[Speaker 1] (3:28 - 3:29)
Good evening, everyone.

[Speaker 1] (3:30 - 3:31)
We'll call our meeting to order.

[Speaker 1] (3:32 - 3:39)
Please remember we are being recorded and we will, if we, I think we have some Girl Scouts here. Do you guys want to rise and help us say the pledge? Do you mind?

[Speaker 2] (3:40 - 3:41)
I feel like.

[Speaker 1] (3:41 - 3:42)
Do you want to come up?

[Speaker 1] (3:44 - 3:45)
Come on up.

[Speaker 2] (3:45 - 3:46)
We can do that pledge too.

[Speaker 2] (3:47 - 3:47)
Come over to them.

[Speaker 1] (3:56 - 3:59)
If we turn this pot, there you go. You guys are already doing very well.

[Speaker 1] (4:08 - 4:09)
All right, y'all

[Speaker 2] (4:09 - 4:09)
Somebody's

[Speaker 1] (4:09 - 4:09)
ready?

[Speaker 2] (4:09 - 4:09)
got to go.

[Speaker 1] (4:12 - 4:16)
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

[Speaker 1] (4:17 - 4:19)
and to the Republic for which it stands,

[Speaker 1] (4:19 - 4:25)
one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 3] (4:25 - 4:26)
Great job.

[Speaker 4] (4:26 - 4:27)
Oh, great job.

[Speaker 4] (4:32 - 4:33)
The Boy Scouts never sounded that loud.

[Speaker 1] (4:40 - 4:45)
All right, we will begin this evening with the town administrators report.

[Speaker 5] (4:46 - 4:48)
Thank you and good evening.

[Speaker 5] (4:48 - 4:55)
I'll provide a brief update about operations in town in light of the stacked public hearings and everyone else I'll try to be as quick as possible.

[Speaker 5] (4:56 - 4:58)
First I wanted to give an update on the HR front.

[Speaker 5] (4:59 - 5:05)
We said goodbye to Christy Raposo as the Customer Service Supervisor last week.

[Speaker 5] (5:05 - 5:15)
She is moving on to Linfield to be the assistant town accountant where she will be joining Dave Castellarin who has worked here in town in the past so they've known each other for a while and we wish her well.

[Speaker 5] (5:16 - 5:23)
We posted that position as soon as we heard that she was gonna be moving on and we've had a number of qualified candidates and actually

[Speaker 5] (5:24 - 5:31)
extended and had accepted an offer this afternoon for her replacement, so I anticipate introducing that individual at our next meeting.

[Speaker 5] (5:31 - 5:33)
We're working on start date and that type of thing right now.

[Speaker 5] (5:34 - 5:40)
As you know, this team is a critical part of us providing high level customer service, so we're looking forward to having it fully staffed soon.

[Speaker 5] (5:40 - 5:42)
In that same vein,

[Speaker 5] (5:42 - 5:51)
we're interviewing for a new customer service rep to join the team that will also be in that office and anticipate having that team member join very shortly as well.

[Speaker 5] (5:52 - 6:04)
Recently with the changes in staff I wanted to particularly thank Liam and Jean who have done a fantastic job along with a lot of others helping by sort of playing out a position in town hall and supporting the customer service office.

[Speaker 5] (6:05 - 6:12)
That's been a busy beach sticker season among other things so we really appreciate everyone's effort and sort of playing outside their normal roles.

[Speaker 5] (6:12 - 6:21)
Um in addition to that we have the impending retirement of Heidi at the senior center so we've posted that position as well and we've had a number of really qualified candidates that we're excited about.

[Speaker 5] (6:21 - 6:35)
We begin the interview process with the first round of those interviews next week um and hopefully we'll be moving forward shortly and we'll have more to report on that as well. At the library we're in we're currently searching for a new reference and adult programming director.

[Speaker 5] (6:36 - 6:55)
An interview has been ongoing there as well with Marianne and Jonathan. So again, we're looking forward to welcoming a new member. And then finally at DPW we are in the final stages of the interview process for a new MEO with an offer anticipated at the beginning of next week there as well following in retirement.

[Speaker 5] (6:56 - 6:58)
I wanted to give a brief update also on Hadley.

[Speaker 5] (6:59 - 7:02)
We've been having continuing conversations with the team at Alamar.

[Speaker 5] (7:03 - 7:08)
They've been in the building regularly working with Max and others to get access as they move forward in their plans.

[Speaker 5] (7:08 - 7:11)
And we just received their design drawings coming into Marzi's office.

[Speaker 5] (7:12 - 7:17)
We anticipate having Dixon join us on the 17th to walk through those with all of you as well.

[Speaker 5] (7:17 - 7:20)
So we'll be sharing those in the coming weeks.

[Speaker 5] (7:21 - 7:22)
On the Hawthorne front.

[Speaker 5] (7:22 - 7:24)
Which I know we'll be discussing in greater detail later.

[Speaker 5] (7:25 - 7:29)
I wanted to highlight that as the team there is continuing their preparation work on the site,

[Speaker 5] (7:29 - 7:36)
it's important that residents anticipate that parking restrictions will be returning to that property in the near future.

[Speaker 5] (7:36 - 7:39)
In order to safely prepare and then to operate the building,

[Speaker 5] (7:39 - 7:42)
we anticipate that the tenants will be placing restrictions on access and parking,

[Speaker 5] (7:42 - 7:45)
similar to what's been in place previously.

[Speaker 5] (7:45 - 7:51)
They'll be appropriately signing it in advance to allow for some education prior to any enforcement,

[Speaker 5] (7:51 - 7:54)
but it's something that I wanted to share with you all in the community at large tonight as well.

[Speaker 5] (7:55 - 8:19)
Uh finally wanted to provide a quick update on Cedar Hill Terrace, which we've discussed at I think the last two meetings or two out of the last three. Uh we had a very productive meeting with Marzi, myself and Gino on the team at Four Seasons. We went over their permit that had been approved by the ZBA a few years back which talks about limits on their parking on the streets and also talks about a parking plan that was accepted as part of it on their property that limits the number of vehicles that are allowed.

[Speaker 5] (8:20 - 8:31)
They're reviewing that with their attorneys and others, but it was a very productive and good discussion. It's one that they had wanted to engage with the town over time, and they had actually approached the DPW team who is

[Speaker 5] (8:32 - 8:58)
hashed the bottom of Cedar Hill at this point and painted and thanked them for doing that because it was not only them but other businesses whose customers were parking in those spots and causing you know real safety concerns for them as well as Jean or counted it to me the guys were anticipating that when someone came out of there to speak to them it was not going to be a pleasant conversation and instead they came out and said thank you for doing that it's something that will really benefit not just the people of

[Speaker 5] (8:58 - 9:01)
that live up the residential street but also all the businesses at the bottom.

[Speaker 5] (9:02 - 9:04)
The two additional things that remain there,

[Speaker 5] (9:04 - 9:10)
the vegetation management has not yet occurred. It's been on the work plan for DPW for about a week now.

[Speaker 5] (9:10 - 9:11)
Gino said it would be done tomorrow.

[Speaker 5] (9:12 - 9:16)
I would say to you all it will be done in the next week to allow a little bit of wiggle room there.

[Speaker 5] (9:16 - 9:26)
And we also anticipate adding a no parking signage at the bottom of the street to allow for enforcement in the future because the hashed alone is not enough if we are to, you know, sort of.

[Speaker 5] (9:27 - 9:39)
Step up enforcement for parking the hash paint is not enough to uh allow for any ticketing in the future. So that's one other thing that folks can anticipate. There'll be a sign on each side that that says no parking. Uh and with that I'm happy to answer any questions that folks may have.

[Speaker 4] (9:43 - 9:46)
No, great work on on Cedar Hill, getting it done.

[Speaker 6] (9:47 - 9:54)
Well, I just wanted to know so we have you run over the library and what you need at town hall. Where are we with police and fire? Are they at their staffing levels?

[Speaker 5] (9:54 - 9:56)
Uh fire has one vacancy left,

[Speaker 6] (9:56 - 9:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (9:56 - 9:59)
and we are in the process of negotiating a

[Speaker 1] (10:01 - 10:11)
potential changes to the process of bringing in um that qualified candidates at the beginning. So we're working on whether we'll move forward immediately or wait until we get a little f a little further down the road on C_B_A_

[Speaker 2] (10:11 - 10:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (10:12 - 10:14)
and police I believe we are

[Speaker 1] (10:14 - 10:15)
fully staffed there, we're we have

[Speaker 1] (10:16 - 10:18)
I want to say three that are in Academy.

[Speaker 1] (10:19 - 10:23)
Might just be two at this point, but I can get back to you with the exact details on that.

[Speaker 3] (10:23 - 10:31)
Okay, in the future can you get us information on what's going on with the steering committee? And what's happening with Stacy Brooke?

[Speaker 1] (10:32 - 10:33)
The steering committee for?

[Speaker 3] (10:33 - 10:34)
Stacy Brooke.

[Speaker 1] (10:34 - 10:36)
Yes, absolutely. I'm happy to provide more info.

[Speaker 4] (10:38 - 10:40)
Do we have confirmation that our

[Speaker 4] (10:42 - 10:46)
Water Steward Advisory Committee now has a member on the Lynn Steering Committee.

[Speaker 1] (10:46 - 10:50)
So the steering committee that meets that is organized by the mayor's office,

[Speaker 1] (10:50 - 10:56)
I've been sharing it with both Kelly from Water Sewer Advisory and George, who I think I saw in here,

[Speaker 1] (10:56 - 11:05)
from Board of Health as well and make sure that they're on it. I've requested that they get added to the invites, but instead to this point I've been sending it and forwarding it to them as soon

[Speaker 4] (11:05 - 11:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (11:05 - 11:07)
as I perfect. get it. And I believe the one that we did.

[Speaker 1] (11:08 - 11:20)
Yesterday was it? Well, that was two days ago. Um that was one where we got it to the m as well. It was sort of late notice. So we're working on improving the the communication on that front, but I get it to them as soon as I had it.

[Speaker 4] (11:20 - 11:22)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (11:24 - 11:25)
Great. Seeing no additional comments

[Speaker 1] (11:25 - 11:26)
I've got one

[Speaker 4] (11:26 - 11:26)
I'll

[Speaker 1] (11:26 - 11:26)
other comment

[Speaker 4] (11:26 - 11:27)
just hand it actually. over to Keith.

[Speaker 1] (11:27 - 11:33)
Um you brought up the parking restrictions for the Hawthorne lot, which um I think would, you know

[Speaker 1] (11:33 - 11:48)
played into the conversation we had about uh Cedar Hill and our last meeting we talked about parking enforcement on Humphrey Street and the number of citations that were issued this year. Can we kind of every so often get an update on parking enforcement, the number of citations that are being given out? I think that

[Speaker 5] (11:48 - 11:51)
May spur further conversations amongst the board about enforcement.

[Speaker 1] (11:52 - 12:00)
Sure. I'm happy to to do that. One conversation I have had uh with the chief and Captain Cable, which is not fully baked. The only reason we haven't talked about it

[Speaker 5] (12:00 - 12:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (12:00 - 12:06)
is looking at the way residential parking is enforced town-wide to make sure that it is as appropriately enforced and

[Speaker 5] (12:06 - 12:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (12:06 - 12:10)
provides the opportunities necessary in the areas where we need them, uh as can be,

[Speaker 1] (12:10 - 12:16)
so it's something that we will come back to you with perfect new thoughts for you all and recommendations for you all to make decisions on. But

[Speaker 1] (12:16 - 12:19)
done, but happy to talk about enforcement in sort of a regular ongoing basis.

[Speaker 5] (12:19 - 12:40)
Yeah. I just think w if we instill some of those Hawthorne parking regulations back, I was casually counting the cars there last week when I had to park there and there was close to 60 cars. Um I would imagine there's gonna be a spillover effect onto our parking availability on Humphrey street and surrounding areas. So we'd I just think it would be helpful for the board to be um mindful of that and kind of monitoring these side effects of that.

[Speaker 1] (12:40 - 12:41)
Yeah. Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (12:41 - 12:44)
Yeah, and given beach season is starting, hopefully,

[Speaker 4] (12:45 - 13:09)
eventually one of these weekends we'll be able to go to the beach so if we could also have them designate like particular areas where enforcement is sort of being maintained because I know around the beaches we've had quite a few issues with parking on the wrong side of the street where the signage is and you know when tickets are issued and how often and all that so if we could

[Speaker 4] (13:10 - 13:13)
Just make sure we're proactive for each season of that.

[Speaker 1] (13:13 - 13:13)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (13:13 - 13:18)
You know the other thing with um I think it's Ocean, Ocean Ave.

[Speaker 3] (13:18 - 13:35)
Um when we first changed the parking on Ocean we were told by Pete Kane that there was significant amount of room to be able to have parking on both sides. Can you ask somebody to double check that, because there isn't significant uh room on both sides, and that might have to get adjusted.

[Speaker 1] (13:36 - 13:36)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (13:38 - 13:53)
I think my last question D_P_W_ and I think a consultant spent the last couple weeks repairing, rebuilding the it's not a boat launch, but the where the commercial fishermen kind of the used to access their prams and their acts, and they did a phenomenal job.

[Speaker 5] (13:54 - 13:55)
It looks beautiful, they did a real good job.

[Speaker 5] (13:56 - 14:03)
Um but it might be helpful to consider talking to um our friends on the Harbor Waterfront Committee about some signage there, 'cause that is not a boat ramp.

[Speaker 3] (14:04 - 14:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (14:04 - 14:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (14:04 - 14:05)
And it's not designed to be a boat ramp,

[Speaker 5] (14:06 - 14:14)
but there is a lot of people saying that's a really nice boat ramp. So we don't I bring that up because we want to just make sure that it is um used appropriately for the intended use.

[Speaker 1] (14:15 - 14:15)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (14:16 - 14:19)
But Gino and team did a really good job fixing it. It looks great.

[Speaker 1] (14:20 - 14:21)
Can I add one other thing?

[Speaker 4] (14:21 - 14:22)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (14:22 - 14:26)
It's my daughter's thirteenth birthday and I told her that I would mention that tonight, so happy birthday to Clara.

[Speaker 6] (14:26 - 14:26)
Aww.

[Speaker 3] (14:26 - 14:26)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (14:26 - 14:27)
Oh, happy birthday,

[Speaker 3] (14:27 - 14:28)
Clara, oh happy birthday,

[Speaker 4] (14:28 - 14:28)
Clara.

[Speaker 3] (14:28 - 14:28)
Clara.

[Speaker 4] (14:28 - 14:31)
Yeah. Shout out. Oh, Clara, she is

[Speaker 3] (14:31 - 14:31)
Town of

[Speaker 4] (14:31 - 14:31)
mortified.

[Speaker 3] (14:31 - 14:32)
Swampscott wishes

[Speaker 1] (14:32 - 14:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (14:32 - 14:33)
you happy birthday.

[Speaker 5] (14:34 - 14:35)
Proclamation time.

[Speaker 6] (14:35 - 14:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (14:35 - 14:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (14:36 - 14:36)
We don't I we definitely

[Speaker 3] (14:36 - 14:37)
should have don't had need a proclamation

[Speaker 1] (14:37 - 14:40)
that. I had it as a note at the top and somehow I just

[Speaker 7] (14:40 - 14:40)
No.

[Speaker 1] (14:40 - 14:41)
skipped right over it. So

[Speaker 4] (14:41 - 14:43)
Oh, don't now you just admitted it to Clara.

[Speaker 4] (14:45 - 14:50)
All right. So we will move on to public comment then. Public comment we will limit to three minutes.

[Speaker 4] (14:51 - 14:54)
Ask Nick if you wouldn't mind keeping the time.

[Speaker 4] (14:54 - 14:55)
Please state your name, your address.

[Speaker 4] (14:56 - 14:59)
Public comment is for anything on the agenda that is not a public hearing.

[Speaker 4] (15:00 - 15:04)
So if you're here to talk about ERAC, then you can talk about it during that.

[Speaker 4] (15:04 - 15:06)
And if you're here to talk about the liquor license,

[Speaker 4] (15:06 - 15:07)
we will take public comment during that.

[Speaker 4] (15:08 - 15:10)
All the other topics are public comment is right now.

[Speaker 4] (15:12 - 15:15)
Please rise and let us hear your comments. Please, Brian.

[Speaker 8] (15:27 - 15:28)
Happy birthday to your daughter.

[Speaker 8] (15:28 - 15:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (15:29 - 15:32)
I know tonight is not this

[Speaker 4] (15:32 - 15:34)
Just say your name and your act. Just in case people don't know you.

[Speaker 8] (15:34 - 15:35)
Oh, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 8] (15:35 - 15:36)
Brian Watson,

[Speaker 8] (15:36 - 15:37)
20 Oak Road.

[Speaker 8] (15:38 - 16:05)
Um I know tonight is not it's like doesn't anticipate a long and deep discussion about substantive issues uh regarding the Horton and and I'm so I'm not gonna comment on any substantive issue right now. Um I just wanted to say that prior to a future meeting when that might become on the agenda I wanted to say that there are a number of us uh from the Horton committee and a few not from the committee who have been closely following the process um those include myself

[Speaker 8] (16:05 - 16:16)
Jim Smith, John Bohn, and Don Giard. Don Giard was a planner who came and spoke to us and advised us for one meeting. We would like to say that we hope to continue participating,

[Speaker 8] (16:16 - 16:23)
both through discussion of the material in the committee report and by discussing other issues too with the select board.

[Speaker 8] (16:24 - 16:27)
Our committee did produce a lot of useful information,

[Speaker 8] (16:27 - 16:31)
which we think will be helpful to the select board and the town.

[Speaker 8] (16:31 - 16:37)
And which can help, importantly, which can help in organising the discussion about R_F_P_ content.

[Speaker 8] (16:38 - 16:42)
It won't necessarily be an easy discussion to organise that material.

[Speaker 8] (16:43 - 16:58)
One of the things our committee did do well, we did some things badly, but one of the things we did well over that ten month process was to s was to establish a really good and useful framework for uh discussing the the various site plans and the various issues, and there are many issues.

[Speaker 8] (16:57 - 16:58)
issues.

[Speaker 8] (16:58 - 17:01)
And it helped us to stay organized many times.

[Speaker 8] (17:02 - 17:24)
The framework identified and established explicit criteria and goals that kept our discussions manageable. When our discussions digressed too far into tangents, we could use our explicit criteria and the goals to sort of reel us back in. It was a way to try and keep discipline. You remember our committee was 12 people. It was not always easy to keep a discipline and a focused discussion.

[Speaker 8] (17:24 - 17:28)
caution. But the explicit criteria were really a useful uh tool.

[Speaker 8] (17:29 - 17:46)
Um we were then not always, I used to say we're not at the mercy of our own opinions all the time. Uh the criteria can really be good yardsticks. Um it's also good for transparency and fairness and public participation. Everybody can see what the rules are. Everybody can see what the goals are. So everybody can play.

[Speaker 8] (17:48 - 17:58)
When the selectboard takes up discussion of what substance goes into the R_F_P_ again, explicit criteria and goals will help immensely to organise the selection of what goes in the R_F_P_

[Speaker 8] (17:58 - 17:59)
Jim, John,

[Speaker 8] (18:00 - 18:00)
Don,

[Speaker 8] (18:00 - 18:00)
and myself,

[Speaker 8] (18:00 - 18:01)
and a couple others,

[Speaker 8] (18:02 - 18:07)
are willing to help with the RFP substance and discussions. That's, I like to say that's two lawyers,

[Speaker 8] (18:07 - 18:08)
one architect,

[Speaker 8] (18:08 - 18:27)
and a town planner, so that's not too bad. Uh we all have considerable experience both in writing RFPs and in replying to RFPs. Um there are at least ten or twelve fairly important issues that the Hawthorne committee identified as needing resolution before an RFP could be written. They were things we either disagreed

[Speaker 8] (18:26 - 18:44)
you know we disagreed among ourselves about but they were just things that needed more fleshing out and and the four of us and a couple others would welcome the opportunity to collaborate with the select board to help create a good RFP process and then there thereby a good RFP thank you thank you

[Speaker 4] (18:44 - 18:45)
Thank you, Brian.

[Speaker 4] (18:46 - 18:48)
Anybody else for public comments?

[Speaker 4] (18:59 - 19:00)
Rachel, Tara Dash,

[Speaker 4] (19:00 - 19:00)
Katie,

[Speaker 4] (19:00 - 19:01)
Carol,

[Speaker 4] (19:01 - 19:05)
I, both of Stanley Road, but here on behalf of Big Blue Bargains,

[Speaker 4] (19:05 - 19:07)
155 North MacAsp.

[Speaker 4] (19:07 - 19:08)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (19:08 - 19:10)
Many of you know this,

[Speaker 4] (19:10 - 19:17)
but Big Blue Bargains opened February 2025 in the Clark Court of Bulls. In our first year,

[Speaker 4] (19:17 - 19:21)
we invested $20,000 back into the Swampscott community.

[Speaker 9] (19:22 - 19:23)
On our one-year anniversary,

[Speaker 9] (19:23 - 19:27)
we were lucky enough to be able to move into the Clark Building.

[Speaker 9] (19:27 - 19:28)
Since then,

[Speaker 9] (19:28 - 19:33)
we've invested $31,000 back into the Swanscot community.

[Speaker 9] (19:34 - 19:34)
So.

[Speaker 9] (19:38 - 19:42)
Most recently, we've given $10,000 to the Senior Center,

[Speaker 9] (19:42 - 19:44)
$5,000 to Anchor Food Pantry,

[Speaker 9] (19:45 - 19:47)
$2,000 to Seaglass Village,

[Speaker 9] (19:47 - 19:49)
$1,000 to Fund Sora,

[Speaker 9] (19:49 - 19:50)
her upkeep.

[Speaker 9] (19:51 - 19:54)
Uh nineteen hundred dollars for two benches through the Swamp Scott Commission

[Speaker 1] (19:55 - 20:01)
$2,700 to the preschool to continue the music and movement class for next year.

[Speaker 1] (20:01 - 20:08)
That's $31,000 in the past three months and just over $60,000 since we opened in February of 2025.

[Speaker 2] (20:08 - 20:09)
Awesome.

[Speaker 1] (20:09 - 20:10)
As a reminder,

[Speaker 1] (20:10 - 20:12)
we are 100% volunteer run.

[Speaker 1] (20:13 - 20:16)
All of our proceeds go to running the store and back into the community.

[Speaker 1] (20:17 - 20:19)
In addition to our monetary contributions,

[Speaker 1] (20:20 - 20:22)
we've sponsored programming at the library,

[Speaker 1] (20:22 - 20:26)
distributed gift cards to community partners including the Senior Center,

[Speaker 1] (20:26 - 20:26)
schools,

[Speaker 1] (20:27 - 20:28)
charity organizations,

[Speaker 1] (20:28 - 20:32)
and local health care offices to be given out to community members in need.

[Speaker 1] (20:33 - 20:37)
We also have an ongoing partnership with the Discovery Point program at the Swampscott High School.

[Speaker 1] (20:38 - 20:47)
We're excited to announce that we will be opening a free store in the portables this Saturday June 6th from 9 to 11.

[Speaker 1] (20:48 - 20:56)
We're looking forward to meeting the needs of some of our most vulnerable community members while offering them the ability to shop with dignity for clothing,

[Speaker 1] (20:56 - 20:57)
housewares and toys.

[Speaker 1] (20:58 - 21:00)
So we're here tonight to share out our nations,

[Speaker 1] (21:00 - 21:04)
but also to thank all of our volunteers, shoppers, donors,

[Speaker 1] (21:04 - 21:06)
and the town for our space and clerk.

[Speaker 1] (21:07 - 21:18)
Obviously more space means we have a bigger impact and we appreciate you reaching out and we look forward to continuing the conversation about how we can work together on the 16th. So thank you.

[Speaker 3] (21:27 - 21:28)
Anybody want to follow that up?

[Speaker 4] (21:29 - 21:29)
No.

[Speaker 3] (21:32 - 21:37)
Guess not. All right, we will move on then to uh old and new business.

[Speaker 5] (21:37 - 21:38)
That's someone's got this.

[Speaker 3] (21:38 - 21:39)
Oh no, sorry, please.

[Speaker 3] (21:42 - 21:45)
No, can you please approach the mic, 'cause the folks at home will want to hear you.

[Speaker 1] (21:48 - 21:50)
I wanted to comment about.

[Speaker 6] (22:01 - 22:02)
permit and um

[Speaker 3] (22:02 - 22:05)
So can if you could just state your name and

[Speaker 6] (22:05 - 22:05)
Oh

[Speaker 3] (22:05 - 22:05)
your address

[Speaker 6] (22:05 - 22:05)
gosh.

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and then also

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I live at 19 Essex Street.

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You may speak during the public hearing for ERAC but you can also speak now if you're more comfortable.

[Speaker 3] (22:13 - 22:16)
So there's a public hearing posted for the ERAC permit if

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you Oh,

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want to

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I

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speak.

[Speaker 6] (22:17 - 22:17)
can wait for that.

[Speaker 3] (22:17 - 22:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (22:18 - 22:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (22:18 - 22:19)
That would be great.

[Speaker 3] (22:19 - 22:21)
I will call on you then. Thank you.

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All right, so we will move on then to the reading of the Pride Proclamation.

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So it would be my honor to share with you the Pride Proclamation by the Swampscott Select Board.

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Whereas our nation and community were founded on principles of equal rights for all.

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and whereas Swampscott is committed to being an inclusive,

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welcoming community for all people regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity and recognizes that our diversity strengthens us,

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including residents who are lesbian,

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gay,

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bisexual,

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transgender,

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and questioning, and whereas the movement for equal rights for lesbian,

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gay,

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bisexual, and transgender people reached a historic turning point during June 28,

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1969 with the Stonewall Riots in New York City.

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Since then, the LGBTQ plus community has made significant progress,

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including marriage equality nationwide,

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state and federal workplace protections and the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act.

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And whereas violence against LGBTQ plus community remains a serious concern in the United States, particularly an alarming rise in violence against transgender and gender nonconforming people.

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And whereas we must stand against those who threaten the safety of LGBTQ plus residents and undermine our progress.

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We must also continue to affirm a simple truth,

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all people want to love and be loved.

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And whereas Swampscott celebrates its diverse LGBTQ plus community and remains committed to ensuring...

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equality for all residents employees and visitors and now therefore by the authority vested in the town administrator and the select board we hereby proclaim June as pride month in the town of Swampscott Massachusetts and encourage all residents to celebrate and affirm our proud and diverse LGBTQ plus community throughout the year and witness hereof we have set our hands and caused the great seal of the town of Swampscott Massachusetts to be affixed this third day of June 2026.

[Speaker 3] (24:22 - 24:23)
signed on behalf of the select board.

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We will also be sharing a Juneteenth proclamation,

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whereas Swampscott is made up of people from every nation on earth who are declared equal not only in freedom but also in justice.

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both of which are essential for a healthy human civilization and whereas our nation was conceived on July 4th 1776 with the Declaration of Independence the classic statement being we hold these truths to be self-evident that all people are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness

[Speaker 3] (25:04 - 25:11)
And whereas July 4th, 1776 represents the birth of the United States of America and commemorates the United States'

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independence from British rule,

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but did not offer independence and freedom to enslaved people.

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And whereas at 2 p.m. on New Year's Day,

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January 1st, 1863,

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using his war powers as president,

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Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation,

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providing that all enslaved people within any state or designated part of the state shall be then and henceforth and forever free. And whereas two and a half years later,

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on June 19th,

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eighteen sixty five,

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Major General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston,

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Texas,

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announcing the end of slavery,

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stating the people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States,

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all slaves are free.

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This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves,

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and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor.

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And whereas Juneteenth improves upon the nation's promise of life, liberty,

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and the pursuit of happiness,

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and whereas Juneteenth commemorates the strength and resolve of Black and African Americans throughout our history and serves as an opportunity to celebrate the rich and numerous contributions of Black and African Americans,

[Speaker 3] (26:26 - 26:30)
and whereas Juneteenth is also known as Emancipation Day, Freedom Day,

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Jubilee Day.

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cell liberation and Juneteenth Independence Day and whereas June 19th 2026 marks the 161st commemoration of Juneteenth now therefore the Swamp Scott Select Board and the town administrator do hereby proclaim June 19th 2026 as Juneteenth in Swamp Scott and we call upon all employees and residents of Swamp Scott to elect and reflect on this state's historic significance.

[Speaker 3] (26:59 - 27:09)
And witness hereof, we have set our hands and caused the great seal of the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts to be affixed this third day of June 2026 signed on behalf of the select board.

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So thank you for allowing those proclamations to be read.

[Speaker 3] (27:14 - 27:24)
And I would just like to note that in both of these proclamations, the importance of allyship and coming forward and acknowledging that although

[Speaker 3] (27:25 - 27:29)
We may feel more grounded in these ideals in our state.

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It's not nationwide and we need to continue to voice our allyship for folks who are not feeling quite as supported.

[Speaker 3] (27:40 - 27:43)
So I'm glad that we were able to do that as a board.

[Speaker 3] (27:43 - 27:44)
Thank you everyone.

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Any other comments?

[Speaker 3] (27:48 - 27:52)
All right. We will now accept.

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accept a little free library.

[Speaker 3] (27:55 - 27:58)
But from the Girl Scouts. Would you guys like to come forward?

[Speaker 7] (28:21 - 28:24)
Welcome Select Board members. We are troop seven o three five nine.

[Speaker 8] (28:28 - 28:30)
Oh, I'm Emma, I'm Emma

[Speaker 8] (28:30 - 28:30)
Krian.

[Speaker 8] (28:31 - 28:32)
I'm Grace Krian.

[Speaker 7] (28:33 - 28:34)
I'm Hannah Hawkert.

[Speaker 7] (28:36 - 28:37)
I'm Raiden Kent.

[Speaker 7] (28:37 - 28:39)
And I'm Savannah Schultz.

[Speaker 8] (28:41 - 28:43)
We are sixth graders at Somersault Middle School.

[Speaker 7] (28:52 - 28:55)
Asking permission for our surfboard, to do our surfboard.

[Speaker 7] (28:56 - 29:04)
Silver Award. A Silver Award is a project for Girl Scouts in sixth, seventh, and eighth grade that address problems in their community.

[Speaker 8] (29:08 - 29:15)
The problem in the community that we are addressing is solving is access to books to improve people's education.

[Speaker 8] (29:20 - 29:20)
We are going

[Speaker 8] (29:22 - 29:28)
To work to help solve the issue of literacy by collecting books at the farmers market and hosting story time at the farmers market.

[Speaker 7] (29:29 - 29:34)
We are trying to solve this problem by making the Little Free Libraries. This allows people to give and get books.

[Speaker 7] (29:34 - 29:44)
We want to install these libraries at Clark School and Phillips Park. We are making the Little Free Libraries and Carpentry Club after school with the help of Mr.

[Speaker 7] (29:44 - 29:46)
Lasso at SMS.

[Speaker 7] (29:46 - 29:48)
We have already spoken with Mr.

[Speaker 7] (29:49 - 29:49)
Lasso and we have

[Speaker 1] (29:52 - 29:57)
We were talking about the project on the ski bus in the winter and Charlotte Dicacia,

[Speaker 1] (29:58 - 30:03)
the head of the rec department overheard us and asked if we could make one for Clark School.

[Speaker 1] (30:05 - 30:11)
And we are also making one at Phillips Park because a lot of kids go there and we think it would be a good spot.

[Speaker 2] (30:12 - 30:17)
Uh because we are making these if you want us to paint them a specific colour, we can do that, just let us know.

[Speaker 1] (30:20 - 30:25)
We have emailed Dino Cresta at the D_P_W_ and he said that he would install them for us if you approved.

[Speaker 1] (30:28 - 30:28)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (30:29 - 30:30)
Next slide.

[Speaker 2] (30:30 - 30:34)
Okay uh thank you, we can take any questions or comments you guys have now.

[Speaker 3] (30:35 - 30:37)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (30:38 - 30:39)
Well this is a great idea.

[Speaker 4] (30:39 - 30:40)
Katie, do you have a?

[Speaker 5] (30:40 - 30:44)
If you have room left, you can shop for free at the new bargains for free.

[Speaker 2] (30:44 - 30:44)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (30:44 - 30:44)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (30:44 - 30:45)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (30:45 - 30:45)
Thank goodness.

[Speaker 3] (30:45 - 30:46)
Forever.

[Speaker 3] (30:48 - 30:49)
Amazing.

[Speaker 4] (30:50 - 31:05)
I think it's a great idea, and I definitely think we need more of the little libraries. They're so com they're so popular and there's never enough and I always want to put things in there and there's not enough room so I think we could certainly use Phillips Park. That's a really great idea. That's a good location.

[Speaker 3] (31:06 - 31:07)
This is very cool.

[Speaker 1] (31:07 - 31:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (31:09 - 31:10)
Does anybody have any questions?

[Speaker 4] (31:11 - 31:17)
Well who who who fills them and keeps them is that something you have to do too do

[Speaker 2] (31:17 - 31:18)
Yes, we would be.

[Speaker 4] (31:18 - 31:20)
you make a schedule on that like how do you organize that

[Speaker 1] (31:21 - 31:28)
We would be like checking up on them to see if they're being filled and like we would also be donating books from our house too.

[Speaker 4] (31:29 - 31:35)
Got it. And so how many silver awards are are you required to do before you go to your gold award?

[Speaker 2] (31:36 - 31:42)
Well, it's not like the amount of silver awards we do, it's the amount of people in a group.

[Speaker 2] (31:42 - 31:50)
So it's from one to four, right? One to four people, but there's five people in a troop, so we have to do two.

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So we're doing two,

[Speaker 2] (31:52 - 31:55)
but if it's like a troop of four, they just have to do one.

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Great.

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It

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And

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was

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then

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very

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what comes

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nice.

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after your silver award?

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Our gold award.

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Gold award,

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right.

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Which is

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And you're all five, you're of one troop.

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Yes.

[Speaker 4] (32:05 - 32:07)
So all five of you will go and do the gold next?

[Speaker 2] (32:08 - 32:10)
Probably if we stay in Girl Scouts.

[Speaker 6] (32:11 - 32:11)
So

[Speaker 4] (32:11 - 32:14)
Well, so are you making a commitment to staying in Girl Scouts right here

[Speaker 5] (32:14 - 32:14)
No

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on TV?

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pressure.

[Speaker 2] (32:15 - 32:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (32:17 - 32:18)
Alright, good.

[Speaker 6] (32:19 - 32:20)
How many how many will you be making?

[Speaker 2] (32:21 - 32:23)
Probably just two, because.

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We think that's a good amount for

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It's

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for the

[Speaker 1] (32:27 - 32:29)
We also have to see how much wood we have in Carpentry Club.

[Speaker 3] (32:30 - 32:31)
That's okay, got it.

[Speaker 6] (32:31 - 32:35)
When are you guys gonna start the uh farmer's market story time?

[Speaker 6] (32:37 - 32:38)
Is that a next year thing?

[Speaker 2] (32:41 - 32:46)
We yeah, we don't have a complete set date yet, but we'll hope to start them sourcing maybe.

[Speaker 6] (32:46 - 32:50)
I will be there. I've got a four-year-old who loves story time and I love dropping him off for story time. So I'll

[Speaker 4] (32:50 - 32:50)
Oh,

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be there.

[Speaker 4] (32:50 - 32:52)
you might want to negotiate that.

[Speaker 7] (32:54 - 32:55)
Great job though, this is really cool.

[Speaker 6] (32:55 - 32:55)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (32:55 - 32:57)
It's great to see you guys do this.

[Speaker 3] (32:57 - 33:10)
Yes, we very much appreciate the fact that y I mean it can be a little scary to come forward and speak in public so we appreciate how brave you guys are to do that. And um I don't know do we have to take a vote, Nick? How do we how do we handle this?

[Speaker 6] (33:11 - 33:11)
Bee why don't you take a vote

[Speaker 3] (33:11 - 33:16)
Why don't we take a vote, feels official that way. To everybody who would like to support the silver project with the Girl Scouts,

[Speaker 4] (33:16 - 33:17)
Yes. So

[Speaker 3] (33:17 - 33:19)
aye? Oh, I oh uh oh you wanna say?

[Speaker 4] (33:19 - 33:20)
Oh, I thought you wanted

[Speaker 3] (33:20 - 33:20)
Yep,

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to call

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go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (33:20 - 33:20)
like a m

[Speaker 3] (33:20 - 33:21)
You make a motion.

[Speaker 4] (33:22 - 33:25)
uh to support the Girl Scout troop in making their little libraries.

[Speaker 3] (33:26 - 33:26)
Take a second?

[Speaker 6] (33:26 - 33:26)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (33:26 - 33:27)
All in favour?

[Speaker 6] (33:27 - 33:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (33:27 - 33:31)
Aye. All right. Well, we support you and thank you very much for supporting us.

[Speaker 2] (33:31 - 33:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (33:41 - 33:41)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (33:45 - 33:46)
Okay, so

[Speaker 4] (33:46 - 33:47)
That's very cool, too.

[Speaker 3] (33:47 - 33:48)
that's actually good.

[Speaker 3] (33:48 - 33:57)
Okay, so I will take a motion to move into the joint meeting with EREC because we have to open the public hearing. So I'll take a motion to open the public hearing.

[Speaker 4] (33:57 - 33:57)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (33:58 - 33:58)
Second?

[Speaker 6] (33:58 - 33:58)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (33:58 - 33:59)
All in favour?

[Speaker 4] (33:59 - 34:00)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (34:00 - 34:00)
Aye. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (34:01 - 34:06)
EREC, you wanna are you officially having a meeting here? I think you there enough of you.

[Speaker 3] (34:09 - 34:10)
Alright.

[Speaker 3] (34:12 - 34:19)
So we are here to discuss the earth removal permit for Amrise, who some of you may know as Aggregate back in the day.

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And obviously we've had you guys before us annually for quite some time.

[Speaker 3] (34:29 - 34:37)
We will listen to the ERAC approval and then if Amrise wants to speak and then we'll take public comments. I know there's at least one person who would like to comment.

[Speaker 3] (34:39 - 34:40)
Want to take it away?

[Speaker 6] (34:42 - 34:49)
My name is Bill Carian. I am chair of the Earth Removal Advisory Committee,

[Speaker 3] (34:49 - 34:49)
There you go.

[Speaker 6] (34:49 - 34:51)
small committee.

[Speaker 6] (34:51 - 34:58)
I'm here with our members Tony Bandrewitz and John Picarello and members, representatives from Amrizer here,

[Speaker 6] (34:58 - 35:00)
Jared Temple and Chris Drukas.

[Speaker 6] (35:01 - 35:16)
Each year now we come to the board with a proposed recommended permit for AmRise. The process is that we recommend and the select board approves, and that's what we're doing now.

[Speaker 6] (35:18 - 35:27)
AMRI submits their application for a permit on March 31st and we have whatever time we can take to go over it.

[Speaker 6] (35:27 - 35:33)
Each year we come with amendments to the permit and they're primarily focused on streamlining language,

[Speaker 6] (35:33 - 35:34)
clarifying language,

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consolidating language.

[Speaker 6] (35:37 - 35:43)
There's very little that's substantive in what we do.

[Speaker 6] (35:45 - 35:54)
A little bit prevented from doing that because of the litigation that took place not too long ago where there was a settlement agreement relative to blast limits and blast parameters.

[Speaker 6] (35:54 - 35:56)
So we we don't touch those at all.

[Speaker 6] (35:57 - 36:14)
But in other respects we do look at the permit to see what works and what doesn't work and then and if we can come up with a better way to do that and when we do meeting the members of ERAQ do have ideas we routinely discuss them with AmRise because we may say some

[Speaker 6] (36:13 - 36:42)
say something works should work well then they'll say well there's a reason why it won't so in in some respects it's new ideas are collaborative to what what we try to establish is what we're what's our goal here and then how best we how best we can get there you did receive in your packages both the the recommended permit as well as two memorandum one outlines the changes that we're proposing the other is specific to the slick

[Speaker 6] (36:42 - 36:44)
Select board and the town administrator,

[Speaker 6] (36:44 - 36:55)
and focuses on sections where you're mentioned and we make recommendations to remove you from being mentioned,

[Speaker 6] (36:55 - 36:57)
which might sound like a power grab,

[Speaker 6] (36:57 - 36:59)
but it's not. And...

[Speaker 6] (37:00 - 37:09)
And in that memorandum, it's also included as all the areas where the select board and the town administrator are retained.

[Speaker 6] (37:09 - 37:11)
And I think on balance,

[Speaker 6] (37:11 - 37:15)
they are much more critical decisions than that we've eliminated.

[Speaker 6] (37:16 - 37:17)
It's primarily notice.

[Speaker 6] (37:17 - 37:20)
And the simplest one was,

[Speaker 6] (37:20 - 37:25)
is it really necessary that the select board be given notice when the wheel wash is down?

[Speaker 6] (37:26 - 37:29)
It's stuff like that. And it also keeps in mind that.

[Speaker 6] (37:29 - 37:59)
that if I think historically the select board has not directly communicated with the MRIs or the quarry operators they've typically gone through us and and historically if you have questions or you have interest or demands you go through ERAC so I don't think removing the select board from certain parts where you're giving where you might be given notice is changes the role and changes the relationship

[Speaker 6] (37:59 - 38:01)
relationship between ERAC and the Select Board.

[Speaker 6] (38:04 - 38:17)
Beyond that, I suppose I could go through these, but I'm not sure you want I mean you you want me to I will, but I'd much rather have um received questions. Um the only

[Speaker 6] (38:18 - 38:25)
We are going to present a final draft of this permit recommendation for your vote on the 17th.

[Speaker 6] (38:25 - 38:37)
And there's always something that comes up either a change that you folks desire or we find typos and we find other little little discrepancies that need to be cleaned up.

[Speaker 6] (38:37 - 38:45)
But I will also say that the the permit that you receive or the recommendation that you receive.

[Speaker 6] (38:45 - 38:50)
receive on the 17th will not include the signatures of the Board of Health.

[Speaker 6] (38:51 - 38:53)
That's a change from the past.

[Speaker 6] (38:53 - 38:59)
Board of Health signatures have been on but there's really nobody knows why they were put on.

[Speaker 6] (38:59 - 39:01)
The earth removal

[Speaker 6] (39:02 - 39:15)
By law is Article 13 of the general bylaws and nowhere in there is there a requirement that the Board of Health sign off on EREC permits, whether it's a quarry or otherwise.

[Speaker 6] (39:16 - 39:22)
So I did speak with the Board of Health Chair and let her know that this is what I was going to tell you tonight.

[Speaker 6] (39:23 - 39:24)
And so.

[Speaker 6] (39:25 - 39:28)
I just wanted to alert you to that, so it's not a surprise.

[Speaker 6] (39:29 - 39:34)
So take any questions, if I can answer them. We have plenty of people here who have... we can.

[Speaker 3] (39:36 - 39:44)
Um so I do have an email from Gargi from uh this is not on behalf of the Board of Health because the Board of Health has not meant to discuss this topic they

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 40:00)
They hopefully will meet between now and the 17th so that they can come forward with any additional commentary before we talk about it on the 17th and filter that back through ERAC. But I just wanted to read from the email Gargi requested because she couldn't be here tonight.

[Speaker 1] (40:02 - 40:08)
So I spoke to Joe Marcarian last evening. He informed me that Article 13 does not state that the Board of Health has any authority to sign on the MRIs permit.

[Speaker 1] (40:08 - 40:11)
After speaking to him, I did review the article and the MRIs permit.

