[Speaker 1] (0:12 - 0:13) I would do that. [Speaker 2] (3:41 - 3:41) pleasure. [Speaker 3] (3:41 - 3:43) You give what you offer. [Speaker 2] (3:44 - 3:50) Just for tonight, okay. Thank you. Good evening and welcome to the selectboard regular session for Monday, [Speaker 2] (3:50 - 3:54) April 27th. We are being recorded. Please rise for the pledge. [Speaker 2] (3:58 - 4:09) I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [Speaker 2] (4:15 - 4:28) All righty. Just to note, the agenda does say that the Water, Sewer, Infrastructure Advisory Committee will be joint meeting with us, but we're not sure they're going to have a quorum, so we are just going to hear from the chair and vice chair. [Speaker 3] (4:29 - 4:29) Yes. [Speaker 2] (4:29 - 4:33) So that is why I did not announce that at the top of the meeting. [Speaker 2] (4:33 - 4:36) But we will start with the town administrator's report, [Speaker 2] (4:36 - 4:36) please. [Speaker 3] (4:36 - 4:38) Good evening. Thank you. [Speaker 3] (4:39 - 4:50) So, I just wanted to give an update. One other request that's been made from the board that um I've worked with both chiefs on and I will begin this Friday is uh some sort of weekly stats on police and fire. [Speaker 3] (4:50 - 5:03) Uh number of calls, responses, that type of thing. So that you as a board will see it. I think rather than running it down in this meeting I can send it as sort of a Friday update to you and future members uh so that folks will have the information that they might be interested in. [Speaker 3] (5:04 - 5:09) Um an update I wanted to give is that we have been working with DOR. [Speaker 3] (5:09 - 5:12) We are going to have the Department of Revenue at the state level. [Speaker 3] (5:12 - 5:15) We're going to have a municipal finance fellow this summer, [Speaker 3] (5:15 - 5:17) which is a program where... [Speaker 3] (5:17 - 5:45) Um local college and community college students go through a an intensive um five-week training in addition to their academic training with DOR and then spend uh about seven weeks with us working on projects that we will identify this individual work directly with Patrick and uh Liam and we're looking forward to having this this resource and it's also an opportunity over time to begin to build a network of folks that might be able to take on some of the entry-level positions on our finance team in the future so we're [Speaker 3] (5:45 - 5:53) We're very excited that DOY reached out to us and it is a free resource to us, but also the individual is paid by the state. [Speaker 3] (5:53 - 6:01) So it gives us again another set of capable hands and we're looking forward to that individual joining us when they do come on board we'll introduce them to the full board. [Speaker 3] (6:03 - 6:05) I wanted to give a brief update. [Speaker 3] (6:05 - 6:10) There's been questions from board members and others about the INI policy. [Speaker 3] (6:10 - 6:13) I've continued to have a number of discussions with... [Speaker 3] (6:13 - 6:18) Proponents of projects in town that had questions about both the application of it, the multiplier, [Speaker 3] (6:18 - 6:24) and we are currently reviewing a project at the Swan Scott Mall. [Speaker 3] (6:24 - 6:29) to understand some of the work that has been done and whether it would fit under the waiver process. [Speaker 3] (6:29 - 6:33) I think the policy that we have is pretty clear on where we stand. [Speaker 3] (6:33 - 6:39) I've spoken to the proponent a few times, spoke to him this afternoon. He understands where we are. [Speaker 3] (6:39 - 6:43) We are reviewing some engineering information that they provided to our town engineer, [Speaker 3] (6:43 - 6:44) DPW director, [Speaker 3] (6:44 - 6:50) and we'll continue that conversation, but I wanted to make sure folks knew where it was in case it does come before the board in the future as well. [Speaker 3] (6:52 - 7:00) Finally, I just wanted to highlight, and I know we'll be talking about this a little bit later, you all have a draft of the lease for the Hawthorne property. [Speaker 3] (7:00 - 7:06) We had an outstanding question on liquor liability. I was away last week and we did not get that answer until today, [Speaker 3] (7:06 - 7:12) so the proponents have the lease. They have not yet signed it, but what you have in front of you includes the term, [Speaker 3] (7:12 - 7:13) includes all the liquor, [Speaker 3] (7:13 - 7:20) all the liability insurance that we're requesting of them, and has answered all the outstanding questions that our attorneys have from our side, certainly. [Speaker 3] (7:20 - 7:20) certainly. [Speaker 3] (7:21 - 7:26) And so we're looking forward to having a discussion with you all tonight about that and also continuing to move forward. [Speaker 3] (7:27 - 7:31) And then finally, you know, knowing that it's Doug and David's last meeting, [Speaker 3] (7:31 - 7:34) I just wanted to personally say thank you for the last six months. [Speaker 3] (7:34 - 7:37) I'm probably the first of many that will say things like this tonight, [Speaker 3] (7:37 - 7:38) but this is my chance. [Speaker 3] (7:39 - 7:45) Thank you both for helping me get my feet under me here and certainly helping me to get a lay of the land in town. [Speaker 3] (7:45 - 7:46) So thank you both. [Speaker 3] (7:46 - 7:48) I've appreciated working with you for the last six months. [Speaker 3] (7:49 - 7:51) And with that, I'm happy to take any questions. [Speaker 2] (7:54 - 7:56) Any questions? Mary Ellen? [Speaker 2] (7:58 - 7:58) Good? [Speaker 4] (7:59 - 8:01) Anything on the uh fishermen's beach study? [Speaker 3] (8:02 - 8:17) Um I do not have anything for you right now. I had asked Gino for an update and we have Kleinfelder who had been out there last week to make sure that the work that had been done was completed and up to snuff and we will obviously be doing um testing. [Speaker 3] (8:18 - 8:19) At the beach this summer so that we know [Speaker 5] (8:20 - 8:20) Thank you. [Speaker 3] (8:21 - 8:22) the water quality is where it needs to be as well. [Speaker 3] (8:23 - 8:23) My [Speaker 5] (8:23 - 8:23) Yes. [Speaker 3] (8:23 - 8:24) client builder was there last week. [Speaker 4] (8:24 - 8:26) Right, but I'm not asking about the water quality. [Speaker 3] (8:26 - 8:26) Okay. [Speaker 4] (8:26 - 8:36) I'm asking about the study that was investigating ways to address sea level rise and the whole kind of management of that area. [Speaker 4] (8:36 - 8:47) that we engaged with them on quite a while ago and they gave us some interim report quite a while ago and I think we're well past time when it was supposed to be finished. [Speaker 4] (8:48 - 8:57) So sorry if I was not clear in my request of you because I was a little bit kind of wondering why you're going to Geno because I thought it was actually a Marzi thing. But [Speaker 6] (8:58 - 8:59) Is that the updated report? [Speaker 4] (9:00 - 9:02) Well, they, we had engaged them to do another study, [Speaker 7] (9:02 - 9:03) Right. [Speaker 4] (9:03 - 9:03) right, [Speaker 4] (9:03 - 9:05) of like, you know, should we build higher sea walls, [Speaker 4] (9:06 - 9:08) should we be doing something around the fish house, [Speaker 4] (9:08 - 9:11) like what are all the ways in which we're actually going to take determined, [Speaker 4] (9:12 - 9:13) you know, managed retreat, [Speaker 4] (9:13 - 9:18) yada, yada, yada, right? So that, that's been outstanding for a while. [Speaker 7] (9:18 - 9:18) That was a couple of years, [Speaker 7] (9:19 - 9:19) right? [Speaker 4] (9:19 - 9:20) I don't think it's quite that long, [Speaker 4] (9:21 - 9:22) but it's, it's been a while, so. [Speaker 3] (9:23 - 9:26) So I can commit to coming back with Marcy, I know. [Speaker 3] (9:26 - 9:27) There'll be new membership, but [Speaker 4] (9:27 - 9:28) Yep. [Speaker 3] (9:28 - 9:32) if you tune in I'm happy to provide that update at the next meeting, and we'll make sure it's on the agenda. [Speaker 3] (9:32 - 9:36) I apologise, I thought you were looking at the water quality, not the [Speaker 4] (9:36 - 9:36) Yep. [Speaker 3] (9:36 - 9:37) sea-level rise. [Speaker 2] (9:40 - 9:41) Anything else? I'll call you with the [Speaker 2] (9:42 - 9:43) the info. [Speaker 3] (9:43 - 9:43) I'll be waiting. [Speaker 2] (9:43 - 9:50) Um what uh did you have any other follow-up, 'cause you had sent uh you would get everywhere else or you not yet? [Speaker 4] (9:51 - 9:53) Yeah, I think uh we'll pick up other things [Speaker 2] (9:53 - 9:53) Okay. [Speaker 4] (9:53 - 9:54) if we go along. [Speaker 2] (9:54 - 9:55) Okay. David? [Speaker 2] (9:57 - 9:57) You're good. [Speaker 8] (9:57 - 9:58) I have nothing else. [Speaker 2] (9:59 - 9:59) Okay, um I had [Speaker 1] (9:59 - 10:15) I have received just to say it, Nick, I know you and I briefly talked before this evening, I have received the feedback from the current board members on the town administrator six month evaluation. I will be compiling it and I will be back sometime in May to discuss publicly the compilation of all that. [Speaker 1] (10:15 - 10:22) But it will be considered completed by this board although there'll be two members here who will hear what y'all have thought. [Speaker 2] (10:22 - 10:22) Great. [Speaker 1] (10:24 - 10:35) Okay, so let's move on to public comment please. I have one public comment that I would like to read, but if there's comment in the room we'll let you guys go first. [Speaker 1] (10:36 - 10:42) Please approach the mic, state your name and your address and please limit to three minutes. [Speaker 1] (10:42 - 10:46) Nick, if you wouldn't mind keeping time that would be helpful. Thank you. [Speaker 3] (10:49 - 10:52) Alright, she said you're gonna see me read it off a screen. [Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:54) Yeah, [Speaker 3] (10:54 - 10:54) But [Speaker 1] (10:54 - 10:55) name and address. [Speaker 3] (10:55 - 11:03) Miguel Contreras, 46 Buena Vista, speaking as a resident, not school committee member or speaking for the board at all. [Speaker 3] (11:04 - 11:15) But I have been looking for answers to some questions that you all have been asking around the revolving fund of the rec department. [Speaker 3] (11:15 - 11:26) Um and that one I was just trying to see if there were any other things that we could potentially cover in that account since there is a large excess balance in there and [Speaker 3] (11:27 - 11:30) From listening to you all and seeing what's written and stuff, [Speaker 3] (11:30 - 11:34) I think there might be a confusion on which law we might be looking at, [Speaker 3] (11:34 - 11:37) since if we were under the 53D, [Speaker 3] (11:37 - 11:40) if there was a balance left over in there, [Speaker 3] (11:40 - 11:44) we would, over 10,000, we would have to transfer that into the general fund, [Speaker 3] (11:44 - 11:53) but we're under the 53E and a half, which is a little bit more flexible on what we could potentially charge in that account since Greenfield. [Speaker 3] (11:53 - 12:19) uh does fundraising throughout the year where they have their fireworks go through that account uh Mansfield's is another one that kind of does that for community events so thinking of like Juneteenth or any of the veterans things or the pride events those are things that can definitely be covered in that account um and Chatham, Hartwick, and Wesley all have [Speaker 3] (12:19 - 12:47) of beach operations or like water safety for lifeguards and things like that that are covered in that account as well since the 53 E and a half allows you to pay for full-time employees as long as you include all of their fringe benefits in that payment as well so just want to see if maybe we need to update our bylaws to be a little bit more flexible as like some of our other communities since there is [Speaker 3] (12:47 - 12:55) there is a very large excess balance in there that could potentially help us in our revenue issues that we're having in the town. [Speaker 3] (12:56 - 12:59) But we'd love to hear you guys talk about that in a future session. [Speaker 3] (13:01 - 13:01) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (13:02 - 13:02) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (13:03 - 13:05) Additional comment? [Speaker 1] (13:29 - 13:32) Good evening. My name is Tasia Basilio. I'm a resident of Lewis Road, [Speaker 1] (13:33 - 13:33) town meeting member, [Speaker 1] (13:33 - 13:36) and a former the former chair of the Board of Assessors. [Speaker 1] (13:37 - 13:40) I'd like my comments to be recorded in the meeting minutes verbatim, please. [Speaker 1] (13:41 - 13:48) I'm here tonight to follow up on comments I made at the last select board meeting on April 15th. At that meeting, [Speaker 1] (13:48 - 13:52) I pointed out my concerns with the inconsistency this board has shown in applying discipline. [Speaker 1] (13:53 - 13:58) I shared specific examples of inappropriate behavior in reference to document documented investigation. [Speaker 1] (13:59 - 14:08) I just wanted to let you all know that I have formally requested an investigation into the matter I shared so that there can be resolution in the hopes that we can all move on. [Speaker 1] (14:09 - 14:10) Mr. [Speaker 1] (14:10 - 14:10) Grishman, [Speaker 1] (14:10 - 14:16) I believe you were misled when all of this occurred and had we all had the opportunity to speak it could have been cleared up. [Speaker 1] (14:17 - 14:23) So I'm hoping you'll see this as an opportunity to apologize and save the town the trouble of following through with a formal investigation. [Speaker 1] (14:24 - 14:26) To the entire select board, [Speaker 1] (14:26 - 14:29) tonight is your last meeting as this select board, [Speaker 1] (14:29 - 14:33) so you will all thank each other and talk about the good things you've done, [Speaker 1] (14:33 - 14:34) the time you have given, [Speaker 1] (14:34 - 14:37) and the sacrifices you made for this town, [Speaker 1] (14:37 - 14:39) which is all I appreciate and great. [Speaker 1] (14:42 - 14:46) I hope you will also consider the harm that has come from some of your actions, [Speaker 1] (14:46 - 14:48) not just to each other, but to the community as a whole. [Speaker 1] (14:49 - 14:59) All of you have missteps, and my hope is that you'll all take a moment to consider apologizing to each other and to those that you've treated with less respect than they deserved, [Speaker 1] (15:00 - 15:02) as well as all the members of this community. [Speaker 1] (15:03 - 15:07) Because what this town needs right now is to turn over a new leaf and start fresh. [Speaker 1] (15:08 - 15:17) um we need to come together and we need our leaders to get us there so thank you for your time and your service to this community thank [Speaker 1] (15:19 - 15:19) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (15:21 - 15:25) Any additional comments online or in person? [Speaker 1] (15:27 - 15:28) All right, I will read. [Speaker 1] (15:29 - 15:33) This is an email from Tom Burke. [Speaker 1] (15:34 - 15:39) I'm writing as a Swampscott parent resident and someone who grew up here and benefited firsthand from the town's public schools. [Speaker 1] (15:39 - 15:41) I strongly support the proposal, [Speaker 1] (15:41 - 15:44) a 3.25% increase to the school's budget. [Speaker 1] (15:44 - 15:49) To me, public education is one of the clearest signals of what kind of community we want to be, [Speaker 1] (15:49 - 15:50) a strong, vibrant town. [Speaker 1] (15:51 - 15:54) They shape kids, strengthen community pride and give families a reason to stay, [Speaker 1] (15:54 - 15:56) invest and build their lives here. [Speaker 1] (15:56 - 16:02) I now have two young children ages 10 and 8 and it's deeply important to me that they receive a strong public education. [Speaker 1] (16:02 - 16:02) in Swampscott. [Speaker 1] (16:03 - 16:06) I also believe schools should offer more than academics alone. [Speaker 1] (16:06 - 16:07) Extracurriculars matter. [Speaker 1] (16:07 - 16:08) They build confidence, [Speaker 1] (16:09 - 16:09) connection, [Speaker 1] (16:09 - 16:15) and pride in the town and I would love to see opportunities continue to grow including things like bringing hockey back to Swampscott High School. [Speaker 1] (16:17 - 16:41) excuse me from what has been shared publicly school costs are being driven largely by compensation and core student supports not extras that is exactly why I believe this increase is both reasonable and important I want you to hear from a younger parent in town who cares deeply about this community and believes investing in our school is investing in Swampscott's future thank you for your time and consideration and if you have any questions he's happy to speak with anyone directly sincerely Tom Burke [Speaker 1] (16:46 - 16:50) All right, we will move from public comment to new and old business. [Speaker 1] (16:51 - 16:55) We will start with the discussion and possible vote on the residential parking at Cedar Hill. [Speaker 3] (16:56 - 17:13) I can start and we have a couple of folks from the police department here as well because they've been instrumental in helping us try to figure out a solution. We've gotten a number of emails and been contacted related relating to the lack of available parking for residents. [Speaker 3] (17:13 - 17:19) on Cedar Hill Terrace, primarily driven by some of the commercial activity in the area, we believe. [Speaker 3] (17:20 - 17:34) And we see an opportunity here that needs you all to act in order to address to perhaps add a couple of no parking spaces at the bottom of the hill and then also to make resident only. [Speaker 3] (17:34 - 17:38) And so if I could just share my screen real quick, I can share. [Speaker 4] (17:39 - 17:40) An image that we have. [Speaker 4] (17:51 - 17:58) So as you can see see in this photo of Cedar Hill Terrace where it intersects with Humphrey what we are suggesting [Speaker 4] (17:58 - 18:10) Um is to add no parking in this red area uh down at the bottom. I believe on the right side it's seasonally uh limited right now as it is and then also from um [Speaker 4] (18:12 - 18:25) A little further up the hill here from the garage, up to the corner with Bayview Ave, also add no parking on that side as well in order to allow traffic to have clear line of sight and also to sort of control and limit how many folks are parking in the area. [Speaker 4] (18:25 - 18:38) This dark blue line along the residential side of Cedar Hill Terrace would become resident only and would also allow for those residents to each have a um a visitor parking pass as well that would be issued at the same time as their resident parking so that [Speaker 4] (18:39 - 18:44) You know anytime someone has something going on they they would still have access to to parking in the area. [Speaker 4] (18:44 - 19:05) This is a change that we had talked through and I'm happy to let the chief speak if you would like to but we talked through a couple of different options trying to understand what might work best and this seemed like the option that would preserve parking for the residents of the area but also make sure that the commercial activity in the area did not make it difficult for them to find parking at any point throughout the day. [Speaker 4] (19:06 - 19:19) But you know, preserve their opportunity not only for guests for for themselves to to have parking on the street. So I'm not sure if you have anything that either of you would like to add and uh to the conversation or if you want to open it up to any questions that the board may have. [Speaker 4] (19:22 - 19:22) That. [Speaker 5] (19:30 - 19:33) What we've noticed, though, I just that as a historical perspective, [Speaker 5] (19:34 - 19:54) the residents on Cedar Hill Terrace often from what we've heard because there's only been two calls that we've received since twenty uh twenty twenty five uh from the residents about the parking, but it appears it seems that maybe they're not calling us every time that somebody is parking in front of the residents. So uh we feel that this way this might be the best way to [Speaker 1] (20:01 - 20:04) From Humphrey to about the opening, [Speaker 1] (20:04 - 20:07) the entrance of Four Seasons. [Speaker 1] (20:08 - 20:11) That'll give a line of sight for everybody. [Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:16) The roadway itself on Cedar Hill Terrace is about 25 feet long, [Speaker 1] (20:16 - 20:18) so it would allow still... [Speaker 1] (20:20 - 20:34) vehicles to get through it's tight just like just like our entire town it's very condensed and congested but it would still allow access through that roadway so we feel like this might be the the best way to mitigate [Speaker 1] (20:36 - 20:38) the residents, people, [Speaker 1] (20:38 - 21:01) what we've heard is people from the dentist office are often parking on Cedar Hill Terrace who are visiting the dentist office just south of on Humphrey as well as you know the maybe parking the immediate parking by Four Seasons and the businesses there. [Speaker 1] (21:01 - 21:15) So, if we happen to take any questions Joe uh Captain Cable here has a very good historical perspective of uh on all the issues there. Um but that basically sums it up um unless there's anything else that you might add for [Speaker 2] (21:16 - 21:17) No, I think it's been summed up all chief. [Speaker 1] (21:17 - 21:18) Okay. [Speaker 3] (21:20 - 21:20) Bye [Speaker 4] (21:20 - 21:20) Any [Speaker 3] (21:20 - 21:20) then. [Speaker 4] (21:20 - 21:20) questions? [Speaker 2] (21:21 - 21:27) Yeah, just just a few questions. Totally understand the the sight lines right along Humphrey Street. [Speaker 2] (21:28 - 21:37) It so is the fact that there's no parking on the south side of Cedar Hill Terrace, is that just a function of the width of the street? So you you the street [Speaker 4] (21:37 - 21:37) I'll be. [Speaker 2] (21:37 - 21:39) could not could not handle dual [Speaker 4] (21:39 - 21:39) Go ahead. [Speaker 2] (21:39 - 21:40) parking? [Speaker 5] (21:42 - 21:54) That that's correct. We were concerned that um with the sight line turning off onto A_V_ up at the top was a concern for pedestrians and then the uh the road narrows down if you park two cars when you decide it's basically becomes a one lane road. [Speaker 2] (21:54 - 21:56) Got it. Okay. And [Speaker 6] (21:56 - 21:56) It's [Speaker 2] (21:56 - 21:56) then [Speaker 6] (21:56 - 21:56) also [Speaker 2] (21:56 - 21:56) and then [Speaker 6] (21:56 - 22:02) a terrible spot if you're trying to turn coming down the hill and get visibility onto Humphrey. [Speaker 2] (22:02 - 22:02) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (22:03 - 22:05) Yeah, it's it's tough. [Speaker 6] (22:05 - 22:05) Yeah, it's terrible. [Speaker 2] (22:05 - 22:05) It's it's [Speaker 6] (22:05 - 22:07) So it would be even more difficult with cars. [Speaker 5] (22:07 - 22:07) Yep. [Speaker 7] (22:08 - 22:08) Yes. [Speaker 2] (22:08 - 22:15) Yeah, and then how many how many part how many one-hour parking spots are there approximately? Would there be in this proposed plan? Five, six? [Speaker 5] (22:16 - 22:22) Yeah, I would I would estimate that you could get about six cars in that space when I counted it out there actually. [Speaker 8] (22:25 - 22:34) Is this the standard amount of uh step back or whatever we have in when we talking about the Humphrey street side of things, that that much [Speaker 8] (22:35 - 22:37) No parking for visibility issues? [Speaker 6] (22:38 - 22:39) It's an intersection. [Speaker 5] (22:39 - 22:40) So the standard is 20 feet. [Speaker 5] (22:41 - 22:53) There's an interesting problem there where the driveway to Four Seasons is up past there and they will park blocking their own driveway so we can't enforce it but it impacts the sight lines so we on that graph have shown it going back to about the first pole. [Speaker 5] (22:53 - 22:55) It's a little further than 20 feet. [Speaker 9] (23:01 - 23:07) What's the parking fine for no parking and for the one hour parking? [Speaker 5] (23:11 - 23:13) Of the top of my head, I believe it's seventy five dollars. [Speaker 8] (23:13 - 23:13) Okay. [Speaker 8] (23:17 - 23:18) That was thanks to us earlier. [Speaker 6] (23:19 - 23:24) I was gonna say, are you looking at me because I did get a ticket this year for parking in a uh in a [Speaker 8] (23:24 - 23:25) Beach area. [Speaker 6] (23:25 - 23:32) Nope. Um Snowband, the Snowband started at eleven and I was at I was at church, guys, and I got a parking [Speaker 8] (23:32 - 23:32) Oh. [Speaker 6] (23:32 - 23:34) ticket. That's true, true story. [Speaker 6] (23:34 - 23:37) Um but I think it was seventy five dollars. So I Plain can corroborate [Speaker 8] (23:37 - 23:38) the church bay, yeah. [Speaker 6] (23:38 - 23:40) that story. [Speaker 2] (23:40 - 23:46) Okay. So the parking bet so the parking fines would just be in line with everything with everything else speech. It's all uniform. [Speaker 8] (23:47 - 23:48) Absolutely. [Speaker 9] (23:49 - 24:02) So there it seems th so one question or one thing that constantly comes up whenever I have office hours or when we're talking to neighbors is the lack of enforcement on Humphrey Street and how cars are parked there for [Speaker 9] (24:03 - 24:05) All end of time. [Speaker 9] (24:05 - 24:15) Would you mind sending us the select board a summary of how many parking tickets were written on Humphrey Street in the month of April? Just give us thirty [Speaker 5] (24:15 - 24:15) Sure. [Speaker 9] (24:15 - 24:25) days. And what will be the process as far as enforcing? Do people have to call or will this be enforced on a regular patrol? [Speaker 1] (24:28 - 24:40) Yes and yes. So yes, when people call, we respond to any parking violations, but the officers also proactively, when we're not engaging in calls for service, will conduct parking enforcement. [Speaker 9] (24:40 - 24:41) Right. [Speaker 9] (24:42 - 24:42) That's great. [Speaker 9] (24:43 - 24:44) So if you could send us. [Speaker 9] (24:45 - 24:52) So on the board, you know, like the last thirty days of how many parking tickets were written on Humphrey Street, I think that would be pretty interesting. [Speaker 1] (24:52 - 24:56) Do you have exactly where from or just the entire length of Humphrey Street? [Speaker 9] (24:56 - 24:58) You could pick Mission on the Bay to [Speaker 1] (24:58 - 24:58) Okay. [Speaker 1] (25:00 - 25:00) To [Speaker 9] (25:00 - 25:00) this corners. [Speaker 1] (25:00 - 25:02) Four Seasons. Okay. [Speaker 1] (25:03 - 25:03) Sure. [Speaker 8] (25:03 - 25:10) I have to say I it I'm not gonna make a big deal about it, but it you know if you look at the picture that you have kind of go looking down Cedar Hill [Speaker 8] (25:11 - 25:16) Um and it shows you know very clearly the cars parked on both sides. [Speaker 8] (25:17 - 25:19) There's actually plenty of room there. [Speaker 8] (25:20 - 25:20) It [Speaker 9] (25:20 - 25:20) Well the f [Speaker 8] (25:20 - 25:35) looks like because the people on the residential side you know they've got room to actually be off the street. Um so I'm just you know we have a parking issue in this town and I just you know I get it I don't we don't want to cause safety issues but on the other hand [Speaker 8] (25:35 - 25:39) I don't think we need to take parking spots offline for no reason either. [Speaker 8] (25:40 - 25:43) So you see, you guys see the picture I'm referring to, [Speaker 5] (25:43 - 25:43) Yes, sir. [Speaker 8] (25:43 - 25:45) but maybe I'm missing something. [Speaker 5] (25:45 - 25:47) Yeah, I took that those pictures. [Speaker 5] (25:48 - 25:58) So what you have is the cars are parked up on the sidewalk to try and create room forcing the pedestrians out into the street. So we want to be able to correct that and have cars parked on the street and keep the sidewalk open. [Speaker 5] (25:58 - 26:03) The black car and all the cars on the wooded side of the street are blocking the sidewalk in that picture. [Speaker 8] (26:04 - 26:08) So I was missing something. That's what you were nicely saying, Captain K. Thank you. [Speaker 6] (26:13 - 26:18) So I have to assume that most of the folks who are parking in this one hour parking [Speaker 6] (26:19 - 26:38) Well, what will be one hour parking are somehow either related to the dentist or the Four Seasons. So if we could ensure that they are not blocking the pedestrian um walkway there, that would be great too. If if because I assume they'll be repeat parkers in that area, it's convenient for them to their establishments. Um [Speaker 8] (26:41 - 26:42) So we need to vote on this? [Speaker 6] (26:43 - 26:44) Uh I po [Speaker 9] (26:44 - 26:44) Would [Speaker 2] (26:44 - 26:44) Yes. [Speaker 6] (26:44 - 26:45) yes, we do need to [Speaker 9] (26:45 - 26:56) I think generally we we introduce something and then we vote on it the second time. My only concern about voting on it right now is if people from this neighborhood wanted to come out, or the dentist's office, whoever, [Speaker 9] (26:57 - 26:57) um, [Speaker 9] (26:59 - 27:06) you know, I just that's generally what we do. We introduce it and then vote a second time. I just wanna make sure people have the opportunity to come out and say [Speaker 9] (27:08 - 27:10) It's a good idea, bad idea. I mean I [Speaker 6] (27:10 - 27:10) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (27:10 - 27:16) like it. It's a really good idea and I'm in support of this. I just wanna make sure people have a fair shot. [Speaker 8] (27:16 - 27:17) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (27:17 - 27:18) Yeah, I hear you. [Speaker 6] (27:18 - 27:31) I think um this was a call to action by the neighbourhood um which instigated it, but I guess if people wanna come out and say they're anti it, then we haven't allowed for such a thing. So we can [Speaker 10] (27:32 - 27:32) Add it to the next agenda. [Speaker 6] (27:33 - 27:34) I just think [Speaker 9] (27:34 - 27:34) I struggle. [Speaker 6] (27:35 - 27:35) Pro vote. [Speaker 6] (27:37 - 27:41) Do you guys wanna voice your opinions now? That way we can make sure they're emboldened if we choose. [Speaker 8] (27:41 - 27:49) I I I would refrain because I wanna make sure that we have plenty of opportunity for people to fully express themselves, so I we don't wanna get out in front of that. [Speaker 6] (27:49 - 27:50) Right. David. [Speaker 2] (27:50 - 27:51) Same. [Speaker 6] (27:51 - 27:52) Same. [Speaker 6] (27:53 - 27:56) Alright, well, guess we'll leave it for another day then. [Speaker 6] (28:00 - 28:00) Um [Speaker 6] (28:00 - 28:07) Moving on to discussion possible vote, thank you both very much for coming. [Speaker 6] (28:09 - 28:16) Discussion possible vote in first reading of the proposed bylaw regarding the inspection of sewer lateral at the time of sale or transfer. [Speaker 6] (28:17 - 28:18) As we discussed earlier, [Speaker 6] (28:19 - 28:25) we have the chair of the Water and Sewer Infrastructure Advisory Committee and the vice chair. [Speaker 6] (28:25 - 28:29) Um and they'll do a little presentation for us and then we can get into it. [Speaker 5] (28:32 - 28:33) Is this on or not? [Speaker 6] (28:34 - 28:38) Oh Kelly? Hold on one second. Your talking and your box is lit up, but we can't hear you. So [Speaker 6] (28:42 - 28:44) just Joe's gonna help us figure that out. One second please. [Speaker 6] (28:49 - 28:52) Y- she's not muted. Um I can that she's talking in her [Speaker 6] (28:53 - 28:56) The box turns blue, but can you try now, Kelly? [Speaker 11] (28:57 - 28:57) Hello. [Speaker 6] (28:58 - 28:58) Yes, [Speaker 9] (28:58 - 28:58) Hello. [Speaker 6] (28:58 - 29:00) we hear you loud and clear now. Thank you. [Speaker 11] (29:01 - 29:03) Alright, great. You can see the slides okay? [Speaker 2] (29:03 - 29:03) Yep. [Speaker 6] (29:03 - 29:04) Yes. [Speaker 11] (29:05 - 29:06) Alright, [Speaker 11] (29:06 - 29:06) great. [Speaker 11] (29:06 - 29:10) Well, thanks for having us and Brian Norman is there in person as well. [Speaker 11] (29:11 - 29:14) So we wanted to share, I think, [Speaker 11] (29:14 - 29:18) with you folks, it looks like Lauren had a copy of the proposed bio just... [Speaker 11] (29:19 - 29:38) also included in the warrant for town meeting and the proposed bylaw is called inspection of sewer lateral at the time of sale or transfer so we just wanted to kind of give an overview of that bylaw and just by way of history and recalling how we got here [Speaker 11] (29:39 - 29:44) This same by-law was included in the warrant last year, [Speaker 11] (29:44 - 29:49) but in the copying process it was missing a handful of pages. [Speaker 1] (29:54 - 29:56) largely, [Speaker 1] (29:56 - 29:58) not entirely, but largely to do with the missing pages. [Speaker 1] (29:59 - 30:09) So since that time, so ultimately this was not voted on at the last town meeting as a result of those omitted pages. So in the meantime, [Speaker 1] (30:09 - 30:10) we did receive comments. [Speaker 1] (30:11 - 30:33) from a couple of folks between then and now and so the revised draft that went to KP Law that you should have a copy of that we'll run through here reflects relatively minor edits to what was proposed last year. Nothing super substantial but little tweaks here and there to address comments that were received. [Speaker 1] (30:35 - 31:02) And then I guess one giant step backward is the reason why this by-law is being proposed as we all know there's been a lot of efforts underway over the past number of years to address MS-4 and infrastructure storm water infrastructure issues that are of course related to issues with the beach and bacteria on the beaches and so one of when when this committee the water and sewer committee was initially [Speaker 1] (31:02 - 31:22) actually created a couple of years ago one of the first things that the committee looked at was what peer communities are doing and this type of a bylaw was one tool in the toolbox that other peer communities were using to try to get at that issue. [Speaker 1] (31:23 - 31:43) prevent prevent leaking laterals or other or illicit discharges that were being discharged through laterals from to kind of catch that at the sale of properties to try to minimize that that type of inflow and infiltration okay [Speaker 1] (31:47 - 31:52) The purpose is really to prevent illegal connections from pumps, roof drains, [Speaker 1] (31:52 - 31:52) groundwater, [Speaker 1] (31:52 - 32:00) to the sewer system and to reduce infiltration and inflow and protect the sewer system capacity and subsequent treatment costs. [Speaker 1] (32:01 - 32:08) The bylaw requires the inspection of sewer laterals when property connected to the town's sanitary sewer system is sold or transferred. [Speaker 1] (32:09 - 32:14) And this approach reflects standard mass DEP and Title 50. [Speaker 1] (32:14 - 32:15) or 15 policy approaches, [Speaker 1] (32:15 - 32:18) and I'm sure you've seen this figure before, [Speaker 1] (32:18 - 32:37) but just is a kind of pictorial demonstrating some of the types of issues with laterals that we're trying to identify at the sale of property so that we can remedy them before the transaction or within six months of the transaction going through. [Speaker 1] (32:40 - 32:43) The key requirements are the inspection required to transfer. [Speaker 1] (32:43 - 32:45) Prior to transferring the property, [Speaker 1] (32:45 - 32:52) the seller must apply to the Department of Public Works for an inspection and obtain either a certificate of compliance or non-compliance. [Speaker 1] (32:52 - 32:58) The certificate is valid for two years from the date of issuance and in terms of timing, [Speaker 1] (32:58 - 33:02) the inspections must occur at least nine months prior to the transfer. [Speaker 1] (33:02 - 33:04) If weather prevents the inspection, [Speaker 1] (33:04 - 33:06) it must be completed as soon as possible. [Speaker 1] (33:06 - 33:15) is feasible but no later than six months after the transfer and sellers must notify buyers in writing of these inspection requirements [Speaker 1] (33:17 - 33:44) The application process involves the seller submitting an application to the DPW and paying a non-refundable inspection fee, by applying the property owner grants the town permission to enter the property for inspection during reasonable hours, and the DPW must issue a compliance or non-compliant certificate within 14 days of inspection or approval is deemed granted if access was provided and no action was taken. [Speaker 1] (33:44 - 33:44) mistaken. [Speaker 1] (33:45 - 33:49) So in terms of specifically what is being inspected, [Speaker 1] (33:49 - 33:56) the town will inspect the sewer lateral to ensure no illegal connections exist. Examples include roof drains, [Speaker 1] (33:56 - 33:56) sump pumps, [Speaker 1] (33:56 - 33:57) and downspouts. [Speaker 1] (33:58 - 34:11) Inspection will ensure that there are no defects existing in the sewer lateral like cracks, breaks, or leaks that would allow groundwater infiltration or sewage leakage. And inspection methods [Speaker 1] (34:12 - 34:21) may include CCTV inspections of the lateral and depending on the circumstances visual inspections smoke testing or dye testing. [Speaker 1] (34:24 - 34:26) In terms of non-compliance inspections and corrections, [Speaker 1] (34:27 - 34:28) if violations are found, [Speaker 1] (34:28 - 34:33) the DPW issues a certificate of non-compliance identifying the needed corrective actions. [Speaker 1] (34:33 - 34:42) The property owner must make the required repairs and request re-inspection and all violations must be corrected within six months of property transfer. [Speaker 1] (34:43 - 34:46) Re-inspections may incur additional fees. [Speaker 1] (34:48 - 34:49) Fees penalty and enforcement. [Speaker 1] (34:51 - 34:55) The application and inspection fees are to be set by DPW. [Speaker 1] (34:55 - 35:04) Violations may result in fines of up to $300 per day per violation until resolved, and failure to inspect, correct, [Speaker 1] (35:04 - 35:07) and prevent illegal discharges is prohibited. [Speaker 1] (35:08 - 35:13) We did receive only one comment from KP Law, [Speaker 1] (35:13 - 35:15) which is... [Speaker 1] (35:16 - 35:17) Presented above, [Speaker 1] (35:17 - 35:22) the penalty section could include a non-criminal disposition section if the town wishes. [Speaker 1] (35:22 - 35:25) We give the town the ability to issue tickets for violations. [Speaker 1] (35:27 - 35:29) So we could, if folks are in agreement, [Speaker 1] (35:29 - 35:35) we could add to Section 8 the provision at the bottom of the slide. [Speaker 1] (35:36 - 35:43) The provisions of this bylaw may be enforced by non-criminal disposition in accordance with the provisions of Mass General Law. [Speaker 1] (35:43 - 35:43) Block 40, [Speaker 1] (35:44 - 35:45) Section 21D. [Speaker 1] (35:48 - 35:53) And that is the quick overview and so we'll open it up to discussion. [Speaker 2] (35:56 - 35:58) Well, thank you very much, Kelly. [Speaker 2] (35:58 - 36:02) I actually just prompted a bunch of questions for me, actually. [Speaker 2] (36:03 - 36:04) Try to be super quick. [Speaker 2] (36:04 - 36:09) First of all, you said that other towns have very, very similar, if not identical. [Speaker 2] (36:10 - 36:12) bylaws correct okay [Speaker 1] (36:12 - 36:13) They do. [Speaker 1] (36:13 - 36:15) It's most similar to Danvers, [Speaker 1] (36:15 - 36:18) but we did also look at Marblehead, Salem, [Speaker 1] (36:19 - 36:19) and others. [Speaker 2] (36:20 - 36:34) and is there I mean this sounds like I don't know how many how many I don't know how many sales happen in Swampscott every year like how many what's the what's the burden of this on town staff to be [Speaker 2] (36:35 - 36:39) Is it town staff that's doing this? DPW is actually going out and checking this? [Speaker 1] (36:39 - 36:39) Oh. [Speaker 2] (36:40 - 36:44) Do we have any idea what the burden is? [Speaker 3] (36:44 - 36:48) In terms of hours, now we can calculate that though, in advance of town meeting. [Speaker 3] (36:48 - 36:50) It's been discussed as part of the ongoing discussion. [Speaker 2] (36:51 - 36:51) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (36:51 - 36:53) You mean do the video and stuff like that? [Speaker 3] (36:53 - 36:53) Yeah, whatever needs [Speaker 5] (36:53 - 36:53) Yeah, [Speaker 3] (36:53 - 36:54) to be done. [Speaker 5] (36:54 - 36:54) or [Speaker 4] (36:54 - 36:54) They don't, [Speaker 6] (36:54 - 36:55) There is [Speaker 4] (36:55 - 36:56) DPW doesn't do the video. [Speaker 6] (36:56 - 36:58) there's an inspection. Inspection, [Speaker 4] (36:58 - 36:58) Inspection [Speaker 6] (36:58 - 36:58) inspection [Speaker 4] (36:58 - 36:59) company does that. [Speaker 6] (36:59 - 37:00) not DW led. [Speaker 2] (37:00 - 37:01) Okay, [Speaker 3] (37:01 - 37:01) They [Speaker 2] (37:01 - 37:01) but [Speaker 3] (37:01 - 37:01) would [Speaker 2] (37:01 - 37:01) we have [Speaker 3] (37:01 - 37:01) still [Speaker 2] (37:01 - 37:02) to pay an inspection company. [Speaker 3] (37:02 - 37:03) And [Speaker 6] (37:03 - 37:06) And they're gonna pay because there's a non-refundable inspection fee. [Speaker 6] (37:06 - 37:06) So [Speaker 2] (37:06 - 37:06) Okay. [Speaker 