[Speaker 1] (0:04 - 0:11)
Okay. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the Wednesday March fourth meeting for the select board. We are being recorded. If you wouldn't mind raising for the pledge.

[Speaker 1] (0:14 - 0:25)
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 1] (0:31 - 0:32)
Thank you all for joining us.

[Speaker 1] (0:33 - 0:36)
Nick, we will start with the town administrator's report,

[Speaker 1] (0:36 - 0:37)
if you'd like.

[Speaker 2] (0:37 - 0:37)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (0:38 - 0:39)
Thank you. I have a brief update.

[Speaker 2] (0:40 - 0:43)
We've been working on a lot with the budget at Town Hall, obviously, so.

[Speaker 2] (0:44 - 1:06)
Uh I think there may be questions back and forth, uh but I have a brief update as I mentioned. So in the human resources front I just wanted to mention that we have a new administrative assistant part-time at the COA, Jeannie Paths, who's joining us. We have Kylie Gates who's joined as the assistant town accountant this week as well, which we're very excited about. And I wanted to give uh an update on police hiring, which has been an area of particular focus as well for the group.

[Speaker 2] (1:07 - 1:11)
Um we have, in terms of the academy graduations coming up, we have one in April.

[Speaker 2] (1:11 - 1:13)
One in July and one in September.

[Speaker 2] (1:13 - 1:17)
From there they do the field officer training as well, or field, am I saying that right?

[Speaker 2] (1:17 - 1:19)
Field officer, field training,

[Speaker 2] (1:19 - 1:19)
FTO,

[Speaker 2] (1:19 - 1:20)
not FOT.

[Speaker 2] (1:21 - 1:31)
In addition to that, we have another conditional offer out to an individual who has previous experience as a police officer who will go right into the FTO when he comes,

[Speaker 2] (1:31 - 1:34)
which in a full staffing model that will leave one that remains,

[Speaker 2] (1:34 - 1:35)
as we mentioned before,

[Speaker 2] (1:36 - 1:39)
between the conditionals and the folks that are in.

[Speaker 2] (1:40 - 1:44)
Um the academies right now, we actually have two conditionals, right Ruben? I said that wrong.

[Speaker 3] (1:44 - 1:44)
You're right.

[Speaker 2] (1:44 - 1:48)
One is uh lateral from another state and then the other one is um

[Speaker 2] (1:48 - 2:01)
Going into the Academy when she completes her psych, medical and everything else, we will get her scheduled for one of the academies as well and that's a roughly six month process once she's in and then on top of that you do the FTO before she's actually out on the road for any of them. It's is that

[Speaker 4] (2:01 - 2:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:01 - 2:04)
is six or eight weeks? How long do they do the FTO?

[Speaker 4] (2:04 - 2:05)
FTO is three months.

[Speaker 2] (2:05 - 2:07)
Okay, twelve weeks.

[Speaker 2] (2:07 - 2:09)
So we're making significant progress.

[Speaker 2] (2:10 - 2:16)
We have folks in the pipeline finally. It's a credit to the effort of the team that supports and I know

[Speaker 2] (2:16 - 2:21)
identify themselves with Reuben, so Reuben and I, we've been able to identify them, so we're moving,

[Speaker 2] (2:22 - 2:27)
but we are at the point now that for that final position it requires a new pool of candidates if I remember correctly.

[Speaker 4] (2:27 - 2:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:28 - 2:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:29 - 2:56)
Um so wanted to update on that uh in addition I know folks there have been a lot of emails over the last couple days related to the rail trail um the Metropolitan Planning Organization which helps handle the transportation improvement plan so the MPO that works on the tip for mascot has a meeting tomorrow they're the draft that went around showed that the project was coming off the tip and with no notice to the economic development team no notice to me

[Speaker 2] (2:57 - 3:01)
I reached out to our legislative delegation and to ledge affairs at MassDOT.

[Speaker 2] (3:01 - 3:04)
The delegation was even more helpful in my contact.

[Speaker 2] (3:04 - 3:10)
They are working now to actually schedule a meeting with Secretary Eng at MassDOT with myself,

[Speaker 2] (3:10 - 3:10)
Marzi.

[Speaker 2] (3:11 - 3:39)
and folks from both the senators and the representatives office so tomorrow there will not be a vote it is just something that was sort of floated as a draft but you know we've been told very directly that there'll be no vote to take anything on or off tomorrow and we will have a full discussion because this is the project that they understand we've continued to work on throughout so more to come on that but I wanted to make sure because I know some of you may have heard from individuals that have worked really hard on the project over time and I wanted that

[Speaker 2] (3:39 - 3:42)
I have that update to be shared here, but also specifically with you all.

[Speaker 2] (3:44 - 3:49)
A one update on information requests related to the budget, and this had come up in conversation.

[Speaker 2] (3:50 - 3:58)
A year-to-date expense and revenue sort of outline for everyone that really lists where we are is something we want to share with all five of you.

[Speaker 2] (3:58 - 4:00)
We had tried to get it prepared for today,

[Speaker 2] (4:00 - 4:02)
but with the staffing and getting everything ready for Monday,

[Speaker 2] (4:02 - 4:13)
it's something that we'll be able to circulate among the board in advance of the meeting, but we'll be happy to present briefly on 318 as well so that the broader community can see it. I just wanted to let everyone know.

[Speaker 2] (4:13 - 4:14)
everyone know that that's why it was delayed today.

[Speaker 2] (4:16 - 4:21)
And then on the budget, I know we have it on the agenda to go into whatever detail we're interested to go into it tonight.

[Speaker 2] (4:22 - 4:26)
But Patrick and I have already been reviewing with the Department of Head submissions.

[Speaker 2] (4:26 - 4:35)
We had requested both level service and some modest reductions to begin so that we had the ability to sort of move into this as quickly as possible. We're looking at those.

[Speaker 2] (4:35 - 4:41)
I've also had some very direct conversations with both the police chief and the fire chief.

[Speaker 2] (4:42 - 5:11)
uh based on the direction we got around um overtime specifically so that we can think about both tactically and strategically how we may be able to manage that um and you know i think they were both really productive conversations and it's something that we will report back to you all on but as of today the it was sort of introduced the idea yesterday talk about those off the top of the head potential solutions and we really need to dig in on both sides to understand what we would be doing because we want to reflect the uh the plan and the effort that will go

[Speaker 2] (5:10 - 5:12)
I will go into meeting the goals that you all set,

[Speaker 2] (5:12 - 5:36)
which is staying at that level funded budget and what it will take to be there and what it will take to get there. Uh both chiefs did recognise, you know, one of the things that will be most beneficial as a baseline is the fact that we are nearly fully staffed or fully staffed and both for the first time in a long time. Um so we'll see how it goes from here, but I just wanted to let you know that that has already begun. I've also had initial conversations with the superintendent.

[Speaker 2] (5:36 - 5:42)
And we'll, we're already planning to talk tomorrow based on, you know, understanding what may come out of tonight.

[Speaker 2] (5:43 - 6:01)
So tomorrow afternoon we're having the second discussion just following on Monday's initial budget presentation and the feedback that we received. So we're moving in sort of all those major ways that we can to figure out what we can come back to you all with that's responsive to the idea of trying to lower the impact on the taxpayer.

[Speaker 2] (6:01 - 6:02)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (6:03 - 6:08)
and I think that's it for what I had written here, and I'm happy to take any questions that you all may have.

[Speaker 4] (6:09 - 6:11)
So just just in regards to the rail trail

[Speaker 5] (6:13 - 6:21)
So do you have any idea, Nick, how many um you know how how much has been spent so far? How many meetings have been have been taken, you know,

[Speaker 5] (6:22 - 6:26)
just from the time that this was passed in twenty seventeen to the present

[Speaker 2] (6:26 - 6:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (6:26 - 6:40)
day? I mean I I wanna I I wanna make sure that we're putting you know our best foot forward and I'm sure Marcie has that information. So I think it would be helpful to see what kind of funds have been expended, uh how many hours have gone into this and and really

[Speaker 5] (6:40 - 6:47)
you know putting that all together for for that for that comprehensive discussion with the secretary

[Speaker 2] (6:47 - 6:59)
Yeah, and so I think for tomorrow there has already been an effort among folks both in town and some of our sort of regional advocates that are looking at this as an important connector for the northern strand to Salem and Marblehead.

[Speaker 2] (6:59 - 7:09)
People have already been sort of firing off emails to the MPO, to the secretary and others that I've been copied on and Marzi is looking to gather information for tomorrow for the meeting she plans to attend it's a birthday.

[Speaker 2] (7:09 - 7:12)
it's a virtual meeting, uh but we will have sort of the broader

[Speaker 2] (7:12 - 7:39)
The full story to tell absolutely it's a great note to make sure we have everything going back to the very beginning so that the secretary in his office understands it's not just that you know Senator Crichton and Representative Ramidi called but it's the fact that this has been a community priority with a lot of energy and dollars behind it resources behind it and always over time and that was certainly the feedback once people started asking even when we reached out to the NPO originally it was

[Speaker 2] (7:40 - 7:40)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (7:40 - 7:40)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (7:40 - 7:41)
you

[Speaker 6] (7:41 - 7:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (7:41 - 7:50)
know, our Project Manager was kind of caught off guard that it was even on there. So I think there'll be a little bit on their side that they will want to explain and understand how it got there,

[Speaker 2] (7:50 - 7:52)
but we'll certainly wanna tell our story as part of that meeting as well.

[Speaker 4] (7:53 - 7:53)
Excellent.

[Speaker 4] (7:53 - 7:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (7:53 - 7:54)
Good note, thank you.

[Speaker 6] (7:57 - 8:04)
Um I have a quick question on the the conditional offer. You said that it was for a lateral from out of state?

[Speaker 4] (8:05 - 8:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (8:05 - 8:09)
And when we do things for out of state, as far as checking background checks,

[Speaker 6] (8:09 - 8:14)
we have the same security out of state as we do in state?

[Speaker 4] (8:15 - 8:26)
Yes. So what we do is we check the post commission in their state that they are currently at. We check for any disciplinary issues or...

[Speaker 4] (8:26 - 8:44)
any items that may have come up and we also check the national decertification index that's to also that's a federal registry for officers who are either decertified or have had Brady or Giglio issues issues of truthfulness sure

[Speaker 6] (8:44 - 8:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (8:46 - 8:46)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (8:50 - 8:51)
There's more?

[Speaker 2] (8:51 - 8:51)
No.

[Speaker 1] (8:51 - 8:52)
What's after you? That was it.

[Speaker 2] (8:52 - 8:53)
Ask- just questions at

[Speaker 1] (8:53 - 8:54)
Very

[Speaker 2] (8:54 - 8:54)
this point,

[Speaker 1] (8:54 - 8:54)
good.

[Speaker 2] (8:54 - 8:54)
if you have any.

[Speaker 1] (8:54 - 8:56)
Any additional? Daniel, you good?

[Speaker 6] (8:56 - 8:57)
No, I'm good thank you.

[Speaker 1] (8:57 - 8:59)
Okay. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (8:59 - 9:00)
Sure. Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (9:00 - 9:00)
Thanks, Nick.

[Speaker 1] (9:01 - 9:03)
Um we will move to public comment.

[Speaker 1] (9:03 - 9:16)
Um I believe we're gonna use this microphone that you have in front of you, um if you wouldn't mind uh if you are gonna make public comment to make it and then move it to the end of the table and then whoever else would like to make public comment can use that also.

[Speaker 1] (9:17 - 9:19)
Oh, very quick to move it.

[Speaker 1] (9:21 - 9:23)
Public comment will be three minutes.

[Speaker 1] (9:23 - 9:25)
Public comment is on all items on the agenda.

[Speaker 1] (9:25 - 9:26)
There is no public

[Speaker 2] (9:26 - 9:27)
Yes

[Speaker 1] (9:27 - 9:31)
hearings being held on this agenda,

[Speaker 1] (9:31 - 9:33)
so we'll take comment on all items.

[Speaker 1] (9:33 - 9:35)
So if anybody has a public comment,

[Speaker 1] (9:35 - 9:36)
please rise,

[Speaker 1] (9:36 - 9:37)
state your name, your address,

[Speaker 1] (9:37 - 9:40)
and you all three minutes.

[Speaker 1] (9:43 - 9:44)
Please go ahead.

[Speaker 7] (9:45 - 9:48)
So I have to hold this and you can you can

[Speaker 1] (9:48 - 9:48)
You

[Speaker 7] (9:48 - 9:48)
sit could oh

[Speaker 1] (9:48 - 9:50)
sit. That's fine because it's in front of you. I

[Speaker 7] (9:50 - 9:50)
Please rise. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (9:50 - 9:52)
know I did. I'm sorry. You were just following

[Speaker 2] (9:52 - 9:52)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (9:52 - 9:52)
directions.

[Speaker 2] (9:52 - 9:53)
it's strange.

[Speaker 5] (9:53 - 9:53)
Stand up sitting.

[Speaker 7] (9:53 - 9:54)
All right. Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (9:56 - 9:56)
Thanks.

[Speaker 7] (9:57 - 9:58)
Good evening, everyone. I'm George Allen,

[Speaker 7] (9:58 - 9:59)
27 Bayou.

[Speaker 1] (10:21 - 10:34)
Do not let us assess or track the impact of Brook outflows on the beach water quality. We need both ENT and flow to get the dose to the beach. Dose is literally the number of bacteria.

[Speaker 1] (10:34 - 10:36)
There are trillions of them per day.

[Speaker 1] (10:36 - 10:48)
This is the metric that affects beach water quality, not just ENT concentration. We need dose data for each culvert separately to effectively track progress of mitigation efforts.

[Speaker 1] (10:48 - 10:50)
Here's an example of how this works.

[Speaker 1] (10:51 - 10:58)
Daily ENT dose to the beach is the product of daily volume from flow and time and ENT concentration.

[Speaker 1] (10:58 - 11:01)
If you reduce both flow and ENT by half,

[Speaker 1] (11:02 - 11:03)
you reduce the dose,

[Speaker 1] (11:03 - 11:05)
which is what matters, by three quarters.

[Speaker 1] (11:05 - 11:08)
If you reduce ENT by half but the flow doubles,

[Speaker 1] (11:08 - 11:10)
then there's no change in the ENT dose.

[Speaker 1] (11:11 - 11:12)
Now, turbidity measurements,

[Speaker 1] (11:13 - 11:14)
how cloudy the water is.

[Speaker 1] (11:14 - 11:41)
are a strongly recommended add-on. This is an automated measurement that can serve as a surrogate for E_N_T_ bacteria. And because flow isn't constant, this improves the estimate of the daily E_N_T_ dose. E_P_A_ has models uh to message beach water quality in real time that use turbidity as the measurement. This approach can minimise the time when the beach is closed and also minimise exposure to elevated levels of bacteria in the water.

[Speaker 1] (11:41 - 11:41)
the water.

[Speaker 1] (11:42 - 11:51)
Lynde Stacy's and Swampscott Stacy's are totally separate systems that do not cross town lines with separate consent decrees.

[Speaker 1] (11:51 - 12:01)
I've been asking around town and so far I haven't found anyone that knew that there are two completely separate Brooks even when told there are two culvert outflows side by side on the beach.

[Speaker 1] (12:02 - 12:10)
Lynde can't clean up Swampscott's Brook and Swampscott can't clean up Lynde's Brook but together we are responsible for cleaning up the beach.

[Speaker 1] (12:10 - 12:12)
Thus I have a new slogan for all of this,

[Speaker 1] (12:13 - 12:15)
two towns, two brooks,

[Speaker 1] (12:15 - 12:22)
one beach. Finally, and somewhat related, I am running for the open seat on the Swampscott Board of Health this spring,

[Speaker 1] (12:22 - 12:27)
and I have both an engineering and environmental science and public health background. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (12:28 - 12:29)
Thank you, Mr.

[Speaker 2] (12:29 - 12:30)
Allen.

[Speaker 3] (12:40 - 12:41)
Brian Watson.

[Speaker 3] (12:43 - 12:48)
Three minutes really isn't adequate for any comments I have, but I'll do the best I can.

[Speaker 3] (12:48 - 12:57)
I also would like to put in a plug for the idea of having public comment, you know, during agenda items where it's relevant.

[Speaker 3] (12:57 - 12:59)
There usually aren't that many people to speak,

[Speaker 3] (12:59 - 13:06)
and I think it would be far more helpful to try and comment during a discussion rather than trying to make a comment before you guys have even had the discussion.

[Speaker 3] (13:06 - 13:07)
But anyway.

[Speaker 3] (13:08 - 13:15)
I gave you all the two contractor estimates for demolition of the restaurant because at the last meeting, which I sat through,

[Speaker 3] (13:15 - 13:36)
the financial analysis meeting for the town, uh I know there's a place holder for two million two million dollars demolition of the restaurant in the capital improvement plan. I wanted to clarify that it isn't two million to demolish the restaurant, it's roughly conservatively five five hundred thousand in that neighbourhood. Two million would include way more than demolishing and removing the restaurant.

[Speaker 3] (13:37 - 13:40)
And that is at prevailing wages that Massachusetts requires.

[Speaker 3] (13:41 - 13:46)
And you have two copies of estimates that are in that neighborhood.

[Speaker 3] (13:46 - 13:48)
We actually had a third one in the same neighborhood,

[Speaker 3] (13:48 - 13:52)
but that person didn't want to participate until it's officially bid.

[Speaker 3] (13:52 - 13:54)
So the point is to understand that

[Speaker 3] (13:55 - 14:10)
The the penalty to the town if the private developer is engaged to do the demolition at such time as a full a full development proposal is about five hundred thousand and that includes that includes about one hundred thousand for hazardous material abatement.

[Speaker 3] (14:11 - 14:13)
So that's a pretty real number and you can use it.

[Speaker 3] (14:13 - 14:14)
OK,

[Speaker 3] (14:14 - 14:17)
I'm going to move on real quick with what's left of my time.

[Speaker 3] (14:17 - 14:21)
I want to comment with some degree of horror at the two.

[Speaker 3] (14:21 - 14:24)
RFP response is the town has received.

[Speaker 3] (14:24 - 14:32)
The Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts proposal is really alarming because it bears no resemblance to what the RFP requested.

[Speaker 3] (14:33 - 14:38)
It makes 11 mentions of long-term sustainability of this proposal.

[Speaker 3] (14:39 - 14:42)
Talks over and over again how this will be a decades-long project.

[Speaker 3] (14:42 - 14:48)
So this Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts makes no sense. It makes no alignment.

[Speaker 3] (14:49 - 15:01)
um with the town's R_F_P_ Uh I I I I think if we were, if the town were to select it, we would be subject to a a thirty month long lobbying effort by by the people behind it to to make it permanent. Um

[Speaker 3] (15:02 - 15:06)
Furthermore, to take either one of these, which I wouldn't recommend,

[Speaker 3] (15:06 - 15:15)
the 30 months, I'm assuming, doesn't start until the lease starts. So we're going to spend the town's administrative time between now and that time, you know, doing due diligence,

[Speaker 3] (15:16 - 15:17)
managing this process,

[Speaker 3] (15:18 - 15:19)
our town council's involved.

[Speaker 3] (15:19 - 15:21)
I mean, look at the time, the staff time already,

[Speaker 3] (15:21 - 15:31)
the town council time already. It's a management problem that has real dollars and cents attached to it, and we can't ignore that. We can't pretend that's not happening.

[Speaker 3] (15:31 - 15:39)
So uh as a last thought, if if the select would say did not take either of these uh

[Speaker 3] (15:40 - 15:57)
We could proceed as a town and within say 12 months, it's a big job, I understand it, it's complicated. But I mean the select board, you know, with with the assistance of others could come up with a development proposal and maybe maybe it's ready a year from now. But but but to wait thirty months

[Speaker 2] (15:58 - 15:58)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (15:58 - 15:58)
uh

[Speaker 2] (15:58 - 15:58)
you.

[Speaker 3] (15:58 - 16:05)
before we can start is it it just seems unnecessary and it it's not what the town at large voted for.

[Speaker 2] (16:05 - 16:06)
Thank you

[Speaker 4] (16:06 - 16:06)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (16:06 - 16:06)
Brian.

[Speaker 4] (16:06 - 16:06)
you.

[Speaker 2] (16:08 - 16:09)
Any additional comment?

[Speaker 5] (16:11 - 16:12)
There's a gentleman in the back.

[Speaker 4] (16:12 - 16:13)
Think she had her hand up? Do you wanna go?

[Speaker 5] (16:13 - 16:14)
Oh, somebody

[Speaker 4] (16:14 - 16:16)
She over there first? She had her Okay.

[Speaker 5] (16:17 - 16:17)
No, that's alright.

[Speaker 6] (16:17 - 16:18)
You can go.

[Speaker 6] (16:19 - 16:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (16:24 - 16:33)
Uh good evening. My name's Johnny Ray, thirty-one Atlantic Ave, Marblehead. I'm speaking here on behalf of the Swampscott Center of the Performing Arts. Uh

[Speaker 6] (16:33 - 16:42)
I just wanted to clear up some of the misconceptions that have been said in public about the uh the effort to uh with regard to the Hawthorne reuse project.

[Speaker 6] (16:42 - 17:00)
Um if anyone wants to uh find out more about the actual proposal they can go to swampscotcpa dot org swampscotcpa dot org. First of all we have no uh the association has no intention of investing a million dollars into the property.

[Speaker 6] (17:00 - 17:07)
But we're sorry if that was a misconception that was mentioned in public and online.

[Speaker 6] (17:08 - 17:17)
Second of all, the association is very much aware that it's a 30 month lease and that that's not a problem with the plans that we have.

[Speaker 6] (17:18 - 17:26)
We did deliver something recently that have our numbers which are based on industry standards under ideal scenarios.

[Speaker 6] (17:27 - 17:40)
Does basically what the Swampscott Center of the Performing Arts wants to do is to bring a cultural center and act as the gateway to the North Shore, which is what Swampscott really is, almost like a visiting center.

[Speaker 6] (17:40 - 17:53)
It will have a restaurant, it will have a showroom, and when we say showroom we want you to think of Blue Ocean Music Hall up in Salisbury or Jimmy's in Portsmouth.

[Speaker 6] (17:53 - 17:58)
with New Hampshire a very uh something that will attract regional entertainment.

[Speaker 6] (17:58 - 18:13)
We also want to put a uh cafe that will face uh Humphrey Street that will be open seven days a week uh for breakfast and and uh and hopefully out some outdoor seating. Uh within the structure too on the second floor if we're uh able to use it,

[Speaker 6] (18:14 - 18:20)
there's plans to put a puppet show theater for kids for uh birthday parties and different celebrations.

[Speaker 6] (18:20 - 18:46)
And also we have this idea of a visiting center like a a gift shop or a or a small museum where uh local artists will be able to feature uh some of their crafts. So um uh we we know that the uh the board will do what's best for the town. We have every faith in in that. We just wanted to clear up some some misconceptions about what we intend to do. Uh we won't invest anything further than what is needed.

[Speaker 6] (18:47 - 18:59)
to open the facility and get it operational and then any other future investment depends on how the performance of those entities within the the property.

[Speaker 6] (19:01 - 19:03)
I think that's uh I'm almost out of time so.

[Speaker 2] (19:03 - 19:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (19:04 - 19:14)
Again I'll just say the w uh if you wanted to see more about the presentation go to swampscottcfpa.org, swampscottcfpa.org. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (19:20 - 19:21)
Thank you, Jim.

[Speaker 7] (19:27 - 19:29)
Hi, my name is Lily Tapper.

[Speaker 7] (19:29 - 19:32)
I'm a business owner at 222 Humphrey Street in Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (19:34 - 19:38)
So I recently found out about the proposals for the Hawthorne space,

[Speaker 7] (19:38 - 19:41)
and I just wanted to voice some of my concerns.

