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Ready?

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Ready?

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Ready.

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Okay.

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Okay. Uh welcome to the new and exciting select board meeting on uh May 6th. This meeting's gonna be recorded. Katie's running a little bit late so she should be here in a couple minutes but we're gonna start and get things going. And if you would please rise and join us in the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of

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Amen. Amen. Amen.

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America,

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Amen.

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation, under God,

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indivisible,

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indivisible,

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with

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liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, I did say that the meeting is being recorded and this is a

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A new era for us. We have two new select board members,

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Mr. Dooley and Mr. Spritz.

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And we're going to start off with the town administrators report.

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Thank you very much.

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First,

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I want to welcome the two new members to the board here tonight for your first meeting.

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I'm looking forward to working with each of you. I've had the pleasure to work with you in your previous roles here in town and other appointed and elected boards.

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So I'm looking forward to continue to partner with you to make sure we can be working towards great outcomes for the community.

[Speaker 4] (1:26 - 1:48)
Um as we welcome the two new members, I also wanna welc or thank uh Katie Dupont, our town clerk, and her team who ran the election, um that we had last week. It was Katie's first full election here in town with us and I thought she and the team did very very well and I wanna recognise the effort of all the volunteers and staff and senior work-off staff that supported that effort. So thank you very much, Katie.

[Speaker 4] (1:50 - 2:05)
Next I wanted to highlight that we have also kicked off the beach sticker program with the sales this week. We will be shortly introducing the artwork and the artist a little later tonight, but I wanted to highlight some of the effort that's gone into it this week, again with our senior work off staff,

[Speaker 4] (2:05 - 2:09)
the REC staff, as well as customer service.

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Just from Monday until today, we have sold over 300 stickers so far. There was a particular rush Monday morning,

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which I think, you know, if you've been in town hall,

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it was...

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all the buzzing.

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We were working very hard to balance the folks that were in town hall for transactions other than beach stickers,

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phone calls, emails,

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the whole nine yards.

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And I thought the team did a really great job.

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Again,

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it's a credit to the staff,

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specifically customer service and the senior work staff that are out in the lobby doing everything they can to move those as quickly as possible.

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So thank you very much for all that.

[Speaker 4] (2:41 - 3:09)
After the initial kick-off on Monday, Tuesday was also really busy because it was a great beach day. So hopefully uh this will continue and we'll be able to get as many folks as possible their stickers going forward. Um one additional item related to the stickers that I just wanted to highlight that's been flagged at town hall, is that at fishermen's beach the parking restrictions that were put in place last year are now coming back into place where the sticker is required I believe between five a m and four p m, if I have it correct. Um enforcement will be coming shortly.

[Speaker 4] (3:09 - 3:19)
right now it's a little opportunity for everyone to get their sticker and and sort of make sure we're we're following all the rules but that is something to just be aware of that with May 1st that has kicked back in as well

[Speaker 4] (3:20 - 3:38)
Um one other item related to customer service as uh as a topic that I wanted to highlight is Crissy Reposo. Uh celebrated twenty years last week with uh the town of Swanscott which is a great achievement for anyone. Um but we're particularly lucky to have her, as are all of the dogs that come to visit town hall with her treats,

[Speaker 4] (3:38 - 3:48)
um because of that, for that she puts in on a on a weekly basis. Uh she helps keep things moving down there, keeps it light. We're incredibly lucky to have her and we got together as a group to celebrate her at town hall last week.

[Speaker 4] (3:48 - 3:49)
last week, so I wanted to highlight that.

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In sort of the HR front broadly I wanted to update that we are in active bargaining with the fire union, the DPW union and the library.

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We've had frank discussions and productive discussions with each of them. I anticipate getting together in executive session with the full board so that we can make sure everyone has sort of a baseline of where we are and where we intend to go.

[Speaker 4] (4:09 - 4:14)
And in addition to that I wanted to highlight on the HR front that I've had some

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initial exploratory very broad level discussions on a potential intermunicipal agreement to look at a principal assessor that would be a regional resource as well. I will be coming back to you all with more information on that. We're really not at the point that there's much to report beyond the fact that I'm having some initial discussions, but I wanted to flag for you all that that's out there.

[Speaker 4] (4:34 - 5:00)
Um and then finally on the HR front as well, the police department has completed their promotional exams and I'll be sitting with the chief in the coming week uh to work through his recommendations and then also do interviews of my own. So I'm looking forward to talking about that. Um one piece that I just want to highlight broadly is uh in an effort to be as consistent as possible and make sure that we're updating you all weekly um I've asked and this has been sort of an ongoing discussion with

[Speaker 4] (5:00 - 5:29)
uh Shannon and others on the board to make sure that we have sort of a parking lot of lists so that there is nothing that I am missing that we either talk about here in the T_A_ update or that comes up in the course of your deliberations in any given evening so that we can make sure that we are as responsive as possible to you all. Um in that regard there's a three quick items that I just wanted to highlight that couple were from uh previous members of the board that are no longer with us, but I wanted to share with everyone in share with the community. The fisherman's speech study was talked about, a request for more information.

[Speaker 4] (5:29 - 5:31)
from Doug Thompson.

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I've talked to Gino about that.

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I think our best path forward is to actually have Kleinfeld do a full presentation to the full board rather than me giving a brief update.

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We'll have them here to be able to answer technical questions and provide an update on where we stand.

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There was also a discussion about the creation of an account for the proceeds of the Pine Street project where we had initially been looking, I think, end of 25, beginning of 26 in the minutes and in the

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Agendas in further discussion with KP, it was identified that the discussion happened at the July 22nd meeting last summer.

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There was a unanimous vote to talk about a special authorized stabilization fund which would put the money directly from the transaction into an account that was meant to be spent just on improvements to 89 Burrell.

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That is something that that money or those monies will not be coming to us until the CEO is certified.

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certified so we will have a topic for a warrant article rather for the fall town meeting to make sure that it meets that request and that the board had put forward as a recommended article and you all will be able to decide on it but the previous board did vote five to nothing in favor of moving forward with that so that those monies were set aside for improvements to 89 barrel and with that I am happy to take any questions

[Speaker 1] (6:50 - 6:51)
Danielle?

[Speaker 5] (6:51 - 6:53)
Um, I don't have any, Marilyn.

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Wayne?

[Speaker 6] (6:54 - 6:54)
Not at the moment.

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Mr. Dooley?

[Speaker 7] (6:56 - 6:58)
Yes. Um was

[Speaker 7] (6:58 - 7:08)
I was wondering if every month when you give your report, I think Gino did this when he was acting T_A_ gave a report on the um permit fees that were being collected by the building commissioner's office.

[Speaker 4] (7:08 - 7:08)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (7:08 - 7:14)
I was hoping you might be able to update us every month or maybe every quarter on um the fees that are being collected through that office.

[Speaker 4] (7:14 - 7:14)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (7:15 - 7:15)
That'd

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And

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be great.

[Speaker 4] (7:15 - 7:27)
I think and Patrick's here. I think it might m if I can just speak to each of you, maybe today or after this, we can either do a full year to date for any fees that are collected or if there's other things

[Speaker 4] (7:27 - 7:29)
These are the things you guys want to identify, we can just make that part of the report.

[Speaker 7] (7:30 - 7:31)
Perfect, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (7:31 - 7:39)
Well, we're supposed to be getting quarterly reports on everything, so that would be covered in quarterlies, as soon as we start getting quarterlies.

[Speaker 7] (7:40 - 7:40)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (7:40 - 7:42)
Um I have a couple questions.

[Speaker 7] (7:42 - 7:42)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (7:42 - 8:04)
Um historically uh we would get weekly updates from the TAA on what's happening in town, such as there's an issue with the pier or negotiations are here or there or um contracts are being worked on, whatever it is, but we used we used to always get a weekly report and I'm just wondering is could you could you get us a weekly report, is that possible?

[Speaker 4] (8:04 - 8:06)
I can, and if you would like I can also include the

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also included in the packet, so that it is posted along with the rest of this information going forward. So

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Whatever you

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with each

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can,

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meeting.

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whatever you can

[Speaker 4] (8:13 - 8:13)
Happy to.

[Speaker 1] (8:13 - 8:14)
do will be great. Um

[Speaker 1] (8:16 - 8:29)
Any other question I, oh, also including anything coming out of the Statehouse. Um at the last Select Board meeting, you actually uh said something about sending out updates on police and fire, what going on. Which is when when would those be?

[Speaker 4] (8:29 - 8:32)
I did get those reports this week and they will be included this week.

[Speaker 1] (8:32 - 8:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (8:32 - 8:33)
I'm Friday of this week.

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And the

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The fire chief said that he was going to be I w I had requested for the fire chief to give us the update on how many tickets were actually written on uh

[Speaker 4] (8:43 - 8:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (8:44 - 8:44)
Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 4] (8:44 - 8:45)
Yep.

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So I actually have that I was gonna mention it during the Cedar Hill portion,

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Okay,

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because that that was

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would

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where

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be great.

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it came up, but I can give you the rundown right now if you'd like.

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Whatever works for you.

[Speaker 4] (8:53 - 8:54)
It's up to you.

[Speaker 1] (8:54 - 8:55)
Cedar Hill, that's good.

[Speaker 4] (8:55 - 8:55)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (8:55 - 9:01)
Um do you hap happen to know f do we have a firefighter retire after thirty years, do you know?

[Speaker 4] (9:01 - 9:02)
I do not know, to be honest. I

[Speaker 1] (9:02 - 9:02)
Okay,

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couldn't

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can you just

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speak for

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find

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sure.

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out if we had

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I'd be happy

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had

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to.

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one. Um also are the budgets frozen or

[Speaker 4] (9:09 - 9:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (9:09 - 9:11)
they are fro when did they get frozen?

[Speaker 1] (9:13 - 9:13)
Seven weeks ago?

[Speaker 8] (9:14 - 9:14)
Seven.

[Speaker 4] (9:14 - 9:14)
Several.

[Speaker 5] (9:14 - 9:14)
Seven.

[Speaker 1] (9:14 - 9:16)
Several weeks ago, okay.

[Speaker 1] (9:18 - 9:22)
And the only um

[Speaker 1] (9:22 - 9:30)
I just could you s speak to the chair of the board of assessors, because I think that they have some ideas on what they're looking for. Um

[Speaker 4] (9:30 - 9:30)
Of course.

[Speaker 1] (9:30 - 9:36)
you know possibly adding a part-time, you know, board of asse board assessor in there or

[Speaker 4] (9:36 - 9:37)
A second part-time assessor, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (9:37 - 9:43)
second part-time assessor. Yeah, I think that they had some ideas on there. I just wanna make sure that their community communicating that to you.

[Speaker 4] (9:43 - 9:48)
Yeah, and I've had a a brief discussion with Paul as well to make sure that if we were to do that in a

[Speaker 4] (9:48 - 9:53)
uh the way in which they're currently suggesting, which I would want to post it and not just have

[Speaker 1] (9:53 - 9:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (9:54 - 9:55)
uh name suggested to me, but

[Speaker 1] (9:55 - 9:55)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (9:55 - 9:59)
in the way they're suggesting it, we wanna make sure that it's complementary to Paul's skills.

[Speaker 1] (9:59 - 9:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (9:59 - 9:59)
And so

[Speaker 2] (9:59 - 9:59)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (9:59 - 10:17)
and skill set, but also with uh these initial discussions that I've not even beg gotten to the point of having a an idea to sit down with like a job description with Neil and Charlie and uh Rich on what the description should look like, but they would absolutely have a role in both the interview and any planning around an inter-municipal agreement as well.

[Speaker 2] (10:17 - 10:19)
Okay, that's perfect.

[Speaker 2] (10:20 - 10:21)
Alright, that's all my questions.

[Speaker 1] (10:21 - 10:21)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (10:23 - 10:23)
Katie is back.

[Speaker 3] (10:25 - 10:27)
Has anybody else been asked if they have questions?

[Speaker 2] (10:29 - 10:29)
Yep,

[Speaker 1] (10:29 - 10:29)
We all have.

[Speaker 2] (10:29 - 10:31)
we're all done. We're onto public comment now.

[Speaker 3] (10:32 - 10:32)
Very good.

[Speaker 1] (10:32 - 10:33)
Unless you have any questions for me.

[Speaker 2] (10:33 - 10:34)
Unless you have a question. Just

[Speaker 3] (10:34 - 10:35)
This

[Speaker 2] (10:35 - 10:35)
alright.

[Speaker 3] (10:35 - 10:42)
white people can't drive correctly in the rain is the only question I have. Um alright, so public comment. Thank you very Ellen. Um

[Speaker 3] (10:42 - 10:48)
As we all know public comments is three minutes. Please state your name and your address.

[Speaker 3] (10:49 - 10:56)
Nick will be keeping time for us. Thank you and we can

[Speaker 4] (10:56 - 10:57)
Can I ask one question?

[Speaker 2] (10:57 - 10:57)
Please.

[Speaker 4] (10:57 - 11:00)
Are we doing public comments separately for Cedar Hill?

[Speaker 4] (11:01 - 11:03)
Are we segregating that part?

[Speaker 4] (11:04 - 11:04)
And

[Speaker 3] (11:04 - 11:18)
Um, no traditionally we have taken all public comment in the beginning and then we talk about the topic. We have our own conversation about the topic, but we do not have the public talking about each of the subtopics unless it's a public hearing.

[Speaker 4] (11:19 - 11:19)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (11:19 - 11:25)
Is that right? Yeah, that's how we've been doing it. So if you're here to talk on Cedar Hill, then this is also the time for you to speak.

[Speaker 3] (11:27 - 11:28)
Please approach the mic,

[Speaker 3] (11:28 - 11:29)
your name and your address.

[Speaker 5] (11:37 - 11:44)
I was like my name is Albert Williams and I live at 11 Cedar Hill Terrace in Swampscott. I've lived there all my life.

[Speaker 5] (11:45 - 12:01)
Basically I'm here just to talk about an issue that's gone on for quite a while, the parking on Cedar Hill. It's really congested there in it's a residential street. However there's every day there's two to three

[Speaker 5] (12:02 - 12:11)
Employees from the um uh from the dentist office at the Park on the Hill and there's multiple cars.

[Speaker 5] (12:11 - 12:30)
It actually the upper left part of the hill is basically used as a junkyard at times for the garage on the corner. There there's several um companies in that garage, but basically that garage um in um over time it's just gotten to be ridiculous. I mean like

[Speaker 5] (12:31 - 12:55)
I'm sure a lot of you have come down to the bottom of the Cedar Hill and these cars are parked on both sides. And it makes it one lane, and depending on what car is parked on the on the uh right hand side, you might not be able to see the traffic coming from the other way. It's just really dangerous situation at the bottom of the hill that really needs to be addressed as one thing. Um a few years back

[Speaker 5] (12:56 - 13:02)
For whatever reason, they put a curb there it on the bottom, if you're looking up the hill the bottom right,

[Speaker 5] (13:02 - 13:04)
there's a curb stone put there.

[Speaker 5] (13:04 - 13:22)
And not sure the reason but to be honest with you it probably makes it a little worse 'cause the cars don't go over the curb to park and it narrows the road even more, but that's just a you know an observation of living there and, you know, s over time and in seeing what goes on. I mean,

[Speaker 5] (13:22 - 13:48)
Other issues, um like just getting out of my driveway. I have a boat, I commercially fish part time and getting in and out of my driveway with a trailer, if there's cars parked across the street, there's a garage up across the street from me and there's doors in the garage and you know they park the cars in front of the garage doors. So for me to try to make the swing in and out of my own yard, to

[Speaker 5] (13:48 - 13:54)
to get my boat out, it makes it extremely difficult. Um and um

[Speaker 5] (13:56 - 13:59)
the I I saw the I saw the plan um

[Speaker 5] (14:00 - 14:27)
that I believe the police came up with, I just to get a little history, I had and on ten twenty eight at twenty four I had started a conversation with the police, email conversation, and I sent them a petition of the people from the corner of Cedar Hill, um Humphrey Street, all the way up to the Sweeney, so there's one, two, three, four, five households that are really kind of on Cedar Hill, that you know the main part of it.

[Speaker 4] (14:27 - 14:28)
Thirty seconds, sorry.

[Speaker 5] (14:28 - 14:44)
Oh, okay. Um I guess if I want to get to the point that uh uh was important with I don't understand the police um are I believe they came up with the idea of having no parking on the if you're going up the hill on the left-hand side.

[Speaker 5] (14:44 - 14:57)
It's red and I just really don't understand that uh portion of it. Um I think that portion should be made residential and um that's my feelings basically on that.

[Speaker 1] (14:57 - 14:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (14:59 - 14:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (15:00 - 15:01)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (15:02 - 15:03)
Additional public comment,

[Speaker 3] (15:03 - 15:04)
please.

[Speaker 6] (15:12 - 15:14)
Hey everyone, it's not as tall as Al,

[Speaker 6] (15:15 - 15:41)
high for me. My name's Jim Sweeney, and um we're two houses up from uh from the Williams's um so uh our family's been in that house for over fifty years now. So um uh over time as Al said, um on the uh particularly on the um going up the hill on the left hand side, it's really become a parking lot for the businesses down the street. Um last i it's increased each year. Last summer there were some cars

[Speaker 6] (15:41 - 15:56)
cars that were there for not just weeks at a time, there was a couple of cars that were there for literally from Memorial Day to August, two or three months at a time, without of state plates many have not registered, they're really just using it as a storage area. And it becomes it makes the street very narrow. Um

[Speaker 6] (15:57 - 16:17)
And so it's really, that's for that kind of, apart from the bottom part of the street which is a safety problem, that's a bit of that's a safety problem too and that it makes the street very narrow. And they're there for literally weeks and months at a time these last few years. Um and so I wouldn't have any problem with it being resident only on that side,

[Speaker 6] (16:17 - 16:24)
um because a couple a car or two over there isn't a problem, but it's just it was the whole length of the street really all summer. Uh

[Speaker 6] (16:24 - 16:53)
e except for the mid-winter, really the last um last couple or few years. Um and so it makes the street very narrow, cars come around that corner quickly. Um some of them stop at that stop sign from Bayview, some of them don't. And it just it becomes very narrow. A little bit hard for us to to back out sometimes, not quite as much as as as a little bit further down, but it can be a little bit um can be a little bit tough. The bottom of the street is really a safety problem um as Al said, that um it really becomes one lane um because cars park

[Speaker 6] (16:53 - 17:19)
cars parked on both sides. Um mainly they're the ones from the garage too. Uh many times big ones from the from the garage and you can't see, so if you're if you're coming down the hill and a car is coming on Humphrey street and taking say towards Fisherman's Beach and taking a right, if they're coming around at all quick, they're going they're right on top of you beforehand. So I've been down the road, the car is like it's coming they're like, geez, stop before you, 'cause they don't see you necessarily 'cause this car is parked right there.

[Speaker 6] (17:18 - 17:45)
there. And it's really hard to see cars coming from the fishermen's beach end because cars park along Humphrey Street there all day right up to the corner. So you're kind of edging out all day like inch by inch and hoping that they're trying to see around so the car doesn't come along. So I know I have and I think probably others in the street too. Um we much uh it as much as possible avoid kind of going down the hill to get out and going up and around just because of that safety issue.

[Speaker 6] (17:45 - 17:55)
So um both both for the you know for that side being kind of limiting it to residents I think would be would be great and then to not have parking down at the bottom so that

[Speaker 1] (17:55 - 17:56)
Thirty seconds.

[Speaker 6] (17:56 - 17:57)
um there's the two lanes there.

[Speaker 1] (17:57 - 17:58)
Okay, you have thirty seconds left.

[Speaker 6] (17:59 - 17:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (17:59 - 18:08)
I think that's about the only other thing is that I don't know if there's a a town bylaw or anything on this. I think on the other side there's a like when you come to a corner there's a um

[Speaker 6] (18:09 - 18:36)
There's usually a certain amount of feet that you have to park back from the corner, so you're not like right on the corner. I think on the on the side where that where the forest is there's, I think there's a sign or there was, that you had to park like, you know, so many feet back from there. But there isn't in front of those garages, so they park right up to the corner, and that's what makes it hard to um to see cars coming down Humphrey Street. So if if they could even just park, you know, whatever the whatever the regulation is like twenty feet back.

[Speaker 4] (18:36 - 18:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (18:37 - 18:41)
Or 30 feet back. Then you could see the cars coming and I think that would help a lot too. Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (18:41 - 18:41)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (18:44 - 18:44)
Please.

[Speaker 2] (18:55 - 18:56)
Uh-oh.

[Speaker 8] (18:59 - 19:04)
Uh, okay. Hi, I'm Allison Arnett. Uh we live at twenty one Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 8] (19:05 - 19:07)
We've lived there almost fifty years.

[Speaker 8] (19:07 - 19:09)
We raised our kids there.

[Speaker 2] (19:09 - 19:09)
Competition.

[Speaker 8] (19:09 - 19:23)
Uh that hill is very dangerous for families and children. There are children going down that hill on bicycles, and it's a big it's a there,

[Speaker 8] (19:23 - 19:33)
you know, because it's steep. There are people going down with baby carriages. Y you can't see around the cars. The cars as Jim and

[Speaker 8] (19:33 - 19:40)
And Al said, turn that corner and come up the street without being able really to see anything,

[Speaker 8] (19:40 - 19:47)
often too fast. People come down Bayview and turn without stopping enough.

[Speaker 8] (19:47 - 19:49)
It's really,

[Speaker 8] (19:49 - 19:54)
it's both a one-way danger and a two-way danger.

[Speaker 1] (19:56 - 19:59)
and it's also really dangerous for families.

[Speaker 1] (19:59 - 20:04)
And there are many more families with children living on our hill than used to.

[Speaker 1] (20:04 - 20:14)
I mean, we were always kind of the only, we were the youngest. We were the only people with children. Now there are lots of children living on Bayview and Fuller and Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:15)
And,

[Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:19)
you know, you just, you don't want something really terrible to happen.

[Speaker 1] (20:19 - 20:27)
Just because we're protecting the car dealership down the street. That car dealership down the street. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (20:31 - 20:31)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (20:40 - 20:42)
Hi. Um I'm Darrell Smith.

[Speaker 3] (20:42 - 20:43)
I'm the dentist.

[Speaker 4] (20:44 - 20:44)
Ha ha.

[Speaker 3] (20:45 - 20:50)
And I've been in business in the town of Swampscott for 33 years.

[Speaker 3] (20:51 - 20:54)
And our

[Speaker 3] (20:55 - 20:55)
dentist,

[Speaker 3] (20:56 - 21:02)
my office is on Puritan, 26 Puritan Road and also abuts onto Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 3] (21:03 - 21:05)
I'm across the street from the car dealer.

[Speaker 3] (21:08 - 21:17)
I didn't receive any notice. I don't know if businesses receive notices for things like this, but I never got notice for last, your last meeting or tonight.

[Speaker 3] (21:17 - 21:19)
Just want to state that.

[Speaker 3] (21:20 - 21:31)
Um some of my staff does park on Cedar Hill Terrace. They park at the top. I've told them to only park at the top along the trees. Um

[Speaker 3] (21:33 - 21:44)
The bottom is definitely a mess. There should not be cars parked adjacent to the car dealer because it's tight corner,

[Speaker 3] (21:44 - 21:45)
visibility,

[Speaker 3] (21:46 - 21:47)
all the issues that we've heard.

[Speaker 3] (21:48 - 21:49)
I'm not opposed to that.

[Speaker 3] (21:50 - 21:58)
I'm not opposed to the residents if they want to keep parking to themselves in front of their houses. But it's very...

[Speaker 3] (22:00 - 22:21)
I have l elderly patients, patients in wheelchairs. I need my parking at my office so that my patients can access my office for essential service. Um we provide great service to this community. Um and I don't let my staff park in the staff.

[Speaker 3] (22:22 - 22:48)
parking areas because my patients need access. A couple can do it each day, but I need at least ten spots open for customers. Um and that works out pretty good. So occasionally myself or some staff will park at the top of the hill on Cedar Hill alongside the brush. Now that brush is encroached, totally overgrown the town parking our sidewalk.

[Speaker 3] (22:49 - 22:51)
the road gets wider there.

[Speaker 3] (22:51 - 22:59)
I don't see any good logical reason to restrict parking to my staff.

[Speaker 3] (23:00 - 23:02)
You know, it's daytime hours.

[Speaker 3] (23:03 - 23:14)
We're already restricted from the beach, which is a hardship because uh I don't get any resident permit parking. Maybe I can, I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (23:15 - 23:30)
Um that would be helpful, but my staff sometimes has to blo walk from blocks away. So it would be helpful that that spot stay open and available to parking, that top part on the south side of Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 3] (23:32 - 23:33)
So, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (23:48 - 23:51)
Hi, I'm Bill Walthall. I live at 23 Bayview Avenue,

[Speaker 5] (23:51 - 23:54)
up around the corner from my good friends and neighbours.

[Speaker 5] (23:54 - 23:58)
I've only been here for nine years, so I'm a newbie, so you can shout me down if you want.

[Speaker 5] (23:59 - 24:05)
Uh I'm also a client of the uh wonderful dental practice, and I promise I will walk instead of drive.

[Speaker 3] (24:05 - 24:05)
Uh.

[Speaker 5] (24:07 - 24:13)
What I'm worried about is if we just do a resident-only parking

[Speaker 5] (24:14 - 24:14)
uh

[Speaker 5] (24:14 - 24:25)
um solution to what is obviously a problem, especially at the very bottom of the hill. It's it'll take sometimes four or five minutes to take a left out of Cedar Hill Terrace, which is really dumb.

[Speaker 5] (24:25 - 24:34)
Um so I think there's probably some other approaches uh i maybe in combination with uh resident only parking.

[Speaker 5] (24:35 - 24:38)
Here's what I think would happen if we just did resonant only.

[Speaker 5] (24:38 - 24:52)
Everyone would just come up around the corner in front of my house and all sorts of other houses on Bayview Avenue and then we'd be back next year to do the same and then we will become a less and less inclusive town.

[Speaker 5] (24:52 - 25:01)
I love it in those few days like July 3rd when we have the fireworks and people from all over town will park along Bayview to walk down to watch the fireworks.

[Speaker 5] (25:01 - 25:01)
Love it.

[Speaker 5] (25:01 - 25:04)
Love it. Love to wave to them. Love to say hi to them. Invite them onto our deck,

[Speaker 5] (25:04 - 25:06)
but not every day.

[Speaker 5] (25:06 - 25:09)
The real problem is the car dealership.

[Speaker 5] (25:10 - 25:18)
They should not be allowed to park along any city street. They should have a lot where they park their inventory.

[Speaker 5] (25:20 - 25:27)
So I don't know exactly what bylaws might be necessary or are currently available to the police to enforce that,

[Speaker 5] (25:27 - 25:29)
but we should, one,

[Speaker 5] (25:29 - 25:32)
have no parking at all near the intersection.

[Speaker 5] (25:32 - 25:34)
It's just dumb.

[Speaker 5] (25:35 - 25:36)
They don't allow that in New York City.

[Speaker 5] (25:37 - 25:38)
So.

[Speaker 5] (25:39 - 25:51)
As much as I want to support my good friends on Cedar Hill Terrace, I just wonder if we can have a more robust solution because I completely agree with the problem.

[Speaker 5] (25:52 - 25:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (25:54 - 25:54)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (25:57 - 25:57)
Please.

[Speaker 7] (26:04 - 26:11)
George Allen, twenty seven Fairview Ave. Uh first of all a big welcome to Ted and Wayne. We're glad to have you on the board.

[Speaker 7] (26:12 - 26:20)
Uh and yes, this is about the Cedar Hill parking uh and there certainly are issues on Cedar Hill, there's no doubt, especially m down near the bottom near Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 7] (26:20 - 26:29)
I don't support residential parking on any part of the street. Uh in part because it would increase start street parking on Bayview Avenue, as we just heard from my next door neighbour Bill.

[Speaker 7] (26:30 - 26:38)
Um I do have three suggestions primarily about increasing the safety for cars coming out of that street onto Humphrey Street as well as cars trying

[Speaker 7] (26:38 - 26:40)
First, welcome to Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 7] (26:40 - 27:07)
First, and this is a fairly obvious one to me. Make the first one hundred feet of both sides of Cedar Hill Terrace from Humphrey Street all no parking with those white striped hash lines on it like Marblehead does. It makes it really clear you're not supposed to park there. Okay. This will get you your sufficient clearance and the line of sight for traffic turning from and onto Cedar Hill Terrace. I think that's critical regardless of the resident parking issue.

[Speaker 7] (27:07 - 27:31)
Um the next thing I would do is make the first twenty five p in front of the Four Seasons' motor group on the Humphrey street uh at the corner of Cedar Hill Terrace, no parking again with those hash lines. Uh again this is about clear sight lines for oncoming traffic when you're turning, especially turning left the or the east onto Humphrey from Cedar Hill Terrace. Uh so that these are all safety issues. Uh

[Speaker 7] (27:31 - 27:53)
Um and I also I would uh hope we can ensure and enforce that cars that are owned by Four Seasons motor group the uh the company on the corner are not parked on the street. That's Cedar Hill and Humphrey Street and Bayview Ave. And they're not exceeding any permit limit if there is one for the number of cars on their premises. Thanks.

[Speaker 8] (27:55 - 27:55)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (27:58 - 27:59)
Additional comments?

[Speaker 9] (27:59 - 28:00)
Please.

[Speaker 7] (28:11 - 28:24)
Good evening. Um I'm Eugene O'Brien. We live at 11 Fuller Avenue. Uh we back up to uh Cedar Hill Terrace. Uh I'm here I suppose to just echo pretty much what everybody else has said.

[Speaker 7] (28:24 - 28:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (28:24 - 28:29)
Large numbers want to make sure that you know that this is a dangerous situation at the bottom of the hill.

[Speaker 7] (28:30 - 28:35)
If I have to bring my boat down, which I do regularly, well, four or five times a year,

[Speaker 7] (28:36 - 28:41)
trying to get out onto Humphry Street is already a problem without a boat. Try it with a boat.

[Speaker 7] (28:41 - 28:42)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (28:48 - 28:49)
Okay, see it.

[Speaker 9] (28:49 - 28:52)
Seeing no additional comments online or in person,

[Speaker 9] (28:52 - 28:54)
I will read public comment which was emailed to me.

[Speaker 9] (28:54 - 28:57)
This is from a resident by the name of Barry Greenfield.

[Speaker 9] (28:58 - 29:02)
Good afternoon, my name is Barry Greenfield. I'm currently a resident of Swampscott and a former selectman.

[Speaker 9] (29:02 - 29:06)
I am 61 years old and an empty nester and hoping to stay in Swampscott for a long time.

[Speaker 9] (29:07 - 29:11)
I'm catching up on an issue of how to redevelop the town-owned land next to Mission on the Bay.

[Speaker 9] (29:11 - 29:15)
I've yet to hear any proposal that gives anybody in the town a win,

[Speaker 9] (29:16 - 29:18)
but there is a solution that will accommodate everybody's needs.

[Speaker 9] (29:18 - 29:19)
and give the taxpayers a break.

[Speaker 9] (29:20 - 29:22)
After raising two children here in town,

[Speaker 9] (29:22 - 29:29)
I agree there's a need for community indoor play space and that is available for residents throughout the non-outdoor play months.

[Speaker 9] (29:29 - 29:33)
This has always been an issue, although I was hopeful it would be resolved by the new elementary school gym.

[Speaker 9] (29:34 - 29:37)
It would have seemed this would have helped alleviate the issue.

[Speaker 9] (29:37 - 29:39)
At the same time, a community space,

[Speaker 9] (29:39 - 29:40)
whatever its makeup,

[Speaker 9] (29:40 - 29:43)
would be incredibly positive for all residents to have access for workshops,

[Speaker 9] (29:43 - 29:44)
classes,

[Speaker 9] (29:44 - 29:44)
and events.

[Speaker 9] (29:45 - 29:48)
Additionally, there's also not enough space at the current senior center,

[Speaker 9] (29:48 - 29:49)
nor is there enough affordable housing.

[Speaker 1] (30:00 - 30:07)
Lastly, my property taxes when I moved here in 2006 were $7,000. They are now $20,000 annually.

[Speaker 1] (30:07 - 30:13)
Any proposal for this parcel that does not speak to the issue of cost of living in this town will be dead on arrival,

[Speaker 1] (30:13 - 30:14)
in my humble opinion,

[Speaker 1] (30:14 - 30:15)
to most of the residents.

[Speaker 1] (30:15 - 30:16)
The solution,

[Speaker 1] (30:16 - 30:23)
the land currently owned by the town is being studied for use next to the mission on the bay could achieve all of the above with a mixed use project.

[Speaker 1] (30:24 - 30:27)
Smart towns and cities are no longer myopic when it comes to development.

[Speaker 1] (30:27 - 30:31)
I highly recommend the select board pack this type of effort,

[Speaker 1] (30:31 - 30:38)
bringing in two to three developers to discuss the cost of the project that would provide an entire floor of a building to community life center,

[Speaker 1] (30:38 - 30:39)
senior or affordable housing,

[Speaker 1] (30:39 - 30:46)
and multiple floors of condominiums whose revenue would support the cost of the entire project as well as much needed revenue to the tax base.

[Speaker 1] (30:46 - 30:49)
Retail on the street side with parking in between that.

[Speaker 1] (30:50 - 30:53)
That and the main structure is an ideal option to revitalize that part of Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 1] (30:54 - 30:55)
Mixed use is not a new concept,

[Speaker 1] (30:55 - 31:03)
and it's one that will give every resident in town a win and make any project that much more likely to be accepted.

[Speaker 1] (31:03 - 31:04)
Thank you, Barry Greenfield.

[Speaker 1] (31:08 - 31:10)
Oh, it looks like we have one more comment.

[Speaker 1] (31:10 - 31:11)
My apologies,

[Speaker 1] (31:11 - 31:11)
Mr.

[Speaker 1] (31:11 - 31:11)
Demento.

[Speaker 1] (31:20 - 31:21)
Go ahead, Mr. Demento.

[Speaker 2] (31:22 - 31:25)
Good evening and welcome to the new additions.

[Speaker 2] (31:26 - 31:39)
What I would like to comment on is the process relative to the issue you're going to bring up on the car dealership at the bottom of Cedar Hill.

[Speaker 2] (31:39 - 31:41)
I lived on Bayview Drive for 30 years.

[Speaker 2] (31:42 - 31:53)
And the only selection I ever encountered that cared about anything on that was Pete Spelios, and he tried very hard to get them under control and begged for police enforcement.

[Speaker 2] (31:53 - 32:00)
In my opinion, this is not a problem unless the police department,

[Speaker 2] (32:00 - 32:02)
which is only 100 yards away,

[Speaker 2] (32:02 - 32:03)
ignores it.

[Speaker 2] (32:03 - 32:15)
And the fact of the matter is they have ignored it for 30 years and it's just simply there's plenty of laws available relative to that what they're supposed to do. Their license is controlled.

[Speaker 2] (32:16 - 32:19)
A pedophot hard to get that. How many cars they have,

[Speaker 2] (32:20 - 32:21)
the use of the back lot,

[Speaker 2] (32:21 - 32:25)
everyone on that hill knows the history and how difficult it is.

[Speaker 2] (32:25 - 32:26)
A little,

[Speaker 2] (32:26 - 32:29)
not more than a lot of enforcement,

[Speaker 2] (32:29 - 32:33)
just a modicum of enforcement would cure that problem.

[Speaker 2] (32:33 - 32:35)
On the process issue,

[Speaker 2] (32:35 - 32:50)
I'd just like to ask if it makes any sense to have people get up at the beginning of a meeting and give public comment when the issue hasn't even been raised yet and the idea is that you're going to hear from the police department what should be done then.

[Speaker 2] (32:50 - 33:00)
Don't you think maybe you should be rethinking that position and calling public hearing when you're going to have an issue that obviously the neighbors are very concerned with?

[Speaker 2] (33:00 - 33:01)
A lot of these neighbors,

[Speaker 2] (33:01 - 33:07)
Jim Sweeney, Jack Sweeney lives right behind me for many,

[Speaker 2] (33:07 - 33:12)
many, many years and he and I and Steve Morantz would talk about all the time.

[Speaker 2] (33:12 - 33:19)
It's a continuing problem and maybe this is a good time to have the police department do something about it.

[Speaker 2] (33:19 - 33:20)
Thank you

[Speaker 1] (33:21 - 33:22)
Thank you, Mr.

[Speaker 1] (33:22 - 33:23)
Tomento.

[Speaker 1] (33:27 - 33:30)
All right. So we will move on to new and old business.

[Speaker 1] (33:30 - 33:35)
First item on the agenda is discussion and appointment of the select board chair and vice chair.

[Speaker 1] (33:37 - 33:38)
Take it away.

[Speaker 3] (33:38 - 33:42)
So this is the process by which you all will be reorganizing.

[Speaker 3] (33:43 - 33:44)
You know, new board.

[Speaker 3] (33:45 - 33:54)
I go through the process of identifying a nominee for chair and vice chair. It is something that you all will handle with nominations and and a vote.

[Speaker 1] (33:56 - 33:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (33:58 - 34:01)
So, would anybody like to make a nomination?

[Speaker 4] (34:02 - 34:04)
I nominate Katie Phelan for chair.

[Speaker 3] (34:04 - 34:05)
I'll second that.

[Speaker 1] (34:07 - 34:09)
Okay, would anybody like to make a nomination?

[Speaker 1] (34:09 - 34:11)
Oh, should we talk through that one first?

[Speaker 4] (34:11 - 34:12)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (34:12 - 34:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (34:14 - 34:14)
Danielle,

[Speaker 1] (34:14 - 34:15)
do you want to start?

[Speaker 4] (34:17 - 34:30)
Well, I think you've done a great job, and I think you should continue. That is my two cents. Um yeah, I think that you've you've let us well the past year, and I'd like to see you continue down that path. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (34:33 - 34:34)
Anybody else have a comment?

[Speaker 5] (34:35 - 34:38)
Danielle, this isn't something that you're interested in?

[Speaker 4] (34:39 - 34:39)
Nope.

[Speaker 4] (34:40 - 34:42)
Thank you for asking though. No.

[Speaker 5] (34:42 - 34:44)
Well generally we rotate, that's why I didn't wanna

[Speaker 4] (34:44 - 34:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (34:46 - 34:46)
leave you out.

[Speaker 4] (34:46 - 34:47)
I politely decline.

[Speaker 6] (34:50 - 34:52)
Katie, are you willing to accept a nomination?

[Speaker 1] (34:54 - 34:55)
Uh well

[Speaker 1] (34:57 - 34:57)
sure.

[Speaker 6] (34:57 - 34:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (34:59 - 35:03)
I could always choose to ask for help if I need it.

[Speaker 6] (35:04 - 35:04)
If you can.

[Speaker 1] (35:06 - 35:07)
So yes, I am.

[Speaker 6] (35:07 - 35:08)
Sharing is caring.

[Speaker 1] (35:08 - 35:09)
That's right.

[Speaker 1] (35:10 - 35:15)
Um are there any other nominations or should we just move to a vote? How do we want to handle this?

[Speaker 4] (35:15 - 35:16)
Move to vote.

[Speaker 6] (35:16 - 35:16)
Move to vote.

[Speaker 1] (35:16 - 35:17)
Let's move to a vote.

[Speaker 1] (35:17 - 35:22)
All those in favour of appointing Katie Phelan as the select board chair?