3] (37:07 - 37:11) And then there will be a review that needs to be done on the town side of whatever results come back. [Speaker 2] (37:12 - 37:14) So what are the what are the costs? [Speaker 7] (37:15 - 37:16) to the [Speaker 7] (37:16 - 37:17) to the home buyer. [Speaker 3] (37:18 - 37:41) So, I don't have the number for you for what the smoke or video would cost. I can again absolutely get that in advance so it will become part of the presentation. Uh what we can anticipate it would be, it would not be something that we would have entered into a contract in advance of anything passing. So we could give sort of a best estimate based on uh talking to folks that provide the service. And I don't know Ryan or Kelly, if you have any colour to add to that as well. [Speaker 1] (37:42 - 37:43) I think it generally speaking, [Speaker 1] (37:43 - 37:55) and I suppose it can vary depending on the, you know, length of the lateral and the specifics, but in general, I think it's about $500 for a CCTV inspection of a sewer lateral. I suppose it could go up to 800, [Speaker 1] (37:55 - 37:59) but it's pretty run of the mill in the $500 ballpark here. [Speaker 7] (37:59 - 38:00) Okay. [Speaker 7] (38:02 - 38:06) And can you, would we be able to bring up that diagram? [Speaker 7] (38:06 - 38:09) Because I thought that was very helpful and useful. [Speaker 7] (38:10 - 38:16) And can you just show us where the homeowner's responsibility is, or show us and members of the public, [Speaker 7] (38:16 - 38:20) where the homeowner's responsibility is versus where the town's responsibility ends? [Speaker 7] (38:21 - 38:22) I think that would be helpful. [Speaker 1] (38:23 - 38:31) Yep, and it's really from the house to the middle of the street to where the sewer main is. [Speaker 2] (38:32 - 38:34) Is the homeowner's responsibility? [Speaker 3] (38:34 - 38:34) Correct. [Speaker 2] (38:34 - 38:35) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (38:35 - 38:36) Great. [Speaker 4] (38:37 - 38:43) What is the plan for public hearings and getting this information out to residents? [Speaker 3] (38:44 - 38:52) We would be able to schedule public meetings with Watershed Advisory Committee. It's something Kelly and I spoke about a little earlier today that could be. [Speaker 3] (38:53 - 39:06) both virtual and or in person. I know they did one last year. It was um the feedback was comprehensive but it was lightly attended, so it might be something where a virtual meeting is a little easier for everyone to to figure out this time. [Speaker 3] (39:07 - 39:20) Um but that would be the main opportunity with which to to gain feedback. I know that some of the folks that provided feedback at the public meeting last year have also participated in water sewer advisory committee meetings uh in order to incorporate that feedback now as opposed to waiting until public. [Speaker 3] (39:20 - 39:21) until public meetings in the future. [Speaker 6] (39:24 - 39:38) Yeah, I think it's important to remember this is not a new concept we're trying to roll out. It's a version of a concept that we tried to roll out last year, and we have been talking about really for 18 months probably at this point, if not longer. [Speaker 6] (39:39 - 39:44) So absolutely we should hold open public hearings. Folks can have thoughts and feelings. [Speaker 1] (40:09 - 40:12) Within I mean, I don't think it makes sense to put a fee in this. [Speaker 3] (40:12 - 40:13) Yeah, no, I think it w it [Speaker 1] (40:13 - 40:13) It doesn't. [Speaker 3] (40:13 - 40:20) it's fair feedback to make sure that the presentation what they're done by me, water, sewer, advisory committee members, whomever, that we include where we are right now with [Speaker 1] (40:20 - 40:20) Yes. [Speaker 3] (40:20 - 40:22) an estimated cost so that people understand that, [Speaker 3] (40:22 - 40:29) and also highlight the fact that it is not pegged to today's cost if those costs go up in the future, it's something that we need to reflect. [Speaker 4] (40:29 - 40:32) Yeah. No, just for purposes of conversation, [Speaker 3] (40:32 - 40:32) Absolutely. [Speaker 4] (40:32 - 40:38) understanding that it can range widely depending on factors X, [Speaker 4] (40:38 - 40:38) Y, and Z, [Speaker 4] (40:38 - 40:42) I was just curious if there was a general number, which it seemed like there is, [Speaker 1] (40:42 - 40:42) I [Speaker 4] (40:42 - 40:42) yeah. [Speaker 1] (40:42 - 40:49) doubt the common homeowner knows the length of their lateral, so they wouldn't know if they're looking at 500 or 800 or 1,000, because how would we know? [Speaker 1] (40:51 - 40:52) I also, [Speaker 1] (40:52 - 40:52) Kelly, [Speaker 1] (40:52 - 40:55) if you would go to the last slide about the comment from KP. [Speaker 1] (40:57 - 41:00) I want to touch a little bit on this. I do think KB's comment, [Speaker 1] (41:00 - 41:08) thank you, appreciate that, is we should add the language on the below to it. It says it may be enforced, [Speaker 1] (41:09 - 41:10) not shall be enforced, [Speaker 1] (41:10 - 41:19) so it just gives us more flexibility and option to do that if we decide we'd like to go through with issuing tickets for the violations. [Speaker 1] (41:19 - 41:22) So I think it would be wise for us to do that. [Speaker 3] (41:23 - 41:24) Can we go back [Speaker 1] (41:24 - 41:24) So I [Speaker 3] (41:24 - 41:26) to the context for that though? [Speaker 3] (41:26 - 41:39) I mean if there are issues people will get a certificate of non-compliance so they'll have to, and this kind of leads into the other conversation, so then they're going to be responsible for fixing it before sale, [Speaker 3] (41:40 - 41:43) right? Because otherwise they won't have the certificate for the sale. [Speaker 3] (41:44 - 41:46) And yet, there's a couple things here. [Speaker 3] (41:47 - 41:49) Because there's a provision in here, if it's bad weather, [Speaker 3] (41:49 - 41:53) then you can actually sell it and you have till six months after basically to do it. [Speaker 3] (41:54 - 41:55) But then you'd be responsible, [Speaker 3] (41:55 - 41:57) I guess, for fixing it. [Speaker 3] (42:01 - 42:01) So I [Speaker 1] (42:01 - 42:01) Yes. [Speaker 3] (42:01 - 42:02) don't understand the violation. [Speaker 3] (42:02 - 42:04) So if I'm sitting here with a lateral, [Speaker 3] (42:04 - 42:07) I have no idea whether or not there's any issue with my lateral. [Speaker 3] (42:08 - 42:09) So fine, [Speaker 3] (42:09 - 42:11) you're going to inspect it before I sell it. [Speaker 3] (42:11 - 42:18) But then you're also going to like fine me for like not knowing that my lateral's broken? [Speaker 3] (42:18 - 42:19) Like, am I missing something here? [Speaker 1] (42:20 - 42:20) Well, you're gonna [Speaker 5] (42:20 - 42:20) I [Speaker 1] (42:20 - 42:20) have [Speaker 5] (42:20 - 42:21) think [Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:21) yeah [Speaker 5] (42:21 - 42:23) he is, go ahead, yeah. You're missing something. [Speaker 1] (42:24 - 42:24) God forbid [Speaker 5] (42:25 - 42:27) So my understanding from watching [Speaker 5] (42:28 - 42:39) your meetings is that people have the opportunity to fix the issue and if it's not able to be fixed then the onus would be sitting on the new homeowner [Speaker 5] (42:39 - 42:54) and what they generally find is the homeowner will have money held back and put into escrow so that they have the opportunity to fix it but I think the the fine is only really there in the event somebody [Speaker 5] (42:54 - 42:58) somebody isn't making an effort to fix it or to move forward. [Speaker 1] (42:59 - 43:00) Also the Right. cer [Speaker 1] (43:00 - 43:09) The certificate's good for two years so if you, you know, do start this process when you put your house on the market and you don't sell it for a period of time, like you still have a valid certificate [Speaker 4] (43:09 - 43:09) Sure. [Speaker 1] (43:09 - 43:13) for issuance. So you're not waiting till the day of close to ask for this. [Speaker 4] (43:15 - 43:22) So if we already have the ability to use um next next slide Kelly, sorry. [Speaker 3] (43:27 - 43:31) So in order to do this violation may result in fines up to $300 per day. [Speaker 3] (43:32 - 43:37) Do we need that additional language in order to do that? [Speaker 5] (43:39 - 43:40) You mean the KP law language? [Speaker 3] (43:40 - 43:41) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (43:41 - 43:41) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (43:43 - 43:49) I think that, and certainly any of the attorneys on the line who would probably have a better explanation, [Speaker 5] (43:49 - 43:53) but I think the gist of it is that this language would make it easier. [Speaker 5] (43:53 - 43:54) It would be basically a ticket. [Speaker 5] (43:55 - 44:02) So it would make that process of collecting, of assessing the $300 violation and collecting a little bit easier. [Speaker 4] (44:03 - 44:03) I see. [Speaker 4] (44:03 - 44:04) Okay. [Speaker 4] (44:05 - 44:06) All right. [Speaker 4] (44:06 - 44:07) Okay. [Speaker 4] (44:07 - 44:09) That's what I was kind of reacting to. It felt like a double whammy. [Speaker 1] (44:09 - 44:09) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (44:09 - 44:10) Okay. [Speaker 1] (44:10 - 44:10) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (44:10 - 44:11) But that's not the point. [Speaker 4] (44:11 - 44:11) All right. [Speaker 4] (44:11 - 44:12) Okay. [Speaker 5] (44:12 - 44:13) Yep. [Speaker 5] (44:19 - 44:20) I don't think the intent, [Speaker 5] (44:20 - 44:23) we did have some internal discussions with the, with, [Speaker 5] (44:23 - 44:29) at our committee meetings, you know, that were open to the public, but there was discussion about. [Speaker 5] (44:31 - 44:58) um that's a hundred dollar fine and i don't think it's the intent of the town or anybody else to really um you know actually collect three hundred dollars per day every day you know i think if if people are working in good faith and that and you know there isn't a desire to make this a big money maker by having collecting three hundred dollars every day that passes it's just something to allow have some teeth to it for there to be some you know [Speaker 5] (45:00 - 45:03) um penalty associated with non-compliance. [Speaker 4] (45:04 - 45:08) And when did that kick in, the three hundred dollars, if you didn't adhere after [Speaker 5] (45:08 - 45:08) how Six [Speaker 4] (45:08 - 45:08) long? [Speaker 5] (45:08 - 45:09) months. You have six months [Speaker 1] (45:09 - 45:09) I thought it was [Speaker 5] (45:09 - 45:09) to [Speaker 1] (45:09 - 45:09) six [Speaker 5] (45:09 - 45:09) make [Speaker 1] (45:09 - 45:09) months. [Speaker 5] (45:09 - 45:17) the it has to be six months after the sale. So all violations must be corrected within six months of the property transfer. [Speaker 3] (45:19 - 45:21) And by leaving it as May as opposed to shall, [Speaker 3] (45:21 - 45:24) to Kitty's point, that does give a little opportunity for [Speaker 3] (45:25 - 45:35) grace and understanding and trying if we know that it is moving towards completion, even if we're getting to that six month or just beyond, leaves a little bit of interpretation that would allow the town to work with the homeowner. [Speaker 7] (45:36 - 45:39) And then it puts you in a position of playing favourites basically, [Speaker 5] (45:39 - 45:39) Right. [Speaker 7] (45:39 - 45:40) whether or not you enforce [Speaker 5] (45:40 - 45:40) It's subjective. [Speaker 7] (45:40 - 45:40) it. So [Speaker 5] (45:41 - 45:42) It is, of course it [Speaker 3] (45:42 - 45:43) It's one way to look at it. [Speaker 4] (45:46 - 45:46) Just makes it more difficult. [Speaker 1] (45:47 - 45:49) It does. Is the subject going to become shallow? [Speaker 5] (45:53 - 46:03) Well, I think it's either we we actually impose a fine and enforce it, or we don't say anything about it because the wishy-washiness in the middle I think gets us into trouble. [Speaker 1] (46:04 - 46:19) Well, this is just the ticket not the fine. So the fine language is eight A_ so the fine language is clear and complete. So it does say there's a civil collection proceedings in the amount not to succeed not to exceed sorry three hundred dollars for each violation. [Speaker 1] (46:20 - 46:27) Each day that the violation continues, uh they sh it shall be considered a separate violation. [Speaker 1] (46:27 - 46:28) So [Speaker 1] (46:30 - 46:31) I I think that's pretty clear. [Speaker 5] (46:33 - 46:33) Right. [Speaker 1] (46:33 - 46:40) But the the other p the piece of whether or not we issue a ticket and then start trying to collect said funds is the may. [Speaker 1] (46:40 - 46:42) So I guess doesn't matter. [Speaker 7] (46:44 - 46:47) This is like the difference between sending an invoice versus a ticket. [Speaker 7] (46:50 - 46:51) Okay. [Speaker 7] (46:55 - 46:55) Thank you, KP. [Speaker 5] (46:58 - 47:19) I mean, it's difficult to say, you know, we're gonna put it there but we're not gonna enforce it, right, or we're gonna imply that we're not gonna enforce it, or it's really not meant to be that, you know, that that's the kind of stuff that is really kind of it doesn't incentivize people to actually fix something, right, if they know that we're really not gonna do what we say we're gonna do, right? [Speaker 5] (47:21 - 47:23) That's my [Speaker 7] (47:23 - 47:23) But you [Speaker 5] (47:23 - 47:23) conundrum. [Speaker 7] (47:23 - 47:29) right, but you you catching this I mean it the fee is a shell as [Speaker 4] (47:29 - 47:30) Yeah. [Speaker 7] (47:30 - 47:32) it is in here already, right? That's no doubt, [Speaker 5] (47:32 - 47:32) Right. [Speaker 7] (47:32 - 47:33) right? [Speaker 1] (47:33 - 47:33) Yep. [Speaker 4] (47:33 - 47:33) That's good. [Speaker 7] (47:36 - 47:39) And then yeah, I yeah, I guess. [Speaker 7] (47:40 - 47:42) Then your point is, like why even add this language, just [Speaker 5] (47:42 - 47:43) Right. [Speaker 7] (47:43 - 47:44) muddies the waters [Speaker 5] (47:44 - 47:44) Right. [Speaker 7] (47:44 - 47:45) in a way instead of helping. [Speaker 5] (47:45 - 47:47) It leaves it open for interpretation, [Speaker 5] (47:47 - 47:53) right, by whoever the T_A_ is at the time, or whoever I mean I don't know who would enforce it, would it be the T_A_ would it be [Speaker 5] (47:54 - 47:54) the [Speaker 7] (47:54 - 47:54) D_P_W_ [Speaker 5] (47:54 - 47:55) D_A_W_ [Speaker 1] (47:55 - 47:55) The T_A_ [Speaker 5] (47:55 - 47:55) head who [Speaker 1] (47:55 - 47:57) is in problem with the D_P_W_ right? [Speaker 5] (47:57 - 47:57) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (47:57 - 47:59) I believe it would be D_P_W_ I can't [Speaker 5] (47:59 - 47:59) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (47:59 - 48:00) confirm that though. [Speaker 1] (48:01 - 48:01) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (48:01 - 48:01) Right. [Speaker 7] (48:01 - 48:03) I guess I guess what we're missing is [Speaker 1] (48:04 - 48:04) How [Speaker 3] (48:04 - 48:04) Why [Speaker 1] (48:04 - 48:04) do we [Speaker 3] (48:04 - 48:18) is it that difficult to just assess the fee period like why are we adding this extra language about this shit you know you may do something as a ticket as opposed to just doing the fee like is that something so cumbersome to just do the fee [Speaker 5] (48:19 - 48:19) Automatic. [Speaker 1] (48:19 - 48:29) Well I think you need a mechanism to trigger the fee. So you need some condition in there right to assess a penalty. So there's a fee related to inspection right? [Speaker 7] (48:29 - 48:29) Yeah? [Speaker 1] (48:29 - 48:36) And they pay that up front. And then the inspection fails. Frank's not me anytime if I'm wrong. The inspection fails. Now they have six months to correct it. [Speaker 1] (48:37 - 49:03) likely they're the papers have passed and they've funded through escrow potentially what they suppose the fix is going to be and now they have a new person in their home right new owner and new owner is working to get that accomplished and if something for example outside of new owners ability or control occurs to your point like then we have a mechanism to try to entice [Speaker 1] (49:04 - 49:09) old home owner to about we're we're really penalizing the new home owner, right? We're not penalizing the old home owner. [Speaker 5] (49:09 - 49:33) So just so a question then, why wouldn't we approach this the way we would um a water lien, right? When someone sells their property and you have to get a certificate from the water department that says your water bill is paid, why wouldn't we approach this the same way? It has to be done before the sale, period, right? You can't sell it and then you know six months later we'll give you no, you need this documentation, you need this certificate, [Speaker 5] (49:33 - 49:40) to sell your property. Right. Is that uh was that a consideration or is that an option or is that [Speaker 2] (49:40 - 49:41) It was [Speaker 1] (49:41 - 49:41) it? [Speaker 2] (49:41 - 49:42) a consideration. [Speaker 2] (49:42 - 49:52) There was thought about, there was a lot of discussion about not stopping the sale of homes for all kinds of reasons. [Speaker 2] (49:53 - 49:57) It really is to just get, to get. [Speaker 2] (49:58 - 50:24) these repairs to be made and but not the we didn't want a ripple effect of creating a real estate you know burden crisis of people not being able to close on their houses depending you know the markets can be different in the timing for things can be very compressed depending on whether the market is really hot and all that we didn't want to get into the complexities of actually slowing down and stopping sales [Speaker 2] (50:24 - 50:26) sales as a result [Speaker 3] (50:26 - 50:26) I can't [Speaker 1] (50:26 - 50:28) Well, you know, if someone has a septic system, [Speaker 1] (50:28 - 50:29) right, [Speaker 1] (50:29 - 50:31) in a South Shore town, [Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:33) you're required to get a Title IX or Title V. [Speaker 1] (50:34 - 50:42) inspection so that you can sell your property, right? That's a condition if you have a septic system, right? I kind of see this as the same uh or a or similar. [Speaker 1] (50:43 - 50:49) And while we don't want to hold up a sale, we will hold up a sale if you haven't paid your water bill, right? And there's an outstanding lien. [Speaker 1] (50:50 - 50:52) So I don't kind of see the difference here. [Speaker 4] (50:52 - 50:54) So one is a [Speaker 4] (50:54 - 50:59) It's a cost being borne by the town because if they don't pay for the water, every other rate payer is paying for it. [Speaker 1] (51:00 - 51:00) Right. [Speaker 4] (51:00 - 51:04) We're talking about improvements to private property that we're requiring of them. [Speaker 4] (51:05 - 51:10) And so like a Title five you can sell a home with a failed Title five, but it's out in the open that it's failed and it needs to be addressed. [Speaker 1] (51:11 - 51:12) But can you get a loan when you actually do that? [Speaker 4] (51:13 - 51:16) Part of it is normally to get a D_E_P_ loan that's at zero percent. Like, [Speaker 1] (51:16 - 51:16) Right. [Speaker 4] (51:16 - 51:17) you know, like there are D_E_P_ [Speaker 1] (51:17 - 51:20) Those lenders aren't gonna give you one if you fail a title. [Speaker 5] (51:20 - 51:20) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (51:21 - 51:33) There are opportunities to get funding from the state or to do it as part of the sale, which is title five was created at the time of transfer because that's the time at which there's enough money moving between the current homeowner and the future homeowner to cover that cost. [Speaker 1] (51:33 - 51:33) Right. [Speaker 1] (51:34 - 51:40) I just don't see how we have any recourse, even with the six-month post timeline. [Speaker 4] (51:40 - 51:40) Yep. [Speaker 1] (51:40 - 51:42) Like we're setting ourselves up to fail. [Speaker 1] (51:42 - 51:46) I personally just think it should, [Speaker 1] (51:46 - 51:48) it would behoove this town to [Speaker 1] (51:49 - 51:52) have really to put a hold on the sale until it's fixed. [Speaker 4] (51:52 - 51:56) Well, one question on that, Danielle. There was something earlier about the weather. [Speaker 4] (51:56 - 52:05) Is it is it like very difficult to do these in any way, like when it's like zero degrees out for whatever 10 degrees for a month that ever happens? [Speaker 6] (52:05 - 52:07) Well, the repair might be difficult, [Speaker 1] (52:07 - 52:07) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (52:07 - 52:08) I guess, [Speaker 4] (52:08 - 52:08) Yeah, [Speaker 6] (52:08 - 52:08) because you're gonna [Speaker 4] (52:08 - 52:08) yeah. [Speaker 6] (52:08 - 52:09) uproot the [Speaker 1] (52:09 - 52:09) Yep. [Speaker 6] (52:09 - 52:16) the front yard or whatever to get to your lateral to replace it So yeah If you have ten feet of snow on your ground or whatever and you have to move all that [Speaker 6] (52:16 - 52:20) and so I would assume that yes you would have an issue timing repair. [Speaker 4] (52:21 - 52:23) Is that true, Kelly, [Speaker 4] (52:23 - 52:24) Brian? Is that [Speaker 2] (52:24 - 52:30) Yeah, I mean I think the CCTV can be done and it isn't really weather dependent but the repair could be. [Speaker 6] (52:33 - 52:39) Yeah, I also don't know the sorry I just don't know the universe I don't have a good concept of the universe of like [Speaker 6] (52:40 - 53:02) Number one, how many sales occur, so what are we talking, what's the pool we are talking about? Number two, what we project the lateral failure to be. So like are we really talking about five sites a year on average? Are we talking about fifty sites a year on average? Like I just don't have a concept of it, so it's hard for me to say we need more uh guardrails or it's okay that we're a little bit [Speaker 6] (53:03 - 53:11) less with the guardrails and let's like take a year see how it plays out monitor it and then consider coming back I just don't know [Speaker 1] (53:12 - 53:25) My understanding from listening to one of your meetings when you were discussing this was to just give as much flexibility to being able to have this repaired and not put a burden on the home buyer or the home seller, [Speaker 1] (53:25 - 53:30) and that this was your committee's recommendation just to [Speaker 7] (53:30 - 53:35) you know, be able to achieve the goal of having the repair without putting a burden on anybody. [Speaker 4] (53:36 - 53:36) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (53:36 - 53:38) Well s well somebody has to bear the burden of fixing it. [Speaker 6] (53:38 - 53:39) Right. [Speaker 1] (53:39 - 53:44) So how how do we I mean we can't s c the town can't certainly bear that burden and that's [Speaker 4] (53:44 - 53:44) Shouldn't. [Speaker 1] (53:44 - 53:45) what's happening. So [Speaker 4] (53:45 - 53:46) Well, but I I think [Speaker 1] (53:46 - 53:47) I think we're all fixing it. [Speaker 4] (53:47 - 53:57) here, I just the way I d I I'm not bothered by giving the six months because of the weather thing. Um but I would just leave off the K_P_ comment and this just says [Speaker 7] (53:57 - 53:57) That's [Speaker 4] (53:57 - 54:07) If you got six months you knew about it before you have to know about it before you sell right then you get six months to fix it [Speaker 4] (54:07 - 54:09) I think that seems like plenty reasonable time [Speaker 7] (54:09 - 54:10) Mm [Speaker 4] (54:10 - 54:10) to [Speaker 7] (54:10 - 54:10) -hmm. [Speaker 4] (54:10 - 54:11) fix it, right? [Speaker 6] (54:11 - 54:11) And it's [Speaker 4] (54:11 - 54:11) And [Speaker 6] (54:11 - 54:11) far [Speaker 4] (54:11 - 54:11) so [Speaker 6] (54:11 - 54:11) more, [Speaker 4] (54:11 - 54:14) then if you don't do it, it's You shall. a fee. [Speaker 6] (54:14 - 54:14) it's [Speaker 4] (54:14 - 54:14) It's a far share. [Speaker 6] (54:14 - 54:15) more likely [Speaker 1] (54:15 - 54:15) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (54:15 - 54:17) that you will escrow greater than the repair, [Speaker 1] (54:17 - 54:17) Right. [Speaker 6] (54:17 - 54:23) so the seller doesn't want to keep that money tied up in escrow. They want to fix it and get their money back and move on. [Speaker 6] (54:24 - 54:30) They want to be done with it. I don't think, I think there is still an incentive to it for them to do the work. I don't think we've lost, [Speaker 6] (54:30 - 54:31) they've lost all the leverage there. [Speaker 8] (54:32 - 54:37) So just on sales, it's about somewhere between two hundred and two hundred and sixty annually. [Speaker 1] (54:37 - 54:37) A year? [Speaker 8] (54:37 - 54:38) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (54:38 - 54:39) A year, okay. [Speaker 1] (54:39 - 54:43) So maybe ten percent would run into this. I mean, I don't know, I'm throwing that figure out there. [Speaker 6] (54:44 - 54:44) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (54:45 - 54:46) I'm saying ha you know, faulty lateral. [Speaker 4] (54:47 - 54:48) From all your lateral work? [Speaker 1] (54:48 - 54:54) Right. From me digging down under the manhole. I mean, I don't know, does anyone have a better statistic? They can throw out. [Speaker 1] (54:55 - 54:55) Because we don't [Speaker 6] (54:55 - 54:55) Oh, [Speaker 1] (54:55 - 54:56) want I to lose our... [Speaker 6] (54:56 - 55:06) It would be great if it was even less. I guess we should, I mean, obviously I'd love to come back and understand after we pass this how many have actually failed and like what the [Speaker 1] (55:06 - 55:06) Do we even [Speaker 6] (55:06 - 55:06) number [Speaker 1] (55:06 - 55:08) know that? Would we even know if [Speaker 4] (55:08 - 55:08) We [Speaker 1] (55:08 - 55:08) one [Speaker 4] (55:08 - 55:08) should [Speaker 1] (55:08 - 55:08) failed? [Speaker 4] (55:08 - 55:09) from our work, right? [Speaker 1] (55:09 - 55:09) Or maybe... [Speaker 4] (55:09 - 55:10) Geno should know this, how [Speaker 6] (55:10 - 55:10) Maybe [Speaker 4] (55:10 - 55:10) many like. [Speaker 6] (55:10 - 55:11) there's an estimate. [Speaker 4] (55:11 - 55:15) So the the work that Geno's doing is in a very defined universe of it's not [Speaker 6] (55:15 - 55:15) And [Speaker 4] (55:15 - 55:16) town [Speaker 6] (55:16 - 55:16) it's only [Speaker 4] (55:16 - 55:16) wide. [Speaker 6] (55:16 - 55:18) laterals that cross... [Speaker 1] (55:18 - 55:18) So we have no idea. [Speaker 4] (55:18 - 55:22) It's laterals across the sewer in Stacy's Brook area. [Speaker 4] (55:22 - 55:23) So it's not [Speaker 1] (55:23 - 55:24) It's a small subset. I [Speaker 4] (55:24 - 55:24) right. [Speaker 1] (55:24 - 55:25) mean we have no idea. [Speaker 4] (55:25 - 55:29) So I think we may be better served by just reaching out to Danvers, Salem, [Speaker 4] (55:29 - 55:29) places, [Speaker 4] (55:29 - 55:32) Marblehead places that are doing it and just say what is what is a [Speaker 1] (55:32 - 55:32) Sure. [Speaker 4] (55:32 - 55:34) failure rate look like. [Speaker 6] (55:34 - 55:34) Yeah, that's [Speaker 4] (55:34 - 55:34) That [Speaker 6] (55:34 - 55:34) a good point. [Speaker 4] (55:34 - 55:40) can be something to the point David raised earlier that can be part of the presentation of town meeting just so people have context and [Speaker 6] (55:40 - 55:40) Yep. [Speaker 4] (55:40 - 55:48) understand if we're selling 250 homes in a year the towns that have it nearby with similar you know sort of housing stock. [Speaker 4] (55:49 - 55:54) I have a failure rate of X percent each year. That's something that we could just do a little research on. [Speaker 1] (55:55 - 55:55) Okay. [Speaker 2] (55:55 - 55:56) Yep. [Speaker 7] (55:56 - 56:01) Can you just go back to the K_P_ law thing? I just I'm not really seeing why the K_P_ law thing is a big deal. [Speaker 4] (56:04 - 56:06) Because it introduces the ambiguity because [Speaker 7] (56:06 - 56:07) Right. [Speaker 2] (56:07 - 56:07) It needs [Speaker 4] (56:07 - 56:08) it's got [Speaker 2] (56:08 - 56:08) to a be [Speaker 4] (56:08 - 56:08) back. [Speaker 2] (56:08 - 56:08) enforced. [Speaker 6] (56:08 - 56:10) It says the provisions of the bylaw may [Speaker 2] (56:10 - 56:10) May not. [Speaker 6] (56:10 - 56:12) be enforced by non-criminal disposition, [Speaker 7] (56:12 - 56:13) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (56:13 - 56:16) rather than saying shall be or just not saying anything at all. [Speaker 2] (56:16 - 56:16) Or will be. [Speaker 6] (56:16 - 56:17) Or yeah, [Speaker 7] (56:17 - 56:17) Right. [Speaker 6] (56:17 - 56:19) will or shall, yeah, either. [Speaker 4] (56:19 - 56:24) And even though I don't think that actually is intended to take away the shall, [Speaker 4] (56:24 - 56:29) I think it's only saying that you may enforce it through a different mechanism, [Speaker 2] (56:29 - 56:29) Correct. [Speaker 4] (56:29 - 56:29) right? [Speaker 4] (56:30 - 56:30) That's all it's [Speaker 2] (56:30 - 56:30) Correct. [Speaker 4] (56:30 - 56:30) saying. [Speaker 6] (56:30 - 56:31) That's all it's saying. [Speaker 4] (56:31 - 56:32) But I still. [Speaker 4] (56:31 - 56:52) still feel like So I will just highlight like health and building inspector are they have discretionary language in a lot of cases so that like you know discretion like to call it a ticket They or discretion say may like versus shall but about assessing the fee or the way you assess the fee because this is only about the way you assess it [Speaker 4] (56:53 - 57:01) I guess I'm I'm I'm failing to see a significant distinct like for me if you're talking about something like the building inspector and signage on Humphrey Street, [Speaker 7] (57:01 - 57:02) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (57:02 - 57:12) he could be writing tickets every day or he could be assessing fines rather every day for signs that are outside the bylaws and outside what we allow. [Speaker 4] (57:13 - 57:22) his preference, and I think this is appropriate when you talk about building in health inspec not health inspections in terms of safety, but health inspections probably. Like there's an opportunity to say, [Speaker 4] (57:22 - 57:32) we want you to cure this, you're outside compliance, we're not gonna start assessing a fee for two hundred and fifty dollars every day for a, you know, neon sign that shouldn't be in the window. [Speaker 8] (57:33 - 57:42) Understood, Nick, but I think i with all due respect, I think you're confusing the issue, because is what we're saying is that [Speaker 4] (57:44 - 57:54) The by-law, as it's proposed, without K.P.'s comment, is a shell, period. And this doesn't change the shell. This only adds an option [Speaker 7] (57:54 - 57:55) I'm not going about to mess around with the zoning. [Speaker 4] (57:55 - 58:00) the way you actually assess the fee, not whether or not you're going to do it. [Speaker 4] (58:01 - 58:03) I do understand that. So [Speaker 4] (58:04 - 58:06) Am I understanding incorrectly then, or No, I [Speaker 4] (58:07 - 58:18) I ju I wanted to introduce the idea, because the when I originally said the May versus shall, the feedback was you're leaving up to discretion of town employees. I'm highlighting that that exists in other places in town. [Speaker 7] (58:18 - 58:18) Right. [Speaker 4] (58:18 - 58:19) That's all I'm doing. [Speaker 9] (58:19 - 58:24) Okay. But that would be a different conversation about introducing discretion to [Speaker 6] (58:24 - 58:24) Um [Speaker 9] (58:24 - 58:24) actually [Speaker 6] (58:24 - 58:25) I guess [Speaker 9] (58:25 - 58:25) assess [Speaker 6] (58:25 - 58:25) the first [Speaker 9] (58:25 - 58:25) the fee. [Speaker 6] (58:25 - 58:26) part of the fee. [Speaker 9] (58:26 - 58:27) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (58:27 - 58:28) And to s [Speaker 9] (58:28 - 58:28) Right. [Speaker 6] (58:28 - 58:30) s eight A_ [Speaker 9] (58:31 - 58:31) Right. I. [Speaker 9] (58:32 - 58:33) as best I understand it. [Speaker 8] (58:33 - 58:39) But I think, I thi I think there's a there should be a distinction between something that is polluting um [Speaker 7] (58:39 - 58:40) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (58:40 - 58:40) polluting [Speaker 9] (58:40 - 58:40) Yeah, [Speaker 8] (58:40 - 58:40) our [Speaker 9] (58:40 - 58:40) I would [Speaker 8] (58:40 - 58:40) waterways [Speaker 9] (58:40 - 58:41) totally agree. [Speaker 8] (58:41 - 58:42) and a sign that [Speaker 9] (58:42 - 58:42) Right. [Speaker 7] (58:42 - 58:42) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (58:42 - 58:43) is against zoning. [Speaker 9] (58:43 - 58:43) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (58:43 - 58:44) Right. Just [Speaker 7] (58:44 - 58:44) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (58:44 - 58:44) Totally. [Speaker 8] (58:44 - 58:45) that there's two things are [Speaker 6] (58:45 - 58:45) I [Speaker 8] (58:45 - 58:45) not [Speaker 6] (58:45 - 58:45) think there's [Speaker 8] (58:45 - 58:45) exactly. [Speaker 6] (58:45 - 58:56) a difference between an education as far as like a person who's going to maintain a business and understanding what code what code violations look like and how we assess them and [Speaker 6] (58:57 - 59:02) a change of control of a house whose lateral is, you know, leaking into I mean hopefully [Speaker 8] (59:02 - 59:03) To King's speech. [Speaker 6] (59:03 - 59:04) yeah. [Speaker 9] (59:04 - 59:04) Or [Speaker 7] (59:04 - 59:04) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (59:04 - 59:05) Or whatever speech. [Speaker 9] (59:05 - 59:05) elsewhere. [Speaker 9] (59:05 - 59:05) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (59:05 - 59:07) Or into our sewers. Uh okay. [Speaker 6] (59:08 - 59:16) Alright, so yes, I agree though, Nick, that we need whatever presentation happens at town meeting if this [Speaker 6] (59:17 - 59:22) successful is needs to include the context should include some j um [Speaker 6] (59:24 - 59:28) Cost projections to the homeowner should include, [Speaker 6] (59:28 - 59:30) it would be great if we had some stats like David provided, [Speaker 6] (59:30 - 59:34) like how many property sales. [Speaker 2] (59:49 - 59:50) Okay. [Speaker 3] (59:50 - 59:55) Well what is our recommendation going to be then on this on this line with K_P_ Law? [Speaker 4] (59:57 - 59:58) I'm a no. [Speaker 1] (59:59 - 1:00:00) You don't want to you don't want to put it in. [Speaker 3] (1:00:00 - 1:00:03) Because it's leaves too much ambiguity [Speaker 5] (1:00:03 - 1:00:03) Ambiguity. [Speaker 3] (1:00:03 - 1:00:04) ambiguity there [Speaker 4] (1:00:08 - 1:00:08) Same. [Speaker 1] (1:00:08 - 1:00:11) I don't I think we could always add the section to the bylaw if we if [Speaker 3] (1:00:11 - 1:00:12) Right. That's what [Speaker 1] (1:00:12 - 1:00:13) not required for [Speaker 3] (1:00:13 - 1:00:14) Something [Speaker 1] (1:00:14 - 1:00:14) the for [Speaker 3] (1:00:14 - 1:00:14) could take it out [Speaker 1] (1:00:14 - 1:00:22) the bylaw. So if KP law comes back and says upon listening to our conversation that it is required, [Speaker 1] (1:00:23 - 1:00:24) we should know immediately. [Speaker 3] (1:00:27 - 1:00:29) But is it your opinion that we should leave it in? [Speaker 6] (1:00:30 - 1:00:31) I my opinion. [Speaker 3] (1:00:31 - 1:00:33) Is it your recommendation that we leave it in? [Speaker 6] (1:00:34 - 1:00:40) I think it's something that they had highlighted for discussion among the board. So I'm happy to follow wherever you all land on this. [Speaker 6] (1:00:40 - 1:00:49) The the work that the water sewer advisory committee has done over a long period has created what is before us. They offered an alternative that could be added. [Speaker 6] (1:00:50 - 1:00:51) I don't think it [Speaker 6] (1:00:52 - 1:01:02) is something that necessarily is up to me. It was a opportunity that Tom wanted to highlight for us and we're more than welcome to take or dismiss any of their advice. [Speaker 3] (1:01:02 - 1:01:02) Right. [Speaker 6] (1:01:02 - 1:01:15) Um it doesn't really, you know, materially change the idea that this is a priority that people share and finding the best way to do it that can get a recommendation from the board and get town meeting to act, I think is what's most important. [Speaker 3] (1:01:15 - 1:01:20) Kelly, did you have any thoughts based on the feedback we just gave what you think about that last line? [Speaker 7] (1:01:22 - 1:01:38) I don't really have feel super strong one way or the other. I think the point is these things need to get inspected and they need to be repaired within six months. How the mechanism for for assessing the penalty, I don't I don't feel strongly what the mechanism is. [Speaker 3] (1:01:38 - 1:01:39) Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:01:39 - 1:01:39) What [Speaker 6] (1:01:39 - 1:01:39) I think [Speaker 3] (1:01:39 - 1:01:40) about you, Brian? [Speaker 6] (1:01:40 - 1:01:40) we're... [Speaker 8] (1:01:41 - 1:01:45) I was going to say if I'm doing performance appraisals of KP Law, [Speaker 8] (1:01:45 - 1:01:47) I'd say putting could be. [Speaker 8] (1:01:47 - 1:01:58) in a, you know, opinion to us non-lawyers and non-real estate people d doesn't isn't helpful, you know. And even with that could've explained [Speaker 8] (1:01:59 - 1:02:12) because of this reason or because of that reason and it's it's just I think I think you can leave it as it is, it's a fine, it's clear, and if we must change it down the road we can change that line. [Speaker 8] (1:02:13 - 1:02:16) That's my that's where I'm parked. [Speaker 3] (1:02:16 - 1:02:17) Thank you. [Speaker 6] (1:02:17 - 1:02:17) Thanks. [Speaker 1] (1:02:18 - 1:02:18) Hey. [Speaker 8] (1:02:18 - 1:02:19) Sorry, yeah, that's where I'm parked. [Speaker 1] (1:02:19 - 1:02:22) So I guess then [Speaker 6] (1:02:23 - 1:02:26) We will be discussing this when we get to the warranty section anyway. [Speaker 1] (1:02:26 - 1:02:27) Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:02:27 - 1:02:27) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:02:27 - 1:02:28) So we will look at it [Speaker 6] (1:02:28 - 1:02:29) So you can you'll have an opportunity [Speaker 9] (1:02:29 - 1:02:30) We [Speaker 6] (1:02:30 - 1:02:30) to [Speaker 9] (1:02:30 - 1:02:31) can punt for ten minutes. [Speaker 6] (1:02:32 - 1:02:32) Hmm? [Speaker 6] (1:02:32 - 1:02:32) Talk [Speaker 1] (1:02:32 - 1:02:33) So [Speaker 8] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33) Are we [Speaker 6] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33) about [Speaker 1] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33) that's [Speaker 8] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33) going to have lawyers [Speaker 6] (1:02:33 - 1:02:34) a bad idea. [Speaker 8] (1:02:34 - 1:02:34) on that real [Speaker 1] (1:02:34 - 1:02:34) Yeah, [Speaker 8] (1:02:34 - 1:02:34) estate? [Speaker 1] (1:02:34 - 1:02:35) you do want to make a note. [Speaker 8] (1:02:35 - 1:02:36) It doesn't, isn't helpful, [Speaker 8] (1:02:37 - 1:02:39) you know, Okay. like even with that [Speaker 1] (1:02:39 - 1:02:39) Oh, [Speaker 1] (1:02:39 - 1:02:39) We're on delay? [Speaker 8] (1:02:39 - 1:02:40) Goodness [Speaker 6] (1:02:40 - 1:02:40) Yep. [Speaker 8] (1:02:40 - 1:02:41) like that me? [Speaker 1] (1:02:41 - 1:02:41) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:02:41 - 1:02:42) Because of this reason [Speaker 1] (1:02:42 - 1:02:42) Joe, [Speaker 8] (1:02:42 - 1:02:42) because [Speaker 1] (1:02:42 - 1:02:43) we're on delay [Speaker 8] (1:02:43 - 1:02:44) of that reason and it's, [Speaker 1] (1:02:44 - 1:02:44) in [Speaker 8] (1:02:44 - 1:02:44) it's [Speaker 1] (1:02:44 - 1:02:45) the speaker? [Speaker 8] (1:02:45 - 1:02:47) I think, I think you can leave it as it [Speaker 1] (1:02:47 - 1:02:47) That's [Speaker 8] (1:02:47 - 1:02:48) is. [Speaker 1] (1:02:48 - 1:02:48) Brian. [Speaker 8] (1:02:48 - 1:02:49) It's a fine, it's [Speaker 1] (1:02:49 - 1:02:50) It's where clear. you said those things. [Speaker 8] (1:02:50 - 1:02:50) And if [Speaker 1] (1:02:50 - 1:02:50) It's [Speaker 8] (1:02:50 - 1:02:50) we [Speaker 1] (1:02:50 - 1:02:51) like we've traveled back into [Speaker 8] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51) must [Speaker 1] (1:02:51 - 1:02:51) the past. [Speaker 8] (1:02:51 - 1:02:53) change it down the road, [Speaker 6] (1:02:53 - 1:02:53) Does [Speaker 8] (1:02:53 - 1:02:53) that can [Speaker 6] (1:02:53 - 1:02:53) it prevent [Speaker 8] (1:02:53 - 1:02:53) change [Speaker 6] (1:02:53 - 1:02:54) that [Speaker 8] (1:02:54 - 1:02:54) like [Speaker 6] (1:02:54 - 1:02:54) client? [Speaker 8] (1:02:54 - 1:02:55) that language from getting [Speaker 6] (1:02:55 - 1:02:55) That's [Speaker 8] (1:02:55 - 1:02:55) out. [Speaker 6] (1:02:55 - 1:02:56) fine. I said. [Speaker 6] (1:02:57 - 1:02:59) I think it was extremely well said. I [Speaker 8] (1:02:59 - 1:02:59) No. [Speaker 6] (1:02:59 - 1:03:00) think it was worth [Speaker 1] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00) That's Okay. [Speaker 6] (1:03:00 - 1:03:01) it. You just wanted to hear it twice. [Speaker 1] (1:03:01 - 1:03:04) Yes, it's just so we can bleep you out if you get rowdy. [Speaker 1] (1:03:05 - 1:03:11) Um uh