[Speaker 1] (8:43 - 8:43)
I wonder where

[Speaker 2] (8:43 - 8:43)
We

[Speaker 1] (8:43 - 8:44)
we're going.

[Speaker 2] (8:44 - 8:45)
we're ready, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 3] (8:45 - 8:45)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (8:45 - 8:46)
Ready?

[Speaker 2] (8:46 - 8:54)
Yes. Okay, good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Wednesday March 4th meeting for the select board. We are being recorded. If you wouldn't mind raising for the pledge.

[Speaker 2] (8:57 - 9:03)
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

[Speaker 2] (9:03 - 9:08)
one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Alrighty, thank you all for joining us.

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Nick,

[Speaker 2] (9:17 - 9:19)
we will start with the town administrator's report,

[Speaker 2] (9:19 - 9:19)
if you'd like.

[Speaker 4] (9:20 - 9:20)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (9:20 - 9:21)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (9:21 - 9:22)
I have a brief update.

[Speaker 4] (9:23 - 9:26)
We've been working on a lot with the budget at town hall, obviously.

[Speaker 4] (9:27 - 9:29)
I think there may be questions back and forth,

[Speaker 4] (9:29 - 9:30)
but I have a brief update,

[Speaker 4] (9:30 - 9:31)
as I mentioned.

[Speaker 4] (9:31 - 9:32)
So in the human resources front,

[Speaker 4] (9:32 - 9:39)
I just wanted to mention that we have a new administrative assistant part-time at the COA, Jeannie Patz, who's joining us.

[Speaker 4] (9:39 - 9:40)
We have Kylie Gates,

[Speaker 4] (9:40 - 9:44)
who's joined as the assistant town accountant this week as well, which we're very excited about.

[Speaker 4] (9:44 - 9:46)
And I wanted to give an update on police hiring,

[Speaker 4] (9:46 - 9:49)
which has been an area of particular focus as well for the group.

[Speaker 4] (9:50 - 9:56)
We have, in terms of the Academy graduations coming up, we have one in April, one in July, and one in September.

[Speaker 4] (9:56 - 9:59)
From there they do the field officer training as well, or field...

[Speaker 1] (10:01 - 10:02)
field training, FTO not FOT.

[Speaker 1] (10:04 - 10:14)
In addition to that we have another another conditional offer out to an individual who has previous experience as a police officer who will go right into the FTO when he comes,

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:22)
which in a full staffing model that will leave one that remains as we mentioned before with between the conditionals and the folks that are in.

[Speaker 1] (10:22 - 10:23)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (10:23 - 10:26)
the academies right now we actually have two conditionals, right Ruben? I said that

[Speaker 2] (10:26 - 10:26)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (10:26 - 10:27)
wrong.

[Speaker 1] (10:27 - 10:30)
One is a lateral from another state and then the other one is um

[Speaker 1] (10:31 - 10:34)
Going into the Academy when she completes her psych, medical,

[Speaker 1] (10:34 - 10:44)
and everything else we will get her scheduled for one of the academies as well and that's a roughly six-month process once she's in and then on top of that you do the FTO before she's actually out on the road for any of them.

[Speaker 1] (10:44 - 10:45)
It's that is six or eight weeks.

[Speaker 1] (10:45 - 10:47)
How long do they do the FTO?

[Speaker 3] (10:47 - 10:48)
FTO is three months.

[Speaker 1] (10:48 - 10:49)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (10:49 - 10:49)
twelve weeks.

[Speaker 1] (10:50 - 10:52)
So we're making significant progress.

[Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:55)
We have folks in the pipeline finally.

[Speaker 1] (10:55 - 10:59)
It's a credit to the effort of the team that supports and I know

[Speaker 1] (10:59 - 11:01)
I've been a customer of Ruben and I.

[Speaker 1] (11:01 - 11:04)
We've been able to identify them, so we're moving,

[Speaker 1] (11:04 - 11:10)
but we are at the point now that for that final position it requires a new pool of candidates if I remember correctly.

[Speaker 3] (11:10 - 11:10)
Yes

[Speaker 1] (11:10 - 11:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:12 - 11:14)
So wanted to update on that.

[Speaker 1] (11:14 - 11:15)
In addition,

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I know folks, there have been a lot of emails over the last couple days related to the rail trail,

[Speaker 1] (11:20 - 11:25)
the Metropolitan Planning Organization, which helps handle the transportation improvement plan.

[Speaker 1] (11:25 - 11:29)
So the MPO that works on the TIP for MassDOT has a meeting tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (11:30 - 11:39)
Their draft that went around showed that the project was coming off the TIP. And with no notice to the economic development team,

[Speaker 1] (11:39 - 11:39)
no notice to me.

[Speaker 1] (11:40 - 11:43)
I reached out to our legislative delegation and to Ledger Fairs at MassDOT.

[Speaker 1] (11:43 - 11:46)
The delegation was even more helpful in my contact.

[Speaker 1] (11:46 - 11:52)
They are working now to actually schedule a meeting with Secretary Eng at MassDOT with myself,

[Speaker 1] (11:53 - 11:53)
Marcy.

[Speaker 1] (11:54 - 11:57)
and folks from both the senators and the representative's office.

[Speaker 1] (11:58 - 12:00)
So tomorrow there will not be a vote.

[Speaker 1] (12:00 - 12:14)
It is just something that was sort of floated as a draft but you know we've been told very directly that there'll be no vote to take anything on or off tomorrow and we will have a full discussion because this is the project that they understand we've continued to work on throughout.

[Speaker 1] (12:14 - 12:22)
So more to come on that but I wanted to make sure because I know some of you may have heard from individuals that have worked really hard on the project over time and I wanted that up.

[Speaker 1] (12:22 - 12:23)
I want that update to be shared here,

[Speaker 1] (12:23 - 12:24)
but also specifically with you all.

[Speaker 1] (12:27 - 12:41)
I one update on information requests related to the budget and this had come up in conversation a year to date expense and revenue sort of outline for everyone that really lists where we are is something we want to share with all five of you.

[Speaker 1] (12:41 - 12:53)
We had tried to get it prepared for today but with the staffing and getting everything ready for Monday it's something that will be able to circulate among the board in advance of the meeting but we'll be happy to present briefly on 318 as well so that

[Speaker 1] (12:53 - 12:54)
that the broader community can see it.

[Speaker 1] (12:54 - 12:57)
I just wanted to let everyone know that that's why it was delayed today.

[Speaker 1] (12:59 - 13:03)
And then on the budget, I know we have it on the agenda to go into whatever detail we're interested to go into tonight,

[Speaker 1] (13:04 - 13:08)
but Patrick and I have already been reviewing with the department head submissions.

[Speaker 1] (13:09 - 13:18)
We had requested both level service and some modest reductions to begin so that we had the ability to sort of move into this as quickly as possible. We're looking at those.

[Speaker 1] (13:18 - 13:24)
I've also had some very direct conversations with both the police chief and the fire chief.

[Speaker 1] (13:24 - 13:50)
uh based on the direction we got around um overtime specifically so that we can think about both tactically and strategically how we may be able to manage that um and you know i think they were both really productive conversations and it's something that we will report back to you all on but as of today the it was sort of introduced the idea yesterday talk about those off the top of the head potential solutions and we really need to dig in both sides to understand what we would be doing because we want to reflect

[Speaker 1] (13:51 - 13:55)
the plan and the effort that will go into meeting the goals that you all set,

[Speaker 1] (13:55 - 14:00)
which was staying at that level funded budget and what it will take to be there and what it will take to get there.

[Speaker 1] (14:01 - 14:11)
Both chiefs did recognize, you know, one of the things that will be most beneficial as a baseline is the fact that we are nearly fully staffed or fully staffed in both for the first time in a long time.

[Speaker 1] (14:12 - 14:13)
So we'll see how it goes from here,

[Speaker 1] (14:14 - 14:15)
but I just wanted to let you know that that has already begun.

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:18)
I've also had initial conversations with the superintendent.

[Speaker 1] (14:19 - 14:25)
And we'll we're already planning to talk tomorrow based on, you know, understanding what may come out of tonight.

[Speaker 1] (14:25 - 14:34)
So tomorrow afternoon we're having the second discussion just following on Monday's initial budget presentation and the feedback that we received.

[Speaker 1] (14:34 - 14:43)
So we're moving in sort of all those major ways that we can to figure out what we can come back to you all with that's responsive to the idea of trying to lower the impact on the taxpayer.

[Speaker 1] (14:44 - 14:50)
um and i think that's it for what i had written here and i'm happy to take any questions that you all may have

[Speaker 3] (14:51 - 14:54)
So just in regards to the rail trail.

[Speaker 4] (14:55 - 15:15)
So do you have any idea, Nick, how many um, you know, how how much has been spent so far? How many meetings have been have been taken, you know, just from the time that this was passed in 2017 to the present day? I mean, I I wanna I wanna make sure that we're putting, you know, our best foot forward and I'm sure Marcie has that information.

[Speaker 4] (15:16 - 15:23)
So I think it would be helpful to see what kind of funds have been expended, uh how many hours have gone into this and and really

[Speaker 4] (15:23 - 15:29)
you know putting that all together for for that for that comprehensive discussion with the secretary so

[Speaker 1] (15:29 - 15:51)
Yeah and so I think for tomorrow there has already been an effort among folks both in town and some of our sort of regional regional advocates that are looking at this as an important connector for the northern strand to Salem and Marblehead people have already been sort of firing off emails the MPO to the secretary and others that I've been copied on and Marcy is looking to gather information for tomorrow for the meeting she

[Speaker 1] (15:51 - 15:52)
I think she plans to attend. It's a virtual meeting.

[Speaker 1] (15:53 - 15:54)
But we will have sort of the broader,

[Speaker 1] (15:55 - 16:07)
the full story to tell. Absolutely it's a great note to make sure we have everything going back to the very beginning so that the secretary in his office understands it's not just that, you know, Senator Creighton and Representative Rarby called,

[Speaker 1] (16:07 - 16:15)
but it's the fact that this has been a community priority with a lot of energy and dollars behind it, resources behind it, and always over time.

[Speaker 1] (16:15 - 16:18)
And that was certainly the feedback once people started asking.

[Speaker 1] (16:18 - 16:19)
Um

[Speaker 5] (16:19 - 16:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (16:19 - 16:35)
even when we reached out for the M_P_O_ originally, it was uh, you know, our Project Manager was kind of cut off guard that it was even on there. So I think there'll be a little bit on their side that they will want to explain and understand how it got there, but we'll certainly wanna tell our story as part of that meeting as well.

[Speaker 4] (16:35 - 16:36)
Excellent.

[Speaker 4] (16:36 - 16:36)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (16:36 - 16:37)
Good you. note, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (16:39 - 16:47)
Um I have a quick question on the the conditional offer. You said that it was for a lateral from out of state?

[Speaker 1] (16:47 - 16:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (16:48 - 16:52)
And when we do things for out-of-state as far as checking background checks,

[Speaker 5] (16:52 - 16:56)
we have the same security out-of-state as we do in-state?

[Speaker 3] (16:57 - 17:04)
Yes. So what we do is we check the post commission in their state that they are currently at.

[Speaker 3] (17:04 - 17:08)
We check for any disciplinary issues or.

[Speaker 3] (17:09 - 17:15)
Any items that may have come up? And we also checked the national decertification index.

[Speaker 3] (17:15 - 17:27)
That's also a federal registry for officers who are either decertified or have had Brady or Giglio issues of truthfulness.

[Speaker 5] (17:27 - 17:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (17:28 - 17:29)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (17:29 - 17:29)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (17:29 - 17:29)
you.

[Speaker 6] (17:33 - 17:33)
There's more?

[Speaker 1] (17:33 - 17:34)
No.

[Speaker 6] (17:34 - 17:35)
It's not through? That was it.

[Speaker 1] (17:35 - 17:36)
Ask just questions

[Speaker 6] (17:36 - 17:36)
Very

[Speaker 1] (17:36 - 17:36)
at this point

[Speaker 6] (17:36 - 17:37)
good.

[Speaker 1] (17:37 - 17:37)
if you have any.

[Speaker 6] (17:37 - 17:39)
Any additional? Danielle, you're good?

[Speaker 5] (17:39 - 17:40)
No, I'm good, thank you.

[Speaker 6] (17:40 - 17:42)
Okay. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (17:42 - 17:43)
Sure. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (17:43 - 17:43)
Thanks, Nick.

[Speaker 6] (17:44 - 17:45)
We will move to public comment.

[Speaker 6] (17:46 - 17:51)
I believe we're going to use this microphone that you have in front of you if you wouldn't mind,

[Speaker 6] (17:51 - 17:59)
if you are going to make public comment, to make it and then move it to the end of the table and then whoever else would like to make public comment can use that also.

[Speaker 6] (18:00 - 18:01)
Oh, very quick to move it.

[Speaker 6] (18:04 - 18:05)
Public comment will be three minutes.

[Speaker 6] (18:05 - 18:08)
Public comment is on all items on the agenda.

[Speaker 6] (18:08 - 18:09)
There is no public

[Speaker 3] (18:09 - 18:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (18:10 - 18:15)
hearings being held on this agenda, so we'll take comment on all items.

[Speaker 6] (18:16 - 18:18)
So if anybody has a public comment,

[Speaker 6] (18:18 - 18:18)
please rise,

[Speaker 6] (18:19 - 18:20)
state your name, your address,

[Speaker 6] (18:20 - 18:23)
and go through your minutes.

[Speaker 6] (18:26 - 18:27)
Please go ahead.

[Speaker 7] (18:28 - 18:29)
So, I uphold this and

[Speaker 4] (18:29 - 18:31)
You know, you can you can You set it.

[Speaker 6] (18:31 - 18:32)
could sit, it's fine, because it's for free.

[Speaker 7] (18:32 - 18:33)
Please rock, so

[Speaker 6] (18:33 - 18:33)
I

[Speaker 7] (18:33 - 18:33)
I'm here.

[Speaker 6] (18:33 - 18:35)
know I did, I s I'm sorry, you were just following

[Speaker 7] (18:35 - 18:35)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (18:35 - 18:35)
instructions.

[Speaker 7] (18:35 - 18:35)
instructions.

[Speaker 4] (18:35 - 18:36)
Yeah, end up sitting

[Speaker 7] (18:36 - 18:37)
All right, thank you.

[Speaker 7] (18:38 - 18:39)
Thanks.

[Speaker 7] (18:39 - 18:54)
Good evening everyone, I'm George Allen, twenty seven Bayview Avenue. Uh on February eighteenth I sent the the following email on Stacey Brooks to the Kings Beach Steering Committee uh and the select board. I want to encourage Lyndon Swampscott to move forward with the joint

[Speaker 7] (18:54 - 19:01)
wind, flow, EMT, and turbidity measurements this summer separately in both culverts to inform next steps.

[Speaker 7] (19:02 - 19:14)
EMT concentration alone do not let us assess or track the impact of brook outflows on the beach water quality. We need both EMT and flow to get the dose to the beach.

[Speaker 7] (19:14 - 19:22)
Dose is literally the number of bacteria. There are trillions of them per day. This is the metric that affects beach water quality.

[Speaker 7] (19:22 - 19:24)
not just ENT concentration.

[Speaker 7] (19:25 - 19:31)
We need dose data for each calibrate separately to effectively track progress of mitigation efforts.

[Speaker 7] (19:31 - 19:33)
Here is an example of how this works.

[Speaker 7] (19:33 - 19:40)
Daily ENT dose to the beach is the product of daily volume from flow and time and ENT concentration.

[Speaker 7] (19:41 - 19:44)
If you reduce both flow and ENT by half,

[Speaker 7] (19:44 - 19:47)
you reduce the dose, which is what matters,

[Speaker 7] (19:47 - 19:47)
by three quarters.

[Speaker 7] (19:48 - 19:53)
If you reduce the N T by half but the flow doubles then there's no change in the N T dose

[Speaker 7] (19:53 - 19:54)
now turbine

[Speaker 1] (19:54 - 19:55)
Now, turbidity measurements,

[Speaker 1] (19:55 - 19:57)
how cloudy the water is,

[Speaker 1] (19:58 - 20:05)
are a strongly recommended add-on. This is an automated measurement that can serve as a surrogate for ENT bacteria,

[Speaker 1] (20:05 - 20:07)
and because flow isn't constant,

[Speaker 1] (20:07 - 20:16)
this improves the estimate of the daily ENT dose. EPA has models to message beach water quality in real time that use turbidity.

[Speaker 1] (20:16 - 20:17)
as the measurement.

[Speaker 1] (20:18 - 20:24)
This approach can minimize the time when the beach is closed and also minimize exposure to elevated levels of bacteria in the water.

[Speaker 1] (20:25 - 20:43)
Lind's stasis and Swan's stasis are totally separate systems that do not cross town lines with separate consent decrees. I've been asking around town and so far I haven't found anyone that knew that there are two completely separate brooks, even when told there are two culvert outflows side by side.

[Speaker 1] (20:43 - 20:44)
side on the beach.

[Speaker 1] (20:44 - 20:55)
Lin can't clean up Swamp's Gut's brook, and Swamp Scott can't clean up Linsbrook, but together we are responsible for cleaning up the beach. Thus I have a new slogan for all of this:

[Speaker 1] (20:56 - 20:56)
two towns,

[Speaker 1] (20:57 - 20:57)
two brooks,

[Speaker 1] (20:58 - 20:59)
one beach.

[Speaker 1] (20:59 - 21:04)
Finally, and somewhat related, I am running for the open seat on the Swamp's Gut Board of Health this spring,

[Speaker 1] (21:05 - 21:09)
and I have both an engineering and environmental science and public health background.

[Speaker 1] (21:09 - 21:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (21:11 - 21:12)
Thank you Mr. Allen.

[Speaker 2] (21:21 - 21:21)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (21:22 - 21:23)
Um, Brian Watson.

[Speaker 3] (21:25 - 21:29)
Um three minutes, three minutes really isn't adequate for the comments I have,

[Speaker 3] (21:30 - 21:35)
but I'll do the best I can. I also would like to put in a plug for the idea of

[Speaker 3] (21:35 - 22:00)
having public comment you know during during agenda items where it's relevant there usually aren't that many people to speak and I think it would be far more helpful to try and comment during a discussion rather than trying to make a comment before you guys have even had the discussion but anyway I gave you all the two contractor estimates for demolition of the restaurant because at the last meeting which I sat through the financial analysis meeting for the town

[Speaker 3] (22:01 - 22:06)
I know there's a placeholder for two million dollars demolition of the restaurant in the capital improvement plan.

[Speaker 3] (22:06 - 22:10)
I wanted to clarify that it isn't two million to demolish the restaurant,

[Speaker 3] (22:10 - 22:15)
it's roughly conservatively five hundred thousand in that neighborhood.

[Speaker 3] (22:15 - 22:19)
Two million would include way more than demolishing and removing the restaurant.

[Speaker 3] (22:19 - 22:23)
And that is that prevailing wage that Massachusetts requires.

[Speaker 3] (22:23 - 22:28)
And you have two copies of estimates that are in that neighborhood.

[Speaker 3] (22:28 - 22:31)
We actually had a third one in the same neighborhood,

[Speaker 3] (22:31 - 22:35)
but that person didn't want to participate until it's officially bid.

[Speaker 3] (22:35 - 22:37)
So the point is to understand that...

[Speaker 3] (22:38 - 22:53)
The penalty to the town if the private developer is engaged to do the demolition at such time as a full development proposal is about five hundred thousand. And that includes about one hundred thousand for hazardous material abatement.

[Speaker 3] (22:54 - 22:56)
So that's a pretty real number and you can use it.

[Speaker 3] (22:56 - 22:57)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (22:57 - 23:05)
I'm going to move on real quick with what's left of my time. I want to comment with some degree of horror at the two RFP responses.

[Speaker 3] (23:05 - 23:15)
The town has received the Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts proposal is really alarming because it bears no resemblance to what the RFP requested.

[Speaker 3] (23:16 - 23:21)
It makes 11 mentions of long-term sustainability of this proposal.

[Speaker 3] (23:21 - 23:29)
It talks over and over again how this will be a decades-long project. So this Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts makes no sense.

[Speaker 3] (23:29 - 23:31)
It makes no alignment.

[Speaker 3] (23:31 - 23:44)
um with the town's R_P_ Uh I I I I think if we were if the town were selected, we would be subject to a a thirty month long lobbying effort by by the people behind it to to make it permanent. Um

[Speaker 3] (23:45 - 23:46)
Furthermore,

[Speaker 3] (23:46 - 23:48)
to take either one of these, which I wouldn't recommend,

[Speaker 3] (23:49 - 24:08)
the thirty months, I'm assuming, doesn't start until the lease starts. So we're gonna spend the town's administrative time between now and that time, you know, doing due diligence, uh managing the this process, our town council's involved. I mean look at the time the staff time already, the town council time already. It's a management problem that has real dollars

[Speaker 3] (24:09 - 24:16)
and sense attached to it. And we can't ignore that. We can't pretend that's not happening. So as a last thought,

[Speaker 3] (24:16 - 24:20)
if the select board, say, did not take either of these...

[Speaker 3] (24:22 - 24:26)
We could proceed as a town within, say, 12 months.

[Speaker 3] (24:26 - 24:28)
It's a big job. I understand it. It's complicated.

[Speaker 3] (24:29 - 24:30)
But, I mean, the select board,

[Speaker 3] (24:30 - 24:32)
you know, with the assistance of others,

[Speaker 3] (24:32 - 24:35)
could come up with a development proposal,

[Speaker 3] (24:35 - 24:37)
and maybe it's ready a year from now.

[Speaker 3] (24:38 - 24:48)
But to wait 30 months before we can start, it just seems unnecessary, and it's not what the town at large voted for.

[Speaker 4] (24:48 - 24:48)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (24:48 - 24:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (24:49 - 24:49)
you, Brian.

[Speaker 4] (24:51 - 24:52)
Any additional comment?

[Speaker 2] (24:54 - 24:54)
There's a gentleman in the back.

[Speaker 5] (24:55 - 24:56)
She had her hand up. Do you want to go?

