[Speaker 1] (7:19 - 7:20)
Let it rub it in,

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Doug.

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Thank you.

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Good evening. Welcome to the Wednesday,

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February 11th 2026 Select Board Meeting.

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We are being recorded.

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If you would please rise for the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to

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But

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the republic for which it stands, one

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One nation,

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nation under

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under

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God,

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God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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In an an an an an an an an

[Speaker 1] (8:02 - 8:04)
Okay, just making sure everybody's awake.

[Speaker 1] (8:05 - 8:12)
We will start with the recognition of retiring police lieutenant Tom Hennessy.

[Speaker 1] (8:13 - 8:15)
Chief is here.

[Speaker 1] (8:15 - 8:17)
Would you like to start,

[Speaker 1] (8:17 - 8:18)
would you mind?

[Speaker 4] (8:19 - 8:19)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (8:20 - 8:22)
Good evening, everybody.

[Speaker 4] (8:22 - 8:34)
I want to recognize Lieutenant Tom Hennessy, who just retired last week after almost 30 years of service with the town. Now if you know anything about Tom.

[Speaker 4] (8:35 - 8:39)
Tom is a he's one of the pride of Swampscot he grew up in Swampscot

[Speaker 4] (8:40 - 9:00)
he lives breathes eats everything Swampscot he I always say that Tom is the most intelligent person was the most intelligent person in the police department because he would always throw it in our face that he went to Georgetown so but he he didn't want any recognition he

[Speaker 4] (9:01 - 9:02)
Just like Tom,

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our police union also tried to throw him a retirement celebration,

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and he did not want any part of it.

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So I'll just add that Tom has been a mainstay in our supervisory ranks for many years.

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He has been the MAD Officer of the Year for...

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several years.

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He is the one who allowed us and he wrote the grant for our municipal road safety.

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He has just been incredible and most importantly he has mentored our younger officers and I know I wouldn't have been successful without Tom's help as well.

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So just like we all know Tom,

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Tom doesn't want any recognition.

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He's very thankful.

[Speaker 4] (9:52 - 9:59)
He's very happy to be retired now but I'm here to accept any award.

[Speaker 2] (10:01 - 10:02)
Thank you, Chief.

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We do have a little citation that the select board has signed in recognition of his service to the town and a small token of our appreciation.

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And, you know, as I always say, when you serve publicly,

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there's a...

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uh you give yourself to the town in such a way but your family also gives themselves up so you can serve us and so we appreciate him and his family for that service anybody

[Speaker 1] (10:32 - 10:33)
Thank you. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (10:34 - 10:36)
else would like to say anything about lieutenant

[Speaker 3] (10:38 - 10:46)
I would. So I know Tom Hennessy from the neighborhood in which I live, his parents were my neighbors.

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They were very active in Swampscott.

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His mother always reminded us that he's at Georgetown,

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graduated Georgetown.

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But with Tom,

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Tom is a very modest individual.

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He is a man of high regard.

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Like he's a man of his word.

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He's a very honorable individual,

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and I can tell you as a resident here,

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knowing when he was working,

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I just knew we were incredibly safe all the time. He's very dedicated, so I think, you know, he will be truly missed.

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He spent a lot of time, if he stopped by the farmer's market,

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he would talk to kids. He'd let kids come by the police station.

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He just got right on their level and he's just a wonderful guy and I wish him a lot of success.

[Speaker 3] (11:48 - 11:58)
I wish his wife and his family a lot of success with his retirement and I hope I see him working on details and things like that to say hi.

[Speaker 3] (11:58 - 11:59)
So,

[Speaker 1] (11:59 - 12:01)
We'll probably see him walking around town,

[Speaker 3] (12:01 - 12:01)
I

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I'm

[Speaker 3] (12:01 - 12:01)
hope

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sure,

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so.

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on his walks for exercise.

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He's just,

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he's a great guy. He comes from a great family.

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His father was the assistant harbormaster many years,

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volunteering,

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never asking for anything.

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It was just, you know, just a great family.

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Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (12:20 - 12:21)
Thank you very much.

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Okay,

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we will move on to another.

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Happy acknowledgement.

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We are appointing a new treasure collector.

[Speaker 4] (12:33 - 12:35)
Yes, I'm happy to talk a little bit.

[Speaker 4] (12:35 - 12:40)
We have Liam who's joining us, I think, in the virtual world.

[Speaker 2] (12:40 - 12:42)
We see him there.

[Speaker 4] (12:42 - 12:44)
Yep, so Liam will be joining as the treasurer collector.

[Speaker 4] (12:45 - 12:49)
We were lucky enough to meet him in the process of working to build out the finance team.

[Speaker 4] (12:51 - 12:54)
The reviews that we've gotten from folks in Cary,

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North Carolina, which is where he is right now, have been absolutely glowing,

[Speaker 4] (12:57 - 13:11)
and it's been a very similar career path, honestly, to Patrick's on the team down there where he started following the completion of his MPA and has moved up through the ranks, and he's currently the budget director down there.

[Speaker 4] (13:11 - 13:13)
He's relocating up here.

[Speaker 4] (13:13 - 13:17)
We are really excited to have him joining us in a position that is incredibly important.

[Speaker 4] (13:16 - 13:36)
incredibly important certainly to the community but very specifically to Patrick so that we can take one more role off of his plate and focus him on the finance director efforts and so we're really excited to have Liam as I said he's a graduate of Elon University and an MPA from UNC Chapel Hill so really looking forward to having him join us

[Speaker 2] (13:38 - 13:39)
Excellent.

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Should we put him on the spot and let him say something or you think he's

[Speaker 4] (13:43 - 13:43)
I

[Speaker 2] (13:43 - 13:44)
good?

[Speaker 4] (13:44 - 13:45)
think he's probably ready to if you'd like to,

[Speaker 3] (13:45 - 13:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (13:45 - 13:46)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (13:46 - 13:46)
all right.

[Speaker 4] (13:46 - 13:47)
Can we unmute him for a second there?

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He had a 3.9 out of 4.

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I'm sure he's got something to say.

[Speaker 5] (13:51 - 13:51)
So, you know.

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I think you can, oh right there.

[Speaker 3] (13:55 - 13:56)
I think you can unmute yourself.

[Speaker 6] (13:56 - 13:57)
Can y'all hear me?

[Speaker 5] (13:57 - 13:57)
We can.

[Speaker 2] (13:57 - 13:58)
It looks like you

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Yes,

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passed

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we can.

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your first test,

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you unmuted yourself at the meeting,

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so that's a good sign.

[Speaker 7] (14:02 - 14:07)
Yes, I've used Teams before so it should be a good acknowledgement.

[Speaker 7] (14:08 - 14:10)
No, thank you for that introduction.

[Speaker 7] (14:10 - 14:25)
I think he hit all of the best parts but I'm really excited to get up there and start doing good work for Swanska and in my experience in budget as well as in the finance department in a couple different places I've got a lot of good experience.

[Speaker 7] (14:28 - 14:35)
working with cash management as well as working just in municipal finance and I'm really excited to come up there learn about Massachusetts and be a part of the team

[Speaker 2] (14:37 - 14:39)
Thank you, Liam. We're excited to have you.

[Speaker 3] (14:40 - 14:41)
When does it start?

[Speaker 5] (14:42 - 14:44)
Is he waiting until the snow melts or something?

[Speaker 4] (14:44 - 14:47)
No, we're looking at March. We're finalizing the date.

[Speaker 4] (14:47 - 14:49)
The first half of March, I believe.

[Speaker 3] (14:49 - 14:50)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (14:50 - 14:50)
Hi.

[Speaker 3] (14:50 - 14:51)
Welcome,

[Speaker 4] (14:51 - 14:51)
Welcome.

[Speaker 3] (14:51 - 14:51)
Welcome, Liam.

[Speaker 2] (14:52 - 14:52)
We'll see

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Very good.

[Speaker 2] (14:52 - 14:53)
you in March.

[Speaker 2] (14:55 - 14:55)
Oh, and

[Speaker 3] (14:55 - 14:56)
You

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your cat coming

[Speaker 5] (14:57 - 14:58)
Okay.

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That's

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to,

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all right.

[Speaker 4] (14:59 - 14:59)
You

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okay,

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all will need to make a motion to,

[Speaker 4] (15:02 - 15:02)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (15:02 - 15:07)
so we need a motion to appoint our new treasurer collector Liam Braley.

[Speaker 3] (15:07 - 15:09)
Motion to appoint.

[Speaker 5] (15:09 - 15:10)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (15:10 - 15:11)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (15:11 - 15:11)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (15:11 - 15:12)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (15:13 - 15:14)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (15:14 - 15:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (15:16 - 15:17)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (15:17 - 15:24)
we will move on to the reading of the 2026 Black History Month proclamation. We have a special guest today to help us.

[Speaker 2] (15:25 - 15:26)
If you wouldn't mind.

[Speaker 2] (15:28 - 15:30)
Do you have a piece? Do you have a microphone?

[Speaker 8] (15:30 - 15:31)
Bring a microphone for me.

[Speaker 2] (15:31 - 15:32)
There you go.

[Speaker 2] (15:33 - 15:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (15:34 - 15:35)
Nick,

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appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (15:36 - 15:37)
And you can do it from there.

[Speaker 8] (15:37 - 15:40)
Thank you, Madam Chairman.

[Speaker 8] (15:40 - 15:42)
My name is Ralph Edwards.

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I'm a member of Shore Diversity,

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the diversity group here in Swamp Scout.

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And one,

[Speaker 8] (15:53 - 16:01)
I want to thank the select board and the town administrator for this annual recognition of Black History Month.

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And this is the proclamation that's being presented.

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There are several whereas's on it,

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and if anyone else wants to participate in reading this.

[Speaker 8] (16:16 - 16:18)
If you just join me in, we can pass it on.

[Speaker 8] (16:19 - 16:21)
Black History Month.

[Speaker 8] (16:21 - 16:24)
Whereas Black history is American history,

[Speaker 8] (16:24 - 16:27)
February is Black History Month,

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a time to honor the history and achievements of Black Americans and to reflect on the centuries of struggle that have brought us to this historic moment.

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to live up to the founding principles of our nation and the town of Swampscott that all people are created equal with rights to life, liberty,

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and the pursuit of happiness,

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and whereas this observance affords a special opportunity to become more knowledgeable about black heritage and to honor black citizens who have contributed to Swampscott's economic,

[Speaker 8] (17:02 - 17:03)
cultural,

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spiritual, and political development.

[Speaker 8] (17:06 - 17:15)
And whereas the observance of Black History Month calls our town's attention to the continued need to expose and reduce racism,

[Speaker 8] (17:16 - 17:33)
to develop and practice skills to become anti-racist, and to build a society that lives up to its democratic ideals. This year's celebration and recognition of Black History Month are especially significant as we reflect on the historic challenges.

[Speaker 8] (17:34 - 17:38)
facing our community and our nation at this time,

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and whereas we acknowledge that black history is American history,

[Speaker 8] (17:43 - 17:47)
stories and facts fully interwoven in the political,

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economic,

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cultural, scientific,

[Speaker 8] (17:50 - 17:53)
and democratic fabric that makes our nation great.

[Speaker 8] (17:54 - 17:57)
And whereas national policing strategies,

[Speaker 8] (17:57 - 18:00)
reminiscent of antebellum and the Jim Crow practices,

[Speaker 8] (18:01 - 18:03)
test constitutional safeguards,

[Speaker 8] (18:03 - 18:07)
we are proud to celebrate community policing,

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including assembling the most diverse group of Swampscott police officers and firefighters in the history of our town.

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These efforts have helped to advance public trust and safety as we build a brighter future.

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more inclusive future for our town,

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our community,

[Speaker 8] (18:24 - 18:25)
and our nation.

[Speaker 8] (18:26 - 18:36)
And whereas the town of Swampscott is proud to celebrate Black History Month and pledge our continued commitment to build a welcoming community,

[Speaker 8] (18:37 - 18:52)
one that reflects the full talents and diversity of the American people, and that is committed to building to build a future that is inclusive and ready to confront persistent racial inequities and systemic racism.

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that continue to plague our community and nation.

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And whereas Swampscott unites, respects,

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embraces diversity,

[Speaker 8] (19:03 - 19:07)
will hold a Black History Month celebration on Tuesday,

[Speaker 8] (19:07 - 19:20)
February 24th, 5.30 to 7.30 p.m. at Swampscott High School to share important conversations about Swampscott's Black history and work to build a more inclusive community.

[Speaker 8] (19:21 - 19:22)
Now, therefore,

[Speaker 8] (19:22 - 19:31)
the town of Swampscott hereby establishes February 2026 as Black History Month in the town of Swampscott,

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Massachusetts,

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and encourages all faith-based and nonprofit organizations,

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residents,

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businesses,

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civic and public institutions to acknowledge,

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honor,

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value,

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and celebrate Black citizens and celebrate our diverse heritage and culture.

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and continue our efforts to create a world that is more just.

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and prosperous for all, a witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands and cause to be affixed the great seal of the town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 1] (20:06 - 20:06)
Massachusetts,

[Speaker 1] (20:07 - 20:09)
this 11th day of February,

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2026,

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and it is signed by the Board of Selectmen.

[Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:16)
the select board thank

[Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:17)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (20:17 - 20:18)
you for the proclamation

[Speaker 2] (20:19 - 20:19)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (20:20 - 20:21)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (20:21 - 20:22)
Thank you, Ralph.

[Speaker 2] (20:24 - 20:27)
We have an additional proclamation this evening,

[Speaker 2] (20:27 - 20:33)
and we have another special guest to read that proclamation.

[Speaker 2] (20:33 - 20:34)
Ms.

[Speaker 2] (20:34 - 20:35)
Zoll was...

[Speaker 2] (20:36 - 20:43)
A person that had reached out regarding some of the current events and offered to help make sure this proclamation came to fruition.

[Speaker 2] (20:44 - 20:46)
So for that I appreciate her time and energy.

[Speaker 2] (20:46 - 20:51)
And she will be presenting the proclamation on the federal immigration enforcement,

[Speaker 2] (20:51 - 20:52)
civil liberties,

[Speaker 2] (20:52 - 20:54)
and the protection of human life.

[Speaker 2] (20:56 - 20:57)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 4] (20:59 - 21:02)
The proclamation on federal immigration enforcement,

[Speaker 4] (21:03 - 21:05)
civil liberties and the protection of human life.

[Speaker 4] (21:05 - 21:15)
Whereas in January 2026, multiple incidents involving federal immigration enforcement resulted in the killing, detention or harm of civilians in the United States,

[Speaker 4] (21:16 - 21:18)
including the fatal shooting of Renee Nicole Good,

[Speaker 4] (21:19 - 21:24)
a 37-year-old U.S. citizen by an agent of U.S. immigration and customs enforcement,

[Speaker 4] (21:24 - 21:24)
ICE,

[Speaker 4] (21:25 - 21:27)
and the fatal shooting of Alex Jeffrey

[Speaker 4] (21:27 - 21:29)
Free Preti, a 37-year-old U.S.

[Speaker 4] (21:29 - 21:35)
citizen by agents of U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) in Minneapolis,

[Speaker 4] (21:35 - 21:38)
Minnesota during federal immigration enforcement operations,

[Speaker 4] (21:38 - 21:44)
and whereas these incidents have occurred amid intensified federal immigration enforcement actions,

[Speaker 4] (21:45 - 21:51)
including raids, detentions, and deportation operations carried out in civilian neighborhoods,

[Speaker 4] (21:52 - 21:53)
workplaces, and public spaces.

[Speaker 4] (21:54 - 21:56)
Actions that have caused fear,

[Speaker 4] (21:56 - 21:56)
disruption,

[Speaker 4] (21:56 - 21:58)
and harm to immigrant communities,

[Speaker 4] (21:58 - 22:00)
as well as to U.S. citizens,

[Speaker 4] (22:00 - 22:04)
and have undermined a sense of safety in communities across the nation,

[Speaker 4] (22:04 - 22:08)
and whereas the killing of civilians and the use of force,

[Speaker 4] (22:08 - 22:13)
intimidation, or coercion in such settings have prompted widespread national outrage,

[Speaker 4] (22:14 - 22:14)
public grief,

[Speaker 4] (22:14 - 22:15)
and civic response,

[Speaker 4] (22:16 - 22:22)
raising profound alarm about the erosion of public trust and the consequences of government actions that

[Speaker 4] (22:22 - 22:23)
that place lives at risk.

[Speaker 4] (22:24 - 22:26)
And whereas such acts of violence and harm,

[Speaker 4] (22:26 - 22:29)
whether directed at immigrants or U.S. citizens,

[Speaker 4] (22:29 - 22:37)
are unacceptable and stand in direct contradiction to the fundamental American rights and values that form the foundation of our democracy,

[Speaker 4] (22:38 - 22:39)
including the rights to life,

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liberty,

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due process,

[Speaker 4] (22:41 - 22:42)
peaceful expression,

[Speaker 4] (22:43 - 22:47)
and freedom from fear. And whereas the town of Swampscott reaffirms its commitment

[Speaker 4] (22:47 - 22:50)
to being a community where every person is safe,

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treated with dignity,

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and protected under the law,

[Speaker 4] (22:54 - 22:56)
and where policies and practices that endanger lives,

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divide families,

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or instill fear in our neighbors are incompatible with our shared civic values and responsibility to one another.

[Speaker 4] (23:05 - 23:05)
Now,

[Speaker 4] (23:05 - 23:08)
for by the authority vested in the Swampscott Select Board,

[Speaker 4] (23:08 - 23:10)
we do hereby condemn the loss of life,

[Speaker 4] (23:11 - 23:11)
harm,

[Speaker 4] (23:11 - 23:13)
and fear resulting from these actions.

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affirm our unwavering commitment to fundamental rights, accountability,

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and transparency,

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and declare that the safety,

[Speaker 4] (23:21 - 23:22)
dignity,

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and humanity of all people are essential to the strength of our community and to the health of our democracy.

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In witness thereof, we have hereunto set our hands and caused to be affixed the great seal of the town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 4] (23:35 - 23:41)
Massachusetts this 11th day of February 2026 and signed by all members of the select-

[Speaker 4] (23:40 - 23:41)
Blackboard.

[Speaker 4] (23:41 - 23:42)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 2] (23:42 - 23:43)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (23:45 - 23:46)
Um

[Speaker 5] (23:46 - 23:47)
Madam Madam

[Speaker 2] (23:47 - 23:47)
in prayer?

[Speaker 5] (23:47 - 23:47)
Chair.

[Speaker 1] (23:47 - 23:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (23:47 - 23:48)
Oh please.

[Speaker 5] (23:48 - 24:13)
So you know I know I know this month Boston Mayor Wu and several greater Boston leaders including those from Newton Lynn Somerville Cambridge and Chelsea signed executive orders which banned immigration and customs enforcement from using city property including city buildings parks and parking lots for enforcement operations this act these actions aim to protect residents from what leaders call aggressive federal tactics

[Speaker 5] (24:13 - 24:16)
tactics, I think we should do the same in Swampskin.

[Speaker 2] (24:22 - 24:23)
Doug?

[Speaker 6] (24:23 - 24:24)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (24:24 - 24:28)
I just first wanted to say thank you to Keiko for getting us going on this.

[Speaker 6] (24:29 - 24:36)
I think that many of us feel hopeless in the face of what is happening.

[Speaker 6] (24:37 - 24:48)
And I think this is a proclamation one could say does nothing, but one could also say it is actually at least using our voices to express.

[Speaker 6] (24:49 - 24:56)
our dismay and anger and concern about what's happening to our fellow citizens and even non-citizens,

[Speaker 6] (24:57 - 24:58)
people who live here.

[Speaker 6] (24:58 - 25:08)
And I just really want to appreciate you and the fact that you're taking some steps to do something and allowing us to take a step to do something.

[Speaker 6] (25:08 - 25:11)
And I think if we all take these small steps together,

[Speaker 6] (25:11 - 25:14)
which is happening across the country,

[Speaker 6] (25:14 - 25:17)
especially our friends in Minnesota.

[Speaker 6] (25:17 - 25:44)
standing up to what's happening that the the tide I think is turning unfortunately extremely unfortunately for these two individuals and their families way too much has been sacrificed but if we all kind of band together I think the the tide is starting to turn and we of course need to continue these actions so thank you very much

[Speaker 6] (25:43 - 25:44)
very much.

[Speaker 7] (25:46 - 25:55)
So I just want to say thank you to Kiko also for reaching out, for drafting it, for helping us get the words out and really understand what to say.

[Speaker 7] (25:55 - 25:58)
And to the other residents of Swampscott who have reached out,

[Speaker 7] (25:58 - 25:59)
you're not the only one.

[Speaker 7] (26:00 - 26:10)
So certainly I echo all of your thoughts. We exchanged a lot of emails about this and, you know, it's a difficult time. It's a difficult issue,

[Speaker 7] (26:10 - 26:12)
but I am not of the mindset that

[Speaker 7] (26:12 - 26:28)
but it's the time to stay quiet, right. If ever there was a time to not be quiet it's now. That's how I feel personally and I would echo what David is asking for. And I mean I think that we've certainly heard it from our residents.

[Speaker 7] (26:28 - 26:38)
It's not something that's just you know a personal feeling of anybody on this board, but I believe it's our obligation to actually speak out and do what's right.

[Speaker 7] (26:38 - 26:39)
at this time, so thank you.

[Speaker 2] (26:43 - 27:06)
Um so I have reached out to the Town Administrator about getting um the request on the next agenda so that we can make a public stance on where the town of Swampscott will fit into um you know as other communities have stood up and said you know not in our backyard um so just want to make sure that we you know check with all the correct avenues and get it.

[Speaker 2] (27:06 - 27:33)
done properly so that we are putting ourselves in the best position to enforce it should we have to. Um also we did invite the uh Chief here so if you could maybe reiterate I know we had um Captain Cable in a little while ago to talk about some of this stuff but it unfortunately seemed a little different then uh than it maybe does now so maybe if we could just reiterate for our community um sort of what

[Speaker 2] (27:33 - 27:37)
the current stances on immigration.

[Speaker 5] (27:37 - 27:41)
Absolutely. Thank you. We do not enforce immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 5] (27:41 - 27:45)
In fact, I believe Captain Cable had touched on it,

[Speaker 5] (27:45 - 28:00)
but we strictly adhere to the Lund versus Commonwealth decision back in 2017, where the Supreme Judicial Court stated that Massachusetts law enforcement officers cannot detain an individual past their state release time.

[Speaker 5] (28:00 - 28:03)
That would be considered an unlawful arrest.

[Speaker 5] (28:04 - 28:06)
So again,

[Speaker 5] (28:06 - 28:07)
like Captain Cable said,

[Speaker 5] (28:07 - 28:11)
we don't collect any immigration information.

[Speaker 5] (28:11 - 28:16)
We do not assist with any immigration enforcement whatsoever.

[Speaker 5] (28:16 - 28:18)
And I'll also add,

[Speaker 5] (28:18 - 28:26)
personally, I've been involved with, I'm a National Co-Chairperson for the Law Enforcement Immigration Task Force. I've been with that.

[Speaker 8] (28:26 - 28:41)
that consortium for over nine years and it truly is a consortium of police chiefs and sheriffs throughout the country who are advocating for sensible immigration reform.

[Speaker 8] (28:42 - 28:47)
Additionally I provided in my role as the co-chair person I provided

[Speaker 8] (28:49 - 29:06)
Subject matter expert testimony in November of 2025 that was sent to Senator Padilla's office and that was included in congressional testimony back in November 2025. So not only

[Speaker 8] (29:07 - 29:20)
Do we abide by the law, but we also have to be sensible in our humanity and morality in anything to do with the topic of immigration,

[Speaker 8] (29:20 - 29:22)
immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 2] (29:23 - 29:24)
Thank you. Appreciate.

