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Thank you. Good evening.

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Calling to order the Swampscott Select Board,

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July 7th, regular session.

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This meeting is being recorded.

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I'm hearing feedback.

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Do you hear that?

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Okay, you're good now.

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Can we please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance?

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And we have the Boy Scouts here.

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Yeah.

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Did you want to come over there?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay,

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we will begin with the town administrator's report,

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Mr.

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Connors.

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Good evening.

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Can everyone hear me okay?

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Okay.

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I have a brief update and then I'm happy to take any questions.

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I wanted to start with the 3rd of July celebration and event.

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I want to begin by thanking the whole team that put it together.

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It's obviously a huge undertaking and it was a great night for the community.

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It takes months of planning,

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long days of hard work and many people across town departments all working together to make this work.

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A ton of people contributed,

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but I just wanted to call out specifically.

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Three in particular,

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it's Steve Luck at the Police Department who leads the emergency planning and response if necessary,

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and then Charlotte and Christine at Recreation who also put a ton of time into it. They are not the only ones.

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DPW,

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almost everyone participates at some point throughout the day, either in planning, cleanup, or in assisting public safety.

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There's so many different folks that worked hard, but I did want to call them out specifically.

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I wanted to give an update on Anchor Food Pantry. I know it's something that members have asked about.

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We have a signed occupancy and use agreement executed by both we and Anchor Food Pantry.

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It continues on with the same usage. They're carrying insurance,

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contributing to utilities,

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and it's a huge community benefit.

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So we're really excited that we're going to be continuing in the same location and continuing to support their.

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their service to the community.

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I wanted to give a brief update on the transitional audit as it was called by the town meeting of May of 25.

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This is something that there was money set aside for and as I sort of came into the role and Patrick and I both came into the roles that we are now in,

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we engaged with CLA to complete that work.

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They delivered that at the end of June so at the next meeting we'll give a brief update and we'll also share

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Both the update and the actual audit itself with town meeting members via email and posted on the town website.

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That was for water, sewer,

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and recreation is what we ended up focusing on.

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It is not a full audit.

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It is something where we're looking at transactions and best practices and making sure that going forward with this opportunity.

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With the change in administration,

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change in headed recreation,

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we're just doing the best we can and sort of all the best practices and best business practices are being used.

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On the HR front,

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I want to give a couple of personnel updates.

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First,

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I'm happy to welcome our new customer service supervisor,

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Erica McCabe.

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She started on Monday.

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Erica joins us from the city of Salem where she was the principal account clerk.

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We're thrilled to have her on the team.

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We also had today the first day for Janelle Espinosa Garcia who's joining us as a summer local finance fellow with the Commonwealth Fellow Program.

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Okay.

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He spent a few weeks working with DoR and DLS to get up to speed and now spends the rest of the summer with us. This is a program that works with fellows from across the country.

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across the state that are enrolled at both state and community colleges that want to get into a future in municipal finance.

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It's a really significant help for us because it is someone that is trained,

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knows where to find things on DLS and DOR,

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and can support both Liam and Patrick throughout the summer,

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so we're excited to have him.

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And again,

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we welcome him today.

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I want to highlight something else that came up on the third,

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which was...

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It was parking at Hawthorne, just so folks know that we have been in continuing conversations with the new tenant,

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the Swampscot Center for the Performing Arts.

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They had posted, I believe, on the second or third, but were...

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engaging in it on the third with a paid parking program which is something that both by our agreement and by zoning is not an acceptable use of the property.

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I had several conversations with the tenant.

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He understood where we were coming from.

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He's looking for every opportunity he can to figure out a way to both support circulation and uses of the property that support other businesses in ways that can support their efforts.

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But I did sort of walk through.

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So where in our agreement and in zoning that commercial parking use is not an acceptable use right now.

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So we'll continue the conversation to look for creative ways to support their efforts,

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but we know that this is one that won't work very well for us.

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Um,

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finally I have another thank you for the Strawberry Festival and Parade. Obviously the festival itself was great.

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There were so many volunteers,

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vendors, and even a World Cup game that happened to be happening at the same time.

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So it was a great crowd and a great turnout.

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Um,

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I want to single out Janelle Cameron though.

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Janelle's put time into this over decades,

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uh,

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in supporting and growing that parade and making sure that every year it's something that's really successful.

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as well for the community.

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As anyone who was there knows,

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she was the Grand Marshal and she was letting everyone know it was her last parade organizing.

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So we've been really fortunate to have her. We'll obviously be looking for other volunteers to together sort of fill in that role and help us make sure that we can continue to be successful.

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But I thought it was really important to recognize her specifically in the years of service that she had put into that.

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And with that, I'm happy to take any questions you all may have as well.

[Speaker 1] (7:59 - 7:59)
Really?

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I'm glad you said that about Janelle Cameron.

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So Janelle Cameron really sets the standard in this town for volunteering and volunteering with a smile.

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Like, that woman works,

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she just sets the bar.

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At times when I don't want to volunteer and I don't want to get out of bed, I think Janelle Cameron's not staying at home, so it makes you just get out there and I hope a lot of people will just follow in her footsteps or even a quarter of her footsteps. So I really appreciate Janelle and I appreciate you saying that.

