[Speaker 1] (17:27 - 17:50)
Okay, thank you. Okay, so we're here for the Tuesday, May 26, 2026 meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals and now being after 7 p.m. We have a hybrid meeting and we will start with approving past meeting minutes we have from three meetings that were presented.

[Speaker 1] (17:51 - 17:54)
We have a motion to approve the meeting minutes.

[Speaker 1] (17:54 - 17:56)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (17:56 - 17:56)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (17:56 - 18:17)
Okay, so it's unanimous. And the next matter is petition 2604 by Jeff Tucker for 11 Eulo Street for relief to permit um modifications of an ex of a existing dwelling unit uh to expand the attic space.

[Speaker 1] (18:20 - 18:20)
Hello?

[Speaker 3] (18:44 - 18:45)
Can you hear us, Jeff?

[Speaker 4] (18:48 - 18:49)
Ah, yes. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (18:51 - 18:51)
Hi, Jeff.

[Speaker 4] (18:52 - 18:53)
Bye.

[Speaker 1] (18:55 - 19:00)
So do you want to tell us a little bit about the petition?

[Speaker 4] (19:01 - 19:05)
I think Emily Baron is there for my office.

[Speaker 4] (19:05 - 19:05)
She

[Speaker 1] (19:05 - 19:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (19:06 - 19:08)
should be able to go through it. I'm just here for questions as well.

[Speaker 1] (19:09 - 19:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (19:09 - 19:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (19:18 - 19:20)
to make it more accommodating.

[Speaker 5] (19:21 - 19:29)
And so what we came up with was to raise the ridge a bit and add some dormers to get some more functional space on the attic floor.

[Speaker 5] (19:30 - 19:34)
We did do the calculations of the half story,

[Speaker 5] (19:35 - 19:47)
which gets us to 702 square feet of the max that's allowed. But our proposed plan is 902 square feet, so we are asking for relief for.

[Speaker 5] (19:48 - 19:50)
the extra two hundred and square two hundred

[Speaker 1] (19:50 - 19:53)
So my my question is about the nine hundred and two calculation.

[Speaker 2] (20:05 - 20:10)
to make sure that the your calculation has the area that is considered.

[Speaker 2] (20:12 - 20:28)
living area so I believe it's under from the state building code I looked it up a little while ago is seven feet. That's how if there's any of the area that's under seven feet we wouldn't count it as part of the livable area that you would be expanding. So I'm wondering if you might be meet this.

[Speaker 3] (20:28 - 20:33)
You'll get you'll get some square footage lot, but it's only like

[Speaker 3] (20:33 - 20:35)
Can can can around the dormers.

[Speaker 4] (20:35 - 20:39)
It's not a lot. Yeah, we we took that out of the calculation.

[Speaker 3] (20:39 - 20:40)
Already at

[Speaker 4] (20:40 - 20:40)
seven Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (20:40 - 20:40)
feet.

[Speaker 4] (20:40 - 20:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (20:40 - 20:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (20:40 - 20:42)
Okay, so I just wanted to make sure that.

[Speaker 3] (20:44 - 20:47)
What vehicle do we have to give them dimensional relief for that?

[Speaker 2] (20:47 - 20:58)
So the way our board has treated it in the past is that we don't have a mechanism to give dimensional relief to vary.

[Speaker 2] (21:01 - 21:11)
the limitation on a third story. So it would be a variance that would be needed, which is an extraordinarily hard burden to meet.

[Speaker 2] (21:16 - 21:22)
And I was just thinking about you've got, so there's existing living space there.

[Speaker 2] (21:23 - 21:27)
I mean the thing is if it were expanded to 702.

[Speaker 2] (21:29 - 21:30)
It would be permitted,

[Speaker 2] (21:30 - 21:36)
I don't even know if you need zoning relief for the 702, because everything's,

[Speaker 4] (21:36 - 21:37)
Right, it's

[Speaker 2] (21:37 - 21:37)
you

[Speaker 4] (21:37 - 21:37)
in

[Speaker 2] (21:37 - 21:37)
would

[Speaker 4] (21:37 - 21:37)
form.

