[Speaker 5] (39:01 - 39:11)
they're they're simple enough lines that I just want to make sure and then I'm assuming the areas that are on page C07

[Speaker 5] (39:13 - 39:29)
Back near the rear of the grocery store and that whole entrance that that's a functional realignment based on.

[Speaker 1] (39:30 - 39:33)
vehicular access and dumpster pickup and all of that.

[Speaker 9] (39:33 - 39:33)
Correct.

[Speaker 9] (39:33 - 39:35)
We had a meeting with Stop and Shop.

[Speaker 9] (39:35 - 39:44)
We verified all their access that was required of it, and we also coordinated with the city of Salem for that curb cut onto Loring. So those are the final results of.

[Speaker 2] (39:47 - 39:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (39:48 - 39:49)
Okay, and

[Speaker 2] (39:49 - 39:50)
Very good.

[Speaker 3] (39:50 - 39:54)
I can see these corrections have been made over here.

[Speaker 2] (39:55 - 39:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (39:55 - 39:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (39:57 - 40:00)
Anyone from the public? Is there a comment or online?

[Speaker 4] (40:04 - 40:15)
I guess, Mr. Chairman, what we're asking is that the decision now reflect a new new site plan as opposed to the old one because ultimately it's going to be built based upon the revised

[Speaker 2] (40:15 - 40:15)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (40:15 - 40:23)
plan and we don't want there to be any misunderstanding of anyone who does any research at the registry which plan is the plan of record.

[Speaker 2] (40:23 - 40:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (40:25 - 40:27)
Just an an amendment to the existing

[Speaker 4] (40:27 - 40:27)
That's

[Speaker 2] (40:27 - 40:27)
what you

[Speaker 4] (40:27 - 40:28)
exactly right.

[Speaker 2] (40:28 - 40:28)
said.

[Speaker 4] (40:28 - 40:28)
That's correct.

[Speaker 2] (40:28 - 40:28)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (40:28 - 40:29)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (40:29 - 40:29)
yep.

[Speaker 4] (40:29 - 40:33)
Just instead of saying as per a certain plan submitted on certain days,

[Speaker 3] (40:33 - 40:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (40:33 - 40:37)
it would be these new plans submitted on such a date as approved,

[Speaker 4] (40:37 - 40:38)
assuming the board approves them,

[Speaker 2] (40:38 - 40:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (40:38 - 40:40)
and the

[Speaker 3] (40:40 - 40:42)
What was that date they were submitted?

[Speaker 4] (40:42 - 40:48)
only other thing that we submitted was the, there was a question about the dumpster screening and we submitted that as well.

[Speaker 2] (40:48 - 40:50)
Yep, yep, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (40:51 - 40:51)
Um

[Speaker 3] (40:51 - 40:53)
Okay. I don't have anything else.

[Speaker 2] (40:54 - 40:55)
Yeah, you know, okay.

[Speaker 2] (40:56 - 40:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (40:56 - 40:57)
Did you have anything else?

[Speaker 2] (40:58 - 40:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (40:59 - 41:04)
Can we make a motion to approve the site plan as amended?

[Speaker 4] (41:06 - 41:10)
Is the same thing of a date on it so we can reference the dates so it would be easily

[Speaker 3] (41:10 - 41:17)
We could say it as approved at the Planning Board meeting of January 12,

[Speaker 3] (41:18 - 41:19)
2026.

[Speaker 4] (41:19 - 41:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (41:19 - 41:22)
I think what you're asking for, though, is the date of the

[Speaker 4] (41:22 - 41:23)
Right, right.

[Speaker 2] (41:23 - 41:26)
per town comments dated.

[Speaker 5] (41:27 - 41:29)
0 1 0 6 2.25.

[Speaker 1] (41:29 - 41:31)
The latest the latest date on

[Speaker 3] (41:31 - 41:31)
the 26.

[Speaker 1] (41:31 - 41:44)
plan submitted with this request is December 1st 2025 revision five updated plan of record so December 1st 2000 25

[Speaker 3] (41:44 - 41:45)
25.

[Speaker 1] (41:45 - 41:46)
would be the updated

[Speaker 3] (41:46 - 41:46)
And

[Speaker 1] (41:46 - 41:46)
plan

[Speaker 3] (41:46 - 41:48)
as approved by the Planning Board on January

[Speaker 2] (41:48 - 41:48)
Projected

[Speaker 3] (41:48 - 41:49)
12,

[Speaker 2] (41:49 - 41:49)
date.

[Speaker 3] (41:49 - 41:50)
2026.

[Speaker 5] (41:50 - 41:52)
Oh. Well, but

[Speaker 2] (41:52 - 41:52)
I mean

[Speaker 5] (41:52 - 41:53)
that's not on this drawing.

[Speaker 3] (41:54 - 41:57)
Well, but this is the plan we're approving tonight,

[Speaker 3] (41:57 - 41:58)
so.

[Speaker 4] (41:59 - 42:00)
Isn't that the most

[Speaker 2] (42:00 - 42:00)
I

[Speaker 4] (42:00 - 42:00)
important?

[Speaker 2] (42:00 - 42:03)
think what we're saying is that we are amending the plans approved on January 13th,

[Speaker 3] (42:03 - 42:03)
Right. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (42:03 - 42:04)
2025,

[Speaker 3] (42:04 - 42:05)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (42:05 - 42:05)
today.

[Speaker 3] (42:05 - 42:06)
We're approving it right.

[Speaker 6] (42:07 - 42:07)
The original

[Speaker 3] (42:07 - 42:11)
Okay. Amended on that date, but we approved it on this date. Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (42:11 - 42:13)
The plans approved on that date are being amended

[Speaker 3] (42:13 - 42:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (42:13 - 42:15)
by the plans approved tonight.

[Speaker 3] (42:15 - 42:15)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (42:15 - 42:16)
Okay. Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (42:16 - 42:16)
I

[Speaker 3] (42:16 - 42:16)
So the

[Speaker 2] (42:16 - 42:16)
thought

[Speaker 3] (42:16 - 42:16)
Christine

[Speaker 2] (42:16 - 42:17)
you were asking

[Speaker 3] (42:17 - 42:17)
you have that.

[Speaker 2] (42:17 - 42:21)
for verification that it was on this drawing.

[Speaker 4] (42:21 - 42:23)
Oh, no, I just wanted it to be clear

[Speaker 3] (42:23 - 42:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (42:23 - 42:26)
that the plans that were approved.

[Speaker 4] (42:26 - 42:27)
proved, so

[Speaker 2] (42:27 - 42:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (42:27 - 42:27)
there wouldn't be any

[Speaker 3] (42:27 - 42:27)
I get

[Speaker 4] (42:27 - 42:27)
any

[Speaker 3] (42:27 - 42:28)
it.

[Speaker 4] (42:28 - 42:29)
misunderstanding.

[Speaker 2] (42:29 - 42:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (42:29 - 42:30)
Understood.

[Speaker 3] (42:30 - 42:32)
So Carissa, is that clear?

[Speaker 3] (42:33 - 42:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (42:34 - 42:35)
So that's the motion.

[Speaker 2] (42:36 - 42:38)
Okay. Should we say it one more time?

[Speaker 3] (42:38 - 42:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (42:39 - 42:41)
I'm going to go back.

[Speaker 1] (42:41 - 42:44)
So right now, the plans that we have in front of us,

[Speaker 1] (42:44 - 42:48)
the revision has not been added to these plans.

[Speaker 4] (42:49 - 42:50)
It it it has.

[Speaker 1] (42:51 - 42:52)
I just want to clarify a couple things.

[Speaker 1] (42:53 - 42:56)
So I think the red line overlay that's in front of you is more of an exhibit.

[Speaker 1] (42:57 - 42:59)
In the record set,

[Speaker 1] (42:59 - 43:05)
there was a stamped overall layout plan submitted updating that sheet.

[Speaker 2] (43:06 - 43:08)
Okay. So we need the date off of that.

[Speaker 1] (43:08 - 43:14)
Yep, that's the December 1st, 2025 revision date of that plan set. So I read,

[Speaker 2] (43:14 - 43:14)
Okay, that's

[Speaker 1] (43:14 - 43:15)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (43:15 - 43:16)
the one that will be signing.

[Speaker 1] (43:16 - 43:16)
yep,

[Speaker 3] (43:16 - 43:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (43:16 - 43:17)
correct.

[Speaker 2] (43:17 - 43:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (43:17 - 43:17)
The red line overlay

[Speaker 2] (43:17 - 43:18)
I think we

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:18)
in

[Speaker 2] (43:18 - 43:18)
can front have.

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:28)
of us right now. The red line overlay in front of you as you picked up on is what the board approved last time and we have ghosted into the background in red the changes to show for clarity for exhibit purposes.

[Speaker 2] (43:28 - 43:28)
Very good.

[Speaker 3] (43:28 - 43:32)
Okay, so then I'm going to move that we vote.

[Speaker 3] (43:32 - 43:44)
vote to approve um the site plan as amended, as mended on December first twenty twenty five and approved by the planning board tonight, January twelfth.

[Speaker 2] (43:45 - 43:46)
Is there a second?

[Speaker 7] (43:47 - 43:48)
So do we care when it was amended?

[Speaker 7] (43:49 - 43:50)
This is when it starts,

[Speaker 3] (43:50 - 43:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (43:50 - 43:50)
right?

[Speaker 3] (43:50 - 43:56)
because that that's what identifies the plan that has the overlay on it, this this change.

[Speaker 7] (43:56 - 43:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (43:56 - 43:57)
That's the date of the plan.

[Speaker 7] (43:57 - 43:57)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 5] (43:57 - 43:57)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (43:57 - 43:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (43:58 - 43:59)
Right. A second.

[Speaker 2] (43:59 - 44:00)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (44:00 - 44:01)
Um, all those in favour?

[Speaker 7] (44:02 - 44:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (44:02 - 44:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (44:02 - 44:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (44:03 - 44:03)
Thank you

[Speaker 7] (44:03 - 44:04)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (44:04 - 44:04)
very

[Speaker 7] (44:04 - 44:04)
you very much. much.

[Speaker 3] (44:04 - 44:05)
Sure. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (44:05 - 44:06)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (44:07 - 44:08)
Looking good over there.

[Speaker 3] (44:09 - 44:10)
Huh?

[Speaker 4] (44:10 - 44:11)
Do we do that within our allotted

[Speaker 3] (44:11 - 44:11)
You

[Speaker 4] (44:11 - 44:11)
time?

[Speaker 3] (44:11 - 44:13)
did. You did a great job.

[Speaker 3] (44:13 - 44:14)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (44:14 - 44:14)
No problem.

[Speaker 7] (44:14 - 44:15)
All right, I can't talk.

[Speaker 2] (44:24 - 44:43)
Um alright. Next on the agenda is application twenty six dash one, um eleven Pine Hill Road uh by Michael Kalpin uh requesting a site plan special permit to partially demolish the existing single family home and rebuild a new a new single family home uh at eleven Pine Hill Road.

[Speaker 3] (44:46 - 44:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (44:58 - 45:04)
Yeah, so um I purchased my grandparent my grandma's house and

[Speaker 2] (45:04 - 45:06)
Mike, would you mind just introducing yourself? I'm sorry.

[Speaker 8] (45:06 - 45:10)
Oh, sorry. So I'm Michael Caplan. I'm the homeowner. There's my wife Megan.

[Speaker 8] (45:11 - 45:15)
We recently purchased 11 Pine Hill Road from my grandmother and

[Speaker 3] (45:15 - 45:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (45:15 - 45:21)
are looking to renovate it and add on to it to uh move our family into.

[Speaker 3] (45:21 - 45:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (45:22 - 45:23)
So

[Speaker 8] (45:24 - 45:35)
Um as you can see there's no setbacks or we're within all the setbacks, we're not trying to expand the footprint, we're gonna go up on the existi uh existing foundation

[Speaker 8] (45:35 - 45:40)
and leave the existing garage, um tear down the

[Speaker 3] (45:41 - 45:41)
Yeah, makes sense.

[Speaker 8] (45:41 - 45:49)
first floor of the living space and rebuild in kind with uh some new windows and then go up over the garage and the first floor.

[Speaker 3] (46:03 - 46:05)
Here at home, how many bedrooms does it have in it?

[Speaker 8] (46:06 - 46:11)
It's currently a two-bed, two-bath, and it will be a four-bed, two

[Speaker 3] (46:11 - 46:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (46:13 - 46:14)
half-baths, two half-baths.

[Speaker 3] (46:15 - 46:19)
And are you aware of the INI fee that we have for the additional bedrooms?

[Speaker 9] (46:53 - 47:21)
I will um chime in and just let let you all know um as the board that discussions that happened earlier between the applicant and I um surrounded what determines a complete application um so this revised application in front of you includes um architecturals of the existing um like this rendering in front of you that they submitted today um I think that

[Speaker 9] (47:22 - 47:31)
You know, Jer, I saw that you submitted some thoughts as well, and we might have a discussion right now on what the requirements are for a complete application,

[Speaker 9] (47:31 - 47:32)
um so we can move forward.

[Speaker 2] (47:34 - 47:42)
Yeah, that's a good point. Um I th I you know if it works for the board, I think we should probably still have a discussion and go

[Speaker 3] (47:42 - 47:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (47:42 - 47:43)
through, um

[Speaker 1] (47:43 - 47:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (47:43 - 47:55)
you know, I think that's only fair, but um yeah there might be some missing elements from the petition and we'll want to make sure that those are there, you know, um probably before anything's approved. But

[Speaker 1] (47:55 - 47:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (47:55 - 47:57)
what do you do you tell us?

[Speaker 2] (47:58 - 48:01)
So I'm not sure I can address this specifically which one which

[Speaker 3] (48:01 - 48:06)
I can go ahead why don't you go ahead and explain Kristen unless you'd like me to.

[Speaker 9] (48:07 - 48:09)
So it was the side by side existing and proposed.

[Speaker 9] (48:11 - 48:14)
It's a little bit unusual the perspectives that we received.

[Speaker 9] (48:14 - 48:23)
You know they're not detailed by detail what is existing compared to what's proposed. It's more of these sketch like drawings and

[Speaker 9] (48:26 - 48:35)
I know that there was also comment about maybe the detail required for the the interior spaces as well for the architectural s

[Speaker 3] (48:35 - 48:35)
Right

[Speaker 9] (48:35 - 48:40)
so that's just you potentially things that we could discuss for completeness.

[Speaker 2] (48:40 - 48:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (48:42 - 48:45)
Any like examples that we can pro provide probably,

[Speaker 2] (48:45 - 48:46)
right? Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (48:46 - 49:07)
We do. We do. And in fact, I think we have some applications that I've probably mentioned in the past are like really good textbook examples of what we'd like to see even though some of those are, you know, different than this. You know, essentially what we want to look at is the plot plan with all of the abutting properties.

[Speaker 3] (49:08 - 49:16)
indicating the distance between the closest contact points, if you will, of your property and the neighbour to,

[Speaker 2] (49:16 - 49:17)
point

[Speaker 3] (49:17 - 49:18)
you know, in each direction.

[Speaker 3] (49:19 - 49:27)
And you do have, you do have some of that. I mean, it's a little broken up, but I mean it certainly is, is readable for us.

[Speaker 3] (49:29 - 49:39)
The other piece of it would be, and you do have sort of a plot plan of the existing home and then you have a kind of a diagram of what

[Speaker 1] (50:03 - 50:31)
be a sketch like this but it has to be to scale and side by side so here's my existing here's what's here this is what I want to build on the same page and then you kind of show it from different angles and then you go through the existing building showing all of the elevations all the dimensions and height and so forth and and width and then you go through the floor plan of the existing building showing exactly kind of what's there

[Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:34)
there. If it's, you know, kind of simple,

[Speaker 1] (50:34 - 50:41)
sometimes you can overlay the new floor plan on top of the existing to show what's changing.

[Speaker 1] (50:42 - 50:42)
That's very helpful.

[Speaker 1] (50:43 - 50:49)
But then you also want a set of plans that shows elevations of the proposed new structure

[Speaker 1] (50:50 - 50:58)
with, you know, obviously heights and so forth and which you have, you've added the elevations there which is very helpful.

[Speaker 1] (50:58 - 51:11)
and you also want to show each floor plan and in the floor plans you should be identifying every room that's in there and just but and for the most part I think that's that's pretty you know legible on your plan

[Speaker 1] (51:14 - 51:18)
On the plot plan, you know, it's pretty easy to get a grading example.

[Speaker 1] (51:18 - 51:19)
I mean, a lot of these lots,

[Speaker 1] (51:19 - 51:23)
your lot might be completely flat or it might drop off on one side.

[Speaker 1] (51:23 - 51:30)
So it's always important for us to know like if there's, you know, if there's something unusual about the grading,

[Speaker 1] (51:30 - 51:38)
typically we'll ask for a grading plan so it can be understood if there are going to be changes and assuming that you might,

[Speaker 1] (51:38 - 51:40)
you know, change electrical and could have an old heating system.

[Speaker 1] (51:40 - 52:00)
system stuff like that so we'll understand what kind of connections you might need to the street you've already got sewer and so forth but it helps us put a bigger picture together on a site plan like this you can include the landscaping plan right on that site plan so you don't have to do a separate plan for landscaping

[Speaker 1] (52:01 - 52:03)
But what we'd be most interested in is,

[Speaker 1] (52:03 - 52:08)
for example, you've got sort of what looks like a specimen tree on part of that lawn,

[Speaker 1] (52:08 - 52:16)
you know, we'd want to know is that coming down, if we'd want you to try to preserve as many trees that have six caliber bases and greater.

[Speaker 1] (52:17 - 52:19)
And we'd be interested in knowing any other,

[Speaker 1] (52:19 - 52:25)
you know, landscaping changes that you're making and to that end we want to know the overall,

[Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:28)
make sure you're still in compliance with your open space.

[Speaker 1] (52:30 - 52:54)
uh uh responsibilities in terms of the percentage of the property that remains open space and when we say open space that never includes anything paved whether it's the pebbles you know cobblestones or blacktop open spaces where something green is growing basically so that's the way we we calculate that um so those are the those are the main points

[Speaker 2] (52:56 - 52:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (52:57 - 53:01)
So aren't all of those covered here in some form or another?

[Speaker 1] (53:01 - 53:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (53:01 - 53:03)
Right. Yeah, so I

[Speaker 1] (53:03 - 53:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (53:03 - 53:15)
The question is, with what is presented to you tonight, do you feel that the application is complete enough? And if so, then you know, you could make a motion and move forward. And so it's the board.

[Speaker 2] (53:17 - 53:20)
Some of the questions I posed tonight were actually um

[Speaker 2] (53:20 - 53:29)
They're sort of a board question. I'm I'm the newest member on here so I'm I'm not exactly sure how strictly we follow what the drawing requirements are.

[Speaker 1] (53:29 - 53:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (53:29 - 53:39)
Um these images that were submitted as elevations aren't actually elevations. Um they're supposed to be elevations in scale with the um

[Speaker 1] (53:39 - 53:40)
Floor plans.

[Speaker 2] (53:40 - 53:42)
with the the new

[Speaker 2] (53:42 - 53:50)
The existing and the new and these are actually from photographs that have been digitized and they're an elevation is flat.

[Speaker 2] (53:50 - 53:51)
It's not

[Speaker 3] (53:51 - 53:51)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (53:51 - 53:51)
a yeah.

[Speaker 5] (53:51 - 53:52)
Yeah, we

[Speaker 2] (53:52 - 53:52)
Yeah, it's not

[Speaker 5] (53:52 - 53:52)
were

[Speaker 3] (53:52 - 53:52)
a three

[Speaker 5] (53:52 - 53:52)
informed

[Speaker 2] (53:52 - 53:53)
-dimensional

[Speaker 3] (53:53 - 53:53)
dimensions.

[Speaker 2] (53:53 - 53:53)
perspective.

[Speaker 5] (53:53 - 53:54)
of this this morning that we need

[Speaker 2] (53:54 - 53:55)
Yeah, no,

[Speaker 2] (53:55 - 53:56)
no, no, that's fine.

[Speaker 5] (53:56 - 53:56)
Okay, I'm

[Speaker 2] (53:56 - 53:57)
But

[Speaker 5] (53:57 - 53:57)
just that's like,

[Speaker 2] (53:57 - 54:00)
why I'm wondering if we can accept it because

[Speaker 5] (54:00 - 54:00)
understood.

[Speaker 2] (54:00 - 54:02)
of what the guidelines

[Speaker 5] (54:02 - 54:02)
Understood.

[Speaker 2] (54:02 - 54:02)
are.

[Speaker 5] (54:02 - 54:08)
I just feel like we're, this is like our family home. We have a lot of money tied up

[Speaker 2] (54:08 - 54:08)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (54:08 - 54:08)
here

[Speaker 2] (54:08 - 54:09)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (54:09 - 54:09)
and like

[Speaker 5] (54:10 - 54:13)
I felt as though we were.

[Speaker 5] (54:14 - 54:16)
we had given everything we needed and

[Speaker 2] (54:17 - 54:19)
Well, that's what but we need to make sure yeah that what

[Speaker 1] (54:19 - 54:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (54:19 - 54:20)
we're doing though is

[Speaker 1] (54:20 - 54:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (54:20 - 54:24)
aligning with what the bylaws are asking us to do so please don't don't

[Speaker 1] (54:24 - 54:24)
Yeah, think this

[Speaker 2] (54:24 - 54:24)
of it

[Speaker 1] (54:24 - 54:24)
isn't

[Speaker 2] (54:24 - 54:25)
as a personal

[Speaker 1] (54:25 - 54:25)
ours, right,

[Speaker 2] (54:25 - 54:25)
thing

[Speaker 1] (54:25 - 54:30)
it's not personal judgment. This is just what we have to, you know, basically what we

[Speaker 2] (54:30 - 54:30)
Like

[Speaker 1] (54:30 - 54:30)
have.

[Speaker 2] (54:30 - 54:33)
can we can we gather enough enough information from what we have?

[Speaker 2] (54:34 - 54:41)
And being new on this I I don't have that answer and that's that's why I was I was posing it this afternoon this afternoon when the

[Speaker 2] (54:42 - 54:59)
the uh the drawings came in. The other thing um is that we do ask for is an elevation that includes the houses next door. And especially when a building is increasing in height, uh we wanna make sure that there's documentation that it's it's in proportion with what's what's happening.

[Speaker 2] (55:00 - 55:03)
on either side of it and not necessarily negatively impacting that.

[Speaker 2] (55:04 - 55:11)
One question that I did want to ask was regarding the bulkhead. Is the current bulkhead a traditional, there's

[Speaker 6] (55:11 - 55:13)
There is no bulkhead right now.

[Speaker 2] (55:13 - 55:13)
no bulkhead

[Speaker 6] (55:13 - 55:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (55:13 - 55:14)
at all.

[Speaker 2] (55:14 - 55:14)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (55:14 - 55:15)
That's

[Speaker 2] (55:15 - 55:15)
because

[Speaker 6] (55:15 - 55:15)
why.

[Speaker 2] (55:15 - 55:17)
that one piece there,

[Speaker 2] (55:17 - 55:23)
we need to actually look at that because this is moving outside of the footprint.

[Speaker 6] (55:23 - 55:24)
It's yeah.

[Speaker 2] (55:24 - 55:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (55:24 - 55:24)
But

[Speaker 2] (55:24 - 55:25)
so we have it's to look

[Speaker 6] (55:25 - 55:25)
still

[Speaker 2] (55:25 - 55:25)
at

[Speaker 6] (55:25 - 55:25)
within

[Speaker 2] (55:25 - 55:25)
that as

[Speaker 6] (55:25 - 55:26)
the setbacks.

[Speaker 2] (55:26 - 55:26)
a...

[Speaker 2] (55:27 - 55:27)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (55:27 - 55:27)
It

[Speaker 2] (55:27 - 55:27)
-hmm,

[Speaker 6] (55:27 - 55:30)
doesn't it doesn't encroach on yeah,

[Speaker 2] (55:30 - 55:35)
but it's still it's a it's a change and we have to like watch that a little bit because I know that this was

[Speaker 2] (55:36 - 55:38)
Is proposed as something that's not changing the footprint.

[Speaker 2] (55:39 - 55:40)
So I just want to make sure we're not changing the footprint

[Speaker 6] (55:40 - 55:41)
Yeah, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (55:41 - 55:44)
Because it looks like a structure from the front elevation.

[Speaker 2] (55:44 - 55:45)
It's a full story.

[Speaker 2] (55:45 - 55:46)
So I

[Speaker 6] (55:46 - 55:52)
yeah, I mean, I'd be fine with a metal bulkhead if that's more amenable I guess

[Speaker 2] (55:53 - 55:55)
that's I would defer because I

[Speaker 2] (55:56 - 56:05)
I'm again it's it's a reason I'm asking the question is when I when I saw that in comparison it didn't exist in the other drawing I was reading it off of the what we initially had.