[Speaker 2] (24:56 - 24:57)
Oh, somebody.

[Speaker 5] (24:57 - 24:58)
Speak over there first. She had her.

[Speaker 5] (24:59 - 25:00)
Oh, that's all right.

[Speaker 1] (25:00 - 25:00)
You can go.

[Speaker 1] (25:02 - 25:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (25:07 - 25:14)
Good evening. My name's Johnny Ray, 30 One Atlantic Ave, Marblehead. I'm speaking here on behalf of the Swampscott Center of the Performing Arts.

[Speaker 6] (25:16 - 25:24)
I just wanted to clear up some of the misconceptions that have been said in public about the effort to with regard to the Hawthorne reuse project.

[Speaker 6] (25:25 - 25:33)
If anyone wants to find out more about the actual proposal, they can go to swampscottsfpa dot org.

[Speaker 6] (25:32 - 25:50)
org, swampscotcpa dot org. First of all we have no, uh the association has no intention of investing a million dollars into the property. Uh we're sorry if that would that was a misconception that was uh we that would that was mentioned in public and online.

[Speaker 6] (25:51 - 25:59)
Uh second of all the association is very much aware that it's a thirty month lease and uh that that's not a problem with the plans that we have.

[Speaker 6] (26:00 - 26:28)
Um we did deliver something recently that uh have our numbers which are based on industry standards under ideal scenarios. Basically what the uh Swampscott Center of the Performing Arts wants to do is to bring a cultural center and act as the gateway to the North Shore which is what Swampscott really is, almost like a visiting center. It will have a uh a restaurant, it will have a showroom, and when we say showroom

[Speaker 6] (26:27 - 26:55)
room. We want you to think of blue ocean music hall up in Salisbury or Jimmy's in Portsmouth New Hampshire, a very good something that will attract regional entertainment. We also want to put a cafe that will face Humphrey Street that will be open seven days a week for breakfast and and and hopefully out some outdoor seating. Within the structure too on the second floor if we're

[Speaker 6] (26:55 - 27:21)
we're able to use it. There's plans to put a puppet show theatre for kids for birthday parties and different celebrations. And also we have this idea of a visiting centre like a a gift shop or or a small museum where uh local artists will be able to feature uh some of their crafts. So um uh we we know that the uh the board will do what's best for the town. We have every faith in in that.

[Speaker 6] (27:21 - 27:25)
We just wanted to clear up some misconceptions about what we intend to do.

[Speaker 6] (27:26 - 27:41)
We won't invest anything further than what is needed to open the facility and get it operational and then any other future investment depends on the performance of those entities within the property.

[Speaker 6] (27:44 - 27:46)
I think that's, I'm almost out of time, so.

[Speaker 4] (27:46 - 27:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (27:47 - 27:47)
Again,

[Speaker 6] (27:47 - 27:56)
I'll just say the, if you want to see more about the presentation, go to swampscottcfpa.org, swampscottcfpa.org.

[Speaker 6] (27:56 - 27:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (28:03 - 28:03)
Thank you, Jim.

[Speaker 7] (28:11 - 28:15)
My topper, I'm a business owner at 222 Humphrey Street in Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (28:16 - 28:23)
So I recently found out about the proposals for the Hawthorne space and I just wanted to voice some of my concerns.

[Speaker 7] (28:24 - 28:32)
I also recently met with some other business owners on Humphrey Street and they also shared similar concerns so I wanted to voice them today.

[Speaker 7] (28:32 - 28:36)
One of them is the parking and infrastructure constraints.

[Speaker 7] (28:37 - 28:45)
Right now Humphrey Street already has limited parking capacity and the winter conditions have proved further decrease in parking.

[Speaker 7] (28:46 - 28:53)
It's taken several days or several weeks to clear out the parking spots on Humphrey Street and it's significantly significantly

[Speaker 7] (28:54 - 28:56)
has impacted my business.

[Speaker 7] (28:56 - 29:06)
I'm very new so it was pretty disappointing when I came to work one day and there was no parking spots for customers and they voiced to me that they didn't come that day because there was no parking.

[Speaker 7] (29:08 - 29:21)
We rely on a very small number of parking spots on Humphrey Street so bringing in more businesses on in the Hawthorne by the Sea space would further be detrimental to that.

[Speaker 7] (29:22 - 29:25)
So without any infrastructure improvements,

[Speaker 7] (29:25 - 29:34)
adding to the supply does not grow the demand in the area, it would just redistribute it and negatively affect the existing businesses there.

[Speaker 7] (29:34 - 29:37)
We also had some pedestrian safety concerns.

[Speaker 7] (29:37 - 29:49)
So I have a crosswalk right in front of my bakery with a light and I see time and time again that cars are not stopping when the red light is on and go right by.

[Speaker 1] (29:57 - 30:05)
So that's a big concern and if we are discussing a project to bring more infrastructure and destinations onto that street.

[Speaker 1] (30:05 - 30:13)
It's going to bring more pedestrians in the area and further increase the safety concerns for the people walking and crossing the road.

[Speaker 1] (30:13 - 30:16)
And I've seen people,

[Speaker 1] (30:16 - 30:25)
cars letting pedestrians cross and then cars go around them and not stop. And it's just a very dangerous position.

[Speaker 1] (30:26 - 30:31)
So adding any additional food destinations would increase the traffic, foot traffic,

[Speaker 1] (30:31 - 30:32)
volume of vehicles,

[Speaker 1] (30:33 - 30:37)
and the congestion in an already unsafe traffic behavior area.

[Speaker 1] (30:37 - 30:47)
Also the impact on existing food businesses. So new food vendors would divert the revenue rather than expand overall customer base.

[Speaker 1] (30:47 - 30:54)
The established businesses are going to have a larger overhead than the pop-ups that are proposed in some of these proposals,

[Speaker 1] (30:54 - 31:13)
and it's going to impact the revenue and adding new food options without expanding the capacity risk undermining the stability of existing businesses. So what I've come up with with some of my fellow business owners is that we need to...

[Speaker 1] (31:15 - 31:22)
improve pedestrian safety, address the parking concerns, and support the current businesses there before adding more. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (31:22 - 31:23)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (31:25 - 31:29)
Any additional public comment? Oh, I see a hand up online,

[Speaker 2] (31:29 - 31:31)
so if you could allow him to unmute.

[Speaker 3] (31:34 - 31:35)
On mute.

[Speaker 2] (31:35 - 31:38)
If you right click on those three dots,

[Speaker 2] (31:38 - 31:39)
I think.

[Speaker 3] (31:39 - 31:39)
There he is.

[Speaker 2] (31:39 - 31:40)
Oh, he's there. Okay, great. Thanks.

[Speaker 4] (31:42 - 31:43)
He sure is dead.

[Speaker 4] (31:44 - 31:44)
It's

[Speaker 2] (31:44 - 31:45)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (31:45 - 31:45)
Delta Metro,

[Speaker 2] (31:45 - 31:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (31:46 - 31:48)
1008 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 4] (31:48 - 31:54)
and it was a pleasure to listen to Judge Allen,

[Speaker 4] (31:54 - 31:59)
who talks the talk and walks the walk,

[Speaker 4] (31:59 - 32:07)
and it is an absolute crime that this board has not been proactive and put him on that committee.

[Speaker 4] (32:08 - 32:33)
think to energize have an expert like that and you folks are sitting there doing nothing about it I've been on this for months for you to put him on that committee and it's just a shame but I'm delighted everyone in town can see that a petty political argument has interfered with filling this committee with this kind of an expert

[Speaker 4] (32:33 - 32:35)
Thank you for the time.

[Speaker 2] (32:36 - 32:38)
Thank you. Mr. Demento.

[Speaker 2] (32:42 - 32:43)
Anyone else?

[Speaker 2] (32:44 - 32:44)
Please.

[Speaker 2] (32:46 - 32:47)
State your name and your address.

[Speaker 5] (32:48 - 32:50)
Hi, my name is Mike Kelleher,

[Speaker 5] (32:50 - 32:51)
Pine Hill Road,

[Speaker 5] (32:51 - 32:52)
Swampscott.

[Speaker 5] (32:52 - 32:56)
I just want to speak in favor of the limited time only proposal.

[Speaker 5] (32:57 - 33:02)
Just I hear your concerns and I'm very happy your business is in town.

[Speaker 5] (33:02 - 33:04)
But I just wanted to clarify,

[Speaker 5] (33:04 - 33:05)
I know I've sent everything,

[Speaker 5] (33:05 - 33:18)
I'm not going to talk much, but she did address some things that I think is worth addressing. And, you know, my proposal will actually incorporate local businesses because we're going to be outsourcing food to open fast and to do.

[Speaker 5] (33:18 - 33:35)
to try and partner with other local businesses and so I think the destination we've created will actually hopefully drive more business to your bakery and to other businesses in town as overflow but anyway thank you and that's all I got unless yeah that's

[Speaker 2] (33:35 - 33:35)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (33:35 - 33:35)
it

[Speaker 2] (33:35 - 33:35)
you.

[Speaker 2] (33:38 - 33:39)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (33:39 - 33:40)
any additional public comment?

[Speaker 2] (33:44 - 33:47)
All right, seeing none, we will move on to new and old business.

[Speaker 2] (33:48 - 33:53)
The first item is discussion and possible vote on the fiscal year 2027 preliminary budget.

[Speaker 6] (33:53 - 33:56)
We included this to allow for discussion when we were posting.

[Speaker 6] (33:56 - 33:58)
It was in advance of Monday's meeting.

[Speaker 6] (33:58 - 34:06)
You know, we're happy to take any other feedback, questions, and obviously any request for information that we can provide to better inform.

[Speaker 6] (34:06 - 34:09)
But we posted this in advance of Monday's meeting to make sure it was available to everyone.

[Speaker 2] (34:11 - 34:21)
Okay, it's uh so I guess then if if any of us haven't communicated any follow-up or questions or requests for documentation from Patrick or Nick, anybody have anything?

[Speaker 6] (34:23 - 34:45)
I I think the one thing I would add just to highlight that as we understood what you asked for was looking at where we could make some difficult decisions that would result in savings that may affect or may not affect uh service and be able to articulate that but also to be looking at that through the prism or the lens of you know what is the number that will have sort of chunky impacts on the taxpayer impact so

[Speaker 6] (34:46 - 34:53)
How much do we need to reduce in order to have a $100 reduction in the anticipated tax bill? That's an increase in the anticipated tax bill.

[Speaker 6] (34:53 - 34:58)
That's the way that we're looking at it, and that's what we would anticipate coming back to you with something on the 18th that would have a little more detail.

[Speaker 6] (34:59 - 35:02)
So I just wanted to make sure that that does jive with what you all are looking for.

[Speaker 7] (35:03 - 35:04)
And then I'm guessing this is going to be a,

[Speaker 7] (35:04 - 35:07)
the budget is going to be on every agenda of.

[Speaker 6] (35:07 - 35:08)
We plan to have it on every agenda.

[Speaker 2] (35:08 - 35:08)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (35:08 - 35:14)
I think discussion for sure. I think for the charter at some point in the near future we would like to have a vote.

[Speaker 6] (35:14 - 35:17)
The vote just to continue moving it through the process, understanding that it will continue to change.

[Speaker 6] (35:18 - 35:27)
But yeah, my expectation is that we would have this every week that we are together so that we can be providing anything that's necessary or having deeper discussion around anything we do provide to you.

[Speaker 7] (35:28 - 35:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (35:29 - 35:37)
Yeah, I think the only comment I sort of walked away lingering on was the parallel track of asking each,

[Speaker 2] (35:37 - 35:39)
you know, department head,

[Speaker 2] (35:39 - 35:39)
school,

[Speaker 2] (35:39 - 35:41)
police and fire to.

[Speaker 2] (35:41 - 36:07)
take another hard look at the budget and come back to you with some necessary depreciation and then also at the same time having two additional paths having Patrick come up with a dollar amount by which once we've sort of settled that dust now how much are we looking to cut like and how much is that communicating in a two tax savings

[Speaker 2] (36:07 - 36:11)
So I think for me it's likely the one before the other,

[Speaker 2] (36:11 - 36:13)
but both are equally important.

[Speaker 6] (36:14 - 36:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (36:14 - 36:15)
Do you know what I'm saying?

[Speaker 6] (36:15 - 36:20)
Yeah, and I, you know, I think that we can come to you with a a

[Speaker 6] (36:21 - 36:50)
Thoughtful discussion on both that we'll highlight and we can start we can talk about which one should go first in that discussion But it's certainly something where I think we had asked department heads already to think a little bit about in advance of this knowing that we were making a significant ask as it relates to access levy capacity So there there has been some discussion already and we can go a little deeper on the expense side But also understand if there's you know, obviously salary impact in terms of staff Right now we're focused on expense and optimizing and making sure that we can do

[Speaker 6] (36:49 - 37:02)
can do everything that we can and then to describe to you all how that would impact service so that it's a you know it is a thoughtful discussion and informed discussion that you all and then ultimately can come and town meeting will be making

[Speaker 2] (37:03 - 37:03)
Wonderful.

[Speaker 2] (37:07 - 37:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (37:07 - 37:08)
Everyone's good?

[Speaker 2] (37:09 - 37:09)
We'll move on.

[Speaker 2] (37:10 - 37:14)
Update and discussion of the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee.

[Speaker 2] (37:16 - 37:16)
That's you.

[Speaker 8] (37:16 - 37:17)
Yeah, I'm going to be in Kelly's.

[Speaker 4] (37:17 - 37:18)
Hello!

[Speaker 2] (37:18 - 37:20)
Oh, hello Kelly, how are you?

[Speaker 4] (37:20 - 37:21)
I am remote.

[Speaker 4] (37:22 - 37:22)
How are you?

[Speaker 2] (37:22 - 37:23)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (37:23 - 37:23)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (37:24 - 37:27)
So we have, I believe we have a presentation which Nick's going to pull up.

[Speaker 6] (37:27 - 37:28)
Just give me one second,

[Speaker 6] (37:29 - 37:29)
working

[Speaker 2] (37:29 - 37:29)
And

[Speaker 6] (37:29 - 37:29)
on it.

[Speaker 2] (37:29 - 37:37)
we have the chair on for the committee and some committee members who are going to present.

[Speaker 8] (37:43 - 37:46)
Okay, we've been synized.

[Speaker 8] (37:50 - 37:50)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (37:51 - 37:51)
Whoa.

[Speaker 6] (37:53 - 37:53)
Feels pretty.

[Speaker 8] (37:53 - 37:54)
Excellent,

[Speaker 8] (37:54 - 37:55)
like magic.

[Speaker 8] (37:56 - 37:56)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (37:56 - 37:58)
so I'm Kelly Beacon,

[Speaker 8] (37:58 - 38:04)
I'm the chair of the Water and Sewer Infrastructure Advisory Committee and Brian Coleman,

[Speaker 8] (38:04 - 38:05)
the vice chair is

[Speaker 8] (38:06 - 38:21)
In person at the meeting and we have essentially a committee status update and a line of discussion that we wanted to share with the board and the town administrator and the director of public works and the community.

[Speaker 8] (38:21 - 38:22)
Next slide.

[Speaker 6] (38:25 - 38:26)
Oh, give me one second.

[Speaker 6] (38:28 - 38:29)
There we go.

[Speaker 8] (38:30 - 38:33)
I know folks are generally aware but just to kind of...

[Speaker 8] (38:34 - 38:41)
refresh and just take a quick second to remind ourselves how the committee came to be and what our mission is.

[Speaker 8] (38:41 - 38:48)
Our purpose as a committee is to advise a select board on matters affecting Swampscott's water resource systems.

[Speaker 8] (38:48 - 38:50)
So that includes the drinking water system,

[Speaker 8] (38:50 - 38:51)
the wastewater system,

[Speaker 8] (38:51 - 38:52)
the stormwater system,

[Speaker 8] (38:52 - 38:53)
and groundwater,

[Speaker 8] (38:54 - 38:57)
including the underground. So it's pretty broad.

[Speaker 8] (38:58 - 39:23)
charge and the committee is to develop reliable subject matter expertise related to the town's water resources and work with the director of public works and engineering consultants to develop and recommend make recommendations to the select board on plans policies and procedures on more or less complying with various state and federal regulations ms4 the consent decree other clean water act requirements

[Speaker 8] (39:24 - 39:40)
So, to give you better uh uh the committee was established um in November 23, the select board appointed committee members in January 24. We have eight voting members currently including the director of public works and our committee meets monthly.

[Speaker 8] (39:41 - 39:42)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:49)
go through all this it's all on the website but as a point of background our mission

[Speaker 1] (39:51 - 40:09)
As established by the Select Board when the committee was created is to review the asset management plan that was developed by Klein-Felder in 2024 as part of a grant and the associated capital improvement plan that is included with the asset management plan and comment on priorities and recommendations.

[Speaker 1] (40:10 - 40:25)
To work with the Director of Public Works and the town consultants at this time, Hayes, Kleinfeld, to research and understand historical water sewer and underdrain repairs or rehab and potential causes of illicit discharge.

[Speaker 1] (40:26 - 40:38)
Review all IDDE investigation and remediation plans for Stacy's Brook and the areas beyond Stacy's Brook and make recommendations for plans, timelines and funding.

[Speaker 1] (40:39 - 40:42)
Engage with DPW consulting engineers,

[Speaker 1] (40:43 - 40:44)
DEP and EPA to monitor,

[Speaker 1] (40:44 - 40:51)
review and report on plans and progress toward goals to evaluate bringing groundwater,

[Speaker 1] (40:52 - 40:54)
wastewater and stormwater systems into place.

[Speaker 1] (40:53 - 40:58)
into compliance and recommend funding solutions next

[Speaker 1] (41:01 - 41:06)
Engage with neighboring communities to uncover opportunities that could benefit from regionalization,

[Speaker 1] (41:06 - 41:13)
monitor and report any new state or federal policies that could affect how the town manages water resources,

[Speaker 1] (41:14 - 41:16)
coordinate with other town committees,

[Speaker 1] (41:16 - 41:27)
climate action planning committee and open space and others and look for opportunities to collaborate and establish community outreach and education for all matters relating to stormwater management and other.

[Speaker 1] (41:27 - 41:28)
related issues.

[Speaker 1] (41:29 - 41:30)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (41:32 - 41:36)
So at the time that the purpose and mission was established,

[Speaker 1] (41:37 - 41:40)
a set of very specific goals for our committee.

[Speaker 1] (41:41 - 41:42)
was established as well.

[Speaker 1] (41:43 - 42:07)
And in terms of the desire to seek feedback from the board and the sound administrator and others on priorities going forward, we wanted to offer that we take a look at some of the original goals and look at perhaps aligning our goals better with the priorities for the town and the community going forward.

[Speaker 1] (42:08 - 42:09)
And in particular,

[Speaker 1] (42:09 - 42:14)
what's on the screen are the sewer specific goals and the primary.

[Speaker 1] (42:15 - 42:19)
The primary issue as I see it, as the committee sees it,

[Speaker 1] (42:19 - 42:21)
is that many of the goals,

[Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:28)
which really serve the way we're going to measure how prioritize our work and how we're going to measure success,

[Speaker 1] (42:28 - 42:30)
the committee's success,

[Speaker 1] (42:30 - 42:32)
is whether or not we achieve these goals.

[Speaker 1] (42:32 - 42:37)
So many of these goals are actually consultants deliverables.

[Speaker 1] (42:37 - 42:43)
They're not really in keeping with what the mission of the committee is.

[Speaker 1] (42:44 - 43:01)
But I just wanted to start that conversation in terms of trying to refine and really refresh what success looks like for our committee and what collectively with the town administrators, the select board and other committees we want to focus on.

[Speaker 1] (43:01 - 43:03)
So in this case, as it stands currently,

[Speaker 1] (43:03 - 43:08)
the sewer specific goals are to review INI historical and current rates.

[Speaker 1] (43:09 - 43:10)
That's definitely a shared task.

[Speaker 1] (43:10 - 43:16)
ask that the committee and the town and the town's consultant can collaborate on.

[Speaker 1] (43:16 - 43:26)
The second sewer specific goal is to complete a town-wide infiltration and inflow study and to use those results to prioritize sewer activities for the next five years.

[Speaker 1] (43:26 - 43:34)
That type of a study is something that would be prepared by the consultant. That would be a consultant-led activity.

[Speaker 1] (43:35 - 43:47)
Next is to develop a roadmap to follow on investigations that is referred to as in the goals as a sanitary sewer evaluation study, also a consultant-led deliverable.

[Speaker 1] (43:48 - 43:55)
Refine the capital improvement plan to eliminate eye-to-eye and renew the aging system and eliminate sources of sewage in the drainage system,

[Speaker 1] (43:55 - 44:02)
also a consultant-led deliverable. Study the issue around private sewer laterals and develop...

[Speaker 1] (44:02 - 44:11)
Develop a policy or program that citizens can utilize to inspect and repair their laterals and discuss how to fund. That, I think, is pretty squarely a committee,

[Speaker 1] (44:11 - 44:14)
advisory committee task.

[Speaker 1] (44:14 - 44:15)
Next.

[Speaker 1] (44:18 - 44:23)
These are the drain-specific goals and who would lead such an activity.

[Speaker 1] (44:24 - 44:29)
Recommend an annual operating budget to comply with annual NIFTI stormwater permit requirements.

[Speaker 1] (44:29 - 44:33)
That's definitely a shared goal that we could collaborate with all the stakeholders on.

[Speaker 1] (44:34 - 44:36)
Assess the condition of the drainage system,

[Speaker 1] (44:36 - 44:40)
primarily a consultant-led activity.

[Speaker 1] (44:40 - 44:44)
Develop a roadmap for investigations into the drainage system.

[Speaker 1] (44:44 - 44:50)
Consultant-led ongoing training of DPW staff to perform outfall inspections.

[Speaker 1] (44:51 - 45:00)
Consultant-led explore institution of a stormwater enterprise fund to create dedicated revenue to source and fund activities.

[Speaker 1] (45:00 - 45:05)
That would be an advisory task that we have undertaken and we have developed,

[Speaker 1] (45:06 - 45:12)
we have some recommendations internally with our committee regarding stormwater enterprise.