[Speaker 7] (19:41 - 19:45)
I also recently met with some other business owners on Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 7] (19:45 - 19:46)
and they also.

[Speaker 7] (19:46 - 19:49)
shared similar concerns so I wanted to voice them today.

[Speaker 7] (19:50 - 19:53)
One of them is the parking and infrastructure constraints.

[Speaker 1] (19:54 - 20:03)
Right now Humphrey Street already has limited parking capacity and the winter conditions have proved further decrease in parking.

[Speaker 1] (20:03 - 20:20)
It's taken several days or several weeks to clear out the parking spots on Humphrey Street and it's significantly has impacted my business. I'm very new so it's pretty disappointing when I came to work one day and there was no parking spots for customers.

[Speaker 1] (20:20 - 20:24)
And they voiced to me that they didn't come that day because there was no parking.

[Speaker 1] (20:25 - 20:29)
We rely on a very small number of parking spots on Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 1] (20:29 - 20:39)
so bringing in more businesses in the Hawthorne by the Sea space would further be detrimental to that.

[Speaker 1] (20:39 - 20:51)
So without any infrastructure improvements adding to the supply does not grow the demand in the area. It would just redistribute it and negatively affect the existing businesses there.

[Speaker 1] (20:52 - 20:54)
We also had some pedestrian safety concerns.

[Speaker 1] (20:55 - 21:14)
So I have a crosswalk right in front of my bakery with a light and I see time and time again that cars are not stopping when the red light is on and go right by the pedestrians trying to cross and I've seen many people almost get hit and I've heard some people getting hit on the crosswalks on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (21:14 - 21:18)
So that's a big concern and if we are discussing a project to bring

[Speaker 1] (21:18 - 21:22)
bring more infrastructure and destinations onto that street.

[Speaker 1] (21:22 - 21:30)
It's kind of bring more pedestrians in the area and further increase the safety concerns for the people walking and crossing the road.

[Speaker 1] (21:30 - 21:33)
And I've seen people,

[Speaker 1] (21:34 - 21:42)
cars letting pedestrians cross and then cars go around them and not stop and it's just a very dangerous position.

[Speaker 1] (21:43 - 21:47)
So adding any additional food destinations would increase the traffic,

[Speaker 1] (21:47 - 21:48)
foot traffic,

[Speaker 1] (21:48 - 21:50)
volume of vehicles,

[Speaker 1] (21:50 - 21:54)
and the congestion in an already unsafe traffic behavior area.

[Speaker 1] (21:54 - 22:04)
Also the impact on existing food businesses. So new food vendors would divert the revenue rather than expand overall customer base.

[Speaker 1] (22:05 - 22:11)
The established businesses are going to have a larger overhead than the pop-ups that are proposed in some of these proposals,

[Speaker 1] (22:11 - 22:23)
and it's going to impact the revenue and adding new food options without expanding the capacity risk undermining the stability of existing businesses.

[Speaker 1] (22:23 - 22:30)
So what I've come up with with some of my fellow business owners is that we need to

[Speaker 1] (22:32 - 22:40)
Improve pedestrian safety, address the parking concerns, um and support the current businesses there before adding more. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (22:40 - 22:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (22:42 - 22:46)
Any additional public comment? Oh, I ha I see a hand up online,

[Speaker 2] (22:46 - 22:48)
so if you could allow him to unmute.

[Speaker 3] (22:51 - 22:52)
Unmute? Oh

[Speaker 2] (22:52 - 22:55)
If you, um, right click on those three dots,

[Speaker 2] (22:55 - 22:56)
I think.

[Speaker 3] (22:56 - 22:57)
There he is.

[Speaker 2] (22:57 - 22:57)
Oh, he's there.

[Speaker 2] (22:57 - 22:57)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (22:57 - 22:58)
great, thanks.

[Speaker 4] (22:59 - 23:00)
He sure is there.

[Speaker 4] (23:01 - 23:02)
It is

[Speaker 2] (23:02 - 23:02)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (23:02 - 23:03)
built a matter 1

[Speaker 2] (23:03 - 23:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (23:03 - 23:05)
,008 Paradise Road,

[Speaker 4] (23:06 - 23:11)
and it was a pleasure to listen to George Allen,

[Speaker 4] (23:11 - 23:25)
who talks the talk and walks the walk, and it is an absolute crime that this boy has not been proactive and put him on that committee.

[Speaker 4] (23:25 - 23:50)
Think to energize have an expert like that and you folks are sitting there doing nothing about it I've been on this for months for you to put him on that committee and it's just a shame but I'm delighted everyone in town can see that a petty political argument has interfered with filling this committee with this kind of an expert

[Speaker 4] (23:51 - 23:52)
Thank you for the time.

[Speaker 2] (23:53 - 23:56)
Thank you, Mr. Demento.

[Speaker 2] (23:59 - 24:00)
Anyone else?

[Speaker 2] (24:01 - 24:04)
Please state your name and your address.

[Speaker 5] (24:05 - 24:07)
Hi, my name's Mike Kelleher,

[Speaker 5] (24:07 - 24:08)
Pine Hill Road,

[Speaker 5] (24:08 - 24:09)
Swampscott.

[Speaker 5] (24:09 - 24:13)
I just want to speak in favor of the limited time only proposal.

[Speaker 5] (24:14 - 24:19)
Just I hear your concerns and I'm very happy your business is in town.

[Speaker 5] (24:19 - 24:35)
But I just wanted to clarify I know I've sent everything I'm not going to talk much but she did address some things that I think is worth addressing and you know my proposal will actually incorporate local businesses because we're going to be outsourcing food to open fast and to do

[Speaker 5] (24:35 - 24:52)
uh to try and partner with other local businesses uh and so i think the destination we've created will actually hopefully drive more business to your bakery and to other businesses in town uh as overflow um but anyway thank you and um that's uh all i got unless yeah that's

[Speaker 2] (24:52 - 24:52)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (24:52 - 24:52)
it

[Speaker 2] (24:52 - 24:52)
you.

[Speaker 2] (24:56 - 24:56)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (24:56 - 24:58)
any additional public comment?

[Speaker 2] (25:01 - 25:10)
Alright seeing none we will move on to new and old business. Uh the first item is discussion impossible vote on the fiscal year twenty twenty seven preliminary budget.

[Speaker 6] (25:10 - 25:17)
We included this to allow for discussion when we were posting. It was in advance of Monday's meeting. This, you know, we're happy to take any other feedback,

[Speaker 6] (25:18 - 25:23)
questions, and obviously any requests for information that we can provide to better inform,

[Speaker 6] (25:23 - 25:27)
but we posted this in advance of Monday's meeting to make sure it was available to everyone.

[Speaker 2] (25:28 - 25:38)
Okay. Uh so I guess then if if any of us haven't communicated any follow-up or questions or requests for documentation from Patrick or Nick, anybody have anything?

[Speaker 6] (25:40 - 26:02)
I I think the one thing I would add just to highlight that as we understood what you asked for was looking at where we could make some difficult decisions that would result in savings that may affect or may not affect uh service and be able to articulate that, but also to be looking at that through the prism or the la the lens of you know what is the number that will have sort of chunky impacts on the taxpayer impact. So

[Speaker 6] (26:03 - 26:10)
How much do we need to reduce in order to have $100 reduction in the anticipated tax bill? That's an increase in the anticipated tax bill.

[Speaker 6] (26:10 - 26:20)
That's the way that we're looking at it and that's what we would anticipate coming back to you with something on the 18th that would have a little more detail. So I just want to make sure that that does jive with what you all are looking for.

[Speaker 7] (26:20 - 26:24)
And then I'm guessing this is going to be a, the budget is going to be on every agenda.

[Speaker 6] (26:24 - 26:26)
We plan to have it on every agenda.

[Speaker 2] (26:26 - 26:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (26:26 - 26:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (26:26 - 26:31)
I think discussion for sure. I think for the charter at some point in the near future we would like to have a vote just

[Speaker 6] (26:31 - 26:35)
Just to continue moving it through the process, understanding that it will continue to change.

[Speaker 6] (26:35 - 26:45)
But yeah, my my expectation is that we would have this every week that we are together so that we can be providing anything that's necessary or having deeper discussion around anything we do provide to you.

[Speaker 7] (26:45 - 26:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (26:46 - 26:56)
Yeah, I think the only comment I sort of walked away lingering upon was the parallel track of asking each, you know, department head, school,

[Speaker 2] (26:57 - 26:58)
police and fire to

[Speaker 2] (26:59 - 27:09)
Take another hard look at the budget and come back to you with some necessary depreciation and then also at the same time having two additional paths.

[Speaker 2] (27:10 - 27:16)
Having Patrick come up with the dollar amount by which once we've sort of settled that dust,

[Speaker 2] (27:16 - 27:24)
now how much are we looking to cut like and how much is that communicating in a two tax savings.

[Speaker 2] (27:24 - 27:30)
So I think for me it's likely the one before the other, but both are equally important.

[Speaker 6] (27:31 - 27:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (27:32 - 27:32)
Do you have anything?

[Speaker 6] (27:33 - 27:38)
Yeah, and I, you know, I think that we can come to you with a a

[Speaker 6] (27:39 - 27:44)
Thoughtful discussion on both that we'll highlight and we can start, we can talk about which one should go first in that

[Speaker 2] (27:44 - 27:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (27:44 - 28:02)
discussion. But uh it's certainly something where I think we had asked department heads already to think a little bit about in advance of this, knowing that we were making a significant ask as it relates to excess levy capacity. So there there has been some discussion already and we can go a little deeper on the expense side, but also understand if there's, you know, obviously salary impact in terms of staff.

[Speaker 6] (28:03 - 28:08)
Right now we're focused on expense and optimizing and making sure that we can do everything that we can.

[Speaker 6] (28:07 - 28:19)
We can and then to describe to you all how that would impact service so that is a you know it is a thoughtful discussion and informed discussion that you all and then ultimately pin come and town meeting will be making.

[Speaker 2] (28:20 - 28:21)
Wonderful.

[Speaker 2] (28:24 - 28:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (28:25 - 28:25)
Everyone's good?

[Speaker 2] (28:26 - 28:27)
We'll move on.

[Speaker 2] (28:28 - 28:31)
Update and discussion of the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee.

[Speaker 2] (28:33 - 28:33)
That's you.

[Speaker 5] (28:33 - 28:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (28:35 - 28:35)
Hello, I

[Speaker 2] (28:35 - 28:37)
Oh, hello, Kelly.

[Speaker 6] (28:37 - 28:37)
Hello.

[Speaker 2] (28:37 - 28:37)
How are you?

[Speaker 8] (28:38 - 28:39)
am remote.

[Speaker 8] (28:39 - 28:40)
How are you?

[Speaker 2] (28:40 - 28:40)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (28:40 - 28:41)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (28:41 - 28:45)
So we have, I believe we have a presentation which Nick's going to pull up.

[Speaker 6] (28:45 - 28:46)
Just give me one second.

[Speaker 6] (28:46 - 28:46)
Working

[Speaker 2] (28:46 - 28:47)
And

[Speaker 6] (28:47 - 28:47)
on it.

[Speaker 2] (28:47 - 28:54)
we have the chair on for the committee and some committee members who are going to present.

[Speaker 5] (28:55 - 28:56)
You can go ahead and start.

[Speaker 8] (29:00 - 29:03)
Okay, wait for the slides.

[Speaker 8] (29:07 - 29:08)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 6] (29:08 - 29:08)
Whoa

[Speaker 6] (29:10 - 29:11)
That was pretty.

[Speaker 8] (29:11 - 29:12)
Excellent. It's like magic.

[Speaker 8] (29:13 - 29:15)
Okay, so I'm Kelly Deacon.

[Speaker 8] (29:15 - 29:23)
I'm the chair of the Water and Sewer Infrastructure Advisory Committee and Brian Grumman, the vice chair is...

[Speaker 8] (29:23 - 29:39)
in person at the meeting and we have essentially a committee status update and alignment discussion that we wanted to share with the board and the town administrator and the director of public works and the community. Next slide.

[Speaker 6] (29:42 - 29:44)
Oh, give me one second.

[Speaker 6] (29:46 - 29:47)
There we go.

[Speaker 8] (29:47 - 29:49)
And I know folks are generally aware

[Speaker 2] (30:05 - 30:07)
So that includes the drinking water system,

[Speaker 2] (30:07 - 30:08)
the wastewater system,

[Speaker 2] (30:08 - 30:09)
storm water system,

[Speaker 2] (30:09 - 30:13)
and groundwater, including the under drains.

[Speaker 2] (30:13 - 30:40)
So it's pretty broad charge and the committee is to develop reliable subject matter expertise related to the town's water resources and work with the director of public works and engineering consultants to develop and recommend make recommendations to the select board on plans policies and procedures on more or less complying with various state and federal regulations ms4 the consent decree other clean water act requirements

[Speaker 2] (30:41 - 30:57)
So again we've been, uh the committee was established um in November of '23. The select board appointed committee members in January of '24. We have eight voting members currently including the director of public works and our committee meets monthly.

[Speaker 2] (30:58 - 30:59)
Next slide.

[Speaker 2] (31:01 - 31:07)
I won't go through all of this, it's all on the website. Um but as a point of background our mission

[Speaker 2] (31:08 - 31:16)
As established by the Select Board when the committee was created is to review the Asset Management Plan that was developed by a client,

[Speaker 2] (31:16 - 31:26)
Client Feather in 2024 as part of grants and the associated capital improvement plan that is included with the Asset Management Plan and comment on priorities and recommendations.

[Speaker 2] (31:28 - 31:42)
To work with the Director of Public Works and the Town Consultants at this time is Klinefelder to research and understand historical water sewer and under drain repairs or rehab and potential causes of illicit discharge.

[Speaker 2] (31:43 - 31:55)
Review all IDDE investigation and remediation plans for Stacy's Brook and the areas beyond Stacy's Brook and make recommendations for plans, timelines,

[Speaker 2] (31:55 - 31:56)
and funding.

[Speaker 2] (31:56 - 32:00)
Engage with DPW consulting engineers,

[Speaker 2] (32:00 - 32:02)
DEP and EPA to monitor, review,

[Speaker 2] (32:02 - 32:04)
and report on

[Speaker 2] (32:04 - 32:15)
plans and progress toward goals to evaluate bringing groundwater wastewater and stormwater systems into compliance and recommend funding solutions next

[Speaker 2] (32:18 - 32:23)
Engage with neighboring communities to uncover opportunities that could benefit from regionalization,

[Speaker 2] (32:24 - 32:30)
monitor and report any new state or federal policies that could affect how the town manages water resources,

[Speaker 2] (32:31 - 32:33)
coordinate with other town committees,

[Speaker 2] (32:33 - 32:45)
climate action planning committee and open space and others and look for opportunities to collaborate and establish community outreach and education for all matters relating to stormwater management and other.

[Speaker 2] (32:45 - 32:45)
related issues.

[Speaker 2] (32:46 - 32:47)
Next slide.

[Speaker 2] (32:49 - 32:54)
So at the time that the purpose and mission was established,

[Speaker 2] (32:54 - 32:57)
a set of very specific goals for our committee

[Speaker 2] (32:58 - 32:59)
was established as well.

[Speaker 2] (33:00 - 33:24)
In terms of the desire to seek feedback from the board and the sound administrator and others on priorities going forward, we wanted to offer that we take a look at some of the original goals and look at perhaps aligning our goals better with the priorities for the town and the community going forward.

[Speaker 2] (33:25 - 33:31)
and in particular these the what's on the screen are the sewer specific goals and the primary

[Speaker 2] (33:32 - 33:36)
The primary issue as I see it, as the committee sees it,

[Speaker 2] (33:36 - 33:38)
is that many of the goals,

[Speaker 2] (33:39 - 33:42)
which really serve the way we're going to measure how,

[Speaker 2] (33:42 - 33:46)
prioritize our work and how we're going to measure success,

[Speaker 2] (33:46 - 33:47)
the committee's success,

[Speaker 2] (33:47 - 33:53)
is whether or not we achieve these goals. So many of these goals are actually consultants'

[Speaker 2] (33:53 - 33:54)
deliverables.

[Speaker 2] (33:54 - 34:01)
They're not really in keeping with what the mission of the committee is.

[Speaker 2] (34:01 - 34:20)
I just wanted to start that conversation in terms of trying to refine and really refresh what success looks like for our committee and what collectively with the town administrator, the select board and other committees we want to focus on. So in this case, as it stands currently,

[Speaker 2] (34:20 - 34:28)
the sewer specific goals are to review I&I, historical and current rates. That's definitely a shared task.

[Speaker 2] (34:28 - 34:33)
ask that the committee and the town and the town's consultant can collaborate on.

[Speaker 2] (34:33 - 34:43)
The second sewer specific goal is to complete a town-wide infiltration and inflow study and to use those results to prioritize sewer activities for the next five years.

[Speaker 2] (34:44 - 34:49)
That type of a study is something that would be prepared by the consultant,

[Speaker 2] (34:49 - 34:51)
that would be a consultant-led activity.

[Speaker 2] (34:53 - 35:02)
Next is to develop a roadmap to follow on investigations that is referred to as in the goals as a sanitary sewer evaluation study,

[Speaker 2] (35:02 - 35:05)
also a consultant-led deliverable.

[Speaker 2] (35:06 - 35:13)
Refine the capital improvement plan to eliminate I&I and renew the aging system and eliminate sources of sewage in the drainage system,

[Speaker 2] (35:13 - 35:15)
also a consultant-led deliverable.

[Speaker 2] (35:16 - 35:19)
Study the issue around private sewer laterals and develop...

[Speaker 2] (35:19 - 35:32)
develop a policy or program that citizens can utilize to inspect and repair their laterals and discuss how to fund that I think is pretty squarely a committee advisory committee task next

[Speaker 2] (35:35 - 35:40)
These are the drain specific goals and who would lead such an activity.

[Speaker 2] (35:41 - 35:46)
Recommend an annual operating budget to comply with annual NIPTE stormwater permit requirements.

[Speaker 2] (35:46 - 35:51)
That's definitely a shared goal that we could collaborate with all the stakeholders on.

[Speaker 2] (35:51 - 35:54)
Assess the condition of the drainage system,

[Speaker 2] (35:54 - 35:57)
primarily a consultant-led activity.

[Speaker 2] (35:57 - 36:01)
Develop a roadmap for investigations into the drainage system.

[Speaker 2] (36:01 - 36:07)
consultant-led ongoing training of DPW staff to perform outbound inspections,

[Speaker 2] (36:07 - 36:30)
consultant-led explore institution of a stormwater enterprise fund to create dedicated revenue to source and fund activities. That would be an advisory task that we have undertaken and we have developed some recommendations internally with our committee regarding stormwater enterprise.

[Speaker 2] (36:30 - 36:31)
just enterprise fund opportunities.

[Speaker 2] (36:32 - 36:37)
Advance understanding of the vulnerability and exposure to climate change related to flooding.

[Speaker 2] (36:37 - 36:39)
Shared goal.

[Speaker 2] (36:40 - 36:43)
Evaluate green space and other opportunities for stormwater reduction.

[Speaker 2] (36:44 - 36:46)
A committee-led activity.

[Speaker 2] (36:47 - 36:50)
Develop comprehensive stormwater management plan.

[Speaker 2] (36:50 - 36:54)
Consultant-led. And there is an existing stormwater management plan currently.

[Speaker 2] (36:56 - 36:56)
Next slide.

[Speaker 2] (36:59 - 37:09)
So why goal alignment is needed is that we would, you know, most of these goals are technical engineering deliverables that the consultant is preparing.

[Speaker 2] (37:09 - 37:25)
So our committee's value is in reviewing the deliverables, coordinating with the director of public works, the town administrator, and helping select or to prioritize actions and funding needs. And aligning these goals ensures that our committee can deliver meaningful impact.

[Speaker 2] (37:25 - 37:45)
input on planning prioritization compliance and community engagement the committee is proposing to work with the select board the town administrator and the director of public works to reset the goals so that they better match the committee's mission and the town's priorities next that aside

[Speaker 2] (37:47 - 37:48)
In fiscal 26,

[Speaker 2] (37:48 - 38:06)
the focus areas that we're actively working on currently include the sewer lateral bylaw, which was developed and withdrawn from town meeting last year that's being refreshed and with the intent to submit for May town meeting.

[Speaker 2] (38:07 - 38:09)
Developing sampling strategies.

[Speaker 2] (38:09 - 38:15)
George Allen is amazing and has put forward some excellent.

[Speaker 2] (38:15 - 38:16)
One suggestion.

[Speaker 2] (38:16 - 38:31)
So we have a sampling work group on our committee and we have two folks that have extensive backgrounds in environmental sampling and they have also, as our whole committee has reviewed George's recommendation.

[Speaker 3] (38:45 - 38:45)
still on mute. One second.

[Speaker 4] (38:46 - 38:47)
You might have to unmute yourself.

[Speaker 2] (38:49 - 38:50)
I undid it.

[Speaker 2] (38:51 - 38:52)
Did I mute myself?

[Speaker 3] (38:52 - 38:53)
Oh, no. Type in.

[Speaker 2] (38:56 - 38:57)
Sometimes I should mute myself.

[Speaker 2] (38:57 - 38:59)
Did you catch the beginning part?

[Speaker 3] (39:00 - 39:00)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (39:00 - 39:04)
we got to developing sample strategies and I think,

[Speaker 2] (39:04 - 39:05)
Yes, yes.

[Speaker 3] (39:05 - 39:06)
yes, we did that one.

[Speaker 2] (39:06 - 39:06)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (39:07 - 39:15)
Good, yes, so we have a work group that, and we have reviewed as a committee George's submission and recommendations,

[Speaker 2] (39:15 - 39:16)
and we concur,

[Speaker 2] (39:16 - 39:33)
and we are developing a written letter to the select board reacting to that and adding some additional recommendations to expand sampling strategies to go beyond, in addition to and beyond Stacy's Brooke culverts.

[Speaker 2] (39:33 - 39:44)
We are working on consent decree compliance progress monitoring and really trying to shepherd the 10 years of work that's been done on the system to date and really trying to get.

[Speaker 1] (39:50 - 40:01)
how far we've come and kind of come up with some more concrete quantitative metrics to assess where we are progress wise.

[Speaker 1] (40:02 - 40:07)
We have reviewed the 2024 asset management plan and discussed it in detail.

[Speaker 1] (40:08 - 40:10)
We have feedback on that.

[Speaker 1] (40:10 - 40:13)
I have another slide that will come after this.

[Speaker 1] (40:14 - 40:17)
We've got folks working on water system evaluation,

[Speaker 1] (40:17 - 40:20)
looking at accounted for water losses.

[Speaker 1] (40:20 - 40:28)
On average, the town loses about 23% of the water that we buy from MWRA doesn't make its way to the wastewater treatment plant.

[Speaker 1] (40:28 - 40:29)
About 23% is lost.

[Speaker 1] (40:30 - 40:52)
We're looking at discussing options for water and water system analysis flow and modeling and flow analysis to identify portions of the system that are most vulnerable to potential low flow and corrosion issues that could result in

[Speaker 1] (40:53 - 40:57)
compromise fire protection and other consequences of failure.

[Speaker 1] (40:58 - 41:01)
And members of our committee,

[Speaker 1] (41:01 - 41:19)
Ralph Sipay, has been working very hard with Mark and Gino going through 5,000 lead service tie cars to help the town try to minimize or eliminate the potential to have to

[Speaker 1] (41:19 - 41:43)
and dig pits to try to verify the absence or confirm that there's no lead water service across town as part of an EPA requirement. So there's a fair amount going on that our committee is focused on for this year and in addition we would like to strengthen coordination with the select board,

[Speaker 1] (41:43 - 41:44)
the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (41:44 - 41:45)
DPW and other committees.

