[Speaker 1] (2:22 - 2:28)
All right, so we're gonna call the March 9th meeting of the planning board to order.

[Speaker 1] (2:30 - 2:33)
First we have a few announcements. Krista, if you wanna take us through that.

[Speaker 2] (2:36 - 2:38)
Absolutely. Can everyone hear me?

[Speaker 1] (2:38 - 2:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:38 - 2:48)
We just wanted to make a brief announcement to let applicants know of some scam emails that have been going around. The scam emails.

[Speaker 2] (2:49 - 3:10)
are saying that they're from the planning board asking for a wire transfer and we just wanted to make an announcement in case you got one that the the town will never ask for a wire transfer and that it's a scam and if the town any town email address will end in dot gov so just a few notes but thank you

[Speaker 1] (3:11 - 3:11)
Thanks, Krista.

[Speaker 1] (3:13 - 3:18)
So we are going to open with a continuation from our March

[Speaker 3] (3:18 - 3:19)
You

[Speaker 1] (3:19 - 3:19)
2nd.

[Speaker 3] (3:19 - 3:21)
can't even tell her that it hurts.

[Speaker 4] (3:25 - 3:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:27 - 3:32)
Our March 2nd public hearing for 20 application 26-03 for 68 Puritan Lane.

[Speaker 1] (3:34 - 3:34)
Peter,

[Speaker 1] (3:34 - 3:36)
are you able to speak to this again?

[Speaker 3] (3:37 - 3:37)
Yes,

[Speaker 5] (3:37 - 3:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:38 - 3:39)
I'm happy to.

[Speaker 1] (3:39 - 3:39)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (3:39 - 3:41)
So my two colleagues here,

[Speaker 5] (3:41 - 3:42)
Do you want me to Jared, go through and the whole presentation?

[Speaker 1] (3:42 - 3:47)
Joe were not here for the meeting last week. So you can if you want to go through the presentation,

[Speaker 1] (3:47 - 3:48)
Bill,

[Speaker 5] (3:48 - 3:48)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:48 - 3:49)
who's joined us now,

[Speaker 1] (3:49 - 3:51)
and I obviously are here from that meeting.

[Speaker 1] (3:51 - 3:57)
So if you want to take us through and answer any questions that our colleagues here have before we entertain any motions.

[Speaker 1] (3:57 - 3:59)
So I'll hand it over to you, Peter.

[Speaker 5] (4:00 - 4:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (4:02 - 4:05)
Can I go ahead and share the presentation?

[Speaker 1] (4:05 - 4:06)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (4:06 - 4:06)
That would be great.

[Speaker 5] (4:22 - 4:24)
Okay, can everyone see our cover page?

[Speaker 1] (4:24 - 4:25)
Yep

[Speaker 5] (4:26 - 4:28)
Okay, 68 Parrot and Lane,

[Speaker 5] (4:28 - 4:32)
the Olson Ballista residents.

[Speaker 5] (4:33 - 4:40)
The intent here is we're tearing out an existing swimming pool,

[Speaker 5] (4:40 - 4:42)
taking down an existing shed,

[Speaker 5] (4:42 - 4:49)
and preparing a in-law ADU.

[Speaker 5] (4:49 - 5:14)
and pool house combination the the way you'll come into the site you'll come through to this outdoor patio then you'll transition to a covered porch and then the actual structure which is on a center line to the new pool all of the paving surfaces will be pervious

[Speaker 5] (5:16 - 5:18)
the patios and walkways.

[Speaker 5] (5:22 - 5:24)
We have Matt Bliss,

[Speaker 5] (5:24 - 5:26)
the landscape architect,

[Speaker 5] (5:26 - 5:27)
on board with me tonight.

[Speaker 5] (5:27 - 5:30)
Matt, do you want to go over your beautiful plan?

[Speaker 1] (5:31 - 5:32)
Yeah, of course.

[Speaker 1] (5:34 - 5:42)
So the landscape plan sort of shows everything around the proposed pool house.

[Speaker 1] (5:42 - 5:44)
There's a pool and a...

[Speaker 6] (5:45 - 5:49)
Sort of assorted different levels of patio spaces and walkways.

[Speaker 6] (5:50 - 5:59)
We're still, you know, working through final material selections, but all the paving around the pool area is planned to be permeable paving.

[Speaker 6] (6:00 - 6:09)
And if it, you know, if it's not permeable paving, it might be wood decking where there'll be crushed stone or some way for water to infiltrate below grade.

[Speaker 6] (6:11 - 6:25)
And one thing that's sort of not shown in the landscape plan that we've sort of planning on develop is that there will be walkways and access on both sides of the house going from the front to the back.

[Speaker 6] (6:26 - 6:30)
We're just waiting on survey information in the front to update that.

[Speaker 6] (6:30 - 6:40)
And there will be pool enclosure around the entire rear yard and then gates on the side yards along either of those walkways.

[Speaker 1] (6:43 - 6:52)
Can you outline where on the plan the gate or the fence is going to be? I know you did this last week, but is it kind of right around where the hedging is along the property lines?

[Speaker 5] (6:54 - 6:56)
So on the left side, you see my

[Speaker 6] (6:56 - 6:56)
Do you

[Speaker 5] (6:56 - 6:56)
cursor?

[Speaker 6] (6:56 - 6:57)
see my cursor?

[Speaker 1] (6:57 - 6:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (6:58 - 6:59)
Left side of the table.

[Speaker 2] (6:59 - 7:00)
I

[Speaker 5] (7:00 - 7:00)
And

[Speaker 2] (7:00 - 7:00)
don't know if I

[Speaker 5] (7:00 - 7:04)
then on the right side, it's just off, cut off here,

[Speaker 5] (7:04 - 7:06)
but it'd basically be in line with the house.

[Speaker 1] (7:09 - 7:10)
I'm sorry, Peter, could you repeat that?

[Speaker 6] (7:11 - 7:13)
Sure. The volume just dropped.

[Speaker 5] (7:17 - 7:20)
There's there's one gate here.

[Speaker 1] (7:20 - 7:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (7:20 - 7:23)
You can see my cursor on the bottom of the screen.

[Speaker 1] (7:23 - 7:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (7:24 - 7:28)
And there'll be another gate up where you see the 7-7 dimension line.

[Speaker 1] (7:29 - 7:29)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (7:33 - 7:36)
And then the house doors will all be alarmed as required by code.

[Speaker 1] (7:39 - 7:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (7:41 - 7:48)
I have reviewed this plan with Rich Baldacci and with Bob Fockner, the fire protection.

[Speaker 1] (7:51 - 7:51)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (7:54 - 7:56)
As we go into the structure,

[Speaker 5] (7:56 - 7:58)
I've pointed out there's an open patio.

[Speaker 5] (7:59 - 8:00)
There'll be a grill,

[Speaker 5] (8:01 - 8:02)
fireplace,

[Speaker 5] (8:02 - 8:04)
a covered porch.

[Speaker 5] (8:06 - 8:14)
then transition into the pool house ADU Murphy bed arrangement here,

[Speaker 5] (8:14 - 8:15)
full kitchen,

[Speaker 5] (8:16 - 8:18)
full bath and shower,

[Speaker 5] (8:18 - 8:28)
and we are showing an outdoor shower which will be roofed and hard plumbed into the sewer system.

[Speaker 1] (8:32 - 8:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (8:34 - 8:40)
The structure is conforming with our zoning ordinances, so no relief is being requested.

[Speaker 1] (8:41 - 8:42)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (8:42 - 8:43)
And that's about it for tonight.

[Speaker 1] (8:45 - 8:45)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (8:47 - 8:49)
Having been at the last hearing,

[Speaker 1] (8:49 - 8:52)
I had all of my questions exhausted,

[Speaker 1] (8:52 - 8:56)
but wanted to give Jer and Joe any questions you have for the applicant. Feel free to.

[Speaker 7] (8:58 - 9:00)
Very quick question for you. Um

[Speaker 7] (9:00 - 9:03)
The back of the outdoor fireplace,

[Speaker 7] (9:03 - 9:08)
what is being shown um that's on the porch side, the covered porch side?

[Speaker 3] (9:08 - 9:10)
That would be a gas fireplace. So

[Speaker 7] (9:10 - 9:11)
A gas

[Speaker 3] (9:11 - 9:11)
they're actually

[Speaker 7] (9:11 - 9:11)
fireplace.

[Speaker 3] (9:11 - 9:13)
back-to-back fireplaces, but

[Speaker 7] (9:13 - 9:14)
Excellent, thank

[Speaker 3] (9:14 - 9:14)
it's not

[Speaker 7] (9:14 - 9:14)
you.

[Speaker 3] (9:14 - 9:15)
a see-through.

[Speaker 7] (9:16 - 9:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (9:39 - 9:45)
Angela wanted us at the last meeting to make clear that she's not able to be here this evening, but she was supportive

[Speaker 1] (9:46 - 9:50)
of this application, and if she were here would vote to support it.

[Speaker 1] (9:52 - 9:53)
Bill, is that a fair

[Speaker 7] (9:53 - 9:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (9:53 - 9:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (9:54 - 9:55)
Word for word.

[Speaker 1] (10:01 - 10:11)
So from my perspective this is feels like a very well designed and thought out landscape plan and architectural plan.

[Speaker 1] (10:16 - 10:21)
So I really do not see anything that's causing me to question it.

[Speaker 2] (10:23 - 10:23)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (10:24 - 10:27)
Is there any members of the public who wish to speak on this application?

[Speaker 2] (10:29 - 10:31)
Or online, you can use the raise your hand function.

[Speaker 2] (10:34 - 10:35)
All right, seeing none,

[Speaker 2] (10:35 - 10:39)
any other questions or comments from the board, otherwise I can entertain any motions.

[Speaker 1] (10:44 - 10:45)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 2] (10:46 - 10:47)
Is there a second?

[Speaker 3] (10:47 - 10:48)
A second.

[Speaker 2] (10:48 - 10:53)
All right. All those in favor of approving a s uh site plan review for tw application 26003C?

[Speaker 4] (10:53 - 10:57)
So I think we believe that we need to close the public hearing. Oh. Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (10:57 - 10:58)
Right. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (10:59 - 11:00)
So.

[Speaker 2] (11:00 - 11:02)
I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 1] (11:03 - 11:04)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (11:04 - 11:06)
Second? All those in favor?

[Speaker 2] (11:06 - 11:07)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (11:07 - 11:09)
All right. Motion to approve.

[Speaker 1] (11:09 - 11:10)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (11:10 - 11:15)
All right. All those in favor approving site plan review for application 26003 sixty period of lane?

[Speaker 2] (11:16 - 11:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (11:16 - 11:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (11:17 - 11:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (11:17 - 11:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (11:18 - 11:20)
All right, that is unanimous. Congratulations Peter, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (11:21 - 11:23)
Thank you everyone, appreciate all your support.

[Speaker 2] (11:24 - 11:24)
Of course.

[Speaker 2] (11:28 - 11:29)
I can take this one.

[Speaker 1] (11:29 - 11:30)
Okay, yep.

[Speaker 1] (11:31 - 11:38)
All right, opening up the hearing for 25-21 80 Puritan Road by Scott, by B. Scott Miller.

[Speaker 1] (11:38 - 11:41)
I don't think the applicant's here.

[Speaker 4] (11:43 - 11:43)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (11:43 - 11:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (11:43 - 11:48)
so the applicant is not here unless he is attending online.

[Speaker 4] (11:49 - 11:55)
There has been a request to continue this petition. We don't have enough voting members at tonight's

[Speaker 1] (11:55 - 11:55)
meeting Yep.

[Speaker 4] (11:55 - 11:59)
since the chairperson is recused.

[Speaker 1] (11:59 - 11:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (12:00 - 12:02)
So I have a request

[Speaker 4] (12:04 - 12:07)
for hearing continuation that can be signed once this is continued to the next meeting.

[Speaker 1] (12:07 - 12:12)
Okay. Did the applicant request the continuation or? Oh, okay. Okay,

[Speaker 1] (12:12 - 12:12)
fine.

[Speaker 1] (12:13 - 12:13)
Motion.

[Speaker 1] (12:14 - 12:15)
Uh second.

[Speaker 5] (12:15 - 12:15)
Motion to continue.

[Speaker 1] (12:15 - 12:19)
All right, all those in favour? Aye.

[Speaker 1] (12:19 - 12:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (12:22 - 12:23)
Welcome back.

[Speaker 2] (12:23 - 12:24)
Thank you. Thank you, Joe.

[Speaker 2] (12:25 - 12:32)
All right. Application twenty six dash zero four for five Huron Street. It's the applicant.

[Speaker 2] (12:32 - 12:35)
Is there someone here to speak on behalf of the applicant? Great.

[Speaker 2] (12:38 - 12:39)
I'll turn it over to you, Mr.

[Speaker 2] (12:39 - 12:39)
Schutzer.

[Speaker 5] (12:40 - 12:40)
It's a pleasure.

[Speaker 5] (12:41 - 12:44)
Is it just the four regular members tonight?

[Speaker 2] (12:44 - 12:45)
Just the four

[Speaker 5] (12:45 - 12:45)
Miss

[Speaker 2] (12:45 - 12:45)
of us

[Speaker 5] (12:45 - 12:45)
DiCipolito

[Speaker 2] (12:45 - 12:46)
this evening.

[Speaker 5] (12:46 - 12:46)
is not here.

[Speaker 2] (12:47 - 12:47)
That's correct.

[Speaker 5] (12:47 - 12:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (12:49 - 12:52)
May it please the board and for the record,

[Speaker 5] (12:52 - 12:54)
my name is Attorney Kenneth Schutzer.

[Speaker 5] (12:54 - 13:00)
I appear with my client Anthony Billardi who is to my right, to your left.

[Speaker 6] (13:00 - 13:03)
He is the owner of 5 Huron Street.

[Speaker 6] (13:03 - 13:06)
He's here with his fiancee who is sitting next to him.

[Speaker 6] (13:07 - 13:24)
They purchased the house approximately two years ago and it wasn't shortly thereafter that Mr. Velarde came to my office to inquire as to the process of what is involved in putting a second level on the house to have a two family.

[Speaker 6] (13:25 - 13:27)
Just for purpose of edification,

[Speaker 6] (13:27 - 13:32)
it's in a A4 zoning district and the two family is allowed by right.

[Speaker 6] (13:34 - 13:41)
But insofar as the construction and relative to the new change in the zoning bylaw,

[Speaker 6] (13:41 - 13:45)
any new construction will require a site plan special permit.

[Speaker 6] (13:45 - 13:46)
We are here.

[Speaker 6] (13:49 - 13:51)
The house was built approximately in 1924.

[Speaker 6] (13:51 - 13:56)
We had provided some pictures of the house in the package.

[Speaker 6] (13:56 - 13:59)
It would be described as a bungalow.

[Speaker 6] (14:00 - 14:06)
It is in a district that has many different types of architecture.

[Speaker 6] (14:06 - 14:09)
There are many multi-family homes in that area.

[Speaker 6] (14:10 - 14:16)
And the reason it took approximately two years to get to this point is because of the fact that it is a bungalow.

[Speaker 6] (14:17 - 14:20)
is because the process itself is very expensive.

[Speaker 6] (14:21 - 14:26)
It started with having first to identify an engineer to do the site plan

[Speaker 6] (14:27 - 14:31)
and then an architect. You know, Mr.

[Speaker 6] (14:31 - 14:43)
Velarde is a working man and the costs were somewhat prohibitive, so it's sort of been done through him in stages of putting money aside and hiring people.

[Speaker 6] (14:44 - 14:52)
I would just indicate, it's almost anecdotally, that a portion of that was the proceeds of his income tax return from last year,

[Speaker 6] (14:52 - 14:56)
but he then had enough money in order to commence the project.

[Speaker 6] (14:56 - 14:57)
He is seeking,

[Speaker 6] (14:58 - 15:01)
as I said, a site plan special permit under section 5400.

[Speaker 6] (15:01 - 15:09)
He wishes to convert his existing, pre-existing non-conforming single family home into a two family.

[Speaker 6] (15:10 - 15:16)
partially in order to generate the additional revenue to support the home and to improve the value of the property.

[Speaker 6] (15:17 - 15:19)
It is on its existing footprint.

[Speaker 6] (15:19 - 15:21)
There'll be no change in the footprint.

[Speaker 6] (15:21 - 15:23)
We're moving up vertically.

[Speaker 6] (15:23 - 15:27)
We'll be putting on a second story and an attic above that.

[Speaker 6] (15:28 - 15:32)
I provided you with both pictures of the existing structure,

[Speaker 6] (15:33 - 15:42)
those were actually taken from and included in the mortgage survey that was done on the appraisal, and that's where those pictures are from.

[Speaker 6] (15:42 - 15:51)
I would indicate that there'll be no change in the landscaping, to some degree because there's really no more room to landscape than is already previously landscaped.

[Speaker 6] (15:52 - 15:55)
We'll be including no more impervious

[Speaker 6] (15:56 - 16:10)
Um, service then apparently exists because as I said we're just going vertically. Um I did receive a couple of comments uh came in um I think today, um two of which were from from the town.

[Speaker 6] (16:11 - 16:21)
One was in the police department who indicated that they had no particular thoughts one way or the other. They just wanted to ensure that when the work is done that it's properly policed,

[Speaker 6] (16:21 - 16:23)
which would obviously be the case.

[Speaker 6] (16:23 - 16:25)
And the second was from Mr.

[Speaker 6] (16:25 - 16:26)
Kresser from the Department of Public Works,

[Speaker 6] (16:26 - 16:40)
who had indicated that there is a, you can actually see it, there's a pipe that comes using as a gutter which goes along the side and Mr. Kresser indicated that he wished.

[Speaker 6] (16:40 - 16:43)
that that pipe not empty out on the sidewalk.

[Speaker 6] (16:43 - 17:12)
Um so what we were considering doing is putting in some kind of drywell now we're not creating any more um surface area so we're not creating any more water but apparently the water that currently exists and flowing from the roof will be crossing that sidewalk and we'll we'll clearly address that and that could be a condition of any approval of the site plan special permit assuming that the board is predisposed to grant that um the last was a letter from a a woman who apparently is unable to

[Speaker 6] (17:12 - 17:25)
unable to be here this evening, uh and she indicated a concern with regard to parking. Um I I would just say parenthetically that her bigger concern from this letter was the people from Lynn

[Speaker 6] (17:26 - 17:28)
parking their cars in Swamp Scott,

[Speaker 6] (17:28 - 17:31)
of which we have little and no control.

[Speaker 6] (17:32 - 17:42)
I was thinking that one thing that could be done if this is a problem on that street is that we would address it by seeing if we could apply to have only permanent

[Speaker 6] (17:43 - 17:44)
parking for residents only.

[Speaker 6] (17:44 - 18:03)
I don't know whether the other residents who live on Huron similarly feel that way, but if this one person considers it to be an issue, I guess it could be done through parking enforcement with the city of Lynn if in fact that's causing the problem, or just having permitting for residents and residents guests only.

[Speaker 6] (18:06 - 18:11)
That's sort of, and I I gave you a package and the the package can is a lot of it was done

[Speaker 6] (18:12 - 18:24)
By Mr. Valardi himself. He was the author. I put him to work not because he is an expert, but because he is very much interested in this and did a lot of research,

[Speaker 6] (18:25 - 18:28)
and secondly because the cost of just hiring independent

[Speaker 6] (18:28 - 18:32)
research, but I I think it is basic enough. I th One of the things that we did discover,

[Speaker 6] (18:33 - 18:42)
and this was uh sort of at the at the end and it happened at the end only because um the uh the the flood maps changed.

[Speaker 6] (18:42 - 18:44)
just within the last couple of months.

[Speaker 6] (18:44 - 18:48)
So when I met with Kristen and I met with Rich Baldacci,

[Speaker 6] (18:48 - 18:52)
Rich said, it looks great except for one caveat that just appeared.

[Speaker 6] (18:52 - 18:53)
And I said,

[Speaker 6] (18:53 - 18:54)
oh no, what now?

[Speaker 6] (18:55 - 18:57)
He said, well, you may not realize this,

[Speaker 6] (18:57 - 19:00)
but you are in a flood zone.

[Speaker 6] (19:01 - 19:03)
To which I said, you're kidding.

[Speaker 6] (19:03 - 19:03)
He said,

[Speaker 6] (19:04 - 19:05)
no, no, these are the maps.

[Speaker 6] (19:05 - 19:08)
I then immediately spoke to my client who said,

[Speaker 6] (19:09 - 19:21)
Uh we've never had any water, but I'm not I can't control and I obviously you could appeal the D_E_P_ decision, but it really wasn't the made an awful lot of sense. Um so so that had to be addressed.

[Speaker 6] (19:21 - 19:25)
And that is being addressed. And the reason I bring that to your attention,

[Speaker 6] (19:25 - 19:28)
because even if you don't bring it to your attention, I will,

[Speaker 6] (19:28 - 19:32)
is that it will require that if the construction,

[Speaker 6] (19:32 - 19:38)
the new construction were to exceed 50% of the valuation of the existing structure,

[Speaker 6] (19:38 - 19:41)
we would have to jack the entire building up.

[Speaker 6] (19:45 - 19:48)
From the perspective of both Mr. Baldacci and I,

[Speaker 6] (19:48 - 19:49)
Krista can speak for herself,

[Speaker 6] (19:50 - 19:54)
made little or no sense in that there were no other houses that have...

[Speaker 1] (19:59 - 20:02)
He's never had a drop of water in the basement. There is not a sump pump there.

[Speaker 1] (20:02 - 20:04)
There hasn't been any flooding.

[Speaker 1] (20:04 - 20:07)
It's not a problem. But it has to be addressed.

[Speaker 1] (20:07 - 20:09)
So the way this is being addressed

[Speaker 1] (20:10 - 20:21)
is that the project as currently contemplated and as provided within the packet of information that's being given to you is primarily just for the shell.

[Speaker 1] (20:21 - 20:23)
That's being done really for a couple of reasons,

[Speaker 1] (20:23 - 20:25)
one of which I just explained,

[Speaker 1] (20:25 - 20:28)
the other of which at this point he doesn't have the funds.

[Speaker 1] (20:29 - 20:34)
in order to do the entire build-out. So it's being done over a period of time.

[Speaker 1] (20:35 - 20:38)
It's similar to another project that we had with six units.

[Speaker 1] (20:38 - 20:41)
This is just his home. He's going to continue to live there.

[Speaker 1] (20:41 - 20:49)
The work will be done and then we'll be coming back once we're ready to do the interior when the financing is available.

[Speaker 1] (20:50 - 20:51)
That's sort of an overview.

[Speaker 1] (20:51 - 20:53)
I know you have a rather large agenda tonight.

[Speaker 1] (20:54 - 20:55)
I can probably speak.

[Speaker 1] (20:56 - 21:06)
on this for longer, but generally what what happens is you have some probative questions which either I or Mr Velardi uh are here to answer.

[Speaker 2] (21:09 - 21:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (21:10 - 21:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (21:10 - 21:19)
Um I think we should can now open the public hearing to all those in favour of opening the public hearing for application two four five zero four for five Huron Street.

[Speaker 2] (21:20 - 21:22)
Uh, is there a motion to open the public hearing?

[Speaker 3] (21:22 - 21:23)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (21:23 - 21:23)
Is there a second?

[Speaker 4] (21:23 - 21:24)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (21:24 - 21:25)
Alright, all those in favour? Aye.

[Speaker 3] (21:25 - 21:25)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (21:25 - 21:38)
Okay. Uh members of the board, feel free to ask uh the applicant uh questions on this, also knowing that this is our congratulations, our first application in the new coastal flood area overlay district.

[Speaker 2] (21:38 - 21:38)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (21:38 - 21:40)
You know, somebody has to be the first.

[Speaker 2] (21:40 - 21:41)
yeah, somebody

[Speaker 1] (21:41 - 21:41)
I thought

[Speaker 2] (21:41 - 21:41)
has

[Speaker 1] (21:41 - 21:47)
I was going to be the first to ask for a refund on the prepayment I made at the planning board because I felt prey to that.

[Speaker 1] (21:47 - 21:49)
I got one too.

[Speaker 2] (21:49 - 21:49)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (21:49 - 21:49)
It's... Well,

[Speaker 2] (21:49 - 22:00)
so it goes. Um, so could you just tell me again what, what the proposed solution is that you're looking at to address,

[Speaker 2] (22:00 - 22:03)
um, the public works concerns about the water

[Speaker 1] (22:03 - 22:04)
we're going

[Speaker 2] (22:04 - 22:04)
run?

[Speaker 1] (22:04 - 22:04)
to...

[Speaker 1] (22:05 - 22:08)
That pipe was there when we bought the house, and he spoke to one of his neighbors,

[Speaker 1] (22:09 - 22:10)
and the neighbor,

[Speaker 1] (22:10 - 22:16)
interestingly enough, put the PVC pipe under the sidewalk so it now goes into the street.

[Speaker 1] (22:16 - 22:18)
We really didn't want to dig up the sidewalk,

[Speaker 1] (22:18 - 22:22)
so the second alternative is to rechannel it back.

[Speaker 1] (22:23 - 22:27)
For the back of the house, which then goes up so the water won't be flowing into the neighbors,

[Speaker 1] (22:27 - 22:28)
our Mr.

[Speaker 1] (22:28 - 22:35)
Velarde thought that the other approach would be just to put in a dry well and let whatever excess water just go into that dry well.

[Speaker 1] (22:36 - 22:37)
Either proposal.

[Speaker 2] (22:37 - 22:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (22:37 - 22:42)
But what we're more than willing to do, and I was not aware that this was an issue,

[Speaker 1] (22:42 - 22:50)
is that we will re-channel that and I would have no problem with that being a condition of the application approval.

[Speaker 2] (22:50 - 22:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (22:52 - 22:55)
What is the relief that you're seeking from our colleagues on the zoning board?

[Speaker 1] (22:56 - 22:56)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (22:56 - 22:57)
If any.

[Speaker 1] (22:57 - 23:00)
well it there's no there's no use issues. Um

[Speaker 2] (23:00 - 23:01)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (23:01 - 23:03)
it and it's it falls under the Bellotta case,

[Speaker 2] (23:03 - 23:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (23:04 - 23:10)
because the one or two family. Um currently um it it it has parking for two cars.

[Speaker 1] (23:11 - 23:23)
Um it's not the greatest parking scheme we've ever seen, but it's consistent with the parking scheme for anyone in that neighbourhood. It's it's another neighbour similarly has to park in the back. Um so we have sufficient parking, but I was

[Speaker 1] (23:24 - 23:32)
I'm and one of the things you learn over the years is to anticipate the unanticipated and that generally is people have questions about things such as that.

[Speaker 2] (23:32 - 23:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (23:32 - 23:42)
It only it requires one space per per unit and the other argument you could make would be that this house being built in 1924

[Speaker 1] (23:43 - 23:56)
preceded any parking requirements and therefore the only parking relief we would need would be for one car because now we're just adding one additional unit and we clearly have space for that.

[Speaker 1] (23:58 - 24:00)
I incorporated that in the application.