[Speaker 4] (29:24 - 29:28)
I have a question. Can you just reiterate...

[Speaker 9] (29:28 - 29:47)
what Captain Cable had brought up in the fall, like for residents, what what do residents do if they they feel that there isn't something going on in their neighbourhood or they they feel they have any fear whatsoever. Can you just reiterate what was said in

[Speaker 8] (29:47 - 29:47)
Certainly.

[Speaker 9] (29:47 - 29:48)
the past?

[Speaker 8] (29:48 - 29:49)
Thank you for that.

[Speaker 2] (29:49 - 29:52)
We are advising anybody,

[Speaker 2] (29:52 - 29:59)
our community, to contact the police department if there's ever any question whatsoever in anyone's mind,

[Speaker 2] (29:59 - 30:02)
whether there is law enforcement activity,

[Speaker 2] (30:03 - 30:04)
we can.

[Speaker 2] (30:06 - 30:11)
I can tell you we've never had any notification by ICE or DHS,

[Speaker 2] (30:11 - 30:15)
but we can at least confirm, we can respond,

[Speaker 2] (30:15 - 30:27)
we will record on our body cameras any interactions or suspicious activity that the public has any questions about whatsoever.

[Speaker 1] (30:29 - 30:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (30:29 - 30:30)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (30:32 - 30:44)
I think in a time of a lot of fear and unknowing, any steps that the public has available to them to mitigate that is really important.

[Speaker 3] (30:44 - 30:49)
So if at all you fear what is happening in your neighborhoods, please reach out.

[Speaker 3] (30:52 - 30:56)
Just hope and pray that we keep our community members safe.

[Speaker 2] (30:56 - 30:58)
If I might add one more thing,

[Speaker 2] (30:58 - 31:02)
the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association,

[Speaker 2] (31:02 - 31:05)
which represents all police chiefs throughout the Commonwealth,

[Speaker 2] (31:05 - 31:08)
are compiling.

[Speaker 2] (31:09 - 31:37)
national best standards for in dealing with this that is in accordance also with our laws in Massachusetts that is forthcoming that is a big topic right now I will be providing a summation to our legislators in on March 4th in Essex County since I have a lot of experience with this in Arizona where we had Senate Bill 1070 the most

[Speaker 2] (31:38 - 31:44)
um egregious immigration enforcement activity that's ever happened in the United States.

[Speaker 3] (31:46 - 32:03)
Well, maybe after that we can have another update and find out if there's anything else we can be doing in the time of, like I said, time of hopelessness. It's nice to be reminded of people who are helping and feel hopeful that if you feel helpless that somebody can help.

[Speaker 3] (32:03 - 32:04)
So.

[Speaker 4] (32:04 - 32:05)
I do want to say, too,

[Speaker 4] (32:05 - 32:20)
um just a thanks to the chief. We're incredibly lucky to have someone that has dealt with this type of issu m immigration issues from a different part of the country here in Swampscott, and it makes me feel incredibly safe to to know that you're heading up our police force.

[Speaker 2] (32:20 - 32:22)
I think that's why I'm so passionate about it.

[Speaker 4] (32:22 - 32:23)
Yeah, absolutely, and you've got

[Speaker 2] (32:23 - 32:23)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (32:23 - 32:27)
a wealth of experience and we're really lucky to have you in this role. So, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (32:30 - 32:33)
Okay, we will now move on to the TA report.

[Speaker 5] (32:34 - 32:34)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (32:35 - 32:38)
To the points that were just being made,

[Speaker 5] (32:38 - 32:45)
I have had conversations with KP Law on the work they're doing with other communities to figure out, David, to your point,

[Speaker 5] (32:45 - 32:47)
what cities and towns,

[Speaker 5] (32:47 - 32:48)
what difference there may be,

[Speaker 5] (32:48 - 32:52)
and also making sure that we're doing things that can be impactful and appropriate.

[Speaker 5] (32:54 - 32:56)
On a regular basis as well, the Attorney General's office does,

[Speaker 5] (32:56 - 32:58)
I believe it's like twice a month,

[Speaker 5] (32:58 - 33:07)
a webinar or once a month webinar for communities to have a better understanding of exactly where they are in supporting the state's response to enforcement.

[Speaker 5] (33:08 - 33:13)
And as you know, we have a very active Attorney General in many respects in the interactions with the federal government.

[Speaker 5] (33:13 - 33:16)
So it's, again, another resource that's made available to many communities.

[Speaker 5] (33:16 - 33:21)
And I'll be working with Janelle and the Chief to have something come back with you on the 25th.

[Speaker 5] (33:22 - 33:37)
But in addition to that, as you just suggested, it's probably something that once a month maybe depending on things like the testimony to the legislators we can make sure that the chief is here and available as well to answer any questions or to give an update on things that he's heard or participated in, if that works for you all.

[Speaker 6] (33:37 - 33:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (33:37 - 33:38)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (33:38 - 33:38)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (33:38 - 33:38)
thank you.

[Speaker 6] (33:38 - 33:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (33:39 - 33:41)
So getting to the

[Speaker 5] (33:42 - 33:55)
The rest of the T.A. report, um the first update is for on the H.R. side for me, and obviously we had Liam join us tonight uh which we're very excited about. In addition we have a new assistant town accountant who's starting next week.

[Speaker 5] (33:55 - 34:08)
Uh her name is Kylie Gates. Um she's currently C.P.A., a graduate of Salem State and, you know, again was just a great candidate when she got in front of Patrick and myself and and Marianne and others, so we're very excited to have her.

[Speaker 5] (34:08 - 34:32)
cover and then you may notice down in the first row we have our new executive assistant for you all and myself Shannon O'Leary today is her first day she's joining us from Danvers we're very excited I know she's probably a little overwhelmed today but Diana's been fantastic about trying to not only shepherd her around the room around the building but you know get her comfortable with all the different things that we'll be doing to support you all and myself

[Speaker 5] (34:34 - 34:39)
So there's that. A general update, as everyone's aware, it's on the agenda later tonight,

[Speaker 5] (34:39 - 34:53)
the Hawthorne reuse RFPs came in, or the responses came in, and we also had an opportunity to put together a five-person evaluator committee that had sent along some information to you all for you to make a decision on tonight.

[Speaker 5] (34:53 - 34:54)
We'll get into that a little later.

[Speaker 5] (34:57 - 35:00)
The budget we'll also talk about a little bit about later tonight.

[Speaker 5] (35:01 - 35:06)
The idea with tonight's update there is about process and about some of the drivers that are,

[Speaker 5] (35:07 - 35:25)
you know, outside of our direct control in town hall so that we can all understand where we see some pressures going forward and as we try to nail down those final costs. In addition to that, we've asked all the department heads as part of the process to work very hard on limiting their expenses for level service, but also even a

[Speaker 5] (35:26 - 35:36)
a modest reduction in expenses where possible and as part of that process we're also looking at service contracts things from IT to legal to everything like the printers in the building.

[Speaker 5] (35:37 - 35:49)
I just wanted to highlight that we're taking as broad a look as possible and ask obviously you all but also anyone in the community if there's any expertise that they'd like to share with us as we're moving through that process it's obviously very welcome for us.

[Speaker 5] (35:50 - 35:53)
I want to thank the community development team I know Marzie's here.

[Speaker 5] (35:53 - 36:22)
Kristen and Tim are not but along with our consultant team and the DPW they worked with BBH and others on the Pine Street Pine Street project which hit an important milestone last night at the closing of the ZBA hearing it's been a real collaborative process throughout where both sides have identified issues or concerns and we've worked to find you know you know focus solutions that allow us to move forward with the ultimate goal of expanding affordable housing and I really want to thank Marcy and Krista specifically but the whole team

[Speaker 5] (36:22 - 36:25)
team worked quite a bit on that so I wanted to recognize their efforts.

[Speaker 5] (36:26 - 36:32)
Similarly I want to make sure because it's been a while since we've all been here that we recognize the DPW at large.

[Speaker 5] (36:32 - 36:39)
I think we've had three heavy-duty snow events and a number of sanding events since we were last here together.

[Speaker 5] (36:40 - 36:44)
They've been doing a fantastic job not only in the thick of each storm,

[Speaker 5] (36:44 - 36:48)
working to clear the roads and clear routes to the schools,

[Speaker 5] (36:48 - 36:59)
but also in the days subsequent to that where they've worked to expand sidewalks and clear Humphrey and clear parking lots to better allow for circulation throughout the community.

[Speaker 5] (36:59 - 37:07)
It's a significant effort and it's something that takes days at a time and so I want to make sure they're recognized they've been out last night and today doing that very thing just on a little.

[Speaker 5] (37:07 - 37:08)
A little pouring storm,

[Speaker 5] (37:08 - 37:12)
so hopefully they'll get a little bit of a rest, but I really want to recognize all of their effort.

[Speaker 5] (37:12 - 37:16)
And last but not least, I talked about Shannon.

[Speaker 5] (37:16 - 37:18)
I want to make sure we recognize Diane tonight.

[Speaker 5] (37:19 - 37:22)
Diane's been with you all longer than I have with her.

[Speaker 5] (37:23 - 37:24)
But,

[Speaker 5] (37:24 - 37:28)
you know, it'd be remiss to not call out your service and thank you. I know you're not going far,

[Speaker 5] (37:28 - 37:31)
going to the police and fire to support the chiefs.

[Speaker 5] (37:31 - 37:33)
One of whom's with you this evening,

[Speaker 5] (37:33 - 37:33)
exactly.

[Speaker 5] (37:34 - 37:35)
But personally,

[Speaker 5] (37:35 - 37:38)
I really want to thank you for making my life.

[Speaker 5] (37:39 - 38:00)
As easy as possible over the last few months, even though I might not have done the same for you. Um it's really been a pleasure to work with you and it was very very helpful with me starting to have someone that was so knowledgeable and open about supporting me so I wanted to thank you and I know the the board likely shares that as well. So uh not likely, they do share that. I shouldn't uh shouldn't put that qualifier on that. That was a bad qualifier.

[Speaker 4] (38:03 - 38:04)
Thank you, Diane.

[Speaker 3] (38:06 - 38:07)
I would just like to say personally,

[Speaker 3] (38:07 - 38:07)
Diane,

[Speaker 3] (38:08 - 38:10)
thank you very much for answering all the questions,

[Speaker 3] (38:10 - 38:11)
never saying no,

[Speaker 3] (38:11 - 38:14)
always saying I'll find out if you didn't know.

[Speaker 3] (38:15 - 38:25)
You know, you were always a fixture whenever I popped into CNIC or Geno and always happy to take up any work and just appreciate.

[Speaker 3] (38:27 - 38:33)
The work that you took on after you, sc when you were supporting GNO, you took on a more expanded role. So um

[Speaker 1] (38:33 - 38:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (38:34 - 38:40)
appreciate that uh you know you did that with um professionalism and without skipping a beat. So thank you very much.

[Speaker 5] (38:42 - 38:44)
And that's that's the end of my report.

[Speaker 3] (38:44 - 38:45)
Any questions

[Speaker 5] (38:45 - 38:45)
Happy to answer

[Speaker 3] (38:45 - 38:45)
for

[Speaker 5] (38:45 - 38:45)
questions.

[Speaker 3] (38:45 - 38:46)
Nick?

[Speaker 1] (38:50 - 38:53)
I do have one question, but we're gonna be talking about um

[Speaker 1] (38:55 - 39:06)
the budget process later on, but uh I do want at one point I do want to start talking about a couple of l how do w how are we going to talk about the capital plan, but I'll save that for one more.

[Speaker 1] (39:07 - 39:09)
We're talking about the budget.

[Speaker 5] (39:09 - 39:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (39:10 - 39:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (39:10 - 39:11)
That's pretty much it.

[Speaker 5] (39:11 - 39:19)
Okay. The one thing, could I just add one thing before your question that I forgot? I'm at HR and hiring side. We also made two conditional offers to uh police officers.

[Speaker 5] (39:20 - 39:26)
Um I think we've already heard back on one we anticipate hearing back on the other, both positive, which will leave us with one vacancy.

[Speaker 3] (39:26 - 39:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (39:26 - 39:31)
Um that's to I'm sure one of the follow-ups, this means we're gonna start a new

[Speaker 5] (39:32 - 39:43)
sort of cohort of applicants because that was distilled from the 25 or 30 that they had down to nine I think that did oral board and three that I met with and two that we made conditional offers to.

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:44)
So

[Speaker 2] (39:44 - 39:49)
So if they accept conditional offers, and then they I think what do they have to do, pass The the

[Speaker 1] (39:49 - 39:49)
next

[Speaker 2] (39:49 - 39:49)
psychological

[Speaker 1] (39:49 - 39:51)
step is psychological and health and then

[Speaker 2] (39:51 - 39:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (39:51 - 39:52)
from there

[Speaker 2] (39:52 - 39:52)
so

[Speaker 1] (39:52 - 39:53)
we get them scheduled for the academy.

[Speaker 2] (39:53 - 39:57)
and what would the what is the what cat academy what month would they be?

[Speaker 3] (39:58 - 40:04)
We're thinking mostly um ha uh academies are running like every June, uh every month now. So

[Speaker 3] (40:06 - 40:26)
probably June or July. At as soon as we can uh sorry, as soon as we can get them tested for the psychological, medical, sometimes that takes two to three weeks, uh and then uh what we what we do is uh there has to be a P_T_ test prior to the

[Speaker 3] (40:26 - 40:39)
entrance to the Academy and also all the paperwork that we have is sent to the MPTC to enroll so there's a couple weeks time delay so like I said probably June or July no

[Speaker 2] (40:39 - 40:41)
Have they taken a PT test here yet?

[Speaker 3] (40:41 - 40:42)
we thanks

[Speaker 2] (40:42 - 40:42)
You're eliminating

[Speaker 3] (40:42 - 40:43)
to

[Speaker 2] (40:43 - 40:43)
it?

[Speaker 3] (40:43 - 40:47)
the union we just nix that to make the process faster

[Speaker 4] (40:50 - 40:55)
So we I'm sorry if I didn't hear we did offer the two conditionals

[Speaker 1] (40:55 - 40:56)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (40:56 - 40:56)
this

[Speaker 1] (40:56 - 40:56)
so

[Speaker 4] (40:56 - 40:56)
week.

[Speaker 1] (40:56 - 40:56)
there is

[Speaker 4] (40:56 - 40:59)
So we're we're well on our way.

[Speaker 1] (40:59 - 41:00)
So there'll be one vacancy, right,

[Speaker 4] (41:00 - 41:01)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (41:01 - 41:02)
as of right now, so

[Speaker 4] (41:02 - 41:02)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (41:02 - 41:14)
and it part of the delay obviously just to highlight because we talked about this with one of the candidates is the the training centers are regionally dispersed so the Flintfield or Randolph or Northern Essex are not

[Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:21)
in the rotation for three months, then we would wait to get one that is regionally, geographically easy enough to get to.

[Speaker 2] (41:21 - 41:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (41:24 - 41:27)
I'm sorry David, I know you had a question, I I totally forgot the

[Speaker 3] (41:27 - 41:37)
No, no, no. All good, all good. Um no, that's that's great news about the police hiring. So well done. Um Pine Street. So the hearing closed so

[Speaker 3] (41:37 - 41:47)
Next steps, can you kind of can you kind of just sketch that out the next few weeks and does that mean that uh Bene Breath is going to be a mine for the for the

[Speaker 1] (41:47 - 41:47)
So

[Speaker 3] (41:47 - 41:47)
coming rounds?

[Speaker 1] (41:47 - 41:52)
Marcy can jump in, but where I believe we are is there's a twenty day appeal period that's open.

[Speaker 1] (41:53 - 42:06)
At the conclusion of that, if there is not an appeal, then the decision is accepted and they would then be with I believe in the timeline to to make the funding around that they were hoping to be in all along.

[Speaker 5] (42:06 - 42:21)
Their proposal is to submit an application to the executive office of housing and livable communities at the March 19 deadline. And at the same time, we will, as you know, we receive funding for the relocation of the culvert. So we will begin the process to seek a

[Speaker 5] (42:21 - 42:47)
a um an engineering firm to be able to design the culvert and and to start the project our funding is a two-year funding um we have actually reached out to the department to seek additional funds um to address some of the water line issues within the project um and that's something that's being reviewed and we are hopeful to do this simultaneously and if not we'll seek additional grant funding to do that work um probably by the end of this year if not early next year

[Speaker 3] (42:48 - 42:49)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (42:49 - 42:50)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 2] (42:53 - 43:12)
At some point, can we get like a long-term ETA because we need to start actively putting together a plan on how to really focus on getting any veteran who would qualify to really do an in-depth push to be able to get Swampscott residents into that lottery.

[Speaker 5] (43:13 - 43:18)
Yep, so that is part of the process because they will be receiving state funding.

[Speaker 5] (43:18 - 43:22)
They do have to have a fair marketing plan for the project,

[Speaker 5] (43:22 - 43:26)
and that will really outline all the steps that individuals need to take.

[Speaker 5] (43:26 - 43:33)
And they will do a marketing plan that required to advertise in local newspapers and to do additional outreach.

[Speaker 5] (43:33 - 43:37)
But we will definitely work with them to make sure that we bring the information to you.

[Speaker 5] (43:37 - 43:39)
We'll work with...

[Speaker 5] (43:39 - 43:50)
our senior center and then obviously what our veteran agents as well that they're aware of what the process should be and how does one submit an application to go through the lottery process.

[Speaker 6] (43:53 - 44:03)
We should also work back from that timeline to understand the steps that we need to do to ensure that our veterans relocation project is, you

[Speaker 2] (44:03 - 44:04)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (44:04 - 44:06)
know, properly timed out in that timeline,

[Speaker 6] (44:06 - 44:07)
making sure that.

[Speaker 6] (44:08 - 44:11)
We have enough time to renovate, accommodate,

[Speaker 6] (44:11 - 44:13)
move so that they're not displaced.

[Speaker 3] (44:14 - 44:14)
And

[Speaker 2] (44:14 - 44:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (44:15 - 44:33)
I did remember after our December town meeting that we took a vote here sometime in the fall saying that we were going to establish a certain specific account for the funds that came from the from B'nai B'rith to go into a specific account. We were supposed to actually.

[Speaker 3] (44:36 - 44:40)
do something at a town meeting to and and uh

[Speaker 3] (44:43 - 44:44)
solidify that.

[Speaker 3] (44:45 - 44:48)
So we should look back on that vote,

[Speaker 6] (44:49 - 44:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (44:49 - 44:50)
and

[Speaker 3] (44:50 - 44:50)
And have

[Speaker 6] (44:50 - 44:50)
we're

[Speaker 3] (44:50 - 44:50)
that

[Speaker 6] (44:50 - 44:50)
on the

[Speaker 1] (44:50 - 44:50)
to

[Speaker 6] (44:50 - 44:50)
May

[Speaker 3] (44:50 - 44:50)
and

[Speaker 6] (44:50 - 44:51)
agenda. town meeting?

[Speaker 1] (44:51 - 44:52)
look forward to what we

[Speaker 6] (44:52 - 44:52)
And

[Speaker 1] (44:52 - 44:52)
need to

[Speaker 6] (44:52 - 44:52)
look forward

[Speaker 1] (44:52 - 44:52)
do.

[Speaker 6] (44:52 - 44:53)
to the May

[Speaker 3] (44:53 - 44:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (44:53 - 44:53)
town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (44:53 - 44:54)
right sure.

[Speaker 6] (44:54 - 44:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (44:58 - 44:59)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (45:00 - 45:04)
That's that. Okay, we will now entertain public comments.

[Speaker 6] (45:05 - 45:23)
So public comment. We will have any comments on items on the agenda that do not have a public hearing. If you have comments on a public hearing item then that will take place during the hearing, but any other public comment on non-agenda or agenda items, um we are open to that commentary now.

[Speaker 1] (45:24 - 45:25)
I'll minute the three

[Speaker 6] (45:25 - 45:26)
Oh, three minutes. Thank you, Nick.

[Speaker 6] (45:27 - 45:28)
Please, Brian.

[Speaker 6] (45:37 - 45:37)
Just.

[Speaker 7] (45:37 - 45:38)
For the record,

[Speaker 7] (45:38 - 45:40)
my name is Brian Watson.

[Speaker 7] (45:40 - 45:53)
I know the select board tonight and in the present generally is focused on a possible lease of the Hawthorne building and exploring the possibility of acquiring some portion of the church parking lot.

[Speaker 7] (45:53 - 45:58)
So I know those two tasks are receiving the board's attention at the present.

[Speaker 7] (45:59 - 46:00)
For future consideration,

[Speaker 7] (46:01 - 46:05)
I want to briefly refer to the letter that I wrote to the select board a couple of weeks ago.

[Speaker 7] (46:06 - 46:10)
You may or may not yet have had a chance to read it, and that's okay,

[Speaker 7] (46:10 - 46:21)
because it aims to convey some thoughts and observations that might be useful to you when you start to consider larger development plans for the site.

[Speaker 7] (46:21 - 46:28)
didn't Diane tonight brought the copies with the four site maps at the back. The email copy didn't have those.

[Speaker 7] (46:29 - 46:31)
The letter is pretty self-explanatory.

[Speaker 7] (46:31 - 46:38)
It's meant to be both complimentary and complimentary in both senses of the word to the work of the Hawthorne Committee.

[Speaker 7] (46:38 - 46:44)
But it's also supplemental in that it offers some cautions regarding our work.

[Speaker 7] (46:44 - 46:49)
The main one is that certain areas of the discussion of possible plans,

[Speaker 7] (46:49 - 46:52)
especially around the topics of building heights,

[Speaker 7] (46:52 - 46:53)
building uses,

[Speaker 7] (46:53 - 46:59)
building square footages, and parking quantities could use further exploration and further discussion when you get to it.

[Speaker 7] (47:00 - 47:02)
With a large committee of 12 people,

[Speaker 7] (47:02 - 47:06)
some of whom were very invested in one plan or another,

[Speaker 7] (47:06 - 47:10)
it was not always possible for certain subjects to be fully in.

[Speaker 7] (47:10 - 47:12)
and adequately explored.

[Speaker 7] (47:13 - 47:17)
When the Select Board begins to evaluate possible site redevelopment plans,

[Speaker 7] (47:17 - 47:21)
whether with or without additional land,

[Speaker 7] (47:22 - 47:26)
fuller discussion could occur on some of those topics.

[Speaker 7] (47:27 - 47:28)
At some point in the future,

[Speaker 7] (47:29 - 47:31)
if the select board is interested,

[Speaker 7] (47:31 - 47:34)
I'd be happy to participate in those discussions,

[Speaker 7] (47:34 - 47:40)
and I'd be happy to draw various additional site plans as needed to study various alternatives,

[Speaker 7] (47:40 - 47:43)
especially if more land is added to the original site.

[Speaker 7] (47:44 - 47:51)
It might also be useful and valuable to the board to explore various plan concepts on paper in live time in working sessions.

[Speaker 7] (47:52 - 47:53)
When the time is appropriate,

[Speaker 7] (47:54 - 48:00)
I hope you'll take a look at the thoughts in my letter and the attached diagrams and the approaches they illustrate.

[Speaker 7] (48:00 - 48:01)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (48:01 - 48:02)
Thank you, Brian.

[Speaker 1] (48:02 - 48:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (48:03 - 48:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (48:05 - 48:07)
Any additional public comments?

[Speaker 6] (48:11 - 48:15)
Seeing none, we will move on to new and old business.

