[Speaker 1] (6:46 - 6:47)
The daisies

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Uh, when it's when I'm enjoying.

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are going to do the pledge,

[Speaker 3] (6:49 - 6:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (6:49 - 6:49)
right?

[Speaker 1] (6:49 - 6:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (6:49 - 6:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (6:50 - 6:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (6:50 - 6:53)
Y'all say evening and welcome to

[Speaker 3] (6:56 - 6:57)
the Wednesday,

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April 8th select board meeting. Uh we are being recorded.

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And we would like to welcome um some folks up who are gonna help us in the pledge.

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Okay just one for now.

[Speaker 2] (7:13 - 7:13)
You kiddo.

[Speaker 3] (7:13 - 7:14)
All right, here we go.

[Speaker 2] (7:15 - 7:15)
Whoa.

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Oh,

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You

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you got

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can

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a play?

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use that microphone right there.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

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and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation,

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under God,

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indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 3] (8:13 - 8:15)
so all these other wonderful scouts in the room, so thank you for joining us.

[Speaker 5] (8:16 - 8:34)
Thank you very much. I'll be quick. This feels so high now. Um so just wanted to give a few brief updates on H_R_ Uh we've extended an offer for a new Assistant Town Accountant. We are very excited. We plan to be introducing them to you in the coming weeks, but want to make sure all notifications are made with their current employer.

[Speaker 5] (8:35 - 8:37)
Uh we think it's going to be a great addition to the team.

[Speaker 5] (8:38 - 8:44)
We've also been continuing to interview qualified candidates for the new customer service rep which will help manage that effort with Chrissy.

[Speaker 5] (8:44 - 8:47)
Mary Ann, Patrick and Liam have all been really involved in that.

[Speaker 5] (8:48 - 8:57)
And finally I just wanted to sort of tease or share where we are now. We've had ongoing discussions about regionalisation opportunities with some upcoming vacancies in neighbouring communities.

[Speaker 5] (8:57 - 9:02)
I plan to be coming back to you in the next few weeks with more details on that as we try to figure out.

[Speaker 5] (9:02 - 9:17)
where there might be opportunities to sort of share a full-time role at the department head level and then have some staff in each community that handles sort of the day-to-day. So, again, we'll have a few more details on that, but it's the very early stages of the discussion,

[Speaker 5] (9:17 - 9:22)
and it seems like a pretty great opportunity at this point, so we'll see where it lands.

[Speaker 5] (9:22 - 9:30)
I wanted to highlight an upcoming event. The Solid Waste Advisory Committee is having the Repair Cafe this Saturday at the Senior Center from 9 to 12.

[Speaker 5] (9:31 - 9:40)
You can check out their web page or you can email swac at swac at swampscottma.gov to schedule a time for your repair this weekend between 9 and noon.

[Speaker 5] (9:41 - 9:49)
Um as many folks may have noticed, uh we have finally updated the website as well. The changeover from the old version to the new one is complete.

[Speaker 5] (9:50 - 9:59)
Uh I would say we soft launched it two weeks ago and identified quite a few problems and things that didn't point where they should, and we've been working to remedy those one by one.

[Speaker 1] (9:59 - 10:10)
One of the big outstanding items that we currently have and I've heard from folks throughout the last couple weeks, we really need to get Google to do a new crawl basically of the website because it's pointing to old or dead links.

[Speaker 1] (10:10 - 10:20)
But in the interim what you can do is search in the search bar on our website that gets you right where you need to be. But if you're, you know, sort of conditioned to go to Google or Bing or something like that.

[Speaker 1] (10:20 - 10:23)
It will sometimes take you to the wrong place right now. We're working to remedy that.

[Speaker 1] (10:25 - 10:35)
These are interfaces require a little new learning on where things should be, but it's really a much better organisation of the information in the long run. It will help us maintain records over time and make things more easily accessible.

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We're also asking that everyone go and sign up for the news alerts, which are opportunities for us to be communicating non-emergency information,

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whether it's something like the repair cafe,

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an updated agenda or minutes if folks are interested in it, but we really need you to go sign up at the website and choose what you want to.

[Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:58)
want to be getting recommend communications on so please check that out.

[Speaker 1] (10:58 - 11:00)
I again want to thank Diane,

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Jody,

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Charlotte,

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Shannon, and the entire host of others that helped us get this launched.

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We continue to work very hard on it and so I really appreciate the effort that has been done and that is yet to come on that.

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And then please feel free to send me a note, and I know some folks in this room have already done so.

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When you find things that don't work or things that you would like us to change or consider making for a future improvement,

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all of these are opportunities for us to continue to improve it.

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Finally,

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on the Hawthorne, I wanted to give an update.

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We've agreed in principle to the terms.

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We're at the point now of drafting with the hope that we can have something back before you all on the 15th.

[Speaker 1] (11:36 - 11:39)
It aligns very closely with the lease as drafted in the...

[Speaker 1] (11:38 - 11:43)
The in the RFP we've had really good discussions so that both sides understand where we're coming from

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But as I said our goal isn't is to have something next week if not It would be that one at the end of the month But we're working towards next week currently to get everything drafted and in front of you all for the final vote and ratification

[Speaker 1] (11:55 - 11:58)
And beyond that I'm happy to take any questions.

[Speaker 1] (11:58 - 12:00)
I don't want to get in the way of the real show tonight

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It's sitting waiting in the room here

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I just have a quick follow-up question about the

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Elise then are we is the ball in our court or their court their court I assume we've given red lines back they're gonna respond okay

[Speaker 1] (12:16 - 12:18)
They responded and our

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great

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attorneys are currently redrafting to and

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so then we can transition straight to long-term RFP post lease signature that's the plan

[Speaker 1] (12:27 - 12:37)
And so far on that front, I had one meeting along with Marcy with Collier's just to see what type of support they may be able to give us, whether it's looking at potential value or what.

[Speaker 1] (12:38 - 12:43)
Could be done. They've worked, the group that we met with and we intend to meet with others before we would move forward with anything,

[Speaker 1] (12:43 - 12:50)
has worked with like the City of Portland and Maine with the old courthouse there because it's a similar example where it's a central location in the community.

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They're not looking necessarily for highest and best use to just put as much housing there as possible that would get them the highest revenue. It's trying to manage community expectations along with revenue generation and the use within the context of the community where it is.

[Speaker 1] (13:04 - 13:17)
Um we plan to talk to others in, you know, similar skill sets to figure out who might be the best partner to help us in that. And then we've also had community members reach out offer their support in both the drafting of a potential R_F_P_ or participating in any way that they can.

[Speaker 2] (13:18 - 13:18)
Okay, wonderful.

[Speaker 3] (13:18 - 13:26)
And is the scope of what we expect to happen there generally in line with what we've discussed publicly? Is there any real change in

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With

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the scope

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the least?

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of what yeah the Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts would be doing?

[Speaker 1] (13:31 - 13:34)
No, it is in line with what was presented and what was discussed.

[Speaker 4] (13:35 - 13:36)
Cool.

[Speaker 1] (13:36 - 13:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (13:37 - 13:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (13:37 - 13:43)
Um excuse me um any any update on Archer on the Archer Street Woods?

[Speaker 1] (13:44 - 13:46)
Gino and Marcy were out there earlier this week.

[Speaker 1] (13:46 - 13:55)
Uh I think Tony Banderuts may have been with them as well if not may have made a separate trip with Marzy. Uh what we're working on right now is coordinating closely with

[Speaker 1] (13:56 - 14:20)
Our contractors uh and consultants to make sure that we're verifying sort of where there were wetland delineations and everything like that to make sure we're within the proper scope and remedy any issues and also working with Tony and the concom on a similar request. Um I know the contractor was planning to be out there with Marcy and Gino to talk about materials because that's an ongoing concern as well to figure out what the final sort of treatment is at the entranceways.

[Speaker 1] (14:21 - 14:25)
Um and we would plan to be back to you right now. We're paused as we verify all of that.

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all of that information um around wetlands and materials and usages to make sure that everyone's on the same page going forward.

[Speaker 4] (14:31 - 14:33)
Got it. So you may have an update for us next at

[Speaker 1] (14:33 - 14:33)
Yeah,

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the next meeting.

[Speaker 1] (14:34 - 14:41)
yeah, I would plan to speak to you about it again going forward, whether it's a week from now, two weeks fro three weeks from now, you know, wherever we need that update absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (14:42 - 14:42)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (14:42 - 14:42)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (14:42 - 14:49)
And we had had quite a few obviously community members reach out from that neighbourhood, so once that information is gathered and we have clear answers

[Speaker 4] (14:49 - 14:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (14:49 - 15:00)
for some of the outstanding questions that the community members have maybe getting some put together one sheet or a community meeting so that they can understand the answers to their questions so that

[Speaker 2] (15:00 - 15:02)
and so that they feel heard also.

[Speaker 1] (15:02 - 15:04)
I think it would be both would be most

[Speaker 2] (15:04 - 15:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (15:04 - 15:09)
useful because I coordinated with David on outreach to those that had contacted us.

[Speaker 2] (15:09 - 15:09)
Yep.

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We have been in touch with anyone that I got an email from or a call from and also I know David had heard directly from folks as well.

[Speaker 1] (15:16 - 15:23)
So I think the one sheet and an opportunity to do something in person would give the folks that are interested and concerned but may not have the time to be there and those that are

[Speaker 2] (15:23 - 15:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (15:23 - 15:27)
more closely aligned so sort of same message in two different locations to make sure it gets out.

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So I

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Perfect.

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So have we stopped work there until,

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or?

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paused right now, yes.

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Okay.

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All right.

[Speaker 1] (15:38 - 15:39)
Okay.

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Okay,

[Speaker 4] (15:39 - 15:40)
Thank

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we actually

[Speaker 4] (15:40 - 15:40)
you.

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have public comment available if anybody is here for public comment.

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Three minutes, you'll approach Allie's microphone,

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state your name and your address.

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Joe Dulac, 148 Elmwood Road.

[Speaker 6] (16:03 - 16:10)
Uh among other things I'm the theatre guy and it's my responsibility to let everybody know about some awesome theatre stuff coming up this week, so.

[Speaker 6] (16:10 - 16:12)
Uh number one is the high school musical.

[Speaker 6] (16:12 - 16:30)
It's the twenty-fifth annual Putnam County Spelling Bee. That's tomorrow and Friday night. It's a wonderful show. It's one act, so um not too long to sit through and it will feel like a um a beautiful time. Lights and sound, again amazing, they've really used what the town has invested um to its extent. So if you wanna see kind of what

[Speaker 6] (16:30 - 16:52)
what that brought. And then on Sunday, the blue big band, not the big blue band, but the blue big band is the Swamp Scots community jazz orchestra at two p.m. Um an opening act by uh the lead singer of Turtleneck String, um Aria, and a quartet. And then the blue big band will be playing Duke Ellington's Far East Suite will be a fantastic show. So hope you all can uh make either one of those or both of those events. Thank you guys.

[Speaker 2] (16:53 - 16:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (16:59 - 17:07)
And seeing no additional comments, we'll move on to all the new business and the presentation of our Scout packs.

[Speaker 2] (17:09 - 17:10)
Is that you or Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 4] (17:10 - 17:11)
Very own started.

[Speaker 2] (17:11 - 17:12)
Mary Ellen's gonna start.

[Speaker 5] (17:13 - 17:25)
So thank you everybody for coming. This is pretty exciting. We've got a two part series here. First we're going to start with our newest Eagle Scout.

[Speaker 5] (17:26 - 17:40)
It's my honor to present our newest Eagle Scout proclamation of Adrian Laporte of Troop Number 53 here in Swampscott. And tonight for the presentation, we are going to present it from our own Eagle,

[Speaker 5] (17:40 - 17:43)
we only have one and only Eagle Scout on our board here.

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That's you.

[Speaker 3] (17:46 - 17:47)
That's me? I know.

[Speaker 6] (17:47 - 17:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (17:47 - 17:49)
Got it. I got it, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (17:49 - 17:52)
So earning the rank of Eagle Scout represents years of dedication,

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service,

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and personal growth.

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Adrian has demonstrated perseverance,

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initiative,

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and a strong commitment to the values that scouting upholds. We also wish to acknowledge the guidance and support of his troop leadership whose mentorship...

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played an important role in helping him reach these milestones Scoutmaster David Laporte and the assistant Scoutmasters Jim Cristiano, Steve Hutchinson,

[Speaker 5] (18:19 - 18:19)
Chuck Page,

[Speaker 5] (18:20 - 18:25)
Benjamin Pomeroy, Jacob Warner and Larry Zoll.

[Speaker 5] (18:26 - 18:31)
On behalf of the select board is my privilege to present well this is actually it's

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It's my line, I think.

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you take that line

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So Adrian,

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Come on down,

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would you like

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come

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to

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on down.

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take...

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Adrian.

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All right.

[Speaker 3] (18:51 - 18:51)
So Adrian.

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Here, Adrian, On if you back

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behalf

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up a little,

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of

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this will look much better.

[Speaker 6] (18:56 - 18:56)
there we go

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Doug, you move forward, and that way somebody will actually

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the

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be here

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select

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that is good.

[Speaker 6] (18:59 - 19:00)
board,

[Speaker 6] (19:00 - 19:06)
it's my privilege to present this proclamation in recognition of Adrian Laporte's outstanding accomplishment and his positive contributions to our community.

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Congratulations,

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Adrian.

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You can

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They

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they're

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oh Oh,

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we yep,

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you can talk

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talk about

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about

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you

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your

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can stop.

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project.

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After,

[Speaker 5] (19:32 - 19:32)
Yeah.

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It's fine.

[Speaker 6] (19:33 - 19:34)
My project?

[Speaker 5] (19:34 - 19:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (19:34 - 19:35)
we'll talk about Doug after.

[Speaker 7] (19:35 - 19:43)
Alrighty. So my project was a restoration of a World War I cannon in the local cemetery,

[Speaker 7] (19:43 - 19:47)
so that was getting a new coat of paint on it,

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repriming it, repainting it to be a nice historical color.

[Speaker 7] (19:50 - 19:54)
We have wheels that have just arrived, so we're going to put those on hopefully.

[Speaker 1] (19:58 - 20:08)
And I also worked with the Rotary Club to get a plaque funded to actually get the names of the fallen from the First World War on the plaque,

[Speaker 1] (20:08 - 20:10)
but it's been a great experience.

[Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:16)
And yeah, thank you very much for this. This is wonderful. Thank

[Speaker 2] (20:16 - 20:16)
Yeah,

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you.

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congratulations.

[Speaker 3] (20:17 - 20:18)
Great job.

[Speaker 3] (20:24 - 20:25)
So next.

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What we're going to do is first,

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before we start next,

[Speaker 3] (20:29 - 20:36)
I just want to thank Shannon O'Leary and Diane Marchese for working so hard at making this happen,

[Speaker 3] (20:36 - 20:39)
running around and getting the names, and also the scout leaders,

[Speaker 3] (20:39 - 20:42)
all the scout leaders in Swampscott for advancing names.

[Speaker 3] (20:42 - 20:53)
Tonight we're presenting a plaque that has the names of every Eagle Scout and Gold Star winner that's a Girl Scout equivalent to the Eagle Scout.

[Speaker 3] (20:54 - 20:57)
since 1925.

[Speaker 4] (20:58 - 20:59)
Whoa.

[Speaker 3] (20:59 - 21:04)
So that's 101 years of Swamp Scott scouting achievement.

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And tonight,

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to start the presentation,

[Speaker 3] (21:08 - 21:11)
we will have one of our own homegrown scouts

[Speaker 3] (21:12 - 21:28)
Evan Siegel and Evan will begin the reading. What we're gonna do is we're just gonna quickly read off all these names. Every scout has a list of names and in honor of all of these people who have achieved something we're gonna bang this out and then these plaques will end up hanging at Town Hall.

[Speaker 3] (21:29 - 21:30)
Um, starting tomorrow.

[Speaker 3] (21:30 - 21:50)
So Evan, I just want to say one more thing is when the director of DPW heard that Evan was going to be on this plaque and he was going to be here tonight, he was very kind to make sure that I understood and everybody understands what an intricate part in the success of DPW Evan Siegel is.

[Speaker 3] (21:50 - 21:52)
So it's pretty exciting.

[Speaker 3] (21:52 - 21:54)
All right, Evan, you want to come down?

[Speaker 3] (21:55 - 22:01)
And then you folks, you guys want to and gals want to start lining up behind Evan so we can start reading these off?

[Speaker 5] (22:03 - 22:05)
I have Daniel Cahill,

[Speaker 5] (22:06 - 22:07)
James Devaney,

[Speaker 5] (22:08 - 22:10)
David Guerin, David Shepherd,

[Speaker 5] (22:11 - 22:12)
Edward Shepherd,

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Charles Carlson, Peter Grout.

[Speaker 5] (22:16 - 22:20)
Daniel Matthews, Andrew Brant, Steven Godman,

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Matthew Havlicek,

[Speaker 5] (22:23 - 22:24)
Buckley Withrow,

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Evan Segal,

[Speaker 5] (22:26 - 22:26)
Charles Janest,

[Speaker 5] (22:27 - 22:27)
and Andrew Neenan.

[Speaker 6] (22:32 - 22:33)
Robert Callahan,

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Albert Gagne,

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Claude Ward,

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Ralph Day,

[Speaker 6] (22:39 - 22:40)
Harold Austin,

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Joseph Agner,

[Speaker 6] (22:41 - 22:42)
Fred Burke.

[Speaker 7] (22:46 - 22:50)
Why don't you come around the uh why don't you just go around the back side of the stand with Evan.

[Speaker 7] (22:52 - 22:53)
Very good, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (22:55 - 22:56)
Thomas Hutchinson,

[Speaker 5] (22:56 - 23:04)
William Worshnide, Nicole's uh Mark Nicole's Thomas Collin, Kenneth Wickstorm,

[Speaker 5] (23:04 - 23:08)
Anthony Bartow, Wallace Grey Dinger.

[Speaker 6] (23:11 - 23:12)
Richard Olson,

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Robert Petrillo,

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Lloyd Webster,

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Richard Haake, Summer Kraft,

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Barton Egnor,

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Albert Devitt,

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Robert Webster,

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Lawrence Levin's, Dean Sergent, Kenneth Robinson,

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Donald Webster,

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James Clark,

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Richard Woodman.

[Speaker 1] (23:31 - 23:38)
Uh, Kenneth uh Giffman uh Stanley Sta uh Stalka uh

[Speaker 8] (23:39 - 23:44)
John Osteen I think I pronounced that wrong,

[Speaker 8] (23:44 - 24:04)
Robert, uh uh Sheeson, uh Allen, uh Allen uh Alex uh uh Richard Brown, Don uh Donald uh McBride, uh E uh J-E

[Speaker 8] (24:04 - 24:18)
Dick with E.D. Donnelly, Edward Fellin, Donald Mick Falling, Donald Summer,

[Speaker 8] (24:19 - 24:24)
Austin Atwood, Daniel Warmwood.

[Speaker 3] (24:25 - 24:26)
Good job.

[Speaker 6] (24:28 - 24:29)
George Jackson,

[Speaker 6] (24:29 - 24:31)
Neil Bornstein,

[Speaker 6] (24:31 - 24:34)
Harvey Blotch, Glenn Shepherd,

[Speaker 6] (24:34 - 24:41)
Howie Feldman, Paul Deustein, uh Larry

[Speaker 6] (24:44 - 24:52)
Kratis, Peter Ma May Meyer, um

[Speaker 6] (24:52 - 24:57)
William Chipman, Michael Garitino,

[Speaker 6] (24:57 - 24:58)
Peter Hansen,

[Speaker 6] (25:00 - 25:06)
Sherman LeBoeuf-Nick, Bruce Baum,

[Speaker 6] (25:06 - 25:08)
Russell Manquer.

[Speaker 6] (25:11 - 25:13)
Jody Barner,

[Speaker 6] (25:13 - 25:14)
Mark Kaplan,

[Speaker 6] (25:15 - 25:16)
Joseph O'Connor,

[Speaker 6] (25:16 - 25:17)
Andrew Woods,

[Speaker 6] (25:18 - 25:18)
Sean Berry.

[Speaker 6] (25:23 - 25:26)
Gerald Schwartz, Stephen Serby,

[Speaker 6] (25:26 - 25:27)
Jeffrey Fieldstein,

[Speaker 6] (25:28 - 25:30)
Eugene Ellis,

[Speaker 6] (25:31 - 25:31)
Gregory Miller,

[Speaker 6] (25:32 - 25:33)
James St. George,

[Speaker 6] (25:34 - 25:35)
and Henry Lander.

[Speaker 6] (25:38 - 25:39)
John Julian,

[Speaker 6] (25:40 - 25:41)
Jonathan Austin,

[Speaker 6] (25:41 - 25:42)
John Pedro,

[Speaker 6] (25:43 - 25:44)
Michael Yiolopoulos,

[Speaker 6] (25:44 - 25:46)
Fyodor Rogers,

[Speaker 6] (25:46 - 25:48)
Douglas Atkins,

[Speaker 6] (25:48 - 25:49)
Paul Callahan.

[Speaker 6] (25:53 - 25:55)
Andrew Dumphy,

[Speaker 6] (25:55 - 25:56)
Kevin Barry,

[Speaker 6] (25:57 - 25:58)
Keefe Callahan,

[Speaker 6] (25:58 - 25:59)
Daniel O'Connor,

[Speaker 6] (26:00 - 26:01)
John Lacey,

[Speaker 6] (26:01 - 26:02)
Vernie Gifford,

[Speaker 6] (26:03 - 26:04)
Thomas Novus.

[Speaker 9] (26:07 - 26:08)
Calvin Lamb,

[Speaker 9] (26:09 - 26:11)
Richard DeFrancesco, Laura Keenan,

[Speaker 9] (26:12 - 26:14)
Julie Locke, Brittany Roberts,

[Speaker 9] (26:14 - 26:15)
Arthur Duffy,

[Speaker 9] (26:16 - 26:17)
Felix Gurovadsky.

[Speaker 9] (26:21 - 26:26)
Stephen Page, Mark Goldstein, Adam Shiloh, William Trevischio,

[Speaker 9] (26:26 - 26:28)
Anshula David Carr,

[Speaker 9] (26:28 - 26:29)
Genya Crossman,

[Speaker 9] (26:30 - 26:31)
Grace DiBenedetto.

[Speaker 10] (26:35 - 26:36)
Christopher Wiley,

[Speaker 10] (26:36 - 26:36)
Eric Austin,

[Speaker 10] (26:37 - 26:38)
William Rogers,

[Speaker 10] (26:38 - 26:42)
Matthew Cobett, Matthew Barrett, Thomas Burke,

[Speaker 10] (26:42 - 26:44)
Michael Antonellio.

[Speaker 10] (26:46 - 26:46)
Kurt Jaeger,

[Speaker 10] (26:47 - 26:49)
Kyle Barden, John Sebasta,

[Speaker 10] (26:49 - 26:52)
Darren Lavoie, Ellis Weber,

[Speaker 10] (26:53 - 26:53)
Drew Brooks,

[Speaker 10] (26:54 - 26:54)
Andrew Withrow,

[Speaker 10] (26:55 - 26:56)
John Supa,

[Speaker 10] (26:57 - 26:57)
Matthew Hallion,

[Speaker 10] (26:58 - 26:59)
Daniel Cahill,

[Speaker 10] (27:00 - 27:01)
Kenneth Ruggerio,

[Speaker 11] (27:01 - 27:02)
Ronald

[Speaker 10] (27:02 - 27:02)
Raoul Levy,

[Speaker 10] (27:03 - 27:06)
Donald Ronald Trapasso, David Trapasso.

[Speaker 12] (27:10 - 27:11)
Stephen Whipple

[Speaker 9] (27:12 - 27:13)
Aidan Pulaski,

[Speaker 9] (27:13 - 27:14)
Ethan Grant,

[Speaker 9] (27:14 - 27:15)
Maura Cronin,

[Speaker 9] (27:16 - 27:17)
Grace Ramos,

[Speaker 9] (27:17 - 27:18)
Elliot Pulaski,

[Speaker 9] (27:18 - 27:19)
Jonathan Wallger,

[Speaker 9] (27:20 - 27:21)
Effie Cobbett,

[Speaker 9] (27:21 - 27:22)
and Adrian Laporte.

[Speaker 10] (27:28 - 27:29)
Lars Purcell,

[Speaker 10] (27:29 - 27:31)
Ivan Caderboe,

[Speaker 10] (27:31 - 27:32)
Ethan Davis,

[Speaker 10] (27:33 - 27:34)
Liam O'Brien,

[Speaker 10] (27:34 - 27:35)
Dukan Page,

[Speaker 10] (27:35 - 27:36)
Jamie Garber,

[Speaker 10] (27:37 - 27:37)
Ariana Casella.

[Speaker 13] (27:41 - 27:43)
Alison Janervis, Nora Walker,

[Speaker 13] (27:43 - 27:44)
Hannah Yeager,

[Speaker 13] (27:44 - 27:45)
Michael Norcott,

[Speaker 13] (27:46 - 27:47)
Robert McLaughlin,

[Speaker 13] (27:47 - 27:48)
Luke O'Brien,

[Speaker 13] (27:48 - 27:49)
and Charles Page.

[Speaker 6] (27:51 - 27:52)
Florence Walkley,

[Speaker 6] (27:53 - 27:54)
Colin Heulin,

[Speaker 6] (27:54 - 27:55)
Jonathan Braid,

[Speaker 6] (27:55 - 27:57)
Ross Thibodeau, M.

[Speaker 6] (27:57 - 28:00)
Kowal, Jason Filbrook, William Stone.

[Speaker 3] (28:03 - 28:09)
So before you sit down, can you just show us with a raise in your hand how many of you will have your names?

[Speaker 3] (28:09 - 28:11)
on this plaque and our next plaque.

[Speaker 14] (28:13 - 28:14)
I

[Speaker 3] (28:14 - 28:29)
Alright so Shannon will start getting your names ready and you can start having your plaques ready, okay. So this will be hanging up at town hall and you can go in, it will be on the left and um I think uh this is a a really great tribute to your hard work.

[Speaker 7] (28:38 - 28:48)
Thank you guys very much. If you if you would just make yourselves sort of like a one squish you guys together. So somebody can take a really nice picture like the newspaper.

[Speaker 5] (28:48 - 28:49)
Come on by the flags.

[Speaker 7] (28:49 - 28:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (28:49 - 28:50)
Come by the flags.

[Speaker 5] (28:53 - 28:54)
Come and press. Come press.

[Speaker 5] (28:55 - 28:55)
Come around.

[Speaker 7] (28:55 - 28:57)
There you go. Great.

[Speaker 5] (28:59 - 28:59)
And when you do it again.

[Speaker 7] (29:03 - 29:04)
Do you wanna get in there? 'Cause you're

[Speaker 5] (29:06 - 29:07)
They're all aspiring

[Speaker 7] (29:08 - 29:08)
That's a true.

[Speaker 5] (29:08 - 29:08)
actualists.

[Speaker 3] (29:08 - 29:09)
Oh, that's true,

[Speaker 3] (29:09 - 29:10)
we don't have a show anyway.

[Speaker 5] (29:10 - 29:10)
So it works.

[Speaker 5] (29:15 - 29:16)
Still no tears.

[Speaker 7] (29:19 - 29:22)
Alright, squat down there. There you go.

[Speaker 7] (29:24 - 29:24)
Perfect.

[Speaker 5] (29:24 - 29:25)
Take a knee.

[Speaker 7] (29:27 - 29:28)
Good job.

[Speaker 3] (29:29 - 29:30)
Oh, excellent.

[Speaker 7] (29:30 - 29:31)
Okay. Move your paper from your

[Speaker 3] (29:31 - 29:31)
Wait,

[Speaker 7] (29:31 - 29:31)
page.

[Speaker 3] (29:31 - 29:32)
do you have this cutie

[Speaker 7] (29:32 - 29:32)
There

[Speaker 3] (29:32 - 29:32)
on the end?

[Speaker 7] (29:32 - 29:33)
you go, great.

[Speaker 3] (29:34 - 29:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (29:34 - 29:34)
Right

[Speaker 7] (29:34 - 29:39)
Perfect. Thank you everyone for joining us and thank you for doing the hard work of reading all those names so that we didn't have to.

[Speaker 1] (29:49 - 29:49)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (29:51 - 30:01)
We will now move on. You're more than welcome to stay, but I'm sure you all have homework to do. So uh to the discussion and possible vote

[Speaker 2] (30:01 - 30:02)
Is this today?

[Speaker 1] (30:02 - 30:03)
on the middle school

[Speaker 2] (30:03 - 30:03)
Is this

[Speaker 1] (30:03 - 30:03)
M_S_V_A_

[Speaker 2] (30:03 - 30:03)
for today?

[Speaker 1] (30:03 - 30:12)
statement of interest. And we have superintendent Kalishman here and Max Casper, the facilities director, to join us for this part of the conversation.

[Speaker 1] (30:16 - 30:17)
Gentlemen.

[Speaker 1] (30:17 - 30:18)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (30:18 - 30:27)
All right. So as I'm sure it's not a lot of anybody that the physical building of the middle school is a bit of an issue,

[Speaker 3] (30:27 - 30:29)
not any other part of the middle school.

[Speaker 3] (30:30 - 30:42)
It's a pressing issue and we're here to discuss the statement of interest process and timeline with you. So I'm going to have Max take it away with his presentation and then we'll answer any questions.

[Speaker 4] (30:44 - 30:53)
Superintendent Kalishman. I just have a brief presentation discussing what a statement of interest is, some of the conditions at the middle school,

[Speaker 4] (30:53 - 30:57)
and then obviously we'll be happy to have a discussion take any.

[Speaker 4] (30:58 - 31:05)
Questions? So, what is the statement of interest? The statement of interest is the first step in entering the MSBA's core program,

[Speaker 4] (31:06 - 31:08)
which funds major renovations, additions,

[Speaker 4] (31:08 - 31:12)
and new construction for K-12 schools in Massachusetts.

[Speaker 4] (31:12 - 31:23)
We're very familiar with MSBA's core program, having just built the Swampscott Elementary School in a partnership with MSBA through the core program.

[Speaker 4] (31:24 - 31:38)
The statement of interest is it's really the first step. It allows districts to inform the MSBA of deficiencies that may exist in a local school facility and how those deficiencies inhibit the delivery of the district's educational program.

[Speaker 4] (31:39 - 31:44)
The statement of interest itself is a relatively straightforward submission.

[Speaker 4] (31:44 - 31:48)
It's not a massive lift for us to put that together.

[Speaker 4] (31:48 - 31:53)
We're obviously putting a decent effort into it and answering all the questions fully.

[Speaker 4] (31:53 - 31:59)
But the idea is, you know, you're not supposed to be hiring professional help or creating some like massive study.

[Speaker 4] (31:59 - 32:02)
It's really just reporting to the state, to the MSBA,

[Speaker 4] (32:02 - 32:04)
the conditions at your building.

[Speaker 4] (32:06 - 32:07)
for them to review.

[Speaker 4] (32:09 - 32:16)
The submission of a statement of interest to the MSBA must be approved by a vote of the school committee and the select board.

[Speaker 4] (32:16 - 32:18)
That's why we're here tonight.

[Speaker 4] (32:18 - 32:20)
We have already been in front of the school committee.

[Speaker 4] (32:20 - 32:28)
School committee voted unanimously to authorize the superintendent to submit a statement of interest for the middle school.

[Speaker 4] (32:37 - 32:37)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 3] (32:39 - 32:39)
I'll do it. Just tell me when.

[Speaker 4] (32:39 - 32:41)
Yep, you can go to the next slide.

[Speaker 4] (32:43 - 32:47)
Um so here's a a timeline on the statement of interest process.

[Speaker 4] (32:48 - 33:02)
Uh the statement of interest period opened in January of this year. The first couple months February and March we've been preparing the statement of interest, we're still finalising it. Um March into April local local authorisation votes, as I just discussed.

[Speaker 4] (33:04 - 33:07)
April 17th, that is next Friday,

[Speaker 4] (33:07 - 33:10)
is the deadline for submitting statement of interests.

[Speaker 4] (33:10 - 33:12)
So there's no wiggle room there.

[Speaker 4] (33:12 - 33:14)
We have to have everything in order, all the signatures,

[Speaker 4] (33:14 - 33:19)
all the votes in by that time if we will be submitting a statement of interest.

[Speaker 4] (33:20 - 33:23)
Following that, there's a due diligence period.

[Speaker 4] (33:23 - 33:29)
This is the MSBA's due diligence period where they are reviewing the statement of interest. Oftentimes they're visiting the buildings,

[Speaker 4] (33:29 - 33:32)
interviewing stakeholders during that period.

[Speaker 4] (33:34 - 33:38)
while they're making their decision, because not every statement of interest is awarded.

[Speaker 4] (33:39 - 33:44)
They only award some of them to the neediest districts.

[Speaker 4] (33:46 - 33:56)
The end of 2026 is when we would be selected if the MSBA does select Swampscott to advance and recommend it for eligibility.

[Speaker 4] (33:56 - 34:04)
And then early 2027 through July 2027 is when this eligibility period would commence.

[Speaker 4] (34:06 - 34:12)
It's important to understand just sort of how long this first step is.

[Speaker 4] (34:13 - 34:39)
We're sitting here in April 2026 we wouldn't even know if we have eligibility likely eligible to the end of this year and then our period of eligibility doesn't start until some point in the first half of 2027 and then there's a 270 day window where you're in what's called module one of the MSBA process where you are forming the school building committee completing the educational profile

[Speaker 4] (34:40 - 34:46)
and ultimately likely authorizing local funding for feasibility and a schematic design.

[Speaker 4] (34:48 - 35:01)
I just wanted to point out how far off from today that really is. That's really two years away roughly before you're just kind of completing Module 1.

[Speaker 4] (35:02 - 35:07)
And just to drill down a little bit further into the timeline,

[Speaker 4] (35:07 - 35:08)
you can go to the next slide.

[Speaker 4] (35:09 - 35:13)
We thought this was a helpful slide.

[Speaker 4] (35:13 - 35:27)
Having just completed a project and understanding a project timeline, having a real example and sort of mapping that onto what it could look like for a middle school project,

[Speaker 4] (35:27 - 35:29)
you see tonight,

[Speaker 4] (35:29 - 35:29)
April,

[Speaker 4] (35:30 - 35:33)
we're potentially voting on a statement of interest.

[Speaker 4] (35:33 - 35:36)
That would line up with a May 2027.

[Speaker 4] (35:37 - 35:39)
Feasibility coming before town meeting for approval.

[Speaker 4] (35:41 - 35:42)
Again,

[Speaker 4] (35:42 - 35:44)
if it tracks to the SES timeline,

[Speaker 4] (35:44 - 35:53)
roughly fall 2030 is when town meeting could potentially be appropriating funding for a construction project.

[Speaker 4] (35:56 - 35:58)
With a project of this size,

[Speaker 4] (35:58 - 35:59)
you're likely looking at a debt exclusion.

[Speaker 4] (35:59 - 36:03)
There was a debt exclusion for the elementary school.

[Speaker 4] (36:03 - 36:05)
There was a debt exclusion for the high school.

[Speaker 4] (36:05 - 36:08)
Very unlikely there wouldn't be a debt exclusion.

[Speaker 4] (36:08 - 36:11)
That would be roughly fall 2030 on this timeline,

[Speaker 4] (36:12 - 36:17)
with construction potentially beginning fall 2031. And again,

[Speaker 4] (36:17 - 36:19)
if it followed a similar timeline,

[Speaker 4] (36:19 - 36:22)
we're talking about a completed project somewhere along 2033.

[Speaker 4] (36:23 - 36:26)
This is for sort of planning purposes.

[Speaker 4] (36:26 - 36:28)
None of these are hard years,

[Speaker 4] (36:28 - 36:33)
hard dates. It's just to kind of conceptualize, as we sit here,

[Speaker 4] (36:33 - 36:34)
April 2026.

[Speaker 4] (36:35 - 36:36)
If we go down this road,

[Speaker 4] (36:37 - 36:38)
when is that completing?

