[Speaker 1] (1:20 - 1:22)
It's needing all my candy now because

[Speaker 2] (1:22 - 1:23)
Why not?

[Speaker 1] (1:23 - 1:23)
I'm out of the box.

[Speaker 2] (1:23 - 1:24)
I'm gonna save some for saving

[Speaker 3] (1:24 - 1:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:25 - 1:25)
for Jeff. I can't get rid of it.

[Speaker 3] (1:25 - 1:30)
Good evening and welcome to the March 18th select board meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:30 - 1:34)
We are being recorded. Please, if you would rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Speaker 2] (1:39 - 1:39)
Pledge allegiance

[Speaker 3] (1:39 - 1:41)
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[Speaker 3] (1:41 - 1:45)
of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation,

[Speaker 1] (1:46 - 1:47)
indivisible,

[Speaker 3] (1:47 - 1:50)
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 3] (1:54 - 1:55)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:57 - 1:59)
okay, no, you're fine.

[Speaker 3] (2:01 - 2:04)
Alrighty, we will start tonight with the town administrator's report.

[Speaker 4] (2:05 - 2:05)
Good evening,

[Speaker 4] (2:06 - 2:06)
thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:08 - 2:24)
So I just wanted to give a few updates on a few things and as usual I'll open to questions. Uh included in your packet tonight is the um one stop application for the veterans crossing project just wanted to give you the update that had been submitted. It's something that Marcy and the team worked with.

[Speaker 4] (2:26 - 2:29)
You guys. It's that one maple draft you have it open right there. Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:29 - 2:30)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:30 - 2:36)
That is submitted as part of the process to secure funding for the program.

[Speaker 4] (2:36 - 2:38)
We anticipate a good outcome.

[Speaker 4] (2:38 - 2:43)
We're hoping and optimistic and we'll keep you informed as we move forward in the funding cycle to let you know where that stands.

[Speaker 4] (2:44 - 2:55)
But again, I want to thank the folks at BBH as well as our team in economic development because they did work very closely to make sure we got that submitted on time and into this funding cycle.

[Speaker 4] (2:55 - 2:58)
I wanted to give an update on the rail trail.

[Speaker 4] (2:58 - 3:01)
I think the last time we were here, there was a question of where it would land on the tip,

[Speaker 4] (3:01 - 3:04)
and since then we had a meeting that Mr.

[Speaker 4] (3:04 - 3:09)
Grishman joined us with, with Secretary Eng and other senior staff at MassDOT as well as our delegation.

[Speaker 4] (3:11 - 3:14)
I think from our standpoint it was a very productive meeting.

[Speaker 4] (3:15 - 3:23)
They walked through sort of where we are, what role they have with the MPO, which is the Metropolitan Planning Organization that decides what goes on each five-year TIP plan.

[Speaker 4] (3:23 - 3:26)
It's an annual exercise where things come off, go on.

[Speaker 4] (3:26 - 3:29)
You can apply each fall to be added, that type of thing.

[Speaker 4] (3:30 - 3:31)
The work there,

[Speaker 4] (3:31 - 3:33)
as we described where we are,

[Speaker 4] (3:33 - 3:42)
they were very open to the idea that they would work closely with us to begin review of progress in places where maybe in the past they would have waited until we were further along,

[Speaker 4] (3:42 - 3:53)
begin review of things that have been submitted and sort of, you know, make sure the process is moving as quickly as possible within MassDOT so that the MPO can see that there is demonstrated progress.

[Speaker 4] (3:54 - 3:58)
As we move forward, we'll let you guys know where it lands and where it stands,

[Speaker 4] (3:58 - 3:59)
but as I said, it's an annual.

[Speaker 4] (3:59 - 4:12)
annual effort so if it were to come off this year's tip we would work very closely with the senator, the rep and the folks in the secretary's office to make sure we have everything in line to be able to move forward, reapply in the fall and get back on.

[Speaker 4] (4:13 - 4:14)
It was, again,

[Speaker 4] (4:14 - 4:22)
I think a very productive meeting, and I think they're very open to the idea that we have been continuing to make progress and that we were in several cases waiting for their feedback.

[Speaker 4] (4:22 - 4:27)
They also promised to take a few things sort of out of order so that we didn't have to wait until June to get the next bit of feedback.

[Speaker 4] (4:27 - 4:29)
They could start taking what we have as we go.

[Speaker 4] (4:31 - 4:32)
On the HR front,

[Speaker 4] (4:32 - 4:33)
I just want to highlight a few things as well.

[Speaker 4] (4:34 - 4:35)
We are

[Speaker 4] (4:35 - 4:42)
In search of a new assistant town accountant, we had an individual who we had anticipated joining us. She ended up going back to her previous employer.

[Speaker 4] (4:43 - 4:47)
Wish her well. We've continued the process of interviews.

[Speaker 4] (4:47 - 4:50)
We have it reposted, looking for any great candidates.

[Speaker 4] (4:51 - 4:52)
We have a big crowd here tonight.

[Speaker 4] (4:52 - 4:53)
If anyone knows someone who may be interested,

[Speaker 4] (4:54 - 4:56)
please share that the opportunity exists.

[Speaker 4] (4:56 - 4:59)
We're looking forward to getting someone on board.

[Speaker 4] (4:59 - 5:00)
In addition,

[Speaker 4] (5:00 - 5:07)
we have an identified candidate for a new customer service representative that the team has talked to,

[Speaker 4] (5:07 - 5:10)
and I need to review finally so that we can move forward in that.

[Speaker 4] (5:09 - 5:12)
In that process we're looking forward to adding someone down there.

[Speaker 4] (5:12 - 5:16)
On the public safety front the police department did another round of the oral board interviews.

[Speaker 4] (5:17 - 5:20)
There is one remaining vacancy as of right now and they have a number of candidates they would like to move forward.

[Speaker 4] (5:21 - 5:30)
So we'll continue to let you know where we stand on that but progress there has continued to move forward with the chief and his team making sure that we're identifying great candidates and getting them in.

[Speaker 4] (5:30 - 5:56)
and then just quick note on bargaining we have you know there's still two groups that are open and DPW whose contract is up at the end of this fiscal year we are in contact and in conversation with each of them I don't have any particular update to give other than I wanted to let you know that we are you know actively engaged and working at different points in the process from ground rules to bargaining so there will be updates coming but I just want to let you know that we are engaged in that as well

[Speaker 4] (5:57 - 5:58)
A quick update on the Hawthorne site,

[Speaker 4] (5:59 - 6:06)
the proponents have been in the site a couple of times with their trades people to understand the needs and anticipated costs around executing the plan that they have in mind.

[Speaker 4] (6:06 - 6:08)
No work has been done,

[Speaker 4] (6:08 - 6:15)
this is literally just being in there and getting a better sense and fine tuning what they think the investment would be needed to operate the way that they would like.

[Speaker 4] (6:15 - 6:16)
In addition,

[Speaker 4] (6:16 - 6:19)
I've been in contact with their attorney and the first meeting there will be this week.

[Speaker 4] (6:19 - 6:21)
And again,

[Speaker 4] (6:21 - 6:22)
we'll continue to give updates as we go.

[Speaker 4] (6:23 - 6:25)
And that's sort of where we are as of today.

[Speaker 4] (6:25 - 6:27)
On solid waste,

[Speaker 4] (6:27 - 6:36)
the RFP has been distributed to the firms that we met with in addition to other firms that had responded in neighboring communities that we didn't sit down with to try to spread that as wide as possible.

[Speaker 4] (6:36 - 6:36)
Questions,

[Speaker 4] (6:37 - 6:47)
written questions are due next week on the 25th and then there's also a sort of meet and greet opportunity that's a part of it that is on the 26th which is at Town Hall as well.

[Speaker 4] (6:47 - 6:50)
So again moving forward there hopefully we'll have more detail and more

[Speaker 4] (6:52 - 6:53)
More information for you.

[Speaker 4] (6:54 - 6:55)
On the IT front,

[Speaker 4] (6:55 - 6:59)
I just wanted to highlight that we completed our review with EOTS, which is the state IT system.

[Speaker 4] (6:59 - 7:11)
They work with municipalities and school systems with a free audit that they do to make sure that from a security standpoint and best practices around both hardware and personal identifiable information and more that we're doing everything we can.

[Speaker 4] (7:12 - 7:13)
They gave us a report.

[Speaker 4] (7:13 - 7:15)
There's a number of things that are sort of low hanging fruit.

[Speaker 4] (7:15 - 7:18)
I've already talked to Haikyuu about implementing and,

[Speaker 4] (7:18 - 7:22)
you know, we're on a path to sort of address each of those things. We were not in a horrible position.

[Speaker 4] (7:22 - 7:22)
position.

[Speaker 4] (7:22 - 7:25)
They said we're relatively good compared to other communities when they come in,

[Speaker 4] (7:25 - 7:26)
so that's great news,

[Speaker 4] (7:26 - 7:30)
but there were definitely opportunities for improvement and we've begun that process.

[Speaker 4] (7:31 - 7:31)
Finally,

[Speaker 4] (7:32 - 7:36)
you know, the one piece that I just want to highlight, I know we'll be talking about the budget in greater detail later.

[Speaker 4] (7:37 - 7:51)
With the idea of regionalization in mind, I just want to highlight over the last couple of weeks I've had discussions with both the Nahant Town Administrator and Mayor Nicholson about any opportunities both on things that have worked well and, you know, things that we might be able to do in the future. Nothing specific,

[Speaker 4] (7:51 - 7:59)
but I figured as part of the report it's important for you all to know that we're looking for those intergovernmental opportunities to regionalize where we can and where it makes financial sense for both sides.

[Speaker 4] (7:59 - 8:02)
So that is the end of my report for this evening.

[Speaker 3] (8:03 - 8:05)
Thank you. Any questions or comments from the board?

[Speaker 5] (8:07 - 8:09)
If the Hawthorne we have 30 days, right?

[Speaker 4] (8:09 - 8:10)
Correct.

[Speaker 5] (8:10 - 8:11)
We're on day what?

[Speaker 4] (8:13 - 8:15)
I want to say like 13.

[Speaker 4] (8:18 - 8:20)
I'll get you the exact number. But

[Speaker 5] (8:20 - 8:20)
Yeah, good.

[Speaker 1] (8:21 - 8:22)
Yeah, we voted on it at the last

[Speaker 4] (8:22 - 8:22)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (8:22 - 8:22)
meeting.

[Speaker 4] (8:22 - 8:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (8:23 - 8:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (8:24 - 8:24)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (8:24 - 8:24)
Time.

[Speaker 3] (8:24 - 8:28)
we've reached out to council and they've only recently replied.

[Speaker 4] (8:28 - 8:29)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (8:29 - 8:30)
We had been on site with them.

[Speaker 4] (8:30 - 8:37)
The week after you all awarded that, mentioned it in person, reached out on the 10th, reached out again on the 17th.

[Speaker 4] (8:41 - 8:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (8:42 - 8:42)
Something additional?

[Speaker 1] (8:43 - 8:48)
Um when you're talking to communities, can you um have conversations with Salem?

[Speaker 4] (8:49 - 8:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (8:51 - 8:52)
That'd be great. And

[Speaker 5] (8:52 - 8:52)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (8:52 - 8:55)
on the on the tip

[Speaker 1] (8:56 - 8:59)
When did you say that we were gonna get n no more about it?

[Speaker 4] (8:59 - 9:02)
I think their next meeting is tomorrow or Friday?

[Speaker 1] (9:02 - 9:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (9:02 - 9:04)
I believe they will be voting then.

[Speaker 1] (9:04 - 9:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (9:04 - 9:22)
But we also believe that the day before we last had a select board meeting, we thought that was going to be the day that they w it was shown and struck through. Um so they may or may not be voting on it tomorrow. I think the idea is they'll be voting on the full plan tomorrow. The question is whether or not an amendm amendment will be made that will make sure that we stay on it for this five-year cycle.

[Speaker 4] (9:22 - 9:26)
Otherwise it would be that we're sort of applying and looking to get back on starting for the

[Speaker 4] (9:26 - 9:29)
For the state of the twenty seven to thirty one cycle, the twenty eight to thirty two cycle.

[Speaker 1] (9:30 - 9:34)
So we need to have all so with that money that money covers construction.

[Speaker 4] (9:34 - 9:35)
Correct.

[Speaker 5] (9:35 - 9:35)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (9:35 - 9:36)
Design

[Speaker 1] (9:36 - 9:37)
The and construction.

[Speaker 4] (9:37 - 9:38)
We have design money right now.

[Speaker 3] (9:38 - 9:39)
We do.

[Speaker 1] (9:39 - 9:39)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (9:39 - 9:39)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (9:39 - 9:39)
And then

[Speaker 4] (9:39 - 9:40)
Then that sorry.

[Speaker 1] (9:40 - 9:44)
what about money for the taking of land?

[Speaker 4] (9:46 - 9:53)
So we have money that was authorised at town meeting which should conceivably cover both design and necessary takings.

[Speaker 6] (9:54 - 9:55)
It is a question.

[Speaker 1] (9:55 - 9:59)
I think you might wanna look at might wanna look at that. Just have a have a good plan on how

[Speaker 1] (9:59 - 9:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (9:59 - 10:00)
good plan on how that's gonna be handled.

[Speaker 1] (10:00 - 10:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (10:02 - 10:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (10:06 - 10:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (10:08 - 10:31)
We'll move on to public comments. Um public comment will be three minutes. The m small microphone at the edge of the first table is the microphone tonight because standing microphones are not back yet. Uh Joe is going to make a public comment and therefore will demonstrate the proper way to use said microphone. Joe please state your name and your address, and we can start public comment.

[Speaker 2] (10:31 - 10:31)
Oh

[Speaker 4] (10:31 - 10:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (10:35 - 10:39)
My name is Joe Gillette, 148 Elmwood Road, Precinct 3. I wear a lot of hats.

[Speaker 5] (10:41 - 10:50)
One of the funner hats is the organizer of the Blue Big Band and our spring concert is coming up on April 12th. The Blue Big Band is not the Big Blue Band,

[Speaker 5] (10:50 - 10:52)
it's the Blue Big Band, so it's adults.

[Speaker 5] (10:53 - 10:55)
There are some high school students in it.

[Speaker 5] (10:55 - 11:20)
Um, we primarily play Duke Ellington. This is uh a really fantastic piece. We've grown to about twenty members now, which really is amazing to me, so the sound is fantastic. So if you're into jazz, you're into Duke Ellington or you're curious about it, uh come check it out. Sunday, April twelfth, two p.m. in the Swann's Cut Auditorium. It's ten dollars, it's free for youth and seniors. We are a programme of the Swann's Cut Senior Centre.

[Speaker 5] (11:20 - 11:24)
Um they're awesome uh people that um be collaborating with.

[Speaker 5] (11:24 - 11:27)
And we've also received a grant from the Swanscott Cultural Council this year,

[Speaker 5] (11:27 - 11:28)
which is super exciting.

[Speaker 5] (11:28 - 11:30)
So we're supported by them.

[Speaker 5] (11:30 - 11:32)
So I have cards in the back.

[Speaker 5] (11:32 - 11:37)
Please take a card, pass it to a neighbor or a friend, and we hope to see you there. It's going to be an awesome show.

[Speaker 5] (11:37 - 11:37)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (11:37 - 11:38)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (11:49 - 11:50)
I don't need to push the button.

[Speaker 4] (11:50 - 11:50)
Please

[Speaker 6] (11:50 - 11:50)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (11:50 - 11:50)
don't

[Speaker 6] (11:50 - 11:50)
great.

[Speaker 4] (11:50 - 11:52)
push the button. That will turn you off.

[Speaker 6] (11:52 - 11:53)
Good evening,

[Speaker 6] (11:53 - 11:54)
members of the Select Board.

[Speaker 6] (11:54 - 11:55)
My name is Christina Colella,

[Speaker 6] (11:55 - 11:57)
31 Rock Ave,

[Speaker 6] (11:57 - 12:00)
and I'm here representing the Swampscott High Track Boosters.

[Speaker 6] (12:00 - 12:07)
I am here because our track at Jackson Park has officially surpassed its breaking point and due to its deteriorated condition,

[Speaker 6] (12:08 - 12:14)
We have been unable to host meets in over a year and will not be able to host them until the track is replaced.

[Speaker 6] (12:15 - 12:17)
As the Finance Committee recently discussed,

[Speaker 6] (12:17 - 12:22)
this $1 million replacement is no longer a future project. It is a current necessity.

[Speaker 6] (12:22 - 12:26)
We are asking for your full support to move this forward for several reasons.

[Speaker 6] (12:27 - 12:27)
First,

[Speaker 6] (12:27 - 12:29)
this isn't just a school issue.

[Speaker 6] (12:29 - 12:31)
Jackson Park, including the track,

[Speaker 6] (12:31 - 12:33)
is a multi-use community space.

[Speaker 6] (12:33 - 12:37)
The track is regularly used for track and field practice for the middle and high

[Speaker 6] (12:37 - 12:38)
and high school teams,

[Speaker 6] (12:38 - 12:40)
which are around 200 athletes,

[Speaker 6] (12:40 - 12:42)
for residents to walk, run,

[Speaker 6] (12:42 - 12:50)
as well as youth sports teams using the field for practice. The concern I bring today is the same as what was raised by the Capital Improvement Committee.

[Speaker 6] (12:50 - 12:55)
We have tree roots causing dangerous uplift.

[Speaker 6] (12:55 - 13:02)
This makes the track a literal minefield of tripping hazards for everyone, from a high school sprinter to a senior citizen out for a morning walk.

[Speaker 6] (13:03 - 13:11)
We are essentially holding our breath every day, hoping a student or neighbor doesn't catch an edge on a root-damaged lane and suffer a preventable serious injury.

[Speaker 6] (13:12 - 13:13)
Second,

[Speaker 6] (13:13 - 13:18)
at this point we are looking at multiple classes of students who may never have a single home meet.

[Speaker 6] (13:18 - 13:21)
Our track athletes don't get a senior night at home.

[Speaker 6] (13:21 - 13:25)
They don't get to see their banners displayed at their own field like our other sports.

[Speaker 6] (13:25 - 13:30)
They are homeless athletes forced to travel for every single competition,

[Speaker 6] (13:30 - 13:33)
which only increases our town's travel costs.

[Speaker 6] (13:33 - 13:35)
Third is the financial aspect.

[Speaker 6] (13:35 - 13:37)
Between our middle and high school programs,

[Speaker 6] (13:37 - 13:43)
track and field brings in approximately $75,000 annually in athletic fees just outdoors.

[Speaker 6] (13:44 - 13:47)
Please note these are my own estimates not provided to me directly.

[Speaker 6] (13:47 - 13:56)
Our families including myself with a middle school and high school track athlete are paying for a premium experience yet our children are being denied a safe place to compete.

[Speaker 6] (13:56 - 14:07)
Furthermore the boosters recently invested after years of fundraising in an $18,000 state-of-the-art timing system that is currently sitting in a box because we have no finish line to use it on.

[Speaker 6] (14:08 - 14:08)
We have the gear,

[Speaker 6] (14:09 - 14:10)
we just need the ground.

[Speaker 6] (14:10 - 14:10)
Finally,

[Speaker 6] (14:11 - 14:14)
I want to speak to what happens next when we do replace the track.

[Speaker 6] (14:14 - 14:22)
Before doing so, I want to express gratitude for the $35,000 in state funding secured by Representative Armini and Senator Creighton. However,

[Speaker 6] (14:22 - 14:24)
we must be better stewards of this asset.

[Speaker 6] (14:25 - 14:34)
Over the years, many have seen misuse of the old track. Things like bikes and dogs on the track can speed up the process of ruining the surface and would accelerate the...

[Speaker 6] (14:34 - 14:36)
deterioration of the new one in the future.

[Speaker 6] (14:36 - 14:42)
We need a clear maintenance plan and rules of use so that when we spend this one million dollars it lasts for decades.

[Speaker 6] (14:42 - 14:48)
We shouldn't let possible past maintenance gaps prevent us from providing a safe environment for today's residents.

[Speaker 6] (14:48 - 14:50)
We aren't just asking for a slab of rubber,

[Speaker 6] (14:50 - 14:57)
we are asking you to mitigate a known safety hazard and give our kids a place to feel the pride of representing their hometown.

[Speaker 6] (14:57 - 15:00)
Let's get them off the buses and back onto our safe.

[Speaker 6] (15:00 - 15:02)
Home track.

[Speaker 6] (15:02 - 15:03)
Thank you for your time

[Speaker 7] (15:12 - 15:13)
I don't press the button.

[Speaker 4] (15:13 - 15:16)
You do not press the button. Just speak your name and your address.

[Speaker 7] (15:17 - 15:20)
Hi, my name is Andrew Nicola of 31 Rock Ave.

[Speaker 7] (15:22 - 15:29)
I'm here speaking about the track as an athlete with a few fellow athletes as well.

[Speaker 7] (15:29 - 15:30)
Uh,

[Speaker 7] (15:30 - 15:33)
most of you already know me, but you, if you don't, uh,

[Speaker 7] (15:33 - 15:36)
I am a junior at Swampscott High School and I've been running track since middle school.

[Speaker 7] (15:37 - 15:37)
Uh,

[Speaker 7] (15:37 - 15:40)
I know the boosters shared the numbers already,

[Speaker 7] (15:40 - 15:47)
but we want to acknowledge our experiences as athletes training there each day.

[Speaker 7] (15:48 - 15:53)
I understand the cracks in the roots are just maintenance items that seem to be listed,

[Speaker 7] (15:53 - 15:58)
but to us they are obstacles that we have to dodge and...

[Speaker 7] (15:58 - 16:00)
Especially when training,

[Speaker 7] (16:01 - 16:03)
despite not even having the meats,

[Speaker 7] (16:03 - 16:08)
we have to be very careful of the roots because they can be preventable injuries,

[Speaker 7] (16:08 - 16:16)
but the roots and the cracks can cause dangerous injuries like I would hope no one tears their ACL,

[Speaker 7] (16:16 - 16:17)
but it is possible.

[Speaker 7] (16:19 - 16:21)
Then, like the booster said already,

[Speaker 7] (16:21 - 16:26)
we have no experience of senior night currently for the outdoor track,

[Speaker 7] (16:26 - 16:35)
and I think that would be beneficial. Like, Simon is a senior and said that he won't be able to have his senior night this year.

[Speaker 7] (16:35 - 16:39)
We definitely think that it is a worthwhile investment,

[Speaker 7] (16:39 - 16:44)
and we think that like...

[Speaker 7] (16:44 - 16:46)
The investment on the track,

[Speaker 7] (16:46 - 16:56)
it would benefit not only the outdoor season but also seasons like cross-country where the area around the track is used and it would help with just the overall maintenance.

[Speaker 7] (16:57 - 17:01)
And we know this is a large investment,

[Speaker 7] (17:01 - 17:10)
but as students we don't just want a new track, we want to make sure that it stays in good condition for the future classes to come.

[Speaker 7] (17:11 - 17:12)
Lincoln,

[Speaker 7] (17:12 - 17:13)
he's a freshman,

[Speaker 7] (17:14 - 17:21)
hopefully he'll be able to experience it, but we're not just asking for it as a group of teenagers who

[Speaker 7] (17:22 - 17:32)
run in circles. No, that seems like what we do. But we're asking as members of the public community you use the track and faces of a growing program.

[Speaker 7] (17:33 - 17:34)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (17:34 - 17:34)
Thank

[Speaker 7] (17:34 - 17:34)
you.

[Speaker 6] (17:34 - 17:34)
you.

[Speaker 6] (17:34 - 17:34)
Thank Good you.

[Speaker 2] (17:34 - 17:35)
job.

[Speaker 8] (17:52 - 17:54)
Good evening members of the select board.

[Speaker 8] (17:54 - 17:56)
Good evening everyone that's here today.

[Speaker 8] (17:56 - 18:06)
My name is Yuan Godfrey. I am the publisher of Swampscott Neighbors Monthly Magazine that is distributed throughout the Swampscott community.

[Speaker 8] (18:07 - 18:10)
Thank you for this moment to be here. I hope I'm doing this right.

[Speaker 8] (18:11 - 18:12)
This is my first time.

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So Swampscott Neighbors Magazine was created six years ago and it was created to bring people together.

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To share stories of the people who live here,

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each month we highlight residents,

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local organizations,

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small business,

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and everyday moments that make this community feel like home.

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What I've seen is that people respond to feeling seen.

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Families reach out to share their stories.

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Neighbors learn about each other.

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that they never knew before.

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And it's a simple magazine,

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but it's creating real connections throughout the community and that's something our community is in great need of.

[Speaker 8] (19:01 - 19:02)
The magazine is growing,

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the feedbacks are incredibly positive.

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But to keep serving residents well and to reach more families as it is currently limited,

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I'm asking for your partnership.

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I'm looking for support in opening a few doors, introductions to community organizations,

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help spread awareness that this resource exists for everyone.

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and guidance on how the magazine can align even more closely with the town's goal for connection and engagement.

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And your support matters because when people feel connected,

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everything else in a community becomes stronger.

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Communications and trust are certainly included. This magazine...

[Speaker 1] (19:53 - 20:02)
This magazine is one small tool that will help to continue build the foundation of togetherness.

[Speaker 1] (20:02 - 20:04)
I appreciate this opportunity.

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And I thank you for your consideration in this.

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I'm happy to follow up with anyone individually, collectively to explore how we can work together to keep something this beautiful continuing in the town of Swamskip. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (20:33 - 20:45)
Good evening, Emily Westhoven, thirty one Devon's Road, um select board members um I just wanted to um do a quick update on the repair cafe that we have scheduled. It's the second repair cafe that's

[Speaker 2] (20:46 - 20:50)
scheduled for um April eleventh at the Senior Centre.

[Speaker 2] (20:50 - 21:11)
Um we had one in October which was very successful but we are definitely looking for more sign-ups. It's an opportunity for reuse as a Solid Waste Advisory Committee we're not only looking at the recycling and the solid waste we're also trying to make sure that people are u reusing items they have at home. Um so there's an opportunity to bring something um that can be repaired, um

[Speaker 2] (21:12 - 21:38)
Mm has to be portable of course and they are repairs, expert repairs as we call the volunteers available um on that Saturday um April eleventh. Um there's um sewers, I mean for sewing items, um there's electronic items, small appliances that can be brought. But the most important thing is that um um residents need to make an appointment um so there's a sign up um there's a link on the town website to where we have the f

[Speaker 2] (21:38 - 21:53)
the flier posted um and also on our facebook um page and through the social media, but it's important to uh make an appointment so you can match with um the expert repairer and also receive some feedback prior to um the um repair.

[Speaker 2] (21:54 - 21:56)
So thank you.

[Speaker 3] (22:16 - 22:17)
For the record, my name is Brian Watson,

[Speaker 3] (22:18 - 22:19)
Oak Road.

[Speaker 3] (22:19 - 22:26)
Three minutes is not enough time to talk about my concerns regarding the possible lease of the Hawthorne building,

[Speaker 3] (22:26 - 22:32)
which is why I sent the board and the town administrator my letter of March 15th.

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The letter still only just outlines my thoughts,

[Speaker 3] (22:35 - 22:40)
but at least it gives the board more than I can say in three minutes.

[Speaker 3] (22:44 - 23:04)
But but quickly back to leasing issues, uh I would rather the town not accept either of the two proposals that it has received. But if the board is determined uh to rent out the building, the proposal for a centre for the performing arts contains contradictions and omissions and it raises questions that nobody has satisfactorily answered.

[Speaker 3] (23:04 - 23:11)
The proposal does not fulfil the requirements of the town's RFP. It does not describe how much the centre will spend

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What building changes will be made, what revenue from its programming the town will receive, and most importantly, it does not acknowledge that this is a temporary project.

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It states in writing,

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eleven times no less, that this is intended to be a long-term project.

[Speaker 3] (23:27 - 23:31)
Does the select board want to renew this lease in 2028?

[Speaker 3] (23:35 - 23:43)
This misalignment with the town's R_F_P_ matters. There is no story or narrative that can explain the logic behind the proposal.

[Speaker 3] (23:44 - 23:52)
At the last meeting I watched the board itself speculate about the finances, scope and nature of the proposal.

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How does anybody invest significant money into a project such as this and then walk away in June 2028?

[Speaker 3] (24:00 - 24:06)
It just doesn't make sense, and the town would be prudent not to ignore that fact.

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I am keenly aware of the financial duress this town is under,

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probably indefinitely,

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but I think that approving this proposal without answers to the puzzle that is this project would place the town in a vulnerable and disadvantaged position.

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With all kinds of exposure,

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if the select board is inclined to approve this proposal,

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the project proponents are required to give the town a financial,

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programmatic, and explanatory narrative that makes sense.

[Speaker 3] (24:41 - 24:46)
I hope that the board will give thought to the issues that I raised in my March 15th letter.

[Speaker 3] (24:46 - 24:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (25:05 - 25:06)
I'm 24 Lincoln Circle.

[Speaker 4] (25:07 - 25:20)
I have just one short comment, which is the results of the RFP for a short-term lease demonstrate why it's not in the town's financial interest to enter into one.

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The low amounts that would be generated are for the reasons indicated,

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namely how can someone justify putting investment into that asset for our short

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period.

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They can't. So what happens is the town will, through the end of the lease term,

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generate well undermarket income.

[Speaker 4] (25:46 - 25:57)
I think about the time period that you have available to you now, it would have been great if you had started back in November, but you can still start now,

[Speaker 4] (25:58 - 25:59)
put it out on RFP.

[Speaker 4] (26:00 - 26:25)
Make your decisions as to how you want the property to be used and get through a process and have something moving and in place hopefully during the first quarter of 2027 and generating market revenue for that asset by then, not waiting until June when we still won't have put in place a reasonable proposal.

[Speaker 4] (26:25 - 26:28)
It's in the strategic interest of the town as well to do this.

[Speaker 4] (26:29 - 26:32)
Think through what you really want to do with the property first.

[Speaker 4] (26:33 - 26:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (26:47 - 26:48)
Don't push the button.

[Speaker 3] (26:48 - 26:48)
Good evening.

[Speaker 3] (26:48 - 26:49)
My name is Jim Smith.

[Speaker 3] (26:49 - 26:54)
I reside at 176 Puritan Road and join my colleagues.

[Speaker 3] (26:54 - 26:57)
We all served on the reuse committee. We don't speak for the committee.

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We speak individually,

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but we sincerely have an interest in this parcel.

[Speaker 3] (27:01 - 27:04)
And I can't believe where we're going here.

[Speaker 3] (27:05 - 27:09)
Our electric group came up with a pretty creative option as a starting point,

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not any kind of a finished point.

[Speaker 3] (27:11 - 27:12)
What I've read here was...

[Speaker 5] (27:13 - 27:16)
A Swampscott Senate for the Performing Arts.

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I think what we're going to get is a bar and a band,

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lots of bands.

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I don't know how else economically the thing makes any sense, except for a bar and a bunch of bands making noise on Friday and Saturday night and they can probably make some kind of revenues there.

[Speaker 5] (27:31 - 27:34)
This building was built in 1968 thereabouts.

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Imagine what the codes were then.

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Bringing this building up to code today in 2026,

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the cost,

[Speaker 5] (27:42 - 27:44)
I have no idea. I'd be frankly,

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regrettably,

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either does anybody else.

[Speaker 5] (27:46 - 27:52)
And yet this group wants to go forward with no idea what it costs to bring this thing up to code. Plumbing, electrical,

[Speaker 5] (27:52 - 27:54)
we got a stretch code in this town.

[Speaker 5] (27:54 - 27:56)
I guess they have to meet all those things.

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Food,

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that's very intense in terms of a code.

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I have no idea.

[Speaker 5] (28:01 - 28:06)
In here it says they may put a million dollars in. They got a million dollars. They're not sure they're going to put it in.

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What are we buying here?

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As John just said,

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let's get on with it.

[Speaker 5] (28:12 - 28:14)
The building's in the wrong place.

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In 1968,

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it probably made sense to put it where it is.

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It blocks the views.

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It kills any shot for a park.

[Speaker 5] (28:20 - 28:24)
It is the exact wrong place in 2026 to have that building sit there.

[Speaker 5] (28:25 - 28:26)
Let's move on.

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Let's look for some developers.

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Let's go out to the world of architects, of urban planners,

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of thinkers,

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of creative folks and say,

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hey, we get this great parcel. And maybe...

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Two options. We may have possible two.

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Show us what you can do here.

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But it's got to be a whole lot more than a bar and a band.

[Speaker 5] (28:43 - 28:48)
So I really urge you to be very cautious with this. This does not serve our town.

[Speaker 5] (28:48 - 28:53)
We've got a $7 million oceanfront municipal snow parking lot right now.

[Speaker 5] (28:54 - 28:56)
You can't do any worse than that.

[Speaker 5] (28:56 - 29:02)
Let's go out and find what's possible and let's develop that site so the whole town can enjoy it, generate some revenue,

[Speaker 5] (29:02 - 29:08)
and really the high-end kind of stuff, not so much what Johnny Ray here is suggesting he might bring to our town.

[Speaker 5] (29:08 - 29:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (29:21 - 29:24)
I received an email for public comment, so I will read it into the record.

[Speaker 6] (29:28 - 29:29)
There's

[Speaker 2] (29:29 - 29:29)
There's one online,

[Speaker 6] (29:29 - 29:31)
oh there's also one online.

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but

[Speaker 6] (29:31 - 29:35)
Okay, I'll uh Mr Kelleher, why don't we unmute him and let him go first.

[Speaker 2] (29:43 - 29:44)
You can probably unmute him.

[Speaker 2] (29:44 - 29:44)
This guy there.

[Speaker 6] (29:45 - 29:47)
Go ahead Mr. Kelleher. Can you hear me?

[Speaker 6] (29:47 - 29:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (29:48 - 29:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (29:48 - 29:49)
All right, great. Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (29:50 - 29:50)
President.

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I just wanted to make a comment about the people that are casually strolling around,

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tearing the building down,

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knocking it down. The town has an asset,

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and taxpayers,

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we don't need just

[Speaker 3] (30:12 - 30:16)
I'm very unsure because we're making our own parcel less valuable.

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So I wish the best for the Performing Arts Center proposal,

[Speaker 3] (30:20 - 30:31)
but I think keeping the building open until a long-term plan is solved is really the only strategy that the town should make, and I'll just keep my comments brief and at that.

[Speaker 3] (30:31 - 30:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (30:35 - 30:35)
Thank you, Mr.

[Speaker 1] (30:36 - 30:36)
Kelleher.

[Speaker 1] (30:40 - 30:45)
This is coming from Judy Anderson from Marblehead Architectural Heritage.

[Speaker 1] (30:47 - 30:50)
Judy Anderson notes that beyond the farm,

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the Glover Farmhouse historic value to Swamscott and Benin Square and the housing connection to a regionality and nationally significant historic national hero,

[Speaker 1] (31:00 - 31:08)
the Glover building is actually an asset to the property and to the development which could be constructed on its former farmland.

[Speaker 1] (31:08 - 31:12)
Removing the smaller historic structure would be quite detrimental.

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to that intersection visually because the short historic structure benefits the area both visually and spatially as it helps to balance the corner by breaking up the scale and the massing of the taller surrounding structures.

[Speaker 1] (31:27 - 31:35)
Without the historic building the residential structures would be pulled forward to the corner because the development company would take,

[Speaker 1] (31:35 - 31:40)
I'm sorry, would make the tall four-story structures longer to eliminate the fifth floor on the rear building.

[Speaker 1] (31:41 - 31:42)
I am opposed.

[Speaker 1] (31:42 - 31:45)
I am not opposed to the project itself. However,

[Speaker 1] (31:45 - 31:47)
I believe that without the General Glover House,

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the proposed very tall buildings would dominate the corner detrimentally forever.

[Speaker 1] (31:52 - 31:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (31:57 - 31:57)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 4] (32:00 - 32:02)
No, I'm good. I just wanted to reread it.

[Speaker 1] (32:02 - 32:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (32:03 - 32:04)
So.

[Speaker 1] (32:04 - 32:10)
So seeing no further public comment, we will now move on to item number one under new and old business,

[Speaker 1] (32:10 - 32:13)
update and discussion from the town's election review committee.

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Good evening.

[Speaker 1] (32:16 - 32:21)
How My are you? name is Jane Spaulding. I was the vice chair of the election committee.

[Speaker 1] (32:21 - 32:23)
I'm here with my colleague.

[Speaker 1] (32:23 - 32:24)
I'll call you a colleague.

[Speaker 1] (32:25 - 32:28)
Marta Sorota, who was the chair of the election committee.

[Speaker 1] (32:29 - 32:32)
And we're here to present on our work and our recommendation.

[Speaker 1] (32:32 - 32:34)
And we're going to take turns presenting.

[Speaker 1] (32:34 - 32:44)
We have a much longer report that we've provided to all of you. We will not go through that whole report tonight as I see you have about seven other items on the agenda.

[Speaker 1] (32:44 - 32:51)
So we'll try to be short. And we're also both happy to come back at a later date if you put this on the agenda again for further discussion.

[Speaker 1] (32:52 - 32:55)
So I'm going to turn it over to Marta and we will walk through our.

[Speaker 1] (32:55 - 32:56)
our present presentation.

[Speaker 5] (32:57 - 32:58)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (33:00 - 33:00)
There we go.

[Speaker 4] (33:02 - 33:06)
As you may know, our committee was tasked with identifying ways to increase voter turnout.

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This included considering potential changes such as election timing,

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early voting options,

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and other initiatives that can make voting more accessible.

[Speaker 4] (33:15 - 33:21)
The committee met approximately every two weeks throughout 2025 to research these issues and develop

[Speaker 6] (33:21 - 33:23)
um recommendations.

[Speaker 6] (33:26 - 33:30)
Um to inform our work uh we relied on several sources of information.

[Speaker 6] (33:31 - 33:45)
This included research on voting practices, publicly available voter turnout data and so on. And the expertise and experiences of committee members. We also received information from the Assistant Town Clerk and gathered community input through a survey about barriers to voting.

[Speaker 6] (33:48 - 33:53)
And here, this slide lists the members of the Town Election Review Committee who contributed to the work.

[Speaker 6] (33:53 - 34:02)
I'd like to take a moment as well to thank all the members for their time and effort throughout the year. I now turn it over to Shane to discuss data we received throughout our research.

[Speaker 1] (34:03 - 34:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (34:04 - 34:26)
All right, so this slide is was generated by AI and you will see there's some flags at the bottom that shows my lack of skill with with this but it does highlight some of the key issues that we explored as part of this work and we drew as Marta said we drew on existing research and I'll just share a couple of data points and you'll can find more in the slide deck.

[Speaker 1] (34:31 - 34:43)
So this first slide, we examined through this work voting patterns in Swampscott, we looked at over time, we looked at data by different subgroups and in comparison to other communities.

[Speaker 1] (34:44 - 34:48)
Michael Bryson was really helpful in providing us with a lot of that information.

[Speaker 1] (34:49 - 34:57)
This chart shows turnout in local elections generally, or generally much lower than in the national presidential elections which happened in November.

[Speaker 1] (34:57 - 35:09)
So you'll see the rates are around 75% for those November presidential elections and then less than 25% and maybe sometimes much less than 25% for the local spring elections.

[Speaker 1] (35:12 - 35:16)
Another thing we examined was the voting patterns by age.

[Speaker 1] (35:16 - 35:25)
So this shows how voters under 30 have the lowest rates of turnout and that was an issue our committee addressed and we'll get to that in just a minute.

[Speaker 1] (35:28 - 35:36)
The other thing we did is we found a lot of research on voting from across the country and about voting locally,

[Speaker 1] (35:37 - 35:39)
but we wanted to see if we had missed anything.

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So we fielded a survey of residents to ask them about what they thought some of the issues were as well as to help us identify solutions.

[Speaker 1] (35:48 - 35:49)
And so this chart shows,

[Speaker 1] (35:49 - 35:52)
it was a very, we had a response rate was about 250 people,

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so it's not representative,

[Speaker 1] (35:53 - 35:57)
but we used it to try to identify some new ideas that maybe we hadn't.

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we hadn't come up with.

[Speaker 1] (35:58 - 36:08)
And so some of the things that stood out here were that some of the key issues were that people were prevented in voting because they did not have enough information about candidates or about issues,

[Speaker 1] (36:08 - 36:10)
people were too busy to vote,

[Speaker 1] (36:10 - 36:13)
they weren't aware when an election was happening,

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or they didn't feel like their vote made a difference.

[Speaker 1] (36:17 - 36:20)
For other data that we examined, you can look in our report.

[Speaker 6] (36:24 - 36:26)
Based on our research and community feedback,

[Speaker 6] (36:26 - 36:36)
the committee identified several key issues that affect voter turnout. For each issue we developed specific recommendations aimed at improving engagement and participation in town elections.

[Speaker 6] (36:38 - 36:50)
That being said, one of the key issues the committee identified was that many residents simply are not aware of town elections or do not have information about when they occur or what is on the ballot, as Shane just said.

[Speaker 6] (36:50 - 36:52)
This leads to the first issue,

[Speaker 6] (36:52 - 36:56)
this need to maximize town dissemination channels for voter outreach.

[Speaker 6] (36:57 - 37:13)
To address this, our first recommendation is that all town departments help disseminate standardised voting information. This could include reminders on department newsletters, websites and social media so residents receive consistent information across multiple town channels.

[Speaker 6] (37:14 - 37:25)
Our second recommendation is to use a code red notification system to send reminders about upcoming town elections. As you may know, code red is a town's emergency notification system that sends alerts by phone,

[Speaker 6] (37:26 - 37:26)
text,

[Speaker 6] (37:26 - 37:27)
or email to residents.

[Speaker 6] (37:28 - 37:30)
While it is typically used for urgent notices,

[Speaker 6] (37:30 - 37:37)
it could also be used to send reminders about important civic events like elections so residents are more aware of key voting dates.

[Speaker 6] (37:39 - 37:45)
The second issue the committee identified is the need for ongoing and expanded capacity to engage voters.

[Speaker 6] (37:46 - 37:51)
First, we recommended establishing a permanent election committee. During our work this past year,

[Speaker 6] (37:51 - 37:57)
we identified many ideas and issues that required continued attention beyond a single committee term.

[Speaker 6] (37:57 - 38:00)
A permanent committee could continue monitoring voter turnout trends,

[Speaker 6] (38:01 - 38:02)
evaluating election practices,

[Speaker 6] (38:02 - 38:04)
identifying barriers to representation,

[Speaker 6] (38:05 - 38:08)
and developing new initiatives to encourage civic engagement over time.

[Speaker 6] (38:09 - 38:14)
In addition, a permanent committee could serve as a consistent point of coordination between town departments,

[Speaker 6] (38:14 - 38:29)
election officials and community organizations to ensure that outreach efforts are ongoing rather than limited to a single report or initiative. Second, we recommended expanding the role of the election registrars to include more outreach and community engagement.