[Speaker 1] (40:11 - 40:15)
While I admit I have not fully understood the Board's role to this point,

[Speaker 1] (40:15 - 40:20)
I want to point out a few concerns I see when reviewing the article and the permit that is going ahead of the Select Board tonight.

[Speaker 1] (40:20 - 40:24)
When reviewing the Earth Removal By-law particularly Section 3 and 14,

[Speaker 1] (40:24 - 40:30)
I believe the Board of Health should formally discuss its intended role and authority in the earth removing.

[Speaker 1] (40:30 - 40:31)
permitting process.

[Speaker 1] (40:31 - 40:33)
So they're going to sit down and talk about that.

[Speaker 1] (40:34 - 40:56)
Section three states that no permit may be granted if earth removal operations would endanger public safety or adversely affect residents health and quality of life or harm groundwater surface water wetlands or other environmental resources and these are matters that fall squarely within the Board of Health's expertise and responsibility. Yet the current interpretation of the bylaws suggests that the Board of Health is neither required to review the permit application

[Speaker 1] (40:55 - 41:23)
application nor grant formal authority to act on information submitted with with them this raises a fundamental question if public health and environmental impacts are central permitting criteria but the Board of Health has no meaningful role in evaluating or addressing the impacts who is responsible for making those determinations the question is reinforced by the application materials which require monitoring data and reports to be submitted to the Board of Health there are multiple places where the permit states the data reports and issues should then be directed to the

[Speaker 1] (41:23 - 41:26)
to the Board of Health. If the Board of Health lacks the authority to review,

[Speaker 1] (41:26 - 41:30)
comment on, require corrective action, or influence permit decisions based on the information,

[Speaker 1] (41:31 - 41:32)
the purpose of those reporting requirements is unclear.

[Speaker 1] (41:33 - 41:37)
Section 14 provides for the appointment of one Board of Health representative to the Iraq committee.

[Speaker 1] (41:37 - 41:46)
The Board of Health has no other formal authority under the bylaw. This appointment may be its only mechanism for raising and evaluating public health concerns during the permitting process.

[Speaker 1] (41:47 - 41:55)
According to the board, accordingly the board should carefully consider its representation and ensure its appointee is prepared to assess and advocate for public health interests.

[Speaker 1] (41:55 - 42:00)
We have not been given the opportunity to appoint someone to this committee and I do feel the Board of Health should have time to review and change.

[Speaker 1] (42:00 - 42:02)
and change their appointment if they wish.

[Speaker 1] (42:02 - 42:03)
More broadly,

[Speaker 1] (42:03 - 42:13)
the bylaw may warrant future review to determine whether the Board of Health's role is adequately defined and whether responsibility for protecting public health is matched by significant authority within the permitting process.

[Speaker 1] (42:13 - 42:16)
While I am not trying to hold up the permitting process,

[Speaker 1] (42:17 - 42:25)
I hope the select board can review this and help us as the Board of Health determine the best path forward that empowers us to do our role in protecting the public health.

[Speaker 1] (42:25 - 42:27)
Thank you for considering this and reviewing it further.

[Speaker 1] (42:27 - 42:53)
there gargi so again this is gargi's request as the chair they have not discussed as the board of health i know joe you and i had chatted briefly about um there is a board of health appointee right now but you also have an open seat so we could just if it's the recommendation of the board of health to put somebody else on that's fine for the board of health we can shift the current member to the open seat if that is your recommendation in the next meeting we can put that

[Speaker 2] (42:53 - 42:55)
It is mine. I'm fully supportive of

[Speaker 2] (42:55 - 43:00)
the Board of Health having a more direct line of communication with ERAC.

[Speaker 2] (43:01 - 43:17)
I I think it's a little premature to talk about, you know, what formal role the board of health might have. I mean, it really is gonna take a by-law change uh that to do to do that. So it's a b that's a little premature and and and I and I definitely have thoughts about that.

[Speaker 1] (43:17 - 43:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (43:17 - 43:27)
Um but uh j John is the is the board of health appointee to ERAC. He's willing to resign that position and um and

[Speaker 2] (43:28 - 43:30)
reapply to

[Speaker 1] (43:30 - 43:32)
I'm sure we have his application somewhere.

[Speaker 2] (43:32 - 43:54)
Iraq to fill the seat that is currently unopened which is a select board of appointed seat so we're happy to execute that as early as the 17th and the board of health can I know they're meeting on the 11th and they may it may well they can plan which ever way they would like to plan in that regard so

[Speaker 2] (43:55 - 44:13)
I do recognize the value of the of the Board of Health input into the issues that we deal with, but I also uh would point out that that this permit is uh seventeen pages long, it's got thirty six different sections and a couple of paragraphs. We can uh we can debate w which are pertinent to the Board of Health and which are not, but um

[Speaker 2] (44:14 - 44:41)
I would rather have them see them having greater input than to set up a circumstance where two bodies are approving our permit. That just sets up conflict, that's not good policy, that's not good government. So um th so I'm all in favour of greater input by the Board of Health. And um I would also mention that um that uh George Allen has circulated his comments after having re read our permit.

[Speaker 2] (44:41 - 44:46)
And I think those are relevant and

[Speaker 2] (44:46 - 45:00)
And over the course of time, we'd like to bring those up at our meetings and use it as a prompt to really reevaluate our entire approach to just management and just testing,

[Speaker 2] (45:00 - 45:07)
to really to talk about what are our goals here and the way we've got it set up now,

[Speaker 2] (45:07 - 45:10)
is that the best way to achieve them? And so...

[Speaker 2] (45:11 - 45:18)
Th that's good, that's gonna be on the agenda for for E-RAC as well. And I'm certain the Board of Health will be a big part of that discussion.

[Speaker 3] (45:21 - 45:26)
The the permit allows for us to tweak the permit at any point during the year, right? So

[Speaker 1] (45:26 - 45:27)
Sure does.

[Speaker 3] (45:27 - 45:28)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (45:28 - 45:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (45:28 - 45:34)
We're so that just means that on the seventeenth all we have to do is uh appoint

[Speaker 3] (45:35 - 45:40)
Once John, John resigns, we just have to make sure on the seventeenth we reappoint it John.

[Speaker 1] (45:41 - 45:47)
Yep, and then that the Board of Health comes forward with a recommendation for their appointee so that we can make sure that they're represented, right?

[Speaker 3] (45:47 - 45:48)
Yeah, theirs would just go in there.

[Speaker 1] (45:48 - 45:49)
Yep, and then um

[Speaker 3] (45:49 - 45:51)
We don't have to approve we don't approve that.

[Speaker 1] (45:53 - 45:56)
Their I don't I gue I would have I would have to look

[Speaker 3] (45:56 - 45:57)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (45:57 - 45:57)
this

[Speaker 3] (45:57 - 45:57)
think

[Speaker 1] (45:57 - 45:58)
way if we approve it or not.

[Speaker 4] (45:58 - 45:58)
appeared to the board of health.

[Speaker 1] (45:58 - 45:59)
The Board of Health appointee,

[Speaker 3] (45:59 - 45:59)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (45:59 - 45:59)
we

[Speaker 3] (45:59 - 46:00)
no.

[Speaker 1] (46:00 - 46:01)
no they just put 'em on.

[Speaker 3] (46:01 - 46:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (46:01 - 46:03)
Okay. Um so

[Speaker 1] (46:04 - 46:30)
I think what we should just be thoughtful about is this am I surprised applied for this permit in back in March and you guys have been ongoing having ongoing discussions and now we have some subject matter experts who are appointed to the Board of Health which is fantastic and we want to move in a direction of understanding and making sure that some of these things are you know taken care of where they can be but

[Speaker 1] (46:31 - 46:43)
I I guess the way we wanna understand the appetite of the board whether that needs to happen before the seventeenth or if that can happen over time because I think we wanna set up all these partners for success here in understanding what the direction is.

[Speaker 5] (46:43 - 46:44)
Can you just clarify if uh

[Speaker 6] (46:45 - 46:46)
If what needs to happen for the second ERC?

[Speaker 1] (46:46 - 46:48)
So there's some comments fr abo

[Speaker 2] (46:48 - 46:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (46:48 - 46:54)
well, so there's comments from Gargi about sort of the whole concept of how the Board of Health interplays with the permit.

[Speaker 6] (46:54 - 46:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (46:55 - 46:59)
Like is the expectation of the board that they're gonna have figure that figured out? I don't think it

[Speaker 6] (46:59 - 47:00)
I

[Speaker 1] (47:00 - 47:01)
can because the bylaws says can the bylaws

[Speaker 6] (47:01 - 47:06)
just suggest for my many years of participation as a planning board liaison to ERAC

[Speaker 6] (47:06 - 47:10)
I cannot imagine these issues will be worked out before the seventeenth even if everybody

[Speaker 7] (47:10 - 47:10)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (47:10 - 47:11)
wanted them to.

[Speaker 1] (47:11 - 47:11)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (47:11 - 47:13)
So let's not put ourselves in a position of failing

[Speaker 7] (47:13 - 47:13)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (47:13 - 47:14)
and not meeting our permit deadlines,

[Speaker 7] (47:14 - 47:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (47:15 - 47:18)
where we can edit this in the future as the by-law dictates.

[Speaker 7] (47:18 - 47:22)
Well, I'd like to give Mr. Allen an opportunity to speak.

[Speaker 7] (47:23 - 47:24)
On behalf?

[Speaker 1] (47:24 - 47:28)
Yep, I will open public comment just after we ask questions, if anybody had anything

[Speaker 7] (47:28 - 47:28)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (47:28 - 47:28)
they

[Speaker 7] (47:28 - 47:28)
I think

[Speaker 1] (47:28 - 47:29)
wanted to

[Speaker 7] (47:29 - 47:29)
so

[Speaker 1] (47:29 - 47:29)
ask about.

[Speaker 7] (47:29 - 47:33)
some of my questions are going to be pertinent relative to his comments,

[Speaker 7] (47:33 - 47:35)
relative to some of the technical pieces of it.

[Speaker 7] (47:36 - 47:45)
I think he's... I'm not looking to hold up the resolution to issue the permit. However,

[Speaker 7] (47:45 - 47:47)
he has pointed out some...

[Speaker 7] (47:48 - 48:04)
Some flaws um, particularly in paragraphs five and six that I that I have to agree that need some investigation um and uh I'm willing, you know, per if allowed for him to speak, um

[Speaker 1] (48:04 - 48:04)
Yeah, of course.

[Speaker 7] (48:04 - 48:05)
to comment on that after.

[Speaker 1] (48:05 - 48:06)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 2] (48:06 - 48:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (48:06 - 48:14)
I'd like to know what the history is in terms of participation from the Board of Health prior. Is this this is entirely a new recommendation?

[Speaker 3] (48:14 - 48:16)
Am I understanding that correctly?

[Speaker 7] (48:16 - 48:19)
Chris answered that. Chris has his local

[Speaker 8] (48:19 - 48:19)
knowledge. Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (48:21 - 48:35)
I I will say if you're addressing a question I will say that I am not receptive at all at making changes to the way the test studies are done now or the reports are done now. I think it requires more than just a discussion tonight.

[Speaker 2] (48:35 - 48:40)
I think it discuss it needs a discuss thorough discussion at this at the committee level,

[Speaker 2] (48:40 - 48:47)
not at the select board level at this point. And so I even if there was an expression of.

[Speaker 2] (48:48 - 48:56)
making changes I would advise against it because we really need to look at it more deeply. I mean this is I mean his Mr.

[Speaker 2] (48:56 - 49:05)
Allen's comments are substantive and I don't think they can be be resolved by hearing a public comment.

[Speaker 3] (49:06 - 49:06)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (49:06 - 49:06)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (49:06 - 49:07)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (49:07 - 49:07)
If

[Speaker 3] (49:07 - 49:07)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (49:07 - 49:09)
you could explain the history of the Board of Health,

[Speaker 3] (49:09 - 49:10)
Involvement

[Speaker 1] (49:10 - 49:10)
its

[Speaker 3] (49:10 - 49:11)
in the area.

[Speaker 1] (49:11 - 49:12)
relationship in this,

[Speaker 2] (49:12 - 49:12)
in Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (49:12 - 49:12)
the permit

[Speaker 2] (49:12 - 49:13)
right.

[Speaker 1] (49:13 - 49:14)
from prior years.

[Speaker 2] (49:14 - 49:15)
I'm sorry, say again?

[Speaker 1] (49:15 - 49:18)
The relationship with the Board of Health in prior years with the permit process.

[Speaker 3] (49:18 - 49:20)
Has there been any? Is this a new

[Speaker 7] (49:20 - 49:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (49:20 - 49:21)
a new suggestion?

[Speaker 9] (49:21 - 49:22)
Zero participation.

[Speaker 2] (49:24 - 49:25)
If I might be of some assistance.

[Speaker 1] (49:25 - 49:31)
You can, yes, Tony, would you mind sharing the mic down a little bit and you and you can share one? Thank you, I appreciate that.

[Speaker 2] (49:35 - 49:39)
Hi. Chris Drukus. I've been represented as I said the

[Speaker 1] (49:47 - 49:54)
And at that time, the town had a different charter than it has now.

[Speaker 1] (49:56 - 49:58)
And it was the exclusive, under that charter,

[Speaker 1] (49:59 - 50:00)
it was the exclusive jurisdiction.

[Speaker 1] (50:01 - 50:07)
But regulating noise was granted, was given, it was an unusual situation,

[Speaker 1] (50:08 - 50:14)
but it was regulation of noise, the sound was strictly the Board of Health's purview.

[Speaker 1] (50:14 - 50:17)
Wasn't the Selectman's purview, wasn't anybody else's purview.

[Speaker 1] (50:18 - 50:21)
That was also consistent with state law at the time.

[Speaker 1] (50:22 - 50:25)
I think it's still pretty consistent with state law.

[Speaker 1] (50:28 - 50:37)
So, and back then there was supposed to be a member of the Board of Health on the ERAC for the purpose of overseeing that.

[Speaker 1] (50:37 - 50:42)
And then also because of their jurisdiction,

[Speaker 1] (50:42 - 50:48)
we decided at that point in time that they should have the opportunity,

[Speaker 1] (50:48 - 50:53)
especially when they had a member on the ERAC, to look at the permit.

[Speaker 1] (50:53 - 51:20)
and then sign off on it so since 1994 they've been signatories over the years they lost interest or felt comfortable with the way that it was being handled and it became more pro forma than anything else but that's the history of it that's why they're there and I'm not sure

[Speaker 1] (51:21 - 51:43)
that there's any need to do anything other than maybe get one of their members back on the ERAC and let's work on this through the next permit because we've come so far and we don't have a lot of time to get this permit done and I think that the testing that is done

[Speaker 1] (51:46 - 52:02)
every year to a certain degree and particularly now under the present permit of the three times that will happen this year I think will put everybody's fears to rest.

[Speaker 2] (52:02 - 52:03)
I think so, okay.

[Speaker 3] (52:03 - 52:04)
Okay, thank you. I appreciate that background.

[Speaker 2] (52:05 - 52:06)
I have a question. Is there anything,

[Speaker 2] (52:07 - 52:12)
so it sounds like there's nothing in the charter that mandates the Board of Health.

[Speaker 2] (52:12 - 52:14)
is involved in the permit.

[Speaker 4] (52:14 - 52:14)
It's

[Speaker 2] (52:14 - 52:17)
There's nothing in our bylaws and there's nothing statutorily

[Speaker 1] (52:17 - 52:17)
In

[Speaker 2] (52:17 - 52:17)
in

[Speaker 1] (52:17 - 52:17)
statutorily,

[Speaker 2] (52:17 - 52:18)
Massachusetts

[Speaker 1] (52:18 - 52:20)
yeah, they still have power to regulate sound.

[Speaker 3] (52:20 - 52:21)
To regulate noise.

[Speaker 2] (52:22 - 52:22)
Noise.

[Speaker 1] (52:22 - 52:22)
Noise

[Speaker 4] (52:22 - 52:23)
It's just noise not

[Speaker 1] (52:23 - 52:24)
Noise.

[Speaker 4] (52:24 - 52:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (52:25 - 52:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (52:25 - 52:26)
Tony,

[Speaker 2] (52:26 - 52:26)
You

[Speaker 3] (52:26 - 52:26)
please.

[Speaker 2] (52:26 - 52:29)
know, I think everyone has seen George's comments.

[Speaker 2] (52:30 - 52:34)
I think we're, you know, having him go over them again.

[Speaker 2] (52:34 - 52:46)
It just doesn't seem, it seems better to have a discussion within the advisory committee because I think what I'd like to hear is Amrise's response to that,

[Speaker 2] (52:46 - 52:52)
and not just Amrise, but their consultant who's actually doing the testing.

[Speaker 2] (52:52 - 52:55)
Because, you know, we're she tonight we would only hear one side.

[Speaker 2] (52:55 - 52:56)
We're not going to hear

[Speaker 3] (52:56 - 52:56)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (52:56 - 52:58)
the testers.

[Speaker 2] (52:59 - 53:01)
So I think that's best taken.

[Speaker 2] (53:02 - 53:03)
Did I hit you?

[Speaker 5] (53:03 - 53:04)
Close.

[Speaker 5] (53:04 - 53:05)
Close.

[Speaker 2] (53:05 - 53:08)
That's best within the committee.

[Speaker 5] (53:09 - 53:15)
Yeah, I'd also point out that the next testing period is July 1st to August 30th.

[Speaker 5] (53:15 - 53:19)
So then the next time a test takes place. So there is there is some time.

[Speaker 3] (53:20 - 53:23)
Okay, so what I would like to do is open for public comments.

[Speaker 3] (53:23 - 53:26)
So obviously the public's allowed to come up and speak.

[Speaker 3] (53:27 - 53:30)
I know we have one individual who already came up,

[Speaker 3] (53:30 - 53:33)
so I will welcome her first if she wouldn't mind.

[Speaker 3] (53:35 - 53:42)
Well, could you just come to the mic just because the recording needs to capture all the things that you are saying for folks at home if you don't mind.

[Speaker 6] (53:46 - 53:57)
oh I shall leave 19th Essex Street. Um I agree with Wayne. I would like to hear what George Allen has to say because that might cover my question and I think it's really important. On the other thing that Mr Druk has said

[Speaker 6] (53:58 - 54:05)
I think it was reflecting on that three times a year monitoring the air pollution at the quarry. It's totally inadequate.

[Speaker 6] (54:06 - 54:17)
It doesn't follow the EPA regs. Three days a year tells you what's happening on those three days only and it leaves out almost 350 other days when we don't know what's happening.

[Speaker 6] (54:17 - 54:26)
So the methodology is really flawed and I think that's the important thing we need to talk about and that's what Mr. Allen is going to be referring to.

[Speaker 6] (54:26 - 54:32)
My question, he might cover my question, so if it's okay I'll wait to hear him speak if you allow that.

[Speaker 3] (54:38 - 54:40)
Would anybody else like to rise for public comment?

[Speaker 3] (54:43 - 54:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (54:45 - 54:45)
Feel

[Speaker 7] (54:45 - 54:45)
It's fine.

[Speaker 3] (54:45 - 54:46)
I mean if

[Speaker 2] (54:46 - 54:46)
Oh, it's

[Speaker 3] (54:46 - 54:46)
if you

[Speaker 2] (54:46 - 54:47)
up to want her

[Speaker 3] (54:47 - 54:47)
to make public comment.

[Speaker 7] (54:48 - 54:49)
Well, if they're not going to be opened up,

[Speaker 7] (54:49 - 54:50)
you can

[Speaker 8] (54:50 - 54:50)
Anybody

[Speaker 7] (54:50 - 54:50)
ask

[Speaker 8] (54:50 - 54:50)
online?

[Speaker 7] (54:50 - 54:52)
me in the public comment period or I'll just

[Speaker 7] (54:53 - 54:54)
Is it okay?

[Speaker 7] (54:54 - 54:56)
Yep, just let it give him a little better idea.

[Speaker 7] (54:59 - 55:01)
Can you make sure the microphone's on?

[Speaker 7] (55:01 - 55:03)
Yeah, but we can't hear smelly much.

[Speaker 7] (55:05 - 55:07)
It's sort of here. I talk loud. It's but it is a little low.

[Speaker 7] (55:08 - 55:08)
I

[Speaker 9] (55:08 - 55:09)
You just

[Speaker 7] (55:09 - 55:09)
write.

[Speaker 9] (55:09 - 55:10)
have to be closer to it, I think.

[Speaker 7] (55:10 - 55:11)
I'll talk loud. Okay, I can do that.

[Speaker 9] (55:11 - 55:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (55:12 - 55:16)
George Allen, twenty seven Debu Ave. Um

[Speaker 7] (55:16 - 55:42)
Uh I'd like to talk about uh some of the air mont uh some comments on the air monitoring issues of concern that are in the draft uh Quarry Earth Removal Permit. But first a disclaimer, I am a Board of Health member but these comments do not necessarily reflect the position of the Swampscott Board of Health. Um second, a little bit about me, uh I am the chief scientist at a non-profit environmental organisation in Boston. I've been doing air pollution research for more than forty years.

[Speaker 7] (55:42 - 55:48)
And observed on multiple EPA scientific advisory committees for the review of air pollution standards,

[Speaker 7] (55:48 - 55:50)
including the M10,

[Speaker 7] (55:50 - 55:51)
over the last 20 years.

[Speaker 7] (55:53 - 56:00)
Jeff Vaughn of the health department forwarded me the two quarry monitoring reports for my review last month.

[Speaker 7] (56:00 - 56:16)
With a two from twenty twenty five. Uh the Board of Health uh met briefly to discuss this at the five fourteen meeting, but we did not take any action. The topic was just brought up. By the way, the next meeting, the eleventh, has been pushed back. The Board of Health meeting is now on the sixteenth. That's Tuesday.

[Speaker 7] (56:17 - 56:44)
one day before your next meeting. So we do hope to be able to get together before then, but it's now scheduled for the uh six tentatively for the sixteenth on the board of health. So anyhow I've re-written uh reviewed the the two most recent quarry monitoring reports and the current uh draft air act permit for the quarry operations. Uh starting July one uh the permit includes specifications and limits for air pollution monitoring uh in sections.

[Speaker 7] (56:44 - 56:52)
Three, four, and six specifically for PM10 and for crystalline silica, which is a component of PM10.

[Speaker 7] (56:52 - 57:19)
Uh the issue as I see it is that the sampling required by the existing permit and that was performed in 2025 is insufficient to be used for comparison to and determine compliance with health-based standards for PM10 or crystalline silica. Those words are very carefully chosen. But this does not mean there is a health hazard due to quarry activities. I wanna stress that.

[Speaker 7] (57:19 - 57:26)
It means we do not have sufficient data demonstrate that there are no health hazards from quarry activities.

[Speaker 7] (57:26 - 57:32)
I will leave it there. The rest of the material is in the letter that I sent around and most of you have.

[Speaker 7] (57:33 - 57:34)
But if you have any questions,

[Speaker 7] (57:35 - 57:36)
I'm up there. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (57:37 - 57:37)
Thanks, George.

[Speaker 5] (57:37 - 57:38)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (57:41 - 57:43)
Okay, any additional public comment?

[Speaker 3] (57:43 - 57:44)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (57:51 - 57:54)
If you wouldn't mind just speaking closer to the mic, that might help too.

[Speaker 6] (57:54 - 57:58)
Um I just I have a question about um part of what I've read in the report,

[Speaker 6] (57:58 - 58:06)
and it's about the per-client request to put constraints on what's being measured. Um and to me, from what I understand about

[Speaker 6] (58:07 - 58:23)
air pollution which I'm trying to understand for the last 20 years is that the constraint is leaving out a lot of particle sizes that we want to be measured in these reports so it makes me really curious about why this per client request was made.

[Speaker 6] (58:23 - 58:24)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (58:24 - 58:27)
What section of the permit was that, if you wouldn't mind?

[Speaker 9] (58:27 - 58:28)
I can get that in a minute.

[Speaker 3] (58:29 - 58:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (58:30 - 58:34)
It's in George's paper. It's on I think it's six,

[Speaker 6] (58:34 - 58:34)
number six.

[Speaker 3] (58:36 - 58:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (58:38 - 58:41)
Can we have George's paper added into the minutes?

[Speaker 3] (58:41 - 58:42)
We can, yes.

[Speaker 2] (58:44 - 58:45)
Is that okay with you, George?

[Speaker 7] (58:46 - 58:46)
Yep, that's fine.

[Speaker 7] (58:49 - 58:52)
The section of the syllabus is the last paragraph on the bottom of that.

[Speaker 2] (58:53 - 58:54)
That's fine with it. That's fine with it.

[Speaker 3] (58:54 - 58:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (58:54 - 58:59)
Can someone, it's worth having him just read it so everyone's on the same page, no?

[Speaker 2] (58:59 - 58:59)
No.

[Speaker 9] (58:59 - 58:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (58:59 - 59:02)
I think, okay, so the suggestion I would make at this point is

[Speaker 3] (59:03 - 59:32)
um is twofold one i think the topic is important and needs to be vetted and discussed and two we worked very hard to get our relationship back with our quarry members and iraq has been doing a great job we settled litigation they've come forward and shown up in ways that we've requested for blasting and um other conditions that have been part of the permit that is not to say that we can't put forth other conditions to the permit that's not to say we're not committed to do that

[Speaker 3] (59:32 - 59:34)
do that. But I do think

[Speaker 1] (59:42 - 59:59)
The Board of Health member appointed to the ERAC committee to have conversations happen within committee and then for the committee to come forward with suggestions because I am not well versed in sound pollution and I am not even as well versed in

[Speaker 1] (1:00:00 - 1:00:05)
all of the relationships that have been cultivated over the years involving all of the different provisions of this permit.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:05 - 1:00:15)
So every conversation is a negotiation to give and take and I think we have to have this conversation amongst the committee first and then come forward with a suggestion.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:16 - 1:00:26)
That doesn't sound like that's going to happen by the 17th but as Mary Ellen already stated we have the ability to propose come to a mutual understanding and propose

[Speaker 1] (1:00:26 - 1:00:40)
any conditions to the permit going forward under provisions of the permit so I feel like I want to get it right I understand you know Wayne's hesitation to approve something that doesn't feel totally sure

[Speaker 2] (1:00:40 - 1:00:44)
Well, no, to be clear, I'm not hesitant about approving it. I just want to reserve the right to

[Speaker 1] (1:00:44 - 1:00:45)
sure

[Speaker 2] (1:00:45 - 1:00:48)
go back and revisit this and that it's an active conversation

[Speaker 1] (1:00:48 - 1:00:49)
great

[Speaker 2] (1:00:49 - 1:00:50)
that's happening.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:50 - 1:00:52)
so I think we're in agreement but

[Speaker 1] (1:00:53 - 1:00:55)
Does that seem like a fair request?

[Speaker 3] (1:00:55 - 1:00:59)
It does. I mean, I have full faith in ERAC as well as the Board of Health to

[Speaker 3] (1:01:00 - 1:01:25)
listen to all the concerns and really gauge what the bath p best path forward is. I don't really think it's in our best interest to try to adjudicate that. I I leave that to the committees. Um I have full faith in that. And I also don't wanna delay um our permit situation, you know, based on the fact that we can certainly make changes or edits at any point if you you know, the committees deem that necessary and wanna recommend that to us. So

[Speaker 4] (1:01:25 - 1:01:27)
What what I would suggest or

[Speaker 4] (1:01:28 - 1:01:37)
put out for the board and your boards to consider and Mm-hmm. amorise. Um, you have your testing starting in July. That that testing period is July through September?

[Speaker 5] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
At the

[Speaker 3] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
Or

[Speaker 5] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
fall, in the

[Speaker 3] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
end fall of August.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:38 - 1:01:39)
of August.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:39 - 1:01:39)
End of August.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:39 - 1:01:53)
July through August, okay. So maybe spend the summer when you have a new board of health liaison on there having a some of these conversations, and then we can find a time at the after that to just get an update from how those conversations are and just to

[Speaker 4] (1:01:54 - 1:01:55)
ensure that we're all

[Speaker 6] (1:01:55 - 1:01:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:55 - 1:01:58)
working together on the same page at least for how things are progressing.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:58 - 1:02:08)
Well, my intent is to call a meeting of EREC soon after the 17th. There were some other matters that we had to address,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:08 - 1:02:11)
but George's...

[Speaker 6] (1:02:11 - 1:02:13)
Comments will be on that agenda.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:13 - 1:02:13)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:13 - 1:02:14)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:14 - 1:02:16)
Can I ask a process question?

[Speaker 1] (1:02:16 - 1:02:16)
Please.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:16 - 1:02:21)
This is both, I think, involves the select board as well as the Board of Health and ERAC.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:21 - 1:02:22)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:22 - 1:02:24)
So if, according to the permit,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:24 - 1:02:28)
notices are given to the Board of Health before testing,

[Speaker 2] (1:02:28 - 1:02:32)
the reports and analyses are forwarded to the Board of Health.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:32 - 1:02:39)
Is the Board of Health a documentarian only or does the Board of Health have to technically accept a report?

[Speaker 3] (1:02:39 - 1:02:41)
No, they don't have any authority.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:41 - 1:02:43)
You have to read it on its face.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:43 - 1:02:46)
If the Board of Health receives reports,

[Speaker 6] (1:02:46 - 1:02:47)
it receives analysis.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:49 - 1:02:58)
There's nothing in there that says they they have to review it. There's nothing in there that says they have to approve it. Um it says what it says, you know, that they receive it.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:58 - 1:02:58)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:58 - 1:03:04)
And and I would say that now that uh if in the future they have one of their members on ERAC,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:05 - 1:03:09)
Whatever concerns the Board of Health has are going to funnel back to ERAC.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:09 - 1:03:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:09 - 1:03:28)
And and so it's not it's not that they don't have input, um but I th I th I just will resist any terminology that suggests that that the Board of Health has authority to veto our reports and our our recommendations. 'Cause if you do that, then it becomes a Board of Health

[Speaker 3] (1:03:29 - 1:03:30)
Well, we need a bylaw

[Speaker 6] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30)
not ours.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30)
which

[Speaker 2] (1:03:30 - 1:03:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:30 - 1:03:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
you

[Speaker 1] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
if we can

[Speaker 3] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
need a

[Speaker 1] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
pass

[Speaker 3] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
bylaw

[Speaker 1] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
a bylaw which sets

[Speaker 3] (1:03:31 - 1:03:32)
we need a bylaw

[Speaker 1] (1:03:32 - 1:03:32)
a change standard that

[Speaker 3] (1:03:32 - 1:03:33)
in order to do that.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33)
for

[Speaker 3] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33)
do that

[Speaker 1] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:03:33 - 1:03:36)
so I don't think we're anybody's

[Speaker 4] (1:03:36 - 1:03:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:36 - 1:03:37)
entertaining that.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:37 - 1:03:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:37 - 1:03:46)
But I think also we should try this path forward first before we even consider that.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:46 - 1:03:57)
Like everybody seems very open to the Board of Health feedback and if ERAC is on the same page as the Board of Health, then there shouldn't be an issue as to facilitating some of the recommendations.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:57 - 1:04:01)
So let's just see where we get before we sort of...

[Speaker 1] (1:04:01 - 1:04:04)
make hay where there isn't so

[Speaker 4] (1:04:04 - 1:04:06)
Yeah, this could all be resolved through some of the conversations

[Speaker 3] (1:04:06 - 1:04:06)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:06 - 1:04:07)
we all have together and

[Speaker 1] (1:04:07 - 1:04:07)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:07 - 1:04:07)
this

[Speaker 3] (1:04:07 - 1:04:07)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:07 - 1:04:08)
which is

[Speaker 4] (1:04:08 - 1:04:08)
could be

[Speaker 1] (1:04:08 - 1:04:08)
why

[Speaker 4] (1:04:08 - 1:04:08)
an issue.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:08 - 1:04:09)
we're not the best

[Speaker 2] (1:04:09 - 1:04:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:09 - 1:04:11)
board to try to mitigate that here so let's

[Speaker 3] (1:04:11 - 1:04:12)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:12 - 1:04:27)
we leave it to you in your good hands and If there are changes that you all agree should be made before the 17th then we will consider those But it sounds like that might be difficult if Board of Health isn't meeting till the 16th I wouldn't expect that we would sort of rush around trying to

[Speaker 3] (1:04:28 - 1:04:28)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:28 - 1:04:36)
facilitate some of that. If we could meet prior like the 11th seemed like there was a little bit more space but I think the 16th is not plausible.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:36 - 1:04:40)
I think it's going to take more than one meeting of ERAC to sort out these issues.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:40 - 1:04:41)
Agreed. Sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:41 - 1:04:42)
So it's really going to be.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:43 - 1:04:48)
There will be opportunity to make changes if the board's m seeks to do that.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:48 - 1:04:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:48 - 1:04:49)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:49 - 1:05:04)
I have some questions outside of this. Um have you where do we stand as far as with neighbors being able to get surveys and complaints from neighbors? Do we have any do we have any data as far as how many complaints the fire department has received or

[Speaker 6] (1:05:04 - 1:05:04)
You

[Speaker 7] (1:05:04 - 1:05:04)
what's

[Speaker 6] (1:05:04 - 1:05:05)
know, yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:05 - 1:05:05)
happening with that?

[Speaker 6] (1:05:05 - 1:05:10)
um uh that that question has been asked. I I'm John usually is more

[Speaker 6] (1:05:10 - 1:05:17)
or involved with the complaints. And John, do you are you aware of any?

[Speaker 7] (1:05:17 - 1:05:18)
I am not.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:18 - 1:05:20)
And if there is any,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:20 - 1:05:26)
I usually get a phone call to try and try to resolve the issue,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:26 - 1:05:31)
answer questions. But recently, specifically this year,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:31 - 1:05:35)
the blasts have been pretty reasonable.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:36 - 1:05:52)
Even well below the limits that we've set in the permit. So I don't know if Essex Street residents will be affected from their blast this summer because they're on the Danvers Roadside this year.

[Speaker 6] (1:05:53 - 1:06:00)
That affects the Essex Street people as much more than anybody else further out.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:00 - 1:06:14)
Uh you're not gonna hear from Nichols Street, you're not gonna hear from Carson Terrace. It's gonna be Essex Street and the neighbourhoods abutting that that are gonna be affected. Um I expect if there is any complaints, I expect to be hearing.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:14 - 1:06:24)
So how do I, if so, if I'm a neighbor, if I'm living on Nichols or Essex or Sampson, somewhere like very close there, and we go and we approve this new permit,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:24 - 1:06:38)
how do I go about making sure that the quarry comes in and, I dunno, you do a a survey or a video, how do I know that I have access to this and do I have to do this every single year? How how does that

[Speaker 6] (1:06:38 - 1:06:38)
Last

[Speaker 7] (1:06:38 - 1:06:39)
how do we get that out to people?

[Speaker 6] (1:06:39 - 1:06:41)
my recollection recollection is

[Speaker 6] (1:06:41 - 1:07:07)
is that last year we sent out or you guys sent out a letter to all of the abutters. Uh we have an abutters list. Uh there's also uh radius of 300 yards, I think, or something that's l listed as w all abutters within. And and reminded people that they're entitled to a s video survey of the interior and their exterior of their homes. Um I don't think we had takers, many takers. I dunno che hi.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:07 - 1:07:08)
No and it's there's a record of it.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:08 - 1:07:09)
of it. We

[Speaker 4] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:09 - 1:07:10)
we get it back from

[Speaker 4] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:10 - 1:07:12)
uh the company Precise that performs

[Speaker 6] (1:07:12 - 1:07:12)
But

[Speaker 8] (1:07:12 - 1:07:13)
pre-process

[Speaker 7] (1:07:13 - 1:07:13)
But

[Speaker 8] (1:07:13 - 1:07:13)
less surveys. So

[Speaker 7] (1:07:13 - 1:07:16)
you do send that out again as the permit gets renewed?

[Speaker 8] (1:07:17 - 1:07:27)
So yes, it goes out to everyone that he just said. So all of the butters, anyone within 300 feet and they can respond.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:27 - 1:07:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:27 - 1:07:28)
And in fact then

[Speaker 1] (1:07:28 - 1:07:28)
And that's

[Speaker 8] (1:07:28 - 1:07:28)
if

[Speaker 1] (1:07:28 - 1:07:29)
annual.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:29 - 1:07:32)
there's no response, they go and knock on, they go door to door, and they knock on

[Speaker 8] (1:07:33 - 1:07:37)
all the doors that are above us or within 300 feet from the property line.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:37 - 1:07:39)
What's the time frame on when you do this?

[Speaker 6] (1:07:40 - 1:07:42)
Uh, we did this last um spring,

[Speaker 8] (1:07:42 - 1:07:43)
That's February, as usually

[Speaker 6] (1:07:43 - 1:07:44)
you know, even earlier,

[Speaker 8] (1:07:44 - 1:07:44)
when it

[Speaker 6] (1:07:44 - 1:07:45)
maybe, okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:45 - 1:07:48)
when the when the notification goes out, and then the surveys are done

[Speaker 7] (1:07:48 - 1:07:50)
But you're blasting during the summer, right?

[Speaker 8] (1:07:52 - 1:07:52)
during the summer yes

[Speaker 7] (1:07:52 - 1:08:05)
Right. So if lasting during the summer, we're going to approve this now. So I'm just thinking if people that live within that 300 yards, can we get that request out or that information out right away so they get it?

[Speaker 8] (1:08:05 - 1:08:08)
I believe that is part of the part that's in

[Speaker 7] (1:08:08 - 1:08:09)
It

[Speaker 8] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
the permit

[Speaker 7] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
is in

[Speaker 8] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
application.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
the permit.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:10 - 1:08:16)
Everyone who who uh responded and everyone who got a pre-blast survey is included in the application.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:17 - 1:08:28)
Right but here's my issue is what happens if somebody was away or they weren't paying attention or their spouse didn't give them and they didn't they didn't take advantage of that now we have a new permit how do they take advantage

[Speaker 6] (1:08:28 - 1:08:29)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (1:08:29 - 1:08:29)
of that?

[Speaker 6] (1:08:29 - 1:08:33)
even if they did have visible damage,

[Speaker 6] (1:08:33 - 1:08:35)
they have to fill out forms.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:35 - 1:08:38)
They have to report to the fire department.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:38 - 1:08:38)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:38 - 1:08:45)
The MRIs has to provide blast data from the date that was.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:45 - 1:08:46)
that was talked about.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:47 - 1:09:04)
So that data is collected, it's reviewed internally uh by us, by by Amrise, by the fire department. But the claims that the that the resident is making is not against the town, it's against an insurance company. And the town is out of it. You know, it's

[Speaker 7] (1:09:04 - 1:09:08)
I understand that. Well, the town's really not out of it because we sit here and we take the phone calls.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:08 - 1:09:09)
So my

[Speaker 2] (1:09:09 - 1:09:09)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:09 - 1:09:11)
concern is if

[Speaker 7] (1:09:11 - 1:09:18)
I screwed up and I didn't make get that survey on my house and all of a sudden you're blasting through the summer how am I protected?

[Speaker 4] (1:09:19 - 1:09:20)
It I don't think you are.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:20 - 1:09:23)
So what you you could still file a claim without a survey.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:23 - 1:09:24)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:24 - 1:09:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:24 - 1:09:29)
So you are protected. So there there there is no prerequisite to have a video survey done

[Speaker 2] (1:09:30 - 1:09:31)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:31 - 1:09:31)
That's the first thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:31 - 1:09:33)
What are the chances that...

[Speaker 3] (1:09:33 - 1:09:33)
Right, that is good,

[Speaker 3] (1:09:33 - 1:09:36)
but I'm just my layman's opinion,

[Speaker 3] (1:09:36 - 1:09:43)
you know, I mean, I haven't practiced law in a long time, but if there's not visible evidence,

[Speaker 3] (1:09:43 - 1:09:46)
an insurance company, you know how they operate,

[Speaker 3] (1:09:46 - 1:09:47)
the insurance company is

[Speaker 1] (1:09:47 - 1:09:47)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:09:47 - 1:09:47)
going to

[Speaker 1] (1:09:47 - 1:09:51)
block think we have the data when we were going through this conversation last year and the year before.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:51 - 1:09:53)
before very few claims get paid very

[Speaker 3] (1:09:53 - 1:09:54)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:09:54 - 1:09:54)
few claims

[Speaker 3] (1:09:54 - 1:09:54)
why I say.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:54 - 1:09:55)
come to fruition so

[Speaker 2] (1:09:55 - 1:09:56)
That's the problem.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:56 - 1:10:16)
well so we've talked about two years ago ways in order to try to facilitate a better claims process or something like that that's comes up as part of conversation every year with with I don't know if it came up this year with Iraq but we have talked about it in years past and is the expectation that

[Speaker 1] (1:10:18 - 1:10:23)
What would you like the expectation to be? That would be more direct for ERAC to be able to facilitate something.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:23 - 1:10:23)
So are you

[Speaker 2] (1:10:23 - 1:10:23)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:10:23 - 1:10:23)
looking for

[Speaker 2] (1:10:23 - 1:10:24)
would like to I would

[Speaker 1] (1:10:24 - 1:10:24)
notification

[Speaker 2] (1:10:24 - 1:10:25)
yes

[Speaker 1] (1:10:25 - 1:10:27)
to occur seasonally? Are you looking for?

[Speaker 2] (1:10:27 - 1:10:34)
I would like that people within that neighborhood within that area have the opportunity to have a

[Speaker 2] (1:10:34 - 1:10:35)
What is the name of that?