[Speaker 1] (45:12 - 45:14)
enterprise fund opportunities.

[Speaker 1] (45:15 - 45:19)
Advanced understanding of the vulnerability and exposure to climate change related to flooding,

[Speaker 1] (45:19 - 45:22)
shared goal.

[Speaker 1] (45:22 - 45:26)
Evaluate green space and other opportunities for stormwater reduction.

[Speaker 1] (45:26 - 45:29)
A committee-led activity.

[Speaker 1] (45:30 - 45:33)
Develop comprehensive stormwater management plan.

[Speaker 1] (45:33 - 45:37)
Consultant-led. And there is an existing stormwater management plan currently.

[Speaker 1] (45:38 - 45:39)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (45:41 - 45:46)
So why goal alignment is needed is that we would,

[Speaker 1] (45:46 - 45:52)
most of these goals are technical engineering deliverables that the consultants is preparing.

[Speaker 1] (45:52 - 45:58)
So our committee's value is in reviewing the deliverables, coordinating with the director of public works,

[Speaker 1] (45:58 - 45:59)
the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (45:59 - 46:08)
and helping select or to prioritize actions and funding needs. And aligning these goals ensures that our committee can deliver meaningful impact.

[Speaker 1] (46:08 - 46:09)
input on planning,

[Speaker 1] (46:09 - 46:11)
prioritization, compliance, and community engagement.

[Speaker 1] (46:12 - 46:16)
The committee is proposing to work with the Select Board, the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (46:16 - 46:22)
and the director of public works to reset the goals so that they better match the committee's mission and the town's priorities.

[Speaker 1] (46:23 - 46:23)
Next.

[Speaker 1] (46:27 - 46:28)
That aside.

[Speaker 1] (46:29 - 46:30)
In fiscal 26,

[Speaker 1] (46:31 - 46:49)
the focus areas that we're actively working on currently include the sewer lateral bylaw, which was developed and withdrawn from town meeting last year that's being refreshed and with the intent to submit for May town meeting,

[Speaker 1] (46:49 - 46:58)
developing sampling strategies. George Allen is amazing and has had put forward some excellent.

[Speaker 1] (46:58 - 47:08)
With suggestions. So we have a sampling workgroup on our committee and we have two folks that have extensive backgrounds in environmental sampling.

[Speaker 1] (47:08 - 47:10)
And they have also,

[Speaker 1] (47:10 - 47:12)
as our whole committee has reviewed,

[Speaker 1] (47:12 - 47:14)
Georgia's recommendations.

[Speaker 2] (47:27 - 47:28)
You're still on mute. One second.

[Speaker 3] (47:28 - 47:29)
You may have to unmute

[Speaker 1] (47:29 - 47:29)
We'll

[Speaker 3] (47:29 - 47:29)
yourself.

[Speaker 1] (47:29 - 47:32)
say with respect to the gaps that mass DEP

[Speaker 1] (47:33 - 47:46)
Who gave the grant funding for the development of the asset management plan has specific criteria to be eligible for the grant funding which the project met.

[Speaker 1] (47:46 - 48:02)
So in our technical review of the asset management plan and our feedback doesn't mean that the plan didn't satisfy the criteria that MassDEP put out. It did and it received that funding. But so what we're sharing are our...

[Speaker 1] (48:02 - 48:26)
our observations and gaps so first up the risk associate there's a risk assessment associated with the asset management plan there's risk likelihood of failure and consequence of failure that derives a risk approach and for the most part did I do it again I hear an echo okay the

[Speaker 1] (48:28 - 48:28)
You know,

[Speaker 1] (48:28 - 48:30)
the infrastructure here is old.

[Speaker 1] (48:30 - 48:32)
We don't have most of the records,

[Speaker 1] (48:32 - 48:36)
the extent to which we have records are written and they're older.

[Speaker 1] (48:36 - 48:42)
So most of the risk assessment is based on estimated age and material.

[Speaker 1] (48:42 - 48:53)
There's lots of different ways to, depending on the level of granularity and information that you have for a risk assessment of any sort.

[Speaker 1] (48:53 - 49:20)
including an asset management plan they can be more or less accurate depending on the data upon which it is based in our case this asset management plan is based predominantly on estimated age and material in there and there are gaps there there are you know assumptions that could be refined and there's there's other data that we as we make improvements to the system you know could in an ideal world be

[Speaker 1] (49:21 - 49:34)
more memorialized in an asset management software or some other way to more efficiently track upgrades and failures and improvements,

[Speaker 1] (49:35 - 49:38)
replacements, repairs that are made as we go forward.

[Speaker 1] (49:39 - 49:39)
So that's

[Speaker 1] (49:41 - 49:43)
There are some missing,

[Speaker 1] (49:43 - 49:48)
there are also some missing assets that are not identified in the plan.

[Speaker 1] (49:49 - 49:58)
But it is a starting point and it does give us a fairly complete inventory and a place to begin and to evolve it from there.

[Speaker 1] (49:59 - 50:03)
The risk prioritization method in this sort of

[Speaker 1] (50:04 - 50:14)
High-level asset management plan treats the different systems equally in terms of the water system, the stormwater system,

[Speaker 1] (50:14 - 50:15)
and the wastewater system.

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:26)
There isn't the consequence of failure is treated equally between the three systems, so it doesn't distinguish in terms of prioritizing projects and prioritizing funding,

[Speaker 1] (50:26 - 50:29)
it doesn't really distinguish that a potential

[Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:42)
The consequence of failure of the drinking water system may be higher than the consequence of failure of a storm water system. So it doesn't get into that.

[Speaker 1] (50:43 - 50:55)
And it does lack some detail that would be needed to further refine a better understanding of system risks and project priorities.

[Speaker 1] (50:56 - 51:01)
It also provides an opportunity now that it exists, the plan exists,

[Speaker 1] (51:01 - 51:08)
it provides opportunities to explore other options to see grant funding for,

[Speaker 1] (51:08 - 51:09)
this is just one example,

[Speaker 1] (51:09 - 51:11)
there are other opportunities,

[Speaker 1] (51:11 - 51:16)
but one example would be to see grant funding for an asset management software tool to better support,

[Speaker 1] (51:17 - 51:20)
make repairs in a dynamic system,

[Speaker 1] (51:20 - 51:21)
we can improve,

[Speaker 1] (51:21 - 51:24)
we can evolve the asset management plan.

[Speaker 1] (51:25 - 51:28)
In terms of the water system,

[Speaker 1] (51:28 - 51:31)
which I mentioned a little on the previous slide,

[Speaker 1] (51:31 - 51:38)
we do have, every town does have, as do we, an ongoing water balance loss.

[Speaker 1] (51:38 - 51:44)
We lose 20 some odd percent of the water that we get from MWRAR on an annual basis.

[Speaker 1] (51:44 - 51:51)
So we have an opportunity to kind of look into that further and see if we can reduce that.

[Speaker 1] (51:52 - 52:03)
as well as address any weaknesses in you know potentially future fire protection and confirm that we don't have any lead service lines at this point.

[Speaker 1] (52:03 - 52:19)
We haven't found any and there's the data to date about four about 40 percent of the way through the tie cards the water service tie cards there isn't an indication that we have lead service lines in small scrap but more work is needed to get through the

[Speaker 1] (52:19 - 52:22)
get through the entire inventory.

[Speaker 1] (52:23 - 52:25)
I think I mentioned this on the previous slide.

[Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:27)
With respect to governance,

[Speaker 1] (52:27 - 52:40)
we would suggest that there be some coordination with coordination with other committee committees and ongoing efforts like the King's Beach Steering Committee.

[Speaker 1] (52:41 - 52:42)
Next.

[Speaker 1] (52:47 - 52:47)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (52:47 - 52:53)
So the feedback that we are requesting from the select board is thoughts,

[Speaker 1] (52:53 - 53:07)
feedback on, you know, an approval to kind of revisit and refine the committee's goal to align it with our mission and the town's priorities as they are right now.

[Speaker 1] (53:08 - 53:12)
Seek some direction on the expectations for our committee's coordination.

[Speaker 1] (53:13 - 53:15)
Would the select board, the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (53:15 - 53:24)
and the director of public works and other committees and to clarify our committee's role in ongoing work like the King speech steering committee.

[Speaker 1] (53:25 - 53:27)
I think that's the last one.

[Speaker 2] (53:29 - 53:31)
That is okay.

[Speaker 1] (53:32 - 53:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (53:33 - 53:33)
I'm okay.

[Speaker 2] (53:37 - 53:39)
Okay. Thank you Kelly for the presentation.

[Speaker 2] (53:40 - 53:43)
Ryan, did you have anything you wanted to add before we moved on to select board discussion?

[Speaker 2] (53:46 - 53:48)
Not to put you on the spot, but just because you're here.

[Speaker 3] (53:49 - 53:51)
If you don't mind,

[Speaker 3] (53:51 - 53:57)
Kelly, I just want to elaborate on a few things that you said. I'm Brian Drummond, vice chair of the Water and Sewer Committee.

[Speaker 3] (53:57 - 54:01)
And I know first I'd like to praise the select board,

[Speaker 3] (54:01 - 54:03)
the town administrator and Kelly,

[Speaker 3] (54:03 - 54:05)
because I think we have a phenomenal committee.

[Speaker 3] (54:05 - 54:08)
They're just highly technical people.

[Speaker 3] (54:09 - 54:37)
want to do numbers want to do reviews and we have people in the industry people that do statistical analysis and been involved with with testing that being said we seem to always wrestle with in our mission statement the word review and the question is okay so are we reviewing a finished report or can we review the draft and maybe make that report better

[Speaker 3] (54:38 - 54:44)
And we weren't allowed to review the U_V_ pilot Kings

[Speaker 3] (54:45 - 54:48)
Beach report and make comments. We just

[Speaker 3] (54:50 - 54:54)
got something afterwards and and I think if the committee had

[Speaker 3] (54:55 - 55:10)
been allowed to review that report it would have been a better report and that it would have had perhaps more SwampSkid focus would have had better charts wrote a SwampSkid would have been a statistical analysis would have had a better recommendation would have talked about you know

[Speaker 3] (55:12 - 55:20)
Kleinfeld you know was in the plan to measure the volume from the SwampSkid and the Lynn Culberts but something happened with the pump vendor and then

[Speaker 3] (55:22 - 55:38)
You know, at high tide the ocean came over the werewolf and we were pumping in seawater, we were processing seawater through the UV system and we were clogging the system with seaweed and somehow nobody had

[Speaker 3] (55:38 - 55:46)
the authority to stop the test and make the right question, corrections which would have been turning the pumps off.

[Speaker 3] (55:47 - 56:01)
high tide and so you know there was a whole way the testing was run that it needed to have you know a test czar or test person that had that that authority we

[Speaker 3] (56:03 - 56:10)
did vote on the committee two meetings ago you know to ask the board to going forward that

[Speaker 3] (56:11 - 56:19)
the town, the state and the feds asked them to do separate testing and the swamps could culvert because, you know, the positive thing of that UV

[Speaker 3] (56:21 - 56:24)
project last summer was for the first time we got the swamps at

[Speaker 3] (56:25 - 56:34)
bacteria numbers separate from when they combined on the beach. And so what we saw from that was that we're in pretty good shape and making great progress.

[Speaker 3] (56:34 - 56:38)
And but you can't do that if you don't have that number separate and that

[Speaker 3] (56:39 - 56:45)
The state has to do it, the feds have to do it, and the town has to do it, and sort of ask you to take care of that.

[Speaker 3] (56:47 - 56:52)
The sewer lateral bylaw is coming, we'll probably vote on it the next meeting,

[Speaker 3] (56:52 - 57:02)
but it's going to need to have a quick turnaround with town council going through it and then presenting to the select board if we're going to make the May town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (57:05 - 57:18)
And the huge water loss of 23% makes no sense to me. And I think we have too many water main failures and I

[Speaker 3] (57:20 - 57:29)
don't know why in an ideal world the asset management report would have pointed out those pipes as red and being going to fail and you would.

[Speaker 3] (57:30 - 57:56)
fix them before they fail and you know the hardest thing to do is it's easy to fix stuff once they fail but it's a huge cost and the hardest thing you want to fix it the day before it fails but that's hard also but that's where you want to be in the asset management report and plan you know has to be updated constantly so you can adjust it and make those those changes and if another

[Speaker 3] (57:57 - 58:22)
Pipe looks similar to one that just failed where you look at and you fix it and that's why you use the report and the last thing I'll say is and it's kind of off-topic but maybe not is that the town noise bylaw is not correct and somebody's got to update it because it's in the it's using the wrong units and it doesn't

[Speaker 3] (58:23 - 58:28)
include the amount of the noise level above ambient.

[Speaker 3] (58:28 - 58:38)
You know, that was one of the big problems at the King's Beach UV pilot program. It's, you know, the noise met the limit when you got traffic and everything going,

[Speaker 3] (58:38 - 58:40)
but two in the morning,

[Speaker 3] (58:41 - 58:45)
it was too high above that ambient level,

[Speaker 3] (58:45 - 58:49)
and that has to get added to the swamp's good noise by law.

[Speaker 3] (58:50 - 58:53)
So that's just, it's related but not.

[Speaker 2] (58:55 - 58:55)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (58:56 - 58:56)
That's all.

[Speaker 2] (58:57 - 59:08)
Okay, so I guess how do we all want to start this discussion? 'Cause I think the committee's asked for us to give feedback on

[Speaker 4] (59:08 - 59:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (59:08 - 59:08)
the three

[Speaker 4] (59:08 - 59:09)
just three.

[Speaker 5] (59:11 - 59:13)
Could we post, could we read, could we

[Speaker 2] (59:13 - 59:14)
Yep, could you put the um

[Speaker 5] (59:14 - 59:15)
slide that slide

[Speaker 2] (59:15 - 59:15)
slide

[Speaker 5] (59:15 - 59:15)
back up.

[Speaker 2] (59:15 - 59:15)
back up?

[Speaker 6] (59:15 - 59:16)
Just give me a second.

[Speaker 2] (59:16 - 59:16)
Sorry.

[Speaker 5] (59:16 - 59:17)
No, we

[Speaker 2] (59:17 - 59:22)
I said feedback and then I could hear myself, so I thought it was the irony happening.

[Speaker 2] (59:23 - 59:34)
So I'll read them real quick. Uh they've asked for approval to revisit and refine the um goals to align with the missions and town priorities. They've asked for direction on expectations for coordination with ourselves.

[Speaker 2] (59:55 - 59:59)
Well, I think we kind of have to, I think we have to really kind of go far back here.

[Speaker 2] (59:59 - 1:00:06)
So I first want to understand the mission and the goals that were put up on one of the previous slides. There were a number

[Speaker 1] (1:00:06 - 1:00:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:06 - 1:00:07)
of them.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:07 - 1:00:15)
Where did they come from and how far back do they date? To that, who created those? Like where did that, what, where did that originate?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:16 - 1:00:17)
You think any from Sean when

[Speaker 2] (1:00:17 - 1:00:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:18 - 1:00:19)
the committee was put together?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:19 - 1:00:24)
So he tasked you guys with the list that was previously up here.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:24 - 1:00:26)
Select board tasked him with running

[Speaker 2] (1:00:26 - 1:00:27)
Okay. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:27 - 1:00:28)
So that was probably,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:28 - 1:00:29)
the committee.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:29 - 1:00:30)
oh, here we go. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:30 - 1:00:31)
So that's

[Speaker 4] (1:00:31 - 1:00:31)
Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:31 - 1:00:33)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:34 - 1:00:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:34 - 1:00:37)
So are there any of these that.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:38 - 1:00:47)
Are they still ongoing, right? Are any of these ones that can be removed? How far back did, I mean, if these were created by Sean,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:47 - 1:00:47)
what,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:47 - 1:00:48)
maybe three,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:48 - 1:00:49)
four years ago?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:50 - 1:00:54)
Are there any that are still relevant? What is still relevant? What's not?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:55 - 1:00:56)
So, Kelly,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:56 - 1:00:56)
What have

[Speaker 3] (1:00:56 - 1:00:57)
do you we want to

[Speaker 2] (1:00:57 - 1:00:57)
completed?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:57 - 1:00:57)
say something?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:57 - 1:00:57)
What

[Speaker 3] (1:00:57 - 1:00:57)
Because I

[Speaker 2] (1:00:57 - 1:00:58)
have we

[Speaker 3] (1:00:58 - 1:00:58)
would say,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:58 - 1:00:58)
not?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:58 - 1:01:01)
you know, the reviewing of the asset manager report.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:02 - 1:01:04)
At this point, that's a one and dime,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:04 - 1:01:04)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:04 - 1:01:04)
but

[Speaker 2] (1:01:04 - 1:01:05)
So that should come off.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:05 - 1:01:06)
it shouldn't be.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:06 - 1:01:07)
It shouldn't be.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:07 - 1:01:09)
No, it should be ongoing.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:09 - 1:01:09)
Ongoing.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:09 - 1:01:10)
Ongoing.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:11 - 1:01:14)
So maybe we need to word it a different way or...

[Speaker 5] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
If

[Speaker 2] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
you look

[Speaker 2] (1:01:15 - 1:01:19)
think at most my problem is with looking at these and looking at the presentation ahead of time,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:19 - 1:01:21)
I was nothing but confused,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:21 - 1:01:21)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:21 - 1:01:27)
So I think that we have to somehow simplify that so people can actually see what the original goal was,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:27 - 1:01:29)
what the work was that was done,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:29 - 1:01:31)
whether it's completed,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:31 - 1:01:31)
whether it's outstanding,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:32 - 1:01:36)
and to give us an idea of where we've been, where we're currently at,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:36 - 1:01:38)
and where we're striving to go, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:38 - 1:01:39)
That's how my mind works anyway,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:40 - 1:01:41)
and I just felt like...

[Speaker 2] (1:01:41 - 1:01:45)
There were way too many of these to be manageable for any committee.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:45 - 1:01:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:46 - 1:01:48)
So that's my first thought,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:48 - 1:01:52)
that some of the stuff, if it can come off or has been completed,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:52 - 1:02:01)
let's try to get that down to a manageable level because I just think that as much as I commend volunteers and committees,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:01 - 1:02:02)
this is just a big,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:03 - 1:02:08)
it seems to me to be a whole big ask for people and whether or not.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:08 - 1:02:28)
not we're actually getting this stuff done or this is just kind of pie in the sky goals or you know what what if this is manageable so that's kind of my first question on the goals what can we pare down here how can we make it a little bit more manageable and really understand what's been completed what we're still looking to do in the plan to get there

[Speaker 6] (1:02:29 - 1:02:31)
I think a lot of these things are ongoing.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:31 - 1:02:32)
There are plans.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:32 - 1:02:34)
There are, there is a road map.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:34 - 1:02:37)
There are compliance efforts for NIFTIs.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:37 - 1:02:50)
There are, I mean, many of these things are things that our Clean Water Act and MS4 and other related regulations and there will always be a need to do this work. There are most of this,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:50 - 1:02:57)
most of the things that say consultant-led start with a report and it evolves,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:58 - 1:03:01)
just like the cleaning up of the beach. We've been working on the

[Speaker 6] (1:03:01 - 1:03:03)
you know on the consent decree for 10 years.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:03 - 1:03:03)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (1:03:03 - 1:03:03)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:03:03 - 1:03:03)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:03 - 1:03:08)
started with a report and then it iterated and that's how we have phase one,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:08 - 1:03:09)
phase two A,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:09 - 1:03:09)
phase two B,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:10 - 1:03:10)
phase two C.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:10 - 1:03:12)
They're not static.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:12 - 1:03:13)
They're dynamic.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:13 - 1:03:16)
At one point in time there is a document,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:16 - 1:03:21)
but work has to happen in most cases here continuously.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:22 - 1:03:23)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:23 - 1:03:25)
so in terms of crossing things off,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:25 - 1:03:26)
like are any of these done?

[Speaker 6] (1:03:26 - 1:03:28)
Can we just put an X through them?

[Speaker 6] (1:03:28 - 1:03:29)
There might be a couple like that,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:29 - 1:03:32)
but I mean, even the stormwater management plan,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:32 - 1:03:33)
it exists,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:33 - 1:03:34)
but it shouldn't be.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:35 - 1:03:37)
It should be evolved as

[Speaker 2] (1:03:37 - 1:03:42)
Right. I think my bigger point is how do we get people in this town to understand where we're at,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:42 - 1:03:42)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:03:43 - 1:03:46)
Because the common question that we get is where are we with the consent decree?

[Speaker 3] (1:03:47 - 1:03:47)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:47 - 1:03:47)
How

[Speaker 3] (1:03:47 - 1:03:47)
so far go to

[Speaker 2] (1:03:47 - 1:03:48)
along are we in

[Speaker 3] (1:03:48 - 1:03:48)
the next

[Speaker 2] (1:03:48 - 1:03:49)
that process?

[Speaker 3] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:49 - 1:03:56)
So I'm trying to figure out a way that we can make this more digestible for the 15,000 residents that live here to understand where we're at,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:57 - 1:03:57)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:03:57 - 1:03:58)
That's my point.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:58 - 1:04:05)
So there is there is a line on the consent decree. Can you bring it up on the with slide five one or two?

[Speaker 3] (1:04:06 - 1:04:06)
Yeah

[Speaker 6] (1:04:23 - 1:04:29)
The consent decree is the termination clauses,

[Speaker 6] (1:04:30 - 1:04:39)
it's very difficult to, there's not a line in the sand that's very clear in the regulatory language in the consent decree that says you will be done when you hit this point.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:39 - 1:04:41)
You will be done when you comply.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:41 - 1:04:44)
And in terms of where are we,

[Speaker 6] (1:04:44 - 1:04:45)
we are working

[Speaker 3] (1:04:45 - 1:04:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:04:45 - 1:04:46)
on that.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:46 - 1:04:46)
it's right there.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:46 - 1:04:47)
We are working.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:47 - 1:04:48)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:04:48 - 1:04:50)
Brian's working is,

[Speaker 6] (1:04:50 - 1:04:52)
that's his priority project.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:53 - 1:04:56)
There's a lot of different ways to do this. Some are more expensive than others.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:58 - 1:05:04)
One way, the Cadillac version of how do we tell people in a digestible sound bite in an elevator speech,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:05 - 1:05:05)
where are we?

