[Speaker 1] (2:12 - 2:13)
What do you say?

[Speaker 2] (2:13 - 2:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:13 - 2:13)
Please.

[Speaker 4] (2:13 - 2:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:13 - 2:14)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (2:15 - 2:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:16 - 2:16)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:23 - 2:24)
We good? Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:24 - 2:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:24 - 2:36)
Good evening and welcome to the June seventeenth meeting of the Select Board. We'll get started with the pled Oh, you are be we are being recorded and we'll get started with the Pledge of Allegiance, please.

[Speaker 4] (2:41 - 2:47)
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

[Speaker 4] (2:47 - 2:49)
one nation under God,

[Speaker 4] (2:49 - 2:52)
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 4] (2:58 - 2:58)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:58 - 3:01)
we will begin with the town administrator's report.

[Speaker 5] (3:02 - 3:03)
Good evening, everyone.

[Speaker 6] (3:04 - 3:08)
So I'll provide a brief update on the general government side of Town Hall.

[Speaker 6] (3:09 - 3:10)
On the HR front,

[Speaker 6] (3:10 - 3:12)
we welcomed our new customer service rep,

[Speaker 6] (3:12 - 3:13)
Jacqueline Jones.

[Speaker 6] (3:14 - 3:22)
We're excited to have her as the office continues to staff back up with Chrissy's transition to Linfield to be assistant town accountant, so we're very excited. In addition,

[Speaker 6] (3:22 - 3:25)
on the 29th, we'll have our new supervisor joining.

[Speaker 6] (3:25 - 3:27)
I will introduce her at our next meeting.

[Speaker 6] (3:27 - 3:30)
She's still working through the exit plan with her current position,

[Speaker 6] (3:30 - 3:33)
so I want to respect that timing as well.

[Speaker 6] (3:33 - 3:38)
In addition, we've completed our finalist interviews for the new director of aging services position.

[Speaker 6] (3:39 - 3:41)
Heidi is retiring at the end of this month.

[Speaker 6] (3:41 - 3:47)
We have had a number of qualified candidates and the finalists that we've sat down with have been fantastic.

[Speaker 6] (3:48 - 3:50)
We anticipate making that final.

[Speaker 6] (3:51 - 3:51)
um

[Speaker 6] (3:52 - 4:02)
appointment either later this week or the beginning of next week but again we've had a couple of great candidates come in and have those discussions so we're really looking forward to the future there as well

[Speaker 6] (4:03 - 4:10)
in addition i wanted to speak briefly to the project at the Hadley school i know we've talked about a little bit here over the last couple of meetings

[Speaker 6] (4:11 - 4:15)
we did receive the design drawings from Dixon and the team the development team

[Speaker 6] (4:15 - 4:22)
And we're going to put together a neighborhood meeting for him to go through those with folks that are abutters and adjacent.

[Speaker 6] (4:22 - 4:23)
We will

[Speaker 6] (4:24 - 4:45)
publicize that I think we're looking to try to do it all together on the 6th 7th or 8th when we have our next meeting here he'll also be joining to go through the design plans with you all but in addition while he's up we wanted to do an in-person meeting with the neighbors in addition to obviously inviting them here to share their opinions but to have a closer chance to have one-on-one interactions and give feedback to him

[Speaker 6] (4:46 - 4:48)
Also on the development front,

[Speaker 6] (4:48 - 4:54)
I just wanted to highlight again something I mentioned last time, which is the coming restrictions on parking that we anticipate at Hawthorne.

[Speaker 6] (4:54 - 5:02)
In speaking to the team there as they move closer to completing the work that they plan to be doing and then moving into operations,

[Speaker 6] (5:02 - 5:03)
there will be restrictions.

[Speaker 6] (5:04 - 5:10)
I think the plan, and I don't mean to speak for them, but it's certainly a hope that it will start with education before enforcement.

[Speaker 6] (5:10 - 5:13)
It will be well signed so that everyone's aware when.

[Speaker 6] (5:13 - 5:22)
and how it's starting but the hope is if there are folks that are in there that it's a education before enforcement type of thing so that everyone has an opportunity to get on the same page.

[Speaker 6] (5:25 - 5:28)
In addition to that, I wanted to speak briefly about the pier,

[Speaker 6] (5:29 - 5:32)
Fisherman's Beach and the fish house more broadly.

[Speaker 6] (5:33 - 5:37)
We've seen an uptick in the number of what I'll call prohibited activities in the area,

[Speaker 6] (5:37 - 5:41)
jumping in the water from the pier, fishing from the pier,

[Speaker 6] (5:41 - 5:50)
other things that I would very generally call loitering, but it's really just sort of not being thoughtful and mindful of your surroundings and the others that are in the area.

[Speaker 6] (5:50 - 5:51)
area as users.

[Speaker 6] (5:51 - 5:53)
We want to remind the residents,

[Speaker 6] (5:53 - 5:54)
any visitors,

[Speaker 6] (5:54 - 5:57)
and obviously the kids in town to be respectful of the space,

[Speaker 6] (5:57 - 5:58)
respectful of others in the area,

[Speaker 6] (5:59 - 6:01)
and really be mindful of the surroundings.

[Speaker 6] (6:01 - 6:09)
You know jumping off the pier into an area with active boating is problematic and troubling and we want to make sure that type of thing does not continue.

[Speaker 6] (6:10 - 6:15)
In addition we'll be updating the signage in the area. There is I think one smaller and faded sign currently.

[Speaker 6] (6:15 - 6:32)
in the in the space that highlights those prohibitions will be replacing that with something that a larger and obviously new and we're going to be looking at installing new bike racks so that it's not sort of a free-for-all which is developed over time that is developing into conflicts between the

[Speaker 6] (6:32 - 6:41)
Commercial fish use and you know when kids are riding down we want to give them a place to safely store their bikes and also allow everyone else to be able to use the space the way we plan.

[Speaker 6] (6:41 - 6:58)
I've spoken direct to the police department about it, both the harbour master's office which obviously is right on site when staffed will be trying to keep an eye on these things but it'll be part of patrol as well that it's something we just want to keep an eye on it's not that we necessarily have to have someone sitting there at all times.

[Speaker 6] (6:58 - 7:05)
times but we want the visitors, residents and kids to be mindful and then also we will be there on the education enforcement side as well.

[Speaker 6] (7:06 - 7:10)
Finally I wanted to highlight it's a you know busy couple weeks for events.

[Speaker 6] (7:11 - 7:13)
Tomorrow we have the Juneteenth event at Town Hall.

[Speaker 6] (7:14 - 7:16)
Last week we had the Pride event,

[Speaker 6] (7:16 - 7:17)
which thank you, Danielle,

[Speaker 6] (7:17 - 7:19)
for your participation in that.

[Speaker 6] (7:20 - 7:23)
And then also on Friday we have the World Cup game,

[Speaker 6] (7:23 - 7:27)
which is a U.S. game at 3 o'clock, so we anticipate a big crowd there.

[Speaker 6] (7:28 - 7:33)
And then the weekend ahead we have Harbor Fest and the following weekend there's the two weeks to the...

[Speaker 6] (7:34 - 7:35)
the parade as well.

[Speaker 6] (7:35 - 7:52)
So there's a lot coming on going on between now and the fourth and we encourage everyone to get out and enjoy it and so I wanted to highlight that stuff and there'll be a couple of other games I don't have every game in front of me that we're showing but they're basically day time or early evening games over the next couple of weeks as we go through the World Cup tournament.

[Speaker 6] (7:52 - 7:57)
It's been great turnout so far and you know as I said we anticipate Friday will be bigger with the

[Speaker 6] (7:58 - 8:02)
the holiday schools and a U.S. game after they had looked pretty good in their first game.

[Speaker 6] (8:02 - 8:05)
So we'll see how it all goes. And with that I'm happy to answer any questions.

[Speaker 4] (8:08 - 8:08)
Anybody have questions?

[Speaker 7] (8:09 - 8:13)
So I have questions or comments really um about the pier.

[Speaker 7] (8:13 - 8:18)
So we've seen a serious uptick. We've gotten I've received calls from boaters.

[Speaker 7] (8:19 - 8:21)
Children that are jumping off the pier in front of their boats.

[Speaker 6] (8:22 - 8:22)
Oh well.

[Speaker 7] (8:22 - 8:29)
Bikes that are down there. I heard someone drove a vehicle down the side ramp there and just kind of parked there.

[Speaker 7] (8:30 - 8:36)
So I kind of I want to understand what the role is of the harbormaster in terms of safety,

[Speaker 7] (8:36 - 8:37)
pier safety,

[Speaker 7] (8:37 - 8:39)
all of that. How does how does that roll?

[Speaker 6] (8:39 - 8:43)
So prior to it being a uniformed police officer,

[Speaker 6] (8:43 - 8:44)
the enforcement

[Speaker 6] (8:45 - 8:48)
There is some distinction in enforcement now that it is staffed by police,

[Speaker 6] (8:48 - 8:50)
and we have police on patrol.

[Speaker 6] (8:50 - 8:54)
That distinction is not really existent any longer.

[Speaker 6] (8:54 - 8:57)
It is not staffed at all times, as everyone is aware,

[Speaker 6] (8:57 - 8:58)
but we want to make sure that

[Speaker 6] (8:59 - 9:01)
You know, not only when we have someone there,

[Speaker 6] (9:01 - 9:21)
that the harbour master and assistants are thinking about these things and keeping an eye out for them and speaking with leadership at the police department. We also want those on patrol at any time throughout the day who may be in the area to also be keeping an eye on it, stopping by again to be visible and to make sure that there's some deterrent beyond signage.

[Speaker 6] (9:22 - 9:23)
And,

[Speaker 6] (9:23 - 9:26)
you know, we appreciate anyone else sort of sharing.

[Speaker 6] (9:26 - 9:27)
sharing the messages you're doing right now uh

[Speaker 7] (9:27 - 9:28)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (9:28 - 9:33)
to highlight the need to be really thoughtful and safety-focused if you're down there as any type of user at all.

[Speaker 7] (9:33 - 9:39)
Because I know we do have signs down there already, right? There is a sign that says no jumping or, you know, no bikes or whatever.

[Speaker 4] (9:40 - 9:41)
There's a no fishing sign also.

[Speaker 7] (9:41 - 9:41)
No fishing.

[Speaker 6] (9:41 - 9:41)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (9:41 - 9:50)
And I don't know that that is really deterring much. So the other piece of the safety issue that I have right now is pedestrian safety.

[Speaker 7] (9:50 - 9:55)
safety right so we had an incident the intersection of Salem and Humphrey where

[Speaker 7] (9:55 - 9:56)
a child was hit.

[Speaker 6] (9:56 - 9:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (9:57 - 9:59)
Child on a bike was hit by a vehicle.

[Speaker 2] (9:59 - 9:59)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (10:00 - 10:14)
So uh that got me to thinking is there some way that we can talk to the police about maybe revisiting like a safety officer position or pedestrian safety position. I think we did have someone that was dedicated to traffic.

[Speaker 1] (10:15 - 10:23)
Well, I don't think that's a really appropriate title, but um more pedestrian safety, maybe someone that can take care of the beaches, the pier.

[Speaker 1] (10:25 - 10:27)
you know, crosswalks, things of that nature.

[Speaker 1] (10:28 - 10:40)
So I just wanted to be thinking about that, because it's it's that time of year, and I mean, you know, we have a lot of kids out there riding, we have a lot of walkers out there just walking, and I want to make sure that we really are paying attention to safety.

[Speaker 3] (10:40 - 10:43)
Yeah, I I think on the staffing side and

[Speaker 3] (10:44 - 10:46)
How those resources are allocated, I'm happy to

[Speaker 1] (10:46 - 10:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (10:46 - 10:52)
have something to tell you on the seventh, whether it's an agenda item or a run down here of how we plan to move forward.

[Speaker 1] (10:52 - 10:53)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (10:53 - 11:04)
And then I think as you're aware but others may not be, um Gino and I have been working with public safety um and others to figure out both short and longer term solutions to improve that intersection.

[Speaker 1] (11:04 - 11:05)
And you already did, so

[Speaker 3] (11:05 - 11:07)
It's a c it's a step in the right direction, but we're

[Speaker 1] (11:07 - 11:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (11:07 - 11:11)
all you know, there's other things that I think Gino would identify certainly and his team are suggesting.

[Speaker 3] (11:11 - 11:11)
testing.

[Speaker 1] (11:11 - 11:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (11:11 - 11:23)
Um so there may be additional they in addition to the re-striping and that type of thing that we will be doing at some point over the summer, um you know whether it's another rapid flashing beacon which I think is one of the solutions that's going to be on Salem,

[Speaker 1] (11:23 - 11:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (11:23 - 11:28)
um you know we're looking at other options in addition to the idea that was already implemented.

[Speaker 1] (11:28 - 11:29)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (11:29 - 11:30)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (11:30 - 11:30)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (11:31 - 11:31)
I I

[Speaker 5] (11:31 - 11:32)
We're

[Speaker 4] (11:32 - 11:37)
think your comments on the peer are timely and I can only share from my experience about two hours ago I was coming back

[Speaker 3] (11:37 - 11:37)
Do you want

[Speaker 4] (11:37 - 11:37)
from

[Speaker 3] (11:37 - 11:38)
me to my give back Mike?

[Speaker 4] (11:38 - 11:47)
coming back from my boat about two hours ago pulling up to the pier and there was a kid who was probably having the time of his life but got caught swimming under the floats as I was coming in on a boat.

[Speaker 3] (11:47 - 11:47)
Oh my God.

[Speaker 4] (11:47 - 11:51)
And uh if the timing were different it would not have been fun for anybody.

[Speaker 1] (11:51 - 11:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (11:51 - 11:54)
So I think it's really important it's not being anti-fun.

[Speaker 4] (11:55 - 11:59)
Right, 'cause I'm sure if I grew up in town I probably would have loved to have jumped off that pier.

[Speaker 4] (11:59 - 12:05)
Um but when situations don't go right it can be frightening for everybody.

[Speaker 3] (12:05 - 12:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (12:05 - 12:12)
Um so I appreciate that update and um look forward to having those situations hopefully be more minimised.

[Speaker 4] (12:13 - 12:19)
Um the only other thing I would bring up is uh the DPW team did a really good job um

[Speaker 4] (12:20 - 12:24)
building out the, I'll call it the commercial boat launch, but it's not a boat launch.

[Speaker 4] (12:25 - 12:34)
They did a great job over the last few weeks building that, and it was really entertaining to watch them build it at low tide, cover it up when high tide came in, low tide came back, they took it off. It was a lot of fun to watch.

[Speaker 4] (12:35 - 13:00)
But I was at a harbour waterfront meeting this week and there were concerns from the commercial guys that it wouldn't be used appropriately. Because it's really designed for them to load their traps on their trucks at all tide points, leave the truck there when they go load their their haul onto their boats and not have their trucks get you know washed out to sea. And I said, I don't know if anybody's gonna do that. And then I left the meeting and on my way home I saw a gentleman in his car at the end of it eating pizza and having what looked like a really nice view.

[Speaker 4] (13:00 - 13:17)
you while he was doing it. Um but I said oh, I guess I was wrong on that. Um so I would just ask maybe we consider some signage there or some policy that we could consider about uh ensuring that those who use the harbour commercially have the infrastructure that we invest for them used for the purposes that they're being paid for.

[Speaker 3] (13:18 - 13:22)
Yeah, and I will add that Gina and I spoke about that as well.

[Speaker 4] (13:22 - 13:22)
Perfect.

[Speaker 3] (13:22 - 13:27)
I think it was before we had heard necessarily about the pizza incident.

[Speaker 3] (13:27 - 13:29)
It was more related to, I think, a pile of bikes that

[Speaker 4] (13:29 - 13:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (13:30 - 13:30)
were left there.

[Speaker 4] (13:30 - 13:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (13:31 - 13:31)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 3] (13:31 - 13:32)
So again,

[Speaker 3] (13:33 - 13:41)
tonight I wouldn't be ready to have something that's fully thought out to sort of share with you all, but the general sense and idea was looking at,

[Speaker 3] (13:41 - 13:43)
can we do something that it's permitted?

[Speaker 3] (13:43 - 14:04)
commercial use only type of thing and it's a nominal almost non-existent fee necessarily, but it's something where we have an opportunity then enforce its being used the way that was intended, uh and it's protected as an investment over time. So that, you know, a use that might n conflict with how it was designed uh could could result in a a

[Speaker 4] (14:04 - 14:04)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (14:04 - 14:09)
a timeline uh that wouldn't be great for that project to be sustained. So

[Speaker 4] (14:09 - 14:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (14:10 - 14:15)
So, two things on the boat ramp. Is uh can it not be just some

[Speaker 6] (14:17 - 14:21)
ballards with some rope across them that says commercial use only and the fishermen

[Speaker 6] (14:22 - 14:46)
utilize it and we try to I mean sometimes that's enough I don't know we'd have to ask that gentleman in his pizza if that would be enough to stop him but sometimes just having it not open is enough to stop somebody the second thing I wondered is if there was any way we could get a representation at the Harbor Marine Fest for this weekend to be talking about like float safety dock safety pier safety that way

[Speaker 6] (14:47 - 14:51)
There's a presence, and there's some education happening before we're just

[Speaker 6] (14:52 - 14:54)
being the fun police.

[Speaker 6] (14:55 - 14:55)
As

[Speaker 3] (14:55 - 14:59)
And they may already be planning on that, but we'll underline it tomorrow morning.

[Speaker 6] (15:00 - 15:01)
Marilyn, did you have anything?

[Speaker 1] (15:02 - 15:02)
No.

[Speaker 6] (15:02 - 15:03)
Excellent.

[Speaker 1] (15:03 - 15:03)
It's going to be a long night.

[Speaker 6] (15:06 - 15:07)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (15:08 - 15:10)
Uh, we will move on

[Speaker 6] (15:10 - 15:12)
And then to public comments.

[Speaker 6] (15:12 - 15:16)
So public comment will be three minutes. You can approach the mic,

[Speaker 6] (15:16 - 15:17)
state your name and your address.

[Speaker 6] (15:18 - 15:23)
And this is, unless you're speaking on the ERAC item on the agenda,

[Speaker 6] (15:23 - 15:27)
this is the moment for all comments, for agenda and non-agenda items.

[Speaker 6] (15:27 - 15:31)
So ERAC is a public hearing, so there will be comment during the public hearing.

[Speaker 6] (15:35 - 15:36)
Yes. Oh, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 6] (15:36 - 15:39)
master plan is also a public hearing. So you can also talk about the master plan during that.

[Speaker 6] (15:39 - 15:40)
Go ahead, Tom.

[Speaker 4] (15:40 - 15:40)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (15:40 - 15:42)
Good evening. My name is Tom Pulleria.

[Speaker 4] (15:42 - 15:45)
I live at 30 Stanwood Road in Precinct 6.

[Speaker 4] (15:45 - 15:50)
I'm a town meeting member and also proudly serve on the Harbor and Waterfront Advisory Committee.

[Speaker 4] (15:51 - 15:54)
I am also the father of three children ages 6,

[Speaker 4] (15:54 - 15:58)
7, and 9 who participate in many of our town sports programs including baseball,

[Speaker 4] (15:58 - 16:00)
softball, lacrosse, soccer,

[Speaker 4] (16:00 - 16:00)
and basketball.

[Speaker 4] (16:01 - 16:03)
As my children have become more involved in sports,

[Speaker 4] (16:04 - 16:08)
I have spent countless hours on fields throughout Swampscott and across the North Shore.

[Speaker 4] (16:09 - 16:17)
One thing that has become increasingly clear compared with neighboring communities, the condition of our recreational facilities has fallen behind.

[Speaker 4] (16:18 - 16:20)
I am not here tonight to point fingers.

[Speaker 4] (16:20 - 16:31)
I am here to ask the board to work with the open space and recreation committee, the community preservation committee, and all other committees in town and improve our recreational,

[Speaker 4] (16:31 - 16:38)
make improving our recreational facilities a priority and to fight for this funding and necessary support for this effort.

[Speaker 4] (16:39 - 16:40)
Quite simply,

[Speaker 4] (16:40 - 16:42)
upkeep and maintenance have not kept pace.

[Speaker 4] (16:42 - 16:44)
Our track is in deplorable condition,

[Speaker 4] (16:44 - 16:47)
the bathroom facilities at Black Sea are embarrassing,

[Speaker 4] (16:48 - 16:50)
baseball fields are overgrown with weeds,

[Speaker 4] (16:50 - 16:51)
fields are often not lined,

[Speaker 4] (16:52 - 16:53)
grass is long,

[Speaker 4] (16:53 - 16:54)
benches are broken or missing,

[Speaker 4] (16:55 - 16:56)
fences need repair,

[Speaker 4] (16:56 - 16:59)
and many playing surfaces are uneven and poorly maintained.

[Speaker 4] (17:00 - 17:03)
Because we have so few fields and no room for many new ones,

[Speaker 4] (17:03 - 17:06)
the facilities we do have receive tremendous use.

[Speaker 4] (17:06 - 17:10)
At a minimum, we must properly maintain and take pride in what we already own.

[Speaker 4] (17:11 - 17:15)
I have visited facilities across the North Shore and the difference is striking.

[Speaker 4] (17:15 - 17:17)
Their fields and facilities are simply better.

[Speaker 4] (17:18 - 17:23)
In many cases those improvements have been driven by partnerships with local leagues and community organizations.

[Speaker 4] (17:23 - 17:27)
In fact, some of the best fields in Swampscott are the baseball fields at the middle school,

[Speaker 4] (17:28 - 17:30)
which are maintained by our Little League organization,

[Speaker 4] (17:30 - 17:32)
proving that we can do better.

[Speaker 4] (17:32 - 17:33)
At Block C,

[Speaker 4] (17:33 - 17:40)
one of the busiest and most visible areas in town, we have an aging building that is a borderline eyesore, shipping containers being used for storage,

[Speaker 4] (17:40 - 17:42)
and a bathroom that I was frankly disgusted by.

[Speaker 4] (17:43 - 17:44)
We should expect more from ourselves,

[Speaker 4] (17:45 - 17:47)
our town should be proud of these facilities,

[Speaker 4] (17:47 - 17:49)
and we should take pride in their appearance and management.

[Speaker 4] (17:50 - 17:55)
For too long we have focused on new initiatives while neglecting the basic maintenance and upkeep of existing assets.

[Speaker 4] (17:56 - 17:59)
Our maintenance crews are understaffed and overworked and we need their support.

[Speaker 4] (18:00 - 18:01)
And they need support.

[Speaker 4] (18:01 - 18:05)
I believe we need a comprehensive assessment of all recreational facilities,

[Speaker 4] (18:05 - 18:10)
a long-term capital improvement plan and commitment to funding both routine maintenance and major upgrades.

[Speaker 4] (18:11 - 18:12)
We need to restore the track,

[Speaker 4] (18:12 - 18:13)
improve the turf,

[Speaker 4] (18:13 - 18:15)
level the fields, repair fences.

[Speaker 4] (18:15 - 18:20)
is provide adequate seating and invest in infrastructure that supports our athletes and families.

[Speaker 4] (18:20 - 18:25)
Swampscott has a very loud and proud long and proud tradition as a strong sports community.

[Speaker 4] (18:25 - 18:29)
We have always supported our young athletes and taken pride in this legacy.

[Speaker 4] (18:29 - 18:30)
We have fallen behind.

[Speaker 4] (18:30 - 18:36)
We can do better and I'm asking the board and I hope the board will make these investments a priority going forward.

[Speaker 4] (18:36 - 18:37)
I thank you for the time.

[Speaker 6] (18:37 - 18:38)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (18:40 - 18:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (18:45 - 18:46)
Hi, my name is Ruth Davidson.

[Speaker 7] (18:46 - 18:55)
I live at 207 Humphrey. I'm a couple of doors down from where the new center for the, well, proposed center for the performing arts will be,

[Speaker 7] (18:55 - 18:57)
which I'm really excited about,

[Speaker 7] (18:57 - 19:02)
really looking forward to having this kind of multi-use space,

[Speaker 7] (19:02 - 19:04)
even if it's temporary,

[Speaker 7] (19:04 - 19:07)
that I think it's a really great proposal.

[Speaker 7] (19:08 - 19:25)
Um and I've really appreciated the conversations that I've had with folks on the select board and I wish I would really like the opportunity to hear some answers and some comments from the folks involved in the actual proposal which I feel like I tried to make possible and has not happened yet.

[Speaker 7] (19:26 - 19:29)
I'm really happy to hear that

[Speaker 7] (19:30 - 19:34)
The sound implications of this will be kept in the walls.

[Speaker 7] (19:34 - 19:43)
That was my only noise concern about the actual space actually and I think that's really encouraging that that's been committed to.

[Speaker 7] (19:43 - 19:54)
My other concern has to do more with the potential of large crowds at shows late at night who have been drinking all exiting into that.

[Speaker 1] (19:56 - 20:10)
I don't have a good sense of how the venues will be used. It may be a moot point, it may be a non-issue. If it's small groups of people or even larger groups of people at dinner listening to entertainment filtering out at different points.

[Speaker 1] (20:10 - 20:15)
I don't see the issue. But I think if there's a comedy show,

[Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:16)
a concert,

[Speaker 1] (20:16 - 20:17)
sorry,

[Speaker 1] (20:17 - 20:18)
thank you, I am short.

[Speaker 1] (20:18 - 20:24)
and you have the potential for 300 people to be in there because that lot handles that,

[Speaker 1] (20:24 - 20:38)
but I don't know if there's going to be a space that will accommodate 300 people, but 300 people exiting late at night who have been drinking are going to be noisy and rowdy and those of us who live a couple doors up are going to hear it and that would be disruptive.

[Speaker 1] (20:39 - 20:43)
So I'm hoping, I would love to hear from the folks at the

[Speaker 1] (20:44 - 21:11)
venue or the select board around how we're going to handle that and ways to anticipate it whether it's having representatives from I don't know if it's a club restaurant whatever from staff who are helping to mitigate that or our local police force whatever I would just love to see that managed so that it's not a chronic issue and then I had one other question for I don't know what I saw that Maria is also applying for an entertainment

[Speaker 1] (21:11 - 21:19)
entertainment license to go in there. I think it's great she's going to be in there, and I'm wondering what kind of entertainment that is. I understand the victualers, but it would be nice to know

[Speaker 1] (21:20 - 21:25)
what's actually planned and in terms of the implications for sound, for noise. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (21:34 - 21:36)
Good evening. My name is Paula Clearidge.

[Speaker 2] (21:36 - 21:44)
I'm 31 Banks Terrace, and I'm here as a resident of Swampscott and as a representative of the Open Space Recreation Plan Committee.

[Speaker 2] (21:45 - 21:54)
I wanted to present several points that the committee would like you to consider and include in any RFP that's issued for the former Hawthorne Restaurant site.

[Speaker 2] (21:54 - 21:59)
We believe that the Hawthorne property should be developed as primarily open parkland,

[Speaker 2] (21:59 - 22:00)
without any sizable structures,

[Speaker 2] (22:01 - 22:09)
which is in line with the position of a large number of the town's residents who have consistently indicated a preference that the property be mainly developed as a public park and plaza.

[Speaker 2] (22:10 - 22:15)
There was strong support for open space in the public forums that followed the purchase of the property.

[Speaker 2] (22:15 - 22:18)
The surveys conducted by the consultant hired by the town,

[Speaker 2] (22:18 - 22:18)
HDR,

[Speaker 2] (22:19 - 22:23)
showed that most important use for the property was public park and open space.

[Speaker 2] (22:24 - 22:31)
A strong preference for more rather than less open space was also expressed at the public forums held by the Hawthorne Reuse Advisory Committee.

[Speaker 2] (22:32 - 22:36)
Of 545 responses to the committee's survey,

[Speaker 2] (22:36 - 22:41)
271 favored open space park green space per data collected.

[Speaker 2] (22:42 - 22:47)
People in neighboring communities have benefited from their open space areas along the coast.

[Speaker 2] (22:48 - 22:50)
For example, people of all ages stroll,

[Speaker 2] (22:50 - 22:51)
run,

[Speaker 2] (22:51 - 22:53)
bike year-round along the Linway.

[Speaker 2] (22:53 - 22:56)
Or around the pathways at Red Rock Park and Lynn,

[Speaker 2] (22:56 - 22:57)
Fort Sewell and Marblehead,

[Speaker 2] (22:58 - 22:59)
the Willows in Salem,

[Speaker 2] (23:00 - 23:02)
Lynch Park in Beverly and Stage Fort Park in Gloucester.

[Speaker 2] (23:03 - 23:15)
These open space areas contribute to revenue generation to these communities by drawing people from these communities and beyond to the open spaces to support events at the parks as well as making purchases at nearby businesses.

[Speaker 2] (23:17 - 23:20)
Open space at the Hawthorne property would serve as an amenity to our local businesses,

[Speaker 2] (23:21 - 23:23)
including the forthcoming Hadley Hotel,

[Speaker 2] (23:23 - 23:27)
to draw people from Swampscott as well as neighboring communities and beyond.

[Speaker 2] (23:28 - 23:34)
We agree with the report issued by the Hawthorne Reuse Advisory Committee that the Hawthorne restaurant should be removed.

[Speaker 2] (23:34 - 23:41)
The existing building needs updating to meet accessibility codes as well as extensive repairs to address years of deferred maintenance.

[Speaker 2] (23:42 - 23:46)
Depending on the use or occupancy type proposed for the reuse of the existing building,

[Speaker 2] (23:47 - 23:50)
there is potential for costly new work to replace mechanical,

[Speaker 2] (23:50 - 23:51)
electrical,

[Speaker 2] (23:51 - 23:54)
and building envelope systems to meet current energy code requirements.

[Speaker 2] (23:55 - 24:01)
Lastly, the building blocks the coastal access that's required by the warrant that was approved for purchasing the property.

[Speaker 2] (24:03 - 24:07)
Many arguments have been made for more parking and revenue generation on the Hawthorne site.

[Speaker 2] (24:08 - 24:12)
Based on the redevelopment analysis in November 2024 by the town's consultant,

[Speaker 2] (24:12 - 24:13)
Baker Tilly,

[Speaker 2] (24:13 - 24:18)
the entire Hawthorne Street corridor needs to be addressed holistically and cohesively.

[Speaker 2] (24:19 - 24:20)
To quote from the report,

[Speaker 2] (24:20 - 24:22)
it says this larger assembled parcel,

[Speaker 2] (24:22 - 24:26)
and they're referring to the Hawthorne property and the adjacent St.

[Speaker 2] (24:26 - 24:27)
John's parking lot.

[Speaker 2] (24:28 - 24:42)
would represent a key anchor on the western end of the Humphrey Street corridor and reverse a persistent trend in the town of privatization of key waterfront parcels for residential use and ensure long-term public access to the waterfront in this key district.

[Speaker 2] (24:43 - 24:46)
Previous planning studies have noted a lack of identity for the corridor,

[Speaker 2] (24:47 - 24:51)
including a lack of promotion of local businesses, difficulty getting around the area,

[Speaker 2] (24:51 - 24:54)
and a need to improve the physical character of the corridor.

[Speaker 2] (24:55 - 25:02)
The Hawthorne property can't be seen as the sole solution to address the parking and revenue issues facing Humphrey Street corridor and the town's finances.

[Speaker 2] (25:03 - 25:03)
Is that it? Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (25:03 - 25:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (25:04 - 25:04)
Anyway,

[Speaker 2] (25:04 - 25:05)
in conclusion,

[Speaker 2] (25:07 - 25:13)
Open Space and Recreation Plan Committee urges the members of the Select Board to encourage and promote open space,

[Speaker 2] (25:13 - 25:14)
remove the existing building,

[Speaker 2] (25:15 - 25:17)
and have free public access to the entire property.

[Speaker 2] (25:17 - 25:18)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (25:25 - 25:30)
Good evening. My name is Jim Olivetti. I live at 86 Farragut Road,

[Speaker 4] (25:30 - 25:34)
and I'm a member of the tree committee,

[Speaker 4] (25:34 - 25:35)
the town's tree committee.

[Speaker 4] (25:35 - 25:36)
I'm here...

[Speaker 4] (25:38 - 25:41)
You know, you've heard most of my message from the previous speaker,

[Speaker 4] (25:42 - 25:45)
but in more detail and in writing,

[Speaker 4] (25:45 - 25:52)
you were sent a letter on May 15th from four town committees,

[Speaker 4] (25:53 - 25:53)
the Tree Committee,

[Speaker 4] (25:54 - 25:55)
the Open Space Committee,

[Speaker 4] (25:55 - 25:57)
the Conservation Commission.

[Speaker 4] (25:58 - 26:02)
and the climate action committee,

[Speaker 4] (26:02 - 26:04)
the resilience committee.

[Speaker 4] (26:04 - 26:09)
So if you need a copy of that seven-page letter,

[Speaker 4] (26:09 - 26:11)
and there was a lot of detail in that,

[Speaker 4] (26:11 - 26:15)
please talk to any of the chairs of those four committees.

[Speaker 4] (26:15 - 26:24)
They all voted to and edited and participated in the writing of this letter that you received on May 15th.

[Speaker 4] (26:23 - 26:28)
May 15th. The overall message is what you just heard,

[Speaker 4] (26:29 - 26:35)
that the majority of the Hawthorne property in the, your four committees'

[Speaker 4] (26:35 - 26:38)
opinions ought to be reserved for open space.

[Speaker 4] (26:39 - 26:45)
I think that rather than take too much more of your time, I just have one suggestion.

[Speaker 4] (26:45 - 26:47)
If there are

[Speaker 4] (26:48 - 26:59)
citizen committees that are going to work with the board and the town administrator to plan Hawthorne property use and reuse.

[Speaker 4] (27:00 - 27:14)
I would encourage you to select also some members from these four committees who've put a lot of thought and effort and who actually have some purview into open space here in town to serve on those committees.

[Speaker 4] (27:15 - 27:27)
Think of these committees as a resource that you have and that you can draw from as this very, very important project involving open space in our town moves forward.

[Speaker 4] (27:27 - 27:29)
So thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (27:31 - 27:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (27:43 - 27:45)
Good evening, town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 5] (27:45 - 27:46)
My name is Brian Driscoll.

[Speaker 5] (27:46 - 27:49)
I am a resident at 1104 Humphrey Street here in town.

[Speaker 5] (27:50 - 27:53)
This evening I'm here to help support my 10-year-old son,

[Speaker 5] (27:53 - 27:53)
Connor,

[Speaker 5] (27:53 - 27:56)
who's been a resident here his whole life and active sports.

[Speaker 5] (27:57 - 27:58)
star in town.

[Speaker 5] (27:59 - 28:03)
Connor has a business idea that I'm here to help him support.

[Speaker 5] (28:03 - 28:05)
And in pursuit of that,

[Speaker 5] (28:05 - 28:09)
we contacted Gino Cresta and asked for his advice.

[Speaker 5] (28:09 - 28:13)
He suggested that we come here for public comment and also in preparation for that.

[Speaker 5] (28:13 - 28:19)
Connor has gone around town and collected over 50 signatures in approval for his idea.

[Speaker 5] (28:19 - 28:23)
So we wanted to start this process by making sure that we let

[Speaker 5] (28:23 - 28:28)
We let the board know that we would like to support Conner's idea.

[Speaker 5] (28:28 - 28:31)
I'll let him tell you a little bit more about it, but then we'd like your feedback later too.

[Speaker 6] (28:35 - 28:45)
Hi my name is Connor Driscoll and I want to make a business and basically what my business is about,

[Speaker 6] (28:45 - 28:46)
it is about

[Speaker 6] (28:50 - 28:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (28:52 - 29:04)
It is about painting house numbers on the curb, and how that benefits the residents of Swampscott is first responders,

[Speaker 6] (29:04 - 29:13)
delivery drivers, ambulances and emergency services in general can see your house number better.

[Speaker 6] (29:14 - 29:28)
So basically what I'm trying to wrap up up by that is you'll be safer and you'll have a higher chance of being alive if um a situation ever happens at your house.

[Speaker 2] (29:30 - 29:31)
That's a great idea.

[Speaker 5] (29:32 - 29:33)
Thank you. We'll submit this.

[Speaker 5] (29:37 - 29:43)
Connor would like to submit his proposal to the board for inclusion in the meeting minutes and we'll look forward to following up with you.

[Speaker 5] (29:43 - 29:43)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (29:43 - 29:44)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 6] (29:44 - 29:49)
And also the longest touchdown I've ever gotten tackle football is 85 yards.

[Speaker 2] (29:53 - 29:53)
That was amazing.

[Speaker 3] (29:53 - 29:54)
Connor, great job.

[Speaker 2] (29:59 - 29:59)
And I've you done.

[Speaker 3] (29:59 - 30:01)
seen him in action, he is a very good football player.

[Speaker 4] (30:04 - 30:09)
Uh good evening. Um I'm Darrell Smith. Uh I'm not a resident of Swampscott. Uh I'm

[Speaker 4] (30:09 - 30:16)
I'm a business owner of thirty three years in town at uh on Humphrey Street. I had my dental practice there.

[Speaker 4] (30:16 - 30:34)
Um I was here about a month ago uh when Cedar Hill was being discussed about changes to parking rules. Uh I kinda just wanted to update you what's happened. So since then they've painted some lines at the corner, that corner where everything was a mess has been improved.

[Speaker 4] (30:35 - 30:47)
Um and they have they haven't improved the signage. They haven't cut some of the branches higher up on Cedar Hill that would make it a lot easier for street parking.

[Speaker 4] (30:48 - 30:52)
Um and they have really started enforcing.

[Speaker 4] (30:53 - 31:01)
Uh so I've got a half-dozen tickets of my staff. Uh in thirty three years I've never gotten a parking ticket parking on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 4] (31:02 - 31:24)
I've always, it's always been pro-business. Um a couple times cops have asked me to move cars or do this or that and we've always complied. Um since the new rules at the uh at by the pier parking have gone into effect, those are being enforced. I've been there

[Speaker 4] (31:25 - 31:33)
Three or four times between eleven and two o'clock during the day, and there's twenty open spots. There's lots of parking there.

[Speaker 4] (31:34 - 31:43)
Um I have twelve spots in my own, in my own business, which is probably pretty a lot for Humphrey Street. Um

[Speaker 4] (31:44 - 31:45)
but

[Speaker 4] (31:45 - 32:03)
We have a v very busy practice, lots of patients, we leave the parking at my place open for customers so that p you know people can access dental care. Um so the new rules have made it really difficult for my staff, 'cause I asked them to park somewhere else.

[Speaker 4] (32:03 - 32:08)
In the past it hasn't been a problem, lately it is. You had mentioned that

[Speaker 4] (32:08 - 32:32)
There might be a forum or some discussion, public discussion about what to do with parking. You know, it could be simple as some sort of pass so that my staff could park on the street. There's a two hour limit, so some of these tickets are over the two hour limits. I've also had a couple patients get parking tickets, because some of them come for longer than two hours.

[Speaker 4] (32:32 - 32:53)
Um so enforcement is working uh but it's it's for the first time in thirty three years it's now tough for my team to find parking. So uh you mentioned the public forum to discuss the issue uh give me a call when you wanna put something together and I'll I'll get involved in that. So I'd like to

[Speaker 4] (32:54 - 33:03)
Find out some way to make it accommodating for businesses that have employees and don't want to be shut out from parking on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 4] (33:04 - 33:11)
There's lots of parking at that end of the street that, you know, seems like there's always a spot available.

[Speaker 4] (33:11 - 33:18)
So it's never really been a problem until enforcement and the new rule at the...

[Speaker 4] (33:20 - 33:24)
you know, by the beach parking. So thanks for hearing me out.

[Speaker 5] (33:24 - 33:25)
Thank you, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (33:25 - 33:25)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (33:25 - 33:25)
Your

[Speaker 4] (33:25 - 33:26)
Daryl Smith and

[Speaker 6] (33:34 - 33:41)
Hi, Dennis Phelan. I'm at 19 Thomas Road. I guess I just want to start off by thanking everybody just here and just in town.

[Speaker 6] (33:41 - 33:47)
I'm having a great summer and I think a lot of it's due to a lot of really great things that's happened.

[Speaker 6] (33:47 - 33:48)
I've been all over Phillips Beach.

[Speaker 6] (33:49 - 33:50)
They've got the mats down.

[Speaker 6] (33:50 - 33:52)
The beach has been great. The lifeguards have been really helpful.

[Speaker 6] (33:53 - 33:54)
And,

[Speaker 6] (33:54 - 33:54)
you know.

[Speaker 6] (33:55 - 34:04)
You know, that the beach is, you know, the weather's been perfect for that and, you know, I've been able to take advantage of that. I've also taken advantage, uh, you know, being right next to town hall,

[Speaker 6] (34:04 - 34:10)
all the different activities. Um going to the the farmer's market, you know, Danielle deserves a lot of credit for getting it going. It's a,

[Speaker 6] (34:10 - 34:13)
you know, packed, a lot of people there,

[Speaker 6] (34:13 - 34:20)
get some wonderful fish and vegetables and stuff. Um, pride day was great. Um, this afternoon I hung out

[Speaker 6] (34:20 - 34:22)
Watch the soccer game,

[Speaker 6] (34:22 - 34:25)
big crowd, kids were all over the place, went to the Mexico game,

[Speaker 6] (34:25 - 34:29)
youth soccer sponsored free ice cream for the kids. They were having a great time.

[Speaker 6] (34:29 - 34:33)
So as all the different struggles that people have,

[Speaker 6] (34:33 - 34:36)
I just want to let people know that there's a lot of really good things in town.

[Speaker 6] (34:37 - 34:38)
And that part of town,

[Speaker 6] (34:38 - 34:46)
town hall and where we're going has really developed into a really strong community area that a lot of us are really enjoying.

[Speaker 6] (34:46 - 35:12)
going that being said you know i've talked to a lot of my neighbors just around all the changes and stuff there have been some issues with parking and other stuff but there also been a lot of benefits and i'm here today to put a pitch in for the entertainment license for the hawthorne that part of town has grown and developed is great food friends from atlanta came in they you know got some pizza at volvo's they loved it one of the best pies they ever had

[Speaker 6] (35:13 - 35:21)
You know, so we've got a lot of positive stuff going on and I think it's important for us to realize that that part of town has changed when I first moved to Swampstown. It was pretty dead.

[Speaker 6] (35:23 - 35:34)
There was parking issues in the senior center, you know, Caribbean night on Wednesday nights, everyone came out, you know, there was a little bit of parking issues with that, but that was it, you know, and now we've got a lot more activities, a lot of really positive stuff,

[Speaker 6] (35:35 - 35:37)
and I think we need to keep the ball rolling with that.

[Speaker 6] (35:37 - 35:40)
I understand and I think we need to look at some of the concerns of the neighbors,

[Speaker 6] (35:40 - 35:43)
but being a neighbor over there and talking to a lot of our neighbors,

[Speaker 6] (35:43 - 35:50)
a lot of people are really excited about this, and a lot of people, although we want to, you know, make sure that everyone's concerns are heard.

[Speaker 6] (35:50 - 36:16)
I also want to express that many of the neighbours in that, you know, are excited about this opportunity to be able to get some cultural uh activities going in there and continue the the positive momentum um stuff going at the library. I mean it's just a great part of town and I'm so excited, you know, after m being there for twenty some odd years, this is the most exciting, you know, time for that area. And I think, you know, hopefully with the hotel and everything else

[Speaker 6] (36:16 - 36:41)
you know the beaches being clean I mean you know great job in terms of you know the work and trying to make sure that King's Beach is clean let's try to continue this momentum and just I wanted to kind of express that a lot of us residents in that area are very grateful for all the hard work by so many people to make it a great place to be and I'm just glad that I live where I live and be part of this town and for all those you

[Speaker 8] (36:41 - 36:42)
know

[Speaker 6] (36:41 - 36:51)
the PW everywhere else in town and for this board to all the hard work that people have put in have really made a big difference and most of us haven't enjoyed it's one of the best summers I've had in a while thank you

[Speaker 7] (36:51 - 36:51)
Thank you

[Speaker 9] (36:58 - 37:01)
Hi, good evening Charlie Patsy was 130 Atlantic Ave here in town

[Speaker 9] (37:02 - 37:07)
Normally people come here and address the select board because they want some they want you to do something

[Speaker 9] (37:08 - 37:34)
I'm here tonight to say thank you for being here many many nights late not always thanked I'm here to thank you thank each and every one of you thank you I also realize that you're trying to get more done and with less and that's not an easy thing and we're trying to balance the needs of our seniors trying to our youth our schools all our services and it's a tough thing to do

[Speaker 9] (37:35 - 37:36)
And we're running out of money.

[Speaker 9] (37:36 - 37:37)
Quite frankly,

[Speaker 9] (37:37 - 37:40)
it's tough to make bricks without straw.

[Speaker 9] (37:41 - 37:41)
It's really,

[Speaker 9] (37:41 - 37:42)
it's a difficult challenge.

[Speaker 9] (37:43 - 37:46)
I know that one of the things you're going to be talking about tonight is the Hawthorne.

[Speaker 9] (37:47 - 37:51)
I could tell you from, and I don't represent the Board of Assessors here tonight,

[Speaker 9] (37:51 - 37:56)
but I think like one, and I'm the member of the board, but again,

[Speaker 9] (37:56 - 38:01)
I am not here in that capacity. The revenue that you can realize from a Hawthorne.

[Speaker 9] (38:01 - 38:18)
Hawthorne development no matter what the development is other than open space which might not please everyone but if we want to run our schools and we want to build a senior center we want to build a better community and infrastructure to be strong and dependable we need revenue

[Speaker 9] (38:19 - 38:32)
Uh I'm estimating the revenue from a Hadley Hawthorne redevelopment somewhere in the vicinity of $1.1 to $1.5 million between real estate taxes,

[Speaker 9] (38:33 - 38:35)
meals tax and room tax.