[Speaker 6] (48:15 - 48:29)
We have a public hearing on the decision impossible vote to consider the approval of application for multiple amendments of existing section 15 off-premises wine and malt beverage license to an off to an off-premises all alcohol license for 44 Atlantic Inc.

[Speaker 6] (48:30 - 48:40)
doing business as Richdale Swampscott located at 444 Humphrey Street Swampscott 1907 including a change of manager officer and director and shareholders.

[Speaker 7] (48:41 - 48:43)
So we did that last part already, right?

[Speaker 6] (48:43 - 48:46)
We did the shareholders part, yeah. I believe we

[Speaker 7] (48:46 - 48:46)
And

[Speaker 6] (48:46 - 48:46)
only,

[Speaker 7] (48:46 - 48:48)
the manager offers all that stuff,

[Speaker 2] (48:48 - 48:48)
we did the,

[Speaker 7] (48:48 - 48:48)
right?

[Speaker 6] (48:48 - 48:52)
we, I believe we did all except the change of

[Speaker 4] (48:52 - 48:52)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (48:52 - 48:53)
license. Correct.

[Speaker 1] (48:55 - 48:56)
So Madam Chair,

[Speaker 1] (48:56 - 48:57)
is there anything new as

[Speaker 6] (48:57 - 49:01)
I do have, thank you, David, I do have one.

[Speaker 6] (49:02 - 49:07)
position that came in that I will read into record.

[Speaker 6] (49:07 - 49:10)
So this is from George Allen.

[Speaker 6] (49:11 - 49:11)
Sarah.

[Speaker 6] (49:12 - 49:24)
Spedden and Gregory Allen of 27 Bayview Avenue and says to the Swansea Select Board, we oppose the application by 444 Atlantic, Inc.

[Speaker 6] (49:24 - 49:33)
for the amendment of the existing Section 15 off-premises wine and malt beverage license to an all-alcohol license at 44 Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 6] (49:33 - 49:33)
Ridgetail.

[Speaker 6] (49:33 - 49:37)
We are an immediate abutter behind 44 Humphrey Street at 27 Bay Avenue.

[Speaker 6] (49:37 - 49:38)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 6] (49:38 - 49:39)
Bayview Avenue.

[Speaker 6] (49:39 - 49:39)
Well I

[Speaker 1] (49:39 - 49:47)
While I realize the financial value of an expanded alcohol license and that such licenses generate substantial revenue for a small business such as this,

[Speaker 1] (49:47 - 49:50)
the existing wine and beer license should be sufficient for this location.

[Speaker 1] (49:50 - 49:52)
I do not oppose the existing license,

[Speaker 1] (49:53 - 49:58)
but we have a new all alcohol liquor store down the street at 646 Humphrey across from Cindy's Pizza.

[Speaker 1] (49:59 - 50:01)
There is no need for another all alcohol price.

[Speaker 1] (50:01 - 50:04)
off-premise license so close in a residential neighborhood.

[Speaker 1] (50:04 - 50:08)
I encourage the Select Board to deny this application for an all-alcohol license.

[Speaker 1] (50:08 - 50:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (50:09 - 50:12)
Hey, I just realized technicality, do we need to open

[Speaker 1] (50:12 - 50:14)
We need to open the public meeting. So I need to read this again.

[Speaker 2] (50:14 - 50:15)
Well, we could

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (50:15 - 50:16)
we could just

[Speaker 1] (50:16 - 50:20)
Um so you're right, Doug. Thank you for that. Uh so I need a motion to open the public hearing.

[Speaker 3] (50:20 - 50:21)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (50:21 - 50:22)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (50:22 - 50:22)
All in favour?

[Speaker 3] (50:22 - 50:23)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (50:23 - 50:23)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (50:23 - 50:23)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (50:24 - 50:24)
Uh Diane

[Speaker 4] (50:24 - 50:26)
Uh we never closed the public hearing before.

[Speaker 1] (50:26 - 50:26)
we d

[Speaker 2] (50:26 - 50:27)
We're continuing

[Speaker 4] (50:27 - 50:27)
We can

[Speaker 2] (50:27 - 50:27)
we

[Speaker 1] (50:27 - 50:27)
we

[Speaker 4] (50:27 - 50:27)
we continue.

[Speaker 2] (50:27 - 50:31)
continued it to a date certain which which was not a meeting

[Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:32)
which had has elapsed.

[Speaker 2] (50:32 - 50:32)
we would have

[Speaker 2] (50:32 - 50:33)
had.

[Speaker 2] (50:33 - 50:33)
Alright.

[Speaker 5] (50:33 - 50:35)
So we re-advertised this completely

[Speaker 1] (50:35 - 50:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (50:35 - 50:35)
with

[Speaker 1] (50:35 - 50:36)
So this

[Speaker 5] (50:36 - 50:36)
a new,

[Speaker 1] (50:36 - 50:36)
is a new

[Speaker 5] (50:36 - 50:37)
with new notifications for

[Speaker 1] (50:37 - 50:38)
Notification.

[Speaker 5] (50:38 - 50:39)
the neighbors and everything to

[Speaker 1] (50:39 - 50:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (50:39 - 50:42)
make sure that we had belt and suspenders and could do an actual vote on what remained.

[Speaker 2] (50:42 - 50:44)
We didn't. So I

[Speaker 4] (50:44 - 50:44)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (50:44 - 50:45)
don't know, I think we

[Speaker 1] (50:45 - 50:45)
I

[Speaker 2] (50:45 - 50:45)
can take

[Speaker 1] (50:45 - 50:45)
think it we can

[Speaker 2] (50:45 - 50:45)
that

[Speaker 1] (50:45 - 50:45)
get,

[Speaker 2] (50:45 - 50:46)
your reading

[Speaker 1] (50:46 - 50:46)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (50:46 - 50:47)
is now part

[Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:47)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (50:47 - 50:47)
of

[Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:47)
and

[Speaker 2] (50:47 - 50:48)
the minutes.

[Speaker 1] (50:48 - 50:58)
uh so we have an email which we will uh put put into record into the minutes um from the butter opposing the um change in license.

[Speaker 1] (50:59 - 51:06)
Um any additional questions, comments by the board? I know it's been a couple of weeks since we've met on this but

[Speaker 2] (51:10 - 51:11)
Are there any changes from the applicant?

[Speaker 2] (51:13 - 51:14)
No changes. Got it.

[Speaker 6] (51:14 - 51:16)
Our times would be online but I don't know where

[Speaker 4] (51:16 - 51:16)
It's true.

[Speaker 1] (51:16 - 51:18)
we can see the Yeah. green oh Chris yep.

[Speaker 2] (51:18 - 51:19)
There he is. Oh, there he is.

[Speaker 1] (51:21 - 51:24)
Uh oh, we cannot hear you Chris.

[Speaker 4] (51:24 - 51:25)
Here I am mute probably.

[Speaker 1] (51:25 - 51:26)
You're unmuted but

[Speaker 5] (51:26 - 51:28)
He's not muted. I couldn't hear him.

[Speaker 4] (51:28 - 51:28)
We

[Speaker 7] (51:28 - 51:29)
You

[Speaker 4] (51:29 - 51:29)
just can't have.

[Speaker 7] (51:29 - 51:29)
hear me?

[Speaker 1] (51:29 - 51:29)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (51:29 - 51:30)
Now there we

[Speaker 1] (51:30 - 51:30)
you are,

[Speaker 5] (51:30 - 51:30)
can.

[Speaker 1] (51:30 - 51:30)
yes.

[Speaker 5] (51:30 - 51:30)
There you are.

[Speaker 7] (51:31 - 51:32)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 7] (51:33 - 51:36)
I think the only issue was, as you said,

[Speaker 7] (51:36 - 51:44)
the granting of the follow-up upgrade, if you will,

[Speaker 7] (51:44 - 51:51)
of all the other proposed modifications were approved in the December meeting.

[Speaker 7] (51:56 - 51:57)
Did you get all that?

[Speaker 1] (51:57 - 51:57)
We

[Speaker 2] (51:57 - 51:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (51:57 - 51:57)
did.

[Speaker 2] (51:57 - 51:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (51:57 - 51:58)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (52:01 - 52:13)
So I don't know how any of the other board members feel. I did a lot of thinking about this because, you know, we had a robust conversation about whether or not it was in our right to deny the license,

[Speaker 1] (52:13 - 52:15)
you know, and I think Mr.

[Speaker 1] (52:15 - 52:23)
Demento pointed out that of course it is because it's coming before us as a question and while I agree with his logic,

[Speaker 1] (52:23 - 52:24)
I think

[Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:41)
For me, I looked towards sort of the facts that were available to us based on the case law for reasons for which we could deny the applicants. And I personally don't feel like any of those reasons exist here.

[Speaker 1] (52:41 - 52:44)
I understand location and proximity to another license, but...

[Speaker 1] (52:46 - 52:50)
I feel like we're three square miles. We're not that big anyways.

[Speaker 1] (52:50 - 53:02)
There's a great proximity to other licenses as well, you know, and it doesn't make sense to me to hold a license when we have a business owner who wants to use it.

[Speaker 1] (53:03 - 53:11)
So I think generally that's my two cents about it, but happy to entertain a motion or entertain other comments about it.

[Speaker 2] (53:13 - 53:19)
I'd be happy to move to approve the expansion of the license.

[Speaker 6] (53:20 - 53:21)
And I'll be happy to second it.

[Speaker 1] (53:22 - 53:23)
Okay, so

[Speaker 2] (53:23 - 53:23)
And

[Speaker 1] (53:23 - 53:23)
all

[Speaker 2] (53:23 - 53:29)
I just want to acknowledge that, you know, it's not, I think good points have been raised here about it.

[Speaker 2] (53:30 - 53:35)
It's not quite as much of a slam dunk as it was initially to me,

[Speaker 2] (53:35 - 53:48)
but still on balance for some of the reasons Katie said and more generally because I am very familiar with the way the store is operated. I am sure that the owners will take into consideration what

[Speaker 2] (53:48 - 54:06)
what this discussion has been about and I would hope that the construction of the change in the layout will be done in a way to be very sensitive to the considerations and concerns that people have had but you know having said all that I do think it's appropriate.

[Speaker 1] (54:09 - 54:12)
So we have a motion and a second on

[Speaker 1] (54:13 - 54:20)
Allowing for an amendment of the existing off-premises wine and malt beverage license to an all-alcohol license,

[Speaker 1] (54:20 - 54:21)
so all those in favor?

[Speaker 2] (54:22 - 54:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (54:22 - 54:23)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (54:23 - 54:23)
Opposed?

[Speaker 4] (54:24 - 54:24)
No.

[Speaker 4] (54:24 - 54:25)
No.

[Speaker 1] (54:25 - 54:26)
Okay, so that passes.

[Speaker 4] (54:27 - 54:33)
I just want to be on record that my no is strictly because

[Speaker 4] (54:34 - 54:43)
I feel that it does not benefit the community having another liquor store within a half a mile of each other.

[Speaker 4] (54:43 - 54:47)
It has nothing to do with the people that own the market whatsoever,

[Speaker 4] (54:48 - 54:51)
it's just we are a very small community.

[Speaker 4] (54:53 - 54:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (54:54 - 54:59)
Thank you. Okay. Thank you guys for returning so many times.

[Speaker 1] (55:00 - 55:00)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (55:00 - 55:01)
Thank you for listening.

[Speaker 7] (55:01 - 55:03)
Thank you for listening to us.

[Speaker 1] (55:04 - 55:04)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (55:04 - 55:05)
Thank you for

[Speaker 7] (55:05 - 55:05)
I

[Speaker 5] (55:05 - 55:05)
your patience.

[Speaker 7] (55:05 - 55:09)
know that my client will do their best to make you proud.

[Speaker 1] (55:09 - 55:12)
Thank you. That we know for certain.

[Speaker 1] (55:12 - 55:15)
Most of us frequent that location and we know you will.

[Speaker 1] (55:15 - 55:16)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (55:17 - 55:17)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (55:17 - 55:18)
Now,

[Speaker 7] (55:18 - 55:18)
you.

[Speaker 1] (55:18 - 55:21)
so I will now entertain a motion to close the public hearing on the topic.

[Speaker 6] (55:22 - 55:22)
So move.

[Speaker 2] (55:22 - 55:23)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (55:23 - 55:23)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (55:24 - 55:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (55:24 - 55:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (55:24 - 55:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (55:25 - 55:27)
Right, thank you guys very much.

[Speaker 1] (55:27 - 55:43)
And we now will move to a additional public hearing, a discussion and possible vote to consider the approval of an alteration of premise under the current wine and malt license filed by 128 Humphrey Street Food Service doing business as Pomona located at 128 Humphrey Street Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 1] (55:44 - 55:47)
So I will entertain a motion to open the public hearing.

[Speaker 6] (55:47 - 55:48)
I'll move.

[Speaker 1] (55:48 - 55:49)
Second.

[Speaker 8] (55:49 - 55:50)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (55:50 - 55:51)
All in favor?

[Speaker 6] (55:51 - 55:51)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (55:51 - 55:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (55:52 - 55:52)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (55:57 - 55:59)
Thank you. Have a good night.

[Speaker 1] (56:00 - 56:01)
Do we have?

[Speaker 9] (56:02 - 56:04)
Oscar Romero is actually the petitioner is online,

[Speaker 1] (56:04 - 56:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (56:04 - 56:05)
but not for a third.

[Speaker 1] (56:05 - 56:08)
Okay, so Pomona.

[Speaker 1] (56:08 - 56:13)
It has assumed the adjacent commercial space, which if you're familiar was once the hair salon,

[Speaker 1] (56:13 - 56:19)
and expanded the restaurant to approximately 2,760 square feet.

[Speaker 1] (56:20 - 56:23)
They're proposing a bar with ten bar seats,

[Speaker 1] (56:23 - 56:27)
two handicap accessible restrooms and a new dining area with ten tables,

[Speaker 1] (56:27 - 56:30)
which will include 30 seats.

[Speaker 1] (56:39 - 56:45)
So this would be a change in premise license from a malt, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (56:45 - 57:03)
malt wine and beverage license to a full liquor license service not for take away and then an expansion of the licensed area from the current licensed area to a full adjoining area also.

[Speaker 1] (57:04 - 57:04)
We're just...

[Speaker 1] (57:05 - 57:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (57:06 - 57:08)
Is this only alteration of premises,

[Speaker 9] (57:08 - 57:12)
not a change in the type of liquor license?

[Speaker 1] (57:13 - 57:14)
Oh, they have

[Speaker 5] (57:14 - 57:15)
They already have a full liquor license.

[Speaker 1] (57:15 - 57:19)
a liquor license, you're saying?

[Speaker 10] (57:19 - 57:24)
No, no, no. They only have a beer and wine or a wine and

[Speaker 2] (57:24 - 57:24)
Wine and malt,

[Speaker 10] (57:24 - 57:24)
malt.

[Speaker 2] (57:24 - 57:25)
that's it,

[Speaker 10] (57:25 - 57:25)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (57:25 - 57:25)
right?

[Speaker 1] (57:25 - 57:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (57:25 - 57:26)
thank you.

[Speaker 4] (57:26 - 57:28)
I'm not asking for anything else, are they?

[Speaker 1] (57:28 - 57:29)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (57:29 - 57:29)
the letter,

[Speaker 5] (57:29 - 57:29)
It's

[Speaker 1] (57:29 - 57:30)
Marcy.

[Speaker 5] (57:30 - 57:30)
just...

[Speaker 1] (57:30 - 57:31)
Okay, sorry, go ahead.

[Speaker 5] (57:31 - 57:33)
I'm just reading the vote,

[Speaker 5] (57:33 - 57:35)
so that's how I was going

[Speaker 1] (57:35 - 57:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (57:35 - 57:35)
about it.

[Speaker 1] (57:35 - 57:50)
so the letter in the packet does say that they're seeking approval for a change of premises and expansion to a licensed area. But at the top it says, sorry, upgrade from beer and wine to all alcohol. Is that not the case?

[Speaker 10] (57:51 - 57:52)
That was not, Oscar is on

[Speaker 1] (57:52 - 57:53)
Okay,

[Speaker 10] (57:53 - 57:56)
camera to clarify because that was not the case.

[Speaker 10] (57:57 - 57:59)
Eraser's hand, if we can.

[Speaker 6] (58:00 - 58:01)
Good evening, members

[Speaker 1] (58:01 - 58:01)
Good evening.

[Speaker 6] (58:01 - 58:03)
of the select board.

[Speaker 6] (58:03 - 58:04)
So that is correct.

[Speaker 6] (58:04 - 58:12)
We're only seeking to consider the approval of the alteration of promises under the wine and malt beverage license.

[Speaker 1] (58:12 - 58:16)
Okay, so you'll stay just wine and malt beverage just in a larger area,

[Speaker 1] (58:16 - 58:17)
correct?

[Speaker 6] (58:17 - 58:18)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (58:18 - 58:19)
that's correct.

[Speaker 1] (58:19 - 58:19)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (58:19 - 58:20)
very good.

[Speaker 1] (58:24 - 58:27)
Any additional comments, Mr.

[Speaker 1] (58:27 - 58:27)
Guerrero?

[Speaker 11] (58:30 - 58:34)
Yes, so we have integrated to the former,

[Speaker 11] (58:34 - 58:36)
as you explained earlier,

[Speaker 11] (58:36 - 58:41)
to the salon space into the restaurant and we have completed the installation of the service bar.

[Speaker 11] (58:42 - 59:08)
And this will serve as the improvement to gas circulation and service flow and I just wanted to mention that for the impact of the community if there's any concerns so the proposed change will not result in increased noise and we are not seeking to extend our operating hours or increase any late-night activities so this will definitely not disrupt the surrounding properties or neighborhood

[Speaker 11] (59:08 - 59:19)
The only intention for this is to enhance the guest experience and improve internal operations and create a better balance throughout the restaurant and obviously to benefit the Yatong of Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 1] (59:21 - 59:22)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (59:22 - 59:26)
Oscar, when are you looking at having this completed and open?

[Speaker 11] (59:28 - 59:33)
We are in the final stages of the completion.

[Speaker 11] (59:33 - 59:34)
Hopefully...

[Speaker 2] (59:36 - 59:38)
Well, great.

[Speaker 3] (59:48 - 59:50)
Any additional questions?

[Speaker 3] (59:51 - 59:54)
And I assume, because right now there's not really.

[Speaker 3] (59:55 - 1:00:07)
a bar per se in the current space so you'll the construction of the new bar all your bartenders will be tip certified and go through all that protocol that the ABCC requires so

[Speaker 1] (1:00:08 - 1:00:22)
Yes, so we are in compliance with all the requirements for as far as local state regulations and tip certification. We haven't had any, we haven't defaulted at all.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:22 - 1:00:31)
We do provide extensive training to all of our bartending, our bartenders, excuse me, and servers serving alcohol.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:31 - 1:00:35)
So just to clarify, we are in full compliance with all that.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:35 - 1:00:36)
Very good.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:39 - 1:00:41)
So what is the motion then?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:43 - 1:00:44)
The motion

[Speaker 4] (1:00:44 - 1:00:46)
Do you want to make the motion, Marion?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:47 - 1:00:48)
Mm I'm not sure is

[Speaker 3] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
is

[Speaker 3] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
the

[Speaker 2] (1:00:48 - 1:00:49)
it?

[Speaker 4] (1:00:49 - 1:00:49)
So that's

[Speaker 3] (1:00:49 - 1:00:49)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:00:49 - 1:00:49)
a trade

[Speaker 2] (1:00:49 - 1:00:50)
What

[Speaker 4] (1:00:50 - 1:00:50)
of I'm yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:50 - 1:00:50)
asking.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:50 - 1:00:56)
just to approve the alteration of premises under the current wine and malt beverages license,

[Speaker 4] (1:00:57 - 1:00:59)
basically just expanding the space.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:00 - 1:01:00)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:01:00 - 1:01:07)
So just but it do we have to have a motion to expand the space and a motion to expand the liquor license for a larger space?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:07 - 1:01:07)
Do we have to be

[Speaker 5] (1:01:09 - 1:01:12)
So this is just you're voting on the alteration

[Speaker 2] (1:01:12 - 1:01:12)
The alteration

[Speaker 5] (1:01:12 - 1:01:12)
of premises,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:12 - 1:01:13)
of

[Speaker 5] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
meaning

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:13)
premises All right.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:13 - 1:01:19)
that by your vote you are allowing liquor service to go into the adjacent space.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:20 - 1:01:27)
I think it's the same thing we did for G because when they moved, when they expanded,

[Speaker 3] (1:01:28 - 1:01:33)
this is considered an amendment to their current liquor license as an alteration of premises.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:37 - 1:01:37)
So that's

[Speaker 4] (1:01:37 - 1:01:38)
I'll grab that one.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
that's

[Speaker 2] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
Good,

[Speaker 3] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
the motion

[Speaker 2] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
Ellen.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:39 - 1:01:47)
All right. I move to approve the alteration of premises for Pomona under the current wine and malt beverages license.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:48 - 1:01:49)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:49 - 1:01:53)
All uh any discussion, everybody, let's go. Okay, all

[Speaker 2] (1:01:53 - 1:01:53)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:01:53 - 1:01:53)
in?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:53 - 1:01:54)
I wish them luck.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:54 - 1:01:58)
Great. All in favour of um the motion?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:58 - 1:01:58)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:58 - 1:01:59)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:59 - 1:01:59)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:59 - 1:02:00)
Aye. Very good.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:00 - 1:02:03)
Can't wait to go check out the uh the new Pomona.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:03 - 1:02:04)
See you next week, Oscar.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:05 - 1:02:06)
Thank you so much everyone.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:07)
Have a great evening.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:07 - 1:02:08)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (1:02:08 - 1:02:08)
You

[Speaker 6] (1:02:08 - 1:02:08)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:02:08 - 1:02:08)
you

[Speaker 2] (1:02:08 - 1:02:08)
too.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:08 - 1:02:08)
you.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:08 - 1:02:13)
as well. And now we have uh I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing on the topic.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:14 - 1:02:14)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:14 - 1:02:15)
All in favour?