[Speaker 2] (21:37 - 21:37)
maybe,

[Speaker 2] (21:38 - 21:39)
you need a finding by the building inspector,

[Speaker 2] (21:39 - 21:42)
so 702 can be done as of right.

[Speaker 2] (21:43 - 21:45)
The question is the other 200 feet.

[Speaker 2] (21:46 - 21:50)
I believe it's a variance. I don't think we can do it by special permit,

[Speaker 2] (21:50 - 21:53)
and I'm not sure if anybody has any other thoughts about that.

[Speaker 2] (21:55 - 21:58)
I think it's a really nice project, I'd love to be able to get to Yes on it, but

[Speaker 2] (21:59 - 22:02)
Does anybody have any other thoughts about that?

[Speaker 3] (22:02 - 22:11)
It's just a bit I think you gotta s go around the perimeter and trim a couple of feet here and there, see what you can do.

[Speaker 2] (22:13 - 22:14)
Any other?

[Speaker 5] (22:14 - 22:15)
To the bedrooms.

[Speaker 2] (22:15 - 22:16)
I'm sorry?

[Speaker 5] (22:16 - 22:19)
Or just take it out of the bedrooms. You know, you've got a couple feet at the dormer.

[Speaker 5] (22:20 - 22:26)
I know we wanna, you know, it seems like the intent is to have it in line with the um exterior wall, but

[Speaker 5] (22:28 - 22:30)
probably right. easiest route.

[Speaker 6] (22:33 - 22:37)
If I could mention, by the way, we actually did that exercise. This is Jeff Tucker.

[Speaker 6] (22:37 - 22:46)
Um we actually did do a buy right scheme and it was so squeezed uh I mean that's obviously we we tested it at the smaller size.

[Speaker 6] (22:47 - 23:00)
Uh just given where the stair is and where the chimneys are, uh we kinda couldn't ba could not make that work. Um so we definitely hear you, but uh again it became a a very uh tiny bit of uh footprint on the roof.

[Speaker 2] (23:02 - 23:05)
I just wanted to write they got such a big stairway that for

[Speaker 2] (23:06 - 23:10)
Goes there. I'm just wondering about that definition of story.

[Speaker 5] (23:18 - 23:24)
What is to the left of the stair square footage calculation? Since it isn't just mechanical access.

[Speaker 6] (23:26 - 23:30)
We could, it did not get us all the way down to 702 though.

[Speaker 5] (23:30 - 23:30)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (23:30 - 23:31)
But yeah, we can certainly trim that.

[Speaker 6] (23:33 - 23:35)
That was bringing some light into the stair,

[Speaker 6] (23:35 - 23:35)
but

[Speaker 5] (23:35 - 23:36)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (23:36 - 23:38)
currently there is a stair in that location.

[Speaker 5] (23:38 - 23:39)
sorry,

[Speaker 5] (23:39 - 23:46)
Jeff, I was I was asking the board if if we would have to necessarily calculate that as livable square footage.

[Speaker 2] (23:46 - 23:48)
About about the stairway?

[Speaker 5] (23:48 - 23:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (23:48 - 23:49)
That's what I was wondering.

[Speaker 2] (23:49 - 23:50)
I was just looking at the definition.

[Speaker 7] (23:51 - 23:52)
Like In a bust.

[Speaker 2] (23:52 - 23:54)
the bylaw of story, that portion of a building,

[Speaker 5] (23:54 - 23:56)
In the TAC unit that's within the

[Speaker 2] (23:56 - 24:02)
including basements, cellars, garages, storage areas, et cetera, contained between any floor and the floor

[Speaker 4] (24:02 - 24:04)
It didn't only just

[Speaker 2] (24:04 - 24:05)
or roof next above it,

[Speaker 2] (24:06 - 24:10)
the lowest level of a building, including basements, cellars, that's

[Speaker 4] (24:10 - 24:10)
I think he's

[Speaker 2] (24:10 - 24:12)
that's the lowest level that's not

[Speaker 4] (24:12 - 24:12)
It's not.

[Speaker 2] (24:12 - 24:13)
applicable here.

