[Speaker 1] (4:07 - 4:14)
And welcome to the April 21st meeting of the Swampscott Zoning Board of Appeals.

[Speaker 1] (4:15 - 4:21)
The first item on our agenda is, well the first item is past minutes, but we don't have them.

[Speaker 1] (4:21 - 4:28)
We're gonna go straight to number two, which is the continued petition number 25-18,

[Speaker 1] (4:28 - 4:30)
which is by Scott Miller,

[Speaker 1] (4:30 - 4:31)
who is here,

[Speaker 1] (4:31 - 4:34)
and this is

[Speaker 1] (4:34 - 4:53)
a special permit to remove an existing hip roof, construct a new gabled roof, um resulting in an addition of seven hundred and fifty four square feet um and also a dimensional special permit to construct a covered porch over an existing covered porch. So we've met we've looked at this before.

[Speaker 2] (4:53 - 4:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (4:54 - 4:58)
So do you do you want to go over just the changes since last we were here?

[Speaker 2] (4:58 - 5:03)
Yeah, basically uh yeah I I think the the main concern there was on the

[Speaker 2] (5:03 - 5:24)
on the deck and it was although it was done under a permit it still was it didn't survey out at six feet which is the closest we could come to the boundary line so and looking at it and figuring that

[Speaker 2] (5:25 - 5:39)
Uh I sh I sh I n I need to see what's underneath there anyway, so I was just gonna move it three inches and that'll be under uh in compliance with the uh with with the zoning.

[Speaker 1] (5:39 - 5:47)
Okay, so you'll need um to go so the so seven and a half feet is allowed, six and six feet is allowed with a special permit.

[Speaker 1] (5:47 - 5:51)
So you'll need a special permit for that. Um and then I know you're also um

[Speaker 1] (5:53 - 6:02)
Look you're also doing the addition and you've been to planning a couple times it looks and I reread the notes from the last planning meeting looks like you're got continued you're going to go back and

[Speaker 2] (6:02 - 6:02)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (6:02 - 6:18)
I don't know I'll see what other people on the board think I believe that the is is there any zoning relief needed other than that for assuming that you are you're you're not asking for any relief on height

[Speaker 1] (6:18 - 6:26)
You're not asking for any relief on the square footage. I understand that you're still working on confirming the square footage with the planning board

[Speaker 2] (6:26 - 6:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (6:26 - 6:30)
to make sure that it it's documented for what is actually happening.

[Speaker 2] (6:30 - 6:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (6:30 - 6:35)
And so that the height the height over the allowable

[Speaker 2] (6:35 - 6:36)
Yeah, everything's in compliance.

[Speaker 1] (6:36 - 6:37)
height is under the fifty percent.

[Speaker 2] (6:37 - 6:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (6:38 - 6:40)
But that you're not asking for any relief on that.

[Speaker 2] (6:40 - 6:40)
No,

[Speaker 2] (6:40 - 6:41)
no,

[Speaker 1] (6:41 - 6:41)
No.

[Speaker 2] (6:41 - 6:41)
no.

[Speaker 1] (6:41 - 6:46)
So normally I would say I'd like to have that all figured out before we

[Speaker 1] (6:47 - 7:02)
vote, but if we are going to offer relief strictly on the dimensional special permit um to build that basically that's the upper deck that makes the lower deck out of compliance because now the lower deck is a covered deck and so

[Speaker 2] (7:02 - 7:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (7:02 - 7:02)
that's

[Speaker 2] (7:02 - 7:03)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (7:03 - 7:03)
where you need to

[Speaker 2] (7:03 - 7:03)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (7:03 - 7:11)
so basically we can give you the relief for the six feet, um but I think any decision we make

[Speaker 1] (7:12 - 7:21)
would really not talk about the addition at all, as as in the addition is um bas is basically the building inspector and planning that have

[Speaker 2] (7:21 - 7:21)
Planning,

[Speaker 1] (7:21 - 7:21)
to do a section

[Speaker 2] (7:21 - 7:21)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (7:21 - 7:22)
with

[Speaker 2] (7:22 - 7:22)
exactly,

[Speaker 1] (7:22 - 7:22)
that.