[Speaker 9] (38:36 - 38:38)
That's a significant amount of money.

[Speaker 9] (38:38 - 38:40)
The planning board is very capable.

[Speaker 9] (38:40 - 38:44)
We have a very very well staffed and educated planning board.

[Speaker 9] (38:44 - 38:48)
I think if you lean on them with the cooperation of the select board

[Speaker 9] (38:49 - 39:12)
and zoning you'll be able to come come up with something that will address the needs of the city actually excuse me the needs of the town in a very deliberate and thoughtful way that addresses the needs of not only the youth but also the senior and everyone in between and our infrastructure that we that we all depend on businesses as well as residents so again I appreciate what you do an easy job

[Speaker 9] (39:13 - 39:15)
And I want to just say thank you sincerely.

[Speaker 9] (39:16 - 39:17)
It's not easy.

[Speaker 9] (39:18 - 39:20)
And tonight will be proven.

[Speaker 9] (39:20 - 39:21)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (39:21 - 39:22)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (39:32 - 39:34)
I'm Tanya Lillick. I'm the chair of the Open Space Committee,

[Speaker 10] (39:34 - 39:43)
and I am here tonight to address the Hawthorne, the RFP, and obviously as being the chair of the Open Space Committee,

[Speaker 10] (39:43 - 39:44)
we are...

[Speaker 1] (39:49 - 39:55)
I believe a lot of residents felt that this was something that they voted for at town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (39:55 - 39:57)
A lot has happened since then,

[Speaker 1] (39:57 - 40:02)
but I'd like to just talk about some of the things that would be important in terms of open space.

[Speaker 1] (40:03 - 40:05)
Swampscott is a very small town.

[Speaker 1] (40:05 - 40:31)
we have lost open space which I will talk about in a little bit but it is important that we just don't pave over everything we definitely need to think of open space and the greenery and the characteristic town and beautiful town that we have and we just need to keep that this is an opportunity for a beautiful waterfront park gateway jewel to our town and

[Speaker 1] (40:31 - 40:38)
Once we've done something to it, it is very hard to go back once we've put any sort of sizable structure on there.

[Speaker 1] (40:39 - 40:45)
So I just wanted to talk about a few things that have happened over the years in terms of open space being lost.

[Speaker 1] (40:47 - 41:00)
So the town had failed to buy the extensive one Salem Street property adjacent to the current middle school and to Desco Golf Course despite the vote at town meeting urging the town to do so for the reasonable price of $600,000.

[Speaker 1] (41:02 - 41:23)
um the campaign was initiated to convince voters the property was too expensive and unfortunately no no open space was gained there the town purchased the formal Temple Israel property on Humphreys Street for 3.5 million and sold it in the end to a developer and a part to a butters and again no option for open space

[Speaker 1] (41:24 - 41:26)
The former Swanscot High School on Greenwood,

[Speaker 1] (41:27 - 41:34)
it was donated to the town by Phillips family specifically for a school, but in the end the town sold it to a developer,

[Speaker 1] (41:34 - 41:37)
effectively giving the property away.

[Speaker 1] (41:37 - 41:42)
Again, no open space, and this is the highest hill in Swanscot with commanding views of the ocean.

[Speaker 1] (41:43 - 41:49)
And the new Swanscot High School here was built on open space with the promise of...

[Speaker 1] (41:49 - 41:53)
Compensating open space being provided elsewhere in town,

[Speaker 1] (41:53 - 41:55)
this promise was never fulfilled.

[Speaker 1] (41:56 - 41:58)
More recently, the White Corps property,

[Speaker 1] (41:58 - 41:59)
again,

[Speaker 1] (41:59 - 42:04)
not being able to be purchased by the town or have it be open space.

[Speaker 1] (42:04 - 42:08)
And then finally, with the conversion of the Hadley School,

[Speaker 1] (42:08 - 42:09)
Hadley Hotel,

[Speaker 1] (42:10 - 42:14)
and we will also be losing open space with regards to the playground there.

[Speaker 1] (42:14 - 42:19)
We really feel that the Hadley Hotel is going to be a great thing,

[Speaker 1] (42:19 - 42:21)
that very bringing in a lot of revenue,

[Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:23)
and I think the compliments...

[Speaker 1] (42:22 - 42:41)
complimentary part of the hawthorn will be something that will be will draw visitors in also keeping in mind that those lots of revenue that can be generated with a park we talked about lynch park as being you know weddings that sort of thing so we can't rule out the fact that there will be revenue generated by this park

[Speaker 1] (42:42 - 42:51)
So I just would like to ask you to consider this when you are talking and discussing about the RFP tonight and I'd appreciate you taking the time to hear me out.

[Speaker 1] (42:51 - 42:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (43:01 - 43:01)
Jean Collins.

[Speaker 2] (43:01 - 43:06)
I'm a 35-year resident. I've never, ever been to a town hall.

[Speaker 2] (43:06 - 43:08)
So I'm very excited to be here.

[Speaker 2] (43:08 - 43:10)
And thank you. Yeah, never too late.

[Speaker 2] (43:10 - 43:14)
And I kind of wanted to talk a little bit about something I've seen,

[Speaker 2] (43:14 - 43:17)
kind of jumping on what this gentleman said,

[Speaker 2] (43:17 - 43:18)
but a little bit differently.

[Speaker 2] (43:19 - 43:23)
I am so excited about how many people are walking to our downtown area.

[Speaker 2] (43:23 - 43:25)
I live on 84 Puritan Road.

[Speaker 2] (43:25 - 43:27)
My sons and I will be on the porch.

[Speaker 2] (43:26 - 43:49)
porch having something and tons of people walking by to go downtown it's really exciting I mean I have friends like you said you know that are coming to just be here I feel that no matter what we do down the line with the property and I do respect the open space I really do

[Speaker 2] (43:50 - 43:57)
I think right now there's this great opportunity, like they said, to have this amazing cultural space and I can't wait to walk there.

[Speaker 2] (43:58 - 44:01)
I really can't. I drive in Boston.

[Speaker 2] (44:01 - 44:03)
I pay $40 to park,

[Speaker 2] (44:03 - 44:04)
$100 to do this.

[Speaker 2] (44:04 - 44:09)
I'm going to be able to walk. I'm going to be able to have my friends park in my driveway and we're going to be able to walk down.

[Speaker 2] (44:10 - 44:15)
We're going to be able to go to little G or G and then go to the lounge or the comedy stuff.

[Speaker 2] (44:15 - 44:20)
And I just I think it's becoming a walking town and I just love that.

[Speaker 2] (44:20 - 44:25)
So I just wanted to say that and how excited I am about the whole thing. And I can't wait to see what.

[Speaker 2] (44:24 - 44:25)
see what they're going to have there.

[Speaker 2] (44:26 - 44:26)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1] (44:27 - 44:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (44:35 - 44:37)
Hi, I'm Ed Masman,

[Speaker 3] (44:37 - 44:38)
70 Nathan Road.

[Speaker 3] (44:38 - 44:39)
You know,

[Speaker 3] (44:39 - 44:41)
I haven't prepared anything,

[Speaker 3] (44:41 - 44:49)
but I heard about the meeting, and I'm really excited about what could be developed at the Hawthorne site with the entertainment.

[Speaker 3] (44:50 - 44:55)
And, you know, if you look at what we have downtown now in the restaurants,

[Speaker 3] (44:55 - 44:57)
they seem to be doing really well.

[Speaker 3] (44:57 - 45:00)
You know, I don't own them, but the dockside has been great.

[Speaker 3] (45:01 - 45:01)
Jeez,

[Speaker 3] (45:01 - 45:02)
it has been great.

[Speaker 3] (45:02 - 45:08)
And just to add more to what we have here and I respect the open space,

[Speaker 3] (45:08 - 45:11)
but, you know, we have three great beaches here.

[Speaker 3] (45:11 - 45:13)
You know, Phillips Beach is amazing,

[Speaker 3] (45:13 - 45:17)
right? And you go down to fishermen.

[Speaker 3] (45:18 - 45:27)
Beach on a Saturday night Friday and people that are having a good time with the bonfires and stuff so it's it's really good and you know

[Speaker 3] (45:28 - 45:30)
As everybody knows in this town,

[Speaker 3] (45:30 - 45:31)
we're becoming an island.

[Speaker 3] (45:31 - 45:33)
Getting out of this town,

[Speaker 3] (45:33 - 45:39)
getting to this town is really tough and it's going to get worse when they redevelop the Linway.

[Speaker 3] (45:40 - 45:45)
So I think we need to have more development in town so we have more to do here.

[Speaker 3] (45:45 - 45:50)
And, you know, I'm really in support of it and hopefully it goes through.

[Speaker 3] (45:50 - 45:51)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (45:57 - 45:57)
Please.

[Speaker 4] (46:00 - 46:01)
Mr. Watson is approaching.

[Speaker 4] (46:01 - 46:04)
I will read a public comment that I received via email.

[Speaker 4] (46:05 - 46:07)
This is from Catherine Wilson,

[Speaker 4] (46:07 - 46:09)
Precinct 3 Elmwood Road.

[Speaker 4] (46:09 - 46:10)
Dear Select Board,

[Speaker 4] (46:10 - 46:14)
I'm writing to express my support for a full entertainment license at the new Swamp Scott Performing Arts Center.

[Speaker 4] (46:15 - 46:15)
Recently,

[Speaker 4] (46:15 - 46:20)
I made a call to the Swamp Scott PD requesting that they ask Mission on the Bay to lower the music.

[Speaker 4] (46:20 - 46:22)
The police went into Mission on the Bay, however,

[Speaker 4] (46:22 - 46:25)
never asked them to take action and lower the muting, excuse me, lower the music.

[Speaker 4] (46:25 - 46:32)
I watched the June 3rd select board meeting and the owner of the new establishment made it clear he would abide with keeping his music and sound within his property.

[Speaker 4] (46:32 - 46:40)
I'm looking forward to having this new establishment in town and would appreciate it if the select board would grant them a full license equal to any other establishment in the area with appreciation.

[Speaker 4] (46:40 - 46:41)
Catherine Wilson.

[Speaker 4] (46:42 - 46:43)
Please go ahead.

[Speaker 5] (46:44 - 46:46)
Excuse me, Brian Watson,

[Speaker 5] (46:46 - 46:47)
20 Oak Road.

[Speaker 5] (46:47 - 46:52)
In listening to people's comments, it struck me that a number of people...

[Speaker 5] (46:53 - 47:15)
sort of take a position that has to that the development of the Hawthorne site has to be all one thing or all another thing you know people talk about all a park or all green space and and refer to anything else as paving over the lot and I think I think a way for the town to think about the site is it's 1.4 acres and we can do more than one thing

[Speaker 5] (47:17 - 47:19)
I think our professional staff,

[Speaker 5] (47:19 - 47:31)
Margie and Krista, would testify to the fact that the survey of about 550 people split relatively even between people who preferred more open space and people who preferred a hybrid,

[Speaker 5] (47:31 - 47:32)
which would have some development.

[Speaker 5] (47:33 - 47:35)
I think that...

[Speaker 5] (47:35 - 47:42)
A careful development could satisfy a lot of the desires of the majority of townspeople.

[Speaker 5] (47:42 - 47:44)
For example,

[Speaker 5] (47:44 - 47:53)
some of the plans of the Hawthorne Committee showed 50 or 60 percent park toward the ocean side of the...

[Speaker 5] (47:54 - 48:20)
of the site we were very sensitive to people's desires for preserving a view and for having a significant amount of green space at the same time our committee felt with exception of one person our committee felt that we could also get substantial revenue if buildings were were gathered either along the street or perpendicular to the street but in relationship to the streetscape and the economic corridor that exists so so I think

[Speaker 5] (48:20 - 48:30)
I think our town can kind of do both and come up with a plan that's not a compromise. It would be strengthened because it does both.

[Speaker 5] (48:30 - 48:32)
We could reinforce...

[Speaker 5] (48:33 - 48:47)
good town planning by strengthening the identity of the Humphrey Street intersection there at Humphrey and Reddington. It's a very important intersection and it would be a natural to build some streetscape or a courtyard if people don't want buildings hard on the street.

[Speaker 5] (48:47 - 48:50)
There are a number of ways you can arrange a bunch of buildings,

[Speaker 5] (48:50 - 48:51)
20,000,

[Speaker 5] (48:51 - 48:58)
30,000 square feet of buildings and then the town would have 50 or 60 percent of the site,

[Speaker 5] (48:58 - 48:59)
that's more than half.

[Speaker 5] (48:58 - 49:26)
half from from the buildings back to to be a park and that's where the park wants to be if if if you had 100 town planners in here I think they'd they'd feel like making the entire site a park would in fact be inappropriate we have a lot of open space across the street and it would look strange it wouldn't look like part of a streetscape and then the last thing of course is the revenue issue to make if the tower to make the entire site

[Speaker 5] (49:26 - 49:39)
a park it is roughly seven to nine million dollars of public money and there aren't grants available that are going to give us seven to nine million dollars so it's it's sort of a happy coincidence that

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:49)
I mean, I think the hybrid plan can satisfy a lot of the goals that people have expressed.

[Speaker 1] (49:50 - 49:59)
And so I would encourage the board to look at doing many things satisfying many goals and they do happily mesh into a plan.

[Speaker 1] (50:00 - 50:03)
That would that you know that nobody would have to apologize for

[Speaker 1] (50:04 - 50:04)
Thanks

[Speaker 2] (50:10 - 50:11)
Okay, seeing no...

[Speaker 2] (50:11 - 50:12)
No additional comments online.

[Speaker 2] (50:13 - 50:17)
We will move on to the first agenda item,

[Speaker 2] (50:17 - 50:28)
which is the Earth Removal Advisory Committee joint meeting with the select board and the public continuation of the public hearing for the AmRise permit.

[Speaker 2] (50:28 - 50:30)
So do we have the,

[Speaker 2] (50:30 - 50:32)
we do see some members.

[Speaker 2] (50:33 - 50:34)
Iraq here with us tonight.

[Speaker 2] (50:40 - 50:41)
Is it just you?

[Speaker 1] (50:42 - 50:42)
What's that?

[Speaker 2] (50:42 - 50:43)
I said just you tonight?

[Speaker 1] (50:43 - 50:45)
Yes, Joe Markarian,

[Speaker 1] (50:45 - 50:47)
22 Nason Road,

[Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:50)
Chair of the Earth Removal Advisory Committee.

[Speaker 1] (50:51 - 50:53)
You have our recommended permit.

[Speaker 1] (50:53 - 50:57)
There are no changes since we met two weeks ago.

[Speaker 1] (50:57 - 51:11)
So the expectation is that the Select Board would vote on this permit that would allow Amrise now to operate between July 1st of this year into June 30th of next year.

[Speaker 2] (51:11 - 51:12)
Okay, we,

[Speaker 2] (51:12 - 51:18)
you cannot open the public meeting, I mean your joint meeting because you're just one tonight,

[Speaker 2] (51:18 - 51:18)
but we...

[Speaker 2] (51:18 - 51:19)
But we can.

[Speaker 1] (51:19 - 51:21)
we continued our meeting

[Speaker 3] (51:21 - 51:21)
We

[Speaker 1] (51:21 - 51:21)
from

[Speaker 3] (51:21 - 51:21)
continued

[Speaker 1] (51:21 - 51:21)
last

[Speaker 3] (51:21 - 51:22)
it,

[Speaker 2] (51:22 - 51:22)
We

[Speaker 1] (51:22 - 51:22)
week.

[Speaker 2] (51:22 - 51:22)
did, so

[Speaker 1] (51:22 - 51:22)
we Yes.

[Speaker 2] (51:22 - 51:24)
have to open the we have to vote to open them.

[Speaker 1] (51:24 - 51:25)
Well, I don't have a quorum here, so I might.

[Speaker 2] (51:25 - 51:26)
That's what I mean by yes,

[Speaker 1] (51:26 - 51:27)
So I'm figuring

[Speaker 2] (51:27 - 51:27)
so we

[Speaker 1] (51:27 - 51:28)
that our meeting

[Speaker 2] (51:28 - 51:28)
can.

[Speaker 1] (51:28 - 51:32)
is open. It's it remained open at the end of two weeks ago.

[Speaker 1] (51:33 - 51:36)
It's open now. It's going to continue to be open until I meet again with a quorum.

[Speaker 2] (51:37 - 51:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (51:39 - 51:41)
Is George George online?

[Speaker 3] (51:41 - 51:42)
No, we can close it.

[Speaker 2] (51:42 - 51:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (51:42 - 51:43)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (51:43 - 51:43)
I think George

[Speaker 2] (51:43 - 51:45)
online. George is George Allen is online,

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:45)
yes.

[Speaker 2] (51:47 - 51:48)
But he's not yet a

[Speaker 5] (51:48 - 51:48)
He's no longer

[Speaker 2] (51:48 - 51:48)
member

[Speaker 6] (51:48 - 51:48)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (51:48 - 51:48)
a casino yet.

[Speaker 2] (51:48 - 51:50)
of IRAC?

[Speaker 6] (51:50 - 51:51)
He was assigned last night as

[Speaker 4] (51:51 - 51:52)
The planet,

[Speaker 6] (51:52 - 51:52)
the

[Speaker 4] (51:52 - 51:52)
uh

[Speaker 5] (51:52 - 51:53)
We have the vote to have him on the committee.

[Speaker 6] (51:53 - 51:54)
No, board

[Speaker 7] (51:54 - 51:54)
No,

[Speaker 6] (51:54 - 51:54)
of I health,

[Speaker 7] (51:54 - 51:56)
don't think they they choose

[Speaker 9] (51:56 - 51:56)
the board

[Speaker 7] (51:56 - 51:56)
committee

[Speaker 9] (51:56 - 51:56)
of health.

[Speaker 7] (51:56 - 51:56)
heads on

[Speaker 6] (51:56 - 51:58)
yeah, by article board

[Speaker 5] (51:58 - 51:58)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (51:58 - 51:58)
of

[Speaker 5] (51:58 - 51:58)
he's a liaison.

[Speaker 6] (51:58 - 51:59)
health is their own.

[Speaker 5] (51:59 - 51:59)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (51:59 - 51:59)
So yes,

[Speaker 2] (51:59 - 51:59)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (51:59 - 52:00)
he would be.

[Speaker 2] (52:00 - 52:02)
so we have two of what, how big is your committee,

[Speaker 2] (52:02 - 52:02)
five?

[Speaker 7] (52:03 - 52:03)
We still

[Speaker 9] (52:03 - 52:03)
Say

[Speaker 7] (52:03 - 52:03)
need

[Speaker 9] (52:03 - 52:03)
again.

[Speaker 7] (52:03 - 52:04)
three more.

[Speaker 2] (52:04 - 52:04)
How

[Speaker 5] (52:04 - 52:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (52:04 - 52:04)
big?

[Speaker 5] (52:04 - 52:05)
he's

[Speaker 2] (52:05 - 52:07)
You need three members, right? So George

[Speaker 9] (52:07 - 52:07)
We

[Speaker 2] (52:07 - 52:07)
is not a

[Speaker 9] (52:07 - 52:07)
have

[Speaker 2] (52:07 - 52:07)
committee.

[Speaker 9] (52:07 - 52:09)
five voting members,

[Speaker 2] (52:09 - 52:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (52:09 - 52:11)
three appointed by the select board,

[Speaker 9] (52:11 - 52:12)
one is appointed by conservation,

[Speaker 9] (52:12 - 52:14)
one appointed by board of health.

[Speaker 9] (52:14 - 52:14)
health

[Speaker 2] (52:14 - 52:15)
Yep. So we still have enough,

[Speaker 5] (52:15 - 52:15)
We

[Speaker 2] (52:15 - 52:16)
we

[Speaker 5] (52:16 - 52:16)
still

[Speaker 2] (52:16 - 52:16)
he doesn't

[Speaker 5] (52:16 - 52:16)
don't have a quorum.

[Speaker 2] (52:16 - 52:17)
still have enough for a quorum.

[Speaker 9] (52:17 - 52:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (52:18 - 52:22)
Um, but we should, can we open the public hearing,

[Speaker 2] (52:22 - 52:22)
Nick?

[Speaker 5] (52:23 - 52:24)
It's continued.

[Speaker 2] (52:24 - 52:25)
It's just continued.

[Speaker 5] (52:25 - 52:25)
We never

[Speaker 2] (52:25 - 52:25)
So close we

[Speaker 5] (52:25 - 52:25)
it.

[Speaker 2] (52:25 - 52:29)
never closed it, but we should close it and then we should take the vote to support.

[Speaker 5] (52:29 - 52:29)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (52:29 - 52:29)
But

[Speaker 5] (52:29 - 52:29)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (52:29 - 52:34)
if there's public comment to be made regarding the earth removal permit,

[Speaker 2] (52:34 - 52:36)
now would be the time for that.

[Speaker 2] (52:36 - 52:40)
So if you have specific public comment specific to the MRIs permit.

[Speaker 2] (52:43 - 52:44)
Okay, seeing none.

[Speaker 2] (52:45 - 52:52)
Questions from the board regarding anything that was not answered last time.

[Speaker 6] (52:54 - 52:57)
No, I am in support of passing this.

[Speaker 6] (52:58 - 53:01)
Joe spoke at the Board of Health meeting.

[Speaker 6] (53:02 - 53:10)
Joe spoke at the Board of Health meeting last night and I think everyone's in agreement Joe if you want to fill the select board in with some of the things you talked about last night maybe that's helpful.

[Speaker 9] (53:11 - 53:12)
Well,

[Speaker 9] (53:12 - 53:13)
very quickly,

[Speaker 9] (53:13 - 53:23)
part of the discussion has been this Board of Health is more focused on the quarry and the quarry activities than prior boards of health.

[Speaker 9] (53:23 - 53:28)
Just a matter of what a board of health chooses to focus on. There's nothing other than that.

[Speaker 9] (53:28 - 53:35)
And what we decided was that the Board of Health might do best to have one of its members as a voting member of ERAC.

[Speaker 9] (53:36 - 53:38)
So to accommodate that,

[Speaker 9] (53:38 - 53:41)
our John Piccarello, who was appointed by Board of Health previously,

[Speaker 9] (53:41 - 53:48)
resigned, hopefully to be appointed by you folks into the open seat that you have an appointment power on.

[Speaker 9] (53:48 - 53:55)
And George Allen was appointed to be the Board of Health rep.

[Speaker 9] (53:55 - 53:59)
rep on on ERAC. So now we have a full complement of five voting members which is good.

[Speaker 2] (53:59 - 53:59)
Excellent.

[Speaker 5] (53:59 - 54:00)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (54:01 - 54:04)
Okay, does the board have any additional questions regarding the permit?

[Speaker 7] (54:05 - 54:07)
I would be happy to make a motion

[Speaker 2] (54:07 - 54:07)
I

[Speaker 7] (54:07 - 54:07)
to approve

[Speaker 2] (54:07 - 54:07)
would be happy

[Speaker 7] (54:07 - 54:08)
the

[Speaker 2] (54:08 - 54:08)
to hear that motion.

[Speaker 7] (54:08 - 54:09)
MRA's

[Speaker 5] (54:09 - 54:09)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (54:09 - 54:10)
uh permit as presented.

[Speaker 5] (54:11 - 54:11)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (54:12 - 54:15)
Okay. Um all in favor of

[Speaker 5] (54:15 - 54:15)
Oh, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2] (54:15 - 54:15)
awarding?

[Speaker 5] (54:16 - 54:16)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 2] (54:16 - 54:18)
That's okay, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 5] (54:18 - 54:18)
Disobey the dad.

[Speaker 2] (54:18 - 54:19)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 5] (54:19 - 54:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (54:20 - 54:20)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (54:20 - 54:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (54:21 - 54:22)
so that we,

[Speaker 2] (54:22 - 54:24)
the permit has passed.

[Speaker 2] (54:24 - 54:26)
Now we need to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 5] (54:26 - 54:27)
Motion to close.

[Speaker 7] (54:28 - 54:28)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (54:28 - 54:29)
All in favor?

[Speaker 5] (54:29 - 54:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (54:29 - 54:30)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (54:30 - 54:30)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (54:30 - 54:31)
great.

[Speaker 2] (54:31 - 54:36)
So the permit will remain until next year.

[Speaker 2] (54:36 - 54:41)
And, you know, I do know that George had some ideas from the public health perspective about,

[Speaker 2] (54:41 - 54:41)
you

[Speaker 9] (54:41 - 54:42)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (54:42 - 54:42)
know.

[Speaker 2] (54:43 - 54:47)
changes to the permit so hopefully now we have the runway to see if any of those can be instituted in the future.

[Speaker 9] (54:47 - 54:55)
Those discussions are just starting with MRIs and I expect that we'll we're going to get on that fast.

[Speaker 2] (54:55 - 54:57)
Thank you so much. Thanks Joe for Thanks bringing us

[Speaker 6] (54:57 - 54:57)
Joe.

[Speaker 2] (54:57 - 54:58)
in and all your remarks.

[Speaker 6] (54:58 - 54:59)
Thank you very much for your hard work.

[Speaker 2] (54:59 - 55:00)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 2] (55:00 - 55:07)
All right, moving on now to the joint meeting and public hearing for the master plan adoption with the planning board.

[Speaker 6] (55:07 - 55:12)
Just a quick question for do we need to sign this tonight electronically?

[Speaker 2] (55:12 - 55:16)
Conan, do we need to, are you electronically affixing our signatures to the permit?

[Speaker 5] (55:18 - 55:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (55:19 - 55:20)
And we vote to give Sharon

[Speaker 6] (55:20 - 55:21)
That's what I was

[Speaker 2] (55:21 - 55:21)
a going variation.

[Speaker 6] (55:21 - 55:21)
to ask. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (55:22 - 55:23)
So do you want to make a motion?

[Speaker 6] (55:23 - 55:29)
Sure, I make a motion that uh sh uh we allow electronic a fixture of our signatures onto the contract. The permit.

[Speaker 2] (55:30 - 55:30)
The permit.

[Speaker 5] (55:31 - 55:31)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (55:31 - 55:32)
All in favour?

[Speaker 5] (55:32 - 55:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (55:32 - 55:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (55:32 - 55:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (55:32 - 55:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (55:32 - 55:33)
Okay, thanks Wayne.

[Speaker 2] (55:35 - 55:39)
Alright, so um would you guys like to go?

[Speaker 6] (55:40 - 55:42)
Yeah, how do you want to go? The procedure, you want us to open the

[Speaker 7] (55:42 - 55:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (55:42 - 55:42)
power here?

[Speaker 6] (55:42 - 55:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (55:43 - 55:43)
That'd be great.

[Speaker 6] (55:53 - 55:54)
Seventeenth.

[Speaker 2] (55:54 - 55:55)
Seventeenth.

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of behind on the hearing of the bling board to hear uh uh the stormwater master plan and uh to hopefully approve the same.

[Speaker 2] (56:05 - 56:05)
Excellent.

[Speaker 2] (56:06 - 56:07)
Do we have to vote to enter there?

[Speaker 2] (56:08 - 56:10)
We have to vote to open the public hearing.

[Speaker 6] (56:10 - 56:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (56:10 - 56:10)
So

[Speaker 6] (56:10 - 56:10)
yeah, second,

[Speaker 2] (56:10 - 56:11)
I'll take a motion

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Motion.

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to open the public hearing.

[Speaker 9] (56:13 - 56:13)
So moved.

[Speaker 10] (56:13 - 56:13)
Move.

[Speaker 6] (56:13 - 56:14)
second, whatever.

[Speaker 2] (56:15 - 56:15)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (56:15 - 56:16)
all in favor?

[Speaker 9] (56:16 - 56:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (56:16 - 56:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (56:16 - 56:16)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (56:16 - 56:17)
Aye? Okay.

[Speaker 2] (56:17 - 56:22)
So now your meeting's open and the public hearing's open and now we can hear all the great things

[Speaker 9] (56:22 - 56:22)
I

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that you

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think will start with you.

[Speaker 11] (56:24 - 56:26)
Um, so okay great.

[Speaker 11] (56:26 - 56:29)
This is on. So good evening members of the select board,

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members of the planning board and members of the public.

[Speaker 11] (56:32 - 56:34)
For the record, my name is Krista McAha,

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senior town planner for the town of Swampscott.

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I'm joined this evening by Marzi, director of economic and community development, and Carlos Montanez from the Metropolitan Area Planning Council,

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who is joining us remotely.

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Tonight we're pleased to present the final draft of the Swampscott Master Plan 2035 for consideration by the Planning Board for adoption and by the Select Board for endorsement.

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The separate represents approximately 18 months of collaboration among MAPC, the master plan advisory committee,

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town boards and committees,

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town staff,

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and most importantly, residents of Swampscott.

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The document before you this evening reflects a shared vision for the future of our community and provides a framework to help guide planning,

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policy,

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and investment decisions in the years ahead.

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So if you could move on to the next slide.

[Speaker 11] (57:23 - 57:23)
Thank you.

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So before going any further, I would like to thank everyone who contributed to this process.

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That's including the 27 members of the Master Plan Advisory Committee,

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our town boards and committees,

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community organizations,

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town staff,

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stakeholders,

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and the many residents who shared their time,

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ideas,

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and feedback throughout the process.

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This plan was shaped through extensive public engagement and reflects the priorities, values,

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and aspirations noted by the community over the past 18 months.

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While MAPC provided technical expertise and facilitated the planning process,

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the vision goals and recommendations contained in the plan are rooted in the input received from the community.

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So the final draft report that we are focusing on tonight has been made available on the community development page on the town's website.

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We look forward to working to advance the community's vision and to thoughtfully implement the plan's goals and recommendations in the years ahead.

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And at this point, I would like to turn the presentation over to Carlos, who will walk us through the final plan,

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the community vision,

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and all the implementation work.

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Good evening, members of the Planning and Select Boards. I'm Carlos Montes.

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I'm a principal planner at MAPC,

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and thank you for this opportunity.

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Now I'll quickly map the six macro steps that brought us to tonight.

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We started with a, if you could advance the slide, thank you. We started with a community survey in 2024.

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We moved through three public forums and six advisory group working sessions.

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We had a planning board preview in January of this year and then we had a public comment period for the draft that ran between March 2nd and April 18th.

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And we transmitted the final report on May 15th to the town.

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The comment period was extended twice to make sure that the community had ample access and town planning staff actively recirculated materials throughout the extended window.

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15 respondents...

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I'll come back to those later.

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Before getting into what the plan says,

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let me set the frame for what kind of document the master plan actually is.

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Next slide please.

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This is probably the most important framing point in the whole presentation.

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Adopting this plan tonight does not legally require the town to do any specific thing.

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It is not a zoning regulation.

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What it does is give every board,

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every department, and every committee at Swampscott a shared framework for making decisions.

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Our working definition of consensus throughout this process was that not that everyone agrees on every single point,

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but that the community can collectively live with the direction and move forward together,

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and that is what this plan reflects.

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Town staff retain final discretion on which recommendations to pursue and when.

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The recommended Master Plan Implementation Committee would perform the role of keeping Master Plan ideas alive on a regular basis throughout the 10-year plan horizon.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:49 - 1:00:54)
So what does that direction actually look like? I'll show you on the next slide the community's North Star.

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So this is an abbreviated version of the vision statement,

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and there were six themes that came out of this process as things that Swampfoot said matter the most. These were preserved identity rooted in maritime heritage,

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thriving and affordable neighborhoods.

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vibrant economic hubs at Humphrey Street,

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Lennon Square,

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Anthony's Pier 4,

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and the Hadley School sustainability and mobility,

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public gathering spaces,

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and transparent equitable governance.

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The community rated this vision statement during the public comment period by giving it for a 4.2 out of 5 on average.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:41 - 1:02:07)
12 of the 14 respondents who gave it a four which is a strong fit and or they gave it a five for an excellent fit not one person rated it below three that is not a unanimous agreement on every detail but it is a strong signal of foundational consensus around the general direction now on the next slide let me show you the structure the plan uses to get there

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The master plan is substantial,

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but it's also organized in a way that makes it usable.

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There's one vision statement that flows into 10 cross-topic themes that cover eight main planning focus areas.

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There are 42 goals with 96 strategies,

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35 of them being priority,

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and 247 recommended actions.

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116 of which carry some priority designation.

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Here's how the work sequence is.

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In the next three years, approximately from 2026 to 2028,

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there are 76 actions in total,

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47 of those designated as some level of priority.

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That is what the town could focus on first.

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The middle period from 2029 to 2032 has 125 actions with 57 of those having some priority designation.

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The longer-term phase through 2035 has 46 actions with 12 of those being some level of priority.

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The phasing is deliberate.

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Front load the urgent and the achievable.

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build capacity and then tackle the more complex and transformative work once the foundation is in place.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:28 - 1:03:41)
The town's not obligated to do it all and earnestly pursuing a subset of the most compelling priority items could be regarded as a very worthwhile successful endeavor.

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Now on the next slide let's see the eight areas of focus.

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There are eight planning elements but they don't operate in silos.

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The elements are the following,

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economic and community development,

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land use and zoning,

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housing options,

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transportation mobility,

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open space and recreation,

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public services,

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historic and cultural resources and climate and sustainability.

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The plan highlights 10 cross-cutting themes that run across all of those eight elements to make sure that the connections are explicit.

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For example, a decision about stormwater infrastructure is not just a climate win,

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it can also be a land use investment and a public facilities decision at the same time.

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Solutions in one area can also routinely advance multiple priorities simultaneously.

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When we opened the final draft for the public comment period,

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the community weighed in on all of this, and on the next slide it shows some of what came back.

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We opened draft 1.5 for public comment from March 2nd to April 18th and I'll go through who responded and what they said.

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10 of the 15 respondents provided their names and nine identified their organizational affiliations.

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The represented groups included members from the Master Plan Advisory Group,

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the Finance Committee,

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the Climate Action and Resilience Committee,

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Swampscott for All Ages,

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the Council on Aging,

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the Affordable Housing Trust,

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the Community Preservation Committee,

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and the Swampscott Conservancy.

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Two respondents identified as residents without any affiliation.

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And the average respondent spent 78 minutes completing the form, which we interpret as meaningfully engaging with the report and providing us feedback.

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Across the 15 responses,

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we cataloged 56 discrete comment points.

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43 or more were fully or partially incorporated.

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The vision statement was rated 4.2 out of 5.

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The chapter level scores range from 3.8 for open space to 4.4 out of 5 for land use and zoning.

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There were also three priority designations that were reclassified as a direct result in response to the public comment period.

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Let me walk on the next slide we'll walk specifically to what change in the final document.

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So everyone,

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the 247 actions now has a unique ID,

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so the recommended implementation committee can easily track and report progress.

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That change came directly from a comment period request.

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Language was revised across four sections of the plan to more explicitly reflect the community's preference for publicly accessible open space at the Hawthorne Waterfront property.

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Accessibility and inclusive language was improved throughout the report with framing based on the language from the open space chapter.

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And there were three priority reclassifications, and these were green infrastructure for stormwater management was elevated to a high priority,

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open space acquisition was elevated to a medium priority.

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And invasive plant removal was elevated to a medium priority.

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All three of these reclassifications came from public comment period input.

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The plan's overall structure didn't change. There's still 42 goals,

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96 strategies,

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and 247 actions,

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but the priorities were sharpened.

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So on the next slide we'll go through what the plan actually prioritizes first and we'll look at the next three years.

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Infrastructure, so there were 47 priority actions in the first three years organized around four buckets.

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On infrastructure and resilience there's Kings Beach water quality remediation and the EPA consent decree coordination that's front and center.

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alongside seawall protection and green stormwater infrastructure work was elevated to that higher priority.

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On connectivity there's the rail trail construction as anticipated for 2026-2027 that is very near term also safe routes to school implementation and ADA accessibility improvements are also in this window.

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Then on housing and affordability,

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there's the missing middle zoning reform,

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there's the affordable housing trust capacity building,

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and ADU implementation as well as home weatherization outreach.

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And lastly, on economic vitality, there's continued Vin and Square activation work and small business facade improvements as a high priority.

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So these are community-driven priorities that we recorded as part of the process.

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They showed up consistently across 385 survey responses, including 1,800 comments,

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three public forums,

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and almost two years of advisory reporting sessions,

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including input assessment exercises that occurred between the meetings and the working sessions.

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So on the next slide,

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we'll show how none of this starts from zero.

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So we'd like to show you and acknowledge what's been done.

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So this slide is worth pausing on.

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So once it's not starting from scratch I'll only touch on a few examples from the slide.

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On climate and energy,

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there's the Green Community designation continuously in place since 2010.

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Also, in terms of momentum,

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the Climate Leader Community Certification in May 2025,

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one of the first of 19 municipalities in Massachusetts to achieve this. On housing and zoning,

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the ADU Enabling Bylaws passed town meeting in 2022.

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MBTA communities compliance was achieved in 2024 and Vin and Square design guidelines were adopted in January 2024.

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On transportation there's the complete streets funding for ADA curb ramps, sidewalk repairs and traffic calming improvements as well as rail trail is now at a 25% design.

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Our fourth area of momentum and success is economic development, whereby there was a committee established in 2020.

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Approximately $75,000 in facade grants reached eight downtown businesses,

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as well as wayfinding at 12 locations.

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On OpenSpace,

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the ADA playground renovations at Abbott, Jackson,

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and Stanley Parks were completed from 2020 to 2023,

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and Phillips Park had 12 acres permanently protected.

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Lastly, on public services and facilities,

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over $8 million for the public safety building renovation was completed in 2022,

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and there were 2.1 miles of water mains replaced.

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So this is all in acknowledgement and recognition that this plan accelerates that momentum.

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It is building upon that.

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So on our next slide we'd like to show you how do the different parts of the town actually use this plan moving forward.

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So different bodies play different roles, but the cadence is the same. Monthly reference, quarterly reviews,

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and ideally annual reports.

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The planning board could regularly consult the plan during reviews and zoning discussions in order to frame decisions with community consensus from the master plan report as readily available context.

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The select board could consider it for capital investment priorities.

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Department heads could consider it for aligning their annual work plans and programs,

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as well as grant applications,

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in order to reference specific recommended plan action ideas. And the recommended master plan implementation committee could coordinate across departments.

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review some progress every review progress over every quarter and then report on an annual basis to both boards one

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practical point worth naming every grant application that the town submits that references specific plan priorities could make it a stronger application and that could be a really tangible near-term benefit of adoption today

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The single most important first step tonight is establishing that recommended implementation committee and we'll discuss that on the next slide.

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So this is priority number one after tonight and we are recommending it could be in place as early as winter of this year ideally so as to not lose momentum.

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The implementation committee could be a joint volunteer and municipal body.

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Its job could cover quarterly progress reviews,

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cross-department coordination,

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grant opportunity identification,

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and annual reporting to both boards.

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What it is not,

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it's not a new approval layer,

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it's not a veto over town decisions,

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and it's not a replacement for existing boards.

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Final discretion stays with town staff.

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This recommendation was actually carried forward from your prior 2016 master plan.

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It was recommended then and we're restating it now.

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Two greater Boston communities show that it can work.

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Milton created their first version in 2014 and they just revamped it at a special town meeting in October 2025.

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Arlington has had a standing committee doing this work since 1992.

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These are proven capacity strengthening structures.

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Now on our next slide we'll close with what could happen after our completed project.

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MAPC's role concludes tonight and the town's master plan implementation role begins now.

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MAPC we've delivered about 18 months of engagement that 385 response survey with over 1800 comments six working set working group sessions three public forums and that public comment period and tonight's formal transmittal the plan includes a sequenced and prioritized implementation chapter in order to guide the town with where to start first

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What comes next belongs to the towns of Swampscott,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:05 - 1:15:08)
potentially formal adoption tonight,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:09 - 1:15:13)
as well as consideration of that implementation committee formation later in this year.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:13 - 1:15:16)
And now on to our last closing slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:18 - 1:15:20)
Before we open for your questions,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:20 - 1:15:23)
we just want to give you a genuine thank you to all the people who made this possible,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:23 - 1:15:27)
the 27 advisory group members who gave their time and input.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:28 - 1:15:30)
To the planning staff for all of their feedback and responses,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:31 - 1:15:34)
to the hundreds of residents who completed the surveys, attended forums,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:35 - 1:15:39)
and submitted comments, and to the planning board select board for your partnership throughout.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:40 - 1:15:44)
We had liaisons on the master plan advisory committee throughout the entire process.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:45 - 1:15:50)
And now this is Swampstead's plan and we're proud to have served as your planning partner.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:50 - 1:15:54)
So with that, I'll turn it over back to Krista and Marcy and yourselves.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:55 - 1:15:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:57 - 1:15:59)
Great, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:59 - 1:16:04)
I think we will open it up for questions and discussion from both boards.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:07 - 1:16:09)
Hi. I'm just going to start this off,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:09 - 1:16:09)
if that's okay, Katie.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:09 - 1:16:14)
Is that because you have sat on both boards? Or are you the first one to start maybe?

[Speaker 3] (1:16:15 - 1:16:16)
I just think it would be helpful,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:16 - 1:16:22)
I will pass the mic to Angela to give context about what a master plan

[Speaker 3] (1:16:22 - 1:16:38)
How the 2015 master plan was developed, what the 2035 master plan that we're looking at here builds off of, and how in practice this is used by both the planning board but the select board, but from practical experience, I pass that to Angela because she was part of this latest working group,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:38 - 1:16:45)
but also led the 2025 swampscot master plan. So I think that lens will be helpful for us as we have our conversation tonight.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:45 - 1:16:45)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:46 - 1:16:47)
Throwing you under the bus, Angela.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:47 - 1:16:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:48 - 1:16:49)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:50 - 1:16:50)
Thanks, Ted.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:52 - 1:16:57)
It's very exciting to be at the beginning of a brand new master plan.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:57 - 1:17:04)
And I think what's important for most people to understand is that looking at this, it seems very complex and

[Speaker 5] (1:17:05 - 1:17:27)
You know, I would advise that anyone who wants to go through it, just pick a pick a topic and then just read through that. And I think it's very readable and usable and it gives a good sense of direction. We have definitely used the master plan and its its advisements, its recommendations on,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:27 - 1:17:31)
I would say, just about every zoning article that we've.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:31 - 1:17:35)
that we've passed over the past, you know, 12 years,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:35 - 1:17:38)
including right up until now.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:38 - 1:17:41)
In addition, in terms of implementation,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:42 - 1:17:44)
although we didn't have a standing committee,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:44 - 1:17:57)
there were many of us that kept track of the status of all of the strategies and the goals and the actions that were taken on the original master plan that was.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:57 - 1:18:24)
um a 2015 to 2025 master plan. And those ten years really flew by quickly, I'll tell you. But um we do and spec in particular the open um the open space and recreation plan committee which kind of extracted their plan from the master plan, identifiable plans, but they extracted a more detailed plan from the master plan and they to as far as I know to this day still meet monthly.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:24 - 1:18:49)
monthly and update every goal and strategy on their plan and have continued to do so. I'd also say that if I brought my huge paper copy of the implementation schedule from our original plan, you'd see that probably 85% of what we started was either completed or is still ongoing. Other things were deemed not so important or situations changed.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:49 - 1:19:05)
has changed along the way and different uses were taken. But it's been um it's been very well executed upon and I think that we can look at a lot of uh the um the major moves that we've made in town and and um rely on the master plan.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:05 - 1:19:09)
It also gives us a basis for um for just d for direction.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:09 - 1:19:15)
And whenever whether we're thinking about you know establishing an RFP for a particular property or

[Speaker 5] (1:19:15 - 1:19:19)
or where to put a facility or what's really important,

[Speaker 5] (1:19:19 - 1:19:24)
what kind of housing we really need, because we also updated our housing production plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:24 - 1:19:39)
These are really critical documents that have been well-researched, well-discussed, well thought out with a lot of expertise behind them and it's just a wonderful document to use as a guideline.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:39 - 1:19:45)
So I'm very pleased. Thank you very much, Carlos and everyone else on the committee that

[Speaker 1] (1:19:45 - 1:19:46)
that put in so much time.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:46 - 1:19:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:56)
I'm very proud of this and proud of the whole committee and our community development and town planner as well. So thanks for that.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:58 - 1:19:58)
Thank you Angela.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:59 - 1:20:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:01 - 1:20:06)
Does anybody have any questions either for Carlos or for RZ?