[Speaker 2] (56:08 - 56:21)
And then the the the question that I have for the board also is the interior is incomplete in the sense that lots of things are labeled but I'm assuming that the homework room in the pantry is in front of the kitchen.

[Speaker 2] (56:22 - 56:26)
So we're talking a kitchen and a living room here on this first floor plan.

[Speaker 6] (56:29 - 56:29)
Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (56:30 - 56:30)
That's all right.

[Speaker 1] (56:37 - 56:38)
So, um,

[Speaker 1] (56:40 - 56:48)
the other reason that you'll want to have a fully flushed out set of plans,

[Speaker 1] (56:48 - 56:49)
um,

[Speaker 1] (56:51 - 56:57)
Is that once after the project is built,

[Speaker 1] (56:57 - 56:58)
you have to submit an as-built to

[Speaker 6] (56:58 - 56:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (56:59 - 57:00)
the building inspector,

[Speaker 1] (57:00 - 57:06)
and then he confirms that what you built is actually what you were permitted.

[Speaker 1] (57:06 - 57:07)
And typically,

[Speaker 1] (57:07 - 57:07)
he,

[Speaker 1] (57:08 - 57:10)
you know, probably do that before everything's finished.

[Speaker 1] (57:10 - 57:14)
In the event there was some, you know, glaring error,

[Speaker 1] (57:14 - 57:15)
which...

[Speaker 1] (57:15 - 57:17)
To my knowledge it hasn't happened,

[Speaker 1] (57:17 - 57:21)
but that is another requirement.

[Speaker 1] (57:21 - 57:28)
So the instructions for submitting site plan are, you know, on the website,

[Speaker 1] (57:28 - 57:30)
but you know, you're not alone.

[Speaker 1] (57:30 - 57:32)
It gets missed sometimes,

[Speaker 1] (57:32 - 57:32)
so.

[Speaker 6] (57:33 - 57:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (57:34 - 57:35)
And it's definitely,

[Speaker 1] (57:35 - 57:37)
you know, certainly nothing,

[Speaker 1] (57:37 - 57:38)
it's not your fault.

[Speaker 1] (57:40 - 57:43)
Okay, so it's actually not on the website.

[Speaker 1] (57:44 - 57:45)
I'm sorry?

[Speaker 5] (57:45 - 57:51)
The website's incorrect. There's so much outdated information on the website, it's improp yeah, yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (57:54 - 57:56)
So what do we want to do here? Um

[Speaker 2] (57:57 - 57:58)
Well

[Speaker 3] (57:59 - 58:04)
So I still am trying to get my arms around what's missing. Like we've got maybe

[Speaker 1] (58:04 - 58:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (58:04 - 58:07)
a label on kitchen but it's obviously next to the pantry.

[Speaker 1] (58:07 - 58:07)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (58:07 - 58:11)
Well, that's that and the question that I had, again, this is a board question.

[Speaker 2] (58:11 - 58:14)
There's a submission of layout.

[Speaker 2] (58:14 - 58:18)
I personally don't think that that's of great importance.

[Speaker 2] (58:18 - 58:22)
But I'm just not sure that as a planning board, when we approve something,

[Speaker 2] (58:22 - 58:28)
there's there's some areas that I've got concerns about your alignment with walls structurally.

[Speaker 2] (58:29 - 58:33)
Have you had an engineer go through this? Okay.

[Speaker 2] (58:33 - 58:44)
Just the supporting of you're pulling the wall in over the garage on the second floor so there's it's not aligning if that's all stuff that you've figured out.

[Speaker 6] (58:44 - 58:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (58:44 - 58:47)
There's a few moves in here that concern me.

[Speaker 2] (58:47 - 58:51)
You don't have sufficient roof structure on your porches.

[Speaker 2] (58:52 - 58:54)
They're shown at a thickness that

[Speaker 2] (58:55 - 58:55)
Would

[Speaker 6] (58:55 - 58:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (58:56 - 59:02)
be problematic. So there's a number of things, but what I'm concerned because I can look at this and see them,

[Speaker 2] (59:02 - 59:06)
but if we approve things,

[Speaker 2] (59:07 - 59:11)
I'm assuming that would land under the building inspector, not us.

[Speaker 2] (59:11 - 59:14)
So for what we're looking at,

[Speaker 2] (59:14 - 59:15)
it really would be,

[Speaker 2] (59:15 - 59:21)
I think the main thing that's missing is it in the streetscape based on its size.

[Speaker 2] (59:24 - 59:26)
The front elevation showing adjacent properties.

[Speaker 1] (59:26 - 59:29)
Yeah, I'm not because it's within the zoning requirements.

[Speaker 2] (59:30 - 59:30)
You're not worried

[Speaker 1] (59:30 - 59:30)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (59:30 - 59:31)
about that?

[Speaker 1] (59:31 - 59:31)
not

[Speaker 3] (59:31 - 59:31)
It's

[Speaker 1] (59:31 - 59:31)
worried about

[Speaker 3] (59:31 - 59:31)
still less

[Speaker 1] (59:31 - 59:32)
that.

[Speaker 3] (59:32 - 59:33)
than 28,

[Speaker 1] (59:33 - 59:34)
right? Yeah, and it's still quite.

[Speaker 1] (59:41 - 59:47)
You know, this is, this kind of a ranch home was around Pine Hill Walnut, that area,

[Speaker 1] (59:47 - 59:49)
those are very common.

[Speaker 2] (59:49 - 59:49)
So,

[Speaker 1] (59:49 - 59:49)
I mean, common

[Speaker 2] (59:49 - 59:50)
do you

[Speaker 1] (59:50 - 59:51)
in the, in the Shah.

[Speaker 2] (59:51 - 59:53)
feel that what we do have, we can?

[Speaker 1] (59:54 - 59:57)
I think we can. I think what, you know, the, the, the

[Speaker 1] (59:58 - 1:00:12)
The staging of when they were submitted is is you know, usually off the schedule even though this overall the application was submitted in a timely fashion So the details that we needed have been added

[Speaker 1] (1:00:13 - 1:00:20)
It's my opinion that because I see this as a relatively simple build out

[Speaker 1] (1:00:21 - 1:00:29)
That I don't have concerns about approving it and the fact that there are no dimensional,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:29 - 1:00:32)
there is no dimensional relief that's needed.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:32 - 1:00:33)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:00:33 - 1:00:39)
We're needed. using the identical footprint that it, it's fully within the zoning.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:41 - 1:00:53)
uh allowances for the area that it you know where the landscaping is essentially not changing um it's just you know they're expanding

[Speaker 2] (1:00:53 - 1:00:53)
I think

[Speaker 1] (1:00:53 - 1:00:53)
the

[Speaker 2] (1:00:53 - 1:00:53)
that's

[Speaker 1] (1:00:53 - 1:00:54)
homes yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:00:54 - 1:00:55)
a good point,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:55 - 1:00:55)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:55 - 1:01:00)
We're here because it's, what, a 2,000 square foot total addition?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:00 - 1:01:01)
Is that what it is?

[Speaker 3] (1:01:02 - 1:01:04)
It's a little less than that. It's like a 1,400 square

[Speaker 2] (1:01:04 - 1:01:05)
1

[Speaker 3] (1:01:05 - 1:01:05)
foot

[Speaker 2] (1:01:05 - 1:01:05)
,400.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:05 - 1:01:05)
attic.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:05 - 1:01:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:05 - 1:01:07)
so it still crosses the...

[Speaker 2] (1:01:07 - 1:01:07)
I think the threshold.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:07 - 1:01:08)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:01:08 - 1:01:08)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:01:08 - 1:01:08)
crossing

[Speaker 2] (1:01:08 - 1:01:08)
why we're

[Speaker 1] (1:01:08 - 1:01:08)
the

[Speaker 2] (1:01:08 - 1:01:08)
here.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:08 - 1:01:09)
threshold, but it's not

[Speaker 2] (1:01:09 - 1:01:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:10 - 1:01:11)
the footprint doesn't change

[Speaker 2] (1:01:11 - 1:01:11)
And so

[Speaker 1] (1:01:11 - 1:01:11)
of the the house,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:11 - 1:01:12)
footprint isn't

[Speaker 1] (1:01:12 - 1:01:12)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:12 - 1:01:12)
changing.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:13 - 1:01:15)
Aside from that, like

[Speaker 4] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
Aside from

[Speaker 3] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
adding

[Speaker 4] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
that.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:15 - 1:01:16)
a bulkhead sort

[Speaker 2] (1:01:16 - 1:01:17)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:17 - 1:01:17)
of like an access

[Speaker 2] (1:01:17 - 1:01:17)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:17 - 1:01:18)
space basically.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:18 - 1:01:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:18 - 1:01:18)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:18 - 1:01:19)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:19 - 1:01:21)
so that but and dimensionally

[Speaker 2] (1:01:21 - 1:01:22)
And if that's within setbacks.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:22 - 1:01:30)
if the setbacks aren't moving, it's dimensionally in terms of height and every other way we're not changing driveways and I mean in fact you're using the same.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:31 - 1:01:31)
driveways

[Speaker 2] (1:01:31 - 1:01:32)
The same

[Speaker 1] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
they have

[Speaker 2] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
garage

[Speaker 3] (1:01:32 - 1:01:34)
we're going to repave it, but it's going to be the same.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:34 - 1:01:59)
okay and you know no landscapes being reduced I mean I just you know essentially I mean I think what we were getting at was essentially that the process was our process was out of sync with this even though you ended up supplying us with what we needed tonight it's just and because this you know was substantially complete when you submitted it

[Speaker 1] (1:01:59 - 1:02:02)
I personally don't have a problem with,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:02 - 1:02:11)
I mean, I don't see what else I need to, if I saw it any differently next month, it's not going to change my, how I would vote on it right now,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:11 - 1:02:11)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:02:11 - 1:02:12)
put

[Speaker 2] (1:02:12 - 1:02:12)
hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:12 - 1:02:13)
it that way.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:13 - 1:02:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:14 - 1:02:14)
So that's

[Speaker 2] (1:02:14 - 1:02:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
and my question

[Speaker 1] (1:02:15 - 1:02:16)
how I feel.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:16 - 1:02:21)
were on this really specific to how exacting are we in.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:22 - 1:02:23)
In what is supposed to be submitted.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:23 - 1:02:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:24 - 1:02:28)
And I would say to you that this is a circumstance where we are,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:29 - 1:02:43)
it's so precise in terms of adding a second floor and an existing footprint and being well within the zoning compliance for everything, for use, for height, for all of it, for,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:43 - 1:02:45)
you know, that it's just,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:46 - 1:02:48)
it does nothing but improve the...

[Speaker 1] (1:02:50 - 1:02:58)
the site and there is no detrimental aspect to it and it is you know it is you

[Speaker 1] (1:02:59 - 1:03:04)
know I just because of that I don't have a problem with getting the dimensional piece of it yes

[Speaker 5] (1:03:04 - 1:03:11)
Right. I also want to chime in and say that the historic commission determined that this does not need a public meeting or historic approval.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:11 - 1:03:12)
This but

[Speaker 2] (1:03:12 - 1:03:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:12 - 1:03:13)
Pine Hill right

[Speaker 5] (1:03:13 - 1:03:14)
Yep, it doesn't.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:14 - 1:03:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:15 - 1:03:18)
The original is nineteen fifty six.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:19 - 1:03:19)
52.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:19 - 1:03:20)
What?

[Speaker 5] (1:03:20 - 1:03:21)
It's 74 years old.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:21 - 1:03:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:22 - 1:03:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:22 - 1:03:22)
Rich.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:22 - 1:03:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:22 - 1:03:23)
Good timing.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:23 - 1:03:25)
Rich had informed me today that, is

[Speaker 1] (1:03:25 - 1:03:26)
Oh, cheese.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:26 - 1:03:29)
it John Liebman?

[Speaker 1] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30)
Jonathan.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:30 - 1:03:31)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
Jonathan.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:31 - 1:03:36)
they they when they researched it it was built in 1952 not 1950

[Speaker 1] (1:03:36 - 1:03:53)
There are some of those buildings out on Walnut Street which you're probably familiar that kind of a little group of them that are kind of a very distinct mid-century style they're a little different but that's not this yeah this I wouldn't be concerned about so my feeling is that

[Speaker 1] (1:03:54 - 1:03:56)
You know, I would make a motion to approve site plan

[Speaker 3] (1:03:56 - 1:03:56)
Should

[Speaker 1] (1:03:56 - 1:03:56)
special you permit.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:56 - 1:03:58)
just, I'll put it up for public

[Speaker 2] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58)
To comment.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58)
Oh, pardon

[Speaker 2] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58)
comment?

[Speaker 3] (1:03:58 - 1:03:58)
Oh, there

[Speaker 1] (1:03:58 - 1:03:59)
me.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:59 - 1:03:59)
are a few neighbors here.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:59 - 1:04:00)
Pardon me.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:00 - 1:04:00)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:00 - 1:04:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:01 - 1:04:03)
All right, so let's do that first. Let's open up to public comment.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:03 - 1:04:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:08 - 1:04:09)
Sorry about that.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:09 - 1:04:09)
That's okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:17 - 1:04:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:17 - 1:04:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:17 - 1:04:30)
So my name is Jeff Tardif. I'm the neighbor behind them at 44 Walnut. So I wanted to thank Mike and Meg for being proactive about communicating around this change because it is a big change for the neighborhood directly abutting.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:31 - 1:04:36)
My question, I guess, is the overall height that you're expecting to raise the building up to,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:36 - 1:04:41)
does it come into matching the same height as the neighbor next to you, the White House?

[Speaker 2] (1:04:41 - 1:04:42)
So it'll be a

[Speaker 3] (1:04:43 - 1:04:45)
I think it's a foot and a half lower from what I could

[Speaker 7] (1:04:45 - 1:04:45)
figure Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:45 - 1:04:46)
out on the White House,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:46 - 1:04:46)
so

[Speaker 7] (1:04:46 - 1:04:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:47 - 1:04:49)
it's not as high as their house.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:49 - 1:04:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:50 - 1:04:50)
And just for

[Speaker 3] (1:04:50 - 1:04:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:51 - 1:04:57)
the board, what is the overall height limits for any changes to elevations on single-family homes? Do you –

[Speaker 1] (1:04:57 - 1:04:58)
35 feet

[Speaker 8] (1:04:58 - 1:04:58)
what's

[Speaker 1] (1:04:58 - 1:04:58)
to

[Speaker 8] (1:04:58 - 1:04:58)
30?

[Speaker 1] (1:04:58 - 1:05:00)
the midline of the roof.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:00 - 1:05:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:00 - 1:05:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:00 - 1:05:01)
And you're at what, 28?

[Speaker 1] (1:05:01 - 1:05:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:01 - 1:05:01)
28.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:01 - 1:05:02)
And this is, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:02 - 1:05:03)
And 29

[Speaker 2] (1:05:03 - 1:05:03)
this is, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:03 - 1:05:04)
under 29.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:04 - 1:05:09)
And the other thing is on a peaked house that isn't the top of the peak.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:09 - 1:05:09)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:10 - 1:05:14)
It's an average between the bottom of the roof and the top of the roof.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:14 - 1:05:17)
So the peak could actually be higher than 35 if –

[Speaker 8] (1:05:16 - 1:05:17)
If approved at

[Speaker 2] (1:05:17 - 1:05:17)
Correct.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:17 - 1:05:18)
any point.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:18 - 1:05:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:18 - 1:05:18)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:18 - 1:05:18)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:18 - 1:05:19)
And this is

[Speaker 1] (1:05:19 - 1:05:19)
You're

[Speaker 2] (1:05:19 - 1:05:19)
nowhere

[Speaker 1] (1:05:19 - 1:05:20)
actually closer

[Speaker 8] (1:05:20 - 1:05:20)
to the opposite.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:20 - 1:05:20)
near that.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:20 - 1:05:21)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:21 - 1:05:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:21 - 1:05:23)
So you're actually closer to 26 eventually.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:23 - 1:05:24)
Prop,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:24 - 1:05:24)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:24 - 1:05:24)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:24 - 1:05:26)
So is this your house on the left?

[Speaker 8] (1:05:27 - 1:05:29)
I am behind directly behind him.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:30 - 1:05:30)
We can't see behind.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:30 - 1:05:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:31 - 1:05:32)
I don't think you've got a picture of that.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:35 - 1:05:38)
Yeah, it's directly behind him. I'm on Walnut. So yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:39 - 1:05:39)
Did

[Speaker 2] (1:05:39 - 1:05:39)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:05:39 - 1:05:39)
that answer?

[Speaker 2] (1:05:39 - 1:05:47)
this house works well proportionally to add a second floor onto it. It's not looking excessively high.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:47 - 1:05:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:48 - 1:05:53)
So I think it's a successful, definitely a successful project to uh to extend

[Speaker 8] (1:05:53 - 1:05:54)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:54 - 1:05:54)
vertically.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:55 - 1:06:03)
And the only other question I had was around grading, because um the landscape there does pitch down in a run ledge, so a lot of the water just naturally drains through

[Speaker 1] (1:06:03 - 1:06:03)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:03 - 1:06:06)
my property into the lower part of walnut.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:06 - 1:06:09)
Um I just wanna make sure that if you when you do um excavation

[Speaker 3] (1:06:09 - 1:06:09)
You

[Speaker 8] (1:06:09 - 1:06:11)
and stuff, you're not gonna pitch anything towards the

[Speaker 3] (1:06:11 - 1:06:11)
aren't

[Speaker 8] (1:06:11 - 1:06:11)
house to increase.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:11 - 1:06:14)
planning on changing the grading what's

[Speaker 8] (1:06:14 - 1:06:14)
The grading?

[Speaker 3] (1:06:14 - 1:06:15)
currently Okay, there for

[Speaker 8] (1:06:15 - 1:06:15)
perfect.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:15 - 1:06:15)
the anything

[Speaker 3] (1:06:16 - 1:06:18)
When we add those arborvitaes along your fence

[Speaker 8] (1:06:18 - 1:06:19)
line Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:19 - 1:06:19)
that we talked about,

[Speaker 8] (1:06:19 - 1:06:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:20 - 1:06:21)
I'll probably mound that up a little bit.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:21 - 1:06:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:22 - 1:06:22)
Just

[Speaker 8] (1:06:22 - 1:06:22)
Burn

[Speaker 3] (1:06:22 - 1:06:22)
to

[Speaker 8] (1:06:22 - 1:06:22)
my

[Speaker 3] (1:06:22 - 1:06:22)
try

[Speaker 8] (1:06:22 - 1:06:23)
mouth a

[Speaker 3] (1:06:23 - 1:06:23)
to help

[Speaker 8] (1:06:23 - 1:06:23)
little.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:23 - 1:06:23)
a little

[Speaker 8] (1:06:23 - 1:06:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:23 - 1:06:23)
bit.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:24 - 1:06:25)
Um but

[Speaker 8] (1:06:25 - 1:06:26)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:26 - 1:06:28)
Those are the questions I had. Anything

[Speaker 1] (1:06:28 - 1:06:28)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:28 - 1:06:29)
further that you... Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:30 - 1:06:30)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:30 - 1:06:31)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:31 - 1:06:32)
Yep, thanks.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:35 - 1:06:36)
Anybody else?

[Speaker 5] (1:06:40 - 1:06:41)
Sorry, was there?

[Speaker 3] (1:06:41 - 1:06:41)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:41 - 1:06:42)
Yeah, there's a couple more in the back.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:47 - 1:06:48)
There you go. Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:52 - 1:06:54)
Thank you. Hello?

[Speaker 9] (1:06:55 - 1:06:55)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:56 - 1:06:56)
Yeah, we can hear you.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:56 - 1:07:01)
Okay. My name is Linda Pastor. I live directly across the street. I'm at 14.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:05 - 1:07:15)
I have to commend the Calpins on informing the neighborhood and keeping us all posted. And I'm here to support his plan today.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:17 - 1:07:17)
Great. Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:07:17 - 1:07:18)
you. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:23 - 1:07:24)
Anyone else?

[Speaker 2] (1:07:27 - 1:07:28)
Anyone online?

[Speaker 2] (1:07:31 - 1:07:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:36 - 1:07:36)
Motion?

[Speaker 1] (1:07:37 - 1:07:43)
I'll make a motion to approve site plan special permit for petition number.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:44 - 1:07:49)
20- what is it, what's the,

[Speaker 1] (1:07:49 - 1:07:52)
thank you,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:52 - 1:07:54)
26-1

[Speaker 3] (1:07:54 - 1:07:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:54 - 1:07:54)
11

[Speaker 3] (1:07:54 - 1:07:55)
second.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:55 - 1:07:57)
26 for 11

[Speaker 9] (1:07:57 - 1:07:57)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:57 - 1:07:59)
Pine Hill Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:07:59 - 1:07:59)
thank

[Speaker 10] (1:08:02 - 1:08:03)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:08:03 - 1:08:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:03 - 1:08:04)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:04 - 1:08:05)
Thank you very much,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:05 - 1:08:06)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:06 - 1:08:06)
good luck.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:15 - 1:08:16)
We'll skip ahead then to my last one too, so.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:16 - 1:08:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:16 - 1:08:17)
Okay, Ted.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:17 - 1:08:17)
So.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:17 - 1:08:19)
There you go. Alright.

[Speaker 11] (1:08:21 - 1:08:40)
Alright, next item. We have application twenty six dash two, uh twenty four to twenty eight Ingalls Terrace by Doug Dubin, requesting a site plan special permit to construct a two thousand square foot addition to the existing single family home at twenty four to twenty eight Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:42 - 1:08:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:45 - 1:08:49)
Matthew Wolverton, I'm here with Doug Dubin and Emmett McNulty.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:50 - 1:08:52)
They're the beneficial owners of Eastman LLC,

[Speaker 8] (1:08:52 - 1:08:53)
which is the owner of the property.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:54 - 1:08:56)
And 24 Ingalls Terrace is a single family

[Speaker 1] (1:08:56 - 1:08:57)
I'm

[Speaker 8] (1:08:57 - 1:08:57)
home.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:57 - 1:08:58)
having a hard time hearing you.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:58 - 1:08:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:58 - 1:08:59)
Can you hear me now?

[Speaker 2] (1:08:59 - 1:09:00)
two gentlemen,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:00 - 1:09:00)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:00 - 1:09:01)
could you come forward?

[Speaker 8] (1:09:01 - 1:09:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:01 - 1:09:03)
That'll just make it a little easier for us.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:03 - 1:09:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:08 - 1:09:10)
And yes, when you moved the mic it helped.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:34 - 1:09:35)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:36 - 1:09:41)
So again, this is 24 and 28 Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:41 - 1:09:49)
24 Ingalls Terrace is presently it's a single family home. It's located in the A4 zoning district and the property consists of two separate lots.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:49 - 1:09:50)
On

[Speaker 2] (1:09:50 - 1:09:50)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:09:50 - 1:09:50)
one

[Speaker 2] (1:09:50 - 1:09:50)
could

[Speaker 1] (1:09:50 - 1:09:50)
lot.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:50 - 1:09:53)
you might introduce yourself again? I missed

[Speaker 1] (1:09:53 - 1:09:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:53 - 1:09:54)
it.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:54 - 1:09:55)
sorry about that.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:55 - 1:09:55)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:55 - 1:09:56)
I'll start right from the beginning.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
There you

[Speaker 2] (1:09:56 - 1:09:57)
I missed it from the beginning.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:57 - 1:10:00)
Yeah, it's attorney Matthew Wolverton and

[Speaker 2] (1:10:00 - 1:10:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:00 - 1:10:02)
I'm here with Doug Dubin.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:02 - 1:10:08)
And Emmett McNulty. And they're the beneficial owners of Eastman L_L_C_ which is the property owner.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:09 - 1:10:09)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:09 - 1:10:10)
Do you want to do one more?

[Speaker 1] (1:10:11 - 1:10:12)
One more?

[Speaker 4] (1:10:12 - 1:10:12)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:14 - 1:10:16)
Oh, we can split one here if we're

[Speaker 1] (1:10:20 - 1:10:26)
So there are two lots located at 24-28 Ingalls Terrace. One lot, there's an existing structure.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:27 - 1:10:30)
That lot consists of approximately 2,700 square feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:30 - 1:10:35)
And there's a separate larger vacant lot of approximately 3,700 square feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:36 - 1:10:40)
These lots are non-conforming due to the lack of frontage and they're undersized,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:40 - 1:10:42)
so they've merged for zoning purposes.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:43 - 1:10:47)
They've gone back through the title and they've been in common ownership since at least 1947.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:48 - 1:10:52)
Okay, and you have, so they're in common ownership, but are they combined?