[Speaker 6] (38:30 - 38:37)
Election registrars are the local officials responsible for maintaining voter registration records and overseeing aspects of the election process.

[Speaker 6] (38:38 - 38:43)
Inciting their role couldn't help could help involve disturbing election information,

[Speaker 6] (38:43 - 38:45)
supporting voter education efforts,

[Speaker 6] (38:45 - 38:52)
and assisting with initiatives designed to make voting more accessible to residents. And I turned it over to Shane to discuss the rest of the recommendations.

[Speaker 1] (38:54 - 38:59)
Great. So the third issue the committee discussed was the lack of engagement among young voters.

[Speaker 1] (38:59 - 39:01)
And so as I shared earlier,

[Speaker 1] (39:01 - 39:07)
people age 18 to 24 have the lowest voter turnout of any age group in Swampscott and also in the U.S. in general.

[Speaker 1] (39:08 - 39:13)
There's also evidence of declining levels of civic engagement among young people.

[Speaker 1] (39:13 - 39:19)
The state has tried to address this through mandated civics education in the 8th and 10th grades.

[Speaker 1] (39:19 - 39:24)
And then engaging young people can help with voter turnout throughout the life course,

[Speaker 1] (39:25 - 39:27)
and I'll say a little bit more about that in a moment.

[Speaker 1] (39:27 - 39:30)
So we have three recommendations in this area.

[Speaker 1] (39:30 - 39:40)
The first was to recommend creating a youth council to promote civic engagement and have youth weigh in on key issues of importance to our town.

[Speaker 1] (39:40 - 39:44)
Other communities have created such councils, including Wakefield, Beverly,

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:44)
and

[Speaker 9] (39:44 - 39:45)
St. John's.

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:47)
Framingham, and the state of Massachusetts.

[Speaker 1] (39:47 - 39:52)
And so that's an opportunity to engage youth in town issues.

[Speaker 1] (39:52 - 39:59)
They could also help in our recommendations to expand social media outreach related to voting.

[Speaker 1] (39:59 - 40:02)
And the idea is to give real civic education,

[Speaker 1] (40:03 - 40:06)
this kind of real life civic education will impact.

[Speaker 1] (40:06 - 40:08)
youth in their later voting patterns.

[Speaker 1] (40:10 - 40:15)
The next recommendation was one that was discussed at town meeting,

[Speaker 1] (40:15 - 40:29)
and we recommend that we lower the voting age in town elections to the age of 16 when students vote with their families and when they're young.

[Speaker 1] (40:30 - 40:36)
There's evidence that increases civic engagement later in life, and there's some research on this.

[Speaker 1] (40:36 - 40:45)
We also know that young people pay taxes and some are functioning in adult roles and they're affected by local policies, especially related to education,

[Speaker 1] (40:45 - 40:48)
which is the largest portion of Swampscott's budget.

[Speaker 1] (40:48 - 40:55)
Currently, there are 335, approximately 335 16 to 17 year olds in Swampscott,

[Speaker 1] (40:55 - 41:00)
meaning that they would represent a pretty small percentage of eligible voters,

[Speaker 1] (41:00 - 41:04)
but there could be some real benefits to engaging them early in the election process.

[Speaker 1] (41:06 - 41:11)
There was some concern, I'm spending a second longer on this one because I know it was controversial.

[Speaker 1] (41:11 - 41:13)
There was some concern about cognitive,

[Speaker 1] (41:13 - 41:30)
the cognitive abilities of young people at the town meeting and there's a lot of research on this and the thing that one of the things that's required for voting is what's called cold cognition. So it's being able to make decisions in calm situations,

[Speaker 1] (41:30 - 41:34)
situations when you can process information, you can deliberate.

[Speaker 1] (41:34 - 41:36)
You can reason with facts.

[Speaker 1] (41:36 - 41:38)
These are all the things that it takes to be a voter.

[Speaker 1] (41:39 - 41:44)
The Vote 16 movement has caught on in towns in the U.S., including Massachusetts.

[Speaker 1] (41:45 - 41:51)
Statewide, the legislature hasn't passed any laws, but it's considered bills, and locally,

[Speaker 1] (41:51 - 41:53)
Brookline, Boston,

[Speaker 1] (41:53 - 41:53)
Somerville,

[Speaker 1] (41:53 - 41:54)
Concord,

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Acton,

[Speaker 1] (41:55 - 41:59)
and Northampton and Southboro have all passed related.

[Speaker 1] (42:00 - 42:01)
laws.

[Speaker 1] (42:01 - 42:08)
And I will say this would need to be brought to the state level, approved by the legislature.

[Speaker 1] (42:08 - 42:10)
So there are lots of steps,

[Speaker 1] (42:10 - 42:13)
but we wanted to put this forward to the select board.

[Speaker 1] (42:14 - 42:17)
The third recommendation in this area,

[Speaker 1] (42:17 - 42:18)
I'll just say this one briefly,

[Speaker 1] (42:18 - 42:21)
is to establish youth participatory budgeting.

[Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:27)
This is a process that where you give some amount of the town budget and let a group of people,

[Speaker 1] (42:27 - 42:35)
in this case it would be young people, go through a structured process to allocate funding for certain priorities in the town.

[Speaker 1] (42:35 - 42:37)
Other places have done this.

[Speaker 1] (42:37 - 42:38)
It could be a very small amount,

[Speaker 1] (42:38 - 42:39)
$5,000.

[Speaker 1] (42:40 - 42:41)
Other places have done this with...

[Speaker 1] (42:42 - 42:43)
The whole with the whole town,

[Speaker 1] (42:43 - 42:50)
but what we're recommending is just with a group of young people allowing young people to engage in that budgeting process.

[Speaker 1] (42:54 - 42:55)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (42:55 - 42:56)
so this is our last set

[Speaker 2] (42:56 - 42:56)
May

[Speaker 1] (42:56 - 42:56)
of recommendations.

[Speaker 2] (42:56 - 42:57)
I just ask a quick question?

[Speaker 1] (42:57 - 42:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (42:58 - 42:59)
Could you define youth for me?

[Speaker 2] (43:00 - 43:03)
How are you guys defining it in this slide?

[Speaker 2] (43:03 - 43:04)
Just so I know, is it under 30?

[Speaker 2] (43:04 - 43:07)
Are you really meaning under 18?

[Speaker 1] (43:08 - 43:12)
Yes, so we had some discussion about this. So it depends on the recommendation.

[Speaker 1] (43:12 - 43:17)
So for the voter eligibility, it would just be adding 16 and 17-year-olds.

[Speaker 1] (43:17 - 43:19)
For the council,

[Speaker 1] (43:19 - 43:24)
we proposed 14 to 22-year-olds.

[Speaker 2] (43:24 - 43:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (43:26 - 43:32)
And the rationale there was to, one, not limit it only to public school students,

[Speaker 1] (43:32 - 43:40)
so that was part of it. We wanted to engage any young resident in the town, and we know some go to school and private schools, but they're still residents of this town.

[Speaker 1] (43:40 - 43:45)
And then we also were noting that there's lack of engagement at that young voting age, too.

[Speaker 1] (43:46 - 43:53)
There are details that need to be worked out in terms of how you facilitate that and how you recruit those young people, but that was our recommendation.

[Speaker 2] (43:54 - 43:59)
Okay, and then for the recommendation number seven, is youth following the same under recommendation five,

[Speaker 2] (43:59 - 44:05)
it's like 14 to 22 year olds to do this or it really depends on how you want to frame it.

[Speaker 1] (44:06 - 44:07)
I am not saying that in my notes, so

[Speaker 2] (44:07 - 44:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (44:08 - 44:09)
I can get back to you

[Speaker 2] (44:09 - 44:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (44:09 - 44:09)
or

[Speaker 2] (44:09 - 44:09)
no problem.

[Speaker 2] (44:10 - 44:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (44:10 - 44:11)
it might be in the fuller report.

[Speaker 1] (44:13 - 44:20)
Okay, so the last set of recommendations have to do with addressing barriers to voting and participation in town government.

[Speaker 1] (44:21 - 44:29)
So we know from the survey and other research, residents may not be able to vote or engage in government due to work schedules or the need to care for kids.

[Speaker 1] (44:29 - 44:34)
Data show lower participation in elections held in April, as I said earlier.

[Speaker 1] (44:35 - 44:40)
And on the survey, some voters indicated barriers like lack of childcare.

[Speaker 1] (44:40 - 44:41)
child care, conflicting work schedules,

[Speaker 1] (44:42 - 44:44)
lack of information on issues or candidates.

[Speaker 1] (44:45 - 44:51)
So one idea is to offer child care at town meeting through paid high school students. We found an example from Littleton,

[Speaker 1] (44:51 - 44:53)
Mass., where people can enroll in advance,

[Speaker 1] (44:53 - 44:57)
and we discussed that it doesn't have to just be for town meeting members,

[Speaker 1] (44:57 - 45:03)
but if other residents want to come to town meeting and participate and observe the government process,

[Speaker 1] (45:03 - 45:06)
that would be a way to encourage engagement.

[Speaker 1] (45:06 - 45:12)
The next one is to expand voting hours to include one weekend day for early voting.

[Speaker 1] (45:13 - 45:17)
You know, if it's only on the weekdays for early voting for local elections,

[Speaker 1] (45:17 - 45:18)
that might be a barrier to people.

[Speaker 1] (45:19 - 45:20)
And then finally,

[Speaker 1] (45:20 - 45:23)
we included a recommendation on moving town elections day to November,

[Speaker 1] (45:24 - 45:27)
given the high turnout in November.

[Speaker 1] (45:27 - 45:34)
There are other towns that have done this. There are 55 cities and towns in Massachusetts that hold biennial municipal elections.

[Speaker 1] (45:33 - 45:42)
elections in November on each odd-numbered year, and other towns hold the elections every spring like we do.

[Speaker 1] (45:43 - 45:55)
There was some discussion about this because I think in other states they're actually still every year, and so that would be a challenge if you're having an election every other year there are clearly some maybe downsides there,

[Speaker 1] (45:55 - 45:57)
so that would be an issue that would need to be explored.

[Speaker 1] (45:58 - 46:00)
Okay, so I'll turn it back to Marta.

[Speaker 3] (46:00 - 46:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (46:02 - 46:07)
I'm not going to go through these, but these are items that we considered and did not approve.

[Speaker 4] (46:08 - 46:09)
In closing,

[Speaker 4] (46:09 - 46:15)
the committee's goal was to identify practical steps that can increase participation in some specific elections.

[Speaker 4] (46:15 - 46:19)
We hope these recommendations can help make local voting more accessible,

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visible,

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and engaging for our residents.

[Speaker 4] (46:22 - 46:28)
We would be happy to come back, like Shane just said, and answer any more questions that the Select Board has at future meetings if necessary.

[Speaker 4] (46:29 - 46:33)
Thank you for the opportunity to present our findings, and we welcome your questions if you have any.

[Speaker 2] (46:35 - 46:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (46:38 - 46:40)
A lot to digest here.

[Speaker 5] (46:43 - 46:47)
Are they in any order of priority from your perspective?

[Speaker 1] (46:47 - 46:53)
I know they're grouped more by the issue they're trying to address. So that's kind of how we organised it.

[Speaker 1] (46:54 - 46:56)
And we did not vote to prioritize them.

[Speaker 6] (46:58 - 47:00)
So, Shane Murtha, the committee,

[Speaker 6] (47:00 - 47:21)
thank you so much for all of your hard work. Um I've been looking forward to uh to having this conversation with you and seeing the uh the findings in the report. Um it's really no surprise to me that the general elections in November every four years would have the highest voter turnout. Um I'm curious, any statistics on primary turnouts?

[Speaker 6] (47:21 - 47:26)
or a gubernatorial year, um turnouts in in your in your search.

[Speaker 1] (47:27 - 47:34)
I I believe I I that may have been included included in the research that we had, but I don't have it o off the top of my head.

[Speaker 4] (47:34 - 47:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (47:35 - 47:38)
We can get that information, we can try to get that information if necessary.

[Speaker 6] (47:38 - 47:39)
Okay, excellent.

[Speaker 6] (47:39 - 47:45)
And then, you know, I know recommendation eight was offer child care at town meetings through paid high school students.

[Speaker 6] (47:45 - 47:49)
I know this has been a request of a number of town meeting members.

[Speaker 6] (47:49 - 47:52)
I know we have talked about this.

[Speaker 6] (47:52 - 48:00)
I would love to see this implemented by May of 2026, since this doesn't require a home rule petition or really anything other than really just.

[Speaker 6] (48:01 - 48:15)
you know rolling up our sleeves and just doing it and working with with the powers that be to make that happen. I know there are so many young parents and families that can't participate in town meeting because of that childcare issue.

[Speaker 6] (48:16 - 48:24)
One of my good friends has four children at home and has to pay hundreds of dollars to come to each night of town meeting. And when that goes on three nights,

[Speaker 6] (48:24 - 48:26)
that's quite expensive.

[Speaker 6] (48:26 - 48:31)
So I couldn't support recommendation eight enough.

[Speaker 6] (48:33 - 48:39)
And then I think that's really it. So I'll look forward to that follow-up information.

[Speaker 6] (48:39 - 48:40)
And thank you again.

[Speaker 1] (48:40 - 48:41)
Great, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (48:43 - 48:51)
Do you have any data on what the participation rate ends up being with recommendation 10 with moving the election day to November?

[Speaker 1] (48:52 - 48:54)
You mean on when cities did that,

[Speaker 1] (48:54 - 48:57)
how to increase their turnout?

[Speaker 1] (49:00 - 49:02)
We'll have to get back to you on that one.

[Speaker 5] (49:02 - 49:10)
I mean of all of these I would think that whether or not people are fully informed about every single race, but I would think in one small step now

[Speaker 1] (49:10 - 49:10)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (49:10 - 49:18)
it has ramifications, but you would get a massive increase in the number of people participating just by doing that one thing, right?

[Speaker 1] (49:18 - 49:25)
Yeah. I mean the one argument against this that came up in our discussion was would it crowd out local issues?

[Speaker 4] (49:26 - 49:26)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (49:27 - 49:38)
um because that the you know the presidential race just sort of really dominates um but I think you just would have to weigh that with the fact that we get so many more people to the polls.

[Speaker 2] (49:42 - 49:43)
Would you want to add anything?

[Speaker 3] (49:44 - 49:47)
Yeah, just if I could. Um for those of you who don't know me, Katie the normal town clerk.

[Speaker 2] (49:47 - 49:52)
Patrick, would you mind passing over, would you mind passing that? That way. Oh, here comes Joe.

[Speaker 2] (49:52 - 49:55)
Sorry, save the day. Thank you, Joe.

[Speaker 2] (49:57 - 50:06)
I'll start over. For those of you who don't know me, Katie Dupont, town clerk. I started in January of this year. Um speaking on elections in November. So I'm not sure

[Speaker 2] (50:07 - 50:33)
How much of the research and I'm happy to converse with you guys about it how much of that research went from municipalities going from annual town elections in the spring to November a lot of cities have it in their charters already where it's worked out with the bi-annual election so it goes every year and it works out that their election is not on the same year as a state election so if we were to do annual elections in November

[Speaker 2] (50:34 - 50:41)
we would be doing double elections on state years and presidential years. So just a note on in November elections.

[Speaker 3] (50:41 - 50:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (50:42 - 50:44)
Can you clarify that a little bit, double elections, what do you mean?

[Speaker 2] (50:44 - 50:57)
So if we were to have so this year if we don't do per se an annual election this April we would be doing an annual election in November and we have a state election in November. So we would have two different ballots.

[Speaker 2] (50:58 - 50:58)
So

[Speaker 2] (51:00 - 51:21)
we would have to change our bylaws to reflect which state in November we would want the election to be, whether that's the first Tuesday in November, if that ends up being the same date as the primary, I mean as the general election the state sets, then it ends up being the same day. If not, we could be running an election one week and then an election the next week or the next week after that.

[Speaker 4] (51:21 - 51:23)
Well, I think the whole point is to run it at the exact same time.

[Speaker 5] (51:23 - 51:24)
In alignment, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (51:24 - 51:27)
See all your resources, you only have it once a year.

[Speaker 4] (51:27 - 51:31)
from our cost perspective, from a focus perspective,

[Speaker 6] (51:31 - 51:31)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (51:31 - 51:33)
everything's happening just that one time.

[Speaker 3] (51:34 - 51:34)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (51:34 - 51:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (51:34 - 51:34)
Would you

[Speaker 3] (51:34 - 51:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (51:35 - 51:35)
just let

[Speaker 3] (51:35 - 51:43)
that is me the idea. It's just set by the state as well. So the state sets the state elections and the federal government sets the federal election dates.

[Speaker 1] (51:43 - 51:44)
Mm.

[Speaker 3] (51:44 - 51:44)
So

[Speaker 2] (51:44 - 51:44)
Which

[Speaker 3] (51:44 - 51:44)
it could be

[Speaker 2] (51:44 - 51:44)
would

[Speaker 3] (51:44 - 51:44)
different.

[Speaker 2] (51:44 - 51:47)
have to reflect to be in alignment with the state or federal.

[Speaker 3] (51:47 - 51:47)
Correct

[Speaker 4] (51:47 - 51:48)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (51:48 - 51:48)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (51:48 - 51:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (51:48 - 51:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (51:50 - 51:54)
Katie, while you're here, um recommendation nine to include one weekend day.

[Speaker 6] (51:55 - 51:59)
How feasible is that um for us and uh and with this

[Speaker 3] (51:59 - 51:59)
We've

[Speaker 6] (51:59 - 51:59)
upcoming election?

[Speaker 3] (51:59 - 52:00)
we we've done that.

[Speaker 6] (52:01 - 52:02)
So that already is one that we

[Speaker 2] (52:03 - 52:05)
So in 2023,

[Speaker 2] (52:05 - 52:08)
the town meeting passed the acceptance that Saturday is a legal holiday,

[Speaker 2] (52:08 - 52:14)
so that's why historically it seems that we haven't had a weekend for re-voting day for local elections.

[Speaker 2] (52:15 - 52:17)
So for the state election,

[Speaker 2] (52:17 - 52:21)
we're required by law to have the Saturday early voting day,

[Speaker 2] (52:21 - 52:27)
so we will in the fall have one in August and then two in October for...

[Speaker 2] (52:27 - 52:34)
the state election this year. Federal local elections, I looked at the past early voting calendars and there was not any

[Speaker 1] (52:34 - 52:34)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (52:34 - 52:35)
Saturday early voting hours.

[Speaker 1] (52:36 - 52:36)
Right. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (52:38 - 52:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (52:38 - 52:40)
So when did we have early voting hours on Saturdays?

[Speaker 3] (52:40 - 52:41)
Well, must have been for

[Speaker 6] (52:41 - 52:41)
Just

[Speaker 3] (52:41 - 52:41)
a state

[Speaker 1] (52:41 - 52:42)
The

[Speaker 6] (52:42 - 52:42)
during

[Speaker 1] (52:42 - 52:42)
primary.

[Speaker 3] (52:42 - 52:42)
and

[Speaker 6] (52:42 - 52:42)
that,

[Speaker 3] (52:42 - 52:42)
state

[Speaker 6] (52:42 - 52:42)
and

[Speaker 3] (52:42 - 52:43)
elections.

[Speaker 6] (52:43 - 52:50)
then the attendance on those the attendance at those meetings was pretty, at those on those days was pretty dismal, wasn't it?

[Speaker 3] (52:51 - 53:03)
I'm not sure about the attendance on them, but um from my experience in other municipalities it has been decent. People come passing by and they want to stop in. They see, you know if we advertise it correctly then people come in and they want to come in.

[Speaker 2] (53:03 - 53:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (53:04 - 53:10)
That just seems to be an easier one of the recommendations to implement. You know, why not? You know, why not do that if that's a recommendation?

[Speaker 2] (53:11 - 53:16)
So in order to to d uh institute a regulation like that we would have to change

[Speaker 2] (53:18 - 53:23)
Because we could not have Saturday be a h h considered a holiday, correct? For us to

[Speaker 3] (53:23 - 53:23)
I would

[Speaker 2] (53:23 - 53:24)
have an

[Speaker 3] (53:24 - 53:24)
have to

[Speaker 2] (53:24 - 53:24)
election

[Speaker 3] (53:24 - 53:24)
look into

[Speaker 2] (53:24 - 53:24)
then?

[Speaker 3] (53:24 - 53:31)
it, how we would do it, but I called the state. Usually the last day to register to vote is a Saturday, but we changed

[Speaker 3] (53:32 - 53:34)
accepting that Saturday is a legal holiday.

[Speaker 2] (53:34 - 53:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (53:35 - 53:36)
Now it falls to the Friday prior.

[Speaker 2] (53:36 - 53:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (53:37 - 53:39)
So I'd have to check on that. If that's something that we want to look into,

[Speaker 3] (53:39 - 53:40)
then I certainly can look into it.

[Speaker 2] (53:41 - 53:41)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (53:42 - 53:58)
Into recommendation eight, I mean that is something that we also could implement relatively quickly, and we could even try to utilise some of our national honour society students who are often looking for community service hours. So that is really I mean to David's point that is really

[Speaker 6] (53:59 - 54:02)
a pressing one that we could we could do I think quite easily. So, that's

[Speaker 2] (54:02 - 54:03)
As speaking

[Speaker 6] (54:03 - 54:03)
good.

[Speaker 2] (54:03 - 54:05)
from a as a NHS member, um

[Speaker 3] (54:05 - 54:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (54:05 - 54:07)
I would love that opportunity.

[Speaker 6] (54:07 - 54:07)
Right. Great.

[Speaker 2] (54:07 - 54:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (54:08 - 54:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (54:08 - 54:08)
Excellent.

[Speaker 2] (54:10 - 54:10)
Um

[Speaker 2] (54:11 - 54:34)
So I will speak from personal experience that my husband is a town meeting member and I am here so I have spent hundreds of dollars in child care on us getting to town meeting and when it does go three nights and you can't find somebody you're scrambling and sometimes he can't show up to the third night because we don't have a babysitter for it. So it can be difficult and it's a privilege that we have to be able to do that and not everybody has that privilege.

[Speaker 2] (54:36 - 55:00)
um I think it would also be great if we ran some sort of small civic activity like we're a town meeting they could have their own little town meeting or they could do something aligned in that way to understand like this is what makes Swampscott Swampscott like the fact that we have this form of government makes us different from other places so um it would be great for them to understand that too.

[Speaker 6] (55:01 - 55:07)
I think the majority of these recommendations really are easily implemented and they're they're great. I mean from the very beginning,

[Speaker 6] (55:08 - 55:12)
um you know using code red, right? That's that's a fairly easy

[Speaker 4] (55:12 - 55:12)
No-brainer.

[Speaker 6] (55:12 - 55:20)
fix, no-brainer situation. But a lot of these really are ones, you know, they're great recommendations because they're ones we can implement. So kudos to you for that. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (55:21 - 55:43)
Again I'll just say that we kept identifying things that we knew would be ongoing issues, so that this idea of having an on a permanent kind of election committee that could continue to implement this work, we know that you know we're a val volunteer run town, that town the town the town of Swampscott has a full plate, and so how could we use that committee to really support the implementing these recommendations.

[Speaker 6] (55:44 - 55:45)
Really great work.

[Speaker 4] (55:48 - 55:54)
So we don't have on here t uh like a vote as part of this agenda item, right, for Correct. anything. Um

[Speaker 2] (55:54 - 56:05)
So I guess because there is no language to vote tonight what I would suggest is that we could continue to discuss um we could put voting on an an next

[Speaker 2] (56:06 - 56:17)
agenda if you if we wanted to but I guess we should just be specific about what we want to vote on like are you voting to institute a town election committee are we voting to um so I guess that would be the

[Speaker 4] (56:17 - 56:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (56:17 - 56:19)
sort of direction we would go in.

[Speaker 7] (56:20 - 56:32)
Could I just add if we were to do that, we could come back with the things that we can just do either administratively or make sure we're doing notifications or and sort of narrow what you all would need to vote on if it's directing Katie to.

[Speaker 1] (56:33 - 56:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (56:33 - 56:49)
Suggest changes to the charter, suggest changes to any by-law that's been passed. But that way we can bifurcate the things that like you all have said are sort of implementable now versus ones that require some effort either on the legal side or that we really think it requires you all to vote. I think generally

[Speaker 1] (56:49 - 56:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (56:49 - 56:52)
speaking we've understood the things that we can do, we should

[Speaker 1] (56:52 - 56:53)
Yeah, but

[Speaker 7] (56:53 - 56:55)
take and co-ordinate with you all the implement the best we can,

[Speaker 1] (56:55 - 56:55)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (56:55 - 56:57)
yeah. if that works for you as a group.

[Speaker 6] (56:57 - 56:58)
Yep. Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (56:58 - 56:59)
Yeah, that works great.

[Speaker 3] (56:59 - 57:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (57:01 - 57:12)
I see you have your hand up, but we are not taking comment during the agenda items. Public comment is at the beginning of the meeting. And so I just want to say that because I see you have your hand up. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 4] (57:14 - 57:23)
So I'd like to suggest a future discussion and potential vote on recommendation six and ten,

[Speaker 4] (57:23 - 57:28)
lowering the voting age and ten elections to sixteen because I think these are the two

[Speaker 4] (57:29 - 57:41)
figure ones that can move the needle in various ways for, require kind of a a robust discussion and some good preparation to make sure we're fully prepared for a a discussion.

[Speaker 2] (57:43 - 57:45)
Yeah, I second that sentiment, Doug,

[Speaker 2] (57:46 - 58:06)
because I think the, it's the idea, I think I vocalized originally that the idea of lowering the voting age to 16 did not offend my senses as it did many other people's senses and it needed a more robust conversation to understand sort of, you know, what other, how it increased voter turnout for other

[Speaker 2] (58:07 - 58:33)
How how other towns viewed it to possibly increase voter turnout. It's just making the population size bigger. It's not necessarily getting people to the polls So it has to be in conjunction with your other suggestions That's why you have ten recommendations here and not one and so really we we can't we shouldn't in my opinion do that recommendation if we're not going to do any of these other ones because you're just creating a larger pool of people who potentially don't show up

[Speaker 2] (58:33 - 58:34)
to the pulse.

[Speaker 2] (58:35 - 58:54)
And I think that I would love to see some sort of dollar amount fact patterns understanding of what would have to be done to move elections to November. I think we talked about that briefly when we, you know, sort of put you guys all together and that it might be something that we wanted to explore, so.

[Speaker 2] (58:58 - 59:05)
we will look to do that then, and get this on another agenda after we have some additional paperwork and documentation on

[Speaker 2] (59:05 - 59:16)
specifically those two items. And then hopefully some of this can some of the things that we can just accomplish, Nick you can bring up during um the town administrators report that we're moving towards.

[Speaker 7] (59:17 - 59:17)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (59:18 - 59:18)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (59:18 - 59:28)
In the meantime, recommendation eight, I'm happy to act as a point person or help um to get that off the ground so that we can actually make some headway towards that for the town meeting that's coming up. So I'm

[Speaker 2] (59:28 - 59:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (59:28 - 59:31)
happy to talk to you guys offline about that.

[Speaker 1] (59:31 - 59:31)
That sounds

[Speaker 2] (59:31 - 59:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (59:31 - 59:32)
great.

[Speaker 2] (59:32 - 59:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (59:32 - 59:32)
Thank you, Danielle.

[Speaker 6] (59:33 - 59:33)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 1] (59:33 - 59:33)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 2] (59:35 - 59:48)
Okay, if there's nothing further we will move on to um item number two, the historic commission versus the discussion and possible vote on the Glover presentation effort preservation, sorry, effort presentation.

[Speaker 2] (59:48 - 59:51)
That's a tongue twister.

[Speaker 4] (59:52 - 59:52)
No.

[Speaker 2] (59:53 - 59:53)
That brings us to our final.

[Speaker 5] (59:59 - 1:00:01)
I'm Jonathan Lehman,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:01 - 1:00:06)
Precinct 6 Town Meeting member and Vice Chair of the Historical Commission.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:07 - 1:00:14)
The Historical Commission would like to thank the Select Board for putting preservation of the Glover Farmhouse on tonight's agenda.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:16 - 1:00:19)
Before Nancy begins presenting our business plan,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:19 - 1:00:27)
we wanted to be sure that everyone here is aware that we are not asking the town for additional money for this project.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:28 - 1:00:30)
That's not why we're here.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:31 - 1:00:41)
I want to talk a bit about our ongoing fundraising effort. We have been seeking donations at all levels, large and small.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:41 - 1:00:46)
Early on, we realized that we needed professional help for large donors,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:46 - 1:00:50)
so we brought someone else on to help raise those funds.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:51 - 1:00:52)
For all donors,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:53 - 1:00:55)
but especially large donors,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:55 - 1:01:06)
the interest level is directly correlated with support behind a project and the will to help make it succeed. We have made the contact with potential donors.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:07 - 1:01:11)
And large donor relationships in any organization take some cultivation,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:12 - 1:01:14)
which is why we have the professional help.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:15 - 1:01:26)
We are acutely aware that our ability to close the building up and make it presentable to adjacent prospective tenants is dependent on our success in fundraising.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:29 - 1:01:35)
We have the support of National Development who met with the Planning Board recently to present their latest plan,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:35 - 1:01:39)
which includes preservation of the Glover Farmhouse,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:39 - 1:01:45)
and we have the support of other agencies that we will talk about in just a bit.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:46 - 1:01:54)
Please think about the optics of your support for this project in terms of our fundraising efforts.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:55 - 1:02:01)
A unanimous vote in support will go much further with a major donor than a split vote.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:02 - 1:02:09)
We are asking for your unanimous support so that we can continue with our fundraising efforts.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:09 - 1:02:17)
We understand that this project will not go forward unless we can raise the necessary funds.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:17 - 1:02:19)
With that said,

[Speaker 5] (1:02:19 - 1:02:23)
we want to present the business plan and answer your questions.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:27 - 1:02:30)
Thank you, Nancy Schultz, Chair of the Historical Commission.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:31 - 1:02:35)
We are here, as Jonathan said, for multiple reasons,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:35 - 1:02:43)
but we think this is an ideal Rev 250 commemorative project for Swampscot to take on.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:45 - 1:02:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:50 - 1:02:51)
It's really,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:51 - 1:02:52)
for the town,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:52 - 1:02:54)
an opportunity of a lifetime.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:55 - 1:03:03)
We will never have another opportunity to claim a revolutionary war hero's home within our borders.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:04 - 1:03:10)
And the partnership with national development is a great opportunity for us.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:11 - 1:03:20)
They have come a long way. We have worked really hard in many discussions with them to get to this point. And I think it's...

[Speaker 6] (1:03:21 - 1:03:33)
It was personally thrilling for all of us and for me and all of us to see the Glover Farmhouse on a developer's plan as part of a proposed plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:34 - 1:03:38)
So it's a great opportunity for the town.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:41 - 1:03:42)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:42 - 1:03:46)
so I'll see if this works.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:46 - 1:03:46)
Want me to play it?

[Speaker 6] (1:03:46 - 1:03:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:47 - 1:03:48)
Let me see if it goes.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:49 - 1:04:14)
conversation about this house and how important it was to my understanding really wasn't a big part of the conversation this is another way to engage with our veterans to honor them not just Glover but his entire regiment one of the beautiful things about Glover is the regiment that he brought together was people of all different backgrounds this is a national treasure that we need to engage and find a way to save

[Speaker 6] (1:04:19 - 1:04:27)
Doug always says everything's so much better than most people, so we wanted to include him here along with images

[Speaker 10] (1:04:27 - 1:04:28)
That was unauthorized.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:28 - 1:04:33)
of other media,

[Speaker 6] (1:04:34 - 1:04:38)
but that was aired widely on Channel 5 TV.

[Speaker 11] (1:04:44 - 1:04:45)
I mean once was more than enough

[Speaker 6] (1:04:46 - 1:04:46)
We

[Speaker 6] (1:04:48 - 1:04:51)
have many community advocates up there.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:52 - 1:05:06)
These are just some, but we have broad interest from many and most recently a letter of support from Ken Burns of the American Revolution filmmaker Ken Burns.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:08 - 1:05:12)
All right, so here is part of the plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:13 - 1:05:23)
National Development has proposed a public-private partnership to restore the original 1700s residential core.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:24 - 1:05:38)
We would be removing non-significant 20th century additions and this building would be integrated into the residential development as a cultural and community centerpiece.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:40 - 1:05:42)
In the plan,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:42 - 1:05:51)
national development has offered to lease the property to the town of Swanscott for 99 years at a dollar a year.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:52 - 1:06:11)
I have my checkbook with me to save the Glover checkbook. We are prepared to write a check for $99 which would cover the ground lease and give Swamp Scott the use of this property into the year 2,125.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:15 - 1:06:17)
That would be rent free.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:18 - 1:06:20)
Our fundraising branch,

[Speaker 6] (1:06:20 - 1:06:31)
Save the Glover, Inc., will commit to funding $25,000 to cover the estimated operating costs for the first five years.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:31 - 1:06:34)
And with strong town support,

[Speaker 6] (1:06:34 - 1:06:45)
we anticipate that we would boost our fundraising enough to be able to help endow the building even further into the future.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:46 - 1:06:52)
Net profits from the lease can be held for future building maintenance,

[Speaker 6] (1:06:52 - 1:06:59)
and we'll go to the next slide that shows the numbers a little more.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:01 - 1:07:03)
Okay, so...

[Speaker 6] (1:07:06 - 1:07:14)
This is some estimated operating expenses for the town for a two-story, 1200 square foot building.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:16 - 1:07:23)
Typically, this is just some internet research. We're happy to go and do additional research if it's needed.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:24 - 1:07:32)
But these are just the numbers between $1,900 and $3,400 a year for basic utilities.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:32 - 1:07:46)
is, we estimate that the annual costs just keep the lights on and utilities would be about $5,000 per year,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:46 - 1:07:53)
which is why we're offering to endow the first $25,000 to cover those costs for five years.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:56 - 1:08:00)
Through rentals, Swamp Scott...

[Speaker 6] (1:08:01 - 1:08:14)
We think could recoup the $54,000 ARPA investment it made into this building by just doing a net profit of $5,400 a year.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:14 - 1:08:21)
That seems like a very small profit to make. I think renting the building would produce more.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:22 - 1:08:25)
But I think the idea of

[Speaker 6] (1:08:26 - 1:08:37)
Getting back that ARPA investment of $54,000 to be able to, you know, have access to that money is an important point.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:39 - 1:08:44)
The other numbers are just, you know, our pledges, donations, and grants are currently...

[Speaker 6] (1:08:45 - 1:08:52)
over $500,000 that we've raised in a very short amount of time.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:52 - 1:09:01)
And I guess the last thing I would say is you'll notice in here we haven't included the Community Preservation Act funds.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:02 - 1:09:07)
That is going to be a reliable source of funds going forward,

[Speaker 6] (1:09:07 - 1:09:10)
one third already allocated to preservation.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:10 - 1:09:16)
We don't think we need those funds even to make this viable proposal.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:19 - 1:09:28)
We were pretty sure that there would be good use available for that building. I'm sorry,

[Speaker 6] (1:09:28 - 1:09:29)
I changed my mind and I...

[Speaker 1] (1:09:30 - 1:09:31)
There we go.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:31 - 1:09:33)
Could I ask a question about the last slide real

[Speaker 1] (1:09:33 - 1:09:34)
Oh

[Speaker 2] (1:09:34 - 1:09:34)
quick,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:34 - 1:09:34)
sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:34 - 1:09:34)
if you don't mind?

[Speaker 2] (1:09:35 - 1:09:40)
So the total pledges, the donations being over $500,000, does that include the $250,000 that's

[Speaker 1] (1:09:40 - 1:09:40)
No

[Speaker 2] (1:09:40 - 1:09:41)
additional?

[Speaker 1] (1:09:41 - 1:09:41)
that's included.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:41 - 1:09:42)
So you No, have almost.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:42 - 1:09:51)
it's all included and we're over $500,000 including the $250,000 pledge by National Development.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:51 - 1:09:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:51 - 1:09:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:51 - 1:09:51)
good.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:51 - 1:09:52)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:54 - 1:09:56)
Does anybody else have a question about,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:58 - 1:10:09)
So we think that this will help Swampscott in multiple ways, attracting heritage tourists. We don't currently have

[Speaker 1] (1:10:10 - 1:10:16)
much to see in Swampscott relating to the American Revolution. We have the monuments,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:16 - 1:10:27)
but this would definitely be a draw for tourists because we would anticipate that we would have a small display on Glover.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:28 - 1:10:45)
Um and of course we know that talk about the um the revolution is going to be going on to 2033 because 1783 was when it actually ended so this is not the only year we're going to be talking about the revolution um and

[Speaker 1] (1:10:47 - 1:10:54)
A living history laboratory destination for Swanskot and Salem schools.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:55 - 1:10:59)
It would be open to the public, we anticipate.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:01 - 1:11:10)
We also anticipate that it would serve the 140 new residential units on site and the broader Vinnin Square area.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:10 - 1:11:16)
We have thought and talked about the back L being a perfect place for meeting space,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:16 - 1:11:28)
maybe rentable for residents of the complex or for Swampscott Marblehead and Salem and certainly Glover's Marblehead Regiment.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:28 - 1:11:33)
has been looking for a place they need a meeting space for about four times a year.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:35 - 1:11:43)
While we really think, too, that there'd be a lot of retail and commercial opportunities in the site-gift shop, coffee shop,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:43 - 1:11:51)
office space-all of this could be, you know, determined once the building envelope is complete,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:51 - 1:11:56)
the interior could be renovated to suit an interested client,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:56 - 1:12:01)
and of course, just as you did with the Hawthorne, put out an RFP to get

[Speaker 1] (1:12:01 - 1:12:02)
get tenants,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:02 - 1:12:10)
but we anticipate smaller, a smaller shop of course, or office space could be reasonable uses.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:14 - 1:12:18)
Okay, so here's the strategic timeline.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:19 - 1:12:24)
October we did issue the demolition delay.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:25 - 1:12:37)
This winter we're doing an aggressive capital campaign and we did finalize the fundraising branch as a 501C.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:38 - 1:12:40)
July 2026.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:41 - 1:12:50)
Target date to begin exterior renovation coinciding with the 250th anniversary of the birth of the United States of America.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:51 - 1:12:58)
We could have an opening event in Swamscott kind of kicking off the project.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:59 - 1:13:08)
The developer has said that they need 18 to 24 months to do the building. So we anticipate...

[Speaker 1] (1:13:09 - 1:13:12)
that the grand opening would be 2028.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:12 - 1:13:16)
And then in the year 2032,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:16 - 1:13:25)
we would have a grand celebration of the 300th anniversary of General Glover's birth year.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:35 - 1:13:42)
We want to thank you for your giving us this time to present our business plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:44)
And, John,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:45 - 1:13:46)
did you want to add anything to that?

[Speaker 3] (1:13:46 - 1:13:52)
Thank you very much and we'd like to answer any questions you have,

[Speaker 3] (1:13:52 - 1:13:59)
but right now this is primarily about fundraising and particularly with major donors.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:59 - 1:14:03)
So we'd certainly like to take your questions.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:05 - 1:14:10)
So you've hired a professional fundraiser to help you.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:11 - 1:14:22)
What is the projection in the ability to fundraise 1.5 million dollars in not not that much time?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:24 - 1:14:28)
Well, we are, our goal is to raise a million by July.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:30 - 1:14:34)
And your on goal to do that you believe that the professionals feel like?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:35 - 1:14:39)
We're working on it. We have a plan. We're talking to a lot of people,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:39 - 1:14:47)
and we hope that, you know, your support will assist us. Because the more support we have from the town,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:48 - 1:14:51)
the better we'll do with our fundraising,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:51 - 1:14:57)
and that will allow us to create a larger endowment for the building. From the beginning,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:57 - 1:14:59)
when we wrote this...

[Speaker 1] (1:15:01 - 1:15:15)
nearly fifty page feasibility study on how to make the Glover House self-sustaining. From the beginning we have thought about this um idea to the house would only be successful if it can be self-sustaining.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
There

[Speaker 4] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:15:16 - 1:15:19)
there are some commitments that have been made, but

[Speaker 3] (1:15:20 - 1:15:45)
Frankly, it's not, the Glover's not not unlike other major fundraisers. If the the potential donors sort of wait in the wings and they look at, you know, is there support for this and it it you know, it's obviously very important, as we mentioned the optics of the Select Board support is important. Uh to me, the the the risk is low because

[Speaker 3] (1:15:46 - 1:15:48)
If we can't raise the money,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:48 - 1:15:49)
this will not go forward.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:49 - 1:15:51)
We know that, and you know that.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:52 - 1:16:08)
So we're asking for your support so that we can work with our major fundraiser. We do have some meetings coming up, and we're going to give it everything we can.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:10 - 1:16:23)
You know, people people want to donate to something that's gonna succeed, especially major donors that um we're going after smaller donors as well, but they're not as concerned about that sort of thing. Some are some are not.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:24 - 1:16:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:24 - 1:16:25)
Can you I just have a cou

[Speaker 6] (1:16:26 - 1:16:29)
How much, so we're talking you need $2 million just to do the exterior?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:29 - 1:16:30)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:30 - 1:16:31)
How much do you need to do the exterior?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:32 - 1:16:32)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:32 - 1:16:44)
it would be very helpful if the town could assist us and the developer could assist us with getting into the building to get an accurate estimate.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:44 - 1:16:54)
We have been asking and working toward this since October and we have not yet been allowed to bring a contractor in to look at it and say.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:54 - 1:16:55)
Here's what it would cost.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:55 - 1:16:56)
So it's private,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:56 - 1:16:58)
But we are not anticipating the

[Speaker 6] (1:16:58 - 1:17:02)
private property, I just want, so what you're saying is you don't know what it's going to cost to do the inside?

[Speaker 3] (1:17:02 - 1:17:15)
private property. So we need, we've had a forensic architect go in several years ago to say that this can be saved. But in terms of the exact costs, we need to get in there and we need permission from the owner.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:15 - 1:17:20)
National development is helping us, but they don't have a say. It's up to the owner.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:20 - 1:17:21)
owner

[Speaker 6] (1:17:21 - 1:17:21)
Okay. So

[Speaker 2] (1:17:21 - 1:17:25)
And the town doesn't have a say either, to be clear. The town's not barricading access

[Speaker 3] (1:17:25 - 1:17:25)
The

[Speaker 2] (1:17:25 - 1:17:25)
to any

[Speaker 3] (1:17:25 - 1:17:25)
town

[Speaker 2] (1:17:25 - 1:17:25)
of the towns.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:25 - 1:17:26)
doesn't own it either.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:26 - 1:17:26)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:26 - 1:17:32)
Right. So back to my original question. We don't know what it's going to cost to do the exterior?