[Speaker 4] (36:39 - 36:43)
And obviously that plays heavily into sort of financial planning as well.

[Speaker 4] (36:47 - 36:47)
Go to the next slide,

[Speaker 4] (36:47 - 36:48)
please.

[Speaker 4] (36:48 - 36:57)
I want to talk a little bit about the middle school itself and really like why we are looking at this option and the conditions we have there.

[Speaker 4] (36:58 - 37:05)
A bit of good news, we haven't been ignoring the middle school. We've actually been doing things over the course of the last few years.

[Speaker 4] (37:05 - 37:10)
We've done a brand new roof, multiple millions of dollars. We've installed a new fire alarm system.

[Speaker 4] (37:11 - 37:14)
We've installed a new security vestibule at the building.

[Speaker 4] (37:15 - 37:24)
The town has already appropriated funds for a massive window project that we're currently under design for. So, you know, we

[Speaker 4] (37:24 - 37:33)
We saw some things happen with the elementary schools and them maybe not being treated fully correctly for years,

[Speaker 4] (37:33 - 37:36)
and we didn't want to repeat some of those mistakes at the middle school.

[Speaker 4] (37:37 - 37:40)
And it is always hard when you have a building that there's an uncertain future of,

[Speaker 4] (37:40 - 37:44)
but our children are there every single day,

[Speaker 4] (37:44 - 37:53)
and it's important that we treat these buildings correctly, even if there's some unknown. So I think it really is important to recognize that.

[Speaker 4] (37:54 - 38:02)
We have already been investing in this middle school and, you know, it's unknown exactly what kind of project you get when you go into an MSBA process.

[Speaker 4] (38:02 - 38:04)
That's just the nature of that process.

[Speaker 4] (38:04 - 38:06)
But I'm bringing this up because...

[Speaker 4] (38:07 - 38:24)
We think that there's good bones in that middle school and that there's an efficient project to sort of reuse the middle school and not, you know, tear it down, put it in a landfill and build an extraordinarily expensive new building that's really not our goal as we sit here today.

[Speaker 4] (38:26 - 38:28)
But the challenges at the middle school,

[Speaker 4] (38:28 - 38:37)
we have many systems at the middle school that are in very poor condition and they're, they need to be on track for replacement, they need to be addressed,

[Speaker 4] (38:37 - 38:42)
addressed. The big ones that I talk about a little bit, the the mechanical system,

[Speaker 4] (38:42 - 38:43)
the HVAC system,

[Speaker 4] (38:43 - 38:46)
some of the pictures here on this slide,

[Speaker 4] (38:46 - 38:51)
that's a boiler that was installed in 1977 that we that we still operate today.

[Speaker 4] (38:52 - 39:05)
That's the generator at the middle school that that is the backup generator for the emergency electrical system for the fire alarm system again installed in the late 70s it's in a corner inside the building I I would

[Speaker 4] (39:06 - 39:08)
Like you to take a look at the generator at the elementary school.

[Speaker 4] (39:08 - 39:13)
It's this massive exterior diesel-fired unit.

[Speaker 4] (39:13 - 39:22)
Comparing that to kind of what we have there and basically that's a car engine from the 1970s that we're relying on.

[Speaker 4] (39:22 - 39:24)
And similarly the electrical system,

[Speaker 4] (39:24 - 39:26)
the electrical service,

[Speaker 4] (39:26 - 39:28)
most of the electrical distribution again.

[Speaker 4] (39:29 - 39:43)
dates to the 1970s when there was a large addition at the at the middle school some of the electrical in the building is still dates to the 1950s when the original Shaw junior high school was built the middle school

[Speaker 1] (39:45 - 39:48)
is there's really something very important to understand with middle school.

[Speaker 1] (39:48 - 39:51)
It was built in 1958 roughly,

[Speaker 1] (39:51 - 39:56)
but there was a massive addition in 1977 that converted the middle,

[Speaker 1] (39:56 - 39:59)
the original junior high school into a high school.

[Speaker 1] (39:59 - 40:06)
And it was used as a high school for many, many years until the new high school was built and it was converted back to a middle school.

[Speaker 1] (40:06 - 40:09)
So we have two distinct sections of the building,

[Speaker 1] (40:09 - 40:11)
one from the 1950s.

[Speaker 1] (40:11 - 40:13)
one from the 1970s.

[Speaker 1] (40:15 - 40:17)
In addition to HVAC and electrical,

[Speaker 1] (40:17 - 40:18)
security,

[Speaker 1] (40:18 - 40:20)
fire protection,

[Speaker 1] (40:20 - 40:22)
there's no sprinkler system at this building,

[Speaker 1] (40:22 - 40:24)
the only school,

[Speaker 1] (40:24 - 40:27)
large school in the town that does not have a sprinkler system.

[Speaker 1] (40:28 - 40:29)
We have accessibility concerns.

[Speaker 1] (40:30 - 40:36)
We do have an elevator but it's from again the late 70s and it's not a fully accessible building.

[Speaker 1] (40:36 - 40:37)
There's

[Speaker 1] (40:38 - 40:40)
multiple issues with doorways, with paths.

[Speaker 1] (40:40 - 40:46)
I think if you think of how you have to get to the gymnasium as a person needing accessibility,

[Speaker 1] (40:46 - 40:52)
I think that really points out some of the struggles there. You have to go all the way around the building down a ramp.

[Speaker 1] (40:52 - 40:56)
It's definitely not a sort of equitable situation.

[Speaker 1] (40:56 - 41:04)
And then building envelope issues. Again, we're on a path to addressing many of those with the new roof and the window projects advancing,

[Speaker 1] (41:04 - 41:07)
but still concerns there.

[Speaker 1] (41:07 - 41:13)
And not on this list, but important to recognize that sort of dovetails with many of these other systems is hazmat.

[Speaker 1] (41:14 - 41:32)
We have asbestos flooring, asbestos pipe wrap in many areas of the building that we're very much on top of. We've abated some areas over the course of the years. We continue to abate areas that are problematic, but it's important to recognize that's a real issue at the building.

[Speaker 1] (41:34 - 41:36)
And that is my final slide.

[Speaker 1] (41:37 - 41:50)
Again happy to discuss, have any interesting questions on the the process, the document we have shared, the statement of interest with you, uh a draft version that's you know fair fairly close to being completed that we do hope to submit.

[Speaker 2] (41:51 - 41:56)
So just just a few questions. Um so how many typically how many

[Speaker 2] (41:57 - 42:12)
How many statements of interest, you know, would would be submitted annually, you know, one one average the last five or ten years? Any data there? How many are selected? And then what are the what are the pool of funds that are available at the state level that we're competing with others uh to to get?

[Speaker 1] (42:13 - 42:24)
Yeah, I don't I don't have the specific numbers, but all of that information is is available on the MSBA's website I've looked at the that exact question like how many are submitted it varies

[Speaker 1] (42:24 - 42:26)
Story is pretty interestingly wild year to year.

[Speaker 1] (42:27 - 42:31)
You'll see, you know, one year maybe 50 core programs and another year 20.

[Speaker 1] (42:33 - 42:36)
It's not about really the number that they.

[Speaker 1] (42:37 - 42:54)
That they approve it's really the dollar value like there's a there'll be a high school that could be potentially a 600 million dollar high school in you know whatever town it is and that is going to impact the MSB is ability to how many projects they can do that that year.

[Speaker 1] (42:56 - 43:07)
So I would definitely point you to the MSBA's website for like specific data and information, it's there's a ton of information on that website that that speak to that. But you know, their sort of parameters,

[Speaker 1] (43:07 - 43:13)
as I understand it, are really they have a certain amount of money each year that they distribute based

[Speaker 2] (43:13 - 43:14)
And is

[Speaker 1] (43:14 - 43:14)
on.

[Speaker 2] (43:14 - 43:18)
that website maxmsba.org, msba.gov?

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:19)
I can tell you.

[Speaker 3] (43:19 - 43:21)
MassSchoolBuildings.org.

[Speaker 2] (43:21 - 43:22)
Thank you, Jason.

[Speaker 4] (43:24 - 43:30)
And it's between $100 and $150 annually that they receive. I looked it up while Max was talking.

[Speaker 5] (43:31 - 43:32)
150 projects

[Speaker 3] (43:32 - 43:32)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (43:32 - 43:33)
A hundred to?

[Speaker 5] (43:33 - 43:33)
or dollars?

[Speaker 4] (43:33 - 43:34)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (43:34 - 43:34)
Dollars.

[Speaker 4] (43:34 - 43:35)
Statements of interest.

[Speaker 4] (43:35 - 43:38)
A hundred to a hundred and fifty statements of interest. That's

[Speaker 2] (43:38 - 43:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (43:38 - 43:39)
that can vary year to year.

[Speaker 2] (43:40 - 43:41)
Thank you, Nick.

[Speaker 5] (43:42 - 43:48)
Can you just on the statement of interest, so when you send in a statement of interest, it's just like we're interested in getting.

[Speaker 5] (43:49 - 44:14)
this school repaired up to snuff or a new school do they come in and evaluate it and w and what happens like we don't we don't have a financial plan on how to address this so how does I know your your feelings are that this takes a while but I'm looking at this as if

[Speaker 5] (44:15 - 44:21)
This happens fairly quickly because it looks like if we were to be accepted

[Speaker 5] (44:22 - 44:35)
we would have to do a feasibility, we'd have to go for funding next year, right? We'd have to ask for funding and how much how much would that funding be for a feasibility? Is that a feasibility study? Is that what it means?

[Speaker 1] (44:36 - 44:47)
Yes, that is like the first sort of time that it comes before town meeting and funds are appropriated for perspective on it. Looking to the elementary school,

[Speaker 1] (44:47 - 44:53)
I think the feasibility study was initially funded at $750,000 for the elementary school.

[Speaker 1] (44:54 - 44:58)
Ultimately around $900,000 was what it was,

[Speaker 1] (44:58 - 45:00)
just to put it in order of magnitude.

[Speaker 5] (45:01 - 45:04)
So we would be looking for about a million dollars next year or just short of.

[Speaker 5] (45:04 - 45:05)
of,

[Speaker 5] (45:05 - 45:07)
do you think?

[Speaker 1] (45:07 - 45:17)
I mean, I don't think it's a good idea to try to, like, pin down exactly what that number is today. It's a very different circumstance. We have to remember with the elementary school, we were looking, like, town-wide for a site.

[Speaker 1] (45:17 - 45:23)
But it's also 10 years later-ish, and things are way more expensive.

[Speaker 1] (45:23 - 45:26)
So, yeah, I mean, that's probably...

[Speaker 1] (45:26 - 45:29)
a good order of magnitude thing, but I don't wanna sit here and say

[Speaker 5] (45:29 - 45:29)
It's a different project.

[Speaker 1] (45:29 - 45:31)
we're asking for a million dollars next year.

[Speaker 5] (45:31 - 45:42)
And is this the same is this the same as was there another avenue as far as uh repair or

[Speaker 5] (45:43 - 45:43)
there

[Speaker 1] (45:43 - 45:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (45:44 - 45:46)
was another there is I'm just I don't really un-un

[Speaker 1] (45:46 - 45:48)
Sure, no, I can talk a little bit about that.

[Speaker 5] (45:48 - 45:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (45:48 - 45:53)
Um MSBA has a another programme called an accelerated repair programme.

[Speaker 1] (45:54 - 46:04)
Right now, they've started to do it every other year. Next year is going to be an accelerated repair year.

[Speaker 1] (46:04 - 46:07)
They just started doing it every other year.

[Speaker 1] (46:07 - 46:13)
So that funds smaller targeted projects for roofs.

[Speaker 1] (46:14 - 46:24)
Windows HVAC projects. It used to be boilers. Now they're exclusively funding heat pump projects with sort of the move towards electrification.

[Speaker 1] (46:26 - 46:28)
Smaller projects still big,

[Speaker 1] (46:28 - 46:32)
a big deal and significant funding,

[Speaker 1] (46:32 - 46:34)
but that's the difference.

[Speaker 3] (46:34 - 46:36)
And following on that,

[Speaker 3] (46:36 - 46:40)
did we, we're not using that for the windows?

[Speaker 1] (46:41 - 46:44)
Nope, the windows are entirely funded by the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (46:45 - 46:46)
We've discussed this in

[Speaker 3] (46:46 - 46:47)
Pretty great.

[Speaker 1] (46:47 - 46:47)
the past.

[Speaker 1] (46:48 - 46:55)
The reason that the roof or the windows were not submitted as an accelerated repair project is because

[Speaker 1] (46:56 - 47:09)
We knew that there was going to be a consideration for a core program, and MSBA tells you to not submit an accelerated repair project if there is a potential core program looming.

[Speaker 3] (47:09 - 47:10)
Within a certain amount of time or something.

[Speaker 1] (47:10 - 47:13)
Yeah, it's not like a hard line or anything,

[Speaker 1] (47:13 - 47:13)
but...

[Speaker 3] (47:13 - 47:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (47:14 - 47:14)
So

[Speaker 1] (47:14 - 47:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (47:15 - 47:27)
going back to the larger point that I think Mary Ellen was getting at a little bit, I think, um and you mentioned it very briefly but you seem to be somewhat definitive that we weren't going to be pursuing a tear down brand new school approach.

[Speaker 3] (47:28 - 47:30)
Is that is that really that clear?

[Speaker 3] (47:30 - 47:34)
Did I understand you correctly or is that still very much

[Speaker 3] (47:35 - 47:42)
A lot of feasibility has to be done to figure out whether or not it's going to be a brand new school or a major repair.

[Speaker 1] (47:42 - 48:04)
Yeah, I mean again, I think what I was trying to convey is that we've looked at it, we've invested in the school, we understand the the building and and we believe that that building has life left in it and can be a good option for us moving forward as a town. But it's a feasibility study and it's not reasonable to

[Speaker 1] (48:05 - 48:29)
sort of decide what is feasible before you have even done a feasibility study. And as we experienced with the um elementary school project, you know we're likely gonna look at everything. I mean we we looked at uh renovations of Hadley when we did the elementary school project, we looked at small buildings, we looked at additions, um you know we

[Speaker 1] (48:30 - 48:33)
As a town, ultimately as a school building committee,

[Speaker 1] (48:33 - 48:35)
we guide this process.

[Speaker 1] (48:35 - 48:40)
It's not like we hand over the keys to the MSBA and they tell you everything that you're going to do.

[Speaker 1] (48:41 - 48:42)
Having experienced it,

[Speaker 1] (48:43 - 48:44)
having been on an SBC,

[Speaker 1] (48:44 - 48:46)
we're partners with MSBA,

[Speaker 1] (48:46 - 48:47)
but we drive the bus.

[Speaker 1] (48:48 - 48:56)
They have significant influence in some very specific areas. For example, they hire the designer. You have influence,

[Speaker 1] (48:56 - 48:57)
but they pick the architect.

[Speaker 1] (48:57 - 49:05)
But we have tremendous ability to shape our project, to shape the feasibility study.

[Speaker 1] (49:06 - 49:13)
So I think we need to keep an open mind and let the process play out and make wise decisions.

[Speaker 1] (49:13 - 49:20)
But I'm certainly going into it with the expectation that we want to renovate the...

[Speaker 1] (49:20 - 49:21)
The middle school.

[Speaker 3] (49:21 - 49:21)
Pete, the superintendent.

[Speaker 7] (49:22 - 49:34)
Yeah, no, I was just gonna s I know this isn't exactly what you're looking for, but they from what we understand, they prefer a renovation, which I think I've talked about here before, that um because they're running out the buildings they're tearing down, they're just going in and they are running out of space. So

[Speaker 7] (49:35 - 49:39)
correct me if I'm wrong, Max, but they actually give more reimbursement for a reno than a new build? Is that correct?

[Speaker 2] (49:40 - 49:42)
Yeah, I think they're sort of a multifaceted thing.

[Speaker 2] (49:43 - 49:49)
We've had, we've got feedback from the MSBA that they like to see people retaining buildings instead of just tearing everything down.

[Speaker 2] (49:50 - 49:59)
And then also, I think what the superintendent is referencing is you end up likely getting more reimbursement when you do a renovation.

[Speaker 2] (50:00 - 50:02)
It's not that your rate is different.

[Speaker 2] (50:02 - 50:03)
The formula is.

[Speaker 2] (50:04 - 50:28)
similar but when you do a new construction you hit these caps for example a big one is site work and you you hit a maximum cap on site work and then over that cap you're not getting reimbursed on all of that anymore when you do a renovation you're you're not hitting those caps on certain things you know there still are areas you're going to likely hit caps on like like technology and FF&E

[Speaker 2] (50:30 - 50:36)
But at the end of the day, your total reimbursement amount and rate of the project

[Speaker 2] (50:37 - 50:45)
Is going to be higher likely your your reimbursement rate of eligible costs is actually the same But you're likely to have more eligible costs

[Speaker 3] (50:45 - 50:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (50:46 - 51:02)
with the renovation and we feel we would have more ability to control the scope and cost of the of the project if it is a renovation because we've done we've invested in the building We know what is good about the building whereas if you're building new construction

[Speaker 2] (51:03 - 51:12)
Everything's brand new from the ground up. You're paying for a new building where we think that there's likely an opportunity to control costs by doing a renovation.

[Speaker 4] (51:13 - 51:16)
So then in what we have in our package here,

[Speaker 4] (51:16 - 51:22)
this whole statement of interest has things filled out,

[Speaker 4] (51:22 - 51:24)
if I'm reading this correctly,

[Speaker 4] (51:25 - 51:28)
and I don't understand the answers to some of them.

[Speaker 4] (51:30 - 51:33)
It says, is this part of a larger master facilities plan,

[Speaker 4] (51:34 - 51:35)
educational plan?

[Speaker 4] (51:35 - 51:36)
It says no.

[Speaker 4] (51:37 - 51:41)
Is an energy or decarbonization study been completed within the last five years?

[Speaker 4] (51:41 - 51:42)
It says no.

[Speaker 4] (51:42 - 51:46)
Does the district have a dedicated sustainability officer or energy manager?

[Speaker 4] (51:46 - 51:46)
It says no.

[Speaker 4] (51:48 - 51:49)
Are all those answers?

[Speaker 2] (51:50 - 51:52)
I think those are all the correct answers,

[Speaker 2] (51:52 - 51:52)
yes.

[Speaker 4] (51:53 - 51:56)
We have done a decarbonization study, have we not?

[Speaker 2] (51:56 - 52:00)
We haven't done a dedicated decarbonization study of the middle school.

[Speaker 2] (52:01 - 52:02)
That's why we understand that question to be asking.

[Speaker 4] (52:04 - 52:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (52:04 - 52:08)
I mean we could maybe answer yes and say that we've done things,

[Speaker 2] (52:08 - 52:11)
but I don't think that would be the correct answer.

[Speaker 4] (52:11 - 52:14)
Okay. It's part of climate leaders. That wasn't, that doesn't check that box.

[Speaker 2] (52:15 - 52:16)
In my opinion it doesn't,

[Speaker 4] (52:16 - 52:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (52:16 - 52:16)
no.

[Speaker 5] (52:20 - 52:22)
Did the study we did include the building this building?

[Speaker 4] (52:23 - 52:27)
Yes, but it wasn't, I guess, as deep as Max fidgeting.

[Speaker 6] (52:27 - 52:30)
I think this is a or all buildings in the district type,

[Speaker 6] (52:30 - 52:31)
so I don't know.

[Speaker 4] (52:31 - 52:34)
Which we did do all districts, but all buildings. Anyway, okay.

[Speaker 7] (52:38 - 52:42)
I actually have a question. With the study that we did, we

[Speaker 7] (52:43 - 52:48)
did a study when we were bat so when we're battling out we wanted the new roof, instead of getting a new roof

[Speaker 7] (52:48 - 52:57)
We got a study first. We got that study and in that study it pretty much gave us um an evaluation of the systems.

[Speaker 2] (52:57 - 52:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (52:57 - 52:59)
Is that called the Caleb study? What was?

[Speaker 2] (52:59 - 53:00)
The Habib report

[Speaker 7] (53:00 - 53:00)
Habib

[Speaker 2] (53:00 - 53:01)
is what it was called.

[Speaker 7] (53:01 - 53:17)
right. And so on the Habib study it gave us also an estimate at that time of what it was going to run us. But does that study help in any way? I mean have we really looked and

[Speaker 7] (53:17 - 53:18)
I said, well,

[Speaker 7] (53:18 - 53:25)
what is the real breakdown on what this could, what our needs are and how, how is this gonna affect us?

[Speaker 2] (53:26 - 53:30)
Yeah, that study has actually proven very,

[Speaker 2] (53:30 - 53:30)
very helpful.

[Speaker 2] (53:30 - 53:34)
It's interesting because I definitely shared your sentiment,

[Speaker 2] (53:34 - 53:38)
like felt like we needed a roof and we got a study seven years ago.

[Speaker 7] (53:38 - 53:39)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (53:39 - 53:43)
Ultimately we got a roof, but there's some really good information in that study.

[Speaker 2] (53:45 - 54:08)
We it's it's informed our roof project it helped us advance the fire alarm project It's been helpful with the window with the window project it helps sort of frame the needs of the building All of the needs that I talked about today with the HVAC with the electrical there's really good information in that in that report about all those systems

[Speaker 2] (54:10 - 54:16)
So, I mean, I think it's been a really valuable tool. I think that the um sort of

[Speaker 2] (54:17 - 54:25)
cost estimates in there have been valuable, they've helped us sort of put preliminary numbers on some of the projects as we've as we've gone along. Um

[Speaker 2] (54:26 - 54:28)
yeah, I think it's been quite useful.

[Speaker 7] (54:28 - 54:32)
But is it So on that study um

[Speaker 7] (54:34 - 54:47)
Does that study still give us some any type of an idea of what I'm just trying to find out what type of costs are we looking at and how do we fit it in and how do we fit it into our schedule and when are things rolling off.

[Speaker 7] (54:48 - 55:00)
Because I think one without having that structure in front of us, how do we know how to how to implement this and how to fit it in?

[Speaker 7] (55:00 - 55:24)
Because I would think that if we go and ask for if we go to the MSBA and say, you know, we want to do this study and then all of a sudden we're like, well, we're not going to be able to we're not going to be able to fund this at at this time, is that going to hurt that? I'm going to guess that's going to hurt us with the MSBA. But I think because I just don't see the real the real plan on how we're going to fit this. How how do we fit this in?

[Speaker 2] (55:25 - 55:28)
Sure. I mean we've um yeah one of the questions on the

[Speaker 2] (55:29 - 55:32)
On the SOI is not how much is your ultimate project going to cost, right?

[Speaker 2] (55:33 - 55:33)
We don't know.

[Speaker 2] (55:34 - 55:40)
But it's a very fair question. I think we all would like to know the answer to it. The new elementary school,

[Speaker 2] (55:40 - 55:42)
brand new,

[Speaker 2] (55:42 - 55:47)
160,000 square feet elementary school cost us $100 million.

[Speaker 2] (55:48 - 55:49)
Bid five,

[Speaker 2] (55:49 - 55:51)
six years ago.

[Speaker 2] (55:51 - 55:52)
That's really good information.

[Speaker 2] (55:53 - 55:56)
A brand new middle school would certainly cost.

[Speaker 2] (55:57 - 56:05)
Well, more than that, um again just trying to like use create some sort of upper bounds, lower bounds, um

[Speaker 2] (56:06 - 56:22)
the like uh the roof costs about three three million dollars, all in fire alarm systems like one one point five million dollar project, we're anticipating the windows to be like a one point eight million dollar project. Um

[Speaker 2] (56:23 - 56:35)
It it's a question that I can't answer. I can't tell you exactly what the project scope is and we we don't have a cost estimate because of that and it's it's tricky.

[Speaker 2] (56:35 - 56:49)
We've had preliminary conversations with Town Hall about trying to understand the debt service and when things are coming off and trying to do you know some preliminary planning and thoughts but

[Speaker 2] (56:52 - 57:01)
Yeah, I mean, it it's it's sort of a catch-22. It's like you wanna we would like to have all the information, you can't have all the information until you start down the path,

[Speaker 2] (57:01 - 57:01)
right.

[Speaker 7] (57:05 - 57:05)
Um

[Speaker 7] (57:06 - 57:11)
I don't kn I think there is w one is the one is the high school coming off in seven years?

[Speaker 1] (57:13 - 57:13)
Thirty two.

[Speaker 2] (57:16 - 57:16)
Catch you later.

[Speaker 7] (57:18 - 57:22)
And what, do you know what the final, what's our final debt?

[Speaker 7] (57:23 - 57:24)
Could you say twenty thirty two?

[Speaker 8] (57:24 - 57:25)
Twenty

[Speaker 5] (57:25 - 57:25)
Twenty

[Speaker 8] (57:25 - 57:25)
thirty

[Speaker 5] (57:25 - 57:25)
thirty five.

[Speaker 8] (57:25 - 57:26)
five.

[Speaker 7] (57:26 - 57:26)
Twenty thirty five.

[Speaker 8] (57:30 - 57:30)
Thank you, Joe.

[Speaker 7] (57:31 - 57:32)
How m and how much do we have left on that?

[Speaker 8] (57:33 - 57:39)
That's about seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars roughly.

[Speaker 8] (57:40 - 57:42)
So in twenty thirty six that will be gone.

[Speaker 7] (57:43 - 57:45)
S and it's only sh it's less than a million that's left?

[Speaker 8] (57:47 - 57:48)
Not total, but the I was

[Speaker 7] (57:48 - 57:48)
What's the saying what's

[Speaker 8] (57:48 - 57:48)
budgetary.

[Speaker 7] (57:48 - 57:49)
the total? What's the total?

[Speaker 6] (57:49 - 57:50)
payments

[Speaker 8] (57:51 - 57:51)
Um there's

[Speaker 8] (57:53 - 57:54)
still

[Speaker 8] (57:55 - 57:58)
over seven million outstanding on the high school.

[Speaker 7] (58:04 - 58:11)
So seven million on that and then our debt service on fully funding our unfunded liability will be

[Speaker 7] (58:12 - 58:13)
twenty thirty two.

[Speaker 7] (58:15 - 58:15)
Hmm.

[Speaker 7] (58:17 - 58:19)
So there will be room in debt service.

[Speaker 6] (58:22 - 58:22)
The

[Speaker 1] (58:22 - 58:22)
It's got very.

[Speaker 6] (58:22 - 58:25)
the unfunded liability is part of operating.

[Speaker 1] (58:25 - 58:25)
Operating.

[Speaker 5] (58:26 - 58:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (58:26 - 58:26)
That's not

[Speaker 7] (58:26 - 58:31)
Yeah, but if it's if it's in operating, that means we'll have more money in operating to put towards debt.

[Speaker 6] (58:31 - 58:32)
I think you'd like to, yeah. I'd just

[Speaker 7] (58:32 - 58:33)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (58:33 - 58:33)
want to make sure

[Speaker 7] (58:33 - 58:34)
if we like to. If we like to.

[Speaker 7] (58:34 - 58:34)
If

[Speaker 6] (58:34 - 58:36)
we I'd like want to make sure it wasn't that debt was rolling off.

[Speaker 7] (58:36 - 58:37)
No no.

[Speaker 7] (58:38 - 58:53)
debt we have debt rolling off and then in 2035 and then we have this other so we get to six years huh okay looks

[Speaker 4] (58:54 - 58:55)
It lines up perfectly.

[Speaker 7] (58:55 - 58:56)
a little bit better

[Speaker 2] (58:57 - 59:02)
Yeah, when we first sort of like was talking about it I don't think it lines up perfectly but you know you start to see

[Speaker 2] (59:03 - 59:05)
Maybe a path, you know,

[Speaker 2] (59:05 - 59:07)
Right. with how the debt service rolls off.

[Speaker 5] (59:07 - 59:09)
Yeah, I think the rhetoric will,

[Speaker 5] (59:09 - 59:12)
I mean, obviously it's, we've already started this conversation publicly.

[Speaker 5] (59:12 - 59:18)
We had this conversation when all three committees met, you know, back in the fall at this point.

[Speaker 5] (59:18 - 59:26)
And it was pretty clear that the committee supported going forward, at least on the statement of interest.

[Speaker 5] (59:26 - 59:33)
in working towards a better understanding how this falls into a timeline so that we could better understand how to prepare ourselves financially.

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:38)
I think the worst part of the timeline is feasibility study,

[Speaker 1] (59:38 - 59:38)
to be honest,

[Speaker 1] (59:39 - 59:47)
just because of where it falls in line with some of the financial expectations we're going to have for the next 18 months, which,

[Speaker 1] (59:47 - 59:49)
you know, while that's not ideal,

[Speaker 1] (59:49 - 59:55)
it's also not a reason not to go forward to do it. I think we just have to understand that.

[Speaker 1] (59:56 - 1:00:00)
Yeah, the landscape's going to get worse before it gets better,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:00 - 1:00:04)
but I don't, in my opinion, I don't think it's a reason to delay.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:06 - 1:00:09)
You know, when you said a lot of people apply,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:09 - 1:00:13)
but is it likely that everybody

[Speaker 1] (1:00:13 - 1:00:13)
We get

[Speaker 2] (1:00:13 - 1:00:13)
gets

[Speaker 1] (1:00:13 - 1:00:14)
it.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:14 - 1:00:15)
into the shoot,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:15 - 1:00:20)
or it's more likely actually that your first try you don't even get into the shoot,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:20 - 1:00:22)
and this whole thing was backed by at least a year?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:23 - 1:00:26)
It it's not it's a competitive process. Every

[Speaker 3] (1:00:26 - 1:00:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:26 - 1:00:28)
vendor does not get into the shoot.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:28 - 1:00:28)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:28 - 1:00:38)
It's a about the quality of the project, quality of the application and they take a look at, you know, where they're spending money state-wide and every there's a number of factors at the board that's appointed that works with the treasure's office.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:38 - 1:00:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:39 - 1:00:39)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:39 - 1:00:47)
Um so there's a lot that goes into it and the one thing that we had talked about a little bit is whether it's funding for feasibility or deciding on a future debt exclusion.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:48 - 1:00:51)
Those are really opportunities for the community to reaffirm their support.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:51 - 1:00:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:51 - 1:01:03)
So it's, you know, you all have had discussions about the idea that this is a priority on some level and trying to make it work financially is what's important. But whether it's funding for feasibility or a decision around a debt exclusion in the future,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:04 - 1:01:13)
those are opportunities for the community to say, yes, this still makes sense even with our competing priorities or unfortunately it doesn't. And, you know, they're sort of built into the process that

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:28)
They accept some communities will not fund a feasibility even though they get in and some communities will get off at the debt exclusion and be back in a few years like these are opportunities for the community to say yes this is a priority for us we want to do it we want to move forward throughout the next seven years as you get to the point that there's an open building.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:29 - 1:01:31)
So it's not an end all tonight is what I'm trying to say.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:32 - 1:01:48)
Okay, I mean I I I think the time I think the time for us to act is is now I mean the timeline is so far It's so far out to the future, you know We have to start now and there's no guarantee that this happens But let's start the process so that way we can start preparing ourselves

[Speaker 4] (1:01:49 - 1:02:03)
Just looking at just doing the the high level uh, you know the high level of uh, you know of of of debt uh that's rolling that that's on and that's gonna roll off, this has to be a priority. This has to be a priority for our you know for the future.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:03 - 1:02:05)
Swamps get um

[Speaker 4] (1:02:05 - 1:02:31)
I mean that this has been the problem uh historically is we haven't uh made these types of investments probably since this, you know, since this from the seventies until we built this high school you know there's an enormous gap in time where these investments weren't you know weren't made and now we're on a little bit of an accelerated uh timeline to to catch up. But hopefully we can do this, we can start this and then we can get on a more regular cadence moving forward. Um

[Speaker 4] (1:02:31 - 1:02:35)
So I'm fully in support of signing off tonight.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:36 - 1:02:37)
Yeah, likewise,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:37 - 1:02:37)
and I appreciate,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
you know, the timeframe.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:40 - 1:02:41)
Clarity.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:41 - 1:02:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:41 - 1:02:47)
I think we've had a lot of these conversations that it hasn't necessarily felt very clear or exactly how long we're talking.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:47 - 1:03:06)
Not necessarily from you guys, but just in general. Um and whether or not we should do the windows and oh we're gonna build you know we're gonna t uh why do the windows when we're gonna do the school very soon and you know it just gets confused. But when you lay this out like this it it makes it very very clear. Is there anything else to a little bit to Nick's point and i

[Speaker 2] (1:03:06 - 1:03:10)
anything else we could be doing to make our application stronger?

[Speaker 2] (1:03:11 - 1:03:20)
Is you know like I don't even know we're gonna open the town warrant tonight. I mean you know is there anything that one would do to make your application even stronger?

[Speaker 2] (1:03:20 - 1:03:29)
If you would you have a s anything from town meeting? Would you do anything in that regard to show that the community is highly motivated?

[Speaker 4] (1:03:31 - 1:03:32)
A unanimous vote of the select board.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:32 - 1:03:34)
Yeah, that certainly helps.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:35 - 1:03:55)
I you know any letters of support are are helpful. I mean maybe letters of support from uh our representatives at the state might be helpful. Um you know I think it it's the content of the application is is the key. We've been working um as a team, I in the school department um

[Speaker 6] (1:03:56 - 1:04:16)
kind of putting it together, the principal of the middle school, um I_T_ finance, uh special education, sort of like identifying which questions are best to be answered by which specialties. Um I think that's the most important thing is is the is the content and just the real

[Speaker 6] (1:04:17 - 1:04:41)
true um state of the middle school, I think their ultimate visit to the school is probably more important than anything even this he what we put in the application. Um but no, I mean there's nothing else that comes to mind for me sort of that that we need. I think, you know the the votes are are im are imperative, like we we don't submit without without a vote. It's uh that's just how it how it works.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:41 - 1:04:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:43 - 1:04:49)
Where does the funding come from with the state? What mechanism does the state use for this section of funding do you know?

[Speaker 2] (1:04:50 - 1:04:56)
I b I believe it's a bond that is renewed every five years or something by the legislature. We can look into that and get it back to you though.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:56 - 1:04:59)
Mm-hmm. It's not it has no relation to the federal government?

[Speaker 2] (1:05:00 - 1:05:01)
I don't believe so, no.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:04 - 1:05:04)
I don't know.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:05 - 1:05:12)
I know states like New Hampshire don't have a similar program at all. The communities build their schools entirely locally funded,

[Speaker 6] (1:05:12 - 1:05:15)
which would indicate there's probably not a federal program, but I don't really know either.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:16 - 1:05:19)
I just have to ask because it's like the thing I was thinking.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:20 - 1:05:22)
Why do they ask about the energy stuff,

[Speaker 2] (1:05:22 - 1:05:23)
like first and foremost?

[Speaker 2] (1:05:23 - 1:05:25)
Is there any meaning behind that?

[Speaker 2] (1:05:25 - 1:05:27)
Is that like a very important thing to them?