[Speaker 1] (1:10:52 - 1:10:53)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (1:10:53 - 1:10:53)
They

[Speaker 1] (1:10:53 - 1:10:53)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:10:53 - 1:10:53)
are.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:53 - 1:10:54)
they're George all

[Speaker 4] (1:10:54 - 1:10:54)
Fenlon.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:54 - 1:10:55)
in one deed,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:55 - 1:10:56)
and I have a copy of the deed actually

[Speaker 4] (1:10:56 - 1:10:56)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:56 - 1:10:57)
here.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:57 - 1:10:57)
great,

[Speaker 4] (1:10:57 - 1:11:00)
because it just doesn't show up like that on our records.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:00 - 1:11:03)
Yeah, yeah, I noticed on the GIS and the assessor's record.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:02 - 1:11:06)
These records, when you go to a parcel I_D_ it still shows prior owner.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:06 - 1:11:06)
That's right.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:07 - 1:11:07)
But if you

[Speaker 4] (1:11:07 - 1:11:08)
Okay, good to know.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:09 - 1:11:17)
Yeah, if you just assign the plan that's filed with this and then just run the meets and bounds on this new, and copy it, it should be there.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:17 - 1:11:17)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:17 - 1:11:18)
Thanks,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
But uh

[Speaker 4] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
thank you very

[Speaker 1] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
you'll

[Speaker 4] (1:11:18 - 1:11:19)
much.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:19 - 1:11:20)
see that it is all combined into

[Speaker 4] (1:11:21 - 1:11:21)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:21 - 1:11:23)
one lot as it's called.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:23 - 1:11:24)
Good.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:24 - 1:11:24)
Good.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:27 - 1:11:27)
Good.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:34 - 1:11:37)
And so the applicant, the petitioners are proposing the construction of an addition

[Speaker 6] (1:11:37 - 1:11:38)
That's the time.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:39 - 1:11:46)
to the existing single family home to create two family style townhouse style residential structure.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:46 - 1:11:49)
That use is permitted by right in the zoning district.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:50 - 1:12:00)
And we are here tonight for a site plan special permit pursuant to section 5.4.2.2 of the bylaw due to the addition of more than 800 square feet of gross floor area.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:01 - 1:12:04)
The proposed addition will be dimensionally conforming.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:05 - 1:12:11)
So the petitioners intend to keep intact the existing structure, which was built in approximately 1852,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:11 - 1:12:17)
and have designed the proposed addition to maintain the historic appearance and integrity of that existing structure.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:18 - 1:12:21)
And with that, if there's any questions from the board members,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:21 - 1:12:26)
we have additional material that we filed today at request of the town.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:26 - 1:12:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:27 - 1:12:32)
So you said that, I visited the house without you, Doug.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:32 - 1:12:40)
I went up there and nosed around on my walk the other day. And yeah, it has, you know, clearly,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:40 - 1:12:42)
so no one's living there now.

[Speaker 7] (1:12:43 - 1:12:43)
Four years.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:44 - 1:12:45)
Sorry?

[Speaker 8] (1:12:46 - 1:12:46)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:46 - 1:12:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:46 - 1:12:49)
it hasn't been vacant for over three years.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:49 - 1:12:50)
Okay. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:50 - 1:12:59)
And it looks like it's definitely coming apart and there's a lot of rotting around

[Speaker 8] (1:12:59 - 1:12:59)
And I've

[Speaker 2] (1:12:59 - 1:12:59)
it.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:59 - 1:13:01)
only helped the foundation and everything,

[Speaker 8] (1:13:01 - 1:13:02)
the floors are all straight,

[Speaker 8] (1:13:03 - 1:13:05)
the walls are still standing straight.

[Speaker 9] (1:13:07 - 1:13:07)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:13:07 - 1:13:07)
I

[Speaker 9] (1:13:07 - 1:13:07)
have a question.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:07 - 1:13:07)
could

[Speaker 9] (1:13:07 - 1:13:09)
It looks like it's falling apart, which it is.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:09 - 1:13:25)
Well I could yeah, I mean some of the where the where they where the wood where the wood meets the foundation is, you just it's rotted out, that's, you know so um it's looks like it needs the structure would be removed. I can't imagine how you'd

[Speaker 9] (1:13:25 - 1:13:26)
Repair.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:26 - 1:13:28)
So you're not taking down any of the walls.

[Speaker 9] (1:13:28 - 1:13:29)
It will all stay just like

[Speaker 9] (1:13:32 - 1:13:33)
I'm Doug Newman,

[Speaker 9] (1:13:33 - 1:13:34)
Double D Construction,

[Speaker 9] (1:13:35 - 1:13:36)
Eastman LLC,

[Speaker 9] (1:13:36 - 1:13:38)
my business partner and I.

[Speaker 9] (1:13:38 - 1:13:41)
I've known the house for a while, I know Ingles Terrace.

[Speaker 9] (1:13:41 - 1:13:45)
We've done, I've done personally a bunch of old historic houses.

[Speaker 9] (1:13:46 - 1:13:48)
We're going to get it to the studs basically,

[Speaker 9] (1:13:49 - 1:13:52)
rebuild any headers that need to be deepened, any code.

[Speaker 9] (1:13:53 - 1:13:57)
I'm going to resave all the crown moldings on the top of the existing building.

[Speaker 9] (1:13:58 - 1:14:08)
It's all going to be clapboard, it's all going to be two over two windows to look historic, it's all going to have a freeze board on it, it's going to have the front porches to meet

[Speaker 4] (1:14:08 - 1:14:09)
That cute

[Speaker 9] (1:14:09 - 1:14:09)
it.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:09 - 1:14:10)
little half-round porch,

[Speaker 9] (1:14:10 - 1:14:12)
No, it can't shave the round front porch.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:12 - 1:14:13)
It's so cute.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:13 - 1:14:15)
You should see the drawings.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:15 - 1:14:22)
The new one's going to look just like it, so it's going to be historically like it was before with

[Speaker 4] (1:14:22 - 1:14:22)
It's so

[Speaker 9] (1:14:22 - 1:14:23)
new water

[Speaker 4] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
cute,

[Speaker 9] (1:14:23 - 1:14:23)
windows.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:23 - 1:14:24)
it goes like this.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
We're basically,

[Speaker 9] (1:14:27 - 1:14:31)
the relief we're asking for is because it's 2,000 square feet.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:31 - 1:14:37)
So the building itself that's there right now is staying just like it is. We're not changing the footprint.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:37 - 1:14:40)
So you're going to have to take out the right-hand side of it, the...

[Speaker 9] (1:14:40 - 1:14:40)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:40 - 1:14:41)
okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:41 - 1:14:41)
exactly

[Speaker 10] (1:14:41 - 1:14:41)
No,

[Speaker 9] (1:14:41 - 1:14:41)
as

[Speaker 10] (1:14:41 - 1:14:41)
it's...

[Speaker 9] (1:14:41 - 1:14:45)
the foundation stays and it just comes off of it and it builds on top of that.

[Speaker 10] (1:14:45 - 1:14:46)
We need to rebuild part of that foundation.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:47 - 1:14:50)
It's going to add a new foundation onto that section right there.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:50 - 1:14:54)
And there'll be a fire wall right between the whole two buildings.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:54 - 1:14:55)
Okay, all right.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:55 - 1:15:00)
Um, so I know it looks weird, that overhang on the right side you're talking about,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:00 - 1:15:01)
but that will be part of both

[Speaker 10] (1:15:01 - 1:15:02)
So that's in right

[Speaker 1] (1:15:02 - 1:15:02)
buildings

[Speaker 10] (1:15:02 - 1:15:02)
here.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:02 - 1:15:03)
right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:11 - 1:15:15)
It's been abandoned, like she said, for three years.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:15 - 1:15:20)
The goal is to try to make it a beautiful townhouses for sale.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:22 - 1:15:27)
Again, I'm not keeping it, I'm not moving into it. I'm going to make sure all the landscaping's perfect,

[Speaker 9] (1:15:28 - 1:15:35)
we have parking that's existing on the left side. We're gonna add two parking spots on the right side as per three.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
We

[Speaker 4] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
Okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
are going

[Speaker 4] (1:15:36 - 1:15:37)
so

[Speaker 9] (1:15:37 - 1:15:48)
to accommodate all the neighbors while I'm doing this, make sure work trucks are probably three work trucks, plumber, electrician, that type of thing. Everyone else will park on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:49 - 1:15:56)
I would like to watch back of neighbors to make sure they're good, to make sure dumpsters aren't blocking anyone.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:56 - 1:15:57)
We'll always have parking.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:58 - 1:16:05)
If anyone's there, I will be. Someone will be there to make sure that this site is going well, because I want it to be done well.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:05 - 1:16:08)
As you guys know, I've done a lot of work around town forever,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:08 - 1:16:09)
and

[Speaker 4] (1:16:09 - 1:16:10)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:16:10 - 1:16:13)
this is mine, not a customer's, so I'm on this.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:14 - 1:16:16)
I had a couple questions about,

[Speaker 4] (1:16:16 - 1:16:17)
so the law itself,

[Speaker 4] (1:16:17 - 1:16:20)
I am, I

[Speaker 4] (1:16:21 - 1:16:25)
Tried to look around the back to see, you know, there's precipitous drop off,

[Speaker 4] (1:16:25 - 1:16:25)
right?

[Speaker 4] (1:16:25 - 1:16:29)
So I walked down to Humphrey Street and trespassed on 352's

[Speaker 9] (1:16:29 - 1:16:31)
I can tell you about the walk.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:31 - 1:16:32)
property.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:32 - 1:16:32)
So

[Speaker 9] (1:16:32 - 1:16:33)
I did

[Speaker 4] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33)
I could

[Speaker 9] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33)
too.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:33 - 1:16:34)
walk down

[Speaker 9] (1:16:34 - 1:16:36)
I did not meet the dentist's

[Speaker 4] (1:16:36 - 1:16:36)
office But

[Speaker 9] (1:16:36 - 1:16:37)
or the people that live there.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:37 - 1:16:38)
I walked that whole section.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:38 - 1:16:39)
that looks like sheer ledge.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:39 - 1:16:45)
It's sheer ledge except for behind the building is like a 12-foot section of...

[Speaker 9] (1:16:45 - 1:16:46)
wall that was built

[Speaker 4] (1:16:46 - 1:16:47)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:47 - 1:16:48)
on top of the ledge that

[Speaker 4] (1:16:48 - 1:16:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:48 - 1:16:51)
just needs to be pointed back together right there yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:16:51 - 1:16:55)
Okay, now is that the property line?

[Speaker 4] (1:16:55 - 1:16:55)
Is the wall,

[Speaker 4] (1:16:55 - 1:16:57)
the ledge is the property line?

[Speaker 9] (1:16:57 - 1:17:10)
ledge is the property line so it goes like way past the building that's how we're getting a really nice yard right back there and I'm gonna we're not raising the level of the yard it's gonna go there because with Emily's

[Speaker 9] (1:17:12 - 1:17:14)
Christine's house right next door,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:14 - 1:17:16)
their backyard kind of goes into

[Speaker 4] (1:17:16 - 1:17:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:16 - 1:17:16)
that and

[Speaker 4] (1:17:16 - 1:17:16)
but

[Speaker 9] (1:17:16 - 1:17:21)
meets that so I can't really mess with the levels or anything like that too much.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:21 - 1:17:23)
We're just going to add a

[Speaker 4] (1:17:23 - 1:17:23)
your

[Speaker 9] (1:17:23 - 1:17:23)
fence house to

[Speaker 4] (1:17:23 - 1:17:24)
is where to the left,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:24 - 1:17:25)
the left.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:25 - 1:17:26)
to the left. Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:26 - 1:17:26)
all right.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:27 - 1:17:29)
So I tried not to walk on your property,

[Speaker 2] (1:17:29 - 1:17:31)
but I scooted around the back of his.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:33 - 1:17:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:34 - 1:17:37)
So the question that I would ask is, I'm looking for,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:37 - 1:17:38)
first off,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:38 - 1:17:40)
I'm just going to say what's on my mind.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:40 - 1:17:43)
These are really nice architectural plans.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:43 - 1:17:45)
That's my business partner and what Good he's

[Speaker 1] (1:17:45 - 1:17:45)
job.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:45 - 1:17:45)
doing.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:45 - 1:17:46)
This looks,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:47 - 1:17:52)
to me this is a really sound approach to adding another unit to a building.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:53 - 1:17:53)
I think

[Speaker 10] (1:17:53 - 1:17:58)
I think the balance is good. I think the fact that you're pulling it back I actually um from an Do architectural

[Speaker 9] (1:17:58 - 1:17:59)
you have any kind

[Speaker 10] (1:17:59 - 1:17:59)
standpoint,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:59 - 1:18:00)
of rating on a map like that?

[Speaker 10] (1:18:00 - 1:18:03)
it's it's nice in plan. I also do uh

[Speaker 9] (1:18:03 - 1:18:05)
The tacks aren't huge off the back.

[Speaker 10] (1:18:05 - 1:18:21)
really appreciate the connector that you're using. It it is logical and it and it feels it you know the flow of it is quite good. Um I'm a little confused by there's there's a series of photographs that you walked over that the connector

[Speaker 10] (1:18:21 - 1:18:25)
I'm assuming that the plans that were submitted is what we really should be looking

[Speaker 1] (1:18:25 - 1:18:25)
Correct.

[Speaker 10] (1:18:25 - 1:18:25)
at.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:25 - 1:18:26)
That's where the architectural

[Speaker 10] (1:18:26 - 1:18:29)
There were some experiential, you know, or experiments

[Speaker 8] (1:18:29 - 1:18:29)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (1:18:29 - 1:18:30)
that

[Speaker 8] (1:18:30 - 1:18:30)
you can.

[Speaker 10] (1:18:30 - 1:18:30)
um

[Speaker 1] (1:18:30 - 1:18:35)
Yeah, we had we did some artist renditions and things to land on the absolute design.

[Speaker 10] (1:18:35 - 1:18:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:35 - 1:18:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:18:35 - 1:18:48)
Um so it's a house I have actually oh I I love a house in need. Um it's a house I've always admired. It's a house that I loved when the porch was on it and was sad when I saw it collapsed.

[Speaker 10] (1:18:49 - 1:18:49)
Um,

[Speaker 10] (1:18:49 - 1:19:00)
but the uh the house itself, it still has a really nice pure form. I'm really thrilled to um to think that you're gonna be replicating and you know,

[Speaker 9] (1:19:00 - 1:19:01)
I

[Speaker 10] (1:19:01 - 1:19:01)
r

[Speaker 9] (1:19:01 - 1:19:01)
like that.

[Speaker 10] (1:19:01 - 1:19:02)
repairing and replicating.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:02 - 1:19:03)
I like exactly what

[Speaker 10] (1:19:03 - 1:19:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:03 - 1:19:03)
that house is.

[Speaker 10] (1:19:03 - 1:19:04)
And I Well, think that

[Speaker 4] (1:19:04 - 1:19:04)
it fits

[Speaker 10] (1:19:04 - 1:19:04)
it's

[Speaker 4] (1:19:04 - 1:19:05)
there too.

[Speaker 10] (1:19:05 - 1:19:15)
it's it fits really nicely and to go from the worst house on the street to one that that really ties the neighbourhood together, 'cause I think that's a really special street.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:15 - 1:19:15)
I agree.

[Speaker 10] (1:19:15 - 1:19:24)
and the steps and everything in there so I think it's a great property to bring up I also feel that the view from below will be

[Speaker 1] (1:19:32 - 1:19:45)
what the house should look like. I think when you look up and see this, it will will be appealing too. The one question that I have, uh we were talking about the site, um is the topography. Because I'm not I'm not finding any drawings

[Speaker 2] (1:19:45 - 1:19:50)
I see there is one picture in there that shows the side picture of the one that brought you tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:50 - 1:19:51)
So they,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:51 - 1:19:52)
You can see that.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:52 - 1:19:52)
so

[Speaker 3] (1:19:52 - 1:19:57)
And in our architectural prints, so what he did is he went in and laid out with our surveyor the elevation,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:57 - 1:19:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:57 - 1:19:57)
so.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:57 - 1:20:06)
Um do we need a site plan that shows the elevations on record? Um uh with the topo on record.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:06 - 1:20:14)
I mean, I would have liked to have seen a site plan with a topographical plan on it because this is so unique.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:14 - 1:20:16)
It's not really changing though, that's the thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:16 - 1:20:16)
Like

[Speaker 3] (1:20:16 - 1:20:22)
No, we weren't modifying the site at all. We did record it so that elevations are correct and we made sure we didn't exceed.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:22 - 1:20:22)
we did take

[Speaker 1] (1:20:22 - 1:20:27)
So the plans are showing the correct elevation at the point that the building is interacting

[Speaker 3] (1:20:27 - 1:20:27)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:27 - 1:20:27)
with the ground.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:27 - 1:20:27)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:27 - 1:20:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:28 - 1:20:31)
Because I imagine the floor height's right here everything and

[Speaker 1] (1:20:31 - 1:20:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:31 - 1:20:33)
And then they have a full set of architectural

[Speaker 2] (1:20:33 - 1:20:39)
If you look at the one that shows the silo with the porches on the back you can see the angle coming down,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:39 - 1:20:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:39 - 1:20:41)
which goes to the wall that way.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:42)
Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:42 - 1:20:45)
And we're not changing the existing

[Speaker 3] (1:20:46 - 1:20:47)
you know, topography whatsoever.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:47 - 1:20:48)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:48 - 1:20:51)
And I just the other thing, though that looks like it's about

[Speaker 1] (1:20:53 - 1:20:57)
maybe four feet of foundation, what is your foundation material?

[Speaker 2] (1:20:58 - 1:20:59)
do the new structure

[Speaker 1] (1:20:59 - 1:20:59)
Concrete.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:59 - 1:21:00)
will be concrete,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:01)
Concrete, okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:01 - 1:21:08)
um which I'm probably going to put a veneer on. I'm not going to give you too much information yet because I'm not totally positive, but it's got a

[Speaker 4] (1:21:09 - 1:21:09)
Looks

[Speaker 2] (1:21:09 - 1:21:09)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:09 - 1:21:10)
solid brick, isn't it?

[Speaker 2] (1:21:10 - 1:21:13)
the existing foundation's brick.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:13 - 1:21:15)
It's like sixteen inches of brick, that

[Speaker 4] (1:21:15 - 1:21:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:15 - 1:21:16)
old school.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:16 - 1:21:16)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:17 - 1:21:19)
It's amazing the condition it's in if you come down the basement.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:19 - 1:21:21)
Yeah, it's not it's not a

[Speaker 1] (1:21:22 - 1:21:22)
It's not stone.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:22 - 1:21:23)
field right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:23 - 1:21:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:23 - 1:21:23)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:23 - 1:21:23)
Isn't

[Speaker 1] (1:21:23 - 1:21:23)
no, that's

[Speaker 4] (1:21:23 - 1:21:23)
that interesting?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:23 - 1:21:24)
nice.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:25 - 1:21:25)
I know.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:25 - 1:21:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:25 - 1:21:26)
It's nice.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:26 - 1:21:36)
Jim, I will chime in, and if you look at the screen, um these are the requirements in the topography and drainage plan is required for commercial, but it's not required for residential.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:36 - 1:21:37)
Excellent. Good.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:37 - 1:21:37)
But I

[Speaker 3] (1:21:37 - 1:21:37)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:21:37 - 1:21:38)
think when

[Speaker 3] (1:21:38 - 1:21:38)
what I I needed.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:38 - 1:21:39)
see the downspouts

[Speaker 3] (1:21:39 - 1:21:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:39 - 1:21:45)
and gutters are going the right direction, because I don't want to flood anybody out, I don't want to flood my own house out.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:47 - 1:21:47)
Uh

[Speaker 3] (1:21:47 - 1:21:47)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (1:21:51 - 1:21:51)
Get a full basement.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:53 - 1:21:56)
I don't know on the new part yet. The old part has a full basement.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:57 - 1:21:58)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:58 - 1:21:59)
your name again, sir?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:59 - 1:22:00)
Theo Carangelo.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:00 - 1:22:04)
Theo Carangelo has told me that there's ledge all next door on his side.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:04 - 1:22:05)
I'll bet.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:05 - 1:22:08)
So I'm going to dig down until I hit ledge.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:08 - 1:22:08)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (1:22:08 - 1:22:08)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:22:08 - 1:22:08)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:08 - 1:22:10)
if I get a full basement out of it, I will

[Speaker 4] (1:22:10 - 1:22:10)
The

[Speaker 2] (1:22:10 - 1:22:11)
get a...

[Speaker 4] (1:22:11 - 1:22:13)
amount of ledge there just, I was It amazed.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:13 - 1:22:14)
was, don't know.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:14 - 1:22:18)
We are not going to be hammering. I'm not going to be blasting anything,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:19 - 1:22:19)
none of that.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:20 - 1:22:30)
I am just going to dig down the ledge and pin it to ledge and come up with whatever I can and make sure it's waterproof to death so there's no issues. We're not putting living space down there or anything.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:30 - 1:22:31)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:31 - 1:22:33)
Um, maybe boilers, we'll see.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:37 - 1:22:38)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:22:38 - 1:22:38)
That's

[Speaker 3] (1:22:38 - 1:22:38)
that was,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:38 - 1:22:38)
a really important

[Speaker 3] (1:22:38 - 1:22:39)
that was,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:39 - 1:22:39)
question.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:39 - 1:22:40)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:40 - 1:22:40)
Can

[Speaker 3] (1:22:40 - 1:22:41)
that was.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:42 - 1:22:42)
it be read?

[Speaker 2] (1:22:44 - 1:22:45)
We saw

[Speaker 4] (1:22:45 - 1:22:45)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:22:45 - 1:22:45)
that.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:45 - 1:22:45)
mean,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:45 - 1:22:45)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:22:45 - 1:22:46)
seriously,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:46 - 1:22:49)
if we lose that cute little red house,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:49 - 1:22:53)
I mean, you just don't do beige and, you know,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:53 - 1:22:56)
I love that note as

[Speaker 4] (1:22:56 - 1:22:56)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:56 - 1:22:58)
a man that lives in a red house.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:58 - 1:22:59)
would

[Speaker 4] (1:22:59 - 1:22:59)
that's

[Speaker 2] (1:22:59 - 1:23:00)
love true. you to not

[Speaker 4] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
You

[Speaker 2] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
just

[Speaker 4] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
do

[Speaker 2] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
make

[Speaker 4] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
live

[Speaker 2] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
the same

[Speaker 4] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
in a,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:00 - 1:23:01)
decision.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:01 - 1:23:03)
well, Red is my favorite color, but my

[Speaker 2] (1:23:03 - 1:23:03)
What

[Speaker 4] (1:23:03 - 1:23:05)
I mean, you got, you know, it has

[Speaker 3] (1:23:05 - 1:23:05)
wife would say otherwise.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:05 - 1:23:11)
such, it has such presence and for this little house was just, you know, it's so sweet.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:11 - 1:23:12)
sells the best?

[Speaker 4] (1:23:14 - 1:23:16)
I'd go for the Red House any day as

[Speaker 1] (1:23:16 - 1:23:16)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:23:16 - 1:23:18)
opposed to a plain vanilla,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:18 - 1:23:18)
are you kidding?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:18 - 1:23:19)
Yeah, I would

[Speaker 4] (1:23:19 - 1:23:20)
There's so much more

[Speaker 1] (1:23:20 - 1:23:20)
say

[Speaker 4] (1:23:20 - 1:23:21)
personality

[Speaker 1] (1:23:21 - 1:23:21)
what

[Speaker 2] (1:23:21 - 1:23:22)
to the character.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:22 - 1:23:23)
sells the best,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:23 - 1:23:23)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:23 - 1:23:24)
the view out the back of that

[Speaker 2] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:23:24 - 1:23:24)
house.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:24 - 1:23:25)
really does.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:25 - 1:23:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:33)
I mean, this is, I have been looking at that house every time I come down the steps and thinking this has to be saved.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:33 - 1:23:34)
The Red House is red too.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:34 - 1:23:38)
I'm really glad to think of it being saved and utilized this way.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:38 - 1:23:39)
So I am...

[Speaker 1] (1:23:42 - 1:23:52)
I'm I don't have a lot of questions other than the topography which is showing up in the side view glad to know that that is not required um the other

[Speaker 4] (1:23:53 - 1:23:56)
That is just required only if it was commercial, but

[Speaker 3] (1:23:56 - 1:23:56)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:56 - 1:23:59)
the point is that you know it sometimes it's very helpful with this, but

[Speaker 3] (1:23:59 - 1:24:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:00 - 1:24:01)
seeing as we have an existing

[Speaker 1] (1:24:01 - 1:24:07)
And so you're looking at maintaining the existing parking you'll leave that car there though, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:24:07 - 1:24:10)
I wish he's you know I have a vegetable garden and I

[Speaker 4] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
will

[Speaker 3] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
Amazing

[Speaker 2] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
get

[Speaker 4] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
it.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
car.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:10 - 1:24:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:11 - 1:24:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:11 - 1:24:11)
Ah,

[Speaker 2] (1:24:11 - 1:24:13)
No, I can't afford my same person, but I and would like

[Speaker 3] (1:24:13 - 1:24:13)
then the three

[Speaker 2] (1:24:13 - 1:24:14)
to afford

[Speaker 3] (1:24:14 - 1:24:14)
additional

[Speaker 2] (1:24:14 - 1:24:14)
one.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:14 - 1:24:16)
parking spots um

[Speaker 4] (1:24:16 - 1:24:17)
So much cute.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:18 - 1:24:19)
there I think that's great.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:19 - 1:24:20)
So much cute.