[Speaker 4] (24:15 - 24:18)
I mean he said even if you do take that out, it still doesn't get the memory.

[Speaker 5] (24:18 - 24:18)
Yeah, yeah,

[Speaker 4] (24:18 - 24:18)
I can't but picture

[Speaker 5] (24:18 - 24:19)
I think it's

[Speaker 7] (24:19 - 24:20)
what that's even looking like.

[Speaker 5] (24:23 - 24:26)
Well, as you come down the stair, there's an ledge here.

[Speaker 4] (24:26 - 24:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (24:26 - 24:28)
That ledge is giving you access to that HVAC.

[Speaker 2] (24:28 - 24:32)
Would one the only thing I could think of that you could do is if you could add

[Speaker 2] (24:34 - 24:36)
a four hundred square feet on the second floor.

[Speaker 3] (24:38 - 24:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (24:38 - 24:39)
Seriously, that would permit it.

[Speaker 2] (24:40 - 24:43)
Right, then you'd have another four hundred, it be fifty percent.

[Speaker 2] (24:45 - 24:47)
Because you have so much room dimensionally.

[Speaker 3] (24:47 - 24:49)
Have walls. Right.

[Speaker 2] (24:50 - 25:13)
You're you're fine on all your setbacks everything except for lot area and you know I know the neighborhood your large homes in the neighborhood I don't think adding I mean that's that's one way of doing without a variance in my opinion does anybody have any thoughts about that if they added part of their project 400 square feet on floor two they

[Speaker 4] (25:13 - 25:14)
V as of right, correct?

[Speaker 2] (25:14 - 25:17)
could do it at the 400 square feet they could do as of right

[Speaker 2] (25:18 - 25:18)
And

[Speaker 3] (25:18 - 25:19)
Where

[Speaker 2] (25:19 - 25:19)
then

[Speaker 3] (25:19 - 25:19)
would

[Speaker 2] (25:19 - 25:19)
they could

[Speaker 3] (25:19 - 25:19)
you add add that?

[Speaker 2] (25:19 - 25:20)
then they could have the

[Speaker 3] (25:20 - 25:21)
Is that feasible?

[Speaker 4] (25:21 - 25:22)
So on

[Speaker 5] (25:22 - 25:22)
larger

[Speaker 4] (25:22 - 25:22)
the second

[Speaker 5] (25:22 - 25:22)
study.

[Speaker 4] (25:22 - 25:23)
floor on the

[Speaker 3] (25:23 - 25:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (25:23 - 25:23)
right.

[Speaker 3] (25:23 - 25:24)
right second floor

[Speaker 4] (25:24 - 25:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (25:25 - 25:26)
on the right over the the

[Speaker 4] (25:26 - 25:26)
The

[Speaker 3] (25:26 - 25:27)
Oh

[Speaker 4] (25:27 - 25:27)
courtyard.

[Speaker 3] (25:27 - 25:29)
over the um the kitchen addition.

[Speaker 3] (25:30 - 25:30)
There you go.

[Speaker 3] (25:31 - 25:32)
Is that on a full foundation?

[Speaker 4] (25:33 - 25:35)
Yes it is my fourth foundation. And you

[Speaker 6] (25:35 - 25:36)
There

[Speaker 4] (25:36 - 25:36)
can bring

[Speaker 6] (25:36 - 25:36)
are

[Speaker 4] (25:36 - 25:36)
that.

[Speaker 6] (25:36 - 25:43)
there are those porches that we did not count, right? There's open air porches that flank the building if you look at the rendering on the first page.

[Speaker 2] (25:43 - 25:46)
Right, they don't they don't count unless enclosed.

[Speaker 6] (25:46 - 25:46)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (25:47 - 25:49)
Would a pergola help us there?

[Speaker 2] (25:50 - 25:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (25:50 - 25:51)
If you p

[Speaker 6] (25:51 - 25:51)
If we

[Speaker 2] (25:51 - 25:51)
No,

[Speaker 6] (25:51 - 25:52)
if we were to put those

[Speaker 2] (25:52 - 25:52)
no,

[Speaker 6] (25:52 - 25:52)
there with

[Speaker 2] (25:52 - 25:53)
it need to

[Speaker 6] (25:53 - 25:53)
pergola

[Speaker 2] (25:53 - 25:53)
be covered.