yeah, we will talk about it again when it comes up in the warrant, but the appendix reference is C_ not E_ [Speaker 6] (1:03:12 - 1:03:12) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:03:14 - 1:03:16) So we will move on, [Speaker 6] (1:03:16 - 1:03:16) I [Speaker 1] (1:03:16 - 1:03:16) we'll [Speaker 6] (1:03:16 - 1:03:16) think [Speaker 1] (1:03:16 - 1:03:17) vote [Speaker 6] (1:03:17 - 1:03:17) we [Speaker 1] (1:03:17 - 1:03:17) on it with [Speaker 3] (1:03:17 - 1:03:17) the Right. [Speaker 1] (1:03:17 - 1:03:18) draft. Oh, sorry, yes. [Speaker 8] (1:03:19 - 1:03:21) I was a I was gonna ask that question as far as [Speaker 8] (1:03:22 - 1:03:24) At some point you guys have to vote on it, because that would be [Speaker 1] (1:03:24 - 1:03:24) Yeah, [Speaker 8] (1:03:24 - 1:03:25) the line. [Speaker 1] (1:03:25 - 1:03:27) we'll vote on it when we vote on the warrant and then we'll t [Speaker 8] (1:03:27 - 1:03:27) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:03:27 - 1:03:29) we'll decide like uh who will [Speaker 6] (1:03:29 - 1:03:29) Recommendation. [Speaker 1] (1:03:29 - 1:03:30) speak on it. [Speaker 8] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30) Because [Speaker 1] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30) We'll make [Speaker 8] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30) it's [Speaker 1] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30) a recommendation. [Speaker 8] (1:03:30 - 1:03:32) included in the warrant at this point. [Speaker 9] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33) That's what [Speaker 1] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33) It [Speaker 9] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33) I mean. [Speaker 1] (1:03:33 - 1:03:36) is included in the warrant at this point, and we'll make a recommendation from [Speaker 8] (1:03:36 - 1:03:36) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:03:36 - 1:03:43) the select board as it exists in the warrant when we get to the warrant in um discussion item number four. [Speaker 6] (1:03:46 - 1:03:51) So I guess just to you need Kelly and Brian to be waiting around here or is there someone [Speaker 1] (1:03:51 - 1:03:54) Do you want to take a straw poll so they feel comfortable about leaving? [Speaker 6] (1:03:54 - 1:03:59) Yeah, I mean if there's any other questions on that I I suppose that would be helpful to them I would think. I [Speaker 1] (1:03:59 - 1:03:59) Okay. [Speaker 6] (1:03:59 - 1:04:01) mean is there a reason why we can't I [Speaker 1] (1:04:01 - 1:04:02) Vote on it now? [Speaker 6] (1:04:02 - 1:04:04) guess yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:04:05 - 1:04:05) Sure. [Speaker 1] (1:04:06 - 1:04:07) Do you want to make a motion, Doug? [Speaker 6] (1:04:08 - 1:04:09) I feel bad now that David's out of the room. [Speaker 1] (1:04:09 - 1:04:11) I know, but you wanna wait till he gets back? [Speaker 6] (1:04:11 - 1:04:12) Sure, [Speaker 1] (1:04:12 - 1:04:12) No pressure, [Speaker 1] (1:04:12 - 1:04:13) David, [Speaker 6] (1:04:13 - 1:04:13) whatever you [Speaker 1] (1:04:13 - 1:04:14) he doesn't [Speaker 6] (1:04:14 - 1:04:14) want to do. [Speaker 1] (1:04:14 - 1:04:14) even know. [Speaker 6] (1:04:14 - 1:04:18) We could also take the warrant out of order if you want so that we can move them. [Speaker 1] (1:04:19 - 1:04:20) Sure. [Speaker 8] (1:04:20 - 1:04:20) Good. [Speaker 1] (1:04:20 - 1:04:24) We can take on the warrant next and then we can go straight to this article. [Speaker 6] (1:04:24 - 1:04:26) As soon as David's back, we'll jump [Speaker 8] (1:04:26 - 1:04:26) We'll to move [Speaker 6] (1:04:26 - 1:04:26) this. [Speaker 8] (1:04:26 - 1:04:26) those. [Speaker 6] (1:04:26 - 1:04:27) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:04:29 - 1:04:36) So we will, that's a great suggestion, I think you will take the new business out of order. [Speaker 1] (1:04:36 - 1:04:43) We will move from the Hawthorne lease approval to the discussion and vote of the annual town meeting warrant. [Speaker 1] (1:04:44 - 1:04:55) We will skip, apologies if you're following at home, but we will skip directly to Article 10 so that Brian and Kelly could enjoy the rest of their evening or stay with us if they so choose. [Speaker 1] (1:04:55 - 1:05:00) um which is the inspection of the sewer laterals at the time of sale. [Speaker 1] (1:05:02 - 1:05:05) Um so my comment stands about the appendix [Speaker 8] (1:05:05 - 1:05:05) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:05:05 - 1:05:06) reference. [Speaker 1] (1:05:12 - 1:05:21) And then Kelly and um Brian, somebody will just pop up and perhaps give a version of that. [Speaker 1] (1:05:21 - 1:05:24) Very quick slide show during town meeting, [Speaker 6] (1:05:24 - 1:05:26) right? I work with them on Okay. a presentation [Speaker 1] (1:05:26 - 1:05:26) Great. [Speaker 6] (1:05:26 - 1:05:30) they will highlight the information requested and anything else they want to share. [Speaker 1] (1:05:30 - 1:05:30) Okay, perfect. [Speaker 1] (1:05:32 - 1:05:33) Alright, so [Speaker 6] (1:05:33 - 1:05:36) Well, I'm just going to like make a little editorial comment here for a moment. [Speaker 1] (1:05:36 - 1:05:37) Because you have [Speaker 6] (1:05:37 - 1:05:37) A little [Speaker 1] (1:05:37 - 1:05:37) the time. [Speaker 6] (1:05:37 - 1:05:37) bit stalling [Speaker 1] (1:05:37 - 1:05:37) It's [Speaker 6] (1:05:37 - 1:05:38) for [Speaker 1] (1:05:38 - 1:05:38) your last [Speaker 6] (1:05:38 - 1:05:38) David to [Speaker 1] (1:05:38 - 1:05:38) meeting. [Speaker 6] (1:05:38 - 1:05:49) but no no no. For just, I yeah, somewhat because of that. I just want to say thank you to Kelly and to Brian and to the whole water and sewer uh infrastructure advisory committee. [Speaker 6] (1:05:49 - 1:05:59) I know it has not necessarily always been a pleasurable experience. Um but we are ex I I'll speak for myself. I am very very grateful. [Speaker 6] (1:05:59 - 1:06:26) for all the work that you all have put into so many issues and from everything from the somewhat mundane persevering on something like this to the much larger issues that you're putting in endless hours it's really really appreciated by me I think by a lot of people for a long time to come so I just wanted to take that chance to to thank you [Speaker 1] (1:06:29 - 1:06:29) I [Speaker 9] (1:06:29 - 1:06:29) think Third. [Speaker 1] (1:06:29 - 1:06:33) echoing Doug's comments, appreciate it very very much. [Speaker 3] (1:06:33 - 1:06:33) Yes. [Speaker 1] (1:06:33 - 1:06:51) Alright David, we moved onto the warrant so that um Brian and Kelly could um leave us if they so choose, and we sk we skipped to article ten, s right to that so we can vote on um the article uh so I will take a [Speaker 1] (1:06:53 - 1:06:59) The motion to vote on Article 10 of the sewer lateral at the time of sale or transfer is reflected in Article Appendix C, [Speaker 1] (1:06:59 - 1:06:59) warrant. [Speaker 3] (1:06:59 - 1:07:00) So we're ready. [Speaker 1] (1:07:01 - 1:07:02) Second? [Speaker 9] (1:07:02 - 1:07:02) Second. [Speaker 1] (1:07:02 - 1:07:03) All in favor? [Speaker 9] (1:07:04 - 1:07:04) Aye. [Speaker 1] (1:07:04 - 1:07:04) Aye. [Speaker 6] (1:07:04 - 1:07:05) Aye. [Speaker 1] (1:07:05 - 1:07:07) That's a five-oh. [Speaker 6] (1:07:08 - 1:07:11) So that's just going to show us the Select Board recommends 5-0, right? [Speaker 1] (1:07:11 - 1:07:13) Yep, the Select Board recommends 5-0. [Speaker 1] (1:07:14 - 1:07:16) I'm sure Patrick is already changing it. [Speaker 1] (1:07:19 - 1:07:20) All right, [Speaker 1] (1:07:20 - 1:07:20) so... [Speaker 1] (1:07:23 - 1:07:28) As the town administrator stated, he'll work with you guys to get something presented which incorporates some of the commentary we just gave. [Speaker 1] (1:07:31 - 1:07:31) Thank you guys very, [Speaker 3] (1:07:31 - 1:07:32) Thank you, Ryan. [Speaker 1] (1:07:32 - 1:07:32) very much. [Speaker 3] (1:07:32 - 1:07:33) Thank you for all your work. [Speaker 1] (1:07:33 - 1:07:33) Kelly. [Speaker 6] (1:07:33 - 1:07:33) Thank you, Kelly. [Speaker 3] (1:07:33 - 1:07:33) We appreciate it. [Speaker 7] (1:07:34 - 1:07:35) Thank you, thank you. [Speaker 1] (1:07:36 - 1:07:44) Alright, so we'll go backwards in time to um the first article, which is [Speaker 6] (1:07:45 - 1:07:46) Approved bills prior fiscal years. [Speaker 1] (1:07:47 - 1:07:49) The bills of prior fiscal year oh, sorry, [Speaker 1] (1:07:50 - 1:07:53) the second article, 'cause the first one's the reports of boards Right. and committees. Yep. [Speaker 9] (1:07:56 - 1:08:01) So, we had d we have Excuse me, do we have a list of those boards and committees that are gonna be presenting? [Speaker 6] (1:08:01 - 1:08:12) We've been looking at what's been done in the past, I will work with the chair to make sure that we address all of them that may want to. Uh, you know, watching the last couple of years, it's been limited. [Speaker 9] (1:08:12 - 1:08:12) Mm. [Speaker 6] (1:08:12 - 1:08:15) And so we wanna make sure that we give anyone the opportunity, but I [Speaker 6] (1:08:16 - 1:08:16) You know, [Speaker 6] (1:08:16 - 1:08:20) Shannon and I have been watching past meetings and we'll work with the chair this week to make sure. [Speaker 3] (1:08:21 - 1:08:22) Is it our [Speaker 6] (1:08:22 - 1:08:22) More Shannon [Speaker 1] (1:08:22 - 1:08:22) Your [Speaker 3] (1:08:22 - 1:08:22) responsibility [Speaker 6] (1:08:22 - 1:08:22) and time. I [Speaker 3] (1:08:22 - 1:08:25) or the or the decision of the moderator? [Speaker 6] (1:08:26 - 1:08:28) I can also speak to [Speaker 6] (1:08:28 - 1:08:29) whoever [Speaker 1] (1:08:29 - 1:08:29) I think [Speaker 6] (1:08:29 - 1:08:29) wins [Speaker 1] (1:08:29 - 1:08:29) it's [Speaker 6] (1:08:29 - 1:08:30) the moderators race [Speaker 1] (1:08:30 - 1:08:31) Yes, I think [Speaker 6] (1:08:31 - 1:08:31) tomorrow. [Speaker 1] (1:08:31 - 1:08:37) it's traditionally been the moderator who has coordinated in conjunction with the town administrator so [Speaker 9] (1:08:37 - 1:08:38) Okay, that's accurate. [Speaker 1] (1:08:38 - 1:08:43) it is our it is our warrant, we've given the space and the moderator helps facilitate it. So [Speaker 9] (1:08:43 - 1:08:43) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (1:08:44 - 1:08:47) Whoever wins tomorrow will be able to help do that for us. [Speaker 1] (1:08:48 - 1:08:51) But I think everyone's typically very cognizant [Speaker 6] (1:08:51 - 1:08:51) Oh [Speaker 1] (1:08:51 - 1:08:51) of time, [Speaker 6] (1:08:51 - 1:08:51) Ryan, [Speaker 1] (1:08:51 - 1:08:51) so. [Speaker 6] (1:08:51 - 1:08:52) sure. [Speaker 1] (1:08:52 - 1:08:53) Hmm? [Speaker 1] (1:08:53 - 1:08:54) We don't know yet. That [Speaker 6] (1:08:54 - 1:08:54) I [Speaker 8] (1:08:54 - 1:08:55) Oh, [Speaker 6] (1:08:55 - 1:08:55) think I'll go Ryan. [Speaker 1] (1:08:55 - 1:08:58) Ryan, okay, well let's not get political here. [Speaker 3] (1:08:58 - 1:08:59) Oh boy. [Speaker 1] (1:08:59 - 1:09:10) Um approval on the bills of prior fiscal year. So we have parking ticket processing, um medical, duty medical claims and unemployment claims. [Speaker 1] (1:09:12 - 1:09:14) Any commentary on that before we? [Speaker 1] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15) Anybody [Speaker 6] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15) Does it [Speaker 1] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15) have [Speaker 6] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15) look [Speaker 1] (1:09:15 - 1:09:15) any questions? [Speaker 6] (1:09:15 - 1:09:16) like it does? [Speaker 6] (1:09:16 - 1:09:18) Just the second one, does it have a dollar amount or is it [Speaker 1] (1:09:19 - 1:09:20) It says 36% [Speaker 6] (1:09:20 - 1:09:20) 36 [Speaker 1] (1:09:20 - 1:09:21) No, look at your printout. [Speaker 6] (1:09:21 - 1:09:25) I printed a new one to reflect the most up-to-date information. [Speaker 6] (1:09:26 - 1:09:26) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (1:09:27 - 1:09:29) Thank you for the page numbers, appreciate [Speaker 2] (1:09:31 - 1:09:31) Thank them, [Speaker 1] (1:09:31 - 1:09:31) Chapter [Speaker 2] (1:09:31 - 1:09:32) it [Speaker 1] (1:09:32 - 1:09:32) eight. [Speaker 2] (1:09:32 - 1:09:33) was all out of last week, so. [Speaker 1] (1:09:33 - 1:09:34) It's page two. Yep. Deck. [Speaker 3] (1:09:35 - 1:09:37) Can you just disc so [Speaker 3] (1:09:39 - 1:09:44) that was a claim from last year, so it just fell through the cracks or what what does that mean? [Speaker 4] (1:09:44 - 1:09:46) Which bill are you referring to? [Speaker 1] (1:09:46 - 1:09:46) The second one. [Speaker 2] (1:09:46 - 1:09:47) Scripts. [Speaker 4] (1:09:47 - 1:09:51) Yep, so those are injured on duty medical claims for [Speaker 4] (1:09:52 - 1:09:55) firefighters and police officers that have been uh [Speaker 4] (1:09:57 - 1:10:21) obtained disability retirement due to an injury on duty, and it's specifically prescription drug costs that required by statute to fund for those individuals, based on the service related disability, and um came to our attention that those have gone unpaid for a while, so that's not one year's worth of claims, that's that's probably four years going back. Um they weren't being routed to the correct place and the company never followed up. [Speaker 4] (1:10:21 - 1:10:23) Um so the benefits department [Speaker 4] (1:10:24 - 1:10:30) has put a procedure in place so that those are being routed correctly going forward. Um but that's why you see a large figure there. [Speaker 4] (1:10:31 - 1:10:32) Larger. [Speaker 1] (1:10:32 - 1:10:33) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:10:38 - 1:10:44) Okay. Any additional questions or I'll entertain a motion to uh support article two. [Speaker 2] (1:10:46 - 1:10:47) So moved. [Speaker 3] (1:10:47 - 1:10:48) Second. [Speaker 1] (1:10:48 - 1:10:48) Oh. [Speaker 1] (1:10:48 - 1:10:49) All in favor? [Speaker 3] (1:10:49 - 1:10:50) All right. [Speaker 1] (1:10:50 - 1:10:50) Aye. [Speaker 4] (1:10:50 - 1:10:50) Aye. [Speaker 2] (1:10:50 - 1:10:50) Aye. [Speaker 1] (1:10:52 - 1:10:53) Alright, that's better. Oh. [Speaker 1] (1:10:55 - 1:10:59) Um, article three, the twenty twenty six operating budget. [Speaker 1] (1:11:00 - 1:11:02) Did you speak a little bit to where FinCom [Speaker 2] (1:11:02 - 1:11:02) I'm sorry, [Speaker 1] (1:11:02 - 1:11:03) left off? [Speaker 2] (1:11:03 - 1:11:03) can you say that again? [Speaker 1] (1:11:03 - 1:11:06) Yes, could you speak a little bit to where FinCom left off with it. [Speaker 2] (1:11:06 - 1:11:07) Can you... [Speaker 4] (1:11:07 - 1:11:08) I'll jump in. Yes. [Speaker 2] (1:11:08 - 1:11:08) Thank you. [Speaker 4] (1:11:08 - 1:11:11) Um, FinCom has not voted on this. [Speaker 4] (1:11:11 - 1:11:12) They vote. [Speaker 4] (1:11:12 - 1:11:14) They met last Thursday, excuse me. [Speaker 2] (1:11:14 - 1:11:14) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (1:11:14 - 1:11:22) They voted on an operating budget recommendation and a capital budget recommendation. The other financial articles they're taking up this Thursday, [Speaker 4] (1:11:22 - 1:11:22) which [Speaker 1] (1:11:22 - 1:11:22) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:11:22 - 1:11:23) is not opined. [Speaker 1] (1:11:25 - 1:11:28) Okay, so FinCom voted to support article three. [Speaker 4] (1:11:30 - 1:11:32) Article three they have not discussed. [Speaker 3] (1:11:32 - 1:11:33) What are they having to talk about? [Speaker 5] (1:11:33 - 1:11:33) They haven't [Speaker 2] (1:11:33 - 1:11:33) Is that that's [Speaker 5] (1:11:33 - 1:11:34) discussed [Speaker 2] (1:11:34 - 1:11:34) part of your budget. [Speaker 5] (1:11:34 - 1:11:34) it. [Speaker 1] (1:11:35 - 1:11:35) Sorry? [Speaker 2] (1:11:35 - 1:11:36) That's prior [Speaker 5] (1:11:36 - 1:11:36) That's [Speaker 2] (1:11:36 - 1:11:36) year. [Speaker 5] (1:11:36 - 1:11:36) that's an amendment [Speaker 1] (1:11:36 - 1:11:36) Oh, [Speaker 5] (1:11:36 - 1:11:36) to [Speaker 3] (1:11:36 - 1:11:37) Sorry. [Speaker 1] (1:11:37 - 1:11:37) sorry. [Speaker 5] (1:11:37 - 1:11:37) your design. [Speaker 3] (1:11:37 - 1:11:37) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:11:37 - 1:11:38) That's [Speaker 5] (1:11:38 - 1:11:38) Twenty [Speaker 2] (1:11:38 - 1:11:38) amendments [Speaker 5] (1:11:38 - 1:11:38) six. [Speaker 2] (1:11:38 - 1:11:38) were to [Speaker 1] (1:11:38 - 1:11:39) Oh, twenty [Speaker 2] (1:11:39 - 1:11:39) your budget. [Speaker 1] (1:11:39 - 1:11:40) six. I apologise. [Speaker 2] (1:11:41 - 1:11:45) Well, we were rogue when we actually approved article two without [Speaker 1] (1:11:45 - 1:11:46) Without FinCom. [Speaker 2] (1:11:46 - 1:11:47) without FinCom, huh? [Speaker 2] (1:11:48 - 1:11:48) Whew. [Speaker 1] (1:11:48 - 1:11:49) I don't think we really [Speaker 2] (1:11:49 - 1:11:50) That's pretty [Speaker 1] (1:11:50 - 1:11:50) have [Speaker 2] (1:11:50 - 1:11:50) bold of us. [Speaker 1] (1:11:50 - 1:11:52) It was bold of us. Because [Speaker 1] (1:11:53 - 1:11:55) we gonna do not pay our bills? That's not a great one. [Speaker 1] (1:11:56 - 1:12:02) Um, okay, so we we don't have to take up article two if people want to wait for a FinCom recommendation. They are meeting on Thursday. [Speaker 2] (1:12:03 - 1:12:03) So [Speaker 3] (1:12:03 - 1:12:03) So [Speaker 2] (1:12:03 - 1:12:04) what is the nature [Speaker 1] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04) Oh, and [Speaker 2] (1:12:04 - 1:12:04) of that? [Speaker 1] (1:12:04 - 1:12:05) we would have to vote. [Speaker 2] (1:12:05 - 1:12:18) That being said, the way that we're going through this with the current membership is that we would affix electronic signatures, you would vote to affix electronic signatures tonight, because you are no longer board members after the election. [Speaker 1] (1:12:19 - 1:12:19) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:12:19 - 1:12:19) Really? [Speaker 2] (1:12:20 - 1:12:21) Yeah. I knew. [Speaker 1] (1:12:21 - 1:12:21) Talk. [Speaker 2] (1:12:21 - 1:12:28) So I guess that would be a complicating factor in doing it in this in this way. [Speaker 2] (1:12:32 - 1:12:35) Well, what is the nature of the twenty twenty six [Speaker 2] (1:12:36 - 1:12:42) actual I mean we've got a list of numbers here but these are all things moving basically? That's what [Speaker 4] (1:12:42 - 1:12:42) Yeah, [Speaker 2] (1:12:42 - 1:12:42) we mean. [Speaker 4] (1:12:42 - 1:12:51) so I can highlight a few areas that um require funding at at town meeting, a budget transfer. The police contract being one. [Speaker 4] (1:12:52 - 1:12:58) Um that's been settled, so there's a hundred and thirty thousand dollars anticipated that we're gonna plug into that budget. [Speaker 4] (1:12:58 - 1:13:23) Um twenty thousand dollars towards uh veterans benefits that were obligated to pay out, those are trending beyond what we budgeted this year. Uh fifty seven thousand dollars towards principal and debt service and um twenty thousand dollars towards street lighting maintenance and eighteen thousand dollars towards uh interim town accountant services. So those are the areas that have been identified that require funding. [Speaker 4] (1:13:23 - 1:13:30) And so we're netting out of areas where we have identified savings. So we're not using free cash at all to balance this year's [Speaker 2] (1:13:30 - 1:13:30) All [Speaker 4] (1:13:30 - 1:13:30) budget. [Speaker 2] (1:13:30 - 1:13:32) balanced, in and out. [Speaker 3] (1:13:32 - 1:13:33) This is just a live shuffle? [Speaker 1] (1:13:33 - 1:13:34) It's a shuffle. [Speaker 4] (1:13:34 - 1:13:34) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:13:37 - 1:13:39) We'll go with that. We're basically drawing on the salary reserve. [Speaker 4] (1:13:40 - 1:13:40) Yep, [Speaker 1] (1:13:40 - 1:13:40) So [Speaker 4] (1:13:40 - 1:13:41) salary reserve, [Speaker 1] (1:13:41 - 1:13:41) this is a sign right [Speaker 4] (1:13:41 - 1:13:41) health care, [Speaker 1] (1:13:41 - 1:13:42) here. [Speaker 4] (1:13:42 - 1:13:44) and some vacancy savings from partial year vacancies. [Speaker 3] (1:13:48 - 1:13:50) And we have to we have to do this or why why [Speaker 4] (1:13:50 - 1:13:50) So [Speaker 3] (1:13:50 - 1:13:50) can't [Speaker 4] (1:13:50 - 1:13:51) you need [Speaker 3] (1:13:51 - 1:13:51) we just shuffle [Speaker 4] (1:13:51 - 1:13:51) to vote [Speaker 3] (1:13:51 - 1:13:51) it the other [Speaker 4] (1:13:51 - 1:13:51) on [Speaker 3] (1:13:51 - 1:13:52) way? [Speaker 4] (1:13:53 - 1:14:01) The budget transfer for a collective bargaining agreement at town meeting. So that's why this article exists and we know about these other things, so I I think it's prudent to just do it all at once. [Speaker 3] (1:14:02 - 1:14:02) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:14:03 - 1:14:03) Supportive. [Speaker 1] (1:14:04 - 1:14:19) Okay so maybe the motion might be to vote to support uh well we could vote to support outright without waiting for FinCom, we could also vote to support conditioned upon FinCom support. So the only reason we would need to come back is if FinCom didn't support it. [Speaker 3] (1:14:19 - 1:14:19) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:14:20 - 1:14:20) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 3] (1:14:20 - 1:14:21) I think that's a good idea. [Speaker 2] (1:14:21 - 1:14:21) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:14:22 - 1:14:22) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:14:22 - 1:14:23) So moved. [Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:14:26) So the motion is to condition it upon FinCom's [Speaker 2] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27) Correct. [Speaker 1] (1:14:27 - 1:14:28) review and approval. [Speaker 1] (1:14:28 - 1:14:29) Doug has moved. [Speaker 4] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29) Second. [Speaker 1] (1:14:29 - 1:14:32) Do we have a seconded? All in favor? [Speaker 2] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32) Aye. [Speaker 4] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32) Aye. [Speaker 3] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32) Aye. [Speaker 1] (1:14:32 - 1:14:34) Aye. That's a five-oh. [Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:39) Okay, so now on 2027's operating budget, [Speaker 1] (1:14:40 - 1:14:40) we already thought we were before. [Speaker 1] (1:14:40 - 1:14:41) Sorry. [Speaker 1] (1:14:42 - 1:14:47) I think Com has opined on the 27 operating and capital, [Speaker 1] (1:14:47 - 1:14:50) so there is no condition required here. [Speaker 2] (1:14:53 - 1:14:55) Patrick, maybe give it just a brief [Speaker 6] (1:14:55 - 1:14:55) That [Speaker 2] (1:14:55 - 1:14:56) they there that's was about [Speaker 6] (1:14:56 - 1:14:56) enough. [Speaker 2] (1:14:56 - 1:14:59) $300,000 I saw reported or something, movement or something like that. [Speaker 4] (1:14:59 - 1:15:19) Yes, so I updated this table um based on where FINCOM is at before they finalise their votes Thursday evening. So there were a couple changes that they made at that meeting I can highlight for you. Um they removed funding from uh the police budget and the fire budget for [Speaker 4] (1:15:19 - 1:15:26) recruitment and entrance exams and promotional exams because there's a consolidated budget amount in H.R. seemed duplicative. [Speaker 4] (1:15:26 - 1:15:32) So those were removed in the amount of fifteen hundred dollars and eighty five hundred dollars and [Speaker 4] (1:15:33 - 1:15:42) they also um we updated the state aid numbers to reflect the house budget on both revenue and expense. So those are up to date. [Speaker 4] (1:15:42 - 1:15:52) And after a long discussion, they recommended increasing the estimate on the cannabis excise tax to two hundred and sixty one thousand dollars from two hundred thousand dollars. [Speaker 4] (1:15:52 - 1:15:57) So those are the changes that they made that are not reflected in the draft we have here. [Speaker 2] (1:15:58 - 1:16:00) So $60,000 bump in revenue, [Speaker 4] (1:16:00 - 1:16:00) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (1:16:00 - 1:16:04) $10,000 reduction in expense. [Speaker 4] (1:16:05 - 1:16:07) So if you include the state aid and [Speaker 2] (1:16:07 - 1:16:07) Without [Speaker 4] (1:16:07 - 1:16:07) the state [Speaker 2] (1:16:07 - 1:16:08) the state [Speaker 4] (1:16:08 - 1:16:08) assessments, [Speaker 2] (1:16:08 - 1:16:09) aid, I was going to be right, that separate, but [Speaker 4] (1:16:09 - 1:16:26) so I'll just summarise high level with all of that. It's a hundred and seventy four thousand dollar increase to revenue. Eighty two eighty two thousand five hundred dollar decrease to expense. And that'll get the anticipated excess levy use uh down just below one point five million. [Speaker 3] (1:16:27 - 1:16:30) Okay. What is the reasoning for the [Speaker 3] (1:16:30 - 1:16:33) uh the addition, the increase in revenue. [Speaker 1] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33) The cannabis? [Speaker 3] (1:16:34 - 1:16:34) Yep. [Speaker 4] (1:16:34 - 1:16:43) The cannabis, yes. So we looked at it uh we looked at the trends, the quarterly trends over the last four years, how things were coming in um [Speaker 4] (1:16:44 - 1:16:56) and it the trend is up enough that every the the committee felt that if we could justify the higher estimate. So we used last year's actual as the baseline rather than the three year average which was much lower because there's been an upward trend. [Speaker 1] (1:16:58 - 1:16:59) Just because revenue is high, Marianne? [Speaker 4] (1:17:00 - 1:17:00) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:17:01 - 1:17:01) Well, [Speaker 1] (1:17:04 - 1:17:05) You're all not guys. [Speaker 2] (1:17:05 - 1:17:07) nicely played, Flanagan. All right. [Speaker 1] (1:17:11 - 1:17:12) Is it I'm going home? [Speaker 2] (1:17:14 - 1:17:15) That was your mic drop. [Speaker 1] (1:17:15 - 1:17:15) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:17:16 - 1:17:17) I'm out. [Speaker 1] (1:17:18 - 1:17:21) All right. So given that recap, Patrick, thank you. [Speaker 1] (1:17:22 - 1:17:26) We think I'm forward to support. [Speaker 1] (1:17:26 - 1:17:26) So the [Speaker 1] (1:17:27 - 1:17:35) I think appropriate move here would be to take a vote to support the 2027 operating budget as listed in the warrant article four. [Speaker 7] (1:17:37 - 1:17:37) So moved. [Speaker 1] (1:17:39 - 1:17:40) Can I get a second? [Speaker 2] (1:17:43 - 1:17:44) I'll give a second, but I just wanna, [Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:45) Do you wanna discuss something? [Speaker 2] (1:17:45 - 1:17:46) yeah, a little bit more. [Speaker 2] (1:17:47 - 1:17:50) So this chart we had last time. [Speaker 1] (1:17:50 - 1:17:51) Was that the projections? [Speaker 2] (1:17:51 - 1:17:52) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:17:53 - 1:17:53) Long-range. [Speaker 2] (1:17:53 - 1:17:56) Had the unused levy one add [Speaker 2] (1:18:02 - 1:18:04) I'm pausing here, let's see. [Speaker 2] (1:18:04 - 1:18:09) When it shows unused levy, unused excess levy capacity for 2027, [Speaker 4] (1:18:09 - 1:18:10) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (1:18:11 - 1:18:15) that's at the end of the year or beginning of the year? [Speaker 4] (1:18:15 - 1:18:21) That's for FY 27 when we set our tax rate for FY 27. [Speaker 4] (1:18:22 - 1:18:30) The number in parenthesis there, that's that's the remaining excess levy that gets us through the year, yes. So going into twenty eight, that's what we would have had. [Speaker 2] (1:18:31 - 1:18:35) Going into twenty eight. So that's it that was at negative two point six million on here. [Speaker 4] (1:18:35 - 1:18:36) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:18:37 - 1:18:39) And didn't you just say one point five? [Speaker 4] (1:18:39 - 1:18:46) One point five. So you may be looking at the iteration of that, that is the original budget proposal before cuts, right? [Speaker 2] (1:18:46 - 1:18:49) I thought this was the one from last a meeting. [Speaker 2] (1:18:53 - 1:18:55) Why no, but we didn't take out a million but [Speaker 4] (1:18:55 - 1:19:02) Well that that the one point five is the use so remaining we would have two point two point nine almost [Speaker 2] (1:19:03 - 1:19:03) two point nine [Speaker 4] (1:19:03 - 1:19:03) Versus [Speaker 8] (1:19:03 - 1:19:04) There we what go. [Speaker 4] (1:19:04 - 1:19:05) we're looking at. That's what it is [Speaker 1] (1:19:05 - 1:19:05) on there. [Speaker 2] (1:19:06 - 1:19:06) Two point six [Speaker 1] (1:19:06 - 1:19:07) That's [Speaker 2] (1:19:07 - 1:19:07) and [Speaker 1] (1:19:07 - 1:19:07) the [Speaker 2] (1:19:07 - 1:19:07) they [Speaker 1] (1:19:07 - 1:19:07) change [Speaker 2] (1:19:07 - 1:19:07) improved it [Speaker 1] (1:19:07 - 1:19:07) up [Speaker 2] (1:19:07 - 1:19:08) by [Speaker 1] (1:19:08 - 1:19:08) for [Speaker 2] (1:19:08 - 1:19:08) three three hundred [Speaker 1] (1:19:08 - 1:19:08) hundred thousand. [Speaker 2] (1:19:08 - 1:19:08) thousand. [Speaker 1] (1:19:08 - 1:19:09) Yes, there it [Speaker 4] (1:19:09 - 1:19:09) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:19:09 - 1:19:10) is. [Speaker 2] (1:19:10 - 1:19:10) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:19:19 - 1:19:23) And the, we're down to average tax bill, do we know that number? [Speaker 4] (1:19:23 - 1:19:23) Yep. [Speaker 2] (1:19:23 - 1:19:35) Yep. So the proposal when it left you was at sixty seventy average um single family home tax increase, six hundred seventy dollars, now we're at six seventeen as proposed. [Speaker 3] (1:19:36 - 1:19:37) Six seventeen. [Speaker 3] (1:19:40 - 1:19:44) That is exclusive of C_P_I_ [Speaker 3] (1:19:45 - 1:19:46) What is C_P_I_ Doug? [Speaker 2] (1:19:50 - 1:19:50) What it would be? [Speaker 3] (1:19:51 - 1:19:51) Or CPI? [Speaker 1] (1:19:51 - 1:19:53) So is that inclusive or exclusive of that? [Speaker 4] (1:19:53 - 1:19:54) Exclusive. [Speaker 2] (1:19:54 - 1:19:58) It's the change exclusive of like that th the change in CPI. [Speaker 3] (1:19:58 - 1:20:02) Oh, it's the change 'cause C_P_I_ exc I mean C_P_A_ exists currently. So that's [Speaker 2] (1:20:02 - 1:20:02) Right. [Speaker 3] (1:20:02 - 1:20:02) the change. [Speaker 2] (1:20:02 - 1:20:04) So it'd be like another nine dollars. [Speaker 3] (1:20:04 - 1:20:05) Okay. Got it, got it. Sure. [Speaker 5] (1:20:07 - 1:20:10) So what's really important is that people understand that [Speaker 5] (1:20:11 - 1:20:15) even though we are not this is not called an override [Speaker 5] (1:20:16 - 1:20:31) We are actually doing an override without asking for permission, and because we have uh unused levy. So we had we used our unused levy last year. We're using unused levy this year. [Speaker 5] (1:20:33 - 1:20:36) And we'll probably going to have to use unused levy next year. [Speaker 5] (1:20:37 - 1:20:46) Um what I I just don't want people thinking well Marblehead has this override, what and we do, we are using unused levy and that's significant. [Speaker 2] (1:20:51 - 1:20:58) It it's the second year of deficit spending to that point with more on the horizon. I think that's the cleanest way to describe it. [Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:02) Yeah, I mean, I think we're benefiting, frankly, [Speaker 1] (1:21:02 - 1:21:06) from all the hard work that's been done for many, many years, right? [Speaker 5] (1:21:06 - 1:21:06) Yes, [Speaker 1] (1:21:06 - 1:21:07) The discipline [Speaker 5] (1:21:07 - 1:21:07) the [Speaker 1] (1:21:07 - 1:21:10) that went in from prior select boards, [Speaker 1] (1:21:10 - 1:21:11) prior town administrators, [Speaker 1] (1:21:11 - 1:21:13) prior finance committees, [Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:15) everybody, [Speaker 1] (1:21:15 - 1:21:19) you know, really has kind of created this piggy bank, [Speaker 1] (1:21:19 - 1:21:25) basically that we're leveraging right now and we're in so much better shape than so many other towns. [Speaker 1] (1:21:26 - 1:21:32) So, you know, a lot of thanks and kudos to all of those folks that have created this bridge for us. [Speaker 1] (1:21:33 - 1:21:46) And I mean, I'm reassured by the fact that at least what I understood the finance committee to say is that they had scrubbed and scrubbed and they felt like this was as far as they thought it was prudent to go at this point. [Speaker 1] (1:21:47 - 1:21:49) You know, you could always cut more. [Speaker 1] (1:21:49 - 1:21:50) I mean, we have not, [Speaker 1] (1:21:50 - 1:21:52) as far as I understand, [Speaker 1] (1:21:52 - 1:21:55) there's nothing in here cutting actually any individual position. [Speaker 1] (1:21:56 - 1:21:57) Anywhere in [Speaker 6] (1:21:57 - 1:21:57) Well, [Speaker 1] (1:21:57 - 1:21:57) the [Speaker 6] (1:21:57 - 1:21:57) there [Speaker 1] (1:21:57 - 1:21:57) Federal [Speaker 6] (1:21:57 - 1:21:57) are positions [Speaker 1] (1:21:57 - 1:21:59) Government, is that correct roughly? [Speaker 6] (1:21:59 - 1:22:12) that existed, so like public safety admin as an example, used to be two, it's now one. Public health nurse, it went from full-time to half-time, but the impact is not on an individual, it's currently employed. But it is, we have lowered the F_T_ count. [Speaker 1] (1:22:12 - 1:22:15) Okay, from current to this budget proposal. [Speaker 6] (1:22:16 - 1:22:16) Correct. [Speaker 6] (1:22:16 - 1:22:18) From F_ Y_ twenty six to F_ Y_ twenty seven, yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:22:18 - 1:22:19) Okay. [Speaker 7] (1:22:26 - 1:22:28) So are there other other revenue sources or [Speaker 1] (1:22:28 - 1:22:28) Oh [Speaker 7] (1:22:28 - 1:22:28) other streams [Speaker 1] (1:22:28 - 1:22:28) yeah, right. [Speaker 7] (1:22:28 - 1:22:30) that you might that you would like to mention? [Speaker 1] (1:22:30 - 1:22:30) Uh [Speaker 3] (1:22:30 - 1:22:32) I could tee that right up for him, David. [Speaker 3] (1:22:33 - 1:22:34) Did you guys practice? [Speaker 1] (1:22:36 - 1:22:41) No, but um I don't think it's gonna solve anything right now. But we do keep coming around to this parking thing. [Speaker 1] (1:22:42 - 1:22:52) And it would be, you know, as much as it's useful for me to say it now, I, again it's not gonna, I don't think there's any way that it's really gonna lead to anything for this. [Speaker 6] (1:22:53 - 1:22:54) for 2027's budget. [Speaker 7] (1:22:54 - 1:22:55) Mm-mm. [Speaker 6] (1:22:55 - 1:23:11) But what do we do to make that a live determined effort to, I think there was a very old parking study in 2018 and probably needs to be refreshed, but what do we do to [Speaker 1] (1:23:12 - 1:23:13) Not only for revenue, [Speaker 1] (1:23:13 - 1:23:31) but also for just good healthy, a little bit to Mary Ellen's point earlier about tickets and you know, making sure that we've got good management of that corridor. We can constantly have issues with parking and bottlenecks and everything on Humphrey. We want all this commercial development, [Speaker 1] (1:23:31 - 1:23:34) but we've gotta, we've gotta learn how to manage it. You know, I know we're a town, [Speaker 1] (1:23:35 - 1:23:38) but there's an element here that we have, it's kind of like a city. [Speaker 1] (1:23:38 - 1:23:48) Okay, especially on uh Humphrey Street, that we need to think about how that gets managed. And it's nice that I'm just saying it now and leaving it for someone else to figure out, but [Speaker 6] (1:23:48 - 1:23:48) No. [Speaker 1] (1:23:48 - 1:23:50) uh I'll be the bad guy if that helps. [Speaker 3] (1:23:50 - 1:23:53) Do you want to start a parking committee Doug? Oh, you'd like to chair? [Speaker 1] (1:23:53 - 1:23:53) No. [Speaker 6] (1:23:54 - 1:24:05) You you've mentioned before a meeting with Marzi and Ruben to discuss it both on the enforcement side and then looking at other communities and what they've done. One of the things that Marzi and I discussed we had a discussion without [Speaker 6] (1:24:05 - 1:24:17) uh sort of enforcement side is that she really wants to engage some of the business owners that were reaching out to us a little earlier this year on Humphrey Street so that it is not something that we just say we think this is a great idea [Speaker 7] (1:24:17 - 1:24:17) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (1:24:17 - 1:24:27) and don't get their feedback first. So we wanted to include them earlier. Uh so that's an initial step. It's also understanding costs around the parking podiums because it would be pay and display or [Speaker 6] (1:24:28 - 1:24:48) like completely web-based depending on what solution we go with and then thinking about it from a budgeting standpoint I think what we would probably end up doing is like a revolving account where we're paying for some capital for say the police if they're doing enforcement uh out of that as opposed to balancing or using it towards the operating budget because we [Speaker 6] (1:24:48 - 1:25:03) Certainly in the first year, but even over time there may be fluctuations in what we can anticipate in income for that based on economic com conditions that are far beyond our control. So we would try to focus it as a way to take some of the pressure off other capital expense. Um [Speaker 6] (1:25:03 - 1:25:30) in support of that enforcement, both there and to the discussion around Cedar Hill, it would be enforcement town-wide on resident parking and other things. It wouldn't be that we only ask for enforcement along that corridor between these two streets. It would be how can we make this something that, you know, the revenue from paying for parking goes to a place that we can use it and also encourages or allows for enforcement town-wide to to help with that circulation and make sure that folks in neighbourhoods where resident parking is an issue. [Speaker 6] (1:25:31 - 1:25:33) are also, you know, sort of addressed and supported as well. [Speaker 7] (1:25:34 - 1:25:57) Yeah, and I I mean I I think we can certainly, you know, while this won't impact the the fiscal year twenty seven budget, having these conversations now teed up over the course of the next three six nine months can get us ready for that next cycle whereby, you know, there may be the opportunity for the town to to bring in, you know, some additional revenue and utilizing that parking study which, you know, was from twenty eighteen. [Speaker 7] (1:25:59 - 1:26:07) You know, previous um business owners on the street had mentioned you know a lot of the same things that we're all seeing, which is you know the fact that [Speaker 7] (1:26:07 - 1:26:36) Tompkins Street sometimes is used for long-term parking. Those spaces don't open up. We've heard from Ms. Tapper who you know with the 350 Bakery who was who was mentioning that as well. There was just no parking because of snow and you know and and even with available spaces it was it was really difficult. So you know we certainly want to hear from our from our local businesses but I believe we've already heard from them in previous iterations. So I think [Speaker 7] (1:26:36 - 1:26:58) I think it's just updating that information. Now there are some new businesses, now there are some, you know, potentially some new challenges too. Um there's gonna be a hotel, uh there's gonna be redevelopment uh, you know, at the Hawthorne site. So I think um just making sure we're having these discussions um town-wide and really and really doing it in a in a comprehensive manner is is only gonna help uh, you know, benefit. [Speaker 7] (1:26:59 - 1:27:07) the Humphrey Street corridor and the town and the region moving forward. And I think we can generate some some revenue and and help our local businesses too. [Speaker 5] (1:27:07 - 1:27:10) Do you remember what the estimates were when you looked at it? [Speaker 7] (1:27:10 - 1:27:13) I think it was it was it was a six figure amount. Probably [Speaker 7] (1:27:14 - 1:27:23) 150 to 250 thousand dollars, depending on which estimates you used, whether it's six days or seven days, how many hours um the models that I've I've [Speaker 3] (1:27:23 - 1:27:24) So [Speaker 7] (1:27:24 - 1:27:25) circulated, I can recirculate. [Speaker 3] (1:27:25 - 1:27:27) did that take into account the capital investment though? [Speaker 7] (1:27:28 - 1:27:31) It was the capital investment per Marzi, I believe, was fairly low [Speaker 3] (1:27:31 - 1:27:31) Okay. [Speaker 7] (1:27:31 - 1:27:34) um if it was if it was a web-based. [Speaker 3] (1:27:35 - 1:27:49) Okay. Yeah, I guess um two things. One uh the commentary to Doug's commentary that we're a town with a city problem, we need to start s thinking like we live in a city and if you could walk there, you gotta walk there. Like we don't have a million places to park, we don't have parking garages because we don't want them. [Speaker 7] (1:27:49 - 1:27:49) No. [Speaker 3] (1:27:49 - 1:27:51) Um and so like you know [Speaker 3] (1:27:52 - 1:28:00) I am close enough that we walk down to dinner and we walk back and then we make sure that those spots are open for people who are not close enough. [Speaker 3] (1:28:00 - 1:28:04) So we have to start thinking more like that here in the community. [Speaker 3] (1:28:04 - 1:28:05) We're only three square miles. [Speaker 3] (1:28:05 - 1:28:07) There