[Speaker 4] (1:02:15 - 1:02:15)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:15 - 1:02:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:16 - 1:02:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:16 - 1:02:16)
Ah.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:16 - 1:02:17)
Very good.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:18 - 1:02:25)
Alright, next is an update and discussion on the Fiscal 2027 town budget process.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:25 - 1:02:27)
Where do you put that slide back up? I'm sorry about that.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:27 - 1:02:29)
It's just one page. Oh, that's alright.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:29 - 1:02:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:29 - 1:02:30)
It's uh I

[Speaker 3] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
For now.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30)
did

[Speaker 7] (1:02:31 - 1:02:42)
This is not the budget. This is to make sure that we so when we came before you in the fall we had the projections which were rolling forward a small increase on expense and salaries.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:42 - 1:03:00)
We have gone through sort of the exercise to work with each department head on what level service looks like which was the direction I got from you all in December but also what a modest reduction we were asking for five percent where possible you know obviously we're not able to cut but we were not asking.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:59 - 1:03:11)
I'm not asking to cut 5% from salary at this point. It was just a question of looking at expense and seeing where we might have some more fat to trim and opportunities to move forward with some savings.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:12 - 1:03:14)
So that's sort of where we were.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:14 - 1:03:16)
I just wanted to highlight tonight,

[Speaker 7] (1:03:16 - 1:03:19)
and this is the question that I think you were starting to get to.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:19 - 1:03:20)
We've submitted the SIP.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:21 - 1:03:26)
To the Capital Improvement Committee who voted to move it forward to the Finance Committee.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:26 - 1:03:30)
There were two outstanding items on there that we're trying to dial in price.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:30 - 1:03:32)
It is a force main study.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:33 - 1:04:00)
Uh so begin the process of understanding what needs there may be other than the air release valves which are actually part of the capital plan. Uh and then in addition to that for next year is the vacuum truck that D_P_W_ and water and sewer has been talking about for a little bit. Uh it's not necessary for this year, we wanna make sure that we get a a real price and that we're able to plan for it going forward if we decide to make that investment next year. Um do you wanna ask questions about capital before I get into the

[Speaker 2] (1:04:00 - 1:04:23)
A couple of the questions I had on capital after looking at the list and listening to a couple of the meetings, there were some items on there like a $100,000 vehicle, there's the vehicle items that were on there I was questioning because I really like to get a better understanding why we need to spend $100,000 for a vehicle that just one person is going to be driving around.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:25 - 1:04:45)
Whereas can we scale back and get an electric vehicle um that's really a little bit more suited for one individual and um just where are some other opportunities we have in capital because you know I constantly look I mean our for me the major driver for capital

[Speaker 2] (1:04:46 - 1:05:04)
in the f especially in the future is the middle school. And making sure that we clear as much possible and I'd like to see us go as lean as possible on that capital plan so that the funding and I sh talking to Katie about this the fund our majority of our funding is going towards our infrastructure.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:04 - 1:05:04)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:05:04 - 1:05:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:04 - 1:05:12)
when I say infrastructure I mean our our buildings and our water and our sewer lines. So

[Speaker 2] (1:05:12 - 1:05:18)
and getting away from things that if we can get away from. I'm sure that some of these larger

[Speaker 2] (1:05:19 - 1:05:28)
vehicles are nice to drive around in, but, you know, I also think we're at with three square miles and it's not like we have to go that far.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:28 - 1:05:29)
Mary,

[Speaker 2] (1:05:29 - 1:05:29)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:05:29 - 1:05:34)
but can you can you specify what what specifically you're you're you're referencing or

[Speaker 2] (1:05:34 - 1:05:35)
Um I have to I'd have to

[Speaker 6] (1:05:35 - 1:05:35)
all

[Speaker 2] (1:05:35 - 1:05:42)
get the coffee. copy I don't have the copy of the capital thing. I'd have to I'll get that to you next week or Nick can send that out to all of us, the breakdown.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:43 - 1:05:43)
So I

[Speaker 2] (1:05:43 - 1:05:44)
Is there for a discussion on

[Speaker 7] (1:05:44 - 1:05:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:05:45 - 1:05:45)
it? Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:45 - 1:05:54)
so I had shared it with the liaison. I'm happy to share it with the entire group when we first transmitted it to the Capital Improvement Committee because she's the liaison.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:55 - 1:05:56)
I think,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:56 - 1:05:58)
if I can hazard a guess,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:58 - 1:06:05)
the one vehicle that's $90,000-ish, I believe, is an electric vehicle for the chief to replace.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:06 - 1:06:08)
An older vehicle that is also,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:08 - 1:06:18)
it's a question that we asked, to be completely frank, both Patrick and I about the need for something of that size, you know, is hybrid versus electric,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:18 - 1:06:29)
and it actually is used as part of the emergency management response to move equipment that we have within town as described to us. I'm happy to get more information and share with the full group,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:29 - 1:06:30)
but,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:30 - 1:06:31)
you know, it was...

[Speaker 7] (1:06:32 - 1:06:43)
There was one that stood out to us just to say, you know, let's talk through how we got this vehicle and why you want electric and you know that sort of we did ask some critical questions of it and happy to ask more and get more context for the full board.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:44 - 1:06:56)
Is that, is the ninety thousand just the vehicle or is it also like li like I know at least for we've had this conversation with police cruisers before it's the purchase of the cruiser and then on top of that it's the technology in the It cruiser.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:56 - 1:06:56)
is it is both

[Speaker 3] (1:06:56 - 1:06:56)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:56 - 1:06:57)
in this

[Speaker 3] (1:06:57 - 1:06:57)
so

[Speaker 7] (1:06:57 - 1:06:57)
case

[Speaker 3] (1:06:57 - 1:06:58)
it covers all

[Speaker 7] (1:06:58 - 1:06:58)
in you

[Speaker 3] (1:06:58 - 1:06:58)
of those.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:58 - 1:07:00)
know there's certainly opportunities when you talk about

[Speaker 7] (1:07:01 - 1:07:30)
Fire specifically to see if there's funds and a need and a desire to have advanced life support and other things there they can you know I know in other communities that's something that is regularly added to you know command vehicles not because they're responding all the time but because it is very useful to have but I'm happy to you know Patrick and I could sit down with the chief and just get more context as part of a future discussion like you're saying over the full plan so if there's other items I'll circulate it to everyone what we shared with Danielle obviously

[Speaker 7] (1:07:30 - 1:07:43)
If there's other items that you want to let us know in advance by reaching out directly to me, we're happy to gather that to make a future discussion here as useful as possible so that it's not you asking us questions that we have to go get more info from

[Speaker 5] (1:07:43 - 1:07:43)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:43 - 1:07:43)
someone

[Speaker 6] (1:07:43 - 1:07:43)
And

[Speaker 7] (1:07:43 - 1:07:43)
else.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:43 - 1:07:45)
this particular vehicle,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:45 - 1:07:49)
was this on the capital plan for a number of years?

[Speaker 6] (1:07:49 - 1:07:50)
One,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:50 - 1:07:51)
question one,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:51 - 1:07:55)
and question two, is the vehicle that this is replacing,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:56 - 1:07:57)
what's the age?

[Speaker 6] (1:07:58 - 1:07:59)
uh of of that

[Speaker 7] (1:07:59 - 1:07:59)
Patrick,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:59 - 1:08:00)
of

[Speaker 7] (1:08:00 - 1:08:00)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (1:08:00 - 1:08:00)
that vehicle, but

[Speaker 7] (1:08:00 - 1:08:04)
gonna turn to Patrick 'cause off the top of my head I cannot answer those fully.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:04 - 1:08:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:04 - 1:08:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:04 - 1:08:16)
Yes, so there's two vehicles in particular in the fire department that have been floating out there that are a need and at least the deputy chief vehicle, which I believe is a two thousand six Tahoe,

[Speaker 8] (1:08:16 - 1:08:24)
that would be retired and the chief's vehicle as proposed would be replaced and then the current chief's vehicle would be cycled down to the deputy chief.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:24 - 1:08:32)
chief. Um so that's kind of the cadence but it's be it has been there has been a need identified on the plan previously to replace these vehicles.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:32 - 1:08:34)
What's the what's the age of the nowhere?

[Speaker 8] (1:08:34 - 1:08:35)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:35 - 1:08:35)
Got it.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:35 - 1:08:38)
What's what's the age of the current chief's vehicle?

[Speaker 2] (1:08:38 - 1:08:38)
Do you know?

[Speaker 8] (1:08:39 - 1:08:46)
I believe that's a 2016 Ford Expedition I think is what he shared with us so that would be cycled down and used further.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:49 - 1:08:55)
Yeah, I just wanna bring this up. I want I just like to see us having little bit more in depth conversations about it.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:56 - 1:08:56)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:57 - 1:09:09)
Do we wanna go through everything in this? Ye I was planning that operating budget with expenses and salary, do you want to do both at the next at the twenty-fifth? Sip in that and kinda clear the deck of other items so we can focus on both?

[Speaker 7] (1:09:10 - 1:09:12)
Does that work for the board?

[Speaker 3] (1:09:12 - 1:09:13)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:09:13 - 1:09:14)
I think it makes sense to have the whole picture.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:15 - 1:09:29)
I mean I think Mary Ellen's point overall is important and a good one. I have to say that it feels sometimes that I know capital improvement is scrutinizing these things, but they're

[Speaker 1] (1:09:49 - 1:09:52)
what what is the scrutiny level of

[Speaker 1] (1:09:51 - 1:09:56)
of just how needed is something right now. I think that's your broader point,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:56 - 1:09:58)
That is my broader point,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:58 - 1:09:58)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:58 - 1:10:09)
especially with, you know, what it's looking like on the state level and on the federal level and, you know, what we're walking into. I'm just thinking of a

[Speaker 2] (1:10:11 - 1:10:14)
a five year six year outlook on on everything here.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:14 - 1:10:18)
And I think we do, I'll speak for myself,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:18 - 1:10:20)
I think it's easy to fall into,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:20 - 1:10:36)
oh well we typically spend five, six, seven million dollars, whatever it is in the capital budget and that's just our norm and so if it fits into that well then it must be kind of okay and we kind of go along and then all of a sudden you realize that well there's debt service on this and that's actually

[Speaker 1] (1:10:36 - 1:10:43)
potentially impacting the budget and you know all of those things so I think we just maybe need to be a little bit more scrutinizing

[Speaker 4] (1:10:45 - 1:10:53)
Uh I will add we we had talked a little bit about when there are big chunks of debt coming off it when we talk about something like the

[Speaker 1] (1:10:53 - 1:10:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:53 - 1:11:07)
I think the point is well made Mary Ellen that we should be thinking about each year and to Doug's point you know five million because it's always been five million doesn't need to be how we're operating. Um but the big chunks that are necessary for

[Speaker 4] (1:11:08 - 1:11:28)
a school even with that exclusion are a little bit further down the road it's not in the five-year plan it's a little bit beyond that so I think we can be sure to have a sense of that on the debt schedule of where we start to see larger opening and more opportunity I guess so we'll make sure that we have that for the next meeting as well Patrick just to

[Speaker 4] (1:11:29 - 1:11:30)
Discuss a little more detail.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:30 - 1:11:31)
Patrick, in capital,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:31 - 1:11:36)
what we used to have would be for every request would be a description,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:36 - 1:11:40)
a detailed description, and we'd just pop into the file and look at the detailed description.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:41 - 1:11:48)
You don't do you have that anymore? Where each one is broken down to make it easier for you so that we're not asking you the same questions over and over.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:48 - 1:11:55)
Yeah, so there's a shared drive that I have the committee, the capital improvement committee set up with that has all of these submissions we collect from department.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:55 - 1:12:19)
from department heads and all the schedules. Um something that the FinCom asked for this year, which is I think the same thing you're asking for, is to include that information on a master schedule so you don't have to go to multiple places to find it. So that's actually something that the capital improvement committee um specifically Ryan is compiling. So there is a little qualitative description of each project along with the the schedule with the cost.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:19 - 1:12:20)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:20 - 1:12:21)
Um so I'm

[Speaker 5] (1:12:21 - 1:12:28)
connecting with him this week so he can get that closed out and turned over to the Finance Committee. So that'll be sh that can be shared with you all as well, I imagine.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:29 - 1:12:30)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:30 - 1:12:30)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:30 - 1:12:31)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:31 - 1:12:31)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:12:31 - 1:12:31)
so

[Speaker 6] (1:12:31 - 1:12:32)
think we also,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:32 - 1:12:36)
when we had the first financial summit,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:36 - 1:12:43)
we talked about when we talked about the middle school, we talked about sort of scoping out sort of a timeline.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:46 - 1:13:10)
of a big project versus little projects and how you know whether or not we were going to sort of work this piecemeal or like go forward and ask for you know like windows which we've heard about multiple town meetings in a row which have never been done yet and like going forward in that regard rather than a full middle school project and I think there was an ask

[Speaker 6] (1:13:11 - 1:13:30)
um from Max and Jason to sort of give us you know either like a pros and cons or like a timeline to figure out like we could still go forward with windows and get some funding and then we would within five years still be able to do a big project or whatever the sort of what the hit would be if we

[Speaker 1] (1:13:31 - 1:13:32)
I think we...

[Speaker 1] (1:13:32 - 1:13:34)
Didn't we decide to go ahead with the windows? Didn't we?

[Speaker 2] (1:13:34 - 1:13:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:35 - 1:13:36)
And I mean I thought that's

[Speaker 2] (1:13:36 - 1:13:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:36 - 1:13:38)
what everybody had said, but I just

[Speaker 2] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
We're going

[Speaker 6] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
wanted

[Speaker 1] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
Wasn't

[Speaker 2] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
to that

[Speaker 2] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
vote.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
out.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:38 - 1:13:39)
in the current?

[Speaker 4] (1:13:39 - 1:13:39)
Where

[Speaker 2] (1:13:39 - 1:13:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:39 - 1:13:40)
yeah, the

[Speaker 6] (1:13:40 - 1:13:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:40 - 1:13:42)
so we're finalizing the design.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:42 - 1:13:42)
The design,

[Speaker 4] (1:13:42 - 1:13:43)
Socha Tech just signed the contract,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:44)
uh-huh.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:44 - 1:13:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:44 - 1:13:45)
there was a lot of back and forth because

[Speaker 5] (1:13:45 - 1:13:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:46 - 1:13:48)
it's yeah, related liability, not to get into too much detail.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:49 - 1:13:55)
That design will be completed so that the plan is to have a number, a hard number at town meeting

[Speaker 6] (1:13:55 - 1:13:56)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:56 - 1:14:00)
to say we're appropriating it. The work won't be done this summer because of the lead time needed for

[Speaker 4] (1:13:59 - 1:14:00)
needed for windows

[Speaker 6] (1:14:00 - 1:14:00)
For

[Speaker 4] (1:14:00 - 1:14:00)
so

[Speaker 6] (1:14:00 - 1:14:01)
the windows,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:01 - 1:14:27)
it's appropriate at a town meeting this spring work to be completed next summer so summer of 27 not summer of 26 if that makes sense um and that was and that was a question that was asked by the capital improvement committee as well like why are we moving forward with this if we're in out years i think they have a number of like 100 million just as a placeholder to say there's a big project whether it's piecemeal new whatever um and max's contention is we are at

[Speaker 4] (1:14:28 - 1:14:29)
so far beyond useful life for

[Speaker 6] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:29 - 1:14:30)
the windows that it's

[Speaker 2] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:30 - 1:14:31)
something that we need

[Speaker 2] (1:14:31 - 1:14:31)
it's

[Speaker 4] (1:14:31 - 1:14:32)
to move forward with

[Speaker 6] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32)
we've tabled

[Speaker 4] (1:14:32 - 1:14:33)
to

[Speaker 6] (1:14:33 - 1:14:33)
it for

[Speaker 4] (1:14:33 - 1:14:33)
maintain

[Speaker 6] (1:14:33 - 1:14:33)
the past six

[Speaker 4] (1:14:33 - 1:14:34)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:14:34 - 1:14:34)
years.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:34 - 1:14:41)
learning environment that makes sense. And so that's why we're continuing with the design now to with the hope that we have the hard number for this spring.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:42 - 1:14:48)
But then we've also there's there have also been requests for the entire to enter the MSBA

[Speaker 6] (1:14:48 - 1:14:48)
program Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:48 - 1:14:49)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49)
To move

[Speaker 7] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49)
as

[Speaker 2] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49)
yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49)
the house.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:49 - 1:14:50)
well.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:50 - 1:14:51)
Mm

[Speaker 7] (1:14:51 - 1:14:51)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:14:51 - 1:14:51)
-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:51 - 1:14:52)
do we have an update?

[Speaker 7] (1:14:53 - 1:14:57)
As to that, where that stands, what you know what the timing is there.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:57 - 1:14:57)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:14:57 - 1:14:59)
Has there been a final determination that's been made?

[Speaker 4] (1:14:59 - 1:15:01)
believe the superintendent would

[Speaker 5] (1:15:01 - 1:15:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:01 - 1:15:04)
like to come before you all at the end of this month or next month to have that discussion.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:06 - 1:15:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:06 - 1:15:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:06 - 1:15:11)
So he reached out to me to ask if he could grab some time for us to have that conversation. So it's imminent.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:12 - 1:15:17)
And that had been happening in conjunction with us saying where could it possibly fit,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:17 - 1:15:19)
knowing that it's going to be a dead exclusion regardless,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:19 - 1:15:21)
but still like...

[Speaker 4] (1:15:21 - 1:15:30)
You don't want that type of exclusion on top of what's already being carried. So when do big things like the high school really start falling off and that that's sort of part

[Speaker 2] (1:15:30 - 1:15:30)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:30 - 1:15:35)
of the process that and the information that we want to provide to Jason so that any discussion here is informed.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:35 - 1:15:36)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
And

[Speaker 5] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:36 - 1:15:39)
it's all the same questions you're asking is information that Jason's already looking for.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:39 - 1:15:40)
Excellent.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:40 - 1:15:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:40 - 1:15:41)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:41 - 1:15:44)
So just to get to this slide,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:44 - 1:15:48)
it's been a good discussion, but I wanted to highlight this stuff.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:49 - 1:16:11)
These are those drivers at the bottom are items that are significant that we are estimating and that we are in some cases uncertain of uh where we're gonna land, in other cases not. So I'm just gonna run down them, feel free to stop at any point for questions. G_I_C_ looked at getting out number one, the timing is

[Speaker 4] (1:16:11 - 1:16:17)
Next it's 27 is when our contract is up going into July of 27 would be when we would be able to do that.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:17 - 1:16:18)
We are

[Speaker 6] (1:16:18 - 1:16:23)
Maybe Shannon can set us a reminder because we are terrible about remembering dates for the GIC.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:23 - 1:16:31)
So and also there's been a request we can request once in our contract sort of a global level of information that would help.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:32 - 1:16:59)
If we had a consultant sit down with us and say here are the options whether it's trying to encourage people with some sort of buyout so that they go to a spouse or partners and we not share the savings we give them some of the savings we keep the majority of it they would work on something like that but they also work with communities that are within GIC to see which plan might be most advantageous for for the community itself so that request is happening to get all that information

[Speaker 4] (1:16:59 - 1:17:01)
Twenty-seven is when we would be able to get out.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:01 - 1:17:08)
That being said, in the budget that we talked about in the fall we were carrying, I believe, 14.5% increase.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:09 - 1:17:18)
We went at the absolute top end of where they have ever been historically so that we were not having a discussion now saying, well, I had it at four and I was hopeful and it's actually much higher.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:19 - 1:17:21)
Where we will start to get some certainty tomorrow,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:21 - 1:17:23)
the board meets to talk about plan redesign,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:23 - 1:17:27)
and then on the 26th, unfortunately the day after our next meeting, is when they vote on rates.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:29 - 1:17:36)
I will just say, you know, I won't say I'm optimistic, but I'm not as pessimistic as I was in the fall.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:36 - 1:17:44)
After having discussions with folks at the Mass Municipal Association conference and talking to other people that are involved in this process,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:45 - 1:17:47)
I don't think that we'll be at that high end.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:47 - 1:17:50)
But for the time being, we're going to keep it there and then understand that's something that can,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:50 - 1:17:53)
if one of these other drivers comes higher than we anticipate,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:53 - 1:17:59)
it will help us make up that difference or ultimately result in a savings in those estimates that we had in the fall.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:59 - 1:17:59)
bad in the fall.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:00 - 1:18:06)
Collective bargaining, we're voting or ratifying rather the the police contract this evening.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:08 - 1:18:11)
Oh, I have to, I have a question on the GIC really

[Speaker 4] (1:18:11 - 1:18:11)
Okay, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:18:11 - 1:18:11)
quick.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:11 - 1:18:11)
sorry,

[Speaker 4] (1:18:11 - 1:18:12)
go ahead.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:12 - 1:18:16)
On the GIC, we were given estimates in...

[Speaker 2] (1:18:16 - 1:18:21)
February, March, but we didn't have final numbers until in May.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:22 - 1:18:22)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:22 - 1:18:24)
So how is that gonna line up?

[Speaker 2] (1:18:25 - 1:18:26)
Is that the same

[Speaker 4] (1:18:26 - 1:18:36)
So the the estimates that like last year as an example, the estimates in December were I think between nine and twelve, and it ended up being like twelve nine or

[Speaker 2] (1:18:36 - 1:18:36)
Came

[Speaker 4] (1:18:36 - 1:18:36)
thirteen.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:36 - 1:18:37)
in they came in higher

[Speaker 4] (1:18:37 - 1:18:37)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:37 - 1:18:39)
just as we were walking into

[Speaker 4] (1:18:39 - 1:18:39)
That

[Speaker 2] (1:18:39 - 1:18:40)
our meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:40 - 1:18:42)
well no, that number that number was becoming apparent

[Speaker 4] (1:18:43 - 1:18:44)
in March and February.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:44 - 1:18:45)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:45 - 1:18:51)
The final dial-in will it will take longer but we will have a very good idea of where the rates are and where we'll be after

[Speaker 2] (1:18:51 - 1:18:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:52 - 1:19:12)
the vote. I would say early March to give us and them time to you know do some of the math around it but they're voting on rates on February 26th so yes the final number comes later but we will have a much better idea if it's single digits which would be amazing then knowing that would be fantastic as opposed to continuing to carry 14.5% and hoping.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:13 - 1:19:14)
That will come in under.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:14 - 1:19:14)
Yeah, next time.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:14 - 1:19:24)
So with GIC, when Doug and I were working on this to get out of GIC, we were informed at the last minute that we had to give them a letter of intent to

[Speaker 2] (1:19:32 - 1:19:32)
That's in

[Speaker 1] (1:19:32 - 1:19:32)
next

[Speaker 2] (1:19:32 - 1:19:33)
December.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:33 - 1:19:44)
December. But one thing that was really interesting is there were different opportunities available available out there. And for example Boston got out of G_I_C_ and went with

[Speaker 1] (1:19:45 - 1:19:50)
Blue Cross Blue Shield in different packets. So I just want to make sure we start to get ourselves prepared in

[Speaker 3] (1:19:50 - 1:19:51)
advance Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:51 - 1:19:51)
for

[Speaker 4] (1:19:51 - 1:19:53)
That's what I heard you saying were

[Speaker 3] (1:19:53 - 1:19:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:53 - 1:19:53)
uh

[Speaker 5] (1:19:53 - 1:19:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:54 - 1:19:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:54 - 1:19:56)
yeah literally requesting the information

[Speaker 1] (1:19:56 - 1:19:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:57 - 1:19:57)
and

[Speaker 4] (1:19:58 - 1:20:02)
You you reference the potential consultant or something to help with this.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:02 - 1:20:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:03 - 1:20:08)
Is that a decision that you made in our progressing on or is if you need any I've vote

[Speaker 6] (1:20:08 - 1:20:08)
spoken

[Speaker 4] (1:20:08 - 1:20:09)
or anything from I've us or

[Speaker 6] (1:20:09 - 1:20:26)
spoken to them last fall right after I got here because I worked with them in Milton and then in the last three weeks been reaching out again because I want to get a sense of anticipated cost because we would need to build it into any budget so I don't have that yet she wanted to talk a little bit about what the scope would look like for us whether it's

[Speaker 6] (1:20:26 - 1:20:26)
It's

[Speaker 7] (1:20:26 - 1:20:26)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:27 - 1:20:39)
everything under the sun we wanna look at, like we wanna leave, we wanna see about buying people out or whatever the case is. Uh but they have sort of a a menu of things that they do for different communities that that will be the the kick-off discussion in

[Speaker 4] (1:20:39 - 1:20:39)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:39 - 1:20:46)
sort of their pitch where it's a free opportunity for us to learn uh and then we'd have to figure out what the scope would be and look at actual contract language and all that.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:47 - 1:20:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:49 - 1:20:49)
Okay?