[Speaker 3] (1:17:32 - 1:17:35)
Two million would be more than

[Speaker 3] (1:17:35 - 1:17:36)
When you're doing

[Speaker 1] (1:17:36 - 1:17:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:36 - 1:17:36)
the excavation.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:36 - 1:17:36)
For I the exterior

[Speaker 1] (1:17:36 - 1:17:44)
think we were talking about two million for the whole building, the building envelope. We've actually located some preservation contractors.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:56)
We have a list of them and they are very skilled at preservation and they have offered to work with us at far less the market rate.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:56 - 1:18:01)
So I'm thinking the exterior of the building would be...

[Speaker 1] (1:18:02 - 1:18:05)
under a million, but we don't we're

[Speaker 6] (1:18:05 - 1:18:05)
We

[Speaker 1] (1:18:05 - 1:18:05)
having

[Speaker 6] (1:18:05 - 1:18:06)
don't know.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:06 - 1:18:09)
a hard time getting it because we can't get an accurate estimate.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:10 - 1:18:17)
National development will do the demo around it. So their plan is to demolish everything around the farmhouse.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:17 - 1:18:20)
So the bottom line is you don't know what it's gonna cost to do the exterior

[Speaker 6] (1:18:21 - 1:18:23)
You don't know what it's gonna cost to do the interior

[Speaker 3] (1:18:23 - 1:18:23)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:18:23 - 1:18:23)
because

[Speaker 3] (1:18:23 - 1:18:23)
less

[Speaker 6] (1:18:23 - 1:18:24)
you can't

[Speaker 3] (1:18:24 - 1:18:26)
than our goal of two million.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:26 - 1:18:28)
We've been using the figure of 1.5 million,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:29 - 1:18:33)
which is based on our preservation architect's guess.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:33 - 1:18:34)
For the exterior.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:35 - 1:18:43)
No, probably for the whole thing, they thought 1.5 million. But we're aiming for two to make sure we have enough money,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:43 - 1:18:46)
and we do want to create this endowment for the building.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:46 - 1:19:10)
I think we I think we need to take a step back here for for a minute just to put context on this right so just in terms of exactly what your request is and what a vote of support means because there are different levels potentially to what that means and I think it would be there's different thresholds to get people maybe to what support is.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:11 - 1:19:24)
um in terms of what we're actually committing the town to right so the larger context make sure everyone's on the same page right is that this is connected to the planning process

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:31)
I'm not, so I hope this is helpful for me.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:31 - 1:19:47)
so one level of support is that we're like rah-rah this is a really nice idea go get money right I would hope that that would be a pretty low threshold and

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:51)
Maybe we could get everybody to say that would be great.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:51 - 1:19:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:52 - 1:19:54)
That's one level of support,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:54 - 1:19:55)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:19:57 - 1:20:02)
The way you've laid this out is relatively,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:02 - 1:20:06)
I would say, a minimal commitment from the town.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:06 - 1:20:07)
Not no commitment,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:07 - 1:20:09)
but relatively minimal commitment.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:11 - 1:20:12)
In terms of financially,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:13 - 1:20:15)
we're in a very tight financial situation.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:15 - 1:20:15)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:15 - 1:20:26)
Just to be clear, you guys have basically taken on all responsibility for paying the whopping $99, paying the operating costs, right,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:26 - 1:20:28)
for the five years.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:29 - 1:20:51)
Estimated $5,000 a year that you would be responsible for the raising all the money for the outside and the inside running it through save the Glover figuring out really how you kind of do this kind of internal operations basically everything is save the Glover okay so

[Speaker 3] (1:20:51 - 1:20:54)
What can you clarify what we're operating though?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:54 - 1:21:00)
Well, that's, we'll be leasing it, the town would be leasing it to save the Glover,

[Speaker 3] (1:21:00 - 1:21:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:09)
and they would be working through exactly what the mechanics are of these four primary uses.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:10 - 1:21:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:10 - 1:21:17)
And then just maybe keep going. I have a couple of follow-up questions for that, but maybe keep going what you're

[Speaker 1] (1:21:17 - 1:21:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:17 - 1:21:17)
doing first.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:18 - 1:21:20)
So to me, the only...

[Speaker 1] (1:21:21 - 1:21:26)
fly in the ointment is that the

[Speaker 1] (1:21:27 - 1:21:32)
planning board at the same time national development is taking this to the planning board right and

[Speaker 4] (1:21:32 - 1:21:33)
Yeah, correct

[Speaker 1] (1:21:33 - 1:21:42)
so they are asking for an accommodation from the planning board in order to accommodate keeping the house here right which

[Speaker 3] (1:21:42 - 1:21:44)
Which is the height variance.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:44 - 1:21:46)
is the height variance on the back building

[Speaker 1] (1:21:48 - 1:21:51)
primarily getting at least a nod of assent from the giant plane

[Speaker 5] (1:21:51 - 1:21:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:52 - 1:21:53)
board chair. Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:53 - 1:21:54)
I'm not the

[Speaker 5] (1:21:54 - 1:21:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:54 - 1:21:55)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
he's behind

[Speaker 3] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
he's right behind

[Speaker 1] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
you.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
behind

[Speaker 5] (1:21:55 - 1:21:56)
Right behind you.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:56 - 1:21:58)
you. I get to see both of you at the same time. So

[Speaker 5] (1:21:58 - 1:21:59)
Good.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:59 - 1:22:00)
um so

[Speaker 2] (1:22:00 - 1:22:02)
So wait, can you just be clear so people understand so what

[Speaker 1] (1:22:02 - 1:22:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:03 - 1:22:08)
national is saying, hey, you can have this building, but we need to go up higher.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:08 - 1:22:13)
We need to go one floor higher on the back building in order to make take those units that we're losing where

[Speaker 5] (1:22:13 - 1:22:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:13 - 1:22:15)
the house is gonna s hopefully stay.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:16 - 1:22:18)
We're going to put them on the top of the back building.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:18 - 1:22:24)
All right, so we've, So there's a picture here of just four stories, is that is this originally a three story building or?

[Speaker 1] (1:22:24 - 1:22:26)
No, it doesn't show the back building. I

[Speaker 6] (1:22:26 - 1:22:26)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:22:26 - 1:22:26)
think that's

[Speaker 6] (1:22:26 - 1:22:26)
the other

[Speaker 1] (1:22:26 - 1:22:26)
the back,

[Speaker 6] (1:22:26 - 1:22:27)
building

[Speaker 1] (1:22:27 - 1:22:27)
that's

[Speaker 6] (1:22:27 - 1:22:27)
it's okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:27 - 1:22:28)
one cut off, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:28 - 1:22:30)
Yep. And that's in Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:31 - 1:22:31)
The

[Speaker 2] (1:22:31 - 1:22:31)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:22:31 - 1:22:32)
back building is

[Speaker 3] (1:22:32 - 1:22:32)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:22:32 - 1:22:32)
in four Swampscott.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:32 - 1:22:34)
stories are in Swampscott, yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:34 - 1:22:36)
I need to answer one other question.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:37 - 1:22:37)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:22:39 - 1:22:43)
So that is the bet we're making here.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:43 - 1:22:46)
Whether or not it's the rah-rah level of support,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:46 - 1:22:46)
well,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:47 - 1:22:49)
maybe that doesn't really come with any strings attached.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:50 - 1:22:59)
But if we were to, and I'm asking for you all to kind of define this a little bit more clearly so people know exactly what they're voting on.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:02 - 1:23:03)
If we...

[Speaker 1] (1:23:05 - 1:23:15)
put our stamp of approval very firmly behind this with the caveats that we don't know exactly how much, not that you haven't tried,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:15 - 1:23:22)
you've tried extremely hard and unfortunately the owner has not allowed us to get in there so that we can answer this damn question about,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:22 - 1:23:25)
excuse me, how much it costs to fix it.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:31)
But we know relatively speaking how much it is. We know where you're at at $500,000.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:34 - 1:23:37)
I will vouch for the fact that like national development,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:37 - 1:23:44)
other people who are interested in this type of thing are ready to write bigger checks in general. I don't have a list of them. I'm not pretending that.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:44 - 1:23:47)
But, you know, there are people out there that love this stuff.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:50 - 1:23:52)
So there

[Speaker 1] (1:23:54 - 1:23:55)
is some risk there, though.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:56 - 1:23:58)
And that's where the the hitch comes.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:58 - 1:24:24)
There's a risk that for whatever reason you can't raise enough money to be able to fix the outside and we won't know that correct me if I'm wrong I don't know if you'll allow the planning board chair to comment on this but we won't know that definitively before the planning board has to opine on giving a potential variance for the height.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:25 - 1:24:25)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:25 - 1:24:27)
So we're in a timing challenge.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:28 - 1:24:29)
Is this fair?

[Speaker 7] (1:24:29 - 1:24:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:29 - 1:24:30)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:24:30 - 1:24:30)
I think I'd say yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:30 - 1:24:40)
I mean, we've sat in meetings with the planning board and with Nancy and Nick and the way you're characterizing it is exactly correct,

[Speaker 3] (1:24:40 - 1:24:44)
which is, but for the Glover House being where it is now and not moving,

[Speaker 3] (1:24:44 - 1:24:47)
we likely would not grant a variant, a height variance.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:48 - 1:24:49)
The height variance is

[Speaker 3] (1:24:50 - 1:24:52)
part and parcel with the saving of the house

[Speaker 2] (1:24:52 - 1:24:52)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (1:24:52 - 1:25:15)
so if they grant the variance in advance which they will have to do because of a timing issue and the funds we don't come up with the funds for whatever reason through no fault of very diligent trying we can't take these backseat like they still get the variance and the house could be torn down and they could still get the variance so that is the risk I think that's the gamble

[Speaker 8] (1:25:17 - 1:25:18)
I mean, yeah, I mean just from

[Speaker 2] (1:25:18 - 1:25:18)
Can

[Speaker 8] (1:25:18 - 1:25:19)
just from my perspective

[Speaker 2] (1:25:19 - 1:25:19)
I?

[Speaker 8] (1:25:19 - 1:25:21)
I would be I

[Speaker 2] (1:25:21 - 1:25:21)
We

[Speaker 8] (1:25:21 - 1:25:22)
I just oh oh

[Speaker 2] (1:25:22 - 1:25:23)
Oh.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:23 - 1:25:24)
y you want to start a comment?

[Speaker 2] (1:25:24 - 1:25:25)
Ann is our treasurer.

[Speaker 10] (1:25:25 - 1:25:30)
I'm the treasurer of the Save the Glover and we got our um

[Speaker 10] (1:25:31 - 1:25:36)
From the 501c3, we've received it from the IRS,

[Speaker 10] (1:25:36 - 1:25:39)
so we are a tax-deductible organization.

[Speaker 10] (1:25:40 - 1:25:44)
In the bank right now is about $70,000,

[Speaker 10] (1:25:44 - 1:25:52)
which I think like that should be at least a roof so that it doesn't degrade any further.

[Speaker 10] (1:25:52 - 1:25:57)
And when you think about what national development is giving you, it's absolutely remarkable.

[Speaker 10] (1:25:57 - 1:26:25)
remarkable they are giving you a corner lot in Vinon Square and you know we've in here you saw pictures of a retail shop in Marblehead where they sell you know deft thin pillows and these wonderful things so it's a remarkable retail corner but I also think the historic value of it is absolutely remarkable too it's going to be in brochures so when you

[Speaker 10] (1:26:25 - 1:26:27)
When you come to the area Marblehead,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:27 - 1:26:29)
be sure to stop into this house.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:29 - 1:26:31)
They're giving parking right

[Speaker 6] (1:26:31 - 1:26:32)
Why don't they in keep

[Speaker 10] (1:26:32 - 1:26:32)
front

[Speaker 6] (1:26:32 - 1:26:32)
it?

[Speaker 10] (1:26:32 - 1:26:33)
of the building,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:33 - 1:26:34)
right?

[Speaker 10] (1:26:34 - 1:26:49)
So it's a remarkable location that they are offering to you and ideally, you know, also the historic aspects of it are really what are very important.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:49 - 1:26:50)
Jonathan?

[Speaker 8] (1:26:50 - 1:26:51)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 10] (1:26:51 - 1:26:51)
So

[Speaker 8] (1:26:51 - 1:26:51)
your question

[Speaker 10] (1:26:51 - 1:26:51)
go ahead.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:51 - 1:26:52)
is?

[Speaker 6] (1:26:52 - 1:26:53)
Why don't they just keep it?

[Speaker 2] (1:26:53 - 1:27:06)
They are they are willing to partner with us because they realize that it's of great historic value and they the parking space allocation they've allocated ten spots in front of it.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:07 - 1:27:13)
They we were very pleased with the meeting with the planning board last week. There was a lot of good discussion.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:15 - 1:27:22)
The planning, the national development was very much open to the architect that sits on the planning board.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:22 - 1:27:33)
I thought it went very well. They're being a good partner and it's up to us to raise this huge amount of money and we realize that it's all dependent on that.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:36 - 1:27:50)
That can be done over time. I mean with the building there it can be preserved and even if it doesn't open you know that the exterior gets done before the apartments open and then the time can be taken on the interior right.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:51 - 1:27:53)
No, just from my perspective,

[Speaker 8] (1:27:53 - 1:28:07)
I think there's been an incredible amount of work, effort and energy that's been put into this from Nancy and John and so many volunteers. So thank you for coming and presenting this to us.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:07 - 1:28:12)
I think without having national development in the picture,

[Speaker 8] (1:28:12 - 1:28:17)
I think your chances of success would have been very, very minimal. But now.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:18 - 1:28:28)
With their with their seed money of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. There's a viable path here There's there's a realistic chance that this happens. There's the chances are

[Speaker 8] (1:28:30 - 1:28:33)
The chances are very considerable that you'll be able to do this.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:33 - 1:28:37)
So I've supported this along the way.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:37 - 1:28:45)
I've made sure that, you know, this board has made sure that we've supported, you know, ARPA and town grants to help with these efforts.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:46 - 1:28:56)
You know, I think we should, I think we as a board should sign off and should continue to support these efforts and energies to see that, to see the Glover project.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:56 - 1:29:05)
get through because I do believe that a 5-0 vote of the board today will result in additional donations, will result in additional press,

[Speaker 8] (1:29:05 - 1:29:09)
will result in this coming to fruition, making,

[Speaker 8] (1:29:09 - 1:29:15)
you know, this dream a reality for residents and, you know, what better time to do it than now.

[Speaker 8] (1:29:17 - 1:29:18)
So thank you again.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:19 - 1:29:22)
Can I ask just a timing question?

[Speaker 2] (1:29:22 - 1:29:26)
When does the planning board have to make its decision by?

[Speaker 3] (1:29:27 - 1:29:32)
So national development came for pre-application review to our meeting this month.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:32 - 1:29:34)
They've indicated that they would need

[Speaker 3] (1:29:35 - 1:29:52)
a couple of months to put together a final zoning package for us to review. At that point once they final uh once they submit a site plan special permit application, site plan for uh planning board to review, we'll have ninety days after we open the public hearing. So I would say June ninety days from the second Monday in June.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:53 - 1:29:56)
Any extensions beyond that would have to require their consent.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:57 - 1:30:03)
Um, Leggett McCall was consenting to an additional two months to review their full application,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:03 - 1:30:06)
but if they do not consent, we're required to vote.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:07 - 1:30:09)
Under state law, that's not under our town bylaws.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:09 - 1:30:10)
from June. So July

[Speaker 3] (1:30:10 - 1:30:11)
Ninety days from the second,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:11 - 1:30:11)
well,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:11 - 1:30:12)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:30:12 - 1:30:12)
yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:12 - 1:30:12)
like

[Speaker 3] (1:30:12 - 1:30:12)
ninety

[Speaker 2] (1:30:12 - 1:30:12)
July,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:12 - 1:30:13)
days from when

[Speaker 2] (1:30:13 - 1:30:13)
September.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:13 - 1:30:14)
the public hearing opens,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:14 - 1:30:14)
it,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:14 - 1:30:15)
yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:15 - 1:30:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:15 - 1:30:15)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:16 - 1:30:17)
And just from a

[Speaker 3] (1:30:18 - 1:30:26)
To outline the zoning perspective in this, our zoning ballot that was adopted in 2022, the Glover family overlay district capped the height at 50 feet,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:26 - 1:30:28)
but it did allow...

[Speaker 3] (1:30:29 - 1:30:41)
dimensional relief to be granted by a vote of the Planning Board. So that is the essence of what this discrepancy, I guess, or what this conversation is about is the height variance that they're seeking or would potentially be seeking.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:42 - 1:30:42)
And, Ted,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:42 - 1:30:48)
do we know what that what the delta is that they are seeking or do you have an idea?

[Speaker 3] (1:30:48 - 1:30:55)
Their preliminary package, which is subject to change, is about fifty four feet to the midpoint of the roof, close to sixty feet.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:55 - 1:30:56)
defeat to the peak of the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:57 - 1:30:58)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:58 - 1:30:59)
And the cap's fifty right now.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:00 - 1:31:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:00 - 1:31:01)
As written and approved

[Speaker 4] (1:31:01 - 1:31:01)
As written.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:01 - 1:31:05)
by town meeting, yes, with the dimensional relief being potentially granted by the planning board.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:06 - 1:31:07)
Would you say cap is fifty?

[Speaker 4] (1:31:07 - 1:31:07)
Fifty

[Speaker 5] (1:31:07 - 1:31:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:07 - 1:31:08)
right now.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:09 - 1:31:10)
I mean, but

[Speaker 7] (1:31:10 - 1:31:11)
I said,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:11 - 1:31:11)
the

[Speaker 7] (1:31:11 - 1:31:12)
go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:12 - 1:31:17)
timing as it lays out would actually is more beneficial to you, Nancy,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:17 - 1:31:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:17 - 1:31:19)
because, and you're,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:19 - 1:31:20)
I mean, I agree with David,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:20 - 1:31:26)
there is an exorbitant amount of work and labor you all have put into trying to make this work.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:26 - 1:31:28)
And you have come before me,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:28 - 1:31:30)
the skeptic, multiple times and asked,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:30 - 1:31:33)
what can I do to convince you that this is what we should be doing?

[Speaker 6] (1:31:34 - 1:31:37)
I'm still a little bit concerned about the business plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:37 - 1:31:45)
I still don't know exactly what's going there and I don't know what's happening five years after you all are no longer endowing it.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:45 - 1:31:48)
That's a real worry for me given our current financial situation.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:49 - 1:31:52)
We are not great landlords.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:52 - 1:31:56)
We just were spoken to about at public comment about how terrible we are at being landlords.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:56 - 1:32:03)
So I don't know how we are going to change our stripes for Glover, not that that makes it any less.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:04 - 1:32:30)
valuable from your perspective or other historic you know bus perspectives it is just I don't know that that is something smart for the town of Swampscott to take on to become a landlord in this situation and that is not to say that I don't value the property or any of the effort that is happening but I would say given the timeline as it lays out and the way that Doug laid out it

[Speaker 6] (1:32:31 - 1:32:48)
low threshold to get to that first level of like if by July you could raise two million dollars or however much you think you're going to raise that aligns with the planning board's timeline yeah go forth I like we can I don't know what that that's a

[Speaker 6] (1:32:49 - 1:32:53)
a vote that we actually have to take, we can all just resound and say,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:53 - 1:32:54)
I mean, I know you want us to take a vote,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:54 - 1:32:56)
but I don't really know what the language of that vote is,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:56 - 1:33:02)
because I don't know that I'm willing to commit to anything other than the timing allows for this to happen. Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:02 - 1:33:06)
you should go forward and try to make it happen. It's a worthwhile endeavor,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:06 - 1:33:07)
in my opinion,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:07 - 1:33:17)
but I have additional questions about what happens post five years of endowment, because I don't think the town can commit.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:18 - 1:33:21)
to taking on any additional costs related to this building,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:21 - 1:33:22)
in my opinion.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:22 - 1:33:25)
Well, it will be generating income.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:26 - 1:33:27)
That's how

[Speaker 6] (1:33:27 - 1:33:27)
I mean,

[Speaker 8] (1:33:27 - 1:33:27)
we anticipate.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:27 - 1:33:28)
yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:28 - 1:33:34)
I guess every person hopes that the investment property they buy stays an investment property forever and self-serves itself,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:34 - 1:33:39)
but there is always a chance and we would be responsible for that.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:40 - 1:33:45)
So God forbid something happened and it wasn't self-serving and the town is responsible for it.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:46 - 1:33:51)
And so I just think it's important to note 99 years is a long time.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:51 - 1:33:58)
And, you know, I just don't know if that's, this is a feasible situation for 99 years.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:59 - 1:34:02)
But, I mean, from a timing perspective,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:02 - 1:34:12)
it sounds like absolutely go forth and do the very best you have been doing and will continue to do to get people from my seat to continue to support this building.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:13 - 1:34:23)
I think we need to tweak the business model a little bit to better understand what the town can do post five years of building because I think the answer is nothing.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:23 - 1:34:26)
So that's just my opinion,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:26 - 1:34:26)
as

[Speaker 2] (1:34:26 - 1:34:31)
Yeah, I think I would just add a couple caveats to what Katie

[Speaker 6] (1:34:31 - 1:34:31)
we always

[Speaker 2] (1:34:31 - 1:34:31)
said.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:31 - 1:34:31)
do.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:35 - 1:34:37)
I don't want to set...

[Speaker 2] (1:34:38 - 1:34:54)
I don't want to set a specific number, because I don't think that's fair in terms of what needs to be raised by when, especially when we don't have the cooperation of the current owner. So Nick, you were gonna be reaching out to the owner's lawyer again.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:54 - 1:34:55)
Did we have any response?

[Speaker 1] (1:34:56 - 1:34:56)
Not yet.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:57 - 1:35:01)
Okay. So I I would say one thing that this board could vote on is

[Speaker 2] (1:35:01 - 1:35:17)
is to strongly, strongly encourage the owner of the Glover to allow them inside for three hours so that we can get an answer to what it will cost to rehab this.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:17 - 1:35:22)
So we do not sit here all wondering how much needs to be raised.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:22 - 1:35:31)
So I would ask that we send that strong message to the owner as one part of a vote or sense of the board.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:31 - 1:35:37)
A second is that we send a wholehearted support for your fundraising efforts,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:37 - 1:35:47)
that we support that work that you're doing and that this is important to the town of Swampscott. This is the second prong of this. And that.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:48 - 1:35:50)
Not necessarily for public,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:50 - 1:35:53)
you know, sharing, but um that

[Speaker 8] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
We're

[Speaker 2] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
we're

[Speaker 8] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
on TV.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
cha

[Speaker 6] (1:35:53 - 1:35:54)
Wait, we're in a

[Speaker 2] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
I

[Speaker 8] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
we're on TV.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:54 - 1:35:55)
mean for them to take

[Speaker 6] (1:35:55 - 1:35:56)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:56 - 1:36:09)
it public, yeah. But the third prong is that we're challenging you to come back with this needs firmer clarity about what the business plan is of the site, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:36:09 - 1:36:13)
So that we can ask you to not take on a five year,

[Speaker 2] (1:36:13 - 1:36:16)
but why not take on a longer term?

[Speaker 2] (1:36:17 - 1:36:18)
responsibility for the site.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:19 - 1:36:22)
Right make that your responsibility now. I know you've got

[Speaker 6] (1:36:22 - 1:36:23)
Or

[Speaker 2] (1:36:23 - 1:36:23)
taken out

[Speaker 6] (1:36:23 - 1:36:23)
find a

[Speaker 2] (1:36:23 - 1:36:23)
or

[Speaker 6] (1:36:23 - 1:36:24)
partner who,

[Speaker 2] (1:36:24 - 1:36:24)
find a

[Speaker 6] (1:36:24 - 1:36:24)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:36:24 - 1:36:25)
part whatever yeah somehow

[Speaker 1] (1:36:25 - 1:36:26)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:26 - 1:36:29)
To say we will lease it for 10 years because we have this partner,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:29 - 1:36:33)
so we'll keep control of it and this partner will operate it.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:33 - 1:36:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (1:36:33 - 1:36:37)
one thought we have, if we can raise enough to make it gorgeous,

[Speaker 10] (1:36:37 - 1:36:43)
we have to make it gorgeous outside so National Development can rent their apartments, but if we can make it gorgeous inside,

[Speaker 10] (1:36:43 - 1:36:47)
they would benefit by using it as a rental office or something.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:47 - 1:36:49)
something and and of course we would want space as well

[Speaker 2] (1:36:49 - 1:36:54)
And I don't want you to I don't want you to just I don't want I don't want you to like to freelance here Jonathan I think that's

[Speaker 10] (1:36:54 - 1:36:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:36:54 - 1:36:54)
part of

[Speaker 10] (1:36:54 - 1:36:54)
no

[Speaker 2] (1:36:54 - 1:36:55)
the no problem

[Speaker 10] (1:36:55 - 1:36:55)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:36:55 - 1:36:55)
here like

[Speaker 10] (1:36:55 - 1:36:55)
I'm not

[Speaker 2] (1:36:55 - 1:36:55)
there's

[Speaker 10] (1:36:55 - 1:36:56)
freelance yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:36:56 - 1:36:58)
a lot of different There's a lot of different options We

[Speaker 10] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58)
absolutely

[Speaker 2] (1:36:58 - 1:37:04)
would want you to come back with one that really looks like a business plan We could park with you offline or whatever

[Speaker 10] (1:37:04 - 1:37:04)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:37:04 - 1:37:13)
because right now it still seems like a list of ideas And not clearly a business plan and I think that would give more confidence to all the board members that

[Speaker 2] (1:37:12 - 1:37:38)
that this really is you guys have gone a long way this is a long way from where it was even three months ago six months ago it's moving in a very positive direction from my perspective in terms of its firmness and its ability to actually deliver on the promise without a lot of responsibility for the town but there still is these two friction areas right like can we count on this long term even if we get there

[Speaker 2] (1:37:38 - 1:37:40)
But first and foremost,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:40 - 1:38:07)
you know, can we see the progress over the next three months going from 500, can we, should we have a target of getting to a million dollars. That may not be definitively enough to do the outside, but if you can see the bar moving about fundraising, I think that'll go a long way and I would hope that we would all be very supportive of those efforts and you coming back with more information as we go along.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:07 - 1:38:15)
One question I would just like to add, and I know we've talked about this, is what restrictions National Development envisions would be on this use.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:15 - 1:38:15)
Totally.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:15 - 1:38:20)
Because thinking about it as a ninety nine year lease and not a five or a ten year, how do we get through the operating?

[Speaker 11] (1:38:21 - 1:38:25)
We don't know what this board or this community might want to do with it in the future.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:25 - 1:38:30)
If they think it's solely going to be a place that is for, you know,

[Speaker 6] (1:38:30 - 1:38:30)
Museum

[Speaker 11] (1:38:30 - 1:38:30)
field trips

[Speaker 8] (1:38:30 - 1:38:31)
Field

[Speaker 11] (1:38:31 - 1:38:31)
and

[Speaker 8] (1:38:31 - 1:38:31)
trips.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:31 - 1:38:36)
museums and maybe they're rental you know they use they use a piece of it, that's wonderful, but

[Speaker 11] (1:38:37 - 1:38:54)
I don't want to foreclose on potential future opportunities for the community without going into it eyes wide open, knowing that they don't want this use or that use. They really want it to be historic or for their use or whatever. I just want to understand what restrictions they may be considering in any ninety nine year lease so we don't discover that at the end of

[Speaker 8] (1:38:54 - 1:38:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:54 - 1:38:55)
the process that we can

[Speaker 10] (1:38:55 - 1:38:55)
It's

[Speaker 11] (1:38:55 - 1:38:55)
inform

[Speaker 10] (1:38:55 - 1:38:55)
time.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:55 - 1:38:56)
it at the beginning.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:56 - 1:38:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:56 - 1:38:58)
Right, like if we wanted to have a restaurant,

[Speaker 12] (1:38:58 - 1:38:58)
Have they already

[Speaker 6] (1:38:58 - 1:38:59)
right.

[Speaker 12] (1:38:59 - 1:38:59)
voiced that?

[Speaker 11] (1:39:02 - 1:39:14)
They they described that they it they thought it would be for historic use basically when we started to ask around this question and they there they envisioned what you're describing which is a place to learn about general

[Speaker 1] (1:39:25 - 1:39:29)
anticipated use that they think that has not been communicated fully and directly.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:29 - 1:39:35)
Okay. I'm not sure that's a critical thing in the next few months. I mean, we gotta you gotta actually bring it to the Planning Board, so.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:36 - 1:39:52)
Right, I would recommend that you all work out these provisions before or at the outset of them filing for a site plan special permit so that our board is not left wondering what one hand is doing while the other hand is going through a Chapter 42A regulatory process for zoning review.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:53 - 1:39:57)
The other thing that I would highly recommend is,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:57 - 1:39:59)
you

[Speaker 3] (1:40:00 - 1:40:02)
know, the planning board is the sole

[Speaker 3] (1:40:03 - 1:40:05)
Permitting authority who can grant the site relief here.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:05 - 1:40:09)
I will no longer be a member of the planning board by the time this hearing comes up so

[Speaker 3] (1:40:10 - 1:40:13)
Take my recommendation as just one member of the planning board who's on it for now

[Speaker 3] (1:40:14 - 1:40:18)
Outlining all of these different parameters are going to be important before the public hearing starts

[Speaker 3] (1:40:19 - 1:40:27)
Once the public hearing begins, whatever is in the site plan special permit that gets filed with the town clerk is what is going on perpetuity attached to that deed.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:27 - 1:40:29)
Nothing can be changed on that.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:29 - 1:40:33)
So if the funds are not raised by the time that that permit is given,

[Speaker 3] (1:40:33 - 1:40:37)
that 60-whatever-foot-tall building is what is going to be there.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:38 - 1:40:40)
If there's any changes to that,

[Speaker 3] (1:40:40 - 1:40:45)
that is what is going to be there because it is signed and filed with the clerk and registered with the registry of deeds.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:45 - 1:40:46)
So we just,

[Speaker 3] (1:40:46 - 1:40:47)
I would recommend that you all...

[Speaker 3] (1:40:48 - 1:40:59)
find comfort and clarity sooner rather than later because once that special hearing opens or the public hearing opens we're under we're under a clock of 90 days to get everything approved whenever

[Speaker 4] (1:40:59 - 1:41:01)
And that's June-ish.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:02 - 1:41:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:02 - 1:41:10)
they decide to file it's up to the applicants prerogative but they've indicated a couple months from when they were with us last week

[Speaker 5] (1:41:11 - 1:41:13)
And hold on, and they're saying,

[Speaker 5] (1:41:13 - 1:41:15)
so just so I have it right.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:16 - 1:41:22)
If you don't raise the money, then national is taking down the building?

[Speaker 6] (1:41:22 - 1:41:25)
We have, according to national development,

[Speaker 6] (1:41:25 - 1:41:35)
24 months or so. They want the exterior envelope of the building restored before the rental units open.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:35 - 1:41:38)
So they've given us a pretty good timeline.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:39 - 1:41:43)
And, you know, with the people we have,

[Speaker 6] (1:41:43 - 1:41:44)
I think.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:45 - 1:41:51)
We are very close to having enough to do that, to restore the building envelope.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:52 - 1:41:53)
So they've

[Speaker 4] (1:41:53 - 1:41:53)
I, yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:41:53 - 1:41:55)
given us 24 months.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:56 - 1:42:04)
I guess I am more comfortable granting my full swing of support at that lower threshold level,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:04 - 1:42:13)
which is we need to come back before they file their permit and have very close to what we're looking at from a funding situation because

[Speaker 4] (1:42:14 - 1:42:22)
We are going to, we cannot conditionally grant them the ability to have that height variance.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:22 - 1:42:25)
It can't be conditioned on us raising money in 24 months.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:25 - 1:42:34)
It has to be, we have to be comfortable and the planning board needs to know the direction of which the select board is comfortable in June really,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:34 - 1:42:35)
or sometime around then.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:35 - 1:42:36)
So.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:36 - 1:42:41)
While I totally understand that they are willing to give you more time and that's great,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:41 - 1:42:45)
I think for our comfort we need we need it sooner.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:45 - 1:43:01)
And it's a little chicken and egg, right? So I mean the only thing that makes sense right now is if the board is comfortable to give that full support to go and raise the money and that's what you're telling people because if you actually raise the money then it's going to be a reinforcing cycle,

[Speaker 2] (1:43:01 - 1:43:01)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:43:02 - 1:43:03)
So, of confidence.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:04 - 1:43:08)
If I could give you one last recommendation and then I'll hold the button and go back on mute.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:10 - 1:43:22)
I would set out a very strict process between now and the end of June so that you all and your partners here at the Historic Commission and Save the Glover are working in tandem on a timeline that my board can rely on.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:23 - 1:43:27)
Because again, I don't want one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:27 - 1:43:34)
And I think there could be some confusion if there's not a regimented process to have some of these potential ground leases, whatever,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:34 - 1:43:39)
worked out what our terms should be before that application is filed.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:41 - 1:43:46)
So are we saying that this is, and this could just be me, but this is clear as mud to me.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:46 - 1:43:54)
Are we saying that there needs to be X amount of dollars raised by June 30th or June 1st, whatever,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:55 - 1:44:03)
in order for this to continue? Is that the intent that we're implementing here?

[Speaker 4] (1:44:03 - 1:44:05)
Or are we just, is this philosophical? Is there some?

[Speaker 5] (1:44:06 - 1:44:12)
concrete number here that this group needs to raise in order to move forward with this project.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:12 - 1:44:12)
They don't know.

[Speaker 7] (1:44:12 - 1:44:13)
Can I just

[Speaker 5] (1:44:13 - 1:44:14)
So we don't know.

[Speaker 7] (1:44:14 - 1:44:16)
interrupt for a second?

[Speaker 7] (1:44:16 - 1:44:20)
Nancy's pointed out our fundraiser, major fundraiser Ron,

[Speaker 7] (1:44:20 - 1:44:26)
is actually on Zoom and he has his hand raised if you'll recognize him.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:26 - 1:44:28)
Sure, yes please, if you wouldn't mind unmuting him Shannon.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:33 - 1:44:33)
Everyone can

[Speaker 5] (1:44:33 - 1:44:33)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (1:44:33 - 1:44:33)
everyone

[Speaker 5] (1:44:33 - 1:44:34)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:34 - 1:44:34)
hear me?

[Speaker 4] (1:44:34 - 1:44:35)
We certainly can hear him.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:35 - 1:44:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:36 - 1:44:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:44:36 - 1:44:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:37 - 1:44:42)
I'm so I'm so sorry that I'm down here visiting my 80 year old parents in sunny Florida.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:42 - 1:44:43)
I apologize.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:43 - 1:44:44)
I'm not up there in the cold weather.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:45 - 1:44:47)
So my apologies for that.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:47 - 1:44:55)
But so I have been working with this ragtag group of residents here in beautiful Swan Scott for quite some time now. And

[Speaker 8] (1:44:56 - 1:45:07)
I just want to urge the committee to do all, or urge the board, excuse me, urge the select board to do all it can to support Save the Glubber.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:08 - 1:45:09)
I clearly,

[Speaker 8] (1:45:10 - 1:45:11)
just from this meeting,

[Speaker 8] (1:45:11 - 1:45:15)
you know, I do understand and forgive just,

[Speaker 8] (1:45:15 - 1:45:18)
you know, my misunderstanding of all the government speak.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:19 - 1:45:26)
But this is Swampscott's clearly we do not want to be part of the generation that takes this building down.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:26 - 1:45:28)
This is this is Swampscott's Mount Vernon.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:28 - 1:45:30)
This is Swampscott's Monticello.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:30 - 1:45:38)
This building in the 250th anniversary of our country is something that needs to stay and how we do that,

[Speaker 8] (1:45:38 - 1:45:45)
you know, is clearly up to up to all of us and how we move forward.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:45 - 1:45:48)
But I must tell you, this is something that has to stay.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:48 - 1:45:49)
It just has to.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:50 - 1:45:57)
We do not want to be part of the generation where this goat comes to pass because of height variance.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:59 - 1:46:02)
I must tell you that I do want to speak to the fundraising,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:02 - 1:46:06)
so just keep in mind there has been a lot of work, as a lot of people have mentioned,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:06 - 1:46:10)
lots of work of residents in the community to save this building,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:10 - 1:46:22)
and I'm hoping that the leadership of the town and of the other towns as well can step up and try to help this group of residents that are really, really moving forward to try to make all of this happen,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:22 - 1:46:25)
because as I said, it's going to be, it's a diamond in that community.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:26 - 1:46:36)
We have raised $500,000 in pledges, as we mentioned, $250,000 in seed money from national development,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:36 - 1:46:39)
which took a long process with them to get on board.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:40 - 1:46:41)
And,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:41 - 1:46:44)
you know, in terms of $2 million in philanthropy,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:44 - 1:46:46)
not really a whole heck of a lot of money,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:46 - 1:46:51)
to be honest with you. The timing of it, though, when you have a demolition date,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:51 - 1:46:54)
is something that is really...

[Speaker 8] (1:46:55 - 1:46:57)
You know that can speak to donors,

[Speaker 8] (1:46:57 - 1:47:01)
but it's coming up and we're getting a little nervous and

[Speaker 8] (1:47:02 - 1:47:05)
You know, I just want folks to understand

[Speaker 8] (1:47:06 - 1:47:13)
That we have put all of our energies to raise that money to save the building when we've just gotten our 501c3 in December

[Speaker 8] (1:47:14 - 1:47:17)
with help from our congressman Seth Moulton

[Speaker 8] (1:47:18 - 1:47:23)
You know, so we it's been three months that we've been raising money

[Speaker 8] (1:47:24 - 1:47:26)
And we already have half a million dollars.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:26 - 1:47:30)
So I think that there are a number of things that we can do moving forward,

[Speaker 8] (1:47:30 - 1:47:39)
you know, but what I, you know, the one thing that I truly did want to mention is that if we could have support of folks,

[Speaker 8] (1:47:39 - 1:47:43)
what I do is I used to be the director of corporate relations for the American Red Cross,

[Speaker 8] (1:47:43 - 1:47:46)
closing million dollar deals from all kinds of folks,

[Speaker 8] (1:47:46 - 1:47:53)
CEOs and C-suite executives. There's a lot of individuals in Marblehead and Swampscott that could pay.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:53 - 1:48:11)
you know write one check right now but we have to have the support of these towns that are going to be able to back us and without that I don't know because I've been reaching out to many folks outside of the town and national

[Speaker 8] (1:48:13 - 1:48:40)
than folks you may know and and you know it's it's sad that the one has to do that with such a specific important building in your town I am confident that we will raise the 1.5 million again that's not that's really not a it's kind of a non-issue the timing though and the demolition date is kind of an issue though and that's that's really where I kind of I'm a little frustrated with this process

[Speaker 8] (1:48:41 - 1:48:51)
And I just wanted to speak that a couple of things, and forgive me, I just wanted to speak that the money is not really that much of an issue.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:51 - 1:48:54)
It's something that we're going to get. It's something that we have to get.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:54 - 1:48:57)
And the folks that at Save the Glover are working very,

[Speaker 8] (1:48:57 - 1:49:02)
very hard along with me in legalizing ourselves with the 501c3,

[Speaker 8] (1:49:03 - 1:49:03)
writing grants,

[Speaker 8] (1:49:04 - 1:49:05)
asking folks for money,

[Speaker 8] (1:49:05 - 1:49:07)
moving and shaking. That's what we're doing.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:07 - 1:49:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:49:08 - 1:49:09)
You know, but in addition.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:31 - 1:49:57)
what we're going to do for for content just one thing but we you want you're you're asking us to choose sort of a number of things to develop these partnerships in in three months and to me that is just that's a really hard ask particularly when we're just trying to raise money to save the building and that in itself is a task especially when everyone's down here in Florida so meeting the donors

[Speaker 1] (1:49:58 - 1:50:02)
And so I just, you know, I just

[Speaker 2] (1:50:02 - 1:50:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:02 - 1:50:03)
want the board

[Speaker 3] (1:50:03 - 1:50:03)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:03 - 1:50:05)
to think that we can support.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:05 - 1:50:06)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:06 - 1:50:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:06 - 1:50:06)
please go ahead.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:06 - 1:50:07)
absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:07 - 1:50:08)
Thank you very much. Really,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:08 - 1:50:09)
really appreciate it.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:10 - 1:50:16)
So we can go on with this, I'm sure, for a long time, but we do have a lot of other.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:16 - 1:50:19)
Thank you very much. I really, really appreciate it.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:20 - 1:50:20)
So.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:21 - 1:50:22)
Someone can go on mute.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:23 - 1:50:28)
Okay, there we go. Um we have a lot of other items on the agenda. So I

[Speaker 4] (1:50:28 - 1:50:28)
We do.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:28 - 1:50:29)
wanna just

[Speaker 4] (1:50:29 - 1:50:29)
We do.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:29 - 1:50:40)
be cognisant of that. Um so uh I think unless people wanna more questions, I I put out uh kind of a three-prong

[Speaker 2] (1:50:40 - 1:50:48)
approach here to giving support kind of conditionally in a way for the next couple months.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:49 - 1:50:51)
I don't think there's a specific number,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:51 - 1:50:54)
Danielle, we can actually tag to it.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:54 - 1:50:58)
But I think my view is that we need to see significant progress.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:59 - 1:51:05)
You know, if you come back here in three months to whoever's on the board at that point with,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:05 - 1:51:07)
you know, that you're at $550,000.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:07 - 1:51:26)
from 500 that's going to say something right if you're at 750 that's going to say something else I don't personally say I don't personally think it's necessary to know definitely how much it's going to cost and definitely have raised all that money you know at that moment in time I think you need to show clear progress

[Speaker 2] (1:51:27 - 1:51:32)
knowing more clearly what it's going to cost, as much as you can determine that if you get access,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:32 - 1:51:35)
and showing clear progress in raising funds,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:35 - 1:51:39)
and having a better sense, maybe you don't have every single thing locked down forever,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:39 - 1:51:42)
but I would think the more you know about what's going to happen inside,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:42 - 1:51:44)
the better it's going to be for actually raising money.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:45 - 1:51:47)
So I think those go hand in hand.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:47 - 1:51:52)
And it doesn't frankly mean that you're going to be committed to exactly that use forever,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:52 - 1:51:56)
but I think having a clear concept of exactly what you're going to do will be helpful.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:56 - 1:52:04)
I'm coming back here in two months, but for now it's a two month basically letter of support, vote of support to say go get him.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:05 - 1:52:12)
I really don't understand w I'm sorry I'm just really not clear w what what is it that we're supporting. Like

[Speaker 2] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
Raising

[Speaker 5] (1:52:12 - 1:52:13)
I mean money supporting

[Speaker 2] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
so that uh yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:13 - 1:52:20)
yeah of course so you're saying are we in support of them raising money and trying to make this work, I think

[Speaker 5] (1:52:20 - 1:52:35)
I don't think this animates going to argue that, but anything further than that we don't have any other information as to what kind of a true liability will this be on the town between now and ninety nine years.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:36 - 1:52:38)
So I think we need to

[Speaker 2] (1:52:38 - 1:52:40)
Right, that's the lower threshold, I'm not I don't think this is

[Speaker 9] (1:52:40 - 1:52:41)
a vo vote of the

[Speaker 6] (1:52:41 - 1:52:42)
Like that the lower threshold.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:42 - 1:52:42)
Hmm?