[Speaker 6] (25:53 - 25:53)
then

[Speaker 2] (25:53 - 25:54)
It would need to be,

[Speaker 8] (25:54 - 25:54)
Living

[Speaker 2] (25:54 - 25:55)
I think it needs

[Speaker 8] (25:55 - 25:55)
area,

[Speaker 2] (25:55 - 25:55)
to be living area

[Speaker 8] (25:55 - 25:56)
heated

[Speaker 2] (25:56 - 25:56)
enclosed.

[Speaker 8] (25:56 - 25:58)
windows,

[Speaker 8] (25:58 - 25:58)
that's

[Speaker 2] (25:59 - 26:01)
But that's one thing to consider.

[Speaker 8] (26:01 - 26:01)
a design.

[Speaker 2] (26:01 - 26:12)
I think that's the really the two choices are that it's it's reduced to the 702 and no relief. We you would just need a finding from the building inspector.

[Speaker 2] (26:13 - 26:29)
or adding 400 square feet making it bigger might seem counter-intuitive for the zoning board to gest that, but quite frankly I see that as an option that you could do that would make it legally compliant.

[Speaker 5] (26:29 - 26:29)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (26:30 - 26:31)
I miss what you said about the building inspector.

[Speaker 2] (26:32 - 26:32)
I'm sorry?

[Speaker 4] (26:33 - 26:35)
I miss what you said about the building inspector.

[Speaker 2] (26:35 - 26:37)
Uh b I have a hearing issue, I will thank you.

[Speaker 4] (26:37 - 26:40)
The building i inspector did you say something about

[Speaker 4] (26:40 - 26:41)
I missed that part.

[Speaker 2] (26:42 - 26:44)
Oh, that you could you could have

[Speaker 2] (26:45 - 26:57)
just a it could be done perhaps just by a finding that the the building inspector I believe he has the jurisdiction to award uh to give you a building permit. So if you went in with a plan, that then

[Speaker 3] (26:58 - 26:59)
Just because you put them on the annex list.

[Speaker 5] (26:59 - 27:01)
They're gonna have to redo the roof anyway.

[Speaker 3] (27:02 - 27:02)
Doesn't it?

[Speaker 2] (27:03 - 27:05)
If you then you're fifty percent of the floor below.

[Speaker 8] (27:05 - 27:05)
That's graffiti.

[Speaker 2] (27:06 - 27:07)
So if you put

[Speaker 3] (27:07 - 27:07)
It's

[Speaker 2] (27:07 - 27:07)
if you put

[Speaker 3] (27:07 - 27:07)
fifty

[Speaker 2] (27:07 - 27:08)
it that

[Speaker 3] (27:08 - 27:10)
percent of the floor that you're on, or the floor below.

[Speaker 2] (27:11 - 27:13)
You compare it so the the

[Speaker 4] (27:13 - 27:13)
Doesn't

[Speaker 2] (27:13 - 27:13)
third

[Speaker 4] (27:13 - 27:13)
sound

[Speaker 2] (27:13 - 27:13)
the

[Speaker 4] (27:13 - 27:13)
that

[Speaker 2] (27:13 - 27:14)
third

[Speaker 4] (27:14 - 27:14)
bad.

[Speaker 2] (27:14 - 27:20)
or the second two and a half that can be fifty percent of the floor immediately below so if you increase

[Speaker 3] (27:20 - 27:20)
Alright, so you

[Speaker 2] (27:20 - 27:20)
the

[Speaker 3] (27:20 - 27:22)
rip that off. Okay,

[Speaker 2] (27:22 - 27:29)
If you okay. added 400 square feet that would let you put up another 200 on that and it would still be a half story on our definition

[Speaker 3] (27:32 - 27:34)
Just added 150,000 to their project.