[Speaker 6] (1:05:06 - 1:05:08)
How close are we to done?

[Speaker 6] (1:05:08 - 1:05:16)
And the Cadillac version of that, which the town may not be in the position to financially be interested in at this time,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:16 - 1:05:21)
is to have it all in a GIS system,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:21 - 1:05:23)
to basically have an alignment between,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:23 - 1:05:26)
this is just an example, there's many software,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:26 - 1:05:26)
platforms,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:27 - 1:05:27)
this is just one.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:28 - 1:05:32)
But CityWorks is an example of a system that can align with

[Speaker 6] (1:05:32 - 1:05:43)
GIS that most consulting firms use to track the remedy efforts for consent decrees associated with MS4,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:43 - 1:05:45)
with the sewage getting into the storm.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:45 - 1:05:58)
And all that information is all being, it's always changing and progress and data and physical geospatial databases with where did this happen,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:58 - 1:05:59)
where did that happen.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:58 - 1:05:59)
That happened. Where was this repair?

[Speaker 6] (1:06:00 - 1:06:04)
Where was the concentration of anti here?

[Speaker 6] (1:06:04 - 1:06:04)
Where was it there?

[Speaker 6] (1:06:04 - 1:06:10)
All of that data is in the geospatial database in an asset management software plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:10 - 1:06:19)
And you can configure it to create a report and you can actually quantitatively say we have this many linear feet of pipe.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:19 - 1:06:24)
We have this many manholes. We have this many and that is a much more.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:25 - 1:06:37)
sophisticated and accurate way on a dashboard level to look at your screen and say oh I see we're pretty much 80% of the way there I can click here here here and I can see that's expensive

[Speaker 7] (1:06:39 - 1:06:39)
Kelly,

[Speaker 6] (1:06:39 - 1:06:39)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:39 - 1:06:46)
didn't we have some version of what you're describing,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:47 - 1:06:53)
the geospatial data GIS system in place for testing at Fisherman's Beach?

[Speaker 6] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53)
we do.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:53 - 1:06:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:54 - 1:06:54)
We

[Speaker 6] (1:06:54 - 1:06:55)
Clienteller

[Speaker 7] (1:06:55 - 1:06:55)
do.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:55 - 1:07:00)
uses it and we have, I think we just hired a new GIS specialist in the town.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:01 - 1:07:02)
So we absolutely,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:02 - 1:07:04)
the town has access to all of that data.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:05 - 1:07:06)
There is,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:06 - 1:07:09)
in terms of how could you make wheat,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:10 - 1:07:17)
other Quincy does their progress reporting electronically through a city work system.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:17 - 1:07:24)
So they can gauge where they are by a query, by generating a report in a database.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:24 - 1:07:26)
We could do that.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:26 - 1:07:27)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:27 - 1:07:32)
at the moment, in the absence of funding for that, and it, you know, it's, as with anything,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:32 - 1:07:35)
software is modular, and if you really want to customize,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:35 - 1:07:37)
it's, it adds up.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:37 - 1:07:47)
So, Brian has basically taken the consent decree and we put it in tabular form, and, you know, it's whatever it is, 30 pages long, and we're...

[Speaker 6] (1:07:48 - 1:08:12)
Go try to more or less eventually distill it down into like a one pager like a red yellow green like a stoplight format but really just we don't want to it doesn't make sense to go through 10 years of semi annual reports that's what in order to really say how much have we done what have we done you

[Speaker 6] (1:08:13 - 1:08:17)
It exists, that information exists, but it's in report after report after

[Speaker 1] (1:08:17 - 1:08:18)
Yes, it report. does.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:20 - 1:08:25)
So that's what we have to do is really kind of gauge where have we been,

[Speaker 6] (1:08:25 - 1:08:26)
where are we going,

[Speaker 6] (1:08:26 - 1:08:35)
how much of the infrastructure have we actually either sampled and determined is not problematic or repaired or replaced,

[Speaker 6] (1:08:35 - 1:08:36)
and how much haven't we.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:36 - 1:08:37)
I think.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:38 - 1:08:46)
Brian wants to jump in here, but I think what's difficult, which we, when we developed this committee to go in this direction,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:46 - 1:08:58)
we all understood that this was almost insurmountable because we were asking you to do something that number one, we've never done before. So you're creating from full cloth outside of water sewer rates,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:58 - 1:09:02)
we've never, we never really took some of these matters into consideration.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:02 - 1:09:04)
And then in addition to that.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:04 - 1:09:08)
As Kelly so eloquently stated many times in this presentation,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:09 - 1:09:11)
this is a dynamic situation,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:11 - 1:09:16)
right? We're constantly upgrading things and things are constantly getting older.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:16 - 1:09:19)
So when things like that happen,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:19 - 1:09:23)
when you have a stagnant report,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:23 - 1:09:26)
how are you able to really show the public?

[Speaker 1] (1:09:26 - 1:09:28)
Yes, we did this report a year ago,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:28 - 1:09:29)
but we also...

[Speaker 1] (1:09:32 - 1:09:33)
some good, some bad,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:33 - 1:09:33)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:09:33 - 1:09:33)
and

[Speaker 2] (1:09:33 - 1:09:33)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:33 - 1:09:34)
this is where we are today.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:34 - 1:09:40)
If you don't have, you know, a system to do that, in lieu of spending the money on a system,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:40 - 1:09:41)
we have to either,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:41 - 1:09:47)
you know, give some grace or Brian has had his hand up for many moments and is eager to say something about this.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:48 - 1:09:50)
So I think it's very simple.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:50 - 1:09:54)
Every six months, Kleinfeldar does a report that goes to the EPA,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:55 - 1:09:56)
300 pages long,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:57 - 1:10:06)
a lot of information what they did and what's going on. And I've asked them to put in that report where we are relative to the consent degree.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:07 - 1:10:12)
The problem is I don't have the authority to ask them that because

[Speaker 2] (1:10:13 - 1:10:15)
We're just an advisory committee and,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:15 - 1:10:16)
you know,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:16 - 1:10:17)
it's like, well,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:17 - 1:10:24)
so I want to sit down with Kleinfelder because there's only 19 paragraphs in section seven of the consent decree.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:24 - 1:10:28)
And a lot of the paragraphs say by September 1,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:28 - 1:10:31)
2017, you must have done this.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:31 - 1:10:31)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:31 - 1:10:34)
So those should be easy to check off and

[Speaker 1] (1:10:34 - 1:10:34)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:34 - 1:10:35)
say we're done.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:35 - 1:10:36)
But nobody's doing that.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:36 - 1:10:39)
And I can't get a meeting with Kleinfelder.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:39 - 1:10:46)
to sit down with the top person and go through that that list because somehow we

[Speaker 4] (1:10:46 - 1:10:46)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:46 - 1:10:46)
can't

[Speaker 4] (1:10:46 - 1:10:47)
at

[Speaker 2] (1:10:47 - 1:10:47)
meet with Kleinfeld.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:47 - 1:10:59)
that point, see this is where I think Nick should be interjecting, right? Because I think that it should be on the T.A.'s responsibility to get Kleinfelder and do exactly what Brian is trying to do. That would be my suggestion here.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:59 - 1:11:00)
Well, I think

[Speaker 2] (1:11:00 - 1:11:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:00 - 1:11:04)
in conjunction and coordination with the VPW director who's been here since they were

[Speaker 1] (1:11:04 - 1:11:04)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (1:11:04 - 1:11:05)
renovating.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:05 - 1:11:05)
of course.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:05 - 1:11:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:05 - 1:11:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:05 - 1:11:05)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:05 - 1:11:05)
right,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:05 - 1:11:05)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:11:05 - 1:11:06)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:06 - 1:11:06)
okay, historical.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:06 - 1:11:06)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:06 - 1:11:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:06 - 1:11:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:06 - 1:11:07)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:07 - 1:11:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:07 - 1:11:07)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:07 - 1:11:07)
yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:07 - 1:11:08)
They can help with the history.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:08 - 1:11:08)
A historic

[Speaker 2] (1:11:08 - 1:11:08)
Yeah. So

[Speaker 4] (1:11:08 - 1:11:09)
neighborhood.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:09 - 1:11:09)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:11:09 - 1:11:10)
the six-month report,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:10 - 1:11:11)
March 1,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:11 - 1:11:13)
2026, 2026 is done.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:14 - 1:11:17)
It's got to be on the DPW website today,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:17 - 1:11:18)
tomorrow, the next day.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:18 - 1:11:31)
And I asked them in my comments to that report to include, you know, a schedule where we are and when we're to be, when we're to go to Article 19 requesting.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:33 - 1:11:34)
relieved from the consent decree.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:34 - 1:11:34)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:34 - 1:11:38)
And they said they thought it was too early to do that.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:38 - 1:11:40)
Who's that? Kleinfelder said

[Speaker 1] (1:11:40 - 1:11:40)
Kleinfelder

[Speaker 4] (1:11:40 - 1:11:40)
that? Of course

[Speaker 1] (1:11:40 - 1:11:40)
said

[Speaker 4] (1:11:40 - 1:11:41)
they did.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:41 - 1:11:41)
that.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:41 - 1:11:50)
Yeah, but I think, but I think, I, I, you know, what do I know? But I think by the end of all the construction and work and the money you're spending this summer,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:50 - 1:11:50)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:50 - 1:11:57)
in the fall, you're 90% there. And I think, I think it, I think we should be

[Speaker 2] (1:11:58 - 1:12:00)
Putting that together and...

[Speaker 2] (1:12:03 - 1:12:06)
You know start the first cycle of going to the EPA and and

[Speaker 4] (1:12:06 - 1:12:06)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:12:06 - 1:12:06)
see if

[Speaker 4] (1:12:06 - 1:12:06)
totally

[Speaker 2] (1:12:06 - 1:12:07)
we're

[Speaker 4] (1:12:07 - 1:12:08)
totally agree with you.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:08 - 1:12:12)
See if we're on track or not because a lot of times you know you're out here and they're thinking here and you got to start

[Speaker 4] (1:12:13 - 1:12:13)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:13 - 1:12:20)
cycle of community, you know, okay, well you know and then you know what to do to finish it. I think I think we should be doing that this fall.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:20 - 1:12:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:21 - 1:12:29)
All right, we sort of veered away from what uh this is a great conversation, I don't disagree. We were in the section of goals.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:30 - 1:12:41)
I mean, is it the will of your committee that you want us to dictate new goals, or you just want the ability to come back with suggestions for what you'd like goals to be?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:43 - 1:12:43)
So.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:44 - 1:12:46)
We can come back with suggestions, but

[Speaker 1] (1:12:46 - 1:12:47)
Yeah, because we

[Speaker 6] (1:12:47 - 1:12:48)
we want to, you

[Speaker 1] (1:12:48 - 1:12:48)
didn't

[Speaker 6] (1:12:48 - 1:12:49)
know,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:49 - 1:12:49)
we yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:49 - 1:12:49)
we're acting in a vacuum.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:50 - 1:12:52)
we didn't dictate them in the first place,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:52 - 1:12:52)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:52 - 1:12:53)
like we didn't give a list

[Speaker 6] (1:12:53 - 1:12:53)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:53 - 1:12:58)
of all these goals originally. These goals came from developments with the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:58 - 1:12:59)
David.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:59 - 1:13:06)
Well, they did, they came in coordination in conjunction with the town administrator, the original committee and

[Speaker 1] (1:13:06 - 1:13:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:07 - 1:13:08)
the DPW director.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:09 - 1:13:09)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:09 - 1:13:13)
They were brought in front of this board in at some point in 23 and t or or

[Speaker 1] (1:13:13 - 1:13:14)
But I mean, we didn't draft them to

[Speaker 5] (1:13:14 - 1:13:14)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:14 - 1:13:15)
come up

[Speaker 5] (1:13:15 - 1:13:15)
no, no.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:15 - 1:13:15)
with them.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:15 - 1:13:15)
We didn't

[Speaker 1] (1:13:15 - 1:13:16)
Like they were suggestions

[Speaker 5] (1:13:16 - 1:13:16)
draft them, but we

[Speaker 1] (1:13:16 - 1:13:16)
from

[Speaker 5] (1:13:16 - 1:13:16)
did we

[Speaker 1] (1:13:16 - 1:13:17)
people who

[Speaker 5] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
did

[Speaker 1] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
knew

[Speaker 5] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
bless

[Speaker 1] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
more

[Speaker 5] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
them.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:17 - 1:13:18)
than we did,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:18 - 1:13:19)
is what I'm trying to say.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:19 - 1:13:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:19 - 1:13:22)
And I mean, that's the whole reason you guys exist,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:22 - 1:13:23)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:13:23 - 1:13:25)
Is because we don't have we,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:25 - 1:13:31)
we, we weren't and we don't have the ability to go through the hundreds of thousands of pages that y'all are going through on a regular basis.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:32 - 1:13:37)
And it wouldn't be prudent for us to tell you what your goals should be without

[Speaker 1] (1:13:37 - 1:13:39)
to be without doing that, you guys are doing that.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:40 - 1:13:59)
So my suggestion would be then for you guys to go ahead and realign new goals and then come to a conclusion as a committee of what those goals are and then report back to us either through David or through us that you're set and this is the direction you think you wanna go in and we can have another public discussion about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:00 - 1:14:01)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:14:01 - 1:14:15)
I think what we need, what I think the committee needs because we spend so much time discussing whether we have the authority to review the draft from Kleinfeld or King's Beach or whatever, or whether we can only review the finished product,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:15 - 1:14:19)
I think we need clarification on what review means.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:21 - 1:14:24)
And I'm going to say it straight out, if...

[Speaker 7] (1:14:25 - 1:14:25)
You know, if you want

[Speaker 1] (1:14:25 - 1:14:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
if it

[Speaker 1] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
these

[Speaker 7] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
is

[Speaker 1] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
six

[Speaker 7] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
a single

[Speaker 1] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
-month

[Speaker 7] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
one,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:27 - 1:14:27)
reports.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:27 - 1:14:29)
there is no question whatsoever that that's

[Speaker 1] (1:14:29 - 1:14:30)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
it.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
these six

[Speaker 7] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
a single

[Speaker 1] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
-month

[Speaker 7] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
one,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:30 - 1:14:31)
reports.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:31 - 1:14:32)
there is no question whatsoever that

[Speaker 7] (1:14:33 - 1:14:34)
that's something that I can address with

[Speaker 1] (1:14:34 - 1:14:34)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:34 - 1:14:34)
the EO

[Speaker 1] (1:14:34 - 1:14:35)
great.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:35 - 1:14:37)
and like you like one hundred percent.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:37 - 1:14:38)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:14:38 - 1:14:38)
I Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:38 - 1:14:38)
just

[Speaker 7] (1:14:38 - 1:14:39)
just wanted to address the distinction

[Speaker 1] (1:14:39 - 1:14:39)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:39 - 1:14:42)
that distinguishes what the past versus the future.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
For sure.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:42 - 1:14:48)
It is the six month absolutely they it's part of our contract with them for engineering services we decide that not them.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:48 - 1:14:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:48 - 1:14:48)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:48 - 1:14:50)
Yeah, so just to that effect,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:50 - 1:14:51)
Mr.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:51 - 1:14:55)
Drummond, how long would the water-sewer infrastructure advisory committee need?

[Speaker 5] (1:14:55 - 1:15:01)
To review a draft, I mean how much time would you need, how many meetings would need to be held, you know

[Speaker 2] (1:15:01 - 1:15:09)
So so the the way we did it this time each member you know got this six-month report on Friday.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:10 - 1:15:19)
And we had to individually give comments to Gino by Wednesday. And then Gino decided that's that's the way we did it this past.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:21 - 1:15:22)
week.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:22 - 1:15:25)
So in an ideal world, how would how would you want to do it moving forward?

[Speaker 2] (1:15:28 - 1:15:31)
I think what we did this time was great, but in the ideal world,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:31 - 1:15:34)
I'd like to meet with them face to face.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
That's me.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:37 - 1:15:46)
Because they've got tables in there and they and they you know, I think there's so much more meat that should be in there.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:47 - 1:15:50)
I don't know if they'll do it or not, but you know if you

[Speaker 4] (1:15:50 - 1:16:01)
Well, do you communicate that with the head of D_P_W_ I mean if you're communicating that with the head of D_P_W_ why wouldn't the head of D_P_W_ just be communicating that with them?

[Speaker 2] (1:16:01 - 1:16:04)
Well I mean, but I mean you know we got it this time. We

[Speaker 4] (1:16:04 - 1:16:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:04 - 1:16:12)
had the review and and everything went to Gino, but you know if we d if we do face to face, well then that's really gotta be added into the work

[Speaker 2] (1:16:13 - 1:16:18)
quote that got to get worked up for these, you know, and they got to add so many hours to meet

[Speaker 1] (1:16:18 - 1:16:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:18 - 1:16:21)
with another committee. So it's really not in the current twenty twenty six

[Speaker 1] (1:16:22 - 1:16:22)
Cost structure.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:22 - 1:16:25)
cost structure of what they quoted on, and I understand that.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:25 - 1:16:28)
So I could work with Jean Okay, out to

[Speaker 1] (1:16:28 - 1:16:28)
great.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:28 - 1:16:29)
identi identify if

[Speaker 7] (1:16:30 - 1:16:34)
anything exists in the scope that it could allow for adjustment. Where

[Speaker 7] (1:16:35 - 1:16:38)
fewer meetings with this group means more ability and

[Speaker 7] (1:16:38 - 1:16:52)
resource to do the you know I don't mean this group I mean group A allows us to do what you're suggesting with a representative group of your committee I'm happy to go into more detail with Gino and to figure out what that looks like they don't think what's this

[Speaker 1] (1:16:52 - 1:16:53)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:53 - 1:17:02)
And I think, so I think we empower you to review the goals and to realign them.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:02 - 1:17:06)
I think that could easily be communicated back through David and if there are

[Speaker 1] (1:17:07 - 1:17:23)
You know red flags either something's missing or something I mean I leaned over during the presentation and I was reading the goals and I said wait weren't they originally created from water sewer rate advisory committee the rates aren't a part of the goal structure but that's something you guys have to accomplish for us right you guys still

[Speaker 2] (1:17:23 - 1:17:24)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:24 - 1:17:26)
say that so like

[Speaker 2] (1:17:26 - 1:17:31)
Well, and also, you know, summer before we did all the testing

[Speaker 1] (1:17:31 - 1:17:31)
testing

[Speaker 2] (1:17:31 - 1:17:32)
at all the beaches,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:32 - 1:17:32)
Yep

[Speaker 2] (1:17:32 - 1:17:33)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:17:33 - 1:17:34)
That was...

[Speaker 2] (1:17:35 - 1:17:36)
The former chair and vice chair,

[Speaker 2] (1:17:36 - 1:17:38)
and that's not in any of these.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:38 - 1:17:38)
I,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:38 - 1:17:38)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:38 - 1:17:39)
Ryan,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:39 - 1:17:39)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:39 - 1:17:41)
it's like you knew I was going to ask that next.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
you

[Speaker 1] (1:17:41 - 1:17:42)
wanted

[Speaker 2] (1:17:42 - 1:17:42)
asked me.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:42 - 1:17:43)
to move

[Speaker 2] (1:17:43 - 1:17:44)
But on it should be because it's made

[Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:45)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:45 - 1:17:50)
I wanted to move on to the clarification on the role with Kingsbridge Steering Committee.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:51 - 1:17:52)
And then you guys have,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:53 - 1:17:56)
I mean, years past you've taken testing roles,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:56 - 1:18:00)
and you did not do that last year.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:01 - 1:18:02)
Did you?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:03 - 1:18:04)
Sort of?

[Speaker 6] (1:18:05 - 1:18:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:05 - 1:18:05)
So,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:05 - 1:18:07)
Well, I mean the Board of Health really did it.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:07 - 1:18:07)
but,

[Speaker 2] (1:18:07 - 1:18:07)
but

[Speaker 4] (1:18:07 - 1:18:08)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:08 - 1:18:09)
b your border health is,

[Speaker 6] (1:18:09 - 1:18:10)
So you...

[Speaker 2] (1:18:10 - 1:18:10)
but but

[Speaker 7] (1:18:10 - 1:18:10)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:10 - 1:18:23)
but I'm gonna say we did the King's speech U_V_ pilot testing, but then the we became half of we because you know the chair went Membership over.

[Speaker 7] (1:18:23 - 1:18:24)
changed.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:24 - 1:18:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:25 - 1:18:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:25 - 1:18:25)
But I just

[Speaker 2] (1:18:25 - 1:18:26)
we did the testing.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:26 - 1:18:27)
I guess we just

[Speaker 1] (1:18:27 - 1:18:31)
As a select board member and a citizen,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:31 - 1:18:34)
when things happen more than one year in a row,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:34 - 1:18:35)
there's an expectation built,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:35 - 1:18:36)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:36 - 1:18:39)
So if not you, then who is going to be my question.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:39 - 1:18:45)
So next year, not having any information about a...

[Speaker 1] (1:18:45 - 1:18:53)
for 30 secondary UV pilot what like what is happening with testing who is responsible for it it's not a goal that's listed here

[Speaker 7] (1:18:53 - 1:18:57)
It has been discussed by the DPW director in

[Speaker 1] (1:18:57 - 1:18:57)
yep

[Speaker 7] (1:18:57 - 1:18:58)
as part of the steering committee,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:58 - 1:18:59)
great okay

[Speaker 7] (1:18:59 - 1:19:07)
and the request I made was volunteer versus resources necessary to put together any request for resources that would be required.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:09 - 1:19:10)
Um,

[Speaker 5] (1:19:10 - 1:19:12)
Has that been reflected in our budget at

[Speaker 7] (1:19:12 - 1:19:13)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:19:13 - 1:19:13)
all?