[Speaker 9] (1:24:21 - 1:24:25)
What are you doing for utilities? Do you have any external compressors, condensers, anything like that?

[Speaker 2] (1:24:25 - 1:24:27)
Um there will be a couple A_C_ unit

[Speaker 9] (1:24:28 - 1:24:28)
'Kay.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:28 - 1:24:31)
out back somewhere, behind underneath the deck, something

[Speaker 9] (1:24:31 - 1:24:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:24:31 - 1:24:31)
like

[Speaker 9] (1:24:31 - 1:24:32)
underneath

[Speaker 2] (1:24:32 - 1:24:32)
that.

[Speaker 9] (1:24:32 - 1:24:33)
the deck preferably.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:33 - 1:24:36)
Yeah, probably, c it can't be under the deck, but they can be near the backyard. That

[Speaker 1] (1:24:36 - 1:24:37)
You have s a couple

[Speaker 2] (1:24:37 - 1:24:37)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:37 - 1:24:37)
spots.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:37 - 1:24:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:39 - 1:24:42)
It's remarkable how much, you know, how far back it goes.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:42 - 1:24:43)
It's a re isn't it?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:43 - 1:24:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:24:43 - 1:24:43)
Alive?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:43 - 1:24:47)
I was just fascinated. I I mean, I would have loved to have gone inside, but of course

[Speaker 2] (1:24:47 - 1:24:49)
You're welcome to come in tomorrow.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:49 - 1:24:51)
Yeah, I will. I mean, it's I'll go in with you.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:51 - 1:24:51)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:24:51 - 1:24:51)
I'd love

[Speaker 2] (1:24:51 - 1:24:51)
scared

[Speaker 4] (1:24:51 - 1:24:51)
to just

[Speaker 2] (1:24:51 - 1:24:52)
one of our neighbours I

[Speaker 4] (1:24:52 - 1:24:53)
I loved would her to

[Speaker 2] (1:24:53 - 1:24:53)
come snoop through the other

[Speaker 4] (1:24:53 - 1:24:53)
around

[Speaker 2] (1:24:53 - 1:24:54)
day

[Speaker 4] (1:24:54 - 1:24:54)
in there.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:54 - 1:24:55)
and she came through.

[Speaker 10] (1:24:55 - 1:24:57)
I bet there's some good stuff in there.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:57 - 1:25:01)
I offered to you to go through and you want to see it. I'm sorry I haven't met you guys yet.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:03 - 1:25:04)
Your tree down below.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:05 - 1:25:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:06 - 1:25:08)
So I probably trespassed on your property.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:09 - 1:25:09)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:11 - 1:25:12)
The purple house. Oh, right.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:15 - 1:25:16)
That's a beauty,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:16 - 1:25:16)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:16 - 1:25:17)
Did a great job on it.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:17 - 1:25:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:18 - 1:25:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:18 - 1:25:19)
Uh any other comments

[Speaker 2] (1:25:19 - 1:25:20)
You're

[Speaker 11] (1:25:20 - 1:25:20)
before

[Speaker 2] (1:25:20 - 1:25:20)
welcome.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:20 - 1:25:20)
uh

[Speaker 4] (1:25:20 - 1:25:21)
Um, and

[Speaker 12] (1:25:21 - 1:25:22)
How about coming home?

[Speaker 11] (1:25:22 - 1:25:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:22 - 1:25:23)
It's a nice house.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:23 - 1:25:23)
That's a very nice house.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:23 - 1:25:24)
just

[Speaker 2] (1:25:24 - 1:25:24)
That's

[Speaker 4] (1:25:24 - 1:25:24)
for me,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:24 - 1:25:24)
a.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:24 - 1:25:25)
so,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:25 - 1:25:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:25 - 1:25:25)
did

[Speaker 2] (1:25:25 - 1:25:25)
right.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:25 - 1:25:29)
we, you know, I'm assuming that if historical hasn't been.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:31 - 1:25:50)
The reason that this is, you know, it's particularly significant to, you know and I'm not saying historically significant, I'm not saying that it, you know, I'm not on the historical commission, okay, but from a historic standpoint what's interesting is it was built in eighteen fifty two, which was the year that San Scott was incorporated as a town.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:50 - 1:26:16)
And it's a very very old house and it's as you know right next to 47 steps or however many steps are really there but those were those were built because of the trolley tracks because we used to have a trolley a Pumphrey Street and people that lived and worked around the area and even some that lived in smaller homes and work at the big estates would be able to instead of walking all the way around rock

[Speaker 4] (1:26:16 - 1:26:42)
Brooklyn this that all the way around they could just cut straight down the hill so you'll see there's actually quite a few properties on Humphrey Street that have staircases if you look in a lot of them are overgrown but that's I know I found it particularly charming look I understand some of the concerns that we heard from you know people that submitted comments about you know density and so forth I mean

[Speaker 4] (1:26:43 - 1:26:50)
If you stand on that street and you look up, I mean, this is the way that neighbourhood's been developed. It's um

[Speaker 4] (1:26:52 - 1:26:52)
and based

[Speaker 11] (1:26:52 - 1:26:54)
On that point maybe we should open up to the

[Speaker 4] (1:26:54 - 1:26:54)
I

[Speaker 11] (1:26:54 - 1:26:54)
public.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:54 - 1:26:55)
think it Yes, would be a good

[Speaker 2] (1:26:55 - 1:26:56)
yeah. I idea, was gonna say that. I

[Speaker 4] (1:26:56 - 1:26:56)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:56 - 1:26:57)
won't hear the neighbours,

[Speaker 11] (1:26:57 - 1:26:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:57 - 1:26:57)
uh, here for

[Speaker 4] (1:26:57 - 1:26:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:57 - 1:26:58)
that.

[Speaker 11] (1:26:58 - 1:26:59)
Okay, let's do it.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59)
Let's do it.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:09 - 1:27:14)
My name is Emily Cantor. I live next door at 20 Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:14 - 1:27:22)
20 Ingalls Terrace is a three unit condo. It was renovated home about 14 years ago.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:22 - 1:27:27)
It was a rental and then she sold it as three separate units.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:27 - 1:27:31)
So I live on the in the second unit,

[Speaker 10] (1:27:31 - 1:27:32)
which is

[Speaker 10] (1:27:32 - 1:27:36)
When you come around the corner, it's on the first floor, but then the deck,

[Speaker 10] (1:27:36 - 1:27:41)
the back of it, or that which faces the ocean is considered the second floor.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:41 - 1:27:41)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:41 - 1:27:42)
And this is

[Speaker 14] (1:27:43 - 1:27:46)
My name is Christine Masalbas and I'm on the top floor.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:48 - 1:27:50)
Um so thank you for your time.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:50 - 1:27:51)
Thank you. This is my first.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:52 - 1:27:53)
town meeting.

[Speaker 14] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
Great.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:53 - 1:27:59)
And special thank you to Doug, who has been incredibly accessible to us all, answering all our questions.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:01 - 1:28:05)
You know, we were able to voice our concerns. He gave you a tour of the house.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:05 - 1:28:06)
I'm out.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:06 - 1:28:08)
And so,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:08 - 1:28:12)
and we did, I don't know if this is the right forum for it, you know, we do have concerns.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:13 - 1:28:16)
I can't speak for the other neighbors. Nice to meet you guys.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:16 - 1:28:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:18 - 1:28:21)
But we have concerns in that it's a dead-end street,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:21 - 1:28:25)
and a lot of the residents of Ingalls Terrace park on the street,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:26 - 1:28:27)
so this will be impacted greatly.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:28 - 1:28:30)
We have concerns about that.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:30 - 1:28:33)
We have concerns about the trucks, the debris,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:33 - 1:28:35)
the equipment,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:35 - 1:28:41)
you know, being there all the time, and I know that it comes with growth and it comes with development, and that's the way of the world,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:41 - 1:28:42)
and that's fine.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:42 - 1:28:44)
We're not opposed to this.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:44 - 1:28:50)
We just want a few assurances or get a sense of ideas and plans around removing debris.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:50 - 1:28:52)
And if a basement's going in,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:52 - 1:28:54)
are we talking digging?

[Speaker 10] (1:28:54 - 1:28:56)
Are we talking front-end loaders? What are we talking?

[Speaker 10] (1:28:56 - 1:28:58)
I'm glad there's no blasting. Thanks, Doug.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:58 - 1:29:11)
And things like that. We are concerned the house, even when it was occupied, had a number of animals living in the unit.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:11 - 1:29:14)
unit, especially in the, you can see in the roof where it's

[Speaker 4] (1:29:14 - 1:29:14)
You

[Speaker 10] (1:29:14 - 1:29:15)
rotted away.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:15 - 1:29:16)
talking about pets or or

[Speaker 10] (1:29:16 - 1:29:16)
Oh

[Speaker 4] (1:29:16 - 1:29:16)
animals

[Speaker 10] (1:29:16 - 1:29:17)
no, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:17 - 1:29:17)
that got

[Speaker 10] (1:29:17 - 1:29:17)
like

[Speaker 4] (1:29:17 - 1:29:17)
into

[Speaker 10] (1:29:17 - 1:29:17)
birds.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:17 - 1:29:18)
the house.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:18 - 1:29:19)
Birds,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
squirrels.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:19 - 1:29:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:19 - 1:29:20)
squirrels,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:20 - 1:29:21)
That's what I that's what

[Speaker 1] (1:29:21 - 1:29:21)
I my

[Speaker 2] (1:29:21 - 1:29:21)
thought it was.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:21 - 1:29:21)
things

[Speaker 3] (1:29:21 - 1:29:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:21 - 1:29:22)
Go ahead. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:22 - 1:29:24)
like that. I'm sorry, I didn't mean like puppies.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:25 - 1:29:29)
So we're concerned about once they're upended,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:29 - 1:29:30)
where are they going?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:30 - 1:29:37)
You know, are they going to live on the beach or are they going to go live at 20 angles or 28 angles or whatever it is in 30 angles exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:38 - 1:29:42)
So, and I mean, I know that comes with living by the water and it comes with living in.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:42 - 1:29:43)
Brenda and Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:43 - 1:29:44)
I'm not naive.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:44 - 1:29:53)
So we have had discussions and like I said, Doug has made himself very available to us all, but just more of the same moving forward would be great.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:55 - 1:29:58)
So I can address the pets while getting a building permit and everything.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:59 - 1:30:05)
I have to have a pest control plan in place for the building department when I pull a building permit

[Speaker 2] (1:30:05 - 1:30:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:05 - 1:30:06)
if you want that.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:08 - 1:30:26)
There's not much I can do when they leave because we will be evicting everything that's there but there will be a pest person in sight Richie the bug guy will be there to trap the place do the whole thing that it needs to be as far as the truck we will have a couple dump trucks that come in to dig out the dirt and dig it

[Speaker 4] (1:30:28 - 1:30:36)
And whatever, we'll be digging out whatever the foundation is with a dump truck and a small excavator, not a big anything really.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:36 - 1:30:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:37 - 1:30:42)
And he'll put it in the truck and take it and leave some on site so when we backfill that way.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:43 - 1:30:46)
We are going to be making a mess for six months.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:46 - 1:30:52)
The goal is six is a little under. And at night I will make sure this...

[Speaker 4] (1:30:52 - 1:30:58)
Everything's wrapped up clean, safe for everyone like that, like any typical construction job that I do.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:59 - 1:31:11)
Yeah, I think that, no, I appreciate that. And I think one of the other things of concern is given, you know, these older homes are exterior wall to uh your exterior wall is, I

[Speaker 1] (1:31:11 - 1:31:11)
Very

[Speaker 5] (1:31:11 - 1:31:12)
think, at close, least 20 feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:12 - 1:31:12)
right.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:12 - 1:31:12)
So it's really

[Speaker 1] (1:31:12 - 1:31:12)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:12 - 1:31:18)
close. And so we're concerned about if, you know, the integrity, the compromise of

[Speaker 1] (1:31:19 - 1:31:26)
Our foundation or our wall structure or anything will be compromised in any way throughout this concern.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:26 - 1:31:35)
And I know, Doug, you and I have talked about parking, you know, on the car that is that driveway that's kind of shared. It's a.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:35 - 1:31:36)
Is

[Speaker 1] (1:31:36 - 1:31:36)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:31:36 - 1:31:37)
it split down the middle?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:39)
split down the middle and it's that way.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:39 - 1:31:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:39 - 1:31:43)
We So when I go after it I'm going to paint her driveway when we do the pavement over

[Speaker 5] (1:31:43 - 1:31:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:43 - 1:31:43)
there.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:44 - 1:31:53)
I'm going to pull her driveway if we give permission and everything and we will repave that little section on both sides so it just makes sense to do it right then.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:53 - 1:31:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:54 - 1:31:58)
The one thing I would comment on your question around the rodents and the...

[Speaker 6] (1:31:59 - 1:32:09)
the birds and all of that, um this will actually they'll you're gonna move through a phase where they'll be disturbed but then when you don't have that

[Speaker 6] (1:32:09 - 1:32:13)
as a nesting area it will actually improve things

[Speaker 1] (1:32:13 - 1:32:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:14 - 1:32:18)
in the future. We had a we had a neighbor's house that was infested with pigeons when we first moved here.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:18 - 1:32:33)
And uh they got a really clever cat and it was a huge like we were not fighting pigeons we had pigeons all over our house and we couldn't get rid of them. But they were nesting at the neighbor's. Once that nest was gone it it did did change things.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:33 - 1:32:36)
So you know moving forward that building moving from its

[Speaker 6] (1:32:37 - 1:32:43)
Current condition you will see you know an improvement not only visually, but a lot of the things like

[Speaker 1] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:43 - 1:32:45)
infestation issues and so forth

[Speaker 1] (1:32:45 - 1:32:46)
Yeah, I mean the design is unbelievable.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:46 - 1:32:48)
They don't know lot lines

[Speaker 5] (1:32:48 - 1:32:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:48 - 1:32:51)
Yeah, it's going to improve the neighborhood.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:51 - 1:32:56)
Like you said, it's not going to be the ugliest house in the hood and

[Speaker 2] (1:32:56 - 1:32:56)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:56 - 1:32:56)
it's

[Speaker 2] (1:32:56 - 1:32:57)
and then it will

[Speaker 1] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57)
just a beautiful

[Speaker 2] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57)
also,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57)
design.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:57 - 1:33:03)
I think it will also kind of really beautify the...

[Speaker 2] (1:33:03 - 1:33:22)
I mean there are some advantages and I understand the concerns, I really do. Um I understand the concerns um but the lot that's empty there is, you know, it's really overgrown with bracken and, you know, all kinds of of of invasive species.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:23 - 1:33:48)
stuff that gets that's what happens when when places are abandoned like that and not used that you don't end up with kind of this beautiful like little green plush you know park area you end up with a mess that has a lot of invasive species and and you know messy it's you know I tried to fight my way through there but and it traps garbage it you know it just it's not

[Speaker 2] (1:33:49 - 1:33:51)
necessarily a good thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:51 - 1:34:02)
I think that there's also quite a bit of growth at the edge of the lot that is unintentional. I think that will, you know, people are concerned about their views. If anything,

[Speaker 2] (1:34:02 - 1:34:06)
it would, it's going to clean up that edge there and improve.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:08 - 1:34:34)
improve the views and at the same time you know we want to be mindful of drainage so that's going to be a huge huge consideration in terms of you know paying attention to that edge and where's all the water going to go because you are taking what's now a pervious lot and displacing it so and because it drops right down on the ledge I mean that's something that I'd want to understand what the drainage plan.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:34 - 1:34:36)
Here is going to be uh

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:49)
The drywall on the corners of the building, provisions for the water to be able to go in the right locations, to push out that way or this way. Well, corners that I need to, you

[Speaker 5] (1:34:49 - 1:34:49)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:49 - 1:34:50)
can't be pushing water places.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:51 - 1:34:56)
Well, especially not into raw because that's that's what you don't want to see, right?

[Speaker 4] (1:34:56 - 1:34:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:56 - 1:34:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:57 - 1:34:58)
Okay, we have

[Speaker 4] (1:34:58 - 1:34:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:58 - 1:34:59)
additional public

[Speaker 4] (1:34:59 - 1:34:59)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:59 - 1:35:00)
comment to move it along.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:00 - 1:35:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:01 - 1:35:11)
Hi, my name is Ivan Sever. I lived across the street for the past eighteen years. I've sold my house uh in the end of summer, this last summer.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:12 - 1:35:22)
So I'm not really involved. I'm just wondering about the huge tree that's on the empty lot. Was that was the only thing that was interfering with unobstructed views.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:23 - 1:35:26)
So I think it's gonna be removed, right, to make room

[Speaker 4] (1:35:26 - 1:35:27)
The one right in the middle in the back.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:27 - 1:35:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:28 - 1:35:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:28 - 1:35:29)
There's a huge pine tree

[Speaker 4] (1:35:29 - 1:35:29)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:35:29 - 1:35:29)
there.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:29 - 1:35:30)
a huge pine tree

[Speaker 2] (1:35:30 - 1:35:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:30 - 1:35:30)
there.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:31 - 1:35:33)
No, it's it's a it's a

[Speaker 2] (1:35:33 - 1:35:34)
I think it's pine tree, but

[Speaker 8] (1:35:34 - 1:35:35)
it's a maple.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:35 - 1:35:35)
uh

[Speaker 4] (1:35:35 - 1:35:37)
Oh, the elm wood in the back.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:37 - 1:35:39)
It it's a it's a maple tree.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:39 - 1:35:40)
Is it a maple?

[Speaker 8] (1:35:40 - 1:35:42)
Yeah, Nor Norwegian maple.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:42 - 1:35:45)
It's a Nor uh an yeah, a Norway maple. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:45 - 1:35:45)
So

[Speaker 8] (1:35:45 - 1:35:45)
The maple.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:45 - 1:35:46)
what role is the prune?

[Speaker 2] (1:35:46 - 1:35:47)
Again a weed.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:48 - 1:35:54)
I don't want to really take change as a tree next to Emily in their lot right there too.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:54 - 1:35:59)
The pine that's next to your house is one of those pines that drops sap on

[Speaker 2] (1:35:59 - 1:35:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:59 - 1:36:14)
your cars and it's overgrown and it's nothing so I was going to take those out but that one tree that you're talking about I was going to have my arborist there and just prune it all up and just take anything dead and just clear it a little bit because it is a nice tree in the middle of the lot.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:15 - 1:36:20)
I know it takes view away from up on the hill, but it is a nice lot tree right there.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:21 - 1:36:22)
Same with the one

[Speaker 5] (1:36:22 - 1:36:22)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:36:22 - 1:36:22)
next

[Speaker 5] (1:36:22 - 1:36:23)
not

[Speaker 4] (1:36:23 - 1:36:23)
to it.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:23 - 1:36:26)
it's not rooting it. I mean they typically don't have huge root

[Speaker 4] (1:36:26 - 1:36:26)
They don't,

[Speaker 5] (1:36:26 - 1:36:26)
balls,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:26 - 1:36:26)
and they're

[Speaker 5] (1:36:26 - 1:36:26)
but

[Speaker 4] (1:36:26 - 1:36:28)
into that straight ledge right where that is.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:28 - 1:36:29)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 4] (1:36:29 - 1:36:30)
They're not worried about the tree.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:30 - 1:36:31)
Okay

[Speaker 6] (1:36:33 - 1:36:34)
We'll have an arborist look at it to erase what you're

[Speaker 4] (1:36:34 - 1:36:35)
I already

[Speaker 6] (1:36:35 - 1:36:35)
saying.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:35 - 1:36:41)
had a couple of arborists there already, because they're going to take all the curb in and just clean it before it.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
Maybe

[Speaker 9] (1:36:44 - 1:36:52)
Hi there. So nice to see everyone. Uh my name's Tia Esty. I live a couple houses back from the property of interest. I just wanted

[Speaker 2] (1:36:52 - 1:36:52)
Back

[Speaker 9] (1:36:52 - 1:36:52)
to follow up

[Speaker 2] (1:36:52 - 1:36:53)
meeting

[Speaker 9] (1:36:53 - 1:36:53)
in

[Speaker 2] (1:36:53 - 1:36:53)
up the hill.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:53 - 1:36:54)
yep up

[Speaker 2] (1:36:54 - 1:36:54)
Okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:36:54 - 1:36:54)
the hill yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:54 - 1:36:54)
okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:54 - 1:37:10)
Um on Rockland Street. So I had a question as a follow-up to what Emily brought up around parking and then also Ivan's point around um the landscaping. So just to confirm the the property would have the same amount of parking that it does today. You guys aren't planning on building any

[Speaker 9] (1:37:10 - 1:37:14)
in any new parking spaces, whatever exists plus the on-street parking is what

[Speaker 4] (1:37:14 - 1:37:14)
No,

[Speaker 9] (1:37:14 - 1:37:14)
is

[Speaker 4] (1:37:14 - 1:37:14)
we're gonna

[Speaker 9] (1:37:14 - 1:37:14)
there.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:14 - 1:37:15)
add

[Speaker 10] (1:37:15 - 1:37:15)
We're at

[Speaker 4] (1:37:15 - 1:37:15)
spaces.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:15 - 1:37:16)
a three spaces.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:16 - 1:37:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:18 - 1:37:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:18 - 1:37:20)
But we're losing three on the street.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:20 - 1:37:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:22 - 1:37:23)
Well, I don't know if No, you don't have

[Speaker 6] (1:37:23 - 1:37:23)
I don't think three.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:23 - 1:37:24)
No,

[Speaker 6] (1:37:24 - 1:37:24)
you

[Speaker 4] (1:37:24 - 1:37:25)
because

[Speaker 6] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
you'd be losing.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
there are

[Speaker 10] (1:37:25 - 1:37:26)
Maybe like

[Speaker 4] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
there

[Speaker 10] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
one and

[Speaker 4] (1:37:26 - 1:37:27)
is

[Speaker 10] (1:37:27 - 1:37:27)
a half.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:27 - 1:37:30)
there's a break in the bushes that we just cut to make a driveway.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:34 - 1:37:38)
But it the width of three parking spots isn't three cars, because that's

[Speaker 4] (1:37:38 - 1:37:38)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:38 - 1:37:39)
they're coming in

[Speaker 8] (1:37:39 - 1:37:40)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:40 - 1:37:40)
forward.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:41 - 1:37:41)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:41 - 1:37:42)
That's what I that's what I mean.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:42 - 1:37:42)
Um

[Speaker 6] (1:37:42 - 1:37:43)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:43 - 1:37:43)
or mirror.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:43 - 1:37:47)
The cut will be wider than the standard driveway, but it won't be three car lengths.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:48 - 1:37:52)
Um so you wouldn't be adding cars um with this house.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:55 - 1:38:11)
You you kind of indicate to on and some one of them I forget which plant but that there you kind of had a kind had striping on the I mean what I prefer to see there is what we discussed earlier just like a little cobblestone thing something that's very subtle and a turn you know

[Speaker 4] (1:38:11 - 1:38:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:11 - 1:38:11)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:38:11 - 1:38:11)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:11 - 1:38:13)
delineates the parking spot that

[Speaker 10] (1:38:13 - 1:38:14)
Totally.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:14 - 1:38:20)
identifies it as a spot that belongs to that unit but that's not screaming parking

[Speaker 10] (1:38:20 - 1:38:21)
We like that too.

[Speaker 10] (1:38:21 - 1:38:21)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:38:21 - 1:38:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (1:38:21 - 1:38:22)
classy.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:22 - 1:38:22)
okay

[Speaker 6] (1:38:23 - 1:38:25)
Yeah. Do you have more public comment?

[Speaker 6] (1:38:26 - 1:38:26)
Nope.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:26 - 1:38:27)
I have one follow

[Speaker 6] (1:38:27 - 1:38:27)
Oh yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:38:27 - 1:38:27)
-up on that.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:27 - 1:38:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:28 - 1:38:28)
I'm sure.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:28 - 1:38:28)
Sure.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:28 - 1:38:38)
So tied to Ivan's. I am curious about the landscaping and how that could impact the view. You mentioned some trees you want to preserve. Are you planning on putting anything else that's going to be substantial with a lot of height?

[Speaker 4] (1:38:38 - 1:38:39)
Nothing higher.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:39 - 1:38:39)
No.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:39 - 1:38:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:40 - 1:38:44)
Just all five foot, six foot stuff around the bottoms.

[Speaker 10] (1:38:44 - 1:38:44)
And bush.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:44 - 1:38:52)
I talked about replacing a fence with the really nice fence that I'm going to go around the whole side with because he has a chain link there.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:52 - 1:38:54)
Long as his dog stays all that matter.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:54 - 1:38:55)
Now to go up.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:57 - 1:38:58)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:59 - 1:39:00)
Thank Can't you.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:00 - 1:39:00)
get good.