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On the audit,

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the audit that's coming out, did that audit also include procurement?

[Speaker 3] (8:37 - 8:42)
It was procurement within water sewer was sort of there were a handful of transactions that they looked at.

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So that'll be part of the presentation.

[Speaker 1] (8:43 - 8:44)
Okay. So that'll be out when

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Yeah.

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we see that.

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On the Anchor Food,

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I did have some questions on the Anchor Food Pantry lease,

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and I'd like to see if we can get a request that they have more hours open,

[Speaker 3] (8:55 - 8:56)
OK.

[Speaker 1] (8:56 - 9:00)
if that's a possibility, and if it's an issue with volunteers.

[Speaker 1] (9:02 - 9:19)
Wouldn't call Janelle? Or, uh, because Janelle's not going to be doing the parade. So, but if we can get more hours in there, I think they only have two days. And the other question I have is, uh it's my understanding at Anchor Food Pantry we also support Nahant in this endeavour.

[Speaker 1] (9:20 - 9:25)
Yet Nahant doesn't put any financial bones into this um

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into what we do here and it's the Swamscott citizens that are financing the property financing the capital costs and I think partially financing electricity or utilities if that's the case and I think and if we're going to be servicing other communities other communities really need to step up

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put some dollars into it too.

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So whatever it's going to take to get something from Nahant, I'd really like to encourage that.

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I do support signing the lease.

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I just would like

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Yeah

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to get a couple other benefits in here.

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And then you brought

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Last Sunday I happened to meet a new firefighter, Ben Rossman, and it occurred to me that in probably in the last 10 months we haven't had a new firefighter or a new police officer come in and get sworn in. We haven't had retirement and I would really like to make sure that we get back into that routine because I think we're a small community,

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try to stay a small community.

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And I think it's important that people get to recognize, have an opportunity to recognize these people that are coming on board and just take a second to have a face to a name Yeah. and so we used to always swear them in right here and so I would like to get that going again.

[Speaker 3] (10:43 - 10:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (10:44 - 10:52)
Okay, and the retirement, we had a retirement I learned at the retirement meeting we had a retirement from the fire department, I think it was a

[Speaker 1] (10:54 - 11:03)
captain or lieutenant that serve for 20 years and I think this is a great environment to say thank you publicly so if we could get those type of

[Speaker 4] (11:03 - 11:03)
Yeah,

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things going I'd appreciate that

[Speaker 4] (11:04 - 11:05)
absolutely.

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and that's it

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Thank you.

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Wayne, did you have any comments?

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Uh, I second your comments about um Janelle. Um,

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she is uh an absolute

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Jem for the amount of hours and time that she has put into this uh community volunteering. I'm I've known her for twenty five years and um never a time that she doesn't do it with a smile on

[Speaker 1] (11:26 - 11:27)
her face, Right.

[Speaker 6] (11:27 - 11:38)
and um really it's um sad to see her wind down in this role, but um uh she sets she she raises the bar every time.

[Speaker 6] (11:38 - 11:43)
I did have a question for you, Nick, about Cedar Hill.

[Speaker 6] (11:44 - 11:53)
There's been inquiries from the neighbours about wanting a public hearing. Um and as well I just is there any

[Speaker 6] (11:54 - 12:04)
uh update that you have? I know last time we talked about a meeting with the uh the dealership. Um do we have any other plans for

[Speaker 6] (12:04 - 12:08)
Talking about what the parking situation should be.

[Speaker 7] (12:09 - 12:11)
So the last time that they came before the board,

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I think there was concern further up the street,

[Speaker 6] (12:15 - 12:15)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (12:15 - 12:27)
and is it Bay View that's also up there that we would basically be squeezing users further away from Humphrey, and we wanted to see how the circulation improved with the hash.

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uh white lines at the bottom

[Speaker 6] (12:30 - 12:30)
Mm

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and

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-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (12:30 - 12:53)
on the corner of Humphrey have the have the discussion with the four seasons to make sure that they were sticking to the number of parking spots that they have which are all meant to be there's a parking plan that was part of the um CBA decision on them um we reminded them that they were thankful that we're having a discussion because they said in the past town administration not elected officials but town administration had not been receptive to having any conversation with them

[Speaker 6] (12:54 - 12:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (12:54 - 12:54)
Um,

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so I think the next step would be to understand, and I think I got the same email that you did, that there's sort of a suggested plan for parking.

[Speaker 7] (13:03 - 13:03)
Uh,

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it would be a question about whether or not it's too similar to what had been proposed by Captain Cable,

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which, you know, again,

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maybe even further up on Cedar Hill, there was a concern that it would just push parking.

[Speaker 7] (13:17 - 13:34)
As opposed to trying to solve the issue, what we did to try to solve the issue was improve circulation at the bottom. I don't want to say that Gino's guys have definitely done the vegetation management, but they were supposed to, and so I'll check in with Gino on that to make sure that the non-residential side was also cleared a little bit to improve the amount of space in the

[Speaker 6] (13:34 - 13:34)
Right.