[Speaker 7] (1:19:13 - 1:19:14)
haven't gotten a number yet, so no, it's not in the budget.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:14 - 1:19:14)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:14 - 1:19:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:16 - 1:19:24)
So then if the steering committee is going to handle it, then we should clarify how this committee is going to work in.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:27 - 1:19:33)
Well, but the steering committee is the City of Lynn, Lynn Wanderers Sewer, the King's Beach Steering Committee,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:33 - 1:19:33)
you

[Speaker 1] (1:19:33 - 1:19:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:34 - 1:19:36)
know, save,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:36 - 1:19:39)
save the harbour, save

[Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:40)
Every harbour, save the

[Speaker 2] (1:19:40 - 1:19:44)
you harbour. know, I don't think they're doing any, anything at Fisherman's Beach

[Speaker 1] (1:19:44 - 1:19:44)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:44 - 1:19:44)
or Rison

[Speaker 1] (1:19:44 - 1:19:44)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:44 - 1:19:45)
Beach or, you know,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:45 - 1:19:46)
Nope, of course not.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:46 - 1:19:47)
you know that that

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:48)
But at least

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:19:56)
For Kings, th there's there's testing on the Swamp's side, there's testing on the Loon side, or there's just testing it yeah, it's for the consent decree, right?

[Speaker 3] (1:19:57 - 1:19:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:58 - 1:20:05)
But basically they're asking should they have a should they have a liaison to the King's Beach Steering Committee, which they haven't historically.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:20:06 - 1:20:07)
Why are they just saying should they? Are they

[Speaker 4] (1:20:07 - 1:20:07)
They're saying

[Speaker 3] (1:20:07 - 1:20:07)
saying

[Speaker 1] (1:20:07 - 1:20:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:07 - 1:20:08)
is they're saying they want

[Speaker 3] (1:20:08 - 1:20:08)
they should?

[Speaker 4] (1:20:08 - 1:20:09)
they should. Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:09 - 1:20:09)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:09 - 1:20:10)
And I am what and I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
what

[Speaker 4] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
and I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
can we

[Speaker 4] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
agreeing.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:10 - 1:20:11)
do so

[Speaker 3] (1:20:11 - 1:20:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:11 - 1:20:12)
what leverage do we have to make that happen?

[Speaker 3] (1:20:13 - 1:20:14)
We just say it.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:14 - 1:20:15)
We say they do it they do it.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:15 - 1:20:15)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:15 - 1:20:15)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:16 - 1:20:17)
You're the select board, that's

[Speaker 3] (1:20:17 - 1:20:17)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:17 - 1:20:18)
leverage.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:18 - 1:20:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:19 - 1:20:19)
So,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:19 - 1:20:19)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:19 - 1:20:21)
I mean, I don't know why we haven't said it before, to be honest.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:21 - 1:20:22)
So I,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:22 - 1:20:23)
I don't think it came up really.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:23 - 1:20:28)
hate to be a lawyer, but do you mind voting on that at

[Speaker 1] (1:20:28 - 1:20:28)
Well.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:29 - 1:20:29)
What was it?

[Speaker 2] (1:20:29 - 1:20:29)
some point?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:32 - 1:20:33)
It's not posted in the agenda as

[Speaker 2] (1:20:33 - 1:20:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:33 - 1:20:34)
a vote, so I

[Speaker 4] (1:20:34 - 1:20:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:34 - 1:20:39)
don't know if I can take a p take uh entertain a vote, Brian, but we can certainly post it on a future agenda as

[Speaker 3] (1:20:39 - 1:20:39)
We could

[Speaker 1] (1:20:39 - 1:20:39)
a vote.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:39 - 1:20:41)
also give our opinion tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:42)
But but it's very clear

[Speaker 5] (1:20:42 - 1:20:42)
Yeah, that but

[Speaker 1] (1:20:42 - 1:20:42)
we're

[Speaker 5] (1:20:42 - 1:20:42)
it's not

[Speaker 1] (1:20:42 - 1:20:42)
not

[Speaker 5] (1:20:42 - 1:20:42)
a poll.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:42 - 1:20:42)
skating

[Speaker 3] (1:20:42 - 1:20:43)
Here's our opinion.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:43 - 1:20:44)
You have made your

[Speaker 1] (1:20:44 - 1:20:44)
counter-administrator.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:44 - 1:20:46)
opinion quite clear to me as the counter-administrator to

[Speaker 1] (1:20:46 - 1:20:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:46 - 1:20:47)
work with the Steering Committee to

[Speaker 1] (1:20:47 - 1:20:47)
There

[Speaker 5] (1:20:47 - 1:20:48)
figure

[Speaker 1] (1:20:48 - 1:20:48)
you go.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:48 - 1:20:48)
out membership.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:48 - 1:20:49)
Yeah, please.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:49 - 1:20:49)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:49 - 1:20:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:49 - 1:20:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:50 - 1:20:50)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:50 - 1:20:50)
Mm-hmm. How

[Speaker 1] (1:20:50 - 1:20:51)
Perfect.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:51 - 1:20:51)
does that work?

[Speaker 2] (1:20:51 - 1:20:52)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:52 - 1:20:54)
Great. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:20:55 - 1:21:03)
So then I guess the last remaining question is the direction, expectation, coordination for the coordination with SACWAR town administrator, DPW

[Speaker 2] (1:21:03 - 1:21:03)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (1:21:03 - 1:21:03)
council

[Speaker 2] (1:21:03 - 1:21:04)
think that's

[Speaker 1] (1:21:04 - 1:21:04)
first.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:04 - 1:21:04)
You can go

[Speaker 2] (1:21:04 - 1:21:04)
the key.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:04 - 1:21:08)
on council. Uh i if you can get it to me it would be reviewed by our council.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:09 - 1:21:12)
Okay, so I think we did that last year and I don't think we ever got a review.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
Uh

[Speaker 5] (1:21:13 - 1:21:18)
If it if it went to them and it hasn't significantly changed the review will be very quick this year,

[Speaker 5] (1:21:18 - 1:21:19)
if it didn't then we'll get we'll

[Speaker 2] (1:21:19 - 1:21:20)
It's

[Speaker 5] (1:21:20 - 1:21:20)
get a turned turnaround

[Speaker 2] (1:21:20 - 1:21:20)
out exactly

[Speaker 5] (1:21:20 - 1:21:20)
as quickly

[Speaker 2] (1:21:20 - 1:21:20)
changed.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:20 - 1:21:23)
as we can. It has significantly changed?

[Speaker 2] (1:21:23 - 1:21:24)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:25 - 1:21:25)
Yeah. So

[Speaker 3] (1:21:25 - 1:21:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:25 - 1:21:26)
right.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:26 - 1:21:27)
One thing that's really important.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:27 - 1:21:30)
I don't think the, I don't think the, I think there's red lines,

[Speaker 6] (1:21:30 - 1:21:38)
but I think they're in response to comments that were received last time and they're, they don't change, materially change the substantive requirements.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:38 - 1:21:43)
There's clarification in phrases that are clarifying, but it doesn't change the meat of it.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:44 - 1:21:45)
Great. I think our red line's helpful,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:45 - 1:21:47)
if KP's already reviewed it. So

[Speaker 3] (1:21:47 - 1:21:55)
Kelly, can you, do you have in your schedule there, do you have at least two, not at least, but do you have two public meetings so that people

[Speaker 6] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
We

[Speaker 3] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
can address

[Speaker 6] (1:21:55 - 1:21:56)
do have,

[Speaker 3] (1:21:56 - 1:21:56)
it?

[Speaker 6] (1:21:56 - 1:22:02)
we did, yes, we did already do, we did one public meeting, I think if I'm remembering correctly, last year on

[Speaker 3] (1:22:02 - 1:22:02)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:02 - 1:22:03)
this same thing.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:03 - 1:22:05)
But if you're going to have, if it's different,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:06 - 1:22:08)
could you have two public meetings?

[Speaker 3] (1:22:09 - 1:22:11)
between now and town Oh, meeting?

[Speaker 6] (1:22:11 - 1:22:14)
just to make it more accessible to just to make it easier for people?

[Speaker 2] (1:22:14 - 1:22:15)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:15 - 1:22:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:15 - 1:22:15)
by law.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:15 - 1:22:17)
just to make it really transparent.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:17 - 1:22:18)
Well, it's required.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:18 - 1:22:19)
It's required by law.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:19 - 1:22:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:19 - 1:22:20)
One is really

[Speaker 5] (1:22:20 - 1:22:21)
I think it's two.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:21 - 1:22:22)
good.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:23 - 1:22:23)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25)
So let's make sure we do that.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:25 - 1:22:25)
I'm not sure, but I think

[Speaker 1] (1:22:25 - 1:22:27)
I think all of us are.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:28 - 1:22:33)
Okay, I'll speak for myself. I think that there was support for the lateral bylaw to come through originally.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:33 - 1:22:38)
It was unforeseen circumstances that had it pulled originally,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:38 - 1:22:41)
and we are excited to see it back.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:41 - 1:22:50)
I think it will be helpful and so would like to see it come before us, Kelly.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:50 - 1:22:53)
So anything you need to support that in the committee needs.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:54 - 1:22:56)
It will help to strive to do that.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:56 - 1:22:56)
And

[Speaker 6] (1:22:56 - 1:23:03)
We'll probably will be voting on next Tuesday, March 10th, on the updated Rev 5,

[Speaker 6] (1:23:03 - 1:23:05)
so you should see it shortly thereafter.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:06 - 1:23:06)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:06 - 1:23:11)
I have a quick question. Have you done any work on the loss of water?

[Speaker 3] (1:23:11 - 1:23:16)
23% loss in water is over half a million dollars.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:17 - 1:23:18)
And There I just.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:18 - 1:23:25)
has been, one important consideration is that water meter inefficiencies,

[Speaker 6] (1:23:25 - 1:23:40)
older water meters tend to under report the readings. So it's possible that a good chunk of it is due to older water meters, which are already slated to be replaced in the coming years. So that's a.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:41 - 1:23:59)
possibility that there are other sources the tank has had did have a leak last year fire hydrant flushing there's lots of reasons why they're I think anecdotally

[Speaker 6] (1:24:00 - 1:24:15)
10% loss is super low like nobody ever achieves 10% loss so 23 is is higher than we want it to be but it's not wild relative to what other towns experience just on average

[Speaker 5] (1:24:16 - 1:24:22)
And to Kelly's point, it's in the capital plan for next year to begin the two-year process of replacing the meters,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:22 - 1:24:23)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:23 - 1:24:24)
the purchase and installation.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:25 - 1:24:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:25 - 1:24:41)
Um and then in addition, if I'm you can correct me if I'm wrong, but by law we have to be looking every other year for doing a survey for um, you know, like leaks and other things that could be in a main or something like that through with an outside consultant that D.P.W. works with. Is that correct?

[Speaker 5] (1:24:43 - 1:24:47)
It that's how it was described to me the way you were I thought there was a pregnant pause where you had more to add But when

[Speaker 1] (1:24:47 - 1:24:48)
Okay, let's

[Speaker 5] (1:24:48 - 1:24:48)
I asked

[Speaker 1] (1:24:48 - 1:24:48)
let Kelly

[Speaker 5] (1:24:48 - 1:24:48)
about this

[Speaker 1] (1:24:48 - 1:24:49)
speak.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:49 - 1:24:49)
earlier today

[Speaker 1] (1:24:49 - 1:24:49)
Oh, yes, maybe

[Speaker 5] (1:24:49 - 1:25:00)
that there's it's a two-year cycle We've actually been doing it every year to try to find it and it's sort of like it's not throwing a camera in every pipe It's listening and working

[Speaker 5] (1:25:00 - 1:25:06)
Through industry standards tried to identify it. So there's not like some smoking gun that's been found for that process

[Speaker 2] (1:25:06 - 1:25:10)
Right. But to me, one of the issues is that when we have a water main break.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:13 - 1:25:17)
Nobody estimates that I've seen how many gallons were lost,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:17 - 1:25:24)
you know, so somebody should take, you know, say it's been broken for a week and there's probably,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:24 - 1:25:34)
you know, there's nobody collecting those numbers. And there was a huge water main break down Precinct 6 where they were replacing the water mains.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:36 - 1:25:39)
And nobody saw it because it just...

[Speaker 2] (1:25:40 - 1:25:42)
one out the pipe and then out to the ocean.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:45 - 1:25:49)
And finally the town got a phone call from the MWRA.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:50 - 1:25:56)
And they said, hey, we're adding water to your tank more than normal,

[Speaker 2] (1:25:56 - 1:25:57)
you know, what's going on?

[Speaker 2] (1:25:58 - 1:26:04)
And so there's still no estimate of how much we lost in that event and then maybe

[Speaker 2] (1:26:05 - 1:26:16)
in capital improvement there needs to be you know a float in your cater and in the tank so we get the message that it's draining quickly and we should be doing something I don't know right

[Speaker 5] (1:26:16 - 1:26:17)
I was just sharing what I was able to learn.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:18 - 1:26:21)
This was submitted and trying to understand what process we do engage in.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:21 - 1:26:24)
So always opportunities to improve for sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:25 - 1:26:32)
but the question is where's where's the water going and if you could say well five percent of that went in this failure here it'd help

[Speaker 5] (1:26:32 - 1:26:33)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:33 - 1:26:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:34 - 1:26:34)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:34 - 1:26:45)
And that's really why you need that tracking software to be able to be able to take that asset management plan and make it and really create that that dynamic aspect that we're that that's lacking today.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:46 - 1:26:46)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:46 - 1:26:54)
And that pipe, my understanding of that pipe that failed down Precinct 6, it was, you know, the ring,

[Speaker 2] (1:26:54 - 1:26:55)
the ceiling ring.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:56 - 1:27:03)
Well then you look at your asset management plan and you say well how many other connections do we have like that that we should be looking at?

[Speaker 4] (1:27:03 - 1:27:12)
And and that was my next that was my next question was was the was the you know was that specific failure was that a red was that a yellow was that a green it

[Speaker 2] (1:27:12 - 1:27:13)
Yeah, I think it was green.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:14 - 1:27:14)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:27:14 - 1:27:14)
was a green

[Speaker 2] (1:27:14 - 1:27:16)
it will I don't really.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:16 - 1:27:16)
Green.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:18 - 1:27:20)
I'm just saying that that's why your asset management

[Speaker 2] (1:27:21 - 1:27:30)
plan is should be ongoing because when something green is red because it failed well then you make the other ones red

[Speaker 3] (1:27:30 - 1:27:30)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:27:30 - 1:27:30)
or

[Speaker 3] (1:27:30 - 1:27:30)
have a

[Speaker 2] (1:27:30 - 1:27:30)
yellow

[Speaker 3] (1:27:30 - 1:27:31)
quick question.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:31 - 1:27:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:32 - 1:27:39)
Who is it within the town that is looking at mass DEP for the applications of these grants?

[Speaker 3] (1:27:39 - 1:27:46)
Because the last grant, the grant that we received with asset management was written and coordinated with Ron Mendes.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:47 - 1:27:56)
um who was our treasure at the time. So who like what department looks for that?

[Speaker 5] (1:27:56 - 1:28:02)
As of right now, the D_P_W_ related ones are coming from Gino and his team. So I'd have to

[Speaker 1] (1:28:03 - 1:28:03)
Mm

[Speaker 5] (1:28:03 - 1:28:03)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:28:03 - 1:28:03)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:03 - 1:28:03)
don't have a

[Speaker 3] (1:28:03 - 1:28:03)
These

[Speaker 5] (1:28:03 - 1:28:04)
real

[Speaker 3] (1:28:04 - 1:28:04)
aren't

[Speaker 5] (1:28:04 - 1:28:04)
close

[Speaker 3] (1:28:04 - 1:28:04)
Marzi,

[Speaker 5] (1:28:04 - 1:28:04)
answer.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:04 - 1:28:06)
these aren't Marzi grants.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:06 - 1:28:11)
No, I mean the water infrastructure ones that we've applied for so far come out of Gino's shop. So it's

[Speaker 3] (1:28:11 - 1:28:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:11 - 1:28:14)
probably Mark that's working to coordinate it and highlight it.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:14 - 1:28:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:14 - 1:28:18)
Um but I don't have the direct answer for you. I can get it for sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:18 - 1:28:18)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:20 - 1:28:21)
I think it should be Patrick.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:22 - 1:28:24)
I think now that we've got Patrick his

[Speaker 1] (1:28:24 - 1:28:24)
I think

[Speaker 5] (1:28:24 - 1:28:24)
one

[Speaker 1] (1:28:24 - 1:28:25)
Patrick

[Speaker 5] (1:28:25 - 1:28:25)
job,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:25 - 1:28:26)
plenty to

[Speaker 5] (1:28:26 - 1:28:26)
we'd like

[Speaker 1] (1:28:26 - 1:28:26)
go.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:26 - 1:28:28)
to keep it at that for now.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:28 - 1:28:29)
make sure he sticks around

[Speaker 1] (1:28:31 - 1:28:32)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:32 - 1:28:33)
Kelly,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:33 - 1:28:35)
did you have anything you wanted to add before we close out?

[Speaker 1] (1:28:35 - 1:28:35)
No?

[Speaker 6] (1:28:36 - 1:28:40)
No, I think this was a really helpful discussion. I think that's all for me.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:40 - 1:28:41)
I appreciate it.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:41 - 1:28:44)
Well, before we close out, Madam Chairman,

[Speaker 3] (1:28:44 - 1:28:48)
one of the reasons why we ended up having this conversation

[Speaker 3] (1:28:49 - 1:29:14)
uh was around the size of the committee and adding people to the committee because we have people who are very active that wanted to be on this committee and I know I brought it up I think Danielle supported me at one or two meetings and I would just like to see two individuals added as alternates to this committee and I'd like to know what what do we need to do to do this.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:15 - 1:29:17)
The alternates will be on the

[Speaker 3] (1:29:17 - 1:29:17)
Next

[Speaker 1] (1:29:17 - 1:29:17)
agenda

[Speaker 3] (1:29:17 - 1:29:17)
agenda.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:17 - 1:29:19)
for next week for next meeting

[Speaker 2] (1:29:19 - 1:29:20)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:20 - 1:29:22)
So we will discuss that at next meeting.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:23 - 1:29:23)
Great. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:24 - 1:29:24)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:25 - 1:29:28)
When the committee s started we had four alternates.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:28 - 1:29:29)
Four alternates.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:29 - 1:29:30)
And how many do we have now?

[Speaker 3] (1:29:30 - 1:29:31)
Zero.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:31 - 1:29:32)
This is not what

[Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:32)
That

[Speaker 4] (1:29:32 - 1:29:33)
was noticed.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:33 - 1:29:33)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:34 - 1:29:34)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:29:34 - 1:29:35)
So we will we will

[Speaker 2] (1:29:35 - 1:29:35)
I'll

[Speaker 1] (1:29:35 - 1:29:35)
notice

[Speaker 2] (1:29:35 - 1:29:36)
tell you.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:36 - 1:29:39)
this for the next agenda and we will discuss it on the next agenda.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:40 - 1:29:41)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:42 - 1:29:48)
All right, we will move on to discussion and possible votes on the Hawthorne Reeves R_F_P_ responses.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:52 - 1:29:52)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:56 - 1:29:57)
Would you wanna just start?

[Speaker 5] (1:29:57 - 1:30:05)
So yeah, it we as we had shared previously, and I'll can dig it out, but I do not have handy the presentation we put up last time.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:06 - 1:30:09)
We had a group that included David Rich Valdacci,

[Speaker 6] (1:30:09 - 1:30:10)
You didn't

[Speaker 5] (1:30:10 - 1:30:10)
myself,

[Speaker 6] (1:30:10 - 1:30:10)
draw on it.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:10 - 1:30:11)
um and

[Speaker 7] (1:30:11 - 1:30:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:12 - 1:30:15)
Marzi that met with both proponents, reviewed and

[Speaker 6] (1:30:15 - 1:30:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:15 - 1:30:20)
scored the the proposals. We provided that to you all before the prior meeting.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:20 - 1:30:27)
It's a it was very close score between the two of them. I know you all had suggested that you wanted a little more time to deliberate and

[Speaker 5] (1:30:27 - 1:30:42)
uh also ultimately discussed here on what direction we would like to take. The only piece that I would sort of remind everyone from the procurement standpoint is the the decision is the most advantageous proposal that can be interpreted

[Speaker 5] (1:30:44 - 1:30:51)
however you would like really, but it's it's most advantageous. It doesn't lean one way or the other. It's uh something that you all can articulate as a body. So

[Speaker 1] (1:30:53 - 1:30:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:55 - 1:30:56)
I would like to start.

[Speaker 8] (1:30:57 - 1:30:59)
Well, I I first would like clarification.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:01 - 1:31:22)
Um the Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts was the gentleman Johnny Ray that was here earlier. I want to understand this million dollars that we previously thought or I previously thought, I'll speak for myself, um was an investment they were making to the building. Right? If that's how I read it, then now he's here today saying that's not the case.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:23 - 1:31:25)
So I really want to understand what exactly is the case.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:28 - 1:31:32)
Is he putting in are they consider are they going to put in a million dollars or no?

[Speaker 8] (1:31:33 - 1:31:36)
What what is the actual situation?

[Speaker 5] (1:31:36 - 1:31:37)
I think

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:39)
in the I mean we could read the business model

[Speaker 5] (1:31:39 - 1:31:39)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:39 - 1:31:40)
that they resubmitted.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:40 - 1:31:51)
I I was gonna say the the best direction I could give is to stay within the four corners of the page that they've submitted for both proposals and the follow-up information that we shared with each.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:52 - 1:31:59)
So it says that the capital expenditure for managed entities for year one is six hundred thousand.

[Speaker 9] (1:31:59 - 1:32:02)
Yeah. But in fairness,

[Speaker 9] (1:32:02 - 1:32:04)
in the response dated January 16,

[Speaker 9] (1:32:04 - 1:32:14)
2026, the respondents have secured a million dollar financing commitment from a local financial institution in support of the redevelopment and activation of the Swamp Sky Center for Performing Arts.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:14 - 1:32:16)
So that's where that million dollars came from.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:16 - 1:32:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:16 - 1:32:18)
In the revised information

[Speaker 1] (1:32:18 - 1:32:18)
Yeah, but hold

[Speaker 9] (1:32:18 - 1:32:18)
it...