[Speaker 11] (1:39:00 - 1:39:00)
Good?

[Speaker 5] (1:39:01 - 1:39:03)
I thought you said fencing all around. Did that come

[Speaker 4] (1:39:03 - 1:39:04)
Not your side.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:04 - 1:39:04)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:04 - 1:39:07)
Into the back, around, right to there.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:07 - 1:39:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:39:08 - 1:39:11)
So are there trees being removed? Trees larger than

[Speaker 4] (1:39:12 - 1:39:13)
There's a pine tree in

[Speaker 5] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13)
the corner.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14)
yeah, that has to go.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:16)
this house right there.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:16 - 1:39:18)
There's a lot of bracken and

[Speaker 1] (1:39:18 - 1:39:18)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:18 - 1:39:19)
just junk in there.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:23 - 1:39:23)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:39:23 - 1:39:23)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:39:23 - 1:39:24)
from this one

[Speaker 1] (1:39:24 - 1:39:24)
this

[Speaker 4] (1:39:24 - 1:39:27)
photograph it looks like there's a street tree out in front or is that

[Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:33)
It is. It's on our property, but it's just junk inside. I was just looking at it the other day.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:33 - 1:39:33)
And we

[Speaker 5] (1:39:33 - 1:39:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:39:33 - 1:39:33)
it's said

[Speaker 5] (1:39:33 - 1:39:33)
actually

[Speaker 4] (1:39:33 - 1:39:34)
there's junk

[Speaker 5] (1:39:34 - 1:39:34)
we're thinking

[Speaker 4] (1:39:34 - 1:39:34)
inside

[Speaker 5] (1:39:34 - 1:39:34)
about

[Speaker 4] (1:39:34 - 1:39:35)
meaning it's the

[Speaker 1] (1:39:35 - 1:39:37)
It's like a hole like going on the right bottom

[Speaker 3] (1:39:37 - 1:39:38)
It's the water. front, right? Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:38 - 1:39:39)
This little guy?

[Speaker 1] (1:39:39 - 1:39:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:40 - 1:39:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:41 - 1:39:42)
Oh, that's too bad. It's a nice size.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:42 - 1:39:43)
It is a nice

[Speaker 1] (1:39:43 - 1:39:43)
It is

[Speaker 3] (1:39:43 - 1:39:43)
so

[Speaker 1] (1:39:43 - 1:39:43)
a nice

[Speaker 3] (1:39:43 - 1:39:43)
there's

[Speaker 1] (1:39:43 - 1:39:43)
size.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:43 - 1:39:44)
a nice tree.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:44 - 1:39:45)
I said it to him Is the other

[Speaker 3] (1:39:45 - 1:39:45)
it a day. flowering

[Speaker 4] (1:39:45 - 1:39:46)
The intent

[Speaker 3] (1:39:46 - 1:39:46)
tree?

[Speaker 4] (1:39:46 - 1:39:48)
was to save if we could save it. That was what

[Speaker 3] (1:39:48 - 1:39:48)
It would have

[Speaker 4] (1:39:48 - 1:39:48)
we were

[Speaker 3] (1:39:48 - 1:39:48)
a little flowering

[Speaker 4] (1:39:48 - 1:39:49)
aiming for.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:49 - 1:39:49)
Chat to

[Speaker 3] (1:39:49 - 1:39:49)
tree there.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:49 - 1:39:50)
your arborist.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:50 - 1:39:55)
I would be happy if there was a tree there because I want it to look like that on the thing too.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:55 - 1:40:06)
I mean just the ones that you know you can get I don't have to tell you you can get the dwarf flowering tree that's not going to you know bother anyone that that just adds a lot of It softness.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:06 - 1:40:07)
will make the front of that little.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:07 - 1:40:07)
little corner

[Speaker 3] (1:40:07 - 1:40:07)
without

[Speaker 1] (1:40:07 - 1:40:08)
really nice right there.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:08 - 1:40:11)
cluttering up you know anyone's viewpoint.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:13 - 1:40:30)
You know it's interesting to think about like from the people that live up the hill a little bit that that there would be concerns about you know you can see how you'd say oh you know take down those big trees so I have a better view on the other hand you're like that tree's so nice I don't want it to come down so it's you know you've kind of got yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:30 - 1:40:30)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:31 - 1:40:37)
Um, I don't know if it might make sense to kind of look at the property and see what's um Yes, sir.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:37 - 1:40:42)
The tree actually is the only shade I get. I have no trees on my property,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:42 - 1:40:45)
so in the morning it wraps over the house. Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:40:45 - 1:40:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:45 - 1:40:45)
you.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:45 - 1:40:46)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:40:46 - 1:40:47)
I'm Theo Carangelo, 30

[Speaker 3] (1:40:47 - 1:40:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:47 - 1:40:48)
Newton's Terrace.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:48 - 1:40:50)
And I'm assuming you like that. Is that good?

[Speaker 1] (1:40:50 - 1:40:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:51 - 1:40:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:52 - 1:40:57)
Well, and I think I think that area is because of the parking issues the house is an old street

[Speaker 4] (1:40:58 - 1:41:01)
It's a pre-car street and sometimes

[Speaker 1] (1:41:01 - 1:41:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:01 - 1:41:03)
those are the ones that get lost to blacktop.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:03 - 1:41:03)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:03 - 1:41:08)
And that's the one thing up there, I think that that that whole area

[Speaker 4] (1:41:10 - 1:41:12)
is over blacktop and it's you

[Speaker 3] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
know it's

[Speaker 3] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
it's

[Speaker 3] (1:41:12 - 1:41:13)
everything else.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:13 - 1:41:21)
like one of the there's a number of things in there I'd love to see the town actually create a plan for up there, because what's happened right now is it's blacktop building,

[Speaker 3] (1:41:21 - 1:41:21)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:41:21 - 1:41:21)
the then building,

[Speaker 3] (1:41:21 - 1:41:22)
just paved over,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:22 - 1:41:23)
it's

[Speaker 3] (1:41:23 - 1:41:23)
it

[Speaker 4] (1:41:23 - 1:41:23)
just been

[Speaker 3] (1:41:23 - 1:41:23)
is,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:23 - 1:41:23)
paved and

[Speaker 3] (1:41:23 - 1:41:23)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:23 - 1:41:24)
paved and paved.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:24 - 1:41:25)
Especially on the uh the

[Speaker 4] (1:41:25 - 1:41:25)
Um

[Speaker 3] (1:41:25 - 1:41:26)
uphill side is

[Speaker 1] (1:41:26 - 1:41:26)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:41:26 - 1:41:27)
just

[Speaker 1] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
so if

[Speaker 3] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
completely

[Speaker 1] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
there was down

[Speaker 3] (1:41:27 - 1:41:28)
paved

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:28)
the this

[Speaker 3] (1:41:28 - 1:41:28)
over.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:30)
is done. I'll push Gino to put that on the paving

[Speaker 4] (1:41:30 - 1:41:31)
But that's

[Speaker 1] (1:41:31 - 1:41:31)
list

[Speaker 4] (1:41:31 - 1:41:37)
that's the thing is is um this is an example of uh a Swamsket street that

[Speaker 4] (1:41:38 - 1:41:47)
has been paved for utility, but it's actually it's sort of uncomfortable at this point as a pedestrian to come down the steps and just you land in parking lot.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:48 - 1:41:48)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:48 - 1:41:49)
You don't have a sidewalk.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:49 - 1:42:01)
So if there was a way for the town to evaluate it and uh and see if we could have some planning in there, I think that that would be a big benefit. Has you know and you can pay f no. But you

[Speaker 7] (1:42:01 - 1:42:01)
But,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:01 - 1:42:04)
know it is it is a case that I actually think um

[Speaker 1] (1:42:04 - 1:42:08)
I will think about that because I'm going to think of everything on this, because we want this to really

[Speaker 4] (1:42:08 - 1:42:09)
Well, I was gonna

[Speaker 1] (1:42:09 - 1:42:09)
show

[Speaker 4] (1:42:09 - 1:42:09)
say

[Speaker 1] (1:42:09 - 1:42:10)
well, sell well,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:10 - 1:42:11)
make

[Speaker 8] (1:42:11 - 1:42:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:11 - 1:42:13)
the neighbours happy when it's done

[Speaker 4] (1:42:13 - 1:42:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:13 - 1:42:14)
out there. I I've

[Speaker 4] (1:42:14 - 1:42:15)
think Because I think that would be one thing

[Speaker 1] (1:42:15 - 1:42:16)
I'll that be here for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:16 - 1:42:16)
for

[Speaker 4] (1:42:16 - 1:42:16)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:42:16 - 1:42:16)
that.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:16 - 1:42:18)
would help the values on that street

[Speaker 3] (1:42:18 - 1:42:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:18 - 1:42:27)
would be how the town is maintaining the the the thing because right now it's just maximized for parking um and that has some really amazing elements.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:27 - 1:42:33)
And you know um yeah. Trucks have to back in there anyway, so I mean there's a lot about that that's just not gonna change.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:33 - 1:42:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:34 - 1:42:34)
Um

[Speaker 9] (1:42:34 - 1:42:36)
Is there any more public comment?

[Speaker 4] (1:42:36 - 1:42:39)
Uh I don't think so. No, right. Is there is there anyone online?

[Speaker 10] (1:42:43 - 1:42:44)
Is there anyone on line?

[Speaker 1] (1:42:47 - 1:42:47)
Um it

[Speaker 4] (1:42:47 - 1:42:48)
hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
I have a question

[Speaker 1] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
means I'm

[Speaker 3] (1:42:48 - 1:42:49)
for you.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:49 - 1:42:49)
I'm not seeing hands

[Speaker 3] (1:42:49 - 1:42:50)
I'm

[Speaker 4] (1:42:50 - 1:42:50)
raised.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:50 - 1:42:51)
sorry. I

[Speaker 1] (1:42:51 - 1:42:51)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (1:42:51 - 1:42:51)
have a think question

[Speaker 1] (1:42:51 - 1:42:52)
so.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:52 - 1:42:54)
for you about um uh were there hands raised? I'm

[Speaker 4] (1:42:54 - 1:42:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:54 - 1:42:54)
sorry.

[Speaker 10] (1:42:54 - 1:42:55)
No, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:55 - 1:42:57)
Um trash.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:58 - 1:42:59)
Oh, good question.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:59 - 1:43:01)
Where's trash gonna go and who's

[Speaker 1] (1:43:01 - 1:43:01)
At

[Speaker 3] (1:43:01 - 1:43:01)
you know

[Speaker 1] (1:43:01 - 1:43:01)
the beginning

[Speaker 3] (1:43:01 - 1:43:02)
and

[Speaker 1] (1:43:02 - 1:43:04)
it will be a dumpster when I plan it for the homeowners.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:04 - 1:43:05)
Residents.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:05 - 1:43:05)
For the owners.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:05 - 1:43:06)
When you sell them.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:07 - 1:43:08)
Your question?

[Speaker 4] (1:43:08 - 1:43:09)
I'll be in barrels.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:09 - 1:43:10)
Do peer barrels.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:10 - 1:43:15)
Yeah, but we should, you know, when we look at a project like this, we want to see them, we want

[Speaker 1] (1:43:15 - 1:43:18)
We'll put it in as a condition that I need to come up with something for you.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:19 - 1:43:20)
We will come up with

[Speaker 3] (1:43:20 - 1:43:20)
There

[Speaker 1] (1:43:20 - 1:43:20)
a trash can.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:20 - 1:43:22)
needs to be some kind of shed shielding

[Speaker 1] (1:43:22 - 1:43:22)
Totally agree.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:22 - 1:43:25)
that you know we

[Speaker 1] (1:43:25 - 1:43:25)
I don't want the neighbors

[Speaker 3] (1:43:25 - 1:43:26)
know we

[Speaker 1] (1:43:26 - 1:43:26)
to know what's in it.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:26 - 1:43:34)
well we just whenever we do any kind of multifamily which is you know what we're going to call this simply because it's it's even though it's by right yep

[Speaker 1] (1:43:34 - 1:43:37)
So the left side building next to Emily,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:37 - 1:43:41)
that has like a little garage door and a space down on the back

[Speaker 3] (1:43:41 - 1:43:41)
yep

[Speaker 1] (1:43:41 - 1:43:42)
left.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:43 - 1:43:52)
But they're kind of the left tenant will be using that and the right tenant will be coming out the back right side of there So it would be behind the back deck probably both of them

[Speaker 3] (1:43:53 - 1:43:56)
Okay, and there could be some kind of little shaded unit.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:56 - 1:43:57)
No problem

[Speaker 3] (1:43:57 - 1:44:00)
It doesn't have to be extravagant, but something

[Speaker 1] (1:44:00 - 1:44:00)
I built

[Speaker 3] (1:44:00 - 1:44:01)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
one in

[Speaker 3] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
is

[Speaker 1] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
71

[Speaker 3] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
buffered.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:01 - 1:44:03)
Sheridan from Marilyn Cassidy

[Speaker 3] (1:44:03 - 1:44:03)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:44:03 - 1:44:03)
and and

[Speaker 3] (1:44:03 - 1:44:07)
so you want something that's, you know, something that's...

[Speaker 3] (1:44:08 - 1:44:10)
What do you call it? You know, buffered,

[Speaker 4] (1:44:10 - 1:44:10)
Protective.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:10 - 1:44:11)
some kind of buffer.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:11 - 1:44:11)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:11 - 1:44:13)
Okay. And snow removal.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:13 - 1:44:17)
If this is, so are they going to be condos and there'll be a condo association?

[Speaker 1] (1:44:17 - 1:44:18)
Nope.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:18 - 1:44:19)
Who's going to take care of landscaping

[Speaker 1] (1:44:19 - 1:44:19)
No, those will

[Speaker 3] (1:44:19 - 1:44:20)
snow

[Speaker 1] (1:44:20 - 1:44:20)
be taking

[Speaker 3] (1:44:20 - 1:44:20)
remover?

[Speaker 1] (1:44:20 - 1:44:21)
care of the snow themselves.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:21 - 1:44:22)
They will.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:22 - 1:44:22)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:22 - 1:44:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:24 - 1:44:26)
I don't like to put that in my condo dogs.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:27 - 1:44:28)
I mean, yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:44:28 - 1:44:33)
the intention is that people own it on both sides, not to, we're not condo guys.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:33 - 1:44:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:44:34 - 1:44:39)
I think I'm comfortable making a motion, or just maybe we want through quickly this the

[Speaker 1] (1:44:39 - 1:44:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (1:44:39 - 1:44:40)
approval criteria.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:40 - 1:44:40)
Yep, let's do that.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:42 - 1:44:58)
Okay. Alright, number one. Uh minimise the volume of cut and fill, the number of removed trees, six inch caliper or larger, the length of removed stone wall uh stone walls, the area of wetland vegetation displaced, the extent of storm water flow increase from the site

[Speaker 1] (1:44:59 - 1:45:01)
Soil erosion and threat of air and water pollution.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:02 - 1:45:14)
I think we're comfortable that the trees being removed are required to be removed and that they are minimizing the volume of cut and fill. Unless anyone has anything else to say there.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:15 - 1:45:21)
Maximize pedestrian and vehicular safety both on-site and egressing from it.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:21 - 1:45:23)
That's what we're just talking about,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:23 - 1:45:26)
but adding the parking spaces I think helps to achieve that.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:27 - 1:45:37)
Minimize obstruction of scenic views from publicly accessible locations. We discussed the height of the new trees going in, so I think that is sufficiently addressed.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:37 - 1:45:42)
I mean obviously they're putting a new building on there, but this is just an obligation to minimize.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:43 - 1:45:47)
Minimize visual intrusion by controlling the visibility of parking,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:47 - 1:45:51)
storage or other outdoor service areas viewed from public ways.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:52 - 1:46:04)
or premises residentially used or zoned. I mean the parking is gonna be visible, but like we just discussed, it will add a condition, I think, to shield trash uh

[Speaker 3] (1:46:04 - 1:46:04)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:46:04 - 1:46:05)
and

[Speaker 3] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
HVAC.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:05 - 1:46:06)
that sort of thing. And HVAC.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:06 - 1:46:07)
That'd be good.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:07 - 1:46:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:08 - 1:46:10)
Pick a fence or open lattice around it.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:10 - 1:46:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:13 - 1:46:18)
Minimize glare from headlights and lighting intrusion. Um

[Speaker 4] (1:46:19 - 1:46:22)
We didn't really discuss this, I don't is there any

[Speaker 11] (1:46:22 - 1:46:24)
It it's as minimised as we can practically

[Speaker 4] (1:46:24 - 1:46:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 11] (1:46:24 - 1:46:24)
think about.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:24 - 1:46:24)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:24 - 1:46:25)
right, yeah.

[Speaker 12] (1:46:25 - 1:46:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:25 - 1:46:26)
Yeah. So they

[Speaker 11] (1:46:26 - 1:46:26)
It's

[Speaker 3] (1:46:26 - 1:46:26)
start

[Speaker 11] (1:46:26 - 1:46:27)
not like there's making any curves

[Speaker 3] (1:46:27 - 1:46:27)
cars

[Speaker 11] (1:46:27 - 1:46:27)
where we're adding

[Speaker 3] (1:46:27 - 1:46:28)
and like

[Speaker 11] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
headlight

[Speaker 3] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
the Cimarron

[Speaker 4] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
right.

[Speaker 11] (1:46:28 - 1:46:29)
curvature.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:29 - 1:46:29)
and they're not even

[Speaker 12] (1:46:29 - 1:46:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:29 - 1:46:29)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:29 - 1:46:31)
aligning like they are now.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:31 - 1:46:36)
Right. Uh minimise unreasonable departure from the character and materials and scale of buildings in the vicinity.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:36 - 1:46:37)
The vicinity.

[Speaker 12] (1:46:37 - 1:46:38)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:38 - 1:46:40)
It thank you, as viewed from public ways and places. I think

[Speaker 1] (1:46:41 - 1:46:41)
Or

[Speaker 11] (1:46:41 - 1:46:41)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:46:41 - 1:46:41)
agreed

[Speaker 11] (1:46:41 - 1:46:41)
good.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:41 - 1:46:44)
that this is pretty in line with the character.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:45 - 1:46:52)
Minimize contamination of groundwater from on-site wastewater disposal systems or operations on the premises involving the use,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:52 - 1:46:55)
storage, handling, or containment of hazardous substances.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:55 - 1:46:57)
I don't think we really have any concerns there.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:58 - 1:47:01)
Ensure compliance with the provisions of this zoning by-law,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:01 - 1:47:05)
including parking and landscaping. I think we're satisfied there.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:05 - 1:47:10)
Minimize adverse traffic impact of the proposed project.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:10 - 1:47:18)
Um, I think to minimize traffic impacts to the extent practicable, given the nature of the street,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:18 - 1:47:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:19 - 1:47:29)
and minimize the hazard of coastal flooding taking into account the effects of long-term sea level rise and storm surge. I don't think we really have any concerns with that one here.

[Speaker 11] (1:47:30 - 1:47:32)
So I am comfortable motioning to uh

[Speaker 3] (1:47:33 - 1:47:36)
Can I make a before we make a motion can I have a couple of questions?

[Speaker 3] (1:47:37 - 1:47:41)
Two things first of all you're aware of the INI fee for adding the bedrooms,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:41 - 1:47:41)
okay

[Speaker 4] (1:47:41 - 1:47:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:42 - 1:47:43)
Just want to make sure and

[Speaker 1] (1:47:43 - 1:47:45)
They said you were going to waive that.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:46 - 1:47:46)
Hey,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:47 - 1:47:51)
yeah, you're you must have be confusing me with someone else

[Speaker 3] (1:47:54 - 1:47:54)
the

[Speaker 3] (1:47:55 - 1:47:56)
staging

[Speaker 3] (1:47:57 - 1:48:02)
Are you going to do one building first and then add another? Are you going to try to how are you going to how

[Speaker 1] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:02 - 1:48:03)
are you going to do this?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:03 - 1:48:05)
if we can get a foundation in this year,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:05 - 1:48:11)
I will. If my guy with the excavator can come and excavate the ground and we hit ledge,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:11 - 1:48:12)
we're going to pour foundation.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:13 - 1:48:15)
I already have my pipes aging over there.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:15 - 1:48:16)
I'm going to set up on the side of the building,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:17 - 1:48:21)
which basically only sticks off 20 inches of the building.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:22 - 1:48:22)
And we're going to

[Speaker 1] (1:48:23 - 1:48:31)
Leave the windows and the siding on when I demo the whole inside of the existing right now. Make sure my frame and everything's right.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:31 - 1:48:34)
And we need a foundation for me to build the other part.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:34 - 1:48:39)
But I'll get everything ready on the left side as it's going and as soon as the foundation's in the ground,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:40 - 1:48:42)
I'll frame on top of it and tie it all back in.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:42 - 1:48:48)
I'm not going to remove the roof until it's all up right there and then just tie it all in in one shot.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:48 - 1:48:50)
And what kind of materials are you going to use?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:51 - 1:48:52)
On

[Speaker 3] (1:48:52 - 1:48:53)
The house.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:53 - 1:48:53)
siding.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:53 - 1:48:53)
flat screen.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:53 - 1:48:54)
I think window.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:54 - 1:48:55)
Flat boards.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:56 - 1:48:56)
Flat

[Speaker 1] (1:48:56 - 1:48:56)
Probably

[Speaker 4] (1:48:56 - 1:48:57)
board like

[Speaker 1] (1:48:57 - 1:48:57)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:57 - 1:48:59)
we want to use uh modern material.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:59 - 1:48:59)
Sorry?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:00 - 1:49:01)
Modern material, composite trim,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:01 - 1:49:02)
What, hardy

[Speaker 1] (1:49:02 - 1:49:02)
stuff like that.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:02 - 1:49:04)
board? What? Uh

[Speaker 1] (1:49:04 - 1:49:07)
Hardee, maybe Hardee, but it's gonna be a looking like clapboard

[Speaker 4] (1:49:07 - 1:49:08)
It's gonna be a clapboard finish,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:08 - 1:49:08)
So, but it's

[Speaker 4] (1:49:08 - 1:49:08)
but

[Speaker 3] (1:49:08 - 1:49:09)
not going

[Speaker 4] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
not a

[Speaker 3] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
to vinyl. be

[Speaker 2] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
but

[Speaker 3] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
not

[Speaker 2] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
not

[Speaker 3] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
the

[Speaker 2] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
a

[Speaker 3] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
big

[Speaker 2] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
vinyl.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:09 - 1:49:10)
nothing

[Speaker 1] (1:49:10 - 1:49:10)
Not vinyl.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:10 - 1:49:10)
vinyl.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:10 - 1:49:11)
Not a no, not vinyl.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:11 - 1:49:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:11 - 1:49:12)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:12 - 1:49:15)
And then are with your windows are you planning true divided or

[Speaker 1] (1:49:15 - 1:49:22)
True divided, two over two, one by six on the outside with a band molding going all around with the

[Speaker 2] (1:49:22 - 1:49:23)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:23 - 1:49:27)
traditional colonial sill on the bottoms of all the windows.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:27 - 1:49:27)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:27 - 1:49:33)
Outside corner boards, the seven and a quarter rake board trims are gonna match.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:33 - 1:49:35)
match and stay on the new and bold shadow

[Speaker 4] (1:49:35 - 1:49:35)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:35 - 1:49:46)
board underneath the bottom of the rake right there so it's going to look that's not changing that upper view that I want to reuse all that staying right like it is

[Speaker 4] (1:49:46 - 1:49:47)
That's so much of the charm.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:47 - 1:49:47)
it's

[Speaker 4] (1:49:47 - 1:49:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
just

[Speaker 4] (1:49:48 - 1:49:48)
no,

[Speaker 4] (1:49:48 - 1:49:49)
really.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:49 - 1:49:53)
like we talked about that house is going to look 1855 that it was built

[Speaker 4] (1:49:53 - 1:49:54)
Awesome.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:55 - 1:50:00)
So, and I know we jokingly talked about color,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:00 - 1:50:00)
but.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:02 - 1:50:07)
And I know you don't want to hear this because those composite boards don't come in that color.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:07 - 1:50:08)
They come in every color they

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
ask

[Speaker 4] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
yeah oh

[Speaker 1] (1:50:08 - 1:50:09)
it.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09)
just you

[Speaker 4] (1:50:09 - 1:50:10)
yeah and they're

[Speaker 5] (1:50:10 - 1:50:25)
know if you could consider it and this I'm not saying it has to be that color but it's you know don't I mean no look my house is is like beige and white gray white so I'm not I'm not putting it down but you know honestly it's just don't

[Speaker 1] (1:50:25 - 1:50:26)
So I'm going to have my

[Speaker 5] (1:50:26 - 1:50:26)
don't

[Speaker 1] (1:50:26 - 1:50:26)
designer

[Speaker 5] (1:50:26 - 1:50:26)
do it don't

[Speaker 1] (1:50:26 - 1:50:27)
Emmett ask

[Speaker 5] (1:50:27 - 1:50:27)
do

[Speaker 1] (1:50:27 - 1:50:27)
AI.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:27 - 1:50:27)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:50:28 - 1:50:32)
What is the best color for historic 1858

[Speaker 4] (1:50:32 - 1:50:33)
AI is

[Speaker 1] (1:50:33 - 1:50:33)
house?