[Speaker 6] (1:20:50 - 1:20:56)
Great. So collective bargaining, we still have fire, we still have library, DPW,

[Speaker 6] (1:20:56 - 1:21:02)
excuse me, expires at the end of this fiscal year and came in today to begin that reopening,

[Speaker 6] (1:21:02 - 1:21:04)
ground rules in a few weeks. So

[Speaker 6] (1:21:04 - 1:21:13)
Short way of saying there's a number of pieces that are still at play. We'll continue to have salary reserves, but also, you know, we would love to be moving towards settling these as well.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:14 - 1:21:18)
And as I mentioned, I thought you were trying to stop me from saying this, we'll be ratifying the police contract.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:18 - 1:21:23)
So that gives us some certainty over the next three years of what you anticipate there.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:24 - 1:21:25)
But again,

[Speaker 6] (1:21:25 - 1:21:33)
it's an open piece in where that lands and where the contracts may land between now and the end of the year have the ability to influence how close we get to.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:33 - 1:21:39)
to using any particular number in excess levy or not. So I wanted to highlight that.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:39 - 1:21:40)
Waste disposal.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:41 - 1:21:43)
To be completely frank,

[Speaker 6] (1:21:43 - 1:21:51)
when I saw Marblehead, I was super concerned as opposed to just being very concerned in talking a little bit more.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:51 - 1:22:18)
Um number one, what we're doing, the Solid Waste Advisory Committee has in their possession right now, or the working group, uh draft R_F_P_ that I'm asking them to make sure that they add, you know, I think Doug, you talked a little bit about services that are don't only be dollar driven, let's ask for the services we m we may want and then we can make the decision on what we wanna pay for. They're making sure we included that, and they're also tearing it apart to make sure we're not missing anything. So we meet again tomorrow on that.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:19 - 1:22:38)
Uh it's also with K_P_ to look at the contract that's within the R_F_P_ just to make sure it's good for form and um anticipating there'll be a couple changes, but we wanna get that out as soon as possible. I think when we think about things that are positive for us in this case, we already have the barrels, everyone's going um automated.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:38 - 1:23:04)
all of the, all the ser everyone that's gotten back to Gino and I, um so we would still be in at some point there would be a capital expense for the um recycling, the barrel of whatever size we end up going with, however we're partway there, because the money has been spent over time on the barrels that already exist and everyone can use even that thirty five gallon up to something much larger. It's sort of an arm that meets the size of the

[Speaker 4] (1:23:04 - 1:23:04)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:05 - 1:23:09)
The tote, so they can be two different sizes for recycling versus trash.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:10 - 1:23:10)
That's one benefit.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:11 - 1:23:12)
Also, I...

[Speaker 6] (1:23:12 - 1:23:19)
I am thankful I was not a part of the discussions when we went to a barrel that size, 'cause it is small, but it also limits our tonnage.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:19 - 1:23:19)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:23:19 - 1:23:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:20 - 1:23:33)
so looking at other communities that might either have no barrel right now, or they get one that's larger, um that was a difficult process that the community has already gone through that that could ultimately benefit us in this process because our total tonnage will be lower,

[Speaker 6] (1:23:34 - 1:23:41)
meaning the tipping, you know, comparatively speaking, would be less than someone that had five thousand tons a year instead of thirty three hundred, which is relatively where we are.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:41 - 1:23:41)
we are.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:41 - 1:23:52)
I'm not sure if I completely follow because if the arms can adjust to the smaller trash or the recycling the big recycling ones, why is there a big capital expenditure?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:52 - 1:23:53)
Because we don't have

[Speaker 6] (1:23:53 - 1:23:56)
We don't have any recycling, standard recycling barrels right now.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:57 - 1:23:58)
It's a free-for-all.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:59 - 1:23:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:23:59 - 1:24:00)
So instead of

[Speaker 10] (1:24:00 - 1:24:01)
We need a we need a we need a barrel. barrel.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:01 - 1:24:03)
And so it's about standardizing it. So

[Speaker 4] (1:24:03 - 1:24:05)
But if people already have one that's a big

[Speaker 6] (1:24:05 - 1:24:07)
I'm not I cannot possibly answer this.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:07 - 1:24:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:07 - 1:24:11)
Honestly, I know where you're going and I'd love to have the answer for you, but I don't.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:11 - 1:24:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:12 - 1:24:14)
Uh the idea would be that similar to trash,

[Speaker 6] (1:24:14 - 1:24:15)
it would be a standard barrel.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:16 - 1:24:19)
Everyone has it. The truck is dialed in to be picking that up

[Speaker 4] (1:24:19 - 1:24:20)
I got it, okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:20 - 1:24:21)
and dumping it overhead.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:22 - 1:24:31)
Um so that's waste disposal. We wanna get that out as soon as possible, but there's some things that I think are at least generally positive. Property and liability insurance we

[Speaker 11] (1:24:31 - 1:24:32)
Can I could? uh just

[Speaker 6] (1:24:32 - 1:24:32)
Go ahead,

[Speaker 11] (1:24:32 - 1:24:32)
ask an

[Speaker 6] (1:24:32 - 1:24:32)
sorry.

[Speaker 11] (1:24:32 - 1:24:34)
additional question on waste um

[Speaker 11] (1:24:35 - 1:24:41)
If everyone's going automated, what happens to blue bags and what happens to overflow waste?

[Speaker 6] (1:24:41 - 1:24:46)
That is, the blue bags are part of the conversations we've had in anticipation of drafting this.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:46 - 1:24:50)
One vendor said, well, they'll just need to get a second barrel.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:50 - 1:24:50)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:50 - 1:24:53)
The second vendor said,

[Speaker 6] (1:24:53 - 1:24:53)
put it on top,

[Speaker 6] (1:24:54 - 1:24:58)
that it is standard practice for someone to just have to jump out if it drops off.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:58 - 1:25:01)
But most of them, they're like, they're doing this hundreds of times a day.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:01 - 1:25:10)
If they are gentle enough picking it up that something can sit on top and be dropped in as long as it's the right color and it doesn't have prohibited materials and that type of thing.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:10 - 1:25:10)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:10 - 1:25:13)
So it's part of the RFP to say that we would like that and

[Speaker 11] (1:25:13 - 1:25:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:13 - 1:25:24)
the one vendor who said they can't do it, we would push them in any negotiation to get them to be willing to do it. We don't think that the usage of that works in a way.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:25 - 1:25:39)
That it makes sense to, you know, the answer being you need two barrels if you're getting one extra bag ten times a year, it's like it just it doesn't make sense logically. So we're that's something that we've highlighted in the R_P_

[Speaker 11] (1:25:39 - 1:25:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:41 - 1:25:44)
Are there I'll stop just jumping ahead. Are there any other questions?

[Speaker 6] (1:25:47 - 1:25:50)
No? Okay. Um property and liability.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:51 - 1:25:54)
I think originally we were at five percent. Is that right, Patrick?

[Speaker 4] (1:25:54 - 1:25:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:54 - 1:25:58)
And the feedback we've gotten from our vendors, it's gonna be closer to nine percent

[Speaker 6] (1:25:59 - 1:26:01)
um as a conservative plan for.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:02 - 1:26:08)
Uh so, you know, as with all of these we're always willing to have conversations to make sure the coverage is appropriate,

[Speaker 6] (1:26:09 - 1:26:16)
the vendors are right. Um but it's again one of these items that I wanted to highlight. Does someone have a question? Anyone?

[Speaker 1] (1:26:17 - 1:26:18)
Is that going out to bid?

[Speaker 1] (1:26:19 - 1:26:20)
We t we went out to bid

[Speaker 6] (1:26:20 - 1:26:20)
Last

[Speaker 1] (1:26:20 - 1:26:21)
just recently.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:21 - 1:26:21)
was last year, right?

[Speaker 11] (1:26:21 - 1:26:22)
I.

[Speaker 12] (1:26:22 - 1:26:33)
So we we changed brokers and the broker markets each of our policies, w whether it's uh property coverage, various liability coverage, workers'

[Speaker 12] (1:26:33 - 1:26:34)
comp, um

[Speaker 12] (1:26:34 - 1:26:48)
police and fire injury policies, they market those to carriers. So they're actually taking our risk profile market marketing that out to various carriers and coming back with the results from that. So that's the exercise they're doing right now.

[Speaker 12] (1:26:48 - 1:26:56)
And we have a meeting with them uh on the seventeenth I believe to go over the results of that. So they gave us nine percent as a a preliminary estimate.

[Speaker 13] (1:26:57 - 1:26:59)
Did they say why, if we were planning

[Speaker 12] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59)
Uh

[Speaker 13] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59)
on

[Speaker 12] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59)
that's

[Speaker 13] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59)
flagging,

[Speaker 12] (1:26:59 - 1:27:00)
what I'm gonna find

[Speaker 13] (1:27:00 - 1:27:00)
what the

[Speaker 12] (1:27:00 - 1:27:00)
out.

[Speaker 13] (1:27:00 - 1:27:01)
variable is, what

[Speaker 12] (1:27:01 - 1:27:01)
If

[Speaker 13] (1:27:01 - 1:27:01)
that's

[Speaker 12] (1:27:01 - 1:27:02)
that's that's

[Speaker 13] (1:27:02 - 1:27:02)
driving

[Speaker 12] (1:27:02 - 1:27:06)
what they're gonna go over in our meeting, they have to talk to the c all the carriers first.

[Speaker 12] (1:27:07 - 1:27:09)
So it's a little bit of a waiting game.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:13 - 1:27:13)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:14 - 1:27:14)
If I follow.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:17 - 1:27:18)
Thinking of a question or just being thoughtful?

[Speaker 6] (1:27:20 - 1:27:20)
If I follow.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:21 - 1:27:21)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:21 - 1:27:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:22 - 1:27:22)
Looks like you might.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:23 - 1:27:23)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:27:23 - 1:27:24)
Oh, I'm just feeling sick.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:26 - 1:27:28)
Well let's see what happens on the 17th,

[Speaker 6] (1:27:28 - 1:27:28)
You should ask Patrick

[Speaker 11] (1:27:28 - 1:27:29)
where we

[Speaker 6] (1:27:29 - 1:27:31)
what it's like to listen to me all day talking about trash.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:31 - 1:27:32)
You're not feeling great.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:34 - 1:27:36)
So Essex Tech admission lottery,

[Speaker 6] (1:27:36 - 1:27:37)
this is another one to highlight.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:37 - 1:27:43)
It is a Essex Tech district-wide problem for everyone that's not a city.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:45 - 1:27:46)
Because of a lawsuit,

[Speaker 6] (1:27:46 - 1:27:48)
the admission process has changed.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:49 - 1:27:56)
It used to involve interviews and a lot of subjective decisions being made throughout the process. It is now a blind lottery,

[Speaker 6] (1:27:56 - 1:28:00)
and they have reallocated the number of spots by community.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:00 - 1:28:07)
Uh the result of that is that, you know, we had I think thirty total t students if I have my notes right

[Speaker 13] (1:28:08 - 1:28:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:08 - 1:28:12)
in there now, our minimum target is twenty three for next year.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:12 - 1:28:17)
And I think we have thirty nine applicants as of today. There's a lot it sounds

[Speaker 6] (1:28:19 - 1:28:41)
Somewhat frightening, and I've talked to other TAs and this is something that I think at large will be addressed, not for this admission cycle, but there's gonna be a lot of discussion going forward, because at the end of the day it was sort of the city's limited their number of students and, you know, Marble had one up to thirty nine, we're at twenty three and I think it's five for or twenty

[Speaker 13] (1:28:41 - 1:28:41)
Seven.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:41 - 1:28:44)
eight, in you know. It's a

[Speaker 6] (1:28:44 - 1:28:51)
It's a big jump, the one thing that with it being a lottery and the sort of barrier to entry being much lower now,

[Speaker 6] (1:28:51 - 1:29:09)
talking to Jason and Superintendent Linfield and other places, more people are applying than they did in the past, because now it's getting an application and see what happens, as opposed to getting an application and go through a process that requires in person interviews, recommendations and all these other things. So in short, we don't know how it will

[Speaker 6] (1:29:10 - 1:29:19)
sort of shake out in the end, but it's something that, you know, to use my town, Linfield as an example, it's driving part of a deficit when they had what they thought was a balanced budget. Uh or

[Speaker 2] (1:29:22 - 1:29:26)
But correct me if I'm wrong, we only pay for who actually goes, correct?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:26 - 1:29:26)
Correct, it's just an estimate.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:26 - 1:29:31)
the twenty three. So we would obviously estimate assume all twenty three are going, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:31 - 1:29:36)
And we would know that it can't ever be more than X, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:36 - 1:29:36)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:37 - 1:29:38)
So isn't

[Speaker 1] (1:29:38 - 1:29:38)
It

[Speaker 2] (1:29:38 - 1:29:38)
it a

[Speaker 1] (1:29:38 - 1:29:38)
the only

[Speaker 2] (1:29:38 - 1:29:38)
savings?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:38 - 1:29:39)
hold on.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:39 - 1:29:39)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:39 - 1:29:39)
The

[Speaker 3] (1:29:39 - 1:29:39)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:39 - 1:29:42)
the the can't be more than X would be thirty nine.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:42 - 1:29:45)
The minimum is twenty three for our

[Speaker 2] (1:29:45 - 1:29:46)
target. Oh, that that's the minimum.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:46 - 1:29:49)
So if another town exhausts all their spots,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:49 - 1:29:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:49 - 1:29:55)
and they have no more applicants, and then they go back through the list and there's still sixteen from that are still interested in going,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:55 - 1:29:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:56 - 1:30:01)
uh the best lottery number would be offered a spot. So if everyone was

[Speaker 4] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:01 - 1:30:02)
was

[Speaker 4] (1:30:02 - 1:30:02)
it's yes it's lottery.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:02 - 1:30:02)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:02 - 1:30:07)
So tw so what does tw so twenty three for Swampscott really means nothing when it can be more than that.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:07 - 1:30:08)
It's the it's

[Speaker 5] (1:30:08 - 1:30:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:08 - 1:30:09)
the floor for

[Speaker 2] (1:30:09 - 1:30:09)
The floor.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:09 - 1:30:09)
how many they

[Speaker 2] (1:30:09 - 1:30:10)
It's a minimum.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:10 - 1:30:10)
would like to have from

[Speaker 6] (1:30:10 - 1:30:10)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:10 - 1:30:16)
Swanscott. That being said with 39 applicants, it can reality there's only seven. They're not gonna shake

[Speaker 2] (1:30:16 - 1:30:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:16 - 1:30:18)
the tree to get sixteen more, but

[Speaker 2] (1:30:18 - 1:30:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:22)
if the if the demand exists, it's twenty three is the floor.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:23 - 1:30:34)
And then if they get through that and other communities are not hitting their number, then they would go back to people that are beyond the the twenty three number twenty four through thirty nine in town would be offered a spot if they're interested in going still.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:34 - 1:30:39)
So to Mary Ellen's point, I think, why do we know this is a bad thing, financially?

[Speaker 2] (1:30:40 - 1:30:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:41 - 1:30:41)
At this point,

[Speaker 8] (1:30:41 - 1:30:42)
We don't.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:42 - 1:30:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:42 - 1:30:43)
We don't. I'm highlighting it,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:43 - 1:30:43)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:43 - 1:30:44)
we're highlighting it could be.

[Speaker 9] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
All

[Speaker 9] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
a sure uncertainty

[Speaker 1] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
of these,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:45 - 1:30:46)
okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:30:46 - 1:30:46)
in it.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:46 - 1:30:49)
basically all of these are uncertainties that could take it from

[Speaker 7] (1:30:49 - 1:30:52)
Well, they're all pretty much bad. You just don't know how bad.

[Speaker 9] (1:30:52 - 1:30:53)
We don't know how bad

[Speaker 7] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
our

[Speaker 7] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
expense

[Speaker 2] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
No.

[Speaker 8] (1:30:53 - 1:30:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:54 - 1:30:54)
okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:30:54 - 1:30:54)
are.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:54 - 1:30:54)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:54 - 1:30:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:55 - 1:30:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:55 - 1:31:01)
And so just as with GIC, the number could come in lower than we're carrying. With this, it could be that in reality there were a lot of folks that were

[Speaker 7] (1:31:01 - 1:31:01)
There.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:01 - 1:31:03)
applying because it's easier this year and

[Speaker 7] (1:31:03 - 1:31:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:03 - 1:31:06)
at the end of the day they decided they wanted to stay here.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:06 - 1:31:09)
One of the pathways that to innovation made more sense than going to

[Speaker 2] (1:31:09 - 1:31:10)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:10 - 1:31:15)
Den or Middleton every day, you know, so it's or Danvers wherever they are, but they're on the border somewhere.

[Speaker 10] (1:31:15 - 1:31:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:15 - 1:31:17)
Yeah they are, yeah you're right, it's just it's

[Speaker 10] (1:31:17 - 1:31:17)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:31:17 - 1:31:17)
uh

[Speaker 10] (1:31:17 - 1:31:21)
but just for clarity's sake, there's thirty s there's thirty swamp skug currently

[Speaker 1] (1:31:21 - 1:31:22)
Currently enrolled.

[Speaker 10] (1:31:22 - 1:31:24)
and there's thirty currently in the ninth grade class and

[Speaker 1] (1:31:24 - 1:31:25)
There's thirty uh

[Speaker 2] (1:31:25 - 1:31:25)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:25 - 1:31:26)
total.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:26 - 1:31:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:26 - 1:31:27)
Total. Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:31:27 - 1:31:27)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:27 - 1:31:30)
I think last year was fifteen and the other years are single digits,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:30 - 1:31:31)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
you

[Speaker 2] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
about

[Speaker 1] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
know.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:31 - 1:31:32)
the average, Don't we have nine. never used

[Speaker 11] (1:31:32 - 1:31:33)
don't we have less kids

[Speaker 2] (1:31:33 - 1:31:39)
less kids wanting to go there than more. I thought that that the number was getting

[Speaker 12] (1:31:39 - 1:31:40)
Oh my god, this year.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:41 - 1:31:41)
Huh.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:41 - 1:31:48)
Hey I mean those are numbers that have that apply, right? That doesn't necessarily mean everyone that applies wants to even go, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:48 - 1:31:50)
It's similar to the I mean

[Speaker 2] (1:31:50 - 1:31:50)
I believe

[Speaker 1] (1:31:50 - 1:31:53)
in it. some ways to the college process where there's a common application

[Speaker 2] (1:31:53 - 1:31:53)
It used to be very

[Speaker 1] (1:31:53 - 1:31:53)
and

[Speaker 2] (1:31:53 - 1:31:53)
streamlined,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:53 - 1:31:54)
you can fire

[Speaker 2] (1:31:54 - 1:31:55)
it was difficult to get in.

[Speaker 13] (1:31:55 - 1:31:55)
everywhere.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:55 - 1:32:01)
because it's easy. And even though they're not interested necessarily in going to all of those places, so it's it's

[Speaker 14] (1:32:01 - 1:32:01)
It's my brother. It's

[Speaker 1] (1:32:01 - 1:32:01)
we're uncertain

[Speaker 14] (1:32:01 - 1:32:02)
a lot of jobs.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:02 - 1:32:04)
of how many of those thirty nine would go if they get off

[Speaker 13] (1:32:04 - 1:32:04)
Twenty

[Speaker 1] (1:32:04 - 1:32:04)
of the spot.

[Speaker 13] (1:32:04 - 1:32:05)
votes cast for

[Speaker 2] (1:32:05 - 1:32:05)
Twenty.

[Speaker 13] (1:32:05 - 1:32:05)
them.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:07 - 1:32:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:08 - 1:32:09)
So,

[Speaker 15] (1:32:09 - 1:32:09)
Oh my

[Speaker 1] (1:32:09 - 1:32:10)
with that goodness. good news

[Speaker 15] (1:32:10 - 1:32:12)
Is this second slide the good news?

[Speaker 1] (1:32:12 - 1:32:13)
No no, things

[Speaker 15] (1:32:13 - 1:32:13)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (1:32:13 - 1:32:13)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:13 - 1:32:13)
is not.

[Speaker 15] (1:32:13 - 1:32:13)
there is a sign.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:13 - 1:32:17)
I do I do have a question though, is as we're talking about the budget process,

[Speaker 2] (1:32:17 - 1:32:28)
I think, you know, so we're looking at before we had, you know, our we would do our budgets 2% plus new growth, etc.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:28 - 1:32:29)
And then

[Speaker 2] (1:32:30 - 1:32:40)
that seemed to be a lot of pressure and we have a two point five percent plus new growth I mean it could and then the third question the third variable is

[Speaker 2] (1:32:41 - 1:32:50)
what are we doing as far as w what are our thoughts as far as the unused levy I mean how are we gonna really frame up this conversation?

[Speaker 1] (1:32:52 - 1:32:59)
So if I could just what I'd asked in December was exactly that. And so I asked if you wanted to come in at level funding,

[Speaker 2] (1:32:59 - 1:32:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:59 - 1:33:02)
which would implicate less or none.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:02 - 1:33:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:02 - 1:33:07)
And the answer seemed to be no, do the two and two and a half plus four twenty five.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:07 - 1:33:07)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:07 - 1:33:12)
And so that's what we've been building out. And it shows a deficit. And so trying to

[Speaker 1] (1:33:12 - 1:33:16)
refine that deficit to as hard a number as we can is where we are.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:16 - 1:33:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:16 - 1:33:25)
And I wanted to highlight these are the, we've done a lot of that with department heads, I'm sure, you know, my preference would be to do it a little different than last year.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:25 - 1:33:33)
So give me direction that we need to continue to make cuts, I'll sit down with folks and come back, we can iterate that way. Um but I think really any,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:33 - 1:33:39)
as of right now, anything that we're coming to you at the end of the month with would ha

[Speaker 1] (1:33:39 - 1:33:41)
uh use excess levy capacity.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:42 - 1:33:49)
And from there it'd be, you know, more than happy to take feedback from you all for Patrick and I to go back and change that. But that was the direction that we had gotten back in December.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:52 - 1:33:53)
So just to remind everyone.

[Speaker 15] (1:33:53 - 1:34:00)
Yeah, sorry I think in December we had said like, you know, basically if we went to level set funding we would

[Speaker 15] (1:34:00 - 1:34:01)
like

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:02)
It's draconian cuts to

[Speaker 15] (1:34:02 - 1:34:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:03 - 1:34:03)
not implicate.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:03 - 1:34:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 15] (1:34:03 - 1:34:25)
Right. I mean like there would be full departments lost at, I think. So like I don't, I think it's got to be somewhere probably in between what is level set and I mean obviously we're looking now to say let's get it to its barest bones under the two and a half plus 425 and then when we.

[Speaker 15] (1:34:26 - 1:34:36)
When we can't cut any further without getting to bone, then we have the conversations about do we keep cutting or do we look at how much levy.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:37 - 1:34:48)
Right. When we start to look at how much levy we really have to be really clear on how we're working down that number and how long we can sustain that.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:48 - 1:34:51)
So just want all the information out there.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:51 - 1:34:54)
And I think part of this discussion tonight is to highlight that.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:54 - 1:35:10)
That that work started prior to my being here, like you all certainly went through that in past years. These are things that are outside of our ability to cut. These are things that as a community we've decided what we would like for waste disposal. As a community we

[Speaker 2] (1:35:10 - 1:35:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:10 - 1:35:22)
make decisions about how we want to pay employees for collective bargaining and that's the priorities and the values of the community are what we're reflecting. These are d I wanted to highlight things that are big expenses that we

[Speaker 1] (1:35:23 - 1:35:25)
We can put our finger on the scale in some spots,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:25 - 1:35:36)
but they're largely outside of the realm of the type of thing you're talking about where make sure we cut everything that we can to be as lean as possible on uh salary and expense. You know?

[Speaker 15] (1:35:41 - 1:35:41)
Very good.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:42 - 1:35:43)
Any other questions?

