[Speaker 1] (2:37 - 2:37)
play it again.

[Speaker 2] (2:38 - 2:48)
Good to go? Alright. W uh with that we'll start the Monday, April, thirteenth, twenty twenty six, meeting of the Schwab Scott Planning Board. Uh the first item on the agenda is the approval of past meeting minutes.

[Speaker 3] (2:50 - 2:51)
Time is there no?

[Speaker 2] (2:51 - 3:01)
Okay, alright, I d I didn't think so. Okay, so th we will skip over that. Um alright. Uh then w we will uh start with the um

[Speaker 2] (3:02 - 3:04)
Hearing for Petition 2521,

[Speaker 2] (3:04 - 3:07)
80 Puritan Road by Scott Miller,

[Speaker 2] (3:08 - 3:21)
requesting a site plan special permit to construct a porch and a new gabled roof resulting in approximately 754 square feet of additional living area within the top story of the existing structure in the A3 Zoning District.

[Speaker 2] (3:22 - 3:23)
Hey, Scott, how's it going?

[Speaker 4] (3:24 - 3:25)
Good. How are you?

[Speaker 2] (3:25 - 3:26)
Good.

[Speaker 2] (3:26 - 3:30)
So I was thinking that maybe for this we could start off and...

[Speaker 2] (3:31 - 3:33)
Maybe you could just give us a little like

[Speaker 2] (3:34 - 3:48)
lay of the land. I know that you know we've been going back and forth a little bit of like you know where we stand with the plans um and uh you know if just confirming that we have like the final set and everything and then um and then we can open up up to the board.

[Speaker 4] (3:49 - 3:55)
Yeah, yeah, these the plans that you're looking at are the final set that we wanted to do.

[Speaker 4] (3:57 - 4:02)
It basically comprises of taking off the roof,

[Speaker 4] (4:03 - 4:17)
the existing roof structure and turning it from a hip roof into a gable roof with a cupola on top and also a deck on top of a deck.

[Speaker 4] (4:19 - 4:21)
I will be moving the,

[Speaker 4] (4:21 - 4:26)
because the 6x6 post is a little closer than...

[Speaker 4] (4:26 - 4:33)
What's, you know, what you're able to get as it's a six foot on the side.

[Speaker 4] (4:33 - 4:39)
So I'll be moving that closer in towards the building to comply with zoning.

[Speaker 4] (4:42 - 4:44)
That's about it though really.

[Speaker 4] (4:44 - 4:47)
If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

[Speaker 2] (4:47 - 4:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (4:50 - 4:51)
Yeah, and I'll open it up to the board.

[Speaker 5] (5:03 - 5:04)
So,

[Speaker 5] (5:07 - 5:09)
one of the questions I had

[Speaker 5] (5:10 - 5:13)
on the site plan, and I don't know, um

[Speaker 5] (5:15 - 5:20)
I don't even know if I was at the last, oh, I think we just had to continue that one too.

[Speaker 5] (5:20 - 5:24)
But at any rate, I was just, I just want to kind of review some calculations in here.

[Speaker 5] (5:26 - 5:31)
Um and our building commissioner made some comments about

[Speaker 5] (5:31 - 5:32)
Um

[Speaker 5] (5:35 - 5:35)
the um

[Speaker 5] (5:37 - 5:41)
the fact that this is in the um

[Speaker 5] (5:44 - 5:56)
updated comments is just oh okay so he was talking about the fact that um the your third story um he wanted to uh be certain that the actual

[Speaker 5] (5:58 - 6:08)
um size of your third story was less than I think it's what do you have 1,800 square feet underneath it or 1,300 I forget.

[Speaker 4] (6:08 - 6:09)
I think it was

[Speaker 5] (6:09 - 6:09)
1,500.

[Speaker 4] (6:09 - 6:12)
15 and change, so it has to be half of that

[Speaker 5] (6:12 - 6:12)
So

[Speaker 4] (6:12 - 6:12)
to

[Speaker 5] (6:12 - 6:12)
right.

[Speaker 4] (6:12 - 6:14)
be a half story.

[Speaker 5] (6:14 - 6:15)
Right so seven

[Speaker 4] (6:15 - 6:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (6:15 - 6:18)
fifty and I mean

[Speaker 5] (6:18 - 6:24)
I did some quick and dirty calculations which could definitely be wrong okay so

[Speaker 4] (6:24 - 6:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (6:24 - 6:26)
I'm just saying that I

[Speaker 4] (6:26 - 6:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (6:26 - 6:28)
know how to measure everything perfectly but

[Speaker 4] (6:28 - 6:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (6:28 - 6:39)
I've got a number that was much larger than that so I guess I just wanted to walk through how we got to that calculation because mostly because it's

[Speaker 5] (6:41 - 6:47)
Visually, it looks like a significant height change and I'm not really seeing half a story there.

[Speaker 5] (6:47 - 6:50)
It reads like a full story,

[Speaker 5] (6:50 - 6:53)
so I just wanted to kind of go over that if you wouldn't mind.

[Speaker 4] (6:54 - 6:55)
Yeah, sure.

[Speaker 4] (6:55 - 6:58)
Yeah, basically it's 750.

[Speaker 4] (6:59 - 7:03)
I think it, well, the architect computed it, but.

[Speaker 4] (7:04 - 7:19)
I believe it's like seven foot three anything in that range and above would be living space anything below that is considered non-habitable or

[Speaker 5] (7:19 - 7:20)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (7:20 - 7:27)
so I guess that's how because there's a lot of dead area in the attic area

[Speaker 5] (7:27 - 7:29)
I see that.

[Speaker 5] (7:29 - 7:30)
And I'm looking at

[Speaker 5] (7:31 - 7:41)
Yeah, I'm looking at A10, page A10, which um I guess that's where I was taking the the measurements from.

[Speaker 6] (7:41 - 7:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (7:41 - 7:53)
So and it's possible I included that the stairwell so that um you know I'm not sure we typically calculate that or not to be open to be um honest.

[Speaker 6] (7:53 - 7:53)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (7:53 - 7:56)
So um

[Speaker 5] (7:58 - 7:59)
did it just I guess it just seemed.

[Speaker 5] (8:00 - 8:08)
uh in access to me so did anyone else get that have any confusion about that I'm just curious.

[Speaker 2] (8:09 - 8:11)
Can you say it again Angela? Sorry.

[Speaker 5] (8:13 - 8:27)
I'm getting a larger calculation on the third floor than the half story and I just want it to be sure that because it reads very much like a full story that we make sure we have our information straight.

[Speaker 2] (8:31 - 8:33)
So you're in the big set of parents?

[Speaker 5] (8:35 - 8:35)
Mm, it's

[Speaker 2] (8:35 - 8:35)
You're in the big set,

[Speaker 5] (8:35 - 8:36)
810.

[Speaker 2] (8:36 - 8:36)
eight ten.

[Speaker 2] (8:37 - 8:38)
I

[Speaker 5] (8:42 - 8:46)
And it does look like I've seen, obviously I'm not looking at the areas that say attic.

[Speaker 2] (8:48 - 8:57)
I th I think when I'm I I guess the question that I would have is what is there a definition of half story

[Speaker 5] (8:57 - 8:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (8:57 - 8:57)
versus

[Speaker 5] (8:57 - 8:58)
half the,

[Speaker 2] (8:58 - 8:58)
full story?

[Speaker 5] (8:58 - 8:59)
it has to be um

[Speaker 5] (9:00 - 9:08)
A 50% or under of the square footage of the st uh of this the floor beneath it, which is fifteen oh seven.

[Speaker 5] (9:11 - 9:14)
So essentially it's gotta be seven hundred and what? Fifty three and a half or something.

[Speaker 2] (9:17 - 9:18)
So these are uh

[Speaker 2] (9:20 - 9:22)
These are old drawings here,

[Speaker 5] (9:22 - 9:23)
so Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (9:29 - 9:35)
Um I guess one of the questions I would ask is are stairs counted in that?

[Speaker 7] (9:36 - 9:42)
And because when when I look at this, I think if I subtracted out the stairs

[Speaker 5] (9:43 - 9:47)
But we never subtract out stairs when we look at uh floor plans.

[Speaker 7] (9:47 - 9:48)
That's why I'm asking.

[Speaker 5] (9:48 - 9:51)
Yeah. That's why I add I added it in.

[Speaker 5] (9:59 - 9:59)
Well, maybe

[Speaker 1] (9:59 - 10:02)
So, I mean you can see like we have here it's like twelve

[Speaker 1] (10:04 - 10:06)
and then from one side to the other

[Speaker 1] (10:08 - 10:13)
is a total of thirty five three thirty five feet eight and a half inches.

[Speaker 1] (10:16 - 10:19)
So let's say for arguments sake we call it thirty six.

[Speaker 1] (10:21 - 10:22)
Um nine.

[Speaker 1] (10:22 - 10:33)
You have that and then you have it going the other way, but I also didn't criss-cross over and count the same the middle space twice. You know what I mean? So I just did those other two rooms by themselves.

[Speaker 2] (10:37 - 10:43)
I guess for them to be able to go though and like get their permits and everything, it's gonna have to be built to that

[Speaker 1] (10:43 - 10:50)
That's the thing, the as-built's gonna have to be like perfect and, you know, that's that's gonna impact the height and everything too, so

[Speaker 1] (10:52 - 11:02)
I mean in a way it protects you as well because you don't want to get to the point where you kind of get all the framing up and they're you know it's time for you to get a surveyor out there to get

[Speaker 2] (11:02 - 11:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (11:02 - 11:19)
the you know do an as-built and all of a sudden you went up too high you know so that's a that would not be a good place to be so I mean I don't want to nitpick something to death I just want to make sure that we have our ducks in a row that's all.

[Speaker 2] (11:20 - 11:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (11:22 - 11:22)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (11:24 - 11:27)
I'm trying to access my ki my uh So, would we consider just,

[Speaker 2] (11:27 - 11:30)
your My calculator. like, conditioning this This Looks on like I'm like that off uh

[Speaker 1] (11:30 - 11:30)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (11:30 - 11:33)
out of like a final review with um the building commissioner, something like that,

[Speaker 1] (11:33 - 11:34)
Do that.

[Speaker 2] (11:34 - 11:36)
just to ensure that Sure. the math lines up.

[Speaker 2] (11:37 - 11:39)
Um 'cause I don't know that we're gonna be able to

[Speaker 1] (11:39 - 11:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (11:39 - 11:43)
figure that out right now, but I think you're right that, you know,

[Speaker 2] (11:44 - 11:48)
we don't wanna have this be ninety percent up and then have an issue.

[Speaker 1] (11:48 - 11:49)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (11:50 - 11:51)
chain and a half.

[Speaker 2] (11:54 - 11:56)
So um

[Speaker 1] (11:58 - 12:00)
I go to two five nine.

[Speaker 1] (12:01 - 12:02)
I

[Speaker 1] (12:05 - 12:08)
could be um I'm just getting a little over that's all.

[Speaker 1] (12:09 - 12:11)
So I've already got like

[Speaker 2] (12:11 - 12:19)
Um I haven't added the closet in and my calculation is coming at nine oh seven without the extended closet bathroom.

[Speaker 3] (12:21 - 12:23)
Um which is

[Speaker 3] (12:27 - 12:38)
Uh fifteen fifteen oh eight if that is actually the square footage of the floor plane, that should be seven fifty four. So

[Speaker 1] (12:38 - 12:43)
If even if you did twelve so you call that like thirteen. And you do this, it's about gonna be

[Speaker 3] (12:44 - 12:45)
Yeah, so it's it's over by

[Speaker 3] (12:47 - 12:49)
150, so like a ten by fifteen foot room.

[Speaker 1] (12:49 - 12:51)
That's kind of what I was getting.

[Speaker 3] (12:51 - 12:54)
Yeah, yeah. So that that is that's definitely

[Speaker 4] (12:54 - 12:57)
Is that including the stairs? Is that includ

[Speaker 1] (12:57 - 12:58)
Well, ev it all

[Speaker 3] (12:58 - 12:58)
Everything

[Speaker 1] (12:58 - 12:59)
includes

[Speaker 3] (12:59 - 12:59)
includes the stairs

[Speaker 1] (12:59 - 13:00)
it because all includes it

[Speaker 3] (13:00 - 13:00)
the

[Speaker 1] (13:00 - 13:01)
has

[Speaker 3] (13:01 - 13:01)
uh

[Speaker 1] (13:01 - 13:01)
any

[Speaker 4] (13:01 - 13:03)
Oh, you include the stairs.

[Speaker 3] (13:03 - 13:03)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (13:03 - 13:03)
floor

[Speaker 3] (13:03 - 13:03)
you're

[Speaker 1] (13:03 - 13:04)
plan would.

[Speaker 3] (13:04 - 13:08)
you're um we're looking ta if we're looking to be at half

[Speaker 1] (13:08 - 13:09)
I'm even taking that closet.

[Speaker 3] (13:09 - 13:11)
the uh the fifteen

[Speaker 3] (13:15 - 13:19)
The fifteen oh eight is including the stairs. Um

[Speaker 4] (13:19 - 13:19)
Oh, right,

[Speaker 3] (13:19 - 13:20)
you know that,

[Speaker 4] (13:20 - 13:20)
right,

[Speaker 3] (13:20 - 13:21)
you know, so it's

[Speaker 4] (13:21 - 13:21)
right,

[Speaker 3] (13:21 - 13:21)
like an

[Speaker 4] (13:21 - 13:21)
right.

[Speaker 3] (13:21 - 13:21)
an actually

[Speaker 4] (13:21 - 13:22)
Yep, I gotcha.

[Speaker 3] (13:22 - 13:24)
that fifteen oh eight is including

[Speaker 4] (13:24 - 13:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (13:24 - 13:27)
the back stair and the front stair.

[Speaker 4] (13:27 - 13:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (13:27 - 13:32)
Um so, excuse me, at that point um

[Speaker 3] (13:36 - 13:36)
you know, that's a

[Speaker 3] (13:40 - 13:40)
So

[Speaker 1] (13:40 - 13:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (13:41 - 13:42)
there's even more stairs

[Speaker 1] (13:42 - 13:42)
You can

[Speaker 3] (13:42 - 13:42)
downstairs

[Speaker 1] (13:42 - 13:43)
get a 904 also.

[Speaker 3] (13:43 - 13:43)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (13:45 - 13:48)
I got 9.04 and I didn't include half the bathroom or the closet.

[Speaker 3] (13:48 - 13:49)
We go.

[Speaker 1] (13:51 - 14:13)
So that that was my concern is that I just don't, you know, what's gonna happen is because of the the amount of height you've got there because they are the room, so that is completely taking out the four corners that say attic and, you know, just using the rooms and um and not doubling over on the where it criss-crosses obviously, you know, that uh

[Speaker 1] (14:13 - 14:18)
We're not doing that. You know we're not looking at the cupola at all,

[Speaker 1] (14:18 - 14:26)
but it does, it just computes as more than fifty percent. So it's like you know um

[Speaker 1] (14:28 - 14:35)
what do you wanna do about it is is the answer. I mean I would want to confirm this with the building commissioner and just make sure that

[Speaker 1] (14:35 - 14:49)
I mean, and I think I'm, you know, I'm being super conservative with the like even when it says seventeen and you know three inch seventeen feet three inches, I'm just calling it seventeen. Like I'm just I'm being super conservative on every number and like I said, I left

[Speaker 2] (14:49 - 14:49)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (14:49 - 14:53)
out half the bath and the closet and I'm still getting nine oh four.

[Speaker 3] (14:54 - 14:56)
I I think the architect needs to be

[Speaker 3] (14:56 - 15:02)
some clarification, because I'm realising it says proposed layout, seven hundred and fifty four square feet. And

[Speaker 1] (15:02 - 15:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (15:02 - 15:03)
this isn't

[Speaker 1] (15:03 - 15:04)
if not getting it, that

[Speaker 3] (15:04 - 15:04)
it there's

[Speaker 1] (15:04 - 15:04)
we're not

[Speaker 3] (15:04 - 15:20)
no way to find that um with the dimensions that are here and the the uh the plan. Um I on inaccuracies on this or I I'm gonna just call them inaccuracies back on um

[Speaker 3] (15:26 - 15:28)
Sorry, I have to find the page now.

[Speaker 3] (15:29 - 15:35)
One of the drawings that we requested from the architect was showing the the um adjacent buildings.

[Speaker 3] (15:36 - 15:49)
And when that drawing was constructed, um the buildings aren't placed where they land on the lots. So if I can direct everybody over to

[Speaker 3] (15:52 - 15:55)
page A_ oh three point one.

[Speaker 3] (15:56 - 15:56)
Um

[Speaker 3] (15:58 - 16:05)
there's it's a stacked drawing before and after. If you look um

[Speaker 1] (16:05 - 16:06)
That's okay.

[Speaker 3] (16:06 - 16:11)
at images currently the house to the right, it's the very first

[Speaker 1] (16:11 - 16:11)
Same

[Speaker 3] (16:11 - 16:11)
it's

[Speaker 1] (16:11 - 16:12)
with

[Speaker 3] (16:12 - 16:13)
it's the very first page. Very far

[Speaker 1] (16:13 - 16:13)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (16:13 - 16:20)
on the beginning. So if you look um if you map the property,

[Speaker 3] (16:21 - 16:24)
just using very basic mapping skills,

[Speaker 3] (16:24 - 16:25)
The uh

[Speaker 1] (16:25 - 16:26)
It's a good act. I like

[Speaker 3] (16:26 - 16:26)
the

[Speaker 1] (16:26 - 16:26)
it.

[Speaker 3] (16:26 - 16:30)
the house has a driveway and a fence that's shown

[Speaker 3] (16:31 - 16:32)
um at eighty.

[Speaker 3] (16:33 - 16:37)
Puritan Road. And then the neighbouring yard has

[Speaker 3] (16:37 - 16:39)
like the as it's drawn

[Speaker 1] (16:41 - 16:41)
Sorry.

[Speaker 3] (16:41 - 16:42)
right there. That

[Speaker 1] (16:42 - 16:42)
Right

[Speaker 3] (16:42 - 16:42)
one right

[Speaker 1] (16:42 - 16:42)
in in

[Speaker 3] (16:42 - 16:43)
front. on top.

[Speaker 1] (16:43 - 16:44)
Right in front of me.

[Speaker 3] (16:44 - 16:49)
So if you look at the street view, there is a pedestrian gate

[Speaker 3] (16:50 - 16:57)
And that's all that fits between the house itself and the lot line online.

[Speaker 3] (16:59 - 16:59)
So

[Speaker 1] (16:59 - 17:03)
um you ta I mean tell me where you're talking about like here?

[Speaker 3] (17:08 - 17:09)
So in this drawing you see

[Speaker 1] (17:09 - 17:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (17:09 - 17:10)
eighty four

[Speaker 1] (17:10 - 17:10)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (17:10 - 17:12)
per yeah. and in eighty. Here's

[Speaker 1] (17:12 - 17:12)
Oh

[Speaker 3] (17:12 - 17:12)
eighty

[Speaker 1] (17:12 - 17:12)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (17:12 - 17:14)
four per and eighty.

[Speaker 1] (17:14 - 17:14)
Right, right.

[Speaker 3] (17:14 - 17:18)
And so this dimension is being represented

[Speaker 1] (17:19 - 17:20)
As much further apart,

[Speaker 2] (17:20 - 17:20)
As?

[Speaker 1] (17:20 - 17:29)
'cause this is when I look at it in iDrive, I just drove by and I was looking as well on the way and i it doesn't doesn't show the garages on either side either.

[Speaker 1] (17:29 - 17:31)
It just goes back here and that one's right there.

[Speaker 3] (17:32 - 17:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (17:32 - 17:33)
But those are pre-existing.

[Speaker 3] (17:33 - 17:34)
But if these are front, if this

[Speaker 1] (17:34 - 17:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (17:34 - 17:35)
is a

[Speaker 1] (17:35 - 17:35)
but

[Speaker 3] (17:35 - 17:35)
front elevation,

[Speaker 1] (17:35 - 17:35)
this is like

[Speaker 3] (17:35 - 17:35)
that's

[Speaker 1] (17:35 - 17:36)
super

[Speaker 3] (17:36 - 17:36)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (17:36 - 17:36)
close.

[Speaker 3] (17:36 - 17:42)
but this is, this width that's here is wider than the driveway and the entire lot

[Speaker 1] (17:42 - 17:42)
It

[Speaker 3] (17:42 - 17:42)
to

[Speaker 1] (17:42 - 17:42)
is.

[Speaker 3] (17:42 - 17:43)
the next house.

[Speaker 1] (17:43 - 17:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (17:43 - 17:44)
So this was drawn incorrectly.

[Speaker 1] (17:45 - 17:45)
That's, that's right.

[Speaker 4] (17:45 - 17:45)
In

[Speaker 1] (17:45 - 17:46)
Because it doesn't

[Speaker 4] (17:46 - 17:46)
a

[Speaker 1] (17:46 - 17:46)
really

[Speaker 4] (17:46 - 17:46)
way

[Speaker 1] (17:46 - 17:49)
show how close this little guy is to the house.

[Speaker 3] (17:49 - 17:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (17:49 - 17:49)
So here,

[Speaker 2] (17:50 - 17:51)
you know, I think this,

[Speaker 2] (17:51 - 17:57)
this has obviously been going back and forth for a while. And I think we probably just have to figure out whether or not we.