[Speaker 2] (7:22 - 7:22)
right.

[Speaker 1] (7:22 - 7:25)
Does anybody disagree with me on that or

[Speaker 3] (7:25 - 7:29)
Oh, I agree with you. I think that we should if we're being asked just for that limited

[Speaker 3] (7:31 - 7:32)
Relief. You

[Speaker 1] (7:32 - 7:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (7:32 - 7:33)
should address that, don't

[Speaker 1] (7:33 - 7:33)
Just

[Speaker 3] (7:33 - 7:33)
think address anyone else.

[Speaker 1] (7:33 - 7:37)
that and don't give any relief on anything else and let that go through planning the proper thon

[Speaker 2] (7:37 - 7:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (7:37 - 7:37)
and

[Speaker 2] (7:37 - 7:38)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (7:38 - 7:38)
the buildings

[Speaker 2] (7:38 - 7:38)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (7:38 - 7:39)
commissioner.

[Speaker 1] (7:39 - 7:42)
So that would be my thoughts on this. Does anybody?

[Speaker 4] (7:44 - 7:51)
I'm fine with that assuming whatever goes through planning wouldn't have to end up coming back to us again anyway, like will we see this again?

[Speaker 1] (7:52 - 7:54)
We shouldn't see this again assuming

[Speaker 2] (7:54 - 7:54)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (7:54 - 7:58)
that you don't need any anymore relief that everything is is as of right.

[Speaker 1] (7:58 - 8:10)
Um it just means that the decision should be very limited and should really be stay that we are only giving relief for for this we're not giving any height relief we're not giving any square footage relief uh we're not gonna giving y you're not adding a unit this is

[Speaker 2] (8:11 - 8:16)
Yeah, it's all got it's 50% of the third floor will be of the second floor

[Speaker 1] (8:17 - 8:19)
Yeah, and it's going to be part of that unit. They're going to be that

[Speaker 2] (8:19 - 8:20)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (8:20 - 8:20)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (8:20 - 8:21)
It's part of that unit.

[Speaker 1] (8:21 - 8:21)
It's

[Speaker 2] (8:21 - 8:21)
It's not

[Speaker 1] (8:21 - 8:22)
part of a that separate It's

[Speaker 2] (8:22 - 8:22)
unit,

[Speaker 1] (8:22 - 8:22)
not a separate

[Speaker 2] (8:22 - 8:22)
right?

[Speaker 1] (8:22 - 8:22)
unit

[Speaker 1] (8:23 - 8:29)
so there's no other relief you need from us, so I think that's that's what I would recommend

[Speaker 1] (8:31 - 8:31)
The

[Speaker 2] (8:31 - 8:35)
Now how about for the special permit? What do I do for a special permit?

[Speaker 1] (8:35 - 8:39)
So what we would do is we would vote now on the special permit to get the six the

[Speaker 2] (8:39 - 8:39)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (8:39 - 8:39)
the

[Speaker 2] (8:39 - 8:39)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (8:39 - 8:39)
six

[Speaker 2] (8:39 - 8:40)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 1] (8:40 - 8:41)
feet first the seven and a half

[Speaker 2] (8:41 - 8:41)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (8:41 - 8:41)
feet and

[Speaker 2] (8:41 - 8:42)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (8:42 - 8:47)
then we would so that would all happen here tonight if if

[Speaker 2] (8:47 - 8:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (8:47 - 8:47)
everyone agrees

[Speaker 2] (8:47 - 8:47)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 1] (8:47 - 8:55)
and the board is just the five of us because she's out so then

[Speaker 1] (8:56 - 9:00)
Oh four, sorry, the four of us. But we can we can go with four.

[Speaker 2] (9:01 - 9:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (9:01 - 9:02)
Um

[Speaker 4] (9:03 - 9:03)
I wonder

[Speaker 1] (9:03 - 9:04)
great.

[Speaker 4] (9:04 - 9:04)
what that little thing on top

[Speaker 1] (9:05 - 9:06)
That is a cupola.