[Speaker 4] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
Pre-blast

[Speaker 5] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
Pre

[Speaker 2] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
Pre

[Speaker 4] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
survey.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
-blast

[Speaker 2] (1:10:36 - 1:10:37)
-blast

[Speaker 5] (1:10:37 - 1:10:37)
survey.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:37 - 1:10:39)
Pre-blast survey done. You know,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:39 - 1:10:39)
uh,

[Speaker 3] (1:10:40 - 1:10:41)
We will, we'll

[Speaker 2] (1:10:41 - 1:10:41)
if

[Speaker 3] (1:10:41 - 1:10:41)
check

[Speaker 2] (1:10:41 - 1:10:41)
they can

[Speaker 3] (1:10:41 - 1:10:41)
letters

[Speaker 2] (1:10:41 - 1:10:42)
have it done

[Speaker 3] (1:10:42 - 1:10:42)
again.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:42 - 1:10:49)
now, if they can have it done now then at least they have the pre-blast survey and if God forbid something happens they have that as

[Speaker 3] (1:10:49 - 1:10:51)
Um, I and go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:51 - 1:10:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:51 - 1:10:51)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:51 - 1:10:55)
So, and just to clarify what the pre-blast survey actually does,

[Speaker 4] (1:10:55 - 1:11:00)
so if you ask for it, someone comes out and they look and say,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:00 - 1:11:01)
oh, there's damage here, there's damage here.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:01 - 1:11:01)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:01 - 1:11:03)
It's all taken down and put in a report.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:04 - 1:11:05)
So once it's there,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:05 - 1:11:09)
the next year, you don't need another pre-blast survey.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:09 - 1:11:13)
It's not what would happen if you had a complaint saying,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:13 - 1:11:14)
hey, I had damage this year.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:15 - 1:11:15)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:15 - 1:11:16)
then you go to the fire department,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:16 - 1:11:18)
you fill out an FP 296.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:19 - 1:11:23)
And then there's a process that gets followed through. And as Joe said,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:23 - 1:11:28)
this is an insurance issue. So it doesn't go through AMRISE. It doesn't go through the town.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:28 - 1:11:33)
It goes through the insurance company for the third-party blasting company that we use.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:33 - 1:11:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:34 - 1:11:34)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:11:34 - 1:11:34)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:34 - 1:11:35)
that's how that process works.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:36 - 1:11:38)
So someone who gets a pre-blast survey,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:38 - 1:11:39)
you don't need one every year.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:39 - 1:11:42)
And most of the residents have had one.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:43 - 1:11:44)
they don't ask for it again.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:44 - 1:11:46)
Typically this is for new residents,

[Speaker 4] (1:11:47 - 1:11:49)
people new in town, that kind of thing.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:50 - 1:11:53)
And you don't frankly need the pre-blast survey till

[Speaker 2] (1:11:53 - 1:11:54)
File a claim.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:54 - 1:11:54)
File a

[Speaker 4] (1:11:54 - 1:11:56)
file out file an FP219.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:56 - 1:11:58)
Right, but a pre-blast survey,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:58 - 1:12:05)
if it shows that my living room is intact and you take video of that, my living room, and then all of a sudden you have some

[Speaker 2] (1:12:06 - 1:12:16)
Days where you're blasting away and I have a crack going across my ceiling, I'm put in a better position of getting that fixed. So

[Speaker 3] (1:12:16 - 1:12:16)
It's a cruel

[Speaker 4] (1:12:16 - 1:12:16)
Well

[Speaker 3] (1:12:16 - 1:12:17)
thing to do.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:17 - 1:12:17)
Yeah, uh

[Speaker 1] (1:12:17 - 1:12:18)
it's the par

[Speaker 2] (1:12:18 - 1:12:19)
so all I'm asking for is

[Speaker 1] (1:12:19 - 1:12:20)
It's the first time I hear.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:20 - 1:12:24)
have people, you know, people within that area have the opportunity if they want

[Speaker 2] (1:12:25 - 1:12:28)
If they want that pre-blast survey, have an opportunity to get it.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:29 - 1:12:33)
If somebody were to approach you at any point during the year and request a pre pre-blast survey, would

[Speaker 4] (1:12:33 - 1:12:33)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:33 - 1:12:34)
you ever say no?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:34 - 1:12:34)
Good.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:34 - 1:12:34)
Correct,

[Speaker 4] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
I would

[Speaker 1] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
never say

[Speaker 1] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
perfect.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:35 - 1:12:35)
no.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:35 - 1:12:36)
There we

[Speaker 1] (1:12:36 - 1:12:36)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (1:12:36 - 1:12:36)
go.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:36 - 1:12:36)
you.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:36 - 1:12:36)
We're there.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:37 - 1:12:37)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:37 - 1:12:38)
I...

[Speaker 2] (1:12:38 - 1:12:39)
Let me comment again. Um

[Speaker 6] (1:12:40 - 1:12:56)
I'd like to tell you what a neighbor told me. A few weeks ago I was up walking around Nichols Street and all the streets that border the quarry. I was passing out flyers to try to help get the purple air monitors because we need someone closer to the quarry than like at the train station, the high school, et cetera.

[Speaker 6] (1:12:56 - 1:13:06)
And I talked to a neighbor who told me that she had just she had had her kitchen renovated and not long after that she had a crack going down the ceiling and her insurance company told her.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:07 - 1:13:10)
that she would have had to have been home looking at that wall

[Speaker 2] (1:13:10 - 1:13:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:10 - 1:13:13)
when the crack happened in order to be paid.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:14 - 1:13:32)
So I think that people that live around the corridor the the quarry, they've just been disappointed in everything. I think they just some of them have just stopped making comments. They've just kind of given up. And if that's what's required, if a blast you know to connect a blast to a crack in a home who's gonna be standing watching their wall when the blasts are occurring.

[Speaker 7] (1:13:32 - 1:13:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:32 - 1:13:35)
So that's just what I wanted to tell you is what that neighbour told me.

[Speaker 6] (1:13:35 - 1:13:36)
me. Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:38 - 1:13:43)
I have a quick question about on the permit the abutters list is from 2022.

[Speaker 8] (1:13:44 - 1:13:48)
Is that being, is that stay actively updated with the town and with MRIs?

[Speaker 2] (1:13:48 - 1:13:55)
Yes, we we update the list based on yes the list is updated based on the assessor's data.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:56 - 1:14:09)
And then we also have this year we end up using the list that was provided to us by Amherst of the abutters and then we also went out past 300 feet away from the edge of the quarry.

[Speaker 8] (1:14:10 - 1:14:11)
Okay, I've just only,

[Speaker 8] (1:14:11 - 1:14:19)
my comment is only relative to the notation that was on the permit that says swamps got abutters list from 4722.

[Speaker 8] (1:14:20 - 1:14:22)
That's why I was.

[Speaker 8] (1:14:22 - 1:14:23)
The promise of my question.

[Speaker 9] (1:14:24 - 1:14:32)
So that was included in the application, but in practice what we did is we used the current data from the assessor's office to notify all of the abutters.

[Speaker 8] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:32 - 1:14:33)
Thank you, Percy.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:41)
Okay, so are there any additional questions we want to ask of ERIC or M.R.I.S. before we...

[Speaker 1] (1:14:43 - 1:14:45)
Okay, so seeing none,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:45 - 1:14:51)
we will see you guys back in two weeks and appreciate you guys need to close out your meeting and we'll close the public meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:52 - 1:14:58)
But if there's anything else that comes up, you can facilitate it through the town administrator to facilitate to us before then.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:58 - 1:14:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:59 - 1:14:59)
Okay?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:00 - 1:15:01)
Close the meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
Meeting

[Speaker 6] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
Motion

[Speaker 3] (1:15:03 - 1:15:03)
All in favour?

[Speaker 6] (1:15:03 - 1:15:04)
to close.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:04 - 1:15:04)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:15:06 - 1:15:10)
I will I'll take a motion to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:10 - 1:15:11)
Removed.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:11 - 1:15:11)
Second.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:11 - 1:15:12)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:12 - 1:15:13)
All in favour?

[Speaker 2] (1:15:13 - 1:15:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:14 - 1:15:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (1:15:14 - 1:15:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:14 - 1:15:15)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:15 - 1:15:16)
thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
Appreciate

[Speaker 3] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
it was cute.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:16 - 1:15:16)
it.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:16 - 1:15:17)
Appreciate your hard work.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:17 - 1:15:18)
Don't

[Speaker 1] (1:15:18 - 1:15:23)
Oh, you? I want to continue. We don't we're going to post a new public, you want to continue it or do you want us

[Speaker 2] (1:15:23 - 1:15:23)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:23 - 1:15:24)
Yeah, let's continue it.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:24 - 1:15:30)
Okay, so I'll rescind the motion and ask for a revised motion to continue the public hearing to the 17th.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:30 - 1:15:30)
So Chris. moved.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:30 - 1:15:31)
Again, so

[Speaker 3] (1:15:31 - 1:15:31)
Seven.

[Speaker 10] (1:15:31 - 1:15:32)
So thank you, everybody.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:32 - 1:15:32)
All in favor?

[Speaker 10] (1:15:32 - 1:15:33)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:33 - 1:15:33)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:33 - 1:15:37)
Aye, okay, so we have just continued the public hearing so we don't we have we don't have to re-notice it.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:37 - 1:15:37)
There we go.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:37 - 1:15:38)
Thank goodness for Chris.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:38 - 1:15:40)
Alright, we did the same.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:40 - 1:15:50)
Okay, we will I will now move on to the public hearing for the liquor license for Swamp Scott Center for Performing Arts.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:52 - 1:15:56)
So I will take a motion for to open the public hearing.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:57 - 1:15:57)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:57 - 1:15:59)
Mary Ellen is the motion.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:59 - 1:15:59)
Can I have a second?

[Speaker 8] (1:15:59 - 1:16:00)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:00 - 1:16:01)
Second,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:01 - 1:16:01)
Ted,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:01 - 1:16:02)
all in favor?

[Speaker 2] (1:16:02 - 1:16:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:03 - 1:16:03)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:03 - 1:16:03)
All in favor.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:03 - 1:16:07)
Okay, so we are now opening the public hearing for the liquor license.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:07 - 1:16:11)
This is the first hearing of the liquor license.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:11 - 1:16:14)
So Marzi, do you want to give a little?

[Speaker 2] (1:16:15 - 1:16:17)
Nick, will you prepare to go?

[Speaker 2] (1:16:17 - 1:16:17)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:19 - 1:16:32)
Yes, it's my pleasure to speak or be here this evening to present to you an application from John for the Swampscotch Performance Center,

[Speaker 9] (1:16:32 - 1:16:34)
Performing Arts Center, sorry,

[Speaker 9] (1:16:34 - 1:16:42)
at Hawthorne, the former Hawthorne restaurant at, apologize for the wrong.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:45 - 1:16:46)
Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 9] (1:16:46 - 1:16:51)
and the applicant is John Nicastro. He is here in the audience today,

[Speaker 9] (1:16:51 - 1:16:54)
so if you have any questions, we'll be happy to address them.

[Speaker 9] (1:16:54 - 1:17:06)
The applicant is seeking an all-alcohol license to be for the premises for the hours from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. Monday through Saturday.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:07 - 1:17:09)
That's 11 a.m. to 1

[Speaker 9] (1:17:09 - 1:17:10)
1 a.m.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:10 - 1:17:10)
a.m.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:11 - 1:17:13)
seven days a week.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:13 - 1:17:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:16 - 1:17:21)
Marcy, what did, do you know the details of the Hawthorne, the license they held?

[Speaker 1] (1:17:22 - 1:17:26)
Like the hours of operation, and they had an all alcohol license also?

[Speaker 9] (1:17:26 - 1:17:28)
Oh, yes,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:28 - 1:17:30)
when Hawthorne was operating their alcohol,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:30 - 1:17:49)
the hours of operations were Monday through Thursday from 11.30 to 10 p.m., Friday and Saturday from 11.30 to 11 p.m., and Sunday from 12 to 10 p.m., but I also would like to point out to you that the adjacent business is such an omission on the bay.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:49 - 1:17:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:49 - 1:17:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:49 - 1:17:54)
Um their liquor license is um until 1 a.m.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:55 - 1:17:56)
Till 1 a.m. all nights.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:56 - 1:17:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (1:17:56 - 1:17:57)
Um I

[Speaker 2] (1:17:57 - 1:17:57)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:57 - 1:17:59)
I believe Sam Walker's is as well, I believe.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:59 - 1:18:01)
Yep, Monday through Sunday 11 to

[Speaker 4] (1:18:01 - 1:18:01)
Let

[Speaker 1] (1:18:01 - 1:18:01)
1.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:01 - 1:18:03)
me print out that you all have. We

[Speaker 2] (1:18:03 - 1:18:03)
That's

[Speaker 4] (1:18:03 - 1:18:03)
didn't

[Speaker 2] (1:18:03 - 1:18:04)
blue.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:04 - 1:18:07)
include it in the packet, but we put it together or pulled it from a previous presentation over the weekend.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:08 - 1:18:12)
Submit it on the base, Sam Walker's, um the dark side.

[Speaker 8] (1:18:12 - 1:18:12)
I know.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:12 - 1:18:15)
So we're look just looking at making everything equal?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:17 - 1:18:18)
That seems to be the greatest.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:20 - 1:18:23)
Yep, the yacht club is also until 1 a.m.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:23 - 1:18:24)
Whoa.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:25 - 1:18:25)
Alrighty.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:29 - 1:18:30)
You're gonna run over.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:31 - 1:18:32)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:32 - 1:18:34)
I know the...

[Speaker 1] (1:18:35 - 1:18:37)
Applicant is here. Did you want to speak?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:37 - 1:18:38)
Did you want to say anything?

[Speaker 11] (1:18:38 - 1:18:38)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:18:38 - 1:18:39)
You good?

[Speaker 11] (1:18:39 - 1:18:41)
here to answer any questions that you have.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:41 - 1:18:42)
Very good. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:43 - 1:18:46)
Does anybody have any questions for the applicant or Marcy?

[Speaker 8] (1:18:46 - 1:18:47)
Just to repeat,

[Speaker 8] (1:18:47 - 1:18:48)
what was the hours again?

[Speaker 8] (1:18:48 - 1:18:49)
I apologize.

[Speaker 8] (1:18:49 - 1:18:49)
I was, I

[Speaker 9] (1:18:49 - 1:18:51)
11 was am till 1,

[Speaker 9] (1:18:51 - 1:18:52)
11

[Speaker 4] (1:18:52 - 1:18:53)
1 a.m.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:53 - 1:18:53)
am.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:53 - 1:18:57)
11 a.m. till 1 a.m. Monday through Sunday,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:57 - 1:18:59)
which is, like Marcy said,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:59 - 1:19:00)
parallel to mission.

[Speaker 8] (1:19:00 - 1:19:02)
Yep, got this.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:02 - 1:19:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:19:02 - 1:19:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:06 - 1:19:07)
So this is a renewal,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:07 - 1:19:08)
this is a new one.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:08 - 1:19:09)
Correct.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:09 - 1:19:09)
Yes, that's correct.

[Speaker 9] (1:19:10 - 1:19:13)
This is a new applicant and a new all alcohol license.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:18 - 1:19:20)
So because it's already,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:20 - 1:19:23)
it's already been there, can we just vote on this tonight?

[Speaker 2] (1:19:24 - 1:19:25)
I mean we typically

[Speaker 1] (1:19:26 - 1:19:31)
Hmm. We typically do, we typically do, but I think the reason I'm asking is it's not new.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:32 - 1:19:33)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:19:33 - 1:19:33)
What do you mean it's new?

[Speaker 3] (1:19:33 - 1:19:34)
I mean

[Speaker 4] (1:19:34 - 1:19:34)
But

[Speaker 3] (1:19:34 - 1:19:34)
new.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:34 - 1:19:35)
it is it is new.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:35 - 1:19:35)
It's entirely

[Speaker 4] (1:19:35 - 1:19:36)
I mean it was not

[Speaker 1] (1:19:36 - 1:19:36)
new.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:36 - 1:19:37)
entertainment at that

[Speaker 1] (1:19:37 - 1:19:39)
Because there was a liquor license there before.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:39 - 1:19:39)
But there was

[Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:42)
I'm good. I'm good with whatever you want to do. I'm just bringing it up, that's

[Speaker 3] (1:19:42 - 1:19:42)
Listen,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:42 - 1:19:42)
all.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:42 - 1:19:45)
even when we have liquor licenses which exist and we renew,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:45 - 1:19:48)
we still listen to them twice because we allow for the public to come forth and have opinions about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:19:48)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:48 - 1:19:53)
There is no public here tonight to comment on it. So I would think in the spirit of maybe

[Speaker 1] (1:19:53 - 1:19:54)
Sounds good.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:54 - 1:19:56)
what you've said in the past, it's

[Speaker 1] (1:19:56 - 1:19:56)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:56 - 1:19:59)
important to allow for the public to come forth and have an opportunity to.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:59 - 1:20:04)
Just to speak on it, um unless there is some other urgency.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
Here's another vacation.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:06 - 1:20:09)
So to be clear, there's two different things. There's a liquor license and the entertainment license

[Speaker 1] (1:20:09 - 1:20:09)
There

[Speaker 7] (1:20:09 - 1:20:09)
separate.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:09 - 1:20:10)
are three

[Speaker 6] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
There's

[Speaker 1] (1:20:10 - 1:20:10)
things.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:10 - 1:20:20)
There are three things. There is a common vitallers license, there's an entertainment license, and there's a liquor license. The public hearing's only in regard to the liquor license, so that's all we're discussing right now, and then we'll move on to the other licenses.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:20 - 1:20:20)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:20:20 - 1:20:25)
And just to highlight, even though there's no one physically here, we did do notification,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:25 - 1:20:25)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (1:20:25 - 1:20:28)
we contacted the three hundred feet and

[Speaker 8] (1:20:28 - 1:20:32)
That that was you know all done according to process

[Speaker 3] (1:20:32 - 1:20:32)
Thank

[Speaker 7] (1:20:32 - 1:20:32)
Which

[Speaker 3] (1:20:32 - 1:20:33)
you.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:33 - 1:20:33)
is

[Speaker 1] (1:20:33 - 1:20:33)
None of this was posted

[Speaker 9] (1:20:33 - 1:20:33)
May I

[Speaker 1] (1:20:33 - 1:20:33)
as

[Speaker 9] (1:20:33 - 1:20:34)
make a comment?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:34 - 1:20:35)
an agenda item as well.

[Speaker 9] (1:20:36 - 1:20:49)
That the only urgency that I see is just that the ABC is so backed up and we're trying to get open as soon as possible so that that's the only urgency that I see is just we just want to get open as soon as we can.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:49 - 1:20:50)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (1:20:50 - 1:20:53)
Marcy I have question for you. I have heard from

[Speaker 8] (1:20:54 - 1:21:01)
other folks that have done business with there's a significant backlog at the ABCC do you know from your experience what that timeline is like

[Speaker 10] (1:21:01 - 1:21:02)
It really depends.

[Speaker 10] (1:21:02 - 1:21:06)
We did reach out to our contact at the Alcohol Beverage Control Commission.

[Speaker 10] (1:21:07 - 1:21:08)
They couldn't really give us a sense.

[Speaker 10] (1:21:09 - 1:21:15)
You know, it's a week by week, day by day, depending how many visits they are able to do, site visits and others.

[Speaker 10] (1:21:15 - 1:21:22)
I can tell you that the board has approved the all alcohol package license alcohol for.

[Speaker 10] (1:21:22 - 1:21:26)
or the Richdale location

[Speaker 3] (1:21:26 - 1:21:27)
Yep,

[Speaker 10] (1:21:27 - 1:21:33)
and they approved it within like two or three weeks time. But that was also an existing, that was only a change in um

[Speaker 7] (1:21:33 - 1:21:34)
That was a change

[Speaker 10] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
their

[Speaker 3] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
it

[Speaker 10] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
interest.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
in

[Speaker 3] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
was

[Speaker 7] (1:21:34 - 1:21:34)
ownership,

[Speaker 3] (1:21:34 - 1:21:35)
a change in license,

[Speaker 7] (1:21:35 - 1:21:35)
in license.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:35 - 1:21:35)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:21:35 - 1:21:40)
license. So maybe that was a little bit quicker, but I don't have a good sense in terms of how soon that will be turn around.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:40 - 1:21:42)
What has it typically been?

[Speaker 3] (1:21:42 - 1:21:43)
A little

[Speaker 7] (1:21:43 - 1:21:43)
Four

[Speaker 10] (1:21:43 - 1:21:43)
Sometimes

[Speaker 3] (1:21:43 - 1:21:43)
bit.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:43 - 1:21:43)
it to six?

[Speaker 10] (1:21:43 - 1:21:44)
could take up to a month.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:44 - 1:21:45)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:46 - 1:21:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:48 - 1:21:48)
But we

[Speaker 7] (1:21:48 - 1:21:48)
we

[Speaker 3] (1:21:48 - 1:21:48)
as

[Speaker 3] (1:21:50 - 1:21:58)
Okay, two things. One, can we leverage some of our state relationships to figure out to make sure that there are no swamp scout businesses like sitting in queue?

[Speaker 3] (1:21:58 - 1:21:58)
Like is there any?

[Speaker 8] (1:21:59 - 1:22:01)
We can reach out to our elected officials if

[Speaker 3] (1:22:01 - 1:22:02)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (1:22:02 - 1:22:04)
the type of thing that may or may not make

[Speaker 3] (1:22:04 - 1:22:04)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (1:22:04 - 1:22:05)
it move,

[Speaker 8] (1:22:05 - 1:22:05)
but we'll absolutely

[Speaker 3] (1:22:05 - 1:22:06)
But we

[Speaker 8] (1:22:06 - 1:22:06)
be happy to call.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:06 - 1:22:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:22:07 - 1:22:11)
But right now we don't have any pending licenses yet with the

[Speaker 3] (1:22:11 - 1:22:11)
Right,

[Speaker 10] (1:22:11 - 1:22:11)
alcoholic

[Speaker 3] (1:22:11 - 1:22:11)
just

[Speaker 8] (1:22:11 - 1:22:11)
We assume

[Speaker 3] (1:22:11 - 1:22:12)
this

[Speaker 8] (1:22:12 - 1:22:12)
we'll do it.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:12 - 1:22:12)
one.

[Speaker 8] (1:22:13 - 1:22:14)
What is the um

[Speaker 8] (1:22:15 - 1:22:18)
proposed date that you would like to open.

[Speaker 8] (1:22:19 - 1:22:19)
It I

[Speaker 9] (1:22:19 - 1:22:19)
We

[Speaker 8] (1:22:19 - 1:22:20)
know it's probably tomorrow.

[Speaker 9] (1:22:20 - 1:22:23)
plan on having an open house on July 3rd no matter what,

[Speaker 9] (1:22:23 - 1:22:27)
just to invite the town and the community to come and see what's going on,

[Speaker 9] (1:22:27 - 1:22:30)
whether the license is approved or not.

[Speaker 9] (1:22:30 - 1:22:32)
We want to just be open on the 3rd so people

[Speaker 3] (1:22:32 - 1:22:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:22:33 - 1:22:34)
can see what's happening.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:35 - 1:22:38)
Is it possible to have a special zoom meeting for

[Speaker 3] (1:22:38 - 1:22:38)
For what?

[Speaker 1] (1:22:38 - 1:22:41)
this liquor license for a second hearing

[Speaker 3] (1:22:43 - 1:22:45)
Yes, it is possible.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:47 - 1:22:48)
We can we can talk about that.

[Speaker 8] (1:22:51 - 1:22:53)
I think given the fact that we are

[Speaker 8] (1:22:55 - 1:23:01)
it's a unique property right I mean we've given their tenants of ours and it's a tight timeline that we've given them

[Speaker 8] (1:23:04 - 1:23:06)
I think I'm open to that conversation.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:06 - 1:23:13)
Yeah, I just want to make sure that the public understands so that they can come forward and have thoughts and opinions just like they have for all other instances.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:13 - 1:23:18)
So I don't just want to change the standard at, you

[Speaker 8] (1:23:18 - 1:23:19)
I'm in complete

[Speaker 3] (1:23:19 - 1:23:19)
know,

[Speaker 8] (1:23:19 - 1:23:19)
agreement

[Speaker 3] (1:23:19 - 1:23:19)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:19 - 1:23:20)
with you on that.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:21 - 1:23:27)
So we can consider that post this meeting rather than approving now.

[Speaker 10] (1:23:28 - 1:23:30)
So again, since this was a public hearing,

[Speaker 3] (1:23:30 - 1:23:30)
Oh,

[Speaker 10] (1:23:30 - 1:23:37)
if you could continue to a date certain and a time certain, then this way we don't have to re-advertise it because it's initial it's a public hearing.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:42 - 1:23:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:44 - 1:23:45)
Let me think on that.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:46 - 1:23:47)
Can we...

[Speaker 3] (1:23:58 - 1:24:11)
Well what if we did, what do what do folks think about a week from today coming back to consider it? That gives them whole 'nother week's time and we can still make sure that the public has adequate notice. And that would be a week faster than meeting to the seventeenth.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:12 - 1:24:12)
Sounds good.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:13 - 1:24:25)
I mean, I honestly the public knew about this, right? I mean, they had it, it was publicly posted. I mean, in fairness, I don't wanna hold up something just on procedural because it's what we've done.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:25 - 1:24:33)
prior right because they do have a chance it could be here, they could be online, you know. I don't want to negatively affect a business because of that.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:33 - 1:24:54)
Yeah, I just worry that somebody would be expecting a second meeting so they're like, oh I'm not gonna come to the first meeting because they always hear things twice and if like, I mean I know it's a slim chance, but I'm just saying like that's possible and so at least having a second opportunity for somebody to come forward, even if we accelerated it to the beginning of that week, we would have to post, you know like if we had it on the 8th, we'd have to post by tomorrow, correct?

[Speaker 7] (1:24:55 - 1:24:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:58 - 1:25:03)
So we could even do a Monday which would be like an additional five days for the public to come forward if they wanted to.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:05 - 1:25:06)
It would just afford the additional opportunity.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:06 - 1:25:08)
Is there anybody online for public comment?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:08 - 1:25:08)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:08 - 1:25:09)
There is not,

[Speaker 8] (1:25:09 - 1:25:09)
No one

[Speaker 3] (1:25:09 - 1:25:09)
there's no is hands

[Speaker 8] (1:25:09 - 1:25:10)
raising their

[Speaker 3] (1:25:10 - 1:25:10)
raised.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:10 - 1:25:10)
hand.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:10 - 1:25:11)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:11 - 1:25:13)
But I normally can see all the people's names.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:14 - 1:25:15)
No, it's not tonight.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:15 - 1:25:17)
Not judging, but Shannon makes it happen.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:17 - 1:25:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:17 - 1:25:19)
Shannon isn't here.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:19 - 1:25:21)
Joe's not here either,

[Speaker 8] (1:25:21 - 1:25:21)
so no.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:21 - 1:25:22)
So we're blaming Joe.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:22 - 1:25:22)
Could be anyone.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:22 - 1:25:23)
I'm just kidding.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:24 - 1:25:25)
We don't want to do that.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:25 - 1:25:27)
Our sound's going to count, cut out.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:27 - 1:25:28)
All right, so where are we looking at? Are we

[Speaker 3] (1:25:28 - 1:25:28)
All right, so,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:28 - 1:25:30)
looking at meeting Monday or Wednesday?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
Wednesday?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:35 - 1:25:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:25:38 - 1:25:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:38 - 1:25:39)
What do you guys think about Monday?

[Speaker 3] (1:25:39 - 1:25:41)
Are folks free on Monday the 8th?

[Speaker 7] (1:25:41 - 1:25:41)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:42 - 1:25:43)
No. How about

[Speaker 1] (1:25:43 - 1:25:43)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:43 - 1:25:43)
how

[Speaker 8] (1:25:43 - 1:25:44)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:25:44 - 1:25:44)
about what?

[Speaker 8] (1:25:44 - 1:25:46)
if it's only this, can we schedule

[Speaker 1] (1:25:46 - 1:25:46)
That's

[Speaker 8] (1:25:46 - 1:25:50)
around it? Are you talking about the SWAC meeting? Yeah, so there's just one other.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:51 - 1:25:52)
That's right at 630.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:52 - 1:25:53)
Is that right?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:54 - 1:25:54)
515.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:54 - 1:25:55)
Or 5 to 645.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:55 - 1:25:56)
515.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:56 - 1:25:56)
Is that what it is?

[Speaker 7] (1:25:56 - 1:25:57)
5,

[Speaker 7] (1:25:57 - 1:25:57)
15,

[Speaker 7] (1:25:57 - 1:25:58)
5, 30 to 6,

[Speaker 7] (1:25:59 - 1:25:59)
37.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:00 - 1:26:02)
637 that's very precise. You

[Speaker 7] (1:26:02 - 1:26:02)
I just

[Speaker 3] (1:26:02 - 1:26:02)
mean

[Speaker 7] (1:26:02 - 1:26:03)
know

[Speaker 3] (1:26:03 - 1:26:03)
630

[Speaker 7] (1:26:03 - 1:26:03)
how long it goes.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:03 - 1:26:05)
slash seven not 637.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
it's

[Speaker 1] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
you

[Speaker 7] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
it's

[Speaker 1] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
mean

[Speaker 7] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
starts

[Speaker 1] (1:26:05 - 1:26:05)
630.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:05 - 1:26:07)
at 5.15 and go for

[Speaker 3] (1:26:07 - 1:26:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:07 - 1:26:08)
about an hour, hour and a half.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:08 - 1:26:09)
Okay

[Speaker 7] (1:26:09 - 1:26:09)
So it's not gonna

[Speaker 3] (1:26:09 - 1:26:09)
so we

[Speaker 7] (1:26:09 - 1:26:09)
end

[Speaker 3] (1:26:09 - 1:26:14)
could have it if it starts at 515 we can have it at five if people are available. It's a z it's a zoom. It should

[Speaker 1] (1:26:14 - 1:26:14)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:14 - 1:26:14)
be pretty

[Speaker 1] (1:26:14 - 1:26:15)
I can do I can do five.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:15 - 1:26:16)
quick and

[Speaker 7] (1:26:16 - 1:26:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:17 - 1:26:17)
painless.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:17 - 1:26:18)
We'll have the zoom

[Speaker 1] (1:26:18 - 1:26:18)
We

[Speaker 8] (1:26:18 - 1:26:18)
option.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:18 - 1:26:25)
can get on the phone with our our estate officials now and just say there's a possibility that we might need some help.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:25 - 1:26:30)
Yeah, I'm sure they'll be happy to make a call. ABCC is just now one of the most

[Speaker 1] (1:26:30 - 1:26:31)
not receptive at all.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:31 - 1:26:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:31 - 1:26:32)
So

[Speaker 8] (1:26:32 - 1:26:32)
it's worth the effort.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:32 - 1:26:33)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:33 - 1:26:33)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:33 - 1:26:35)
I I just don't wanna promise that the effort will bear fruit.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:35 - 1:26:37)
Even if it's um

[Speaker 7] (1:26:37 - 1:26:38)
Is there anything unique about this?

[Speaker 3] (1:26:38 - 1:26:39)
ceremonial.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:39 - 1:26:40)
Is there anything unique about this application

[Speaker 8] (1:26:40 - 1:26:40)
No.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:40 - 1:26:42)
compared to anything else that we would expect?

[Speaker 1] (1:26:42 - 1:26:42)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:42 - 1:26:43)
No.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:43 - 1:26:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:43 - 1:26:43)
No.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:43 - 1:26:46)
'Cause it means the same facility, it's the same premises.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:46 - 1:26:47)
I mean of course there's

[Speaker 1] (1:26:47 - 1:26:53)
The only thing, it like anything, right, like mission is the noise concern, right, for any

[Speaker 3] (1:26:53 - 1:26:53)
Which is

[Speaker 1] (1:26:53 - 1:26:53)
of

[Speaker 3] (1:26:53 - 1:26:53)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:26:53 - 1:26:53)
us,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:53 - 1:26:53)
next

[Speaker 1] (1:26:53 - 1:26:54)
that's if anybody.

[Speaker 10] (1:26:54 - 1:26:55)
the entertainment, that comes under entertainment.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:55 - 1:26:56)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:56 - 1:26:56)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:56 - 1:26:56)
I mean

[Speaker 3] (1:26:56 - 1:26:56)
because

[Speaker 1] (1:26:56 - 1:26:56)
that that's

[Speaker 3] (1:26:56 - 1:26:57)
I agree.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:57 - 1:26:58)
really the, you know, main.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:59 - 1:27:05)
Are you, is it just the one bar and then table service, or d are you opening in a second location for a bar in the

[Speaker 9] (1:27:05 - 1:27:05)
Just

[Speaker 3] (1:27:05 - 1:27:05)
building?

[Speaker 9] (1:27:05 - 1:27:06)
the one bar.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:06 - 1:27:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:06 - 1:27:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:07 - 1:27:11)
So that'll be the service bar and the actual sit at the bar and consumption bar.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:12 - 1:27:13)
Exactly, yeah. There'll be a service bar.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:14 - 1:27:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:14 - 1:27:22)
And people can walk around with the drinks throughout the premises or are they like to the comedy club to the other things we see in your entertainment license?

[Speaker 9] (1:27:22 - 1:27:23)
Yes, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:23 - 1:27:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:25 - 1:27:39)
Alright, so then I guess the um motion would be to um continue the public hearing to June 8th at five o'clock, Monday June 8th at five o'clock, and we will post a lice uh h uh

[Speaker 8] (1:27:39 - 1:27:40)
Virtual agenda meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:40 - 1:27:41)
for that.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:41 - 1:27:48)
Out of curiosity will we have a quo I may not be able to be there at the 5th, which is fine if there's four other members that can be there.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:48 - 1:27:49)
I can be there at five.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:49 - 1:27:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:49 - 1:27:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:49 - 1:27:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:50 - 1:27:50)
We're gonna be there at five.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:50 - 1:27:51)
On Zoom.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:51 - 1:27:52)
Mary Ellen you can be there

[Speaker 1] (1:27:52 - 1:27:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:52 - 1:27:52)
at five.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:52 - 1:27:53)
Correct. It'll be virtual.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
Virtual.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
Virtual animal,

[Speaker 8] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:53 - 1:27:54)
yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:54 - 1:27:54)
It's

[Speaker 3] (1:27:54 - 1:27:54)
which is also what you

[Speaker 1] (1:27:54 - 1:27:54)
so I

[Speaker 3] (1:27:54 - 1:27:55)
get

[Speaker 1] (1:27:55 - 1:27:55)
would from say.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:55 - 1:27:56)
Waltham,

[Speaker 3] (1:27:56 - 1:27:58)
so for that time frame.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:58 - 1:27:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:27:58 - 1:28:04)
Okay, so that's great. So let's do that. That way we can still honor the public's ability to come forward if they want,

[Speaker 3] (1:28:04 - 1:28:07)
and we can try to expedite this process for you.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:08 - 1:28:09)
You asked for the motion,

[Speaker 9] (1:28:09 - 1:28:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:09 - 1:28:09)
I

[Speaker 8] (1:28:09 - 1:28:09)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:28:09 - 1:28:11)
asked for a motion. Does anybody want to make it?

[Speaker 1] (1:28:11 - 1:28:11)
Motion.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:11 - 1:28:12)
Second?

[Speaker 8] (1:28:12 - 1:28:12)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:12 - 1:28:13)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:28:13 - 1:28:13)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:13 - 1:28:13)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:13 - 1:28:15)
Aye. Thank you, Nick, for keeping us on task.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:16 - 1:28:19)
All right, so this is tabled until 6-8.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:20 - 1:28:24)
We will now move on to a discussion and possible vote of the common vitriolers license.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:27 - 1:28:28)
Again,

[Speaker 3] (1:28:28 - 1:28:31)
for our Center for Performing Arts.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:31 - 1:28:32)
It's a little fuzzy.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:32 - 1:28:36)
I'm sorry, no, she's going to say similar to the request for the liquor license hours,

[Speaker 10] (1:28:36 - 1:28:43)
the hours of operation would be from 11 a.m. to 1 a.m. and again Monday through Sunday.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:46 - 1:28:52)
And this is in line that the license for that was the prior holder's license.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:53 - 1:28:54)
Wasn't

[Speaker 3] (1:28:54 - 1:28:55)
Wasn't quite as late,

[Speaker 3] (1:28:55 - 1:28:55)
right?

[Speaker 7] (1:28:55 - 1:28:55)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:55 - 1:28:56)
That's correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:56 - 1:28:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:56 - 1:29:07)
Theirs was until 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday as well as Monday through Thursday 11.30 till 10 and Saturday from 12 to 10.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:07 - 1:29:11)
Okay. And that aligns though with Mission right next door.

[Speaker 8] (1:29:11 - 1:29:12)
Mission has the same hours

[Speaker 3] (1:29:12 - 1:29:12)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:29:12 - 1:29:12)
on theirs?

[Speaker 3] (1:29:12 - 1:29:13)
They're 11 to 1

[Speaker 8] (1:29:13 - 1:29:13)
On

[Speaker 3] (1:29:13 - 1:29:13)
right now.

[Speaker 8] (1:29:13 - 1:29:13)
Vic?

[Speaker 10] (1:29:14 - 1:29:15)
That's correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:15 - 1:29:17)
Yep. They have to be their alcoholic,

[Speaker 3] (1:29:17 - 1:29:19)
their alcoholic license goes to that.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:20 - 1:29:20)
Right, oh right.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:22 - 1:29:23)
Um

[Speaker 2] (1:29:23 - 1:29:23)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:24 - 1:29:40)
So again, I would suggest um, you know if there's any public comment or any of this, we table this to that meeting and we vote we support to if we choose to support to vote in favour that we do it at the eighth rather than unless there are any additional questions or if you guys want to approve it now.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:40 - 1:29:43)
I just have I mean I know they trying

[Speaker 4] (1:29:43 - 1:29:47)
to think how to ask this question. There's multiple businesses within the business.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:47 - 1:29:47)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:47 - 1:29:49)
Do they have to be individually identified?

[Speaker 3] (1:29:49 - 1:29:53)
Or are they all under the Swamp Scout for the Performing Arts umbrella?

[Speaker 6] (1:29:56 - 1:29:58)
I'm not sure I understand the question.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:00 - 1:30:01)
Yes. Well, so

[Speaker 6] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01)
They're

[Speaker 7] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01)
is

[Speaker 6] (1:30:01 - 1:30:01)
subleases,

[Speaker 7] (1:30:01 - 1:30:02)
that clear?

[Speaker 6] (1:30:02 - 1:30:03)
they're sublets.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:03 - 1:30:07)
What's in front of you is a a conventualist license. That's what we're talking about.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:08 - 1:30:25)
Conventualist applies to a facility or establishment that offers seating and provides food service or something. So it is my understanding that Maria's catering or the lease of the space of the former fish market,

[Speaker 7] (1:30:25 - 1:30:27)
there will not be seating there.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:27 - 1:30:27)
So therefore

[Speaker 7] (1:30:27 - 1:30:34)
or that does not apply so this is strictly in regards to the the operations of the jewelry restaurant or I'm not sure

[Speaker 4] (1:30:34 - 1:30:35)
what Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
else you wanted

[Speaker 6] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
What

[Speaker 7] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
to

[Speaker 6] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
what

[Speaker 7] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
put

[Speaker 6] (1:30:35 - 1:30:36)
do you call it?

[Speaker 8] (1:30:36 - 1:30:36)
in the Lounge.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:36 - 1:30:42)
That's the clarification I was looking for. So if if Maria's comes and they would be applying for their own.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:43 - 1:30:43)
Well they wouldn't have seating,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:43 - 1:30:44)
There would be so uh

[Speaker 1] (1:30:44 - 1:30:44)
they would not be

[Speaker 7] (1:30:44 - 1:30:44)
there

[Speaker 1] (1:30:44 - 1:30:45)
a plank for a common

[Speaker 3] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
Oh, they seating must

[Speaker 1] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
vegetable.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
be.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:45 - 1:30:49)
they would just need they would just need a board of health permitting. And then

[Speaker 3] (1:30:49 - 1:30:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:49 - 1:30:57)
the reason is that you know like obviously the in order for them to seek a common victual license there'll be other issues such as bathroom compliance and some

[Speaker 9] (1:30:57 - 1:30:57)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:57 - 1:31:00)
some other um board of health issues as well as building standards.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:01 - 1:31:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:01 - 1:31:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:02 - 1:31:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:03 - 1:31:07)
Um so the temperature on holding this to the eighth or to voting on it?

[Speaker 7] (1:31:07 - 1:31:09)
I don't know why we wouldn't just vote on it.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:09 - 1:31:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:09 - 1:31:09)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (1:31:09 - 1:31:10)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:31:10 - 1:31:10)
know.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:10 - 1:31:11)
make a motion. Let's do it.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:11 - 1:31:12)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:12 - 1:31:13)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:13 - 1:31:14)
All in favor?

[Speaker 7] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:14 - 1:31:14)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:14 - 1:31:15)
I.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:15 - 1:31:17)
Okay. On to the entertainment license.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:19 - 1:31:21)
Uh, so the entertainment license,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:21 - 1:31:23)
Marzia, you want to give a little rundown?

[Speaker 7] (1:31:23 - 1:31:24)
Absolutely, yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:24 - 1:31:25)
So once again,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:25 - 1:31:26)
Mr.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:26 - 1:31:34)
DeCastro is seeking an entertainment license to be able to offer entertainment such as live bands,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:34 - 1:31:36)
up to six musicians,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:36 - 1:31:37)
comedy,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:37 - 1:31:40)
solo artists such as piano players, perhaps singing.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:42 - 1:31:48)
as well as maybe trivia nights and other entertainment venues.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:48 - 1:31:52)
And the hours are consistent with the other request,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:52 - 1:31:56)
being 11 a.m. to 1 a.m., Monday through Sunday.

[Speaker 10] (1:31:59 - 1:32:06)
On the application there was the application I originally looked at like things were not checked off like TVs.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:09 - 1:32:10)
So I think, I'm not sure,

[Speaker 10] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
Okay, adopt

[Speaker 7] (1:32:10 - 1:32:11)
this year

[Speaker 10] (1:32:11 - 1:32:11)
it.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:11 - 1:32:26)
the application was a little bit different that we requested that the applicant write in what was what was the what was being offered in there. I think you are remember how we had the older application in the past, then you want just kind of ask the applicants to write things in. So I hope that you

[Speaker 1] (1:32:26 - 1:32:31)
So it just says types of entertainment and you fill it out. So this does not approve a television if there are TVs.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:32 - 1:32:32)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:32:32 - 1:32:32)
All

[Speaker 3] (1:32:32 - 1:32:32)
saw,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:32 - 1:32:32)
right.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:32 - 1:32:34)
Marilyn I saw what you're looking at too and I can't figure out what license

[Speaker 4] (1:32:34 - 1:32:34)
print paid.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:34 - 1:32:35)
it is.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:35 - 1:32:35)
Yeah, Uh okay, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:35 - 1:32:36)
no.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:36 - 1:32:36)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:32:36 - 1:32:36)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 10] (1:32:36 - 1:32:36)
so it

[Speaker 3] (1:32:36 - 1:32:36)
should be

[Speaker 10] (1:32:36 - 1:32:36)
doesn't

[Speaker 3] (1:32:36 - 1:32:37)
in the license.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:37 - 1:32:37)
matter.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:37 - 1:32:38)
license.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:38 - 1:32:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:38 - 1:32:42)
So this w hold on. This is the former

[Speaker 7] (1:32:42 - 1:32:43)
Oh, yes,

[Speaker 10] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43)
Field

[Speaker 7] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43)
yes,

[Speaker 10] (1:32:43 - 1:32:43)
version.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:43 - 1:32:48)
so that should be, that should be checked, I apologize for that, sorry, I didn't, I thought you would match the

[Speaker 3] (1:32:49 - 1:32:56)
Yeah, I think they are checked off and they match what's at the back, but I, Mary Ellen highlighted television is not included. So there will not be televisions.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:56 - 1:32:57)
No, there will be TVs.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:58 - 1:32:59)
So we want to check that?

[Speaker 6] (1:32:59 - 1:33:00)
Yes, please.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:00 - 1:33:03)
Why don't we hold this one till Monday and we can get a revised version and circulate.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:03 - 1:33:05)
Right, because I think you want to check off everything.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:05 - 1:33:06)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:33:06 - 1:33:06)
And trivia.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:06 - 1:33:06)
fine.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:06 - 1:33:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:07 - 1:33:07)
Everything.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:07 - 1:33:07)
Everything,

[Speaker 10] (1:33:07 - 1:33:08)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:08 - 1:33:08)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:08 - 1:33:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
Just

[Speaker 6] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:09 - 1:33:10)
so you're protected.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:10 - 1:33:18)
I do have one concern just because the way that noise travels on the water is unpredictable sometimes,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:18 - 1:33:18)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:33:18 - 1:33:22)
The wind blows and all of a sudden it's literally at the bands in somebody's living room.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:23 - 1:33:25)
And I want to make sure that...