[Speaker 5] (35:23 - 35:23)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (35:23 - 35:23)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (35:23 - 35:23)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (35:23 - 35:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (35:24 - 35:27)
Okay, opposed? None, very good. Alright, the vice chair?

[Speaker 1] (35:29 - 35:31)
Would anybody like to make a nomination for vice chair?

[Speaker 1] (35:38 - 35:48)
I don't normally make a motion, but I would like the board to consider a motion to make Danielle vice chair.

[Speaker 6] (35:51 - 35:52)
Would you be willing to do that, Danielle?

[Speaker 4] (35:53 - 35:56)
I could do that, yep, I suppose,

[Speaker 4] (35:56 - 35:59)
yep. And that's really twisting arms here.

[Speaker 6] (36:02 - 36:04)
Marilyn, are you interested in being vice chair?

[Speaker 5] (36:06 - 36:08)
Um sure, I don't care. I mean

[Speaker 6] (36:08 - 36:09)
Just asking. Okay.

[Speaker 5] (36:09 - 36:10)
Yeah, that's fine.

[Speaker 6] (36:13 - 36:15)
Okay, so there's five.

[Speaker 6] (36:18 - 36:21)
Would you like to nominate Danielle? I could nominate Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 7] (36:23 - 36:23)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (36:25 - 36:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (36:26 - 36:30)
So we need a nomination and a second. So Ted,

[Speaker 1] (36:30 - 36:33)
uh I take your nomination. Is there a second for Danielle?

[Speaker 6] (36:34 - 36:34)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (36:34 - 36:42)
Okay. And then the motion on the floor to nominate Mary Ellen is Wayne's.

[Speaker 6] (36:42 - 36:43)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (36:43 - 36:44)
And then is there a second?

[Speaker 5] (36:45 - 36:45)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (36:46 - 36:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (36:47 - 36:48)
So no discussion.

[Speaker 6] (36:52 - 36:53)
I just...

[Speaker 6] (36:55 - 37:03)
I feel that either one would be perfectly fine, I just wanted to give both an opportunity, that they were both well deserved positions.

[Speaker 6] (37:03 - 37:08)
Danielle I wasn't sure if you were willing or wanting to, so I didn't want to put you in a position either.

[Speaker 4] (37:08 - 37:08)
Thank you, I appreciate

[Speaker 6] (37:08 - 37:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (37:08 - 37:09)
it.

[Speaker 6] (37:09 - 37:19)
So um uh I think the most important is the chair at this moment. Um the vice serves as the backup should the

[Speaker 6] (37:20 - 37:24)
prefer to not be able to serve, and I I

[Speaker 6] (37:27 - 37:29)
I know there's tenses this,

[Speaker 6] (37:29 - 37:39)
I don't want that to be there. I could see it in everyone's faces, I just Okay. So um uh I'm happy to support uh at the I'm happy to support Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 4] (37:44 - 37:45)
Well.

[Speaker 6] (37:45 - 37:45)
Anybody else?

[Speaker 1] (37:49 - 37:51)
Yeah, I'm happy to support Danielle as vice chair.

[Speaker 6] (37:51 - 37:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (37:52 - 37:52)
So,

[Speaker 1] (37:56 - 37:56)
should we take a vote?

[Speaker 6] (37:57 - 37:57)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (37:59 - 38:01)
Okay, so all in favour of Danielle?

[Speaker 1] (38:03 - 38:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (38:04 - 38:05)
Do I vote for myself?

[Speaker 1] (38:05 - 38:05)
You sure

[Speaker 6] (38:05 - 38:06)
You can.

[Speaker 1] (38:06 - 38:06)
do. I did.

[Speaker 6] (38:06 - 38:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (38:07 - 38:07)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (38:07 - 38:09)
All in favour of Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 4] (38:09 - 38:10)
Well, I think we just had three,

[Speaker 1] (38:10 - 38:10)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 4] (38:10 - 38:12)
so that's that before she carries.

[Speaker 6] (38:12 - 38:12)
That's fine.

[Speaker 1] (38:12 - 38:13)
There you go.

[Speaker 4] (38:13 - 38:13)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 1] (38:13 - 38:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (38:14 - 38:14)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (38:14 - 38:14)
So

[Speaker 4] (38:14 - 38:16)
I appreciate it. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (38:21 - 38:22)
Here we are then, I guess.

[Speaker 1] (38:24 - 38:26)
Moving on to beach stickers.

[Speaker 1] (38:27 - 38:29)
Very exciting topic.

[Speaker 1] (38:29 - 38:37)
We have the wonderful artist who developed our beach sticker for this year with us, Becky Brant. Thank you for joining us.

[Speaker 1] (38:38 - 38:39)
Maybe step

[Speaker 4] (38:39 - 38:40)
You're beautiful. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (38:40 - 38:41)
up now.

[Speaker 4] (38:41 - 38:42)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1] (38:44 - 38:45)
Do you guys want to

[Speaker 1] (38:46 - 38:49)
Come up to the mic and then we have a little presentation.

[Speaker 1] (38:50 - 38:51)
You don't have to.

[Speaker 4] (38:53 - 38:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (38:54 - 38:54)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (38:56 - 38:57)
So real quickly,

[Speaker 1] (38:57 - 39:00)
we'll, for those of you who can't see the screen,

[Speaker 1] (39:00 - 39:02)
stickers are already on sale.

[Speaker 1] (39:02 - 39:04)
They've been on sale since May 4th.

[Speaker 1] (39:05 - 39:10)
And make sure when you come into Town Hall you bring your driver's license and your car registration.

[Speaker 1] (39:10 - 39:12)
They both must match or you don't get the sticker.

[Speaker 1] (39:13 - 39:16)
It must be registered to your Swampscott resident.

[Speaker 1] (39:16 - 39:17)
Stickers are $25.

[Speaker 1] (39:17 - 39:19)
Residents over 65,

[Speaker 1] (39:19 - 39:20)
they're only $10.

[Speaker 1] (39:21 - 39:26)
They accept cash and check payments. The hours are 8 to 5 Monday,

[Speaker 1] (39:26 - 39:27)
Tuesday,

[Speaker 1] (39:27 - 39:27)
Thursday,

[Speaker 1] (39:28 - 39:31)
8 to 7 p.m. on Wednesdays, and 8 to noon.

[Speaker 1] (39:32 - 39:36)
on Friday. And Becky, do you want to tell us a little bit about this beautiful image?

[Speaker 8] (39:37 - 39:44)
It's the blue mussel shells that we find on the beach every day and I'm just trying to highlight some things that we see every day and sort of magnify

[Speaker 1] (39:48 - 40:02)
But I wanted to say thank you for letting me do the sticker to Charlotte. Um thank you for all the w uh positive feedback, I really appreciate it. And um lastly, say hi to my mom, she's selling stickers at the town hall.

[Speaker 1] (40:02 - 40:05)
I had a I had a Priscilla for me, she's like probably can add

[Speaker 1] (40:05 - 40:08)
We can't tell everybody, but that's all. But thank you so much.

[Speaker 2] (40:08 - 40:08)
Really Experience.

[Speaker 1] (40:08 - 40:09)
Amazing.

[Speaker 3] (40:09 - 40:09)
nice job,

[Speaker 4] (40:09 - 40:09)
Very

[Speaker 3] (40:09 - 40:09)
really

[Speaker 4] (40:09 - 40:10)
nice.

[Speaker 3] (40:10 - 40:10)
nice.

[Speaker 2] (40:10 - 40:11)
Wait, can I ask you a question?

[Speaker 2] (40:11 - 40:14)
How how did you even know to do this design?

[Speaker 1] (40:16 - 40:32)
I have a done a lot of paintings and a lot of ceramics with muscle shells and it's just something I've played with and so when I s when I submitted a few images to Charlotte she picked or I don't even know who how many people looked at it to pick it and so they she just chose that. I liked how it kind of looked like a heart.

[Speaker 5] (40:32 - 40:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (40:32 - 40:32)
I

[Speaker 2] (40:32 - 40:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (40:32 - 40:40)
have done ones that are like yin yang I kind of like that idea too because a lot of the times the shells are dark on one side so that's that's just things I played with.

[Speaker 1] (40:41 - 40:41)
So,

[Speaker 2] (40:41 - 40:41)
It's

[Speaker 1] (40:41 - 40:41)
thank

[Speaker 2] (40:41 - 40:42)
great.

[Speaker 2] (40:42 - 40:42)
That you. was awesome.

[Speaker 1] (40:42 - 40:43)
I really appreciate it.

[Speaker 2] (40:43 - 40:43)
Beautiful job.

[Speaker 1] (40:43 - 40:52)
And if you don't have a chance, if you haven't had a chance to look at Becky's beautiful ceramic work, she is typically at the PTO fundraiser in the,

[Speaker 1] (40:52 - 41:04)
at the Yacht Club for the holidays. And also she does a lot of other events at, well she used to be at Reach Arts, but a lot of other places. So make sure you check out her wonderful wares.

[Speaker 6] (41:07 - 41:12)
And here's the official presentation of sticker zero zero zero. So the first sticker.

[Speaker 7] (41:13 - 41:15)
The first sticker to our artists.

[Speaker 2] (41:15 - 41:15)
Sorry.

[Speaker 7] (41:15 - 41:16)
Thank you, Becky.

[Speaker 2] (41:21 - 41:29)
I think we should also mention that this is a project that Peter Spilios started a long time ago and um he would always comment on how

[Speaker 2] (41:30 - 41:50)
He hated going down the Linway and seeing these little tiny stickers and it he used to always talk about this and I used to think what is a big deal about a little sticker, but now you do drive down the Linway or wherever and you just you see you know artwork, Schwab's got artwork. So this is this is just Peter's project and um I hope nobody forgets that.

[Speaker 7] (41:53 - 41:58)
Thank you very much. Also Becky is a Swanskite grad, so in case you didn't know that, she's

[Speaker 2] (41:58 - 41:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (41:58 - 41:59)
hometown proud.

[Speaker 2] (41:59 - 41:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (42:00 - 42:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (42:03 - 42:12)
All right, well thank you very much and make sure you go down and get your beach stickers and I uh Nick, beach are also being offered to employees correct?

[Speaker 8] (42:12 - 42:12)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (42:12 - 42:13)
Okay, so

[Speaker 2] (42:13 - 42:13)
But they're

[Speaker 7] (42:13 - 42:13)
that's

[Speaker 2] (42:13 - 42:13)
buying them,

[Speaker 2] (42:13 - 42:14)
right?

[Speaker 8] (42:14 - 42:14)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (42:14 - 42:14)
paid for.

[Speaker 8] (42:14 - 42:16)
Not paid for. Not free. Paid for.

[Speaker 7] (42:16 - 42:16)
Paid for.

[Speaker 6] (42:17 - 42:27)
But that is something that we want to extend not just residential community members, but community members at large, which includes our employees that we should get to enjoy the beaches too.

[Speaker 6] (42:27 - 42:28)
So appreciate that.

[Speaker 6] (42:29 - 42:32)
All right, moving on to the next item of the agenda,

[Speaker 6] (42:32 - 42:35)
it would be the parking at Cedar Hill.

[Speaker 6] (42:39 - 42:41)
So please.

[Speaker 8] (42:42 - 42:55)
Jump in quickly before you all deliberate. As you know, this was raised at the last meeting, Captain Cable and Chief Xsata spoke to it a little bit. The recommendations as discussed at that meeting are really focused on sight lines,

[Speaker 8] (42:55 - 42:57)
access for residents,

[Speaker 8] (42:57 - 43:01)
and then safety for both pedestrians and vehicles with the idea, some of which were highlighted today,

[Speaker 8] (43:02 - 43:08)
that folks park up on the sidewalk on both sides right now when both sides are actually

[Speaker 8] (43:08 - 43:18)
Full it becomes a real issue for uh safe transiting both by vehicular traffic and pedestrian traffic um and so the proposal that was put forward is

[Speaker 8] (43:19 - 43:30)
Up on the screen there just so folks can sort of reference it again. Uh at the b at the bottom portion up to the corner of Four Seasons it is no parking. There's a one hour section going up almost to the garage that's on the left.

[Speaker 8] (43:31 - 43:45)
And then no parking again with the idea that the sight lines from Bayview down uh and pedestrian access on that side although overgrown uh would be protected and through traffic would have enough space. Um I know the question was raised about notice. We did

[Speaker 8] (43:45 - 44:04)
Go door to door within a three hundred foot sort of centre spot which I think might have been Al's house. Um so it included a couple of the businesses although it did not reach um to the dentist's um point across Humphrey. So we got folks on Bayview uh I know

[Speaker 8] (44:05 - 44:13)
Four seasons in the business to the left, and I think the first two houses on the right on Humphrey as well. Um if I'm mistaken, please correct me Shannon.

[Speaker 8] (44:14 - 44:19)
Um but it was we went through the same process that we would if it's a public hearing notice with that 300 foot circle and G_I_S_

[Speaker 9] (44:20 - 44:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (44:20 - 44:24)
and then put on the doors. I believe they went out on Monday, the original plan had been Friday, but they were delivered on Monday.

[Speaker 8] (44:25 - 44:29)
Um so that was done uh but we did not reach across Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 8] (44:29 - 44:46)
So that's a a reasonable expectation that we can be sure to sort of extend beyond the three hundred feet in any similar circumstance going forward. Uh but this was the proposal that was put forward last week by public safety that we wanted to gain some feedback from the community and also give you all some time to consider uh in advance of making a final determination.

[Speaker 2] (44:47 - 44:50)
So my first question is who is going to police one hour parking?

[Speaker 8] (44:52 - 44:58)
it would still fall to the responsible police department. And can I just answer one other thing that we Mm raised during

[Speaker 2] (44:58 - 44:58)
-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (44:58 - 45:05)
the T_A_ report, the the tickets that were issued in March? It was forty five parking tickets, four of which were on Humphrey.

[Speaker 8] (45:06 - 45:20)
In April, it was seventy six parking tickets, three of which were on Humphrey, and April twenty seventh to May third, which is only obviously there might be a little bit of double counting there, because he gave me the week as opposed to uh from May first to May third, there's been nine parking tickets one of which was on Humphrey. So

[Speaker 2] (45:21 - 45:25)
Alright, just so I so in can you just how many parking tickets were on Humphrey Street?

[Speaker 7] (45:26 - 45:27)
From March

[Speaker 10] (45:27 - 45:27)
Are there three?

[Speaker 7] (45:27 - 45:27)
to present

[Speaker 10] (45:27 - 45:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (45:28 - 45:28)
Total.

[Speaker 7] (45:28 - 45:29)
eight.

[Speaker 8] (45:29 - 45:29)
Eight.

[Speaker 7] (45:29 - 45:30)
From March to present.

[Speaker 6] (45:31 - 45:32)
Eight in in

[Speaker 2] (45:32 - 45:32)
Eight.

[Speaker 6] (45:32 - 45:33)
total.

[Speaker 8] (45:33 - 45:33)
Correct, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (45:33 - 45:34)
In total.

[Speaker 8] (45:34 - 45:34)
Eight parking.

[Speaker 8] (45:35 - 45:36)
tickets. Um

[Speaker 2] (45:36 - 45:38)
For the whole time, not like in

[Speaker 8] (45:38 - 45:38)
Correct,

[Speaker 2] (45:38 - 45:38)
a week.

[Speaker 8] (45:38 - 45:41)
that's that's April, March and the first week of May.

[Speaker 2] (45:41 - 45:45)
Okay. So I I'd like to know exactly how they plan

[Speaker 8] (45:46 - 45:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (45:46 - 45:54)
to police one hour parking. I wanna know their actual plan, because I don't have a lot of faith with the numbers you just gave me that anyone is going to do that.

[Speaker 2] (45:54 - 45:59)
So that right away crosses off that little green line for me, because I don't think that's

[Speaker 2] (45:59 - 46:17)
It does make any sense to me. That's my personal thought, I could be wrong. Um but that's my my first. I I really wanna see what their plan is. How they who is actually I'd like to know the shifts, I wanna know exactly how they're gonna man that because I don't have a lot of faith that that's actually gonna be policed.

[Speaker 2] (46:18 - 46:20)
That's my first comment. And Humphrey Street is two hour parking?

[Speaker 8] (46:21 - 46:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (46:21 - 46:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (46:21 - 46:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (46:22 - 46:22)
Two hour parking.

[Speaker 8] (46:22 - 46:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (46:23 - 46:23)
Eight tickets.

[Speaker 2] (46:23 - 46:27)
My second comment, my second concern, and I've raised it before,

[Speaker 2] (46:27 - 46:32)
is what somebody else referenced in that, that business, that

[Speaker 8] (46:33 - 46:33)
Four seasons.

[Speaker 2] (46:34 - 46:35)
Thank you. In the one to the left.

[Speaker 2] (46:35 - 46:57)
I have said multiple times here that that business concerns me and their limitations in terms of how many cars they have parked on Humphrey Street and I'd like to know who is going to speak to them or maybe we should have them come here and speak to us. I don't know. But they definitely have to be a part of the solution because they are the problem primarily.

[Speaker 8] (46:57 - 47:00)
I think that ideally we would both be enforcement,

[Speaker 8] (47:00 - 47:02)
but to have them come here because

[Speaker 8] (47:01 - 47:06)
because it was it is a permanent or license rather that was issued by the town

[Speaker 11] (47:06 - 47:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (47:06 - 47:08)
at the end of last calendar year.

[Speaker 2] (47:08 - 47:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (47:08 - 47:14)
So I think it's perfectly within reason that we would ask them to come down and make sure that if we have specific concerns that we are addressing them with them,

[Speaker 2] (47:14 - 47:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (47:14 - 47:18)
in addition to working with both building and community development to make sure that

[Speaker 2] (47:18 - 47:23)
Have we had the opportunity to pull those licenses and see what the capacity is for the business?

[Speaker 8] (47:23 - 47:24)
pull the license

[Speaker 2] (47:24 - 47:26)
So we give to these

[Speaker 8] (47:26 - 47:26)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (47:26 - 47:26)
businesses

[Speaker 8] (47:26 - 47:27)
it's a it's

[Speaker 2] (47:27 - 47:27)
to operate?

[Speaker 8] (47:27 - 47:30)
a a single-digit number of vehicles that they are allowed to

[Speaker 2] (47:30 - 47:30)
Seven.

[Speaker 8] (47:30 - 47:31)
have for sale at any particular

[Speaker 1] (47:31 - 47:31)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (47:31 - 47:32)
time.

[Speaker 2] (47:32 - 47:33)
Which is, which

[Speaker 8] (47:33 - 47:33)
And it

[Speaker 2] (47:33 - 47:34)
you can see by this

[Speaker 8] (47:34 - 47:34)
you can

[Speaker 2] (47:34 - 47:34)
picture

[Speaker 8] (47:34 - 47:42)
see that right and if you were to walk by or drive by which different folks I'm sure have done, including myself, there's like a yellow medallion that is the for sale.

[Speaker 2] (47:44 - 47:52)
So I would be curious to see what the fees are for being over your allotted number of spots there.

[Speaker 2] (47:52 - 47:54)
But that business,

[Speaker 2] (47:54 - 47:55)
those businesses,

[Speaker 2] (47:55 - 47:58)
we need to talk to them because that is really,

[Speaker 2] (47:58 - 47:59)
to someone else's point,

[Speaker 2] (47:59 - 48:03)
at the heart of this problem and I'm not sure that was ever done or when it was ever done,

[Speaker 2] (48:03 - 48:04)
but it's time.

[Speaker 7] (48:06 - 48:07)
It was definitely done.

[Speaker 7] (48:08 - 48:17)
It was not I would say when the permit came around this time and we the site on Paradise Road did not renew Mary Ellen you remember we talked about it a little bit

[Speaker 2] (48:17 - 48:18)
The site on Paradise?

[Speaker 7] (48:18 - 48:21)
Yeah, you know the one across from you know we have

[Speaker 7] (48:22 - 48:25)
'cause there's three of them. There's three of those permitees and

[Speaker 2] (48:25 - 48:26)
At the Seco?

[Speaker 8] (48:26 - 48:27)
At the Seco.

[Speaker 2] (48:27 - 48:27)
Yeah, we didn't renew that.

[Speaker 7] (48:27 - 48:29)
She didn't renew the one across from the Seco.

[Speaker 8] (48:29 - 48:29)
On purpose.

[Speaker 7] (48:29 - 48:31)
So we renewed the Seco and we renewed this one.

[Speaker 2] (48:31 - 48:31)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (48:31 - 48:33)
So we definitely talked about it contextual.

[Speaker 2] (48:33 - 48:34)
Well it's not that we didn't renew. They

[Speaker 7] (48:34 - 48:35)
They did not renew, correct.

[Speaker 2] (48:35 - 48:36)
they didn't.

[Speaker 7] (48:36 - 48:36)
It was not

[Speaker 2] (48:36 - 48:36)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (48:36 - 48:38)
renewed because they did not apply, is what I mean to say.

[Speaker 7] (48:39 - 48:45)
But in the context by which we have normally been talking about it is, and correct me if it's this one or the Seco, but

[Speaker 7] (48:46 - 48:49)
There is a portion of the business that is for used car sales, and

[Speaker 2] (48:49 - 48:49)
Mm

[Speaker 7] (48:49 - 48:49)
that

[Speaker 2] (48:49 - 48:49)
hmm.

[Speaker 7] (48:49 - 48:52)
is regulated. There's a portion of the business that is for repair,

[Speaker 2] (48:52 - 48:52)
Mm hmm.

[Speaker 7] (48:52 - 48:56)
and that obviously creates an influx of cars going in and out.

[Speaker 7] (48:56 - 49:00)
Now, I think there should be far more enforcement on these,

[Speaker 7] (49:00 - 49:07)
especially this corner as to where they're parking close to the actual corner.

[Speaker 7] (49:07 - 49:09)
There's no parking on Cedar Hill Terrace on this,

[Speaker 7] (49:09 - 49:20)
but we don't show no parking on Humphrey Street so that the line of visibility so when you're coming down you can see that when you're taking a right-hand turn you can see where you're going.

[Speaker 7] (49:21 - 49:22)
That needs to be.

[Speaker 7] (49:23 - 49:27)
If it's there, fine, it needs to be enforced. It's clearly not in this picture enforced.

[Speaker 2] (49:27 - 49:29)
It makes it very narrow road, even

[Speaker 7] (49:29 - 49:29)
And

[Speaker 2] (49:29 - 49:34)
on Humphrey. It's, but it's not, it currently it is not no parking on

[Speaker 8] (49:34 - 49:34)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (49:34 - 49:35)
that, on that corner

[Speaker 8] (49:35 - 49:35)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (49:35 - 49:37)
on Humphrey and Seaton.

[Speaker 7] (49:38 - 49:39)
Here, on the bottom.

[Speaker 2] (49:39 - 49:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (49:39 - 49:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (49:39 - 49:42)
where that car is. Well, we need there needs to be

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:42)
So

[Speaker 3] (49:42 - 49:42)
some

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:43)
that would have to be a change right there.

[Speaker 3] (49:43 - 49:46)
hatching or some sort of no parking there

[Speaker 3] (49:47 - 49:50)
so that alleviates part of the issue and

[Speaker 3] (49:51 - 49:54)
I agree with Danielle. We need to have a conversation,

[Speaker 3] (49:54 - 49:58)
whether it's Marcy or they come in, they understand what.

[Speaker 4] (49:58 - 49:59)
I think it would be both, to be honest.

[Speaker 3] (49:59 - 49:59)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (49:59 - 50:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (50:00 - 50:00)
great.

[Speaker 1] (50:00 - 50:07)
I also want to, one concern that I have is the Four Seasons, they're not here.

[Speaker 1] (50:07 - 50:09)
I do happen to live in this neighborhood.

[Speaker 1] (50:10 - 50:15)
I come to that stop sign a minimum of twice a day,

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:17)
sometimes five times a day.

[Speaker 1] (50:18 - 50:31)
I don't I don't experience the parking. I I really don't notice uh cars there without plates. Um and I did look, especially after having a conversation with Peter two years ago. So

[Speaker 1] (50:32 - 50:58)
I'm not seeing as much as what other people are seeing and my concern is that the four seasons and the businesses there are also getting a fair representation of what's going on because we have to remember that businesses are very important in this community and that people have a fair opportunity to talk about what they're experiencing or what they're actually doing. So, I'm just wondering if we should be kicking this back to the police department and to Marzi and having a bigger conversation about

[Speaker 1] (50:58 - 51:13)
how to make this how to make this work better with especially with some of the recommendations as far as making it no parking in the front no the first ten feet in the front on Humphrey Street and you know just getting a little bit more into the weeds

[Speaker 4] (51:14 - 51:18)
I agree with Mary Ellen on that, and to Danielle's point as well, if we're going to vote on

[Speaker 4] (51:19 - 51:23)
parking enforcement, whether it's no parking areas, resident-only parking areas or one hour,

[Speaker 4] (51:23 - 51:27)
we have to have a little bit more confidence in the way it's gonna be enforced before we should vote on this.

[Speaker 4] (51:27 - 51:43)
So I think we I would suggest we get a little bit more information on parking management, parking enforcement, and then from D_P_W_ how they're going to erect signs or hash marks or what not for the no parking areas 'cause it's

[Speaker 4] (51:42 - 51:46)
You know, we've all seen people park in no parking areas because there's no hash marks and nothing

[Speaker 1] (51:46 - 51:46)
Mm happens.-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (51:47 - 51:47)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (51:47 - 51:52)
So we should get this more holistically understood and before I'm comfortable voting on it at least.

[Speaker 1] (51:53 - 51:55)
So should we kick it back to the first?

[Speaker 5] (51:55 - 52:05)
I'd like to make a couple of comments. Okay, so I had the opportunity to meet Mr Williams um and go down to Cedar Hill. I kinda wanted to see this in person and one of my questions was

[Speaker 5] (52:05 - 52:27)
you know, usually what spawned or spurred the activity here. Um and I just wanna recognise that he had been actually asking for this over a year ago. Um and it was only until recently until he brought it to the um to the select board that we started to take action on it. So this issue is not just all of a sudden popping up.

[Speaker 5] (52:28 - 52:53)
Secondly I think you know from his description also there is there's new parking pressures that haven't been there in the past there is uh uh between new drivers and new um there's a new apartment going on next door so there's more parking pressure. So that aside I think everyone's in agreeance agreement with the danger at the bottom of the hill.

[Speaker 5] (52:54 - 53:00)
But what I want to address also is some of the things I noticed going up the hill.

[Speaker 5] (53:00 - 53:06)
And right now on the upper left side is currently one hour parking.

[Speaker 5] (53:06 - 53:09)
It's a faded sign from eight to five,

[Speaker 5] (53:10 - 53:11)
I'm trying to remember.

[Speaker 5] (53:11 - 53:13)
In talking with the neighbors,

[Speaker 5] (53:13 - 53:17)
I don't think they were in favor of making that no parking.

[Speaker 5] (53:17 - 53:41)
Um what I did notice was, and I think this was brought up by one of the residents, that that area is so overgrown, there's no defined sidewalk, there's no defined kind of property line or perimeter. So it looks like it's an extension of the road, and so people just park there. There is no safe access on the that left side. Now

[Speaker 5] (53:42 - 53:48)
This is where I'd like to see a little bit of better understanding coming back. Is that something the DPW needs to take care of?

[Speaker 5] (53:49 - 53:51)
Is that something that we need to better demarc?

[Speaker 5] (53:52 - 53:54)
Okay? Because it is taken back over.

[Speaker 5] (53:54 - 53:55)
So it looks like, again, it looks like the street.

[Speaker 5] (53:55 - 54:00)
And if effectively we've granted that to be a part of the street by default,

[Speaker 5] (54:00 - 54:09)
then that extra space is actually not so bad. If you treat it truly as a sidewalk and you pulled it in,

[Speaker 5] (54:09 - 54:10)
the street gets narrower.

[Speaker 5] (54:11 - 54:17)
So, that taken also into account on the blue side, on the right side as you're going up the hill,

[Speaker 5] (54:19 - 54:29)
there is concern, I think, residents are liking to park closer to the property boundary line just to keep their cars from getting hit,

[Speaker 5] (54:29 - 54:35)
which I completely understand. But there's also the balance of the community need to have safe access because they,

[Speaker 5] (54:35 - 54:36)
that

[Speaker 5] (54:37 - 55:01)
That is a reasonably concerned or a I have reasonable concern about the safety of that area particularly as cars come around, they come around fast. I think what's different than ten years ago, it was a lot more distracted driving and um based upon a lot of the conversations and and and you know, I I could reasonably expect us to pay more attention to maybe demarking spots.

[Speaker 5] (55:02 - 55:26)
physical spots so that we can both make just like on Humphrey Street how we have physical markings of where you can literally park so so it can be more a little bit more organized a little bit more structured and to your point I agree with the enforcement wholeheartedly that if you know there's no point in in mandating something that's not going to be enforced so with that I just you know want to recognize

[Speaker 5] (55:28 - 55:53)
key points demarcating maybe even if there's a concern coming around Bayview on Cedar Hill that that stop sign is not being respected perhaps there needs to be a summer speed bump at that point to make some stop so they are taking a view around the side just I'm not saying that I'm saying that ad hoc here

[Speaker 5] (55:54 - 56:11)
is just an idea. I certainly think this needs a little bit more push back particularly on that area whether or not it becomes a say one or two hour I'm talking about the upper left one or let's say one or two hour and resident parking so that you have an option for potentially both.

[Speaker 5] (56:11 - 56:19)
I just think this needs to be thought out a little bit more again I think we're all in agreement at the bottom of the hill that that is an absolute safety.

[Speaker 5] (56:20 - 56:20)
mess.

[Speaker 5] (56:20 - 56:29)
But I'd like to take a little more thought and deliberation on the top and how we manage the resident parking considering that, is that a new sticker?

[Speaker 5] (56:30 - 56:34)
If we have, we talked about giving guest passes, is that, you know,

[Speaker 5] (56:34 - 56:35)
is that something,

[Speaker 5] (56:35 - 56:40)
I mean I could direct that to you Nick, how would we go about managing that if we made a policy?

[Speaker 4] (56:40 - 56:51)
On the resident side, they're issued by the police department. The police department also provide a resident I mean a a visitor along with the resident parking sticker, so that they would have one handy and this is true throughout town. There's

[Speaker 5] (56:51 - 56:51)
one Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (56:51 - 56:52)
available to the

[Speaker 5] (56:52 - 56:54)
You just you put it in your you put a sticker you have a

[Speaker 4] (56:54 - 56:55)
Have a sticker

[Speaker 5] (56:55 - 56:55)
an emblem

[Speaker 4] (56:55 - 56:55)
and a and

[Speaker 5] (56:55 - 56:56)
a placard, a placard.

[Speaker 4] (56:56 - 56:57)
sort of a placard that

[Speaker 5] (56:57 - 56:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (56:57 - 56:58)
you can share with a

[Speaker 5] (56:58 - 56:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (56:58 - 56:59)
a guest that's at your property.

[Speaker 5] (56:59 - 57:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (57:02 - 57:09)
The other question is some of that area of overgrowth I I think is on private property from my understanding. So that might be a question for

[Speaker 4] (57:10 - 57:10)
Do you know?

[Speaker 6] (57:10 - 57:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (57:10 - 57:11)
I don't

[Speaker 5] (57:11 - 57:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (57:11 - 57:11)
know, how do we

[Speaker 6] (57:11 - 57:20)
I think where it's overgrowing the public way, in the right way, I think that there's obviously an opportunity for us to get up there and do mechanical education

[Speaker 4] (57:20 - 57:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (57:20 - 57:21)
management.

[Speaker 4] (57:21 - 57:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (57:21 - 57:35)
Uh I will talk to Gino about that if you all are I know you've sort of said we're in agreement. But if you're in agreement on the idea of doing something at the bottom as well, we can work with them to do the hash lines if a decision is made by you all tonight on that.

[Speaker 6] (57:35 - 57:51)
And also, we're not kicking the can down the road but come back to have a deeper discussion with both four seasons um and ask public safety to take a second look at the ways that they would like to do it and how they would enforce it. But I I I don't want to make a change like the hash lines without you all voting on that,

[Speaker 1] (57:51 - 57:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (57:51 - 57:56)
because the point of of this and Mary Ellen rightly saying let's do two meetings on it was to make sure it's

[Speaker 5] (57:56 - 57:57)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (57:57 - 57:58)
feedback and informed decision

[Speaker 5] (57:58 - 57:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (57:58 - 58:03)
by you all on what you want to do. Um so if we're talking about the hashes at the bottom and you want to

[Speaker 6] (58:03 - 58:07)
take action on that tonight, that's something that we can then get into the work plan with DPW.

[Speaker 1] (58:09 - 58:17)
I think we definitely should take action. Why not? We're all in agreement on that red portion and it's, you know, it's a hazard. So let's not kick the whole thing down the road,

[Speaker 6] (58:17 - 58:17)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (58:17 - 58:18)
right? So

[Speaker 4] (58:18 - 58:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (58:19 - 58:25)
So what we're saying is take a motion on the, what is that, a hundred feet there? So we look

[Speaker 5] (58:25 - 58:25)
That's

[Speaker 1] (58:25 - 58:27)
for a m motion on the fr on

[Speaker 3] (58:27 - 58:29)
Bottom portion of Cedar Hill Terrace,

[Speaker 1] (58:29 - 58:29)
yep, on

[Speaker 3] (58:29 - 58:31)
the no parking on the bottom as

[Speaker 1] (58:31 - 58:31)
then

[Speaker 3] (58:31 - 58:32)
depicted.

[Speaker 1] (58:33 - 58:40)
And in that motion are we including the corner right there on Humphrey and Cedar Hill?

[Speaker 3] (58:41 - 58:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (58:41 - 58:41)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (58:41 - 58:42)
the problem

[Speaker 7] (58:42 - 58:42)
that's

[Speaker 3] (58:42 - 58:42)
is

[Speaker 7] (58:42 - 58:42)
one

[Speaker 3] (58:42 - 58:42)
I

[Speaker 7] (58:42 - 58:42)
way.

[Speaker 3] (58:42 - 58:46)
don't know what's the appropriate amount of space,

[Speaker 3] (58:46 - 58:47)
so I think that is maybe

[Speaker 5] (58:47 - 58:48)
Should more we discuss

[Speaker 3] (58:48 - 58:48)
of an...

[Speaker 5] (58:48 - 58:50)
that in the next round with

[Speaker 6] (58:51 - 58:51)
Can

[Speaker 5] (58:51 - 58:51)
Humphrey.

[Speaker 6] (58:51 - 58:51)
I,

[Speaker 1] (58:51 - 58:51)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (58:51 - 58:51)
Humphrey

[Speaker 6] (58:51 - 58:52)
we were saying?

[Speaker 3] (58:52 - 58:52)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (58:52 - 58:52)
and Humphrey.

[Speaker 5] (58:52 - 58:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (58:53 - 58:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (58:53 - 58:57)
I think if you're comfortable, we could defer to Gino to rely on

[Speaker 3] (58:57 - 58:59)
Hash and appropriate no

[Speaker 6] (58:59 - 58:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (58:59 - 58:59)
parking

[Speaker 6] (58:59 - 59:00)
Just,

[Speaker 3] (59:00 - 59:01)
from the cur corner.

[Speaker 6] (59:01 - 59:04)
uh uh as the the actual we have there is a

[Speaker 4] (59:04 - 59:05)
Isn't there a street

[Speaker 6] (59:05 - 59:05)
nationwide

[Speaker 4] (59:05 - 59:05)
regulation

[Speaker 1] (59:05 - 59:06)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (59:06 - 59:06)
on

[Speaker 6] (59:06 - 59:06)
Is

[Speaker 4] (59:06 - 59:06)
that?

[Speaker 6] (59:06 - 59:06)
it a I nationwide

[Speaker 1] (59:06 - 59:07)
thought it was Yeah, ten feet.

[Speaker 4] (59:07 - 59:08)
positive it's like ten feet or one car

[Speaker 1] (59:08 - 59:09)
I

[Speaker 4] (59:09 - 59:09)
length.

[Speaker 1] (59:09 - 59:09)
thought it was ten

[Speaker 3] (59:09 - 59:09)
One

[Speaker 1] (59:09 - 59:09)
feet

[Speaker 3] (59:09 - 59:09)
car

[Speaker 1] (59:09 - 59:10)
from

[Speaker 3] (59:10 - 59:10)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (59:10 - 59:10)
a corner.

[Speaker 3] (59:10 - 59:11)
no parking here corner.

[Speaker 4] (59:12 - 59:14)
I I I trust Gino's

[Speaker 5] (59:14 - 59:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (59:15 - 59:16)
Yeah, yeah, me too.

[Speaker 4] (59:16 - 59:17)
Depth for that based

[Speaker 6] (59:17 - 59:17)
Based on

[Speaker 4] (59:17 - 59:17)
on

[Speaker 6] (59:17 - 59:18)
the appropriate

[Speaker 4] (59:18 - 59:18)
the conversation.

[Speaker 6] (59:18 - 59:19)
rules and

[Speaker 3] (59:19 - 59:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (59:19 - 59:21)
regulations at the...

[Speaker 3] (59:21 - 59:34)
Okay, so the motion that would be on the table right now is to support the no parking on the bottom portions of Cedar Hill Terrace as depicted on the image and to allow Gino to create hash no

[Speaker 1] (59:43 - 59:45)
That's the motion on the table right now, correct?

[Speaker 2] (59:45 - 59:45)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (59:45 - 59:46)
Yeah, I'll second that.

[Speaker 1] (59:46 - 59:47)
But you have to make it.

[Speaker 3] (59:47 - 59:47)
I support

[Speaker 1] (59:47 - 59:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (59:47 - 59:48)
the mission,

[Speaker 1] (59:48 - 59:48)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (59:48 - 59:48)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (59:48 - 59:50)
so Wayne is making the motion.

[Speaker 2] (59:50 - 59:51)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (59:51 - 59:52)
Danielle seconds,

[Speaker 1] (59:52 - 59:52)
all in favor?

[Speaker 4] (59:52 - 59:53)
Hold on a second, just one question.

[Speaker 4] (59:54 - 59:56)
I'm just a little concerned because

[Speaker 4] (59:57 - 1:00:01)
Having no parking on Humphrey Street is going to affect the businesses there.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:01 - 1:00:09)
I just, if it's Geno, I don't want Geno to turn around and, you know, just take X amount of space. I think it's got to make sense.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:09 - 1:00:14)
To Nick, your point though was just to the appropriate level under MassDOT or USDOT regulations,

[Speaker 4] (1:00:14 - 1:00:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:14 - 1:00:16)
So it's like right? 10 feet or one car length,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:16 - 1:00:17)
That

[Speaker 1] (1:00:17 - 1:00:17)
I think.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:17 - 1:00:19)
we will actually be able to point to where we made, where we got that

[Speaker 1] (1:00:19 - 1:00:20)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:20 - 1:00:20)
information.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:20 - 1:00:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:20 - 1:00:20)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:20 - 1:00:21)
We could adjust,

[Speaker 4] (1:00:21 - 1:00:21)
yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:21 - 1:00:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:22 - 1:00:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:22 - 1:00:23)
So.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:23 - 1:00:23)
Motion

[Speaker 1] (1:00:23 - 1:00:24)
All in favour?