[Speaker 1] (1:32:18 - 1:32:18)
on.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:19 - 1:32:19)
It's

[Speaker 8] (1:32:19 - 1:32:19)
Oh.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:19 - 1:32:20)
uh

[Speaker 8] (1:32:20 - 1:32:20)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:20 - 1:32:21)
Wait, go ahead, finish your

[Speaker 9] (1:32:21 - 1:32:21)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:21 - 1:32:21)
thought.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:21 - 1:32:24)
in the revised in the revised information it does say six hundred,

[Speaker 8] (1:32:24 - 1:32:25)
Oh?

[Speaker 9] (1:32:25 - 1:32:28)
so Danielle is not pulling a million dollars out of the air.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28)
No,

[Speaker 8] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28)
that's

[Speaker 1] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28)
no,

[Speaker 8] (1:32:28 - 1:32:28)
what I'm saying.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:28 - 1:32:35)
no, I don't think any I agree. Nobody pulled a million dollars out of the air, but I think what's important is the language. It says they've secured

[Speaker 1] (1:32:36 - 1:32:37)
a million dollars

[Speaker 9] (1:32:37 - 1:32:38)
Financing commitment to

[Speaker 1] (1:32:38 - 1:32:40)
financing commitment to support

[Speaker 9] (1:32:40 - 1:32:42)
To support the redevelopment and activation

[Speaker 1] (1:32:42 - 1:32:47)
So right so they could spend up to a million dollars. It doesn't say that they're going to spend a full million dollars.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:47 - 1:32:49)
But that's what they originally said.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:49 - 1:32:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:50 - 1:32:52)
But he came here tonight and said that's not the case.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:52 - 1:32:55)
And in these in the secondary submission that they provided,

[Speaker 9] (1:32:55 - 1:32:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:55 - 1:32:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:55 - 1:33:01)
they clarified that the capital expenditures for the building pro due to our conversation, I'm sure,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:01 - 1:33:18)
has been clarified to a commitment of six hundred thousand dollars in one year. Because obviously that million dollars that they're financing, they're going to utilise in other ways, in my opinion, based on what they provided. So they weren't just going to spend the whole million on capital improvements. I think

[Speaker 8] (1:33:18 - 1:33:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:18 - 1:33:19)
they're going to be using

[Speaker 8] (1:33:19 - 1:33:19)
M my

[Speaker 1] (1:33:19 - 1:33:19)
it for other

[Speaker 5] (1:33:19 - 1:33:19)
So,

[Speaker 8] (1:33:19 - 1:33:20)
concern

[Speaker 1] (1:33:20 - 1:33:20)
things.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:20 - 1:33:20)
the distinction I

[Speaker 8] (1:33:20 - 1:33:21)
with

[Speaker 5] (1:33:21 - 1:33:21)
would

[Speaker 8] (1:33:21 - 1:33:21)
this

[Speaker 5] (1:33:21 - 1:33:26)
just highlight is when they say activation, that could also mean the draw-down to start

[Speaker 5] (1:33:26 - 1:33:29)
Like you have no income at the beginning for any new business that type of thing.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:30 - 1:33:34)
My concern is this, the initial proposal said a million dollars.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:35 - 1:33:39)
When we asked for clarification, it's down to six hundred thousand. Right?

[Speaker 8] (1:33:39 - 1:33:42)
Would we have ever found that out had we not asked for that additional information?

[Speaker 8] (1:33:43 - 1:33:46)
Or would we have just been led to believe that they're putting in a million dollars?

[Speaker 8] (1:33:46 - 1:33:47)
Does the proposal

[Speaker 10] (1:33:47 - 1:33:47)
Does they the proposal

[Speaker 8] (1:33:47 - 1:33:48)
originally indicate that?

[Speaker 10] (1:33:48 - 1:33:53)
say a million dollars for infrastructure? Up to a million dollars. But it it says

[Speaker 1] (1:33:53 - 1:33:53)
Up to

[Speaker 10] (1:33:53 - 1:33:56)
up to it says a million dollars, but that's for

[Speaker 10] (1:33:57 - 1:33:59)
That's their working capital. That's

[Speaker 8] (1:33:59 - 1:33:59)
We

[Speaker 10] (1:33:59 - 1:33:59)
that's

[Speaker 8] (1:33:59 - 1:34:00)
don't know what that's for.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:00 - 1:34:01)
W it doesn't

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01)
Okay,

[Speaker 10] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01)
say it

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01)
let's read

[Speaker 10] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01)
doesn't

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:02)
it again.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:02 - 1:34:02)
say there.

[Speaker 9] (1:34:02 - 1:34:12)
It it it it says the respondents have secured a one million dollar financing commitment from a local financial institution in support of the redevelopment and activation of the Swamp Scott Center for the Performing Arts period.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:12 - 1:34:12)
Redevelopment.

[Speaker 9] (1:34:12 - 1:34:21)
Next sentence, all remaining development build out and operational expenditures will be funded directly by the respondent through its board and affiliated entities.

[Speaker 9] (1:34:21 - 1:34:24)
So no municipal financing or guarantees are being requested. So

[Speaker 1] (1:34:24 - 1:34:25)
Right. So

[Speaker 9] (1:34:25 - 1:34:25)
they

[Speaker 1] (1:34:25 - 1:34:25)
actually

[Speaker 9] (1:34:25 - 1:34:25)
do

[Speaker 1] (1:34:25 - 1:34:28)
that sentence means it's gonna they're investing more

[Speaker 9] (1:34:28 - 1:34:28)
in access.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:28 - 1:34:28)
than a million.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:28 - 1:34:29)
million dollars

[Speaker 5] (1:34:29 - 1:34:29)
another million

[Speaker 1] (1:34:29 - 1:34:29)
to

[Speaker 5] (1:34:29 - 1:34:30)
dollars.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:30 - 1:34:31)
activate and to redevelop

[Speaker 8] (1:34:31 - 1:34:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:32 - 1:34:32)
so

[Speaker 8] (1:34:32 - 1:34:34)
But that's not what they said tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:34 - 1:34:35)
that I mean from

[Speaker 5] (1:34:35 - 1:34:37)
I think tonight he said 600,000

[Speaker 9] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
In

[Speaker 5] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
for

[Speaker 9] (1:34:37 - 1:34:38)
capital? your, in your one.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:38 - 1:34:39)
the building.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:39 - 1:34:39)
In year one.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:39 - 1:34:40)
For capital.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:40 - 1:34:40)
For capital.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:40 - 1:34:46)
I'm not the one that came here and made the clarification statement, so that's what I'm questioning.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:46 - 1:34:47)
I didn't anticipate hearing that.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:47 - 1:34:48)
So,

[Speaker 9] (1:34:48 - 1:34:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:48 - 1:34:53)
you know, to me, I want to make sure we're getting the true story,

[Speaker 8] (1:34:54 - 1:34:54)
right,

[Speaker 8] (1:34:54 - 1:34:57)
and that we're making our determination based on fact.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:57 - 1:34:59)
And what we can reasonably expect to see,

[Speaker 8] (1:34:59 - 1:35:01)
right? Because that's gonna matter,

[Speaker 8] (1:35:02 - 1:35:03)
to me it does, right.

[Speaker 9] (1:35:03 - 1:35:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:03 - 1:35:03)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:35:03 - 1:35:03)
Of course.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:03 - 1:35:05)
you know.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:06 - 1:35:17)
I have concerns with both situations, right. I I have concerns with the whole thing, but that to me I I didn't anticipate hearing that. And for him to make that correction gives me pause.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:18 - 1:35:20)
That's all. I just wanna understand.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:20 - 1:35:40)
truly the real deal, what your goal is, an and with with the other proposal, the limited time proposal, that's pretty clear, right? I don't really there's not a lot of grey area there. Might not be the strongest thing, but it's it's clear. This to me is a little bit more fuzzy than that, and I wanna really understand what what we're looking at.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:41 - 1:35:43)
And then it's really gonna happen, to be honest.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:46 - 1:35:47)
That's just me.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:49 - 1:36:14)
So I'm looking at both of the proposals and especially after a meeting on Monday night I like both the proposals there are things I like more in one proposal versus another you know I like the fact that things are indoors versus outdoors three hundred thousand versus thirty thousand when I read it I don't read a million dollar investment in

[Speaker 10] (1:36:15 - 1:36:28)
capital investment whereas I read it that there's a million dollar backing which means that there's a million dollar backing so you're going to have more room for your payroll, your credit lining,

[Speaker 10] (1:36:28 - 1:36:43)
your bars, your set up, which is a a revolving a revolving type of account. The other thing is um the individual involved in this performing arts is an individual that has significant experience.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:44 - 1:36:53)
in performing arts. So that's what, that's what does make me feel, you know, pretty comfortable with that.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:53 - 1:36:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:53 - 1:37:01)
Then when I look at, you know, I look at the forecast that we received on projected revenues.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:02 - 1:37:24)
You know, you're also looking at 6.25% coming in on projected projected revenue. So if you look at that, you're looking at just short of $200,000 on food and beverage. So you have food and beverage and then you have $300,000 in the rent.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:25 - 1:37:28)
And whereas the other proposal had a lot of food trucks,

[Speaker 10] (1:37:28 - 1:37:36)
we don't make we don't make that food and beverage tax on food trucks. So, you know, is this a filler? It's 30 months.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:36 - 1:37:41)
You know, we do have financial issues. We are trying to get to a shovel ready project.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:42 - 1:37:44)
Is it a gamble to gamble either way?

[Speaker 10] (1:37:44 - 1:37:46)
I just feel like if we have to make a gamble,

[Speaker 10] (1:37:47 - 1:37:50)
you know, I have to lean more towards 300,000.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:50 - 1:37:52)
versus 30,000.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:53 - 1:37:54)
Could I just ask two things?

[Speaker 5] (1:37:55 - 1:37:58)
One, I think Doug was trying to talk at one point. So if he wants to unmute again,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:59 - 1:37:59)
Doug,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:59 - 1:38:00)
the second part.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:01 - 1:38:06)
Since it's been said a couple times, the thirty months, this is through the end of June of twenty eight. It

[Speaker 9] (1:38:06 - 1:38:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:06 - 1:38:06)
every month

[Speaker 1] (1:38:06 - 1:38:07)
Thirty

[Speaker 5] (1:38:07 - 1:38:07)
that goes

[Speaker 1] (1:38:07 - 1:38:07)
months.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:07 - 1:38:07)
by,

[Speaker 8] (1:38:07 - 1:38:07)
We're

[Speaker 5] (1:38:07 - 1:38:07)
it

[Speaker 9] (1:38:07 - 1:38:07)
Not

[Speaker 5] (1:38:07 - 1:38:08)
gets even shorter.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
at thirty months, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
I know.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:08 - 1:38:09)
Every month that goes by

[Speaker 1] (1:38:09 - 1:38:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:38:09 - 1:38:09)
it gets shorter.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:09 - 1:38:10)
I want to clarify that

[Speaker 5] (1:38:10 - 1:38:10)
Someone

[Speaker 1] (1:38:10 - 1:38:10)
we're

[Speaker 5] (1:38:10 - 1:38:11)
had said that earlier.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:11 - 1:38:11)
Twenty seven.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:11 - 1:38:13)
It it starts whenever

[Speaker 1] (1:38:13 - 1:38:13)
It

[Speaker 5] (1:38:13 - 1:38:13)
we're

[Speaker 1] (1:38:13 - 1:38:13)
doesn't

[Speaker 5] (1:38:13 - 1:38:14)
able to

[Speaker 1] (1:38:14 - 1:38:14)
start

[Speaker 5] (1:38:14 - 1:38:14)
get that some money.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:14 - 1:38:16)
when the lease starts. We only got we only

[Speaker 5] (1:38:16 - 1:38:16)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:38:16 - 1:38:16)
received

[Speaker 5] (1:38:16 - 1:38:16)
authorization

[Speaker 1] (1:38:16 - 1:38:16)
the authorisation

[Speaker 5] (1:38:16 - 1:38:17)
expires

[Speaker 1] (1:38:17 - 1:38:18)
from town meeting

[Speaker 5] (1:38:18 - 1:38:18)
end of this

[Speaker 1] (1:38:18 - 1:38:24)
for thirty months from the vote that was taken at town meeting. So that time is already

[Speaker 8] (1:38:25 - 1:38:25)
Can

[Speaker 10] (1:38:25 - 1:38:25)
When chicken.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:25 - 1:38:25)
you

[Speaker 5] (1:38:26 - 1:38:28)
And it's infilled June thirtieth of twenty eight. It w

[Speaker 8] (1:38:28 - 1:38:28)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:28 - 1:38:29)
it was a little

[Speaker 8] (1:38:29 - 1:38:29)
So more twenty

[Speaker 5] (1:38:29 - 1:38:29)
than seven pretty months

[Speaker 8] (1:38:29 - 1:38:30)
months

[Speaker 5] (1:38:30 - 1:38:30)
at

[Speaker 8] (1:38:30 - 1:38:30)
really.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:30 - 1:38:30)
the time we voted because

[Speaker 8] (1:38:30 - 1:38:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:31 - 1:38:33)
it happened in December, but it

[Speaker 8] (1:38:33 - 1:38:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:33 - 1:38:34)
it ends at the end of

[Speaker 8] (1:38:34 - 1:38:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:34 - 1:38:35)
twenty eighteen.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:35 - 1:38:42)
And just to a and just to a point that Mary Ellen made um just about the uh the F_M_B_ So it's seventy five basis points on

[Speaker 9] (1:38:43 - 1:39:03)
um on the F&B. So looking at that that's to the that that's the town share. So looking at the projected revenues for Maria's and the Dorie restaurant, they're projecting three million dollars in sales in year one that would be, you know, at seventy five basis points it would be about twenty two thousand five hundred dollars um to the town.

[Speaker 9] (1:39:04 - 1:39:07)
So that's the that's the bet that's the benefit so it's

[Speaker 1] (1:39:07 - 1:39:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:39:07 - 1:39:09)
not it's not 200, but it's it's

[Speaker 8] (1:39:09 - 1:39:09)
It's

[Speaker 9] (1:39:09 - 1:39:09)
22.

[Speaker 8] (1:39:09 - 1:39:10)
it's something in her

[Speaker 9] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10)
It's

[Speaker 8] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10)
agenda.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:39:10 - 1:39:12)
22.5. It it is.

[Speaker 9] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:23)
So just to that effect, um you know we did hear from a from a business owner on you know on Humphrey Street um you know I I do think that um

[Speaker 1] (1:39:25 - 1:39:51)
Well, I do think I I like the limited time uh only proposal because it is limited uh in time, limited in scope, uh it is going to benefit I believe local businesses by bringing them in in really having uh you know having that center that synergy between um what is gonna happen at the Hawthorne site and I like the ability for for us to try a number of things that

[Speaker 1] (1:39:52 - 1:39:53)
Maybe we'll work, maybe we won't.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:54 - 1:40:12)
You know, we don't know. We're gonna we're gonna see what we're gonna see what happens uh if that if that is chosen. But I like the way that this is activating the space for as many of our fifteen thousand residents and uh and the region as possible. You know, there are going to be uh you know we're gonna be able to draw folks in from

[Speaker 1] (1:40:13 - 1:40:22)
You know from all walks of life, this isn't just gonna be uh you know a dinner theatre um you know or a breakfast spot, this is gonna be something that is gonna

[Speaker 3] (1:40:22 - 1:40:22)
happen But that was just

[Speaker 4] (1:40:23 - 1:40:23)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:40:23 - 1:40:23)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:40:23 - 1:40:23)
a demo?

[Speaker 4] (1:40:23 - 1:40:32)
it was a I mean I d I don't know how close we are to what's noticed, take just to put that back out there, but um there was a plug that was put in by the

[Speaker 3] (1:40:32 - 1:40:33)
The

[Speaker 4] (1:40:33 - 1:40:33)
former

[Speaker 3] (1:40:33 - 1:40:33)
budget was

[Speaker 4] (1:40:33 - 1:40:33)
bar

[Speaker 3] (1:40:33 - 1:40:33)
noticed.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:33 - 1:40:34)
administrator. Hmm?

[Speaker 3] (1:40:34 - 1:40:35)
The budget was noticed.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:36 - 1:40:36)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:40:36 - 1:40:36)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:36 - 1:40:36)
you try the McNamara.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:36 - 1:40:51)
you're right. But that was a plug that's been in there for a couple of years that it could have been that it was to repave a portion, it could have been demolition, it could have there's always the oper or not opportunity, there's always the risk um that there is more asbestos or something

[Speaker 5] (1:40:51 - 1:40:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:51 - 1:40:53)
that requires more mitigation. But

[Speaker 4] (1:40:54 - 1:41:07)
Uh you know, these are the among the same folks in you know Mr. Watson knows this that our D_P_W_ director and Rich would have uh our building commissioner would have reached out to when I was walking around last two days saying like how do we dial in a number?

[Speaker 6] (1:41:07 - 1:41:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:08 - 1:41:16)
Uh so the the only real unknown is the amount of uh material that needs to be mitigated for whatever reason. Um

[Speaker 4] (1:41:16 - 1:41:33)
And that's something that we would find on site. I think it's mentioned in one of these discussion one of these proposals. Some of it is tested there. Something like asbestos, we would be able to walk around and mitigate in advance and have a price in advance probably, but um they also encourage actually testing everything instead of leaving s the site to make sure there's not something that's unknown.

[Speaker 7] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:41:33 - 1:41:37)
I think in light of what we heard Monday night um

[Speaker 8] (1:41:37 - 1:41:51)
We absolutely have to make sure that the numbers that we have in place, the placeholders or not, are not based on, you know, fictitious dollars and we have to be as close to accurate dollars as possible.

[Speaker 8] (1:41:51 - 1:42:00)
Here we are looking at a capital plan where there's a two million dollar placeholder when in actuality the cost is probably twenty five percent of that, right?

[Speaker 8] (1:42:00 - 1:42:05)
So how are we accurately looking at our long term three and five year plan?

[Speaker 8] (1:42:05 - 1:42:07)
plan if we don't even have accurate numbers represented there.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:07 - 1:42:11)
So to me that, you know, either one of these,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:11 - 1:42:13)
let me say this,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:13 - 1:42:16)
these two proposals are perfectly fine.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:17 - 1:42:22)
I think we have absolutely no choice, but whichever one we pick, if we pick one,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:22 - 1:42:25)
we also have to then immediately implement

[Speaker 8] (1:42:26 - 1:42:32)
either an RFP or whatever it is for the long-term plan for that site,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:32 - 1:42:34)
including demolition of that building.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:34 - 1:42:36)
I just don't think...

[Speaker 8] (1:42:37 - 1:42:38)
To Mr. Watson's point,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:38 - 1:42:44)
we have the time to sit and wait until 27 months expire to then revisit and come back here and say,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:44 - 1:42:45)
okay,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:45 - 1:42:48)
so now let's plan to take down this building and do what we need to do.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:48 - 1:42:50)
We're paying, what is it,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:50 - 1:42:54)
$50,000, $60,000 a month on this piece of property for how many months?

[Speaker 8] (1:42:54 - 1:42:57)
How long have we had it? What, two,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:57 - 1:42:57)
three, four years?

[Speaker 8] (1:42:58 - 1:43:04)
I mean, at the same time we're talking about raising taxes close to $1,000 per household.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:04 - 1:43:05)
It's ludicrous, right?

[Speaker 8] (1:43:06 - 1:43:08)
So whichever one we go with,

[Speaker 8] (1:43:08 - 1:43:10)
I think at the same time, simultaneously,

[Speaker 8] (1:43:10 - 1:43:15)
we absolutely have got to get going on what the long-term plan is there.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:15 - 1:43:26)
And to me, that long-term plan is taking down that building and getting an RFP out and getting this done because I don't think we can afford to just sit on it and wait any longer than we already are.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:26 - 1:43:27)
You know.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:27 - 1:43:33)
So, I will say I have gone through the many stages of grief related to the Hawthorne purchase,

[Speaker 9] (1:43:33 - 1:43:40)
and just being very honest about it, because I get why we bought it, we wanted to really,

[Speaker 9] (1:43:40 - 1:43:41)
to me it all blows down to control.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:42 - 1:43:49)
We wanted to have control over what happened to it, we wanted to have control over what we were going to do with it, or what somebody else could do with it.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:49 - 1:43:52)
And so was it worth it for $7 million?

[Speaker 9] (1:43:52 - 1:43:54)
I think yes, it was.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:54 - 1:44:00)
But we absolutely unequivocally have to.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:01 - 1:44:04)
As soon, if one of these is chosen,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:04 - 1:44:05)
the ink is dry on the lease,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:05 - 1:44:09)
we need to get to an RFP and RFI for the redevelopment of that property,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:09 - 1:44:13)
which very well may include demolition of that building.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:13 - 1:44:16)
And I mean, I actually thought about like.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:18 - 1:44:20)
Should we demolish the building right now,

[Speaker 8] (1:44:20 - 1:44:20)
Mm

[Speaker 9] (1:44:20 - 1:44:20)
David?

[Speaker 8] (1:44:20 - 1:44:20)
-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:20 - 1:44:21)
I mean,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:21 - 1:44:22)
I thought, okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:22 - 1:44:24)
so we don't have $500,000.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:24 - 1:44:28)
So even if we went out tomorrow for RFP to redevelop based on demolition,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:29 - 1:44:32)
by the time you went through the RFP development,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:32 - 1:44:33)
the responses,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:33 - 1:44:35)
getting an LDA in place,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:36 - 1:44:37)
having a due diligence period,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:37 - 1:44:39)
and then then taking down the building,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:39 - 1:44:41)
you're probably at the end of this lease.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:42 - 1:44:46)
So it doesn't really make sense to me not to choose one. Because I was like...

[Speaker 9] (1:44:48 - 1:44:50)
Why would we do this? Let's just take down the building.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:51 - 1:44:56)
Let's do like maybe there's a lot move or something like that, but we don't have $500,000 to take down the building,

[Speaker 9] (1:44:56 - 1:44:58)
even if it's $500,000, even if it's $200,000.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:59 - 1:45:00)
So to me it says,

[Speaker 9] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:45:01 - 1:45:04)
we've been very publicly honest about this.