[Speaker 4] (1:20:11 - 1:20:17)
Yeah, I have a kind of a ongoing question about the implementation committee part of it. That's not something we had back

[Speaker 1] (1:20:17 - 1:20:17)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:17 - 1:20:17)
back

[Speaker 1] (1:20:17 - 1:20:18)
no,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:18 - 1:20:18)
then.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:18 - 1:20:18)
right.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:18 - 1:20:31)
Um it it's more in line of how do you suggest going, you know, finding the right representation um of members on that potential committee and

[Speaker 4] (1:20:33 - 1:20:47)
understanding that everyone's got different priorities some that I'm sure are strongly in favor of one thing and strongly in favor of another thing how do you how do you see other communities that have gone about it to balance those to give recommendations

[Speaker 1] (1:20:47 - 1:20:51)
Well, I'll let Carlos pipe in on that as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:53 - 1:21:20)
My recommendation having tried to you know struggle through this in the past is it's definitely a lot of work you need and you can't we've tried to do it piecemeal it was really hard to be you know running around to Gino and running around to different committees and trying to get as luckily I you know worked very closely with Marcy and we we connected on so many of the different topics that were in here and you know I had a lot of help from other people to try to keep up and like I said

[Speaker 1] (1:21:19 - 1:21:22)
I said open space carried their own weight,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:22 - 1:21:26)
which was amazing because it touched on many different topics,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:26 - 1:21:27)
not just open space,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:27 - 1:21:33)
but, you know, conservation and recreation and a lot of other, a lot of other areas.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:33 - 1:21:35)
So in any event,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:35 - 1:21:39)
I would look to the individual sections that we cover.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:39 - 1:21:46)
So the main topics that we're covering here and identify who are,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:46 - 1:21:55)
You know, who are the people most likely to be involved in these projects? Is it DPW? Is it, you know, Conservancy? Is it the planning board?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:55 - 1:21:57)
Is it, you know, if it's something that says,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:57 - 1:22:12)
you know, devise new zoning to cover this or that strategy and this, you mean clearly it would be the planning board and maybe members of the select board that would want to be involved in that, but any kind of.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:12 - 1:22:32)
you know zoning would recommendation would ultimately come from us so I think it makes sense just to look at the different areas and and think about who are the constituencies that really would play into this and then look to members from those constituencies and put together a committee based upon that

[Speaker 4] (1:22:32 - 1:22:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:33 - 1:22:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:34 - 1:23:00)
Yeah, just want to say to Wayne for this evening we are looking at so obviously this was presented to us I think the planning board we're looking for the planning board to adopt the plan then the select board to endorse the plan and then the implementation could be early fall or sometime around their mid-fall where we can really think more constructively about what it looks like and how it runs and you know I think your point is well taken that

[Speaker 3] (1:23:03 - 1:23:10)
While yes, you are looking for folks who care about the topics in the master plan, you're also looking for them to be champions of the master plan and not

[Speaker 4] (1:23:10 - 1:23:10)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:10 - 1:23:10)
their own topics.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:10 - 1:23:11)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:11 - 1:23:12)
That's a that's a tough

[Speaker 3] (1:23:12 - 1:23:12)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:23:12 - 1:23:12)
balance.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:12 - 1:23:13)
that's the tough balance that

[Speaker 4] (1:23:13 - 1:23:13)
That's

[Speaker 3] (1:23:13 - 1:23:13)
he's

[Speaker 4] (1:23:13 - 1:23:14)
what I was talking asking the

[Speaker 3] (1:23:14 - 1:23:14)
about,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:14 - 1:23:14)
question.

[Speaker 3] (1:23:14 - 1:23:17)
um so I agree that can be hard.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:17 - 1:23:20)
I can say that we didn't have that experience at all.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:21 - 1:23:28)
I think there was a lot of and you know Tanya could, I don't know if she's still here, but she could definitely speak up to this.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:28 - 1:23:54)
I mean there's definitely a discussion you know during these meetings about you know what should that really you know because everything changes it's fluid right so you put together it's not you know it's not concrete it's something that is very substantial but if you're looking at three different actions that you want to take I mean sometimes just logic and timing and circumstance will dictate what needs to come first and what needs to change and

[Speaker 1] (1:23:54 - 1:24:17)
circumstantia so I mean it's it's normal to have discussion over it I do not recall ever having a problem with someone insisting that this doesn't belong the should not be here we're changing it we're getting rid unless it was by you know mutual agreement because it just wasn't relevant anymore for some reason so that's been my experience

[Speaker 3] (1:24:18 - 1:24:18)
That's great.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:19 - 1:24:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:19 - 1:24:21)
I will plug open.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:21 - 1:24:24)
with space because they follow a very similar pattern

[Speaker 1] (1:24:24 - 1:24:24)
They do.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:24 - 1:24:36)
to the planning I'm sorry to this how the sequence of prioritization and action happen on their board and they are meticulous and

[Speaker 1] (1:24:36 - 1:24:36)
They are.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:36 - 1:24:41)
they you know they have all of their options 2.001 and they say

[Speaker 1] (1:24:41 - 1:24:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:41 - 1:24:44)
where they've gotten on that and then they move on to the next one

[Speaker 1] (1:24:44 - 1:24:45)
It's remarkable,

[Speaker 3] (1:24:45 - 1:24:45)
it's pretty incredible

[Speaker 1] (1:24:45 - 1:24:46)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:46 - 1:24:46)
the way

[Speaker 3] (1:24:46 - 1:24:50)
a little bit more fancy, so just to plug all the hard work you guys are doing. Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:54 - 1:24:55)
So if anybody,

[Speaker 3] (1:24:55 - 1:24:59)
I mean, I don't know where we want to go with this. I'm happy to consider,

[Speaker 3] (1:24:59 - 1:25:04)
you guys have to adopt it before we endorse it. I have a motion if you don't have it in front of you. I can.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:05 - 1:25:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:06 - 1:25:08)
But if folks are ready,

[Speaker 3] (1:25:08 - 1:25:12)
this won't be the last time we're talking about this. This is the gateway to this conversation,

[Speaker 5] (1:25:12 - 1:25:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:12 - 1:25:12)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:25:12 - 1:25:13)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (1:25:13 - 1:25:14)
there's public comment.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:14 - 1:25:14)
I was going to ask.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:14 - 1:25:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:15 - 1:25:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:16 - 1:25:19)
This is a public hearing, so there is public comment.

[Speaker 3] (1:25:19 - 1:25:19)
So please.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:19 - 1:25:20)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:27 - 1:25:28)
Hi folks. I'm Maura Lau.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:29 - 1:25:32)
I sat on the committee and I just wanted to say thank you to Carlos.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:32 - 1:25:39)
I learned so much. I thought it was really, really interesting and his team was fantastic.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:40 - 1:25:46)
Two quick points. I will say there were three public meetings that were pretty weakly attended,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:46 - 1:25:48)
very poorly attended.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:48 - 1:25:53)
So I kind of will point that out only because public comment tonight was so robust and there's

[Speaker 6] (1:25:54 - 1:26:14)
You know obviously everybody has so many interests and we want everything to to land in a positive way for our community but showing up and attending is is really part of it so so I'll kind of give that plug but I'll also just say if everybody on the board could read the in the survey the comments

[Speaker 6] (1:26:15 - 1:26:16)
They're detailed.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:16 - 1:26:21)
They're, you know, they're people took the time. So they may not come to public comment,

[Speaker 6] (1:26:21 - 1:26:23)
but they really took the time to,

[Speaker 6] (1:26:23 - 1:26:25)
you know, write those detailed comments.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:26 - 1:26:28)
And I think that they all really,

[Speaker 6] (1:26:28 - 1:26:35)
you know, need to be read by folks who can make changes and just be aware of people's thought processes.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:35 - 1:26:35)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:26:36 - 1:26:41)
I think that that's a really valuable point. So thank you. It was great serving on it. And again,

[Speaker 6] (1:26:41 - 1:26:45)
Carlos was really a terrific guiding light.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:45 - 1:26:45)
Yep,

[Speaker 6] (1:26:45 - 1:26:46)
I wasn't quite sure how

[Speaker 1] (1:26:46 - 1:26:46)
that was

[Speaker 6] (1:26:46 - 1:26:53)
that process would work, but it was a wonderful learning process. So thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:53 - 1:26:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:26:55 - 1:27:07)
Real real quick too we just you know obviously that the team with Marcy and Krista were terrific, but also I just want to give a quick shout out 'cause Marissa started it, so and she was wonderful at the beginning too.

[Speaker 6] (1:27:07 - 1:27:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:11 - 1:27:18)
To kind of follow up on Maura's comment, I think one thing that was really interesting and that her comment kind of really uh emphasises

[Speaker 7] (1:27:18 - 1:27:37)
The survey responses, uh M_A_P_C_ is part of their budget, I p I believe did paid Facebook advertising to get some of the survey responses, and it was an interesting way to collect people's feedback in kind of their own atmosphere on their own time, and it was uh just i mean I remember seeing it but I was on the committee, and I remember seeing it be like oh wow, I didn't know that

[Speaker 6] (1:27:37 - 1:27:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:37 - 1:27:44)
gonna show up in my Facebook news feed. Um but to her point, it collected some interesting feedback from people you're not likely to see.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:44 - 1:27:44)
coming into the public

[Speaker 6] (1:27:44 - 1:27:45)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:45 - 1:27:45)
conversation.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:45 - 1:27:45)
Hmm.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:45 - 1:27:51)
So diving into those responses is insightful from audiences we may not normally hear from in public meetings.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:51 - 1:27:56)
How do you know if they're swamp scout residents if it's coming from Facebook?

[Speaker 7] (1:27:59 - 1:27:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:00 - 1:28:01)
The address

[Speaker 7] (1:28:01 - 1:28:03)
Carlos might be able to answer that more than I will, but.

[Speaker 10] (1:28:03 - 1:28:09)
So it's, there's a geo fence and it's by IP addresses.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:10 - 1:28:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:11 - 1:28:14)
Sorry, I e I year I_P_ address has to hail

[Speaker 4] (1:28:14 - 1:28:14)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:28:14 - 1:28:15)
from Swampscott?

[Speaker 4] (1:28:15 - 1:28:15)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:28:15 - 1:28:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:16 - 1:28:18)
Only people in Swampscott were seeing the ad.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:20 - 1:28:20)
I_P_ address.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:20 - 1:28:25)
But the level of detail that some of these comments got in, it it I mean yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:27 - 1:28:27)
It you know

[Speaker 7] (1:28:32 - 1:28:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:32 - 1:28:32)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:32 - 1:28:34)
Well, if it took you 76 minutes to answer,

[Speaker 3] (1:28:34 - 1:28:35)
I don't, I hope, I mean,

[Speaker 7] (1:28:35 - 1:28:36)
It took a long time.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:36 - 1:28:38)
They were very verbose.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:38 - 1:28:38)
A mother of ten.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:39 - 1:28:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:40 - 1:28:41)
Please.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:41 - 1:28:42)
I just want to add – can I add one

[Speaker 3] (1:28:42 - 1:28:42)
Please,

[Speaker 6] (1:28:42 - 1:28:42)
thing?

[Speaker 3] (1:28:42 - 1:28:43)
you may.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:43 - 1:28:44)
Yeah, so Ruth Davidson,

[Speaker 6] (1:28:44 - 1:28:52)
207 Humphrey. I just want to say I really appreciate that you do those surveys because as someone who wants to participate but can rarely get in here,

[Speaker 6] (1:28:52 - 1:28:55)
I feel I pay attention to those surveys.

[Speaker 6] (1:28:55 - 1:28:56)
So thank

[Speaker 3] (1:28:56 - 1:28:56)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (1:28:56 - 1:28:56)
you.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:56 - 1:28:57)
that's great.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:57 - 1:28:57)
Good.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:57 - 1:28:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:28:57 - 1:28:58)
Good to know.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:07 - 1:29:08)
It's like that's the end of public comment.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:08 - 1:29:13)
There are no, I think we've determined there are no questions, so we are ready when you are planning board.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:13 - 1:29:13)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:13 - 1:29:15)
I think I just say one more

[Speaker 1] (1:29:15 - 1:29:15)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:15 - 1:29:15)
thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:15 - 1:29:15)
wait.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:15 - 1:29:16)
I think for the general public,

[Speaker 4] (1:29:16 - 1:29:19)
they may not realize what we're looking at.

[Speaker 2] (1:29:21 - 1:29:22)
Yes, this is.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:22 - 1:29:23)
I mean just to give the general

[Speaker 2] (1:29:23 - 1:29:23)
232

[Speaker 1] (1:29:23 - 1:29:24)
public a sense,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:24 - 1:29:24)
pages.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:24 - 1:29:27)
it's even long you know when you add in all the

[Speaker 2] (1:29:27 - 1:29:27)
You

[Speaker 1] (1:29:27 - 1:29:27)
uh add rest

[Speaker 2] (1:29:27 - 1:29:27)
the appendix.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:27 - 1:29:28)
of it, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:28 - 1:29:28)
And it's

[Speaker 1] (1:29:28 - 1:29:28)
But

[Speaker 3] (1:29:28 - 1:29:30)
really well laid out, very

[Speaker 1] (1:29:30 - 1:29:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:30 - 1:29:36)
th thank you Carlos, it is really the layout is excellent. I mean I think I've told you this before, but I find it really easy to

[Speaker 3] (1:29:37 - 1:29:39)
to move through it.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:39 - 1:29:41)
It's actually very readable even

[Speaker 3] (1:29:41 - 1:29:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:41 - 1:30:02)
though it is quite that long if you're looking on a specific topic or you have interest in a specific area if you want to just approach the plan for that specific topic I find it's it's colorful it is readable it's approachable it's not like a stuffy sort of consultant based report that we've seen in the past so it's very well done.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:05 - 1:30:09)
So, that being said, would you shall I make a motion?

[Speaker 1] (1:30:09 - 1:30:09)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:09 - 1:30:12)
Okay. See.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:13 - 1:30:22)
So I move that the Swampscott Planning Board adopt the Swampscott Master Plan 2035 dated June 2026 as presented this evening,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:22 - 1:30:25)
pursuant to Mass General Laws Chapter 41,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:26 - 1:30:35)
Section 81D and direct staff to publish and maintain the adopted plan as the town's official master plan to guide future planning,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:36 - 1:30:38)
policy and land use decisions.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:45 - 1:30:49)
Yes, and we have oh very we can clap that's a lot of hard work thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:49 - 1:30:50)
Yeah, sure, absolutely.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
Alright,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:53 - 1:30:55)
There we have we do have a motion for

[Speaker 1] (1:30:55 - 1:30:55)
second

[Speaker 4] (1:30:55 - 1:30:57)
the select board to endorse so

[Speaker 5] (1:30:57 - 1:31:02)
I move that the Swampscott Select Board endorse the Swampscott Master Plan 2035,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:02 - 1:31:04)
dated June 2026,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:04 - 1:31:09)
and recognize the plan as a community-developed framework intended to guide future policy discussions,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:09 - 1:31:10)
capital planning,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:10 - 1:31:10)
budgeting,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:11 - 1:31:14)
grant pursuits, and municipal decision-making through the year 2035.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:14 - 1:31:15)
second

[Speaker 4] (1:31:15 - 1:31:16)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:16 - 1:31:16)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:31:16 - 1:31:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:17 - 1:31:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:17 - 1:31:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:18 - 1:31:19)
Very good.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:19 - 1:31:19)
Yay.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:19 - 1:31:20)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:20 - 1:31:21)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:23 - 1:31:24)
It's making it

[Speaker 3] (1:31:24 - 1:31:24)
impossible. Yeah, we should

[Speaker 1] (1:31:24 - 1:31:25)
So just then

[Speaker 3] (1:31:25 - 1:31:25)
say

[Speaker 1] (1:31:25 - 1:31:25)
you to go

[Speaker 3] (1:31:25 - 1:31:25)
dissolve,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:25 - 1:31:26)
to the agenda.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:26 - 1:31:26)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:26 - 1:31:28)
Uh, the motion's at the public hearing?

[Speaker 5] (1:31:28 - 1:31:29)
Motion to close.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:29 - 1:31:29)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:29 - 1:31:30)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:30 - 1:31:30)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:30 - 1:31:30)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:30 - 1:31:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:31 - 1:31:31)
And the

[Speaker 1] (1:31:31 - 1:31:32)
Motion

[Speaker 3] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
hearing

[Speaker 1] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
to

[Speaker 3] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
to adjourn.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:32 - 1:31:33)
to adjourn.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:34 - 1:31:35)
All right, all those in favor?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:36 - 1:31:36)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:36 - 1:31:36)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:36 - 1:31:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
All

[Speaker 5] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
right.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:38)
you very much.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:38 - 1:31:38)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:38 - 1:31:41)
Thank you very much. Thank you, Kristen and Marcy for all your work also.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:41 - 1:31:41)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:41 - 1:31:42)
And Carlos,

[Speaker 5] (1:31:42 - 1:31:43)
thank you as well.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:44 - 1:31:45)
Thank you everyone.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:46 - 1:31:54)
So will there be a recommendation on um like a future committee in the fall then we'll have uh planning or c concuss or

[Speaker 4] (1:31:55 - 1:31:57)
The conjunction between staff and planning to figure

[Speaker 5] (1:31:57 - 1:31:58)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
out what

[Speaker 5] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
we send

[Speaker 4] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
direction

[Speaker 5] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
recommendations.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:58 - 1:32:03)
we'd like to go and to make sure that this isn't just something that lives on a shelf but reads and continues

[Speaker 9] (1:32:03 - 1:32:09)
Yeah, especially with our new CPA committee in town, which came as a direct result of the Swampscott 2025 master plan.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:09 - 1:32:09)
Yep, absolutely.

[Speaker 9] (1:32:09 - 1:32:13)
I think that implementation committee will be helpful as they consider their budget priorities.

[Speaker 3] (1:32:13 - 1:32:13)
Goodbye.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:13 - 1:32:14)
That's a great point.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:14 - 1:32:16)
That's a great, great point.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:18 - 1:32:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:19 - 1:32:28)
Okay, so we will move on to discussion and possible vote for the entertainment license for Swampscott Center for Performing Arts.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:29 - 1:32:43)
That says the third time this has come up on our agenda and as you may remember, we had some questions come up last time, so we wanted to table it to make sure that you could answer some of those questions just so we were all on the same page.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:44 - 1:32:47)
Um, try please.

[Speaker 11] (1:32:47 - 1:33:00)
I just want to point out that the proponent had distributed via Marzi this evening some written documentation, but in speaking over the last week or so with him,

[Speaker 11] (1:33:00 - 1:33:02)
you know, I highlighted that the board.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:03 - 1:33:09)
And the community worked hard to get the liquor license signed into the queue to get moving as quickly as possible,

[Speaker 11] (1:33:10 - 1:33:16)
and um there were some questions that remain this evening um that I think, you know, he would be happy to address. And

[Speaker 9] (1:33:16 - 1:33:16)
Great.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:16 - 1:33:26)
it may might be good if you all have things that you would like to start with or we can turn it over for just a brief statement. I'm not not really sure which way the board would like to go to start. Um

[Speaker 5] (1:33:26 - 1:33:29)
I just have a quick question on the liquor licenses. Um Jenny or Mimi?

[Speaker 10] (1:33:29 - 1:33:32)
involved in this? Did she have it and?

[Speaker 4] (1:33:32 - 1:33:32)
Yes,

[Speaker 11] (1:33:32 - 1:33:35)
Yeah. The notification has gone into the state and we've let her know.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:36 - 1:33:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (1:33:38 - 1:33:40)
I can make a brief statement if you want.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:41 - 1:33:42)
You're welcome to yes.

[Speaker 12] (1:33:42 - 1:33:42)
Sure.

[Speaker 12] (1:33:44 - 1:33:51)
First of all, we have to stop meeting like this. My girlfriend's getting very jealous of what I'm doing on Wednesday nights.

[Speaker 12] (1:33:54 - 1:34:03)
But I do want to say that I really appreciate the expeditious way that you handled the liquor license and the victual license. Thank you very much for that.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:03 - 1:34:11)
I also want to add that we have been very clear about entertainment being the foundation of our business model,

[Speaker 12] (1:34:11 - 1:34:13)
and it's vital to what we're doing.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:14 - 1:34:15)
We are,

[Speaker 12] (1:34:15 - 1:34:17)
after all, a performing arts center.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:18 - 1:34:42)
Um that said, we are empathetic to the town's concerns over noise, crowd control and parking issues and I'm here to answer any questions on that. Um and you do have the report that I gave to Marcy and that's kind of a uh overview of what our plans are to handle entertainment, what type of entertainment we'll have and how and how it will be handled. Excuse me.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:44 - 1:34:52)
We're not going to be a road house. We're not going to meet Patrick Swayze at the Swampscott Center for Performing Arts. So we want to make sure everybody realizes that.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:53 - 1:35:08)
We are already in conversations with nationally recognized entertainers to have ticketed events by the fall of 2026 in order to attract this caliber of entertainment to the town of Swampscott. These professional organizations require the same professionalism of us.

[Speaker 12] (1:35:09 - 1:35:11)
That includes providing professional sound engineers,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:12 - 1:35:14)
a safe and welcoming environment,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:14 - 1:35:15)
on-site security,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:16 - 1:35:18)
crowd control and parking lot attendance.

[Speaker 12] (1:35:19 - 1:35:21)
On the nights when these ticketed events are not scheduled,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:22 - 1:35:28)
the venue is being prepared to host community functions that could range from events as simple as family birthday parties,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:28 - 1:35:31)
fundraising events for the town sports teams,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:31 - 1:35:32)
dance recitals,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:33 - 1:35:35)
corporate events for some of our local businesses,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:35 - 1:35:38)
and things in conjunction with the Chamber of Commerce.

[Speaker 12] (1:35:39 - 1:35:45)
All of these events will work within the parameters of our hours of operation and be managed by the professionals on our staff.

[Speaker 12] (1:35:46 - 1:35:48)
With regard to noise issues,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:48 - 1:35:53)
the production of our showroom at the Dorie Restaurant will be being designed by Michael Dennis,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:53 - 1:35:54)
who's here on my right.

[Speaker 12] (1:35:55 - 1:35:59)
Some of you may know Michael as he's the stage and production manager for the Lynn Auditorium,

[Speaker 12] (1:35:59 - 1:36:04)
as well as having a lifetime resume in theater and production that stretch from Boston to Hollywood.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:05 - 1:36:07)
Michael's a true professional.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:07 - 1:36:10)
He's already in the works.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:11 - 1:36:15)
Lastly, I've been spending a lot of time at the Hawthorne property,

[Speaker 12] (1:36:15 - 1:36:16)
as I'm sure everyone can imagine,

[Speaker 12] (1:36:16 - 1:36:28)
and the more time I spend there, the more I'm amazed at the genius of Anthony Athanas, who in my opinion designed a perfect restaurant,

[Speaker 12] (1:36:28 - 1:36:29)
function facility,

[Speaker 12] (1:36:29 - 1:36:31)
and entertainment venue.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:31 - 1:36:33)
I mean, he really knew what he was doing.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:34 - 1:36:37)
It's also obvious that aside from its aesthetic beauty,

[Speaker 12] (1:36:37 - 1:36:38)
Mr.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:38 - 1:36:45)
Athanas was very cognizant of using building materials that would create a virtually soundproof environment in the building.

[Speaker 12] (1:36:46 - 1:36:50)
In fact, when I crossed the street the other night to get ice cream at Papa's,

[Speaker 12] (1:36:50 - 1:37:00)
it occurred to me that there will never be any kind of noise coming from the Performing Arts Center that could possibly come close to the noise being generated by the traffic on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:02 - 1:37:06)
Thank you, especially when a motorcycle goes by.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:08 - 1:37:10)
So in conclusion,

[Speaker 12] (1:37:10 - 1:37:24)
I just want to say that the Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts plan on being a great neighbor to all the businesses and residents of Swampscott, and our doors will always be open to comments and suggestions by the community when it comes to making things even better.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:25 - 1:37:26)
Thank you.

[Speaker 12] (1:37:31 - 1:37:32)
Ah, shucks.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:32 - 1:37:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:33 - 1:37:36)
All right, are you the first comedy act that will be on the stage?

[Speaker 12] (1:37:36 - 1:37:39)
You know, if I give Michael the microphone,

[Speaker 12] (1:37:39 - 1:37:40)
the house will come down.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:42 - 1:37:53)
Well, thank you for that. And I think there were a couple of specific questions that we had sort of left open from last meeting, so if members would like to you know if you haven't received answers on those, if you'd like to ask them now, that would be

[Speaker 9] (1:37:54 - 1:37:54)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:54 - 1:37:54)
helpful.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:54 - 1:38:04)
I just had a couple questions. So at the last meeting we had some concerns from neighbours or people who live in the area about sound leaving the building or emanating the the building or the property line.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:04 - 1:38:07)
Clearly you have the right sound engineer helping you out.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:08 - 1:38:25)
But just curious, I know you operate another restaurant in in one of our neighbouring towns. Um just curious, that has a busy parking lot, that has a busy atmosphere. I've been there a bunch, it's a great place. Um I'll give you a plug for that. Um but what's your experience in like there, how do you manage sound there? 'Cause it's not dissimilar, big parking lot out back and a relative

[Speaker 12] (1:38:25 - 1:38:32)
Well we d we definitely we definitely have plans in place, but we've been there six years now. So we uh we we know how to control the crowd.

[Speaker 12] (1:38:32 - 1:38:46)
be know how to control the parking. There are certain times of the night when the managers know when to close all the windows, so that the sound doesn't affect the community. We've had very very little complaints or any problems at that at that venue.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:47 - 1:38:47)
Perfect. Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:49 - 1:39:00)
And are you have similar sound mitigation strategies that you employ there that you'd employ here in terms of, you know, I dunno, decimal measurements you do for your sound engineers there or something of that

[Speaker 12] (1:39:00 - 1:39:01)
Not really.

[Speaker 12] (1:39:01 - 1:39:04)
We're actually just taking it to another level in Swampscott. It's

[Speaker 9] (1:39:04 - 1:39:04)
I'd love

[Speaker 12] (1:39:04 - 1:39:05)
going to

[Speaker 9] (1:39:05 - 1:39:05)
to hear that.

[Speaker 12] (1:39:05 - 1:39:13)
be a bigger room and a bigger stage, so we need a more professional situation addressing the...

[Speaker 12] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
The sound.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:34 - 1:39:35)
Okay. So

[Speaker 1] (1:39:35 - 1:39:35)
And women.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:35 - 1:39:39)
the acts you're planning to bring to the Swampscott Center for the Performing Arts,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:40 - 1:39:41)
pretty much will all have their own sound engineer,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:42 - 1:39:43)
sound tech that'll be responsible

[Speaker 1] (1:39:43 - 1:39:44)
No matter who

[Speaker 2] (1:39:44 - 1:39:44)
for that?

[Speaker 1] (1:39:44 - 1:39:48)
they are, they will be required to have a sound person present.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:48 - 1:39:49)
Perfect. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:49 - 1:39:49)
Definitely.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:50 - 1:39:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:53 - 1:39:53)
Mr.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:53 - 1:39:57)
Ray, when you were here on, was it June 3rd

[Speaker 3] (1:39:57 - 1:40:05)
I specifically asked you um if you'd be able to keep the sound and any noise on your property and at that time you said yes, you'd

[Speaker 1] (1:40:05 - 1:40:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:05 - 1:40:22)
be able to comply. In the past we've have had issues with some of the merchants in town and we've had agreements that they could keep the um sound on their property and sometimes there's a little slip, you know, and it gets hopefully get corrected. But is that still the case?

[Speaker 1] (1:40:23 - 1:40:23)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:24 - 1:40:25)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:40:25 - 1:40:25)
Definitely.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:25 - 1:40:25)
you.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:28 - 1:40:32)
Could you remind me again what your hours are that you're anticipating or planning for?

[Speaker 1] (1:40:33 - 1:40:37)
Well, it's if you're talking about when we're going to specifically have entertainment,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:37 - 1:40:37)
it's

[Speaker 4] (1:40:37 - 1:40:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:38 - 1:40:50)
very difficult to to say to give specific hours because there could be something happening on every night of the week. So what we can say is that we're going to operate within the parameters of our of our working hours,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:50 - 1:40:59)
which is 11 a.m. to 1 a.m. But I would say typically if you're talking about maybe a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night and I say.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:00 - 1:41:02)
License to close is one.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:02 - 1:41:10)
I'd want a band to be finished at about 11.30, maybe 11.45, and make sure everybody's out the door no later than 12.30.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:10 - 1:41:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:10 - 1:41:12)
That would be the plan.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:14 - 1:41:14)
That's good to know.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:18 - 1:41:19)
Anyone else?

[Speaker 4] (1:41:19 - 1:41:23)
And is there any plan to utilise the deck space at all?

[Speaker 1] (1:41:23 - 1:41:24)
Not right now.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:25 - 1:41:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:25 - 1:41:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:25 - 1:41:27)
All right, now there is one section of the deck

[Speaker 4] (1:41:27 - 1:41:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:27 - 1:41:28)
on the first floor

[Speaker 4] (1:41:28 - 1:41:28)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:28 - 1:41:30)
that uh we're waiting on

[Speaker 4] (1:41:30 - 1:41:30)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:30 - 1:41:33)
finalisation from the architects

[Speaker 4] (1:41:33 - 1:41:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:33 - 1:41:42)
and the engineers to say yes, it's okay. But even in that case, even if they okay it, I'm gonna put kind of a maximum capacity of maybe twenty people out there.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:43 - 1:41:43)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:43 - 1:41:47)
And also with no tables, just uh kind of a lounge.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:47 - 1:41:50)
type situation out there, adirondack chairs with

[Speaker 4] (1:41:50 - 1:41:51)
Will there be

[Speaker 1] (1:41:51 - 1:41:51)
the music view.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:51 - 1:41:51)
out there?

[Speaker 1] (1:41:51 - 1:41:53)
Uh you won't you you won't hear

[Speaker 4] (1:41:53 - 1:41:53)
Is

[Speaker 1] (1:41:53 - 1:41:54)
it.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:54 - 1:41:54)
there anything? No.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:54 - 1:41:56)
No, you won't hear anything out there.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:57 - 1:41:59)
That's just a place to go out and relax and enjoy the view.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:59 - 1:42:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:01 - 1:42:04)
No dining, unless it's just something casual they can sit with.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:06 - 1:42:08)
Yeah, I think I brought that up originally, 'cause

[Speaker 4] (1:42:08 - 1:42:08)
Mm.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:08 - 1:42:10)
the ocean can be tricky, right? The way

[Speaker 7] (1:42:10 - 1:42:10)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:10 - 1:42:17)
the noise bounces off and sometimes, you know, although you're keeping it inside from the front of your building where your Mm. entrance is,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:17 - 1:42:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:17 - 1:42:21)
is carrying out to sea, here only might hear it in her house. So

[Speaker 4] (1:42:21 - 1:42:22)
Marilyn does hear it in her house.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:22 - 1:42:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:22 - 1:42:23)
Yeah, we can we can

[Speaker 4] (1:42:23 - 1:42:24)
I should hear Marianne.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:24 - 1:42:30)
we can definitely keep that door closed whenever there's any kind of entertainment. The whole the whole environment will be sealed.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:33 - 1:42:37)
Are you gonna be using the upstairs at all? This is totally unrelated to your license, I'm just totally curious.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:37 - 1:42:42)
The upstairs we're planning on having the comedy uh club upstairs at

[Speaker 2] (1:42:42 - 1:42:43)
Cool.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:43 - 1:42:45)
some point. We're working on that now.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:46 - 1:42:46)
Cool.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:48 - 1:42:49)
Nick's comedy stop.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:50 - 1:42:51)
Get no

[Speaker 2] (1:42:51 - 1:42:57)
And then one other question. I think he came up in public comment. Was it uh Maria's catering? Is that

[Speaker 4] (1:42:57 - 1:42:57)
That's a

[Speaker 9] (1:42:57 - 1:42:58)
It's a separate

[Speaker 4] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
separate.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Yeah. is it?

[Speaker 9] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
license.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Separate. Separate.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:58 - 1:42:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:58 - 1:42:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:59 - 1:43:01)
And if we had asked this last time if that's

[Speaker 4] (1:43:01 - 1:43:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:01 - 1:43:02)
each individual sub tenancy

[Speaker 2] (1:43:02 - 1:43:02)
Mm.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:02 - 1:43:07)
is going to be getting their own licensing that's just come up last meeting. Um so

[Speaker 6] (1:43:08 - 1:43:16)
Uh I think that was the catalyst for Maria's filing for a vitula's and a uh entertainment license because they are their own business inside

[Speaker 2] (1:43:16 - 1:43:16)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:16 - 1:43:16)
of

[Speaker 2] (1:43:16 - 1:43:16)
very subtenant,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:16 - 1:43:17)
their business,

[Speaker 2] (1:43:17 - 1:43:17)
sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:17 - 1:43:19)
so they they would need their own license permit.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:19 - 1:43:21)
Okay, separate separate public

[Speaker 6] (1:43:21 - 1:43:21)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:43:21 - 1:43:21)
hearing,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:21 - 1:43:21)
yes and

[Speaker 2] (1:43:21 - 1:43:21)
or separate

[Speaker 6] (1:43:21 - 1:43:23)
uh it is there

[Speaker 10] (1:43:23 - 1:43:23)
It's

[Speaker 6] (1:43:23 - 1:43:23)
is

[Speaker 10] (1:43:23 - 1:43:24)
a common Vic under

[Speaker 6] (1:43:24 - 1:43:24)
It's

[Speaker 10] (1:43:24 - 1:43:24)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:43:24 - 1:43:25)
a common Vic.

[Speaker 10] (1:43:25 - 1:43:25)
and under

[Speaker 4] (1:43:25 - 1:43:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:25 - 1:43:25)
Oh,

[Speaker 10] (1:43:25 - 1:43:25)
that consent.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:25 - 1:43:26)
it's not under

[Speaker 10] (1:43:26 - 1:43:26)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:43:26 - 1:43:26)
t

[Speaker 10] (1:43:26 - 1:43:27)
it the entered

[Speaker 6] (1:43:27 - 1:43:27)
It

[Speaker 10] (1:43:27 - 1:43:27)
it.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:27 - 1:43:27)
is an It entertainment,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:27 - 1:43:28)
it is entertainment.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:28 - 1:43:28)
but there's no public,

[Speaker 10] (1:43:28 - 1:43:29)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:29 - 1:43:30)
I mean it's on the consent agenda, 'cause

[Speaker 2] (1:43:30 - 1:43:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:30 - 1:43:31)
they're

[Speaker 2] (1:43:31 - 1:43:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:31 - 1:43:32)
only asking for indoor

[Speaker 4] (1:43:32 - 1:43:32)
Backroom

[Speaker 6] (1:43:32 - 1:43:32)
music.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:32 - 1:43:32)
music.

[Speaker 11] (1:43:32 - 1:43:33)
Is it?

[Speaker 2] (1:43:33 - 1:43:33)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:33 - 1:43:34)
You're not asking they're not

[Speaker 2] (1:43:34 - 1:43:34)
Got

[Speaker 4] (1:43:34 - 1:43:34)
They're

[Speaker 2] (1:43:34 - 1:43:35)
it.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:35 - 1:43:35)
just asking

[Speaker 6] (1:43:35 - 1:43:35)
performances

[Speaker 4] (1:43:35 - 1:43:35)
for background

[Speaker 6] (1:43:35 - 1:43:36)
performances

[Speaker 2] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
Backstage.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
that's perfect.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
background

[Speaker 4] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
that

[Speaker 2] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
don't

[Speaker 4] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
background

[Speaker 2] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
read that.

[Speaker 11] (1:43:36 - 1:43:42)
So just just to give an example Cindy's has an entertainment license because there's a TV on it.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:42 - 1:43:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:43:43 - 1:43:48)
So like that's the it's sort of ambient music indoor music type of thing.

[Speaker 11] (1:43:49 - 1:43:50)
So that's why she

[Speaker 2] (1:43:50 - 1:43:50)
That's

[Speaker 11] (1:43:50 - 1:43:50)
has the entertainment

[Speaker 2] (1:43:50 - 1:43:50)
interesting.

[Speaker 11] (1:43:50 - 1:43:52)
license here because of that, okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:52 - 1:43:54)
Yes, it says speaker for ambient music

[Speaker 11] (1:43:54 - 1:43:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:54 - 1:43:55)
is the purpose.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:55 - 1:43:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:55 - 1:43:57)
So if they have a TV on they need to have a

[Speaker 11] (1:43:57 - 1:43:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:57 - 1:43:58)
entertainment license

[Speaker 6] (1:43:58 - 1:43:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (1:43:58 - 1:44:00)
This came up in December when we did the renewals.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:00 - 1:44:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:01 - 1:44:04)
Would you mind if Michael Dennis made some comments?

[Speaker 6] (1:44:04 - 1:44:05)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:05 - 1:44:05)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:05 - 1:44:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:05 - 1:44:05)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:05 - 1:44:07)
He's been here for so long I feel bad.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:09 - 1:44:11)
Thank you, by the way.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:12 - 1:44:22)
To answer the soft questions that have been asked about the sound, fortunately, how I've designed the space to be,

[Speaker 1] (1:44:22 - 1:44:27)
the sound will be generated not towards the front doors out to the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:27 - 1:44:29)
It logically can't do that.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:29 - 1:44:31)
The stage is actually,

[Speaker 1] (1:44:31 - 1:44:33)
as you walk through the main doors,

[Speaker 1] (1:44:33 - 1:44:39)
you have to go into the property and then go to the left. There'll be seating.

[Speaker 12] (1:44:39 - 1:44:47)
Round tables and structured depending on if we're doing a concert or if we're just playing background music.

[Speaker 12] (1:44:47 - 1:44:56)
Most of it will be background music for the hours until the acts that have been hired start playing and in my career

[Speaker 12] (1:44:59 - 1:45:02)
we don't really start playing the

[Speaker 12] (1:45:02 - 1:45:29)
headliners until about 8 8 30 and they usually wrap up in two hours at least no more I don't know many headliners that would do that but all of that sound is generated from behind brick wall and the serving area which is protected from the front doors I walk the space I'm 150 feet from the front door to the downstage edge

[Speaker 12] (1:45:30 - 1:45:51)
on the property and there's only one way to bring sound into that I'm not going to filter sound through the building because there's a piano player on the other side of the wall and then there's a whole section and Nick's will be upstairs generating comedy or whoever we get to do the comedy we can't I need to have a

[Speaker 12] (1:45:52 - 1:45:58)
An excellent balance between somebody enjoying a dinner and having a conversation with their family.

[Speaker 12] (1:45:59 - 1:46:09)
And I'm very cognizant of that just to let everybody know what my dream is for the fact that it's a performing arts center.

[Speaker 12] (1:46:10 - 1:46:16)
It needs to be able to be a loose coat and we need to be able to change,

[Speaker 12] (1:46:16 - 1:46:18)
you know, the staff,

[Speaker 12] (1:46:18 - 1:46:27)
my crew needs to be able to change daily. So it could be anybody from Paul Anka to Johnny Ray,

[Speaker 12] (1:46:27 - 1:46:28)
could,

[Speaker 12] (1:46:28 - 1:46:34)
and anything in between. Your kids can perform on that stage if they really, really want to.

[Speaker 12] (1:46:34 - 1:46:37)
So thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:36 - 1:46:37)
get it.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:37 - 1:46:37)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:37 - 1:46:38)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:46:38 - 1:46:38)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:46:38 - 1:46:38)
you.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:38 - 1:46:38)
you.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:39 - 1:46:40)
Okay, motion to approve?

[Speaker 11] (1:46:40 - 1:46:41)
What one Oh, quick Well question.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:41 - 1:46:41)
are we ready?

[Speaker 11] (1:46:41 - 1:46:42)
that's just a question.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:42 - 1:46:43)
Wayne's got the last question all the time.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:43 - 1:47:00)
All the time. Um I I just wanna make sure that and maybe it's a silly question, but a lot of places like in theatres they have double doors specifically to hold the sound in. I I don't know if that's an issue if the doors stay open and you have a band playing. I just wanna make sure that

[Speaker 2] (1:47:01 - 1:47:05)
Is that is that an issue that we would be expecting to receive complaints about?

[Speaker 1] (1:47:05 - 1:47:06)
The double doors will be closed.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:06 - 1:47:07)
I don't think so.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:07 - 1:47:07)
Scary.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:07 - 1:47:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:47:07 - 1:47:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:07 - 1:47:08)
yeah they'll be closed.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:08 - 1:47:08)
Is your double

[Speaker 2] (1:47:08 - 1:47:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:09 - 1:47:09)
door

[Speaker 6] (1:47:09 - 1:47:09)
There

[Speaker 4] (1:47:09 - 1:47:09)
set?

[Speaker 6] (1:47:09 - 1:47:09)
are double doors.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:09 - 1:47:11)
There are double doors. That's what I'm Oh, asking.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:11 - 1:47:11)
oh okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:11 - 1:47:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:11 - 1:47:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:11 - 1:47:11)
Sorry,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:11 - 1:47:12)
And that

[Speaker 2] (1:47:12 - 1:47:13)
I just No, I wanna confirm I'd say it was a confirmation.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:13 - 1:47:15)
yeah. The front door and then into the vestibule, there's a second set.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:15 - 1:47:17)
That helps control the crowd too.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:18 - 1:47:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:18 - 1:47:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:18 - 1:47:18)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:18 - 1:47:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:18 - 1:47:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:19 - 1:47:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:20 - 1:47:20)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:47:20 - 1:47:20)
Let's

[Speaker 6] (1:47:20 - 1:47:20)
Danielle,

[Speaker 2] (1:47:20 - 1:47:21)
go motion.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:21 - 1:47:22)
I believe I heard a motion.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:22 - 1:47:23)
Yeah. Motion to approve.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:23 - 1:47:24)
All right, can I get a second?

[Speaker 11] (1:47:24 - 1:47:24)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:24 - 1:47:25)
Second. Oh.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:25 - 1:47:31)
All right, all in favor of approving the, where are we, the entertainment license for the Swarm Scout Center for Performing Arts.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:32 - 1:47:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 13] (1:47:32 - 1:47:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:32 - 1:47:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:33 - 1:47:34)
Thank you very much for your Thank patience.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:34 - 1:47:34)
you for

[Speaker 1] (1:47:34 - 1:47:34)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:47:34 - 1:47:35)
your support.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:35 - 1:47:35)
you very much for everything.

[Speaker 11] (1:47:35 - 1:47:36)
Good luck.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:36 - 1:47:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 11] (1:47:36 - 1:47:37)
Good luck.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:43 - 1:47:46)
We got a good Wednesday act for you right here, if you're in the market.

[Speaker 4] (1:47:46 - 1:47:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:46 - 1:47:47)
Ha!

[Speaker 6] (1:47:49 - 1:47:50)
Thanks Charlie.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:53 - 1:48:04)
All right, we're gonna move on 'cause we are here all night. Um to discussion and possible vote on the Hawthorne R_F_P_ and we are gonna start with

[Speaker 6] (1:48:05 - 1:48:09)
um hopefully Nick's gonna provide us with a little timeline, right?

[Speaker 11] (1:48:10 - 1:48:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:10 - 1:48:14)
Okay. You guys can stay, this is gonna be riveting, I promise.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:14 - 1:48:15)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:16 - 1:48:16)
Run

[Speaker 6] (1:48:16 - 1:48:16)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:16 - 1:48:16)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:16 - 1:48:16)
like run

[Speaker 6] (1:48:16 - 1:48:17)
don't

[Speaker 2] (1:48:17 - 1:48:17)
while you

[Speaker 6] (1:48:17 - 1:48:17)
break

[Speaker 2] (1:48:17 - 1:48:17)
can.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:17 - 1:48:17)
Guild someone.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:17 - 1:48:18)
Oh no,

[Speaker 6] (1:48:18 - 1:48:18)
A

[Speaker 4] (1:48:18 - 1:48:19)
don't.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:19 - 1:48:20)
growth sheet.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:22 - 1:48:23)
That sounds nice.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:23 - 1:48:24)
It's

[Speaker 11] (1:48:24 - 1:48:24)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:48:24 - 1:48:25)
a soggy button.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:25 - 1:48:25)
I like the

[Speaker 6] (1:48:25 - 1:48:26)
Pretzel.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
hurts.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:26 - 1:48:26)
Sure.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:26 - 1:48:36)
the idea that I will be really brief and turn this back over to you all, I just wanted to highlight some of the discussion as I sort of recalled it from the last meeting,

[Speaker 11] (1:48:36 - 1:48:41)
the things that we wanted to talk about and I will next time make that font a little bit bigger.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:42 - 1:48:42)
Mm.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:42 - 1:49:03)
The timeline I know it's it's bad. I apologize it looked fine on my computer exclusive versus inclusive drafting which is the idea of you know Do we want to say a particular idea or a particular plan is just not acceptable? We don't even want you to hear it or do we want to sort of be as open as possible and then the other discussion is the scoring rubric Which really those two go together,

[Speaker 11] (1:49:03 - 1:49:05)
but it's just something that I wanted to highlight

[Speaker 11] (1:49:06 - 1:49:09)
This again doesn't look great on this little screen on the big screen

[Speaker 11] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
stream now but

[Speaker 1] (1:49:20 - 1:49:29)
There was you know it was posted there were tours for six to eight weeks questions were due the town had two weeks to answer them and then there was a month before

[Speaker 1] (1:49:30 - 1:49:32)
The final proposals were due back to the community.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:33 - 1:49:39)
There were presentations five weeks later of the finalists that were selected.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:39 - 1:49:42)
And then, you know, as I show here,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:42 - 1:49:45)
there was a negotiation February 24 and getting into the final agreement.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:45 - 1:49:48)
This was how it was originally laid out in March of 2024.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:49 - 1:49:50)
So the idea is it's 24,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:50 - 1:49:52)
25 weeks from the beginning to the end.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:54 - 1:49:55)
So looking at this.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:56 - 1:50:02)
I think it gives you ample time to have a robust discussion at a number of meetings about which way you want to go on the drafting.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:03 - 1:50:10)
The other things I just want to highlight here are, you know, we really do need to land the plan on that goal of when you want it posted,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:10 - 1:50:17)
and then we really can give you a calendar that says this is when we as staff can commit to getting things in front of you for review and feedback.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:17 - 1:50:21)
This is when we could do a public meeting or public information session where it's...