[Speaker 4] (1:00:24 - 1:00:24)
amended. Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:00:26 - 1:00:26)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:26 - 1:00:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:27 - 1:00:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:00:27 - 1:00:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:28 - 1:00:38)
All right, and then we will come back to discuss the additional suggestions we really need to have please here to discuss enforcement

[Speaker 5] (1:00:38 - 1:00:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:38 - 1:00:40)
In the Four Seasons.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:40 - 1:00:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:40 - 1:00:41)
And four seasons. Yep

[Speaker 5] (1:00:41 - 1:00:45)
I would suggest the parking conversation about enforcement.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:45 - 1:00:48)
You know, we can talk about it for Cedar Hill given what's going on here,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:48 - 1:00:53)
but we might want to expand that conversation to be all on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:54 - 1:00:57)
Because I know that comes up frequently and I think the statistics you cited are

[Speaker 1] (1:00:58 - 1:00:58)
Abysmal.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:58 - 1:01:00)
troubling. Yeah, that's a better description.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:00 - 1:01:02)
And then what about the um

[Speaker 4] (1:01:03 - 1:01:03)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:01:04 - 1:01:06)
Tree the landscaping.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:06 - 1:01:14)
I as I will talk to Gino to see I assume if it's in the right-of-way when it hangs over the same tree hanging over private property that we can go sort of to the line and

[Speaker 4] (1:01:14 - 1:01:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:14 - 1:01:15)
so we'll talk to him about mechanical

[Speaker 7] (1:01:15 - 1:01:15)
Hey,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:15 - 1:01:17)
vegetation management for that which is you know

[Speaker 7] (1:01:18 - 1:01:26)
and just be I think the neighbors are, the neighbors are sensitive to that per discussing to them. Maybe you just make sure you have the conversation with them. I mean, you know, what

[Speaker 7] (1:01:28 - 1:01:34)
I think the important part is demarcation, just to understand where it is, right? And you have vegetation.

[Speaker 7] (1:01:34 - 1:01:41)
There are some definite trees growing like right in the middle of that area. I don't know what the legal minimum width is for a sidewalk.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:42 - 1:01:42)
I.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:42 - 1:01:43)
Gino will.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:44 - 1:01:44)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:01:44 - 1:01:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:44 - 1:01:46)
don't know that Gino knows off the top of his head. I do not,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:46 - 1:01:47)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:47 - 1:01:47)
but we can certainly

[Speaker 7] (1:01:47 - 1:01:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:47 - 1:01:47)
research

[Speaker 1] (1:01:47 - 1:01:48)
Surely he

[Speaker 5] (1:01:48 - 1:01:48)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:01:48 - 1:01:48)
knows.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:48 - 1:01:48)
and

[Speaker 7] (1:01:48 - 1:01:48)
Alright.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:48 - 1:01:50)
reflect that.

[Speaker 7] (1:01:50 - 1:01:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:51 - 1:01:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:51 - 1:01:54)
Alright, and our zoning bylaws, just to throw that out there.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:54 - 1:01:56)
There we go. Ted knows it. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:01:57 - 1:02:09)
Alright so we will bring back the conversation for Cedar Hill either at the next meeting or the following meeting depending on because the next meeting will be town meeting

[Speaker 5] (1:02:09 - 1:02:10)
The next regular meeting,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:10 - 1:02:10)
the

[Speaker 5] (1:02:10 - 1:02:10)
I think,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:10 - 1:02:10)
next

[Speaker 5] (1:02:10 - 1:02:11)
is a regular better way to

[Speaker 1] (1:02:11 - 1:02:11)
meeting

[Speaker 5] (1:02:11 - 1:02:13)
say it so that it's not that just before town meeting one.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:15 - 1:02:22)
And we will again notice and we will make sure we include the businesses along Humphrey as well, not just the ones on the side that are within that circle.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:23 - 1:02:23)
Alright.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:23 - 1:02:24)
Thank you for that note.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:26 - 1:02:30)
Okay, moving on to the Council on Aging presentation.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:30 - 1:02:31)
Thank you all for joining us.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:32 - 1:02:33)
Happy to have you.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:34 - 1:02:38)
And thank you for the reschedules. I know there were a couple of them.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:41 - 1:02:42)
Get started.

[Speaker 8] (1:02:43 - 1:02:44)
Good evening.

[Speaker 8] (1:02:44 - 1:02:54)
My name is Sushant Sidhom. I'm a member serving on the Council on Aging. I'm here with my lovely colleagues. I'll have them introduce themselves as well.

[Speaker 9] (1:02:55 - 1:02:59)
I am Heidi Weir. I'm the Director of Aging Services for the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:00 - 1:03:05)
I'm Sabrina Clapton. I'm the Assistant Director of the Swampscott Senior Center and the Outreach Social Worker.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:07 - 1:03:10)
Cheryl Levinson. I'm the Vice Chair of the Council on Aging.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:11 - 1:03:18)
So we are honoured to be here tonight representing our senior residents and we thank you for your time.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:19 - 1:03:22)
Our chair of the board of the council,

[Speaker 8] (1:03:22 - 1:03:26)
Bob Powell, is not here unfortunately. He's on a flight at the moment.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:27 - 1:03:31)
However, he is gracing us with his digital presence.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:32 - 1:03:38)
He recorded a message for us and he will beautifully set the scene as to why we are here tonight.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:39 - 1:03:43)
So we'd like to play that video right now, and there's Bob.

[Speaker 10] (1:03:46 - 1:03:55)
I'm Bob Howell. I serve as the chair of the Swampscott Council on Aging. I'm also the co-chair of the Swampscott for All Ages Committee and a member of the Swampscott Retirement Board,

[Speaker 10] (1:03:55 - 1:03:57)
the Swampscott 2035 Master Planning Committee,

[Speaker 10] (1:03:57 - 1:04:01)
and the Swampscott Community Life Center Feasibility Study Task Force.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:02 - 1:04:09)
I'd like to thank our town administrator and the select board for giving senior center stakeholders the opportunity to present today.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:09 - 1:04:11)
So why are we here tonight?

[Speaker 10] (1:04:11 - 1:04:14)
We're here to answer a straightforward question:

[Speaker 10] (1:04:14 - 1:04:19)
Are we staffed and structured to meet the current and future demand for senior services?

[Speaker 10] (1:04:19 - 1:04:22)
The answer, as you'll see, is no.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:22 - 1:04:25)
That conclusion is supported by data,

[Speaker 10] (1:04:25 - 1:04:28)
peer benchmarking, and documented community need.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:29 - 1:04:33)
At the same time, we recognize the fiscal realities facing the town.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:33 - 1:04:43)
We understand that current and future budgets may not fully support what will be needed. But we also have a responsibility to plan for what we know is coming.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:43 - 1:04:45)
The demographic trends are clear.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:45 - 1:04:47)
The demand is not speculative.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:47 - 1:04:50)
It should not come as a surprise to anyone.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:51 - 1:04:53)
Our goal tonight is to begin that planning process,

[Speaker 10] (1:04:53 - 1:04:56)
to be proactive rather than reactive.

[Speaker 10] (1:04:56 - 1:05:03)
Ultimately, we aim to align documented community need with the measured responsible half forward.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:06 - 1:05:06)
Thanks,

[Speaker 4] (1:05:06 - 1:05:06)
Bob,

[Speaker 1] (1:05:06 - 1:05:07)
Adam.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:07 - 1:05:07)
thanks

[Speaker 1] (1:05:07 - 1:05:08)
That was nice.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:08 - 1:05:08)
to Bob.

[Speaker 10] (1:05:08 - 1:05:08)
Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:08 - 1:05:09)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:09 - 1:05:11)
Oh, didn't hear it again. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:11 - 1:05:12)
Oh, you spoke again.

[Speaker 10] (1:05:13 - 1:05:13)
Got to get

[Speaker 8] (1:05:13 - 1:05:13)
So

[Speaker 10] (1:05:13 - 1:05:14)
that on.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:14 - 1:05:22)
we've done a lot of work looking at numbers to understand how we've grown as a centre serving the senior residents,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:23 - 1:05:42)
where we are today. We've looked at peer benchmarking. We've looked at demographic trends and so we would like to share with you the insights that we have gained from that, and then towards the end shift towards recommendations we have in terms of

[Speaker 8] (1:05:42 - 1:05:48)
of how to continue to provide the services that we do and to meet the demands of the growing demographics.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:49 - 1:05:51)
So I will kind of go go over the numbers

[Speaker 9] (1:05:51 - 1:05:51)
Just start.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:53 - 1:05:58)
and then I will um yeah, if you can get to the agenda slide that would be great. The next slide.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:59 - 1:06:00)
Perfect.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:01 - 1:06:26)
Um so I'm through with the numbers, the growth trends uh etcetera. Uh Heidi will then talk more about the um operations of the centre, especially focused on staffing um as well as some of the gaps in terms of uh unmet needs. Um Sabrina will cover more uh in terms of the services offered what it takes to do it and use them.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:27 - 1:06:50)
So this meeting happens um with the Centre, um and then Cheryl will talk about um uh the consequences of inaction. If we do nothing today, what are we gonna be faced with going forward? Uh and then we'll wrap it up with uh a summary of our asks of you um and and um that's our agenda.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:51 - 1:06:53)
So in terms of numbers

[Speaker 8] (1:06:54 - 1:07:11)
As you can see, over the last four years the centre has grown tremendously in so many different facets and that's really thanks to a great deal to our exceptional leadership from Heidi and Sabrina and their team.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:12 - 1:07:20)
They've done a boatload of work being such a small team as well and you can see across the board it's

[Speaker 8] (1:07:20 - 1:07:27)
triple-digit growth in terms of number of members, in terms of daily attendance,

[Speaker 8] (1:07:27 - 1:07:34)
the outreach contacts that are being uh that are taking place, meals served, transportation rides.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:34 - 1:07:58)
And including volunteer hours and as we all know volunteer coordinating volunteer activities is pretty administratively intense as well because we need to make sure the safety and well-being of not only the seniors being served but also the volunteer. So altogether all these activities have shown tremendous growth.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:59 - 1:08:01)
Could I ask a question actually on that slide?

[Speaker 8] (1:08:01 - 1:08:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:01 - 1:08:02)
How do you

[Speaker 9] (1:08:02 - 1:08:05)
How do you define membership? How do you

[Speaker 4] (1:08:06 - 1:08:07)
Literally how do you is there a

[Speaker 8] (1:08:07 - 1:08:08)
The w

[Speaker 4] (1:08:08 - 1:08:13)
listing or how how do you how was one defined as a member as opposed to someone that just comes on occasion?

[Speaker 9] (1:08:13 - 1:08:18)
When an individual comes to the senior center they're asked to fill out a form.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:18 - 1:08:33)
Membership is free of charge but we do collect information specifically because we need information in case of emergencies and so we keep all of that on file and they are added to our roles when we know someone is deceased or they've moved from the area.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:33 - 1:08:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:33 - 1:08:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:33 - 1:08:34)
they get removed from the membership.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:35 - 1:08:40)
And do we have so is the membership com is this number comprised solely of Swamscott residents?

[Speaker 9] (1:08:40 - 1:08:41)
No.

[Speaker 5] (1:08:41 - 1:08:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:42 - 1:08:45)
About fifty two percent of this number is Swamscott residents.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:46 - 1:08:50)
So less than half of that increase is Swamscott resident.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:51 - 1:08:52)
Well, fifty two, so

[Speaker 4] (1:08:52 - 1:08:52)
Fifty

[Speaker 9] (1:08:52 - 1:08:52)
more

[Speaker 4] (1:08:52 - 1:08:52)
two.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:52 - 1:08:53)
than half.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:53 - 1:08:54)
Little more than half.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:54 - 1:08:58)
Fifty two percent equals Swamscott residents that

[Speaker 5] (1:08:58 - 1:08:58)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:58 - 1:08:59)
have increased.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:59 - 1:08:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:00 - 1:09:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:00 - 1:09:03)
Wait, is the fifty two percent current membership or the increase?

[Speaker 9] (1:09:04 - 1:09:04)
Current membership.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:04 - 1:09:05)
Current membership.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:05 - 1:09:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:05 - 1:09:06)
Ah, Oh, okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:06 - 1:09:06)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:09:06 - 1:09:06)
Thank

[Speaker 9] (1:09:06 - 1:09:06)
thought that

[Speaker 1] (1:09:06 - 1:09:06)
you.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:06 - 1:09:07)
was that red Ah, dot.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:07 - 1:09:07)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:07 - 1:09:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:07 - 1:09:07)
I was sorry.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:07 - 1:09:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:07 - 1:09:08)
Current membership

[Speaker 4] (1:09:08 - 1:09:08)
I think it's increased.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:08 - 1:09:08)
is being

[Speaker 1] (1:09:08 - 1:09:08)
Thank.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:08 - 1:09:09)
Yeah. too close to that red

[Speaker 7] (1:09:09 - 1:09:11)
Yeah, one's a growth number, the other's a

[Speaker 8] (1:09:11 - 1:09:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:12 - 1:09:16)
Well, the other thing is you forgot to add that Swampscott

[Speaker 4] (1:09:17 - 1:09:20)
Swampscott seniors can go to any

[Speaker 8] (1:09:21 - 1:09:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:21 - 1:09:22)
council on aging,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:22 - 1:09:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:22 - 1:09:26)
any senior center in the Commonwealth. So it's an open door policy. It's

[Speaker 9] (1:09:26 - 1:09:28)
And vice versa for other towns.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:28 - 1:09:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:28 - 1:09:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:28 - 1:09:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
Mm-hmm,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:29 - 1:09:29)
right.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:29 - 1:09:30)
Mm-hmm, correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:30 - 1:09:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:30 - 1:09:32)
And you're welcome to. We encourage it.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:34 - 1:09:49)
I just think that's an important distinction when we're talking about thinking of, you know, adding things that ultimately come from the Swampscott taxpayer. We have to just be cognizant of how many Swampscott residents are actually bearing that burden. So, but thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:51 - 1:09:59)
So one compelling number that wasn't on the previous slide is actually the growth in staffing hours, the commensurate growth.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:00 - 1:10:07)
It's a single digit and it's only three percent. So you can see with only a three percent increase in staffing,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:07 - 1:10:18)
the centre is meeting and really succeeding in the growth of the services offered to the residents.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:19 - 1:10:19)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:10:19 - 1:10:19)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (1:10:19 - 1:10:28)
is that primarily because they're subsidized by volunteer hours? Like you're meeting what you need on the volunteer side because you don't have the ability to staff it.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:28 - 1:10:31)
So it's a heavier burden on the volunteer side

[Speaker 1] (1:10:31 - 1:10:31)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:31 - 1:10:32)
to meet

[Speaker 4] (1:10:32 - 1:10:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:32 - 1:10:32)
that need.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:32 - 1:10:32)
Mm Yeah.-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:32 - 1:10:33)
Of course.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:33 - 1:10:33)
Wow.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:34 - 1:10:35)
278%.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:35 - 1:10:36)
278% Exactly.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:36 - 1:10:38)
That is not sustainable.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:38 - 1:10:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:41 - 1:10:50)
So essentially to to summarise what the data is telling us is that the growth is broad, it's not just in one particular area but across the board.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:51 - 1:10:59)
Um what it's also showing is that it's not just a blip, right? It's it's structural. We all know that the bip the boomers, the baby

[Speaker 3] (1:10:59 - 1:10:59)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:59 - 1:11:16)
boomers are moving through the decades. Uh the majority of the boomers sit on the younger side, between the you know from sixty to to mid seventies. And so as they move and they get into the older uh ages and the vulnerable ages categories over

[Speaker 2] (1:11:16 - 1:11:27)
over time we're going to have to provide even more administratively intense services, the outreach and so on. Um so the growth is definitely systematic,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:28 - 1:11:38)
it's structural, and so we need to prepare ourselves. Um the bottom half of the slide is essentially showing us um that, you know, with growth comes growing pains.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:39 - 1:11:53)
Definitely. I mean, you've already recognised that so far. And so we know where we stand today, the current model of our making it work, but it's not sustainable, not even to meet the current needs,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:53 - 1:11:56)
let alone the future growing needs as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:57 - 1:12:04)
Later on in the presentation we will talk more about the demographic shifts and how do we look at these age categories that I just talked about.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:04 - 1:12:14)
talked about, uh but overall this is the picture. This is why it's it's a it's a compelling ask from us that we do need to do something and if we don't there are consequences.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:17 - 1:12:22)
So let me hand it over to Heidi to talk about staffing and operations in general.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:23 - 1:12:36)
So we currently have three full-time staff, myself, Sabrina, who's the outreach worker and assistant director, and then the programme volunteer coordinator. Um our part-time staff, we have

[Speaker 3] (1:12:36 - 1:13:02)
Ashley three part-time administrative assistants that cover the front desk and some of the work. Um two of them are grant funded and one of them is part-time is funded by this budget. And then finally the van driver, we have about twenty hours of van driving funds for medical rides and for um grocery shopping and for bringing people to the senior centre, etcetera, which is uh you'll see extremely low.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:02 - 1:13:20)
Um we have a hundred and fifteen volunteers this past year with over two thousand hours of volunteer work. Twenty of those are tax work-off volunteers and then we also have the student volunteers that have come from the high school to do the programs with um people living with dementia.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:22 - 1:13:28)
Seaglass Village is on the bottom there and it's mentioned because it somewhat relieves the pressure from what we do.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:28 - 1:13:37)
It is a non-profit that we started here in Swampscott based from our needs assessment that was that was conducted in 2019.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:37 - 1:13:45)
And just to give you a clue last year Seaglass Village between January and April provided a hundred and fifteen rides.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:46 - 1:13:52)
This year between January and April we provided three hundred and eighteen rides in just a small

[Speaker 3] (1:13:53 - 1:14:05)
timeframe. The senior center we've provided, at the same timeframe, we provided two hundred and eighty nine rides last year, and two hundred and seventy three rides this year.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:06 - 1:14:22)
The, we we don't have any additional funds to increase the number of rides. Two hundred and eighty nine is it it's very very much the same. But all I'm saying is is that the we are relying on heavily on volunteers to create and to get people to their doctor's appointments and things.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:22 - 1:14:35)
Can you just, so Seaglass Village, the non-profit organization, they're providing rides with, in their own cars, things like that, and they're providing that free of service, or how does that work with the

[Speaker 3] (1:14:35 - 1:14:50)
That's a membership organization where they pay a fee to belong. It's about a dollar a day, so they pay three hundred and sixty dollars a year, and we also have a grant fund from the woman's fund to provide scholarships to people who can't afford it.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:51 - 1:14:57)
If people have the membership and then the volunteers drive themselves in their own cars,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:57 - 1:15:10)
the membership fees cover all the additional insurance that needs to be had to cover to make sure the volunteers are safe as well as providing staffing. We have a one part-time director.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:11 - 1:15:13)
All right, and you said the town is providing how many rides?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:14 - 1:15:15)
In that time frame, we've

[Speaker 1] (1:15:15 - 1:15:15)
Two

[Speaker 3] (1:15:15 - 1:15:16)
been provided 289.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:16 - 1:15:20)
hundred eight ninety two eighty nine over the course of forty fifty two weeks?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:20 - 1:15:21)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:21 - 1:15:21)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:21 - 1:15:22)
that's just over the first three months.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:22 - 1:15:23)
January to

[Speaker 1] (1:15:23 - 1:15:24)
Got it got it.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:24 - 1:15:28)
One. Just three eighteen from January to April, he said, right?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:28 - 1:15:31)
Um January through April 15th.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:31 - 1:15:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:33 - 1:15:36)
And just to be clear, it's not the volunteers who pay the three sixty, it's the participants?

[Speaker 4] (1:15:38 - 1:15:39)
Yes, just

[Speaker 3] (1:15:39 - 1:15:39)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:15:39 - 1:15:39)
to be clear, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:39 - 1:15:40)
the members, yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:41 - 1:15:56)
Yes. And the the f the interesting piece I think for me is that we got this grant to provide the services for people living um below um poverty level. And a lot of the housing authority people are getting met becoming members, which is wonderful,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:57 - 1:16:08)
but they're sec exceptionally more needy than the average person who belongs to the Seaglass village. So someone as a cancer um going through cancer treatment and they're getting rides.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:08 - 1:16:11)
It's you know one ride up and then someone else is coming and riding them back and

[Speaker 3] (1:16:12 - 1:16:15)
These are our volunteers, a lot of them behind me. So

[Speaker 1] (1:16:15 - 1:16:18)
How many people do you turn away for for rides?

[Speaker 7] (1:16:19 - 1:16:19)
At the senior centre?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:19 - 1:16:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:20 - 1:16:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:20 - 1:16:21)
So um a

[Speaker 1] (1:16:21 - 1:16:21)
Well people

[Speaker 7] (1:16:21 - 1:16:22)
panel

[Speaker 1] (1:16:22 - 1:16:26)
people in the community calling especially people who live alone or

[Speaker 4] (1:16:26 - 1:16:28)
Who is who are older adults or disabled.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:28 - 1:16:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:28 - 1:16:38)
Okay so um well I think just to clarify the two numbers here I think are significant in that, you know, we are providing a tremendous amount of rides at the senior centre, but clearly th it

[Speaker 3] (1:16:38 - 1:16:55)
the rides at Seaglass Village is prov the ride the number of rides at Seaglass Village is providing combined with our number shows the overwhelming need for transportation. So Seaglass Village is doing an enormous amount because I mean we you know largely maxed out our ability I think in my opinion.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:57 - 1:16:59)
So I'm really proud of our transportation service.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:00 - 1:17:05)
In terms of unmet need over the past four months I've been kind of observing that and Dr.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:05 - 1:17:18)
I'm documenting that. And I've turned away 31% of um requested rides in the past four months. And that's largely due to um you know conflict with another ride, um a request being on a day that we don't provide the service.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:18 - 1:17:18)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:18 - 1:17:26)
Um or sometimes you know out of bounds. I mean we don't go to Boston. So that's you know that is a decline that we have to in staffing.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:26 - 1:17:34)
And do you work with the Bertram House and the residents in? Do you have a combination service with them? Do they have their own vehicles?

[Speaker 3] (1:17:34 - 1:17:34)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:17:34 - 1:17:34)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:17:34 - 1:17:34)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:34 - 1:17:38)
the machin, I just wanted to know what else. Do you work with the machin?

[Speaker 4] (1:17:38 - 1:17:41)
So the Michonne, to my knowledge, doesn't have a vehicle.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:41 - 1:17:53)
We transport many members of the, who live at the Michonne who don't have their own transportation. If you live in Swampscott and you are over the age of 50.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:53 - 1:18:17)
55 actually, um our well it's over s uh 60 f 60 or uh 55 with or desi disabled, 55 fifty five with a disability then we'll provide transportation. So you have to be a member of the senior centre um and we have um we provide uh rides to um local errand shopping on Mondays and Thursdays and um medical transportation on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:19 - 1:18:23)
So part of that 31% could be somebody calling for a medical appointment on Monday though.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:23 - 1:18:24)
Correct, yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:24 - 1:18:37)
So it would be great if that was broken down a little further to understand, you know, is it people calling for Saturday grocery shopping? Is it people calling for Monday medical? Or is it actually like we cannot meet it because the funds don't allow?

[Speaker 3] (1:18:38 - 1:18:41)
The 31% is specific to medical,

[Speaker 3] (1:18:41 - 1:18:44)
so not to our errand shopping.

[Speaker 8] (1:18:46 - 1:18:52)
And totally I could I could definitely dig deeper and and probably exhibit

[Speaker 4] (1:18:52 - 1:18:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:18:52 - 1:18:52)
better.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:52 - 1:18:58)
just curious, like if you offered them obviously on more days people don't coordinate their medical appointments with your schedule,

[Speaker 4] (1:18:59 - 1:19:05)
maybe they do now that they know what it is, but maybe if they do not know they're not able to do that, so.

[Speaker 8] (1:19:06 - 1:19:06)
Right, right.

[Speaker 8] (1:19:07 - 1:19:17)
And I would say that, I mean, there are many members of the senior center that really rely on our medical transportation and do coordinate their appointments based on our schedule.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:17 - 1:19:17)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:19:17 - 1:19:24)
Just today I went back and forth with a member who couldn't meet her need at the designated time. I suggested that she...

[Speaker 1] (1:19:36 - 1:19:39)
um including Dr Smith I don't know if he's still here but he's one of them

[Speaker 2] (1:19:41 - 1:19:45)
Two quick questions. Can you explain just for the public what Seaglass

[Speaker 2] (1:19:46 - 1:19:51)
is and what it does and how it is is basically a supplement also to existing services.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:53 - 1:20:12)
So, so Seaglass Village is um an organization based on a model that was developed twenty years ago in Boston called the Beacon Hill Village. It's now a movement throughout the country. There are about three hundred villages in throughout the country and some international. Each village is different. It's its own five O_ one C_ three.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:12 - 1:20:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:13 - 1:20:15)
Um what was the rest of your question, sorry?

[Speaker 2] (1:20:15 - 1:20:19)
No, just in a it it how does it supplement the services that you would have already been

[Speaker 2] (1:20:19 - 1:20:21)
giving in

[Speaker 3] (1:20:21 - 1:20:22)
Well, we

[Speaker 2] (1:20:22 - 1:20:23)
addition to at the senior center.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:23 - 1:20:33)
have, and I mention it very proudly, but we have this memorandum of understanding between the village and and the senior center, so that if someone

[Speaker 3] (1:20:34 - 1:21:00)
can use the senior center transportation to go do grocery shopping, then that's what we try to steer them to do. Um now mind you the village covers Swampscott, Marblehead and Nahant. And so Mar Marblehead doesn't have transportation to go grocery shopping when they want to. So it's um we're playing with all these different things all the time. But I will say that right now this in the same three month, four months time frame

[Speaker 3] (1:21:00 - 1:21:07)
We were not able to meet eleven percent of the rides, the needs of our senior lives village, just because we need more volunteers.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:07 - 1:21:07)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:08 - 1:21:18)
And I wanted to add about the transportation is that if there is a commitment to take somebody to a doctor's appointment and we either don't have a driver or whatever,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:19 - 1:21:33)
You can sometimes see Sabrina driving driving people to their their medical appointments which then takes her out of the facility and decreases the staff that's there to help just the general program.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:33 - 1:21:36)
Has there ever been a full-time van driver?

[Speaker 3] (1:21:37 - 1:21:38)
Not

[Speaker 5] (1:21:38 - 1:21:38)
40, not 35

[Speaker 3] (1:21:38 - 1:21:39)
that

[Speaker 5] (1:21:39 - 1:21:39)
hour

[Speaker 3] (1:21:39 - 1:21:39)
I know.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:39 - 1:21:39)
a week?

[Speaker 4] (1:21:39 - 1:21:39)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:39 - 1:21:40)
Always part-time.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:40 - 1:21:41)
Always part-time.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:41 - 1:21:45)
Yeah. We did have more money for transportation in the past.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:46 - 1:21:52)
So we we the town provides about twenty thousand dollars a year for right now for van drivers.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:52 - 1:21:52)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:52 - 1:22:02)
And we pay for the van drivers through another fund when when they're going on a trip to the park or the zoo or whatever.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:04 - 1:22:07)
I just have to ask a real c just get some clarity here.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:07 - 1:22:10)
AARP considers a senior fifty years old.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:11 - 1:22:14)
What does the senior center consider the senior?

[Speaker 1] (1:22:15 - 1:22:24)
So okay, I know that I was a little fuzzy, I might because I think that for us we don't we are our favourite saying at the Senior Centre is that we don't card people. Um so really

[Speaker 5] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25)
Well, I'm just trying to find

[Speaker 1] (1:22:25 - 1:22:25)
we're

[Speaker 5] (1:22:25 - 1:22:26)
out how many seniors

[Speaker 1] (1:22:26 - 1:22:26)
like

[Speaker 5] (1:22:26 - 1:22:28)
are at this table right here.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:28 - 1:22:29)
Oh oh oh, okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:29 - 1:22:30)
Oh, if it's fifty, it's three.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:30 - 1:22:33)
And I also prefer the term older adult,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:33 - 1:22:39)
but um yeah. So um I think that you know most of our membership is sixty five plus.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:40 - 1:22:45)
We don't turn anyone away and our,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:45 - 1:22:47)
if that helps

[Speaker 3] (1:22:47 - 1:22:47)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:22:47 - 1:22:47)
clarify,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:47 - 1:22:48)
at the state

[Speaker 1] (1:22:48 - 1:22:48)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:48 - 1:22:50)
level is 60 and over for

[Speaker 5] (1:22:50 - 1:22:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:51 - 1:22:55)
older adults, and our formula grant is based on 60 and over,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:55 - 1:23:00)
for which there are 4,320 60-year-olds and over in Swampscott.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:00 - 1:23:08)
And does that, if you had every 60-plus individual in Swampscott register at the senior center, would that increase your?

[Speaker 5] (1:23:08 - 1:23:10)
Your funding from the state?

[Speaker 3] (1:23:10 - 1:23:10)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:12 - 1:23:12)
Hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:12 - 1:23:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:12 - 1:23:14)
No, we get sixteen dollars per person

[Speaker 4] (1:23:14 - 1:23:14)
You had every

[Speaker 3] (1:23:14 - 1:23:15)
over the age of sixty five regardless.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:15 - 1:23:16)
I was

[Speaker 5] (1:23:16 - 1:23:18)
So they just know that they know that from the census?

[Speaker 3] (1:23:18 - 1:23:18)
Yes, right.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:18 - 1:23:19)
Yeah, it's a membership design.

[Speaker 5] (1:23:19 - 1:23:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:22 - 1:23:31)
So just to be clear, just to follow up on that, you get the funding you get from the state is based on census data for how many residents are over sixty not membership or anything, it's

[Speaker 5] (1:23:31 - 1:23:31)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:31 - 1:23:31)
just that's

[Speaker 5] (1:23:31 - 1:23:31)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:31 - 1:23:32)
understood. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:32 - 1:23:46)
Yes. Um and this is just the budget over the last um six years. And basically the the point here is that it it has not increased significantly at all except back in nineteen twenty um twenty twenty one.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:47 - 1:23:56)
But right now we get about one third of one percent of the town's budget or about point three six percent.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:58 - 1:24:14)
That means we get about eighty four dollars total including the formula grant. So we get sixteen from the formula grant and about sixty eight from the town, which means that we're each individual our budget is about eighty four dollars per person over the age of sixty.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:22 - 1:24:27)
So the reality is that we're doing more and more at the Senior Center.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:28 - 1:24:39)
We have more and more members being brought in all the time. We've had phenomenal programming, which is really kind of exciting for us.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:40 - 1:24:42)
But we're also stretched.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:43 - 1:24:43)
So we're

[Speaker 3] (1:24:44 - 1:24:51)
We don't have enough space at the Senior Center, so we've been moving into Clark. We started programs there two weeks ago at Clark,

[Speaker 3] (1:24:51 - 1:25:01)
uh where we started a beach uh beach ball volleyball, chair volleyball, so if you ever wanna come down and play with us. But we're also working on starting a um a maker shed at Clark.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:02 - 1:25:14)
The issue though is that if we start doing something at Clark, we're taking staffing away that we are already stretched with. And so how do we continue to to expand and to meet the demands of the town without

[Speaker 5] (1:25:14 - 1:25:19)
Have increase. have you discussed that with our Recreation Director? Like how to

[Speaker 1] (1:25:22 - 1:25:28)
Yes. I mean, I think that, I mean, definitely using volunteers would be something that we're discussing.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:28 - 1:25:35)
I think that, I mean, she has set up a really great model and given us a lot of really good ideas.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:36 - 1:25:40)
Just implementing that with a senior population, an older adult population,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:40 - 1:25:42)
a vulnerable population has some,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:43 - 1:25:45)
it's nuanced for us.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:48 - 1:25:49)
Because I'm going to be honest with you.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:50 - 1:25:57)
When we talked about using Clark School last year, it was a no.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:57 - 1:26:02)
Then finally this year we get a new recreation director and it's a yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:02 - 1:26:05)
And she just makes things happen non-stop.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:06 - 1:26:06)
It's,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:06 - 1:26:07)
She does, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:07 - 1:26:07)
she's

[Speaker 3] (1:26:07 - 1:26:07)
It's phenomenal.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:07 - 1:26:07)
amazing.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:08 - 1:26:08)
She's amazing.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:09 - 1:26:10)
She's here tonight.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:10 - 1:26:11)
I'm not saying because you're here tonight,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:11 - 1:26:15)
but it's just the facts are the facts. And I think that...

[Speaker 5] (1:26:15 - 1:26:33)
One concern I have is I'm constantly hearing how we're busting at the seams, we have no room, we have this and that, and you're just starting to use Clark. And I think that if maybe you work a little bit more with Charlotte, there's ways to really get into Clark a little bit more.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:33 - 1:26:38)
Yeah, agreed. I m I I think Charlotte is a fabulous person to collaborate with. We've

[Speaker 5] (1:26:38 - 1:26:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:38 - 1:26:40)
done some really great things with her already this year.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:41 - 1:26:41)
Uh

[Speaker 5] (1:26:41 - 1:26:42)
She just makes

[Speaker 4] (1:26:42 - 1:26:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:42 - 1:26:47)
Everything happened with a smile on her face, and it's a home run every time.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:48 - 1:26:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:26:48 - 1:26:48)
I think

[Speaker 3] (1:26:48 - 1:26:48)
it

[Speaker 5] (1:26:48 - 1:26:59)
that might be part now I don't want to say part of the problem, but I think the the accessibility for you guys at Clark creates the double-edged sword of now we have another location to service,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:26:59 - 1:27:00)
and we still have the

[Speaker 2] (1:27:00 - 1:27:01)
Wait

[Speaker 5] (1:27:01 - 1:27:01)
same

[Speaker 2] (1:27:01 - 1:27:01)
a second.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:01 - 1:27:04)
thank you we still have the same number of staff.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:04 - 1:27:04)
So that's part

[Speaker 5] (1:27:04 - 1:27:04)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:27:04 - 1:27:04)
of

[Speaker 5] (1:27:04 - 1:27:04)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:27:04 - 1:27:05)
the

[Speaker 5] (1:27:05 - 1:27:05)
to me

[Speaker 1] (1:27:05 - 1:27:05)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:05 - 1:27:06)
is what well

[Speaker 1] (1:27:06 - 1:27:06)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:06 - 1:27:07)
it's good to have the second location

[Speaker 1] (1:27:07 - 1:27:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:07 - 1:27:09)
if you don't have the people to

[Speaker 5] (1:27:10 - 1:27:12)
You can't be running back and forth between both,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:12 - 1:27:12)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (1:27:12 - 1:27:12)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:27:12 - 1:27:12)
We're sized

[Speaker 4] (1:27:12 - 1:27:13)
exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:13 - 1:27:13)
with that.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:13 - 1:27:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:13 - 1:27:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:27:13 - 1:27:15)
So I think that's where it's coming in.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:15 - 1:27:22)
It was so exciting to have the extra space and extra programming that I think, yes, it's exactly it.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:22 - 1:27:23)
It's the staffing.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:24 - 1:27:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:24 - 1:27:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:29 - 1:27:30)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:30 - 1:27:31)
So um

[Speaker 1] (1:27:31 - 1:27:38)
I'm going to talk a little bit about the documented unmet need in Swan Scott that I see at the center.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:39 - 1:27:45)
I think a big mission of our center and all senior centers is to address loneliness and isolation.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:45 - 1:27:48)
We're a place where people can come and connect socially.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:49 - 1:28:00)
I think that the cohort that is most at risk for isolation are older and vulnerable adults and in a couple of slides we'll describe what we mean by that.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:00 - 1:28:00)
that.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:01 - 1:28:03)
We've touched on transportation gaps.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:04 - 1:28:07)
I think that as a social worker at the center,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:07 - 1:28:15)
I really feel like the transition to retirement and then kind of beyond that,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:15 - 1:28:19)
there's a lot of, there's significant adjustment that people need to make.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:20 - 1:28:26)
You're losing a social connection through work that you used to have. You are, you know, losing friends.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:28 - 1:28:40)
You know, you're, there's a lot of loss and then there's the loss of the ability to drive and that is, you know, that feeds loneliness and isolation and it contributes to poor health outcomes because you're not able to get to the doctor,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:41 - 1:28:44)
you're choosing maybe not to go to the doctor because you don't want to ask somebody for a ride.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:45 - 1:28:46)
So that's all cumulative.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:48 - 1:28:52)
I've seen a phenomenal increase in the need for caregiver support,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:52 - 1:28:57)
about 170% increase actually in referrals that I've seen.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:57 - 1:29:09)
that I've made to memory care programs, both within our senior centre um and in the broader community, um so that's a growing um and I can only imagine the unmet need there. So

[Speaker 1] (1:29:11 - 1:29:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:14 - 1:29:19)
So I think that I wanna contextualise um kind of what we mean by active ager

[Speaker 1] (1:29:23 - 1:29:29)
Our active agers are kind of the members that are on the younger end coming into the senior center.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:29 - 1:29:31)
And, you know,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31)
I,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:33)
from the social work perspective,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:33 - 1:29:37)
this is where we're providing, you know, some psychosocial support,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:37 - 1:29:43)
I said assistance, you know, assisting with the adjustment to transitioning to retirement or the senior.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:42 - 1:29:43)
or this phase of life.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:43 - 1:29:50)
I also see this as a really preventative stage at the senior center where I can you know kind of educate people,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:50 - 1:29:51)
connect them to resources,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:51 - 1:29:56)
maybe get some conversations going about housing you know prior to a crisis happening.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:57 - 1:30:02)
It's like a really good kind of like that's the preventative proactive side.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:02 - 1:30:08)
Moving into the older agers and vulnerable agers, this is where there's like more of a need for case management.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:08 - 1:30:10)
appointment referrals like referrals to GLIS,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:10 - 1:30:16)
you know, more of a need for just things like durable medical goods,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:16 - 1:30:19)
medical transportation.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:20 - 1:30:34)
And there's a lot more crisis-oriented needs in this kind of as you progress through the older agers and vulnerable agers, a lot more reliance on emergency services as well as, you know, memory care needs and caregiver support.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:35 - 1:30:52)
So as we've discussed, and I mean it's not a secret that we're growing older and that by the age of 2030 we'll, you know, have a significant surge in, you know, in we'll we'll have more older adults and a significant surge in in need for services.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:55 - 1:30:59)
I feel like that this slide says demographic pressures and demand will continue to grow.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:00 - 1:31:01)
I'm going to say that demand is already growing.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:02 - 1:31:05)
And I would say in comparing,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:05 - 1:31:22)
like I just kind of ran some numbers comparing last fiscal year to the year before and an outreach I saw, and I just wanted to just a couple of trends that are popping up, a 200% increase in housing-related contacts and evaluations and consultations at the senior center.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:22 - 1:31:24)
and a 200% increase in

[Speaker 1] (1:31:26 - 1:31:30)
Contacts that I've had at the centre related to emotional crisis and behavioural health needs.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:30 - 1:31:38)
So, you know, those are pretty significant trends that I'm already seeing growing. I'm only going to, you know, hypothesise that those are going to continue to grow.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:40 - 1:31:53)
I feel like this is a point where I can like really, I can't underscore enough to the work that our town's emergency services, police and fire are doing kind of behind the scenes to prop up our older adults.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:53 - 1:31:54)
in our community.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:54 - 1:32:15)
I also feel like some unseen heroes are neighbors who are looking out for other neighbors and that really does supplement like what we do at the senior center and you know I think that but it also touches to like the broader need and I think that you know more collaboration with town departments,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:15 - 1:32:16)
recreation,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:16 - 1:32:21)
emergency services for a more coordinated response I would hope.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:21 - 1:32:32)
would kind of help us deal with like the present need but also you know maybe prevent some more crisis oriented situations.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:35 - 1:32:37)
Do you work with the veterans agent too? Is

[Speaker 1] (1:32:37 - 1:32:37)
the Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:37 - 1:32:39)
veterans agent at the senior center every week?