[Speaker 6] (1:05:29 - 1:05:30)
I don't know.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:32 - 1:05:32)
Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:32 - 1:05:40)
I just feel like our answers are kind of, they're not, maybe they're honest, maybe they're accurate, but they're not strong.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:40 - 1:05:46)
I think the the goal is that the design and future work is prioritizing sustainability and green infrastructure.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:46 - 1:06:00)
So an openness and a willingness and a desire to move forward in that way is I think what's most important to them. I'm happy to sit down with Max and see if there's any opportunities for us to reconsider a particular answer or to talk to you specifically, Doug, about

[Speaker 8] (1:06:01 - 1:06:10)
Any that you may have in mind, but, you know, I think their goal as with many of the state programmes is to drive communities towards adoption, similar to how Green Communities started.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:10 - 1:06:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:11 - 1:06:19)
And so a g a community that's willing to sort of focus on that as part of their prioritisation of the project is what they're they're hoping to find.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:19 - 1:06:20)
Yeah, I would

[Speaker 7] (1:06:20 - 1:06:20)
True.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:20 - 1:06:25)
suggest that you rethink some of these a little bit or beef them up a little bit. We don't

[Speaker 7] (1:06:25 - 1:06:25)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:25 - 1:06:26)
say anything about climate leader.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:27 - 1:06:38)
I mean, that's something. I mean, I mean we have done analysis, I would argue that this one in the middle could be a yes um but I just, you know, if it if it's irrelevant, it's not really that important,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:39 - 1:06:42)
then that's fine, but you know if we've got an opportunity, it's gonna be competitive, then

[Speaker 2] (1:06:43 - 1:06:44)
It's a little bit like a marketing thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:44 - 1:06:45)
We say

[Speaker 2] (1:06:45 - 1:06:45)
And I

[Speaker 1] (1:06:45 - 1:06:45)
please

[Speaker 2] (1:06:45 - 1:06:45)
think

[Speaker 1] (1:06:45 - 1:06:45)
reference

[Speaker 2] (1:06:45 - 1:06:46)
we can offer the

[Speaker 1] (1:06:46 - 1:06:46)
our

[Speaker 2] (1:06:46 - 1:06:46)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:46 - 1:06:50)
what we did at the elementary school because you know that we're

[Speaker 2] (1:06:50 - 1:06:50)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:50 - 1:06:50)
here

[Speaker 2] (1:06:50 - 1:06:50)
Everything

[Speaker 1] (1:06:50 - 1:06:51)
for it.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:51 - 1:06:52)
we've done at the elementary school,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:52 - 1:06:52)
Right?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:52 - 1:06:52)
exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:52 - 1:06:57)
Like there should be an appendix of just this is what we did there and we are willing to do it here.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:58 - 1:06:59)
S in some regard.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:59 - 1:07:01)
Or you could say, please call Doug Thompson.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:01 - 1:07:04)
No, please call Martha actually.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:04 - 1:07:05)
Or Martha Schmidt, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:05 - 1:07:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:05 - 1:07:10)
No, I think having just completed, you know, a highly successful project

[Speaker 2] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:10 - 1:07:12)
with the MSBA, with,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:12 - 1:07:12)
This

[Speaker 6] (1:07:12 - 1:07:16)
you know, an EUI under twenty six um geothermal fully electric

[Speaker 1] (1:07:16 - 1:07:17)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:17 - 1:07:18)
building that they know about,

[Speaker 8] (1:07:18 - 1:07:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:18 - 1:07:20)
that's that's a check mark in

[Speaker 1] (1:07:20 - 1:07:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:20 - 1:07:21)
our box in our

[Speaker 1] (1:07:21 - 1:07:21)
We

[Speaker 6] (1:07:21 - 1:07:21)
project.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:21 - 1:07:22)
should lead with that.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:22 - 1:07:23)
Well then put it in there

[Speaker 1] (1:07:23 - 1:07:23)
Let's

[Speaker 8] (1:07:23 - 1:07:23)
somewhere.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:23 - 1:07:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:23 - 1:07:23)
lead with that.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:23 - 1:07:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:23 - 1:07:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:23 - 1:07:23)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:23 - 1:07:24)
put it in there.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:24 - 1:07:24)
I

[Speaker 8] (1:07:24 - 1:07:24)
Don't let them forget.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:24 - 1:07:25)
think

[Speaker 4] (1:07:24 - 1:07:25)
Forget.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:25 - 1:07:25)
again yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:25 - 1:07:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:25 - 1:07:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:26 - 1:07:30)
And even if it has to be an asterisk, like this doesn't really answer your question, but we want to remind you.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:30 - 1:07:31)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:31 - 1:07:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:31 - 1:07:31)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:07:31 - 1:07:35)
Yeah, and just keep in mind, like, that is a document that we created.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:35 - 1:07:40)
We're actually submitting this, like, in a form, and some of them are just, like,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:40 - 1:07:41)
yes or no question.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
drop down.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:41 - 1:07:43)
Many of them we do have an opportunity to expound on,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:43 - 1:07:43)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:07:43 - 1:07:43)
but

[Speaker 7] (1:07:43 - 1:07:44)
what I was

[Speaker 6] (1:07:44 - 1:07:49)
sometimes we're just checking a box, and that doesn't really come through in the draft document you have.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:52 - 1:07:53)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:53 - 1:07:54)
So we need a vote.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:54 - 1:07:55)
Yep, we do need a vote.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:55 - 1:07:55)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:07:55 - 1:07:57)
Does that mean you're ready for a motion, Doug?

[Speaker 2] (1:07:57 - 1:08:00)
I am, but David seemed most eager.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:00 - 1:08:01)
So All right, let's hear it.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:01 - 1:08:10)
No, I'm just I'm ready for the select board to support the statement of interest in entering the MSBA's core program for the Swampscott Middle School.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:11 - 1:08:11)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:11 - 1:08:13)
I'm sorry to interrupt.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:13 - 1:08:15)
There's very specific vote

[Speaker 1] (1:08:15 - 1:08:15)
Language.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:15 - 1:08:20)
language required by the MSBA that you that we would recommend that you read.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:20 - 1:08:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:21 - 1:08:22)
the end here?

[Speaker 2] (1:08:23 - 1:08:25)
Is it at the end of our packet, this

[Speaker 1] (1:08:25 - 1:08:25)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:08:25 - 1:08:26)
resolved

[Speaker 1] (1:08:26 - 1:08:26)
it's on the last page.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:26 - 1:08:27)
form of votes?

[Speaker 4] (1:08:27 - 1:08:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:27 - 1:08:28)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:28 - 1:08:29)
Choir form of vote.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:29 - 1:08:30)
It's all the way at the end.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:30 - 1:08:32)
All the way at the end. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:32 - 1:08:32)
Got it.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:33 - 1:08:33)
Got it.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:34 - 1:08:34)
Got it.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:34 - 1:08:38)
Please use the text below to prepare the required votes.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:39 - 1:08:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:39 - 1:08:41)
Okay. Having convened an open meeting on April 8,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:42 - 1:08:52)
2026 prior to the SOI submission closing date, the Swampscott Select Board, in accordance with its charter bylaws and ordinances, has voted to authorize the superintendent to submit the MSBA,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:53 - 1:08:59)
the statement of interest form dated April 2026 for the Swampscott Middle School, located at 207 Forest Avenue,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:59 - 1:09:06)
which describes and explains the following deficiencies and priority categories for which an application may be submitted today.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:06 - 1:09:13)
Massachusetts School Building Authority in the future, priority five, replacement renovation or modernization of school facility systems such as roofs,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:14 - 1:09:14)
windows,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:14 - 1:09:22)
boilers, heating and ventilation systems to increase energy conservation and decrease energy related costs in a school facility. Priority seven,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:22 - 1:09:29)
replacement of or addition to obsolete buildings in order to provide a full range of programs consistent with the state and approved local requirements.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:37 - 1:09:37)
accessibility,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:37 - 1:09:38)
fire suppression,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:39 - 1:09:46)
building envelope security and interior finishes. And hereby Forrester specifically acknowledges that by submitting this statement of interest form

[Speaker 1] (1:09:47 - 1:09:53)
The Massachusetts School Building Authority in no way guarantees the acceptance or the approval of an application,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:53 - 1:10:03)
the awarding of a grant, or any other funding commitment from the Massachusetts School Building Authority or commits the town of Swampskate to filing an application for funding with the Massachusetts School Building Authority.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:05 - 1:10:07)
Daniel, can I take you as a second?

[Speaker 3] (1:10:07 - 1:10:08)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:08 - 1:10:13)
All right, all in favour of David's long but proper vote?

[Speaker 3] (1:10:13 - 1:10:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:14 - 1:10:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:14 - 1:10:14)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:10:14 - 1:10:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:14 - 1:10:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:15 - 1:10:19)
And that's unanimous. We are very glad to support this student venture, so

[Speaker 4] (1:10:19 - 1:10:19)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (1:10:19 - 1:10:20)
thank you, Max,

[Speaker 4] (1:10:20 - 1:10:20)
you.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:20 - 1:10:22)
for signing up to do this again.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:23 - 1:10:24)
Thank you, Max.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:24 - 1:10:24)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:27 - 1:10:28)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:29 - 1:10:34)
We're going to move on to discussion and possible vote on the town's action related to

[Speaker 2] (1:10:34 - 1:10:37)
Ice and the federal immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 6] (1:10:41 - 1:10:48)
So we circulated a draft that I got some feedback. I got a draft back from council today,

[Speaker 6] (1:10:48 - 1:10:49)
or last night rather,

[Speaker 6] (1:10:49 - 1:10:51)
that I shared with Doug specifically.

[Speaker 6] (1:10:53 - 1:10:56)
My question is if we would, we

[Speaker 7] (1:10:56 - 1:10:56)
Yes. Discussed.

[Speaker 6] (1:10:56 - 1:10:56)
are,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:57 - 1:10:57)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:10:57 - 1:10:57)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:57 - 1:10:58)
yes, so.

[Speaker 7] (1:10:58 - 1:11:01)
We are going to proceed with the redrafted version.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:01 - 1:11:03)
Doug's going to tell us how it's redrafted.

[Speaker 7] (1:11:04 - 1:11:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:11:04 - 1:11:05)
Perfect.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:05 - 1:11:07)
Yeah, no, I just, I wanted to put it out for...

[Speaker 7] (1:11:07 - 1:11:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:09 - 1:11:12)
All right, so the revised resolution for everyone's benefit is as follows,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:12 - 1:11:15)
much of which is what people have seen before,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:15 - 1:11:17)
but slick word resolution,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:17 - 1:11:23)
whereas the current federal administration's policies, procedures, and methods used to enforce civil immigration have led to fear and concern in Swampscott,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:23 - 1:11:29)
and whereas the enforcement of the nation's federal civil immigration laws is solely the responsibility of the federal government,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:29 - 1:11:31)
not the Swampscott Police Department or any other town departments,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:32 - 1:11:36)
no Swampscott police officer performs the functions of a federal immigration officer.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:35 - 1:12:02)
sir whereas the governor of Massachusetts issues executive order number 650 EO 650 on January 29 2026 which among other things bars federal immigration officers from using state facilities to quote facilitate civil immigration enforcement efforts unquote and conducting enforcement activity in non-public spaces of public buildings and whereas there's a typo there the town of Swampscott through its select board is governed by the Constitution of the United States and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts

[Speaker 6] (1:12:03 - 1:12:06)
The select board, consistent with the oaths taken by its members,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:06 - 1:12:15)
follows that law and whereas the select board strives to ensure that all persons living in, working in or visiting Swampscott be treated fairly and equally regardless of their national origin,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:15 - 1:12:15)
race,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:15 - 1:12:16)
gender,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:16 - 1:12:16)
sexual orientation,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:17 - 1:12:17)
religion,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:17 - 1:12:18)
disability,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:18 - 1:12:19)
immigration status,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:19 - 1:12:29)
ethnicity or political viewpoint and whereas the select board further states that the officers and other employees of the police department affirm its current policy and practices regarding immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:30 - 1:12:38)
Whereas this select board resolution does not prevent town police officers, employees or officials from lawfully discharging their duties in compliance with any applicable state or federal legal requirements,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:39 - 1:12:43)
including but not limited to 8 USC Section 1373,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:43 - 1:12:47)
in keeping with current practices, including if presented with a criminal warrant,

[Speaker 6] (1:12:47 - 1:12:56)
court order from a court of competent jurisdiction or other evidence of probable cause as required by the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution. Now therefore the Swampscot Select-

[Speaker 6] (1:12:56 - 1:12:59)
Select board affirms the above commitment to members of the community and hereby proclaims as follows.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:01 - 1:13:05)
The town shall not use the property within its custody and control,

[Speaker 6] (1:13:05 - 1:13:06)
including parking lots,

[Speaker 6] (1:13:07 - 1:13:08)
garages, parks,

[Speaker 6] (1:13:08 - 1:13:09)
or buildings,

[Speaker 6] (1:13:09 - 1:13:14)
including the interior or exterior areas of any parcel upon which a building is located for staging areas,

[Speaker 6] (1:13:15 - 1:13:16)
processing locations,

[Speaker 6] (1:13:16 - 1:13:21)
or operations bases for federal immigration enforcement actions.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:24 - 1:13:40)
Town officials and employees shall not provide access to non-public areas of town buildings unless required by a valid judicial warrant or court order issued by a judge or magistrate sitting in the judicial branch of state government or the federal government or other applicable law or valid legal justification.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:41 - 1:14:00)
Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to require action inconsistent with any applicable state or federal law, regulation or policy to diminish the statutory authority of any executive branch entity or require action that would be inconsistent with other legal requirements for a state or federally supported how do lawyers live anyway okay legal

[Speaker 2] (1:14:00 - 1:14:01)
Or do us.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:01 - 1:14:08)
requirements for a state or federally supported or funded program nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to restrict or interfere with the

[Speaker 6] (1:14:08 - 1:14:12)
with the execution of lawful judicial warrants or judicial orders or the enforcement of criminal law.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:13 - 1:14:23)
This proclamation reinforces and affirms the town's emphasis on providing for the public safety of community members and does not restrict or interfere with the lawful conduct of civil immigration enforcement.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:23 - 1:14:24)
In addition,

[Speaker 6] (1:14:24 - 1:14:36)
the town's responsibility to protect its citizens and visitors is select board urges all residents and visitors to express their views in peaceful and nonviolent ways which have been shown to be the most effective way to counter and rollback the actions of federal immigration enforcement agents.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:38 - 1:14:42)
Hopefully pass by the vote of the Swampscott Select Board on this day.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:47 - 1:14:59)
Okay, so to Doug's point, this proclamation has been heavily vetted through council to ensure that we are not putting,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:59 - 1:15:06)
we're not jeopardizing Swampscott in any way for maintaining this viewpoint from a federal or state.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:06 - 1:15:07)
perspective.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:08 - 1:15:20)
Obviously there are no guarantees but we have all the right language that we're meant to have so that we're not putting ourselves in harm's way from you know budgetary issues or anything like that to the best of our abilities.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:21 - 1:15:29)
Right, and it's highly consistent with many other jurisdictions that, you know, of similar competence and orientation.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:33 - 1:15:36)
So I'd make a motion to approve this resolution.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:36 - 1:15:37)
I will second.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:38 - 1:15:39)
Additional discussion?

[Speaker 2] (1:15:42 - 1:15:43)
All right, all in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:15:43 - 1:15:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:44 - 1:15:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:44 - 1:15:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:44 - 1:15:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:44 - 1:15:46)
None opposed,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:46 - 1:15:46)
so.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:48 - 1:15:49)
Doug, you can cross it off the list.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:49 - 1:15:50)
Yay.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:50 - 1:15:51)
Something we've accomplished.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:54 - 1:15:57)
Appreciate your work and appreciate the town administrators'

[Speaker 7] (1:15:57 - 1:15:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:57 - 1:15:58)
diligence

[Speaker 7] (1:15:58 - 1:15:59)
in

[Speaker 2] (1:15:59 - 1:15:59)
in

[Speaker 7] (1:15:59 - 1:15:59)
pursuing it.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:59 - 1:16:01)
trying to get us exactly what we were looking

[Speaker 7] (1:16:01 - 1:16:01)
Sorry for the delay.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:01 - 1:16:02)
for.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:02 - 1:16:03)
No, not at all.

[Speaker 10] (1:16:03 - 1:16:04)
Thank you, Nick.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:04 - 1:16:05)
Thank you, Nick, very much.

[Speaker 10] (1:16:05 - 1:16:06)
And thank you,

[Speaker 2] (1:16:06 - 1:16:12)
All right, we move on to item five, discussion and possible vote on fiscal year 2027's preliminary budget as updated.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:18 - 1:16:20)
Very satis, I think.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:20 - 1:16:21)
Shannon, thank you for this.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:22 - 1:16:22)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:22 - 1:16:23)
Made a lovely, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:23 - 1:16:24)
it's big.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:25 - 1:16:25)
it's

[Speaker 6] (1:16:25 - 1:16:25)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:16:25 - 1:16:26)
a very

[Speaker 6] (1:16:26 - 1:16:34)
a long piece of paper for our long-range financial plan. So the goal tonight is to be responsive to the request for a longer-range financial plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:35 - 1:16:42)
The document that I had shared in the electronic draft of the packet I have tweaked a little bit.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:42 - 1:16:46)
The one change that was made after feedback from a few different folks was

[Speaker 6] (1:16:47 - 1:17:04)
To make sure that on the town side we were at I think on the salary consistent with our current planning for you know both salary and expenses and reflective of what we did this year and in the same way to match the school's work this year to get to three and a quarter.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:05 - 1:17:29)
as a a number that we're carrying going forward. So I just wanted to give a couple of slides here with a few points, and then I'm gonna open that up as a P_D_F_ to view it as best we can online. I don't know how good that's gonna go for us, but we'll see w see what happens. So this is a five year projection uh to give the context that folks have been looking for in terms of this year's decisions and with the idea that, you know, having a good sense of what's ahead or as as good a sense as we can have of what's ahead.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:30 - 1:17:33)
It this is something that I I plan along with Patrick to regularly update.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:33 - 1:17:46)
update at the least it would be quarterly. You'll hear about this in the summer, you'll hear about it again in the fall. This will be probably the form that we'll take for future projections of both uh revenue and expense as well, which was we did a little different this year, being that I was about four weeks in.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:47 - 1:17:51)
And just again on the assumption side this is based on a mix of the things that we do know,

[Speaker 6] (1:17:52 - 1:17:53)
the financial policies, and then

[Speaker 6] (1:17:54 - 1:18:16)
the best informed projections that we can have. But sort of the for the further out we get the the less realistic or specific it is because we're going beyond our collective bargaining that we currently have and and that type of thing. So just highlight a few assumptions here. Um it's two percent levy plus four twenty five in new growth. We carry state aid flat because it has not consistently been growing.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:16 - 1:18:20)
It's something that each year we'll be able to sort of move based on governors'

[Speaker 6] (1:18:20 - 1:18:33)
budget, which is, you know, first few weeks of the calendar year each year. Um and then that also changes as we go through the legislative process where April vacation is the house and then the senate comes sometime between then and whenever they decide to move the budget forward.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:33 - 1:18:42)
Uh on health insurance we're holding it at ten percent growth. We had the fourteen last year. This year was ten without plan redesign. I don't know

[Speaker 6] (1:18:42 - 1:18:45)
what GIC can really do to get it lower than that.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:45 - 1:18:55)
That was something that was on the table this year. The governor eventually pulled it from the proposals with her appointees and they focused on removing GLP-1s, which did make a significant impact.

[Speaker 6] (1:18:55 - 1:18:59)
So it was just one of those things where I guess they were choosing which one this year they would focus on,

[Speaker 6] (1:18:59 - 1:19:14)
and I think going forward this will be a question if we can do plan redesign at the state level in GIC to sort of bend the growth, and then obviously part of future discussions as we do look at potential deficits would be having ongoing conversations with the

[Speaker 6] (1:19:14 - 1:19:24)
It's with the PAC here in town as well. On local receipts, I just wanted to highlight that we're following the policy as best we can, but where we have actual information or projections that we

[Speaker 1] (1:19:33 - 1:19:38)
for food and beverage. And so those are things that, you know, working with Marcy and the team, we're able to look back at what was proposed,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:38 - 1:19:39)
what we all anticipate,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:41)
and those numbers are threaded in.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:43 - 1:19:50)
And sort of the different side of that would be looking at when a particular piece of new growth would come on, so a large residential

[Speaker 1] (1:19:51 - 1:20:11)
development as we get more information on when we anticipate it opening, that's when we will update this to make sure that it reflects the year in which we anticipate getting that that new growth. But it's a little difficult to be picking year to year when we start to look at deficits because we don't want to be doing it sort of from the super optimistic view to say oh there's not a deficit because that new growth will hit the right year.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:11 - 1:20:14)
We want to make sure that we're basing it on information that we have instead.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:15 - 1:20:15)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:20:15 - 1:20:17)
I have a couple little questions,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:17 - 1:20:17)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:17 - 1:20:18)
comments on that.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:18 - 1:20:19)
Was that the last slide?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:19 - 1:20:22)
I'm going to go to, can I set up the PDF while you start to ask a question?

[Speaker 2] (1:20:22 - 1:20:22)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:23 - 1:20:31)
Is the flat state aid actually what the like last three year average is or is just so we know,

[Speaker 2] (1:20:31 - 1:20:35)
I mean, contextually, is that a conservative estimate or?

[Speaker 2] (1:20:36 - 1:20:37)
Is that really what the average is

[Speaker 1] (1:20:37 - 1:20:37)
So it

[Speaker 2] (1:20:37 - 1:20:38)
flat?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:38 - 1:20:41)
is a conservative estimate and it's what we did this year, I

[Speaker 2] (1:20:41 - 1:20:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:47)
think in the end for the projections. And when we got the governor's numbers we changed it to reflect her proposal.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:47 - 1:20:48)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:20:48 - 1:20:52)
But in general state aid does go up. It's just a matter of is it two percent, three percent, four, whatever.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:52 - 1:21:00)
the the question is the assessments. And so like the net increase can be different if we have more charter students going out.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:01 - 1:21:02)
then it Oh, could significantly

[Speaker 2] (1:21:02 - 1:21:03)
you mean impact with charter?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:03 - 1:21:04)
what our number can be.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:04 - 1:21:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:04 - 1:21:14)
Currently, I think we benefit from the fact that the school system is very attractive to folks, so the number in that charter out dollar is going down year over year.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:14 - 1:21:16)
That may not always be the case.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:17 - 1:21:18)
Other assessments,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:18 - 1:21:19)
MBTA and others,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:19 - 1:21:29)
they kind of use to be able to say state aid is increasing when you look at UGGA and unrestricted government aid in Chapter 70, but they don't.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:30 - 1:21:32)
The press release doesn't talk about what they take, it's only what they give.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:33 - 1:21:35)
Okay, so putting that all together,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:36 - 1:21:41)
our net increased over the last three years or so. Do you h do you

[Speaker 1] (1:21:41 - 1:21:48)
I think it's something we could push a little bit higher, but my goal is to be more conservative, to be quite honest, at this point. Because as we get that information,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:48 - 1:21:49)
it would make next year

[Speaker 1] (1:21:50 - 1:21:52)
sort of easier to to make right.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:53 - 1:22:08)
You know, we've had these kind of discussions before about this, right, because, you know, we look down at the bottom line here and you see the increasing negative negative number, but if you even just add one percent on state aid each year, and that starts to ripple through all these years,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:08 - 1:22:08)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:08 - 1:22:10)
then it can add up to real money.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:11 - 1:22:13)
So I don't want to be like sitting here for an hour,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:14 - 1:22:21)
you know, pulling our hair out, whatever we have, and you know, but it's actually a relatively simple math.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:22 - 1:22:26)
It's really an assumption issue, a very small but significant one.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:26 - 1:22:31)
But to that to that same effect, if if, you know, we're assuming right now health insurance is

[Speaker 5] (1:22:31 - 1:22:31)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:31 - 1:22:35)
is is gonna be one number. So if they if it were off by one percent,

[Speaker 5] (1:22:35 - 1:22:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:35 - 1:22:37)
that's also a large

[Speaker 4] (1:22:37 - 1:22:40)
That's also a large number in the opposite direction, so.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:40 - 1:22:42)
It might be that those aren't the same magnitude.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:42 - 1:22:54)
I don't know if those are the same magnitude number. So that's, you know, just I think to be uh and even on the ten percent I was gonna ask, is that really ultimately, you know, what the last three years have been? Maybe I'm just picking three years. Just I s

[Speaker 1] (1:22:54 - 1:22:59)
I actually think the li last three years just doing the simple math that I'm capable of, not Patrick's math, it has been over ten percent.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:59 - 1:23:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
Over ten percent.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
It's been higher.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:01 - 1:23:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:01 - 1:23:05)
And but but this is no assumption of ever coming out of the G_I_C_ or

[Speaker 6] (1:23:05 - 1:23:08)
or incentivizing people to not take our insurance, correct?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:08 - 1:23:08)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:09 - 1:23:12)
This is current, sorry, current set up, current world, just

[Speaker 6] (1:23:12 - 1:23:12)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:23:12 - 1:23:13)
trying

[Speaker 6] (1:23:13 - 1:23:14)
that is something we're exploring.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:14 - 1:23:26)
Correct, it is. And the the consultant on that, on the GIC side, will look to the sort of threshold is get all of our information that we can request once every three years as part of the contract.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:31)
And if we're a net subsidizer, they will go out and see in the market what we may be able to do.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:32 - 1:23:35)
If we are not, we are not leaving I see. So, you

[Speaker 2] (1:23:35 - 1:23:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:36 - 1:23:36)
know, I'm.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:36 - 1:23:43)
Just just to answer your qui actually just you were spot-on actually maybe you knew that state aid and health insurance are about the same amount so

[Speaker 6] (1:23:44 - 1:23:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:44 - 1:23:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:45 - 1:23:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
Um

[Speaker 7] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
So point

[Speaker 4] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
now

[Speaker 7] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
taken.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:46 - 1:23:55)
just no, just and Nick, just one other one other question is how did how does this feather in with the with what our available access levee capacity is?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:56 - 1:24:00)
So let me zoom in because I'm having a hard time even seeing this. So um

[Speaker 1] (1:24:04 - 1:24:09)
Excess levy capacity, if you just look at the screen, David, like is right it's like the fourth down there.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:10 - 1:24:13)
So in twenty twenty seven excess levy

[Speaker 2] (1:24:13 - 1:24:13)
capacity Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:13 - 1:24:14)
is two point five.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:14 - 1:24:15)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:24:16 - 1:24:28)
the change i that's the number that we're using this year, right? Patrick, I just wanna make sure I'm saying this correctly 'cause I had the same question, David. When we look at next year after using nine sixty one, is that right? Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:30 - 1:24:35)
This is where we stand, and then when we get to twenty nine, we're using all that to try to close it.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:36 - 1:24:38)
Look at that, it's perfect, we landed right at zero.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:39 - 1:24:41)
Well, no, that's it's just zeroing out that number.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:41 - 1:24:45)
But don't give Patrick that much credit for this, you know. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:24:45 - 1:24:46)
That was a soft landing.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:47 - 1:24:57)
But as we, you know, look down here, the surplus or deficit at the b the bottom line is really I think what you may ultimately be getting at, which is as we start to go into

[Speaker 1] (1:24:58 - 1:24:59)
We're already in deficit

[Speaker 6] (1:24:59 - 1:24:59)
There

[Speaker 1] (1:24:59 - 1:24:59)
spending this

[Speaker 6] (1:24:59 - 1:24:59)
we go,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:59 - 1:24:59)
year too.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:59 - 1:25:00)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:00 - 1:25:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:01 - 1:25:10)
So we get to the point that there's now a delta to make up as opposed to excess levy that's available when you get to 29 and it's just under 500 in current projections.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:10 - 1:25:14)
Yep. So very technically, if everything was right in 2029, we'd actually need an override.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:15 - 1:25:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:16 - 1:25:17)
And to be clear.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:18 - 1:25:19)
This is a snapshot.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:20 - 1:25:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:20 - 1:25:20)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:20 - 1:25:25)
Everything is not going to go exactly as we expect. This is based on assumptions. And I'm saying this

[Speaker 2] (1:25:25 - 1:25:25)
You

[Speaker 1] (1:25:25 - 1:25:27)
more for my own benefit than than you

[Speaker 8] (1:25:27 - 1:25:28)
The

[Speaker 1] (1:25:28 - 1:25:28)
all,

[Speaker 8] (1:25:28 - 1:25:30)
public to understand. So so don't live by this chart.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:30 - 1:25:34)
when we look at it, it will change probably every three months when we're looking at it,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:34 - 1:25:34)
Of course.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:34 - 1:25:45)
up or down, um as we get more information and have a better understanding, certainly on the revenue side, where we think things will land, um but also as we're able to either identify ways to control costs or we see things that are going beyond our control,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:45 - 1:25:46)
under our control.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:46 - 1:25:49)
But I just want to underline for everyone,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:49 - 1:25:50)
it is a snapshot,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:50 - 1:25:58)
a moment in time that we will come back to repeatedly so that we're having informed discussions about 27 right now, but also 28, 29 and whatever going forward.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:58 - 1:26:05)
Yeah, I mean I think for me it's important that this document is dynamic and that we're constantly evaluating it, we're constantly updating it so that

[Speaker 8] (1:26:06 - 1:26:12)
There was a lot of legwork to get to here for you guys to put this together now because we didn't really have,

[Speaker 8] (1:26:12 - 1:26:17)
I mean we had bits of starting points but nothing like sort of this concrete and as

[Speaker 8] (1:26:19 - 1:26:42)
as this evolves and has more information some of these will become more solid but then we're always going to have that squishiness in the out years because there is no crystal ball in town hall and we have no certainty so we can make the best of it that we can but should be informing you know some of our choices like whether or not we where we can fit the middle school and what this looks like and if we were in

[Speaker 8] (1:26:43 - 1:26:50)
2029 to have to go before and say okay well we're looking at a deficit of half a million and potentially a million dollar in spend for

[Speaker 2] (1:26:50 - 1:26:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:50 - 1:26:57)
a feasibility study like it gives it context rather than you know as we were discussing earlier very Ellen.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:00 - 1:27:08)
So let me, on your first slide you had 2% on the tax levy you had 2% and then here I'm reading 2.5%.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:10 - 1:27:11)
Where's everyone?

[Speaker 2] (1:27:14 - 1:27:14)
So

[Speaker 8] (1:27:14 - 1:27:15)
Is the second line down?

[Speaker 1] (1:27:15 - 1:27:15)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:16 - 1:27:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:16 - 1:27:18)
And your original slide here,

[Speaker 6] (1:27:18 - 1:27:19)
and your narrative slides.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:23 - 1:27:26)
Yes. You're right, and I apologize.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:26 - 1:27:27)
The narrative was incorrect. It's two and a half.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:27 - 1:27:28)
Okay, good.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:28 - 1:27:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:28 - 1:27:29)
So we are at the two and a half.

[Speaker 2] (1:27:29 - 1:27:30)
Yep, it's growing.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:30 - 1:27:31)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:27:31 - 1:27:31)
Dropped to a half.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:31 - 1:27:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:45 - 1:27:49)
And for something like the new growth we would have a better idea of where we see

[Speaker 1] (1:27:51 - 1:27:59)
beyond the 425 as we have a better understanding of some of the larger residential going forward as we discussed a couple meetings ago, that we can highlight as we move.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:07 - 1:28:08)
Okay, well this will

[Speaker 8] (1:28:09 - 1:28:21)
This is the first time we're seeing this, this will not be the last time, and we will continue to have conversations as as people get a more more more intimately aware of what's happening on the spreadsheet. We can certainly give feedback to Nick

[Speaker 2] (1:28:21 - 1:28:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:21 - 1:28:24)
upon our each individual review.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:24 - 1:28:30)
for um obviously we can have it on another agenda um to discuss, but I think

[Speaker 1] (1:28:30 - 1:28:42)
And we'll be talking about it tomorrow night with FinCom as well. I wanted to make sure that we talk to you all the first for at least this first blush, but they as with you wanted to make sure that's something that they had at their disposal to make decisions in the current fiscal year.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:44 - 1:28:46)
And we're happy to sit down with folks individually if

[Speaker 1] (1:28:47 - 1:28:58)
You know, you would like deeper discussion or um there's a number of other workbooks that are behind all this obviously, but we wanted to roll this up to something that's at least in part digestible in a meeting like this.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:59 - 1:29:03)
I just wanna touch back on what they'll be saying as far as

[Speaker 9] (1:29:07 - 1:29:10)
as far as the state revenues.

[Speaker 9] (1:29:13 - 1:29:15)
Just um I

[Speaker 9] (1:29:15 - 1:29:19)
I'm just wondering, based on historical data,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:20 - 1:29:32)
on our assessments and our revenues and what the state is forecasting, because what I'm hearing is the state is forecasting a little bit of doom and gloom.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:34 - 1:29:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:35 - 1:29:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:36 - 1:29:37)
So I guess being

[Speaker 1] (1:29:38 - 1:29:40)
I guess we have to be conservative.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:40 - 1:29:43)
Yep. And to further uh

[Speaker 2] (1:29:44 - 1:30:07)
shoot holes in my theory, um even if you gave it a couple percent increase, which I grant in this environment would be aggressive, that's that's not really gonna m make a material difference uh really in the bottom line. I mean, even if you got a seventy hundred, two hundred thousand dollars out of it, you that you're not materially affecting the trajectory.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:08 - 1:30:17)
And my hope would be that as we do get more information on any of these that we're holding as conservative, it makes the year we're in next year more realistic better

[Speaker 2] (1:30:17 - 1:30:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:17 - 1:30:21)
and then has the knock-on effect out.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:21 - 1:30:34)
That's part of why you know I think maybe even Patrick would want to be a little bit more optimistic than I am but from where I sit I want to make sure that we are being realistic so that we are prepared if you know state tax revenue

[Speaker 3] (1:30:36 - 1:31:04)
crashes, then local aid is one of the things that they normally will just keep basically at zero. It won't roll back, but it's not going to grow. And that's when you get into the give and take part of it, where they might say it's increased by three hundred million dollars, but assessments have increased by a significant number as well. Um we're we're happy to think about adjustments and certainly the with the schools the three and a quarter was one that looking at what we did this year and how hard they worked to get where they were, it was reasonable to make sure that

[Speaker 3] (1:31:05 - 1:31:19)
You know, we're reflecting both of those efforts in the in the years going out as well because we think it's again sort of conservative with a small c_ and something that we can be focused on trying to do everything we can to fund other priorities if and when funds become available.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:19 - 1:31:23)
Yeah, and I mean there are ballot initiatives that that are upcoming, you know,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:23 - 1:31:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:23 - 1:31:32)
one around the repeal of uh of recreational cannabis and the other around rent control, uh both of those could have material uh impacts to

[Speaker 4] (1:31:33 - 1:31:35)
our budget as well as the state budget.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:35 - 1:31:37)
And one to decrease the state income tax.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:38 - 1:31:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:38 - 1:31:39)
Yep. So

[Speaker 3] (1:31:39 - 1:31:47)
I another one that has been in the legislature for multiple sessions is the idea of allowing local option on meals tax to be doubled.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:47 - 1:31:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:47 - 1:31:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:47 - 1:31:49)
And so especially as we have

[Speaker 3] (1:31:50 - 1:32:10)
You know, new places to eat m and go uh and been in it's uh it's an opportunity that there might be more significant increase in local receipts at that level and that is one of the few ways that we're not just reaching into the taxpayer's pocket, its folks from other communities that also are coming um that are pitching in and helping us to pay for some of the services that we all would like to be able to fund.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:10 - 1:32:16)
I think the the little bit of a worry with that is you have to remember on a

[Speaker 5] (1:32:17 - 1:32:30)
On a million dollars, on a million dollars loan for for the food and for the food food and beverage we're only making seven thousand dollars.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:30 - 1:32:40)
So it's it's really in the hotel area and in the cannabis area where we get a little bit more bang for our buck.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:42 - 1:32:43)
Yeah, you

[Speaker 5] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43)
get a

[Speaker 5] (1:32:43 - 1:32:51)
mean I hope they do change it, but I don't, you know, don't start getting all excited that it's a whole lot of money, because it's really not.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:51 - 1:32:53)
Oh, I mean the hotels the Hotel hotel

[Speaker 5] (1:32:53 - 1:32:54)
is where it's at.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:54 - 1:32:58)
and force. Yeah, that's the six the six percent versus the seventy five basis points for

[Speaker 5] (1:32:58 - 1:32:58)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:58 - 1:32:59)
for F and B_

[Speaker 5] (1:33:00 - 1:33:10)
Um so I just have a question. So on the town budget you because I can't see it that far from here. On the town budget you're you're only putting in a two percent increase for

[Speaker 5] (1:33:12 - 1:33:21)
twenty seven and twenty eight and is that what it's really coming out to with especially with the way our contracts.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:22 - 1:33:27)
So what we had looked at was a percentage for salary and a percentage for expenses,

[Speaker 5] (1:33:27 - 1:33:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:28 - 1:33:35)
and so I'm not sure what the final breakdown in that, if it got rounded up or down. Um if you wanna

[Speaker 2] (1:33:35 - 1:33:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:35 - 1:33:35)
jump in.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:36 - 1:33:38)
Yeah, I'll just jump in. So for a town

[Speaker 6] (1:33:39 - 1:33:58)
Operations going out into the future, we assumed three percent overall assumption on salaries. Excuse me, I'm getting over a cold. And um two percent on operating expenses. And I just wanna call out this town budget number does not include fixed costs. Those are up above under obligations.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:01 - 1:34:04)
But the 2027, this is the the budget.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:04 - 1:34:08)
This reflects what's in our budget proposal at this current time, as you all approved.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:08 - 1:34:09)
And to Muriel its point,

[Speaker 3] (1:34:09 - 1:34:09)
that So

[Speaker 2] (1:34:09 - 1:34:15)
so two percent is actually for that town budget line is the year-over-year increase at this point for the town budget.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:15 - 1:34:17)
Minus fixed costs.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:17 - 1:34:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:17 - 1:34:23)
No, because then it goes to, we go to three percent in, what year is this, twenty,

[Speaker 5] (1:34:23 - 1:34:24)
twenty nine.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:24 - 1:34:25)
Twenty-nine.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:27 - 1:34:29)
And what do we have, what do we have the schools at?