[Speaker 1] (1:33:25 - 1:33:49)
number one we acknowledge that and number two I understand that you might have the back porch open for seating and I just worry if music is being played by a live band that that sound can travel aggressively and that you know midnight that can be a lot for the neighbors so is there a consideration like that you have you thought about that how we could change it

[Speaker 6] (1:33:49 - 1:33:51)
Unfortunately, this is one of the areas of

[Speaker 6] (1:33:51 - 1:33:53)
that I've experienced in.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:55 - 1:34:22)
We are very lucky to have a building like that. It was built it's it's very acoustically sound and especially being encased in so much glass and with the rugs on the floor and the acoustic ceiling tiles. So you're really not going to have a lot of noise penetrating outside of the building. And if the and we would close those doors if there was ever entertainment at the same time. We have to do the same thing at the beacon if there's a certain time at night probably around.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:22 - 1:34:32)
around 9.30 or 10 a.m where we close all the doors that are to the patio or to the front of the street just to be uh considerate to the neighbors.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:32 - 1:34:49)
So we had a serious issue with one of the vendors on Humphrey Street years ago when they opened up and it it took a lot of work and negotiations to get things reeled in and basically the rule of thumb is

[Speaker 10] (1:34:50 - 1:34:54)
Your music stays in your building, and it's not on the sidewalk. And

[Speaker 6] (1:34:54 - 1:34:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:54 - 1:34:58)
that vendor has done a great job of being compliant with

[Speaker 6] (1:34:58 - 1:34:58)
Oh,

[Speaker 10] (1:34:58 - 1:34:58)
our

[Speaker 6] (1:34:58 - 1:34:59)
good.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:59 - 1:35:06)
rules. So I just want to make sure that this entertainment licence reflects that, that this is your entertainment in your building

[Speaker 6] (1:35:06 - 1:35:06)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:06 - 1:35:07)
and not for

[Speaker 10] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
everyone Outside else.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:09 - 1:35:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:09 - 1:35:10)
public consumption.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:10 - 1:35:11)
We'll do that.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:11 - 1:35:13)
Including the little fishies or whoever they are.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:13 - 1:35:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:14 - 1:35:15)
Yeah, well, that's fine.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:16 - 1:35:23)
Okay, so we will um table this until the 8th. I'll put it on that agenda also, just so we can make sure that we're getting the the

[Speaker 7] (1:35:23 - 1:35:23)
Everything.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:23 - 1:35:26)
clearest version of what you're looking for approval for and

[Speaker 4] (1:35:26 - 1:35:26)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:35:26 - 1:35:27)
you'll

[Speaker 4] (1:35:27 - 1:35:28)
do have a question.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:28 - 1:35:29)
Oh please, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:29 - 1:35:29)
Yeah, that's okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:29 - 1:35:42)
Um just because you know I'm less familiar with the process itself. So beg me the the lack of prior knowledge, but is there some quantitative way to measure noise as opposed to

[Speaker 4] (1:35:42 - 1:35:45)
eh, it's too loud or, you know.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:45 - 1:35:46)
Decibel meter.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:46 - 1:35:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:47 - 1:35:49)
You stand on the sidewalk if you hear the if you

[Speaker 4] (1:35:49 - 1:35:49)
Well,

[Speaker 10] (1:35:49 - 1:35:50)
hear that band.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:50 - 1:35:50)
we

[Speaker 10] (1:35:50 - 1:35:50)
It's too loud

[Speaker 11] (1:35:50 - 1:35:52)
we have a noise by

[Speaker 1] (1:35:52 - 1:35:58)
have a noise bylaw that we have to follow but that bylaw the standards in that bylaw need to be uh

[Speaker 11] (1:35:58 - 1:35:58)
Adjusted

[Speaker 1] (1:35:58 - 1:36:03)
adjusted as it's been brought forward and it should be hopefully

[Speaker 11] (1:36:03 - 1:36:03)
In

[Speaker 1] (1:36:03 - 1:36:03)
on the

[Speaker 11] (1:36:03 - 1:36:03)
the fall.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:03 - 1:36:07)
in the fall warrant so um whether or not

[Speaker 1] (1:36:07 - 1:36:10)
from now till Saturday?

[Speaker 3] (1:36:10 - 1:36:14)
Is there any is there anything we should set expectations for for this gentleman?

[Speaker 1] (1:36:14 - 1:36:15)
I hope we just did.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:15 - 1:36:15)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:36:15 - 1:36:17)
I think he's picking up what we're putting

[Speaker 10] (1:36:17 - 1:36:18)
down. We can put

[Speaker 6] (1:36:18 - 1:36:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:36:18 - 1:36:18)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:18 - 1:36:18)
that right

[Speaker 6] (1:36:18 - 1:36:18)
No problem.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:18 - 1:36:19)
in the...

[Speaker 6] (1:36:19 - 1:36:23)
I've had to work in places that use decibel meters,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:23 - 1:36:28)
so during a sound check, there would be an engineer in the audience holding a decibel meter,

[Speaker 6] (1:36:28 - 1:36:30)
and then the engineer would...

[Speaker 6] (1:36:30 - 1:36:37)
uh conform to what they uh recommended. So, I mean it it is a legitimate uh concern.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:37 - 1:36:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:38 - 1:36:53)
So hopefully we have musicians that are professional enough to work within those guidelines. I think most of the time we will. Tha that's the kind of entertainment that we're seeking and we'll uh we'll definitely have managers on site to make sure it's regulated.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:53 - 1:36:53)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:53 - 1:36:55)
So that yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:55 - 1:36:59)
Um one other question I see, and we're talking about the difference between the front page

[Speaker 4] (1:36:59 - 1:37:05)
page in the back. One says up to six musicians, the other one says max of three instruments plus vocals. And so

[Speaker 1] (1:37:06 - 1:37:07)
So we're gonna have that rectified

[Speaker 4] (1:37:07 - 1:37:08)
we'll

[Speaker 1] (1:37:08 - 1:37:08)
for us.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:08 - 1:37:08)
have that rectified

[Speaker 11] (1:37:08 - 1:37:08)
You will

[Speaker 4] (1:37:08 - 1:37:08)
as well.

[Speaker 11] (1:37:08 - 1:37:11)
we'll get a revised license for Just you all

[Speaker 4] (1:37:11 - 1:37:11)
noting

[Speaker 11] (1:37:11 - 1:37:11)
to look at. Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:11 - 1:37:12)
the different

[Speaker 11] (1:37:12 - 1:37:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:12 - 1:37:13)
differentiation, that's all.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:16 - 1:37:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:17 - 1:37:18)
Thank you for coming.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:18 - 1:37:19)
What did you say you're opening?

[Speaker 1] (1:37:19 - 1:37:21)
He says the 31st is going to be open.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:21 - 1:37:24)
We're planning on having an open house on July 3rd.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:25 - 1:37:25)
What time?

[Speaker 6] (1:37:26 - 1:37:26)
I'm not

[Speaker 10] (1:37:26 - 1:37:27)
Here's a commercial for you.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:27 - 1:37:35)
sure of the exact time, but I just want people to be able to use the property and see the fireworks and have a good time.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:35 - 1:37:35)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:35 - 1:37:36)
That's great.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:36 - 1:37:40)
And by then you'll really be able to see the environments that we've created inside.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:41 - 1:37:41)
Awesome.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:41 - 1:37:42)
It's going to be fun.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:43 - 1:37:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:37:43 - 1:37:43)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:43 - 1:37:49)
All right. Looking forward to it. So we'll be back on the 8th for the liquor and the entertainment.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:50 - 1:37:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:51 - 1:37:52)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:52 - 1:37:57)
We'll be moving on to the discussion of the town meeting calendar for the fall, please.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:02 - 1:38:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:08 - 1:38:09)
Okay. So...

[Speaker 11] (1:38:09 - 1:38:28)
I just since I started we've been sort of running from one thing to the next over the last few months and we saw an opportunity with getting through town meeting for us to put together a schedule that actually reaches out into the December town meeting all the way to next May and I worked with Katie DuPont on this to try to

[Speaker 11] (1:38:29 - 1:38:42)
Formulize something that gives us a little more uh lead, lead time on both sort of opening, closing the warrants and then making sure that there's an opportunity for us to put everything together, get it out to town meeting members a little earlier.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:42 - 1:38:55)
Um and so what we have here is a proposal, um a recommendation rather, or when we would like um to open and close and then get uh recommendations from you all.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:56 - 1:39:10)
looking at this fall and this is something that if if you all are on board we would be communicating to all the elected appointed appointed boards as well as town staff so everyone is focused on what these dates are and when they should be prepared and when they should be going through the public process is necessary.

[Speaker 11] (1:39:11 - 1:39:14)
I would just highlight that this fall we

[Speaker 1] (1:39:40 - 1:39:57)
to there's a a focused effort both on the staff side and the uh elected appointed board side to be bringing things forward on a a semi-regular schedule going forward. If something pops, something needs to be addressed, this is not a prohibition, it's just sort of a guideline that we're trying to work within. Um so

[Speaker 1] (1:39:57 - 1:39:59)
the one thing I just want to highlight both

[Speaker 1] (1:40:00 - 1:40:20)
uh in this one it certainly is there is right now some um conflict between the bylaws and the charter on the dates for the spring town meeting um so the bylaw sets town meeting as being uh the same day as election day i believe and the charter sets it where we have it

[Speaker 1] (1:40:21 - 1:40:50)
The the other the other place for the bylaws in conflict is on the citizen petition deadline where that is really tied more to the this earlier town meeting date but we're trying to keep both for this and going forward obviously we're we're going to be in compliance um you know plenty of runway for someone to get a citizen citizen petition together and because they're both annual town meetings the um threshold to qualify for the warrant is 10 signatures it doesn't go up to 250 which it would have if it was

[Speaker 1] (1:40:50 - 1:40:51)
It was a special town meeting in the fall.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:52 - 1:40:59)
So I just wanted to highlight that. But this is the working schedule that we have where we'd open at the beginning of September,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:59 - 1:41:02)
the idea that it closes at the beginning of October.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:02 - 1:41:16)
Then everything that we'll be well aware likely by October 7th, what you all are going to be facing in the warrant, but the recommendations, the goal is to have that October 21st meeting be where you all weigh in where possible.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:16 - 1:41:33)
always be the opportunity for something to get pushed to town meeting and be noted in the warrant that way but the hope here is that we are you know getting printed and out the door the beginning of November ahead of getting too close to Thanksgiving or anything like that and giving everyone plenty of time to deliberate on what they would

[Speaker 1] (1:41:33 - 1:41:42)
Uh how they would like to vote and any questions they may have. This schedule also gives us an opportunity to do something that I talked to Ryan about a little bit. And I know Mike tried in the past,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:43 - 1:41:47)
um was potentially doing like a office hours educational opportunity uh

[Speaker 2] (1:41:47 - 1:41:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:48 - 1:42:00)
where myself and the the moderator would be available either with a presentation or for a little literal just come in and ask any question about anything on there um at some point in between. And again, this the the goal here is to give us just more runway.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:01 - 1:42:06)
to be doing that and to getting getting the printed warrant um out the door and professionally put together as well.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:06 - 1:42:13)
We used to have a schedule. Every select board member had a time slot alongside the moderator, and we would sh we would show up too.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:13 - 1:42:14)
Well if you're volunteering then we will

[Speaker 3] (1:42:14 - 1:42:14)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:14 - 1:42:15)
make sure

[Speaker 3] (1:42:15 - 1:42:15)
I'm I

[Speaker 1] (1:42:15 - 1:42:15)
we

[Speaker 3] (1:42:15 - 1:42:15)
think

[Speaker 1] (1:42:15 - 1:42:15)
do that.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:15 - 1:42:17)
it's important to be publicly engaged in that way, so

[Speaker 1] (1:42:17 - 1:42:18)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:18 - 1:42:22)
and especially since some of the a lot of them are select board proposed,

[Speaker 3] (1:42:23 - 1:42:30)
good to have or, you know, in the fall when if when the zoning changes come forward having a representative there who can speak.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:30 - 1:42:30)
Speak

[Speaker 3] (1:42:30 - 1:42:31)
more

[Speaker 1] (1:42:31 - 1:42:31)
to the details.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:31 - 1:42:32)
broadly speak to it.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:33 - 1:42:38)
So the conflict you're talking about, is in the general bylaws? Which article?

[Speaker 1] (1:42:38 - 1:42:39)
I don't know the article

[Speaker 4] (1:42:39 - 1:42:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:39 - 1:42:40)
off the top of my head, Wayne, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:40 - 1:42:40)
Bylaws,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:40 - 1:42:41)
I I

[Speaker 5] (1:42:41 - 1:42:41)
exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:41 - 1:42:42)
can circulate.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:42 - 1:42:43)
It's between the bylaws and

[Speaker 1] (1:42:43 - 1:42:44)
And the the charter. charter,

[Speaker 5] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
correct.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
right,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:44 - 1:42:45)
And the charter controls.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:46 - 1:42:47)
Right. And so

[Speaker 1] (1:42:47 - 1:42:55)
The deadlines I believe are set in the bylaw for like the citizen petition being in February, but that relates more to an April

[Speaker 4] (1:42:55 - 1:42:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:55 - 1:42:56)
uh the s

[Speaker 1] (1:42:56 - 1:42:58)
So it's

[Speaker 3] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Are we not going to fix it

[Speaker 6] (1:42:58 - 1:42:59)
Just

[Speaker 3] (1:42:59 - 1:42:59)
in this doc?

[Speaker 6] (1:42:59 - 1:43:00)
need a new bylaw. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:00 - 1:43:01)
Shall we just fix

[Speaker 1] (1:43:01 - 1:43:01)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:43:01 - 1:43:01)
that?

[Speaker 1] (1:43:01 - 1:43:19)
I think there's a number of different ways we actually talk to K_P_ there's Jared I put together a list of things that were not scriveners errors, but there are changes that can be made without like reopening the charter or going into full bot it's as we codify and put it into E_ code which is to get everything online, it's another goal of ours, that

[Speaker 3] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:19 - 1:43:24)
Jared had started, um that was one suggestion of Katie that we're gonna talk to K_P_ about my

[Speaker 1] (1:43:25 - 1:43:30)
idea would be a bylaw change as opposed to just saying like, oh we're making this edit and that edit

[Speaker 3] (1:43:30 - 1:43:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:30 - 1:43:33)
so that it's, you know, very clear to everyone what we're doing and why.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:34 - 1:43:34)
But

[Speaker 3] (1:43:34 - 1:43:34)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:34 - 1:43:40)
it it's really more of a clean-up as opposed to making significant changes, because the charter controls and that's how we operate.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:41 - 1:43:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:41 - 1:43:43)
I think it's a grand idea, Nick.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:43 - 1:43:44)
I think both

[Speaker 6] (1:43:44 - 1:43:44)
Anyway

[Speaker 3] (1:43:44 - 1:43:47)
ways. we can have more transparent expectations

[Speaker 6] (1:43:47 - 1:43:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:47 - 1:43:48)
is fantastic.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:48 - 1:43:49)
More direction,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:49 - 1:43:49)
So.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:49 - 1:43:50)
simple, simplified

[Speaker 4] (1:43:50 - 1:43:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:50 - 1:43:51)
things.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:51 - 1:43:51)
This is great.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:51 - 1:43:52)
I think um

[Speaker 6] (1:43:52 - 1:44:04)
The one thing that I really want to be pretty cognitive of is the December town meeting is right in the middle of two major holidays and the kids'

[Speaker 6] (1:44:04 - 1:44:07)
concerts and stuff like that. And

[Speaker 3] (1:44:07 - 1:44:07)
Sure is.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:07 - 1:44:15)
having that as skinny as possible is really helpful. I think people are prepared to have

[Speaker 6] (1:44:16 - 1:44:29)
two nights in the spring whereas as we go into December asking them for two nights is is pretty tough. So if we could just be pretty clear on that and try to keep that as thin as possible would

[Speaker 1] (1:44:29 - 1:44:29)
Yeah. Um

[Speaker 6] (1:44:29 - 1:44:30)
be important.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:32 - 1:44:33)
try not to be the Debbie Downer in this situation.

[Speaker 7] (1:44:34 - 1:44:34)
But Do I'm it.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:34 - 1:44:42)
putting my planning board hat on, I would never be able to get the level of detail that I would want for a zoning article.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:42 - 1:44:52)
for a December town meeting, if my deadline was October seventh. It would just be town engagement over the summer for our town. Like if I was doing three A again, which in Swampscott went beautifully in swimmingly,

[Speaker 6] (1:44:52 - 1:44:53)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:53 - 1:44:54)
um

[Speaker 8] (1:44:54 - 1:44:55)
Not so much at other

[Speaker 5] (1:44:55 - 1:45:01)
it would never have been able to have happened going through our town halls over the summer to engage the community.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:01 - 1:45:03)
You mean it uh do you mean as far as getting

[Speaker 5] (1:45:03 - 1:45:04)
The community it, it

[Speaker 6] (1:45:04 - 1:45:06)
in well b mailed out? Because it

[Speaker 5] (1:45:06 - 1:45:07)
No, I

[Speaker 3] (1:45:07 - 1:45:07)
Are we talking about it?

[Speaker 5] (1:45:07 - 1:45:27)
two things. One actually do the work to put together a zoning by-law change that's more than just okay we're changing dimensional regulations. Anything substantive takes a long runway, and that long runway being over the summer with we can all speak to our different boards, there you don't always have perfect attendance over the summer because people have lives outside of this would be difficult.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:28 - 1:45:33)
Meanwhile, engaging in the public engagement process,

[Speaker 5] (1:45:33 - 1:45:43)
Marcy and our town planner at the time did a great job with our 3A. I think we had three or four public engagement seminars or what not.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:43 - 1:45:44)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:45 - 1:45:58)
under this timeline that would all have to happen in August September. It would just make me uncur uh wary of get being able to have the public engagement we need for something that I think people are wary of zoning changes, understandably so,

[Speaker 5] (1:45:58 - 1:46:00)
at a time when people are super busy over the summer.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:01 - 1:46:08)
Well you're not required to to have it ha in the fall town meeting, right? I mean you can still push it to spring if you needed more runway, right?

[Speaker 6] (1:46:09 - 1:46:15)
Well you o you also don't have to have it verbatim on the clothes. I mean you can have a placeholder

[Speaker 1] (1:46:15 - 1:46:15)
That that

[Speaker 3] (1:46:15 - 1:46:16)
that's how we did

[Speaker 1] (1:46:16 - 1:46:16)
was

[Speaker 3] (1:46:16 - 1:46:16)
all the other

[Speaker 1] (1:46:16 - 1:46:17)
what I was gonna highlight

[Speaker 3] (1:46:17 - 1:46:17)
ones.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:17 - 1:46:18)
was that

[Speaker 5] (1:46:18 - 1:46:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:18 - 1:46:18)
it's

[Speaker 6] (1:46:18 - 1:46:18)
It's just a

[Speaker 1] (1:46:18 - 1:46:21)
long placeholder. as it's clear what will be there,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:21 - 1:46:23)
the final language is not necessary.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:23 - 1:46:24)
Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:25 - 1:46:31)
But you're still saying in order to have public hearings and getting your committee together, that that timing is a

[Speaker 5] (1:46:31 - 1:46:31)
The

[Speaker 6] (1:46:31 - 1:46:31)
challenge.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:31 - 1:46:35)
timing coinciding with the summer and the start of school would just be

[Speaker 5] (1:46:35 - 1:46:49)
i it would make me worry of the level of public engagement we would have and i would not want to us to create a framework for approval for zoning decisions where we're making it more difficult to get public engagement for something that rightfully so people are generally skeptical of zoning changes so

[Speaker 3] (1:46:49 - 1:46:50)
So September, October, November,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:51 - 1:47:00)
even closing the warrant in October, but understanding that substantively it didn't have to be verbatim, still having November that still probably is not long enough.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:01 - 1:47:22)
I would suggest we maybe discuss this with the acting chair of the planning board and maybe some other folks who are on our land use boards who might have s well, I guess planning's the only one that authorizes zoning changes, but just the the alignment of the runway needed for a zoning change to successfully be adopted overlapping with summer and start of school year makes

[Speaker 6] (1:47:22 - 1:47:23)
Have you had a chance

[Speaker 5] (1:47:23 - 1:47:23)
me nervous.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:23 - 1:47:23)
to do that now?

[Speaker 4] (1:47:23 - 1:47:30)
Just looking at the calendar, is there a way to compress the the six and a half, almost seven weeks between October twenty first and December seventh?

[Speaker 1] (1:47:31 - 1:47:34)
We th we lose a full week to Thanksgiving.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:35 - 1:47:37)
Yeah, but what activity is actually happening between the

[Speaker 1] (1:47:37 - 1:47:37)
We need

[Speaker 4] (1:47:37 - 1:47:37)
time

[Speaker 1] (1:47:37 - 1:47:39)
to print and mail.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:40 - 1:47:42)
So short we can push it,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
and

[Speaker 4] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
You're only seven

[Speaker 1] (1:47:42 - 1:47:43)
we if

[Speaker 4] (1:47:43 - 1:47:44)
weeks to do that, though.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:44 - 1:47:45)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:45 - 1:47:46)
If I could just finish answering

[Speaker 4] (1:47:46 - 1:47:46)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:46 - 1:47:46)
questions.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:46 - 1:47:46)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:46 - 1:47:48)
So we could push it to November,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:48 - 1:47:50)
the beginning of November,

[Speaker 4] (1:47:50 - 1:47:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:50 - 1:47:54)
and then we basically have ten days to get it professionally.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:55 - 1:47:57)
Like printing it in-house is something that's been done.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:57 - 1:48:00)
And it's not the way that I wanna do this. That's part of trying to

[Speaker 4] (1:48:00 - 1:48:00)
Sure. Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:00 - 1:48:03)
set this up. Um so we actually need

[Speaker 1] (1:48:04 - 1:48:10)
And I can get exact dates, but it's like if we go past sort of the first meeting in November, we are setting ourselves up for something

[Speaker 6] (1:48:11 - 1:48:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:11 - 1:48:12)
that's difficult.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:12 - 1:48:18)
Yeah, and then you're putting it on the public to review and to do all these uh the moderator conversation

[Speaker 4] (1:48:18 - 1:48:19)
Mm.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:19 - 1:48:21)
between when the people receive their warrant through the holiday season

[Speaker 6] (1:48:21 - 1:48:22)
During the holiday season.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:22 - 1:48:24)
and that's really tough too. So

[Speaker 1] (1:48:24 - 1:48:24)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:48:24 - 1:48:25)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (1:48:25 - 1:48:25)
it's

[Speaker 3] (1:48:25 - 1:48:25)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:48:25 - 1:48:25)
not

[Speaker 3] (1:48:25 - 1:48:25)
not it's just

[Speaker 1] (1:48:25 - 1:48:28)
the season, but also like that whole week of Thanksgiving is lost.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:28 - 1:48:29)
Is lost.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:29 - 1:48:29)
lost Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:29 - 1:48:29)
forever.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:29 - 1:48:29)
understood.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:29 - 1:48:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:30 - 1:48:33)
Yeah. So why don't we talk to the chair.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:33 - 1:48:35)
So we had talked about it on the staff side in

[Speaker 3] (1:48:35 - 1:48:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:36 - 1:48:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:36 - 1:48:40)
the spring. We were we were saying, you know, as we're looking at this warrant,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:40 - 1:48:45)
do we think it makes sense in the general sense had been yes. But I think we need to engage in the conversations.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:46 - 1:48:46)
And some of the

[Speaker 1] (1:48:46 - 1:48:46)
The

[Speaker 6] (1:48:46 - 1:48:46)
board members.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:46 - 1:48:50)
other the other piece of it is board changes happening,

[Speaker 1] (1:48:50 - 1:48:52)
which we saw on this board and

[Speaker 4] (1:48:52 - 1:48:52)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:52 - 1:48:54)
obviously on the planning board as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:55 - 1:48:59)
If we do them in the spring, uh someone does all of the work on it and then there's a new

[Speaker 3] (1:48:59 - 1:48:59)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:59 - 1:49:06)
member or members that may agree disagree want to have had different input, that was the consideration in this as well.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:06 - 1:49:07)
I mean we

[Speaker 1] (1:49:07 - 1:49:07)
And

[Speaker 3] (1:49:07 - 1:49:07)
have to

[Speaker 1] (1:49:07 - 1:49:09)
as I said, it's just a recommendation, by no means are we married

[Speaker 3] (1:49:11 - 1:49:11)
No, it's it's a good

[Speaker 1] (1:49:11 - 1:49:11)
to

[Speaker 4] (1:49:11 - 1:49:11)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:11 - 1:49:12)
have some

[Speaker 4] (1:49:12 - 1:49:12)
it it's a good

[Speaker 3] (1:49:12 - 1:49:12)
type

[Speaker 4] (1:49:12 - 1:49:12)
recommendation.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:12 - 1:49:13)
of placeholders for dates.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:14 - 1:49:15)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:15 - 1:49:21)
Ted, are there things that aren't as I mean in planning you have some really, you know, big heavy loads.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:21 - 1:49:23)
And you've got some real basic stuff.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:23 - 1:49:24)
Right, so I'm just wondering if we could

[Speaker 4] (1:49:24 - 1:49:28)
The basic stuff you'd yeah, you could do that with a week's notice. I mean you're,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:28 - 1:49:28)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:28 - 1:49:30)
you know, changing ten to twelve on a dimensional table. But

[Speaker 4] (1:49:30 - 1:49:32)
But um

[Speaker 4] (1:49:33 - 1:49:36)
But even still I mean state law requires us to have two public hearings before

[Speaker 3] (1:49:37 - 1:49:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:37 - 1:49:40)
town meeting can hear a zoning article.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:40 - 1:49:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:41 - 1:49:53)
Um so I think for the basic stuff it'd be fine, but f for some of the more elaborate stuff and what we've done for zoning has been historically the last several years has been a little bit more elaborate than just minor tweaks.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:53 - 1:49:54)
Right, right.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:54 - 1:49:56)
Um I would just get nervous.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:56 - 1:49:59)
The other thing that I would be cautious of is

[Speaker 4] (1:49:59 - 1:50:11)
people get um expectations. So I would hate to you know, for people to expect zoning in December but oh here's this big article and it's gonna be on the Maytown meeting, people just might have different scepticism

[Speaker 5] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11)
Like why

[Speaker 4] (1:50:11 - 1:50:12)
as

[Speaker 5] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
is

[Speaker 4] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
a result.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
it on May?

[Speaker 3] (1:50:12 - 1:50:12)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:12 - 1:50:13)
Why are they

[Speaker 4] (1:50:13 - 1:50:13)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:13 - 1:50:14)
trying to do?

[Speaker 4] (1:50:14 - 1:50:14)
And

[Speaker 5] (1:50:14 - 1:50:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:14 - 1:50:14)
totally r

[Speaker 5] (1:50:14 - 1:50:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:14 - 1:50:16)
r understandable.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:16 - 1:50:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:16 - 1:50:24)
Um so everything else on here looks great and I I appreciate and agree with that, I just think we need to from a zoning perspective maybe just

[Speaker 3] (1:50:24 - 1:50:24)
So maybe

[Speaker 4] (1:50:24 - 1:50:24)
think

[Speaker 3] (1:50:24 - 1:50:24)
rearrange

[Speaker 4] (1:50:24 - 1:50:25)
about it.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:25 - 1:50:25)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:50:25 - 1:50:25)
My

[Speaker 3] (1:50:25 - 1:50:25)
right,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:25 - 1:50:26)
is I gonna I talk to

[Speaker 6] (1:50:26 - 1:50:28)
do you have a suggestion as to what date it might be?

[Speaker 6] (1:50:29 - 1:50:29)
That might

[Speaker 4] (1:50:29 - 1:50:30)
I don't

[Speaker 6] (1:50:30 - 1:50:30)
work better.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:30 - 1:50:43)
know cause that time of year is the fall is tough for stuff like this. So I don't I don't know. I need to think through and probably we should all talk about it. Maybe I can talk with you and Joe, the acting chair of the planning board, we can figure something out. But

[Speaker 3] (1:50:43 - 1:50:48)
I I just don't wanna see December being more than one day. I mean like uh that's my worry is the timing.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:50 - 1:50:53)
What else would be on a December town meeting warrant?

[Speaker 3] (1:50:53 - 1:50:54)
God knows. I mean

[Speaker 6] (1:50:54 - 1:50:54)
this Well

[Speaker 7] (1:50:54 - 1:50:54)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:54 - 1:50:54)
We

[Speaker 6] (1:50:54 - 1:50:54)
there is

[Speaker 3] (1:50:54 - 1:50:55)
we pay bills.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:55 - 1:50:55)
Is it taxes

[Speaker 8] (1:50:55 - 1:50:56)
We pay we

[Speaker 6] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
is

[Speaker 8] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
we pay spelled bills.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:56 - 1:50:56)
taxes get set?

[Speaker 3] (1:50:56 - 1:50:58)
We pay bill we pay bills we

[Speaker 1] (1:50:58 - 1:51:01)
You all set the taxes, it's been the buy-down that's on

[Speaker 3] (1:51:01 - 1:51:02)
But

[Speaker 8] (1:51:02 - 1:51:03)
Yep. we set the But taxes.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:03 - 1:51:03)
we're spending

[Speaker 3] (1:51:03 - 1:51:03)
We set the

[Speaker 1] (1:51:03 - 1:51:03)
our

[Speaker 3] (1:51:03 - 1:51:03)
taxes

[Speaker 1] (1:51:03 - 1:51:04)
money.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:04 - 1:51:04)
here.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:05 - 1:51:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:06 - 1:51:06)
But like this

[Speaker 4] (1:51:07 - 1:51:07)
In

[Speaker 8] (1:51:07 - 1:51:07)
The...

[Speaker 4] (1:51:07 - 1:51:08)
theory, what do we get here in December?

[Speaker 8] (1:51:08 - 1:51:09)
You never It's know what

[Speaker 6] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
hot.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:09 - 1:51:10)
happens that time.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:10 - 1:51:12)
Well hopefully the sewer by-law

[Speaker 4] (1:51:12 - 1:51:13)
What?

[Speaker 3] (1:51:13 - 1:51:13)
could

[Speaker 6] (1:51:13 - 1:51:13)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:13 - 1:51:16)
the lateral, the sewer lateral by-law yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:16 - 1:51:18)
Hopefully we vetted that enough to...

[Speaker 3] (1:51:19 - 1:51:19)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:51:19 - 1:51:19)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (1:51:19 - 1:51:21)
So maybe the takeaway from this is maybe

[Speaker 4] (1:51:22 - 1:51:25)
Nick, you, Marcy, Krista, me and and Joe

[Speaker 6] (1:51:25 - 1:51:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:51:25 - 1:51:27)
can just kind of spitball and

[Speaker 6] (1:51:27 - 1:51:27)
absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:27 - 1:51:28)
game it out.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:28 - 1:51:29)
Hey, just as

[Speaker 4] (1:51:29 - 1:51:31)
Otherwise this looks great. Didn't mean to be Debbie Downer.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:31 - 1:51:31)
It's

[Speaker 3] (1:51:31 - 1:51:31)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (1:51:31 - 1:51:32)
not.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:32 - 1:51:32)
good job.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:32 - 1:51:34)
What is your, what is your, like...

[Speaker 6] (1:51:34 - 1:51:39)
projected desirable print date that you would want to go out to be

[Speaker 1] (1:51:39 - 1:51:41)
Uh we are looking at new printers,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:41 - 1:51:47)
because we've also we've always used one from Peabody and I want to get it out. So I don't have an answer for you right now without

[Speaker 1] (1:51:48 - 1:51:53)
going out for that. But the other thing with condensing it is not having an opportunity for

[Speaker 1] (1:51:54 - 1:51:57)
Committee members to sit down and speak to you all individually and

[Speaker 6] (1:51:57 - 1:51:57)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:58 - 1:51:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:58 - 1:52:02)
That's why I was just asking what what did you taking that in consideration what were you thinking?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:02 - 1:52:06)
I'm guessing it's gonna be two weeks before it mails to be honest to be comfortably getting it out the door.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:07 - 1:52:11)
Which should e I honestly I think it needs it should arrive in people's homes two weeks prior to town meeting.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
We

[Speaker 1] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:12 - 1:52:13)
Oh yeah. Which

[Speaker 8] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
Which

[Speaker 3] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
Arrive.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:13 - 1:52:14)
is set

[Speaker 1] (1:52:14 - 1:52:14)
It's

[Speaker 6] (1:52:14 - 1:52:14)
up what you're thinking.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:14 - 1:52:16)
we're getting there well in advance.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
Exactly.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:16 - 1:52:19)
You'll hear people saying I lost my warrant.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:20 - 1:52:23)
And it is not meant to replace it, but we will continue

[Speaker 3] (1:52:23 - 1:52:23)
Really?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:23 - 1:52:25)
to email out the PDF just for

[Speaker 8] (1:52:25 - 1:52:25)
Yeah, but

[Speaker 1] (1:52:25 - 1:52:25)
people

[Speaker 8] (1:52:25 - 1:52:26)
but what's

[Speaker 1] (1:52:26 - 1:52:26)
who

[Speaker 8] (1:52:26 - 1:52:26)
great

[Speaker 1] (1:52:26 - 1:52:26)
about don't

[Speaker 8] (1:52:26 - 1:52:26)
it is

[Speaker 1] (1:52:26 - 1:52:26)
senders.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:26 - 1:52:37)
like in the past for us we've had a warrant but like some few members of the public join us while we're discussing the warrant. And if they had their warrant to sort of take notes on and to understand,

[Speaker 8] (1:52:37 - 1:52:39)
they'd be able to bring it to town meeting like

[Speaker 8] (1:52:40 - 1:52:42)
I don't know maybe my husband's the only one who does that but.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:42 - 1:52:43)
Probably kidding.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:43 - 1:52:43)
Probably.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:44 - 1:52:54)
And then the next slide, very similar. It's setting up a spring schedule. This is less timely because it doesn't require folks knowing now that we'd like be

[Speaker 8] (1:52:54 - 1:52:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:54 - 1:53:09)
doing this stuff in September and October. But this is just sort of a preview for you all that, again, we're intending to pull it back a little bit so that you all are recommending things in advance of the election with time to deliberate and if there's something it needs to wait until

[Speaker 1] (1:53:10 - 1:53:24)
Town meeting, because it's you know being fine-tuned obviously that can happen again. But this is the idea, you know looking at communities that have things a little more under control going in a town meeting they kind of stretch it out this way. Um and so that the hope is and I mean that on the staff side uh

[Speaker 8] (1:53:25 - 1:53:26)
Thanks, Nick.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:26 - 1:53:26)
The

[Speaker 3] (1:53:26 - 1:53:26)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:26 - 1:53:26)
the

[Speaker 3] (1:53:26 - 1:53:26)
Nick, that's

[Speaker 1] (1:53:26 - 1:53:26)
hope is

[Speaker 3] (1:53:26 - 1:53:27)
like a

[Speaker 1] (1:53:27 - 1:53:27)
that we'll be able to do that.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:27 - 1:53:28)
cover, Nick.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:31 - 1:53:31)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:53:31 - 1:53:31)
They're in.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:31 - 1:53:33)
I I've a loaded question maybe.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:33 - 1:53:34)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:34 - 1:53:34)
Sometimes

[Speaker 3] (1:53:34 - 1:53:34)
here comes Debbie.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:34 - 1:53:40)
yeah. No, I'm just uh for reaction sake, some towns do their town meetings way earlier than ours.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:40 - 1:53:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:41 - 1:53:42)
Is there a

[Speaker 3] (1:53:42 - 1:53:42)
In

[Speaker 4] (1:53:42 - 1:53:42)
benefit

[Speaker 3] (1:53:42 - 1:53:42)
in May or?

[Speaker 4] (1:53:42 - 1:53:45)
to talking about it? Like in March I think

[Speaker 6] (1:53:45 - 1:53:45)
The

[Speaker 4] (1:53:45 - 1:53:45)
or some I other month

[Speaker 6] (1:53:45 - 1:53:46)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:53:46 - 1:53:46)
Uh.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:46 - 1:53:46)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:53:46 - 1:53:47)
does it in earlier?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:47 - 1:53:51)
think the big conflict, if I would call it that here,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:51 - 1:53:53)
is that the election happens right before town meeting, so

[Speaker 4] (1:53:53 - 1:53:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:53 - 1:53:57)
one group puts it together, another group is sitting up in the front

[Speaker 6] (1:53:57 - 1:53:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:57 - 1:53:58)
of the room.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:58 - 1:53:58)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:58 - 1:53:59)
That's frustration.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:59 - 1:53:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:59 - 1:53:59)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:54:00 - 1:54:00)
But

[Speaker 8] (1:54:00 - 1:54:00)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:00 - 1:54:04)
I think that would that's the type of question that would be part of a larger charter

[Speaker 6] (1:54:04 - 1:54:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:04 - 1:54:04)
review it wouldn't

[Speaker 8] (1:54:04 - 1:54:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:04 - 1:54:05)
be a one-off about

[Speaker 4] (1:54:05 - 1:54:05)
I was just

[Speaker 1] (1:54:05 - 1:54:06)
a meeting

[Speaker 4] (1:54:06 - 1:54:07)
something I've always

[Speaker 3] (1:54:07 - 1:54:07)
It's a good question.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:07 - 1:54:10)
Are we doing, are we, are, can we

[Speaker 1] (1:54:10 - 1:54:12)
Some have pushed it out too like I think

[Speaker 4] (1:54:12 - 1:54:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:12 - 1:54:14)
our threading is June 1st as

[Speaker 3] (1:54:14 - 1:54:14)
an Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:54:14 - 1:54:14)
example

[Speaker 4] (1:54:14 - 1:54:15)
Yeah, well. Chatham does theirs

[Speaker 8] (1:54:15 - 1:54:15)
We need

[Speaker 4] (1:54:15 - 1:54:15)
did

[Speaker 8] (1:54:15 - 1:54:16)
to their talk

[Speaker 4] (1:54:16 - 1:54:16)
last week,

[Speaker 8] (1:54:16 - 1:54:16)
about it,

[Speaker 4] (1:54:16 - 1:54:16)
so.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:16 - 1:54:18)
starting a charter review committee.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:18 - 1:54:19)
Yep, we need to put that in place.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:19 - 1:54:23)
Because we need to put that in place so if we could put that on the radar to do that.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:24 - 1:54:24)
Add that to the list.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:25 - 1:54:25)
Because we

[Speaker 6] (1:54:25 - 1:54:25)
Thanks

[Speaker 8] (1:54:25 - 1:54:26)
got to for get putting that

[Speaker 6] (1:54:26 - 1:54:26)
this

[Speaker 8] (1:54:26 - 1:54:26)
ball

[Speaker 6] (1:54:26 - 1:54:26)
on it.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:26 - 1:54:27)
rolling.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:28 - 1:54:30)
Think there's some suggestions. We had originally

[Speaker 6] (1:54:30 - 1:54:31)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:31 - 1:54:35)
reached out to all boards and committees and asked for them to

[Speaker 3] (1:54:35 - 1:54:36)
Their changes.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:36 - 1:54:41)
any changes that they wanted to make, we asked for them to convey to us. I don't know where that is, but

[Speaker 1] (1:54:41 - 1:54:43)
Do you have an idea of when that was done?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:43 - 1:54:44)
David has it.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:44 - 1:54:45)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:54:46 - 1:54:46)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (1:54:46 - 1:54:47)
I don't he he he

[Speaker 1] (1:54:47 - 1:54:47)
I don't was think I

[Speaker 3] (1:54:47 - 1:54:47)
chair

[Speaker 1] (1:54:47 - 1:54:47)
ever saw

[Speaker 3] (1:54:47 - 1:54:48)
at the time.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:48 - 1:54:48)
it, but I was I

[Speaker 6] (1:54:48 - 1:54:49)
I do beg

[Speaker 1] (1:54:49 - 1:54:49)
took care

[Speaker 6] (1:54:49 - 1:54:49)
to so

[Speaker 1] (1:54:49 - 1:54:50)
of it. It there was, I

[Speaker 8] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
So was

[Speaker 1] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
think.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
too

[Speaker 3] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:50 - 1:54:52)
too plus years ago then

[Speaker 3] (1:54:52 - 1:54:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:52 - 1:54:52)
again, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:52 - 1:54:53)
Wait one.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:53 - 1:54:53)
At least.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:53 - 1:54:53)
Two and

[Speaker 1] (1:54:53 - 1:54:54)
I I just want

[Speaker 8] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
hadn't

[Speaker 1] (1:54:54 - 1:54:55)
to make sure we're looking in the right general area.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:55 - 1:54:57)
Yeah, I mean we could ask it again too

[Speaker 1] (1:54:57 - 1:54:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:57 - 1:55:01)
um but we had sort of reached out and said you know

[Speaker 3] (1:55:01 - 1:55:05)
There's a timeline. Every committee had to send in their recommendations for charter change.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:05 - 1:55:11)
And then the whole idea was just to make a charter change instead of having a committee. I I think we should have a committee.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:11 - 1:55:13)
Have a committee that can make recommendations for charter change.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:13 - 1:55:16)
I think so too, but it's great to have some ideas to start with. So,

[Speaker 6] (1:55:16 - 1:55:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:16 - 1:55:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:16 - 1:55:20)
then everyone feels like they got a seat at the table, even though the committee's only however big.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:21 - 1:55:22)
So,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:22 - 1:55:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:22 - 1:55:23)
alright.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:24 - 1:55:24)
Excellent.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:24 - 1:55:24)
Thanks.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:25 - 1:55:26)
Thank you, Nick.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:26 - 1:55:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:26 - 1:55:28)
Thank you, Nick. Good job.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:28 - 1:55:31)
We'll move on to uh discussion on the Hawthorne.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:33 - 1:55:39)
So again, I just wanted to give a a brief update, and obviously we had the proponents in tonight

[Speaker 1] (1:55:39 - 1:55:44)
Um just to point back to town meeting um in December,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:45 - 1:56:09)
The discussion there was that it was a dual track, get someone in uh so that there was a partner to the town in there uh covering things like um heat and electric and all that that goes with it, that we were maintaining in order to protect the building uh and to try to drive income over the short term, which we identified at the time as approximately thirty months to go to June of twenty twenty eight. Um as you can see tonight, the licenses are in process,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:09 - 1:56:11)
we have assigned short term lease.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:11 - 1:56:25)
at least they're working inside uh to prepare the building. So we wanted to just start the discussion tonight around the long-term uh solution or the long-term R_F_P_ which was the second part of that dual track, as you all described at the town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:25 - 1:56:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:25 - 1:56:27)
Um as I sort of wrote here,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:27 - 1:56:40)
the goal would be that we get a draft that you all have looked at, noodled over, provided at it's this summer, so that we are really entering into a process that is, you know, gives plenty of time for folks that might be interested that you all

[Speaker 1] (1:56:39 - 1:57:09)
that you all have plenty of time to thoughtfully discuss these decision points, the guardrails, how we want to score it. Uh so that whatever we are asking for is reflective of what you all would like to see and anyone who's responding knows sort of the rules of the game and understands you know what we value as a community before they respond. And so tonight I wanted to highlight that we have you know wanna wanna start that process. When I talk about the decision points um or the RFP itself,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:09 - 1:57:29)
Really, seventy percent of it is done. It's the community profile, it's the idea like this is the the size of the property, this is what's on the property now. Those things are just informational the the what remains is the really important part and I think Brian spoke to a little bit earlier tonight. And it's the things that you all need to weigh in on those policy decisions around

[Speaker 1] (1:57:29 - 1:57:55)
What we're asking for if we want to put any guardrails that go beyond the current zoning, which I have a couple slides about that, um and then not to decide tonight but for you all to think about what are the things that are important for you from a scoring perspective so that in that R_F_P_ it is very clear to someone we're open to any idea, say, but, you know, you're you're highlighting your values by saying you know this is something that will be scored a certain way, this is something that will be scored a another way.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:55 - 1:57:55)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:55 - 1:58:10)
Um and that would be around you know how much space there is for parking, how much space there is for green space somewhere. Whatever the case may be, those are decisions that I just wanted to introduce to you all uh to consider a little bit. This is a conversation I think we need to continue. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:58:11 - 1:58:28)
But we'll continue to r refine that shell of the R_F_P_ that has all the things about the community and about the physical space um and then I think we can figure out how to best facilitate a discussion between you all to give the staff the direction uh to put together uh that la that last piece and that piece that's most important, really.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:29 - 1:58:37)
Um so I did wanna just give a quick update on the um the property itself right now, and this is the land uses that are allowed by right.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:37 - 1:58:40)
Right, and that's the Hawthorne Street overlay district. Did I say that right?