[Speaker 3] (1:32:40 - 1:32:41)
Yes, our s mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:41 - 1:32:42)
We can represent

[Speaker 2] (1:32:42 - 1:32:45)
Yes, our, or they I don't know if it's a he or they.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:45 - 1:32:47)
Sometimes it might and sometimes it's Deb.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:47 - 1:32:50)
So they're there every week? So if I'm a veteran, I know I can go in on a certain day and

[Speaker 3] (1:32:50 - 1:32:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:50 - 1:32:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:50 - 1:32:51)
schedule it, yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:51 - 1:32:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:51 - 1:32:52)
It's a great

[Speaker 3] (1:32:53 - 1:32:53)
That's good.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:53 - 1:32:58)
So this like just kind of compares um Swampskit with other communities.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:59 - 1:33:09)
And my understanding was that the select board had been asked for communities to compare with salary ranges etcetera of ci of towns that are comparable. And this

[Speaker 5] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:09 - 1:33:28)
is the list that I got, and this is the list that we compared with. And so we were just comparing staffing patterns with full-time and part-time staff and you can see that Swampscott is the sixth um out of seven. And so if you were to do the peer average at a hundred percent, Swampscott's at about eighty-seven

[Speaker 3] (1:33:28 - 1:33:32)
eighty six percent of it of um in comparison to their other communities.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:36 - 1:33:47)
When when you talk about comparing its other communities like I mean obviously we talked a little bit about the collaboration between other communities and that all senior centers are pretty much open door policies right

[Speaker 2] (1:33:47 - 1:33:48)
Mm.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:48 - 1:33:56)
What are we doing to synergize the work that is happening in the communities surrounding us so that if we can't provide everything,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:56 - 1:34:08)
we are making sure that we are directing seniors to a senior center surrounding us so that our lack of ability to provide is not their lack of ability to receive.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:10 - 1:34:20)
So like are we checking with Marblehead? Are we checking with Salem? Are we checking in with Lynn? Are we checking in with Nahant? And then trying to work in a collaborative fashion so that not all five of us are offering everything,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:20 - 1:34:25)
but that we're offering a variety so that the seniors needs are met in

[Speaker 3] (1:34:25 - 1:34:25)
Well for

[Speaker 6] (1:34:25 - 1:34:26)
our area.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:26 - 1:34:38)
activities that seniors come to the Senior Center to do and to engage in like Mahjong or or Canasta or exercise programs those are all collaborative and and

[Speaker 3] (1:34:39 - 1:34:50)
We know that we had to stop the Mahjong class, for example, for three months because we were doing A_A_R_P_ taxes. Well they went over to Salem instead. And so we do that kind of collaboration

[Speaker 6] (1:34:50 - 1:34:50)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:50 - 1:34:51)
all the time.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:51 - 1:34:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:52 - 1:35:03)
As far as S Sabrina's work, which is much heavier, is she really tries to s zero in on providing those services just as Swampscott residents. And our transportation is for Swampscott residents.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:04 - 1:35:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:04 - 1:35:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:04 - 1:35:04)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:04 - 1:35:06)
So the transportation is solely for Swampscott residents.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:06 - 1:35:07)
Residence.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:07 - 1:35:08)
I would the swamp

[Speaker 7] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
I want

[Speaker 1] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
the

[Speaker 7] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
to see glass.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:08 - 1:35:15)
transportation is like the is the one service that we really is only for you have to be a Swamp Scout resident to use our transportation.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:15 - 1:35:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:16 - 1:35:16)
Except

[Speaker 2] (1:35:16 - 1:35:17)
Except for sea glass,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
Sea

[Speaker 2] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
right?

[Speaker 7] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
glass.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:17 - 1:35:18)
Because they're normal.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:18 - 1:35:19)
But well so there are separate.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:19 - 1:35:20)
Are there in addition?

[Speaker 1] (1:35:20 - 1:35:21)
Yes, yeah yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:21 - 1:35:21)
Okay I gotcha.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:21 - 1:35:27)
And sea glass is really just a great resource that I can refer to just from a you know social work perspective.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:30 - 1:35:32)
So I think to Katie's point is you're talking about

[Speaker 1] (1:35:32 - 1:35:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:32 - 1:35:36)
if we're collaborating for attendance and membership and activities,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:36 - 1:35:39)
is there the same collaboration for resources,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:40 - 1:35:40)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:35:40 - 1:35:46)
So is that not something that's been developed or explored? Or maybe it has and maybe it just hasn't got there.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:46 - 1:35:47)
I think it's an opportunity,

[Speaker 1] (1:35:47 - 1:35:48)
a huge opportunity.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:48 - 1:35:50)
And I think that, you know, that.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:52 - 1:36:09)
I would be willing I would be so happy to be a part of that like broader discussion. I think that there are many ways that we could do that. I mean um Heidi and I have dreamed about we we run on Fridays a social day programme which is a four-hour respite programme um we service six community members um who uh live with memory loss.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:09 - 1:36:18)
We've thought about how wonderful it would be to regionalize that and, you know, maybe have a day in Swampscott, a day in Nahant, a day in Marblehead, I mean that would be a huge

[Speaker 6] (1:36:18 - 1:36:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:18 - 1:36:18)
benefit.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:18 - 1:36:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:36:18 - 1:36:19)
That would be a great goal

[Speaker 2] (1:36:19 - 1:36:19)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:19 - 1:36:20)
to work towards.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:20 - 1:36:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:20 - 1:36:25)
We share bocce courts and those kinds of things when they're doing tournaments and whatever,

[Speaker 3] (1:36:26 - 1:36:28)
but other than that, it's mostly

[Speaker 2] (1:36:28 - 1:36:29)
That's the extent of it.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:29 - 1:36:40)
Yeah, I think I had a conversation about a year ago maybe about like I know in Marblehead they offer a lot of like behavioral health services and like they have more available there,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:40 - 1:36:44)
but there's so much of a need that they can't offer it to residents.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:44 - 1:37:07)
outside of Marblehead because the need is so great in Marblehead and so I guess that's the the drawback of regionalization is that they have to be we have to be willing to sort of pool some resources and then figure out how it's going to work and how it's going to pattern out so that everybody's getting the benefit they bargain for but you know maybe there's a way we can facilitate some of the things that we aren't able to provide

[Speaker 6] (1:37:08 - 1:37:12)
more wholesomely dressed as a Swampscott resident.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:12 - 1:37:15)
And not just at your level, right? So at Nick's level,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:15 - 1:37:19)
right, that's a conversation that, you know, like we've had with Nahant or,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:19 - 1:37:20)
you know,

[Speaker 6] (1:37:20 - 1:37:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:20 - 1:37:24)
in different areas, this is probably one that's never been explored,

[Speaker 2] (1:37:24 - 1:37:26)
right, and could be, certainly.

[Speaker 11] (1:37:26 - 1:37:28)
Do we have any data that determines

[Speaker 11] (1:37:29 - 1:37:34)
Other towns or cities that are receiving Swampscott residents and giving them services?

[Speaker 12] (1:37:34 - 1:37:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:34 - 1:37:35)
Like reciprocal.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:36 - 1:37:37)
I've never asked, no,

[Speaker 3] (1:37:37 - 1:37:38)
but we could.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:38 - 1:37:39)
I bet it's Salem,

[Speaker 6] (1:37:39 - 1:37:39)
Yeah,

[Speaker 12] (1:37:39 - 1:37:40)
I'm guessing,

[Speaker 6] (1:37:40 - 1:37:40)
I

[Speaker 12] (1:37:40 - 1:37:40)
Marblehead.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:40 - 1:37:43)
would love to know what they're going there for also,

[Speaker 6] (1:37:43 - 1:37:45)
like what service we're not providing that they're

[Speaker 12] (1:37:45 - 1:37:45)
Because

[Speaker 6] (1:37:45 - 1:37:45)
going that somewhere else for.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:45 - 1:37:53)
would be helpful to understand or to know where we could potentially regionalize or collaborate with if they're receiving our residents,

[Speaker 12] (1:37:54 - 1:37:56)
you know, that would make the conversation more logical.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:56 - 1:37:56)
Cool.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:56 - 1:37:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:56 - 1:37:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:57 - 1:38:01)
Do you keep it do you keep data on when people are coming into our senior center where they're coming from?

[Speaker 3] (1:38:02 - 1:38:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:02 - 1:38:02)
Uh-huh. Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:02 - 1:38:08)
So on a daily basis you know that twenty eight percent came from Lynn, thirty percent came from

[Speaker 3] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
If you yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:08 - 1:38:12)
if you you could pull it apart if you need wanted to, we just used the more

[Speaker 6] (1:38:12 - 1:38:23)
I mean that's the jumping off point Mary Ellen to your point like to call what is the highest other population we service call them first and say hey we we service 30% of your population what are you servicing for our population?

[Speaker 6] (1:38:23 - 1:38:29)
how can we collaborate to provide a service we don't already provide maybe it's one you provide like

[Speaker 6] (1:38:30 - 1:38:31)
Maybe we're able to work that way.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:31 - 1:38:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (1:38:31 - 1:38:36)
But I'm going to guess the transportation piece is still going to be the biggest,

[Speaker 11] (1:38:36 - 1:38:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:36 - 1:38:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (1:38:36 - 1:38:38)
you know, pain point,

[Speaker 12] (1:38:38 - 1:38:47)
right? And we still would need to augment that if we deal with reciprocal relationships with neighbouring towns, that's going to come more into play

[Speaker 6] (1:38:47 - 1:38:47)
But

[Speaker 12] (1:38:47 - 1:38:47)
is,

[Speaker 6] (1:38:47 - 1:38:52)
I would also venture to think the transportation is the least costly over the programming,

[Speaker 6] (1:38:52 - 1:38:52)
right?

[Speaker 6] (1:38:52 - 1:38:57)
Like it's probably less expensive to bring somebody to a neighbouring town where a programme is happening.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:57 - 1:39:00)
is happening than it is to make the program happen here.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:00 - 1:39:02)
If you can pick a few up at a time,

[Speaker 12] (1:39:02 - 1:39:02)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:02 - 1:39:03)
you know, a little together.

[Speaker 6] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:03 - 1:39:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:03 - 1:39:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:39:04 - 1:39:07)
Is there a consortium between directors of local

[Speaker 3] (1:39:08 - 1:39:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:39:09 - 1:39:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:09 - 1:39:09)
Consortiums.

[Speaker 11] (1:39:09 - 1:39:11)
So do you guys talk to each other on a regular basis?

[Speaker 3] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11)
Regularly,

[Speaker 11] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11)
And okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:11 - 1:39:12)
monthly,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:12 - 1:39:12)
yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:13 - 1:39:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14)
Some seniors.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:18)
Some senior centers are more engaging in those kinds of activities

[Speaker 3] (1:39:18 - 1:39:18)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:18 - 1:39:19)
and so on on the director.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:21 - 1:39:24)
And we have gone after regional grants and

[Speaker 3] (1:39:24 - 1:39:24)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:24 - 1:39:26)
yet they have not been funded

[Speaker 1] (1:39:26 - 1:39:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:27 - 1:39:27)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:27 - 1:39:29)
for regional transportation grants we've worked on.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:30 - 1:39:30)
Yeah, so.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:30 - 1:39:31)
Transportation.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:31 - 1:39:33)
Does not have a dir do they have a director over there do they have a senior

[Speaker 3] (1:39:33 - 1:39:34)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:39:34 - 1:39:34)
center over there?

[Speaker 2] (1:39:34 - 1:39:35)
Part-time.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:36 - 1:39:52)
And yes, part of the problem with people having to go to other communities is because of our space limitations we are constantly having to turn people away if they've signed up for a class and we no longer have room.

[Speaker 6] (1:39:52 - 1:39:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:52 - 1:39:59)
And so then they might go to another class and then they might continue because they know that we're such a small space

[Speaker 4] (1:39:59 - 1:39:59)
they Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:59 - 1:40:01)
may never get into the program.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:01 - 1:40:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:01 - 1:40:03)
So that's and that's part of the problem.

[Speaker 7] (1:40:03 - 1:40:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:03 - 1:40:04)
That's part of the problem.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:09 - 1:40:16)
So this just kind of gives you a little bit of an idea of how um

[Speaker 2] (1:40:18 - 1:40:20)
sorry, that got out of order. Um

[Speaker 2] (1:40:20 - 1:40:39)
what an uh an impact might be on um increasing some staffing and there's you see that there's no years or anything put on here, but pretty immediately it would be helpful for the senior centre to c to kind of restructure the administrative so it's maybe taking the two-part-time

[Speaker 2] (1:40:39 - 1:40:51)
Um two of the part-time um staff administ at it sorry. Administrative staff and combine them into one F_T_E_ so you have the continuity of the whole week,

[Speaker 4] (1:40:51 - 1:40:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:51 - 1:41:07)
and that person knows what's going on in the whole week. Um and then maybe immediately increasing some of the drivers' hours. Um and then later on in the future maybe um hiring an outreach worker which would be a full F_T_E_

[Speaker 2] (1:41:07 - 1:41:36)
and transportation coordinator or maybe you take the programme manager and the volunteer manager and split those two, and it will depend on how things kind of unfold. But the net cost over this this expansion would be sixty eight to a hundred and two K_ which is a real estimate, but you can see comparing it to the cost of three unplanned hospitalisation, it readmissions, um it's it's kind of staggering, if we keeping three people

[Speaker 2] (1:41:36 - 1:41:51)
three people out of the hospital through Sabrina's work with getting them the n the services they need and making sure that they're connected to um care, and caregivers then you're you're helping them stay at home and not being readmitted to hospitals.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:55 - 1:41:56)
And this is um

[Speaker 2] (1:41:56 - 1:42:09)
Again, just just talking about the immediate need with the changes in um staffing and then near term and in future need. And we know that it's not gonna happen today, but we do really lead that you

[Speaker 4] (1:42:09 - 1:42:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:10 - 1:42:11)
hear this call.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:11 - 1:42:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:12 - 1:42:15)
Have um have you discussed any funding through Big Blue Bargains?

[Speaker 8] (1:42:16 - 1:42:26)
Big Blue Bargains has been a big supporter. I mean they've um they've definitely I mean not exactly specifically that but we've um been a recipient of you know uh they've

[Speaker 5] (1:42:26 - 1:42:26)
Ah.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:26 - 1:42:42)
given us um I I am blanking on the name of the scholarship that or the there are days of giving Yes. um they have donated um uh a craft class to us and um they've been you know very supportive of the senior centre. So that would be a great

[Speaker 9] (1:42:42 - 1:42:45)
partnership. I mean, I, I would love to talk to them.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:45 - 1:42:46)
Okay. Yeah, just, um,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:46 - 1:42:49)
20 to $30,000 is real money,

[Speaker 8] (1:42:49 - 1:42:52)
but it's not that great an ask.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:53 - 1:42:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:53 - 1:43:07)
Um, so I just wonder if you found a partner who would cover part or part of like partial payment of that annually for this year, that maybe it would be more realistic to come forward with it for the next fiscal year or something like that.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:07 - 1:43:08)
So just a thought.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:08 - 1:43:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
That's a great thought.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:10 - 1:43:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (1:43:13 - 1:43:16)
What are the opportunities for state grants when it comes to this?

[Speaker 2] (1:43:17 - 1:43:25)
We are looking at another grant right now, um but they're mostly um what they call SIG grants. So it's um trying out new activities,

[Speaker 2] (1:43:26 - 1:43:26)
trying out something different

[Speaker 10] (1:43:26 - 1:43:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:27 - 1:43:28)
to see if it will work

[Speaker 10] (1:43:28 - 1:43:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:28 - 1:43:40)
for funding, which is where Alma came from with the the project. It's where the Forget Me Not programme came. It's the the conferences that we do is more of those one-offs and see if they work and continue.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:44 - 1:44:03)
So we've sort of touched on a lot of the consequences and that we face, but to be a little more specific, for example, on the rides, when we have to turn people away because we're either not going to Boston or we don't have the staff.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:03 - 1:44:10)
We don't have the staff to then find out what happened to these people. Did they get a ride to the doctor?

[Speaker 5] (1:44:10 - 1:44:11)
Did they get to the doctor?

[Speaker 5] (1:44:11 - 1:44:14)
Did anything happen to them?

[Speaker 5] (1:44:14 - 1:44:16)
That's a big consequence.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:17 - 1:44:21)
The programs, as we talked about having to turn people away,

[Speaker 5] (1:44:21 - 1:44:22)
the meals,

[Speaker 5] (1:44:22 - 1:44:25)
we only are able to offer two meals a week.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:26 - 1:44:41)
For a lot of these people that may be the only good meals that they have the whole week because we can't offer more than that and there are only what four dollars so it's not a big cost but we don't have the staffing.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:42 - 1:44:43)
to offer more meals.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:43 - 1:44:44)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:44:44 - 1:44:49)
How frequently do you have someone there to promote? What is the schedule for two Two days a week.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:49 - 1:44:49)
Two days a week.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:49 - 1:44:49)
Two

[Speaker 2] (1:44:49 - 1:44:50)
Two days

[Speaker 4] (1:44:50 - 1:44:50)
days a week.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:50 - 1:44:50)
week.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:50 - 1:44:50)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:50 - 1:44:50)
And it's

[Speaker 9] (1:44:50 - 1:44:50)
Tuesday,

[Speaker 2] (1:44:50 - 1:44:52)
just, is it just dinners or lunch?

[Speaker 4] (1:44:52 - 1:44:53)
Lunch.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:53 - 1:44:53)
Lunch.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:53 - 1:44:53)
Lunch.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:53 - 1:44:53)
Lunch.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:53 - 1:44:54)
Lunch.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:54 - 1:44:55)
Chef prepared.

[Speaker 9] (1:44:55 - 1:45:01)
I mean, we source our all of our ingredients. He buys and prepares. It's a high quality meal,

[Speaker 2] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
for

[Speaker 10] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
I

[Speaker 9] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
can

[Speaker 9] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:45:01 - 1:45:02)
attest to that.

[Speaker 10] (1:45:02 - 1:45:05)
I participated yesterday or two days ago.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:05 - 1:45:07)
So why do you only offer it two days a week?

[Speaker 5] (1:45:08 - 1:45:08)
Staffing.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:09 - 1:45:09)
money.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:11 - 1:45:14)
We don't have the money for staffing to pay for it.

[Speaker 10] (1:45:14 - 1:45:17)
Does the four dollars itself cover additional staff?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:17 - 1:45:18)
No, no, it doesn't cover

[Speaker 10] (1:45:18 - 1:45:23)
I it. don't know how much what is what is the the minimum you need in order to self cover or self fund for

[Speaker 4] (1:45:23 - 1:45:26)
To cover the staffing and the food or just the food?

[Speaker 10] (1:45:26 - 1:45:31)
the for the food that service a part of it or for the food and the stuff to make to

[Speaker 4] (1:45:31 - 1:45:31)
Well,

[Speaker 10] (1:45:31 - 1:45:32)
make it

[Speaker 4] (1:45:32 - 1:45:35)
the staff is oh my gosh, I can't remember what is.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:36 - 1:45:47)
What is line item is what we pay for him, for the staff person. It's about eight hours a week that he works to to prepare the meals. Um but the food costs probably are around seven to eight dollars

[Speaker 5] (1:45:48 - 1:45:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:45:48 - 1:45:48)
Per person?

[Speaker 2] (1:45:48 - 1:45:49)
per person.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:49 - 1:46:04)
Mm-hmm. And anchor there's no opportunity for anchor to do anything with that I wouldn't assume right or has there is there a collaboration that ever was thought of or something in terms of what they get for grants and you know is if if that has ever been tapped or worked out.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:04 - 1:46:04)
doubt you

[Speaker 9] (1:46:04 - 1:46:05)
We

[Speaker 4] (1:46:05 - 1:46:05)
know

[Speaker 9] (1:46:05 - 1:46:14)
we yeah we definitely support some grants for you know maybe partnering with the CSA with like a local CSA to get some ingredients that but you

[Speaker 5] (1:46:14 - 1:46:15)
Yeah okay

[Speaker 9] (1:46:15 - 1:46:18)
know it's it's possible for sure.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:18 - 1:46:18)
okay

[Speaker 9] (1:46:18 - 1:46:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:19 - 1:46:32)
So would you say that that would be a priority like additional driver and because I have to be honest with you I cared for one of my parents for many many years in the senior years and one thing that

[Speaker 4] (1:46:33 - 1:47:01)
was very serious was nutrition. What I noticed was many of his friends uh landed in the hospital constantly because they weren't eating, you know, they were eating f foods that were high in salt and that landed them in the hospital, and it was something that was pretty profound that I saw. And then you see so many seniors that don't make food for themselves, whatever. So I always recognized it as a serious issue and a serious preventive.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:01 - 1:47:16)
um issue so it's only here that we're only offering two meals a week that's pretty concerning. But it it is that a priority for you or is it the driver like what are your priorities?

[Speaker 5] (1:47:16 - 1:47:17)
All of them.

[Speaker 9] (1:47:17 - 1:47:18)
I think all of You the above.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:18 - 1:47:19)
can't have all of them, just give me

[Speaker 5] (1:47:19 - 1:47:19)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:47:19 - 1:47:23)
we can let's if we can get something what are the priorities?

[Speaker 5] (1:47:27 - 1:47:28)
would say transportation.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:28 - 1:47:29)
I think transportation's

[Speaker 5] (1:47:29 - 1:47:29)
I would think so, that's

[Speaker 2] (1:47:29 - 1:47:30)
the key.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:30 - 1:47:30)
what it sounds like.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:31 - 1:47:31)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:47:31 - 1:47:37)
um we we can be a congregate meal site. We used to be a congregate meal site.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:37 - 1:47:38)
That means that

[Speaker 10] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
What

[Speaker 4] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
Trio

[Speaker 10] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
does that mean?

[Speaker 4] (1:47:38 - 1:47:47)
somewhere out in Worcester makes that food and they cook it and then they put it in a bus at eight at four o'clock in the morning and they bring it.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:47 - 1:47:51)
And so the broccoli when it gets to the senior center and gets in the steam table is mush.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:52 - 1:48:12)
And so people were just plain not eating it. And so after COVID we started with different volunteers and we just tried so many different iterations that we got school food from the high school and we brought it over and we were paid them for the food and it was still not a way to attract people to come.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:12 - 1:48:16)
You want to have a meal that is acceptable and I think it's respectable.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:16 - 1:48:19)
Well, now you have a really good chef over there too.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:19 - 1:48:19)
We

[Speaker 9] (1:48:19 - 1:48:19)
We

[Speaker 2] (1:48:19 - 1:48:20)
do.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:20 - 1:48:20)
do.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:20 - 1:48:21)
Yes, and he's a draw.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:21 - 1:48:22)
as well.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:22 - 1:48:23)
Feel uh-huh use

[Speaker 9] (1:48:23 - 1:48:24)
I would also argue that the, like,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:24 - 1:48:24)
a draw

[Speaker 9] (1:48:24 - 1:48:26)
yeah, he is a draw.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:26 - 1:48:40)
And I would also argue that, like, the social and emotional connection that occurs with when you're sharing a meal and when you're eating is also so positive and preventative. And it prevents us. And it just,

[Speaker 9] (1:48:40 - 1:48:43)
to create more of that culture would be great.

[Speaker 9] (1:48:43 - 1:48:45)
I think that transportation is a priority,

[Speaker 9] (1:48:46 - 1:48:46)
but honestly,

[Speaker 9] (1:48:47 - 1:48:47)
that is too.

[Speaker 10] (1:48:48 - 1:48:48)
So what

[Speaker 9] (1:48:48 - 1:48:49)
Are we?

[Speaker 10] (1:48:49 - 1:48:53)
is the supplement from MassHealth and or Medicaid,

[Speaker 10] (1:48:54 - 1:49:00)
MassHealth, and do they provide funding sometimes through their own insurance?

[Speaker 10] (1:49:00 - 1:49:02)
Will they provide funding to doctor's appointments?

[Speaker 10] (1:49:02 - 1:49:07)
I only say that because my dad did, but that's how that worked out for him because he was on his own.

[Speaker 10] (1:49:07 - 1:49:08)
I don't know how that works here.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:09 - 1:49:24)
Mm-hmm. Um so mass health does there is a transportation benefit for you know those that have I mean mass there is there is that component but that's very different from kind of what we do at the center and the transportation that we provide.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:25 - 1:49:30)
I think that there are members that utilize that resource through mass health.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:31 - 1:49:36)
But our transportation is separate from that.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:36 - 1:49:37)
Okay. And what about Meals on Wheels?

[Speaker 2] (1:49:38 - 1:49:44)
So Meals on Wheels is in our area is coordinated through Greater Lynn Senior Services, not through the senior center.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:44 - 1:49:50)
And many of our members at the senior center participate in Meals on Wheels.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:50 - 1:49:56)
And we have a great relationship with the nutrition coordinator at Greater Lynn Senior Services. And actually,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:57 - 1:49:57)
just,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:57 - 1:49:58)
you know, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:58 - 1:49:58)
I,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:58 - 1:49:59)
but.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:01 - 1:50:01)
They deliver,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:01 - 1:50:02)
Definitely.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:02 - 1:50:02)
they there,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:02 - 1:50:02)
They deliver

[Speaker 3] (1:50:02 - 1:50:02)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:02 - 1:50:04)
about 80 meals a day,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:04 - 1:50:04)
Eighty?

[Speaker 4] (1:50:04 - 1:50:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:05 - 1:50:06)
80 to some moms get breakfast, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:07 - 1:50:19)
What about for if we wanted to increase by even one day a month, having it subsidized through restaurateurs or other volunteer programs?

[Speaker 2] (1:50:19 - 1:50:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:19 - 1:50:22)
Like, you know, for example, like spur,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:22 - 1:50:25)
my family has given our time to spur before and they produce,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:25 - 1:50:28)
you're laughing.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:28 - 1:50:28)
Is

[Speaker 5] (1:50:28 - 1:50:28)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:28 - 1:50:28)
it good?

[Speaker 5] (1:50:28 - 1:50:30)
or maybe because I think that we,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:30 - 1:50:32)
We've been trying to work with spur. You have?

[Speaker 2] (1:50:32 - 1:50:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:32 - 1:50:33)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:33 - 1:50:33)
I know someone.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:33 - 1:50:33)
no, no, no, no,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:33 - 1:50:34)
Let no, me help you.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:34 - 1:50:34)
we can't work.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:34 - 1:50:35)
I will try.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:35 - 1:50:35)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:35 - 1:50:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:35 - 1:50:36)
No, no, in a good way,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:36 - 1:50:36)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:36 - 1:50:37)
in a good way.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37)
good.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37)
No,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37)
we're, we're, no, no.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:37 - 1:50:37)
no.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:37 - 1:50:38)
Oh, good.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:38 - 1:50:39)
We're going to, no,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:39 - 1:50:42)
we are doing a, like a lasagna event with them

[Speaker 5] (1:50:42 - 1:50:42)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:42 - 1:50:42)
soon.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:42 - 1:50:43)
great.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:43 - 1:50:43)
So,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:43 - 1:50:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:43 - 1:50:43)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:43 - 1:50:51)
I've done the particular event at Sherat's and my family has gone and made like hundreds of lasagnas, which then go out for preparation.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:51 - 1:51:03)
Like they're not pre-cooked. They go to the families or people who want to eat them and then they cook them themselves. But I know they also work with like so many food banks and they offer so many.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:03 - 1:51:10)
these other services like if they could become part of a even a 12 once a month rotation where

[Speaker 2] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:10 - 1:51:25)
one month it's spur one month it's dockside one month it's mission one month and like I'm sure we could find Sam Walker I'm sure we can find people who once a year would be willing to subsidize a meal for our seniors rather than the commitment of a monthly commitment yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:51:25 - 1:51:25)
I agree.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:26 - 1:51:27)
Yeah, like a celebrity chef or a celebrity

[Speaker 5] (1:51:27 - 1:51:29)
and then if that is a draw

[Speaker 5] (1:51:29 - 1:51:43)
draw right because you're coming and having a meal from dockside at the senior center wouldn't that be nice so um and they might not have the opportunity to be able to go out and enjoy a meal at a restaurant um for either cost or whatever other problem so just something to think

[Speaker 6] (1:51:43 - 1:51:43)
And

[Speaker 5] (1:51:43 - 1:51:44)
about yeah

[Speaker 6] (1:51:44 - 1:51:46)
we need a staff person to do that.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:47 - 1:51:54)
and i think well this cuts down your food cost question and then only brings into question your um

[Speaker 5] (1:51:55 - 1:51:56)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:56 - 1:51:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:56 - 1:51:58)
not transportation because it would be at the senior center.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:58 - 1:51:58)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:58 - 1:52:00)
So then it would only be the staff to coordinate.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:00 - 1:52:01)
Chef Kost.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:01 - 1:52:10)
Yeah. So you'd at least reduce the costs to just with the four dollars per person cover a partial cost of your coordinator,

[Speaker 5] (1:52:10 - 1:52:14)
then would that then what would that look like for a subsidy from the town?

[Speaker 5] (1:52:15 - 1:52:16)
So something like that.

[Speaker 2] (1:52:16 - 1:52:17)
Mm-hmm. I love that idea.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:18 - 1:52:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:19 - 1:52:23)
So getting back to consequences that we've...

[Speaker 6] (1:52:24 - 1:52:26)
because I could go on forever about the consequences.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:28 - 1:52:37)
You know, in the in the past, if you, you know, can go back very far, you know, if you were not able to stay in your home,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:37 - 1:52:39)
the only other place you could go was a nursing home.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:39 - 1:52:40)
There was nothing in between.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:41 - 1:52:46)
That was and how many people ended up in nursing homes that didn't belong in nursing homes.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:46 - 1:52:49)
So now we now have assisted living,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:49 - 1:52:52)
we have independent living,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:52 - 1:52:53)
we have memory care,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:53 - 1:53:01)
we have all of these facilities that have popped up and they've popped up for a reason because people want to be able to be independent.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:01 - 1:53:07)
People want to be able to try and stay in their homes and the senior center has to grow with that.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:08 - 1:53:14)
And what we offer there really allows these people to stay independent,

[Speaker 6] (1:53:15 - 1:53:18)
to stay in their homes, to know that they're not alone.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:18 - 1:53:25)
Some of them, I know that I've just seen some people come maybe not for a program and they just sit there and they talk to people.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:25 - 1:53:29)
And it's a reason to get up in the morning and to get moving.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:29 - 1:53:35)
And this is probably why our seniors are living so much longer.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:35 - 1:53:50)
Okay. So, as it grows in the outside world with all of these facilities popping up, the senior centre needs to grow with it and we can't not in the space and not in the staffing that we have.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:51 - 1:53:52)
Now I'll shut up.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:54 - 1:54:02)
Maybe if you wouldn't mind, we get to the or we could go through the slide, but then quickly go through what the asks are, and then we can

[Speaker 6] (1:54:02 - 1:54:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
You know what it is.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:04 - 1:54:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:04 - 1:54:04)
Yes, it is.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:04 - 1:54:16)
Great. So to come back to the the summary of our asks here um and to use some of Bob's word at the introduction, it's a very measured path forward.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:17 - 1:54:25)
Um the staffing is our biggest pain point at the moment. So we'd like to request endorsement of the suggested staffing plan.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:26 - 1:54:36)
Um the combination of the part-time admins, um to create a full-time FTE as well as um increasing the driver hours.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:37 - 1:54:39)
We would also like um

[Speaker 7] (1:54:40 - 1:55:02)
As noted to uh mention again that the Clark School use uh has begun and we will continue to do that uh but as mentioned we will it'll c create some staffing constraints as well. So um as we increase the use of that school we'd like to be able to come back and talk about increasing staffing to support that as well.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:03 - 1:55:16)
And then lastly, our thoughts on the near term and future to meet the needs of the older agers and the vulnerable agers, the outreach component definitely has to keep pace with demand.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:17 - 1:55:23)
And so we would come back at some future time to talk about how to meet that demand as well.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:26 - 1:55:31)
So to be clear, the request in this presentation is not in the current.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:32 - 1:55:32)
budget.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:33 - 1:55:35)
Now could could I

[Speaker 6] (1:55:35 - 1:55:46)
Let me just say that the that the request is more for you to listen and understand and realize that the future holds that what we really need something in the future. We're not asking for anything today.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:47 - 1:55:49)
You're not asking us to move any numbers around in this budget?

[Speaker 6] (1:55:50 - 1:55:52)
Not unless you want to.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:52 - 1:55:55)
If you really want to, yeah, but but no, no, we were

[Speaker 5] (1:55:55 - 1:55:55)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (1:55:55 - 1:55:55)
not

[Speaker 5] (1:55:55 - 1:55:55)
going to

[Speaker 6] (1:55:55 - 1:55:56)
supposed tell to

[Speaker 5] (1:55:56 - 1:55:56)
you not to.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:56 - 1:55:57)
say we weren't going.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:57 - 1:56:03)
No, we're not gonna say no. In particular, we were asking for time so you could hear it and understand it.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:04 - 1:56:09)
Yeah, I'll speak for myself, but I think I feel confident that this is the whole board.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:09 - 1:56:22)
we want to be able to help but we have to understand what the hierarchy of needs are and it can't be everything because we know the financial constraint that we're in so I think what would be helpful is if we came back with some

[Speaker 5] (1:56:23 - 1:56:45)
statistical record some asks and then some statistics behind those asks so we're asking for a driver because the statistics you already gave that makes sense you know we've gone through big blue bargains and we've gone through the grant cycle and we've had no luck and this is what the request is and that is request number one so like I don't know how to fill your needs you know how to fill your needs so come back and tell me exactly what those needs are

[Speaker 6] (1:56:45 - 1:56:45)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:45 - 1:56:46)
is that what that is

[Speaker 6] (1:56:46 - 1:56:49)
So the staffing thing, the recommended staffing plan is

[Speaker 6] (1:56:49 - 1:56:57)
and is combining two part-time employees, two part-time administrative assistants into one FTE. What

[Speaker 5] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:56:57 - 1:56:57)
that

[Speaker 5] (1:56:57 - 1:56:58)
the outreach director.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:58 - 1:56:58)
that no,

[Speaker 8] (1:56:58 - 1:56:59)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:59 - 1:56:59)
No, that's our that's

[Speaker 5] (1:56:59 - 1:57:00)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
our that's

[Speaker 2] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
our front

[Speaker 6] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
just

[Speaker 2] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
desk

[Speaker 6] (1:57:00 - 1:57:01)
the person

[Speaker 2] (1:57:01 - 1:57:01)
admin.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:01 - 1:57:01)
It's

[Speaker 6] (1:57:01 - 1:57:02)
s front

[Speaker 8] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
converting

[Speaker 6] (1:57:02 - 1:57:02)
desk.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:02 - 1:57:04)
two point fives to a one point oh,

[Speaker 5] (1:57:04 - 1:57:04)
Where

[Speaker 8] (1:57:04 - 1:57:04)
right?

[Speaker 5] (1:57:04 - 1:57:05)
is that in the

[Speaker 9] (1:57:05 - 1:57:12)
Yes, and it's to provide consistency across uh weekly schedule as opposed to splitting it between two individuals.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:12 - 1:57:13)
The negative part about that

[Speaker 5] (1:57:13 - 1:57:13)
Oh,

[Speaker 8] (1:57:13 - 1:57:13)
is then

[Speaker 5] (1:57:13 - 1:57:13)
this one.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:13 - 1:57:14)
we go into benefits

[Speaker 9] (1:57:14 - 1:57:15)
Benefits.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:15 - 1:57:15)
and things like

[Speaker 9] (1:57:15 - 1:57:15)
Exactly.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:15 - 1:57:16)
that and so we're taking

[Speaker 9] (1:57:17 - 1:57:18)
There's an additional

[Speaker 8] (1:57:18 - 1:57:18)
Financially,

[Speaker 9] (1:57:18 - 1:57:18)
item.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:19 - 1:57:19)
And it

[Speaker 8] (1:57:19 - 1:57:20)
I I didn't hear them.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:20 - 1:57:31)
they did highlight that that it's that that there's a benefits cost, a fringe cost it once we do that. But that that was part of the this year when we did talk to Heidi, the idea was level service, as we said.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:31 - 1:57:44)
We went back and forth a little bit about figuring out if we could anticipate grants or do anything in our on the grant side at least when you and I and Patrick were sitting down there was concern number one, would we get them um g or using the formula grant for this when we've relied on the

[Speaker 9] (1:57:44 - 1:57:46)
add in the formula grant for other expenses over time,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:46 - 1:57:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:46 - 1:57:50)
and we didn't want to get in a situation where we were getting one time revenue to cover a real need,

[Speaker 9] (1:57:51 - 1:57:54)
but with no expectation or plan for what we would do in year two.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:54 - 1:57:55)
And I think Heidi

[Speaker 7] (1:57:55 - 1:57:55)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:55 - 1:58:07)
advocated strongly to get to what they're suggesting today. And I think it'll be a discussion with our future um in the future with the C_O_A_ not just the board, but the director and

[Speaker 9] (1:58:08 - 1:58:12)
It just wasn't something when we're looking at level service that we could say yes to this year,

[Speaker 5] (1:58:12 - 1:58:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:12 - 1:58:15)
responsibly, and know that there was a plan to pay for it going forward.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:16 - 1:58:24)
Patrick, do you happen to know what line item they put their chef under? Because there's no chef line item.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:24 - 1:58:28)
It's part-time, the part-time person. It just doesn't say chef.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:32 - 1:58:32)
Part-time staff?

[Speaker 6] (1:58:33 - 1:58:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:33 - 1:58:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:35 - 1:58:35)
What is that?

[Speaker 8] (1:58:36 - 1:58:36)
Fourteen eight.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:36 - 1:58:37)
Fourteen.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:38 - 1:58:42)
And for some reason, your part-time staff is going down.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:43 - 1:58:43)
Went went down.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:45 - 1:58:46)
So let's I'll look at this.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:47 - 1:58:49)
So part-time I I'll just look at it later,

[Speaker 7] (1:58:49 - 1:58:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:50 - 1:58:51)
if you find some numbers.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:56 - 1:58:57)
I mean to to

[Speaker 7] (1:58:57 - 1:58:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:57 - 1:59:04)
underscore that ask of the of the front of that front desk administration um, you know a a full-time

[Speaker 2] (1:59:16 - 1:59:20)
Is there is there an existing staff member from Rec Department over there at any given time?

[Speaker 3] (1:59:21 - 1:59:21)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:21 - 1:59:22)
From what from rec?

[Speaker 2] (1:59:22 - 1:59:23)
From the rec from the Rec Department?

[Speaker 2] (1:59:23 - 1:59:23)
Does

[Speaker 1] (1:59:23 - 1:59:23)
At

[Speaker 2] (1:59:23 - 1:59:23)
it like?