[Speaker 3] (1:34:30 - 1:34:30)
Three and a quarter.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:30 - 1:34:32)
Okay, mine says four.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:32 - 1:34:32)
This

[Speaker 3] (1:34:32 - 1:34:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:34:32 - 1:34:32)
one says

[Speaker 3] (1:34:32 - 1:34:33)
it says four.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:33 - 1:34:33)
four

[Speaker 3] (1:34:33 - 1:34:33)
That

[Speaker 7] (1:34:33 - 1:34:33)
here.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:33 - 1:34:36)
was what I said, the update between one, these

[Speaker 2] (1:34:36 - 1:34:36)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:36 - 1:34:37)
were all printed and

[Speaker 5] (1:34:37 - 1:34:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:37 - 1:34:41)
the final changes that were made.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:43 - 1:34:44)
So it'll be consistent three and a quarter across?

[Speaker 3] (1:34:45 - 1:34:45)
Right now, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:46 - 1:34:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:46 - 1:34:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52)
Thank you both very much.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:53 - 1:35:04)
I do have I'm just I have to bring it up for this year's budget, I mean a at what point are we going to be discussing the schools sitting on the Nahant revolving account? Cash.

[Speaker 3] (1:35:06 - 1:35:08)
That we not discuss that?

[Speaker 5] (1:35:09 - 1:35:10)
Well I I you know the schools

[Speaker 5] (1:35:11 - 1:35:12)
schools have

[Speaker 5] (1:35:14 - 1:35:19)
in September five hundred and seventy four thousand dollars in a revolving fund and

[Speaker 5] (1:35:19 - 1:35:24)
I would like to see that money applied to this budget.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:24 - 1:35:30)
And I don't know how the select board is, you know, what the select board's opinion is on that or.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:30 - 1:35:32)
I think it's really important if

[Speaker 2] (1:35:32 - 1:35:34)
Can I just ask Mary Ellen a question first?

[Speaker 3] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:35 - 1:35:45)
You I assume you saw we saw an email or a like a breakdown of the the drawdown how much is anticipated to be used by certain did you see that accounting?

[Speaker 5] (1:35:45 - 1:35:57)
I'm not uh well it's here here's what we have is we have we have a budget so this school committee has a budget they're working off of their budget and they've reported this so far this year

[Speaker 5] (1:35:57 - 1:36:00)
That they're doing a great job and they're coming in under budget.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:01 - 1:36:03)
So coming in under budget,

[Speaker 5] (1:36:03 - 1:36:06)
there's cash sitting in this account.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:09 - 1:36:12)
I think there is there has to be a clear conversation. I mean,

[Speaker 5] (1:36:12 - 1:36:14)
so if the school is saying,

[Speaker 5] (1:36:14 - 1:36:18)
hey, we're working off of this account and we're going to take a little bit more out of this account.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:19 - 1:36:29)
There is no financial policy of having just this lump sum of money sitting there when the schools just go in and take it in and out.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:29 - 1:36:34)
I mean, we do have a mechanism in the event that we have an unforeseen expense.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:34 - 1:36:36)
In any department,

[Speaker 5] (1:36:36 - 1:36:44)
we go to the Finance Committee Reserve, which is specifically set up to take care of unforeseen issues.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:45 - 1:36:56)
But to have this amount of cash just sitting in an account while we're reaching into our unused levy is

[Speaker 5] (1:36:57 - 1:36:59)
insane to me.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:00 - 1:37:05)
So I think it's important to just vocalize the data points from that email because,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:05 - 1:37:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:06 - 1:37:08)
I mean, when you say 400,

[Speaker 7] (1:37:08 - 1:37:11)
what did you say, 540,000?

[Speaker 5] (1:37:11 - 1:37:15)
On August, excuse me, September 11th, I'm saying what the schools reported

[Speaker 7] (1:37:15 - 1:37:15)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:15 - 1:37:17)
was 574.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:17 - 1:37:18)
So at the end of this year,

[Speaker 7] (1:37:19 - 1:37:22)
based on the current rate of spending from that account,

[Speaker 7] (1:37:23 - 1:37:23)
what will be left?

[Speaker 2] (1:37:24 - 1:37:25)
I just

[Speaker 7] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
based

[Speaker 2] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
want to be

[Speaker 7] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
on

[Speaker 2] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
out.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
data.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:25 - 1:37:29)
Are you asking us the question or the superintendent, just to be fair to you?

[Speaker 2] (1:37:30 - 1:37:34)
I'm happy to try to answer it, but I don't know if you're actually asking us or asking

[Speaker 5] (1:37:34 - 1:37:34)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:34 - 1:37:34)
it.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:34 - 1:37:36)
I think it's the select board that has to weigh in.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:36 - 1:37:47)
I think if the members of the select board say, hey, I'm okay with the school sitting on a large fund of money and going in and using the excess levy,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:47 - 1:37:50)
I think that's what people have to say.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:51 - 1:37:53)
Well, I wouldn't say it that way. The surprising

[Speaker 5] (1:37:53 - 1:37:55)
Whichever way you want to say it, I mean.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:55 - 1:37:55)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:55 - 1:37:56)
Here's here's what I understand,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:56 - 1:37:57)
You're saying you're very supportive.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:57 - 1:37:59)
and I don't have I don't have the memo in front of me or the email,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:59 - 1:38:15)
but here's roughly what I understand. If I'm way off, please correct me. But basically what I understood from that memo was that there's the 540 at that point in time. They expect it to be something like half of that or something by the end of this fiscal year,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:15 - 1:38:17)
200,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:17 - 1:38:17)
300.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:18 - 1:38:20)
I think that's it's going to be higher at the end of this fiscal year.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:20 - 1:38:21)
Four

[Speaker 3] (1:38:21 - 1:38:21)
It's going to be double

[Speaker 2] (1:38:21 - 1:38:22)
hundred four hundred

[Speaker 3] (1:38:22 - 1:38:22)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:22 - 1:38:23)
by then four hundred by the end of this fiscal

[Speaker 3] (1:38:23 - 1:38:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:23 - 1:38:33)
year and then your budget next year as an assumption that use another 200 or so but so by the end of the following year it would be down to 200

[Speaker 3] (1:38:33 - 1:38:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:33 - 1:38:35)
okay so that's so

[Speaker 2] (1:38:39 - 1:38:50)
I still don't have 100% clarity in my mind whether or not I wish or I should have or they or someone else should have said something at some point earlier about whether or not this existed and what would be left and when and all that.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:50 - 1:38:51)
I'm going to put that aside.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:52 - 1:38:52)
For now,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:52 - 1:38:55)
I feel like now through all these conversations,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:55 - 1:38:58)
many of which you've helped to spur,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:58 - 1:39:03)
we've all have, I think, total clarity on what's in that account,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:04 - 1:39:05)
what it can be spent for,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:05 - 1:39:07)
what the projection is,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:07 - 1:39:14)
and I think the schools have heard loud and clear, I hope, I would think, that a dialogue about if that balloon

[Speaker 2] (1:39:15 - 1:39:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:16 - 1:39:17)
I would expect,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:18)
not that I'll be here,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:18 - 1:39:21)
but the superintendent probably would be saying something about that.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:22 - 1:39:26)
So I think that we've brought clarity and transparency to the situation,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:32)
and right now we have a budget whether or not you want to take money out of that budget,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:33 - 1:39:36)
I would assume, you know, there's two options then.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:36 - 1:39:37)
Either then...

[Speaker 1] (1:39:37 - 1:39:40)
They're going to say well then we need more general fund money

[Speaker 1] (1:39:40 - 1:39:45)
To get to the same point or if what you're really saying is you want them to just cut their budget.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:46 - 1:39:51)
That's another thing that's not that's not an opinion I have right now, but that's kind of my understanding of the situation

[Speaker 3] (1:39:52 - 1:39:52)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:52 - 1:39:57)
to speak to the first item, which is sort of like how we got to where we are.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:57 - 1:39:58)
I totally agree.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:59 - 1:40:02)
We have much more transparency than we had originally.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:02 - 1:40:12)
We will have further transparency. The tri-chair met and has committed to in May or June meeting and going over all the financial guidelines,

[Speaker 3] (1:40:12 - 1:40:13)
what we use for free cash,

[Speaker 3] (1:40:13 - 1:40:15)
the parameters by which we,

[Speaker 3] (1:40:15 - 1:40:18)
you know, the boundaries by which we stay as a town.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:18 - 1:40:24)
In addition, we are adding this to the docket to be discussed of the expectations of how the town.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:24 - 1:40:29)
and the school committee can work together to come up with parameters by which that account is.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:30 - 1:40:30)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:30 - 1:40:36)
more well regulated so that we don't end up in this situation again so there is clarity going forward.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:37 - 1:40:40)
So we have all committed to doing that.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:40 - 1:40:47)
Schools aligned with that. School has come to every table and answered every question we've asked involving this account.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:48 - 1:40:55)
We've pushed back a lot both publicly and in tri-chair pushed back a lot to get to a point where we think that

[Speaker 3] (1:40:56 - 1:41:11)
given the facts of what occurred we can still put the school in a successful position but we're not going to put the taxpayers in a worse off position and they are working to they're continuing to commit to do that and and I think we will get there feel

[Speaker 4] (1:41:16 - 1:41:17)
Would you like me to chime in?

[Speaker 4] (1:41:17 - 1:41:18)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:41:18 - 1:41:19)
free it's up to you Jason you're welcome to

[Speaker 4] (1:41:19 - 1:41:23)
I was just going to say, I actually agree with you that we should have a financial policy about

[Speaker 4] (1:41:23 - 1:41:28)
the funds. I think Nick and I will could talk about that and figure that out. I don't disagree with that.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:29 - 1:41:31)
Just to go over it again for clarity's sake,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:31 - 1:41:42)
there has been years where this fund was at zero. That is not what we want. That is not good financial planning. That is not a situation we will be coming to you for way more if we zero it out. That's just the facts.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:44 - 1:41:46)
Yes, it grew in large part because,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:46 - 1:41:51)
again, we get three payments from the haunt, so it comes beginning of the year, mid-year, end-year,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:51 - 1:41:55)
and then it will drop in June when we pay our teachers over the summer.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:55 - 1:41:56)
We use this fund to pay for teachers,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:56 - 1:41:57)
psychologists,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:57 - 1:41:58)
special ed,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:59 - 1:41:59)
counselors,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:59 - 1:42:05)
you name it, anything that we can use for when there's not student in the building,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:05 - 1:42:06)
that's what we use it for.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:07 - 1:42:12)
Because of that, it will drop at the end of this year. The way we were able to go from 4.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:12 - 1:42:30)
4% that was originally our um our number to 3.25 in large part was because we are spending down the account. Again, we don't think it's smart financial planning to zero it out. We will be coming to you for a much bigger ask, but this is how we were able to come to 325. And for what it's worth

[Speaker 4] (1:42:31 - 1:42:42)
And I know we're not out of the towns. There are towns that carry millions of dollars in revolving accounts. We are not there, nor would we be asked to be there. But um so that's that's my take on it.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:43 - 1:42:47)
And I just I just want to thank the superintendent for answering this question again and again

[Speaker 3] (1:42:47 - 1:42:48)
And again.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:48 - 1:42:57)
and again. So this is at least the third time that this question's been answered in a public meeting. So, you know, uh my opinion is that it's it's been asked, it's been answered.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:57 - 1:43:02)
And I think we should continue on with our meeting. So thank you, superintendent.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:03 - 1:43:03)
And

[Speaker 6] (1:43:03 - 1:43:04)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:43:04 - 1:43:04)
I think

[Speaker 6] (1:43:04 - 1:43:12)
I am going to say I am the one who's been asking, and I do have a difference of opinion on that fund.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:13 - 1:43:24)
That fund was set up so that we could expedite money coming from Nahant directly into the school budget so that it wouldn't have to go through a town meeting approval.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:26 - 1:43:29)
And the amount of money that was left in that account,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:29 - 1:43:33)
there was never a discussion about how much money should be in that account.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:33 - 1:43:36)
And when that money was set up in the account,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:36 - 1:43:39)
the amount that was left in was pretty minimal,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:40 - 1:43:42)
was actually zero the first year,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:42 - 1:43:43)
very minimal the next year.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:44 - 1:43:54)
I think year number three it was like 164 and then jumps to 574. So with all due respect, I just think that

[Speaker 6] (1:43:56 - 1:44:18)
Having a cushion account without having a direct conversation with the taxpayers and town meeting on how accounts are going to be set up and then going to the taxpayers and saying we're going to be leaving money in a account and then we're going to be taxing the unused levy, I think that that's a problem.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:18 - 1:44:20)
So I respect what you're saying,

[Speaker 6] (1:44:20 - 1:44:21)
I just.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:22 - 1:44:23)
have a difference opinion.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:25 - 1:44:31)
I do think that we did all agree in the tri-meeting that we had that this policy was a definite,

[Speaker 1] (1:44:32 - 1:44:35)
so I'm not sure if we committed to a time frame for that.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:36 - 1:44:37)
I just did.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:38 - 1:44:39)
I said

[Speaker 1] (1:44:39 - 1:44:40)
Did you say a time frame?

[Speaker 3] (1:44:40 - 1:44:43)
yeah I said in May or June we will meet as a tri as a tri committee

[Speaker 1] (1:44:43 - 1:44:43)
I didn't hear that.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:43 - 1:44:57)
no that's okay um but the tri chair just spoke about it this morning just to really make sure we had our I's dotted and our T's crossed which is now is not the time to talk about financial policy we are in the middle of the budget

[Speaker 3] (1:44:57 - 1:45:12)
And we need to move forward with a budget that the school can rely on, that the town can understand. And once we get through this process, we will commit to having the conversation both about our financial policies, because that's been sort of swirling around for a year now,

[Speaker 3] (1:45:12 - 1:45:18)
and this policy, and any other policy that the school or the town decides,

[Speaker 3] (1:45:18 - 1:45:19)
it doesn't have today and should.

[Speaker 7] (1:45:21 - 1:45:24)
I think it's important to note too that this year

[Speaker 7] (1:45:24 - 1:45:32)
We have put, we have made much more of a collaborative effort than I have ever seen the three boards,

[Speaker 7] (1:45:32 - 1:45:33)
the school committee,

[Speaker 7] (1:45:34 - 1:45:48)
the select board and the finance committee, multiple opportunities for open meetings together to talk about this very thing and a very collaborative transparent effort.

[Speaker 7] (1:45:49 - 1:45:51)
And if I'm not mistaken,

[Speaker 7] (1:45:51 - 1:45:58)
the School Department has answered 11 to 12 pages of questions surrounding this account,

[Speaker 7] (1:45:59 - 1:46:00)
surrounding its policies,

[Speaker 7] (1:46:01 - 1:46:02)
its philosophy on budgets.

[Speaker 7] (1:46:02 - 1:46:09)
And every question in between has been answered repeatedly by Cheryl Stella,

[Speaker 7] (1:46:09 - 1:46:12)
by Jason Kaliszman in full.

[Speaker 7] (1:46:14 - 1:46:40)
public settings where people have had numerous opportunities and the Finance Committee has done a really great job and asked a lot of questions that really made sense and it has been the first time in a long time in many years that I've seen such a collaborative effort and I'm disheartened that no matter what and no matter how many times we do that and we actually try to move forward collectively we still come back to this question as if

[Speaker 7] (1:46:41 - 1:46:45)
The school department is trying to do something nefarious, okay,

[Speaker 7] (1:46:45 - 1:46:51)
when it's a revolving account with a very basic concept of in and out movement of funds, right.

[Speaker 7] (1:46:52 - 1:46:54)
No matter what answer they give us,

[Speaker 7] (1:46:54 - 1:47:01)
they still will not get any recognition or credit from members of this board, and that is incredibly disheartening to me.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:02 - 1:47:05)
It's not that we shouldn't ask questions, we should, and we have,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:05 - 1:47:06)
ad nauseum.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:07 - 1:47:12)
But yet we still want to continue down this path. And I just find that really unfortunate,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:13 - 1:47:13)
you know.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:14 - 1:47:17)
So I thank you, Jason Kalishman. I thank you, Finance Committee,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:17 - 1:47:18)
Cheryl Stella,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:18 - 1:47:25)
who repeatedly is questioned and questioned and questioned and has done nothing but answer in the most professional,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:26 - 1:47:26)
appropriate ways,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:26 - 1:47:27)
through emails,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:27 - 1:47:30)
through memos, through public questions,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:30 - 1:47:31)
through private questions,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:31 - 1:47:32)
12 pages.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:33 - 1:47:35)
of questions about budgets.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:35 - 1:47:37)
So I don't know what else there is to say,

[Speaker 7] (1:47:38 - 1:47:41)
right. I I really don't, but I really do appreciate the effort.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:41 - 1:47:45)
Can you just say where those 12 pages where you can find those 12 pages?

[Speaker 7] (1:47:45 - 1:47:48)
You you're in receipt of them, Mary Ellen, because we've all seen them.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:48 - 1:47:52)
I don't so for you to claim that they don't exist or you haven't seen them, that's shocking

[Speaker 6] (1:47:52 - 1:47:53)
I have

[Speaker 7] (1:47:53 - 1:47:53)
to me.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:53 - 1:47:55)
not seen 12 pages, but I will go back and look again.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:56 - 1:48:01)
The Finance Committee has seen them, because they've drafted them, and they've asked them.

[Speaker 7] (1:48:01 - 1:48:03)
And Cheryl has responded to them,

[Speaker 7] (1:48:04 - 1:48:06)
right? When they told us this publicly, we knew that.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:06 - 1:48:07)
Each and every time.

[Speaker 7] (1:48:07 - 1:48:09)
Each and every time. But we're still gonna claim they don't exist.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:11 - 1:48:14)
So uh I was about to move on.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:14 - 1:48:17)
Well, le can I I won't let you yet.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:17 - 1:48:17)
That's fine.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:17 - 1:48:22)
And that's because I'm going to echo that I am very proud of the collaboration that we have accomplished this year.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:22 - 1:48:24)
And I think

[Speaker 3] (1:48:24 - 1:48:43)
We have really tried our best to have a fresh start with a new superintendent and a new town administrator and I am proud that we have come to the table multiple times in public session in an attempt to be very transparent and attempt to try to get out of this cycle of us versus them,

[Speaker 7] (1:48:43 - 1:48:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:43 - 1:48:45)
try to come to a place of understanding,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:45 - 1:48:46)
try to be very collaborative.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:47 - 1:48:49)
We are being very respectful,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:49 - 1:48:50)
I appreciate that.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:51 - 1:48:51)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:51 - 1:49:04)
I, I think it should, it's okay to have disagreement and it's okay for you not to agree with what the four of us are saying. And that doesn't mean you stop disagreeing, but what it does mean is that eventually we have to move on.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:04 - 1:49:09)
And I think that is sort of the position we're at. We will continue to be collaborative.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:14 - 1:49:21)
And I just feel like at some point we might go down that road again.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:21 - 1:49:26)
And I don't want to go down that road again. We agreed to a fresh start and that is what we are trying to do here.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:26 - 1:49:26)
So.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:27 - 1:49:28)
Now we can move on.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:28 - 1:49:29)
Now I can move on?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:29 - 1:49:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:29 - 1:49:36)
All right. So we d we do have discussion possible vote on the budget on the agenda, but the Finance Committee has not finished

[Speaker 1] (1:49:36 - 1:49:36)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:36 - 1:49:39)
its work, right? So we weren't really expecting to literally take a final vote

[Speaker 3] (1:49:39 - 1:49:40)
That is literally

[Speaker 1] (1:49:40 - 1:49:41)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:41 - 1:49:42)
on going to be here

[Speaker 2] (1:49:42 - 1:49:42)
Yep,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:42 - 1:49:42)
from

[Speaker 2] (1:49:42 - 1:49:43)
I understand for

[Speaker 3] (1:49:43 - 1:49:44)
now until town meeting.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:44 - 1:49:46)
the public's eye, from my knowledge, whatever,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:46 - 1:49:48)
I just wanted to be clear with the the expectation.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:48 - 1:49:52)
So we're not even really we have in front of us like the latest greatest.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:53 - 1:49:55)
You know, well we can't have it in the five year

[Speaker 3] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
You

[Speaker 2] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
period.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:55 - 1:50:02)
do have yeah, that that is where we are right now. I can comment I think we'll have certainly opinions, places that they would like to

[Speaker 3] (1:50:02 - 1:50:16)
make sure that we consider or make changes. So we're still waiting to get there. They were also waiting for this projection so that they would have it in fairness to them. So they've continued to meet, they've met with the schools, they've gone through the budget line by line with Patrick and I.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:16 - 1:50:19)
But this was a deliverable that they were looking for from us as well and

[Speaker 3] (1:50:20 - 1:50:23)
It was my delay in getting it to them because I wanted to share it here first.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:23 - 1:50:26)
I I suppose the only thing to to say though is

[Speaker 1] (1:50:27 - 1:50:28)
You said we were moving on though.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:29 - 1:50:30)
I'm just kidding.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:30 - 1:50:32)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:50:33 - 1:50:41)
where do we stand at the average tax bill impact of this? Are we st the n eight hundred?

[Speaker 3] (1:50:42 - 1:50:43)
Can you pull that back up?

[Speaker 4] (1:50:45 - 1:50:46)
Yeah, one second.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:47 - 1:50:49)
I think we did share that previously.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:50 - 1:50:51)
Yeah, I just I

[Speaker 6] (1:50:51 - 1:50:53)
This is different than what it was originally,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:53 - 1:50:56)
right? right. We've gone down once, but I don't I

[Speaker 2] (1:50:57 - 1:51:01)
don't know if that's where we're still at or if there's been other changes or

[Speaker 2] (1:51:10 - 1:51:21)
While Patrick's looking for it, Nick, are you aware or anyone else aware of anything that the Finance Committee has identified or is s uh of significantly pursuing that would alter the last thing that we saw?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:22 - 1:51:31)
I do not know of specifics. The last meeting that they had was last Thursday, so I was with you all. Um I think the last discussion that I was a part of there was uh

[Speaker 3] (1:51:32 - 1:51:53)
sort of broad agreement, but they didn't start that night of having a discussion among themselves about their priorities as opposed to having Patrick and I there two meetings in a row to get through the five hundred lines and then to have Jason and the team there at another meeting. So I think they're really getting into the meat of that just now and this will help inform that discussion so they can see where the levy sort of runs out or where there's opportunities, both on the revenue

[Speaker 6] (1:51:53 - 1:51:54)
That's

[Speaker 3] (1:51:54 - 1:51:54)
and expenditure

[Speaker 6] (1:51:54 - 1:51:54)
right.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:54 - 1:51:56)
side to make something work different.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:56 - 1:51:57)
I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:57 - 1:51:59)
He was making a joke. It's not that funny.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:04 - 1:52:07)
It's $670, Doug. $670 to the AFL.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:08 - 1:52:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:08 - 1:52:09)
six seventy six seventy

[Speaker 5] (1:52:09 - 1:52:10)
Yes, $670.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:52:10 - 1:52:11)
Sorry.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:11 - 1:52:13)
that is the average increase to

[Speaker 1] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
the taxpayer as

[Speaker 5] (1:52:13 - 1:52:14)
As it stands right now.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:14 - 1:52:15)
it stands right now

[Speaker 5] (1:52:15 - 1:52:15)
Correct.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:16 - 1:52:18)
And that does that include the CPA

[Speaker 5] (1:52:19 - 1:52:22)
If you include the CPA, it's $680.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:25 - 1:52:26)
680 he said.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:31 - 1:52:32)
The CPA only.

[Speaker 2] (1:52:32 - 1:52:33)
That's ten bucks?

[Speaker 6] (1:52:33 - 1:52:34)
Yeah, it's ten

[Speaker 5] (1:52:34 - 1:52:34)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:52:34 - 1:52:34)
dollars.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:34 - 1:52:36)
the change year over year. That's not...

[Speaker 3] (1:52:36 - 1:52:37)
It's already baked in.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:37 - 1:52:38)
It's already baked in.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:38 - 1:52:40)
It's already baked into the 670s, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:40 - 1:52:41)
This year we have the CPA.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:42 - 1:52:43)
Is that clear?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:43 - 1:52:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:44 - 1:52:44)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:44 - 1:52:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:44 - 1:52:45)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:47 - 1:52:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:48 - 1:52:51)
Is any additional discussion or can we move on to capital?

[Speaker 2] (1:52:52 - 1:52:52)
Move on.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:52 - 1:52:54)
Alright, let's move on.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:56 - 1:53:00)
So if you thought the last spreadsheet was bad to see online, you've seen nothing.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:01 - 1:53:03)
So let me pull this up right now.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:04 - 1:53:08)
What we have is the capital

[Speaker 3] (1:53:10 - 1:53:11)
improvement committee's prioritisation,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:12 - 1:53:15)
where they gave A, B and C, is what's problem?

[Speaker 5] (1:53:16 - 1:53:17)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:17 - 1:53:17)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:18 - 1:53:20)
There's some vocalisation happening in the hallway.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:20 - 1:53:20)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:20 - 1:53:21)
There's some I vocal

[Speaker 3] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21)
didn't.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:21 - 1:53:22)
warm-ups, so sorry.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:22 - 1:53:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:22 - 1:53:24)
We're a little distracted. Sounds great though.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:28 - 1:53:30)
So it's prioritized now?

[Speaker 3] (1:53:30 - 1:53:33)
We we included how they had um

[Speaker 1] (1:53:34 - 1:53:35)
There's a rank column.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:35 - 1:53:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:36 - 1:53:45)
so that first column which I mean it's sort of fifth or sixth in from the right but next to FY27 to the left of FY27 there's a ranking.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:47 - 1:53:54)
Um they took a look at it and they talked a little bit at FinCom last week if I could ask Patrick, I'm sorry with your voice, but if there's

[Speaker 3] (1:53:55 - 1:54:00)
If you could characterize the discussion there, I talked to Ryan a little bit, did you he came to discuss

[Speaker 3] (1:54:01 - 1:54:14)
CSE's uh effort to prioritise shared that with the finance committee but I think again as with this finance committee, we're looking to gather all the final information before they weighed in if I'm not mistaken. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I'm Yeah, hoping I

[Speaker 5] (1:54:14 - 1:54:26)
you're not mistaken. So Ryan Hill attended the finance committee meeting last Thursday. Uh they ran through the capital plan with the prioritisation that the capital improvement committee assigned to each project, which was

[Speaker 5] (1:54:27 - 1:54:27)
A,

[Speaker 5] (1:54:27 - 1:54:37)
B, or C which represents a must-do in their opinion, a strongly recommend, or a nice to d nice to have, could defer type project. Um so they ran through the

[Speaker 5] (1:54:38 - 1:54:50)
the list of projects with the prioritizations. A couple projects that um were topics of conversation were the renovations at 89 Pearl Street, just understanding scope timing better

[Speaker 5] (1:54:50 - 1:54:54)
um and the track proposal um

[Speaker 5] (1:54:55 - 1:54:58)
Those ones came up and that was a lot of our conversation.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:59 - 1:55:01)
So, where are we at with that?

[Speaker 7] (1:55:01 - 1:55:09)
In looking at this, the majority of these are either an A_ or a C_ Three of them are rated a B_ I am shocked

[Speaker 1] (1:55:09 - 1:55:10)
There's only the

[Speaker 7] (1:55:10 - 1:55:10)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:55:10 - 1:55:12)
one rated a C_

[Speaker 7] (1:55:12 - 1:55:14)
No. One of them is a C_ and

[Speaker 1] (1:55:14 - 1:55:15)
Yeah, there's only one.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:15 - 1:55:15)
it

[Speaker 2] (1:55:15 - 1:55:16)
Another hundred

[Speaker 7] (1:55:16 - 1:55:21)
and three of them are a B_ But the majority are A_s. So what kind of priority?

[Speaker 7] (1:55:22 - 1:55:24)
How are they determining priority?

[Speaker 7] (1:55:25 - 1:55:34)
Of what is driving the A's? So every single thing they have here is an A. What set of criteria are they utilizing to grade them that way?

[Speaker 3] (1:55:34 - 1:55:47)
So it was a deliberation at a CIC meeting where they each were sharing opinions. I know from a very basic standpoint what I recall was the idea that sort of life safety was something that they would immediately put as an A.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:48 - 1:55:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:48 - 1:55:54)
And they would interpret that and deliberate on each project individually. I don't know that there was a...

[Speaker 7] (1:55:55 - 1:55:57)
So why isn't every project graded something?

[Speaker 1] (1:55:57 - 1:55:59)
Because it's in the out years,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:59 - 1:56:00)
so

[Speaker 7] (1:56:00 - 1:56:00)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:00 - 1:56:00)
they only ranked

[Speaker 7] (1:56:00 - 1:56:00)
no.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:00 - 1:56:01)
fiscal year 27.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:01 - 1:56:06)
The branding wayfinding and demolition of Hawthorne has no rank at

[Speaker 2] (1:56:06 - 1:56:06)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (1:56:06 - 1:56:06)
all.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:06 - 1:56:07)
because there's no money

[Speaker 5] (1:56:07 - 1:56:07)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:56:07 - 1:56:07)
There's

[Speaker 2] (1:56:07 - 1:56:08)
in it.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:08 - 1:56:08)
all

[Speaker 1] (1:56:08 - 1:56:08)
no

[Speaker 5] (1:56:08 - 1:56:08)
money in the out

[Speaker 1] (1:56:08 - 1:56:08)
in fiscal

[Speaker 5] (1:56:08 - 1:56:08)
year 28.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:08 - 1:56:09)
year 27.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:09 - 1:56:09)
Because it's

[Speaker 2] (1:56:09 - 1:56:09)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (1:56:09 - 1:56:09)
an FY28?

[Speaker 2] (1:56:09 - 1:56:10)
28.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:10 - 1:56:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:10 - 1:56:12)
Yeah, and why are we still carrying the $2 million?

[Speaker 7] (1:56:12 - 1:56:13)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (1:56:13 - 1:56:14)
when it's not $2 million?

[Speaker 2] (1:56:15 - 1:56:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:15 - 1:56:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:15 - 1:56:16)
Well, let's

[Speaker 1] (1:56:16 - 1:56:16)
We'll we'll

[Speaker 7] (1:56:16 - 1:56:16)
go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:16 - 1:56:22)
fix that. But but I it looks like from what they did they took anything that's prioritized for 2027.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:22 - 1:56:23)
Nick, you can correct me if I'm

[Speaker 3] (1:56:23 - 1:56:23)
out No,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:23 - 1:56:23)
or tell me

[Speaker 3] (1:56:23 - 1:56:23)
that's to correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:23 - 1:56:24)
be quiet.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:24 - 1:56:28)
And then in 2027 they prioritized only 2027.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:28 - 1:56:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:28 - 1:56:44)
So I think it would it it's a sort of a silly pursuit for them to prioritize 28 or 29 because number one something more things could come on that sort of affect the scale. And number two if some of these things don't get done obviously they may reprioritize.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:43 - 1:56:48)
prioritize into a different year. So I think they

[Speaker 3] (1:56:48 - 1:56:51)
Also, town meeting only votes on twenty seven,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:51 - 1:56:51)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:51 - 1:56:53)
but the Right. appendix includes the rest.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:53 - 1:56:56)
So those are things that can float between years if necessary.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:57 - 1:57:03)
Right, but when we're looking at an overall picture for five years, we're looking at all of these things, right. So

[Speaker 3] (1:57:04 - 1:57:04)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:57:04 - 1:57:17)
I understand the process of ranking just those in the in the current fiscal year or the next fiscal year, but the importance of the other pieces in the following subsequent years will dictate our overall approach. So

[Speaker 3] (1:57:17 - 1:57:18)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:57:18 - 1:57:19)
I think that

[Speaker 7] (1:57:20 - 1:57:28)
I think the just my opinion the ranking system should just be in in for all of them, right? We should understand where our priorities are for all,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:29 - 1:57:29)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:57:29 - 1:57:29)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:29 - 1:57:34)
Maybe exclusively for this year in terms of what we wanna really accomplish.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:34 - 1:57:35)
But and

[Speaker 3] (1:57:35 - 1:57:36)
that's certainly sorry.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:36 - 1:57:40)
I'm really I'm irritated that

[Speaker 7] (1:57:41 - 1:57:47)
The demolition of Hawthorne is still showing two million when we talked about this a couple months ago and we pointed out that it wasn't right so I

[Speaker 3] (1:57:47 - 1:57:47)
would We

[Speaker 7] (1:57:47 - 1:57:49)
have at least expected that corrected by now

[Speaker 3] (1:57:50 - 1:57:51)
will correct that.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:51 - 1:57:53)
I apologize that's not updated.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:55 - 1:57:59)
I would just caution that the five-year capital plan is not everything we intend to do in five years.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:59 - 1:58:00)
No, but

[Speaker 3] (1:58:00 - 1:58:00)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:58:00 - 1:58:00)
we have

[Speaker 3] (1:58:00 - 1:58:00)
if

[Speaker 7] (1:58:00 - 1:58:01)
to utilize

[Speaker 3] (1:58:01 - 1:58:01)
I hold

[Speaker 7] (1:58:01 - 1:58:01)
something,

[Speaker 3] (1:58:01 - 1:58:01)
hold

[Speaker 7] (1:58:01 - 1:58:02)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:58:02 - 1:58:06)
but I'm just saying there are large projects like the school.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:06 - 1:58:16)
There's many things that we would put in years four and five because they need to be socialized in the community so that people understand they are out there and they are coming even if they stay in year four or five for two.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:17 - 1:58:21)
three town meetings and they're in the appendix and aren't really they're not progressing because

[Speaker 7] (1:58:21 - 1:58:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:22 - 1:58:46)
we all to your point exactly people need to recognize that if we're talking about a hundred million dollar project that it exists whether or not we know the year it's coming we have to that for all the same reasons that you all wanted to make sure we put a projection together that was reasonably targeted and went out at least five years when you get when you're talking about a capital plan years four and five are really about socializing big projects three

[Speaker 3] (1:58:47 - 1:59:03)
Is almost aspirational one is real and two is a little more real but still not set in stone So I just want to make sure that we're looking at it So I don't know that prioritizing something that's in your five makes a ton of sense because we're trying to give information to you all into the town

[Speaker 5] (1:59:03 - 1:59:03)
Sure

[Speaker 3] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04)
meeting members

[Speaker 1] (1:59:07 - 1:59:07)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:07 - 1:59:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:08 - 1:59:08)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:08 - 1:59:09)
I mean, in the Borl Street,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:09 - 1:59:13)
89 Borl Street just has a question mark for rank. So I don't know what that means.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:13 - 1:59:15)
That says needs more information to classify.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:15 - 1:59:24)
So there must be outstanding questions there that CIC did not have at the time of ranking in order to clearly ascertain where it should fall.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:24 - 1:59:28)
And it's likely questions related to the timing of.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:29 - 1:59:29)
Its

[Speaker 4] (1:59:29 - 1:59:36)
uh veterans crossings and therefore determining if that money has to be spent in 27 or if that money could be pushed to 28 based on

[Speaker 1] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
It is

[Speaker 4] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
this cycle.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:36 - 1:59:52)
largely influenced by that and also the fact that, you know, Max Marzy and others at Town Hall have been trying to run down information so that we can put together a plan and with that plan a cost for what that build-out should look like for the users.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:52 - 1:59:56)
And so since I started we've met with them a few times in the last.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:57 - 2:00:03)
Four weeks, five weeks, we probably made more progress in that we got a group of them together,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:03 - 2:00:05)
the leadership of the different groups,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:05 - 2:00:09)
to be in the room and say, you know, these are the types of uses and needs we think we'll have here,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:09 - 2:00:12)
and we still need to get more information from them to be able to move,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:13 - 2:00:14)
I think it was last year's.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:14 - 2:00:28)
amended capital spending that that has design money waiting for us so that we can move to design and get a real cost and understand if I think it's 600 and here is accurate and also to Katie's point which fiscal year needs to be spent in.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:28 - 2:00:31)
Okay, well, I appreciate the efforts to move that forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
And

[Speaker 3] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:32 - 2:00:41)
and and also I just think it's in I just think it's important to note that while this is going to be six hundred thousand dollars potentially in in in twenty seven,

[Speaker 6] (2:00:41 - 2:00:43)
There's also a source of funds for this.