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sightlines.

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So so when we when we originally met once in a month like a month and a half ago,

[Speaker 6] (13:39 - 13:42)
when we originally started talking about the plan.

[Speaker 6] (13:43 - 14:00)
I believe the residents really wanted to have an interactive discussion with the select board and I'd like to at least give them that opportunity. So if as acting chair Danielle or as town administrator, if we could set up a public hearing so that we can have an open conversation about that,

[Speaker 6] (14:00 - 14:02)
I think the residents in that area would appreciate it.

[Speaker 7] (14:02 - 14:02)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (14:02 - 14:04)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (14:05 - 14:06)
Did you have anything else, man?

[Speaker 6] (14:06 - 14:07)
No, that's it.

[Speaker 5] (14:07 - 14:08)
Tab?

[Speaker 6] (14:08 - 14:14)
Just to carry off of that point, I think in in you had mentioned the parking um

[Speaker 6] (14:16 - 14:30)
issue at the Hawthorne. Um during that initial meeting about Cedar Hill Terrace, I know we had discussed parking enforcement on and along Humphrey Street throughout the entire strip and enforcing along some of the ancillary streets and it will be talking about Ingalls Terrace at some point later this evening.

[Speaker 1] (14:30 - 14:30)
Yep.

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Cedar Hill is one of them. I would just put a

[Speaker 6] (14:35 - 14:42)
request that we have a understanding of how parking enforcement is managed, I guess.

[Speaker 6] (14:43 - 14:44)
I know you've provided

[Speaker 1] (14:44 - 14:44)
Or not.

[Speaker 6] (14:44 - 14:45)
some some numbers.

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What's that?

[Speaker 1] (14:46 - 14:47)
Or not managed.

[Speaker 6] (14:48 - 14:59)
Well, I know you've provided some numbers, but having an understanding of how it's how it's being managed and and so we can have a comprehensive conversation about that because I know there are businesses who were

[Speaker 6] (14:59 - 15:24)
hoping to be able to use the Hawthorne lot and obviously you know things have happened so they're not able to to some degree but we're gonna have I think we're gonna continue to have parking issues Ingalls Terrace I'm sure we'll hear from residents parking issues that they're having you know we've had the dentist who owns an office near the area have his parking issues so I think we just owe it to ourselves to have a better understanding of how we're administering parking enforcement all along Humphrey Street

[Speaker 7] (15:25 - 15:29)
I think it might be useful to have the chief and

[Speaker 5] (15:29 - 15:29)
I

[Speaker 7] (15:29 - 15:29)
Captain

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was just...

[Speaker 7] (15:29 - 15:30)
Cable there for

[Speaker 1] (15:30 - 15:30)
For

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the same

[Speaker 1] (15:30 - 15:30)
this.

[Speaker 7] (15:30 - 15:30)
evening,

[Speaker 1] (15:30 - 15:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (15:31 - 15:33)
if not participating directly in the discussion about

[Speaker 6] (15:33 - 15:34)
Agreed.

[Speaker 7] (15:34 - 15:40)
Cedar Hill so it's not parking only meeting but it's certainly parking heavy and we have the right folks in the room.

[Speaker 6] (15:40 - 15:42)
Yeah, and I would just encourage the conversation.

[Speaker 6] (15:42 - 15:49)
Obviously Cedar Hill is an important part of the conversation, but town-wide, especially on and along Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 6] (15:49 - 15:52)
is going to be important. We're going to continue hearing about it until we...

[Speaker 6] (15:53 - 16:01)
Get proactive about how we're going to help solve that issue. The town had a I believe it was MAPC or Kleinfelder conducted a parking study

[Speaker 5] (16:01 - 16:01)
Study.

[Speaker 6] (16:01 - 16:17)
of four Humphrey Street in 2017 I want to say that Marcy's office worked to administer and I don't think the town has enacted on any of the recommendations that that study provided in the years since we've had it so it might be worth dusting it off and having it

[Speaker 6] (16:17 - 16:18)
Having that be part of the conversation.

[Speaker 7] (16:19 - 16:20)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (16:21 - 16:22)
Did you have anything else, Jeff,

[Speaker 5] (16:22 - 16:24)
for the town

[Speaker 6] (16:24 - 16:24)
Just

[Speaker 5] (16:24 - 16:24)
administrator

[Speaker 6] (16:24 - 16:24)
to thank

[Speaker 5] (16:24 - 16:25)
report?

[Speaker 6] (16:25 - 16:27)
Janelle, like my colleagues here,

[Speaker 6] (16:27 - 16:31)
and Charlotte in the rec department,

[Speaker 6] (16:31 - 16:33)
not only for the third and for the Starbury festival,

[Speaker 6] (16:34 - 16:38)
but I scroll on Reddit before bed.

[Speaker 6] (16:38 - 16:39)
That's how I like, you know.

[Speaker 8] (16:40 - 16:47)
clear my mind. And everywhere on Reddit is giving Slum Scott tons of praise for the World Cup games on the lawn. It's like everywhere.