[Speaker 15] (1:35:44 - 1:35:49)
I do just want to note that the charter requires us to vote on the pass

[Speaker 15] (1:35:49 - 1:35:53)
Pass the budget to right by the end by the beginning of March. So I

[Speaker 1] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
think Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 15] (1:35:53 - 1:35:58)
we will be a couple days late because of the timing of these meetings.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:58 - 1:35:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 15] (1:35:58 - 1:35:59)
Um

[Speaker 7] (1:35:59 - 1:36:01)
First of past, first

[Speaker 15] (1:36:01 - 1:36:02)
first to pass

[Speaker 7] (1:36:02 - 1:36:05)
he's got he has to propose it by March 1st, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:36:05 - 1:36:08)
which we will do. I I do think that

[Speaker 15] (1:36:08 - 1:36:08)
Do we have to vote

[Speaker 1] (1:36:08 - 1:36:08)
I think

[Speaker 15] (1:36:08 - 1:36:09)
on it then?

[Speaker 1] (1:36:09 - 1:36:11)
I well I think we are supposed to,

[Speaker 15] (1:36:11 - 1:36:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:11 - 1:36:13)
but I think historically it

[Speaker 2] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13)
It has

[Speaker 1] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13)
has

[Speaker 2] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13)
voted.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:13 - 1:36:15)
been presented in February.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:15 - 1:36:16)
You have

[Speaker 2] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16)
in presented years.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:16 - 1:36:17)
in February.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:17 - 1:36:29)
Right, and I I certainly think that as I've said uh several times our goal going forward with a fully built finance staff and a full year under my belt, a full fiscal year that I'm here for the whole thing, we will

[Speaker 15] (1:36:29 - 1:36:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:29 - 1:36:31)
all of this will happen earlier we anticipate,

[Speaker 2] (1:36:31 - 1:36:31)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:31 - 1:36:32)
we've already talked about

[Speaker 1] (1:36:32 - 1:36:35)
about coming in August with the first

[Speaker 1] (1:36:35 - 1:36:37)
sort of iteration of what we can expect

[Speaker 15] (1:36:37 - 1:36:38)
Well, it was going

[Speaker 1] (1:36:38 - 1:36:39)
at a very high

[Speaker 15] (1:36:39 - 1:36:39)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:36:39 - 1:36:39)
level. Sorry.

[Speaker 15] (1:36:39 - 1:36:44)
turn that lemon to lemonade, which is to say that that is probably the closest to the charter we've

[Speaker 1] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 15] (1:36:44 - 1:36:55)
been in recent history is getting that through at that timeline, and that's even with the deficits y'all have faced with staffing. And so while we're not quite up to snuff as the charter,

[Speaker 15] (1:36:56 - 1:36:57)
we are getting better,

[Speaker 15] (1:36:57 - 1:36:59)
and we will continue to do that.

[Speaker 15] (1:36:59 - 1:37:01)
That's the secondary I was going to make about that,

[Speaker 15] (1:37:01 - 1:37:02)
acknowledging that because I know.

[Speaker 15] (1:37:02 - 1:37:04)
sort of talked

[Speaker 15] (1:37:05 - 1:37:06)
about.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:07 - 1:37:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 15] (1:37:08 - 1:37:09)
Thank you. Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:10 - 1:37:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 15] (1:37:12 - 1:37:12)
Okay,

[Speaker 15] (1:37:12 - 1:37:14)
we are moving on to the

[Speaker 15] (1:37:16 - 1:37:42)
MOA discussion between the town of Swampscott and the Mass Coalition of Police Local 417 and this is a discussion and possible vote to confirm our executive session vote and ratify the collective bargaining agreement between the town of Swampscott and the Mass Coalition of Police Local 417 through June 30th 2028 this agreement was previously discussed in executive session on January 26 2026 under

[Speaker 15] (1:37:43 - 1:37:47)
Mass General Law Section 30A, Subsection 21A3.

[Speaker 15] (1:37:49 - 1:37:55)
So we discussed an executive session that's now required that we discuss publicly an open session,

[Speaker 15] (1:37:56 - 1:38:00)
the memo of agreement between the town and the police union.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:04 - 1:38:05)
Are you going to do a summary?

[Speaker 1] (1:38:06 - 1:38:06)
I if you

[Speaker 15] (1:38:06 - 1:38:06)
Do

[Speaker 1] (1:38:06 - 1:38:07)
buy it

[Speaker 15] (1:38:07 - 1:38:07)
you want to do it?

[Speaker 1] (1:38:07 - 1:38:08)
I didn't know how you wanted to move forward.

[Speaker 15] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
Discuss

[Speaker 1] (1:38:08 - 1:38:09)
What would you?

[Speaker 15] (1:38:09 - 1:38:09)
it.

[Speaker 15] (1:38:10 - 1:38:11)
A summary is good,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:11 - 1:38:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 15] (1:38:11 - 1:38:13)
just for public consumption,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:13 - 1:38:13)
Sure.

[Speaker 15] (1:38:13 - 1:38:13)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:38:13 - 1:38:18)
So and I think the the highlights that I'll touch on are, you know, from a wage standpoint,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:19 - 1:38:26)
the increases over the three years are 3%, 2% and 3%. In year two,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:26 - 1:38:30)
there's also a post stipend that is added, which is 2%.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:31 - 1:38:58)
Um there's a number of other housekeeping items and uh small changes, but I think the other large one that we wanna highlight, and it gets to the point I was just making about sort of the the value judgments that are made in the community, uh we've added uh an equivalent of a full Quinn to support an education incentive for our uh police officers. This will put us on par and I think largely make us more competitive in both retaining

[Speaker 1] (1:38:58 - 1:39:01)
and recruiting new officers or transfer officers.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:01 - 1:39:08)
A lot of the folks that we were seeing come in were coming, getting some experience, and moving to communities that offer this.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:09 - 1:39:12)
And so our hope is that it will certainly improve retention,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:12 - 1:39:12)
but also help recruitment.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14)
So we're...

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:17)
So we're, you know, looking forward to that bearing fruit.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:18 - 1:39:24)
In addition, on the town side, there were some changes made to the calculation of vacation time,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:24 - 1:39:35)
which I think ultimately will give a lot more flexibility and control to the chief and future chiefs in making sure that we can do everything we can to manage overtime and better manage the department overall.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:36 - 1:39:52)
So those are some of the highlights from us. I'm happy to answer any questions there may there may be, but I think on the wage uh the stipend and the education incentive, it's really about us doing what we can to make sure that uh we're recruiting and retaining the best possible officers.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:54 - 1:40:09)
Thanks, Mr. Chairman, Administrator. Um you know we we literally the previous slide was was just talking about drivers of collective bargaining agreement as we're as we're talking about our fiscal year twenty seven process uh uh budget process. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:40:10 - 1:40:21)
and you know we're we're talking about contracts that are going to be in excess of uh in excess of our financial guidelines and our financial policies. So how do we manage our budget?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:21 - 1:40:24)
And I'm not picking on the police contract at all.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:25 - 1:40:36)
I understand that there are other considerations, but how do we, you know, how do we enter collective bargaining agreements that are outside of our financial guidelines without blowing up our budgets?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:37 - 1:40:38)
How do we do that?

[Speaker 1] (1:40:38 - 1:40:40)
As I was suggesting,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:40 - 1:40:42)
I think one of the opportunities.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:43 - 1:40:46)
And goals is to manage overtime better.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:46 - 1:40:49)
Certainly when we're talking about public safety contracts specifically,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:49 - 1:40:58)
historically we have been carrying numbers that do not reflect what we're spending. We're on an annual basis making transfers to cover,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:59 - 1:41:03)
to get to sort of five year average spends rather than

[Speaker 1] (1:41:03 - 1:41:14)
you know, budgeting uh appropriately from the beginning. I think ultimately the the goal here is to give the flexibility and control to the chief in a way that he can better manage that and hopefully uh

[Speaker 1] (1:41:14 - 1:41:22)
that will allow us to manage something that is outside our fiscal guideline because it was a decision that was made that uh this type of investment

[Speaker 1] (1:41:23 - 1:41:44)
In this contract made sense both from the sort of what could be if we ended up in JMLC or somewhere else in sort of a mediation that is binding or if we were going to come to an agreement that allowed us to collectively bargain and though there were some hard discussions come to something that worked for both sides as best as it could at the end.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:47 - 1:42:01)
Yeah, I think the commentary here is certainly driven predominantly by, you know, when we talked about the teaching contract and we saw, you know, many towns and cities go on strike with their teachers and not come to an agreement and sort of where that left communities.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:02 - 1:42:09)
The same too can be said about the police contract and to end up at JMLC and not be able to...

[Speaker 3] (1:42:10 - 1:42:22)
truly control a lot of that process as we can here in town when when all the stakeholders are at the table there's a value to coming to an understanding and agreement with

[Speaker 3] (1:42:24 - 1:42:46)
Swampscott truly at the value like the heart of that value versus JMLC which is just you know the average of what everybody else is getting brought down onto Swampscott so I know you know KP talked about that a lot and I think it's something that we really had to take into consideration and sort of a risk.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:47 - 1:42:48)
reward conversation.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:49 - 1:43:01)
I also think that we've heard the police union, we've seen the chief here talk about hiring more than any other topic, I have think in my entire tenure on the board,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:01 - 1:43:04)
and that is because we cannot retain talent,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:04 - 1:43:11)
and a lot of that relates to not just wage but also training.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:12 - 1:43:39)
um and people will start here and then they'll hop somewhere else and and that just creates this cycle of always trying to find talent and that causes overtime it causes consternation with the union it causes us to be like why we continue to have this question why can't we retain talent hopefully this is an investment in that retention and um you know we can't fully control that people want to go then

[Speaker 3] (1:43:39 - 1:43:50)
if they if we're not the right fit or they're not the right fit for us then that's fine but I hope that this moves us in the right direction to be less short-sighted about that on the go forward.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:50 - 1:43:55)
No, understood. And just from my perspective, I'm supportive of this.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:56 - 1:43:59)
I just think it's important that we're conveying that message

[Speaker 3] (1:43:59 - 1:43:59)
Yeah I

[Speaker 2] (1:43:59 - 1:44:02)
to the agree. public and John Q and Jane Q taxpayer.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:02 - 1:44:04)
Yep absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:04 - 1:44:24)
So hopefully the current spend, you know, I'm not going to jump and say it'll be a savings, but it will definitely be an investment in, you know, the future operations and the idea of investing in our police force to stay our police force for a long period of time and not having to go through these cycles of hiring.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:24 - 1:44:24)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:24 - 1:44:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:25 - 1:44:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:27 - 1:44:54)
So I'd just like to thank uh you, Nick, and, you know, the support we have from K_P_ and the police union, I mean I wasn't, you know, around for the prior negotiation, but uh given all the kind of uh it seemed to be anxiety about the these negotiations and how they would go and what would happen and all that stuff, I mean I I feel like we got to a a relatively reasonable position in a relatively uh relatively speedy manner.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:54 - 1:45:07)
Um so uh I I appreciate that from all sides. And uh with that I'd make a motion to authorise the chair of the town administrator to execute the agreement um with the Mass Coalition Police Local 417.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:07 - 1:45:08)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:09 - 1:45:10)
So I think you also need

[Speaker 1] (1:45:10 - 1:45:10)
Can I

[Speaker 3] (1:45:10 - 1:45:11)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:45:11 - 1:45:11)
can I

[Speaker 3] (1:45:11 - 1:45:11)
confirm

[Speaker 1] (1:45:11 - 1:45:11)
just make a

[Speaker 3] (1:45:11 - 1:45:12)
the previous exce

[Speaker 1] (1:45:12 - 1:45:13)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:13 - 1:45:13)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:13 - 1:45:13)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:13 - 1:45:14)
Oh, and uh yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:14 - 1:45:18)
Uh so maybe we'll take them if you wouldn't mind making that one first, then

[Speaker 1] (1:45:18 - 1:45:18)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:45:18 - 1:45:18)
I'll go I to

[Speaker 1] (1:45:18 - 1:45:19)
I wouldn't mind.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:19 - 1:45:21)
I I should have, yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:21 - 1:45:35)
Um so I'd uh move to vote to confirm the previous executive session vote and ratify the collective bargaining agreement between the town of Swampscott and Massachusetts Coalition of Police Local 417 through June 30th 2028.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:37 - 1:45:37)
A second?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:37 - 1:45:38)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:38 - 1:45:39)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:45:39 - 1:45:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:39 - 1:45:40)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:40 - 1:45:40)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:40 - 1:45:45)
And I'd also move to vote to authorize the chair of the town administrator to execute the agreement and related documents.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:46 - 1:45:46)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:46 - 1:45:47)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:47 - 1:45:48)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:45:48 - 1:45:48)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:48 - 1:45:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:49 - 1:45:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:50 - 1:45:51)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:52 - 1:45:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:55 - 1:46:00)
Okay, we will move on to the last agenda item under new and old business,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:00 - 1:46:04)
the discussion and possible vote on the Hawthorne reuse RFP recommendation.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:06 - 1:46:12)
I just want to acknowledge and appreciate David for sitting on the evaluation committee.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:13 - 1:46:17)
Appreciate you spending that extra time in this process, David. Thank you for that.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:17 - 1:46:17)
Thank you, David.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:17 - 1:46:17)
She waited.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:17 - 1:46:36)
And if I could just share the process, and then we can turn it over to you all to have the discussion. We like, uh we received uh two responses that we uh had the teams come in, spent approximately an hour with uh the evaluation group. The evaluation group was myself, Rich Baldacci, uh Marzee.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:36 - 1:46:36)
Well

[Speaker 1] (1:46:37 - 1:46:54)
um Max Casper and Dave. And so we had a twenty or thirty minute presentation from each roughly uh with conversation interspersed at different times, but certainly K_ and A_ following that. Um and then met to discuss the rankings um

[Speaker 1] (1:46:55 - 1:46:57)
on Tuesday, right? No,

[Speaker 2] (1:46:57 - 1:46:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:58 - 1:47:04)
on Monday. Monday afternoon um and the the presentations were done a week ago tonight.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:04 - 1:47:05)
So Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:06 - 1:47:14)
We had a little bit of time over the weekend to each think about it. We had a discussion about it. And as you can see from the scores that are presented up here on the screen,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:15 - 1:47:17)
they were relatively close,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:17 - 1:47:30)
very close. And in both cases, certainly opportunities for things to make them home runs because it's 93 and 91 out of 175. So there were opportunities that we saw for improvement in each, but it was a lively discussion.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:31 - 1:47:41)
Um I'm happy to answer questions related to our work at all, but um obviously David can also answer those as we're all on the same involved in the same discussions.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:41 - 1:47:45)
So my first question is, I see the scores,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:46 - 1:47:53)
looks like the first one is max, but there are not names on any of the others. Is there a way to figure out whose is whose or

[Speaker 2] (1:47:53 - 1:47:53)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:54 - 1:47:54)
I I can

[Speaker 7] (1:47:54 - 1:47:55)
or to figure

[Speaker 1] (1:47:55 - 1:47:55)
go back

[Speaker 7] (1:47:55 - 1:47:55)
their code out?

[Speaker 1] (1:47:55 - 1:47:59)
and I can figure that out. Uh if I look at them I can probably tell you three of them.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:00 - 1:48:02)
Uh while while we're doing that,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
that's yours.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
do we

[Speaker 7] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:48:02 - 1:48:03)
need

[Speaker 7] (1:48:03 - 1:48:03)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:03 - 1:48:03)
this

[Speaker 8] (1:48:03 - 1:48:03)
to give

[Speaker 1] (1:48:03 - 1:48:04)
is set. mine.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:04 - 1:48:04)
a public

[Speaker 7] (1:48:04 - 1:48:06)
I'll use that. Gotcha. Never mind,

[Speaker 8] (1:48:06 - 1:48:06)
summ

[Speaker 7] (1:48:06 - 1:48:06)
I got it.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:06 - 1:48:08)
summary of what

[Speaker 7] (1:48:08 - 1:48:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:08 - 1:48:10)
these are? These proposals?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:11 - 1:48:13)
If you yeah, I mean, I'm I'm happy to

[Speaker 8] (1:48:13 - 1:48:15)
Because the public has no idea at this point really.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:15 - 1:48:19)
Right, it's a procurement that ultimately you all are making the

[Speaker 8] (1:48:19 - 1:48:19)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (1:48:19 - 1:48:19)
determination

[Speaker 8] (1:48:19 - 1:48:19)
of course,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:19 - 1:48:20)
of what's most

[Speaker 8] (1:48:20 - 1:48:20)
of course.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:20 - 1:48:21)
advantageous.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:21 - 1:48:21)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:21 - 1:48:24)
Um I I will give a thumbnail, and

[Speaker 8] (1:48:24 - 1:48:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:24 - 1:48:26)
David, if you wanna jump in for each of them.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:28 - 1:48:36)
Limited time only is an activation that I think most akin to sort of the set up of a beer hall, it's as described to us anyway.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:37 - 1:48:42)
It would be food and beverage. The food would be, at least in the beginning term,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:42 - 1:48:48)
served out of likely food trucks or some sort of mobile concession that would

[Speaker 1] (1:48:48 - 1:48:52)
The outside um in the parking lot was the idea as described to us.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:53 - 1:49:09)
Uh there would be improvements made inside. Uh limited in scope to make sure that they could sort of get up and running as soon as possible and limit the resources that would be spent um on an initial start-up. And then it would it's an opportunity to see, you know, what would work and what what wouldn't. They talked about entertainment, they talked about

[Speaker 1] (1:49:09 - 1:49:22)
they talked about um community events, using it throughout the day for uh different groups, so that it's not only used as a place to come and have a beer and a bite to eat, but it could be someplace that uh a senior group meets at or a community group that wants to meet at during the day.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:27)
One of the highlights of their proposal for me anyway was when they discussed the idea of,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:27 - 1:49:32)
you know, having a night where it's Swanscott Youth Basketball, and so they're actually partnering with

[Speaker 1] (1:49:32 - 1:49:56)
With community non-profits to drive um, you know sort of customers and in business, but at the same time then returning that by giving them a a portion of um any proceeds and that type of thing. So it's uh it's sort of the softer touch to get started and and see what works and refine this the the plan as they go, uh but it's food and beverage service with other opportunities to expand that

[Speaker 1] (1:49:58 - 1:50:03)
as they see what works and what doesn't with the idea that they want to be activating as soon as the snow is

[Speaker 1] (1:50:04 - 1:50:12)
cleared basically so that you have a spring and summer runway to really build up interest and build a habit of coming down to to the location.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:13 - 1:50:14)
Yeah, I mean, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:14 - 1:50:25)
their their goal was their goal was really to open, you know, within the month of May or June, you know, as as Nick had stated, it was going to be certainly a lighter, a lighter touch,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:25 - 1:50:30)
less capital investment on the internal on the inside of the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:30 - 1:50:36)
uh more use of um of the outside uh there were gonna be, you know

[Speaker 2] (1:50:37 - 1:51:04)
outdoor outdoor events which would be complementary to the outdoor events that are held at town hall or you know or with with the town and one of the one of the highlights for me was really just the fact that they were going to try a number of things so similar to what the recreation department's doing at Clark where they're trying a you know a considerable amount of programming some of it may work some of it may not

[Speaker 2] (1:51:03 - 1:51:12)
not these guys really had that same idea, uh you know in pulling together a reversible low-risk improvements on the inside of the building

[Speaker 2] (1:51:13 - 1:51:31)
um to get it up and running quickly. Uh they don't wanna have you know a regulatory maze of trying to you know pull together a uh you know a brand new kitchen or or make extensive renovations to a to a building. They understand that this is going to be a short-term thirty month uh lease and um and they wanna get going.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:31 - 1:51:44)
and they want to get going quickly and they're willing to try a number of things and really invest in the community and support a number of local causes so I thought it was a really interesting proposal sure

[Speaker 3] (1:51:44 - 1:51:51)
And can you just touch upon the finances so that the folks who don't have all the information we have can understand?

[Speaker 2] (1:51:52 - 1:51:57)
so they were talking about they were talking about making an investment that was going to be somewhere

[Speaker 2] (1:51:57 - 1:51:59)
somewhere between, what, a hundred and two hundred thousand dollars?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:00 - 1:52:02)
I think two hundred was the number later, it started

[Speaker 2] (1:52:02 - 1:52:09)
Yeah, yeah, and they were gonna pay they were gonna pay the town um rent of approximately thirty thirty thousand dollars

[Speaker 1] (1:52:09 - 1:52:10)
Over the course of the term.

[Speaker 2] (1:52:11 - 1:52:26)
Yeah, over the course of the term and and there was also going to be um some type of percentage that was gonna go to um to local uh local causes, local organisations um that was not that was not specified, we didn't know

[Speaker 2] (1:52:25 - 1:52:52)
we did not receive a uh you know a draft profit loss or any type of um financials uh from these from these folks. They did say that they were gonna put their own money in and they were gonna raise um raise money for from um from local residents um but you know to that effect we didn't we didn't have any additional any additional financial uh information on which to uh to base our decision.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:53 - 1:53:02)
And obviously uh when we s when we sent the R_F_P_ we um like the lease is triple-net. They're

[Speaker 1] (1:53:02 - 1:53:03)
Triple-net, they're responsible paying utilities.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:03 - 1:53:04)
for utilities

[Speaker 1] (1:53:04 - 1:53:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:04 - 1:53:07)
and but we would obviously still carry insurance.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:07 - 1:53:09)
Yes. Just as we did with Anthony.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:09 - 1:53:16)
Just as we did. But uh it would be I assume the insurance is less if the building is occupied and in use versus vacant. Is Yeah, that okay

[Speaker 1] (1:53:16 - 1:53:16)
I think

[Speaker 3] (1:53:16 - 1:53:16)
or

[Speaker 1] (1:53:16 - 1:53:17)
the

[Speaker 3] (1:53:17 - 1:53:17)
something?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:17 - 1:53:20)
the one question that has remained is, you know, a

[Speaker 1] (1:53:21 - 1:53:27)
A community having an operating restaurant is not part of the normal risk profile of any, um,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:27 - 1:53:27)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:28 - 1:53:29)
any municipal insurance.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:29 - 1:53:30)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:30 - 1:53:30)
Policy.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:30 - 1:53:31)
Yeah, so

[Speaker 3] (1:53:31 - 1:53:33)
Is there like a rider or something we

[Speaker 1] (1:53:33 - 1:53:33)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:33 - 1:53:33)
need?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:33 - 1:53:35)
so that that would be the question is

[Speaker 4] (1:53:35 - 1:53:35)
That's what we had.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:35 - 1:53:48)
is we had that before but finalizing if that cost would change at all if it's going to be continued as opposed to I think they were well aware at the time that it was a year to year lease and this would be the same thing where we're saying it's a short term,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:48 - 1:53:50)
30 month use, you know.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:50 - 1:53:57)
Where would we be on that? But that would yes, we would have our insurance, they would have theirs, we'd be additionally insured and it's triple net,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:57 - 1:54:03)
less utilities and we are we go to great pains in there about the lack of capital investment that we will be making.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:05 - 1:54:12)
So that was discussed while we were all at the table just to sort of remind both parties that it's really as is, you know.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:12 - 1:54:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:13 - 1:54:13)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:13 - 1:54:13)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:54:13 - 1:54:24)
And if there were a significant failure in the building during the lease, I assume we'd draft in such a way to say if they did not want to make the investment, they could be out. If we didn't want to make the investment,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:24 - 1:54:26)
we could be out, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:54:26 - 1:54:28)
I believe so. I w I want to confirm how that's written,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:28 - 1:54:28)
but Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:29 - 1:54:31)
I'm there's there's ways out for both. Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:31 - 1:54:32)
Okay. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:32 - 1:54:48)
And I just and I just want to state, you know, just from the conversation that we had with the, you know, with with the limited time only group, the name limited time only they they understand that they're only going to be they're only going to be short term tenants of the property,

[Speaker 2] (1:54:48 - 1:54:55)
short term stewards of the property. It's it's in their name and it's it's it's it's fully it's fully understood.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:56 - 1:54:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:59 - 1:55:14)
I would just highlight, to underscore that I called that out for the other proposal and this was second, so I called it out for them as well. I think in both cases they're like oh in a perfect world everything goes great and we're like no, it's

[Speaker 3] (1:55:14 - 1:55:14)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:55:14 - 1:55:15)
30 months,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:15 - 1:55:15)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:15 - 1:55:15)
it's

[Speaker 6] (1:55:15 - 1:55:15)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:15 - 1:55:16)
over,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:16 - 1:55:17)
we have no authorization,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:17 - 1:55:17)
that's it.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:18 - 1:55:22)
And I actually started the Q&A with that with both groups just to really need

[Speaker 3] (1:55:22 - 1:55:22)
Get it a at

[Speaker 1] (1:55:22 - 1:55:23)
wet

[Speaker 3] (1:55:23 - 1:55:23)
home.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:23 - 1:55:29)
blanket to say like can everyone acknowledge that it says that regardless of what you drafted and everyone acknowledge it, but it's an important point.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:30 - 1:55:30)
But we just hadn't gotten

[Speaker 1] (1:55:30 - 1:55:31)
It's an to important

[Speaker 2] (1:55:31 - 1:55:31)
the second

[Speaker 1] (1:55:31 - 1:55:31)
po

[Speaker 2] (1:55:31 - 1:55:32)
to the second

[Speaker 1] (1:55:32 - 1:55:40)
I know it's an important point time to score that Mike's response was got it, this is, I see what's in there, yes, and limited time only is our name,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:40 - 1:55:40)
you

[Speaker 2] (1:55:40 - 1:55:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:40 - 1:55:40)
know.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:42 - 1:55:43)
Alright, do you want to uh

[Speaker 3] (1:55:44 - 1:55:46)
Go into the second proposal, give a little

[Speaker 7] (1:55:47 - 1:55:47)
You

[Speaker 1] (1:55:47 - 1:55:47)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:47 - 1:55:48)
doing the second one?