[Speaker 1] (1:50:21 - 1:50:36)
you know community development myself and whoever else is involved but that's a really important step for us to be able to build a calendar for you like where would you like it to be at the end and then we'll build backwards so that gives you your your schedule for discussions sorry thank you

[Speaker 1] (1:50:38 - 1:51:02)
And then the other question that I just want to put on the table doesn't need to be answered tonight but Ted had mentioned it is around the idea of professional support to ensure that the quality of the responses are what we're looking for and looking at like the RFP for Hadley had like the website with the drone footage and all of that we could certainly take a crack at that but a professional would do a better job working with us I think and it would allow us to get the best possible outcome.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:03 - 1:51:13)
So not a decision for tonight, it's something that I'll continue to highlight as you all have these deliberations, but I just I wanted to lay that out there. So I think we're going way too far.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:13 - 1:51:14)
Not yet.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:14 - 1:51:20)
Not there yet, this is where I meant to be. So these are the things that we that I really thought you wanted to have a discussion about tonight,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:20 - 1:51:21)
so it's timeline.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:22 - 1:51:24)
It's a six month roughly window.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:25 - 1:51:45)
But you all really need to deliberate on how you would like it to be drafted because that's that 30 percent that we talked about that is really up to you all. It's not the part that's here is the property as described, here is the community as we d you know, it's the it's the really important stuff that you all need to make some determinations on and begin that deliberation tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:50)
how you want to draft it and the ideas around scoring. And with that I'll turn it over to you all for discussion.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:51 - 1:51:52)
Thank you, Nick.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:53 - 1:51:57)
So I think we could if we start with the timeline conversation,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:57 - 1:52:02)
if we we have Swanscott Center for Performing Arts leasing the site until six

[Speaker 1] (1:52:02 - 1:52:04)
The end of June of 2028.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:04 - 1:52:06)
of 2028.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:07 - 1:52:12)
And I feel strongly, although it's up for discussion of the board that

[Speaker 3] (1:52:13 - 1:52:19)
we conclude this before we lose our tenant so that we would have a purpose um a no

[Speaker 4] (1:52:19 - 1:52:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:19 - 1:52:28)
period of just open uh building and we would not have to go back to town meeting for extensions because I think they made it pretty clear that that's not what they're interested in.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:29 - 1:52:30)
Um they sort of

[Speaker 3] (1:52:31 - 1:52:50)
gave threw us a little bit of a bone to allow us to even do a short term R_F_P_ so let's not abuse that privilege. So if we are working back from uh say we give a buffer of a couple months, if you start at four April of twenty twenty eight and you work backwards for six months, which is what this process give or take might take.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:51 - 1:52:55)
You are looking at an RFP being put out in October

[Speaker 1] (1:52:55 - 1:52:56)
November of 20.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:56 - 1:52:58)
or November of 27.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:59 - 1:53:21)
So we really do have and we could deliberate till you know maybe through the summer about all of the items in the RFP that would give the town staff three months to actually either hire a consultant or something like that which would envision what we've spoken about here and really build we can obviously truncate that timeline if we wanted to but

[Speaker 3] (1:53:22 - 1:53:28)
The whole point of asking that question was to work backwards to figure out are we talking about this in two meetings? Are we talking about this

[Speaker 5] (1:53:28 - 1:53:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:28 - 1:53:30)
in six meetings? Are we like how are we approaching it?

[Speaker 5] (1:53:30 - 1:53:34)
The the timeline you just laid out, um sorry I'm looking at my calendar so

[Speaker 3] (1:53:34 - 1:53:34)
That's

[Speaker 5] (1:53:34 - 1:53:35)
I'm trying okay. to understand.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:36 - 1:53:41)
Was that having the R_F_P_ out next fall, twenty twenty seven? Is that what you said?

[Speaker 3] (1:53:41 - 1:53:44)
So I was having it out in October of twenty seven.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:44 - 1:53:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:45 - 1:53:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:46 - 1:53:50)
Why the runway of 15 months, right? We're 2026 now, am I?

[Speaker 7] (1:53:50 - 1:53:51)
Right, mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:51 - 1:53:56)
Okay, sorry, I'm I'm getting my own head here. Um why do you think we need a runway of 15 months?

[Speaker 3] (1:53:57 - 1:53:57)
We don't.

[Speaker 9] (1:53:58 - 1:54:00)
She I think she just went, that was the the

[Speaker 10] (1:54:00 - 1:54:00)
She's just backing

[Speaker 3] (1:54:00 - 1:54:00)
just

[Speaker 9] (1:54:00 - 1:54:01)
Worst

[Speaker 10] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
out.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
just

[Speaker 9] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
case

[Speaker 10] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
She just

[Speaker 5] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
Uh

[Speaker 3] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
just

[Speaker 9] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
scenario.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
backing

[Speaker 3] (1:54:01 - 1:54:01)
back

[Speaker 10] (1:54:01 - 1:54:02)
out.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:02 - 1:54:02)
this out.

[Speaker 9] (1:54:02 - 1:54:02)
It says worst

[Speaker 10] (1:54:02 - 1:54:02)
I think

[Speaker 9] (1:54:02 - 1:54:02)
case scenario.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:02 - 1:54:03)
that's worst

[Speaker 3] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
Backing

[Speaker 10] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
scenario.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
out.

[Speaker 9] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
out. Worst

[Speaker 5] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
case scenario.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:03 - 1:54:04)
But even if we even

[Speaker 5] (1:54:04 - 1:54:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:04 - 1:54:07)
if we even if we went all the way talking about this for a year, we

[Speaker 9] (1:54:07 - 1:54:07)
So

[Speaker 10] (1:54:07 - 1:54:07)
yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:07 - 1:54:07)
now could

[Speaker 9] (1:54:07 - 1:54:07)
we have a

[Speaker 3] (1:54:07 - 1:54:08)
still

[Speaker 9] (1:54:08 - 1:54:08)
lot of time.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:08 - 1:54:08)
be

[Speaker 10] (1:54:08 - 1:54:09)
Just to back

[Speaker 3] (1:54:09 - 1:54:09)
in

[Speaker 10] (1:54:09 - 1:54:09)
it

[Speaker 3] (1:54:09 - 1:54:09)
a

[Speaker 10] (1:54:09 - 1:54:09)
up,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:09 - 1:54:09)
good

[Speaker 10] (1:54:09 - 1:54:09)
just

[Speaker 3] (1:54:09 - 1:54:09)
position.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:09 - 1:54:10)
Got it.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:10 - 1:54:11)
to see how long it took us

[Speaker 5] (1:54:11 - 1:54:11)
Understood.

[Speaker 10] (1:54:11 - 1:54:11)
to

[Speaker 3] (1:54:11 - 1:54:18)
Right. More for the public's knowledge to understand transparency in the process like e even if we went from a worst case scenario we couldn't agree on anything.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:18 - 1:54:18)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:18 - 1:54:19)
Um

[Speaker 5] (1:54:19 - 1:54:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:19 - 1:54:19)
but

[Speaker 5] (1:54:19 - 1:54:19)
Sorry

[Speaker 3] (1:54:19 - 1:54:19)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:54:19 - 1:54:20)
I'm late to

[Speaker 3] (1:54:20 - 1:54:20)
mean

[Speaker 5] (1:54:20 - 1:54:20)
the party,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:20 - 1:54:20)
obviously

[Speaker 5] (1:54:20 - 1:54:20)
but I don't I care.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:20 - 1:54:24)
think we should put together something much faster and we should get it out there and we should elevate

[Speaker 3] (1:54:24 - 1:54:28)
even maybe the so for the Hadley we had a very specific purpose

[Speaker 9] (1:54:28 - 1:54:28)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (1:54:28 - 1:54:29)
right

[Speaker 9] (1:54:29 - 1:54:29)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:29 - 1:54:48)
and we had a consultant who managed it who whose only job was to to find people within that topic right we had a hotel consultant who was able to leverage those connections I think this is going to be far different so I think it begs the question of if it's open longer if

[Speaker 3] (1:54:50 - 1:55:00)
Because it won't have even if we implemented everything that the Hawthorne News Committee said, it wouldn't have every s a pinpoint, one sole purpose to focus on.

[Speaker 9] (1:55:00 - 1:55:01)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:01 - 1:55:10)
So you'd be asking people to think very creatively and intelligently about the parameters we gave, but we're not saying like you must do X. Like we said you must

[Speaker 3] (1:55:10 - 1:55:12)
answer us with a hotel.

[Speaker 5] (1:55:12 - 1:55:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:12 - 1:55:15)
Um so it makes more sense for this to be a little bit longer of

[Speaker 5] (1:55:15 - 1:55:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:16 - 1:55:17)
a of a runway. Um

[Speaker 10] (1:55:18 - 1:55:27)
Well, the the Hadley actually had a longer runway. And the what you're saying is it was six months with the when we actually focused on the R_F_P_

[Speaker 3] (1:55:27 - 1:55:27)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (1:55:27 - 1:55:36)
But with the Hadley prior to that R_F_P_ you have to remember we had a committee um we had multiple recommendations on exactly what to do and then the selectmen

[Speaker 10] (1:55:36 - 1:55:54)
Select board had to you know we had to work pretty hard as far as figuring out exactly what was our final decision on what we wanted to put in there and the final decision was a hotel versus affordable housing you know community space this and that, so it was a much longer runway than the six months, so

[Speaker 3] (1:55:55 - 1:55:57)
Right and I think some of that work we've already done right so Mm we've created

[Speaker 1] (1:55:57 - 1:55:57)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:57 - 1:55:58)
the Hawthorne areas committee

[Speaker 10] (1:55:58 - 1:55:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:59 - 1:56:19)
they've come out they've come back with a detailed recommendation we've gone we've already hired a consultant we've gone through some troubleshooting there and so now we're at the other side of it and I would say we're sort of to a similar place where Hadley was and I think that's the point Nick is trying to make like from this point if it were Hadley it would have been approximately six to eight months.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:20 - 1:56:21)
So,

[Speaker 11] (1:56:21 - 1:56:27)
And I think it's been really clear to us that the town wants to see action.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:27 - 1:56:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:27 - 1:56:30)
Whatever that looks like, whatever direction that ends up being,

[Speaker 11] (1:56:30 - 1:56:34)
I just don't think we can sit and kick the can.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:34 - 1:56:38)
I think it's definitely hard decisions all around,

[Speaker 11] (1:56:38 - 1:56:41)
but it's on us to do that. And that's what we're here for.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:41 - 1:56:46)
And I think that delaying it or, you know, dragging it out any longer,

[Speaker 11] (1:56:46 - 1:56:47)
I think.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:47 - 1:56:52)
Um, it's just not what people want, right? I think we've sat on it for a long time or

[Speaker 11] (1:56:52 - 1:56:55)
previous select however you want to describe it yeah

[Speaker 5] (1:56:55 - 1:56:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:55 - 1:56:59)
I think it's you know time to really decide what it is you

[Speaker 9] (1:56:59 - 1:57:00)
Well, yeah,

[Speaker 11] (1:57:00 - 1:57:00)
know

[Speaker 9] (1:57:00 - 1:57:01)
I think this comes in stages,

[Speaker 9] (1:57:01 - 1:57:01)
right,

[Speaker 9] (1:57:02 - 1:57:04)
in terms of developing any type of project plan.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:04 - 1:57:16)
It's the, you know, we've had the input from the community dialing back into what that input is, is what's going to be important for us to be able to prioritize and then drawing that, the envelope of choices,

[Speaker 9] (1:57:16 - 1:57:17)
right,

[Speaker 9] (1:57:17 - 1:57:19)
the framework of choices that we have, the area.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:19 - 1:57:21)
The areas of do not go past here,

[Speaker 9] (1:57:21 - 1:57:27)
stay within here. Slowly we're gonna have to kinda build that not slowly, but with with meticulous

[Speaker 1] (1:57:27 - 1:57:28)
Flexibilities.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:28 - 1:57:28)
thought, we're

[Speaker 3] (1:57:28 - 1:57:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:28 - 1:57:43)
gonna need to kind of build that frame in till we get some focus. So I would you know I think that's the I think we have plenty of time. Not n not in a bad way, 'cause I don't wanna wait till the end at all. I wanna do I wanna start this now, but

[Speaker 9] (1:57:44 - 1:57:48)
I think we have the right balance of time that we don't have to be forced into rushing

[Speaker 3] (1:57:48 - 1:57:49)
Right, we're not rushing.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:49 - 1:57:50)
No.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:50 - 1:57:50)
ill

[Speaker 3] (1:57:50 - 1:57:50)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:57:50 - 1:57:52)
decisions, but can be thoughtful about it.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:52 - 1:57:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:52 - 1:58:06)
Yeah, I think the only thing that comes to mind when I think about the timing as playing devil's advocate is you get a RFP respondents, we do not have a tenant free space until June

[Speaker 11] (1:58:06 - 1:58:06)
Twenty twenty

[Speaker 3] (1:58:06 - 1:58:07)
28.

[Speaker 11] (1:58:07 - 1:58:07)
eight.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:07 - 1:58:10)
So now an LDA can be, because

[Speaker 3] (1:58:10 - 1:58:13)
We've already leased it to the Swanston Centre for Performing

[Speaker 9] (1:58:13 - 1:58:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:13 - 1:58:17)
Arts so we are so and they're making significant investment and

[Speaker 3] (1:58:18 - 1:58:30)
you know we have a contractual obligation to allow them to utilize it for that time. So if you were to have respondents who like we would just want to be very clear in the R_F_P_ that it's not vacant and that it's

[Speaker 9] (1:58:30 - 1:58:30)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:30 - 1:58:44)
there's a tendency there. There could be due diligence that happens coincide coinciding with tendency. So I think you know we can alleviate some of those problems. But you don't want to be so far in advance that then there's twelve months of them waiting.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:44 - 1:58:49)
thing for us to have our tenancy, you know, elapse. Um

[Speaker 11] (1:58:50 - 1:59:04)
Well, I think if it's clearly stipulated that we obviously are leasing it till June 2028, I mean it's there's really no confusion there if that if you're stating that, right? Um you know, but again I think we when we

[Speaker 2] (1:59:13 - 1:59:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:13 - 1:59:22)
So I don't I just want to be cognisant of that fact. Or I don't wanna rush, I'm not saying rush, but I'm saying make substantial progress towards

[Speaker 3] (1:59:22 - 1:59:22)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:22 - 1:59:24)
what exactly we're looking for.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:24 - 1:59:31)
And we owe that to Nick, we owe that to everyone to give direction on how this moves because if it if we don't then it doesn't move.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:31 - 1:59:35)
And there's also there's also going to be some level of financing contingencies that are going to have to go

[Speaker 1] (1:59:35 - 1:59:35)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:59:35 - 1:59:35)
into a

[Speaker 1] (1:59:35 - 1:59:35)
of course,

[Speaker 4] (1:59:35 - 1:59:36)
development

[Speaker 1] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:36 - 1:59:40)
the size that will take, as we're seeing with the Hadley, substantial amounts of time.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:40 - 1:59:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:40 - 1:59:42)
So the worst case scenario that I could see is.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:43 - 1:59:47)
You know, the Swampscott Centre preforming arts vacates the space, then we still have nine months of financial

[Speaker 6] (1:59:47 - 1:59:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:47 - 1:59:49)
contingent financial contingencies

[Speaker 6] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
Wait, that's just

[Speaker 4] (1:59:49 - 1:59:50)
that may or

[Speaker 6] (1:59:50 - 1:59:50)
the point.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:50 - 1:59:51)
may not happen,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:51 - 1:59:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:51 - 1:59:58)
and then we're sitting there with a potential dilapidated buil well, at that point it won't be dilapidated, it'll be very nice, but we're sitting there with a vacant building

[Speaker 1] (1:59:59 - 1:59:59)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:59 - 2:00:03)
um that may or may not fall through depending on financial contingencies. So I think

[Speaker 7] (2:00:03 - 2:00:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:03 - 2:00:08)
there's a we gotta try and get to the Goldilocks of figuring out the right sweet spot in terms of

[Speaker 4] (2:00:09 - 2:00:10)
Not too far out, but

[Speaker 1] (2:00:10 - 2:00:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:10 - 2:00:14)
close enough where we're not Right. left with a vacant building while somebody's going through twelve to eighteen months of

[Speaker 9] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:00:14 - 2:00:14)
financing.

[Speaker 9] (2:00:14 - 2:00:18)
let's let's evaluate then it if that backing the time out

[Speaker 9] (2:00:19 - 2:00:23)
is in what that time is in terms of having to get an L_D_A_ the financing,

[Speaker 9] (2:00:24 - 2:00:27)
what is a reasonable amount of time that we could expect? Six to nine months?

[Speaker 1] (2:00:27 - 2:00:30)
Well, what was the finance contingency for Hadley? Was it

[Speaker 10] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30)
We're

[Speaker 11] (2:00:30 - 2:00:30)
Eight

[Speaker 10] (2:00:30 - 2:00:31)
still in it.

[Speaker 11] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
eight

[Speaker 10] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
We're

[Speaker 11] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
Is still in

[Speaker 1] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
eighteen.

[Speaker 10] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
still

[Speaker 4] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
we're

[Speaker 10] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
in it.

[Speaker 11] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
eight.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:31 - 2:00:31)
in it.

[Speaker 11] (2:00:31 - 2:00:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Right,

[Speaker 12] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
Up

[Speaker 1] (2:00:32 - 2:00:33)
so it's

[Speaker 12] (2:00:33 - 2:00:33)
in February.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:33 - 2:00:33)
We're in it.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:33 - 2:00:34)
eighteen months I or something?

[Speaker 12] (2:00:34 - 2:00:34)
think I have.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:34 - 2:00:35)
Jesus.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:35 - 2:00:36)
I mean

[Speaker 12] (2:00:36 - 2:00:40)
There was a ninety day due diligence period and then there was an eighteen month financing due diligence period.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:40 - 2:00:43)
And how long did it take to negotiate the D_ L_D_A_

[Speaker 1] (2:00:43 - 2:00:44)
A long time.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:44 - 2:00:44)
How

[Speaker 1] (2:00:44 - 2:00:44)
Long time.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:44 - 2:00:45)
long did it

[Speaker 1] (2:00:45 - 2:00:45)
Very

[Speaker 4] (2:00:45 - 2:00:45)
take to

[Speaker 1] (2:00:45 - 2:00:45)
long.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:45 - 2:00:45)
negotiate

[Speaker 4] (2:00:46 - 2:00:47)
negotiate the LDA.

[Speaker 12] (2:00:47 - 2:00:47)
Oh, you guys.

[Speaker 13] (2:00:47 - 2:00:48)
It was signed

[Speaker 12] (2:00:48 - 2:00:48)
It wasn't

[Speaker 13] (2:00:48 - 2:00:48)
in

[Speaker 12] (2:00:48 - 2:00:48)
that

[Speaker 13] (2:00:48 - 2:00:48)
a, well,

[Speaker 12] (2:00:48 - 2:00:49)
that long.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:49 - 2:00:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 13] (2:00:49 - 2:00:50)
it was, um,

[Speaker 14] (2:00:50 - 2:00:50)
It was

[Speaker 4] (2:00:50 - 2:00:51)
It was in the weeks.

[Speaker 13] (2:00:51 - 2:00:53)
awarded in the spring and signed in August, I think, right?

[Speaker 12] (2:00:53 - 2:00:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:53 - 2:00:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:53 - 2:00:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 13] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
four

[Speaker 9] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
So.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
months.

[Speaker 13] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
yeah,

[Speaker 12] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
yeah,

[Speaker 13] (2:00:54 - 2:00:54)
it

[Speaker 12] (2:00:54 - 2:00:56)
it was wasn't that long in the scheme of

[Speaker 4] (2:00:56 - 2:00:56)
Okay,

[Speaker 12] (2:00:56 - 2:00:57)
big

[Speaker 4] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
so you're

[Speaker 9] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
It did

[Speaker 12] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
project.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:57 - 2:00:57)
between

[Speaker 9] (2:00:57 - 2:00:58)
not grow.

[Speaker 12] (2:00:58 - 2:00:58)
each other.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:58 - 2:01:01)
everything we just discussed, though, four months

[Speaker 1] (2:01:01 - 2:01:01)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:01 - 2:01:03)
plus 90 days plus 18 months,

[Speaker 12] (2:01:03 - 2:01:03)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:03 - 2:01:04)
So we're

[Speaker 12] (2:01:04 - 2:01:04)
that's

[Speaker 9] (2:01:04 - 2:01:04)
talking

[Speaker 12] (2:01:04 - 2:01:05)
what I'm saying. Working backwards.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:05 - 2:01:07)
We're talking 24 months.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:07 - 2:01:09)
we're not collecting income during their finance phase, right?

[Speaker 12] (2:01:09 - 2:01:10)
No.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:10 - 2:01:12)
Okay, so we're holding on to it one way or the other.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:12 - 2:01:12)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 12] (2:01:12 - 2:01:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:13 - 2:01:14)
And we're paying for it.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:14 - 2:01:16)
So we've got a lot of time, but we

[Speaker 9] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
We

[Speaker 4] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
don't

[Speaker 9] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
don't

[Speaker 4] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
have a

[Speaker 9] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
have a

[Speaker 4] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
lot of

[Speaker 9] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
lot

[Speaker 4] (2:01:16 - 2:01:16)
time so

[Speaker 9] (2:01:16 - 2:01:17)
of time.

[Speaker 12] (2:01:17 - 2:01:17)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:17 - 2:01:17)
What?

[Speaker 12] (2:01:17 - 2:01:18)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:01:22 - 2:01:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:23 - 2:01:25)
So we're

[Speaker 9] (2:01:26 - 2:01:26)
Sorry.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:28 - 2:01:32)
I mean, why not shoot for October,

[Speaker 9] (2:01:32 - 2:01:33)
this October?

[Speaker 1] (2:01:34 - 2:01:34)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:34 - 2:01:35)
To open the RFP?

[Speaker 1] (2:01:35 - 2:01:36)
To have it out?

[Speaker 9] (2:01:37 - 2:01:40)
Not to hand us well, I don't know. I'm how long is it let's now

[Speaker 12] (2:01:40 - 2:01:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:40 - 2:01:47)
let's work from the front. We work from the back. Let's work from the front. So how long will it take us to establish the priorities, build that framework?

[Speaker 9] (2:01:48 - 2:01:50)
And a lot of conver and some good conversation.

[Speaker 13] (2:01:51 - 2:01:53)
You're asking the same question from the other side.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
I am,

[Speaker 12] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 13] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
And

[Speaker 9] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
from

[Speaker 12] (2:01:53 - 2:01:53)
yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:01:53 - 2:01:54)
the front.

[Speaker 13] (2:01:54 - 2:01:54)
and so I

[Speaker 12] (2:01:54 - 2:01:56)
So just say you hmm sorry.

[Speaker 13] (2:01:56 - 2:01:59)
mean from our standpoint we were trying to make sure you all knew where the.

[Speaker 13] (2:02:00 - 2:02:02)
Guard rail wasn't the end.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:03 - 2:02:03)
Thank

[Speaker 13] (2:02:03 - 2:02:03)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:02:03 - 2:02:03)
you.

[Speaker 13] (2:02:03 - 2:02:04)
y

[Speaker 12] (2:02:04 - 2:02:13)
I just think if you if you work backwards sorry I just did the math. So if you work backwards and you say there's a t a twelve month financial due diligence period which you can stipulate that in the R_F_P_ to say we aren't gonna have

[Speaker 4] (2:02:13 - 2:02:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:13 - 2:02:15)
more than twelve months of financial due diligence.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:16 - 2:02:25)
So if you go from six twenty if that brings you to six twenty seven. And then there's a ninety day due diligence period could be less than that that from when it's signed to

[Speaker 15] (2:02:25 - 2:02:25)
So that's

[Speaker 12] (2:02:25 - 2:02:25)
so that's

[Speaker 15] (2:02:25 - 2:02:26)
twenty seven.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:26 - 2:02:26)
So much.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:26 - 2:02:29)
three twenty seven. And then you it takes six months to nix

[Speaker 12] (2:02:29 - 2:02:34)
to negotiate and to pick somebody well even if you said say you said

[Speaker 1] (2:02:34 - 2:02:34)
September

[Speaker 12] (2:02:34 - 2:02:34)
April

[Speaker 1] (2:02:34 - 2:02:34)
September.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:34 - 2:02:35)
the 26th.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:35 - 2:02:36)
so you're talking about

[Speaker 4] (2:02:36 - 2:02:36)
So

[Speaker 12] (2:02:36 - 2:02:39)
September of 26 so we're talking about you know

[Speaker 1] (2:02:39 - 2:02:39)
Three months.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:39 - 2:02:40)
really only having until

[Speaker 4] (2:02:40 - 2:02:41)
The summer. Really.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:41 - 2:02:47)
probably August September you want early fall you want something to go out this year so that when you're working backwards

[Speaker 12] (2:02:47 - 2:02:54)
You're sort of lined up with the end of the short-term lease being the end of the financial, approximately the end of the financial due diligence.

[Speaker 9] (2:02:55 - 2:02:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:55 - 2:02:58)
So that then you're starting, one income stream is

[Speaker 4] (2:02:59 - 2:02:59)
Around.

[Speaker 12] (2:02:59 - 2:03:02)
replacing around the same time as one is being lost.

[Speaker 13] (2:03:02 - 2:03:02)
Of course.

[Speaker 12] (2:03:02 - 2:03:11)
So I think that's the approximate amount of timing. So maybe by the end of this summer you're looking for an RFP for us to come to a consensus on an RFP.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:11 - 2:03:18)
Which makes sense because then at, you know, winter town meeting or fall town meeting we can give an update about where we are, right? And it's

[Speaker 12] (2:03:18 - 2:03:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:18 - 2:03:20)
logical timeline.

[Speaker 12] (2:03:21 - 2:03:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:21 - 2:03:25)
We could have more definitive answers for, you know, the people that have put their trust

[Speaker 9] (2:03:25 - 2:03:25)
Did

[Speaker 1] (2:03:25 - 2:03:25)
in

[Speaker 9] (2:03:25 - 2:03:27)
so uh you can go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:27 - 2:03:27)
do this.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:28 - 2:03:29)
You can say something

[Speaker 16] (2:03:29 - 2:03:32)
So you're saying by the end of the summer to have an R_P_ You're talking four meetings?

[Speaker 12] (2:03:33 - 2:03:34)
Well, so

[Speaker 16] (2:03:34 - 2:03:35)
Does that

[Speaker 12] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
we

[Speaker 16] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
mean two

[Speaker 12] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
would

[Speaker 16] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
meetings this

[Speaker 12] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
have

[Speaker 16] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
week?

[Speaker 12] (2:03:35 - 2:03:36)
two meetings

[Speaker 1] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (2:03:36 - 2:03:37)
in July,

[Speaker 9] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
Perfect.

[Speaker 12] (2:03:37 - 2:03:37)
two

[Speaker 1] (2:03:37 - 2:03:38)
I think there's special

[Speaker 12] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
meetings

[Speaker 1] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
meetings.

[Speaker 12] (2:03:38 - 2:03:40)
in August. We could have additional meetings

[Speaker 4] (2:03:40 - 2:03:40)
Every

[Speaker 12] (2:03:40 - 2:03:40)
if week. we could.

[Speaker 16] (2:03:42 - 2:03:43)
Oh, that's great.

[Speaker 12] (2:03:43 - 2:03:44)
Whatever it takes.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:44 - 2:03:44)
Any last summer?

[Speaker 9] (2:03:44 - 2:03:56)
So I want to – one of the views that I have been kind of gathering is that what we're seeing here with the Performing Arts Center is it's a pilot.

[Speaker 9] (2:03:57 - 2:04:00)
And I think there's going to be valuable information that comes from that.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:00 - 2:04:13)
Whether or not, you know, the risk obviously there's a risk taker from the the perspective of the business, but there's these four quadrants that I kind of imagine I've expressed this in in public a couple different times, but you know

[Speaker 9] (2:04:15 - 2:04:26)
I'm hoping that they succeed. I'm hoping that the public likes it. They could find out that they didn't succeed and the what the public likes it then they could find out that they succeeded, but the public didn't like it.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:27 - 2:04:52)
And then it could be negatives on both. Either way, however this pans out, it's an amazing pilot project for us to be able to understand what the potential is for an entertainment of some sort on this property. How, and I think that may affect how we see it as a board just from the aspect of the reality of it's actually happening,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:52 - 2:04:53)
right?

[Speaker 9] (2:04:54 - 2:05:15)
I think that may give us that so this space this window assuming that they're starting up pretty quickly will give us some indication and this is in no way saying that we're going to let them go past I'm not supporting or not supporting I'm not supporting or not supporting I'm not even opining on that in terms of going past the lease I'm just saying whether or not this type of project

[Speaker 4] (2:05:15 - 2:05:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:17 - 2:05:22)
has value in the community, both for the business and for the community itself. And we're gonna find out really really quick.

[Speaker 12] (2:05:23 - 2:05:33)
Wouldn't you say the val so I agree with your original supposition, but my thought is that the re the value is really to the R_F_P_ respondent not to us.

[Speaker 12] (2:05:33 - 2:05:39)
because a respondent would come in and say look at the response that this place has gotten that's a great

[Speaker 9] (2:05:39 - 2:05:39)
Of

[Speaker 12] (2:05:39 - 2:05:39)
business

[Speaker 9] (2:05:39 - 2:05:39)
course.

[Speaker 12] (2:05:39 - 2:05:44)
model we want to make that long term and so really when I think

[Speaker 9] (2:05:44 - 2:05:45)
Good about point.

[Speaker 12] (2:05:45 - 2:05:53)
drafting the RFP I want to think about you know the well the next point whether it is open-ended such that

[Speaker 12] (2:05:54 - 2:06:00)
I'm just providing a rubric that says, while I think I want the site to be leased versus owned,

[Speaker 12] (2:06:00 - 2:06:07)
and I think I would rather, you know, score higher a property that is a lease model versus ownership,

[Speaker 9] (2:06:07 - 2:06:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:07 - 2:06:13)
I am, I might negatively do that. I'm not saying that you can't reply with an ownership model.

[Speaker 9] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:13 - 2:06:19)
And that allows the respondent to really pave the path forward and improve the business model. Now,

[Speaker 12] (2:06:19 - 2:06:21)
Now, whether they use the documentation of the current business,

[Speaker 12] (2:06:21 - 2:06:22)
great on them.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:23 - 2:06:28)
Whether they tune into these meetings and the realities of what's happening in town this summer,

[Speaker 12] (2:06:28 - 2:06:30)
I mean, that's the respondent you want.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:30 - 2:06:45)
But I don't think that it maybe should affect what the foundation is that we have heard from the community thus far from either the Hawthorne reuse committee or other committees or the community at large for the original consulting conversation.

[Speaker 12] (2:06:45 - 2:07:01)
about what the community says they want now could the lab factory of Swampscott change the committee I mean the opinions of the community absolutely um but they're limited by the by the building in the space on what they could have even started with

[Speaker 17] (2:07:01 - 2:07:02)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:07:02 - 2:07:07)
We're not going to limit anybody at all or we have the ability not to limit anybody at all if we choose not to

[Speaker 9] (2:07:07 - 2:07:09)
And that in their window them develop,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:09 - 2:07:16)
you know, the RP goes out the professionals are coming back and be paying like you said paying attention to what is actually happening in the community

[Speaker 12] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17)
Yeah

[Speaker 9] (2:07:17 - 2:07:18)
into the business

[Speaker 16] (2:07:20 - 2:07:34)
Well, from from my take on it is I think what's very critical for us is the entire economic development of that whole channel and also having open space in that area. So we have a couple variables. One is the parking lot,

[Speaker 16] (2:07:34 - 2:07:35)
St.

[Speaker 16] (2:07:35 - 2:07:42)
John's parking lot, and the other thing is uh having something there that is supportive of the hotel. And

[Speaker 16] (2:07:42 - 2:07:51)
Having the hotel there. So these are really critical. So something might work for a developer. A developer might come in and say, hey, this is gonna be great, this is gonna work for me,

[Speaker 16] (2:07:51 - 2:07:55)
but it's something that might not work to um enhance the

[Speaker 9] (2:07:55 - 2:07:56)
Core.

[Speaker 16] (2:07:56 - 2:08:06)
hotel and and enhance economic development coming out of the hotel. Um the taxes we receive from a successful hotel are pretty paramount.

[Speaker 16] (2:08:06 - 2:08:14)
to w what our financial success would be in the entire area. So I think that's really really important for us.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:15 - 2:08:17)
I'm just going to circle back to the timeline for a second.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:19 - 2:08:30)
I get concerned about trying to have a RFP launched early fall in that, you know, we talk about needing a little bit wider of a window to

[Speaker 4] (2:08:31 - 2:08:35)
Collect responses since we're not just looking at one uh use type.

[Speaker 12] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:36 - 2:08:40)
Um so if we're going from what was it ninety sixty days was the hot Hablee?

[Speaker 12] (2:08:41 - 2:08:42)
No, for the for which?

[Speaker 13] (2:08:42 - 2:08:43)
For the RFP. lease.

[Speaker 12] (2:08:44 - 2:08:46)
For the RFP it was six months.

[Speaker 18] (2:08:46 - 2:08:46)
Six months.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:46 - 2:08:47)
Six months, okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:08:47 - 2:08:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 13] (2:08:47 - 2:08:49)
It w the R_F_P_ was

[Speaker 16] (2:08:49 - 2:08:49)
From

[Speaker 13] (2:08:49 - 2:08:49)
nine

[Speaker 16] (2:08:49 - 2:08:49)
start to finish.

[Speaker 13] (2:08:49 - 2:08:50)
the R_F_P_

[Speaker 4] (2:08:50 - 2:08:51)
When it was released.

[Speaker 13] (2:08:51 - 2:08:53)
was ninety days. Start to finish was a hundred and eighty days.

[Speaker 12] (2:08:53 - 2:08:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:53 - 2:08:54)
But the the window

[Speaker 13] (2:08:54 - 2:08:54)
It

[Speaker 4] (2:08:54 - 2:08:54)
was

[Speaker 13] (2:08:54 - 2:08:56)
was getting to the agreement

[Speaker 4] (2:08:56 - 2:08:56)
open

[Speaker 13] (2:08:56 - 2:08:56)
to

[Speaker 4] (2:08:56 - 2:08:56)
to

[Speaker 13] (2:08:56 - 2:08:56)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:08:56 - 2:08:57)
submission was 90

[Speaker 12] (2:08:57 - 2:08:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 13] (2:08:57 - 2:08:58)
ninety

[Speaker 4] (2:08:58 - 2:08:58)
days.

[Speaker 13] (2:08:58 - 2:08:58)
days.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:58 - 2:08:59)
So I would get concerned about getting

[Speaker 1] (2:09:03 - 2:09:24)
Halloween Christmas night or something like that because we also have to consider if we're going to market this and trying to market this to the development community and as widespread of a response community as we can where we have to also consider the amount of time it takes to develop a marketing plan to get that enacted and that'll that takes runway having doing

[Speaker 4] (2:09:24 - 2:09:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:25 - 2:09:29)
that for a living that takes a lot of runway too so I'm getting concerned of a

[Speaker 1] (2:09:29 - 2:09:50)
A, we've got to get this R_F_P_ written in the next two four six meetings and then we've also gotta consider if we're gonna hire somebody to help market it. And then we've gotta find money to pay for it. And then we've gotta tell them how to do it. That's a lot to do in six meetings or three months. And um then we're also getting close to battling with the response deadline that comes around the holidays, which is just a little wrench to throw in there.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:51 - 2:09:54)
So I I would the response deadline for Hadley was

[Speaker 5] (2:09:54 - 2:09:55)
mid-december.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:55 - 2:09:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:56 - 2:10:02)
So that I I would caution against worrying about that if it's a good opportunity, it's a good opportunity.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:03 - 2:10:05)
Agreed. I'm I'm thinking about more from the marketing

[Speaker 5] (2:10:05 - 2:10:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:05 - 2:10:10)
perspective of it and them battling to market this at a time when it's going to be more.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:12 - 2:10:14)
costly and more difficult to market.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:14 - 2:10:28)
And I just want to highlight what we're asking of you all is not that you need to do everything that you laid out in those six meetings. The majority of that is you all come to a directional decision and we do it and we come back to you.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:29 - 2:10:47)
tell you what we've done during our normal full-time work hours, because you all are volunteers. And so we'll need the expertise, we will need input on more than one occasion. But I would I want to make sure you all are focused on the big decisions that are really important, so that you can sort of point us in the right direction to execute on things and bring them back to you,

[Speaker 6] (2:10:47 - 2:10:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:48 - 2:10:53)
so that you don't feel like you have to carry the entire weight in your meetings over the next two or four or six months.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:57 - 2:11:06)
So, are so Ted, in thinking about your timeline, if you ideally had a better timeline, would it mean that the R_P_ would not go out until af 20 until

[Speaker 1] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
No, I think

[Speaker 7] (2:11:06 - 2:11:06)
27

[Speaker 1] (2:11:06 - 2:11:07)
the R_P_

[Speaker 7] (2:11:07 - 2:11:07)
or

[Speaker 1] (2:11:07 - 2:11:08)
sorry, I

[Speaker 7] (2:11:08 - 2:11:12)
the responses wouldn't be owed back until after 2027 so that you weren't in that sweet

[Speaker 1] (2:11:12 - 2:11:13)
Early

[Speaker 7] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
spot?

[Speaker 1] (2:11:13 - 2:11:19)
into 2027, so it gives us the runway to figure out how we're gonna build a rubric, how we're gonna craft the R_F_P_

[Speaker 7] (2:11:19 - 2:11:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:19 - 2:11:21)
meanwhile figuring out and allowing

[Speaker 1] (2:11:22 - 2:11:34)
You know, Nick and Marcy and the team there to figure out how we're gonna market it, if we're gonna need additional paid assistance to market it to the development community. Like those are two parallel tracks that need to operate independently, but one can't

[Speaker 1] (2:11:34 - 2:11:39)
really start in detail until the other gets more well thought through.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:39 - 2:12:00)
So I would think you know that the holiday thing is small potatoes but it also plays into that. I would imagine if we can get the details of an RFP worked out by early fall and then at that point that gives us a little bit more legs to develop how we're going to market it to the development community for responses. That puts us closer to October-ish. Responses after 90 days for that are January.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:01 - 2:12:15)
which is not unreasonable and at least gets through some of that busy time for media and gets into new fiscal year for companies that will be able to have better forecasting for what RFPs are going to respond to.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:16 - 2:12:21)
Do we have, I asked this at last meeting regarding the adjacent property,

[Speaker 9] (2:12:21 - 2:12:23)
the parking lot, do

[Speaker 9] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25)
we

[Speaker 9] (2:12:27 - 2:12:34)
Do we ask for an RFP, you know, for for a contender, for someone who's gonna put an RFP together for a with and without option?

[Speaker 10] (2:12:34 - 2:12:34)
You could.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:34 - 2:12:45)
Thus then if they can come back with the development that makes sense with a with option, there becomes a detailed discussion on how to finance that.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:47 - 2:12:48)
'Cause it's not free.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:49 - 2:12:50)
And it's a

[Speaker 10] (2:12:51 - 2:12:52)
Well, we need the timeline for that.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:53 - 2:12:55)
That's kind of where I'm

[Speaker 11] (2:12:55 - 2:12:56)
Right. So we need the timeline for

[Speaker 9] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
The

[Speaker 11] (2:12:56 - 2:12:57)
for

[Speaker 9] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
owner does.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:57 - 2:13:05)
the grant for the grant proposal. We need a timeline for what it would look like in capital, what the breakdown is financially.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:08 - 2:13:10)
The grant respective to...

[Speaker 7] (2:13:11 - 2:13:12)
The purchase of the property.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:13 - 2:13:13)
Ah.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:15 - 2:13:17)
That can be like an incoming grant for money.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:17 - 2:13:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:18 - 2:13:19)
It would be.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:19 - 2:13:24)
So up to a million dollars grant opportunity to purchase the parcel.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:24 - 2:13:25)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:25 - 2:13:26)
That's what's been discussed.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:28 - 2:13:29)
So.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:33 - 2:13:34)
Yeah, I guess...

[Speaker 7] (2:13:36 - 2:13:46)
To more solidify that point, we do have to determine if this is an RFP just for Hawthorne with an asterisk of wouldn't it be great if we owned this adjoining parcel,

[Speaker 7] (2:13:46 - 2:13:54)
what's your vision look like, or if it is simply like let's just be concerned with what we have in our basket right now.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:54 - 2:13:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:54 - 2:13:55)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:13:55 - 2:14:00)
I think we would have a difficult time as a public entity asking for responses on

[Speaker 11] (2:14:00 - 2:14:01)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:01 - 2:14:01)
property

[Speaker 11] (2:14:01 - 2:14:01)
On a

[Speaker 7] (2:14:01 - 2:14:01)
On

[Speaker 5] (2:14:01 - 2:14:01)
that

[Speaker 11] (2:14:01 - 2:14:01)
maybe

[Speaker 7] (2:14:01 - 2:14:01)
a property

[Speaker 5] (2:14:01 - 2:14:02)
we don't

[Speaker 7] (2:14:02 - 2:14:02)
we

[Speaker 11] (2:14:02 - 2:14:02)
don't.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:02 - 2:14:02)
control and own.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:02 - 2:14:03)
On

[Speaker 11] (2:14:03 - 2:14:03)
On

[Speaker 5] (2:14:03 - 2:14:03)
a mm

[Speaker 11] (2:14:03 - 2:14:03)
a maybe,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:03 - 2:14:03)
-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:03 - 2:14:14)
right. And let's not forget the um Hawthorne committee did draft plans with including potentially having the parking lot.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:14 - 2:14:28)
So we do have some general idea of what could be there, right, because they did a lot of that work, a lot and and we have that if we needed to. But I mean, we've been talking about the parking lot.

[Speaker 12] (2:14:30 - 2:14:41)
for the church for how many years now so I don't think we can sit and sit on that to to form this to start forming this decision personally

[Speaker 9] (2:14:43 - 2:14:44)
Part of there's chicken and the egg

[Speaker 11] (2:14:44 - 2:14:45)
I don't see how we not.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:45 - 2:14:55)
I mean, I think it's I think that I think we have to make a decision on what's happening with that parking lot because that'll add a significant

[Speaker 11] (2:14:57 - 2:15:08)
issue as far as what we're going to do, 'cause if we have that parking lot, that adds more significant amount of space which checks a lot of boxes and it it'll give

[Speaker 5] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
For

[Speaker 11] (2:15:08 - 2:15:08)
whoever's

[Speaker 5] (2:15:08 - 2:15:09)
presentation.

[Speaker 11] (2:15:09 - 2:15:20)
going to issue an R_F_P_ you know w you know if we if we can protect open space and add a little bit more open space or do whatever and then also, you know have uh

[Speaker 11] (2:15:22 - 2:15:30)
you know, businesses and parking that pretty much gives us everything that we've been asking for that that people have been. So I I think it's really important.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:31 - 2:15:35)
But we're also asking people to pay more millions of dollars than

[Speaker 9] (2:15:35 - 2:15:36)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:36 - 2:15:44)
for a lot where they've already given us the authority to purchase a lot for millions of dollars that we're paying for every single month that sits there.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:44 - 2:15:56)
So I just want to be cognizant of what we're asking this town to do. I'm not sure that there's an appetite for additional spend of that level.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:56 - 2:15:57)
right,

[Speaker 12] (2:15:57 - 2:15:59)
for that parking lot by town meeting at this point.

[Speaker 12] (2:15:59 - 2:16:03)
We haven't even broached that subject. We haven't even remotely,

[Speaker 12] (2:16:03 - 2:16:07)
you know, checked the temperature on that. And I'm hesitant,

[Speaker 12] (2:16:07 - 2:16:12)
quite honestly, because I can't even tell you what the plan is for X, but yet I want to tell you to buy Y.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:12 - 2:16:18)
So here's why I was saying what I was saying before, which is exactly because of that, is if you had

[Speaker 9] (2:16:19 - 2:16:24)
someone who said, if I had that I could do X, and then it becomes

[Speaker 12] (2:16:24 - 2:16:24)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:24 - 2:16:27)
an influential reason why we could go about it.

[Speaker 12] (2:16:28 - 2:16:28)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:28 - 2:16:33)
It could it could it could have economic development opportunity that the number makes sense.

[Speaker 12] (2:16:34 - 2:16:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:34 - 2:16:39)
Because right now going into it and saying we want to spend X for whatever space that is without a plan,

[Speaker 12] (2:16:39 - 2:16:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:40 - 2:16:41)
as a resident I would be

[Speaker 12] (2:16:41 - 2:16:42)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:42 - 2:16:43)
questioning that too.

[Speaker 12] (2:16:43 - 2:16:43)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:16:44 - 2:17:08)
It's hard because, you know, could it potentially I mean I would have thought that this situation with the parking lot would have resolved itself by now. We would have had a more clear path to either doing it or not. And it just hasn't unfolded that way. So I'm hesitant about the amount of time it will take, right, to actually, to you know figure out if it's a viable option, that, you know.

[Speaker 12] (2:17:09 - 2:17:15)
That'll I I don't want that to be the enemy of getting something decided about this parcel,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:15 - 2:17:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (2:17:15 - 2:17:17)
this very important parcel. I don't know.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:17 - 2:17:27)
I respect that, but I also don't want to miss a major opportunity that we're not going to get yet again.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:27 - 2:17:33)
So we also have we have opportunity for a million dollar grant,

[Speaker 11] (2:17:33 - 2:17:34)
federal grant.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:34 - 2:17:36)
We also have.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:37 - 2:17:42)
uh the additional monies, the C_V_

[Speaker 1] (2:17:42 - 2:17:42)
C_

[Speaker 12] (2:17:42 - 2:17:42)
S_V_

[Speaker 1] (2:17:42 - 2:17:43)
P_C_P_A_ CPA.

[Speaker 12] (2:17:43 - 2:17:43)
C_P_

[Speaker 11] (2:17:43 - 2:17:59)
C_P_A_ money to help um offset um I just think it's an op I think it's an opportunity that we cannot just say well we haven't made it happen just yet um

[Speaker 11] (2:18:00 - 2:18:17)
let's just go ahead and and deal with this one property, this one side the Hawthorn. We haven't been able to clt close it up with the parking lot. So let's just focus here. I mean I understand it's gonna take a little bit more patience, but in the long-run I think it's a major asset for the entire town long-term.