is, we have a great walkability. [Speaker 3] (1:28:07 - 1:28:12) We have a lot of great areas that can be pedestrian safe, [Speaker 3] (1:28:12 - 1:28:17) so we should continue to, you know, try to facilitate that and force that. [Speaker 3] (1:28:18 - 1:28:43) as a solution. I just I am I'm not sold on parking being a um paid parking being the right idea. I'm happy to look into it and very glad to see if that does end up being the case. But if we do can we please get an app that a surrounding town uses? Because like we have like 10 parking apps going on between all the towns and we I mean I get that it's web-based and you go with what's cheapest but it's like [Speaker 3] (1:28:44 - 1:28:46) Very annoying to have so many buttons. [Speaker 3] (1:28:47 - 1:28:49) Um, just as a personal [Speaker 1] (1:28:49 - 1:28:57) aside, It's the climate action folks that do that. They want to make it really difficult for people to drive and park. So they have to make very different ones to reach. [Speaker 3] (1:28:57 - 1:28:58) Dangerous. Dangerous. [Speaker 5] (1:28:58 - 1:29:08) You know, so just talking about parking, I brought this up with you before, the monsignor had offered the use, he um a year ago, a little bit more than a year ago, he [Speaker 5] (1:29:10 - 1:29:19) offered us to have the use of the parking lot behind um behind the church behind the church and over to the east side. [Speaker 2] (1:29:20 - 1:29:20) Um [Speaker 2] (1:29:20 - 1:29:20) d [Speaker 1] (1:29:21 - 1:29:39) And we have parking in the front. We have an agreement with the church to use the parking in the front. And I think we really should look into that and see if it's still open, because that will really help the um the businesses in that area and possibly some of the neighbours to get some parking in that little spot. [Speaker 3] (1:29:42 - 1:29:45) Yeah, people should also be parking at Hawthorne. [Speaker 4] (1:29:46 - 1:29:46) For now. [Speaker 3] (1:29:47 - 1:29:47) For now. [Speaker 3] (1:29:50 - 1:29:52) Alright, I think we are on to our do we vote? We vote? [Speaker 4] (1:29:52 - 1:29:53) There was a second, we [Speaker 3] (1:29:53 - 1:29:53) Oh, there [Speaker 4] (1:29:53 - 1:29:53) second. [Speaker 3] (1:29:53 - 1:30:00) was a second, now we have to vote. Okay, so all in favour of supporting article four of the budget as written in the warrant? [Speaker 4] (1:30:00 - 1:30:01) Aye. [Speaker 5] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01) Aye. [Speaker 3] (1:30:01 - 1:30:02) Aye. [Speaker 1] (1:30:02 - 1:30:11) So I'm a no. And I'm a no because I just can't support the budget with having close to half a million dollars sitting in a cushion account. [Speaker 1] (1:30:12 - 1:30:21) um what the school and that is that's their term not my term but I do support the level of the budget I just don't support [Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:23) cash sitting in accounts. So [Speaker 1] (1:30:24 - 1:30:26) budget is one thing, but not being able [Speaker 6] (1:30:26 - 1:30:26) to Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:30:26 - 1:30:29) support the budget with that cash is where I have my problem. [Speaker 3] (1:30:31 - 1:30:32) Okay. Thank you, Mary Ellen. [Speaker 1] (1:30:32 - 1:30:32) Oh. [Speaker 3] (1:30:33 - 1:30:35) Danielle, did you comment? I didn't hear you. You said [Speaker 1] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35) I [Speaker 3] (1:30:35 - 1:30:36) you were a yay, yes? [Speaker 1] (1:30:36 - 1:30:36) I'm sorry? [Speaker 3] (1:30:36 - 1:30:37) You were a yay, I didn't [Speaker 1] (1:30:37 - 1:30:37) No, [Speaker 3] (1:30:37 - 1:30:37) hear you. [Speaker 1] (1:30:37 - 1:30:39) I'm actually abstaining because [Speaker 3] (1:30:39 - 1:30:39) Oh, [Speaker 1] (1:30:39 - 1:30:39) I [Speaker 3] (1:30:39 - 1:30:39) okay. [Speaker 1] (1:30:39 - 1:30:40) had asked for [Speaker 1] (1:30:41 - 1:30:55) a certain piece of this to be broken out so that I didn't for anyone that doesn't know my wife is a public school teacher at the middle school, so I wanted the middle school salaries broken out of this so I could abstain from that piece. [Speaker 3] (1:30:55 - 1:30:55) Oh. [Speaker 1] (1:30:55 - 1:31:02) And so therefore I wouldn't have to vote on that and then I could go ahead and vote the overall budget, so I'm gonna abstain. [Speaker 3] (1:31:02 - 1:31:03) Okay. Thank you for clarity. [Speaker 1] (1:31:03 - 1:31:04) Sure. [Speaker 7] (1:31:04 - 1:31:05) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:31:05 - 1:31:07) So it's a three one one. [Speaker 3] (1:31:12 - 1:31:16) Uh whoever speaks to the set-down meeting can explain how we got there. [Speaker 3] (1:31:17 - 1:31:18) Doug, are you offering? [Speaker 8] (1:31:19 - 1:31:19) No, won't be there. [Speaker 8] (1:31:20 - 1:31:20) Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:31:21 - 1:31:31) Article five um this is the appropriation for the CPC, the Community Preservation Committee, um for fiscal year twenty seven. [Speaker 3] (1:31:33 - 1:31:35) This has not been voted on by FinCom? [Speaker 8] (1:31:36 - 1:31:38) I believe that is correct, right? This is this article [Speaker 9] (1:31:38 - 1:31:38) Article five [Speaker 8] (1:31:38 - 1:31:38) just [Speaker 9] (1:31:38 - 1:31:39) has not. [Speaker 3] (1:31:39 - 1:31:39) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:31:40 - 1:31:42) So we would do this one contingent as well. [Speaker 10] (1:31:42 - 1:31:47) But does income really have any say as to how these these funds are allocated? [Speaker 8] (1:31:47 - 1:31:47) No, [Speaker 10] (1:31:47 - 1:31:47) Or is that [Speaker 8] (1:31:47 - 1:31:48) and this [Speaker 10] (1:31:48 - 1:31:48) statutory? [Speaker 8] (1:31:48 - 1:31:50) is extremely pro forma [Speaker 3] (1:31:50 - 1:31:50) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:31:50 - 1:31:56) um as just for everyone's elucidation, I suppose, [Speaker 8] (1:31:56 - 1:32:01) um the the administrative expenses are uh as suggested by [Speaker 8] (1:32:01 - 1:32:15) The community preservation coalition, the group that works with all the different community preservation communities across the state. So that's their assessment of what should be set aside for administrative expenses. [Speaker 8] (1:32:15 - 1:32:21) And then there's just the very standard 10% set aside for historic, [Speaker 8] (1:32:21 - 1:32:29) for community housing and for open space, which each of those amount to $88,750. And then all the rest is basically reserved, [Speaker 8] (1:32:29 - 1:32:30) the other 70, [Speaker 8] (1:32:30 - 1:32:30) almost 70. [Speaker 8] (1:32:30 - 1:32:39) 70 percent uh for other uses tbd in the future as the community preservation committee works through its process so [Speaker 1] (1:32:39 - 1:32:39) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:32:39 - 1:32:49) he's really kind of setting up sub accounts um with the expect with the exception of the administrative expense nothing's being spent or recommended for any specific project right now [Speaker 10] (1:32:49 - 1:32:53) And that administrative expense is 5% of anticipated revenue. [Speaker 8] (1:32:54 - 1:32:55) That's exactly what it looks like. [Speaker 8] (1:32:56 - 1:32:56) Yes. [Speaker 3] (1:32:56 - 1:33:02) Oh, do you know what happens, and maybe somebody else who speaks this at a town meeting, but what happens if they don't spend the full expense? [Speaker 3] (1:33:03 - 1:33:04) Does it roll into another account? [Speaker 8] (1:33:04 - 1:33:05) On admin? [Speaker 3] (1:33:05 - 1:33:06) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:33:06 - 1:33:10) I assume it if it rolls forward. Um I [Speaker 8] (1:33:10 - 1:33:17) I don't think that's a requirement that it's spent, it's just kind of set up as an administrative So next year they only spend half of that, well [Speaker 3] (1:33:17 - 1:33:17) Yes. [Speaker 8] (1:33:17 - 1:33:19) then you wouldn't have to allocate as much [Speaker 3] (1:33:19 - 1:33:21) Okay, so it's not a requirement that five percent gets allocated, [Speaker 8] (1:33:21 - 1:33:21) No. [Speaker 3] (1:33:21 - 1:33:25) it's just the suggestion right now that we start the account at five percent. [Speaker 8] (1:33:25 - 1:33:25) Correct. [Speaker 3] (1:33:25 - 1:33:27) Okay, got it. Thank you for the clarity. [Speaker 10] (1:33:27 - 1:33:28) True. Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:33:28 - 1:33:36) Okay, so if there aren't any more questions, I think that given that these are highly regulated and part of the C_ [Speaker 3] (1:33:36 - 1:33:50) see the what is the community preservation coalition recommendations and not really although money-driven not FinCom related I feel comfortable with us taking a stance tonight if people agreed it would [Speaker 8] (1:33:50 - 1:33:50) Agreed. [Speaker 3] (1:33:50 - 1:33:54) entertain a motion to approve article five all [Speaker 8] (1:33:54 - 1:33:56) All right. So moved. [Speaker 10] (1:33:56 - 1:33:56) Second. [Speaker 3] (1:33:57 - 1:34:01) any more discussion all in favor say [Speaker 8] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01) Aye. [Speaker 10] (1:34:01 - 1:34:01) Aye. [Speaker 3] (1:34:01 - 1:34:02) aye very good [Speaker 3] (1:34:05 - 1:34:06) Um [Speaker 3] (1:34:08 - 1:34:30) and so we don't all sound shmaltzy at the end, I will again recognise Doug and David for the work on the C_P_A_ and you know this is just a small piece of it all coming to fruition and then from this we'll be able to actually allegate fu allocate funds and see action taken um and you know that will be in part large part due to the both of you, so I really appreciate that. [Speaker 8] (1:34:30 - 1:34:33) Well, it was a harmonious unanimous effort. [Speaker 3] (1:34:33 - 1:34:33) Yep. [Speaker 8] (1:34:34 - 1:34:34) Yes. [Speaker 3] (1:34:36 - 1:34:42) Alright, moving on to Article six, the revolving fund, amend the general bylaws for the revolving funds. [Speaker 3] (1:34:44 - 1:34:45) Does anybody wanna [Speaker 1] (1:34:45 - 1:34:53) I have a question on this. Is six fifty high enough for recreation with the amount of revenue that uh the new recreation director is bringing in? [Speaker 11] (1:34:54 - 1:35:09) So six fifty was what we arrived at based on conversations between myself and the rec director and we got the F_Y_ twenty six limit, we came before you and got that increased through the end of this fiscal year. Um and we went before FinCom and they also affirmed that. [Speaker 11] (1:35:10 - 1:35:19) So everyone was comfortable with that level. Recreation's not seeking a higher limit at this time, if for some reason programming wise, revenue wise, [Speaker 11] (1:35:19 - 1:35:23) If a higher limit was justified in the middle of the year, we could do a temporary increase again. [Speaker 1] (1:35:23 - 1:35:23) That is true. [Speaker 3] (1:35:25 - 1:35:39) Um this is not this not have to be answered tonight but just with rec and senior centre possibly sharing space at Clark, how like does the cost sharing work out? That doesn't have to be tonight but just [Speaker 8] (1:35:39 - 1:35:39) That's [Speaker 3] (1:35:39 - 1:35:39) wanted [Speaker 8] (1:35:39 - 1:35:43) something that I've spoken to Charlotte about trying to come up with something that seems reasonable. [Speaker 3] (1:35:44 - 1:35:44) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:35:44 - 1:35:45) Uh as of right now [Speaker 8] (1:35:46 - 1:35:49) It looks like there'll be some programming in one space that is dedicated. [Speaker 3] (1:35:49 - 1:35:49) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (1:35:49 - 1:35:53) And so it's a conversation I think she'll have with Heidi or with the future COA director. [Speaker 3] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54) Okay. [Speaker 12] (1:35:59 - 1:35:59) So moved. [Speaker 12] (1:36:01 - 1:36:02) Recommendation, Article six. [Speaker 3] (1:36:02 - 1:36:03) Does the board, article six? [Speaker 3] (1:36:05 - 1:36:05) Can I get a second? [Speaker 10] (1:36:05 - 1:36:06) Second. [Speaker 3] (1:36:07 - 1:36:09) Um this is sponsored by the [Speaker 3] (1:36:09 - 1:36:10) T-A? [Speaker 12] (1:36:10 - 1:36:11) This would be contingent. [Speaker 1] (1:36:11 - 1:36:13) This should be it should be sponsored by the select [Speaker 3] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13) It [Speaker 1] (1:36:13 - 1:36:13) board. [Speaker 3] (1:36:13 - 1:36:14) should be sponsored by the select board, yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:36:16 - 1:36:17) If you wouldn't mind updating that. [Speaker 12] (1:36:17 - 1:36:17) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:36:17 - 1:36:17) Yeah. [Speaker 12] (1:36:17 - 1:36:21) Yep. And this would also be contingent [Speaker 3] (1:36:21 - 1:36:24) Conditions upon the infant income supporting also? [Speaker 3] (1:36:25 - 1:36:26) Um, all in favor? [Speaker 1] (1:36:27 - 1:36:27) Aye. [Speaker 12] (1:36:27 - 1:36:27) Aye. [Speaker 3] (1:36:27 - 1:36:27) Aye. [Speaker 11] (1:36:27 - 1:36:28) Aye. [Speaker 3] (1:36:28 - 1:36:31) Okay, five-O, contingent upon income. [Speaker 3] (1:36:33 - 1:36:38) Okay, moving on to articles seven. [Speaker 3] (1:36:39 - 1:36:44) This is roadway improvements. Uh, this is a three hundred thousand dollar appropriation. [Speaker 3] (1:36:45 - 1:36:52) Four streets and this is for highway and traffic safety projects. [Speaker 12] (1:36:54 - 1:36:57) We can't name specific streets that we want done from here. [Speaker 3] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58) No, dad, [Speaker 3] (1:36:59 - 1:37:00) that might not be appropriate, [Speaker 3] (1:37:00 - 1:37:06) but I think everybody knows your wish that one of a section of one of those streets. [Speaker 12] (1:37:06 - 1:37:07) Essex Street. [Speaker 3] (1:37:07 - 1:37:11) Which is actually not where you live, so just to be clear. [Speaker 12] (1:37:11 - 1:37:13) I threw you a curveball there, didn't I? [Speaker 3] (1:37:13 - 1:37:16) You did not, never. Not in your tenure. [Speaker 3] (1:37:16 - 1:37:24) Um does anybody have questions for the town this one is also sponsored by the town administrator, but if the select board was [Speaker 10] (1:37:24 - 1:37:24) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:37:24 - 1:37:30) supportive, we could say it is sponsored by us. I don't think it has to be sponsored by you, does it? Next. [Speaker 10] (1:37:30 - 1:37:30) No. [Speaker 3] (1:37:30 - 1:37:30) No. [Speaker 3] (1:37:33 - 1:37:34) Speak now. [Speaker 3] (1:37:40 - 1:37:41) To get a motion? [Speaker 12] (1:37:42 - 1:37:42) And [Speaker 3] (1:37:42 - 1:37:42) Question? [Speaker 12] (1:37:42 - 1:37:42) could you, [Speaker 12] (1:37:45 - 1:37:53) why is this, we have money in capital for this too, why, why does this happen this way again? [Speaker 11] (1:37:54 - 1:37:59) So there's chapter ninety funding that we receive from the state, and that's what this article [Speaker 3] (1:37:59 - 1:38:01) That accepts the money from the [Speaker 12] (1:38:01 - 1:38:01) That's [Speaker 3] (1:38:01 - 1:38:01) state. [Speaker 12] (1:38:01 - 1:38:02) all it is, it's yep, a [Speaker 11] (1:38:02 - 1:38:05) it's it's appropriating the money 'cause that money is subject to [Speaker 1] (1:38:06 - 1:38:06) Appropriation. [Speaker 11] (1:38:06 - 1:38:08) Oh, that's how meeting unlike other grants. [Speaker 3] (1:38:10 - 1:38:11) So do you wanna give them back for the meeting day? [Speaker 12] (1:38:12 - 1:38:12) No. [Speaker 3] (1:38:14 - 1:38:16) I will entertain a motion then to uh [Speaker 3] (1:38:18 - 1:38:20) recommend favorable action on article seven. [Speaker 12] (1:38:22 - 1:38:22) So moved. [Speaker 3] (1:38:23 - 1:38:23) Second. [Speaker 1] (1:38:24 - 1:38:24) Second. [Speaker 3] (1:38:25 - 1:38:25) All in favor? [Speaker 1] (1:38:26 - 1:38:26) Aye. [Speaker 10] (1:38:26 - 1:38:26) Aye. [Speaker 11] (1:38:26 - 1:38:26) Aye. [Speaker 3] (1:38:26 - 1:38:27) Aye. [Speaker 3] (1:38:27 - 1:38:27) I [Speaker 3] (1:38:29 - 1:38:30) Guys, don't be shy. Now's the time. [Speaker 12] (1:38:32 - 1:38:32) I was getting tired. [Speaker 3] (1:38:32 - 1:38:33) I know. [Speaker 3] (1:38:34 - 1:38:40) article eight which is the authorization of to amend the authorization of capital projects [Speaker 8] (1:38:45 - 1:38:49) This was language that we had in previously to reprogram money that had been at [Speaker 3] (1:38:49 - 1:38:49) Place building? [Speaker 8] (1:38:50 - 1:38:50) Yeah, [Speaker 3] (1:38:50 - 1:38:50) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (1:38:50 - 1:38:56) that had been last year was the I think designed for the library and the basement of town hall was moved for for old. [Speaker 8] (1:38:57 - 1:39:03) Um so it's a placeholder right now. There may not be anything like in fact at this point I don't believe there will be anything, but [Speaker 3] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03) Okay. [Speaker 8] (1:39:03 - 1:39:08) it's a placeholder that was in the the warrant going backwards. [Speaker 3] (1:39:08 - 1:39:10) Okay, so I guess we'll skip that and if [Speaker 3] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11) Something, if decides [Speaker 10] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11) Yep. [Speaker 3] (1:39:11 - 1:39:13) if he gets placed, will report a town meeting. [Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:17) Article nine which is [Speaker 3] (1:39:17 - 1:39:18) Well at this point though, if we're approving [Speaker 1] (1:39:18 - 1:39:18) a new [Speaker 3] (1:39:18 - 1:39:18) this [Speaker 1] (1:39:18 - 1:39:18) warrant. [Speaker 3] (1:39:18 - 1:39:20) tonight, that's it, right? [Speaker 1] (1:39:20 - 1:39:21) Yeah, I guess it's your point. [Speaker 3] (1:39:21 - 1:39:21) Okay. [Speaker 2] (1:39:21 - 1:39:22) Then what was [Speaker 4] (1:39:23 - 1:39:34) So like a change would be something like the coloured sheets where like uh d an amendment needs to be done at town meeting, where we pass it out and so you know the rose-coloured sheet is [Speaker 3] (1:39:34 - 1:39:34) So y [Speaker 4] (1:39:34 - 1:39:34) the amended [Speaker 3] (1:39:34 - 1:39:38) so you're act you're suggesting we keep this article eight as a blank? [Speaker 1] (1:39:38 - 1:39:39) I [Speaker 4] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39) It [Speaker 1] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39) wouldn't [Speaker 4] (1:39:39 - 1:39:45) was closed, it was closed already with it in there. So yes, I would keep it in there and we can either indefinitely postpone it [Speaker 5] (1:39:45 - 1:39:46) Select board to report at town [Speaker 4] (1:39:46 - 1:39:46) or [Speaker 5] (1:39:46 - 1:39:47) closed. [Speaker 4] (1:39:47 - 1:39:47) yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:39:47 - 1:39:48) Yeah, we just switched yep. [Speaker 1] (1:39:50 - 1:39:53) So we will just indefinitely postpone it if it has no substance, [Speaker 1] (1:39:53 - 1:39:56) which currently it does not. [Speaker 6] (1:39:57 - 1:39:57) Huh. [Speaker 5] (1:39:58 - 1:39:58) Okay. [Speaker 1] (1:39:59 - 1:40:00) You don't like it that way? [Speaker 6] (1:40:01 - 1:40:02) No, I think that's the only way we can do it. I just think [Speaker 1] (1:40:02 - 1:40:03) No, I mean [Speaker 6] (1:40:03 - 1:40:07) in the future I'd rather not close the warrant until we're finished with everything. [Speaker 1] (1:40:09 - 1:40:18) I think there's benefits to both ways. And we post town meeting we should talk about the strategy going forward because it's a little bit more fulfilling now to to [Speaker 1] (1:40:21 - 1:40:31) To have certainty and not be rushing to a meeting pre uh right before town meeting, which sometimes we have to do, right. So there's we're forcing ourselves to be a little bit more [Speaker 3] (1:40:33 - 1:40:34) Discipline. [Speaker 1] (1:40:34 - 1:40:36) disciplined. Thank you, Judge. That's the word. [Speaker 1] (1:40:37 - 1:40:50) Article nine is for appropriation of twenty twenty seven recommended capital projects. Again, this was voted uh you're gonna tell me what changed, 'cause I know something did. And then FinCom did vote to support it, so. [Speaker 1] (1:40:51 - 1:40:52) Go ahead Patrick. [Speaker 7] (1:40:52 - 1:41:16) Yes. Um so there were two changes made by Finance Committee on Thursday to the recommended capital plan. Uh one was to um remove funding for a design of a solar canopy at the high school. And the other change was to remove funding for uh equipping the middle school and high school gyms with like a V_ um projector screen. [Speaker 7] (1:41:16 - 1:41:28) speakers so the design for solar canopy was three hundred thousand dollars 150,000 of which would have been grant funded and the A_V_ equipment was two hundred [Speaker 7] (1:41:30 - 1:41:31) thousand. [Speaker 1] (1:41:32 - 1:41:32) Two hundred thousand. [Speaker 7] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (1:41:33 - 1:41:37) So were s so the so the recommendation was to give up grant funding [Speaker 5] (1:41:38 - 1:41:40) or to give up matching funds? [Speaker 7] (1:41:40 - 1:41:42) They decided not to recommend it. [Speaker 7] (1:41:43 - 1:41:49) With the information they had at their meeting on Thursday and if other information reveals itself regarding return on investment, [Speaker 7] (1:41:50 - 1:41:53) then they would amend their recommendation before town meeting. [Speaker 3] (1:41:53 - 1:41:59) And they were aware of our, I believe, 5-0 vote to support it last time. [Speaker 1] (1:42:02 - 1:42:07) Patrick cannot opine on what they are actively aware of, but I would assume that since we did [Speaker 5] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07) Oh, [Speaker 1] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07) discuss [Speaker 5] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07) was it [Speaker 1] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07) so in [Speaker 5] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07) discussed? [Speaker 1] (1:42:07 - 1:42:08) public. [Speaker 7] (1:42:09 - 1:42:12) I apologize, I did not reiterate the board's vote to the committee in our meeting Thursday. [Speaker 4] (1:42:12 - 1:42:13) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:42:14 - 1:42:25) On the question of additional information, we met with Max today, and Max has already provided Patrick and I with more information on the time for break-even and with sort of the largest size considered, [Speaker 4] (1:42:25 - 1:42:27) and then obviously you could... [Speaker 4] (1:42:27 - 1:42:44) lower the size of the project and still get the green communities climate leaders money towards it so we will have more information for them for Thursday I don't know where I can't speak on where they'll land but part of what they asked for was what we sat down with Max about this morning and he put it together already [Speaker 3] (1:42:44 - 1:42:46) So what's the upshot of that? [Speaker 3] (1:42:47 - 1:42:52) Does it look as though there's a reasonable return on investment to it or [Speaker 4] (1:42:53 - 1:42:58) There appears to be a reasonable return on investment that they can share their opinion on whether they agree [Speaker 3] (1:42:58 - 1:42:59) No, I'm not asking [Speaker 4] (1:42:59 - 1:42:59) with that. [Speaker 3] (1:42:59 - 1:43:00) for the finance committee's. I'm [Speaker 1] (1:43:00 - 1:43:00) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (1:43:00 - 1:43:01) just asking like, you know, does the math [Speaker 4] (1:43:01 - 1:43:02) Yeah, [Speaker 3] (1:43:02 - 1:43:02) math, [Speaker 4] (1:43:02 - 1:43:02) and [Speaker 3] (1:43:02 - 1:43:02) you know. [Speaker 4] (1:43:02 - 1:43:09) Max's whole idea was if we start with a project that is of sort of the larger size discussed with a potential vendor, [Speaker 4] (1:43:09 - 1:43:12) which was consigli, were the ones that we talked to a little bit about this, [Speaker 4] (1:43:12 - 1:43:15) we can then sort of downsize the project. [Speaker 4] (1:43:16 - 1:43:34) still get a benefit, not as large a benefit, but make sure that the return time is something that sounds reasonable to uh fin con and anyone else who would wanna opine on it. And so that's that's the information we want to share with them so that they can make an ev make a decision that might be more informed than it would have been last week. [Speaker 1] (1:43:35 - 1:43:41) Could somebody just clarify with me, is the grant funding matching or is it 150,000? [Speaker 4] (1:43:41 - 1:43:45) I believe it's up to a hundred and fifty from green communities for technical assistance. [Speaker 4] (1:43:45 - 1:43:47) And so But it [Speaker 1] (1:43:47 - 1:43:47) match? [Speaker 4] (1:43:47 - 1:43:47) does not [Speaker 1] (1:43:47 - 1:43:47) Like [Speaker 4] (1:43:47 - 1:43:47) require [Speaker 1] (1:43:47 - 1:43:48) we have to match? [Speaker 4] (1:43:48 - 1:43:48) a match. [Speaker 1] (1:43:48 - 1:43:49) Oh, okay, great. [Speaker 3] (1:43:50 - 1:43:52) I thought it would cost more than that. [Speaker 1] (1:43:52 - 1:43:57) Right. So I'm saying like if we downside the project, then the ask from the town is smaller, [Speaker 1] (1:43:57 - 1:44:00) but the grant is the same is all I'm trying to get at. [Speaker 4] (1:44:00 - 1:44:02) Our request would stay the same, yes. [Speaker 4] (1:44:02 - 1:44:13) And what one of the topics that we talked about with Max was the idea that there were a lot of moving pieces in design beyond simply saying we want to know where to put conduit and exactly where the footings should be. [Speaker 1] (1:44:13 - 1:44:13) Hmm. [Speaker 4] (1:44:13 - 1:44:31) And so we were trying to narrow what the design would be, and some of it is things that really reasonably could be field engineered. Um in terms of if there's changes to islands or changes to the front entrance, you know, do we do we need to make changes or can we just do sort of rip and replace on things that need to be fixed because they're twenty plus years old. So [Speaker 4] (1:44:32 - 1:44:42) Max was considering that feedback as well as as an idea to limit the overall design cost and to focus as much of the design cost as possible on the canopy and less on [Speaker 4] (1:44:42 - 1:44:50) you know where the sidewalk will be when we could have someone field engineer it that's there as a resident engineer for basically or whoever we may hire to do the work. [Speaker 1] (1:44:51 - 1:44:56) Is there a national [Speaker 1] (1:44:59 - 1:45:02) grid element to this project? [Speaker 4] (1:45:03 - 1:45:04) From a funding standpoint, [Speaker 4] (1:45:04 - 1:45:05) not [Speaker 1] (1:45:05 - 1:45:05) No, [Speaker 4] (1:45:05 - 1:45:05) that I'm currently [Speaker 1] (1:45:05 - 1:45:05) not [Speaker 4] (1:45:05 - 1:45:05) aware [Speaker 1] (1:45:05 - 1:45:05) a funding [Speaker 4] (1:45:05 - 1:45:06) that [Speaker 1] (1:45:06 - 1:45:06) standpoint. [Speaker 4] (1:45:06 - 1:45:07) it can be supported. [Speaker 1] (1:45:07 - 1:45:17) That, so we haven't had success on solar canopy projects in the past because of National Grid's inability to partner with us to get certain information, [Speaker 1] (1:45:17 - 1:45:19) or certain, I don't [Speaker 4] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19) know, To [Speaker 1] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19) I'm going [Speaker 4] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19) support [Speaker 1] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19) to sound dumb [Speaker 4] (1:45:19 - 1:45:20) the transmission [Speaker 1] (1:45:20 - 1:45:20) here because I don't actually, [Speaker 5] (1:45:20 - 1:45:21) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:45:21 - 1:45:21) right? [Speaker 1] (1:45:22 - 1:45:22) So, [Speaker 3] (1:45:22 - 1:45:22) Takes [Speaker 1] (1:45:22 - 1:45:22) yeah, [Speaker 3] (1:45:22 - 1:45:23) a long time. [Speaker 1] (1:45:23 - 1:45:29) it takes a long time and we end up getting into this pickle of not being able to execute because of National Grid's stagnation. [Speaker 4] (1:45:29 - 1:45:35) As I understand where why we landed at this project was the fact that they do have capacity to support it [Speaker 1] (1:45:35 - 1:45:35) Okay. [Speaker 4] (1:45:35 - 1:45:55) here whereas the parking canopy would be too much generation at the elementary school. And for approximately five years which in dealing with a utility might it's five utility years which is more years for us in reality that they don't anticipate having the ability to handle that generation at that location. [Speaker 4] (1:45:56 - 1:46:15) I can safely, I believe, has had at least initial conversations on all the locations that we were considering it. And this is one that can be supported. It was also one of the things that Max wanted us to highlight for FinCom is that without this we start to get into a very narrow window of things that climate leaders could be put towards in town because of the work that, you know, similar to the excess levy, [Speaker 4] (1:46:15 - 1:46:22) a lot of work has been done over time with a lot of green communities funding and grid money and everywhere else. [Speaker 4] (1:46:23 - 1:46:29) So we have a narrow window of potential projects and this is one of them that would best be suited for that climate leaders money. [Speaker 3] (1:46:30 - 1:46:32) And on that front, [Speaker 3] (1:46:32 - 1:46:42) did we include like $1.6 million in the capital budget last year for the elementary school canopy? [Speaker 5] (1:46:44 - 1:46:44) That [Speaker 3] (1:46:44 - 1:46:44) Was [Speaker 5] (1:46:44 - 1:46:44) was, [Speaker 3] (1:46:44 - 1:46:45) some [Speaker 5] (1:46:45 - 1:46:45) wait. [Speaker 3] (1:46:45 - 1:46:47) document I saw where it was in there at one point. [Speaker 3] (1:46:47 - 1:46:48) Was that part of the final? [Speaker 7] (1:46:48 - 1:46:55) It was part of the plan and it was intended for FY27 and at the beginning of this process it came off because of the national [Speaker 3] (1:46:55 - 1:46:55) Okay. [Speaker 7] (1:46:55 - 1:46:55) grid. [Speaker 3] (1:46:55 - 1:46:57) So it wasn't part of the 2026 approved. [Speaker 7] (1:46:57 - 1:46:58) No, [Speaker 7] (1:46:58 - 1:46:59) that, no. [Speaker 3] (1:46:59 - 1:46:59) Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:47:00 - 1:47:00) Okay. [Speaker 6] (1:47:01 - 1:47:09) So I have a question. What happens as we're going through the process with the new solid waste? [Speaker 6] (1:47:09 - 1:47:13) Contract and we need to pick up the bill for new bins [Speaker 7] (1:47:16 - 1:47:29) There's a couple different ways you could fund that. You could amend the capital plan and put funding in there, or you could include it in the solid waste operating budget in the enterprise fund. [Speaker 6] (1:47:31 - 1:47:33) I don't see how that number would fit [Speaker 7] (1:47:33 - 1:47:33) And [Speaker 6] (1:47:33 - 1:47:34) into [Speaker 7] (1:47:34 - 1:47:34) it's [Speaker 6] (1:47:34 - 1:47:34) the, into [Speaker 7] (1:47:34 - 1:47:35) a one time cost, [Speaker 6] (1:47:35 - 1:47:35) that budget. [Speaker 7] (1:47:35 - 1:47:40) so you could look at other funding sources such as free cash to cover that budgetary hit. [Speaker 6] (1:47:41 - 1:47:47) I think based on our free cash numbers and what the anticipation would be for those bins, I don't think that's an option either. [Speaker 6] (1:47:47 - 1:48:00) So I actually think that we need to bring this to the attention of the Finance Committee and start to talk about the possibilities. Because I think my concern is if we have to bring on through capital [Speaker 6] (1:48:01 - 1:48:02) New bins. [Speaker 6] (1:48:04 - 1:48:12) My worry is how will it affect what we're looking for right now, and especially getting the track repaired. [Speaker 3] (1:48:13 - 1:48:16) Wasn't there something about being able to delay? [Speaker 3] (1:48:16 - 1:48:23) I want to come back to the the canopy thing, but um wasn't there something about being able to delay the the they could phase it in [Speaker 1] (1:48:23 - 1:48:24) Yeah, the automation. [Speaker 3] (1:48:24 - 1:48:25) the autom the automation for [Speaker 1] (1:48:25 - 1:48:26) Wait. [Speaker 4] (1:48:26 - 1:48:32) We are we're still at the at the process and Mary Ellen feel free to correct me if I'm wrong from the meeting that occurred last week. [Speaker 4] (1:48:32 - 1:48:40) There has not been a final recommendation from the Solid Waste Advisory Committee on either of the two respondents that we are looking at. [Speaker 4] (1:48:41 - 1:48:48) So the question of delaying could actually incur additional costs because we're paying additional money for manual. [Speaker 4] (1:48:48 - 1:48:54) And so the idea would be we'd want to get too fully automatic as quickly as possible to limit that additional expense. [Speaker 4] (1:48:54 - 1:48:56) Patrick and I did talk a little bit today, [Speaker 4] (1:48:56 - 1:49:08) Mary Ellen, to the point you're raising about opportunities and ways that we could potentially pay for it. I mean, it's certainly a part of any discussion that we need to have going forward. And as soon as we make that final determination, enter into negotiation, [Speaker 4] (1:49:08 - 1:49:09) we do not want to [Speaker 1] (1:49:13 - 1:49:15) the vendors make [Speaker 2] (1:49:15 - 1:49:15) Right. [Speaker 1] (1:49:15 - 1:49:25) some money off that as well we just want to pay for them and get them um and we do have the benefit of the fact we already have the the solid waste barrels it's a recycling thing for right now so [Speaker 1] (1:49:26 - 1:49:35) It's a question that we have not yet answered, and we're happy to continue to work with you and report back to the board as we get closer to a final vendor choice and then get through the negotiation process. [Speaker 3] (1:49:37 - 1:49:43) I think we just have to really keep all our variables open and know that there's a there's a time there's a time issue here. [Speaker 3] (1:49:44 - 1:50:07) Well, it would be really helpful if we had known anything about the trash contract or potential before we got to this point where we're this close to town meeting and the budget. It would have been helpful to know some of this ahead of time if this is a concern. Or where this concern is coming from if Nick is saying there's not at this point because nothing is really decided, what what actually is the situation. [Speaker 1] (1:50:07 - 1:50:08) There will be an expense. [Speaker 1] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09) And [Speaker 4] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:50:09 - 1:50:09) so [Speaker 3] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11) But [Speaker 1] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11) Go ahead. [Speaker 3] (1:50:11 - 1:50:16) how how much how we're going to pay for it, whether it can be delayed, all of that is still undecided. [Speaker 1] (1:50:17 - 1:50:17) Correct. [Speaker 3] (1:50:17 - 1:50:21) Well, they've just answered the R_F_P_ just went out within [Speaker 3] (1:50:22 - 1:50:23) I don't think uh [Speaker 5] (1:50:23 - 1:50:23) it just [Speaker 3] (1:50:23 - 1:50:23) three weeks. [Speaker 5] (1:50:23 - 1:50:24) a month, [Speaker 3] (1:50:24 - 1:50:24) A month ago. [Speaker 5] (1:50:24 - 1:50:27) month ago, and their responses came back [Speaker 3] (1:50:27 - 1:50:28) The responses are now [Speaker 5] (1:50:28 - 1:50:28) two weeks? [Speaker 1] (1:50:28 - 1:50:29) We've had the responses for [Speaker 3] (1:50:29 - 1:50:30) Two [Speaker 1] (1:50:30 - 1:50:30) three [Speaker 3] (1:50:30 - 1:50:30) weeks. [Speaker 1] (1:50:30 - 1:50:30) weeks. [Speaker 5] (1:50:30 - 1:50:31) Three weeks. [Speaker 3] (1:50:31 - 1:50:31) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 3] (1:50:32 - 1:50:38) Right, so I I don't want to make people fearful of something we haven't even found out yet. [Speaker 3] (1:50:38 - 1:50:42) Right, but I mean if there was a conversation to be had before we looked at all of these, [Speaker 3] (1:50:42 - 1:50:52) before we recommended changes to capital and everything else, I mean I really we think we should have done that weeks ago if that was such a dire situation. [Speaker 1] (1:50:54 - 1:51:04) I per m per my standpoint with the feedback from Solid Waste Advisory, we meet again on Thursday. I think Patrick and I are more than happy to come to you all with a recommendation that you can [Speaker 1] (1:51:04 - 1:51:10) Thumbs up, thumbs down, tell us to rework things about ways that we're comfortable trying to pay for it. [Speaker 6] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10) Sure. [Speaker 3] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:51:10 - 1:51:11) Yep. [Speaker 1] (1:51:11 - 1:51:13) And we can go from there if that works. [Speaker 6] (1:51:15 - 1:51:16) I have a different question on that. [Speaker 6] (1:51:18 - 1:51:20) You have the bids, correct? [Speaker 6] (1:51:21 - 1:51:27) How does that, does that comport with what's here and the solid waste enterprise? [Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28) It will be higher. [Speaker 1] (1:51:30 - 1:51:38) It will be slightly higher, and we will have to address that. But we have not to the a point that you made earlier on, we will enter into negotiations with one of the two vendors. [Speaker 1] (1:51:39 - 1:51:45) So I would I would like to be able to have those discussions with them and come to you with a recommendation as opposed to [Speaker 7] (1:51:46 - 1:51:46) Pab [Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:47) There [Speaker 7] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47) and gown? [Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:52:02) was concern at one point that you thought the number I was providing was too high and needed to be lowered in our sort of working document and budget uh proposed budget. So if we could con conclude the negotiations and come back to the select board with the number, I think that puts us in the best position to negotiate right now. [Speaker 3] (1:52:02 - 1:52:03) Yep. [Speaker 7] (1:52:03 - 1:52:03) Yep. [Speaker 6] (1:52:03 - 1:52:04) Yep. [Speaker 6] (1:52:04 - 1:52:04) 'Kay. [Speaker 1] (1:52:04 - 1:52:05) Okay. [Speaker 3] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05) Great. [Speaker 6] (1:52:08 - 1:52:09) Okay, can we go back to [Speaker 7] (1:52:09 - 1:52:11) To yeah, let's go back to the [Speaker 6] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11) the canopy? [Speaker 7] (1:52:11 - 1:52:13) um canopy. Sure, let's do that. [Speaker 6] (1:52:13 - 1:52:14) Okay, I'm gonna [Speaker 6] (1:52:15 - 1:52:16) Shockingly. [Speaker 7] (1:52:16 - 1:52:17) So sorry can we [Speaker 7] (1:52:18 - 1:52:19) what [Speaker 3] (1:52:19 - 1:52:19) Yep. [Speaker 7] (1:52:19 - 1:52:22) what was the change because this doesn't reflect the change right? [Speaker 3] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22) No. [Speaker 8] (1:52:23 - 1:52:26) The two changes that were made at their meeting Thursday are not reflected, right? [Speaker 7] (1:52:26 - 1:52:29) So what is the solar canopy they reduced it to it? [Speaker 6] (1:52:29 - 1:52:29) I [Speaker 8] (1:52:29 - 1:52:30) They [Speaker 6] (1:52:30 - 1:52:30) pushed [Speaker 8] (1:52:30 - 1:52:30) removed [Speaker 6] (1:52:30 - 1:52:30) it out. [Speaker 8] (1:52:30 - 1:52:31) the 3500 [Speaker 7] (1:52:31 - 1:52:31) Oh they pushed it out. [Speaker 8] (1:52:31 - 1:52:31) and [Speaker 7] (1:52:31 - 1:52:32) I'm sorry [Speaker 8] (1:52:32 - 1:52:32) yep. [Speaker 7] (1:52:32 - 1:52:36) I got so distracted by trash and what was the second change? [Speaker 8] (1:52:37 - 1:52:40) Middle school, high school gym technology after it was also removed. [Speaker 7] (1:52:41 - 1:52:41) Okay, which is [Speaker 8] (1:52:41 - 1:52:46) That's a hundred and fifty thousand. I think I said two hundred earlier. So I'll correct myself. [Speaker 1] (1:52:47 - 1:52:59) And then the one piece that I want to add that we were going to share with finance on Thursday, I I spoke to the superintendent today and based on the the broad support for the letter of interest on the MSBA letter [Speaker 1] (1:53:00 - 1:53:18) There's two hundred thousand in here. It's basically to create an additional classroom within the space that exists at the middle school that he's, you know, hopeful that it's beneficial to the whole community in making sure that other priorities such as the track and and trash and everything else are funded to push that out as well. So that's another two hundred that would come off this year. [Speaker 7] (1:53:18 - 1:53:19) So that's number thirty [Speaker 3] (1:53:19 - 1:53:19) Which one is that? [Speaker 7] (1:53:19 - 1:53:20) thirty nine. [Speaker 1] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21) It is [Speaker 7] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21) Class middle [Speaker 1] (1:53:21 - 1:53:22) number thirty nine. [Speaker 7] (1:53:22 - 1:53:22) school classroom. [Speaker 1] (1:53:22 - 1:53:23) Yes. [Speaker 1] (1:53:24 - 1:53:24) Middle [Speaker 3] (1:53:24 - 1:53:24) So which [Speaker 1] (1:53:24 - 1:53:26) school classroom space improvements and needs. [Speaker 7] (1:53:27 - 1:53:33) Okay, so it's thirty three thirty nine and wha what is the one that Patrick is uh talking about, the secondary one? Oh technology, [Speaker 8] (1:53:33 - 1:53:34) Fifty six. [Speaker 7] (1:53:34 - 1:53:35) I