[Speaker 4] (27:34 - 27:34)
Right, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (27:34 - 27:35)
Oh yeah, the way

[Speaker 6] (27:35 - 27:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (27:35 - 27:36)
there was the way things

[Speaker 4] (27:36 - 27:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (27:36 - 27:41)
right. Well or you could shrink it, it'd be a little less of the budget if you get a choice.

[Speaker 9] (27:41 - 27:46)
It well, we we did look at a smaller plan and honestly it doesn't save any

[Speaker 9] (27:48 - 27:48)
Interview.

[Speaker 2] (27:48 - 27:49)
Right, you don't save any money.

[Speaker 9] (27:49 - 27:49)
We don't save any money.

[Speaker 2] (27:49 - 27:51)
Right, you're taking the roof off your

[Speaker 9] (27:51 - 27:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (27:51 - 27:55)
Well, the roof of the of the studies coming off anyway, correct?

[Speaker 9] (27:55 - 28:01)
Um it does need modification and I was gonna take out the skylights anyway.

[Speaker 5] (28:02 - 28:03)
So figure study.

[Speaker 9] (28:04 - 28:05)
Bigger study.

[Speaker 9] (28:08 - 28:09)
Interesting proposal.

[Speaker 4] (28:09 - 28:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (28:11 - 28:14)
That's so that's I dunno if anybody else has any other comments about

[Speaker 2] (28:15 - 28:17)
the petition or if there are any questions

[Speaker 4] (28:17 - 28:17)
In

[Speaker 2] (28:17 - 28:17)
that

[Speaker 4] (28:17 - 28:18)
this bedroom?

[Speaker 2] (28:18 - 28:22)
that the applicant has, Jeff has?

[Speaker 4] (28:22 - 28:23)
Funny shaped bedroom.

[Speaker 9] (28:24 - 28:24)
Ready?

[Speaker 2] (28:25 - 28:28)
Because I'm thinking what we could do is we could continue it to our next meeting.

[Speaker 9] (28:29 - 28:29)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 2] (28:29 - 28:36)
You might be if you if you're able to make modifications to your plan that the building inspector can just approve, you may not need to come back here,

[Speaker 4] (28:36 - 28:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (28:36 - 28:39)
including my suggestion of the 400 square feet.

[Speaker 2] (28:41 - 28:42)
And

[Speaker 2] (28:42 - 28:50)
If you need to come back here, you'd already be noticed and advertised and ready to go for relief that we I need to give you.

[Speaker 6] (28:50 - 28:59)
Well to be able to be clear, the only reason we would come back to you is to actually seek a variance, right, because there's no other relief being offered here. We've already been through planning board.

[Speaker 6] (28:59 - 29:02)
So we don't really need you zone

[Speaker 2] (29:02 - 29:02)
You I

[Speaker 6] (29:02 - 29:02)
board

[Speaker 2] (29:02 - 29:03)
don't think

[Speaker 6] (29:03 - 29:03)
for

[Speaker 2] (29:03 - 29:03)
you're

[Speaker 6] (29:03 - 29:03)
what

[Speaker 2] (29:03 - 29:03)
going to we need

[Speaker 6] (29:03 - 29:03)
need

[Speaker 2] (29:03 - 29:03)
relief.

[Speaker 6] (29:03 - 29:04)
either. Right.

[Speaker 2] (29:05 - 29:07)
Just in case the building inspector thinks different then.

[Speaker 2] (29:08 - 29:15)
You or I think we would keep you on our agenda so that you don't have to re-advertise and re-notice.

[Speaker 6] (29:16 - 29:30)
We did reach out to him at the very beginning of this project to find out what the rules were here, and it was our impression from him that this is a special permit and not a variance. Obviously we try to avoid variances any time we can.

[Speaker 2] (29:31 - 29:33)
Yeah, I do see it as

[Speaker 2] (29:34 - 29:37)
As a variance, I don't see it as a special permit. I don't know if anybody else

[Speaker 4] (29:38 - 29:39)
No, I agree.

[Speaker 4] (29:39 - 29:41)
When I reviewed all this before,

[Speaker 4] (29:41 - 29:44)
I was struggling to come up with a way to say yes.

[Speaker 2] (29:45 - 29:49)
And I take close attention to it because the house right next door to me has the half story.