[Speaker 1] (41:45 - 42:10)
and we do want to note obviously the beach and the beaches are an enormous priority they aren't the only priority of the committee but they are a huge priority for the committee but we just wanted to I don't know if the select board is aware if the town administrator is aware but the water and sewer we don't have the water and sewer infrastructure Advisory Committee does

[Speaker 1] (42:11 - 42:15)
It has not been invited to be a member of the King's Speech Steering Committee,

[Speaker 1] (42:15 - 42:20)
so we are not firsthand privy to those conversations. We are not on that committee.

[Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:22)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (42:25 - 42:28)
So as we see it, some key observations and opportunities.

[Speaker 1] (42:31 - 42:33)
First up, the 2024 Asset Management Plan.

[Speaker 1] (42:34 - 42:36)
The Asset Management Plan was prepared.

[Speaker 1] (42:38 - 42:39)
From grant funding,

[Speaker 1] (42:39 - 42:45)
that client felt or helped the town secure to put together its first ever asset management plan,

[Speaker 1] (42:45 - 42:49)
which is an enormous step forward to have a plan.

[Speaker 1] (42:50 - 42:54)
There are, of course, with any first pass on a plan,

[Speaker 1] (42:54 - 42:58)
there are gaps and there are opportunities that we have.

[Speaker 1] (42:58 - 43:02)
I will say with respect to the gaps, the Mass DEP.

[Speaker 1] (43:03 - 43:31)
who gave the grant funding for the development of the asset management plan has specific criteria to be to be eligible for the grant funding which which the project met so in our you know technical review of the asset management plan and our feedback doesn't mean that that the plan didn't satisfy the criteria that mass DEP put out it did and it received that funding but so what we're sharing are

[Speaker 1] (43:31 - 43:32)
our observations and gaps.

[Speaker 1] (43:33 - 43:41)
So first up, the risk associated, there's a risk assessment associated with the asset management plan.

[Speaker 1] (43:41 - 43:47)
There's risk, likelihood of failure, and consequence of failure that derives a risk approach.

[Speaker 1] (43:48 - 43:49)
And for the most part,

[Speaker 1] (43:50 - 43:52)
did I do it again? I hear an echo.

[Speaker 1] (43:53 - 43:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (43:55 - 43:56)
The

[Speaker 1] (43:57 - 44:00)
You know, the infrastructure here is old.

[Speaker 1] (44:00 - 44:02)
We don't have most of the records,

[Speaker 1] (44:02 - 44:05)
the extent to which we have records are written and they're older.

[Speaker 1] (44:05 - 44:11)
So most of the risk assessment is based on estimated age and material.

[Speaker 1] (44:12 - 44:15)
There's lots of different...

[Speaker 1] (44:15 - 44:24)
Ways to, depending on the level of granularity and information that you have for a risk assessment of any sort, including an asset management plan,

[Speaker 1] (44:24 - 44:29)
they can be more or less accurate depending on the data upon which it is based.

[Speaker 1] (44:29 - 44:37)
In our case, this asset management plan is based predominantly on estimated age and material and there are gaps there.

[Speaker 1] (44:37 - 44:42)
There are, you know, assumptions that could be refined and there's.

[Speaker 1] (44:42 - 45:04)
There's other data that we, as we make improvements to the system, you know, could in an ideal world be memorialized in an asset management software or some other way to more efficiently track upgrades and failures and improvements,

[Speaker 1] (45:04 - 45:08)
replacements, repairs that are made as we go forward.

[Speaker 1] (45:08 - 45:09)
So that's a gap.

[Speaker 1] (45:11 - 45:12)
There are some missing,

[Speaker 1] (45:12 - 45:18)
there are also some missing assets that are not identified in the plan.

[Speaker 1] (45:18 - 45:28)
But it is a starting point and it does gives us a fairly complete inventory and a place to begin and to evolve it from there.

[Speaker 1] (45:28 - 45:33)
The risk prioritization method in this sort of

[Speaker 1] (45:33 - 45:41)
High-level asset management plan treats the different systems equally in terms of the water system,

[Speaker 1] (45:41 - 45:43)
the storm water system,

[Speaker 1] (45:43 - 45:52)
and the wastewater system. There isn't, the consequence of failure is treated equally between the three systems, so it doesn't distinguish in terms of

[Speaker 1] (45:53 - 45:56)
prioritizing projects and prioritizing funding.

[Speaker 1] (45:56 - 46:11)
It doesn't really distinguish that a potential consequence of failure of the drinking water system may be higher than the consequence of failure of a stormwater system. So it doesn't get into that.

[Speaker 1] (46:12 - 46:24)
And it does lack some detail that would be needed to further refine a better understanding of system risks and project priorities.

[Speaker 1] (46:26 - 46:29)
It also provides an opportunity, now that it exists,

[Speaker 1] (46:30 - 46:30)
the plan exists.

[Speaker 1] (46:32 - 46:48)
There it provides opportunities to explore other other options to see grant funding for this is just one example. There are other opportunities, but one example would be to see grant funding for an asset management software tool to better support environmental compliance and planning,

[Speaker 1] (46:49 - 46:59)
emergency response funding applications and to, you know, continually over time feed more information into what we have as a baseline asset.

[Speaker 1] (46:59 - 47:00)
asset management plan,

[Speaker 1] (47:00 - 47:06)
since improvements and failures and repairs and other issues are a dynamic situation,

[Speaker 1] (47:07 - 47:08)
this plan is static.

[Speaker 1] (47:09 - 47:22)
If we can find a way to efficiently keep track of the information as we learn and make repairs in a dynamic system,

[Speaker 1] (47:22 - 47:23)
we can improve,

[Speaker 1] (47:23 - 47:24)
we can evolve.

[Speaker 1] (47:24 - 47:26)
the asset management plan.

[Speaker 1] (47:28 - 47:30)
In terms of the water system,

[Speaker 1] (47:30 - 47:33)
I just mentioned a little on the previous slide,

[Speaker 1] (47:33 - 47:34)
we do have,

[Speaker 1] (47:34 - 47:36)
every town does have, as do we,

[Speaker 1] (47:36 - 47:46)
an ongoing water balance loss. We lose 20 some odd percent of the water that we get from MWAR on an annual basis.

[Speaker 1] (47:46 - 47:53)
So we have an opportunity to kind of look into that further and see if we can reduce that.

[Speaker 1] (47:54 - 48:05)
And as well as address any weaknesses in potential future fire protection and confirm that we don't have any lead service lines at this point.

[Speaker 1] (48:05 - 48:13)
We haven't found any and there's the data to date about 40% of the way through the tie cards,

[Speaker 1] (48:14 - 48:15)
the water service tie cards.

[Speaker 1] (48:15 - 48:21)
There isn't an indication that we have lead service lines in Swapscot, but more work is needed to get through the.

[Speaker 1] (48:21 - 48:24)
to get through the entire inventory.

[Speaker 1] (48:25 - 48:29)
I think I mentioned this on the previous slide. With respect to governance,

[Speaker 1] (48:29 - 48:43)
we would suggest that there be some coordination with other committees and ongoing efforts like the King Speech Steering Committee.

[Speaker 1] (48:44 - 48:44)
Next.

[Speaker 1] (48:49 - 48:49)
All right,

[Speaker 1] (48:49 - 49:09)
so the feedback that we are requesting from the select board is thoughts and feedback on, you know, an approval to kind of revisit and refine the committee's goal to align it with our mission and the town's priorities as they are right now.

[Speaker 1] (49:10 - 49:14)
Seek some direction on the expectations for our committee's coordination.

[Speaker 1] (49:15 - 49:16)
Would the select board,

[Speaker 1] (49:16 - 49:17)
the town administrator,

[Speaker 1] (49:17 - 49:19)
and the director of public works and other committees,

[Speaker 1] (49:20 - 49:26)
and to clarify our committee's role in ongoing work like the King Speech Steering Committee.

[Speaker 1] (49:27 - 49:29)
I think that's the last one.

[Speaker 2] (49:31 - 49:32)
That is

[Speaker 1] (49:34 - 49:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (49:35 - 49:35)
There we go.

[Speaker 1] (49:35 - 49:36)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (49:39 - 49:40)
Okay. Thank you, Kelly,

[Speaker 2] (49:40 - 49:42)
for the presentation.

[Speaker 2] (49:42 - 49:43)
Brian,

[Speaker 2] (49:43 - 49:46)
did you have anything you wanted to add before we moved on to select board discussion?

[Speaker 2] (49:48 - 49:49)
Not to put you on the spot,

[Speaker 2] (49:49 - 49:50)
but just because you're here.

[Speaker 3] (49:52 - 49:53)
If you don't mind, Kelly,

[Speaker 3] (49:53 - 49:59)
I just want to elaborate on a few things that you said. I'm Brian Drummond, Vice Chair of the Water and Sewer Committee.

[Speaker 3] (50:00 - 50:15)
And I don't know, first I'd like to praise the select board, the town administrator and Kelly because I think we have a phenomenal committee. They're just highly technical people and want to do numbers, want to do reviews and we have people in the industry,

[Speaker 3] (50:15 - 50:21)
people that do statistical analysis and been involved with testing.

[Speaker 3] (50:22 - 50:25)
That being said, we seem to always wrestle with

[Speaker 3] (50:26 - 50:27)
In our mission statement,

[Speaker 4] (50:27 - 50:27)
Mission statement.

[Speaker 3] (50:27 - 50:40)
the word review, and the question is, okay, so are we reviewing a finished report, or can we review the draft and maybe make that report better?

[Speaker 3] (50:41 - 50:45)
And we weren't allowed to review the UV pilot,

[Speaker 3] (50:45 - 50:46)
King's

[Speaker 3] (50:48 - 50:48)
Beach report,

[Speaker 3] (50:49 - 50:50)
and make comments. We just...

[Speaker 3] (50:52 - 51:18)
got something afterwards, and and I think if the committee had been allowed to review that report, it would have been a better report and that it would have had perhaps more Swamscott focus, would have had better charts rather Swamscott, it would have been a statistical analysis, would have had a better recommendation, would have talked about, you know Kleinfilter, you know was in the plan to measure the volume from the

[Speaker 3] (51:19 - 51:22)
swamp's good and then Lynn Culver's was something happened with the pump ender and then

[Speaker 3] (51:24 - 51:30)
you know at high tide the ocean came over the where wall and we were pumping in

[Speaker 3] (51:31 - 51:40)
sea water we were processing sea water through the uv system and we were clogging the system with seaweed and somehow nobody had

[Speaker 3] (51:41 - 51:44)
the authority to stop the test and make

[Speaker 3] (51:44 - 52:02)
the right question corrections which would have been turning the pumps off at high tide. And so, you know, there was a the whole way the r testing was run that it needed to have, you know, a test or or test person that had that that authority. Um

[Speaker 3] (52:05 - 52:09)
we did vote on the committee to meetings go, you know, to ask the board

[Speaker 3] (52:10 - 52:36)
to going forward that the town, the state and the feds asked them to do separate testing and the swamps could culvert because, you know, the positive thing of that U_V_ project last summer was for the first time we got the swamps with bacteria numbers separate from when they combined on the beach. And so what we saw from that was that we're in pretty good shape and making great progress. And

[Speaker 3] (52:37 - 52:47)
But you can't do that if you don't have that number separate and that you know the state has to do it the feds have to do it and the town has to do it and the sewer has to ask you to take care of that.

[Speaker 3] (52:49 - 53:04)
The sewer lateral bylaw is coming we'll probably vote on it the next meeting but it's going to need to have a quick turnaround with town council going through it and then presenting to the select board if we're going to make the May town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (53:05 - 53:06)
um

[Speaker 3] (53:07 - 53:19)
and the huge water loss of twenty three percent makes no sense to me and I think I think we have too many water main failures and

[Speaker 3] (53:21 - 53:32)
and I don't know why and in an ideal world the asset management report would have pointed out those pipes as red and being going to fail and you would

[Speaker 3] (53:32 - 53:59)
fix them before they failed. And you know the hardest thing to do is it's easy to fix stuff once they fail, but it's a huge cost. And the hardest thing you wanna fix it the day before it fails, but that's hard also. But that's where you wanna be in the asset management report in plan, you know, has to be updated constantly so you can adjust it and and make those those changes and and if another

[Speaker 3] (53:59 - 54:25)
pipe looks similar to one that just failed where you g you look at and you fix it and that's why you use the report. And the last thing I'll say is and it's kinda off topic but maybe not is that the town noise by-law is not correct and somebody's gotta update it because it's in the it's using the wrong units and it doesn't

[Speaker 3] (54:25 - 54:41)
include the amount of the noise level above ambient. You know, that was one of the big problems at the King's Beach UV pilot programme, it's the the you know an me the noise met the limit when you got traffic and everything going, but

[Speaker 3] (54:42 - 54:52)
two in the morning it was too high above that ambient level, and that's has to get added to the swamps good noise by-law.

[Speaker 3] (54:52 - 54:55)
So that's just it's related but not.

[Speaker 2] (54:57 - 54:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (54:58 - 54:58)
That's all.

[Speaker 2] (55:00 - 55:10)
Okay, so I guess how do we all wanna start this discussion? 'Cause I think the committee's asked for us to give feedback on

[Speaker 5] (55:10 - 55:10)
Back.

[Speaker 2] (55:10 - 55:11)
the three s

[Speaker 6] (55:13 - 55:15)
Could we post can we read could we

[Speaker 2] (55:15 - 55:16)
Yep, could you put the um

[Speaker 6] (55:16 - 55:17)
slide that slide

[Speaker 2] (55:17 - 55:17)
slide

[Speaker 6] (55:17 - 55:17)
up again?

[Speaker 2] (55:17 - 55:18)
back up. Sorry.

[Speaker 5] (55:18 - 55:18)
Gimme a second.

[Speaker 6] (55:18 - 55:19)
No we could.

[Speaker 2] (55:20 - 55:23)
I said feedback and then I could hear myself. So I thought it was an irony happening.

[Speaker 2] (55:25 - 55:26)
So I'll read them real quick.

[Speaker 2] (55:26 - 55:33)
They've asked for approval to revisit and refine the goals to align with the missions and town priorities.

[Speaker 2] (55:33 - 55:36)
They've asked for direction on expectations for coordination with ourselves,

[Speaker 2] (55:37 - 55:37)
the town administrator,

[Speaker 2] (55:37 - 55:41)
the DPW director and other committees.

[Speaker 2] (55:41 - 55:47)
And then they've asked for clarification on their role in ongoing work like King's Beach Steering Committee.

[Speaker 2] (55:48 - 55:52)
I mean I I think the easiest one is the last one to be honest.

[Speaker 7] (55:52 - 55:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (55:53 - 55:56)
Um so if we wanna start there I think

[Speaker 7] (55:57 - 56:01)
Well, I think we kinda have to I think we have to really kinda go far back here.

[Speaker 7] (56:02 - 56:08)
So I first wanna understand the mission and the goals that were put up on one of the previous slides. There were a number

[Speaker 2] (56:08 - 56:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (56:08 - 56:09)
of them.

[Speaker 7] (56:10 - 56:17)
Where did they come from and how far back do they date? To that who created those, like where did that where did that originate?

[Speaker 3] (56:18 - 56:20)
You think things come from Sean when

[Speaker 7] (56:20 - 56:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (56:20 - 56:21)
the committee was put together.

[Speaker 7] (56:22 - 56:26)
So he tasked you guys with the list that was previously up here.

[Speaker 3] (56:26 - 56:28)
The select board tasked at him with

[Speaker 7] (56:28 - 56:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (56:29 - 56:30)
Okay, so that was

[Speaker 3] (56:30 - 56:30)
the finance

[Speaker 7] (56:30 - 56:31)
probably

[Speaker 3] (56:31 - 56:31)
committee.

[Speaker 7] (56:31 - 56:33)
oh here we go, okay. So

[Speaker 8] (56:33 - 56:33)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 7] (56:34 - 56:35)
That's okay.

[Speaker 7] (56:36 - 56:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (56:36 - 56:41)
So are there any of these that, are they still ongoing,

[Speaker 7] (56:42 - 56:51)
right? Are any of these ones that can be removed? How far back to d I mean, I mean if these were created by Sean, what maybe three, four years ago?

[Speaker 7] (56:52 - 56:56)
Are there any that are still relevant? What is still relevant and what's not?

[Speaker 3] (56:58 - 56:58)
So Kelly,

[Speaker 7] (56:58 - 56:59)
What

[Speaker 3] (56:59 - 56:59)
do if you want

[Speaker 7] (56:59 - 56:59)
we

[Speaker 3] (56:59 - 56:59)
to

[Speaker 7] (56:59 - 56:59)
completed,

[Speaker 3] (56:59 - 57:00)
say something? Because I would

[Speaker 7] (57:00 - 57:00)
what,

[Speaker 3] (57:00 - 57:04)
I would say, you know, the the reviewing of the asset management report.

[Speaker 3] (57:04 - 57:06)
At this point, that's a one and done.

[Speaker 7] (57:06 - 57:07)
Right, so

[Speaker 3] (57:07 - 57:07)
It shouldn't,

[Speaker 7] (57:07 - 57:07)
that should come

[Speaker 3] (57:07 - 57:07)
but

[Speaker 7] (57:07 - 57:08)
off.

[Speaker 3] (57:08 - 57:08)
it shouldn't be.

[Speaker 7] (57:08 - 57:09)
It shouldn't be.

[Speaker 9] (57:09 - 57:09)
It shouldn't be.

[Speaker 3] (57:09 - 57:11)
No, it should be uh uh

[Speaker 9] (57:11 - 57:11)
Ongoing ongoing. ongoing.

[Speaker 7] (57:11 - 57:11)
Ongoing.

[Speaker 3] (57:11 - 57:12)
On going.

[Speaker 7] (57:13 - 57:16)
So maybe we need to word it a different way or

[Speaker 3] (57:16 - 57:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (57:16 - 57:16)
or.

[Speaker 7] (57:17 - 57:17)
Uh if people

[Speaker 10] (57:17 - 57:17)
I think

[Speaker 7] (57:17 - 57:18)
want my

[Speaker 10] (57:18 - 57:18)
most

[Speaker 7] (57:18 - 57:40)
problem is with with looking at these and looking at the presentation ahead of time, I was nothing but confused, right? So I think that we have to somehow simplify that so people can actually see what the original goal was, what the work was that was done, whether it's completed, whether it's outstanding, and to give us an idea of where we've been, where we're currently at and where we're striving to go, right?

[Speaker 7] (57:40 - 57:43)
That's how my mind works anyway, and I I just felt like

[Speaker 7] (57:43 - 57:47)
There were way too many of these to be manageable for any committee.

[Speaker 2] (57:47 - 57:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (57:48 - 58:03)
Um so that that's my first thought, that some of this stuff if it can come off or has been completed, let's try to let's try to get that down to a manageable level, because I just think that as much as I I commend volunteers and committees,

[Speaker 7] (58:04 - 58:08)
this is just a big it seems to me to be a whole big ask, you know,

[Speaker 2] (58:08 - 58:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (58:08 - 58:10)
um for people and whether or not

[Speaker 7] (58:10 - 58:20)
We're actually getting this stuff done or this is just kind of pie in the sky goals or, you know, what what of this is manageable. So that's kind of my first question on the goals.

[Speaker 7] (58:22 - 58:23)
What can we pare down here?

[Speaker 7] (58:23 - 58:27)
How can we make it a little bit more manageable and really understand what's been completed,

[Speaker 7] (58:27 - 58:30)
what we're still looking to do in the plan to get there.

[Speaker 7] (58:31 - 58:33)
I think a lot of these things are ongoing.

[Speaker 7] (58:33 - 58:34)
There are plans.

[Speaker 7] (58:34 - 58:36)
There are there is a roadmap.

[Speaker 7] (58:37 - 58:51)
There there are compliance efforts for NIFTYs. There are I mean many of these things are things that are Clean Water Act and MS4 and other related regulations and there will always be a need to do this work.

[Speaker 7] (58:51 - 59:04)
Most of this most of the things that say consultant-led start with a report and it evolves just like the cleaning up of the beach. We've been working on the consent decree.

[Speaker 7] (59:04 - 59:23)
Sent decree for ten years it started with a report and then it iterated and that's how we have phase one phase two a phase two B phase two C they're they're not static they're dynamic they at one point in time there is a document but work has to happen in most cases here continuously

[Speaker 11] (59:25 - 59:34)
um so in terms of crossing things off like are any of these done can we just put an x through them there might be a couple like that but i mean even the stormwater management plan

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:35)
it exists,

[Speaker 1] (59:35 - 59:36)
but it shouldn't be.

[Speaker 1] (59:37 - 59:39)
It should be evolved as

[Speaker 2] (59:39 - 59:44)
Right, but I think my bigger point is how do we get people in this town to understand where we're at,

[Speaker 2] (59:44 - 59:45)
right?

[Speaker 2] (59:45 - 59:48)
Because a common question that we get is where are we with the consent decree?

[Speaker 3] (59:49 - 59:49)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (59:49 - 59:49)
How so far

[Speaker 3] (59:49 - 59:49)
go are to

[Speaker 2] (59:49 - 59:50)
along

[Speaker 3] (59:50 - 59:50)
the

[Speaker 2] (59:50 - 59:51)
are we in that process?

[Speaker 3] (59:51 - 59:51)
next slide.

[Speaker 2] (59:51 - 59:59)
So I'm trying to figure out a way that we can make this more digestible for the 15,000 residents that live here to understand where we're at, right?

[Speaker 2] (59:59 - 1:00:00)
That's my point.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:01 - 1:00:05)
So there is there is a line on the consent decree. Can you bring it up on the which slide?

[Speaker 5] (1:00:06 - 1:00:06)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:00:06 - 1:00:07)
Slide one or two.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:08 - 1:00:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:25 - 1:00:27)
The consent decree is,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:28 - 1:00:30)
the termination clause is,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:30 - 1:00:32)
it's, the termination clause is,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:32 - 1:00:41)
it's very difficult to, there's not a line in the sand that's very clear in the regulatory language in the consent decree that says you will be done when you hit this point.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:41 - 1:00:43)
You will be done when you comply.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:43 - 1:00:48)
And in terms of where are we, we are working on

[Speaker 4] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
that.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
I am.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:48 - 1:00:49)
We are working.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:49 - 1:00:51)
Brian's working,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:51 - 1:00:54)
that's his priority project.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:55 - 1:00:58)
There's a lot of different ways to do this. Some are more expensive than others.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:00 - 1:01:06)
One way, the Cadillac version of how do we tell people in a digestible soundbite in an elevator speech,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:07 - 1:01:08)
where are we?

[Speaker 1] (1:01:08 - 1:01:10)
How close are we to done?

[Speaker 1] (1:01:10 - 1:01:18)
And the Cadillac version of that, which the town may not be in the position to be financially to be interested in at this time,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:18 - 1:01:23)
is to have it all in a GIS system,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:23 - 1:01:25)
to basically have an alignment between,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:25 - 1:01:28)
I remember this is just an example, there's many software platforms,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:28 - 1:01:30)
this is just one,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:30 - 1:01:34)
but CityWorks is an example of a system that can align with

[Speaker 1] (1:01:35 - 1:02:01)
ArcGIS that most consulting firms use to track the remedy efforts for consent decrees associated with MS4 with the sewage getting into the storm and and all that information is all being it's always changing and and and progress and data and physical geospatial databases with where did this happen where did that happen

[Speaker 1] (1:02:01 - 1:02:26)
that happened where was this repair where was the concentration of anti here where was it there all of that data is in the geospatial database in an asset management software plan and you can you can configure it to create a report and you can actually quantitatively say we have this many linear feet of pipe we have this many manholes we have this many and it that is a much more

[Speaker 1] (1:02:27 - 1:02:40)
sophisticated and accurate way on a dashboard level to look at your screen and say oh I see we're pretty much 80% of the way there I can click here here here and I can see that's expensive

[Speaker 6] (1:02:41 - 1:02:41)
Kelly,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:41 - 1:02:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:41 - 1:02:48)
didn't, Kelly, didn't we have, didn't we have some, some version of, of what you're describing,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:49 - 1:02:54)
the geospatial data GIS system in place for testing at

[Speaker 1] (1:02:54 - 1:02:55)
we

[Speaker 6] (1:02:55 - 1:02:55)
Fisherman's Beach?