[Speaker 4] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:40 - 1:58:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:41 - 1:58:41)
Uh,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:41 - 1:58:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:41 - 1:58:42)
no, Elm Street Overlay

[Speaker 1] (1:58:42 - 1:58:42)
Humphrey,

[Speaker 4] (1:58:42 - 1:58:42)
District.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:42 - 1:58:42)
sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:42 - 1:58:43)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:43 - 1:59:04)
I got Hawthorne on the mind. Um so these are subject to the the design review obviously, but they're allowed. So it's retail, food and beverage of certain size, uh and then I wanna highlight because Christa uh thankfully highlighted it for me and put it in a different colour here, uh the office and professional uses specifically are things that uh are restricted away

[Speaker 1] (1:59:22 - 1:59:50)
Um and then also here, these are the land uses allowed with design review and planning board approval. Um again, we're not making any decisions, not asking you to make any decisions tonight, but I just wanted to highlight that if we were to go out and say anything that's allowed by right, these are the types of things um that are going that would be responsive that people might get back to us and say I want to put uh you know retail I want to put multi-family housing I want up to ten residential units just because that is sort of the simplest way for them to move forward with the by right.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:49 - 1:59:50)
you're right.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:51 - 2:00:11)
You know, obviously planning board approval approvals, but not having to go before the ZBA. So for me, these were things that I wanted to highlight for you all, but I I think what is most important is thinking about you know, the ideas and things that you all want to see at that site so that we can reflect the values that you all are bringing to the table and the scoring.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:12 - 2:00:37)
and I think that's what that's what's most important. If we're gonna leave it sort of wide open to you know we wanna derive some revenue or we want it to be completely green space or whatever those things are, we need to really demonstrate that in the way that we draft that scoring rubric, because you know that is how someone will will look at the R_F_P_ and say this makes sense to me because I wanna put a restaurant and I want to have housing above it and I can see that that's something I can go before the planning board for.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:38 - 2:01:05)
Um so this is just meant to be an an opening to that discussion and certainly a signal and a reminder to the community that we have this in mind because we talked about it in December and it was not set aside. We were really focused on doing everything we can to get our respondents to the R_F_P_ up and running. Um and we've worked closely with them as well. I just wanna highlight that we've had a couple of meetings where we got building inspector, health, uh fire department, um police and Max over there 'cause Max was taking care of the building.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:06 - 2:01:11)
so that we can answer a bunch of questions all at once and try to make it as easy as possible for them to move forward as our tenant.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:12 - 2:01:14)
So we are sort of making every effort,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:14 - 2:01:28)
but I want both you all and the community to know this is this is the next step in what we plan to do going forward. So I don't know if there's any questions here or if there's things that you would like me to be researching and reviewing that I can circulate for folks. That was the other thing that I kind of had in mind here.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:30 - 2:01:32)
I was just thinking from a timing perspective,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:32 - 2:01:41)
like walking backwards from the 36 months that we had available to us to lease the property,

[Speaker 2] (2:01:41 - 2:01:55)
going backwards from there from like obviously we want sort of a seamless transition maybe between a short term use and a long term use. So if you walk back from that date to say like okay although we don't have things in hand but like maybe

[Speaker 2] (2:01:56 - 2:02:19)
You know, there's a due diligence period and then we can sort of maybe look to Hadley as a little bit of a marker to see going backwards like when do we really have to have this RFP out by so that we can then have respondents so that we could even have time to rubric them so that we can pick a choose a path forward and then will we sort of make our mark so I don't want

[Speaker 2] (2:02:20 - 2:02:22)
To, like, have to truncate anything in the middle,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:22 - 2:02:25)
let's work from the back and go forward and see, like, do

[Speaker 1] (2:02:25 - 2:02:26)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:02:26 - 2:02:26)
So we need

[Speaker 2] (2:02:26 - 2:02:26)
we have

[Speaker 3] (2:02:26 - 2:02:26)
to use like

[Speaker 2] (2:02:26 - 2:02:27)
to, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:02:27 - 2:02:27)
a template

[Speaker 3] (2:02:28 - 2:02:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:28 - 2:02:30)
like, so do we have to have this decision made by the end of July?

[Speaker 2] (2:02:30 - 2:02:32)
Do we have to the end of September?

[Speaker 2] (2:02:32 - 2:02:36)
Like, when, if we wanted to keep the timeline of a smooth transition between tenants and we were thinking,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:36 - 2:02:40)
you know, like, approximately X due diligence period,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:40 - 2:02:42)
how long could we discuss this?

[Speaker 1] (2:02:42 - 2:02:46)
I need to look at the due diligence period that we gave Hadley. I

[Speaker 2] (2:02:46 - 2:02:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:46 - 2:02:47)
don't know that that's off my head.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:47 - 2:02:47)
hand.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:47 - 2:02:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:47 - 2:02:53)
Um if you if you're familiar, th I I actually read it yesterday and I'm trying to

[Speaker 2] (2:02:53 - 2:02:54)
I actually,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:54 - 2:02:56)
this oh it was like is it eighteen

[Speaker 4] (2:02:56 - 2:02:56)
It was thirty.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:56 - 2:02:57)
months?

[Speaker 5] (2:02:57 - 2:02:57)
Yeah, it was a while

[Speaker 1] (2:02:57 - 2:02:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:02:57 - 2:02:57)
ago.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:57 - 2:02:58)
that's what I thought, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:58 - 2:03:07)
Yeah. You know, like Marcy, i i your crew, everybody did a great job with the R_F_P_ process. I thought between that and also with Pine Street.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:07 - 2:03:14)
So y you guys really know what you're doing. But I think having a a template in front of us

[Speaker 6] (2:03:15 - 2:03:15)
But

[Speaker 7] (2:03:15 - 2:03:16)
I think

[Speaker 6] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
this is

[Speaker 7] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
it's

[Speaker 6] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
mainly

[Speaker 7] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
outlining.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:16 - 2:03:19)
to the people of the town too, right, we owe them a timeline.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:19 - 2:03:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:20 - 2:03:37)
We said we were going to do this, we said we were going to put it out um and get it moving, and we really, you know, up until seeing this here, we really haven't produced anything. So I think it's on us to really have an established timeline and roll that out so the people can, you know, understand where

[Speaker 2] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
Well

[Speaker 6] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
we're

[Speaker 2] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
going.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
accountable.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:38 - 2:03:39)
And I I'm gonna

[Speaker 6] (2:03:39 - 2:03:39)
absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:39 - 2:03:42)
pump the tires of the the last board.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:41 - 2:03:56)
You know, when you guys did the Hadley project and Marcy's office, the way that was done was really well done and I, you know, someone who's been in some level of development before, the fact that we got the respondent level we did for those hotel properties, both Delamar and the other folks who responded is frankly

[Speaker 2] (2:03:56 - 2:03:56)
Or

[Speaker 1] (2:03:56 - 2:03:58)
jaw-dropping to me that we got

[Speaker 2] (2:03:58 - 2:03:58)
Seven

[Speaker 1] (2:03:58 - 2:03:58)
that.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:58 - 2:04:00)
or eight respond?

[Speaker 6] (2:04:00 - 2:04:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:00 - 2:04:00)
Between

[Speaker 2] (2:04:00 - 2:04:00)
Responded.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:00 - 2:04:01)
the Drew companies,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:01 - 2:04:03)
Noannet, you know, Lark with the local developing

[Speaker 2] (2:04:03 - 2:04:03)
Rise.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:03 - 2:04:05)
team, Rise, it

[Speaker 4] (2:04:05 - 2:04:07)
We have to remember we also had a we had

[Speaker 2] (2:04:07 - 2:04:07)
We

[Speaker 4] (2:04:07 - 2:04:07)
a

[Speaker 2] (2:04:07 - 2:04:08)
had a consultant.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:08 - 2:04:09)
consulting company. We had Pinnacle.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:09 - 2:04:09)
local?

[Speaker 1] (2:04:09 - 2:04:09)
Me

[Speaker 6] (2:04:09 - 2:04:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:10 - 2:04:10)
too, why

[Speaker 4] (2:04:10 - 2:04:10)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:10 - 2:04:11)
I'm bringing that up.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:11 - 2:04:12)
That's where you're going.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:12 - 2:04:27)
There was a lot of value in that based on the high quality of respondents. We chose a great respondent, but a lot of the others we chose would have been fantastic as well. I would hope that we can have that same level of responding quality, and know that a lot of that is on us and the decision making we give on the RFP.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:27 - 2:04:32)
But a lot of that is unpublicizing the RFP and getting awareness to respond to it.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:33 - 2:04:39)
So is there, has this board or has there been a conversation at the staff level of mechanisms to do that?

[Speaker 1] (2:04:39 - 2:04:45)
Is there consulting companies that can help with that? I don't have an answer, I don't have an inclination on that.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:45 - 2:04:50)
But I know Pinnacle was great at blasting out to their network and that helped lead to the great response and quality we got.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:50 - 2:04:52)
But also Pinnacle was strictly,

[Speaker 4] (2:04:52 - 2:04:54)
their expertise is in hotel development.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:54 - 2:04:55)
Development

[Speaker 1] (2:04:55 - 2:04:55)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:55 - 2:04:56)
and hospitality.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:56 - 2:04:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:56 - 2:04:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:56 - 2:05:20)
So I think that as Nick has mentioned, if you provide us with guidance maybe in regards to like what's the what's the use or maybe narrow down the preferred use for the site and and then we can really try to work either with you know developers or experts because I mean there are hospitality groups you know you have um you know from restaurants to hotels to entertainment venues and then also we can

[Speaker 4] (2:05:20 - 2:05:32)
and check with, you know, developments. I know that, you know, is housing, would housing be on the table, off the table? Sort of like where do we stand on that? So I think that we'd love to hear from you in regards to

[Speaker 6] (2:05:32 - 2:05:32)
We should probably

[Speaker 4] (2:05:32 - 2:05:32)
what is

[Speaker 6] (2:05:32 - 2:05:33)
talk about

[Speaker 4] (2:05:33 - 2:05:33)
it that,

[Speaker 6] (2:05:33 - 2:05:33)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:33 - 2:05:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:33 - 2:05:34)
you

[Speaker 6] (2:05:34 - 2:05:34)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:34 - 2:05:35)
know, is the the preference.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:35 - 2:05:43)
Right so this is the beginning of that conversation. So this is not I don't I didn't expect people to come prepared with like a list of all the things they wanted to talk about for this.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:43 - 2:05:44)
Today we can,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:44 - 2:05:55)
but what I thought would be important is that we're putting it on our radar to have this conversation on the 17th, that we should really come forward with like what are your expectations for their RFPs are,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:55 - 2:05:56)
if they're parameters,

[Speaker 2] (2:05:56 - 2:05:58)
what they look like, how they flesh out.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:58 - 2:06:01)
Like if you want to go back to the Hawthorne Reeves committee report,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:01 - 2:06:06)
I think there were 12 instances where it sort of felt like there needed to be some public decision,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:06 - 2:06:09)
policy decision made and we're the policy making board,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:09 - 2:06:10)
so we need to talk about.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:10 - 2:06:11)
talk about that we need to flesh some of those things out.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:12 - 2:06:38)
So I think we should at least have this on the agenda for every subsequent meeting that we have after this, right, with the seventeenth being the placeholder that that is when we set the pillars of what exactly this board wants or what they want to be included in the RFP. But, you know, we can't stop the conversation. We can't just philosophically say let's get this going and then, you know, push it off, right. So I think we have to be really cognizant of having it on every.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:38 - 2:06:43)
every single meeting as we, you know, to make sure we're hitting our timeline and getting this out,

[Speaker 8] (2:06:43 - 2:06:44)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:06:44 - 2:06:44)
how

[Speaker 8] (2:06:44 - 2:06:44)
so

[Speaker 4] (2:06:44 - 2:06:44)
we

[Speaker 8] (2:06:44 - 2:06:51)
what is what is the framework to build this with planning, our our you know, Marcy's department and planning come to us with

[Speaker 8] (2:06:52 - 2:06:56)
uh a framework up a rubric and ask us to start filling that in or do we

[Speaker 1] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
think

[Speaker 6] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
think

[Speaker 1] (2:06:56 - 2:06:56)
that's organically

[Speaker 6] (2:06:56 - 2:06:57)
it starts with the

[Speaker 1] (2:06:57 - 2:06:57)
come

[Speaker 6] (2:06:57 - 2:06:57)
pillars.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:57 - 2:06:57)
from it.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:57 - 2:07:02)
I think it starts with the pillars of what we're looking to see if there's a ceiling,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:02 - 2:07:08)
if there's not a ceiling, if we're gonna if we're saying, you know, R_F_I_ or w you know, are we saying R_F_P_ with specific pillars of

[Speaker 8] (2:07:08 - 2:07:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:08 - 2:07:16)
what we want to see, what we don't want to see categorically, no way, like you know, all park or you know, all residential or whatever.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:16 - 2:07:17)
That's a guardrails

[Speaker 6] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17)
What are the guardrails,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:17 - 2:07:18)
the guardrails

[Speaker 6] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:18 - 2:07:19)
I don't think And that's step

[Speaker 2] (2:07:19 - 2:07:19)
I think,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:19 - 2:07:19)
one.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:19 - 2:07:20)
Wayne,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:20 - 2:07:33)
you could use the report that was presented by the Hawthorne Reviews Committee and they do delineate a lot of where we they think we need to make those decisions. So even if we just started with like that parts of the conversation,

[Speaker 2] (2:07:33 - 2:07:37)
we could start working down to be like, OK, are we all in agreement with, you know, X?

[Speaker 2] (2:07:38 - 2:07:41)
Whatever, parking must be present. Something that simple,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:41 - 2:07:41)
And I think

[Speaker 2] (2:07:41 - 2:07:41)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:07:41 - 2:07:54)
we have to use that report, because that committee did, you know, almost year years worth of work on what exactly we asked them to do. So they certainly have solicited some feedback,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:54 - 2:07:57)
I think at this point, from people in the town,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:57 - 2:08:00)
so that's gonna, you know, that will come into play, I think, in

[Speaker 2] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
the very

[Speaker 2] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
beginning.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:00 - 2:08:00)
agree.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:01 - 2:08:01)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:08:01 - 2:08:01)
If

[Speaker 2] (2:08:01 - 2:08:01)
agree.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:01 - 2:08:05)
there's also a philosophical conversation about doing this that we have to consider is

[Speaker 9] (2:08:06 - 2:08:10)
how open-ended and how strict we need to be.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:10 - 2:08:10)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:10 - 2:08:18)
And you know we can set the guardrails of this is what all the proposals need to be about and they got to be within this case and this land-use case and you

[Speaker 6] (2:08:18 - 2:08:18)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:18 - 2:08:20)
know blah blah blah blah blah.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:20 - 2:08:28)
Alternatively there's another mindset we can look at is we are open-ended but here's where we are scoring things most heavily based on some recommendations and

[Speaker 2] (2:08:28 - 2:08:28)
Totally

[Speaker 9] (2:08:28 - 2:08:28)
scoring things

[Speaker 2] (2:08:28 - 2:08:28)
agree.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:28 - 2:08:28)
Mm

[Speaker 9] (2:08:28 - 2:08:29)
least heavily.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:29 - 2:08:29)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:29 - 2:08:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:29 - 2:08:29)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:08:29 - 2:08:30)
Totally agree.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:30 - 2:08:31)
there's two different

[Speaker 4] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
Mm

[Speaker 9] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
philosophies

[Speaker 4] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:31 - 2:08:33)
I guess we could approach this with.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:33 - 2:08:40)
Either we're saying we don't want you to even reply with if you're not in this parameters or everybody can reply but like if

[Speaker 6] (2:08:40 - 2:08:40)
We're not in your the market

[Speaker 2] (2:08:40 - 2:08:40)
100

[Speaker 6] (2:08:40 - 2:08:41)
as a scoring.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:41 - 2:08:42)
units of residential

[Speaker 6] (2:08:42 - 2:08:42)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:42 - 2:08:42)
like we're

[Speaker 9] (2:08:42 - 2:08:43)
You're gonna

[Speaker 2] (2:08:43 - 2:08:43)
gonna

[Speaker 9] (2:08:43 - 2:08:44)
get a zero or negative

[Speaker 2] (2:08:44 - 2:08:46)
yeah you're gonna getting a negative scoring in this section.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:47 - 2:08:59)
So we can definitely discuss that what is more preferred and maybe town can have some feedback on like is there a preferred model for that I mean if we really want to see the

[Speaker 1] (2:09:07 - 2:09:18)
then that leaves the onus on us to say hey fifty million dollar investor you can't come here because we don't want residential. So we have to make that determination now before we get the answer.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
Agreed.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:18 - 2:09:20)
So I don't want the answer to skew

[Speaker 2] (2:09:20 - 2:09:21)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:21 - 2:09:33)
But I think that's impa that's a kind of important part of the conversation, right? So to the people in this town that want to have a park and you have a proposal that potentially comes through with fifteen, twenty million dollars worth of revenue coming in,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:33 - 2:09:37)
right they need to see that this is what we'd have to say no to

[Speaker 1] (2:09:37 - 2:09:38)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:38 - 2:09:42)
right and they have to understand you know be able to understand what how that impacts right

[Speaker 4] (2:09:42 - 2:09:50)
Sure. Do we have an obligation to respect the by right part of the overlay district or because we own the property,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:51 - 2:09:58)
we have different latitudes? In other words, that by right, so the question is if you were a private.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:58 - 2:09:59)
owner,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:00 - 2:10:03)
you would be subject to the by right.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:03 - 2:10:04)
I think you're talking about spot zoning,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:04 - 2:10:05)
Wayne.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:05 - 2:10:05)
Hmm?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:05 - 2:10:07)
I think you're talking about spot zoning.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:07 - 2:10:07)
No,

[Speaker 5] (2:10:07 - 2:10:08)
I think you're

[Speaker 4] (2:10:08 - 2:10:08)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:08 - 2:10:08)
referring

[Speaker 4] (2:10:08 - 2:10:08)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:08 - 2:10:10)
to it since it's a town-owned plot,

[Speaker 5] (2:10:10 - 2:10:10)
are we exempt from zoning?

[Speaker 4] (2:10:11 - 2:10:12)
Are we exempt?

[Speaker 5] (2:10:12 - 2:10:14)
Which the answer is no,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:14 - 2:10:14)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:14 - 2:10:17)
because it's not an educational or municipal use.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:18 - 2:10:21)
So then if you, if so then if you, if the zoning,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:21 - 2:10:23)
the overlay that's allowed in the zoning,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:23 - 2:10:27)
if you then restrict it further based on the RFP.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:29 - 2:10:31)
That that would not be valid right because

[Speaker 5] (2:10:31 - 2:10:31)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:10:31 - 2:10:31)
the zoning

[Speaker 5] (2:10:31 - 2:10:31)
we could,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:31 - 2:10:31)
by right,

[Speaker 5] (2:10:31 - 2:10:33)
we're still the property owners. We can restrict whoever gets the

[Speaker 4] (2:10:33 - 2:10:34)
That

[Speaker 1] (2:10:34 - 2:10:34)
RFP. Okay

[Speaker 4] (2:10:34 - 2:10:36)
was my, that was what I was getting at.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:36 - 2:10:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:36 - 2:10:36)
okay

[Speaker 5] (2:10:36 - 2:10:45)
But I would also encourage this is the loosest zoning we have in Swampscott. The Humphrey Street Overlay District is a godsend because it lets us recruit.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:45 - 2:11:11)
any within lat within guard rails a lot of different types of businesses we give them a lot of leeway as long as they contribute to the overall walkability of Humphrey Street so I as important as zoning is and I'm a huge advocate for it obviously I wouldn't get too caught up and worrying about zoning for the use of this property until we get further down the further down the line because there's a lot of latitude in here that gives the planning board to waive a lot of different things

[Speaker 3] (2:11:11 - 2:11:12)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:13 - 2:11:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:14 - 2:11:22)
Let me give an example and you can give me the feedback. So if I, if we agree to say we don't want X,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:22 - 2:11:24)
whatever it is that is on their by right.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:25 - 2:11:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:26 - 2:11:30)
Do we have an obligation to be able to have to include that in the RFP, or can we just leave that out

[Speaker 5] (2:11:30 - 2:11:30)
We're

[Speaker 4] (2:11:30 - 2:11:30)
of the RFP?

[Speaker 5] (2:11:30 - 2:11:31)
the landowners, we can do

[Speaker 4] (2:11:31 - 2:11:31)
That

[Speaker 5] (2:11:31 - 2:11:31)
that.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:31 - 2:11:32)
is my that

[Speaker 5] (2:11:32 - 2:11:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:32 - 2:11:34)
that uh that sums up my question. For

[Speaker 6] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
That's

[Speaker 4] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
you to

[Speaker 6] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
where the answer scoring

[Speaker 4] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
it.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:34 - 2:11:35)
rubric would come in

[Speaker 1] (2:11:35 - 2:11:35)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:35 - 2:11:38)
for you to say we don't want a bed and breakfast hotel room.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:39 - 2:11:39)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:39 - 2:11:41)
Or it will be negatively scored rather if

[Speaker 1] (2:11:41 - 2:11:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:41 - 2:11:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:42 - 2:11:43)
If we take that

[Speaker 6] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
If

[Speaker 5] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
part out.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
that's

[Speaker 4] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:11:43 - 2:11:43)
the response.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:43 - 2:11:44)
Even though you have

[Speaker 4] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
if

[Speaker 3] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:44 - 2:11:46)
by right zoning, we're going to negatively score you.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:46 - 2:11:46)
Right. But

[Speaker 5] (2:11:46 - 2:11:47)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:11:47 - 2:11:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:47 - 2:11:47)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:11:47 - 2:11:47)
the those landowners.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:47 - 2:11:52)
are I think for the next meeting those are the things that we need to come to the table with all of us.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:52 - 2:11:52)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:52 - 2:11:53)
Right. So your

[Speaker 1] (2:11:53 - 2:11:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:53 - 2:11:53)
top

[Speaker 1] (2:11:53 - 2:11:53)
I think there's

[Speaker 3] (2:11:53 - 2:11:53)
three

[Speaker 1] (2:11:53 - 2:11:53)
some homework.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:53 - 2:11:54)
or whatever,

[Speaker 3] (2:11:54 - 2:11:58)
you know, your th top three pillars of what you want to see here.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:58 - 2:12:05)
And we can put together the schedule that highlights working backwards if it's possible to do without truncating it and if

[Speaker 1] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:05 - 2:12:06)
it's not.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:06 - 2:12:11)
To just lay it over the calendar, what it would look like when we would be done uh otherwise.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:11 - 2:12:16)
I think the due diligence period on the Hadley was only ninety days, but then they are in a financial due diligence

[Speaker 3] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:16 - 2:12:18)
period of a hun of eighteen months.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:18 - 2:12:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:19 - 2:12:24)
Um so just to com just to say that. And that's not to say we won't be in that similar situation in Hawthorne, but um

[Speaker 6] (2:12:25 - 2:12:27)
But we can overlay it on like

[Speaker 1] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
the real calendar right

[Speaker 1] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:27 - 2:12:31)
now and say that if we don't change anything it gets us to

[Speaker 1] (2:12:31 - 2:12:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:31 - 2:12:33)
this date. You know.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:33 - 2:12:35)
The the other important thing that I know I'm at least gonna be

[Speaker 5] (2:12:35 - 2:12:46)
is gonna be focusing on before the next meeting and I think it would be helpful for all of us just in my mind to advance a conversation is that ideological conversation of do we want to approach it on a rubric scoring basis

[Speaker 1] (2:12:46 - 2:12:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:46 - 2:12:50)
or do we wanna put strict guardrails on and then the rubric comes later.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:50 - 2:12:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:51 - 2:12:52)
Just to throw that out there for

[Speaker 1] (2:12:52 - 2:12:56)
Yeah, I think that's the first decision to be honest because that dictates every other point of

[Speaker 5] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
Agreed.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
the conversation.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:56 - 2:12:57)
Yeah, that's perfect.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
So I

[Speaker 6] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
agree agree with with you with to

[Speaker 6] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
your your question.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:58 - 2:12:59)
say like

[Speaker 5] (2:12:59 - 2:13:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
That

[Speaker 4] (2:13:01 - 2:13:02)
I have to think about that.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:03 - 2:13:03)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:03 - 2:13:04)
piece.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:06 - 2:13:07)
Brian is

[Speaker 1] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
raising his hand.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:07 - 2:13:09)
I see that, but we're not in a public

[Speaker 3] (2:13:09 - 2:13:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:09 - 2:13:10)
we comments

[Speaker 4] (2:13:10 - 2:13:10)
Do you have a preference?

[Speaker 1] (2:13:10 - 2:13:11)
are made at public.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:11 - 2:13:13)
I have a preference and I'm happy to share it on the seventeen.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:14 - 2:13:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:16 - 2:13:18)
I will say here, um to

[Speaker 1] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
Antony.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:18 - 2:13:20)
it might be helpful to start this conversation now

[Speaker 3] (2:13:20 - 2:13:20)
Well

[Speaker 5] (2:13:20 - 2:13:20)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:13:20 - 2:13:20)
because

[Speaker 5] (2:13:20 - 2:13:21)
happy to.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:21 - 2:13:21)
okay, go ahead.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:21 - 2:13:22)
Go ahead, Ted.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:22 - 2:13:26)
I think the rubric approach is phenomenal and I'll point to the hawthorn.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:26 - 2:13:27)
I'm sorry, the

[Speaker 1] (2:13:27 - 2:13:27)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:13:27 - 2:13:28)
Hadley

[Speaker 1] (2:13:28 - 2:13:28)
we had range.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:28 - 2:13:39)
process, the Nawaanic group I think, submitted a proposal that met everything the R_F_U_ required and they also said and if you're interested we put a lot of thought in something else was totally outside of the box for your reaction,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:39 - 2:13:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:40 - 2:13:45)
and I think there were mixed reactions to it, not necessarily in a negative way, just oh we weren't expecting that. But it was I

[Speaker 1] (2:13:45 - 2:13:46)
Thought box.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:46 - 2:13:48)
thought there was a lot of value in it and I know how I reacted to it.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:50 - 2:13:52)
I did it it gave us something to react

[Speaker 3] (2:13:52 - 2:13:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:52 - 2:14:00)
to it gave us a a thought process to look at and I would hate for us to shut the door on something that we could not even have imagined or dreamt of

[Speaker 1] (2:14:00 - 2:14:01)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:01 - 2:14:11)
but we have a rubric here that we can stick to so we're not being unfair to any group in town that has a a particular interest so that's at least my

[Speaker 4] (2:14:11 - 2:14:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:12 - 2:14:15)
I think the only worry would be is to make sure that that rubric wouldn't hurt.

[Speaker 7] (2:14:17 - 2:14:25)
You know, wouldn't wouldn't hurt anybody who's coming in with a, you know, a whole different mindset on what could be done there.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:26 - 2:14:33)
Yeah, I think at the end of the day for what I think is going to be valuable for all of us is for us to be able to say this is the rubric that we came to,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:34 - 2:14:38)
and no matter what the decision is, whether it's park, parking,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:38 - 2:14:38)
combination,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:38 - 2:14:40)
mixed use, whatever it is.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:41 - 2:14:46)
Where there's consensus among the board that like this is our gold standard. This is our North Star. We all agree with it. We're fully bought into the rubric and

[Speaker 5] (2:14:48 - 2:14:50)
That's our Bible and I think that's

[Speaker 5] (2:14:51 - 2:14:56)
Again, it has to be what we can point to so that whatever the decision comes whenever it comes it's defensible,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:56 - 2:14:57)
right?

[Speaker 5] (2:14:57 - 2:15:02)
We can all walk out heads held high we did the right thing because we all agreed on the rubric and we can be subjective, but we were all

[Speaker 5] (2:15:03 - 2:15:04)
Working off the same sheet of music

[Speaker 1] (2:15:06 - 2:15:12)
I mean the only thing I think of is like the counter argument is you can make data say whatever you want.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:13 - 2:15:13)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:15:13 - 2:15:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:13 - 2:15:20)
even if you have the most foundational rubric, right, that is the North Star and we all agree on, the...

[Speaker 1] (2:15:21 - 2:15:23)
It's somewhat subjective how you fill in the rubric, right?

[Speaker 7] (2:15:23 - 2:15:24)
Of course.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:24 - 2:15:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:24 - 2:15:36)
So like if we say like okay well it's preferred that we don't go over twenty thousand square feet of residential and we don't and we only approve up to ten units and if you go above that we will negatively dock you.

[Speaker 7] (2:15:36 - 2:15:36)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:36 - 2:15:40)
Well how much are we negatively docking you? Are we negative if we are we all negatively docking you the same?

[Speaker 6] (2:15:40 - 2:15:40)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:40 - 2:15:46)
It's preferred that you take down the building and open that space up and but

[Speaker 1] (2:15:47 - 2:15:51)
You know if we decide okay, we're going to negatively dock those who want to keep the building Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:51 - 2:15:54)
how much a point or a hundred points or maybe that's not as you know what I

[Speaker 5] (2:15:54 - 2:15:55)
mean like I hear you. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:55 - 2:16:04)
So so we have to be thoughtful in that way because in the end we could end up just having this delaying the conversation rather than having it in advance

[Speaker 5] (2:16:04 - 2:16:07)
Yeah, I think that I hear you and I agree with that.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:08 - 2:16:12)
I think we'll just have to figure out a way to incorporate that sort of one to five in a rubric versus

[Speaker 1] (2:16:12 - 2:16:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:12 - 2:16:13)
negative one to five.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:13 - 2:16:18)
And if I'm rating a project a negative 25 and Danielle's ranking it a plus 25,

[Speaker 7] (2:16:18 - 2:16:19)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:19 - 2:16:20)
you're gonna know we're both kind

[Speaker 1] (2:16:20 - 2:16:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:20 - 2:16:21)
of we've got a you know our

[Speaker 3] (2:16:21 - 2:16:22)
Yep. Philosophical difference

[Speaker 5] (2:16:22 - 2:16:23)
philosophical

[Speaker 3] (2:16:23 - 2:16:23)
there.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:23 - 2:16:23)
differences and

[Speaker 1] (2:16:23 - 2:16:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:23 - 2:16:24)
that's fine.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:24 - 2:16:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:25 - 2:16:26)
Um but I just

[Speaker 5] (2:16:27 - 2:16:33)
I'd like to have a framework that we can all work from and feel confident in. And again if it's all transparent, you see I'm a Okay. twenty five and Daniel's a negative ten, we just

[Speaker 1] (2:16:33 - 2:16:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:33 - 2:16:34)
have different philosophies on it.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:34 - 2:16:34)
Totally.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:34 - 2:16:50)
And we should consider whether or not, although we are the policy making board here, if there are any other like we had um town uh staff participating in the rubric for Hadley um so like whether or not we consider any other stakeholders in that

[Speaker 4] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:50 - 2:16:51)
in that rubric at all.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:51 - 2:16:52)
Agreed.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:53 - 2:16:57)
So, I know like Marcy ranked them, Gina ranked them at the time.

[Speaker 7] (2:16:58 - 2:16:58)
The Hadley?

[Speaker 9] (2:16:58 - 2:16:58)
Max.

[Speaker 7] (2:16:58 - 2:17:00)
Gino was involved in ranking the Hadley?

[Speaker 1] (2:17:00 - 2:17:02)
Wasn't a Gino or was it Sean?

[Speaker 1] (2:17:02 - 2:17:03)
Sean, sorry, it was Sean.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:03 - 2:17:04)
Oh, but it was, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:04 - 2:17:05)
You're right, Marie on.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:05 - 2:17:05)
Sean, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:05 - 2:17:06)
Max,

[Speaker 7] (2:17:06 - 2:17:06)
She came.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:06 - 2:17:06)
uh

[Speaker 1] (2:17:06 - 2:17:06)
p

[Speaker 4] (2:17:07 - 2:17:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:08 - 2:17:09)
Oh, P. Kane, that's right.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:09 - 2:17:09)
P.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:09 - 2:17:17)
And P_ yep. So, we just had, you know, active town staff ranking it also. So that like helped to sort of

[Speaker 5] (2:17:17 - 2:17:18)
Inform our decision,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:18 - 2:17:18)
y Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:18 - 2:17:18)
right? Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:18 - 2:17:22)
yeah, absolutely. We had, you know, open discussion about it and then

[Speaker 1] (2:17:22 - 2:17:25)
We all ranked it individually and then we averaged them, so.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:25 - 2:17:30)
But I would think if we all kind of get a rubric that we're all kind of comfortable with, right, or a framework.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:31 - 2:17:33)
we're gonna see some marginal similarities

[Speaker 3] (2:17:33 - 2:17:34)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:17:34 - 2:17:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:34 - 2:17:34)
for

[Speaker 3] (2:17:34 - 2:17:34)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:34 - 2:17:35)
the most for part,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:35 - 2:17:35)
sure.

[Speaker 5] (2:17:35 - 2:17:46)
in our responses we're gonna be different, but they're gonna be, you know, I would be shocked if, you know, I'm Wayne and I are on one side and then ninety you know everybody else is on the other, I'd be shocked if that happens for every respondent.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:46 - 2:17:47)
Yeah, I think there would probably just be

[Speaker 5] (2:17:48 - 2:17:48)
That would be clustered

[Speaker 1] (2:17:48 - 2:17:50)
a handful of a handful of things that

[Speaker 5] (2:17:50 - 2:17:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:51 - 2:17:54)
Yeah, and in the question is do you weight each each criteria the same?

[Speaker 3] (2:17:54 - 2:17:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:55 - 2:17:57)
You know, it's a multiplication factor.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:57 - 2:17:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:57 - 2:17:57)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:57 - 2:17:58)
You have to come up with that.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:58 - 2:17:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:58 - 2:18:04)
Is there any particular conversation about the,

[Speaker 4] (2:18:04 - 2:18:09)
I'm trying to think how to think about this carefully and say this carefully.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:10 - 2:18:14)
If there's any conversation that we have to have prepared,

[Speaker 4] (2:18:15 - 2:18:20)
should there be some agreement in the future with adjacent land?

[Speaker 1] (2:18:22 - 2:18:24)
Well, I think the...

[Speaker 1] (2:18:26 - 2:18:29)
We've, you can say openly in public session because we have,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:29 - 2:18:33)
that there has been a conversation about the purchase of the St. John's parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:34 - 2:18:35)
So that's fine,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:35 - 2:18:36)
we can talk about that publicly.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:37 - 2:18:41)
We should not talk about where those negotiations are at this point,

[Speaker 4] (2:18:41 - 2:18:42)
Not but intending to,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:42 - 2:18:42)
but

[Speaker 4] (2:18:42 - 2:18:42)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:42 - 2:18:49)
we could figure out a way or be thoughtful about,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:49 - 2:18:50)
you know.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:52 - 2:18:54)
I don't think that necessarily will come into.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:57 - 2:18:57)
Agreed.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:57 - 2:18:58)
pillars,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:58 - 2:18:58)
Agreed.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:58 - 2:18:58)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:18:58 - 2:18:58)
but yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:58 - 2:18:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:58 - 2:18:59)
Totally

[Speaker 1] (2:18:59 - 2:18:59)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:18:59 - 2:18:59)
agree

[Speaker 2] (2:18:59 - 2:18:59)
would definitely

[Speaker 3] (2:18:59 - 2:18:59)
with you.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:59 - 2:18:59)
be,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:59 - 2:19:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:00 - 2:19:01)
But we could even figure out a way

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
by that

[Speaker 1] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
in

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:02)
point,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
the R_F_P_

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
maybe we have some better idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:02 - 2:19:17)
uh p to say like if the adjacent land was um pursued how would the how would your development change or something like that, an additional so you would almost be doing like two answers to the R_F_P_ one for the lot as is and one for the lot

[Speaker 4] (2:19:17 - 2:19:18)
Just like Joanna did for the whole.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:18 - 2:19:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:18 - 2:19:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:19:18 - 2:19:19)
Uh, for

[Speaker 1] (2:19:19 - 2:19:19)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:19 - 2:19:19)
the motel.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:19 - 2:19:20)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:20 - 2:19:20)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:19:20 - 2:19:20)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:20 - 2:19:20)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:20 - 2:19:22)
I mean, and then

[Speaker 4] (2:19:22 - 2:19:23)
I just want to bring that up kind of

[Speaker 2] (2:19:23 - 2:19:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:19:23 - 2:19:24)
at the beginning.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:24 - 2:19:24)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:19:24 - 2:19:24)
At the beginning? Oh, that's fair.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:24 - 2:19:25)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:25 - 2:19:32)
Yeah. And we g if we kept that door open so that the RFP still allowed for that conversation, then that might help inform next

[Speaker 2] (2:19:32 - 2:19:33)
I mean you'd have to

[Speaker 1] (2:19:33 - 2:19:33)
year.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:33 - 2:19:33)
That's a good decision,

[Speaker 4] (2:19:34 - 2:19:34)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:19:36 - 2:19:59)
I think um we really have to f figure this one out only because if there's a possibility of of locking in that space, that changes the entire footprint and the ability of what can happen. So if I'm somebody answering an R_F_P_ you know, and I I've listened to the meetings, I've read the reports from the Hawthorne committee, I know that open space is

[Speaker 5] (2:19:59 - 2:20:17)
really important um in that in that mix. So if you do have that property then you've checked that box and you've checked at least part of that box, and then what would I what else am I going to offer there as an R_F_P_ so I just think that we have to really think about how to tie it all in.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:18 - 2:20:20)
In order to get the best RF page.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:20 - 2:20:23)
So we talk we talk about RFP versus RFI there

[Speaker 2] (2:20:23 - 2:20:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:24 - 2:20:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:24 - 2:20:35)
are distinct differences between the two one may or may not get a lot of attention like the the RFI may potentially get less attention than an actual RFP

[Speaker 5] (2:20:35 - 2:20:36)
Historically they do.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:36 - 2:20:37)
I brought that up.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:37 - 2:20:40)
right if we're looking at a

[Speaker 4] (2:20:42 - 2:20:50)
I'm just spitballing this. But we're looking at this from a forty thousand foot view, which we kind of are, 'cause we're trying to kind of put mould the clay here,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:51 - 2:20:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:51 - 2:20:57)
based upon instructions that we've received you know um from a lot of study in the past,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:58 - 2:20:59)
is

[Speaker 4] (2:21:03 - 2:21:03)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:21:03 - 2:21:05)
No, I actually lost my own train of thought, Jesus.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:06 - 2:21:07)
Or I think he said R_F_I_

[Speaker 4] (2:21:07 - 2:21:21)
Uh, I'll yeah, R_F_I_ versus R_F_P_ does an R_F_I_ actually get us an and a place that that kind of scopes that that rough mould before we get into the R_F_P_ I don't I don't know the answer. I'm I'm it's an honest just throwing

[Speaker 1] (2:21:21 - 2:21:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:21 - 2:21:21)
the question into

[Speaker 1] (2:21:21 - 2:21:22)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
the atmosphere.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:22 - 2:21:23)
I sort of feel like

[Speaker 2] (2:21:25 - 2:21:26)
I sort of feel like we don't

[Speaker 1] (2:21:26 - 2:21:26)
We've

[Speaker 2] (2:21:26 - 2:21:26)
have time.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:26 - 2:21:29)
already done the R_F_I_ por process, like P Brian's

[Speaker 7] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
That

[Speaker 1] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
group

[Speaker 7] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:29 - 2:21:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:29 - 2:21:30)
has spent the last year doing

[Speaker 4] (2:21:30 - 2:21:30)
This

[Speaker 1] (2:21:30 - 2:21:34)
the R_F_I_ process, and although we haven't gone out to like the vast unknown and asked for feedback,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:35 - 2:21:41)
we did go out to community members and asked for feedback, and the whole idea was that that was a community purchased property,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:41 - 2:21:42)
so that feedback is

[Speaker 1] (2:21:43 - 2:21:57)
ultimate to the decisions that we should be making here. So to me it's like, okay, I agree that we should go out to RFP and let's see what the market prevails, but based on the pillars that the information that Brian and his team came up with in order to determine,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:57 - 2:22:00)
you know, what we thought the community wanted to see in that parcel.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:00 - 2:22:04)
So I just see from, and shipping here if I'm wrong,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:05 - 2:22:05)
but the definition,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:06 - 2:22:11)
well not the definition, the intent of an RFI, we got information from the community in terms of wants and needs.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:12 - 2:22:27)
But the information coming back from professional developers would be what I'm looking for from an RFI, which would be just kind of a high-level scope of, hey, what possibly we could be doing here. But I know that there's a hesitancy by developers to do that

[Speaker 1] (2:22:27 - 2:22:27)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:27 - 2:22:28)
because then

[Speaker 1] (2:22:28 - 2:22:29)
because they show their cards.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:29 - 2:22:31)
they're showing their cards to what everyone else could potentially do.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:31 - 2:22:32)
So I appreciate that.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:33 - 2:22:34)
But I just

[Speaker 1] (2:22:34 - 2:22:34)
I think, yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:34 - 2:22:35)
wanted, you know, where are we

[Speaker 1] (2:22:35 - 2:22:35)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:22:35 - 2:22:36)
on that?

[Speaker 1] (2:22:36 - 2:22:39)
don't, I agree that it's a thoughtful conversation.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:39 - 2:22:43)
I just don't, I think seeing as how long this conversation has been on the table,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:43 - 2:22:43)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:43 - 2:22:47)
seeing as how long we've been talking about this publicly, very publicly,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:47 - 2:22:48)
We need action.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:48 - 2:22:53)
I feel like at this point, if developers are sort of in the loop about it,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:53 - 2:22:53)
they've heard about it.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:54 - 2:22:56)
We've been talking to, you know, some of our partners who have.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:58 - 2:23:01)
It answered RFPs at Hawthorne, answered RFP at Hadley.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:01 - 2:23:01)
Mm hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:01 - 2:23:02)
We've been talking to a lot of folks here.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:03 - 2:23:06)
So I think it's just time to pull the trigger

[Speaker 2] (2:23:06 - 2:23:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:06 - 2:23:07)
at this point.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08)
But, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:08 - 2:23:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:08 - 2:23:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:23:10 - 2:23:11)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:11 - 2:23:12)
I couldn't see the screen.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:12 - 2:23:12)
No, that's fine.

[Speaker 9] (2:23:13 - 2:23:20)
I just want to circle back to something I mentioned before and I think Marcy answered this, but do you think there is once we get a little further down in this,

[Speaker 9] (2:23:20 - 2:23:26)
again, I know Pinnacle did the consulting specifically for a hotel because they're a hotel and lodging consulting firm.