[Speaker 2] (1:52:42 - 1:52:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:43 - 1:52:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:43 - 1:52:43)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:43 - 1:52:46)
Yeah, I don't I don't wanna go backwards 'cause I think we are moving in a good

[Speaker 7] (1:52:47 - 1:52:55)
this direction but I just think it would be tone deaf to not

[Speaker 7] (1:52:56 - 1:53:01)
To not talk about the financial issues we're having as a town in light of this conversation,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:01 - 1:53:06)
I think it has nothing to do with the historic significance of this building.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:06 - 1:53:16)
It has nothing to do with all the hard work and energy that you all are putting in. It is literally that the town cannot afford a track for our track runners and we are talking about potentially...

[Speaker 7] (1:53:18 - 1:53:26)
20 $20,000 a year for the next 900 94 years to subsidize a building that will become a museum and I I'm

[Speaker 5] (1:53:26 - 1:53:27)
That's room.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:27 - 1:53:27)
not No, trying

[Speaker 2] (1:53:27 - 1:53:27)
no,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:27 - 1:53:42)
no. no no hold on because they're going to subsidize the first five years so it would be sorry $5,000 for the next 94 years potentially if that's what it is we hope it's self-sustaining we hope all these things but I think like I am

[Speaker 7] (1:53:43 - 1:53:45)
Absolutely low threshold,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:45 - 1:53:46)
hard stamping.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:46 - 1:53:56)
Yes, please go forward and try to get to as close as possible to your $2 million goal so that we could feel really great about this being the diamond of Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:56 - 1:54:09)
But I also like we're not some we have a lot of problems on the table and we're not able to have diamonds sometimes we were able to just make the things that we have work right now. And I feel like

[Speaker 7] (1:54:10 - 1:54:15)
Based on the conversation that the direction that the fundraiser was going,

[Speaker 7] (1:54:15 - 1:54:24)
I just feel like it would be, I can't not talk about that and establish that because we have a lot of other issues that are very expensive.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:24 - 1:54:26)
We have a middle school that's falling apart.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:26 - 1:54:30)
We have a lot of other things that are going on here that are not school related to subsidize our own government.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
And

[Speaker 7] (1:54:32 - 1:54:33)
I just want to be thoughtful.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:33 - 1:54:43)
It is important to me that we do have a solid plan going forward that you're showing us how this will become self-sustaining so that it will not cost future taxpayers funds.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:43 - 1:54:45)
That is important to me.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:45 - 1:54:48)
So whether that's important to the other four members of the board,

[Speaker 7] (1:54:48 - 1:54:48)
that's fine.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:48 - 1:54:55)
But when you come back in two months, that is what I will be looking for to see to get to that next threshold.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:59 - 1:55:00)
So moved.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:02 - 1:55:03)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:04 - 1:55:29)
So I guess do we can take a vote right so yeah so I guess the the vote is to support you going forth and continuing your fundraising efforts with the full backing of the board and coming back to us sometime in late May to establish where we're at and to work in conjunction with the planning board ourselves and you guys to make sure that we have a solid timeline so that the planning board knows where it's going.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:29 - 1:55:30)
And what it's doing.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:31 - 1:55:31)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:32 - 1:55:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:32 - 1:55:33)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:33 - 1:55:33)
I move that.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:33 - 1:55:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:33 - 1:55:35)
Okay, so let's take a vote. All in

[Speaker 2] (1:55:35 - 1:55:35)
I'll

[Speaker 7] (1:55:35 - 1:55:35)
favor?

[Speaker 2] (1:55:35 - 1:55:36)
second. Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:36 - 1:55:37)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (1:55:37 - 1:55:37)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:37 - 1:55:38)
I?

[Speaker 5] (1:55:38 - 1:55:41)
I quite honestly don't know what I'm voting for,

[Speaker 7] (1:55:41 - 1:55:41)
I vote.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:41 - 1:55:42)
but I'm going to say aye.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:42 - 1:55:42)
Yes, for.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:42 - 1:55:43)
Normally I don't,

[Speaker 7] (1:55:43 - 1:55:44)
We got there.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:44 - 1:55:45)
I really don't, but I

[Speaker 7] (1:55:45 - 1:55:49)
All right, the next item is the discussion and possible vote on the 12-month demo delay.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:51 - 1:55:52)
Oh, no. Uh-huh.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:52 - 1:55:53)
Yes, well done here.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:54 - 1:56:03)
The historical commission had a meeting yesterday with the town council where we discussed the revisions of the bylaws, and just so you'll be aware,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:04 - 1:56:19)
um we we will go back to the historical commission and actually it was, uh I misspeaking, it was m um myself and and um just a couple of us and and so we're gonna have our meeting in April where we're it will go back again.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:21 - 1:56:26)
But where your question was about the 12-month demolition delay,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:27 - 1:56:38)
she had not commented on that because there were no issues for outside counsel on the 12-month demo delay. So I wanted to just mention that,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:38 - 1:56:41)
that it's been run by the Historical Commission,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:41 - 1:56:42)
it will be again,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:42 - 1:56:45)
but outside counsel...

[Speaker 10] (1:56:47 - 1:56:53)
felt that it was pretty standard and and um that's that's why it's it's

[Speaker 2] (1:56:53 - 1:56:56)
um I'm sorry, I have no idea what we're talking about

[Speaker 5] (1:56:56 - 1:56:56)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:56 - 1:56:56)
here. Is this

[Speaker 5] (1:56:56 - 1:56:56)
no,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:56 - 1:56:56)
what we

[Speaker 10] (1:56:56 - 1:56:56)
you have

[Speaker 2] (1:56:56 - 1:56:57)
want

[Speaker 5] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
I have

[Speaker 2] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
to talk

[Speaker 10] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
to

[Speaker 5] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
no idea.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
about or not?

[Speaker 7] (1:56:57 - 1:56:58)
Well, it's on the agenda.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:58 - 1:57:00)
we were asked to put it on yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:00 - 1:57:01)
Are you asking us

[Speaker 10] (1:57:01 - 1:57:02)
Could I just provide

[Speaker 7] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
Please

[Speaker 5] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
no.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
some

[Speaker 5] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
Yes,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
context

[Speaker 7] (1:57:02 - 1:57:03)
yes, please,

[Speaker 5] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
please,

[Speaker 10] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
please?

[Speaker 7] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
sorry, tell

[Speaker 2] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
it's

[Speaker 5] (1:57:03 - 1:57:03)
us, please.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:03 - 1:57:06)
and simply if we don't need to talk about it, let's just

[Speaker 5] (1:57:06 - 1:57:07)
Let's talk about it.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:08 - 1:57:08)
But if

[Speaker 5] (1:57:08 - 1:57:08)
If

[Speaker 10] (1:57:08 - 1:57:08)
there is

[Speaker 5] (1:57:08 - 1:57:11)
he's talking illegal if he's if you're talking illegal let's can we just

[Speaker 7] (1:57:11 - 1:57:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:11 - 1:57:11)
get this guy?

[Speaker 2] (1:57:11 - 1:57:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:12 - 1:57:12)
So she

[Speaker 7] (1:57:12 - 1:57:13)
sh Wait, Nick, please.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:13 - 1:57:26)
Yeah, so the idea with having this discussion tonight is that we had folks here from the Historical Commission. They have had conversations to make sure it is anticipated as a potential article for the town meeting warrant.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:27 - 1:57:27)
So

[Speaker 11] (1:57:28 - 1:57:34)
Rather than rushing through all of these at the end, the idea was because they have had a conversation with Robin I think it was,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:34 - 1:57:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:34 - 1:57:39)
who was right? Uh who does land use uh for us, um we wanted it

[Speaker 2] (1:57:39 - 1:57:41)
I'm sorry to interrupt. This is not just about the Glover.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:41 - 1:57:42)
This is in general

[Speaker 11] (1:57:42 - 1:57:42)
this is the this

[Speaker 2] (1:57:42 - 1:57:42)
about demolition

[Speaker 11] (1:57:42 - 1:57:42)
is

[Speaker 7] (1:57:42 - 1:57:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:42 - 1:57:43)
separate

[Speaker 2] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
of buildings.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:43 - 1:57:44)
separate and apart

[Speaker 7] (1:57:44 - 1:57:44)
It's

[Speaker 11] (1:57:44 - 1:57:45)
from correct. the Glover.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:45 - 1:57:45)
It's correct.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:46 - 1:57:48)
In our plan

[Speaker 7] (1:57:48 - 1:57:48)
What is

[Speaker 10] (1:57:48 - 1:57:48)
after

[Speaker 7] (1:57:48 - 1:57:49)
the current demo delay?

[Speaker 11] (1:57:49 - 1:57:50)
nine months

[Speaker 7] (1:57:50 - 1:57:52)
The current demo delay is nine months.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:52 - 1:57:52)
It's nine months,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:52 - 1:57:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:53 - 1:57:53)
twelve,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:53 - 1:57:56)
So this would be extending it an additional three three months.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:56 - 1:57:56)
months,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:56 - 1:57:56)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:56 - 1:57:57)
and

[Speaker 10] (1:57:57 - 1:57:57)
which is

[Speaker 7] (1:57:57 - 1:57:59)
it would be a bylaw for the town.

[Speaker 10] (1:57:59 - 1:58:00)
Correct,

[Speaker 7] (1:58:00 - 1:58:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:00 - 1:58:12)
among other changes and what after the meeting with the Historical Commission in April you would receive a red line version along with a plain version.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:12 - 1:58:16)
for that would be suitable for town meeting purposes.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:16 - 1:58:26)
So I believe the reason you've brought it up is because we want it on the town meeting warrant and need to be sure that everything's tied up.

[Speaker 10] (1:58:26 - 1:58:41)
So the discussion with outside counsel happened and our next step would be to go back to the Historical Commission to the full commission to discuss all of her recommendations and finalize it and get it

[Speaker 1] (1:58:42 - 1:58:43)
to you for the war.

[Speaker 11] (1:58:43 - 1:58:53)
This was an opportunity for you all to be able to ask questions of them at this point, that that was ideally just to wrap, finish up the description of why we had added it. We can do whatever you would like.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:54 - 1:59:04)
The question I h I have a qu the question I have is wh why do we need it, why do we want to put something like this on the warrant, we have a nine month demolition de delay.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:17 - 1:59:23)
There it it's more than just that the definitions have been cleaned up we

[Speaker 2] (1:59:24 - 1:59:38)
I know I've been on the historical commission for a number of years now, as have others, and like any other set of bylaws, they definitions need to be cleaned up.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:39 - 1:59:45)
The demolition delay is typically anywhere from 12 to 18 months,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:45 - 1:59:47)
and we're recommending 12.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:50 - 1:59:52)
That standard is definitely

[Speaker 1] (1:59:52 - 1:59:55)
So ours has always been nine, and now we're recommending twelve.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:55 - 1:59:56)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:56 - 1:59:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:56 - 1:59:57)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:59:57 - 2:00:01)
Well, do we know why it was nine or why it wasn't the standard, or why it just

[Speaker 3] (2:00:01 - 2:00:01)
Excuse

[Speaker 1] (2:00:01 - 2:00:01)
has always?

[Speaker 3] (2:00:01 - 2:00:04)
me, would the board allow me to speak? My name is Brad Graham.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:04 - 2:00:06)
I'm the secretary of the historical commission.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:06 - 2:00:08)
Could you just grab Leigh Ann's microphone?

[Speaker 3] (2:00:08 - 2:00:09)
Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:09 - 2:00:10)
Oh, thank you, Ted.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:10 - 2:00:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:10 - 2:00:11)
Either works. Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:11 - 2:00:18)
You're going to get me in stereo. Um, I respectfully suggest that this not be discussed at this point.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:18 - 2:00:24)
point the historical commission has not taken a final vote on the proposed language for the changes to the bylaw.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:24 - 2:00:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:24 - 2:00:29)
So I would suggest that uh the select board allow us to do that before presenting it to you.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:29 - 2:00:30)
Let's table it.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30)
Fair enough.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:30 - 2:00:31)
Okay. Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:00:31 - 2:00:33)
yeah, good. we can absolutely table it. I think

[Speaker 5] (2:00:33 - 2:00:33)
Oh, hard to support.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:33 - 2:00:42)
uh when you come back to discuss this with us, it would be great to know answers like what benefit is it going to give you out from nine to twelve months.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:42 - 2:00:44)
I mean, me,

[Speaker 4] (2:00:44 - 2:00:45)
I feel like

[Speaker 4] (2:00:45 - 2:00:47)
because it's on the agenda and we can talk about it.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:49 - 2:00:53)
I would want to see some benefits that we are gaining,

[Speaker 4] (2:00:53 - 2:00:54)
not just definitional changes,

[Speaker 4] (2:00:54 - 2:01:01)
but an actual benefit to extending it, because to me it feels like I don't see a benefit in it right now.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:01 - 2:01:01)
So anyway.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:01 - 2:01:02)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:02 - 2:01:03)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:03 - 2:01:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:04 - 2:01:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:04 - 2:01:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:06 - 2:01:13)
Moving on then to item number three, discussion and possible vote on the town action related to ICE and the federal immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:14 - 2:01:15)
Thank you, Chief, for joining us.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:16 - 2:01:19)
So if I can just, before I turn it over to the chief,

[Speaker 6] (2:01:19 - 2:01:26)
the policy has been revised through his continued efforts with both the other chiefs in the state and with the town council.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:29 - 2:01:45)
I think what we plan is that the chief can walk through the highlights, you all can ask questions, and then we can also speak a little bit to the further discussion that has been communicated in the past we might want to engage in about activities in town of federal agents.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:46 - 2:01:48)
Sure, maybe we could just give folks a minute

[Speaker 6] (2:01:48 - 2:01:48)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:48 - 2:01:52)
to leave so that we're not causing any commotion on the sides. That would be great.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:02 - 2:02:03)
Good evening.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:03 - 2:02:08)
I'm usually counting sheep in the next 30 minutes, so I will keep this brief for you.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:09 - 2:02:13)
So I have been asked by the town administrator,

[Speaker 6] (2:02:13 - 2:02:14)
by this elect board,

[Speaker 6] (2:02:14 - 2:02:22)
by yourselves to come up with a policy for Swamp Scout Police Department involving federal immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:23 - 2:02:24)
To give a high level,

[Speaker 6] (2:02:24 - 2:02:29)
I understand that you already may have the draft policy.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:29 - 2:02:31)
It's about five pages long,

[Speaker 6] (2:02:31 - 2:02:35)
and I will give you a high level overview of the policy.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:36 - 2:02:37)
In summation,

[Speaker 6] (2:02:37 - 2:02:43)
the policy emphasizes that civil immigration laws are the responsibility of the federal government.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:44 - 2:02:50)
Officers are prohibited from inquiring about any individual's immigration status.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:51 - 2:03:05)
Now, this policy states that it does not preclude the Swampscott Police Department from working with federal officials when it involves a criminal arrest warrants or any issues involving national security.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:06 - 2:03:09)
Also in this policy,

[Speaker 7] (2:03:09 - 2:03:11)
officers are prohibited.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:12 - 2:03:29)
From detaining individuals solely based on civil immigration detainers, and that is aligned with our laws of the Lund decision as outlined by the Supreme Judicial Court. As a general reminder,

[Speaker 7] (2:03:29 - 2:03:34)
all law enforcement agencies automatically share...

[Speaker 7] (2:03:34 - 2:03:36)
With federal agencies,

[Speaker 7] (2:03:36 - 2:03:37)
fingerprints.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:38 - 2:03:53)
So when fingerprints are taken with the 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States, that is automatically shared with the Department of Justice as outlined by federal policy.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:56 - 2:04:02)
In essence, this policy outlines procedures for our officers in handling ICE-related calls,

[Speaker 7] (2:04:03 - 2:04:12)
any resident inquiries, and any after-action reporting items as necessitated by yourself, the board,

[Speaker 7] (2:04:12 - 2:04:13)
the town administrator,

[Speaker 7] (2:04:13 - 2:04:14)
and myself.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:15 - 2:04:18)
So I am happy to take any questions that you may have.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:23 - 2:04:23)
Chief.

[Speaker 3] (2:04:25 - 2:04:45)
Just a question, you know, one of the discussions that we had had at at at our one of our previous meetings, they're all kind of blended together at this point, but uh we had talked about um the uh, you know, preventing uh the assembly of ice on town property, which was discussed previously. I didn't see that mentioned in this.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:45 - 2:04:47)
In this particular policy,

[Speaker 8] (2:04:47 - 2:04:50)
is that going to be handled in a different manner or?

[Speaker 7] (2:04:50 - 2:04:54)
That is something that in speaking with our legal counsel,

[Speaker 7] (2:04:54 - 2:04:56)
that is something that, again,

[Speaker 7] (2:04:56 - 2:04:58)
uncharted territory right now.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:59 - 2:05:01)
I know that the governor.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:02 - 2:05:08)
has signed an executive order preventing ICE from entering state-owned facilities,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:09 - 2:05:14)
much like Boston has also done with their property.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:16 - 2:05:19)
What we have to be careful of,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:19 - 2:05:20)
again,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:20 - 2:05:23)
state sovereignty and the laws that govern.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:25 - 2:05:33)
Federal, that governed immigration enforcement for the federal government and us not hindering, impeding federal officials.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:34 - 2:05:43)
So that's always a tug-of-war battle that has not been tested yet in the courts. In keeping up with immigration items,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:43 - 2:05:45)
Senator Lindsey from,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:45 - 2:05:47)
I believe, Louisiana,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:48 - 2:05:50)
Lindsey Graham,

[Speaker 7] (2:05:50 - 2:05:51)
I'm sorry, just.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:53 - 2:06:14)
has a new legislation that would that the federal government would enforce that officers or local officials who hinder impede interfere and do not fulfill ICE detainer requests should be held criminally liable and that is currently in Congress right now.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:14 - 2:06:16)
Yeah, so that's outrageous.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:16 - 2:06:18)
I mean, go ahead. It's ridiculous.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:19 - 2:06:31)
I mean, I'm sorry, chief, but I mean, just because Lindsey Graham files a bill doesn't necessarily mean that's what we shouldn't be responding to right now. Okay, so that was not a, in my perspective, that was not a great reference point for you.

[Speaker 7] (2:06:31 - 2:06:33)
I understand that,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:33 - 2:06:33)
but I

[Speaker 3] (2:06:33 - 2:06:33)
I understand,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:33 - 2:06:34)
am telling you the tug

[Speaker 3] (2:06:34 - 2:06:34)
I'm saying

[Speaker 7] (2:06:34 - 2:06:35)
of war and

[Speaker 3] (2:06:35 - 2:06:35)
that

[Speaker 7] (2:06:35 - 2:06:35)
the balance

[Speaker 3] (2:06:35 - 2:06:35)
all

[Speaker 7] (2:06:35 - 2:06:35)
between,

[Speaker 3] (2:06:35 - 2:06:37)
of this feels like pretty watered down,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:37 - 2:06:37)
yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:37 - 2:06:38)
actually.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:38 - 2:06:40)
I feel like you're being very tepid here.

[Speaker 3] (2:06:40 - 2:06:47)
I think you're hiding behind like all of the possible infractions that could happen out there.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:47 - 2:06:53)
And that you're, you haven't really taken the instruction from the board about what we actually asked you to look into,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:54 - 2:07:01)
which was not using town property for any, as much as possible to not support these operations.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:02 - 2:07:06)
And as far as I see here, all of this is basically like,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:06 - 2:07:12)
we won't actively help, but there's, there's.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:13 - 2:07:18)
You're saying this is unchartered waters, but there are plenty of communities here in this state,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:18 - 2:07:20)
including the state itself,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:20 - 2:07:24)
that have taken more aggressive stands than what I see here, if I understand correctly.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:24 - 2:07:26)
Could I just comment very quickly?

[Speaker 6] (2:07:26 - 2:07:32)
Well, we discussed previously, and this is, I think, partially addressed what you're saying.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:32 - 2:07:38)
The policy that the chief has worked on is direction to the police department and not how they should be interacting.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:38 - 2:07:40)
And it is in line with what other communities are doing.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:41 - 2:08:07)
on the police police enforcement side and police involvement in any type of immigration action. The the larger issue of using town property or entering town property there are communities that have done it they are primarily cities and it's been a decision of the chief executive of the city the individual saying I'm making this policy decision and this is what I how I would like to move forward there are a handful of towns Brookline among them that have also done it so there

[Speaker 6] (2:08:07 - 2:08:11)
It is primarily places where there's a single chief executive that's making that statement.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:11 - 2:08:16)
The direction and the feedback that we've given to the chief,

[Speaker 6] (2:08:16 - 2:08:17)
I think he has followed exactly,

[Speaker 6] (2:08:17 - 2:08:21)
which was to make sure that it is very clear for the police department how and what they should be doing.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
I just want to,

[Speaker 6] (2:08:22 - 2:08:27)
he's responding to my request and my understanding of these discussions.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:28 - 2:08:33)
The idea of using town property or prohibiting it is something that is potentially problematic.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:34 - 2:08:37)
because we do not know what the reaction to that will be.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:37 - 2:08:50)
And I don't think that we would be fair to say that the chief is the one that should make that decision on whether or not we want to risk that, if you think it's a risk or not, if you don't think it's a risk, that's understandable as well,

[Speaker 6] (2:08:50 - 2:08:55)
on how the federal government may react to communities that make those determinations on their own.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:55 - 2:08:59)
We're not trying to say that we should not do that, but what we had asked the chief to do was work...

[Speaker 2] (2:09:10 - 2:09:13)
Okay, well uh then just let me let me say my frustration at you is

[Speaker 1] (2:09:13 - 2:09:14)
It should

[Speaker 2] (2:09:14 - 2:09:14)
directed

[Speaker 1] (2:09:14 - 2:09:14)
be over here.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:14 - 2:09:21)
at you. Um okay uh just to clarify. Um because I don't believe that this was the question.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:21 - 2:09:33)
uh I I from my perspective the chief has been saying the same thing about like what the law says in this case the Lund case and you know what they can't do or can't do that that that's

[Speaker 2] (2:09:35 - 2:09:39)
been repeated over and over again. I don't think that's so much what this board was asking for.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:39 - 2:09:41)
This is a small portion of that, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:41 - 2:09:46)
This was make sure there's a policy in place so that our officers know what they're supposed to do.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:46 - 2:09:51)
Communicate that policy to the community so the community knows what the officers are supposed to do.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:51 - 2:09:51)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:51 - 2:09:52)
But aside from that,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:53 - 2:09:59)
what else can we do to limit the ability for...

[Speaker 3] (2:10:02 - 2:10:05)
Isolate to come into our community and involve

[Speaker 3] (2:10:07 - 2:10:28)
themselves in a manner that this community wishes it not to be involved in so that is that's the piece that you're talking about Nick and that's the frustration that Doug is I think communicating and as the chief policy folks of the town these five people sitting in front of us the ask is show us what other towns have done

[Speaker 3] (2:10:30 - 2:10:35)
Help us understand what the risks are and then let us make that decision, I guess. Is that fair?

[Speaker 2] (2:10:36 - 2:10:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:36 - 2:10:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:38 - 2:10:46)
I will be clear. The risks are basically unknown. And so I don't want to prolong the frustration. I will happily compile,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:46 - 2:10:48)
circulate, and we can discuss them.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:48 - 2:10:54)
But the risks are going to be that we don't know how they will react. And so it's

[Speaker 1] (2:10:55 - 2:10:57)
That's a piece it will be missing when they come back.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:57 - 2:10:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:10:57 - 2:10:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:58 - 2:10:58)
no,

[Speaker 7] (2:10:58 - 2:10:58)
Of course.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:58 - 2:10:58)
understood.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:58 - 2:10:58)
They want

[Speaker 3] (2:10:58 - 2:10:59)
But obviously

[Speaker 1] (2:10:59 - 2:10:59)
me to tell you that.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:59 - 2:11:00)
We're taking a risk,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:00 - 2:11:00)
there yes,

[Speaker 7] (2:11:00 - 2:11:00)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:11:00 - 2:11:06)
yes, it's this it will be a uncalculated risk because we don't know all the answers,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:06 - 2:11:12)
but obviously there are some theories of what the risks might be, right? Like it's

[Speaker 1] (2:11:12 - 2:11:13)
It's impact on

[Speaker 3] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
impacting,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
federal funding.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:13 - 2:11:14)
it's impacting

[Speaker 1] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
That's the

[Speaker 3] (2:11:14 - 2:11:15)
federal funding

[Speaker 1] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
is the number

[Speaker 1] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:11:15 - 2:11:16)
one risk,

[Speaker 1] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
most

[Speaker 3] (2:11:16 - 2:11:16)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:11:16 - 2:11:17)
specific yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:17 - 2:11:21)
But if any one of us can sit here and predict what type of

[Speaker 7] (2:11:22 - 2:11:26)
action would be taken by this federal government against any town.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:26 - 2:11:38)
I mean we'd we'd be magicians, right? Now we have no idea, right? We we're tasked with balancing what's right um in protecting the people that live here and standing up for what is right and

[Speaker 7] (2:11:39 - 2:11:48)
trying to also protect them from federal harm, which could be God knows what, you know. But it's a tricky situation,

[Speaker 7] (2:11:48 - 2:11:55)
and I appreciate your really trying to make us aware of the risk and not put us in a vulnerable position.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:56 - 2:12:02)
But at the same time, it's one of those things where it's either put up or shut up sometimes, and, you know, we...

[Speaker 7] (2:12:03 - 2:12:16)
I think the majority of people in in our town do not want to be put in a situation where they're not protected, right, and their their rights are trampled on, even though it's happening, you know, everywhere you look in this country sadly,

[Speaker 7] (2:12:17 - 2:12:23)
um you know we still at some point have to stand up for what's right, so but I appreciate both of what you were trying to do too.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:24 - 2:12:28)
Yeah, I just think we we aren't going to know all the answers, but let's talk about it

[Speaker 3] (2:12:29 - 2:12:30)
more concretely to

[Speaker 7] (2:12:30 - 2:12:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:30 - 2:12:32)
understand what other technologies

[Speaker 7] (2:12:32 - 2:12:32)
Comparable towns,

[Speaker 3] (2:12:32 - 2:12:33)
were promoted

[Speaker 7] (2:12:33 - 2:12:33)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:12:33 - 2:12:33)
yeah

[Speaker 7] (2:12:33 - 2:12:39)
So not not like Salem, not like Boston, not like Brooklyn, the big cities, but what are the smaller towns doing, if anything? Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:39 - 2:12:42)
And that I can say with relative confidence.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:42 - 2:12:47)
Towns are not taking an action in the same way that a Chelsea or

[Speaker 7] (2:12:47 - 2:12:47)
Boston Sure,

[Speaker 7] (2:12:47 - 2:12:48)
out of fear,

[Speaker 7] (2:12:48 - 2:12:48)
I'm sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:48 - 2:12:48)
or

[Speaker 7] (2:12:48 - 2:12:49)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:49 - 2:12:50)
even a

[Speaker 1] (2:12:50 - 2:12:51)
The governor can do,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:51 - 2:12:51)
yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:12:51 - 2:12:51)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:51 - 2:12:53)
and it is out of fear, but

[Speaker 7] (2:12:53 - 2:12:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:53 - 2:13:01)
I I only say that so that I don't further the frustration. I want i we can definitely do the research, compile it, we'll do all of it,

[Speaker 7] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:01 - 2:13:14)
and then you can determine what you think is the community that's most like, but ours and the situation that we're in, I just want to make sure that you understand like I'm not gonna be able to give you the rundown of here are the risks that people are weighing, because it's really that unknown. They I think we all know what it is in the back of our head,

[Speaker 3] (2:13:14 - 2:13:15)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:15 - 2:13:16)
but I don't want to tell you it's one thing and find out

[Speaker 1] (2:13:17 - 2:13:18)
It's something no one could have conceived

[Speaker 2] (2:13:18 - 2:13:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:19 - 2:13:19)
of.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:19 - 2:13:22)
I'm not Yeah. so sure it's because they are a city.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:23 - 2:13:26)
I think it's probably because they have very diverse populations

[Speaker 7] (2:13:26 - 2:13:26)
Populations. Sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:26 - 2:13:28)
that they're protecting.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:28 - 2:13:34)
So I'm not sure that their risks are, you know, yeah, do they have generally more financial wherewithal,

[Speaker 2] (2:13:34 - 2:13:37)
but they probably have a lot more federal funds at risk than we do too.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:37 - 2:13:38)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:38 - 2:13:41)
So, you know, let's see some model.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:42 - 2:13:44)
aggressive

[Speaker 2] (2:13:45 - 2:13:46)
policies.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:46 - 2:13:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:46 - 2:13:50)
I mean, for sure, for sure KP already has this information because they've given

[Speaker 7] (2:13:50 - 2:13:50)
Of it course.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:50 - 2:13:51)
out to other towns.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:51 - 2:13:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:51 - 2:13:53)
So like, let's just look

[Speaker 7] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
It

[Speaker 3] (2:13:53 - 2:13:53)
at it.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:53 - 2:13:56)
shouldn't be reinventing the wheel here. It shouldn't be that difficult to do,

[Speaker 8] (2:13:56 - 2:13:56)
Copy

[Speaker 7] (2:13:56 - 2:13:57)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:13:57 - 2:13:57)
and paste to

[Speaker 7] (2:13:57 - 2:13:58)
Yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:58 - 2:13:59)
some extent.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:59 - 2:13:59)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:00 - 2:14:04)
I just, have we had situations with ICE in our community?

[Speaker 2] (2:14:04 - 2:14:10)
We've had probably three instances where they were staging on

[Speaker 2] (2:14:11 - 2:14:25)
on police department property and we confronted them asking them what they were doing asked them to identify themselves and I know in one of the situations where I was involved in they were looking for somebody with a criminal warrant

[Speaker 2] (2:14:28 - 2:14:54)
You know even on that I just have to say you know a lot of this is pretext you know so like I would really not just about using property but even even this type of you know frankly half the time it's maybe probably more than half time it's just garbage you know that people are coming up with like you know old traffic infractions and stuff like that like just because they say it's a criminal thing you know I'd like to see what other towns are doing and their cities are doing in that.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:54 - 2:15:03)
in that regard too in terms of the level of cooperation that's actually really necessary because they're they're abusing the power right now

[Speaker 7] (2:15:03 - 2:15:06)
I mean, is it standard like a judicial warrant or right?

[Speaker 11] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
Correct.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:06 - 2:15:07)
When I say criminal,

[Speaker 11] (2:15:07 - 2:15:09)
I don't mean it's just an immigration detainer.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:09 - 2:15:09)
right

[Speaker 11] (2:15:09 - 2:15:11)
It is a criminal violation.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:11 - 2:15:12)
There has to be

[Speaker 11] (2:15:12 - 2:15:12)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:15:12 - 2:15:12)
a judicial warrant.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:12 - 2:15:18)
they have federal authority to arrest anybody with a criminal violation.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:20 - 2:15:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:21 - 2:15:36)
Yeah, we I mean to the extent that we have to be sensitive to that to our residents. We also want to be sensitive to our police officers too, and I I am cautious about putting them in a situation that is going to bring them in a position of harm at all, right?

[Speaker 7] (2:15:36 - 2:15:41)
W they live here too, right? And they're the ones that are tasked with being that middleman go between,

[Speaker 7] (2:15:41 - 2:15:46)
right? So I think there are a lot of players here. It's not just as easy as coming up with something,

[Speaker 7] (2:15:46 - 2:15:46)
you know.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:46 - 2:15:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:47 - 2:15:49)
Um so I'm sensitive to that piece.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:49 - 2:15:49)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:49 - 2:15:50)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:15:50 - 2:15:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:50 - 2:15:55)
that was the idea behind having a policy that is reasonable in that sense to them.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:55 - 2:15:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:55 - 2:15:55)
It meets

[Speaker 7] (2:15:55 - 2:15:55)
And enforceable,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:55 - 2:15:56)
what you would

[Speaker 7] (2:15:56 - 2:15:56)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:56 - 2:16:04)
like, but gives them clear guidelines on how we want them and expect them to act and also reflects the legal realities that they're operating within.

[Speaker 7] (2:16:04 - 2:16:04)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:04 - 2:16:05)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:05 - 2:16:06)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (2:16:06 - 2:16:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:07 - 2:16:08)
Okay, so um

[Speaker 7] (2:16:08 - 2:16:09)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:09 - 2:16:15)
I guess the the on the agenda is potentially a vote on this. I think we should

[Speaker 3] (2:16:16 - 2:16:18)
Probably hold and review it. Have

[Speaker 10] (2:16:18 - 2:16:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:19 - 2:16:32)
comments on it if there is go through the town administrator on the policy um i think there's one comment on here related uh that sort of came over i don't know if it was resolved but hopefully it will be resolved by the time we meet on it next

[Speaker 1] (2:16:32 - 2:16:32)
Yeah

[Speaker 3] (2:16:32 - 2:16:36)
and then we can take a vote on instituting this as a town policy um

[Speaker 10] (2:16:36 - 2:16:37)
Yep

[Speaker 3] (2:16:37 - 2:16:45)
and that way our police officers will have a standard by which we all are behind so that they can operate um in this regard and then we will ask

[Speaker 3] (2:16:46 - 2:16:50)
the town administrator to come back with that additional ask and

[Speaker 2] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:50 - 2:16:55)
yeah we'll go from there thank you

[Speaker 3] (2:16:55 - 2:16:56)
Thank you, Chief.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:56 - 2:16:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:57 - 2:16:58)
Good night.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:58 - 2:16:59)
I know.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:00 - 2:17:01)
Lucky you.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:02 - 2:17:05)
So now we are on to item number four, citizens petition warrant.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:06 - 2:17:08)
This was at the request of the town clerk.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:08 - 2:17:13)
It's just as part of the process that we go through in putting together the warrant, which it's not yet open.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:13 - 2:17:19)
But these are the ones that had the requisite number of signatures so that they will ultimately be on the warrant. We just wanted you all to be aware of them.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:20 - 2:17:26)
Um these are the citizen-led petitions. Um there were three, they were submitted, they all had enough signatures.

[Speaker 10] (2:17:26 - 2:17:27)
So do we need to do anything with

[Speaker 1] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
No.

[Speaker 10] (2:17:27 - 2:17:28)
these?

[Speaker 3] (2:17:28 - 2:17:32)
So we do not vote on citizen petitions. We do not table votes even support when it comes in the warrant.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:32 - 2:17:33)
Correct. You

[Speaker 3] (2:17:33 - 2:17:36)
A citizen's petition we typically do not. Sometimes we

[Speaker 1] (2:17:36 - 2:17:37)
you can if you would like to within

[Speaker 3] (2:17:37 - 2:17:38)
But we historically

[Speaker 1] (2:17:38 - 2:17:38)
the law.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:38 - 2:17:38)
have Great. not.

[Speaker 10] (2:17:38 - 2:17:46)
We historically haven't. I do there are there are two there s two things in here. There is one citizens petition that actually

[Speaker 10] (2:17:46 - 2:17:52)
This request came in front of us in the fall and this has actually been brought to us from,

[Speaker 10] (2:17:52 - 2:17:54)
oh,

[Speaker 10] (2:17:54 - 2:17:55)
I don't think it's a conservation commission,

[Speaker 10] (2:17:55 - 2:17:57)
but there's another conservancy.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:57 - 2:17:58)
Which which one we have

[Speaker 3] (2:17:58 - 2:17:58)
Conservation.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:58 - 2:17:58)
here?

[Speaker 10] (2:17:58 - 2:18:00)
The first, I'm talking about the first one.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:00 - 2:18:00)
Conservancy,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:00 - 2:18:01)
Conservancy. Yeah, I believe

[Speaker 10] (2:18:01 - 2:18:06)
the prohibit the use of anticoagulant rodenticides of town property.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:07 - 2:18:13)
That one, I actually would prefer not to see it in the citizens petition section but in our regular

[Speaker 10] (2:18:14 - 2:18:22)
warrant that would be from the select board. That's something we've talked about as a select board for two years. It was our past town administrator was very

[Speaker 3] (2:18:22 - 2:18:22)
I think,

[Speaker 10] (2:18:23 - 2:18:23)
positive on

[Speaker 3] (2:18:23 - 2:18:24)
correct me

[Speaker 10] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24)
that.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:24 - 2:18:27)
if I'm wrong, Juno said we already follow this. This would just make it a bylaw.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:27 - 2:18:28)
I've actually talked to Deb about it.

[Speaker 7] (2:18:28 - 2:18:28)
That's just

[Speaker 1] (2:18:28 - 2:18:28)
It's

[Speaker 7] (2:18:28 - 2:18:28)
regular.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:28 - 2:18:34)
to make sure it from her point of view that when it's not Gino and Max who have been great partners in doing this.

[Speaker 7] (2:18:34 - 2:18:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:34 - 2:18:38)
that we are bound to do it with

[Speaker 10] (2:18:38 - 2:18:38)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:18:38 - 2:18:38)
future

[Speaker 10] (2:18:38 - 2:18:38)
undergo

[Speaker 1] (2:18:38 - 2:18:38)
facilities

[Speaker 10] (2:18:38 - 2:18:39)
far.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:39 - 2:18:40)
and DPW directors.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:40 - 2:18:43)
So with the question that you're asking,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:43 - 2:18:49)
I can talk to both Katie and KP to see if it's something that can she withdraw if we know that it's going on.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:49 - 2:18:51)
I'll work out the details of how that would

[Speaker 10] (2:18:51 - 2:18:53)
Or I just want to see it in the regular,

[Speaker 10] (2:18:53 - 2:18:54)
not in the

[Speaker 2] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:18:55 - 2:18:56)
Citizens

[Speaker 4] (2:18:56 - 2:18:57)
But if it's a citizen's petition,

[Speaker 4] (2:18:57 - 2:18:59)
isn't hasn't that train already left the station?

[Speaker 1] (2:18:59 - 2:19:00)
That's what I that's wanted.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:00 - 2:19:00)
what No, they

[Speaker 1] (2:19:00 - 2:19:01)
That's what I was just saying,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
I'll ask.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:01 - 2:19:02)
but these

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
they.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
got to clarify,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:03)
Right, but

[Speaker 3] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
which

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
a citizen

[Speaker 3] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
PP.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:04)
petition can be withdrawn.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:04 - 2:19:05)
If we commit

[Speaker 1] (2:19:05 - 2:19:05)
If

[Speaker 3] (2:19:05 - 2:19:05)
putting

[Speaker 1] (2:19:05 - 2:19:06)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:19:06 - 2:19:06)
it in

[Speaker 2] (2:19:06 - 2:19:06)
If

[Speaker 3] (2:19:06 - 2:19:06)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:19:06 - 2:19:06)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:19:06 - 2:19:06)
warrant,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:06 - 2:19:06)
commit.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:06 - 2:19:06)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:06 - 2:19:08)
then the citizen would withdraw their petition

[Speaker 2] (2:19:08 - 2:19:08)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:08 - 2:19:14)
for the guardian to warrant and then we would then we would take a stance on it uh and we would review it

[Speaker 2] (2:19:14 - 2:19:14)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:14 - 2:19:15)
like any other warrant article.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:16 - 2:19:16)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:19:16 - 2:19:16)
Whereas

[Speaker 3] (2:19:16 - 2:19:16)
then

[Speaker 1] (2:19:16 - 2:19:18)
right now all you do is place it on the warrant

[Speaker 4] (2:19:18 - 2:19:18)
Got

[Speaker 1] (2:19:18 - 2:19:18)
when that

[Speaker 4] (2:19:18 - 2:19:19)
it. Yeah, I'd

[Speaker 1] (2:19:19 - 2:19:19)
time comes.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:19 - 2:19:20)
be fine with that.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:20 - 2:19:21)
Yeah, I'd be fine with that also.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:21 - 2:19:22)
And then.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:22 - 2:19:29)
And the other one that I just have a concern with is the third one, which is the fire,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:29 - 2:19:30)
Fireman.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:30 - 2:19:31)
fire ban.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:32 - 2:19:37)
And the only reason I'm bringing this up is this is a proposal from the Board of Health.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:37 - 2:19:51)
And I'm not commenting that I'm s because I'm bringing this up does not mean I'm in support of it. I'm just saying this is from the Board of Health and I just question whether or not it should be under citizen petition or if it should be in the normal warrant.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:51 - 2:19:51)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:19:51 - 2:19:52)
Well, if

[Speaker 2] (2:19:52 - 2:19:52)
A advance.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:52 - 2:19:52)
may

[Speaker 3] (2:19:52 - 2:19:53)
Well, it is citizen's

[Speaker 1] (2:19:53 - 2:19:53)
I?