[Speaker 1] (1:59:23 - 1:59:24)
at the senior centre? No.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:25 - 1:59:27)
No, I mean in Clark

[Speaker 3] (1:59:28 - 1:59:28)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:28 - 1:59:31)
specifically, that's what I was um learning too. Sorry, I didn't I wasn't clear on that question.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:31 - 1:59:31)
It's Charlotte

[Speaker 4] (1:59:31 - 1:59:32)
No, the

[Speaker 3] (1:59:32 - 1:59:32)
in a part timer.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:32 - 1:59:42)
uh the staffing at the at the Clark Building, when rec has um programmes, it's not it's not always you that's there. No, it's just

[Speaker 4] (1:59:42 - 1:59:43)
It's a volunteer or tax

[Speaker 1] (1:59:43 - 1:59:44)
Senior work,

[Speaker 4] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
senior

[Speaker 1] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:44 - 1:59:45)
tax write-offs.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:45 - 1:59:49)
They could be a senior staffer or they have the instructor of a class and that,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
like,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:49 - 1:59:50)
Mm, right.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:50 - 1:59:56)
for example, that instructor could potentially be someone that's employed by the town or a third party. Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:56 - 1:59:57)
a third party vendor.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:58 - 2:00:02)
Okay. I was just trying to see if there's any way we could take advantage of

[Speaker 2] (2:00:03 - 2:00:06)
staff that may be already there, if it's only for check-in or or

[Speaker 4] (2:00:06 - 2:00:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:07 - 2:00:07)
any

[Speaker 4] (2:00:07 - 2:00:07)
I type think the

[Speaker 2] (2:00:07 - 2:00:07)
of other.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:07 - 2:00:09)
other problem is

[Speaker 4] (2:00:09 - 2:00:12)
There is a little bit of off-hour usage,

[Speaker 4] (2:00:12 - 2:00:12)
so

[Speaker 5] (2:00:12 - 2:00:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:12 - 2:00:13)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:13 - 2:00:14)
like a lot of Charlotte,

[Speaker 4] (2:00:14 - 2:00:19)
a lot of the rec department's programming is not the same time as your programming.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:19 - 2:00:21)
So the synergy isn't always there.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:21 - 2:00:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:21 - 2:00:22)
So.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:22 - 2:00:22)
Most,

[Speaker 5] (2:00:22 - 2:00:29)
and I know this is more about what we've discussed on our community task force, but most towns

[Speaker 5] (2:00:30 - 2:00:32)
the rec department and the senior center are in the same building,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:32 - 2:00:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:33 - 2:00:53)
so it it's like a light switch goes off around three o'clock. The seniors go home and then the kids show up. I think in this regard of what we've discussed and what we've started doing is there are some times where like during chair volleyball that we have um I think one of our Canasta classes overlaps to there are people in the building, but at the moment we haven't had staffing.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:54 - 2:01:09)
It's not to say that we can't, and most of our staff is senior work-off staff that unlock and lock the doors and essentially they don't actually check people in Wayne, they essentially say, oh you're here for Mahjong, that's upstairs or you're here for yoga,

[Speaker 5] (2:01:09 - 2:01:11)
that's also upstairs.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:13 - 2:01:16)
I will say the staffing at the Senior Center is incredible.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:17 - 2:01:18)
I mean, they're not,

[Speaker 6] (2:01:18 - 2:01:20)
they're really trying to.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:21 - 2:01:37)
to do more than physically possible with what they have and there's also always a risk of burnout from the from the staff so helping them out what helps everybody

[Speaker 7] (2:01:38 - 2:01:42)
So you'd say, Sabrina, your your primary focus would be that admin restructure

[Speaker 7] (2:01:43 - 2:01:46)
that the two administrative assistants,

[Speaker 7] (2:01:46 - 2:01:47)
that's the biggest thing

[Speaker 1] (2:01:47 - 2:01:47)
I I think

[Speaker 7] (2:01:47 - 2:01:48)
or for right now.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:48 - 2:01:49)
if we're talking about.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:50 - 2:01:57)
If we're talking about immediate impact that would make an immediate positive impact in our daily operations, yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:58 - 2:01:59)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:59 - 2:02:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:02 - 2:02:03)
Thank you so much

[Speaker 4] (2:02:03 - 2:02:03)
appreciate

[Speaker 8] (2:02:03 - 2:02:04)
for letting

[Speaker 4] (2:02:04 - 2:02:04)
it

[Speaker 2] (2:02:04 - 2:02:04)
Thank

[Speaker 8] (2:02:04 - 2:02:04)
us

[Speaker 7] (2:02:04 - 2:02:04)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:02:04 - 2:02:04)
you.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:04 - 2:02:04)
all be

[Speaker 7] (2:02:04 - 2:02:04)
thank

[Speaker 8] (2:02:04 - 2:02:08)
here. And we we promised ten minutes and it was a little bit longer.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:08 - 2:02:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:08 - 2:02:08)
Sorry.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:08 - 2:02:12)
well that was partially our fault so we'll take the heat for you because

[Speaker 7] (2:02:12 - 2:02:12)
They might

[Speaker 4] (2:02:12 - 2:02:12)
we were

[Speaker 7] (2:02:12 - 2:02:12)
have

[Speaker 4] (2:02:12 - 2:02:12)
asking

[Speaker 7] (2:02:12 - 2:02:15)
broken the solid waste advisory committee's record.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:15 - 2:02:17)
We'll We'll go back and check that.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:17 - 2:02:23)
But I also want to say huge shout out to Bob Powell because he really pulled all this all of this together.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:23 - 2:02:27)
Yes, thank you Bob for all his hard work and for all your thank you very much

[Speaker 7] (2:02:27 - 2:02:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:28 - 2:02:29)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:30 - 2:02:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:02:30 - 2:02:30)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:30 - 2:02:31)
Great job.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:31 - 2:02:40)
All right, we're moving on to discussion and approval of the town of Psalm Scott's environmentally preferred procurement policy formally by recycle policy.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:41 - 2:02:43)
And we have Nick.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:44 - 2:02:57)
So Jeff has joined us tonight. He got new information from DEPA, I believe, today when that was forwarded. This is to fill you all in on the changes between the previous policy and the current policy.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:57 - 2:03:04)
Today, last when we last met it was in consent. Jeff's here to walk through it and answer any questions that you all may have.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:05 - 2:03:05)
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:05 - 2:03:08)
Was sorry Jeff, was there a red line to this policy?

[Speaker 9] (2:03:08 - 2:03:10)
I did not receive a red line. This is

[Speaker 4] (2:03:10 - 2:03:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:10 - 2:03:10)
the new policy.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:12 - 2:03:14)
Is this the environmentally preferred policy?

[Speaker 7] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14)
Is that what we're

[Speaker 4] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14)
This

[Speaker 7] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14)
talking

[Speaker 4] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14)
is

[Speaker 7] (2:03:14 - 2:03:15)
about?

[Speaker 4] (2:03:15 - 2:03:17)
this is what we're looking at. But I just last time I had asked

[Speaker 7] (2:03:17 - 2:03:17)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (2:03:17 - 2:03:17)
about

[Speaker 7] (2:03:17 - 2:03:18)
I have something different.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:18 - 2:03:19)
Well, this is the

[Speaker 9] (2:03:20 - 2:03:21)
That was what was

[Speaker 8] (2:03:21 - 2:03:22)
But provided that's how this

[Speaker 9] (2:03:22 - 2:03:22)
today.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:22 - 2:03:22)
looks.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:23 - 2:03:23)
Would uh

[Speaker 9] (2:03:23 - 2:03:30)
by D_E_P_ to Jeff, and we wanted to print it out so it could inform the discussion. We did not have it in advance.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:30 - 2:03:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:30 - 2:03:38)
Jeff didn't had not received it from the Department of Environmental Protection. And so he's here to speak to it, walk through it and answer questions that may arise.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:41 - 2:03:42)
Okay. Go ahead, Jeff.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:42 - 2:03:49)
So this is really a regulation issue because it's uh next to the rest of the meeting. They can point Can you the move the microphone over a little bit?

[Speaker 10] (2:03:50 - 2:03:51)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:51 - 2:03:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (2:03:51 - 2:04:15)
Thank you. Uh so this is really grant related. Um we have a grant that we get from the E_P_ each year and um they put certain of course um ones that they want from the town. Um so previously that was the buy recycle policy which really just dealt with um paper, recycle paper and stuff like the content quality um higher. So uh so what's staying the same is

[Speaker 10] (2:04:15 - 2:04:18)
The command to purchasing products and recycled content remains central.

[Speaker 10] (2:04:19 - 2:04:32)
The cost reasonableness principle which is favoring environmentally preferable products when price competitiveness continues. Uh paper reduction strategies such as double-sided printing and electronic communication remain best practices.

[Speaker 10] (2:04:33 - 2:04:36)
Uh collaboration between departments on purchasing orders is still encouraged.

[Speaker 10] (2:04:36 - 2:04:39)
So what the new is in this um policy

[Speaker 10] (2:04:41 - 2:04:45)
The environmental purchasing policy covers all municipal procurement from office supplies,

[Speaker 10] (2:04:46 - 2:04:47)
cleaning products,

[Speaker 10] (2:04:47 - 2:04:47)
vehicles,

[Speaker 10] (2:04:48 - 2:04:48)
furniture,

[Speaker 10] (2:04:49 - 2:04:53)
contracted services. This reflects the full environmental footprint of town operations.

[Speaker 10] (2:04:53 - 2:04:56)
The new policy introduces a formal waste hierarchy.

[Speaker 10] (2:04:57 - 2:04:58)
Before purchasing new products,

[Speaker 10] (2:04:58 - 2:05:02)
departments should consider whether needs can be met through reuse,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:02 - 2:05:02)
repair,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:02 - 2:05:08)
or donation. The state surplus property program is encouraged as a first resort for equipment and furnishing.

[Speaker 10] (2:05:10 - 2:05:14)
The sustainable, excuse me, the environmental purchasing policy should prioritize durable,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:15 - 2:05:16)
long-lasting, reusable,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:17 - 2:05:28)
refillable alternatives explicitly over single-use products; conserving natural resources, including energy and water, is now a named goal.

[Speaker 10] (2:05:28 - 2:05:31)
This affects purchasing decisions for appliances,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:31 - 2:05:31)
vehicles,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:32 - 2:05:32)
lighting,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:32 - 2:05:35)
HVAC equipment and any energy consuming products or services.

[Speaker 10] (2:05:36 - 2:05:47)
Minimizing environmental impacts from pollution, greenhouse gases and hazardous toxic materials is a new explicit goal. This is particularly relevant for cleaning supplies,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:47 - 2:05:47)
pesticides,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:48 - 2:05:48)
paint,

[Speaker 10] (2:05:48 - 2:05:50)
solvents and maintenance materials.

[Speaker 10] (2:05:51 - 2:05:52)
The new policy

[Speaker 10] (2:05:53 - 2:06:08)
directs departments to use the operational services division environmentally preferable products and service guidelines as a standard procurement reference. This provides departments with pre-vetted environmentally screened products and simplifies green purchasing decisions.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:10 - 2:06:15)
The federal comprehensive procurement guidelines, I'll say CPG from now on,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:16 - 2:06:21)
Establishes minimum recycled content standards for a wide range of product categories beyond paper.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:21 - 2:06:26)
Adopting CPG as a procurement standard extends the recycled content requirement across building materials,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:27 - 2:06:27)
landscaping products,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:27 - 2:06:29)
transportation products and more.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:30 - 2:06:32)
So long story short on EPP.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:33 - 2:06:35)
Prioritizes reuse and donation before disposal.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:36 - 2:06:41)
Encourages use of refillable and reusable products. Active goal to conserve energy and water.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:41 - 2:06:47)
Minimize toxin hazardous products in purchasing, and use state surplus property program.

[Speaker 10] (2:06:48 - 2:06:56)
And then final, by expanding the scope beyond products incorporating waste reduction and resource conservation aligning with state and federal guidance,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:57 - 2:07:01)
the empowering employees to act as sustainable sustainability champions,

[Speaker 10] (2:07:01 - 2:07:04)
the town can build a purchasing program that is fiscally responsible,

[Speaker 10] (2:07:04 - 2:07:05)
environmentally sound,

[Speaker 10] (2:07:05 - 2:07:08)
and well positioned for future DEP grant eligibility.

[Speaker 10] (2:07:10 - 2:07:11)
Do you have any questions?

[Speaker 9] (2:07:13 - 2:07:16)
So this would, if adopted, be a policy that as last year with Gino,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:16 - 2:07:18)
I will communicate out.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:18 - 2:07:21)
It will be applied to all procurement,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:21 - 2:07:31)
I'll work directly with Natalie as well as the chief procurement official in town to make sure that this is something we are not only asking folks to do via sort of the memo and department head meeting,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:31 - 2:07:33)
but that we're asking it.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:33 - 2:07:51)
you know, as a actual an actual part of the procurement process when something's coming to Natalie that people have to affirmatively coordinate or confirm to us rather that they are complying as best as possible and can demonstrate that they tried to do these things, whether it's the surplus property or anything else in advance of making a procurement decision.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:52 - 2:07:56)
So w one of the things that came to mind is that

[Speaker 2] (2:07:57 - 2:08:06)
When we demol when there's demolishing happening, whether or not it's private property or government property, i.e. let's say the schools,

[Speaker 9] (2:08:06 - 2:08:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:06 - 2:08:17)
an old school, um historically I've feel that we've been challenged to work with deep the deconstruction efforts that the state has been trying to make. Um

[Speaker 2] (2:08:18 - 2:08:31)
This is anecdotal only. I don't know if we've actually actively done that. I don't know if it's part of planning, if that's ever been discussed. But there is an active, historically there's been an active work group at the state level with multiple communities to find ways,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:31 - 2:08:34)
even at the building material level,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:34 - 2:08:34)
the bricks,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:34 - 2:08:36)
the big beams,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:36 - 2:08:39)
they don't just go to scrap. They actually get resold.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:39 - 2:08:39)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:39 - 2:08:45)
Yeah. So I just wanted to keep that in mind as we're moving forward and we see any potential future demolishing opportunities,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:45 - 2:08:46)
which I...

[Speaker 2] (2:08:46 - 2:08:59)
I we will at some point um and we may even wanna take um a stance and I'm not ready to even have this discussion, but whether or not we um we

[Speaker 1] (2:09:10 - 2:09:14)
Not to make it a mandate, but to make oh just uh awareness, let's say.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:15 - 2:09:20)
Yeah, I I think certainly if we are reselling anything that would lower our cost

[Speaker 1] (2:09:20 - 2:09:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:20 - 2:09:21)
of demolition and um

[Speaker 2] (2:09:22 - 2:09:23)
disposal of material

[Speaker 3] (2:09:23 - 2:09:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:23 - 2:09:28)
so it is completely worthwhile I'm happy to if there's someone that you can connect me with or even

[Speaker 3] (2:09:28 - 2:09:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:29 - 2:09:30)
the agency where that sits,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:30 - 2:09:30)
Well

[Speaker 2] (2:09:30 - 2:09:45)
happy to do that. Um and then from there once we have a better understanding of those opportunities available to us, you know, it's certainly something you could put together as a a memo one page or thing for a sort of Marcy and Rich specifically to have available. Again not that it's a mandate to a private entity

[Speaker 3] (2:09:45 - 2:09:45)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:45 - 2:09:49)
but that here's some information if it's a path you'd like to pursue.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:49 - 2:10:04)
But I think step one is if you could help connect me to the well the right state-level agency, and from there um we can sort of do both as demo opportunities present themselves with us and there will be some, um or on the private entity side we can certainly draft something up.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:05 - 2:10:09)
One other quick comment. Um as we're talking about environmental and

[Speaker 1] (2:10:10 - 2:10:23)
T uh particularly maybe it's not covered here under maybe energy and water. Um I wish Charlotte was here. Um I stopped by Big Blue Bargains uh couple weeks ago and it was like eighty eighty degrees in the building and there was no one upstairs in it.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:23 - 2:10:30)
And I was just trying to wonder maybe you can look into it. Uh just I should have mentioned it before but it just came to mind. And

[Speaker 2] (2:10:30 - 2:10:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:31 - 2:10:34)
I'm trying to figure out, you know, I know the type of heating bill of that place is

[Speaker 1] (2:10:35 - 2:10:35)
Pretty high.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:36 - 2:10:43)
And to be honest, I'm not familiar. I assume there's some BMS that was part of the green communities programme at some point there. Did we never make improvements?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:43 - 2:10:43)
I thought we

[Speaker 2] (2:10:43 - 2:10:44)
Other did. than lighting.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:44 - 2:10:47)
No, I thought we th I thought we changed the steam traps, but that's ou it's ten years ago.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:47 - 2:10:54)
But I can start with Max to see if there's a way just to manage that remotely, but also make sure that Charlotte, Big Blue Bargains, Senior Centre, anyone that's in there,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:54 - 2:10:57)
if they do walk into a situation that is more sauna than

[Speaker 1] (2:10:57 - 2:10:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:57 - 2:11:00)
it should be, that we know and we can make sure that we address it.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:01 - 2:11:01)
Thanks.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:02 - 2:11:10)
Um so I just want to be clear. The policy that existed prior was just regard with regards to paper waste. So everything every other paragraph is in addition.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:12 - 2:11:15)
And then have we vetted this to understand,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:15 - 2:11:18)
so this is just things that go through the procurement process,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:18 - 2:11:24)
but is it a policy that we're asking things that even are outside the procurement process are going to follow these guidelines?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:24 - 2:11:27)
So I don't, what do you mean outside the,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:27 - 2:11:27)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:11:27 - 2:11:27)
anything

[Speaker 4] (2:11:27 - 2:11:27)
don't know.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:27 - 2:11:28)
that What would be

[Speaker 4] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28)
do

[Speaker 2] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28)
purchasing

[Speaker 4] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28)
I mean

[Speaker 2] (2:11:28 - 2:11:28)
out yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:28 - 2:11:29)
outside the

[Speaker 2] (2:11:29 - 2:11:29)
no,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:29 - 2:11:32)
procurement process? What does fall outside the, is there anything that falls outside

[Speaker 2] (2:11:32 - 2:11:32)
there's nothing

[Speaker 4] (2:11:32 - 2:11:33)
the procurement

[Speaker 2] (2:11:33 - 2:11:33)
that

[Speaker 4] (2:11:33 - 2:11:33)
process?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:33 - 2:11:34)
I would think of immediately that would be outside

[Speaker 4] (2:11:34 - 2:11:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:35 - 2:11:36)
the procurement policy because

[Speaker 4] (2:11:36 - 2:11:37)
Everything falls into it.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:37 - 2:11:39)
we're using state or.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:39 - 2:11:41)
uh municipal funds to

[Speaker 4] (2:11:41 - 2:11:41)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:41 - 2:11:41)
purchase.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:41 - 2:11:43)
great. What about the schools?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:44 - 2:11:47)
That's a good que does this apply to the schools as well? Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:47 - 2:11:48)
How do I get

[Speaker 4] (2:11:48 - 2:11:49)
Do the schools know that this applies to them?

[Speaker 5] (2:11:51 - 2:11:52)
up now?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:52 - 2:11:57)
That so the memo went to department heads last year, so I will check with Gino to see if it I if mean, going

[Speaker 4] (2:11:57 - 2:11:59)
only because it's such a large impact.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:00 - 2:12:00)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:00 - 2:12:00)
Is this gonna

[Speaker 4] (2:12:00 - 2:12:00)
Schools

[Speaker 6] (2:12:00 - 2:12:00)
go

[Speaker 2] (2:12:00 - 2:12:01)
There's a bigger consumer.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:01 - 2:12:08)
c yeah, I mean the school is the bigger consumer to us, one hundred percent. So what I would hate to do is pass a policy whether it's

[Speaker 4] (2:12:09 - 2:12:15)
It's having to do with grant funding or state mandated that the schools can't manage.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:15 - 2:12:22)
So I think there really needs to be some collaboration before this comes to us that the schools are understanding of it, understand its impact.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:22 - 2:12:24)
Is there a monetary impact to

[Speaker 7] (2:12:24 - 2:12:24)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:24 - 2:12:24)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:24 - 2:12:25)
this policy? That's my concern.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25)
Of course

[Speaker 7] (2:12:25 - 2:12:26)
What is the monetary?

[Speaker 4] (2:12:26 - 2:12:27)
there's going to be one. So what does that look like?

[Speaker 7] (2:12:27 - 2:12:28)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:28 - 2:12:32)
So not just at town hall, but for the schools, I worry.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:33 - 2:12:36)
That we pass a policy that we don't even understand the impacts of that.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:36 - 2:12:41)
So I I think some of this also applies to the schools in particular uh regarding their food service. And

[Speaker 4] (2:12:41 - 2:12:44)
Yeah, and I mean I think it's much bigger than food service, but yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:44 - 2:12:46)
well it goes the single contain it goes the no

[Speaker 4] (2:12:46 - 2:12:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:46 - 2:12:55)
food service is actually a significant amount of waste. Um so I just wanted to you know keep that in mind that should that probably has to be covered under single use products, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:12:56 - 2:12:58)
Encourage use of refillable

[Speaker 4] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
reusable if products.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
you think about

[Speaker 8] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
like,

[Speaker 8] (2:12:58 - 2:13:00)
outsourced. They don't so

[Speaker 2] (2:13:00 - 2:13:01)
It doesn't matter. It's

[Speaker 8] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
done

[Speaker 2] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
outsourced.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:01 - 2:13:05)
by Chartwells. So is that then passed on to them in their

[Speaker 2] (2:13:05 - 2:13:05)
For

[Speaker 8] (2:13:05 - 2:13:05)
contract

[Speaker 2] (2:13:05 - 2:13:05)
for

[Speaker 8] (2:13:05 - 2:13:06)
or how's

[Speaker 2] (2:13:06 - 2:13:06)
the initial step,

[Speaker 2] (2:13:07 - 2:13:09)
Jeff and I can start with Jason.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:09 - 2:13:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:13:09 - 2:13:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:09 - 2:13:10)
Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:10 - 2:13:17)
Also, I want to discuss some of this hazardous waste material or that what's the impact on DPW.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:18 - 2:13:23)
So there's a significant number of things here that I would think that affect Gino.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:24 - 2:13:28)
and his trucks maybe even the fire department so

[Speaker 9] (2:13:28 - 2:13:29)
It's going to affect everything,

[Speaker 4] (2:13:29 - 2:13:29)
I just

[Speaker 2] (2:13:29 - 2:13:30)
right? Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:30 - 2:13:30)
I just

[Speaker 9] (2:13:30 - 2:13:30)
We're even talking

[Speaker 4] (2:13:30 - 2:13:31)
I understand

[Speaker 9] (2:13:31 - 2:13:31)
paper waste.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:31 - 2:13:42)
we want to tell department heads after we enact it but I just feel like if there's a fiscal liability to the policy that we should know that in advance and I would like to know that before we vote to support it and

[Speaker 2] (2:13:42 - 2:13:43)
Certainly.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:43 - 2:13:46)
do we have the ability not to support it Right. and if we don't support it what's the fiscal impact of that

[Speaker 2] (2:13:47 - 2:13:47)
Yep, certainly.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:49 - 2:13:52)
Jeff, this is a connected recycling dividends program or no? Yes? Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:54 - 2:14:12)
So recycle it. So recycling dividends programme is a MASC EP programme that provides um categories to which you have to check off and even to be eligible for different amounts you have to, at the base level, um pass this policy.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:12 - 2:14:12)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (2:14:12 - 2:14:14)
And I think how much did we get overall last year?

[Speaker 2] (2:14:14 - 2:14:15)
Uh just over five thousand.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:16 - 2:14:16)
How much?

[Speaker 2] (2:14:16 - 2:14:17)
Just over five thousand.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:18 - 2:14:19)
Five thousand dollars.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:19 - 2:14:21)
No, R_D_P_ funds, we got m way more than five thousand.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:22 - 2:14:24)
Last year, not we only get a we only get certain amount every year.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:25 - 2:14:27)
That was more like twelve, thirteen thousand.

[Speaker 8] (2:14:27 - 2:14:27)
Do you know Patrick?

[Speaker 11] (2:14:27 - 2:14:28)
Is there another fund?

[Speaker 10] (2:14:28 - 2:14:29)
Oh that's

[Speaker 1] (2:14:29 - 2:14:30)
R_D_P_

[Speaker 1] (2:14:34 - 2:14:35)
I thought it was higher, okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:14:35 - 2:14:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:36 - 2:14:37)
That's right.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:37 - 2:14:42)
Okay, so if it costs us more than five thousand dollars to implement the policy, we need to think about whether the policy makes sense,

[Speaker 8] (2:14:42 - 2:14:42)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:42 - 2:14:43)
is all I'm saying.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:43 - 2:14:44)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 8] (2:14:44 - 2:14:45)
I agree.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:45 - 2:14:47)
At least you know it's not fifty thousand dollars you get it Yeah, you know

[Speaker 4] (2:14:47 - 2:14:47)
even

[Speaker 1] (2:14:47 - 2:14:47)
you have

[Speaker 4] (2:14:47 - 2:14:47)
like a fifty,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:47 - 2:14:47)
an an

[Speaker 4] (2:14:47 - 2:14:48)
maybe we just talk about b

[Speaker 1] (2:14:48 - 2:14:49)
now at least you understand

[Speaker 4] (2:14:49 - 2:14:50)
supporting

[Speaker 1] (2:14:50 - 2:14:50)
what

[Speaker 4] (2:14:50 - 2:14:52)
the policy. But yeah, but I think I think this

[Speaker 8] (2:14:52 - 2:14:53)
Touches so many different

[Speaker 4] (2:14:53 - 2:14:54)
we need some additional details

[Speaker 8] (2:14:54 - 2:14:54)
places.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:54 - 2:14:55)
and if we

[Speaker 2] (2:14:55 - 2:14:57)
An alternate when we get that could be that we

[Speaker 2] (2:14:58 - 2:15:00)
agree with the sort of framework,

[Speaker 4] (2:15:00 - 2:15:01)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
but

[Speaker 4] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
And we're it's going to

[Speaker 2] (2:15:01 - 2:15:03)
not a policy we're adopting that can then be

[Speaker 10] (2:15:03 - 2:15:04)
punished Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:04 - 2:15:05)
by DEP for

[Speaker 4] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:05 - 2:15:06)
enacting. There's

[Speaker 8] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:06 - 2:15:07)
So yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:15:07 - 2:15:09)
We're going to live by the rules as best we can, but.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:09 - 2:15:11)
I just have a quick question. So

[Speaker 12] (2:15:12 - 2:15:15)
on on the policy that we received in our packet,

[Speaker 12] (2:15:15 - 2:15:22)
town of Swampscott environmentally preferred procurement policy, is that a policy that we have in place right now?

[Speaker 4] (2:15:22 - 2:15:23)
No. So it's the

[Speaker 10] (2:15:23 - 2:15:23)
No, it's really

[Speaker 10] (2:15:23 - 2:15:23)
Uh, we

[Speaker 12] (2:15:23 - 2:15:23)
It's

[Speaker 10] (2:15:23 - 2:15:24)
have a

[Speaker 12] (2:15:24 - 2:15:24)
not

[Speaker 10] (2:15:24 - 2:15:26)
bi-recycle policy that's in place currently.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:26 - 2:15:39)
Okay, by recycle. So a and in what we have right here is we have two things here, but the w the one question that I had is it talks about composting, half ton per week, anything greater than a half ton per week.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:40 - 2:15:49)
And I just w one of things that really stands out is the concern that I have is that are we composting in areas that we could be composting?

[Speaker 12] (2:15:49 - 2:15:51)
And specifically the fire department.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:52 - 2:15:56)
and I would really like to have some type of conversation. I'd like to see you have a conversation

[Speaker 2] (2:15:56 - 2:15:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:56 - 2:16:02)
with the fire chief because my understanding I spoke with um

[Speaker 2] (2:16:02 - 2:16:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (2:16:03 - 2:16:09)
the admin uh Diane Marchese today because someone said they don't compost. I'm like of course they compost.

[Speaker 12] (2:16:09 - 2:16:16)
It makes sense. So I thought well let me double check and according to Diane Marchese nope they don't compost. And some to me that's

[Speaker 12] (2:16:17 - 2:16:23)
That to me is pretty simple. You just, at the end of the day, you take your excess food and you just

[Speaker 12] (2:16:24 - 2:16:44)
go to the police department or go up to the dog park and take the excess and put it into the container. It's it's free to get rid of. I don't I don't understand why why that wouldn't be happening, especially with a rodent issue, and you know, it should be a community value, composting. So I would really like to see that get into place.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:44 - 2:16:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:16:46 - 2:16:52)
And I didn't I didn't know if this was already there at Halftone, I would just say that we do composting everywhere we can.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:52 - 2:17:07)
The solid waste advisory committee for the last almost three years has asked for additional composting uh bins both um somewhere in the neighbourhood around where Town Hall is between Elmwood and Burrill and also one possibly down at the bottom of the middle school.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:07 - 2:17:08)
Um

[Speaker 4] (2:17:08 - 2:17:09)
Maybe the fire department can host an event.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:09 - 2:17:10)
so our

[Speaker 4] (2:17:10 - 2:17:11)
Let's look at

[Speaker 1] (2:17:11 - 2:17:11)
reason

[Speaker 4] (2:17:11 - 2:17:11)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:11 - 2:17:14)
I was bringing that up is that if there is one in the general neighbourhood, perhaps

[Speaker 4] (2:17:14 - 2:17:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:14 - 2:17:17)
the fire department could also participate in using that.

[Speaker 12] (2:17:19 - 2:17:23)
The the only issue around the schools are they did have a rodent issue in there.

[Speaker 12] (2:17:23 - 2:17:24)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:17:24 - 2:17:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
We have And a rodent

[Speaker 12] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
I'm big

[Speaker 12] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
cover.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
conversation

[Speaker 8] (2:17:25 - 2:17:26)
We got a

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
We're talking

[Speaker 8] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
big

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
about

[Speaker 8] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
compost.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
the p

[Speaker 12] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
around

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
question.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:26 - 2:17:27)
They have

[Speaker 12] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:27 - 2:17:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:27 - 2:17:28)
a composting club.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:28 - 2:17:30)
I think well we need to look for the more secure opportunity.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:30 - 2:17:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:31 - 2:17:32)
It's the same

[Speaker 12] (2:17:32 - 2:17:32)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:32 - 2:17:44)
the feedback I've heard, and it's only anecdotal, and it was probably when Diane was still uh working with me daily, was the idea that uh we're worried about putting it at town hall or at the fire station because of the dense residential area.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:44 - 2:17:44)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:44 - 2:17:48)
But it that could be a behaviour thing where we make sure that we're closing it up.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:47 - 2:17:49)
bring it up. We make sure that it's the most secure

[Speaker 1] (2:17:49 - 2:17:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:49 - 2:17:55)
way to do it, you know, that it's not just throw it in and some nights it's left open and all of a sudden in the morning you have a significant problem.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:56 - 2:18:06)
Um so happy to work with both you and and Wayne on that and come back with feedback and you all can give us further direction if the feedback and our plan is not sufficient.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06)
What's

[Speaker 1] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:06 - 2:18:08)
the timeline on having this policy enacted?

[Speaker 10] (2:18:10 - 2:18:11)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:11 - 2:18:12)
Good question.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:12 - 2:18:14)
Year they were looking before July.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:15 - 2:18:15)
Before July.

[Speaker 12] (2:18:15 - 2:18:16)
Would you like to go?

[Speaker 4] (2:18:16 - 2:18:16)
So okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:18:16 - 2:18:17)
Who is

[Speaker 4] (2:18:17 - 2:18:17)
Alright,

[Speaker 12] (2:18:17 - 2:18:17)
it?

[Speaker 2] (2:18:17 - 2:18:17)
Plenty

[Speaker 4] (2:18:17 - 2:18:17)
so I of think

[Speaker 2] (2:18:17 - 2:18:18)
time to get together the information

[Speaker 4] (2:18:18 - 2:18:18)
Yes, great,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:18 - 2:18:19)
for the board

[Speaker 4] (2:18:19 - 2:18:20)
we have meeting. plenty of time. Alright, so then

[Speaker 8] (2:18:20 - 2:18:21)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:21 - 2:18:24)
we will table this discussion till additional information is provided.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:25 - 2:18:26)
Thank you. Thank you Jeff.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:26 - 2:18:27)
Could we also

[Speaker 1] (2:18:27 - 2:18:27)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (2:18:27 - 2:18:32)
shou Nick just get the history of the grant funding we've gotten for the last five years? Yeah, it'll just be a chart of where we've been.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:32 - 2:18:33)
Perfect. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:34 - 2:18:41)
Okay, we have an update from the town's clerk's office following the annual local election.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:42 - 2:18:52)
Um so Aidy is here with us to give a brief update on the effort, the numbers from the election make sure everyone just sort of understands how it went and what went into it. So

[Speaker 13] (2:18:52 - 2:18:54)
Thank you for your yes thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:10)
Most importantly, I'd like to thank all the volunteers and the election workers and the senior workoff people that worked with us and on election day.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:10 - 2:19:12)
These are dedicated workers.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:12 - 2:19:13)
They show up. They're amazing.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:13 - 2:19:15)
They provide great support.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:15 - 2:19:16)
Everybody always says,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:16 - 2:19:17)
what can I do next?

[Speaker 2] (2:19:17 - 2:19:40)
or where do you need me so that that's great having that for the elections we really appreciate that congratulations to all the winners and the candidates that put their hat in the race not only do we need people for turnout we need everybody getting involved and putting their hat in the ring as well so that doesn't go unnoticed the election workers truly make elections work and that was proved during this election it was very successful

[Speaker 2] (2:19:41 - 2:19:50)
The day ran smoothly and operationally as expected and as of this past Friday we have certified and published the results on the town website.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:51 - 2:20:00)
Unofficial results were released on election night around 10.30 p.m. after the polls closed and those numbers came directly from the tapes printed from the tabulators that evening.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:01 - 2:20:12)
And standard practice for most municipalities is unofficial election results do not include the hand counts or the finalized write-ins. It does take a lot of time to get through that stuff.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:13 - 2:20:37)
and this year in moving forward we hire tally clerks to come in at the end of the night so we have two people per precinct so one team per precinct and they sit down and they go through all of those hand counted ballots and then all of the names that are written on the ballots as well the tabulators are not designed to read the names on the ballots they only read the bubble so we have to go through and hand record all of those votes

[Speaker 2] (2:20:38 - 2:20:46)
So since this election included two write-in races and many write-in seats for town meeting members that significantly increased the amount of time required to do the volume of write-in ballots,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:47 - 2:20:53)
our tally clerks recorded every write-in name appearing on the ballots and tallied those votes to determine the final votes for those races in each precinct.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:55 - 2:20:59)
With the final team leaving high school at 9.30 p.m. once they finished,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:59 - 2:21:07)
I got back to town hall and started doing all of the tapes and putting those into the unofficial results and that's what was posted that night was those raw tape results.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:08 - 2:21:22)
The tally process was public and even though nobody stayed we were there and we welcomed people to stay and watch all the tally clerks so up until 930 p.m. myself Mike Bryson the last two tally clerks and the police officer walked out of the building all together we brought everything back to town hall

[Speaker 2] (2:21:23 - 2:21:25)
and to prepare the official results after.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:26 - 2:21:27)
So Wednesday,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:27 - 2:21:27)
Thursday,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:27 - 2:21:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:28 - 2:21:29)
and then Friday morning I published them.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:30 - 2:21:37)
I reviewed the hand counts and tally sheets for the write-ins for all six precincts, verified eligibility of all of those people,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:37 - 2:21:39)
make sure that they are registered in each precinct correctly,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:40 - 2:21:41)
they're actually a registered voter,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:42 - 2:21:50)
and those went into the official results. So we incorporate everything and we get everything right so it goes up once and then once it's a fit.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:50 - 2:21:55)
When it's official, we don't change anything. That gets posted as it is and the voters can have confidence in that.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:55 - 2:22:00)
So that was something that I wanted to go over with a fine-tooth comb before we published it for anybody.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:02 - 2:22:03)
Just going through my notes here, sorry.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:05 - 2:22:14)
I wanted to mention accuracy and transparency remain one of the top priorities for the clerk's office and we wanted to ensure the results reflected a complete and verified count before the certification.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:14 - 2:22:16)
And then we have some numbers for you.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:17 - 2:22:21)
We had eighteen hundred and twenty six voters who casted their ballot.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:22 - 2:22:35)
Out of those three hundred and ninety nine voters were during the designated early voting hours at town hall. So Tuesday the twenty first through Friday the twenty fourth we had three hundred and ninety nine in person early voters at town hall,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:35 - 2:22:43)
which was pretty good. It was a steady flow throughout the day. We were fully staffed for that. Um three early voting workers on shift at each time.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:44 - 2:22:48)
We were fully staffed, we didn't have any gaps and all of our workers really did great during that time as well.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:49 - 2:22:54)
Prior to the early voting hours from the time that we have ballots delivered in our office,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:54 - 2:22:57)
people have the ability to in-person absentee vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:57 - 2:22:58)
So the day that we got ballots,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:59 - 2:23:00)
somebody came in and they said, I wanted to vote.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:00 - 2:23:00)
I said,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:00 - 2:23:01)
oh, we have ballots,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
just wait a second,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
I can go get you one.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:04 - 2:23:07)
And that was up until noon the day before election day.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08)
So.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:08 - 2:23:10)
Even though we had those early voting hours,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:10 - 2:23:16)
you were still able to come into Town Hall if you weren't going to be around on Tuesday to vote in person absentee.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:17 - 2:23:21)
We mailed 99 ballots by mail to voters in Swamp Scott,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:21 - 2:23:22)
a couple out of state,

[Speaker 2] (2:23:22 - 2:23:27)
and out of those 99 we got 72 back to us completed.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:29 - 2:23:54)
Overall, that made a fourteen point six percent turnout, three point one percent being early voting, point five was vote by mail, point two was in-person absentee voting, and ten point eight percent on Election Day. So we did see a very large turnout on Election Day. Even though the fourteen percent is kind of small, we had a pretty steady flow. For some of you who saw when you were there in the precincts, we did have a steady flow of people in there. So that was great to see. We really

[Speaker 2] (2:23:55 - 2:24:01)
didn't have too much downtime in the in the precincts that was good. Overall it was a great day and a smooth election.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:01 - 2:24:04)
Thank you for your time and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:05 - 2:24:06)
Thank you, Candy.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:07 - 2:24:08)
Please go ahead, Wayne.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:08 - 2:24:17)
First of all, thank you for all your work. Um it was uh seemed to be executed flawlessly from what I could tell. Um I have a quick question in terms of the statistics.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:18 - 2:24:23)
What is the breakdown by precinct in terms of participation? Do you have those numbers or could you provide them?

[Speaker 2] (2:24:23 - 2:24:25)
I don't have them on hand, but I kno oh, you

[Speaker 5] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25)
They're

[Speaker 2] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25)
know what?

[Speaker 5] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25)
on the

[Speaker 2] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:24:25 - 2:24:25)
website.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:25 - 2:24:26)
could look them up. They're on the official

[Speaker 6] (2:24:26 - 2:24:27)
They're on the website.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:27 - 2:24:27)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:27 - 2:24:28)
results.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:30 - 2:24:34)
They do go higher in some precincts. Three or four was definitely the highest.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:34 - 2:24:36)
One and two is pretty low.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:36 - 2:24:37)
Oh, is it?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:37 - 2:24:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:37 - 2:24:38)
And then

[Speaker 1] (2:24:38 - 2:24:38)
That was what I was wondering.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:38 - 2:24:42)
what did I miss? Five and six is somewhere in the middle of that in the two hundreds, I believe.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:49 - 2:25:01)
Yeah, it's a it I was really just looking for the the the target area of lowest participation which would be precinct one and two, particularly because of the low count that I think everybody knows for town meeting.