[Speaker 2] (17:58 - 18:00)
can approve this uh

[Speaker 1] (18:00 - 18:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (18:00 - 18:17)
application or not. So I'm thinking that we you know, I agree. Sure, like I don't know why this is shown this way, but I think we just need to focus on whether or not there are any additional items with the proposed, you know, project in and of itself

[Speaker 1] (18:18 - 18:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (18:18 - 18:22)
that we need to raise. And I guess the the one that I want, you know, I'm just going through the

[Speaker 2] (18:23 - 18:27)
Site plan special permit approval criteria,

[Speaker 2] (18:27 - 18:32)
right. And I'll read them here and if you know we end up approving them we're gonna run through them anyways

[Speaker 1] (18:32 - 18:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (18:32 - 18:36)
but I just think it's helpful. So number one is minimize volume of cut and fill,

[Speaker 2] (18:36 - 18:41)
number of removed trees, um I don't think that one really applies here.

[Speaker 2] (18:42 - 18:46)
Maximize pedestrian and vehicular safety on both site and egressing from it,

[Speaker 2] (18:46 - 18:48)
I don't see too many issues there.

[Speaker 2] (18:49 - 18:53)
minimize obstruction of scenic views from publicly accessible locations.

[Speaker 2] (18:54 - 19:18)
That one I think you know the cupola might raise some issues and I'll come back to that as we go further down. Uh minimize visual intrusion by controlling the visibility of parking, storage or other outdoor service areas. I don't think that's too applicable here. Minimize glare, I don't think there's you know we're not making any glare worse here.

[Speaker 2] (19:18 - 19:33)
Minimize unreasonable departure from the character, materials and scale of buildings in the vicinity as viewed from public ways and places. For that one, too, I think the cupola might raise some issues. Um minimize contamination of groundwater, I don't think we're too worried about that.

[Speaker 2] (19:34 - 19:38)
Ensure compliance with the provisions of this zoning by-law. Um

[Speaker 2] (19:39 - 19:44)
I think also with the height um you know raised by the cupola we might

[Speaker 2] (19:46 - 19:49)
We need to make sure that everything's lining up there along with the

[Speaker 1] (19:49 - 19:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (19:49 - 19:52)
uh dimensional issue that uh Angela raised.

[Speaker 1] (19:53 - 19:53)
So the

[Speaker 2] (19:53 - 19:54)
And then, sorry, there's just two more.

[Speaker 2] (19:54 - 19:55)
No, go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (19:55 - 19:58)
Minimize adverse traffic impact of the proposed project, I'm not worried about that.

[Speaker 2] (19:58 - 19:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (19:59 - 20:02)
And then minimize the hazard of coastal flooding. So I'm not too worried about that.

[Speaker 2] (20:02 - 20:02)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (20:02 - 20:14)
Um so from my perspective, the the mai the main thing that um is coming from me is the is the cupula, 'cause you know, I understand that

[Speaker 1] (20:14 - 20:15)
There's a waiver,

[Speaker 1] (20:16 - 20:20)
you know, you can get an exemption if it's a non-mechanical ventilation.

[Speaker 3] (20:21 - 20:26)
Rich, I think Rich was, he willing to agree that it was.

[Speaker 3] (20:26 - 20:26)
So

[Speaker 1] (20:26 - 20:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (20:26 - 20:32)
that we didn't have to include it. It was like a rooftop of pertinence, even though I think it's a little large for that.

[Speaker 3] (20:32 - 20:35)
But if that's what the building commissioner is,

[Speaker 3] (20:35 - 20:38)
you know, that's what he's happy going with then.

[Speaker 3] (20:39 - 20:42)
You know, I don't, and I don't know if any neighbors,

[Speaker 3] (20:42 - 20:52)
you know, behind you have an issue or I'm assuming that you, the abutters have been notified and have you had any comments from your neighbors next door or anything they've

[Speaker 4] (20:52 - 20:52)
Not

[Speaker 3] (20:52 - 20:53)
seen the

[Speaker 4] (20:53 - 20:53)
really.

[Speaker 3] (20:53 - 20:53)
plans?

[Speaker 4] (20:53 - 20:54)
I mean, our neighbors

[Speaker 3] (20:54 - 20:54)
Have they seen

[Speaker 4] (20:54 - 20:55)
are

[Speaker 3] (20:55 - 20:55)
the

[Speaker 4] (20:55 - 20:55)
very,

[Speaker 3] (20:55 - 20:55)
plans?

[Speaker 4] (20:55 - 21:00)
I didn't show them the plans.

[Speaker 4] (21:01 - 21:05)
I've talked to them, though. They know that I'm going to be doing a project there.

[Speaker 3] (21:05 - 21:12)
I've just particular concerns about the real the smaller house that's as I'm facing your house is just your right because especially

[Speaker 4] (21:12 - 21:12)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (21:12 - 21:17)
with the deck I mean you're like you're like just feet from there yeah

[Speaker 4] (21:17 - 21:17)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (21:17 - 21:18)
yeah, yeah

[Speaker 4] (21:18 - 21:25)
I want to do some privacy along that area so that, you know, I've talked to her about that as well.

[Speaker 3] (21:26 - 21:29)
well what what were you would what would you be thinking about like you know

[Speaker 4] (21:29 - 21:32)
Probably just, you know, just some.

[Speaker 4] (21:32 - 21:41)
uh uh like cedar board going down that sides on facing her so that gives her more privacy.

[Speaker 3] (21:42 - 21:43)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (21:43 - 21:45)
So I guess, you know, they've certainly had an opportunity uh

[Speaker 3] (21:45 - 21:45)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (21:45 - 21:46)
to

[Speaker 3] (21:46 - 21:46)
because

[Speaker 1] (21:46 - 21:46)
show

[Speaker 3] (21:46 - 21:46)
you

[Speaker 1] (21:46 - 21:46)
up.

[Speaker 3] (21:46 - 21:47)
know they have.

[Speaker 1] (21:47 - 21:47)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (21:47 - 21:48)
You're right.

[Speaker 1] (21:48 - 21:54)
uh I guess my my question is sort of do we need the cupula? Because I I thought that the you know, the original set of plans right didn't have it.

[Speaker 1] (21:55 - 22:22)
And then we came in and, you know, I think we said that you thought that maybe it would help with like the historic aspect of the building. And I think the HDC came in and said they really like your plans and that you're keeping the building, but that they were actually opposed to the cupula. And I'm also just a little worried about setting the precedent of, you know, adding this sort of thing there as a way for people to get height. I'm not saying that your, you know, waver isn't.

[Speaker 1] (22:22 - 22:27)
valve. I'm just worried about uh setting it, you know, uh im in

[Speaker 3] (22:27 - 22:28)
Take a precedent.

[Speaker 1] (22:28 - 22:28)
is as a precedent

[Speaker 3] (22:28 - 22:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (22:29 - 22:30)
and in considering the

[Speaker 1] (22:31 - 22:39)
prong in the site plan approval uh for, you know, minimising uh, you know variations from the character of the neighbourhood and that sort of thing. So

[Speaker 4] (22:40 - 22:46)
Yeah, I think architecturally, I think it looks better with the cupola than without,

[Speaker 1] (22:46 - 22:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (22:46 - 22:51)
especially when the ridges are all intersecting at the same point.

[Speaker 4] (22:51 - 22:55)
So I think that helps out that look.

[Speaker 4] (22:56 - 23:02)
And, you know, it used to be a schoolhouse in, you know, 1830 or whatever.

[Speaker 1] (23:02 - 23:02)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (23:02 - 23:03)
And so typically,

[Speaker 4] (23:03 - 23:07)
I mean, you'd see a lot of schoolhouses with a cupola on top.

[Speaker 1] (23:08 - 23:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (23:08 - 23:09)
I guess my question is.

[Speaker 1] (23:10 - 23:13)
Would you be okay with the project moving forward without the cupola? That's my that's

[Speaker 4] (23:13 - 23:14)
Well

[Speaker 1] (23:14 - 23:14)
my question.

[Speaker 4] (23:14 - 23:16)
I really prefer having the cupola and

[Speaker 3] (23:16 - 23:17)
What if it was

[Speaker 4] (23:17 - 23:17)
it's

[Speaker 3] (23:17 - 23:18)
a bit shorter?

[Speaker 4] (23:18 - 23:39)
and it's uh it's really yeah I mean if you I mean if you're concerned about climate change uh you know basically you're you don't have to turn on the AC as much because you all you had to do is open the window and it acts as a uh a draft going through the house so

[Speaker 3] (23:41 - 23:57)
One other thing I wanted to point out, and this kind of is a little, you know, more talk about height and that third half floor, is that where you're measuring the roof height is a little too low.

[Speaker 3] (23:57 - 24:02)
So your highest roof slope is right here, okay?

[Speaker 3] (24:03 - 24:18)
And it has to be halfway up that highest route roof slope and right now it's not it's only about a third of the way up and you are getting at that point you're getting 34.5 so you're just under you're six inches under your max.

[Speaker 4] (24:19 - 24:23)
Well, yeah, I mean, I guess a surveyor is,

[Speaker 4] (24:24 - 24:26)
you know, has to do that, has to confirm that,

[Speaker 4] (24:26 - 24:28)
those, you know.

[Speaker 4] (24:30 - 24:32)
Heights so

[Speaker 3] (24:32 - 24:37)
Well, but you have a surveyor that looked at these plans,

[Speaker 3] (24:37 - 24:37)
I thought.

[Speaker 4] (24:38 - 24:43)
Yeah, yeah, I mean they did the they did the calculations so

[Speaker 3] (24:43 - 24:43)
Okay, so,

[Speaker 3] (24:44 - 24:47)
but what I'm saying is it looks like it's going to be too high.

[Speaker 3] (24:47 - 24:49)
And not by a ton,

[Speaker 3] (24:49 - 24:52)
but, you know, if indeed we're right about the third floor,

[Speaker 3] (24:53 - 24:55)
then you're going to have to bring it down somewhat.

[Speaker 3] (24:56 - 24:57)
That's that's my concern

[Speaker 5] (24:57 - 24:58)
So, um

[Speaker 4] (25:01 - 25:01)
Well

[Speaker 5] (25:01 - 25:05)
I I have I have other concerns. There's a lot of discrepancies on the drawings.

[Speaker 5] (25:06 - 25:15)
Um if you're looking at page A_ O_ four, the that's where the the height came and it is actually mid dormer there.

[Speaker 3] (25:15 - 25:16)
Oh yeah, it is

[Speaker 5] (25:16 - 25:19)
In the rest of the drawings the dormer is drawn higher.

[Speaker 5] (25:20 - 25:22)
Um, one of the things that I

[Speaker 3] (25:22 - 25:22)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (25:22 - 25:23)
just,

[Speaker 3] (25:23 - 25:24)
it's completely different here.

[Speaker 5] (25:24 - 25:29)
I think it is is very difficult to consider approving plans

[Speaker 3] (25:29 - 25:30)
Oh no, I

[Speaker 5] (25:30 - 25:30)
where

[Speaker 3] (25:30 - 25:30)
see where he is. He's here.

[Speaker 5] (25:30 - 25:38)
every page shifts um because we don't know what we're approving, because there's two there's two many discrepancies one to the next.

[Speaker 5] (25:38 - 25:49)
Going back to the drawing showing the face of the street, um this isn't the street. And when I when I flip pages in there's there's inconsistencies where the dormer height,

[Speaker 5] (25:48 - 26:02)
height in almost every single drawing um is shown that it the peak of the dormer is meet matching the peak of the the front roof peak except for the one where the height is taken from.

[Speaker 5] (26:02 - 26:05)
Um it's just it there's a there's

[Speaker 4] (26:05 - 26:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (26:06 - 26:27)
a lot of discrepancy and it's why on page A_O_ three the dimension on the front that you pointed out says that the roof height is thirty four foot five. That's because on other drawings they weren't corrected over. Um so, you know, just from a a standpoint where this is

[Speaker 5] (26:29 - 26:48)
These are construction documents and we want to be careful when we're looking at construction documents, and to be honest with you, as a homeowner, you should be very careful, because these are the types of things when they build the wrong version, then there's a whole conversation about who pays to

[Speaker 5] (26:48 - 26:57)
do the the repair and and worse yet if they build the version that takes the roof height too high then we're really in trouble.

[Speaker 4] (26:57 - 27:00)
Well, I'm the I'm the guy that's building it.

[Speaker 5] (27:00 - 27:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (27:00 - 27:00)
So so

[Speaker 5] (27:00 - 27:01)
No

[Speaker 4] (27:01 - 27:01)
I

[Speaker 5] (27:01 - 27:01)
but yeah.

[Speaker 4] (27:01 - 27:04)
am I am going to make sure that it's built.

[Speaker 5] (27:04 - 27:12)
But these these drawings go into permanent record and they should be right.

[Speaker 5] (27:13 - 27:24)
Yeah, and that's getting back. The other issue with the proposed layout, and I'm not positive, and those of you that have been on the planning board longer,

[Speaker 5] (27:24 - 27:35)
my impression of a half floor has to do with that percentage being under a certain ceiling height.

[Speaker 3] (27:35 - 27:37)
seven feet.

[Speaker 3] (27:38 - 27:48)
Seven feet is the highest, is the highest, in other words it has to to be considered living space and to be included in the calculations, it needs to be seven feet tall.

[Speaker 5] (27:49 - 27:49)
So

[Speaker 3] (27:49 - 27:53)
So anything that goes under that, like if it's like this and then it kinda,

[Speaker 5] (27:53 - 27:53)
right.

[Speaker 3] (27:53 - 27:54)
you know, ends like

[Speaker 5] (27:54 - 27:54)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (27:54 - 27:55)
here's seven

[Speaker 5] (27:55 - 27:55)
but

[Speaker 3] (27:55 - 27:55)
feet

[Speaker 5] (27:55 - 27:55)
when you

[Speaker 3] (27:55 - 27:55)
and it keeps

[Speaker 5] (27:55 - 27:55)
have

[Speaker 3] (27:55 - 27:56)
going

[Speaker 5] (27:56 - 28:00)
when you have spaces that are over that height, how is that calculated?

[Speaker 3] (28:01 - 28:05)
It's just doesn't I mean it's just the space, it is what the ever the gross

[Speaker 3] (28:05 - 28:07)
square footage on the floor is

[Speaker 5] (28:07 - 28:12)
But shouldn't it be the gr the square footage that's over seven feet tall is what we're measuring or

[Speaker 3] (28:12 - 28:18)
No no not over seven feet seven feet or over seven feet is considered the livable height.

[Speaker 5] (28:18 - 28:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (28:18 - 28:22)
It can have a seven foot ceiling, that's considered uh

[Speaker 5] (28:22 - 28:23)
Oh no, but

[Speaker 3] (28:23 - 28:23)
calculable.

[Speaker 5] (28:23 - 28:25)
but what I'm what

[Speaker 3] (28:25 - 28:25)
If

[Speaker 5] (28:25 - 28:25)
my point

[Speaker 3] (28:25 - 28:25)
it's over

[Speaker 5] (28:25 - 28:25)
is

[Speaker 3] (28:25 - 28:30)
seven feet, if it's eight feet and then goes to nine feet, it's still we're still looking at the floor area.

[Speaker 5] (28:32 - 28:37)
Can you can you put if this was going to be storage space

[Speaker 5] (28:38 - 28:40)
Would we still be calculating at this

[Speaker 3] (28:40 - 28:40)
If

[Speaker 5] (28:40 - 28:40)
wire?

[Speaker 3] (28:40 - 28:42)
it's under seven feet, we wouldn't, no.

[Speaker 5] (28:43 - 28:48)
Yeah, so so my point is is if we have space in the on the third floor

[Speaker 3] (28:49 - 28:53)
Even if it's empty and there's no rooms there, if it's seven feet or over, it gets calculated.

[Speaker 5] (28:53 - 28:53)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (28:53 - 28:56)
so so really what's showing up here?

[Speaker 5] (28:56 - 29:01)
is likely that the whole building, there is a knee wall being added, and

[Speaker 4] (29:01 - 29:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (29:02 - 29:05)
that that knee wall needs to be likely adjusted

[Speaker 3] (29:05 - 29:06)
A little

[Speaker 5] (29:06 - 29:06)
to get,

[Speaker 3] (29:06 - 29:06)
shorter.

[Speaker 5] (29:06 - 29:10)
to get that. So these are significant drawing

[Speaker 3] (29:10 - 29:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (29:10 - 29:11)
changes that need to

[Speaker 3] (29:11 - 29:11)
they

[Speaker 5] (29:11 - 29:11)
happen.

[Speaker 3] (29:11 - 29:12)
are. But I mean, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (29:12 - 29:13)
I mean, I'm not an architect,

[Speaker 3] (29:14 - 29:20)
okay? But and it, yeah, sounds like it is to me, it just seems like and perhaps it's a simplistic view.

[Speaker 3] (29:21 - 29:30)
If, you know, if it's kind of dropped down and pulled in a bit on the top,

[Speaker 3] (29:30 - 29:33)
you know, that, I mean, it sounds easier said than done,

[Speaker 3] (29:33 - 29:41)
that you could essentially get the same, you know, what you want to do, but, you know, just need some adjusting so you can still

[Speaker 5] (29:41 - 29:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (29:42 - 29:42)
what

[Speaker 5] (29:42 - 29:42)
yeah

[Speaker 3] (29:42 - 29:47)
you want to build, but it's going to be a little, you're just going to drop it down a little bit,

[Speaker 3] (29:47 - 29:49)
which I think you have the room for.

[Speaker 1] (29:49 - 29:49)
and

[Speaker 2] (29:49 - 29:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (29:49 - 29:52)
bring down some roof height,

[Speaker 1] (29:52 - 29:56)
which I also think that it looks like you have the room for.

[Speaker 1] (29:56 - 29:59)
So, you know, again,

[Speaker 1] (30:00 - 30:00)
it would require,

[Speaker 1] (30:00 - 30:11)
but this, you know, no, we're not trying to like, you know, knock down the whole design or whatever you're doing, we want, you know, we're here to kind of.

[Speaker 1] (30:12 - 30:13)
We'd like to help you be

[Speaker 3] (30:13 - 30:13)
No,

[Speaker 1] (30:13 - 30:14)
able to go

[Speaker 3] (30:14 - 30:14)
I understand

[Speaker 1] (30:14 - 30:15)
where you want to go.

[Speaker 3] (30:15 - 30:16)
that.

[Speaker 1] (30:16 - 30:16)
We

[Speaker 3] (30:16 - 30:16)
I

[Speaker 1] (30:16 - 30:17)
don't want to get in trouble.

[Speaker 3] (30:17 - 30:17)
mean,

[Speaker 4] (30:17 - 30:18)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (30:18 - 30:19)
you guys have been certainly,

[Speaker 3] (30:19 - 30:21)
everyone's been very helpful

[Speaker 1] (30:21 - 30:21)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (30:21 - 30:22)
through

[Speaker 1] (30:22 - 30:22)
I'd rather,

[Speaker 3] (30:22 - 30:22)
the process.

[Speaker 1] (30:22 - 30:33)
you know, I hope, I mean, thank you. I hope you can see it that way because I really don't want you to get in a pickle with, you know, these heights and the sides of the third floor.

[Speaker 4] (30:36 - 30:40)
so if you guys just want to chime in.

[Speaker 4] (30:42 - 31:07)
Gross floor area, it is seven feet three inches is the height um for that calculation. Um which is pretty much what is reflected in the in the plan and I think that that came from a conversation with the building commissioner of that measurement. Um another thing I also wanna note is we haven't opened the public hearing yet um and that's just something that still needs to happen. So I I wanted to just make that note as well.

[Speaker 1] (31:07 - 31:07)
So

[Speaker 5] (31:07 - 31:08)
Yeah, thanks, Krista.

[Speaker 1] (31:08 - 31:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (31:12 - 31:15)
Okay, well on that note, I think

[Speaker 3] (31:16 - 31:33)
But I mean, that does it does it make sense the to get the square footage down the the the knee wall has to drop because even if you reduce the floor planes and you have spaces that are inside the storage area that are over that seven foot three.

[Speaker 7] (31:33 - 31:35)
We we haven't solved the problem.

[Speaker 1] (31:35 - 31:35)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (31:35 - 31:39)
So that's that's where that's where I'm concerned um

[Speaker 7] (31:41 - 31:51)
in here. These are also drawn at seven foot two according to this. But that's to the top of the It looks like it would cover it.

[Speaker 6] (31:52 - 31:54)
Alright, let's a bit open up to public comment for a minute

[Speaker 1] (31:54 - 31:54)
sure, Okay.

[Speaker 6] (31:54 - 31:58)
and then go back. Um any one geared?

[Speaker 6] (32:00 - 32:01)
We're online for public comment.

[Speaker 4] (32:07 - 32:11)
Please use the raise your hand function if you wish to speak and you're on the team's call.

[Speaker 6] (32:20 - 32:21)
That one?

[Speaker 6] (32:23 - 32:24)
Okay, fine.

[Speaker 6] (32:25 - 32:25)
Um

[Speaker 6] (32:27 - 32:27)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (32:28 - 32:31)
So I guess, you know, obviously there's some discrepancies.

[Speaker 6] (32:31 - 32:31)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (32:32 - 32:33)
I,

[Speaker 6] (32:33 - 32:34)
I, I overall,

[Speaker 6] (32:34 - 32:37)
I like this project and I want this project to move forward.

[Speaker 1] (32:37 - 32:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (32:37 - 32:38)
I want us to

[Speaker 1] (32:38 - 32:38)
me too.

[Speaker 6] (32:38 - 32:45)
improve it. I just need to figure out what we need to condition it on basically to, uh, to get us there.

[Speaker 6] (32:45 - 32:47)
So, uh,

[Speaker 6] (32:47 - 32:50)
I don't know if anybody has any thoughts on that.

[Speaker 1] (32:52 - 32:52)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (32:52 - 32:53)
You know, matter,

[Speaker 6] (32:53 - 33:02)
if there's a way that we can have this go back to the building commissioner and they can make whatever administrative changes are necessary or something like that to bring it into compliance.