[Speaker 12] (2:18:18 - 2:18:20)
I don't know if it's as much patience as it is.

[Speaker 12] (2:18:21 - 2:18:36)
you know, the appetite of people in this town given our current financial situation and the level of frustration that people are dealing with with us owning this property for as long as we have at this point and and failed to do anything with it.

[Speaker 7] (2:18:36 - 2:18:40)
I don't think it's just frustration about this property. I think it's like

[Speaker 7] (2:18:40 - 2:18:44)
We've cut budgets across the town departments.

[Speaker 7] (2:18:44 - 2:18:46)
We're talking about schools,

[Speaker 7] (2:18:47 - 2:18:51)
you know, like not being able to give the schools all they're asking for.

[Speaker 7] (2:18:51 - 2:18:54)
We're talking about other, you know, Tom came.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
That's fair.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
and

[Speaker 3] (2:19:01 - 2:19:02)
Police,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
That's fair.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:02 - 2:19:03)
fire,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
and

[Speaker 3] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
I mean, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:03 - 2:19:11)
it's not and you know if we had the ability to do it all we would we have the appetite to but I just

[Speaker 1] (2:19:12 - 2:19:18)
Well, obviously support what the majority of the board does, and I'm not typically the negative,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:18 - 2:19:31)
you know, naysayer, but I mean, we bought a $7 million parcel and we, some people thought it was totally going to be open space and some people thought it was going to be a vision that now we likely,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:32 - 2:19:37)
although we, some of us would like to see it, probably cannot afford to facilitate,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:37 - 2:19:39)
you know, a park is very expensive.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:39 - 2:19:46)
expensive you have to upkeep it and it's not what is going to provide substantial in

[Speaker 1] (2:19:47 - 2:20:02)
you know reoccurring revenue for us and so we have to be more thoughtful about it and to me it's hard then to come forward and say oh but wait for just a couple million more we could have this other piece and we can give you exactly what you asked for like

[Speaker 1] (2:20:03 - 2:20:06)
I don't feel super great about it,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:06 - 2:20:10)
but can I see a world where we could try to make it happen?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:10 - 2:20:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:10 - 2:20:13)
and I'm not going to stand in anybody's way to try to do that, but I just,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:13 - 2:20:15)
I've been very honest with the board,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:15 - 2:20:15)
and that

[Speaker 4] (2:20:15 - 2:20:16)
And I think is that to

[Speaker 1] (2:20:16 - 2:20:16)
not,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:16 - 2:20:17)
think

[Speaker 1] (2:20:17 - 2:20:17)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:20:17 - 2:20:19)
of CPC at this point.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:19 - 2:20:24)
is like an option for us. I don't even think that's in our purview remotely.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:24 - 2:20:25)
It's not. The CPC

[Speaker 4] (2:20:25 - 2:20:25)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:20:25 - 2:20:28)
is the, can we right. agree Preservation Act will create a committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:28 - 2:20:28)
right.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:28 - 2:20:29)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:29 - 2:20:29)
The committee

[Speaker 5] (2:20:29 - 2:20:29)
Are you impressed?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:29 - 2:20:29)
exists now.

[Speaker 6] (2:20:29 - 2:20:30)
They already have the committee met.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:30 - 2:20:35)
They will only have seven hundred and seventy something thousand dollars No,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:35 - 2:20:36)
No they'll have double that.

[Speaker 6] (2:20:36 - 2:20:36)
They'll have two

[Speaker 4] (2:20:36 - 2:20:37)
They'll have double

[Speaker 6] (2:20:37 - 2:20:37)
two that. years in the first

[Speaker 4] (2:20:37 - 2:20:38)
They'll

[Speaker 6] (2:20:38 - 2:20:38)
period.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:38 - 2:20:38)
have enough money.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:38 - 2:20:39)
Okay, so

[Speaker 4] (2:20:39 - 2:20:40)
They'll have enough money to cover a bond.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:40 - 2:20:41)
but they have to

[Speaker 4] (2:20:41 - 2:20:41)
If

[Speaker 1] (2:20:41 - 2:20:41)
split

[Speaker 4] (2:20:41 - 2:20:41)
they have that a number

[Speaker 1] (2:20:41 - 2:20:42)
between three.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:42 - 2:20:43)
of things that

[Speaker 7] (2:20:44 - 2:20:45)
Yeah, there's three priorities that

[Speaker 4] (2:20:45 - 2:20:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:45 - 2:20:46)
they need to hit.

[Speaker 9] (2:20:46 - 2:20:47)
Open space, cool.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:47 - 2:20:47)
Minimums

[Speaker 4] (2:20:47 - 2:20:47)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:47 - 2:20:48)
on.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:48 - 2:20:48)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:48 - 2:20:52)
And it's open space, affordable housing and um historic

[Speaker 4] (2:20:52 - 2:20:52)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:52 - 2:20:53)
preservation.

[Speaker 9] (2:20:53 - 2:20:53)
Preservation, right.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:54 - 2:20:57)
It is completely outside the five of yours control other

[Speaker 4] (2:20:57 - 2:20:58)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:58 - 2:21:00)
than the appointee that you have.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:00 - 2:21:01)
Right, as is the grant really,

[Speaker 7] (2:21:01 - 2:21:01)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:21:01 - 2:21:01)
right?

[Speaker 7] (2:21:01 - 2:21:02)
so in

[Speaker 1] (2:21:02 - 2:21:02)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:02 - 2:21:06)
it we we as general government would make a

[Speaker 7] (2:21:07 - 2:21:12)
um request of them for funding, and it would be competing against other priorities

[Speaker 4] (2:21:12 - 2:21:13)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:13 - 2:21:14)
that other organisations and other parts of

[Speaker 4] (2:21:14 - 2:21:15)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:15 - 2:21:17)
so I I just wanna highlight it

[Speaker 7] (2:21:17 - 2:21:21)
As Doug talked about it as well, for different priorities, uh uh uh

[Speaker 4] (2:21:21 - 2:21:21)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:21 - 2:21:22)
related

[Speaker 1] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
to We

[Speaker 7] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
open

[Speaker 1] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
spent

[Speaker 7] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
space

[Speaker 1] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
that

[Speaker 7] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
money

[Speaker 7] (2:21:22 - 2:21:22)
development.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:22 - 2:21:23)
three times

[Speaker 4] (2:21:23 - 2:21:23)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:23 - 2:21:24)
over by now.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:24 - 2:21:24)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (2:21:24 - 2:21:24)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:24 - 2:21:25)
We don't even have the

[Speaker 7] (2:21:25 - 2:21:25)
It

[Speaker 4] (2:21:25 - 2:21:25)
authority to do that.

[Speaker 7] (2:21:25 - 2:21:31)
it is it would be competing with everything else and it would be something that we would submit and advocate for and and ask for support of.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:31 - 2:21:42)
So if that's how we're thinking of the funding source for this parking lot, that gives me pause, because I don't in my head know that I can count on either of those avenues. Now grants may be,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:43 - 2:21:47)
You know, sometimes we're successful with them, sometimes we're not, right? So

[Speaker 11] (2:21:47 - 2:21:47)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:21:47 - 2:21:47)
what

[Speaker 11] (2:21:47 - 2:21:47)
is it?

[Speaker 4] (2:21:47 - 2:21:49)
else are we gonna afford this parking lot?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:50 - 2:21:54)
I think we sh not to totally cut off this conversation but we are here to really

[Speaker 4] (2:21:54 - 2:21:54)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:54 - 2:21:57)
talk about the substance of the Hawthorne RFP I understand it's parallel the

[Speaker 4] (2:21:57 - 2:21:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:57 - 2:22:12)
the the no pun intended the parking lot is parallel to this conversation however I think there are some foundational things that we are not talking about as far as like actual information that is needed for Hawthorne that we should probably do our best to

[Speaker 1] (2:22:12 - 2:22:13)
Veer back towards.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:13 - 2:22:14)
Here in the back,

[Speaker 12] (2:22:14 - 2:22:14)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:22:14 - 2:22:14)
yeah.

[Speaker 12] (2:22:14 - 2:22:19)
let's also be really clear, the Noana group when they submitted the RFP for the Hob, uh the Hadley

[Speaker 1] (2:22:19 - 2:22:19)
Hadley.

[Speaker 12] (2:22:20 - 2:22:27)
essentially insinuated that they were buying three commercial properties next to it to combine with the hotel and said we have the resources to do this if you'd like.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:27 - 2:22:27)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:22:27 - 2:22:33)
I think we've talked about this project long enough tonight that a developer worth their salt is going to understand.

[Speaker 12] (2:22:34 - 2:22:34)
the diverse

[Speaker 1] (2:22:34 - 2:22:35)
other maybe

[Speaker 12] (2:22:35 - 2:22:35)
opinion

[Speaker 1] (2:22:35 - 2:22:35)
the

[Speaker 12] (2:22:35 - 2:22:36)
on the process on

[Speaker 1] (2:22:36 - 2:22:36)
partnership

[Speaker 12] (2:22:36 - 2:22:36)
the parcel.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:36 - 2:22:37)
would be made if they could

[Speaker 12] (2:22:38 - 2:22:38)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:38 - 2:22:39)
facilitate, yeah.

[Speaker 12] (2:22:39 - 2:22:44)
Yeah. The one thing I would say is we shouldn't let the perfectly good be the enemy of the perfect.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:44 - 2:22:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:22:44 - 2:22:52)
I would hate to delay an RFP and put us in a timeline of potential not having income because we're trying to do something that may or may not happen.

[Speaker 12] (2:22:54 - 2:22:55)
Meanwhile, I'm not

[Speaker 12] (2:22:57 - 2:23:03)
I am recalling the public comment tonight of the six hundred thousand dollars for one Salem Street that was ignored and

[Speaker 4] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 12] (2:23:03 - 2:23:04)
the Yep. three point five million dollars

[Speaker 13] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:23:04 - 2:23:14)
for the Temple property that was developed into whatever that prop property is and then all of these things where they're expensive at the time but a few years later man woulda shoulda coulda so

[Speaker 4] (2:23:14 - 2:23:15)
Right.

[Speaker 13] (2:23:15 - 2:23:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (2:23:15 - 2:23:15)
those

[Speaker 1] (2:23:15 - 2:23:15)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:23:15 - 2:23:17)
are hard to say at the same time but we

[Speaker 12] (2:23:18 - 2:23:18)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:23:18 - 2:23:18)
It

[Speaker 12] (2:23:18 - 2:23:18)
kind

[Speaker 1] (2:23:18 - 2:23:18)
is hard.

[Speaker 12] (2:23:18 - 2:23:19)
We kind

[Speaker 1] (2:23:19 - 2:23:19)
We do

[Speaker 12] (2:23:19 - 2:23:20)
of have to consider both of them at the same time.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:20 - 2:23:22)
$10 million to acquire Archer Street

[Speaker 4] (2:23:22 - 2:23:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:22 - 2:23:23)
and this property.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:23 - 2:23:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:23 - 2:23:24)
So for

[Speaker 12] (2:23:24 - 2:23:24)
100%.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:24 - 2:23:29)
sure we were losing open space time after time missed opportunities. But I

[Speaker 4] (2:23:29 - 2:23:29)
Yes, I know

[Speaker 1] (2:23:29 - 2:23:30)
find

[Speaker 4] (2:23:30 - 2:23:30)
all of them.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:30 - 2:23:40)
it difficult thinking back like this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. And now I think maybe I'm jaded after all my years on the board, but how many once in a lifetime opportunities are going to come about in my six years here?

[Speaker 1] (2:23:40 - 2:23:42)
Like it feels a little much, but is

[Speaker 12] (2:23:42 - 2:23:43)
It's all because you're on the board that all of them.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:43 - 2:23:44)
it?

[Speaker 12] (2:23:44 - 2:23:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:44 - 2:23:44)
That's.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:44 - 2:23:44)
It's

[Speaker 12] (2:23:44 - 2:23:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:45 - 2:23:46)
hysterical.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:47 - 2:23:48)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:48 - 2:23:49)
so.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:50 - 2:24:03)
Do did anybody did anybody have any so I wrote some things down about just the RFP itself like topics that I think we maybe if people don't have thoughts or opinions about tonight we should think about having thoughts or opinions about very soon.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:04 - 2:24:17)
So you know the least or own preference like if a respondent is are we saying like there is no ownership possibility here is it just a 99 year lease is it a shorter term lease if they propose to be owners of the property would we consider sale as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:17 - 2:24:17)
sale is part of it.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:18 - 2:24:24)
If you did consider sale as part of it, what would a deed restriction might look like if you didn't want to see certain options on the parcel?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:25 - 2:24:33)
Do for the question of residential came up when we presented to town meeting and that was like a very hot button topic.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:33 - 2:24:33)
Very hot.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:33 - 2:24:36)
So is there and what

[Speaker 1] (2:24:37 - 2:24:55)
I have come to understand is that residential might be one of the best ways to get a project like this financed but can we cap it can we can we limit it to a square footage where we're saying like we don't want to see more than this or we'd like a response that is something around this the

[Speaker 12] (2:24:55 - 2:24:57)
Can I just ask a clarifying question?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:57 - 2:24:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (2:24:58 - 2:25:02)
What was the language of the warrant article and were there any restrictions put on it for utility of the land once

[Speaker 1] (2:25:02 - 2:25:03)
There was

[Speaker 12] (2:25:03 - 2:25:03)
it was

[Speaker 1] (2:25:03 - 2:25:03)
not.

[Speaker 12] (2:25:03 - 2:25:03)
acquired?

[Speaker 1] (2:25:03 - 2:25:06)
Mary Ellen just asked that question before the meeting and I looked it up,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:06 - 2:25:06)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:25:06 - 2:25:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:06 - 2:25:11)
and the there is no deed restriction on the parcel right now, unlike

[Speaker 12] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:11 - 2:25:19)
Hadley which there is for um a deed restriction for residential um on that parcel. Angela's gonna help me. Go ahead.

[Speaker 12] (2:25:19 - 2:25:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 14] (2:25:20 - 2:25:23)
Um if you wouldn't mind, I just want to to bring up

[Speaker 14] (2:25:24 - 2:25:48)
A c a couple things that are really important regarding residential on that site. Um when we first had an opportunity to buy both properties, it was present for all these meetings um the original developer, Leggat McCall came to the town, sort of a pre-application review. Marzie remembers, she was there. They came and they put up two slides, and one was a horseshoe shaped mixed-use sort of

[Speaker 14] (2:25:48 - 2:26:06)
a fancy development with about sixty four condo units on the Hawthorne site and the other one was about ninety units at the Glover I'm sorry, about ninety units at the Glover site, um both of which, you know,

[Speaker 14] (2:26:06 - 2:26:10)
We said initially just said no to,

[Speaker 14] (2:26:10 - 2:26:16)
but the whole idea was we didn't want to see condos sitting on the Hawthorne site.

[Speaker 14] (2:26:16 - 2:26:26)
This was not just we, it was me and community development and there were a couple of members of the select board who are no longer on the select board now that were with us.

[Speaker 14] (2:26:28 - 2:26:36)
And in any event, the whole reason that we bought the property was to prevent a residential development from going there.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:36 - 2:26:36)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (2:26:36 - 2:26:40)
That's the reason. If you go back and look at the purchase and sale agreements,

[Speaker 14] (2:26:40 - 2:26:47)
the agreements with Leggett when they got Leggett to drop their bid for the Hawthorne property and just buy the Glover property,

[Speaker 14] (2:26:48 - 2:26:52)
when we agreed to zone the Glover to rezone a 40R at the Glover.

[Speaker 14] (2:26:52 - 2:27:13)
to make it available to Leggett McCall for 96 units, we did so as a trade so that they would drop the Hawthorne property because we did not want to see residential units there and that we felt that this was again an expense that was being, you know, rather an investment for the town.

[Speaker 14] (2:27:14 - 2:27:16)
The way it was presented at a town meeting,

[Speaker 14] (2:27:16 - 2:27:19)
you know, everybody remembers there was, you know, unfortunately

[Speaker 14] (2:27:19 - 2:27:28)
or should I have kind of a slide that went up there, but it was presented as we're going to have open space and they show like a little small building along Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 14] (2:27:28 - 2:27:34)
but their promise that was made, if we could all go back and watch the video of that town meeting,

[Speaker 14] (2:27:34 - 2:27:36)
because it's available,

[Speaker 14] (2:27:36 - 2:27:42)
was that there'll be no residential, there'll never be residential development here. In

[Speaker 14] (2:27:43 - 2:27:45)
Our Hawthorne committee meetings,

[Speaker 14] (2:27:45 - 2:27:50)
which I was a part of, there are some of the members, not me,

[Speaker 14] (2:27:50 - 2:27:51)
were supportive of residential.

[Speaker 14] (2:27:52 - 2:27:53)
I'm very much opposed to it,

[Speaker 14] (2:27:54 - 2:28:10)
and I can tell you that on that site it's a business, it's a B2 zone site where as a planning board and as a planning department we're trying to get away from allowing commercial properties to be down zoned into.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:09 - 2:28:10)
into residential.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:10 - 2:28:13)
We lose money on that.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:13 - 2:28:16)
It feels like a quick fix. It's not.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:16 - 2:28:17)
Okay?

[Speaker 14] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18)
It's a lot.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:18 - 2:28:20)
We all know we've got a split tax rate.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:21 - 2:28:36)
It's the worst possible thing that could happen at that site, which is a site that is unprecedented on the coastline of Massachusetts. And that's just a fact that we were able to determine. There's no open site like that any place.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:36 - 2:28:37)
along the ocean.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:38 - 2:28:38)
So bottom

[Speaker 1] (2:28:38 - 2:28:39)
Thanks, everybody.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:39 - 2:28:49)
line was just one more thing about residential is there is inadequate parking there for residential and we also made the point that it would take away the sense of ownership of that property.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:51 - 2:28:51)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (2:28:51 - 2:28:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:51 - 2:28:51)
you.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:51 - 2:28:55)
I appreciate the, we're not going to take public comment, Brian,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:55 - 2:28:56)
but I appreciate the historical zoning.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:56 - 2:28:57)
No, no, no, no.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:57 - 2:28:58)
I appreciate,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:58 - 2:28:59)
excuse me, sir,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:59 - 2:29:01)
excuse me one moment, if I could just finish my sentence.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:02 - 2:29:06)
I appreciate the historical zoning and negotiation background,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:06 - 2:29:08)
which occurred when we acquired the property,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:09 - 2:29:10)
which is...

[Speaker 2] (2:29:09 - 2:29:11)
is paramount to this conversation

[Speaker 4] (2:29:11 - 2:29:11)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (2:29:11 - 2:29:11)
to

[Speaker 4] (2:29:11 - 2:29:11)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:11 - 2:29:16)
make sure we are at the foundation trying to keep in line with that background, which

[Speaker 4] (2:29:16 - 2:29:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:17 - 2:29:22)
none of us were here for because most of this was negotiated right before we joined the board.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:22 - 2:29:22)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:22 - 2:29:25)
So thank you for that. Brian,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:25 - 2:29:29)
we are not I understand you would like to say something, but I appreciate

[Speaker 1] (2:29:29 - 2:29:29)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:29 - 2:29:29)
I Brian

[Speaker 1] (2:29:29 - 2:29:30)
would like to my God.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:30 - 2:29:31)
please.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:33 - 2:29:40)
I asked the planning board background and historic information from a representative from the planning board.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:40 - 2:29:43)
I am not asking for you to comment right now,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:43 - 2:29:46)
and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't mind respecting that.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:48 - 2:29:49)
Great,

[Speaker 5] (2:29:49 - 2:29:49)
We're not

[Speaker 2] (2:29:49 - 2:29:50)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:50 - 2:29:52)
We are moving on to commentary by the board then.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:53 - 2:29:55)
So if there is additional commentary.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:57 - 2:30:01)
Then you can join us at public comment next meeting and we can discuss the misinformation,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:02 - 2:30:02)
Brian.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:02 - 2:30:03)
What, in three minutes?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:04 - 2:30:08)
Brian, you're welcome to send us all an email like you already have.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:08 - 2:30:09)
I like what I see here.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:09 - 2:30:11)
Okay, thank you very much.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:11 - 2:30:13)
You know, that was misinformation,

[Speaker 6] (2:30:13 - 2:30:13)
this is

[Speaker 7] (2:30:13 - 2:30:13)
All

[Speaker 6] (2:30:13 - 2:30:13)
the source.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:13 - 2:30:14)
right, what's next?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:14 - 2:30:15)
Okay, so,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:15 - 2:30:16)
okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:20 - 2:30:24)
So, so are we saying that the planning board would recommend that we do not?

[Speaker 7] (2:30:25 - 2:30:29)
put residential or anything about residential in an RFP. Is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:29 - 2:30:31)
Has the planning board opined on that?

[Speaker 7] (2:30:31 - 2:30:31)
Well, that

[Speaker 1] (2:30:31 - 2:30:31)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:30:31 - 2:30:32)
did they

[Speaker 1] (2:30:32 - 2:30:32)
can't, I can't

[Speaker 7] (2:30:32 - 2:30:32)
just

[Speaker 1] (2:30:32 - 2:30:33)
Not speak

[Speaker 7] (2:30:33 - 2:30:33)
have

[Speaker 9] (2:30:33 - 2:30:33)
in my

[Speaker 1] (2:30:33 - 2:30:33)
for

[Speaker 9] (2:30:33 - 2:30:33)
time.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:33 - 2:30:34)
the entire board.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
Yeah, they

[Speaker 9] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
They're

[Speaker 7] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
just

[Speaker 9] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
haven't

[Speaker 7] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
giving

[Speaker 2] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:30:34 - 2:30:34)
spoken.

[Speaker 7] (2:30:34 - 2:30:35)
the planning board.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:35 - 2:30:36)
Yeah, I cannot speak

[Speaker 7] (2:30:36 - 2:30:36)
They're

[Speaker 1] (2:30:36 - 2:30:36)
for the entire

[Speaker 7] (2:30:36 - 2:30:37)
just giving board. us the history.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:37 - 2:30:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:38 - 2:30:43)
She was talking about it from a negotiation standpoint at the original purchase of the parcel.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:44 - 2:30:46)
It was meant to be a trade-off for

[Speaker 7] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
That's right.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:48)
Leggett McCall for the...

[Speaker 2] (2:30:49 - 2:30:49)
Glover

[Speaker 10] (2:30:49 - 2:30:50)
Glover

[Speaker 2] (2:30:50 - 2:30:50)
property

[Speaker 10] (2:30:50 - 2:30:50)
multi-family.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:50 - 2:30:51)
when

[Speaker 7] (2:30:51 - 2:30:51)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:51 - 2:30:53)
that original development was discussed.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:53 - 2:30:58)
So they said we will drop the residential thoughts at

[Speaker 2] (2:30:58 - 2:31:07)
Hawthorne and pick up the Glover which I think the town felt was much more well suited for residential development over a beachfront location

[Speaker 11] (2:31:07 - 2:31:08)
Location, right.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:08 - 2:31:18)
where it's the mouth of the commercial space right so that was the context that I was trying to ascertain there so thank you Angela

[Speaker 7] (2:31:19 - 2:31:23)
Are you asking, so are you asking our opinion, d are you

[Speaker 2] (2:31:23 - 2:31:24)
I was just laying out some like

[Speaker 12] (2:31:24 - 2:31:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:24 - 2:31:26)
some commentary that I sort of thought about.

[Speaker 7] (2:31:26 - 2:31:26)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:26 - 2:31:27)
And again,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:27 - 2:31:35)
we don't have to necessarily answer any of it or all of it tonight. But I just thought to try and start off somewhere to get the ideas flowing.

[Speaker 12] (2:31:35 - 2:31:37)
So can we just like hit the topic lists?

[Speaker 2] (2:31:37 - 2:31:38)
Yeah,

[Speaker 12] (2:31:38 - 2:31:38)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:31:38 - 2:31:38)
that's well,

[Speaker 12] (2:31:38 - 2:31:38)
then,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:38 - 2:31:38)
that's

[Speaker 12] (2:31:38 - 2:31:44)
and then, and I think we kind of got into the weeds of I like where you're going with this. Like just get like the broad topic list that we can start to.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:44 - 2:31:46)
So whether or not we should require municipal.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:46 - 2:31:55)
municipal parking or not on the space and potentially how much whether or not we require open space and potentially how much and whether that's by square footage or by percentage

[Speaker 13] (2:31:55 - 2:31:56)
Percentage of the...

[Speaker 2] (2:31:56 - 2:32:02)
of the property as a whole or you know a scope of percentage right whether

[Speaker 13] (2:32:02 - 2:32:03)
I'll talk about the water.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:03 - 2:32:11)
we would favor the removal the removal of the building and prefer a new building or whether we would rather just see the existing structure

[Speaker 2] (2:32:11 - 2:32:33)
structure remain you know what the environmental ramifications might be to keeping that building or building a new one if we're looking for I know in the Hadley RFP we were very specific about the environmental responsibility of the construction at that site so if we wanted to keep in line with that the streetscape consideration with they talked about that it streetscape

[Speaker 12] (2:32:33 - 2:32:33)
Streetscape.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:33 - 2:32:34)
what did I say scope sorry

[Speaker 6] (2:32:34 - 2:32:35)
Streakscope, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:35 - 2:32:36)
I'm thrown off a little

[Speaker 2] (2:32:36 - 2:32:45)
The streetscape consideration and how it lays across with if the church parking lot is not developed,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:45 - 2:32:49)
how it might look to have that space undeveloped and then the building right next door.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:49 - 2:32:52)
So how we might consider that and how we would like it to.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:54 - 2:32:54)
to work.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:56 - 2:33:03)
To me I wrote walkability. I know there's been a big push at Vinnin to make sure that that development is very walkable and very accessible.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:04 - 2:33:05)
God bless you.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:05 - 2:33:09)
We heard from public comment about you know how much more walkable the community is becoming.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:09 - 2:33:19)
So you know is that something we want to really focus on and make sure that however it's set up you know that we feel like there's a lot of channels to get in and around and that it feels like

[Speaker 12] (2:33:19 - 2:33:19)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:19 - 2:33:27)
You know, we're able to circumnavigate the whole space through walking and then synergy to the hotel,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:27 - 2:33:30)
obviously. So if it's something and not just the hotel,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:31 - 2:33:41)
but all the businesses in that area, but, you know, specifically the hotel coming in as, you know, helping to keep that vibrancy going in that space.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:42 - 2:33:45)
Um those are the things that I just wrote down as

[Speaker 12] (2:33:45 - 2:33:45)
It's

[Speaker 2] (2:33:45 - 2:33:45)
topics

[Speaker 12] (2:33:45 - 2:33:45)
a great

[Speaker 2] (2:33:45 - 2:33:45)
for

[Speaker 12] (2:33:45 - 2:33:45)
start.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:45 - 2:33:47)
me. Thanks, Wayne.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:48 - 2:33:49)
Appreciate it.

[Speaker 12] (2:33:49 - 2:33:50)
It's a great start.

[Speaker 12] (2:33:50 - 2:34:08)
I would highlight because the fact that we are I think there's an agreement between the balance of open space and and business development that we also we can almost bisect that at some point and talk about topics of for the open space we would like

[Speaker 12] (2:34:09 - 2:34:14)
this type of thing for the business space m you

[Speaker 2] (2:34:14 - 2:34:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (2:34:14 - 2:34:19)
and we're not defining what those spaces are, but what would we lead towards in the R_F_P_

[Speaker 7] (2:34:19 - 2:34:22)
Great hire her. What would we give more consideration to?

[Speaker 12] (2:34:22 - 2:34:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:22 - 2:34:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:23 - 2:34:25)
Yeah, and I think we can we can s sorry.

[Speaker 12] (2:34:25 - 2:34:28)
Yeah, as opposed to kind of like mapping it all together, you can m kind of map it

[Speaker 7] (2:34:28 - 2:34:29)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:34:29 - 2:34:31)
separately and it's two two branches of a tree.

[Speaker 14] (2:34:31 - 2:34:32)
So with

[Speaker 6] (2:34:32 - 2:34:32)
So

[Speaker 14] (2:34:32 - 2:34:34)
the with the development, I think the easiest

[Speaker 14] (2:34:35 - 2:34:39)
To not try to program it yourself would be to rely on the planning

[Speaker 7] (2:34:39 - 2:34:39)
Hmm?

[Speaker 14] (2:34:39 - 2:34:41)
and zoning work that's already been done.

[Speaker 7] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (2:34:43 - 2:34:47)
So it that if you you I guess to me you want to speak to the overlay.

[Speaker 14] (2:34:48 - 2:34:48)
No,

[Speaker 12] (2:34:48 - 2:34:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 14] (2:34:48 - 2:34:49)
I don't want to speak to the overlay.

[Speaker 12] (2:34:49 - 2:34:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:34:50 - 2:34:50)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:34:50 - 2:34:51)
Well, I won't ask Angela again,

[Speaker 14] (2:34:51 - 2:34:52)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:34:52 - 2:34:52)
because she

[Speaker 14] (2:34:52 - 2:34:52)
would

[Speaker 2] (2:34:52 - 2:34:52)
was

[Speaker 14] (2:34:52 - 2:34:52)
be more

[Speaker 2] (2:34:52 - 2:34:52)
already

[Speaker 14] (2:34:52 - 2:34:52)
than happy

[Speaker 2] (2:34:52 - 2:34:53)
here.

[Speaker 14] (2:34:53 - 2:34:54)
to if there's a question about the overlay district,

[Speaker 14] (2:34:54 - 2:34:57)
but what I was going to suggest is we don't know what we don't know.

[Speaker 14] (2:34:57 - 2:34:59)
Swamp Scott has a horrible track record as being developers.

[Speaker 14] (2:35:00 - 2:35:02)
I think that's pretty well established, especially tonight.

[Speaker 14] (2:35:03 - 2:35:04)
With that being said...

[Speaker 14] (2:35:06 - 2:35:12)
It's hard for us to sit in our chairs and say, here's a perfect project. Now somebody go build it and finance it and come to us and tell us what it

[Speaker 7] (2:35:12 - 2:35:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 14] (2:35:12 - 2:35:21)
what it's gonna cost you to to benefit our town. So I think it's very difficult for us to be able to say and expect to get great and

[Speaker 14] (2:35:22 - 2:35:38)
a great breadth of responses that here's the responses we want, by the way you have to have X percentage of open space, X percentage of buildings occupying, they have to be built this certain way, all sorts of things like that. I very much think we need to have our preferences and our rubric needs to emphasise the fact that we

[Speaker 15] (2:35:39 - 2:35:40)
may not want housing. So you

[Speaker 7] (2:35:40 - 2:35:41)
get What are our values

[Speaker 15] (2:35:41 - 2:35:41)
points

[Speaker 7] (2:35:41 - 2:35:41)
around?

[Speaker 15] (2:35:41 - 2:35:42)
on housing. You may

[Speaker 12] (2:35:42 - 2:35:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 15] (2:35:42 - 2:35:43)
– we may want this.

[Speaker 12] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
we need it.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:44 - 2:35:44)
Right.

[Speaker 15] (2:35:44 - 2:35:49)
Right. Weight it to our priorities. But I think it's going to be hard – any hard blocks,

[Speaker 15] (2:35:49 - 2:35:54)
you know, hard lines in the sand are not going to serve us well in terms of getting the equality of respondents that we want to get.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:54 - 2:35:56)
And we just limit ourselves if we do, right? So

[Speaker 15] (2:35:56 - 2:35:56)
There could

[Speaker 2] (2:35:56 - 2:35:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 15] (2:35:56 - 2:36:03)
be a re – and I just want to throw this out there. There could be a really great idea that has a bunch of there. I have no idea and I'm not suggesting that.

[Speaker 15] (2:36:04 - 2:36:10)
There could be a really great idea that's entirely parkland there. I don't know what I don't know and I'm not going to know what I what these responses are going to be until

[Speaker 7] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
Right.

[Speaker 15] (2:36:10 - 2:36:11)
we see them.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:11 - 2:36:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 15] (2:36:11 - 2:36:14)
So that's why I'm just suggesting we keep as wide a berth as possible,

[Speaker 15] (2:36:14 - 2:36:15)
show our preferences in our rubric,

[Speaker 7] (2:36:16 - 2:36:16)
Right.

[Speaker 15] (2:36:16 - 2:36:18)
and then evaluate what we get.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:18 - 2:36:21)
So to that end it you know sorry for it to say

[Speaker 7] (2:36:22 - 2:36:27)
some open space, some municipal parking, or you know,

[Speaker 12] (2:36:27 - 2:36:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:27 - 2:36:35)
phrases like that where it's not you have to have ten feet of park space or you know, nothing definitive or

[Speaker 15] (2:36:35 - 2:36:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:35 - 2:36:42)
closed ended, right? You're looking for more higher level general, has to include a portion, maybe it's

[Speaker 12] (2:36:42 - 2:36:42)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:42 - 2:36:43)
fifteen percent open space.

[Speaker 15] (2:36:43 - 2:36:44)
Right, and the more open

[Speaker 7] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
You know.

[Speaker 15] (2:36:44 - 2:36:47)
space you get, the higher this where you I don't know, something of that nature.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:47 - 2:36:50)
Or, you know, be ten percent municipal parking ability.

[Speaker 15] (2:36:50 - 2:36:51)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:36:51 - 2:36:51)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:51 - 2:37:00)
When we when we issued the Hadley remind me did we attach a rubric to the RFP or did that come after we we put the RFP out?

[Speaker 7] (2:37:00 - 2:37:01)
I thought it was attached.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
Do

[Speaker 14] (2:37:01 - 2:37:02)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
you think

[Speaker 7] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
Right.

[Speaker 14] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
I

[Speaker 15] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
we can capture

[Speaker 14] (2:37:02 - 2:37:06)
don't know if there that would be would I cannot think of one that would not include

[Speaker 15] (2:37:06 - 2:37:06)
that, right?

[Speaker 14] (2:37:06 - 2:37:09)
an explanation of how you can anticipate being scored.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
But

[Speaker 14] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
it's

[Speaker 14] (2:37:09 - 2:37:10)
so it speaks

[Speaker 1] (2:37:10 - 2:37:10)
like

[Speaker 14] (2:37:10 - 2:37:11)
to your priorities and your values.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:11 - 2:37:11)
Okay,

[Speaker 14] (2:37:11 - 2:37:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:11 - 2:37:12)
okay.

[Speaker 15] (2:37:12 - 2:37:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:12 - 2:37:14)
So I think the best,

[Speaker 14] (2:37:14 - 2:37:20)
It can be soft to like this is, you know, strongly encouraged, encouraged,

[Speaker 14] (2:37:21 - 2:37:22)
you know,

[Speaker 2] (2:37:22 - 2:37:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 14] (2:37:22 - 2:37:28)
like I'm not using the right phrasing, but it's like we can define it not with a number, but with words that again allow.

[Speaker 14] (2:37:28 - 2:37:34)
allow for some subjectivity so that you get a great project like Ted saying that no one at this table is anticipating

[Speaker 14] (2:37:35 - 2:37:39)
that reflects your priorities, you can you can you can find a way to cut

[Speaker 7] (2:37:39 - 2:37:50)
So a great project is going to be a great project for whoever wants to go in there, but is it a great project that's going to support what we need up and down that street, especially with the hotel?

[Speaker 7] (2:37:50 - 2:37:51)
I mean I can tell you that

[Speaker 16] (2:37:52 - 2:38:05)
You know, since day one, even before day one, you know, I've been looking at this, especially on the Finance Committee, when we were at on the Finance Committee, long before we even started talking about this, we talked about

[Speaker 16] (2:38:06 - 2:38:12)
buying the property as a Finance Committee. I mean, this is like fifteen years ago that that should have be a goal that we buy this property,

[Speaker 16] (2:38:13 - 2:38:15)
um the Hawthorne property.

[Speaker 16] (2:38:15 - 2:38:16)
So the

[Speaker 16] (2:38:17 - 2:38:18)
And I'm going to just reiterate again,

[Speaker 16] (2:38:18 - 2:38:24)
my number one concern is anything there that's going to support that hotel because the revenue,

[Speaker 16] (2:38:25 - 2:38:29)
our tax revenue from the hotel is vital to this town.

[Speaker 16] (2:38:29 - 2:38:34)
And, you know, looking at what the need is for parking down there,

[Speaker 16] (2:38:34 - 2:38:40)
having housing is going to take away from parking. We lose parking,

[Speaker 16] (2:38:40 - 2:38:42)
we lose the ability.

[Speaker 16] (2:38:43 - 2:38:44)
to have more

[Speaker 2] (2:38:53 - 2:38:53)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:53 - 2:39:05)
I'm pretty clear for myself. I d I don't want to I personally don't want to sell the property um and I don't wanna have housing only because I don't wanna take away from opportunity of commerce.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
So could we

[Speaker 3] (2:39:08 - 2:39:11)
I think your opinion I'm not judging on the opinions I'm just

[Speaker 1] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11)
from

[Speaker 1] (2:39:11 - 2:39:11)
yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:11 - 2:39:23)
the from the framework of how we're going to go about this I think the the coordination of this group like right this second I think let's hit the topics and then we go down and let's score the topics and

[Speaker 4] (2:39:23 - 2:39:23)
First

[Speaker 3] (2:39:23 - 2:39:23)
discuss

[Speaker 4] (2:39:23 - 2:39:23)
of all turnovers.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:23 - 2:39:24)
because because

[Speaker 1] (2:39:24 - 2:39:24)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:24 - 2:39:26)
you're you're opinions of value I just don't want to get off

[Speaker 5] (2:39:27 - 2:39:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:27 - 2:39:28)
On the

[Speaker 6] (2:39:28 - 2:39:28)
No,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:28 - 2:39:28)
tangent And

[Speaker 6] (2:39:28 - 2:39:28)
no, no.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:28 - 2:39:28)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:28 - 2:39:29)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:39:29 - 2:39:29)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:29 - 2:39:30)
mean I I piss agree. or walk I'm passionate about it,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:30 - 2:39:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:30 - 2:39:31)
So gonna

[Speaker 3] (2:39:31 - 2:39:31)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:31 - 2:39:31)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:31 - 2:39:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:31 - 2:39:31)
Right

[Speaker 6] (2:39:31 - 2:39:33)
yeah, I think that's the right way to handle

[Speaker 5] (2:39:33 - 2:39:33)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:39:33 - 2:39:33)
it.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:33 - 2:39:33)
we're gonna

[Speaker 1] (2:39:33 - 2:39:33)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:33 - 2:39:40)
So maybe what we can do is we can uh it is getting late, so maybe we can decide we think these are the

[Speaker 5] (2:39:40 - 2:39:40)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:39:40 - 2:39:41)
ten topics

[Speaker 5] (2:39:41 - 2:39:41)
just to

[Speaker 6] (2:39:41 - 2:39:41)
of importance.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:41 - 2:39:41)
go.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:42 - 2:40:08)
and we don't have to rank them tonight or we don't have to wait them tonight we can just decide on the topics and then the next meeting we can talk about how what the specificities are of maybe five of them or four of them and then we can go at the next meeting and then break it down a little bit like that so that number one we're not trying to you know do all this at once but also that we're being fair to the community so if somebody is really wants to come in on one of these topics they sort of have an idea and not have to attend.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:08 - 2:40:10)
end every single meeting to

[Speaker 3] (2:40:10 - 2:40:10)
And

[Speaker 6] (2:40:10 - 2:40:10)
just say.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:10 - 2:40:16)
it's an in if we have a dish I mean as we're thinking about this if we have additional one should we submit it to you as chair and then you can

[Speaker 3] (2:40:17 - 2:40:20)
bring that forward to the next meeting or

[Speaker 6] (2:40:20 - 2:40:21)
Y yeah I mean

[Speaker 3] (2:40:21 - 2:40:21)
discuss

[Speaker 6] (2:40:21 - 2:40:21)
like so

[Speaker 3] (2:40:21 - 2:40:21)
this?

[Speaker 6] (2:40:21 - 2:40:24)
so we can take the list that we I've I just

[Speaker 7] (2:40:24 - 2:40:24)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:40:24 - 2:40:25)
discussed

[Speaker 7] (2:40:25 - 2:40:25)
was just gonna say

[Speaker 6] (2:40:25 - 2:40:29)
and and we can submit any additional items to Nick and

[Speaker 3] (2:40:29 - 2:40:29)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:29 - 2:40:32)
then it we I we can create a um

[Speaker 7] (2:40:32 - 2:40:33)
Checklist of sorts.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:33 - 2:40:34)
yeah or like a

[Speaker 7] (2:40:34 - 2:40:35)
Scoring rubric.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:35 - 2:40:37)
Sco s c uh we'll start to figure out the scoring

[Speaker 6] (2:40:37 - 2:40:37)
yeah we'll start to

[Speaker 3] (2:40:37 - 2:40:38)
start

[Speaker 6] (2:40:38 - 2:40:38)
really

[Speaker 3] (2:40:38 - 2:40:38)
to scale

[Speaker 6] (2:40:38 - 2:40:39)
map this out

[Speaker 7] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
uh

[Speaker 7] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40)
let's get categories.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:40 - 2:40:43)
So would you like us to include these categories just on the agendas

[Speaker 9] (2:40:43 - 2:40:45)
and this is going forward, that way, as you're saying,

[Speaker 10] (2:40:45 - 2:40:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:46 - 2:40:53)
we're taking them in the order that we listen, whether it's alphabetical or whatever, so that if someone wants to come they can reasonably anticipate that a handful will be covered

[Speaker 6] (2:40:53 - 2:40:53)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:53 - 2:40:54)
in

[Speaker 10] (2:40:54 - 2:40:54)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:54 - 2:40:54)
an evening.

[Speaker 9] (2:40:55 - 2:40:55)
If If they're not,

[Speaker 6] (2:40:55 - 2:40:56)
someone

[Speaker 9] (2:40:56 - 2:40:56)
they

[Speaker 6] (2:40:56 - 2:40:56)
makes

[Speaker 9] (2:40:56 - 2:40:56)
know what's coming

[Speaker 6] (2:40:56 - 2:40:56)
then we'll

[Speaker 9] (2:40:56 - 2:40:57)
at the put next

[Speaker 6] (2:40:57 - 2:40:57)
all

[Speaker 9] (2:40:57 - 2:40:57)
meeting.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:57 - 2:40:57)
of them on

[Speaker 9] (2:40:57 - 2:40:58)
Exactly.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:58 - 2:41:04)
and then then and then hopefully from there we'll have a little better understanding narrowing down to like the ones we wanna focus on and then we'll be able to maybe cut them in half

[Speaker 9] (2:41:04 - 2:41:05)
It'll or just be

[Speaker 6] (2:41:05 - 2:41:05)
something

[Speaker 9] (2:41:05 - 2:41:05)
bullets

[Speaker 6] (2:41:05 - 2:41:05)
like that.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:05 - 2:41:06)
under this

[Speaker 6] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06)
topic on

[Speaker 11] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:06 - 2:41:07)
the agenda.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07)
Please.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:07 - 2:41:08)
That would be great.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:08 - 2:41:11)
So let's start with owned versus leased, right?

[Speaker 6] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11)
You want me to reread

[Speaker 11] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:11 - 2:41:12)
what I have here?

[Speaker 6] (2:41:12 - 2:41:12)
That would be

[Speaker 11] (2:41:12 - 2:41:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:12 - 2:41:12)
great.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:12 - 2:41:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13)
That'd be nice.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:13 - 2:41:14)
Sale versus leased,

[Speaker 11] (2:41:14 - 2:41:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:14 - 2:41:16)
housing residential or not,

[Speaker 11] (2:41:16 - 2:41:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:16 - 2:41:18)
um municipal parking,

[Speaker 9] (2:41:18 - 2:41:20)
Yep. open space, if so how and what type,

[Speaker 11] (2:41:21 - 2:41:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:21 - 2:41:27)
Um do we value demo? Do we want to keep it and renovate

[Speaker 11] (2:41:27 - 2:41:28)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:29 - 2:41:29)
Existing.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:29 - 2:41:35)
environment the environmental responsibility in redevelopment or demo and renovate you know renovation.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:35 - 2:41:36)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:36 - 2:41:41)
Um you said walkability is a topic right? I didn't know if that was something you were saying or

[Speaker 3] (2:41:41 - 2:41:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:41:41 - 2:41:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:41 - 2:41:42)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:42 - 2:41:43)
Streetscape, streetscape

[Speaker 6] (2:41:43 - 2:41:45)
Street scape or scope as I said originally.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:46 - 2:41:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:47 - 2:41:50)
Uh, street scape and then synergy with the hotel.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:51 - 2:41:51)
Yes, slash

[Speaker 9] (2:41:51 - 2:41:53)
I I would like slash Humphrey

[Speaker 6] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
Humphrey

[Speaker 9] (2:41:53 - 2:41:53)
Street.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:53 - 2:41:54)
Street corridor.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:54 - 2:41:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:55 - 2:41:56)
Commercial synergy.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:57 - 2:41:57)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:58 - 2:41:59)
Okay, so

[Speaker 3] (2:41:59 - 2:41:59)
Oh, but, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:59 - 2:41:59)
so

[Speaker 11] (2:41:59 - 2:42:00)
If that

[Speaker 6] (2:42:00 - 2:42:00)
anything

[Speaker 11] (2:42:00 - 2:42:00)
was a ten,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:00 - 2:42:00)
I didn't?

[Speaker 11] (2:42:00 - 2:42:01)
that

[Speaker 6] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
That

[Speaker 11] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
is

[Speaker 6] (2:42:01 - 2:42:02)
is one two three

[Speaker 3] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
it's five nine.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:02 - 2:42:04)
six seven eight nine.