[Speaker 8] (2:25:01 - 2:25:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:02 - 2:25:02)
Yep, so s

[Speaker 1] (2:25:03 - 2:25:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:03 - 2:25:07)
Precinct one, twelve point four nine. Precinct two

[Speaker 2] (2:25:07 - 2:25:19)
Seven point four one, Precinct three, nineteen point three three, Precinct four, eighteen point two one, Precinct five, fifteen point two four, Precinct six, thirteen point nine nine.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:20 - 2:25:22)
Yeah, it's Precinct two. Is the outlier there.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:22 - 2:25:25)
Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Good job.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:26 - 2:25:26)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (2:25:27 - 2:25:31)
I have a couple questions. One is how do the numbers change on

[Speaker 9] (2:25:32 - 2:25:48)
So on the, I noticed on the select board race, the night of the ticket you had numbers, and then when the official number came out, it might have changed by like six or seven, you know, voters in there. So how does that actually happen? If the ticket,

[Speaker 9] (2:25:48 - 2:25:50)
if the tape comes out with a number,

[Speaker 9] (2:25:50 - 2:25:52)
then how does it change later on?

[Speaker 2] (2:25:53 - 2:25:53)
Sure, so

[Speaker 2] (2:25:54 - 2:25:58)
When a ballot can't be read by the tabulator, so say a vote-by-mail ballot,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:58 - 2:26:01)
somebody's at home, they mark big X's on what they want to vote,

[Speaker 9] (2:26:01 - 2:26:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:01 - 2:26:02)
the tabulator can't read that,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:02 - 2:26:06)
so we put it in a secure bin on election day that's called the hand count bin.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:07 - 2:26:12)
That's also for voters that are going quick to work and they get to the machine and it says,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:12 - 2:26:14)
oh we can't read your ballot and the warden says,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:14 - 2:26:17)
oh well you can fill out another one and they say nope I'm late for work,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:17 - 2:26:18)
I just want to go,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
we say alright,

[Speaker 2] (2:26:18 - 2:26:20)
you can put it in the hand count.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:20 - 2:26:34)
So it stays anonymous, but at the end of the night, that's one of the things that the tally clerks do is they hand count those ballots. So they go through, they hand count every race onto a tally sheet and then I get those tally sheets the next day. And then I take those and incorporate those into the full results.

[Speaker 9] (2:26:35 - 2:26:54)
Great. And then the only comment I do have is I thought you, your folks, you and your folks did an amazing job. I just think the clerk's office always does an amazing job. But, you know, this is your first time in Swampscott and you did terrific and I really appreciate everything you did. But I also want to add that historically over the last,

[Speaker 9] (2:26:54 - 2:26:58)
for example, five years at the end of the night, the clerk reads off the tickets.

[Speaker 9] (2:26:59 - 2:27:03)
And I was just wondering if you would consider that in the future only because...

[Speaker 9] (2:27:02 - 2:27:03)
Because you have a night,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:04 - 2:27:05)
there's a lot of anxiety,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:05 - 2:27:13)
you have people who've been working all day, and when things get hung up, especially in a dark area, it's very hard to total and count it,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:13 - 2:27:15)
whereas it's easier if somebody,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:15 - 2:27:20)
you know, whoever it is, just reads off the numbers, especially in contested races,

[Speaker 9] (2:27:20 - 2:27:22)
if you would consider that in the future.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:22 - 2:27:26)
Sure. I think it's something in the future to definitely be considered.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:26 - 2:27:28)
I'm not totally closed off to it specifically.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:29 - 2:27:39)
The election that night and what I see for the next couple elections is the tally clerks that was their first time. So when I was at the front of the room and somebody asked me to read off those results,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:40 - 2:27:42)
my first instinct was I have to shut this place down.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:42 - 2:27:44)
I have to get everything in order.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:44 - 2:27:46)
I have to make sure these tally clerks are good.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:46 - 2:27:51)
And also in the defense of reading the tapes for selected races,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:51 - 2:27:55)
I wouldn't want to read just one race necessarily.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:55 - 2:27:56)
I would like.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:56 - 2:28:15)
like to make it even across the board that's something that I'm very big on is if I'm going to do it I'm going to do it fairly so to read one tape from beginning to end it just would have been very time consuming for the amount of work that I had to do that night like I said definitely not closed off to it maybe I could designate somebody else to do that job but that was

[Speaker 9] (2:28:15 - 2:28:15)
just Just

[Speaker 2] (2:28:15 - 2:28:16)
the reason something I'm to not think doing

[Speaker 9] (2:28:16 - 2:28:16)
about,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:16 - 2:28:16)
it that night

[Speaker 9] (2:28:16 - 2:28:17)
think

[Speaker 2] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
but

[Speaker 9] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
about

[Speaker 2] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
yeah

[Speaker 9] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
in the

[Speaker 2] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
future.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:17 - 2:28:21)
definitely appreciate that and I'm open to it in the future yeah I'll make note of that thank you

[Speaker 2] (2:28:22 - 2:28:24)
And I appreciate your comments thanking me as well.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:24 - 2:28:24)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:25 - 2:28:25)
You

[Speaker 10] (2:28:28 - 2:28:32)
All right, well, appreciate the work you've done. Is it right, Danielle? You good?

[Speaker 9] (2:28:32 - 2:28:33)
I'm good.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:33 - 2:28:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:34 - 2:28:36)
Appreciate that you've made it till 9 o'clock tonight.

[Speaker 9] (2:28:36 - 2:28:37)
Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:37 - 2:28:42)
And all the work the Town's Clerk's Office does. And thank you for coming tonight.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:42 - 2:28:43)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:43 - 2:28:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:44 - 2:28:48)
We will move on to a discussion and vote of the annual town meeting warrant.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:49 - 2:28:49)
It's really the

[Speaker 1] (2:28:49 - 2:28:53)
Really this is a focused discussion on the amendments.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:53 - 2:29:00)
So the idea was there's two amendments that we anticipate and we added this to the agenda on Monday.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:01 - 2:29:04)
I did not get it out to you all via email.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:05 - 2:29:14)
I tried to reach out to folks so that folks would be aware that is 100% my fault. It was posted in time, but I did not communicate it directly out to everyone, so I want to acknowledge that.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:15 - 2:29:35)
Um the idea tonight was with these anticipated amendments, the coloured sheets that we would be seeing on uh town meeting night, we thought that there was a real benefit to having at least the first discussion. You all do not have to make any determination on what you would want to recommend, but we wanted to talk with uh board of selectmen tonight and can come tomorrow about the ones that that we anticipate being there.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:35 - 2:29:43)
And so this was a chance to do that well in advance and not at that five o'clock or six o'clock meeting on a town meeting night here in this room and upstairs with in common but to give

[Speaker 2] (2:29:43 - 2:29:46)
We have a little more time, a little more um

[Speaker 1] (2:29:46 - 2:29:47)
Preview.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:47 - 2:30:05)
preview and an opportunity for for deliberation discussion. So here here in front of us are the ones I'm going to go to a little more detail on each of them. Um so there's two in article three which is the current year appropriation uh we are recommending the use of free cash in order to purchase recycling barrels.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:05 - 2:30:10)
Uh that is a condition of all of the contracts that we are currently uh

[Speaker 2] (2:30:11 - 2:30:35)
you know, engaged in discussions around uh with with every vendor. Um and so it is an opportunity to and I will get into why an opportunity to potentially avoid uh additional costs in the year ahead. The second one is the Finance Committee has already decided that they wanted to put fifty thousand dollars into each the water and sewer enterprise accounts in order to support paving uh and I will go into more detail on both of these uh as well so.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:36 - 2:30:40)
Let me go to the next slide. Here's some more detail on the recycling bins.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:40 - 2:31:04)
So the free cash appropriated this year would allow us to limit potential service costs in the coming fiscal year by purchasing barrel or putting the order forward and starting the 30 to 45 day window for delivery or 45 to 60 depending on who we go with in advance of the end of the fiscal year and not waiting until July 1st. I want to acknowledge that this means the free cash does fall below.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:04 - 2:31:07)
Hello. The financial policies as written,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:07 - 2:31:08)
and as you can see here,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:08 - 2:31:16)
the policy itself is 3 to 5 percent of the budget. In free cash, this appropriation would put us at 2.75 if it were adopted,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:16 - 2:31:20)
which is $193,000 below that lower end.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:21 - 2:31:30)
The idea with this is that we know there's 400,000 in free cash that is coming that will be closing out to free cash because of the article that rescinded.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:32 - 2:31:36)
The appropriation of last spring's meeting back in December.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:36 - 2:31:39)
So this is not one of the times that we're looking at free cash saying,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:39 - 2:31:41)
you know, a hope and a prayer is that it will be there.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:41 - 2:31:45)
We have an identified source that on June 30th we know it closes out,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:45 - 2:31:47)
it will be certified early fall.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:47 - 2:32:01)
So that time that we spend below the threshold of the policy is necessarily limited and we also understand how those funds would be replaced. And I'm going to sort of give the background on both of these unless you would like to stop here.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:01 - 2:32:02)
Up here and ask what yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:02 - 2:32:08)
why don't we I think what might be best in this one is to ask any questions you may have now and then I can move to the second

[Speaker 2] (2:32:09 - 2:32:10)
From here if that works.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:11 - 2:32:13)
This has not been vetted through FinCom yet.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:13 - 2:32:15)
We are talking tomorrow.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:15 - 2:32:18)
I spoke to the chair about it. They have the entire warrant on their

[Speaker 2] (2:32:19 - 2:32:20)
Agenda for discussion.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:20 - 2:32:23)
So this is something we will be speaking to them about tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:23 - 2:32:26)
And if we were not to fund it through free cash, how would this be funded?

[Speaker 2] (2:32:27 - 2:32:29)
The opportunities would be capital

[Speaker 2] (2:32:29 - 2:32:32)
Uh which would require borrowing for something that is, you know

[Speaker 2] (2:32:33 - 2:32:56)
On the back end, we hope it would last ten years probably, um but it's really a seven to ten year window probably. And as an individual expense it's between depending on if we access grant funds, if we get uh adv advantageous pricing from our potential partners, it's somewhere between fifty and sixty five dollars per barrel. So it's, you know, a lot of barrels obviously, but fifty one hundred barrels or fifty one hundred residents.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:56 - 2:32:57)
Residents.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:57 - 2:32:59)
It's um that's the i the idea being that

[Speaker 4] (2:32:59 - 2:32:59)
What's

[Speaker 2] (2:32:59 - 2:33:00)
we

[Speaker 4] (2:33:00 - 2:33:00)
our dollar amount?

[Speaker 1] (2:33:00 - 2:33:02)
Fifty one hundred times

[Speaker 2] (2:33:02 - 2:33:15)
Between fifty and sixty five dollars is the range. And in the discussions with vendors they've everyone has told us how great the pricing is that they can get below comm buys but we're still staying towards that the comm buys price which is in that range.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:15 - 2:33:16)
Sixty five-ish.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:16 - 2:33:17)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:17 - 2:33:18)
On the comp on comm buys, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:20 - 2:33:22)
So it would be borrowing in the end

[Speaker 1] (2:33:22 - 2:33:22)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:33:22 - 2:33:22)
that we would

[Speaker 1] (2:33:22 - 2:33:22)
three

[Speaker 2] (2:33:22 - 2:33:22)
most

[Speaker 1] (2:33:22 - 2:33:25)
hundred thirty one thousand five hundred dollars if you took the high end.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:30 - 2:33:33)
So the other option is also tying it in with whoever the vendor is.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:34 - 2:33:36)
So the vendor it's making a vendor deal,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:37 - 2:33:40)
leasing through the vendor. Capital, free cash.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:42 - 2:33:42)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:33:42 - 2:33:46)
Wait, can you what I'm I don't

[Speaker 2] (2:33:46 - 2:33:48)
You can lease from the

[Speaker 5] (2:33:48 - 2:33:48)
We don't

[Speaker 2] (2:33:48 - 2:33:48)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:33:48 - 2:33:48)
lease.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:48 - 2:33:55)
hauler. So we would be paying the hauler and either lease to own but we are paying a premium because they are

[Speaker 1] (2:33:55 - 2:33:56)
'Cause

[Speaker 2] (2:33:56 - 2:33:58)
Obviously making a little bit on it as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:58 - 2:33:59)
Of course. Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:59 - 2:34:01)
Um they have indicated

[Speaker 2] (2:34:01 - 2:34:07)
each of the conversations we've had have indicated that we could purchase through them because they purchase at scale on a regular basis, that would

[Speaker 1] (2:34:07 - 2:34:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:07 - 2:34:23)
be the advantageous pricing which would be a pass-through. Um and then in some cases the manufacturers of barrels would also rent or rent to own, but again we don't at the end of the day you know depending on how it's structured within the contract and in the proposal, in one proposal that we have reviewed it is a

[Speaker 2] (2:34:23 - 2:34:28)
portion of their proposal that they say if you guys buy it on your own we take that out,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:28 - 2:34:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:28 - 2:34:31)
if it's in there, it's that plus their escalators year

[Speaker 1] (2:34:31 - 2:34:31)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:31 - 2:34:46)
after year. So it from our recommendation, this would be it, but obviously from our recommendation for rank ordering it would be this capital and ideally not do a rent or at least to own um because of the costs that would be added to that process.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:52 - 2:35:03)
So it I think one of the questions that I think is important to discuss is whether or not do we I think the short term first of all being the new guy I don't

[Speaker 1] (2:35:03 - 2:35:04)
You're not new on this topic, so

[Speaker 5] (2:35:04 - 2:35:06)
well no, but on the on the finance side,

[Speaker 2] (2:35:06 - 2:35:06)
I remember.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:06 - 2:35:07)
for Oh,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:07 - 2:35:07)
on

[Speaker 1] (2:35:07 - 2:35:07)
okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:07 - 2:35:10)
the finance side, um I just kind of want to just

[Speaker 5] (2:35:11 - 2:35:20)
th box in what the risks are, right. So on one side, you know, we do we take uh uh we fall a little bit below the free cash flow a couple of months.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:21 - 2:35:21)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:21 - 2:35:27)
So, you know, I'll leave it to our, you know, our finance experts to determine whether or not

[Speaker 5] (2:35:28 - 2:35:34)
that's an issue or risk or if you guys wanna opine on that. The other question is if we did have to

[Speaker 5] (2:35:35 - 2:35:38)
put it through capital, we have the risk of going over the ten percent.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:39 - 2:35:40)
Mark.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:40 - 2:35:40)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:41 - 2:35:44)
That or we pull something else off of capital to put this in.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:45 - 2:35:52)
Then the question is, I don't know how much it would cost in interest to do it that way, right, as opposed to spending all the free cash,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:52 - 2:35:57)
God forbid we have an emergency later on in the year, in the next 12 months, we put ourselves at a disadvantage.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:57 - 2:36:02)
I think maybe you guys want to opine differently in terms of the risk.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:04 - 2:36:08)
Yeah, I guess I mean this is all the this isn't all the free cash This is the free cash that we're aware of today,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:09 - 2:36:09)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:36:09 - 2:36:11)
So I think that's important contextually because

[Speaker 1] (2:36:12 - 2:36:19)
while we won't be getting free cash in at the rate that we had been in the past because of certain line items like health care and

[Speaker 1] (2:36:20 - 2:36:23)
Obviously they've increased so the budget is much leaner.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:23 - 2:36:26)
I would assume that there would be some free cash in

[Speaker 2] (2:36:26 - 2:36:29)
We anticipate that there would be free cash in addition this year we

[Speaker 1] (2:36:29 - 2:36:29)
addition

[Speaker 2] (2:36:29 - 2:36:30)
are not using it

[Speaker 1] (2:36:30 - 2:36:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:31 - 2:36:37)
To balance the current fiscal year, which has been done in the past, we are instead moving between and among lines to make sure that

[Speaker 1] (2:36:37 - 2:36:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:38 - 2:36:40)
the rest of this Article 3 is all funded within the

[Speaker 1] (2:36:40 - 2:36:40)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:40 - 2:36:41)
budget.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:41 - 2:36:46)
It's just moving appropriations from one place to the other rather than adding free cash to last year's budget total.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:46 - 2:36:58)
I would think the third option of leasing through the vendor, I would think our triple bond rating makes us in a better position to borrow through capital.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:58 - 2:37:00)
and it would be to pay the premium

[Speaker 1] (2:37:00 - 2:37:01)
that the vendor is charging.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:01 - 2:37:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:02 - 2:37:03)
Is that fair to say?

[Speaker 7] (2:37:04 - 2:37:06)
Yes, and I think the vendor would certainly

[Speaker 7] (2:37:07 - 2:37:09)
There'd be a markup for

[Speaker 1] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
Yes, so it's

[Speaker 7] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
the price

[Speaker 1] (2:37:09 - 2:37:16)
like they're making a portion and then so to me the vendor option is not even really an option given the situation we're in.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:16 - 2:37:23)
No, I think the vendor option is still an option only because of their buying leverage and their leasing leverage,

[Speaker 6] (2:37:24 - 2:37:25)
and also there might

[Speaker 1] (2:37:25 - 2:37:25)
We're getting

[Speaker 6] (2:37:25 - 2:37:26)
be a

[Speaker 1] (2:37:26 - 2:37:26)
their

[Speaker 6] (2:37:26 - 2:37:26)
vendor

[Speaker 1] (2:37:26 - 2:37:26)
buying leverage.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:26 - 2:37:34)
who wants to work with us. Like it's still a tool. It's still a negotiating tool.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:34 - 2:37:34)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:34 - 2:37:35)
Sure, absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:35 - 2:37:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
We're not.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
We're

[Speaker 6] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:37:36 - 2:37:41)
not taking it off the table, but I'm just saying with the facts that I have available to us, it would just seem like

[Speaker 8] (2:37:41 - 2:37:43)
someone might want your business bad enough that they

[Speaker 6] (2:37:43 - 2:37:51)
That's right. And they're gonna it it to me yeah it's it's still a tool it's it's a serious tool in the toolbox when we're negotiating things out.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:52 - 2:37:52)
So you

[Speaker 8] (2:37:52 - 2:37:53)
So that's the delta,

[Speaker 8] (2:37:53 - 2:37:55)
right? We don't really know where we are

[Speaker 6] (2:37:55 - 2:37:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:55 - 2:37:59)
in the negotiation process because that could still pan out to be more

[Speaker 6] (2:37:59 - 2:37:59)
Exactly.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:59 - 2:38:00)
beneficial.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:00 - 2:38:01)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:01 - 2:38:03)
So what's the I guess the question is what is the ask tonight?

[Speaker 5] (2:38:04 - 2:38:05)
Is it the

[Speaker 2] (2:38:05 - 2:38:07)
It's to socialize this idea.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:07 - 2:38:07)
Okay

[Speaker 2] (2:38:07 - 2:38:09)
You all do not have to opine today.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:09 - 2:38:13)
We anticipate preparing one of the colored sheets for an amendment at town meeting.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:14 - 2:38:24)
for this topic. That was our recommendation. And we would obviously be talking to Finn Common again tomorrow, you could wait for their opinion as well, in any discussion that takes place there. Um

[Speaker 2] (2:38:26 - 2:38:36)
the the I just want to give the feedback and we're going to talk a little bit with article four about sort of where we are in trash as best we can and Wayne and I touched base a little bit on this earlier.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:38 - 2:38:40)
Our goal in looking at the pricing for

[Speaker 2] (2:38:41 - 2:38:44)
The service is to get as low as possible. And

[Speaker 2] (2:38:52 - 2:38:52)
Another

[Speaker 1] (2:38:52 - 2:38:52)
to transportation

[Speaker 2] (2:38:52 - 2:38:53)
piece of paper.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:53 - 2:39:06)
or tipping or ACR on recycling that that is part of why this was our recommendation it is not I just want to give that context that should not necessitate anyone to change their mind but I wanted to understand why

[Speaker 1] (2:39:07 - 2:39:10)
You know, we did this and and why we wanted to at least have the discussion in advance.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:11 - 2:39:17)
So you wanna take that out so you don't have to neg you know, that's not part of your negotiation and you wanna focus on other areas? Is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:18 - 2:39:19)
That's

[Speaker 4] (2:39:19 - 2:39:19)
Was that

[Speaker 1] (2:39:19 - 2:39:19)
one of

[Speaker 4] (2:39:19 - 2:39:19)
your recommendation

[Speaker 1] (2:39:19 - 2:39:20)
that's one

[Speaker 4] (2:39:20 - 2:39:20)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:39:20 - 2:39:20)
opinion.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:20 - 2:39:20)
utilise our I content?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:20 - 2:39:24)
I'm sharing the opinion that led to us coming forward tonight yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:27)
Doesn't mean that anyone has to agree with it, but that's

[Speaker 4] (2:39:27 - 2:39:27)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:39:27 - 2:39:27)
certainly

[Speaker 4] (2:39:27 - 2:39:28)
appreciate it.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:29 - 2:39:39)
What is the definition of free cash? Our percentage of free cash needs to equal three to five percent of what? What was the number on there?

[Speaker 6] (2:39:39 - 2:39:42)
So we track three to five percent of the general fund budget.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:42 - 2:39:46)
General fund budget. Okay, so our general fund budget is going to be increasing,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:46 - 2:39:51)
meaning in order to stay within those parameters of three to five.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:51 - 2:39:55)
Um, that number is gonna get a little bit higher to

[Speaker 1] (2:39:55 - 2:39:55)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:55 - 2:39:55)
stay

[Speaker 1] (2:39:55 - 2:39:55)
it does with every

[Speaker 5] (2:39:55 - 2:39:55)
them.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:55 - 2:39:55)
year.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:55 - 2:40:06)
Right, so my my worry is going below these numbers or even getting close to those numbers because we never know what could happen.

[Speaker 5] (2:40:07 - 2:40:13)
And so that's that's, you know, my only reservations at having to make a decision about this at a later time.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:16 - 2:40:19)
But it would be replenished correct? Is that what you're saying? So we

[Speaker 7] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
More

[Speaker 4] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
would go

[Speaker 7] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
than

[Speaker 4] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
down

[Speaker 7] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
replenished.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:19 - 2:40:25)
to two point seven five and then you you're projecting it would go back up within how much of a swing, how many months?

[Speaker 7] (2:40:25 - 2:40:33)
So the even at the high end of the dollar number is three hundred thirty one thousand five hundred dollars and we know that four hundred thousand is coming to free cash at least.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:34 - 2:40:37)
Four hundred thousand was what was rescinded at town meeting in Right. December. And

[Speaker 1] (2:40:37 - 2:40:41)
And so that is money that as of December we all know that

[Speaker 4] (2:40:41 - 2:40:41)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:41 - 2:40:47)
it closes out on June 30th free cash. The certification of free cash is late summer, really early fall. So I would say

[Speaker 4] (2:40:47 - 2:40:48)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48)
September.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:48 - 2:40:50)
you're talking about a couple months swing. It dips

[Speaker 1] (2:40:50 - 2:40:50)
I below would say three

[Speaker 4] (2:40:50 - 2:40:50)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:50 - 2:40:51)
to five,

[Speaker 4] (2:40:51 - 2:40:51)
So it completely

[Speaker 1] (2:40:51 - 2:40:52)
just to be

[Speaker 4] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
skyrockets.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:52 - 2:40:52)
safe, three to four.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:52 - 2:40:53)
Right. Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:54 - 2:40:56)
And just for context, if it's helpful,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:56 - 2:40:58)
we started this fiscal year with

[Speaker 6] (2:40:59 - 2:41:04)
three point three million in free cash which was four point three percent of the budget roughly.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:04 - 2:41:05)
So we're in the middle.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:05 - 2:41:15)
So we've obviously appropriated over nine nine hundred thousand dollars at this point for the course of the fiscal year which draws down. And that's been the steady trend the past few years.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:16 - 2:41:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:18 - 2:41:19)
And then it'll replenish.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:19 - 2:41:23)
And we also use we also use the free cash at times to offset the tax bill.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:23 - 2:41:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:24 - 2:41:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:41:24 - 2:41:26)
And what we talked about, we weren't gonna do that.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:27 - 2:41:27)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:29 - 2:41:30)
that's what we say every year.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:31 - 2:41:35)
And then we get to it and we have to l you know, we look at it.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:37 - 2:41:44)
So when do we anticipate knowing a little bit more as a result of this trash negotiation? How much further do you think?

[Speaker 4] (2:41:45 - 2:41:46)
What are you anticipating

[Speaker 1] (2:41:46 - 2:41:47)
We timeline are

[Speaker 4] (2:41:47 - 2:41:47)
wise?

[Speaker 1] (2:41:47 - 2:41:51)
having our second or more meeting with everyone.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:52 - 2:41:55)
There are some tomorrow. We had conversations today.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:55 - 2:41:59)
My goal is that we would have a real, strong,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:59 - 2:42:01)
you know, specific price in mind.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:02 - 2:42:09)
We, our goal is to have something, it would be, this is number four, you know, an amendment or article four, there would be an amendment.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:11 - 2:42:14)
to make up the delta between what we're carrying and what the final number is.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:14 - 2:42:15)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:15 - 2:42:17)
For town meetings are a week from Monday.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:17 - 2:42:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:18 - 2:42:20)
Uh we've got refined pricing from

[Speaker 1] (2:42:21 - 2:42:25)
More than one vendor. We have kind of, and I'm trying to be as delicate

[Speaker 4] (2:42:25 - 2:42:26)
As you should.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:26 - 2:42:27)
as possible,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:27 - 2:42:27)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:27 - 2:42:31)
but we've been engaging conversations to understand, to make sure that the proposal they submitted,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:31 - 2:42:48)
our understanding matched theirs to push them on specific items that we thought were high to explore opportunities where we thought, you know, can we do something where it costed to pass through to us so that we are not paying that five or whatever percent escalator is in a year over year.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:48 - 2:42:53)
Uh i increase, you know, so it it is active and ongoing. There

[Speaker 4] (2:42:53 - 2:42:54)
Fluid.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:54 - 2:43:09)
there are meetings this week and there will be meetings at the begin at the en uh beginning of next week. So we're engaged in a uh two of the members of the board have been in just about every discussion that we've had. Uh and then there's been a couple that Gino and I have had as well to try to continue them

[Speaker 1] (2:43:11 - 2:43:15)
sharpening their pencils is the phrase that keeps getting used, but doing everything they can to get the

[Speaker 1] (2:43:16 - 2:43:17)
the actual price down.

[Speaker 4] (2:43:17 - 2:43:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:18 - 2:43:40)
So I just I kept to I guess comments slash questions. Number one, I still don't understand why it would and maybe FinCom can touch on this tomorrow why it would be financially prudent to lease to own because as the value of the barrel is depreciating, the cost to us is increasing because of the escalators every year.

[Speaker 7] (2:43:40 - 2:44:02)
So I don't I don't understand that sort of financial philosophy, but maybe they can talk to that tomorrow night. The second thing I have is if we're not paying for I mean to me and again I'd be happy to be proven wrong through FinCom or otherwise to put it through capital it's going to affect the taxpayer,

[Speaker 7] (2:44:02 - 2:44:03)
correct?

[Speaker 5] (2:44:04 - 2:44:06)
Everything's gonna affect the taxpayer.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:06 - 2:44:08)
But I mean this is already money we have.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:09 - 2:44:10)
So isn't

[Speaker 5] (2:44:10 - 2:44:10)
This is

[Speaker 7] (2:44:10 - 2:44:10)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:44:10 - 2:44:10)
this is

[Speaker 7] (2:44:10 - 2:44:11)
lease affecting

[Speaker 5] (2:44:11 - 2:44:11)
this

[Speaker 1] (2:44:11 - 2:44:12)
It has already affected the

[Speaker 7] (2:44:12 - 2:44:15)
it's already affected the taxpayer? It is not an additional burden.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:15 - 2:44:20)
This is four hundred thousand that'll be sitting in the bank bringing in revenue of three point two five percent

[Speaker 7] (2:44:20 - 2:44:22)
Bringing in uh dep like uh

[Speaker 5] (2:44:22 - 2:44:22)
interest

[Speaker 1] (2:44:22 - 2:44:23)
interests

[Speaker 7] (2:44:23 - 2:44:23)
interest.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:23 - 2:44:26)
interest right every every decision every

[Speaker 7] (2:44:26 - 2:44:27)
But

[Speaker 5] (2:44:27 - 2:44:29)
decision we make affects the taxpayer so one

[Speaker 7] (2:44:29 - 2:44:37)
I know, but I'm saying the interest that we are getting from this, is it gonna offset the interest we're paying in capital?

[Speaker 5] (2:44:38 - 2:44:41)
I would say probably pretty close.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:41 - 2:44:42)
If you're doing a

[Speaker 7] (2:44:42 - 2:44:43)
It

[Speaker 5] (2:44:43 - 2:44:48)
ban right now, bans are going for what, three, four, seven, you're making three two five?

[Speaker 6] (2:44:48 - 2:44:56)
Yep. And if I could just add to something like a trash barrel does not, in the eyes of, you know what we look at for borrowing,

[Speaker 6] (2:44:56 - 2:45:03)
have a long useful life. So we have limitations we drop into with the state, and I would call that departmental equipment,

[Speaker 6] (2:45:03 - 2:45:05)
you know, solid waste operations,

[Speaker 6] (2:45:05 - 2:45:06)
you can probably borrow for five years.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:07 - 2:45:08)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:45:08 - 2:45:08)
So that's

[Speaker 7] (2:45:08 - 2:45:09)
that means you're

[Speaker 1] (2:45:09 - 2:45:09)
So you're pulling,

[Speaker 6] (2:45:09 - 2:45:10)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:10 - 2:45:12)
you know, eighty thousand dollars or So so no different

[Speaker 5] (2:45:12 - 2:45:12)
for the budget.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:12 - 2:45:15)
than which is no different than over a five-year contract,

[Speaker 7] (2:45:15 - 2:45:15)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:15 - 2:45:16)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:16 - 2:45:16)
Right. So it's

[Speaker 1] (2:45:16 - 2:45:17)
just Skip So, the.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:17 - 2:45:21)
just don't see a c I don't see a financial benefit to not spending the free cash.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:22 - 2:45:28)
And if the detriment doesn't wei outweigh sort of a net net conversation where we're taking free cash and

[Speaker 7] (2:45:29 - 2:45:33)
It just seems a little bit like six one six dozen what is it six of

[Speaker 4] (2:45:33 - 2:45:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:45:33 - 2:45:34)
one half and it

[Speaker 8] (2:45:34 - 2:45:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:34 - 2:45:34)
doesn't

[Speaker 7] (2:45:34 - 2:45:34)
of the other.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:34 - 2:45:34)
part

[Speaker 4] (2:45:34 - 2:45:35)
matter.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:35 - 2:45:39)
part of it is in the I'm feeling I'm echoing part of it is a negotiation strategy.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:39 - 2:45:39)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:39 - 2:45:41)
So I want to just keep that in mind

[Speaker 7] (2:45:41 - 2:45:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:41 - 2:45:43)
that we have that as a tool.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:43 - 2:45:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:43 - 2:45:47)
Okay. But understanding the preference one way or the other I think is

[Speaker 5] (2:45:48 - 2:45:49)
Yeah, they're all They're

[Speaker 8] (2:45:49 - 2:45:50)
Just just talk

[Speaker 5] (2:45:50 - 2:45:50)
they're all

[Speaker 8] (2:45:50 - 2:45:50)
through

[Speaker 5] (2:45:50 - 2:45:51)
good fact they're they're

[Speaker 8] (2:45:51 - 2:45:51)
Yeah

[Speaker 5] (2:45:51 - 2:46:07)
those are all good factors and good topics so as a rule of thumb you often look at cash is king when you want to protect your cash the best you can so if you feel that okay we have this cash and we can spend it

[Speaker 5] (2:46:08 - 2:46:25)
That's one thing. If you say, okay, we've got this cash, I'm going to hold on to this cash as long as I can to increase my financial policy or to make sure that, you know, we are leveraging out the vendor in different ways. You just want to look at everything in different components.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:26 - 2:46:28)
But where I come from is

[Speaker 5] (2:46:29 - 2:46:37)
Cash is king and you want to you want to protect your cash and if you have a better position of leveraging out a purchase use that position.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:38 - 2:46:45)
But I think these are these are all important factors and we just have to wait until we're done negotiating and pull the plug.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:46 - 2:46:50)
Patrick, did you have a professional opinion at all that you wanted to maybe offer up?

[Speaker 6] (2:46:52 - 2:46:55)
I think in terms of considering free cash,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:55 - 2:46:56)
free cash is...

[Speaker 6] (2:46:58 - 2:47:09)
best practice used for one time purchases. This would be like a one time, okay, we're deploying all these barrels at once to all these households, similar to what was done you know with trash barrels

[Speaker 7] (2:47:09 - 2:47:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:09 - 2:47:14)
years ago. And um so that that's certainly a option to consider.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:15 - 2:47:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:15 - 2:47:16)
I would just

[Speaker 7] (2:47:16 - 2:47:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:16 - 2:47:17)
put that out there.

[Speaker 5] (2:47:18 - 2:47:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:20 - 2:47:23)
Is it is it considered Okay, so we have a major

[Speaker 8] (2:47:24 - 2:47:39)
You have major expenses in I'm I'm not trying to flood the conversation, but we have, you know, millions that we're paying over the next six years, right, into the um

[Speaker 8] (2:47:40 - 2:47:44)
the uh the um pension fund,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:44 - 2:47:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:44 - 2:47:46)
right? If we were to

[Speaker 8] (2:47:48 - 2:47:50)
stretch this burden across five years,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:51 - 2:47:55)
Does that impact anything at all in terms of instead

[Speaker 7] (2:47:55 - 2:47:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:55 - 2:47:57)
of paying it all in upfront,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:57 - 2:47:57)
I'm But

[Speaker 8] (2:47:57 - 2:47:57)
saying?

[Speaker 1] (2:47:57 - 2:47:59)
that service, does it impact anything? Is that what you're

[Speaker 8] (2:47:59 - 2:47:59)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:47:59 - 2:47:59)
asking?

[Speaker 8] (2:47:59 - 2:48:00)
just in terms

[Speaker 1] (2:48:00 - 2:48:00)
of You

[Speaker 8] (2:48:00 - 2:48:00)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:48:00 - 2:48:00)
were to borrow.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:00 - 2:48:09)
general future budget looking over the next five years, does it make sense to stretch this over a five year capital if

[Speaker 7] (2:48:11 - 2:48:11)
Is

[Speaker 8] (2:48:11 - 2:48:11)
it's there bonded

[Speaker 7] (2:48:11 - 2:48:11)
a benefit?

[Speaker 8] (2:48:11 - 2:48:12)
or I grouped?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:12 - 2:48:12)
mean, I

[Speaker 8] (2:48:12 - 2:48:13)
I'm just asking, you know, as

[Speaker 1] (2:48:13 - 2:48:14)
think

[Speaker 8] (2:48:14 - 2:48:14)
an open

[Speaker 1] (2:48:14 - 2:48:14)
there's

[Speaker 8] (2:48:14 - 2:48:14)
question.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:14 - 2:48:16)
a benefit to what.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:16 - 2:48:27)
um Mary Ellen's been saying in terms of making sure we have as much cast as cash as possible on hand. Like when you look at paying for the debt over five years, that is money that's coming out of operating.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:27 - 2:48:32)
And like we're paying it's g it's part of the balance of everything that's gonna be

[Speaker 7] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:32 - 2:48:34)
paid. You just And gotta start debt burden in service.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:34 - 2:48:35)
debt burden, right. So

[Speaker 8] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:35 - 2:48:39)
like and there's a million levers there with projects that move forward, don't move forward.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:40 - 2:48:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:40 - 2:48:51)
come in less than, we don't borrow as much as we had authorised, you know, that great. But just very simply the debt service is paid as part of the levy out, you know, it's like we're all cutting that same pie for operating.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:54 - 2:48:55)
Do you need us? Do you need a vote from us

[Speaker 2] (2:48:55 - 2:48:55)
to No.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:55 - 2:48:56)
night?

[Speaker 4] (2:48:56 - 2:48:56)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:56 - 2:48:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:57 - 2:49:02)
And that's I this is something that I think this brief discussion certainly shown, I'm sure there'll be more discussion tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:03 - 2:49:06)
I think it's worth socializing in advance

[Speaker 5] (2:49:06 - 2:49:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:06 - 2:49:10)
so that it is again, the g idea that something would be coming to you all.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:11 - 2:49:14)
That night without any discussion at all like this is

[Speaker 3] (2:49:14 - 2:49:15)
Yeah, no, this was helpful.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:15 - 2:49:16)
but

[Speaker 6] (2:49:16 - 2:49:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:49:16 - 2:49:17)
Same.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:17 - 2:49:20)
opportunities to improve on our side communicating both of these. Um the other

[Speaker 6] (2:49:20 - 2:49:21)
The evening?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:21 - 2:49:23)
can I go to Yes, this one?

[Speaker 6] (2:49:23 - 2:49:23)
please.

[Speaker 8] (2:49:23 - 2:49:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:23 - 2:49:40)
Okay. So this was one that FinCom already opined on. Um there's a discussion that they had about some of the cuts that Gino provided when we asked him to sharpen his pencil, and we were do going through the budget process. Um as I think Gino has done a million ways in uh support of the s

[Speaker 1] (2:49:39 - 2:49:53)
to this community over years, he looked at his budget and said, you know, sort of the break-fix paving, the work that's done when there's a water main or a sewer issue that we emergency cut it open and then go back and fix it after the go back and fix the roadway after the fact,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:53 - 2:50:05)
he said he could reduce that number and he will find a way to do it. And, you know, with a lot of discussion and certainly a a a huge shout out to Liz Smith who looked at this specifically,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:05 - 2:50:06)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:06 - 2:50:13)
This is money that is important for Geno to have, and so in the course of discussion they wanted to put in,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:13 - 2:50:34)
it's fifty thousand both for water and sewer, and it's that break fix paving. His goal, you know, repeated again today when I talked to him is to not have to spend it all if he doesn't have to, um in which case it closes out to free cash, um but this is an opportunity that um they highlighted as a need and you know I wanted you all to be aware of it because this will also be uh an amendment.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:34 - 2:50:54)
amendment for that night on one of the coloured sheets. This is in article four, which is next year's uh it's the budget that we're operate that we're voting on for operations. The one that we talked about four is article three, so that we can do that if we decide to move forward with the purchase before July first of the barrels. Um this is also another one where we could

[Speaker 1] (2:50:54 - 2:51:05)
We we should expect to see and this is Wayne where you want to jump in anywhere We are actively engaged in negotiations. We are carrying a number in our budget that we've discussed here several times

[Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:12)
We do not know exactly what the final number will be don't know if it'll be that a little bit higher or what?

[Speaker 1] (2:51:13 - 2:51:21)
But we are working with all of the interested parties that have responded Everyone is still engaged and we're asking we're at the point of basically asking for best and final pricing

[Speaker 1] (2:51:21 - 2:51:36)
seeing uh with each of them we think we've gotten to a real good level of understanding uh on the one that we did the deep dive interject uh deep dive meetings with so far and then we have another one tomorrow with one of the uh respondents. So we anticipate a similar discussion that

[Speaker 1] (2:51:37 - 2:51:45)
Really helps us under understand all the nuances that they had we can ask very direct questions and very nuanced questions to get a full understanding of what each offering is

[Speaker 9] (2:51:45 - 2:51:56)
Just to kind of remember there's the multiple parts of this contract and each part of the contract is bid a little bit differently so when you're comparing all the numbers it's not just like you're looking at one

[Speaker 9] (2:51:57 - 2:51:58)
bottom

[Speaker 10] (2:51:58 - 2:51:58)
So

[Speaker 9] (2:51:58 - 2:51:58)
line

[Speaker 10] (2:51:58 - 2:51:58)
the

[Speaker 9] (2:51:58 - 2:51:58)
number.