[Speaker 1] (33:03 - 33:16)
could we, can we vote to to say that to um to say that we found the the findings and I'm just I don't know this because I've never run up against anything like this I'm just wondering if we can vote to say

[Speaker 1] (33:17 - 33:29)
you know, that the, you know, kind of be specific about the reductions that need to happen in terms of meeting the square footage on the third floor and just making sure that those,

[Speaker 1] (33:30 - 33:42)
the heights are accurate so that when he has to go back and get a surveyor, you know, to do an as-built, you're not finding you're going to start taking stuff down, you know, that's a terrible situation, so.

[Speaker 1] (33:43 - 33:56)
um you know is there any way we can do that I don't think we've ever done it before where we've said here's the condition and you know you go do it and then get it signed off by the building commissioner I mean

[Speaker 1] (33:57 - 33:59)
I just without you having to come back to us again.

[Speaker 7] (34:00 - 34:13)
I I apologize, but I I think the amount of change that needs to happen, it that would not be appropriate um because I don't think we can imagine what we're reviewing once those changes are made,

[Speaker 7] (34:13 - 34:17)
because it's a significant change that impacts building height,

[Speaker 7] (34:18 - 34:20)
elevation, floor plan,

[Speaker 7] (34:21 - 34:24)
um and I just don't think it's best practice to

[Speaker 7] (34:24 - 34:39)
to do that. And I think um I mean my I would I making a comment about it. It is not good to have drawings on record with notes that there should be changes that aren't

[Speaker 1] (34:39 - 34:40)
Okay, now you I'm sure you're right.

[Speaker 1] (34:41 - 34:43)
I'm just trying to think about.

[Speaker 1] (34:45 - 34:47)
giving him a break. I'm just trying to make something

[Speaker 7] (34:47 - 34:48)
But

[Speaker 1] (34:48 - 34:48)
a

[Speaker 7] (34:48 - 34:48)
it's

[Speaker 1] (34:48 - 34:48)
little easier.

[Speaker 7] (34:48 - 34:51)
it's a place where I don't Now I I'm

[Speaker 1] (34:51 - 34:51)
I actually

[Speaker 7] (34:51 - 34:54)
not that I don't want to give you a break, but it's really not what the town should

[Speaker 1] (34:54 - 34:54)
No,

[Speaker 7] (34:54 - 34:54)
have won you by

[Speaker 1] (34:54 - 34:54)
I I think

[Speaker 7] (34:54 - 34:55)
over the planning

[Speaker 1] (34:55 - 34:55)
you're right.

[Speaker 7] (34:55 - 34:56)
board should have a history

[Speaker 1] (34:56 - 35:01)
I think you're right. I mean, I do think you're right. That was my my suggestion was just based on uh

[Speaker 6] (35:03 - 35:03)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (35:03 - 35:03)
I

[Speaker 6] (35:03 - 35:03)
but I guess

[Speaker 1] (35:03 - 35:08)
think you've been here a bunch of times. I'm hoping we can get you to where you want to go. I mean, you

[Speaker 6] (35:08 - 35:09)
where where this

[Speaker 1] (35:09 - 35:09)
know, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (35:09 - 35:27)
comes under our jurisdiction though just because there's an addition of 500 square feet of living space right like I don't know that we necessarily as long as that that interior living space however it's configured is configured in a way that is compliant with the zoning by Well, law

[Speaker 1] (35:27 - 35:29)
that's the idea. It's not compliant with

[Speaker 6] (35:29 - 35:29)
no

[Speaker 1] (35:29 - 35:29)
the zoning

[Speaker 6] (35:29 - 35:30)
no law. I know I know but

[Speaker 6] (35:30 - 35:31)
But, but you know,

[Speaker 1] (35:31 - 35:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (35:31 - 35:39)
you know, we're we're approving the exterior uh and then he has to go and do whatever he has to do

[Speaker 1] (35:39 - 35:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (35:39 - 35:40)
and make the But interior

[Speaker 7] (35:40 - 35:40)
the exterior

[Speaker 6] (35:40 - 35:40)
compliant.

[Speaker 7] (35:40 - 35:46)
will change. This is not what the exterior will look like because you can't make those changes without it impacting the

[Speaker 1] (35:46 - 35:47)
Alright, so there's

[Speaker 7] (35:47 - 35:55)
the exterior. And the other the other one is this set of drawings that we're supposed to be reviewing is

[Speaker 7] (35:56 - 36:01)
This is, the drawing is here, but the drawing is so inaccurate, it's off by a whole house space.

[Speaker 6] (36:01 - 36:06)
I know, but that that that drawing though is something that we requested. I don't know that he necessarily has to

[Speaker 7] (36:06 - 36:07)
Uh, I thought

[Speaker 6] (36:07 - 36:07)
provide

[Speaker 7] (36:07 - 36:07)
it was

[Speaker 6] (36:07 - 36:07)
that.

[Speaker 7] (36:07 - 36:09)
part of the

[Speaker 6] (36:10 - 36:11)
You have to provide a plot

[Speaker 3] (36:11 - 36:11)
Wait.

[Speaker 1] (36:11 - 36:12)
Well, we asked

[Speaker 6] (36:12 - 36:12)
plan,

[Speaker 1] (36:12 - 36:12)
for a streetscape.

[Speaker 6] (36:12 - 36:13)
but we you just asked

[Speaker 7] (36:13 - 36:13)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (36:13 - 36:13)
for

[Speaker 7] (36:13 - 36:14)
we

[Speaker 6] (36:14 - 36:14)
that.

[Speaker 7] (36:14 - 36:15)
we asked for streetscape,

[Speaker 1] (36:15 - 36:15)
We did.

[Speaker 7] (36:15 - 36:20)
but the reason was the how close the

[Speaker 7] (36:21 - 36:23)
The upper deck was to that neighboring house.

[Speaker 1] (36:23 - 36:23)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (36:23 - 36:27)
Right, but I don't think that that is a

[Speaker 7] (36:27 - 36:27)
I

[Speaker 6] (36:27 - 36:27)
requirement.

[Speaker 7] (36:27 - 36:28)
guess it's not required for a.

[Speaker 1] (36:28 - 36:29)
It's not a requirement.

[Speaker 7] (36:29 - 36:34)
It's over what because we have had that required on other projects, but that

[Speaker 1] (36:34 - 36:34)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (36:34 - 36:36)
has to do with how many units are in the building.

[Speaker 1] (36:36 - 36:37)
right.

[Speaker 1] (36:39 - 36:40)
Yeah, it's not um

[Speaker 1] (36:42 - 36:44)
with this house it's it's not a requirement.

[Speaker 7] (36:44 - 36:46)
If it were open for public comment, right?

[Speaker 6] (36:47 - 36:49)
No, w I c I close public comment.

[Speaker 4] (36:49 - 36:50)
I think you need to officially pu

[Speaker 1] (36:50 - 36:50)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (36:50 - 36:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (36:51 - 36:51)
close the public hearing.

[Speaker 7] (36:52 - 36:53)
Uh ha are there any comments

[Speaker 6] (36:53 - 36:53)
Well

[Speaker 7] (36:53 - 36:54)
from the room?

[Speaker 6] (36:54 - 36:58)
I don't think so. Right? You're not here for this one?

[Speaker 6] (36:59 - 37:01)
No, I know you, but the gentleman behind you.

[Speaker 6] (37:02 - 37:06)
Okay, yeah. Uh so we'll we'll close public comment. Sorry, I thought I did that.

[Speaker 1] (37:08 - 37:10)
So do we want to

[Speaker 1] (37:13 - 37:41)
Then make a just what I'd like to give you then is a list of really specific you know changes that we want to see and whether like Jerry you seem to have picked up more about the you know inaccuracies which I noticed now that you mentioned to me you know in drawing to drawing so if we can just kind of get that straightened away and it could be that it was corrected one place and then not.

[Speaker 1] (37:41 - 37:59)
you know subsequently corrected on another sheet or something like that but we've got to get this roof the third story is an issue and that's got to be that to me is is the biggest issue and the reason it's the biggest issue is because it it sets precedent that we can't

[Speaker 1] (38:00 - 38:12)
And we have a two and a half story conditions that are all over town for a variety of structures and so forth and, you know, all we have to do is let one go and make a

[Speaker 3] (38:12 - 38:12)
No,

[Speaker 1] (38:12 - 38:13)
mistake somewhere

[Speaker 3] (38:13 - 38:13)
I understand

[Speaker 1] (38:13 - 38:14)
and then

[Speaker 3] (38:14 - 38:14)
totally.

[Speaker 1] (38:14 - 38:16)
that could be the precedent that's been Yeah, set

[Speaker 3] (38:16 - 38:16)
I...

[Speaker 1] (38:16 - 38:22)
and that's on us, you know, so what I'd like to do is we can get really specific about.

[Speaker 1] (38:23 - 38:29)
You know, getting the points together and saying exactly, you know, where we think the change has to be made.

[Speaker 1] (38:29 - 38:34)
And then maybe you could, if you want to make some changes, we could even, you could have a private meeting with staff,

[Speaker 1] (38:34 - 38:39)
a town hall and, you know, Jer could go and, you know, Joe,

[Speaker 1] (38:39 - 38:41)
if he wants, or me or some,

[Speaker 1] (38:41 - 38:41)
or,

[Speaker 1] (38:41 - 38:42)
you know, Bill,

[Speaker 1] (38:43 - 38:46)
these guys are typically more tied up during the day than.

[Speaker 1] (38:47 - 39:00)
Than I am but I mean I'm just offering to kind of look at something like that So we make sure that when you come back we are ready to just go You know we're not going to have to go through anything like this again.

[Speaker 1] (39:00 - 39:08)
I really hate to I really don't like having to put you through that but you know I do see the importance of it

[Speaker 3] (39:11 - 39:15)
Okay, so I guess redraw. Is that what I'm hearing?

[Speaker 7] (39:15 - 39:16)
Redraw.

[Speaker 3] (39:16 - 39:16)
No.

[Speaker 1] (39:16 - 39:21)
Yeah. The third uh third floor, which will affect the roof as well.

[Speaker 3] (39:21 - 39:25)
And streetscape, he I mean he he mentioned streetscape.

[Speaker 7] (39:26 - 39:29)
So if this if the streetscape, I mean

[Speaker 7] (39:30 - 39:37)
we didn't when we first said this, we didn't make it I guess clear enough to the architect,

[Speaker 7] (39:37 - 39:39)
but um I mean

[Speaker 7] (39:41 - 39:43)
there's no po if we aren't requiring this drawing

[Speaker 1] (39:43 - 39:44)
Right, and

[Speaker 2] (39:44 - 39:52)
And you know again if they're you know neighbors as you mentioned Joe certainly if others have had an opportunity to attend and speak and

[Speaker 2] (39:53 - 39:53)
Um

[Speaker 1] (39:54 - 39:57)
So I I would actually have this drawing removed from the set

[Speaker 2] (39:57 - 39:58)
That

[Speaker 1] (39:58 - 39:58)
because

[Speaker 2] (39:58 - 39:59)
we can take it out.

[Speaker 1] (39:59 - 40:04)
there's no it it doesn't have any base on reality so there's no reason for it to be part of a submitted

[Speaker 2] (40:04 - 40:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (40:05 - 40:05)
set.

[Speaker 2] (40:05 - 40:08)
I'm I'm okay with that. What about you Bill, did

[Speaker 3] (40:08 - 40:08)
Yep,

[Speaker 2] (40:08 - 40:08)
you?

[Speaker 3] (40:08 - 40:14)
that's fine. So, um for as far as the third floor goes, uh that's a vaulted ceiling inside, is that

[Speaker 1] (40:14 - 40:15)
I'm sorry, I didn't

[Speaker 3] (40:15 - 40:15)
The

[Speaker 1] (40:15 - 40:16)
hear you.

[Speaker 3] (40:16 - 40:20)
third floor ceiling is uh like a vaulted ceiling, so the middle section is very tall, right?

[Speaker 1] (40:20 - 40:27)
Yeah, the uh in the in the front, yeah. In the living room area, that's tall, right. Yep.

[Speaker 2] (40:27 - 40:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (40:27 - 40:28)
And the rest is

[Speaker 3] (40:28 - 40:29)
Are there any opportunities for

[Speaker 1] (40:29 - 40:31)
basically eight eight feet uh eight

[Speaker 2] (40:31 - 40:31)
I

[Speaker 1] (40:31 - 40:32)
feet,

[Speaker 2] (40:32 - 40:32)
think I think

[Speaker 1] (40:32 - 40:32)
or whatever.

[Speaker 2] (40:32 - 40:33)
it's still

[Speaker 3] (40:33 - 40:39)
Any opportunities to make them less than seven two, but then you can't have it in living space, right? That was the case.

[Speaker 2] (40:39 - 40:39)
Oh, I

[Speaker 2] (40:40 - 40:44)
I Hello. I mean, I would think even if you took in

[Speaker 3] (40:44 - 40:44)
Go to the other

[Speaker 2] (40:44 - 40:45)
like if view, Rafi just just do,

[Speaker 3] (40:45 - 40:46)
you can see.

[Speaker 2] (40:46 - 40:49)
you know, like this, I don't know, I mean.

[Speaker 3] (40:50 - 40:53)
If you go to the other view, you can see inside a little better.

[Speaker 1] (40:54 - 40:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (40:54 - 40:55)
Eight ten.

[Speaker 2] (40:55 - 40:57)
I'm right back where I was, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (40:59 - 41:02)
No, I'm sorry. That wasn't where I wanted to

[Speaker 2] (41:05 - 41:05)
Um

[Speaker 3] (41:05 - 41:06)
this one, I guess.

[Speaker 3] (41:17 - 41:24)
So so in here it's 7 2 which is below the usual floor space right. But that that's just dead space.

[Speaker 1] (41:24 - 41:34)
That's the actual dimension that's put in there is is the top of the um top of the beam and the ceiling height if you see it's impossible to zoom in

[Speaker 1] (41:35 - 41:36)
Um

[Speaker 1] (41:37 - 41:48)
the sheet rock would meet the ceiling the the wall sheet rock would meet the ceiling at seven three there for some reason the architect called out the the um the top of the

[Speaker 3] (41:48 - 41:48)
the

[Speaker 1] (41:48 - 41:53)
thing. structure instead of the um the finish space.

[Speaker 2] (42:00 - 42:01)
Okay, I see what you mean, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (42:04 - 42:05)
All right, so

[Speaker 2] (42:07 - 42:17)
can we, you think we can come up with a list of of specific criteria that need to be corrected and how, you know, by how much, to just give a

[Speaker 1] (42:18 - 42:22)
Well, the the square footage of the livable space

[Speaker 2] (42:22 - 42:23)
It should drive

[Speaker 1] (42:23 - 42:23)
which all equals

[Speaker 2] (42:23 - 42:24)
that, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (42:24 - 42:29)
seven foot three, um in the minimum ceiling height

[Speaker 1] (42:29 - 42:34)
needs to be reduced to half of the

[Speaker 1] (42:35 - 42:39)
square footage of the other floors of the house.

[Speaker 1] (42:41 - 42:41)
I

[Speaker 2] (42:42 - 42:43)
Seven fifty three five.

[Speaker 1] (42:44 - 42:48)
also believe that doesn't necessarily mean you have to make your room smaller,

[Speaker 1] (42:48 - 42:53)
you just have to make the space that's under seven foot three smaller,

[Speaker 4] (42:53 - 42:53)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (42:53 - 42:56)
which means that you can continue those slopes down

[Speaker 1] (42:57 - 43:01)
Typically a knee wall in an upper floor can

[Speaker 2] (43:01 - 43:02)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (43:02 - 43:04)
be as low as four or five feet.

[Speaker 1] (43:04 - 43:10)
So this really isn't a reduction of space. It's a reduction in space under seven foot.

[Speaker 1] (43:11 - 43:13)
Excuse me, over seven foot three.

[Speaker 5] (43:14 - 43:18)
Yeah. Yeah, you want yeah, anything above seven foot three is

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:18)
Is

[Speaker 5] (43:18 - 43:19)
counted

[Speaker 1] (43:19 - 43:19)
counted

[Speaker 5] (43:19 - 43:21)
as is counted as square footage.

[Speaker 1] (43:21 - 43:22)
realistically,

[Speaker 1] (43:22 - 43:25)
that's that's the calculation that we need.

[Speaker 5] (43:25 - 43:25)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (43:25 - 43:28)
Um but the way this is drawn,

[Speaker 1] (43:28 - 43:38)
I I think it's probably likely that if you took you shortened the the knee wall that you're adding or eliminated it.

[Speaker 1] (43:38 - 43:44)
you would bring this square footage under seven foot three down.

[Speaker 1] (43:45 - 43:47)
You'd have sloped edges,

[Speaker 5] (43:47 - 43:47)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 1] (43:47 - 43:47)
but

[Speaker 5] (43:47 - 43:48)
brings

[Speaker 1] (43:48 - 43:51)
no sloped edges are going into sloped edges. It just means they'd start lower.

[Speaker 1] (43:52 - 43:58)
Seven foot three, you know, I'm not six feet. That's fifteen inches taller, sixteen inches taller than I am.

[Speaker 1] (43:59 - 44:07)
So that's not a low ceiling, and especially if it's just cut at the corner. So I think the architect um the way these are drawn

[Speaker 1] (44:08 - 44:19)
is actually minimizing your square foot s your square footage on that third floor significantly more than it needs to be minimized. Um

[Speaker 1] (44:20 - 44:28)
so I think it's likely if you lowered this roof down you could have the same amount of floor space,

[Speaker 2] (44:29 - 44:30)
That's what I was thinking.

[Speaker 1] (44:30 - 44:32)
but you're still

[Speaker 1] (44:33 - 44:53)
or possibly more, depending on how you go out into that area that's under seven foot three. Um so it isn't really rating that. The other thing is in a space like this with um with a raised ceiling that's following the rafters um your sense of the space,

[Speaker 1] (44:53 - 44:58)
it's gonna seem very very high. Um it's significantly higher than

[Speaker 1] (44:59 - 45:10)
Um, I don't have a scale, but you know, it is it's significantly higher than the spaces on the lower floors. So our or on the second floor.

[Speaker 1] (45:11 - 45:27)
So I it's it's just a you know, this should be relatively easy in the fact that these are are computer drafted, it should be even easier um to to correct. Um making sure that the

[Speaker 1] (45:27 - 45:39)
as we turn corners, um that the elevations match um is is going to be important. So on page

[Speaker 1] (45:41 - 45:48)
so one of our notes is gonna be eliminating A dash O three dot zero

[Speaker 2] (45:48 - 45:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (45:48 - 45:50)
one on

[Speaker 2] (45:50 - 45:50)
I got

[Speaker 1] (45:50 - 45:54)
a page it just needs to be determined

[Speaker 1] (45:55 - 46:03)
By right now, if your dormer and your main ridge line are equal,

[Speaker 1] (46:04 - 46:13)
yes, then the drawing on page A_ dash zero six needs to be corrected.

[Speaker 1] (46:14 - 46:20)
So the ridge line of the dormer and the ridge line of the the main sloped roof are equal.

[Speaker 5] (46:20 - 46:21)
Right, yep.

[Speaker 1] (46:26 - 46:48)
And hopefully doing the uh the the bringing down the knee walls hopefully that will not have any changes to your floor plan just to your square footage but what needs to show up in a plan

[Speaker 1] (46:49 - 46:51)
is that documentation

[Speaker 1] (46:53 - 47:02)
that the floor plan under the seven foot three ceiling height is equal to your your half, your seven fifty four,

[Speaker 2] (47:02 - 47:02)
'Cause that's

[Speaker 1] (47:02 - 47:07)
that's being called. So that should be sketched in as um

[Speaker 1] (47:09 - 47:11)
That should be sketched into the plans. Your architect

[Speaker 5] (47:11 - 47:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (47:11 - 47:12)
would know how

[Speaker 5] (47:12 - 47:12)
and

[Speaker 1] (47:12 - 47:12)
to do

[Speaker 5] (47:12 - 47:12)
to the

[Speaker 1] (47:12 - 47:12)
it.

[Speaker 5] (47:12 - 47:15)
floor so you you can see the square footage.

[Speaker 1] (47:16 - 47:18)
Correct. And it and generally that

[Speaker 5] (47:18 - 47:18)
Maybe

[Speaker 1] (47:18 - 47:18)
would be

[Speaker 5] (47:18 - 47:20)
do that in red or something.

[Speaker 1] (47:20 - 47:25)
You can do it as in a dashed line. I mean he's using section cut lines that he draws all the way through.

[Speaker 5] (47:26 - 47:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (47:26 - 47:36)
These could could easily occur reflecting on what the ceiling is um in a dashed format. It's not a difficult um

[Speaker 1] (47:37 - 47:46)
it's not a difficult thing to show in in rendering and it's showing up you know part of it's going to show up in a closet and part of it is uh going to show up

[Speaker 5] (47:47 - 47:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (47:48 - 47:49)
you know along the walls.

[Speaker 1] (47:53 - 47:58)
Um when these changes are made they also should show up on page S_ zero one.

[Speaker 2] (47:59 - 48:00)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (48:06 - 48:07)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (48:09 - 48:31)
one of the things we discussed when we met and went over drawings together um was the possibility, I still am not just from a design standpoint, the dormers are are sort of ill proportioned and tall and I would love for the architect when he's doing this to explore instead of expressing

[Speaker 1] (48:32 - 48:38)
the the two dormers as dormers um expressing this roof as a double

[Speaker 1] (48:39 - 48:59)
uh a double peaked roof um because I think that these that we don't have any renderings that show it, but when you look at the amount of wall on the sides of these dormers without any expression other than shingle, I think that they

[Speaker 1] (49:00 - 49:19)
These dormers will I I just am confident in saying these dormers are going to feel very elongated, um tall, um and don't really relate to the composition of the rest of the house. Um and I don't think that will be corrected by lowering the knee wall. I think it'll actually um

[Speaker 1] (49:20 - 49:23)
it will actually show even more.