[Speaker 8] (16:47 - 16:48)
It's awesome. It's really cool.

[Speaker 5] (16:48 - 16:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (16:48 - 16:53)
We ha we actually got an email that came in to Shannon this week from two gentlemen from Scotland.

[Speaker 1] (16:54 - 16:54)
Mm

[Speaker 7] (16:54 - 16:54)
That

[Speaker 1] (16:54 - 16:54)
-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (16:54 - 16:55)
stayed here?

[Speaker 8] (16:55 - 16:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (16:56 - 16:58)
Mm-hmm. Did they put that cone up on the monument?

[Speaker 7] (16:58 - 17:00)
They promised it was not them.

[Speaker 7] (17:00 - 17:02)
Actually, they said we did not do anything with any cones in your town,

[Speaker 7] (17:03 - 17:11)
but they were very grateful for not only the fact that we had the games available so when they were not trying to get down to Foxborough, they were able to.

[Speaker 7] (17:11 - 17:16)
Watch them outside with the ocean in the background, but just generally how the town had welcomed

[Speaker 8] (17:16 - 17:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (17:16 - 17:18)
every visitor they came to those events,

[Speaker 7] (17:18 - 17:23)
but also that they saw throughout town, whether they were eating, drinking or whatever else they did while they were here.

[Speaker 8] (17:23 - 17:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (17:24 - 17:26)
There are a lot of great Scots in town over the last few weeks. Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (17:27 - 17:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (17:27 - 17:28)
Anyway. Thanks.

[Speaker 6] (17:28 - 17:28)
That's it for me.

[Speaker 7] (17:28 - 17:29)
I think there's one more.

[Speaker 6] (17:29 - 17:30)
Dino, can I add one more thing?

[Speaker 5] (17:30 - 17:31)
Sure, why not?

[Speaker 6] (17:31 - 17:37)
So there was I didn't know if you were going to make an announcement about the 8th of July reading.

[Speaker 6] (17:38 - 17:40)
the declaration of

[Speaker 7] (17:40 - 17:40)
So

[Speaker 6] (17:40 - 17:40)
independence great

[Speaker 7] (17:40 - 17:51)
I did not have that on my list, but the Declaration of Independence and the first concert both will be sort of back-to-back tomorrow night on the town hall lawn,

[Speaker 7] (17:51 - 18:00)
and that's something that Representative Armini has brought to town and worked with the Historic Commission and others to put together their reading in advance of the first concert of the summer.

[Speaker 1] (18:01 - 18:04)
So it starts at about 5.30,

[Speaker 1] (18:04 - 18:04)
5.45.

[Speaker 5] (18:06 - 18:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (18:07 - 18:07)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (18:07 - 18:08)
Thank you for reminding me.

[Speaker 5] (18:09 - 18:10)
So just to echo,

[Speaker 5] (18:11 - 18:13)
I mean, it has been a tremendous amount of

[Speaker 5] (18:14 - 18:18)
Entertainment and work that's come from the recreation department the past month.

[Speaker 5] (18:18 - 18:23)
I don't know how they do it quite honestly. It's bigger than I've ever seen. The response has been huge.

[Speaker 5] (18:24 - 18:27)
It's just really building a significant sense of community.

[Speaker 5] (18:27 - 18:28)
It's fun,

[Speaker 5] (18:28 - 18:29)
it's lively,

[Speaker 5] (18:29 - 18:34)
it's very well done. So kudos to Charlotte and Christina and all of the volunteers.

[Speaker 5] (18:34 - 18:36)
I don't have enough words for Janelle Cameron.

[Speaker 5] (18:36 - 18:39)
I've known her for a long time. I've worked with her for almost ten years.

[Speaker 5] (18:39 - 18:48)
There's, she's amazing and she's a huge loss that she's stepping down, but I completely understand it because she's got a very busy life and she's put in a lot of hours and years.

[Speaker 5] (18:49 - 18:52)
We're lucky to have had her for as long as we did.

[Speaker 5] (18:52 - 18:59)
So just to reiterate though the situation with the parking at Hawthorne, I was dismayed to see

[Speaker 5] (19:01 - 19:05)
charging for parking at the rate that it was being charged for holiday.

[Speaker 5] (19:08 - 19:10)
It's just not what we intended, right?

[Speaker 5] (19:10 - 19:14)
That's the main takeaway there and it's a disappointment to me.

[Speaker 5] (19:14 - 19:33)
um in terms of the people that live here that were able to park for free a couple of months ago and now all of a sudden this sign is put up and you know not only are we not allowing them to park there but we're now charging them forty dollars for a day so I'm glad you handled that and addressed it um that's that wasn't the intent for that space so

[Speaker 5] (19:34 - 19:38)
Thank you for that. I don't have anything else so thank you for your report.

[Speaker 5] (19:39 - 19:47)
We'll now move on to public comment just to reiterate there is a very strict three-minute time limit for anyone coming up for public comment tonight.

[Speaker 5] (19:48 - 19:51)
You can certainly speak on anything that we have listed on the agenda here.

[Speaker 5] (19:51 - 19:54)
I'm happy to take anybody public comment.