[Speaker 1] (9:07 - 9:13)
A cupola. And that is um that is a a functioning open air

[Speaker 4] (9:14 - 9:14)
like a

[Speaker 1] (9:14 - 9:17)
ventilation which has special um

[Speaker 1] (9:19 - 9:24)
accommodations in our bylaw that you can have a height you can go higher if it is a functioning ventilation

[Speaker 2] (9:24 - 9:25)
Right, or yeah.

[Speaker 1] (9:27 - 9:28)
cupola.

[Speaker 1] (9:29 - 9:31)
So

[Speaker 1] (9:32 - 9:34)
right does anybody want to make a motion or does anybody have

[Speaker 3] (9:34 - 9:34)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (9:34 - 9:34)
any more questions?

[Speaker 3] (9:34 - 9:37)
is there any is nobody online or any

[Speaker 1] (9:37 - 9:37)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (9:37 - 9:38)
needs to care about it

[Speaker 5] (9:38 - 9:42)
Yeah, you should open the public hearing and close it.

[Speaker 5] (9:42 - 9:45)
I believe those are the client builder consultants online,

[Speaker 5] (9:45 - 9:46)
but regardless.

[Speaker 1] (9:48 - 9:53)
Is there anybody, so there's nobody watching at home who has any questions about this petition?

[Speaker 1] (10:01 - 10:03)
Alright, do we wanna close the public hearing?

[Speaker 2] (10:04 - 10:06)
I have a motion to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 3] (10:06 - 10:06)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (10:07 - 10:08)
All in favour?

[Speaker 2] (10:08 - 10:08)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (10:09 - 10:09)
No.

[Speaker 1] (10:10 - 10:12)
Alright, does anybody wanna make a motion

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:16)
for this limited relief of just the um

[Speaker 1] (10:18 - 10:19)
the side yard setback?

[Speaker 1] (10:24 - 10:25)
I don't mind writing it, if someone wants it.

[Speaker 2] (10:25 - 10:26)
I'll I'll make the motion

[Speaker 1] (10:26 - 10:26)
Yeah, I'll

[Speaker 2] (10:26 - 10:26)
if write I it, can write

[Speaker 1] (10:26 - 10:27)
I'm happy

[Speaker 2] (10:27 - 10:27)
it for

[Speaker 1] (10:27 - 10:27)
to you. write it. Yep.

[Speaker 2] (10:28 - 10:55)
I'll make a motion to approve the request for a dimensional special permit for the side yard setback for the soon to be covered deck to permit it to be six feet from the side property line where 7.5 feet is required and as shown on the plans.

[Speaker 2] (10:56 - 11:11)
for the deck and the relief is limited only to that specific request and relief granted and make no findings on um any of the items that are within the jurisdiction of the Planning Board.

[Speaker 1] (11:13 - 11:14)
Do you have a second?

[Speaker 4] (11:14 - 11:15)
I second.

[Speaker 1] (11:15 - 11:16)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (11:16 - 11:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (11:17 - 11:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (11:18 - 11:23)
Alright so you have your your relief for the um for your deck portion but you'll

[Speaker 5] (11:23 - 11:23)
still Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:23 - 11:24)
be going through the rest

[Speaker 5] (11:24 - 11:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (11:24 - 11:24)
of it.

[Speaker 5] (11:24 - 11:26)
and I still have to go through it. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:26 - 11:26)
Alright.

[Speaker 5] (11:26 - 11:27)
Terrific. Thank

[Speaker 1] (11:27 - 11:27)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (11:27 - 11:27)
you very much.

[Speaker 2] (11:27 - 11:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (11:28 - 11:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (11:28 - 11:29)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 1] (11:41 - 11:48)
Next we have a presentation about some proposed amendments to the zoning by-law that will be voted on by town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (11:49 - 11:50)
And

[Speaker 6] (11:51 - 11:57)
Yeah, good evening. My name is Mark Noonan. I'm the Assistant Engineer and Field Coordinator for the DPW.

[Speaker 6] (11:57 - 12:07)
And here tonight we have two of our consultants attending virtually. We have Peter Varga and we have Elise Thompson.

[Speaker 6] (12:07 - 12:16)
Um the town has an MS4 permit and that permit allows us to discharge our storm water to the Nahant Bay.