[Speaker 9] (2:23:27 - 2:23:35)
But their ability to broadcast that to their network and get the quality of respondents that we got was very impressive. So when we get to a certain point

[Speaker 9] (2:23:35 - 2:23:52)
It may be helpful, when we've got this rubric laid out, to have the conversation of is there an investment that we are comfortable or should make or even can make in some one who can help market this to the right level of respondents where we get as many high qualified respondents as we can rather

[Speaker 2] (2:23:52 - 2:23:52)
Well, we

[Speaker 9] (2:23:52 - 2:23:52)
than just

[Speaker 2] (2:23:52 - 2:23:52)
could put

[Speaker 9] (2:23:52 - 2:23:55)
put it out to to the mass gov RFP websites.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:55 - 2:23:57)
Have you already considered that?

[Speaker 4] (2:23:57 - 2:24:04)
We've talked to one group that approached us because they know someone in town, and I basically said we're at a point now that we're not ready to engage.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:04 - 2:24:05)
to engage in something like that.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:05 - 2:24:05)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:05 - 2:24:23)
Their general pitch was the idea that they would not look at it as just a highest and best use. So it's like what is the most money you can get? It's very similar to the type of work that we're saying we'll take on to come up with a rubric and think about the way to do it and their ultimate goal is obviously that's that's

[Speaker 2] (2:24:23 - 2:24:24)
How much would that

[Speaker 4] (2:24:24 - 2:24:24)
worth it.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:24 - 2:24:25)
potentially cost us

[Speaker 4] (2:24:25 - 2:24:26)
There's

[Speaker 2] (2:24:26 - 2:24:26)
to generate

[Speaker 4] (2:24:26 - 2:24:26)
not

[Speaker 2] (2:24:26 - 2:24:26)
that?

[Speaker 4] (2:24:26 - 2:24:27)
a number yet.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:27 - 2:24:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:28 - 2:24:30)
What is it, six figures like

[Speaker 10] (2:24:30 - 2:24:30)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:24:30 - 2:24:30)
out five of them.

[Speaker 10] (2:24:30 - 2:24:32)
it's low five.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:32 - 2:24:33)
Okay. That's

[Speaker 2] (2:24:33 - 2:24:38)
Do we have fig do we have somewhere we can even look to consider to pay for something like that at this point?

[Speaker 10] (2:24:38 - 2:24:41)
I wouldn't want to answer that

[Speaker 1] (2:24:41 - 2:24:42)
We

[Speaker 10] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
For

[Speaker 1] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
did

[Speaker 4] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
a

[Speaker 1] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
already

[Speaker 10] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
sure,

[Speaker 4] (2:24:42 - 2:24:42)
different

[Speaker 10] (2:24:42 - 2:24:43)
but there's

[Speaker 4] (2:24:43 - 2:24:43)
proposal.

[Speaker 10] (2:24:43 - 2:24:44)
– we can figure something.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:45 - 2:24:47)
We did already hire a consultant here

[Speaker 2] (2:24:47 - 2:24:47)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:47 - 2:24:48)
and it wasn't

[Speaker 2] (2:24:48 - 2:24:49)
Spent a lot of money.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:49 - 2:24:51)
it wasn't well met by the public. We'll just say

[Speaker 2] (2:24:51 - 2:24:51)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:51 - 2:24:51)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:51 - 2:24:53)
So I know I just want

[Speaker 9] (2:24:53 - 2:24:53)
It was

[Speaker 1] (2:24:53 - 2:24:53)
that

[Speaker 9] (2:24:53 - 2:24:53)
also doesn't done in secret.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:53 - 2:24:56)
mean yes, we don't that doesn't mean we don't want to do it now.

[Speaker 9] (2:24:56 - 2:24:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:56 - 2:25:00)
Um but I'm just saying like we

[Speaker 1] (2:25:01 - 2:25:07)
I would like to have some board-based conversations first so that we can direct the consultant rather than the consultant directing us.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:07 - 2:25:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:25:07 - 2:25:10)
A hundred percent. My only desire was to have them market the RFP

[Speaker 1] (2:25:10 - 2:25:11)
Yes,

[Speaker 9] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11)
to get the responding I quality

[Speaker 1] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11)
think, yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:25:11 - 2:25:13)
that we want. Nothing beyond

[Speaker 10] (2:25:13 - 2:25:13)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:25:13 - 2:25:14)
that per se.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:14 - 2:25:14)
So a

[Speaker 10] (2:25:14 - 2:25:14)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:25:14 - 2:25:14)
right

[Speaker 10] (2:25:14 - 2:25:14)
that's

[Speaker 2] (2:25:14 - 2:25:14)
a limited

[Speaker 10] (2:25:14 - 2:25:16)
a different discussion than what I had with them.

[Speaker 9] (2:25:17 - 2:25:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:25:17 - 2:25:21)
And so if we were looking for someone to help us connect with developers in whatever form,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:21 - 2:25:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:25:21 - 2:25:24)
whether it's parkland mixed use or whatever,

[Speaker 10] (2:25:24 - 2:25:28)
then obviously we can engage multiple firms to say,

[Speaker 9] (2:25:28 - 2:25:28)
Different conversations.

[Speaker 10] (2:25:28 - 2:25:29)
what can you do for us.

[Speaker 10] (2:25:29 - 2:25:34)
do for us to try to make sure we're getting in front of the right groups because we think this is a really unique opportunity.

[Speaker 10] (2:25:35 - 2:25:39)
Um so happy to have that on sort of the parking lot for this, no pun intended,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:39 - 2:25:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:25:39 - 2:25:39)
Ah.

[Speaker 10] (2:25:39 - 2:25:41)
uh for something that, you know,

[Speaker 10] (2:25:41 - 2:25:45)
schedule and calendar for you all next time while you all spend a little time thinking about it in advance,

[Speaker 10] (2:25:46 - 2:25:47)
and we certainly keep that

[Speaker 9] (2:25:47 - 2:25:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:25:48 - 2:25:48)
on the back burner.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:48 - 2:25:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:51 - 2:25:55)
So some of the things we need to be prepared to talk about. Do we want that building to remain?

[Speaker 4] (2:25:55 - 2:25:55)
Oh.

[Speaker 11] (2:25:55 - 2:25:56)
Do we what?

[Speaker 2] (2:25:56 - 2:25:58)
Do you want the building to stay?

[Speaker 2] (2:25:58 - 2:26:09)
Do you want it, is that a consideration? Is that gonna be one of our pillars? Right, so these are things like that, like how much residential, if residential, these are things we should be prepared to think about for the next meeting, I think.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:10 - 2:26:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:11 - 2:26:12)
It's my two cents, I don't

[Speaker 1] (2:26:12 - 2:26:13)
Yeah, I think that's right.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:14 - 2:26:26)
I think things that we really need to have a base on is how we feel about having residential versus non-residential, how we feel about open spaced, you know, percentages on open space.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:27 - 2:26:27)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:26:27 - 2:26:27)
Parking.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:27 - 2:26:35)
parking and the time line of what it takes to turn the property around. I think that's very very important.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:35 - 2:26:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:36 - 2:26:37)
Yep, so

[Speaker 5] (2:26:38 - 2:26:39)
I'm not

[Speaker 4] (2:26:39 - 2:26:40)
And retained ownership.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:40 - 2:26:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:41 - 2:26:51)
Yeah, I think the other thing we have to talk about is the length of if the length of timing on a long term lease, you know, thirty years, fifty years, ninety nine years.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:51 - 2:26:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:58 - 2:26:59)
that's the time right because right

[Speaker 9] (2:26:59 - 2:27:01)
And also potential residential use.

[Speaker 9] (2:27:01 - 2:27:06)
I mean, those are all kind of you put those all in a blender and that helps you get your ROI you need on a significant investment.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:27:06 - 2:27:07)
So just

[Speaker 1] (2:27:07 - 2:27:08)
yeah yeah talked

[Speaker 9] (2:27:08 - 2:27:11)
helps inform our philosophy and rubric building or whatnot.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:11 - 2:27:18)
a lot about that like when we when Hallmark came forward and had conversations right like

[Speaker 1] (2:27:18 - 2:27:23)
no we didn't plan for residential but in the scheme of things how do you get a

[Speaker 2] (2:27:23 - 2:27:23)
In

[Speaker 1] (2:27:23 - 2:27:23)
developer

[Speaker 2] (2:27:23 - 2:27:23)
reality.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:23 - 2:27:25)
to bid without it.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:25 - 2:27:25)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:25 - 2:27:43)
So then what is that sweet spot that you're comfortable going to or how do you want to frame the rubric to say like we acknowledge all the preferences at residential we acknowledge it's necessary for the financing so we just don't want to see it go out of hand what does that look like how does how do we want to make that pitch.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:44 - 2:27:45)
So

[Speaker 9] (2:27:45 - 2:27:46)
Right, all potentially.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:46 - 2:27:47)
Yeah, all potentially, yes,

[Speaker 2] (2:27:47 - 2:27:48)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:50 - 2:27:54)
Okay, so let's move on then to discussion, unless anybody else, we're good.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:55 - 2:27:55)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:55 - 2:27:57)
The discussion and possible vote on the

[Speaker 4] (2:27:57 - 2:28:00)
Let me just go back to prepare for that meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:00 - 2:28:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:01 - 2:28:06)
I feel like we should be working off the same data set, so if there's anything

[Speaker 4] (2:28:07 - 2:28:14)
that we feel that we want to have in front of us that we can study whether or not that is obviously the Hawthorne report, but there was also um

[Speaker 5] (2:28:14 - 2:28:15)
Baker Tilly.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:16 - 2:28:16)
What?

[Speaker 12] (2:28:16 - 2:28:16)
The Baker Tilly.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:16 - 2:28:19)
The Baker Tilly, the fifty thousand dollar report that

[Speaker 9] (2:28:19 - 2:28:20)
Is that the library?

[Speaker 2] (2:28:20 - 2:28:21)
No.

[Speaker 12] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:21 - 2:28:23)
No, that's the library is another

[Speaker 2] (2:28:23 - 2:28:23)
That this

[Speaker 5] (2:28:23 - 2:28:24)
one. That's over a hundred,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:24 - 2:28:24)
I've got

[Speaker 5] (2:28:24 - 2:28:24)
that's

[Speaker 4] (2:28:24 - 2:28:24)
grab that

[Speaker 5] (2:28:24 - 2:28:25)
that's

[Speaker 4] (2:28:25 - 2:28:25)
for scale.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:25 - 2:28:25)
six figures.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:26 - 2:28:36)
I was uh I was I was more referring to the public input that has been collated and delineated over a long period of time. Is that

[Speaker 9] (2:28:36 - 2:28:36)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:28:36 - 2:28:39)
You talking about the Ha Hawthorne Reeves committee report?

[Speaker 4] (2:28:39 - 2:28:39)
Before

[Speaker 2] (2:28:39 - 2:28:39)
You do use

[Speaker 4] (2:28:39 - 2:28:40)
the Hawthorne

[Speaker 9] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40)
Remember they

[Speaker 4] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40)
Reeves

[Speaker 9] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40)
had

[Speaker 4] (2:28:40 - 2:28:40)
committee

[Speaker 9] (2:28:40 - 2:28:41)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:28:41 - 2:28:41)
there's

[Speaker 9] (2:28:41 - 2:28:41)
Before it's

[Speaker 2] (2:28:41 - 2:28:41)
already

[Speaker 9] (2:28:41 - 2:28:41)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:28:41 - 2:28:41)
a

[Speaker 2] (2:28:41 - 2:28:41)
had

[Speaker 4] (2:28:41 - 2:28:42)
popover meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:42 - 2:28:43)
Oh, the po Sure,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:43 - 2:28:44)
Yeah, there were yeah. several meetings.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:44 - 2:28:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:28:45 - 2:28:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:45 - 2:28:47)
So if there's community feedback and Well, that's been

[Speaker 1] (2:28:47 - 2:28:47)
didn't

[Speaker 4] (2:28:47 - 2:28:48)
tallied.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49)
Victor Kelly put together

[Speaker 2] (2:28:50 - 2:28:52)
who do we have consulting for us at the time?

[Speaker 3] (2:28:52 - 2:28:52)
We did,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:52 - 2:28:53)
Baker Tilly

[Speaker 2] (2:28:53 - 2:28:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:53 - 2:28:58)
was as a request that Doug had requested because he wanted to see more economic development data, data.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:58 - 2:29:02)
Well, that was on that was the Baker Tilly was focused on the

[Speaker 3] (2:29:02 - 2:29:02)
The

[Speaker 4] (2:29:02 - 2:29:02)
on

[Speaker 3] (2:29:02 - 2:29:02)
economic district,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:02 - 2:29:03)
the district,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:03 - 2:29:03)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:29:03 - 2:29:03)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:03 - 2:29:04)
the whole district.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:04 - 2:29:05)
district like what

[Speaker 1] (2:29:05 - 2:29:05)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:06 - 2:29:06)
So that's

[Speaker 3] (2:29:06 - 2:29:06)
something That's

[Speaker 2] (2:29:06 - 2:29:07)
we should

[Speaker 3] (2:29:07 - 2:29:07)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:29:07 - 2:29:09)
get to you guys so you can see.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:10 - 2:29:12)
There's the Hawthorne Reeves Committee report,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:12 - 2:29:19)
and then there should be some feedback from the consultant that was hired to facilitate the dots.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:19 - 2:29:20)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:20 - 2:29:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:20 - 2:29:20)
that's what

[Speaker 4] (2:29:20 - 2:29:20)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:20 - 2:29:21)
I want to see.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:21 - 2:29:21)
I want to

[Speaker 2] (2:29:21 - 2:29:22)
Who was that?

[Speaker 4] (2:29:22 - 2:29:22)
see, Who was that?

[Speaker 1] (2:29:23 - 2:29:23)
Brian might know.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:23 - 2:29:24)
Cushing,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:24 - 2:29:25)
Cushing.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:25 - 2:29:26)
It was.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:27 - 2:29:29)
Oh my gosh, why couldn't I think

[Speaker 2] (2:29:29 - 2:29:29)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:29:29 - 2:29:29)
of that?

[Speaker 2] (2:29:29 - 2:29:30)
we know what we're talking

[Speaker 1] (2:29:30 - 2:29:30)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:29:30 - 2:29:30)
about.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:30 - 2:29:30)
can find

[Speaker 3] (2:29:30 - 2:29:30)
You it. can exactly

[Speaker 2] (2:29:30 - 2:29:32)
provide us that report,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:32 - 2:29:32)
that would be

[Speaker 1] (2:29:32 - 2:29:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:32 - 2:29:32)
great.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:32 - 2:29:34)
there's some sort of consolidated man, you know,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:34 - 2:29:34)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:34 - 2:29:35)
thing that we can go

[Speaker 4] (2:29:35 - 2:29:35)
That

[Speaker 1] (2:29:35 - 2:29:36)
to, so

[Speaker 4] (2:29:36 - 2:29:36)
makes

[Speaker 1] (2:29:36 - 2:29:36)
when

[Speaker 4] (2:29:36 - 2:29:36)
sense

[Speaker 1] (2:29:36 - 2:29:38)
we're in discussion we can point back to,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:38 - 2:29:38)
meaning.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:38 - 2:29:38)
you

[Speaker 4] (2:29:38 - 2:29:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:38 - 2:29:39)
report, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:39 - 2:29:40)
know, resident feedback and

[Speaker 2] (2:29:40 - 2:29:44)
So I think between those three sort of things we can be working from the same data set.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:44 - 2:29:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:44 - 2:29:44)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:46 - 2:29:46)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:46 - 2:29:48)
All right, moving on to trash talk.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:49 - 2:29:50)
Guys, I think we are making

[Speaker 4] (2:29:50 - 2:29:50)
Wait,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:50 - 2:29:51)
good time.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:51 - 2:29:53)
I just have one quick question on the just because it should

[Speaker 2] (2:29:53 - 2:29:54)
I just said

[Speaker 4] (2:29:54 - 2:29:54)
be

[Speaker 2] (2:29:54 - 2:29:54)
we their were making

[Speaker 4] (2:29:54 - 2:29:54)
neighbor.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:54 - 2:29:55)
good time.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:56 - 2:29:58)
Listen, nobody wants to get out of here quicker than me.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:58 - 2:30:01)
But the the uh

[Speaker 5] (2:30:01 - 2:30:02)
We all like hanging out.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:02 - 2:30:07)
the Hadley on the ha on the Hadley there when are they coming? When is the date that they're coming?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:07 - 2:30:07)
Next.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:07 - 2:30:08)
We were talking about the seventeenth

[Speaker 2] (2:30:08 - 2:30:08)
Seventeenth.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:08 - 2:30:08)
now.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:08 - 2:30:09)
Seventeen, Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:09 - 2:30:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:09 - 2:30:09)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:10 - 2:30:10)
Correct.

[Speaker 5] (2:30:10 - 2:30:13)
And Dixon would be here to go through the design uh drawings that they provided.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:13 - 2:30:16)
But does he also have to do that, are we also having another public meeting?

[Speaker 4] (2:30:17 - 2:30:20)
Outside of the select board meeting, I don't know why I thought there

[Speaker 5] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
was

[Speaker 5] (2:30:20 - 2:30:22)
think that was on the timeline was they were going to have public.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:22 - 2:30:23)
Barsing?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:23 - 2:30:27)
They had to have two public meetings before their last, before submitting the plans, which

[Speaker 3] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:27 - 2:30:27)
they did.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:27 - 2:30:28)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:28 - 2:30:30)
I don't think they had to have another public meeting.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:30 - 2:30:39)
The only thing that that that the board had requested is to talk about the the parking lot and to really engage the neighbors surrounding the um Yes. the the rear of the properties.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:40 - 2:30:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:40 - 2:30:44)
And that's something else that we'll talk to Dixon tomorrow to try to schedule that properly.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:44 - 2:30:45)
While they're here.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:45 - 2:30:46)
That's correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
Yes, that

[Speaker 4] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
Do

[Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
we've

[Speaker 4] (2:30:46 - 2:30:49)
the neighbors so d do you have to know do we have to notify the neighbors?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:49 - 2:30:49)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:49 - 2:30:56)
we're going to confirm with Dixon that he's available to c and then it will be communicated that he will be available to take feedback from abutters.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:56 - 2:30:57)
while he's here.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:57 - 2:30:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:58 - 2:31:02)
And he he we mentioned this on the last call we had that you know he has dealt with this in other

[Speaker 4] (2:31:03 - 2:31:03)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:03 - 2:31:19)
neighborhood hotels that they've built and they have facilitated uh not public meetings in the sense that everybody can come, but sort of a butter meetings like that to make sure that the concerns are heard and they you know are in communication they're being good neighbours. So but Dixon committed to do that.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:19 - 2:31:22)
But we can also get a either a fire or a

[Speaker 5] (2:31:22 - 2:31:24)
Uh postcard out

[Speaker 4] (2:31:24 - 2:31:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:24 - 2:31:27)
to the other auditors to make sure, even though it's not a public hearing, that they know they

[Speaker 2] (2:31:27 - 2:31:28)
Yeah, that will

[Speaker 5] (2:31:28 - 2:31:28)
they find

[Speaker 2] (2:31:28 - 2:31:28)
be people

[Speaker 5] (2:31:28 - 2:31:28)
out another

[Speaker 2] (2:31:28 - 2:31:29)
informing

[Speaker 5] (2:31:29 - 2:31:29)
way about

[Speaker 2] (2:31:29 - 2:31:29)
them

[Speaker 5] (2:31:29 - 2:31:29)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:29 - 2:31:30)
in some way.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:30 - 2:31:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:30 - 2:31:35)
But they will in the next few months. I think their LDA says they have to have all permitting by February, twenty twenty seven,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:35 - 2:31:35)
Hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:35 - 2:31:36)
which is not far away. So

[Speaker 1] (2:31:36 - 2:31:36)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:36 - 2:31:40)
they'll have to go for site plan, I would imagine they'll have to file by mid

[Speaker 6] (2:31:41 - 2:31:43)
October at the latest in

[Speaker 3] (2:31:43 - 2:31:43)
I think

[Speaker 6] (2:31:43 - 2:31:43)
order to

[Speaker 3] (2:31:43 - 2:31:44)
a little bit sooner, but yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:44 - 2:31:50)
Yeah probably sooner, that would be tight. Um in order to make that deadline which is a public hearing so we'll be notified.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:50 - 2:31:50)
A public

[Speaker 5] (2:31:50 - 2:31:54)
Great, I'm hearing. just saying this is like a belt and suspenders to make sure for this that no one can say they didn't know it was coming.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:55 - 2:31:55)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:55 - 2:31:56)
Even though it's not legally required for

[Speaker 3] (2:31:56 - 2:31:56)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:56 - 2:31:57)
a normal

[Speaker 1] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
selection

[Speaker 2] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
great.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
of people.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:57 - 2:31:58)
let's do that.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:58 - 2:31:58)
best practice.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:58 - 2:31:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:01 - 2:32:02)
Okay, back to trash and

[Speaker 5] (2:32:02 - 2:32:02)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:32:02 - 2:32:02)
keeping on time.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:02 - 2:32:04)
I beg What did you say?

[Speaker 2] (2:32:04 - 2:32:05)
And keeping on time.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:05 - 2:32:08)
Okay, I thought you were telling me to keep it short, which I will, but

[Speaker 2] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
I was.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:08 - 2:32:27)
Um, great. So I have a brief trash contract update. Before I get into these, I wanna talk about or just highlight on the 8th we have uh Solid Waste Advisory Committee meeting that I will be presenting greater detail. And then on the fifteenth I believe here, I was looking up to see Joe, but we're working on having a meeting here.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:26 - 2:32:33)
here that will be broadcast and really more of a Q&A. There'll be the very similar presentation to what I give it.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:34 - 2:32:36)
Solid Waste Advisory will have Gino here.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:36 - 2:32:43)
Hopefully members of Solid Waste Advisory Committee sort of sitting up front with us, answering questions, talking about implementation.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:43 - 2:32:44)
So that's

[Speaker 2] (2:32:44 - 2:32:45)
You said that's the 15th.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:45 - 2:32:47)
right, so it's the next two Mondays there'll be meetings.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:48 - 2:32:49)
They'll both be hybrid.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:49 - 2:32:52)
We would love to have anyone come to either one of them as well obviously.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:54 - 2:33:07)
Very likely there'll be another one towards the end of the month that is again just sort of a Q&A. This is where we are, this is what's going on. Uh folks are welcome to come ask questions and anything else they would like. The updates uh in addition to that we anticipate tomorrow

[Speaker 5] (2:33:08 - 2:33:30)
The afternoon, I would say right now, just because I I haven't turned it on for the morning yet. We will have a updated web page and we'll put a banner that will be persistent across the top of the website and the sort of newsflash, so a few different ways to get there, that are frequently asked questions that we anticipate related to the implementation of this and the upcoming changes around the carts and other things that I'll update here.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:31 - 2:33:34)
That Q and A will grow as we have the SWAC meeting and any other

[Speaker 5] (2:33:34 - 2:33:39)
or if we if we're hearing similar questions we'll make sure that it's just posted there as another place to get

[Speaker 5] (2:33:39 - 2:33:42)
Questions and answers regardless of whether or not you can get me on the phone.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:42 - 2:33:46)
I'm looking at Wayne just because he's been very involved with SWAC prior to being elected,

[Speaker 5] (2:33:46 - 2:33:52)
but it's a it'll be a play centralized place for information that will become sort of the hub for the implementation and going forward.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:53 - 2:33:59)
So just want to highlight that as I said I anticipate tomorrow afternoon because I have not yet set it up to turn it on it's a draft page right now.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:00 - 2:34:05)
So the four things I have listed here I just wanted to update. The first one is about service levels.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:06 - 2:34:08)
Uh, and for me that means, you know,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:08 - 2:34:23)
we're still doing yard waste. How often is recycling happening, what's happening with trash? So in short, none of the things are changing right now. Uh recycling is every week, trash is every week. The, I believe it's seven weekends, is that right Wayne, for seven weeks rather, for

[Speaker 1] (2:34:23 - 2:34:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:23 - 2:34:25)
yard waste that is also continuing.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:26 - 2:34:32)
Um these are all parts of the contract negotiation and so the idea was we're going to automated

[Speaker 5] (2:34:32 - 2:34:41)
which is a c a change. So we will now have a machine with an arm that picks up the barrels uh and dumps them in to the uh to the truck.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:41 - 2:34:48)
That is a significant change. So we wanted to maintain service levels uh with that and and that was a contract that we negotiated. Um

[Speaker 5] (2:34:50 - 2:34:55)
I in I'll sort of stop for questions at any point, but I just wanted to highlight that as number one. Recycling carts,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:56 - 2:34:59)
which we talked about at town meeting obviously and budgeted money,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:59 - 2:35:01)
free cash to purchase,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:01 - 2:35:16)
we anticipate actually executing that this week with the hope that they will be here as soon as possible. There has been some discussion that they could be here at the beginning of July and I think where we are right now on that transition from manual

[Speaker 5] (2:35:17 - 2:35:24)
too fully automated is that we're looking at the second week in July to allow for a little more time for public communication education,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:24 - 2:35:42)
but also to make sure we can reasonably deploy all of these new recycling carts and make sure that, you know, every service address has what they need and what's there and sort of work through any kinks that we may have. We heard from Republic today that they have secured the trucks that we need to go fully automated,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:42 - 2:35:43)
which was sort of an open question.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
should

[Speaker 4] (2:35:44 - 2:35:44)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:44 - 2:36:04)
could require additional funds uh if we went into the we had negotiated down sort of a 90-day window that they had and beyond that they would be swallowing any any related costs um they told us today that they were able to secure it based on when we move forward they're excited about that so as soon as we're ready and deployed uh we will we will be making that transition.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:04 - 2:36:05)
That's a significant savings for

[Speaker 2] (2:36:05 - 2:36:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:06 - 2:36:06)
us.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:06 - 2:36:10)
And it's something they had indicated they thought they would be able to do, but getting the confirmation

[Speaker 5] (2:36:11 - 2:36:11)
Remove.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:11 - 2:36:13)
For button recycling and for trash?

[Speaker 5] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
Correct,

[Speaker 6] (2:36:14 - 2:36:14)
okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:14 - 2:36:17)
And that removed one lever of anxiety that had existed.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:17 - 2:36:18)
Good

[Speaker 5] (2:36:18 - 2:36:21)
So, you know, with that, the recycling carts,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:21 - 2:36:22)
as I said, will be procured.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:23 - 2:36:24)
I mentioned a town meeting,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:24 - 2:36:26)
but just highlighting here again,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:26 - 2:36:28)
it's a 96 gallon barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:28 - 2:36:29)
It is a large recycling barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:30 - 2:36:31)
It's the equivalent to having,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:31 - 2:36:33)
I believe it's four and a half of the bins.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:33 - 2:36:36)
So in terms of volume that can go inside it.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:37 - 2:36:38)
Four and a half.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:39 - 2:36:39)
Bin.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:39 - 2:36:41)
of our trash current trash size.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:41 - 2:36:41)
Not the tra the

[Speaker 6] (2:36:41 - 2:36:42)
The same

[Speaker 5] (2:36:42 - 2:36:42)
bin,

[Speaker 6] (2:36:42 - 2:36:42)
measurements.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:42 - 2:36:42)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:36:43 - 2:36:44)
Oh the little blue recycling bins

[Speaker 6] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
that nobody

[Speaker 6] (2:36:44 - 2:36:45)
the blue,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
uses

[Speaker 6] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:45 - 2:36:46)
I know,

[Speaker 6] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
just

[Speaker 6] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:46 - 2:36:47)
trying to give a

[Speaker 6] (2:36:47 - 2:36:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:48 - 2:36:51)
I'm trying to give a a frame of reference because everyone has a different size barrel.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:51 - 2:36:52)
Yes yes

[Speaker 5] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
A

[Speaker 2] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
right.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:52 - 2:36:53)
bin is something that everyone has

[Speaker 2] (2:36:53 - 2:36:54)
It's a four

[Speaker 5] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
some or approximation

[Speaker 2] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
and a half bin.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:54 - 2:36:55)
that they already work.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:55 - 2:36:55)
Four and a half

[Speaker 5] (2:36:55 - 2:36:55)
It

[Speaker 4] (2:36:55 - 2:36:55)
bin.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:55 - 2:36:58)
might be five, but I I'm gonna go on

[Speaker 2] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
the Lowball

[Speaker 5] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
safe side,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
it.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:58 - 2:36:58)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:59 - 2:37:06)
It's a lot of capacity, and it's something that I will just highlight since I talked about service levels.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:06 - 2:37:10)
One of the reasons that we chose that size is so in the future,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:10 - 2:37:14)
if there is a discussion from a policy standpoint about any changes to the recycling,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:14 - 2:37:16)
it is something that can be handled.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:16 - 2:37:25)
It was not a decision that we wanted to be making in the future based on what had been deployed in the summer of 2026. We wanted to keep every option open.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:26 - 2:37:28)
and leave those policy decisions to be made by the select board.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:29 - 2:37:33)
So I just wanted to highlight that was the one of the important decision points with going with that large barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:34 - 2:37:37)
Also in talking not only to the vendor we chose, but

[Speaker 5] (2:37:37 - 2:37:50)
With other vendors, basically every community that is going automated is going with a large recycling barrel to give as much capacity as possible because tipping recycling is something where we get some money back and it is cheaper than tipping trash.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:51 - 2:37:59)
So we want people to be thinking that way. We want to continue to do everything we can to stay within the 35-gallon trash and doing everything we can to recycle as much material as we can.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:59 - 2:38:15)
Uh untiming. As I mentioned, what we're looking at right now is the second week in July to give us more opportunity to make sure everything is deployed and that we have time to have as many uh conversations and open communication opportunities with the community.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:15 - 2:38:16)
Uh

[Speaker 4] (2:38:16 - 2:38:16)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:38:16 - 2:38:16)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:38:16 - 2:38:21)
we're talking about rolling out this new trash policy the second week in July. In six weeks from now.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:22 - 2:38:23)
That is the idea right

[Speaker 4] (2:38:23 - 2:38:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:23 - 2:38:23)
now.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:23 - 2:38:25)
Including trash, automated for trash.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:25 - 2:38:26)
That's correct, which

[Speaker 1] (2:38:26 - 2:38:26)
Okay, both.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:26 - 2:38:31)
the only the only change in automation for trash is making sure that the barrel is three feet away from

[Speaker 1] (2:38:31 - 2:38:32)
Uh, I right, well that was my point.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:32 - 2:38:34)
you know, obstructions. So the barrel

[Speaker 1] (2:38:34 - 2:38:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:34 - 2:38:42)
we're already we already have the standardized barrel on the trash side. So it's making sure we deploy the standardized barrel on the recycling side.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:42 - 2:38:44)
uh in working through questions and comments

[Speaker 2] (2:38:47 - 2:38:50)
Okay, so I just think that's a really short runway. I just,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:50 - 2:38:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:50 - 2:38:52)
there's a lot of information to get out to people.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:53 - 2:38:55)
The sooner we can do that, the happier

[Speaker 3] (2:38:55 - 2:38:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:55 - 2:39:05)
I will be personally, because I've been asking for it for a bit. I just uh it's six weeks and that's gonna fly, right. So the sooner we can get specifics out and let people know,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:06 - 2:39:10)
This is what you're getting, this is what you're doing, these are your options for better aquari.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:10 - 2:39:20)
And some of that will be up tomorrow. The initial public opportunity would be on Monday the 8th, and then the 15th is the one that we would be doing here for anyone to come in that's just a

[Speaker 1] (2:39:20 - 2:39:25)
uh public information session that's not a hosted by a particular committee or anything like that.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:25 - 2:39:28)
So we're gonna do that for June 8th there's gonna be a session, did you

[Speaker 1] (2:39:28 - 2:39:29)
June eight is the is when it is.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:29 - 2:39:29)
It's gonna be next week.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:29 - 2:39:48)
There's a just right there's a SWAC meeting where Nick will be presenting to to SWAC members to kind of inform them more. Up until now it's really been the task force that's kind of been working on that. Um so the entirety of SWAC will have an opportunity to kind of ask additional questions, kick the tires, make sure that, you know,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:48 - 2:39:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:49 - 2:39:57)
what how we're going to roll this out and take part of the education piece of this, right? Um this SWAC gets involved in addition with with with staff.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:57 - 2:40:02)
So that's on Monday, so we're so at that point we're still not finalised anything, right. We're just

[Speaker 5] (2:40:02 - 2:40:03)
What do you mean

[Speaker 2] (2:40:03 - 2:40:03)
because

[Speaker 5] (2:40:03 - 2:40:03)
finalised?

[Speaker 2] (2:40:03 - 2:40:07)
SWAC is I I don't know, so SWAC is still gonna look at it, right, and in

[Speaker 1] (2:40:07 - 2:40:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:07 - 2:40:10)
kick the tir I mean as to when to what he just said. So

[Speaker 5] (2:40:10 - 2:40:16)
Uh you know or not kick the ti kick the tyres in terms of what other types of questions could be potentially being asked.

[Speaker 5] (2:40:17 - 2:40:20)
Right, so that we so that we can kind of coordinate from a community standpoint how to

[Speaker 5] (2:40:21 - 2:40:23)
how we're gonna educate and do outreach.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:23 - 2:40:23)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:40:23 - 2:40:26)
Right, so that's not really an information session for people to understand,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:26 - 2:40:27)
No, no, information is the 15th.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:27 - 2:40:27)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:40:28 - 2:40:28)
Right. I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:40:28 - 2:40:28)
June

[Speaker 1] (2:40:28 - 2:40:29)
saying,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:29 - 2:40:29)
15th.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:29 - 2:40:37)
being a public meeting, anyone is welcome to join us virtually or in person to answer, to ask questions in the public comment section and obviously,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:37 - 2:40:37)
you

[Speaker 2] (2:40:37 - 2:40:37)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:37 - 2:40:37)
know.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:37 - 2:40:40)
and my concern is that most people won't do that, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:40:40 - 2:40:41)
That's fine.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:41 - 2:40:41)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:41 - 2:40:42)
I understand.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:42 - 2:40:47)
you know, what other methods of communication are we going to employ to get this message out?

[Speaker 7] (2:40:47 - 2:40:48)
Does

[Speaker 1] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48)
my butt.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:48 - 2:40:52)
there's the website, the public information sessions,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:53 - 2:40:58)
And you know working with cable access to make sure it's running on heavy rotation obviously,

[Speaker 2] (2:40:58 - 2:40:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:58 - 2:41:01)
uh and using the social channels that we have available. The other

[Speaker 2] (2:41:01 - 2:41:05)
Maybe we're d maybe we develop an F_A_Q_ that goes out via email to our residents,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:06 - 2:41:08)
and lets them know common questions, this is

[Speaker 1] (2:41:08 - 2:41:14)
The the F_A_Q_ the initial draft not draft the initial F_A_Q_ will be posted tomorrow. That was what I said at the top.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:14 - 2:41:14)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:14 - 2:41:20)
And I haven't turned on the website yet, so it w I'm just setting the expectation it might be noon instead of

[Speaker 1] (2:41:20 - 2:41:21)
Eight a.m.,

[Speaker 2] (2:41:21 - 2:41:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:21 - 2:41:24)
because we need to turn it on, but it's been drafted and looked at

[Speaker 2] (2:41:24 - 2:41:24)
Good.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:24 - 2:41:38)
internally so that it is ready to be turned on with the idea that it will grow with questions that we do Yeah. here and not just the ones that we anticipated or that in speaking with other communities they heard, there's gonna be questions that are particular to Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:38 - 2:41:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:38 - 2:41:49)
Um and we will continue to edit that to to make additions. I would just highlight that if the direction is that there is a broad agreement that that's too quick.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:49 - 2:41:58)
The trash side automation can happen without anyone feeling any real change. The barrel that you have is the barrel we'll be using. It's

[Speaker 2] (2:41:58 - 2:41:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:58 - 2:41:59)
what you have been using for years.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:59 - 2:42:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:00 - 2:42:00)
Just where you And put

[Speaker 1] (2:42:00 - 2:42:00)
instead

[Speaker 6] (2:42:00 - 2:42:00)
it.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:00 - 2:42:04)
of it being someone off the back of the truck that picks it up or puts it into the machine

[Speaker 2] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:04 - 2:42:07)
to tip, it's now gonna be a driver who uses an arm to tip it.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:08 - 2:42:08)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:08 - 2:42:18)
So there's al there's also that opportunity to say, on recycling we push it out a week, two weeks more if there's broad agreement. Because there i you know, it's deploy everything, continue to educate.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:19 - 2:42:22)
there's a marginal difference in cost at that point,

[Speaker 2] (2:42:22 - 2:42:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:22 - 2:42:29)
as long as we go fully automated as soon as possible on the part that people are used to and have been using and understand and and have a comfort level with.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:29 - 2:42:36)
So I I think two things. One, when we went through this pain point prior,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:36 - 2:42:36)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:37 - 2:42:37)
uh

[Speaker 6] (2:42:38 - 2:42:39)
There wasn't good education.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:40 - 2:42:47)
Well, first of all, we weren't in the same financial situation. And second of all, there wasn't a good education on why we were coming to this conclusion,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:47 - 2:42:47)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (2:42:47 - 2:42:48)
just

[Speaker 5] (2:42:48 - 2:42:48)
-hmm,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:48 - 2:42:48)
that you

[Speaker 2] (2:42:48 - 2:42:48)
There

[Speaker 6] (2:42:48 - 2:42:49)
got a barrel

[Speaker 2] (2:42:49 - 2:42:49)
wasn't any

[Speaker 6] (2:42:49 - 2:42:49)
and and it

[Speaker 2] (2:42:49 - 2:42:50)
wasn't any education

[Speaker 6] (2:42:50 - 2:42:51)
wasn't a G8

[Speaker 5] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
mm

[Speaker 6] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
education.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
-hmm, mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:51 - 2:42:56)
I think we've, although we have not come up with the exact conversations,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:56 - 2:43:04)
we have been talking about the fact that this is going to be a financial savings. We've been talking, we've been laying this foundation, although not.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:04 - 2:43:08)
So not specific to your trash needs to be set up in this spot,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:08 - 2:43:10)
your recycling now needs to be in this barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:10 - 2:43:14)
So I agree that there needs to be a little bit of time for that conversation.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:14 - 2:43:23)
But I think the backbone of this is really the financial ramifications. So if we were to pull it out a month or two months,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:23 - 2:43:28)
how much is that going to cost the town on the recycling side?

[Speaker 2] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:43:30 - 2:43:30)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:43:30 - 2:43:52)
d I think that's a whole nother we we also have to have another conversation involved in this too, because we're talking about we're we're talking about right now putting out two new containers. That's that's the topic. Here's two containers, put them at the end of your driveway and send your stuff out. But we also have to talk about our service levels. And as a policy making board,

[Speaker 2] (2:43:52 - 2:43:57)
we have to we really have to decide what are we doing as far as our service level.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:57 - 2:44:01)
Are we, are we allowing people to buy another bin,

[Speaker 2] (2:44:01 - 2:44:02)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:02 - 2:44:06)
which I'm a big supporter of, buy another bin for your, for your trash,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:06 - 2:44:08)
what's the cost on that?

[Speaker 2] (2:44:08 - 2:44:08)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:08 - 2:44:22)
How are you gonna get billed? And then the second thing is how often are we going to do recycling? Do we still do recycling every single week? Now part of the contract that was negotiated gives us another variable in there of whether or not to have

[Speaker 2] (2:44:22 - 2:44:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:22 - 2:44:24)
recycling every week or recycling every

[Speaker 9] (2:44:24 - 2:44:24)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:24 - 2:44:26)
other week and then buy another bin. But

[Speaker 8] (2:44:26 - 2:44:30)
My concern is we turn around and we say okay, here's your new bins,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:31 - 2:44:32)
here's your new bins, and then

[Speaker 8] (2:44:33 - 2:44:42)
at what point do we turn around and say well, we're also changing, we're changing the way we're doing it. We're going to you have recycling every other week.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:42 - 2:44:42)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:42 - 2:44:43)
Or, you know, well

[Speaker 2] (2:44:43 - 2:44:43)
That's one

[Speaker 8] (2:44:43 - 2:44:44)
I have

[Speaker 2] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
of

[Speaker 8] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
a the whole

[Speaker 2] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
big

[Speaker 8] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
big

[Speaker 2] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
conversations

[Speaker 8] (2:44:44 - 2:44:45)
question that

[Speaker 2] (2:44:45 - 2:44:45)
people

[Speaker 6] (2:44:45 - 2:44:45)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (2:44:45 - 2:44:46)
you want to know the answers to,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:46 - 2:44:46)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:46 - 2:44:47)
right? They want to know

[Speaker 6] (2:44:47 - 2:44:47)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:44:47 - 2:44:47)
how

[Speaker 6] (2:44:47 - 2:44:47)
mean I

[Speaker 2] (2:44:47 - 2:44:48)
much is my second barrel?

[Speaker 2] (2:44:49 - 2:44:50)
Do I get a second barrel?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:51 - 2:44:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:51 - 2:44:52)
Can I have one?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:52 - 2:44:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:52 - 2:44:54)
You know, is my recycling ever

[Speaker 5] (2:44:54 - 2:44:54)
service

[Speaker 2] (2:44:54 - 2:44:54)
going to change?

[Speaker 5] (2:44:54 - 2:44:54)
to stay,

[Speaker 2] (2:44:54 - 2:44:54)
Right?

[Speaker 5] (2:44:54 - 2:44:55)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:55 - 2:44:57)
And I think as a board we need to

[Speaker 5] (2:44:58 - 2:45:01)
So I think we're trying to stage these conversations a little bit, right,

[Speaker 5] (2:45:01 - 2:45:08)
so that we can begin to socialize these things. It just comes down to, you know, there is going to be an adjustment.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:09 - 2:45:12)
going to automate automated and there's going to be a bit of some

[Speaker 2] (2:45:12 - 2:45:13)
Pain point.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:13 - 2:45:20)
pain points in terms of getting the word out to all 5,000 something residences to know that

[Speaker 8] (2:45:21 - 2:45:22)
It's going to be set this way

[Speaker 5] (2:45:22 - 2:45:23)
You need

[Speaker 8] (2:45:23 - 2:45:24)
and it's going to exactly, be on our, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:24 - 2:45:24)
exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:25 - 2:45:27)
And I think Republic understands that.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:27 - 2:45:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:27 - 2:45:29)
They've gone through this before.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:29 - 2:45:31)
In fact, almost all North Shore communities are

[Speaker 6] (2:45:31 - 2:45:32)
I was going to say, if

[Speaker 5] (2:45:32 - 2:45:32)
going through

[Speaker 6] (2:45:32 - 2:45:32)
it lives

[Speaker 5] (2:45:32 - 2:45:33)
this.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:33 - 2:45:41)
in any other city surrounding Swampscott, you already know what to do. And I'm not saying that I have faith in the people of Swampscott to know how to put out the trash.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:41 - 2:45:45)
If we inform them, it has to be out that way in a certain way.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:45 - 2:45:47)
I guess what I'm saying is.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:47 - 2:45:49)
When we're having these conversations,

[Speaker 6] (2:45:49 - 2:45:52)
we should be setting the table that additional policy conversations are happening.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:53 - 2:45:57)
I don't think it's a smart idea to roll them all out at the same time.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:57 - 2:45:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:58 - 2:45:58)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:59 - 2:46:01)
So, so my worry is

[Speaker 8] (2:46:02 - 2:46:13)
So we're going to roll out one. Oh, here's your new barrels, and then next week we're going to roll out you can buy some new barrels, and then the following we're going to roll out guess what, now you're going to now here's a new policy, you're only going to be recycling every other week.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:13 - 2:46:14)
I I I don't

[Speaker 8] (2:46:14 - 2:46:14)
Confusion.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:14 - 2:46:14)
I think you're talking about

[Speaker 2] (2:46:14 - 2:46:15)
know why

[Speaker 5] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
the same

[Speaker 2] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
we both

[Speaker 5] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
thing.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:15 - 2:46:18)
roll them out all at the same time. I don't understand

[Speaker 8] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
What

[Speaker 2] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
why

[Speaker 8] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
did you

[Speaker 2] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
we

[Speaker 8] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
say?