[Speaker 1] (20:02 - 20:04)
And Mr. Connors, can you keep time for us?

[Speaker 1] (20:07 - 20:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (20:09 - 20:14)
John I'll just let you know when there's like thirty seconds left if that's okay on the three minutes so you'll

[Speaker 1] (20:14 - 20:16)
He'll give you the wave when there's 30 seconds

[Speaker 3] (20:16 - 20:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (20:16 - 20:16)
left.

[Speaker 3] (20:16 - 20:17)
thank you.

[Speaker 4] (20:19 - 20:20)
I thought you said I took so long

[Speaker 2] (20:20 - 20:20)
No,

[Speaker 4] (20:20 - 20:20)
to get done.

[Speaker 2] (20:20 - 20:21)
no,

[Speaker 1] (20:21 - 20:21)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (20:21 - 20:21)
no.

[Speaker 1] (20:21 - 20:21)
no, no,

[Speaker 5] (20:21 - 20:21)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (20:21 - 20:21)
no, no.

[Speaker 2] (20:21 - 20:22)
It hasn't

[Speaker 1] (20:22 - 20:22)
the clock's ticking.

[Speaker 2] (20:22 - 20:23)
started yet.

[Speaker 1] (20:24 - 20:25)
Oh, no. You're down to two and a half, John.

[Speaker 5] (20:26 - 20:28)
So I'm here to speak.

[Speaker 5] (20:28 - 20:28)
Can you hear me okay?

[Speaker 5] (20:29 - 20:34)
I'm here. John Jantis, 61 Blaney,

[Speaker 5] (20:34 - 20:36)
also a school committee member.

[Speaker 5] (20:37 - 20:40)
I'm here to speak on the hotel project.

[Speaker 5] (20:41 - 20:41)
We just,

[Speaker 5] (20:41 - 20:43)
my wife and I, Siobhan, who's here,

[Speaker 5] (20:43 - 20:45)
we just attended the community event.

[Speaker 5] (20:46 - 20:53)
And just a couple takeaways from that that I thought were important to raise here.

[Speaker 5] (20:53 - 20:59)
So one of the reasons we were told that these meetings occur is to be able,

[Speaker 5] (20:59 - 21:01)
the neighbors can provide feedback,

[Speaker 5] (21:01 - 21:08)
the developer can take this feedback back to the planning board or their planning and...

[Speaker 5] (21:09 - 21:12)
you know, incorporate suggestions as they can.

[Speaker 5] (21:13 - 21:22)
We've raised a concern as direct abutters right across the street from the school that the parking as it had been configured,

[Speaker 5] (21:22 - 21:25)
as people exited the parking lot,

[Speaker 5] (21:25 - 21:30)
their headlights would shine directly onto our house, into the living room, into the upper bedrooms,

[Speaker 5] (21:30 - 21:36)
and we have voiced concerns going back probably well over a year and a half on this.

[Speaker 5] (21:36 - 21:42)
And one of the takeaways from this meeting was that Dixon,

[Speaker 5] (21:42 - 21:44)
the representative who was here,

[Speaker 5] (21:44 - 22:00)
said that they are going to make the entrance into the parking lot a one-way in and the exit will be further down Reddington Street closer to where OYO is right there.

[Speaker 5] (22:01 - 22:05)
No one will be coming out of the parking lot pointing towards our house.

[Speaker 5] (22:06 - 22:10)
I did ask a question about people just circling around the parking lot,

[Speaker 5] (22:10 - 22:20)
you know, if they're going to have mitigation with berms or fencing or other light mitigations and Dixon did say that, you know, that's part of their plan,

[Speaker 5] (22:21 - 22:23)
so we'll be watching to make sure that that happens.

[Speaker 5] (22:25 - 22:31)
The other thing that was raised,

[Speaker 5] (22:31 - 22:39)
we also raised it as a concern, but some of the neighbors who were there raised it was just a general concern on parking with the project.

[Speaker 5] (22:40 - 22:48)
Our understanding is that the lot has, the lot across the street from us has 62 spaces or will have 62 spaces.

[Speaker 5] (22:50 - 22:56)
The project contemplates 167 total to take care of guests, employees,

[Speaker 5] (22:57 - 22:59)
people visiting the restaurant.

[Speaker 5] (23:00 - 23:05)
So our question is what's being done to address that parking?

[Speaker 5] (23:05 - 23:07)
We weren't the only ones that raised that concern tonight.

[Speaker 5] (23:07 - 23:11)
And what we heard was that there is

[Speaker 5] (23:12 - 23:20)
So maybe solutions with the church, maybe some solutions with the Archdiocese, but that was it.

[Speaker 5] (23:20 - 23:22)
That's all we heard from.

[Speaker 2] (23:23 - 23:24)
30 seconds.

[Speaker 5] (23:24 - 23:24)
Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (23:24 - 23:26)
So that's all we heard on that.

[Speaker 5] (23:26 - 23:35)
So hopefully some other creative solutions like maybe shuttling people from satellite lots might be an option.