[Speaker 1] (1:55:48 - 1:56:03)
Sure. Uh so the second proposal is the Swanscot Center for the Arts. It's a multi-performing arts, I'm sorry. Um I I wrote it long wrong on my slide, that was why I was I missed misquoted there. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:56:04 - 1:56:26)
They are looking to do a number of things with this property, and it's um I would I think one of the scoring sheets said multi-venue, I think that's one of the best ways to to describe what they came to us with. Um it's the activation of what was the dining room as a you know a space for live music and other entertainment. Um.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:26 - 1:56:42)
Again, there is investment on the inside, it's much greater in this case. They're talking about a kitchen, they're talking about using the um what was the fish market as a Maria's Gourmet and um grab the bagel.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:43 - 1:56:51)
Um there's an area that they were discussing using as a way to tell the history of Swampscott and the entrance. There were a lot of different

[Speaker 1] (1:56:51 - 1:56:54)
Whereas Mike, I just Uh, the

[Speaker 8] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54)
it's

[Speaker 1] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54)
wanna

[Speaker 8] (1:56:54 - 1:56:56)
a gateway nautical museum and gift shop.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:56 - 1:56:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:56:56 - 1:56:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:56 - 1:56:57)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
Why?

[Speaker 1] (1:56:57 - 1:56:58)
sorry I'm not I'm sorry I'm not reading word

[Speaker 3] (1:56:58 - 1:56:58)
That language

[Speaker 1] (1:56:58 - 1:56:59)
for word, but

[Speaker 3] (1:56:59 - 1:56:59)
is

[Speaker 1] (1:56:59 - 1:57:03)
um so it's the idea that there's gonna be

[Speaker 3] (1:57:03 - 1:57:04)
In the clay pond.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:04 - 1:57:11)
It's the idea that there would be multiple different sources of revenue obviously for them and activation so that it is not only used in the evening,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:11 - 1:57:20)
it's not only used in the morning that there's throughout the day different uses that are activating the space and drawing um traffic to the area uh or to the building.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:21 - 1:57:30)
Um the the term in their case um is a payment of three hundred thousand over the course of the

[Speaker 1] (1:57:31 - 1:57:48)
The term of the lease, which, you know, if we're doing it month by month, it would be if it in a thirty month lease, ten a month. So, but there's also a significant investment on the inside, um both in the fish market side and the kitchen uh and in the dining room. Am I missing anything so far?

[Speaker 9] (1:57:49 - 1:57:51)
How much of an investment are they to upgrade?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:52 - 1:57:53)
What was the number that they

[Speaker 2] (1:57:53 - 1:57:58)
They they warranted that they were willing to spend a million dollars, Daniel?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:59 - 1:58:01)
and to to underline

[Speaker 3] (1:58:01 - 1:58:01)
For 30

[Speaker 1] (1:58:01 - 1:58:02)
and

[Speaker 3] (1:58:02 - 1:58:02)
months.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:02 - 1:58:03)
answer all righty supposedly.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:03 - 1:58:05)
Well, we'll get to that.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:05 - 1:58:06)
Skim to that part,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
David

[Speaker 3] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
I think.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:06 - 1:58:07)
David has feedback for that part.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:07 - 1:58:09)
Okay, please give the feedback.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:10 - 1:58:20)
So, you know, as I had mentioned previously about the first proposal where we didn't have a profit and loss or anything.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:21 - 1:58:34)
We didn't have any information with this proposal as well. The profit and loss was, you know, sign here and we'll give you some information.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:35 - 1:58:47)
You know, the fact that the respondents have secured a million dollar financing commitment from a local financial institution in support of the redevelopment and activation of the Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:47 - 1:58:52)
would lead me to conclude as a banker that there has to be a profit and loss statement

[Speaker 8] (1:58:52 - 1:58:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:52 - 1:58:54)
that would be evaluated.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:54 - 1:58:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:54 - 1:59:04)
I don't believe right now since there's not an approval from the select board or their uh or or plans, I don't see how there could possibly be

[Speaker 1] (1:59:13 - 1:59:15)
You know, but you know just furthermore,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:15 - 1:59:27)
you know, we're talking about you know, when we look at this evaluation criteria We are talking about seven different aspects where we're looking at the vision for the proposed property. We're talking about relative relevant experience

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:30)
Willingness to work within the town,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:30 - 1:59:36)
but the most important thing for me is the ability to execute on the proposed vision and

[Speaker 1] (1:59:36 - 2:00:04)
Looking at just just looking at numbers restaurants are typically pretty low margin types business type of businesses. So if you're talking about a million dollar build-out and you're talking about a three hundred thousand dollar payment to the town, I mean restaurants typically run on just ten percent margin let's say. So just for these guys to break to break even I mean they're having to do 13 million dollars of of sales in a 30-month period.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:05 - 2:00:11)
Um, I, I just, to me, I don't see that as being, as being, uh, feasible.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:11 - 2:00:18)
And, you know, that severely hinders the ability to execute on the proposed division, which is outlined, um,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:18 - 2:00:22)
in the proposal. At least that's how, at least that's, that's how I'm reading it.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:22 - 2:00:27)
What was the conversation in your meetings with them on that?

[Speaker 1] (2:00:28 - 2:00:34)
Well, in the proposal, their proposal, the first sentence, uh, says to the town of Swampskin,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:34 - 2:00:37)
On behalf of Johnny Ray and his executive team,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:37 - 2:00:45)
we are pleased to submit the proposal for the adaptive reuse and long-term operation of the Hawthorne property as the Swampscot Center for the Performing Arts.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:46 - 2:00:52)
So even though in the meeting they did indicate that they understand that it's a 30-month lease,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:53 - 2:00:57)
literally in the first sentence they're mentioning long-term operation.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:58 - 2:01:03)
They didn't give us any financials to be able to substantiate.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:03 - 2:01:04)
um

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:07)
their investment,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:07 - 2:01:21)
um whatsoever which is just as a banker is is concerning uh and on another on what page one two three four we talk about a collaborative long-term civic asset.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:22 - 2:01:31)
I mean, I I I don't know if they're talking about them being their long-term or this property being their long-term, but there's multiple mentions of this being long-term.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:32 - 2:01:41)
um, which just gives me pause as somebody who sat on that on uh, you know, on on that, on that

[Speaker 3] (2:01:41 - 2:01:41)
To the

[Speaker 1] (2:01:41 - 2:01:41)
committee.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:41 - 2:01:45)
question of the discussion that I did wanna say just so it didn't get buried,

[Speaker 3] (2:01:46 - 2:01:51)
I started the discussion by saying it says long term in

[Speaker 2] (2:01:51 - 2:01:51)
30

[Speaker 3] (2:01:51 - 2:01:51)
a few different places.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:51 - 2:01:52)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:52 - 2:01:56)
For us this is a thirty uh a decision on the next thirty months, that's

[Speaker 2] (2:01:56 - 2:01:56)
Right, so

[Speaker 3] (2:01:56 - 2:01:56)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:56 - 2:01:57)
we don't I don't

[Speaker 3] (2:01:57 - 2:01:57)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:57 - 2:01:58)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:01:58 - 2:01:58)
for a don't restaurant,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:58 - 2:01:58)
have we don't have to

[Speaker 3] (2:01:58 - 2:01:59)
it's

[Speaker 2] (2:01:59 - 2:01:59)
worry.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:59 - 2:01:59)
true.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:59 - 2:02:02)
We don't have to worry abo I mean, it's it's we don't have to worry about

[Speaker 3] (2:02:02 - 2:02:02)
It's more than

[Speaker 2] (2:02:02 - 2:02:02)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:02:02 - 2:02:02)
two

[Speaker 2] (2:02:02 - 2:02:02)
long-term.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:02 - 2:02:03)
years.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:03 - 2:02:04)
It's thirty it's thirty months.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:04 - 2:02:05)
Correct, right.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:05 - 2:02:05)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:02:05 - 2:02:08)
And that that I just want to make sure everyone in the room is on the same page. That's all I'm saying.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:08 - 2:02:08)
it's

[Speaker 3] (2:02:08 - 2:02:08)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:02:08 - 2:02:09)
Yeah, no,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:09 - 2:02:09)
it's already

[Speaker 2] (2:02:09 - 2:02:09)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:02:09 - 2:02:09)
right on.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:09 - 2:02:09)
at least

[Speaker 2] (2:02:09 - 2:02:10)
it's thirty months.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:10 - 2:02:10)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:10 - 2:02:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:11 - 2:02:16)
and that is true, Marilyn, but I think when we talk about feasibility on execution of what the proposal is,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:17 - 2:02:19)
it looks like,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:19 - 2:02:22)
I mean, putting in one point three million for thirty months?

[Speaker 4] (2:02:22 - 2:02:23)
I mean.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:23 - 2:02:25)
I I don't I mean I'm not

[Speaker 2] (2:02:26 - 2:02:27)
financial is, but

[Speaker 2] (2:02:28 - 2:02:30)
that why would anybody do that if it's

[Speaker 3] (2:02:30 - 2:02:37)
And they are organising as a non-profit as well, which not it doesn't it actually adds And in

[Speaker 2] (2:02:37 - 2:02:38)
that baffles

[Speaker 3] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
our view

[Speaker 2] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
me.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:38 - 2:02:44)
I think as a group to the complexity of what was but you know they're working with

[Speaker 2] (2:02:44 - 2:02:45)
That really baffles me.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:45 - 2:02:49)
Right. And so I I just want to highlight that in both cases

[Speaker 3] (2:02:50 - 2:02:51)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:02:52 - 2:02:53)
There's a lot of questions.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:53 - 2:02:53)
There was a dearth

[Speaker 4] (2:02:53 - 2:02:54)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:54 - 2:02:56)
of financial information. There were things that we would have liked

[Speaker 5] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:56 - 2:02:58)
to have had, for sure, from both of them.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:00 - 2:03:16)
And we didn't. And so this was just based on what was written and and what was said in the room. So the way the way I see it is that we would ideally tonight be kind of authorizing someone to kind of continue discussions with one one Correct. group or the other,

[Speaker 3] (2:03:17 - 2:03:20)
right, So subject to, you know, understanding a lot more.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:21 - 2:03:29)
So to me, I kind of put a lot of those, you know, those questions as the next step of really understanding.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:29 - 2:03:41)
understanding the proposal you know to David's point you'd have to dig in a lot more particularly with this one you know the Center for the Performing Arts and and

[Speaker 3] (2:03:43 - 2:03:48)
it is it's clear I mean we're only gonna be doing this for 30 months so that risk is on them right we're

[Speaker 2] (2:03:48 - 2:03:49)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:49 - 2:03:55)
gonna have a contract they'd owe us $300,000 that would be their their risk right

[Speaker 3] (2:03:56 - 2:04:08)
Um the one thing that we didn't say is that this is being proposed by someone who clearly knows how to run these things. I mean, in marble head, right,

[Speaker 6] (2:04:08 - 2:04:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:09 - 2:04:16)
uh that runs Warwik, Beacon, you know, these are not people that are just kind of thinking, oh hey, I never done this before, like,

[Speaker 4] (2:04:16 - 2:04:16)
Let's you give it a whirl.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:16 - 2:04:23)
know, let me, you know, give it a whirl, right. So uh you know, I thi I think that's, you know, important to me.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:27 - 2:04:31)
So the the piece that I'm just stuck on, and that is definitely important,

[Speaker 2] (2:04:32 - 2:04:48)
but this isn't, you know, something in Marblehead that's gonna be there for perpetuity. That's not the intent. That's not the message we were kinda given, I don't feel, from the Special Town meeting. I think it was pretty clear. Thirty months

[Speaker 2] (2:04:49 - 2:05:04)
at most, right. I mean I think that was we had to really we wanted it to be longer, we had to come down to thirty months, people weren't comfortable, temporary, right. I just on face value, looking at Swamp Scout Centre for the Arts doesn't scream temporary to me.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:06 - 2:05:12)
Um and the the amounts we're throwing out, I can't I just can't wrap my head around why somebody would

[Speaker 2] (2:05:12 - 2:05:19)
want to sink in 1.3 million for thirty months, and and not have an intention beyond thirty months that

[Speaker 2] (2:05:20 - 2:05:32)
you know i i i i mean anyone can tell you, okay thirty months sure, but it are they really looking to be here for a longer time or have this, you know, change. I I'm just really cognisant of

[Speaker 2] (2:05:32 - 2:05:34)
what it took to get us to even this point,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:34 - 2:05:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:35 - 2:05:54)
you know, with with the short leash that I felt like the town, you know, kind of has us on, right, and rightfully so, that was that's what people want and you know, I don't want to take that for granted and just say okay, but this person's gonna give us the most money but you know, have a different intent than what people really want us to do with this.

[Speaker 3] (2:05:54 - 2:06:01)
So I just want to be clear what we're asking of you all is to choose the most advantageous proposals to the town.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:02 - 2:06:02)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:06:02 - 2:06:07)
I appreciate the value judgments you're talking about, but as an R_F_P_ process it's the most advantageous proposal,

[Speaker 3] (2:06:08 - 2:06:09)
which does give you some wiggle room.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:10 - 2:06:10)
Sure,

[Speaker 3] (2:06:10 - 2:06:10)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:06:10 - 2:06:11)
but I I I mean

[Speaker 3] (2:06:11 - 2:06:21)
just wanna highlight in once you choose the one that you would like us there within the R_F_P_ and within the draft contract it's thirty days to sign or we can walk or they can walk. You know like

[Speaker 4] (2:06:21 - 2:06:22)
So I

[Speaker 3] (2:06:22 - 2:06:22)
so

[Speaker 4] (2:06:22 - 2:06:22)
have

[Speaker 3] (2:06:22 - 2:06:22)
again

[Speaker 4] (2:06:22 - 2:06:23)
a good point.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:23 - 2:06:29)
the I the cadence is still there of us trying to do something quickly regardless of who you choose, so I just wanted to highlight

[Speaker 3] (2:06:29 - 2:06:32)
that that's in what they accepted in responding to the RFP.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:33 - 2:06:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:33 - 2:06:35)
I understand time is of the essence, however,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:35 - 2:06:36)
two things. One,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:37 - 2:06:45)
Like this is a public process and not like we are just now discussing publicly what the elements of these both are.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:45 - 2:06:45)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:45 - 2:06:49)
And so I really think in order to get true public feedback, if we are going to get any,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:49 - 2:06:51)
we should not vote on this tonight.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:51 - 2:06:51)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:51 - 2:07:00)
We should put it on the next agenda and sort of live in it a little bit, let the public understand what's available to us under these proposals.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:01 - 2:07:03)
And I mean, I also don't.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:03 - 2:07:07)
see why we can't ask these questions that we have tonight now

[Speaker 2] (2:07:07 - 2:07:08)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:08 - 2:07:17)
to both of the proposed I mean I guess they don't have to answer in the process right they could say well until we become the favored choice we don't have to answer that for

[Speaker 3] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17)
So which,

[Speaker 3] (2:07:17 - 2:07:19)
what questions are we talking?

[Speaker 4] (2:07:19 - 2:07:20)
the financial pieces like if

[Speaker 4] (2:07:22 - 2:07:26)
you know, P and L_s or I mean if there are if they're making representations

[Speaker 3] (2:07:26 - 2:07:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:26 - 2:07:29)
that there are funds being uh

[Speaker 3] (2:07:29 - 2:07:31)
I think we just need to make sure we're asking the same thing of both

[Speaker 4] (2:07:31 - 2:07:32)
From

[Speaker 3] (2:07:32 - 2:07:32)
groups

[Speaker 4] (2:07:32 - 2:07:32)
ap from both,

[Speaker 3] (2:07:32 - 2:07:32)
and measuring

[Speaker 2] (2:07:32 - 2:07:32)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:32 - 2:07:33)
sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:33 - 2:07:33)
right.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:33 - 2:07:33)
them.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:33 - 2:07:35)
Just more more

[Speaker 3] (2:07:35 - 2:07:35)
And I can

[Speaker 4] (2:07:35 - 2:07:35)
fully

[Speaker 3] (2:07:35 - 2:07:35)
I can

[Speaker 4] (2:07:35 - 2:07:35)
developing

[Speaker 3] (2:07:35 - 2:07:39)
make sure that the one concern I have is it's not part of the R_F_P_ response.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:40 - 2:07:42)
I don't know that we can just be taking other

[Speaker 3] (2:07:42 - 2:07:44)
data after the fact.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:44 - 2:07:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:45 - 2:07:48)
We requested this, they both were deficient. If you look at the scoring,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:48 - 2:07:49)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:49 - 2:07:50)
They have low numbers in those.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:50 - 2:07:51)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:51 - 2:07:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:51 - 2:07:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:51 - 2:07:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:51 - 2:07:52)
All right. Well, I

[Speaker 2] (2:07:52 - 2:07:53)
I just have a...

[Speaker 4] (2:07:53 - 2:07:55)
guess to me it's, sorry Marilyn,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:55 - 2:07:57)
I just want to sort of.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:58 - 2:08:10)
crosses T really quick the lack of the financing plan and the financial capacity really speak to a lot of other of the evaluation criteria which is like if you're like how do I feel about execution if I don't even see the

[Speaker 1] (2:08:10 - 2:08:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:11 - 2:08:18)
finances behind the execution and like I I love living on a wanton prayer but that's not going to work for the best interest of the town of Swanscott

[Speaker 3] (2:08:18 - 2:08:23)
I understand that. I want to be sure and what we can do is take this feedback and

[Speaker 3] (2:08:23 - 2:08:24)
make certain with

[Speaker 4] (2:08:24 - 2:08:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:25 - 2:08:29)
procurement experts that we can request it and if the answer is we can't then I

[Speaker 4] (2:08:29 - 2:08:30)
Then we can't.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:30 - 2:08:36)
would highlight that there's actually three options and David and I discussed this at one point it's one of them one two or nothing we're

[Speaker 4] (2:08:36 - 2:08:37)
Or nothing.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:37 - 2:08:38)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:38 - 2:08:44)
not required to do anything so there's still the opportunity to say kind of uncertainty not the right move that

[Speaker 1] (2:08:44 - 2:08:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:45 - 2:08:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:45 - 2:08:48)
from my standpoint I just want to say budgeting

[Speaker 3] (2:08:50 - 2:08:55)
I would not love to be carrying this building for an extended period without someone going in,

[Speaker 3] (2:08:55 - 2:08:55)
so just

[Speaker 4] (2:08:55 - 2:08:56)
Yep, good point.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:56 - 2:08:56)
want to put that

[Speaker 7] (2:08:56 - 2:08:57)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:57 - 2:08:57)
plug in.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
And in your comments,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:02 - 2:09:02)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (2:09:02 - 2:09:02)
Even

[Speaker 2] (2:09:02 - 2:09:03)
hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:03 - 2:09:04)
though the amounts are very different,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:04 - 2:09:05)
Oh, absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:05 - 2:09:17)
I mean, you know, on the one hand, you know, Da David's point was kind of both directions, right? Like, uh in terms of these people have run businesses like this.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:18 - 2:09:25)
Maybe based on that, that's how they're getting some more degree of assurance from a bank that they actually can get this financing,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:25 - 2:09:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:26 - 2:09:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:26 - 2:09:27)
because it's not a one-off that

[Speaker 4] (2:09:27 - 2:09:27)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (2:09:27 - 2:09:27)
they're

[Speaker 4] (2:09:27 - 2:09:27)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:27 - 2:09:29)
just starting to do this, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:29 - 2:09:34)
There's a track record that they can be using with a bank to justify this further investment,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:34 - 2:09:36)
right? So it's a bigger amount,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:36 - 2:09:40)
but they have more wherewithal potentially to actually justify that.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:40 - 2:09:42)
On the other hand, the other folks are talking about, well,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:42 - 2:09:47)
I'm gonna pull a hundred thousand dollars either on my pocket or I'm gonna crowdsource it or I'm gonna get some donations.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:48 - 2:09:50)
Um you know, so if you're actually, you know,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:50 - 2:09:56)
there there's there's higher risk, higher reward theoretically in a financial perspective with one.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:57 - 2:09:58)
And I hear your point Danielle,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:59 - 2:10:04)
you know and um they clearly want it to be long term. Let's just uh you know, that's there's no doubt about that,

[Speaker 5] (2:10:04 - 2:10:04)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:04 - 2:10:06)
right? But I don't care,

[Speaker 3] (2:10:06 - 2:10:08)
you know in a way, like it's thirty months.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:08 - 2:10:12)
It's like, you can you can wish whatever you want, but this is a short term gig,

[Speaker 6] (2:10:12 - 2:10:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:13 - 2:10:20)
you know. Maybe you show something that's very useful to us and it's a learning exercise either way, but it's thirty months.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:20 - 2:10:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:21 - 2:10:27)
So um so I think yeah it'd be good to, you know, understand from both.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:28 - 2:10:32)
perspectives more detail about really where their financing is coming from.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:32 - 2:10:32)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:32 - 2:10:45)
And then I guess the other question I have, and I don't know if you guys had it uh any discussion about this, with the Swampscott Centre for the Performing Arts, and since it is gonna be would be more of an investment, when are they thinking that they actually would be

[Speaker 9] (2:10:46 - 2:10:46)
Open.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:46 - 2:10:47)
live with anything?