[Speaker 1] (24:01 - 24:13)
The other is now with regard to the issue of the floodplain that comes under the auspices of the building department and now the Zoning Board of Appeals.

[Speaker 2] (24:16 - 24:18)
So how many parking spots are currently

[Speaker 1] (24:18 - 24:18)
Well, currently he

[Speaker 2] (24:18 - 24:19)
on

[Speaker 1] (24:19 - 24:19)
is,

[Speaker 2] (24:19 - 24:19)
site?

[Speaker 1] (24:19 - 24:21)
currently shown on the plan are two.

[Speaker 2] (24:21 - 24:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (24:27 - 24:29)
But they're sandwiched in the back.

[Speaker 2] (24:30 - 24:31)
Okay. So

[Speaker 1] (24:31 - 24:31)
So

[Speaker 2] (24:31 - 24:31)
you wouldn't

[Speaker 1] (24:31 - 24:31)
it's

[Speaker 2] (24:31 - 24:31)
need

[Speaker 1] (24:31 - 24:33)
not the most convenient. It works, but

[Speaker 2] (24:33 - 24:33)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (24:33 - 24:39)
it's not the most convenient parking scheme created. And clearly, if there was more property,

[Speaker 1] (24:39 - 24:41)
you know, that would have been addressed.

[Speaker 1] (24:42 - 24:47)
You know, obviously one of the overriding issues that come to play.

[Speaker 1] (24:48 - 24:55)
is that the areas that the town has designated for multifamily are generally the areas that are most congested.

[Speaker 2] (24:55 - 24:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (24:56 - 24:57)
It's ironic,

[Speaker 1] (24:57 - 25:06)
you know, the A1s in town with the larger lots have more space and therefore it doesn't become a problem,

[Speaker 1] (25:06 - 25:07)
but those are the lots,

[Speaker 1] (25:07 - 25:10)
and that's the district that only permit one family.

[Speaker 1] (25:10 - 25:28)
So the irony is has never been resolved other than maybe with an ADU, but the irony is still out there. So we're working within the confines of the lot size within the confines of the present existing foundation on the lot.

[Speaker 1] (25:31 - 25:40)
The Board of Appeals could, in fact, waive any additional parking. And that was contemplated to give them that prerogative if they thought that was appropriate.

[Speaker 2] (25:40 - 25:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (25:43 - 25:46)
Krista, could you refresh my memory, the parking requirement in the A4 district,

[Speaker 2] (25:46 - 25:48)
is that still one one or one point five?

[Speaker 1] (25:49 - 25:51)
It it's it's w no, it's one space per unit.

[Speaker 2] (25:51 - 25:51)
One space per

[Speaker 1] (25:51 - 25:51)
Uh

[Speaker 2] (25:51 - 25:51)
unit.

[Speaker 1] (25:51 - 25:53)
for one and two family, it's one space.

[Speaker 2] (25:53 - 25:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (25:56 - 25:58)
The parking restrictions are on the

[Speaker 5] (25:59 - 26:03)
Bottom side of the drawing, on the left side of the drawing it's on the screen now,

[Speaker 1] (26:07 - 26:11)
It's uh, it's the rear of the drawing you'll see a one and a two and it's like little

[Speaker 5] (26:12 - 26:13)
pipes across the top.

[Speaker 1] (26:13 - 26:16)
So you're looking at a picture here, and I'm not sure what you, but it

[Speaker 2] (26:16 - 26:16)
But

[Speaker 1] (26:16 - 26:17)
yes,

[Speaker 2] (26:17 - 26:17)
they're the same

[Speaker 1] (26:17 - 26:17)
it's

[Speaker 2] (26:17 - 26:17)
way.

[Speaker 1] (26:17 - 26:18)
it's depicted there.

[Speaker 2] (26:19 - 26:24)
But it's to the left of the of the building and it's currently marked right-of-way

[Speaker 1] (26:24 - 26:26)
There there's a sheer driveway between

[Speaker 2] (26:26 - 26:27)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (26:27 - 26:29)
that house and the other house so therefore

[Speaker 1] (26:30 - 26:40)
Theoretically you can't park a car there permanently because it would theoretically obstruct the right of the abutter to park his car in the back of his house.

[Speaker 5] (26:40 - 26:42)
So that's why you go around the back.

[Speaker 1] (26:42 - 26:48)
So they both use that, one goes to the right, one goes to the left, they park their cars in the rear of the house of their respective homes.

[Speaker 6] (26:49 - 26:52)
Oh, so w that's what what the one is?

[Speaker 1] (26:52 - 26:56)
No, the the one is maybe if I can

[Speaker 1] (27:10 - 27:14)
which is the one of the cars, and there's a two here, which is the second parking space two,

[Speaker 6] (27:14 - 27:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (27:14 - 27:21)
and second parking space one, that was put in the dotted lines by Chuck there, the civil engineer.

[Speaker 6] (27:23 - 27:25)
And then the the neighbor,

[Speaker 6] (27:27 - 27:29)
the other neighbor makes a l a right

[Speaker 5] (27:29 - 27:29)
Do you want that

[Speaker 6] (27:29 - 27:29)
to turn

[Speaker 5] (27:29 - 27:30)
be in the opposite

[Speaker 6] (27:30 - 27:30)
into

[Speaker 5] (27:30 - 27:30)
direction?

[Speaker 6] (27:30 - 27:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (27:31 - 27:36)
Do you think that we can get the signal where they park, but we did show where their where their house is located.

[Speaker 2] (27:36 - 27:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (27:38 - 27:42)
And there's a sidewalk on the opposite side of the driveway or the driveway side?

[Speaker 1] (27:42 - 27:43)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 6] (27:43 - 27:44)
The opposite side.

[Speaker 5] (27:45 - 27:48)
the pipe across the sidewalk as well.

[Speaker 1] (27:48 - 27:55)
It it it it actually shows it's uh but it goes right across on I think it's on the right of way side. Is that correct,

[Speaker 5] (27:55 - 27:55)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (27:55 - 27:55)
Anthony?

[Speaker 5] (27:55 - 27:55)
the opposite

[Speaker 1] (27:55 - 27:56)
Oh the opposite

[Speaker 6] (27:56 - 27:56)
On the

[Speaker 1] (27:56 - 27:56)
side.

[Speaker 6] (27:56 - 28:00)
opposite side. It shows right in you can you

[Speaker 5] (28:00 - 28:00)
Just

[Speaker 6] (28:00 - 28:01)
can barely see it.

[Speaker 1] (28:01 - 28:02)
It sort of ends

[Speaker 6] (28:02 - 28:02)
Right in the corner.

[Speaker 1] (28:02 - 28:05)
it sort of ends before it gets to the sidewalk.

[Speaker 6] (28:05 - 28:09)
This is what it is. So that's collecting all of the roof runoff.

[Speaker 6] (28:10 - 28:14)
It sort of looks like it's running back next to the house and the downspouts are tied into it.

[Speaker 1] (28:15 - 28:16)
That's what he believes.

[Speaker 6] (28:16 - 28:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (28:17 - 28:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (28:19 - 28:22)
It was probably an attempt to keep it out of the basement.

[Speaker 1] (28:24 - 28:28)
In factually, it just sheds the water into the storm drain on the road.

[Speaker 1] (28:28 - 28:29)
It's great.

[Speaker 1] (28:37 - 28:39)
The ultimately the

[Speaker 1] (28:40 - 28:48)
First and second floor will mirror each other. It'll be like as if the house is built as a two family to begin with, as opposed to a bungalow which it currently is.

[Speaker 2] (29:10 - 29:18)
Where are I'm assuming you're putting in additional utility compressor air handle or something like that.

[Speaker 7] (29:19 - 29:23)
Yes, um would we have to put these two.

[Speaker 2] (29:23 - 29:25)
Thanks Krista.

[Speaker 1] (29:26 - 29:27)
I I the

[Speaker 2] (29:27 - 29:27)
And

[Speaker 1] (29:27 - 29:27)
end

[Speaker 2] (29:27 - 29:27)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (29:27 - 29:35)
the answer will be the answer will be ultimately yes, but it hasn't yet been because that it's not going to be ready for occupancy until we come back

[Speaker 1] (29:36 - 29:43)
Uh again probably to extend the request for the site plan so we can then f do the interior work. This is just for the the shell

[Speaker 2] (29:43 - 29:43)
The

[Speaker 1] (29:43 - 29:43)
work.

[Speaker 2] (29:43 - 29:45)
shell, okay. Um

[Speaker 2] (29:47 - 29:49)
understanding that, do you have a concept of where the

[Speaker 2] (29:55 - 30:00)
Do we have any sense of where they'd be go wouldn't they be going where they they currently enter the house?

[Speaker 3] (30:01 - 30:01)
From the

[Speaker 1] (30:01 - 30:01)
Are you

[Speaker 3] (30:01 - 30:01)
pole?

[Speaker 1] (30:01 - 30:05)
sure you're saying it's the same? Are you talking about theme Air handler, for compressor, all that sort of stuff.

[Speaker 1] (30:05 - 30:06)
For the

[Speaker 3] (30:06 - 30:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (30:06 - 30:12)
for HVAC? Yes. Okay, so that that's this is an HVAC question not a utility like gas

[Speaker 2] (30:12 - 30:13)
I didn't understand that initially.

[Speaker 3] (30:14 - 30:15)
The contractor is here.

[Speaker 2] (30:15 - 30:25)
You know, there may very well be put they may put a mini split in, which is a far less expensive and just for the second unit. And they're virtually.

[Speaker 2] (30:27 - 30:28)
generate no noise but

[Speaker 1] (30:28 - 30:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (30:28 - 30:29)
but

[Speaker 1] (30:29 - 30:29)
No,

[Speaker 2] (30:29 - 30:36)
that we can we can put that that suitcase HVAC mini split wherever it yeah

[Speaker 1] (30:36 - 30:37)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (30:37 - 30:37)
No,

[Speaker 1] (30:37 - 30:49)
I just ask because usually we like to see those locations on a site plan so we can screen and ensure they're screened in for neighbors and that sort of thing.

[Speaker 2] (30:49 - 30:50)
we will agree

[Speaker 2] (30:51 - 30:52)
That we will, before that

[Speaker 1] (30:52 - 30:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (30:53 - 30:57)
is done, that we will revisit its placement.

[Speaker 1] (30:57 - 30:58)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (30:58 - 30:58)
great.

[Speaker 4] (30:58 - 31:05)
So the idea right now is we're looking at the shell of the building and there will be like a landscape plan and those

[Speaker 2] (31:05 - 31:06)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (31:06 - 31:06)
other

[Speaker 2] (31:06 - 31:06)
anticipate,

[Speaker 4] (31:06 - 31:07)
elements later.

[Speaker 2] (31:07 - 31:13)
I don't anticipate there will be a change in the landscaping only because

[Speaker 2] (31:14 - 31:18)
The foundation doesn't change and the lot doesn't get any bigger.

[Speaker 2] (31:18 - 31:29)
If you look at the existing pictures of the house, you can get a sense of the limited landscaping that's there and the limit to how much landscaping could ultimately be put in.

[Speaker 4] (31:29 - 31:36)
So the proposed plot plan is really what

[Speaker 4] (31:38 - 31:45)
So the existing in the rear is not a parking spot that's being added, the number one.

[Speaker 2] (31:45 - 31:46)
Uh, that's they they use it.

[Speaker 4] (31:47 - 31:48)
Oh, that is where you park now.

[Speaker 2] (31:48 - 31:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (31:48 - 31:53)
Okay, so there really isn't a this is just calling out where cars park.

[Speaker 2] (31:53 - 31:53)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (31:54 - 31:59)
So there's really no change to the landscape since this is the addition of a second floor.

[Speaker 2] (31:59 - 32:00)
No, there'll be none.

[Speaker 4] (32:00 - 32:03)
Okay. So that would be.

[Speaker 2] (32:03 - 32:04)
We we're just moving

[Speaker 2] (32:05 - 32:06)
up.

[Speaker 1] (32:06 - 32:06)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (32:08 - 32:08)
And

[Speaker 4] (32:08 - 32:09)
So

[Speaker 2] (32:09 - 32:23)
if you get a sense of any of you who've driven through the neighborhood, you'll see a lot of these homes are are clearly um multi-family homes. Um the uh so the missing tooth would be the bungalow, which is the smallest of the homes in that area.

[Speaker 4] (32:25 - 32:29)
So in in looking at this, there

[Speaker 4] (32:30 - 32:31)
are

[Speaker 4] (32:32 - 32:34)
There are drawings.

[Speaker 4] (32:35 - 32:44)
Here we are. There's a there's a sketch of the existing condition that sort of presents an idea of what

[Speaker 4] (32:45 - 32:50)
what the structure would look like just in in basically like story polls.

[Speaker 2] (32:50 - 32:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (32:51 - 32:51)
Um

[Speaker 4] (32:55 - 32:55)
the

[Speaker 4] (33:05 - 33:26)
And it appears, like, these are funny images because of the way they collapse buildings and trees and so forth. So it's a little bit hard to tell on that. Um in relation, if I go two doors down, I see a two story with a hipped roof. This is actually a a two and a half story.

[Speaker 2] (33:26 - 33:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (33:27 - 33:27)
Um

[Speaker 4] (33:28 - 33:30)
But that seems to be in there.

[Speaker 4] (33:30 - 33:39)
In in flipping through this is there just a note on that? I it looks like the building next door has actually also been recently done just so you know.

[Speaker 4] (33:39 - 33:39)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (33:39 - 33:39)
Oh, so

[Speaker 4] (33:39 - 33:39)
so

[Speaker 1] (33:39 - 33:39)
it

[Speaker 4] (33:39 - 33:40)
it was like that

[Speaker 1] (33:40 - 33:40)
is

[Speaker 4] (33:40 - 33:40)
in that.

[Speaker 1] (33:40 - 33:40)
taller.

[Speaker 4] (33:40 - 33:41)
It's taller, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (33:41 - 33:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (33:44 - 33:48)
That is a that is that was basically my question on there.

[Speaker 4] (33:48 - 33:49)
So let me

[Speaker 4] (33:49 - 34:05)
So because I d I do think some documentation on the relationship of the adjoining or the adjacent buildings uh would be helpful in here just to have on record. Um this is a very simple thing, but I think there's a drawing error.

[Speaker 4] (34:05 - 34:16)
Um the front elevation of the house, the top of window is looking like it's not not quite six feet, which is very low and doesn't align with the rest of the windows.

[Speaker 4] (34:17 - 34:21)
And it may be based on what was put on to the the original porch.

[Speaker 4] (34:21 - 34:34)
But it would be very strange from both the interior and it's sort of messing with the proportions of the windows on the front. So that is something that should be checked. If you look at it, the door is a six foot eight door.

[Speaker 4] (34:35 - 34:58)
and you'll see those windows, the top a window is coming in and it looks about eight inches below. Um I don't have a scale with me. But that that should be looked at because those windows you'd want those to align with the windows in the rest of the house, especially with a nine foot ceiling, 'cause you'd be leaving yourself a space of about three feet above the window of wall.

[Speaker 4] (34:59 - 35:21)
it's gonna look it's gonna look odd inside and outside. And I think that those were just carryovers from the existing conditions drawing. So I would say that is something that you should look at because I think in the long run you'll be happier with it. But it'll it'll make the house look better, but it'll also um the interior of the house, you don't want rooms that have windows at two different heights.

[Speaker 4] (35:23 - 35:27)
And just in in basically like laying a straightedge on this, they're not aligning.

[Speaker 4] (35:27 - 35:28)
Um

[Speaker 4] (35:38 - 35:44)
For this district I think this gesture uh aligns well with the goals of increasing housing.

[Speaker 4] (35:45 - 36:06)
Um and the footprint of the house to what the proportions are to make it into a a two story is working. Um well, the window detail would be the one thing that I would would say to to sort of evaluate and and decide upon. You also have um three windows in the stairwell and three windows in the living room.

[Speaker 4] (36:07 - 36:26)
and an off-center door, you might play that a little bit differently, um which could save you some money, but you have abundant amount of windows in a stairwell. Um and the other thing is that watch the actual sill heights because of the stair itself could be in collision.

[Speaker 4] (36:27 - 36:34)
Um so your bottom of window may actually be ac if you have three, it may actually be below the steps.

[Speaker 4] (36:35 - 36:43)
So that should be evaluated and uh and and looked at and it'll help that front elevation um sort of figuring it out.

[Speaker 4] (36:44 - 36:45)
So since we're talking shell

[Speaker 4] (36:47 - 36:49)
Does that make sense what I'm saying?

[Speaker 5] (36:49 - 36:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (36:49 - 36:50)
Yeah okay.

[Speaker 1] (36:50 - 36:50)
How many

[Speaker 2] (36:50 - 36:52)
It would make sense to him than it does to me probably.

[Speaker 1] (36:53 - 36:55)
How many bedrooms are in the new proposed unit?

[Speaker 5] (36:56 - 36:56)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 2] (36:56 - 36:57)
I'm sorry?

[Speaker 1] (36:57 - 36:58)
How many bedrooms in the new unit?

[Speaker 5] (36:59 - 36:59)
Four total.

[Speaker 1] (37:00 - 37:00)
Four.

[Speaker 1] (37:01 - 37:05)
And you've been advised about the I&I fee for new bedrooms?

[Speaker 2] (37:05 - 37:06)
The $2,200.

[Speaker 1] (37:06 - 37:08)
Yes, for a bedroom. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (37:11 - 37:15)
Am I right about that, that the building next door is a two-story building?

[Speaker 2] (37:15 - 37:16)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (37:16 - 37:17)
Okay, alright.

[Speaker 4] (37:17 - 37:21)
I can't tell because the images haven't, it looks like they haven't been updated, but I just wasn't sure.

[Speaker 1] (37:28 - 37:32)
Can you just, I'm still having trouble understanding the parking here. I understand the right-of-way,

[Speaker 1] (37:32 - 37:33)
the shared driveway.

[Speaker 1] (37:34 - 37:35)
Krista, can you just load up the

[Speaker 1] (37:36 - 37:37)
the locust.

[Speaker 1] (37:39 - 37:41)
Um, can you just help me better understand,

[Speaker 1] (37:41 - 37:43)
I see the one parking spot. Where the second parking spot is?

[Speaker 2] (37:44 - 37:45)
You want me to go back to the

[Speaker 1] (37:45 - 37:47)
Sure, whatever you're comfortable with, Ken.

[Speaker 1] (38:01 - 38:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (38:06 - 38:08)
Price base one is going this way.

[Speaker 1] (38:10 - 38:11)
So okay.

[Speaker 2] (38:11 - 38:16)
So come down this car price first, then this car price second over here.

[Speaker 1] (38:17 - 38:18)
So okay.

[Speaker 1] (38:19 - 38:23)
So in functionality it will function more like a tandem space than it will be a free standing.

[Speaker 2] (38:23 - 38:24)
I think that

[Speaker 1] (38:30 - 38:31)
You're good.

[Speaker 1] (38:33 - 38:34)
Yeah, that's funky.

[Speaker 1] (38:40 - 38:41)
Any other comments from the board?

[Speaker 4] (38:44 - 38:52)
I guess my one question is there is on the rear of the house the

[Speaker 4] (38:54 - 38:56)
deck dimension isn't changing.

[Speaker 4] (38:58 - 38:59)
So you're used to driving around that.

[Speaker 4] (39:00 - 39:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (39:03 - 39:05)
I would only make one fir last comment.

[Speaker 2] (39:05 - 39:09)
You might know this the location with regard to the train station and uh

[Speaker 4] (39:09 - 39:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (39:09 - 39:23)
um you know it's it's one of those areas that was designated not exactly within that that that that corridor for transportation but it's on the other side of the street but it it does and it will effectively allow

[Speaker 2] (39:24 - 39:39)
A anyone who decides to live there who wanted the commute uh the ability to utilize the train station. Uh I I really think this is what was in mind when they had designated the area. Uh they just carved it out in such a way I think this particular portion was not exactly within that

[Speaker 1] (39:40 - 39:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (39:40 - 39:41)
that region.

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:44)
Does it

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:46)
There's no other questions from the board.

[Speaker 1] (39:47 - 39:48)
Bill, unless you uh

[Speaker 1] (39:50 - 39:51)
No, good. Good.

[Speaker 3] (39:52 - 39:52)
I'm good.

[Speaker 1] (39:52 - 39:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (39:53 - 39:55)
Actually, I do have one, I guess.

[Speaker 1] (39:55 - 39:55)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (39:55 - 40:00)
So the uh title is uh Rotary Board of Regents Inspector of Building Appeals.

[Speaker 2] (40:00 - 40:01)
Is there something

[Speaker 4] (40:02 - 40:03)
I'm sorry, Bill, I can't

[Speaker 2] (40:03 - 40:07)
So is there, are you looking for relief from the from the building inspector appeal as well?

[Speaker 4] (40:07 - 40:11)
No, we're going to be next week we're going to go join the zoning board of appeals to iron out the other

[Speaker 2] (40:11 - 40:12)
Of course the

[Speaker 4] (40:12 - 40:12)
issues

[Speaker 2] (40:12 - 40:12)
zoning.

[Speaker 4] (40:12 - 40:13)
that I raised.

[Speaker 5] (40:13 - 40:22)
I can clarify. There's submitted applications with the the f same front page and then defer differentiate. So that is going to zoning board.

[Speaker 2] (40:22 - 40:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (40:23 - 40:26)
And um were there any other

[Speaker 2] (40:26 - 40:31)
Any other fire comments or police had a comment?

[Speaker 2] (40:31 - 40:32)
They said okay.

[Speaker 5] (40:32 - 40:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (40:33 - 40:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (40:33 - 40:35)
Police had a comment,

[Speaker 5] (40:35 - 40:43)
and I can pull it up on the screen if you want, if you hadn't had a chance to read it. They said they have no objections as proposed,

[Speaker 5] (40:43 - 40:46)
and they just had a reminder of during construction,

[Speaker 5] (40:46 - 40:49)
if they're going to encroach into the sidewalk,

[Speaker 5] (40:49 - 40:52)
potentially having a police detail and caution tape and things like that.

[Speaker 2] (40:52 - 40:53)
That's correct.

[Speaker 2] (40:54 - 40:58)
And has this gone in front of historical commission based on its construction year?

[Speaker 4] (40:58 - 41:02)
The demolition, when the application went in, we've heard,

[Speaker 4] (41:02 - 41:06)
I've heard nothing from them with regards to setting this up.

[Speaker 4] (41:08 - 41:08)
I,

[Speaker 4] (41:08 - 41:08)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (41:08 - 41:10)
I just want to remind you

[Speaker 4] (41:10 - 41:11)
go ahead, go ahead, John.

[Speaker 2] (41:11 - 41:13)
it hasn't come to us before.

[Speaker 6] (41:14 - 41:14)
Is that it, Monica?

[Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:17)
Where's the age of the building? Do you see it on

[Speaker 2] (41:17 - 41:18)
here? There was a reference to the

[Speaker 1] (41:18 - 41:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (41:18 - 41:19)
1920s.

[Speaker 7] (41:19 - 41:21)
Oh, John Layman from Historical Commission The We

[Speaker 4] (41:21 - 41:24)
house is clearly over 75 years old.

[Speaker 2] (41:24 - 41:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (41:24 - 41:25)
And yeah,

[Speaker 4] (41:25 - 41:37)
we would normally do the research because it's 100 years old, but it hasn't. What triggers it is a letter to us from the building inspector, and we haven't received one.

[Speaker 4] (41:40 - 41:46)
Well, if in fact the stroke of commission wishes for us to appear,

[Speaker 4] (41:47 - 41:50)
obviously that's a separate board,

[Speaker 4] (41:50 - 41:51)
separate jurisdiction.

[Speaker 4] (41:52 - 41:58)
If obviously we're not going to get a building permit of any kind until we meet all the criteria,

[Speaker 4] (41:58 - 42:07)
it had been my understanding that that happens immediately upon the application which had been filed months ago and

[Speaker 1] (42:07 - 42:08)
It might have been we right at the transition

[Speaker 4] (42:08 - 42:09)
had heard between nothing.

[Speaker 1] (42:09 - 42:10)
building inspectors.

[Speaker 4] (42:11 - 42:14)
I can't explain the methodology,

[Speaker 4] (42:14 - 42:21)
but I did speak with Rich Baldacci on this and we went over it.

[Speaker 4] (42:21 - 42:22)
Had he not sent the letter, John,

[Speaker 4] (42:23 - 42:32)
I can't apologize for him, but clearly if the board thinks that the commission leases has historical significance.

[Speaker 7] (42:32 - 42:37)
We can't tell you that. Yeah, we can't opine on that tonight because we're not meeting.

[Speaker 4] (42:38 - 42:38)
I understand.

[Speaker 4] (42:38 - 42:46)
understand but I I think you can make an initial determination whether you even want to see us and if you do we'll join you

[Speaker 2] (42:46 - 42:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (42:46 - 42:47)
to join you oh

[Speaker 7] (42:47 - 42:53)
Because this is a partial teardown, we have to do something. We have no choice.

[Speaker 4] (42:53 - 42:56)
no I think internally you can you can do that couldn't

[Speaker 5] (42:56 - 43:02)
Right. I will follow up with the building commissioner and if it needs to be sent to the historical commission,

[Speaker 5] (43:02 - 43:03)
we'll get that figured out.

[Speaker 1] (43:04 - 43:18)
I think it's safe to say that I mean we're not gonna that would be a condition of any approval would just be to comply with the demolition delay general bylaw review of the Historic Commission so that's goes without saying that that'll be a condition yeah

[Speaker 4] (43:18 - 43:21)
I think it's almost intuitive that that's

[Speaker 1] (43:21 - 43:23)
yeah but we'll make sure it's

[Speaker 1] (43:23 - 43:24)
It's uh

[Speaker 8] (43:24 - 43:25)
I just didn't see it was conditioned

[Speaker 1] (43:25 - 43:26)
it's why I asked.

[Speaker 4] (43:26 - 43:44)
No, I I hadn't heard anything so I I my assumption was that they were that it had gone out they had determined that it didn't and they didn't call us before their board but um if if mr Leeman would like us to appear before the historical Commission if he believes that this is of significance we'll have that hearing.

[Speaker 1] (43:44 - 43:49)
What um flood zone is this property located in?

[Speaker 4] (43:49 - 43:51)
It's a it's in an AE.

[Speaker 1] (43:51 - 43:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (43:54 - 44:10)
It's not an area subject to to to overflow or V.E. It's just that I apparently unbeknownst to anyone it's an area that D.E.P. has on the new maps have determined that there is a potential for flooding.

[Speaker 4] (44:13 - 44:16)
Not necessarily in the last two years when he's been there.

[Speaker 4] (44:23 - 44:29)
But there'll be no exacerbation of any of the criteria that would increase the flow of water.

[Speaker 4] (44:29 - 44:30)
We're not paving anything.

[Speaker 1] (44:31 - 44:38)
So bear with us as, like I said, this is our first application in this new flood overlay zone.