[Speaker 9] (2:42:04 - 2:42:05)
Somebody's going to come up with a tenth.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:05 - 2:42:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
We've got to have

[Speaker 6] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
so

[Speaker 9] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
an even

[Speaker 6] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
we

[Speaker 9] (2:42:06 - 2:42:06)
number.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:06 - 2:42:13)
don't have to come up with it tonight, if something comes up that people think about, we can submit it to Nick and Nick will, um will facilitate it

[Speaker 3] (2:42:13 - 2:42:17)
I think we were reviewing that the Hawthorne Committee report might,

[Speaker 11] (2:42:17 - 2:42:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:17 - 2:42:18)
as we're thinking about

[Speaker 11] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
What,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
this,

[Speaker 11] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
it was

[Speaker 3] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
it might

[Speaker 11] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
fake

[Speaker 3] (2:42:18 - 2:42:19)
have picked

[Speaker 11] (2:42:19 - 2:42:19)
reviews.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:19 - 2:42:19)
up something leading

[Speaker 6] (2:42:19 - 2:42:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:19 - 2:42:20)
up to

[Speaker 6] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
most of these

[Speaker 3] (2:42:20 - 2:42:20)
the I next

[Speaker 6] (2:42:20 - 2:42:22)
took from the Hawthorne Committee report to

[Speaker 3] (2:42:22 - 2:42:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:22 - 2:42:22)
be fair.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:22 - 2:42:23)
exactly.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:23 - 2:42:23)
Like

[Speaker 11] (2:42:23 - 2:42:23)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:23 - 2:42:25)
that I was reviewing it, I was like okay these are the

[Speaker 6] (2:42:25 - 2:42:26)
the topics that they

[Speaker 11] (2:42:26 - 2:42:26)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:26 - 2:42:31)
talked about at large and this is you know where they spend most of their time to get to their conclusions so we're

[Speaker 12] (2:42:31 - 2:42:34)
Without diving into too much detail on it,

[Speaker 12] (2:42:34 - 2:42:43)
out of curiosity, what were the environmental considerations for the Hawthorne or Hadley RFP beyond the super stretch ultra building code that we had authorized two years ago?

[Speaker 6] (2:42:43 - 2:42:44)
super stretch passive house

[Speaker 11] (2:42:44 - 2:42:45)
Passive

[Speaker 6] (2:42:45 - 2:42:45)
passive

[Speaker 11] (2:42:45 - 2:42:45)
restraint.

[Speaker 12] (2:42:45 - 2:42:46)
Oh, it's passive house?

[Speaker 6] (2:42:46 - 2:42:46)
passive

[Speaker 11] (2:42:46 - 2:42:47)
Okay. Passive house.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:47 - 2:42:49)
house ready i said that with authority and i had no idea what that meant

[Speaker 6] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
But

[Speaker 12] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
Make

[Speaker 6] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
that was

[Speaker 12] (2:42:50 - 2:42:51)
it till you

[Speaker 6] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
very

[Speaker 12] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
make it. You did great.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:51 - 2:42:58)
big on that being a requirement that they attempt to, to the best of their ability,

[Speaker 12] (2:42:58 - 2:42:58)
To pass a house standard,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:58 - 2:42:59)
be

[Speaker 12] (2:42:59 - 2:42:59)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:42:59 - 2:43:00)
passive house energy efficient.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:00 - 2:43:03)
And so they are attempting to do that, even

[Speaker 12] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
Good for

[Speaker 6] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
through historical,

[Speaker 12] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
them.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:03 - 2:43:06)
historical.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:06 - 2:43:10)
But was that on the RF was that on the RFP or is that what we just did No, at the LDA

[Speaker 6] (2:43:10 - 2:43:11)
we just negotiated that

[Speaker 1] (2:43:11 - 2:43:11)
You negotiate

[Speaker 6] (2:43:11 - 2:43:11)
in the LDA.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:11 - 2:43:11)
it

[Speaker 6] (2:43:11 - 2:43:12)
But if you recall,

[Speaker 11] (2:43:12 - 2:43:13)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:13 - 2:43:15)
it was an item that went back and forth.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:15 - 2:43:16)
Oh my

[Speaker 6] (2:43:16 - 2:43:16)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:43:16 - 2:43:16)
god,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:16 - 2:43:16)
so in order

[Speaker 1] (2:43:16 - 2:43:17)
yeah

[Speaker 6] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17)
to

[Speaker 6] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17)
Under

[Speaker 11] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17)
two,

[Speaker 11] (2:43:17 - 2:43:17)
three months.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:17 - 2:43:21)
if you're talking about cutting down the time of the negotiation,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:21 - 2:43:23)
the best way you can do that is to put your

[Speaker 11] (2:43:23 - 2:43:23)
Put

[Speaker 6] (2:43:23 - 2:43:23)
wants

[Speaker 11] (2:43:23 - 2:43:24)
it out there up

[Speaker 6] (2:43:24 - 2:43:24)
in

[Speaker 11] (2:43:24 - 2:43:24)
front.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:24 - 2:43:26)
the R_F_P_ so that it's not it's

[Speaker 11] (2:43:26 - 2:43:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:26 - 2:43:27)
less negotiable.

[Speaker 11] (2:43:27 - 2:43:28)
There you go.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:28 - 2:43:29)
So

[Speaker 12] (2:43:29 - 2:43:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:30 - 2:43:31)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 11] (2:43:31 - 2:43:31)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:31 - 2:43:41)
All right, so we will continue that discussion, this the first of many again, and we will move on to discussion and possible vote on the solid waste and recycling contract with Republic Services.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:42 - 2:43:47)
I have a slide that is tiny. So I was just gonna read them to you instead because I could barely

[Speaker 6] (2:43:47 - 2:43:47)
Great.

[Speaker 9] (2:43:47 - 2:43:57)
read them. Um so I wanted to give an update on where we were. Uh the negotiations are ongoing. We have gotten the red line back from

[Speaker 9] (2:43:58 - 2:44:14)
Uh Republic, K_P_ has reviewed it. I had a discussion with K_P_ today and we'll be moving forward um with some feedback for for public tomorrow and then we also have an operational sort of planning weekly meeting with Dan on Monday.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:14 - 2:44:25)
So there'll be two opportunities in like a couple days for this. On the public there's nothing massive th that I just wanna highlight that, you know, the the R_R_F_P_ had a contract included in it, they had submitted

[Speaker 9] (2:44:25 - 2:44:51)
minutes we you know accepted some and have feedback for others so on the public information sessions we had our first session on Monday the idea of doing one of the senior center came up which was a great idea that we had not planned for and considered we're now planning for that would probably be the first week in July to be honest we want to have try to have both a 96 gallon and a 65 gallon barrel there because that also was part of the the discussion on Monday that I want to share with everyone we will have a limited number of

[Speaker 9] (2:44:51 - 2:44:53)
number of smaller recycling barrels available.

[Speaker 9] (2:44:54 - 2:44:59)
We want to be responsive to the fact that folks have expressed a a need for them. Um

[Speaker 9] (2:45:00 - 2:45:26)
we will require registration for them. We're trying to manage both the inventory and the usage, um with the priority certainly in the beginning when we have limited inventory to go to uh folks with seniors in the home or those with limited mobility. From there, depending on what we have available, you know, we'll try to honour as many requests as possible, but that's certainly where we're starting, 'cause that's where we've heard the we've heard the the feedback that it's an important consideration to to make.

[Speaker 12] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
Um

[Speaker 3] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
Mm.

[Speaker 9] (2:45:26 - 2:45:38)
from here the discussion points that remain are the same ones that you all discussed a little bit at our previous meeting, and certainly we've considered um

[Speaker 9] (2:45:39 - 2:45:59)
What a second barrel could cost, both for the trash and recycling. Uh I think that final determination is something we need to come to shortly. At the very latest it would be that July seventh meeting, um because they that that would still give us the opportunity to be collecting information about who needs it and then get getting back to them with a delivery date as well as a cost so they can make a final decision.

[Speaker 9] (2:46:00 - 2:46:06)
Um that hinges on a couple different things that we discussed at solid waste advisory committee, uh it both tonnage

[Speaker 9] (2:46:06 - 2:46:19)
and serve the administration of such a such program so that's something that I would ultimately leave up to you while I'm happy to weigh in happy to bring it back to the July meeting if we think it's too late tonight to have the discussion as well I'm not sure where you all would

[Speaker 3] (2:46:19 - 2:46:19)
So

[Speaker 9] (2:46:19 - 2:46:19)
like to go

[Speaker 3] (2:46:19 - 2:46:31)
the determination of what this fee could be has some math behind it. It really does.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:31 - 2:46:33)
I developed.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:34 - 2:46:40)
I worked in the last couple of days really hard trying to develop a calculator for it, so that and I I think I sent it to you like late this afternoon. You

[Speaker 12] (2:46:40 - 2:46:41)
You probably did.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:41 - 2:46:53)
haven't even looked at it yet, I don't blame you. Um but I took the data that we know and I put you know what our variables are which I'm just trying to pull it up here, but my battery's dead.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:56 - 2:46:57)
There's the

[Speaker 3] (2:46:58 - 2:47:09)
The cost of just the tonnage, which is our tipping fee, which is separately negotiated, and then there's the cost of the actual functional service. So there's I just wait till the kid.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:13 - 2:47:18)
So th so uh philosophically, I just kinda wanna lay the groundwork of two different ways to look at this. I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:47:19 - 2:47:27)
I have a feeling on one, there may be differing opinions, that's okay. But I just kind of want to frame this in in a way that everyone can kind of understand it together.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:28 - 2:47:31)
Of course everybody knows, no not everybody, it's a terrible assumption.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:32 - 2:47:42)
Our trash contract is broken down in a couple different ways. One is the transportation cost and the other is by the weight, what they call a tipping fee. That's by about 125 bucks a ton.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:44 - 2:47:50)
So, when you think about what the established per cost, per resident cost is,

[Speaker 3] (2:47:50 - 2:47:55)
there's a baseline, and that baseline cost is for the truck to come to your house.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:55 - 2:47:58)
The total contract for that service, though, still has...

[Speaker 3] (2:48:00 - 2:48:22)
almost like a a hidden cost based upon the total amount of tonnage that we provide because it determines how often they fill the back of the truck, how often that they have transportation back to the landfill or the transfer station and so on. It's not really easy to see, but if you can think about it one way as there's an established base cost per household that it costs. Now the second part is usage.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:22 - 2:48:24)
So if you have

[Speaker 3] (2:48:25 - 2:48:39)
You know, we did, we did a a quick basic division of the amount of tonnage we've had in the last year divided by fifty one hundred municipal households. It comes around twenty five, twenty six pounds per household.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:41 - 2:48:45)
but the reality is is that some have less

[Speaker 2] (2:48:45 - 2:48:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:45 - 2:48:52)
and some have a lot more. So there's a there's a bit of a distribution curve in terms of its usage,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:52 - 2:48:58)
right? And so we did uh SWACC did a survey two ish years ago and

[Speaker 1] (2:49:00 - 2:49:02)
We got like 900 plus respondents,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:03 - 2:49:04)
which I thought was pretty good.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:04 - 2:49:08)
That's just under 20% from a statistical analysis standpoint.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:09 - 2:49:17)
And it was roughly 8% were users of a regular basis for extra bags.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:18 - 2:49:24)
So we know we have some that are barely filling it, some that are filling it normally to its height,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:24 - 2:49:27)
and others that are constantly needing additional capacity.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:27 - 2:49:29)
So knowing that...

[Speaker 1] (2:49:29 - 2:49:37)
We're going automated and the use of regular extra bags becomes problematic just from the the service side.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:38 - 2:49:41)
They have encouraged us to go you know to have a second barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:41 - 2:49:47)
Okay so how do how do we how do we structure that? So one way to do it is to say okay well

[Speaker 1] (2:49:48 - 2:49:49)
If you have a second barrel,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:50 - 2:49:54)
you have to make an assumption that the first barrel is completely full,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:54 - 2:49:55)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:56 - 2:50:03)
And that complete being completely full depends upon everyone's going to be a little bit different.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:03 - 2:50:05)
But if you look at EPA,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:05 - 2:50:09)
it provided some guidelines in terms of how much that could potentially be if it was full.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:10 - 2:50:11)
And it averages,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:11 - 2:50:14)
it could be as high as 50 pounds.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:16 - 2:50:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:17 - 2:50:20)
That may vary upon your experience,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:20 - 2:50:27)
but that is kind of the based upon average of the how much tons it is per cubic foot or how much pounds it is per cubic foot.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:28 - 2:50:30)
I've done some math, I've put in the calculator or whatever. We can all look at that.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:30 - 2:50:35)
I'd like to be able to present to the board that calculator,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:35 - 2:50:39)
work with Nick a little bit further to help make those assumptions and then come.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:41 - 2:50:42)
With the recommendation,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:42 - 2:50:48)
but also something that you can say, well, what if we charge less for this or more for this, and you can kind of see how that flows together,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:49 - 2:50:51)
and then it starts to make sense.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:51 - 2:50:55)
The same thing goes for recycling carts.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:57 - 2:51:02)
I'm pretty convinced that the businesses on Humphrey Street and other commercial businesses are going to need more than one.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:03 - 2:51:09)
But whereas I think the average per household was like 10, 11 pounds of recycling.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:10 - 2:51:14)
In other words, if you take the massive number divided by 5,100 residents per week,

[Speaker 3] (2:51:14 - 2:51:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:14 - 2:51:16)
it's not that much.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:17 - 2:51:20)
But then you have to make the assumption if you need a second recycling cart,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:20 - 2:51:22)
you're filling up all 96 gallons,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:22 - 2:51:29)
which then burdens the town much higher than it ordinarily would as the average residential.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:30 - 2:51:30)
user.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:30 - 2:51:35)
So when we're thinking about a second barrel, think about it in terms of

[Speaker 1] (2:51:35 - 2:51:36)
it's full.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:37 - 2:51:38)
Because that's

[Speaker 4] (2:51:38 - 2:51:39)
Right, plan for it.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:39 - 2:51:44)
my that's right in terms of coming up with that number.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:44 - 2:51:46)
So in terms of coming to you with a recommendation,

[Speaker 5] (2:51:46 - 2:51:48)
would it be possible for Wayne and I to work together?

[Speaker 5] (2:51:49 - 2:51:50)
Come on July 7th.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:50 - 2:51:53)
That would be the, we need to set the price on July 7th

[Speaker 6] (2:51:53 - 2:51:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:51:53 - 2:51:54)
for a second

[Speaker 6] (2:51:54 - 2:51:54)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:51:54 - 2:51:54)
barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:54 - 2:51:55)
just want So to be sure.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:55 - 2:51:56)
there'll be a discussion.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:57 - 2:51:59)
There'll be a discussion, but we also need to come to a conclusion

[Speaker 7] (2:51:59 - 2:51:59)
It's very

[Speaker 5] (2:51:59 - 2:52:01)
that evening on what the number will be.

[Speaker 7] (2:52:01 - 2:52:02)
I'm trying to wrap

[Speaker 9] (2:52:02 - 2:52:04)
Yeah, Can I and just just I just I'm just thinking my own heuristic,

[Speaker 7] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
can

[Speaker 9] (2:52:04 - 2:52:04)
Carol's heuristic.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:04 - 2:52:10)
I just talk about two things really quick on top of that. So great that you did the calculation, that's so logical,

[Speaker 7] (2:52:10 - 2:52:10)
It is

[Speaker 10] (2:52:10 - 2:52:10)
makes

[Speaker 7] (2:52:10 - 2:52:10)
thoughtful,

[Speaker 10] (2:52:10 - 2:52:10)
my mind

[Speaker 7] (2:52:10 - 2:52:11)
yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:11 - 2:52:17)
at peace in glee. However, when I was talking to it about I was talking a little bit to residents about it.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:18 - 2:52:20)
At the farmer's market as I was walking around,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:20 - 2:52:20)
Mm.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:20 - 2:52:38)
and some people were like, some people agree totally with that sort of mentality. Like all you do is take the number of residents divided by that divided by the average tonnage and that's how much I'm supposed to pay for an extra barrel. But then some people were like, well the whole reason we went to the small barrel was to reduce the amount of waste that we have in town.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:38 - 2:52:43)
And if we did that, then yes, I agree that there are outlying households that need a second.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:43 - 2:52:52)
the second barrel, but what deters them from filling up the second barrel to capacity, which is not what you want. You really want that barrel to be as

[Speaker 9] (2:52:52 - 2:52:53)
Overflow.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:53 - 2:52:55)
uh you want that to be as small as possible.

[Speaker 10] (2:52:55 - 2:53:06)
You want it to be used not every week. You want it to be used as little as the household can manage. So then do you put on an additional like

[Speaker 10] (2:53:07 - 2:53:12)
Sorry, you went over the gallons, but you really shouldn't, you should be trying to keep that.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:12 - 2:53:13)
Isn't that what the

[Speaker 10] (2:53:13 - 2:53:13)
Nobody

[Speaker 1] (2:53:13 - 2:53:13)
three dollar

[Speaker 10] (2:53:13 - 2:53:13)
wants to talk

[Speaker 1] (2:53:13 - 2:53:14)
fee

[Speaker 10] (2:53:14 - 2:53:14)
about it,

[Speaker 1] (2:53:14 - 2:53:14)
was?

[Speaker 10] (2:53:14 - 2:53:24)
but I'm going to bring it up. Like a, like a basically like the community has committed to a tax basically for a second barrel. And so it's not just what it costs

[Speaker 1] (2:53:24 - 2:53:24)
Utility

[Speaker 10] (2:53:24 - 2:53:24)
the town,

[Speaker 1] (2:53:24 - 2:53:25)
cost.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:25 - 2:53:26)
but it's saying,

[Speaker 10] (2:53:26 - 2:53:29)
well, if it's not in line with the community standard,

[Speaker 10] (2:53:29 - 2:53:32)
which is we're going to try to get down our tonnage to

[Speaker 10] (2:53:32 - 2:53:37)
two X amount of tons annually and we're gonna try to reduce the amount of waste and we've

[Speaker 11] (2:53:37 - 2:53:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:53:37 - 2:53:39)
implemented all these other ways to

[Speaker 5] (2:53:39 - 2:53:39)
So

[Speaker 10] (2:53:39 - 2:53:42)
facilitate that. I know you're hurt it hurts you to hear me say that.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:42 - 2:53:43)
doesn't. I

[Speaker 5] (2:53:44 - 2:53:49)
I we are not doing this in order to encourage additional trash.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:49 - 2:53:56)
We are acknowledging the fact that having multiple blue bags will slow service that is done in an automated way.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:56 - 2:53:57)
We're trying

[Speaker 5] (2:53:57 - 2:53:57)
And

[Speaker 9] (2:53:57 - 2:53:57)
to reduce

[Speaker 5] (2:53:57 - 2:54:02)
so we're trying to we're trying to address a problem that is created by the change in service that no matter who we went with,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:02 - 2:54:04)
if it's above one blue bag,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:05 - 2:54:06)
everyone we talk to.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:06 - 2:54:14)
said you should really go to two because it will slow service and ultimately become a problem both for them and for us and over time our costs will go up.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:14 - 2:54:15)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:15 - 2:54:18)
And I understand the policy goal of a smaller barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:19 - 2:54:23)
There is a I know on a piece on the fee side we cannot exceed the contract.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:24 - 2:54:31)
We need a very strong defensible reason for the number we come up with on a second barrel cost because

[Speaker 10] (2:54:31 - 2:54:31)
There

[Speaker 5] (2:54:31 - 2:54:31)
it cannot

[Speaker 10] (2:54:31 - 2:54:31)
is no

[Speaker 5] (2:54:31 - 2:54:31)
be

[Speaker 10] (2:54:31 - 2:54:31)
there

[Speaker 5] (2:54:31 - 2:54:32)
punitive.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:32 - 2:54:33)
cannot be a second barrel tax.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:33 - 2:54:33)
It

[Speaker 10] (2:54:33 - 2:54:33)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:54:33 - 2:54:34)
cannot be punitive.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:35 - 2:54:35)
It might be punitive.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:36 - 2:54:38)
It cannot be that you did this and

[Speaker 9] (2:54:38 - 2:54:38)
It cannot be determined.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:38 - 2:54:44)
our pop our value is that you shouldn't be doing that and so it's more expensive. It is this is what it costs

[Speaker 1] (2:54:44 - 2:54:44)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:44 - 2:54:45)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:54:45 - 2:54:46)
That's the goal of the calculator.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:46 - 2:54:47)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:47 - 2:54:48)
I'm in

[Speaker 9] (2:54:48 - 2:54:48)
no,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:48 - 2:54:48)
agreement with

[Speaker 9] (2:54:48 - 2:54:48)
that's a...

[Speaker 1] (2:54:48 - 2:54:50)
that. I'm just curious why there can't be

[Speaker 10] (2:54:50 - 2:54:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:50 - 2:54:50)
a punitive

[Speaker 10] (2:54:50 - 2:54:50)
why?

[Speaker 1] (2:54:50 - 2:54:51)
tax,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:51 - 2:54:52)
and I'm very

[Speaker 5] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
You know

[Speaker 1] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
happy

[Speaker 5] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
on the

[Speaker 1] (2:54:52 - 2:54:53)
to hear

[Speaker 5] (2:54:53 - 2:54:53)
fee

[Speaker 1] (2:54:53 - 2:54:53)
it can't

[Speaker 5] (2:54:53 - 2:54:53)
on

[Speaker 1] (2:54:53 - 2:54:53)
be.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:53 - 2:54:57)
the trash fee side when so and I'm talking about the fee at large that

[Speaker 1] (2:54:57 - 2:54:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:57 - 2:55:02)
has been discussed very broadly here and there is a distinction here that I'll get to in a second.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:02 - 2:55:07)
That is one that it is very clear you cannot charge more for a fee. It's like a utility.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:08 - 2:55:08)
You can't charge more

[Speaker 10] (2:55:08 - 2:55:08)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (2:55:08 - 2:55:09)
than

[Speaker 10] (2:55:09 - 2:55:09)
correct.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:09 - 2:55:09)
the service.

[Speaker 12] (2:55:09 - 2:55:10)
You can't

[Speaker 10] (2:55:10 - 2:55:10)
Yes,

[Speaker 12] (2:55:10 - 2:55:10)
all charge

[Speaker 10] (2:55:10 - 2:55:10)
day.

[Speaker 12] (2:55:10 - 2:55:11)
price it.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:11 - 2:55:11)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:11 - 2:55:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:11 - 2:55:12)
and so this is

[Speaker 10] (2:55:13 - 2:55:13)
I was talking about

[Speaker 5] (2:55:13 - 2:55:14)
This

[Speaker 10] (2:55:14 - 2:55:14)
an additional

[Speaker 5] (2:55:14 - 2:55:14)
isn't a bit

[Speaker 10] (2:55:14 - 2:55:15)
service.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:15 - 2:55:22)
of a gray area. Is it an additional service because we're selling bags for $3 as it is in theory?

[Speaker 5] (2:55:22 - 2:55:28)
as designed and as originally priced were meant to cover the cost of that extra bag.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:28 - 2:55:30)
Well, is it done in the same calculation as logically

[Speaker 1] (2:55:30 - 2:55:30)
So,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:30 - 2:55:32)
as that original

[Speaker 1] (2:55:32 - 2:55:32)
so,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:32 - 2:55:32)
bag?

[Speaker 1] (2:55:32 - 2:55:32)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:32 - 2:55:41)
And so the, the, what I'm going back to the philosophical argument is, is does the bag have representation to the total service cost,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:41 - 2:55:42)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:55:42 - 2:55:46)
Or just the cost of the additional tonnage?

[Speaker 1] (2:55:47 - 2:55:49)
There is some so

[Speaker 10] (2:55:49 - 2:55:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:49 - 2:55:49)
right

[Speaker 10] (2:55:49 - 2:55:51)
Is there a tax already on the bag? That's what I'm wondering.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:51 - 2:55:53)
No, it's upside down right now.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:53 - 2:55:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:53 - 2:55:53)
Right now it's

[Speaker 10] (2:55:53 - 2:55:54)
Then,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:54 - 2:55:56)
we're upside yeah. down on it. Yeah, it needs to go up. We're upside down on

[Speaker 13] (2:55:56 - 2:56:00)
it. So in theory, we should look at this as if.

[Speaker 13] (2:56:01 - 2:56:08)
Every residence in town bought a second barrel and filled it up to price the second barrel as a worst case scenario.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:08 - 2:56:10)
No, no, not necessarily.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:10 - 2:56:12)
What I was suggesting is,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:12 - 2:56:12)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:56:12 - 2:56:14)
So can I just jump in real quick?

[Speaker 1] (2:56:14 - 2:56:14)
please.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:14 - 2:56:21)
The ultimate question that it boils down to is are we paying for tonnage because the truck is already at the end of your driveway?

[Speaker 5] (2:56:22 - 2:56:26)
Or when we look at the administrative costs on the town side to make sure that we're

[Speaker 5] (2:56:26 - 2:56:39)
we're you know sort of running the program, and we consider the fact that it does add time for transportation, it could add time for transportation 'cause there's another run to dump, you know, there's a v a lot of variables that I it's un it's Got unknown

[Speaker 9] (2:56:39 - 2:56:40)
to be.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:40 - 2:56:41)
right now to say like we know

[Speaker 9] (2:56:41 - 2:56:41)
It's

[Speaker 13] (2:56:41 - 2:56:42)
It

[Speaker 9] (2:56:42 - 2:56:42)
it's gonna be.

[Speaker 13] (2:56:42 - 2:56:42)
an is unknown cost.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:42 - 2:56:42)
be

[Speaker 13] (2:56:42 - 2:56:43)
Cost.

[Speaker 9] (2:56:43 - 2:56:43)
It's gotta be.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:44 - 2:56:47)
so it that is the question that we will be putting before you ultimately.

[Speaker 13] (2:56:47 - 2:56:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:48 - 2:56:51)
I don't want to blow this whole thing up, but why wouldn't you just

[Speaker 10] (2:56:51 - 2:56:54)
If a person were going to buy a second barrel, give

[Speaker 5] (2:56:54 - 2:56:54)
No.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:54 - 2:56:59)
them a larger barrel for a additional fee rather than have two barrels.

[Speaker 14] (2:57:00 - 2:57:02)
You need one larger barrel and replace

[Speaker 13] (2:57:02 - 2:57:02)
Instead

[Speaker 14] (2:57:02 - 2:57:03)
in place of two?

[Speaker 13] (2:57:03 - 2:57:04)
of two, smart man.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:04 - 2:57:04)
And n

[Speaker 13] (2:57:04 - 2:57:04)
S

[Speaker 13] (2:57:05 - 2:57:05)
It one

[Speaker 9] (2:57:05 - 2:57:06)
Oh my

[Speaker 13] (2:57:06 - 2:57:06)
seventy

[Speaker 9] (2:57:06 - 2:57:06)
god.

[Speaker 13] (2:57:06 - 2:57:07)
gallon Instead instead of two

[Speaker 1] (2:57:07 - 2:57:07)
of

[Speaker 13] (2:57:07 - 2:57:07)
two.

[Speaker 9] (2:57:07 - 2:57:07)
Ignore what

[Speaker 1] (2:57:07 - 2:57:07)
seventy five.

[Speaker 9] (2:57:07 - 2:57:08)
she just said.

[Speaker 10] (2:57:08 - 2:57:09)
I'm just asking because

[Speaker 9] (2:57:09 - 2:57:09)
Ignore

[Speaker 10] (2:57:09 - 2:57:09)
it okay,

[Speaker 9] (2:57:09 - 2:57:09)
that.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:09 - 2:57:09)
We strike that.

[Speaker 14] (2:57:09 - 2:57:10)
Exude

[Speaker 9] (2:57:10 - 2:57:11)
You want to strike that, please strike that from the record.

[Speaker 14] (2:57:11 - 2:57:13)
abstract based on the

[Speaker 1] (2:57:13 - 2:57:13)
The

[Speaker 14] (2:57:13 - 2:57:13)
size of this barrel?

[Speaker 10] (2:57:13 - 2:57:14)
No, it

[Speaker 5] (2:57:15 - 2:57:15)
No,

[Speaker 10] (2:57:15 - 2:57:16)
No,

[Speaker 5] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
that's

[Speaker 10] (2:57:16 - 2:57:23)
you could have a second barrel, but it is I guess it is it's an I'll answer my own question It's an administrative nightmare to have two different size barrels floating out there

[Speaker 14] (2:57:23 - 2:57:23)
You

[Speaker 10] (2:57:23 - 2:57:24)
because you'd have

[Speaker 14] (2:57:24 - 2:57:24)
have to to right

[Speaker 10] (2:57:24 - 2:57:29)
procure two different size barrels You lose the buying power for buying one size barrel because you'd have to buy

[Speaker 9] (2:57:29 - 2:57:29)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:29 - 2:57:29)
It's

[Speaker 10] (2:57:29 - 2:57:30)
two things

[Speaker 5] (2:57:30 - 2:57:33)
also the exact opposite of your argument that as a

[Speaker 10] (2:57:33 - 2:57:33)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (2:57:33 - 2:57:34)
policy

[Speaker 10] (2:57:34 - 2:57:34)
I'm very good at that

[Speaker 5] (2:57:34 - 2:57:40)
No, but as a policy someone could just say I'm happy to pay X fee to just set

[Speaker 5] (2:57:40 - 2:57:54)
set I've been struggling with this barrel forever. I do not like this barrel, I haven't liked it since the day it came out, and I want Yeah. the other barrel. It it we we've torn the band-aid off, we have the barrel. The discussion is about if we need, instead of having

[Speaker 14] (2:57:55 - 2:57:55)
Blue

[Speaker 5] (2:57:55 - 2:57:55)
or

[Speaker 14] (2:57:55 - 2:57:55)
bags.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:55 - 2:57:56)
blue bags every

[Speaker 10] (2:57:56 - 2:57:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:57:56 - 2:57:59)
week, how can we support that edge case in town.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:00 - 2:58:09)
To make it possible to make sure our vendor has a way to do it and our residents have a way to do it that makes sense for both and supports service that's efficient,

[Speaker 5] (2:58:09 - 2:58:09)
safe,

[Speaker 5] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
and reliable.

[Speaker 10] (2:58:10 - 2:58:13)
So our vendor could support the same timely service.

[Speaker 10] (2:58:14 - 2:58:18)
If every house had two barrels and if every house had one barrel. It doesn't

[Speaker 5] (2:58:18 - 2:58:18)
If

[Speaker 10] (2:58:18 - 2:58:19)
matter for that.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:19 - 2:58:20)
every house I mean we'd

[Speaker 14] (2:58:20 - 2:58:20)
Well that's

[Speaker 1] (2:58:20 - 2:58:21)
Like you

[Speaker 14] (2:58:21 - 2:58:21)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:58:21 - 2:58:21)
can get out

[Speaker 14] (2:58:21 - 2:58:21)
really

[Speaker 1] (2:58:21 - 2:58:21)
of every that's house you get

[Speaker 14] (2:58:21 - 2:58:22)
not

[Speaker 1] (2:58:22 - 2:58:22)
the marginal

[Speaker 14] (2:58:22 - 2:58:23)
that's not the question see that I

[Speaker 10] (2:58:23 - 2:58:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 14] (2:58:23 - 2:58:24)
think I think we're

[Speaker 5] (2:58:24 - 2:58:27)
The use case it's an edge case that people

[Speaker 10] (2:58:27 - 2:58:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:27 - 2:58:30)
are gonna need a second Not everyone is suddenly gonna say I want to pay extra.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:30 - 2:58:31)
I want a barrel when I I have expect a certain

[Speaker 1] (2:58:31 - 2:58:34)
you to see a probably a couple hundred out of the fifth out of the five thousand

[Speaker 4] (2:58:34 - 2:58:35)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:35 - 2:58:45)
And it should be accommodating the people who are every week buying an extra bag and then instead of having to leave multiple extra bags out there and with that inconvenience of having to go buy those damn bags,

[Speaker 5] (2:58:45 - 2:58:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:46 - 2:58:48)
they can just put the bag in the container.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:48 - 2:58:48)
Exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:48 - 2:58:51)
You know, I think that container fits a bag and a half.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:52 - 2:58:53)
If you cram

[Speaker 6] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
Uh,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
it,

[Speaker 6] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
should

[Speaker 2] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
make

[Speaker 6] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
it be five

[Speaker 7] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
But

[Speaker 6] (2:58:53 - 2:58:53)
it gallons?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:53 - 2:58:54)
basically.

[Speaker 7] (2:58:54 - 2:58:54)
that is

[Speaker 3] (2:58:54 - 2:58:55)
Thirty five gallon container, thirty

[Speaker 7] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:58:55 - 2:58:55)
gallon

[Speaker 7] (2:58:55 - 2:58:58)
mean your regular trash barrel only fits a bag and a half of trash?

[Speaker 7] (2:58:58 - 2:58:59)
No, that is not true.

[Speaker 6] (2:58:59 - 2:59:00)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
Nah,

[Speaker 6] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
cram

[Speaker 3] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
three to

[Speaker 6] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
it.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:00 - 2:59:00)
I could-blu

[Speaker 6] (2:59:00 - 2:59:01)
If you if I cram

[Speaker 3] (2:59:01 - 2:59:01)
speaking

[Speaker 6] (2:59:01 - 2:59:01)
it, I can

[Speaker 3] (2:59:01 - 2:59:01)
from

[Speaker 6] (2:59:01 - 2:59:01)
cram

[Speaker 2] (2:59:01 - 2:59:01)
Blue

[Speaker 3] (2:59:01 - 2:59:02)
experience,

[Speaker 6] (2:59:02 - 2:59:02)
it in.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:02 - 2:59:02)
bags.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:02 - 2:59:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:02 - 2:59:03)
We're talking about the blue bags.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:03 - 2:59:04)
The blue

[Speaker 7] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04)
Oh, those bags. are, okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04)
The blue bags.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:04 - 2:59:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:04 - 2:59:05)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
All

[Speaker 3] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
Two

[Speaker 7] (2:59:05 - 2:59:05)
right.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:05 - 2:59:06)
bags of 30 gallons.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:06 - 2:59:07)
Hmm?

[Speaker 3] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
They they

[Speaker 6] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
Blue

[Speaker 3] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
should

[Speaker 6] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
bags of

[Speaker 3] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:07 - 2:59:08)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:59:08 - 2:59:08)
30 gallons.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:08 - 2:59:09)
so let's get back

[Speaker 2] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09)
This

[Speaker 7] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09)
because it

[Speaker 3] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09)
is the a fun

[Speaker 2] (2:59:09 - 2:59:10)
drives

[Speaker 7] (2:59:10 - 2:59:10)
agenda

[Speaker 2] (2:59:10 - 2:59:10)
me crazy.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:10 - 2:59:13)
item since I totally derailed the conversation on my commentary.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:13 - 2:59:14)
was a fun fun chat.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:14 - 2:59:16)
So I shouldn't have stayed in the ladies room.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:16 - 2:59:17)
Actually, I just want to prize,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:18 - 2:59:18)
I don't care.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:18 - 2:59:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:19 - 2:59:19)
like

[Speaker 7] (2:59:19 - 2:59:19)
Okay, it so

[Speaker 2] (2:59:19 - 2:59:19)
so

[Speaker 7] (2:59:19 - 2:59:29)
we're going to get a price, Wayne and Nick are going to work on a calculation that makes logical sense which does not include a tax, everybody listen, that was a bad idea, sorry, and we will provide

[Speaker 9] (2:59:29 - 2:59:29)
I appreciate

[Speaker 7] (2:59:29 - 2:59:29)
it on

[Speaker 9] (2:59:29 - 2:59:30)
the thought

[Speaker 7] (2:59:30 - 2:59:30)
the seventh.

[Speaker 9] (2:59:30 - 2:59:30)
for this though.

[Speaker 9] (2:59:30 - 2:59:31)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:31 - 2:59:44)
But I think philosophically I think we need to be really clear. I can tell you I don't want to see just the tipping fee on there. I want to see it I want to see whatever the fee is to encompass all of the fees that it that it costs to

[Speaker 7] (2:59:44 - 2:59:45)
I don't want to hear in a year that we're upside down.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:45 - 2:59:46)
upside down

[Speaker 2] (2:59:46 - 2:59:46)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (2:59:46 - 2:59:46)
umbrella.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:46 - 2:59:46)
that's

[Speaker 10] (2:59:46 - 2:59:46)
And that's

[Speaker 2] (2:59:46 - 2:59:47)
what I was

[Speaker 10] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
exactly

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
thinking.

[Speaker 10] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
what

[Speaker 3] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
I I

[Speaker 10] (2:59:47 - 2:59:48)
I would would guess.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:48 - 2:59:56)
think what I would like to do is show you the highs, the lows, multiple cases of how we came up with it, and then we can discuss what

[Speaker 7] (2:59:56 - 2:59:56)
Wait

[Speaker 3] (2:59:56 - 2:59:56)
we can discuss.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:56 - 2:59:57)
I believe it.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
trust

[Speaker 10] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
That's

[Speaker 7] (2:59:57 - 2:59:58)
trust if you you Laney. have

[Speaker 2] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
I can

[Speaker 7] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
to spend

[Speaker 2] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
be that number

[Speaker 7] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
more time

[Speaker 2] (2:59:58 - 2:59:59)
one

[Speaker 7] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
on

[Speaker 2] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
and we're

[Speaker 7] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
going to

[Speaker 7] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:59:59 - 2:59:59)
get me a number.

[Speaker 7] (2:59:59 - 3:00:01)
believe you all I'm saying

[Speaker 10] (3:00:01 - 3:00:01)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:00:01 - 3:00:01)
is

[Speaker 10] (3:00:01 - 3:00:06)
would just say we should get to the, we, none of us want to hear we're underwater on this next year. So price it for the worst case

[Speaker 2] (3:00:06 - 3:00:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (3:00:06 - 3:00:06)
scenario.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:06 - 3:00:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:06 - 3:00:06)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:00:06 - 3:00:07)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:07 - 3:00:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:00:07 - 3:00:07)
Is that?

[Speaker 2] (3:00:07 - 3:00:08)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:00:08 - 3:00:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:09 - 3:00:09)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:09 - 3:00:10)
It's like a luxury car here.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:10 - 3:00:10)
So but but

[Speaker 2] (3:00:10 - 3:00:10)
You only

[Speaker 7] (3:00:10 - 3:00:11)
here's

[Speaker 2] (3:00:11 - 3:00:11)
want to sit

[Speaker 7] (3:00:11 - 3:00:11)
a question

[Speaker 2] (3:00:11 - 3:00:11)
in a barrel

[Speaker 7] (3:00:11 - 3:00:12)
just

[Speaker 2] (3:00:12 - 3:00:12)
that you're going

[Speaker 7] (3:00:12 - 3:00:12)
because

[Speaker 2] (3:00:12 - 3:00:12)
to pay for.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:12 - 3:00:13)
I Which

[Speaker 2] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
want

[Speaker 7] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
one

[Speaker 2] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
to

[Speaker 7] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
is punitive?

[Speaker 2] (3:00:13 - 3:00:14)
how many

[Speaker 11] (3:00:14 - 3:00:15)
No, but we can be

[Speaker 2] (3:00:15 - 3:00:15)
What's

[Speaker 11] (3:00:15 - 3:00:15)
realistic.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:15 - 3:00:19)
the what's the timeline for ordering just because I want to get these extra barrels out.

[Speaker 12] (3:00:19 - 3:00:23)
Is We're ordering this week. It was either done today or it'll be done tomorrow.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:23 - 3:00:23)
Excellent.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:24 - 3:00:24)
As soon as possible.

[Speaker 12] (3:00:24 - 3:00:30)
Fabulous. And there'll be an in as I said, there will be an inventory for the smaller size and an inventory

[Speaker 7] (3:00:30 - 3:00:30)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (3:00:30 - 3:00:35)
for additional thirty five gallon barrels for trash. When that inventory runs out, there will be a waiting list.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:36 - 3:00:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:36 - 3:00:36)
So how

[Speaker 12] (3:00:36 - 3:00:39)
We are not buying enough to have like just

[Speaker 2] (3:00:39 - 3:00:39)
extra.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:39 - 3:00:41)
a whole garage full of extra

[Speaker 12] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
barrels.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:41 - 3:00:45)
Right. Okay, so the next question is how quickly can we get online or communicate

[Speaker 2] (3:00:45 - 3:00:52)
Cate, that we need to have correspondence from the community of what they need as far as, you know, how many people here need an extra barrel,

[Speaker 7] (3:00:52 - 3:00:53)
Not me.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:53 - 3:00:53)
for trash,

[Speaker 13] (3:00:53 - 3:00:54)
I will.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:54 - 3:00:57)
how many people how many people need

[Speaker 3] (3:00:57 - 3:00:57)
It's Christmas.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:57 - 3:00:59)
will need extra barrels for recycling.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:00 - 3:01:03)
We it would not be this week. We need to create a form

[Speaker 7] (3:01:03 - 3:01:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:03 - 3:01:09)
and database on the people and then the other side of this is you're not going to set a price until July seventh.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:09 - 3:01:09)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:09 - 3:01:12)
When we were at the public information session I said the

[Speaker 12] (3:01:11 - 3:01:15)
I said the last week in June, first week in July would be when the form would go live.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:15 - 3:01:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:16 - 3:01:16)
And

[Speaker 2] (3:01:16 - 3:01:16)
Well,

[Speaker 12] (3:01:16 - 3:01:17)
I think we can

[Speaker 2] (3:01:17 - 3:01:17)
high do school.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:17 - 3:01:19)
I think we can get it in advance of the price,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:19 - 3:01:20)
Oh, who wants

[Speaker 12] (3:01:20 - 3:01:20)
but

[Speaker 2] (3:01:20 - 3:01:20)
it? Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:20 - 3:01:22)
I the real idea

[Speaker 3] (3:01:22 - 3:01:22)
Well,

[Speaker 12] (3:01:22 - 3:01:25)
of like who's gonna say yes it's like we need to have the price.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:25 - 3:01:31)
Well, we do have we do have residents that do not want that do not want this ninety six gallon uh

[Speaker 2] (3:01:32 - 3:01:35)
container they want the smaller container we we know we have that

[Speaker 12] (3:01:35 - 3:01:35)
Right and that

[Speaker 2] (3:01:35 - 3:01:36)
so that form I think

[Speaker 14] (3:01:36 - 3:01:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:37 - 3:01:38)
that form should be out ASAP.

[Speaker 7] (3:01:38 - 3:01:40)
Wait, for recycling?

[Speaker 2] (3:01:40 - 3:01:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:40 - 3:01:41)
Yes, that it's

[Speaker 10] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
a big

[Speaker 3] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
That was

[Speaker 12] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
thing handled.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:41 - 3:01:42)
a very big part of the feedback.

[Speaker 10] (3:01:42 - 3:01:43)
There there are a lot of

[Speaker 2] (3:01:43 - 3:01:43)
residents Really?

[Speaker 3] (3:01:43 - 3:01:44)
Who

[Speaker 10] (3:01:44 - 3:01:45)
who are Succeeding suggesting that. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:45 - 3:01:47)
do not want the big one.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:47 - 3:01:53)
There there's it's it's both senior citizens who are concerned about the the handling of it and then we uh received

[Speaker 3] (3:01:54 - 3:02:00)
Actually, the farmer's market received a ton in feedback that was folks that live kind of vertically,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:00 - 3:02:02)
so they have retaining walls.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:02 - 3:02:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:03 - 3:02:05)
Right, that's a good example.

[Speaker 7] (3:02:05 - 3:02:05)
Three sets

[Speaker 3] (3:02:05 - 3:02:05)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (3:02:05 - 3:02:06)
of stairs to get up to my house.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:06 - 3:02:11)
where they they they need to bring it down to the street where historically they brought a smaller set of containers,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:11 - 3:02:15)
they're not sure they can handle a 96 gallon container going up, particularly

[Speaker 10] (3:02:15 - 3:02:15)
All

[Speaker 3] (3:02:15 - 3:02:15)
it

[Speaker 10] (3:02:15 - 3:02:15)
reasonable.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:15 - 3:02:17)
becomes a it becomes a safety issue.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:17 - 3:02:17)
So

[Speaker 7] (3:02:17 - 3:02:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (3:02:17 - 3:02:19)
I will highlight,

[Speaker 12] (3:02:19 - 3:02:21)
and this will be in the language on the website.

[Speaker 12] (3:02:22 - 3:02:27)
When you downsize, if we make a change in service, we are not providing a second barrel just

[Speaker 7] (3:02:28 - 3:02:28)
Here's your downsize.

[Speaker 12] (3:02:28 - 3:02:32)
there this it we are willing to make this use

[Speaker 12] (3:02:32 - 3:02:36)
Shift from ninety six to sixty four, but we're not redeploying a second

[Speaker 7] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
Back and

[Speaker 12] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
time

[Speaker 7] (3:02:36 - 3:02:37)
forth, back and forth.

[Speaker 12] (3:02:37 - 3:02:39)
and ordering a second round of barrels if there's

[Speaker 2] (3:02:39 - 3:02:39)
No.

[Speaker 12] (3:02:39 - 3:02:42)
several hundred that have been deployed at the smaller size.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:43 - 3:02:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:43 - 3:02:44)
So in that situation,

[Speaker 7] (3:02:44 - 3:02:45)
Oh

[Speaker 2] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45)
I would

[Speaker 7] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45)
my God.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:45 - 3:02:50)
mm in that situation I would I just like to see us get a form out ASAP for that one.

[Speaker 15] (3:02:50 - 3:02:50)
What if we end up

[Speaker 12] (3:02:50 - 3:02:55)
Yeah, I we talked about it on Monday that it would be last week in June, first week in July, which would be

[Speaker 3] (3:02:55 - 3:02:56)
Look, they did a D_P_W_ once.