[Speaker 4] (1:50:33 - 1:50:35)
not your friend on that topic.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:35 - 1:50:35)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:35 - 1:50:35)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:50:38 - 1:50:38)
it will.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:38 - 1:50:38)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:38 - 1:50:40)
And I have no problem

[Speaker 5] (1:50:40 - 1:50:40)
They did,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:40 - 1:50:41)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:50:41 - 1:50:43)
with that at all because I do want the

[Speaker 5] (1:50:43 - 1:50:43)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:50:43 - 1:50:43)
comments.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:43 - 1:50:47)
would really make a difference, you know, it would really make a difference,

[Speaker 6] (1:50:47 - 1:50:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:47 - 1:50:48)
you know.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:49 - 1:50:53)
The HDC webpage has a list of preferred colors that you can reference also.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:53 - 1:50:55)
Thank you, Krista.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:55 - 1:50:56)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
Ted,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
that's

[Speaker 4] (1:50:56 - 1:50:57)
put the

[Speaker 5] (1:50:57 - 1:50:57)
a

[Speaker 4] (1:50:57 - 1:50:57)
red in.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:57 - 1:51:03)
strong recommendation. I mean, not something that we can condition, but I'd love to add that as a...

[Speaker 1] (1:51:03 - 1:51:05)
I appreciate your recommendations for sure

[Speaker 5] (1:51:05 - 1:51:05)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:05 - 1:51:05)
always.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:05 - 1:51:06)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:07 - 1:51:08)
That's what you're here for, the board.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:09 - 1:51:11)
With that, okay,

[Speaker 7] (1:51:11 - 1:51:17)
I'll make a motion to approve a site plan special permit for 24 to 28 Ingles Terrace.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:17 - 1:51:25)
With the conditions of a screened trash receptacle for both of the units and HVAC systems.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28)
I.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28)
I have a second.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:29 - 1:51:29)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:30 - 1:51:31)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 7] (1:51:31 - 1:51:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:31 - 1:51:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:33 - 1:51:36)
And I need to tell you what a great job Chris has done for us all.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:36 - 1:51:38)
That Chris has been excellent to work

[Speaker 1] (1:51:38 - 1:51:39)
with. She's been right on,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:39 - 1:51:39)
Yay.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:39 - 1:51:39)
absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:40 - 1:51:41)
Yes, she is.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:41 - 1:51:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:41 - 1:51:43)
Thank you, Christa.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:43 - 1:51:51)
I thought on your, when you're excavating your basement, if it is not full height and not usable as a basement, consider integrating your trash storage into it.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:51 - 1:51:52)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:53 - 1:51:54)
That's uh that's

[Speaker 1] (1:51:54 - 1:51:57)
The left side will work, because that's a patch door right there that will work.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:57 - 1:51:57)
But

[Speaker 5] (1:51:57 - 1:51:58)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:51:58 - 1:51:58)
it

[Speaker 5] (1:51:58 - 1:51:58)
where

[Speaker 4] (1:51:58 - 1:51:58)
it's

[Speaker 5] (1:51:58 - 1:51:59)
is the next front

[Speaker 4] (1:51:59 - 1:51:59)
that's

[Speaker 5] (1:51:59 - 1:51:59)
here that

[Speaker 4] (1:51:59 - 1:51:59)
the way it was

[Speaker 5] (1:51:59 - 1:51:59)
they're

[Speaker 4] (1:51:59 - 1:52:08)
done on my house and it's an exterior entrance built You know stone wall around it and I never want to not have a house without a trap room.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:08 - 1:52:09)
Thank you guys.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:09 - 1:52:09)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (1:52:09 - 1:52:09)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:52:09 - 1:52:10)
Thank

[Speaker 7] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
you.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
you. you.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
Good

[Speaker 1] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
Really

[Speaker 5] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
luck.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:10 - 1:52:11)
appreciate

[Speaker 4] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
I I

[Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
it.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:11 - 1:52:12)
make call with

[Speaker 1] (1:52:14 - 1:52:14)
Come on.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:14 - 1:52:15)
And I'd love

[Speaker 1] (1:52:15 - 1:52:15)
Right

[Speaker 4] (1:52:15 - 1:52:15)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:52:15 - 1:52:16)
now I

[Speaker 4] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
get inside

[Speaker 1] (1:52:16 - 1:52:18)
need you guys to look at it

[Speaker 5] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
together.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
yeah

[Speaker 5] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:18 - 1:52:18)
we go together.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:18 - 1:52:19)
and we

[Speaker 1] (1:52:19 - 1:52:19)
We

[Speaker 4] (1:52:19 - 1:52:20)
have

[Speaker 1] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
have

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have to show a beer

[Speaker 1] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
up

[Speaker 4] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
company

[Speaker 1] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
it to you.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
watching

[Speaker 7] (1:52:20 - 1:52:21)
Thanks again.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:21 - 1:52:22)
And come by while

[Speaker 5] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
We'll

[Speaker 1] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
we're building

[Speaker 5] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
watch

[Speaker 1] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
it too.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:22 - 1:52:23)
you.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:23 - 1:52:23)
That's a lot of fun.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:23 - 1:52:24)
We'll watch.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:24 - 1:52:24)
Yep

[Speaker 7] (1:52:24 - 1:52:24)
Definitely.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:24 - 1:52:25)
We'll definitely have a look.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:25 - 1:52:29)
Carissa, do we, are the folks ready for the presentation? Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:29 - 1:52:29)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:30 - 1:52:30)
We'll share.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:30 - 1:52:32)
All right, thanks guys.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:32 - 1:52:33)
You guys, does anybody have to go?

[Speaker 5] (1:52:33 - 1:52:35)
I should get through that tonight.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:35 - 1:52:37)
Which is all good.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:38 - 1:52:40)
This is really good.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:41 - 1:52:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:41 - 1:52:41)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:42 - 1:52:42)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 9] (1:52:44 - 1:52:45)
What do we have left?

[Speaker 4] (1:52:45 - 1:52:48)
We have a presentation by MAPC.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:48 - 1:52:48)
Master

[Speaker 5] (1:52:48 - 1:52:48)
For a

[Speaker 7] (1:52:48 - 1:52:49)
plan.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:49 - 1:52:49)
master plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:49 - 1:52:50)
Hug the baby.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:51 - 1:52:51)
She's wonderful.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:52 - 1:52:52)
All

[Speaker 7] (1:52:52 - 1:52:52)
Beautiful,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:52 - 1:52:52)
right.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:52 - 1:52:53)
It belongs in the baby.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:53 - 1:52:53)
Thank Yeah, you very much.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:53 - 1:52:54)
it's my grad. And her

[Speaker 1] (1:52:54 - 1:52:54)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:52:54 - 1:52:54)
name?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:54 - 1:52:55)
you very much.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:55 - 1:52:55)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:55 - 1:52:55)
I appreciate

[Speaker 4] (1:52:55 - 1:52:55)
yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:55 - 1:52:55)
it.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:55 - 1:52:56)
Yeah, thanks. We'll call you.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:56 - 1:52:57)
Have a great job.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:57 - 1:52:57)
Please come.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:57 - 1:52:58)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:58 - 1:52:59)
No, we will.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:59 - 1:53:00)
Merit.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:00 - 1:53:00)
Bye.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:00 - 1:53:01)
Merit.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:01 - 1:53:01)
Have a good

[Speaker 7] (1:53:01 - 1:53:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:01 - 1:53:02)
day.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:02 - 1:53:02)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:02 - 1:53:03)
I'm really excited to be here.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:03 - 1:53:03)
Merit.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:03 - 1:53:04)
Maybe we'll call her.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:04 - 1:53:04)
Merit.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:04 - 1:53:04)
Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:06 - 1:53:06)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:06 - 1:53:06)
You could

[Speaker 5] (1:53:06 - 1:53:07)
so...

[Speaker 1] (1:53:07 - 1:53:07)
call it, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:07 - 1:53:08)
That would go over well.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:08 - 1:53:13)
Okay, so online we have Carlos from MAPC.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:13 - 1:53:14)
Guys, one second.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:14 - 1:53:15)
Folks in the back.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:16 - 1:53:17)
I walked in with a

[Speaker 4] (1:53:17 - 1:53:19)
Oh yeah, I got a new little hand right

[Speaker 7] (1:53:19 - 1:53:19)
Sorry,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:19 - 1:53:19)
there.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:19 - 1:53:22)
we've got a presentation we have to listen to.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:22 - 1:53:23)
Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:23 - 1:53:24)
I'm not supposed to be here.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:24 - 1:53:25)
Firefighters now.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:25 - 1:53:27)
You just said leave before the meeting goes.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:28 - 1:53:30)
I think we need a little bit of a four-day.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:33 - 1:53:34)
Nice to see people.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:34 - 1:53:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (1:53:35 - 1:53:36)
hello Carlos.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:37 - 1:53:38)
Good evening everyone.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:38 - 1:53:38)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:38 - 1:53:39)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 7] (1:53:39 - 1:53:40)
Hi Carlos

[Speaker 5] (1:53:40 - 1:53:41)
Hi Carlos.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:41 - 1:53:41)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:42 - 1:53:43)
Hello.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:49 - 1:53:50)
Should I proceed?

[Speaker 5] (1:53:50 - 1:53:50)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:50 - 1:53:51)
You're on take

[Speaker 5] (1:53:51 - 1:53:51)
yes,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:51 - 1:53:51)
it away.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:51 - 1:53:51)
yep,

[Speaker 5] (1:53:51 - 1:53:51)
please.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:51 - 1:53:52)
we're ready for you.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:52 - 1:53:53)
Oh, oh, I'm

[Speaker 4] (1:53:53 - 1:53:53)
Right at

[Speaker 1] (1:53:53 - 1:53:53)
sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:53 - 1:53:54)
the music.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:54 - 1:53:54)
That's good

[Speaker 1] (1:53:54 - 1:53:56)
All right. Good evening everyone.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:57 - 1:53:58)
The chair members of the planning board.

[Speaker 10] (1:53:59 - 1:54:00)
I'm Carlos Martinez.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:00 - 1:54:04)
I'm a principal planner with the MAPC Regional Planning Agency.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:05 - 1:54:28)
We've been working with Marcy and Krista from the town's office of economic and community development and tonight we'd like to present to you an executive summary of SpongeBob 2035 draft one of your updated master plan. We'll walk you through what we heard from the community and how we translated that into a guiding roadmap for your town.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:28 - 1:54:31)
And at the end, we have an overarching question for you,

[Speaker 10] (1:54:31 - 1:54:37)
which is, have we struck the right balance between ambition and achievability in terms of implementation?

[Speaker 10] (1:54:38 - 1:54:39)
And your feedback tonight,

[Speaker 10] (1:54:39 - 1:54:42)
as well as through a future public comment period,

[Speaker 10] (1:54:43 - 1:54:46)
will be able to help us finalize the final plan report for you.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:50 - 1:54:54)
So this plan reflects 18 months of community engagement.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:54 - 1:54:59)
There were three public forums with about 160 attendees.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:59 - 1:55:06)
We had 385 responses generating 1,800 individual comments.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:06 - 1:55:15)
The 27-member advisory group met six times and also gave feedback through two input exercises as well.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:16 - 1:55:38)
The process was designed to ensure that the final vision reflects community consensus from participating community members together with recommended best planning practices and along the way we've transparently showed how emerging and evolving consensus goals and strategies to show where they came from via the survey,

[Speaker 10] (1:55:38 - 1:55:43)
the ongoing advisory group discussions as well as the three public forums that we held.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:47 - 1:55:51)
So you're starting from a position of stating that first in strength,

[Speaker 10] (1:55:51 - 1:55:59)
in the recent past the town secured a municipal vulnerability preparedness MVP designation with action grant funding.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:59 - 1:56:14)
Also the town has advanced the MBTA Communities Act compliance as well as ADU bylaws that were approved recently and there were nearly $400,000 in complete streets funding secured.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:14 - 1:56:19)
Additionally, eight businesses were supported with $75,000 in facade grants,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:19 - 1:56:29)
and this plan proposes to accelerate this existing momentum while tackling bigger challenges that require a more sustained effort.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:33 - 1:56:38)
So we want to be clear about what the max plan is and isn't. It's a shared vision.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:38 - 1:56:40)
It's a flexible roadmap.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:41 - 1:56:44)
It's a good faith reflection of community consensus.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:44 - 1:56:46)
It's not legally binding.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:46 - 1:56:49)
It's not unanimous agreement.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:49 - 1:56:51)
It's also not rigid.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:51 - 1:56:54)
And it's not a final decision on the priorities.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:54 - 1:57:09)
Town staff together with a recommended implementation committee still can retain final discretion in terms of implementing the plan. And we've defined consensus pragmatically. It's that...

[Speaker 10] (1:57:10 - 1:57:13)
The community can collectively live with the direction,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:13 - 1:57:14)
generally speaking,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:14 - 1:57:16)
to move forward together.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:18 - 1:57:22)
Here's a snippet from the vision that emerged in the plan.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:23 - 1:57:24)
By 2035,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:24 - 1:57:26)
Swanstead will be a thriving,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:26 - 1:57:27)
resilient,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:27 - 1:57:29)
and inclusive cultural community,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:29 - 1:57:36)
offering diverse, affordable, and climate-ready housing with vibrant walkable hubs.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:37 - 1:57:40)
guided by transparent and collaborative governance.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:40 - 1:57:54)
Every word is intentional and it comes directly from the community input that we heard throughout the process and this is the North Star that guides everything and this is just a snippet of your actual full vision statement in the plan report.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:58 - 1:58:06)
There are four major themes that emerged consistently throughout the engagement and the input phase on housing.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:06 - 1:58:11)
Residents told us that the median home values and rents are outpacing income growth,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:12 - 1:58:17)
creating cost burdens for working families and limiting housing diversity.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:18 - 1:58:19)
On infrastructure,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:19 - 1:58:22)
aging systems require replacement or major rehabilitation.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:23 - 1:58:30)
Two-thirds of the public facility strategies that emerged were designated as high priority in the plan,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:30 - 1:58:35)
and that signals real urgency on climate resilience,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:35 - 1:58:36)
sea level rise,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:36 - 1:58:39)
increased storm intensity and flooding,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:39 - 1:58:41)
threatened infrastructure and property,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:41 - 1:58:44)
and finally on economic vitality.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:44 - 1:58:50)
Business districts face competition and priorities include supporting small businesses,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:50 - 1:58:52)
enhancing walkability,

[Speaker 10] (1:58:52 - 1:58:54)
and diversifying the economic base.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:55 - 1:59:00)
Notice the interconnections here and that these challenges don't stand alone.

[Speaker 10] (1:59:00 - 1:59:04)
They reinforce each other which means that our solutions also need to be

[Speaker 1] (1:59:14 - 1:59:18)
Here's how the plan is structured from vision to action.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:18 - 1:59:21)
We start with that one shared vision statement.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:21 - 1:59:27)
From there we've identified ten cross-cutting themes that apply across multiple topic areas,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:29)
things like equity,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:29 - 1:59:38)
sustainability and resilience. Those themes organize and touch on the eight specific planning topics or chapters in the plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:38 - 1:59:41)
topics like economic development,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:41 - 1:59:41)
open space,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:42 - 1:59:43)
transportation and housing.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:44 - 1:59:56)
And within those topics, we've identified 42 goals supported by 98 prioritized strategies which break down into 155 specific actions.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:57 - 2:00:01)
Each strategy is assigned to one of three priority tiers.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:01 - 2:00:04)
High priority for the first three years,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:04 - 2:00:07)
medium priority for the middle four years,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:07 - 2:00:10)
and low priority for 2033 and beyond.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:10 - 2:00:16)
beyond. The high priority strategies require action due to community consensus,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:16 - 2:00:17)
regulatory deadlines,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:17 - 2:00:20)
or infrastructure deficiencies.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:20 - 2:00:29)
The medium priority strategies warrant sustained multi-year efforts and the lower priority strategies support long-term implementation.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:30 - 2:00:35)
Now, what you see on the slide right now is the structure of draft one,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:35 - 2:00:42)
but there's a transition that we want to talk about in terms of capacity realities for implementation.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:45 - 2:00:57)
So the town team planning staff at the moment is conducting a capacity assessment pending some additional feedback. At the moment, the verdict is that about in draft one.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:58 - 2:01:23)
20 actions per year in the short term isn't realistic and we are working on adjusting the approach with a forthcoming draft 1.5 in order to do that in order to consolidate the strategies from 98 to 85 and and consolidate the actions from 155 to 134

[Speaker 1] (2:01:24 - 2:01:27)
Now more critically we're redistributing across time as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:27 - 2:01:37)
So the short-term strategies draw from 36 to 15 and the short-term actions drop from 61 to 25.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:38 - 2:01:51)
This is being done in order to recalibrate the vision with the implementation and it's being honest so that we can deliver visible wins while preparing for like long-term transformation for the community in the town.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:56 - 2:02:05)
So we've made three types of changes for the for the future draft 1.5 and each for a specific reason.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:05 - 2:02:06)
First,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:06 - 2:02:07)
consolidating for clarity,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:07 - 2:02:11)
merging 21 actions to strengthen implementation.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:12 - 2:02:13)
For example,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:13 - 2:02:16)
Vision Zero and Safe Routes to School are now combined.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:17 - 2:02:21)
Microtransit and EV charging are consolidated.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:22 - 2:02:26)
Parking management and bike facilities planning are integrated.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:26 - 2:02:28)
These weren't separate initiatives.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:28 - 2:02:30)
They were naturally connected,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:30 - 2:02:35)
but combining them will help make implementation more efficient moving forward for the town.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:36 - 2:02:36)
Second,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:37 - 2:02:38)
we also shifted from

[Speaker 1] (2:02:39 - 2:02:40)
for capacity,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:40 - 2:02:42)
some of the recommendations.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:43 - 2:02:56)
Major initiatives that would require significant staff time or community process or funding are being moved to the mid-term or the long-term horizon and that includes an overall zoning reclassification,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:57 - 2:02:59)
peer redevelopment studies,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:59 - 2:03:01)
municipal energy planning,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:01 - 2:03:04)
as well as historic preservation staffing.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:04 - 2:03:10)
These are still priorities, they're just not realistic for years one through three in the short term.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:10 - 2:03:11)
And third,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:11 - 2:03:18)
we're preserving as urgent some critical fix-it-first priorities remaining in the short term,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:18 - 2:03:21)
such as the King Street's water quality,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:21 - 2:03:23)
the rail trail completion,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:23 - 2:03:26)
as well as ADA accessibility improvements,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:27 - 2:03:30)
and financial stability planning.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:31 - 2:03:47)
stay its immediate priorities because they address urgent infrastructure deficiencies or there was clear community consensus on that and that brings us to like the trade-off discussion that we can have about these changes from draft one to draft 1.5

[Speaker 1] (2:03:49 - 2:04:05)
So this is what we're asking you to weigh in on tonight is on this on one side of the scale the refined plan strengthens three things it improves achievability by focusing staff on eight to ten actions per year instead of 20.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:06 - 2:04:11)
It enhances profitability by attempting to reduce staff burnout risk and implementation burnout risk,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:11 - 2:04:14)
ensuring a few visible short-term wins,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:15 - 2:04:22)
and also prioritizes stability by fixing some foundational infrastructure first. On the other side of the scale,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:22 - 2:04:28)
the refined plan delays progress on some urgent community priorities that we've heard,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:28 - 2:04:35)
such as multimodal connectivity, major transit improvements shift to the midterm after 2029.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:36 - 2:05:03)
on vibrant hubs zoning updates for Penn Square and the rail station or pause for approximately three years to the midterm and on climate change some municipal energy goals are moved to the long term the question we pose to you at the end of the presentation will be have we struck the right balance between being realistic and also being ambitious with the vision and that's the central question for you tonight as well as your feedback

[Speaker 1] (2:05:03 - 2:05:14)
as individuals entering the future public comment period when we announced that in order to address those concerns in the final draft to later in the season.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:15 - 2:05:19)
Now we'd like to show you what planned commits to deliver in the near term.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:22 - 2:05:24)
So despite the recalibration,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:24 - 2:05:27)
the short-term action plan is substantial and it's also tangible.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:28 - 2:05:36)
We're calling it the fix-it-first approach that can also build on the momentum through visible progress for priorities to define the near term,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:37 - 2:05:38)
cleaner beaches,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:38 - 2:05:49)
safer crosswalks, better sidewalks, and financial stability in order to establish a foundational planning to be able to support any future growth.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:49 - 2:05:51)
These aren't high profile projects,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:51 - 2:06:07)
but they're important foundational improvements that residents might be able to see and feel and notice in their daily lives and that could build public trust and demonstrate that there's more momentum to do some of the more ambitious recommendations in the plan in later years in the plan horizon.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:08 - 2:06:14)
And now we'd like to show you where some of these efforts might be geographically focused in town.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:17 - 2:06:20)
So your planning isn't just about what you do, but also where it occurs.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:20 - 2:06:41)
So we've tried to translate the vision into some type of a clear spatial strategy plan identifies four types of areas each with different a different strategic approach transformation focused growth and reimagine the keynotes like in the square and the rail station area strengthen

[Speaker 1] (2:06:42 - 2:06:47)
In order to fix deficiencies in critical infrastructure assets like in speech with Fisherman's Pier,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:48 - 2:06:58)
enhance and improve existing assets and connectivity along corridors like Humphrey Street and the rail trail and preserve, protect neighborhood character,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:58 - 2:07:01)
key resources and natural areas.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:01 - 2:07:08)
We're hoping that this framework can help everyone understand what type of change is appropriate in different parts of town.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:08 - 2:07:12)
it can help manage expectations and focus resources strategically.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:15 - 2:07:35)
Now here's what it looks like slightly more specific you can see some of the transfer transformation nodes in purple at Ferris Square and a general rail station area strengthening priorities are marked in orange such as Atkins Beach fishermen's pier and various neighborhood amenity improvements

[Speaker 1] (2:07:35 - 2:07:40)
Enhanced corridors are in the teal color along Humphreys Street and Rail Trail,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:40 - 2:07:44)
and preservation areas are in green including South Forest,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:45 - 2:07:46)
conservation lands,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:46 - 2:07:47)
and the Olmstec Historic District.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:48 - 2:07:57)
The big picture is that the growth is to focus into specific nodes for transformation and improvement around Cleveland Square and the generalized real station area,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:57 - 2:07:59)
places that have existing infrastructure,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:59 - 2:08:00)
transit access,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:00 - 2:08:01)
and commercial activity.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:02 - 2:08:08)
This approach manages density concerns and preserves existing neighborhood character elsewhere.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:09 - 2:08:23)
Also, the coastline generally is a priority area that blends infrastructure repairs with economic enhancements in order to reflect the balance between resiliency and also tourism and recreation goals.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:24 - 2:08:33)
Now I would like to zoom out a little bit and just show you three consensus priorities that emerged most strongly in the planning throughout the process.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:36 - 2:08:43)
So the three critical areas that emerged with overwhelming community consensus touched on critical infrastructure and resilience,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:43 - 2:08:45)
multimodal connectivity,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:45 - 2:08:47)
and vibrant walkable hubs.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:51 - 2:08:53)
So starting with the first one,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:53 - 2:08:56)
fortified arts infrastructure and resilience.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:57 - 2:08:59)
Starting with infrastructure and resilience, this is about

[Speaker 1] (2:09:02 - 2:09:08)
The plan calls for addressing critical water quality and sewer failures affecting King's Beach.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:08 - 2:09:14)
It's not aspirational, it's about fixing the systems actively that are actively failing.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:14 - 2:09:23)
Also the need to fund sea walls and green stormwater infrastructure as also a reflection and connection to

[Speaker 1] (2:09:24 - 2:09:29)
The recently approved hazard mitigation plan for 2025-2030.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:51)
Additionally, this priority also recognizes the need to create long-term funded plans for road and sidewalk maintenance that also integrate ADA standards and low-impact development principles. Too often maintenance gets deferred year after year, so this plan calls for a little bit of a more systematic,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:52 - 2:09:55)
predictable approach to foundational infrastructure.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:57 - 2:09:59)
These second priorities on connectivity,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:00 - 2:10:03)
expediting the rail trail completion,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:03 - 2:10:09)
implementing complete streets, and Vision Zero principles townwide,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:09 - 2:10:14)
establishing safe connections at Minn Square and generally in the rail station area.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:16 - 2:10:19)
And the final one on housing and hubs,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:20 - 2:10:23)
focused revitalization at Minn Square,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:23 - 2:10:25)
strengthen the affordable housing trust.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:26 - 2:10:29)
and encourage missing middle housing through zoning reform,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:30 - 2:10:33)
such as for options like duplexes and triplexes.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:36 - 2:10:43)
So one of the most important findings from the process is that there's no challenge stands alone.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:43 - 2:10:49)
We identified 10 interconnected themes that touched on those eight topics,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:49 - 2:10:52)
showing how a lot of the goals reinforced each other.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:52 - 2:10:54)
And with this integrated approach,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:54 - 2:10:57)
it ensures that our actions have multiple benefits.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:58 - 2:10:58)
For example,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:58 - 2:11:07)
expanding diverse housing options can also help to support economic development goals by attracting and retaining workers and residents.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:09 - 2:11:16)
And with that, we try to show that some of the strategies to deliver multiple benefits simultaneously for the town.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:17 - 2:11:19)
And transitioning to implementation,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:20 - 2:11:24)
these plans don't implement themselves, so we'll talk about that in the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:26 - 2:11:32)
So this is the number one recommendation that we're carrying forward from your prior master plan,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:32 - 2:11:37)
for our 2016-2025 master plan that we we've updated through this process,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:37 - 2:11:41)
and that is to establish a master plan implementation committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:42 - 2:11:49)
This would be a joint volunteer and municipal body that would be in charge of championing the plan,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:49 - 2:11:53)
tracking progress and keeping priorities moving forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:54 - 2:12:06)
Critically, the town staff working with the Implementation Committee still retain final discretion on which recommendations to pursue and not everything in the plan is possible to get done,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:06 - 2:12:07)
so that's a reality.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:08 - 2:12:17)
So it's the Implementation Committee that will need to make some tough choices about what's the most compelling ideas in the plan given available resources.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:18 - 2:12:23)
The recommended committee's job wouldn't be to micromanage day-to-day governance.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:23 - 2:12:25)
It would be to provide strategic oversight,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:26 - 2:12:27)
ensure accountability,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:27 - 2:12:32)
and also reassess priorities as circumstances change throughout.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:32 - 2:12:36)
You can think of it as being like stewards of the long-term vision.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:40 - 2:12:41)
So for our next steps,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:41 - 2:12:51)
we have to determine when the public comment period will be once draft 1.5 is done with the recent comments that we got from Tom Planning staff.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:53 - 2:13:00)
And final draft two would follow for some subsequent potential planning board adoption in the spring or summer.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:01 - 2:13:02)
And again,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:02 - 2:13:06)
just want to reiterate that as you think about the plan that...