[Speaker 1] (1:02:55 - 1:02:56)
do. And yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:56 - 1:02:56)
We

[Speaker 1] (1:02:56 - 1:03:03)
Kleinfeld uses it. And we have, we have, I think we just hired a new GIS specialist in the town.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:03 - 1:03:04)
So we absolutely,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:04 - 1:03:09)
the town has access to all of that data. There is an

[Speaker 1] (1:03:09 - 1:03:13)
In terms of how could you make wheat other,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:13 - 1:03:19)
Quincy does their progress reporting electronically through a city work system.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:20 - 1:03:26)
So they can gauge where they are by a query, by generating a report in a database.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:26 - 1:03:28)
We could do that.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:29 - 1:03:49)
At the moment in the absence of funding for that and you know it's as with anything software is modular and if you really want to customize it's it adds up so Brian has basically taken the consent decree we put it in tabular form and you know it's whatever it is 30 pages long and we're

[Speaker 1] (1:03:50 - 1:03:50)
Go.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:51 - 1:03:57)
Try to more or less eventually distill it down into like a one page or like a red yellow green like a stoplight format.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:58 - 1:04:07)
But really just we don't want to, it doesn't make sense to go through 10 years of semi annual reports.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:08 - 1:04:11)
That's what in order to really say how much have we done.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:12 - 1:04:13)
What have we done.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:15 - 1:04:17)
It exists, that information exists,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:17 - 1:04:20)
but it's in report after report after report.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:20 - 1:04:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:22 - 1:04:27)
So that's what we have to do, is really kind of gauge where have we been,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:27 - 1:04:28)
where are we going,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:28 - 1:04:37)
how much of the infrastructure have we actually either sampled and determined is not problematic or repaired or replaced,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:37 - 1:04:38)
and how much haven't we?

[Speaker 7] (1:04:39 - 1:04:39)
I think.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:40 - 1:05:06)
Brian wants to jump in here, but I think what's difficult, which we when we developed this committee to go in this direction, we all understood that this was almost insurmountable because we were asking you to do something that number one we've never done before. So you're creating from full cloth. Outside of water sewer rates we've never we never really took some of these matters into consideration. And then in addition to that

[Speaker 8] (1:05:07 - 1:05:11)
As Kelly so eloquently stated many times in this presentation,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:11 - 1:05:18)
this is a dynamic situation, right? We're constantly upgrading things and things are constantly getting older.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:18 - 1:05:21)
So when things like that happen,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:21 - 1:05:22)
uh...

[Speaker 8] (1:05:23 - 1:05:25)
When you have a stagnant report,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:25 - 1:05:28)
how are you able to really show the public,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:28 - 1:05:30)
yes, we did this report a year ago,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:30 - 1:05:34)
but we also did these 27 things between then and now,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:34 - 1:05:35)
some good, some bad,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:35 - 1:05:36)
and this is where we are today,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:37 - 1:05:38)
if you don't have,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:38 - 1:05:38)
you know,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:38 - 1:05:39)
a system to do that.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:40 - 1:05:42)
In lieu of spending the money on a system,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:42 - 1:05:43)
we have to either,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:43 - 1:05:49)
you know, give some grace or Brian has had to stand up for many moments and is eager to say something about this.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:51 - 1:05:52)
So I think it's very simple.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:52 - 1:05:54)
Every six months,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:54 - 1:05:57)
Kleinfelder does a report that goes to the EPA,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:57 - 1:05:59)
300 pages long,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:59 - 1:06:01)
a lot of information, what they did and what's going on.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:02 - 1:06:08)
And I've asked them to put in that report where we are relative to the consent decree.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:09 - 1:06:14)
The problem is I don't have the authority to ask them that because

[Speaker 4] (1:06:15 - 1:06:26)
We're just an advisory committee and you know it's like well, so I want to sit down with Kleinfeldt because there's only 19 paragraphs in section seven of the consent decree.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:26 - 1:06:33)
And a lot of the paragraphs say by September 1, 2017 you must have done this.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:33 - 1:06:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:33 - 1:06:37)
So those should be easy to check off and say we're done.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:37 - 1:06:41)
But nobody's doing that and I can't get a meeting with Kleinfeldt.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:41 - 1:06:48)
to sit down with the top person and go through that that list because somehow

[Speaker 8] (1:06:48 - 1:06:48)
So,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:48 - 1:06:48)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:06:48 - 1:06:48)
we can't

[Speaker 2] (1:06:48 - 1:06:49)
at

[Speaker 4] (1:06:49 - 1:06:49)
meet with client

[Speaker 2] (1:06:49 - 1:06:49)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:06:49 - 1:06:49)
falter.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:49 - 1:07:02)
point, see this is where I think Nick should be interjecting, right, because I think that it it should be on the T_A_'s responsibility to get Kleinfelter and do exactly what Brian is trying to do. That would be my suggestion here.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:02 - 1:07:02)
Well I in

[Speaker 8] (1:07:02 - 1:07:02)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:07:02 - 1:07:07)
con in conjunction and coordination with the D_P_W_ director who's been here since they were

[Speaker 2] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
elected

[Speaker 2] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
of course,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
but

[Speaker 8] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
here.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
but

[Speaker 8] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
The

[Speaker 2] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
yeah, right,

[Speaker 8] (1:07:07 - 1:07:08)
the director.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:08 - 1:07:08)
but if it's historical,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:08 - 1:07:08)
okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:08 - 1:07:09)
Yeah, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
right,

[Speaker 8] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:09 - 1:07:10)
They can help with the history.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
A historian,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
The team

[Speaker 4] (1:07:10 - 1:07:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:11 - 1:07:11)
leader.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:11 - 1:07:11)
of course.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:11 - 1:07:16)
so the six month report, March one twenty six twenty twenty six is done.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:16 - 1:07:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:16 - 1:07:20)
It's gotta be on the D_P_W_ website today, tomorrow, the next day.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:21 - 1:07:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:21 - 1:07:30)
And I asked them in my comments to that report to include, you know, a schedule where we are and when we're to be when we're to go to

[Speaker 4] (1:07:31 - 1:07:34)
Article nineteen requesting

[Speaker 4] (1:07:35 - 1:07:36)
relief from the consent

[Speaker 2] (1:07:36 - 1:07:36)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (1:07:36 - 1:07:36)
decree.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:36 - 1:07:36)
-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:36 - 1:07:40)
And and they said they thought it was too early to do that.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:41 - 1:07:42)
Who's it? Klinefelder said

[Speaker 8] (1:07:42 - 1:07:42)
Klinefelder

[Speaker 2] (1:07:42 - 1:07:42)
that?

[Speaker 4] (1:07:42 - 1:07:42)
Of course

[Speaker 8] (1:07:42 - 1:07:43)
said they that.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:43 - 1:07:43)
did.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:43 - 1:08:00)
yeah. But I think but I think I and I you know what do I know but I think by the end of all the construction and work and the money you're spending this summer Exactly. in the fall you're 90% there and I think I think it I think we should be

[Speaker 4] (1:08:00 - 1:08:02)
putting that together and

[Speaker 4] (1:08:05 - 1:08:08)
you know, start the first cycle of going to the EPA and and see

[Speaker 2] (1:08:08 - 1:08:08)
I totally

[Speaker 4] (1:08:08 - 1:08:09)
if we're

[Speaker 2] (1:08:09 - 1:08:10)
totally agree with you.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:10 - 1:08:15)
see if we're on track or not, 'cause a lot of times, you know, you're out you're in there thinking here and you gotta start

[Speaker 2] (1:08:15 - 1:08:15)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:15 - 1:08:20)
cycle of communica you know, okay, well well, you know, and then you know w what to do to finish it.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:20 - 1:08:20)
I Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:20 - 1:08:22)
think I think we should be doing that this fall.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:22 - 1:08:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:23 - 1:08:31)
Alright, we sort of veered away from what uh this is a great conversation. I don't disagree. We pla we're in the section of goals.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:32 - 1:08:44)
I mean, is it the will of your committee that you want us to dictate new goals or you just want the ability to come back with suggestions for what you'd like goals to be?

[Speaker 4] (1:08:45 - 1:08:45)
So.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:46 - 1:08:48)
We can come back with suggestions,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:48 - 1:08:49)
but

[Speaker 8] (1:08:49 - 1:08:49)
Yeah, we didn't

[Speaker 1] (1:08:49 - 1:08:50)
we want to, you

[Speaker 8] (1:08:50 - 1:08:51)
dictate

[Speaker 1] (1:08:51 - 1:08:52)
know, we're acting in a vacuum.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:52 - 1:08:54)
them in the first place.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:54 - 1:08:54)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:54 - 1:09:00)
Like we didn't give a list of all these goals originally. These goals came from development with the town administrator,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:00 - 1:09:01)
David.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:01 - 1:09:07)
Well, they did – they came in coordination and conjunction with the town administrator,

[Speaker 6] (1:09:07 - 1:09:10)
the original committee and the DPW director.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:11 - 1:09:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:11 - 1:09:15)
They were brought in front of this board in at some point in 23 and or early

[Speaker 8] (1:09:15 - 1:09:16)
But I mean we

[Speaker 6] (1:09:16 - 1:09:16)
24.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:16 - 1:09:17)
didn't draft them to

[Speaker 6] (1:09:17 - 1:09:17)
No,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:17 - 1:09:17)
come

[Speaker 6] (1:09:17 - 1:09:17)
no,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:17 - 1:09:17)
up with them.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:17 - 1:09:17)
no, we didn't

[Speaker 8] (1:09:17 - 1:09:18)
Like they were suggestions

[Speaker 6] (1:09:18 - 1:09:18)
draft them, but we

[Speaker 8] (1:09:18 - 1:09:18)
from

[Speaker 6] (1:09:18 - 1:09:19)
did, we

[Speaker 8] (1:09:19 - 1:09:20)
people who knew more than we did,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:20 - 1:09:21)
is what I'm trying to say.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:21 - 1:09:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:21 - 1:09:25)
And I mean that's the whole reason you guys exist, right,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:25 - 1:09:27)
is because we don't have,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:27 - 1:09:29)
we weren't and we don't have the ability.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:34 - 1:09:41)
And it wouldn't be prudent for us to tell you what your goals should be without doing that. You guys are doing that.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:42 - 1:09:52)
So my suggestion would be then for you guys to go ahead and realign new goals and then come to a conclusion as a committee of what those goals are and then.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:53 - 1:10:01)
report back to us either through David or through us that you're set and this is the direction you think you want to go in and we can have another public discussion about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:03 - 1:10:03)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:10:03 - 1:10:19)
I think I think what we need what I think the committee needs because we spend so much time discussing whether we have the authority to review the draft from Kleinfeld or Kings Beach or whatever or whether we can only review the finished product I think we need clarification.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:20 - 1:10:22)
and what review means.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:24 - 1:10:24)
And I and I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:10:24 - 1:10:25)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:25 - 1:10:45)
gonna say it straight out if if you know if you want if you're if you're putting together a technical committee with a lot of people that have been through a lot of peer reviews and a lot of testing and a lot of hammering out with people you know the committees you know we're not the people that are gonna check grammar and do this and the other. We're the we're the people that's gonna

[Speaker 1] (1:10:45 - 1:10:46)
I mean not

[Speaker 2] (1:10:46 - 1:10:46)
make

[Speaker 1] (1:10:46 - 1:10:46)
to sound

[Speaker 2] (1:10:46 - 1:10:46)
things

[Speaker 1] (1:10:46 - 1:10:46)
flippant,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:46 - 1:10:47)
better and do the

[Speaker 1] (1:10:47 - 1:10:47)
Seinfeld

[Speaker 2] (1:10:47 - 1:10:47)
report.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:47 - 1:10:48)
or works for who?

[Speaker 2] (1:10:49 - 1:10:49)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:49 - 1:10:50)
Twelfth Elder works for the

[Speaker 1] (1:10:50 - 1:10:51)
The town

[Speaker 3] (1:10:51 - 1:10:51)
Department

[Speaker 4] (1:10:51 - 1:10:51)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:10:51 - 1:10:51)
of Swampscott.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:51 - 1:10:51)
of Records.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:51 - 1:10:51)
right.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:51 - 1:10:52)
The town administrator.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:52 - 1:10:56)
Right, the town the town of Swampscott, you are an extension of the select board.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:57 - 1:11:01)
And so I don't see why that's an issue today.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:01 - 1:11:01)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:11:01 - 1:11:02)
It's too thin.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:02 - 1:11:03)
I don't see why that should be

[Speaker 3] (1:11:03 - 1:11:03)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:11:03 - 1:11:03)
an

[Speaker 3] (1:11:03 - 1:11:03)
only

[Speaker 1] (1:11:03 - 1:11:03)
issue

[Speaker 3] (1:11:03 - 1:11:03)
distinction

[Speaker 1] (1:11:03 - 1:11:04)
going forward.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:04 - 1:11:08)
on the report which I don't want to I would like to focus on what we can do going forward

[Speaker 1] (1:11:08 - 1:11:08)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:08 - 1:11:10)
that would be the best practice

[Speaker 3] (1:11:11 - 1:11:15)
The contract, I believe, for the U_V_ was we paid a portion, they are

[Speaker 1] (1:11:15 - 1:11:16)
Oh, that's

[Speaker 5] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
paying

[Speaker 1] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
that's

[Speaker 5] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
that that

[Speaker 1] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
much,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:16 - 1:11:17)
that's but separate.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:17 - 1:11:18)
we're just talking about

[Speaker 1] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
So I'm

[Speaker 5] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
just

[Speaker 3] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
six

[Speaker 1] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
saying

[Speaker 3] (1:11:18 - 1:11:18)
I'm just saying

[Speaker 5] (1:11:18 - 1:11:19)
months of reports.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:19 - 1:11:20)
when he Yes, when it was a six

[Speaker 1] (1:11:20 - 1:11:20)
six months

[Speaker 3] (1:11:20 - 1:11:20)
month one,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:20 - 1:11:20)
of reports.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:20 - 1:11:22)
there is no question whatsoever that

[Speaker 3] (1:11:23 - 1:11:24)
that's something that I can address with

[Speaker 1] (1:11:24 - 1:11:24)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:11:24 - 1:11:24)
you.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:24 - 1:11:24)
great.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:24 - 1:11:27)
And like you like for one hundred percent.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:27 - 1:11:27)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:11:27 - 1:11:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:27 - 1:11:27)
just

[Speaker 3] (1:11:27 - 1:11:29)
I just wanted to address the distinction

[Speaker 1] (1:11:29 - 1:11:29)
Yeah yeah yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:29 - 1:11:32)
that distinguishes what the past versus the future.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:32 - 1:11:32)
For sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:32 - 1:11:38)
It is the six month absolutely they it's part of our contract with them for engineering services, we decide that not them.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:38 - 1:11:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:38 - 1:11:39)
Yeah, so just to that effect.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:40 - 1:11:51)
Mr. Drummond, how long how long would the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee need to review a draft? I mean how much time would you need, how many meetings would need to be held, you know?

[Speaker 2] (1:11:51 - 1:12:06)
So so the the way we did it this time, each member, you know, got this six-month report on Friday and we had to individually give comments to Gino by Wednesday and then Gino decided.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:08 - 1:12:10)
what went to Kleinfeld.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:10 - 1:12:15)
That's that's the way we did it this past week.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:15 - 1:12:16)
So in an ideal world,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:16 - 1:12:16)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:12:16 - 1:12:18)
how would you want to do it moving forward?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:21 - 1:12:28)
I think what we did this time was great but in the ideal world I'd like to meet with them face to face.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:29 - 1:12:34)
That's me because they've got tables in there and they you know

[Speaker 2] (1:12:35 - 1:12:39)
I think there's so much m more meat that should be in there.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:40 - 1:12:42)
I don't know if they'll do it or not, but

[Speaker 7] (1:12:42 - 1:12:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:42 - 1:12:43)
you know if you

[Speaker 7] (1:12:43 - 1:12:50)
Well, do you communicate that with the head of D_P_W_ I mean if you're communicating that with the head of D_P_W_

[Speaker 7] (1:12:50 - 1:12:54)
why wouldn't the head of D_P_W_ just be communicating that with them?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:55 - 1:12:58)
Well, I mean, but I mean, you know, we got it this time. We

[Speaker 7] (1:12:58 - 1:12:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:58 - 1:13:05)
got the review and and everything went to Gino, but you know, if we d if we do face-to-face, well then that's really got to be added into

[Speaker 2] (1:13:05 - 1:13:11)
the work quote that got to get worked up for these, you know, and they got to add so many hours to meet

[Speaker 1] (1:13:11 - 1:13:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:11 - 1:13:15)
with another committee. So it's really not in the current twenty twenty six.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:15 - 1:13:16)
Cost structure.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:16 - 1:13:19)
Cost structure of what they quoted on, and I understand that.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:19 - 1:13:21)
So I could work with Jane,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:21 - 1:13:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:13:21 - 1:13:23)
try to good. genera identify if

[Speaker 3] (1:13:24 - 1:13:31)
anything exists in the scope that it could allow for adjustment. Where fewer meetings with this group means more ability in

[Speaker 3] (1:13:32 - 1:13:45)
resource to do the you know I don't mean this group I mean Group A allows us to do what you're suggesting with a representative group of your committee. I'm happy to go into more detail with Gino and to figure out what that looks like. You they don't have to that's this

[Speaker 1] (1:13:46 - 1:13:55)
Okay, great. And I think so I think we empower you to review the goals and to realign them.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:56 - 1:14:00)
I think that could easily be communicated back through David and if there are

[Speaker 1] (1:14:01 - 1:14:19)
you know red flags either something's missing or something I mean I leaned over during the presentation and I was reading the goals and I said wait weren't they originally created from water sewer rate Advisory Committee the rates aren't a part of the goal structure but that's something you guys have to accomplish for us right you guys still say that so like

[Speaker 2] (1:14:19 - 1:14:19)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:19 - 1:14:20)
yep

[Speaker 2] (1:14:20 - 1:14:25)
and also, you know, summer prior we did all the testing at all the beaches,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
That was...

[Speaker 2] (1:14:28 - 1:14:31)
The former chair and vice chair, and that's not in any of these.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:31 - 1:14:31)
I,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:31 - 1:14:32)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32)
Brian,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:32 - 1:14:34)
it's like you knew I was going to ask that next.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:34 - 1:14:34)
For

[Speaker 1] (1:14:34 - 1:14:34)
Um,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:34 - 1:14:35)
real, you

[Speaker 1] (1:14:35 - 1:14:35)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:14:35 - 1:14:36)
asked me.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
wanted to move

[Speaker 2] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
on

[Speaker 2] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
it should

[Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
to the,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:36 - 1:14:37)
be because it's

[Speaker 1] (1:14:37 - 1:14:38)
well I want made to move on,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:38 - 1:14:39)
a huge

[Speaker 1] (1:14:39 - 1:14:39)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:14:39 - 1:14:39)
impact, okay?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:39 - 1:14:44)
wanted to move on to the clarification on the role with King's Beach Steering Committee.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:44 - 1:14:50)
And then you guys have, I mean, years past you've taken testing roles.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:53)
And you you did not do that last year.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:54 - 1:14:55)
Did you?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:56 - 1:14:57)
Sort of.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:58 - 1:14:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:58 - 1:14:58)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:14:58 - 1:14:59)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:14:59 - 1:14:59)
but

[Speaker 1] (1:14:59 - 1:15:00)
I mean the Board of Health really did.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:00 - 1:15:02)
our Board

[Speaker 7] (1:15:02 - 1:15:02)
See

[Speaker 2] (1:15:02 - 1:15:03)
of Health but

[Speaker 6] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
But health.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
but

[Speaker 7] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
Well

[Speaker 2] (1:15:03 - 1:15:16)
but I'm going to say we did the King's Beach UV pilot testing, but then the we became half a we because you know, the chair went

[Speaker 3] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
Membership

[Speaker 2] (1:15:16 - 1:15:17)
over.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:17 - 1:15:17)
changed.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:18 - 1:15:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:18 - 1:15:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:18 - 1:15:19)
But I

[Speaker 2] (1:15:19 - 1:15:19)
But we

[Speaker 1] (1:15:19 - 1:15:19)
just

[Speaker 2] (1:15:19 - 1:15:20)
did the testing.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:20 - 1:15:20)
I guess we just

[Speaker 1] (1:15:21 - 1:15:24)
As a select board member and a citizen,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:25 - 1:15:27)
when things happen more than one year in a row,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:27 - 1:15:29)
there's an expectation built,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:29 - 1:15:29)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:15:29 - 1:15:33)
So it's not you then who is going to be my question.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:33 - 1:15:38)
So next year, not having any information about a...

[Speaker 1] (1:15:38 - 1:15:47)
Fourth and Secondary UV pilot. What, like, what is happening with testing? Who is responsible for it? It's not a goal that's listed here.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:47 - 1:15:49)
It has been discussed by the DPW

[Speaker 1] (1:15:49 - 1:15:49)
I.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:49 - 1:15:50)
director in

[Speaker 1] (1:15:50 - 1:15:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:50 - 1:15:51)
as part of the steering committee.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:51 - 1:15:52)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:52 - 1:16:01)
And the request I made was volunteer versus resources necessary to put together any request for resources that would be required.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:01 - 1:16:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:03 - 1:16:03)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:16:03 - 1:16:06)
Is that then reflected in our budget at

[Speaker 3] (1:16:06 - 1:16:06)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:16:06 - 1:16:06)
least?

[Speaker 3] (1:16:06 - 1:16:07)
haven't gotten a number yet,

[Speaker 6] (1:16:07 - 1:16:07)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:07 - 1:16:08)
so no, it's not in the budget.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:08 - 1:16:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:09 - 1:16:20)
So then if the steering committee is going to handle it, then we should clarify how this committee is going to work in conjunction with the steering committee.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:20 - 1:16:23)
Well, but the steering committee is the City of Lynn,

[Speaker 2] (1:16:23 - 1:16:26)
Lynn Water and Sewer, the Kings Beach Steering Committee.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:27 - 1:16:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:29 - 1:16:29)
Save,

[Speaker 2] (1:16:30 - 1:16:32)
save the harbor,

[Speaker 8] (1:16:32 - 1:16:32)
Every

[Speaker 2] (1:16:32 - 1:16:33)
save the

[Speaker 8] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33)
harbor safety.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:33 - 1:16:37)
You know, I don't think they're doing any anything at Fisherman's Beach

[Speaker 1] (1:16:37 - 1:16:37)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:16:37 - 1:16:37)
or Eisen,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:37 - 1:16:38)
no.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:38 - 1:16:39)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:39 - 1:16:39)
Nope, of course not.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:39 - 1:16:40)
You know that that

[Speaker 1] (1:16:40 - 1:16:46)
But at least for King's that there's there's testing on the Swampside side,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:46 - 1:16:50)
there's testing on the Lynn side or there's just testing it yeah, for the consent decree right?