[Speaker 12] (3:02:56 - 3:02:58)
end of next week, beginning of the week after.

[Speaker 12] (3:02:58 - 3:03:00)
It's most likely what we're looking at,

[Speaker 12] (3:03:00 - 3:03:02)
to get something that's reliable and works.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:03 - 3:03:04)
Yeah, we could do some targeted Facebook ads.

[Speaker 7] (3:03:07 - 3:03:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:03:08 - 3:03:09)
Oh, is that in the budget?

[Speaker 7] (3:03:09 - 3:03:10)
I don't think so.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:10 - 3:03:13)
What is the what is the timeline look like? Oh, so we're saying what?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:14 - 3:03:18)
What what are we going to talk about the actual?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:20 - 3:03:23)
uh changeover to are we looking at August

[Speaker 16] (3:03:23 - 3:03:24)
When is

[Speaker 2] (3:03:24 - 3:03:24)
one?

[Speaker 16] (3:03:24 - 3:03:24)
that going to be?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:24 - 3:03:25)
Are we looking at

[Speaker 12] (3:03:25 - 3:03:27)
Changeover for service?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:27 - 3:03:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 16] (3:03:27 - 3:03:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (3:03:27 - 3:03:31)
We talked about that on Monday as well. We're looking at July 27th. It's the third week in July.

[Speaker 12] (3:03:31 - 3:03:32)
The third Monday in July.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:33 - 3:03:36)
You think we'll have all those bins in now? Okay.

[Speaker 12] (3:03:39 - 3:03:44)
And Dan acknowledged and we will be repeating that there will be a learning curve. Their drivers understand that.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:44 - 3:03:45)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 12] (3:03:45 - 3:03:52)
We understand that. And staff, you know, um they'll we're gonna set up a trash at Swamp Scott, M_A_

[Speaker 12] (3:03:53 - 3:03:59)
email address. They'll you know that will go to both probably our office and the D_P_W_

[Speaker 3] (3:03:59 - 3:04:00)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:00 - 3:04:05)
certainly in the beginning so that the responses are quicker. Um and in addition to that

[Speaker 12] (3:04:05 - 3:04:12)
We had talked about setting up a phone number that would literally just be a voicemail for things to come into that we can be clearing out repeatedly from

[Speaker 7] (3:04:12 - 3:04:12)
Trash number.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:12 - 3:04:17)
the from the customer service office so that it is not something that's just,

[Speaker 3] (3:04:18 - 3:04:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:18 - 3:04:23)
you know, either interrupting customer service all day or not being responded to quickly enough.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:23 - 3:04:24)
We had like 50 people.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:25 - 3:04:26)
Out here. It was pretty

[Speaker 2] (3:04:26 - 3:04:26)
Good.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:26 - 3:04:27)
full on

[Speaker 2] (3:04:27 - 3:04:27)
Good.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:27 - 3:04:28)
Monday night. We had

[Speaker 7] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
another

[Speaker 7] (3:04:28 - 3:04:28)
great.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:28 - 3:04:29)
dozen people online.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:30 - 3:04:30)
Lots of people online.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:31 - 3:04:34)
Yeah, a lot of people asking questions. So it was, I think, well received and

[Speaker 12] (3:04:34 - 3:04:39)
And there were some people that thought they would not be able to handle the barrel it when they saw it. They're like, ah, I can't do this. I'm okay with it.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:39 - 3:04:49)
You know, at the same time, there were others saying, where will this fit at the end of my driveway versus on the... But there were a couple of folks that were seniors that anticipated it being problematic and once they felt it and

[Speaker 2] (3:04:49 - 3:04:50)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:50 - 3:04:50)
saw

[Speaker 3] (3:04:50 - 3:04:50)
Exactly.

[Speaker 12] (3:04:50 - 3:04:51)
it, they were okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 17] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
Hmm?

[Speaker 3] (3:04:51 - 3:04:52)
Good.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:52 - 3:05:03)
Well, here's the other discussion that I think we need to have to have and we need to have it now versus later and that is the service as far as going to every other week with recycling.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:04 - 3:05:11)
Because I don't want to see us in a position where we're going to wait, we're going to see what happens, and then we're going to turn around and drop another bomb on people.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:11 - 3:05:18)
I would prefer that we have this conversation right away and we make a decision right away and then we set

[Speaker 2] (3:05:18 - 3:05:21)
set a time on when we're going to implement that. So

[Speaker 7] (3:05:22 - 3:05:30)
How does one get though, true community feedback if they don't have the barrel yet that they're using to determine whether or not twice a week, I mean uh every other week is

[Speaker 7] (3:05:31 - 3:05:31)
viable.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:31 - 3:05:34)
I think it I think it takes I think it's

[Speaker 2] (3:05:34 - 3:05:37)
I think it's on us to decide whether or not this can be done.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:37 - 3:05:43)
Now Republic was here on Monday and when they were asked the question how many communities,

[Speaker 2] (3:05:43 - 3:05:45)
I mean they cover the majority of the Commonwealth of

[Speaker 7] (3:05:45 - 3:05:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:46 - 3:05:51)
commuting and out of the majority and every one of those, or I don't think he said every single one,

[Speaker 2] (3:05:51 - 3:05:51)
but pretty

[Speaker 12] (3:05:51 - 3:05:52)
Most or...

[Speaker 2] (3:05:52 - 3:05:56)
most of their their clients are every other week.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:57 - 3:06:01)
So if we provide a service of if you think you have too much

[Speaker 2] (3:06:01 - 3:06:09)
recycling, and you couldn't handle every other week, then you should be you should be able to get another barrel or, you know, buy another buy another barrel.

[Speaker 7] (3:06:09 - 3:06:10)
Buy another barrel.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:10 - 3:06:14)
Yeah, lease another barrel. So you're gonna lease another barrel and if you feel that

[Speaker 2] (3:06:14 - 3:06:16)
That also might have a problem.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:16 - 3:06:24)
Then we should have a mechanism at the DPW on the last week of the month where if you need to bring some more cardboard down,

[Speaker 2] (3:06:24 - 3:06:26)
you can still bring some more cardboard down.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:26 - 3:06:29)
Yeah, people's main concerns were just the amount of corrugated.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:29 - 3:06:31)
And Amazon.

[Speaker 12] (3:06:31 - 3:06:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:31 - 3:06:38)
Chino is looking to do along at the end of the month where we have metals and styrofoam

[Speaker 7] (3:06:38 - 3:06:38)
Fire foam,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:38 - 3:06:38)
to

[Speaker 7] (3:06:38 - 3:06:38)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:38 - 3:06:42)
pilot a cardboard take.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:42 - 3:06:46)
And I think we'll see when we see what that load looks like.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:47 - 3:06:51)
I think if we say we're gonna have recycling the first week of the month,

[Speaker 2] (3:06:51 - 3:07:06)
the third week of the month and we have in just in case you need more, you can also drop it off on the fourth week during the metal recycling, that is giving people the opportunity. And if you feel that you

[Speaker 2] (3:07:06 - 3:07:12)
need more than you can also lease another barrel same as getting another smaller barrel for trash.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:13 - 3:07:32)
But I I did speak with several families, um a family of six, a family of four, family of two and every one of those families were uh th they were positive about being able to do it. Now there was a family on my block who is very apprehensive about it um

[Speaker 2] (3:07:33 - 3:07:38)
And that's the extent of my research, but it it's

[Speaker 18] (3:07:38 - 3:07:40)
How mo how much is it gonna cost us or how much is

[Speaker 7] (3:07:40 - 3:07:41)
How much it is gonna it cost save us it?

[Speaker 18] (3:07:41 - 3:07:42)
no,

[Speaker 3] (3:07:42 - 3:07:42)
Save it.

[Speaker 18] (3:07:42 - 3:07:44)
how much is it gonna cost us if we don't do it?

[Speaker 7] (3:07:44 - 3:07:45)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:45 - 3:07:46)
One hundred and seventy thousand.

[Speaker 12] (3:07:47 - 3:07:48)
One hundred and per last.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:48 - 3:07:49)
It was about a hundred just

[Speaker 12] (3:07:49 - 3:07:49)
A hundred and fifty.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:49 - 3:07:51)
one hundred sixty eight something.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:51 - 3:07:52)
One hundred and sixty eight thousand.

[Speaker 7] (3:07:53 - 3:07:57)
Yeah, let's call it one fifty, 'cause that's a low ball, right? So it's approximately one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

[Speaker 10] (3:07:58 - 3:08:00)
It was close to one seventy. I'm gonna chalk it up to that.

[Speaker 12] (3:08:00 - 3:08:06)
It it it is meaningful because when you look at the contract over time, if it's just going up with a five percent increase.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:06 - 3:08:06)
Exactly.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:06 - 3:08:07)
It yeah, it gets more and more and more.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:07 - 3:08:10)
So year one it's one sixty eight, year two it's that plus five percent,

[Speaker 7] (3:08:10 - 3:08:11)
Plus five percent.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:11 - 3:08:11)
and

[Speaker 18] (3:08:11 - 3:08:11)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:11 - 3:08:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:08:11 - 3:08:12)
then it

[Speaker 7] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
Year three

[Speaker 10] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
don't

[Speaker 18] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
Which

[Speaker 7] (3:08:12 - 3:08:13)
just is escalate. that plus five.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:13 - 3:08:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:13 - 3:08:14)
so Salem, you

[Speaker 18] (3:08:14 - 3:08:15)
Which

[Speaker 2] (3:08:15 - 3:08:15)
know.

[Speaker 18] (3:08:15 - 3:08:17)
we could offset with a trash fee, I hate to say it,

[Speaker 10] (3:08:17 - 3:08:17)
Right.

[Speaker 18] (3:08:17 - 3:08:18)
right, but you could in theory.

[Speaker 7] (3:08:18 - 3:08:19)
Well, if he can't be punitive.

[Speaker 18] (3:08:21 - 3:08:21)
Or

[Speaker 3] (3:08:21 - 3:08:21)
Has

[Speaker 18] (3:08:21 - 3:08:21)
no,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:21 - 3:08:21)
not

[Speaker 18] (3:08:21 - 3:08:21)
not

[Speaker 3] (3:08:21 - 3:08:21)
not

[Speaker 18] (3:08:21 - 3:08:22)
that

[Speaker 3] (3:08:22 - 3:08:22)
not a little bit

[Speaker 2] (3:08:22 - 3:08:22)
that

[Speaker 3] (3:08:22 - 3:08:22)
period.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:22 - 3:08:23)
would mean punitive,

[Speaker 18] (3:08:23 - 3:08:23)
No.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:23 - 3:08:24)
that would be covering

[Speaker 3] (3:08:24 - 3:08:24)
Is it?

[Speaker 2] (3:08:24 - 3:08:29)
the cost. Um Salem, Salem does it, I'm pretty sure Lynn does it, the

[Speaker 2] (3:08:30 - 3:08:30)
Every

[Speaker 1] (3:08:30 - 3:08:30)
every other

[Speaker 2] (3:08:30 - 3:08:30)
other week.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:30 - 3:08:31)
week. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:31 - 3:08:37)
The other piece is, is it going to cost us to have the DPW yard open for receiving?

[Speaker 1] (3:08:37 - 3:08:38)
It's already open.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:39 - 3:08:39)
Well, end of the month.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
It is

[Speaker 3] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
right

[Speaker 5] (3:08:40 - 3:08:40)
The

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:41)
not

[Speaker 3] (3:08:41 - 3:08:41)
in

[Speaker 5] (3:08:41 - 3:08:41)
Saturday is paint,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:41 - 3:08:41)
the middle of town.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:41 - 3:08:42)
metal, and

[Speaker 1] (3:08:42 - 3:08:44)
Right, so they're not gonna it's not gonna cause us

[Speaker 5] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
hazardous.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
any

[Speaker 6] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
additional

[Speaker 6] (3:08:44 - 3:08:44)
it's not additional,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:44 - 3:08:45)
expense.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:45 - 3:08:45)
I

[Speaker 6] (3:08:45 - 3:08:45)
it's

[Speaker 5] (3:08:45 - 3:08:45)
think.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:45 - 3:08:46)
what we're already operating

[Speaker 7] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
Well, we'll

[Speaker 6] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
this

[Speaker 7] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
have to

[Speaker 6] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
way.

[Speaker 7] (3:08:46 - 3:08:49)
pay for the dumpster or whatever, like there will be a nominal cost,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49)
There's

[Speaker 7] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:49 - 3:08:50)
got to be some cost.

[Speaker 7] (3:08:50 - 3:08:51)
for a place to put it.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:51 - 3:08:51)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:51 - 3:08:53)
Or more man or manpower or

[Speaker 6] (3:08:53 - 3:08:53)
No, no, no, it

[Speaker 3] (3:08:53 - 3:08:53)
staffing.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:53 - 3:08:55)
there's the the there

[Speaker 5] (3:08:55 - 3:08:55)
Marketing.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:55 - 3:09:04)
is a nominal cost to additional tipping for recycling, it is the most valuable as long as we keep it clean of our recycle right now when

[Speaker 5] (3:09:04 - 3:09:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:04 - 3:09:04)
but

[Speaker 7] (3:09:04 - 3:09:05)
So you have to cancel the Pacific.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:05 - 3:09:06)
it's it's also

[Speaker 7] (3:09:06 - 3:09:07)
We're we're

[Speaker 7] (3:09:07 - 3:09:10)
If it's raining, you have to cancel because the cardboard gets wet and then it gets too heavy

[Speaker 6] (3:09:10 - 3:09:10)
It's

[Speaker 7] (3:09:10 - 3:09:10)
and it's

[Speaker 6] (3:09:10 - 3:09:10)
also very

[Speaker 7] (3:09:10 - 3:09:10)
it's

[Speaker 6] (3:09:10 - 3:09:11)
light.

[Speaker 7] (3:09:11 - 3:09:11)
not as valuable.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:11 - 3:09:12)
It's also very light.

[Speaker 7] (3:09:12 - 3:09:13)
The lid on it gets like a barrel.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:13 - 3:09:17)
So like to get a ton of cardboard is takes a lot more cardboard in volume

[Speaker 9] (3:09:17 - 3:09:17)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:17 - 3:09:18)
than

[Speaker 9] (3:09:18 - 3:09:19)
It's a lot of cardboard.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:19 - 3:09:21)
right than to have a ton of glass, you know, like so.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:22 - 3:09:33)
But yeah, it's something that when we talked about it, Gino said it would only work if we do it on that Sunday or on the weekends that we're already there because then it is adding staff time and everything else and it's cutting into savings.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:33 - 3:09:39)
Thanks. So that was certainly part of the discussion throughout with the task force group that included Mary Ellen and Wayne.

[Speaker 3] (3:09:39 - 3:09:43)
And you don't think this is going to discourage people from recycling by

[Speaker 6] (3:09:43 - 3:09:44)
What?

[Speaker 6] (3:09:44 - 3:09:44)
By

[Speaker 3] (3:09:44 - 3:09:44)
doing

[Speaker 7] (3:09:44 - 3:09:44)
going every other

[Speaker 6] (3:09:44 - 3:09:44)
every

[Speaker 7] (3:09:44 - 3:09:45)
week?

[Speaker 3] (3:09:45 - 3:09:49)
other week instead of just tossing it in the trash because I don't want to bother weeding

[Speaker 6] (3:09:49 - 3:09:49)
I honestly,

[Speaker 3] (3:09:49 - 3:09:51)
everywhere, I'm just saying.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:51 - 3:09:51)
there

[Speaker 7] (3:09:53 - 3:09:54)
They won't fit it.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:54 - 3:09:55)
Most communities

[Speaker 7] (3:09:55 - 3:09:57)
They're refitting it in your trash barrel to be honest

[Speaker 1] (3:09:57 - 3:09:58)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (3:09:58 - 3:09:59)
Communities in this area,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:59 - 3:09:59)
trash barrels.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:59 - 3:10:02)
in this area, most communities are already every other week.

[Speaker 10] (3:10:02 - 3:10:04)
What's Marblehead? They just negotiated theirs. Are

[Speaker 1] (3:10:04 - 3:10:05)
What's

[Speaker 10] (3:10:05 - 3:10:05)
they moving

[Speaker 1] (3:10:05 - 3:10:05)
not?

[Speaker 10] (3:10:05 - 3:10:05)
to

[Speaker 1] (3:10:05 - 3:10:06)
What's not?

[Speaker 10] (3:10:06 - 3:10:09)
Uh okay, that's the hunt. Marblehead what are sh uh surrounding

[Speaker 11] (3:10:09 - 3:10:10)
I don't know what Marblehead

[Speaker 10] (3:10:10 - 3:10:10)
communities?

[Speaker 11] (3:10:10 - 3:10:16)
is, 'cause they made a bunch of choices like late in the game. I don't know what their uh their final choice was. Is uh can we

[Speaker 6] (3:10:16 - 3:10:17)
Well, there are every

[Speaker 11] (3:10:17 - 3:10:18)
I other think they have the transportation anyways,

[Speaker 6] (3:10:18 - 3:10:18)
They're

[Speaker 11] (3:10:18 - 3:10:18)
so their they have

[Speaker 6] (3:10:18 - 3:10:18)
republic

[Speaker 11] (3:10:18 - 3:10:19)
workers.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:19 - 3:10:20)
as well, so I think he would have said

[Speaker 10] (3:10:20 - 3:10:22)
No, I'm just curious what our

[Speaker 11] (3:10:22 - 3:10:23)
Um

[Speaker 10] (3:10:23 - 3:10:25)
surrounding c what our neighbour communities are doing that.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:25 - 3:10:28)
Could we at least wait to make this decision until the 7th so that we could have public

[Speaker 7] (3:10:28 - 3:10:29)
public comment on it and invite

[Speaker 6] (3:10:29 - 3:10:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:29 - 3:10:30)
public to discuss it

[Speaker 6] (3:10:30 - 3:10:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:30 - 3:10:32)
because it's not a topic that we've discussed

[Speaker 11] (3:10:32 - 3:10:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:32 - 3:10:32)
as

[Speaker 1] (3:10:32 - 3:10:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:32 - 3:10:34)
publicly as the all the other

[Speaker 11] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:34 - 3:10:35)
trash related

[Speaker 11] (3:10:35 - 3:10:38)
topic So I think we can do it.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:39 - 3:10:43)
My concern is the rollout of this.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:43 - 3:10:47)
And so I understand Mary Ellen's point of thought where, you know, we don't want to go.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:48 - 3:10:51)
You know, feel like people are getting hit Right. over the head,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:51 - 3:10:51)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:51 - 3:10:52)
you know,

[Speaker 7] (3:10:52 - 3:10:52)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:52 - 3:10:55)
and all, six months from now, what are they doing now? You know, Right. we need

[Speaker 7] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:55 - 3:10:56)
to get in front of it.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:56 - 3:10:57)
I am,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:57 - 3:10:58)
And advertise it.

[Speaker 11] (3:10:58 - 3:10:59)
yeah,

[Speaker 11] (3:10:59 - 3:11:09)
I am just a bit hesitant to do something that I don't know how it's going to turn out yet.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:09 - 3:11:12)
What about if you had a five month rollout? You had a five month, if you said, listen,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:12 - 3:11:13)
this is

[Speaker 1] (3:11:13 - 3:11:15)
We have our new barrels.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:15 - 3:11:18)
Figure out how you're putting it on the curb. It's all,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:18 - 3:11:20)
it's not that hard.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:20 - 3:11:23)
You're going to be okay. And starting January,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:23 - 3:11:25)
we're going to be going every other week.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:25 - 3:11:27)
That gives people five months.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:27 - 3:11:28)
What about October?

[Speaker 1] (3:11:29 - 3:11:29)
Well.

[Speaker 10] (3:11:29 - 3:11:33)
Well, you get close to holiday season at that point and recycling during,

[Speaker 10] (3:11:33 - 3:11:33)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:33 - 3:11:34)
I was good with October,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:35 - 3:11:35)
but.

[Speaker 11] (3:11:36 - 3:11:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:36 - 3:11:36)
Yeah, and I'm just

[Speaker 11] (3:11:36 - 3:11:38)
I mean and you know we can always reserve the right to

[Speaker 1] (3:11:38 - 3:11:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:39 - 3:11:39)
Did you get any feedback

[Speaker 11] (3:11:39 - 3:11:40)
get popular

[Speaker 3] (3:11:40 - 3:11:41)
on this Monday night? Anybody ask it?

[Speaker 11] (3:11:41 - 3:11:42)
not for every other week

[Speaker 3] (3:11:42 - 3:11:43)
So we didn't even

[Speaker 6] (3:11:43 - 3:11:43)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:43 - 3:11:44)
I have to ask yet,

[Speaker 6] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
to

[Speaker 3] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
right?

[Speaker 6] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
be clear,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
to

[Speaker 3] (3:11:44 - 3:11:45)
This hasn't

[Speaker 6] (3:11:45 - 3:11:45)
be clear,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:45 - 3:11:45)
been publicized.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:45 - 3:11:53)
I know that you've disagreed with my characterization of this. I've talked about this, we're not changing service levels Right. in

[Speaker 3] (3:11:53 - 3:11:54)
That's what July. I heard too,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:54 - 3:11:54)
so.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:54 - 3:11:54)
That's what.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:55 - 3:12:02)
We are doing what we've always been doing and that's why and so we have not asked for we have not solicited feedback on this idea.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:02 - 3:12:02)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:02 - 3:12:09)
Some people have certainly heard your discussions on it and I've mentioned it as part of the discussion and I explicitly talked about it at the solid waste advisory.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:09 - 3:12:12)
I don't know that I did as much in the one this

[Speaker 11] (3:12:12 - 3:12:12)
Now we really

[Speaker 6] (3:12:12 - 3:12:13)
past Monday

[Speaker 11] (3:12:13 - 3:12:13)
haven't. Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:13 - 3:12:21)
that we negotiated a price for this for a reason because this was our chance to do it and we anticipated that this could be a change in the future but

[Speaker 6] (3:12:21 - 3:12:22)
but when you get this barrel in July,

[Speaker 6] (3:12:23 - 3:12:27)
you're still gonna have it every Tuesday. It's not gonna be every other Tuesday, it's gonna be every Tuesday.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:27 - 3:12:28)
S we've probably

[Speaker 7] (3:12:28 - 3:12:28)
Well

[Speaker 1] (3:12:28 - 3:12:30)
stated that and now we're gonna potentially

[Speaker 6] (3:12:30 - 3:12:31)
No, I think what Mary Ellen's saying

[Speaker 1] (3:12:31 - 3:12:32)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (3:12:32 - 3:12:32)
is

[Speaker 1] (3:12:32 - 3:12:32)
saying

[Speaker 6] (3:12:32 - 3:12:32)
get used

[Speaker 1] (3:12:32 - 3:12:32)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (3:12:32 - 3:12:33)
to it,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33)
saying

[Speaker 7] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33)
It's

[Speaker 6] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33)
but make

[Speaker 7] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33)
get

[Speaker 6] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33)
a decision

[Speaker 7] (3:12:33 - 3:12:34)
it off the

[Speaker 1] (3:12:34 - 3:12:34)
right.

[Speaker 7] (3:12:34 - 3:12:34)
table.

[Speaker 10] (3:12:34 - 3:12:34)
And it's

[Speaker 6] (3:12:34 - 3:12:34)
implementation.

[Speaker 10] (3:12:34 - 3:12:34)
I just said, right.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:34 - 3:12:35)
a decision,

[Speaker 11] (3:12:35 - 3:12:35)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:35 - 3:12:48)
we're not gonna we're not gonna do this until for I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't wanna I wouldn't wanna do this anything earlier than three months to make sure everybody October, but I think to make it even easier on the public to

[Speaker 1] (3:12:48 - 3:12:54)
look to say January because now we're past the holidays you know that's just the input that I have.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:54 - 3:12:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:54 - 3:12:55)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:12:55 - 3:12:55)
so,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:55 - 3:12:58)
had a resident say that he thought January was a better date.

[Speaker 10] (3:12:58 - 3:12:59)
Yeah, I'm

[Speaker 7] (3:12:59 - 3:12:59)
I

[Speaker 10] (3:12:59 - 3:12:59)
going to be

[Speaker 7] (3:12:59 - 3:12:59)
mean

[Speaker 10] (3:12:59 - 3:13:00)
sleeping the on

[Speaker 7] (3:13:00 - 3:13:00)
tides

[Speaker 10] (3:13:00 - 3:13:00)
the couch

[Speaker 7] (3:13:00 - 3:13:00)
here

[Speaker 10] (3:13:00 - 3:13:00)
tonight if

[Speaker 7] (3:13:00 - 3:13:01)
they're going I to

[Speaker 10] (3:13:01 - 3:13:01)
don't.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:01 - 3:13:03)
write about it and then we're going to have feedback

[Speaker 10] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
I'm

[Speaker 7] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
about

[Speaker 10] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
sorry,

[Speaker 7] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
that's

[Speaker 10] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
that's

[Speaker 7] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
so

[Speaker 10] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
the

[Speaker 7] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
oh

[Speaker 10] (3:13:03 - 3:13:04)
Lynn item.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:04 - 3:13:06)
the Lynn item sorry I apologize the

[Speaker 1] (3:13:06 - 3:13:06)
That's okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:06 - 3:13:19)
item is here they're going to write about it and then I'm sorry it wasn't meant to be personal thank you um they're going to write about it and then we're going to have a million people show up on the 7th to give public comment about whether every other week is

[Speaker 7] (3:13:19 - 3:13:20)
a viable option.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:20 - 3:13:25)
I mean let's I mean we close to $170,000 savings

[Speaker 7] (3:13:26 - 3:13:27)
I know it's hard to pass up that

[Speaker 1] (3:13:27 - 3:13:27)
right

[Speaker 7] (3:13:27 - 3:13:28)
savings.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:28 - 3:13:29)
especially when

[Speaker 10] (3:13:29 - 3:13:32)
Well, after three years, that's a hundred and almost $190,000 total,

[Speaker 6] (3:13:32 - 3:13:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:32 - 3:13:33)
Great. So

[Speaker 10] (3:13:33 - 3:13:34)
like it grows.

[Speaker 10] (3:13:34 - 3:13:35)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:13:36 - 3:13:37)
I don't

[Speaker 7] (3:13:37 - 3:13:37)
Alright,

[Speaker 3] (3:13:37 - 3:13:37)
know.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:37 - 3:13:40)
is there anything else left because we're not gonna f we're not gonna solve this one

[Speaker 1] (3:13:40 - 3:13:40)
No.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:40 - 3:13:41)
topic tonight.

[Speaker 11] (3:13:41 - 3:13:41)
Oh, I

[Speaker 7] (3:13:41 - 3:13:41)
Is there

[Speaker 11] (3:13:41 - 3:13:41)
just

[Speaker 7] (3:13:41 - 3:13:42)
anything else left

[Speaker 11] (3:13:42 - 3:13:43)
setting the table,

[Speaker 11] (3:13:43 - 3:13:44)
so Right. we

[Speaker 6] (3:13:44 - 3:13:44)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (3:13:44 - 3:13:44)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:44 - 3:13:45)
so we know

[Speaker 7] (3:13:45 - 3:13:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:45 - 3:13:55)
where the pitches go. We'll have a brief discussion on the costs for the fee, the background and how we arrived at it, and then you all can deliberate and decide on the seventh.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:55 - 3:13:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:56 - 3:13:56)
Okay, good.

[Speaker 10] (3:13:56 - 3:13:57)
That'll be fun.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:57 - 3:13:58)
The fee for the extra barrel I'm talking about.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:58 - 3:13:59)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:59 - 3:14:00)
Just want to be clear.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:01 - 3:14:03)
both extra barrels. 'Cause they're they're not

[Speaker 10] (3:14:03 - 3:14:03)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:03 - 3:14:04)
really the same price.

[Speaker 10] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:04 - 3:14:05)
Or they could be, but they probably don't.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:05 - 3:14:06)
So it should be no, they can't be.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:06 - 3:14:07)
Hopefully my son

[Speaker 1] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
will get recycled

[Speaker 7] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
Well, yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:07 - 3:14:08)
in there,

[Speaker 10] (3:14:08 - 3:14:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:08 - 3:14:08)
okay?

[Speaker 7] (3:14:08 - 3:14:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:08 - 3:14:10)
So it can't be because the recycle.

[Speaker 10] (3:14:10 - 3:14:11)
It's a hundred and ninety gallons of recycling.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:12 - 3:14:12)
Um

[Speaker 11] (3:14:12 - 3:14:13)
How's the question?

[Speaker 7] (3:14:13 - 3:14:18)
Okay, so we'll move on to the final topic on the old and new business,

[Speaker 7] (3:14:18 - 3:14:21)
which is the six month review of the town administrator.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:22 - 3:14:24)
So in accordance with the town administrator's contract,

[Speaker 7] (3:14:25 - 3:14:27)
we negotiated a six month review.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:28 - 3:14:29)
And the charter.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:29 - 3:14:30)
It's on the charter.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:30 - 3:14:31)
It's what, okay,

[Speaker 7] (3:14:31 - 3:14:32)
so

[Speaker 6] (3:14:32 - 3:14:32)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:14:32 - 3:14:32)
it's in the,

[Speaker 6] (3:14:32 - 3:14:32)
said both.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:32 - 3:14:32)
yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:14:32 - 3:14:33)
And the charter.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33)
and

[Speaker 6] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:33 - 3:14:40)
the charter, yes. One topic I do want to get into before we give the review is that there is a misalignment now between.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:40 - 3:14:42)
the start

[Speaker 1] (3:14:42 - 3:14:42)
Timing.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:42 - 3:14:45)
and end date of Nick's con yeah the start date of Nick's contract and

[Speaker 6] (3:14:45 - 3:14:46)
Thanks.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:46 - 3:14:49)
the annual review process and what it says in the charter.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:49 - 3:14:50)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:50 - 3:14:53)
So the charter contemplates a June review annual review.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:53 - 3:14:53)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:53 - 3:14:57)
It worked out we did a six month review in June.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:57 - 3:14:57)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:57 - 3:15:00)
So his six month well his the six Six month review

[Speaker 3] (3:15:00 - 3:15:00)
month

[Speaker 7] (3:15:00 - 3:15:00)
actually

[Speaker 3] (3:15:00 - 3:15:00)
was June

[Speaker 7] (3:15:00 - 3:15:00)
began

[Speaker 3] (3:15:00 - 3:15:00)
and April.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:00 - 3:15:01)
in April and

[Speaker 3] (3:15:01 - 3:15:02)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:02 - 3:15:06)
we solicited feedback from the prior board members which is what I will be presenting tonight.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:06 - 3:15:06)
tonight.

[Speaker 11] (3:15:06 - 3:15:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:07 - 3:15:09)
So we would be looking at October for his annual review.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:09 - 3:15:10)
Right, because

[Speaker 7] (3:15:10 - 3:15:10)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:15:10 - 3:15:10)
that's his

[Speaker 7] (3:15:10 - 3:15:10)
we

[Speaker 3] (3:15:10 - 3:15:11)
hire

[Speaker 7] (3:15:11 - 3:15:11)
should

[Speaker 3] (3:15:11 - 3:15:11)
date.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:11 - 3:15:17)
at some point update our hand charter and handbook with the charter review committee.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:17 - 3:15:19)
Slated to, we got to get that going.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:19 - 3:15:23)
But that should be a topic so that we can align with, you know, upon the

[Speaker 3] (3:15:23 - 3:15:24)
anniversary It should say

[Speaker 7] (3:15:24 - 3:15:24)
of hiring

[Speaker 3] (3:15:24 - 3:15:25)
in anniversary date instead of June.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:25 - 3:15:28)
and it should be an annual process that occurs.

[Speaker 11] (3:15:28 - 3:15:29)
Got written that way.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:29 - 3:15:29)
Exactly.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:29 - 3:15:30)
It's not, it just says every June.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:30 - 3:15:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:32 - 3:15:33)
Okay, so.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:35 - 3:15:39)
The overall combined scoring in each individual category,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:39 - 3:15:48)
so the five of the two prior board members and the three of us all did our best to answer the questions that were put forward, which included personal characteristics,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:48 - 3:15:50)
professional skills and status,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:50 - 3:15:51)
relationship with our board,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:51 - 3:15:53)
policy and governance reporting,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:53 - 3:15:54)
citizens relations,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:54 - 3:15:56)
employee relations supervision,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:56 - 3:16:00)
fiscal management and community slash external relations.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:00 - 3:16:04)
I will say that not all members answered all of the sections,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:04 - 3:16:06)
so it does sort of skew the results.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:06 - 3:16:09)
Some members felt like they couldn't answer certain sections because,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:09 - 3:16:11)
for whatever reason.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:11 - 3:16:20)
So for the first category, personal characteristics, and Nick and I have already discussed this, so this is not.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:21 - 3:16:47)
will be new to NIC but personal characteristics that combined rating was excellent with strong consensus of high performance across all of the reviewers for professional skills and status the they called it a high S so some satisfactory some excellent mostly strong with some variations from one reviewer so relations with select board again they gave it a high we gave it a high S which is very strong overall with

[Speaker 7] (3:16:46 - 3:16:49)
with consistent positive feedback across most reviewers.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:50 - 3:16:54)
Policy and governance was rated as satisfactory with a solid performance,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:54 - 3:16:55)
limited variation,

[Speaker 7] (3:16:55 - 3:16:57)
but fewer excellent ratings in that subcategory.

[Speaker 7] (3:16:59 - 3:17:01)
There was high S for reporting.

[Speaker 7] (3:17:03 - 3:17:05)
For citizens relations,

[Speaker 7] (3:17:05 - 3:17:08)
the combined review was satisfactory.

[Speaker 7] (3:17:11 - 3:17:38)
employee relations it was a high s which means some said excellent and some said satisfactory with more saying excellent than satisfactory for supervision satisfactory this was the most variable of the subcategories and this is where most people did not answer it because it was based mostly on like relationships really like for the chair or vice chair and if you didn't hold that role you might not have had purview or felt like you comfortable answering some of these questions

[Speaker 7] (3:17:38 - 3:17:38)
questions.

[Speaker 7] (3:17:39 - 3:17:40)
Fiscal management,

[Speaker 7] (3:17:40 - 3:17:41)
it was excellent,

[Speaker 7] (3:17:41 - 3:17:44)
one of the strongest and most consistent of next categories.

[Speaker 7] (3:17:44 - 3:17:48)
And then for community and external relation,

[Speaker 7] (3:17:48 - 3:17:49)
he got a high S,

[Speaker 7] (3:17:49 - 3:17:52)
which is a strong performance with some opportunity for growth.

[Speaker 7] (3:17:52 - 3:18:03)
Overall, the town administrator has demonstrated a strong overall performance across the evaluation period with a majority of reviewers rating his performance in the high satisfactory to excellent range.

[Speaker 7] (3:18:03 - 3:18:09)
In several areas consistently noted as highly effective.

[Speaker 7] (3:18:09 - 3:18:12)
His key strengths include his excellent judgment,

[Speaker 7] (3:18:12 - 3:18:13)
professionalism, and composure,

[Speaker 7] (3:18:14 - 3:18:22)
his ability to maintain clear and transparent and timely communication with the board providing thoughtful recommendations but supporting the board's overall informed decision-making skills,

[Speaker 7] (3:18:23 - 3:18:24)
demonstrating strong ability to

[Speaker 1] (3:18:42 - 3:18:47)
Most impressive is the positive working relationships that he has built in the short period at Town Hall.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:47 - 3:19:00)
I will say that I have spoken with many staff members at Town Hall and the most positive thing I hear about Nick is how he empowers them to do their job and they feel like a partner with Nick which is amazing.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:01 - 3:19:06)
Atmosphere in that building has shifted and it's much to Nick's

[Speaker 2] (3:19:06 - 3:19:07)
Next credit.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:07 - 3:19:07)
credit.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:08 - 3:19:14)
Performance obviously performed strongly in financial management including his budget preparation,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:14 - 3:19:15)
his fiscal oversight,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:15 - 3:19:20)
and responsible use of resources and then showing commitment to organizational effectiveness.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:21 - 3:19:28)
We have not been keeping up with all of our processes and procedures but he has tried to implement some and continues to

[Speaker 8] (3:19:28 - 3:19:29)
do that.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:28 - 3:19:32)
and continues to encourage department heads to do so.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:33 - 3:19:35)
So areas for continued growth,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:35 - 3:19:40)
increasing engagement with the broader community, more direct outreach and visibility to residents,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:40 - 3:19:44)
quicker response time to residents through email or otherwise,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:44 - 3:19:48)
continue to delegate responsibilities and empower staff.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:48 - 3:19:49)
Staff feels very empowered,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:49 - 3:19:52)
but it does feel like there's just a lot of work to go around.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:52 - 3:19:58)
So we will continue to ask Nick to delegate where able to further strengthen his internal leadership capacity.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:59 - 3:19:59)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:59 - 3:20:05)
In certain situations, Nick might benefit from addressing challenges more directly and proactively,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:05 - 3:20:10)
and then to improve visibility and communication with some internal management areas.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:12 - 3:20:18)
And that is just because the some of the board members didn't feel like they could answer some of the questions.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:18 - 3:20:26)
So the feedback was maybe if we discuss it more at large, then everybody will feel empowered to answer it six months from now.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:27 - 3:20:27)
So overall,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:28 - 3:20:30)
the town administrators performing at a very high level,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:30 - 3:20:39)
exceeding expectations in several key areas and meeting expectations in all others. The feedback reflects a capable and effective leader who has made strong progress and is well positioned for continued.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:39 - 3:20:44)
continued success with targeted opportunities to enhance community engagement and organizational depth.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:45 - 3:20:46)
So again,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:47 - 3:20:53)
the key takeaways are the highest rating is personal characteristics and fiscal management.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:54 - 3:20:57)
And the more moderate development areas are policy and government,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:57 - 3:20:59)
citizens relations and supervision.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:00 - 3:21:02)
So that is the

[Speaker 1] (3:21:03 - 3:21:04)
combine scoring.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:06 - 3:21:10)
And I will be providing that to Katie DuPont

[Speaker 3] (3:21:10 - 3:21:10)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:10 - 3:21:17)
so she can hold it if somebody should wish to see the consolidated.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:18 - 3:21:27)
And then we will figure out how we align so that we are doing the October review, but also keeping um best practice in

[Speaker 4] (3:21:27 - 3:21:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:27 - 3:21:30)
align with the charter, because we're not gonna do one in October and one in June.

[Speaker 5] (3:21:30 - 3:21:33)
I mean if you all wanted to you could just do six months from

[Speaker 4] (3:21:33 - 3:21:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (3:21:33 - 3:21:34)
now and then get on

[Speaker 1] (3:21:34 - 3:21:35)
And the then get on June

[Speaker 5] (3:21:35 - 3:21:37)
get on the charger schedule after that.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:37 - 3:21:39)
Mm-hmm. That's fine.

[Speaker 5] (3:21:39 - 3:21:40)
So that it's

[Speaker 5] (3:21:40 - 3:21:44)
More intensive in the beginning and then on to the schedule, but it's up to you.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:44 - 3:21:45)
Okay. I mean,

[Speaker 5] (3:21:45 - 3:21:45)
Fine with whatever.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:45 - 3:21:52)
fine with that too. And this was the first time we used this form. There was some feedback about this form and it not being the best form.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:54)
I really disliked the prior form.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:55 - 3:22:05)
Um so I have asked Danielle to do a little bit of research and see if we can come up with a standard form that we could all agree on before we actually do the reviewing so people feel comfortable and able to answer all the

[Speaker 1] (3:22:05 - 3:22:05)
are all the questions.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:06 - 3:22:08)
So Danielle's going to work on that in the meantime.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:09 - 3:22:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:10 - 3:22:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:12 - 3:22:13)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:13 - 3:22:14)
Any questions?

[Speaker 1] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
Everybody's good?

[Speaker 6] (3:22:16 - 3:22:21)
No, I just want to say this is very much a job where there is no matrix,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:21 - 3:22:26)
there is no onboarding, there is essentially trial by fire,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:26 - 3:22:29)
and you know, it's difficult,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:29 - 3:22:29)
right?

[Speaker 6] (3:22:29 - 3:22:41)
You know, when Nick walked in day one, he didn't get somebody leading him around showing him the ins and outs, this is what you do, this is how you do the job. In the absence of that, I think you've performed exceptionally well.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:42 - 3:22:43)
Are you perfect?

[Speaker 6] (3:22:43 - 3:22:43)
No.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:43 - 3:22:44)
Who is, right?

[Speaker 6] (3:22:45 - 3:22:50)
But, you know, considering the climate that was in that building,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:51 - 3:22:57)
I have spoken to many employees in Town Hall and they are for once happy.

[Speaker 6] (3:22:57 - 3:23:11)
They feel comfortable. They are doing, you've made a number of significant hires, really good ones, and the overall feeling when you walk in there is different than it used to be and that is all due to you.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:11 - 3:23:17)
So thank you for that and I look forward to the future with you because I really think it's going to, it's going really well.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:17 - 3:23:18)
Well, so

[Speaker 5] (3:23:18 - 3:23:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:19 - 3:23:19)
that's my take.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:20 - 3:23:21)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:22 - 3:23:29)
So I am looking forward to having a different application because I think that application is a little tough.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:29 - 3:23:41)
I mean I couldn't answer something, you know, asking about re the relations with employees. How would we know what the relations are with employees unless we're walking around asking employees how's your relationship with Nick, which I

[Speaker 7] (3:23:42 - 3:24:02)
don't think is really something you want to be doing. Um and I also think that there are some you know there are some you know there some opportunities there. I think communication you know was never touched upon. I think you know our communicate I think communication is something that really needs to work be worked on and

[Speaker 7] (3:24:03 - 3:24:04)
As far as financial,

[Speaker 7] (3:24:04 - 3:24:07)
I don't share that agreement on financial and on budgeting,

[Speaker 7] (3:24:08 - 3:24:10)
and I just think that

[Speaker 7] (3:24:10 - 3:24:31)
we have to have conversations here as far as what is this board's philosophy on finances and how we should be looking at things because we are coming to the end of our um unused levy and we're looking at an override so those are conversations we have to have so that you know he has really clear guidelines on how to put these budgets together.

[Speaker 6] (3:24:33 - 3:24:57)
And that's good feedback, right? I mean, I think too it would be unfair to penalise him for um being here six months and making him responsible for our unused levy right um certainly not something we could grade him on or negatively grade him on um, but yes, certainly you know I think he's carrying out what we direct and what, you know, in the past six months in the way we've guided. So

[Speaker 6] (3:24:58 - 3:25:05)
As much as we want to, if we look for improvement for you, then we have to look inward also because we're the ones kind of driving that bus.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:06 - 3:25:08)
But it's definitely a good point.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:08 - 3:25:13)
On that topic, and I will keep it brief since it's just on what you brought up.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:13 - 3:25:17)
Well done. I think you've done great in the few weeks that I've been on the board and worked with you.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:18 - 3:25:19)
At town meeting this year,

[Speaker 9] (3:25:19 - 3:25:25)
the Finance Committee provided recommendations on ways to minimize future tax levy.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:26 - 3:25:26)
he's

[Speaker 9] (3:25:26 - 3:25:32)
uses, and we should have conversations about those well ahead of budget season.

[Speaker 7] (3:25:32 - 3:25:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:33 - 3:25:38)
Yeah, we should set up a, we've been talking about these financial summits, we had

[Speaker 6] (3:25:38 - 3:25:39)
I knew he was

[Speaker 1] (3:25:39 - 3:25:39)
more

[Speaker 6] (3:25:39 - 3:25:39)
going to.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:39 - 3:25:45)
than the day that we agreed we were going to do them, we've had more than we had before,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:45 - 3:25:47)
so bravo, but we definitely need to have more.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:48 - 3:25:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:25:48 - 3:25:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:48 - 3:25:51)
And I know like originally it was sort of like this.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:52 - 3:25:57)
looming thing that it had to be all things at once and I think we kind of you know

[Speaker 9] (3:25:57 - 3:25:58)
Target the scope.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:58 - 3:26:17)
yeah we've like decided that that's actually not true and we could really make some informed decisions substantively about which topics need to be spoken about so I think we could probably expect I think it's hard to do them in the summer but we could hopefully we can look towards an August or September maybe

[Speaker 7] (3:26:19 - 3:26:20)
In advance

[Speaker 9] (3:26:20 - 3:26:20)
The

[Speaker 7] (3:26:20 - 3:26:20)
of budgets.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:20 - 3:26:20)
In advance

[Speaker 9] (3:26:20 - 3:26:21)
only

[Speaker 1] (3:26:21 - 3:26:21)
of budgets.

[Speaker 9] (3:26:21 - 3:26:27)
nuance I would provide to that is some of those recommendations align with planning and zoning reform,

[Speaker 9] (3:26:27 - 3:26:30)
which we are now encouraging to happen at a fall town meeting,

[Speaker 1] (3:26:30 - 3:26:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (3:26:30 - 3:26:32)
which requires the work to happen over the summer.

[Speaker 7] (3:26:32 - 3:26:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:32 - 3:26:33)
Okay, so we can, we

[Speaker 9] (3:26:33 - 3:26:37)
And the planning board's already working on zoning amendments that kind of fit in a similar mindset,

[Speaker 9] (3:26:37 - 3:26:40)
so that's the only nuance I would suggest.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:40 - 3:26:41)
We can.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:42 - 3:26:50)
see if our partners and FinCom are available in July and see if we can figure

[Speaker 7] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
Start that

[Speaker 1] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
out

[Speaker 7] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
now.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:50 - 3:26:51)
some agenda topics.

[Speaker 9] (3:26:51 - 3:26:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:51 - 3:26:55)
If people have agenda topics they should email them to Nick and or sh and Shannon.