[Speaker 1] (49:26 - 49:26)
So

[Speaker 1] (49:27 - 49:39)
Those those would be my notes. Um I will state that I don't have a strong opposition to the cupola. Um and I'm hoping that the lowering of the roof will allow that cupola to come down.

[Speaker 2] (49:45 - 49:57)
Okay I agree. And you know obviously what what would drive this as well as just achieving the 700 under 753 and a half square feet.

[Speaker 2] (49:58 - 49:58)
the third floor.

[Speaker 3] (49:59 - 50:01)
Does space under the cupola count as a

[Speaker 2] (50:01 - 50:01)
No.

[Speaker 3] (50:01 - 50:01)
room?

[Speaker 2] (50:01 - 50:15)
Well, the building commissioner was willing to look at it as an appurtenance because it's not mechanical in any way and um so he was he was okay with overlooking it.

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:21)
It falls under a uh a um non-mechanical ventilation.

[Speaker 2] (50:21 - 50:21)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (50:23 - 50:24)
But the stairways do count.

[Speaker 2] (50:25 - 50:28)
Let's, you know, count and then we'll have a look at it.

[Speaker 2] (50:37 - 50:43)
It would be hard to even figure out how to answer that, especially if something is, you know, kind of circular like

[Speaker 3] (50:43 - 50:45)
Yeah, if you start the other direction or something,

[Speaker 3] (50:45 - 50:45)
I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (50:46 - 50:48)
In any event um so those

[Speaker 2] (50:49 - 50:55)
You know, as far as that, the rest of the house, I mean where that's staying as it is anyways, it's simply the

[Speaker 2] (50:56 - 50:59)
um configuration of the third floor and the roof.

[Speaker 2] (51:00 - 51:04)
Um are those those clear, like the

[Speaker 4] (51:05 - 51:05)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (51:05 - 51:07)
the directors, and then do you wanna, you know,

[Speaker 2] (51:08 - 51:15)
See if you could, you know, make the changes and then come in and see us and, you know, a week or two or whenever you can, you know, manage it and can

[Speaker 5] (51:15 - 51:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (51:16 - 51:24)
just give feedback so that you know that you know that you get it in line and, you know, we don't have to go through this again, you know.

[Speaker 2] (51:28 - 51:35)
You know, the goal really is to try to, you know, get you in a position where you can do what you want to do, right?

[Speaker 2] (51:36 - 51:39)
Not to, not to be saying no to everything, so

[Speaker 2] (51:41 - 51:41)
um

[Speaker 1] (51:42 - 51:42)
So

[Speaker 2] (51:42 - 51:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:45)
Do you

[Speaker 1] (51:45 - 51:45)
Do you

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:45)
want make

[Speaker 1] (51:45 - 51:46)
to make a a motion?

[Speaker 2] (51:46 - 51:46)
motion

[Speaker 1] (51:46 - 51:46)
I would

[Speaker 2] (51:46 - 51:46)
to

[Speaker 1] (51:46 - 51:47)
make a motion

[Speaker 2] (51:47 - 51:47)
continue?

[Speaker 1] (51:47 - 51:49)
to continue to the next planning board meeting.

[Speaker 2] (51:49 - 51:50)
I second that.

[Speaker 3] (51:51 - 51:52)
All those in favour?

[Speaker 2] (51:53 - 51:53)
I.

[Speaker 3] (51:53 - 51:53)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (51:53 - 51:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (51:54 - 51:54)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (51:54 - 51:55)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (51:55 - 51:55)
Great,

[Speaker 1] (51:55 - 51:55)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (51:55 - 51:56)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (52:08 - 52:10)
Do you have those listed out Sure.

[Speaker 1] (52:10 - 52:11)
Did I write them down?

[Speaker 1] (52:11 - 52:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (52:12 - 52:13)
Now I have the same thing Chris got.

[Speaker 1] (52:13 - 52:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (52:13 - 52:20)
Did you write them down? I think I got um all of them except for one, but I will look at the transcript and send him an email tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (52:20 - 52:22)
Okay. And if you want um

[Speaker 1] (52:25 - 52:31)
Wednesday I could come in and just you and I go page by page and just make sure it's as tight as tight can be.

[Speaker 7] (52:31 - 52:35)
I'm out of office once they think that I was weak.

[Speaker 1] (52:35 - 52:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (52:36 - 52:37)
when you say out

[Speaker 7] (52:37 - 52:37)
Like,

[Speaker 1] (52:37 - 52:38)
of office, like

[Speaker 7] (52:38 - 52:38)
I'm gonna

[Speaker 1] (52:38 - 52:38)
remote

[Speaker 7] (52:38 - 52:40)
b yeah, in Alabama, like

[Speaker 1] (52:40 - 52:40)
Oh

[Speaker 7] (52:40 - 52:42)
uh visiting my sister.

[Speaker 1] (52:42 - 52:45)
Awesome. Awesome. So not working out of office.

[Speaker 2] (52:45 - 52:46)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (52:46 - 52:49)
Okay. That's a world of our our hybrid everything.

[Speaker 2] (52:49 - 52:49)
Right, exactly.

[Speaker 1] (52:50 - 52:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (52:51 - 52:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (52:51 - 52:51)
But I'll

[Speaker 3] (52:51 - 52:52)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (52:52 - 52:52)
You

[Speaker 8] (52:52 - 52:53)
be put it after. Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (52:53 - 52:55)
Put the list together tomorrow and copy you.

[Speaker 1] (52:55 - 52:56)
We can

[Speaker 2] (52:56 - 52:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (52:56 - 52:56)
um

[Speaker 2] (52:56 - 52:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (52:57 - 53:02)
we can edit we wanna do it by phone, I will take I will take this with me to the office tomorrow, so

[Speaker 1] (53:03 - 53:04)
Perfect. we can go through it just

[Speaker 7] (53:04 - 53:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (53:04 - 53:05)
so I have it for me.

[Speaker 7] (53:05 - 53:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (53:06 - 53:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (53:06 - 53:06)
That works.

[Speaker 1] (53:06 - 53:07)
Beautiful, thanks.

[Speaker 2] (53:07 - 53:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (53:08 - 53:19)
Okay. All right. Um now uh we will open up the hearing for petition 2606 for 69 Pierdin Road by Robert and Lauren D'Andrea.

[Speaker 1] (53:19 - 53:36)
Um, we have Kenneth Schutzer here, uh requesting a site plan special permit for construction of a new single family residence pursuant to section five point four as required by section five point four point two point three of attached garage and in-ground pool in the A_ three zoning district.

[Speaker 1] (53:37 - 53:39)
So, drainage concerns? Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (53:40 - 53:40)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (53:41 - 53:44)
Just getting a little bit of a cold or an allergy situation.

[Speaker 1] (53:44 - 53:44)
Stay back there.

[Speaker 9] (53:45 - 53:46)
Pardon me?

[Speaker 1] (53:46 - 53:47)
Stay back there then.

[Speaker 9] (53:47 - 53:47)
Alright, alright, fair enough.

[Speaker 2] (53:47 - 53:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (53:48 - 53:54)
Um for the record, my name is Attorney Kenneth Schutzer with offices at 152 Linway and Lynn.

[Speaker 9] (53:54 - 54:09)
I'm here this evening representing Robert and Laurie and Lauren D'Andrea. Um they're here virtually, they're not physically here t tonight with me. Um they have a purchase and sale on this particular property at 69 Puritan Road.

[Speaker 9] (54:10 - 54:34)
I can tell you that we've been in contact and Mr. Donnelly who is the attorney representing the seller is um also here virtually as well. Um as earlier stated, uh it is in an A_ three zoning district. Um the current structure that is proposed to be demolished um uh is a single family residence.

[Speaker 9] (54:34 - 54:38)
Uh we have applied for and obtained a demolition permit

[Speaker 9] (54:39 - 55:04)
Uh we've also then as a result of that triggered the historical commission's overview of the property. Uh so there's been a hearing on that. They've determined that the building is not historically preservable and therefore there is no nine month delay and that should also be in the record. Lastly uh we have appeared before the conservation commission uh and they have provided us an order of conditions.

[Speaker 9] (55:04 - 55:15)
So this is the last step in the laundry in the laundry list of appointments that we need to make prior to the formal application for the building permit.

[Speaker 9] (55:16 - 55:24)
Obviously your function here this evening is to review the criteria for a site plan special permit.

[Speaker 9] (55:25 - 55:29)
The structure to be built will be dimensionally conforming.

[Speaker 9] (55:29 - 55:32)
And therefore there'll be no zoning relief that's being sought.

[Speaker 9] (55:34 - 55:36)
As indicated,

[Speaker 9] (55:36 - 55:48)
excuse me, a new single family home with an attached garage and an in-ground pool ought to be constructed as eventually conforming structures. Now, I would bring to your attention,

[Speaker 9] (55:48 - 55:55)
and this was obviously addressed before the Conservation Commission, that it is in an AE flood zone.

[Speaker 9] (55:55 - 56:21)
As such, there were certain criteria uh with regard to elevations. Uh they have been addressed. Uh they were actually incorporated in some revised plans uh that we uh received further request uh and hopefully you have those this evening. What I can confirm is that the existing structure was was below the of uh uh fifteen feet, which would be the base elevation for the first floor. Uh

[Speaker 9] (56:21 - 56:34)
Uh our construction will be uh nineteen feet. Um so we will be above the flood zone criteria and therefore uh will be compliant, and obviously that was discussed uh before the conservation commission.

[Speaker 9] (56:36 - 57:02)
Um so we have submitted a a set of plans, I would indicate that the the structure uh is lower than the prior structure. Not that this point it matters because the law itself is a conforming lot. In other words, it has adequate frontage and it has adequate square footage. So it's not a pre-existing non-conforming lot, it's a conforming lot. So we're we're sort of starting uh with a blank slate in in terms of what we're preparing proposed to build.

[Speaker 9] (57:03 - 57:03)
Um

[Speaker 9] (57:05 - 57:19)
The plans are before you. I think they they address both the site plan issues, they address the issues with regard to the renderings and elevations. Uh the the building will be at the midpoint about uh twenty feet. I think at the highest point

[Speaker 9] (57:20 - 57:32)
which is not the criteria is about twenty three feet, uh which is lower than the the prior structure. Once again, that's not necessarily of of import here, but it just gives you some uh generalised understanding.

[Speaker 9] (57:33 - 57:57)
What also makes that important would be is looking at the whole neighbourhood. Uh this home will not is not what was earlier permitted by this board at 233 Puritan which was a with a Jucanis's uh are building their house right now. This is probably about half the size. It's a little over three thousand square feet of gross floor area as opposed to six thousand. So it's it's a relatively smaller house.

[Speaker 9] (57:57 - 58:08)
Um I wouldn't call it a small house, but it is clearly uh in terms of a nei the neighbourhood a a smaller home in the area and is smaller as well square footage than what it's replacing.

[Speaker 9] (58:09 - 58:27)
Um that's kind of an overview, um as much as I can condense this uh in terms of giving you a little history, telling you the boards that we've appeared before uh and the relief that we're seeking. Now I I know that Mr Sheridan went over the, uh the criteria spelled out actually in two places

[Speaker 9] (58:28 - 58:51)
It's spelled out under three two five three two zero, as well as um as section five four eight zero, and I think it it really complies with all of those requirements. Uh there's nothing about this structure uh that in any way bespeaks that it's it's ill-fitting, uh ill-proportioned, uh or in any way is is more taxing on the community or the neighbourhood in particular.

[Speaker 9] (58:55 - 58:55)
So I am

[Speaker 1] (58:55 - 58:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (58:56 - 59:03)
open for any questions, and hopefully if I can't answer them, Mr. D'Andrea can or anyone else.

[Speaker 9] (59:05 - 59:09)
I only anticipate there'll be some interesting questions, and we're gonna do our very best to answer them.

[Speaker 1] (59:16 - 59:19)
One of the things that I do have a question about is

[Speaker 1] (59:21 - 59:34)
The amount of like the, except for the sidewalk and the stairs down, the uh there is a very large amount of paved yard and I'm just curious

[Speaker 2] (59:42 - 59:46)
Well, as far as the both the lot coverage and the minimum open space,

[Speaker 2] (59:47 - 59:49)
we comply with both. But not as asking for any relief.

[Speaker 2] (59:52 - 59:58)
So we fall squarely within the zoning criteria for those two issues.

[Speaker 2] (59:58 - 1:00:10)
Um, we're th a minimum of, this isn't an A_ three, so we're a minimum of thirty. We only uh are eighteen point seven and as far as open space we need twenty five percent and we're about fifty percent.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:12 - 1:00:16)
So I I'm I'm curious about the um

[Speaker 1] (1:00:17 - 1:00:26)
Sort of the impact on the neighbourhood for around the parking. It just sort of looks like a parking lot with a house behind it. I'm wanting

[Speaker 3] (1:00:26 - 1:00:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:26 - 1:00:26)
looking at the plan.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:26 - 1:00:28)
And if you have a two car garage,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:28 - 1:00:29)
We have a two-car why garage.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:29 - 1:00:31)
do we need parking on the left, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:31 - 1:00:44)
Yeah, and it it it sort of seems like one of the things as an impact of the neighbourhood is it's the removal of a green yard replaced with paved area on both sides like the full to the centre.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:45 - 1:00:59)
To the center of both sides of the house, all the way to the sidewalk is called out in this landscaping plan as paved, except for a strip in front of the house and strips on either side of the sidewalk.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:59 - 1:01:05)
Well, I think obviously that would permit for their guests not to have to have off street parking. They can park on site.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:05 - 1:01:09)
You know, it's um you know anyone who's familiar with Puritan Road, the last thing we you wanna do is,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:10 - 1:01:13)
especially in that narrow area, you know, used to be Orient Road.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:30)
is is is have cars parking on the street so I think their concern was and I necessarily can't necessarily speak exactly for their thinking design they had proposed was that it will allow those cars to now be parked on site and

[Speaker 3] (1:01:30 - 1:01:30)
So, but

[Speaker 2] (1:01:30 - 1:01:31)
and as

[Speaker 3] (1:01:31 - 1:01:31)
your proposed,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:31 - 1:01:32)
I said it's it's

[Speaker 3] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
sorry.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:32 - 1:01:37)
clearly you know less far less than the minimum requirements

[Speaker 3] (1:01:40 - 1:01:40)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:40 - 1:01:42)
So, but...

[Speaker 3] (1:01:44 - 1:01:47)
It's proposing two separate curb cuts for the front of the

[Speaker 2] (1:01:47 - 1:01:48)
house, That that's correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:48 - 1:01:49)
two separate driveways.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:49 - 1:01:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:49 - 1:01:52)
Well it's a I think it's a circular is it I don't have

[Speaker 3] (1:01:52 - 1:01:52)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:52 - 1:01:52)
it in front of me.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:52 - 1:01:53)
it's not

[Speaker 1] (1:01:53 - 1:01:53)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:53 - 1:01:53)
circular.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:53 - 1:01:54)
It's just two separate okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:54 - 1:01:55)
Two curb cuts. It's

[Speaker 1] (1:01:55 - 1:01:55)
It's

[Speaker 3] (1:01:55 - 1:01:56)
I'm surprised

[Speaker 1] (1:01:56 - 1:01:56)
it's the Jean the

[Speaker 3] (1:01:56 - 1:01:57)
I didn't make a comment.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:57 - 1:02:09)
entirety of the front yard is paved and and which which what I'm thinking about is this is a pedestrian friendly neighborhood and it does sort of create a large

[Speaker 1] (1:02:10 - 1:02:11)
swath of uh

[Speaker 2] (1:02:12 - 1:02:16)
You know what's interesting, and I'm not in any way taking exception to your suggestion,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:17 - 1:02:22)
was this is almost identical in terms of appearance to 233.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:22 - 1:02:25)
They have a large area in the front.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:26 - 1:02:36)
You know, one of the things I was trying to be cognizant of is listening to concerns that were previously raised, and one of the issues that comes up, and it came up at the last hearing,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:36 - 1:02:38)
is to establish a precedent.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:39 - 1:02:44)
I don't think there's anything that suggests that their plan is inconsistent. It just

[Speaker 1] (1:02:45 - 1:02:46)
I'm sorry, which property is 233?

[Speaker 2] (1:02:46 - 1:02:49)
233. That was the one that you permitted where

[Speaker 3] (1:02:49 - 1:02:49)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:49 - 1:02:50)
they tore down

[Speaker 3] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51)
That

[Speaker 2] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51)
a

[Speaker 3] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51)
was,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51)
large structure,

[Speaker 3] (1:02:51 - 1:02:52)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:52 - 1:02:56)
and they built a rather larger structure. It's about six thousand square feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:56 - 1:02:57)
Okay, is it the second one from

[Speaker 3] (1:02:57 - 1:02:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:58 - 1:02:58)
the park

[Speaker 3] (1:02:58 - 1:02:59)
from the big,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:59 - 1:02:59)
over?

[Speaker 3] (1:02:59 - 1:03:00)
yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00)
Um

[Speaker 3] (1:03:00 - 1:03:05)
And they actually had to build up quite a bit because of, because of the, their level.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:05 - 1:03:06)
Because of the

[Speaker 3] (1:03:06 - 1:03:06)
Like,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:06 - 1:03:06)
elevation.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:06 - 1:03:06)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:06 - 1:03:07)
you know, you don't have to build,

[Speaker 3] (1:03:07 - 1:03:11)
well they're building up here but they actually had to raise the

[Speaker 2] (1:03:11 - 1:03:11)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:11 - 1:03:19)
ground so their drive had to make a slope up. Couldn't just kind of, but they do have, I mean it's primarily garage parking there so.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:19 - 1:03:26)
So, and you do have a two car garage here. So it's it does feel like a parking lot, that's that's the

[Speaker 1] (1:03:26 - 1:03:33)
Yeah, that's a that's a concern I have and the fact that it's it's not another curb cut, it's almost the entirety of it is curb cut.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:33 - 1:03:38)
Right, and it's a hundred it's a hundred foot um you get a hundred feet of frontage there.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:38 - 1:03:38)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:03:38 - 1:03:38)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:03:38 - 1:03:41)
think this I think this is it a hundred or eighty? I believe

[Speaker 3] (1:03:41 - 1:03:41)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:41 - 1:03:41)
it's

[Speaker 3] (1:03:41 - 1:03:41)
so

[Speaker 2] (1:03:41 - 1:03:41)
only

[Speaker 3] (1:03:41 - 1:03:41)
you

[Speaker 2] (1:03:41 - 1:03:41)
eighty.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:41 - 1:03:44)
you need to have eighty, I thought this property had a hundred, I don't know why.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:44 - 1:03:45)
It's it's eighty.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:45 - 1:03:48)
Okay, well eighty feet of frontage.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:48 - 1:03:54)
Um which is, you know, great, you have the required frontage. It just seems like a lot.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:54 - 1:03:58)
Yeah, but I mean what's what's drawn here is basically um

[Speaker 1] (1:03:59 - 1:04:14)
one two three four five six seven seven off street parking spots plus a garage on paving the entire yard and and I'm just I it just feels excessive and I guess one of the things that is it

[Speaker 1] (1:04:16 - 1:04:22)
it possibly could be addressed by, you know, it is a single family house,

[Speaker 2] (1:04:22 - 1:04:23)
It is, it is.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:23 - 1:04:27)
so that that piece of it does not feel,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:27 - 1:04:29)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:04:31 - 1:04:35)
that in itself doesn't, it doesn't feel like in keeping with,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:35 - 1:04:38)
that's more than

[Speaker 1] (1:04:39 - 1:04:44)
a multi-family house up the street was able to get in that we worked to get parking

[Speaker 2] (1:04:44 - 1:04:44)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:04:44 - 1:04:44)
so the

[Speaker 2] (1:04:44 - 1:04:44)
very

[Speaker 1] (1:04:44 - 1:04:45)
units

[Speaker 2] (1:04:45 - 1:04:45)
familiar.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:45 - 1:04:52)
This house fortunately can provide some parking. I know that house in particular you're talking about.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:53 - 1:04:53)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (1:04:53 - 1:04:53)
the

[Speaker 3] (1:04:53 - 1:04:54)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:04:54 - 1:04:54)
right,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:54 - 1:04:54)
your family.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:54 - 1:04:56)
I know the one, that was Mr Bethel's home.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:56 - 1:04:57)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:57 - 1:04:57)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:57 - 1:04:59)
And how you had to squeeze those parking spaces

[Speaker 3] (1:04:59 - 1:04:59)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:59 - 1:05:00)
in,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:00 - 1:05:00)
That

[Speaker 2] (1:05:00 - 1:05:01)
and it

[Speaker 3] (1:05:01 - 1:05:01)
was

[Speaker 2] (1:05:01 - 1:05:01)
took some

[Speaker 3] (1:05:01 - 1:05:01)
tough.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:01 - 1:05:03)
very creative planning to do that.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:03 - 1:05:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:03 - 1:05:04)
Yeah, yeah, that was tough.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:04 - 1:05:12)
And I had discomfort with that, to be frank, but this is serving a single family house.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:14 - 1:05:15)
Let me let me say this.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:16 - 1:05:17)
Mr.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:17 - 1:05:17)
and Mrs.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:18 - 1:05:26)
D'Andrea hopefully are are here and and if they were willing to make a concession at this point these are the plans that they asked me to provide.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:27 - 1:05:29)
These are the plans that the architect drew.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:29 - 1:05:33)
I don't think in any way this would change any construction plans.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:33 - 1:05:34)
This is just an

[Speaker 3] (1:05:34 - 1:05:34)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:34 - 1:05:35)
area that had been defined

[Speaker 1] (1:05:35 - 1:05:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:35 - 1:05:36)
for parking.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:36 - 1:05:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:36 - 1:05:38)
It would be less parking.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:38 - 1:05:40)
I don't have the authority,

[Speaker 2] (1:05:40 - 1:05:47)
but they're here and maybe they can address that and if that's the overriding concern and they were willing to make a concession.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:48 - 1:05:48)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:05:48 - 1:05:48)
I uh

[Speaker 5] (1:05:48 - 1:05:49)
I mean I'm that's not sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:49 - 1:05:49)
that's my voice

[Speaker 3] (1:05:49 - 1:05:49)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:49 - 1:05:50)
concern, I

[Speaker 3] (1:05:50 - 1:05:50)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:05:50 - 1:05:50)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (1:05:50 - 1:05:51)
that's

[Speaker 1] (1:05:51 - 1:05:52)
know how other people are

[Speaker 3] (1:05:52 - 1:05:52)
I have

[Speaker 1] (1:05:52 - 1:05:52)
on this.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:52 - 1:05:58)
the same concern and I can tell you the other reason. First of all I would think on the on the side of the house that has the garage

[Speaker 3] (1:05:59 - 1:06:06)
It could certainly put a little more buffering along, you know, the the edge that says exit and there's like a

[Speaker 2] (1:06:06 - 1:06:06)
We have a landscape

[Speaker 3] (1:06:06 - 1:06:07)
or something.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:07 - 1:06:07)
diagram. Did you get

[Speaker 3] (1:06:07 - 1:06:07)
It

[Speaker 2] (1:06:07 - 1:06:08)
a chance

[Speaker 3] (1:06:08 - 1:06:26)
could be to? a little more buffering there. And I have less of an issue with having, you know, like a driveway area paved in front of the garage doors. I mean obviously then the other side where there's no garage and it just doesn't it act, it just doesn't make any sense to have it paved.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:26 - 1:06:26)
It

[Speaker 3] (1:06:26 - 1:06:27)
So it it it just um

[Speaker 2] (1:06:28 - 1:06:28)
Let me

[Speaker 3] (1:06:28 - 1:06:28)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:28 - 1:06:29)
let me see

[Speaker 3] (1:06:29 - 1:06:36)
and this. my other concern is that, as we all know, if you looked at we don't have a I don't think I've got a great locus plan here.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:36 - 1:06:37)
We gave you a new one.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:38 - 1:06:39)
Pardon me?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:39 - 1:06:42)
We I said we submitted a new one to I

[Speaker 3] (1:06:42 - 1:06:47)
I wanted to see the houses around it in the distance. That's kind of what I was looking for.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:47 - 1:06:48)
Uh,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:48 - 1:06:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:48 - 1:06:50)
this one here I can see. Hold on.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:51 - 1:07:10)
So this I can see a little, but I don't oh anyway as you look at it up on the street you're on Puritan you're looking at the house to the right is like literally two two full lots of blacktop I don't know who those lots belong to but they have as far as long as I've lived there and I've lived on

[Speaker 3] (1:07:11 - 1:07:12)
that street for um

[Speaker 6] (1:07:12 - 1:07:13)
I won't.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:13 - 1:07:15)
30 years um

[Speaker 6] (1:07:15 - 1:07:15)
This is Thomas.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:15 - 1:07:23)
it's been it has been a paved it's been paved and to put more paving next to paving is just

[Speaker 6] (1:07:23 - 1:07:26)
Oh, isn't that where the house is going to go in that paved area?