[Speaker 10] (2:51:58 - 2:51:58)
price, it's

[Speaker 9] (2:51:58 - 2:52:02)
It's not well it ends up eventually that it is

[Speaker 10] (2:52:02 - 2:52:02)
services

[Speaker 9] (2:52:02 - 2:52:02)
once you sort

[Speaker 10] (2:52:02 - 2:52:03)
are

[Speaker 9] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03)
it

[Speaker 10] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03)
but

[Speaker 9] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03)
out.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:03 - 2:52:04)
not the way you bid them.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:04 - 2:52:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:05 - 2:52:23)
Yes. So while it's transparent to the resident there's the hauling charge for recycling, the hauling charge for waste, there's the tipping fee for waste, there's the tipping fee for recycling, then there's the part that you wanna be able to get back if the recycling has value to it.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:23 - 2:52:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:23 - 2:52:27)
Right. There's contamination questions and

[Speaker 3] (2:52:27 - 2:52:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:28 - 2:52:29)
all of that,

[Speaker 9] (2:52:29 - 2:52:33)
all of these pieces are in play.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:33 - 2:52:39)
So that's why it's kind of difficult to say, just give us the bottom number because it's just.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:39 - 2:52:44)
That's how complicated these contracts have become over the last 10 years.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:44 - 2:52:55)
And the parts of it too are that this contract is going to be different than our last contract as far as we did not participate in a program where we received money back for our recycling.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:56 - 2:52:56)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:56 - 2:53:06)
And that is one of our options now that, you know, it's just an option that we're looking at right now as far as what benefit that'll be to the community.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:09 - 2:53:25)
So those are the ones that you can anticipate. Those are the items that I just wanted to make sure that there was at least a brief discussion on. I'm happy to answer any questions throughout the process if you all want to reach out to me, but also Mary Ellen and Wayne on the trash stuff have all been very actively involved throughout the process too.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:25 - 2:53:35)
I think it would probably be a really good idea if the three of you did have a conversation with Nick just so that you're really updated and you have opinion, you can put your opinion in there.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:35 - 2:53:36)
I have.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:36 - 2:53:37)
Oh good.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:37 - 2:53:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:38 - 2:53:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:38 - 2:53:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:39 - 2:53:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:53:40 - 2:53:44)
Thank you. So move on to the discussion on the North Shore IT collaborative.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:44 - 2:53:46)
I just wanted to give a brief update where we are.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:46 - 2:53:47)
We have time.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:47 - 2:53:53)
Uh we've talked several times about this. This was explored before I even started the idea of looking at this as our alternative. So

[Speaker 1] (2:53:54 - 2:53:56)
um we have pricing.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:56 - 2:54:07)
We're at the stage of discussion discussing what the inter-municipal agreement would look like which would ultimately obviously come to you all as well. It's a standard agreement that they have with each of their eight communities. The way it works is we're basically applying to be a member.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:07 - 2:54:10)
When in talking to the folks in Danvers,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:10 - 2:54:14)
there has not been anyone who has not been welcome when they've expressed an interest.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:14 - 2:54:20)
So we've certainly been moving forward with the understanding that we will, you know, ultimately get to that point.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:21 - 2:54:24)
The annual payment to the collaborative is part of that.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:24 - 2:54:29)
So there's a sort of membership payment that provides us with strategic support that we do not have now.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:29 - 2:54:32)
Right now we just have the managed service provider,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:32 - 2:54:34)
which is our current vendor.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:34 - 2:54:56)
something breaks they fix it. There's not a lot of you know future proofing or planning um and part of what the collaborative does in because of the the process and the team that's been built up in Denver is to think about municipal government and how uh technology can be better leveraged. They've been working on everything from A_I_ agents to making sure that we're getting the best pricing possible for managed service provid providers.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:56 - 2:55:00)
Um the support the I_T_ support day to day is with a firm that they mi

[Speaker 1] (2:55:00 - 2:55:22)
They ma they negotiate with a scale that we could not get with our 125 employees on our own. That allows us to have a much better price. They have three tiers uh within their service options. We are likely to start at the top tier just to get them on-boarded, get us on-boarded, make sure things are working, but we can switch throughout the year. If we anticipate or see a need or if a need develops,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:22 - 2:55:24)
we can go from being fir you know first,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:25 - 2:55:29)
second or third tier. Um but certainly as we get through the on-boarding there will be a time

[Speaker 1] (2:55:29 - 2:55:57)
the time that we have, you know, more time on on site and and more regular access to them. There's also a one-time hardware upgrade for fire the firewall which is a one-time payment every five years. It's to make sure from their end that everyone has the same technology and hardware so that working with primarily the team that's based out of Danvers but also with our managed service provider it is consistent across the board for them, both their access and and our protection. It is also exceeding the standards that are required by our insurance for liability.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:57 - 2:56:24)
ability and that's part of their sort of ongoing goal is as they see those needs as they see things that are coming up in liability insurance they are addressing them in advance so that we're not getting a message from either our insurer or from our managed service provider saying hey there's an expense coming up because you need to worry about x that's part of what the collaborative looks to do on our behalf so that is like a very high level update of where we are as I said you know we have budgeted for and anticipate them being on board.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:24 - 2:56:29)
or beginning of the fiscal year, it will be a reduction in our managed service provider expense.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:30 - 2:56:38)
And I think we could anticipate going forward, and I've actually had a couple of residents reach out directly to look at on the town hall side,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:38 - 2:56:39)
the town operation side,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:39 - 2:56:45)
making sure that in future years we do come to FINCOM and to you all with infrastructure needs in advance because,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:45 - 2:56:49)
you know, right now there are a lot of old machines,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:49 - 2:56:53)
old laptops and even on the server side things that may require replacement.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:53 - 2:57:00)
but when we've talked to our current provider about it, we said you know what can be cloud-based now, what needs to stay on premises.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:00 - 2:57:17)
There's not a lot of that sort of higher level strategic thinking and that will be part of that future discussion to say can we get onto a cycle that you know every five years even we're looking at replacement of hardware and then also what can we move from on premises to the cloud uh appropriately and with a cost savings.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:18 - 2:57:19)
So those are things that we anticipate.

[Speaker 9] (2:57:20 - 2:57:22)
Does any of this cover the website?

[Speaker 1] (2:57:23 - 2:57:26)
The website is civics-plus and it is operated by

[Speaker 9] (2:57:26 - 2:57:26)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:26 - 2:57:27)
town hall staff.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:28 - 2:57:29)
Separate.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:29 - 2:57:29)
And

[Speaker 13] (2:57:29 - 2:57:30)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:57:30 - 2:57:30)
so

[Speaker 13] (2:57:30 - 2:57:30)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:57:30 - 2:57:51)
the website itself was I think two or three generations behind when I started. They had already engaged with Civics Plus to get up to the most up to date version. One of the things that we want to do and I've talked about this here, Wayne previously, is to get people on the notification side, certainly we would keep on solve as our sort of reverse 9-1-1 until the end of that contract and look at that more holistically.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:52 - 2:57:52)
But

[Speaker 9] (2:57:52 - 2:57:52)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:52 - 2:57:55)
email notifications, notifications around agendas or meetings or

[Speaker 1] (2:57:55 - 2:57:57)
Things are things that are changing on the calendar.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:57 - 2:58:08)
This new version of the Civics Plus website allows someone to go in and say I want to get notifications when everything happens, I wanna get it just for the planning board, like every time this new agenda you would get an email.

[Speaker 12] (2:58:09 - 2:58:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:09 - 2:58:12)
Or I wanna get everything that happens on the calendar or something like that.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:12 - 2:58:14)
I think we had that before, as if

[Speaker 1] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:58:14 - 2:58:15)
I remember correctly.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:15 - 2:58:16)
do not think that it was

[Speaker 9] (2:58:16 - 2:58:17)
Maybe not functioning?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:17 - 2:58:20)
used or functioning and it's one of our goals going forward.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:20 - 2:58:22)
So when we have this is

[Speaker 9] (2:58:22 - 2:58:26)
I mean, I see this all the time, the community's seeing this, I get feedback, my, you

[Speaker 1] (2:58:26 - 2:58:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:26 - 2:58:29)
know, about the fact when you obviously Google something,

[Speaker 9] (2:58:29 - 2:58:30)
all of the links changed,

[Speaker 9] (2:58:30 - 2:58:31)
this is common,

[Speaker 9] (2:58:31 - 2:58:33)
I think everybody's aware of this. The question is.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:32 - 2:58:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:32 - 2:58:37)
The question is, is is this something we're dealing with on our own?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:37 - 2:58:40)
We have requested support from Civics Plus to,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:40 - 2:58:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:40 - 2:58:45)
to ad request that the site is recrawl, recrawled by Google.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:45 - 2:58:45)
That was

[Speaker 2] (2:58:45 - 2:58:45)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:58:45 - 2:58:46)
where

[Speaker 2] (2:58:46 - 2:58:46)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:58:46 - 2:58:46)
I was gonna ask.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:46 - 2:58:53)
the difference is is not that the information is not there, it's you get the broken link then you have to search on the town website search.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:53 - 2:58:54)
Yes. Yes. That's

[Speaker 2] (2:58:54 - 2:58:55)
Whereas

[Speaker 1] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
what I tell people as well.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:55 - 2:58:57)
the old link used to be, you know,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:58 - 2:59:03)
sponsego.madeo.gov slash node slash select board now it's slash select board like there's

[Speaker 1] (2:59:03 - 2:59:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:04 - 2:59:08)
a significant but not big change that's happened it's

[Speaker 1] (2:59:08 - 2:59:11)
Google needs to do its intentional recrawling and

[Speaker 2] (2:59:11 - 2:59:12)
crawl of

[Speaker 1] (2:59:12 - 2:59:12)
figure out

[Speaker 2] (2:59:12 - 2:59:12)
our thing

[Speaker 1] (2:59:12 - 2:59:12)
how

[Speaker 2] (2:59:12 - 2:59:13)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:59:13 - 2:59:13)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:59:13 - 2:59:13)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:59:13 - 2:59:13)
connect

[Speaker 2] (2:59:13 - 2:59:13)
it it

[Speaker 1] (2:59:13 - 2:59:14)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:14 - 2:59:18)
connects the search with the end result instead of the search with the previous end result

[Speaker 1] (2:59:18 - 2:59:20)
Do you have an idea of how much longer that will take?

[Speaker 2] (2:59:21 - 2:59:33)
If someone was to ask me when will this be resolved, is this weeks I'm happy or months to continue to tell you here that each meeting they even the going live was a not

[Speaker 3] (2:59:33 - 2:59:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:34 - 2:59:35)
swift process.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:36 - 2:59:37)
We have

[Speaker 4] (2:59:37 - 2:59:41)
Is it the civics class problem or is this a Google problem? Like if we have a contact at Google, do you want it?

[Speaker 2] (2:59:41 - 2:59:45)
It it's a change that needs to happen on the

[Speaker 2] (2:59:46 - 2:59:47)
The civic's plus side. It

[Speaker 4] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
What

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
needs

[Speaker 4] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
you spend

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:48)
to be requested

[Speaker 4] (2:59:48 - 2:59:48)
on it.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:48 - 2:59:57)
and there also needs to be an addition to there's like two spots on the page where language needs to be added into one of the links that when we've tried to do it, we have not been able to do it.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:02 - 3:00:02)
Any

[Speaker 4] (3:00:02 - 3:00:02)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:02 - 3:00:04)
I_T_ related que as I said, I think

[Speaker 4] (3:00:04 - 3:00:04)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:04 - 3:00:05)
and I no at go

[Speaker 4] (3:00:05 - 3:00:05)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:00:05 - 3:00:05)
ahead.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:05 - 3:00:17)
you and I have discussed the collaborative. My question to you is always first, can we regionalise, where can we have cost savings, can we have better services? And this is an instance where we've actually been able to to It meet.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:17 - 3:00:18)
appears all of those It are true.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:18 - 3:00:18)
appears

[Speaker 5] (3:00:18 - 3:00:18)
Oh

[Speaker 4] (3:00:18 - 3:00:28)
all of those things are true. So this is like a little bit of a unicorn situation and I don't want to lose the ability to be able to go forth and execute on it.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:28 - 3:00:33)
on it we will actually be getting better services because we will be getting services that look for our forward-facing

[Speaker 2] (3:00:33 - 3:00:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:33 - 3:00:45)
they're not just present-day fix it break it breaks we fix it is looking forward how we continue IT services at town hall which

[Speaker 4] (3:00:46 - 3:00:58)
are future f forward looking in the sense that we are able to say like okay we we'd like to be able to do this and now we have somewhere to go to to direct us to how to facilitate that, what the pricing looks like, whether or not it's

[Speaker 6] (3:00:58 - 3:00:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:58 - 3:01:10)
feasible or not, what other towns are doing it in the collaboratives um what is the feedback from those towns. And so it this opens a door that we ha haven't had before and I appreciate that this is available to us and excited to see it come to fruition.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:11 - 3:01:13)
And the other piece that we'll be able to further implement is we had

[Speaker 2] (3:01:13 - 3:01:16)
We had the sort of EOTs, which is the state

[Speaker 7] (3:01:16 - 3:01:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:16 - 3:01:34)
I_T_ they do work with municipal and school I_T_ departments. They did their security audit, which we had requested early on. Uh this calendar year they listed a bunch of things and some of it is like, you know, active directory hasn't been cleaned up over time. So it's people are leaving, they're shutting off access, but we're not removing the profile.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:34 - 3:01:35)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:35 - 3:01:36)
So the profile exists as a risk

[Speaker 4] (3:01:37 - 3:01:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:37 - 3:01:40)
because it's still another one to try to get into.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:40 - 3:01:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:40 - 3:01:56)
Um so there was that stuff there was some hardware stuff on site, you know, the server room. And so I I have talked to Haiku about that. They're sort of chipping away at some of those things. But in talking to Colby and the folks at the collaborative they were excited because that's one of the first things they have to they ask each community to do. It's a free service.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:57 - 3:01:58)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:58 - 3:02:05)
We'll provide to us, and then we have a road map to work with the new managed service provider to make sure we're addressing individual risks,

[Speaker 4] (3:02:06 - 3:02:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:06 - 3:02:07)
What what does the yacht stand for?

[Speaker 2] (3:02:07 - 3:02:10)
excuse me, yachts it's like the executive office of

[Speaker 8] (3:02:10 - 3:02:10)
Technology.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:10 - 3:02:11)
i Technology and Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:11 - 3:02:12)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:12 - 3:02:12)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:02:12 - 3:02:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:12 - 3:02:13)
it's E_O_T_T_S_ though,

[Speaker 8] (3:02:13 - 3:02:13)
Technology

[Speaker 2] (3:02:13 - 3:02:14)
for two S_s.

[Speaker 8] (3:02:14 - 3:02:17)
a technology and security services.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:17 - 3:02:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:02:17 - 3:02:19)
There we go. I knew it was in there somewhere.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:19 - 3:02:19)
Not a new

[Speaker 2] (3:02:19 - 3:02:19)
And

[Speaker 4] (3:02:19 - 3:02:19)
yacht.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:19 - 3:02:25)
so it's it's basically the state I_T_ that was consolidated under Governor Baker, but this is a service they offer to municipal and um

[Speaker 2] (3:02:26 - 3:02:28)
Also to school I.T. departments.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:29 - 3:02:31)
So when does this? Do we

[Speaker 2] (3:02:31 - 3:02:31)
Actively

[Speaker 9] (3:02:31 - 3:02:32)
need to vote

[Speaker 2] (3:02:32 - 3:02:38)
engage. There is not a vote. I wanted especially the new members to know and to say where we are. We've been we have been talking

[Speaker 9] (3:02:38 - 3:02:38)
Are we

[Speaker 2] (3:02:38 - 3:02:38)
about

[Speaker 9] (3:02:38 - 3:02:38)
going

[Speaker 2] (3:02:38 - 3:02:39)
this

[Speaker 9] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39)
around

[Speaker 2] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39)
for a while,

[Speaker 9] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39)
the Google?

[Speaker 2] (3:02:39 - 3:02:49)
but we've been talking to Colby and certainly since Shannon came it's been really useful because we've been running down individual questions and use cases and Dan Burr's not only from her experience, but from her contacts. So it's been really helpful.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:50 - 3:02:50)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:50 - 3:02:52)
So this will go before the collaborative, the collaborative.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:52 - 3:02:56)
we hopefully will not be their first rejection, and then we will vote to

[Speaker 2] (3:02:56 - 3:02:56)
It's

[Speaker 4] (3:02:56 - 3:02:57)
see what we can do.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:57 - 3:02:59)
an end user license agreement, so I would bring that back before you

[Speaker 4] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
all.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:02:59 - 3:03:05)
Okay, great. So we did do we did do business with them in twenty twenty four and they were really

[Speaker 4] (3:03:05 - 3:03:06)
On good terms.

[Speaker 9] (3:03:06 - 3:03:13)
we well they were great they were just really amazing and yes we did leave on good terms and they could have they really could have

[Speaker 9] (3:03:13 - 3:03:21)
the vendor that they put in touch with could have really taken advantage of us financially, and they I was shocked and amazed at how great they were with us.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:21 - 3:03:22)
Fantastic.

[Speaker 9] (3:03:22 - 3:03:30)
So but I do have a question. Do do other municipalities, do they do any combination with their schools? Like is there any possibility of the

[Speaker 2] (3:03:30 - 3:03:30)
I've

[Speaker 9] (3:03:30 - 3:03:30)
schools

[Speaker 2] (3:03:30 - 3:03:30)
asked about

[Speaker 9] (3:03:30 - 3:03:30)
and the town

[Speaker 2] (3:03:30 - 3:03:31)
that.

[Speaker 9] (3:03:31 - 3:03:31)
combining?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:31 - 3:03:34)
I've asked about that. Certainly on the procurement side, just at scale. Um

[Speaker 1] (3:03:34 - 3:03:34)
Mm, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:34 - 3:03:36)
the the initial reaction

[Speaker 2] (3:03:37 - 3:03:48)
Not just here but in general is there on the hardware side there's concern about uh jeopardising their e-rate, which is they get a significant discount from the federal government or subsidy from the federal government or

[Speaker 1] (3:03:48 - 3:03:49)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:49 - 3:03:49)
hardware.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:50 - 3:03:50)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:50 - 3:04:03)
The the sort of demand on staff is a moving target that many communities, including us, have wrestled with because the need on a daily basis in this building with in this building with this many users is way beyond ours.

[Speaker 8] (3:04:03 - 3:04:03)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:03 - 3:04:06)
So it's almost like is there a way and it might be after we see

[Speaker 2] (3:04:06 - 3:04:24)
after we spend some time with them and get our our stuff together that we say can we come to some agreement where there's a portion of a full-time employee that we are getting a town hall because the demand here is like their keyboard some someone lost a letter on a keyboard that is a type of thing they would fix, but it's also up to Wi-Fi is not working anywhere. Like

[Speaker 9] (3:04:24 - 3:04:24)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:24 - 3:04:25)
there's just

[Speaker 1] (3:04:25 - 3:04:25)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:25 - 3:04:25)
the full

[Speaker 9] (3:04:25 - 3:04:26)
Never reach.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:26 - 3:04:31)
demand here is much wider than us and it's always been a question of like if we need someone and they need someone

[Speaker 2] (3:04:32 - 3:04:34)
Who who's the priority and

[Speaker 2] (3:04:35 - 3:04:46)
It's it's it's definitely something to explore I think this would really give us an opportunity to go from a current state that is not great Although working to something that has

[Speaker 9] (3:04:46 - 3:04:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:46 - 3:04:57)
a pathway we're making improvements we've addressed things I mean one of the things they talked about is like it's really they're looking to build a zero trust environment so that we are much safer across the board and we don't we're not exposed but

[Speaker 9] (3:04:57 - 3:04:58)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:58 - 3:05:03)
then when we have the yachts come in we have a couple of hundred Active Directory users that needed to be turned off immediately

[Speaker 2] (3:05:03 - 3:05:08)
really because over the course of years employees have come and gone, emails have been turned

[Speaker 9] (3:05:08 - 3:05:09)
No, they actually pointed that out to us.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:09 - 3:05:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:05:09 - 3:05:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:10 - 3:05:19)
And we they pointed that out to us, and in return we gave that to our company to shut these things off. So it's little concerning t to hear that it wasn't done.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:19 - 3:05:31)
I agree. And we we did have a I look Haiky looked at the report with us and I also called attention to some of the physical clean-up and things that needed to be done in town hall. A little p the physical stuff has been done.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:31 - 3:05:36)
Some of the technology or the software back inside has been done, but not everything yet.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:37 - 3:05:38)
Does this cover the phone system?

[Speaker 2] (3:05:39 - 3:05:39)
No.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:39 - 3:05:40)
Mm-mm.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:40 - 3:05:40)
Hmm.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:41 - 3:05:50)
So right now our front system runs off the server in town. That is something that we would need to look at as a different procurement if we were to move beyond that. And I think that is a good example of something that we can move off premises.

[Speaker 8] (3:05:52 - 3:06:03)
Both our email and phones are running physically off a box in our building that I like during one of the snowstorms I had to come to literally unplug and plug it back in. And so ideally,

[Speaker 8] (3:06:03 - 3:06:05)
although it becomes it goes from a

[Speaker 2] (3:06:06 - 3:06:19)
You know, once every however many years hardware costs to a subscription, I think there is some real benefit and it also provides us the opportunity in the future if we would ever look at something like COVID again, where you could have soft phones and availability to be answering from wherever.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:20 - 3:06:22)
If for some reason something horrible happened,

[Speaker 2] (3:06:22 - 3:06:25)
um so that that is something we've talked

[Speaker 1] (3:06:25 - 3:06:25)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:06:25 - 3:06:25)
about.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:25 - 3:06:27)
we're not we're we're not voiceover IP?

[Speaker 2] (3:06:28 - 3:06:28)
it

[Speaker 8] (3:06:28 - 3:06:28)
Apparently.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:28 - 3:06:32)
it it it's running out of the we have instead of instead

[Speaker 1] (3:06:32 - 3:06:32)
It's the server.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:32 - 3:06:33)
of a subscription

[Speaker 1] (3:06:33 - 3:06:33)
It's a trip down.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:33 - 3:06:34)
cost off

[Speaker 1] (3:06:34 - 3:06:34)
I understand

[Speaker 2] (3:06:34 - 3:06:35)
premise

[Speaker 1] (3:06:35 - 3:06:35)
that.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:35 - 3:06:35)
it's

[Speaker 8] (3:06:35 - 3:06:35)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:35 - 3:06:40)
we're we're VoIP but we just happen to be running internal instead of a that's all I wanted

[Speaker 2] (3:06:40 - 3:06:40)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:40 - 3:06:41)
to just make sure I understood.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:41 - 3:06:41)
I misunderstood.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:41 - 3:06:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:42 - 3:06:45)
Nope. I didn't ask the right question.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:45 - 3:06:45)
It's okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:46 - 3:06:55)
But that to me that's the idea that like literally two or three residents have said I'd love to talk about the hardware needs not because they sell but because they want us to be planning for

[Speaker 2] (3:06:57 - 3:07:04)
future IT and what we should be doing. There are residents that are not engaged with the you know in any way in sales, they they work in IT somewhere and

[Speaker 1] (3:07:04 - 3:07:08)
The the only reason I bring it up is last year we had a ton of problems with the phones. They were always down.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:08 - 3:07:08)
They're always

[Speaker 1] (3:07:08 - 3:07:08)
It

[Speaker 4] (3:07:08 - 3:07:08)
down.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:08 - 3:07:12)
was a real, real problem. So I didn't that's kind of why I led to this to ask

[Speaker 2] (3:07:13 - 3:07:22)
And I think we have a lot of old infrastructure and there's costs associated with all of it, but again it will probably make sense to look at a subscription model that's off premises, as opposed to

[Speaker 2] (3:07:23 - 3:07:24)
A significant

[Speaker 1] (3:07:24 - 3:07:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:24 - 3:07:44)
hardware uh expense inside that then needs to be supported in person there by a single individual or a single managed service provider, whereas if we have a subscription to someone, voice stream, wind stream, whoever, like a large firm, there is expense to that, but they also are ninety nine point nine percent up time, they have multiple places to

[Speaker 1] (3:07:44 - 3:07:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:44 - 3:07:47)
route things and make it work, so that's part of a longer term discussion for sure.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:48 - 3:07:49)
The yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:49 - 3:07:50)
Okay, well we will come back

[Speaker 2] (3:07:50 - 3:07:50)
Good.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:50 - 3:07:51)
oh sorry, you have something?

[Speaker 2] (3:07:51 - 3:07:52)
Nope, good.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:52 - 3:07:57)
Um so we will come back to this conversation hopefully when the gates open and we can walk through them.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:57 - 3:07:57)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:57 - 3:08:00)
Um let's move on to employment contracts.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:00 - 3:08:08)
So for the employment contracts we have uh a number of uh department heads that have both been out of contract or

[Speaker 2] (3:08:09 - 3:08:29)
uh our new that we wanted to bring before you, I just wanted to highlight especially for the new folks, and I've had some brief discussion with them, the list of peers and super peers that we've been benchmarking against for a number of years here. Here they are. Um they are demographically similar, geographically similar. There's, you know, a number of different criteria that went into this in the past.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:34 - 3:08:40)
Obviously for the three new employees, we had discussed with the previous board at least, so for the three members that are here,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:45)
the range. Everyone is at the lower end of that range on their contracts.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:46 - 3:08:53)
And then on the two that are renewals which have been out since Gino was acting actually.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:53 - 3:08:57)
So it's Genos and Marzis are the two that are before you this evening.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:57 - 3:09:05)
Those are you know comped to peer communities and again well within what we think is appropriate for their experience,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:05 - 3:09:07)
expertise in the role that they play in town.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:08 - 3:09:09)
I'm happy to answer questions.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:09 - 3:09:12)
So I'm just a little bit confused because I thought that we sat,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:12 - 3:09:20)
we had meetings and we talked about, we talked about all this. I actually thought that all this was resolved.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:20 - 3:09:21)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:09:21 - 3:09:43)
To see this on the agenda I was a little surprised and then I don't I don't have any of the I didn't get any of these contracts in my packet on Friday and I can't open I I've been out of town on Monday and Tuesday so I haven't been able to look at anything here and the fact that Gino Marzi

[Speaker 2] (3:09:45 - 3:09:47)
And the library director is in here.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:47 - 3:09:48)
These are right.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:48 - 3:09:50)
That's the library director's sign, here.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:50 - 3:09:54)
These are people we talked about. And now here we are in May, and they still don't have contracts.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:55 - 3:10:00)
And I don't know, do these contracts, are these contracts based on our previous conversations,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:00 - 3:10:00)
They are.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:00 - 3:10:01)
in executive

[Speaker 3] (3:10:01 - 3:10:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:01 - 3:10:01)
session?

[Speaker 2] (3:10:01 - 3:10:01)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:10:01 - 3:10:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:02 - 3:10:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:02 - 3:10:03)
we're in that, we're in that ballpark.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:03 - 3:10:04)
We are

[Speaker 3] (3:10:04 - 3:10:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:04 - 3:10:06)
at the numbers that were discussed in

[Speaker 2] (3:10:06 - 3:10:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:06 - 3:10:09)
executive session for each of those and then for Patrick.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:09 - 3:10:12)
So for example if we do not see a contract then

[Speaker 3] (3:10:12 - 3:10:14)
it's because it has not been settled in

[Speaker 2] (3:10:14 - 3:10:14)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:14 - 3:10:15)
Resolved.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:15 - 3:10:15)
the

[Speaker 2] (3:10:15 - 3:10:16)
There's prior one person who

[Speaker 3] (3:10:16 - 3:10:16)
discussions

[Speaker 2] (3:10:16 - 3:10:16)
doesn't.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:16 - 3:10:17)
Okay. that occurred.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:17 - 3:10:19)
And we're saying that Patrick and Liam,

[Speaker 2] (3:10:19 - 3:10:22)
two individuals in the finance department,

[Speaker 2] (3:10:23 - 3:10:24)
they're working without a contract?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:25 - 3:10:26)
We hired them.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:26 - 3:10:27)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:27 - 3:10:29)
I'm asking to put a contract before you for a vote.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:29 - 3:10:29)
Got it.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:32 - 3:10:33)
One question.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:33 - 3:10:33)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:34 - 3:10:37)
So it's my understanding that the pension board

[Speaker 6] (3:10:38 - 3:10:48)
That the did, I dunno i i it I dunno if it's Patrick or i it has position he gets a stipend as well, is that correct? Or am I misunderstanding that?

[Speaker 7] (3:10:49 - 3:10:53)
I am not receiving a stipend for my work on the retirement board.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:53 - 3:10:54)
Retirement board, okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:54 - 3:10:57)
And I do not believe it was in the previous finance directors contract either.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:57 - 3:10:57)
No.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:58 - 3:10:59)
Okay. Thank

[Speaker 2] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
She

[Speaker 6] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
you for

[Speaker 2] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
receives

[Speaker 6] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
the clarification.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:59 - 3:11:00)
a stipend.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:01 - 3:11:04)
I can go back and check the contract again, but she

[Speaker 2] (3:11:04 - 3:11:04)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:11:04 - 3:11:06)
She d she did, but I don't believe it was part

[Speaker 2] (3:11:06 - 3:11:08)
wasn't in the contract, but she receives

[Speaker 7] (3:11:08 - 3:11:08)
separately

[Speaker 2] (3:11:08 - 3:11:08)
a stipend.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:08 - 3:11:09)
with the board.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:09 - 3:11:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:10 - 3:11:11)
Um can you say it one more time, merry nope?

[Speaker 6] (3:11:11 - 3:11:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:13 - 3:11:19)
The past the previous town finance director did receive a stipend

[Speaker 6] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:19 - 3:11:19)
from the

[Speaker 7] (3:11:20 - 3:11:20)
Independent.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:20 - 3:11:21)
retirement board what

[Speaker 7] (3:11:21 - 3:11:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:21 - 3:11:24)
that stipend was not in her contract.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:25 - 3:11:26)
But it was paid by the town?

[Speaker 2] (3:11:26 - 3:11:35)
It's paid by the pension board ga would advance that money to the town and then the town paid the director of finance.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:37 - 3:11:40)
And that and it wasn't detailed in her employment contract?

[Speaker 1] (3:11:41 - 3:11:41)
No,

[Speaker 7] (3:11:41 - 3:11:44)
That is not standard practice. That's very strange.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:44 - 3:11:51)
Only reason I know that is I had a meeting to better understand the pension system and I caught that was

[Speaker 6] (3:11:51 - 3:11:53)
Explain to me that way. So I

[Speaker 3] (3:11:53 - 3:11:53)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:53 - 3:11:55)
just that's why I'm asking the question.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:55 - 3:12:00)
So if we receive any funds from the retirement board,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:00 - 3:12:01)
Yes, happy

[Speaker 3] (3:12:01 - 3:12:04)
we would amend Patrick's contract in

[Speaker 1] (3:12:04 - 3:12:04)
to happy

[Speaker 3] (3:12:04 - 3:12:08)
order to facilitate those funds to get to Patrick in a transparent fashion.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
to

[Speaker 2] (3:12:10 - 3:12:15)
So what it was was the retirement board was subsidizing the contract.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:18 - 3:12:19)
So it was an

[Speaker 2] (3:12:19 - 3:12:19)
It

[Speaker 3] (3:12:19 - 3:12:19)
auxiliary

[Speaker 2] (3:12:19 - 3:12:20)
doesn't, it's

[Speaker 3] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20)
community.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:20 - 3:12:21)
not a stipend then,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:21 - 3:12:21)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:12:21 - 3:12:21)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:12:21 - 3:12:21)
not a stipend,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:21 - 3:12:22)
It would then be

[Speaker 3] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
it's a subsidy.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:22 - 3:12:26)
No, that's totally different. They would have been subsidizing the town.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:27 - 3:12:30)
But a stipend means an additional benefit, right? So in

[Speaker 7] (3:12:30 - 3:12:30)
It's like a bonus,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:30 - 3:12:34)
because of the work that she did for that board,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:34 - 3:12:38)
she would receive compensation that would be provided by that board through the town to her.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:39 - 3:12:43)
But it sounds like what he's actually saying is her contract was what it was,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:43 - 3:12:44)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:44 - 3:12:44)
and

[Speaker 2] (3:12:44 - 3:12:44)
in

[Speaker 3] (3:12:44 - 3:12:49)
that it addition. was a portion of it was paid for out of the funding that came through the retirement.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:49 - 3:12:52)
That's my understanding, but Patrick should probably look into that,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:52 - 3:12:52)
give us real...

[Speaker 2] (3:12:53 - 3:12:53)
clarity.

[Speaker 7] (3:12:54 - 3:12:55)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:55 - 3:12:55)
So

[Speaker 8] (3:12:55 - 3:12:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:55 - 3:12:56)
we could oh sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:56 - 3:12:58)
Contractor. You know, either one of them can talk.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:58 - 3:12:59)
Well he's he's on the retirement

[Speaker 7] (3:12:59 - 3:12:59)
Yeah, on

[Speaker 2] (3:12:59 - 3:13:00)
board.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:00 - 3:13:00)
my line, I know.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:00 - 3:13:00)
and he is.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:00 - 3:13:02)
He's on the board, he's He's right on on the board

[Speaker 2] (3:13:02 - 3:13:02)
the board

[Speaker 1] (3:13:02 - 3:13:02)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:13:02 - 3:13:02)
and he's the am accountant.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:02 - 3:13:03)
off to the side, but

[Speaker 3] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:03 - 3:13:04)
well, I mean,

[Speaker 6] (3:13:04 - 3:13:04)
We're

[Speaker 1] (3:13:04 - 3:13:04)
Mark's is in the

[Speaker 6] (3:13:04 - 3:13:04)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:04 - 3:13:05)
building, so

[Speaker 7] (3:13:05 - 3:13:05)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:05 - 3:13:05)
we could pick this up.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:05 - 3:13:05)
it's

[Speaker 1] (3:13:05 - 3:13:05)
together.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:05 - 3:13:13)
as if compensation is voted as part of the retirement board's budget for their expenses, that it's voted on in that budget.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:13 - 3:13:16)
And they may have said we're not giving a stipend anymore.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:17 - 3:13:19)
It wasn't discussed, but I am not receiving.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:19 - 3:13:20)
We will

[Speaker 3] (3:13:20 - 3:13:20)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:20 - 3:13:20)
speak to Nancy.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:20 - 3:13:21)
great.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:21 - 3:13:26)
But the way the contract reflects right now is our understanding of the way that Patrick should get paid.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:26 - 3:13:27)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:27 - 3:13:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:27 - 3:13:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:28 - 3:13:31)
So then I'm going to entertain, unless there's additional questions,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:31 - 3:13:38)
a vote to approve these employment contracts and then

[Speaker 7] (3:13:38 - 3:13:39)
I will

[Speaker 3] (3:13:39 - 3:13:39)
we would sign them.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:39 - 3:13:40)
I will make

[Speaker 1] (3:13:40 - 3:13:40)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:13:40 - 3:13:40)
that motion.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:40 - 3:13:40)
we have signed.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:40 - 3:13:41)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:41 - 3:13:42)
They've signed with the expectation,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:42 - 3:13:42)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:42 - 3:13:43)
or hope rather.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:43 - 3:13:45)
We've all been signed already.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:46 - 3:13:47)
By the employees.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:47 - 3:13:51)
And the library director is a continuing ongoing negotiation.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:51 - 3:13:57)
What we had spoken about in executive session is subject to future and further negotiation.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:57 - 3:13:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:57 - 3:13:59)
Okay. I would make that motion, Caitlin.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:59 - 3:14:01)
Okay, so I have Okay. a motion and a second?

[Speaker 1] (3:14:01 - 3:14:01)
I'll second.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:01 - 3:14:03)
Just ask a quick question, clarification.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:03 - 3:14:07)
Accept said second and then continue discussion.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
You're

[Speaker 1] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
Go

[Speaker 6] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
good?

[Speaker 1] (3:14:07 - 3:14:08)
ahead.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:08 - 3:14:09)
Okay. So.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:10 - 3:14:18)
as the new guy again Yeah. so these were conversations obviously that happened in executive session okay so

[Speaker 7] (3:14:18 - 3:14:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:18 - 3:14:24)
because I was not privy to those conversations I'm going to well I feel

[Speaker 3] (3:14:24 - 3:14:24)
You're

[Speaker 6] (3:14:24 - 3:14:25)
I'm going to

[Speaker 3] (3:14:25 - 3:14:25)
okay

[Speaker 6] (3:14:25 - 3:14:26)
abstain okay

[Speaker 3] (3:14:27 - 3:14:35)
All right. So there's a motion and a second on the table, all in favor of supporting the employment contracts of Patrick Letty as finance director,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:35 - 3:14:38)
Liam Brayley as treasurer collector,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:38 - 3:14:39)
Katie Dupont as town clerk,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:39 - 3:14:45)
and Marcy Gillaska as director of community and economic development and Gina Cresta as director of public works,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:45 - 3:14:46)
say aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:46 - 3:14:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:46 - 3:14:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:46 - 3:14:47)
Hi abstaining.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:47 - 3:14:48)
Abstaining.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:48 - 3:14:50)
Okay. So that's four with one abstaining.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:52 - 3:14:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:53 - 3:14:56)
Now we move on to the ominous future dates.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:56 - 3:15:00)
Just wanted to give you all the discussion, an opportunity to discuss if you want.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:01 - 3:15:06)
Yes. So we town meeting obviously is forthcoming.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:06 - 3:15:10)
There's, you know, for those of you who haven't been so lucky to be on the board,

[Speaker 3] (3:15:10 - 3:15:13)
we typically meet right before town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:13 - 3:15:18)
Sometimes we schedule even the second night we schedule a

[Speaker 3] (3:15:19 - 3:15:30)
select board meeting in case we need to meet and it's duly posted and then because of the way May falls the question is

[Speaker 3] (3:15:32 - 3:15:36)
Do we meet again after that or do we just go right on to June?

[Speaker 3] (3:15:36 - 3:15:50)
We would then meet, you know, the third, probably the third and the seventeenth. We also need to discuss in the summer we typically move from Wednesdays to Tuesdays to support the summer concert series on Town Hall Lawn which happens on Wednesdays.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:50 - 3:15:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:51 - 3:15:56)
So if there's a conflict with Tuesdays we can discuss Thursdays with the new board.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:56 - 3:15:59)
So just want to get some of these things nailed down so that

[Speaker 3] (3:16:00 - 3:16:16)
everybody's we're meeting expectations so the first question would be if everybody's comfortable with town the meeting before town meeting being the second May meeting or if people want to have another meeting the last week of May

[Speaker 6] (3:16:16 - 3:16:18)
You want to do it like the night of from like

[Speaker 3] (3:16:19 - 3:16:20)
It's yeah we typically do

[Speaker 6] (3:16:20 - 3:16:20)
4

[Speaker 3] (3:16:20 - 3:16:20)
a ready

[Speaker 6] (3:16:20 - 3:16:21)
30 to

[Speaker 2] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
to We

[Speaker 6] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
6

[Speaker 2] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
we

[Speaker 3] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
we

[Speaker 6] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
30.

[Speaker 2] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
do.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
do

[Speaker 2] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
You make

[Speaker 3] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
typically hold

[Speaker 2] (3:16:21 - 3:16:22)
the night up.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:22 - 3:16:34)
it in the Monday that's how meeting begins we hold it at 5 or 5 30 right before town meeting and then again we would post another one for the second day also just in case. But that would be the only other meeting in May.