[Speaker 7] (1:16:50 - 1:16:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:51 - 1:16:57)
But basically they're asking should they have a should they have a liaison to the King's Beach Steering Committee which they haven't?

[Speaker 6] (1:16:58 - 1:16:59)
historically so

[Speaker 7] (1:16:59 - 1:17:01)
Right. Well, I think they're saying, should they? I think

[Speaker 1] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
they're

[Speaker 7] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
they're

[Speaker 6] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
saying

[Speaker 7] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
saying,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
they

[Speaker 6] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
they're just

[Speaker 7] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01)
should.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:01 - 1:17:03)
saying they want they should yeah and I'm and I'm agreeing

[Speaker 1] (1:17:03 - 1:17:04)
What can we do?

[Speaker 7] (1:17:04 - 1:17:04)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:04 - 1:17:06)
So what leverage do we have to make that happen?

[Speaker 7] (1:17:06 - 1:17:07)
We just say it.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:07 - 1:17:08)
we say they do it they do it

[Speaker 1] (1:17:08 - 1:17:08)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:08 - 1:17:11)
you are you're the select board that's the leverage

[Speaker 7] (1:17:11 - 1:17:12)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:12 - 1:17:14)
So, I mean, I don't know why we haven't said it before,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:14 - 1:17:15)
to be honest.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:15 - 1:17:15)
So I hate

[Speaker 7] (1:17:15 - 1:17:17)
I don't think it came up, really.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:17 - 1:17:21)
to be a lawyer, but do you mind voting on that at

[Speaker 1] (1:17:21 - 1:17:22)
Well.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:22 - 1:17:22)
What was

[Speaker 2] (1:17:22 - 1:17:22)
that point?

[Speaker 7] (1:17:22 - 1:17:23)
it?

[Speaker 1] (1:17:25 - 1:17:27)
It's not posted in the agenda as

[Speaker 3] (1:17:27 - 1:17:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:27 - 1:17:27)
a vote, so I don't

[Speaker 3] (1:17:27 - 1:17:28)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:28 - 1:17:32)
know if I can take a v uh entertain a vote, Brian, but we can certainly post it on a future agenda

[Speaker 7] (1:17:32 - 1:17:34)
as We could also give our opinion tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:34 - 1:17:35)
But but it's very clear

[Speaker 3] (1:17:35 - 1:17:35)
That that looks

[Speaker 1] (1:17:35 - 1:17:35)
that we're

[Speaker 3] (1:17:35 - 1:17:35)
awful.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:35 - 1:17:36)
asking

[Speaker 7] (1:17:36 - 1:17:36)
Here's our opinion.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:36 - 1:17:37)
counter-administrator

[Speaker 3] (1:17:37 - 1:17:40)
You've made your opinion clear to me as the town administrator to

[Speaker 1] (1:17:40 - 1:17:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:40 - 1:17:41)
work with the Steering Committee to

[Speaker 1] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
Very

[Speaker 3] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
figure

[Speaker 1] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
good.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:41 - 1:17:41)
out membership.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:42 - 1:17:42)
Yeah, please.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:42 - 1:17:42)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:42 - 1:17:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:43 - 1:17:44)
Perfect.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
How's that work?

[Speaker 3] (1:17:45 - 1:17:45)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:45 - 1:17:45)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:46 - 1:17:47)
Great. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:17:49 - 1:17:57)
So then I guess the last remaining question is the direction, expectation, coordination for the coordination with SACWAR ten administrator, DPW,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:58 - 1:18:00)
other committees. I think

[Speaker 1] (1:18:01 - 1:18:02)
all this

[Speaker 7] (1:18:02 - 1:18:11)
I think they should come with recommendations on their goals and then come back and I can answer that. I think not until they have just to narrow down their goals should we really touch that one.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:11 - 1:18:14)
And then I think I think one of the

[Speaker 6] (1:18:14 - 1:18:19)
Well, just want to just the the sewer, a lateral by-law

[Speaker 1] (1:18:19 - 1:18:19)
Mm.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:19 - 1:18:20)
I mean is probably the most pressing.

[Speaker 7] (1:18:20 - 1:18:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:21 - 1:18:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:21 - 1:18:21)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:21 - 1:18:25)
So do i is so Brian is that is that completed and ready for

[Speaker 2] (1:18:25 - 1:18:35)
So it's been completed several times. It's we're on rev five, which we're gonna vote on at our March twelfth meeting.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:35 - 1:18:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:36 - 1:18:39)
And once we vote and approve, I think

[Speaker 2] (1:18:41 - 1:18:48)
Little naive as far as whether that then goes to the select board or to the legal

[Speaker 1] (1:18:48 - 1:18:49)
It should go to counsel first.

[Speaker 7] (1:18:49 - 1:18:49)
take this

[Speaker 3] (1:18:49 - 1:18:49)
legal

[Speaker 7] (1:18:49 - 1:18:49)
account first.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:49 - 1:18:54)
and counsel. If you can get it to me, it would be reviewed by our counsel.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:54 - 1:18:57)
Okay, so I think we did that last year, and I don't think we ever got a review.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:58 - 1:19:03)
If it if it went to them and it hasn't significantly changed the review will be very quick this year.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:03 - 1:19:04)
If it didn't then we'll get we'll

[Speaker 2] (1:19:04 - 1:19:05)
It's

[Speaker 3] (1:19:05 - 1:19:05)
get a

[Speaker 2] (1:19:05 - 1:19:05)
sent

[Speaker 3] (1:19:05 - 1:19:05)
turnaround

[Speaker 2] (1:19:05 - 1:19:05)
in quickly.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:05 - 1:19:08)
as quickly as we can. It has significantly changed.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:08 - 1:19:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:09 - 1:19:10)
Yeah. So

[Speaker 7] (1:19:10 - 1:19:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:10 - 1:19:11)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:19:11 - 1:19:12)
One thing that's really important.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:12 - 1:19:23)
don't think the, I don't think the, I think there's red lines, but I think they're in response to comments that were received last time and they don't change materially change the substantive requirements.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:23 - 1:19:24)
There's clarification.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:32)
I think I read the lines helpful if KP's already reviewed it.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:32 - 1:19:32)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:19:32 - 1:19:33)
Kelly,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:33 - 1:19:38)
do you have in your schedule there, do you have at least two public meetings?

[Speaker 3] (1:19:40 - 1:19:40)
So that people

[Speaker 1] (1:19:40 - 1:19:40)
We

[Speaker 3] (1:19:40 - 1:19:40)
can can address

[Speaker 1] (1:19:40 - 1:19:41)
do have,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:41 - 1:19:41)
it.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:41 - 1:19:44)
we did, yes, we did already do,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:44 - 1:19:49)
we did one public meeting, I think, if I'm remembering correctly, last year on this same thing.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:49 - 1:19:50)
But if you're going to have, if it's different,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:50 - 1:19:56)
could you have two public meetings between now and town meeting?

[Speaker 1] (1:19:56 - 1:19:56)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:56 - 1:19:59)
just to make it more accessible to, just to make it easier for people?

[Speaker 4] (1:19:59 - 1:20:00)
No, by all,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:00 - 1:20:01)
Yeah, just to make it really

[Speaker 4] (1:20:01 - 1:20:02)
but it's

[Speaker 3] (1:20:02 - 1:20:02)
transparent.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:02 - 1:20:03)
well, it's required.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:03 - 1:20:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:03 - 1:20:04)
It's for everybody.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:04 - 1:20:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:04 - 1:20:05)
One is.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
I think it's two.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:06 - 1:20:07)
Really good.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:08 - 1:20:10)
Excellent. So let's make sure we

[Speaker 5] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
do I'm

[Speaker 2] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
that.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
not sure, but it

[Speaker 2] (1:20:10 - 1:20:27)
I think all of us are, okay I'll speak for myself. I think that there was support for the lateral bylaw to come through originally. It was unforeseen circumstances that had it pulled originally and we are excited to see it back. I think I

[Speaker 2] (1:20:29 - 1:20:41)
think it will be helpful and so would like to see it come before us Kelly so anything you need to support that in the committee needs it will help to strive to do that thank

[Speaker 3] (1:20:41 - 1:20:41)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:48)
We will probably will be voting on next Tuesday, March 10th, on the updated Rev 5,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:48 - 1:20:50)
so you should see it shortly thereafter.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:51 - 1:20:51)
you

[Speaker 3] (1:20:51 - 1:20:55)
I have a quick question. Have you done any work on the

[Speaker 3] (1:20:55 - 1:20:56)
Loss of water,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:57 - 1:21:01)
23% loss in water is over half a million dollars.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:02 - 1:21:03)
And There I just...

[Speaker 1] (1:21:03 - 1:21:14)
has been one important consideration is that water meter inefficiencies, older water meters tend to under-report the readings.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:14 - 1:21:22)
So it's possible that a good chunk of it is due to older water meters which are already slated to be replaced.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:23 - 1:21:44)
in the coming years so that's a possibility that there there are other sources the the tank has had did have a leak last year fire hydrant flushing there's lots of reasons why there I think anecdotally

[Speaker 1] (1:21:45 - 1:21:47)
Ten percent loss is super low,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:47 - 1:21:50)
like nobody ever achieves ten percent loss.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:50 - 1:21:54)
So 23 is higher than we want it to be,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:54 - 1:22:00)
but it's not wild relative to what other towns experience just on average.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:01 - 1:22:07)
And to Kelly's point, it's in the capital plan for next year to begin the two-year process of replacing the metres,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:07 - 1:22:08)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:08 - 1:22:09)
the purchase and installation.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:10 - 1:22:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:10 - 1:22:26)
Um and then in addition if I'm you can correct me if I'm wrong, but by law we have to be looking every other year for doing a survey for um, you know like leaks and other things that could be in a main or something like that through with an outside consultant that DPW works with, is that correct?

[Speaker 6] (1:22:28 - 1:22:33)
It that's how it was described to me the way you were I thought there was a pregnant pause where you had more to add, but when

[Speaker 2] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
That was

[Speaker 6] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
just

[Speaker 6] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
asked

[Speaker 2] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
Kelly

[Speaker 6] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
about

[Speaker 2] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
just

[Speaker 6] (1:22:33 - 1:22:34)
this

[Speaker 2] (1:22:34 - 1:22:34)
taking

[Speaker 6] (1:22:34 - 1:22:34)
earlier

[Speaker 2] (1:22:34 - 1:22:34)
a guess,

[Speaker 6] (1:22:34 - 1:22:34)
today

[Speaker 2] (1:22:34 - 1:22:35)
maybe.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:35 - 1:22:51)
that there's it's a two-year cycle. We've actually been doing it every year to try to find it, and it's sort of like a it's not throwing a camera in every pipe, it's listening and working uh through industry standards, try to identify it. So there's not like some smoking gun that's been found for that process.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:51 - 1:22:55)
Right, but but to me one of the issues is that when we have a water main break

[Speaker 7] (1:22:58 - 1:23:09)
Nobody estimates that I've seen how many gallons were lost, you know. So somebody should take, you know it's been broken for a week and there's

[Speaker 6] (1:23:09 - 1:23:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:09 - 1:23:09)
probably,

[Speaker 7] (1:23:10 - 1:23:19)
you know there's nobody collecting those numbers and there was a huge water main break down Precinct 6 where they were replacing the water mains.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:21 - 1:23:24)
And nobody saw it because it just.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:25 - 1:23:27)
went out the pipe and then out to the ocean.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:30 - 1:23:34)
And finally the town got a phone call from the MWRA.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:35 - 1:23:42)
And they said, hey, we're adding water to your tank more than normal, you know, what's going on?

[Speaker 7] (1:23:43 - 1:23:49)
And so, so there's still no estimate how much we lost in that event. And then maybe

[Speaker 7] (1:23:50 - 1:23:56)
In capital improvement there needs to be, you know, a float in your cater in the in the tanks so we get the message

[Speaker 6] (1:23:56 - 1:23:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:57 - 1:24:01)
that it's draining quickly and we should be doing something. I don't know.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:01 - 1:24:09)
I was just sharing what I was able to learn in the this was submitted in trying to understand what process we do engage in. So always opportunities to improve for sure.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:10 - 1:24:17)
Right, but the question is where's where's the water going, and if you could say well five percent of that went in this failure here it'd help

[Speaker 7] (1:24:18 - 1:24:19)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (1:24:19 - 1:24:19)
yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:24:19 - 1:24:20)
And that's really

[Speaker 7] (1:24:20 - 1:24:20)
right,

[Speaker 8] (1:24:20 - 1:24:30)
why you need that tracking software to be able to to be able to take that asset management plan and make it and and really create that that dynamic aspect that we're that that's lacking today.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:31 - 1:24:37)
right. And that pipe, my understanding, that pipe that failed down Precinct 6,

[Speaker 7] (1:24:37 - 1:24:39)
it was, you know, the ring,

[Speaker 7] (1:24:39 - 1:24:40)
the ceiling ring.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:41 - 1:24:48)
Well, then you look at your asset management plan and you say, well, well how many other connections do we have like that that we should be looking at?

[Speaker 8] (1:24:48 - 1:24:54)
And, and that was my next that was my next question was was the was the you know was that specific failure?

[Speaker 8] (1:24:54 - 1:24:57)
Was that a red? Was that a yellow? Was that a green?

[Speaker 7] (1:24:57 - 1:24:58)
Yeah, I think it was green.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:58 - 1:24:59)
It was a green.

[Speaker 7] (1:24:59 - 1:25:01)
I don't well, I don't really.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:01 - 1:25:01)
Green.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:03 - 1:25:05)
I I'm just saying that that's why your asset management

[Speaker 7] (1:25:06 - 1:25:15)
plan is should be ongoing because when something green is red because it failed well then you make the other ones red or yellow.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:16 - 1:25:24)
I have a quick question. Who is it within the town that is looking at mass DEP for the applications of these grants?

[Speaker 3] (1:25:24 - 1:25:25)
Because the last grant,

[Speaker 3] (1:25:25 - 1:25:32)
the grant that we received with asset management was written and coordinated with Ron Mendez.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:32 - 1:25:41)
um who was our treasure at the time. So who like what department looks for that?

[Speaker 6] (1:25:41 - 1:25:47)
As of right now, the D_P_W_ related ones are coming from Gino and his team. So I'd have to

[Speaker 2] (1:25:48 - 1:25:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:48 - 1:25:48)
I don't have a,

[Speaker 3] (1:25:48 - 1:25:48)
These

[Speaker 6] (1:25:48 - 1:25:49)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (1:25:49 - 1:25:49)
aren't

[Speaker 6] (1:25:49 - 1:25:49)
post

[Speaker 3] (1:25:49 - 1:25:49)
Marzi,

[Speaker 6] (1:25:49 - 1:25:49)
an answer.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:49 - 1:25:51)
these aren't Marzi grants.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:51 - 1:25:56)
No, I mean the water infrastructure ones that we've applied for so far have come out of Gino's shop, so it's

[Speaker 3] (1:25:56 - 1:25:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:56 - 1:25:59)
probably Mark that's working to coordinate it and highlight it.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:59 - 1:25:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:59 - 1:26:03)
Um but I don't have that direct answer for you, I can get it for sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:03 - 1:26:03)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:05 - 1:26:06)
I think it should be Patrick.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:07 - 1:26:09)
I think now that we've got Patrick as I think one

[Speaker 2] (1:26:09 - 1:26:09)
Patrick

[Speaker 6] (1:26:09 - 1:26:10)
job,

[Speaker 2] (1:26:10 - 1:26:11)
has plenty to

[Speaker 6] (1:26:11 - 1:26:11)
we'd like

[Speaker 2] (1:26:11 - 1:26:11)
do.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:11 - 1:26:13)
to keep it at that for now.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:13 - 1:26:14)
Make sure he sticks around.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:16 - 1:26:17)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:17 - 1:26:18)
Kelly,

[Speaker 2] (1:26:18 - 1:26:20)
did you have anything you wanted to add before we close out?

[Speaker 2] (1:26:20 - 1:26:20)
No?

[Speaker 1] (1:26:21 - 1:26:25)
No, I think this was a really helpful discussion. I think that's all for me.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:25 - 1:26:26)
I appreciate it.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:26 - 1:26:33)
Well, before we close out, Madam Chairman, one of the reasons why we ended up having this conversation

[Speaker 3] (1:26:34 - 1:26:47)
uh was around the size of the committee and adding people to the committee because we have people who are very active that wanted to be on this committee and I know I've brought it up.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:47 - 1:26:59)
I think Danielle supported me at one or two meetings and I would just like to see two individuals added as alternates to this committee and I'd like to know what what do we need to do to do this.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:00 - 1:27:02)
the alternatives will be on the

[Speaker 3] (1:27:02 - 1:27:02)
Next

[Speaker 2] (1:27:02 - 1:27:02)
agenda

[Speaker 3] (1:27:02 - 1:27:02)
agenda.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:02 - 1:27:04)
for next s for next meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:04 - 1:27:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:05 - 1:27:07)
So we will discuss that at next meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:08 - 1:27:08)
Great. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:09 - 1:27:09)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:10 - 1:27:12)
When the committee started,

[Speaker 7] (1:27:12 - 1:27:13)
we had four alternates.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:13 - 1:27:14)
Four alternates.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:14 - 1:27:15)
And how many do we have now?

[Speaker 7] (1:27:15 - 1:27:16)
Zero.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:16 - 1:27:17)
This is not what

[Speaker 2] (1:27:17 - 1:27:17)
That

[Speaker 6] (1:27:17 - 1:27:18)
was noticed.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:18 - 1:27:20)
yep. So we will we will

[Speaker 3] (1:27:20 - 1:27:20)
We'll

[Speaker 2] (1:27:20 - 1:27:20)
notice

[Speaker 3] (1:27:20 - 1:27:21)
tell them.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:21 - 1:27:24)
this for the next agenda and we will discuss it on the next agenda.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:25 - 1:27:26)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:27 - 1:27:33)
Alright, we will move on to discussion and possible votes on the Hawthorne Reeves R_F_Q_ responses.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:37 - 1:27:37)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:41 - 1:27:42)
Do you wanna just

[Speaker 6] (1:27:42 - 1:27:50)
So yeah, it we as we had shared previously and I'll can figure it out, but I do not have handy the presentation we put up last time.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:51 - 1:27:54)
We had a group that included David Rich Valdacci,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:54 - 1:27:55)
David job.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:55 - 1:27:56)
myself, um and

[Speaker 7] (1:27:56 - 1:27:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:57 - 1:28:12)
Marcy that met with both proponents, reviewed and scored the the proposals. We provided that to you all before the prior meeting. It's a it was a very close score between the two of them. I know you all have suggested that you wanted a little more time to deliberate and

[Speaker 6] (1:28:12 - 1:28:27)
Uh also ultimately discussed here, on what direction we would like to take. The only piece that I would sort of remind everyone from the procurement standpoint is the the decision is the most advantageous proposal that can be interpreted

[Speaker 6] (1:28:29 - 1:28:36)
however you would like really, but it's it's most advantageous. It doesn't lean one way or the other. It's uh something that you all can articulate as a body. So

[Speaker 2] (1:28:38 - 1:28:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:40 - 1:28:41)
I would like to start.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:42 - 1:28:44)
Well, I first would like clarification.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:46 - 1:28:49)
The Swamp Scout Center for the Performing Arts was the gentleman,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:49 - 1:28:51)
Johnny Ray, that was here earlier.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:52 - 1:29:00)
I want to understand this million dollars that we previously thought, or I previously thought, I'll speak for myself,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:00 - 1:29:03)
was an investment they were making to the building,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:03 - 1:29:04)
right,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:04 - 1:29:07)
if that's how I read it. And now he's here today saying that's not the case.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:08 - 1:29:10)
So I really want to understand what exactly is the case.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:13 - 1:29:17)
Is he putting in are they considering are they going to put in a million dollars or no?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:18 - 1:29:19)
What what is

[Speaker 1] (1:29:19 - 1:29:21)
What what is the actual situation?

[Speaker 2] (1:29:21 - 1:29:22)
I think

[Speaker 3] (1:29:22 - 1:29:22)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:29:22 - 1:29:22)
that

[Speaker 3] (1:29:22 - 1:29:25)
in the I mean we can read the business model that they resubmitted.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:25 - 1:29:36)
right I I was gonna say the the best direction I could give is to stay within the four corners of the page that they've submitted for both proposals and the follow-up information that we shared with each.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:37 - 1:29:38)
But

[Speaker 3] (1:29:38 - 1:29:44)
So it says that the capital expenditure for managed entities for year one is 600,000.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:44 - 1:30:01)
Yeah, just in the but in the but in fairness in the response stated January 16, 2026, the respondents have secured a million dollar fin financing commitment from a local financial institution in support of the redevelopment and activation of the Swan Creek Center for Performing Arts. So that's where that million dollars came from.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:01 - 1:30:03)
In the revised information it it

[Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:03)
Hold on.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:04 - 1:30:04)
That's

[Speaker 3] (1:30:04 - 1:30:06)
Oh, go ahead,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:06 - 1:30:06)
Stephanie. Finish

[Speaker 4] (1:30:06 - 1:30:06)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:06 - 1:30:06)
your sentence.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:06 - 1:30:09)
and the revised in the revised information, it does say six hundred.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:10 - 1:30:13)
So Danielle is not pulling a million dollars out of the air.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:13 - 1:30:13)
No, No,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:13 - 1:30:13)
no, it's not

[Speaker 3] (1:30:13 - 1:30:13)
but we

[Speaker 1] (1:30:13 - 1:30:13)
no.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:13 - 1:30:20)
I don't think any I agree. Nobody pulled a million dollars out of the air, but I think what's important is the language. It says they've secured

[Speaker 3] (1:30:21 - 1:30:23)
A million dollars financing

[Speaker 4] (1:30:23 - 1:30:23)
commitment.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:23 - 1:30:25)
financing commitment to support

[Speaker 4] (1:30:25 - 1:30:27)
To support the redevelopment and activation.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:27 - 1:30:33)
So, right, so they could spend up to a million dollars. It doesn't say that they're going to spend a full million dollars.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:33 - 1:30:34)
But that's what they originally said.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:34 - 1:30:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:35 - 1:30:37)
But he came here tonight and said that's not the case.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:37 - 1:30:40)
And in these, in the secondary submission that they provided,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:40 - 1:30:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:40 - 1:30:40)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:40 - 1:30:43)
they clarified that the capital expenditures for the building,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:44 - 1:30:45)
probably due to our conversation,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:45 - 1:30:46)
I'm sure,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:46 - 1:31:03)
has been clarified to a commitment of six hundred thousand dollars in one year, because obviously that million dollars that they're financing, they're going to utilize in other ways, in my opinion, based on what they provided. So they weren't just going to spend the whole million on capital improvement. I think

[Speaker 1] (1:31:03 - 1:31:03)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:03 - 1:31:04)
they're going to use it for other

[Speaker 1] (1:31:04 - 1:31:05)
My

[Speaker 3] (1:31:05 - 1:31:05)
things.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:05 - 1:31:05)
c The the

[Speaker 1] (1:31:05 - 1:31:05)
concern the is

[Speaker 2] (1:31:05 - 1:31:11)
distinction I would just highlight is when they say activation that could also mean the drawdown to start

[Speaker 2] (1:31:11 - 1:31:14)
Like you have no income at the beginning for any new business that type of thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:15 - 1:31:19)
My concern is this. The initial proposal said a million dollars.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:19 - 1:31:21)
When we ask for clarification,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:21 - 1:31:23)
it's down to six hundred thousand,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:23 - 1:31:28)
right? Would we have ever found that out had we not asked for that additional information?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:28 - 1:31:31)
Or would we have just been led to believe that they're putting in a million dollars?