[Speaker 3] (2:19:53 - 2:19:54)
petition.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:54 - 2:19:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:55 - 2:19:59)
I believe they put it forward as a citizen petition because there was

[Speaker 1] (2:19:59 - 2:20:02)
Potentially disagreement when they were discussing it,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:02 - 2:20:02)
We knew

[Speaker 1] (2:20:02 - 2:20:03)
and

[Speaker 3] (2:20:03 - 2:20:04)
they were discussing No, when they were

[Speaker 1] (2:20:04 - 2:20:04)
not you.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:04 - 2:20:04)
discussing

[Speaker 2] (2:20:04 - 2:20:05)
Oh, when they

[Speaker 3] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
it,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
were

[Speaker 3] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
discussing

[Speaker 3] (2:20:05 - 2:20:06)
council was

[Speaker 2] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
it.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
discussing it.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:06 - 2:20:09)
Uh I don't know that it was a unanimous vote or not. I

[Speaker 3] (2:20:09 - 2:20:09)
can Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:09 - 2:20:09)
run that

[Speaker 3] (2:20:09 - 2:20:09)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:20:09 - 2:20:10)
down as well.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:10 - 2:20:10)
vote was two one.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:11 - 2:20:12)
We have to report that.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
So I think that

[Speaker 1] (2:20:13 - 2:20:18)
You know, this is something that they did in order to make sure that it would make it onto the

[Speaker 2] (2:20:18 - 2:20:18)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:18 - 2:20:29)
meeting warrant. It's it's put forward by citizens not by the they happen to be also the one that organises is also the outgoing member of the board of health, but he organised it as

[Speaker 2] (2:20:29 - 2:20:30)
Oh boy,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:30 - 2:20:30)
resident.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:30 - 2:20:30)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:31 - 2:20:33)
Okay, well because the title here says Board of Health so

[Speaker 3] (2:20:33 - 2:20:34)
Do we need to we need

[Speaker 4] (2:20:34 - 2:20:34)
It

[Speaker 3] (2:20:34 - 2:20:35)
to

[Speaker 4] (2:20:35 - 2:20:35)
says

[Speaker 3] (2:20:35 - 2:20:35)
put citizen's

[Speaker 4] (2:20:35 - 2:20:35)
it

[Speaker 3] (2:20:35 - 2:20:35)
proposal.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:35 - 2:20:37)
says it it yes, it

[Speaker 3] (2:20:37 - 2:20:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:37 - 2:20:40)
does. It is confusing and it uh it is also six families.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:42 - 2:20:47)
Twelve signatures from six families to control five thousand families fifteen

[Speaker 3] (2:20:47 - 2:20:47)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:47 - 2:20:49)
thousand people so I think that's important

[Speaker 3] (2:20:50 - 2:20:50)
I mean,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:50 - 2:20:51)
that's

[Speaker 2] (2:20:51 - 2:20:51)
I just want

[Speaker 3] (2:20:51 - 2:20:51)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:20:51 - 2:20:51)
to, I

[Speaker 3] (2:20:51 - 2:20:51)
benefit

[Speaker 2] (2:20:51 - 2:20:52)
just.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:52 - 2:20:53)
of a citizen's petition,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:53 - 2:20:57)
you get enough signatures and the clerk certifies them, that's democracy, they're allowed to bring it forward.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:57 - 2:21:01)
So I understand the commentary and valid point,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:02 - 2:21:03)
but that's democracy.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:04 - 2:21:05)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:05 - 2:21:11)
It's our job to ensure that democracy is saved on the go forward and this is their right to do this, whether or not we vote to support it at town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:12 - 2:21:12)
Only town meeting

[Speaker 2] (2:21:12 - 2:21:13)
Well

[Speaker 3] (2:21:13 - 2:21:13)
will

[Speaker 2] (2:21:13 - 2:21:13)
so

[Speaker 3] (2:21:13 - 2:21:13)
tell

[Speaker 2] (2:21:13 - 2:21:24)
but but what I'm going back to my question though is whether or not this should remain under the citizen petition category which is at the end of the warrant or it should be moved further into

[Speaker 3] (2:21:25 - 2:21:37)
I think the point is if you move it on the regular, if you want to try to move it on the regular warrant, then you are going to need the support of the majority of the board to support that for it not, for it to end up on the warrant in a supportive fashion.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:37 - 2:21:37)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:37 - 2:21:41)
I think the preference from the citizens are leave it as a citizens petition,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:42 - 2:21:46)
therefore the board will not opine on it and let them make their case at town meeting,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:46 - 2:21:50)
which they feel is a better avenue than coming before us where we might say.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:51 - 2:21:57)
Hey, fires at Fisherman's Beach are a foundation block of what it means to grow up in Swampscott,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:57 - 2:22:02)
and therefore we are not going to prohibit fires from occurring outside.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:02 - 2:22:06)
I think that is what they are hoping not to have to do, and so that is why we're here.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:06 - 2:22:07)
It's just really

[Speaker 2] (2:22:07 - 2:22:08)
So hard. you got the inside scoop

[Speaker 4] (2:22:08 - 2:22:09)
It's just really hard to take.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:09 - 2:22:11)
I'm just putting all the logical blocks

[Speaker 4] (2:22:11 - 2:22:11)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:22:11 - 2:22:12)
together

[Speaker 4] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
just must

[Speaker 3] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
right now,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
say

[Speaker 3] (2:22:12 - 2:22:13)
but...

[Speaker 4] (2:22:13 - 2:22:19)
it's just really difficult to take this seriously since it is not coming from.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:19 - 2:22:43)
the Board of Health, but it is coming from as a citizen's petition, and this is something that Mr. Bloch uh tried a decade ago. It failed. Residents do not want this, and since this is on our agenda I do I I do wanna state that um, you know, I've received I've received numerous text messages, phone calls, uh stop-in chats about this very item. Um and

[Speaker 4] (2:22:44 - 2:22:53)
No one other than the 12 petitioners seem to want this, so residents have denied this previously, and I think this will be

[Speaker 2] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:54 - 2:22:56)
So this will crash and burn,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:56 - 2:22:58)
pun intended,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:58 - 2:22:59)
at Maytown meeting.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:59 - 2:23:01)
All right, so we can leave as is and

[Speaker 3] (2:23:01 - 2:23:01)
I think

[Speaker 2] (2:23:01 - 2:23:02)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
should

[Speaker 3] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
should.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:02 - 2:23:03)
say that this really isn't

[Speaker 3] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
coming

[Speaker 3] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
don't

[Speaker 2] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
from

[Speaker 3] (2:23:03 - 2:23:04)
have the a choice

[Speaker 2] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
Board of Health.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:04 - 2:23:06)
but for it to leave it as is.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:06 - 2:23:07)
I think we're burning a lot of time on this.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:09 - 2:23:09)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:09 - 2:23:09)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:23:09 - 2:23:09)
it's

[Speaker 1] (2:23:09 - 2:23:09)
going to light

[Speaker 3] (2:23:09 - 2:23:10)
on the agenda

[Speaker 1] (2:23:10 - 2:23:10)
it on fire.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:10 - 2:23:10)
for it to be the only

[Speaker 2] (2:23:10 - 2:23:10)
Me

[Speaker 3] (2:23:10 - 2:23:11)
time

[Speaker 2] (2:23:11 - 2:23:11)
either.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:11 - 2:23:14)
for a select board to have opinion if they want to.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:14 - 2:23:17)
I don't want it. That's my opinion. I am against this one.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:18 - 2:23:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:18 - 2:23:18)
Danielle,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:19 - 2:23:20)
I think this is a big mistake.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:21 - 2:23:22)
I'm just going with it.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:22 - 2:23:22)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (2:23:22 - 2:23:23)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:23 - 2:23:23)
you.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:23 - 2:23:25)
saying it. Moving on.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:26 - 2:23:29)
Discussion and vote on alternates for water sewer infrastructure advisory committee.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:30 - 2:23:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:30 - 2:23:32)
I was getting more and more excited.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:32 - 2:23:34)
I wait. Yep. Let's spring it up a notch.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:34 - 2:23:34)
Just just

[Speaker 3] (2:23:34 - 2:23:37)
Um the water and sewer infrastructure advisory committee

[Speaker 3] (2:23:38 - 2:23:44)
gave a great presentation last meeting about shifting missions and understanding the direction they wanted to go in.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:44 - 2:23:54)
I think the board felt like it was a great presentation by Kelly and we wanted to, you know, support their alignment on the mission going forward.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:54 - 2:24:06)
I think that multiple members of the board requested we have this conversation about alternates. I committed to not have that conversation until the water steward advisory committee could come and

[Speaker 3] (2:24:07 - 2:24:21)
you know show us where they're going where their mission is headed and what they feel like they are responsible for on the go forward in alignment with what the board is asking them to do so that is how we ended up on having it on this agenda and not past agendas so

[Speaker 2] (2:24:22 - 2:24:26)
Is there anyone here from Water and Sewer, online or in person?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:26 - 2:24:30)
I believe that the ones that were in person have departed because of the late hour.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:33 - 2:24:45)
So we have had a I have a spreadsheet that I can put up, but it's a list of the people I the last time we have an updated list from is mid-February. I don't know if there are

[Speaker 2] (2:24:45 - 2:24:47)
How many members do we have on the board?

[Speaker 2] (2:24:47 - 2:24:48)
The water sewer committee?

[Speaker 3] (2:24:48 - 2:24:50)
We have four open alternate

[Speaker 2] (2:24:50 - 2:24:50)
Fo

[Speaker 3] (2:24:50 - 2:24:52)
alternates opening.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:52 - 2:24:54)
Four open alternates.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:54 - 2:24:54)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:54 - 2:24:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:55 - 2:25:02)
And I'd like to you know it is late so I would like to make a motion to put George Allen Andrea Moore in the alternate positions.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:03 - 2:25:12)
They've applied, we've talked about it, this is going on and on, and then I'd like to, you know, get more names for the other two positions.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:12 - 2:25:12)
That's not the old.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:14 - 2:25:14)
This is their own.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:18 - 2:25:20)
Excuse me, this was the um

[Speaker 6] (2:25:21 - 2:25:22)
Presentation from our

[Speaker 1] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22)
team we

[Speaker 1] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22)
we don't have it.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:22 - 2:25:24)
have a list. We do not have a list.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:24 - 2:25:25)
I have I have

[Speaker 6] (2:25:25 - 2:25:25)
You have

[Speaker 1] (2:25:25 - 2:25:25)
the list.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:25 - 2:25:25)
because of I this.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:25 - 2:25:28)
can put it up in the screen if you would like. The discussion

[Speaker 6] (2:25:28 - 2:25:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:28 - 2:25:30)
has been so specific with

[Speaker 1] (2:25:30 - 2:25:36)
the board members having a very strong idea of who they wanted. I was not sure how to facilitate the best discussion this evening to

[Speaker 7] (2:25:36 - 2:25:36)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:36 - 2:25:37)
be perfectly

[Speaker 7] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
I just think

[Speaker 1] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
honest. no.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:37 - 2:25:39)
Typically we have a list of the candidates

[Speaker 1] (2:25:39 - 2:25:39)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:39 - 2:25:43)
and their resumes and stuff like that in advance. So I just.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:43 - 2:25:45)
Yeah. The request was to consider really

[Speaker 6] (2:25:46 - 2:25:52)
by two select board members just to consider those two candidates as alternates. So you wanna bring up the list?

[Speaker 1] (2:25:52 - 2:25:53)
Sure, hold on one second.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:54 - 2:25:55)
Let's bring up the list.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:55 - 2:25:57)
Are those the only two people that have applied?

[Speaker 1] (2:25:57 - 2:25:57)
No.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:57 - 2:25:57)
No.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:57 - 2:25:57)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:57 - 2:25:58)
Of course not.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:59 - 2:26:06)
No, there have been many people that have applied and I am in favor of Mary Ellen's motion for these two people and I will tell you why.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:09 - 2:26:28)
Andrea Moore has done a heck of a lot of work. None of us can deny that. Um obviously with save king speech, but obviously wanting to have a seat on this particular committee because she felt she could help. So it's unbeknownst to me why we would not consider or at least interview somebody with that

[Speaker 2] (2:26:30 - 2:26:32)
um significant a want,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:32 - 2:26:35)
right. I think we're overlooking her perhaps for

[Speaker 2] (2:26:36 - 2:26:42)
A number of reasons, maybe petty, maybe not, I have no idea, but I do think she's a good fit.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:43 - 2:26:52)
Um and I do think the other gentlemen who we are constantly hearing from, uh George Allen, right, with extensive and extensive background

[Speaker 7] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
in this

[Speaker 7] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
where,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
type

[Speaker 7] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
where's

[Speaker 2] (2:26:52 - 2:26:53)
of thing,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:53 - 2:26:53)
he on the list?

[Speaker 2] (2:26:53 - 2:26:55)
he's not, I don't know why he's not on.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:56 - 2:26:56)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:56 - 2:26:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:57 - 2:27:00)
This is the most recent list that I have, which again

[Speaker 1] (2:27:01 - 2:27:03)
Uh he he he just got on another committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:03 - 2:27:05)
He is running for what

[Speaker 7] (2:27:05 - 2:27:05)
He's

[Speaker 1] (2:27:05 - 2:27:05)
would have helped?

[Speaker 7] (2:27:05 - 2:27:05)
he's running

[Speaker 1] (2:27:05 - 2:27:06)
Oh right,

[Speaker 7] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
for

[Speaker 1] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
for

[Speaker 7] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
the in

[Speaker 1] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
Board

[Speaker 7] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
the health

[Speaker 1] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
of Health,

[Speaker 7] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
right

[Speaker 3] (2:27:06 - 2:27:07)
right. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:07 - 2:27:07)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:07 - 2:27:16)
So, Mr. Allen, I mean, he has made numerous suggestions that Kelly told us last week are the ones that they have adopted. He clearly has a background here,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:16 - 2:27:24)
we know that. Yes, there are many people that have applied, but I think to overlook somebody just because of personality, petty differences, whatever you want to call it,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:25 - 2:27:27)
I honestly don't know the root story,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:28 - 2:27:31)
but I agree that I do think these two people should be appointed.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:32 - 2:27:33)
Are you saying you seconded my motion?

[Speaker 8] (2:27:34 - 2:27:34)
I am,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:34 - 2:27:35)
She yes. did. She did second the motion.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:35 - 2:27:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (2:27:35 - 2:27:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:36 - 2:27:38)
okay, so just before we take this vote,

[Speaker 4] (2:27:38 - 2:27:39)
few things.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:40 - 2:27:46)
Members of the select board, continue to politicize the water sewer infrastructure advisory committee,

[Speaker 4] (2:27:46 - 2:27:48)
specifically Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:49 - 2:27:50)
For the record,

[Speaker 4] (2:27:50 - 2:27:55)
I continue to, I spoke to the chair after her presentation on our March 4th meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:55 - 2:27:58)
At this time, she and the committee are not requesting any alternates.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:59 - 2:28:03)
The Committee has also had no issues with obtaining a quorum for their regular meetings,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:03 - 2:28:09)
and they're looking forward to finalizing a new sewer by-law and furthermore conducting the business of the town.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:10 - 2:28:10)
Last fall,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:11 - 2:28:17)
all select board members to my knowledge had conversations with the chair of the Water Sewer Infrastructure Advisory Committee,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18)
Kelly Beegan.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:18 - 2:28:20)
Through myself as the liaison,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:20 - 2:28:26)
the chair wishes that individual select board members respect the autonomy and the independence of this advisory committee.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:27 - 2:28:29)
In the last year, there were resignations from two members,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:30 - 2:28:32)
including the former chair, Liz Smith,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:32 - 2:28:34)
as well as the vice chair, Matt Pellin,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:34 - 2:28:39)
largely as a result of personal attacks against them and the committee by one of the current applicants,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40)
Andrea Moore,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:41 - 2:28:42)
as well as others.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:42 - 2:28:43)
As for applicants,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:44 - 2:28:48)
the chair and the committee have a full complement of full-time members and want to focus on the work of the committee,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:49 - 2:28:49)
not on one.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:49 - 2:28:53)
not on one or two applicants who have applied and were not selected.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:53 - 2:29:00)
The Water Sewer Infrastructure Advisory Committee is not an appointment such as the Recreation Commission is.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:00 - 2:29:02)
It requires technical expertise.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:02 - 2:29:07)
Work here requires the ability to put personal preferences and bias aside,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:07 - 2:29:17)
be data-driven and balanced while working together with a variety of stakeholders to drive positive outcomes ultimately for the town of Swampscott and the region.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:17 - 2:29:22)
There are some qualified individuals who have the potential to be considered in the future.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:23 - 2:29:26)
But this should be done at the direction of the chair and the committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:26 - 2:29:35)
not because of political pressure applied by the select board to appoint a friend of several members to this most important committee against the wishes of the chair.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:36 - 2:29:38)
You know, I did speak with the chair.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:38 - 2:29:41)
I spoke with Ms. Biegen last week.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:41 - 2:29:45)
She did mention there were two individuals that she was interested in.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:45 - 2:29:46)
Mr.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:46 - 2:29:47)
Mahoney,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:47 - 2:29:48)
who does,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:48 - 2:29:50)
I believe, marine testing.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:50 - 2:29:52)
He would be an incredible asset to the committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:53 - 2:29:56)
She has not spoken to him as of yet.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:57 - 2:30:00)
But that would be somebody that's on her short list,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:00 - 2:30:04)
as well as Nick Carmelengo. Nick Carmelengo has...

[Speaker 1] (2:30:04 - 2:30:07)
an incredible knowledge of municipal infrastructure,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:07 - 2:30:13)
water and sewer infrastructure that is you know that would match if not exceed that of our DPW director.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:13 - 2:30:18)
Those are two individuals that you know that will be considered in the future.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:18 - 2:30:21)
So again I think we should

[Speaker 1] (2:30:21 - 2:30:25)
I think we should not politicize this, which we have.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:25 - 2:30:28)
Everybody's had the opportunity to talk to the chair.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:28 - 2:30:30)
Everybody understands the reasons.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:30 - 2:30:36)
I'm explaining the reasons, and I think the select board needs to take its thumb off the scale and, for the betterment of the town,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:36 - 2:30:38)
allow the committee and the chair to do their job.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:39 - 2:30:40)
Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:40 - 2:30:44)
I would just like to ask if Andrea Moore was ever interviewed by the chair,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:44 - 2:30:45)
by Kelly Began.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:47 - 2:30:48)
I don't I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:48 - 2:31:00)
The answer is no, because I've asked Kelly Beagan that question. So that is what is perplexing to me. I don't feel like there's an even playing field here. And I feel like we are putting our thumb on the scale.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:01 - 2:31:03)
In fact, because we some of us

[Speaker 2] (2:31:03 - 2:31:15)
have a perceived idea of Andrea Moore's personality. And I hate to actually talk about somebody specifically like that, but it has to happen, and it's about time it happened, because we've been dancing around this issue for months now.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:17 - 2:31:20)
Daniel, do you know if she's interviewed all those other people that have applied?

[Speaker 2] (2:31:20 - 2:31:23)
I d I don't. I don't honestly know that, Doug.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:23 - 2:31:29)
But I do know that she hasn't interviewed Andrea Moore, and that's who we're specifically that's who I'm specifically talking about

[Speaker 3] (2:31:29 - 2:31:29)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:29 - 2:31:30)
today.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:30 - 2:31:31)
Right. Well, I I think this is

[Speaker 3] (2:31:32 - 2:31:32)
uh

[Speaker 3] (2:31:34 - 2:31:51)
really inappropriate that we're not following our process. Um so you know first of all, you know in any other place we would be following what the chair says. I I'm very open. Yeah, I wasn't before frankly, given w everything that happened with Andrea, I'm happy to give her another chance. But

[Speaker 3] (2:31:52 - 2:31:56)
I'm definitely not going to vote for anybody right now without actually having had,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:56 - 2:32:03)
first of all the chair saying she doesn't need anybody. We can say oh you must choose two people, I suppose we could say that.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:03 - 2:32:03)
Four people.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:03 - 2:32:04)
Or four or whatever

[Speaker 4] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
There's three,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:04 - 2:32:05)
it is.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:05 - 2:32:05)
there's four openings.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:05 - 2:32:16)
But we certainly, I'm certainly not voting for it without you know any proposal from the committee. The name lists seeming to be at odds with who's actually applying,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:16 - 2:32:17)
who's even being nominated.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:18 - 2:32:21)
I mean, this just doesn't seem like we're following our process.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:22 - 2:32:46)
So I yeah there are I think there are a lot of inconsistencies here and I personally have heard that it is not the chair who is the one that is against this particular appointee. So I think there's a lot of clarity that we need and we need to have an open honest conversation about it instead of trying to dance around it right and I'd like to have Kelly Began here in front of us to explain exactly what her side is because I'm hearing many different stories.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:47 - 2:32:49)
About that, right? So

[Speaker 3] (2:32:49 - 2:32:49)
From who? From who?

[Speaker 2] (2:32:49 - 2:32:50)
this is this

[Speaker 3] (2:32:50 - 2:32:51)
Was

[Speaker 2] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
is

[Speaker 3] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
he invited

[Speaker 2] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
an advisory

[Speaker 3] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
excuse

[Speaker 3] (2:32:51 - 2:32:52)
the meeting?

[Speaker 2] (2:32:52 - 2:32:54)
me this is an advisory committee to the select board.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:56 - 2:33:06)
We have a motion on the table to add two more people as alternates these people have been have sent in their information they could have been interviewed or not.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:06 - 2:33:09)
whatever. We have two good candidates,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:09 - 2:33:21)
we have a motion here, and I just would like to see two good volunteers on a committee. There's been there's more spaces if we wanna add more people, we can even add more alternates if we want to. But I I think this has gotta stop. I

[Speaker 3] (2:33:21 - 2:33:21)
I just

[Speaker 2] (2:33:21 - 2:33:24)
don't know why we're trying to be exclusionary. I don't. I

[Speaker 1] (2:33:24 - 2:33:24)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:33:24 - 2:33:24)
don't understand it.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:24 - 2:33:26)
don't think we're trying to be exclusionary. I think

[Speaker 2] (2:33:26 - 2:33:26)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:26 - 2:33:32)
I think there is I think there is a pattern of behaviour that has been that has been indicated.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:33 - 2:33:34)
We have we

[Speaker 2] (2:33:34 - 2:33:39)
That same pattern of behavior can be said for five out of the five members on this board right now, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:33:39 - 2:33:43)
We've all done things that maybe have maybe four out of five,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:43 - 2:33:43)
Doug,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:43 - 2:33:43)
not you.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:43 - 2:33:44)
I'm just.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:44 - 2:33:45)
We've all maybe made a mistake.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:45 - 2:33:47)
We've all maybe spoken out of turn.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:47 - 2:33:48)
We've all maybe challenged authority.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:49 - 2:33:52)
That doesn't mean that we get to be overlooked and blackballed for everything we

[Speaker 5] (2:33:52 - 2:33:53)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:53 - 2:33:54)
apply for in the future,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:54 - 2:33:54)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:33:54 - 2:33:56)
You're making assumptions,

[Speaker 3] (2:33:56 - 2:33:56)
Danielle.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:56 - 2:33:56)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:56 - 2:33:58)
not at all, Doug.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:58 - 2:33:58)
I'm really not.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:59 - 2:33:59)
You are

[Speaker 2] (2:33:59 - 2:33:59)
On

[Speaker 1] (2:33:59 - 2:34:00)
being this recorded.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:00 - 2:34:02)
one. I don't s I don't I don't think Daniel's making any assumptions.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:02 - 2:34:03)
Well, I

[Speaker 2] (2:34:03 - 2:34:03)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:34:03 - 2:34:03)
can see

[Speaker 2] (2:34:03 - 2:34:03)
think Danielle

[Speaker 3] (2:34:03 - 2:34:04)
she is for me. I mean that's

[Speaker 6] (2:34:04 - 2:34:05)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
I said four

[Speaker 2] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
out

[Speaker 2] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
of the five

[Speaker 2] (2:34:05 - 2:34:06)
think

[Speaker 6] (2:34:06 - 2:34:06)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:34:06 - 2:34:06)
you're

[Speaker 6] (2:34:06 - 2:34:06)
that takes

[Speaker 2] (2:34:06 - 2:34:06)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:34:06 - 2:34:06)
you out

[Speaker 2] (2:34:06 - 2:34:07)
think

[Speaker 6] (2:34:07 - 2:34:07)
you're Danielle.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:07 - 2:34:07)
right on point

[Speaker 3] (2:34:08 - 2:34:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:08 - 2:34:10)
And it should stop. And there's a motion on the floor.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:10 - 2:34:11)
Maybe we should take a vote.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:12 - 2:34:17)
Well, I haven't said anything about this yet, and I am not going to vote.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:17 - 2:34:23)
So I just will let you know that I am abstaining from this vote because I don't think that this process has been followed.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:23 - 2:34:26)
I am concerned that Georgia Hounds'

[Speaker 7] (2:34:26 - 2:34:28)
name isn't on that list because I wanted to support

[Speaker 2] (2:34:28 - 2:34:28)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:34:28 - 2:34:28)
George and tonight

[Speaker 2] (2:34:28 - 2:34:28)
I agree.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:28 - 2:34:29)
because Kelly

[Speaker 2] (2:34:29 - 2:34:30)
I agree.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:30 - 2:34:32)
sat here and said what great work he

[Speaker 2] (2:34:32 - 2:34:32)
had I

[Speaker 7] (2:34:32 - 2:34:32)
done

[Speaker 2] (2:34:32 - 2:34:32)
agree.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:32 - 2:34:35)
and how the board aligned with so much of what he said and how he was bringing all this.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:35 - 2:34:36)
All this knowledge to the table.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:36 - 2:34:37)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:37 - 2:34:40)
Having heard her say that, have we had a conversation,

[Speaker 7] (2:34:40 - 2:34:47)
David? Has a conversation been had given where the conversation went on the mission statement?

[Speaker 7] (2:34:47 - 2:34:53)
Has a conversation been had on filling those seats based on the information that she gave before us?

[Speaker 7] (2:34:53 - 2:34:54)
Because prior to that,

[Speaker 7] (2:34:54 - 2:34:55)
and what we all reached out,

[Speaker 7] (2:34:55 - 2:35:00)
what I reached out to Kelly was that there was just like, we're not going to fill these seats.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:00 - 2:35:01)
We're not even going to look at any of these people.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:01 - 2:35:01)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:01 - 2:35:03)
And quite frankly,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:03 - 2:35:07)
whether it's Andrea or John Smith or Tina Thompson,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:07 - 2:35:09)
it doesn't matter to me. It is, there are four seats open.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:10 - 2:35:12)
There are 20 people on a list who would like to participate.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:12 - 2:35:14)
Why are we stopping them from participating?

[Speaker 7] (2:35:13 - 2:35:40)
participating because a chair has decided that they don't want to fill those four seats don't fill it with that person then come up with four other people if that's what the chair desires and then we can discuss four people based on that recommendation and if we can't align on four people maybe we can support the chair on some and we have reasons to support other people but I don't think it's right to be having this conversation in a vacuum and only filling filling two seats I don't think

[Speaker 7] (2:35:40 - 2:35:47)
that we have a good representation of what's on the list and I have always been the largest proponent of supporting a chair.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:47 - 2:35:50)
I am not on that board or committee. Even as a liaison,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:51 - 2:35:52)
you are not a member of that board or committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:52 - 2:35:53)
I'm not.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:53 - 2:35:53)
You help an aide,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:54 - 2:35:55)
you do the best you can,

[Speaker 7] (2:35:55 - 2:35:57)
you bring forth issues to the select board.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:57 - 2:35:59)
We have brought this issue to you, David,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:59 - 2:35:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:59 - 2:36:01)
multiple times in hopes that you would go to the chair yourself.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:01 - 2:36:02)
Mm It-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:02 - 2:36:03)
doesn't appear that that happened,

[Speaker 7] (2:36:03 - 2:36:06)
so multiple of us then went to the chair. So

[Speaker 7] (2:36:06 - 2:36:08)
I am not trying to circumnavigate any process.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:08 - 2:36:13)
I tried to work within the process and then when the process wasn't working, then I went to a different process.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:13 - 2:36:16)
So I just want to make that clear that I didn't step out of tow.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:16 - 2:36:21)
I came to you, I asked that we consider appointments for those positions.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:21 - 2:36:24)
I even believe that I said it doesn't have to be these people,

[Speaker 7] (2:36:24 - 2:36:28)
even if these people are the people who are supported by some of the people on the board.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:28 - 2:36:30)
So what I am asking now is that

[Speaker 7] (2:36:31 - 2:36:37)
We ask the water sewer Commission to take a look at the available people for the four seats and

[Speaker 3] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:37 - 2:36:41)
that four recommendations come before us that they interview

[Speaker 7] (2:36:42 - 2:36:55)
Maybe not all of them because that's a big ask, but that they at least speak to the people that they currently hear us advocating for and figure out if that fulfills a need on the Water Sewer Advisory Committee.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:55 - 2:36:58)
They are advisory to us and we are asking them to do this.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
You got

[Speaker 7] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
please

[Speaker 1] (2:36:58 - 2:36:59)
it. Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:59 - 2:37:00)
let us go

[Speaker 1] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
forward will and do that.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:00 - 2:37:04)
reach out to Kelly tomorrow and have that conversation with There's her.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:04 - 2:37:06)
a vote on the floor if we wish.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:06 - 2:37:08)
So I just want to.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:08 - 2:37:14)
I just, I don't know how to respectfully say I think this is just absurd and ridiculous.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:14 - 2:37:18)
We've been talking about this for months and months and months.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:19 - 2:37:25)
These people have applied. They've made it really clear that they want to participate in this,

[Speaker 8] (2:37:25 - 2:37:27)
on this committee.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:27 - 2:37:32)
And now we're looking to delay it some more and we're looking to say,

[Speaker 8] (2:37:32 - 2:37:35)
can we go back and talk to the committee and ask them what they want?

[Speaker 8] (2:37:35 - 2:37:37)
This is an advisory committee to the select board.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:38 - 2:37:38)
And nobody's

[Speaker 8] (2:37:38 - 2:37:38)
It is

[Speaker 3] (2:37:38 - 2:37:39)
interviewed

[Speaker 8] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39)
our,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39)
all the applicants.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39)
it is

[Speaker 1] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39)
And

[Speaker 8] (2:37:39 - 2:37:40)
our,

[Speaker 1] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
George

[Speaker 8] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
it

[Speaker 1] (2:37:40 - 2:37:41)
Allen isn't

[Speaker 8] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
is our,

[Speaker 1] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
on the

[Speaker 8] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
George

[Speaker 1] (2:37:41 - 2:37:42)
list.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:42 - 2:37:44)
Allen was on a list previously.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:44 - 2:37:45)
Okay, but he's not now.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:45 - 2:37:53)
Well, so I don't know what's going on with the list now, but I saw his name on a list previously and circled it. So we've all heard his name before.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:53 - 2:37:54)
We actually,

[Speaker 8] (2:37:54 - 2:37:57)
members didn't vote for him before.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:57 - 2:37:59)
I mean, you know he's interested,

[Speaker 8] (2:37:59 - 2:38:02)
you've seen his stuff, and he's actually been here, and now we're saying no, no, let's

[Speaker 3] (2:38:02 - 2:38:03)
You don't

[Speaker 8] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
go back

[Speaker 3] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
know that.

[Speaker 8] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
and relook

[Speaker 3] (2:38:03 - 2:38:06)
Maybe he's withdrawn it because now he's going after the Board of Health. I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:07 - 2:38:19)
I think we need to have the chair here. I think we need to hear from the chair directly and hear exactly what her reasoning is and whether or not he's still on the list. We need to get it accurate. We need to check it and make sure that's accurate,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:19 - 2:38:23)
that those people are all the only ones that have applied,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:23 - 2:38:26)
and start the process over and really get an understanding. Maybe there's something we're missing.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:27 - 2:38:29)
Maybe there's something that, you know.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:29 - 2:38:38)
I don't know, but you know to your point, yes, I do you think we need to hear from the chair. It is som that is who is in charge of this committee. But I do think there's been enough

[Speaker 2] (2:38:39 - 2:38:44)
instances of questionable judgment, behaviour, whatever you wanna call it, that

[Speaker 1] (2:38:50 - 2:38:53)
We've had people come to public comment and speak on it, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:53 - 2:39:00)
So this is something that we have got to weigh in on in some way, shape, or form. And I think a conversation with the chair would maybe make it clearer.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:00 - 2:39:00)
I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:01 - 2:39:01)
Um

[Speaker 2] (2:39:01 - 2:39:01)
If

[Speaker 1] (2:39:01 - 2:39:01)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (2:39:01 - 2:39:02)
we can happy get Peter

[Speaker 1] (2:39:02 - 2:39:02)
to do

[Speaker 2] (2:39:02 - 2:39:02)
to grab

[Speaker 1] (2:39:02 - 2:39:02)
that.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:02 - 2:39:06)
Robert's rules works, if I make another motion right now, how does that work?

[Speaker 3] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
Do you

[Speaker 3] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
have

[Speaker 2] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
second?

[Speaker 3] (2:39:06 - 2:39:08)
to I mean there's

[Speaker 2] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
Do you

[Speaker 3] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
been a

[Speaker 2] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
need to

[Speaker 3] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
there's

[Speaker 2] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
you need to

[Speaker 3] (2:39:08 - 2:39:08)
been a

[Speaker 2] (2:39:08 - 2:39:09)
be first.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:09 - 2:39:09)
wait.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:10 - 2:39:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:10 - 2:39:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:10 - 2:39:14)
There's been a b a motion and a second. We have

[Speaker 4] (2:39:14 - 2:39:14)
We vote.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:14 - 2:39:20)
discussion and then we move to vote. You can m you can amend do a friendly amendment or motion to amend the

[Speaker 2] (2:39:20 - 2:39:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:20 - 2:39:20)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:39:21 - 2:39:24)
vote that's on the table, if you'd like to do that, but then that would have to be

[Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:25)
Vote it on.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:25 - 2:39:29)
seconded voted on prior to voting on the motion.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:29 - 2:39:30)
The official the first

[Speaker 3] (2:39:30 - 2:39:30)
The official

[Speaker 5] (2:39:30 - 2:39:30)
motion.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:30 - 2:39:33)
motion. Hopefully that's right. Sorry, that's my

[Speaker 2] (2:39:34 - 2:39:36)
Well, I mean we can either have consensus to

[Speaker 2] (2:39:37 - 2:39:40)
Do the correct process so that we can come back here in two weeks.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:40 - 2:39:49)
David talked to the chair, basically give the consent of the board to, or the instruction of the board that we want candidates.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:49 - 2:39:53)
We will, we're taking that decision out of her hands.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:53 - 2:39:56)
We need candidates to fill these alternate spots.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:56 - 2:39:59)
If that is the sense of the board,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:59 - 2:40:00)
then we don't have to take a vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:00 - 2:40:04)
Or I can make a motion to amend the prior motion to say.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:04 - 2:40:20)
say that we want to compel the chair of the water and sewer advisory committee to thoroughly review the candidates that have been presented and to come back with recommendations to fill the four alternate spots.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:21 - 2:40:24)
So that's my amendment And to the

[Speaker 6] (2:40:24 - 2:40:27)
then what if there are four individuals?

[Speaker 6] (2:40:27 - 2:40:29)
What if, what if?

[Speaker 6] (2:40:29 - 2:40:32)
We can't fill, what if you can fill two or three or one?

[Speaker 3] (2:40:32 - 2:40:33)
Well but I mean

[Speaker 6] (2:40:33 - 2:40:33)
There's not

[Speaker 3] (2:40:33 - 2:40:33)
it

[Speaker 6] (2:40:33 - 2:40:33)
interest.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:33 - 2:40:34)
looks like a list

[Speaker 2] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34)
There's

[Speaker 3] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34)
of twenty

[Speaker 2] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34)
20 people people.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:34 - 2:40:35)
I think

[Speaker 6] (2:40:35 - 2:40:36)
Okay, I'm just I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:40:36 - 2:40:36)
yeah I mean I think

[Speaker 6] (2:40:36 - 2:40:37)
asking.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:37 - 2:40:37)
but

[Speaker 2] (2:40:37 - 2:40:39)
The chair can the chair can decide to you know only come

[Speaker 3] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
convey

[Speaker 2] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40)
back with

[Speaker 3] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:40:40 - 2:40:44)
yeah two or three. And then at that point we will have gone through the process fully,

[Speaker 2] (2:40:44 - 2:40:51)
evaluated, gotten their their feedback and then we can decide whether or not we only take two, three or make it up by our own decision on

[Speaker 3] (2:40:51 - 2:40:51)
recommendation

[Speaker 2] (2:40:51 - 2:40:51)
the Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:51 - 2:40:52)
for other people.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:53 - 2:40:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:54 - 2:40:56)
So there's a um

[Speaker 2] (2:40:57 - 2:40:58)
That's my amendment to the motion.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:59 - 2:41:01)
Okay, so a

[Speaker 2] (2:41:01 - 2:41:01)
Are you guys,

[Speaker 2] (2:41:01 - 2:41:04)
unless we just all agree.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:05 - 2:41:08)
No, you have a motion on the floor, so we have to do something with this motion on the floor.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:08 - 2:41:09)
Okay, so I'm amending

[Speaker 7] (2:41:09 - 2:41:09)
Just take

[Speaker 2] (2:41:09 - 2:41:09)
that.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:09 - 2:41:10)
a vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11)
Are

[Speaker 6] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11)
You're you amending

[Speaker 2] (2:41:11 - 2:41:12)
sticking it?

[Speaker 6] (2:41:12 - 2:41:12)
your amendment?

[Speaker 6] (2:41:13 - 2:41:14)
I'll second it.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:14 - 2:41:15)
So I think,

[Speaker 8] (2:41:15 - 2:41:18)
So you have to act on this motion first.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:18 - 2:41:20)
Yes, because you're not amending, okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:41:20 - 2:41:22)
You're not amending Mary Ellen's motion.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:22 - 2:41:22)
Right?

[Speaker 3] (2:41:22 - 2:41:24)
so we made a motion to amend Mary Ellen's motion.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:24 - 2:41:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:24 - 2:41:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:24 - 2:41:24)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:24 - 2:41:26)
That motion is seconded?

[Speaker 6] (2:41:26 - 2:41:27)
I'll second it, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:27 - 2:41:30)
Okay, so all in favor of the friendly amendment,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:30 - 2:41:32)
I mean it's not friendly, I guess the amendment,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:32 - 2:41:33)
Just to the motion.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:34 - 2:41:36)
What is the amendment again?

[Speaker 2] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37)
Basically to

[Speaker 3] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37)
To change

[Speaker 2] (2:41:37 - 2:41:38)
require,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:38 - 2:41:39)
your vote to

[Speaker 2] (2:41:39 - 2:41:39)
yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:41:39 - 2:41:40)
compel.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:40 - 2:41:41)
yeah to

[Speaker 2] (2:41:41 - 2:41:45)
to take the next two weeks, not forever, the next two weeks to

[Speaker 3] (2:41:45 - 2:41:45)
compel

[Speaker 2] (2:41:45 - 2:41:46)
run

[Speaker 3] (2:41:46 - 2:41:46)
the chair

[Speaker 2] (2:41:46 - 2:41:53)
through the correct process and have the chair come back with ideally four alternate recommendations for

[Speaker 6] (2:41:53 - 2:41:54)
For our next meeting.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:54 - 2:41:55)
our next meeting.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:57 - 2:42:02)
there's a second all in favor of the amendment as Doug has presented aye

[Speaker 6] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:03 - 2:42:04)
All opposed?

[Speaker 7] (2:42:05 - 2:42:05)
Opposed.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
Abstaining?

[Speaker 7] (2:42:06 - 2:42:07)
Opposed.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:07 - 2:42:18)
Okay. So the amendment passes. Now all that does is flip the vote to say what Doug has said and the motion on the table as seconded is now Doug's motion.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:19 - 2:42:24)
So unless there's further discussion, all in favor of is that correct?

[Speaker 7] (2:42:24 - 2:42:25)
That's correct.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:25 - 2:42:25)
I believe

[Speaker 3] (2:42:25 - 2:42:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:25 - 2:42:25)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:42:25 - 2:42:25)
so.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:25 - 2:42:28)
all in favor of Doug's amended motion?

[Speaker 6] (2:42:28 - 2:42:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:29 - 2:42:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:29 - 2:42:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:29 - 2:42:30)
All opposed?

[Speaker 7] (2:42:30 - 2:42:31)
Opposed.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:31 - 2:42:31)
Opposed.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:31 - 2:42:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:32 - 2:42:34)
So the pass is three to two,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:34 - 2:42:38)
and the request is that at the next meeting this be on, Nick please,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:39 - 2:42:44)
with what is typically provided, which is everybody that has applied for the position,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:44 - 2:42:48)
the resumes of all those folks who have applied for the position, if we could get that as soon as possible so

[Speaker 6] (2:42:48 - 2:42:49)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:49 - 2:42:49)
we can all look at it.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:49 - 2:42:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:50 - 2:42:51)
Kelly has,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:51 - 2:42:59)
or if she'd like to appoint people from water, sewer to meet and then have a conversation, it will need to be had prior to our next meeting, which is.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:59 - 2:43:01)
April 1st, right?

[Speaker 8] (2:43:01 - 2:43:02)
We we

[Speaker 7] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
We

[Speaker 8] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
already

[Speaker 3] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
no,

[Speaker 8] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
talked

[Speaker 3] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
April

[Speaker 7] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
do you mean

[Speaker 8] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
about

[Speaker 3] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
1st

[Speaker 8] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
it.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:02 - 2:43:03)
is the first night.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:03 - 2:43:04)
We talked about the eighth. Oh, the eighth.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:05 - 2:43:06)
April 1st

[Speaker 6] (2:43:06 - 2:43:06)
Passover.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:06 - 2:43:07)
is the first night of Passover.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:07 - 2:43:12)
So our next meeting is actually going to be three weeks away in observation of Passover,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:12 - 2:43:12)
Got it.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:12 - 2:43:14)
so she actually has till April 8th.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:14 - 2:43:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:15 - 2:43:22)
And we can circulate the names that we have in the list along with their resumes this week as a single PDF package to all five of you.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:22 - 2:43:22)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (2:43:22 - 2:43:22)
Awesome.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:22 - 2:43:22)
you.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:22 - 2:43:23)
And

[Speaker 7] (2:43:23 - 2:43:23)
Perfect.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:23 - 2:43:26)
then do you want to or do you want Shannon and I to get it to Kelly?

[Speaker 8] (2:43:27 - 2:43:28)
I mean, it just

[Speaker 10] (2:43:28 - 2:43:28)
It just

[Speaker 8] (2:43:28 - 2:43:29)
functionally doesn't matter,

[Speaker 10] (2:43:29 - 2:43:29)
we can

[Speaker 8] (2:43:29 - 2:43:29)
right?