[Speaker 2] (29:53 - 29:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (29:53 - 29:58)
and uh but he was permitted to to have that half story.

[Speaker 1] (30:01 - 30:04)
And I've seen a uh a bunch of other ones over the years.

[Speaker 1] (30:06 - 30:10)
So that would be my thought on it. So would you would you want to continue to our next

[Speaker 3] (30:11 - 30:11)
Can I ask a

[Speaker 1] (30:11 - 30:11)
absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (30:11 - 30:17)
question? So what you're saying is is that if

[Speaker 3] (30:18 - 30:29)
um if I push forward with the plan as is I need a variance and you're saying getting that variance is not

[Speaker 1] (30:29 - 30:30)
Really really really difficult standard.

[Speaker 3] (30:30 - 30:31)
it's really difficult.

[Speaker 1] (30:32 - 30:40)
We've I can count on one hand in the twenty years I've been on this board, how many variances we've given. Probably about five.

[Speaker 3] (30:40 - 30:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (30:40 - 30:48)
And you need to have a reason for it, so y you need to have an unusually shaped lot that wouldn't that would make it so hard for you to comply

[Speaker 3] (30:48 - 30:49)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1] (30:49 - 30:53)
or some other hardship. And

[Speaker 3] (30:53 - 30:54)
So

[Speaker 1] (30:55 - 30:59)
it it's it would I don't see that we'd be able to get to a variance on

[Speaker 1] (31:00 - 31:15)
on uh increasing the to permit a larger story, half story, more than a half story. So I don't I don't see a variance as a is a viable way to get there.

[Speaker 1] (31:15 - 31:19)
I see that because you have a generously sized lot

[Speaker 3] (31:20 - 31:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (31:20 - 31:23)
area that there's an alternative which

[Speaker 1] (31:25 - 31:27)
would permit it it it may seem

[Speaker 3] (31:27 - 31:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (31:28 - 31:33)
strange, but that would I think permit it. So I think though you have the two choices. It sounds like the seven oh two is

[Speaker 4] (31:33 - 31:35)
So kind you can knock down the second eight or

[Speaker 5] (31:35 - 31:38)
Just redo everything.

[Speaker 6] (31:39 - 31:43)
If I can ask, um I I know this is like splitting hairs, but it might actually solve it.

[Speaker 6] (31:43 - 31:54)
If you notice that overhang is really deep. Um I can't remember how deep it is, but it's certainly an excess of eighteen inches, which is your standard for um uh for like a cornice.

[Speaker 6] (31:54 - 32:00)
Given the fact that it's extra deep, does that possibly buy us extra square footage, particularly over those porches?

[Speaker 1] (32:03 - 32:07)
I I think it's just a calculation of what is the living area below.

[Speaker 1] (32:08 - 32:18)
And I don't think I don't think that would include any of it. I I mean it could be as simple as closing it in and making one of the areas a screen porch.

[Speaker 6] (32:19 - 32:19)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (32:19 - 32:21)
Price enclosed.

[Speaker 1] (32:21 - 32:23)
I think that would meet our definition.

[Speaker 6] (32:24 - 32:26)
Right, it doesn't have to be heated and cooled and

[Speaker 1] (32:26 - 32:26)
I

[Speaker 6] (32:26 - 32:26)
be right

[Speaker 1] (32:26 - 32:28)
don't think it needs to be heated or cooled, in my opinion.

[Speaker 6] (32:30 - 32:30)
Got it.

[Speaker 5] (32:30 - 32:40)
What I'm saying oh, this do change I mean not our jurisdiction, but do change these changes that we're talking about for the second floor impact the planning board and the decisions they made?

[Speaker 4] (32:40 - 32:42)
Yeah, then now they get 900 square feet and

[Speaker 4] (32:43 - 32:44)
fifty square feet

[Speaker 1] (32:44 - 32:44)
They

[Speaker 4] (32:44 - 32:44)
or

[Speaker 1] (32:44 - 32:45)
right they

[Speaker 4] (32:45 - 32:50)
a hundred they've now been building twelve hundred square feet new don't they have to go to the planning board for over eight hundred?