[Speaker 5] (1:31:31 - 1:31:32)
Does the proposal

[Speaker 1] (1:31:32 - 1:31:33)
As they originally indicated.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:33 - 1:31:38)
does the proposal say a million dollars for infrastructure? Up to a million dollars. But it it says

[Speaker 3] (1:31:38 - 1:31:38)
Up to.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:38 - 1:31:44)
up to it says a million dollars, but that's for that's their working capital. That's

[Speaker 1] (1:31:44 - 1:31:45)
We don't know what that's for.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:45 - 1:31:46)
W it doesn't say, it

[Speaker 3] (1:31:46 - 1:31:46)
And we can

[Speaker 5] (1:31:46 - 1:31:46)
doesn't

[Speaker 3] (1:31:46 - 1:31:47)
change it.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:47 - 1:31:47)
say there.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:47 - 1:31:56)
It it it d it says the respondents have secured a one million dollar financing commitment from a local financial institution in support of the redevelopment and activation of the Swampscott Center for the

[Speaker 5] (1:31:56 - 1:31:56)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:56 - 1:31:57)
Performing Arts,

[Speaker 3] (1:31:57 - 1:31:57)
Redevelopment.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:57 - 1:31:58)
period,

[Speaker 4] (1:31:58 - 1:31:59)
next sentence,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:59 - 1:31:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:59 - 1:32:09)
all remaining development, build out and operational expenditures will be funded directly by the respondent through its board and affiliated entities. So no municipal financing or guarantees are being requested.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:09 - 1:32:10)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
they

[Speaker 3] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
actually

[Speaker 4] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
do

[Speaker 3] (1:32:10 - 1:32:11)
that sentence means

[Speaker 3] (1:32:11 - 1:32:12)
it's gonna they're invested

[Speaker 2] (1:32:12 - 1:32:13)
In excess

[Speaker 3] (1:32:13 - 1:32:13)
more than a

[Speaker 2] (1:32:13 - 1:32:13)
of

[Speaker 3] (1:32:13 - 1:32:14)
million dollars

[Speaker 2] (1:32:14 - 1:32:14)
more than a million

[Speaker 3] (1:32:14 - 1:32:14)
to

[Speaker 2] (1:32:14 - 1:32:15)
dollars, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:15 - 1:32:16)
activate and to redevelop

[Speaker 1] (1:32:16 - 1:32:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:16 - 1:32:17)
so

[Speaker 1] (1:32:17 - 1:32:19)
But that's not what they said tonight.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:19 - 1:32:19)
the I mean

[Speaker 2] (1:32:20 - 1:32:22)
I think tonight he said six hundred thousand

[Speaker 4] (1:32:22 - 1:32:22)
In

[Speaker 2] (1:32:22 - 1:32:22)
for

[Speaker 4] (1:32:22 - 1:32:23)
capital. your in your one.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:23 - 1:32:24)
the building.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:24 - 1:32:24)
in year one

[Speaker 5] (1:32:24 - 1:32:25)
For capital.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:25 - 1:32:25)
for capital

[Speaker 1] (1:32:26 - 1:32:31)
I'm not the one that came here and made the clarification statement, so that's what I'm questioning.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:31 - 1:32:32)
I didn't anticipate hearing that.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33)
So,

[Speaker 2] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:34)
you know, to me.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:36 - 1:32:44)
I want to make sure we're getting the true story, right? And that we're making our determination based on fact and what we can reasonably expect to see,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:44 - 1:32:46)
right? Because that's going to matter.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:47 - 1:32:48)
To me it does, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:32:48 - 1:32:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:48 - 1:32:48)
Of course.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:49 - 1:33:02)
You know, I have concerns with both situations, right? I have concerns with the whole thing, but that to me, I didn't anticipate hearing that, and for him to make that correction gives me pause.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:03 - 1:33:07)
That's all. I just wanna understand truly the real deal,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:08 - 1:33:28)
what your goal is and and with with the other proposal, the limited time proposal, that's pretty clear. Right? I don't really there's not a lot of grey area there. Might not be the strongest thing, but it's it's clear. This to me is a little bit more fuzzy math and I wanna really understand what what we're looking at. And then it's really gonna happen to be honest.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:31 - 1:33:32)
That's just me.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:34 - 1:33:51)
So I'm looking at both of the proposals, and especially after a meeting on Monday night, I like both the proposals. There are things I like more in one proposal versus another. You know, I like the fact that things are indoors versus outdoors,

[Speaker 5] (1:33:51 - 1:33:54)
three hundred thousand versus thirty thousand.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:55 - 1:34:21)
Um when I read it I don't read a million dollar investment in capital investment whereas I read it that there's a million dollar backing which means that there's a million dollar backing so you're gonna have more room for your payroll your credit line in your bars your setup which is a revolving a revolving type of account. The other thing is um

[Speaker 5] (1:34:22 - 1:34:30)
The individual involved in this performing arts is an individual that has significant experience in performing arts.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:30 - 1:34:32)
So that's what,

[Speaker 5] (1:34:32 - 1:34:38)
that's what does make me feel, you know, pretty comfortable with that.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:38 - 1:34:46)
Then when I look at, you know, I look at the forecast that we received on projected revenues.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:47 - 1:35:09)
you know you're also looking at 6.25 percent coming in on projected projected revenue so if you look at that you're looking at just short of $200,000 on food and beverage so you have food and beverage and then you have $300,000 in the rent

[Speaker 5] (1:35:10 - 1:35:13)
And whereas the other proposal had a lot of food trucks,

[Speaker 5] (1:35:13 - 1:35:17)
we don't make that food and beverage tax on food trucks.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:17 - 1:35:21)
So, you know, is this a filler? It's 30 months.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:21 - 1:35:26)
You know, we do have financial issues. We are trying to get to a shovel-ready project.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:27 - 1:35:31)
Is it a gamble? It's a gamble either way. I just feel like if we have to make a gamble,

[Speaker 5] (1:35:32 - 1:35:37)
you know, I have to lean more towards $300,000 versus $30,000.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:38 - 1:35:40)
Could I could I just add a few things?

[Speaker 2] (1:35:40 - 1:35:42)
One, I think Doug was trying to talk at one point.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:42 - 1:35:42)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:35:42 - 1:35:42)
Wait,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:42 - 1:35:45)
if he went to unmute again, Doug, the second part.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:46 - 1:35:51)
Since it's been said a couple times, the thirty months, it this is through the end of June of twenty eight. It

[Speaker 4] (1:35:51 - 1:35:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:51 - 1:35:51)
every month

[Speaker 3] (1:35:51 - 1:35:52)
Thirty

[Speaker 2] (1:35:52 - 1:35:52)
it goes

[Speaker 3] (1:35:52 - 1:35:52)
months.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:52 - 1:35:52)
by, it

[Speaker 5] (1:35:52 - 1:35:52)
We're not even

[Speaker 2] (1:35:52 - 1:35:53)
gets shorter.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
at thirty months, right?

[Speaker 3] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
I know.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:53 - 1:35:55)
Every month that goes by, it Yeah, gets shorter.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:55 - 1:35:55)
I want to clarify that

[Speaker 2] (1:35:55 - 1:35:55)
Someone

[Speaker 3] (1:35:55 - 1:35:55)
we're

[Speaker 2] (1:35:55 - 1:35:56)
had said that earlier.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:56 - 1:35:56)
Twenty seven.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:56 - 1:35:58)
It it starts whenever

[Speaker 3] (1:35:58 - 1:35:58)
It

[Speaker 2] (1:35:58 - 1:35:58)
we're

[Speaker 3] (1:35:58 - 1:35:58)
doesn't

[Speaker 2] (1:35:58 - 1:35:59)
able to start get some

[Speaker 3] (1:35:59 - 1:36:01)
from money. when it starts. We only gu we only

[Speaker 2] (1:36:01 - 1:36:01)
The

[Speaker 3] (1:36:01 - 1:36:01)
receive

[Speaker 2] (1:36:01 - 1:36:01)
authorization

[Speaker 3] (1:36:01 - 1:36:02)
the authorisation from

[Speaker 2] (1:36:02 - 1:36:02)
expires

[Speaker 3] (1:36:02 - 1:36:03)
town meeting

[Speaker 2] (1:36:03 - 1:36:03)
the end of.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:03 - 1:36:09)
for thirty months from the vote that was taken at town meeting. So that time is already

[Speaker 3] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
Cake

[Speaker 5] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
When's

[Speaker 3] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
picking.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
the meeting?

[Speaker 2] (1:36:11 - 1:36:13)
And it's until June 30th of 28. It

[Speaker 5] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13)
was

[Speaker 5] (1:36:13 - 1:36:14)
It was a 27

[Speaker 2] (1:36:14 - 1:36:14)
little more than 30 months

[Speaker 5] (1:36:14 - 1:36:15)
months,

[Speaker 2] (1:36:15 - 1:36:15)
at

[Speaker 5] (1:36:15 - 1:36:15)
really.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:15 - 1:36:16)
the time we voted because

[Speaker 5] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:16 - 1:36:17)
it happened in December,

[Speaker 2] (1:36:17 - 1:36:17)
but.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:17 - 1:36:17)
It

[Speaker 3] (1:36:17 - 1:36:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:18 - 1:36:19)
ends at the end of

[Speaker 3] (1:36:19 - 1:36:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:20 - 1:36:20)
a

[Speaker 4] (1:36:20 - 1:36:20)
And just

[Speaker 2] (1:36:20 - 1:36:21)
few.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:21 - 1:36:25)
to a point that Mary Ellen made just about the F&B,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:25 - 1:36:30)
so it's 75 basis points on the F&B.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:30 - 1:36:33)
So looking at, that's the town share.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:33 - 1:36:38)
So looking at the projected revenues for Maria's and the Dory restaurant,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:38 - 1:36:46)
they're projecting $3 million in sales in year one. That would be, you know, at 75 basis points, it would be about $22,000.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:46 - 1:36:51)
thousand five hundred dollars um to the town. So that's the that's the bit that's the benefit. So

[Speaker 3] (1:36:51 - 1:36:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:52 - 1:36:54)
it's not it's not two hundred, but it's it's twenty two

[Speaker 3] (1:36:54 - 1:36:54)
It's something.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:54 - 1:36:55)
uh it's

[Speaker 1] (1:36:55 - 1:36:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:55 - 1:36:57)
twenty two. It it it is.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:59 - 1:37:09)
So just in that effect, um you we did hear from a from a business owner on you know on Humphrey Street um you know I I do think that um

[Speaker 4] (1:37:10 - 1:37:18)
I do think I like the limited time only proposal because it is limited in time, limited in scope.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:19 - 1:37:20)
It is going to benefit,

[Speaker 4] (1:37:20 - 1:37:36)
I believe, local businesses by bringing them in and really having that synergy between what is going to happen at the Hawthorne site and I like the ability for us to try a number of things that

[Speaker 4] (1:37:37 - 1:37:38)
Maybe we'll work, maybe won't.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:39 - 1:38:02)
You know, we don't know. We're gonna we're gonna see what we're see what happens uh if that if that is chosen. But I like the way that this is activating the space for as many of our fifteen thousand residents and uh and the region as possible. You know, there are going to be uh you know, we're gonna be able to drop folks in from you know from all walks of life. This isn't just gonna be uh you know a dinner theater.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:03 - 1:38:27)
Um, you know, in a breakfast spot this is gonna be something that is gonna have there there's gonna be something for for everyone with the uh with the limited time only proposal um which is exciting. The dollars aren't as exciting, um but I do think that we should also be considering the third option, which is you, you know, which is which is what you know Mr Watson had had indicated at at one of our previous meetings, um

[Speaker 4] (1:38:28 - 1:38:29)
which is you demolish the property.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:30 - 1:38:57)
That was the, you know, that was the consensus of, you know, the committee that this board uh seated. And, you know, they they said let's knock the building down. Uh there are alternatives if you do knock the building down. There is the lot in Middleton. The lot in Middleton can bring about um significant rental income for those uh for those for for food trucks, for live entertainment, um

[Speaker 4] (1:38:58 - 1:39:05)
You know, so there is there is another option, there is another secondary option there. Um there's a there's a there's a third option in addition to

[Speaker 3] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05)
For

[Speaker 4] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05)
these

[Speaker 3] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05)
sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:05 - 1:39:14)
two R_F_P_s. Uh and I I do appreciate Mr. Watson providing us with the uh you know with the estimate of uh of demolishing the property.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:20)
the number in the in the capital improvement plan adjusted

[Speaker 2] (1:39:21 - 1:39:21)
Mm-hmm. I agree.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:21 - 1:39:23)
uh from that two million dollar

[Speaker 2] (1:39:23 - 1:39:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:23 - 1:39:28)
number, which is a horror show, and a placeholder obviously, to something that's more realistic.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:29 - 1:39:29)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:29 - 1:39:29)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:39:29 - 1:39:39)
I have to t I given how egregious it is from the actual quote, I have to think that that wasn't just demolition, was it demolition and development? Like what w I mean that

[Speaker 2] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39)
Who knows?

[Speaker 3] (1:39:39 - 1:39:41)
did we really think that that was just

[Speaker 4] (1:39:41 - 1:39:42)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:39:42 - 1:39:42)
I think

[Speaker 4] (1:39:42 - 1:39:42)
it

[Speaker 3] (1:39:42 - 1:39:42)
demo.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:42 - 1:39:51)
was a I mean I don't know how close we are to what's noticed to just to put that back out there but um it was a plug that was put in by the

[Speaker 3] (1:39:51 - 1:39:51)
A

[Speaker 4] (1:39:51 - 1:39:51)
former

[Speaker 3] (1:39:51 - 1:39:51)
budget

[Speaker 4] (1:39:51 - 1:39:52)
planner

[Speaker 3] (1:39:52 - 1:39:52)
was

[Speaker 4] (1:39:52 - 1:39:52)
administrator.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:52 - 1:39:52)
noticed.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:52 - 1:39:53)
Hmm?

[Speaker 3] (1:39:53 - 1:39:55)
The budget was noticed,

[Speaker 4] (1:39:55 - 1:39:55)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:55 - 1:39:55)
was part of the budget.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:55 - 1:40:06)
you're right. But that was a plug that's been in there for a couple of years that it could have been that it was to repave a portion, it could have been demolition, it could have there is always the upper or not opportunity, it's always the risk.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:07 - 1:40:10)
um that there is more asbestos or something

[Speaker 5] (1:40:10 - 1:40:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:10 - 1:40:26)
that requires more mitigation, but uh you know these are the among the same folks and, you know, Mister Watson knows this, that our D_P_W_ director and Rich would have uh our building commissioner would have reached out to when I was walking around the last two days saying like how do we dial in a number.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:26 - 1:40:26)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:26 - 1:40:35)
Uh so the the only real unknown is the amount of uh material that needs to be mitigated for whatever reason. Um

[Speaker 4] (1:40:35 - 1:40:51)
And that's something that we would find onsite, I think it's mentioned in one of these discussion one of these proposals. Some of it is tested there. Something like asbestos, we would be able to walk around and mitigate in advance and have a price in advance probably, but um they also encourage actually testing everything that's leaving the site to make sure there's not something that's unknown.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:52 - 1:40:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:52 - 1:40:55)
I think in light of what we heard Monday night, um

[Speaker 6] (1:40:56 - 1:41:02)
We absolutely have to make sure that the numbers that we have in place, the placeholders or not,

[Speaker 6] (1:41:03 - 1:41:09)
are not based on, you know, fictitious dollars, and we have to be as close to accurate dollars as possible.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:10 - 1:41:18)
Here we are looking at a capital plan where there's a $2 million placeholder when in actuality the cost is probably 25% of that, right?

[Speaker 6] (1:41:19 - 1:41:24)
So how are we accurately looking at our long-term three- and five-year plan if we don't even have

[Speaker 6] (1:41:24 - 1:41:26)
even have accurate numbers represented there.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:26 - 1:41:50)
So to me that, you know, I either one of these I Let me say this, these two proposals are perfectly fine. I think we have absolutely no choice, but whichever one we pick, if we pick one, we also have to then immediately implement either an R_F_P_ or whatever it is for the long-term plan for that site,

[Speaker 6] (1:41:51 - 1:41:52)
including demolition of that building.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:53 - 1:42:16)
Um I I just don't think to Mr. Watson's point we have the time to sit and wait till twenty seven months expire to then revisit and come back here and say okay so now let's plan to take down this building and do what we need to do. It w we're paying what is it fifty sixty thousand dollars a month on this piece of property for how many months? H how how long have we had it? What two three four years?

[Speaker 6] (1:42:17 - 1:42:45)
I mean it in at the same time we're talking about raising taxes close to a thousand dollars per per household. It's it's ludicrous right so whichever one we go with I think at the same time simultaneously we absolutely have got to get going on what the long-term plan is there and to me that long-term plan is taking down that building and getting an RFP out and getting this done because I don't think we can afford to just sit on it and wait any any longer than we already have.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:45 - 1:42:46)
You know.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:46 - 1:42:52)
So I will say I have gone through the many stages of grief related to the Hawthorne purchase.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:53 - 1:42:57)
And just being very honest about it because I get why we bought it.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:57 - 1:42:58)
We wanted to really,

[Speaker 3] (1:42:58 - 1:43:00)
to me it all boils down to control.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:00 - 1:43:07)
We wanted to have control over what happened to it. We wanted to have control over what we were going to do with it or what somebody else could do with it.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:08 - 1:43:10)
And so was it worth it for $7 million?

[Speaker 3] (1:43:11 - 1:43:12)
I think yes,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:12 - 1:43:13)
it was.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:13 - 1:43:19)
But we absolutely unequivocally have to.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:20 - 1:43:22)
As soon, if one of these is chosen,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:23 - 1:43:24)
the ink is dry on the lease,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:24 - 1:43:28)
we need to get to an RFP and RFI for the redevelopment of that property,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:28 - 1:43:32)
which very well may include demolition of that building.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:32 - 1:43:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:32 - 1:43:35)
And I mean, I actually thought about like.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:37 - 1:43:39)
Should we demolish the building right now, David?

[Speaker 6] (1:43:39 - 1:43:39)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:39 - 1:43:51)
I mean, I thought, okay, so we don't have $500,000. So even if we went out tomorrow for RFP to redevelop based on demolition, by the time you went through the RFP development,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:51 - 1:43:52)
the responses,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:52 - 1:43:54)
getting an LDA in place,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:54 - 1:43:56)
having a due diligence period,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:56 - 1:43:58)
and then then taking down the building,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:58 - 1:44:00)
you're probably at the end of this lease.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:00 - 1:44:05)
So it doesn't really make sense to me not to choose one. Because I was like...

[Speaker 3] (1:44:07 - 1:44:09)
Why would we do this? Let's just take down the building.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:09 - 1:44:14)
Let's do like maybe there's a lot move or something like that, but we don't have $500,000 to take down the building,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:14 - 1:44:17)
even if it's $500,000, even if it's $200,000.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:17 - 1:44:19)
So to me, it says,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:19 - 1:44:20)
okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:20 - 1:44:23)
we've been very publicly honest about this.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:24 - 1:44:31)
You guys are there for that period of time, you know, till June of 28th and we're going to have somebody waiting in the wings.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:32 - 1:44:32)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:32 - 1:44:49)
And we are coming up with a plan whether it includes that building or not and we're moving on from this. This has become like a thorn in our side which was supposed to be the jewel of the town and we have to be able to execute the plan and move forward. I think.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:50 - 1:44:53)
demolition is possible it's plausible and

[Speaker 6] (1:44:53 - 1:44:53)
Well, we we

[Speaker 3] (1:44:53 - 1:44:55)
should contemplate it there's no reason we shouldn't nor

[Speaker 6] (1:44:55 - 1:44:58)
absolutely should because quite honestly we are not in the business of being landlords.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:44:59 - 1:44:59)
should

[Speaker 6] (1:44:59 - 1:45:11)
don't know what, what on what planet after looking at the condition of that building makes any of us think in the 27 months these people might be inhabiting this space that something is not going to go wrong that this town has to pay for.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:12 - 1:45:16)
In something of a pretty decent magnitude, whether it be the roof,

[Speaker 6] (1:45:16 - 1:45:17)
whether it be the basement,

[Speaker 6] (1:45:17 - 1:45:31)
I don't even know what's in the walls, I have no idea, but for us to think that we can manage this, I mean I just, I don't see it. I have a real hard time understanding where we're gonna come up with whatever it's gonna cost to fix that if something goes wrong.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:31 - 1:45:35)
Well yeah, exactly. And look, it's it's it's not an if, it's a when.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:35 - 1:45:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:35 - 1:45:37)
Um so while, you know, to Katie's

[Speaker 1] (1:45:37 - 1:45:50)
ladies point where we may not have a half a million dollars to demolish the property we're gonna have to we're already coming up with we're already coming up with electric electric costs we're paying for

[Speaker 3] (1:45:50 - 1:45:50)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:50 - 1:45:52)
paying to heat the building we're paying to insure

[Speaker 6] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
Sure

[Speaker 1] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
building

[Speaker 6] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
building.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:52 - 1:45:56)
mean that's the cost of insurance is what 80 or 90 thousand dollars

[Speaker 4] (1:45:56 - 1:46:03)
It's a part of our whole risk portfolio. So that's roughly the difference.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:04 - 1:46:10)
But it's not, it's just not a normal part of a municipal risk portfolio, so it's something that is kind of

[Speaker 1] (1:46:11 - 1:46:12)
Squishy? Yeah, got it.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:13 - 1:46:13)
So once

[Speaker 1] (1:46:13 - 1:46:15)
But it is a substantial cost.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:15 - 1:46:17)
It is an additional cost that without it we do not have,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:17 - 1:46:18)
absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:18 - 1:46:29)
So once I convince myself that we should pick one, then I had to figure out which one we are going to pick. And when I think about the standard that I will use to sort of cast my die here,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:29 - 1:46:32)
it is the best interest of the town.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:32 - 1:46:32)
As Nick said,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:33 - 1:46:34)
that is squishy,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:34 - 1:46:34)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:46:34 - 1:46:38)
Because it means a lot of things. First I said the best interest of our community members.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:39 - 1:46:44)
So I thought, okay, well what's bringing in the most money because that's an interest of the community.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:44 - 1:46:48)
Then I thought, all right, well some people have an interest in the outside function.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:48 - 1:46:50)
I mean I heard from business owners today,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:50 - 1:46:50)
not

[Speaker 6] (1:46:50 - 1:46:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:51 - 1:46:52)
just Lily,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:52 - 1:47:00)
but others who say food truck business is very difficult for us because when a food truck shows up, we can't plan for what they're serving.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:00 - 1:47:06)
We can't figure out how to navigate how our business is going to change based on a temporary food.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:05 - 1:47:06)
free food truck,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:06 - 1:47:15)
but a stationary business we can. We can try to mitigate those impacts. We could try to work with them. We could try to figure it out. As food trucks are rotating in and out, that's unpredictable.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:15 - 1:47:17)
To do that during the summer,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:17 - 1:47:18)
which is their high season,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:18 - 1:47:23)
which is when they make all their money to offset what might be a weaker season in the winter,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:23 - 1:47:30)
and to do that to them in the summer means that they'll have less to rely on in the winter to get through what could be a weaker season.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:31 - 1:47:34)
So to me, it feels a little bit more like, okay, well now if I'm not

[Speaker 3] (1:47:34 - 1:47:49)
I'm not just talking about citizens, but I'm also talking about businesses, then I really need to consider less the food truck and more the you know stationary brick and mortars. Also when we talk about food and beverage, you don't get food and beverage from a food truck, you do get food and beverage from a brick and mortar.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:50 - 1:47:55)
So when I go through some of those sort of ticks, it it lands me towards the

[Speaker 3] (1:47:57 - 1:47:59)
What is it, Swamp Scap? Sorry.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:59 - 1:48:00)
Performing arts.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:00 - 1:48:11)
Swamp Scap Center for Performing Arts model takes more of the quote benefits towards the people of Swamp Scap the way that I would like to think about, you know, facilitating that.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:12 - 1:48:15)
So that's just how I sort of went through. That's the model I used.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:15 - 1:48:17)
But to that end, too,

[Speaker 6] (1:48:17 - 1:48:19)
you know, if we go with that assumption,

[Speaker 6] (1:48:19 - 1:48:19)
right,

[Speaker 6] (1:48:19 - 1:48:20)
that

[Speaker 6] (1:48:22 - 1:48:44)
utilizing someone with an indoor space someone that wants to utilize an indoor space what happens if they get in there and they can't utilize that kitchen or there there is a bigger problem with associate associated with actually generating the food and beverage revenue that we're so heavily counting on that we never actually see realized like what do we do at that point

[Speaker 3] (1:48:45 - 1:48:47)
Well, I don't know we're so heavily counting on it.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:47 - 1:48:48)
We are saying

[Speaker 6] (1:48:48 - 1:48:48)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:48 - 1:48:48)
like

[Speaker 6] (1:48:48 - 1:48:49)
we're factoring it in,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:49 - 1:48:49)
we're factoring

[Speaker 6] (1:48:49 - 1:48:50)
and we're designing.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:50 - 1:48:52)
it in as a benefit, because that's the representation they made for sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:52 - 1:48:53)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:53 - 1:48:58)
So say that doesn't happen, we're not getting it with the food truck either. So you're saying like is

[Speaker 6] (1:48:58 - 1:48:58)
But what

[Speaker 3] (1:48:58 - 1:48:58)
it better

[Speaker 6] (1:48:58 - 1:49:07)
if it leads us down, I'm saying what if they get into that kitchen and there are more problems than end up actually happening that we as a landlord then have to fix as

[Speaker 4] (1:49:07 - 1:49:07)
Well we

[Speaker 6] (1:49:07 - 1:49:08)
well as not getting food and beverage revenue.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:08 - 1:49:09)
We're not going to.