[Speaker 1] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
don't do it

[Speaker 1] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
if

[Speaker 2] (2:46:18 - 2:46:18)
to a piecemeal.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:18 - 2:46:20)
if I if I could just speak

[Speaker 8] (2:46:20 - 2:46:20)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:20 - 2:46:28)
to the the service levels particularly we want to negotiate a contract that would allow you all to make a thoughtful

[Speaker 6] (2:46:29 - 2:46:30)
decision.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:30 - 2:46:44)
decision with deliberation on what and how you wanted to change it. The time, the best time for us to be negotiating price was when we had multiple competitors all coming back to us and not saying we don't really think what you gave us as a quote-unquote discount between

[Speaker 1] (2:46:45 - 2:47:02)
a every week and every other week is meaningful can you take another look at that or you know if we have these ideas about it how do they impact the price if we were to do this if we were to sign a contract and say it's every week and then come back to them in a year and say let's negotiate now we're stuck for four more years

[Speaker 8] (2:47:02 - 2:47:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:02 - 2:47:04)
with them they don't really have to work with us on it so

[Speaker 8] (2:47:04 - 2:47:04)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:04 - 2:47:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:05 - 2:47:13)
that was the opportunity where you know we were able to establish that this is a potential you know and we wanted to know what the best price was

[Speaker 1] (2:47:14 - 2:47:26)
and we were able to get them to compete against each other. I my personal opinion and idea is similar to Wayne's. If it's a if it's a significant change in service level and every other week is for a community that's always been every week.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:27 - 2:47:33)
That's something that I would like to socialize far beyond just we're asking you to put it in a different barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:33 - 2:47:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:33 - 2:47:36)
I want you to, not just you all,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:36 - 2:47:38)
but I want to be able to say to the community,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:38 - 2:47:42)
like, the savings are X and it's significant and here's why we think it's worthwhile.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:43 - 2:47:44)
We want your feedback.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:44 - 2:47:46)
I also am not trying

[Speaker 8] (2:47:46 - 2:47:47)
I don't...

[Speaker 1] (2:47:47 - 2:47:48)
to hide the ball on the fact that...

[Speaker 1] (2:47:49 - 2:47:55)
We have a larger barrel to allow for that if that's the decision that's made and we negotiated it because this is the moment at which we had leverage.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:55 - 2:47:56)
So it

[Speaker 6] (2:47:56 - 2:47:57)
And I also

[Speaker 1] (2:47:57 - 2:48:01)
it's not trying to put you all in a position you have to do it, it's just leaving as many options on the table so you can.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:02 - 2:48:07)
I also think you're going to get a lot less pushback if you give them the barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:07 - 2:48:13)
allow them to actually use it for a little bit notice how much recycling they're actually putting in it

[Speaker 5] (2:48:13 - 2:48:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:13 - 2:48:26)
and then say like okay this is we've used it for six months we can tell that this isn't going to be a problem to move to two weeks now and now you all agree because you've utilized the barrel and you see that it's that's not going to be a problem and

[Speaker 8] (2:48:26 - 2:48:28)
I don't think I agree with that

[Speaker 2] (2:48:28 - 2:48:28)
I don't

[Speaker 8] (2:48:28 - 2:48:32)
because I think everybody and their mother uses a different size recycle bin to assume that we

[Speaker 6] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
again

[Speaker 8] (2:48:32 - 2:48:33)
all use

[Speaker 6] (2:48:33 - 2:48:33)
a new

[Speaker 6] (2:48:33 - 2:48:33)
brand new

[Speaker 5] (2:48:33 - 2:48:33)
They

[Speaker 6] (2:48:33 - 2:48:34)
barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:48:34 - 2:48:34)
do now. They

[Speaker 8] (2:48:34 - 2:48:34)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (2:48:34 - 2:48:35)
do now.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35)
brand new

[Speaker 8] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35)
they do

[Speaker 5] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35)
barrel. Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:35 - 2:48:35)
now.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:36 - 2:48:39)
I mean, I use two big huge blue ones, right? So if you're going to tell me

[Speaker 3] (2:48:49 - 2:48:49)
The nine

[Speaker 2] (2:48:49 - 2:48:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:49 - 2:48:52)
piece gallons? Nine piece gallons is pretty it's huge.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:52 - 2:48:53)
How could two?

[Speaker 3] (2:48:53 - 2:48:54)
You have two ninety six gallons

[Speaker 1] (2:48:54 - 2:48:55)
Two ninety six gallons

[Speaker 3] (2:48:55 - 2:48:55)
they're using for recycling?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:55 - 2:48:56)
that I use every week.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:57 - 2:48:57)
Huh?

[Speaker 1] (2:48:57 - 2:48:58)
So that's just me,

[Speaker 3] (2:48:58 - 2:48:58)
Let's

[Speaker 1] (2:48:58 - 2:48:58)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:48:58 - 2:48:58)
go.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:58 - 2:49:00)
And I'm not really great at it, but

[Speaker 1] (2:49:01 - 2:49:01)
Honestly, I'm

[Speaker 4] (2:49:01 - 2:49:01)
Sounds

[Speaker 1] (2:49:01 - 2:49:02)
sure there's people

[Speaker 4] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
like better you have

[Speaker 3] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
That

[Speaker 1] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
than

[Speaker 3] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
sounds

[Speaker 4] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
your

[Speaker 1] (2:49:02 - 2:49:02)
me.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:02 - 2:49:03)
like your

[Speaker 4] (2:49:03 - 2:49:03)
There sounds

[Speaker 3] (2:49:03 - 2:49:03)
cat.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:03 - 2:49:03)
are people

[Speaker 4] (2:49:03 - 2:49:03)
like you're

[Speaker 1] (2:49:03 - 2:49:03)
better

[Speaker 4] (2:49:03 - 2:49:04)
your banner

[Speaker 1] (2:49:04 - 2:49:04)
than me.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:04 - 2:49:04)
at

[Speaker 1] (2:49:04 - 2:49:05)
Honest

[Speaker 4] (2:49:05 - 2:49:05)
a

[Speaker 1] (2:49:05 - 2:49:07)
to God. It sounds like you win the trophy.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:07 - 2:49:12)
Yeah, but there's a lot of people that do it. So I my concern is, yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12)
OK,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:13 - 2:49:18)
we want to take baby steps and get people acclimated to X. But I think you're better off.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:18 - 2:49:22)
Here's the whole thing. This is what's coming down. This is this is all of it. Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:22 - 2:49:23)
But at least

[Speaker 1] (2:49:23 - 2:49:23)
At one

[Speaker 3] (2:49:23 - 2:49:23)
lay it

[Speaker 1] (2:49:23 - 2:49:23)
point.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:23 - 2:49:24)
out all on the table. Not

[Speaker 1] (2:49:24 - 2:49:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:24 - 2:49:25)
I'm not

[Speaker 1] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
exactly.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
See

[Speaker 3] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
suggesting

[Speaker 4] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
lay it

[Speaker 3] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:25 - 2:49:25)
like

[Speaker 4] (2:49:25 - 2:49:26)
out on the table

[Speaker 1] (2:49:26 - 2:49:26)
we're hiding

[Speaker 4] (2:49:26 - 2:49:26)
because

[Speaker 1] (2:49:26 - 2:49:27)
it. Well, because.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:27 - 2:49:27)
Thingy

[Speaker 1] (2:49:27 - 2:49:27)
Well, bec because you might

[Speaker 5] (2:49:27 - 2:49:27)
not

[Speaker 1] (2:49:27 - 2:49:28)
want to

[Speaker 5] (2:49:28 - 2:49:28)
cutting.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:28 - 2:49:28)
say we

[Speaker 5] (2:49:28 - 2:49:28)
No tight

[Speaker 1] (2:49:28 - 2:49:29)
we're

[Speaker 5] (2:49:29 - 2:49:29)
ends.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:29 - 2:49:34)
we are going to be going to every other week recycling, but we're not going to start doing that until X_ date.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:35 - 2:49:36)
That's what I think we So sh

[Speaker 1] (2:49:36 - 2:49:40)
we're gonna do X_ date. But I want everything out on the table Yes. right away. I don't want

[Speaker 5] (2:49:40 - 2:49:40)
Think yeah. about

[Speaker 1] (2:49:40 - 2:49:40)
Yeah. I don't want

[Speaker 5] (2:49:40 - 2:49:41)
that, yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:41 - 2:49:41)
I Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:41 - 2:49:43)
don't want by the way by the way by the way,

[Speaker 5] (2:49:43 - 2:49:44)
Right. No,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:44 - 2:49:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:44 - 2:49:44)
ok all out.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:44 - 2:49:46)
nobody's saying that though, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:49:46 - 2:49:46)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:46 - 2:49:47)
No, I

[Speaker 1] (2:49:47 - 2:49:47)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:49:47 - 2:49:47)
think

[Speaker 1] (2:49:47 - 2:49:48)
that's exactly what we just said though, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:49:48 - 2:49:49)
It is not.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:49 - 2:49:50)
That's a failed approach.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:50 - 2:49:52)
But Nick, Nick said,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:53 - 2:49:57)
I can I I think we're all talking about somewhat of the same thing.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:57 - 2:49:57)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:49:57 - 2:49:57)
We're

[Speaker 6] (2:49:57 - 2:49:58)
don't

[Speaker 3] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
just looking

[Speaker 1] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
Probably.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
at it from different

[Speaker 6] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
think

[Speaker 3] (2:49:58 - 2:49:59)
people's.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:59 - 2:50:00)
there's real disagreement.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:00 - 2:50:04)
I don't think that we're hiding it at all. I just laid out that we negotiated for it.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:04 - 2:50:04)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:04 - 2:50:08)
We chose the barrel with it in mind,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:08 - 2:50:08)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:08 - 2:50:14)
but it is ultimately the decision of the you all have said it several times tonight, the policy-making board here in town,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:14 - 2:50:14)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:14 - 2:50:15)
so that we can implement.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:15 - 2:50:22)
I don't know that we have an exact time in mind, but if you all say you want it to be six months from now or next spring,

[Speaker 6] (2:50:22 - 2:50:22)
then

[Speaker 3] (2:50:22 - 2:50:26)
Now, I think we have some a learning cycle to go through over a couple of months.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:26 - 2:50:27)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:50:27 - 2:50:32)
I think we reserve we have to reserve the right and this is about this is about

[Speaker 3] (2:50:33 - 2:50:35)
How we go to the public with this.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:35 - 2:50:38)
We need to say that we are considering going down to six months.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:39 - 2:50:41)
Deciding tonight about it?

[Speaker 5] (2:50:41 - 2:50:42)
Every other week you mean.

[Speaker 7] (2:50:42 - 2:50:42)
Every other week.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:42 - 2:50:43)
What did I just say?

[Speaker 1] (2:50:43 - 2:50:44)
Now it's six months.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:44 - 2:50:46)
We'll never be able to get Daniel out of the house.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:46 - 2:50:46)
Twice

[Speaker 6] (2:50:46 - 2:50:46)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:46 - 2:50:47)
a year.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:47 - 2:50:48)
Did I really just say that?

[Speaker 7] (2:50:48 - 2:50:49)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:49 - 2:50:49)
God.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:49 - 2:50:50)
Yes, I think

[Speaker 3] (2:50:50 - 2:50:50)
It's been

[Speaker 5] (2:50:50 - 2:50:50)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:50:50 - 2:50:51)
a long night.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:51 - 2:50:51)
all

[Speaker 3] (2:50:51 - 2:50:51)
Every

[Speaker 5] (2:50:51 - 2:50:51)
are

[Speaker 3] (2:50:51 - 2:50:52)
other week. Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:52 - 2:50:56)
we need to we need to start the conversation with you're going to get a new barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:57 - 2:50:58)
This is going to be automated.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:59 - 2:51:03)
We negotiated the price for this to go every other week. Good for us.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:03 - 2:51:11)
We pretty much feel like that is going to happen imminently. What does imminently look like? You know, it could be months, but we have to move towards that conversation.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:11 - 2:51:12)
One.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:13 - 2:51:19)
My awareness of this is just that we can't, and I think.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:19 - 2:51:21)
I'm probably saying the same thing you just said, but

[Speaker 6] (2:51:21 - 2:51:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:21 - 2:51:23)
like we we need to communicate it once

[Speaker 5] (2:51:23 - 2:51:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:23 - 2:51:24)
and not drip drip drip drip drop.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:24 - 2:51:24)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:24 - 2:51:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:24 - 2:51:25)
That's what we all agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:25 - 2:51:26)
We're all in agreement with that.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:26 - 2:51:27)
All agree.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:27 - 2:51:31)
But also we're not locking in the decision to do anything right now, right. Are we gonna make a policy decision in the next

[Speaker 5] (2:51:31 - 2:51:32)
That's right.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:32 - 2:51:34)
before July whatever that we're gonna

[Speaker 1] (2:51:34 - 2:51:38)
Yeah, I think we should be making a policy decision as quickly as possible.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:38 - 2:51:42)
I think we should be making a policy decision on a second barrel and

[Speaker 10] (2:51:42 - 2:51:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:42 - 2:51:44)
how much it's gonna cost people and

[Speaker 10] (2:51:44 - 2:51:44)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:44 - 2:51:44)
let them

[Speaker 3] (2:51:44 - 2:51:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:44 - 2:51:45)
know that as

[Speaker 9] (2:51:45 - 2:51:45)
That's

[Speaker 10] (2:51:45 - 2:51:45)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:45 - 2:51:45)
soon

[Speaker 9] (2:51:45 - 2:51:46)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:51:46 - 2:51:46)
as possible.

[Speaker 10] (2:51:46 - 2:51:46)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:46 - 2:51:48)
an easier policy decision to

[Speaker 3] (2:51:48 - 2:51:48)
Exactly.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:48 - 2:51:48)
make

[Speaker 10] (2:51:48 - 2:51:48)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:48 - 2:51:49)
than it is

[Speaker 1] (2:51:49 - 2:51:49)
Then

[Speaker 9] (2:51:49 - 2:51:49)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:51:49 - 2:51:49)
recycling.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:49 - 2:51:51)
say we're gonna be altering your recycling schedule and

[Speaker 5] (2:51:51 - 2:51:52)
Okay. Every other

[Speaker 9] (2:51:52 - 2:51:52)
we're

[Speaker 5] (2:51:52 - 2:51:52)
week.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:52 - 2:51:52)
gonna tell

[Speaker 5] (2:51:52 - 2:51:52)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:51:52 - 2:51:53)
you agree. tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:53 - 2:51:53)
For sure.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:53 - 2:51:58)
But there's there's some math behind as to what that ends up being though, right? And that's what we have to to

[Speaker 1] (2:51:58 - 2:51:58)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:51:58 - 2:51:59)
have the conversation that's about.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:59 - 2:52:00)
what I would have hoped has

[Speaker 3] (2:52:00 - 2:52:00)
It's a financial.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:00 - 2:52:01)
already been figured out.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:01 - 2:52:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:01 - 2:52:02)
At by this

[Speaker 10] (2:52:02 - 2:52:03)
What the math?

[Speaker 1] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03)
j

[Speaker 1] (2:52:03 - 2:52:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:04 - 2:52:05)
To buy the extra barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:05 - 2:52:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:05 - 2:52:05)
So

[Speaker 10] (2:52:05 - 2:52:05)
We

[Speaker 3] (2:52:05 - 2:52:06)
we have the cost

[Speaker 10] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
have

[Speaker 3] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
for

[Speaker 10] (2:52:06 - 2:52:06)
that.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:06 - 2:52:07)
we have the cost for a second barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:07 - 2:52:11)
second barrel and we have the maximum weight that it could be. So we could

[Speaker 1] (2:52:11 - 2:52:11)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:11 - 2:52:12)
we

[Speaker 3] (2:52:12 - 2:52:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:12 - 2:52:17)
can give you the over fifty two weeks you are doing a quarter a ton and so t we

[Speaker 3] (2:52:17 - 2:52:18)
That's

[Speaker 6] (2:52:18 - 2:52:18)
can

[Speaker 3] (2:52:18 - 2:52:18)
I exact.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:18 - 2:52:18)
have

[Speaker 1] (2:52:18 - 2:52:18)
know,

[Speaker 6] (2:52:18 - 2:52:18)
the ro

[Speaker 1] (2:52:18 - 2:52:24)
people wanna know how much is the second barrel costing me a year, and do I still have to buy blue bags? That's what they wanna know.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:24 - 2:52:24)
Right, so

[Speaker 3] (2:52:24 - 2:52:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:24 - 2:52:25)
again I So I was

[Speaker 1] (2:52:25 - 2:52:26)
let's

[Speaker 6] (2:52:26 - 2:52:26)
going

[Speaker 1] (2:52:26 - 2:52:26)
give them

[Speaker 6] (2:52:26 - 2:52:26)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:52:26 - 2:52:26)
that.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:26 - 2:52:29)
dis blue bags, yes, you can continue using

[Speaker 3] (2:52:29 - 2:52:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:29 - 2:52:29)
them.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:29 - 2:52:30)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:30 - 2:52:31)
Ideally just put it on top.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:31 - 2:52:32)
Same cost.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:32 - 2:52:34)
Same as of today, yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34)
It

[Speaker 3] (2:52:34 - 2:52:35)
I that that's

[Speaker 6] (2:52:35 - 2:52:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:35 - 2:52:35)
Right?

[Speaker 6] (2:52:35 - 2:52:36)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:52:36 - 2:52:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:36 - 2:52:36)
think what

[Speaker 1] (2:52:36 - 2:52:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:36 - 2:52:44)
makes more sense, but I do not have the answer right now for you Danielle, is the idea that if it's someone that habitually is buying bags that

[Speaker 1] (2:52:44 - 2:52:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:44 - 2:52:47)
there is a barrel and the cost is X.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:47 - 2:52:49)
And that covers the cost and the tipping.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:50 - 2:52:59)
The question, and this will again be a c a decision that SWAC will weigh in, and it's probably looked at already, is is this an annual cost or a one-time cost? Obviously the barrel is a one-time cost, but

[Speaker 1] (2:52:59 - 2:52:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:59 - 2:53:00)
do we want to set aside

[Speaker 1] (2:53:00 - 2:53:01)
Additional tipping.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:01 - 2:53:03)
if you're if you're tipping a quarter

[Speaker 3] (2:53:03 - 2:53:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:03 - 2:53:05)
ton in that one barrel over the course of the year,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:05 - 2:53:08)
is it then a quarter of that one twenty five, you know.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:08 - 2:53:09)
I think it has to be annual because

[Speaker 1] (2:53:09 - 2:53:10)
It's gotta be annual.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:10 - 2:53:11)
because the contract

[Speaker 1] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
You gotta keep them out.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:11 - 2:53:12)
we only have a finite

[Speaker 3] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:12 - 2:53:13)
amount of time under the contract.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:13 - 2:53:15)
Contract, right? So this is a contract for how many years?

[Speaker 3] (2:53:15 - 2:53:15)
Five.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:15 - 2:53:16)
Five years.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:16 - 2:53:16)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:16 - 2:53:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:16 - 2:53:22)
So after five years, tipping could go way up, tipping could go down, to be, you know,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:22 - 2:53:22)
like Well, what's going to go?

[Speaker 5] (2:53:22 - 2:53:23)
things are going to change.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:23 - 2:53:34)
another conversation that we're going to be having to face within the next 12 months, we're going to have to start talking about is whether or not we are charging for our trash.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:34 - 2:53:35)
That's just something

[Speaker 5] (2:53:35 - 2:53:35)
Right. Trash.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:35 - 2:53:37)
we have to, the trash fee,

[Speaker 11] (2:53:37 - 2:53:39)
we have to start discussing a trash fee.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:39 - 2:53:46)
sooner rather than later whether or not people think we should or we shouldn't, you know, whether you you people think we should or we shouldn't,

[Speaker 5] (2:53:46 - 2:53:46)
You people.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:46 - 2:53:47)
you people, us people,

[Speaker 5] (2:53:47 - 2:53:47)
Wow.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:47 - 2:53:53)
not folks, it's late so we have to we but that's something we do have to decide and on

[Speaker 5] (2:53:54 - 2:53:57)
Yeah, I just don't want perfection to stop us from moving forward on

[Speaker 3] (2:53:57 - 2:53:57)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:57 - 2:54:00)
certain things. So I agree that we need to have that conversation,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:00 - 2:54:02)
but and I agree that we could even

[Speaker 5] (2:54:03 - 2:54:11)
flow ideas of that conversation if somebody asked that conversation at the SWAC meeting or at the public meeting we should say it's plausible that that could be a policy decision the

[Speaker 11] (2:54:11 - 2:54:11)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:11 - 2:54:14)
board makes look at the surrounding areas

[Speaker 11] (2:54:14 - 2:54:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:14 - 2:54:16)
that if you can read 20 articles about it in the last month

[Speaker 3] (2:54:16 - 2:54:17)
Yep, yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:17 - 2:54:23)
but they have not made that decision today and what we're talking about today are the size of your recycling barrel

[Speaker 5] (2:54:24 - 2:54:24)
The

[Speaker 11] (2:54:24 - 2:54:24)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:24 - 2:54:26)
where you're putting it for automated pick up and

[Speaker 3] (2:54:26 - 2:54:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:27 - 2:54:36)
the idea that we've already negotiated to go to every other week and that the select board is actively discussing this so if you want to be a partner in this conversation please show up and tell them what your thoughts are.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:37 - 2:54:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:39 - 2:54:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:40 - 2:54:42)
Not no dribble no lies no hiding the ball.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:42 - 2:54:42)
Nope.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:43 - 2:54:44)
I can be as transparent as possible.

[Speaker 11] (2:54:44 - 2:54:44)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:44 - 2:54:45)
I do not.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:47 - 2:54:52)
Happy to take correction. I think we are doing the opposite of patting the ball by talking about what we negotiated,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
Agreed.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:52 - 2:54:54)
explaining why we chose the barrels,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:54 - 2:55:06)
and I will happily circulate the exact dollar amount for if we were to extend it to August 1st before we go fully automated with the recycling to give more of a runway.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:07 - 2:55:19)
I think it will not be as shocking as it is in other communities where you get two new barrels and like so you're getting used to the size of the barrels and where they're going because you all have done a ton of hard work in the past to

[Speaker 11] (2:55:19 - 2:55:19)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:19 - 2:55:23)
use the barrels that are small on the trash side,

[Speaker 6] (2:55:23 - 2:55:25)
get used to it, socialize it,

[Speaker 6] (2:55:25 - 2:55:26)
even though it was painful when it started.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:27 - 2:55:28)
It's still painful.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:28 - 2:55:29)
There's been a ton of benefits that

[Speaker 5] (2:55:29 - 2:55:29)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:29 - 2:55:30)
town has derived from that over time.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:30 - 2:55:33)
Yes. I will just say also that we will continue.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:34 - 2:55:44)
For this process to be painful because no matter how I we listen We're gonna opine to do the most public engagement possible and get all the information out but no matter what there is going to be people who

[Speaker 3] (2:55:44 - 2:55:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:55:44 - 2:55:47)
say I did not know this was gonna happen and

[Speaker 1] (2:55:47 - 2:55:47)
Of course.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:47 - 2:55:47)
And that's

[Speaker 5] (2:55:47 - 2:55:48)
so but we

[Speaker 3] (2:55:48 - 2:55:49)
reality.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:49 - 2:55:55)
will commit which is what we're all here to do is to commit that we will engage in multiple facets as best we can I

[Speaker 5] (2:55:55 - 2:55:59)
Think by the sick by the 17th that meeting for the 17th. We do need to know

[Speaker 5] (2:56:00 - 2:56:02)
per barrel Yes. annual or not so

[Speaker 11] (2:56:02 - 2:56:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:03 - 2:56:09)
that we can start talking about that because the I guarantee you on the 8th and the 15th that's the first question that you're going to get

[Speaker 3] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09)
so Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:56:10 - 2:56:10)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:10 - 2:56:11)
Where do you get the second barrel?

[Speaker 11] (2:56:12 - 2:56:12)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:12 - 2:56:14)
is that yeah how are we going to get the second trash barrel

[Speaker 3] (2:56:14 - 2:56:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:14 - 2:56:15)
how much is it going to cost

[Speaker 11] (2:56:15 - 2:56:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:15 - 2:56:17)
is it is it going to be an annual fee

[Speaker 11] (2:56:17 - 2:56:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:17 - 2:56:18)
and so

[Speaker 11] (2:56:18 - 2:56:18)
Am

[Speaker 5] (2:56:18 - 2:56:18)
we

[Speaker 11] (2:56:18 - 2:56:19)
I still use blue bags?

[Speaker 11] (2:56:19 - 2:56:20)
This is what

[Speaker 5] (2:56:20 - 2:56:20)
yeah

[Speaker 11] (2:56:20 - 2:56:21)
it's going to be.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
can I still

[Speaker 6] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
The blue

[Speaker 5] (2:56:21 - 2:56:21)
use the bags

[Speaker 6] (2:56:21 - 2:56:22)
bags

[Speaker 5] (2:56:22 - 2:56:22)
yes

[Speaker 6] (2:56:22 - 2:56:25)
are a question that are on the FAQ that you can like that

[Speaker 11] (2:56:25 - 2:56:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:25 - 2:56:28)
and that was a one of the initial like threshold questions we had.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:29 - 2:56:30)
in

[Speaker 11] (2:56:30 - 2:56:30)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:30 - 2:56:45)
January with folks saying we don't want to be in a situation where you say absolutely not and some originally said no we don't want to do the blue bag we don't want to have any bags sitting on top and when we said you know the conversations with your competitors is we can handle it the tune changed.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:45 - 2:56:47)
So how does the blue bag work with the automation?

[Speaker 5] (2:56:47 - 2:56:48)
If you put it

[Speaker 11] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
right under

[Speaker 11] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
then

[Speaker 6] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
the then

[Speaker 5] (2:56:48 - 2:56:50)
barrel and the arm comes in and it just flips the

[Speaker 11] (2:56:50 - 2:56:50)
there

[Speaker 5] (2:56:50 - 2:56:50)
whole thing.

[Speaker 11] (2:56:50 - 2:56:52)
you could only have one blue bag.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:52 - 2:56:53)
Well, you

[Speaker 11] (2:56:53 - 2:56:55)
It can might be a change for people because there are people that have

[Speaker 6] (2:56:55 - 2:56:58)
multiple. Right and and just to be clear this is not that they're gonna drive

[Speaker 6] (2:56:58 - 2:57:04)
drive past a place that has other bags, Danielle, it is ideally you put one or two on top and they can lift it. It

[Speaker 11] (2:57:04 - 2:57:05)
One.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:05 - 2:57:05)
they

[Speaker 11] (2:57:05 - 2:57:05)
One.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:05 - 2:57:05)
time.

[Speaker 11] (2:57:05 - 2:57:06)
One.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:06 - 2:57:07)
Okay, regard.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:07 - 2:57:08)
It fit more than

[Speaker 6] (2:57:08 - 2:57:08)
Please,

[Speaker 5] (2:57:08 - 2:57:08)
one.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:08 - 2:57:10)
if I could just get through the thoughts.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:11 - 2:57:15)
They are m they are able to stop and get out. The driver of

[Speaker 11] (2:57:15 - 2:57:15)
So there

[Speaker 6] (2:57:15 - 2:57:15)
the truck

[Speaker 11] (2:57:15 - 2:57:15)
is that.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:15 - 2:57:16)
is actually on

[Speaker 11] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
the

[Speaker 11] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
o on

[Speaker 3] (2:57:16 - 2:57:17)
It's

[Speaker 6] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
only

[Speaker 6] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
curb.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:17 - 2:57:18)
one driver now. That's the that's the point.

[Speaker 11] (2:57:18 - 2:57:19)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:19 - 2:57:20)
There's one driver. There's no guy in the back of the truck.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:20 - 2:57:21)
And the problem is if

[Speaker 11] (2:57:21 - 2:57:21)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:21 - 2:57:26)
it's the household is a habit then that is when the service will there there'll be

[Speaker 5] (2:57:26 - 2:57:30)
the thoughts provided back to us as the town to say like okay

[Speaker 6] (2:57:30 - 2:57:36)
And episodic, like there was a, you know, birthday party for a child and you had extra trash and they'll

[Speaker 5] (2:57:36 - 2:57:37)
You're going

[Speaker 6] (2:57:37 - 2:57:37)
just

[Speaker 5] (2:57:37 - 2:57:37)
to get

[Speaker 6] (2:57:37 - 2:57:37)
take

[Speaker 5] (2:57:37 - 2:57:37)
out and

[Speaker 6] (2:57:37 - 2:57:38)
it throw it in.

[Speaker 11] (2:57:38 - 2:57:40)
Not going to be episodic, I'm telling you.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:40 - 2:57:41)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:57:41 - 2:57:41)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:57:41 - 2:57:41)
we're gonna

[Speaker 6] (2:57:41 - 2:57:41)
and

[Speaker 11] (2:57:41 - 2:57:41)
But

[Speaker 5] (2:57:41 - 2:57:41)
put

[Speaker 6] (2:57:41 - 2:57:41)
I use I

[Speaker 11] (2:57:41 - 2:57:42)
your multiple

[Speaker 6] (2:57:42 - 2:57:42)
hear

[Speaker 11] (2:57:42 - 2:57:42)
feds.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:42 - 2:57:43)
you loud and clear, and

[Speaker 5] (2:57:43 - 2:57:43)
Are we

[Speaker 6] (2:57:43 - 2:57:43)
we will

[Speaker 5] (2:57:43 - 2:57:43)
gonna have buy a

[Speaker 6] (2:57:43 - 2:57:43)
an

[Speaker 5] (2:57:43 - 2:57:44)
barrel?

[Speaker 6] (2:57:44 - 2:57:45)
answer. I understand what

[Speaker 5] (2:57:45 - 2:57:45)
There's

[Speaker 6] (2:57:45 - 2:57:45)
you're

[Speaker 5] (2:57:45 - 2:57:45)
gonna

[Speaker 6] (2:57:45 - 2:57:45)
saying.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:45 - 2:57:45)
be an answer.

[Speaker 11] (2:57:45 - 2:57:46)
Are you stressing out there?

[Speaker 11] (2:57:47 - 2:57:47)
Talk

[Speaker 6] (2:57:47 - 2:57:47)
Help

[Speaker 11] (2:57:47 - 2:57:47)
That's just

[Speaker 6] (2:57:47 - 2:57:47)
me.

[Speaker 11] (2:57:47 - 2:57:50)
a I mean just bringing I mean this is just the reality of

[Speaker 5] (2:57:50 - 2:57:50)
Okay,

[Speaker 11] (2:57:50 - 2:57:50)
it.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:50 - 2:57:55)
so by this by the 17th, then we're gonna have an answer for the extra barrel. We're gonna have You'll that conversation

[Speaker 9] (2:57:55 - 2:57:56)
have it before that.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:56 - 2:57:58)
Okay before that's even great if we can be put on the

[Speaker 6] (2:57:58 - 2:57:58)
I'll

[Speaker 5] (2:57:58 - 2:57:58)
8th

[Speaker 6] (2:57:58 - 2:57:58)
circulate it.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:58 - 2:58:01)
Well, it can't because it's wax should really weigh in on it, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:58:01 - 2:58:04)
I think I think we discuss it.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:04 - 2:58:05)
We can discuss it at that meeting.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:06 - 2:58:10)
Okay, on the eighth, so then it can come before us on the seventeenth and we can make a p policy decision

[Speaker 3] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:10 - 2:58:11)
on it. Great.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:11 - 2:58:13)
Do we need to talk about this again tonight? Do you think

[Speaker 5] (2:58:13 - 2:58:13)
No,

[Speaker 9] (2:58:13 - 2:58:14)
we have good marching orders?

[Speaker 5] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
let's move on.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:14 - 2:58:15)
Only little sarcastic.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:15 - 2:58:33)
Approval uh is everybody good to move on please? The approval of the minutes for March second, March eighteenth, m April eighth and April twenty-seventh, the reason these are not in the consent agenda is because you all were not here, so we cannot uh it'll be the three of us voting on it, not Wayne and Ted.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:33 - 2:58:33)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:33 - 2:58:34)
Great, that's why it was removed from the

[Speaker 3] (2:58:35 - 2:58:36)
They could vote on it if they want.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:36 - 2:58:38)
I don't think we can since

[Speaker 4] (2:58:38 - 2:58:40)
I don't think they can because they were not members of the board.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:40 - 2:58:41)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:41 - 2:58:42)
Okay. So just so you know, K.P.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:43 - 2:58:43)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:44 - 2:58:49)
Okay, well regardless, uh uh I'll take a motion to approve um

[Speaker 3] (2:58:49 - 2:58:49)
I approve.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:49 - 2:58:50)
those meeting minutes.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:51 - 2:58:51)
Motion to move.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:53 - 2:58:54)
Do you want a second?

[Speaker 4] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
We're in

[Speaker 1] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
back

[Speaker 3] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
to the large?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:54 - 2:58:55)
okay, all in favour?

[Speaker 3] (2:58:55 - 2:58:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:58:56 - 2:58:56)
28.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:56 - 2:58:57)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:57 - 2:58:59)
Would you all like to vote or would you like to abstain?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:59 - 2:59:00)
So are we um

[Speaker 5] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
I'm abstaining.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:00 - 2:59:02)
are you just gonna separate the ones that we

[Speaker 1] (2:59:02 - 2:59:03)
We are?

[Speaker 2] (2:59:03 - 2:59:03)
you guys vote

[Speaker 3] (2:59:03 - 2:59:03)
We

[Speaker 5] (2:59:03 - 2:59:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:03 - 2:59:03)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:59:03 - 2:59:03)
dare to

[Speaker 5] (2:59:03 - 2:59:04)
We dared,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04)
differ.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04)
that's what you just

[Speaker 5] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04)
said,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:04 - 2:59:05)
Yes, okay. we dared.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
That's

[Speaker 2] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
up

[Speaker 4] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
otherwise,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
to which

[Speaker 4] (2:59:05 - 2:59:06)
correct.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:06 - 2:59:06)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:59:06 - 2:59:07)
up to

[Speaker 4] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
Up

[Speaker 2] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
up

[Speaker 5] (2:59:07 - 2:59:08)
ladies day before. Wednesday before.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:08 - 2:59:11)
So March 2nd, March 18th, March April 8th

[Speaker 5] (2:59:11 - 2:59:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:11 - 2:59:13)
and April 27th, which you were not here for, you

[Speaker 4] (2:59:13 - 2:59:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:14 - 2:59:15)
can either abstain

[Speaker 4] (2:59:15 - 2:59:15)
Abstain.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:15 - 2:59:18)
or you can vote. Okay, so we have two abstain and three yay. That passes.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:18 - 2:59:19)
Is something right on that?

[Speaker 2] (2:59:19 - 2:59:21)
Not Wednesday, April twenty seventh, because

[Speaker 1] (2:59:21 - 2:59:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:22 - 2:59:23)
Tuesday, April twenty eighth is when we were elected.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:24 - 2:59:24)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:59:24 - 2:59:24)
Correct?

[Speaker 3] (2:59:24 - 2:59:26)
that's the wrong that's wrong.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:26 - 2:59:26)
Well we m

[Speaker 2] (2:59:27 - 2:59:28)
You are right. It was a Monday.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:28 - 2:59:29)
It was That a Monday,

[Speaker 6] (2:59:29 - 2:59:29)
should be

[Speaker 4] (2:59:29 - 2:59:29)
you

[Speaker 6] (2:59:29 - 2:59:29)
Monday

[Speaker 4] (2:59:29 - 2:59:29)
know.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:29 - 2:59:30)
It should be Monday

[Speaker 2] (2:59:30 - 2:59:30)
You're absolutely

[Speaker 3] (2:59:30 - 2:59:30)
the 27th.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:30 - 2:59:31)
right.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:31 - 2:59:31)
You catch.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:31 - 2:59:32)
That's administrative,

[Speaker 6] (2:59:32 - 2:59:32)
but

[Speaker 1] (2:59:32 - 2:59:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:33 - 2:59:33)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:33 - 2:59:33)
Okay, this this

[Speaker 4] (2:59:33 - 2:59:33)
is correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:33 - 2:59:34)
is a scrivener error.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:35 - 2:59:35)
Also correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:35 - 2:59:35)
that's what I meant.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:35 - 2:59:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:36 - 2:59:37)
Scrivener error.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:37 - 2:59:37)
Catch.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:37 - 2:59:41)
Alright, moving on to the um consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:41 - 2:59:44)
Are there any items on the consent agenda you wish to pull from the consent agenda?

[Speaker 3] (2:59:44 - 2:59:46)
All the liquor licenses I have some questions

[Speaker 1] (2:59:46 - 2:59:47)
All of them.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:48)
I mean, do we have can we

[Speaker 1] (2:59:48 - 2:59:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:48 - 2:59:48)
move on

[Speaker 1] (2:59:48 - 2:59:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:48 - 2:59:49)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:59:49 - 2:59:53)
All of the liquor licenses are being pulled, so items one through four are remaining on the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:53 - 2:59:54)
this on its agenda unless there are other

[Speaker 6] (2:59:54 - 2:59:58)
There is one set of minutes that I will just had a minor change to.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:59 - 3:00:01)
On the 6th of the 18th?

[Speaker 6] (3:00:01 - 3:00:01)
On the

[Speaker 6] (3:00:03 - 3:00:03)
Section.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:03 - 3:00:08)
Okay, so we'll pull the sex from the consents agenda and the motion will be the

[Speaker 6] (3:00:08 - 3:00:10)
I want credit for a question Wayne asked.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:10 - 3:00:13)
Uh April, I'm sorry, May eighteenth and items

[Speaker 6] (3:00:13 - 3:00:14)
It's way a while.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:14 - 3:00:17)
two through four is the consents agenda. Can I have a motion to approve?

[Speaker 4] (3:00:17 - 3:00:17)
Motion

[Speaker 6] (3:00:17 - 3:00:17)
So moved.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:17 - 3:00:17)
to approve.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:18 - 3:00:18)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:18 - 3:00:18)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:19 - 3:00:19)
All in favour?

[Speaker 4] (3:00:19 - 3:00:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:19 - 3:00:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:19 - 3:00:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:20 - 3:00:23)
Aye. Okay, so now we'll take the uh first the minutes.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:24 - 3:00:28)
Yeah, so the uh I just have it.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:29 - 3:00:36)
It said something like Ted Dooley asked a question that was actually a board question during election update. Ted Dooley asked for a breakdown of voter turnout by precinct.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:37 - 3:00:38)
I believe that was my colleague, Wayne, here.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:39 - 3:00:42)
I'd save you can search plug at the base of the hill suggesting if that was me.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:42 - 3:00:43)
Okay, so

[Speaker 2] (3:00:43 - 3:00:44)
I didn't catch that, I should have caught

[Speaker 1] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44)
we

[Speaker 2] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44)
that.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:44 - 3:00:51)
I will take a motion to Oh. approve the minutes as amended with Wayne as the commentator and not Ted for

[Speaker 3] (3:00:51 - 3:00:52)
Someone

[Speaker 1] (3:00:52 - 3:00:52)
that one.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:52 - 3:00:53)
to second.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:54 - 3:00:54)
Bye.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
All done.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:55 - 3:00:57)
Wait, which were which were you saying, Ted? In which line?

[Speaker 1] (3:00:58 - 3:00:59)
I'll take credit for it.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:59 - 3:01:00)
Do we wanna just Oh, move these Oh, tables?

[Speaker 2] (3:01:00 - 3:01:01)
way up there.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:01 - 3:01:01)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:01 - 3:01:01)
I'll finish it.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:01 - 3:01:01)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:01 - 3:01:02)
Finish it.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:02 - 3:01:02)
Done.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:02 - 3:01:02)
Done.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:03 - 3:01:03)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:03 - 3:01:05)
It's not that late compared to other meetings.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:05 - 3:01:05)
Well the next one.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:06 - 3:01:06)
What did he say?

[Speaker 6] (3:01:06 - 3:01:07)
You asked

[Speaker 1] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
Not that

[Speaker 6] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
for

[Speaker 1] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
way,

[Speaker 6] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
a breakdown

[Speaker 1] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
the

[Speaker 6] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
of

[Speaker 1] (3:01:07 - 3:01:08)
other meeting.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:08 - 3:01:08)
voter turnout by precinct.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:08 - 3:01:09)
I want it

[Speaker 4] (3:01:09 - 3:01:09)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:09 - 3:01:09)
to be.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:09 - 3:01:09)
I did.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:09 - 3:01:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:10 - 3:01:10)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:10 - 3:01:10)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:01:10 - 3:01:10)
So we

[Speaker 4] (3:01:10 - 3:01:11)
it's not that late.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:11 - 3:01:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:12 - 3:01:19)
will amend the meetings to reflect that that was said by Wayne and not Ted, and Mary Ellen just made the motion to approve Danielle in fact. All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (3:01:19 - 3:01:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:20 - 3:01:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:20 - 3:01:23)
Aye, great. Moving on to the liquor licenses. Mary Ellen, please.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:23 - 3:01:26)
So my question is, one,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:27 - 3:01:31)
what is the town's liability in the event people are

[Speaker 3] (3:01:32 - 3:01:39)
purchasing liquor on on property and something happens what how are we covered there

[Speaker 1] (3:01:40 - 3:01:40)
We

[Speaker 4] (3:01:40 - 3:01:40)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:01:40 - 3:01:40)
have

[Speaker 4] (3:01:40 - 3:01:45)
believe we require them to hold their own insurance with us as additionally insured.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:46 - 3:01:48)
the provider of the alcohol.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:48 - 3:01:48)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:48 - 3:01:50)
They have liquor liability insurance.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:50 - 3:01:51)
And we

[Speaker 2] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51)
Is are Richard

[Speaker 4] (3:01:51 - 3:01:51)
named

[Speaker 2] (3:01:51 - 3:01:52)
um

[Speaker 4] (3:01:52 - 3:01:53)
as additionally insured.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:53 - 3:01:59)
From my experience running Oktoberfest the last six years it's always been we pull the insurance.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:00 - 3:02:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:00 - 3:02:02)
And have the town as a

[Speaker 7] (3:02:02 - 3:02:02)
Listed,

[Speaker 6] (3:02:02 - 3:02:03)
co-insurer

[Speaker 7] (3:02:03 - 3:02:03)
insured.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:03 - 3:02:04)
Yep, great.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:04 - 3:02:05)
for a specific

[Speaker 1] (3:02:05 - 3:02:05)
I concur.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:05 - 3:02:06)
dollar amount.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:06 - 3:02:10)
Okay, so second question I have is on the third of July,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:10 - 3:02:18)
because is it, are we only having one liquor license on the third of July, and what, how much are we getting,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:18 - 3:02:22)
how much do we charge, are we only charging $50 for that?

[Speaker 7] (3:02:22 - 3:02:23)
That's a good question.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:24 - 3:02:24)
Uh

[Speaker 3] (3:02:24 - 3:02:24)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:26 - 3:02:36)
I would I want to confirm with Charlotte that I know that in the past the distributors who sell on the fourth help fund a portion of the entertainment

[Speaker 8] (3:02:36 - 3:02:37)
historically that

[Speaker 4] (3:02:37 - 3:02:37)
correct

[Speaker 8] (3:02:37 - 3:02:38)
they did it they

[Speaker 3] (3:02:38 - 3:02:38)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (3:02:38 - 3:02:38)
paid

[Speaker 3] (3:02:38 - 3:02:39)
but is that happening?