[Speaker 6] (3:16:34 - 3:16:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:35 - 3:16:35)
So that's

[Speaker 7] (3:16:35 - 3:16:36)
That's

[Speaker 3] (3:16:36 - 3:16:36)
okay

[Speaker 7] (3:16:36 - 3:16:36)
a good idea.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:36 - 3:16:37)
so that's fine you'll

[Speaker 6] (3:16:37 - 3:16:37)
Fine. Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:37 - 3:16:44)
do that. For June the tentative meeting when does the rec um

[Speaker 3] (3:16:45 - 3:16:45)
Concerts

[Speaker 2] (3:16:45 - 3:16:46)
Concerts.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:46 - 3:16:46)
begin?

[Speaker 1] (3:16:46 - 3:16:48)
I believe it's July and August.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:48 - 3:16:50)
Okay, so great. So for June then we would keep Wednesday,

[Speaker 3] (3:16:50 - 3:16:53)
which would be the 3rd and the 17th.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:54 - 3:17:07)
I would also propose at some point in June we have the last couple of years held a like a workout session or breakout session for the select board members not including town staff on a Saturday

[Speaker 3] (3:17:08 - 3:17:14)
which we discuss policies like our own hopes and dreams of what might happen on select board

[Speaker 6] (3:17:14 - 3:17:16)
It sounds much better than the workout session

[Speaker 3] (3:17:16 - 3:17:17)
Yeah the workout session

[Speaker 1] (3:17:17 - 3:17:17)
That sounds

[Speaker 3] (3:17:17 - 3:17:17)
that's

[Speaker 1] (3:17:17 - 3:17:17)
way

[Speaker 3] (3:17:17 - 3:17:17)
Charlotte's

[Speaker 1] (3:17:17 - 3:17:18)
more fun.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:18 - 3:17:19)
Saturday after the before the farmers market.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:21 - 3:17:35)
So we, I would propose one sat, like one Saturday in June to do that, um preferably not the 20th because my birthday is the 19th and I don't want to see you guys on the 20th, no offense,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:35 - 3:17:36)
um but

[Speaker 3] (3:17:36 - 3:17:37)
maybe the

[Speaker 9] (3:17:37 - 3:17:38)
You were morning

[Speaker 3] (3:17:38 - 3:17:38)
13th

[Speaker 9] (3:17:38 - 3:17:39)
or

[Speaker 3] (3:17:39 - 3:17:39)
or the just

[Speaker 7] (3:17:39 - 3:17:40)
It's usually

[Speaker 3] (3:17:40 - 3:17:40)
had

[Speaker 7] (3:17:40 - 3:17:40)
the next

[Speaker 3] (3:17:40 - 3:17:42)
all really I would just you know love

[Speaker 6] (3:17:42 - 3:17:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:42 - 3:17:51)
not to have to do that so the 13th or the 27th um would be the two dates you don't have to say now but we can get back to Shannon if people would email her

[Speaker 9] (3:17:51 - 3:17:51)
13th

[Speaker 3] (3:17:51 - 3:17:52)
at I th the

[Speaker 9] (3:17:52 - 3:17:52)
or the 27th is

[Speaker 3] (3:17:52 - 3:17:57)
Saturday the 13th or Saturday the 27th it's generally like we've done it from like

[Speaker 3] (3:17:57 - 3:17:58)
9 to

[Speaker 7] (3:17:58 - 3:17:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:17:58 - 3:17:59)
12 or something like

[Speaker 7] (3:17:59 - 3:17:59)
right.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:59 - 3:18:04)
that. It's still an open meeting the public can join, but it's a little less formal.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:04 - 3:18:07)
We sh are at town hall in the in the conference room.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:07 - 3:18:07)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:07 - 3:18:12)
We've put up like sticky notes all over the walls in prior years. We've wrote out our own

[Speaker 7] (3:18:12 - 3:18:12)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:18:12 - 3:18:12)
goals.

[Speaker 7] (3:18:12 - 3:18:13)
goal setting.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:13 - 3:18:13)
We've

[Speaker 6] (3:18:13 - 3:18:13)
Huh.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:13 - 3:18:18)
collaborated. So we should pull those goals out and see, you know, what actually

[Speaker 7] (3:18:18 - 3:18:18)
Accomplished.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:18 - 3:18:23)
have we accomplished and what's left on the list, what can carry over if they align.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:23 - 3:18:24)
I'm with our new members.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:25 - 3:18:25)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:18:25 - 3:18:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:25 - 3:18:29)
I would like to do that on either the 13th or the 27th. So folks can give feedback,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:29 - 3:18:30)
that would be great.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:32 - 3:18:32)
Finally,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:33 - 3:18:37)
in July we'll move to Tuesdays unless that is a conflict for anybody.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:38 - 3:18:45)
And then we are going to talk to tri-committee about getting something on the books for July on

[Speaker 3] (3:18:45 - 3:18:45)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:45 - 3:18:49)
a conversation about financial guidelines.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:49 - 3:18:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:50 - 3:18:50)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:51 - 3:18:54)
So that is the plan for the next,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:54 - 3:19:04)
and then this will take us through August, meeting on Tuesdays, so it would be the 7th and the 21st for July and the...

[Speaker 1] (3:19:04 - 3:19:14)
fourth and the 18th of August and um if people have planned vacations just let us know we can always bump it a week and do the two out weeks instead

[Speaker 5] (3:19:14 - 3:19:14)
Wait,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:14 - 3:19:14)
of

[Speaker 5] (3:19:14 - 3:19:15)
what was August again?

[Speaker 1] (3:19:15 - 3:19:17)
The fourth and the 18th.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:18 - 3:19:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:18 - 3:19:19)
We could always bump

[Speaker 6] (3:19:19 - 3:19:21)
Wait, sorry for me. What did we come to?

[Speaker 1] (3:19:21 - 3:19:29)
May we said we're just gonna do town meeting, the two meetings before town meeting or or the one and the one extra it and we're not gonna meet again until June 3rd.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:29 - 3:19:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:30 - 3:19:31)
Do people go to the concerts?

[Speaker 7] (3:19:32 - 3:19:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:32 - 3:19:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:32 - 3:19:35)
No, I did last year. It's just I noticed

[Speaker 7] (3:19:36 - 3:19:39)
There weren't a whole lot of Slackboard members there, and I'm just wondering

[Speaker 1] (3:19:39 - 3:19:40)
Did you want to share a blanket?

[Speaker 6] (3:19:40 - 3:19:42)
I only went to the ones that I liked the music.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:42 - 3:19:43)
Oh no, I ha I'm on the porch.

[Speaker 8] (3:19:43 - 3:19:43)
You can chase

[Speaker 1] (3:19:43 - 3:19:44)
Hey,

[Speaker 8] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
my

[Speaker 1] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
you,

[Speaker 8] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
cat if

[Speaker 1] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
you're

[Speaker 8] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
you want.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:44 - 3:19:46)
at Kathy's house, you're not even at the

[Speaker 7] (3:19:46 - 3:19:46)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:19:46 - 3:19:46)
town

[Speaker 7] (3:19:46 - 3:19:46)
having

[Speaker 1] (3:19:46 - 3:19:47)
hall meeting.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:47 - 3:19:47)
dinner.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:48 - 3:19:48)
See, I

[Speaker 6] (3:19:48 - 3:19:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:48 - 3:19:49)
mean,

[Speaker 8] (3:19:49 - 3:19:49)
I'm in the I'd P.C.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:49 - 3:19:50)
I go to a party,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:50 - 3:19:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:19:50 - 3:19:50)
go to dinner,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:50 - 3:19:51)
that's right, you go VIP section.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:51 - 3:19:52)
I go Tuesday night parties.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:52 - 3:19:54)
We're sitting in the commoner section,

[Speaker 6] (3:19:54 - 3:19:54)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:54 - 3:19:55)
which is on the blankets.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:55 - 3:19:56)
I'm in VIP section.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:56 - 3:19:57)
Katie and I went to Harry Potter last year.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:57 - 3:20:00)
Yeah, that was thor so on Thursday nights, there's generally movies,

[Speaker 7] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:00 - 3:20:02)
and that you'll find maybe

[Speaker 1] (3:20:03 - 3:20:05)
Ted, Danielle and I will be more frequently at those.

[Speaker 7] (3:20:05 - 3:20:09)
It depends on the music if I go. I don't like country typically,

[Speaker 7] (3:20:09 - 3:20:09)
but oh.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:09 - 3:20:10)
So, but yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:10 - 3:20:16)
I mean they're very well attended. I think some walkers still going to be subsidizing some of those, which is great.

[Speaker 7] (3:20:16 - 3:20:17)
They do movie night.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:17 - 3:20:19)
They do the movie night,

[Speaker 7] (3:20:19 - 3:20:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:19 - 3:20:19)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:20:19 - 3:20:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:20 - 3:20:20)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:20 - 3:20:20)
so

[Speaker 9] (3:20:20 - 3:20:20)
And

[Speaker 1] (3:20:20 - 3:20:21)
that

[Speaker 9] (3:20:21 - 3:20:21)
then after

[Speaker 1] (3:20:21 - 3:20:21)
is

[Speaker 9] (3:20:21 - 3:20:22)
Labor Day, you go back to Wednesdays?

[Speaker 7] (3:20:22 - 3:20:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:23 - 3:20:24)
Yeah, that's the plan.

[Speaker 9] (3:20:24 - 3:20:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:25 - 3:20:33)
That's the plan and let and listen, it's all up to us. So if that doesn't, if Wednesdays don't work, we can we can switch gears. It's just with the

[Speaker 6] (3:20:33 - 3:20:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:33 - 3:20:35)
traditionally how we have scheduled.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:35 - 3:20:44)
Just we need advance notice. So we're gonna do Tuesdays for the summer. So if we want to discuss going to a different day other than Wednesday, let's do so before August.

[Speaker 9] (3:20:44 - 3:20:48)
So when we do Tuesdays, that just means you got to break out the

[Speaker 9] (3:20:49 - 3:20:51)
The plan and the obviously

[Speaker 1] (3:20:51 - 3:20:51)
Agenda

[Speaker 9] (3:20:51 - 3:20:53)
the agenda has to be done you don't get that extra

[Speaker 6] (3:20:53 - 3:20:54)
By

[Speaker 9] (3:20:54 - 3:20:54)
little day.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:54 - 3:20:54)
Thursday.

[Speaker 10] (3:20:54 - 3:20:55)
It's posted

[Speaker 9] (3:20:55 - 3:20:55)
Yeah

[Speaker 10] (3:20:55 - 3:20:59)
Friday publicly and you all will get everything earlier.

[Speaker 10] (3:20:59 - 3:21:02)
Probably my goal would be Wednesday.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:02 - 3:21:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:03 - 3:21:03)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:21:03 - 3:21:03)
Okay

[Speaker 1] (3:21:03 - 3:21:07)
So it is an additional constraint on.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:08 - 3:21:08)
Town

[Speaker 10] (3:21:08 - 3:21:08)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:21:08 - 3:21:08)
Hall,

[Speaker 10] (3:21:08 - 3:21:09)
just

[Speaker 1] (3:21:09 - 3:21:09)
but same.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:09 - 3:21:09)
it's just a different schedule.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:09 - 3:21:11)
It's just a different schedule. It's not a constraint. It's not a constraint.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:11 - 3:21:12)
Thank you. Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:12 - 3:21:12)
Good.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:12 - 3:21:12)
Good

[Speaker 1] (3:21:12 - 3:21:12)
But

[Speaker 9] (3:21:12 - 3:21:13)
good way to put it.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:13 - 3:21:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:14 - 3:21:20)
But Nick has already committed that he'd be happy to make sure it happens if that's the will of the board. And so here we are.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:20 - 3:21:26)
All right, so I think that's it for future dates unless anybody wants to discuss anything else.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:26 - 3:21:29)
Oh, the only question I have is on the on the warrant.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:29 - 3:21:33)
Do we have to do we have to say who's covering what articles?

[Speaker 10] (3:21:34 - 3:21:35)
In terms of the motions and speaking?

[Speaker 6] (3:21:35 - 3:21:36)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:36 - 3:21:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
We

[Speaker 10] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
And

[Speaker 7] (3:21:37 - 3:21:38)
intend.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:38 - 3:21:40)
so the we're doing the motions meeting with Ryan,

[Speaker 10] (3:21:41 - 3:21:42)
town council,

[Speaker 10] (3:21:42 - 3:21:45)
town clerk on the 13th or 14th rather.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:46 - 3:21:52)
So that they've they'll have been drafted and circulated but we'll all be talking. But yes I can coordinate individually or

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:21:52 - 3:21:55)
with the chair on who from your board would like to speak on each article.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:56 - 3:21:58)
And I nominate Ted and Wayne to speak on

[Speaker 9] (3:21:58 - 3:21:58)
Thanks.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:58 - 3:21:58)
all.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:58 - 3:22:00)
Well Ted has a lot of experience.

[Speaker 10] (3:22:00 - 3:22:02)
It's too much, too much.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:02 - 3:22:03)
Um

[Speaker 6] (3:22:03 - 3:22:07)
I don't even know if we really have to speak. I mean we haven't had to speak except for

[Speaker 1] (3:22:07 - 3:22:08)
We ha I

[Speaker 6] (3:22:08 - 3:22:08)
when

[Speaker 1] (3:22:08 - 3:22:08)
guess

[Speaker 6] (3:22:08 - 3:22:08)
we did

[Speaker 1] (3:22:08 - 3:22:08)
a couple

[Speaker 6] (3:22:08 - 3:22:09)
a special

[Speaker 1] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
of them,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
town

[Speaker 1] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
right?

[Speaker 6] (3:22:09 - 3:22:12)
meeting. We just have to say a couple of them we do, but we just have to say

[Speaker 1] (3:22:13 - 3:22:13)
At least

[Speaker 6] (3:22:13 - 3:22:13)
Sign

[Speaker 1] (3:22:13 - 3:22:14)
the one.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:14 - 3:22:14)
words in favor.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:14 - 3:22:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
so why

[Speaker 10] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:15 - 3:22:18)
don't why don't you have that meeting on the 13th, I'm

[Speaker 10] (3:22:18 - 3:22:19)
14th, but

[Speaker 1] (3:22:19 - 3:22:19)
sorry, the

[Speaker 10] (3:22:19 - 3:22:19)
they

[Speaker 1] (3:22:19 - 3:22:19)
14th,

[Speaker 10] (3:22:19 - 3:22:20)
get wrong.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
and then

[Speaker 6] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
The

[Speaker 1] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
we

[Speaker 6] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
moderator

[Speaker 1] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
can we

[Speaker 6] (3:22:20 - 3:22:21)
meeting articles.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:21 - 3:22:21)
can

[Speaker 7] (3:22:21 - 3:22:21)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:21 - 3:22:25)
chat and then if there's anybody who's uncomfortable speaking,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:26 - 3:22:28)
let me know and I will not add you to the list. Otherwise,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:28 - 3:22:31)
we'll just rotate if you have a passion for one of

[Speaker 7] (3:22:31 - 3:22:31)
Ted

[Speaker 1] (3:22:31 - 3:22:31)
the warrant

[Speaker 7] (3:22:31 - 3:22:31)
can

[Speaker 1] (3:22:31 - 3:22:31)
articles.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:31 - 3:22:32)
speak on the fires.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:33 - 3:22:36)
Please tell me and I will make sure you get assigned that one.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:36 - 3:22:37)
Burning fires.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:37 - 3:22:38)
That's good.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:38 - 3:22:40)
That's a citizen's petition, so we don't talk

[Speaker 7] (3:22:40 - 3:22:42)
Well, we about didn't even need to.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:42 - 3:22:42)
I have.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:42 - 3:22:44)
that. Um okay, the consent agenda.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:44 - 3:22:47)
You take out the minutes because I didn't

[Speaker 9] (3:22:47 - 3:22:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:47 - 3:22:48)
I just got them today.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:49 - 3:22:49)
Sure, we will

[Speaker 10] (3:22:49 - 3:22:49)
We also

[Speaker 1] (3:22:49 - 3:22:50)
take out

[Speaker 10] (3:22:50 - 3:22:50)
have

[Speaker 1] (3:22:50 - 3:22:50)
the minutes.

[Speaker 10] (3:22:50 - 3:22:53)
the Hawker peddler license for Joseph Sanchez.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:53 - 3:22:55)
Yes. Do you want to talk about it or you want it?

[Speaker 9] (3:22:55 - 3:22:56)
I just have a question on it.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:56 - 3:22:58)
Oh, go ahead. Will you ask it now and then maybe

[Speaker 9] (3:22:58 - 3:22:58)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:58 - 3:22:58)
we don't have to

[Speaker 9] (3:22:58 - 3:22:59)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:59 - 3:23:00)
remove it from the consent agenda?

[Speaker 9] (3:23:00 - 3:23:04)
Perfect. Um, it says need board of health to sign

[Speaker 10] (3:23:04 - 3:23:05)
I have the same

[Speaker 9] (3:23:05 - 3:23:05)
with

[Speaker 10] (3:23:05 - 3:23:05)
question.

[Speaker 9] (3:23:05 - 3:23:09)
they're doing food and they're doing temporary food establishment selling tacos and t-shirts.

[Speaker 9] (3:23:10 - 3:23:10)
Has that been

[Speaker 1] (3:23:10 - 3:23:11)
Shannon?

[Speaker 9] (3:23:11 - 3:23:11)
o

[Speaker 11] (3:23:11 - 3:23:12)
I can speak on that.

[Speaker 11] (3:23:12 - 3:23:12)
Um,

[Speaker 9] (3:23:12 - 3:23:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:23:13 - 3:23:20)
so Jack had questioned whether he needed to fill out an application or not. So he has been working with Jack on what

[Speaker 11] (3:23:20 - 3:23:22)
what he needs and he can

[Speaker 7] (3:23:22 - 3:23:23)
Thanks, Janet.

[Speaker 11] (3:23:23 - 3:23:26)
Um I believe he is all set but I can confirm that with him.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:27 - 3:23:29)
So if we were to approve it, it would

[Speaker 6] (3:23:29 - 3:23:29)
be Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:29 - 3:23:29)
conditioned upon

[Speaker 7] (3:23:29 - 3:23:29)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:29 - 3:23:30)
that being

[Speaker 10] (3:23:30 - 3:23:30)
Perfect.

[Speaker 11] (3:23:31 - 3:23:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:31 - 3:23:33)
It's only for those location it's only for

[Speaker 7] (3:23:33 - 3:23:34)
Yeah, the farmers

[Speaker 6] (3:23:34 - 3:23:34)
Events

[Speaker 7] (3:23:34 - 3:23:34)
markets.

[Speaker 10] (3:23:34 - 3:23:34)
events.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:34 - 3:23:35)
and our special events and

[Speaker 7] (3:23:35 - 3:23:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (3:23:35 - 3:23:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:35 - 3:23:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (3:23:36 - 3:23:36)
He revised location

[Speaker 6] (3:23:36 - 3:23:37)
He

[Speaker 10] (3:23:37 - 3:23:37)
revises for the for

[Speaker 6] (3:23:37 - 3:23:37)
the

[Speaker 10] (3:23:37 - 3:23:37)
the

[Speaker 1] (3:23:37 - 3:23:37)
beach,

[Speaker 10] (3:23:37 - 3:23:38)
to be back.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:38 - 3:23:39)
that's right. Nobody's at the beach.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:39 - 3:23:44)
But we really should have some type of policy, right?

[Speaker 7] (3:23:44 - 3:23:50)
outlining what we what our goals would be or what our guidelines would be for people that

[Speaker 10] (3:23:50 - 3:23:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:23:50 - 3:23:54)
you know inevitably like that hot dog one from last year and stuff.

[Speaker 10] (3:23:54 - 3:24:00)
And what I had suggested last week, which we would have trouble implementing for this year, would be actually doing some sort of RFP for

[Speaker 7] (3:24:00 - 3:24:01)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:01 - 3:24:01)
food service

[Speaker 7] (3:24:01 - 3:24:01)
That's

[Speaker 10] (3:24:01 - 3:24:02)
in and around

[Speaker 7] (3:24:02 - 3:24:02)
right.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:02 - 3:24:02)
beach areas.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:03 - 3:24:04)
So that there

[Speaker 9] (3:24:04 - 3:24:04)
Great.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:04 - 3:24:08)
is a benefit to us and it is not simply someone that does not have brick and mortar coming and

[Speaker 1] (3:24:08 - 3:24:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:08 - 3:24:11)
arriving a professional or a business.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:11 - 3:24:11)
s benefit

[Speaker 7] (3:24:11 - 3:24:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:11 - 3:24:16)
uh without something for the community, it would also give us a better opportunity to make sure that if there are

[Speaker 10] (3:24:16 - 3:24:19)
multiple folks there, it's not sort of first one into the

[Speaker 7] (3:24:19 - 3:24:19)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:19 - 3:24:19)
spot, it's

[Speaker 11] (3:24:19 - 3:24:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:19 - 3:24:20)
that we can come up with

[Speaker 1] (3:24:21 - 3:24:21)
A rotation.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:21 - 3:24:22)
a process where there's a rotation

[Speaker 7] (3:24:22 - 3:24:22)
Right, some type

[Speaker 10] (3:24:22 - 3:24:22)
of in

[Speaker 7] (3:24:22 - 3:24:23)
a guidelines,

[Speaker 10] (3:24:23 - 3:24:23)
place.

[Speaker 7] (3:24:23 - 3:24:23)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:23 - 3:24:24)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:24 - 3:24:33)
I I found it interesting, and I d I asked Shannon this couple days ago. I was just trying to understand generally, you know, when you go to the farmer's market, you don't have to have a hawker's licence.

[Speaker 6] (3:24:33 - 3:24:34)
No.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:34 - 3:24:35)
Right, it's just it it's embedded

[Speaker 7] (3:24:35 - 3:24:35)
Right,

[Speaker 9] (3:24:35 - 3:24:36)
within

[Speaker 7] (3:24:36 - 3:24:37)
just buy a table and

[Speaker 9] (3:24:37 - 3:24:37)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:24:37 - 3:24:37)
whatever.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:37 - 3:24:37)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:37 - 3:24:37)
Right,

[Speaker 14] (3:24:37 - 3:24:37)
right.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:37 - 3:24:41)
Right. And then I'm thinking, okay, are the recreation events the same?

[Speaker 7] (3:24:41 - 3:24:42)
No.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:42 - 3:24:43)
Or do they require

[Speaker 7] (3:24:43 - 3:24:44)
I don't think they I

[Speaker 9] (3:24:44 - 3:24:44)
a

[Speaker 7] (3:24:44 - 3:24:50)
think they I think they require a hawker's license and like if it's a food vendor there's a whole separate set

[Speaker 9] (3:24:50 - 3:24:50)
right,

[Speaker 7] (3:24:50 - 3:24:50)
of requirements.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:50 - 3:24:50)
right.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:51 - 3:24:53)
But the farm, so the farmer's market is its own

[Speaker 7] (3:24:53 - 3:24:53)
kind Entity.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:53 - 3:24:55)
of unique entity.

[Speaker 9] (3:24:55 - 3:24:57)
So anything outside of that, this would cover.

[Speaker 10] (3:24:59 - 3:24:59)
Does the

[Speaker 9] (3:24:59 - 3:25:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:00 - 3:25:00)
hawker got a

[Speaker 1] (3:25:00 - 3:25:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:00 - 3:25:00)
letter?

[Speaker 9] (3:25:00 - 3:25:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (3:25:00 - 3:25:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:00 - 3:25:01)
I didn't know if that was a statement or a question.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:01 - 3:25:02)
Of course,

[Speaker 9] (3:25:02 - 3:25:02)
Sorry.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:02 - 3:25:02)
the farmers market,

[Speaker 10] (3:25:02 - 3:25:02)
Question.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:02 - 3:25:08)
they, so that when you're serving food at the farmers market, you have to file certain, you know, rules and regulations

[Speaker 7] (3:25:08 - 3:25:08)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:08 - 3:25:09)
from the Board of Health.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:10 - 3:25:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:10 - 3:25:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:10 - 3:25:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:11 - 3:25:13)
Does it thoroughly answer your question?

[Speaker 9] (3:25:13 - 3:25:13)
Thoroughly.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:14 - 3:25:15)
Great. I love that for

[Speaker 10] (3:25:15 - 3:25:15)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:25:15 - 3:25:15)
us.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:15 - 3:25:15)
did some.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:16 - 3:25:20)
Alright, so this is the consent agenda as amended removing the minutes. I'll take a motion to approve.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:21 - 3:25:22)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:22 - 3:25:23)
And a second.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:23 - 3:25:24)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:24 - 3:25:24)
All in favor?

[Speaker 9] (3:25:24 - 3:25:25)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:25 - 3:25:25)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:25 - 3:25:25)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:25 - 3:25:28)
Okay and we will move the minutes.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:29 - 3:25:38)
In the next meeting. Um we should be cognizant of how often we're moving the minutes just so we don't get into a situation.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:38 - 3:25:40)
We wouldn't have had to move the minutes

[Speaker 1] (3:25:40 - 3:25:40)
No.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:40 - 3:25:41)
if I had them.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:41 - 3:25:42)
That's that's fine,

[Speaker 6] (3:25:42 - 3:25:42)
but So

[Speaker 1] (3:25:42 - 3:25:43)
we move these I think

[Speaker 6] (3:25:43 - 3:25:43)
We'll have them

[Speaker 1] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
This

[Speaker 6] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
They

[Speaker 1] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
matter.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:44 - 3:25:45)
can be approved tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:45 - 3:25:55)
I also think we need to set up an executive session to discuss our six month rev review of our withheld executive session minutes.

[Speaker 11] (3:25:55 - 3:25:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:55 - 3:26:01)
Um so this is K.P.'s uh what is required by

[Speaker 9] (3:26:01 - 3:26:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:01 - 3:26:12)
us is if we are withholding the minutes under an exemption we need to review them every six months and re-certify that exemption. So um would like to get that on the books sometime maybe right after

[Speaker 1] (3:26:13 - 3:26:14)
Town meeting.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:15 - 3:26:23)
And do you have a preference if that's in person or virtual? Because it would also be useful to give an update on collective bargaining and any outstanding contracts.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:23 - 3:26:23)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (3:26:24 - 3:26:27)
I prefer in person just because I don't have a space

[Speaker 9] (3:26:27 - 3:26:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:27 - 3:26:31)
in my house to calmly and rationally speak to you guys without my children running around.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:31 - 3:26:34)
But happy for anybody else to be virtual if that's their choice.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:34 - 3:26:45)
So it will coordinate and look for a time that's mutually convenient for everyone, and it would be both. It would be to do that housekeeping on the minutes, but also give the CBA update wherever we are at the date we all get together.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:45 - 3:26:45)
Great.

[Speaker 12] (3:26:47 - 3:26:49)
Okay, select board, report

[Speaker 11] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
Can

[Speaker 12] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
and

[Speaker 11] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
I just

[Speaker 12] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
comments.

[Speaker 11] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
note one

[Speaker 6] (3:26:49 - 3:26:50)
Oh,

[Speaker 11] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
thing

[Speaker 6] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
sorry.

[Speaker 11] (3:26:50 - 3:26:58)
too? So for meeting minutes it will be these two sets and it will be on the next one for the fifteenth and the twenty seventh.

[Speaker 12] (3:26:58 - 3:26:59)
Great.

[Speaker 11] (3:26:59 - 3:27:02)
So it'll be four sets, but I'm not sure if they can vote on

[Speaker 1] (3:27:02 - 3:27:03)
They can't they

[Speaker 9] (3:27:04 - 3:27:05)
We can't vote on the ones

[Speaker 10] (3:27:05 - 3:27:05)
Not

[Speaker 9] (3:27:05 - 3:27:05)
that

[Speaker 10] (3:27:05 - 3:27:05)
on

[Speaker 9] (3:27:05 - 3:27:05)
they

[Speaker 10] (3:27:05 - 3:27:05)
the ones

[Speaker 9] (3:27:05 - 3:27:05)
approved

[Speaker 10] (3:27:05 - 3:27:06)
without in the meeting.

[Speaker 9] (3:27:06 - 3:27:08)
You just separate those out of the consent Yes. yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:08 - 3:27:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:27:08 - 3:27:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:08 - 3:27:09)
that's not a problem.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:09 - 3:27:12)
We can do it as a separate agenda item as opposed to consent.

[Speaker 12] (3:27:12 - 3:27:13)
Perfect.

[Speaker 10] (3:27:13 - 3:27:13)
Perfect.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:13 - 3:27:14)
Just wanted a clarification.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:15 - 3:27:15)
Very good.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:16 - 3:27:22)
Slide board reports and comments. Oh, so before we go here,

[Speaker 1] (3:27:22 - 3:27:23)
slide

[Speaker 1] (3:27:25 - 3:27:32)
board liaisons, what generally we have done in the past is if

[Speaker 1] (3:27:33 - 3:27:38)
Shannon, if you could send a list out of the currently held liaison positions,

[Speaker 1] (3:27:38 - 3:27:41)
the ones that are open now because Doug and David no longer hold them.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:42 - 3:27:50)
What I would ask from each of the select board members is to get back to Shannon maybe your top three that you would like to participate in.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:50 - 3:27:58)
We will do our best to accommodate everybody's top one, hopefully top two, maybe top three depending on how the dice rolls.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:59 - 3:28:19)
Um my request for the boards and committees that I were on this year because they took the chair role and it was a lot of work to take on the chair role I was less available for the boards and committees I was on so I would ask that I rotate so that they are not getting the short end of the stick again next year and that some other non

[Speaker 1] (3:28:38 - 3:28:57)
Um I took on, so that's fine. Um but would just ask that we try to respect the boards and rotate in somebody who's a little bit more able to be um more engaged than I was last year on these uh the the boards and committees I was on. Um so Shannon if you wouldn't mind ni or

[Speaker 2] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:57 - 3:28:58)
I think if you could remind

[Speaker 3] (3:28:58 - 3:29:01)
So will you put just put you'll see a list of what who was on it

[Speaker 1] (3:29:01 - 3:29:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:02 - 3:29:03)
and then who opening

[Speaker 1] (3:29:03 - 3:29:06)
Yeah, just so you have all the information when you're ranking like

[Speaker 1] (3:29:06 - 3:29:17)
Like for example, you know if I've been, if Danielle's been rec for however long and rec's your number one and like we'll try to do the best we can to rotate around.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:19 - 3:29:25)
But want to make sure that every boarding committee is getting like the best person for them

[Speaker 3] (3:29:25 - 3:29:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:25 - 3:29:26)
out of the five of us.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:26 - 3:29:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:26 - 3:29:32)
Into that and two I guess we need to look at um members' terms expiring on each committee,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:32 - 3:29:32)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (3:29:32 - 3:29:32)
because

[Speaker 3] (3:29:32 - 3:29:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:33 - 3:29:33)
that's also

[Speaker 4] (3:29:33 - 3:29:35)
that'll come up end of June.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:35 - 3:29:42)
So we need to know if there are any open seats or you know each committee you know who's expiring if we were a re-appointment.

[Speaker 5] (3:29:42 - 3:29:43)
Have the boards been notified?

[Speaker 6] (3:29:45 - 3:29:54)
So it is a work in progress right now. My hope is that on the seventeenth you're gonna have a lot sooner than that for June to know which ones are open.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:54 - 3:29:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:29:54 - 3:29:58)
Um I think I just got three who just resigned. I'll sign

[Speaker 1] (3:29:58 - 3:29:59)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59)
here.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:59 - 3:30:00)
I know So there's one on Poet Laureate and

[Speaker 6] (3:30:00 - 3:30:00)
yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:00 - 3:30:01)
one on ConCom.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:02 - 3:30:04)
Yep, and then there's a few others that I've gotten as well.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:04 - 3:30:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:05 - 3:30:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:06 - 3:30:07)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:30:07 - 3:30:08)
One of the terms on ConCom.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:11 - 3:30:11)
Are they a year?

[Speaker 4] (3:30:11 - 3:30:14)
Are they a year? Is the

[Speaker 1] (3:30:14 - 3:30:14)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (3:30:14 - 3:30:14)
Zoning

[Speaker 1] (3:30:14 - 3:30:14)
all of them.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:14 - 3:30:15)
Separation Commission yearly?

[Speaker 1] (3:30:15 - 3:30:16)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (3:30:16 - 3:30:16)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:30:16 - 3:30:16)
know, but

[Speaker 4] (3:30:16 - 3:30:16)
know.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:16 - 3:30:17)
I think it's three,

[Speaker 1] (3:30:17 - 3:30:18)
two,

[Speaker 1] (3:30:18 - 3:30:18)
one maybe.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:19 - 3:30:20)
I'll take a look at what Diane has.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:21 - 3:30:27)
She does have a spreadsheet from her time, though there's been a lot that have resigned,

[Speaker 6] (3:30:27 - 3:30:28)
so it's

[Speaker 4] (3:30:28 - 3:30:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:28 - 3:30:32)
just going back and confirming with the chairs of who is still participating.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:33 - 3:30:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:33 - 3:30:36)
Roughly how many active committees do we have?

[Speaker 4] (3:30:36 - 3:30:38)
Almost 20, I

[Speaker 6] (3:30:38 - 3:30:38)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:30:38 - 3:30:38)
think.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:38 - 3:30:38)
think they say over

[Speaker 4] (3:30:38 - 3:30:38)
15

[Speaker 6] (3:30:38 - 3:30:39)
20.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:39 - 3:30:39)
or so.

[Speaker 7] (3:30:40 - 3:30:42)
And I think there's more than that listed on the website

[Speaker 4] (3:30:42 - 3:30:43)
There's

[Speaker 3] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
as

[Speaker 7] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
right

[Speaker 3] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
there's

[Speaker 7] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
there.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
51

[Speaker 4] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
much.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:43 - 3:30:44)
listed on

[Speaker 7] (3:30:44 - 3:30:44)
That

[Speaker 3] (3:30:44 - 3:30:44)
the website

[Speaker 7] (3:30:44 - 3:30:44)
are not

[Speaker 4] (3:30:44 - 3:30:44)
that yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:30:44 - 3:30:44)
added,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:44 - 3:30:45)
that was

[Speaker 4] (3:30:45 - 3:30:45)
yeah, so many.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:45 - 3:30:48)
So just to let everybody know, I did deactivate

[Speaker 4] (3:30:48 - 3:30:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:48 - 3:30:49)
that site today.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:49 - 3:30:49)
What?

[Speaker 6] (3:30:49 - 3:31:04)
Um we are hoping to um launch something after town meeting. Our focus right now is on town meeting and making sure that it goes off with success. So after town meeting you'll be seeing something brand new.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:05 - 3:31:08)
And we will have, I think, my vacancy from Harvard

[Speaker 4] (3:31:08 - 3:31:08)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:08 - 3:31:09)
Waterfront to fill.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:09 - 3:31:11)
Correct. And I did talk likewise to Miss Williams

[Speaker 3] (3:31:11 - 3:31:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:31:11 - 3:31:11)
today.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:11 - 3:31:11)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:11 - 3:31:12)
Oh, perfect.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:12 - 3:31:12)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:12 - 3:31:13)
Great, great.

[Speaker 4] (3:31:14 - 3:31:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:14 - 3:31:15)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:16 - 3:31:20)
Um so that will be on the the June first June agenda.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:20 - 3:31:21)
Second June.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:21 - 3:31:21)
Second June agenda.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:21 - 3:31:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:31:22 - 3:31:23)
June seventeenth.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:24 - 3:31:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:27 - 3:31:31)
Great. Does anybody have any selec board reports or comments?

[Speaker 4] (3:31:32 - 3:31:48)
Um, I d I do have uh well, a couple things. One is, I want to thank uh Emiliano and Danielle and Joe for running the show tonight. I wanna recognise um the accident of uh Kevin Treanor, Trooper Kevin Treanor.

[Speaker 4] (3:31:48 - 3:32:03)
And um I wanna give an update on the c my committee for retirement committee. Retirement committee had brought in new advisors this year and their returns on their retirement in the first quarter have been really excellent.

[Speaker 8] (3:32:03 - 3:32:03)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:03 - 3:32:15)
So they've also been working to clear up some issues with uh data entry that affected the police department and that seems to be working its way through. Um you know they're just doing a really

[Speaker 4] (3:32:15 - 3:32:19)
Great job, and we we're on target of being um

[Speaker 4] (3:32:19 - 3:32:22)
being completed by twenty thirty one. Right?

[Speaker 3] (3:32:23 - 3:32:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:24 - 3:32:26)
Right so I think as long

[Speaker 1] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
He

[Speaker 4] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
as

[Speaker 1] (3:32:26 - 3:32:28)
doesn't know he doesn't get paid for it anymore.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:28 - 3:32:28)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:28 - 3:32:29)
Just kidding.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:29 - 3:32:30)
No he's he's

[Speaker 1] (3:32:30 - 3:32:32)
I'm just kidding, I'm just joking.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:32 - 3:32:42)
Right. Um and uh so also I want to uh thank I want to thank um Mr Patsios, Mr Godfrey.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:43 - 3:32:48)
for running. That took a lot of work. I mean we all know what it takes to run in the select board race.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:49 - 3:32:52)
And I want to thank Mr. Spritz and Mr. Dooley.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:53 - 3:32:56)
I really swear I'm the happiest person in Swampscott that you are here tonight.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:57 - 3:32:58)
And I want to thank you.

[Speaker 4] (3:32:58 - 3:33:00)
And I wish you the best.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:00 - 3:33:01)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:03 - 3:33:03)
Danielle, anything?

[Speaker 4] (3:33:04 - 3:33:11)
No, I just want to congratulate Wayne and Ted and look forward to working with both of you. I think it's going to be great. I can already feel it. So thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:12 - 3:33:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:14 - 3:33:15)
I just have one comment.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:18 - 3:33:22)
In thinking about what I volunteered for in the beginning of this meeting which was to be chair again,

[Speaker 1] (3:33:22 - 3:33:30)
I'm going to try my best to be more to allow you all to be more helpful this year than last year.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:31 - 3:33:44)
It wasn't easy and I was just learning the ropes about what chair meant and how it worked and we had a new TA and lots of changes and so this year I'm hopeful that we can spread this out a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:44 - 3:34:03)
bit and the burden isn't just uh mine alone and in doing so it will actually prepare all of us to take this role on should we need to. Um so that's my help as chair this year and I'm sure it will be great and thank you for all entrusting me with that um with that role. Appreciate it.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:03 - 3:34:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:04 - 3:34:04)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:05 - 3:34:05)
All

[Speaker 4] (3:34:05 - 3:34:05)
And

[Speaker 1] (3:34:05 - 3:34:06)
right.

[Speaker 4] (3:34:06 - 3:34:12)
Patrick what I forgot one thing Patrick congratulations on your contract I'm glad you're here you're doing a great job so

[Speaker 7] (3:34:13 - 3:34:14)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:14 - 3:34:17)
Oh. Alright, shall we motion to adjourn?

[Speaker 4] (3:34:18 - 3:34:19)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:19 - 3:34:20)
Second?

[Speaker 7] (3:34:20 - 3:34:21)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:21 - 3:34:21)
All in favour?

[Speaker 7] (3:34:22 - 3:34:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:22 - 3:34:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:22 - 3:34:23)
Aye. Thank you everyone.

[Speaker 6] (3:34:23 - 3:34:25)
Can you all see me 'cause I need to