[Speaker 6] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
We're not gonna

[Speaker 3] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
We're

[Speaker 1] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:49:09 - 1:49:11)
not going to be fixing it. We've already made that clear.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:11 - 1:49:11)
we

[Speaker 1] (1:49:11 - 1:49:13)
So then why would they pay us?

[Speaker 4] (1:49:13 - 1:49:14)
so th

[Speaker 3] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
They're not going

[Speaker 4] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
if

[Speaker 3] (1:49:14 - 1:49:15)
to.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:15 - 1:49:23)
I if I'm not mistaken, and I'm fairly certain I'm not, we have thirty days to enter into an agreement because the draft uh lease is already included as part of the R_F_P_

[Speaker 1] (1:49:23 - 1:49:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:24 - 1:49:25)
If it's awarded,

[Speaker 4] (1:49:26 - 1:49:33)
we would have them in whoever immediately to look at it and they could conceivably to the point you all are making say

[Speaker 3] (1:49:34 - 1:49:34)
We're d We're

[Speaker 4] (1:49:34 - 1:49:35)
thanks,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:35 - 1:49:35)
locked.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:35 - 1:49:40)
but the model that we gave you, when we walked around, it was rose-coloured glasses.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:40 - 1:49:40)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:40 - 1:49:41)
Looking at it now it's different.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:42 - 1:49:42)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:42 - 1:49:52)
That's entirely possible, but it is an opportunity where we move from we're talking about proposals to someone's in there and looking at it and saying we can get this done, we're gonna get it done, or

[Speaker 4] (1:49:53 - 1:49:54)
Whatever.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:54 - 1:49:55)
Uh you know, that that

[Speaker 1] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
So we

[Speaker 4] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
window

[Speaker 1] (1:49:55 - 1:49:58)
take on that risk, right? That risk is there.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:58 - 1:49:59)
Of them walking.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:59 - 1:49:59)
Of the correct.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:59 - 1:50:00)
Of course, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:01 - 1:50:05)
Instead of going with one where we don't have as much risk, right, but we're still getting something,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:05 - 1:50:06)
right? That's the offset.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:06 - 1:50:08)
I think the rift exists for both,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
I think to they're

[Speaker 4] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
get

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
kind

[Speaker 4] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
inside

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
of

[Speaker 4] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
again

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:09)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09)
and see

[Speaker 5] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09)
it and say

[Speaker 5] (1:50:09 - 1:50:10)
sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:50:11 - 1:50:18)
I'm just thinking food and beverage revenue from a kitchen risk, right? If one is utilizing it and one is not, that's a different situation.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:18 - 1:50:19)
Right. I was just saying tactically the building

[Speaker 1] (1:50:19 - 1:50:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:19 - 1:50:21)
itself you get in there, it's

[Speaker 1] (1:50:21 - 1:50:21)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:50:21 - 1:50:24)
a too. different conversation once we've had it awarded and we're in that discussion

[Speaker 1] (1:50:24 - 1:50:25)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:25 - 1:50:28)
of, you know, final terms, but we've already laid out the draft.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:29 - 1:50:33)
That's when we would be back, you know, someone would have more access to get in and go see it.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:34 - 1:50:43)
As part of the RFP we had any time that week it was we again just to give a little more background for everyone originally we said there's going to be like one time two hours come in and see it.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:43 - 1:50:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:43 - 1:50:54)
Instead what we said to them all and it was the first addendum we're going to have a whole week just call Marcy's office we will get you in between Max, myself and Marcy at any point over these five days.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:54 - 1:50:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:54 - 1:51:00)
You know and so that was their opportunity to go in and folks could have taken advantage of that to say I'm going to go in two or three times.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:00 - 1:51:04)
times. Instead each group went in and had, you know, varying

[Speaker 3] (1:51:04 - 1:51:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:04 - 1:51:15)
um amounts of time that they spent within the building. But it's inactive proc procurement. So at that point that was your opportunity. You had questions that were developed out of that visit that we answered or, you know,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:15 - 1:51:16)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:16 - 1:51:18)
were or were not submitted to us. And that's sort of where we are now.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:19 - 1:51:42)
But I also think it's uh I also think as we're talking about food and beverage revenue, I think it's important to say, you know, that that the food trucks were a part of the limited li limited time only uh presentation. I'm not trying to speak for you, Mr Cal Mr Kalahar, but I'm just going after uh re and we're recalling uh, you know, our conversation from several weeks ago, and you know, you did indicate that, you know, there there would be

[Speaker 1] (1:51:42 - 1:51:42)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:42 - 1:51:45)
um there would be some synergies with the local restaurants. So

[Speaker 1] (1:51:45 - 1:51:46)
Yeah that's what he

[Speaker 6] (1:51:46 - 1:51:46)
so

[Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:46)
just like

[Speaker 6] (1:51:46 - 1:51:46)
with

[Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:47)
really

[Speaker 6] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
yes

[Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
tried to point out.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
So,

[Speaker 4] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
what I mean,

[Speaker 4] (1:51:47 - 1:51:49)
yeah, so so with yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:51:49 - 1:51:49)
press

[Speaker 4] (1:51:49 - 1:51:49)
so with

[Speaker 6] (1:51:49 - 1:51:49)
present?

[Speaker 4] (1:51:49 - 1:51:53)
that I think there's the ability to generate additional food

[Speaker 6] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53)
and I

[Speaker 4] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53)
beverage

[Speaker 6] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53)
think we're

[Speaker 4] (1:51:53 - 1:52:01)
revenue over that over and above that baseline that we have in addition to what the you know what the what the brewery what the the Yeah. cafe Uh it well,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:01 - 1:52:02)
Um, we

[Speaker 4] (1:52:02 - 1:52:03)
no no, hold on.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:03 - 1:52:04)
wait, wait, let's not engage.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
No

[Speaker 6] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:52:04 - 1:52:05)
comment

[Speaker 6] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
Doug is

[Speaker 4] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
sorry

[Speaker 6] (1:52:05 - 1:52:11)
on the um is op Doug, if you could go ahead and make comment, because I know you're um constrained.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:14 - 1:52:14)
Maybe he just,

[Speaker 8] (1:52:14 - 1:52:17)
He didn't send the password.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
no.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:17 - 1:52:19)
No. No, yeah, no. He's gotta

[Speaker 7] (1:52:19 - 1:52:19)
He's gotta.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:19 - 1:52:20)
unmute himself.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:23 - 1:52:23)
Is he there?

[Speaker 7] (1:52:23 - 1:52:24)
Right here he is.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:24 - 1:52:25)
Can you hear me now?

[Speaker 7] (1:52:25 - 1:52:26)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 9] (1:52:26 - 1:52:27)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 8] (1:52:27 - 1:52:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (1:52:27 - 1:52:30)
Okay. I'll just state it for the record briefly.

[Speaker 9] (1:52:31 - 1:52:34)
For all the reasons that Katie and Mary Ellen have stated,

[Speaker 9] (1:52:34 - 1:52:37)
I'm in favor of the Swamp Start Center for the Performing Arts.

[Speaker 9] (1:52:37 - 1:52:41)
And I totally agree with Danielle that we should immediately commence,

[Speaker 9] (1:52:41 - 1:52:43)
if that is the way we go,

[Speaker 9] (1:52:43 - 1:52:45)
with the long-term planning.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:48 - 1:52:49)
Thanks. Thanks, Doug.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:49 - 1:52:50)
Thanks, Doug.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:50 - 1:52:52)
Doug's on an airplane,

[Speaker 8] (1:52:52 - 1:52:53)
so that's why he's short today.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:53 - 1:52:55)
He's not normally that brief.

[Speaker 10] (1:52:55 - 1:52:56)
Um,

[Speaker 10] (1:52:56 - 1:52:57)
no offense.

[Speaker 10] (1:52:58 - 1:52:59)
Um,

[Speaker 10] (1:52:59 - 1:53:01)
all right. Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:53:01 - 1:53:05)
I mean, I think we've all brought up some valid points. There's risks for both processes.

[Speaker 10] (1:53:06 - 1:53:09)
There's risks for the third process, which we've talked about.

[Speaker 10] (1:53:09 - 1:53:11)
I think I've gotten myself.

[Speaker 10] (1:53:12 - 1:53:39)
committed in my mind that having nothing happen is not the answer we ask a town meeting for the ability to be able to do this we should try to see if we can execute doing this but at the same time we committed to town meeting and we commit here again all of us have committed to immediately moving forward with a long-term project here so that we can you know really solidify the fact that this is a limited time offer and we

[Speaker 10] (1:53:39 - 1:53:41)
we are going to be proposing something permanent.

[Speaker 10] (1:53:44 - 1:53:47)
I mean, if does anybody else have additional comments before we move to vote?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:48 - 1:53:56)
I I just want to say we really you know, I just want to be sure because we really don't need to pick either one. If we really

[Speaker 1] (1:53:57 - 1:54:09)
Think about this, like we we don't need to award it just to award it because we said we were going to or we we said we were going to see what we would get and see if it made logical sense.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:09 - 1:54:21)
In no offense to either one of these organizations but these are not the strongest proposals we've ever seen and it just because we said we were going to pick one does it mean we have to, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:54:21 - 1:54:23)
And there is a third option to David's point.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:24 - 1:54:33)
And I just, I don't think we focused enough on it, I think we're really stuck on having to pick one or the other here, and I just, I'm not sure it's the right play. I'm really not.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:34 - 1:54:36)
And I think, I th if I can, and I think

[Speaker 4] (1:54:36 - 1:54:36)
Doug what?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:36 - 1:54:38)
we was that Doug?

[Speaker 10] (1:54:38 - 1:54:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:38 - 1:54:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:38 - 1:54:44)
I think, I think we have a great opportunity here. We have a short window to to

[Speaker 3] (1:54:45 - 1:54:55)
bring in some revenue while we're getting a project ready for shovel shovel ready and I do think that both of these both of these

[Speaker 1] (1:54:55 - 1:55:21)
proposals are good proposals. I do think one is better than the other. Um on limited times, the concerns that I have is outdoor entertainment and how that affects the neighbourhood with the um the performance centre, it's indoors, it's three hundred thousand dollars. I think if there's risk that something's not gonna work out, there's a thirty year window thirty day window to come out with the lease. But

[Speaker 1] (1:55:22 - 1:55:30)
To miss out on an opportunity to make some additional money in there while we get to a shovel ready project,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:30 - 1:55:35)
I personally feel that taking that step is in the best interest of the community.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:38 - 1:55:41)
Yeah, and Danielle, I'll just reiterate because I don't disagree with you.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:41 - 1:55:42)
I think,

[Speaker 10] (1:55:42 - 1:55:47)
like I said, I had to go through the many logics of this process before I got to this conclusion.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:47 - 1:55:50)
But even if we decided not to go with any of these,

[Speaker 10] (1:55:51 - 1:55:53)
we would be carrying costs for this building,

[Speaker 10] (1:55:53 - 1:55:54)
electricity,

[Speaker 10] (1:55:54 - 1:55:55)
heat,

[Speaker 10] (1:55:55 - 1:55:57)
safety.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:58 - 1:56:26)
of having a vacant building for likely at least 18 months if I think about how the Hadley happened right and we put it out for our RFP that we knew what was going to happen at the Hadley we knew it was a hotel but say we'll presuppose we know what's going to happen here say we want the building down it's going to be 20 percent park 30 percent uh parking 50 percent development and that's the RFP that goes out tomorrow by the time that goes out gets answered gets reviewed

[Speaker 10] (1:56:27 - 1:56:28)
We pick a winner,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:29 - 1:56:32)
we work on an LDA with their council,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:32 - 1:56:35)
they go through a due diligence, but they go through a due diligence period,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:35 - 1:56:37)
maybe even a finance contingency period.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:37 - 1:56:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:38 - 1:56:40)
They are not taking down a building.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:41 - 1:56:44)
I would say the fastest is 18 months. I'm happy to be wrong,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:44 - 1:56:45)
but like...

[Speaker 1] (1:56:46 - 1:56:49)
And Kit, do we not have the option to just take it down ourselves?

[Speaker 10] (1:56:49 - 1:56:53)
I mean of course we have the option, we own it, but we'd have to find the funds to do it.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:54 - 1:56:58)
But again, we're looking at far less funds than we thought we were two weeks ago,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:58 - 1:57:07)
right? We lot we thought we were looking at two million dollars because that's what was earmarked in capital when in reality we have two estimates in front of us showing two hundred ninety five thousand.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:08 - 1:57:08)
But I but

[Speaker 3] (1:57:08 - 1:57:12)
This this estimate also shows non-union labour. I don't I

[Speaker 3] (1:57:12 - 1:57:16)
This is very nice, these estimates, but unless we're getting an estimate from the town,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:16 - 1:57:17)
Well, don't reveal

[Speaker 3] (1:57:17 - 1:57:17)
I would

[Speaker 6] (1:57:17 - 1:57:17)
any

[Speaker 3] (1:57:17 - 1:57:18)
rather I would rather see

[Speaker 6] (1:57:18 - 1:57:19)
Don't reveal any weight

[Speaker 10] (1:57:19 - 1:57:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:19 - 1:57:20)
with me.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:20 - 1:57:20)
It's

[Speaker 10] (1:57:20 - 1:57:21)
It say we

[Speaker 3] (1:57:21 - 1:57:22)
it's right here, a non

[Speaker 10] (1:57:22 - 1:57:22)
I think,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:22 - 1:57:22)
-linear

[Speaker 10] (1:57:22 - 1:57:22)
okay, let's not

[Speaker 3] (1:57:22 - 1:57:23)
labour.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:23 - 1:57:23)
go

[Speaker 3] (1:57:23 - 1:57:23)
I know,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:23 - 1:57:23)
But

[Speaker 3] (1:57:23 - 1:57:23)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:23 - 1:57:29)
even if we wanted to get an I mean why wouldn't we wait to get one then? At at our own

[Speaker 3] (1:57:29 - 1:57:30)
In fact, I think we've got it.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:30 - 1:57:33)
you know, in our own interest. What are we we're rushing to do this.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:34 - 1:57:35)
I I just

[Speaker 1] (1:57:35 - 1:57:37)
I just, again,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:37 - 1:57:41)
I think that we could be getting ourselves into more trouble than it's worth.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:41 - 1:57:42)
That's what I feel,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:42 - 1:57:43)
right?

[Speaker 10] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
Okay, so we're sticking

[Speaker 1] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
We're talking

[Speaker 10] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
with...

[Speaker 1] (1:57:43 - 1:57:45)
about if we award it to

[Speaker 4] (1:57:45 - 1:57:45)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:45 - 1:57:45)
Swamp

[Speaker 4] (1:57:45 - 1:57:45)
uh

[Speaker 1] (1:57:45 - 1:57:59)
Start Center for the Performing Arts, we're talking about an upstairs with a puppet theater and all other types of things that they're banking on. When they get upstairs and they look at the condition of the Hawthorne, we are the landlords of that building,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:59 - 1:58:01)
right? Like it just...

[Speaker 1] (1:58:01 - 1:58:13)
I don't know. I just foresee the worst happening and I don't, I just don't know that it's a smart move for 27 months and what is it ultimately going to bring us? Is it really going to bring us what they are saying it's going to?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:13 - 1:58:15)
I don't know that I'm confident.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:16 - 1:58:17)
Deduct.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:20 - 1:58:21)
Yeah, I hear you, Danielle.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:22 - 1:58:24)
Obviously, we come down on different sides of it.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:27 - 1:58:28)
If they proceed,

[Speaker 9] (1:58:28 - 1:58:31)
if we end up signing a contract with them,

[Speaker 9] (1:58:31 - 1:58:40)
they will be obligated to pay us and they will hopefully be contributing by and large what they're promised.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:46 - 1:58:48)
I would do it, not

[Speaker 3] (1:58:48 - 1:58:49)
You're breaking up,

[Speaker 9] (1:58:49 - 1:58:49)
doing

[Speaker 3] (1:58:49 - 1:58:49)
Johnny.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:49 - 1:58:53)
it just to do something.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:54 - 1:58:58)
I'm not being judged to do something.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:58 - 1:59:02)
I'm treating everything engaging happening that's also a financial benefit.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:05 - 1:59:07)
Okay, so you were breaking up a little bit,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:07 - 1:59:09)
but I think, I

[Speaker 3] (1:59:09 - 1:59:10)
You think got the gist.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:10 - 1:59:13)
we got the gist of it. Yeah, that you're not picking it just to pick something,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:14 - 1:59:20)
you understand there's a third option and that you believe that there will be a financial benefit at the end of it. I think that is what you were trying to convey.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:21 - 1:59:23)
And to be honest,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:24 - 1:59:25)
I mean, when I look at either of them.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:26 - 1:59:33)
I think I want there to be success and I want there to be a financial benefit. That would be best case scenario.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:33 - 1:59:43)
Worst case scenario is they just defray the cost that we were going to have to pay. So that already is a financial benefit to us with utilities and heat.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:44 - 1:59:46)
That's money we're not spending, right?

[Speaker 4] (1:59:46 - 1:59:50)
Oh unless there is not a building there then we're not spending on insurance or utilities

[Speaker 5] (1:59:50 - 1:59:50)
But...

[Speaker 4] (1:59:50 - 1:59:52)
or heat because there's no building there.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:52 - 1:59:56)
So for the next 24 months is the cost of heat,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:57 - 2:00:02)
property insurance and utilities greater than five hundred thousand dollars?

[Speaker 4] (2:00:03 - 2:00:04)
Who

[Speaker 6] (2:00:04 - 2:00:04)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:00:04 - 2:00:04)
who

[Speaker 6] (2:00:04 - 2:00:04)
don't know.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:04 - 2:00:13)
knows if the roof caves in if we have another storm like we just had i i don't know what could potentially go wrong in an antiquated building like that, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:00:14 - 2:00:17)
But we're not committing to any capital expenditures on the building.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:17 - 2:00:18)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:18 - 2:00:21)
So the roof caves in and what happens, the contract is void, 'cause we can no longer

[Speaker 4] (2:00:22 - 2:00:23)
If the roof reverts caves But in.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:23 - 2:00:23)
it's

[Speaker 2] (2:00:23 - 2:00:23)
Well

[Speaker 4] (2:00:23 - 2:00:25)
and there are people in that building what do we do?

[Speaker 6] (2:00:25 - 2:00:26)
Yeah, what happens?

[Speaker 4] (2:00:26 - 2:00:27)
Nothing happens?

[Speaker 7] (2:00:27 - 2:00:33)
Can you restate the question since you were both speaking, and I'll see if I can answer it. Can you say it again, Danielle, I'm sorry. I you were

[Speaker 4] (2:00:33 - 2:00:33)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (2:00:33 - 2:00:34)
both

[Speaker 4] (2:00:34 - 2:00:35)
Let me let me say it really really slowly.

[Speaker 7] (2:00:35 - 2:00:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:36 - 2:00:39)
If there are people in the building and the roof caves in, what do we do?

[Speaker 7] (2:00:39 - 2:00:44)
That I mean if there's people in the building, you people would be injured and we would rely on insurance. I I

[Speaker 4] (2:00:45 - 2:00:48)
But these are things that we have to consider as a landlord.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:49 - 2:00:56)
As a landlord of of an organization that's going to occupy two floors inside that building.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:57 - 2:01:09)
Right like it just is and maybe we'll get lucky we very well could but maybe we won't and I just don't know that I feel comfortable saying okay well let's just take a chance but

[Speaker 4] (2:01:13 - 2:01:19)
I get the other you know I get the other side of it also it's just it's a scary proposition so

[Speaker 4] (2:01:21 - 2:01:21)
should we take a vote

[Speaker 2] (2:01:22 - 2:01:27)
Yeah, I just want to be clear. There's no indication from Max or anybody that the roof's going to cave in.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:27 - 2:01:29)
I mean, I know there's No, a risk, any risk that you could take in any building.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:29 - 2:01:31)
Like, unfortunately something could happen here and

[Speaker 4] (2:01:31 - 2:01:32)
yes, yes,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:32 - 2:01:33)
something could happen at SES and

[Speaker 4] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:33 - 2:01:35)
Swampside Elementary,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:35 - 2:01:37)
even though the building's brand new.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:37 - 2:01:41)
There's always a risk. I understand the risk is greater in the older building.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:41 - 2:01:41)
I get that.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:42 - 2:01:48)
But I don't think we should be afraid of trying to activate the space.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:48 - 2:01:50)
Literally people were just in it.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:50 - 2:01:51)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:01:51 - 2:01:51)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:51 - 2:01:51)
mean, no,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:51 - 2:01:52)
but we all toured it also,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:52 - 2:01:53)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:01:53 - 2:01:56)
Let's not pretend like we went in there and everything was perfect,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:56 - 2:01:56)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:01:56 - 2:01:58)
of course, nobody's, I don't think anybody's pretending that.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:59 - 2:02:01)
You know, there were challenges there,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:01 - 2:02:05)
like for us to say that, you know, they were running people, you know,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:05 - 2:02:07)
restaurant was running two months ago,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:07 - 2:02:07)
sure, true.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:08 - 2:02:12)
But let's, let's understand what we're setting ourselves up for.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:13 - 2:02:17)
And and and if we honestly decide to go that way we do then we just you know

[Speaker 8] (2:02:17 - 2:02:20)
And we will find out more in the th in the thirty day due diligence

[Speaker 4] (2:02:20 - 2:02:20)
Absolutely

[Speaker 7] (2:02:20 - 2:02:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:20 - 2:02:20)
period.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:20 - 2:02:20)
absolutely

[Speaker 7] (2:02:20 - 2:02:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:21 - 2:02:22)
A lot more.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:23 - 2:02:23)
Well

[Speaker 2] (2:02:26 - 2:02:30)
All right, um so I guess we will move to a f I will take a motion for a vote

[Speaker 4] (2:02:32 - 2:02:36)
So I would like to motion

[Speaker 4] (2:02:36 - 2:02:37)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:37 - 2:02:40)
the question is how how do we actually vote? We have two proposals

[Speaker 1] (2:02:41 - 2:02:41)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:02:41 - 2:02:42)
It would be to award

[Speaker 4] (2:02:42 - 2:02:42)
Motion

[Speaker 1] (2:02:42 - 2:02:43)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:02:43 - 2:02:43)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:02:43 - 2:02:43)
to

[Speaker 7] (2:02:43 - 2:02:43)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:02:43 - 2:02:45)
we award. will motions to award the R_F_P_ to

[Speaker 1] (2:02:45 - 2:02:45)
It's not.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:45 - 2:02:45)
Respondent.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:45 - 2:02:48)
from center further for limited time only.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:48 - 2:02:58)
So I would make a motion to award the proposal to the Swamp Scott Performing Arts number one and if

[Speaker 2] (2:02:58 - 2:02:59)
Hunter, Swamp Scott Center for Performing Arts.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:59 - 2:03:08)
and if they choose not to take it I would propose propose it to go to the next candidate, the limited.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:09 - 2:03:09)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:03:09 - 2:03:09)
I'm

[Speaker 4] (2:03:09 - 2:03:12)
I would do it in that order.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:13 - 2:03:15)
That would be my proposal,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:15 - 2:03:15)
I was

[Speaker 4] (2:03:15 - 2:03:16)
my motion.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:16 - 2:03:18)
So can you guys?