erased fifty six, thank you. [Speaker 8] (1:53:35 - 1:53:36) Fifty six, yep. [Speaker 1] (1:53:39 - 1:53:41) And just to give the full background, [Speaker 1] (1:53:41 - 1:53:46) the idea with the middle school classroom space is, you know, we're moving forward with MSBA, [Speaker 1] (1:53:46 - 1:53:48) assuming we continue to move in that process. [Speaker 1] (1:53:49 - 1:53:57) That to him is a sort of something we would like to do if we don't think we're moving on from that building whereas the windows are a must, you know, like [Speaker 3] (1:53:57 - 1:53:57) Right. [Speaker 7] (1:53:58 - 1:53:58) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (1:53:58 - 1:54:03) It's a sort of environment and safety thing for that whereas this was additional space that they were trying to squeeze out of the building. [Speaker 9] (1:54:07 - 1:54:09) Can I ask a question about sixty three? [Speaker 7] (1:54:10 - 1:54:11) Sixty three. [Speaker 7] (1:54:12 - 1:54:14) Sewer main rehabilitation. [Speaker 9] (1:54:14 - 1:54:14) So [Speaker 9] (1:54:15 - 1:54:23) So is that, is sixty three, the three and a half million dollars, is that for phase two B or not to be? [Speaker 9] (1:54:24 - 1:54:26) Is is that is that phase two B? [Speaker 7] (1:54:28 - 1:54:30) I thought phase two B was funded. [Speaker 8] (1:54:31 - 1:54:32) I'm not sure. [Speaker 8] (1:54:33 - 1:54:34) Safe for certain. [Speaker 6] (1:54:34 - 1:54:36) And is this an S_R_F_ loan? [Speaker 6] (1:54:38 - 1:54:41) So that's the amounts that we were doing for S_R_F_s. [Speaker 8] (1:54:42 - 1:54:46) So the authorization that was made at last town meeting, [Speaker 8] (1:54:46 - 1:54:49) we are receiving an SRF loan for. [Speaker 8] (1:54:49 - 1:54:51) So this would be another tranche beyond that [Speaker 6] (1:54:51 - 1:54:51) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (1:54:51 - 1:54:52) if that helps. [Speaker 9] (1:54:53 - 1:54:53) Okay. [Speaker 7] (1:54:53 - 1:55:02) So we it could be an SRF loan if we applied and we're accepted but we would allocate 3.5 million regardless [Speaker 7] (1:55:02 - 1:55:05) It's borrowing, but hopefully through that mechanism. [Speaker 9] (1:55:05 - 1:55:06) Yeah, Yeah, whether we [Speaker 8] (1:55:06 - 1:55:06) we [Speaker 9] (1:55:06 - 1:55:06) whether [Speaker 8] (1:55:06 - 1:55:06) would qualify [Speaker 9] (1:55:06 - 1:55:07) it's an SRF [Speaker 8] (1:55:07 - 1:55:07) or not. [Speaker 9] (1:55:07 - 1:55:10) at 2% or whether we're going to use our triple A bond rating [Speaker 7] (1:55:10 - 1:55:11) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (1:55:11 - 1:55:13) hopefully it's an SRF loan at 2%. [Speaker 6] (1:55:13 - 1:55:15) I'll be happy to get up and diagram it. [Speaker 7] (1:55:15 - 1:55:17) We d uh you didn't bring your markers today. [Speaker 9] (1:55:17 - 1:55:18) There's there's some right there [Speaker 9] (1:55:19 - 1:55:25) Um just so just additionally on that on 63 um [Speaker 9] (1:55:27 - 1:55:54) So let's, let's say this is, this is part of the next phase of work for Stacy's Brook. You know, we heard last week that you know, that there were a number of, there were a number of laterals, five hundred in in total that were, you know, that were funded and rehabilitated using public dollars. So we had public dollars used for private [Speaker 9] (1:55:56 - 1:56:18) Laterals. Last week we had asked uh the town administrator uh to uh to look into you know just how that can be how that can be addressed moving forward because what we did here last week was another four or five hundred laterals could potentially require fixing. And from the conversation that we had last week it was about six thousand dollars per lateral. [Speaker 9] (1:56:19 - 1:56:22) So just the math doesn't really math to me. [Speaker 9] (1:56:23 - 1:56:40) Because of this three and a half million dollars potentially if we're if we're going to continue with what we've done before, which I I don't i I p public benefit or not, I don't think we can just spend public dollars on private property. But how do we pay for this moving forward? [Speaker 9] (1:56:41 - 1:56:49) Because we don't have the cash, we don't have the money to pay for another five hundred laterals and reline all of our [Speaker 9] (1:56:50 - 1:56:53) all of our sewer pipes that need to be rehabilitated. [Speaker 9] (1:56:53 - 1:57:09) So I I just need to have some understanding here. Uh otherwise I can't support that particular line because I c be because the town can simply not afford to have to pick up the tab for fixing another four or five hundred laterals. [Speaker 1] (1:57:13 - 1:57:14) Is there a question? [Speaker 9] (1:57:14 - 1:57:15) Yeah, how do? Yeah, so [Speaker 3] (1:57:15 - 1:57:16) Yeah. [Speaker 9] (1:57:16 - 1:57:18) we yeah, the question the question is [Speaker 9] (1:57:19 - 1:57:27) The question was, last week we had asked we had asked to see if there were to see if there was a process by which we [Speaker 6] (1:57:28 - 1:57:28) Would [Speaker 3] (1:57:28 - 1:57:28) The be Yeah. [Speaker 6] (1:57:28 - 1:57:29) a you you could [Speaker 1] (1:57:29 - 1:57:32) So we the you could the pro I'm sorry I was trying to [Speaker 9] (1:57:32 - 1:57:32) The betterment. [Speaker 1] (1:57:32 - 1:57:33) distinguish [Speaker 9] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33) The betterment. [Speaker 1] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33) which [Speaker 9] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33) That's [Speaker 1] (1:57:33 - 1:57:33) the question [Speaker 9] (1:57:33 - 1:57:34) the that's [Speaker 1] (1:57:34 - 1:57:34) was the yeah [Speaker 9] (1:57:34 - 1:57:34) that's the term. That's determinant, [Speaker 1] (1:57:34 - 1:57:35) so [Speaker 9] (1:57:35 - 1:57:35) John Dennis. [Speaker 1] (1:57:35 - 1:57:48) the the betterment is Patrick walked through sort of the the criteria that we need to develop and it would also I think require us coming before this board and there was not something that we were going to be ready to do [Speaker 1] (1:57:49 - 1:57:50) you know ten [Speaker 7] (1:57:50 - 1:57:50) Will it help us? [Speaker 1] (1:57:50 - 1:57:56) days after the last discussion so that the policy decision can be made on whether or not betterment wants to be [Speaker 1] (1:57:56 - 1:58:05) pursued, and then also we would provide a recommended um criteria and sort of qualification for how we would go about doing it. [Speaker 1] (1:58:06 - 1:58:19) And so that's something we are more than happy to come back to the board with, uh and had given sort of the framework of it that it requires deciding what the criteria are, going through the public process, making sure that [Speaker 1] (1:58:19 - 1:58:22) The community has an opportunity to weigh in, and then the board makes a policy decision. [Speaker 9] (1:58:23 - 1:58:31) Understood. But I'm but we're asking to be we're asking to approve three and a half million dollars where there's we've already spent three million dollars fixing private laterals. [Speaker 9] (1:58:32 - 1:58:47) We have another five hundred laterals that are that that our VPW director had indicated would also need to be fixed. Five hundred times six thousand dollars is three million bucks. I can't approve that if we don't have a mechanism where the town can recapture. [Speaker 9] (1:58:48 - 1:58:55) all or a vast majority of those costs. I just I think it would be fiscally irresponsible for us to do that. [Speaker 3] (1:58:56 - 1:59:00) Does town meeting have to vote on a betterment policy? [Speaker 8] (1:59:01 - 1:59:04) I believe you do have to identify in advance that you're going to [Speaker 2] (1:59:12 - 1:59:13) if that answers your question. [Speaker 1] (1:59:14 - 1:59:15) So I think [Speaker 1] (1:59:16 - 1:59:21) So what would it take to be able to put that together for this time? [Speaker 3] (1:59:23 - 1:59:26) I don't think that this is necessarily something we should rush to do. [Speaker 3] (1:59:27 - 1:59:42) I am happy to sit down with Patrick and get on the phone with our attorneys tomorrow and share that information with all five of you and the two new folks on Wednesday to see what would be possible in terms of putting it in this warrant. [Speaker 3] (1:59:43 - 1:59:54) I think ultimately this is a relatively big decision to make based on the fact that we've already done it under the idea that this is, there's a community benefit to it with. [Speaker 3] (1:59:54 - 2:00:11) Our our effort to get out from under the consent decree and the fact that it's been discussed publicly since 2017 I'm happy to talk to them tomorrow and again share a sort of memo to the board as soon as we have information and then bring it for a public discussion to the next town next select board meeting as well [Speaker 4] (2:00:11 - 2:00:15) Just for just for sake of a differing opinion, [Speaker 4] (2:00:15 - 2:00:20) I don't believe this has been discussed publicly since 2017. [Speaker 4] (2:00:20 - 2:00:26) I don't believe the the Capital Improvement Committee had any idea that [Speaker 4] (2:00:27 - 2:00:37) these laterals were being fixed, the private laterals were being fixed with public dollars, that would have set off alarm bells uh for for the for the C_I_C_ I I've [Speaker 5] (2:00:37 - 2:00:37) Wait, [Speaker 4] (2:00:37 - 2:00:37) talked, [Speaker 5] (2:00:37 - 2:00:37) you don't [Speaker 4] (2:00:37 - 2:00:37) I've [Speaker 5] (2:00:37 - 2:00:40) think that we've spoken publicly since two thousand seventeen about that? [Speaker 4] (2:00:41 - 2:00:42) Certainly not with C_I_C_ no. [Speaker 5] (2:00:42 - 2:00:48) Well, if C_R_C_ is paying attention to any of our meetings, then I think they've heard it, 'cause we've absolutely discussed it in these in these meetings. [Speaker 4] (2:00:48 - 2:00:52) Okay, and just because it's been discussed here doesn't make it doesn't doesn't [Speaker 4] (2:00:52 - 2:00:53) doesn't [Speaker 5] (2:00:53 - 2:00:53) Sure. [Speaker 4] (2:00:53 - 2:00:53) provide [Speaker 5] (2:00:53 - 2:00:53) I mean, [Speaker 4] (2:00:53 - 2:00:53) that [Speaker 5] (2:00:53 - 2:00:54) I'm not. [Speaker 4] (2:00:54 - 2:01:01) that author that that that authorization that just because you're saying it you're putting it out in the open doesn't mean it's right so again [Speaker 5] (2:01:01 - 2:01:03) I'm not I'm not opining on its justice. I am. [Speaker 5] (2:01:03 - 2:01:11) I'm just simply saying that it's not fair to say that we haven't discussed it since 2017 because we absolutely have and we've we've come up multiple times in conversation, [Speaker 5] (2:01:11 - 2:01:13) including when we looked at ARPA funds. [Speaker 5] (2:01:13 - 2:01:16) So I don't think it's a fair. [Speaker 1] (2:01:17 - 2:01:18) Is it the process with which [Speaker 1] (2:01:19 - 2:01:24) We've decided which laterals to fix that is that you're questioning [Speaker 4] (2:01:24 - 2:01:45) I think the, I think the process that we've decided to fix any of the, of the private laterals and it's been easy for us to just say, hey look, we're gonna throw money at the problem. We're gonna m we're gonna have the problem go away, rather than create policy to say, alright, moving f you know, moving forward, which is what I'm trying to do, I'm not trying to look backwards. I but I think we have to understand what [Speaker 1] (2:01:45 - 2:01:46) It's happened, gonna come. [Speaker 4] (2:01:46 - 2:01:48) what happened in the past. We know that there are [Speaker 4] (2:01:50 - 2:02:00) Approximately as many laterals to to to be fixed as we've already fixed. We generally know what that cost before. There's been escalators since 2017. [Speaker 4] (2:02:00 - 2:02:04) So we have to assume that that's a three million dollar [Speaker 4] (2:02:05 - 2:02:33) bogey plus cost escalators. So I think it's irresponsible for us to not have to not have that plan and it would be my recommendation to say let's put a halt on this until we until we figure that piece out rather than rush through town meeting and say we want to we want to fix this we want to get out from our consent decree we're going to fix we're going to spend three million dollars fixing this that doesn't really leave too much money for sewer main rehabilitation. [Speaker 4] (2:02:35 - 2:02:37) Just per the numbers that we heard last last [Speaker 3] (2:02:37 - 2:02:45) I generally agree with David and while I didn't necessarily expect us to be ready to take a vote today, [Speaker 3] (2:02:45 - 2:02:48) I did expect that we would have a little bit more information. [Speaker 3] (2:02:49 - 2:02:53) So I know this is unusual, [Speaker 3] (2:02:53 - 2:02:57) but like it doesn't even sound like we're 100% clear. [Speaker 3] (2:02:58 - 2:02:59) I mean, when it... [Speaker 3] (2:03:00 - 2:03:04) Do we label things when we're doing the pipes as sewer main rehabilitation? [Speaker 3] (2:03:05 - 2:03:05) I wonder, [Speaker 1] (2:03:05 - 2:03:06) Didn't we ask about this [Speaker 3] (2:03:06 - 2:03:06) because [Speaker 1] (2:03:06 - 2:03:07) at the [Speaker 3] (2:03:07 - 2:03:07) there's [Speaker 1] (2:03:07 - 2:03:07) last the, meeting? [Speaker 3] (2:03:07 - 2:03:08) there's actually the main, [Speaker 3] (2:03:08 - 2:03:13) like, I just want to make sure we're even talking about the same thing here. [Speaker 3] (2:03:13 - 2:03:14) So when we're lining the mains, [Speaker 3] (2:03:14 - 2:03:15) this [Speaker 2] (2:03:15 - 2:03:15) Yeah, [Speaker 3] (2:03:15 - 2:03:15) idea, [Speaker 2] (2:03:15 - 2:03:16) that this [Speaker 3] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16) this [Speaker 2] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16) is [Speaker 3] (2:03:16 - 2:03:17) is the normal continuation, [Speaker 2] (2:03:17 - 2:03:18) where I [Speaker 3] (2:03:18 - 2:03:21) you're sure about that part. Yes. Okay, because Patrick was understandably, [Speaker 5] (2:03:21 - 2:03:23) You should know what phase it was if [Speaker 3] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23) you had [Speaker 2] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23) don't [Speaker 5] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23) it. [Speaker 2] (2:03:23 - 2:03:24) know. I don't. [Speaker 3] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24) I [Speaker 2] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24) I [Speaker 3] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24) asked him about [Speaker 2] (2:03:24 - 2:03:24) apologize. [Speaker 3] (2:03:24 - 2:03:25) the phase. [Speaker 3] (2:03:25 - 2:03:25) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (2:03:25 - 2:03:25) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:03:25 - 2:03:26) okay. [Speaker 3] (2:03:27 - 2:03:27) I mean, I [Speaker 5] (2:03:27 - 2:03:28) It depends. [Speaker 3] (2:03:28 - 2:03:32) prefer if we text Gino right now and find out, like, do we have an, I'm serious. [Speaker 5] (2:03:32 - 2:03:32) No, [Speaker 3] (2:03:32 - 2:03:33) And I, this is really, [Speaker 5] (2:03:33 - 2:03:33) I'm [Speaker 3] (2:03:33 - 2:03:34) this is a lot of money. [Speaker 5] (2:03:34 - 2:03:34) not. [Speaker 3] (2:03:34 - 2:03:40) I totally agree with Dave. It's a lot of money. And we did have this conversation and we did express the fact that there was at least some of us that had a lot of concern. [Speaker 3] (2:03:41 - 2:03:41) Um, [Speaker 3] (2:03:42 - 2:03:53) and so is it not possible at least to figure out, like, is this money going to be needed within fiscal year 27 to continue with the pipe work that we're doing? [Speaker 3] (2:03:55 - 2:04:03) I I will just say without texting him we would I I would not anticipate Gina would make a request for money that he does not anticipate needing to spend on a project like this. [Speaker 3] (2:04:04 - 2:04:08) I'm happy to send him a text message and see if we can get an answer. At the same time, I don't know [Speaker 2] (2:04:08 - 2:04:08) that Mm. [Speaker 3] (2:04:08 - 2:04:13) it's reasonable to expect that he's gonna answer me in the next few minutes at eight forty five on [Speaker 4] (2:04:13 - 2:04:14) You mean, I agree. [Speaker 3] (2:04:14 - 2:04:16) a Monday, uh but I'm happy to ask. [Speaker 5] (2:04:17 - 2:04:28) But is there not a different solution? So if we believe that we want to move forward with Betterment and that we want to create a policy and process in place, [Speaker 5] (2:04:28 - 2:04:30) can we preemptively say, [Speaker 5] (2:04:30 - 2:04:32) because the mechanism right now is borrowing, [Speaker 5] (2:04:33 - 2:04:39) can we preemptively give it a mechanism of slash Betterment and then if a Betterment existed, [Speaker 5] (2:04:39 - 2:04:43) be able to fund it through that way? If not, we would have borrowing available to us. [Speaker 5] (2:04:43 - 2:04:55) Is that a valid way to solution this problem under the impression that we would be basically saying the benefit is preferred in some instances David is saying conditioned upon, [Speaker 5] (2:04:55 - 2:05:04) but we need a mechanism for sort of vetting that process and what it looks like in public comment to it before we, and possibly [Speaker 5] (2:05:07 - 2:05:20) Yeah, I mean I just I don't want to not I don't want to delay the funding and if there's a if there's a way around it of just saying like the commitment of this board is that betterment is the commitment and we will facilitate that. [Speaker 5] (2:05:21 - 2:05:25) Then is that a way for you two gentlemen to get comfortable with [Speaker 4] (2:05:25 - 2:05:25) Well, [Speaker 5] (2:05:25 - 2:05:25) it? [Speaker 4] (2:05:25 - 2:05:37) is there any also is there any harm in just pushing this out into our fall town meeting so we have appropriate time to to really to wrangle this and to get to get all the information possible? [Speaker 3] (2:05:37 - 2:05:46) The the one concern I would have with that, and I think Gino did address this when he was here two weeks ago, is that the contract needs to be signed at the end of this fiscal year. [Speaker 3] (2:05:47 - 2:05:49) And we can't sign a contract without funding. [Speaker 1] (2:05:51 - 2:05:54) Even though this funding doesn't kick in until [Speaker 1] (2:05:55 - 2:05:56) next fiscal year? [Speaker 3] (2:05:56 - 2:05:57) So July first. [Speaker 3] (2:05:59 - 2:06:10) July first versus December seventh doesn't it's it's something that we need to be able to move forward with this year. I will ask him I'm happy to move forward in whatever way you all want. [Speaker 3] (2:06:11 - 2:06:24) But as I recall the conversation, and I'm doing this solely for memory, it was that the SRA funding is something that needs to be in place for the and this is related to a previous SRA that has been approved, I believe, [Speaker 1] (2:06:24 - 2:06:24) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 3] (2:06:24 - 2:06:35) um that we needed to have that all done in time so that we can immediately go in on July first and pushing it to December then means it's next construction season, not this construction season. [Speaker 5] (2:06:35 - 2:06:38) Which could mean increased costs, which could mean other factors, which [Speaker 3] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38) Well [Speaker 5] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38) could [Speaker 3] (2:06:38 - 2:06:48) right, but that's that's why this, sorry, but that's why, you know, it's I'm sorry to bother anybody, but it I mean this is a big dollar amount and I'm I'm not convinced that [Speaker 3] (2:06:50 - 2:06:57) this is the money that is actually being used for that immediate July one contract. [Speaker 3] (2:06:58 - 2:06:59) I would [Speaker 3] (2:07:00 - 2:07:08) It seems to me that it's a reasonable chance that it's actually we've already got the money in place for that contract, that this is kind of stocking up for the next one, [Speaker 1] (2:07:08 - 2:07:09) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:07:09 - 2:07:17) um but it's unclear exactly where we're at frankly in this whole process to me at the moment. So but back to your suggestion, [Speaker 3] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17) Katie, [Speaker 5] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17) I Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:07:17 - 2:07:23) mean I certainly think that's a reasonable one if it had some teeth to it in a way, [Speaker 1] (2:07:23 - 2:07:23) What [Speaker 3] (2:07:23 - 2:07:24) right, [Speaker 1] (2:07:24 - 2:07:24) would [Speaker 3] (2:07:24 - 2:07:24) because [Speaker 3] (2:07:25 - 2:07:27) It's it's a good start to have [Speaker 1] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27) How [Speaker 3] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27) Slash [Speaker 1] (2:07:27 - 2:07:28) do we we [Speaker 3] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28) Betterment [Speaker 1] (2:07:28 - 2:07:30) make it make it with some teeth to it? [Speaker 3] (2:07:30 - 2:07:34) Right You know [Speaker 3] (2:07:35 - 2:07:38) we didn't I don't think vote for whatever it [Speaker 5] (2:07:38 - 2:07:38) So [Speaker 3] (2:07:38 - 2:07:39) last time [Speaker 3] (2:07:40 - 2:07:40) Go ahead [Speaker 5] (2:07:40 - 2:07:47) says the appropriation will be spent over two years due to the magnitude of the project on the description here. [Speaker 1] (2:07:47 - 2:07:48) What's left [Speaker 5] (2:07:48 - 2:07:48) So [Speaker 1] (2:07:48 - 2:07:48) right [Speaker 5] (2:07:48 - 2:07:48) it's [Speaker 1] (2:07:48 - 2:07:48) now? [Speaker 5] (2:07:48 - 2:07:51) $3.5 million for two fiscal years. [Speaker 1] (2:07:53 - 2:07:54) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:07:54 - 2:07:56) Right, and when is it needed? Can it p could it wait 'til [Speaker 1] (2:07:56 - 2:07:56) Or [Speaker 3] (2:07:56 - 2:08:01) could it wait to the fall because we got enough to make it till then or not, you know, whatever. But sorry, go ahead. [Speaker 1] (2:08:01 - 2:08:01) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:08:04 - 2:08:10) What d what what do your numbers look like right now, what you're working off of? Because we had ARPA money, [Speaker 1] (2:08:11 - 2:08:14) we had appropriations, [Speaker 1] (2:08:15 - 2:08:18) and then we had the S_R_F_ loan, right? [Speaker 2] (2:08:19 - 2:08:20) First it will work. [Speaker 1] (2:08:20 - 2:08:21) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:08:21 - 2:08:21) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22) So [Speaker 1] (2:08:25 - 2:08:31) what is what does it look like in your detail as far as the money you're working off of now, when do you think this money is gonna kick in? [Speaker 2] (2:08:32 - 2:08:38) The funding that's in this warrant I believe is for the next round of S_R_F_ funding. [Speaker 2] (2:08:39 - 2:08:45) That's my belief. We approved money at last town meeting and we have a like a loan agreement [Speaker 2] (2:08:45 - 2:08:48) commitment in hand from the SRF program for [Speaker 1] (2:08:48 - 2:08:49) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:08:49 - 2:08:50) that money. So that's [Speaker 2] (2:08:51 - 2:08:54) that is my belief. I'm fairly confident in Right, that. [Speaker 1] (2:08:54 - 2:08:54) that's what I [Speaker 2] (2:08:54 - 2:08:59) So that's would. it'd be an additional tranche and we would go for an additional round of funding [Speaker 2] (2:09:03 - 2:09:14) So it sounds like if we were to approve this with the caveat that we want the betterment attached to it, it sounds like we'd have enough time to add the betterment. [Speaker 3] (2:09:14 - 2:09:19) Gina said we can make it till December, to your point Doug, with the money that is currently available. [Speaker 3] (2:09:20 - 2:09:23) And so that gives us time to do the betterment in a [Speaker 2] (2:09:23 - 2:09:23) Great. [Speaker 3] (2:09:24 - 2:09:40) a broad and public way and to the point you're making right now, get through to the the d December town meeting with a g a betterment process that people can weigh in on and can answer more of the questions that David that you have generally about how many to expect and what it will look like. [Speaker 4] (2:09:40 - 2:09:43) Yeah, and I'm and I'm not trying to s I'm not trying to stop anything. [Speaker 3] (2:09:43 - 2:09:43) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:09:43 - 2:09:46) I'm just trying to make sure that we're financial that we're strong financial stewards. [Speaker 4] (2:09:47 - 2:09:49) For the town. For the rate payer. For the taxpayer. [Speaker 2] (2:09:50 - 2:09:54) So what does that mean? We don't need to sign any contracts now, or we do approve it now and then say we're going to do a So better [Speaker 5] (2:09:54 - 2:09:54) are [Speaker 2] (2:09:54 - 2:09:54) job? [Speaker 5] (2:09:54 - 2:09:54) you taking [Speaker 3] (2:09:54 - 2:09:55) He [Speaker 5] (2:09:55 - 2:09:55) it out? [Speaker 3] (2:09:55 - 2:09:59) said he said that we can make it to December. So to me that means we can take this out [Speaker 6] (2:09:59 - 2:10:00) And move it to [Speaker 3] (2:10:00 - 2:10:10) with the understanding that we're going to look at betterment and we can communicate a town meeting that we anticipate coming with some more information in December and potentially an article that requires appropriation. [Speaker 2] (2:10:11 - 2:10:11) Okay. [Speaker 7] (2:10:11 - 2:10:14) And I think betterment means process. [Speaker 7] (2:10:14 - 2:10:37) understanding the process, right, and making it public, um specifically saying and I I do remember asking this at the last meeting, which have been repaired, what is on the schedule for the next set of repairs, what's the criteria that we utilise to decide what's getting repaired, all of that, which is would probably lend some more credibility to the whole thing and resolve some of these questions. [Speaker 3] (2:10:37 - 2:10:42) Yeah, I think it's two parts. It's the public information from D_P_W_ what has been done, what will be done, but also [Speaker 3] (2:10:42 - 2:10:45) So walking through the process of what betterment means for the rate payers that are impacted [Speaker 7] (2:10:45 - 2:10:45) Great. [Speaker 3] (2:10:45 - 2:10:47) by it, I'm letting people come and weigh in on that. [Speaker 2] (2:10:48 - 2:10:49) Okay. [Speaker 8] (2:10:49 - 2:10:54) Okay, so then the motion I would entertain if there aren't any additional [Speaker 3] (2:10:54 - 2:10:54) Yes, there are. [Speaker 8] (2:10:54 - 2:10:54) Oh, there are. [Speaker 3] (2:10:54 - 2:10:55) Sorry. [Speaker 8] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55) Oh, there are. Sorry, [Speaker 3] (2:10:55 - 2:10:56) Yep. [Speaker 8] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56) Doug. [Speaker 8] (2:10:56 - 2:10:57) I don't apologize. I apologize. [Speaker 3] (2:10:57 - 2:11:01) Um, okay, so we just saved three point five million dollars. [Speaker 8] (2:11:01 - 2:11:03) Well, we didn't save it. We just we just moved it. [Speaker 8] (2:11:04 - 2:11:06) But yes, David [Speaker 3] (2:11:06 - 2:11:07) David did actually. [Speaker 8] (2:11:07 - 2:11:07) don't take too much credit. [Speaker 3] (2:11:07 - 2:11:07) Yeah, [Speaker 8] (2:11:07 - 2:11:08) David [Speaker 3] (2:11:08 - 2:11:08) David [Speaker 8] (2:11:08 - 2:11:08) did [Speaker 3] (2:11:08 - 2:11:08) did. [Speaker 8] (2:11:08 - 2:11:09) all the legwork there. [Speaker 3] (2:11:09 - 2:11:09) Exactly. [Speaker 7] (2:11:10 - 2:11:10) I joked. [Speaker 3] (2:11:10 - 2:11:10) Um [Speaker 3] (2:11:12 - 2:11:15) The one-fifth N, line 56 is coming out. [Speaker 8] (2:11:16 - 2:11:17) Yes, that's [Speaker 3] (2:11:17 - 2:11:17) FinCom [Speaker 8] (2:11:17 - 2:11:17) been acknowledged. [Speaker 3] (2:11:17 - 2:11:18) took that out, right? [Speaker 1] (2:11:18 - 2:11:18) Yep. [Speaker 7] (2:11:18 - 2:11:19) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 8] (2:11:19 - 2:11:19) Yep. [Speaker 3] (2:11:19 - 2:11:24) Now you're saying, Nick, that line 39 is also not needed? [Speaker 3] (2:11:25 - 2:11:29) Correct, with the understanding that we're pushing it to an out year and see what happens with the letter of interest. [Speaker 3] (2:11:29 - 2:11:35) Okay, did FinCom know that? That can That was subsequent yep, today, and today. it's something that I would talk to them about on Thursday. [Speaker 3] (2:11:35 - 2:11:37) Okay. Um [Speaker 3] (2:11:38 - 2:11:40) So there's yeah. [Speaker 8] (2:11:40 - 2:11:41) Do you want to go back to solar category? [Speaker 3] (2:11:42 - 2:11:43) Oh, that's a good idea. [Speaker 8] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43) Thirty [Speaker 3] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43) I hadn't [Speaker 8] (2:11:43 - 2:11:44) three? [Speaker 3] (2:11:44 - 2:11:47) thought about that. Yeah, yes I do. Um yes. [Speaker 8] (2:11:47 - 2:11:47) I knew you [Speaker 3] (2:11:47 - 2:11:48) So [Speaker 8] (2:11:48 - 2:11:48) would. [Speaker 3] (2:11:48 - 2:11:49) what's that? [Speaker 8] (2:11:49 - 2:11:49) I knew you would. [Speaker 3] (2:11:49 - 2:11:54) Yeah. Yeah. So we've already voted on this, I think, collectively. [Speaker 3] (2:11:54 - 2:11:55) Um so [Speaker 8] (2:11:56 - 2:11:56) You want to put [Speaker 3] (2:11:56 - 2:11:57) so [Speaker 8] (2:11:57 - 2:11:57) it back there? [Speaker 3] (2:11:57 - 2:12:05) I guess, you know, FinCom makes the recommendation, right? So we're not literally changing it. But our basically we're gonna be putting together what our recommendation is, which is [Speaker 3] (2:12:06 - 2:12:07) Their recommendation, [Speaker 3] (2:12:07 - 2:12:19) with the solar canopy money back in at the net 150 or the 300 as it was, [Speaker 3] (2:12:19 - 2:12:20) but [Speaker 3] (2:12:23 - 2:12:26) also with this middle school classroom space taken out, [Speaker 3] (2:12:26 - 2:12:26) right, [Speaker 8] (2:12:26 - 2:12:27) Yep. [Speaker 3] (2:12:27 - 2:12:28) and [Speaker 8] (2:12:28 - 2:12:29) Yep. And? [Speaker 3] (2:12:31 - 2:12:31) the sewer main. [Speaker 8] (2:12:32 - 2:12:33) And the gym technology. [Speaker 8] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34) Take a [Speaker 3] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34) I [Speaker 8] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34) note. [Speaker 3] (2:12:34 - 2:12:36) would just like they already took that out. They're pushed [Speaker 8] (2:12:36 - 2:12:36) Oh, sorry. [Speaker 3] (2:12:36 - 2:12:37) They're [Speaker 8] (2:12:37 - 2:12:37) Thank you. [Speaker 3] (2:12:37 - 2:12:38) pushed out in the plan. We're not [Speaker 4] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:12:38 - 2:12:38) Yeah. [Speaker 8] (2:12:38 - 2:12:39) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:12:39 - 2:12:40) So this year. [Speaker 3] (2:12:40 - 2:12:40) They'll be in the appendix. [Speaker 2] (2:12:40 - 2:12:40) But not [Speaker 3] (2:12:40 - 2:12:40) We're only [Speaker 2] (2:12:40 - 2:12:41) next. [Speaker 3] (2:12:41 - 2:12:41) voting [Speaker 4] (2:12:41 - 2:12:41) Not [Speaker 3] (2:12:41 - 2:12:43) on this year. only we're voting on they'll be in the appendix. Yeah. [Speaker 8] (2:12:44 - 2:12:50) So would it would it not make more sense for us to commit to the discussion right now, [Speaker 8] (2:12:50 - 2:12:58) but just report a town meeting so that we would be able to explain what what exactly we vote to support. [Speaker 8] (2:13:00 - 2:13:06) Or does it make sense to vote zero to five or whatever the poll is that we do not support the article as written? [Speaker 8] (2:13:07 - 2:13:11) Like what's the better optics is what I'm trying to get at. [Speaker 8] (2:13:11 - 2:13:23) So I think potentially it's better for us to not vote for us to discuss the strategy which we will sort of, you will delineate a person outside of your, [Speaker 8] (2:13:23 - 2:13:27) of you guys leaving to discuss. [Speaker 8] (2:13:28 - 2:13:33) what the conversation was for us here and what we would like to add we [Speaker 3] (2:13:33 - 2:13:35) Last year we had an amendment, [Speaker 2] (2:13:35 - 2:13:36) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 3] (2:13:36 - 2:13:36) remember? [Speaker 8] (2:13:36 - 2:13:36) did [Speaker 3] (2:13:37 - 2:13:41) Because we actually had some differences with the FinCom and we came forth with an amendment. [Speaker 7] (2:13:41 - 2:13:42) We did. [Speaker 2] (2:13:42 - 2:13:42) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 3] (2:13:42 - 2:13:43) Yep. [Speaker 8] (2:13:43 - 2:13:43) okay so [Speaker 3] (2:13:43 - 2:13:45) So that's what I'd suggest you [Speaker 8] (2:13:45 - 2:13:45) okay that's [Speaker 3] (2:13:45 - 2:13:45) all would [Speaker 8] (2:13:45 - 2:13:45) a good idea [Speaker 3] (2:13:45 - 2:13:47) do this year as well. [Speaker 8] (2:13:47 - 2:13:50) we you would do it also if we we could vote to do it right now could we not [Speaker 3] (2:13:50 - 2:13:54) Yes, we could, but I'm talking about literally at that meeting, [Speaker 3] (2:13:54 - 2:13:54) yes. [Speaker 3] (2:13:56 - 2:13:59) So that's I guess where I was going. I was I was proposing [Speaker 3] (2:14:00 - 2:14:01) the amendment. [Speaker 3] (2:14:04 - 2:14:05) Okay. Um [Speaker 3] (2:14:07 - 2:14:11) But before we get there, there's one other item I wanna make sure we're clear on. [Speaker 3] (2:14:11 - 2:14:14) So we have the six hundred thousand here for Burl Street. [Speaker 3] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15) Okay. [Speaker 7] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15) Yes. [Speaker 7] (2:14:18 - 2:14:19) Oh yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:14:19 - 2:14:23) This is gonna be a separate thing. So I don't think it actually affects the but just give you [Speaker 3] (2:14:24 - 2:14:24) Prep time. [Speaker 7] (2:14:24 - 2:14:25) Yep. [Speaker 3] (2:14:26 - 2:14:33) Like there isn't that other there isn't another warrant article in here for that which we talked about as well. [Speaker 3] (2:14:33 - 2:14:47) So I'll give both of you some prep time to respond to that as we proceed through this because now we're on the budget one but it still seems to me that we were supposed to have another warrant article in here so we'll come back to that because I don't think it really affects the budget per se. [Speaker 8] (2:14:49 - 2:14:49) I [Speaker 3] (2:14:49 - 2:14:49) Well, [Speaker 8] (2:14:49 - 2:14:49) don't follow, [Speaker 3] (2:14:49 - 2:14:50) maybe it does. [Speaker 8] (2:14:50 - 2:14:51) I was going to say I don't follow what you're saying [Speaker 3] (2:14:51 - 2:14:51) Okay, [Speaker 8] (2:14:51 - 2:14:52) here. [Speaker 3] (2:14:52 - 2:14:52) I'm sorry. [Speaker 3] (2:14:52 - 2:14:54) All right. Remember we've talked about this. [Speaker 7] (2:14:55 - 2:14:55) Yes. [Speaker 3] (2:14:55 - 2:15:05) Six months ago, whatever it was, we voted, we said we're going to set this up in a separate fund. We had to, I'm sorry Nick, I look, I know you look exasperated, but I'm a little bit exasperated about it as well. [Speaker 4] (2:15:05 - 2:15:06) I'm not exasperated. [Speaker 3] (2:15:06 - 2:15:23) So, well, okay, so um you know we've asked several times for you guys to go back to the minutes and come forth with explicitly and what needed to happen per that vote and I still have not seen anything telling me exactly what we need to do. You keep coming back saying [Speaker 3] (2:15:23 - 2:15:27) saying it needs to go in this capital real estate fund, but that [Speaker 3] (2:15:28 - 2:15:38) you've never said that that's, is that what we literally voted for? Because we were had specific guidance at that point from K_P_ about exactly the mechanism. Is that what you guys found? That was what we needed to do? [Speaker 3] (2:15:41 - 2:15:43) So as I understand it, [Speaker 3] (2:15:44 - 2:15:49) in the minutes there is not something reflected to show that there is anything different being done with the money. [Speaker 3] (2:15:49 - 2:15:59) the approved minutes of the December meetings in twenty twenty four. And I believe that was where we were directed to look. Is that accurate as [Speaker 4] (2:15:59 - 2:15:59) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 3] (2:15:59 - 2:16:03) far as the time frame? We we gave you our best guess at that point. If you only [Speaker 7] (2:16:03 - 2:16:03) Okay, [Speaker 3] (2:16:03 - 2:16:03) looked in December [Speaker 7] (2:16:03 - 2:16:03) there no, [Speaker 3] (2:16:03 - 2:16:09) and there was yeah. there was a discussion in those meetings about this process and and but [Speaker 3] (2:16:10 - 2:16:13) That money goes into a sale of real estate account that can then be appropriated for, [Speaker 3] (2:16:13 - 2:16:14) first, [Speaker 3] (2:16:14 - 2:16:18) the cost of the purchase of the land to retire debt, [Speaker 3] (2:16:18 - 2:16:19) and next, [Speaker 3] (2:16:19 - 2:16:21) for capital improvements in town. [Speaker 3] (2:16:24 - 2:16:26) So we have expressed that before. [Speaker 3] (2:16:26 - 2:16:28) We have reviewed the minutes, [Speaker 3] (2:16:28 - 2:16:32) and what we found did not redirect, [Speaker 3] (2:16:32 - 2:16:34) and I'm sorry to exasperate you now. [Speaker 3] (2:16:35 - 2:16:35) Um, [Speaker 3] (2:16:39 - 2:16:41) but I'm I'm not sure what more [Speaker 3] (2:16:43 - 2:16:56) we can do. It's it it is clear we have talked to the Finance Committee and C_I_C_ around the fact that this money the six hundred here is meant to be you know, the comes from um [Speaker 3] (2:16:58 - 2:17:04) the amendment to the authorisation for capital for, as I said, the library and this and Town Hall. And then this money would be [Speaker 3] (2:17:04 - 2:17:07) for all intents and purposes reimbursed from [Speaker 3] (2:17:08 - 2:17:12) the payment that is made upon the I believe by B'nai B'rith. [Speaker 2] (2:17:13 - 2:17:13) Right. [Speaker 9] (2:17:27 - 2:17:29) Do we all agree we took a vote about this? [Speaker 7] (2:17:33 - 2:17:35) We do. I do. I agree with you. [Speaker 4] (2:17:35 - 2:17:35) Yep. [Speaker 8] (2:17:35 - 2:17:37) I mean, I know we [Speaker 2] (2:17:37 - 2:17:37) In [Speaker 8] (2:17:37 - 2:17:37) took [Speaker 2] (2:17:37 - 2:17:37) terms [Speaker 8] (2:17:37 - 2:17:37) a vote. [Speaker 2] (2:17:37 - 2:17:37) of. [Speaker 8] (2:17:37 - 2:17:47) I think philosophically I agree with what you're saying, that the money is going to be utilized for this. I don't remember the exact language being that we were setting up a separate account. [Speaker 8] (2:17:47 - 2:17:52) I don't recall that being something, but I didn't commit the conditions of the vote to memory. [Speaker 8] (2:17:54 - 2:17:55) I d I don't recall that. [Speaker 4] (2:17:56 - 2:17:58) I can't access the 24 meeting, the 24th [Speaker 7] (2:17:58 - 2:18:03) I do recall it. I do remember hearing and saying that we were setting aside money in a separate account for [Speaker 3] (2:18:03 - 2:18:06) And we had two different options, and we chose one [Speaker 7] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06) 89 [Speaker 3] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06) of [Speaker 7] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06) Broad [Speaker 3] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06) them, [Speaker 7] (2:18:06 - 2:18:07) Street. I [Speaker 3] (2:18:07 - 2:18:07) and [Speaker 7] (2:18:07 - 2:18:09) do remember that. When that happened, [Speaker 7] (2:18:09 - 2:18:11) that I'm fuzzy on. [Speaker 7] (2:18:11 - 2:18:13) I did think it was December. [Speaker 8] (2:18:13 - 2:18:17) Well, I think it had to happen because that's when we voted to support the LDA. [Speaker 1] (2:18:18 - 2:18:18) Uh I did [Speaker 7] (2:18:19 - 2:18:23) And not necessarily just because we didn't reflect it in a certain set of minutes doesn't mean it didn't occur, [Speaker 8] (2:18:23 - 2:18:24) We're just [Speaker 7] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24) right? [Speaker 8] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24) by just [Speaker 7] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24) I guess. [Speaker 8] (2:18:24 - 2:18:25) so we watch the meetings. [Speaker 4] (2:18:25 - 2:18:25) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:18:25 - 2:18:25) Mm. [Speaker 1] (2:18:25 - 2:18:45) Yeah, I d I did go through the minutes and I worked with Shannon and Nick on this and I did watch back some of the meetings as well where we were talking about Pine Street and those meetings and I couldn't find language that was said in the meeting to this effect. Um and I did try to go through it and be, you know. [Speaker 2] (2:18:45 - 2:18:45) Uh [Speaker 8] (2:18:45 - 2:18:46) Adjective. [Speaker 1] (2:18:46 - 2:18:46) pretty careful. [Speaker 2] (2:18:46 - 2:18:54) Well, I remember I was talking about intent and then that the issue was 'cause I remember the issue was whether or not we c what we could actually do we had [Speaker 1] (2:19:11 - 2:19:13) But the intent was to [Speaker 2] (2:19:13 - 2:19:19) Yeah, I thought wait a minute now. I thought that we couldn't bind future boards Uh, but we gave an intent at the time [Speaker 1] (2:19:19 - 2:19:20) It was intended. [Speaker 2] (2:19:20 - 2:19:23) Didn't we say Doug does any of this ring a bell that we [Speaker 2] (2:19:24 - 2:19:25) No [Speaker 1] (2:19:30 - 2:19:32) So the question is how we can do that now? [Speaker 1] (2:19:32 - 2:19:33) Is that is that what we're [Speaker 3] (2:19:34 - 2:19:37) It's making sure that if the account needs to be created that it is created so that [Speaker 3] (2:19:37 - 2:19:41) the payment from the neighbourhood has a place to go that's not [Speaker 1] (2:19:41 - 2:19:41) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:19:41 - 2:19:42) the sale of real estate account. [Speaker 1] (2:19:42 - 2:19:42) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:19:43 - 2:19:46) And the payment the payment occurs on C_O_ if I'm not mistaken. [Speaker 2] (2:19:46 - 2:19:47) Yes. [Speaker 3] (2:19:48 - 2:20:01) I know I sound like a broken record right now but we can also address this in December and all five of you can direct us very clearly right now to make sure that we come back to the board regardless of membership [Speaker 3] (2:20:03 - 2:20:05) in June or you know [Speaker 3] (2:20:05 - 2:20:07) To say like this is the path going forward, [Speaker 3] (2:20:07 - 2:20:09) we were incorrect, [Speaker 3] (2:20:09 - 2:20:23) we were correct, whatever the case may be after again reviewing the meetings and the minutes to make sure that it reflects the actions that you requested, town staff to take, and if it's intent that's important as opposed to trying to create an account that [Speaker 3] (2:20:24 - 2:20:32) Currently, we do not understand being the way to do this. Then we will come in and tell you that we were wrong, and this is how we can do it, and we will put it on the the warrant for December. [Speaker 2] (2:20:32 - 2:20:36) Yeah, I guess a little bit, Doug, if you don't mind clarifying, uh [Speaker 2] (2:20:37 - 2:20:41) if we're committing to spend the funds on Burl and making the investment, [Speaker 2] (2:20:42 - 2:20:52) I'm not really sure if I fully appreciate why the separate fund matters if the commitment is being made at the capital level by us right now. [Speaker 3] (2:20:53 - 2:20:57) Well, I think, you know, obviously there's a lot of context to this. [Speaker 2] (2:20:57 - 2:21:00) I know, and I'm not trying to get into it all, but I'm I really am trying to I [Speaker 3] (2:21:00 - 2:21:00) Right, [Speaker 2] (2:21:00 - 2:21:00) I want [Speaker 3] (2:21:00 - 2:21:00) yeah, no, [Speaker 2] (2:21:00 - 2:21:01) to support [Speaker 3] (2:21:01 - 2:21:04) that was a little joke. So we have six hundred thousand. [Speaker 2] (2:21:04 - 2:21:04) Yep. [Speaker 3] (2:21:04 - 2:21:06) We've set up an a capital plan. [Speaker 2] (2:21:06 - 2:21:07) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 3] (2:21:07 - 2:21:08) Okay. [Speaker 3] (2:21:08 - 2:21:18) And as Nick just, in some ways what Nick is saying is making it, you know, all the more reason why we try to be intentional about this because he's saying, [Speaker 3] (2:21:18 - 2:21:18) okay, [Speaker 3] (2:21:18 - 2:21:22) well it's going to go into this, you know, capital fund and it can be used, you know, the 1.5 million, [Speaker 3] (2:21:23 - 2:21:27) it can be used for various purposes to improve the real estate of the town or whatever, [Speaker 3] (2:21:27 - 2:21:28) right? [Speaker 3] (2:21:29 - 2:21:32) So that clearly doesn't direct it towards this. [Speaker 3] (2:21:34 - 2:21:42) Yes there's 600,000 being put aside here but there were estimates at one point there was going to cost 1.2 million to do what needed to be done there to make that into what needed to happen. [Speaker 3] (2:21:43 - 2:21:47) So that was the point of all of this was to say given [Speaker 3] (2:21:49 - 2:21:55) the fact that the vets were moving there we wanted to make sure there was going to be no no short shifting going on right? [Speaker 3] (2:21:55 - 2:21:57) Now we got this number down to 600. [Speaker 3] (2:21:57 - 2:22:02) I think there was some process to get it to 600. That was the latest best estimate. [Speaker 2] (2:22:02 - 2:22:02) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:22:02 - 2:22:06) But what happens if it's 800,000 or a million? [Speaker 3] (2:22:07 - 2:22:09) And there's other reasons that, you know, [Speaker 3] (2:22:09 - 2:22:11) another board comes along. That was the whole point. [Speaker 3] (2:22:12 - 2:22:15) You know, we had gone through a contentious problematic situation. [Speaker 3] (2:22:15 - 2:22:25) This was part, you know, part of the resolution to it and we wanted that money set aside. We all said kumbaya basically. We want to make sure there's enough money to really do the vets thing there. [Speaker 2] (2:22:26 - 2:22:26) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:22:26 - 2:22:28) Right. So Yep. that's the point of it. [Speaker 2] (2:22:28 - 2:22:29) Yep. Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:22:32 - 2:22:33) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:22:33 - 2:22:34) So having [Speaker 1] (2:22:38 - 2:22:42) Can we take a vote or make a motion that will be, that will solidify that intention? [Speaker 1] (2:22:44 - 2:22:45) It I I mean [Speaker 3] (2:22:48 - 2:23:04) And we we have said to Finance Committee, we've said to you all, the idea is that that money is repaid to the town by the proceeds, so that it's a short term borrowing in order to get the work done in if it's six hundred or if we needed to come back and say it was a different number. [Speaker 3] (2:23:05 - 2:23:09) But we would not be rolling this into a long-term debt because we have funds that are imminent [Speaker 2] (2:23:09 - 2:23:09) Important [Speaker 3] (2:23:09 - 2:23:10) for [Speaker 2] (2:23:10 - 2:23:10) that. [Speaker 3] (2:23:10 - 2:23:12) but work that needs to be done in advance [Speaker 2] (2:23:12 - 2:23:12) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:23:12 - 2:23:13) of that payment. [Speaker 2] (2:23:13 - 2:23:13) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:23:13 - 2:23:18) So this is sort of that bridge between when the C_O_ is issued [Speaker 3] (2:23:19 - 2:23:24) um and being able to move forward with work so we are ready at the point at which they need a place to be. [Speaker 2] (2:23:24 - 2:23:25) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:23:25 - 2:23:25) Right. [Speaker 4] (2:23:25 - 2:23:28) And in that same vein, I'll just add, [Speaker 4] (2:23:28 - 2:23:28) I think [Speaker 4] (2:23:30 - 2:23:39) No matter what, if funding isn't going to be received until, you know, much later, for any work to occur now we would have to have a borrowing authorisation from town meeting to incur an obligation. [Speaker 2] (2:23:39 - 2:23:40) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:23:40 - 2:23:40) Totally. [Speaker 1] (2:23:40 - 2:23:42) Which is why it's in here to be [Speaker 3] (2:23:42 - 2:23:42) But [Speaker 1] (2:23:42 - 2:23:42) resolved. [Speaker 3] (2:23:42 - 2:23:43) it's only six hundred [Speaker 4] (2:23:43 - 2:23:43) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:23:43 - 2:23:45) thousand. What if we need more? [Speaker 4] (2:23:46 - 2:23:48) We could rack up the board could recommend more, [Speaker 4] (2:23:49 - 2:23:51) as part of the article. [Speaker 3] (2:23:53 - 2:23:56) With other amendments being made, that could be something that you all could decide to adjust as well. [Speaker 2] (2:24:10 - 2:24:16) I think nobody is doubting the philosophy behind it, Doug, [Speaker 2] (2:24:16 - 2:24:24) and we are all still standing here today with the same commitment. It is just the mechanism by which that commitment solidifies this board's commitment to do that. [Speaker 2] (2:24:24 - 2:24:26) So like [Speaker 2] (2:24:28 - 2:24:32) I will just come out and say if it's a million dollars. [Speaker 2] (2:24:32 - 2:24:43) Like it's a million dollars and we come forward and I will champion a million dollars just as if you and David were here. I know that's like not good enough for what you're asking right now and you want something concrete to hold out. [Speaker 1] (2:24:44 - 2:24:54) Well I think we all um made that promise, right? I don't think we picked six hundred thousand. I I remember I said at that time, you know, whatever it was gonna take to do right by the veterans. [Speaker 2] (2:24:54 - 2:24:54) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:24:55 - 2:24:55) You did. [Speaker 1] (2:24:55 - 2:25:01) Um I know I said that. So I stand firm in that belief and [Speaker 1] (2:25:00 - 2:25:11) You know, and I understand your your want to to codify it or document it considering, you know, this is your last meeting. I totally understand it and I get it I agree with it I [Speaker 1] (2:25:12 - 2:25:29) I'm with you, you know, so if there's something if there's some motion we can s make tonight that solidifies that that you know we're earmarking this money for just for you know upon the C_O_ uh of that six hundred thousand and as much as necessary, whatever we need to say. I mean I [Speaker 1] (2:25:30 - 2:25:32) I understand exactly where you're coming from. [Speaker 1] (2:25:33 - 2:25:41) And I do think we did at the last meeting ask specifically, I think it was from Tom McEnerney maybe, to get some clarification on it. [Speaker 1] (2:25:42 - 2:25:43) So I understand the frustration. [Speaker 1] (2:25:45 - 2:25:57) You know, and I think time is of the essence too, right? So it's, this is the last meeting for you guys and you wanna see this done and done the right way because it was important to both of you, as it is to the rest of us too, but. [Speaker 1] (2:25:58 - 2:26:03) It was a contentious situation and we just want it handled the right way. So I get it. [Speaker 4] (2:26:04 - 2:26:04) It was contagious. [Speaker 2] (2:26:10 - 2:26:27) So I mean here's the conundrum we're in, right? 'Cause like if we don't close s if we don't vote on all of the articles, we're sort of in this your signatures get electronically fixed and we then report it's to to town meeting for some of them which are not them, right? So [Speaker 2] (2:26:28 - 2:26:30) I think that's the part where Nick was trying to avoid. [Speaker 5] (2:26:30 - 2:26:31) Avoid. [Speaker 4] (2:26:31 - 2:26:31) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:26:32 - 2:26:36) Um and so we are, you know, [Speaker 2] (2:26:37 - 2:26:39) voting now so that you two are at the table. [Speaker 2] (2:26:40 - 2:26:47) So there is like weird understanding of that being valuable after your commitments to the town. So [Speaker 5] (2:26:50 - 2:26:53) So do you want to amend that dollar amount talk? [Speaker 3] (2:26:55 - 2:26:56) Um [Speaker 3] (2:27:00 - 2:27:01) Sorry. [Speaker 1] (2:27:02 - 2:27:02) That's okay. [Speaker 1] (2:27:03 - 2:27:05) Where did the 600 number come from? [Speaker 1] (2:27:06 - 2:27:07) Is that for Max [Speaker 2] (2:27:07 - 2:27:07) Max [Speaker 1] (2:27:07 - 2:27:07) saying [Speaker 2] (2:27:07 - 2:27:07) and Max, [Speaker 4] (2:27:07 - 2:27:08) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:27:08 - 2:27:09) Marzi, the veterans, [Speaker 1] (2:27:09 - 2:27:09) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:27:09 - 2:27:09) all met [Speaker 1] (2:27:09 - 2:27:09) So they're [Speaker 2] (2:27:09 - 2:27:09) together. [Speaker 1] (2:27:09 - 2:27:12) saying this is this is what we're gonna need to get this rolling. [Speaker 4] (2:27:13 - 2:27:15) And that's been that has been on the plan. [Speaker 1] (2:27:18 - 2:27:21) But to that point, we all know that some of the numbers on this plan are not [Speaker 3] (2:27:21 - 2:27:22) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:27:22 - 2:27:33) quite accurate. So I understand the the caution, you know, of it really being six hundred thousand, right, when we still get two million for Hawthorne's demolition in here. So how solid is that number? [Speaker 1] (2:27:34 - 2:27:34) Ready? [Speaker 2] (2:27:34 - 2:27:40) Yeah, I think originally it was much higher because it was unclear if they were just using the ground floor, if they were using other floors. There was talk of an elevator, [Speaker 2] (2:27:40 - 2:27:42) there was talk of a lot of things that inflate [Speaker 1] (2:27:42 - 2:27:43) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:27:43 - 2:27:47) that number to close to $1.2 million in the heated conversations originally, [Speaker 2] (2:27:48 - 2:27:50) and then once we sort of got over the... [Speaker 2] (2:27:50 - 2:27:55) Hump, we came back around with clearer heads and came to this number, I think. [Speaker 2] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55) It's [Speaker 3] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55) That's [Speaker 2] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55) a I mean [Speaker 3] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55) six [Speaker 1] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55) do [Speaker 2] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55) we commit [Speaker 3] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55) it? [Speaker 1] (2:27:55 - 2:27:56) to a [Speaker 3] (2:27:56 - 2:27:56) The [Speaker 1] (2:27:56 - 2:27:56) minimum? [Speaker 3] (2:27:56 - 2:27:56) six hundred? [Speaker 1] (2:27:56 - 2:27:57) Six hundred thousand? [Speaker 3] (2:27:57 - 2:27:59) The six hundred Well, that we'd need to [Speaker 2] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59) We [Speaker 3] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59) have [Speaker 2] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59) need to keep [Speaker 3] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59) them [Speaker 2] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59) a number. [Speaker 3] (2:27:59 - 2:28:01) by high and really not the [Speaker 5] (2:28:01 - 2:28:01) Yeah, not [Speaker 3] (2:28:01 - 2:28:01) lower. [Speaker 5] (2:28:01 - 2:28:02) the low not the low end. [Speaker 3] (2:28:02 - 2:28:14) Um this is to make that the ground level entrance in that space what whatever we come up with with them it's accessible, but also making the improvements to that space that they want. [Speaker 3] (2:28:14 - 2:28:15) This does not [Speaker 3] (2:28:15 - 2:28:16) out an elevator [Speaker 2] (2:28:16 - 2:28:16) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:28:16 - 2:28:27) or there are other pieces that in the future I think would be great and beneficial both to the veterans community but the larger community if we did make those improvements to sort of unlock the whole building to [Speaker 2] (2:28:27 - 2:28:27) Yep. [Speaker 3] (2:28:27 - 2:28:28) varied uses. [Speaker 2] (2:28:28 - 2:28:29) Yep. [Speaker 3] (2:28:29 - 2:28:34) This is to make sure that there is a space that is um akin to the canteen [Speaker 2] (2:28:34 - 2:28:34) Yep. [Speaker 3] (2:28:34 - 2:28:35) that's [Speaker 2] (2:28:35 - 2:28:35) And immediately [Speaker 3] (2:28:35 - 2:28:35) available. [Speaker 2] (2:28:35 - 2:28:37) available post relocation. [Speaker 3] (2:28:37 - 2:28:41) Uh right, when we're asking them to leave that we're ready for them to, at least to go. [Speaker 5] (2:28:41 - 2:28:46) So so does this also include any systems improvements? [Speaker 5] (2:28:46 - 2:28:49) Because I d I do I do recall having toured the building that [Speaker 1] (2:28:52 - 2:28:54) I believe there was a need for electrical [Speaker 1] (2:28:54 - 2:29:05) uh a new electrical system. Uh I just wanna make sure that the six hundred thousand dollars not only fixes, you know, I guess brings the canteen from behind [Speaker 1] (2:29:05 - 2:29:13) Pine Street to to Burrell Street, but also gets us to a C_O_ gets us to a building that is it that is up to [Speaker 2] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14) I'm [Speaker 1] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14) i [Speaker 2] (2:29:14 - 2:29:14) abs I'm [Speaker 1] (2:29:14 - 2:29:15) is up to code. [Speaker 2] (2:29:15 - 2:29:15) I'm [Speaker 3] (2:29:15 - 2:29:15) Yes. [Speaker 2] (2:29:15 - 2:29:21) certainly confident that what Max put together gives us what we need to get a C_O_ for sure. [Speaker 2] (2:29:22 - 2:29:42) Um I know wiring throughout the building would be an issue, but if we're going if the demand on that wiring and the demand on the the usage in the building will be focused on that ground level, I assume without having Max here answer the question directly, that it includes improvement system improvements in the space that will be used. I don't know that it means that we're gonna rewire the whole building for future [Speaker 2] (2:29:43 - 2:29:48) potential uses. But I I I know he said that that is part of the concern throughout. [Speaker 2] (2:29:48 - 2:29:52) that as we add something like an elevator and look at potential uses for the [Speaker 2] (2:29:53 - 2:29:54) up [Speaker 1] (2:29:54 - 2:29:54) To the [Speaker 2] (2:29:54 - 2:29:54) stairs [Speaker 1] (2:29:54 - 2:29:54) second and and third [Speaker 2] (2:29:54 - 2:29:56) the second floor, I don't know, you know, [Speaker 1] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56) the [Speaker 2] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56) second [Speaker 1] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56) ballroom. [Speaker 2] (2:29:56 - 2:30:12) third, first second, um that there are other improvements that certainly would need to be made overall to again unlock the whole building as opposed to making sure that they have a space that's reasonably suited that they help us design um and ready to go when they need it. [Speaker 2] (2:30:14 - 2:30:18) So, I'm just looking back at minutes. I actually don't think it happened in December. [Speaker 2] (2:30:19 - 2:30:23) Because this that's when we took the very contentious vote. [Speaker 2] (2:30:23 - 2:30:29) I don't think this happened at that same time. I think this happened a couple months later, [Speaker 2] (2:30:29 - 2:30:33) actually, we kind of came back around to a resolution. [Speaker 2] (2:30:33 - 2:30:37) So I would ask you to kind of look at the minutes. [Speaker 2] (2:30:37 - 2:30:45) And the only reason I'm harping on this is because we spent a fair amount of time kind of with KP and everything trying to figure out like what the right language was. [Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:51) so we can recreate the wheel here but it's there somewhere either that I'm totally [Speaker 1] (2:30:51 - 2:30:52) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:30:52 - 2:30:53) losing my mind but [Speaker 1] (2:30:53 - 2:30:54) I'm sure [Speaker 2] (2:30:54 - 2:31:03) I think we definitely I can remember very clearly you know sorry I didn't go hunting for it I can do that tonight or whatever but so [Speaker 2] (2:31:06 - 2:31:15) So I I apologize also because I wasn't completely listening to the conversation so I don't know where So where I we will go forward in additional months to look and identify it. [Speaker 1] (2:31:15 - 2:31:15) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:31:17 - 2:31:19) To the point that was raised earlier, [Speaker 2] (2:31:19 - 2:31:20) are you comfortable, [Speaker 2] (2:31:20 - 2:31:22) the CEO will not be issued before December. [Speaker 2] (2:31:23 - 2:31:26) So would you be comfortable with us continuing to explore that to make sure. [Speaker 2] (2:31:27 - 2:31:36) that it if there was exact language that we did not yet identify that we can address that bring it to the board as it's composed in the future and say that for [Speaker 1] (2:31:36 - 2:31:37) Default Town Meeting. [Speaker 2] (2:31:37 - 2:31:43) the fall town meeting we want an article to address this request that was made early in 25 is what I'm getting to [Speaker 1] (2:31:43 - 2:31:44) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:31:44 - 2:31:54) make sure that we reflect that discussion by the board and obviously three of the members will still be the same and I think you all have made very clear what your opinions are and hopefully future [Speaker 2] (2:31:55 - 2:32:03) The composition of the board would be willing to you know you can't bind them but certainly be willing to support something like this because it's to make right the [Speaker 1] (2:32:03 - 2:32:04) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:32:04 - 2:32:09) change in the conditions for the veterans which was also something that's meant to increase housing like there's a lot of competing [Speaker 1] (2:32:09 - 2:32:10) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:32:10 - 2:32:10) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:32:10 - 2:32:16) but forward-looking priorities all together here that we would ask for that article to be in December if that's okay. [Speaker 1] (2:32:16 - 2:32:17) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:32:18 - 2:32:19) It's going to have to be right now. [Speaker 2] (2:32:20 - 2:32:24) And where did you guys, did you guys resolve on whether the 600,000 is enough for now or how [Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24) That [Speaker 2] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24) to approach [Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24) was still [Speaker 2] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24) that? [Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:25) open. [Speaker 2] (2:32:25 - 2:32:26) That's still open, okay. [Speaker 2] (2:32:28 - 2:32:34) So what do you, what do you all think we should do in that regard? [Speaker 2] (2:32:37 - 2:32:38) Maybe, [Speaker 2] (2:32:38 - 2:32:39) do we have any sense, [Speaker 2] (2:32:39 - 2:32:42) because you could say the same thing about addition, [Speaker 2] (2:32:42 - 2:32:46) if there's a need for additional funding, you take that up in the fall as well. [Speaker 2] (2:32:46 - 2:32:47) Um [Speaker 1] (2:32:47 - 2:32:47) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:32:47 - 2:33:09) right. So but I assume this I number think didn't there might come out it's of thin air. I mean this was a revised it's It's from the efforts of Max and Marcy talking to the veterans prior to my beginning and then also having met there a couple times with them since and to Patrick's point it's been on the it's been a number I'm accepting for Danielle's point about demolition that some things are not [Speaker 2] (2:33:10 - 2:33:23) maybe perfectly accurate, this has been on there for a couple years. Um I there might be utility instead of waiting for the fall to, you know, again raise the ceiling with the idea that we're gonna keep it as economical as possible. [Speaker 2] (2:33:23 - 2:33:31) Um if you all think that there is a real expectation that it's gonna be over six hundred, despite the fact that we put this together. [Speaker 6] (2:33:32 - 2:33:35) I think we have no way to know. We truly don't at this point, right? [Speaker 6] (2:33:36 - 2:33:36) Um [Speaker 6] (2:33:38 - 2:33:44) we have no concept of plan, what specifically scope. I mean, we really have no way to know. [Speaker 2] (2:33:45 - 2:33:58) And my experience in the last seven months with Max is that he kind of thinks that way. So that he's not saying six hundred knowing that we're going to be at five ninety nine and we'll be fine. It he tries to he's [Speaker 6] (2:33:58 - 2:33:58) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:33:58 - 2:34:03) reasonable about the fact that there needs to be a contingency for things that are unforeseen. [Speaker 2] (2:34:04 - 2:34:14) But, you know, if we're putting out the the uh sewer rehab at least until December, if not beyond, if there's other things that are coming off there [Speaker 6] (2:34:14 - 2:34:15) Right, you would potentially [Speaker 2] (2:34:15 - 2:34:16) there could [Speaker 6] (2:34:16 - 2:34:16) have be more [Speaker 2] (2:34:16 - 2:34:16) potentially [Speaker 6] (2:34:16 - 2:34:16) room. [Speaker 2] (2:34:16 - 2:34:24) be an opportunity where you can say there's some breathing room that we're creating with our amendments that we would like to raise this so that we make sure that all the funds necessary are available. [Speaker 6] (2:34:26 - 2:34:27) That makes sense. [Speaker 6] (2:34:27 - 2:34:28) Sounds good. [Speaker 7] (2:34:28 - 2:34:30) Okay, so move this to what, a million? [Speaker 7] (2:34:36 - 2:34:41) Is that what we're, I mean, it's like we're kind of throwing a dart here. I mean, [Speaker 8] (2:34:41 - 2:34:42) I know, I [Speaker 7] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42) when [Speaker 8] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42) mean [Speaker 7] (2:34:42 - 2:34:44) you said, when you said sounds good, Mary Ellen, what were you saying? [Speaker 6] (2:34:44 - 2:34:54) Well, I just, we get recommendation from our facility director. So I'm pretty good with that recommendation from the soli facility director. If there has to be a change made or an addition at a later time, [Speaker 7] (2:34:54 - 2:34:54) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:34:54 - 2:34:57) make a change or an addition later time, I mean. [Speaker 7] (2:34:58 - 2:35:04) And it's again, I apologize if you guys just talked about this. So the the estimate here. [Speaker 2] (2:35:05 - 2:35:16) Because on one hand I'm hearing this number had been around for a while and on the other hand I'm hearing did was this a fresh estimate for everything that needs to be done to meet the needs of the veterans that that's what landed [Speaker 6] (2:35:16 - 2:35:16) Is this [Speaker 2] (2:35:16 - 2:35:16) us [Speaker 6] (2:35:16 - 2:35:16) a [Speaker 2] (2:35:16 - 2:35:17) at written 600 [Speaker 6] (2:35:17 - 2:35:17) estimate? [Speaker 2] (2:35:17 - 2:35:17) ,000? [Speaker 6] (2:35:17 - 2:35:18) Is this further? [Speaker 2] (2:35:18 - 2:35:22) 'Cause we don't we wouldn't have a written estimate 'cause we haven't had a contractor [Speaker 7] (2:35:22 - 2:35:22) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:35:22 - 2:35:31) come in and an informed suggestion from our facilities director based on what they've been talking about going back which is that ground floor space. [Speaker 2] (2:35:32 - 2:35:38) being, you know, renovated for lack of a better phrase, to meet the needs as they've been described. [Speaker 7] (2:35:38 - 2:35:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 2] (2:35:38 - 2:35:51) Um and make sure that there's space that's available. I I can't, beyond the fact that Max has put this together, I can't add a lot of colour to how accurate it is. As I said, I do trust when he puts together a price like this because [Speaker 2] (2:35:52 - 2:35:59) You know, even when we were talking today about the design of the parking lot and the solar canopy and things like that, he was saying like that's something I considered, [Speaker 2] (2:35:59 - 2:36:02) that's something I talked intrinsically about. He is very thoughtful about putting these together. [Speaker 7] (2:36:02 - 2:36:02) Sure. [Speaker 2] (2:36:02 - 2:36:14) I do not believe, you know, you said we're kind of throwing a dart. I feel like if I give you a number that's not the one that he's put together in a reasonable way and then present it to us and C_I_C_ that I'm also throwing a dart and not really helping you all at all. [Speaker 6] (2:36:15 - 2:36:15) Yep, that's fair. [Speaker 2] (2:36:17 - 2:36:41) Yeah, and my only question is not at all about an estimate that Max does, but it's more in the conversate is there any possibility that there's daylight in the conversations between Max or Marcy and the vets and everything in terms of how much should they're really taking into consideration and whether or not something's being made handicapped accessible or the elevator or this or that and you know like whose version of like what the estimate was supposed to be about is that [Speaker 7] (2:36:42 - 2:36:54) completely and given this whole situation from the beginning in a way it you know it would be nicer if it was perfectly clear obviously [Speaker 9] (2:37:01 - 2:37:05) So, what is the suggested solution, [Speaker 9] (2:37:05 - 2:37:05) Doug? [Speaker 9] (2:37:06 - 2:37:12) Is everyone's behind you and everybody wants to see that you're satisfied because we've all committed to this? [Speaker 9] (2:37:13 - 2:37:18) And we all continue to commit to it. So like I know we're putting it on you, but [Speaker 6] (2:37:20 - 2:37:37) Well, I have a recommendation. Why don't we leave it at the six hundred, have Max give us an update by the next meeting, and if we have to make an adjustment, make an adjustment, make an a adjustment or an amendment on the floor to increase it to where we're gonna need to be. And then we're gonna have to be prepared for in the future. [Speaker 6] (2:37:38 - 2:37:46) um for possible more adjustments. And we also have Marzy applying for disability uh [Speaker 9] (2:37:46 - 2:37:46) Right. [Speaker 6] (2:37:46 - 2:37:58) grants which she feels pretty confident we're gonna be able to get. So it's a work in progress. But I think if we agree to this amount, and then follow up with Max, make an adjustment if we have to make an adjustment, [Speaker 6] (2:38:00 - 2:38:01) would that work for you? [Speaker 9] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:38:03 - 2:38:04) That sounds good. [Speaker 2] (2:38:09 - 2:38:11) Okay, so we [Speaker 9] (2:38:11 - 2:38:14) So who's um so we're gonna I'm [Speaker 2] (2:38:14 - 2:38:15) gonna make a motion for amendment [Speaker 9] (2:38:15 - 2:38:16) sure I [Speaker 2] (2:38:16 - 2:38:16) on [Speaker 9] (2:38:16 - 2:38:16) want to hear it [Speaker 2] (2:38:16 - 2:38:16) the budget, [Speaker 9] (2:38:16 - 2:38:17) are [Speaker 2] (2:38:17 - 2:38:17) right? [Speaker 9] (2:38:17 - 2:38:19) you drafting said amendment? [Speaker 2] (2:38:19 - 2:38:21) Yes, right now. Here it comes. [Speaker 2] (2:38:21 - 2:38:22) Okay. [Speaker 9] (2:38:22 - 2:38:23) You ready Shannon? [Speaker 2] (2:38:24 - 2:38:33) So I move that we amend the Finance Committee approved [Speaker 2] (2:38:34 - 2:38:37) capital budget in the following ways, [Speaker 2] (2:38:37 - 2:38:38) that [Speaker 2] (2:38:41 - 2:38:44) in item 11, [Speaker 1] (2:38:53 - 2:38:55) on a [Speaker 1] (2:38:57 - 2:39:08) revalidation of that amount by the town administrator and staff that it will be sufficient. [Speaker 1] (2:39:10 - 2:39:15) to meet the full needs of the veterans. [Speaker 2] (2:39:17 - 2:39:21) So if that condition is met, then no such amendment would be made on town meeting floor. [Speaker 1] (2:39:22 - 2:39:24) Correct, that um um we're [Speaker 2] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24) And [Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24) we're [Speaker 2] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24) I was [Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24) concurring [Speaker 2] (2:39:24 - 2:39:25) just wanting to make sure. [Speaker 1] (2:39:25 - 2:39:26) we're concurring with the 600 contingent [Speaker 2] (2:39:26 - 2:39:27) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:39:27 - 2:39:28) on the fact that it [Speaker 2] (2:39:28 - 2:39:30) I'm just asking for clarity so we on [Speaker 1] (2:39:30 - 2:39:30) So [Speaker 2] (2:39:30 - 2:39:34) 18 do exactly what we commit to. [Speaker 1] (2:39:35 - 2:39:37) Can I just ask the are you [Speaker 1] (2:39:38 - 2:39:41) Drafting here the amendment that you want for town meeting. [Speaker 3] (2:39:41 - 2:39:41) Yes. [Speaker 1] (2:39:42 - 2:39:44) So that will already have happened or [Speaker 2] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44) That [Speaker 1] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44) not will happen [Speaker 2] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44) already [Speaker 1] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44) have by [Speaker 2] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44) happened. [Speaker 1] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44) then. [Speaker 2] (2:39:44 - 2:39:47) That's why I was clarifying also. So [Speaker 2] (2:39:48 - 2:39:49) if [Speaker 1] (2:39:49 - 2:39:52) Assuming Max comes in and says it's 750 or it's 600, [Speaker 2] (2:39:52 - 2:39:53) then that [Speaker 1] (2:39:53 - 2:39:56) your amendment is the number that Max says is appropriate, [Speaker 1] (2:39:56 - 2:39:57) right? [Speaker 1] (2:39:58 - 2:39:59) Okay, you want me to re-refund [Speaker 2] (2:39:59 - 2:40:00) No, no, no, no. We're just [Speaker 4] (2:40:00 - 2:40:01) now I'm just clarifying so that [Speaker 2] (2:40:01 - 2:40:02) Clarification [Speaker 4] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02) yep. [Speaker 2] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02) on that. [Speaker 5] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02) Yep. [Speaker 5] (2:40:02 - 2:40:02) Yep. [Speaker 4] (2:40:02 - 2:40:03) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:40:03 - 2:40:07) So it is either 600 if confirmed or the number by which Max confirms. [Speaker 5] (2:40:07 - 2:40:08) Or Y. [Speaker 5] (2:40:08 - 2:40:09) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (2:40:09 - 2:40:09) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:40:09 - 2:40:09) Correct. [Speaker 2] (2:40:09 - 2:40:10) Or Y. [Speaker 1] (2:40:10 - 2:40:13) Do you understand that? Okay, got it. Alright. [Speaker 1] (2:40:14 - 2:40:14) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:40:15 - 2:40:17) On line 39, [Speaker 1] (2:40:18 - 2:40:22) we are removing this. [Speaker 1] (2:40:25 - 2:40:26) For this year. [Speaker 4] (2:40:27 - 2:40:27) Pushing it to [Speaker 2] (2:40:27 - 2:40:27) Pushing [Speaker 4] (2:40:27 - 2:40:27) another year. [Speaker 2] (2:40:27 - 2:40:28) it to an out year. [Speaker 1] (2:40:28 - 2:40:28) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:40:32 - 2:40:34) On line 56, [Speaker 1] (2:40:36 - 2:40:42) actually we're concurring with the finance committee on that. So there's no amendment to that. They've already struck that. [Speaker 2] (2:40:44 - 2:40:45) Not the clact they w [Speaker 4] (2:40:46 - 2:40:48) Now he's talking about 56 which is the tech [Speaker 2] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48) 56. Oh, the 56. [Speaker 4] (2:40:48 - 2:40:49) improvements and [Speaker 2] (2:40:49 - 2:40:49) Yeah, [Speaker 4] (2:40:49 - 2:40:49) the [Speaker 2] (2:40:49 - 2:40:51) the system this is part of things. [Speaker 4] (2:40:51 - 2:40:51) Jim [Speaker 2] (2:40:51 - 2:40:52) Yep, you got it. Sorry. [Speaker 1] (2:40:53 - 2:40:58) We are removing for now line 63, [Speaker 1] (2:40:58 - 2:40:59) pushing [Speaker 2] (2:41:00 - 2:41:01) Pushing to December. [Speaker 1] (2:41:01 - 2:41:07) to December subject to further discussion about betterments. [Speaker 2] (2:41:07 - 2:41:09) You have to add back in 33. [Speaker 1] (2:41:09 - 2:41:13) And on line 33, [Speaker 2] (2:41:13 - 2:41:14) God bless you. [Speaker 1] (2:41:14 - 2:41:15) we [Speaker 1] (2:41:17 - 2:41:18) are [Speaker 1] (2:41:19 - 2:41:28) recommending the three hundred thousand with the hundred and fifty thousand coming from a grant. [Speaker 1] (2:41:29 - 2:41:34) Ideally the first hundred and fifty thousand comes from a grant, which is [Speaker 4] (2:41:34 - 2:41:35) how Max described [Speaker 2] (2:41:35 - 2:41:35) Is that [Speaker 4] (2:41:35 - 2:41:35) it this [Speaker 2] (2:41:35 - 2:41:35) right? [Speaker 4] (2:41:35 - 2:41:35) morning. [Speaker 1] (2:41:36 - 2:41:36) Right. [Speaker 4] (2:41:36 - 2:41:38) Especially as we started to narrow what design [Speaker 2] (2:41:38 - 2:41:38) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (2:41:38 - 2:41:40) meant in the case of this project. [Speaker 6] (2:41:40 - 2:41:41) So it's line 33. [Speaker 2] (2:41:41 - 2:41:42) Add back. [Speaker 1] (2:41:42 - 2:41:43) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:41:48 - 2:41:49) That's all. [Speaker 7] (2:41:50 - 2:41:50) That's it. [Speaker 7] (2:41:51 - 2:41:52) Second. [Speaker 2] (2:41:53 - 2:42:01) Okay, so all in favor of voting to support the amendment as proposed by the vice chair. [Speaker 7] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02) Aye. [Speaker 7] (2:42:02 - 2:42:03) Aye. [Speaker 1] (2:42:03 - 2:42:03) Aye. [Speaker 7] (2:42:03 - 2:42:04) Aye. [Speaker 2] (2:42:04 - 2:42:05) Great. [Speaker 1] (2:42:06 - 2:42:07) Okay, did you vote? [Speaker 2] (2:42:07 - 2:42:08) I did, I said aye. [Speaker 7] (2:42:08 - 2:42:08) Doug. [Speaker 2] (2:42:08 - 2:42:09) Doug, sorry. [Speaker 2] (2:42:10 - 2:42:11) Doug made the motion. Vice chair. [Speaker 2] (2:42:12 - 2:42:14) Danielle seconded. [Speaker 2] (2:42:17 - 2:42:20) Just to be really clear. I am an aye for Doug. [Speaker 2] (2:42:21 - 2:42:24) Okay. Um article ten we already voted on. [Speaker 8] (2:42:24 - 2:42:24) Yep. [Speaker 2] (2:42:24 - 2:42:32) Article eleven is the prohibiting the use of anti-coagulant rodenticides on town property. [Speaker 2] (2:42:34 - 2:42:35) Um [Speaker 4] (2:42:36 - 2:42:37) It's a just [Speaker 2] (2:42:37 - 2:42:37) so [Speaker 4] (2:42:37 - 2:42:37) that's [Speaker 2] (2:42:37 - 2:42:37) this yep. [Speaker 4] (2:42:37 - 2:42:38) listed twice because [Speaker 8] (2:42:38 - 2:42:39) Right. [Speaker 2] (2:42:39 - 2:42:39) we [Speaker 8] (2:42:39 - 2:42:39) You can't [Speaker 2] (2:42:39 - 2:42:40) need to remove [Speaker 4] (2:42:40 - 2:42:40) correct. [Speaker 8] (2:42:40 - 2:42:40) this. We need to remove [Speaker 4] (2:42:40 - 2:42:40) On [Speaker 8] (2:42:40 - 2:42:41) it from here. [Speaker 4] (2:42:41 - 2:42:42) the floor, correct. [Speaker 2] (2:42:42 - 2:42:42) So it's [Speaker 2] (2:42:42 - 2:42:44) So we will so this will be so [Speaker 4] (2:42:44 - 2:42:45) I think David has a question. [Speaker 2] (2:42:45 - 2:42:55) this will be proposed as proposed by the select board and then we will invite the citizen to indefinitely postpone the citizens position correct [Speaker 4] (2:42:55 - 2:42:56) Correct. [Speaker 9] (2:42:56 - 2:42:56) Okay. [Speaker 2] (2:42:56 - 2:42:57) okay so so [Speaker 9] (2:42:57 - 2:42:59) It's 11 and 12, though. [Speaker 2] (2:42:59 - 2:43:04) for 11 I will entertain a motion to support article 11 I [Speaker 1] (2:43:04 - 2:43:05) So moved. [Speaker 2] (2:43:05 - 2:43:06) get a second [Speaker 9] (2:43:06 - 2:43:07) Second. [Speaker 2] (2:43:08 - 2:43:10) all of the session where we can move on [Speaker 9] (2:43:10 - 2:43:10) Bye. [Speaker 2] (2:43:10 - 2:43:12) all in favour? [Speaker 1] (2:43:12 - 2:43:12) Aye. [Speaker 2] (2:43:12 - 2:43:14) Aye. Any else says aye. [Speaker 9] (2:43:14 - 2:43:14) Motion carries. [Speaker 2] (2:43:14 - 2:43:37) We're all in aye. Okay, so the citizens petition we don't opine on right now, but the idea would be that because we will hopefully have passed it as article eleven, article twelve would be indefinitely postponed. Article thirteen is also a citizens petition. I just want to say because uh publicly for whomever is listening and whoever might read the minutes, just a clarification on citizens petition. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but Doug and I had a [Speaker 2] (2:43:36 - 2:43:44) had a resident who was quite perturbed that we were focused on foie gras and not other more pressing town matters. [Speaker 2] (2:43:44 - 2:43:51) Citizens petitions are a matter of democracy and any citizen can get enough petitioners to agree with them to put something on the warrant. [Speaker 2] (2:43:51 - 2:43:52) Although it is our warrant, [Speaker 2] (2:43:52 - 2:43:54) it is a mechanism of democracy. [Speaker 2] (2:43:54 - 2:43:58) So these are, we don't take a position on these. [Speaker 2] (2:43:58 - 2:44:02) Citizen comes forward and you know at the will of town meeting. [Speaker 2] (2:44:02 - 2:44:04) tries to get them passed, so [Speaker 10] (2:44:04 - 2:44:07) So so for the for the public is it it's ten signatures to get [Speaker 2] (2:44:07 - 2:44:07) I [Speaker 10] (2:44:07 - 2:44:07) on? [Speaker 2] (2:44:07 - 2:44:08) yeah [Speaker 4] (2:44:08 - 2:44:09) Yes. [Speaker 2] (2:44:09 - 2:44:11) yeah ten ten signatures to get on the warrant. [Speaker 9] (2:44:11 - 2:44:15) Up until feb the third week of February or the second week of February. [Speaker 2] (2:44:15 - 2:44:16) For [Speaker 4] (2:44:16 - 2:44:16) Yes, [Speaker 2] (2:44:16 - 2:44:16) the spring [Speaker 4] (2:44:16 - 2:44:20) so going forward we will my hope and [Speaker 4] (2:44:21 - 2:44:30) sincere wish is that the opening and closing will happen far in advance in the way it does in some other communities so that there's plenty of time for discussion and folks are well aware, but yes, it is [Speaker 4] (2:44:31 - 2:44:32) I believe the second week in February, [Speaker 9] (2:44:33 - 2:44:33) Right. [Speaker 4] (2:44:33 - 2:44:45) we'll be sharing a timeline in June for when they're due for the December town meeting as well. Katie's going to come to a meeting in June to walk through the process. It will also be ten signatures for the fall town meeting because they're both annual at this point. [Speaker 10] (2:44:45 - 2:44:46) Hmm. [Speaker 4] (2:44:46 - 2:44:48) It used to be that it was ten for annual and I think [Speaker 9] (2:44:48 - 2:44:48) A [Speaker 4] (2:44:48 - 2:44:48) two [Speaker 9] (2:44:48 - 2:44:48) hundred. [Speaker 4] (2:44:48 - 2:44:58) hundred or some or two fifty even for um a special town meeting. So this is something that I think we can look forward to for all town meetings going forward. And [Speaker 4] (2:44:59 - 2:45:04) We'll be able to share that timeline immediately following every town meeting going forward [Speaker 2] (2:45:04 - 2:45:10) Okay. Also article 14, the citizens petition which restricts open wood fires in the town of Swan Scott, [Speaker 2] (2:45:10 - 2:45:12) we've already, [Speaker 2] (2:45:12 - 2:45:19) even though we don't opine on it, we've already given our feelings on that. And then that brings us to the end of the warrant. [Speaker 2] (2:45:23 - 2:45:30) So, um we have to vote to we do, wait, we have to vote to agree to ex to [Speaker 4] (2:45:30 - 2:45:30) Electronic [Speaker 2] (2:45:30 - 2:45:31) electronically [Speaker 4] (2:45:31 - 2:45:31) replaces signatures. [Speaker 2] (2:45:31 - 2:45:42) sign so that um you all don't have to show up to Shannon's office tomorrow to sign it. So I will take a motion to allow your name to be affixed to the warrant. [Speaker 9] (2:45:43 - 2:45:43) Second. [Speaker 10] (2:45:43 - 2:45:44) So moved. [Speaker 10] (2:45:44 - 2:45:44) So moved. [Speaker 9] (2:45:45 - 2:45:46) Second. [Speaker 2] (2:45:46 - 2:45:47) All in favour? [Speaker 4] (2:45:47 - 2:45:47) Aye. [Speaker 2] (2:45:47 - 2:45:48) Aye, okay. [Speaker 2] (2:45:50 - 2:46:04) So now that we have the ability to do that, um the next item will be for us to go through post-election to determine who will um speak at town meeting. And um I nominate Doug for all articles. [Speaker 9] (2:46:05 - 2:46:05) We need to [Speaker 4] (2:46:05 - 2:46:05) Second. [Speaker 9] (2:46:05 - 2:46:06) do that tonight, [Speaker 2] (2:46:06 - 2:46:06) So [Speaker 9] (2:46:06 - 2:46:06) so. [Speaker 2] (2:46:06 - 2:46:18) no, we don't need to do that tonight, because there'll be um there'll be more people actually. Although I think the women will be doing the yeoman's work since they will have just got here, and hopefully some of them will. [Speaker 2] (2:46:19 - 2:46:19) Um [Speaker 4] (2:46:19 - 2:46:20) It's always [Speaker 9] (2:46:20 - 2:46:20) I [Speaker 4] (2:46:20 - 2:46:20) the nominate way, [Speaker 9] (2:46:20 - 2:46:20) Doug [Speaker 4] (2:46:20 - 2:46:20) isn't it? [Speaker 9] (2:46:20 - 2:46:21) still. [Speaker 2] (2:46:21 - 2:46:23) Doug I won't argue with that. [Speaker 2] (2:46:25 - 2:46:29) Alright so we are gonna go back to the lease, 'cause we skipped over that. [Speaker 2] (2:46:29 - 2:46:30) Um. [Speaker 4] (2:46:31 - 2:46:31) So [Speaker 2] (2:46:31 - 2:46:32) So going yes please. [Speaker 4] (2:46:32 - 2:46:33) do you want me to [Speaker 2] (2:46:33 - 2:46:33) I do, [Speaker 4] (2:46:33 - 2:46:34) think? Okay, [Speaker 2] (2:46:34 - 2:46:34) would love [Speaker 4] (2:46:34 - 2:46:34) so [Speaker 2] (2:46:34 - 2:46:34) it. [Speaker 4] (2:46:34 - 2:46:44) there was back and forth last week about insurances. The final draft got to uh the proponents at twelve forty two today. [Speaker 4] (2:46:44 - 2:46:55) Um so I just wanna highlight things in here that were, you know, sort of either changes or things that were open in the draft that originally uh went out as part of the electronic document. [Speaker 4] (2:46:56 - 2:47:05) Um one is section seven point three which is extraordinary repairs. Just one second. Just let me just Can you say that again, Nick? [Speaker 4] (2:47:05 - 2:47:08) Section 7.3 extraordinary repairs is one I wanted to highlight. [Speaker 2] (2:47:08 - 2:47:15) So this is the differences between the attack the form lease that was attached to the RFP versus what was negotiated [Speaker 4] (2:47:16 - 2:47:30) And so on extraordinary repairs there was a question around if a repair knowing that we have said explicitly there will not be capital money spent by the town was there an opportunity to say acknowledging sort of the condition of the property. [Speaker 4] (2:47:31 - 2:47:38) That is there a number at which we could enter into discussion whether it's around abatement or even determine if it's near the end of the lease? [Speaker 4] (2:47:39 - 2:47:40) If it if a gr [Speaker 9] (2:47:40 - 2:47:42) Say that again. What [Speaker 4] (2:47:42 - 2:47:42) Sure. [Speaker 9] (2:47:42 - 2:47:43) number you're looking for? [Speaker 2] (2:47:43 - 2:47:43) Seven point three. [Speaker 4] (2:47:43 - 2:47:44) Point three in [Speaker 2] (2:47:44 - 2:47:45) Page seven. [Speaker 4] (2:47:45 - 2:47:45) in the document. [Speaker 9] (2:47:45 - 2:47:46) Thank you. [Speaker 4] (2:47:47 - 2:47:47) Um [Speaker 9] (2:47:47 - 2:47:47) Yep. [Speaker 4] (2:47:47 - 2:47:55) so the number that we landed on was if a repair an estimate that they provide to us for a repair that's beyond thirty thousand dollars. [Speaker 4] (2:47:56 - 2:48:12) There's an opportunity to have a discussion around potential abatements, but also if it's in the back end of the lease and there would not be an opportunity to make up that difference in any way, that there's the opportunity to have a discussion between the town and the proponent to say we will mutually agree to terminate. [Speaker 4] (2:48:12 - 2:48:17) And this is again an acknowledgement of the fact that we are very clear that we are not spending any dollars. [Speaker 4] (2:48:18 - 2:48:27) And also just to be reasonable to someone that's coming into a space uh and understanding some of the risk that they're taking on, especially as you get to the end of a short-term agreement like that. [Speaker 1] (2:48:27 - 2:48:29) Where does it say the end? [Speaker 9] (2:48:29 - 2:48:30) Seven point three. [Speaker 2] (2:48:30 - 2:48:30) At the e [Speaker 9] (2:48:31 - 2:48:32) Stretch seven. [Speaker 1] (2:48:32 - 2:48:33) Where does it say at the end of the lease? [Speaker 2] (2:48:33 - 2:48:39) The sole remedy in the case of extraordinary repair being required at the premises shall be to terminate this lease by giving written notice [Speaker 2] (2:48:41 - 2:48:48) No, I I was understanding Nick to say that this only would pertain if it was towards the end of the lease. [Speaker 3] (2:48:48 - 2:48:48) Oh, that was [Speaker 1] (2:48:48 - 2:48:49) No. [Speaker 3] (2:48:49 - 2:48:50) th that's his editorial. [Speaker 4] (2:48:50 - 2:48:59) That's the editorial comment. It it's the idea that if there was an extraordinary repair that's necessary in the last two, three, six months that exceeds this number, [Speaker 4] (2:49:00 - 2:49:03) that we're not going to hold them to continue to operate when we're saying we will not come [Speaker 4] (2:49:03 - 2:49:04) will not fix it. [Speaker 2] (2:49:05 - 2:49:07) Okay, but the way this reads, [Speaker 2] (2:49:07 - 2:49:11) doesn't this give them that outage any [Speaker 1] (2:49:11 - 2:49:11) Yes. [Speaker 2] (2:49:11 - 2:49:12) time during [Speaker 1] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12) Correct. [Speaker 2] (2:49:12 - 2:49:13) the lease? [Speaker 1] (2:49:13 - 2:49:16) It's not limited to a time frame. It's I mean the whole lease term is only [Speaker 3] (2:49:18 - 2:49:18) Twenty six [Speaker 4] (2:49:18 - 2:49:19) six. [Speaker 3] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19) months. [Speaker 4] (2:49:19 - 2:49:20) I believe it's 26, [Speaker 1] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20) 26, [Speaker 4] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20) yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:49:20 - 2:49:22) 25 months at this point. [Speaker 2] (2:49:25 - 2:49:30) Okay, but so three months from now they could be in there and there could be a big issue that happens and they could say. [Speaker 2] (2:49:31 - 2:49:32) Never mind, I want to get out. [Speaker 1] (2:49:33 - 2:49:34) So long as it's over $30,000. [Speaker 2] (2:49:36 - 2:49:37) Okay, but that was not in the RFP. [Speaker 4] (2:49:38 - 2:49:40) No, it was not in the RFP. [Speaker 4] (2:49:40 - 2:49:43) It was a discussion that we had as part of the negotiation. [Speaker 1] (2:49:44 - 2:49:51) But what was in the RFP and what we've discussed publicly is that we are not going to capitally improve any [Speaker 2] (2:49:51 - 2:49:51) Sorry, [Speaker 2] (2:49:51 - 2:49:51) I get. [Speaker 1] (2:49:51 - 2:49:52) of the property, [Speaker 1] (2:49:52 - 2:49:53) right? [Speaker 1] (2:49:53 - 2:49:59) And so like they want to cap their liability. [Speaker 5] (2:50:01 - 2:50:01) No. [Speaker 1] (2:50:03 - 2:50:07) Well, then the answer is then they don't they don't enter into a lease. [Speaker 1] (2:50:07 - 2:50:09) I mean potentially right? [Speaker 1] (2:50:09 - 2:50:10) I I'm [Speaker 5] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10) Well, [Speaker 1] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10) not the [Speaker 5] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10) is that, [Speaker 1] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10) one doing [Speaker 5] (2:50:10 - 2:50:11) I mean, [Speaker 1] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11) the [Speaker 5] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11) is that [Speaker 1] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11) negotiation [Speaker 5] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11) the deal [Speaker 3] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11) Yeah. [Speaker 5] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11) breaker? [Speaker 4] (2:50:11 - 2:50:12) I'm still working [Speaker 5] (2:50:12 - 2:50:12) Is [Speaker 4] (2:50:12 - 2:50:12) with [Speaker 5] (2:50:12 - 2:50:12) that what, [Speaker 5] (2:50:13 - 2:50:13) I [Speaker 5] (2:50:15 - 2:50:16) mean, that's just, [Speaker 2] (2:50:16 - 2:50:16) Is [Speaker 5] (2:50:16 - 2:50:17) that's [Speaker 2] (2:50:17 - 2:50:18) it something they're insisting on? [Speaker 4] (2:50:19 - 2:50:19) Yes. [Speaker 4] (2:50:20 - 2:50:23) And they had requested a lower number. [Speaker 4] (2:50:23 - 2:50:24) We started a higher number. [Speaker 4] (2:50:24 - 2:50:27) This is closer to our number than theirs. [Speaker 4] (2:50:29 - 2:50:31) It they're moving into a space that you [Speaker 4] (2:50:33 - 2:50:33) You know [Speaker 1] (2:50:33 - 2:50:35) And we all acknowledge has [Speaker 4] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35) We acknowledge the [Speaker 5] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35) Well, [Speaker 4] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35) condition [Speaker 5] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35) exactly. [Speaker 2] (2:50:35 - 2:50:38) but it may that's the point but everyone's known [Speaker 5] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) You [Speaker 2] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) that [Speaker 5] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) said [Speaker 2] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) all [Speaker 5] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) it [Speaker 2] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) along [Speaker 5] (2:50:38 - 2:50:38) as is. [Speaker 2] (2:50:38 - 2:50:44) thirty thousand seems pretty low I mean, I think anyone that heard about the place would guess [Speaker 2] (2:50:45 - 2:50:47) That seems like a pretty high likelihood that something for $30,000 [Speaker 4] (2:50:47 - 2:50:47) Of course. [Speaker 2] (2:50:47 - 2:50:48) is going to happen there. [Speaker 4] (2:50:49 - 2:50:49) I don't know that [Speaker 1] (2:50:49 - 2:50:51) Well, I think this is it. Sorry, [Speaker 1] (2:50:51 - 2:50:51) Nick. [Speaker 4] (2:50:51 - 2:50:52) No, go ahead. [Speaker 1] (2:50:52 - 2:51:02) I said it says so this shall not include an ordinary or normal day-to-day maintenance or repair or upkeep to any work that is necessary as a result of like them operating the premises. [Speaker 1] (2:51:02 - 2:51:06) So it's not just like the HVAC works on day one and then it stops working, [Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:08) you know, six months in. [Speaker 1] (2:51:08 - 2:51:10) It is like the roof collapses. [Speaker 5] (2:51:13 - 2:51:13) Well, but [Speaker 4] (2:51:14 - 2:51:15) Can we stop using that as an example? [Speaker 1] (2:51:16 - 2:51:18) I mean we could but I mean what do you want to No, like [Speaker 4] (2:51:18 - 2:51:19) I'm just I'm being facetious. [Speaker 1] (2:51:19 - 2:51:30) say the like I think it's meant for an extraordinary extraordinary repair not the maintenance day-to-day maintenance of [Speaker 5] (2:51:30 - 2:51:32) But what does normal day-to-day maintenance mean? [Speaker 5] (2:51:33 - 2:51:39) I mean how do you how do you qualify that that could be anything right I mean [Speaker 5] (2:51:40 - 2:52:05) But the HVAC goes in the middle of summer and nobody wants to go in there because it's 100 degrees is that does that fall into that category or not does it have to be the roof falling like what kind of parameters do we have it's just day-to-day maintenance what does that mean to me I mean that's that's how I'm reading it that is necessary any repair work or upkeep that is necessary [Speaker 5] (2:52:09 - 2:52:10) I mean, we [Speaker 5] (2:52:11 - 2:52:19) said as is. To me, that is it. That I I I'm not comfortable with this at all. [Speaker 5] (2:52:20 - 2:52:22) It gives them an out. It gives them a big out. [Speaker 5] (2:52:23 - 2:52:30) And then if that does happen in a month or two months, then we did all of this work for absolutely nothing. [Speaker 3] (2:52:30 - 2:52:33) But if we don't sign the lease, we've done all this work for nothing [Speaker 5] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33) But [Speaker 3] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33) too. [Speaker 5] (2:52:33 - 2:52:37) I don't think that's I don't I don't think that's the intent here. I think the intent is [Speaker 6] (2:52:37 - 2:52:46) to make a sound business agreement that benefits both this company and the town. [Speaker 5] (2:52:46 - 2:52:56) I'm not looking to benefit this company. I'm not, to be quite honest. I'm looking for the best interest of this town. And I am not so sure that any agreement is in the best interest of this town, [Speaker 5] (2:52:56 - 2:52:57) personally. [Speaker 6] (2:52:57 - 2:53:02) So what are the monetary benefits of this agreement? [Speaker 1] (2:53:04 - 2:53:04) Rent? [Speaker 6] (2:53:04 - 2:53:05) What [Speaker 4] (2:53:05 - 2:53:05) Rent, rent [Speaker 6] (2:53:05 - 2:53:06) is [Speaker 4] (2:53:06 - 2:53:06) utilities, [Speaker 6] (2:53:06 - 2:53:08) that? Right. So we're property agreeing? [Speaker 4] (2:53:08 - 2:53:09) tax, so $300,000, [Speaker 3] (2:53:09 - 2:53:11) $12,000, $10,000 a month. [Speaker 4] (2:53:11 - 2:53:12) $10,000 [Speaker 6] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12) Ten [Speaker 4] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12) a month. [Speaker 6] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12) thousand a month. [Speaker 6] (2:53:12 - 2:53:13) Okay. [Speaker 6] (2:53:14 - 2:53:15) So we're down to 26 [Speaker 4] (2:53:15 - 2:53:16) For months. 26, fine. [Speaker 1] (2:53:16 - 2:53:16) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (2:53:16 - 2:53:17) So 260, [Speaker 4] (2:53:17 - 2:53:18) Correct. [Speaker 6] (2:53:18 - 2:53:20) if it goes that long. [Speaker 3] (2:53:20 - 2:53:20) Covering [Speaker 1] (2:53:20 - 2:53:20) What's insurance [Speaker 3] (2:53:20 - 2:53:21) the coverage. utilities. [Speaker 1] (2:53:21 - 2:53:21) coverage? [Speaker 4] (2:53:21 - 2:53:22) utilities. [Speaker 4] (2:53:22 - 2:53:23) Utilities. [Speaker 6] (2:53:23 - 2:53:23) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:53:23 - 2:53:26) So what's the savings annually for utilities? [Speaker 4] (2:53:27 - 2:53:28) I want to say it's like a hundred and [Speaker 1] (2:53:28 - 2:53:28) Hundred. [Speaker 4] (2:53:28 - 2:53:30) twenty is the or j [Speaker 1] (2:53:30 - 2:53:30) So the [Speaker 4] (2:53:30 - 2:53:30) between [Speaker 1] (2:53:30 - 2:53:31) care, [Speaker 4] (2:53:31 - 2:53:31) a hundred [Speaker 1] (2:53:31 - 2:53:31) huh? [Speaker 4] (2:53:31 - 2:53:31) and hundred and twenty. [Speaker 1] (2:53:31 - 2:53:32) What did you say? Sorry. [Speaker 4] (2:53:32 - 2:53:34) Between a hundred and a hundred and twenty. [Speaker 1] (2:53:34 - 2:53:35) Okay, so let's say a hundred, let's low-ball it. [Speaker 3] (2:53:35 - 2:53:36) And the insurance. [Speaker 1] (2:53:36 - 2:53:45) So two sixty one hundred and what's we insurance is always hard to like carve out because what does it cost us to insure one big property. [Speaker 4] (2:53:45 - 2:53:48) So they will carry the liability insurance same as um [Speaker 3] (2:53:50 - 2:53:50) Anthony. [Speaker 4] (2:53:50 - 2:53:51) Hawthorne, [Speaker 1] (2:53:51 - 2:53:51) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:53:51 - 2:53:52) thank you. Um [Speaker 4] (2:53:53 - 2:53:56) And we will still carry property insurance as we did with Hawthorne. [Speaker 1] (2:53:56 - 2:53:58) But it will be less because it will not be vacant. [Speaker 4] (2:53:59 - 2:53:59) Correct. [Speaker 1] (2:53:59 - 2:54:04) So there is some sort of saving there that's not maybe directly quantifiable. [Speaker 1] (2:54:04 - 2:54:10) So it's $360,000 plus. Are they paying property tax? Property tax? [Speaker 4] (2:54:10 - 2:54:11) Yes, it's triple net. Yeah. [Speaker 3] (2:54:11 - 2:54:12) So wait, [Speaker 5] (2:54:12 - 2:54:12) Triple [Speaker 3] (2:54:12 - 2:54:12) if it's [Speaker 5] (2:54:12 - 2:54:12) net. [Speaker 3] (2:54:12 - 2:54:12) triple net, [Speaker 3] (2:54:13 - 2:54:16) why are they, why are we paying for insurance again? [Speaker 3] (2:54:16 - 2:54:17) Aren't they, aren't they [Speaker 4] (2:54:17 - 2:54:17) Our [Speaker 3] (2:54:17 - 2:54:18) going to carry [Speaker 4] (2:54:18 - 2:54:18) carrier. [Speaker 3] (2:54:18 - 2:54:18) them? [Speaker 4] (2:54:18 - 2:54:20) We ran this language by our carrier. [Speaker 4] (2:54:21 - 2:54:30) They provided their opinions, KP provided their opinions. Just as we did with Anthony's, we will be carrying the property insurance. [Speaker 4] (2:54:32 - 2:54:33) And we we asked our [Speaker 4] (2:54:35 - 2:54:36) excuse I didn't hear. [Speaker 1] (2:54:43 - 2:54:46) I think that's I think that's common even in triple net leases. I mean I can only speak [Speaker 5] (2:54:46 - 2:54:46) Generally [Speaker 1] (2:54:46 - 2:54:47) from my [Speaker 5] (2:54:47 - 2:54:47) is. [Speaker 1] (2:54:47 - 2:54:58) own personal commercial experience and I am not opining on the law right now, but I I find it to be common that we would still carry insurance even if the tenant was required to carry insurance. [Speaker 1] (2:55:00 - 2:55:01) So [Speaker 1] (2:55:04 - 2:55:11) So you're looking at a benefit of 360 plus whatever the projected property insur I mean uh yeah property taxes, which is [Speaker 6] (2:55:13 - 2:55:16) I think the property taxes were 153. [Speaker 4] (2:55:17 - 2:55:18) It's very expensive. [Speaker 5] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18) It's [Speaker 6] (2:55:18 - 2:55:19) I so know, [Speaker 5] (2:55:19 - 2:55:19) expensive. [Speaker 6] (2:55:19 - 2:55:19) I don't know. [Speaker 1] (2:55:19 - 2:55:21) 153,000? [Speaker 3] (2:55:23 - 2:55:24) I'm trying to look it up. [Speaker 1] (2:55:25 - 2:55:25) Thank you, Patrick. [Speaker 3] (2:55:25 - 2:55:26) I don't recall. [Speaker 1] (2:55:26 - 2:55:29) So that would be 26 months of that is times [Speaker 4] (2:55:29 - 2:55:29) Backing [Speaker 1] (2:55:29 - 2:55:29) two, [Speaker 4] (2:55:29 - 2:55:30) into it. Sorry. [Speaker 1] (2:55:30 - 2:55:34) plus a little. So 153, so now we're like 266. [Speaker 1] (2:55:35 - 2:55:36) On top of the 360. [Speaker 1] (2:55:36 - 2:55:41) So the benefit to the town is 360 and 266. I'm an attorney, but my math [Speaker 6] (2:55:41 - 2:55:42) 622. [Speaker 1] (2:55:42 - 2:55:45) says 622-ish if [Speaker 1] (2:55:49 - 2:55:50) If that number is accurate. [Speaker 5] (2:55:50 - 2:55:52) So it's not triple net, what you're saying. [Speaker 6] (2:55:57 - 2:55:58) And that doesn't include [Speaker 1] (2:55:59 - 2:55:59) Food and beverage. [Speaker 6] (2:55:59 - 2:56:00) food and beverage, which [Speaker 1] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02) What [Speaker 5] (2:56:02 - 2:56:02) Yeah, I you [Speaker 1] (2:56:02 - 2:56:03) mean we can't I we [Speaker 5] (2:56:03 - 2:56:04) know we [Speaker 1] (2:56:04 - 2:56:04) have no projection [Speaker 5] (2:56:04 - 2:56:05) have no idea. [Speaker 1] (2:56:05 - 2:56:06) to presuppose that [Speaker 5] (2:56:06 - 2:56:06) We [Speaker 1] (2:56:06 - 2:56:06) those [Speaker 5] (2:56:06 - 2:56:06) have no [Speaker 1] (2:56:06 - 2:56:06) numbers [Speaker 5] (2:56:06 - 2:56:07) idea. [Speaker 1] (2:56:07 - 2:56:09) we have no idea if they even open their door but this [Speaker 5] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09) Right. [Speaker 1] (2:56:09 - 2:56:12) is what they're committed to monetarily supporting the town. [Speaker 5] (2:56:12 - 2:56:12) Right. [Speaker 5] (2:56:12 - 2:56:17) But they're not if we look at that provision of 7.3 and none of that comes to fruition. [Speaker 5] (2:56:18 - 2:56:18) Right. [Speaker 3] (2:56:18 - 2:56:22) The property tax was running about 150, so you're right. [Speaker 6] (2:56:22 - 2:56:23) 150, not 53, [Speaker 6] (2:56:23 - 2:56:24) 153. [Speaker 3] (2:56:24 - 2:56:25) Well, I'm rounding. [Speaker 1] (2:56:25 - 2:56:25) Approximate. [Speaker 4] (2:56:25 - 2:56:26) 12.5 a month. [Speaker 2] (2:56:33 - 2:56:53) Well, just Danielle, just to make sure, right, I mean, I I share your concern about this obviously, but it's not like they can just jump out for any reason, right? They've got to document that something of in the right category costs at least thirty thousand dollars to give them the right to do this. [Speaker 5] (2:56:53 - 2:56:55) Which would not be hard to do with that building. [Speaker 5] (2:56:55 - 2:56:57) I mean, let's let's be realistic, [Speaker 5] (2:56:57 - 2:56:58) right? [Speaker 5] (2:56:59 - 2:57:08) You could probably get any person that is a contractor to go in there and tell you there's 30,000 plus of necessary repair. I mean let's just be honest. [Speaker 5] (2:57:09 - 2:57:10) But yeah, to your point Doug, [Speaker 5] (2:57:10 - 2:57:12) they need to have that. [Speaker 2] (2:57:12 - 2:57:24) I suppose one little word in here that, you know, I don't know what you've talked with them, just the word upkeep, like that that seems that seems like a [Speaker 2] (2:57:25 - 2:57:30) The whole, we could kind of drive a truck through in a way, like if you all of a sudden wanna get out of this, like [Speaker 1] (2:57:31 - 2:57:36) Well this is shall not include ordinary wear and tear or any repair or upkeep, so that's in our favour. [Speaker 3] (2:57:36 - 2:57:36) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (2:57:39 - 2:57:45) So language was drafted by our attorney with the number being what was negotiated. [Speaker 1] (2:57:45 - 2:57:49) Negotiated. But that upkeep works in our favour, so we would wanna keep that. [Speaker 1] (2:57:51 - 2:57:52) And I would assume [Speaker 1] (2:57:53 - 2:58:03) What the argument would be for upkeep is when they entered the building in the as is condition that they then take on the responsibility of upkeep for it in as as is condition. [Speaker 2] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03) Hmm. [Speaker 1] (2:58:08 - 2:58:08) So [Speaker 2] (2:58:08 - 2:58:15) Is that true? Like we're starting with the way it is today. They've accepted the way it is today, at least as as [Speaker 1] (2:58:15 - 2:58:15) There's [Speaker 2] (2:58:15 - 2:58:16) it's a as [Speaker 1] (2:58:16 - 2:58:18) rep inform T that says that. So [Speaker 3] (2:58:21 - 2:58:27) So, Mr Town Administrator, if we approve this tonight, this would go into effect five one. Tomorrow? [Speaker 3] (2:58:27 - 2:58:30) It's the when the we str when would the town start collecting [Speaker 4] (2:58:30 - 2:58:34) I I think if it was approved it would be subject to their signing first, number one. [Speaker 1] (2:58:36 - 2:58:42) But, you know, as soon as we can come to a conclusion. So five one is Sunday? Saturday? [Speaker 1] (2:58:42 - 2:58:43) Like it would [Speaker 2] (2:58:43 - 2:58:44) No, I mean at the [Speaker 1] (2:58:44 - 2:58:44) be [Speaker 2] (2:58:44 - 2:58:45) end of this week. [Speaker 1] (2:58:45 - 2:58:47) as soon as possible. Yes, absolutely. [Speaker 3] (2:58:52 - 2:58:58) I mean I have said this from the beginning. I'm sorry, did you want to make any other points about that? Just that one presentation you brought up, but what [Speaker 1] (2:58:58 - 2:58:58) No. [Speaker 3] (2:58:58 - 2:58:59) were there other red lines? I don't know. [Speaker 1] (2:58:59 - 2:59:04) No, the other pre it's David mentioned it one is the ten thousand a month which would be two sixty, if [Speaker 3] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04) it's not um [Speaker 3] (2:59:06 - 2:59:07) Up front three hundred [Speaker 1] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07) that right, [Speaker 3] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07) thousand. [Speaker 1] (2:59:07 - 2:59:14) w it wasn't the three hundred up front. Um and then just highlighting like said the insurance, the real one was like a liability that's in here now. [Speaker 2] (2:59:15 - 2:59:15) Yep. [Speaker 1] (2:59:15 - 2:59:15) Um [Speaker 3] (2:59:15 - 2:59:16) Okay. [Speaker 1] (2:59:16 - 2:59:17) waiting for final feedback. [Speaker 3] (2:59:18 - 2:59:20) I mean, Danielle, [Speaker 3] (2:59:20 - 2:59:28) I 100% hear you. I acknowledge that I hear you, but I am still of the position of we have to try. [Speaker 3] (2:59:29 - 2:59:40) And I know there is nobody else on this board who is more committed to getting a RFP out for the Hawthorne property in its permanent condition than you. [Speaker 3] (2:59:40 - 2:59:43) So, I mean, I think the [Speaker 4] (2:59:43 - 2:59:45) I've said it a million times. [Speaker 3] (2:59:45 - 2:59:46) two coupled together. [Speaker 3] (2:59:47 - 2:59:59) mean that we are putting ourselves in the best potential financial position true there are outs there are always contractual outs yes they're given the condition [Speaker 3] (3:00:01 - 3:00:03) of the building there may be you [Speaker 3] (3:00:05 - 3:00:11) I understand that you're less comfortable but we have to be realistic about the product we're marketing [Speaker 1] (3:00:12 - 3:00:19) Well, and also, you know, that I read this a little bit more carefully, you know, the interplay between seven point three and seven point one, [Speaker 3] (3:00:19 - 3:00:19) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 1] (3:00:19 - 3:00:35) right? I mean, if I'm reading it correctly, I once just seem to have made a couple of mistakes tonight, um that it's in seven point one detailing all the things that they are responsible for doing, right? So it's saying that [Speaker 1] (3:00:37 - 3:00:43) This $30,000 has got to be above and beyond these types of things that are in 7.1. Is that correct? [Speaker 2] (3:00:43 - 3:00:43) Right. [Speaker 3] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44) Which includes [Speaker 1] (3:00:44 - 3:00:45) Okay, that's a lot of [Speaker 3] (3:00:45 - 3:00:45) a [Speaker 1] (3:00:45 - 3:00:45) stuff [Speaker 3] (3:00:45 - 3:00:45) lot [Speaker 1] (3:00:45 - 3:00:46) that, [Speaker 3] (3:00:46 - 3:00:46) of stuff. [Speaker 1] (3:00:46 - 3:00:46) yeah, [Speaker 1] (3:00:46 - 3:00:50) that includes building exterior, [Speaker 1] (3:00:50 - 3:00:51) the roof, [Speaker 1] (3:00:51 - 3:00:51) framing, [Speaker 1] (3:00:51 - 3:00:53) floor slabs, exterior walls, [Speaker 1] (3:00:53 - 3:00:53) foundation, [Speaker 1] (3:00:53 - 3:00:54) mechanical system. [Speaker 1] (3:00:54 - 3:00:56) So all those things, [Speaker 1] (3:00:56 - 3:01:01) problems with those don't count towards the $30,000? [Speaker 4] (3:01:02 - 3:01:03) Where does it say that? [Speaker 1] (3:01:03 - 3:01:04) That's what I'm asking. [Speaker 3] (3:01:04 - 3:01:04) No, it doesn't. [Speaker 1] (3:01:04 - 3:01:05) That's okay. [Speaker 3] (3:01:05 - 3:01:11) It doesn't. No, it includes, it includes that. It's not exclusive of that, because it says in the event of an extraordinary repair or replacement, [Speaker 3] (3:01:11 - 3:01:19) in the event an extraordinary repair or replacement is required to maintain the premises in the condition required under section 7.1. [Speaker 3] (3:01:20 - 3:01:24) So it's not, it's not exclusive of it. It's inclusive of that. [Speaker 3] (3:01:24 - 3:01:25) So this is what your obligations are, [Speaker 3] (3:01:25 - 3:01:26) and [Speaker 1] (3:01:28 - 3:01:28) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 4] (3:01:28 - 3:01:29) And then on top of that's [Speaker 1] (3:01:29 - 3:01:29) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:01:29 - 3:01:30) is yeah. [Speaker 3] (3:01:30 - 3:01:35) Yeah. So I want, I don't want you to not believe, [Speaker 3] (3:01:35 - 3:01:36) I [Speaker 1] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36) Yeah, [Speaker 3] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36) don't want you [Speaker 1] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36) I to got [Speaker 3] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36) believe [Speaker 1] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36) it. [Speaker 3] (3:01:36 - 3:01:39) what you just said because I don't think it's accurate Yep. even though it helps [Speaker 1] (3:01:39 - 3:01:40) I get it. Yep. [Speaker 3] (3:01:40 - 3:01:41) get it across the finish line. [Speaker 1] (3:01:41 - 3:01:42) Yep. Uh-huh. Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:01:54 - 3:01:55) How do we deal with this quiet enjoyment? [Speaker 3] (3:01:58 - 3:02:09) My enjoyment is a very standard provision in commercial leases. Um it's a like a legal vetted term. It's not uh [Speaker 4] (3:02:09 - 3:02:17) So if this facility has musical acts does that cover that the neighbours that are surrounding [Speaker 3] (3:02:17 - 3:02:19) Sorry what section is it? So I can look at [Speaker 4] (3:02:19 - 3:02:19) Part [Speaker 3] (3:02:19 - 3:02:19) the right language. [Speaker 4] (3:02:19 - 3:02:19) two. [Speaker 3] (3:02:20 - 3:02:20) Or two. [Speaker 4] (3:02:21 - 3:02:21) Twelve [Speaker 3] (3:02:21 - 3:02:21) Oh two. [Speaker 4] (3:02:21 - 3:02:21) two. [Speaker 3] (3:02:22 - 3:02:22) Oh twelve two. [Speaker 3] (3:02:24 - 3:02:32) I would assume it's a normal. So anyway, as I always say, it's okay, it's it's really our interference in the lease. It is not uh [Speaker 4] (3:02:32 - 3:02:33) Right, so it [Speaker 3] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33) we [Speaker 4] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33) doesn't [Speaker 3] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33) will [Speaker 4] (3:02:33 - 3:02:33) really [Speaker 3] (3:02:33 - 3:02:38) not interfere in the lessee's usage, not that the l the lessee's actually gonna be quiet. [Speaker 1] (3:02:38 - 3:02:39) Right. [Speaker 3] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39) Right, So it doesn't [Speaker 4] (3:02:39 - 3:02:40) so it means they can pretty [Speaker 2] (3:02:40 - 3:02:40) it will much be quiet? [Speaker 3] (3:02:41 - 3:02:43) So we won't interfere with their use. [Speaker 4] (3:02:43 - 3:02:45) So they're allowed to have music and whatever [Speaker 3] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45) Yeah, [Speaker 4] (3:02:45 - 3:02:46) is [Speaker 3] (3:02:46 - 3:02:46) yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:02:46 - 3:02:46) happening there [Speaker 2] (3:02:46 - 3:02:46) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (3:02:46 - 3:02:47) Actually is enough, yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:02:47 - 3:02:49) there's nothing we can do about it pretty much, right? [Speaker 3] (3:02:50 - 3:02:58) So long as they're within the parameters what you would look to for something like that, Danielle, is the use provision. If there's any limitations on the use provision, [Speaker 3] (3:02:58 - 3:03:10) would allow the landlord the ability to say and the permitted use is five one and it's a restaurant hospitality venue and it says in no event shall the premises be used for any other permitted use. [Speaker 3] (3:03:11 - 3:03:17) So that, so long as it's in restaurant hospitality venue, then that's... [Speaker 1] (3:03:18 - 3:03:20) But that doesn't mean people can do whatever they want. [Speaker 1] (3:03:20 - 3:03:20) I mean we've had [Speaker 4] (3:03:20 - 3:03:20) Well [Speaker 1] (3:03:20 - 3:03:21) a I right. [Speaker 4] (3:03:21 - 3:03:22) am thinking of how we have people here complaining about [Speaker 3] (3:03:22 - 3:03:23) that limit they're used up. [Speaker 4] (3:03:23 - 3:03:27) Little G with their music right for people across the street. [Speaker 4] (3:03:27 - 3:03:27) So [Speaker 3] (3:03:27 - 3:03:28) There [Speaker 4] (3:03:28 - 3:03:28) are [Speaker 3] (3:03:28 - 3:03:28) must [Speaker 4] (3:03:28 - 3:03:28) we going to [Speaker 3] (3:03:28 - 3:03:28) be [Speaker 4] (3:03:28 - 3:03:29) run into a similar situation? [Speaker 3] (3:03:30 - 3:03:32) And there's a compliance of law provision in section 5-3. [Speaker 3] (3:03:33 - 3:03:40) In which the lessee acknowledges that they should use and maintain the premises in compliance with all applicable laws which would include any noise ordinances or anything like that. [Speaker 5] (3:03:40 - 3:03:41) That's five two probably, uh term rules [Speaker 4] (3:03:41 - 3:03:42) We actually [Speaker 5] (3:03:42 - 3:03:42) and regulation. [Speaker 4] (3:03:42 - 3:03:44) issue an entertainment license and a liquor [Speaker 3] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44) There [Speaker 4] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44) license. [Speaker 3] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44) you go. [Speaker 1] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44) Correct. [Speaker 4] (3:03:44 - 3:03:45) So there we are. [Speaker 3] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45) Oh, that's another [Speaker 1] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45) And [Speaker 3] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45) question. [Speaker 1] (3:03:45 - 3:03:47) they'll still be coming before you all [Speaker 4] (3:03:47 - 3:03:48) We can take care of that. [Speaker 1] (3:03:48 - 3:03:52) for that, similar to how you did it with little g where you that was the opportunity [Speaker 3] (3:03:52 - 3:03:52) We [Speaker 1] (3:03:52 - 3:03:52) to [Speaker 3] (3:03:52 - 3:03:53) limited that time. [Speaker 1] (3:03:53 - 3:03:54) have some leverage over times [Speaker 4] (3:03:54 - 3:03:54) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:03:54 - 3:03:55) and use. [Speaker 4] (3:03:55 - 3:03:59) That's right, but that was the one that's been there for how many years and [Speaker 4] (3:04:00 - 3:04:05) This is an unknown, right, so we have to really know what we're proving or allowing. [Speaker 5] (3:04:10 - 3:04:13) Right, but we do know what we've done with other places in that area. [Speaker 4] (3:04:13 - 3:04:16) Yeah, we just don't know what exactly is planned for this. [Speaker 5] (3:04:17 - 3:04:17) Yep. [Speaker 4] (3:04:17 - 3:04:18) We have no idea. [Speaker 5] (3:04:29 - 3:04:33) I'm prepared to uh support the lease as proposed. [Speaker 3] (3:04:35 - 3:04:37) Do you want to make a motion to do so, Doug? [Speaker 5] (3:04:37 - 3:04:46) I make a motion to approve the lease as proposed subject to the lessee signing first. [Speaker 4] (3:04:46 - 3:04:46) Second. [Speaker 3] (3:04:48 - 3:04:50) Any additional commentary questions? [Speaker 3] (3:04:51 - 3:04:53) Seeing none, all those in favor? [Speaker 4] (3:04:54 - 3:04:54) Aye. [Speaker 3] (3:04:54 - 3:04:55) Aye. [Speaker 3] (3:04:55 - 3:04:56) The lowest? [Speaker 4] (3:04:57 - 3:04:58) I. [Speaker 3] (3:04:59 - 3:04:59) Sini? [Speaker 2] (3:05:02 - 3:05:03) Oh, I'm in favor, [Speaker 2] (3:05:03 - 3:05:03) I'm sorry. [Speaker 3] (3:05:03 - 3:05:05) You're in favor, okay, so it's four one. [Speaker 4] (3:05:06 - 3:05:07) Oh no, I'm sorry. [Speaker 3] (3:05:07 - 3:05:09) Oh, you were I, sorry, I I thought you were no, I apologise. [Speaker 4] (3:05:09 - 3:05:09) No. [Speaker 3] (3:05:09 - 3:05:11) 'Cause it was delayed. [Speaker 1] (3:05:11 - 3:05:11) Wait, later arrival. [Speaker 3] (3:05:11 - 3:05:13) It's five O_ [Speaker 3] (3:05:13 - 3:05:16) so we are unanimous to support the lease, which is fantastic. [Speaker 3] (3:05:22 - 3:05:38) Doug and David won't enjoy this, but Danielle and I, because you'll be gone, but Danielle and I will um hopefully be in an agenda very soon to talk about a long-term RFP for Hawthorne. So we can live up to the promise that this is temporary and [Speaker 2] (3:05:38 - 3:05:38) Thank you so much. [Speaker 3] (3:05:38 - 3:05:39) that we're taking action. [Speaker 4] (3:05:39 - 3:05:40) Yes, we are. [Speaker 3] (3:05:42 - 3:05:49) Um okay, so that concludes old new and old business, the consent agenda, the request was made to move March 2nd and March 18 minutes. [Speaker 3] (3:05:50 - 3:06:00) So we will only be approving April 8th, and I have also been requested to remove the Hawker and Peddlers license for three, [Speaker 3] (3:06:00 - 3:06:16) Joseph Sanchez, DBA Jane Austen's, so I will entertain an, so long as there's no additional amendments to the consent agenda, I will remove those two and take a motion to approve the consent agenda. We will take the removals up separately. [Speaker 4] (3:06:18 - 3:06:25) What is the procurement policy? Environmentally preferred procurement policy? [Speaker 3] (3:06:25 - 3:06:30) The approval of the town of Swamptscott's environmental preferred procurement policy by recycled [Speaker 1] (3:06:30 - 3:06:31) It's the last page. [Speaker 3] (3:06:31 - 3:06:32) paper. [Speaker 1] (3:06:36 - 3:06:36) That's [Speaker 3] (3:06:36 - 3:06:37) What is that about? [Speaker 5] (3:06:38 - 3:06:39) To be honest, [Speaker 5] (3:06:39 - 3:06:43) I had not looked at this carefully. This is... [Speaker 4] (3:06:44 - 3:06:45) Who who created this? [Speaker 6] (3:06:47 - 3:06:47) Border. [Speaker 1] (3:06:47 - 3:06:48) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:06:48 - 3:06:48) Thank you. [Speaker 6] (3:06:49 - 3:06:57) It's just that they did, I think they had a different name at that formerly by recycled policy. So [Speaker 3] (3:06:57 - 3:07:06) Oh so we're updating our our formerly by recycled policy, which is what it exists as today, to become the town of Swampscott environmentally preferred procurement policy. [Speaker 1] (3:07:09 - 3:07:09) Is [Speaker 3] (3:07:09 - 3:07:09) Maybe [Speaker 1] (3:07:09 - 3:07:11) that the only thing that's changing there? It looks like. [Speaker 3] (3:07:12 - 3:07:14) I think maybe we remove this and just do a red line [Speaker 1] (3:07:14 - 3:07:14) Yeah. [Speaker 3] (3:07:14 - 3:07:20) from the prior policy and we'll put it on the next agenda that way we Right, make sure that we understand what is being changed. [Speaker 4] (3:07:20 - 3:07:21) right. [Speaker 3] (3:07:21 - 3:07:39) Okay so we're going to now the consent agenda as amended is the minutes from April 8th, number two for the peddlers license number four and five and then we will take six. [Speaker 3] (3:07:40 - 3:07:45) at another time, and we'll talk about three after we approve the consent agenda. Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:07:45 - 3:07:45) Okay. [Speaker 4] (3:07:46 - 3:07:48) Motion to approve the consent agenda as amended. [Speaker 3] (3:07:48 - 3:07:50) Okay. All in favour? [Speaker 4] (3:07:50 - 3:07:51) Um [Speaker 1] (3:07:51 - 3:07:51) Aye. [Speaker 4] (3:07:51 - 3:07:51) aye. [Speaker 5] (3:07:51 - 3:07:51) Aye. [Speaker 3] (3:07:52 - 3:08:04) Okay, so the minutes uh we just have some updates to make to them, so um they're gonna move on to the following agenda and six will move on to the following agenda, but Marianne had requested three come out if [Speaker 3] (3:08:04 - 3:08:06) I want to just explain. [Speaker 4] (3:08:06 - 3:08:10) Uh, so three, I was just looking at this and it said here um [Speaker 4] (3:08:13 - 3:08:19) it says here temporary food establishment selling tacos and maybe t-shirts at Fisherman's Beach. [Speaker 4] (3:08:20 - 3:08:28) And I think my concern is where at Fisherman's Beach, what does this mean? Does this mean that people are gonna set up stands? And we have [Speaker 3] (3:08:29 - 3:08:29) It also says [Speaker 2] (3:08:29 - 3:08:30) It also says ice on this page. [Speaker 1] (3:08:31 - 3:08:47) Right, so this is on public property. Are they paying for the public property? Um, what's the plan, what does it look like? And my concern also is that we have a restaurant across the street from this this fisherman's beach and down just across a little dockside [Speaker 1] (3:08:48 - 3:09:13) And I don't want to be in a position where we have temporary food trucks or temporary food wagons or whatever they are interfering with brick and mortar that are paying a lot of money in taxes um and their establishments and somebody comes in and just rolls up on on private prop on public property and start selling stuff. [Speaker 1] (3:09:14 - 3:09:15) So [Speaker 2] (3:09:15 - 3:09:16) I I mean we did a [Speaker 3] (3:09:16 - 3:09:18) Did we not allow this with a hot dog [Speaker 2] (3:09:18 - 3:09:18) A hot [Speaker 3] (3:09:18 - 3:09:18) vendor [Speaker 2] (3:09:18 - 3:09:19) dog care? [Speaker 3] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19) last summer? [Speaker 1] (3:09:19 - 3:09:31) Right and I think that looked pretty bad last year sitting in a sitting in the park and taking up space and you know we have we have the is it called the White Hen or Richdale but we have [Speaker 2] (3:09:31 - 3:09:31) Richdale [Speaker 1] (3:09:31 - 3:09:33) Richdale's across the street and [Speaker 2] (3:09:33 - 3:09:33) formerly [Speaker 1] (3:09:33 - 3:09:33) we have Doc [Speaker 2] (3:09:33 - 3:09:34) White [Speaker 1] (3:09:34 - 3:09:37) and we have Dockside so you know that's that's my feeling on it. [Speaker 4] (3:09:40 - 3:09:47) I actually agree with Mary Ellen. We have Andreas Takaraya at 646 Humphrey Street. They pay [Speaker 4] (3:09:47 - 3:09:56) They they pay for a liquor licence, they pay rent, they p I'm assuming they pay taxes, they pay meal uh uh certainly uh you know uh F_ [Speaker 1] (3:09:56 - 3:09:56) And the utilities. [Speaker 4] (3:09:56 - 3:09:58) and B_ F_ and B_ as well. [Speaker 4] (3:09:59 - 3:10:12) Um, you know, they've been a member of our community for uh for a long time, and to to invite um less expensive competition there uh where they don't have to where this new competitor would not have to pay that, I I wouldn't be supportive of that. [Speaker 2] (3:10:14 - 3:10:17) Um I Have we [Speaker 3] (3:10:19 - 3:10:24) I feel like, I mean they have three locations listed. If they were talking about just the farmer's market that [Speaker 2] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24) We [Speaker 3] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24) would be [Speaker 2] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24) just, [Speaker 3] (3:10:24 - 3:10:25) one thing. [Speaker 4] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25) Yeah. [Speaker 1] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25) I'm [Speaker 2] (3:10:25 - 3:10:26) We have [Speaker 1] (3:10:26 - 3:10:28) cool with farmers, I'm totally cool with farmer's market, [Speaker 3] (3:10:28 - 3:10:28) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:10:28 - 3:10:29) you know, limited time. [Speaker 2] (3:10:29 - 3:10:36) I have two questions. If the hawker has the farmer's market as the event space, they still apply for space at the farmer's market, correct? [Speaker 4] (3:10:36 - 3:10:37) Through the [Speaker 2] (3:10:37 - 3:10:38) Through the rec, yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:10:38 - 3:10:39) the rec and they pay [Speaker 2] (3:10:39 - 3:10:42) So I would like to consider [Speaker 5] (3:10:43 - 3:10:44) Then they don't even need this. [Speaker 5] (3:10:44 - 3:10:44) Oh. [Speaker 2] (3:10:44 - 3:10:48) right, so why do they, they still need a hawker's permit? 'Cause not all [Speaker 2] (3:10:47 - 3:10:49) all vendors at the [Speaker 1] (3:10:50 - 3:10:51) You don't need a hawker's permit to be [Speaker 3] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51) But [Speaker 1] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51) at the farmers [Speaker 4] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51) But [Speaker 3] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51) they [Speaker 1] (3:10:51 - 3:10:52) market. [Speaker 4] (3:10:52 - 3:10:52) they're requesting [Speaker 3] (3:10:52 - 3:10:52) weren't going to [Speaker 4] (3:10:52 - 3:10:52) to [Speaker 3] (3:10:52 - 3:10:53) get it go cleared [Speaker 4] (3:10:53 - 3:10:53) elsewhere [Speaker 3] (3:10:53 - 3:10:53) here. [Speaker 4] (3:10:53 - 3:10:53) but [Speaker 2] (3:10:53 - 3:10:55) Yes correct. And so what I'm sorry, [Speaker 4] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55) went to [Speaker 2] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55) the [Speaker 4] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55) farmers [Speaker 2] (3:10:55 - 3:10:56) second [Speaker 4] (3:10:56 - 3:10:56) then [Speaker 2] (3:10:56 - 3:10:56) piece [Speaker 4] (3:10:56 - 3:10:56) they came [Speaker 2] (3:10:56 - 3:11:03) of what I was saying is I think that maybe we should work on a policy for sale of products at the beach if that's what we all want. [Speaker 3] (3:11:03 - 3:11:04) Right, right. [Speaker 2] (3:11:04 - 3:11:09) Because that's what is like offending David and Mary Ellen's senses, the beach, because we [Speaker 3] (3:11:09 - 3:11:15) Well, it's specifically Fisherman's beach, right? Because Eisman's has nothing across the street. So what would they be competing with? [Speaker 2] (3:11:15 - 3:11:16) Right. [Speaker 3] (3:11:16 - 3:11:17) And Eisman's [Speaker 2] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17) I want my [Speaker 3] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17) Beach, [Speaker 2] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17) mappy. [Speaker 3] (3:11:17 - 3:11:18) right? [Speaker 4] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18) But [Speaker 3] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18) There's [Speaker 4] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18) they [Speaker 3] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18) nothing [Speaker 4] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18) would be [Speaker 3] (3:11:18 - 3:11:19) really. [Speaker 4] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19) they [Speaker 2] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19) That'll [Speaker 4] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19) would be [Speaker 2] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19) there. [Speaker 4] (3:11:19 - 3:11:20) built up this [Speaker 1] (3:11:20 - 3:11:21) Well, uh you know, I just, I [Speaker 3] (3:11:21 - 3:11:21) Right. [Speaker 1] (3:11:21 - 3:11:23) think you [Speaker 2] (3:11:23 - 3:11:23) To [Speaker 1] (3:11:23 - 3:11:24) know, I [Speaker 2] (3:11:24 - 3:11:25) me that's an untapped market. [Speaker 3] (3:11:25 - 3:11:25) Right. [Speaker 2] (3:11:25 - 3:11:26) That's a market. [Speaker 3] (3:11:26 - 3:11:28) And it's kind of a benefit to people that go to the beach, [Speaker 3] (3:11:28 - 3:11:31) but and Eisman's, not fishermen's and not. [Speaker 1] (3:11:31 - 3:11:32) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:11:32 - 3:11:32) So [Speaker 3] (3:11:32 - 3:11:32) Because [Speaker 6] (3:11:32 - 3:11:32) the community, [Speaker 3] (3:11:32 - 3:11:33) of the little key. [Speaker 6] (3:11:33 - 3:11:42) communities with food trucks generally do identify locations and do an RFP. This is, it's too late. This, these started coming up, I think it was three meetings ago or two [Speaker 2] (3:11:42 - 3:11:42) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:11:42 - 3:11:51) meetings ago that you first mentioned your concerns, Mary Ellen, but it's something we could certainly develop for this summer is would be very difficult to be completely frank. [Speaker 1] (3:11:51 - 3:11:51) Right. [Speaker 6] (3:11:51 - 3:11:51) But [Speaker 3] (3:11:51 - 3:11:52) Right. [Speaker 6] (3:11:52 - 3:11:56) with the idea that we identify three, four, five locations in town and we ask for [Speaker 6] (3:11:57 - 3:12:00) a number of respondents to say I would like to be at these two, I'd like to be able [Speaker 3] (3:12:00 - 3:12:01) Right. [Speaker 6] (3:12:01 - 3:12:02) to go to all five, you know, [Speaker 6] (3:12:03 - 3:12:06) city of Boston, towns and cities across the commonwealth do this. [Speaker 3] (3:12:06 - 3:12:13) Especially in a beach town, so it's I mean it makes sense to really to have a more formal process and policy in place. [Speaker 6] (3:12:13 - 3:12:15) And like in Revere they work with D.C. [Speaker 3] (3:12:15 - 3:12:15) Yeah. [Speaker 6] (3:12:15 - 3:12:16) Arbor, Revere handles [Speaker 3] (3:12:16 - 3:12:16) Right. [Speaker 6] (3:12:16 - 3:12:18) the process of who's [Speaker 3] (3:12:18 - 3:12:18) Recreational. [Speaker 6] (3:12:18 - 3:12:20) allowed to be in which locations. [Speaker 3] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20) Right. [Speaker 2] (3:12:20 - 3:12:21) So [Speaker 2] (3:12:23 - 3:12:24) I'm afraid to even say the sentence. [Speaker 6] (3:12:24 - 3:12:25) I'm sorry, [Speaker 6] (3:12:25 - 3:12:28) the only thing I want to say is that I want to do whatever Mary Ellen and David agree on. [Speaker 6] (3:12:28 - 3:12:31) That's all I want to end on here. [Speaker 2] (3:12:31 - 3:12:32) And then I hide out. [Speaker 2] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33) All right, [Speaker 2] (3:12:33 - 3:12:38) then I will reserve my commentary for my meeting with the town administrator this week. [Speaker 2] (3:12:38 - 3:12:38) Therefore, [Speaker 2] (3:12:38 - 3:12:41) we don't defer from the hideout we have happening right now. [Speaker 2] (3:12:42 - 3:12:50) All right, so why don't we just, we can't, we can ask him to modify the, or we can advise that we're not approving it as. [Speaker 2] (3:12:50 - 3:12:51) as applied. [Speaker 3] (3:12:51 - 3:12:53) Tell them to apply for the Founders Market. How about that? [Speaker 5] (3:12:53 - 3:12:53) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:12:53 - 3:12:57) But we certainly will cons like you, we're very willing [Speaker 3] (3:12:57 - 3:12:58) But in [Speaker 2] (3:12:58 - 3:12:58) to have [Speaker 3] (3:12:58 - 3:12:58) the meantime, [Speaker 2] (3:12:58 - 3:13:01) the next town. It is not that. It is more the location. [Speaker 3] (3:13:02 - 3:13:02) to next [Speaker 1] (3:13:02 - 3:13:02) Well like [Speaker 3] (3:13:02 - 3:13:02) point, [Speaker 1] (3:13:02 - 3:13:03) for example [Speaker 3] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03) I think we should have [Speaker 2] (3:13:06 - 3:13:08) The ice cream truck doesn't get a hawker's [Speaker 1] (3:13:08 - 3:13:08) Right, exactly. [Speaker 2] (3:13:08 - 3:13:08) permit, [Speaker 2] (3:13:08 - 3:13:09) does he? [Speaker 1] (3:13:09 - 3:13:09) Exac no. [Speaker 6] (3:13:10 - 3:13:10) Yeah, they do. [Speaker 2] (3:13:10 - 3:13:11) They do? [Speaker 3] (3:13:11 - 3:13:12) Do they? Well, they're kind of [Speaker 2] (3:13:12 - 3:13:12) I [Speaker 3] (3:13:12 - 3:13:12) like [Speaker 4] (3:13:12 - 3:13:13) will I I've I've never seen that. [Speaker 2] (3:13:13 - 3:13:17) never seen that individual I've bought many an ice cream from him and I've never seen him come before me here [Speaker 6] (3:13:17 - 3:13:17) They [Speaker 2] (3:13:17 - 3:13:18) so [Speaker 6] (3:13:18 - 3:13:20) should they should have been doing it if they haven't [Speaker 3] (3:13:20 - 3:13:21) They probably haven't. [Speaker 2] (3:13:21 - 3:13:23) It's the same guy every time [Speaker 3] (3:13:23 - 3:13:23) I'm [Speaker 2] (3:13:23 - 3:13:23) it looks [Speaker 3] (3:13:23 - 3:13:23) sure he charges [Speaker 2] (3:13:23 - 3:13:24) Anyways [Speaker 3] (3:13:24 - 3:13:25) the price of the taco truck, so. [Speaker 2] (3:13:25 - 3:13:26) Um [Speaker 5] (3:13:26 - 3:13:27) He can speed away. [Speaker 3] (3:13:27 - 3:13:29) Yeah, right away. Yes. [Speaker 5] (3:13:29 - 3:13:30) He drives off to Marvel. [Speaker 4] (3:13:31 - 3:13:32) But just to that effect, [Speaker 4] (3:13:32 - 3:13:33) I agree. [Speaker 4] (3:13:33 - 3:13:33) I think [Speaker 4] (3:13:34 - 3:13:35) think I think if done properly [Speaker 2] (3:13:35 - 3:13:35) Yeah, [Speaker 4] (3:13:35 - 3:13:36) the food [Speaker 2] (3:13:36 - 3:13:36) we would. [Speaker 4] (3:13:36 - 3:13:37) trucks at Iseman's could could [Speaker 3] (3:13:37 - 3:13:37) Yes. [Speaker 2] (3:13:37 - 3:13:37) Yeah. [Speaker 4] (3:13:37 - 3:13:38) could be [Speaker 1] (3:13:38 - 3:13:38) Or [Speaker 4] (3:13:38 - 3:13:38) some [Speaker 2] (3:13:38 - 3:13:38) It could [Speaker 1] (3:13:38 - 3:13:38) be of [Speaker 2] (3:13:38 - 3:13:38) frankly [Speaker 3] (3:13:38 - 3:13:39) a value add. [Speaker 2] (3:13:39 - 3:13:48) or maybe some sort of collaboration with the beach club because they have park like their parking lot is not always full and if we could identify a spot at the beach club [Speaker 3] (3:13:48 - 3:13:49) That's [Speaker 2] (3:13:49 - 3:13:49) to have park [Speaker 3] (3:13:49 - 3:13:49) a little dicier, [Speaker 2] (3:13:49 - 3:13:49) him. [Speaker 3] (3:13:50 - 3:13:50) I think, but. [Speaker 2] (3:13:51 - 3:13:53) Well, I'm just saying let's look into it. [Speaker 3] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53) Well, [Speaker 2] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53) Let's call somebody, [Speaker 3] (3:13:53 - 3:13:54) I'd also [Speaker 2] (3:13:54 - 3:13:54) we'll pass [Speaker 3] (3:13:54 - 3:13:54) I'd [Speaker 2] (3:13:54 - 3:13:55) a question. [Speaker 3] (3:13:55 - 3:14:03) also like to make sure that we have conversations with our local restaurateurs just to see if they also want to put something out there or [Speaker 2] (3:14:03 - 3:14:05) Well it would be an R_F_P_ process. Once you identify [Speaker 3] (3:14:05 - 3:14:05) Right. [Speaker 2] (3:14:05 - 3:14:07) the location, anybody could answer the R_F_P_ [Speaker 3] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07) Right. [Speaker 2] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07) so that [Speaker 5] (3:14:07 - 3:14:08) They [Speaker 2] (3:14:08 - 3:14:08) would [Speaker 5] (3:14:08 - 3:14:08) could speak [Speaker 2] (3:14:08 - 3:14:08) we [Speaker 5] (3:14:08 - 3:14:08) to wouldn't him in advance. [Speaker 2] (3:14:08 - 3:14:09) have to go [Speaker 3] (3:14:09 - 3:14:10) Yeah. Anybody with a cart. [Speaker 2] (3:14:10 - 3:14:10) Yeah, [Speaker 1] (3:14:10 - 3:14:10) Yeah. [Speaker 2] (3:14:10 - 3:14:10) and we [Speaker 5] (3:14:10 - 3:14:11) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:14:11 - 3:14:15) could in advance say this is what the town's six thinking about doing, [Speaker 3] (3:14:15 - 3:14:16) They don't sell anything [Speaker 2] (3:14:16 - 3:14:16) if you [Speaker 3] (3:14:16 - 3:14:16) in have any [Speaker 2] (3:14:16 - 3:14:18) the ability to sh [Speaker 1] (3:14:18 - 3:14:19) to sh my own meatballs. [Speaker 2] (3:14:19 - 3:14:20) propose a time frame [Speaker 1] (3:14:20 - 3:14:21) Okay. [Speaker 2] (3:14:21 - 3:14:22) that you want to participate and [Speaker 3] (3:14:22 - 3:14:22) Yes. [Speaker 2] (3:14:22 - 3:14:25) it doesn't have to be for the whole season either right it could be [Speaker 2] (3:14:26 - 3:14:26) Like, [Speaker 3] (3:14:26 - 3:14:27) Three months out of the year. [Speaker 2] (3:14:27 - 3:14:31) no, I mean like it could rotate. Is isn't that also a possibility? [Speaker 3] (3:14:31 - 3:14:33) This could be a very big potential [Speaker 6] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33) I [Speaker 3] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33) role. [Speaker 6] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33) mean, the the [Speaker 3] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33) Nick [Speaker 6] (3:14:33 - 3:14:34) the [Speaker 3] (3:14:34 - 3:14:34) Connors. [Speaker 6] (3:14:34 - 3:14:35) city of Boston rotates [Speaker 2] (3:14:35 - 3:14:35) Yeah, they d there you go. [Speaker 6] (3:14:35 - 3:14:41) which locations you get on which days or which weeks. Like you there's not one person that is in one [Speaker 3] (3:14:41 - 3:14:41) See [Speaker 6] (3:14:41 - 3:14:41) place all how the [Speaker 3] (3:14:41 - 3:14:41) this can [Speaker 2] (3:14:41 - 3:14:41) Right. [Speaker 3] (3:14:41 - 3:14:42) benefit here, [Speaker 3] (3:14:43 - 3:14:43) Nick Connors. [Speaker 2] (3:14:43 - 3:14:43) So that helps [Speaker 3] (3:14:43 - 3:14:44) Yeah, [Speaker 2] (3:14:44 - 3:14:44) the [Speaker 3] (3:14:44 - 3:14:44) I'm thinking [Speaker 2] (3:14:44 - 3:14:44) local [Speaker 3] (3:14:44 - 3:14:44) about [Speaker 2] (3:14:44 - 3:14:44) business [Speaker 3] (3:14:44 - 3:14:45) that. [Speaker 2] (3:14:45 - 3:14:46) because you don't have well, [Speaker 3] (3:14:46 - 3:14:46) Right. [Speaker 2] (3:14:46 - 3:14:51) I mean they did complain actually when we were at when we were talking about 350 that that would be an issue, [Speaker 3] (3:14:51 - 3:14:51) Put [Speaker 2] (3:14:51 - 3:14:51) but alright. [Speaker 3] (3:14:51 - 3:14:51) a premium on [Speaker 2] (3:14:51 - 3:14:52) We [Speaker 3] (3:14:52 - 3:14:52) this. [Speaker 2] (3:14:52 - 3:14:52) can [Speaker 2] (3:14:52 - 3:15:01) we can think about this further, and please let Mr Sanchez know it's not that we don't want to enjoy his food, please [Speaker 3] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01) Or [Speaker 2] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01) go to his the market [Speaker 3] (3:15:01 - 3:15:02) t-shirts [Speaker 2] (3:15:02 - 3:15:02) to get [Speaker 3] (3:15:02 - 3:15:04) or whatever else he's decided to sell. [Speaker 2] (3:15:05 - 3:15:06) Um okay. [Speaker 2] (3:15:08 - 3:15:11) Is everybody okay then moving on to select board comment? [Speaker 2] (3:15:13 - 3:15:14) Who would like to start? [Speaker 3] (3:15:16 - 3:15:16) Doug? [Speaker 6] (3:15:17 - 3:15:17) I'll start. [Speaker 6] (3:15:19 - 3:15:26) Um, because I've been waiting for like a week to honor Mr. Grishman. [Speaker 6] (3:15:27 - 3:15:30) Um, get comfortable everybody. [Speaker 6] (3:15:30 - 3:15:31) No, just kidding. [Speaker 6] (3:15:31 - 3:15:34) Um, so David's [Speaker 6] (3:15:36 - 3:15:37) time in the select board, [Speaker 6] (3:15:37 - 3:15:39) you know, predated me by three years. [Speaker 6] (3:15:39 - 3:15:45) So I encourage others to add in, um, but [Speaker 6] (3:15:46 - 3:15:49) I think your six years here on the Select Board, [Speaker 6] (3:15:49 - 3:15:51) David, have been momentous. [Speaker 6] (3:15:52 - 3:16:00) There have been a number of things that have happened in this town that I know you have been very central to. [Speaker 5] (3:16:01 - 3:16:04) And as have many, many other people, [Speaker 5] (3:16:04 - 3:16:08) I'm sure you'd be the first one to give others credit, [Speaker 5] (3:16:09 - 3:16:14) but the fact that we have a new elementary school here, [Speaker 5] (3:16:14 - 3:16:16) I know that you were highly, [Speaker 5] (3:16:16 - 3:16:18) highly involved in that effort, [Speaker 5] (3:16:18 - 3:16:21) maybe part of your select board efforts, [Speaker 5] (3:16:21 - 3:16:23) but more broadly than that. [Speaker 5] (3:16:24 - 3:16:31) The fact that we have major open space acquisitions over the course of your tenure, [Speaker 5] (3:16:31 - 3:16:32) I know you were very, [Speaker 5] (3:16:32 - 3:16:34) very central to those efforts. [Speaker 5] (3:16:35 - 3:16:40) The fact that we have veterans housing on its way. [Speaker 5] (3:16:42 - 3:16:53) I know you were a cornerstone of ensuring that that happened as faithfully as possible to the veterans wishes. [Speaker 5] (3:16:54 - 3:17:10) And I know another thing that you're very proud of is I think the work that happened in bringing the police out of fire out of civil service and what that it's enabled us to be able to do in terms of our recruitment efforts. [Speaker 5] (3:17:12 - 3:17:15) You know, there are probably a million other examples. [Speaker 5] (3:17:16 - 3:17:21) I know that you are the one that brought the CPA to my attention, [Speaker 5] (3:17:21 - 3:17:33) and it was only by virtue of the fact that you were doing so many other things that you were looking for some other chap to help bring it forward. [Speaker 5] (3:17:33 - 3:17:34) So you deserve, [Speaker 5] (3:17:35 - 3:17:38) I'm not really sure whether or not that would have happened were it not. [Speaker 5] (3:17:38 - 3:18:01) not for you and I think you know while it's been extremely difficult at times I think you have tried your best to ensure that we were all what's the right way to say it [Speaker 5] (3:18:03 - 3:18:23) adhering to the rules you know I know that that will be a somewhat provocative comment but I don't mean it just be provocative I mean it to say that you were willing to enter the fire and sometimes sometimes getting it right sometimes maybe not but [Speaker 1] (3:18:23 - 3:18:40) but you were willing to try to really see through to the truth and I you know highly respect you for that, but certainly most of all I really, [Speaker 1] (3:18:40 - 3:18:42) really appreciate the fact that [Speaker 1] (3:18:43 - 3:18:59) You helped show me the ropes and carried forth on a lot of efforts that truly help transform this town for literally for decades. [Speaker 1] (3:19:00 - 3:19:09) The work that I've just rattled off here as well as many other things are going to help thousands and thousands and thousands of kids come through that elementary school. [Speaker 1] (3:19:10 - 3:19:15) you know, play it Archer and Hawthorne and, [Speaker 1] (3:19:15 - 3:19:17) oh, not to mention the hotel. [Speaker 1] (3:19:19 - 3:19:19) So, [Speaker 1] (3:19:19 - 3:19:27) you know, it's just amazing to think of what your efforts are going to do for so many people here in town. [Speaker 1] (3:19:27 - 3:19:29) So thank you very much. [Speaker 2] (3:19:29 - 3:19:30) Thanks, Doug. [Speaker 1] (3:19:34 - 3:19:36) I have other things to share for the broader, [Speaker 3] (3:19:36 - 3:19:36) Do [Speaker 1] (3:19:36 - 3:19:37) so [Speaker 3] (3:19:37 - 3:19:38) you want, do you want to? [Speaker 1] (3:19:38 - 3:19:38) I'll do it now. [Speaker 3] (3:19:38 - 3:19:38) Yes, please. [Speaker 4] (3:19:38 - 3:19:39) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 5] (3:19:39 - 3:19:39) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:19:39 - 3:19:43) I am really grateful to all of you. [Speaker 1] (3:19:44 - 3:19:48) It has been an incredible honor to serve with all of you. [Speaker 1] (3:19:48 - 3:19:52) I think you're going through some of those things that David, [Speaker 1] (3:19:52 - 3:19:55) you know, had played a huge role in. [Speaker 1] (3:19:55 - 3:20:02) But, you know, the fact that despite all of the hubbub that we've created along the way. [Speaker 1] (3:20:02 - 3:20:30) way there's been an enormous amount accomplished I think that is the somewhat surprising thing for people that might spend their time you know just having fun on social media is that despite all this like incredible progress on the hotel on veterans housing on the CPA just in the last three years even [Speaker 1] (3:20:30 - 3:20:55) um the climate initiatives the passing of the climate action plan all that we've done on specialized energy code this board has been unanimous and moving forward all of those things um in in that regard in supporting the climate action committee uh the you know veterans housing i think is just the beginning i mean we're putting basically almost a million dollars a year away in the cpa [Speaker 1] (3:20:56 - 3:21:22) and just split that up in thirds there's a lot of money there in the future for future affordable housing historic preservation more open space it's you know it could go on and on about you know all that we have keeping the budget lid as tight as we possibly can while still respecting the services that the town deserves and needs [Speaker 1] (3:21:22 - 3:21:31) So I think that is, it's pretty wild to kind of have that frame of, you know, everything that actually happens in a couple of years. [Speaker 1] (3:21:32 - 3:21:43) So I really appreciate all of your friendship and colleagueship and pushback and everything that came along the way. [Speaker 1] (3:21:44 - 3:21:46) And I extend that to people that are on committees. [Speaker 1] (3:21:47 - 3:21:55) You know, I think, you know, Liz Smith gets the award for most attendees, attendance at the select board meetings, [Speaker 1] (3:21:55 - 3:21:57) which is really, [Speaker 1] (3:21:57 - 3:21:58) you know, incredible. [Speaker 1] (3:21:58 - 3:22:01) You know, Katie's trying to, you know, catch up. [Speaker 1] (3:22:02 - 3:22:05) But, you know, that's really, that's real dedication. [Speaker 1] (3:22:06 - 3:22:10) And to so many other people that serve on so many committees, the town staff. [Speaker 1] (3:22:10 - 3:22:11) Patrick, [Speaker 1] (3:22:11 - 3:22:13) probably you amongst, [Speaker 1] (3:22:13 - 3:22:27) you know, above anybody, frankly, you've been at more of these meetings and provided us with incredibly sober, straightforward advice that's, you know, just critical. [Speaker 1] (3:22:27 - 3:22:28) So, [Speaker 1] (3:22:28 - 3:22:36) you know, so many other people in town that deserve so much credit. So I'll try to keep it. [Speaker 1] (3:22:36 - 3:22:39) Not from going on and on and on, but just very grateful. [Speaker 6] (3:22:40 - 3:22:41) Thanks, Doug. [Speaker 6] (3:22:43 - 3:22:44) David? [Speaker 1] (3:22:46 - 3:22:47) I'd like to go last if possible. [Speaker 6] (3:22:47 - 3:22:49) Sure, I would mind that. Danielle? [Speaker 7] (3:22:50 - 3:23:03) Um okay. So in true Danielle fashion I don't uh have anything prepared. Um but I always speak right from the heart or the horse's mouth, whatever you wanna call it. Um [Speaker 7] (3:23:04 - 3:23:04) Doug, [Speaker 7] (3:23:05 - 3:23:08) I have such a new, [Speaker 7] (3:23:08 - 3:23:10) not newfound appreciation for you, [Speaker 7] (3:23:10 - 3:23:16) but way more appreciation for you now than I did possibly at the beginning of my term. [Speaker 7] (3:23:17 - 3:23:28) Your ability to mediate and meet in the middle and find compromise has been a really welcome change on this board. And there is so much to your credit. [Speaker 7] (3:23:28 - 3:23:31) I don't, it's a very long list that we would be here all night. [Speaker 7] (3:23:32 - 3:23:33) And I. [Speaker 7] (3:23:34 - 3:23:45) To say I valued your participation and ability to really kind of herd this group of cats on many occasions is saying very little, [Speaker 7] (3:23:45 - 3:23:46) but so I thank you. [Speaker 7] (3:23:47 - 3:23:48) I learned a lot from you. [Speaker 7] (3:23:48 - 3:23:52) I really appreciated all your effort and all the good things you've done, [Speaker 7] (3:23:52 - 3:23:53) and there are a lot of good things. [Speaker 7] (3:23:55 - 3:23:58) David Grishman, when I first got on this board, [Speaker 7] (3:23:58 - 3:24:02) you were probably as eager to see me sitting in this chair as... [Speaker 7] (3:24:02 - 3:24:06) You know, you would be to get a really bad rash, [Speaker 7] (3:24:06 - 3:24:06) right? [Speaker 7] (3:24:06 - 3:24:13) I was probably the last person you'd want to have sitting next to you for two or three potential years, [Speaker 7] (3:24:13 - 3:24:23) and you were nothing but gracious and welcoming to me when I came on. Much to my dismay, did not anticipate that, so kudos to you. [Speaker 7] (3:24:23 - 3:24:27) And through the past two years of being here, [Speaker 7] (3:24:27 - 3:24:30) we have gone toe to toe, nose to nose. [Speaker 7] (3:24:30 - 3:24:33) I think I asked you to dance. I think I said, [Speaker 7] (3:24:33 - 3:24:37) Grishman, you want to dance on this one one day? And we've fought and [Speaker 1] (3:24:37 - 3:24:37) I did. [Speaker 7] (3:24:37 - 3:24:38) yeah, [Speaker 7] (3:24:38 - 3:24:41) and we disagreed on veterans, [Speaker 7] (3:24:41 - 3:24:42) on former TA, [Speaker 7] (3:24:42 - 3:24:46) on assessors, on you name it, right? [Speaker 7] (3:24:48 - 3:24:53) It is one of my biggest accomplishments that I can easily say after fighting with you, [Speaker 7] (3:24:53 - 3:25:01) I can still look at you and share candy with you and trade with you and see you on the street and say hi to you and you do the same back to me. [Speaker 7] (3:25:02 - 3:25:05) And there is a certain level of appreciation for that that is really second to none. [Speaker 7] (3:25:06 - 3:25:12) So I appreciate always having that good relationship with you and, you know, as much as we disagree. [Speaker 7] (3:25:13 - 3:25:34) You've done a lot, you've done a lot of good and smart things and you have a lot of very valuable lessons to teach me and everybody else on this board and you know I was really, really glad to work alongside of you and I really appreciated everything you did, but I really do say from the bottom of my heart. [Speaker 7] (3:25:35 - 3:25:46) To be able to look at somebody and argue and disagree and then at the same time have the respect for them to be congenial and, you know, turn the page and know that it's not personal and it's really just. [Speaker 7] (3:25:47 - 3:26:16) matter of disagreement and we can still be friends and you know see each other around town and there's you know no time lost so thank you for that and thank you for all that you've done and I know I will attribute every beer garden to you and every active fun social recreation in this town that didn't exist before you to you and I know a lot of people that are very grateful for that too so but that's the small stuff right but again thank you it was it's been a pleasure [Speaker 7] (3:26:21 - 3:26:22) I think it's all been said. [Speaker 6] (3:26:23 - 3:26:23) It's all been said? [Speaker 1] (3:26:23 - 3:26:24) Mm-hmm. [Speaker 6] (3:26:24 - 3:26:26) Nothing from reports? You're always good for reports and committees. [Speaker 7] (3:26:26 - 3:26:27) My eyes just left. [Speaker 6] (3:26:27 - 3:26:28) Oh, okay. [Speaker 6] (3:26:30 - 3:26:34) Well, I will give David the request to go last. [Speaker 6] (3:26:34 - 3:26:38) I think it's fitting you gentlemen are going out together. [Speaker 6] (3:26:39 - 3:26:46) You've spent a good part of my tenure on the board trying to communicate with each other and be unified. [Speaker 6] (3:26:48 - 3:27:00) execute on that unification and that is really quite important to how this board understood things and moved forward and got to the other side of things. [Speaker 6] (3:27:01 - 3:27:11) You know I agree with Danielle we didn't always agree but there is something to be said for showing up to the good and the bad and showing up in [Speaker 6] (3:27:13 - 3:27:15) The way that you both show passion, [Speaker 6] (3:27:16 - 3:27:17) although it's different, [Speaker 6] (3:27:17 - 3:27:19) is equally important. [Speaker 6] (3:27:21 - 3:27:38) Doug, you have mediated through some of the most complicated situations that the board has been in in recent years and I thank you for being a sounding board for me to try to get through some of those situations because it's not been easy and you've always picked up my call. [Speaker 6] (3:27:39 - 3:27:39) I appreciate it. [Speaker 6] (3:27:40 - 3:27:42) Um, and David, [Speaker 6] (3:27:43 - 3:27:46) my call to you have not always been pleasant. [Speaker 6] (3:27:47 - 3:27:49) I am the, I have criticized, [Speaker 6] (3:27:49 - 3:27:56) I have asked, you know, for you to give grace and take the high road and you always tried. [Speaker 6] (3:27:56 - 3:28:00) And I think that. [Speaker 6] (3:28:01 - 3:28:19) That is all I could ask and that is all I continue to ask of you and you always continue to try to give that to me and for that I am very grateful and appreciative on top of all of your other accomplishments we had the relationship factor [Speaker 1] (3:28:42 - 3:29:08) And thank you to your families for their sacrifice for the service of the town because I will be the first to acknowledge that is the biggest piece of this is the amount of time and energy you both gave because you wouldn't have run if you weren't going to as a toll on your families and it is 100% a sacrifice you make for this community that goes pretty much unnoticed. [Speaker 1] (3:29:09 - 3:29:24) in a normal situation from a normal town member but as a sitting board member with you I acknowledge and appreciate that and I hope your family is listening and watching to you to know that I acknowledge and appreciate them for that thank [Speaker 1] (3:29:26 - 3:29:26) you both very much [Speaker 2] (3:29:27 - 3:29:29) If my kids are still watching at 10.04, [Speaker 2] (3:29:29 - 3:29:32) I'm going to be pretty, pretty upset [Speaker 1] (3:29:32 - 3:29:32) Watch [Speaker 2] (3:29:32 - 3:29:32) because [Speaker 1] (3:29:32 - 3:29:32) tomorrow. [Speaker 2] (3:29:32 - 3:29:34) bedtime was 9.30. [Speaker 2] (3:29:37 - 3:29:41) So many people I want to thank, but I want to start with the voters. [Speaker 2] (3:29:41 - 3:29:42) They elected me twice. [Speaker 2] (3:29:43 - 3:29:48) Thank you. Thank you for your trust in me to bring a commitment to community. [Speaker 2] (3:29:49 - 3:30:02) Um, it's a Swampskit. Uh, you know, as as as Danielle mentioned, uh, you know, in twenty nineteen I got involved uh with the town uh heavily bringing, you know, beer gardens uh to to town. [Speaker 2] (3:30:03 - 3:30:17) Um something that hadn't been done before um really wasn't given any guardrails or really any anything and uh it was just, you know, thrown into the deep end, uh figured out uh and we did. [Speaker 2] (3:30:17 - 3:30:34) And as a result, we have a we have a much more a much better town as a result, not without some hiccups and some some things that we can improve on but but it really was something that that really brought a lot of joy to to our residents, [Speaker 2] (3:30:34 - 3:30:39) you know and really time flies over these last six years you know when you're getting things accomplished, [Speaker 2] (3:30:39 - 3:30:45) and it was a pleasure to serve on behalf of all 15,000 residents of Swampscott. [Speaker 2] (3:30:46 - 3:30:48) And next I want to thank town staff. [Speaker 2] (3:30:48 - 3:30:54) Thank you for working with us and on behalf of the board to make swamps get a great place to live, work and play. [Speaker 2] (3:30:54 - 3:30:58) We have such a dedicated group of women and men working for the town. [Speaker 2] (3:30:59 - 3:31:04) And just know that I appreciate all of your efforts and energies and hard work each and every day. [Speaker 2] (3:31:04 - 3:31:12) And even if you don't hear from me or you don't hear from the board on a daily basis, please know your work matters and is very much appreciated. [Speaker 2] (3:31:14 - 3:31:18) And I didn't have the chance to thank many of my former colleagues. [Speaker 2] (3:31:18 - 3:31:26) I happened to miss these last meetings because my wife has me traveling all over the continental United States and the world at times. [Speaker 2] (3:31:26 - 3:31:30) But I certainly want to thank the former colleagues that I served with, [Speaker 2] (3:31:30 - 3:31:30) Neil Duffy, [Speaker 2] (3:31:30 - 3:31:32) Peter Spellios, Polly Tickcomb, [Speaker 2] (3:31:32 - 3:31:34) and the junior senator from Arizona, [Speaker 2] (3:31:34 - 3:31:35) Don Haas, [Speaker 2] (3:31:35 - 3:31:36) the Michigan buddy, [Speaker 2] (3:31:36 - 3:31:37) the Michigan Don. [Speaker 2] (3:31:38 - 3:31:42) I also want to thank my current colleagues. We've had some difficult meetings. [Speaker 2] (3:31:43 - 3:31:44) Last week was tough. [Speaker 2] (3:31:45 - 3:31:45) Last, [Speaker 2] (3:31:46 - 3:31:54) you know, last couple of years have been, we've been difficult. We've done difficult things. We've had difficult conversations. [Speaker 2] (3:31:54 - 3:31:55) We haven't agreed, [Speaker 2] (3:31:55 - 3:32:01) you know, but it's my hope now that with our new town administrator, [Speaker 2] (3:32:01 - 3:32:02) the support of the board. [Speaker 2] (3:32:04 - 3:32:16) The chaos of the last two years has been reined in and that we can we can get on with the with the business of the town. So thank you to to each and every one of you. [Speaker 2] (3:32:17 - 3:32:25) And then last but certainly not least, I want to leave you with just the thought about change that needs to be made. [Speaker 2] (3:32:26 - 3:32:29) My opinion just regarding town council, [Speaker 2] (3:32:29 - 3:32:30) especially real estate matters. [Speaker 2] (3:32:31 - 3:32:56) Um, town council in my opinion is insufficient uh and should be replaced and while we may not directly save money in legal services we can avoid a number of outcomes which may be negative uh which include but are not limited to the commigate from the veterans project, we can avoid the need to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars as a result of a U_U_ settlement, which [Speaker 2] (3:32:57 - 3:33:26) may have been mishandled and we can avoid the need to seek town meeting approval multiple times for Archer street land acquisitions because information provided in the warrant was incorrect just to name a few. Town council does things some things very well but real estate in my view it does not and what do you know we have much in the way of real estate happening today and as such it's my opinion my strong opinion my professional opinion that we need change and we likely needed it yesterday. [Speaker 2] (3:33:27 - 3:33:28) Um [Speaker 2] (3:33:30 - 3:33:40) but today is our last meeting. Um, you know just a big thank you to Doug. Uh Doug I will always remember your uh um your proficiency with markers, [Speaker 2] (3:33:41 - 3:33:42) colour-coded. [Speaker 2] (3:33:43 - 3:33:55) Um your organisational skills, uh your ability to mediate, um and just your rela your uh your willingness to be the uh the great compromiser, the Henry Clay of of modern [Speaker 3] (3:33:55 - 3:33:55) Hmm. [Speaker 2] (3:33:55 - 3:33:56) day. Um [Speaker 2] (3:33:57 - 3:34:24) You know, so I do think uh I think those skills came in came in handy. Um and certainly uh, you know, the C_P_A_ is a is a legacy that you uh that you leave us um and you know, thank you and you know I I do believe that we're gonna see some incredible things as a result of those efforts over the next uh the next decades uh to come. Um one of the things that I would like to see uh you know Mary Ellen had the um [Speaker 2] (3:34:24 - 3:34:41) you know, had had all the Eagle scouts posted on the board and posted I would like to see the names of everyone who served on the select board within the town of Swampscott to be to be posted somewhere in town hall. [Speaker 2] (3:34:41 - 3:35:10) I think that would be a great tribute and honor and something where, you know, Doug can come back and and and shuffle in in twenty or thirty years and see his uh and see his name. Uh and and all of us in future generations and previous uh select board members can come in and and and see their name and point and say, hey, this is you know this is what I uh I spent three years, six years, nine years uh in some instances decades uh serving the town. I think that would be [Speaker 2] (3:35:10 - 3:35:20) You know, a small token for past and future um select board members. And just a reminder, um good luck to everybody running in the election tomorrow. [Speaker 2] (3:35:21 - 3:35:30) And I encourage everybody to please make your plan to vote. Polls open at seven AM and stay open till eight PM. Everything at Swampscott High School. [Speaker 2] (3:35:30 - 3:35:31) Thank you. [Speaker 1] (3:35:33 - 3:35:34) Thank you very much. So our [Speaker 1] (3:35:35 - 3:35:39) If there's nothing further, entertain a motion to adjourn. [Speaker 4] (3:35:39 - 3:35:41) Could I could I just add one thing? [Speaker 1] (3:35:41 - 3:35:41) No, you can't, Ed. [Speaker 4] (3:35:42 - 3:35:43) I really quick. [Speaker 1] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43) judgment. [Speaker 4] (3:35:43 - 3:35:45) I th I think it was actually Mary Ellen and Diane. [Speaker 4] (3:35:46 - 3:35:49) Your names are already hanging in the old select board meeting room. [Speaker 4] (3:35:50 - 3:35:51) There's they're all up. [Speaker 4] (3:35:52 - 3:35:57) We it was one of the first things I did. They had been waiting in Diane's office to get up and we had it put up in the first couple of weeks. [Speaker 4] (3:35:57 - 3:35:59) We do need to update your [Speaker 4] (3:35:59 - 3:36:08) your name cards but it for that exact reason we put it down in that room because that had been tried a meeting here where where you all were doing the work on a weekly basis so [Speaker 4] (3:36:08 - 3:36:14) It's a recognition that we completely agree with from the town staff side and it's there for you to shuffle in whenever you'd like. [Speaker 2] (3:36:14 - 3:36:15) Awesome. Yeah, [Speaker 2] (3:36:15 - 3:36:16) I just haven't been in that [Speaker 4] (3:36:16 - 3:36:16) Yeah, [Speaker 2] (3:36:16 - 3:36:16) room in [Speaker 4] (3:36:16 - 3:36:16) I know. [Speaker 2] (3:36:16 - 3:36:18) ever. [Speaker 4] (3:36:18 - 3:36:23) So I wanted everyone to know it was there because we got it up right away, but I I don't think we talked about it other than letting you [Speaker 5] (3:36:23 - 3:36:23) think [Speaker 4] (3:36:23 - 3:36:23) know that [Speaker 5] (3:36:23 - 3:36:23) it was [Speaker 4] (3:36:23 - 3:36:23) we got [Speaker 5] (3:36:23 - 3:36:23) Peter [Speaker 4] (3:36:23 - 3:36:23) it up. [Speaker 5] (3:36:23 - 3:36:24) Spilios' [Speaker 5] (3:36:24 - 3:36:25) request. [Speaker 5] (3:36:25 - 3:36:26) Peter did not want a [Speaker 1] (3:36:26 - 3:36:26) He [Speaker 5] (3:36:26 - 3:36:26) chair. [Speaker 1] (3:36:26 - 3:36:27) wanted a chair. [Speaker 5] (3:36:27 - 3:36:27) I think [Speaker 1] (3:36:27 - 3:36:27) Yes. [Speaker 5] (3:36:27 - 3:36:28) this was I think that was Peter's [Speaker 2] (3:36:28 - 3:36:29) That's that's [Speaker 5] (3:36:29 - 3:36:29) Peter's [Speaker 2] (3:36:29 - 3:36:29) correct. [Speaker 5] (3:36:29 - 3:36:30) Peter's thing. [Speaker 2] (3:36:30 - 3:36:31) Okay. [Speaker 1] (3:36:33 - 3:36:39) Alright so now I will entertain a motion from one of our outgoing colleagues to adjourn. [Speaker 4] (3:36:39 - 3:36:40) So moved. [Speaker 2] (3:36:40 - 3:36:40) Second. [Speaker 1] (3:36:41 - 3:36:42) Alright all those in favor? [Speaker 2] (3:36:42 - 3:36:42) Aye. [Speaker 4] (3:36:42 - 3:36:42) Aye. [Speaker 5] (3:36:42 - 3:36:43) Aye. [Speaker 4] (3:36:43 - 3:36:43) Aye. [Speaker 1] (3:36:43 - 3:36:44) Thank you.