[Speaker 6] (12:16 - 12:33)
There's all sorts of requirements over the life of that permit that we have to meet in order to be in compliance and one of those is taking a look at our own bylaws and ordinances as it relates to storm water management and green infrastructure.

[Speaker 6] (12:34 - 12:49)
So Peter and Elise have worked with some of the employees at town hall to come up with ideas and they're going to present their proposed changes to the documents here tonight. So I'll turn it over to Peter and Elise.

[Speaker 7] (12:51 - 12:51)
Thanks, Mark.

[Speaker 1] (12:52 - 12:52)
Thanks, Mark.

[Speaker 7] (12:53 - 12:54)
I'll go ahead and share my screen.

[Speaker 7] (12:54 - 12:55)
Nice to meet you all.

[Speaker 7] (12:56 - 12:56)
My name is Peter.

[Speaker 7] (12:58 - 12:58)
Again,

[Speaker 7] (12:58 - 13:04)
I'm a project manager at Kleinfelder and I have some slides to show to the group tonight.

[Speaker 7] (13:04 - 13:11)
We can be brief and hopefully this won't be too wordy, but there's definitely a lot of words on the slides.

[Speaker 7] (13:13 - 13:16)
The permit that Mark referred to was the MS4 permit.

[Speaker 7] (13:16 - 13:27)
It's really the stormwater discharge permit for the town and all towns in Massachusetts are subject to discharge permit for their stormwater. This permit...

[Speaker 7] (13:27 - 13:40)
It has iterative requirements and for Swamp Scott there was a requirement in 2022 to actually make an assessment of street design and parking lot guidelines.

[Speaker 7] (13:40 - 13:43)
Basically it's a way to target like impervious surface.

[Speaker 7] (13:44 - 13:51)
Impervious surface prevents rain from soaking into the ground and it creates runoff and flooding issues and water quality issues.

[Speaker 7] (13:53 - 14:02)
So, you know, anywhere that impervious surface can be reduced or minimized is going to be a benefit for the MS4 system,

[Speaker 7] (14:02 - 14:08)
which is a municipal storm sewer system and stormwater quality discharging to the bay.

[Speaker 7] (14:09 - 14:11)
So really this requirement,

[Speaker 7] (14:11 - 14:12)
I'm sorry for bouncing back,

[Speaker 7] (14:12 - 14:19)
but this requirement was a 2022 requirement for the permit and to fulfill that requirement,

[Speaker 7] (14:19 - 14:20)
be compliant with the permit.

[Speaker 7] (14:20 - 14:37)
permit the town actually had us conduct a street design and parking lot analysis that is a specific deliverable and requirement in that year the permit that says basis for the follow-up work that we have done to look at

[Speaker 7] (14:37 - 15:00)
a few ordinances and to make some concrete recommendations and red lines that are amenable to the town but also comply with with the permit so these are the documents that we looked at and we only found two of them you know opportunities to make to make changes and to improve a little bit the language

[Speaker 7] (15:02 - 15:09)
We took those recommendations and we met, we had several meetings over the course of a couple of years actually,

[Speaker 7] (15:09 - 15:23)
since that initial analysis to get feedback and to sort of reprioritize some of the recommendations and restructure some of those recommendations to meet sort of the needs of the town and to make sure that we're

[Speaker 7] (15:25 - 15:31)
Considering how these documents relate to each other so there's no conflicting recommendations,

[Speaker 7] (15:31 - 15:46)
since Kleinfelder is not a law firm we had we recommended that a law company or that the town's legal counsel review our work as well which they did and they had some comments that mostly

[Speaker 7] (15:47 - 16:14)
spoke to clarification points and pretty minor in nature we did we addressed all those comments we incorporated those comments into red lines that we presented to you know select town departments as you can see on the slide to get to where we are now and so really as I said earlier you know these revisions are designed to

[Speaker 7] (16:15 - 16:24)
Remove obstacles in the ordinances that, you know, for removing impervious areas and to minimize impervious surface.

[Speaker 7] (16:24 - 16:24)
It's really,

[Speaker 7] (16:24 - 16:33)
it was not the goal to make a very prescriptive and demanding sort of set of language in here.