[Speaker 1] (44:39 - 44:40)
In regards to utilities,

[Speaker 1] (44:40 - 44:41)
being in the AE zone,

[Speaker 1] (44:41 - 44:44)
you're going to have to elevate the utilities outside of the base flood elevation.

[Speaker 1] (44:44 - 44:47)
So I don't know what that is at your location,

[Speaker 1] (44:47 - 44:49)
but something to just have in mind.

[Speaker 1] (44:54 - 44:54)
Think otherwise.

[Speaker 2] (44:54 - 44:56)
How big is it just just sealed?

[Speaker 1] (44:57 - 44:59)
Elevate above the base flood elevation.

[Speaker 1] (45:00 - 45:03)
About, wait, I forget the exact number.

[Speaker 2] (45:10 - 45:12)
Which is how high do we know?

[Speaker 4] (45:12 - 45:15)
Well, there's a basement in the house, so.

[Speaker 1] (45:15 - 45:25)
shall not be permitted below the base flood elevation and shall take into consideration long-term effects of sea-level rise, storm surge in determining additional freeboard height above such base flood elevation.

[Speaker 4] (45:25 - 45:25)
That

[Speaker 1] (45:25 - 45:26)
So

[Speaker 4] (45:26 - 45:26)
would only,

[Speaker 1] (45:26 - 45:26)
in your location,

[Speaker 4] (45:26 - 45:26)
it,

[Speaker 1] (45:26 - 45:28)
I think base flood is probably.

[Speaker 4] (45:28 - 45:34)
it, it, it, it's triggered under certain criteria. This will not trigger it.

[Speaker 4] (45:37 - 45:37)
In other words.

[Speaker 4] (45:38 - 45:39)
Theoretically,

[Speaker 4] (45:39 - 45:41)
any new construction in a

[Speaker 1] (45:41 - 45:41)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (45:41 - 45:48)
flood zone of a certain type would trigger the demolition of the entire structure,

[Speaker 4] (45:48 - 45:53)
the implementation of either piers or a flow-through foundation,

[Speaker 4] (45:54 - 45:57)
all of which in this case will not be required.

[Speaker 1] (45:58 - 46:01)
It is my understanding, based on the bylaw that was approved,

[Speaker 1] (46:01 - 46:02)
that that is correct,

[Speaker 1] (46:02 - 46:04)
but this is a shall apply.

[Speaker 1] (46:06 - 46:10)
With no designation as to the fifty per cent, at least in regards strictly to the utility location

[Speaker 4] (46:10 - 46:11)
If in fact

[Speaker 1] (46:11 - 46:11)
for building

[Speaker 4] (46:11 - 46:11)
the utilities

[Speaker 1] (46:11 - 46:12)
code.

[Speaker 4] (46:12 - 46:16)
need to be need to be moved, but the utilities for the first floor that are already currently there,

[Speaker 1] (46:16 - 46:18)
Right, I don't think we would have any

[Speaker 4] (46:18 - 46:20)
I I don't I think that would be grandfathered.

[Speaker 1] (46:20 - 46:20)
Yes, agreed.

[Speaker 4] (46:20 - 46:21)
So any new utilities

[Speaker 1] (46:21 - 46:22)
Just the new

[Speaker 4] (46:22 - 46:22)
clearly

[Speaker 1] (46:22 - 46:22)
utility.

[Speaker 4] (46:22 - 46:23)
aren't would be put

[Speaker 1] (46:23 - 46:23)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (46:23 - 46:27)
in place which would not allow them to be impacted by the

[Speaker 8] (46:27 - 46:27)
And

[Speaker 4] (46:27 - 46:27)
potential

[Speaker 8] (46:27 - 46:28)
there is

[Speaker 4] (46:28 - 46:28)
for

[Speaker 8] (46:28 - 46:30)
there is a significant amount of um

[Speaker 8] (46:32 - 46:33)
of mechanical space in the

[Speaker 4] (46:33 - 46:33)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (46:33 - 46:34)
attic too.

[Speaker 4] (46:34 - 46:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (46:35 - 46:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (46:36 - 46:37)
And that's where they'll be?

[Speaker 1] (46:41 - 46:42)
And there were no comments from our

[Speaker 1] (46:44 - 46:45)
floodplain administrator.

[Speaker 1] (46:48 - 46:49)
So that's

[Speaker 8] (46:49 - 46:49)
I

[Speaker 1] (46:49 - 46:49)
helpful.

[Speaker 4] (46:49 - 46:50)
didn't know we had one.

[Speaker 8] (46:50 - 46:53)
Must have been five to like thirty minutes ago.

[Speaker 1] (46:53 - 46:53)
Gina.

[Speaker 4] (46:53 - 46:53)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (46:53 - 46:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (46:54 - 46:56)
You asked the same question I did. Who is

[Speaker 1] (46:56 - 46:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (46:56 - 46:56)
that?

[Speaker 8] (46:56 - 46:57)
I was going to say.

[Speaker 1] (46:58 - 47:22)
another hat any so having gone just regone through the new floodplain bylaw over here I think with that being said about the additional new utility system needing to be above the base flood elevation whatever that is I don't have any other concerns you've walked me through the unique parking situation and everything else so

[Speaker 1] (47:24 - 47:29)
If there's no other questions or comments from the board, we can close the public hearing and go on to our board conversation.

[Speaker 5] (47:29 - 47:30)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (47:30 - 47:30)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (47:30 - 47:30)
Well, the

[Speaker 2] (47:30 - 47:30)
it

[Speaker 4] (47:30 - 47:30)
the

[Speaker 2] (47:30 - 47:30)
is a public

[Speaker 1] (47:30 - 47:31)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 2] (47:31 - 47:31)
comment.

[Speaker 5] (47:31 - 47:31)
public

[Speaker 1] (47:31 - 47:31)
yes,

[Speaker 5] (47:31 - 47:32)
comment.

[Speaker 1] (47:32 - 47:38)
of course, how could I forget. Uh any members of the public who wish to speak on this petition, or online can raise their hand.

[Speaker 1] (47:43 - 47:44)
Okay, seeing none.

[Speaker 5] (47:47 - 47:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (47:48 - 47:49)
I don't realise how effective I was.

[Speaker 1] (47:49 - 47:51)
Yes. Um

[Speaker 1] (47:51 - 47:53)
Is there a motion to close the public hearing?

[Speaker 8] (47:53 - 47:54)
So moved.

[Speaker 9] (47:54 - 47:54)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (47:54 - 47:55)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (47:55 - 47:56)
All right, all those in favor?

[Speaker 2] (47:56 - 47:57)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (47:57 - 47:57)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (47:59 - 48:02)
Conversation of the board or motions.

[Speaker 1] (48:04 - 48:12)
And if there are any motions, I would suggest that we go through Section 5.4.0.0 on approval criteria.

[Speaker 2] (48:17 - 48:17)
So I'm trying to

[Speaker 1] (48:17 - 48:18)
Only if there's a motion.

[Speaker 8] (48:19 - 48:19)
I can wait.

[Speaker 8] (48:21 - 48:23)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 1] (48:25 - 48:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (48:26 - 48:28)
Before looking for a second,

[Speaker 1] (48:28 - 48:33)
I would just now that there's a motion, I would just suggest we run through 5400 approval criteria.

[Speaker 5] (48:38 - 48:44)
Bef before you continue, I have a clarification um I got a text from Marcie

[Speaker 1] (48:44 - 48:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (48:44 - 48:52)
um and she says she believes that the historical commission review wasn't triggered because they haven't pulled a demo permit yet. Is that correct?

[Speaker 4] (48:52 - 48:59)
I thought the application itself constituted a notification which would then trigger um but

[Speaker 1] (48:59 - 49:05)
My understanding was the demolition permit is what would trigger that, and the demolition permit

[Speaker 1] (49:06 - 49:08)
would include any alteration to the roof line?

[Speaker 4] (49:08 - 49:09)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (49:09 - 49:16)
I thought the very nature of the application constituted the notice, but regardless,

[Speaker 1] (49:16 - 49:16)
Regardless,

[Speaker 5] (49:16 - 49:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (49:16 - 49:16)
It's

[Speaker 5] (49:16 - 49:17)
either

[Speaker 8] (49:17 - 49:17)
it is.

[Speaker 1] (49:17 - 49:17)
regardless.

[Speaker 5] (49:17 - 49:17)
it's either

[Speaker 8] (49:17 - 49:18)
already pretty

[Speaker 5] (49:18 - 49:18)
either

[Speaker 8] (49:18 - 49:18)
much academic.

[Speaker 5] (49:18 - 49:20)
either way we'll figure it out but I was

[Speaker 1] (49:20 - 49:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (49:21 - 49:21)
just

[Speaker 1] (49:21 - 49:21)
it'll be

[Speaker 5] (49:21 - 49:21)
declare

[Speaker 1] (49:21 - 49:22)
conditioned as

[Speaker 5] (49:22 - 49:22)
it by

[Speaker 1] (49:22 - 49:22)
whatever

[Speaker 5] (49:22 - 49:22)
that

[Speaker 1] (49:22 - 49:24)
decision comes out of here.

[Speaker 1] (49:24 - 49:26)
So we'll make sure everyone has their opportunity.

[Speaker 8] (49:35 - 49:39)
The uh not to go back to the front windows, but actually I'm discovering

[Speaker 1] (49:51 - 49:57)
So th the front elevation up here, how do we put it through

[Speaker 1] (49:58 - 50:02)
that it would need to be resubmitted with that correction?

[Speaker 2] (50:03 - 50:05)
If you want a condition that

[Speaker 1] (50:05 - 50:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (50:05 - 50:09)
we make the changes that you've suggested that will be incorporated,

[Speaker 2] (50:09 - 50:15)
because the plans that will be submitted with the construction plans will not be approved if they're inconsistent with

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (50:15 - 50:16)
the site plan special permit.

[Speaker 3] (50:17 - 50:19)
What is the condition that you're considering?

[Speaker 1] (50:19 - 50:21)
The uh there's

[Speaker 1] (50:21 - 50:26)
A, the windows, size and height is appears to be an error

[Speaker 4] (50:26 - 50:26)
Or on the

[Speaker 3] (50:26 - 50:27)
natural Okay.

[Speaker 4] (50:27 - 50:27)
light.

[Speaker 1] (50:27 - 50:28)
um as they don't align

[Speaker 3] (50:28 - 50:29)
On with the elevation?

[Speaker 1] (50:29 - 50:31)
the rest of the house, on the front elevation.

[Speaker 3] (50:31 - 50:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:35)
And the windows that are in front of the staircase

[Speaker 3] (50:36 - 50:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (50:36 - 50:43)
um are in collision with the stairs. Actually in the 3D renderings you can see the stairs

[Speaker 3] (50:43 - 50:43)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (50:43 - 50:47)
through windows, 'cause they show up the way they came through the CAD drawing.

[Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:48)
Um

[Speaker 1] (50:49 - 51:02)
So those are probably going to have to be like a smaller which i which is nice because you can you can sort of designate you can read the building that this is the front door, this is the vertical circulation, this is the living spaces.

[Speaker 1] (51:03 - 51:03)
Um

[Speaker 3] (51:07 - 51:08)
So what so what is

[Speaker 1] (51:08 - 51:09)
So

[Speaker 3] (51:09 - 51:13)
going to need to change to accomplish that? The height of the the size of the windows or just

[Speaker 1] (51:13 - 51:18)
the The the height and size of the the front elevation windows need to

[Speaker 1] (51:21 - 51:22)
be corrected

[Speaker 1] (51:25 - 51:28)
based on the stair circulation.

[Speaker 2] (51:29 - 51:37)
Might I suggest that we'll administratively prior to seeking the final construction plans present to you for a sign off

[Speaker 1] (51:38 - 51:39)
That would be good.

[Speaker 1] (51:43 - 51:45)
I'm making Ted's job difficult.

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:50)
No, no, no, no. You're the free architect that comes with the town.

[Speaker 1] (51:50 - 51:51)
It's free reviews.

[Speaker 3] (51:51 - 51:51)
free reviews.

[Speaker 3] (51:52 - 51:55)
So, when we revisit Joe's motion,

[Speaker 3] (51:55 - 52:00)
let's you can think about how to condition that in the verbiage that you find most.

[Speaker 5] (52:01 - 52:08)
Height and size of the front elevations for the windows are corrected.

[Speaker 3] (52:16 - 52:20)
Going to 5480 for these criteria for approval,

[Speaker 3] (52:20 - 52:29)
minimizing the volume of cut and fill, the number of removed trees, the extent of stormwater flow increase from the site,

[Speaker 3] (52:29 - 52:30)
soil erosion, threat of air water pollution.

[Speaker 3] (52:31 - 52:33)
I think we have no

[Speaker 1] (52:33 - 52:34)
No impact.

[Speaker 3] (52:34 - 52:37)
impact in water flowing from the site is going to be corrected.

[Speaker 3] (52:39 - 52:42)
Maximize pedestrian and vehicular safety on site.

[Speaker 6] (52:42 - 53:03)
in egressing from it, no change from existing. Minimise obstruction of scenic views from publicly accessible locations. If there's any impact to that. Minimise visual intrusion by controlling the visibility of parking, storage and other outdoor service areas. So that would be a condition probably that we would put just for when the utilities get put in.

[Speaker 2] (53:03 - 53:03)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (53:03 - 53:07)
Ensuring they're screened either with lattice fencing, shrubs, whatever.

[Speaker 6] (53:08 - 53:08)
Fits your taste.

[Speaker 2] (53:09 - 53:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (53:11 - 53:14)
Minimize glare from headlights and lighting intrusions.

[Speaker 6] (53:15 - 53:24)
Are there any exterior lighting that you're proposing on that back deck that's going up the second maybe third floor?

[Speaker 2] (53:25 - 53:29)
If there is, it'll all be down, just so they

[Speaker 6] (53:29 - 53:29)
Dark

[Speaker 2] (53:29 - 53:29)
go up

[Speaker 6] (53:29 - 53:29)
sky compliant.

[Speaker 2] (53:29 - 53:30)
the stairs without tripping.

[Speaker 6] (53:30 - 53:32)
Okay. As long as they're dark sky

[Speaker 2] (53:32 - 53:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (53:32 - 53:32)
compliant.

[Speaker 2] (53:33 - 53:34)
Yes

[Speaker 6] (53:37 - 53:41)
Minimize unreasonable departure of character materials and scale of the building.

[Speaker 6] (53:41 - 53:49)
I think we discussed that, but this seems to fit given the neighbourhood and the height of adjacent structures.

[Speaker 6] (53:51 - 53:59)
Minimize contamination of ground water from on-site waste water disposal systems or operations on the premises involving use, storage, handling of hazardous substances.

[Speaker 6] (54:00 - 54:06)
Do not think that applies here. Ensure compliance with the provisions of the zoning bylaw including parking and landscaping,

[Speaker 6] (54:07 - 54:11)
which seems to fit here pending any changes you seek from the Zoning Board of Appeals.

[Speaker 6] (54:12 - 54:13)
Minimize adverse traffic impact,

[Speaker 6] (54:14 - 54:20)
I don't, there is none from this. And minimize the hazard of coastal flooding taking into account effects of long-term sea level rise.

[Speaker 6] (54:20 - 54:24)
And it sounds like you will do that with your utility changes.

[Speaker 2] (54:25 - 54:26)
We will now.

[Speaker 6] (54:26 - 54:27)
Perfect.

[Speaker 6] (54:27 - 54:32)
So, Christa, could you walk us through the conditions that we have discussed here?

[Speaker 5] (54:34 - 54:52)
Absolutely, and one that I think was discussed earlier that I just wanted to make sure maybe or not we wanted to add was the department of public works director's comment today about the draining of that pipe. Is that something that we also wanted to condition?

[Speaker 6] (54:52 - 54:55)
Yes. And you said a dry well is something Either that so,

[Speaker 2] (54:55 - 54:57)
a dry well or it'll be redirected away from the sidewalk,

[Speaker 2] (54:58 - 54:58)
which

[Speaker 6] (54:58 - 54:58)
all

[Speaker 2] (54:58 - 54:59)
is currently.

[Speaker 6] (54:59 - 55:03)
all outflow water extrusions from the site will be redirected.

[Speaker 6] (55:03 - 55:06)
onto the site or through a dry well on the property.

[Speaker 1] (55:06 - 55:07)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (55:16 - 55:17)
So is there room to redirect it on site?

[Speaker 2] (55:18 - 55:18)
I'm sorry, wha

[Speaker 1] (55:18 - 55:20)
Is there room to redirect it on site?

[Speaker 2] (55:20 - 55:26)
Yeah, it can go the opposite direction. It need not go toward it can go towards the back of the lot.

[Speaker 1] (55:27 - 55:28)
This is another street

[Speaker 2] (55:28 - 55:29)
It's just, it's really just

[Speaker 1] (55:29 - 55:29)
that

[Speaker 2] (55:29 - 55:29)
a downspout

[Speaker 1] (55:29 - 55:29)
we need to replace.

[Speaker 2] (55:29 - 55:33)
that they put in to direct the water.

[Speaker 2] (55:34 - 55:34)
But

[Speaker 6] (55:34 - 55:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (55:34 - 55:34)
you just

[Speaker 2] (55:34 - 55:43)
but we'll direct it and apparently now theoretically it could go in the sidewalk, it could freeze, it could become a problem.

[Speaker 2] (55:43 - 55:53)
So we're going to ensure that we do not impact the sidewalk and in some way redirect it either by dry well or just changing the flow of that PVC pipe.

[Speaker 5] (55:55 - 56:09)
Okay. Um so the list I have right now is the height and size of the windows of the front elevations are corrected. Um I don't know if there's anything specific, like the stairway you want to be mentioned or just that those are corrected

[Speaker 1] (56:09 - 56:09)
I

[Speaker 5] (56:09 - 56:09)
in

[Speaker 1] (56:09 - 56:09)
think

[Speaker 5] (56:09 - 56:09)
general.

[Speaker 1] (56:09 - 56:10)
it could be a no just

[Speaker 2] (56:10 - 56:12)
Right, I think it could just be subject

[Speaker 5] (56:12 - 56:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (56:12 - 56:13)
to ultimate sign-off.

[Speaker 1] (56:13 - 56:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (56:13 - 56:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (56:14 - 56:14)
The building commissioner

[Speaker 2] (56:16 - 56:18)
finally gives us the building permit.

[Speaker 6] (56:18 - 56:19)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (56:19 - 56:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (56:19 - 56:30)
So it can kind of be to you administratively, you'll take a look at it. If it still needs some additional work we will, but I hopefully it'll be designed in a way that that meets the criteria that

[Speaker 5] (56:30 - 56:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (56:30 - 56:36)
So Chris, I think we could just condition the, it upon approval of the building commissioner to

[Speaker 6] (56:37 - 56:43)
approve the ref minor revisions to the height size of the front exterior windows.

[Speaker 5] (56:43 - 56:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (56:44 - 56:46)
And then the building commissioner can always defer to the

[Speaker 6] (56:46 - 56:47)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (56:47 - 56:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (56:50 - 56:51)
Sorry, just raining.

[Speaker 5] (56:53 - 57:00)
Okay, so the height and size of the front window elevations are corrected um and

[Speaker 5] (57:02 - 57:05)
will be approved by the building commissioner.

[Speaker 1] (57:05 - 57:09)
Yes, if it's going through the building commissioner, um talk about to

[Speaker 1] (57:11 - 57:17)
to align withs windows on the side elevations and that will make some sense to them.

[Speaker 5] (57:25 - 57:34)
Okay, to align with windows on the side elevations. And the next one was to ensure all utilities are screened from view.

[Speaker 5] (57:35 - 57:45)
The third one was all outdoor lighting specifically on the back deck and stairs shall be dark sky compliant.

[Speaker 5] (57:46 - 57:53)
And then the last one is all outflow of water extrusions on the site will be redirected on site or through drywall.

[Speaker 6] (57:56 - 58:00)
I think the only one that I would just add on there is the

[Speaker 6] (58:01 - 58:02)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (58:03 - 58:13)
application uh pending uh review from our colleagues on the Historic Commission, which I know will happen anyway, I just wanna make sure that we have that noted here.

[Speaker 5] (58:14 - 58:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (58:14 - 58:26)
And then the pursuant to our four point two point O_ the coastal flood area overlay district, the any new new utilities

[Speaker 5] (58:26 - 58:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (58:26 - 58:27)
for unit two strictly.

[Speaker 6] (58:28 - 58:35)
be located at or above FEMA base flood elevation pursuant

[Speaker 6] (58:36 - 58:37)
4.2.0.

[Speaker 6] (58:44 - 58:44)
Those amenable to your

[Speaker 6] (58:45 - 58:46)
Yeah?

[Speaker 2] (58:46 - 58:46)
Pardon me?

[Speaker 6] (58:46 - 58:48)
Are those conditions amenable to the applicant?

[Speaker 2] (58:48 - 58:50)
I think they are, and I think

[Speaker 6] (58:50 - 58:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (58:50 - 58:51)
they're very fair and reasonable.

[Speaker 6] (58:52 - 58:52)
All right.

[Speaker 6] (58:54 - 58:56)
You had a motion, Giles? We can re-visit

[Speaker 2] (58:56 - 58:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (58:56 - 59:00)
your motion pending any ob that lengthy list of conditions.

[Speaker 1] (59:00 - 59:01)
Can I just condition it on that

[Speaker 6] (59:01 - 59:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (59:01 - 59:02)
list?

[Speaker 6] (59:02 - 59:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (59:02 - 59:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (59:02 - 59:02)
Fine.

[Speaker 1] (59:02 - 59:12)
Um alright, motion to approve uh petition twenty six dash show four four five Huron Street subject to the conditions um that Krista just read.

[Speaker 3] (59:13 - 59:13)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (59:14 - 59:15)
Alright, all those in favour?

[Speaker 6] (59:16 - 59:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (59:16 - 59:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (59:16 - 59:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (59:16 - 59:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (59:16 - 59:17)
Aye. Congratulations,

[Speaker 2] (59:17 - 59:17)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 6] (59:17 - 59:18)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (59:18 - 59:19)
Very good.

[Speaker 2] (59:19 - 59:20)
If you want I just want to

[Speaker 6] (59:22 - 59:24)
I was going to have to make you read all those

[Speaker 1] (59:24 - 59:24)
I don't know,

[Speaker 6] (59:24 - 59:24)
words

[Speaker 1] (59:24 - 59:24)
sometimes,

[Speaker 6] (59:24 - 59:24)
again.

[Speaker 1] (59:24 - 59:25)
sometimes we go out all the way through,

[Speaker 6] (59:25 - 59:26)
I know.

[Speaker 1] (59:26 - 59:26)
but my memory is

[Speaker 3] (59:26 - 59:26)
I

[Speaker 1] (59:26 - 59:27)
what I

[Speaker 3] (59:27 - 59:27)
know.

[Speaker 1] (59:27 - 59:27)
wanted.

[Speaker 6] (59:30 - 59:31)
All right.

[Speaker 6] (59:32 - 59:34)
So now application twenty six dash zero.

[Speaker 2] (59:41 - 59:43)
Down from the back.

[Speaker 2] (59:46 - 59:47)
Do you want you can sit down.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:24 - 1:00:26)
We at this point can take a m

[Speaker 1] (1:00:26 - 1:00:29)
Will the applicant present? We will then open the public hearing

[Speaker 1] (1:00:31 - 1:00:32)
and take it from there.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:32 - 1:00:33)
We shall open a public hearing.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:33 - 1:00:34)
Is there a second?

[Speaker 4] (1:00:34 - 1:00:35)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:35 - 1:00:37)
All right, all those in favor,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:37 - 1:00:37)
aye,

[Speaker 4] (1:00:37 - 1:00:38)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:38 - 1:00:38)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:39 - 1:00:40)
Public hearing has begun.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:41 - 1:00:43)
If you'd like, you're able to present whenever you're ready.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:45 - 1:00:45)
I'm ready.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:45 - 1:00:46)
Walk us through your plans.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:46 - 1:00:46)
Steph.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:49 - 1:00:50)
Nope, push it to mute.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:51 - 1:00:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:52 - 1:00:52)
You're good.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:53 - 1:01:15)
Good afternoon everyone. The subject property is located at 39 Esterbrook Road in Swampscott. We are here to apply for site plans special permit. What we are proposing is it's a 1950 split level home with

[Speaker 5] (1:01:16 - 1:01:28)
With a craftsman style aesthetic to it, uh what we are s we proposing to demolish the existing garage uh the existing five hundred forty square required to be able to lay out those two bedrooms.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:28 - 1:01:28)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:01:28 - 1:01:29)
Got it.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:29 - 1:01:30)
on the second floor.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:30 - 1:01:31)
So it's coming closer to the

[Speaker 5] (1:01:31 - 1:01:32)
It's coming

[Speaker 1] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
sidewalk.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:32 - 1:01:40)
closer it's coming closer slightly closer to the sidewalk but um the property line is actually approximately in the middle of that existing driveway.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:41 - 1:01:48)
So there's a pretty substantial um buffer zone from the street to the facade. Um.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:51 - 1:01:54)
What is that um front yard setback?

[Speaker 6] (1:02:00 - 1:02:02)
The zoning district requires 20.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:02 - 1:02:06)
Uh 20, right, yep. Okay. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:02:09 - 1:02:10)
Any other qust question any questions from the board?

[Speaker 7] (1:02:12 - 1:02:17)
Just to jump on Ted's question. So there's no increase in like impervious area or anything, right?

[Speaker 5] (1:02:19 - 1:02:21)
Um no, because the

[Speaker 5] (1:02:24 - 1:02:35)
There is there is no inc I mean the building footprint is increased by a hundred twenty square feet. So we are decreasing the impervious area.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:36 - 1:02:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:36 - 1:02:37)
Exactly, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:37 - 1:02:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:37 - 1:02:37)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:02:37 - 1:02:38)
That's correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:38 - 1:02:41)
and it's still far below the thirty percent max coverage.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:45 - 1:03:00)
Have you been advised about our infiltration and inflow fee? It's twenty two hundred dollars per bedroom that's being added. That's a fee paid directly to the town at the time that you get a building permit. Um and that's for all new bedroom additions in the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:01 - 1:03:01)
I shouldn't laugh.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:03 - 1:03:03)
Now I know.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:04 - 1:03:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:04 - 1:03:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:05 - 1:03:06)
So it's 19.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:08 - 1:03:08)
For

[Speaker 1] (1:03:08 - 1:03:08)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:03:08 - 1:03:08)
an addition.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:08 - 1:03:12)
it's only for additional bedrooms. So if you're adding two if you have three bedrooms, you're going to five,

[Speaker 5] (1:03:12 - 1:03:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:13 - 1:03:15)
you just sell it for two, two more bedrooms.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:15 - 1:03:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:19 - 1:03:19)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:03:21 - 1:03:25)
Are you proposing any additional exterior lighting?