[Speaker 3] (2:00:43 - 2:00:43)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:00:43 - 2:00:57)
So once the project once the project is completed in there and and B'nai B'rith is in receipt of a C.O., there's a rent payment in the to the tune of about one point six million dollars that's coming into the town. So I just think that it's it's important that we're

[Speaker 6] (2:00:58 - 2:01:11)
that that we as a board made a decision to relocate the VFW to the to 89 Borough Street with the explicit promise that that building was going to be that we were going to take

[Speaker 6] (2:01:12 - 2:01:16)
those funds and make it and improve that building.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:16 - 2:01:17)
That's what we did.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:17 - 2:01:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:17 - 2:01:18)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:18 - 2:01:23)
So I just want to make sure that that, you know, because that's going to outlive the next few weeks,

[Speaker 6] (2:01:23 - 2:01:28)
that's going to outlive the next few months and probably the next few years.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:28 - 2:01:34)
So I just want to reflect that to the public that we, you know, we did make a promise, we made a commitment,

[Speaker 6] (2:01:35 - 2:01:37)
and we also have a source of funds.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:38 - 2:01:43)
any investment would be temporary until those and and you know it's really just a cash flow.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:43 - 2:01:50)
Which is something I should talk about on the warrant because we there's a fund that we're supposed to be creating for that But anyway, we'll come back to that

[Speaker 3] (2:01:50 - 2:01:51)
Marcy's also applying for,

[Speaker 3] (2:01:52 - 2:01:56)
she's looking to be a to apply for funding for

[Speaker 4] (2:01:56 - 2:01:56)
Grant opportunity.

[Speaker 3] (2:01:56 - 2:02:05)
grant opportunities. Well, there's special funding for you know, refurbishing buildings to be more handicap accessible.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:06 - 2:02:09)
She feels pretty confident we're gonna be able to get money for that.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:09 - 2:02:16)
So can I go a little macro and work backward just for a second? So the seven million basically is what we have lined up for this year, right?

[Speaker 7] (2:02:17 - 2:02:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:17 - 2:02:23)
Um and that's that's a n normal debt load we take on each year.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:24 - 2:02:27)
Yeah, that's comparable to what we've been doing, yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:27 - 2:02:29)
But why missing the track?

[Speaker 4] (2:02:30 - 2:02:31)
No, it's on the first page.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:31 - 2:02:32)
It's on the first page.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:32 - 2:02:33)
It's the only thing that's ranked C,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:33 - 2:02:35)
which is a nice-to-have that defer.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:35 - 2:02:36)
Let's see.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:36 - 2:02:36)
I don't know, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:36 - 2:02:37)
Okay, all right.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:37 - 2:02:38)
No, there's a couple of

[Speaker 1] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
We'll

[Speaker 3] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
C's.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:38 - 2:02:39)
get you your track, Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:39 - 2:02:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:39 - 2:02:40)
just a second.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:40 - 2:02:40)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:40 - 2:02:42)
we're gonna stay on track, we're good.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:42 - 2:02:43)
I'm sorry about this.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:44 - 2:02:46)
A little bit to Danielle's point,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:48)
I feel like we've

[Speaker 1] (2:02:49 - 2:02:51)
got an option here,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:51 - 2:02:51)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:02:52 - 2:02:54)
We have now two other committees.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:55 - 2:02:59)
That, according to public reports, if I wasn't there for the meeting,

[Speaker 5] (2:02:59 - 2:03:06)
there was a robust discussion between the Finance Committee and the Chair of the Capital Improvement Committee about this.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:06 - 2:03:12)
And I think the Finance Committee had some pointed questions about some of these things,

[Speaker 5] (2:03:12 - 2:03:20)
and I expect that there will be more discussion on this amongst the Finance Committee tomorrow night.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:20 - 2:03:20)
Did you say that meeting?

[Speaker 4] (2:03:20 - 2:03:21)
Yes, tomorrow night.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:23 - 2:03:25)
So, you

[Speaker 5] (2:03:27 - 2:03:33)
know, we can sit here and kind of go through each one of these if we want, um or,

[Speaker 5] (2:03:33 - 2:03:34)
you

[Speaker 5] (2:03:37 - 2:03:46)
know, is there anything Patrick or Nick that you know of from those discussions or if anyone else was at that meeting that i is a major question mark?

[Speaker 1] (2:03:47 - 2:04:12)
I mean I have a little bit of a just a confusion about the paving because my last understanding was that actually there was money left over from last year to do most or all of Atlantic Avenue which is what's kind of pointed out here so I'm not really sure what happened to that or if that didn't turn out to be true or what

[Speaker 5] (2:04:13 - 2:04:15)
That's the question I have.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:16 - 2:04:21)
I don't have the answer. I'd have to ask Gino if it's something that happened last week. Patrick has the answer.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:21 - 2:04:33)
I can, well I can just jump in. From my memory last town meeting we did not authorize the normal level of funding for paving because we had a backlog of projects and authorizations that would fund those projects.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:34 - 2:04:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:34 - 2:04:37)
So this is more in line with our normal kind of cadence

[Speaker 1] (2:04:37 - 2:04:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:37 - 2:04:42)
of paving funding this year and Geno paves based on the pavement management.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:43 - 2:05:00)
plan the analysis that I think beta group did several years ago to assess the condition of the roads. So he's going off that off that list in terms of how projects are prioritized and also looking at when utility work is going to be finished because you don't want to pave a road and then rip it all back up again to do utilities. So

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
That all

[Speaker 7] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:02)
generally

[Speaker 7] (2:05:02 - 2:05:02)
logically,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:02 - 2:05:02)
sounds good.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:02 - 2:05:02)
yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:02 - 2:05:05)
If it didn't say Atlantic Avenue in here,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:06 - 2:05:07)
I wouldn't have a question,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:07 - 2:05:09)
but I had a specific conversation with him.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:09 - 2:05:13)
that led me to believe that that was actually already funded.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:13 - 2:05:18)
I had a specific conversation with him too and this is the data I got from him, so I can go back and just get

[Speaker 5] (2:05:18 - 2:05:19)
Maybe things evolved.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:19 - 2:05:20)
clarification.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:21 - 2:05:22)
Alright. And

[Speaker 4] (2:05:22 - 2:05:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:05:22 - 2:05:22)
then

[Speaker 4] (2:05:22 - 2:05:24)
sorry, go ahead, finish your

[Speaker 5] (2:05:26 - 2:05:28)
No, I've I'll relax.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:28 - 2:05:29)
Okay, I guess

[Speaker 4] (2:05:31 - 2:05:36)
For me, I just want to make sure if we could help clarify any of these question marks in this conversation,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:36 - 2:05:37)
I think we just gave a little bit more.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:37 - 2:05:41)
I don't think we have clarity on the timing of the veterans contribution.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:42 - 2:05:43)
We have a clear,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:43 - 2:05:45)
I think, to David's point,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:45 - 2:05:47)
this is a cash

[Speaker 5] (2:05:47 - 2:05:48)
flow

[Speaker 4] (2:05:48 - 2:05:49)
flow problem,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:49 - 2:05:49)
thank you,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:49 - 2:05:54)
that this is money we're going to put up front and then get back.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:54 - 2:05:56)
This is an investment we all agreed to make in our veterans.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:58 - 2:06:05)
And we need to get all the parties to the table a little bit faster maybe.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:05 - 2:06:07)
I don't know, I'm not, this is not a criticism to you,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:07 - 2:06:12)
but this is just in general so that we could make sure that we're going to be in aligned with timing.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:13 - 2:06:16)
Because if we get down to the end of things and the timing is off,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:16 - 2:06:19)
it won't be the veteran's fault.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:19 - 2:06:23)
It will be our fault and we just really need to try to make haste so that they understand the timing.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:24 - 2:06:26)
So if we are deferred in any way, they understand the.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:26 - 2:06:28)
and the consequences of that deferment

[Speaker 1] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:28 - 2:06:39)
um which could be them without a home for a period of time if we can't all get to the table make decisions have a feasibility study done understand the costs get it approved by town meeting and get things rolling yeah

[Speaker 5] (2:06:39 - 2:06:40)
I think to that point it's reasonable,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:41 - 2:06:46)
you know, whatever the number is here, that we have a number in here, because I think we're going to have to spend before we get the money,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:46 - 2:06:46)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:06:46 - 2:06:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:46 - 2:06:48)
Because correct they're going to be getting moved out,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:48 - 2:06:49)
you know, before.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:49 - 2:06:52)
I think everyone would benefit from us underlining that it's money that will

[Speaker 1] (2:06:52 - 2:06:54)
that will be, for all intents and purposes, reimbursed,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:54 - 2:06:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:55 - 2:06:55)
at the

[Speaker 3] (2:06:55 - 2:06:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:55 - 2:06:56)
point of the C_O_ So

[Speaker 4] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
that it's

[Speaker 4] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:56 - 2:07:01)
not borrowing over a longer term. It's borrowing to make sure we can make it happen.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01)
And

[Speaker 7] (2:07:01 - 2:07:01)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:01 - 2:07:07)
won't we have three hundred thousand available to us out of the affordable housing trust that's already been allocated to this project?

[Speaker 4] (2:07:08 - 2:07:10)
I think there has to be clarity on how we can spend that

[Speaker 3] (2:07:10 - 2:07:11)
That

[Speaker 4] (2:07:11 - 2:07:11)
three

[Speaker 3] (2:07:11 - 2:07:11)
was,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:11 - 2:07:11)
or that thousand

[Speaker 3] (2:07:11 - 2:07:11)
was

[Speaker 4] (2:07:11 - 2:07:11)
dollars.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:11 - 2:07:12)
my understanding.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:12 - 2:07:12)
I Not will.

[Speaker 5] (2:07:12 - 2:07:13)
on this project.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:14 - 2:07:14)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:07:14 - 2:07:15)
That has to go to the housing.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:15 - 2:07:17)
That's where I I think they go to

[Speaker 4] (2:07:17 - 2:07:18)
Yes. It's not going to

[Speaker 6] (2:07:18 - 2:07:19)
89 Burroughs Street.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:19 - 2:07:22)
it's not going to Binet directly, but it will, it is yes,

[Speaker 5] (2:07:22 - 2:07:23)
I mean it's in the

[Speaker 4] (2:07:23 - 2:07:23)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:07:23 - 2:07:23)
housing

[Speaker 4] (2:07:23 - 2:07:23)
power.

[Speaker 5] (2:07:23 - 2:07:24)
part.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:24 - 2:07:29)
It's in the housing part and not in the reallocation or improvement of a building which is used for rehousing.

[Speaker 3] (2:07:29 - 2:07:31)
So couldn't we

[Speaker 8] (2:07:32 - 2:07:33)
We could

[Speaker 4] (2:07:33 - 2:07:33)
That's right.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:33 - 2:07:34)
at

[Speaker 4] (2:07:34 - 2:07:34)
Sorry.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:34 - 2:07:38)
town meeting get funding out of our capital stabilization.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:39 - 2:07:41)
This is just a thought. We could get,

[Speaker 8] (2:07:41 - 2:07:45)
we could do a cash, just a cash flow issue,

[Speaker 8] (2:07:45 - 2:07:47)
taking something out of capital stabilization,

[Speaker 8] (2:07:47 - 2:07:49)
depending on where it leaves us within our percentages,

[Speaker 8] (2:07:50 - 2:07:54)
and then reimburse capital stabilization when we get income coming in.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:55 - 2:07:56)
That wouldn't affect.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:57 - 2:08:02)
anything tax-wise or debt-wise I'm

[Speaker 5] (2:08:02 - 2:08:03)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:03 - 2:08:06)
Because this, I mean this is just a plan, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:08:06 - 2:08:08)
That's different than ultimately,

[Speaker 5] (2:08:08 - 2:08:10)
I don't know,

[Speaker 5] (2:08:10 - 2:08:11)
technicalities,

[Speaker 8] (2:08:11 - 2:08:11)
just saying if

[Speaker 5] (2:08:11 - 2:08:11)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:08:11 - 2:08:21)
we have to if we have to have a vote if we need to do something at town meeting to just have a vote to allow us to use those fundings that

[Speaker 8] (2:08:21 - 2:08:26)
By using that funding, it wouldn't it wouldn't affect anything on the debt service.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:26 - 2:08:31)
It wouldn't slow anything up. All you're doing is you're just relieving you're just helping your cash flow.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
Just taking a little

[Speaker 1] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
Could

[Speaker 8] (2:08:35 - 2:08:36)
loan.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:36 - 2:08:40)
we take the next week to look into that and actually talk to you about it next week in more detail?

[Speaker 1] (2:08:40 - 2:08:46)
That way it's a little less hypothetical and we can see what hurdles there might be other than drafting

[Speaker 8] (2:08:46 - 2:08:46)
But I

[Speaker 1] (2:08:46 - 2:08:46)
an

[Speaker 8] (2:08:46 - 2:08:47)
understand

[Speaker 1] (2:08:47 - 2:08:47)
article.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:47 - 2:08:47)
that.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:48 - 2:08:48)
Yes, I would.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:49 - 2:08:49)
Does that work?

[Speaker 8] (2:08:50 - 2:08:57)
Yeah, it work definitely works for me. It's just it's an idea to look at that. I think that might work. But I I'm a little concerned about the track.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:58 - 2:08:58)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
I mean they're ranked

[Speaker 2] (2:09:05 - 2:09:06)
Anything?

[Speaker 1] (2:09:06 - 2:09:12)
have a track right now. Is is there a possibility we can use C_P_A_ funds because a track is a recreational

[Speaker 2] (2:09:13 - 2:09:15)
We have spent C_P_A_ funds more times

[Speaker 3] (2:09:15 - 2:09:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:15 - 2:09:16)
than

[Speaker 2] (2:09:16 - 2:09:25)
As a solute, I mean, you this might be a great idea, but I am ju I just want to caution everybody it's first of all the CPA Doug maybe you were gonna say this so

[Speaker 4] (2:09:26 - 2:09:30)
The short run the answer is no. Um you can't really spend much of anything in the short run.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:31 - 2:09:34)
Um it's not really until like next year's town meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:35 - 2:09:35)
Correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:35 - 2:09:36)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:36 - 2:09:36)
Next

[Speaker 4] (2:09:36 - 2:09:36)
It's like

[Speaker 1] (2:09:36 - 2:09:36)
year's

[Speaker 4] (2:09:36 - 2:09:36)
next

[Speaker 1] (2:09:36 - 2:09:37)
town meeting? That's

[Speaker 2] (2:09:37 - 2:09:37)
Next year

[Speaker 4] (2:09:37 - 2:09:37)
year's

[Speaker 2] (2:09:37 - 2:09:37)
it is

[Speaker 4] (2:09:37 - 2:09:37)
town.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:37 - 2:09:38)
a town meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:38 - 2:09:54)
They would really be spending there's gonna be some things we'll talk about here, there's the allocations set aside, whatever. I've been frustrated about this, but the C_P_A_ masters say this is the way it has to be. Um maybe maybe maybe you could do something in December I I I don't know, but right now, no.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:55 - 2:09:55)
Um

[Speaker 2] (2:09:56 - 2:09:57)
Also, we don't control the CPA

[Speaker 4] (2:09:57 - 2:09:57)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:57 - 2:09:58)
funding. There's

[Speaker 4] (2:09:58 - 2:09:58)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:09:58 - 2:09:59)
a con there's a committee

[Speaker 4] (2:09:59 - 2:09:59)
Can I

[Speaker 2] (2:09:59 - 2:09:59)
created.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:59 - 2:10:00)
but no, but we can make recommendations.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:00 - 2:10:08)
just say m they are they basically have their their own budget that they receive applications for projects both from the town from

[Speaker 2] (2:10:08 - 2:10:09)
In right.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:09 - 2:10:21)
nonprofits from whoever wants to make an improvement on the housing historic preservation and recreation they make all of those decisions and the sort of end of the input from this board was the

[Speaker 6] (2:10:21 - 2:10:22)
Approval of the board itself.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:22 - 2:10:23)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:23 - 2:10:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:24 - 2:10:24)
That's it. That's where it ends.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:24 - 2:10:25)
And our nominee.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:25 - 2:10:26)
Well, we could

[Speaker 6] (2:10:26 - 2:10:26)
put Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:26 - 2:10:27)
in an application.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:27 - 2:10:28)
Correct,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:28 - 2:10:28)
we We

[Speaker 6] (2:10:28 - 2:10:28)
can put

[Speaker 2] (2:10:28 - 2:10:28)
can't.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:28 - 2:10:29)
in applications.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:29 - 2:10:29)
We can't.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:29 - 2:10:30)
Well, I it

[Speaker 4] (2:10:30 - 2:10:30)
There's

[Speaker 1] (2:10:30 - 2:10:31)
still brings me back to

[Speaker 4] (2:10:31 - 2:10:33)
there's a really important fact,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:33 - 2:10:35)
I think factoid, that I'd love to confirm.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:35 - 2:10:41)
Somewhere it floated that there was significant revenue offset on the track.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:41 - 2:10:42)
What?

[Speaker 4] (2:10:42 - 2:10:43)
Am I

[Speaker 1] (2:10:43 - 2:10:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:43 - 2:10:43)
hallucinating

[Speaker 1] (2:10:43 - 2:10:44)
just like the football field.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:44 - 2:10:45)
about this?

[Speaker 6] (2:10:46 - 2:10:46)
Probably.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:46 - 2:10:46)
None.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:46 - 2:10:47)
There's No, none.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:47 - 2:10:47)
I don't think.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:47 - 2:10:48)
There's none.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:48 - 2:10:49)
I did not hear

[Speaker 2] (2:10:49 - 2:10:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:49 - 2:10:49)
that.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:50 - 2:10:50)
I don't think so.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:50 - 2:10:59)
Well so what what is the plan then for this track? I mean if if C_I_C_ is saying it's a C_ I don't know how it's a C_

[Speaker 4] (2:10:59 - 2:10:59)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:59 - 2:11:00)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:11:00 - 2:11:00)
It's

[Speaker 1] (2:11:00 - 2:11:00)
plan

[Speaker 4] (2:11:00 - 2:11:00)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:11:00 - 2:11:00)
apparently

[Speaker 1] (2:11:00 - 2:11:14)
is to let it to let it continue to deteriorate into the state of disrepair that we've let three elementary schools continue to deteriorate and why they got to the point they got to because we insist on kicking the can down the road down the road down the

[Speaker 1] (2:11:14 - 2:11:28)
down the road, as if it's not important because you know it's used solely for one or two track meets, as if the people in this town that just wanna walk around it don't use it. Of course they do. And we we actually had people come and speak about this at a meeting,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:28 - 2:11:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:29 - 2:11:41)
and we all actually sat here and said, you know we really wanted C_I_C_ to to look closely at it. And they turn around and they give one of what, two C_s on this whole list of things and one of them is to that track.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:41 - 2:11:41)
Track.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:41 - 2:11:42)
There's three minutes.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
Oh, there's a

[Speaker 1] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
Patrick,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:42 - 2:11:43)
hand.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:43 - 2:11:45)
did they give any reasons for it? Was there a

[Speaker 8] (2:11:46 - 2:11:53)
Yes. So for the projects that are rated C, they the main thing they considered was how much of the population might be served by the asset.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:54 - 2:11:54)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:54 - 2:11:55)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:11:55 - 2:11:58)
Which is insanity to me because it's no offense to school department,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:58 - 2:11:59)
It's not

[Speaker 1] (2:11:59 - 2:11:59)
but

[Speaker 8] (2:11:59 - 2:11:59)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:59 - 2:11:59)
personal

[Speaker 1] (2:11:59 - 2:11:59)
if I take

[Speaker 2] (2:11:59 - 2:12:00)
offense,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:00 - 2:12:02)
a look and see the staff device refresh,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:02 - 2:12:07)
who does that serve? For $100,000 that serves just your staff at the school,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:07 - 2:12:08)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:12:08 - 2:12:18)
Do you want to talk about how limited that is compared to a track that the entire public can use as well as kids that pay fees to actually participate in sports here,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:18 - 2:12:19)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:12:19 - 2:12:19)
So we're...

[Speaker 1] (2:12:20 - 2:12:23)
Where does that, how does that make sense? It doesn't to me, but.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:23 - 2:12:27)
So let me further discuss that.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:27 - 2:12:29)
So just to jump on your piggyback on your point,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:30 - 2:12:30)
Danielle,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:30 - 2:12:34)
the sewer main rehabilitation right here,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:34 - 2:12:38)
three and a half million dollars in this upcoming fiscal year,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:38 - 2:12:40)
we've already spent eight figures.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:42 - 2:12:42)
Right? I

[Speaker 4] (2:12:42 - 2:12:43)
I don't

[Speaker 6] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
I don't I

[Speaker 4] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
don't I

[Speaker 1] (2:12:43 - 2:12:44)
that's sewer enterprise.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:45 - 2:12:47)
Oh, no, under under understood.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:47 - 2:12:48)
I an I understand It's a grant.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:48 - 2:12:49)
that's a whole different

[Speaker 6] (2:12:49 - 2:12:49)
It's it's

[Speaker 4] (2:12:49 - 2:12:50)
There's no interest loan.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:50 - 2:12:50)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:12:50 - 2:12:51)
No interest

[Speaker 6] (2:12:51 - 2:12:51)
but

[Speaker 4] (2:12:51 - 2:12:51)
loan.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:51 - 2:12:54)
it it hasn't been not not not all the time not every time.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:54 - 2:12:55)
It's not

[Speaker 4] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:55 - 2:12:56)
It will be this time though.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:56 - 2:12:57)
It's a whole

[Speaker 6] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
But but

[Speaker 1] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
but I'm saying

[Speaker 1] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
a whole different

[Speaker 6] (2:12:58 - 2:13:05)
but I'm saying previously it's still it's this it's the same it's a it's a different pocket from the same pair of pants. We're all we're all paying for it.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:05 - 2:13:09)
My point is we spent we spent eight figures.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:10 - 2:13:14)
And there was an email that was sent out by a fincom,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:14 - 2:13:17)
the vice chairman of the finance committee,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:17 - 2:13:39)
Eric Schneider, just looking to the point where the town has spent over $3 million fixing over 500 private sewer laterals in town. So we have 15,000 residents and we have 500 people, 3% approximately, that benefited from the private sewer laterals being addressed. I mean, that's...

[Speaker 6] (2:13:40 - 2:13:53)
You know to me it looks like if you know if there's three million dollars there I mean we could have spent another million dollars on a track we could have we could have spent money doing doing other things we could have spent money fixing our pipes and it's my understanding mr.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:53 - 2:13:59)
town administrator that we continue to spend public dollars on private

[Speaker 6] (2:14:00 - 2:14:01)
laterals

[Speaker 4] (2:14:01 - 2:14:07)
Yep, and as the details that I've been able to get in it's been spotty as you are aware

[Speaker 9] (2:14:08 - 2:14:14)
The p the work for IDDE has talked about making those improvements going back to twenty seventeen.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:15 - 2:14:26)
In public meetings it's been discussed that that was part of the effort that would be done because it was a part of the IDDE work. It is not something that only occurred in the last near term.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:26 - 2:14:31)
It's been you know appropriated as a capital project multiple times.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:31 - 2:14:34)
DPW director and others have spoken to it.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:34 - 2:14:48)
publicly a number of times, but it's absolutely something that it would be great to look for opportunities with something like a betterment assessment, if we're doing prospectively in the future to make sure that we are capturing those costs as the improvements are made.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:48 - 2:14:54)
I I think as a tax payer, as a rate payer, I think we should try to see if there's anything that we can do to recoup.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:55 - 2:15:15)
uh all or a portion of those funds uh for the rate payers and tax payers of the town of Swampscott. I think it's important that we you know we we brought in the county we brought in the superintendent uh and uh the the administrator uh you know the uh the finance the the finance uh person Cheryl

[Speaker 1] (2:15:15 - 2:15:15)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:15:15 - 2:15:15)
Herrick

[Speaker 1] (2:15:15 - 2:15:16)
would like to make Stella a suggestion.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:16 - 2:15:21)
um you know and had them answer a litany of questions had two separate meetings

[Speaker 6] (2:15:21 - 2:15:25)
for, you know, a uh for an M_O_U_ around a utility.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:25 - 2:15:26)
Two hundred thousand dollars.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:26 - 2:15:35)
Two hundred thousand dollars. This is three million dollars. Um that's been ongoing. Uh and we just have spotty information. I don't believe this was ever

[Speaker 6] (2:15:36 - 2:15:41)
This was ever approved or authorized by the select board or by town meeting.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:41 - 2:15:55)
And this is an enormous amount of money and this is a problem that continues to be ongoing where we're spending public dollars fixing private sewer laterals. I understand that we're trying to fix a problem here,

[Speaker 6] (2:15:55 - 2:15:58)
but there has to be something that's done.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:58 - 2:15:59)
There has to be some accountability.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:59 - 2:16:00)
So at our next meeting,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:00 - 2:16:04)
I would like to have a conversation to figure out what happened.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:04 - 2:16:07)
What continues to happen and how we can address this moving forward,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:08 - 2:16:12)
because I don't want to see our funds being spent

[Speaker 6] (2:16:13 - 2:16:19)
addressing something that is the really the responsibility of each individual homeowner in town.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:20 - 2:16:22)
We're setting a dangerous precedent.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:22 - 2:16:23)
We've already paid

[Speaker 2] (2:16:23 - 2:16:23)
We've

[Speaker 6] (2:16:23 - 2:16:23)
for 500

[Speaker 2] (2:16:23 - 2:16:24)
already, I

[Speaker 6] (2:16:24 - 2:16:24)
private

[Speaker 2] (2:16:24 - 2:16:24)
mean.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:24 - 2:16:28)
sewer laterals. What about,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:28 - 2:16:32)
you know, what happens with the other 14,500 residents of town?

[Speaker 2] (2:16:33 - 2:16:34)
Well, I

[Speaker 4] (2:16:34 - 2:16:34)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:16:34 - 2:16:34)
would say,

[Speaker 4] (2:16:34 - 2:16:36)
we have a proposed bylaw on the warrant.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:36 - 2:16:36)
yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:37 - 2:16:37)
What?

[Speaker 4] (2:16:37 - 2:16:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:38 - 2:16:42)
I mean, I would say for, there's the history and then there's the future,

[Speaker 2] (2:16:42 - 2:16:42)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:16:43 - 2:16:48)
So we had a lateral bylaw come before us last year, which for whatever reason,

[Speaker 2] (2:16:48 - 2:16:55)
for a sort of a bunch of errors ended up not being on the warrant last year.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:55 - 2:16:56)
It was rescinded from the warrant.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:57 - 2:16:59)
It is going on the warrant now.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:59 - 2:17:01)
It will be when we open the warrant, you'll see.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:02 - 2:17:05)
It has already been vetted by council. It's been vetted by the water sewer infrastructure committee.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:06 - 2:17:06)
And I'm

[Speaker 9] (2:17:06 - 2:17:08)
It's with Council after water

[Speaker 2] (2:17:08 - 2:17:08)
sorry.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:08 - 2:17:09)
sewer infrastructure for

[Speaker 2] (2:17:09 - 2:17:09)
Great.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:09 - 2:17:10)
it,

[Speaker 9] (2:17:10 - 2:17:10)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:11 - 2:17:17)
And it is something that at the time last year we all supported to go forward

[Speaker 4] (2:17:17 - 2:17:17)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:17:17 - 2:17:17)
with.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:17 - 2:17:17)
did.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:17 - 2:17:25)
But for the reasons related to council and some typographical errors and how it was distributed,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:25 - 2:17:27)
it was chosen to be take off the warrant.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:27 - 2:17:29)
This is how we're fixing it in the future.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:30 - 2:17:36)
I mean, I agree with you that it would have been great if there was a more clear written policy,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:36 - 2:17:37)
okay?

[Speaker 2] (2:17:37 - 2:17:39)
This is a sort of a Achilles heel,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:39 - 2:17:42)
if you will, for what we've been going through.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:42 - 2:17:57)
And part of growing in this process is figuring out where the policies are lacking and putting proper standard operating procedures in place so that we are not coming to these conversations continually and that we are limiting these conversations going forward.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:58 - 2:17:59)
And I don't disagree,

[Speaker 2] (2:17:59 - 2:18:03)
like, I don't know legally if you can recoup those dollars.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:03 - 2:18:08)
So we'd have to reach out to counsel and see what can be done.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:08 - 2:18:09)
But to your point,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:09 - 2:18:12)
I don't agree that...

[Speaker 2] (2:18:13 - 2:18:22)
The DPW director went forth, or anybody went forth, without clear authorization to spend the money as it was related to IDDE work.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:22 - 2:18:28)
It was disclosed that we were doing it in public meetings since 2017,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:28 - 2:18:28)
you said,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:29 - 2:18:30)
that we were doing it.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:30 - 2:18:38)
And when we voted on it, whether it was us or our predecessors, there was awareness that it was done within that work that Gino was putting forward as IDDE work.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:39 - 2:18:40)
I mean I'm not I

[Speaker 4] (2:18:40 - 2:18:41)
think I was aware there was three million dollars actually,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:41 - 2:18:41)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:41 - 2:18:54)
so tribute to Eric Schneider if that's really what the total is for it. So it's a great great point. And I think that circles back, I think your o overall point was that we could spend that for something like

[Speaker 2] (2:18:56 - 2:18:56)
500.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:56 - 2:18:57)
it 500

[Speaker 3] (2:18:57 - 2:18:57)
500.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:57 - 2:18:57)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:18:57 - 2:19:00)
I think we probably have 500 people that use the track is

[Speaker 2] (2:19:00 - 2:19:01)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
that

[Speaker 3] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:01 - 2:19:02)
really where the start right

[Speaker 4] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
so

[Speaker 4] (2:19:02 - 2:19:03)
We should

[Speaker 1] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
can

[Speaker 4] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
bring it back.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:03 - 2:19:08)
we just like go to the is that okay if we get get back on track so

[Speaker 2] (2:19:08 - 2:19:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:08 - 2:19:15)
so I think I think the sentiment I'm hearing is that we disagree with the ranking being a C

[Speaker 5] (2:19:15 - 2:19:16)
Yep,

[Speaker 5] (2:19:16 - 2:19:16)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:19:16 - 2:19:16)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (2:19:16 - 2:19:17)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:17 - 2:19:17)
and

[Speaker 6] (2:19:17 - 2:19:17)
we do.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:17 - 2:19:33)
the the sense of the board I don't know if it's a unanimous sense, but the sense of the board is that this is this is a high priority. I mean maybe it doesn't qualify as a a must do under the criteria of the capital improvement committee, but um there's a sense here that that should be a much higher priority.

[Speaker 7] (2:19:33 - 2:19:37)
I have one question for the superintendent who is here. What is your athletic fee?

[Speaker 8] (2:19:38 - 2:19:38)
Four fifty at the high school.

[Speaker 7] (2:19:39 - 2:19:43)
4.50, and how many children run outdoor track? Do you have any idea?

[Speaker 9] (2:19:43 - 2:19:43)
Um

[Speaker 7] (2:19:44 - 2:19:50)
I, someone quoted it at the last meeting, that how much revenue is actually brought into the school department by people that run on this track.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:50 - 2:19:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:19:51 - 2:20:03)
And I think that's an important distinction that we have parents paying four hundred and fifty dollars per runner that participate in track and cannot actually run because we are choosing to grade this as a C.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:03 - 2:20:04)
The kids can get hurt.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:05 - 2:20:06)
In addition It's to the

[Speaker 12] (2:20:06 - 2:20:06)
a tax.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:06 - 2:20:07)
fact that it's a liability.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:08 - 2:20:10)
Yep. And middle school, I think it's 100.

[Speaker 13] (2:20:11 - 2:20:13)
I'm tending that the middle school render's over 100, I'm not sure what that point.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:13 - 2:20:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:14 - 2:20:17)
I'm just wondering what the what the plan I'm just wondering, you know

[Speaker 13] (2:20:17 - 2:20:17)
Hundred

[Speaker 7] (2:20:17 - 2:20:18)
what's

[Speaker 13] (2:20:18 - 2:20:19)
point four.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:19 - 2:20:19)
Hundred dollars?

[Speaker 7] (2:20:19 - 2:20:23)
what the plan is for C_I_C_ because this these are people that do think things through.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:23 - 2:20:24)
It's just Oh, it's the same.

[Speaker 13] (2:20:24 - 2:20:24)
No.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:24 - 2:20:25)
No.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:25 - 2:20:26)
The fee is not th Sorry, Mariel.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:26 - 2:20:26)
Isn't

[Speaker 7] (2:20:26 - 2:20:27)
No.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:27 - 2:20:27)
it the same?

[Speaker 14] (2:20:27 - 2:20:31)
The no, the fee isn't the same at the middle school and the high school. The high school fee is $450.

[Speaker 14] (2:20:32 - 2:20:34)
Middle school fee is $2.75, I believe.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:34 - 2:20:35)
That just

[Speaker 1] (2:20:35 - 2:20:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:35 - 2:20:36)
shows that David didn't pay his way.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:36 - 2:20:39)
$2.75, no I did just pay. It went it went up.

[Speaker 14] (2:20:39 - 2:20:40)
I will say just for the record,

[Speaker 14] (2:20:40 - 2:20:42)
they're all going up all over the place, athletic

[Speaker 12] (2:20:42 - 2:20:42)
Of

[Speaker 14] (2:20:42 - 2:20:42)
fees.

[Speaker 12] (2:20:42 - 2:20:42)
course.

[Speaker 14] (2:20:42 - 2:20:45)
I mean Beverly Hockey's going to be $1,000 next year. This is...

[Speaker 7] (2:20:45 - 2:20:46)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:46 - 2:20:47)
But to my point

[Speaker 1] (2:20:47 - 2:20:48)
I know this

[Speaker 7] (2:20:48 - 2:20:50)
of this is what people are paying to use this track, the people

[Speaker 12] (2:20:50 - 2:20:51)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:51 - 2:20:56)
that we're saying not enough people run on to replace, it doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:56 - 2:20:59)
is right, this is what I was referencing right number earlier. I I think

[Speaker 12] (2:20:59 - 2:20:59)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:59 - 2:21:02)
there was a number floated, something like there's seventy five thousand dollars or something that

[Speaker 7] (2:21:02 - 2:21:03)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:03 - 2:21:05)
comes in in fees that somehow are associated

[Speaker 7] (2:21:05 - 2:21:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:05 - 2:21:06)
with this track.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:06 - 2:21:07)
So um

[Speaker 12] (2:21:07 - 2:21:07)
Mr.

[Speaker 12] (2:21:07 - 2:21:08)
Colella, the runner,

[Speaker 7] (2:21:08 - 2:21:08)
Yes,

[Speaker 12] (2:21:08 - 2:21:09)
as I can,

[Speaker 7] (2:21:09 - 2:21:09)
Mrs.