[Speaker 10] (2:43:29 - 2:43:29)
send it.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:29 - 2:43:30)
Okay,

[Speaker 10] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
You can send

[Speaker 8] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
I'll copy

[Speaker 10] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
a blank

[Speaker 8] (2:43:30 - 2:43:31)
you and we'll send it.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:31 - 2:43:31)
check, please.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:31 - 2:43:32)
Perfect.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:32 - 2:43:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:32 - 2:43:33)
Great.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:34 - 2:43:34)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:35 - 2:43:44)
I think hopefully the chair and the committee understand that this is something that is not going to go away and that we're going to continue down this path until these positions are filled.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:45 - 2:43:45)
Understood.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:45 - 2:43:48)
Thank you. Moving on to the budget.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:50 - 2:43:55)
I'll hold on one second. So what we did, I'm just trying to share it. Give me a second.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:58 - 2:44:01)
is we took your guidance

[Speaker 8] (2:44:04 - 2:44:24)
to make cuts, and lower the use of excess levy capacity um based on the proposals that we had previously, um so I will just jump right into it. The reductions from the proposal that we made a few weeks back are outlined at a very high level here. So we got the updated information from GIC.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:25 - 2:44:28)
GIC provided their rates the day after we all last met.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:29 - 2:44:38)
We have taken a look at the rates for each of the individual plans against our current census and that is roughly where we think the impact will be.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:39 - 2:44:50)
The savings based on our original estimate are approximately $365,000. The piece that I will just highlight there is that open enrollment is April 1st.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:51 - 2:45:01)
So it could be that the portion of our census that has the most expensive plan that limited our overall savings they might not they might not be interested in paying increased premiums either.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:01 - 2:45:17)
So we'll have to see what the final census looks like as we get to the end of May but this is sort of our best guess along with a contingency of approximately three and a half percent to allow for changes throughout the year based on new employees coming on board family changes things like that the sort of qualifying events that could.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:17 - 2:45:30)
would necessarily impact our overall budget as i said as we get through april i will um you know after the may 1st we will continue to update not only this number but the board on sort of where we stand on where that all is

[Speaker 8] (2:45:31 - 2:45:58)
In addition to that, I just wanted to highlight before I go further down we have had a deeper discussion with the Hilde group, which is the outside consultant that we had um briefly spoken to before. We have a price now that Patrick and I are working on what they what buckets of money might be available because it would be this current fiscal year that we would begin that engagement and it would be a twelve month engagement. They would just to give you guys a rundown so we're all on the same page. They would be looking at our position with GIC. So we would request all the information

[Speaker 8] (2:45:58 - 2:46:10)
they would look at it and sort of market our plan among insurers that we could use if we were to leave GIC with the idea that we're completing that analysis in advance of the December 1st notification date that would allow us to leave.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:11 - 2:46:18)
Next, at the end of the next fiscal year, if it happens, they'd also work with us on the development of a bio programme,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:18 - 2:46:30)
support the staff in collective bargaining, ongoing analysis and then they support employees as well on benefit decisions, insurance and open enrollment. So in addition to that savings, we identified

[Speaker 8] (2:46:31 - 2:46:33)
both on the town side and the school side,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:34 - 2:46:37)
cuts that we think are reasonable.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:38 - 2:46:39)
They were not easy.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:39 - 2:46:43)
They were difficult adjustments both on the school side and on the town side.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:43 - 2:46:47)
And that resulted in a savings of approximately $704,000 that I've outlined here.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:48 - 2:46:55)
The increase there that I want to call out that eats into some of the savings is that we got the Essex Tech Preliminary Assessment number,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:55 - 2:47:05)
which was an increase above the number we were carrying in the budget of $98,000. And then the two big outstanding pieces are the Solid Waste Contract and open enrollment data,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:05 - 2:47:08)
both of which we hope will be coming more clear as we move forward.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:10 - 2:47:22)
So, you know, that was just something that I wanted to highlight where we were and what we were able to do over the last couple of weeks. And then this is the slide that I think, do you wanna ask question right there? Go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:22 - 2:47:33)
Yeah. Yeah, so I mean just just for clarity sake, I mean we're looking at the G_I_C_ the insurance savings, I mean basically we patted the budget and now we're just kinda taking some of that back.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:34 - 2:47:36)
So the difficult decisions that we that we mea uh

[Speaker 6] (2:47:36 - 2:47:37)
The difficult decisions

[Speaker 8] (2:47:37 - 2:47:37)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:47:37 - 2:47:38)
that we made are behind

[Speaker 8] (2:47:38 - 2:47:38)
would just

[Speaker 6] (2:47:38 - 2:47:39)
us.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:39 - 2:47:46)
like to I don't think we padded the budget I think we were realistically and conservatively estimating where we could land so that we weren't having this conversation in the opposite this

[Speaker 2] (2:47:46 - 2:47:47)
And we

[Speaker 8] (2:47:47 - 2:47:47)
week.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:47 - 2:47:48)
took the fat out of the budget

[Speaker 6] (2:47:48 - 2:47:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:48 - 2:47:52)
because the GOP ones basically are on fire today.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:52 - 2:47:53)
Very punny.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:54 - 2:47:57)
So just a couple questions to that.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:57 - 2:48:04)
You know, we're looking at the police and fire over timelines. So now that we're...

[Speaker 6] (2:48:05 - 2:48:09)
more fully staffed than we have been in previous years.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:09 - 2:48:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:09 - 2:48:18)
You know, it looks like we're only going back to really what our recommended budget was for 2026.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:18 - 2:48:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:18 - 2:48:29)
So is that a, is there some reason that we're only going to that number or is there further that we can go there to realize savings?

[Speaker 6] (2:48:30 - 2:48:39)
Considering that we're we now have an extra person or two or three that are going to be in that in in that department so there's so theoretically

[Speaker 2] (2:48:43 - 2:48:49)
So we did cut what we had proposed back to level f level funding, which is the request of the board at our last meeting,

[Speaker 3] (2:48:49 - 2:48:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:49 - 2:48:54)
just to identify why we landed at the the current the number that we're at on there.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:54 - 2:48:55)
Yeah, I'm not

[Speaker 1] (2:48:55 - 2:48:55)
Uh

[Speaker 3] (2:48:55 - 2:48:55)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:48:55 - 2:48:55)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (2:48:55 - 2:48:58)
not sure the request was to get to level funding, especially

[Speaker 1] (2:48:58 - 2:48:59)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:59 - 2:48:59)
about overtime.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:00 - 2:49:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:00 - 2:49:03)
Uh the request was to right-size it up right-size it

[Speaker 9] (2:49:03 - 2:49:03)
up

[Speaker 3] (2:49:03 - 2:49:10)
To the particular situation we're in right now about having basically fully staffed Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:10 - 2:49:11)
that's the difference.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:11 - 2:49:14)
That's a big that's a big potential difference.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:14 - 2:49:15)
That's at least my recollection

[Speaker 4] (2:49:15 - 2:49:24)
Well, and my actual request was to not add the increase. So my request was to bring it back to what the original was.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:25 - 2:49:26)
But which is still

[Speaker 4] (2:49:26 - 2:49:26)
He

[Speaker 2] (2:49:26 - 2:49:26)
over budget.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:26 - 2:49:27)
had he had

[Speaker 4] (2:49:27 - 2:49:30)
which was level-funded. That was my request.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:30 - 2:49:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:30 - 2:49:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:30 - 2:49:31)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:31 - 2:49:34)
But if for if you wanna listen to Mary Ellen and not me, then that's Okay. okay, that's

[Speaker 1] (2:49:34 - 2:49:35)
But I don't

[Speaker 4] (2:49:35 - 2:49:35)
A motion

[Speaker 1] (2:49:35 - 2:49:35)
think we I

[Speaker 4] (2:49:35 - 2:49:35)
for

[Speaker 2] (2:49:35 - 2:49:36)
I think

[Speaker 4] (2:49:36 - 2:49:36)
more

[Speaker 2] (2:49:36 - 2:49:37)
think more than just the more. two of you should

[Speaker 1] (2:49:37 - 2:49:37)
just

[Speaker 2] (2:49:37 - 2:49:37)
try to

[Speaker 1] (2:49:37 - 2:49:39)
as a just as a practical matter, if

[Speaker 4] (2:49:39 - 2:49:39)
Just we won't

[Speaker 1] (2:49:39 - 2:49:39)
were

[Speaker 4] (2:49:39 - 2:49:40)
we send anything extra.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:40 - 2:49:46)
if we were short four people and now we're short one or we have we're fully Oh. staffed, we should

[Speaker 5] (2:49:46 - 2:49:47)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:47 - 2:49:54)
be able to spend less far less in overtime and that was the I I I agree with Doug. I thought that was what we were

[Speaker 1] (2:49:54 - 2:49:56)
what we were striving for and what we were looking

[Speaker 3] (2:49:56 - 2:49:56)
You

[Speaker 1] (2:49:56 - 2:49:56)
for.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:56 - 2:49:57)
wouldn't mind that, would you Mariola?

[Speaker 2] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
If we can

[Speaker 3] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
find

[Speaker 1] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
save

[Speaker 3] (2:49:58 - 2:49:59)
more

[Speaker 1] (2:49:59 - 2:49:59)
money.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:59 - 2:49:59)
savings in overtime.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:00 - 2:50:00)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:50:00 - 2:50:02)
No, I like savings in overtime,

[Speaker 4] (2:50:02 - 2:50:15)
but I just also we have to be very realistic only because last year you have to remember even though they were going over on overtime, they were also coming in well under on.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:16 - 2:50:17)
individual and individual

[Speaker 3] (2:50:17 - 2:50:17)
The regular.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:17 - 2:50:25)
labor line items. So you know I I'm really never in favor of just saying things willy-nilly financially so

[Speaker 4] (2:50:26 - 2:50:29)
You know, I just didn't want to I did not want to see an addition

[Speaker 3] (2:50:30 - 2:50:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:30 - 2:50:32)
on there, the additional two fifty.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:33 - 2:50:37)
Well, I don't think we're saying anything willy-nilly. I think we're I think we're literally looking at trying to

[Speaker 4] (2:50:37 - 2:50:37)
Four

[Speaker 1] (2:50:37 - 2:50:37)
trying

[Speaker 4] (2:50:37 - 2:50:38)
positions.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:38 - 2:50:39)
to deter yeah, determine right.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:39 - 2:50:48)
Right, but I think what you're saying is you bring the number down even lower and I'm just saying I'm not sure about that because I I don't know how that number would affect

[Speaker 4] (2:50:49 - 2:50:50)
Their overall budget, that's why

[Speaker 3] (2:50:50 - 2:50:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:50:50 - 2:50:51)
just just just

[Speaker 3] (2:50:51 - 2:50:54)
just to be clear, I'm not I'm not picking where it should go.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:54 - 2:50:59)
I'm just saying that there should be a clear mathematical relationship between

[Speaker 3] (2:50:59 - 2:51:01)
almost full staffing

[Speaker 2] (2:51:01 - 2:51:01)
Correlation.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:01 - 2:51:06)
and what the overtime should be. It shouldn't just be that oh, it used to be

[Speaker 4] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
much and it's

[Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
trying

[Speaker 3] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
already

[Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:07)
to cut budgets.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:07 - 2:51:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:07 - 2:51:08)
I'm trying.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:08 - 2:51:09)
So I think get a look at that.

[Speaker 7] (2:51:09 - 2:51:16)
So the other thing though about it's not just staffing exactly, it's not just staffing, it's also when you're out on extended

[Speaker 1] (2:51:16 - 2:51:16)
Hey, all I

[Speaker 7] (2:51:16 - 2:51:19)
medical leave or something like that, which is not predictable.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:20 - 2:51:26)
So as an example, you know, part of the discussion with both police and fire in any contract is around

[Speaker 2] (2:51:27 - 2:51:42)
sort of the pay time off and how we can use it and what. So there is a significant liability that the town carries based on the amount of time that is accrued by the employees and public safety. Uh when we talk about, you know, the straight time versus overtime.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:43 - 2:51:50)
You know at the fire station for instance our minimum staffing is seven it's seven people to run two pieces of apparatus.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:51 - 2:52:11)
So if one person's off we don't necessarily go down to one apparatus and say six people on that we bring someone in and so it's not just the staffing it's the fact that we are on a razor's edge with staffing generally where we are just at minimums. So during the winter for fire as example we can have one off without bringing in someone that's not on.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:11 - 2:52:12)
not on straight time.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:12 - 2:52:34)
In the summer, when one person goes off we because of the way that we're staffed and the apparatus that we run, we immediately go into someone that's no longer on straight time. So it's not it's not a one for one necessarily, but I did have discussions with both of them and I'd be happy to you know actually have both chiefs come in to discuss this in more detail about you know what are things that we can do around staffing,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:34 - 2:52:38)
where are we in minimum manning versus what we need to run the apparatus on the fire side.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:38 - 2:52:46)
On the police side, you know, what changes, if any, could be implemented that would allow for, again,

[Speaker 2] (2:52:46 - 2:53:03)
keeping someone on straight time being the one that's doing, you know, one of the four that are on duty in the station three on the road. It it is a question that I engaged in like I talked to them on Thursday and Friday of the week that we there are options that we can certainly explore but I think they're

[Speaker 2] (2:53:03 - 2:53:23)
You know, in some cases things that we potentially could have to bargain, um and in other cases it may be opportunities that we just need to address what that would mean for service levels in town. So where we stopped for now is you're not getting more, you should not anticipate that this is a blank cheque that you will get on um

[Speaker 2] (2:53:24 - 2:53:25)
free cash at the end of every year.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:25 - 2:53:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:26 - 2:53:36)
And you will have to engage with Patrick, myself and whoever else we designate an ongoing basis to have actual discussions. And I know this was discussed prior to the the sort of turnover at town hall

[Speaker 2] (2:53:37 - 2:53:40)
to be managing to the number. And it's not that we

[Speaker 2] (2:53:40 - 2:53:48)
run down all 400,000, if it's 400,000 in overtime, before we have difficult discussions, it's that it's, you know, the

[Speaker 1] (2:53:48 - 2:53:49)
It's an automatic.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:49 - 2:53:53)
lack of a better, it's one twelfth every month, and if we're, if we've spent

[Speaker 2] (2:53:54 - 2:53:57)
You know, a quarter of it in two months, that's a problem and we're gonna run out.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:58 - 2:53:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:58 - 2:53:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:58 - 2:54:13)
Um so it's an ongoing discussion. I ask for actual ideas that are implementable. I have a handful of them. I do think that it's worthy of them being here to discuss them in greater detail with me. But where I did stop was to level fund it so that they know that there is a real ceiling on this.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:13 - 2:54:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:13 - 2:54:20)
Uh and it will be something that their performance is measured again as managers that we really need to stay within the budget that we have because

[Speaker 2] (2:54:20 - 2:54:30)
have because everyone doesn't have that luxury to simply say I need to go into overtime because we have a lot of folks with vacation or whatever. We need to figure out what levers there are that we could pull.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:30 - 2:54:30)
Yeah, I d

[Speaker 4] (2:54:30 - 2:54:30)
Quick.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:30 - 2:54:32)
and and that just that just stood out to me as as

[Speaker 2] (2:54:32 - 2:54:32)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:32 - 2:54:39)
as as a continuation of our contract uh or our conversation from the from our last uh meeting uh our last discussion. Two other points.

[Speaker 7] (2:54:39 - 2:54:43)
But before you move on can we just give him clarity on whether we would like the chiefs to come back?

[Speaker 3] (2:54:44 - 2:54:45)
Are you still on that topic or no?

[Speaker 1] (2:54:45 - 2:54:45)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:45 - 2:54:46)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:46 - 2:54:46)
I I'd

[Speaker 4] (2:54:46 - 2:54:47)
not me.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:48 - 2:54:48)
Do

[Speaker 7] (2:54:48 - 2:54:48)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:54:48 - 2:54:57)
you, mean would, my request still stands if it hasn't, I'm not quite 100 percent clear and I don't want you to have to kind of go through it again here. But

[Speaker 3] (2:55:01 - 2:55:02)
I understand you've had all these conversations.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:03 - 2:55:10)
It's definitely the budget in like they can't, I get all that. But have you actually, have they gone back?

[Speaker 3] (2:55:11 - 2:55:18)
With the constraints there are, about two piece equipment or whatever, like and requirements of the contracts,

[Speaker 3] (2:55:19 - 2:55:23)
what triggered me was you saying well we just went back to the old number.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:24 - 2:55:36)
Right, that that that's not, so I'm asking to do more of a ground up analysis of, with full staffing, what is the minimum number um

[Speaker 3] (2:55:36 - 2:55:38)
True rejection for overtime.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:39 - 2:55:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:40 - 2:55:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:40 - 2:55:55)
Because you're saying so you have to remember the police and fire are very different on their overtime. And I think what you're saying is in 2021, it's like you're using analytical data from 2021 up until 2025. And even in 2021,

[Speaker 4] (2:55:55 - 2:55:57)
we were still short.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:58 - 2:56:00)
We were significantly short on the police department.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:00 - 2:56:01)
In

[Speaker 3] (2:56:01 - 2:56:01)
I'm

[Speaker 4] (2:56:01 - 2:56:01)
2021,

[Speaker 3] (2:56:01 - 2:56:02)
not even looking at

[Speaker 4] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02)
we're still 20%.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:02 - 2:56:03)
to be honest with you.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:03 - 2:56:05)
We're here in 2027.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:05 - 2:56:06)
We know what

[Speaker 2] (2:56:06 - 2:56:07)
If it's not one for one, you wanna

[Speaker 3] (2:56:07 - 2:56:08)
know what no it's

[Speaker 2] (2:56:08 - 2:56:08)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:56:08 - 2:56:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:08 - 2:56:09)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 2] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09)
yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09)
it

[Speaker 2] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09)
please.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:09 - 2:56:12)
If I'm saying it's not for one for one, we need to come back and say

[Speaker 3] (2:56:12 - 2:56:12)
Quantify it.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:12 - 2:56:16)
that for every full time, we should be able to reduce by X_

[Speaker 4] (2:56:16 - 2:56:16)
Who?

[Speaker 2] (2:56:16 - 2:56:18)
so that it is a discussion around the data, the number, not

[Speaker 3] (2:56:18 - 2:56:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:19 - 2:56:24)
not my telling you it's not one for one or them saying that it's a difficult thing to balance. Is that accurate?

[Speaker 3] (2:56:24 - 2:56:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:56:24 - 2:56:28)
Yeah. I mean I would like to know even uh like if there are

[Speaker 7] (2:56:29 - 2:56:52)
plausible actionable savings from sweets or fire for example for fire if there is something that can be actionable how much the savings would be what how much we project the savings would be and what the risks are and then for us to have a conversation about it because it's great that we got to this point and this is like not anything

[Speaker 7] (2:56:53 - 2:57:04)
We should just knuck our noses at like we made serious reductions as we requested of you and we appr I appreciate it, but if there is some place more we should be going,

[Speaker 2] (2:57:04 - 2:57:04)
we Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:57:04 - 2:57:05)
should be exploring it.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:05 - 2:57:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:57:06 - 2:57:06)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:06 - 2:57:12)
Yep. And then just two other two other points. Um we're just around the uh the D.P.W. part-time staff,

[Speaker 4] (2:57:12 - 2:57:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:13 - 2:57:14)
which was

[Speaker 1] (2:57:14 - 2:57:16)
you know, which is being

[Speaker 4] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
Fifteen thousand.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:16 - 2:57:22)
which is being cut by fifteen grand. I think we saw last summer um you Mm-hmm. know we we really could have used

[Speaker 2] (2:57:22 - 2:57:23)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:23 - 2:57:41)
uh that part-time staff, and those are those are very small dollars, very incremental costs that really help to beautify you know our little seaside town and really make it pop uh in the summertime. Um I would advocate for fully funding that amount uh and then I just had a question about

[Speaker 1] (2:57:42 - 2:57:47)
um about the reduction or for the fourth of july from the recreation department

[Speaker 2] (2:57:47 - 2:57:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:48 - 2:57:57)
so we're cutting that eighty five hundred dollars which i'm assuming is the c is the contribute is a is a portion of the contribution for the fireworks so how how would that be funded

[Speaker 2] (2:57:58 - 2:58:07)
So my my goal in looking at this and you're not the only person to ask is we looked at expenses versus priorities. And so for me.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:08 - 2:58:13)
funding town operations with a greater priority than town money going towards the fireworks.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:14 - 2:58:34)
I am happy to, at the direction of the board, add that back in with the idea that over the longer term, because I know folks in the rec commission are already talking about it, that this become a privately funded project and event similar to other communities on the North Shore so that we are not using

[Speaker 2] (2:58:43 - 2:58:43)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:43 - 2:58:48)
I mean, I do believe that the rec department does fundraise, has a golf tournament,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:48 - 2:58:50)
does a number of other things where they are.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:51 - 2:58:54)
where they are using, you know, dollars that they're

[Speaker 3] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
uh that they're that they're

[Speaker 3] (2:58:54 - 2:58:55)
they supplement,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
they're hust that they're hustling

[Speaker 3] (2:58:55 - 2:58:56)
but they and

[Speaker 2] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
for.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:56 - 2:59:01)
they are actually um there have been some suggestions by the Rec Commission now um

[Speaker 1] (2:59:01 - 2:59:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:01 - 2:59:08)
to utilise other avenues for fundraising. So I think that might be kind of where Nick is going with um

[Speaker 1] (2:59:08 - 2:59:18)
And and to and all fairness, David, I think it would be fine it's when we're looking at the numbers we're talking about it's uh not like hugely hugely hugely impactful number.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:18 - 2:59:20)
I do think that this should start the conversation,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:21 - 2:59:35)
that this type of programming should be privately paid for, and I honestly am a little uncomfortable even with the Rec Commission being, or the Rec staff being the ones that are running a fundraiser and sort of handling that whole interaction.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:37 - 2:59:37)
Again,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:37 - 2:59:37)
I just,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:37 - 2:59:43)
so I just want to, I just want to make sure that residents of Swampskate aren't deprived of a, of a fireworks display for $8,500.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:43 - 2:59:45)
That's, that's, that's my,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:45 - 2:59:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:45 - 2:59:45)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:59:45 - 2:59:45)
absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:45 - 2:59:45)
my

[Speaker 4] (2:59:45 - 2:59:46)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:59:46 - 2:59:46)
concern.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:46 - 2:59:46)
that can't,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:46 - 2:59:47)
So if, if there, if there

[Speaker 4] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
are

[Speaker 4] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
only

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
private

[Speaker 4] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
thing the

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:48)
dollars

[Speaker 4] (2:59:48 - 2:59:48)
reductions

[Speaker 2] (2:59:48 - 2:59:48)
that.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:48 - 2:59:50)
is only $1,700.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:51 - 2:59:51)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:51 - 2:59:51)
That's

[Speaker 3] (2:59:51 - 2:59:52)
it's 8,500.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:52 - 2:59:52)
a lot.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:52 - 2:59:53)
Oh, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 4] (2:59:53 - 2:59:53)
the next one down.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:53 - 2:59:53)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:59:53 - 2:59:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
then the

[Speaker 1] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
next

[Speaker 5] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
a big

[Speaker 5] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
ask,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
to the same.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:54 - 2:59:54)
one.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:54 - 2:59:55)
that can't

[Speaker 5] (2:59:55 - 2:59:55)
I can't.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:55 - 2:59:56)
be funded through recreation?

[Speaker 6] (2:59:56 - 2:59:58)
I mean, what does recreation's

[Speaker 4] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
It has

[Speaker 6] (2:59:58 - 2:59:59)
numbers look

[Speaker 4] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
a

[Speaker 6] (2:59:59 - 3:00:00)
like? Can recreation just pick that up?

[Speaker 1] (3:00:00 - 3:00:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:01 - 3:00:02)
So I think the way that

[Speaker 4] (3:00:02 - 3:00:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:02 - 3:00:02)
everyone

[Speaker 3] (3:00:02 - 3:00:04)
Well, they they only would for the revolving

[Speaker 1] (3:00:04 - 3:00:04)
adheres.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:04 - 3:00:05)
account, you wouldn't

[Speaker 4] (3:00:05 - 3:00:05)
I know.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:05 - 3:00:07)
pay for it with the revolving account.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:07 - 3:00:13)
Well, I'm wondering, can it be paid for through the revolving account? I know I you know we don't have the bottom line numbers out of

[Speaker 3] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
It's

[Speaker 6] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
the revolving

[Speaker 3] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
a good question,

[Speaker 6] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
account.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:13 - 3:00:17)
because I mean it really is is kind of an activity. So

[Speaker 6] (3:00:17 - 3:00:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:17 - 3:00:18)
But I think I

[Speaker 3] (3:00:18 - 3:00:19)
But they are looking at implementing.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:19 - 3:00:21)
Could I suggest I've

[Speaker 3] (3:00:21 - 3:00:22)
Yeah, go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:22 - 3:00:25)
heard from multiple members that we add it back.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:26 - 3:00:32)
lower this number further the impact of the reductions add it back for this year and this be a long-term

[Speaker 3] (3:00:32 - 3:00:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:32 - 3:00:35)
it's got a longer-term discussion about how to do it I apologize go ahead

[Speaker 6] (3:00:35 - 3:00:36)
Wait, that's

[Speaker 3] (3:00:36 - 3:00:39)
So I did request that also. I had said the same thing you did.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:39 - 3:00:39)
What?

[Speaker 3] (3:00:40 - 3:00:47)
Why are we taking $8,500 from fireworks? That was, and I am the rec liaison, and I did pose the same question to the TA.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:47 - 3:00:57)
Is this a number we could put back in for this year while we're working out with the rec commission how fundraising is going to go long term so that we don't see this number again the following year,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:57 - 3:00:57)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:57 - 3:00:58)
that it's no longer.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:58 - 3:01:00)
But for this year, as we're at March,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:00 - 3:01:01)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:01 - 3:01:04)
can we just go ahead and keep that $8,500 in for this year?

[Speaker 3] (3:01:04 - 3:01:09)
and then let rec commission take it over and fund raise for the whole portion.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:09 - 3:01:10)
That was my request.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:10 - 3:01:16)
Well, my s what I just want to know is does recreation have it does recreation possibly have this in their revolving account now?

[Speaker 3] (3:01:17 - 3:01:29)
I believe they do, but I don't know the parameters around whether or not they could use it. It sounds plausible to me that you could use that, the revol that's a question for Nick that you could use the revolving account Patrick, I forgot you were here Patrick you

[Speaker 6] (3:01:29 - 3:01:29)
If you

[Speaker 3] (3:01:29 - 3:01:29)
could use

[Speaker 6] (3:01:29 - 3:01:29)
know

[Speaker 3] (3:01:29 - 3:01:30)
it

[Speaker 6] (3:01:30 - 3:01:30)
this answer, can use it.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:31 - 3:01:32)
So I don't know the answer.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:33 - 3:01:33)
Alrighty.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:34 - 3:01:36)
If we're going to use

[Speaker 7] (3:01:36 - 3:01:40)
um revolving funds towards a fireworks display, I'd wanna get an opinion on that.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:40 - 3:01:41)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 7] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
We don't have

[Speaker 6] (3:01:41 - 3:01:42)
so if it's a town

[Speaker 7] (3:01:42 - 3:01:42)
a touch.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:42 - 3:01:47)
if it's a town sponsored event it's just it is a town sponsored recreation event

[Speaker 3] (3:01:48 - 3:01:49)
It's just not one we charge for

[Speaker 4] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
so I

[Speaker 4] (3:01:49 - 3:01:50)
so

[Speaker 3] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
don't

[Speaker 4] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
two

[Speaker 3] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
know if

[Speaker 7] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
things,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
that's

[Speaker 7] (3:01:50 - 3:01:50)
know.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:50 - 3:01:51)
just a

[Speaker 4] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51)
two things

[Speaker 2] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51)
two things

[Speaker 3] (3:01:51 - 3:01:52)
That's

[Speaker 4] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52)
real

[Speaker 3] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52)
the takeaway

[Speaker 4] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52)
quick.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:52 - 3:01:54)
for us, right.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:54 - 3:01:55)
No,

[Speaker 4] (3:01:55 - 3:01:56)
Doug,

[Speaker 4] (3:01:56 - 3:01:57)
I do mine. One second.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:57 - 3:02:01)
Sorry, one second. I just want to, I ask, I have a question first and then I,

[Speaker 4] (3:02:01 - 3:02:15)
the rec commission is already working on a plan as Nick stated to set up a 501c3 that would be friends of Swampscott fireworks or something like that and they would fundraise all year long and it

[Speaker 4] (3:02:15 - 3:02:27)
and they would be able to sell alcohol at parades and they wouldn't have to go through the yacht club and a whole bunch of other stuff that would allow them to make more money to be able to more fund the fireworks

[Speaker 3] (3:02:27 - 3:02:27)
And

[Speaker 4] (3:02:27 - 3:02:27)
without

[Speaker 3] (3:02:27 - 3:02:29)
you'd allow the thermos, you know, the mom

[Speaker 4] (3:02:29 - 3:02:29)
having

[Speaker 3] (3:02:29 - 3:02:30)
or temperature thing

[Speaker 4] (3:02:30 - 3:02:30)
to

[Speaker 3] (3:02:30 - 3:02:31)
that we

[Speaker 4] (3:02:31 - 3:02:32)
go through any of this.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:32 - 3:02:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:33 - 3:02:36)
But what is this $8,500 going towards exactly?

[Speaker 7] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
Actual

[Speaker 4] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
Are we literally

[Speaker 7] (3:02:36 - 3:02:37)
playground.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:37 - 3:02:40)
writing a check to T-N-T Inc. and

[Speaker 7] (3:02:40 - 3:02:40)
Pretty

[Speaker 4] (3:02:40 - 3:02:41)
they're much. setting off fireworks,

[Speaker 2] (3:02:41 - 3:02:41)
No.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:41 - 3:02:42)
or is this

[Speaker 1] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
To the city of

[Speaker 4] (3:02:42 - 3:02:43)
used for other things?

[Speaker 1] (3:02:43 - 3:02:43)
There's

[Speaker 4] (3:02:43 - 3:02:44)
The city of Lynn.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:44 - 3:02:47)
the two primary expenses are T and T and

[Speaker 4] (3:02:47 - 3:02:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:47 - 3:02:48)
police details.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:48 - 3:02:49)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:49 - 3:02:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:49 - 3:02:52)
So it's, you know, what is going to what is

[Speaker 7] (3:02:52 - 3:02:52)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:52 - 3:02:59)
Okay. And I only ask because I know every other year Tedesco donates the golf course in order to have the fundraiser.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:59 - 3:03:01)
for to subsidize the fireworks and

[Speaker 3] (3:03:01 - 3:03:01)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:01 - 3:03:05)
I didn't know if any of this $8,500 is used to pay for

[Speaker 3] (3:03:05 - 3:03:05)
No.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:05 - 3:03:06)
Chideska.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06)
No.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:06 - 3:03:09)
Okay great. Thank you for clarifying. Sorry Doug, now go ahead.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:10 - 3:03:11)
No, that's absolutely fine.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:12 - 3:03:19)
I was hoping that the TA could go to the next slide so we understood the context because I think there's some other information there that we don't have.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:19 - 3:03:21)
Are there any other questions?

[Speaker 8] (3:03:21 - 3:03:21)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:21 - 3:03:22)
Um

[Speaker 8] (3:03:22 - 3:03:23)
I want to see that yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:23 - 3:03:23)
Okay, I just

[Speaker 8] (3:03:23 - 3:03:23)
like

[Speaker 1] (3:03:23 - 3:03:24)
want since people were

[Speaker 8] (3:03:24 - 3:03:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:24 - 3:03:25)
discussing

[Speaker 8] (3:03:25 - 3:03:27)
but it's like the bottom line is we were starting

[Speaker 4] (3:03:27 - 3:03:32)
I know, but I was trying to get a question in, like, forty five ballets ago, so I just want to ask that question.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:32 - 3:03:33)
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:33 - 3:03:34)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:35 - 3:03:49)
So this slide is meant to show because we discussed this at the last one the impact uh both on the levy or the excess levy rather and the anticipated impact with the current

[Speaker 1] (3:03:49 - 3:04:12)
um valuations of property and everything which will be subject to change over the next year, so it will likely be a little bit higher. Um but this is meant to show where we anticipate the cost of this budget as currently outlined, not including fifteen thousand back necessarily, potentially for summer for the eight thousand five hundred for you know that's just sort of on the margins.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:13 - 3:04:24)
In addition, this number, I believe Patrick you can correct me if I'm wrong, was uh calculated prior to my last discussion with the superintendent where he sort of gave

[Speaker 1] (3:04:24 - 3:04:36)
their best number so far on where they're able to get uh because they went from three point nine six to three point two five on their increase that was their sort of contribution to this um so again that's

[Speaker 8] (3:04:36 - 3:04:36)
That's

[Speaker 1] (3:04:36 - 3:04:37)
just not on included? margin excuse me?

[Speaker 8] (3:04:37 - 3:04:38)
That's not included?

[Speaker 1] (3:04:38 - 3:04:43)
that is not included. The the from three five to three point two five.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:43 - 3:04:45)
So the quarter percentage point is not

[Speaker 1] (3:04:45 - 3:04:45)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:04:45 - 3:04:45)
included.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:45 - 3:04:47)
it's approximately forty thousand dollars in the total, right?

[Speaker 6] (3:04:49 - 3:04:51)
So the schools are able to return forty thousand dollars?

[Speaker 1] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
In

[Speaker 4] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
Forty

[Speaker 1] (3:04:51 - 3:04:52)
addition,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:52 - 3:04:52)
thousand more

[Speaker 6] (3:04:52 - 3:04:52)
In

[Speaker 1] (3:04:52 - 3:04:52)
in addition

[Speaker 4] (3:04:52 - 3:04:52)
dollars.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:52 - 3:04:53)
addition to what they've already.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:53 - 3:04:54)
point nine six.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:54 - 3:04:55)
What are the dollars?

[Speaker 1] (3:04:56 - 3:05:03)
So I think on the town side it's four fifty nine and the schools are 244, 245.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:04 - 3:05:08)
And then in addition to that it's the healthcare savings which is one of the shared costs that we all have.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:09 - 3:05:11)
That's how we get to the just over a million.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:11 - 3:05:15)
And you put in the ninety eight thousand increased assessment for

[Speaker 1] (3:05:15 - 3:05:16)
Okay, but that number,

[Speaker 8] (3:05:16 - 3:05:16)
That's

[Speaker 1] (3:05:16 - 3:05:16)
that's

[Speaker 8] (3:05:16 - 3:05:16)
exactly.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:16 - 3:05:18)
twelve thousand three hundred eleven

[Speaker 3] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
Just missing

[Speaker 1] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
dollars

[Speaker 3] (3:05:18 - 3:05:19)
the initial school.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:19 - 3:05:25)
is only missing forty thousand Correct. from the school. It's not It's a negligible gonna okay. impact on the taxpayer in this scenario.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:25 - 3:05:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:25 - 3:05:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:25 - 3:05:26)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:26 - 3:05:27)
And we were at

[Speaker 3] (3:05:28 - 3:05:28)
Eight something.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:28 - 3:05:29)
eight something right?

[Speaker 3] (3:05:29 - 3:05:30)
8.75.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:30 - 3:05:32)
Like was that what it was that what

[Speaker 3] (3:05:32 - 3:05:32)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:05:32 - 3:05:34)
it was? think it was 8.49 I wanna say actually.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:34 - 3:05:36)
But that include it, does this include um

[Speaker 7] (3:05:36 - 3:05:36)
8.49.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:37 - 3:05:37)
If

[Speaker 1] (3:05:37 - 3:05:38)
A49?

[Speaker 3] (3:05:38 - 3:05:38)
one A48.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:38 - 3:05:40)
This is just the cost of the

[Speaker 4] (3:05:40 - 3:05:42)
This is an echoed CPA.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:42 - 3:05:43)
no.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:43 - 3:05:45)
No, this number is just the cost of the

[Speaker 7] (3:05:45 - 3:05:47)
This number does not include CPA,

[Speaker 7] (3:05:47 - 3:05:49)
the 670 there.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:49 - 3:05:50)
and the 850

[Speaker 4] (3:05:50 - 3:05:50)
So this

[Speaker 1] (3:05:50 - 3:05:50)
doesn't

[Speaker 4] (3:05:50 - 3:05:50)
is just

[Speaker 1] (3:05:50 - 3:05:50)
an either.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:50 - 3:05:51)
impact,

[Speaker 4] (3:05:51 - 3:05:52)
this is just tax.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:52 - 3:05:53)
Apples to apples.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:53 - 3:05:54)
And that was, that's

[Speaker 8] (3:05:54 - 3:05:54)
Zero.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:54 - 3:06:02)
the asterisk on the top two there, that's meant to identify the fact that there is the CPA that was added in both years and will continue to be added, but I just want to highlight that

[Speaker 3] (3:06:02 - 3:06:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:02 - 3:06:05)
there was something that was voted on and adopted by the community.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:07 - 3:06:08)
as we discussed.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:08 - 3:06:11)
So your reductions have resulted in $179, roughly,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:11 - 3:06:12)
Approximately.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:12 - 3:06:16)
decrease on the impact of the taxpayer.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:16 - 3:06:16)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:16 - 3:06:17)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:17 - 3:06:32)
And then the estimated excess levy of 1.9, I just want to highlight in that, that 200,000 of that is the levy losing excluded debt. So it's it comes the levy comes down a little bit because it's $200,000.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:33 - 3:06:37)
and a debt exclusion that is rolling off. So that's

[Speaker 7] (3:06:37 - 3:06:37)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:37 - 3:06:39)
not that we're spending it, but it will disappear,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:39 - 3:06:54)
so we wanna make sure that it's sort of identified as no longer being available at the end of this year with this revised propo proposal. Um and that brings it and the same was true with the two point eight. Two hundred thousand of that was that debt exclusion that's rolling off that lowers our overall levy.

[Speaker 8] (3:06:55 - 3:06:56)
So do we so

[Speaker 6] (3:06:56 - 3:06:56)
But it's

[Speaker 8] (3:06:56 - 3:06:56)
do

[Speaker 6] (3:06:56 - 3:06:56)
a debt

[Speaker 8] (3:06:56 - 3:06:56)
we

[Speaker 6] (3:06:56 - 3:06:58)
exclusion though, it's gonna come off no matter what.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:59 - 3:06:59)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:06:59 - 3:06:59)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:59 - 3:07:00)
Dick,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:00 - 3:07:01)
I'm just saying for

[Speaker 4] (3:07:01 - 3:07:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:01 - 3:07:01)
the same

[Speaker 4] (3:07:01 - 3:07:01)
but he's pointing it

[Speaker 1] (3:07:01 - 3:07:01)
point

[Speaker 4] (3:07:01 - 3:07:02)
out

[Speaker 1] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
I'm saying

[Speaker 4] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
as factual,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
how much excess

[Speaker 4] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
no,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:02 - 3:07:03)
levy

[Speaker 4] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
no, I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
is

[Speaker 4] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
just left. pointing out

[Speaker 3] (3:07:03 - 3:07:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:07:04 - 3:07:04)
what...

[Speaker 3] (3:07:04 - 3:07:04)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:04 - 3:07:04)
Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:04 - 3:07:13)
Do we also have a view of what the next five years looks like? What our access levy capacity will be?

[Speaker 6] (3:07:13 - 3:07:14)
How many years?

[Speaker 2] (3:07:14 - 3:07:16)
How many years we have?

[Speaker 2] (3:07:16 - 3:07:17)
What's our runway?

[Speaker 1] (3:07:17 - 3:07:25)
I mean, with the limited information that we have, I would say next year is reasonably, I'm reasonably confident we can get through beyond that.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:26 - 3:07:28)
It depends on when new growth and other things come online.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:28 - 3:07:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:29 - 3:07:45)
So in talking to, when we we've talked a little bit and and I know and I've not participated as much but you all talked about that there's a trough and there'll be new growth. And so conversations we've had with rich, Marzi and Paul to try and understand what the impacts of that could be at the end of say five years,

[Speaker 6] (3:07:46 - 3:07:46)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:46 - 3:07:49)
including the Westcott coming on as fully assessed.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:50 - 3:07:57)
we're talking about approximately million dollars in new growth. It's not going to be, you know, six million that will

[Speaker 7] (3:07:57 - 3:07:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:57 - 3:08:04)
make sure that we avoid difficult decisions in the future. There's a it's a limited amount just because we're relatively well built out.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:04 - 3:08:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:04 - 3:08:05)
Um

[Speaker 8] (3:08:05 - 3:08:06)
A million represents what percentage?

[Speaker 1] (3:08:06 - 3:08:09)
so that's like the Westcott which is now fully

[Speaker 4] (3:08:09 - 3:08:09)
Pine

[Speaker 1] (3:08:09 - 3:08:10)
assessed, it had not yet been

[Speaker 4] (3:08:10 - 3:08:10)
Pine

[Speaker 1] (3:08:10 - 3:08:12)
uh housing at Pine Street,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:13 - 3:08:14)
housing at Vinon

[Speaker 1] (3:08:15 - 3:08:21)
the retail abandonment where, you know, so this is all art not science, because we don't know the final value of these buildings.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:22 - 3:08:29)
Um housing at Glover, assuming something does move forward there, uh we had the, you know, sort of figuring out where the pa

[Speaker 2] (3:08:45 - 3:08:46)
But all those other ones together

[Speaker 1] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:08:46 - 3:08:47)
are just in the

[Speaker 1] (3:08:47 - 3:08:47)
Wes

[Speaker 2] (3:08:47 - 3:08:47)
development.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:47 - 3:08:48)
Cota is an example.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:48 - 3:08:48)
That's

[Speaker 1] (3:08:48 - 3:08:48)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:08:48 - 3:08:48)
conservative.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:48 - 3:08:49)
one year new growth of two hundred

[Speaker 3] (3:08:49 - 3:08:50)
That's

[Speaker 1] (3:08:50 - 3:08:50)
and forty thousand,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:50 - 3:08:50)
not no,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:50 - 3:08:51)
approximately.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:51 - 3:08:51)
that's not.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:53 - 3:09:01)
You know, the units that are going in at Vinan using the same math that we have at Westcott is three hundred thousand dollars more, so we're at five fifty to six hundred there.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:01 - 3:09:03)
Everything else is

[Speaker 4] (3:09:03 - 3:09:03)
Smaller.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:03 - 3:09:04)
s smaller.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:04 - 3:09:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:04 - 3:09:04)
Smaller.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:04 - 3:09:07)
Even even if something goes in at Glover, I believe

[Speaker 5] (3:09:07 - 3:09:07)
Glovers

[Speaker 1] (3:09:07 - 3:09:08)
it's ninety six units.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
just are a portion

[Speaker 4] (3:09:08 - 3:09:09)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
of Glover,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
It's

[Speaker 5] (3:09:09 - 3:09:09)
smaller.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:11)
it's ninety six units on our side at

[Speaker 4] (3:09:11 - 3:09:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:11 - 3:09:20)
at Glover, so again, it's a lower number than we have at Westcott. Again, looking at it as an art, it's not a science that we are not one hundred percent sure where things will be.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:21 - 3:09:49)
And then the other thing I just want to highlight because it was discussed and we're talking about when there might be new revenue or different revenue available is it would be my opinion that it is important we stay on track as best we can with the pension because when those when the funding level drops down to sort of the annual maintenance as opposed to the catch-up that is a not insignificant number and that money some of it would need to go to OPEB in my opinion it's the decision of you and obviously town meeting in the end because we've been avoiding funding OPEB.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:50 - 3:09:59)
There'll be the maintenance number that still goes to the pension, but it will be multiple millions more most likely that we have now in operating that are available.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:59 - 3:10:02)
And would you say multiple is the delta three million? Is

[Speaker 1] (3:10:02 - 3:10:02)
Potentially.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:02 - 3:10:04)
it potentially three million dollars coming

[Speaker 1] (3:10:04 - 3:10:04)
It's

[Speaker 6] (3:10:04 - 3:10:04)
off

[Speaker 1] (3:10:04 - 3:10:05)
a question

[Speaker 6] (3:10:05 - 3:10:07)
in at the end of twenty thirty one?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:07 - 3:10:14)
So I'm saying no, it's at the end of twenty thirty one, I'm not saying that three million comes off, I think the last payment is seven

[Speaker 7] (3:10:14 - 3:10:17)
I think it's seven or eight million and it that it normalizes.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:17 - 3:10:21)
So I think $1.5 million and the current funding schedule so that's a big delta.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:21 - 3:10:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:22 - 3:10:24)
Okay, so the delta is six and a half million dollars then.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24)
So So the the

[Speaker 8] (3:10:24 - 3:10:25)
but

[Speaker 1] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25)
problem.

[Speaker 8] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25)
the the big variable

[Speaker 1] (3:10:25 - 3:10:29)
I just want to highlight some of that necessarily will have to go to OPEB.