[Speaker 1] (1:03:26 - 1:03:26)
from

[Speaker 5] (1:03:26 - 1:03:26)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:03:26 - 1:03:27)
what is currently on site.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:27 - 1:03:39)
they there would be an addition there would be a light in the back where we adding that um rear access mudroom door so it would make sense to have some sort of an illumination in

[Speaker 1] (1:03:39 - 1:03:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:39 - 1:03:44)
that but nothing um substantial nothing substantial that would um

[Speaker 1] (1:03:45 - 1:03:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:47 - 1:03:53)
Um require all exterior lighting to be dark sky compliant just pointing the light downward. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:03:57 - 1:04:06)
This was a very well put together plan, so I don't think I have any other questions or comments. It looks very nice. So very good job on the design. It looks great.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:08 - 1:04:09)
Other board members?

[Speaker 7] (1:04:25 - 1:04:25)
Nothing for me, no.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:27 - 1:04:48)
Yeah, I think I understand it. Um and it's very logical. Uh uses space, the increase to get the two bedrooms above the garage plus a little bit of additional storage in the back of the garage makes a a sound reason for extending the footprint.

[Speaker 5] (1:04:48 - 1:04:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:48 - 1:04:54)
Um and the loss of driveway doesn't seem like it would impact.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:55 - 1:04:57)
the neighbourhood on parking or anything like that.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:01 - 1:05:02)
Good for me.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:03 - 1:05:04)
Okay. Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:05 - 1:05:12)
Um are there any members of the public who are joining who wish to speak on this agenda item?

[Speaker 1] (1:05:13 - 1:05:16)
Or online they can use the raise your hand feature.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:20 - 1:05:22)
Seeing as there's no public comment

[Speaker 1] (1:05:24 - 1:05:26)
I would entertain a motion to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:27 - 1:05:28)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:28 - 1:05:28)
Do we have a second?

[Speaker 8] (1:05:28 - 1:05:29)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:29 - 1:05:30)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 7] (1:05:31 - 1:05:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:31 - 1:05:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:31 - 1:05:31)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:33 - 1:05:40)
This seems relatively straightforward to me. Speaking for myself, I think this is a

[Speaker 1] (1:05:41 - 1:05:47)
no-brainer, and I'm not concerned about... I don't have any concerns on this.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:54 - 1:05:55)
Motion to approve?

[Speaker 10] (1:05:55 - 1:05:56)
Any conditions?

[Speaker 1] (1:05:56 - 1:05:57)
Is there a second? What?

[Speaker 10] (1:05:58 - 1:05:58)
Any conditions?

[Speaker 1] (1:05:59 - 1:06:02)
Aye-o. I don't see, I don't have nothing to warrant condition on this.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:02 - 1:06:07)
Um the light sky uh light sky dark

[Speaker 1] (1:06:07 - 1:06:08)
Sky, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:08 - 1:06:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:08 - 1:06:09)
sky. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:09 - 1:06:09)
I guess we can

[Speaker 8] (1:06:09 - 1:06:10)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:06:10 - 1:06:10)
put that

[Speaker 8] (1:06:10 - 1:06:10)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:06:10 - 1:06:10)
in like

[Speaker 8] (1:06:10 - 1:06:10)
is

[Speaker 1] (1:06:10 - 1:06:10)
a

[Speaker 8] (1:06:10 - 1:06:11)
the one condition that

[Speaker 1] (1:06:11 - 1:06:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:11 - 1:06:14)
that any lighting that is added needs to be uh dark

[Speaker 1] (1:06:14 - 1:06:15)
Dark Sky compliant.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:15 - 1:06:15)
sky compliant.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:16 - 1:06:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:16 - 1:06:19)
I know it's in our bylaw, but I just sometimes we'd like to.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:19 - 1:06:19)
makes

[Speaker 6] (1:06:19 - 1:06:24)
And we can talk about this during admin, but we can have a list of standard conditions that

[Speaker 1] (1:06:24 - 1:06:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:24 - 1:06:25)
we could approve with everything

[Speaker 1] (1:06:25 - 1:06:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:25 - 1:06:26)
that we can create.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:26 - 1:06:33)
I think even slightly off topic, I know that's required in our lighting environmental regulations for lighting in the zoning bylaw,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:33 - 1:06:34)
which is sometimes

[Speaker 1] (1:06:35 - 1:06:41)
Lighting's an easy thing to change on your own. And I'll have to think about oh I don't have to go I have to go to the zoning board for that. So I think

[Speaker 8] (1:06:41 - 1:06:41)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:06:41 - 1:06:42)
it's it's worth just adding just

[Speaker 6] (1:06:42 - 1:06:42)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:06:42 - 1:06:42)
uh

[Speaker 6] (1:06:42 - 1:06:43)
it's for enforcement,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:43 - 1:06:43)
it's for it's

[Speaker 6] (1:06:43 - 1:06:43)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:43 - 1:06:44)
for it's

[Speaker 8] (1:06:44 - 1:06:48)
It's good to have as a part of the the residential project. ones, you know, with the commercial ones we get the plan, but For with those

[Speaker 1] (1:06:48 - 1:06:48)
Totally.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:48 - 1:06:48)
we get the details, you know.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:48 - 1:06:54)
It's the best practice. Other than the dark sky compliant lighting, I think there's no other conditions that I can think of for this.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:56 - 1:06:58)
So I would second the motion with dark

[Speaker 7] (1:06:58 - 1:06:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:58 - 1:06:58)
blue.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:58 - 1:07:02)
Motion to approve subject to any lighting being dark sky compliant.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:02 - 1:07:03)
Is there a second?

[Speaker 11] (1:07:03 - 1:07:03)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:03 - 1:07:03)
All

[Speaker 7] (1:07:03 - 1:07:04)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:04 - 1:07:04)
those in favor?

[Speaker 7] (1:07:05 - 1:07:05)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:05 - 1:07:05)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:06 - 1:07:06)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 5] (1:07:06 - 1:07:07)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:07 - 1:07:07)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:08 - 1:07:08)
You're all set.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:09 - 1:07:10)
Right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:40 - 1:07:42)
Next we have a

[Speaker 1] (1:07:44 - 1:08:08)
non-public hearing item, review and discussion of a pre-application by National Development for a proposed residential multifamily development in the Glover Multifamily Overlay District located at 299 Salem Street. This is something Angela and I apprised the board of several months ago to expect on our agenda in our forthcoming months and the applicant has decided to join us this evening.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:09 - 1:08:21)
So welcome, and I'm happy to turn it over to you to walk us through what you are thinking and happy to answer any questions you might have or for the board to give you any reactions that you would find helpful.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:22 - 1:08:37)
Sure. Um well to introduce myself, my name's Ryan Murphy. I am a Vice President in Development at National Development. Um first of all I want to thank you guys for having us today. Thank you to the board. Um thank you to the Historic Commission for weighing in to date.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:37 - 1:08:43)
Thank you to Marcy and Krista for keeping us organized to date. It's been extremely helpful to get us to this point.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:44 - 1:08:50)
Just want to introduce the team we have here. National Development has partnered with Princeton Properties on this project.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:51 - 1:08:55)
Princeton is a very, very successful operator of multifamily projects.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:55 - 1:09:03)
We've done a couple of deals with them so far and we're excited for this one. It brings a level of quality to the project that we're excited about.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:03 - 1:09:19)
Um, National Development, a little bit about us. We are not a national organization, even though it's in our name. Uh we've been around for a little over forty years and the majority of our work has been in the Commonwealth, so we are very much a local developer. Based out of Newton,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:19 - 1:09:29)
Lower Falls, that's our only office. Um, civil engineering on this project is is Bowler, who I know you guys are all familiar with from the previous application on this site.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:38 - 1:09:45)
So my primary goal tonight is to get some preliminary feedback from the planning board on our plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:46 - 1:09:48)
As Ted indicated,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:48 - 1:09:52)
we've had a number of conversations with staff behind closed doors,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:52 - 1:09:59)
but this is really our first opportunity to speak in front of the public and to get our plan out there for feedback from all of you.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:59 - 1:10:01)
So we look forward to that feedback.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:01 - 1:10:05)
We're gearing up to start pushing an application forward on this.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:05 - 1:10:31)
this project so we want to make sure that our application is aligned with with any thoughts that you guys have on the project just to make the process go smoother we also want to get into the process a little bit and just understand how you guys are viewing site plan approval here traffic studies any other sort of procedural expectations that you guys have for the job as we move this forward

[Speaker 1] (1:10:35 - 1:10:36)
So, just for context,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:36 - 1:10:39)
everybody knows where the Glover Farmhouse is,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:39 - 1:10:42)
but we always include an aerial to show the location.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:43 - 1:10:43)
So,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:43 - 1:10:46)
there are a lot of existing structures on this site,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:46 - 1:10:59)
and everything that you see highlighted in gray and black are structures that we are proposing to demolish in order to make way for the residential development.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:00 - 1:11:02)
But through conversations with the Historic Commission,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:03 - 1:11:04)
through conversations with the town,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:04 - 1:11:07)
we've learned about the significance of the Glover House.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:07 - 1:11:09)
We respect the significance of the Glover House.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:09 - 1:11:14)
So the plan that we are proposing today has the portion in blue,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:14 - 1:11:18)
which is the original portion of the Glover, remaining in its place.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:20 - 1:11:28)
We have had some active conversations with Nancy and the remainder of the historic commission about gaining access to the project,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:28 - 1:11:30)
to start to study it, to start to design it.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:30 - 1:11:36)
What we're showing now is a placeholder based off of information that we have, but we'll continue to refine.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:36 - 1:11:40)
The footprint of that building as we go through a process with her.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:41 - 1:11:43)
When we set out to plan this project,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:43 - 1:11:45)
we had a few criteria in mind internally.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:46 - 1:11:50)
One was to limit our deviations from the prior approved site plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:50 - 1:11:53)
Obviously the preservation of the Glover House is a deviation,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:53 - 1:11:57)
so you'll notice some changes to the plan because of that.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:57 - 1:12:01)
But a lot of what we were trying to do, unit mix, parking,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:01 - 1:12:03)
we were trying to stay as close to what was.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:03 - 1:12:05)
what was previously approved as possible.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:05 - 1:12:12)
Didn't want to reinvent the wheel here, we just wanted to add the national development and Princeton flavor to make this a successful project,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:12 - 1:12:14)
improve the architecture from the outside,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:14 - 1:12:17)
make some site improvements for traffic,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:17 - 1:12:18)
parking,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:18 - 1:12:21)
vehicular movements through the site.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:21 - 1:12:27)
But we're largely trying to limit any sort of exceptions that we might have to ask for from all of you.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:28 - 1:12:29)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:29 - 1:12:36)
so the, the, the design standards from both Swamscott and Marblehead also helped to guide our discussions.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:36 - 1:12:42)
They're very similar in that they lean into a New England aesthetic,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:42 - 1:12:44)
as I'll call it. Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:44 - 1:12:45)
a lot of vertical variation,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:45 - 1:12:47)
a lot of horizontal variation,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:47 - 1:12:49)
pitched roofs that pitch to a certain degree,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:49 - 1:12:50)
um,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:50 - 1:12:51)
material variation,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:52 - 1:12:56)
the idea of a building looking like a downtown or a series of

[Speaker 1] (1:12:56 - 1:12:58)
series of buildings that came together over time,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:58 - 1:13:05)
the use of color, the use of different sorts of, you know, hardy materials or different sorts of stone to add interest to the project.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:06 - 1:13:11)
These are all elements that we have tried very consciously to incorporate into our architecture.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:11 - 1:13:22)
And PCA later on the presentation will walk you guys through the renderings and the elevations and I think you'll start to start to really feel the influence of the Glover, the influence of of Swampscott coming through these.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:22 - 1:13:23)
of these buildings.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:28 - 1:13:48)
And with that I'll introduce myself. I'm Steve Matarano with Bowler. Um we just heard Macriotis to keep um a lot of the same context we had from or or that existed from the previous approval and the previous project uh including me. So uh I hopefully I I can then some of the

[Speaker 2] (1:13:49 - 1:13:55)
modifications we've done to the site plan carry through some previous comments we've gotten from from this board and the town in general.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:57 - 1:14:08)
So I'll just go through the statistics really quick. The site plan looks very similar to what you had before. Obviously you're seeing that upper left hand corner and it's time to start to not

[Speaker 3] (1:14:08 - 1:14:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:09 - 1:14:09)
point at the screen.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:09 - 1:14:10)
you're good.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:12 - 1:14:32)
The Glover house in a in the top left corner, that's probably the most significant modification is preserving that piece of the house. We introduced a new parking lot over there which accesses from where you would access the front of the house today. So we kept the small driveway in the same location and then just moved it around to the front of the house to create some parking there.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:33 - 1:14:37)
Uh and the other three buildings are effectively in the same location. We do have

[Speaker 2] (1:14:38 - 1:15:01)
two four story buildings, uh similar height to what the previous approval was and the one building bottom of the page is five stories really to keep that density in the same place, but freeing up some space to to keep it lower. So then like up instead of as um much brighter of a colour than the original.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:02 - 1:15:27)
Ah, what's the net uh it and and the building on the top of the pages in Marblehead, the other two buildings are or the other two residential buildings are are here in Swampscott and then we have uh the Clubhouses Swampscott and uh we have one amenity building in each each space and some of that is for balance out our coverage open space um.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:27 - 1:15:48)
to me to to meet the requirements and stay consistent with the previous requirements. Uh the net is a hundred and forty units um between all all three buildings. Ninety six in Swan's Court, forty four in Marblehead. Um uh total is uh on this drawing is two hundred and twenty parking spaces. Um the

[Speaker 2] (1:15:48 - 1:15:50)
The previous approval was 220,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:50 - 1:16:07)
too. So again, translate very consistent um with some thoughtful, we think, improvements to this layout. Uh density is consistent, setbacks are consistent, which is um thirteen and a half foot setback up of Salem Street. Uh

[Speaker 2] (1:16:07 - 1:16:22)
Uh and we had a fifteen foot setback across. So those two are are effectively the same uh as the previous approvals. We really tried to respect those um discussions that came up with that layout and so we're trying to improve that.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:24 - 1:16:28)
Uh open area, open space uh are compliant in both towns.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:29 - 1:16:37)
Um we'll have some graphics that show the building heights for for five story buildings, and I'll let the architect show you what that looks like. Uh

[Speaker 2] (1:16:38 - 1:16:47)
The curb cuts um for the for the main campus I I mention new one for the Glover House. But the other two curb cuts that really access the bulk of the residential

[Speaker 2] (1:16:47 - 1:16:55)
those uh are in the same place. Uh we've maintained the the pedestrian improvements being crosswalks at

[Speaker 2] (1:16:56 - 1:17:13)
At Venom in Salem, there were some improvements there, those are still intact in this drawing, and same at uh our entrance off of Salem Street there's a new crosswalk. And uh accessibility improvements that we drew upon previously. Um and then uh

[Speaker 2] (1:17:14 - 1:17:24)
but lastly the utilities, the approach will need to refine it based on a new layout, but it's it's effectively gonna be the same due to town strength requirements. Um you know

[Speaker 2] (1:17:24 - 1:17:26)
on total donations.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:27 - 1:17:36)
So that is a lot on on a site plan. But generally after you answer questions afterwards I'll turn it over to the consultants to see it.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:36 - 1:17:43)
Hey everybody. Um nice to be with you all tonight. I'm joined by my colleague Laura Portney from PCA. Um so

[Speaker 4] (1:17:43 - 1:18:10)
So just want to start about the buildings, you know, taking a a look at um where we've brought them to, pulling from the local context and, you know, being inspired by a number of um buildings throughout, you know, Swampscott and Marblehead as we've been looking um to really knit this into the community. Um so we're pulling inspiration from buildings that feature a variety of root forms, a variety of colours and materials.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:10 - 1:18:36)
and how they come together um in unique combinations that create visual variety um between the buildings. We'll also treat you'll see what treating the buildings slightly differently. They look like they belong together although they're not all just carbon copies of one another. They have their own flair um pulling from some of the detailing that we've seen. So ideas like varied dormer shapes and rooflines, varied t siding textures and

[Speaker 4] (1:18:36 - 1:18:40)
And whether that trim is light in contrast or dark,

[Speaker 4] (1:18:41 - 1:19:01)
you know, strengthen the corners or the framing of different elements. Uh you'll see a variety of balcony types throughout, um some that are recessed, some that are, you know, extend outward. Um so again, we're pulling from this context to put together a new language that feels like it is of

[Speaker 4] (1:19:01 - 1:19:24)
Um of this area, of New England, um of this community while having a, you know, a composition that feels up to date. Um same site plan just with a little colour. Um here just to reinforce and then, you know, we'll we'll kinda walk around uh what each building uh is doing by

[Speaker 1] (1:19:45 - 1:19:55)
Then building three being the building in marblehead where we have uh partial amenity program between that and the uh single unit adjacent to Glover.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:57 - 1:20:03)
So this uh next image is an aerial um kind of looking towards uh the

[Speaker 1] (1:20:03 - 1:20:29)
the golf course um from the intersection of uh Vernon and Salem. And uh what you see in the foreground most importantly is is the Glover house um you know in its uh original configuration and what we tried to do is pull the buildings back from it and keep the facades facing it um a little quieter. So that um it's really uh what we believe is framing um

[Speaker 1] (1:20:29 - 1:20:37)
um framing the Glover house and giving it its due at this corner. Uh you'll see here the variety um

[Speaker 1] (1:20:37 - 1:20:55)
Between all the buildings you see different kinds of roofs, roofs, gables and hips. You see um you know some with dormer elements, you'll see some balconies that are inset, some that are uh sitting out forward, some that are partially integrated into uh these gable pop-outs.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:55 - 1:20:59)
Uh you can see the building form pop in and out a bit. All of this is to break the scale,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:03)
um to bring these um components more into

[Speaker 1] (1:21:04 - 1:21:32)
um uh the feeling that we're getting at um pulling from our inspiration. Uh right here we're taking a shot uh at the site entry off of Salem uh street here and what you see is between the two buildings here in Swampscott a variety of textures, colours, forms, um so pulling from some shingles or some clabbards, some stone at the base, uh windows with the divided light, um

[Speaker 1] (1:21:33 - 1:21:51)
And, you know, the palette, you know, we think is a soft palette that's complementary um to the town and to the buildings around us, especially the Glover. You'll see um some of these inset balconies, we think, you know, we're trying to frame um these entry moments with, you know, a nice touch here.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:53 - 1:21:54)
As we go around

[Speaker 1] (1:21:55 - 1:22:22)
You see again uh from the corners, looking across from the intersection, um, see the People Mover has here in the foreground, the two buildings where, as I mentioned, where we you know we have the hip roofs there and, you know, we're we're taking and framing it. Uh see the palette, the difference between, you know, the more seaside blue with the white accents on the right, um and then pulling from the a deeper green with dark accents on the left.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:23 - 1:22:27)
um all to bring that visual variety um to pass here.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:28 - 1:22:48)
And then at the other side entry point, um just giving you another sense of the the four story building here on the marble head side, um and again the thinking is uh nice variety and robust plantings along the street. Um trying to present a really um handsome set of buildings to the town.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:50 - 1:23:02)
Bring here uh just elevations uh these are typical elevations of building one, showing the combo of hip and uh shed and gable. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:23:03 - 1:23:13)
and as Steve mentioned, so the the building height here uh four stories on building one, forty nine feet is measured to the mid point of the um high point of the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:13 - 1:23:33)
uh average grade as we calculate it in in finesse it may move that uh, you know, a few inches up or down, um, but for right now we're going off of the base level as we set the stage here. Uh building two, typical elevations again give you a sense of some different typologies. This is the five story building.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:34 - 1:23:40)
Um you see we're using a double gable on on the ends uh framing some of these inset balconies.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:41 - 1:23:44)
And, you know, just noting again that the parking is all screened.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:47 - 1:24:07)
And then bel Oh and th thank you. The height on that one, sixty foot five inches um on that one. And then building three here um is uh same height as building one and um again you can get a sense of the the variety of materials.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:08 - 1:24:32)
Uh this is just a building section but what is was nice to show in this is that all of the buildings have the sloped roof language um that the design guidelines are shooting at, but they also allow us to have some flat roof on the inside of that. And that's that's a helpful tool to help us screen all the mechanicals that we'll need uh for these buildings. So that you w won't be visible from view and you can see the slope in the roofs around.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:34 - 1:24:51)
Quickly just uh you know give you a sense of the buildings, uh as Steve mentioned in and Ryan mentioned, you know, similar uh unit uh count mix. Uh this is building one. You know, series of one-bedrooms, one-bedroom dens and two bedrooms. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:24:53 - 1:25:02)
this is building two it the the lowest level, the parking um small lobby and some storage uh areas here.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:02 - 1:25:13)
And then up you can see the mix of units and the variety of the balcony types. This has, you know, three conditions inset, nested and uh hanging on its own.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:15 - 1:25:16)
And then building three here.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:17 - 1:25:41)
Uh similarly this one has a couple of units on the ground adjacent to Glover. You can see the amenity building is is kind of attached to uh building three here uh with the second one that's in Swanscott um over here. And we think when we get down to the landscape, the framing of the kind of court that's between all those, I think can be a really nice uh space on the site. Uh there's a lot of opportunity as we go into to really creating

[Speaker 1] (1:25:42 - 1:25:42)
um you know

[Speaker 1] (1:25:43 - 1:25:46)
some nice places to to be and to circulate between.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:49 - 1:26:05)
And then just leave you with this. Um you know some thinking about the materials uh that you see here a combination of shingles, lap siding, board and batten vertical siding, some brick, stone veneer, and then you know asphalt uh shingles on the roofs.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:06 - 1:26:08)
Uh so with that uh

[Speaker 1] (1:26:09 - 1:26:11)
That's what we're here to share. I don't know if Ryan knew I had that.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:12 - 1:26:12)
That's it.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:13 - 1:26:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 12] (1:26:15 - 1:26:15)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:26:15 - 1:26:23)
So I think what would be helpful for you and that we can engage in a conversation, from us.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:24 - 1:26:36)
Um I think what would be helpful for us is thoughts from the planning board on the height, because that's a significant waiver. Um as we've discussed, the height is a

[Speaker 2] (1:26:36 - 1:26:50)
Direct result of the preservation of the Glover and us having to shift the massing around the site in order to keep that unit count that we really need in order to make this project make economic sense in today's market.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:52 - 1:27:01)
So feedback from the board on the height because that's a threshold issue and we have a process to start internally to start spending money designing.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:02 - 1:27:19)
Um, general feedback on the site, the site layout compared to what you all approved previously, any concerns, any any open feedback would be extremely valuable. Um and then just some feedback on on process, next steps, you know, how you wanna take this project given you've approved here before.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:20 - 1:27:22)
Sure, so what we can finish up with process.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:22 - 1:27:23)
Sounds good.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:23 - 1:27:26)
I think um for the rest of the board.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:27 - 1:27:36)
Feel free to ask any questions and we can make sure we tick off all the questions that they just suggested would be helpful for them. For context, according to our Glover Multifamily Overlay District zoning bylaw,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:37 - 1:27:56)
um height requirements are fifty feet. The waiver uh the planning board can give a waiver for that. So that is the request here with the feedback they're looking for. Additional waivers, it sounds like it's parking which is similar to the Leggett-McCall plan that was approved several years ago.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:56 - 1:27:58)
Open space? No?

[Speaker 4] (1:27:59 - 1:27:59)
We

[Speaker 3] (1:27:59 - 1:27:59)
You

[Speaker 4] (1:27:59 - 1:27:59)
satisfy.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:59 - 1:28:01)
meet the open space, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:02 - 1:28:05)
So really those are the two big ones, height and uh parking.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:07 - 1:28:11)
So hand it over to the board for any questions and I've got a list of my own. But

[Speaker 4] (1:28:15 - 1:28:25)
So I'll start on the height issue. Um I think the selection of the location of the building that is carrying the more, the the the greater height

[Speaker 4] (1:28:25 - 1:28:43)
makes sense, um in the sense of it not dwarfing other buildings, pulling it away from the streets allowing there to be a foreground and a background um that seems like the logical placement to me. Um one of the things that

[Speaker 4] (1:28:43 - 1:28:51)
I mean, I will just state I don't agree with our guidelines that are about, you know, only sloped roofs,

[Speaker 4] (1:28:51 - 1:29:01)
because I think it has created a design problem for you that made this project difficult to get.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:01 - 1:29:03)
Because unfortunately,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:03 - 1:29:04)
at this scale,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:04 - 1:29:09)
the buildings tend to start looking like service drive.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:11 - 1:29:19)
budget hotels because that is the language of it and this is sort of a gateway project that is a problem we have created for you

[Speaker 1] (1:29:43 - 1:30:09)
to try to get some of the proportions feeling a little bit more mixed because the challenge of building buildings of this scale where there's this thought that they start looking like they're organic with when we're stuck on one roof pitch, it's it's a little problematic. And the other thing with the height limits when we're coming in with the floor plates as we are and putting the peak

[Speaker 1] (1:30:09 - 1:30:27)
all of the sloping above that. Another thing that could start softening some of the the look of it in the massing would be looking at how to bring those down to the half floors. So so bringing peaks a little bit lower and having having that either third

[Speaker 1] (1:30:28 - 1:30:51)
what it would be fourth or fifth floor interrupted by the slope, I think could start softening some of the size issues. So looking at these combinations I know that the the flat roof behind a a sloped parapet works really well, but a flat roof behind a parapet works really well too. Um so those things I would I would really

[Speaker 1] (1:30:52 - 1:31:14)
want to consider. I also think it's important with the material changes to look at the nature of the materials. Um right now I'm sort of seeing corner boards on brick and corner boards on stone where they're coming all the way down to the base and I think material shifts that emphasize floor changes and levels

[Speaker 1] (1:31:15 - 1:31:39)
are more logical than if you you create a frame and then this gets put in. I would love to see this all in black and white with no finishes on it and because right now I feel like a lot of the finishes are distracting from what the actual massings of the project are. So really understanding the massings and the roof pitches and and so forth, it would almost be easier to see this not rendered,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:40 - 1:31:43)
um um because I feel some of that is there.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:43 - 1:32:10)
I find that the double double hung window pairings everywhere creates a monotony that is being broken up in material and I think there could be some very interesting thoughts about I'm seeing a couple places where single windows are being used but they're being used in exactly the same way on all the buildings I think that there there could be some things there the other thing that I'm a little bit concerned about

[Speaker 1] (1:32:10 - 1:32:34)
of is there I don't feel there's an emphasis on entrance or community space at entrance or even coverage for weather or rain. Um I think that really allows people to know where they are. It's a it's a way finding technique that I'm not seeing um illustrated. And it can also have to do with where I am in the in the angles of these.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:35 - 1:32:41)
So there's a a number of things that are are challenging um for me when I'm looking at this.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:42 - 1:32:59)
I would love to see um I would love to see as I said I'd love to see the massing of this more because I feel like it's it's masked a little bit in the in the material um the way the material is rendered. So

[Speaker 1] (1:33:01 - 1:33:06)
I apologize because I do design reviews in your university setting. So that's what I sound like.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:07 - 1:33:17)
It's all it's helpful feedback. Just out of just out of curiosity, the the design guidelines that call for the pitched roofs that we've included here,

[Speaker 2] (1:33:17 - 1:33:21)
if we are to deviate from them in a in a submission,

[Speaker 2] (1:33:21 - 1:33:25)
are they simply guidelines or does that require relief from the planning board?