[Speaker 2] (2:03:18 - 2:03:20)
Five seconds with delay.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:20 - 2:03:22)
Is, I just, yes, we got it. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:22 - 2:03:28)
I just want to make sure are we able to, is that, are we able to vote that one?

[Speaker 7] (2:03:28 - 2:03:28)
I'm uncertain

[Speaker 2] (2:03:28 - 2:03:28)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:03:28 - 2:03:29)
about

[Speaker 2] (2:03:29 - 2:03:29)
am uncertain

[Speaker 7] (2:03:29 - 2:03:29)
the double

[Speaker 2] (2:03:29 - 2:03:29)
also.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:29 - 2:03:29)
condition.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:29 - 2:03:31)
So then let me change my motion. So

[Speaker 2] (2:03:31 - 2:03:32)
I would just do one.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:32 - 2:03:34)
I'm gonna make a motion

[Speaker 7] (2:03:34 - 2:03:34)
Actually that

[Speaker 4] (2:03:34 - 2:03:36)
to award

[Speaker 4] (2:03:37 - 2:03:43)
uh award this RFP to the center the what what is it called

[Speaker 2] (2:03:43 - 2:03:43)
Center

[Speaker 4] (2:03:43 - 2:03:43)
the storm

[Speaker 2] (2:03:43 - 2:03:44)
for San Francisco

[Speaker 4] (2:03:44 - 2:03:44)
scat

[Speaker 2] (2:03:44 - 2:03:44)
Performing

[Speaker 4] (2:03:44 - 2:03:44)
Center for

[Speaker 2] (2:03:44 - 2:03:45)
Arts.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:45 - 2:03:46)
Performing Arts.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:49 - 2:03:49)
Doug we

[Speaker 1] (2:03:49 - 2:03:50)
Second

[Speaker 4] (2:03:50 - 2:03:50)
have that.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:50 - 2:03:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:51 - 2:03:57)
Okay, so we have to take a roll call vote because Doug's on an airplane so Doug

[Speaker 2] (2:04:02 - 2:04:02)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:02 - 2:04:03)
Bye.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:03 - 2:04:03)
Danielle.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:08 - 2:04:08)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:09 - 2:04:09)
David?

[Speaker 8] (2:04:09 - 2:04:09)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:10 - 2:04:11)
And I am an aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:13 - 2:04:14)
Um with that

[Speaker 4] (2:04:14 - 2:04:17)
Can I make an oh go ahead. another motion um

[Speaker 2] (2:04:17 - 2:04:17)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:17 - 2:04:19)
so I'd like to make

[Speaker 4] (2:04:20 - 2:04:22)
Is this is this possible? I'd like to make

[Speaker 2] (2:04:22 - 2:04:22)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (2:04:22 - 2:04:23)
a motion

[Speaker 2] (2:04:23 - 2:04:23)
it is.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:23 - 2:04:28)
that in the event the swanscott Center for Performing Arts does not

[Speaker 7] (2:04:28 - 2:04:31)
I think if we can just keep it to the one and I will come back to you.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:32 - 2:04:32)
We could always

[Speaker 7] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
If we need to

[Speaker 2] (2:04:33 - 2:04:38)
we could always have a meeting if we needed to.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:38 - 2:04:48)
I will update at the next meeting and the following meeting, that will get us to thirty days, if I'm not mistaken, looking at the calendar. So if there is a need, that would be just at the end of the thirty days that we could

[Speaker 2] (2:04:48 - 2:04:50)
I just don't want to violate the first vote

[Speaker 7] (2:04:50 - 2:04:50)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:50 - 2:04:51)
if we yeah okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:51 - 2:04:52)
I'm fine.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:52 - 2:04:52)
Okay

[Speaker 4] (2:04:52 - 2:04:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:54 - 2:04:58)
Alright s um so I also will reiterate

[Speaker 2] (2:04:59 - 2:05:11)
We're a final time for this meeting that we are committing to go forward with an RFP or RFI for a future development imminently. We just have to wrap this up, get this lease signed,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:11 - 2:05:14)
and we can start putting that together.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:14 - 2:05:15)
You know, we

[Speaker 4] (2:05:15 - 2:05:17)
Do we need to make a motion to do that?

[Speaker 2] (2:05:17 - 2:05:23)
don't. I don't think we need to make a motion. We could just commit to it. It's just like we did at town meeting. We can commit to it.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:25 - 2:05:26)
Because I do agree,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:26 - 2:05:27)
Danielle,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:27 - 2:05:28)
that we need to, and

[Speaker 4] (2:05:28 - 2:05:29)
We absolutely do.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:29 - 2:05:30)
There's no...

[Speaker 2] (2:05:30 - 2:05:37)
there is risk and we need to mitigate it as best we can and taking the building down might just do that. So let's work on doing that.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:39 - 2:05:47)
Okay, so we will move on to discussion and possible vote on town actions related to ICE and the federal immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:47 - 2:05:49)
Thank you, Chief Quesada, for waiting so long.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:49 - 2:05:49)
All right, no problem.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:50 - 2:05:53)
And so just very briefly on each of the last two items,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:53 - 2:05:54)
I have a quick update.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:54 - 2:05:57)
I had asked the chief to come. I'm sorry that I made you wait this long to

[Speaker 8] (2:05:57 - 2:05:57)
Oh, it's

[Speaker 7] (2:05:57 - 2:05:58)
speak.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:58 - 2:05:58)
okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:59 - 2:05:59)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:00 - 2:06:08)
we have been continuing to have conversations, the chief with other chiefs of police and also with our legal counsel.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:09 - 2:06:27)
What we would like to do is to come back on the 18th with both a policy for the police to be accepted as well as a narrowly defined so that it can be as useful as possible prohibition for any use of town property. We want to make sure that it reflects what's possible.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:28 - 2:06:36)
We're happy to hear anything that you all wanted to share or any questions obviously that would reflect the will of the board, but in terms of trying to have a prohibition that

[Speaker 7] (2:06:36 - 2:06:41)
and that is sticky enough to be meaningful, we we do request two more weeks to be able to get something together.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:44 - 2:06:51)
Yeah, I mean, I think just for me, even post our proclamation, there was a lot of chatter obviously about whether even,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:51 - 2:06:55)
you know, what what some towns have already done is constitutional.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:56 - 2:07:04)
Obviously, I don't want to just stand up circumstance and say we we did it just to do it. I want it to mean something. So if that requires more time from town council.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:05 - 2:07:14)
Absolutely. I think what's important for me here is that we are not reactionary, we're trying to be proactive.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:15 - 2:07:17)
This is an issue across the nation,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:17 - 2:07:23)
but fortunately it's not an issue in Swampscott today that we are well aware of,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:23 - 2:07:29)
and so I would like to be proactive about it and prepare our citizens so that God forbid it becomes an issue,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:29 - 2:07:38)
we exactly know how they can move and how it is safe and how we are maintaining the values of Swampscott for the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:39 - 2:07:45)
In speaking to fellow police chiefs and as well as legal counsel,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:45 - 2:07:47)
it's largely uncharted legal territory.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:48 - 2:08:02)
That's been legislation that has recently come out in reference to the governor's legislation and the executive order, including the city of Boston,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:02 - 2:08:03)
Chelsea,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:03 - 2:08:04)
Lynn's proclamation,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:05 - 2:08:07)
those are largely untested.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:09 - 2:08:16)
I'm not a lawyer. I hate to say it depends. What it comes down to is federal supremacy versus state sovereignty.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:16 - 2:08:19)
And that is the million dollar question.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:21 - 2:08:30)
Yeah, I mean we m we may not have an answer in advance a s a substantial enough answer in advance of us making a decision. But

[Speaker 2] (2:08:30 - 2:08:40)
Like obviously I would like to have a little bit more understanding from K.P. like what the sticky wickets are and how we can try to either we get in them and we don't care or we at least

[Speaker 7] (2:08:40 - 2:08:40)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:40 - 2:08:43)
we're we're navigating them away from them.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:43 - 2:08:45)
Mm-hmm. And go ahead, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:46 - 2:08:56)
Do we feel that we're communicating enough to people of what to do in the event that they see they if they think that there's a situation in their neighborhood I mean

[Speaker 4] (2:08:57 - 2:08:59)
I just that's my concern.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:00 - 2:09:06)
I think that I think that it should be outlined specifically in speaking to my fellow colleagues,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:07 - 2:09:09)
police chiefs in the on the North Shore.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:09 - 2:09:11)
I know Salem,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:11 - 2:09:14)
city of Salem is currently working on their policy,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:14 - 2:09:16)
their immigration policy,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:16 - 2:09:21)
their immigration non enforcement policy, as well as Beverly just.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:22 - 2:09:46)
completed theirs and I have a copy of Beverly's that is other towns what I've been seeing is either they're putting a town proclamation and the the police department immigration policy is separate so the city of Lynn has general orders their policy that specifically outlines

[Speaker 2] (2:09:47 - 2:09:50)
What to do for police officers,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:50 - 2:10:00)
say for instance if a community resident from Lynn calls the police department and they're not sure whether there are police officers,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:00 - 2:10:05)
people who are masked, who might have logos that say police,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:05 - 2:10:06)
if they have a question,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:06 - 2:10:08)
the police will respond.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:10 - 2:10:11)
We will also, or I'm sorry,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:11 - 2:10:12)
Lynn,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:12 - 2:10:13)
the police department,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:13 - 2:10:22)
will also try to confirm with DHS, ICE, CBP, whichever federal agency it is, and confirm whether they are there or not.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:22 - 2:10:23)
If they get confirmation,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:24 - 2:10:26)
then they'll advise the caller.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:27 - 2:10:28)
That is DHS,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:28 - 2:10:31)
that is ICE, that is CBP, and then they won't respond.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:31 - 2:10:39)
But if a resident calls and they end up calling 911 and not the 80% that call the business line,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:39 - 2:10:41)
so the 20% that call the 911 number,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:41 - 2:10:49)
is that 911 number going to be really clear saying sending a Swarm Scout police officer out there to deal and recognize what is going on?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:49 - 2:10:51)
If there's any question.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:52 - 2:10:56)
uh about the credibility of anybody there police will be responding.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:56 - 2:10:57)
Our police will be there.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:57 - 2:10:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:57 - 2:10:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:00 - 2:11:05)
And that's something that's been communicated at least back to when Captain Cable was here.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:05 - 2:11:06)
Yes, um

[Speaker 3] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
When I was

[Speaker 2] (2:11:06 - 2:11:10)
we first started talking about this in January of twenty five.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:10 - 2:11:11)
Do we have that on our website?

[Speaker 4] (2:11:12 - 2:11:13)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:11:13 - 2:11:14)
What to do, I mean.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:14 - 2:11:17)
We have the meeting, so uh the chief and I can certainly put something together,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:17 - 2:11:18)
So if

[Speaker 3] (2:11:18 - 2:11:18)
it's just

[Speaker 4] (2:11:18 - 2:11:19)
maybe we can just do like a little fact sheet

[Speaker 3] (2:11:19 - 2:11:20)
one page

[Speaker 4] (2:11:20 - 2:11:20)
or something

[Speaker 3] (2:11:20 - 2:11:20)
or something.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:20 - 2:11:21)
for, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:21 - 2:11:22)
Definitely.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:22 - 2:11:22)
Does it look like it this

[Speaker 4] (2:11:22 - 2:11:22)
like

[Speaker 3] (2:11:22 - 2:11:23)
stills what Cap's

[Speaker 4] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23)
on the

[Speaker 5] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23)
clinic's

[Speaker 3] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23)
need to do.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:23 - 2:11:29)
use website that the police maybe could share on their Facebook page, that we could share on the town page just to say

[Speaker 3] (2:11:30 - 2:11:30)
We got that.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:30 - 2:11:31)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:31 - 2:11:34)
yeah, we we understand and this is what this is the

[Speaker 2] (2:11:36 - 2:11:37)
It does seem that um

[Speaker 2] (2:11:38 - 2:11:44)
Almost all the agencies that I've read, the policies, are all very, very similar.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:44 - 2:11:45)
So it's,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:45 - 2:11:46)
They're really vetted through legal counsel.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:46 - 2:11:47)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:47 - 2:11:48)
So they're all exactly the same,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:48 - 2:11:50)
They really are.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:50 - 2:11:50)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:50 - 2:11:50)
They really are.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:50 - 2:12:04)
And then we all have the same guidance from the Mass Chiefs of Police Association that is giving chiefs and their communities guidance into how to respond to these type of situations.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:08 - 2:12:25)
So there is how the police responds, how the town responds and then how the board would like to respond. So I think we've made our proclamation and now we're asking to make sure that, you know, we figure out legally and appropriately how police and town will move forward and you guys are vetting that through.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:12:25 - 2:12:26)
-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:26 - 2:12:29)
we will hopefully have you back at the next meeting where

[Speaker 3] (2:12:29 - 2:12:29)
Sure. We

[Speaker 4] (2:12:29 - 2:12:30)
you can will present.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:30 - 2:12:32)
be, yeah, we will definitely present at the next meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:32 - 2:12:33)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:34 - 2:12:36)
Any additional questions for Chief or?

[Speaker 1] (2:12:37 - 2:12:45)
I have one more additional question. So are we really talking about in the event ICE is here, we're talking about their use of our town property?

[Speaker 1] (2:12:46 - 2:12:48)
Is that what we're really looking at?

[Speaker 2] (2:12:48 - 2:12:52)
So what we've seen, I've seen both from town proclamations. The town,

[Speaker 2] (2:12:52 - 2:12:56)
it's not just the police department, but some of the towns, I know like Arlington,

[Speaker 2] (2:12:56 - 2:13:03)
Brookline, some I've recently seen, it'll be a town policy saying that there will be no ICE.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:04 - 2:13:13)
DHS agents on any town or city property and then that will be the overlying policy for all town

[Speaker 2] (2:13:14 - 2:13:15)
property.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:15 - 2:13:25)
Just like Governor Engley's executive order of state facilities. There will be no ICE agents on any state facilities.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:25 - 2:13:31)
I i I think is a distinction of staging because they don't know that we can prevent them from coming

[Speaker 4] (2:13:31 - 2:13:31)
entering.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:31 - 2:13:32)
on to property

[Speaker 1] (2:13:32 - 2:13:32)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:32 - 2:13:40)
it's using it for stage that was the distinction I thought like the mayor and the governor had mayor Wu and the governor that

[Speaker 3] (2:13:40 - 2:13:45)
It's to keep them sort of out of city and state property in the staging, but obviously

[Speaker 2] (2:13:46 - 2:14:01)
But what and and speaking to uh K.P. Law, what uh they have seen is if you if the city the state says you cannot use our property, well they'll be at a nearby public park and they'll still be

[Speaker 2] (2:14:02 - 2:14:02)
in the area.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:03 - 2:14:03)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (2:14:03 - 2:14:03)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:14:03 - 2:14:03)
right.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:03 - 2:14:04)
you can't prevent them.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:05 - 2:14:05)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:05 - 2:14:07)
It's it's been untested.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:07 - 2:14:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:07 - 2:14:11)
Right. And that's how we're worried about how narrowly we need to tailor it to make sure it's something

[Speaker 4] (2:14:11 - 2:14:11)
Make it

[Speaker 3] (2:14:11 - 2:14:11)
that

[Speaker 4] (2:14:11 - 2:14:11)
effective.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:11 - 2:14:29)
right. But I don't want to dissuade you and I said this, David, while you were out of the room, but from expressing the will of the board at any point, whether it's tonight or in two weeks, even if what we bring to you is not something that goes as far as I think that's an important distinction to make as well. We'll have a policy for police.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:29 - 2:14:34)
We'll put together what we can on the town side and then obviously everything else you guys have to do from there is.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:35 - 2:14:36)
100% up to you.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:37 - 2:14:37)
Very good.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:40 - 2:14:44)
Okay. Uh the Council on Aging is being

[Speaker 3] (2:14:44 - 2:14:45)
So we

[Speaker 4] (2:14:45 - 2:14:46)
delayed from the agenda.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:46 - 2:14:49)
are going to push that to the 18th as well. Bob Howells

[Speaker 1] (2:14:49 - 2:14:50)
When are we going to was be here going on the 18th?

[Speaker 3] (2:14:51 - 2:14:51)
Hmm?

[Speaker 1] (2:14:52 - 2:14:55)
How long are we going to be here on the 18th? Everything's coming to the 18th then.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:56 - 2:14:57)
Just two things.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:57 - 2:14:57)
That's those two.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:57 - 2:14:58)
We still have another meeting.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:58 - 2:14:58)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:58 - 2:14:59)
This is budget.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:59 - 2:15:00)
Bob Powell's well that's gonna

[Speaker 4] (2:15:00 - 2:15:00)
The budget's

[Speaker 3] (2:15:00 - 2:15:01)
now

[Speaker 4] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
gonna be on

[Speaker 3] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
um.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:01 - 2:15:03)
every single week. Get comfy.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:03 - 2:15:10)
Bob Powell who was gonna do the presentation with Heidi head of the council and chair of uh swans cut for all ages as well.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:10 - 2:15:12)
Their family welcomed a grandchild this

[Speaker 4] (2:15:12 - 2:15:13)
Congratulations, week.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:13 - 2:15:13)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:15:13 - 2:15:14)
Bob.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:14 - 2:15:17)
so he was trying to balance being here versus going to see the grandchild.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:17 - 2:15:20)
And I, after talking to you, encouraged him to

[Speaker 4] (2:15:20 - 2:15:20)
No question.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:20 - 2:15:28)
see the grandchild first. And we can wait a couple of weeks to get the presentation. So I'll continue to coordinate with him and Heidi in preparation for that presentation as well.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:28 - 2:15:29)
Sounds wonderful.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:30 - 2:15:32)
Congratulations to Bob and his family.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:34 - 2:15:41)
We will move on to the consent agenda, which is approval of the minutes from January twenty first and February eleventh.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:42 - 2:15:43)
Do we have the minutes?

[Speaker 4] (2:15:43 - 2:15:45)
Do we have the minutes?

[Speaker 4] (2:15:47 - 2:15:49)
They were in the front of the binder.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:49 - 2:15:50)
In the pocket? There

[Speaker 1] (2:15:50 - 2:15:51)
In the front.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:51 - 2:15:51)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:51 - 2:15:51)
you go.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:51 - 2:15:51)
in the pocket.

[Speaker 3] (2:15:51 - 2:15:52)
Ah.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:52 - 2:15:54)
In the pocket. Would you like to wait, David?

[Speaker 4] (2:16:06 - 2:16:06)
Me.

[Speaker 7] (2:16:06 - 2:16:09)
I'm good. Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:09 - 2:16:10)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:10 - 2:16:13)
Uh, roll call, Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 1] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:13 - 2:16:14)
Danielle?

[Speaker 1] (2:16:14 - 2:16:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:14 - 2:16:15)
David?

[Speaker 7] (2:16:15 - 2:16:15)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:15 - 2:16:15)
Doug?

[Speaker 4] (2:16:16 - 2:16:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:19 - 2:16:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:19 - 2:16:26)
And I am an aye. Um we'll move on to select board time. Doug, do you have anything while you're unmuted?

[Speaker 4] (2:16:30 - 2:16:30)
Nope.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:34 - 2:16:36)
Anybody like to start? Or like to go?

[Speaker 1] (2:16:36 - 2:16:39)
Uh I can start, I Is Mr Mirecki here?

[Speaker 4] (2:16:41 - 2:16:42)
Nope, not here,

[Speaker 1] (2:16:42 - 2:16:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:42 - 2:16:43)
got it wrong.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:43 - 2:16:47)
Um Mr Dullet, thank you very much for being here tonight and bringing us these

[Speaker 4] (2:16:47 - 2:16:48)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:16:48 - 2:16:48)
video.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:48 - 2:16:48)
me.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:48 - 2:16:49)
There's one more.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:49 - 2:16:51)
Is is there someone else there?

[Speaker 3] (2:16:51 - 2:16:52)
I need my shot.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:52 - 2:16:52)
Nate.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:53 - 2:16:53)
Oh, and Mr.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:54 - 2:16:56)
Beichheim, thank you, Monique Beichheim for being here. I

[Speaker 4] (2:16:56 - 2:16:56)
Kate's

[Speaker 1] (2:16:56 - 2:16:57)
couldn't see

[Speaker 4] (2:16:57 - 2:16:57)
great.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:57 - 2:17:09)
you from but thank you again for your hard work and I also want to congratulate uh two people. I want to congratulate our DPW our DPW Director Gino Christa for becoming a grandpa.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:11 - 2:17:26)
And I also want to congratulate the Engels family. The Engels family, they're the Engels and the Palmer family, and they are people who settled this community and they just welcomed their fourteenth generation, um,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:27 - 2:17:33)
Engels into uh into the world. So this is this is pretty exciting,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:34 - 2:17:36)
especially uh as we get ready to

[Speaker 1] (2:17:37 - 2:17:54)
Welcome our 250th anniversary and we talk a lot about the Glover House and we actually have people who are direct descendants of the revolution and have homes and properties here in town so we we've got deep deep roots here so congratulations.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:57 - 2:17:59)
Congratulations. Anyone else?

[Speaker 1] (2:18:02 - 2:18:03)
Scrolling.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:03 - 2:18:24)
I do just want to quickly appreciate Shannon for giving us some new formatting for the minutes and creating some efficiencies. She's like hit the ground running so I just want to appreciate all the effort that she's put in on creating new processes and procedure and making her mark for us. Thank you Shannon.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:26 - 2:18:27)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:28 - 2:18:28)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:29 - 2:18:31)
We have to roll call, although Doug's gone.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:31 - 2:18:32)
We lost Doug.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:32 - 2:18:32)
He's gone.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:32 - 2:18:34)
Oh, let's still roll call just in case.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:34 - 2:18:36)
Uh, Doug, uh David.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:36 - 2:18:36)
Hi.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:36 - 2:18:37)
Danielle.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:37 - 2:18:37)
Hi.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:37 - 2:18:38)
Marilyn.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:38 - 2:18:38)
Hi.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:38 - 2:18:39)
And I am an aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:39 - 2:18:39)
Alright.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:39 - 2:18:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:40 - 2:18:41)
Thank you.