[Speaker 9] (2:10:47 - 2:10:47)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:47 - 2:10:55)
I I think in both cases, part of it is a hope and a dream because when they were in there, they were seeing

[Speaker 8] (2:10:55 - 2:11:04)
the space and the view and you know one was ta i i i can't remember who but was talking about like the view and the sunset and how we can get people down there for that.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:05 - 2:11:07)
That's fantastic. It it is true it's a beautiful space

[Speaker 10] (2:11:07 - 2:11:07)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:07 - 2:11:09)
when you're looking out at the ocean. When

[Speaker 10] (2:11:09 - 2:11:10)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:10 - 2:11:14)
you turn back into the building it's expensive and it's gonna take a long time to get

[Speaker 10] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:14 - 2:11:17)
depending on how much investment to get that work done.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:17 - 2:11:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (2:11:17 - 2:11:17)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:17 - 2:11:18)
So you

[Speaker 10] (2:11:18 - 2:11:19)
Alright.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:19 - 2:11:20)
know I I think

[Speaker 8] (2:11:20 - 2:11:34)
Limited time only was talking very specifically about wanting to make sure that they're activated as soon as possible, as soon as it's nice enough to be out and about so that, again, people sort of build a habit and they can work with local non-profits to get groups coming and going.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:35 - 2:11:37)
At the same time, the sponsor, etc.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:37 - 2:11:42)
for the performing arts was saying they wanted to get up and running as soon as possible too and we'll get in there and take a look at it.

[Speaker 8] (2:11:42 - 2:11:44)
They had, you know, someone that has done

[Speaker 8] (2:11:47 - 2:11:57)
sort of HVAC and systems work, talking about what it might take. So I think both of them don't have the full answer on when they can. They would both like to be up and running this spring.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:57 - 2:12:02)
Okay, so then I would say the second question is really feasibility and what literally is their plan to

[Speaker 11] (2:12:02 - 2:12:02)
That's

[Speaker 3] (2:12:02 - 2:12:03)
get

[Speaker 11] (2:12:03 - 2:12:03)
the title.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:03 - 2:12:03)
to

[Speaker 12] (2:12:03 - 2:12:03)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:12:03 - 2:12:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:12:04 - 2:12:04)
What is happening?

[Speaker 3] (2:12:04 - 2:12:05)
and I what is

[Speaker 11] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
happening?

[Speaker 8] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:05 - 2:12:16)
Even if you know one of them says, I realise I'm not gonna be able to operate fully, you know, even if it's uh limited time only, I'm not gonna be able to operate indoors.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:16 - 2:12:19)
I know I will have this active programming happening

[Speaker 13] (2:12:20 - 2:12:20)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:20 - 2:12:26)
June first. Will Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts do that too or you know how will they

[Speaker 8] (2:12:26 - 2:12:27)
I honestly don't know how we

[Speaker 3] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:12:27 - 2:12:31)
honestly don't know how we'll be able to ask that within the structure of procurement,

[Speaker 13] (2:12:31 - 2:12:31)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (2:12:31 - 2:12:32)
but I will ask.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:32 - 2:12:34)
You can have follow-on questions

[Speaker 14] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34)
Well, I

[Speaker 3] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34)
that

[Speaker 14] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34)
think they're

[Speaker 3] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34)
are the

[Speaker 14] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34)
all same still listening

[Speaker 3] (2:12:34 - 2:12:35)
for both.

[Speaker 14] (2:12:35 - 2:12:37)
tonight and they might want to just let you know that anyway.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:38 - 2:12:41)
But you can you can't have follow-on questions that are the same for both bidders?

[Speaker 8] (2:12:42 - 2:12:52)
w we're at the point that we've made a recommendation and we're asking you to take action and and choose the most advantageous. I understand you're asking for more information, I just wanna make sure we stay within the bounds of what we

[Speaker 3] (2:12:52 - 2:12:52)
But

[Speaker 8] (2:12:52 - 2:12:52)
can

[Speaker 3] (2:12:52 - 2:12:53)
if but

[Speaker 8] (2:12:53 - 2:12:53)
do.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:53 - 2:12:54)
if we're n but if we're not taking a vote, if

[Speaker 14] (2:12:54 - 2:12:55)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
we're not

[Speaker 14] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
so

[Speaker 3] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
voting

[Speaker 14] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
what what

[Speaker 3] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
on this

[Speaker 14] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
recommendation

[Speaker 3] (2:12:55 - 2:12:56)
tonight, I you think

[Speaker 14] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
are presenting?

[Speaker 3] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
we can

[Speaker 8] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
So I I

[Speaker 15] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
think the

[Speaker 15] (2:12:58 - 2:12:59)
I mean they're ranked, they're

[Speaker 8] (2:12:59 - 2:13:04)
just hold on, if I could the other the rankings are public, they've they're out, people can see them, number one.

[Speaker 14] (2:13:05 - 2:13:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:05 - 2:13:08)
Number two, if we get too far down asking questions that they

[Speaker 8] (2:13:08 - 2:13:10)
They were either not in the RFP,

[Speaker 8] (2:13:10 - 2:13:13)
it materially changes who may have responded,

[Speaker 16] (2:13:14 - 2:13:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:14 - 2:13:16)
number one, and that's a problem.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:17 - 2:13:28)
Because someone else could have seen it and said, oh, if I could have gone in and done X, Y and Z differently or answered this, what there's a there is an there's a point at which I'm concerned that we're crossing a line.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:28 - 2:13:29)
I just want to make sure we don't do that.

[Speaker 17] (2:13:30 - 2:13:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:30 - 2:13:35)
I d I don't think it's a bad idea to ask questions. I don't think it's a bad idea to get more info. I just want to make sure we're doing it the right way.

[Speaker 17] (2:13:35 - 2:13:36)
Great. Me too.

[Speaker 14] (2:13:37 - 2:13:38)
I just have one question,

[Speaker 18] (2:13:38 - 2:13:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 14] (2:13:38 - 2:13:44)
because the way I the way I'm looking at it says respondent is secured a million dollars in financing commitment from a local financial institute.

[Speaker 14] (2:13:45 - 2:14:06)
It doesn't say that they're investing a million dollars into the building. It says that they have a million dollars commitment which would cover their cost of goods, their operational, it doesn't really lead me to believe that they're looking at putting in a million dollar investment that wouldn't have a return a return within thirty months. So

[Speaker 14] (2:14:08 - 2:14:11)
you know when I listen to the budget and

[Speaker 14] (2:14:12 - 2:14:21)
listen to this constraints on us, and then I look at appendix C here, three hundred thousand versus thirty

[Speaker 14] (2:14:21 - 2:14:23)
is pretty significant.

[Speaker 14] (2:14:25 - 2:14:25)
And

[Speaker 14] (2:14:28 - 2:14:34)
I understand that we don't have financials really from either of them, which I can understand because

[Speaker 14] (2:14:35 - 2:14:50)
these are become po I would think that somebody would be concerned about putting out financials from their personal or their or their business not knowing if they have this if they have this secured they would make them you know make them vulnerable.

[Speaker 19] (2:14:51 - 2:14:59)
How would it make them vulnerable? This is this is a public process. This and this doesn't have anything to do with their that with their other business just has to do with this business.

[Speaker 14] (2:14:59 - 2:15:01)
Um I think that because

[Speaker 14] (2:15:02 - 2:15:07)
You have people who don't even have a limited,

[Speaker 14] (2:15:07 - 2:15:12)
they don't have an LLC set up. So if both of these people decided to quickly put up an LLC,

[Speaker 14] (2:15:12 - 2:15:16)
the LLC is going to show zero as far as their financial background.

[Speaker 14] (2:15:17 - 2:15:25)
I think what you're looking for here is really do they have a financial commitment? Do they have a bank that's willing to give them a line of credit?

[Speaker 19] (2:15:26 - 2:15:29)
Well, we're just looking for a pro forma, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 19] (2:15:29 - 2:15:30)
We're looking and

[Speaker 19] (2:15:31 - 2:15:34)
Any bank is going to require some type of

[Speaker 14] (2:15:34 - 2:15:36)
Well, we don't have that from we don't have that from either, right?

[Speaker 19] (2:15:36 - 2:15:37)
No, correct.

[Speaker 14] (2:15:37 - 2:15:37)
Right.

[Speaker 19] (2:15:37 - 2:15:38)
Correct.

[Speaker 20] (2:15:38 - 2:15:38)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (2:15:38 - 2:15:38)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:38 - 2:15:45)
Well this but they they I think they both or at least one of them says they definitely are ready to do that they just want an NDA or something, right?

[Speaker 8] (2:15:45 - 2:15:46)
And that's not possible.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:47 - 2:15:48)
We would not enter into

[Speaker 20] (2:15:48 - 2:15:49)
Post.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:49 - 2:15:49)
a situation.

[Speaker 21] (2:15:49 - 2:15:50)
great even

[Speaker 8] (2:15:51 - 2:15:52)
It's a public record.

[Speaker 21] (2:15:52 - 2:15:52)
it's a public record,

[Speaker 8] (2:15:52 - 2:15:52)
We get

[Speaker 21] (2:15:52 - 2:15:53)
regardless.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:53 - 2:15:53)
it, it's a public record.

[Speaker 21] (2:15:53 - 2:15:55)
Yes. You can't there's no NDA involved.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:55 - 2:15:59)
And we, Marcy made that clear in advance of the interview process.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:59 - 2:15:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:59 - 2:16:15)
Uh let them both know, but it was specifically the one that called out the NDA, I asked her to just let them know that's not a subject of negotiation, that's just a no, because it is a public record when we get it, it's public process. And I think to both the points that David and Mary Ellen are making,

[Speaker 8] (2:16:16 - 2:16:37)
These are I think groups and organizations that may be are not as familiar and this was true others that pulled the R_F_P_ and did not respond that it may not be familiar with a public procurement and there is certainly it's uh I would say exposure of information is something that people may not be used to when they go on to a new business proposal like this. I completely understandable.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:38 - 2:16:40)
On both sides of that argument.

[Speaker 21] (2:16:40 - 2:16:52)
Well, regardless of the what questions we can ask, when we'll look into that, I d I do still think it's important that this is a true public process and regardless of whether people come next time or not to publicly have opinions,

[Speaker 21] (2:16:53 - 2:17:04)
we need to offer it as an option. So um my suggestion would be that we put this on the agenda for the next uh meeting and um we can

[Speaker 21] (2:17:04 - 2:17:27)
you know re-evaluate if we have some additional information great if even if we don't the public will have heard at least the sort of broad strokes of each of the proposals and would have time I think both of the proposal answers are going to be available on the website probably at this point and so the public could access them there and then if they had further questions they could reach out in the meantime

[Speaker 3] (2:17:28 - 2:17:40)
And just to clarify something you said earlier, Nick, you weren't necessarily saying just because the evaluation committee came up with a higher score for one,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:40 - 2:17:41)
we're not required to

[Speaker 8] (2:17:41 - 2:17:42)
You are not.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:42 - 2:17:42)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:42 - 2:17:48)
It's important that we're talking about it as the most advantageous to the community,

[Speaker 8] (2:17:48 - 2:17:49)
though, when you make that determination.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:51 - 2:17:52)
That's that's the

[Speaker 21] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
The

[Speaker 8] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
decision you're

[Speaker 21] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
language,

[Speaker 8] (2:17:52 - 2:17:53)
making.

[Speaker 21] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
that's

[Speaker 8] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
The

[Speaker 21] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
the decision.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:53 - 2:17:54)
language matters.

[Speaker 14] (2:17:55 - 2:17:56)
In advantageous to the community.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:56 - 2:17:57)
Most advantageous.

[Speaker 14] (2:17:57 - 2:18:02)
Most advantageous. Which is all-encompassing and not just one Correct. area, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:02 - 2:18:02)
Exactly.

[Speaker 19] (2:18:03 - 2:18:08)
I also think that we could have we could probably do these rankings three times and we make it three different times

[Speaker 8] (2:18:08 - 2:18:09)
I mean, it shows

[Speaker 19] (2:18:09 - 2:18:09)
for different

[Speaker 8] (2:18:09 - 2:18:09)
how close

[Speaker 19] (2:18:09 - 2:18:09)
scores.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:09 - 2:18:10)
it was that

[Speaker 19] (2:18:10 - 2:18:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:10 - 2:18:10)
with

[Speaker 21] (2:18:10 - 2:18:10)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:10 - 2:18:12)
five people it was two points apart,

[Speaker 8] (2:18:12 - 2:18:12)
you

[Speaker 21] (2:18:12 - 2:18:12)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:12 - 2:18:13)
know, so.

[Speaker 14] (2:18:13 - 2:18:13)
Right.

[Speaker 21] (2:18:14 - 2:18:14)
I

[Speaker 14] (2:18:14 - 2:18:14)
I

[Speaker 21] (2:18:14 - 2:18:14)
think

[Speaker 14] (2:18:14 - 2:18:14)
would

[Speaker 21] (2:18:14 - 2:18:14)
what's

[Speaker 14] (2:18:14 - 2:18:14)
just claim

[Speaker 21] (2:18:14 - 2:18:15)
clear

[Speaker 14] (2:18:15 - 2:18:15)
Dan

[Speaker 21] (2:18:15 - 2:18:15)
here

[Speaker 14] (2:18:15 - 2:18:15)
Keating.

[Speaker 21] (2:18:15 - 2:18:18)
is either could be advantageous

[Speaker 14] (2:18:18 - 2:18:18)
Right.

[Speaker 21] (2:18:18 - 2:18:19)
we need a better understanding

[Speaker 3] (2:18:19 - 2:18:20)
need more information.

[Speaker 21] (2:18:20 - 2:18:27)
on the advantageousness of each proposal. It maybe in order to differentiate one over the other if we can get it we will try.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:27 - 2:18:28)
And assuming

[Speaker 21] (2:18:28 - 2:18:29)
And still will make it any to the panel.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:29 - 2:18:34)
question can be asked, the the two that I have noted are sort of time to execution

[Speaker 21] (2:18:35 - 2:18:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:35 - 2:18:39)
and then a pro forma or some deeper level of

[Speaker 8] (2:18:39 - 2:18:45)
financial information that gives that level of comfort to the folks making the decision that you can execute on that

[Speaker 21] (2:18:45 - 2:18:45)
Correct.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:45 - 2:18:45)
plan

[Speaker 21] (2:18:45 - 2:18:45)
I mean,

[Speaker 8] (2:18:45 - 2:18:46)
that you brought before us.

[Speaker 21] (2:18:46 - 2:18:50)
yeah, I mean for me just the financials are just a catalyst for execution,

[Speaker 19] (2:18:50 - 2:18:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 21] (2:18:50 - 2:18:51)
right?

[Speaker 21] (2:18:51 - 2:18:52)
Like, I

[Speaker 19] (2:18:52 - 2:18:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 21] (2:18:52 - 2:18:54)
think I'm not, I don't need to do a deep

[Speaker 2] (2:19:04 - 2:19:12)
I just want to make sure I was asking the right things and we'll work with the procurement folks at KP and the IG's office to make sure we ask the right questions.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:12 - 2:19:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:13 - 2:19:14)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
Any

[Speaker 3] (2:19:14 - 2:19:19)
I just I I think we're it's a it's a really good thing that we do have two applicants

[Speaker 2] (2:19:19 - 2:19:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:19 - 2:19:20)
Me too.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:20 - 2:19:27)
and you know these are these are two app these are two applicants that show that they're gonna add quite a bit to the community.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:27 - 2:19:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:28 - 2:19:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:28 - 2:19:30)
So good for us.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:31 - 2:19:33)
Good for us and thank you to the applicants because

[Speaker 3] (2:19:33 - 2:19:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:33 - 2:19:35)
they're taking a risk to to come

[Speaker 3] (2:19:35 - 2:19:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:35 - 2:19:39)
in. I mean we had to convince town meeting that this was even a process worth

[Speaker 3] (2:19:39 - 2:19:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:39 - 2:19:42)
going down and to have two choices. Um

[Speaker 1] (2:19:44 - 2:19:54)
I won't say it's shocking because that makes us feel like we didn't know it was going to happen, but it is shocking, right? Because I don't know that I don't know that um you know we hoped and we thought it could, but um it's nice to see.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:55 - 2:19:58)
Maybe maybe we could have a limited time only Swamp Scott Center for the

[Speaker 1] (2:19:58 - 2:19:59)
reaction. Join forces.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:00 - 2:20:01)
That's not a bad idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:03 - 2:20:04)
All right, moving

[Speaker 3] (2:20:04 - 2:20:04)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (2:20:04 - 2:20:05)
on.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
you, Nick.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
Your garden outside

[Speaker 1] (2:20:05 - 2:20:06)
David?

[Speaker 2] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
your back. That's the

[Speaker 1] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:06 - 2:20:07)
end.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:07 - 2:20:08)
David, thank you again for the time you

[Speaker 5] (2:20:08 - 2:20:08)
Of course.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:08 - 2:20:11)
put into this and um Nick and town staff.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:14)
Now we will move on to the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:15 - 2:20:19)
On the consent agenda we have early voting hours,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:19 - 2:20:27)
which the clerk would like to hold early in-person voting at Town Hall on Tuesday,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:27 - 2:20:29)
April 21st, Thursday,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:29 - 2:20:31)
April 23rd, Friday,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:31 - 2:20:34)
April 24th from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. and Wednesday,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:34 - 2:20:39)
April 22nd from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:39 - 2:20:42)
I think this has been relatively aligned with what we've done in

[Speaker 2] (2:20:42 - 2:20:43)
It is.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:43 - 2:20:43)
recent years.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:43 - 2:20:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:45 - 2:20:48)
We're also looking to have two appointments,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:48 - 2:21:01)
sorry, the Conservation Commission is looking to take a current member of CONCOM and step them from a full-time member to an alternate and would like to have Jerry Falco appointed as a full-time member in that place.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:01 - 2:21:11)
I have discussed with the chair as the liaison and have been putting that forward as a recommendation. As you all know, CONCOM is a very...

[Speaker 1] (2:21:11 - 2:21:28)
There's a specific committee in town and has very specific requirements and attributes to be fulfilled and they've gone through the process and have made the recommendation and therefore I stand in full support of that recommendation.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:29 - 2:21:39)
And then discussion and possible vote to approve Anchor Food Pantry and the minutes for December 10th, December 17th, January 7th and January 24th.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:39 - 2:21:40)
T first.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:40 - 2:21:43)
Um can you uh I'd like you to remove the 21st.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:45 - 2:21:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:45 - 2:21:46)
Put it on for next Just

[Speaker 1] (2:21:46 - 2:21:49)
Remove them because we have discussion or remove them just till next meeting?

[Speaker 3] (2:21:49 - 2:21:50)
till next meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:50 - 2:21:56)
Okay. So the consensus agenda added as amended would be all but the minutes for

[Speaker 6] (2:21:56 - 2:22:05)
And Madam Chair, just regarding anchor food pantry have has the um has the use in occupancy agreement come in front of

[Speaker 1] (2:22:05 - 2:22:06)
It has not.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:07 - 2:22:07)
Come before us

[Speaker 6] (2:22:07 - 2:22:07)
Do

[Speaker 1] (2:22:07 - 2:22:08)
yet?

[Speaker 6] (2:22:08 - 2:22:09)
we have a plan for that?

[Speaker 2] (2:22:09 - 2:22:10)
It's the

[Speaker 1] (2:22:10 - 2:22:11)
Anchor Food Pantry, use and occupancy

[Speaker 2] (2:22:11 - 2:22:12)
Okay. I

[Speaker 1] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
for the building.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:12 - 2:22:14)
can I'll run it down.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:15 - 2:22:17)
Sorry, I don't have the answer for you right now. I don't know where it is.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:17 - 2:22:22)
Okay. I just it it should just be a one year extension. I think we've extended it three or four times

[Speaker 7] (2:22:22 - 2:22:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:23 - 2:22:28)
at this point. It should just be changing the date from twenty five to twenty six.

[Speaker 8] (2:22:28 - 2:22:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:28 - 2:22:29)
So.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:29 - 2:22:31)
We will make sure it's the topic of

[Speaker 3] (2:22:31 - 2:22:32)
They did ask.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:32 - 2:22:33)
the next items agenda next

[Speaker 6] (2:22:33 - 2:22:34)
meeting. Yep. Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:35 - 2:22:42)
Motion to approve the consent agenda as as amended by Mary Ellen moving the 1 21 26 minutes.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:42 - 2:22:43)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:44 - 2:22:44)
All in favor?

[Speaker 6] (2:22:45 - 2:22:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:45 - 2:22:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:45 - 2:22:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (2:22:45 - 2:22:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:49 - 2:22:50)
Okay, select board time.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:52 - 2:22:53)
Does anybody have?

[Speaker 6] (2:22:55 - 2:23:03)
Water sewer infrastructure will be presenting at our next at our next meeting on the 25th.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:05 - 2:23:07)
So they will be, uh they will be coming.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:09 - 2:23:11)
Topic is goals, right?

[Speaker 6] (2:23:11 - 2:23:13)
Yep, yep, goals. So

[Speaker 1] (2:23:13 - 2:23:13)
Mm.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:13 - 2:23:22)
um feel free to reach out to to Kelly and coordinate. She'll she'll be there along with um she may have another member or two of her uh of her committee to join her.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:23 - 2:23:23)
Very good.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:24 - 2:23:30)
And will we be having names of additional people to put on that committee at the next meeting?

[Speaker 1] (2:23:32 - 2:23:37)
we uh like you want to have them suggest alternates, is that what you're speaking of?

[Speaker 3] (2:23:37 - 2:23:55)
Yes. I mean, we have people who have applied, we have alternates we've been sitting with the committee that has opportunity to have more people on there and we don't and I'd just I'd like to get more people as alternates on that committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:56 - 2:23:56)
Agreed.

[Speaker 10] (2:23:57 - 2:24:02)
I'd like to hear what the goals are from the chair

[Speaker 10] (2:24:03 - 2:24:04)
first,

[Speaker 10] (2:24:05 - 2:24:05)
and

[Speaker 10] (2:24:08 - 2:24:13)
take that into consideration in thinking about subsequent members,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:13 - 2:24:14)
Alternate.

[Speaker 10] (2:24:14 - 2:24:15)
alternate members,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:15 - 2:24:15)
I think

[Speaker 10] (2:24:15 - 2:24:15)
whatever.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:15 - 2:24:26)
they're fully, they're full staff now. There are two alternates right now available to be seated. I think in myself in speaking to the chair.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:27 - 2:24:35)
There was questions about goals and how the board viewed that committee going forward, how the committee viewed itself going forward,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:35 - 2:24:49)
and my invitation was that they come before us and have that conversation before we put that other item on the agenda. So I will stick to that conversation that I had with the chair,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:50 - 2:24:53)
unless there's another member who would like to speak.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:53 - 2:25:02)
to see it on the agenda, and I would like to suggest that it be put on at either the next agenda or post that goal discussion so that we can give some space

[Speaker 2] (2:25:02 - 2:25:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:02 - 2:25:06)
for the chair and the committee to to get their arms around that.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:08 - 2:25:08)
So.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:11 - 2:25:12)
Anything additional for select board time?

[Speaker 3] (2:25:13 - 2:25:18)
I would just like to thank Nate Bystrom.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:19 - 2:25:27)
Joe Dellett and Mr. Mirecki for broadcasting the uh meeting tonight. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:34 - 2:26:01)
Just I do just want to acknowledge again I know we did this during the town administrator's time but the ZBA and the work that was done with Binet to get the veterans housing project to the point that it's at there was a lot of good conversation and I think got us to a point where I hope that everybody feels comfortable and then hopefully we will have a go forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:02 - 2:26:07)
for understanding what that process looks like from this point moving to fruition.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:08 - 2:26:14)
So I want to just thank all the parties for that time and energy for that and that moving into its next chapter.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:17 - 2:26:19)
And I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:19 - 2:26:19)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:19 - 2:26:20)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:20 - 2:26:21)
All in favor?

[Speaker 6] (2:26:21 - 2:26:21)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:21 - 2:26:21)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:21 - 2:26:23)
Aye. Thank you everyone.