[Speaker 3] (1:33:25 - 1:33:28)
I would suggest to you that if

[Speaker 3] (1:33:29 - 1:33:41)
You want to deviate from th their design standards. So if we deviate from them, that would require a move from us at our town meeting, or a rewrite of our zoning law. So that is not realistic to happen

[Speaker 1] (1:33:41 - 1:33:41)
But,

[Speaker 3] (1:33:41 - 1:33:42)
on a short timeline.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:43 - 1:33:50)
but at the same time I don't believe there's an interpretation where there are buildings that only have slopes.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:51 - 1:33:55)
So I do think that it would be defendable

[Speaker 1] (1:33:56 - 1:34:00)
for there to be a combination. Not that the predominant roof is flat,

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:07)
but everything being sloped I think would be defendable. Read it to me.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:08 - 1:34:21)
Whatever the design standards say is what we have to go with. The documents that will sponsor that smart growth overlay district design standards design standards are applicable to all development projects within G-Mod, local multifamily overlay district.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:21 - 1:34:30)
That are subject to plan review by the Planning Board. So you would either have to sh whatever the design guidelines say, which I have not read in some time.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:30 - 1:34:35)
Can you pull can you pull the the how quickly can you pull those up?

[Speaker 4] (1:34:35 - 1:34:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:35 - 1:34:37)
We have them in here, we have

[Speaker 3] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
We have

[Speaker 2] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
here language.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
it is.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:37 - 1:34:38)
it wrapped right.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
Beautiful.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:38 - 1:34:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:38 - 1:34:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:40 - 1:34:48)
'Cause I think to your point, is it saying every part portion of the roof has to slope, or is it saying that roof slopes are our priority?

[Speaker 4] (1:34:49 - 1:34:51)
Correct? And is there a way that we can mix

[Speaker 5] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52)
I'm trying to find it.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:52 - 1:34:53)
this is our

[Speaker 3] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
interpretation

[Speaker 3] (1:34:53 - 1:34:54)
not on that

[Speaker 4] (1:34:54 - 1:34:54)
of

[Speaker 3] (1:34:54 - 1:34:54)
slide.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:54 - 1:34:55)
the solution.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:55 - 1:34:55)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:55 - 1:34:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:55 - 1:34:55)
Slide.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:56 - 1:34:56)
Um it's

[Speaker 3] (1:34:56 - 1:34:57)
It was

[Speaker 4] (1:34:57 - 1:34:57)
not the

[Speaker 3] (1:34:57 - 1:35:05)
it was a lengthy document that my understanding was approved by town meeting in two thousand and seventeen sixteen or something.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:05 - 1:35:06)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:06 - 1:35:07)
So I have not actually taken part

[Speaker 4] (1:35:07 - 1:35:07)
I can't

[Speaker 3] (1:35:07 - 1:35:07)
in

[Speaker 4] (1:35:07 - 1:35:08)
find it.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
it.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:35:08 - 1:35:09)
have not in my time

[Speaker 5] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
on the board.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:10 - 1:35:14)
We'll have enough other questions that hopefully we can we can have that ready.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:16 - 1:35:23)
I guess while we're waiting for that, I'll just say I'll echo everything that Juris said, I knew that you would be able to say it better than I could.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:24 - 1:35:26)
As far as the height goes,

[Speaker 6] (1:35:26 - 1:35:32)
you know, I don't have any problem with the height, especially if it's done in this way where the bigger building is sort of tucked in back, I think that's

[Speaker 6] (1:35:33 - 1:35:48)
fine, and I'm supportive of a development here generally. I don't like how the parking for the Glover is put right in front. You know, I was looking at the old plans from twenty twenty two and those had a lot more at least it looked to me, I wasn't here then,

[Speaker 6] (1:35:49 - 1:36:02)
uh had a lot more green space and paths and that sort of thing looked like more like sort of areas for people to walk and bike and all that. And as some people have already noted, that front corner is really sort of a gateway into the town.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:01 - 1:36:04)
town to just have a parking lot right there seems um

[Speaker 6] (1:36:06 - 1:36:14)
It's like a little depressing. Um so, uh I did notice that, you know, the the parking I know you're looking for a waiver on parking too, although

[Speaker 3] (1:36:14 - 1:36:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:14 - 1:36:20)
I wasn't totally clear what that was, 'cause it looks like you need eighty eight and uh oh 'cause you have a hundred and twelve proposed and is

[Speaker 6] (1:36:21 - 1:36:30)
I guess regardless I thought when I was looking through initially that maybe some of that parking could be moved in back somewhere, whether there's dedicated parking for the Glover

[Speaker 6] (1:36:30 - 1:36:32)
just in the you know.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:33 - 1:36:44)
general parking for the site. I don't know if you were required to have a certain amount of parking for that space or if you were just thinking that people would want to come out and that the Glover would need its own separate area.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:44 - 1:36:56)
It was it was it was kind of too intense. One was we want the Glover to feel separated from the project just if the Glover gets a lot of traffic from visitors it's

[Speaker 2] (1:36:58 - 1:37:00)
Keeping it separate from where our residents are,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:00 - 1:37:03)
you know, taking their dogs out is is important.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:04 - 1:37:16)
We did try to put the parking as far away from the street as possible and make that landscape buffer as large as we could. And maybe this is a conversation that happens during landscape plan review.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:17 - 1:37:21)
The difficulty we face is that the Glover can't move, right? So

[Speaker 2] (1:37:22 - 1:37:26)
Unless we can get a larger variance on parking,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:27 - 1:37:31)
there's not a lot of space in the centre of this site to fit additional spaces.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:32 - 1:37:43)
And we're already sort of at our limit for how small we can make our amenity space in an offering like this that we're comfortable and how small we can make the buildings.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:44 - 1:37:45)
Is

[Speaker 2] (1:37:45 - 1:37:45)
It

[Speaker 6] (1:37:45 - 1:37:50)
the gliver required to have a certain number of spaces or did you guys just decide that 10 is what you were putting in there?

[Speaker 2] (1:37:50 - 1:37:53)
That's what we fit at that plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:54 - 1:38:05)
So I guess I'd want to see if there's like ways to just have that parking go in the general parking, you know, maybe on the edge or something so it's not interfering with the rest of the site. But

[Speaker 7] (1:38:07 - 1:38:12)
So the that that that parking for the Glover is included in the

[Speaker 7] (1:38:13 - 1:38:14)
Spaces for the apartments,

[Speaker 5] (1:38:14 - 1:38:15)
It is correct.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:15 - 1:38:15)
for numbers.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:16 - 1:38:27)
And I guess first of all, I'm thrilled that you can save the Glover house. That's a a huge, yeah, it goes a long way to offset the height. I don't have any problem with that.

[Speaker 7] (1:38:27 - 1:38:33)
That just to make sure, are we allowed to give that much relief, or is it we limit it to some percentage or

[Speaker 3] (1:38:34 - 1:38:44)
So as it pertains to the exact wording of the zoning by-law, we have permission to waive the height requirements. Uh to waive all dimensional requirements, we don't have any thresholds that we have

[Speaker 3] (1:38:44 - 1:38:45)
we have to adhere to.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:45 - 1:38:49)
I think in the mentality that I have used on reviewing this,

[Speaker 3] (1:38:50 - 1:38:57)
it has been to use the twenty percent that zoning board uses as a way finder almost,

[Speaker 5] (1:38:57 - 1:38:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:57 - 1:39:03)
but I wouldn't say that's there's no reasoning in the by-law that means we have to be strict about that. That's just the mentality I've had.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:03 - 1:39:04)
It's in range.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:05 - 1:39:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:06 - 1:39:08)
so we're looking for ten and a half or something.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:08 - 1:39:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:39:08 - 1:39:14)
Okay. Um and the maybe this is not the right place for the question, but what's the intention

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:16)
but what's the intention for the Glover itself?

[Speaker 2] (1:39:17 - 1:39:26)
Our intention is to um negotiate and agree on a structure with the historic commission where they would renovate and operate the Glover

[Speaker 1] (1:39:26 - 1:39:27)
As a

[Speaker 2] (1:39:27 - 1:39:27)
in

[Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:27)
historic

[Speaker 2] (1:39:27 - 1:39:27)
whatever way

[Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:27)
site?

[Speaker 2] (1:39:27 - 1:39:31)
they see fit. Yeah, as a historic site, as a museum,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:31 - 1:39:33)
as whatever they decide.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:36 - 1:39:37)
So it wouldn't be your

[Speaker 2] (1:39:38 - 1:39:39)
It would not be ours, no.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:39 - 1:39:56)
The preliminary to answer that question with a little more detail, I think the preliminary conversations that have taken place between national and the town that I have been part of have indicated some form of 99-year ground lease to this town, the historic commission,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:56 - 1:39:58)
or another body that

[Speaker 3] (1:39:59 - 1:40:19)
both of those, all of these parties have approved out. To assume control, maintenance, all of that, with a intent of whoever that body is expend the funds to secure the envelope of the building through the same construction timeline as this project would take, um and raise the funds privately to to pay for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:21 - 1:40:25)
Okay. Uh so say there's gonna have to be some parking there.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:27 - 1:40:35)
Maybe not ten, though because there is a pretty good sized parking lot right across the street to across Redmond Street and across Salem Street as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:36 - 1:40:45)
So I think there's also one point discussion about uh this back driveway here where the crosswalks are added.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:45 - 1:40:48)
There are some some old columns, some stone

[Speaker 3] (1:40:48 - 1:40:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:48 - 1:40:49)
columns with some

[Speaker 1] (1:40:50 - 1:41:02)
the grass or steel lining and they're not shown in the renderings but maybe they could be used up at that Glover entrance to kind of preserve the the flavor of the Glover property.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:03 - 1:41:04)
And that was represented in the previous approval.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:05 - 1:41:07)
I was going to say that that isn't the decision for the previous one.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:07 - 1:41:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:08 - 1:41:12)
And I would heavily suggest you uh try and do your best to keep those.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:12 - 1:41:13)
Yeah, of course.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:15 - 1:41:16)
And was the gate also

[Speaker 1] (1:41:17 - 1:41:20)
historical the Medal

[Speaker 2] (1:41:20 - 1:41:20)
These

[Speaker 1] (1:41:20 - 1:41:20)
of Honor

[Speaker 2] (1:41:20 - 1:41:21)
are not to that period. Not.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:22 - 1:41:25)
Those are not of that era.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:25 - 1:41:26)
The pillars are though.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:29)
The stone pillars,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:29 - 1:41:30)
maybe not.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:31 - 1:41:32)
So they've always been there though.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33)
They've

[Speaker 4] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33)
What

[Speaker 3] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33)
been there I

[Speaker 4] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33)
does that

[Speaker 3] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33)
think

[Speaker 4] (1:41:33 - 1:41:34)
mean?

[Speaker 3] (1:41:34 - 1:41:35)
ever since it was the Sanbeam

[Speaker 4] (1:41:35 - 1:41:36)
It's part

[Speaker 3] (1:41:36 - 1:41:37)
Hotel or...

[Speaker 2] (1:41:37 - 1:41:40)
of it as a commercial.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:42 - 1:41:43)
It adds to the flavor of

[Speaker 3] (1:41:43 - 1:41:43)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:41:43 - 1:41:43)
the neighborhood,

[Speaker 3] (1:41:43 - 1:41:44)
flavorful.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:44 - 1:41:46)
right. So I would encourage to try

[Speaker 2] (1:41:46 - 1:41:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:47 - 1:41:54)
and preserve that as much as possible. Maybe that minimizes the parking a little bit somehow or hides the parking a little bit more.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:56 - 1:41:57)
And the building heights certainly,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:57 - 1:42:07)
you know, we've got other buildings in town that are as tall if not taller and backing up to the golf course seems like a

[Speaker 1] (1:42:08 - 1:42:16)
minimal uh kind of impact on uh the surrounding properties in my opinion.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:17 - 1:42:19)
Amenity buildings are what?

[Speaker 2] (1:42:20 - 1:42:22)
Uh the amenity buildings, well

[Speaker 2] (1:42:22 - 1:42:35)
First of all, they're split because of lock coverage and open space requirements. We would not have them split in an ideal world, but the intent is for the building in Swampscott to be a fitness center and the building in Marblehead to be leasing office,

[Speaker 2] (1:42:35 - 1:42:36)
co-working,

[Speaker 2] (1:42:36 - 1:42:37)
common kitchen.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:37 - 1:42:43)
And in between them, which will show in the landscape plans, will be outdoor grills, patio space,

[Speaker 2] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
a trellis,

[Speaker 2] (1:42:44 - 1:42:48)
some sort of gathering space for the community. As of now.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:49 - 1:42:53)
They're still being designed, so they're just shown as place-holders at a specific size.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:58 - 1:43:03)
And this sort of white space at the back here between the parking lots, that just like a place for dumpster?

[Speaker 2] (1:43:04 - 1:43:05)
Yeah, trash and closing.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:05 - 1:43:11)
Trash. And then you've got some sort of some place to pile the snow up or cart it off off site?

[Speaker 5] (1:43:12 - 1:43:14)
Uh around the perimeter of the parking.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:15 - 1:43:17)
We have some interior landscape islands as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:18 - 1:43:21)
It's up on the trees and in the in the in the medians there.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:30 - 1:43:31)
I'm reading this roof.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:32 - 1:43:34)
And the first line is uh pretty damning.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:34 - 1:43:43)
Well, the first line and then you go to the third line. So the first line is roofs shall be simple and symmetrically pitched.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:44 - 1:43:46)
Then the third line is roof forms

[Speaker 1] (1:43:46 - 1:43:46)
Bless you.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:46 - 1:43:53)
should be varied within a block and should be varied within a building, incorporating parapets, decorative cornice treatments,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:53 - 1:43:55)
belt courses and window bays.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:57 - 1:44:06)
Simple. It's like, okay. So those two are are really contrasting. Um

[Speaker 3] (1:44:07 - 1:44:08)
the

[Speaker 5] (1:44:10 - 1:44:14)
Other thing that is sort of interesting is number two, mansard roofs,

[Speaker 5] (1:44:14 - 1:44:15)
and

[Speaker 5] (1:44:16 - 1:44:18)
gambrel roofs are prohibited.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:19 - 1:44:24)
And when you have the slope behind a flat roof,

[Speaker 5] (1:44:25 - 1:44:27)
it's, you know, here's a mansard roof.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:28 - 1:44:36)
Here is a flat behind a slope, so I'm I'm struggling with like if we're and we have been approving these. I think there's

[Speaker 3] (1:44:36 - 1:44:38)
This is only for.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:40 - 1:44:41)
this plot.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:41 - 1:44:43)
For only for this plot, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:43 - 1:44:54)
And this was done just for historical context when the town approved this as a 40 yard smart growth district per law we had to adopt design guidelines. This is the design guidelines that were approved and since GMOD was just adapting that,

[Speaker 5] (1:44:54 - 1:44:54)
Got it.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:54 - 1:44:55)
you know

[Speaker 5] (1:44:55 - 1:45:01)
But number I think the c the conflict between the first and the third

[Speaker 5] (1:45:03 - 1:45:04)
pair of hits

[Speaker 5] (1:45:13 - 1:45:27)
I mean in architecture, parapets are there's two different uses of that phrase. One is a rail at the top of a mansard and one is the top of a wall which conceals a flat roof.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:31 - 1:45:31)
I I

[Speaker 5] (1:45:34 - 1:45:42)
I think that there is some room for discussion in there if it was something that helped in the massing and the design of the building.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:43 - 1:45:49)
But your other idea of moving them up and down about where the spring point of them is is another,

[Speaker 3] (1:45:49 - 1:45:49)
you know.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:49 - 1:46:05)
Yeah, because that does give you the ability to start pulling some of these buildings down and making them more different from each other in massing. So it could be that your tall building is allowed to be tall.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:06 - 1:46:13)
But we make the other ones be a little bit shorter and sort of celebrate that that you're getting a variance for some since you're getting a variance for it.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:18 - 1:46:20)
Your renderings here,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:20 - 1:46:26)
I don't think I saw an elevator shaft. Or did I miss that on the roof of any of the buildings?

[Speaker 5] (1:46:26 - 1:46:27)
No, I mean

[Speaker 2] (1:46:27 - 1:46:33)
We would need an overrun, but within the height of the uh we're not providing roof access

[Speaker 3] (1:46:33 - 1:46:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:34 - 1:46:37)
via the elevator. So within, you know, the height of the slopes roofs

[Speaker 3] (1:46:37 - 1:46:38)
Is where

[Speaker 2] (1:46:38 - 1:46:38)
it

[Speaker 3] (1:46:38 - 1:46:38)
the thing

[Speaker 2] (1:46:38 - 1:46:39)
would be within it, you wouldn't

[Speaker 3] (1:46:39 - 1:46:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:39 - 1:46:40)
see it, it would be within it.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:40 - 1:46:40)
Got it.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:40 - 1:46:45)
And then, you know, access to the roof would be through a roof at you at the top of the stairs.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:45 - 1:46:45)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:47 - 1:46:54)
What is the height at the peak of the the four-story buildings and the five-story building? I understand it was

[Speaker 3] (1:46:55 - 1:46:58)
60 feet in a couple inches or something on

[Speaker 6] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58)
But the

[Speaker 3] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58)
fourth

[Speaker 3] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58)
five to

[Speaker 6] (1:46:58 - 1:46:58)
story

[Speaker 3] (1:46:58 - 1:46:59)
the midpoint.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:59 - 1:46:59)
is the four.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:00 - 1:47:03)
That's the marble head dimension because

[Speaker 2] (1:47:03 - 1:47:03)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:03 - 1:47:04)
they measure the peak.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:04 - 1:47:06)
I don't know that we did the 61 or the

[Speaker 6] (1:47:06 - 1:47:10)
It's about 64 from memory.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:11 - 1:47:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:20 - 1:47:23)
Were there any changes to the interior of the building? I know

[Speaker 3] (1:47:24 - 1:47:31)
Unit makeup unit count remained the same, but what accounted for some the variations in the building sizes?

[Speaker 2] (1:47:32 - 1:47:42)
Um size of units increased, average square footage of unit increased, which is something that we uh felt was very appropriate for this market,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:42 - 1:47:45)
um thinking of this as somebody who's either

[Speaker 2] (1:47:46 - 1:47:57)
you know, moved out of the city and in between buying a home but has a little bit of extra stuff or somebody who's downsizing, you know, empty nesters has a bigger couch, a little more stuff, that kind of need.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:57 - 1:48:01)
So the average unit size is a little bigger. Um aside from that,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:01 - 1:48:03)
these buildings are extremely efficient.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:03 - 1:48:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:03 - 1:48:11)
Um there's not a lot of lost space inside the building with the amenity being outside of the building. Um they're v it they're very simple.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:12 - 1:48:13)
geometrically.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:14 - 1:48:18)
And what other changes are present in your design,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:18 - 1:48:21)
other than obviously one of them's five stories,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:22 - 1:48:22)
the other one's a four,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:22 - 1:48:24)
this preserves the Glover House,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:24 - 1:48:27)
between your design and the Leggett-McCall approved design,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:27 - 1:48:31)
are there any other changes of significance that are material?

[Speaker 2] (1:48:34 - 1:48:40)
If you put the sites next to each other like if McCall had a pretty large um amenity building and pool kind of right in the middle of their site plan

[Speaker 3] (1:48:41 - 1:48:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:41 - 1:48:51)
um we felt it's more powerful to have amenities closer to at least one of the residential buildings and then have the two buildings closer to each other. It creates better traffic flow in our minds.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:54 - 1:49:00)
Outside of that the biggest the biggest change is the Glover that that shrunk that building and pulled a lot of the residential away from the corner.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:02 - 1:49:09)
And what is the setback on that building number two to Salem Street that

[Speaker 2] (1:49:17 - 1:49:20)
Fourteen and a half feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:24 - 1:49:28)
Is there a feasible way to pull that further back from that from that street

[Speaker 1] (1:49:32 - 1:49:33)
without losing parking spots?

[Speaker 2] (1:49:34 - 1:49:37)
Yeah, you do lose parking as you push it back.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:38 - 1:49:41)
Well, we'll take a look as we draw the detailed plans.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:41 - 1:49:50)
I think that was definitely something we wanted. So building one in about 13 and a half feet setback, which is the same location as the previous approval,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:51 - 1:49:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:51 - 1:49:55)
we're trying to do better, you know, a foot further back.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:56 - 1:49:57)
We'll keep looking for opportunities

[Speaker 1] (1:49:57 - 1:49:58)
I would to suggest

[Speaker 2] (1:49:58 - 1:49:58)
reduce.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:58 - 1:50:06)
that's a good idea to try and maximise whatever set-back you can there without eating away at your parking waivers that you already requesting.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:06 - 1:50:07)
And there are points

[Speaker 1] (1:50:07 - 1:50:07)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:07 - 1:50:12)
right so it's not as visible as building one which

[Speaker 1] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
Building

[Speaker 2] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
which

[Speaker 1] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
a wall.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:12 - 1:50:15)
building one's actually shorter than the approved building

[Speaker 1] (1:50:15 - 1:50:15)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:15 - 1:50:20)
one. So we've shortened the amount of building touching Salem Street and

[Speaker 2] (1:50:21 - 1:50:25)
But we'll take a look at that point and uh see what we

[Speaker 1] (1:50:25 - 1:50:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:25 - 1:50:26)
can do for additional numbering.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:33 - 1:50:34)
Okay. So

[Speaker 1] (1:50:34 - 1:50:35)
That makes it better.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:40 - 1:50:43)
Any other questions from the board? Feedback?

[Speaker 1] (1:50:45 - 1:50:46)
I know you still need guidance on process,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:46 - 1:50:49)
so I'll make sure we answer that before we conclude.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:52 - 1:50:57)
If there's not any further feedback or questions from the board, I

[Speaker 1] (1:51:00 - 1:51:13)
think it is warranted to have public comment on this, given we have some more tenants than our usual planning board meetings. So I will welcome that in a moment,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:13 - 1:51:17)
I just want to make sure the planning board has a chance to exhaust their questions and feedback beforehand.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:19 - 1:51:26)
I think the one the one other thing that I just noticed in looking through it is the sort of the

[Speaker 2] (1:51:27 - 1:51:47)
I would like to see a level of sensitivity around the detailing of the windows that are going in, 'cause the windows are very residential in nature that have been chosen, but they're lacking any casement um and they have they they're lacking shadow lines based on that and and so forth, and I think that could start

[Speaker 2] (1:51:47 - 1:52:05)
potentially shifting a sense of the scale a bit to uh to have a little more detail around the windows um I mean there's there's nice lintel work showing up at the brick, but once you're into the siding, the siding, it looks like it's a butting, and it's just basically

[Speaker 2] (1:52:06 - 1:52:13)
a un-cased windows. And I think that might help um bring that detail up a bit.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:18 - 1:52:31)
Before I open up the public comment, I will say I appreciate and I've let your colleagues know this as well. I very much appreciate the keeping the Glover site there and finding a way to have parking there,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:31 - 1:52:38)
which I don't think was asked of you, but you kind of did that. So that's very helpful and appreciated.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:38 - 1:52:44)
And I understand we're putting you in kind of a tough place with our flat roof design standards.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:45 - 1:52:51)
And asking you to keep the Glover House and telling you that the height makes us all uneasy, some of us more than others.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:52 - 1:52:54)
The height makes me very uncomfortable.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:54 - 1:52:58)
This is going to be the second tallest building in the town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:58 - 1:53:02)
second only to a 100-year-old elementary school that's about to be a hotel,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:02 - 1:53:04)
which is two feet taller than this.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:06 - 1:53:11)
So the height gives me very great pause to this.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:12 - 1:53:18)
Um, so you wanted feedback. So I wanted to make sure I was candid in giving that to you. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:53:18 - 1:53:19)
How high is Greenland?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:53:21 - 1:53:23)
Like six five I thought.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:23 - 1:53:25)
we looked at it, it was lower

[Speaker 1] (1:53:26 - 1:53:34)
When we initially heard this it was gonna be sixty eight feet. So that was the trigger that I had looked at. But I I believe I looked at this with Marcy and I was

[Speaker 3] (1:53:35 - 1:53:36)
And the new OLED thought it was three. pretty as short as this.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:36 - 1:53:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:37 - 1:53:38)
Make sure to check that.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:38 - 1:53:39)
By how much?

[Speaker 2] (1:53:39 - 1:53:40)
A couple feet.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:41 - 1:53:43)
The Hadley is only two feet bigger, but

[Speaker 3] (1:53:43 - 1:53:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:44 - 1:53:46)
Right, we will double check if this

[Speaker 2] (1:53:46 - 1:53:46)
double check

[Speaker 4] (1:53:46 - 1:53:46)
has changed

[Speaker 2] (1:53:46 - 1:53:46)
the Hadley.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:46 - 1:53:48)
since the last version.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:48 - 1:53:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:49 - 1:53:51)
And just as a reaction to that, Ted,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:51 - 1:53:53)
um the feedback

[Speaker 2] (1:53:53 - 1:53:54)
And that wasn't a surprise to you, I know I put here

[Speaker 3] (1:53:54 - 1:53:55)
no, it was it was no surprise,

[Speaker 2] (1:53:55 - 1:53:55)
all exact,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:55 - 1:53:55)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:55 - 1:53:56)
so.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:56 - 1:54:02)
Um the feedback is is definitely appreciated and we will study the architecture to see if we can get any

[Speaker 3] (1:54:02 - 1:54:10)
you know, a foot here, a foot there out of the height, um the height is a direct by-product of the preservation of the Glover. So,

[Speaker 2] (1:54:10 - 1:54:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:11 - 1:54:21)
you know, that's why the previous application was able to work within the zoning constraints and this one requires relief. It's just, you know, uh the sacrifice we're having to make to make it work.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:22 - 1:54:22)
Understood.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:23 - 1:54:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:23 - 1:54:24)
Like I said, I know we're putting you

[Speaker 3] (1:54:24 - 1:54:24)
In

[Speaker 1] (1:54:24 - 1:54:24)
in a

[Speaker 3] (1:54:24 - 1:54:24)
the pictures.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:24 - 1:54:25)
difficult

[Speaker 3] (1:54:25 - 1:54:26)
In the pictures.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:26 - 1:54:28)
yeah, difficult position here

[Speaker 3] (1:54:28 - 1:54:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:28 - 1:54:31)
um with all the different stakeholders we're working with.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:33 - 1:54:58)
With that, I will open it up to public comment. We have a fair bit of time sensitive items after this on our agenda as this is our last meeting to get something approved to go in the town meeting warrant. So with that being said, I will entertain public comment on this with a length of 90 seconds or less for your comment, just to ensure that as many people can speak to this as possible.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:59 - 1:55:02)
or we can still conduct the remainder of our business that we need to hear this evening.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:03 - 1:55:13)
So with that, if any members of the public here or online would like to make a comment on this pre-application review by National Development for the Glover residences,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:13 - 1:55:22)
please come up and grab a microphone or use the raise your hand feature online if you're online and would like to make a comment.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:24 - 1:55:24)
And if there's...