[Speaker 12] (2:21:09 - 2:21:09)
was the runner.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:09 - 2:21:10)
Colella, who even spoke,

[Speaker 12] (2:21:10 - 2:21:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:11 - 2:21:12)
with that figure.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:12 - 2:21:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:13 - 2:21:13)
Was

[Speaker 12] (2:21:13 - 2:21:15)
it? Mary Ellen, you were saying I'm apologies for the interruption.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:16 - 2:21:25)
I just I just usually they have a you know there's a thought process but there's nothing here it just says the million dollars to see it doesn't put it anywhere else I just think that you

[Speaker 12] (2:21:25 - 2:21:26)
All-inclusive

[Speaker 7] (2:21:26 - 2:21:26)
know we

[Speaker 12] (2:21:26 - 2:21:26)
prices they

[Speaker 7] (2:21:26 - 2:21:35)
just need to get more information on what they're thinking about I mean I don't know are they thinking about that it's not going to be a million dollars that that maybe um

[Speaker 7] (2:21:35 - 2:21:37)
It can be a repair, I

[Speaker 12] (2:21:37 - 2:21:38)
And we talked

[Speaker 7] (2:21:38 - 2:21:38)
It cannot

[Speaker 12] (2:21:38 - 2:21:38)
about

[Speaker 7] (2:21:38 - 2:21:38)
be that a

[Speaker 12] (2:21:38 - 2:21:39)
last.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:39 - 2:21:39)
tax confirmed and

[Speaker 15] (2:21:39 - 2:21:39)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:39 - 2:21:40)
it cannot be a repair.

[Speaker 12] (2:21:40 - 2:21:41)
Yes,

[Speaker 7] (2:21:41 - 2:21:41)
It cannot

[Speaker 12] (2:21:41 - 2:21:41)
we don't

[Speaker 7] (2:21:41 - 2:21:41)
be a

[Speaker 12] (2:21:41 - 2:21:42)
make the

[Speaker 7] (2:21:42 - 2:21:42)
non

[Speaker 1] (2:21:42 - 2:21:50)
We spoke to that at the at the meeting with the CIC as well that repair was not an option at this point.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:50 - 2:21:59)
Right, so I think if we could just find that out, and I'm just going to say, you know, one concern that I have is I still see vehicles coming up here and

[Speaker 7] (2:22:00 - 2:22:06)
Nothing personal Max, but I don't I don't understand why the facility director needs a car.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:06 - 2:22:17)
Um we're a town of three less than three miles and you know there's we could pay a subsidy I think it's fifty one cents a mile

[Speaker 13] (2:22:17 - 2:22:18)
It's a lot more than that.

[Speaker 16] (2:22:18 - 2:22:19)
I think it's seventy.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:19 - 2:22:19)
Seventy

[Speaker 17] (2:22:19 - 2:22:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 13] (2:22:19 - 2:22:19)
five.

[Speaker 17] (2:22:19 - 2:22:20)
I think it's seventy

[Speaker 7] (2:22:20 - 2:22:20)
Seventy

[Speaker 17] (2:22:20 - 2:22:20)
five.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:20 - 2:22:21)
five. Oh really? Seventy five.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:21 - 2:22:21)
Probably

[Speaker 7] (2:22:21 - 2:22:21)
So

[Speaker 13] (2:22:21 - 2:22:22)
going to up.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:22 - 2:22:26)
it could cost us a dollar a day if Max has to leave.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:27 - 2:22:35)
you know, his office and go to another building. I just think we need to think about these things. And you have a you have a vehicle, you have a vehicle for

[Speaker 7] (2:22:36 - 2:22:37)
the Fire Chief.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:37 - 2:22:38)
Uh

[Speaker 7] (2:22:39 - 2:22:56)
you know, I know the Fire Chief's vehicle actually only has seventy two thousand miles on it according to what you told me, Nick, um why we need to spend close to another hundred thousand dollars on that. These are these are things that I think that we have other we have really

[Speaker 7] (2:22:56 - 2:22:58)
Tough priorities and things that we need.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:59 - 2:23:02)
And I don't think these are, these are priorities.

[Speaker 13] (2:23:02 - 2:23:12)
I will just say that the reason those came in and I'm not judging the quality of whether they should stay is that we've generally down cycled vehicles for other use.

[Speaker 13] (2:23:12 - 2:23:19)
And I know like Max and Gina were both at the, as I understand at the tail end, definitely Gina's, I'm not even sure what you're driving.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:19 - 2:23:28)
of a vehicle that's gone through one or two other departments already, and it cannot it like doesn't really run well anymore, and it's at the point that we're now spending more money to maintain.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:28 - 2:23:33)
When in the case of the fire department, the deputy chief um and fire prevention,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:33 - 2:23:44)
that vehicle is falling apart. And so this is something where they would be down cycling, and I realize I we've had discussions in the past. I just want to highlight we're not trunking a vehicle that's still running with seventy two thousand miles,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:44 - 2:23:47)
we're trunking the vehicle the vehicle that's twenty years old.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:47 - 2:23:49)
and is no longer, uh,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:50 - 2:23:51)
you know, something that we can maintain.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:51 - 2:24:04)
Right, but I'm also saying like, do we really need all these vehicles? I mean, I think that in the past we needed these vehicles, but I think that at some point we gotta say, you know what? We really need these vehicles on, you know, in a seven day work week.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:05 - 2:24:08)
Is that or why doesn't it fall into the nice-to-have category?

[Speaker 18] (2:24:08 - 2:24:09)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:09 - 2:24:10)
Do you know what I'm saying? Like what is the sense

[Speaker 18] (2:24:10 - 2:24:11)
Why?

[Speaker 7] (2:24:11 - 2:24:14)
of a ranking system if we're ranking everything a must-do A?

[Speaker 7] (2:24:14 - 2:24:22)
Like that doesn't, not when we're in the situation we're in, that doesn't, I feel like the Capital Improvement Committee is not hearing us.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:22 - 2:24:26)
I feel like they're not understanding the severity of what we're doing,

[Speaker 7] (2:24:26 - 2:24:27)
town,

[Speaker 7] (2:24:27 - 2:24:27)
school,

[Speaker 7] (2:24:28 - 2:24:30)
every other department trying to figure this out.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:30 - 2:24:39)
Like I I feel like we keep saying the same things over and over about this plan and no one is listening. And that is it's really frustrating me.

[Speaker 12] (2:24:40 - 2:24:40)
Mm.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:40 - 2:24:48)
You know another another question I have is on all this student device refresh that has there been consideration on people buying their own devices?

[Speaker 7] (2:24:51 - 2:24:53)
Other than people that can't afford them.

[Speaker 14] (2:24:53 - 2:24:53)
Well,

[Speaker 12] (2:24:53 - 2:24:54)
Well, it's an

[Speaker 14] (2:24:54 - 2:24:54)
it

[Speaker 12] (2:24:54 - 2:24:54)
equity

[Speaker 14] (2:24:54 - 2:24:54)
becomes

[Speaker 12] (2:24:54 - 2:24:54)
issue.

[Speaker 14] (2:24:54 - 2:24:55)
an equity issue,

[Speaker 14] (2:24:55 - 2:25:00)
it really does, and it becomes an issue as far as like, oh, I was thinking you were saying bring your own devices, sorry.

[Speaker 14] (2:25:01 - 2:25:10)
That becomes a issue as far as like if kids bring their own devices, then we can't help troubleshoot the issues that they have and we can't keep them off certain websites,

[Speaker 12] (2:25:10 - 2:25:10)
And regulate.

[Speaker 14] (2:25:10 - 2:25:11)
say it that way.

[Speaker 14] (2:25:12 - 2:25:15)
And as far as the device paying for them, it becomes an equity issue.

[Speaker 14] (2:25:16 - 2:25:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:17 - 2:25:28)
So, you know, just like when you go to school and there's textbooks, you know what textbook you have to buy, you can't say when you start in the whatever grade it is,

[Speaker 7] (2:25:28 - 2:25:36)
this is the this is the device you need to have. Just like the calculators, you know, you have calculators you have to buy coming into the school.

[Speaker 14] (2:25:37 - 2:25:42)
Yeah, I mean we've certainly discussed it. I think that there was a lot of debate over the years about this and um

[Speaker 14] (2:25:44 - 2:25:47)
And we're really thankful that the devices have been provided,

[Speaker 14] (2:25:47 - 2:26:03)
um that they've been put on capital and approved before. And we're obviously hoping that's the case, um because the equity issue. That's the best I can say. Ms. Macchi knows is in here right now, so she could probably speak to the specific of why it's important as far as the devices go um a little bit better than I could,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:03 - 2:26:03)
You

[Speaker 14] (2:26:03 - 2:26:03)
but

[Speaker 7] (2:26:03 - 2:26:05)
require someone to have a five hundred dollar laptop,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:05 - 2:26:06)
and I can't buy my kid a

[Speaker 14] (2:26:06 - 2:26:06)
it's

[Speaker 7] (2:26:06 - 2:26:06)
five hundred

[Speaker 14] (2:26:06 - 2:26:07)
different,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:07 - 2:26:07)
dollar

[Speaker 14] (2:26:07 - 2:26:07)
exactly.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:07 - 2:26:08)
laptop, what do I do?

[Speaker 7] (2:26:09 - 2:26:10)
No, I think

[Speaker 14] (2:26:10 - 2:26:10)
You

[Speaker 7] (2:26:10 - 2:26:10)
that

[Speaker 14] (2:26:10 - 2:26:11)
understand the equity piece,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:11 - 2:26:11)
we're talking

[Speaker 14] (2:26:11 - 2:26:11)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:11 - 2:26:11)
about

[Speaker 14] (2:26:11 - 2:26:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:12 - 2:26:23)
no, but I I I think that you know there I think that that that pers that population should be subsidized, but I think there's also very large population that

[Speaker 14] (2:26:23 - 2:26:23)
Could pay.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:23 - 2:26:24)
could pick up

[Speaker 1] (2:26:28 - 2:26:30)
So can we go back to the vehicles for a second?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:35 - 2:26:43)
I'm going to push it, Nick, a little bit, and maybe it's just to make sure you're definitive.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:44 - 2:26:54)
In your estimation, both the Facilities Director and DPDW Electric Vehicles are must-do this year.

[Speaker 19] (2:26:55 - 2:26:59)
I did not rank order them into must-do and not. I included them in the plan as

[Speaker 1] (2:26:59 - 2:27:00)
I know you

[Speaker 19] (2:27:00 - 2:27:00)
presented.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:00 - 2:27:02)
didn't put the A,

[Speaker 19] (2:27:02 - 2:27:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:02 - 2:27:03)
so now I'm asking you.

[Speaker 19] (2:27:04 - 2:27:13)
I I included it in the plan as something that we would like to do this year. This is a proposal, it is not the end all be all, this is the recommendation that was made.

[Speaker 19] (2:27:13 - 2:27:16)
And I'm more than happy to take feedback from you, Finn Conroy.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:16 - 2:27:23)
Well we don't have the now I I'm asking you I'm sincerely asking I'm not saying I have an opinion because I really don't know I haven't gone inspected the car or whatever it's

[Speaker 19] (2:27:23 - 2:27:24)
I also

[Speaker 1] (2:27:24 - 2:27:27)
it's a little awkward with Max sitting here so I'm trying to pretend Max isn't

[Speaker 12] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
Close

[Speaker 1] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
sitting

[Speaker 12] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
your

[Speaker 1] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
right

[Speaker 12] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
eyes.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:27 - 2:27:36)
next to me but I just want to be just get to you know I don't want us to just keep floating ideas and like not really clear what the end result is.

[Speaker 13] (2:27:37 - 2:27:37)
So

[Speaker 19] (2:27:37 - 2:27:52)
I also did not inspect the vehicle myself, but I rely on the department heads when they put in a request like that that it is something that is, you know, of need this year. Both of these things have been on the plan for multiple years as well. This

[Speaker 13] (2:27:52 - 2:27:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 19] (2:27:52 - 2:27:53)
is not the first year.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:55 - 2:28:06)
I think the overall the overall question is do we really need this vehicle? That's I think that's you know finally going back and thinking about things because it's just I think it's the same thing that we do constantly.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:07 - 2:28:10)
Is this something that we really need?

[Speaker 12] (2:28:10 - 2:28:11)
Well,

[Speaker 13] (2:28:11 - 2:28:11)
Can

[Speaker 12] (2:28:11 - 2:28:15)
can we simply take a look at Max's vehicle,

[Speaker 12] (2:28:15 - 2:28:20)
see how many miles on it and multiply it by 0.7 cents and determine whether this is a good investment or not?

[Speaker 12] (2:28:20 - 2:28:24)
Because if we aren't paying him for that, if the mileage is on the vehicle,

[Speaker 12] (2:28:25 - 2:28:28)
that's money we didn't, we saved not paying Max to use his own vehicle.

[Speaker 12] (2:28:30 - 2:28:33)
So, I mean, wouldn't that tell us if this is a good or investment

[Speaker 7] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
I'm not,

[Speaker 12] (2:28:33 - 2:28:34)
for the next ten years?

[Speaker 7] (2:28:34 - 2:28:42)
yeah, I'm not, I'm, I'm talking ab I'm actually talking in general terms as far as really looking and really identifying do we actually need these vi do we actually need

[Speaker 12] (2:28:42 - 2:28:49)
I know, but I'm saying the only way we can determine need is based on usage. So I would think we would look at the usage and determine is

[Speaker 1] (2:28:52 - 2:28:54)
So that's based on mileage.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:54 - 2:28:54)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:54 - 2:28:55)
That's what a vehicle does.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:55 - 2:29:03)
So look at the mileage and see how much mileage has been used and we'll determine how he's had that he or another department head has had vehicle for X number of years.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:03 - 2:29:10)
It's gone X number of miles. So the investment is either a new vehicle or this number of miles times whatever the return

[Speaker 3] (2:29:10 - 2:29:11)
is. I would.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:11 - 2:29:15)
I would also just, in the case of specifically DPW and facilities,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:15 - 2:29:23)
a personal vehicle might not be appropriate for them to be using, transporting, doing whatever it is that they may be using the vehicle for.

[Speaker 5] (2:29:25 - 2:29:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:25 - 2:29:25)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:29:25 - 2:29:26)
Right, because

[Speaker 1] (2:29:26 - 2:29:26)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:29:26 - 2:29:26)
the other

[Speaker 4] (2:29:26 - 2:29:26)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:29:26 - 2:29:26)
option

[Speaker 4] (2:29:26 - 2:29:27)
facilities

[Speaker 6] (2:29:27 - 2:29:27)
here

[Speaker 4] (2:29:27 - 2:29:27)
director

[Speaker 6] (2:29:27 - 2:29:27)
is

[Speaker 4] (2:29:27 - 2:29:33)
that has a generator in his trunk when it's his personal vehicle is something completely different than using

[Speaker 1] (2:29:33 - 2:29:33)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:33 - 2:29:37)
a new or down cycle vehicle that is town owned and

[Speaker 4] (2:29:38 - 2:29:42)
you know, it's not wear and tear that I think is reasonable in the in these two cases.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:43 - 2:29:48)
Because they do you know if I was saying every department head should have one that's a completely different argument,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:48 - 2:29:49)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:49 - 2:29:58)
you know, and in town hall there are the two pool vehicles that there's actually probably demand if we were to get everyone using it outside of

[Speaker 4] (2:29:59 - 2:30:17)
the building commissioner there would probably be demand for a third and that's something that we can certainly look on over time to say a future but in these cases specifically like their uses is they would have things in their vehicle that a person may not want in their their personal vehicle to be completely honest whereas health

[Speaker 4] (2:30:18 - 2:30:22)
Myself, like we can jump in one of these pool of vehicles that are at town hall

[Speaker 7] (2:30:22 - 2:30:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:22 - 2:30:23)
if we needed to Wait, use

[Speaker 7] (2:30:23 - 2:30:25)
health? Health has a vehicle?

[Speaker 4] (2:30:25 - 2:30:26)
No no no, they u he uses

[Speaker 8] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26)
A pool,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26)
a

[Speaker 7] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26)
pool.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:26 - 2:30:27)
he uses

[Speaker 8] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27)
he has a the pool

[Speaker 7] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27)
pool vehicles.

[Speaker 8] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27)
vehicle.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:27 - 2:30:29)
He uses the pool vehicle, the fleet pool,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:29 - 2:30:30)
whatever you want to call it.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:30 - 2:30:31)
You almost lost me there.

[Speaker 9] (2:30:31 - 2:30:33)
Okay. You like a feel your

[Speaker 7] (2:30:33 - 2:30:34)
I feel like I'm back in the cell

[Speaker 1] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
For

[Speaker 7] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
phone

[Speaker 1] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
inspection.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:34 - 2:30:35)
debate from last year

[Speaker 4] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:30:35 - 2:30:36)
no, where

[Speaker 1] (2:30:36 - 2:30:36)
Well

[Speaker 7] (2:30:36 - 2:30:36)
everybody's

[Speaker 4] (2:30:36 - 2:30:36)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:30:36 - 2:30:37)
for inspection.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:37 - 2:30:37)
got a cell phone.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:37 - 2:30:43)
it's for infection. I'm ju I'm just saying like building uses it almost all the time and I know that there's some demand from others, so.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:44 - 2:30:50)
In these cases are separate and apart than the building commissioner going to do his or something like that. But here's what I asked you to be very specific. Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (2:30:50 - 2:30:56)
I asked you just go back around one more time Yep. over the next week and come back with a clear,

[Speaker 9] (2:30:56 - 2:31:02)
obvious, ideally like two bullet point, this is why we must buy these two vehicles this year.

[Speaker 9] (2:31:03 - 2:31:06)
Because they must have a town vehicle that transports X,

[Speaker 9] (2:31:06 - 2:31:17)
Y, and Z and it therefore it has to be a $50,000 electric vehicle, not a $25,000 electric vehicle and it's most cost effective to do that just so we're clear. I will,

[Speaker 9] (2:31:17 - 2:31:18)
thank you.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:18 - 2:31:23)
And please utilize the need to have, want, or must have, right,

[Speaker 7] (2:31:23 - 2:31:25)
with that thought process in mind,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:25 - 2:31:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:25 - 2:31:31)
because that, I don't think people are understanding the severity of what is want versus need, right?

[Speaker 7] (2:31:32 - 2:31:33)
And we,

[Speaker 7] (2:31:33 - 2:31:36)
and I love leaving it to department heads to decide,

[Speaker 7] (2:31:36 - 2:31:38)
but I'm tasking you.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:38 - 2:31:39)
I hear you.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:39 - 2:31:40)
Well, I think the.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:40 - 2:31:43)
Just because, you know, the ranking was done by C_I_C_ right?

[Speaker 4] (2:31:43 - 2:31:43)
Oh yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:31:43 - 2:31:43)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:43 - 2:31:45)
okay. Everyone understands that, I think.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:45 - 2:31:45)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:45 - 2:31:45)
They're

[Speaker 1] (2:31:45 - 2:31:45)
okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:31:45 - 2:31:47)
asking Sorry. for I think both of you are asking for something different.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:47 - 2:31:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:47 - 2:31:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:47 - 2:31:48)
Okay, alright.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:48 - 2:31:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:48 - 2:31:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:51 - 2:31:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:31:52 - 2:31:54)
District security improvements.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:55 - 2:31:56)
Can't ask about that.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:57 - 2:31:58)
Which is that?

[Speaker 9] (2:31:58 - 2:31:59)
I can't ask.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:59 - 2:31:59)
Secret.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:59 - 2:32:00)
Secure.

[Speaker 9] (2:32:03 - 2:32:06)
Okay. Um

[Speaker 9] (2:32:08 - 2:32:15)
So I guess um I'll I'll direct the same type of question to G_ uh schools, right? District security,

[Speaker 9] (2:32:16 - 2:32:17)
improvements?

[Speaker 4] (2:32:17 - 2:32:17)
Where's that?

[Speaker 7] (2:32:17 - 2:32:18)
Where's that?

[Speaker 9] (2:32:18 - 2:32:20)
Uh just going down that same page,

[Speaker 4] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
Facilities?

[Speaker 9] (2:32:20 - 2:32:22)
page two. Facilities

[Speaker 4] (2:32:22 - 2:32:23)
Facilities, steel

[Speaker 9] (2:32:23 - 2:32:23)
and steel

[Speaker 4] (2:32:23 - 2:32:23)
buildings.

[Speaker 9] (2:32:23 - 2:32:23)
buildings, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:23 - 2:32:24)
Oh, it's facilities.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:25 - 2:32:26)
Oh, school buildings there.

[Speaker 9] (2:32:27 - 2:32:32)
You know, as as succinctly as as you wish. Um

[Speaker 9] (2:32:33 - 2:32:42)
You know, I know this is CICs. I imagine it comes from you all in terms of the must-do, but can you give us an example of why it's a must-do this year?

[Speaker 10] (2:32:43 - 2:32:43)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (2:32:45 - 2:32:51)
So the district security upgrades is a number of like.

[Speaker 10] (2:32:52 - 2:33:17)
security projects most of them are the high school i think the best example um is the duress buttons so the duress buttons um the elementary school in the middle school have a duress button system that would be that is pushed at certain locations in the building to alert uh authorities as directly and quickly as possible in the case of a uh

[Speaker 10] (2:33:17 - 2:33:20)
a likely shooting event at a school.

[Speaker 10] (2:33:21 - 2:33:36)
There's not that type of system here at the high school. So one of the projects that is part of this is to install duress buttons at the high school so that they, we also have those buttons in place at the high school.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:36 - 2:33:37)
That's an A plus.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:38 - 2:33:39)
to be honest.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:39 - 2:33:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:39 - 2:33:42)
Like, I mean, I I d I we we did I

[Speaker 9] (2:33:42 - 2:33:43)
You were joking before,

[Speaker 1] (2:33:43 - 2:33:44)
I I

[Speaker 9] (2:33:44 - 2:33:44)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:33:44 - 2:33:47)
wasn't joking. I was being facetious 'cause I really didn't wanna go down this road. But

[Speaker 9] (2:33:47 - 2:33:48)
Oh you knew what it was.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:48 - 2:34:02)
well it says really, it says S_H_S_ Derespa and S_H_S_ uh intrusion alarm security system. And it's a similar project to what we did at the middle school, right? Like, well, we did we made certain upgrades at the middle school to allow for us to be able to do this going forward, right?

[Speaker 10] (2:34:03 - 2:34:04)
Yeah, well,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:04 - 2:34:05)
like the duress button,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:05 - 2:34:15)
for example, we were able to do at the middle school because it actually integrates with the fire alarm system and it actually communicates out with the fire alarm system.

[Speaker 10] (2:34:16 - 2:34:17)
And then at the elementary school,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:17 - 2:34:21)
it's even more intensely integrated across systems.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:22 - 2:34:26)
I think I stepped in it one year and asked this question and come to find out,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:26 - 2:34:28)
I mean, I just feel like.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:29 - 2:34:29)
This

[Speaker 9] (2:34:29 - 2:34:29)
I'm convinced.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:29 - 2:34:31)
is not just,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:31 - 2:34:38)
this obviously does not just protect our students, it obviously also protects our staff and is a paramount of importance,

[Speaker 9] (2:34:38 - 2:34:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:38 - 2:34:38)
so.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:38 - 2:34:41)
And what about the envelope improvements at the high school?

[Speaker 10] (2:34:42 - 2:34:43)
Envelop improvements at the high school?

[Speaker 7] (2:34:43 - 2:34:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:34:45 - 2:34:46)
That is, so the envelope,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:46 - 2:34:48)
you know, generally roof,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:48 - 2:34:50)
facade, windows,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:50 - 2:34:53)
that specific project is mostly targeting,

[Speaker 10] (2:34:54 - 2:34:56)
there's a, it's called the EFIS system.

[Speaker 10] (2:34:56 - 2:35:01)
You actually can't see it in most of the places that you look at the building.

[Speaker 10] (2:35:01 - 2:35:02)
It kind of looks like a stucco.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:02 - 2:35:02)
Mm

[Speaker 10] (2:35:02 - 2:35:02)
It's

[Speaker 7] (2:35:02 - 2:35:03)
-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:35:03 - 2:35:09)
in a number of the areas on the building that are like up on the roof, but like.

[Speaker 10] (2:35:10 - 2:35:22)
Vertical sections, you know, some large sections that that we've had inspected and we have some failures and we have a project to uh to do a significant repair so we don't have intrusion over time.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:23 - 2:35:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:35:23 - 2:35:30)
Uh there's a couple other like smaller projects that we're considering with the envelope uh but that's the biggest one and I think the best example.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:30 - 2:35:30)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (2:35:31 - 2:35:36)
While we're on it, high school flooring. Flooring looks great up there. But 250k more? For what?

[Speaker 10] (2:35:37 - 2:35:43)
Yet the high school flooring project. So at this point we've done the lobby We did the hall heading out there.

[Speaker 10] (2:35:43 - 2:35:51)
We did the hall that leads to this room The project as proposed is to

[Speaker 10] (2:35:51 - 2:35:56)
Do the rest of the vinyl sheet flooring in the building replaced with LVT.

[Speaker 10] (2:35:56 - 2:35:59)
LVT is the product that we have in the lobby in here.

[Speaker 10] (2:35:59 - 2:36:05)
Here there's a number of areas of the building like the halls on the second and third floor,

[Speaker 10] (2:36:05 - 2:36:06)
the floor right in front of you.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:07 - 2:36:12)
That's a VCT that is in very good shape. It's waxed over over the years.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:12 - 2:36:14)
The sheet product has failures at a lot of the seams.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:14 - 2:36:20)
You would have noticed it in the atrium over time that you know we repaired cafeteria has a lot of seam issues.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:20 - 2:36:33)
team issues. We've done a lot of patching. Um so you know this is a pretty firm number. We have a we have quotes. Uh it's just to replace the rest of the uh vinyl sheet material with L_V_T_ in those very specific locations.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:34 - 2:36:37)
And they can't wait. Like it's not something that we can put off two years, three years.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
It's

[Speaker 7] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
They

[Speaker 9] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
actually

[Speaker 7] (2:36:37 - 2:36:38)
have a to be.

[Speaker 9] (2:36:38 - 2:36:39)
B_ this is one that is a B_

[Speaker 7] (2:36:39 - 2:36:40)
That's a B_

[Speaker 9] (2:36:40 - 2:36:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:40 - 2:36:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:40 - 2:36:42)
Yeah, I I couldn't sit here and tell you it couldn't wait.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:42 - 2:36:43)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:36:43 - 2:36:46)
I mean it's a good project. We're ready to do it but

[Speaker 7] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:47 - 2:36:47)
You know, it's

[Speaker 10] (2:36:47 - 2:36:47)
Maybe they'd

[Speaker 7] (2:36:47 - 2:36:47)
like,

[Speaker 10] (2:36:47 - 2:36:48)
guarantee you some of the others.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:48 - 2:36:52)
if you don't do these things then people tell you that you don't maintain your buildings,

[Speaker 10] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:36:52 - 2:36:53)
right.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
I mean,

[Speaker 7] (2:36:53 - 2:36:59)
but if you do do these things you're spending too much money, right? So it's like catch-22, really.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:01 - 2:37:02)
Thank you, man.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:06 - 2:37:07)
Yeah, but I think just to Doug's point,

[Speaker 1] (2:37:08 - 2:37:12)
we asked the town administrator to go through and make sure that all of these.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:13 - 2:37:18)
Based on this, I think based on the CIC rankings are appropriate based on our understanding of them.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:18 - 2:37:36)
So we would ask the superintendent and the facilities director to do the same and just ensure based on the severity of the situation that we are really ensuring that what we are putting forth to capital is really

[Speaker 1] (2:37:39 - 2:37:41)
As vetted as the Nahant revolving account.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
How about that?

[Speaker 7] (2:37:42 - 2:37:45)
And what is the possibility of getting someone,

[Speaker 7] (2:37:45 - 2:38:04)
like, a local business or someone who's graduated from the schools to pick up the fee on the track or, I don't know about renaming the track, but...

[Speaker 7] (2:38:05 - 2:38:08)
I mean I have we looked at that?

[Speaker 4] (2:38:08 - 2:38:10)
I would like to have that conversation.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:10 - 2:38:11)
Yes, somebody

[Speaker 4] (2:38:11 - 2:38:20)
I am waiting to connect with at least one potential outlet to help defray the cost. If you have any other individuals or citizens,

[Speaker 7] (2:38:20 - 2:38:22)
Are you offering Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 7] (2:38:22 - 2:38:24)
Not today. You want it to be the Mary Ellen Fletcher track?

[Speaker 4] (2:38:25 - 2:38:30)
if there's anyone you'd like us to reach out to, I think both Jason and I would be happy to figure out the

[Speaker 7] (2:38:30 - 2:38:31)
The Katy Phelan track?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:32 - 2:38:34)
Don't look at me. I got to put my kids through college, okay?

[Speaker 7] (2:38:34 - 2:38:40)
But I don't know that do do we have to do we have to consider the the naming like naming rights and things like that? I mean

[Speaker 9] (2:38:40 - 2:38:40)
We

[Speaker 7] (2:38:40 - 2:38:40)
it.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:41 - 2:38:41)
We do have a

[Speaker 7] (2:38:41 - 2:38:42)
point. Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:43 - 2:38:44)
We we would. Uh I mean

[Speaker 4] (2:38:53 - 2:38:53)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:53 - 2:38:58)
about New Balance because I know they did some work in Gloucester. Um

[Speaker 2] (2:38:59 - 2:39:01)
and then I talked to somebody at Puma.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:01 - 2:39:04)
I I I just kinda went down the circuit there. Um

[Speaker 2] (2:39:04 - 2:39:05)
Unfortunately,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:05 - 2:39:11)
well it's not even, it's not even like towns like Swampscott, they're not feeling so sorry for us that

[Speaker 5] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:11 - 2:39:12)
they're gonna

[Speaker 5] (2:39:12 - 2:39:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:12 - 2:39:18)
fund a new track. But I think it's worth looking into other ones. And that was of me going online and filling out a little form. It's not like I

[Speaker 2] (2:39:19 - 2:39:24)
not called their offices or anything, so I I think that, and then Max had another thing that happened.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:24 - 2:39:38)
Yeah, we did also apply for a um a grant through institution for savings. It's one of the banks in Finland Square that just has a programme where they fund projects like this. They've done it in some other communities um but we didn't get it.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:39 - 2:39:48)
I'll also say to Mary Ellen to your point, um one of the things that I wanna continue to do is like sort of lean on alumni, get that alumni network going. It would just not

[Speaker 2] (2:39:48 - 2:39:49)
Quite there yet.

[Speaker 7] (2:39:50 - 2:39:51)
What about aggregate?

[Speaker 7] (2:39:51 - 2:39:52)
That's

[Speaker 8] (2:39:52 - 2:39:53)
The AM rise.

[Speaker 9] (2:39:53 - 2:40:00)
Yes, it's the third name since I've been here, but yeah, I'm waiting for my tour because it was postponed in the fall.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:00 - 2:40:02)
Get there, Connors. Get there. Come on.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:02 - 2:40:04)
Okay, it's it's not for lack of trying.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:04 - 2:40:04)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:04 - 2:40:05)
It was for lack of planning.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:05 - 2:40:06)
Excuse me.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:06 - 2:40:08)
They they want me up there in a day that they're actually doing blasting so

[Speaker 7] (2:40:08 - 2:40:08)
Of

[Speaker 9] (2:40:08 - 2:40:08)
I can

[Speaker 7] (2:40:08 - 2:40:08)
course.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:08 - 2:40:16)
see what the impacts are like and I I had one planned for late fall and it fell through so I am looking to get back up there.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:17 - 2:40:23)
Attorney Krukas and Garrett both know that I am looking forward to it, but we just need to get a date.

[Speaker 10] (2:40:23 - 2:40:43)
And I think the other thing is as I mean it's as Nick is or Jason is going out and asking people to support some of these capital improvements, I think we have to show that we're willing to put our money down first sometimes before people like these aren't nice to haves, they're needs to haves. And if you don't help us, we're gonna figure out a way to do it. But like incentivizing

[Speaker 10] (2:40:44 - 2:40:50)
that through with the process that we've already vetted that it's an important project for us for them to understand the impact.

[Speaker 10] (2:40:50 - 2:41:12)
Something like the track, which you know while only recently became a part of the budget has been a pivotal part of these conversations that we've had citizens show up and have concerns over it that we've been advocates for it would show that you know if somebody is listening or we know somebody and they want to make a contribution this is a significant way to do it.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:13 - 2:41:31)
Yeah, I was just gonna say uh we did some digging on this recently actually as far as um naming rights and the costs and I don't know why I'm leaning over and not speaking. And um a lot of s some s school districts had sort of like a hundred thousand dollar donation gets you this named thing, but in this case

[Speaker 2] (2:41:31 - 2:41:32)
That doesn't get you there.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:32 - 2:41:33)
No.

[Speaker 10] (2:41:33 - 2:41:33)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:33 - 2:41:38)
You know, we wouldn't we'd so if somebody's n getting the track named after him, we couldn't even afford it still. So we'd need to really up it to

[Speaker 7] (2:41:39 - 2:41:40)
A million dollars.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:40 - 2:41:40)
I I

[Speaker 2] (2:41:40 - 2:41:40)
yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:40 - 2:41:42)
think it might be useful for Jason and I to talk about it.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:42 - 2:41:45)
The other option would be you pay a percentage of

[Speaker 9] (2:41:46 - 2:41:48)
the total cost, and we are open to naming it.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:49 - 2:41:49)
Hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:49 - 2:41:54)
It will not be a corporation, it will not be, you know like we have to set the guidelines so that we're not

[Speaker 7] (2:41:54 - 2:41:54)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:54 - 2:41:55)
we don't get a cannabis name

[Speaker 7] (2:41:55 - 2:41:56)
New balance track.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:56 - 2:41:56)
track.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:56 - 2:41:57)
Right. Or the

[Speaker 9] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57)
Um

[Speaker 12] (2:41:57 - 2:41:58)
Name Hill.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:58 - 2:42:00)
new balance track, I think, actually isn't

[Speaker 7] (2:42:00 - 2:42:03)
Isn't as bad as the cannabis track? Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:03 - 2:42:09)
But i i mean in new balance's case, I think it's almost always a new balance foundation that's making it. So you're referencing your reference of a non-profit

[Speaker 2] (2:42:09 - 2:42:09)
That's

[Speaker 9] (2:42:09 - 2:42:11)
that just happens to have the name of the

[Speaker 2] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
guarantee.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:11 - 2:42:12)
business in it.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:12 - 2:42:12)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:12 - 2:42:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:12 - 2:42:26)
Um but I think maybe we could come back after town meeting to be honest so that we have some time to look and to see what works in other communities and even if it's something that would require multiple sort of higher level donations how can we recognize whether

[Speaker 7] (2:42:26 - 2:42:26)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:26 - 2:42:41)
it's something standard like even the granite marker that we have for the beaches that you will put your name in it for 10 years or 20 this is the same Yes. thing that I talked about with the benches it cannot be forever it is for a capital need now we want to figure out how to recognize you that's reasonable but we also

[Speaker 9] (2:42:41 - 2:42:46)
So we need to come back to you again or find someone else in fifteen years, you know, or ten y so

[Speaker 10] (2:42:46 - 2:42:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:46 - 2:42:53)
if we could plan for June, if that works for folks, while we continue to look for opportunities to help fund this particular capital need, um I feel

[Speaker 7] (2:42:53 - 2:42:53)
We

[Speaker 9] (2:42:53 - 2:42:54)
like that'd be that'd

[Speaker 7] (2:42:54 - 2:42:56)
the Armenian get us thirty thousand dollars for it?

[Speaker 2] (2:42:56 - 2:42:56)
Thirty

[Speaker 9] (2:42:56 - 2:42:56)
What'd you say?

[Speaker 2] (2:42:56 - 2:42:56)
thousand.