[Speaker 1] (2:13:06 - 2:13:13)
I think it's seriously consider that first recommendation that we're recommending again and echoing from your prior master plan,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:13 - 2:13:28)
which is establishing that implementation committee so that the goals don't sit on the shelf, but also there's more capacity to help planning staff in the town in general to be able to move forward with some of these ideas that we heard from the community.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:34 - 2:14:00)
This is basically it's a refined roadmap that integrates 18 months of community input that is trying to balance like a realistic assessment of that community consensus and ideas and visions that we heard with the reality of municipal capacity to be able to implement some of these ideas throughout the 10-year horizon and draft 1.5 once it's available we hope we'll be able to reflect those.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:01 - 2:14:20)
priority buckets that were readjusted and your feedback with your feedback tonight and as well as future feedback through during that public comment period we want to hear what you think about the general master plan approach and does this feel right or should we adjust that balance further or differently

[Speaker 1] (2:14:23 - 2:14:26)
And with that, we'll leave it open for comments.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:26 - 2:14:26)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:27 - 2:14:31)
once we activate and determine when the public comment period is,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:31 - 2:14:49)
we will ask everyone to please submit their comments generally to the public and all municipal bodies through a structured comment form that will make it easier to be able to assess the input that we get from everyone. Once we activate it, we'll have it linked to that QR code and that.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:49 - 2:15:07)
you are held in the link to your town web page as well and with that you just want to say thank everyone for participating the all the members of the advisory we have some present here tonight as well and I thank you for your attention and we open up to comments

[Speaker 2] (2:15:10 - 2:15:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:11 - 2:15:12)
Thanks, Carlos.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:12 - 2:15:12)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:12 - 2:15:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:14 - 2:15:15)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (2:15:15 - 2:15:16)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:19 - 2:15:20)
That was a lot.

[Speaker 5] (2:15:20 - 2:15:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:20 - 2:15:21)
that was a lot.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:22 - 2:15:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:23 - 2:15:37)
I guess one of the things that I was, that struck me as we looked at, you know, sort of repositioning or, you know, shifting priorities is I'm looking at, I'm looking at areas where.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:38 - 2:15:58)
That may have been shifted where we already have momentum and maybe you know once we have momentum somewhere it shouldn't necessarily be shifted. I think we should kind of put the pedal to the metal type of thing and continue with momentum. An example would be you know Vin and Square.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:58 - 2:16:24)
and maybe you know linked to that would be we could kind of try in some roadway infrastructure sort of thing but but that really you know because we have the zoning in place for part of Vin and Square and because there's so much work underway in terms of developing that portion into a more vibrant community and there's housing to come and so on and so forth

[Speaker 4] (2:16:25 - 2:16:51)
that I wouldn't really want to see that shift so much I'd want to look at and this that wasn't the only area I mean I'm looking at you know Hadley school the Hawthorne you know there's other projects where we have momentum and in terms of you know assigning effort to to other projects I mean I'd want to keep the effort I wouldn't want to lose momentum where we already have it put it that way

[Speaker 4] (2:16:51 - 2:16:51)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:51 - 2:16:52)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:16:52 - 2:16:52)
wouldn't

[Speaker 6] (2:16:52 - 2:16:52)
really

[Speaker 4] (2:16:52 - 2:16:52)
want to.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:52 - 2:17:01)
agree with what you said because that was the first reaction I had to a lot of this was it feels like we're looking to tomorrow for this plan,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:01 - 2:17:02)
like what's it going to look like 2035,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:02 - 2:17:03)
2026,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:03 - 2:17:04)
etc.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:04 - 2:17:09)
But a lot of the things that are referenced are things that we've made a ton of progress on in the last 12 to 18 months.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:09 - 2:17:14)
I think we've rezoned almost every parcel in Bidens Square within the last four years across four zoning bylaws.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:17 - 2:17:20)
I appreciate keeping momentum going and making a change.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:21 - 2:17:29)
At the same time, I don't want to almost like close one eye and forget the last few years where we've done a lot of momentum building on sustaining things,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:29 - 2:17:30)
for example, Hawthorne Hotel,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:30 - 2:17:31)
Vinson Square,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:31 - 2:17:33)
the Hadley Hotel,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:33 - 2:17:34)
Hawthorne Parcel.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:35 - 2:17:36)
Whereas I...

[Speaker 6] (2:17:37 - 2:17:41)
I just want to have that in mind because I think if someone were to read this master plan in two years,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
they'd be like, oh,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:41 - 2:17:43)
nothing's happened in Vinon Square.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:43 - 2:17:45)
They didn't do anything in Vinon Square.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:45 - 2:17:58)
So I almost just want to wonder if there's a way to use recent history to inform some of those objectives so that we're not kind of ignoring some of the significant progress that's been made in the last couple of years.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06)
That's

[Speaker 4] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06)
my fault.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:06 - 2:18:07)
I agree.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:10 - 2:18:11)
The other thing that I wonder,

[Speaker 6] (2:18:11 - 2:18:13)
and I'm curious the rest of the board's thought is,

[Speaker 6] (2:18:13 - 2:18:16)
and Carlos, I'm curious,

[Speaker 6] (2:18:17 - 2:18:19)
I'm curious your thoughts on this as well.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:19 - 2:18:22)
What other towns have a master plan implementation committee?

[Speaker 6] (2:18:22 - 2:18:24)
Because I like the idea of it,

[Speaker 6] (2:18:24 - 2:18:31)
but I'm imagining like in three years a master plan implementation committee coming and telling us we have to do the zoning thing because they're telling us we do,

[Speaker 6] (2:18:31 - 2:18:32)
and that would make me quite uncomfortable.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:32 - 2:18:34)
Well, it's, you know, take

[Speaker 4] (2:18:35 - 2:18:54)
there's a there's a good example here so you know it was really hard to kind of keep up with you know we did a lot in the last master plan I would you know easily 80% of what we had recommended had been either completed or begun

[Speaker 1] (2:19:16 - 2:19:42)
a dedicated group and they still are but they wanted to be the open space and recreation plan committee and their their goal is to advocate for all the you know all the tenets of you know preserving open space but it was also I mean if you go to any one of those meetings the first thing they do is pull up the air table that has everything like a whole implementation chart listed and they just sort of go through like where are we

[Speaker 1] (2:19:42 - 2:19:46)
And it kind of, it's not a, okay, next week we're doing this.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:46 - 2:19:47)
It's not that.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:47 - 2:19:55)
It's just, it was very fluid, but they're really able to make progress on things and there was a way to track it.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:55 - 2:20:04)
So, and there was, you know, some, there was some responsibility, you know, you had, you know, we all had a certain amount of.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:05 - 2:20:19)
You know, you've, you know, some people more than others, like people would kind of, you know, take ownership of a particular project and, you know, would sort of advance it that way. So that being said,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:19 - 2:20:21)
I think having a committee to help.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:21 - 2:20:23)
just help with that fluid,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:23 - 2:20:29)
let's keep it moving, what's happening with this, and also to just track the progress,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:29 - 2:20:32)
because sometimes it's just subtle and things get done,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:32 - 2:20:38)
but there is progress, and if there seems to be something where we've met a road,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:38 - 2:20:41)
Jim, then maybe it is something we want to, does this still make sense?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:41 - 2:20:45)
But at any rate, I happen to think that if we don't have...

[Speaker 1] (2:20:45 - 2:20:51)
an implementation committee it's just we're going to struggle with it again and not be able to you

[Speaker 2] (2:20:51 - 2:20:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:52 - 2:21:09)
know really have that kind of you know really living document that we'd like to see um so that's my opinion i i think it's a much bigger plan it'll be a little more challenging i don't know whether you want to whether you would even consider carlos because there's so much overlap

[Speaker 1] (2:21:10 - 2:21:13)
But breaking up, you know, the implementation committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:13 - 2:21:23)
maybe you have an implementation committee and then there are like sort of subcommittees under it that maybe even three like that manage certain parts just because it's big.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:23 - 2:21:25)
Maybe that's not necessary.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:25 - 2:21:26)
I'm just throwing it out there.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:27 - 2:21:31)
But I'm very supportive of having an implementation committee.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:33 - 2:21:41)
Carlos, do you have a list of the items that the actions that were moved from the initial period and then spread out over the midterm and long term?

[Speaker 4] (2:21:42 - 2:21:45)
So they were pretty detailed,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:45 - 2:21:59)
but a lot of them are transportation related because there were a lot of numerous very granular transportation recommendations and strategies. So a good chunk of them are transportation consolidation.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:59 - 2:21:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:59 - 2:22:00)
So there

[Speaker 1] (2:22:00 - 2:22:01)
Makes sense.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:01 - 2:22:07)
was some consolidation involved and then there was some reassessing or putting in different buckets.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:07 - 2:22:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:08 - 2:22:10)
But I would say many were.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:10 - 2:22:11)
Can you define...

[Speaker 3] (2:22:11 - 2:22:13)
Define transportation consolidation.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:13 - 2:22:15)
What are you referencing?

[Speaker 4] (2:22:15 - 2:22:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:16 - 2:22:21)
So there was, we mentioned the EV, like the EV multi-standard.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:21 - 2:22:22)
EV charging.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:22 - 2:22:25)
I tried to paint a high level picture of it,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:25 - 2:22:28)
but we talked a little bit about, let's see here,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:28 - 2:22:31)
right here,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:31 - 2:22:33)
consolidating for clarity,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:33 - 2:22:35)
division zero and safe routes to school.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:35 - 2:22:37)
So the, like the, the.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:39 - 2:22:42)
Ultimate safety and pedestrian safety improvements,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:42 - 2:22:47)
that sort of thing. Micro transit recommendations as well as EV charging recommendations.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:47 - 2:22:48)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:22:48 - 2:22:48)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:22:48 - 2:22:50)
what is microtransit exactly?

[Speaker 5] (2:22:50 - 2:22:51)
E-bikes.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:51 - 2:23:00)
Micro transit's a last mile. It's like a shuttle van that circulates a town and does the last mile connections between your existing commuter rail into the neighbourhoods.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:00 - 2:23:00)
That's

[Speaker 4] (2:23:00 - 2:23:05)
It's, some communities have like a senior shuttle except this would be expanded for the general public.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:05 - 2:23:05)
for public.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:05 - 2:23:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:06 - 2:23:20)
There had been in the past an idea of potentially connecting with the Salem Skipper or building upon having some type of a pilot plan so that kind of generally touches on that.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:24 - 2:23:24)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:33 - 2:23:34)
This is it's great work.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:34 - 2:23:39)
I think you've done a you know tremendous job kind of putting all you know I

[Speaker 1] (2:23:40 - 2:23:51)
Know it's very difficult working from an existing plan and it's what we asked you to do was hard I mean typically the way I know you know was preferably preferable to go about master planning is to just

[Speaker 1] (2:23:52 - 2:23:58)
start from scratch. And Elena was, she really enlightened me as to how that would have been a much better route to take.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:59 - 2:23:59)
However,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:59 - 2:24:03)
we felt that we had such a, you know, great solid base,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:03 - 2:24:13)
but I know, I think you've done a great job taking that basis, but making it completely fresh and relevant to,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:13 - 2:24:15)
you know, it's a different decade,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:15 - 2:24:16)
different community,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:16 - 2:24:20)
different priorities, and I really appreciate the work you've done.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:22 - 2:24:23)
Thank you. Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:24:23 - 2:24:35)
I think together everyone's participated and taken something started with the jumping off point of your prior plan and kept what made sense and also folded in a lot of new ideas as

[Speaker 1] (2:24:35 - 2:24:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:35 - 2:24:35)
well.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:35 - 2:24:35)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:24:35 - 2:24:36)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:36 - 2:24:36)
I feel like

[Speaker 1] (2:24:37 - 2:24:39)
Just made it more relevant to,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:39 - 2:24:40)
that's very good.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:45 - 2:24:47)
What's the comment period,

[Speaker 6] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47)
Carlos?

[Speaker 4] (2:24:48 - 2:24:57)
We have to, there was a, we have like a little delay, we have to fold in some of those changes right now so.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:57 - 2:25:03)
In order to make those big revisions and consolidations happen between draft one to draft 1.5,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:04 - 2:25:08)
so we anticipate those changes sometime in mid to late March.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:09 - 2:25:09)
And

[Speaker 6] (2:25:09 - 2:25:09)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:09 - 2:25:12)
so the comment period would start thereafter,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:12 - 2:25:18)
so in all likelihood either late March or in overlapping into April.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:18 - 2:25:19)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:19 - 2:25:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:19 - 2:25:25)
I think once that comes out, I think we'll probably all have more verbose commentary and feedback to provide to you.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:26 - 2:25:29)
Yeah, and you're reacting to an executive summary,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:29 - 2:25:32)
so once you actually go through the document it'll be different,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:32 - 2:25:39)
and we tried to put together this common form to make it easier for us to receive the comment.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:39 - 2:25:47)
We've discussed this with a lot of people at NEC and also with some advisory board members about how it would make more sense to be able to...

[Speaker 4] (2:25:48 - 2:26:10)
create a common form on different topics and on different just make it more structured in our in our efforts to be able to convey what feedback we get from you and other members of the general public through that comment period and then so that we can be able to address the changes and the requests that are made and also convey how we how it was received

[Speaker 6] (2:26:11 - 2:26:14)
So what's the end point? Tom, meeting at some point?

[Speaker 6] (2:26:15 - 2:26:19)
I think we jointly approve this with the select board and then it goes to town meeting

[Speaker 1] (2:26:19 - 2:26:19)
That's

[Speaker 6] (2:26:19 - 2:26:19)
for

[Speaker 1] (2:26:19 - 2:26:19)
right.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:19 - 2:26:20)
a vote,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:20 - 2:26:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:20 - 2:26:20)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:26:21 - 2:26:23)
Are we targeting all

[Speaker 6] (2:26:24 - 2:26:32)
Carlos, you sent us a timeline and I totally can't recall it. Could you just go over the timeline for when we meet with the select board to when we're proposing this be approved?

[Speaker 4] (2:26:33 - 2:26:35)
So we have to discuss with the town,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:36 - 2:26:39)
but I think we have some flexibility bringing it,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:39 - 2:26:53)
deciding those aspects where maybe it's just going to bring it to just make all of these changes after the comment period and reflect that in draft two and then you can decide your own pace when it makes sense to bring it forward.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:54 - 2:26:57)
So I think that would depend on when the select board is comfortable with...

[Speaker 7] (2:26:57 - 2:26:59)
Yeah, I guess I'm just thinking like a general like is it

[Speaker 4] (2:27:00 - 2:27:03)
this fall next spring or

[Speaker 6] (2:27:03 - 2:27:06)
I think feasibly could be as soon as this spring.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:07 - 2:27:08)
Carlos,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:08 - 2:27:14)
I apologize for this question going in because it might be getting a little bit deep into the weeds.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:14 - 2:27:16)
When I'm looking at that preserving is urgent,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:16 - 2:27:19)
the four bullet points seem very sound to me.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:21 - 2:27:28)
The one thing that keeps popping in my head is town meeting's decision to buy the Hawthorne by the sea.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:28 - 2:27:32)
Where is that sitting in the priorities?

[Speaker 3] (2:27:32 - 2:27:44)
Because I think when we're talking about something that is very visible, I think that that is one that a decision was made by the town and if we fumble it,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:44 - 2:27:47)
it will really...

[Speaker 3] (2:27:48 - 2:27:52)
impact the faith that the residents have in the town itself

[Speaker 4] (2:27:54 - 2:27:57)
I don't know the answer off the top of my head because there was a lot.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:57 - 2:27:59)
If there's 155 actions,

[Speaker 4] (2:27:59 - 2:28:00)
it's...

[Speaker 4] (2:28:00 - 2:28:05)
The leveraging of public properties is definitely mentioned in here,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:05 - 2:28:11)
but I don't know off the top, this isn't necessarily like an immediate planning context for development review right now,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:11 - 2:28:12)
but it is mentioned,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:13 - 2:28:16)
I just don't know off the top of my head where that precisely landed,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
I'm sorry

[Speaker 3] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
because

[Speaker 4] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
it

[Speaker 4] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
couldn't give you that.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:18 - 2:28:27)
seems like how those types of assets that right now are liabilities are being managed, I think, is.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:27 - 2:28:29)
In my opinion,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:29 - 2:28:30)
pretty urgent,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:30 - 2:28:41)
and the fact that it's not here is a little disconcerting, but as I will say, I think the things that are here are of incredible importance.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:42 - 2:28:42)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:28:42 - 2:28:42)
Yeah, well,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:42 - 2:28:43)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:28:43 - 2:28:43)
I think this

[Speaker 4] (2:28:43 - 2:28:43)
just,

[Speaker 6] (2:28:43 - 2:28:43)
was resolved.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:43 - 2:28:49)
I think that man in the midterm for the, there's an advisory.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:54 - 2:28:56)
Advisory committee has been expanded.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:57 - 2:29:00)
believe it was categorized under the midterm.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:01 - 2:29:04)
Right, the advisory committee wrapped up.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:04 - 2:29:07)
their duties and they presented a report to the select

[Speaker 2] (2:29:07 - 2:29:08)
And they

[Speaker 3] (2:29:08 - 2:29:08)
board

[Speaker 2] (2:29:08 - 2:29:08)
they

[Speaker 3] (2:29:08 - 2:29:08)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:29:08 - 2:29:08)
dissolved

[Speaker 3] (2:29:08 - 2:29:08)
fall.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:08 - 2:29:10)
at this point.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:10 - 2:29:20)
Yep, and that that's that's just one point. I'm I'm really afraid of how people might react with that not being a really significant part of

[Speaker 2] (2:29:20 - 2:29:28)
I think there are some you know comments that we could probably make now that you know we're just shooting you an email and kind of bring up some stuff that might be really helpful.

[Speaker 5] (2:29:29 - 2:29:47)
But Jared, I had that mentality, but at the same time I hope and I don't wanna, you know, wishing would make it so. I really hope that conversation is resolved around the time this gets approved, because if not, we've got other issues that we gotta resolve. And that's kind of totally outside of this committee's

[Speaker 2] (2:29:47 - 2:29:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:29:47 - 2:29:48)
direct responsibility, but

[Speaker 4] (2:29:49 - 2:29:55)
No, but as a town, I think I think we need to take a leadership role in in

[Speaker 5] (2:29:55 - 2:29:55)
comp absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:55 - 2:29:57)
seeing how that's moving.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:58 - 2:30:02)
And I will point to number two and number one on this urgent list.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:03 - 2:30:09)
And I think that anyone in your position would have said the same thing a decade ago about those two projects.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:09 - 2:30:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:11 - 2:30:11)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (2:30:11 - 2:30:12)
let's hope it doesn't

[Speaker 2] (2:30:12 - 2:30:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:12 - 2:30:13)
add a third to that list.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:13 - 2:30:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:14 - 2:30:18)
Yeah, there were a lot of, in terms of, you know, King's Beach,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:18 - 2:30:20)
that's a 200-year-old problem,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:20 - 2:30:21)
so,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:21 - 2:30:21)
that's an

[Speaker 2] (2:30:21 - 2:30:21)
you

[Speaker 4] (2:30:21 - 2:30:22)
ancient problem.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:22 - 2:30:26)
know, it's just they're doing the best they can, so it'll always be urgent,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:26 - 2:30:28)
you know, the rail trail completion,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:28 - 2:30:40)
I think that's, you know, we're stymied by National Grid and MassDOT in terms of getting that bridge over Paradise Road, and that's kind of...

[Speaker 2] (2:30:40 - 2:30:43)
You know, I think they're trying to do other pieces of it bit by bit. We do

[Speaker 5] (2:30:43 - 2:30:44)
I was

[Speaker 2] (2:30:44 - 2:30:44)
have

[Speaker 5] (2:30:44 - 2:30:45)
just going to say, I thought there was funding in

[Speaker 2] (2:30:45 - 2:30:46)
There is funding,

[Speaker 5] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
next

[Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
but

[Speaker 5] (2:30:46 - 2:30:47)
year

[Speaker 2] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
there

[Speaker 5] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
where was it

[Speaker 2] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
a connection

[Speaker 5] (2:30:47 - 2:30:48)
was going to be released.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:48 - 2:30:58)
aspect that's been really tough that Marcy's been diligently trying to go through and she meets monthly with the Board of Boston Trail Group and

[Speaker 5] (2:30:58 - 2:30:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:58 - 2:30:58)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:30:58 - 2:30:59)
updates

[Speaker 4] (2:30:59 - 2:30:59)
I'll

[Speaker 2] (2:30:59 - 2:31:00)
them on that,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:00 - 2:31:00)
be

[Speaker 2] (2:31:00 - 2:31:00)
so

[Speaker 4] (2:31:00 - 2:31:04)
honest that I'll use that as an example. The rail trail completion.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:05 - 2:31:07)
the impact and the visibility and

[Speaker 2] (2:31:07 - 2:31:08)
Yeah, huge.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:08 - 2:31:13)
the expense we have already entered an expense on the Hawthorne.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:13 - 2:31:13)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:31:13 - 2:31:14)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:14 - 2:31:14)
that's why,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:14 - 2:31:15)
No,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:15 - 2:31:15)
you

[Speaker 2] (2:31:15 - 2:31:15)
agreed,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:15 - 2:31:15)
know, it

[Speaker 2] (2:31:15 - 2:31:16)
agreed.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:16 - 2:31:20)
is a case where I think these are great and they're going to be important,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:20 - 2:31:21)
but I would like to

[Speaker 2] (2:31:21 - 2:31:21)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:31:21 - 2:31:22)
see a

[Speaker 2] (2:31:22 - 2:31:22)
agree with you,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:22 - 2:31:22)
conversation

[Speaker 2] (2:31:22 - 2:31:23)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:23 - 2:31:23)
on

[Speaker 2] (2:31:23 - 2:31:23)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:31:23 - 2:31:23)
that.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:23 - 2:31:30)
again, it goes back to stuff that we've, you know, not only does that have a, you know, huge financial impact, but it also has,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:30 - 2:31:30)
you know, the...