[Speaker 8] (3:10:29 - 3:10:29)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (3:10:29 - 3:10:29)
Oh yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:29 - 3:10:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:10:30 - 3:10:30)
right.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:30 - 3:10:30)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:30 - 3:10:30)
Understood.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:30 - 3:10:30)
Understood.

[Speaker 8] (3:10:30 - 3:10:31)
Depending on what the state

[Speaker 1] (3:10:32 - 3:10:34)
There is no statutory requirement

[Speaker 2] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:34 - 3:10:39)
with OPAP yet. It will come at some point. So we cannot be in a situation where we did fifty

[Speaker 2] (3:10:39 - 3:10:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:39 - 3:10:41)
thousand and twenty two and didn't do anything again until thirty two.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:42 - 3:10:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:42 - 3:10:47)
You know, or if we or if that is the case, we do, then it needs to be a significant number when we start to go, you know.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:48 - 3:11:05)
low seven figures probably to start to catch up on OPEB at that point. And that's what other communities are doing as they fully fund their pension is they then make a significant investment in OPEB, but also have more money that is just more freely available to be used for other priorities within the operating budget of the community. So I would also,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:05 - 3:11:10)
I would consider that as you talk about the trough that we're coming out of as something that it's almost

[Speaker 1] (3:11:11 - 3:11:15)
new cache that would be available uh for the operations of the community.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:15 - 3:11:15)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:11:15 - 3:11:15)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:11:15 - 3:11:16)
not

[Speaker 1] (3:11:16 - 3:11:16)
that

[Speaker 2] (3:11:16 - 3:11:16)
until 2031

[Speaker 1] (3:11:16 - 3:11:16)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:16 - 3:11:17)
Right. and 32.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:17 - 3:11:20)
But if we were to push it out then it pushes out that opportunity as well.

[Speaker 10] (3:11:21 - 3:11:31)
So I think we need to have a real clear picture of what it's gonna look like in you have to I think you have to come back to us with a real clear picture of what's gonna look like over the next

[Speaker 10] (3:11:32 - 3:11:33)
five, six years,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:33 - 3:11:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:11:33 - 3:11:37)
because we've got to do everything we can to stay away from an operational override.

[Speaker 10] (3:11:37 - 3:11:50)
And it doesn't look like we're gonna be able to do that, but we've got to we've got to at least consciously look and see what we can do because we have to keep in mind when we go back to the taxpayer, we've got to be going back to get money for the middle school.

[Speaker 10] (3:11:51 - 3:11:58)
And if we're going back for operational overrides, I feel that w I feel pretty confident we're gonna we're gonna put that at risk.

[Speaker 10] (3:11:59 - 3:12:04)
And that's that's a priority for me sitting at this table is that middle school

[Speaker 2] (3:12:04 - 3:12:04)
And

[Speaker 6] (3:12:04 - 3:12:04)
It's

[Speaker 2] (3:12:04 - 3:12:05)
that's

[Speaker 6] (3:12:05 - 3:12:05)
perfect.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:05 - 3:12:05)
a very

[Speaker 6] (3:12:05 - 3:12:25)
It should be a priority for all of us as taxpayers to to be able to be able to have some semblance of confidence to to see how that how that all plays out because I agree with Mary Ellen if we need to avoid that at all costs so if that means that we have to make difficult decisions today to avoid more draconian decisions that are going to be made

[Speaker 6] (3:12:26 - 3:12:29)
years from now or next year

[Speaker 11] (3:12:29 - 3:12:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:29 - 3:12:37)
um we should just have that information in front of us understanding that what you're gonna show us are gonna be very rough estimates best

[Speaker 7] (3:12:37 - 3:12:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (3:12:37 - 3:12:37)
And

[Speaker 6] (3:12:37 - 3:12:38)
guesses

[Speaker 11] (3:12:38 - 3:12:38)
very conservative.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:38 - 3:12:39)
and yes

[Speaker 10] (3:12:40 - 3:12:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:40 - 3:12:40)
I know you

[Speaker 1] (3:12:41 - 3:12:43)
both joked about like healthcare,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:43 - 3:13:00)
I don't think that we were wrong to have that where we were until we had more information. As an example, we would still be carrying ten even if other communities might carry seven, say. Because I'm not comfortable coming back to you next year and saying like everything looked fine, but it was because I had a really optimistic number for healthcare and did not

[Speaker 1] (3:13:01 - 3:13:21)
really look at it from the standpoint of like what the last three years have looked like. You know, um so I'm I'm long-winded way of saying my projections will make it necessarily probably look worse than it will come out because my goal is to make sure we are planning for this worst case and walk into a scenario that's better than that and some of these decisions are a little easier in the future.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:21 - 3:13:39)
Right. That's all well and good, but um if that leads us, because there's an extra two hundred thousand, whatever it is, in health care, and we wanna get to a certain number, and then we're starting to hear sitting here cutting other things um because e

[Speaker 2] (3:13:39 - 3:13:42)
You've got $200,000 extra in health care, that's not good.

[Speaker 10] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:43 - 3:13:44)
Right, so you know I

[Speaker 1] (3:13:44 - 3:13:48)
It but you're asking me to be right with it two hundred thousand three years out.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:48 - 3:13:49)
No, terminate this year.

[Speaker 10] (3:13:49 - 3:13:49)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:49 - 3:13:55)
Uh yeah, no I we are not we are not holding anything extra now. We think where we are is reasonable.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:55 - 3:13:58)
Okay. Okay, that's not what I thought I just heard you say, so

[Speaker 12] (3:13:58 - 3:13:58)
Were you saying

[Speaker 1] (3:13:58 - 3:13:58)
I'm talking

[Speaker 12] (3:13:58 - 3:13:58)
out

[Speaker 2] (3:13:58 - 3:13:58)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:13:58 - 3:13:59)
about projection.

[Speaker 12] (3:13:59 - 3:14:00)
years in the out years?

[Speaker 2] (3:14:00 - 3:14:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:00 - 3:14:01)
Out years in a projection.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:01 - 3:14:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:01 - 3:14:02)
I'm not going to tell you

[Speaker 2] (3:14:02 - 3:14:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:02 - 3:14:02)
that

[Speaker 2] (3:14:04 - 3:14:23)
Um so I think this is a great question. You asked David and you know I'm not sure we're gonna have it uh I don't know where we're trying to head with this, I don't know what Finance Committee's done yet in terms of this budget and all that jazz. But if if you play that out, that we've used one point nine under this scenario,

[Speaker 2] (3:14:24 - 3:14:28)
we've got two point eight left in a very very simplistic fashion.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:29 - 3:14:34)
We're using another one point nine next year, been being very simplistic I admit.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:36 - 3:14:44)
Then, to your point, maybe you make another year, you're not probably gonna make it two years under that type of scenario. Maybe in a couple of years you've got another million

[Speaker 2] (3:14:45 - 3:14:54)
maybe. From all these things, if they all came in, maybe you make it through two more years, or you're close to this trajectory.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:54 - 3:14:55)
Seven, eight, nine.

[Speaker 10] (3:14:56 - 3:14:56)
28,

[Speaker 10] (3:14:56 - 3:14:57)
29.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:58 - 3:14:58)
What night?

[Speaker 10] (3:14:59 - 3:14:59)
Right?

[Speaker 7] (3:14:59 - 3:15:00)
FY29,

[Speaker 1] (3:15:00 - 3:15:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:00 - 3:15:00)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:15:00 - 3:15:01)
F_ Y_ 29.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:15:01 - 3:15:02)
And we gotta get to thirty one.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:02 - 3:15:09)
You gotta get to thirty one. Right. Yeah. So you're not you're you're not kind of set up for a

[Speaker 2] (3:15:11 - 3:15:12)
the right trajectory.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:13 - 3:15:17)
So I again I want to highlight what I said last time. This is not something that is unique to us.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:18 - 3:15:19)
Oh, it's not unique

[Speaker 1] (3:15:19 - 3:15:19)
It is, but I

[Speaker 2] (3:15:19 - 3:15:21)
I'm much better safe than I think I'm hearing everywhere else.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:21 - 3:15:25)
I just want to under like the work that has been done over time puts us in a position

[Speaker 2] (3:15:25 - 3:15:25)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:15:25 - 3:15:26)
that

[Speaker 2] (3:15:26 - 3:15:26)
absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:26 - 3:15:28)
everyone's been doing it last year, this year,

[Speaker 10] (3:15:28 - 3:15:28)
Sure,

[Speaker 1] (3:15:28 - 3:15:29)
maybe the

[Speaker 10] (3:15:29 - 3:15:29)
sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:29 - 3:15:29)
year before last.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:31 - 3:15:37)
It to David's point, it required the discussions around like where we can cut are very quickly coming to.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:38 - 3:15:39)
Salary not expense.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:40 - 3:15:55)
And especially if we're looking at what we can do to try to stretch it out over years as opposed to making them incrementally one year at a time, I don't want to necessarily speak for the superintendent but I think it's similar on their side where over the years people have been very frugal and even this year they have

[Speaker 1] (3:15:56 - 3:16:11)
Really done a hard job of making sure that the number that we gave as a projection was where they landed and then when we asked to partner with us to lower that number they have worked hard to do that and I it's not that we cannot do those things if we're talking salary but I do want to highlight and underline.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:12 - 3:16:17)
It's very quickly approaching that as opposed to can you guys keep trimming expenses here and there

[Speaker 7] (3:16:17 - 3:16:17)
Right, right.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:17 - 3:16:21)
to make the types of impacts that would be necessary to stretch it out multiple years.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:21 - 3:16:25)
And this includes the Hawthorne lease that we're about to sign, correct?

[Speaker 10] (3:16:26 - 3:16:27)
I am assuming you have assumptions

[Speaker 1] (3:16:27 - 3:16:27)
Or income?

[Speaker 10] (3:16:27 - 3:16:28)
in it. Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:28 - 3:16:29)
Yeah. Uh

[Speaker 10] (3:16:29 - 3:16:31)
Okay. Just just just wanted to make sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:31 - 3:16:35)
Well, and even that we'd have a better sense because there's sort of a time limit on how long it should take

[Speaker 10] (3:16:35 - 3:16:35)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:35 - 3:16:37)
to come to an agreement. So we would know if that

[Speaker 6] (3:16:38 - 3:16:38)
Are you

[Speaker 2] (3:16:38 - 3:16:39)
With the three hundreds in here or not?

[Speaker 1] (3:16:40 - 3:16:41)
I believe it is

[Speaker 10] (3:16:41 - 3:16:41)
Or

[Speaker 1] (3:16:41 - 3:16:41)
already

[Speaker 10] (3:16:41 - 3:16:41)
270,

[Speaker 1] (3:16:41 - 3:16:41)
in the class.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:41 - 3:16:43)
whatever we're down to now, Catherine.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:43 - 3:16:45)
It's three hundred over the no it's three hundred over the

[Speaker 10] (3:16:45 - 3:16:45)
Over

[Speaker 1] (3:16:45 - 3:16:46)
three hundred over

[Speaker 10] (3:16:46 - 3:16:46)
the over

[Speaker 1] (3:16:46 - 3:16:46)
the the three agreement.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:46 - 3:16:47)
over the three months.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:47 - 3:16:47)
The agreement.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:47 - 3:16:48)
All right. It doesn't matter.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:48 - 3:16:48)
Not

[Speaker 1] (3:16:48 - 3:16:48)
It's

[Speaker 10] (3:16:48 - 3:16:48)
It

[Speaker 7] (3:16:48 - 3:16:48)
really.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:48 - 3:16:49)
in two different

[Speaker 1] (3:16:49 - 3:16:49)
it's

[Speaker 10] (3:16:49 - 3:16:49)
two

[Speaker 1] (3:16:49 - 3:16:49)
It's the different total

[Speaker 10] (3:16:49 - 3:16:49)
years.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:49 - 3:16:50)
value of the agreement.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:50 - 3:16:50)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:50 - 3:16:52)
So it's two different fiscal years there.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:52 - 3:16:57)
So I need to come back to a question on the actual budget. All right. And I brought this up numerous times.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:58 - 3:17:03)
And I still have to ask the question with the schools in at the end of last year.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:04 - 3:17:08)
You finished with over $600,000 savings in the budget.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:09 - 3:17:13)
I think almost 665 or 675.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:15 - 3:17:21)
98,000 was returned so that it would go back into the reserve account.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:21 - 3:17:26)
And 575,000 sit in a revolving account.

[Speaker 13] (3:17:27 - 3:17:29)
So didn't that 98,000 fall to free cash?

[Speaker 13] (3:17:30 - 3:17:31)
For one of all the free

[Speaker 10] (3:17:31 - 3:17:31)
It

[Speaker 1] (3:17:31 - 3:17:31)
cash goes you in didn't part recover. of the in goes the back.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:31 - 3:17:34)
of free ca it goes to free cash and then it goes back into

[Speaker 1] (3:17:34 - 3:17:34)
and then you recalculate.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:34 - 3:17:34)
It's the

[Speaker 13] (3:17:34 - 3:17:36)
not in reserve. a revolving account, you said.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:36 - 3:17:37)
No ninety

[Speaker 13] (3:17:37 - 3:17:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:37 - 3:17:44)
eight goes into free cash and into the special education reserve fund. So it goes it goes back in.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:45 - 3:17:46)
So

[Speaker 10] (3:17:48 - 3:17:48)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:49 - 3:17:51)
That's what we voted on at the town meeting.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:52 - 3:17:55)
It goes it goes it this is the channel. It goes into free cash Oh, and then

[Speaker 13] (3:17:55 - 3:17:55)
that's

[Speaker 10] (3:17:55 - 3:17:55)
out

[Speaker 13] (3:17:55 - 3:17:55)
because we

[Speaker 10] (3:17:55 - 3:17:55)
of free cash

[Speaker 13] (3:17:55 - 3:17:56)
voted that other

[Speaker 10] (3:17:56 - 3:17:56)
It

[Speaker 13] (3:17:56 - 3:17:56)
money goes that

[Speaker 10] (3:17:56 - 3:17:57)
into

[Speaker 13] (3:17:57 - 3:17:57)
we, we're

[Speaker 1] (3:17:57 - 3:17:58)
There,

[Speaker 13] (3:17:58 - 3:17:58)
going

[Speaker 1] (3:17:58 - 3:17:58)
their

[Speaker 13] (3:17:58 - 3:17:59)
to give them, we we

[Speaker 1] (3:17:59 - 3:17:59)
return

[Speaker 13] (3:17:59 - 3:17:59)
re-vote.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:59 - 3:18:00)
goes back

[Speaker 13] (3:18:00 - 3:18:00)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:00 - 3:18:00)
to them

[Speaker 13] (3:18:00 - 3:18:00)
got

[Speaker 1] (3:18:00 - 3:18:00)
for

[Speaker 13] (3:18:00 - 3:18:01)
that

[Speaker 10] (3:18:01 - 3:18:01)
their It

[Speaker 1] (3:18:01 - 3:18:01)
special

[Speaker 13] (3:18:01 - 3:18:01)
got it.

[Speaker 10] (3:18:01 - 3:18:01)
goes

[Speaker 1] (3:18:01 - 3:18:01)
ed.

[Speaker 13] (3:18:01 - 3:18:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:18:01 - 3:18:02)
back. Sorry.

[Speaker 10] (3:18:02 - 3:18:02)
Okay, but

[Speaker 13] (3:18:02 - 3:18:02)
Um,

[Speaker 10] (3:18:02 - 3:18:05)
five five hundred and seventy five thousand is moved over

[Speaker 10] (3:18:06 - 3:18:11)
it was saved five hundred and so it's saved in the budget in the 25 budget and then it's

[Speaker 10] (3:18:12 - 3:18:14)
moved over into a revolving account

[Speaker 2] (3:18:15 - 3:18:16)
Not sure.

[Speaker 10] (3:18:16 - 3:18:18)
In the hot they didn't hunt revolving account

[Speaker 10] (3:18:19 - 3:18:24)
And I think that 575 should be going on this, going on.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:27 - 3:18:30)
Okay, so is there any dispassionate

[Speaker 1] (3:18:30 - 3:18:31)
So can we clarify this? Can

[Speaker 2] (3:18:31 - 3:18:31)
way

[Speaker 1] (3:18:31 - 3:18:32)
we

[Speaker 2] (3:18:32 - 3:18:32)
that

[Speaker 3] (3:18:32 - 3:18:32)
I just finish?

[Speaker 2] (3:18:32 - 3:18:38)
we can walk through

[Speaker 2] (3:18:39 - 3:18:48)
How that money was is that part of the budget for going forward for this year and therefore you needed less because that was used for this year's budget

[Speaker 4] (3:18:48 - 3:18:50)
So I can tell you that if you...

[Speaker 4] (3:18:51 - 3:18:52)
One,

[Speaker 4] (3:18:52 - 3:18:55)
the non-payments come in installments.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:55 - 3:18:57)
So at certain times, yes,

[Speaker 4] (3:18:58 - 3:18:59)
it's high.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:59 - 3:19:00)
In June,

[Speaker 4] (3:19:00 - 3:19:01)
it's going to look different.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:01 - 3:19:07)
A year from June, it's going to look very different because we're using a lot of that money to reduce our assets this year.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:09 - 3:19:10)
And that's what I can tell you.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:10 - 3:19:13)
Can you just say that again so I can understand it?

[Speaker 4] (3:19:15 - 3:19:33)
The payments come, I believe it's three times a year from the hunt, okay. So depending on when you look, it could be high and depending on what we've paid, it could be lower. So right now it's high. In June it's gonna look different because that's when we have the payments to teacher salaries that come out of it for the summer.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:35 - 3:19:38)
We've also used that money to reduce our ask this year,

[Speaker 4] (3:19:38 - 3:19:39)
and

[Speaker 4] (3:19:41 - 3:19:45)
we're in negotiations with Manhattan right now.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:45 - 3:19:50)
So that's all I can really say about it.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:50 - 3:19:54)
I mean, we're smart about who we hired.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:55 - 3:19:56)
So for,

[Speaker 4] (3:19:56 - 3:19:57)
like we talked about earlier,

[Speaker 4] (3:19:57 - 3:20:03)
I think it was in the fall that this number looks different for a lot of different reasons. We had people leave our retirements, and then...

[Speaker 4] (3:20:04 - 3:20:14)
You know, I feel like I made a decision to, you know, tell our principals to hire low and somehow that's not maybe was the right thing.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:16 - 3:20:17)
But we,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:17 - 3:20:18)
for a multitude of reasons,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:18 - 3:20:20)
the hunt revolving account grew,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:20 - 3:20:22)
which is not necessarily a bad thing.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:23 - 3:20:26)
We're asking for way less now because we can use that money.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:27 - 3:20:31)
And again, that money is going to look different in June because that's when the payments go out.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:32 - 3:20:43)
And it's going to look a lot different a year from June because of where we are now, and we've reduced our RAS from three nine six, which I will stand by that if you look around was a very reasonable RAS, to three two five,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:44 - 3:20:47)
which to your point, we're using this to get lower. So

[Speaker 2] (3:20:49 - 3:20:49)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:50 - 3:20:56)
So in your Nahant report, when we asked for a report on what does the Nahant revolving account look like at the end of the year,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:56 - 3:20:58)
when it started in 2020,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:58 - 3:21:00)
I think at the end of the year it was zero.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:00 - 3:21:01)
I think the following year,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:01 - 3:21:02)
I don't know, Patrick,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:02 - 3:21:03)
can you pull up those numbers?

[Speaker 5] (3:21:04 - 3:21:05)
I don't have that in

[Speaker 1] (3:21:05 - 3:21:05)
You

[Speaker 5] (3:21:05 - 3:21:05)
front of me.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:05 - 3:21:06)
don't have that here?

[Speaker 1] (3:21:06 - 3:21:06)
Because,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:06 - 3:21:07)
I think you're right.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:07 - 3:21:09)
I think one year was zero, one year was negative,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:09 - 3:21:11)
one year is $200,000. I don't know what the number

[Speaker 1] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
I think,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
is that.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:11 - 3:21:12)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:12 - 3:21:17)
I think this year it's $575,000 and last year it was $135,000 and the year before it was $40,000.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:18 - 3:21:24)
And those are all at the same time markers that I got from the town accountant. So

[Speaker 4] (3:21:24 - 3:21:29)
I think it was, I think you're right. I think one of the years or a few of them there was in the 200,000s.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:32 - 3:21:33)
And yeah, And it went up.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:33 - 3:21:34)
Mary Ellen at the ballot.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:34 - 3:21:37)
For a multitude of reasons it went up. We're using it to reduce our ask.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:37 - 3:21:38)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
That's

[Speaker 6] (3:21:38 - 3:21:49)
I mean, I think what you're asking is that it be reduced further because they had savings. What they're saying is they've already utilized those savings in asking for the 3.25 for the budget. Correct?

[Speaker 2] (3:21:50 - 3:21:50)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:50 - 3:21:51)
A lot of it, yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:51 - 3:21:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:52 - 3:21:54)
Wait, a lot of it or all of it?

[Speaker 7] (3:21:54 - 3:21:54)
Oh no.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:54 - 3:21:55)
Not all of it. That wouldn't be

[Speaker 4] (3:21:56 - 3:21:56)
Not

[Speaker 6] (3:21:56 - 3:21:57)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
the

[Speaker 6] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
all,

[Speaker 4] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
whole Yep,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:57 - 3:21:58)
I'm sorry, all of the savings,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:58 - 3:22:06)
obviously there's funding that's in there related to the operations that are necessary and that's always kept in there, right?

[Speaker 4] (3:22:06 - 3:22:06)
exactly

[Speaker 6] (3:22:06 - 3:22:09)
There's a reasonable amount that's kept in there. But as discussed,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
there was an

[Speaker 6] (3:22:10 - 3:22:12)
additional amounts in there

[Speaker 4] (3:22:12 - 3:22:12)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:12 - 3:22:12)
and

[Speaker 4] (3:22:12 - 3:22:13)
which

[Speaker 6] (3:22:13 - 3:22:13)
you use

[Speaker 4] (3:22:13 - 3:22:13)
we have written,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:13 - 3:22:13)
those additional

[Speaker 4] (3:22:13 - 3:22:14)
we used to reduce.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:14 - 3:22:16)
amounts to offset the ask for this year.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:16 - 3:22:16)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:16 - 3:22:19)
So you literally used it as a savings

[Speaker 2] (3:22:19 - 3:22:20)
Savings account.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:20 - 3:22:26)
account to help you pay down the budget this year knowing that you might not be able to get the same dollar amount from us that you possibly could in other years.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:26 - 3:22:27)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:27 - 3:22:36)
So that's what occurred and that's what they did and that's that's why they can bring the budget down 3.25 percent because they saved last year and now they're utilizing it.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:36 - 3:22:38)
they're doing exactly what we're asking them to do.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:38 - 3:22:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:41 - 3:22:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:41 - 3:22:42)
I'm good with that.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:42 - 3:22:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:42 - 3:22:44)
I just want to see the numbers,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:44 - 3:22:44)
that's all.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:44 - 3:22:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:45 - 3:22:51)
And like what I would like to do is be thoughtful about how we're talking about

[Speaker 6] (3:22:51 - 3:23:01)
This because I do think that there was a big ask from the superintendent and the schools to take another look at the budget and go down as far as they possibly could just like we were.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:01 - 3:23:06)
And I think they committed to doing that. They've been great stewards of the ask.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:06 - 3:23:11)
And so I think we at some point do have to put this topic to bed.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:12 - 3:23:18)
I think we can't keep circling back to it and saying, well, the ask needs to be greater because there was X versus Y.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:18 - 3:23:20)
And so I think once we,

[Speaker 6] (3:23:20 - 3:23:22)
sounds like once we have the numbers,

[Speaker 6] (3:23:22 - 3:23:30)
maybe we can go forth and do that because what I don't want to happen is to show up at town meeting and have this be another thing that comes up that we have to now re-litigate on town meeting floor,

[Speaker 6] (3:23:30 - 3:23:34)
which is one to happen in the past three or four years.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:34 - 3:23:38)
I know obviously the five of us can't control that from happening. Anybody,

[Speaker 6] (3:23:38 - 3:23:47)
any town meeting member can bring it up, but we can do our best to get the information out to understand how the budget was realigned based on the funding.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:47 - 3:23:49)
that were found in that account.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:50 - 3:23:52)
Can you go back to the prior slide?

[Speaker 2] (3:23:58 - 3:23:59)
So I

[Speaker 2] (3:24:01 - 3:24:04)
hesitate to do this, but just for the sake of clarity,

[Speaker 2] (3:24:04 - 3:24:07)
$700,000 reduction in spending,

[Speaker 2] (3:24:07 - 3:24:08)
you said that was like...

[Speaker 2] (3:24:09 - 3:24:10)
$4.50 on the town side

[Speaker 8] (3:24:10 - 3:24:10)
We're

[Speaker 2] (3:24:10 - 3:24:11)
or

[Speaker 8] (3:24:11 - 3:24:12)
$60 and $245.

[Speaker 2] (3:24:12 - 3:24:12)
$2.45.

[Speaker 2] (3:24:13 - 3:24:23)
So am I correct to assume then based on this conversation that that $2.45 was the use of the Nahant revolving fund,

[Speaker 2] (3:24:23 - 3:24:26)
what anticipated balance at that point,

[Speaker 2] (3:24:26 - 3:24:27)
or was that other

[Speaker 2] (3:24:29 - 3:24:30)
substantive,

[Speaker 2] (3:24:30 - 3:24:33)
you know, cuts?

[Speaker 8] (3:24:33 - 3:24:34)
Cuts.

[Speaker 2] (3:24:35 - 3:24:37)
Just trying to make sure I'm following the bouncing ball here.

[Speaker 2] (3:24:40 - 3:24:41)
Does anyone know the answer to that question?

[Speaker 1] (3:24:41 - 3:24:43)
Well, I think that's a question for superintendents.

[Speaker 4] (3:24:43 - 3:24:47)
I'm sorry, at first I didn't think you were, I thought you were talking to Patrick, not me, I'm sorry. So you said you wanna know

[Speaker 2] (3:24:47 - 3:24:48)
That's a anyone that'll listen.

[Speaker 4] (3:24:48 - 3:24:57)
yeah, so so we had, in our ask, we reallocated funds certainly like, listen, there are things that uh we are constantly looking at efficiencies, okay?

[Speaker 4] (3:24:57 - 3:24:59)
So for example, um

[Speaker 4] (3:24:59 - 3:25:01)
we were reducing

[Speaker 4] (3:25:02 - 3:25:06)
uh metro bus. We reduced the Swamp Scot bus, we reduced the Mecca bu Mecca bus.

[Speaker 4] (3:25:06 - 3:25:18)
E_L_L_ students down throughout the Commonwealth and certainly are down in Swamp Scot, we reduced an E_L_L_ teacher. So we had reductions anyway. We reallocated some funds, we're things that we need. I mean with this, you know, we're not gonna get

[Speaker 4] (3:25:19 - 3:25:22)
the health teacher probably at the middle school that we've talked about for

[Speaker 1] (3:25:22 - 3:25:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:22 - 3:25:23)
Seven years.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:23 - 3:25:24)
So this is what I want to get through,

[Speaker 4] (3:25:24 - 3:25:25)
things we're we're not

[Speaker 2] (3:25:25 - 3:25:25)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:25:25 - 3:25:25)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:25:25 - 3:25:28)
want to I want to make sure we're just being clear here about like

[Speaker 2] (3:25:29 - 3:25:44)
what actually you had to cut in terms of getting here so everyone's just aware of that and so I I don't want to misunderstand or you know have any misunderstanding for anyone else is that the 225,000 245

[Speaker 1] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
245.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
245.

[Speaker 4] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
Yep,

[Speaker 2] (3:25:44 - 3:25:52)
why can't I remember that 245 was that like cutting out the health teacher or was that using the Nahan

[Speaker 4] (3:25:52 - 3:25:52)
both.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:52 - 3:25:58)
combination okay so there were things like that that the health teacher or

[Speaker 2] (3:25:58 - 3:26:00)
or other things that actually had to happen to

[Speaker 4] (3:26:00 - 3:26:00)
At

[Speaker 2] (3:26:00 - 3:26:00)
get to

[Speaker 4] (3:26:00 - 3:26:00)
the

[Speaker 2] (3:26:00 - 3:26:00)
this point.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:00 - 3:26:01)
396,

[Speaker 4] (3:26:01 - 3:26:12)
yes, things change from 396 to 325. But I'm confident that we can make it work and continue to produce a great product for the taxpayers in Swampscott and give the kids what they need.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:14 - 3:26:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:14 - 3:26:15)
At 3.25,

[Speaker 4] (3:26:15 - 3:26:16)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:16 - 3:26:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
I think when

[Speaker 1] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
But

[Speaker 6] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
there

[Speaker 1] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
I mean, it

[Speaker 6] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
are

[Speaker 1] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
it

[Speaker 6] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
parts

[Speaker 1] (3:26:17 - 3:26:17)
does

[Speaker 2] (3:26:17 - 3:26:18)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:26:18 - 3:26:18)
mean

[Speaker 2] (3:26:18 - 3:26:18)
I just,

[Speaker 1] (3:26:18 - 3:26:18)
that.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:18 - 3:26:20)
I know you feel probably halfway under attack.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:20 - 3:26:21)
So I just,

[Speaker 4] (3:26:21 - 3:26:22)
No, I feel great.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:22 - 3:26:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:24 - 3:26:26)
But I'm trying to give you an opportunity to

[Speaker 1] (3:26:26 - 3:26:26)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (3:26:26 - 3:26:27)
say

[Speaker 1] (3:26:27 - 3:26:27)
we

[Speaker 2] (3:26:27 - 3:26:41)
and what I want to make sure I understand is that you didn't cut things that maybe would be, you know, I mean, ultimately that would be horrifying to us. Like, I want to understand just

[Speaker 4] (3:26:41 - 3:26:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:41 - 3:26:41)
like what

[Speaker 6] (3:26:41 - 3:26:41)
The impact.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:41 - 3:26:42)
the depth of

[Speaker 4] (3:26:42 - 3:26:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:42 - 3:26:43)
that was.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:43 - 3:26:43)
The vast majority

[Speaker 2] (3:26:43 - 3:26:44)
Some

[Speaker 4] (3:26:44 - 3:26:44)
of

[Speaker 2] (3:26:44 - 3:26:44)
ways I'd

[Speaker 4] (3:26:44 - 3:26:44)
my... No.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:44 - 3:26:46)
be like thrilled if you just said,

[Speaker 2] (3:26:46 - 3:26:49)
hey, the Nahant thing took care of all of it. I didn't have to, you know, but.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:49 - 3:26:51)
But it took care of enough of it,

[Speaker 10] (3:26:51 - 3:26:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:51 - 3:27:02)
and we're going to continue to be smart with our hiring practices and use all of our resources to be making sure that, like I said, we're getting everything that we need, um

[Speaker 1] (3:27:02 - 3:27:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:02 - 3:27:05)
but not everything that we want probably.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:06 - 3:27:06)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:06 - 3:27:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:07 - 3:27:07)
And

[Speaker 11] (3:27:08 - 3:27:10)
And we have a larger ask the next year.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:11 - 3:27:11)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:12 - 3:27:12)
Right?

[Speaker 11] (3:27:12 - 3:27:13)
I mean it

[Speaker 1] (3:27:13 - 3:27:13)
Good

[Speaker 11] (3:27:13 - 3:27:13)
it

[Speaker 1] (3:27:13 - 3:27:13)
point.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:13 - 3:27:17)
it all comes back. So if we don't have that, it'll just be a larger ask.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:17 - 3:27:18)
Wait

[Speaker 11] (3:27:18 - 3:27:23)
And we also have a lower circuit breaker that we that we've been operating under,

[Speaker 11] (3:27:23 - 3:27:24)
which is also not good.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:24 - 3:27:26)
Good practice. It's not good fiscal practice,

[Speaker 11] (3:27:26 - 3:27:27)
but we've kind of entered in that.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:27 - 3:27:34)
So those are things to think about and asking us what we we're going to cut right now or add in right now.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:35 - 3:27:41)
That's not how the school budget operates. The student population is changing and the needs change every day.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:41 - 3:27:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:41 - 3:27:44)
The delta that we manage in special ed is.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:45 - 3:27:50)
anywhere favorable $500,000 to negative $1 million every day

[Speaker 11] (3:27:50 - 3:27:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:51 - 3:27:59)
in that that for that year so it's a really hard question you're asking because we don't it changes student need changes every day

[Speaker 2] (3:28:01 - 3:28:05)
I understand that. But I have to say that I've heard you say that before,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:05 - 3:28:05)
Martha,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:05 - 3:28:09)
it's a very frustrating answer because I understand it varies,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:09 - 3:28:10)
of course.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:10 - 3:28:12)
But when you do budgets, you have to actually pick something,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:12 - 3:28:13)
right?

[Speaker 2] (3:28:13 - 3:28:13)
So,

[Speaker 11] (3:28:13 - 3:28:13)
We

[Speaker 2] (3:28:13 - 3:28:14)
and

[Speaker 11] (3:28:14 - 3:28:14)
do.

[Speaker 11] (3:28:14 - 3:28:14)
We picked

[Speaker 2] (3:28:14 - 3:28:14)
you do.

[Speaker 11] (3:28:14 - 3:28:15)
it and

[Speaker 2] (3:28:15 - 3:28:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 11] (3:28:15 - 3:28:15)
we

[Speaker 2] (3:28:15 - 3:28:15)
you do.

[Speaker 11] (3:28:15 - 3:28:16)
freeze it.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:16 - 3:28:16)
But

[Speaker 11] (3:28:16 - 3:28:16)
We freeze

[Speaker 2] (3:28:16 - 3:28:16)
that's

[Speaker 11] (3:28:16 - 3:28:17)
it when in December.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:17 - 3:28:19)
you say that it varies and you can't predict,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:19 - 3:28:19)
then it's

[Speaker 2] (3:28:19 - 3:28:19)
predict,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:19 - 3:28:19)
I report

[Speaker 2] (3:28:19 - 3:28:19)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:28:19 - 3:28:24)
out every single week to Cheryl where I went up and down on

[Speaker 2] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
understand

[Speaker 1] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
it.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:24 - 3:28:25)
all that.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:25 - 3:28:26)
But ultimately,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:26 - 3:28:28)
to actually go down on a number,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:28 - 3:28:31)
I don't think you just sit back there and say,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:32 - 3:28:35)
oh, I'm picking $100,000 and I have no idea where I'm going to get it from.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:35 - 3:28:36)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:36 - 3:28:38)
Oh, no, we have circuit breaker for that. That's why you have

[Speaker 2] (3:28:38 - 3:28:38)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:28:38 - 3:28:38)
that.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:38 - 3:28:40)
I'm not even talking about special education.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:41 - 3:28:41)
So Are yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:41 - 3:28:44)
you talking about the general education operating budget?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:44 - 3:28:45)
That still changes too.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:46 - 3:28:47)
But yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:47 - 3:28:49)
we picked a number and that's where we're going to land.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:50 - 3:28:52)
But it's similar to like, I guess, snow,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:52 - 3:28:53)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:53 - 3:28:54)
You don't know what the snow is going to be.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:55 - 3:28:57)
But you still have to put a number down on

[Speaker 1] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
the Exactly.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
page,

[Speaker 3] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:57 - 3:29:03)
And we do that. And then, you know, for your options, you guys go back, similar I was hearing maybe overtime for police,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:03 - 3:29:08)
that you go back into free cash to fill it. Well, we don't, we can't, we don't do that.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:08 - 3:29:09)
Well, we're not doing that either anymore,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:09 - 3:29:09)
So,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:09 - 3:29:10)
so.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:10 - 3:29:13)
but it sounds like that has been a practice, but we don't, we don't do that on the school end.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:13 - 3:29:22)
But there is mandated services we have to give and we have some revolving accounts and we have circuit breaker to help do that so that we're not firing a teacher midyear.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:23 - 3:29:27)
or moving class sizes to 40 so I guess

[Speaker 4] (3:29:27 - 3:29:27)
Yep,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:27 - 3:29:49)
that's what I would say about if that makes sense but we are doing we do I know we have a whole bunch of questions from Fincom which we answered and we do do the public you know where we do present the budget all of us are there and I don't think anybody asked one question at it I also do a presentation in May about the entire special education budget

[Speaker 1] (3:29:50 - 3:29:58)
And I don't see anyone there at it. So I guess I would want to say that there are times we were there to really go as deep as you want into every detail you want.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:59 - 3:30:06)
But it doesn't really happen that way because now it's 10 o'clock and we came. I wasn't supposed to speak tonight.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:06 - 3:30:08)
But when we were there, nobody did ask.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:08 - 3:30:08)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:08 - 3:30:11)
And I guess we're really skilled.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:11 - 3:30:15)
We do know what we're doing. I would invite you all to be there.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:15 - 3:30:16)
to speak to us.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:17 - 3:30:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:17 - 3:30:20)
But I don't want people not to think that it's not transparent. It's transparent.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:21 - 3:30:22)
It's all over the Department of Ed website,

[Speaker 1] (3:30:23 - 3:30:23)
everything we do.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:24 - 3:30:24)
And Martha,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:24 - 3:30:29)
we love what you're doing. I have no idea where this conversation is coming from.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:30 - 3:30:31)
I wasn't even asking you a question.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:31 - 3:30:36)
I'm sorry that you feel like you have to answer these questions because I wasn't even asking you a question.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:36 - 3:30:39)
Well, I think it's just we're kind of a team, like we work together.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:39 - 3:30:42)
So I guess that's just

[Speaker 6] (3:30:42 - 3:30:43)
If

[Speaker 7] (3:30:43 - 3:30:44)
Okay, if we could if you don't mind,

[Speaker 7] (3:30:45 - 3:30:45)
Rena.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:45 - 3:30:46)
I could just ask,

[Speaker 7] (3:30:46 - 3:30:46)
Please.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:46 - 3:30:55)
for the purposes of this, the two direct questions put back in the 8500 seems to be the will of the board for this year.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:56 - 3:30:58)
And we can work with REC and others.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:58 - 3:30:59)
Is that okay with everyone?

[Speaker 8] (3:31:00 - 3:31:07)
I would I would prefer you go back and look and see if you could get the eighty-five hundred out of the REC revolving account. I don't I really don't wanna add anything more into this budget.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:07 - 3:31:09)
Well, that's a question for Patrick, right, to see if he's

[Speaker 3] (3:31:09 - 3:31:09)
going to get

[Speaker 6] (3:31:09 - 3:31:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:09 - 3:31:10)
the information.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:10 - 3:31:11)
right. So he's gonna take that

[Speaker 6] (3:31:11 - 3:31:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:11 - 3:31:11)
away.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:11 - 3:31:12)
My gut reaction,

[Speaker 7] (3:31:13 - 3:31:13)
that's probably not

[Speaker 8] (3:31:14 - 3:31:14)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:31:14 - 3:31:16)
It's not a good place to go for that, but I'll

[Speaker 8] (3:31:16 - 3:31:16)
But

[Speaker 10] (3:31:16 - 3:31:16)
let

[Speaker 8] (3:31:16 - 3:31:19)
why just help me understand why it's a recreation

[Speaker 10] (3:31:19 - 3:31:21)
If it's not a programme that

[Speaker 8] (3:31:21 - 3:31:22)
that they pay for.

[Speaker 10] (3:31:22 - 3:31:23)
is generating programme revenue,

[Speaker 8] (3:31:23 - 3:31:25)
You don't pay to go to the Fourth of July show.

[Speaker 10] (3:31:25 - 3:31:27)
that's uh general public similar

[Speaker 8] (3:31:27 - 3:31:27)
Right,

[Speaker 10] (3:31:27 - 3:31:28)
to like a community

[Speaker 8] (3:31:28 - 3:31:28)
but we didn't

[Speaker 10] (3:31:28 - 3:31:28)
event.

[Speaker 8] (3:31:28 - 3:31:32)
pay to go to Easter, Easter bunny hunt or whatever

[Speaker 6] (3:31:32 - 3:31:32)
We

[Speaker 8] (3:31:32 - 3:31:32)
we will, just did.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:32 - 3:31:32)
we will

[Speaker 7] (3:31:32 - 3:31:33)
You do share

[Speaker 10] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
We

[Speaker 8] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
We

[Speaker 6] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
will

[Speaker 8] (3:31:33 - 3:31:34)
it, well I guess

[Speaker 10] (3:31:34 - 3:31:34)
do pay

[Speaker 8] (3:31:34 - 3:31:34)
this year

[Speaker 10] (3:31:34 - 3:31:34)
to go on

[Speaker 8] (3:31:34 - 3:31:34)
now

[Speaker 10] (3:31:34 - 3:31:35)
Easter

[Speaker 8] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
you pay

[Speaker 10] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
egg

[Speaker 8] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
five

[Speaker 10] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
hunt.

[Speaker 8] (3:31:35 - 3:31:42)
dollars, like there might be a ring about that, you know. But um but in the past we paid for Easter bunny hunt.

[Speaker 8] (3:31:42 - 3:31:43)
Out of the revolving account.

[Speaker 10] (3:31:43 - 3:31:45)
That's my gut reaction that I will

[Speaker 6] (3:31:45 - 3:31:45)
We will

[Speaker 10] (3:31:45 - 3:31:45)
get

[Speaker 6] (3:31:45 - 3:31:45)
we

[Speaker 10] (3:31:45 - 3:31:46)
a firmer

[Speaker 6] (3:31:46 - 3:31:59)
will look at that. Um I I would request if possible that we do get a vote from you to move this to Fincom because Fincom has not started a detailed review yet because they're waiting for

[Speaker 6] (3:32:00 - 3:32:04)
A vote from you all. The charter requires you all to move it forward to FinCom.

[Speaker 10] (3:32:04 - 3:32:05)
Which we

[Speaker 6] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
And

[Speaker 10] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
should.

[Speaker 8] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
To

[Speaker 10] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
shouldn't

[Speaker 8] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
FinCom's

[Speaker 10] (3:32:05 - 3:32:06)
that be

[Speaker 8] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
a whole

[Speaker 10] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
formed?

[Speaker 8] (3:32:06 - 3:32:07)
budget, or what do They we...

[Speaker 6] (3:32:07 - 3:32:11)
have not gone through this in a line-by-line manner because they are waiting for a vote from the Select Board.

[Speaker 8] (3:32:12 - 3:32:12)
Uh...

[Speaker 6] (3:32:12 - 3:32:16)
We had this discussion in the last two FinCom that they would like it to move.

[Speaker 10] (3:32:17 - 3:32:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:32:17 - 3:32:26)
And the charter does require that it moves from here to them. We can continue to make edits to it and we will continue to put it on the agenda with you all and we can provide

[Speaker 7] (3:32:26 - 3:32:27)
And

[Speaker 6] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
any updates that

[Speaker 7] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
so

[Speaker 6] (3:32:27 - 3:32:28)
may be.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:28 - 3:32:30)
I guess the only sorry to interrupt.