[Speaker 5] (3:26:55 - 3:26:56)
I think that

[Speaker 7] (3:26:56 - 3:26:56)
I think was Eric great

[Speaker 5] (3:26:56 - 3:26:56)
has an

[Speaker 7] (3:26:56 - 3:26:57)
you

[Speaker 5] (3:26:57 - 3:26:57)
interest

[Speaker 7] (3:26:57 - 3:26:57)
said that

[Speaker 5] (3:26:57 - 3:26:57)
in

[Speaker 7] (3:26:57 - 3:26:57)
too.

[Speaker 5] (3:26:57 - 3:27:02)
looking at, and I've talked to Eric about this both before and after the meeting, looking at the policies

[Speaker 1] (3:27:02 - 3:27:02)
Policies,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:02 - 3:27:03)
to

[Speaker 7] (3:27:03 - 3:27:03)
right. Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:03 - 3:27:03)
align,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:04 - 3:27:06)
and it speaks to what Mary Ellen just said actually, that

[Speaker 5] (3:27:07 - 3:27:13)
We're aligning what the priorities and values are right now with the priorities that are outlined.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:13 - 3:27:15)
you know, in those guidelines.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:15 - 3:27:15)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:15 - 3:27:15)
So

[Speaker 6] (3:27:15 - 3:27:16)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:16 - 3:27:22)
this being the second year in a row going in Texas levy with a projection that continues to do that,

[Speaker 6] (3:27:22 - 3:27:22)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:22 - 3:27:28)
we shouldn't have in there that we are not going to do that. We should acknowledge what we're doing right now

[Speaker 1] (3:27:28 - 3:27:28)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:28 - 3:27:30)
or we should draw a hard line that we stop doing it.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:30 - 3:27:31)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:31 - 3:27:40)
And that was one of the things that Eric said it would be important for you all in FinCom to sit down together and have that, among others, have those discussions to say are there guidelines that

[Speaker 5] (3:27:39 - 3:27:43)
Is it looking at it eight, nine years since the last time there was a deep discussion around it?

[Speaker 1] (3:27:43 - 3:27:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:44 - 3:27:49)
Are there things that we need to change to reflect the financial reality that we're in right now?

[Speaker 1] (3:27:49 - 3:28:04)
Yeah, and I think we should think about that when we talk about our goal discussion which is on agenda for late June as a board our goals as a board now we have the master plan now we have thoughts about financial policies now we have you know and how the budgeting process went this year.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:06 - 3:28:11)
Those should all be helping us understand the things that we want to propose as

[Speaker 7] (3:28:11 - 3:28:12)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:12 - 3:28:18)
our sort of high-level policy mission statement as a board.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:20 - 3:28:26)
We will continue on that discussion and then that will dovetail nicely into financial policy discussion.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:26 - 3:28:30)
So I just wanted to comment one thing relative to his performance evaluation.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:30 - 3:28:30)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:31 - 3:28:33)
First of all, I thought you did a wonderful job on Monday.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:34 - 3:28:36)
I really liked how you handled,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:36 - 3:28:40)
you know, all the 50 questions coming at you in public that you did great.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:41 - 3:28:46)
I think your level of professionalism is incredible.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:46 - 3:28:47)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:47 - 3:28:51)
I've come to realize just really how much you've taken on,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:51 - 3:28:51)
um,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:52 - 3:28:53)
and being able,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:54 - 3:28:57)
I know it's challenging when I want an answer back quickly,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:57 - 3:29:02)
but I also recognize you are also juggling chainsaws at the same time.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:02 - 3:29:03)
So,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:03 - 3:29:07)
and I know you're, you're hesitant to even say, you're always one,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:07 - 3:29:11)
I appreciate you always wanting to fall on the sword,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:11 - 3:29:11)
um,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:11 - 3:29:12)
but I want you to know, you know.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:14 - 3:29:23)
That, you know, I hold you to a high, of course a high level of not just respect, but

[Speaker 2] (3:29:23 - 3:29:23)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (3:29:23 - 3:29:25)
um

[Speaker 3] (3:29:24 - 3:29:25)
Expectations?

[Speaker 2] (3:29:25 - 3:29:25)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (3:29:25 - 3:29:26)
Expectations

[Speaker 2] (3:29:26 - 3:29:26)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:26 - 3:29:27)
are high in this job.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:27 - 3:29:42)
And I think delegating those responsibilities to your staff is one of the most important things, building a staff that both has that mutual respect and also knows that they're valued.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:42 - 3:29:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:42 - 3:29:52)
Um is is incredibly important um for the community um and also helps you make uh your your job become more effective. So I just want to say thank you.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:52 - 3:29:52)
Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:53 - 3:29:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:55 - 3:29:55)
Excellent.

[Speaker 5] (3:29:56 - 3:29:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:56 - 3:29:58)
Well enough about you, Nick.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:58 - 3:29:59)
Move on to the consent

[Speaker 4] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59)
I would

[Speaker 1] (3:29:59 - 3:29:59)
agenda.

[Speaker 4] (3:29:59 - 3:30:00)
like to move on. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:00 - 3:30:02)
So on the consent agenda,

[Speaker 5] (3:30:02 - 3:30:05)
would you pull out approval of appointments?

[Speaker 5] (3:30:06 - 3:30:07)
I think that's the only thing.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:08 - 3:30:09)
Approval of appointment. Second?

[Speaker 5] (3:30:09 - 3:30:11)
Yeah, because I c yeah, because I just have a question

[Speaker 1] (3:30:11 - 3:30:11)
All of them?

[Speaker 5] (3:30:11 - 3:30:15)
on that. Yeah just we'll be able to wrap it up, just pull it out so I can just have a a question

[Speaker 1] (3:30:15 - 3:30:16)
Okay. So

[Speaker 5] (3:30:16 - 3:30:16)
on it.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:16 - 3:30:23)
the the motion then on the floor for uh the consent agenda would be items one through five. And we will take six separate.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:24 - 3:30:25)
Somebody wanna approve that?

[Speaker 5] (3:30:25 - 3:30:26)
So motion

[Speaker 4] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
So second.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:26 - 3:30:27)
to approve.

[Speaker 4] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:27 - 3:30:28)
All in favour? Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:28 - 3:30:28)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:28 - 3:30:28)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:29 - 3:30:32)
Okay so now we're looking at just six the approval of the appointment.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:32 - 3:30:44)
So the the question that I have is number one, we're looking at approving appointments um and just wondering, did we have enough time to advertise oh

[Speaker 5] (3:30:48 - 3:30:49)
advertise these

[Speaker 1] (3:30:49 - 3:30:53)
So these most of these are current sitting members and

[Speaker 5] (3:30:53 - 3:30:53)
Right

[Speaker 1] (3:30:53 - 3:31:02)
the and we asked the chair if they and the appointee if they wanted to stay current sitting members and So they're not open seats

[Speaker 5] (3:31:02 - 3:31:09)
Right so the one question I have is for example on the water and sewer committee

[Speaker 5] (3:31:10 - 3:31:14)
You know, do we have a list of people that want to be on the water and sewer committee because

[Speaker 3] (3:31:14 - 3:31:15)
So I c I can address that.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:16 - 3:31:17)
H how about if I finish my sentence?

[Speaker 3] (3:31:17 - 3:31:18)
Sh ah please, yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:18 - 3:31:20)
Um because you have

[Speaker 5] (3:31:21 - 3:31:29)
Do we have anybody, because we have a member here who's on so many different committees. I'm just wondering if we have people who are on so many different committees,

[Speaker 5] (3:31:29 - 3:31:36)
did we want to like make that person an alternate and get somebody else in there or give another citizen an opportunity?

[Speaker 5] (3:31:37 - 3:31:38)
That's, I'm just wondering,

[Speaker 5] (3:31:38 - 3:31:47)
did we really look at this and we didn't have the, we didn't even have the application out there to be able to get on a committee for any extended time.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:47 - 3:31:47)
So.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:47 - 3:32:11)
So, that's that's the question I have. The other thing is, no one um I I'm I'm the liaison to the uh retirement board and no one even asked me about reappointing Tom Driscoll. And I I would like to just say something about Tom Driscoll real quick so you're all very well-educated on Mr. Driscoll and um

[Speaker 5] (3:32:12 - 3:32:14)
I think he's a very rare

[Speaker 5] (3:32:14 - 3:32:41)
volunteer to have in this town and I actually put a couple notes because I didn't want to forget it he's actually in the Janelle Cameron category of volunteers and it's pretty tough to get into that category he's a former select board member and that was he was on the select board before we had town administrators so that means he had to really roll up his sleeves and do a lot of work he's a current clerk of courts he's been a lifelong resident here and he's been on the retirement board

[Speaker 5] (3:32:41 - 3:32:43)
board for 35 years.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:43 - 3:32:53)
I mean he doesn't even look that much older than 35. So he's on the board over 35 years. He's been the chair since I've been on the board, which is he's been on the chair longer than that, but

[Speaker 5] (3:32:54 - 3:33:06)
In the last four years he's been the chair and I've watched him just do an excellent job of controlling his meetings and always keeping everything quick up front and they get a lot of they get a lot of work done.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:06 - 3:33:19)
He keeps the committee expenses super lean whereas other committees across the Commonwealth go on retirement meetings in Colorado California or all over they go the Cape for their for their meetings.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:19 - 3:33:27)
he only spends money when it comes to real important educational um issues that involve it and um

[Speaker 5] (3:33:28 - 3:33:28)
So what

[Speaker 6] (3:33:28 - 3:33:28)
This

[Speaker 5] (3:33:28 - 3:33:29)
are the questions?

[Speaker 6] (3:33:29 - 3:33:36)
this is one of the few committees that this is one of the few retirement boards that doesn't take a compensation.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:36 - 3:33:36)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:36 - 3:33:45)
It's it would be a little bit hard for them to take a compensation when a committee like ours sits here without any compensation to so they they've restrained themselves from that.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:46 - 3:33:47)
But this year alone,

[Speaker 6] (3:33:47 - 3:33:53)
he had to make the board he was actually deciding vote had to make a very important decision as far as

[Speaker 6] (3:33:53 - 3:34:16)
change in consultants and I thought he was out of his mind changing consultants and that action turned to be really a super super positive thing for for the community and the savings and the number one thing that we cannot forget is he and this committee have kept the retirement on target to reach

[Speaker 6] (3:34:16 - 3:34:20)
that goal and be fully funded by 2031.

[Speaker 6] (3:34:20 - 3:34:21)
This is a major,

[Speaker 6] (3:34:21 - 3:34:39)
major accomplishment because I was involved a couple times on wrestling matches that he had with past town administrator to try to ease up. And the past town administrator was really doing his job and he was completely in the right for requesting to have an extension on this.

[Speaker 6] (3:34:40 - 3:34:56)
Tom held held his ground and the committee held their ground and we're looking at being fully funded on 2031 so even though nobody asked me my opinion he is one of the best people to have on this committee I just want to make sure you all knew what this man does

[Speaker 6] (3:34:58 - 3:35:12)
So that's all I have to say about that. And then my only other my only like concern is did people get an opportunity to be on the water committee, water and sewer committee when you have someone who's there who's on so many other committees.

[Speaker 5] (3:35:12 - 3:35:13)
I think

[Speaker 7] (3:35:13 - 3:35:13)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:35:13 - 3:35:13)
they had

[Speaker 7] (3:35:13 - 3:35:13)
I won't

[Speaker 5] (3:35:13 - 3:35:17)
an opportunity to be on any, right? They were advertised all over Facebook,

[Speaker 5] (3:35:17 - 3:35:18)
I know that.

[Speaker 7] (3:35:20 - 3:35:22)
as well, but they did reach out to everybody,

[Speaker 7] (3:35:22 - 3:35:25)
like for instance on the wire and sewer when you guys

[Speaker 6] (3:35:30 - 3:35:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43)
Um,

[Speaker 5] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43)
And

[Speaker 1] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43)
it

[Speaker 5] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43)
so

[Speaker 3] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43)
can

[Speaker 1] (3:35:43 - 3:35:46)
I will also say that uh Brian Drummond has recently given

[Speaker 5] (3:35:46 - 3:35:46)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (3:35:46 - 3:35:47)
his notice

[Speaker 5] (3:35:47 - 3:35:47)
that's uh

[Speaker 1] (3:35:47 - 3:35:50)
to resign from his position, so there will be an open seat and

[Speaker 5] (3:35:50 - 3:35:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:35:50 - 3:35:55)
that we will have to fill outside of this. So you can take Brian off of consideration for this, because he will not be running.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:55 - 3:35:57)
Could I can I address Wesiak for a second?

[Speaker 3] (3:35:57 - 3:35:59)
So um I went to the last meeting

[Speaker 1] (3:35:59 - 3:35:59)
Wait,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:59 - 3:35:59)
had

[Speaker 1] (3:35:59 - 3:35:59)
can you address what?

[Speaker 5] (3:35:59 - 3:36:01)
Who is the act that that

[Speaker 1] (3:36:01 - 3:36:01)
Oh, act

[Speaker 3] (3:36:01 - 3:36:01)
Water-sure,

[Speaker 5] (3:36:01 - 3:36:01)
one.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:01 - 3:36:01)
and I'm sorry.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:01 - 3:36:02)
sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:04 - 3:36:05)
It was like, never what is

[Speaker 4] (3:36:05 - 3:36:05)
heard

[Speaker 1] (3:36:05 - 3:36:05)
this?

[Speaker 4] (3:36:05 - 3:36:05)
it that

[Speaker 1] (3:36:05 - 3:36:05)
What

[Speaker 4] (3:36:05 - 3:36:05)
way.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:05 - 3:36:06)
is the act?

[Speaker 4] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06)
All

[Speaker 6] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06)
Hey,

[Speaker 1] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06)
That's

[Speaker 6] (3:36:06 - 3:36:07)
I got

[Speaker 1] (3:36:07 - 3:36:07)
it's

[Speaker 3] (3:36:07 - 3:36:07)
it, I

[Speaker 6] (3:36:07 - 3:36:07)
I got

[Speaker 4] (3:36:07 - 3:36:07)
It

[Speaker 1] (3:36:07 - 3:36:07)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:07 - 3:36:07)
got it.

[Speaker 4] (3:36:07 - 3:36:09)
sounded like you sneezed or something,

[Speaker 5] (3:36:09 - 3:36:09)
Woo!

[Speaker 4] (3:36:09 - 3:36:09)
but anyway.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:09 - 3:36:10)
I know it's six.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:10 - 3:36:29)
Um so I've I've I've was at their last meeting, I've spoken with their chair. Um yes I am um understanding that Mr Drummond has um uh chosen to resign um which opens up there's actually two vacancies. Um 'cause Terry Dance still had also um resigned.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:29 - 3:36:31)
Uh so what I

[Speaker 6] (3:36:31 - 3:36:32)
Well, who else has resigned?

[Speaker 5] (3:36:32 - 3:36:33)
Harry Densdale.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:33 - 3:36:33)
Harry Densdale?

[Speaker 3] (3:36:35 - 3:36:36)
Yeah. So

[Speaker 1] (3:36:36 - 3:36:37)
You stay with animation.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:37 - 3:36:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:36:38 - 3:36:38)
Oh, sorry.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:38 - 3:36:45)
So um i it what it ends up for whatever reason, so I'm I'm liaison to water and sewer,

[Speaker 3] (3:36:45 - 3:36:47)
um solid waste um

[Speaker 3] (3:36:48 - 3:37:05)
Climate action and a couple other ones but those three in particular have been fairly new and one of the challenges was that when we first instituted them, we the previous select board, you know they were three year, two year, one year so they had a revolving cycle.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:05 - 3:37:06)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:06 - 3:37:11)
Somewhere or another that got lost and there have been a number of people that have been like renewed for one

[Speaker 6] (3:37:11 - 3:37:11)
Oh

[Speaker 3] (3:37:11 - 3:37:11)
year.

[Speaker 6] (3:37:11 - 3:37:11)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:11 - 3:37:14)
So what I did and I submitted this

[Speaker 3] (3:37:13 - 3:37:19)
this to to Shannon and I and I copied Nick and Katie to you as well as chair just

[Speaker 1] (3:37:19 - 3:37:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:20 - 3:37:35)
the ability to re reconfigure is the wrong word reassociate everyone together so that there are roll-offs appropriate roll-offs so I'd like to amend

[Speaker 1] (3:37:35 - 3:37:35)
Amend.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:35 - 3:37:40)
yeah I think I'd like to amend based upon the list that I provided

[Speaker 3] (3:37:41 - 3:37:43)
Or we can take it

[Speaker 3] (3:37:44 - 3:37:46)
I don't want to necessarily drag it out to the next

[Speaker 3] (3:37:48 - 3:37:49)
select board meeting. I'd

[Speaker 1] (3:37:49 - 3:37:49)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:37:49 - 3:37:49)
like

[Speaker 1] (3:37:49 - 3:37:49)
no, just just

[Speaker 5] (3:37:49 - 3:37:50)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
tell let us the

[Speaker 5] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
them

[Speaker 6] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
expect

[Speaker 6] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
make the

[Speaker 5] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
the

[Speaker 6] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
the

[Speaker 1] (3:37:50 - 3:37:50)
agreement.

[Speaker 6] (3:37:50 - 3:37:51)
amendment,

[Speaker 5] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
any move

[Speaker 6] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
just

[Speaker 5] (3:37:51 - 3:37:51)
it.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:51 - 3:37:52)
Just make the amendment.

[Speaker 5] (3:37:52 - 3:37:52)
What do you want

[Speaker 3] (3:37:52 - 3:37:53)
So to would it be

[Speaker 1] (3:37:53 - 3:37:53)
embrace

[Speaker 3] (3:37:53 - 3:37:53)
easier just

[Speaker 1] (3:37:53 - 3:37:53)
the changes?

[Speaker 3] (3:37:53 - 3:37:55)
to propose the

[Speaker 7] (3:37:55 - 3:37:55)
Well, did you and

[Speaker 3] (3:37:55 - 3:37:56)
list?

[Speaker 1] (3:37:57 - 3:37:57)
You have them?

[Speaker 7] (3:37:57 - 3:37:58)
everybody wants a copy

[Speaker 1] (3:38:00 - 3:38:01)
Can you just read

[Speaker 5] (3:38:01 - 3:38:01)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:38:01 - 3:38:01)
it for which

[Speaker 5] (3:38:01 - 3:38:02)
no, just tell us.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:02 - 3:38:02)
for e

[Speaker 5] (3:38:02 - 3:38:02)
What

[Speaker 1] (3:38:02 - 3:38:04)
-rack is John gonna be a three-year term?

[Speaker 3] (3:38:04 - 3:38:09)
So yeah, we can take the e the easy ones first erac is super easy, right? So

[Speaker 5] (3:38:09 - 3:38:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:09 - 3:38:12)
He's gonna he's gonna be our select board appointee

[Speaker 5] (3:38:12 - 3:38:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:12 - 3:38:13)
John Picarello.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:13 - 3:38:13)
Yep

[Speaker 5] (3:38:13 - 3:38:14)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
Yes, correct

[Speaker 1] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
I'm on a three

[Speaker 3] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
correct

[Speaker 1] (3:38:14 - 3:38:15)
on a three-year term?

[Speaker 3] (3:38:15 - 3:38:16)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:38:16 - 3:38:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:16 - 3:38:16)
that's

[Speaker 1] (3:38:16 - 3:38:16)
great.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:16 - 3:38:17)
So that's accurate.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:18 - 3:38:21)
accurate historic district commission is

[Speaker 3] (3:38:22 - 3:38:24)
is accurate looking

[Speaker 1] (3:38:24 - 3:38:24)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:24 - 3:38:25)
at she's

[Speaker 4] (3:38:25 - 3:38:28)
Wait, can I just ask, does Sylvia Belkin still live in town?

[Speaker 3] (3:38:29 - 3:38:32)
considered an alternate and no she does not she's considered an alternate

[Speaker 4] (3:38:32 - 3:38:40)
And I ask that only because I know that that was something we focused on when we redid how we appoint people and we said that we had a preference for people that live in town.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:40 - 3:38:41)
Right yes

[Speaker 4] (3:38:41 - 3:38:42)
So, but that predated you,

[Speaker 4] (3:38:42 - 3:38:43)
so I didn't know if you knew that.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:44 - 3:38:47)
and I and I talked to Marcy at length

[Speaker 3] (3:38:47 - 3:38:50)
uh about the consideration. So right now we have

[Speaker 1] (3:38:50 - 3:38:52)
Okay, what about uh Board of Health?

[Speaker 3] (3:38:52 - 3:38:58)
Well let me let me just finish with historic district just to be sure. So Andrew uh and Ingrid? That's

[Speaker 1] (3:38:58 - 3:38:58)
Ingrid,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:58 - 3:38:59)
correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:59 - 3:39:00)
Ingrid, yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:00 - 3:39:01)
For a new three-year term,

[Speaker 1] (3:39:01 - 3:39:01)
And

[Speaker 3] (3:39:01 - 3:39:01)
so

[Speaker 1] (3:39:01 - 3:39:01)
then

[Speaker 3] (3:39:01 - 3:39:01)
that's

[Speaker 1] (3:39:01 - 3:39:01)
Sylvia.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:01 - 3:39:02)
correct as stated.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:04 - 3:39:05)
Sylvia's three years. So that you're good with that?

[Speaker 5] (3:39:06 - 3:39:07)
Do you want the table?

[Speaker 1] (3:39:07 - 3:39:07)
Wing?

[Speaker 5] (3:39:07 - 3:39:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:39:07 - 3:39:07)
To do

[Speaker 3] (3:39:07 - 3:39:09)
Uh yes, and Sylvia's three years as an alternate.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:10 - 3:39:11)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:11 - 3:39:11)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (3:39:11 - 3:39:11)
Which question?

[Speaker 1] (3:39:11 - 3:39:12)
so what

[Speaker 5] (3:39:12 - 3:39:13)
No, it's all good.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:15 - 3:39:16)
Okay, so

[Speaker 3] (3:39:16 - 3:39:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:16 - 3:39:17)
a c a climate action.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:17 - 3:39:19)
So climate action um

[Speaker 4] (3:39:19 - 3:39:21)
Where where is that one? Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:21 - 3:39:22)
Climate action, Suzanne Hale.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:22 - 3:39:22)
was

[Speaker 4] (3:39:22 - 3:39:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:22 - 3:39:25)
Was a wee bit interesting um Just just take tell it easy.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:25 - 3:39:28)
us what you want. We'll f uh we don't need I So mean

[Speaker 3] (3:39:28 - 3:39:29)
what I what

[Speaker 4] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
Right

[Speaker 3] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
to it.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:29 - 3:39:33)
what I what I did in the list was just reassigned everybody,

[Speaker 3] (3:39:34 - 3:39:35)
locked it in,

[Speaker 3] (3:39:36 - 3:39:39)
Starting with Martha, Suzanne and Jerry as

[Speaker 1] (3:39:39 - 3:39:44)
So the only appointments you have are Suzanne, Jerry, Richard

[Speaker 4] (3:39:44 - 3:39:44)
And Professor

[Speaker 1] (3:39:44 - 3:39:44)
and Professor

[Speaker 4] (3:39:44 - 3:39:45)
Stephen Young.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:45 - 3:39:47)
Steven Young. Those are the only three that are up for consideration right

[Speaker 4] (3:39:47 - 3:39:47)
For

[Speaker 1] (3:39:47 - 3:39:47)
now.

[Speaker 4] (3:39:47 - 3:39:48)
right now.

[Speaker 3] (3:39:49 - 3:39:53)
Yes, but I have different dates for all of them, and I'm resetting some of the other folks to

[Speaker 1] (3:39:53 - 3:39:53)
You can't

[Speaker 3] (3:39:53 - 3:39:54)
different reset dates.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:54 - 3:39:56)
the other ones yet because they're already midterm.

[Speaker 4] (3:39:56 - 3:39:56)
They're not up.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:56 - 3:39:56)
They're

[Speaker 4] (3:39:56 - 3:39:56)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:56 - 3:39:57)
not up.

[Speaker 4] (3:39:57 - 3:39:57)
You're only

[Speaker 1] (3:39:57 - 3:39:57)
So you

[Speaker 4] (3:39:57 - 3:39:57)
looking

[Speaker 1] (3:39:57 - 3:39:58)
can only

[Speaker 4] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
at the

[Speaker 1] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
reset

[Speaker 4] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
ones for the June

[Speaker 1] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
four that

[Speaker 4] (3:39:58 - 3:39:59)
20,

[Speaker 1] (3:39:59 - 3:39:59)
you have on your

[Speaker 4] (3:39:59 - 3:39:59)
so.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:59 - 3:40:00)
list here.

[Speaker 6] (3:40:01 - 3:40:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:01 - 3:40:03)
Oh, that's why I pulled my computer out, because he didn't have it print out.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:04 - 3:40:06)
So if you look at

[Speaker 1] (3:40:06 - 3:40:08)
So if you wanna read

[Speaker 3] (3:40:08 - 3:40:09)
You look at the bottom left, right?

[Speaker 4] (3:40:17 - 3:40:18)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:18 - 3:40:20)
The ones that are expiring now.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:20 - 3:40:20)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:20 - 3:40:21)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:21 - 3:40:21)
Right. So

[Speaker 3] (3:40:21 - 3:40:22)
Okay, we're not allowed to reset?

[Speaker 4] (3:40:22 - 3:40:23)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:23 - 3:40:23)
As

[Speaker 7] (3:40:23 - 3:40:23)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:40:23 - 3:40:23)
a pedic?

[Speaker 7] (3:40:23 - 3:40:25)
because you've already given we've already given

[Speaker 4] (3:40:25 - 3:40:25)
We've

[Speaker 7] (3:40:25 - 3:40:25)
them a

[Speaker 4] (3:40:25 - 3:40:25)
already

[Speaker 7] (3:40:25 - 3:40:25)
term.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:25 - 3:40:25)
reappointed

[Speaker 7] (3:40:25 - 3:40:26)
It wouldn't be fair

[Speaker 4] (3:40:26 - 3:40:26)
him.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:26 - 3:40:27)
to take term away.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:27 - 3:40:27)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:27 - 3:40:28)
If no one's taking the term

[Speaker 7] (3:40:28 - 3:40:29)
Nick

[Speaker 3] (3:40:29 - 3:40:29)
away,

[Speaker 7] (3:40:29 - 3:40:29)
wants to we talk.

[Speaker 3] (3:40:29 - 3:40:29)
reset it.

[Speaker 9] (3:40:29 - 3:40:36)
Can I I we could put this on the consent and give it to you printed for July 7th so that you can all review it.

[Speaker 9] (3:40:36 - 3:40:39)
It's it's only seven days into the expired terms

[Speaker 4] (3:40:39 - 3:40:40)
I think it makes

[Speaker 9] (3:40:40 - 3:40:41)
we'll be able to address it in that way.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:42 - 3:40:42)
And I think

[Speaker 9] (3:40:42 - 3:40:42)
If

[Speaker 4] (3:40:42 - 3:40:42)
it makes

[Speaker 9] (3:40:42 - 3:40:43)
you all

[Speaker 4] (3:40:43 - 3:40:43)
it

[Speaker 9] (3:40:43 - 3:40:43)
see

[Speaker 4] (3:40:43 - 3:40:43)
a lot it, more we clear.

[Speaker 9] (3:40:43 - 3:40:45)
got this recently. So if you all see it.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
Like

[Speaker 3] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
We've

[Speaker 7] (3:40:47 - 3:40:50)
can we can we approve all the other ones outside of Wayne's then because

[Speaker 4] (3:40:50 - 3:40:56)
Right. I think we need to, but giving Wayne and Ted a little grace because they don't know this process.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:56 - 3:41:01)
So I think it's valid to have the conversation so they understand what they can and can't Okay, do.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:01 - 3:41:04)
so why don't we just remove climate action from the list

[Speaker 4] (3:41:04 - 3:41:05)
So

[Speaker 7] (3:41:05 - 3:41:05)
so

[Speaker 4] (3:41:05 - 3:41:05)
are you clear

[Speaker 7] (3:41:05 - 3:41:05)
you

[Speaker 4] (3:41:05 - 3:41:05)
now

[Speaker 7] (3:41:05 - 3:41:05)
can

[Speaker 4] (3:41:05 - 3:41:08)
that you're just looking at ones that are expiring now,

[Speaker 4] (3:41:08 - 3:41:08)
right?

[Speaker 4] (3:41:09 - 3:41:10)
June 2026 and you can't move

[Speaker 3] (3:41:10 - 3:41:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:10 - 3:41:11)
out of the others.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:11 - 3:41:15)
Yeah, and that was a little confusing as well because it wasn't clear

[Speaker 4] (3:41:15 - 3:41:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:15 - 3:41:17)
at the time until like now.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:18 - 3:41:18)
Totally.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:19 - 3:41:19)
Because

[Speaker 4] (3:41:19 - 3:41:19)
I see that.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:19 - 3:41:21)
we had to look through the old notes to understand who,

[Speaker 3] (3:41:21 - 3:41:22)
who and

[Speaker 4] (3:41:22 - 3:41:22)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:22 - 3:41:24)
make sure we had the list of who's expiring.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:24 - 3:41:24)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:24 - 3:41:25)
Oh

[Speaker 3] (3:41:25 - 3:41:25)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (3:41:25 - 3:41:25)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:25 - 3:41:26)
we can certainly re-

[Speaker 7] (3:41:27 - 3:41:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:27 - 3:41:27)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:27 - 3:41:32)
So we'll take climate action off for now from the consent agenda and we'll revisit that on the seventh.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:33 - 3:41:35)
Are you, where else are you proposing change?

[Speaker 4] (3:41:36 - 3:41:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:41:36 - 3:41:36)
Are

[Speaker 4] (3:41:36 - 3:41:37)
one other one?

[Speaker 1] (3:41:37 - 3:41:38)
you solid waste advisory still?

[Speaker 3] (3:41:38 - 3:41:39)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:41:39 - 3:41:39)
I didn't take that.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:39 - 3:41:40)
Solid waste.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:40 - 3:41:42)
Solid waste. Do you want to change or those are good?

[Speaker 3] (3:41:43 - 3:41:44)
Those

[Speaker 4] (3:41:44 - 3:41:44)
I would keep it.

[Speaker 3] (3:41:46 - 3:41:47)
Those are,

[Speaker 3] (3:41:47 - 3:41:47)
and

[Speaker 1] (3:41:47 - 3:41:49)
Solid waste.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:49 - 3:41:54)
If I may, I would say full only because you changed Emily and she's the chair.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:54 - 3:41:56)
Okay, so she was she

[Speaker 3] (3:41:56 - 3:41:57)
I have a vacant seat.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:57 - 3:41:58)
Correct.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:58 - 3:41:59)
So I would just suggest.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:00 - 3:42:01)
Holding

[Speaker 7] (3:42:01 - 3:42:06)
that. Holding them. So we'll so you can meet with Shannon on what you'd like to do for solid waste also we'll remove solid

[Speaker 4] (3:42:06 - 3:42:06)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (3:42:06 - 3:42:06)
waste from

[Speaker 4] (3:42:06 - 3:42:06)
so

[Speaker 7] (3:42:06 - 3:42:06)
this.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:06 - 3:42:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:06 - 3:42:07)
remove that one.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:08 - 3:42:08)
So

[Speaker 7] (3:42:09 - 3:42:11)
What else do you have? You the have

[Speaker 9] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11)
Water

[Speaker 4] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11)
other

[Speaker 7] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11)
the

[Speaker 9] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11)
and

[Speaker 4] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11)
ones.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11)
sewer.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:11 - 3:42:12)
Iraq, and

[Speaker 4] (3:42:12 - 3:42:13)
Right, so water and sewer.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:13 - 3:42:14)
the historic district and you have

[Speaker 4] (3:42:14 - 3:42:16)
Your actual members,

[Speaker 3] (3:42:16 - 3:42:17)
This is different.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:17 - 3:42:18)
are they all existing? Or are they

[Speaker 7] (3:42:18 - 3:42:22)
No, there's four alternates. Those don't exist. So they're those are being appointed.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:22 - 3:42:25)
I'm not talking about the alternates, I'm talking about the actual members.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:25 - 3:42:27)
Are those all existing or any of the new appointments?

[Speaker 3] (3:42:28 - 3:42:29)
There are yes,

[Speaker 4] (3:42:29 - 3:42:31)
Ralph Supa has always been on?

[Speaker 7] (3:42:31 - 3:42:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:32 - 3:42:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:32 - 3:42:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:32 - 3:42:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (3:42:33 - 3:42:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:33 - 3:42:34)
Charlie has been on.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:34 - 3:42:35)
Scott Morello.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:35 - 3:42:36)
Vindesh uh Chirag

[Speaker 4] (3:42:36 - 3:42:36)
Vendesha was

[Speaker 1] (3:42:36 - 3:42:36)
has

[Speaker 4] (3:42:36 - 3:42:37)
just

[Speaker 1] (3:42:37 - 3:42:37)
been

[Speaker 4] (3:42:37 - 3:42:37)
put

[Speaker 1] (3:42:37 - 3:42:37)
on.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:37 - 3:42:37)
on, right?

[Speaker 1] (3:42:37 - 3:42:38)
He's just put on.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:39 - 3:42:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:40 - 3:42:40)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:42:40 - 3:42:40)
Awesome.

[Speaker 12] (3:42:40 - 3:42:42)
would just pull that on the guess he was changing

[Speaker 7] (3:42:42 - 3:42:43)
two of the positions.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:43 - 3:42:45)
Wait, so then Andrea is a member

[Speaker 1] (3:42:45 - 3:42:45)
Just

[Speaker 4] (3:42:45 - 3:42:45)
or

[Speaker 1] (3:42:45 - 3:42:45)
put her

[Speaker 4] (3:42:45 - 3:42:46)
an alternate?

[Speaker 1] (3:42:46 - 3:42:47)
no, she's an alternate.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:47 - 3:42:47)
I was looking

[Speaker 4] (3:42:47 - 3:42:47)
But

[Speaker 3] (3:42:47 - 3:42:47)
to

[Speaker 4] (3:42:47 - 3:42:47)
not

[Speaker 3] (3:42:47 - 3:42:48)
promote

[Speaker 4] (3:42:48 - 3:42:48)
on this

[Speaker 3] (3:42:48 - 3:42:48)
her

[Speaker 4] (3:42:48 - 3:42:48)
one.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:48 - 3:42:48)
to

[Speaker 4] (3:42:48 - 3:42:48)
She's

[Speaker 3] (3:42:48 - 3:42:48)
the

[Speaker 4] (3:42:48 - 3:42:49)
a she's

[Speaker 3] (3:42:49 - 3:42:49)
member

[Speaker 4] (3:42:49 - 3:42:50)
a she's a regular member.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:50 - 3:42:50)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (3:42:50 - 3:42:50)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:50 - 3:42:52)
let's pull water sewer from this.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:53 - 3:42:54)
We're pulling water.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:54 - 3:42:55)
So we're pulling solid waste advisory.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:56 - 3:42:56)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (3:42:56 - 3:42:56)
We'll

[Speaker 4] (3:42:56 - 3:42:56)
pull

[Speaker 7] (3:42:56 - 3:42:56)
keep

[Speaker 4] (3:42:56 - 3:42:56)
this.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:56 - 3:42:57)
the climate action.

[Speaker 3] (3:42:57 - 3:42:58)
consent, yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:58 - 3:43:00)
Okay, we're pulling those

[Speaker 4] (3:43:00 - 3:43:00)
That's

[Speaker 7] (3:43:00 - 3:43:00)
three.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:00 - 3:43:01)
the difference.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:01 - 3:43:02)
Wayne will report back on them.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:02 - 3:43:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:02 - 3:43:04)
Everything else is fine.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:05 - 3:43:07)
So I will just say in Shannon's defense,

[Speaker 7] (3:43:07 - 3:43:14)
the documentation that was kept for this was difficult to understand and interpret.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:14 - 3:43:14)
Yes. Absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:14 - 3:43:18)
Shannon is putting it in a form where she understands and interprets it correctly now.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:19 - 3:43:20)
We will not have this issue going forward.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:20 - 3:43:21)
And you've done a great job

[Speaker 3] (3:43:21 - 3:43:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:43:21 - 3:43:22)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
because

[Speaker 3] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
you.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
you,

[Speaker 4] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
it's

[Speaker 7] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
Shannon, for slogging

[Speaker 4] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
a marvelous

[Speaker 3] (3:43:22 - 3:43:23)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:23 - 3:43:23)
through it all.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:23 - 3:43:23)
task.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:23 - 3:43:24)
ask

[Speaker 9] (3:43:24 - 3:43:24)
I'm slugging

[Speaker 3] (3:43:24 - 3:43:24)
first.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:24 - 3:43:24)
what I

[Speaker 9] (3:43:24 - 3:43:25)
through this.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:25 - 3:43:33)
would ask in response to Mary Ellen's question is that when we do this going forward for the consent agenda, if you could just put the years served,

[Speaker 12] (3:43:33 - 3:43:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:33 - 3:43:37)
that way we can make thoughtful decisions on if somebody's been on a board for a long time,

[Speaker 13] (3:43:37 - 3:43:38)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:38 - 3:43:42)
if that provides a benefit or is a detriment because it's a long wait list of people who want to get on that board,

[Speaker 1] (3:43:42 - 3:43:43)
we can have a more robust

[Speaker 13] (3:43:43 - 3:43:43)
Well

[Speaker 1] (3:43:43 - 3:43:43)
conversation.

[Speaker 13] (3:43:43 - 3:43:48)
the problem is if somebody's on four boards and you have people who want to just serve on one

[Speaker 13] (3:43:48 - 3:43:49)
You know

[Speaker 7] (3:43:49 - 3:44:00)
Yeah, and I don't disagree with you, but also maybe they'd be willing to give a different board up over this, and so maybe that's a question we can communicate prior to just making that decision on our own. Okay, so

[Speaker 9] (3:44:00 - 3:44:01)
And so I will just make

[Speaker 4] (3:44:01 - 3:44:03)
we really have difficult time getting anybody to.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:04 - 3:44:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:44:04 - 3:44:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:04 - 3:44:08)
I will just make one comment that I've reiterated by email to you, Nick and Katie.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:08 - 3:44:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:08 - 3:44:09)
We have

[Speaker 9] (3:44:09 - 3:44:14)
alternates for every board here that it's authorized by statute according to Mass General Law.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:14 - 3:44:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:14 - 3:44:18)
And then we have alternates for one that we decided to wake up one day and just, you

[Speaker 7] (3:44:18 - 3:44:18)
Alternates,

[Speaker 3] (3:44:18 - 3:44:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:18 - 3:44:18)
know, because we wanted alternates.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:18 - 3:44:19)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:19 - 3:44:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 13] (3:44:19 - 3:44:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:19 - 3:44:20)
It doesn't make any sense

[Speaker 4] (3:44:20 - 3:44:20)
It

[Speaker 9] (3:44:20 - 3:44:20)
to me.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:20 - 3:44:21)
doesn't at all.

[Speaker 13] (3:44:21 - 3:44:24)
Here's the deal, because we had so many people that were interested,

[Speaker 13] (3:44:24 - 3:44:27)
and in order to encompass and try to keep people interested,

[Speaker 3] (3:44:27 - 3:44:27)
Sure.

[Speaker 13] (3:44:27 - 3:44:36)
we did it, and it actually worked out fine, because when they were having meetings and people couldn't make the meetings, you had an alternate that jumped in and you still were able to have them.

[Speaker 13] (3:44:36 - 3:44:38)
to have a quorum and get stuff done.

[Speaker 13] (3:44:38 - 3:44:40)
So that that actually benefited that group.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:40 - 3:44:42)
And originally in its infancy,

[Speaker 7] (3:44:42 - 3:44:49)
it was a lot of work because they had to create a whole scope and they had to they took on a lot of different topics and they did a lot of work initially.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:49 - 3:44:49)
So,

[Speaker 4] (3:44:49 - 3:44:50)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (3:44:50 - 3:44:50)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:50 - 3:44:54)
but we want to make sure we're being consistent across the board too and not giving special

[Speaker 4] (3:44:55 - 3:44:58)
Swift. Special situations to certain boards, right. I mean every if

[Speaker 13] (3:44:58 - 3:44:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:59 - 3:44:59)
i

[Speaker 4] (3:44:59 - 3:44:59)
i

[Speaker 9] (3:44:59 - 3:45:00)
only bring it up y yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:00 - 3:45:03)
Recreation has no alternates for example, right. Like

[Speaker 9] (3:45:03 - 3:45:04)
And harbour

[Speaker 4] (3:45:04 - 3:45:04)
waterfront sorry.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:04 - 3:45:05)
could have benefited from alternates.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:05 - 3:45:06)
From alternates, right.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:06 - 3:45:10)
But also we had a lot of people who were all interested and it was a, you know, a food fight getting people on

[Speaker 13] (3:45:10 - 3:45:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:10 - 3:45:12)
there. So I only bring it up because it's just

[Speaker 13] (3:45:12 - 3:45:12)
Yeah, no, that's fair.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:12 - 3:45:13)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:45:13 - 3:45:13)
These

[Speaker 4] (3:45:13 - 3:45:13)
were be consistent.

[Speaker 3] (3:45:13 - 3:45:18)
newer committees, I think as a result there were there were new ideas that came about and

[Speaker 4] (3:45:19 - 3:45:19)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:45:20 - 3:45:21)
You know,

[Speaker 1] (3:45:21 - 3:45:21)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (3:45:21 - 3:45:21)
you know,

[Speaker 1] (3:45:21 - 3:45:21)
so the

[Speaker 3] (3:45:21 - 3:45:21)
but

[Speaker 1] (3:45:21 - 3:45:22)
consent

[Speaker 9] (3:45:22 - 3:45:22)
you're right.

[Speaker 3] (3:45:22 - 3:45:22)
but

[Speaker 9] (3:45:22 - 3:45:22)
I made

[Speaker 3] (3:45:22 - 3:45:22)
not.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:22 - 3:45:23)
my comment I just wanted

[Speaker 4] (3:45:23 - 3:45:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (3:45:23 - 3:45:24)
to put

[Speaker 4] (3:45:24 - 3:45:24)
no,

[Speaker 9] (3:45:24 - 3:45:24)
it

[Speaker 4] (3:45:24 - 3:45:24)
I out agree.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:24 - 3:45:24)
for

[Speaker 4] (3:45:24 - 3:45:25)
I agree.

[Speaker 12] (3:45:26 - 3:45:26)
And if

[Speaker 3] (3:45:26 - 3:45:26)
good

[Speaker 12] (3:45:26 - 3:45:27)
I may,

[Speaker 3] (3:45:27 - 3:45:27)
of the order.

[Speaker 12] (3:45:27 - 3:45:32)
we're going to advertise in the July newsletter as well for any

[Speaker 4] (3:45:32 - 3:45:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (3:45:32 - 3:45:33)
physicians that are opening.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:33 - 3:45:34)
Thank you. And the link now works

[Speaker 4] (3:45:34 - 3:45:34)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:34 - 3:45:35)
on the website.

[Speaker 12] (3:45:35 - 3:45:38)
Link is up. I'll keep doing it on Facebook and social media.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:38 - 3:45:39)
Oh yeah, it's been I've seen

[Speaker 7] (3:45:39 - 3:45:39)
Maybe

[Speaker 4] (3:45:39 - 3:45:39)
it.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:39 - 3:45:39)
the item

[Speaker 4] (3:45:39 - 3:45:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:39 - 3:45:43)
can write an article. I think I already saw one in the patch that we were looking

[Speaker 4] (3:45:43 - 3:45:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:45:43 - 3:45:43)
for volunteers.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:43 - 3:45:46)
I mean it's everywhere. It's just we can't get people to do it really.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:46 - 3:45:47)
Does Aaron write for the patch now?

[Speaker 1] (3:45:48 - 3:45:49)
I said item first,

[Speaker 3] (3:45:49 - 3:45:50)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
Ted.

[Speaker 3] (3:45:50 - 3:45:51)
boy.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:52 - 3:45:56)
It's 1015, I'd like to go to bed. Can I get a motion to approve the

[Speaker 13] (3:45:56 - 3:45:56)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:56 - 3:45:57)
appointments?

[Speaker 3] (3:45:57 - 3:45:58)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:58 - 3:46:00)
Minus car rack, minus

[Speaker 13] (3:46:00 - 3:46:00)
Whatever

[Speaker 1] (3:46:00 - 3:46:00)
solid

[Speaker 13] (3:46:00 - 3:46:01)
the act Wayne.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:01 - 3:46:02)
waste, solid waste, and water

[Speaker 3] (3:46:02 - 3:46:02)
Shweezyak.

[Speaker 13] (3:46:02 - 3:46:03)
Sorry, water.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:03 - 3:46:03)
moves

[Speaker 3] (3:46:03 - 3:46:03)
Shweezyak.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:03 - 3:46:04)
second.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:04 - 3:46:05)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (3:46:05 - 3:46:06)
Aye.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:06 - 3:46:06)
Aye.

[Speaker 13] (3:46:06 - 3:46:06)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:06 - 3:46:06)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:07 - 3:46:11)
I would like the board to consider tabling the select board reports since it is time for

[Speaker 13] (3:46:11 - 3:46:12)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
public comment.

[Speaker 13] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
moved.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:12 - 3:46:12)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:12 - 3:46:14)
And we move to adjournment.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:14 - 3:46:15)
Adjournment. So moved.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:15 - 3:46:15)
So moved.

[Speaker 13] (3:46:15 - 3:46:16)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:16 - 3:46:17)
Second.

[Speaker 13] (3:46:17 - 3:46:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:17 - 3:46:18)
Second aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:18 - 3:46:18)
All aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:46:18 - 3:46:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:19 - 3:46:19)
Whatever.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:20 - 3:46:21)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:21 - 3:46:23)
Sorry that I called you from the