[Speaker 10] (2:42:56 - 2:42:57)
Thirty

[Speaker 7] (2:42:57 - 2:42:57)
Did the

[Speaker 10] (2:42:57 - 2:42:57)
thousand.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:57 - 2:42:59)
Armenian, did she get us thirty thousand dollars for it or something?

[Speaker 7] (2:43:00 - 2:43:01)
Wasn't that really cheap?

[Speaker 2] (2:43:01 - 2:43:02)
I think they were thirty five, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
Thirty

[Speaker 2] (2:43:02 - 2:43:02)
Thirty

[Speaker 7] (2:43:02 - 2:43:05)
five thousand. So it's only nine Oh, so we don't need a million.

[Speaker 13] (2:43:05 - 2:43:06)
Yeah, it's just nine sixty.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:06 - 2:43:07)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07)
Oh, so

[Speaker 9] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07)
We

[Speaker 10] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07)
now

[Speaker 9] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07)
just

[Speaker 10] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07)
you

[Speaker 9] (2:43:07 - 2:43:07)
we

[Speaker 10] (2:43:07 - 2:43:08)
want to open

[Speaker 9] (2:43:08 - 2:43:08)
can

[Speaker 10] (2:43:08 - 2:43:08)
the checkbook?

[Speaker 9] (2:43:08 - 2:43:09)
fill a little thermometer and we're part

[Speaker 7] (2:43:09 - 2:43:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (2:43:09 - 2:43:09)
way there.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:09 - 2:43:10)
literally,

[Speaker 9] (2:43:10 - 2:43:10)
Shake the like cans.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:10 - 2:43:11)
like fireworks.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:11 - 2:43:15)
Yeah. Shake the cans out of it and in the mall.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:15 - 2:43:16)
All right.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:17 - 2:43:23)
If we've run down enough of the donor list, we can move on to the town administrator's six month evaluation.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:24 - 2:43:24)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:25 - 2:43:31)
You all have a So the same just to wrap this is the same same category. We're waiting for income to do their final

[Speaker 10] (2:43:31 - 2:43:31)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:31 - 2:43:33)
and then next next week.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:33 - 2:43:34)
And now we've asked a

[Speaker 9] (2:43:34 - 2:43:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:34 - 2:43:34)
couple people

[Speaker 9] (2:43:34 - 2:43:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:43:35 - 2:43:37)
in this room to do the same and so we'll talk about it again next And week.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:37 - 2:43:50)
just where Fincom is they didn't have the opportunity to have Ryan with them until last Thursday so this week will be one of the times that they're talking in more detail about capital outside of that. Give give us your feedback. Let us understand how you prioritize.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:50 - 2:43:52)
So just wanted to level set for you all.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:54 - 2:44:03)
The administrator review is part of the contract in the trotter that after six months I get a review so I can get feedback, improve,

[Speaker 9] (2:44:03 - 2:44:10)
better or not perfect. Um this is a a form that's been used by a few other towns with uh TAs that I know.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:12 - 2:44:17)
Obviously open to changes, are you all providing feedback uh however you would like? Do you want me to walk through how

[Speaker 10] (2:44:18 - 2:44:26)
So um so I've actually already we I looked at the form we're going to use this form for this year if you have feedback about the form

[Speaker 7] (2:44:27 - 2:44:28)
Why are we using this form and

[Speaker 10] (2:44:28 - 2:44:28)
why not?

[Speaker 7] (2:44:28 - 2:44:34)
not well we've had a form for years. Why aren't we just using the form that we've used before?

[Speaker 10] (2:44:35 - 2:44:40)
Because we have a new T_A_ and we discussed using a new form and so I picked a new form.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:41 - 2:44:45)
Um the only reason well a couple things. One is we didn't discuss it, but

[Speaker 10] (2:44:45 - 2:44:48)
No, I said I discussed we discus the town administrator and I discussed

[Speaker 7] (2:44:48 - 2:44:48)
Oh.

[Speaker 10] (2:44:48 - 2:44:50)
it. This is our discretion.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:51 - 2:45:05)
Okay, so a couple things. One is you know there's only three we've had a we've had a form before which I thought was you know worked pretty well. And then on this, there's only three categories. And I just thought the other form gave more,

[Speaker 14] (2:45:06 - 2:45:07)
You need three categories.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:07 - 2:45:10)
you know, more feedback or a little bit more leverage.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:10 - 2:45:14)
to you know you might not want you might not want to say

[Speaker 7] (2:45:15 - 2:45:29)
improvement needed uh or maybe it's a smaller amount improvement needed versus satisfactory. So that's that's just my opinion on that one. And the other thing here is it says here shall not be publicly released.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:30 - 2:45:41)
Um, I I know we've got we've talked about this before, and I just I my understanding from K_P_ law is that these are public documents and they are to all be released. So

[Speaker 10] (2:45:41 - 2:45:49)
So what is a public document is the culmination or summary of Nick's um

[Speaker 10] (2:45:50 - 2:45:51)
evaluation.

[Speaker 10] (2:45:52 - 2:45:56)
What is what our stance and we have reviewed this with KP law.

[Speaker 10] (2:45:56 - 2:46:21)
It's actually a Nix contract is that we will not make the individual evaluations public and if somebody wanted to have a FOIA request and then take it up to what do they call it the administrator of records or however supervisor of records then we'll cross that bridge when we get there but very similar to other towns we are going to make the summary public and not the individual evaluations.

[Speaker 15] (2:46:22 - 2:46:26)
I I think all of this is correct. Like I

[Speaker 10] (2:46:26 - 2:46:26)
Thank

[Speaker 15] (2:46:26 - 2:46:26)
think

[Speaker 10] (2:46:26 - 2:46:26)
you.

[Speaker 15] (2:46:26 - 2:46:28)
I mean I

[Speaker 9] (2:46:28 - 2:46:29)
I concur.

[Speaker 15] (2:46:29 - 2:46:29)
I concur, I

[Speaker 7] (2:46:29 - 2:46:30)
Okay,

[Speaker 15] (2:46:30 - 2:46:30)
think you

[Speaker 7] (2:46:30 - 2:46:30)
now.

[Speaker 15] (2:46:30 - 2:46:35)
know um but I was concurring with both of you, um because I think

[Speaker 15] (2:46:37 - 2:46:51)
my recollection is that at the end of the day we did feel as though I thought we got some of this some perspective from cable law that at the end of the day we might might not be defensible to keep this even the individual ones.

[Speaker 7] (2:46:51 - 2:46:52)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:52 - 2:46:52)
But

[Speaker 15] (2:46:52 - 2:46:52)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:52 - 2:46:53)
our policy.

[Speaker 15] (2:46:53 - 2:46:57)
But our policy and our stance is such,

[Speaker 15] (2:46:57 - 2:46:57)
yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:46:57 - 2:47:07)
So our policy and our stance is not to release it, but if somebody wants to file a FOIA and then go to the state records,

[Speaker 7] (2:47:08 - 2:47:14)
that's the avenue that they have to go and our chances of being able to defend that are pretty much...

[Speaker 7] (2:47:15 - 2:47:16)
Slim.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:16 - 2:47:16)
No.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:16 - 2:47:17)
I don't

[Speaker 16] (2:47:17 - 2:47:17)
However

[Speaker 10] (2:47:17 - 2:47:17)
know if they're slim.

[Speaker 16] (2:47:17 - 2:47:22)
we can protect the privacy of our town employees,

[Speaker 16] (2:47:23 - 2:47:24)
and as

[Speaker 2] (2:47:24 - 2:47:24)
As much as possible.

[Speaker 16] (2:47:24 - 2:47:25)
much

[Speaker 7] (2:47:25 - 2:47:26)
Well, I think there's a difference

[Speaker 16] (2:47:26 - 2:47:26)
as possible.

[Speaker 7] (2:47:26 - 2:47:36)
in town employees versus the town administrator. My understanding is in these types of rulings.

[Speaker 16] (2:47:38 - 2:47:38)
And

[Speaker 10] (2:47:38 - 2:47:38)
Well,

[Speaker 16] (2:47:38 - 2:47:39)
and and

[Speaker 10] (2:47:39 - 2:47:39)
I mean...

[Speaker 16] (2:47:39 - 2:47:43)
this is this is this is where this is where town council talks out of both sides of their mouth.

[Speaker 16] (2:47:43 - 2:47:52)
So town council will say one thing and then you ask them and you squeeze in another direction and they say something completely different. So I would think

[Speaker 16] (2:47:52 - 2:48:10)
Uh, we should err on the side of caution. We should protect uh we should protect some of the privacy and as Katie stated, um we can we can certainly release the consolidated uh review and that's that's the public document. That's been that's been that's been the practice that we've had for

[Speaker 16] (2:48:11 - 2:48:12)
As long as I've been on the board.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:12 - 2:48:15)
We can err on the side of contractual obligation until

[Speaker 15] (2:48:15 - 2:48:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:15 - 2:48:16)
we are told otherwise.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:16 - 2:48:21)
Because our contractual obligation to Nick is that we will not release these for the time being.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:21 - 2:48:24)
And if we are put forth with a decision to do so,

[Speaker 10] (2:48:24 - 2:48:28)
then we will inform the town administrator of that obligation.

[Speaker 15] (2:48:30 - 2:48:32)
Okay, when are we getting these back by?

[Speaker 10] (2:48:32 - 2:48:36)
So if you could all get them back to me...

[Speaker 10] (2:48:37 - 2:48:37)
Bye.

[Speaker 15] (2:48:38 - 2:48:39)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:38 - 2:48:39)
Wow.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:40 - 2:48:41)
It's easy for that.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:41 - 2:48:42)
right by the um

[Speaker 1] (2:48:45 - 2:48:52)
end of not this coming Friday but the following Friday what does that make it over two a little over a week and a half would be more time we can discuss but

[Speaker 2] (2:48:52 - 2:48:53)
That puts us at 17.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:53 - 2:48:56)
the 17th thank you. Um

[Speaker 3] (2:48:56 - 2:48:58)
Or you would just need it by the before the election.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:00 - 2:49:01)
Some of us certainly would.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
Hmm?

[Speaker 2] (2:49:02 - 2:49:03)
Some of us certainly would.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:04 - 2:49:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:04 - 2:49:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:04 - 2:49:06)
I think two allowed time for a summary to be prepared.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:06 - 2:49:11)
Yeah, and if I have any additional questions, I don't I don't want to have to call Doug on his off time.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:11 - 2:49:12)
I'll call him at when he's

[Speaker 4] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12)
He said

[Speaker 1] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12)
a select

[Speaker 4] (2:49:12 - 2:49:13)
say for call

[Speaker 1] (2:49:13 - 2:49:13)
breakfast.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:13 - 2:49:13)
him anytime.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:14 - 2:49:15)
Call him on his birthday.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:17 - 2:49:17)
Um

[Speaker 3] (2:49:17 - 2:49:25)
So can I just ask, this is our evaluation, right? We own this or did we get it from somewhere else, from another town or is this one

[Speaker 4] (2:49:25 - 2:49:28)
I asked around. Uh that's like it's something that I

[Speaker 4] (2:49:28 - 2:49:29)
found

[Speaker 3] (2:49:29 - 2:49:30)
Sure,

[Speaker 4] (2:49:30 - 2:49:32)
in my conversations with other TAs that have been used in a couple towns.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:33 - 2:49:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:34 - 2:49:35)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:37 - 2:49:39)
All right. Um

[Speaker 1] (2:49:43 - 2:49:55)
That is the town administrator's six month evaluation. Now, discussion and possible vote to open the annual town meeting warrant for the 18th, 2026, including review, discussion and votes on articles for inclusion in the warrant.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:56 - 2:49:58)
Sounds very impressive, but

[Speaker 4] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
So,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:59 - 2:49:59)
Oops.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:01 - 2:50:02)
Can I just share where we are?

[Speaker 1] (2:50:02 - 2:50:03)
Just share where we are because I

[Speaker 4] (2:50:03 - 2:50:24)
So we we had we in the packet had presented sort of the anticipated articles. We since then have provided this printout which does not have super lateral, it will. I'm just letting everyone know that it's not in there. And the other topic that I just wanted to discuss with you all is a board and I had had a brief discussion with the incoming

[Speaker 4] (2:50:25 - 2:50:35)
Moderator, and I plan to talk to the current moderator at some point next week as well, but now that we have two annual town meetings and we're not chasing a date to be scheduled in the fall,

[Speaker 4] (2:50:35 - 2:50:43)
there may be some utility to saying we're going to do zoning in the fall and budget in the spring for not that it will always be like set in stone,

[Speaker 4] (2:50:43 - 2:50:53)
but the goal is to do zoning in the fall budget in the spring in order to load balance for town meeting membership and also to allow for specifically when it comes to zoning related bylaws.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:54 - 2:51:05)
Anytime that there's someone new coming onto the board, they're coming on at the very end of the process on the planning board or on the select board. They may have very strong opinions on things that are happening or want to be involved in a way that they would not be allowed to based on the timing.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:06 - 2:51:10)
But now that we have the set in stone first Monday in December,

[Speaker 4] (2:51:10 - 2:51:15)
again, it's not something where it's sort of the will of the board like we're going to get together in October for a couple years,

[Speaker 4] (2:51:15 - 2:51:20)
we're going to do December now so that we can actually plan for it and we give more runway for membership.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:20 - 2:51:33)
membership on elected boards to be involved in those planning and zoning decisions. It's an opportunity and an option that I just want to throw out there. By no means is it required, but in this draft that we have, you know, it is almost all budget-related articles.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:34 - 2:51:47)
Uh there's a handful of articles that were related to planning that were considered or has are in the process being considered. Planning Board's not moving on Site Plan Review in time for the spring as it is anyway. That's one that they've taken a look at, I think, over a number of years.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:48 - 2:51:57)
Um there's changes to the by-law around the MS4 permit which is storm-water related and then the two other ones that are have been floating out there around among town staff that were highlighted by a resident.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:57 - 2:52:02)
The tree bylaw to make sure that replacement trees are of a similar calibre.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:02 - 2:52:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:03 - 2:52:12)
Caliper, thank you. At the at the average breast height, that's the other part of it, the A_V_H_ um to whatever happens to die or is, you know, destroyed accidentally,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:12 - 2:52:16)
rather than replacing something that's gotten to be four inches with another one inch wimpy thing.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:16 - 2:52:19)
And this would only impact um

[Speaker 4] (2:52:19 - 2:52:20)
It's for

[Speaker 3] (2:52:20 - 2:52:20)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:20 - 2:52:45)
the by-law impacts places that have a landscape plan as part of their um site plan, so it's it's really commercial and large residential. It's not something that impacts uh an individual homeowner uh for the most part. And then the noise by-law is the other one that's been raised following the um the work with the UV pilot. Our our terminology is a little off in that we don't account for um

[Speaker 4] (2:52:46 - 2:52:50)
The ambient noise, we're just going from absolute zero,

[Speaker 4] (2:52:50 - 2:53:14)
so it's something that we need to address. And I guess, as I've been told at this point, I have not investigated personally, when there were questions about the sound admission on the roof deck, that was it was part of the sort of the rub and the give and take was are you measuring it correctly based on the state law versus your bylaw? Does your bylaw appropriately so that's another one that we would need to sort of flesh out more. But that was one of the other.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:15 - 2:53:19)
Um general bylaws, it was considered as a potential inclusion this year.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:19 - 2:53:25)
So the first question really, now that I've rambled through all that, is if you'd be open to the idea of moving um

[Speaker 4] (2:53:26 - 2:53:35)
the zoning specific stuff to the fall as a practice at least for this year, uh knowing that we really don't have anything planned, but also to allow us to lower balance for town meeting members.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:35 - 2:53:36)
I think that's a great idea.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:36 - 2:53:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:37 - 2:53:37)
Me too.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:37 - 2:53:38)
Makes a There lot of sense.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:38 - 2:53:39)
was a no-brainer, I think.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:39 - 2:53:41)
The only concern is, is there ever,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:41 - 2:53:44)
do we look at risk as f as far as having quorums?

[Speaker 3] (2:53:45 - 2:53:45)
in the fall.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:47 - 2:53:48)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:53:48 - 2:53:50)
In the fall it's actually it's

[Speaker 1] (2:53:50 - 2:53:50)
It's actually

[Speaker 3] (2:53:50 - 2:53:50)
late

[Speaker 4] (2:53:50 - 2:53:50)
now

[Speaker 3] (2:53:50 - 2:53:51)
fall. Huh?

[Speaker 1] (2:53:51 - 2:53:52)
It's winter.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:52 - 2:53:52)
It's

[Speaker 3] (2:53:52 - 2:53:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:53 - 2:53:53)
December.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:53 - 2:53:53)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:53 - 2:53:53)
Really winter.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:53 - 2:53:56)
I think if you had zoning articles though you'd probably get more people.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:57 - 2:53:58)
Really?

[Speaker 2] (2:53:58 - 2:53:59)
Because it'd be more substance in a way.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:00 - 2:54:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:00 - 2:54:03)
Because it's not just a shuffle, it's something in addition to.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:03 - 2:54:03)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:03 - 2:54:05)
Well what is the what is the opinion of the planning board?

[Speaker 4] (2:54:07 - 2:54:11)
So I've talked to Marcy about it. I have not gone to a planning board meeting to discuss this.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:11 - 2:54:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:11 - 2:54:15)
They don't have anything to put forward right now anyway because they're not doing site plan for the spring.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:15 - 2:54:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:15 - 2:54:18)
So this is an opportunity to not only recognise what they have going on.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:18 - 2:54:24)
But also allow us to plan a little better to make sure that, you know, we get into a cadence that this makes sense.

[Speaker 7] (2:54:24 - 2:54:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:24 - 2:54:30)
It's a little bit academic at the moment because there aren't really zoning things on here anyway. So it's not like we're moving something off here because of that.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:30 - 2:54:30)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:54:30 - 2:54:30)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:54:30 - 2:54:31)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:31 - 2:54:45)
Well, it's almost better to do it now uh because there isn't anything on here so that they could be uh so that when they wanna put something forth they're understanding the cadence that they have to prepare for versus having something be at the table and then it sort of feel like maybe a punishment or

[Speaker 1] (2:54:45 - 2:54:49)
or whatever for it to go to later to our meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:49 - 2:55:08)
I think that that's one of the reasons why it's a good opportunity to do it because you're not you're not putting them on a new timeline and additionally we have a new town administrator who would like to you know have a little bit more a little I think have the meetings be a little bit more even.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:09 - 2:55:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:09 - 2:55:15)
And not have everything happening at one time, which sometimes, you know, the annual town hall, I guess now they're both annual,

[Speaker 2] (2:55:15 - 2:55:15)
They're

[Speaker 1] (2:55:15 - 2:55:15)
but

[Speaker 2] (2:55:15 - 2:55:16)
both in

[Speaker 1] (2:55:16 - 2:55:25)
the spring town meeting could go three three nights sometimes, especially if the budget discussion is robust. And that's a lot, especially for a person who pays for a babysitter for all three nights.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:28 - 2:55:36)
Um I had sent in an article on how the Finance Committee and the Capital Committee is appointed. I don't see that in here.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:36 - 2:55:39)
I did not include that, but that may I kind of have it.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:41 - 2:55:52)
And then the other question I have here is on this um on this uh what is the re what do you call it? Road intersides.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:52 - 2:55:53)
Road denticide.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:53 - 2:55:54)
Rodenticides.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:54 - 2:56:02)
Um I still would like to see that out of citizens and put into miscellaneous. For yeah, I guess miscellaneous.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:04 - 2:56:04)
Tell me if you can

[Speaker 3] (2:56:05 - 2:56:08)
You were gonna go back and look and see whether or not

[Speaker 3] (2:56:09 - 2:56:10)
it was

[Speaker 2] (2:56:10 - 2:56:11)
We were allowed to do that.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:11 - 2:56:14)
So it's a question of how you all want to organize it.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:14 - 2:56:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:14 - 2:56:15)
It's ultimately up to you all.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:15 - 2:56:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:16 - 2:56:16)
We can

[Speaker 8] (2:56:17 - 2:56:20)
So the citizen can withdraw if we if we put on the if

[Speaker 1] (2:56:20 - 2:56:20)
we

[Speaker 8] (2:56:20 - 2:56:21)
we put put a warrant

[Speaker 1] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
forth

[Speaker 8] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
over here.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:21 - 2:56:22)
as part of the warrant.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:22 - 2:56:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:22 - 2:56:23)
If we can

[Speaker 4] (2:56:23 - 2:56:23)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:56:23 - 2:56:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:23 - 2:56:24)
extending it forth as part of our warrant.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:24 - 2:56:27)
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about where it lands on the warrant.

[Speaker 2] (2:56:27 - 2:56:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:27 - 2:56:49)
So I when I talked to Katie today about if there was something that we wanted to do I think ultimately we would propose a warrant that is substantially or exactly the same and that's the only time that you can sort of move through things or withdraw at that point. I don't think we can at this point because it's already qualified for the ballot. I mean for the warrant I apologize for the language.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:49 - 2:56:57)
I think we could absolutely take this article and move it into

[Speaker 3] (2:56:57 - 2:57:00)
Just make a copy of this article and move it into our miscellaneous articles

[Speaker 9] (2:57:00 - 2:57:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:01 - 2:57:06)
and then allow the petitioner to withdraw it at whatever point they want to withdraw it.

[Speaker 9] (2:57:08 - 2:57:10)
You're talking about the bonfire one?

[Speaker 4] (2:57:10 - 2:57:10)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:10 - 2:57:13)
No, Rosentina decides. Wait, and why is this important,

[Speaker 2] (2:57:13 - 2:57:16)
Mary Ellen, the difference is because you want it to be more of the stamp

[Speaker 9] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
Particular

[Speaker 2] (2:57:16 - 2:57:17)
of the select

[Speaker 9] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
article.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
board?

[Speaker 3] (2:57:17 - 2:57:25)
Yeah, I want it and and also because you've had different committees voice it. You've had a past town administrator bring this up. I just

[Speaker 4] (2:57:27 - 2:57:31)
It is already the policy of the town. This is to make sure that it's a by-law so that

[Speaker 8] (2:57:31 - 2:57:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:32 - 2:57:32)
when

[Speaker 3] (2:57:32 - 2:57:32)
It has

[Speaker 4] (2:57:32 - 2:57:33)
if there

[Speaker 3] (2:57:33 - 2:57:33)
to

[Speaker 4] (2:57:33 - 2:57:33)
was

[Speaker 3] (2:57:33 - 2:57:33)
last.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:33 - 2:57:34)
anyone in my role or

[Speaker 3] (2:57:34 - 2:57:34)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:34 - 2:57:34)
DPW

[Speaker 2] (2:57:34 - 2:57:34)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:57:34 - 2:57:35)
or

[Speaker 2] (2:57:35 - 2:57:36)
time. Get up.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:36 - 2:57:36)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:37 - 2:57:39)
Okay, so I'll work through those.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:39 - 2:57:41)
Same thing with the foie gras. You know, definitely wants

[Speaker 3] (2:57:41 - 2:57:42)
No no, I I

[Speaker 3] (2:57:43 - 2:57:44)
Not that.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:44 - 2:57:46)
Not that. How about wood fires?

[Speaker 9] (2:57:46 - 2:57:46)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:46 - 2:57:52)
No because the wood fires was uh is not from the Board of Health.

[Speaker 9] (2:57:55 - 2:57:58)
These are all citizens petitions. What are we actually talking about here?

[Speaker 1] (2:57:58 - 2:58:07)
We're talking about moving the rodenticide or the toxins petition to a actual warrant article that's being proposed by the select board.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:07 - 2:58:08)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:58:08 - 2:58:08)
So you're

[Speaker 1] (2:58:08 - 2:58:08)
having

[Speaker 2] (2:58:08 - 2:58:08)
going to miss

[Speaker 1] (2:58:08 - 2:58:08)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:58:08 - 2:58:09)
a citizen, late in its articles.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:09 - 2:58:14)
and having the citizen withdraw it as a citizen's petition because we have all agreed to support it anyways.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:15 - 2:58:17)
What? Th these three citizens petitions?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17)
Just the one.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:17 - 2:58:17)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:58:17 - 2:58:18)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
one.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
one.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
first

[Speaker 1] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
Just

[Speaker 3] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
Just

[Speaker 2] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
one.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
just one.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:18 - 2:58:20)
second rodenticide one. Sorry, the rodent one.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:20 - 2:58:21)
Just the first one.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:21 - 2:58:23)
Move it up to miscellaneous.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:23 - 2:58:27)
So it's coming from the select board, not just a citizen, just a citizen.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:27 - 2:58:29)
We we all voted on that one?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:29 - 2:58:30)
No, no, but when we talked about it

[Speaker 1] (2:58:31 - 2:58:32)
la was

[Speaker 8] (2:58:32 - 2:58:32)
We're talking about it now.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:33 - 2:58:33)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:33 - 2:58:34)
no we talked about we also talked about it

[Speaker 2] (2:58:36 - 2:58:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:36 - 2:58:39)
right that was already the policy of the town that

[Speaker 3] (2:58:39 - 2:58:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:39 - 2:58:41)
we were already doing this that

[Speaker 3] (2:58:41 - 2:58:41)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:41 - 2:58:45)
this was going to solidify the language that the state is now adopting and

[Speaker 3] (2:58:45 - 2:58:46)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:46 - 2:58:56)
like having done that we would consider just moving it on to the warrant as proposed by us so that it would have it would have potentially a

[Speaker 1] (2:58:57 - 2:59:03)
a weight-bearing to town meeting that we're behind it and not that the citizen is behind.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:04 - 2:59:09)
I have no interest in that personally, but I mean, whatever the board decides. That's

[Speaker 5] (2:59:11 - 2:59:12)
Okay, then, close

[Speaker 1] (2:59:12 - 2:59:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:12 - 2:59:14)
that up. Um

[Speaker 5] (2:59:15 - 2:59:19)
And I I am uh the uh the other one is this vets money thing.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:20 - 2:59:21)
Wait, so I don't think it actually

[Speaker 4] (2:59:21 - 2:59:21)
What?

[Speaker 1] (2:59:21 - 2:59:23)
gets cleared up. So are we moving it or are we not? 'Cause Nick's gotta have direction.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:23 - 2:59:24)
I thought we were moving it.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:24 - 2:59:24)
We're moving

[Speaker 1] (2:59:24 - 2:59:25)
We are moving it? Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:26 - 2:59:28)
Sorry, just wanna make sure.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:28 - 2:59:29)
Okay, no problem.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:29 - 2:59:30)
All right, what about the vets money?

[Speaker 5] (2:59:30 - 2:59:32)
The vets money. So when we took the vote

[Speaker 5] (2:59:33 - 2:59:35)
someone can go back in the minutes

[Speaker 6] (2:59:35 - 2:59:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:35 - 2:59:37)
about setting up the fund.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:38 - 2:59:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:38 - 2:59:59)
There was a particular language about a particular type of fund that we would be setting up for the money from the neighbors when they pay the rent payment that that would go into a specific fund so it would be there clearly designated for the repair and rehabilitation of

[Speaker 5] (3:00:00 - 3:00:01)
Meeting on a borrowing.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:01 - 3:00:04)
Okay, so the the board voted

[Speaker 5] (3:00:04 - 3:00:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:04 - 3:00:07)
that we wanted to make sure that whatever

[Speaker 5] (3:00:08 - 3:00:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:08 - 3:00:10)
steps that need to be taken are taken by town meeting,

[Speaker 5] (3:00:10 - 3:00:10)
Require

[Speaker 7] (3:00:10 - 3:00:11)
so that it has a place to go.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:11 - 3:00:11)
yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:11 - 3:00:11)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:11 - 3:00:25)
I feel like process-wise it's a little uh we maybe took that vote backwards, because we need to we need to fund those monies before they come in, not put them in a fund after they came in, because we're reimbursing ourselves after.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:25 - 3:00:26)
No, I don't.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:26 - 3:00:31)
No, I think you're talking about the money that is received as a part of the C_O_

[Speaker 5] (3:00:31 - 3:00:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:32 - 3:00:36)
It's them achieving its Let us look into it, we'll have an answer next week

[Speaker 5] (3:00:36 - 3:00:36)
You

[Speaker 7] (3:00:36 - 3:00:36)
when

[Speaker 5] (3:00:36 - 3:00:41)
won't have the money, it's not going to happen needing the capital money. We still need that, because

[Speaker 1] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
assuming

[Speaker 7] (3:00:42 - 3:00:43)
The cash flow issue.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:43 - 3:00:44)
right,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:47 - 3:00:51)
But I uh I don't kno I don't remember all the details. I mean it's

[Speaker 7] (3:00:51 - 3:00:51)
So we'll take a look

[Speaker 5] (3:00:51 - 3:00:51)
so we

[Speaker 7] (3:00:51 - 3:00:52)
let's see.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:52 - 3:00:52)
see the minutes and

[Speaker 7] (3:00:52 - 3:00:53)
And we'll see what we can

[Speaker 5] (3:00:53 - 3:00:53)
very

[Speaker 7] (3:00:53 - 3:00:53)
find.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:53 - 3:00:54)
technical.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:54 - 3:00:54)
If we have more questions.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:54 - 3:01:01)
There were two technical options and we voted for one and how we were gonna do it and so hopefully it's

[Speaker 7] (3:01:01 - 3:01:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:01 - 3:01:03)
You're just trying to codify it, right? And yeah, we wanna make sure

[Speaker 7] (3:01:03 - 3:01:04)
that's it. You will

[Speaker 4] (3:01:04 - 3:01:05)
properly

[Speaker 7] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
review

[Speaker 4] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
uh

[Speaker 7] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
that

[Speaker 5] (3:01:05 - 3:01:06)
It's that on through and we'll be voted.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:06 - 3:01:07)
What was that,

[Speaker 4] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
Alright,

[Speaker 7] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
December?

[Speaker 4] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
so next you understand

[Speaker 7] (3:01:07 - 3:01:08)
December that, twenty four,

[Speaker 4] (3:01:08 - 3:01:08)
at least, right?

[Speaker 7] (3:01:08 - 3:01:09)
last so meeting?

[Speaker 4] (3:01:09 - 3:01:09)
we can

[Speaker 5] (3:01:11 - 3:01:11)
That long ago?

[Speaker 7] (3:01:11 - 3:01:12)
I think so.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:13 - 3:01:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:14 - 3:01:15)
December twenty four.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:16 - 3:01:16)
Yeah, that's what

[Speaker 5] (3:01:16 - 3:01:17)
David.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:17 - 3:01:17)
It was like.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:17 - 3:01:18)
it was around that time, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:21 - 3:01:23)
So is that we want that for next week, right?

[Speaker 5] (3:01:23 - 3:01:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:24 - 3:01:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:24 - 3:01:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:25 - 3:01:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:26 - 3:01:32)
So are we are we meeting next week to open and close this warrant? We're going to open it tonight.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:32 - 3:01:33)
We're opening tonight oh, actually

[Speaker 4] (3:01:33 - 3:01:33)
We have an

[Speaker 5] (3:01:33 - 3:01:33)
should

[Speaker 4] (3:01:33 - 3:01:33)
agenda

[Speaker 5] (3:01:33 - 3:01:34)
we have voted

[Speaker 4] (3:01:34 - 3:01:35)
next week, right? Is

[Speaker 5] (3:01:35 - 3:01:35)
on

[Speaker 8] (3:01:35 - 3:01:35)
What?

[Speaker 5] (3:01:35 - 3:01:35)
this discussion?

[Speaker 4] (3:01:35 - 3:01:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:38 - 3:01:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:38 - 3:01:39)
What?

[Speaker 5] (3:01:39 - 3:01:41)
We're opening it now, close next week I guess.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:42 - 3:01:43)
We can close it at the end of the month as well.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:43 - 3:01:45)
We don't know when it's happening.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:45 - 3:01:45)
New members.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:48 - 3:01:49)
I thought we

[Speaker 8] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
Uh

[Speaker 4] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
could have

[Speaker 8] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
no,

[Speaker 4] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
a lot

[Speaker 8] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
it

[Speaker 4] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
of

[Speaker 8] (3:01:49 - 3:01:49)
would

[Speaker 4] (3:01:49 - 3:01:50)
work

[Speaker 8] (3:01:50 - 3:01:52)
have to be the beginning of May. What date?

[Speaker 7] (3:01:53 - 3:01:55)
We have a meeting on the twenty ninth, which is the day after the election.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:57 - 3:01:59)
We can figure it out. We'll see where we're at next

[Speaker 8] (3:01:59 - 3:01:59)
We're

[Speaker 5] (3:01:59 - 3:01:59)
week.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:59 - 3:02:00)
meeting next week the fifteenth, right?

[Speaker 5] (3:02:00 - 3:02:01)
We could always have a brief meeting,

[Speaker 9] (3:02:01 - 3:02:02)
Yeah we go.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:02 - 3:02:03)
whatever, if we needed to

[Speaker 9] (3:02:04 - 3:02:04)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:05 - 3:02:06)
You just don't wanna leave us.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:06 - 3:02:07)
I just wanna go.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:07 - 3:02:09)
Finish our business. But whatever,

[Speaker 5] (3:02:09 - 3:02:10)
someone else can finish it.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:12 - 3:02:17)
So we'll move the citizens on the rodenticide. Rodenticide,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:17 - 3:02:17)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:17 - 3:02:19)
look for the vote to make sure we're codifying it.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:20 - 3:02:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:20 - 3:02:26)
There are placeholders in the drafted document that's in front of you for sound by law landscaping that were not complete.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:26 - 3:02:26)
I will.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:27 - 3:02:29)
For now, remove them with

[Speaker 1] (3:02:29 - 3:02:29)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:29 - 3:02:32)
and send an updated draft that is focused on the budget and citizen petitions.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:32 - 3:02:35)
And please follow up with planning so that they understand

[Speaker 7] (3:02:35 - 3:02:36)
Of course,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
the

[Speaker 7] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
if

[Speaker 1] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
cadence

[Speaker 7] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
they it's

[Speaker 1] (3:02:36 - 3:02:38)
so that they're not caught off guard.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:38 - 3:02:40)
not the right thing to do, we I will report that back

[Speaker 1] (3:02:40 - 3:02:40)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:40 - 3:02:40)
to you.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:40 - 3:02:44)
Oh, this idea about the zoning is going to remove the sound

[Speaker 7] (3:02:44 - 3:02:44)
So those

[Speaker 5] (3:02:44 - 3:02:46)
and landscaping?

[Speaker 7] (3:02:46 - 3:02:51)
are all still very actively being discussed by the individuals that raised it.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:52 - 3:02:59)
um and would need to put them before KPMG as well, which we could definitely turn around, but this idea would be that we would move all of that.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:00 - 3:03:11)
And um Earth removal is looking at their by-law to see changing I think one of the big things Marcy said is the limits on the amount of earth that can be moved needs to be it sort of adjusted.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:12 - 3:03:17)
Um and it's more around development as opposed to earth removal in terms of like the E-RAC.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:18 - 3:03:24)
group working directly with Amerind. This is around development at individual uh locations. So

[Speaker 7] (3:03:25 - 3:03:32)
these are all things that have been in process and are not complete anyway. So again, part of why I was trying to take the opportunity to uh rebalance.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:34 - 3:03:34)
'Kay.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:34 - 3:03:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:03:35 - 3:03:35)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:36 - 3:03:37)
That is a very innovative idea.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:40 - 3:03:42)
Is that one of the questions on the

[Speaker 1] (3:03:42 - 3:03:43)
You can put that on his

[Speaker 8] (3:03:43 - 3:03:44)
Oh, you better,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
observations.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:44 - 3:03:47)
oh, I wasn't involved in that. I would have probably put that on

[Speaker 11] (3:03:47 - 3:03:47)
it.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:47 - 3:03:49)
So you I'm sure you can you can shoehorn

[Speaker 8] (3:03:49 - 3:03:49)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:03:49 - 3:03:49)
it in there somewhere

[Speaker 8] (3:03:49 - 3:03:49)
probably put

[Speaker 7] (3:03:49 - 3:03:50)
for me

[Speaker 8] (3:03:50 - 3:03:51)
it under other, under other.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:51 - 3:03:53)
Yep, there's a spot for comments now.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:54 - 3:03:58)
All right, everybody's good? Moving on to

[Speaker 8] (3:03:58 - 3:03:59)
Oh, we're not, so that's all we have

[Speaker 7] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
Did

[Speaker 8] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
to do,

[Speaker 7] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
you

[Speaker 8] (3:03:59 - 3:04:00)
vote we vote for?