[Speaker 7] (16:33 - 16:40)
It's really just to create opportunities for further impervious reduction and green infrastructure.

[Speaker 7] (16:40 - 16:42)
And, you know, again,

[Speaker 7] (16:42 - 16:44)
as I said, we made sure that we were sort of.

[Speaker 7] (16:44 - 16:50)
in tandem with other talent reports and requirements.

[Speaker 7] (16:53 - 17:17)
to get to where we are now and so there's not a whole lot of revisions that were actually offered as a result of this work a lot of the language that were existing in the ordinances was very good and it was retained but there were some locations where we found room for some improvement and I'll hand it over to Elise to talk about those specifically in the next few slides

[Speaker 8] (17:22 - 17:23)
I'm Reese Thompson,

[Speaker 8] (17:23 - 17:25)
a project engineer at Kleinfeldr,

[Speaker 8] (17:25 - 17:35)
and I'm going to go through specifically the recommended revisions for the zoning bylaw and focus on those for this presentation.

[Speaker 8] (17:36 - 17:47)
So the first revision that we are recommending is in the general regulations and the off-street parking and loading the general parking requirements and this is

[Speaker 8] (17:48 - 17:59)
To allow a decrease in parking requirements if there's proximity to general parking lots or structures nearby on street parking or access to multimodal transportation,

[Speaker 8] (17:59 - 18:03)
which include bus routes, bike lanes or community paths.

[Speaker 8] (18:03 - 18:09)
And then this can be reduced with the issuance of a special permit by the Board of Appeals.

[Speaker 8] (18:10 - 18:12)
The second.

[Speaker 8] (18:14 - 18:20)
The second revision is regarding low impact development in parking lots.

[Speaker 8] (18:20 - 18:28)
So this is in the general regulations under general landscaping and screening requirements under the landscaping section.

[Speaker 8] (18:29 - 18:43)
So this is allowing the landscaped islands in parking lots with six or more spaces to be specific types of green infrastructure. So these are...

[Speaker 8] (18:42 - 18:43)
These are dry swales,

[Speaker 8] (18:43 - 18:44)
rain gardens,

[Speaker 8] (18:44 - 18:45)
bioretention areas,

[Speaker 8] (18:46 - 18:51)
and these would allow infiltration of stormwater runoff from the parking lots.

[Speaker 8] (18:52 - 19:03)
In the proposed revisions, we have that the landscape islands need to be located in an area with soils of hydrologic group.

[Speaker 8] (19:04 - 19:14)
air fee so that they're suitable for infiltration and that it will not result in ponding or flooding of the landscaped islands as well and

[Speaker 8] (19:16 - 19:23)
then the third bylaw revision is

[Speaker 8] (19:23 - 19:41)
regarding the smart growth zoning overlay district and the Glover multifamily overlay district and this is regarding parking lots and compact cars so the first item is

[Speaker 8] (19:42 - 19:54)
in these sections decreasing the stall size length to 18 feet and this is to match the general stall dimensions of nine foot width by 18 foot length that's what

[Speaker 1] (20:19 - 20:30)
And then this also adds a definition to the bylaw for what is defined as a compact car,

[Speaker 1] (20:30 - 20:33)
and it says defined by the U.S. EPA.

[Speaker 1] (20:35 - 20:49)
And then one other item for these two overlay districts is allowing permeable pavers given that they do not present significant maintenance or accessibility concerns within the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (20:50 - 20:58)
And these are in, sorry, section 4.6.00 and 4.10.

[Speaker 1] (21:03 - 21:11)
So those are the three changes or red lines that we are proposing for the zoning bylaws.

[Speaker 1] (21:12 - 21:13)
The next step.

[Speaker 1] (21:14 - 21:26)
for these red lines which would include the zoning bylaw and the subdivision rules and regulations are to submit and present to the planning board at their May 11th meeting.

[Speaker 1] (21:26 - 21:37)
We met with select members of the planning board but we'll be presenting it to the planning board at whole during their next meeting and then after that

[Speaker 1] (21:37 - 21:44)
The plan is to submit and present to the Select Board for adoption and eventual approval by the December 2026 town meeting.