[Speaker 5] (23:37 - 23:41)
So I think, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (23:42 - 23:43)
just in closing,

[Speaker 5] (23:43 - 23:45)
it's already a tight neighborhood.

[Speaker 5] (23:45 - 23:49)
So we're watching this very closely for, you know, the light pollution,

[Speaker 5] (23:50 - 23:51)
the noise pollution,

[Speaker 5] (23:51 - 23:53)
parking,

[Speaker 5] (23:53 - 23:59)
all of it impacts us. So, you know, we ask that the board consider all of these things as this thing moves forward.

[Speaker 5] (23:59 - 24:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (24:00 - 24:01)
Thank you, John.

[Speaker 1] (24:02 - 24:05)
Do we have anybody else? Yep. Can you just step right up to the microphone?

[Speaker 4] (24:12 - 24:18)
Hi, my name's Al Williams. I'm from 11 Seed Hill Terrace, Swampscott, and I'm just here to talk about the parking issue.

[Speaker 1] (24:18 - 24:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (24:19 - 24:20)
Since May 4th meeting,

[Speaker 4] (24:21 - 24:22)
there's been some improvements.

[Speaker 4] (24:22 - 24:27)
The white lines have been put in down the bottom of the hill, and that's improved traffic coming and going.

[Speaker 4] (24:28 - 24:37)
And the DPW today actually in the rain did a great job of clearing on the left side the brush, so you won't have to bother Gene, though he's busy enough probably with other stuff.

[Speaker 4] (24:37 - 24:58)
stuff but they did a great job doing that but I'm here to request a public hearing is mr. Spritz said I sent an email today I just think it's more of a an efficient way of talking about things instead of coming up and saying you know your your bit and then that's it you know no discussion

[Speaker 4] (25:01 - 25:23)
I sent also today a modified parking plan and I also sent because I'm not sure if the board was aware of this but this all started almost going on two years in October I had sent our neighborhood's petition signed petition to the police and then it transferred to the board this this spring

[Speaker 5] (25:23 - 25:23)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (25:23 - 25:28)
and so that the reason that's I just didn't know if you

[Speaker 4] (25:27 - 25:32)
I don't know if you guys had that, and that's why I sent that to you.

[Speaker 4] (25:33 - 25:34)
Let's see.

[Speaker 4] (25:36 - 25:39)
You know, as far as your point,

[Speaker 4] (25:39 - 25:40)
Mr.

[Speaker 4] (25:40 - 25:42)
Conant, about Bayview residents,

[Speaker 4] (25:43 - 25:47)
they're talking about a problem that doesn't exist right now.

[Speaker 4] (25:47 - 25:50)
It may exist, it may not, if there was resident parking.

[Speaker 4] (25:50 - 25:57)
Right now there is a parking issue on Cedar Hill, and it's due to the commercial built.

[Speaker 4] (25:58 - 26:24)
properties parking there and overstaying you know there's already been a car parked there it was a little reprieve after you guys probably talked to him and then it's starting to get back to normal again you know slowly it'll it'll it'll increase but my point is it's not a problem until it is a problem and I think people in general are lazy and they're not going to park up there but if they do then they can address that problem right now

[Speaker 4] (26:24 - 26:25)
Well, it's not a problem.

[Speaker 4] (26:25 - 26:27)
The problem is Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 1] (26:27 - 26:27)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (26:27 - 26:36)
And I just appreciate your time and also I would appreciate having a public hearing on it. It would be very helpful.

[Speaker 4] (26:36 - 26:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (26:36 - 26:39)
thank you. Thank you for your email also.

[Speaker 1] (26:41 - 26:43)
And I see we have one online,

[Speaker 1] (26:43 - 26:43)
Shannon.

[Speaker 1] (26:44 - 26:44)
Yeah, please.

[Speaker 2] (26:47 - 26:47)
So

[Speaker 6] (26:49 - 26:53)
Good evening. I'm Michael Garvey. I live at 85 Monument Avenue,

[Speaker 6] (26:53 - 26:56)
which is near Howland Park,

[Speaker 6] (26:56 - 27:07)
and I'm commenting about the lack of enforcement of the leaf blower ban during summer and the noise in the homestead area as a result.

[Speaker 6] (27:10 - 27:26)
My comments mostly relate to last year and in challenges to the landscape gardeners, they, when I suggested I might call the police, they laugh and say go ahead.

[Speaker 6] (27:26 - 27:30)
I did call the police several times last year and they...

[Speaker 6] (27:32 - 27:48)
I have the protocol that they will record my, they will record my comment and perhaps send a cruiser, I never saw a cruiser.

[Speaker 6] (27:49 - 27:56)
There's, for example, the people on Walker Road seem to think it's important to leaf blow the entire street.

[Speaker 6] (27:57 - 28:00)
And you can imagine the noise and how long it goes on.

[Speaker 6] (28:00 - 28:03)
So we have a bylaw.

[Speaker 6] (28:04 - 28:07)
It's not being enforced and I'll just end my comments there.

[Speaker 1] (28:09 - 28:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (28:12 - 28:14)
Do we have anybody else for public comment?

[Speaker 1] (28:15 - 28:15)
Brian?