[Speaker 3] (1:07:26 - 1:07:30)
no no they're not they're taking down a house that's in that exists currently

[Speaker 6] (1:07:31 - 1:07:36)
I saw the original plan that was with the proposed versus existing.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:37 - 1:07:37)
Just

[Speaker 2] (1:07:37 - 1:07:37)
There's no existing.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:37 - 1:07:39)
this is again a house that's right.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:39 - 1:07:46)
There will be no existing theoretically. The only time that would be an issue would be as if there's a pre-existing non-conforming structure.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:47 - 1:07:47)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:47 - 1:07:49)
This is a buildable lot. We're taking

[Speaker 3] (1:07:49 - 1:07:49)
It's not.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:49 - 1:07:50)
the house down.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:50 - 1:07:51)
That's coming down.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:51 - 1:07:53)
Yeah, so this is coming down, but that's over here.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:54 - 1:07:55)
This is the paved lot you're telling them.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:55 - 1:07:57)
No no no. This is Puritan Road.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:57 - 1:07:59)
Well, that's the beach.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:59 - 1:08:01)
This is the ocean.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:01 - 1:08:01)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:01 - 1:08:03)
This is Puritan. So this is the parking

[Speaker 6] (1:08:03 - 1:08:03)
So the

[Speaker 3] (1:08:03 - 1:08:03)
lot.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:03 - 1:08:04)
house is here and it's coming down.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:04 - 1:08:05)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:06 - 1:08:08)
Right, it was, yeah, but see it's right here.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:09 - 1:08:11)
Okay, so to the right.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:12 - 1:08:16)
To the right is just, it's just like two lots of solid pavement.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:17 - 1:08:22)
And I'm, you know, I'm not quite sure, it's just been like that forever, so I mean, I don't know who owns it,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:22 - 1:08:27)
it's just, you know, nothing has really changed there for a long time.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:28 - 1:08:30)
Um, but anyway,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:30 - 1:08:39)
I I'm loath to see more parking, I mean more pavement. Not that I don't think they should be able to put a driveway in front of their garage, they absolutely should.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:40 - 1:08:44)
Obviously that's, you know, I'm just saying to have even more on the other side is,

[Speaker 3] (1:08:44 - 1:08:55)
seems um unnecessary and kind of this weird, you know, paving everything over precedent as opposed to having some, you know.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:55 - 1:08:57)
green space, so

[Speaker 1] (1:08:58 - 1:09:02)
So let's see, I'd like to see, you know, let's get like all of our comments and then maybe give

[Speaker 3] (1:09:02 - 1:09:02)
Yep,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:02 - 1:09:02)
the petitioner

[Speaker 3] (1:09:02 - 1:09:02)
absolutely,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:02 - 1:09:03)
a chance to respond

[Speaker 3] (1:09:03 - 1:09:03)
yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:03 - 1:09:05)
to them all uh together.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:05 - 1:09:14)
Other than that, the house, I've no no issues with it all. And um I did have a question about the pool, but that's not as important as just getting through this. So

[Speaker 7] (1:09:14 - 1:09:16)
But if it's relevant, it's

[Speaker 3] (1:09:16 - 1:09:23)
Well, my question was just whether the Board of Health says that there can't be any draining of pool water into the ocean and

[Speaker 6] (1:09:23 - 1:09:23)
For sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:23 - 1:09:29)
that I'm curious as to how that works, like how do you fill it, how do you empty it? I mean, I know there are pool companies that come by.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
Oh, yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
with that pools

[Speaker 2] (1:09:29 - 1:09:31)
would that would that would see answer to the question.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:32 - 1:09:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:32 - 1:09:39)
Pool company would come in and fill it, uh or they guess they could fill it themselves. But in terms of and I read the comments, it will not be draining to the ocean.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:40 - 1:09:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:40 - 1:09:52)
Uh as a matter of fact, I think most of the water remains during the winter time anyway. They winterize it and then they and I I don't own a pool. But then I think they're able to somehow re-energize it by putting chemicals in there and

[Speaker 2] (1:09:53 - 1:10:02)
Uh but I don't believe I I I think it's not even they don't take the water out because there's too much exterior pressure. They wanna keep the water in to to neutralise the pressure on either side.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:02 - 1:10:02)
I see.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:02 - 1:10:06)
So but if any water is released, it will not be released

[Speaker 1] (1:10:06 - 1:10:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:06 - 1:10:07)
into the ocean.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:07 - 1:10:08)
That that answers my question. Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:09 - 1:10:11)
I don't have a pool, so I don't

[Speaker 2] (1:10:11 - 1:10:12)
Join the club.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:12 - 1:10:13)
know those things.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:13 - 1:10:15)
Bill do you bet you have anything?

[Speaker 5] (1:10:15 - 1:10:20)
No, I think it if it it meets all the criteria, there's you really know.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:20 - 1:10:21)
Sure, do you have anything else?

[Speaker 6] (1:10:22 - 1:10:22)
Um

[Speaker 6] (1:10:23 - 1:10:24)
Not, no.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:24 - 1:10:32)
Okay. Um then let's let the petitioners uh just respond to that landscaping um question and then we can open it up to public comment.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:33 - 1:10:38)
Thank you. At this point, if it doesn't seem inappropriate, because oftentimes I can just

[Speaker 2] (1:10:39 - 1:10:40)
Well, c look at my client and say what

[Speaker 6] (1:10:40 - 1:10:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:41 - 1:10:43)
do you think. Um are the dendrios

[Speaker 6] (1:10:43 - 1:10:43)
They're on.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:43 - 1:11:05)
so if you don't mind terribly uh sort of going out out of a sequence and allowing them to respond to your comment, because as I said to you earlier, I don't think that this technically falls within site plan, but I don't want to get into an issue with with any board members that may be looking to see something slightly different that's not gonna be concerning to them.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:06 - 1:11:06)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:08 - 1:11:10)
So, if you could possibly

[Speaker 6] (1:11:10 - 1:11:10)
So,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:10 - 1:11:12)
use the dandrios on that.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:12 - 1:11:13)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:14 - 1:11:16)
Good evening. This is Rob D'Andrea.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:17 - 1:11:20)
So the discussion surrounding the driveway,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:20 - 1:11:29)
you know, if I had, you know, my wish, I'd probably drive a horse and not have a driveway. I don't like blacktop any more than anyone else.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:30 - 1:11:31)
But the fact is.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:32 - 1:11:36)
Florida and I both have large families and we do entertain.

[Speaker 6] (1:11:37 - 1:11:43)
So we thought, you know, given the fact that there's no on street parking there,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:43 - 1:11:48)
trying to balance the lot with some,

[Speaker 6] (1:11:48 - 1:11:56)
as much landscaping as you could possibly get at the front and also maximize the paved area.

[Speaker 7] (1:11:57 - 1:11:59)
We felt we balanced that pretty well,

[Speaker 7] (1:11:59 - 1:12:02)
considering the size of the families.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:05 - 1:12:07)
I also wanted to say, this is Lauren D'Andrea, hello.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:08 - 1:12:13)
I wanted to say that I don't know that you could see to the right of the house.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:13 - 1:12:15)
I know you're familiar with the area,

[Speaker 8] (1:12:15 - 1:12:20)
but if you look at it now, it is a big parking lot to the right of the house,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:20 - 1:12:20)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:20 - 1:12:21)
which is part of the house.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:22 - 1:12:23)
It goes all the way back.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:24 - 1:12:32)
And there's no house across it. We're putting a house across it so it's going to look so much more balanced and there will not be a parking lot to the right.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:32 - 1:12:36)
It will be in the front to the right, but it will be like cut.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:36 - 1:12:48)
You won't be seeing that big, all this black parking lot because it's not now going all the way back towards the water like it was and connecting to the house next to it on the right.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:50 - 1:12:54)
So when you see that open space right there, the house is coming across.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:55 - 1:12:59)
And so, you know, right now I think it's a big parking lot.

[Speaker 8] (1:12:59 - 1:13:03)
I don't, I think we're going to make it look a lot better.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:03 - 1:13:09)
And we will have, as you see, we put some time into the greenery and stuff in the front.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:09 - 1:13:16)
And I don't know, I think, you know, there's no parking there. I mean, that's why I think people...

[Speaker 8] (1:13:17 - 1:13:20)
From the right side of the house, I think they,

[Speaker 8] (1:13:20 - 1:13:29)
the house is over there like ask this woman who owns the house now to park in her loft because there is no parking.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:30 - 1:13:32)
What house does that lot belong to?

[Speaker 8] (1:13:33 - 1:13:37)
The house we're building is going across right there so we're getting rid of that.

[Speaker 7] (1:13:37 - 1:13:38)
The fence,

[Speaker 7] (1:13:38 - 1:13:39)
the fence to the.

[Speaker 7] (1:13:40 - 1:13:43)
Right side of the picture is is the property line

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:43)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (1:13:43 - 1:13:43)
of 60

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:45)
is the part of the lot.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:45 - 1:13:49)
I I think I think one of the problems we have is we don't have a demolition plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:49 - 1:13:50)
I don't see the demolition

[Speaker 6] (1:13:50 - 1:13:50)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:13:50 - 1:13:51)
plan at all,

[Speaker 6] (1:13:51 - 1:13:51)
what

[Speaker 1] (1:13:51 - 1:13:52)
so I

[Speaker 2] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
were demolition

[Speaker 1] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
had

[Speaker 2] (1:13:52 - 1:13:53)
had had been provided.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:53 - 1:13:54)
no idea that that's

[Speaker 2] (1:13:54 - 1:13:55)
Yeah, it met the

[Speaker 1] (1:13:55 - 1:13:55)
what that

[Speaker 2] (1:13:55 - 1:13:55)
permit already

[Speaker 1] (1:13:55 - 1:13:55)
was that

[Speaker 2] (1:13:55 - 1:13:56)
for the demolition.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:56 - 1:13:58)
I had no idea that was part of it.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:58 - 1:13:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:58 - 1:13:58)
No

[Speaker 6] (1:13:58 - 1:13:58)
so so

[Speaker 1] (1:13:58 - 1:13:59)
idea.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:59 - 1:14:05)
the house itself sat actually slightly left to where your proposed pool is or sits.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:06 - 1:14:07)
slightly left

[Speaker 1] (1:14:07 - 1:14:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:14:07 - 1:14:08)
if

[Speaker 1] (1:14:08 - 1:14:08)
to the I'm left

[Speaker 6] (1:14:08 - 1:14:08)
standing

[Speaker 1] (1:14:08 - 1:14:08)
and right.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:08 - 1:14:09)
at the street.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:09 - 1:14:10)
That's what you would

[Speaker 6] (1:14:10 - 1:14:10)
So,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:10 - 1:14:10)
do automatically.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:10 - 1:14:10)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:11 - 1:14:13)
If you do you happen to know is a prop

[Speaker 4] (1:14:13 - 1:14:14)
It's gonna be

[Speaker 6] (1:14:14 - 1:14:14)
proposed

[Speaker 4] (1:14:14 - 1:14:14)
a while.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:14 - 1:14:17)
pool pretty much over where the parking is

[Speaker 1] (1:14:17 - 1:14:17)
Well, this isn't

[Speaker 6] (1:14:17 - 1:14:18)
currently?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:18 - 1:14:19)
the the so I mean it

[Speaker 7] (1:14:19 - 1:14:20)
Yes, it's

[Speaker 6] (1:14:20 - 1:14:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:20 - 1:14:21)
gonna be

[Speaker 1] (1:14:21 - 1:14:21)
this whole

[Speaker 7] (1:14:21 - 1:14:21)
yep

[Speaker 1] (1:14:21 - 1:14:22)
building is gonna

[Speaker 6] (1:14:22 - 1:14:25)
I think I think that gives us a better idea of what we're looking.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:25 - 1:14:26)
Oh you want a new

[Speaker 6] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:26 - 1:14:26)
plating.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:27 - 1:14:27)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:14:27 - 1:14:29)
because I I think all of us were assuming

[Speaker 1] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
we had

[Speaker 6] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
that this

[Speaker 1] (1:14:29 - 1:14:30)
no idea.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
somehow

[Speaker 1] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
Yeah

[Speaker 6] (1:14:30 - 1:14:32)
fit on what

[Speaker 4] (1:14:32 - 1:14:33)
Went up to that other plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:33 - 1:14:35)
appears to be the lot not

[Speaker 4] (1:14:35 - 1:14:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:35 - 1:14:36)
what he is the lot.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:38)
So I don't we don't have a plan of the exact

[Speaker 1] (1:14:38 - 1:14:47)
the existing what the existing property and what's new that's that's where it's and we don't have a demolition plan so that's

[Speaker 2] (1:14:47 - 1:14:48)
Well, I

[Speaker 1] (1:14:48 - 1:14:49)
why we're confused.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:52 - 1:14:52)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:52 - 1:14:52)
We do

[Speaker 1] (1:14:52 - 1:14:53)
that's

[Speaker 7] (1:14:53 - 1:14:53)
have

[Speaker 1] (1:14:53 - 1:14:53)
good news.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:53 - 1:14:58)
an existing conditions plan that we can give to you.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:58 - 1:14:59)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:14:59 - 1:14:59)
I think

[Speaker 7] (1:14:59 - 1:15:00)
that's not part of the package now.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:00 - 1:15:03)
that it's more just the,

[Speaker 6] (1:15:03 - 1:15:06)
it sort of gets us up to speed of what we're looking at.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:06 - 1:15:19)
It also answers a number of questions because looking at these drawings, I started looking at dimensions to understand the actual square footage because a 3,000 square foot, one story house.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:19 - 1:15:25)
Um and I think some of it is the way the front of it is rendered it's really rendered as a much smaller house

[Speaker 1] (1:15:25 - 1:15:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:25 - 1:15:34)
than what it is. Um so which is neither here nor there, but I uh I think it does help to understand

[Speaker 1] (1:15:34 - 1:15:35)
Yep. Makes a lot more sense.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:36 - 1:15:38)
As a matter of twenty five minutes ago.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:38 - 1:15:38)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:38 - 1:15:43)
I mean, that's it's that's in my estimation good news.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:43 - 1:15:44)
That's good news.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:46 - 1:15:51)
I would, I do have a question about, right now it says paved.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:52 - 1:15:56)
What are your intentions for the pavement? I think that's another thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:56 - 1:15:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:56 - 1:15:58)
And then what,

[Speaker 6] (1:15:58 - 1:16:00)
because if that entirety,

[Speaker 6] (1:16:00 - 1:16:06)
the entirety of that's paved, I would have some concern about the water.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:07 - 1:16:09)
going places that um

[Speaker 1] (1:16:10 - 1:16:13)
Well, they're adding a lot of their green, you know, their backyard.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:13 - 1:16:17)
Of course, there's a pool there, but all the same, there's still a lot more green space in the back where

[Speaker 6] (1:16:17 - 1:16:17)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:16:17 - 1:16:17)
there

[Speaker 6] (1:16:17 - 1:16:17)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:17 - 1:16:18)
used to be pot pot.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:19 - 1:16:19)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:19 - 1:16:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:20 - 1:16:21)
So, that's good.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:22 - 1:16:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:22 - 1:16:22)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (1:16:22 - 1:16:22)
so this

[Speaker 1] (1:16:22 - 1:16:23)
I'd rather have more

[Speaker 4] (1:16:23 - 1:16:23)
Can

[Speaker 1] (1:16:23 - 1:16:23)
green

[Speaker 4] (1:16:23 - 1:16:24)
do you

[Speaker 1] (1:16:24 - 1:16:24)
or any know of if the ocean.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:24 - 1:16:27)
the overall covered space is increasing or staying the same?

[Speaker 2] (1:16:27 - 1:16:29)
No, it's, it's, it's decreasing.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:29 - 1:16:30)
There was as Mr.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:30 - 1:16:33)
Dandrea, can you comment there was a question that was asked.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:34 - 1:16:41)
was that the the the coverage the actual lot coverage itself is decreasing um by the this new structure?

[Speaker 6] (1:16:41 - 1:16:42)
Like the overall paved

[Speaker 7] (1:16:42 - 1:16:43)
It

[Speaker 6] (1:16:43 - 1:16:43)
area.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:43 - 1:16:44)
is. I think,

[Speaker 7] (1:16:44 - 1:16:51)
I believe that's on the site plan we submitted. It gives the existing coverages

[Speaker 1] (1:16:51 - 1:16:52)
It does.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:52 - 1:16:52)
versus

[Speaker 1] (1:16:52 - 1:16:52)
It's a state.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:52 - 1:16:54)
the, no, that's the landscape plan.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:54 - 1:16:55)
And that's the landscape plan.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:55 - 1:17:02)
It does not, it we don't really have that only because Unlike most, oh I'm sorry, go ahead Mr. Dandrea.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:04 - 1:17:15)
I believe there's some notes on the bottom right side there, uh bottom right-hand corner of the plan. If you blow that up, I think it talks about some existing versus proposed

[Speaker 6] (1:17:15 - 1:17:16)
Is it existing?

[Speaker 7] (1:17:16 - 1:17:17)
bottom rate.

[Speaker 6] (1:17:18 - 1:17:19)
Down where it says

[Speaker 1] (1:17:19 - 1:17:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:17:19 - 1:17:20)
zone

[Speaker 1] (1:17:20 - 1:17:20)
it says

[Speaker 6] (1:17:20 - 1:17:20)
A3.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:20 - 1:17:21)
thanks. Uh it says on the

[Speaker 5] (1:17:21 - 1:17:23)
Yeah. It's required and proposed.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:23 - 1:17:30)
Yeah. So it's also on the back of the application, um if this is the same information, which I think it should be.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:31 - 1:17:32)
Oh there's the existing. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:32 - 1:17:33)
But let me

[Speaker 1] (1:17:33 - 1:17:34)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:35 - 1:17:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:35 - 1:17:35)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:17:35 - 1:17:35)
because

[Speaker 5] (1:17:35 - 1:17:36)
it's all the existing,

[Speaker 6] (1:17:36 - 1:17:36)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:36 - 1:17:36)
they're all N_A_

[Speaker 6] (1:17:36 - 1:17:37)
it's not.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:37 - 1:17:37)
though because

[Speaker 1] (1:17:37 - 1:17:38)
Can I?