[Speaker 6] (3:32:30 - 3:32:30)
No, go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:30 - 3:32:31)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 6] (3:32:31 - 3:32:31)
It's fine. Go

[Speaker 7] (3:32:31 - 3:32:32)
The

[Speaker 6] (3:32:32 - 3:32:32)
ahead.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:32 - 3:32:33)
only I guess we could

[Speaker 7] (3:32:35 - 3:32:45)
Uh, vote I would entertain a vote to move it forward to FinCom, but I just would like to understand if it is to include the eighty five hundred or not to include the eighty five hundred.

[Speaker 10] (3:32:45 - 3:32:46)
I I think

[Speaker 7] (3:32:46 - 3:32:46)
I want we to present

[Speaker 10] (3:32:46 - 3:32:46)
should probably

[Speaker 7] (3:32:46 - 3:32:46)
them with

[Speaker 10] (3:32:46 - 3:32:48)
include the eighty five hundred.

[Speaker 8] (3:32:48 - 3:32:53)
And if we find out from Patrick that it can be used, that we can use revolving, we can take it out, right?

[Speaker 6] (3:32:53 - 3:32:54)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:54 - 3:32:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:32:54 - 3:32:56)
But I think we should keep it in there for this year.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:56 - 3:32:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:57 - 3:32:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:32:57 - 3:32:58)
That would be my request.

[Speaker 10] (3:32:58 - 3:33:06)
And the request would be even though we're approving it to go to FINCOM that we would still take a m more deep dive into the overtime and the savings related to police

[Speaker 6] (3:33:06 - 3:33:06)
Correct.

[Speaker 10] (3:33:06 - 3:33:07)
and fire which you

[Speaker 6] (3:33:07 - 3:33:07)
They

[Speaker 10] (3:33:07 - 3:33:07)
are

[Speaker 6] (3:33:07 - 3:33:09)
would allow them to begin their review individually

[Speaker 10] (3:33:09 - 3:33:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:10 - 3:33:14)
by getting it to them, and then we will absolutely have police and fire come on the 8th.

[Speaker 8] (3:33:14 - 3:33:15)
And then what about capital?

[Speaker 11] (3:33:16 - 3:33:16)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (3:33:16 - 3:33:16)
Alright,

[Speaker 11] (3:33:16 - 3:33:16)
that's

[Speaker 10] (3:33:16 - 3:33:17)
this just

[Speaker 11] (3:33:17 - 3:33:17)
at the

[Speaker 10] (3:33:17 - 3:33:17)
sucks next.

[Speaker 11] (3:33:17 - 3:33:18)
that's the next conversation.

[Speaker 10] (3:33:18 - 3:33:19)
That's the next But conversation.

[Speaker 8] (3:33:19 - 3:33:21)
the capital number is in the budget.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:22 - 3:33:25)
We can't just as with other things it can still be adjusted.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:27 - 3:33:30)
Are you asking us to vote up or down on this budget,

[Speaker 3] (3:33:30 - 3:33:30)
just just

[Speaker 10] (3:33:30 - 3:33:31)
To

[Speaker 3] (3:33:31 - 3:33:31)
just

[Speaker 10] (3:33:31 - 3:33:31)
pass

[Speaker 3] (3:33:31 - 3:33:32)
to push it forward

[Speaker 10] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32)
it.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32)
to move the process

[Speaker 11] (3:33:32 - 3:33:33)
it forward.

[Speaker 10] (3:33:33 - 3:33:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:33 - 3:33:33)
wise?

[Speaker 10] (3:33:33 - 3:33:34)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:34 - 3:33:34)
No,

[Speaker 10] (3:33:34 - 3:33:34)
Vote

[Speaker 3] (3:33:34 - 3:33:34)
okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:33:34 - 3:33:34)
And

[Speaker 10] (3:33:34 - 3:33:35)
to pass the

[Speaker 11] (3:33:35 - 3:33:35)
then do

[Speaker 10] (3:33:35 - 3:33:35)
budget.

[Speaker 11] (3:33:35 - 3:33:42)
we have do we have clarification from the board as to how we're going to handle part-time staff with the DPW the summer the summer help?

[Speaker 6] (3:33:45 - 3:33:45)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:33:45 - 3:33:45)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (3:33:45 - 3:33:46)
think he's asking you all, not me.

[Speaker 11] (3:33:46 - 3:33:47)
I'm asking yeah, I'm asking the board.

[Speaker 8] (3:33:47 - 3:33:50)
Oh, sorry. So is that a number you want your request

[Speaker 11] (3:33:50 - 3:33:50)
I was

[Speaker 8] (3:33:50 - 3:33:51)
to put

[Speaker 11] (3:33:51 - 3:33:51)
I was I

[Speaker 8] (3:33:51 - 3:33:51)
be

[Speaker 11] (3:33:51 - 3:33:51)
was

[Speaker 8] (3:33:51 - 3:33:51)
put

[Speaker 11] (3:33:51 - 3:33:52)
looking

[Speaker 8] (3:33:52 - 3:33:52)
back in?

[Speaker 11] (3:33:52 - 3:33:55)
to I was looking to put back in the fifteen thousand three sixty.

[Speaker 10] (3:33:55 - 3:33:56)
Oh, it's fifteen hundred. Fifteen thousand?

[Speaker 11] (3:33:56 - 3:33:57)
Fifteen thousand.

[Speaker 8] (3:33:57 - 3:33:57)
Fifteen thousand.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:00 - 3:34:00)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:34:00 - 3:34:00)
I think

[Speaker 8] (3:34:00 - 3:34:21)
I think we're in a we're in a I think we need to get clarification from Gino of what that actually entails right so we know what we're if we don't put that back in what we're what we risk is that trash being picked up every day in the summer like what what is that is there something we can identify that that fifteen thousand affects right I mean I think that's a fair question

[Speaker 6] (3:34:22 - 3:34:24)
It was the cut that he identified when we asked.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:24 - 3:34:25)
That he could, he could

[Speaker 7] (3:34:25 - 3:34:25)
You

[Speaker 1] (3:34:25 - 3:34:25)
live without,

[Speaker 7] (3:34:25 - 3:34:25)
know, it says

[Speaker 6] (3:34:25 - 3:34:26)
reductions,

[Speaker 1] (3:34:26 - 3:34:26)
which

[Speaker 6] (3:34:26 - 3:34:26)
correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:26 - 3:34:30)
sometimes he does very generously, but I don't want it to be at a cost.

[Speaker 11] (3:34:30 - 3:34:32)
It was a cut that he made last year too,

[Speaker 10] (3:34:32 - 3:34:32)
Right,

[Speaker 11] (3:34:32 - 3:34:32)
and he

[Speaker 10] (3:34:32 - 3:34:32)
right.

[Speaker 11] (3:34:32 - 3:34:33)
really could have reused.

[Speaker 10] (3:34:33 - 3:34:36)
Yeah and then on top of that he gave us ten thousand out of snow and ice.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:36 - 3:34:37)
All right.

[Speaker 6] (3:34:37 - 3:34:37)
Well that's not happening.

[Speaker 10] (3:34:37 - 3:34:38)
Well that's not happening this year,

[Speaker 11] (3:34:38 - 3:34:39)
No.

[Speaker 10] (3:34:39 - 3:34:46)
but I'm just saying this is what Gino does and he always does his very best to make it work and I don't think anybody's noticed a difference between.

[Speaker 10] (3:34:47 - 3:35:01)
you know, the the beautification of Swampscott based on that fifteen thousand dollars. So I would venture to say, as much as I would love to give it to him, that we that is not something we can do right now. So I would vote in favour of the eighty five hundred, but

[Speaker 11] (3:35:01 - 3:35:08)
That that's fine. I'm not I'm not gonna die on that hill. So let's let's I'm I'm happy to make a motion with the eighty five hundred to advance this to FinCom.

[Speaker 8] (3:35:08 - 3:35:09)
Second.

[Speaker 10] (3:35:10 - 3:35:11)
Any more further discussion?

[Speaker 3] (3:35:11 - 3:35:14)
Yeah, I just want to say that I am not satisfied with where we're at.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:14 - 3:35:15)
So in no way,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:15 - 3:35:24)
shape or form do I want my vote to move it along in the process to indicate that I'm feeling good about where we're at because I think we're at still an unsustainable level.

[Speaker 8] (3:35:24 - 3:35:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:24 - 3:35:25)
May I ask a question?

[Speaker 3] (3:35:26 - 3:35:26)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:26 - 3:35:27)
Where would you like us to be?

[Speaker 6] (3:35:29 - 3:35:30)
Because we need a target.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:30 - 3:35:31)
It can't,

[Speaker 10] (3:35:31 - 3:35:31)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:31 - 3:35:35)
we want to be responsive to the request. I'm not saying it to be smart.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:35 - 3:35:36)
Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:36 - 3:35:38)
We want to be responsive to the request of the board.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:38 - 3:35:41)
So we need to have a target of where you would like us to go.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:41 - 3:35:46)
Understood. But without seeing that without seeing those next those next few years with that conservative projection,

[Speaker 11] (3:35:46 - 3:35:53)
it's really difficult for us. It's really difficult for me speaking for myself to to look at this to look at this budget and say,

[Speaker 11] (3:35:53 - 3:35:53)
well,

[Speaker 11] (3:35:53 - 3:35:54)
I think we should.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:54 - 3:36:15)
you know, we should dip a million dollars in or eight hundred thousand dollars in. We're just trying to determine what this runway is, what the trajectory is so we can avoid that operational over-ride. Knowing when the gro when growth is as round of a number or as conservative of a figure as you'll you'll put on that, what that looks like moving forward. I other otherwise we're just we're

[Speaker 10] (3:36:16 - 3:36:16)
I think.

[Speaker 11] (3:36:16 - 3:36:21)
we're guessing and we're shooting in the dark, however you want to call it. It's ten oh five, sorry.

[Speaker 11] (3:36:22 - 3:36:32)
Um so I I I think we need that information to be able to to to get you our you know to to have to have a more rifled approach to this for for me

[Speaker 6] (3:36:33 - 3:36:33)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:36:33 - 3:36:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:33 - 3:36:33)
I

[Speaker 8] (3:36:33 - 3:36:35)
And agree. the takeaway is the five-year projection.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:35 - 3:36:36)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (3:36:36 - 3:36:36)
Right?

[Speaker 6] (3:36:36 - 3:36:36)
And

[Speaker 8] (3:36:36 - 3:36:43)
Those numbers will kind of direct how we direct you to look for more cuts, if necessary,

[Speaker 8] (3:36:43 - 3:36:43)
or where or

[Speaker 11] (3:36:43 - 3:36:44)
or more revenue or

[Speaker 8] (3:36:44 - 3:36:44)
identify

[Speaker 11] (3:36:44 - 3:36:45)
when the

[Speaker 8] (3:36:45 - 3:36:45)
or

[Speaker 11] (3:36:45 - 3:36:45)
revenue

[Speaker 8] (3:36:45 - 3:36:45)
right

[Speaker 11] (3:36:45 - 3:36:45)
or

[Speaker 8] (3:36:45 - 3:36:46)
or revenue assumptions.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:47 - 3:36:48)
kind of give you that

[Speaker 10] (3:36:48 - 3:36:48)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (3:36:48 - 3:36:49)
credit.

[Speaker 10] (3:36:49 - 3:36:54)
in the end it's gonna it is literally just a point in time where we say

[Speaker 10] (3:36:55 - 3:37:21)
I mean this the tales all the time we are we value the goods and services we have and our taxpayers value them so much that they have to pay for them or the taxpayers have said we are not interested in paying anything additional therefore goods and services have to get cut I mean those are the only two options so at some point you're going to have to say okay so we have a five-year runway hopefully hopefully right five or six year runway and it looks like we can get

[Speaker 10] (3:37:21 - 3:37:34)
maybe two-ish years out of this and then we're looking at something else and that's when basically it's going to say like that's when we're going to start cutting goods and services or that's what like that's

[Speaker 6] (3:37:34 - 3:37:35)
If I could ask

[Speaker 10] (3:37:35 - 3:37:35)
please

[Speaker 6] (3:37:35 - 3:37:36)
another way,

[Speaker 10] (3:37:36 - 3:37:36)
correct

[Speaker 11] (3:37:36 - 3:37:36)
please.

[Speaker 6] (3:37:36 - 3:37:43)
the idea is to totally avoid over five years having ever going to the voters

[Speaker 10] (3:37:43 - 3:37:43)
I

[Speaker 6] (3:37:43 - 3:37:43)
with an override.

[Speaker 11] (3:37:44 - 3:37:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (3:37:44 - 3:37:45)
which means at some point

[Speaker 10] (3:37:45 - 3:37:47)
don't know that that's not possible

[Speaker 11] (3:37:47 - 3:37:47)
What?

[Speaker 8] (3:37:47 - 3:37:48)
It might be possible.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:48 - 3:37:49)
It might be possible.

[Speaker 8] (3:37:49 - 3:37:57)
It might be possible because we might have to implement a trash fee at some point or a 50% trash fee. It might be things we need to do.

[Speaker 8] (3:37:59 - 3:38:01)
We just, we have to look at it a little bit differently.

[Speaker 11] (3:38:01 - 3:38:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:01 - 3:38:08)
And if you get, if, you know, and this is easy to say, especially at this point, much easier than it is to do,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:08 - 3:38:11)
but if you get the base down 500,000 more,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:11 - 3:38:13)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:13 - 3:38:14)
the multiplication of.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:34 - 3:38:37)
So we talk about the average tax bill and what the increases are.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:37 - 3:38:39)
We've been buying down the tax rate.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:39 - 3:38:44)
And we're expending one-time money on operating expenditures.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:44 - 3:38:48)
Over time, if we're making transfers every year, that is an operating expense.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:48 - 3:38:56)
We are not accurately budgeting for the expense that the town has incurred over the five-year look back that we currently use.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:57 - 3:39:04)
So it's a little bit of a, you know, like we're having this discussion saying we've kept the tax rate low, but

[Speaker 3] (3:39:05 - 3:39:10)
We're not budgeting for what we actually spend, we're just hoping that there'll be free cash that can cover the things that we didn't budget for.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:12 - 3:39:23)
That's the rub that we have had a little bit of discussion about, like overtime is a perfect example. If we're using doing these transfers annually, then we should recognise it in the budget because that's what's really happening.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:24 - 3:39:26)
That was how why we came to you with that.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:26 - 3:39:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:26 - 3:39:43)
We took the direction, we took that out, we'll figure out what we do going forward. When I asked for a goal, and it you did give it to me at the end, like if we're saying we need to get through the next five years without ever considering an override, then to Mary Mary Ellen's point, you know, I almost said Marianne, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 4] (3:39:43 - 3:39:44)
That's okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:44 - 3:39:46)
it's too many Mary with, you know.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:48 - 3:39:55)
It is either revenue or cuts, because what we tried to do with the level service was these are the things that the community

[Speaker 5] (3:39:55 - 3:39:56)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:56 - 3:39:56)
valued and used and

[Speaker 5] (3:39:56 - 3:39:57)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:57 - 3:39:58)
access on a regular basis

[Speaker 5] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:58 - 3:40:07)
without trying to cut too close to the bone on anything. Um because, you know, it's why people made the decision to live here or move here or stay here. Um

[Speaker 1] (3:40:07 - 3:40:14)
Have you incorporated all of the proposed cuts you got from the different departments at this point or selectively?

[Speaker 1] (3:40:15 - 3:40:16)
Just a little bit

[Speaker 3] (3:40:16 - 3:40:16)
I would

[Speaker 1] (3:40:16 - 3:40:16)
here and there.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:16 - 3:40:22)
say there were a handful that someone suggested that we thought was, to the way you described Gino,

[Speaker 3] (3:40:22 - 3:40:23)
someone trying to make

[Speaker 7] (3:40:23 - 3:40:24)
Find a need

[Speaker 3] (3:40:24 - 3:40:25)
it work the right way,

[Speaker 3] (3:40:25 - 3:40:28)
but when we actually look at what they've been spending over the last five years.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:30 - 3:40:35)
in the you know year to date like it didn't add up so so

[Speaker 8] (3:40:35 - 3:40:35)
You take

[Speaker 3] (3:40:35 - 3:40:35)
that that

[Speaker 8] (3:40:35 - 3:40:35)
it you've that taken

[Speaker 3] (3:40:35 - 3:40:36)
was

[Speaker 8] (3:40:36 - 3:40:39)
anything you feel is reasonable from that offering but not

[Speaker 3] (3:40:39 - 3:40:56)
right and we can definitely go back and say if we're talking about salary or if we're talking about programming that is an expense that we would cut the program that that was not the request of them we said level service and I think the goal is five percent on you know whether it's expense or or salary to figure out what we could do

[Speaker 3] (3:40:56 - 3:41:00)
you, because it's been multiple years of shaving closely on expenses already.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:01 - 3:41:04)
But like let's also look at revenue as well.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:04 - 3:41:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:04 - 3:41:18)
You know, one of the one of the things I know there's a twenty I believe 2018 parking study that was that was done in conjunction with the M_A_P_C_ which talks about the need for

[Speaker 11] (3:41:18 - 3:41:18)
Metered parking.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:18 - 3:41:23)
that they need for metered parking. Um that's one of the findings in that in that study I

[Speaker 10] (3:41:23 - 3:41:29)
I, you know, I know we have, you know, there's there's the potential to generate revenue by

[Speaker 10] (3:41:31 - 3:41:34)
By charging for parking along Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 12] (3:41:34 - 3:41:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:34 - 3:41:35)
I think we should be I think

[Speaker 12] (3:41:35 - 3:41:35)
I think

[Speaker 10] (3:41:35 - 3:41:36)
we should you're be exploring

[Speaker 12] (3:41:36 - 3:41:36)
looking into

[Speaker 10] (3:41:36 - 3:41:36)
that that

[Speaker 3] (3:41:36 - 3:41:36)
Mm.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:36 - 3:41:37)
that option.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:37 - 3:41:38)
Yeah, and the trash fee.

[Speaker 12] (3:41:38 - 3:41:39)
He's

[Speaker 8] (3:41:39 - 3:41:39)
You

[Speaker 12] (3:41:39 - 3:41:39)
looking at

[Speaker 8] (3:41:39 - 3:41:39)
can

[Speaker 12] (3:41:39 - 3:41:40)
that. We have the trash

[Speaker 8] (3:41:40 - 3:41:40)
bring

[Speaker 12] (3:41:40 - 3:41:40)
fee.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:40 - 3:41:41)
them up now.

[Speaker 12] (3:41:41 - 3:41:41)
Revenue.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:41 - 3:41:42)
Let's get them on the table,

[Speaker 3] (3:41:42 - 3:41:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:42 - 3:41:42)
like

[Speaker 12] (3:41:42 - 3:41:42)
And then

[Speaker 8] (3:41:42 - 3:41:45)
so people can weigh back and forth like whether or not they want

[Speaker 12] (3:41:45 - 3:41:45)
Possible

[Speaker 8] (3:41:45 - 3:41:46)
tax ambulance. bill.

[Speaker 8] (3:41:46 - 3:41:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:46 - 3:41:56)
It it's it's it's not something that you necessarily need to flip the switch tomorrow, but let's start having that conversation today in conjunction with this five-year plan So that we're not flat-footed

[Speaker 10] (3:41:58 - 3:41:58)
So it

[Speaker 3] (3:41:58 - 3:41:58)
I think,

[Speaker 10] (3:41:58 - 3:42:00)
in in in six months

[Speaker 3] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
the

[Speaker 10] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
or

[Speaker 3] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
things

[Speaker 10] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
a year.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:00 - 3:42:20)
makes perfect sense, the distinction I make between those two sources, the fee and parking, we would not want to be balancing. But the parking is one time revenue because we don't know how often someone's going, like that can change significantly year to year based on what's going on in the economy or anywhere else, whereas the fee is treated like a utility, like you're paying

[Speaker 13] (3:42:21 - 3:42:21)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:21 - 3:42:23)
quarterly a portion of whatever the fee is set at,

[Speaker 3] (3:42:23 - 3:42:24)
which would

[Speaker 3] (3:42:24 - 3:42:27)
would ultimately limit the subsidy that we currently give

[Speaker 10] (3:42:27 - 3:42:28)
But we

[Speaker 3] (3:42:28 - 3:42:28)
to can that

[Speaker 10] (3:42:28 - 3:42:29)
also budget very,

[Speaker 3] (3:42:29 - 3:42:29)
roadways.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:29 - 3:42:31)
we can also budget that revenue item very conservatively.

[Speaker 14] (3:42:31 - 3:42:32)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:32 - 3:42:33)
Yeah, we have other things that

[Speaker 10] (3:42:33 - 3:42:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:33 - 3:42:36)
go up and down, right? We have building permits that go up and down too.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:36 - 3:42:47)
Right, but generally communities would have like a revolving fund for parking revenue that would pay for something for the police department or something for enforcement or fleet or whatever, and it'd defray some other cost when it's available.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:47 - 3:42:48)
That's all I'm saying.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:48 - 3:42:49)
I wouldn't want to build

[Speaker 14] (3:42:49 - 3:42:49)
Characterize

[Speaker 3] (3:42:49 - 3:42:50)
the idea

[Speaker 10] (3:42:50 - 3:42:50)
We're

[Speaker 14] (3:42:50 - 3:42:50)
it.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:50 - 3:42:50)
that

[Speaker 10] (3:42:50 - 3:42:50)
not trying

[Speaker 3] (3:42:50 - 3:42:50)
we can

[Speaker 10] (3:42:50 - 3:42:51)
to balance

[Speaker 3] (3:42:51 - 3:42:51)
that's

[Speaker 10] (3:42:51 - 3:42:52)
our budget with parking.

[Speaker 14] (3:42:52 - 3:42:52)
We're

[Speaker 3] (3:42:52 - 3:42:52)
what I mean.

[Speaker 14] (3:42:52 - 3:42:52)
not going to,

[Speaker 10] (3:42:52 - 3:42:53)
No.

[Speaker 14] (3:42:53 - 3:42:53)
right.

[Speaker 15] (3:42:53 - 3:42:53)
I think.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:53 - 3:43:04)
Where is the trash fee? I mean we've talked about it a little bit even in the solid waste discussions. That is a significant thing that limits the subsidy and thus frees up general fund money to be spent on other priorities as

[Speaker 15] (3:43:04 - 3:43:05)
Right. And

[Speaker 3] (3:43:05 - 3:43:05)
an

[Speaker 15] (3:43:05 - 3:43:05)
I think

[Speaker 3] (3:43:05 - 3:43:05)
example.

[Speaker 15] (3:43:05 - 3:43:06)
we talked about

[Speaker 3] (3:43:06 - 3:43:06)
That's

[Speaker 15] (3:43:06 - 3:43:06)
that

[Speaker 3] (3:43:06 - 3:43:07)
the only distinction I wanted to make.

[Speaker 15] (3:43:07 - 3:43:12)
two weeks ago, even it just starting the conversation and it maybe even just opening the door to like,

[Speaker 15] (3:43:12 - 3:43:14)
okay, so if the subsidy is X,

[Speaker 15] (3:43:14 - 3:43:19)
maybe we're only charging a fee for part of that right now, because we don't have to charge her for the whole amount.

[Speaker 15] (3:43:19 - 3:43:41)
amount but that allows us a little bit more wiggle room a couple years from now to say okay now we have to raise that because we don't have the ability to subsidize versus just coming out the gate and saying the fee is x because the subsidy is y is x and you create no more the it's a one-time savings that you yes compounds over the years but you never get to dip back into that well

[Speaker 16] (3:43:41 - 3:43:44)
So you're to your point, Nick, for your direction,

[Speaker 16] (3:43:44 - 3:43:46)
for the five year projection,

[Speaker 16] (3:43:46 - 3:43:47)
right,

[Speaker 16] (3:43:47 - 3:43:48)
is to look at.

[Speaker 16] (3:43:49 - 3:43:54)
options for increasing revenue versus focusing so closely. I mean I think you're you've

[Speaker 3] (3:43:54 - 3:43:54)
Oh,

[Speaker 16] (3:43:54 - 3:43:55)
said you're kind of close to

[Speaker 15] (3:43:55 - 3:43:55)
I'm

[Speaker 16] (3:43:55 - 3:43:56)
as

[Speaker 15] (3:43:56 - 3:43:56)
already doing it.

[Speaker 16] (3:43:56 - 3:43:58)
many cuts as you could make, right, at this point?

[Speaker 3] (3:43:58 - 3:43:59)
We can still make cuts.

[Speaker 16] (3:43:59 - 3:43:59)
But still obviously,

[Speaker 3] (3:43:59 - 3:44:00)
We pass salary

[Speaker 16] (3:44:00 - 3:44:00)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:44:00 - 3:44:02)
at that point which is people versus programme

[Speaker 16] (3:44:02 - 3:44:02)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:44:02 - 3:44:06)
right. or expense that we can try to manage differently.

[Speaker 16] (3:44:06 - 3:44:07)
So that's the direction.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:07 - 3:44:13)
The direction to me is both and with the idea that over five years what are the options that would allow you to get through to where

[Speaker 16] (3:44:13 - 3:44:14)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:14 - 3:44:14)
we see this.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:14 - 3:44:18)
You know, the full recognition of anticipated new growth,

[Speaker 16] (3:44:18 - 3:44:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:18 - 3:44:22)
and potentially pension money coming off line.

[Speaker 16] (3:44:22 - 3:44:25)
Pension is 20, 32 Patrick? Or 2031?

[Speaker 17] (3:44:26 - 3:44:34)
2032 is when we are in normal cost. So we're paying like one, that drops down to one and a half million dollars only on the current schedule.

[Speaker 15] (3:44:36 - 3:44:43)
So I know there were a couple opportunities that were brought up a couple months ago about regionalisation, and I know there's some

[Speaker 15] (3:44:43 - 3:44:47)
Iron's in the fire about that so if there's any way that any of that could be potentially

[Speaker 16] (3:44:47 - 3:44:48)
That's also

[Speaker 15] (3:44:48 - 3:45:09)
pushed to come to fruition given the current financial situation I think that's that would be great also because if there is a workaround where it's a cut to us and a cut to them but then collaboratively it's a half savings like so that the service is still available to each town that would be more ideal than a cut

[Speaker 10] (3:45:10 - 3:45:11)
Doing more with more.

[Speaker 15] (3:45:11 - 3:45:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 18] (3:45:12 - 3:45:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 16] (3:45:14 - 3:45:19)
Just so we're clear about what direction you're taking for the budget to get us down to a different number.

[Speaker 16] (3:45:20 - 3:45:21)
While we have the school department here,

[Speaker 16] (3:45:21 - 3:45:25)
we realize they've gone from 3.96 to 3.25.

[Speaker 16] (3:45:25 - 3:45:32)
Is part of this exercise asking them to do anything else? Because if it's not, I want that to be clear too.

[Speaker 16] (3:45:32 - 3:45:38)
And I don't want to keep going back to considering how much of our budget the schools are,

[Speaker 16] (3:45:38 - 3:45:39)
right,

[Speaker 16] (3:45:39 - 3:45:41)
let's be really transparent and honest.

[Speaker 16] (3:45:41 - 3:45:44)
They've gone to where they said they could go to.

[Speaker 16] (3:45:45 - 3:45:48)
Right, so is this exercise also inclusive of that?

[Speaker 3] (3:45:50 - 3:45:52)
I would ask for your direction in that,

[Speaker 3] (3:45:52 - 3:45:52)
because

[Speaker 15] (3:45:52 - 3:45:52)
I mean,

[Speaker 3] (3:45:52 - 3:45:52)
that

[Speaker 15] (3:45:52 - 3:45:53)
I would.

[Speaker 3] (3:45:53 - 3:45:58)
is a very difficult thing to do for this year. Maybe we can get there,

[Speaker 3] (3:45:58 - 3:46:00)
but looking over a five-year

[Speaker 3] (3:46:01 - 3:46:06)
It's the most significant is the fixed cost things that we're sharing or that are,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:06 - 3:46:10)
you know, part of that top bucket. And then when it comes down the funnel to us, it's a,

[Speaker 16] (3:46:10 - 3:46:10)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:10 - 3:46:11)
you know, whatever it is,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:11 - 3:46:12)
60,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
40,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
70,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:13 - 3:46:14)
30, I don't know the number up top of my head split.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:15 - 3:46:17)
We, looking over a longer term,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:17 - 3:46:19)
need some greater

[Speaker 3] (3:46:21 - 3:46:27)
direction or greater idea of how we, you know, sort of spread that pain, for lack of a better phrase.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:28 - 3:46:30)
So I don't know that we need that answer tonight necessarily.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:31 - 3:46:37)
If you all have a direction you would like to give, I'm sure that would be easier for Jason and I, but I don't want to put that

[Speaker 16] (3:46:37 - 3:46:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:37 - 3:46:39)
on you as a snap of a finger.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:39 - 3:46:45)
I can certainly start looking at the revenue with the eye that you all have described for us tonight.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:45 - 3:46:53)
We can also look at other cuts, but also come to you to say, to really avoid it on the town side at least, we need to cut this much salary. And it's a number, it's not a person,

[Speaker 3] (3:46:53 - 3:46:57)
it's not a department, it's just either a percentage of total salary or...

[Speaker 3] (3:46:58 - 3:46:59)
a you know a gross dollar.

[Speaker 3] (3:47:00 - 3:47:05)
That's the type of thing that we could come back to you with. I I don't know how far down that road we would wanna get with

[Speaker 16] (3:47:06 - 3:47:06)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:47:06 - 3:47:08)
forecasting for everyone what that would mean.

[Speaker 15] (3:47:09 - 3:47:17)
I mean I think the superintendent and Martha are here and they're hearing the exercise that we're going about on the town side.

[Speaker 15] (3:47:17 - 3:47:24)
I think that they have the school department has they and the school department have tried to do the same exercise on their side.

[Speaker 16] (3:47:24 - 3:47:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 15] (3:47:24 - 3:47:26)
I am

[Speaker 15] (3:47:27 - 3:47:32)
Obviously, if another cut is found, given what you hear us scrappling with tonight,

[Speaker 15] (3:47:32 - 3:47:33)
we will always take it.

[Speaker 15] (3:47:33 - 3:47:36)
Am I going to ask you to go back and cut into bone?

[Speaker 15] (3:47:37 - 3:47:38)
I mean, no,

[Speaker 15] (3:47:38 - 3:47:44)
I'm not going to ask you to do that. But if we come back and say, hey, we have to make salary cuts,

[Speaker 15] (3:47:44 - 3:47:49)
then maybe there will be an ask to say that we'd like that to be shared.

[Speaker 15] (3:47:49 - 3:47:52)
But right now we're not asking that.

[Speaker 15] (3:47:52 - 3:47:55)
But I just think like being realistic,

[Speaker 15] (3:47:55 - 3:47:57)
Danielle, we want to be transparent and honest.

[Speaker 15] (3:47:57 - 3:48:00)
Like if you're doing the same exercise we are, which I believe you are,

[Speaker 15] (3:48:01 - 3:48:07)
then please look back and if there's anything else that you want to bring to the table, we are very open and willing to accept it.

[Speaker 8] (3:48:08 - 3:48:08)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:08 - 3:48:08)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:10 - 3:48:15)
You know, I'm not going to ask them to pick apart a budget that they have much better insight in than I do.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:15 - 3:48:16)
I completely agree.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:19 - 3:48:21)
I don't know if anybody else has thoughts.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:26 - 3:48:26)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:26 - 3:48:26)
I shared them.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:27 - 3:48:28)
No, it's just, y you know, I'm just

[Speaker 4] (3:48:30 - 3:48:40)
You know, in my mind, my number one focus is staying away from requesting an override and keeping our eyes on what's going to be needed for the middle school. I mean, we

[Speaker 4] (3:48:42 - 3:48:44)
we go for an override, we're risking.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:44 - 3:48:45)
It's a big risk.

[Speaker 5] (3:48:48 - 3:48:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:48 - 3:48:54)
True, we that and we definitely need to do something with the middle school so I'm glad to hear you say that to be honest

[Speaker 6] (3:48:55 - 3:48:55)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (3:48:55 - 3:48:55)
As I

[Speaker 6] (3:48:55 - 3:48:55)
hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:55 - 3:49:04)
you know, I I sometimes don't know if it's you know, if we all think the same thing, but I I think it's pretty clear that something needs to happen. I mean that's not a Well, far-up

[Speaker 4] (3:49:04 - 3:49:13)
I've been talking about the middle school since twenty fourteen and I've put articles in the warrant and it's just we we just can't take our eyes off of the middle school.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:14 - 3:49:18)
Or we had to we had to do the elementary school first. I think that was the fire that was burning the brightest.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:18 - 3:49:27)
I believe that we have moved very far away of a motion that Doug and David maybe made involving moving this onto FinCom. Sorry I interrupt you David,

[Speaker 2] (3:49:27 - 3:49:27)
We

[Speaker 1] (3:49:27 - 3:49:28)
but I just think that we should

[Speaker 2] (3:49:28 - 3:49:28)
seconded

[Speaker 1] (3:49:28 - 3:49:28)
bring that leave.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:28 - 3:49:29)
we seconded something.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:30 - 3:49:37)
If we go back to that motion so that FinCom can move along and Doug opine that this doesn't mean he's satisfied and I think we all align with

[Speaker 7] (3:49:37 - 3:49:37)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:49:37 - 3:49:37)
that.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:37 - 3:49:38)
sorry I derailed everything.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:38 - 3:49:40)
Well I think we all align with that sentiment

[Speaker 7] (3:49:40 - 3:49:40)
Good deal.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:40 - 3:49:40)
and

[Speaker 4] (3:49:40 - 3:49:41)
David's motion, I seconded,

[Speaker 1] (3:49:41 - 3:49:42)
is very clear.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:42 - 3:49:42)
it's on the table.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:42 - 3:49:43)
Okay, all

[Speaker 4] (3:49:43 - 3:49:43)
Alright.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:43 - 3:49:43)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:43 - 3:49:47)
So let's um vote on that motion. All in favor of moving the budget to FinCom?

[Speaker 4] (3:49:47 - 3:49:47)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:47 - 3:49:47)
Um.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:47 - 3:49:47)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:47 - 3:49:48)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:48 - 3:49:48)
I mended.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:48 - 3:49:51)
I I just want to be really clear, I'm not satisfied with this budget

[Speaker 1] (3:49:51 - 3:49:51)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:51 - 3:49:52)
either.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:52 - 3:49:56)
All in favor of being unsatisfied with the budget but still moving it to FinCom?

[Speaker 7] (3:49:56 - 3:49:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:56 - 3:49:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:56 - 3:49:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:56 - 3:49:59)
I, I, okay, the I's take it. Um

[Speaker 2] (3:49:59 - 3:49:59)
Capital.

[Speaker 1] (3:49:59 - 3:50:01)
we will move on to capital.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:01 - 3:50:09)
So capital improvement committee has rank ordered things. They've not yet had a deeper discussion within comm. Can we push that to a future meeting?

[Speaker 2] (3:50:09 - 3:50:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:09 - 3:50:10)
At ten twenty.

[Speaker 7] (3:50:10 - 3:50:12)
Oh no no, I definitely wanna do it now.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:12 - 3:50:13)
You bet we can.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:13 - 3:50:14)
I just wanna say,

[Speaker 4] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
We'll do it

[Speaker 2] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:50:14 - 3:50:15)
before you're

[Speaker 2] (3:50:15 - 3:50:20)
just wanna say we need that track. That's all I'm gonna say, but I'll save it for the next time.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:20 - 3:50:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:50:20 - 3:50:22)
I'll second I'll second Danielle's comment.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:23 - 3:50:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:23 - 3:50:24)
That's my only comment.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:26 - 3:50:27)
I just have one question on the track.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:27 - 3:50:27)
No.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:28 - 3:50:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:28 - 3:50:28)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:50:28 - 3:50:28)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:50:28 - 3:50:28)
have

[Speaker 4] (3:50:28 - 3:50:29)
no, I have to ask this question, so look into it.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:29 - 3:50:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:30 - 3:50:30)
I I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:50:30 - 3:50:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:30 - 3:50:40)
in you know, I'm I am in favor of the track, but I just want to make sure that we're really clear that there is where that whatever the fix is

[Speaker 4] (3:50:41 - 3:50:49)
is the fix that there's like is there a possibility that it's not a million is there a way to do it a little bit differently to expedite

[Speaker 1] (3:50:49 - 3:50:49)
It's

[Speaker 4] (3:50:49 - 3:50:49)
a little bit can

[Speaker 1] (3:50:49 - 3:50:49)
not.

[Speaker 4] (3:50:49 - 3:50:50)
we cut sections of it?

[Speaker 2] (3:50:50 - 3:50:51)
I said that too,

[Speaker 8] (3:50:51 - 3:50:51)
It's like

[Speaker 2] (3:50:51 - 3:50:51)
but

[Speaker 8] (3:50:51 - 3:50:52)
one lane every year.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:52 - 3:50:52)
I think

[Speaker 4] (3:50:52 - 3:50:52)
No

[Speaker 1] (3:50:52 - 3:50:53)
it's not

[Speaker 4] (3:50:53 - 3:50:53)
no no

[Speaker 1] (3:50:53 - 3:50:53)
a

[Speaker 4] (3:50:53 - 3:50:56)
no, no no. I'm talking about full s you know

[Speaker 2] (3:50:56 - 3:50:56)
full

[Speaker 4] (3:50:56 - 3:50:56)
different

[Speaker 2] (3:50:56 - 3:50:57)
full

[Speaker 4] (3:50:57 - 3:50:57)
sections.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:57 - 3:50:57)
re-replacement.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:57 - 3:50:57)
It's

[Speaker 2] (3:50:57 - 3:50:58)
Placing,

[Speaker 8] (3:50:58 - 3:50:58)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:50:58 - 3:50:58)
it's not a

[Speaker 2] (3:50:58 - 3:50:58)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:50:58 - 3:50:58)
replacement.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:58 - 3:50:58)
it

[Speaker 2] (3:50:58 - 3:50:59)
That's the same thing.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:59 - 3:51:01)
is a full replacement. Full replacement.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:01 - 3:51:01)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:01 - 3:51:01)
But

[Speaker 4] (3:51:01 - 3:51:01)
But

[Speaker 2] (3:51:01 - 3:51:02)
Is there

[Speaker 1] (3:51:02 - 3:51:02)
that's

[Speaker 2] (3:51:02 - 3:51:02)
something else?

[Speaker 4] (3:51:02 - 3:51:02)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:51:02 - 3:51:02)
is going

[Speaker 4] (3:51:02 - 3:51:02)
saying

[Speaker 1] (3:51:02 - 3:51:03)
on.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:03 - 3:51:04)
do you have to have a full replacement

[Speaker 1] (3:51:04 - 3:51:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:04 - 3:51:05)
or can we have

[Speaker 8] (3:51:05 - 3:51:06)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:51:07 - 3:51:07)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:51:07 - 3:51:07)
of picks.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:07 - 3:51:08)
as I believe is

[Speaker 2] (3:51:08 - 3:51:09)
I public have asked

[Speaker 8] (3:51:09 - 3:51:09)
presented,

[Speaker 2] (3:51:09 - 3:51:09)
that.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:09 - 3:51:12)
we have tried the patching, we have tried the

[Speaker 4] (3:51:12 - 3:51:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:12 - 3:51:13)
short-term solution.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:13 - 3:51:13)
They no longer make

[Speaker 1] (3:51:13 - 3:51:14)
We

[Speaker 2] (3:51:14 - 3:51:14)
the material.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:14 - 3:51:14)
no longer have the material.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:14 - 3:51:15)
That's

[Speaker 7] (3:51:15 - 3:51:15)
No,

[Speaker 2] (3:51:15 - 3:51:15)
the problem.

[Speaker 7] (3:51:15 - 3:51:15)
there's no there's no patch.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:15 - 3:51:19)
But they don't have the same material anymore. That is what I've been told.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:19 - 3:51:19)
The fixes in.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:20 - 3:51:20)
That I asked.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:22 - 3:51:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:23 - 3:51:25)
Let's not make it work worse by Frankensteining it.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:26 - 3:51:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:27 - 3:51:27)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:51:27 - 3:51:28)
Okay, so now we move to the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:30 - 3:51:33)
Um these are routine items that we can approve collectively.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:33 - 3:51:34)
Motion to approve these consent

[Speaker 4] (3:51:34 - 3:51:35)
You have to take

[Speaker 2] (3:51:35 - 3:51:35)
agenda.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:35 - 3:51:36)
out you have to take out the minute the take

[Speaker 1] (3:51:36 - 3:51:37)
Which

[Speaker 4] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
out

[Speaker 1] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
minute?

[Speaker 4] (3:51:37 - 3:51:38)
the minutes on the

[Speaker 1] (3:51:38 - 3:51:38)
All

[Speaker 4] (3:51:38 - 3:51:38)
second

[Speaker 1] (3:51:38 - 3:51:38)
the

[Speaker 4] (3:51:38 - 3:51:39)
and the fourth

[Speaker 1] (3:51:39 - 3:51:39)
oh the

[Speaker 4] (3:51:39 - 3:51:39)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:51:39 - 3:51:39)
second minute.

[Speaker 4] (3:51:39 - 3:51:40)
I'm good with the

[Speaker 1] (3:51:40 - 3:51:52)
The 27th. So the consent agenda contains approval of the minutes for February 27th and discussion uh the vote to approve the uh town election warrant for elections for April 28th 2026.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:53 - 3:51:55)
All oh there was one

[Speaker 2] (3:51:55 - 3:51:56)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:56 - 3:51:56)
again.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:57 - 3:51:58)
Need to approve a second?

[Speaker 7] (3:51:58 - 3:51:58)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:51:58 - 3:51:59)
All in favor?

[Speaker 4] (3:51:59 - 3:52:00)
All

[Speaker 2] (3:52:00 - 3:52:00)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:00 - 3:52:00)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:00 - 3:52:01)
Aye. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:01 - 3:52:02)
Select board time.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:05 - 3:52:12)
I want to thank Joe Dullett and David Marinsky for bringing

[Speaker 1] (3:52:12 - 3:52:12)
That's right.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:12 - 3:52:16)
the meeting tonight.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:16 - 3:52:20)
I also want to thank Wayne Spritz,

[Speaker 4] (3:52:20 - 3:52:23)
Kathy Milken, and Eric Schneider for their hard work in

[Speaker 4] (3:52:25 - 3:52:36)
Putting together that RFP that has gone out for our new trash contract that took a ton of work and it's much appreciated and that's it for me.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:36 - 3:52:37)
Okay, anyone else?

[Speaker 1] (3:52:38 - 3:52:40)
Can I have a motion to adjourn?

[Speaker 7] (3:52:40 - 3:52:40)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:40 - 3:52:41)
Motion second.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:41 - 3:52:42)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (3:52:42 - 3:52:42)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:42 - 3:52:42)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (3:52:42 - 3:52:43)
Good night, everybody.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:43 - 3:52:44)
Good night.