[Speaker 9] (1:45:05 - 1:45:13)
You guys are there for that period of time, you know, till June of 28 and we're going to have somebody waiting in the wings.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:13 - 1:45:13)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:45:13 - 1:45:18)
And we are coming up with a plan, whether it includes that building or not,

[Speaker 9] (1:45:18 - 1:45:25)
and we're moving on from this. This has become like a thorn in our side, which was supposed to be the jewel of the town.

[Speaker 9] (1:45:25 - 1:45:29)
And we have to be able to execute the plan and move forward.

[Speaker 9] (1:45:29 - 1:45:33)
I think demolition is possible.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:33 - 1:45:34)
If it's awarded.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:35 - 1:45:37)
we would have them in, whoever,

[Speaker 4] (1:45:38 - 1:45:44)
immediately to look at it and they could conceivably, to the point you all are making, say thanks.

[Speaker 10] (1:45:44 - 1:45:44)
What?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:44 - 1:45:49)
But the model that we gave you, when we walked around, it was rose-coloured glasses.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:49 - 1:45:50)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:50 - 1:45:51)
Looking at it now it's different.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:51 - 1:45:52)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:52 - 1:46:02)
That's entirely possible, but it is an opportunity where we move from we're talking about proposals to someone's in there and looking at it and saying we can get this done, we're gonna get it done, or

[Speaker 4] (1:46:03 - 1:46:03)
Whatever.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:03 - 1:46:05)
Uh you know, that that

[Speaker 8] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
So we

[Speaker 4] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
window

[Speaker 8] (1:46:05 - 1:46:07)
take on that risk, right? That risk is there.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:07 - 1:46:08)
Of them walking.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:08 - 1:46:09)
Of th correct.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:09 - 1:46:10)
Of course, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:10 - 1:46:16)
Instead of going with one where we don't have as much risk, right, but we're still getting something, right? That's the offset.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:16 - 1:46:17)
I think the risk exists for both

[Speaker 9] (1:46:17 - 1:46:17)
I think

[Speaker 4] (1:46:17 - 1:46:17)
to

[Speaker 9] (1:46:17 - 1:46:17)
there,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:17 - 1:46:18)
get inside

[Speaker 9] (1:46:18 - 1:46:18)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:18 - 1:46:18)
again

[Speaker 8] (1:46:18 - 1:46:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:18 - 1:46:19)
and see

[Speaker 9] (1:46:19 - 1:46:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:19 - 1:46:19)
it and say

[Speaker 9] (1:46:19 - 1:46:19)
sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:20 - 1:46:21)
But

[Speaker 8] (1:46:21 - 1:46:27)
I'm just thinking food and beverage revenue, from a kitchen risk, right. If one is utilizing it and one is not, that's a different situation.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:27 - 1:46:27)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:27 - 1:46:29)
I was just saying tactically the

[Speaker 8] (1:46:29 - 1:46:29)
building Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:29 - 1:46:30)
itself, you get in there, it's

[Speaker 8] (1:46:30 - 1:46:31)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:46:31 - 1:46:31)
a different

[Speaker 8] (1:46:31 - 1:46:31)
too.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:31 - 1:46:34)
conversation once we've had it awarded and we're in that discussion

[Speaker 8] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:34 - 1:46:36)
of, you know, final terms,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:36 - 1:46:36)
but

[Speaker 8] (1:46:36 - 1:46:37)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:37 - 1:46:38)
we've already laid out the draft.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:38 - 1:46:43)
That's when we would be back, you know, someone would have more access to get in and go see it.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:43 - 1:46:53)
As part of the RFP we had any time that week it was we again just to give a little more background for everyone originally we said there's going to be like one time two hours come in and see it.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:53 - 1:46:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:53 - 1:47:04)
Instead what we said to them all and it was first addendum we're going to have a whole week just call Marzi's office we will get you in between Max myself and Marzi at any point over these five days you

[Speaker 8] (1:47:04 - 1:47:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:04 - 1:47:09)
know and so that was their opportunity to go in and folks could have taken advantage of that to say I'm going to go in two or three times.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:09 - 1:47:13)
times. Instead, each group went in and had, you know, varying

[Speaker 8] (1:47:14 - 1:47:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:14 - 1:47:16)
um amounts of time that they spent within the building.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:17 - 1:47:25)
But it's an act of procurement, so at that point that was your opportunity, you had questions that were developed out of that visit n that we answered or, you know

[Speaker 8] (1:47:25 - 1:47:25)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:25 - 1:47:28)
were were not submitted to us, and that's sort of where we are now.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:29 - 1:47:33)
But I also think it's I also think as we're talking about food and beverage revenue,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:33 - 1:47:41)
I think it's important to say, you know, that that the food trucks were a part of the limited limited time only presentation. I'm not trying to speak for you, Mr.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:41 - 1:47:42)
Mr.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
Kalahar,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:42 - 1:47:47)
but I'm just going after and recalling, you know, our conversation from several weeks ago.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:48 - 1:47:54)
And, you know, you did indicate that, you know, there there would be there would be some synergies with the local restaurants.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:54 - 1:47:55)
So

[Speaker 8] (1:47:55 - 1:47:55)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:47:55 - 1:47:55)
That's what he

[Speaker 1] (1:47:55 - 1:47:55)
so

[Speaker 9] (1:47:55 - 1:47:56)
just said he

[Speaker 1] (1:47:56 - 1:47:56)
with.

[Speaker 9] (1:47:56 - 1:47:56)
really just reported.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:56 - 1:47:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:57 - 1:47:57)
To

[Speaker 9] (1:47:57 - 1:47:57)
According.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:57 - 1:47:57)
me. Yeah, so so

[Speaker 9] (1:47:57 - 1:47:58)
Maybe you

[Speaker 1] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58)
with

[Speaker 9] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58)
could preface

[Speaker 1] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58)
yes,

[Speaker 9] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58)
your

[Speaker 1] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58)
so with

[Speaker 9] (1:47:58 - 1:47:59)
presentation.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:59 - 1:48:02)
that I think there's the ability to generate additional food

[Speaker 9] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
and

[Speaker 9] (1:48:02 - 1:48:02)
think,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:02 - 1:48:10)
beverage revenue over that over and above that baseline that we have in addition to what the you know what the what the brewery what the

[Speaker 4] (1:48:10 - 1:48:10)
It

[Speaker 1] (1:48:10 - 1:48:10)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:48:10 - 1:48:11)
well,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:11 - 1:48:11)
tap

[Speaker 9] (1:48:11 - 1:48:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:11 - 1:48:11)
room generates

[Speaker 9] (1:48:11 - 1:48:11)
it wait,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:11 - 1:48:12)
no, no hold on

[Speaker 9] (1:48:12 - 1:48:13)
wait, wait, wait, let's not engage.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:13 - 1:48:14)
No

[Speaker 9] (1:48:14 - 1:48:14)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:48:14 - 1:48:14)
problem.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:14 - 1:48:15)
Doug is

[Speaker 4] (1:48:15 - 1:48:15)
Sorry

[Speaker 9] (1:48:15 - 1:48:20)
on the, is, Doug, if you could go ahead and make comment because I know you're constrained.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:23 - 1:48:24)
Maybe he just, yeah,

[Speaker 12] (1:48:24 - 1:48:26)
He did send the final message.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:26 - 1:48:27)
No.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:27 - 1:48:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:27 - 1:48:28)
Yeah, no.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:28 - 1:48:29)
He's got to unmute himself.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:32 - 1:48:33)
Is he there?

[Speaker 9] (1:48:33 - 1:48:34)
Right, here he is.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:34 - 1:48:34)
Can you hear me now?

[Speaker 9] (1:48:34 - 1:48:35)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:36 - 1:48:36)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 9] (1:48:37 - 1:48:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:37 - 1:48:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:38 - 1:48:40)
I'll just state it for the record briefly.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:40 - 1:48:46)
For all the reasons that Katie and Mary Ellen have stated, I'm in favor of the Swamp Scouts Center for the Performing Arts.

[Speaker 13] (1:48:47 - 1:48:55)
And I totally agree with Danielle that we should immediately commence if that is the way we go with the long term planning.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:55 - 1:48:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:58 - 1:48:58)
Thanks.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:58 - 1:48:59)
Thanks, Doug.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:59 - 1:48:59)
Thanks, Doug.

[Speaker 9] (1:49:00 - 1:49:01)
Doug's on an airplane,

[Speaker 9] (1:49:01 - 1:49:03)
so that's why he's short today.

[Speaker 9] (1:49:03 - 1:49:04)
He's not normally that brief.

[Speaker 9] (1:49:06 - 1:49:06)
No offense.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:08 - 1:49:08)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:09 - 1:49:10)
all right. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:10 - 1:49:15)
I mean, I think we've all brought up some valid points. There's risks for both processes.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:15 - 1:49:17)
There's risks for the third process,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:17 - 1:49:20)
which we've talked about. I think I've gotten myself.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:48)
committed in my mind that having nothing happen is not the answer we ask town meeting for the ability to be able to do this we should try to see if we can execute doing this but at the same time we committed to town meeting and we commit here again all of us have committed to immediately moving forward with a long-term project here so that we can you know really solidify the fact that this is a limited time offer and we

[Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:49:52)
we are going to be proposing something permanent. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:49:54 - 1:49:57)
I mean if does anybody else have additional comments before we move to vote?

[Speaker 2] (1:49:57 - 1:50:06)
I I just want to say we really you know I just want to be sure because we really don't need to pick either one if we really

[Speaker 2] (1:50:07 - 1:50:18)
Think about this, like we don't need to award it just to award it because we said we were going to, we said we were going to see what we would get and see if it made logical sense.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:19 - 1:50:23)
In no offense to either one of these organizations,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:24 - 1:50:27)
but these are not the strongest proposals we've ever seen.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:27 - 1:50:30)
And just because we said we were going to pick one doesn't mean we have to.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:31 - 1:50:43)
Right, and there is a third option to David's point and I just I don't think we focused enough on it. I think we're really stuck on having to pick one or the other here and I just I'm not sure it's the right play. I'm really not.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:43 - 1:50:45)
And I think I th if I can

[Speaker 4] (1:50:45 - 1:50:45)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:50:45 - 1:50:45)
and I

[Speaker 4] (1:50:45 - 1:50:46)
the think closing.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:46 - 1:50:47)
we was that Doug?

[Speaker 1] (1:50:47 - 1:50:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:48 - 1:50:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:48 - 1:50:54)
I think I think we have a great opportunity here. We have a short window to to

[Speaker 3] (1:50:55 - 1:51:04)
bring in some revenue while we're getting a project ready for shovel shovel ready and I do think that both of these both of these

[Speaker 3] (1:51:05 - 1:51:07)
proposals are good proposals.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:07 - 1:51:09)
I do think one is better than the other.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:10 - 1:51:15)
On limited times the concerns that I have is outdoor entertainment and how that affects the neighborhood.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:16 - 1:51:22)
With the the performance center it's indoors it's three hundred thousand dollars.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:22 - 1:51:31)
I think if there's risk that something's not going to work out there's a 30-year window 30-day window to come out with the lease but

[Speaker 3] (1:51:31 - 1:51:39)
To miss out on an opportunity to make some additional money in there while we get to a shovel ready project,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:39 - 1:51:45)
I personally feel that taking that step is in the best interest of the community.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:51:49)
Yeah, and Danielle,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:49 - 1:51:49)
just to reiterate,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:49 - 1:51:51)
because I don't disagree with you,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:51 - 1:51:56)
I think, like I said, I had to go through the many logics of this process before I got to this conclusion.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:56 - 1:52:00)
But even if we decided not to go with any of these,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:00 - 1:52:03)
we would be carrying costs for this building,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:03 - 1:52:03)
electricity,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:05)
heat,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:05 - 1:52:06)
safety.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:08 - 1:52:36)
of having a vacant building for likely at least 18 months if I think about how the Hadley happened right and we put it out for our RFP that we knew what was going to happen at the Hadley we knew it was a hotel but say we'll presuppose we know what's going to happen here say we want the building down it's going to be 20% park 30% parking 50% development and that's the RFP that goes out tomorrow by the time that goes out gets answered gets reviewed

[Speaker 1] (1:52:37 - 1:52:38)
We pick a winner,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:38 - 1:52:41)
we work on an LDA with their council,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:41 - 1:52:47)
they go through a due diligence period, maybe even a finance contingency period.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:48 - 1:52:49)
They are not taking down a building.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:50 - 1:52:54)
I would say the fastest is 18 months. I'm happy to be wrong,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:54 - 1:52:54)
but like...

[Speaker 2] (1:52:55 - 1:52:58)
And do we not have the option to just take it down ourselves?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:58 - 1:53:00)
I mean, of course we have the option,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:00 - 1:53:00)
we own it,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:01 - 1:53:03)
but we'd have to find the funds to do it.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:03 - 1:53:04)
But again,

[Speaker 2] (1:53:04 - 1:53:07)
we're looking at far less funds than we thought we were two weeks ago,

[Speaker 2] (1:53:07 - 1:53:08)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:53:08 - 1:53:17)
We thought we were looking at $2 million because that's what was earmarked in capital when in reality we have two estimates in front of us showing $295,000.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:17 - 1:53:18)
But I, but it's...

[Speaker 3] (1:53:18 - 1:53:21)
This estimate also shows non-union labor.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21)
I don't...

[Speaker 3] (1:53:22 - 1:53:26)
This is very nice, these estimates, but unless we're getting an estimate from the town,

[Speaker 5] (1:53:26 - 1:53:26)
It's also prevailing

[Speaker 3] (1:53:26 - 1:53:28)
I would rather s I would rather see

[Speaker 5] (1:53:28 - 1:53:29)
It's also prevailing wage

[Speaker 1] (1:53:29 - 1:53:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:29 - 1:53:29)
estimates.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:29 - 1:53:30)
it's

[Speaker 1] (1:53:30 - 1:53:30)
So can't

[Speaker 3] (1:53:30 - 1:53:31)
it w it's right here, non-leader.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:31 - 1:53:32)
Okay, let's not

[Speaker 2] (1:53:32 - 1:53:32)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (1:53:32 - 1:53:32)
go

[Speaker 2] (1:53:32 - 1:53:38)
we But even if we wanted to get an e why I mean why wouldn't we wait to get one then? And at our own

[Speaker 5] (1:53:38 - 1:53:39)
I think we've

[Speaker 2] (1:53:39 - 1:53:39)
got you

[Speaker 5] (1:53:39 - 1:53:39)
it.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:39 - 1:53:44)
know, in our own interests. What are we we're rushing to do this. I I just

[Speaker 2] (1:53:45 - 1:53:46)
I just, again,

[Speaker 2] (1:53:46 - 1:53:51)
I think that we could be getting ourselves into more trouble than it's worth.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:51 - 1:53:52)
That's what I feel, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:52 - 1:53:53)
Okay, so

[Speaker 2] (1:53:53 - 1:54:09)
We're talking about if we award it to the Center for the Performing Arts, we're talking about an upstairs with a puppet theater and all other types of things that they're banking on when they get upstairs and they look at the condition of the Hawthorne, we are the landlords of that building,

[Speaker 2] (1:54:09 - 1:54:10)
right? Like it just...

[Speaker 2] (1:54:11 - 1:54:23)
I don't know. I just foresee the worst happening and I don't I just don't know that it's a smart move for 27 months and what is it ultimately going to bring us? Is it really going to bring us what we what they are saying it's going to?

[Speaker 2] (1:54:23 - 1:54:25)
I don't I don't know that I'm confident.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:26 - 1:54:26)
Dutch.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:29 - 1:54:31)
Yeah, I hear you, Danielle.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:31 - 1:54:33)
Obviously, we come down on different sides of it.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:36 - 1:54:38)
If they proceed,

[Speaker 6] (1:54:38 - 1:54:41)
if we end up signing a contract with them,

[Speaker 6] (1:54:41 - 1:54:49)
they will be obligated to pay us and they will hopefully be contributing by and large what they're promising.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:55 - 1:54:58)
I'm not doing

[Speaker 2] (1:54:58 - 1:54:59)
You're breaking up, Johnny.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:59 - 1:55:02)
it just to do something.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:04 - 1:55:07)
I'm not used to do something.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:07 - 1:55:12)
I'm sure you have something engaging happening that's also a financial benefit.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:15 - 1:55:17)
Okay, Doug, you were breaking up a little bit,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:17 - 1:55:18)
but I think we

[Speaker 6] (1:55:18 - 1:55:19)
I got the gist.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:19 - 1:55:20)
got the gist of it,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:20 - 1:55:21)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:21 - 1:55:30)
that you're not picking it just to pick something, you understand there's a third option and that you believe that there will be a financial benefit at the end of it. I think that is what you were trying to convey.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:32 - 1:55:33)
To be honest,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:33 - 1:55:35)
I mean when I look at either of them,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:35 - 1:55:42)
I think I want there to be success and I want there to be a financial benefit that would be best case scenario.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:43 - 1:55:53)
Worst case scenario is they just defray the cost that we were going to have to pay so that already is a financial benefit to us with utilities and heat.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:54 - 1:55:55)
That's money we're not spending,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:56 - 1:55:56)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:55:56 - 1:56:02)
Oh, unless there is not a building there, then we're not spending on insurance or utilities or heat, because there's no building there.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:02 - 1:56:06)
So for the next 24 months, is the cost of heat,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:06 - 1:56:11)
property insurance and utilities greater than $500,000?

[Speaker 2] (1:56:13 - 1:56:13)
Who

[Speaker 6] (1:56:13 - 1:56:13)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:56:13 - 1:56:13)
who

[Speaker 6] (1:56:13 - 1:56:14)
don't know.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:14 - 1:56:23)
who knows what the roof caves in if we have another storm like we just had I I don't know what could potentially go wrong in an antiquated building like that right

[Speaker 1] (1:56:23 - 1:56:27)
But we're not committing to any capital expenditures on the building.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:27 - 1:56:27)
right

[Speaker 1] (1:56:27 - 1:56:31)
So the roof caves in and what happens? The contract is void because we can no longer provide

[Speaker 2] (1:56:31 - 1:56:32)
if the roof

[Speaker 3] (1:56:32 - 1:56:32)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:32 - 1:56:32)
caves

[Speaker 6] (1:56:32 - 1:56:32)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:56:32 - 1:56:32)
this

[Speaker 2] (1:56:32 - 1:56:32)
is in

[Speaker 1] (1:56:32 - 1:56:33)
the building?

[Speaker 6] (1:56:33 - 1:56:33)
what

[Speaker 2] (1:56:33 - 1:56:34)
there are people in that building what do we do

[Speaker 3] (1:56:34 - 1:56:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:34 - 1:56:35)
nothing

[Speaker 3] (1:56:35 - 1:56:35)
what happens?

[Speaker 2] (1:56:35 - 1:56:36)
happens

[Speaker 6] (1:56:37 - 1:56:42)
Can you restate the question since you were both speaking, and I'll see if I can answer it. Can you say it again, Danielle? I'm sorry,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:42 - 1:56:43)
I you

[Speaker 2] (1:56:43 - 1:56:43)
Sure,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:43 - 1:56:43)
were both let speaking.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:43 - 1:56:45)
me let me say it really really slowly.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:45 - 1:56:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:45 - 1:56:49)
If there are people in the building and the roof caves in, what do we do?