[Speaker 4] (1:55:24 - 1:55:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:55:25 - 1:55:29)
So anyone raise your hand who's here in person? Alright.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:39 - 1:55:47)
Hi, Nancy Schultz, chair of the Swampscott Historical Commission. I just want to take a moment to thank national development.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:48 - 1:56:02)
and the planning board for your work on this project and for your creativity in trying to find ways to preserve this site of major historic importance.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:02 - 1:56:05)
And we are very grateful to all of you.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:05 - 1:56:08)
The ideas we're hearing are brilliant,

[Speaker 5] (1:56:08 - 1:56:10)
and thank you so much.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:12 - 1:56:12)
Thank you, Nancy.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:14 - 1:56:17)
Any other members in the room this evening, before I turn to folks online?

[Speaker 1] (1:56:18 - 1:56:19)
Two.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:24 - 1:56:29)
I, uh Judy Anderson. I live in Marblehead actually, thirty one Orange Street, Marblehead.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:29 - 1:56:31)
Um thank you so much

[Speaker 6] (1:56:32 - 1:56:36)
for being so conscientious to keep this house standing. It's really wonderful.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
Um

[Speaker 6] (1:56:38 - 1:56:50)
I was so, I was very excited when I read your plan and proposals and seeing all the different variety of building shapes that you were being inspired by at the beginning, and colors as well.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:51 - 1:56:54)
Even though colors aren't necessarily historic,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:54 - 1:56:55)
that's a different issue.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:55 - 1:57:02)
But with the pictures you showed the photos of other houses that were inspiring you,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:02 - 1:57:04)
there was a variety of shapes.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:04 - 1:57:21)
And I think if that kind of feeling could be incorporated into the facades and the roof lines dropping down as someone on the planning board suggested to remove a little bit of the Motel 6 kind of blockiness,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:21 - 1:57:27)
which you've tried to get away from using the balconies and the recesses and so forth,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:27 - 1:57:30)
but if the roof lines could have a lot more variety.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:30 - 1:57:32)
and the planes.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:32 - 1:57:42)
If there was a little variety in the planes I think that would help a lot to lighten the massing and it wouldn't look like a big giant massive tower.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:43 - 1:57:45)
Those are just observations.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:45 - 1:57:53)
And I was surprised when I saw the intro and then the drawing I thought oh those turn did turn out to look like blocky buildings.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:54 - 1:57:58)
So I think your inspiration was really on target and if you could just shift.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:58 - 1:58:11)
shift a little bit of those roof lines and planes and especially maybe some less modern materials in some of your choices a couple of your choices make that very modern that might help

[Speaker 1] (1:58:11 - 1:58:13)
Thank you for your comment.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:13 - 1:58:13)
Thanks

[Speaker 1] (1:58:13 - 1:58:14)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:14 - 1:58:14)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:15 - 1:58:19)
Any other members of the public in person tonight who wish to make a comment?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:21 - 1:58:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:21 - 1:58:25)
Any members of the public who are joining us online who would like to?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:26 - 1:58:29)
Make a comment on this. You can use the raise your hand feature.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:32 - 1:58:33)
Well, maybe he can find it.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:33 - 1:58:39)
Only if he can find it. Okay, seeing none, we will close public comment on this topic.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:41 - 1:58:46)
As far as the next steps, you

[Speaker 1] (1:58:47 - 1:58:52)
are entitled to as many pre-application meetings as you like, but I obviously understand you want to start

[Speaker 1] (1:58:53 - 1:58:55)
proceeding with building and designing your building.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:56 - 1:59:04)
So any changes you make here, if you want to come back for another pre-application and get further feedback, that option is available to you. If you want

[Speaker 1] (1:59:04 - 1:59:15)
If you want to go for a full application that would require a public hearing obviously from us and our dear colleagues in Marblehead who I know most of which are online with us tonight watching this.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:23)
That would be filed through Krista's office through the Office of Community Development.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:23 - 1:59:26)
It'd be a public hearing with

[Speaker 1] (1:59:27 - 1:59:52)
Two weeks notice um in the papers before we could enter the hearing. The Leggett McCall plan uh referring that for historic timeline and context, as your colleague from Bowler might recall, I believe was five months from the opening of that hearing to the closing of that hearing and subsequent approval. That included a site visit two site visits actually, um which I don't know if

[Speaker 1] (1:59:52 - 2:00:03)
the board would choose to do that with this project, but it it may. Um but that's how long it took for the Lega McCall project to be approved, after which was a twenty day appeal period once the decision was filed with the town clerk.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:03 - 2:00:14)
I believe our colleagues in Marblehead that time approved the Lega McCall plan prior to the town of Swampscott. So we were the last permit granting authority um on that project.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:16 - 2:00:33)
So hopefully that gives you some insight there. You are required to do a traffic study or ask for a waiver for traffic study which we're allowed to give, but I the majority of the board would have to agree with that and if you want reactions from that tonight we'd be happy to give them.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:33 - 2:00:40)
Well, on the on the topic of traffic, um I I really see two options. One is a full traffic impact analysis.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:41 - 2:00:53)
One is a professional traffic memorandum that just identifies differences between traffic generated from our program and traffic generated from the previously approved plan.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:53 - 2:00:55)
Given it's the same unit count,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:55 - 2:00:56)
same curb cuts,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:56 - 2:00:57)
that feels appropriate.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:57 - 2:01:03)
It's just to be completely transparent, it's a faster option for us to get it produced,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:03 - 2:01:07)
but would look for some feedback on that as we prepare.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:10 - 2:01:19)
What does the board think on that topic? So it would require a full waiver from the board so we would have to vote to give them that waiver once the application is in.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:20 - 2:01:35)
And just additional I mean we did it in town we did a traffic study during COVID which couldn't have been less effective because nobody was on the road you know it's like we had the machines out there counting the three cars a day that we're driving but you know I don't

[Speaker 1] (2:01:35 - 2:01:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:35 - 2:01:37)
I don't know what that concession was so

[Speaker 3] (2:01:41 - 2:01:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:41 - 2:01:49)
Again, there was some state methodology that they allowed for traffic studies during that period of time that put it through a formula or something was my recollection.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:50 - 2:01:50)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:51 - 2:01:58)
Yeah. And I know they included that intersection at least for the light upgrades. And I think they want on Paradise as well,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:58 - 2:02:00)
Paradise and Lauren or whatever so yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:00 - 2:02:06)
Yeah, you know, I think we had two meetings where we devoted several hours to talking about traffic as a result of the project.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:07 - 2:02:27)
Um, so again, with with one colleague missing, I uh you're not gonna get a full read on the board. Um I think I'm probably erring on the side of I think more than a more than an update to the existing report would be valuable for the community. Um and whatever waivers you get from us, obviously our colleagues in Marblehead may have different

[Speaker 1] (2:02:28 - 2:02:28)
feedback.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:28 - 2:02:31)
the panes of two jurisdictions on one one site.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:31 - 2:02:36)
Yeah, I mean the beautiful thing about a traffic impact assessment is that it's the same for both

[Speaker 1] (2:02:36 - 2:02:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:36 - 2:02:36)
communities,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:36 - 2:02:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:37 - 2:02:37)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:37 - 2:02:40)
Yeah. But it w what we waive they may not or vice

[Speaker 2] (2:02:40 - 2:02:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:40 - 2:02:42)
versa, right. I have no idea. So um

[Speaker 3] (2:02:42 - 2:02:55)
Yeah. You it'd be helpful to just know like what the um traffic engineer is proposing in terms of an update, you know to make the the call on whether or not it's a wave or not just my thinking is just that, you know, if the project had been built it would have been built.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:54 - 2:02:56)
been built based on that.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:56 - 2:03:06)
So if we're just making updates based on new data, then just talking about it right now, that seems okay to me. But yeah, it'd be helpful to know what exactly they're proposing uh

[Speaker 4] (2:03:06 - 2:03:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:03:06 - 2:03:07)
in terms of a supplement.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:09 - 2:03:15)
Any other waivers that you we talked about parking any other application waivers that you would request?

[Speaker 1] (2:03:18 - 2:03:19)
I would suggest the landscape

[Speaker 3] (2:03:19 - 2:03:20)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:03:20 - 2:03:20)
plan

[Speaker 3] (2:03:20 - 2:03:20)
it for

[Speaker 1] (2:03:22 - 2:03:36)
You know, when you get to a p a a formal landscape plan we have a approved tree list from our colleagues on a tree committee um looking at that for g um species uh for new plantings would would I would s heavily suggest.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:42 - 2:03:49)
Chris, that any other things that you think would be helpful for the applicant to know or for the board to weigh in on here?

[Speaker 5] (2:03:55 - 2:03:59)
There's nothing additional that I can think of at this time.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:59 - 2:04:04)
I will also defer to Marcy, who's on this call virtually, if she has anything to add.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:12 - 2:04:14)
Thank you, Krista, and good evening,

[Speaker 6] (2:04:14 - 2:04:14)
board.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:14 - 2:04:14)
No,

[Speaker 6] (2:04:15 - 2:04:16)
I don't have any further comments. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:17 - 2:04:18)
Thank you, Marcy.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:22 - 2:04:26)
Is there anything else? Any other feedback from the board for these guys?

[Speaker 1] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
Any other b sorry.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:33 - 2:04:37)
I was just going to say just s this was just basically to just get some thoughts on how we're

[Speaker 1] (2:04:37 - 2:04:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:37 - 2:04:40)
feeling about this initial proposal and then

[Speaker 1] (2:04:40 - 2:04:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:40 - 2:04:43)
just follow up the formal process from there.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:43 - 2:04:45)
Once it is formally submitted,

[Speaker 3] (2:04:45 - 2:04:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:45 - 2:04:46)
then the okay. formal process will begin.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:46 - 2:04:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:47 - 2:04:52)
Yeah, we've been, I've, we, I'm working on scheduling a similar meeting with, with Marblehead in the

[Speaker 1] (2:04:52 - 2:04:53)
Good.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:53 - 2:04:55)
coming weeks and then after that we're going to be

[Speaker 2] (2:04:56 - 2:05:00)
Full steam ahead on working on revisions and preparing a formal application.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:04)
Great. And I know I see at least two,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:04 - 2:05:12)
if not three of our colleagues from Marblehead online here, so I know they're probably eagerly awaiting a presentation as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:12 - 2:05:15)
What, from a timeline perspective,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:15 - 2:05:21)
what would your outlook be in terms of if you make some revisions this evening and go to a formal application,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:21 - 2:05:23)
what are you thinking for a terms of timeline?

[Speaker 1] (2:05:24 - 2:05:28)
And that would be helpful for us so we can plan our agendas accordingly. I

[Speaker 1] (2:05:29 - 2:05:38)
like to tell most applicants I hate having applicants be at more meetings than they need to be just for the sake of having meetings. So I want to make sure we devote the appropriate amount of agenda space.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:39 - 2:05:45)
Yeah, it's it's subject to when we are able to go sit in front of Marblehead,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:45 - 2:05:46)
but following that,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:47 - 2:05:47)
I would assume.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:48 - 2:05:52)
Eight to twelve weeks after that meeting we would be back in front of you.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:52 - 2:05:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:54 - 2:05:57)
And permitting through Marblehead happened concurrently with that's Swampscott.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:57 - 2:05:57)
our intent.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:58 - 2:05:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:58 - 2:05:58)
That's our intent.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:58 - 2:06:04)
Got it. And do you have to have any conversations with the City of Salem for the tiny little sliver and Just okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:04 - 2:06:06)
DPW conversations for the curb access.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:06 - 2:06:06)
cuts?

[Speaker 2] (2:06:06 - 2:06:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:06 - 2:06:12)
How would utilities get split up? Have you figured that out across the different jurisdictions?

[Speaker 4] (2:06:12 - 2:06:14)
We had that figured out.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:15 - 2:06:16)
Seriously,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:16 - 2:06:16)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:16 - 2:06:18)
lots of conversations about it.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:18 - 2:06:24)
I remember there was some electricity came from one, one town did the water, some sort of configuration like that.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:24 - 2:06:33)
I believe our intent will be to keep the same since there was a lot of time and effort in all towns and cities to where utilities were going,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:33 - 2:06:36)
what provider was feeding which buildings.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:36 - 2:06:38)
I don't have it all in my head,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:38 - 2:06:39)
but we're

[Speaker 1] (2:06:39 - 2:06:40)
you would mimic the same.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:40 - 2:06:43)
intending to keep it exactly how it was approved.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:44 - 2:06:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:45 - 2:06:52)
Minus the Glover house and some of the amenity buildings will need a different approach, but will be consistent with those approvals.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:53 - 2:06:56)
And in terms of the...

[Speaker 1] (2:06:57 - 2:07:00)
Glover House remaining on site intact.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:00 - 2:07:09)
Have you had any further conversations from the ones that I've been privy to with our colleagues on the Historic Commission or the town in regards to whatever legal arrangement,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:09 - 2:07:10)
protections,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:10 - 2:07:14)
whatever you guys would have to work on with them for the use of that site?

[Speaker 2] (2:07:14 - 2:07:18)
We have not since we had the big in-person meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:18 - 2:07:26)
We are likely to pick up those conversations in the coming weeks, hopefully with access to the Glover and pricing and designing.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:26 - 2:07:29)
Once we hit the ground running, it would be good for them too as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:29 - 2:07:40)
Okay. What is the construction timeline from you get approval from us and Marblehead? What does timeline look like for construction for you in

[Speaker 2] (2:07:40 - 2:07:45)
Eighteen to twenty four months depending on how we phase it to build everything.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:47 - 2:07:56)
As you guys are aware these are passive house projects which take a little bit more time to design, little bit more time to permit, little bit more time to build. But

[Speaker 1] (2:07:56 - 2:07:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:56 - 2:07:58)
twenty four months is a good conservative estimate.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:58 - 2:08:01)
Okay. And is that the same timeline you would look for um

[Speaker 1] (2:08:02 - 2:08:08)
the folks working on the Glover House to kind of wrap up their envelope uh upkeep.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:08 - 2:08:14)
Yeah, the the the important thing for us is that by the time we have residents, you know, heads in beds that

[Speaker 1] (2:08:14 - 2:08:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:15 - 2:08:18)
the presentation of that building is acceptable,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:19 - 2:08:19)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:08:19 - 2:08:19)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:21 - 2:08:32)
Exactly what the ground lease ends up saying for acceptable is still to be discussed, but if it's just the envelope complete and they're doing work on the inside to get it ready to open for public use, that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:32 - 2:08:35)
As long as our residents aren't looking out their window at,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
Active

[Speaker 2] (2:08:35 - 2:08:36)
you know,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
construction

[Speaker 2] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
existing

[Speaker 1] (2:08:36 - 2:08:36)
activity.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:36 - 2:08:38)
condition or active construction. Yep. Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:38 - 2:08:40)
I understand. I

[Speaker 1] (2:08:42 - 2:08:49)
think that's all the questions and feedback that I have. Is there anything that we did not answer for you that would be helpful?

[Speaker 2] (2:08:50 - 2:08:55)
Um I don't think so. I think this that was extremely helpful. Feedback was great.

[Speaker 3] (2:08:55 - 2:08:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:56 - 2:08:59)
I would leave you with this, if you can find

[Speaker 2] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:09:09 - 2:09:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:11 - 2:09:11)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (2:09:11 - 2:09:11)
thank you all.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:11 - 2:09:12)
you very much.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:12 - 2:09:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30)
Thanks for coming.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:33 - 2:09:38)
Do you think we've got the most of the office you can prepare me at all? Or did you say that again?

[Speaker 4] (2:09:38 - 2:09:40)
Does the Global House itself need to be permitted at all from us?

[Speaker 5] (2:09:42 - 2:09:42)
We built it.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:42 - 2:09:44)
I think it'll be the flower.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:44 - 2:09:45)
Three windows.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:45 - 2:09:45)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:45 - 2:09:46)
What's that?

[Speaker 5] (2:09:46 - 2:09:47)
It'll be built. The clover will be built.

[Speaker 7] (2:09:47 - 2:09:48)
The examples?

[Speaker 6] (2:09:48 - 2:09:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:49 - 2:09:50)
The restoration

[Speaker 7] (2:09:50 - 2:09:50)
Like

[Speaker 5] (2:09:50 - 2:09:50)
of the clover.

[Speaker 7] (2:09:50 - 2:09:50)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:09:51 - 2:09:51)
This

[Speaker 1] (2:09:51 - 2:09:51)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:51 - 2:09:51)
is a it's

[Speaker 1] (2:09:51 - 2:09:52)
it will be.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:52 - 2:09:53)
a huge demolition plan.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:53 - 2:09:57)
It would probably be a condition of the site plan.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:57 - 2:10:03)
to have the cover on site. So any deviation from that requires an update to the site plans.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:03 - 2:10:04)
Good to see you, my friend.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:04 - 2:10:07)
I'm waiting for your bids for all of the services and for the

[Speaker 5] (2:10:08 - 2:10:12)
It's it's not a gift. It's a it's

[Speaker 4] (2:10:12 - 2:10:12)
She did that at a a brother.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:12 - 2:10:13)
service.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:13 - 2:10:16)
Did you make it right here? I thought that was where you get it. Give me a reason.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:16 - 2:10:18)
Every time I've drawn it's a thing.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:18 - 2:10:18)
Can you repeat the paper to me?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:19 - 2:10:20)
Exciting times.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:20 - 2:10:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:21 - 2:10:23)
It would symbolize also running.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:25 - 2:10:26)
So you're stepping down

[Speaker 1] (2:10:26 - 2:10:26)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:10:26 - 2:10:29)
the planet? Only if elected?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:30 - 2:10:32)
Now I'm on the ballot. I would be up for re-election.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:32 - 2:10:33)
You would be up for re-election, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:33 - 2:10:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:34 - 2:10:35)
If you would turn your papers in.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:37 - 2:10:40)
So if I was elected I couldn't If I was elected to both there'd be a vacancy.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:40 - 2:10:43)
So there's a vacancy that will be a write-in?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:46 - 2:10:47)
Uh it looks that way.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:47 - 2:10:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:48 - 2:10:48)
It's the right

[Speaker 5] (2:10:48 - 2:10:49)
we'll need to work on that.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:49 - 2:10:49)
speech.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:50 - 2:10:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:50 - 2:10:52)
You guys got a short window to

[Speaker 1] (2:10:52 - 2:10:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:52 - 2:10:55)
to let somebody know if you need it for And you know. it's too late to

[Speaker 1] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55)
be on.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:56 - 2:10:58)
It's too late to both papers, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:58 - 2:11:01)
'Cause I found out yesterday, thank you very much. You have to be right in time.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:02 - 2:11:04)
Has to be a write-in. You didn't you didn't tell us you were going to do this.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:05 - 2:11:07)
Um what I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:11:07 - 2:11:08)
Go get me in hot water on that one.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:08 - 2:11:10)
yeah, I was I was yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:11 - 2:11:12)
She's probably watching at home cursing

[Speaker 4] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
I was

[Speaker 1] (2:11:12 - 2:11:13)
us right

[Speaker 4] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
gonna say,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
now.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:13 - 2:11:15)
be careful, right? Now aren't we still on, we're still

[Speaker 1] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
live?

[Speaker 1] (2:11:15 - 2:11:16)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
we still

[Speaker 8] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
have a

[Speaker 8] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:16 - 2:11:18)
few other things to go through. Thanks Cat.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:18 - 2:11:24)
Yes, that's good. If you have suggestions for write-ins, let us... reach out to me.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:24 - 2:11:26)
You shouldn't use me as an excuse.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:27 - 2:11:28)
I clearly was not.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:28 - 2:11:30)
To be walking, I think of you as a thoughtful resident.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:32 - 2:11:33)
Thank you. That's nice

[Speaker 4] (2:11:33 - 2:11:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
of you to say

[Speaker 1] (2:11:34 - 2:11:36)
That's the nicest thing anybody's ever said about him.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:36 - 2:11:38)
No, I mean that's what I'm asking.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:39 - 2:11:43)
That's from the standpoint of you just think about it. And

[Speaker 5] (2:11:43 - 2:11:44)
Did I get somebody to answer you?

[Speaker 4] (2:11:47 - 2:11:47)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:47 - 2:11:47)
For authority.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:48 - 2:11:49)
Can campaign after our meeting's done.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:50 - 2:11:51)
No, see you later, Ken.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:51 - 2:11:52)
Thanks,

[Speaker 9] (2:11:52 - 2:11:52)
Yeah. Thank

[Speaker 1] (2:11:52 - 2:11:52)
Ken.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:52 - 2:11:53)
you.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:55 - 2:11:55)
Okay, so

[Speaker 1] (2:11:55 - 2:11:55)
Press

[Speaker 9] (2:11:55 - 2:11:56)
moving

[Speaker 1] (2:11:56 - 2:11:56)
and

[Speaker 9] (2:11:56 - 2:11:56)
on

[Speaker 1] (2:11:56 - 2:11:56)
security.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:56 - 2:11:57)
to the next agenda item,

[Speaker 9] (2:11:57 - 2:12:01)
I felt like we all needed a little break there.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:01 - 2:12:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:01 - 2:12:02)
I know.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:04 - 2:12:07)
We have a few items to discuss

[Speaker 5] (2:12:07 - 2:12:07)
Gracias.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:07 - 2:12:11)
about potential changes to the Swan Scout zoning bylaw.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:11 - 2:12:16)
This is the last planning board meeting before the warrant needs to be submitted,

[Speaker 9] (2:12:16 - 2:12:23)
so we do have language for administrative site plan special permit review.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:23 - 2:12:27)
I know this isn't the first time the board has seen this.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:27 - 2:12:43)
Um and there wasn't much comment at last week's special meeting, um so just hoping to get final thoughts on this proposed language from the board um to see if there are any potential changes before submitting for the warrant for town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:46 - 2:12:54)
Last week we did have a fair bit of conversation on this. I believe at the last meeting the three of us were.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:55 - 2:12:56)
um

[Speaker 1] (2:12:57 - 2:12:59)
supportive of sending this to the select board for inclusion in the warrant.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:02 - 2:13:04)
Yeah, um I know

[Speaker 9] (2:13:05 - 2:13:10)
a few of you weren't at the meeting last time, so if you have any thoughts um

[Speaker 1] (2:13:10 - 2:13:15)
Could you scroll down just a little bit so we can see more of the bulk of the amendment?

[Speaker 9] (2:13:16 - 2:13:17)
I'll zoom out too.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:26 - 2:13:26)
Shall

[Speaker 5] (2:13:26 - 2:13:26)
Can

[Speaker 1] (2:13:26 - 2:13:26)
we?

[Speaker 5] (2:13:26 - 2:13:30)
I? Can you talk me through, five, four, ten to the applicability?

[Speaker 9] (2:13:34 - 2:13:35)
Yeah, absolutely.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:35 - 2:13:40)
So basically for applications that are eligible,

[Speaker 9] (2:13:40 - 2:13:47)
the planning board can choose to conduct administrative site plan special permit review.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:48 - 2:13:50)
This is something that the board

[Speaker 1] (2:13:51 - 2:13:52)
May it

[Speaker 9] (2:13:52 - 2:13:53)
Basically, may do.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:53 - 2:14:14)
If the application meets the eligibility requirements and by administrative review it would be streamlining the process so it wouldn't have to go through all of the public hearing notifications and it would make it a little simpler for applications that are not proposing.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:16 - 2:14:25)
significant changes to come back before the board and we call it administrative because it doesn't need to adhere to those public

[Speaker 5] (2:14:25 - 2:14:25)
Public hearing.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:25 - 2:14:27)
hearing notification requirements.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:28 - 2:14:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:29 - 2:14:29)
Logic.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:29 - 2:14:32)
And this is a significant change from where we are right now?

[Speaker 5] (2:14:33 - 2:14:34)
This is all new.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
This

[Speaker 9] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
this

[Speaker 5] (2:14:34 - 2:14:35)
is is all new.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:35 - 2:14:43)
so it's all red it's all new language that isn't in in the code so basically walking you through it from start to finish.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:44 - 2:14:48)
Purpose basically explains why we're proposing this,

[Speaker 9] (2:14:49 - 2:15:00)
um which is more efficient and timely review of minor more minor modifications to site plans that have previously been approved by

[Speaker 10] (2:15:00 - 2:15:00)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (2:15:00 - 2:15:00)
the board.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:00 - 2:15:00)
okay,

[Speaker 10] (2:15:01 - 2:15:02)
okay. That's a that

[Speaker 1] (2:15:02 - 2:15:02)
So

[Speaker 10] (2:15:02 - 2:15:03)
piece I was missing in my head.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:03 - 2:15:07)
yeah, all of this is only for previously approved site plans so if we

[Speaker 10] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
If

[Speaker 10] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
if

[Speaker 1] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
we

[Speaker 10] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
there's

[Speaker 1] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
could get

[Speaker 10] (2:15:08 - 2:15:09)
a that change

[Speaker 1] (2:15:09 - 2:15:09)
square,

[Speaker 10] (2:15:09 - 2:15:10)
a change in

[Speaker 1] (2:15:10 - 2:15:20)
tonight if w um we approve 68 Pier in a Lane for the A_D_U_ if they came back tomorrow and said something changed, we want the building to be one foot shorter,

[Speaker 10] (2:15:21 - 2:15:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:21 - 2:15:23)
we would have to reissue a new public hearing,

[Speaker 10] (2:15:23 - 2:15:23)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:23 - 2:15:26)
go to the p go to the papers, they would have to spend five hundred dollars.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:26 - 2:15:27)
And that's where the sole discretion comes in.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:27 - 2:15:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:27 - 2:15:28)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:28 - 2:15:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:28 - 2:15:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:28 - 2:15:33)
But for big produ that's where the may is to give us the leeway if it's a huge project and it's technically

[Speaker 10] (2:15:33 - 2:15:34)
We're adding

[Speaker 1] (2:15:34 - 2:15:34)
not eligible.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:34 - 2:15:35)
a floor.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:35 - 2:15:42)
Right, still eligible, but we feel it's despite that, it still deserves a public hearing. We have the authority to require

[Speaker 9] (2:15:42 - 2:15:42)
Right. And

[Speaker 1] (2:15:42 - 2:15:42)
that still.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:42 - 2:15:51)
this is where the eligibility criteria come in. The modification can't result in more than 10% increase or decrease in the building footprint.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:51 - 2:15:59)
So it can't be significant changes to what's already been approved in that sense of what's been allowed footprint wise.

[Speaker 9] (2:15:59 - 2:16:00)
You can't

[Speaker 9] (2:16:01 - 2:16:27)
have administrative site plan review for something that what they're proposing would require additional relief you know dimensional or otherwise you know if it's going to encroach into a setback that wouldn't qualify it for administrative review you can't introduce new uses things like that so it it really is hopefully a mechanism that

[Speaker 9] (2:16:28 - 2:16:37)
we can use to streamline the process when it's something that has been approved and they're proposing changes that are similar to you

[Speaker 4] (2:16:37 - 2:16:38)
No,

[Speaker 9] (2:16:38 - 2:16:40)
know what was was approved previously.