[Speaker 2] (1:17:38 - 1:17:42)
ask you this. There are two questions that seem to have potential answers.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:42 - 1:17:49)
One is, is in lieu of blacktop there are types of of pervious

[Speaker 2] (1:17:49 - 1:17:50)
block that

[Speaker 1] (1:17:50 - 1:17:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:50 - 1:17:56)
is used to park on that allows grass to grow through it. Now I don't know whether that's something that Mr.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:56 - 1:17:57)
D'Andrea or Mrs.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:57 - 1:17:59)
D'Andrea would consider.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:59 - 1:18:01)
The other is the actual color

[Speaker 2] (1:18:02 - 1:18:03)
Our tone of the,

[Speaker 2] (1:18:03 - 1:18:11)
you use the word blacktop as opposed to something that is more cement colored which is less visible to the eye.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:11 - 1:18:28)
I don't know once again whether that's something that would be considered but that would at least allow for the parking as a concern so they won't be forced to park on the street which is then going to be problematic at the same time to those that are concerned it would be at least less intrusive.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:29 - 1:18:30)
to the eye because

[Speaker 7] (1:18:32 - 1:18:33)
Well, as

[Speaker 2] (1:18:33 - 1:18:34)
because what

[Speaker 7] (1:18:34 - 1:18:34)
far

[Speaker 2] (1:18:34 - 1:18:35)
I'm going

[Speaker 7] (1:18:35 - 1:18:40)
as the drainage coming off the driveway is concerned,

[Speaker 7] (1:18:40 - 1:18:43)
there is an existing catch basin,

[Speaker 7] (1:18:43 - 1:18:48)
a drain manhole catch basin, open grate catch basin,

[Speaker 7] (1:18:48 - 1:18:52)
almost centered on the property now,

[Speaker 7] (1:18:52 - 1:18:54)
which is obviously going to remain.

[Speaker 7] (1:18:55 - 1:19:03)
So, any water, you know, coming out of the driveway should should hit the shoulder of the road and make its way to that that basin.

[Speaker 7] (1:19:05 - 1:19:08)
As far as alternative paving materials,

[Speaker 7] (1:19:09 - 1:19:10)
um

[Speaker 7] (1:19:13 - 1:19:19)
I mean, paving is to me the most uh serviceable,

[Speaker 7] (1:19:19 - 1:19:20)
easy to maintain.

[Speaker 7] (1:19:21 - 1:19:23)
You don't have weed issues and things.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:30 - 1:19:36)
I think the only, you know, maybe prematurely, the only, without talking to Lauren,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:36 - 1:19:39)
alternative to paving would be concrete.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:46)
I really don't, at this point, I'm not in favor of doing any sort of a paver.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:55)
That needs to be maintained as joints between the paving blocks you see all over the place, the concrete pavers or the grass,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:55 - 1:20:01)
filled permeable paving products they have.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:01 - 1:20:04)
It's high maintenance stuff.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:04 - 1:20:09)
So we're looking for a seamless finished surface.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:12 - 1:20:20)
Okay, yeah, uh thank you both. If if it works with the board I'm gonna open up the public comment, um talk this way.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:20 - 1:20:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:21 - 1:20:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:21 - 1:20:29)
Okay, uh is there anybody uh online here to speak on this application?

[Speaker 3] (1:20:30 - 1:20:32)
Please use the raise uh raise your hand function.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:56 - 1:20:56)
Anyone?

[Speaker 2] (1:21:02 - 1:21:24)
Okay, um well if there's no one then I'll close public comment. Um so fine. Um going back to the board I think you know I I'll just say what I think um now that we know that they are you know that they have that entire lot that includes the the side driveway I I agree, I think it actually is.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:24 - 1:21:41)
much better and you know given the properties that are on either side of this, even if they're keeping the the pavement in the front, I don't think it really um is a big detraction from the current character of the of the neighbourhood. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:21:42 - 1:21:44)
so I'm I'm I'm fine with this.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:50 - 1:21:57)
So I'm just, I'm just kind of, I've got a couple questions just about the drainage. So you're saying that there's sort of a catch basin,

[Speaker 5] (1:21:57 - 1:22:01)
because I don't have any drainage on this plant to see where the water's going to go?

[Speaker 3] (1:22:01 - 1:22:05)
I have pulled up the GIS and it shows where the catch basins are.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:06 - 1:22:07)
Okay, so it's going

[Speaker 2] (1:22:07 - 1:22:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:07 - 1:22:09)
from there into the street.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:09 - 1:22:12)
And it does appear that the slope is out toward the

[Speaker 5] (1:22:12 - 1:22:12)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:12 - 1:22:12)
street.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:12 - 1:22:13)
great, okay,

[Speaker 5] (1:22:13 - 1:22:14)
great.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:14 - 1:22:15)
It's on point

[Speaker 5] (1:22:15 - 1:22:17)
Basically what I want to know. I just didn't see

[Speaker 2] (1:22:17 - 1:22:17)
on

[Speaker 5] (1:22:17 - 1:22:18)
that sheet here.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
one.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:18 - 1:22:19)
Great. Oh, thanks.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:20 - 1:22:21)
kind of just shoots out.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:22 - 1:22:22)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:28 - 1:22:33)
I mean, you know, as far I think that the plan looks good as well.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:33 - 1:22:35)
I just want to, in terms of the utilities,

[Speaker 5] (1:22:35 - 1:22:40)
I know I saw someplace that you had them elevated and I just want to confirm that.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:40 - 1:22:45)
And I know you have a basement there, but you know, you're not allowed to put the utilities in the basement.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:45 - 1:22:45)
So...

[Speaker 5] (1:22:46 - 1:22:53)
Um I just want to confirm I know I saw it somewhere that you had the elevated thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:55 - 1:23:00)
That's on the end of the house where the garage is located.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:01 - 1:23:01)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:01 - 1:23:03)
It's on that side wall.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:04 - 1:23:08)
And there are two condenser units that

[Speaker 5] (1:23:08 - 1:23:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:09 - 1:23:11)
we have shown on brackets.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:12 - 1:23:15)
the above the flood plain or flood not flood

[Speaker 5] (1:23:15 - 1:23:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:16 - 1:23:17)
plain but flood flood elevation

[Speaker 5] (1:23:17 - 1:23:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:17 - 1:23:20)
and then we were going to um frame

[Speaker 5] (1:23:20 - 1:23:21)
Oh, I see.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:21 - 1:23:26)
it off with a, you know, material similar to the to the building itself to

[Speaker 5] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:26 - 1:23:28)
help it blend in.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:28 - 1:23:32)
Okay. That's good. Um and uh what else?

[Speaker 2] (1:23:32 - 1:23:34)
Actually, is that on the um the

[Speaker 5] (1:23:34 - 1:23:35)
It's on

[Speaker 2] (1:23:35 - 1:23:35)
garage

[Speaker 5] (1:23:35 - 1:23:35)
the side side.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:35 - 1:23:36)
elevation?

[Speaker 5] (1:23:37 - 1:23:37)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:23:37 - 1:23:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:38 - 1:23:43)
So I did have a question about that because I'm sort of unclear on how that's drawn.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:44 - 1:23:52)
So where it says mechanical units for HVAC system and then it says fiber cement siding in front of it,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:52 - 1:23:56)
is that projecting out from the side of the house?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:57 - 1:23:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:58 - 1:23:59)
It is, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:59 - 1:24:03)
And it does not show in the front elevation as doing such.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:04 - 1:24:04)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:04 - 1:24:07)
Wait a second, let me where did my friend elevation go?

[Speaker 2] (1:24:10 - 1:24:10)
Um

[Speaker 5] (1:24:10 - 1:24:11)
I thought I

[Speaker 2] (1:24:11 - 1:24:11)
oh

[Speaker 5] (1:24:11 - 1:24:11)
saw that.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:11 - 1:24:12)
yes it does.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:12 - 1:24:14)
Yeah, I I do think I saw that, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:14 - 1:24:16)
Okay. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:24:21 - 1:24:21)
Does that have

[Speaker 1] (1:24:21 - 1:24:22)
So no,

[Speaker 2] (1:24:22 - 1:24:26)
have a top to it or is it basically like a fence that's attached

[Speaker 2] (1:24:27 - 1:24:29)
and sticking out the side of the house?

[Speaker 1] (1:24:30 - 1:24:33)
the so the sidewalls of that

[Speaker 1] (1:24:33 - 1:24:40)
That bump out that you see will be trimmed and sided with the same materials as the house itself

[Speaker 1] (1:24:40 - 1:24:46)
The bottom will be open and the top will be open so if you stand under it you can look up underneath and see the bottom of the units

[Speaker 5] (1:24:46 - 1:24:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:47 - 1:24:51)
but from the road or from passing by it looks like

[Speaker 1] (1:24:52 - 1:24:56)
You know an extension of the house it is it is weird.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:56 - 1:24:59)
I know I wouldn't I'm not gonna say it isn't but

[Speaker 1] (1:25:00 - 1:25:06)
You know, we were under the impression that those units can't be down in the flood zone,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:06 - 1:25:06)
and

[Speaker 5] (1:25:06 - 1:25:07)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:25:07 - 1:25:07)
that's right. why they're up there.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:07 - 1:25:08)
That's correct.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:09 - 1:25:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:09 - 1:25:20)
And we spent a lot of time, I spent a lot of time with mechanical engineers trying to figure out a way to put those inside and build a mezzanine of some kind in the garage.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:21 - 1:25:30)
The warranties and the demands and the air changes that are required for those, they just don't recommend it, so they wound up where you see them.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:30 - 1:25:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:36 - 1:25:39)
The one thing that I am wondering there.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:42 - 1:25:55)
Which is a little bit of a concession. It would mean losing one parking spot. But if you were to not pull the pavement back behind where those are,

[Speaker 7] (1:25:55 - 1:26:08)
you could probably do some landscaping there that would lower the impact of that view because that view is over the driveway on the side of the house.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:09 - 1:26:12)
He has no access to it is the only thing.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:12 - 1:26:12)
Pardon me?

[Speaker 5] (1:26:12 - 1:26:14)
He's got to have access to it.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:14 - 1:26:15)
No, I understand that,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:15 - 1:26:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:15 - 1:26:17)
but there still could be space,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:17 - 1:26:17)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (1:26:17 - 1:26:17)
but,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:17 - 1:26:18)
you're saying,

[Speaker 7] (1:26:18 - 1:26:18)
you

[Speaker 5] (1:26:18 - 1:26:18)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:18 - 1:26:25)
know, a columnar evergreen tree that would be in there and block the view from the street.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:26 - 1:26:32)
So that was the idea behind the tree, not the tree, but the shrub we have shown.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:33 - 1:26:36)
On the plane you have up right now in the right-hand corner of the garage

[Speaker 1] (1:26:38 - 1:26:44)
We're gonna we would like we're gonna try to get that that shrub right there. I don't know what it is without looking at the the log

[Speaker 5] (1:26:44 - 1:26:45)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:26:45 - 1:26:45)
there,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:45 - 1:26:45)
sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:45 - 1:26:55)
but we're trying to get that to grow up Just a little bit higher than the bottom of that so it doesn't look like it's kind of hanging off the house That

[Speaker 7] (1:26:55 - 1:26:55)
But looking

[Speaker 1] (1:26:55 - 1:26:57)
that was our idea to shield that

[Speaker 7] (1:26:57 - 1:26:59)
looking at how it's drawn.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:01 - 1:27:05)
I don't, I think, how far out from the house does that extend?

[Speaker 7] (1:27:05 - 1:27:06)
I don't have a scale with me.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:07 - 1:27:11)
I think it's going to be about maybe 30 inches in total.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:11 - 1:27:14)
If you look at where that tree is planted,

[Speaker 7] (1:27:14 - 1:27:19)
the planting area for that,

[Speaker 7] (1:27:19 - 1:27:26)
I just, I think that you would end up, to get that tree to that size to conceal it, you would end up having that bush.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:27 - 1:27:31)
The center line of that bush would cause the tree to be over in front of the garage too.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:35 - 1:27:37)
Well that's a, so if you,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:37 - 1:27:38)
I forget what you called

[Speaker 7] (1:27:38 - 1:27:38)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:38 - 1:27:38)
it, the

[Speaker 7] (1:27:38 - 1:27:38)
there's

[Speaker 1] (1:27:38 - 1:27:39)
pinion.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:39 - 1:27:40)
something in elevation here.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:41 - 1:27:48)
Because you have the pavement going right to the foundation of the house.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:48 - 1:28:05)
except for the planted areas around the front door and along the left-hand side of the house but it looks like there's there's a square cutout for a tree on in the center of the two garages and then on each side it's just that that zone over there it does

[Speaker 1] (1:28:06 - 1:28:13)
We have room along the house. There is a door that goes into the garage from that side.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:13 - 1:28:13)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:14 - 1:28:20)
But there is room to do some planting along that foundation wall if you'd like.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:20 - 1:28:33)
Yeah, I would suggest that and I think in the end, this is only shown in elevation and plan and just from experience,

[Speaker 7] (1:28:33 - 1:28:39)
that can sometimes minimize the impact of when you see it in actual three dimensions.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:40 - 1:28:40)
Mm

[Speaker 7] (1:28:40 - 1:28:41)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:28:41 - 1:28:41)
-hmm

[Speaker 7] (1:28:41 - 1:28:58)
I think that that might be a good addition is some landscaping element to try to soften that view of it because it's going to be the entry view of the house when you're coming from one direction,

[Speaker 7] (1:28:59 - 1:28:59)
from

[Speaker 7] (1:29:01 - 1:29:01)
the Boston direction.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:03 - 1:29:05)
Yep, we can we can work

[Speaker 5] (1:29:05 - 1:29:05)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:05 - 1:29:05)
work in

[Speaker 5] (1:29:05 - 1:29:05)
I bet.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:05 - 1:29:08)
a you know a bed on that side

[Speaker 5] (1:29:08 - 1:29:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:08 - 1:29:08)
there

[Speaker 5] (1:29:08 - 1:29:10)
you might be happier with that too.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:12 - 1:29:17)
I just have a quick question about the vented, you know, the window,

[Speaker 5] (1:29:17 - 1:29:19)
the vents that you have on the...

[Speaker 1] (1:29:20 - 1:29:26)
are those knockout panels or do they have to be opened automatically or will they open with water flow?

[Speaker 1] (1:29:26 - 1:29:27)
How does that work?

[Speaker 2] (1:29:28 - 1:29:31)
Those are non-mechanical flood vents which

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:31 - 1:29:35)
they open when they see a certain amount of

[Speaker 1] (1:29:35 - 1:29:35)
okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:35 - 1:29:35)
force.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:36 - 1:29:37)
that's what I want to know.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:37 - 1:29:37)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:40 - 1:29:43)
Okay, that's also a really good thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:44 - 1:29:45)
Um

[Speaker 3] (1:29:45 - 1:29:56)
We did get a comment from the neighbour across the street just about his views and how this would, you know, impact um his house. I think actually that this

[Speaker 3] (1:29:57 - 1:30:06)
might end up improving it, uh looking at the landscaping plan, it creates a more straightforward corridor. So I don't think there's any

[Speaker 3] (1:30:08 - 1:30:09)
issue there.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:17 - 1:30:18)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:18)
well,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:19)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:30:21 - 1:30:22)
don't have any other comments.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:24 - 1:30:25)
Does anyone have a motion?

[Speaker 1] (1:30:25 - 1:30:29)
I'm so happy that it includes that parking lot line.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:29 - 1:30:29)
You have no idea.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:30 - 1:30:30)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:30:30 - 1:30:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:30 - 1:30:30)
had,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:31 - 1:30:39)
I did not know this and I was trying in my head figure this lot out and thinking this just doesn't make sense to me. That's why I was so,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:39 - 1:30:42)
yeah, I'm really happy about that.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:42 - 1:30:45)
No one can ever accuse you, Ms.

[Speaker 5] (1:30:45 - 1:30:48)
Alito, of not trying your very best to get the very best product on the market.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:49 - 1:30:51)
I can see that, that you've done a really nice job.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
So I'll

[Speaker 3] (1:30:53 - 1:30:54)
Does anyone have a motion?

[Speaker 1] (1:30:56 - 1:31:00)
make a motion to approve site plan special permit for 69 Puritan Road.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:01 - 1:31:04)
I don't know the application number, but I'm going to find it.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:04 - 1:31:06)
I can give it to you, it is.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:07 - 1:31:08)
06-2606.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:08 - 1:31:10)
2606.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:10 - 1:31:12)
And you know what, let's just run through the requirements.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:12 - 1:31:13)
Yeah, go right ahead.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:16 - 1:31:18)
Okay, so just running through the list.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:19 - 1:31:28)
Minimize the volume of cut and fill, the number of removed trees six-inch caliper or larger, the length of removed stone walls, the area of wetland vegetation,

[Speaker 3] (1:31:28 - 1:31:46)
displace the extent of stormwater flow increased from the site, soil erosion and threat of air and water pollution. I think we've talked that one through and they're, you know, uh overall improving uh on that item. Um, maximize pedestrian and vehicular safety, both on the site and egressing from it.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:47 - 1:31:49)
I don't think there's really a concern there.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:50 - 1:31:59)
Minimize obstruction of scenic views from publicly accessible locations. Uh that's what we were just talking about um and I I don't think it,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:59 - 1:31:59)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:59 - 1:32:10)
I might even improve those somewhat. Minimize visual intrusion by controlling the visibility of parking, storage or other outdoor service areas viewed from public ways or premises residentially used or zoned.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:11 - 1:32:15)
Um I think we're comfortable with that and that they might be adding some landscaping on the

[Speaker 3] (1:32:15 - 1:32:16)
Consider it

[Speaker 6] (1:32:16 - 1:32:17)
I agree

[Speaker 3] (1:32:17 - 1:32:17)
on the side.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:17 - 1:32:19)
with Yeah. something that's a little bit challenged because of

[Speaker 1] (1:32:20 - 1:32:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:20 - 1:32:25)
read the content and intent of that seven car parking

[Speaker 1] (1:32:26 - 1:32:26)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 6] (1:32:26 - 1:32:27)
In the front.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:27 - 1:32:29)
think we'd all, you know, and again,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:29 - 1:32:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:29 - 1:32:34)
you're meeting the open space that you're required to have and so forth.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:34 - 1:32:38)
I think it's the issue of, you know, seeing all that parking in front there, we, you

[Speaker 3] (1:32:38 - 1:32:41)
Yep. I would say if they were moving a lot on the side though.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:41 - 1:32:49)
know, even if it were, even if you added more buffering just to soften it would go a long way, but yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:50 - 1:33:16)
minimize glare from headlights and lighting intrusion minimize unreasonable departure from the character materials and scale of buildings in the vicinity is viewed from public ways in places I don't think we have any concerns there minimize contamination of groundwater from on-site wastewater disposal system or operations on the premises involving the use storage handling or containment of hazardous substances I think the main concern there was the pool

[Speaker 3] (1:33:17 - 1:33:18)
They've addressed that.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:18 - 1:33:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:19 - 1:33:39)
Ensure compliance with the provisions of the zoning by-law, including parking and landscaping. They're compliant. Uh, minimize adverse traffic impact on the proposed project. Um uh I don't think we're too concerned there. And minimize the hazard of coastal flooding taking into account the effects of long-term sea level rise

[Speaker 1] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
You've

[Speaker 3] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
and storm surge.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:39 - 1:33:41)
done a really good job with that.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:41 - 1:33:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:43 - 1:33:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:46 - 1:33:46)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:46 - 1:33:46)
So,

[Speaker 3] (1:33:46 - 1:33:47)
do you want to go ahead, Angela?

[Speaker 1] (1:33:47 - 1:33:52)
okay, so my motion still stands? Would anyone, can anyone want to second that?

[Speaker 7] (1:33:55 - 1:33:56)
I'll second.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:56 - 1:33:57)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:33:58 - 1:33:58)
Bye.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:58 - 1:33:58)
Bye.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:58 - 1:33:58)
Bye.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:59 - 1:33:59)
Bye.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:59 - 1:34:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:00 - 1:34:00)
Alright, thanks

[Speaker 1] (1:34:00 - 1:34:00)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:34:00 - 1:34:01)
so much.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01)
you, good

[Speaker 5] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01)
luck.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:01 - 1:34:03)
you. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:03 - 1:34:03)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:04 - 1:34:05)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:05 - 1:34:06)
Good luck with your new home.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:07 - 1:34:07)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:34:07 - 1:34:07)
It

[Speaker 2] (1:34:07 - 1:34:07)
you all.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:07 - 1:34:08)
will make it look good.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:08 - 1:34:12)
Well, this is I believe will be one of your new neighbors now,

[Speaker 5] (1:34:12 - 1:34:13)
too

[Speaker 1] (1:34:13 - 1:34:15)
I know, I know. I'll be, um

[Speaker 6] (1:34:16 - 1:34:23)
I think I think the town should visit parking restrictions on Puritan Lane because or Puritan Road because I think they're most likely

[Speaker 6] (1:34:24 - 1:34:29)
set up based on antiquated ideas of insider outsider beach access.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:29 - 1:34:32)
Yeah, and but it's also it takes yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:32 - 1:34:37)
It's really difficult to argue that when you're not allowed to park on a town street

[Speaker 1] (1:34:37 - 1:34:38)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:38 - 1:34:39)
that

[Speaker 6] (1:34:40 - 1:34:42)
This is what we end up getting is paved yards.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:42 - 1:34:42)
That's right.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:42 - 1:34:47)
Um and it it is antiquated and it is restrictive and it's

[Speaker 5] (1:34:47 - 1:34:47)
You

[Speaker 6] (1:34:47 - 1:34:48)
honestly

[Speaker 5] (1:34:48 - 1:34:48)
know what it's

[Speaker 6] (1:34:48 - 1:34:48)
bigoted.