[Speaker 8] (3:02:39 - 3:02:40)
for whatever but we

[Speaker 4] (3:02:40 - 3:02:44)
Yeah no that is happening I want to get the actual numbers for you so that I'm not just

[Speaker 4] (3:02:44 - 3:02:47)
pulling those off the top of my head. That is that is

[Speaker 1] (3:02:48 - 3:02:48)
Still happy

[Speaker 4] (3:02:48 - 3:02:48)
the

[Speaker 1] (3:02:48 - 3:02:49)
to mean hear, but

[Speaker 4] (3:02:49 - 3:02:49)
it's

[Speaker 1] (3:02:49 - 3:02:49)
you won't.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:49 - 3:02:55)
the main reason that we even offer it at this point because they help to defray the cost of the entertainment for the day if not cover

[Speaker 3] (3:02:55 - 3:02:56)
Oh, we

[Speaker 4] (3:02:56 - 3:02:56)
it know, completely.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:56 - 3:02:58)
but the historically,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:58 - 3:02:59)
previously,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:59 - 3:03:01)
prior to the current recreation director,

[Speaker 3] (3:03:01 - 3:03:12)
I had questions about the funding mechanism and were we getting enough in return for what was happening. Because it used to be a, they pay for the band and, you know,

[Speaker 3] (3:03:12 - 3:03:13)
it was kind of a.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:13 - 3:03:18)
a real gray area of how much we're getting exactly. Are we capitalizing, making

[Speaker 2] (3:03:18 - 3:03:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:18 - 3:03:20)
as much as we can. So that's kind of, I think.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:20 - 3:03:22)
Charlotte has told me the number. I don't want to misquote it.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:22 - 3:03:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:23 - 3:03:25)
I can circulate it to the group and happy

[Speaker 3] (3:03:25 - 3:03:25)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:03:25 - 3:03:26)
to think discuss when it Charlotte directly.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:26 - 3:03:28)
took over she handled it differently than the

[Speaker 3] (3:03:29 - 3:03:29)
prior,

[Speaker 4] (3:03:29 - 3:03:30)
We actually

[Speaker 3] (3:03:30 - 3:03:30)
my

[Speaker 4] (3:03:30 - 3:03:31)
talked about this

[Speaker 3] (3:03:31 - 3:03:31)
understanding.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:31 - 3:03:32)
specifically, and

[Speaker 6] (3:03:32 - 3:03:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:32 - 3:03:35)
not what do they pay us. I was asking like

[Speaker 3] (3:03:35 - 3:03:36)
Financially?

[Speaker 4] (3:03:36 - 3:03:36)
what

[Speaker 6] (3:03:36 - 3:03:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:36 - 3:03:42)
is the actual relationship because it seems like an opportunity that, similar when I was talking about um

[Speaker 4] (3:03:43 - 3:03:44)
food service or food trucks

[Speaker 1] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
We should

[Speaker 4] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
go

[Speaker 4] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
don't

[Speaker 1] (3:03:44 - 3:03:45)
out for

[Speaker 4] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45)
pay that

[Speaker 1] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45)
a

[Speaker 4] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45)
something

[Speaker 1] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45)
permit

[Speaker 4] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45)
we should be getting

[Speaker 1] (3:03:45 - 3:03:46)
or

[Speaker 4] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
out.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
a bid.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:47 - 3:03:51)
Uh so I I don't I can't answer you with the exact number because I don't want to be misquoted.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:51 - 3:03:55)
She's definitely done something differently. I know that. I can say that, but I don't know how much either.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:56 - 3:04:00)
Oh, so my the other question I have is a concern I have is the Humphrey Street block party.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:00 - 3:04:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:01 - 3:04:10)
I am not in favour of having an outside vendor come to the Humphrey Street block party for a couple reasons. We have a number of restaurants

[Speaker 1] (3:04:10 - 3:04:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:10 - 3:04:25)
that have you know alcohol and they pay a lot of money for property taxes and this is a small area so I guess I don't understand why we have to bring in a vendor who's only gonna pay a a smaller amount when you have now we have

[Speaker 1] (3:04:25 - 3:04:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:25 - 3:04:31)
the um Swampscott Performing Arts we have G we have

[Speaker 1] (3:04:31 - 3:04:31)
Dockside.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:31 - 3:04:42)
Avelino we have Dockside you know we have we have people the people that can can provide this and it benefits them so I don't want to take anything away from them

[Speaker 1] (3:04:42 - 3:04:47)
Having attended last year, I will say that the addition of there were actually

[Speaker 1] (3:04:48 - 3:05:02)
three liquor additional beer providers at the end of the street by Fisherman's Beach and basically it became it was a beer area and it was roped off and it basically became like

[Speaker 1] (3:05:02 - 3:05:12)
sort of a hop around situation. I saw people having a beer at Café Avellino and then moving on to Dockside and then moving on to East Regiment. You couldn't carry it with

[Speaker 6] (3:05:12 - 3:05:12)
There

[Speaker 1] (3:05:12 - 3:05:12)
you,

[Speaker 6] (3:05:12 - 3:05:12)
is an you ABCC

[Speaker 1] (3:05:12 - 3:05:13)
had to

[Speaker 6] (3:05:13 - 3:05:14)
reg that they're not allowed to go

[Speaker 6] (3:05:15 - 3:05:16)
from establishment to establishment

[Speaker 1] (3:05:16 - 3:05:16)
no.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:16 - 3:05:17)
with beer, right?

[Speaker 1] (3:05:17 - 3:05:17)
Right,

[Speaker 9] (3:05:17 - 3:05:18)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
So you

[Speaker 9] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
it is

[Speaker 1] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
couldn't carry

[Speaker 9] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
illegal.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
it

[Speaker 9] (3:05:18 - 3:05:18)
Property

[Speaker 1] (3:05:18 - 3:05:21)
with you, but you could have a drink and then you could go to the next spot and have a drink.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:21 - 3:05:22)
Or go out, go get a And sandwich,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:22 - 3:05:23)
so I don't

[Speaker 6] (3:05:23 - 3:05:23)
something.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:23 - 3:05:27)
think there was an and the amount of people that were involved the all

[Speaker 9] (3:05:27 - 3:05:27)
Dockside

[Speaker 1] (3:05:27 - 3:05:27)
the people it

[Speaker 9] (3:05:27 - 3:05:28)
was slammed.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:28 - 3:05:29)
was slammed.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:30 - 3:05:31)
So I would

[Speaker 3] (3:05:31 - 3:05:32)
I will start.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:32 - 3:05:36)
say nobody lost out on business last year by having a beer vendor at the end of the street.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:36 - 3:05:41)
I would say the opposite quite frankly. It brought more people in to enjoy all different.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:42 - 3:05:52)
food and beer vendors and people were attending multiple establishments. So I actually think the opposite is true and it brought more people to enjoy the block party.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:52 - 3:05:52)
But

[Speaker 4] (3:05:52 - 3:05:57)
Is there is there a rule that we could charge more for a particular event?

[Speaker 4] (3:05:57 - 3:06:03)
Is that within our purview to make it competitive if there's such a draw?

[Speaker 10] (3:06:04 - 3:06:05)
We can charge whatever we want.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:05 - 3:06:07)
I don't I didn't know what what we what's

[Speaker 10] (3:06:07 - 3:06:07)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (3:06:07 - 3:06:13)
in our know. control just that I'm not saying that I'm not advocating for that I'm saying is that in our control or not okay

[Speaker 10] (3:06:13 - 3:06:13)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:13 - 3:06:19)
I think my question is like you're saying that it didn't affect, you know, G or dockside didn't affect their business,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:19 - 3:06:23)
but, you know, I question that, you know, is that is that their opinion that

[Speaker 4] (3:06:23 - 3:06:23)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:23 - 3:06:31)
it didn't affect their business? I mean, would G or dockside put out an additional tent in front of their place or in the Swamp Scout Performing Arts? I mean.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:32 - 3:06:33)
But they have the opportunity to do so.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:34 - 3:06:35)
Nope. There was Or last

[Speaker 3] (3:06:35 - 3:06:35)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:35 - 3:06:36)
you're saying like another

[Speaker 1] (3:06:36 - 3:06:36)
year

[Speaker 10] (3:06:36 - 3:06:36)
spot.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:36 - 3:06:36)
Marcy went

[Speaker 10] (3:06:36 - 3:06:37)
Maybe like in satellite.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:37 - 3:06:41)
around and advocated and spoke individually to every single business owner

[Speaker 10] (3:06:41 - 3:06:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:42 - 3:06:46)
to encourage them on additional ideas on what they could do to make more money that day.

[Speaker 10] (3:06:46 - 3:06:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:46 - 3:06:47)
So it wasn't just like,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:47 - 3:06:53)
hey, have people come in. She encouraged Volo to come out with slices. We don't do slices. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:53 - 3:06:57)
But like there were so many people that you could sell Italian sodas or whatever,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:58 - 3:06:59)
like any way that they could.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:59 - 3:07:02)
could try to make additional funds by that block party. That was the

[Speaker 10] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
They

[Speaker 1] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
purpose

[Speaker 10] (3:07:02 - 3:07:03)
were given

[Speaker 1] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
of

[Speaker 10] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
the block

[Speaker 10] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
opportunity.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:03 - 3:07:05)
party. They were given that opportunity.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:05 - 3:07:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:05 - 3:07:14)
And I think Marzi worked very carefully to ensure that they even thought outside the box and didn't limit themselves so that they could financially have a stake in what was going on.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:14 - 3:07:21)
But does it make sense for us to revisit at this point and say, you know, we're considering having a beer vendor.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:21 - 3:07:27)
Would you prefer, you know, putting a satellite beer cart or something from your establishment?

[Speaker 10] (3:07:27 - 3:07:30)
I don't know if their liquor license would even allow for that.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:30 - 3:07:31)
They'd have to obtain a one

[Speaker 3] (3:07:31 - 3:07:31)
They

[Speaker 1] (3:07:31 - 3:07:31)
-day

[Speaker 3] (3:07:31 - 3:07:32)
have to get

[Speaker 1] (3:07:32 - 3:07:32)
liquor

[Speaker 3] (3:07:32 - 3:07:32)
a one

[Speaker 1] (3:07:32 - 3:07:32)
license.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:32 - 3:07:33)
day liquor

[Speaker 1] (3:07:33 - 3:07:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:33 - 3:07:33)
license.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:33 - 3:07:39)
Or would we does it make sense for us to revisit that and offer that up to them again before we approve this

[Speaker 4] (3:07:39 - 3:07:40)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (3:07:40 - 3:07:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:40 - 3:07:50)
I take to Mary Ellen's point where it's, you know, do you have an outside vendor that's not a current paying permitted establishment,

[Speaker 4] (3:07:50 - 3:07:51)
right,

[Speaker 4] (3:07:51 - 3:07:55)
to be able to come in for $50 and sell a couple thousand dollars worth of beer?

[Speaker 4] (3:07:55 - 3:07:59)
that we'd be then taking a couple thousand dollars away of income from our

[Speaker 3] (3:07:59 - 3:07:59)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:59 - 3:08:00)
established businesses on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:00 - 3:08:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:00 - 3:08:05)
So I take to that point, which is kind of why I was going if you if you raise the bar a little higher,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:05 - 3:08:06)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:06 - 3:08:06)
now everyone's

[Speaker 3] (3:08:06 - 3:08:07)
You're putting it a premium.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:07 - 3:08:10)
pay paying everyone's kind of on a somewhat of a level

[Speaker 4] (3:08:10 - 3:08:11)
playing field.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:11 - 3:08:16)
Well I think we first have to find out the numbers, right? We have to understand what it is p they're paying,

[Speaker 10] (3:08:16 - 3:08:17)
what how what is the financial arrangement.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:18 - 3:08:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:18 - 3:08:29)
So we know if it's beneficial or not. And then maybe we revisit with the existing, do you want to have d do you wanna get a one day liquor licence to put a satellite location dockside or wherever at Fisherman's Beach? Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:30 - 3:08:30)
There also

[Speaker 3] (3:08:30 - 3:08:31)
But in this year in particular,

[Speaker 4] (3:08:31 - 3:08:31)
But you can't.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:31 - 3:08:35)
I think it'll be interesting because it's it's on a Sunday versus I mean last year

[Speaker 1] (3:08:35 - 3:08:35)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:35 - 3:08:35)
it was on a

[Speaker 1] (3:08:35 - 3:08:35)
Which

[Speaker 3] (3:08:35 - 3:08:35)
Saturday.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:35 - 3:08:39)
I'm glad because I really hated that the the businesses,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:39 - 3:08:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:41)
you know, were affected

[Speaker 4] (3:08:41 - 3:08:41)
Take

[Speaker 1] (3:08:41 - 3:08:41)
by

[Speaker 4] (3:08:41 - 3:08:42)
a hit.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:42 - 3:08:43)
closure from

[Speaker 3] (3:08:43 - 3:08:43)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:43 - 3:08:44)
Saturday. So that's

[Speaker 3] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
And then, you

[Speaker 1] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
that's

[Speaker 3] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
know, the

[Speaker 1] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
great.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:44 - 3:08:46)
issue with church parking as well.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:46 - 3:08:47)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:08:47 - 3:08:47)
There's

[Speaker 3] (3:08:47 - 3:08:48)
I think there are a couple couple

[Speaker 2] (3:08:48 - 3:08:50)
there's also legislation pending in the Statehouse now that kind of

[Speaker 2] (3:08:50 - 3:09:05)
that kind of alters um uh A_V_C_C_ regulations on I would say public drinking. It's not public drinking, it's All right. called social consum social consumption drinking areas that municipalities are potentially allowed to approve for the summer only

[Speaker 5] (3:09:05 - 3:09:05)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:05 - 3:09:09)
um where this kind of if it does happen, this area is

[Speaker 2] (3:09:10 - 3:09:18)
Something we could consider on this one day um that would alleviate some of this conversation. But again, Pending in the state

[Speaker 6] (3:09:18 - 3:09:18)
So I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:09:18 - 3:09:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19)
house.

[Speaker 7] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19)
But

[Speaker 6] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19)
think it's

[Speaker 7] (3:09:19 - 3:09:19)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:09:19 - 3:09:31)
The timing the timing of this the timing of this might be a little bit too late for this year to I mean we are looking we're in the first week of June, you know, if I'm this vendor I'd have to say look you got to let me know. Oh well this is in Right, August,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:31 - 3:09:31)
wasn't

[Speaker 1] (3:09:31 - 3:09:31)
this is August so

[Speaker 2] (3:09:31 - 3:09:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:32 - 3:09:33)
that we're okay with this.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:34 - 3:09:34)
But I mean this I'm is

[Speaker 1] (3:09:34 - 3:09:34)
thinking

[Speaker 3] (3:09:34 - 3:09:35)
a But it's point

[Speaker 1] (3:09:35 - 3:09:35)
Fourth of July.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:35 - 3:09:37)
of the movie nights, the concert nights,

[Speaker 3] (3:09:37 - 3:09:37)
we have

[Speaker 1] (3:09:37 - 3:09:37)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:37 - 3:09:38)
outside vendors.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:38 - 3:09:39)
vendors coming in,

[Speaker 3] (3:09:39 - 3:09:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:39 - 3:09:44)
right? We're not offering a you know and dockside doesn't have a stand it on the lawn or anything

[Speaker 3] (3:09:44 - 3:09:45)
Well maybe they want.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:45 - 3:09:45)
Not yet.

[Speaker 8] (3:09:45 - 3:09:48)
But I mean the block the block party drew thousands of people.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:48 - 3:09:49)
That was

[Speaker 9] (3:09:49 - 3:09:49)
definitely Right, I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:09:49 - 3:09:49)
that

[Speaker 9] (3:09:49 - 3:09:49)
just

[Speaker 8] (3:09:49 - 3:09:50)
So this I is

[Speaker 9] (3:09:50 - 3:09:51)
just think for that particular one,

[Speaker 8] (3:09:51 - 3:09:51)
specific.

[Speaker 9] (3:09:51 - 3:09:53)
it's the more the merrier. It was it was

[Speaker 9] (3:09:53 - 3:09:59)
incredible amount of people that came out. They were there an awful long time. You couldn't get a seat at Dockside if you wanted. So

[Speaker 3] (3:09:59 - 3:09:59)
it No.

[Speaker 9] (3:09:59 - 3:10:13)
was nice to be able to go somewhere and grab a beverage. It was really hot last year and you could you know go to the tent and grab a drink, enjoy a beverage, and then leave. And so it's it kept people there when businesses couldn't handle the

[Speaker 8] (3:10:13 - 3:10:13)
On a

[Speaker 9] (3:10:13 - 3:10:13)
level of

[Speaker 1] (3:10:13 - 3:10:21)
And it might makes sense to have, you know, to talk to Charlotte because she ran it last year with, you know, no notice. I mean she jumped in and put it together.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:21 - 3:10:21)
or

[Speaker 9] (3:10:21 - 3:10:22)
And

[Speaker 3] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22)
any

[Speaker 1] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22)
all

[Speaker 9] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22)
an organization.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22)
of

[Speaker 1] (3:10:22 - 3:10:22)
I would also

[Speaker 3] (3:10:22 - 3:10:23)
us married,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:23 - 3:10:23)
I would, I would

[Speaker 3] (3:10:23 - 3:10:24)
maybe also they asked

[Speaker 1] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24)
like, right.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:24 - 3:10:24)
her.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:24 - 3:10:28)
I would also like some type of input from Greg at G,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:28 - 3:10:29)
I mean from.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:29 - 3:10:29)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:29 - 3:10:31)
Greg didn't participate last year

[Speaker 3] (3:10:31 - 3:10:32)
He didn't. No.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:32 - 3:10:35)
in the, not in the block party. He was not, he wasn't

[Speaker 3] (3:10:35 - 3:10:35)
No.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:35 - 3:10:35)
open.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:36 - 3:10:37)
Dockside did.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:37 - 3:10:39)
And it's hard because they also, they're open for dinner,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:39 - 3:10:39)
Nordhaven

[Speaker 9] (3:10:39 - 3:10:40)
so it's open during

[Speaker 1] (3:10:40 - 3:10:40)
did.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:40 - 3:10:40)
the day.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:40 - 3:10:41)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:41 - 3:10:46)
So it was difficult for them to be open. The same thing with Nordhaven. They open up for dinner and so they open up by four,

[Speaker 9] (3:10:46 - 3:10:48)
so they're doing food prep and stuff.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:48 - 3:10:51)
They don't have time necessarily to coordinate. Although they weren't open because

[Speaker 2] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51)
They

[Speaker 9] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51)
they did

[Speaker 2] (3:10:51 - 3:10:52)
did have do something.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:52 - 3:10:53)
in, they had like a

[Speaker 1] (3:10:53 - 3:10:53)
Nordhaven

[Speaker 9] (3:10:53 - 3:10:54)
pad

[Speaker 1] (3:10:54 - 3:10:54)
had

[Speaker 9] (3:10:54 - 3:10:54)
thai

[Speaker 1] (3:10:54 - 3:10:54)
a

[Speaker 2] (3:10:54 - 3:10:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:54 - 3:10:55)
and dim sum

[Speaker 1] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55)
cart.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:55 - 3:10:56)
by in the cart.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:56 - 3:10:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:10:56 - 3:10:58)
Yeah, they moved their things

[Speaker 8] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58)
Do

[Speaker 9] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58)
over.

[Speaker 8] (3:10:58 - 3:11:02)
you think after seeing the success of last year that

[Speaker 2] (3:11:02 - 3:11:03)
that they would be influenced differently

[Speaker 3] (3:11:03 - 3:11:04)
You

[Speaker 2] (3:11:04 - 3:11:04)
than

[Speaker 3] (3:11:04 - 3:11:04)
might.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:04 - 3:11:04)
maybe what

[Speaker 3] (3:11:04 - 3:11:05)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:05 - 3:11:05)
he didn't

[Speaker 3] (3:11:05 - 3:11:05)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:11:05 - 3:11:05)
have an

[Speaker 3] (3:11:05 - 3:11:05)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:11:05 - 3:11:06)
expectation last year.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:06 - 3:11:10)
I totally do but I also think that that doesn't mean we shouldn't approve each regimen.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:10 - 3:11:11)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:11 - 3:11:20)
I think there is there's plenty to be had here and there's no reason to limit this particular vendor with everybody else that's still attending and everybody who will continue to attend and

[Speaker 3] (3:11:20 - 3:11:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:20 - 3:11:22)
I hope everyone participates ultimately.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:22 - 3:11:25)
Yeah. It was it's a lot of fun and it was a great event last year.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
So

[Speaker 8] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
If you

[Speaker 2] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
On

[Speaker 9] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
that's

[Speaker 2] (3:11:26 - 3:11:27)
have a busy day,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:27 - 3:11:28)
there's value to,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:28 - 3:11:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:28 - 3:11:34)
I'm not a restaurant owner, so I'll preface it, obviously, there's value to someone else being down the street if you've got a bar with ten people deep,

[Speaker 9] (3:11:34 - 3:11:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:34 - 3:11:34)
having

[Speaker 3] (3:11:34 - 3:11:35)
Yeah, that's true.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:35 - 3:11:38)
them say, I'm just gonna go down the street rather than clog up your restaurant and

[Speaker 3] (3:11:38 - 3:11:38)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:38 - 3:11:38)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:38 - 3:11:39)
worry

[Speaker 9] (3:11:39 - 3:11:39)
I mean I

[Speaker 2] (3:11:39 - 3:11:39)
about

[Speaker 9] (3:11:39 - 3:11:39)
agree

[Speaker 2] (3:11:39 - 3:11:39)
that

[Speaker 9] (3:11:39 - 3:11:40)
because

[Speaker 2] (3:11:40 - 3:11:40)
distribution.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:40 - 3:11:54)
that we have heard from Dockside or other when, you know, when the bakery was here about how the food trucks at the Hawthorne are a problem because it was going to be on a rotation but being like a one-time event like this I think

[Speaker 9] (3:11:54 - 3:11:55)
it's more of a a

[Speaker 3] (3:11:55 - 3:11:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:11:55 - 3:11:59)
boom than it is, you know, consistently battling something.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:59 - 3:11:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:59 - 3:11:59)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:59 - 3:12:00)
My dad

[Speaker 2] (3:12:00 - 3:12:00)
exactly.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:00 - 3:12:01)
said it was busy last year.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:01 - 3:12:02)
Yeah. At

[Speaker 3] (3:12:02 - 3:12:02)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:02 - 3:12:03)
least Cafe Abolino was

[Speaker 2] (3:12:03 - 3:12:03)
Cafe

[Speaker 9] (3:12:03 - 3:12:03)
busy last

[Speaker 2] (3:12:03 - 3:12:04)
Abolino

[Speaker 9] (3:12:04 - 3:12:04)
year.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:04 - 3:12:04)
was mocked.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:04 - 3:12:05)
Couldn't get a

[Speaker 2] (3:12:05 - 3:12:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:06 - 3:12:07)
So it's nice to have somewhere else to go.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:07 - 3:12:13)
And they haven't come back and said anything like, hey, you know, can we not do this or

[Speaker 3] (3:12:14 - 3:12:15)
We have not heard anything.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:15 - 3:12:15)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:16 - 3:12:16)
The result.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:16 - 3:12:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:18 - 3:12:19)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:19 - 3:12:19)
What's a date?

[Speaker 9] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20)
The

[Speaker 2] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20)
Why

[Speaker 9] (3:12:20 - 3:12:20)
date.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:20 - 3:12:21)
not 9?

[Speaker 9] (3:12:21 - 3:12:21)
Uh the 9th, but

[Speaker 2] (3:12:21 - 3:12:22)
August

[Speaker 9] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
it can't

[Speaker 2] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
9th.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:22 - 3:12:23)
s not starting at eleven, right?

[Speaker 3] (3:12:24 - 3:12:25)
I thought it was eleven to five.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:25 - 3:12:27)
So mass is at ten-thirty.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:28 - 3:12:29)
Oh, that's right, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:29 - 3:12:30)
Somebody's gonna tell

[Speaker 3] (3:12:30 - 3:12:30)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:30 - 3:12:30)
them that.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:30 - 3:12:31)
it'll be up well well

[Speaker 9] (3:12:31 - 3:12:32)
So it needs to start at twelve.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:32 - 3:12:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (3:12:34 - 3:12:34)
Or

[Speaker 10] (3:12:34 - 3:12:35)
I don't know, 1145,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:35 - 3:12:36)
Yeah, because you're not gonna have

[Speaker 10] (3:12:36 - 3:12:36)
so you're

[Speaker 1] (3:12:36 - 3:12:36)
the wharf

[Speaker 10] (3:12:36 - 3:12:36)
not going to have

[Speaker 1] (3:12:36 - 3:12:36)
you're

[Speaker 10] (3:12:36 - 3:12:36)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:12:36 - 3:12:36)
not gonna

[Speaker 10] (3:12:36 - 3:12:37)
parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:37 - 3:12:38)
have the Hawthorne parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:38 - 3:12:38)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:38 - 3:12:39)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:39 - 3:12:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:12:39 - 3:12:40)
People will have to be getting out of that

[Speaker 3] (3:12:40 - 3:12:40)
We'll

[Speaker 10] (3:12:40 - 3:12:40)
parking.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:40 - 3:12:41)
make sure that

[Speaker 8] (3:12:41 - 3:12:42)
Yeah, vendors I was a vendor last year.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:42 - 3:12:43)
So we can share

[Speaker 1] (3:12:43 - 3:12:43)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (3:12:43 - 3:12:43)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:12:43 - 3:12:43)
later.

[Speaker 8] (3:12:43 - 3:12:44)
it getting

[Speaker 1] (3:12:44 - 3:12:44)
That was

[Speaker 8] (3:12:44 - 3:12:44)
set

[Speaker 1] (3:12:44 - 3:12:44)
a staging

[Speaker 8] (3:12:44 - 3:12:45)
up getting

[Speaker 1] (3:12:45 - 3:12:45)
area

[Speaker 8] (3:12:45 - 3:12:45)
set

[Speaker 1] (3:12:45 - 3:12:45)
for

[Speaker 8] (3:12:45 - 3:12:48)
up was a little chaotic and we can

[Speaker 1] (3:12:48 - 3:12:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:12:49 - 3:12:50)
That's

[Speaker 8] (3:12:50 - 3:12:51)
A good

[Speaker 2] (3:12:51 - 3:12:51)
It just was.

[Speaker 8] (3:12:51 - 3:12:51)
it's

[Speaker 2] (3:12:51 - 3:12:54)
It Using was the first time. using the Hawthorne parking lot for that it it

[Speaker 3] (3:12:54 - 3:12:54)
The stadium.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:54 - 3:12:57)
was closed beyond right? It's closed.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:57 - 3:12:58)
That's within the closed area,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:58 - 3:12:59)
isn't it?

[Speaker 1] (3:12:59 - 3:12:59)
It is.

[Speaker 8] (3:12:59 - 3:12:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:59 - 3:13:00)
We need it.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:00 - 3:13:04)
So we I so for staging they may be willing to do that because they're not going to have customers pulling into park.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:05 - 3:13:06)
You can't get there.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:07 - 3:13:11)
So they might be willing to work with us on the use of the lot to support the event,

[Speaker 2] (3:13:11 - 3:13:16)
because they're not going to have customers driving and parking there. The customers will be walking to that

[Speaker 1] (3:13:16 - 3:13:16)
They

[Speaker 2] (3:13:16 - 3:13:16)
area.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:16 - 3:13:18)
might be they might be putting a lot of stuff outdoors.

[Speaker 8] (3:13:19 - 3:13:20)
Yeah, I'm just saying

[Speaker 2] (3:13:20 - 3:13:22)
I'm just saying it's a discussion that we can have to try to support the event.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:22 - 3:13:24)
It's gonna be tight with mass.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:24 - 3:13:24)
That's gonna be

[Speaker 3] (3:13:24 - 3:13:25)
Also,

[Speaker 8] (3:13:25 - 3:13:25)
We'll let we'll

[Speaker 3] (3:13:25 - 3:13:26)
if let if

[Speaker 8] (3:13:26 - 3:13:26)
Charlotte

[Speaker 3] (3:13:26 - 3:13:26)
you don't put want that to

[Speaker 8] (3:13:26 - 3:13:26)
that out,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:26 - 3:13:27)
be then

[Speaker 8] (3:13:27 - 3:13:27)
but that was just something to

[Speaker 3] (3:13:27 - 3:13:27)
you're gonna

[Speaker 8] (3:13:27 - 3:13:28)
think about

[Speaker 3] (3:13:28 - 3:13:28)
like Steve Lockett

[Speaker 2] (3:13:28 - 3:13:32)
So if we can just get back to the topic.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:33 - 3:13:49)
Do we want to p pull this one out or support it now and then we can also answer these questions for you. We can have Charlotte come to talk about where we are in planning and everything, but I just wanna make sure where we were was Mary Ellen had pulled this out in and had thoughts about what to do with it. I just wanna make sure we

[Speaker 3] (3:13:49 - 3:13:50)
It's great.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:50 - 3:13:52)
answer that before the end of the the night.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:52 - 3:13:59)
Right, well on Pride it's it's too late to too late to to change anything on that. I wouldn't wanna really do that.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:59 - 3:14:01)
And then on the fireworks, that's

[Speaker 1] (3:14:02 - 3:14:17)
You know, that's right around the corner. So I think getting an update, an update, c you know, some clarity on what's really happening is fine with me because maybe in the future we weren't going to say look, we're not getting enough revenue on on our

[Speaker 8] (3:14:17 - 3:14:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:17 - 3:14:18)
end here.

[Speaker 8] (3:14:18 - 3:14:19)
H how much

[Speaker 3] (3:14:19 - 3:14:19)
Just

[Speaker 8] (3:14:19 - 3:14:19)
how

[Speaker 3] (3:14:19 - 3:14:19)
for clarification,

[Speaker 8] (3:14:19 - 3:14:19)
many?

[Speaker 3] (3:14:19 - 3:14:20)
if you

[Speaker 3] (3:14:20 - 3:14:25)
I'm sorry, I just heard from um um Charlotte, and it's actually the hours will be from three to seven.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:26 - 3:14:26)
For

[Speaker 1] (3:14:26 - 3:14:26)
What?

[Speaker 9] (3:14:26 - 3:14:27)
the block party to seven? For

[Speaker 3] (3:14:27 - 3:14:27)
Three

[Speaker 9] (3:14:27 - 3:14:27)
the block

[Speaker 3] (3:14:27 - 3:14:27)
seven

[Speaker 9] (3:14:27 - 3:14:27)
party?

[Speaker 3] (3:14:27 - 3:14:28)
for the block

[Speaker 11] (3:14:28 - 3:14:29)
I party. like short block parties.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:29 - 3:14:29)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:29 - 3:14:29)
Three

[Speaker 1] (3:14:29 - 3:14:29)
that's

[Speaker 3] (3:14:29 - 3:14:29)
to seven?

[Speaker 1] (3:14:29 - 3:14:30)
that's totally different.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:30 - 3:14:31)
Three to seven.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:31 - 3:14:32)
We have eleven to five here.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:35 - 3:14:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:36 - 3:14:38)
So we can just pull that one out for today.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:40 - 3:14:41)
That's a good idea, Nick.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:41 - 3:14:42)
I think

[Speaker 9] (3:14:42 - 3:14:42)
Also,

[Speaker 11] (3:14:42 - 3:14:42)
we'll

[Speaker 9] (3:14:42 - 3:14:42)
I think there

[Speaker 11] (3:14:42 - 3:14:43)
bring are it back multiple in a second.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:43 - 3:14:44)
vendors for the fireworks.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:44 - 3:14:46)
Did Charlotte text you, Marcy?

[Speaker 1] (3:14:46 - 3:14:47)
What'd she say?

[Speaker 3] (3:14:47 - 3:14:49)
Yes, she just texted me, but she only texted about probably

[Speaker 9] (3:14:49 - 3:14:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:49 - 3:14:49)
at the block party.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:49 - 3:14:51)
I think there are multiple firework vendors.

[Speaker 9] (3:14:52 - 3:14:54)
This is East Regiment is not the only liquor

[Speaker 3] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54)
You need

[Speaker 9] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54)
license.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:54 - 3:14:55)
multiple beer vendors.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:55 - 3:14:55)
There

[Speaker 9] (3:14:55 - 3:14:55)
Beer

[Speaker 11] (3:14:55 - 3:14:55)
were some

[Speaker 9] (3:14:55 - 3:14:56)
vendors.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:56 - 3:14:59)
that were provided to the administrator's office today that

[Speaker 9] (3:14:59 - 3:15:00)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:00 - 3:15:01)
That didn't make it on

[Speaker 11] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01)
were

[Speaker 1] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01)
here.

[Speaker 11] (3:15:01 - 3:15:01)
late.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:02 - 3:15:03)
Maybe we can add them to the You 8th.

[Speaker 11] (3:15:03 - 3:15:03)
will add them.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:03 - 3:15:04)
You Oh, can add

[Speaker 11] (3:15:04 - 3:15:04)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:15:04 - 3:15:04)
them in is. on Monday.

[Speaker 11] (3:15:04 - 3:15:05)
We can't do them. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:05 - 3:15:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:05 - 3:15:06)
You can add them

[Speaker 11] (3:15:06 - 3:15:06)
That

[Speaker 9] (3:15:06 - 3:15:06)
on Monday.

[Speaker 11] (3:15:06 - 3:15:07)
was the 17th, but we can do it on the 8th.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:07 - 3:15:08)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:08 - 3:15:09)
That would be great. Yeah, if you can let

[Speaker 1] (3:15:09 - 3:15:11)
If you can let us know what the finances look like.

[Speaker 8] (3:15:11 - 3:15:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (3:15:13 - 3:15:14)
Okay, perfect.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:14 - 3:15:20)
So then I guess the motion would be to approve all but the, you want to pull the block party out.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:21 - 3:15:21)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:21 - 3:15:28)
And so it would be approval of four one day liquor licenses for each regiment and we will put block party and some other ones on the eighth.

[Speaker 8] (3:15:28 - 3:15:29)
correct.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:29 - 3:15:30)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:31 - 3:15:31)
Second.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:31 - 3:15:32)
All in favor?

[Speaker 8] (3:15:32 - 3:15:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:32 - 3:15:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:32 - 3:15:33)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:33 - 3:15:34)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:37 - 3:15:40)
Alrighty, so um select board comments?

[Speaker 9] (3:15:41 - 3:15:42)
Reports, anything?

[Speaker 8] (3:15:43 - 3:15:47)
Okay, just quick, you said discuss on the 8th?

[Speaker 9] (3:15:47 - 3:15:48)
On the 8th, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:15:48 - 3:15:48)
As in

[Speaker 1] (3:15:48 - 3:15:48)
It's a Monday.

[Speaker 8] (3:15:48 - 3:15:49)
then this,

[Speaker 1] (3:15:49 - 3:15:49)
Monday.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:49 - 3:15:49)
the special

[Speaker 8] (3:15:49 - 3:15:49)
special

[Speaker 2] (3:15:49 - 3:15:50)
meeting on Monday.

[Speaker 8] (3:15:50 - 3:15:51)
meeting,

[Speaker 1] (3:15:51 - 3:15:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:15:51 - 3:15:52)
okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:15:52 - 3:15:52)
Monday.

[Speaker 8] (3:15:52 - 3:15:54)
how many things are we talking about on that night?

[Speaker 1] (3:15:54 - 3:15:54)
So now we're talking

[Speaker 9] (3:15:54 - 3:15:54)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:15:54 - 3:15:55)
about two things

[Speaker 9] (3:15:55 - 3:15:55)
we're talking

[Speaker 1] (3:15:55 - 3:15:55)
since

[Speaker 9] (3:15:55 - 3:15:58)
about two things. We're talking about the entertainment and liquor license,

[Speaker 8] (3:15:58 - 3:15:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (3:15:59 - 3:16:01)
and we're talking about these

[Speaker 9] (3:16:01 - 3:16:03)
one-day liquor licenses,

[Speaker 8] (3:16:03 - 3:16:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:03 - 3:16:05)
and we're going to have more information, so it's going to be

[Speaker 9] (3:16:05 - 3:16:09)
more clearly and succinctly ascertain whether

[Speaker 8] (3:16:09 - 3:16:13)
Okay, I was just concerned that I've got like a small period of time to

[Speaker 9] (3:16:13 - 3:16:13)
We have

[Speaker 8] (3:16:13 - 3:16:13)
present.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:13 - 3:16:14)
well you have fifteen minutes mainly.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:14 - 3:16:15)
It will be quick.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:15 - 3:16:15)
So we will

[Speaker 8] (3:16:15 - 3:16:16)
All right.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:16 - 3:16:18)
we will keep that in mind that there are fifteen minutes.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:19 - 3:16:25)
I have faith in us. Considering the time right now, I have faith in us we could do it in fifteen minutes. Proud of us too.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:25 - 3:16:26)
Think we could do it in seven.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:26 - 3:16:28)
This was a big meeting and

[Speaker 11] (3:16:28 - 3:16:28)
How many we minutes?

[Speaker 9] (3:16:28 - 3:16:31)
got through it pretty quickly, so appreciate that.

[Speaker 8] (3:16:31 - 3:16:32)
I could name that's

[Speaker 2] (3:16:32 - 3:16:33)
It's exactly yeah.

[Speaker 11] (3:16:33 - 3:16:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:33 - 3:16:37)
And Erin's gonna go home and write a whole thing about the tri the recycling and the trash cans going out.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:37 - 3:16:39)
Please. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:39 - 3:16:40)
There you are.

[Speaker 9] (3:16:41 - 3:16:43)
All right, does anybody have select board comments or shall we go?

[Speaker 1] (3:16:43 - 3:16:50)
I only have congratulations to the baseball team. They won their NEC conference first time in thirty years.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:51 - 3:16:53)
Congratulations to coach Joe Caponegro,

[Speaker 1] (3:16:53 - 3:16:58)
coach of the year for the conference. They just did a phenomenal job. It was nice to see.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:59 - 3:17:00)
So congrats to that team.

[Speaker 9] (3:17:00 - 3:17:01)
Congrats.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:01 - 3:17:07)
The high school boys had a good valiant showing this week. Was it Monday night against Weston down on the lacrosse uh

[Speaker 1] (3:17:07 - 3:17:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:08 - 3:17:08)
lacrosse

[Speaker 3] (3:17:08 - 3:17:08)
Yep,

[Speaker 2] (3:17:08 - 3:17:08)
field.

[Speaker 9] (3:17:08 - 3:17:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:08 - 3:17:09)
they did.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:09 - 3:17:11)
So put up a great effort there.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:11 - 3:17:11)
Girls lacrosse

[Speaker 9] (3:17:11 - 3:17:12)
And girls

[Speaker 3] (3:17:12 - 3:17:12)
too.

[Speaker 9] (3:17:12 - 3:17:12)
and girls

[Speaker 3] (3:17:12 - 3:17:12)
Lacrosse

[Speaker 2] (3:17:12 - 3:17:12)
lacrosse

[Speaker 9] (3:17:12 - 3:17:12)
too.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:12 - 3:17:12)
yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:12 - 3:17:13)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:13 - 3:17:23)
Um I said earlier, but the the new uh commercial boat fisherman boat access, I guess, on on Fisherman's Beach that DPW led was

[Speaker 2] (3:17:24 - 3:17:34)
Really well done. In watching that, I've kinda spent a lot of time kinda watching it evolve over the two weeks they were pouring concrete at low tide and covering it up for high tide and doing it all over again. They did a really good job.

[Speaker 9] (3:17:35 - 3:17:35)
Excellent.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:35 - 3:17:39)
That was really impressive, and I know the commercial fishermen were very, very, very appreciative.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:39 - 3:17:39)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:17:39 - 3:17:40)
Fantastic.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:41 - 3:17:44)
So I just want to recognise Emiliano, Nate,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:44 - 3:17:48)
Daniel and Jill Dullette. And I'd also like to um

[Speaker 1] (3:17:50 - 3:17:55)
Make everybody aware that a long-standing individual staff person at the high school,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:55 - 3:17:55)
Mr.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:55 - 3:17:58)
Al Tierney, has retired,

[Speaker 9] (3:17:58 - 3:17:58)
Retired.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:58 - 3:17:59)
and um

[Speaker 1] (3:18:01 - 3:18:04)
I'm so depressed over that. He was the nicest guy and um

[Speaker 9] (3:18:04 - 3:18:06)
Think we kept him up too late with our meetings.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:07 - 3:18:21)
Maybe, but I think he loved it. So maybe we can have a party at some point and celebrate him. But I really appreciate all his hard work. I'm sure everybody does. And that's it for tonight.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:21 - 3:18:24)
Okay, so I attended

[Speaker 2] (3:18:31 - 3:18:52)
I I don't want to say fascinating but highly educational not just as being new but uh relevant in terms of a lot of things that have changed, some legal opinions and some judgments that have come over the last year that I think everybody on this board should be familiar with. Um so I would advise if you can go um and watch from June second.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:52 - 3:18:57)
It talked about everything from environmental permitting for energy, housing development,

[Speaker 2] (3:18:57 - 3:19:00)
climate action energy regulation,

[Speaker 2] (3:19:01 - 3:19:03)
starter home zoning,

[Speaker 2] (3:19:04 - 3:19:04)
40Y,

[Speaker 2] (3:19:04 - 3:19:07)
cannabis consumption and the new law.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:07 - 3:19:15)
Just a lot of things that were covered that I think eventually may become for us at some future point that we should become familiar with.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:15 - 3:19:16)
So just recommend.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:16 - 3:19:17)
It should be.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:18 - 3:19:22)
on a recorded and available so

[Speaker 3] (3:19:22 - 3:19:23)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:23 - 3:19:32)
I had one resident reach out and they would like to commend the Salt Scott Police Department for their action that they took in an incident. Sorry,

[Speaker 3] (3:19:32 - 3:19:35)
there's a giant fly around me.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:35 - 3:19:36)
Anyways,

[Speaker 3] (3:19:36 - 3:19:37)
please.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:39 - 3:19:40)
What is going on?

[Speaker 2] (3:19:40 - 3:19:41)
Meanwhile...

[Speaker 4] (3:19:41 - 3:19:41)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:41 - 3:19:42)
Sorry,

[Speaker 3] (3:19:42 - 3:19:44)
it's really big and Nick's laughing at me.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:46 - 3:19:49)
This particular issue was like at three in the morning.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:49 - 3:19:51)
They were asleep in bed.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:52 - 3:19:54)
They heard somebody having a issue in the street,

[Speaker 3] (3:19:55 - 3:19:56)
sort of a mental health issue.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:57 - 3:20:08)
They called the Swamp Scout police. They responded and they just commended the way they responded by de-escalating the issue and coming to a very safe resolution to a situation like this.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:08 - 3:20:33)
that could have ended not very safely and so I would like to commit I don't know who the officers were that were on but I want to commend you know the Swampscot police for that reaction and the continued service to make sure that you know when people are in that time of need that they're there to help them get the help that they need so appreciate that very much

[Speaker 3] (3:20:35 - 3:20:36)
And that is all I have.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:36 - 3:20:37)
Motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 2] (3:20:37 - 3:20:37)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:37 - 3:20:38)
Thank you, Danielle.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:38 - 3:20:39)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (3:20:39 - 3:20:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:39 - 3:20:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:39 - 3:20:41)
Aye. Thank you very much.