[Speaker 1] (32:50 - 32:52)
You may need to go back to

[Speaker 5] (32:52 - 32:52)
You

[Speaker 1] (32:52 - 32:52)
planning

[Speaker 5] (32:52 - 32:52)
do,

[Speaker 1] (32:52 - 32:52)
board

[Speaker 5] (32:52 - 32:52)
to

[Speaker 1] (32:52 - 32:53)
with

[Speaker 5] (32:53 - 32:53)
go

[Speaker 1] (32:53 - 32:53)
a modified

[Speaker 5] (32:53 - 32:53)
back, okay.

[Speaker 1] (32:53 - 32:56)
plan if if you're triggered

[Speaker 1] (32:58 - 33:01)
Is that does that trigger it if it was 1,200 square feet in total?

[Speaker 6] (33:02 - 33:02)
We had

[Speaker 4] (33:02 - 33:02)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (33:02 - 33:03)
already triggered it

[Speaker 5] (33:03 - 33:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (33:04 - 33:04)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (33:04 - 33:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (33:04 - 33:05)
you trigger it on the nine hundred.

[Speaker 1] (33:05 - 33:08)
right so but you got it now you if you made changes

[Speaker 4] (33:08 - 33:09)
Over nine hundred.

[Speaker 4] (33:09 - 33:11)
S yeah, but then I have a problem with

[Speaker 1] (33:11 - 33:19)
They're not gonna have a problem with it, they gi they gave the rel relief subject to ours I don't think they'll have any problem. It's really just trying to comply with the zoning limitation.

[Speaker 7] (33:21 - 33:29)
Right, I'll have to to double check if they'll need to go back, but I'll I'll be in touch if that's something um if you change it, that would need to go back and get approval again.

[Speaker 1] (33:30 - 33:32)
Well I'm just I'm wondering if you could um

[Speaker 1] (33:33 - 33:34)
if they would administratively

[Speaker 1] (33:35 - 33:39)
Let do it as an amen where it's an as of right

[Speaker 1] (33:40 - 33:42)
addition to the second floor.

[Speaker 7] (33:42 - 33:48)
Right. If it's less than four hundred square feet, then it could just be a um a approved by the building commissioner.

[Speaker 1] (33:48 - 33:51)
Yeah. Yep. Okay. 'Cause I already got it approved.

[Speaker 5] (33:51 - 33:52)
Yep. So this

[Speaker 1] (33:52 - 33:52)
So

[Speaker 5] (33:52 - 33:52)
is exactly.

[Speaker 1] (33:52 - 33:57)
to get to the building yeah I think you'd be okay. Just another four hundred, you've already gotten approval for those

[Speaker 5] (33:57 - 33:57)
Oh. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (33:57 - 33:57)
nine hundred.

[Speaker 1] (34:03 - 34:05)
so any other questions for us

[Speaker 5] (34:05 - 34:06)
Um,

[Speaker 5] (34:07 - 34:17)
so if we are able to make the dormer more sloped so it is under the 7-3 for a portion of it, we can cut all that out too, right?

[Speaker 1] (34:18 - 34:20)
you can cut all that out as well in the calculation,

[Speaker 1] (34:20 - 34:21)
so that's another way

[Speaker 5] (34:21 - 34:21)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (34:21 - 34:24)
of looking to do it. So that's what they did next to me

[Speaker 5] (34:24 - 34:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (34:24 - 34:26)
on Frone Road,

[Speaker 1] (34:27 - 34:28)
they had um

[Speaker 1] (34:30 - 34:36)
They have dormers that are very steep, but a lot of the area is under the seven three and

[Speaker 5] (34:36 - 34:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (34:36 - 34:37)
they didn't count.

[Speaker 5] (34:37 - 34:39)
So we can try to do that as much as

[Speaker 3] (34:39 - 34:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (34:39 - 34:39)
we can too.

[Speaker 1] (34:40 - 34:41)
Yeah, so

[Speaker 1] (34:43 - 34:46)
Uh what what do we have for a date on the June meeting?