[Speaker 2] (21:49 - 21:49)
Thank you, Elise.

[Speaker 3] (21:51 - 22:09)
includes our presentation that we wanted to go over with the group unless there are further questions of course we have additional slides that have the language specifically and the specific red lines that we included so I can pop those back up again if there are questions and desire to see those

[Speaker 4] (22:33 - 22:51)
Thank you so much for presenting. It's nice to see the changes that are gonna be proposed at town meeting. I feel like they don't usually come through us, so it's nice to have a heads up as to what's gonna happen on t uh town meeting. Um does anybody have any questions or concerns about these or how they might, you know, affect practitioners coming forward?

[Speaker 4] (22:52 - 22:52)
He seems

[Speaker 5] (22:55 - 22:58)
my laptop's jumping out at me.

[Speaker 4] (22:58 - 22:59)
Yeah, no nothing's jumping out at me either.

[Speaker 4] (23:00 - 23:11)
I mean, to be honest, the parking is is great and and there's a lot of reasons to decide stormwater runoff to sort of lessen parking requirements.

[Speaker 3] (23:11 - 23:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (23:12 - 23:26)
Yeah. I mean some of these some of these proposed changes improve the human environment as well within the town and call for slightly greener infrastructure to be installed where where where possible. It is not forcing anything.

[Speaker 5] (23:28 - 23:39)
Actually, one question. Are these changes consistent with uh other towns' zoning bylaws? Are we sort of getting in line with what other communities in the state are doing?

[Speaker 3] (23:40 - 23:56)
Absolutely. Part of our analysis was incorporating experience from other municipalities in addition to documents and advisory guidelines from EPA and regional planning boards as well, like regional planning commissions.

[Speaker 5] (23:57 - 23:58)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (23:59 - 24:00)
Welcome.

[Speaker 4] (24:05 - 24:07)
Great. Thank you so much for presenting these.

[Speaker 4] (24:08 - 24:08)
Anybody?

[Speaker 6] (24:09 - 24:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (24:10 - 24:10)
No questions?

[Speaker 6] (24:10 - 24:10)
Good.

[Speaker 5] (24:11 - 24:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (24:12 - 24:15)
All right. I don't know if there's anybody watching us who has any questions.

[Speaker 4] (24:15 - 24:15)
Doesn't look like it.

[Speaker 5] (24:18 - 24:19)
Do we turn it off or we just leave

[Speaker 4] (24:19 - 24:19)
No,

[Speaker 5] (24:19 - 24:19)
it on?

[Speaker 4] (24:19 - 24:27)
we're just this is just informational. Yeah, it's it this will go before town meeting, then town meeting will vote on whether or not to adopt them. Um will you be at town meeting presenting?

[Speaker 4] (24:28 - 24:28)
You will

[Speaker 3] (24:28 - 24:28)
Uh

[Speaker 4] (24:28 - 24:28)
be presenting?

[Speaker 3] (24:28 - 24:31)
that will be the December that's the December meeting if I'm not Oh, mistaken,

[Speaker 4] (24:31 - 24:31)
it's not till December.

[Speaker 3] (24:31 - 24:32)
is that correct?

[Speaker 4] (24:32 - 24:37)
Oh, okay, so it's not this one that's in the the um because we have one in May.

[Speaker 4] (24:37 - 24:38)
as well.

[Speaker 3] (24:38 - 24:38)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (24:38 - 24:42)
I believe it's the one we're going to be meeting with the planning board in May.

[Speaker 3] (24:42 - 24:45)
So we have a May we're on the May 11th agenda for the planning board.

[Speaker 3] (24:47 - 24:52)
But I think I think we need to go through that step before bringing it to town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (24:52 - 24:54)
So I believe that's the reason why we're at the December meeting at

[Speaker 4] (24:54 - 24:54)
December

[Speaker 3] (24:54 - 24:54)
this point.

[Speaker 4] (24:54 - 24:55)
meeting.

[Speaker 4] (24:55 - 24:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (24:55 - 24:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (24:55 - 24:56)
No,

[Speaker 4] (24:56 - 24:56)
that's good.