[Speaker 5] (1:34:48 - 1:34:58)
ironic because in order to comport with the site plan to make the parking and you know excuse me the traffic flow

[Speaker 5] (1:34:58 - 1:35:04)
The threat of taking cars off that street in that narrow area was exactly what we were trying to accomplish.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:05 - 1:35:07)
They just didn't want to put cars where they're going to get towed.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:08 - 1:35:09)
Yeah. No no,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
but

[Speaker 1] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
have

[Speaker 6] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
but the

[Speaker 1] (1:35:09 - 1:35:11)
the same issue at my house.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:11 - 1:35:17)
that the whole length of that road, it is the width of all sorts of roads in this town that cars park on.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:17 - 1:35:18)
It is

[Speaker 6] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
But

[Speaker 5] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
what it

[Speaker 6] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
it

[Speaker 5] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
is.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
at

[Speaker 6] (1:35:18 - 1:35:19)
has nothing to do with that.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:19 - 1:35:21)
that, yeah, at that area it's a little,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:21 - 1:35:24)
because of the amount of traffic it gets.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:25 - 1:35:30)
Um, uh it is the width of many roads, but it gets a ton of traffic and

[Speaker 6] (1:35:30 - 1:35:30)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:35:30 - 1:35:31)
many times

[Speaker 6] (1:35:31 - 1:35:31)
so does

[Speaker 1] (1:35:31 - 1:35:31)
we have

[Speaker 6] (1:35:31 - 1:35:32)
Walker Road.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:32 - 1:35:33)
yeah many

[Speaker 6] (1:35:33 - 1:35:34)
So that you know, you can times go through

[Speaker 1] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34)
we

[Speaker 6] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34)
the whole

[Speaker 1] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34)
have

[Speaker 6] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34)
thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:34 - 1:35:45)
no, no, I'm just saying many times we have traffic's cut off on Humphrey Street for any variety of reasons. They're paving, they're changing a pipe, they're doing something, and all the new traffic comes down Puritan. And, you know,

[Speaker 6] (1:35:45 - 1:35:47)
I'm I'm looking at the width of the road.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:47 - 1:35:49)
I'm with you. I I understand.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:49 - 1:35:51)
And there's no reason for cars not to

[Speaker 6] (1:35:50 - 1:35:52)
not to be able to park on that. It

[Speaker 1] (1:35:52 - 1:35:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:52 - 1:35:58)
it's the way Monument Avenue used to be. No one can park on Monument Avenue. And it's like guess

[Speaker 1] (1:35:58 - 1:35:59)
We what? do park on Monument Avenue.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:59 - 1:36:00)
We do now.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:00 - 1:36:03)
Oh, but that was um I'll get I'll tell you about that later.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:03 - 1:36:05)
Yeah yeah. But it but it is just a case it should

[Speaker 5] (1:36:05 - 1:36:05)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:36:05 - 1:36:05)
be reviewed.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:05 - 1:36:06)
have an I have a new

[Speaker 3] (1:36:06 - 1:36:06)
Pardon.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:06 - 1:36:07)
crusade for you then.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:07 - 1:36:08)
Pardon me?

[Speaker 5] (1:36:08 - 1:36:09)
New Crusade.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:09 - 1:36:09)
And

[Speaker 6] (1:36:09 - 1:36:10)
No,

[Speaker 5] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
New Crusade

[Speaker 6] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
I I

[Speaker 5] (1:36:10 - 1:36:12)
will be opening Puritan

[Speaker 6] (1:36:12 - 1:36:12)
parking

[Speaker 5] (1:36:12 - 1:36:12)
Road

[Speaker 6] (1:36:12 - 1:36:12)
parking

[Speaker 5] (1:36:12 - 1:36:12)
to wagon

[Speaker 6] (1:36:12 - 1:36:14)
restrictions near beaches.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:15 - 1:36:16)
has

[Speaker 1] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16)
only

[Speaker 1] (1:36:16 - 1:36:16)
not very

[Speaker 6] (1:36:16 - 1:36:17)
one purpose.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:17 - 1:36:19)
Oh, I understand the underlying reason

[Speaker 6] (1:36:19 - 1:36:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:20 - 1:36:20)
for that, but

[Speaker 6] (1:36:20 - 1:36:23)
But it's 2026.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:23 - 1:36:24)
To some

[Speaker 6] (1:36:24 - 1:36:24)
We

[Speaker 5] (1:36:24 - 1:36:24)
people,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:24 - 1:36:25)
shouldn't have these issues.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:25 - 1:36:25)
not to everybody.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:25 - 1:36:27)
Yeah, but the the petitioner doesn't have the

[Speaker 6] (1:36:27 - 1:36:30)
No no no, I'm saying I'm saying we have a we have a town problem

[Speaker 3] (1:36:30 - 1:36:31)
Sure, okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:31 - 1:36:39)
that puts us in a position where we end up having situations that we have to make amends for it.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:39 - 1:36:41)
Doesn't make great sense,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:41 - 1:36:42)
you know.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:42 - 1:36:43)
Well

[Speaker 5] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
This is

[Speaker 5] (1:36:44 - 1:36:44)
you again.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:44 - 1:36:47)
publicly stating changes we should make

[Speaker 5] (1:36:47 - 1:36:48)
Thank

[Speaker 6] (1:36:48 - 1:36:48)
as

[Speaker 5] (1:36:48 - 1:36:48)
you,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:48 - 1:36:48)
a panel.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:48 - 1:36:49)
Christa.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:49 - 1:36:54)
Thank you for showing the GIS plan for me that I didn't have in my packet.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:54 - 1:36:55)
And you

[Speaker 6] (1:36:55 - 1:36:59)
It was it wasn't that it was necessary. It was just that it was confusing.

[Speaker 5] (1:36:59 - 1:37:00)
know something?

[Speaker 5] (1:37:00 - 1:37:03)
I never realized where the confusion is going to be.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:03 - 1:37:05)
So as much as I try to anticipate,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:05 - 1:37:07)
you guys are very unanticipatable.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:09 - 1:37:10)
You keep me

[Speaker 1] (1:37:10 - 1:37:11)
Well, it's just good to know that,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:11 - 1:37:11)
keep

[Speaker 1] (1:37:11 - 1:37:11)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:37:11 - 1:37:11)
me

[Speaker 1] (1:37:11 - 1:37:11)
mean.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:11 - 1:37:12)
guessing.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:12 - 1:37:12)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:37:12 - 1:37:12)
The love

[Speaker 6] (1:37:12 - 1:37:13)
want to play poker

[Speaker 1] (1:37:13 - 1:37:13)
is with not

[Speaker 6] (1:37:13 - 1:37:14)
you so

[Speaker 1] (1:37:14 - 1:37:14)
at all.

[Speaker 5] (1:37:14 - 1:37:16)
I refuse to play poker on the radio.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:17 - 1:37:18)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:19 - 1:37:20)
Thank you, Attorney Schitzer.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:20 - 1:37:21)
It's not

[Speaker 3] (1:37:21 - 1:37:21)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:37:21 - 1:37:21)
at all.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:21 - 1:37:26)
moving on to item number four, the proposed zoning bylaw amendments.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:27 - 1:37:28)
Krista, do you

[Speaker 8] (1:37:28 - 1:37:28)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:28 - 1:37:29)
want to talk

[Speaker 8] (1:37:29 - 1:37:29)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:37:29 - 1:37:29)
to you? I'm

[Speaker 8] (1:37:29 - 1:37:29)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:37:29 - 1:37:29)
happy

[Speaker 8] (1:37:29 - 1:37:30)
can

[Speaker 3] (1:37:30 - 1:37:30)
to turn it

[Speaker 8] (1:37:30 - 1:37:30)
speak

[Speaker 3] (1:37:30 - 1:37:30)
to you.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:30 - 1:37:34)
to that a little. Also, welcome back, Chair Dooley.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:34 - 1:37:35)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:35 - 1:37:36)
Hey, chair.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:36 - 1:37:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:37:36 - 1:37:36)
Hello.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:36 - 1:37:37)
take it over, Ted.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:37 - 1:37:39)
So item number four.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:40 - 1:37:43)
Item number four is for proposed zoning bylaw amendments.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:43 - 1:37:47)
It is a follow-up to the discussion that we had last meeting.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:47 - 1:37:49)
A few updates on that.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:50 - 1:37:54)
We had some discussions with KP Law as well as I met with.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:55 - 1:38:00)
Board members Joe Sheridan and Angela to discuss this a little bit.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:01 - 1:38:22)
There's some work we still need to do on the legal side to make sure that we comply in terms of our site plan special permit requirements and the town administrator has had discussions with the select board where there are multiple zoning bylaw amendment changes that are

[Speaker 8] (1:38:23 - 1:38:27)
proposed to go to the December meeting this year instead of May.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:27 - 1:38:34)
So there won't be anything in May and any proposed amendments will be in December,

[Speaker 8] (1:38:34 - 1:38:37)
including on next month's agenda,

[Speaker 8] (1:38:38 - 1:38:44)
Kleinfeld has been working with DPW on proposed amendments for the MS4 permit.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:44 - 1:38:46)
So throughout the,

[Speaker 8] (1:38:46 - 1:38:47)
I know that

[Speaker 8] (1:38:49 - 1:38:58)
Remember Jair Jerma and Joe, you were on a call for that as well. Um so Kleinfelder will be at the next meeting in May to present those changes to you all.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:58 - 1:38:59)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:59 - 1:39:08)
Um and those are also proposed for the December meeting. So there will will be no proposed zoning bylaw amendments in May. But um we have a few in the pipeline potentially for December.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:10 - 1:39:12)
Great. Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14)
Um I also

[Speaker 2] (1:39:13 - 1:39:21)
I also wanted to just call out the amount of work that you and Tim have done on the building,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:21 - 1:39:23)
the planning department,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:23 - 1:39:24)
building department website,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:24 - 1:39:26)
which is really impressive.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:26 - 1:39:36)
And I know that they're still adding a lot of different features and, you know, the online permitting and the information, the way it lays out. I just think that two of you have done...

[Speaker 2] (1:39:37 - 1:39:45)
Really, you know, outstanding job. I know you're still at it, but um I just want to to acknowledge that and bring it up and say thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:46 - 1:39:46)
Yeah, definitely.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:48 - 1:39:59)
We're hoping for some positive changes to come in terms of online permitting and review and um yeah, making sure that everything is ready to go before it comes before you all.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:00 - 1:40:01)
That's great. Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:04 - 1:40:05)
So, okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:05 - 1:40:07)
Did we have anything else we should?

[Speaker 4] (1:40:08 - 1:40:08)
Yep, Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:08 - 1:40:08)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:40:08 - 1:40:08)
Ted.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:08 - 1:40:09)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:40:09 - 1:40:09)
So,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:09 - 1:40:09)
t

[Speaker 4] (1:40:09 - 1:40:09)
Next thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:09 - 1:40:14)
now wait. So Ted, this is your last meeting?

[Speaker 4] (1:40:15 - 1:40:16)
Bittersweet.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:16 - 1:40:17)
Oh my god.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:17 - 1:40:18)
Mostly bitter,

[Speaker 4] (1:40:18 - 1:40:19)
just to be clear.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:20 - 1:40:29)
I, yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm sad. I am, I am sad, but I'm, I'm, I'm hopeful for your future endeavors and

[Speaker 4] (1:40:31 - 1:40:31)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:31 - 1:40:32)
As always,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:32 - 1:40:33)
wish you well with

[Speaker 4] (1:40:33 - 1:40:34)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:34 - 1:40:34)
everything.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:35 - 1:40:47)
It has been a fun experience on the planning board, and I've learned a lot from each of you, especially you, Angela, and Bill's. So I appreciate the time to serve with both of you and and the rest of you.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:47 - 1:40:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:47 - 1:40:48)
So it's been a fun.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:48 - 1:40:49)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:49 - 1:40:50)
It's been a fun five

[Speaker 2] (1:40:50 - 1:40:50)
You've done

[Speaker 4] (1:40:50 - 1:40:50)
years.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:50 - 1:40:52)
an awesome job and we'll miss you,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:52 - 1:40:52)
definitely.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:53 - 1:40:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:54 - 1:40:56)
Thank you. It's been a fun five years.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:57 - 1:41:00)
But you all will have to select a new chair at your next

[Speaker 2] (1:41:00 - 1:41:04)
meeting. We do, we do. Do we have to do it at the next meet, I guess we do.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:04 - 1:41:06)
Well, or Joe could be acting chair as long as

[Speaker 2] (1:41:06 - 1:41:07)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:07 - 1:41:08)
as long as he draws the short straw.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:09 - 1:41:11)
Yeah. Well, it's a f um, you know,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:11 - 1:41:12)
It's a great straw to have.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:12 - 1:41:18)
you're vice chair now, so I don't know if you're interested in being chair, there's that.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:18 - 1:41:24)
Yeah, um I don't know that I really have the the time to be the chair. Um

[Speaker 6] (1:41:24 - 1:41:25)
You know what I mean?

[Speaker 2] (1:41:25 - 1:41:26)
I do know what you make.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:26 - 1:41:26)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:41:26 - 1:41:27)
I do.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (1:41:31 - 1:41:39)
yeah, I guess you know better than anyone, Angela. Um uh but that's my uh concern is I'm in Boston most days.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:39 - 1:41:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:40 - 1:41:42)
Um uh so

[Speaker 2] (1:41:43 - 1:41:45)
Do you want to think it over? We don't have to you don't

[Speaker 7] (1:41:45 - 1:41:46)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:46 - 1:41:46)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:46 - 1:41:47)
are you do you wanna I slot mean, tonight?

[Speaker 6] (1:41:47 - 1:41:49)
no no no, I think we I think we should talk about

[Speaker 7] (1:41:49 - 1:41:49)
Something to

[Speaker 6] (1:41:49 - 1:41:49)
it,

[Speaker 7] (1:41:49 - 1:41:50)
also loud actually.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:50 - 1:41:58)
uh uh yeah, I mean I I you know I'm happy to fill in in situations like this, but um

[Speaker 6] (1:41:59 - 1:42:09)
I mean I just know that I'm not going to be able to do the sorts of things that you've done that Mike did and that Ted has done um I'm just not available enough.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:09 - 1:42:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:10 - 1:42:11)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:42:11 - 1:42:12)
So I understand that.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:14 - 1:42:14)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:14 - 1:42:19)
The piece of feedback that I would share for whatever my insight is,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:19 - 1:42:20)
however valuable it is,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:20 - 1:42:26)
I think there's opportunities to create some more time efficiencies.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:27 - 1:42:32)
You know, I spent a lot of time, I think, doing staff meetings when I was in pre-application meetings.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:33 - 1:42:37)
But I relied a lot, Angela was there for a lot, Joe, you were there for a lot as well.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:38 - 1:42:43)
So I think I would suggest that as the board looks through leadership,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:43 - 1:42:46)
chair and vice chair, for the next term,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:46 - 1:42:53)
maybe you have a conversation with Krista and Marzi to figure out how to best divide and conquer on that because

[Speaker 4] (1:42:54 - 1:43:07)
As Angela can speak to, you know, if if one person kind of carries the load it's a it's a heavy load to carry. There's a lot of hours. But dividing and conquering, like you guys have client felder at this most recent meeting, you know, th there's nothing

[Speaker 2] (1:43:07 - 1:43:08)
I like your doing now,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:08 - 1:43:18)
there's nothing that specifically says the onus is only on the chair. So there's a lot of opportunity to kind of share the it's not a burden, but share the burden across

[Speaker 2] (1:43:18 - 1:43:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:18 - 1:43:21)
um across that 'cause really the goal of the chair is to run the meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:22 - 1:43:31)
But there's a lot of work to be done between meetings that I feel like the board can share more effectively than than I was able to when I was, you know, serving in that role.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:35 - 1:43:37)
Krista, what do you think?

[Speaker 8] (1:43:37 - 1:43:43)
Yeah, absolutely. There will also be efficiencies that come when we do transition to online permitting.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:43 - 1:43:50)
The hope is that applications will be in a more ripe state to be voted on by the time they get to you all,

[Speaker 8] (1:43:51 - 1:44:01)
which should hopefully reduce some burden there as well. But I also want to thank you all. Even now, you've all...

[Speaker 8] (1:44:02 - 1:44:29)
participated in meetings you know outside of regular hours and I do think you know there is opportunity for that to be shared throughout the board if if you are all willing I know schedules are tough but we'll we'll do whatever we can but we also are hoping to hopefully have things in a more ready state for you all by the time that they get before you

[Speaker 8] (1:44:30 - 1:44:35)
So we're we're working on it. There's still a lot of work to be done. But yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:44:35 - 1:44:44)
we are flexible and we want to make sure that people don't get burned out and that you all, you know, have the support that you need.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:44 - 1:44:50)
So anything that we can do on our end, we're willing to work with you all to make that work, whether it's scheduling or other things.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:54 - 1:44:55)
So um

[Speaker 6] (1:44:56 - 1:45:08)
And I and I have to say, like, you have been putting out the meetings that need coverage um across us and, you know, we're it's not all landing on the chair.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:08 - 1:45:08)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (1:45:08 - 1:45:18)
I would say honestly a lot of the toughest times that we had was and that I had personally but you too Ted was then when we didn't have a when we didn't have a planning staff or

[Speaker 6] (1:45:18 - 1:45:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:18 - 1:45:19)
when we were really

[Speaker 4] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19)
Very

[Speaker 2] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19)
you

[Speaker 4] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19)
true.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:19 - 1:45:27)
know at inadequate help but from time to time and that made it really difficult and we're not in that situation

[Speaker 6] (1:45:27 - 1:45:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:27 - 1:45:27)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:27 - 1:45:30)
anymore so luckily so that

[Speaker 6] (1:45:30 - 1:45:30)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (1:45:30 - 1:45:34)
I you. think changes a lot it definitely changes a lot

[Speaker 2] (1:45:34 - 1:45:35)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:45:36 - 1:45:37)
you know, so

[Speaker 6] (1:45:37 - 1:45:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:38 - 1:46:03)
And with any luck some of the bigger projects that require a lot of the pre-application review will be filing for a site plan special permit with you all in the next thirty to ninety days, so that takes I can you know. That took a lot of staff time and a lot of meeting time that I don't think the next chair, I hope to God, will not have to spend that same amount of time on a specific project going through pre-application hand-holding.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:07 - 1:46:07)
So,

[Speaker 9] (1:46:07 - 1:46:08)
You guys can raise your hand.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:08 - 1:46:28)
bill has, you know, historically, I'm not, I don't want to put words in your mouth. But historically, you've expressed to me on, that you hadn't been interested in being chair and I think I've kind of, you know, I never bugged you about, you know, anything in my, during my time because I, you had told me that.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:29 - 1:46:29)
So,

[Speaker 2] (1:46:29 - 1:46:31)
I don't want to speak for you now either.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:31 - 1:46:34)
so, so let me, let me have reiterate that for, for the crowd.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:36 - 1:46:38)
It's not interest as much as time,

[Speaker 2] (1:46:38 - 1:46:39)
That's what I I've kind of meant, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:39 - 1:46:46)
and um I also work out of town and I many times barely make it here, but so

[Speaker 2] (1:46:46 - 1:46:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:47 - 1:46:54)
so and it's not the kind of thing that I can just not uh you know not not go to to the to my office job.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:54 - 1:46:55)
So uh

[Speaker 2] (1:46:55 - 1:46:56)
Really?

[Speaker 2] (1:46:56 - 1:46:56)
Gee.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:58 - 1:46:59)
Well, some some chapter

[Speaker 2] (1:46:59 - 1:46:59)
I'm kidding.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:59 - 1:47:00)
flexible, you know,

[Speaker 2] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00)
I'm

[Speaker 9] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00)
kidding.

[Speaker 9] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00)
but

[Speaker 2] (1:47:00 - 1:47:02)
I'm joking with you, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:47:02 - 1:47:10)
so i certainly is not for the lack of interest, it's it's definitely um not being able to provide it the attention that

[Speaker 2] (1:47:10 - 1:47:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:47:10 - 1:47:21)
it needs to do it properly, which you did for so many years and Ted has for uh two three five seven years.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:21 - 1:47:21)
Something like that.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:22 - 1:47:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:22 - 1:47:22)
Long bye.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:24 - 1:47:41)
So, the bottom line is it doesn't, you know, totally get where you're coming from. Um and you know I think that, y know, from my perspective, I mean I've I've served on the board for a long time, I'm happy to help and, you know, fill in a lot of spaces and

[Speaker 2] (1:47:41 - 1:47:46)
You know, give, if you know you wanna and I understand what you're saying totally, so I didn't mean to say

[Speaker 9] (1:47:46 - 1:47:46)
Yeah, I see what

[Speaker 2] (1:47:46 - 1:47:47)
you didn't feel like

[Speaker 9] (1:47:47 - 1:47:48)
No, I have so to take

[Speaker 2] (1:47:48 - 1:47:48)
I get it,

[Speaker 9] (1:47:48 - 1:47:49)
it, don't worry.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:49 - 1:47:55)
okay. Um but from your standpoint I also really get where you're coming from and and I think that it's um

[Speaker 2] (1:47:56 - 1:48:10)
you know, it is it is a um certainly a position that that you've earned at this point and if you you know chose to do it and you'd need to I know that you would need to count on a lot of support and help, which I think you have.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:10 - 1:48:18)
So that's one thing I just want you to have in your head. That doesn't mean that, you know, you still can't say, you know what, it just, it just I can't. So

[Speaker 6] (1:48:18 - 1:48:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:18 - 1:48:22)
that's cool. All right, and we'll, you know, we will sort it out.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:23 - 1:48:24)
We'll sort it out.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:27 - 1:48:27)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:48:27 - 1:48:29)
What may also be helpful is I don't

[Speaker 4] (1:48:33 - 1:48:36)
there shouldn't be a time other than this December town meeting,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:36 - 1:48:38)
I can envision there being a

[Speaker 4] (1:48:39 - 1:49:04)
whole lot of intermeeting work to be done in the next two or three months. Plus it's becoming summer and a lot of the projects that have are going on in construction have already come before us. So I think you'll have runway to kind of tread water figuring out who the next chair who might be the right person for that role over the next couple of meetings to figure out a more year-long permanent solution.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:05 - 1:49:09)
That's way of saying you know I wouldn't recommend taking a vote tonight and meeting to figure

[Speaker 2] (1:49:11 - 1:49:16)
Right, and I think technically we would be voting next meeting. This is just

[Speaker 1] (1:49:16 - 1:49:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:16 - 1:49:17)
agenda item for discussion.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:18 - 1:49:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:18 - 1:49:18)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:49:19 - 1:49:19)
Um

[Speaker 4] (1:49:19 - 1:49:21)
So are we gonna be short a member also?