[Speaker 10] (2:16:43 - 2:16:49)
I'm a nightmare. Um the bullet points in B_ and D_ are different font size.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:50 - 2:16:51)
In B_ and

[Speaker 1] (2:16:51 - 2:16:52)
It's going to D_ be upset.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:52 - 2:16:52)
oh

[Speaker 1] (2:16:52 - 2:16:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:54 - 2:16:55)
Let's see.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:57 - 2:17:00)
This might be a word thing, but I will fig I

[Speaker 10] (2:17:00 - 2:17:00)
And

[Speaker 9] (2:17:00 - 2:17:00)
will

[Speaker 10] (2:17:00 - 2:17:00)
then try that

[Speaker 9] (2:17:00 - 2:17:01)
and keep

[Speaker 10] (2:17:01 - 2:17:01)
that was

[Speaker 9] (2:17:01 - 2:17:01)
it

[Speaker 10] (2:17:01 - 2:17:15)
my other question. Are they supposed to be offset like this, or is this based on, is that a secondary bullet for the third bullet under B_ and the second bullet under D_ 'cause if it's a if it's a

[Speaker 9] (2:17:15 - 2:17:16)
It's a secondary bullet

[Speaker 10] (2:17:16 - 2:17:19)
then usually that should be a different bullet.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:19 - 2:17:21)
um different in form.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:22 - 2:17:23)
I b

[Speaker 1] (2:17:23 - 2:17:23)
But is it,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:23 - 2:17:23)
I can

[Speaker 1] (2:17:23 - 2:17:23)
before you

[Speaker 5] (2:17:23 - 2:17:24)
use

[Speaker 1] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
do

[Speaker 5] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
this

[Speaker 1] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
that,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
as a two

[Speaker 1] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
just

[Speaker 5] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
foot easement.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:24 - 2:17:26)
match the rest of the zoning? Wouldn't

[Speaker 9] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
it would be fair

[Speaker 9] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
just going to

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
if

[Speaker 9] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
say,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:27)
you had to violate

[Speaker 9] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
Yeah, the rest

[Speaker 9] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
is this

[Speaker 5] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
of

[Speaker 9] (2:17:27 - 2:17:28)
matching the part of

[Speaker 5] (2:17:28 - 2:17:29)
zoning bylaws,

[Speaker 9] (2:17:29 - 2:17:32)
I can show you this is, I think I have the full

[Speaker 9] (2:17:33 - 2:17:37)
So I originally put these changes into the full bylaw.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:37 - 2:17:38)
So where

[Speaker 1] (2:17:38 - 2:17:39)
If the

[Speaker 9] (2:17:39 - 2:17:40)
some of this is coming from is,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:40 - 2:17:41)
system is

[Speaker 9] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:17:41 - 2:17:42)
what it is.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:42 - 2:17:49)
I will double check the formatting and everything. Sometimes Word just defaults to certain things.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:51 - 2:17:52)
Sorry,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
I didn't realize

[Speaker 1] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
like

[Speaker 9] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
that.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:52 - 2:17:53)
not sharing this, but.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:53 - 2:17:54)
That's good.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:54 - 2:17:54)
What?

[Speaker 1] (2:17:54 - 2:17:55)
Attention to detail.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:55 - 2:17:56)
That was good attention to detail.

[Speaker 10] (2:17:56 - 2:17:59)
Oh, I have to proofread all day.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:00 - 2:18:08)
And I will say if you proofread the existing zoning bylaw, there's a lot of inconsistencies. So we'll try and do it best we can.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:08 - 2:18:20)
Yeah, I think that the reason that the reason that it concerns me that the thing isn't changing is because of the use of the semicolon, because there's no other indicator that it's not a typo.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:23 - 2:18:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:24 - 2:18:30)
Okay, I'll go I'll go through and make sure that, you know, 'cause we have the A_B_ and C_ that the um

[Speaker 9] (2:18:33 - 2:18:37)
sub bullets are in the same format as what came before.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:38 - 2:18:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:40 - 2:18:41)
I guess my

[Speaker 10] (2:18:41 - 2:18:41)
The weird

[Speaker 5] (2:18:41 - 2:18:41)
only

[Speaker 10] (2:18:41 - 2:18:43)
part is they work both ways.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:43 - 2:18:43)
I know.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:44 - 2:18:50)
Like if you re if you read them you can read them as a bullet or a sub bullet, which is what's confusing me.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:52 - 2:18:54)
I'm just wondering if we need to say something that's

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:08)
then, you know, any subsequent application, just to make that extra clear that we're just talking about.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:11 - 2:19:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:11 - 2:19:13)
changes to approved site

[Speaker 4] (2:19:13 - 2:19:13)
To approved

[Speaker 2] (2:19:13 - 2:19:13)
plans.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:13 - 2:19:15)
ones, 'cause that's where I got lost.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:15 - 2:19:25)
Yeah, and then also just tie it back, like maybe an A_ so that we're always talking about changes to the initially approved site plan so that, you know, someone doesn't come in and

[Speaker 3] (2:19:27 - 2:19:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:19:27 - 2:19:27)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:19:27 - 2:19:29)
So under purpose maybe adding in

[Speaker 5] (2:19:29 - 2:19:39)
I would suggest board acting as special permit granting authority to approve m um minor site plan modifications.

[Speaker 5] (2:19:39 - 2:19:44)
two previously approved site plan special permits in a timely and efficient manner,

[Speaker 5] (2:19:44 - 2:19:50)
but you can adjust so it's not a huge run-on sentence,

[Speaker 5] (2:19:50 - 2:19:51)
but to that effect.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:53 - 2:19:56)
Bylaws are the birthplace of run-on sentences.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:56 - 2:19:57)
It's...

[Speaker 5] (2:19:57 - 2:19:58)
Just add a semicolon.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:59 - 2:20:02)
Okay, so I added that in here and then again

[Speaker 3] (2:20:03 - 2:20:05)
We think an A on

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
And then

[Speaker 3] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
this.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:08)
an A, I would say instead of relative to the previously approved site plan,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:08 - 2:20:11)
I would say to the initially approved site plan.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
Um

[Speaker 3] (2:20:19 - 2:20:19)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:20 - 2:20:21)
If that works for everyone.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:21 - 2:20:24)
Yeah, I think that definitely clarifies.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:25 - 2:20:26)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:26 - 2:20:26)
Ah.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:26 - 2:20:42)
Site plans run with the property so if you have a property that was built and required a site plan for construction and then a subsequent addition by a future owner that had to get it for an addition that verbiage would mean the first site plan is when you'd be modifying not the most recent one.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:43 - 2:20:45)
Well, then we could Previously. yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:45 - 2:20:46)
Instead of initially.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:50 - 2:20:55)
I guess my concern here is just that someone could come back and

[Speaker 2] (2:20:55 - 2:21:00)
get multiple changes that are under the ten percent threshold,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:00 - 2:21:01)
Oh, work their way up to

[Speaker 2] (2:21:01 - 2:21:02)
you know what I'm saying, saying.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:02 - 2:21:07)
But wouldn't wouldn't that also because the sole discretion could start covering that though.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:07 - 2:21:08)
Yeah, that's true, but I also

[Speaker 4] (2:21:08 - 2:21:08)
Because

[Speaker 2] (2:21:08 - 2:21:10)
just want to keep we won't always be here, you know, just like

[Speaker 4] (2:21:10 - 2:21:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:10 - 2:21:12)
keeping everybody honest

[Speaker 4] (2:21:12 - 2:21:13)
That's what I'm thinking.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:13 - 2:21:13)
twenty

[Speaker 4] (2:21:13 - 2:21:13)
Because

[Speaker 2] (2:21:13 - 2:21:14)
years from now.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:14 - 2:21:18)
because realistically you could easily have two or three changes that,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:18 - 2:21:19)
you know,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:19 - 2:21:20)
You discover bedrock.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:20 - 2:21:21)
you know,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:21 - 2:21:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:21 - 2:21:23)
there's so many things that can happen while under construction.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:26 - 2:21:28)
That I don't know. I think it would be

[Speaker 5] (2:21:29 - 2:21:30)
I get what we're trying to do.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:31 - 2:21:32)
I don't think initial,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:32 - 2:21:35)
I think initial opens up another problem.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:36 - 2:21:38)
But is there another way to,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:38 - 2:21:38)
at

[Speaker 4] (2:21:38 - 2:21:40)
Well previously approved

[Speaker 3] (2:21:41 - 2:21:41)
Yeah, previous.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:41 - 2:21:41)
Joseph

[Speaker 2] (2:21:41 - 2:21:42)
You

[Speaker 5] (2:21:42 - 2:21:42)
point.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:42 - 2:21:47)
could just you could say you could say relative to the initially approved site plan for which such modification is sought.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:47 - 2:21:49)
Yeah, I think that doesn't

[Speaker 6] (2:21:49 - 2:21:49)
A

[Speaker 5] (2:21:49 - 2:21:49)
work.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:49 - 2:21:51)
standing place in set plan.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:53 - 2:21:56)
Right. That way we're just talking about the site plan

[Speaker 4] (2:21:56 - 2:21:56)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:56 - 2:21:57)
that we're modifying.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:57 - 2:21:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:57 - 2:21:58)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:58 - 2:21:58)
I hear you.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:01 - 2:22:02)
That's that's it I'm

[Speaker 5] (2:22:04 - 2:22:05)
That was good call out.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:06 - 2:22:10)
But then that's sort of weird with the or lawfully existing structure.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:12 - 2:22:14)
Is there something that needs to be changed there?

[Speaker 4] (2:22:15 - 2:22:25)
The proposed modification results in no more than a ten percent increase or decrease in the building footprint measured relative to the initially approved site plan for which such modification is sought.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:26 - 2:22:31)
So it means it's not a non-conforming structure existing.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:31 - 2:22:31)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:32 - 2:22:33)
Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:34 - 2:22:36)
It just reads strange.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:36 - 2:22:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:38 - 2:22:40)
I guess why does it have to be

[Speaker 2] (2:22:41 - 2:22:45)
Are we always just talking about modifications to

[Speaker 2] (2:22:46 - 2:22:47)
a previous site plan?

[Speaker 4] (2:22:52 - 2:23:00)
or lawfully exist yeah because we wouldn't is that action the lawfully existing structure why would that be there that

[Speaker 2] (2:23:00 - 2:23:04)
That kind of makes it sound a little bit like you don't have to go through the site plan process

[Speaker 4] (2:23:04 - 2:23:05)
like you could do

[Speaker 2] (2:23:05 - 2:23:05)
in

[Speaker 4] (2:23:05 - 2:23:05)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:23:05 - 2:23:06)
the first instead place.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:06 - 2:23:07)
of the initial site

[Speaker 5] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08)
Was this your

[Speaker 5] (2:23:09 - 2:23:16)
thought in to let me pull my head together again was this your way of addressing non-conforming structures?

[Speaker 3] (2:23:16 - 2:23:17)
Yes. Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:17 - 2:23:19)
so it was basically,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:19 - 2:23:22)
it doesn't make sense as it reads anymore.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:22 - 2:23:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:23 - 2:23:29)
But it was just trying to describe if it's, you

[Speaker 5] (2:23:29 - 2:23:29)
Relative

[Speaker 3] (2:23:29 - 2:23:29)
know, I

[Speaker 5] (2:23:29 - 2:23:30)
to.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:30 - 2:23:32)
Should this be another letter to

[Speaker 3] (2:23:33 - 2:23:34)
think it's actually

[Speaker 2] (2:23:34 - 2:23:35)
address the lawfully existing structure?

[Speaker 3] (2:23:36 - 2:23:44)
Let her see the proposal does not increase any existing nonconformity or create a new nonconformity. I think that actually addresses

[Speaker 2] (2:23:44 - 2:23:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:44 - 2:23:44)
what

[Speaker 2] (2:23:44 - 2:23:44)
I think

[Speaker 3] (2:23:44 - 2:23:44)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:23:44 - 2:23:45)
so.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:45 - 2:23:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:45 - 2:23:45)
meant,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:45 - 2:23:45)
I think you're right.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:45 - 2:23:48)
what was meant by lawfully existing structure.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:48 - 2:23:50)
I think it,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:50 - 2:23:50)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:23:50 - 2:23:52)
And that clearly says it in

[Speaker 3] (2:23:52 - 2:23:53)
I think if

[Speaker 5] (2:23:53 - 2:23:53)
a more digestible way.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:54 - 2:23:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:54 - 2:23:54)
So totally.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:54 - 2:23:57)
if you are all okay with it, removing it from A,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:57 - 2:23:59)
it's addressed in C.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:15 - 2:24:16)
legally existing

[Speaker 4] (2:24:20 - 2:24:34)
is the word legal in there important enough to put it in in the proposal does not increase any existing legal nonconformity or legally existing nonconformity?

[Speaker 4] (2:24:39 - 2:24:43)
I don't know if we're using that word legally.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:43 - 2:24:45)
losing it if it's important or not because

[Speaker 4] (2:24:49 - 2:24:54)
an existing nonconformity is that automatically legal but

[Speaker 2] (2:24:55 - 2:25:02)
As long as they didn't do something like in the interim from the time period between when it first came into being and then became nonconforming.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:04 - 2:25:08)
you could have an existing nonconforming

[Speaker 4] (2:25:09 - 2:25:12)
thing that was an unpermitted addition.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:12 - 2:25:14)
That's true, but then it can't be approved.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:14 - 2:25:15)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:15 - 2:25:15)
Anyways.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:15 - 2:25:23)
But I'm just wondering if we need to put the word legally existing nonconformity in order to make it clear that an illegal

[Speaker 4] (2:25:24 - 2:25:27)
nonconforming is not something you can get.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:29 - 2:25:36)
I have never seen that verbiage used in relation to nonconforming structures in our by-law.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:37 - 2:25:38)
I'm yeah, I'm trying to

[Speaker 5] (2:25:38 - 2:25:42)
So, I hear you, I would just I would

[Speaker 2] (2:25:42 - 2:25:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:42 - 2:25:42)
suggest

[Speaker 2] (2:25:42 - 2:25:43)
Just because

[Speaker 5] (2:25:43 - 2:25:43)
we it remain

[Speaker 2] (2:25:43 - 2:25:43)
it was

[Speaker 5] (2:25:43 - 2:25:43)
consistent

[Speaker 2] (2:25:43 - 2:25:44)
in that earlier

[Speaker 5] (2:25:44 - 2:25:44)
with

[Speaker 2] (2:25:44 - 2:25:51)
Usually one. it's just like totally preexisting totally nonconform you could say preexisting, sometimes that's what they'll say, like preexisting nonconforming uses.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:53 - 2:25:59)
And I actually that's a good point, we should change that any existing nonconformity and to any pre-existing nonconformity.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:59 - 2:26:02)
I think that gets at your point, Jur. It's preexisting,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:02 - 2:26:02)
What? Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:02 - 2:26:03)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:04 - 2:26:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:05 - 2:26:12)
I remember looking twice at houses that had huge additions on them and doing the research and there were no permits on them.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:12 - 2:26:14)
And I always wondered, like,

[Speaker 5] (2:26:14 - 2:26:15)
You need a mortgage for that.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:15 - 2:26:18)
what, well, A, how do you get a mortgage forward? But B,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:18 - 2:26:20)
I didn't buy the houses.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:20 - 2:26:23)
But are you, like,

[Speaker 4] (2:26:23 - 2:26:31)
if you show up at the building department to make a change and they discover this whole thing is unpermitted and you just bought it and your house goes from like.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:32 - 2:26:38)
Twenty five hundred square feet to ten thousand or ten hou uh a thousand, you know it's like, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:38 - 2:26:40)
Yeah. Fair

[Speaker 5] (2:26:42 - 2:26:42)
question.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:44 - 2:26:45)
One I don't want in front of this board.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:45 - 2:26:48)
Yeah, well I'm tear down.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
Yeah, the

[Speaker 3] (2:26:52 - 2:26:54)
basically comes down to enforcement at that point.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:54 - 2:26:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:54 - 2:26:54)
Um

[Speaker 7] (2:26:54 - 2:26:55)
that's a nightmare.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:55 - 2:26:58)
but often if it's non-conforming um

[Speaker 3] (2:26:59 - 2:27:03)
people may also have trouble getting loans from mortgage lenders.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:04 - 2:27:04)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:04 - 2:27:12)
Um so that's just another repercussion that happens naturally um through having a non-conforming structure that wasn't permitted properly.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:14 - 2:27:21)
We had friends that their the purchase of their house was stalled for this huge amount of time because of the shed that was on the neighbor's like

[Speaker 5] (2:27:21 - 2:27:21)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:21 - 2:27:24)
corner of it was on the neighbor's yard and it was a nightmare

[Speaker 7] (2:27:26 - 2:27:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:37 - 2:27:47)
So essentially from a process perspective the board would have to vote to allow a petition to meet the criteria to affirm that a petition meets the criteria for administrative site plan review,

[Speaker 5] (2:27:47 - 2:27:50)
do the administrative site plan modification.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:52 - 2:28:00)
And then we can either approve it, deny it, deny it because it doesn't meet the qualifications, or continue it for further information.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:04 - 2:28:06)
So are we under the review procedure?

[Speaker 5] (2:28:07 - 2:28:09)
Review and then desc that was review and decision.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:10 - 2:28:11)
Where's the review and decision?

[Speaker 5] (2:28:12 - 2:28:13)
Review procedure and

[Speaker 7] (2:28:13 - 2:28:13)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (2:28:13 - 2:28:13)
then also

[Speaker 7] (2:28:13 - 2:28:13)
sorry,

[Speaker 5] (2:28:13 - 2:28:14)
cover decision.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:14 - 2:28:17)
are you just telling me what this says or are you saying that there's a change that

[Speaker 5] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
No,

[Speaker 7] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18)
needs

[Speaker 5] (2:28:18 - 2:28:21)
I'm just telling you what it says in a dozen less words.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:21 - 2:28:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:22 - 2:28:24)
Okay. This all looks good.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:27 - 2:28:35)
And Krista pulled much of this language from, I think three or four different bylaws that you had circulated from other municipalities.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:35 - 2:28:35)
Yes,

[Speaker 7] (2:28:35 - 2:28:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:36 - 2:28:38)
I had looked at.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:38 - 2:28:42)
Many different hands I can't rememb I can try and pull it

[Speaker 5] (2:28:42 - 2:28:42)
Enfield

[Speaker 3] (2:28:42 - 2:28:42)
up.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:42 - 2:28:44)
was one. Um

[Speaker 3] (2:28:44 - 2:28:46)
I looked at marble head um

[Speaker 7] (2:28:46 - 2:28:49)
I think as long as as something comes

[Speaker 2] (2:28:57 - 2:29:03)
this seems like a great a great shortcut to allow things to move smoother.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:04 - 2:29:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:05 - 2:29:14)
I mean it ensures it all still happens in a public meeting, it just eliminates the regulatory requirement of needing to spend an additional five hundred dollars to go to the line item to

[Speaker 2] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:14 - 2:29:23)
file a notice and to mail for the abutters which I mean for if you're moving your wall by a foot or something relatively insubstantial,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:23 - 2:29:23)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:23 - 2:29:30)
that additional five hundred dollars and three weeks of waiting period is non-constructive in my

[Speaker 2] (2:29:30 - 2:29:30)
opinion. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:31 - 2:29:35)
We looked at Linfield, Marblehead, Redding, and Tewkesbury

[Speaker 3] (2:29:38 - 2:29:39)
Cool.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:39 - 2:29:41)
when one putting this together.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:44 - 2:29:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:44 - 2:29:46)
Are there any motions on this?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:47 - 2:29:48)
Or further comments or questions?

[Speaker 2] (2:29:48 - 2:29:52)
I would move to approve with the comments that we already gave.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:53 - 2:29:54)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:55 - 2:29:55)
Alright.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:56 - 2:29:57)
All those in favor of motion?

[Speaker 2] (2:29:58 - 2:29:58)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:29:58 - 2:29:59)
Aye aye, alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:59 - 2:29:59)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:30:01 - 2:30:06)
So this with those pending administrative change and uh bullet formatting changes,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:06 - 2:30:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:06 - 2:30:11)
um this again uh send this over to Shannon and Nick for the select board to include in the warrant.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:11 - 2:30:12)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:14 - 2:30:15)
Do we want to fix the roof thing?

[Speaker 3] (2:30:17 - 2:30:17)
Huh.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:17 - 2:30:22)
That the contradictions in that is a mess. But

[Speaker 1] (2:30:23 - 2:30:28)
Do you have any specific suggestions for...

[Speaker 2] (2:30:29 - 2:30:31)
If you put it up in front of me,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:31 - 2:30:32)
I could make a suggestion.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:32 - 2:30:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:33 - 2:30:34)
I can't off the top of my head.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:34 - 2:30:38)
I would super cautiously caution against making,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:38 - 2:30:41)
because we have to vote and approve this tonight if it's going to be in the warrant.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:41 - 2:30:42)
So.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:43 - 2:30:44)
Let me

[Speaker 3] (2:30:44 - 2:30:44)
I would

[Speaker 2] (2:30:44 - 2:30:45)
just look at it.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:45 - 2:30:45)
I think that

[Speaker 3] (2:30:45 - 2:30:45)
cautious

[Speaker 5] (2:30:45 - 2:30:46)
that language,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
but make it

[Speaker 5] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
any changes.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:46 - 2:30:49)
let's be, let's be, in that language I think you're right. I think

[Speaker 2] (2:30:49 - 2:30:50)
It is ridiculous.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:50 - 2:30:52)
that language is ridiculous. It,

[Speaker 5] (2:30:52 - 2:30:58)
it doesn't say to me that it that the pitch has to be uniform throughout.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:59 - 2:31:07)
It's just that where there is one, it has to be at that angle and symmetrical. So rather than trying to paper

[Speaker 2] (2:31:07 - 2:31:07)
Well, it's...

[Speaker 5] (2:31:07 - 2:31:08)
together a a

[Speaker 2] (2:31:08 - 2:31:08)
It's

[Speaker 5] (2:31:08 - 2:31:09)
down meeting or

[Speaker 2] (2:31:09 - 2:31:09)
it's...

[Speaker 5] (2:31:09 - 2:31:10)
article and

[Speaker 5] (2:31:11 - 2:31:13)
Yeah, ten minutes, I I think um

[Speaker 2] (2:31:14 - 2:31:16)
Well, what I'm wondering is,

[Speaker 5] (2:31:19 - 2:31:20)
I think we could try and live with.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:20 - 2:31:25)
Angela can give you more context of this. I believe this was put together by MAPC.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:25 - 2:31:27)
That is my what I

[Speaker 2] (2:31:27 - 2:31:29)
I guess the question that I would have on this

[Speaker 2] (2:31:31 - 2:31:39)
is there is ridiculous five four three and five four one fight with each other.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:39 - 2:31:40)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:41 - 2:31:43)
A varied roof is not simple.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:44 - 2:31:48)
A varied roof is not necessarily symmetrically pitched.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:50 - 2:31:55)
And there are historic... There's a ton of stuff.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:55 - 2:31:55)
So...

[Speaker 2] (2:31:56 - 2:31:59)
The other thing is Mansard roofs and gambrel roofs,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:59 - 2:32:07)
I don't know what we're gonna call the sloped roof that is concealing the units is running through that, 'cause it's actually in violation of this.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:07 - 2:32:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:08 - 2:32:14)
And I think we what we what we could really use in this is something that

[Speaker 2] (2:32:16 - 2:32:18)
gave us

[Speaker 2] (2:32:19 - 2:32:20)
some flexibility

[Speaker 2] (2:32:21 - 2:32:30)
to to accept something reasonably and be able to defend it. This is this is terrible.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:32 - 2:32:37)
Just from the from the standpoint of like giving giving a problem on a building this size,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:38 - 2:32:42)
this is one thing for something the scale of a house.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:43 - 2:32:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:43 - 2:32:45)
But for something the scale of this,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:45 - 2:32:49)
it's it's not good just from the from a design standpoint.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:50 - 2:32:51)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:54 - 2:32:58)
I hear where you're coming from and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with it I'm just cautioning that

[Speaker 3] (2:32:59 - 2:33:01)
tonight is our last time to do it and

[Speaker 3] (2:33:02 - 2:33:05)
I have not gone through this full document in

[Speaker 2] (2:33:05 - 2:33:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:05 - 2:33:13)
many many years since 2022 probably. So I would just be wary of updating one section that may be a conflict creating or

[Speaker 3] (2:33:14 - 2:33:18)
furthering a conflict with another section having not read the whole design guidelines.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:19 - 2:33:19)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:33:19 - 2:33:19)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:33:19 - 2:33:19)
don't.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:19 - 2:33:21)
mean, Bill, were you on the board when they approved these?

[Speaker 5] (2:33:23 - 2:33:24)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:33:24 - 2:33:26)
I think it's going to take more time than tonight, Yeah, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:33:26 - 2:33:29)
I mean I'm not going for to approve a a motion to

[Speaker 7] (2:33:29 - 2:33:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:29 - 2:33:31)
I just I just we we

[Speaker 3] (2:33:31 - 2:33:31)
Not

[Speaker 7] (2:33:31 - 2:33:31)
have

[Speaker 3] (2:33:31 - 2:33:32)
invalidating

[Speaker 7] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
we have

[Speaker 3] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
where it's coming from.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:32 - 2:33:40)
no, but we have we have basically hamstrung the designers into producing bad work.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:41 - 2:33:46)
and that's that is not what a what something like this should be doing and

[Speaker 6] (2:33:46 - 2:33:48)
So did Legge and McCall meet this?

[Speaker 3] (2:33:50 - 2:33:52)
I would assume they had I would assume they had to

[Speaker 7] (2:33:53 - 2:33:54)
And I've never seen the design there.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:55 - 2:33:56)
I have no idea what that looked like.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:59 - 2:34:01)
So what we did had similar did it

[Speaker 6] (2:34:01 - 2:34:01)
not meet this?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:01 - 2:34:06)
had similar roof well did it I don't think it did have a similar roof design

[Speaker 3] (2:34:07 - 2:34:10)
I mean, they had the same pit in the middle with uh utilities and that sort of thing.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:11 - 2:34:13)
But that's in violation of this. We can't approve It it.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:13 - 2:34:14)
had It

[Speaker 6] (2:34:14 - 2:34:14)
Or we do approve

[Speaker 5] (2:34:14 - 2:34:19)
had a pitched roof all the way around, but it was broken up

[Speaker 3] (2:34:19 - 2:34:20)
W by

[Speaker 5] (2:34:20 - 2:34:20)
different

[Speaker 3] (2:34:20 - 2:34:20)
like fake

[Speaker 5] (2:34:20 - 2:34:20)
gables.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:20 - 2:34:21)
dormers.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:21 - 2:34:25)
By like fake dormers and like kind of like bay-ish windows and stuff.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:25 - 2:34:27)
Do you have a picture of it?