[Speaker 6] (1:56:49 - 1:56:54)
That I mean if there's people in the building and people would be injured and we would rely on insurance I

[Speaker 2] (1:56:55 - 1:56:58)
But these are things that we have to consider as a landlord,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:58 - 1:57:06)
as a landlord of an organization that's going to occupy two floors inside that building.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:06 - 1:57:10)
Right like it just is and maybe we'll get lucky we very well could

[Speaker 2] (1:57:11 - 1:57:17)
But maybe we won't and I just don't know that I feel comfortable saying okay. Well, let's just take a chance

[Speaker 2] (1:57:22 - 1:57:27)
But I get the other you know I get the other side of it also it's just it's a scary proposition

[Speaker 3] (1:57:30 - 1:57:31)
So should we take a vote?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:32 - 1:57:33)
Yeah, I just want to be clear.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:33 - 1:57:36)
There's no indication from Max or anybody that the roof's going to cave in.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:36 - 1:57:37)
I mean, I know there's No, a risk,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:37 - 1:57:37)
of

[Speaker 1] (1:57:37 - 1:57:38)
any course risk

[Speaker 3] (1:57:38 - 1:57:38)
not.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:38 - 1:57:39)
that you could take in any building.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:39 - 1:57:41)
Like, unfortunately something could happen here,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:41 - 1:57:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:41 - 1:57:43)
and something could happen at SES and

[Speaker 3] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:43 - 1:57:45)
Swamp Town Elementary,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:45 - 1:57:46)
even though the building's brand new.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:46 - 1:57:47)
There's always a risk.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:48 - 1:57:50)
I understand the risk is greater in the older building,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:50 - 1:57:51)
I get that,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:51 - 1:57:57)
but I don't think we should be afraid of trying to activate the space.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:57 - 1:58:00)
Literally people were just in it.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:00 - 1:58:00)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:58:00 - 1:58:00)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:00 - 1:58:01)
mean, no,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:01 - 1:58:02)
but we all toured it also,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:02 - 1:58:02)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:58:02 - 1:58:05)
Let's not pretend like we went in there and everything was perfect,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:06 - 1:58:08)
of course, nobody's, I don't think anybody's pretending that.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:08 - 1:58:10)
You know, there were challenges there.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:10 - 1:58:17)
Like for us to say that, you know, they were running people, you know, restaurant was running two months ago. Sure, true.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:18 - 1:58:22)
But let's understand what we're setting ourselves up for.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:22 - 1:58:26)
And if we honestly decide to go that way, we do. And we just,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:26 - 1:58:26)
you know.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:27 - 1:58:29)
And we will find out more in the 30-day due diligence

[Speaker 3] (1:58:29 - 1:58:29)
Absolutely,

[Speaker 7] (1:58:29 - 1:58:30)
period,

[Speaker 3] (1:58:30 - 1:58:30)
absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (1:58:30 - 1:58:32)
which is a lot more.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:32 - 1:58:33)
We will.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:35 - 1:58:40)
All right. Um so I guess we will move to a I will take a motion for a vote.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:42 - 1:58:46)
So I would like to motion,

[Speaker 3] (1:58:46 - 1:58:50)
well the question is how do we actually vote? We have two proposals.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:51 - 1:58:51)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:58:51 - 1:58:51)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:58:51 - 1:58:52)
it would be to award to

[Speaker 2] (1:58:52 - 1:58:52)
Motion

[Speaker 3] (1:58:52 - 1:58:52)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:58:52 - 1:58:52)
to award.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:52 - 1:58:55)
the motion to award the RFP to respondent.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:55 - 1:58:58)
Continental further for limited time only.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:58 - 1:59:04)
So I would make a motion to award the proposal to the swamp scot performing art

[Speaker 2] (1:59:07 - 1:59:09)
Center, Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:09 - 1:59:17)
and if they choose not to take it I would propose propose it to go to the next candidate the limited

[Speaker 1] (1:59:18 - 1:59:19)
limited

[Speaker 2] (1:59:19 - 1:59:19)
Time

[Speaker 1] (1:59:19 - 1:59:19)
role

[Speaker 2] (1:59:19 - 1:59:19)
unlimited.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:19 - 1:59:24)
so I would do it in that order that would be my proposal

[Speaker 2] (1:59:24 - 1:59:24)
My

[Speaker 1] (1:59:24 - 1:59:25)
my motion

[Speaker 3] (1:59:25 - 1:59:26)
Thanks.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:26 - 1:59:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:26 - 1:59:27)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:28 - 1:59:29)
Like seconds with delay.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:30 - 1:59:30)
Is, I

[Speaker 4] (1:59:30 - 1:59:30)
You

[Speaker 2] (1:59:30 - 1:59:31)
just,

[Speaker 4] (1:59:31 - 1:59:31)
guys.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:31 - 1:59:37)
yes, we got it. Thank you. I just want to make sure, are we able to, is that, are we able to vote that

[Speaker 5] (1:59:37 - 1:59:38)
I am uncertain about

[Speaker 2] (1:59:38 - 1:59:38)
I am uncertain

[Speaker 5] (1:59:38 - 1:59:39)
the double.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:39 - 1:59:39)
also.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:39 - 1:59:41)
So then let me change my motion. So

[Speaker 2] (1:59:41 - 1:59:41)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:59:41 - 1:59:41)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (1:59:41 - 1:59:42)
would just do one.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:42 - 1:59:43)
going to make a motion

[Speaker 5] (1:59:43 - 1:59:44)
I think that he's

[Speaker 1] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
to

[Speaker 5] (1:59:44 - 1:59:45)
technology based.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:45 - 1:59:50)
award or award this RFP to the center.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:51 - 1:59:52)
What is it called?

[Speaker 2] (1:59:52 - 1:59:53)
Center for, Swampscott Center

[Speaker 1] (1:59:53 - 1:59:54)
Skunk's for God

[Speaker 2] (1:59:54 - 1:59:54)
Performing

[Speaker 1] (1:59:54 - 1:59:54)
Center for

[Speaker 2] (1:59:54 - 1:59:54)
Arts.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:54 - 1:59:55)
Performing Arts.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:59 - 1:59:59)
Doug,

[Speaker 6] (1:59:59 - 1:59:59)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:59 - 1:59:59)
we have a,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:59 - 2:00:00)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:00 - 2:00:00)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:00 - 2:00:05)
so we have to take a roll call vote because Doug's on an airplane.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:05 - 2:00:07)
So Doug.

[Speaker 7] (2:00:11 - 2:00:11)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:00:11 - 2:00:20)
We'll move on to discussion and possible vote on town actions related to ICE and the federal immigration enforcement. Thank you, Chief Casada, for waiting so long.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:20 - 2:00:20)
All right. No problem.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:21 - 2:00:24)
And so just very briefly on usual last two items,

[Speaker 8] (2:00:24 - 2:00:25)
I have a quick update.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:25 - 2:00:29)
I had asked the chief to come. I'm sorry that I made you wait this long to speak.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (2:00:30 - 2:00:38)
we have been continuing to have conversations, the chief with other chiefs of police and also with our legal counsel.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:40 - 2:00:58)
What we would like to do is to come back on the 18th with both a policy for the police to be accepted as well as a narrowly defined so that it can be as useful as possible prohibition for any use of town property. We want to make sure that it reflects what's possible.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:59 - 2:01:07)
We're happy to hear anything that you all wanted to share or any questions obviously that would reflect the will of the board but in terms of trying to have a prohibition that

[Speaker 8] (2:01:07 - 2:01:12)
that is sticky enough to be meaningful, we we do request two more weeks to be able to put something together.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:14 - 2:01:22)
Yeah, I mean, I think just for me, even post our proclamation, there was a lot of chatter obviously about whether even,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:22 - 2:01:26)
you know, what some towns have already done is constitutional.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:26 - 2:01:35)
Obviously, I don't want to just stand on circumstances and say we did it just to do it. I want it to mean something. So if that requires more time from town council.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:36 - 2:01:45)
Absolutely. I think what's important for me here is that we are not reactionary. We're trying to be proactive.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:45 - 2:01:54)
This is an issue across the nation, but fortunately it's not an issue in Swampscott today that we are well aware of.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:54 - 2:02:01)
And so I would like to be proactive about it and prepare our citizens so that, God forbid it becomes an issue, we exactly know what.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:02 - 2:02:09)
how they can move and how it is safe and how we are, you know, maintaining the values of Swampscott for the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:10 - 2:02:16)
In speaking to fellow police chiefs, as well as legal counsel,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:16 - 2:02:18)
it's largely uncharted legal territory.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:18 - 2:02:24)
That's been legislation that has recently come out.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:25 - 2:02:30)
In reference to the governor's legislation and the executive order,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:30 - 2:02:33)
including the city of Boston,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:33 - 2:02:34)
Chelsea,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:34 - 2:02:35)
Lynn's proclamation,

[Speaker 9] (2:02:36 - 2:02:38)
those are largely untested.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:38 - 2:02:41)
So I'm not a lawyer.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:41 - 2:02:42)
I hate to say it depends.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:42 - 2:02:46)
What it comes down to is federal supremacy versus state sovereignty.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:47 - 2:02:50)
And that is the million dollar question.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:53 - 2:02:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (2:02:53 - 2:02:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:53 - 2:02:56)
I mean we may not have an answer in advance,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:56 - 2:03:00)
a substantial enough answer in advance of us making a decision.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:01 - 2:03:11)
Like, obviously I would like to have a little bit more understanding from KQ, like what the sticky wickets are and how we can try to either we get in them and we don't care, or we at least

[Speaker 8] (2:03:11 - 2:03:12)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:12 - 2:03:14)
we're we're navigating them away from them.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:15 - 2:03:16)
Mm-hmm. And go ahead, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:17 - 2:03:27)
Do we feel that we're communicating enough to people of what to do in the event that they see they if they think that there's a situation in their neighborhood,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:27 - 2:03:27)
I mean.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:28 - 2:03:31)
I just, that's my concern, if people make

[Speaker 9] (2:03:31 - 2:03:31)
I think that

[Speaker 1] (2:03:31 - 2:03:32)
it really

[Speaker 9] (2:03:32 - 2:03:32)
it

[Speaker 1] (2:03:32 - 2:03:32)
clear.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:32 - 2:03:37)
should be outlined specifically in speaking to my fellow colleagues,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:38 - 2:03:40)
police chiefs on the North Shore.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:40 - 2:03:42)
I know Salem,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:42 - 2:03:43)
the city of Salem,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:43 - 2:03:45)
is currently working on their policy,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:45 - 2:03:47)
their immigration policy,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:47 - 2:03:49)
their immigration non-enforcement policy,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:49 - 2:03:52)
as well as Beverly just.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:53 - 2:03:56)
completed theirs and I have a copy of Beverly's.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:57 - 2:04:07)
That is other towns, what I've been seeing is either they're putting a town proclamation and the police department immigration policy is separate.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:08 - 2:04:17)
So the City of Lynn has general orders, their policy that specifically outlines

[Speaker 9] (2:04:18 - 2:04:21)
what to do for police officers.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:21 - 2:04:22)
Say, for instance,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:22 - 2:04:31)
if a community resident from Lynn calls the police department and they're not sure whether there are police officers,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:32 - 2:04:35)
people who are masked who might have logos that say police,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:36 - 2:04:37)
if they have a question,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:37 - 2:04:39)
the police will respond.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:41 - 2:04:42)
We will also, or I'm sorry,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:42 - 2:04:43)
Lynn,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:43 - 2:04:44)
the police department,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:44 - 2:04:48)
will also try to confirm with DHS, ICE,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:48 - 2:04:54)
CBP, whichever federal agency it is, and confirm whether they are there or not. If they get confirmation,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:55 - 2:05:02)
then they'll advise the caller that is DHS, that is ICE, that's CBP, and then they won't respond.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:03 - 2:05:12)
But if a resident calls and they end up calling 911 and not the 80% that call the business line, so the 20% that call the 911 number,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:12 - 2:05:20)
is that 911 number going to be really clear saying sending a Swarm Scout police officer out there to deal and recognize what is going on?

[Speaker 9] (2:05:20 - 2:05:25)
If there's any question about the credibility of anybody there,

[Speaker 9] (2:05:25 - 2:05:27)
police will be responding.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:27 - 2:05:28)
Our police will be there.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:28 - 2:05:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:28 - 2:05:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:31 - 2:05:36)
And that's something that's been communicated, at least back to when Captain Cable was here.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:36 - 2:05:37)
Yes, um

[Speaker 8] (2:05:37 - 2:05:37)
When I was

[Speaker 9] (2:05:37 - 2:05:41)
we first started talking about this in January of twenty five.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:41 - 2:05:42)
Do we have that on our website?

[Speaker 2] (2:05:43 - 2:05:43)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:05:43 - 2:05:45)
What to do? I mean

[Speaker 8] (2:05:45 - 2:05:47)
We have the meeting, so uh the chief and I

[Speaker 2] (2:05:47 - 2:05:47)
can or

[Speaker 8] (2:05:47 - 2:05:49)
certainly put something together,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:49 - 2:05:49)
so if maybe

[Speaker 8] (2:05:49 - 2:05:49)
it's just

[Speaker 2] (2:05:49 - 2:05:49)
we could

[Speaker 8] (2:05:49 - 2:05:49)
a

[Speaker 2] (2:05:49 - 2:05:50)
just do like a little fact sheet

[Speaker 8] (2:05:50 - 2:05:51)
one page

[Speaker 2] (2:05:51 - 2:05:51)
or something.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:51 - 2:05:51)
thing.

[Speaker 10] (2:05:51 - 2:05:51)
On the paper.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:51 - 2:05:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:52 - 2:05:52)
Definitely.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:52 - 2:05:53)
Just That so we could still still

[Speaker 8] (2:05:53 - 2:05:54)
is what Captain

[Speaker 9] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
Absolutely,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
we could

[Speaker 8] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
Cable

[Speaker 2] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
put it up

[Speaker 9] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:54 - 2:05:54)
to was

[Speaker 2] (2:05:54 - 2:05:55)
a website

[Speaker 8] (2:05:55 - 2:05:55)
doing.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:55 - 2:06:00)
that the police maybe could share on their Facebook page, that we could share on the town page just to say

[Speaker 11] (2:06:01 - 2:06:01)
We got this.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:01 - 2:06:02)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:02 - 2:06:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:02 - 2:06:05)
we understand and this is what, this is the.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:07 - 2:06:08)
It does seem that

[Speaker 9] (2:06:09 - 2:06:15)
Almost all the agencies that I've read the policies are all very, very similar.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:15 - 2:06:16)
So it's,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:16 - 2:06:17)
clearly vetted through legal counsel.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:17 - 2:06:18)
Yeah. yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:18 - 2:06:20)
So they're all exactly the same.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:20 - 2:06:20)
they really are,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:20 - 2:06:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:21 - 2:06:21)
they really are.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:21 - 2:06:35)
And then we all have the same guidance from the Mass Chiefs of Police Association that is giving chiefs and their communities guidance into how to respond to these type of situations.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:39 - 2:06:45)
So there is how the police responds, how the town responds and then how the board would like to respond.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:45 - 2:06:56)
So I think we've made our proclamation and now we're asking to make sure that, you know, we figure out legally and appropriately how police and town will move forward and you guys are vetting that through.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:56 - 2:07:00)
So we will hopefully have you back at the next meeting where

[Speaker 8] (2:07:00 - 2:07:00)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:07:00 - 2:07:01)
you can

[Speaker 8] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01)
will

[Speaker 2] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01)
decide.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01)
be, yeah,

[Speaker 8] (2:07:01 - 2:07:03)
we will definitely present at the next meeting.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:03 - 2:07:04)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:05 - 2:07:07)
Any additional questions for chief or?

[Speaker 1] (2:07:08 - 2:07:19)
I have one more additional question. So are we really talking about in the event ICE is here, we're talking about their use of our town property? Is that what we're really looking at?

[Speaker 9] (2:07:19 - 2:07:24)
So what we've seen, I've seen both from town proclamations, the town, it's not just the police department,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:24 - 2:07:27)
but some of the towns, I know like Arlington,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:27 - 2:07:34)
Brookline, something I've recently seen, it'll be a town policy saying that there will be no ICE.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:35 - 2:07:39)
DHS agents on any town or city property.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:39 - 2:07:44)
And then that will be the overlying policy for all town.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:45 - 2:07:56)
property, just like Governor Healy's executive order of state facilities. There will be no ICE agents on any state facilities.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:56 - 2:08:03)
I think is a distinction of staging because they don't know that we can prevent them from coming on to property.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:03 - 2:08:04)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:04 - 2:08:05)
It's using it for stage.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:05 - 2:08:09)
That was the distinction I thought like the mayor and the governor had,

[Speaker 8] (2:08:09 - 2:08:10)
Mayor Wu and the governor that

[Speaker 8] (2:08:11 - 2:08:16)
It's to keep them sort of out of city and state property in the staging, but obviously

[Speaker 9] (2:08:17 - 2:08:18)
But what,

[Speaker 9] (2:08:18 - 2:08:20)
and speaking to KP law,

[Speaker 9] (2:08:20 - 2:08:32)
what they have seen is if you, if the city, the state says you cannot use their property, will they'll be at a nearby public park and they'll still be.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:33 - 2:08:34)
in the area,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:34 - 2:08:34)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:34 - 2:08:35)
so you can't prevent them.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:36 - 2:08:38)
It's it's been untested.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:38 - 2:08:38)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:38 - 2:08:42)
And that's how we're worried about how narrowly we need to tailor it to make sure it's something that

[Speaker 2] (2:08:42 - 2:08:43)
it's effective.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:43 - 2:08:59)
right but I don't want to dissuade you and I said this David while you were out of the room but from expressing the will of the board at any point whether it's tonight or in two weeks even if what we bring to you is not something that goes as far as I think that's important distinction to make as well we'll have a

[Speaker 2] (2:09:06 - 2:09:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:06 - 2:09:07)
% up to you.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:07 - 2:09:08)
Very good.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:11 - 2:09:15)
Okay. Uh the Council on Aging is being

[Speaker 1] (2:09:15 - 2:09:16)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:09:16 - 2:09:17)
delayed from the agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:17 - 2:09:19)
we are going to push that to the eighteenth as well, Bob

[Speaker 3] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
Shh.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:19 - 2:09:20)
Powell

[Speaker 4] (2:09:20 - 2:09:21)
Well, you're going to be

[Speaker 1] (2:09:21 - 2:09:21)
is

[Speaker 4] (2:09:21 - 2:09:21)
here on the eighteenth?

[Speaker 1] (2:09:22 - 2:09:22)
Hmm?

[Speaker 5] (2:09:22 - 2:09:26)
How long are we going to be here on the eighteenth? Everything's coming to the eighteenth now.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:27 - 2:09:28)
Just two things.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:28 - 2:09:28)
Those two.

[Speaker 7] (2:09:28 - 2:09:29)
Just have it on the meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:29 - 2:09:29)
Um

[Speaker 5] (2:09:29 - 2:09:30)
It's budget.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:31)
Bob Powell's well that's gonna be

[Speaker 2] (2:09:31 - 2:09:32)
The budget's gonna now be on every

[Speaker 1] (2:09:32 - 2:09:32)
um

[Speaker 5] (2:09:32 - 2:09:32)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:32 - 2:09:33)
single week. Get comfy.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:33 - 2:09:41)
um Bob Powell who was gonna do the presentation with Heidi, head of the council and chair of uh for all ages as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:41 - 2:09:43)
Their family welcomed a grandchild this

[Speaker 2] (2:09:43 - 2:09:44)
Congratulations,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:44 - 2:09:44)
week.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:44 - 2:09:44)
Bob.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:44 - 2:09:48)
And so he was trying to balance being here versus going to see the grandchild.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:48 - 2:09:52)
And I, after talking to you, encouraged him to see the grandchild

[Speaker 2] (2:09:52 - 2:09:52)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:52 - 2:09:52)
first.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:52 - 2:09:59)
We can wait a couple of weeks to get the presentation, so I'll continue to coordinate with him and Heidi in preparation for that presentation as well.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:59 - 2:10:00)
Sounds wonderful.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:01 - 2:10:03)
Congratulations to Bob and his family.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:05 - 2:10:12)
We'll move on to the consent agenda, which is approval of the minutes for January twenty first and February eleventh.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:13 - 2:10:14)
Do we have the minutes?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:14 - 2:10:16)
Do we have the minutes?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:19 - 2:10:20)
They were in the front of the.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:20 - 2:10:21)
In the pocket?

[Speaker 8] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
David?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:21 - 2:10:22)
In the

[Speaker 2] (2:10:22 - 2:10:22)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:22 - 2:10:22)
pocket.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:22 - 2:10:22)
in the pocket.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:22 - 2:10:23)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:23 - 2:10:25)
In the pocket. Would you like to wait, David?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:37 - 2:10:37)
Me.

[Speaker 9] (2:10:37 - 2:10:40)
I'm good. Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:40 - 2:10:40)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:41 - 2:10:43)
Uh, roll call.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:43 - 2:10:44)
Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 5] (2:10:44 - 2:10:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:44 - 2:10:45)
Daniel?

[Speaker 5] (2:10:45 - 2:10:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:45 - 2:10:46)
David?

[Speaker 9] (2:10:46 - 2:10:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:46 - 2:10:47)
Doug?

[Speaker 10] (2:10:49 - 2:10:50)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:50 - 2:10:55)
And I am an aye. Um we'll move on to select board time.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:55 - 2:10:57)
Doug, do you have anything while you're unmuted?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:00 - 2:11:01)
Nope.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:05 - 2:11:07)
Anybody like to start? Would like to go?

[Speaker 5] (2:11:07 - 2:11:09)
Uh I can start, I Is Mr

[Speaker 1] (2:11:09 - 2:11:09)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:09 - 2:11:10)
Moretzky here?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:12 - 2:11:13)
Nope, not here.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:13 - 2:11:14)
Got it wrong.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:14 - 2:11:18)
Um Mister Doulet, thank you very much for being here tonight and bringing us the

[Speaker 2] (2:11:18 - 2:11:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:18 - 2:11:19)
video.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:19 - 2:11:20)
There's one more.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:20 - 2:11:22)
Is there someone else there?

[Speaker 1] (2:11:22 - 2:11:23)
Name, actually.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23)
Nate.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:24 - 2:11:24)
Oh, and Mr.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:25 - 2:11:27)
Beischine, thank you, Monique Beischine, for being here. I

[Speaker 2] (2:11:27 - 2:11:28)
couldn't it's a great

[Speaker 5] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28)
see you from,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:28 - 2:11:30)
but thank you again for your hard work.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:30 - 2:11:38)
And I also want to congratulate two people. I want to congratulate our DPW, our DPW director,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:38 - 2:11:40)
Gino Crista, for becoming a grandpa.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:42 - 2:11:52)
And I also want to congratulate the Engels family. The Engels family, they are the Engels and the Palmer family, and they are people who settled this community,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:52 - 2:12:01)
and they just welcomed their 14th generation Engels into the world.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:01 - 2:12:04)
So this is pretty exciting,

[Speaker 5] (2:12:04 - 2:12:07)
especially as we get ready to...

[Speaker 5] (2:12:08 - 2:12:10)
Welcome our 250th anniversary,

[Speaker 5] (2:12:10 - 2:12:21)
and we talk a lot about the Glover House and we actually have people who are direct descendants of the revolution and have homes and and properties here in town,

[Speaker 5] (2:12:21 - 2:12:25)
so we we've got deep deep roots here. So congratulations

[Speaker 2] (2:12:28 - 2:12:30)
Congratulations. Anyone else?

[Speaker 5] (2:12:33 - 2:12:34)
Just go

[Speaker 2] (2:12:34 - 2:12:45)
I do just want to quickly appreciate Shannon for giving us some new formatting for the minutes and creating some efficiencies.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:45 - 2:12:54)
She's like hit the ground running so I just want to appreciate all the effort that she's put in on creating new processes and procedure and making her mark for us.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:54 - 2:12:55)
Thank you Shannon.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
Motion to adjourn

[Speaker 5] (2:12:59 - 2:12:59)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:00 - 2:13:02)
We have to roll call, although Doug's

[Speaker 5] (2:13:02 - 2:13:02)
gone We lost Doug.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:02 - 2:13:03)
but

[Speaker 1] (2:13:03 - 2:13:03)
He's gone.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:03 - 2:13:05)
let's still roll call just in case.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:05 - 2:13:07)
Uh Doug uh David.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:07 - 2:13:08)
Danielle.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:08 - 2:13:08)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:08 - 2:13:09)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:09 - 2:13:09)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:09 - 2:13:10)
And I am an aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:10 - 2:13:10)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:10 - 2:13:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:11 - 2:13:12)
Thank you.