[Speaker 7] (24:56 - 24:57)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (24:57 - 24:57)
So

[Speaker 7] (24:57 - 25:01)
And all zoning bylaw changes this year are going in December.

[Speaker 7] (25:01 - 25:03)
There are no changes going in May.

[Speaker 3] (25:05 - 25:30)
So what we would do this year in the annual reporting to the EPA for compliance with the MS4 permit is basically record these meetings in there just to make sure that these meetings are documented and we'll write a little summary of the steps that the town has taken to advance these ordinances. So the real compliance point was in 2022 when that

[Speaker 3] (25:31 - 25:56)
analysis was conducted that was a required prescribed deliverable from the permit beyond that point the town basically set its own timeline for adapting it hasn't quite followed that timeline but that's okay as long as we can report on good faith effort to bring these forward and to advance these we with you know very concrete steps for the December meeting we're golden

[Speaker 4] (25:57 - 25:58)
Excellent. Great.

[Speaker 4] (26:00 - 26:01)
All right. Thank you so much.

[Speaker 3] (26:01 - 26:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (26:01 - 26:02)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 5] (26:02 - 26:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (26:02 - 26:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (26:04 - 26:05)
Thank you. Nice to meet you all.

[Speaker 1] (26:05 - 26:06)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (26:08 - 26:09)
All right.

[Speaker 4] (26:10 - 26:10)
And that's it.

[Speaker 4] (26:11 - 26:12)
Anybody want

[Speaker 8] (26:12 - 26:13)
Oh, she cleaned

[Speaker 4] (26:13 - 26:13)
to make a move?

[Speaker 7] (26:13 - 26:13)
Wait,

[Speaker 4] (26:13 - 26:13)
Would

[Speaker 7] (26:13 - 26:14)
I

[Speaker 4] (26:14 - 26:14)
you?

[Speaker 7] (26:14 - 26:18)
have one item before you guys go.

[Speaker 4] (26:18 - 26:19)
Oh, yes,

[Speaker 4] (26:19 - 26:20)
we're trying to make sure we have the...

[Speaker 7] (26:20 - 26:26)
The rescheduling of the May 19th meeting because of...

[Speaker 7] (26:27 - 26:40)
Town meeting potentially going more than one night, it was recommended that we reschedule the May 19th meeting. I didn't get a conclusive response from the board, so I was hoping while I have you here um

[Speaker 7] (26:41 - 26:48)
that we could get whether potentially Tuesday, May 12th or Tuesday, May 26th works better?

[Speaker 7] (26:49 - 26:51)
Topic or I'm at that meeting.

[Speaker 4] (26:51 - 26:54)
I can definitely not go the 12th, so I could do the 26th.

[Speaker 5] (26:55 - 26:56)
I can do the twenty six.

[Speaker 9] (26:56 - 26:58)
Twenty six is good with me.

[Speaker 4] (27:01 - 27:01)
All right,

[Speaker 5] (27:01 - 27:01)
Looks

[Speaker 4] (27:01 - 27:02)
that's four.

[Speaker 5] (27:02 - 27:02)
okay to me.

[Speaker 4] (27:02 - 27:03)
All right, that's five,

[Speaker 7] (27:03 - 27:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (27:03 - 27:04)
we have a quorum.

[Speaker 7] (27:04 - 27:20)
Great. Um I will revise the meeting date to be on the twenty sixth. Um I'll make sure to reserve a room if for whatever reason this room isn't available, we'll see about the senior centre. Um but I will let you know ASAP.

[Speaker 5] (27:20 - 27:21)
Very good.

[Speaker 4] (27:21 - 27:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (27:21 - 27:22)
Sounds good. Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (27:22 - 27:22)
Great,

[Speaker 5] (27:22 - 27:22)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (27:22 - 27:23)
thank you.

[Speaker 4] (27:23 - 27:24)
All right, now we can move to adjourn.

[Speaker 9] (27:25 - 27:26)
Motion to adjourn, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (27:27 - 27:27)
Second, all in favour?

[Speaker 9] (27:27 - 27:28)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (27:28 - 27:28)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (27:28 - 27:28)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (27:29 - 27:30)
Excellent, thank you.