[Speaker 5] (2:34:27 - 2:34:30)
All I have is all I have is this one not so great rendering.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:38 - 2:34:41)
So who knows, you know, I don't even know if that stays consistent all the way around,

[Speaker 7] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
It's gone.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
but

[Speaker 5] (2:34:43 - 2:34:44)
I mean the other

[Speaker 3] (2:34:44 - 2:34:46)
It's a change, but I it's been years so.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:47 - 2:34:47)
Yeah, I mean

[Speaker 3] (2:34:52 - 2:34:56)
So what is the suggestion? Roosh taking out the words roosh shall be simple and symmetrically pitched.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:08 - 2:35:13)
I think is one of the worries that mansard roofs are prohibited?

[Speaker 7] (2:35:13 - 2:35:14)
Mansard roofs

[Speaker 1] (2:35:14 - 2:35:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:14 - 2:35:15)
are prohibited.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:15 - 2:35:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:16 - 2:35:25)
And there's the first one of my worries is the fact that the roof form should be varied with a block and then it goes into incorporating parapets.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:25 - 2:35:26)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:26 - 2:35:28)
roof shall be simple and symmetrical. A

[Speaker 1] (2:35:28 - 2:35:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:29 - 2:35:32)
parapeted sloped roof isn't simple.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:32 - 2:35:35)
Um and then but it's just it's a

[Speaker 6] (2:35:41 - 2:35:43)
It's whatever it just said, rear wheel steer symmetrically pitched.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:52 - 2:35:56)
And Krista, can you confirm that these are guidelines and not standards? Or are they standards and not guidelines?

[Speaker 1] (2:35:59 - 2:35:59)
Standards.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:00 - 2:36:01)
Sorry, standards.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:01 - 2:36:02)
M

[Speaker 3] (2:36:02 - 2:36:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:09 - 2:36:11)
Because on this scale building, this is just a

[Speaker 2] (2:36:11 - 2:36:18)
I think we just need to review these BOEs and see also what they propose and see how what they propose fits into these various standards.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:18 - 2:36:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:18 - 2:36:21)
They might be using other elements of this already.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:22 - 2:36:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:23 - 2:36:24)
So I'm sure they are. I mean they have to, that's what

[Speaker 1] (2:36:24 - 2:36:24)
they Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:24 - 2:36:25)
d

[Speaker 7] (2:36:26 - 2:36:31)
Well it just what do you p did explain what you mean by what you're saying, I'm not following it.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:31 - 2:36:34)
So any design that's on this plot of land has to meet

[Speaker 3] (2:36:35 - 2:36:36)
this, the design standards.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:36 - 2:36:36)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:39 - 2:36:49)
I guess my my point is like the roofs uh in this case and the designs they presented are exceptionally um isolated.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:50 - 2:36:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:50 - 2:36:51)
Um

[Speaker 3] (2:36:52 - 2:36:54)
What do you mean by isolated?

[Speaker 7] (2:36:56 - 2:36:57)
So um

[Speaker 3] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
What

[Speaker 7] (2:37:02 - 2:37:04)
if There is I'm having trouble visualizing I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:37:04 - 2:37:04)
it.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:04 - 2:37:05)
trying to imagine what else

[Speaker 3] (2:37:05 - 2:37:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:05 - 2:37:09)
they would be what else they would be impacting

[Speaker 7] (2:37:19 - 2:37:27)
Incorporating parapets decorative cornice treatments belt courses and window bays This doesn't have any

[Speaker 7] (2:37:30 - 2:37:33)
Comment on dormers.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:34 - 2:37:37)
Does it elsewhere in this? Could you control F?

[Speaker 1] (2:37:38 - 2:37:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:40 - 2:37:43)
Okay, hold on one second.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:51 - 2:37:51)
Prohibited.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:52 - 2:37:54)
This is under prohibited?

[Speaker 1] (2:37:54 - 2:37:55)
Oh, no,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:55 - 2:37:55)
Full

[Speaker 1] (2:37:55 - 2:37:55)
it says

[Speaker 3] (2:37:55 - 2:37:58)
shed dormers, the entire width of the building are prohibited.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:58 - 2:38:03)
Shed dormers must be at least four foot from the gable end of a building.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:04 - 2:38:11)
Okay, what if what if a roof is a hipped roof and there's no gable end?

[Speaker 7] (2:38:17 - 2:38:21)
Are there does this mean that shed dormers are not allowed on gabled roofs?

[Speaker 7] (2:38:23 - 2:38:30)
An example of the shed-dorm on a gable roof would be the project on Puritan Road, that's what the roof they're taking off is.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:30 - 2:38:31)
80? 80 Puritan?

[Speaker 3] (2:38:32 - 2:38:33)
The one that you guys are reviewing right now?

[Speaker 8] (2:38:34 - 2:38:34)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:38:34 - 2:38:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:46 - 2:38:49)
So this actually cuts into

[Speaker 1] (2:38:56 - 2:38:58)
Does anyone remember how this got in here?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:58 - 2:39:02)
Because this has to do with the Concordia, that's how they limited the building height.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:04 - 2:39:05)
As they did

[Speaker 2] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:07 - 2:39:14)
They did full width dormers and then extended an overhang at the gable.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:14 - 2:39:18)
to create a roof line that was long

[Speaker 2] (2:39:19 - 2:39:20)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:20 - 2:39:22)
longer in order to pull the height of the building down.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:22 - 2:39:23)
Interesting.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:32 - 2:39:40)
So Juliet balconies may be permitted at the discretion of the approving authority. So there's language right there.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:42 - 2:39:42)
For what?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:43 - 2:39:46)
So this this is under the design guidelines

[Speaker 2] (2:39:46 - 2:39:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:47 - 2:39:48)
Okay

[Speaker 3] (2:39:48 - 2:39:48)
The standards.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:49 - 2:39:49)
Standards.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:49 - 2:39:49)
Design standards.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:49 - 2:39:50)
Standards.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:50 - 2:39:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:50 - 2:39:56)
Juliet back balconies may be permitted at the discretion of the approving authority that

[Speaker 2] (2:39:56 - 2:39:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:56 - 2:40:07)
is basically the sentence that would go back up in the roofs for variations on peaked roofs may be permitted at the discretion of the approving authority

[Speaker 1] (2:40:08 - 2:40:08)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:40:08 - 2:40:08)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:40:08 - 2:40:12)
that way we could look at the validity of the design proposed instead

[Speaker 2] (2:40:12 - 2:40:12)
What

[Speaker 1] (2:40:12 - 2:40:12)
of

[Speaker 2] (2:40:12 - 2:40:16)
what would that allow them to do that they're not allowed to do now?

[Speaker 1] (2:40:17 - 2:40:17)
they

[Speaker 2] (2:40:17 - 2:40:17)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:40:17 - 2:40:17)
could

[Speaker 2] (2:40:17 - 2:40:18)
to help me visualise

[Speaker 1] (2:40:18 - 2:40:18)
they could

[Speaker 2] (2:40:18 - 2:40:18)
this.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:18 - 2:40:28)
actually have a parapeted flat roof that didn't have shin like what we're what we're defending is that everything has to be covered in asphalt shingles on a slope.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:28 - 2:40:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:29 - 2:40:35)
With that section of the building is not a roof it is a shingled parapet. That's

[Speaker 2] (2:40:35 - 2:40:38)
Right, it's it's a design feature not a functional roof.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:38 - 2:40:39)
So um

[Speaker 1] (2:40:40 - 2:40:42)
it could be

[Speaker 2] (2:40:45 - 2:40:49)
So let me walk through this does that mean that what is what you're getting

[Speaker 2] (2:40:50 - 2:40:56)
at that that is aesthetically increasing the height of the building for no practical use?

[Speaker 2] (2:40:56 - 2:40:58)
And drawing the height up for

[Speaker 5] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:59 - 2:41:00)
really just aesthetics.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:02 - 2:41:04)
Aesthetics that are are ir like

[Speaker 1] (2:41:06 - 2:41:13)
a a sloped roof on a five story building is is putting a hat on something.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:14 - 2:41:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:14 - 2:41:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:14 - 2:41:19)
And and the reality is it has to be taller in order to do it.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:19 - 2:41:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:20 - 2:41:39)
So we could do something that had a flat roof in the section and if we wanted some sort of decorative roof element, it could be on the ends or it could be denoting what the entry to the building is. Actually, the new ocean house.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:41 - 2:41:44)
Yeah, they had it in there on like the fourth page, I think.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:51 - 2:41:56)
Oh, so is that what you're seeing they're doing? Flat roof and then the tower tower and then the

[Speaker 1] (2:41:56 - 2:41:59)
Yeah, and you don't perceive that as a flat roofed building.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:00 - 2:42:05)
And also their tower at the end is a parapeted, the modern,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:05 - 2:42:06)
a fireproof section.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:07 - 2:42:10)
Yeah, ironically a fireproof section of the new building.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:11 - 2:42:15)
You know, that is a parapeted six or seven story.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:16 - 2:42:17)
building.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:19 - 2:42:20)
Okay. So

[Speaker 6] (2:42:22 - 2:42:23)
I'm trying to see if I'm following you.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:25 - 2:42:25)
So I think

[Speaker 6] (2:42:26 - 2:42:36)
Would you think you would just add in the roof section just like a five four five variation in roof form and symmetry maybe permitted at the discretion of the approving authority?

[Speaker 6] (2:42:40 - 2:42:43)
Or would you want to add that on to

[Speaker 6] (2:42:49 - 2:42:50)
Let me pull it up again.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:53 - 2:42:54)
Uh because it

[Speaker 6] (2:42:56 - 2:42:58)
Because we have one

[Speaker 1] (2:42:58 - 2:42:58)
Because there's

[Speaker 6] (2:42:58 - 2:43:03)
five four one through four. And do you want to add it on to one of these or

[Speaker 1] (2:43:03 - 2:43:08)
five foot uh five foot five point um

[Speaker 1] (2:43:19 - 2:43:28)
I would say, if I were to think about this, it is addressing five, one five two five uh five four one five four two five four three.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:29 - 2:43:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:41 - 2:43:43)
I think it would be five five four five.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:45 - 2:43:46)
Um

[Speaker 6] (2:43:49 - 2:43:57)
And we want to say that it's variation in roof form and symmetry

[Speaker 1] (2:43:57 - 2:43:58)
Variation

[Speaker 6] (2:44:04 - 2:44:05)
or what

[Speaker 1] (2:44:05 - 2:44:12)
Because because as I said the mansard roof thing, I think that that version that we're accepting

[Speaker 1] (2:44:13 - 2:44:17)
or that was proposed tonight, is that Mansard roof.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:17 - 2:44:20)
So we really need a way to be able to approve that.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:21 - 2:44:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:21 - 2:44:29)
But we could also then consider a parapeted flat roof that would be appropriate.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:30 - 2:44:33)
So can you put that statement across all four of those?

[Speaker 2] (2:44:34 - 2:44:36)
I think you would do five four five all

[Speaker 1] (2:44:36 - 2:44:36)
Five

[Speaker 2] (2:44:36 - 2:44:36)
design

[Speaker 1] (2:44:36 - 2:44:37)
four five,

[Speaker 2] (2:44:37 - 2:44:37)
guidance

[Speaker 1] (2:44:37 - 2:44:37)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:37 - 2:44:38)
regarding roofs

[Speaker 7] (2:44:38 - 2:44:39)
Let's do that.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:39 - 2:44:39)
maybe

[Speaker 2] (2:44:40 - 2:44:42)
with by the approval granting authority,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:42 - 2:44:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:42 - 2:44:43)
and I would suggest

[Speaker 7] (2:44:43 - 2:44:44)
And that only addresses

[Speaker 2] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
we add that uh

[Speaker 7] (2:44:44 - 2:44:45)
roofs though.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:46 - 2:44:46)
What's that?

[Speaker 7] (2:44:46 - 2:44:47)
That only addresses the roofs.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:48 - 2:44:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:48 - 2:44:49)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:49 - 2:44:50)
So now uh

[Speaker 6] (2:44:50 - 2:44:50)
So all design

[Speaker 2] (2:44:50 - 2:44:51)
I would be

[Speaker 6] (2:44:51 - 2:44:52)
guidance, is that what you said?

[Speaker 1] (2:44:52 - 2:44:56)
Yeah, and make sure that it's roof. Uh you know, variations on this

[Speaker 2] (2:44:58 - 2:44:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:58 - 2:44:58)
Um

[Speaker 7] (2:44:59 - 2:45:02)
Five four uh five four uh five point four is groups, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:45:02 - 2:45:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:02 - 2:45:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:02 - 2:45:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:03 - 2:45:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:03 - 2:45:04)
Yeah, so all

[Speaker 7] (2:45:04 - 2:45:07)
But do we need to do it for Windows now? Do we need to do it for side?

[Speaker 2] (2:45:07 - 2:45:08)
I am suggesting

[Speaker 1] (2:45:08 - 2:45:09)
I don't think I

[Speaker 2] (2:45:09 - 2:45:10)
that we we should definitely

[Speaker 1] (2:45:10 - 2:45:11)
think I

[Speaker 2] (2:45:11 - 2:45:11)
not

[Speaker 1] (2:45:11 - 2:45:11)
think

[Speaker 2] (2:45:11 - 2:45:11)
do that.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:11 - 2:45:21)
we should if we were if we were to vote on this tonight to do this and and put it in front I would say only on the groups because

[Speaker 6] (2:45:21 - 2:45:24)
Okay, so it was all design

[Speaker 6] (2:45:25 - 2:45:26)
Sorry, could you say that for me one

[Speaker 2] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
All

[Speaker 6] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
more time?

[Speaker 2] (2:45:26 - 2:45:35)
design standards, all roofed all roofed design standards may be waived by the permitting authority.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:36 - 2:45:38)
Uh I I would say variations.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:39 - 2:45:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:41 - 2:45:42)
Yeah, okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:45:42 - 2:45:47)
my my only qualm with that is if we say variations to this, to me that would still handcuff

[Speaker 8] (2:45:47 - 2:45:47)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:45:47 - 2:45:48)
a

[Speaker 8] (2:45:48 - 2:45:48)
it

[Speaker 2] (2:45:48 - 2:45:49)
man's heart and gambrel roofs.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:49 - 2:45:50)
would still pro prohibit those.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:50 - 2:45:51)
That's what you're saying.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:52 - 2:45:56)
I don't think the language of variation to me and I'm not the lawyer

[Speaker 1] (2:45:56 - 2:45:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:56 - 2:45:58)
the lawyers over here but to me that

[Speaker 2] (2:45:59 - 2:46:00)
would mean they're

[Speaker 7] (2:46:00 - 2:46:01)
Here, here, here. In

[Speaker 2] (2:46:01 - 2:46:01)
still very

[Speaker 7] (2:46:01 - 2:46:04)
the overlay district bylaw, though,

[Speaker 7] (2:46:04 - 2:46:20)
it says that the approving authority may at its discretion authorize waivers in the plan approval with respect to the dimensional and other standards set forth in this bylaw and the design standards upon a finding that such a waiver will allow the development project to achieve the density,

[Speaker 7] (2:46:20 - 2:46:23)
affordability, and or physical character.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:24 - 2:46:25)
allowable under this bylaw.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:25 - 2:46:26)
Okay, we are covered.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:26 - 2:46:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27)
Um

[Speaker 6] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27)
One.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:27 - 2:46:32)
however the approving authority may not waive any portion of the affordable housing requirements

[Speaker 2] (2:46:32 - 2:46:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:33 - 2:46:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:33 - 2:46:34)
of this bylaw.

[Speaker 7] (2:46:35 - 2:46:36)
Couldn't you have read that 15 minutes ago?

[Speaker 1] (2:46:36 - 2:46:37)
I was gonna say,

[Speaker 9] (2:46:37 - 2:46:38)
Well, it's a long bylaw,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:38 - 2:46:39)
I I already

[Speaker 9] (2:46:39 - 2:46:39)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:39 - 2:46:42)
already married a lawyer, so I would marry

[Speaker 9] (2:46:42 - 2:46:42)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:46:42 - 2:46:42)
a second

[Speaker 9] (2:46:42 - 2:46:43)
had to read

[Speaker 1] (2:46:43 - 2:46:43)
one

[Speaker 9] (2:46:43 - 2:46:43)
section

[Speaker 1] (2:46:43 - 2:46:43)
if I could

[Speaker 9] (2:46:43 - 2:46:43)
two

[Speaker 1] (2:46:43 - 2:46:43)
find one.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:43 - 2:46:45)
and then look down

[Speaker 1] (2:46:45 - 2:46:45)
That

[Speaker 9] (2:46:45 - 2:46:45)
page

[Speaker 1] (2:46:45 - 2:46:48)
is that is some beautiful work you just did there

[Speaker 7] (2:46:48 - 2:46:48)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:46:48 - 2:46:49)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:46:49 - 2:46:49)
that,

[Speaker 9] (2:46:49 - 2:46:51)
I I think that covers it, because that it it does says,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:51 - 2:46:51)
cover

[Speaker 9] (2:46:51 - 2:46:53)
it says physical character and

[Speaker 1] (2:46:53 - 2:46:54)
And that's

[Speaker 9] (2:46:54 - 2:46:54)
you know,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:54 - 2:46:54)
it right there.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:54 - 2:46:55)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:46:55 - 2:46:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:55 - 2:46:56)
I guess we what we need.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:56 - 2:47:15)
I guess I just want to make sh you know we just want to make sure it says physical character allowable under this by law, you know, I don't know if there's anything else tricky in there that has more details in the by law about what's permitted, but I think that's going towards like intensity uses and that sort of thing and not

[Speaker 9] (2:47:15 - 2:47:19)
I don't know, some other hidden design stuff in the in the by-law.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:19 - 2:47:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:47:19 - 2:47:20)
In the by-law controls.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:21 - 2:47:22)
Think, thank you, Joe.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:22 - 2:47:26)
Yeah, I think I and I I hate those words prohibited and stuff.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:26 - 2:47:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:26 - 2:47:28)
Look at the new ocean house.

[Speaker 9] (2:47:28 - 2:47:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:28 - 2:47:31)
All of us look at that and wish it was still here.

[Speaker 9] (2:47:31 - 2:47:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:31 - 2:47:32)
And

[Speaker 9] (2:47:32 - 2:47:32)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:32 - 2:47:34)
that's the biggest gambrel roof you've

[Speaker 9] (2:47:34 - 2:47:34)
ever Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:34 - 2:47:35)
seen.

[Speaker 9] (2:47:35 - 2:47:35)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:35 - 2:47:42)
You know, and it's like um and there's a huge amount of examples of gambrel roofs throughout our town.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:42 - 2:47:45)
Yeah, that our our dynamic and beautiful

[Speaker 8] (2:47:45 - 2:47:45)
There

[Speaker 1] (2:47:45 - 2:47:45)
whiteboard

[Speaker 8] (2:47:45 - 2:47:48)
there was a man started roof in the example they showed of the

[Speaker 2] (2:47:48 - 2:47:48)
You

[Speaker 8] (2:47:48 - 2:47:49)
uh various

[Speaker 7] (2:47:49 - 2:47:50)
What section of the It's bylaws?

[Speaker 10] (2:47:50 - 2:47:52)
a four, ten, eleven.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:52 - 2:47:58)
We have three minutes left in this schedule teams meeting. So um

[Speaker 1] (2:47:58 - 2:48:00)
I think we I think that was my concern

[Speaker 8] (2:48:00 - 2:48:01)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:01 - 2:48:01)
with that one.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:01 - 2:48:02)
great

[Speaker 8] (2:48:03 - 2:48:08)
If everyone else is okay with that, I have a few other things I will quickly brush through.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:09 - 2:48:21)
I sent out an email last week about the MS4 potential zoning bylaw changes that Kleinfelder is working on with our Department of Public Works.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:21 - 2:48:28)
The consultants are hoping to get maybe one or two members of the planning board on a virtual call.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:30 - 2:48:36)
I haven't heard anything from anyone. So I'm I'm hoping to see if we can get, you know, one or one or two volunteers to

[Speaker 1] (2:48:36 - 2:48:38)
What is the expertise you need on that?

[Speaker 8] (2:48:38 - 2:48:39)
Um it is

[Speaker 1] (2:48:38 - 2:48:46)
it is for it's basically green infrastructure changes so it's more like subdivision design standards um

[Speaker 3] (2:48:46 - 2:48:49)
Let me put it to you this way because I think this might cut to it.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:49 - 2:48:49)
okay

[Speaker 3] (2:48:49 - 2:48:56)
You're required to meet with members of the planning board in each of the jurisdictions according to their federal regulations so that's why they're asking for to meet with us.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:58 - 2:48:58)
we are part

[Speaker 1] (2:48:58 - 2:48:59)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:48:59 - 2:48:59)
of

[Speaker 1] (2:48:59 - 2:48:59)
know,

[Speaker 3] (2:48:59 - 2:48:59)
their meeting

[Speaker 1] (2:48:59 - 2:48:59)
as

[Speaker 3] (2:48:59 - 2:49:00)
their criteria.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:00 - 2:49:03)
part of the MS4 permit they need to meet with members of the planning board.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:03 - 2:49:07)
Okay, so it's not, we don't need to go in there with expert

[Speaker 3] (2:49:07 - 2:49:07)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:07 - 2:49:07)
knowledge.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:07 - 2:49:23)
No, no, no, they're just explaining the proposed changes which are more subdivision design standard based and there are some proposed changes throughout the zoning bylaw that are more design based with like parking requirements and things like that.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:25 - 2:49:33)
You don't have to answer now, but we're hoping to get something scheduled if any of you would consider being a part of a virtual call with

[Speaker 2] (2:49:33 - 2:49:35)
Do you know how long that would be?

[Speaker 2] (2:49:36 - 2:49:36)
Probably an hour.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:36 - 2:49:38)
Yeah. I assume it would be an hour long

[Speaker 2] (2:49:38 - 2:49:39)
If

[Speaker 1] (2:49:39 - 2:49:39)
call.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:39 - 2:49:41)
there's no one else that wants to do this.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:41 - 2:49:43)
I think they need two. Is that right?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:45 - 2:49:45)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:49:46 - 2:49:51)
they requested to. I can double-check and see if one would suffice.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:51 - 2:49:54)
Um, we just know we can't do more than two because

[Speaker 4] (2:49:54 - 2:49:55)
What's

[Speaker 1] (2:49:55 - 2:49:55)
of open

[Speaker 4] (2:49:55 - 2:49:55)
that?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:55 - 2:49:55)
meeting law.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:55 - 2:49:56)
More than two.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:56 - 2:49:57)
Yeah, more than two.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:57 - 2:49:57)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:57 - 2:49:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:58 - 2:50:00)
Okay, so I will say yes to one.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:00 - 2:50:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:01 - 2:50:02)
And Angela says yes to the other.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:02 - 2:50:04)
I was gonna say that is not.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:05 - 2:50:07)
Make sure she's signed off already before.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:08 - 2:50:12)
Uh if we're talking about just like an hour virtual call,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:12 - 2:50:13)
Yeah, that's the idea.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:14 - 2:50:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:14 - 2:50:16)
It were like a one-time thing.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:16 - 2:50:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:17 - 2:50:18)
I had to do something similar

[Speaker 2] (2:50:18 - 2:50:18)
I think

[Speaker 3] (2:50:18 - 2:50:18)
with

[Speaker 2] (2:50:18 - 2:50:18)
so.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:18 - 2:50:22)
the same consultant a couple months ago, and they were very flexible in terms of scheduling.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:22 - 2:50:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:22 - 2:50:22)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:50:23 - 2:50:24)
And they are great to work with.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:24 - 2:50:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:25 - 2:50:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:25 - 2:50:25)
So that wasn't

[Speaker 1] (2:50:26 - 2:50:33)
Okay, so we'll do that and we can, they're flexible with scheduling, so anytime and we'll make sure it's an hour.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:34 - 2:50:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:34 - 2:50:36)
And they'll just go through what they're proposing,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:36 - 2:50:38)
which are design-based.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:39 - 2:50:40)
Changes.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:40 - 2:50:45)
Do you know how far out we need how far out can we schedule this just so we can get in the calendar?

[Speaker 1] (2:50:47 - 2:50:51)
Um they're hoping to do sooner rather than later, um but

[Speaker 1] (2:50:54 - 2:50:57)
you know, we can figure it out and do all do a poll and

[Speaker 2] (2:50:57 - 2:50:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:57 - 2:50:57)
um.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:57 - 2:50:59)
just give us some times.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:59 - 2:50:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:59 - 2:51:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:00 - 2:51:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:00 - 2:51:04)
But my calendar is accessible by students so it fills

[Speaker 1] (2:51:05 - 2:51:05)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:05 - 2:51:06)
at certain times.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:07 - 2:51:12)
And then that was the last thing for changes to the zoning bylaw.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:13 - 2:51:17)
One other thing I wanted to note is that I sent this in an email earlier today.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:18 - 2:51:29)
Our consultants from MAPC for the master plan have made their draft 1.5 available for comment and we have a link to submit comments.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:29 - 2:51:31)
They ask that...

[Speaker 1] (2:51:32 - 2:51:41)
If you do have comments, once you review to submit them in the comment portal so that we can have everywhere all the comments in the same place rather than sending emails or anything like that.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:42 - 2:51:46)
So I have on the screen here, it is on the website.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:46 - 2:51:53)
I also provided the links to the draft and the comment portal in the email I sent you all today.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:54 - 2:52:00)
So that comment period will be open through March 23rd. So you don't have to.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:01 - 2:52:06)
Do it this week if you don't have time, but I will try and send a reminder um

[Speaker 4] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:06 - 2:52:07)
before the comment period closes.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:07 - 2:52:10)
There's a lot of pictures then.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:10 - 2:52:11)
A lot of pictures.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:13 - 2:52:15)
I'll comment on bullet point sizes.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:15 - 2:52:23)
I think the only other thing our our meeting last week obviously we're not going to be able to do signage for the town meeting this year.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:24 - 2:52:32)
Um, but I think we got a little more clarity after our meeting last week. So that if you guys do choose to proceed with that for a fall town meeting or

[Speaker 1] (2:52:32 - 2:52:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:33 - 2:52:40)
next year's town meeting, I think at least we got a little more fleshed out, I think what we would think would work.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:41 - 2:52:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:41 - 2:52:51)
And we should find out this month if we receive any technical assistance from the applications that we submitted to MAPC for earlier this year.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:53 - 2:52:53)
Cool.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:53 - 2:52:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:55 - 2:52:55)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:55 - 2:52:56)
Anything else from you?

[Speaker 1] (2:52:56 - 2:52:58)
That's all I have.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:58 - 2:52:59)
Thank you, Krista.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:59 - 2:53:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:02 - 2:53:03)
Anything else for the board?

[Speaker 3] (2:53:04 - 2:53:05)
Not for the good of the order?

[Speaker 3] (2:53:05 - 2:53:06)
Alright,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:06 - 2:53:07)
motions to adjourn?

[Speaker 2] (2:53:07 - 2:53:08)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:08 - 2:53:08)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:09 - 2:53:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:09 - 2:53:10)
Alright,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:10 - 2:53:10)
all those in favor,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:10 - 2:53:10)
aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:10 - 2:53:11)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
Alright,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:11 - 2:53:12)
thank you, Krista.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:12 - 2:53:13)
Thanks.