[Speaker 1] (34:49 - 34:51)
Do we have any other petitions yet?

[Speaker 7] (34:51 - 34:55)
We have two petitions for the June meeting. Today was actually the deadline.

[Speaker 7] (34:56 - 34:59)
Um and I believe it's on the sixteenth, well let me double-check.

[Speaker 1] (35:04 - 35:05)
Yeah, I have it on my calendar.

[Speaker 7] (35:05 - 35:06)
Ju June sixteenth.

[Speaker 5] (35:07 - 35:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (35:08 - 35:12)
Okay, so we'd ask you to sign a continuance to June sixteenth.

[Speaker 1] (35:13 - 35:18)
And um is that what you would like to do? To continue to that date? And if you don't need to come back, you don't

[Speaker 5] (35:18 - 35:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (35:19 - 35:19)
just

[Speaker 5] (35:19 - 35:20)
I mean, we'll just do it just

[Speaker 1] (35:20 - 35:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (35:21 - 35:31)
So that right if we do that I would just want to open and close the public hearing really quickly just because that's why we noticed for public hearing if we do

[Speaker 1] (35:31 - 35:31)
You

[Speaker 7] (35:31 - 35:31)
want to

[Speaker 1] (35:31 - 35:31)
want

[Speaker 7] (35:31 - 35:31)
continue

[Speaker 1] (35:31 - 35:32)
to open up.

[Speaker 7] (35:32 - 35:35)
tonight yeah open

[Speaker 1] (35:36 - 35:37)
Wait, so I'm lost.

[Speaker 1] (35:38 - 35:39)
You want us to do what with the public hearing?

[Speaker 7] (35:40 - 35:46)
and close it really fast because it was noticed for tonight and then we would continue another one

[Speaker 1] (35:47 - 35:49)
Well, I would like to keep the public hearing open.

[Speaker 7] (35:50 - 35:55)
Right, right, I meant like we would just need to open it and then close it to continue it.

[Speaker 1] (35:55 - 35:55)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (35:55 - 35:55)
But not

[Speaker 1] (35:55 - 35:55)
right.

[Speaker 7] (35:55 - 35:55)
close

[Speaker 1] (35:55 - 35:56)
So it'll

[Speaker 7] (35:56 - 35:56)
it forever.

[Speaker 1] (35:56 - 35:57)
be on our agenda.

[Speaker 7] (35:57 - 35:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (35:57 - 36:00)
We would open it on the six, if they didn't need relief,

[Speaker 1] (36:00 - 36:01)
we could open it, just

[Speaker 7] (36:01 - 36:02)
Gotcha, okay.

[Speaker 1] (36:02 - 36:03)
let them withdraw,

[Speaker 1] (36:03 - 36:05)
because they don't need the relief.

[Speaker 1] (36:06 - 36:07)
And if they need the relief,

[Speaker 1] (36:07 - 36:07)
we

[Speaker 7] (36:07 - 36:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (36:07 - 36:11)
put our public hearing open and we can continue and then close it, right?

[Speaker 1] (36:13 - 36:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (36:14 - 36:17)
So do I have a motion to continue to June 16th?

[Speaker 5] (36:18 - 36:18)
Finally.

[Speaker 3] (36:18 - 36:18)
Oh my.

[Speaker 1] (36:19 - 36:20)
A second?

[Speaker 4] (36:20 - 36:21)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (36:21 - 36:22)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (36:22 - 36:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (36:22 - 36:22)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (36:23 - 36:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (36:24 - 36:24)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (36:24 - 36:26)
So, alright good luck

[Speaker 3] (36:26 - 36:26)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (36:26 - 36:26)
with the project.

[Speaker 3] (36:26 - 36:27)
Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (36:27 - 36:27)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (36:35 - 36:36)
And that's it for what we have, right?

[Speaker 7] (36:36 - 36:38)
Yeah, motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 1] (36:38 - 36:41)
Motion to adjourn. So moved. All in favor? Aye.

[Speaker 7] (36:41 - 36:42)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (36:42 - 36:42)
Bye

[Speaker 3] (36:42 - 36:43)
Mm-hmm.