[Speaker 7] (3:04:00 - 3:04:00)
to

[Speaker 5] (3:04:00 - 3:04:00)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (3:04:00 - 3:04:00)
open

[Speaker 5] (3:04:00 - 3:04:00)
we open.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:00 - 3:04:00)
it?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:00 - 3:04:01)
Oh, We didn't vote.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:01 - 3:04:01)
we want to vote to open?

[Speaker 7] (3:04:01 - 3:04:02)
Yeah

[Speaker 8] (3:04:02 - 3:04:02)
Alright, let's go.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:02 - 3:04:08)
So I'll entertain a motion to open the annual town meeting warrant.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:08 - 3:04:09)
So moved.

[Speaker 8] (3:04:09 - 3:04:09)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:11 - 3:04:11)
All in favor?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:12 - 3:04:12)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:12 - 3:04:12)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (3:04:12 - 3:04:14)
Aye. Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:14 - 3:04:14)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 8] (3:04:14 - 3:04:15)
I was chewing.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:15 - 3:04:17)
So consider it open.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:17 - 3:04:18)
It's important work getting done.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:20 - 3:04:21)
You're good now?

[Speaker 1] (3:04:25 - 3:04:28)
Okay. Discussion. Impossible vote on

[Speaker 1] (3:04:30 - 3:04:34)
Let's see. Discussion impossible vote regarding the findings and recommendations from the investigation of a complaint.

[Speaker 8] (3:04:36 - 3:04:38)
So can I comment on this before we start?

[Speaker 8] (3:04:41 - 3:04:45)
So the reason we have we have this on the warrant

[Speaker 4] (3:04:46 - 3:04:46)
On the warrant

[Speaker 8] (3:04:46 - 3:04:57)
agenda, on the agenda, it's getting late, on the agenda is uh my responsibility. So I just like to start by saying that on um

[Speaker 8] (3:04:58 - 3:05:08)
Wednesday evening before Thanksgiving, uh Katy, Palin and I received an email from an individual accusing Mr Grishman of hitting his car while parked at

[Speaker 8] (3:05:09 - 3:05:28)
gin and liquors and whole foods and I took it upon myself to walk into the police station to ensure that they received the email. Even though I did forward the email to the police chief and the town administrator, I still violated the code of conduct by getting further involved and for this I apologize to Mr.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:28 - 3:05:34)
Grishman, the select board uh the s and Mr. Grishman, the select board and the town.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:35 - 3:05:37)
And in the future I will do better.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:40 - 3:05:41)
That's my comment.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:44 - 3:05:46)
All right. Um

[Speaker 1] (3:05:51 - 3:05:59)
Where do we go from there guys? So I guess a little context. Marilyn gave a little bit of context. Um so

[Speaker 1] (3:06:00 - 3:06:03)
Uh Mr.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:03 - 3:06:25)
Grishman uh put forward um a an allegation that somebody, he did not know who, went to the police station and um with an email put forward uh the only two folks on the email were Ms. Fletcher and I and um

[Speaker 1] (3:06:26 - 3:06:34)
He asked us to put forward an investigation to determine sort of what occurred during that interaction.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:35 - 3:06:40)
To be clear, I want to say that the matter of investigation is not Mr.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:40 - 3:06:42)
Grishman and what occurred or did not occur in the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:42 - 3:06:53)
The police handled that in normal course and that was not the matter of the investigation. The matter was simply to determine what occurred and what was asked in the police station that evening.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:53 - 3:07:10)
meeting. Um the there is an investigation. It will be made public. We've met in executive session and it and agreed that it would be made public because it was paid for by taxpayer dollars um in order to determine sort of what occurred.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:12 - 3:07:18)
For the purposes of protecting members of the public and employees,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:19 - 3:07:34)
there are certain items redacted from the investigation and the recommendations of the investigation were listed out for us to discuss in executive session and one of the

[Speaker 1] (3:07:39 - 3:07:45)
Results of the investigation is obviously the apology that Mary Ellen just read. I appreciate that, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:46 - 3:07:57)
I'm taking ownership for and responsibility to some of the facts in the allegation. So is there further comments or discussion?

[Speaker 5] (3:08:04 - 3:08:29)
I guess I would say I I also appreciate Marilyn, you um uh making that statement. Um I d I do think that there were two parts to the situation um and I'm wondering whether or not um you would agree with that or you're specifically uh

[Speaker 1] (3:08:41 - 3:08:52)
Independent investigation indicated uh there was one about um and I'm going to read just so I'm not misquoting or misparaphrasing.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:53 - 3:08:58)
So there's a paragraph in the Code of Conduct says conduct in relation to town staff.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:58 - 3:09:08)
Town officials must understand that town staff do not take direction from any individual official on any matter therefore officials should refrain from giving instructions to or requesting assistance from town staff.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:09 - 3:09:25)
Also at your request should only go through the chair of the officials committee, the town administrator or the chair of the officials appointing authority. So I have to admit when you read what you just read I didn't quite catch exactly whether or not you felt as though you were addressing that or didn't feel like that was relevant.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:26 - 3:09:36)
I felt that I was addressing it, and I think I've, you know, I'm pretty clear here that we're sitting here and we're talking about this and it's my responsibility and I apologise.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:38 - 3:09:54)
So uh the the the context here was that the uh police department official felt as though they were being given direction uh to undertake this uh and clearly,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:54 - 3:10:04)
you know, through multiple conversations and the court of conduct were all in extreme agreement that uh the only person we give direction to

[Speaker 1] (3:10:05 - 3:10:08)
All of town is the town administrator and

[Speaker 1] (3:10:10 - 3:10:14)
we want to make sure that we only leave that impression with anybody and

[Speaker 2] (3:10:14 - 3:10:15)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:15 - 3:10:26)
everybody that that's the only person that we direct all of our communications through and we don't want anyone to feel as though they're being instructed otherwise without the time.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:26 - 3:10:26)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:26 - 3:10:33)
I think no employee should feel that a select board member is telling them to do a job or telling them to do something.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:38 - 3:10:45)
And then the second piece is conduct in relation to other town officials, which states in pertinent part,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:45 - 3:10:51)
town officials shall treat the members of other all other boards and committees with respect despite potentially conflicting roles and differences of opinion.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:52 - 3:11:03)
Concerns about the conduct of another official should be privately directed to the select board chair or where appropriate to the town administrator. And I think I think you I think I picked up on what you said that you did address that piece.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:05 - 3:11:07)
Yes, I would say I addressed that piece.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:23 - 3:11:27)
So I wanna thank Mary Ellen for actually owning this and

[Speaker 3] (3:11:29 - 3:11:30)
um admitting fault.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:31 - 3:11:58)
Right, 'cause it's not easy to do and we're not, none of us are perfect humans and you know, so I I I give you a lot of credit for doing that, for owning it and and saying it was wrong. Um that doesn't take away the fact that I personally am incredibly annoyed to have to even have this conversation or to have this be a thing. And it's part of what I've been saying for a long time that

[Speaker 3] (3:11:59 - 3:12:00)
We can all disagree,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:00 - 3:12:11)
we all have very vehemently publicly, we've had differences of opinion, but we absolutely have to chart a different course going forward.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:11 - 3:12:17)
And I've said it in relation to our inter-board relations with school committee, with finance,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:17 - 3:12:18)
school versus town,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:18 - 3:12:20)
all of these narratives,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:20 - 3:12:21)
and this goes to the heart of it.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:21 - 3:12:26)
So, sure, this is very specific to this one incident.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:27 - 3:12:32)
Um, you know, David and I don't agree on a lot of things over the years.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:33 - 3:12:45)
None of us do on this board. But I am disheartened that I have to even have this conversation and that this even came up because this took it to a new level and it's disappointing,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:45 - 3:12:46)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:12:46 - 3:12:47)
I am really,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:47 - 3:12:55)
really encouraged by the fact that that Mary Ellen is owning it and recognizing that it wasn't the right thing to do.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:55 - 3:13:02)
But I do think that we as a board, if we cannot hold each other accountable, then we have nothing.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:02 - 3:13:03)
There's zero here,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:03 - 3:13:12)
right? We have, we're, we have to hold ourselves in a different category than the people we represent in this town,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:12 - 3:13:12)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:13:12 - 3:13:14)
And if we can't be better,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:14 - 3:13:15)
then we shouldn't be here,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:15 - 3:13:16)
plain and simple.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:17 - 3:13:23)
You know, this took a different turn because this could have been a really serious criminal situation for someone.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:23 - 3:13:45)
um for a member of this board that had no idea this was coming and quite frankly didn't really deserve it so I'm I'm I'm upset we got to this point but I'm also glad that we're doing this publicly and we're owning it and we're trying to we're committing to being better but I really want that to stick

[Speaker 3] (3:13:45 - 3:13:50)
Right. And I don't want this to be a one-off where we're talking about it and it's going to go away.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:51 - 3:13:54)
I want our relationship building in this town to change.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:55 - 3:13:58)
And it starts here with this board and it starts now with this.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:58 - 3:14:01)
And that means how we talk to each other,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:01 - 3:14:04)
how the respect we have for town staff,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:04 - 3:14:05)
for school staff,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:05 - 3:14:08)
the professional courtesies we extend.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:10 - 3:14:16)
to stop overreaching, overstepping, and coming out of our lanes and understanding our roles,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:16 - 3:14:16)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:14:17 - 3:14:18)
This was,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:18 - 3:14:21)
you know, an odd situation.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:21 - 3:14:24)
It just isn't a norm. It's an outlier, I hope.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:25 - 3:14:28)
But we signed a code of conduct.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:28 - 3:14:30)
We signed a handbook.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:31 - 3:14:34)
Like, I am not here to tell anybody in this town what to do.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:36 - 3:14:54)
um or to to assume a position of power that I don't have, right? We have a collective power uh uh amongst us together as a group, we don't unilaterally have this you know overwhelming sense of tell people what to do point, i i i i it's just gotta stop.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:54 - 3:14:56)
Right. So that's that's the request I have.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:58 - 3:15:07)
You know, and I feel badly that we're even spending time on this when we have so many other pressing things to deal with in this town. But at the same time, I'm glad we're clearing it up.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:10 - 3:15:13)
Yep, and I just,

[Speaker 4] (3:15:13 - 3:15:14)
you know, I...

[Speaker 4] (3:15:15 - 3:15:28)
I just wanted to m I filed the complaint. I wanted to make sure that uh this does not happen to other um select board members, other volunteers, uh other members of town staff,

[Speaker 4] (3:15:28 - 3:15:35)
other residents uh who, you know, I and I mean it's a complete

[Speaker 4] (3:15:36 - 3:15:38)
uh subversion of the chain of command.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:39 - 3:15:42)
It's a complete abuse of power.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:44 - 3:15:51)
To have a select board member walk in to the Swampscott Police Department on the day before Thanksgiving,

[Speaker 4] (3:15:51 - 3:15:53)
the evening before Thanksgiving and say,

[Speaker 4] (3:15:53 - 3:15:54)
I want to get this guy.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:56 - 3:15:57)
And that's in the report.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:59 - 3:16:01)
And that's chilling to me.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:02 - 3:16:03)
It's chilling to my family.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:05 - 3:16:10)
And it should be chilling to everyone who's listening.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:10 - 3:16:13)
And this isn't the first time that...

[Speaker 4] (3:16:13 - 3:16:19)
this individual has been uh engaged in these types of behaviors. But

[Speaker 3] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19)
this

[Speaker 3] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19)
hold

[Speaker 4] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19)
is

[Speaker 3] (3:16:19 - 3:16:19)
on.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:19 - 3:16:20)
but this is

[Speaker 3] (3:16:20 - 3:16:20)
It's a digression.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:20 - 3:16:21)
ex excuse

[Speaker 3] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
So here

[Speaker 4] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
me it's

[Speaker 3] (3:16:21 - 3:16:23)
we go. You're making accusations

[Speaker 4] (3:16:23 - 3:16:23)
ex excuse

[Speaker 3] (3:16:23 - 3:16:23)
like,

[Speaker 4] (3:16:23 - 3:16:23)
me

[Speaker 3] (3:16:23 - 3:16:25)
that's what you do all the time. You make accusations

[Speaker 4] (3:16:25 - 3:16:26)
excuse me Mary

[Speaker 3] (3:16:26 - 3:16:27)
over and

[Speaker 4] (3:16:27 - 3:16:27)
Ellen

[Speaker 3] (3:16:27 - 3:16:27)
over.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:27 - 3:16:27)
Mary Ellen let

[Speaker 3] (3:16:27 - 3:16:28)
I've

[Speaker 4] (3:16:28 - 3:16:28)
me finish

[Speaker 3] (3:16:28 - 3:16:29)
got the list of them

[Speaker 4] (3:16:29 - 3:16:30)
let me finish speaking please.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:30 - 3:16:30)
Yeah, go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:30 - 3:16:38)
Thank you. So this isn't the first time that she that she has gone to department heads or

[Speaker 4] (3:16:39 - 3:16:48)
or other people and requested things and used her uh... her used her power to elicit some type of response. Again, this

[Speaker 2] (3:16:48 - 3:16:48)
You

[Speaker 4] (3:16:48 - 3:16:48)
is

[Speaker 2] (3:16:48 - 3:16:49)
know, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 4] (3:16:49 - 3:16:49)
this

[Speaker 2] (3:16:49 - 3:16:49)
but if you

[Speaker 4] (3:16:49 - 3:16:49)
is

[Speaker 2] (3:16:49 - 3:16:50)
don't have facts,

[Speaker 4] (3:16:50 - 3:16:50)
this is this

[Speaker 2] (3:16:50 - 3:16:51)
your this point of is view

[Speaker 4] (3:16:51 - 3:16:51)
this

[Speaker 2] (3:16:51 - 3:16:51)
is is just,

[Speaker 4] (3:16:51 - 3:16:52)
abusive this is abuse

[Speaker 2] (3:16:52 - 3:16:53)
you're just going at this again. You just

[Speaker 4] (3:16:53 - 3:16:53)
abusive

[Speaker 2] (3:16:53 - 3:16:53)
keep doing

[Speaker 4] (3:16:53 - 3:16:54)
this is abusive power,

[Speaker 4] (3:16:54 - 3:16:55)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 2] (3:16:55 - 3:16:56)
This is your,

[Speaker 4] (3:16:56 - 3:16:56)
I wanna

[Speaker 2] (3:16:56 - 3:16:56)
you just

[Speaker 4] (3:16:56 - 3:16:57)
get this guy.

[Speaker 2] (3:16:57 - 3:17:05)
throw things out there and hope that they're gonna stick. You constantly make comments. I mean, July twenty second, you literally at this meeting

[Speaker 2] (3:17:05 - 3:17:10)
You made slanderous comments towards Gino Cresta and Katie Phelan.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:11 - 3:17:17)
You this is what you do you make these comments you want to make a comment then just make sure there's facts to back it up

[Speaker 4] (3:17:17 - 3:17:20)
Mariel, you're just deflecting from your responsibility here,

[Speaker 4] (3:17:20 - 3:17:22)
and I appreciate your apology,

[Speaker 4] (3:17:22 - 3:17:35)
but I think this entire board wants to ensure that your behavior is corrected and that when two new board members come on in a few weeks, that your behavior isn't repeated.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:37 - 3:17:45)
it because it is completely and utterly unacceptable and it has been for a long time you just got caught this time

[Speaker 5] (3:17:50 - 3:17:51)
Well, I will say this.

[Speaker 5] (3:17:52 - 3:17:58)
The behavior that occurred in this allegation is unacceptable and as

[Speaker 5] (3:17:59 - 3:18:00)
a board,

[Speaker 5] (3:18:00 - 3:18:00)
we agreed,

[Speaker 5] (3:18:00 - 3:18:02)
we signed a

[Speaker 5] (3:18:03 - 3:18:09)
Code of conduct and we agreed to hold ourselves to that standard and

[Speaker 5] (3:18:11 - 3:18:24)
That is what we did here and it's unfortunate that we had to do that and my commitment is to continue to do that if that is what needs to be done and it's it is important for two new members to come on

[Speaker 1] (3:18:47 - 3:18:53)
Um that is the commitment I make to the community at large because that's what you hired us to do. So

[Speaker 1] (3:18:56 - 3:19:01)
Um if there's no further discussion, then we will move on to the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:05 - 3:19:07)
Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda?

[Speaker 2] (3:19:07 - 3:19:10)
I need two things taken out of the consent agenda,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:10 - 3:19:12)
which two things?

[Speaker 2] (3:19:12 - 3:19:13)
and that is um

[Speaker 2] (3:19:14 - 3:19:21)
I don't have the March eighteenth. I didn't get the March eighteenth minutes. Need to get that. And

[Speaker 2] (3:19:23 - 3:19:25)
would you pull out the uh March second minutes.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:28 - 3:19:41)
So we will be the request is for the consent agenda to remove March second and March eighteenth and the vote I will t I mean, I'm sorry, the motion I will entertain now is approval of the consent agenda minus those two items.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:44 - 3:19:45)
Anybody?

[Speaker 3] (3:19:45 - 3:20:00)
Uh can I yeah I I apologize I just took note of the spending limit on the recreation of revolving revolving fund. I apologize, so either we can

[Speaker 3] (3:20:01 - 3:20:02)
Hold that, I'll just have a brief discussion

[Speaker 1] (3:20:02 - 3:20:02)
Increase

[Speaker 3] (3:20:02 - 3:20:03)
about it.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:03 - 3:20:05)
the spending limit of the Rec Revolving Fund for the current fiscal

[Speaker 3] (3:20:05 - 3:20:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:05 - 3:20:07)
year pursuant to MGL Chapter 53E1

[Speaker 3] (3:20:07 - 3:20:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:08 - 3:20:08)
slash

[Speaker 3] (3:20:08 - 3:20:08)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:20:08 - 3:20:09)
2.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:09 - 3:20:09)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:20:09 - 3:20:10)
Or half.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:10 - 3:20:10)
think.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:10 - 3:20:11)
Unclear if that

[Speaker 3] (3:20:11 - 3:20:11)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:20:11 - 3:20:11)
applies.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:11 - 3:20:14)
didn't catch that. I don't really have that in here anywhere.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:14 - 3:20:14)
Wait.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:14 - 3:20:15)
I didn't see that either at all.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:15 - 3:20:15)
Where

[Speaker 1] (3:20:15 - 3:20:16)
Wait.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:16 - 3:20:17)
is that? Okay, so can we just pull that

[Speaker 1] (3:20:17 - 3:20:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:17 - 3:20:18)
out for a

[Speaker 1] (3:20:18 - 3:20:18)
we'll

[Speaker 3] (3:20:18 - 3:20:18)
minute then?

[Speaker 1] (3:20:18 - 3:20:18)
pull it out.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:18 - 3:20:23)
Okay, let's approve the consensus agenda with that being pulled out and then we'll move that to

[Speaker 1] (3:20:24 - 3:20:26)
all the new business and we'll have a conversation about

[Speaker 3] (3:20:26 - 3:20:26)
it. Okay, thanks.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:26 - 3:20:31)
Okay, so motion to approve the consent agenda as amended.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:32 - 3:20:32)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:32 - 3:20:33)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:33 - 3:20:34)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (3:20:34 - 3:20:34)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:34 - 3:20:35)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:35 - 3:20:35)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:35 - 3:20:43)
Okay, so the minutes we will just move to the next week's consent agenda, we will talk about the increased spending limit, Nick.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:44 - 3:20:48)
Yeah, so the increase in the spending limit, and I was looking for the exact number,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:48 - 3:20:49)
I have not yet found it.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:51 - 3:20:56)
The at each town meeting we set the cap for the revolving accounts.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:57 - 3:21:13)
Uh we talked about this in like my first or second meeting when we were going into Clark that we anticipated that we would exceed that limit because we were adding programming and us adding expense because we pay for the instructors, we pay for the space prior to Clark, you know whatever the case may be. We we're at the point now that we

[Speaker 2] (3:21:13 - 3:21:13)
They're hitting it.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:13 - 3:21:22)
we don't want to pass the limit prior to the end of the fiscal year. So we're raising it mid-year, the only way it can be raised is a v a vote of the select board and the finance committee.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:23 - 3:21:30)
Whereas for town meeting we will have an updated number for next year that reflects what we anticipated actually being with

[Speaker 3] (3:21:30 - 3:21:36)
So we just we can do it without town like they can go we can pass it they can go above it even before town meeting votes

[Speaker 2] (3:21:36 - 3:21:37)
Only temporarily.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:21:37 - 3:21:38)
only temporarily

[Speaker 4] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
only for it's

[Speaker 3] (3:21:38 - 3:21:39)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
only And

[Speaker 4] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
for this

[Speaker 1] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
us

[Speaker 4] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
fiscal

[Speaker 1] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
and

[Speaker 4] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
year.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:39 - 3:21:40)
FinCom.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:40 - 3:21:40)
Ah

[Speaker 4] (3:21:40 - 3:21:41)
If

[Speaker 1] (3:21:41 - 3:21:41)
yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:41 - 3:21:46)
you and FinCom both do it and FinCom has a tentative it's on their agenda so that if you all talked about it.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:47 - 3:21:47)
Right

[Speaker 2] (3:21:47 - 3:21:48)
But there's no number in here.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:48 - 3:21:50)
I am looking for the number right now as I said it.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:50 - 3:21:50)
So that if I could

[Speaker 1] (3:21:51 - 3:21:52)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
well you

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
One

[Speaker 4] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
gotta

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
moment.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:52 - 3:21:56)
if I could just have a moment to try to find it I was actually reading the wrong

[Speaker 1] (3:21:56 - 3:22:00)
Shannon, for the consent agenda next week, could you please,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:00 - 3:22:11)
I believe because the appointment of Joseph Blood to the Poet Laureate Committee is replacing me as the select board.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:11 - 3:22:36)
appointment because this is the high school student that is coming on that we did not have and I was sitting in this seat for a period of time because we did not have a high school student so I don't I'm not I'm unsure I will formally resign publicly through this commentary right now if that is not enough and you need to put something on the consent agenda next week just let me know and we'll but I will formally resign to make room for Mr.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:36 - 3:22:37)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (3:22:37 - 3:22:37)
Blood

[Speaker 2] (3:22:38 - 3:22:43)
I also have I have a question on the approved can you take out the appr on the

[Speaker 1] (3:22:43 - 3:22:43)
We

[Speaker 2] (3:22:43 - 3:22:43)
consent

[Speaker 1] (3:22:43 - 3:22:43)
already

[Speaker 2] (3:22:43 - 3:22:43)
just

[Speaker 1] (3:22:43 - 3:22:44)
did it.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:44 - 3:22:45)
take out approval on

[Speaker 1] (3:22:45 - 3:22:46)
We already did it.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:46 - 3:22:46)
the bagel?

[Speaker 1] (3:22:46 - 3:22:47)
We just voted.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:47 - 3:22:48)
We just voted.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:48 - 3:22:50)
It's a hacker's licence that

[Speaker 1] (3:22:50 - 3:22:51)
We already

[Speaker 4] (3:22:51 - 3:22:51)
everything

[Speaker 1] (3:22:51 - 3:22:51)
approved it.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:51 - 3:22:54)
was in order as of yesterday, I believe.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:55 - 3:22:56)
You want to reconsider the vote?

[Speaker 2] (3:22:56 - 3:23:03)
Yeah, I want to reconsider the vote because oh well well first let me just on a hacker's license a person can just go anywhere in town and set up?

[Speaker 4] (3:23:03 - 3:23:08)
There were requests about the actual location that he would like to use, uh police provided

[Speaker 1] (3:23:08 - 3:23:08)
Police

[Speaker 4] (3:23:08 - 3:23:08)
feedback

[Speaker 1] (3:23:08 - 3:23:09)
are provided

[Speaker 4] (3:23:09 - 3:23:09)
told him

[Speaker 1] (3:23:09 - 3:23:09)
feedback.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:09 - 3:23:10)
exactly where

[Speaker 2] (3:23:11 - 3:23:14)
Where uh uh what where did I go wrong here? Where did I see it? 'Cause here's the packet.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:14 - 3:23:18)
We did not provide you the information that the police provided with locations because

[Speaker 2] (3:23:18 - 3:23:20)
I don't have anything in the

[Speaker 1] (3:23:20 - 3:23:20)
There's

[Speaker 2] (3:23:20 - 3:23:20)
packet.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:20 - 3:23:20)
Huck the Yeah, Huck

[Speaker 6] (3:23:20 - 3:23:21)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:21 - 3:23:21)
or absence.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:21 - 3:23:21)
Yeah, you do.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:21 - 3:23:24)
I don't know if you got your packet early and

[Speaker 2] (3:23:24 - 3:23:24)
This

[Speaker 1] (3:23:24 - 3:23:24)
maybe

[Speaker 2] (3:23:24 - 3:23:24)
is my packet.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:24 - 3:23:24)
didn't.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:24 - 3:23:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:25 - 3:23:25)
On

[Speaker 1] (3:23:25 - 3:23:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:26 - 3:23:26)
the back it says

[Speaker 6] (3:23:26 - 3:23:26)
Is

[Speaker 3] (3:23:26 - 3:23:26)
a hawker

[Speaker 6] (3:23:26 - 3:23:27)
it your packet?

[Speaker 3] (3:23:27 - 3:23:27)
application.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:28 - 3:23:28)
Huh?

[Speaker 2] (3:23:30 - 3:23:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:31 - 3:23:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:31 - 3:23:33)
On the one that I just was handed tonight.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:34 - 3:23:35)
Right there, I was just handed this. So

[Speaker 2] (3:23:38 - 3:23:41)
yeah, so I, you know what, I have a problem with giving

[Speaker 1] (3:23:41 - 3:23:50)
We actually do have have it says this is where he this is the area he'd like to park his bus and then he said there we actually do have that email in this packet.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:50 - 3:23:51)
I hear where it says,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:51 - 3:24:00)
thank you for supplying the photographs. Please be aware you cannot park 20 feet within an intersection. Please be aware to avoid any Chapter 90 issues regarding idling vehicles for more than five minutes.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:01 - 3:24:04)
Our recommendation to ensure your truck is not facing traffic,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:04 - 3:24:07)
it's faced towards the b-sides. As long as you park on the post office side of the curb,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:07 - 3:24:08)
that should be permissible.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:08 - 3:24:10)
If there are any public safety concerns or hazards,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:11 - 3:24:15)
we reserve the right to restrict your vehicle in the location it's parked. Please let me know if there's anything else we can do.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:16 - 3:24:17)
Have a wonderful day,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:17 - 3:24:17)
Ruben.

[Speaker 2] (3:24:21 - 3:24:23)
All right, so where is this going again?

[Speaker 2] (3:24:24 - 3:24:29)
I'm you know I'm sorry, this is just

[Speaker 2] (3:24:29 - 3:24:32)
Actually I'm not sorry, I'm just you know this just

[Speaker 2] (3:24:35 - 3:24:36)
was just given

[Speaker 2] (3:24:37 - 3:24:38)
tonight.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:44 - 3:24:45)
Okay, does anybody

[Speaker 1] (3:24:45 - 3:24:52)
And Mary Ellen can make a motion to reconsider the vote. If everybody wants to reconsider the vote, we can remove it from the consent agenda. Otherwise, it's already voted.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:52 - 3:24:58)
So does anyb ody, does anybody uh he wanna entertain Mary Ellen's second Mary Ellen's motion?

[Speaker 3] (3:24:58 - 3:24:59)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:00 - 3:25:02)
Okay. Danielle.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:02 - 3:25:03)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:03 - 3:25:06)
Okay. So we've passed it.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:07 - 3:25:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:07 - 3:25:08)
It's not

[Speaker 2] (3:25:08 - 3:25:08)
It

[Speaker 1] (3:25:08 - 3:25:08)
part

[Speaker 2] (3:25:08 - 3:25:08)
just,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:08 - 3:25:08)
of the

[Speaker 2] (3:25:08 - 3:25:09)
you know in the future,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:09 - 3:25:09)
February, it's very

[Speaker 2] (3:25:09 - 3:25:10)
in

[Speaker 1] (3:25:10 - 3:25:10)
important.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:10 - 3:25:10)
the future is

[Speaker 2] (3:25:11 - 3:25:18)
You know, can I get, can I get stuff in advance? Because just keep being handed this tonight.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:18 - 3:25:21)
No, Mary Ellen, we all get stuff at the same time, right? So

[Speaker 7] (3:25:21 - 3:25:22)
No, I actually

[Speaker 2] (3:25:22 - 3:25:26)
it's our responsibility to look at what we picked this up on, I picked this, I picked up my

[Speaker 8] (3:25:27 - 3:25:28)
packet on Friday.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:28 - 3:25:29)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (3:25:29 - 3:25:30)
It wasn't in my packet.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:30 - 3:25:40)
Okay, but it was tonight. So i it was it w it was handed out just before the meeting started. I mean, I I'm what I'm saying is can I have information prior to the beginning of a meeting.

[Speaker 3] (3:25:40 - 3:25:41)
Yeah, I mean that's fair. Um

[Speaker 2] (3:25:41 - 3:25:42)
Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:25:42 - 3:25:44)
obviously um so

[Speaker 2] (3:25:44 - 3:25:46)
We're we're talking about a consent agenda here.

[Speaker 8] (3:25:47 - 3:25:48)
This is not

[Speaker 4] (3:25:48 - 3:25:49)
It's a simple sale.

[Speaker 8] (3:25:49 - 3:26:13)
the the reason I'm bringing this up is because having vendors just parking say event is the can the vendor just park in front of the new bakery can the vendor park in front of you know one of our operating you know retail establishments I'm trying to make sure that we're doing everything we can to protect the businesses in this town we do not make any tax revenue whatsoever with somebody that comes in and just pulls up and starts

[Speaker 8] (3:26:13 - 3:26:15)
selling selling their goods

[Speaker 1] (3:26:15 - 3:26:28)
Okay, so this particular hawker is in frequent communication with the chief of police and town hall about where he will be parking and what is allowed and we have not had an issue thus far.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:39 - 3:26:40)
Did you find the yes numbers?

[Speaker 4] (3:26:40 - 3:26:47)
it's currently five hundred. We're raising it to six fifty so that we do not have to come back in the next two months for any reason whatsoever.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:48 - 3:26:48)
It is only

[Speaker 3] (3:26:48 - 3:26:48)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:26:48 - 3:26:48)
money

[Speaker 3] (3:26:48 - 3:26:49)
thought

[Speaker 4] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
that

[Speaker 3] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
there comes are a thousand

[Speaker 4] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
in.

[Speaker 3] (3:26:49 - 3:26:50)
and six hundred fifty thousand.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:51 - 3:26:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:51 - 3:26:55)
It is only for money that comes in that goes out to pay for things. It is not something where we're spending that.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:55 - 3:26:59)
This is money in money out, but we have a cap on every revolving account so that

[Speaker 4] (3:27:00 - 3:27:04)
We can over time build up retained earnings in any of them, and this is one of those ways that we protect it.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:04 - 3:27:11)
The $6.50 is just meant to make sure we're not coming back to you or the Finance Committee again as we get into hiring and planning and paying for things going into the summer.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:11 - 3:27:16)
Yeah, and as there's and as there's increased programming at the Clark School, there's increased n

[Speaker 1] (3:27:16 - 3:27:17)
Yes, need somewhere is

[Speaker 4] (3:27:17 - 3:27:17)
to

[Speaker 1] (3:27:17 - 3:27:17)
the busiest schedule

[Speaker 4] (3:27:17 - 3:27:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:18 - 3:27:18)
for programming,

[Speaker 1] (3:27:18 - 3:27:19)
so this is a great problem

[Speaker 4] (3:27:19 - 3:27:19)
It

[Speaker 1] (3:27:19 - 3:27:19)
to

[Speaker 4] (3:27:19 - 3:27:19)
makes

[Speaker 1] (3:27:19 - 3:27:20)
have.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:20 - 3:27:20)
it makes

[Speaker 1] (3:27:20 - 3:27:20)
And I

[Speaker 4] (3:27:20 - 3:27:20)
sense

[Speaker 1] (3:27:20 - 3:27:24)
applaud the rec director for having to get us to this point because

[Speaker 1] (3:27:26 - 3:27:29)
The revolving fund has been flowing in and out well.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:29 - 3:27:30)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:30 - 3:27:31)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:32 - 3:27:33)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (3:27:33 - 3:27:33)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:33 - 3:27:33)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:33 - 3:27:33)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:34 - 3:27:35)
Very good.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:36 - 3:27:41)
Select board report and comments. Would anybody like to make a comment that they have a meeting at tonight?

[Speaker 1] (3:27:44 - 3:27:45)
Great, seeing none.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:45 - 3:27:52)
I would like to thank Neil Beishimer and Emilio Rodriguez for being here tonight.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:53 - 3:27:53)
And Joe.

[Speaker 8] (3:27:54 - 3:27:55)
Do you want it once again?

[Speaker 8] (3:27:57 - 3:27:57)
That's it.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:58 - 3:27:58)
Perfect.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:59 - 3:28:19)
I I had a uh I think I mentioned this to you kind of in passing, but I'd like to make a formal request if I were meant to to ask Max since he was here today. I don't know if based on everything we're talking about if he would be back next week uh or not. But um I would love to get an update on uh whether it's from the

[Speaker 1] (3:28:36 - 3:28:39)
one million dollar plus grant opportunity.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:40 - 3:28:41)
Um from

[Speaker 2] (3:28:41 - 3:28:41)
Can you

[Speaker 1] (3:28:41 - 3:28:41)
Climate

[Speaker 2] (3:28:41 - 3:28:41)
put it in?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:41 - 3:28:41)
Leader.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:42 - 3:28:45)
You did not mention this to me. You mentioned this to me?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:45 - 3:28:46)
That's great.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:46 - 3:28:47)
You what?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
That's

[Speaker 3] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
great.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:48 - 3:28:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:49 - 3:28:49)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:49 - 3:28:49)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:28:49 - 3:29:01)
I w I I'll ask him, I should be able to give that update. In addition, we're submitting a green communities grant for weatherization of a few different buildings as part of the normal annual course that will be submitted at the end of this week.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:01 - 3:29:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:02 - 3:29:07)
So don't we have a pol we have a policy in place where we're supposed to be

[Speaker 3] (3:29:07 - 3:29:08)
Seeing grants that are

[Speaker 4] (3:29:08 - 3:29:08)
seeing grants

[Speaker 3] (3:29:08 - 3:29:09)
over a

[Speaker 4] (3:29:09 - 3:29:09)
and approving

[Speaker 3] (3:29:09 - 3:29:09)
certain dollar

[Speaker 4] (3:29:09 - 3:29:09)
grants

[Speaker 3] (3:29:09 - 3:29:10)
amount.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:10 - 3:29:10)
over

[Speaker 3] (3:29:10 - 3:29:11)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:29:11 - 3:29:12)
fifty thousand dollars.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:12 - 3:29:12)
Fifty thousand dollars.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:12 - 3:29:14)
Are these under fifty thousand?

[Speaker 2] (3:29:14 - 3:29:15)
I'll have to check.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:15 - 3:29:16)
Of course.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:22 - 3:29:24)
Anybody else motion motion to adjourn?

[Speaker 4] (3:29:24 - 3:29:24)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:25 - 3:29:26)
No, no. You have to make a

[Speaker 5] (3:29:26 - 3:29:26)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:29:26 - 3:29:26)
motion.

[Speaker 5] (3:29:26 - 3:29:26)
moved.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:26 - 3:29:27)
Motion to return.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:28 - 3:29:30)
Danielle is the first. David, will you second?

[Speaker 5] (3:29:30 - 3:29:30)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:30 - 3:29:31)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (3:29:31 - 3:29:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:31 - 3:29:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:31 - 3:29:32)
Aye. Thank you everyone.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:32 - 3:29:33)
Thanks.