[Speaker 3] (1:49:21 - 1:49:28)
I would like to talk to that too, because we're in a situation where there is not a candidate for this.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:29 - 1:49:29)
And

[Speaker 5] (1:49:29 - 1:49:29)
We

[Speaker 3] (1:49:29 - 1:49:30)
which

[Speaker 5] (1:49:30 - 1:49:30)
had someone

[Speaker 3] (1:49:30 - 1:49:30)
means

[Speaker 5] (1:49:30 - 1:49:34)
who was very interested. Did you know if that has moved ahead or not?

[Speaker 2] (1:49:34 - 1:49:37)
I'm not sure the exact status of

[Speaker 5] (1:49:37 - 1:49:37)
I don't

[Speaker 2] (1:49:37 - 1:49:37)
it.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:37 - 1:49:39)
want to mention anything because I don't know. I don't want to

[Speaker 2] (1:49:39 - 1:49:39)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:39 - 1:49:41)
publicly say something.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:41 - 1:49:42)
There have...

[Speaker 2] (1:49:42 - 1:49:48)
There has been talk of someone who's potentially interested, the way that that would have to work would be by write-in vote.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:48 - 1:49:49)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:49 - 1:49:49)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:49 - 1:49:52)
So I don't know if they've officially declared interest

[Speaker 5] (1:49:52 - 1:49:53)
Follow up on that.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:53 - 1:49:53)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:49:53 - 1:49:53)
or

[Speaker 3] (1:49:53 - 1:49:54)
there's

[Speaker 2] (1:49:54 - 1:49:54)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:54 - 1:49:54)
no,

[Speaker 5] (1:49:54 - 1:49:54)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:54 - 1:49:56)
I mean there's there,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:56 - 1:49:59)
at this point in time we're past it, it has

[Speaker 5] (1:49:59 - 1:49:59)
right.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:59 - 1:49:59)
to be right.

[Speaker 5] (1:49:59 - 1:49:59)
It would have

[Speaker 2] (1:49:59 - 1:50:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:00 - 1:50:00)
to be a write-in

[Speaker 3] (1:50:00 - 1:50:00)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:50:00 - 1:50:01)
and there

[Speaker 3] (1:50:01 - 1:50:01)
but

[Speaker 5] (1:50:01 - 1:50:05)
is a possibility of that, but I just don't know where of that right now.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:05 - 1:50:08)
the reality is there's also the possibility.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:08 - 1:50:09)
of a write-in that

[Speaker 5] (1:50:09 - 1:50:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:10 - 1:50:16)
is, you know, I think if we want to be thoughtful about what are our needs on this commission

[Speaker 3] (1:50:17 - 1:50:18)
and and

[Speaker 5] (1:50:18 - 1:50:18)
Or

[Speaker 3] (1:50:18 - 1:50:31)
potentially bored, and potentially who can we be asking to consider a write-in campaign, because realistically I don't think this is something that should be left to

[Speaker 2] (1:50:32 - 1:50:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:32 - 1:50:33)
somebody

[Speaker 5] (1:50:33 - 1:50:33)
Although

[Speaker 3] (1:50:33 - 1:50:34)
that gets bored both.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:34 - 1:50:40)
someone gets to, there is, you know, there is someone that had expressed interest who

[Speaker 5] (1:50:41 - 1:50:46)
Quite frankly, it would be an excellent candidate in my opinion, that's my personal opinion.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:46 - 1:50:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:46 - 1:50:52)
Um I don't know where that stands, I haven't involved myself for a variety of reasons but um

[Speaker 3] (1:50:52 - 1:50:54)
And was that expressed before

[Speaker 4] (1:50:55 - 1:50:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:55 - 1:50:56)
Re it's recently recently.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:56 - 1:51:00)
Since since permits or the the petitions have been closed.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:00 - 1:51:00)
Oh yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:00 - 1:51:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:00 - 1:51:01)
just since

[Speaker 2] (1:51:01 - 1:51:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:01 - 1:51:02)
and you know yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:02 - 1:51:05)
Okay. But I think that that that's um that's

[Speaker 5] (1:51:05 - 1:51:08)
You can't run and you can't take all papers anymore,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:08 - 1:51:08)
No,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:08 - 1:51:08)
so there's already

[Speaker 3] (1:51:08 - 1:51:09)
exactly.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
like a But could happen

[Speaker 3] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
you can

[Speaker 5] (1:51:09 - 1:51:10)
and be right by

[Speaker 3] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10)
you can

[Speaker 5] (1:51:10 - 1:51:11)
writing it.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:11 - 1:51:12)
sign you

[Speaker 5] (1:51:12 - 1:51:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:12 - 1:51:13)
can pamphlet

[Speaker 5] (1:51:13 - 1:51:14)
You can get

[Speaker 3] (1:51:14 - 1:51:14)
you

[Speaker 5] (1:51:14 - 1:51:14)
quite a

[Speaker 3] (1:51:14 - 1:51:15)
can

[Speaker 5] (1:51:15 - 1:51:16)
write-in campaign right.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:16 - 1:51:17)
There there and I think that

[Speaker 5] (1:51:17 - 1:51:17)
100

[Speaker 3] (1:51:17 - 1:51:18)
that's

[Speaker 5] (1:51:18 - 1:51:21)
signatures we need for that. I think you have to go to 50.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:21 - 1:51:22)
Fifty or twenty five, I forget.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:22 - 1:51:23)
For what?

[Speaker 4] (1:51:23 - 1:51:23)
Ten.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:23 - 1:51:24)
For what To to

[Speaker 5] (1:51:24 - 1:51:25)
used to be ten. They change

[Speaker 1] (1:51:25 - 1:51:25)
to win a

[Speaker 3] (1:51:25 - 1:51:25)
signatures

[Speaker 1] (1:51:25 - 1:51:25)
write-in vote?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:25 - 1:51:27)
or to get on by write-in?

[Speaker 5] (1:51:27 - 1:51:28)
Um right ins.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:32)
To get on by write-in you need eleven signatures. Eleven

[Speaker 3] (1:51:32 - 1:51:32)
Eleven

[Speaker 1] (1:51:32 - 1:51:32)
votes.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:32 - 1:51:33)
votes.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:33 - 1:51:33)
Excuse me.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:33 - 1:51:36)
Oh I thought it was I thought Jared changed that.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:36 - 1:51:38)
The I don't think the select board approved

[Speaker 3] (1:51:38 - 1:51:39)
There was an attempt

[Speaker 1] (1:51:39 - 1:51:41)
that like a year ago or two ago.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:41 - 1:51:46)
There was an attempt. I didn't think it was for committees. I

[Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:46)
Oh you're

[Speaker 3] (1:51:46 - 1:51:47)
think it

[Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
right it was

[Speaker 3] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
was

[Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
for

[Speaker 3] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
for

[Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
town

[Speaker 3] (1:51:47 - 1:51:49)
boards. It was for town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:49 - 1:51:50)
Meeting members right

[Speaker 3] (1:51:50 - 1:51:51)
And we did finally,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:51 - 1:51:55)
I believe that was defeated because it was an arbitrary,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:55 - 1:51:58)
the numbers were just arbitrary and there was no way to.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:58 - 1:51:59)
Right, right. That was like

[Speaker 1] (1:51:59 - 1:51:59)
That's

[Speaker 5] (1:51:59 - 1:52:00)
if you

[Speaker 1] (1:52:00 - 1:52:00)
what

[Speaker 5] (1:52:00 - 1:52:00)
got

[Speaker 1] (1:52:00 - 1:52:00)
it was

[Speaker 5] (1:52:00 - 1:52:01)
three votes you were in,

[Speaker 5] (1:52:01 - 1:52:02)
right? But this one.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:02 - 1:52:03)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (1:52:03 - 1:52:03)
You're

[Speaker 5] (1:52:03 - 1:52:03)
know that

[Speaker 1] (1:52:03 - 1:52:04)
right, they wanted

[Speaker 5] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
I'll

[Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
to raise

[Speaker 5] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
get stuck

[Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04)
it.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:04 - 1:52:05)
with a chain

[Speaker 3] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
They wanted

[Speaker 5] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
check.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:05 - 1:52:16)
to raise it to a specific number and the, you know, and to be frank with you, I'm actually not in support of that because what is, what's the difference between ten and fifteen?

[Speaker 3] (1:52:17 - 1:52:24)
You know, it's it's like how do you pick a number and and make logic of it. But the the reality with this,

[Speaker 5] (1:52:24 - 1:52:25)
But if

[Speaker 3] (1:52:25 - 1:52:27)
if there is someone that that

[Speaker 3] (1:52:27 - 1:52:39)
has a skill set that we could use. And I'll be frank with you, um there there are certainly skill sets that we would benefit from.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:39 - 1:52:40)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:40 - 1:52:55)
You know, so that's that's a that's a situation where I think there's obviously the attorney is is one of them. But I I wonder sort of you know what is out there

[Speaker 3] (1:52:56 - 1:52:58)
in our in our population

[Speaker 5] (1:52:58 - 1:52:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:58 - 1:53:03)
of people that we might have people with a planning background we might have

[Speaker 3] (1:53:04 - 1:53:07)
another architect that works in a different sort of um

[Speaker 5] (1:53:07 - 1:53:08)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:08 - 1:53:10)
a s a scale of

[Speaker 5] (1:53:10 - 1:53:14)
Agreed. And in a perfect universe where,

[Speaker 5] (1:53:14 - 1:53:16)
you know, things didn't kind of flip the way they had,

[Speaker 5] (1:53:17 - 1:53:19)
we'd have more time to recruit someone.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:19 - 1:53:25)
So I knew the way it worked for town meeting was this, because my husband got written in once.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:25 - 1:53:25)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:53:25 - 1:53:25)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:53:25 - 1:53:26)
it's

[Speaker 3] (1:53:26 - 1:53:27)
started as a write-in.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:27 - 1:53:27)
he,

[Speaker 5] (1:53:27 - 1:53:30)
oh really? But so you are only allowed to serve for that.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:30 - 1:53:31)
that year.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:31 - 1:53:37)
The following town meeting you had to go out and run. So that's the way it works for town meeting.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:37 - 1:53:43)
You're not elected to a three year thing like you are if you actually get your papers and you sign.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:43 - 1:53:49)
If you get elected as a write-in you are elected for that year and then you have to run.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:50 - 1:53:59)
When I first came on the planning board I was appointed by the select board because one of the members had a tragedy in their family and had to quit.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:59 - 1:54:02)
So they were looking for someone to appoint.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:02 - 1:54:04)
Soon as I finished his term,

[Speaker 5] (1:54:04 - 1:54:05)
which was just a few months,

[Speaker 5] (1:54:05 - 1:54:05)
I had to run.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:05 - 1:54:06)
I wasn't a member.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:07 - 1:54:10)
I I think that's something that we do have to look and see what that policy

[Speaker 5] (1:54:10 - 1:54:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:10 - 1:54:11)
is, because

[Speaker 5] (1:54:11 - 1:54:11)
we need

[Speaker 3] (1:54:11 - 1:54:11)
when I

[Speaker 5] (1:54:11 - 1:54:11)
we need

[Speaker 3] (1:54:11 - 1:54:12)
was

[Speaker 5] (1:54:12 - 1:54:12)
to.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:12 - 1:54:12)
a write-in,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:12 - 1:54:13)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:54:13 - 1:54:13)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:13 - 1:54:13)
was

[Speaker 1] (1:54:13 - 1:54:13)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:54:13 - 1:54:20)
We also we have a new clerk, so I can meet with her and kind of send you all an email with all the information

[Speaker 3] (1:54:20 - 1:54:20)
But I

[Speaker 2] (1:54:20 - 1:54:22)
so that we're all up to date.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:30 - 1:54:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
Clinton

[Speaker 4] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
he

[Speaker 5] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
Bache.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:31 - 1:54:32)
went to California

[Speaker 5] (1:54:32 - 1:54:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:32 - 1:54:34)
uh we appointed somebody else without

[Speaker 5] (1:54:34 - 1:54:35)
We

[Speaker 4] (1:54:35 - 1:54:35)
direction.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:35 - 1:54:36)
did appoint a sub

[Speaker 5] (1:54:36 - 1:54:36)
One of

[Speaker 3] (1:54:36 - 1:54:36)
Beth?

[Speaker 5] (1:54:36 - 1:54:36)
the girls.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:36 - 1:54:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:37 - 1:54:37)
Is it Beth?

[Speaker 5] (1:54:37 - 1:54:38)
Oh, Beth.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:38 - 1:54:39)
So in the in

[Speaker 5] (1:54:39 - 1:54:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:39 - 1:54:46)
if there's a vacancy in the board, the select board will appoint the replacement until the next regularly scheduled election,

[Speaker 1] (1:54:46 - 1:54:47)
which would be next April.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:47 - 1:54:48)
She, great.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:48 - 1:54:56)
But for a write-in, for Joe's election for town meeting, town meeting is different 'cause some town some years there's town meeting terms that are different year lengths.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:56 - 1:54:58)
Alright, so we need to we need to get

[Speaker 1] (1:54:58 - 1:54:58)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:54:58 - 1:54:58)
in there.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:58 - 1:54:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:54:58 - 1:55:00)
it my it's my understanding it's the full

[Speaker 3] (1:55:00 - 1:55:00)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:00 - 1:55:02)
term. Someone wins on a write-in, they get the whole five years.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:02 - 1:55:02)
Even if it's

[Speaker 3] (1:55:02 - 1:55:04)
if it's full term or not full term,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:05 - 1:55:31)
we need skills and and we Yeah. need to to have this. And I'm not saying, you know, I'm not trying to say that someone that got written in wouldn't necessarily have skills, but I do think to serve the town and to serve what the role of this board is um s some thought going into people that we might encourage to actually have a writing campaign. The election is what date?

[Speaker 1] (1:55:31 - 1:55:33)
Day two weeks from tomorrow, April twenty eight.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:34 - 1:55:35)
Yeah, so um

[Speaker 5] (1:55:35 - 1:55:48)
So let's um we have to we need to figure a bunch of stuff out before then just to get some status information and decide what we want to do, 'cause it's important that we have a full board.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:48 - 1:55:49)
Hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:49 - 1:55:50)
uh even

[Speaker 3] (1:55:50 - 1:55:50)
So if

[Speaker 5] (1:55:50 - 1:55:50)
if it's

[Speaker 3] (1:55:50 - 1:55:51)
we don't

[Speaker 5] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
just

[Speaker 3] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
we

[Speaker 5] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
for

[Speaker 3] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
can

[Speaker 5] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
a

[Speaker 3] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
we

[Speaker 5] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
year.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:51 - 1:55:52)
can appoint someone.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:52 - 1:55:52)
Pardon me?

[Speaker 3] (1:55:52 - 1:55:54)
If we don't, we can appoint someone.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:54 - 1:55:56)
Well I don't think you can when it's not

[Speaker 1] (1:55:56 - 1:55:56)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (1:55:56 - 1:55:56)
um

[Speaker 1] (1:55:56 - 1:55:57)
but the select board

[Speaker 6] (1:55:57 - 1:55:57)
The select

[Speaker 1] (1:55:57 - 1:55:57)
appoints.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:57 - 1:55:58)
board appoints.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:58 - 1:56:02)
I think the jurors point, though, that there's a chance that someone just gets 11 votes and

[Speaker 1] (1:56:02 - 1:56:02)
Yeah, like,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:02 - 1:56:02)
someone who

[Speaker 1] (1:56:02 - 1:56:03)
you

[Speaker 2] (1:56:03 - 1:56:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:03 - 1:56:04)
you know, just doesn't

[Speaker 1] (1:56:04 - 1:56:04)
could.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:04 - 1:56:04)
know what's up.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:05 - 1:56:07)
So, so yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:07 - 1:56:13)
No, I mean, it's somebody that's that somebody could make that decision. They could ask three of their neighbors and they could be on the board.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:14 - 1:56:19)
And there's nothing wrong with that, but the board should have a certain

[Speaker 2] (1:56:19 - 1:56:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:56:19 - 1:56:20)
It's good to know

[Speaker 3] (1:56:20 - 1:56:20)
skill.

[Speaker 4] (1:56:20 - 1:56:21)
some background of the people that are being appointed

[Speaker 3] (1:56:21 - 1:56:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:56:22 - 1:56:22)
and elected.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:22 - 1:56:28)
yeah, yeah. And and and you know, if it if it just lands to being a a write-in, I just am thinking

[Speaker 2] (1:56:28 - 1:56:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:28 - 1:56:36)
if there's anyone that we know of that would bring something that we could encourage them to consider having a write-in.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:37 - 1:56:39)
Um I think there might be some logic to that.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:39 - 1:56:39)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:39 - 1:56:51)
So it doesn't have to be us doing this as a board, it probably shouldn't be us doing that as a board. But as individuals, if you know someone that has a skill set that would be valuable to the town

[Speaker 3] (1:56:52 - 1:57:14)
I think each of us should think about it and reach out to people and see if if there could be and I would be perfectly happy if there were four great people running writing campaigns. But I think there being some thought behind it, I just sort of think that that's that's the case. And I want to make it clear I am bringing this up in a public meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:14 - 1:57:17)
I am also talking to people around town saying,

[Speaker 5] (1:57:17 - 1:57:18)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:18 - 1:57:19)
do you know anyone good from this?

[Speaker 3] (1:57:19 - 1:57:26)
for this can you encourage them because I think there are there are definitely opportunities

[Speaker 2] (1:57:26 - 1:57:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:27 - 1:57:39)
here but I don't know what you know maybe somebody will get three votes and they'll be just the perfect person it'll be great but I

[Speaker 5] (1:57:39 - 1:57:40)
You never know.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:40 - 1:57:42)
don't ever know

[Speaker 5] (1:57:45 - 1:57:48)
But good, that's a okay so we have some a few marching orders to

[Speaker 1] (1:57:49 - 1:57:50)
You find out in fifteen days.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:51 - 1:57:51)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:57:51 - 1:57:51)
We

[Speaker 5] (1:57:51 - 1:57:51)
know.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:51 - 1:57:51)
shall.

[Speaker 5] (1:57:51 - 1:57:54)
Oh I'd like to find out a little more before then, but

[Speaker 1] (1:57:54 - 1:57:56)
Fourteen days and twenty three hours

[Speaker 5] (1:57:56 - 1:57:56)
Yeah, but

[Speaker 1] (1:57:56 - 1:57:56)
and thirteen

[Speaker 5] (1:57:56 - 1:57:58)
who's counting? minutes. But who's counting?

[Speaker 5] (1:57:59 - 1:58:02)
Oh, it's funny.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:03 - 1:58:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:04 - 1:58:05)
Uh okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:08 - 1:58:15)
So I guess I need a cheers to thank Ted for his uh service over the years. And I guess my only hope here is that he'll be missed on this board certainly for

[Speaker 5] (1:58:15 - 1:58:15)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:15 - 1:58:23)
the level of uh stability and sort of straight thinking and and even shooting and completeness.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:24 - 1:58:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:24 - 1:58:31)
Uh my only hope is that he could do that on the select board uh for the next what three year term at least.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:31 - 1:58:31)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:31 - 1:58:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:32 - 1:58:33)
So um yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:34 - 1:58:34)
You too,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:34 - 1:58:34)
Thank you, Bill.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:34 - 1:58:34)
and thank

[Speaker 1] (1:58:34 - 1:58:36)
I appreciate the kind words

[Speaker 5] (1:58:36 - 1:58:36)
you for

[Speaker 1] (1:58:36 - 1:58:36)
and

[Speaker 5] (1:58:36 - 1:58:36)
a lot of

[Speaker 1] (1:58:36 - 1:58:36)
encouragement.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:36 - 1:58:37)
words of support.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:37 - 1:58:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:38 - 1:58:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:38 - 1:58:38)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:58:38 - 1:58:38)
Thank you too.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:38 - 1:58:39)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:39 - 1:58:39)
We all

[Speaker 4] (1:58:39 - 1:58:39)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (1:58:39 - 1:58:39)
support

[Speaker 4] (1:58:39 - 1:58:40)
you, sir.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
you very

[Speaker 1] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (1:58:40 - 1:58:41)
much.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:41 - 1:58:41)
you.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:41 - 1:58:47)
And if you win like we hope you do,

[Speaker 5] (1:58:47 - 1:58:47)
you have,

[Speaker 5] (1:58:48 - 1:58:51)
they'll be all the more fortunate for it.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:52 - 1:58:52)
So that's

[Speaker 1] (1:58:52 - 1:58:53)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 5] (1:58:53 - 1:58:54)
my humble opinion.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:55 - 1:58:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:57 - 1:58:58)
And since this is my last meeting,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:58 - 1:59:01)
thank you all, especially you, Angela and Bill. You've been great mentors.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04)
But also Krista, it's been great.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:17 - 1:59:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:18)
thank you for what you've done.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:18 - 1:59:21)
Yeah, thank you for your service. It's been a pleasure.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:25 - 1:59:25)
Sometimes.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:26 - 1:59:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:29)
This is an early meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:29 - 1:59:33)
I would make a motion to to end this early meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:33 - 1:59:34)
Okay. It's

[Speaker 1] (1:59:34 - 1:59:34)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:34 - 1:59:34)
all moved.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:34 - 1:59:35)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:36 - 1:59:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:37 - 1:59:38)
I think so.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:38 - 1:59:39)
All right guys.