[Speaker 5] (28:43 - 28:54)
So, at the select board meeting on June 17th, I listened to your discussion about what elements you want to discuss for inclusion in a Hawthorne site RFP.

[Speaker 5] (28:55 - 28:59)
It is correct that you will have to define many individual elements,

[Speaker 5] (28:59 - 29:07)
but what is needed before that is an identification of the larger goals for development and an appreciation for the radically different directions.

[Speaker 4] (29:08 - 29:09)
that are possible on the site.

[Speaker 4] (29:10 - 29:14)
Although the RFP should contain room for a potential developer's imagination,

[Speaker 4] (29:15 - 29:18)
at the same time a good RFP will commit to a direction,

[Speaker 4] (29:19 - 29:21)
an articulated set of larger goals,

[Speaker 4] (29:21 - 29:22)
and lastly a vision,

[Speaker 4] (29:22 - 29:24)
whatever the site plan solution,

[Speaker 4] (29:25 - 29:29)
in addition to defining the nine items on your list tonight and others to come,

[Speaker 4] (29:30 - 29:36)
A great plan will possess good spatial relationships and create a coherent and attractive sense of place.

[Speaker 4] (29:37 - 29:39)
When we travel to urban areas,

[Speaker 4] (29:39 - 29:40)
we seek out notable places,

[Speaker 4] (29:41 - 29:42)
cathedrals,

[Speaker 4] (29:42 - 29:49)
civic piazzas, outdoor cafes and vibrant places where planners have created memorable and imageful places.

[Speaker 1] (29:50 - 29:52)
What the select board needs to do here,

[Speaker 1] (29:52 - 29:54)
identify a direction for the RFP,

[Speaker 1] (29:55 - 29:58)
will take some familiarity on your part with the principles of town planning.

[Speaker 1] (29:59 - 30:03)
If you look at the 25 or 30 site plans that the Hawthorne community developed,

[Speaker 1] (30:03 - 30:09)
you would ideally consider and grasp the many different spatial relationships that each plan would create if built.

[Speaker 1] (30:10 - 30:19)
You would see, for example, that removing the existing restaurant building is the key to opening up the 1.4 acre site for all sorts of possibilities.

[Speaker 1] (30:20 - 30:21)
If we remove the building,

[Speaker 1] (30:22 - 30:27)
no additional land purchase is necessary to achieve a wonderful blend of uses across the site.

[Speaker 1] (30:28 - 30:35)
It is often difficult for lay people to understand and feel the three-dimensional relationships represented within a flat drawing.

[Speaker 1] (30:35 - 30:40)
The select board needs to develop that skill in order to select a development direction,

[Speaker 1] (30:40 - 30:47)
for the planned direction that you choose would rearrange even the sequence of the items on your list tonight,

[Speaker 1] (30:47 - 30:49)
and it would change the answers to the checklist,

[Speaker 1] (30:49 - 31:02)
as the answers will depend on the planned direction or vision for the site. An architect or town planner would start not yet with your list, but with a vision of what is fitting and best for the site and the context.

[Speaker 1] (31:02 - 31:17)
That takes considering first whether the existing building stays or goes and then imagining and pursuing something outstanding that is not yet now on the site. You could then produce an R_P_ that contains a clear compass. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (31:18 - 31:18)
Thank you, Brian.

[Speaker 3] (31:18 - 31:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (31:20 - 31:21)
Anyone else for public comment?

[Speaker 2] (31:24 - 31:27)
Okay, seeing as none we will go ahead to new and old business.

[Speaker 2] (31:28 - 31:31)
The first item is a proclamation designation

[Speaker 2] (31:39 - 31:46)
of July as Park and Recreation Month proclamation by the select board I'll go ahead and read that proclamation

[Speaker 2] (31:47 - 31:51)
Whereas Parks and Recreation is an integral part of communities throughout this country,

[Speaker 2] (31:51 - 31:56)
including Swampscot, and whereas Parks and Recreation promotes health and wellness,

[Speaker 2] (31:56 - 32:01)
improving the physical and mental health of people who live near parks and recreation centers,

[Speaker 2] (32:01 - 32:04)
and whereas Parks and Recreation promotes time spent in nature,

[Speaker 2] (32:05 - 32:12)
which positively impacts mental health by increasing cognitive performance and well-being and alleviating illnesses such as depression,

[Speaker 2] (32:12 - 32:13)
attention deficit disorders,

[Speaker 2] (32:13 - 32:14)
and Alzheimer's.

[Speaker 2] (32:15 - 32:21)
And whereas Parks and Recreation encourages physical activities by providing space for popular sports,

[Speaker 2] (32:21 - 32:21)
hiking trails,

[Speaker 2] (32:22 - 32:33)
waterfront programs and many other activities designed to promote active lifestyles. And whereas Parks and Recreation programming and education activities such as out of school time programming,

[Speaker 2] (32:33 - 32:41)
youth sports and environmental education are critical to childhood development. And whereas Parks and Recreation increases a community's economic.