[Speaker 2] (2:31:31 - 2:31:36)
an urgency I mean we do have you know those R_F_P_s out I don't know what's going on with that so I guess

[Speaker 5] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
To

[Speaker 2] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
we'll see

[Speaker 5] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:31:36 - 2:31:37)
what

[Speaker 5] (2:31:37 - 2:31:39)
happens point also it has a massive planning impact on the entire Humphrey Street neighbourhood

[Speaker 2] (2:31:39 - 2:31:39)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:39 - 2:31:42)
which we have kind of made a priority of this board since

[Speaker 2] (2:31:42 - 2:31:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:42 - 2:31:43)
before I was on it.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:43 - 2:31:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:43 - 2:31:44)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:31:44 - 2:31:51)
So I mean I think that, you know, submitting some comments even like I said by email just directly to Carlos is helpful.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:52 - 2:31:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:52 - 2:31:54)
I'm gonna have to excuse myself.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:54 - 2:31:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:54 - 2:31:56)
I have to um I have to

[Speaker 2] (2:31:56 - 2:31:58)
I have I've got to get home

[Speaker 4] (2:31:58 - 2:31:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:58 - 2:31:59)
Thanks, Angela.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:59 - 2:32:01)
coverage anymore.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:01 - 2:32:08)
I thank you so much Carlos I think you did a great job and I appreciate the opportunity to speak.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:08 - 2:32:09)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (2:32:09 - 2:32:09)
this was really

[Speaker 1] (2:32:09 - 2:32:10)
you. Appreciate it.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:10 - 2:32:11)
informative. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:12 - 2:32:15)
Okay, everyone thank you for this opportunity and we'll be in touch.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
Thanks,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:15 - 2:32:16)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
Carlos.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
you.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
Right

[Speaker 2] (2:32:16 - 2:32:17)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:17 - 2:32:18)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:18 - 2:32:20)
I am not far behind Angela,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
but I

[Speaker 2] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
do

[Speaker 2] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
would

[Speaker 5] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
want

[Speaker 2] (2:32:20 - 2:32:21)
just

[Speaker 5] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
to make

[Speaker 2] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
like

[Speaker 5] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
it for

[Speaker 2] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
to

[Speaker 5] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
the,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
say

[Speaker 5] (2:32:21 - 2:32:21)
for

[Speaker 2] (2:32:21 - 2:32:22)
thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:22 - 2:32:25)
the, what I could hear, so I apologize for not being here for, well,

[Speaker 4] (2:32:25 - 2:32:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:25 - 2:32:27)
I was conflicted out of almost everything tonight anyway, but.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:27 - 2:32:29)
And she had to leave at 9.30, so I have

[Speaker 5] (2:32:29 - 2:32:29)
Good.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:29 - 2:32:30)
to go.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
However,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:31 - 2:32:32)
can I just say before I leave?

[Speaker 2] (2:32:32 - 2:32:51)
Before I rudely tear out of this meeting that I'm 100% in support of the administrative review and I've read through it and I would absolutely vote to, as you know, an individual I would, as a board member I'd vote to adopt it.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:51 - 2:32:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:52 - 2:32:55)
So thank you very much for your work on that.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:55 - 2:32:57)
I think it looks really good.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:58 - 2:33:00)
And I like marble head squirting too.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:00 - 2:33:02)
And I, you know, so I,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:02 - 2:33:02)
again,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:02 - 2:33:04)
I apologize. I'm back to the

[Speaker 5] (2:33:04 - 2:33:05)
All good.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:05 - 2:33:05)
technical

[Speaker 4] (2:33:05 - 2:33:05)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:05 - 2:33:05)
thing.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:05 - 2:33:05)
no,

[Speaker 4] (2:33:05 - 2:33:06)
thanks,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:06 - 2:33:06)
So,

[Speaker 4] (2:33:06 - 2:33:06)
Angela.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:06 - 2:33:06)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:06 - 2:33:07)
See you later!

[Speaker 5] (2:33:07 - 2:33:08)
Good night, Angela.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:09 - 2:33:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:33:09 - 2:33:12)
so on the admin

[Speaker 4] (2:33:14 - 2:33:16)
review process...

[Speaker 3] (2:33:17 - 2:33:23)
Yeah, I will keep it extremely brief. I put all of this together for you all just...

[Speaker 3] (2:33:24 - 2:33:31)
Going over administrative review for minor site plan changes, why this would be beneficial.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:32 - 2:33:40)
It's basically putting into our zoning bylaw a way to approve administratively minor changes.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:40 - 2:33:42)
So it's a process of improvement.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:46 - 2:33:53)
For example, today we had four 50-paragraphs per road come before you for some changes to the site plan.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:54 - 2:34:01)
This would allow for that review to come before the board administratively, so it would still come before you,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:01 - 2:34:07)
but it wouldn't require a public hearing and the public notification. It would just be placed onto the agenda for your review.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:08 - 2:34:10)
Can I ask a quick question?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:10 - 2:34:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:10 - 2:34:12)
What would trip it to the next level?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:12 - 2:34:13)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:34:14 - 2:34:23)
um yes. So basically building footprint changes of ten percent or less, um minor site layout or circulation adjustments.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:23 - 2:34:25)
would be eligible for administrative review,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:26 - 2:34:27)
technical revisions,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:27 - 2:34:29)
but no change in use or intensity,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:29 - 2:34:31)
and it would be at the planning board's discretion.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:32 - 2:34:41)
So things that wouldn't be eligible would be new uses, any zoning relief like setbacks or height or parking relief or variances like that.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:41 - 2:34:45)
Any increases in density or intensity wouldn't be administrative.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:46 - 2:35:01)
um any changes that affect the butters or public safety or anything that requires special permit or variance. So it's basically something that would be allowed um and that is not far off from what uh is already approved.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:02 - 2:35:04)
Quick question on the building square footage,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:04 - 2:35:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:04 - 2:35:08)
the ten percent. Um

[Speaker 4] (2:35:08 - 2:35:10)
like if we think about the project today,

[Speaker 4] (2:35:10 - 2:35:15)
a ten percent uh the the Paradise Road, a ten percent would be huge.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:16 - 2:35:26)
That's a huge change so that like like that's the only one of all of these you find that one sort of jumped at me because even on a thousand square foot house ten percent is a

[Speaker 3] (2:35:26 - 2:35:34)
Yeah. And again, it would be at the Planning Board's discretion. So if it is a very large change because of that 10% on a large building,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:34 - 2:35:41)
then you would be able to make the decision that it could still be a public hearing if it's a very large significant change.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:42 - 2:35:42)
Um,

[Speaker 8] (2:35:42 - 2:35:44)
I have a question sort

[Speaker 3] (2:35:44 - 2:35:44)
yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:44 - 2:35:45)
of sideways to that.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:46 - 2:35:49)
So it comes to the planning board for administrative review.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:49 - 2:35:55)
What does that look like? We talk about it and then you go off and do the change,

[Speaker 8] (2:35:55 - 2:35:55)
I assume.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:56 - 2:35:56)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:56 - 2:35:58)
It would be very similar to what happened today.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:58 - 2:36:06)
It would be eliminating the public hearing part of the process because that would...

[Speaker 9] (2:36:08 - 2:36:10)
make the process go a little smoother and

[Speaker 8] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
more

[Speaker 5] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
I think

[Speaker 5] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
I think

[Speaker 9] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
easily.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:10 - 2:36:11)
one

[Speaker 8] (2:36:11 - 2:36:11)
of I

[Speaker 5] (2:36:11 - 2:36:16)
the reasons that we talked about this with Angela and I have with Krista for a few months now,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:16 - 2:36:21)
everything that happens tonight with the Vin and Square would have happened exactly as it happened tonight.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:21 - 2:36:24)
The only difference would be from an administrative perspective,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:24 - 2:36:25)
the town would be saving.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:26 - 2:36:28)
$500 to $1,000 applications,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:28 - 2:36:28)
applicants

[Speaker 4] (2:36:28 - 2:36:28)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:28 - 2:36:30)
will be saving the same.

[Speaker 8] (2:36:30 - 2:36:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:30 - 2:36:31)
And

[Speaker 8] (2:36:31 - 2:36:32)
I'm on board with

[Speaker 3] (2:36:32 - 2:36:33)
that. Yeah, we had to go through

[Speaker 5] (2:36:33 - 2:36:33)
notification on a butter.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:33 - 2:36:36)
the process and notify all the abutters again.

[Speaker 8] (2:36:36 - 2:36:40)
I'm on board with that. My question is what happens if we say no?

[Speaker 8] (2:36:41 - 2:36:42)
Does it then go to oh

[Speaker 9] (2:36:42 - 2:36:43)
Yeah, it would

[Speaker 5] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43)
I'm

[Speaker 8] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43)
go through so

[Speaker 5] (2:36:43 - 2:36:44)
sorry.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:44 - 2:36:46)
it would go through the public hearing process.

[Speaker 8] (2:36:46 - 2:36:52)
So it's only an ability for us to pre-approve something that we think is going to be good.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:52 - 2:36:55)
It's only for amending a site plan that's already been approved.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:55 - 2:36:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:36:55 - 2:36:56)
Correct,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:56 - 2:36:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:36:56 - 2:36:56)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:36:56 - 2:36:57)
But if,

[Speaker 8] (2:36:57 - 2:37:00)
for example, we said no to something in Vivid Square,

[Speaker 8] (2:37:01 - 2:37:03)
then it would come through the full process.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:03 - 2:37:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:04 - 2:37:05)
Right, you would make

[Speaker 8] (2:37:05 - 2:37:06)
Just be protected.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:06 - 2:37:13)
a determination that the changes are too great to be approved administratively and that it should go through the public hearing process.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:13 - 2:37:13)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:14 - 2:37:16)
And to be like KP law,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:16 - 2:37:18)
anyone take a look just to make sure that.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:18 - 2:37:20)
They haven't taken a look yet.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:20 - 2:37:21)
We wanted to bring

[Speaker 4] (2:37:21 - 2:37:22)
Oh, fine.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:22 - 2:37:23)
it in front of you guys.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:23 - 2:37:28)
I have had conversations with Robin over there about this in the past. This is something that several towns have,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:28 - 2:37:28)
Salem,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:28 - 2:37:29)
Marblehead,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:29 - 2:37:29)
Linfield.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:31 - 2:37:32)
I want to say a

[Speaker 8] (2:37:32 - 2:37:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:32 - 2:37:34)
lot of towns have it.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:34 - 2:37:34)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:34 - 2:37:35)
She'll work through the language,

[Speaker 8] (2:37:35 - 2:37:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:35 - 2:37:36)
obviously,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
for

[Speaker 4] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
I mean, like,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
you.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
I think to

[Speaker 8] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
as far.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:36 - 2:37:37)
yours point,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:37 - 2:37:41)
I kind of just want to make sure that, like, the criteria are not going to, like, trip us up.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:41 - 2:37:42)
Yeah, absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:42 - 2:37:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:42 - 2:37:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:43 - 2:37:43)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:37:43 - 2:37:43)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:43 - 2:37:45)
I just want to board conceptually.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:45 - 2:37:48)
I did include some of the examples later in the presentation.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:48 - 2:37:49)
Yeah, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:49 - 2:37:52)
I had them for this slideshow, but for your reference,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:52 - 2:37:56)
it goes through some of what the surrounding towns do.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:56 - 2:37:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:58 - 2:38:07)
I think the real crux of this is this happened tonight with Vinnin Square, but over the last year there's been like three people who have come before us for an amendment to an existing site plan that

[Speaker 8] (2:38:07 - 2:38:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:07 - 2:38:10)
were so minimal that it's a waste of their time, a waste

[Speaker 4] (2:38:10 - 2:38:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:38:10 - 2:38:11)
of

[Speaker 4] (2:38:11 - 2:38:11)
sure.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:11 - 2:38:14)
Chris's and their office time to do all the stamps and everything.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:14 - 2:38:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:14 - 2:38:21)
So it's like let's figure out a way to respect the neighbours but also respect a minimal change that should cost them a thousand dollars to

[Speaker 4] (2:38:21 - 2:38:21)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:21 - 2:38:22)
change a door or something.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:22 - 2:38:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:24 - 2:38:33)
Right. So I did draft some draft language that are in your packets that you can take a look at and let me know if you have any changes or any thoughts.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:34 - 2:38:44)
Something to note is a lot of other municipalities that do this, they specifically define like minor site plan and major site plan.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:05 - 2:39:12)
Yeah, that's a good point. Especially if a lot of other towns are doing it, just to like you know have us all playing on the same page.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:12 - 2:39:22)
I will say no two towns do this the same way. It varies greatly. So it's really, you know, knowing what comes before you all,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:22 - 2:39:26)
what is the most realistic.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:28 - 2:39:36)
most efficient way that is you know has legal standing that we could add to um do this process that makes sense for you guys.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:39 - 2:39:40)
So is there a fee for the

[Speaker 3] (2:39:43 - 2:39:44)
expedited view?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:45 - 2:39:47)
Um yeah, there would be an administrative fee

[Speaker 3] (2:39:47 - 2:39:48)
Same fee here.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:48 - 2:39:49)
potentially.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:49 - 2:39:52)
I can't imagine well, I shouldn't answer that.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:52 - 2:39:55)
I can't imagine it would be the same as the fee to do it on.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:55 - 2:39:55)
Nah.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:56 - 2:39:57)
But we don't set fees anyway here, do we?

[Speaker 4] (2:39:58 - 2:39:58)
I believe that's all

[Speaker 1] (2:39:58 - 2:40:02)
Right, yeah, we would, we would do that in our office. We would set whatever the fee is.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:03 - 2:40:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:03 - 2:40:12)
But the goal is to try and avoid them having to pay us extensive fee, of which a lot of that fee goes to cover postage for the abutter notifications and

[Speaker 6] (2:40:12 - 2:40:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:12 - 2:40:12)
everything.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:12 - 2:40:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:12 - 2:40:15)
So for skipping that, I would assume that you

[Speaker 1] (2:40:15 - 2:40:16)
Yeah, uh

[Speaker 4] (2:40:16 - 2:40:17)
wouldn't be eating the same.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:17 - 2:40:19)
the notice fees would be removed.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
So.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:22 - 2:40:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:24 - 2:40:27)
Sweet. So take a look, take it home with you. Please,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:27 - 2:40:28)
I can also,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:28 - 2:40:33)
I know I didn't send this draft out with all of the materials I sent out today,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:33 - 2:40:37)
but I will send it to you all so that you have like a Word version or.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:38 - 2:40:43)
That type of version that you want to write comments directly in it. I will send that out to you all

[Speaker 4] (2:40:43 - 2:40:48)
I think it would be great if you could send that and then by the time we have the next meeting maybe even before if we get comments back to Krista.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:49 - 2:40:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:49 - 2:40:49)
Yep,

[Speaker 4] (2:40:49 - 2:40:52)
I think this is kind of a priority that I'd like to get this before town meeting this year.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:53 - 2:40:53)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:40:54 - 2:40:54)
I d

[Speaker 4] (2:40:54 - 2:40:55)
I just I

[Speaker 3] (2:40:55 - 2:40:55)
Should be fast.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:55 - 2:40:57)
hate cl clogging up our agendas with stuff like

[Speaker 2] (2:40:58 - 2:40:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:58 - 2:40:58)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:40:58 - 2:40:59)
First you should be fast.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:00 - 2:41:01)
Right, and then it's possible.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:01 - 2:41:08)
I think that that's definitely doable. So I'll send out the Word version to you all and ask for comments back in like two weeks.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:09 - 2:41:09)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:09 - 2:41:10)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:11 - 2:41:12)
Thanks, Krista.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:13 - 2:41:17)
Um okay, uh other business not reasonably anticipated by the board.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:19 - 2:41:31)
I just had two things here. You don't really have to spend too much time talking about it, but do we need to find a time to just connect on that joint meeting with Marblehead on the Glover project that we talked about last time?

[Speaker 4] (2:41:31 - 2:41:32)
We are um

[Speaker 4] (2:41:34 - 2:41:37)
yes, but I am meeting with the chairman of the

[Speaker 4] (2:41:38 - 2:41:43)
planning board in Marblehead first to kind of figure out the outside of their board because they are going through their

[Speaker 4] (2:41:44 - 2:41:46)
3A changes which will

[Speaker 2] (2:41:46 - 2:41:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:46 - 2:41:53)
likely affect the parcel that we're talking about so they've got a whole process with that

[Speaker 2] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
given

[Speaker 2] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:53 - 2:41:54)
the state's involvement so

[Speaker 2] (2:41:54 - 2:41:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:55 - 2:41:59)
trying to respectful of that so yes but no logistics yet

[Speaker 2] (2:42:00 - 2:42:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:01 - 2:42:06)
And then my only other thing was, I know we talked about the signage bylaw last time.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:07 - 2:42:09)
Still a priority,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:09 - 2:42:09)
so.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:09 - 2:42:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:11 - 2:42:19)
So it's kind of busy this month, but I will, um we do have the warrant for town meeting coming up, so we c I can get something before you guys

[Speaker 2] (2:42:19 - 2:42:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:19 - 2:42:20)
for that to see,

[Speaker 7] (2:42:20 - 2:42:21)
So I know that there s

[Speaker 1] (2:42:21 - 2:42:22)
s see if it's ripe.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:22 - 2:42:23)
and I have not the time

[Speaker 2] (2:42:23 - 2:42:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:24 - 2:42:28)
to to do what Every we time that we have the time, it's not the time that you wanna be serving

[Speaker 2] (2:42:28 - 2:42:28)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:28 - 2:42:29)
outside.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:29 - 2:42:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:29 - 2:42:34)
Okay. You know, it's like we've we've we've hit it a couple times. So she and I did a quick check

[Speaker 1] (2:42:34 - 2:42:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:35 - 2:42:35)
in on

[Speaker 2] (2:42:35 - 2:42:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:35 - 2:42:35)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:35 - 2:42:37)
There is some pretty ready language already.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:38 - 2:42:50)
um that's been thought over that Angela has sent me so I will make sure to send that out to you all um for review by next meeting and that way that we can get it on the warrant if it seems ready and everyone's on board.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:50 - 2:42:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:52 - 2:42:55)
And I think there would be some discussion and debate on this. I know that

[Speaker 4] (2:42:55 - 2:42:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:56 - 2:43:00)
uh I I I think even between Angela and I, because she's made a couple of references

[Speaker 3] (2:43:00 - 2:43:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:00 - 2:43:02)
to the blade signs and

[Speaker 3] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:02 - 2:43:03)
and they're

[Speaker 4] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
The what signs?

[Speaker 7] (2:43:03 - 2:43:07)
really blade signs are signs that stick out from buildings instead of on the front.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:08 - 2:43:10)
And um hunk

[Speaker 1] (2:43:10 - 2:43:10)
They're

[Speaker 7] (2:43:10 - 2:43:14)
street is actually a street that blade signs make sense because of

[Speaker 1] (2:43:14 - 2:43:16)
They're pedestrian scale signs.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:16 - 2:43:17)
Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 4] (2:43:17 - 2:43:18)
We're talking

[Speaker 7] (2:43:18 - 2:43:20)
a that's about a like like term, but some of it has to do with

[Speaker 4] (2:43:20 - 2:43:21)
like barber pole type signs or

[Speaker 7] (2:43:21 - 2:43:23)
Well, barber pole um like

[Speaker 4] (2:43:23 - 2:43:24)
Or like the the coffee

[Speaker 7] (2:43:24 - 2:43:24)
G G

[Speaker 2] (2:43:24 - 2:43:24)
has like a G has

[Speaker 4] (2:43:24 - 2:43:24)
scene.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:24 - 2:43:25)
a

[Speaker 2] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
G has

[Speaker 7] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
G

[Speaker 2] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
a G.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
a

[Speaker 2] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
has

[Speaker 4] (2:43:25 - 2:43:25)
G one.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:25 - 2:43:27)
a circular one that sticks out,

[Speaker 4] (2:43:27 - 2:43:27)
Got it.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:27 - 2:43:27)
but

[Speaker 4] (2:43:27 - 2:43:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:28 - 2:43:28)
like the country

[Speaker 2] (2:43:28 - 2:43:28)
But that's obvious.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:28 - 2:43:29)
street is a very

[Speaker 2] (2:43:29 - 2:43:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:30 - 2:43:32)
strange uh

[Speaker 7] (2:43:31 - 2:43:34)
um commercial street in the sense that it's

[Speaker 2] (2:43:34 - 2:43:34)
Curved?

[Speaker 7] (2:43:34 - 2:43:41)
it's curved and everything is on the curve. So your your your line of sight is constantly interrupted.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:41 - 2:43:42)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:42 - 2:43:59)
So the way s like applying signage flat on buildings, there's some logic in having a more pedestrian-friendly and uh and visible. So I think our our site visit and and documentation of Yeah. that and maybe guidelines as to how we do it, it's not the thing to eliminate.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:59 - 2:43:59)
Good night.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:59 - 2:43:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:00 - 2:44:00)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (2:44:00 - 2:44:03)
Okay, yeah yeah, I'd like to make sure that we all have a chance to just review and talk, so.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:03 - 2:44:06)
Yeah. My recollection of the language is it's rather extensive.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:07 - 2:44:13)
I think, Bill, you were you were on the board a few years ago when we last talked about it and it was multiple pages of new language.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:14 - 2:44:14)
So it's it'll

[Speaker 3] (2:44:14 - 2:44:15)
New signage.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:15 - 2:44:16)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:16 - 2:44:18)
I think we did it like 2021 or 22.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:19 - 2:44:20)
So we did awnings.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:21 - 2:44:26)
Yes, we did it and the select board did not put it on the warrant. So it did not get all the way.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:26 - 2:44:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:27 - 2:44:31)
Um but it was extensive so my point of bringing that up is it's a lot to Yeah. get through.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:31 - 2:44:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:31 - 2:44:31)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:44:31 - 2:44:31)
It's very

[Speaker 2] (2:44:31 - 2:44:31)
gotcha.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:31 - 2:44:32)
complicated

[Speaker 7] (2:44:32 - 2:44:32)
So,

[Speaker 3] (2:44:32 - 2:44:33)
and,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:33 - 2:44:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:33 - 2:44:36)
you know, things changed a lot since then.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:36 - 2:44:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:37 - 2:44:39)
So uh yeah, I mean

[Speaker 4] (2:44:39 - 2:44:40)
But it's an extensive topic.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:40 - 2:44:40)
And,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:40 - 2:44:41)
Everybody,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:41 - 2:44:41)
and

[Speaker 4] (2:44:41 - 2:44:42)
I it touches everybody in town.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:42 - 2:44:48)
I think one of the questions there, there is a lot of, there's a lack of design review.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:49 - 2:44:59)
in the town. And there tends to be a feeling that we somehow want to be a town that looks a certain way, but we don't want to have design review.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:00 - 2:45:02)
Those two things cannot coexist.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:02 - 2:45:03)
Sure. Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:03 - 2:45:08)
And so one of the things that, you know, we need to figure out where it sits,

[Speaker 7] (2:45:08 - 2:45:16)
but it really needs to sit somewhere because it's a constant struggle and there's struggles with it from the historic district.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:16 - 2:45:17)
There's struggles,

[Speaker 7] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
like,

[Speaker 7] (2:45:18 - 2:45:21)
we see this action of do and ask permission,

[Speaker 7] (2:45:22 - 2:45:22)
or forgiveness instead

[Speaker 2] (2:45:22 - 2:45:23)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:23 - 2:45:23)
of permission,

[Speaker 7] (2:45:23 - 2:45:28)
and we really struggle with it as a town. So getting policies that are up.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:29 - 2:45:35)
people that are accountable, so things don't go up and they're like, well I follow eh you know, it's

[Speaker 2] (2:45:35 - 2:45:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:35 - 2:45:38)
it's why the first attempt at this failed so badly

[Speaker 2] (2:45:38 - 2:45:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:39 - 2:45:40)
and Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:40 - 2:45:41)
Yeah, we need

[Speaker 7] (2:45:41 - 2:45:41)
Set a parameter.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:41 - 2:45:48)
to designate someone to actually be the person who administratively reviews the sign permits when they come in.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:49 - 2:45:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:51 - 2:45:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:51 - 2:45:56)
So do you want to recirculate the language that you have just for preliminary reaction?

[Speaker 1] (2:45:56 - 2:46:04)
Yep. I will recirculate what I have. Um I will also just take a look at it um because I haven't extensively reviewed it yet.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:05 - 2:46:10)
So um I won't change anything but I might submit some of my thoughts with it to get your opinions.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:12 - 2:46:13)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:15 - 2:46:16)
Anybody have anything else?

[Speaker 4] (2:46:16 - 2:46:30)
Yeah, I am still working on encouraging the potential applicants for the General Glover farmhouse to come before the planning board for a pre-application meeting as is encouraged in the zoning bylaw.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:32 - 2:46:37)
But no timeline on that. I have not heard back from them on that at all. But just wanted to keep the board aware.

[Speaker 7] (2:46:37 - 2:46:38)
Thanks.

[Speaker 7] (2:46:39 - 2:46:40)
That'll be nine months.

[Speaker 7] (2:46:43 - 2:46:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:44 - 2:46:45)
That's all I got.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:46 - 2:46:47)
There's no adjourn?

[Speaker 2] (2:46:47 - 2:46:49)
Is there a germ? Second.

[Speaker 7] (2:46:49 - 2:46:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:49 - 2:46:50)
I was in favour?

[Speaker 4] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51)
I.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51)
I put mine.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:52 - 2:46:53)
Alright, it's moved.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:53 - 2:46:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:53 - 2:46:53)
See if they recognise.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:53 - 2:46:54)
Thanks Chris.