[Speaker 2] (32:41 - 32:43)
economic prosperity through increased property values,

[Speaker 2] (32:43 - 32:45)
expansion of the local tax base,

[Speaker 2] (32:46 - 32:47)
increased tourism,

[Speaker 2] (32:47 - 32:49)
the attraction and retention of businesses,

[Speaker 2] (32:49 - 32:50)
and crime reduction.

[Speaker 2] (32:51 - 32:56)
And whereas Parks and Recreation is fundamental to the environmental well-being of our community,

[Speaker 2] (32:57 - 33:05)
and whereas Parks and Recreation is essential in adaptable infrastructure that makes our communities resilient in the face of natural disasters and climate change,

[Speaker 2] (33:05 - 33:15)
and whereas our parks and natural recreation areas ensure the ecological beauty of our community and provide a place for children and adults to connect with one another,

[Speaker 2] (33:15 - 33:16)
nature,

[Speaker 2] (33:16 - 33:16)
and recreation.

[Speaker 2] (33:16 - 33:23)
and recreate outdoors and whereas the U.S. House of Representatives has designated July as Parks and Recreation Month

[Speaker 2] (33:24 - 33:29)
And whereas Swampscott recognizes the benefits derived from parks and recreation resources,

[Speaker 2] (33:30 - 33:38)
now therefore be it resolved by the Swampscott Select Board that July is recognized as Park and Recreation Month in the town of Swampscott.

[Speaker 2] (33:38 - 33:39)
And again,

[Speaker 2] (33:39 - 33:45)
I just want to say I'm incredibly grateful for the Parks and Recreation Department,

[Speaker 2] (33:45 - 33:47)
our open space and recreation committees,

[Speaker 2] (33:47 - 33:50)
very hardworking and really well deserved,

[Speaker 2] (33:50 - 33:51)
so I'm happy.

[Speaker 2] (33:51 - 33:53)
I'm happy to sign this proclamation with everybody else.

[Speaker 4] (33:54 - 33:55)
Hear, hear.

[Speaker 2] (33:55 - 33:58)
And then we have another proclamation I think tonight.

[Speaker 2] (33:59 - 34:05)
Let's see, Mary Ellen do you want to take the lead on that one? I know that it's a recognition of Eagle Scout Aiden Tatt.

[Speaker 4] (34:06 - 34:06)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (34:08 - 34:09)
Once again,

[Speaker 5] (34:09 - 34:14)
Swampscot is in the position of having another Eagle Scout.

[Speaker 5] (34:16 - 34:24)
Our community, our parents, and our kids are just amazing at the hard work and the accomplishments they do,

[Speaker 5] (34:25 - 34:30)
and tonight we have the opportunity to acknowledge Aiden Tate.

[Speaker 5] (34:31 - 34:33)
So, Aiden, you want to come on up here?

[Speaker 5] (34:38 - 34:40)
Hayden, let me just read this for you, okay?

[Speaker 5] (34:41 - 34:47)
So whereas the rank of Eagle Scout is the highest honor that can be attained by a Boy Scout and takes years,

[Speaker 5] (34:47 - 34:54)
years of dedication and commitment to achieve, and whereas Eagle Scouts act as leaders and role models in the community.

[Speaker 5] (34:55 - 35:20)
The Eagle Scout Award is a distinction that will follow Aiden Tate throughout his life and will be a beacon to others of the leadership quality and commitment he has shown and now therefore be it proclaimed that on behalf of the entire select board and the town of Swampscott we do hereby congratulate and recognize Aiden for his achievement of the rank of Eagle Scout and urge others to join us in extending congratulations to Mr.

[Speaker 5] (35:21 - 35:21)
Tate.

[Speaker 5] (35:21 - 35:22)
In witness whereof.

[Speaker 5] (35:23 - 35:29)
We have hereunto set our hands and caused to be affixed to the great seal of the town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 5] (35:29 - 35:29)
Massachusetts,

[Speaker 5] (35:30 - 35:31)
this seventh day of July,

[Speaker 5] (35:31 - 35:32)
2026.

[Speaker 5] (35:35 - 35:37)
One more thing I want to add,

[Speaker 5] (35:37 - 35:58)
in the town of Swampscott we have plaques that are in town hall if you walk in and look to your left and we have every name of every individual who has either achieved the highest level of the Girl Scouts which is called the Gold Award or the highest level of the Boy Scouts which is called the Eagle Scouts. So Aiden will be our next plaque.

[Speaker 5] (35:59 - 36:00)
on there.

[Speaker 5] (36:00 - 36:02)
So I hope you go down and check that out.

[Speaker 5] (36:02 - 36:04)
So can you tell us about what you achieved?

[Speaker 6] (36:05 - 36:25)
Uh yeah, so for my Eagle Scout project, um I worked with st uh Saint John's Church in Swampscott um and they had this um like Christmas nativity decoration called a creche that was uh blown over and destroyed by the winds a couple years ago. And so my project was uh working with them to uh recreate a new one that would be better suited for their needs.

[Speaker 2] (36:26 - 36:27)
Amazing.

[Speaker 5] (36:27 - 36:27)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (36:27 - 36:28)
Nice work.

[Speaker 7] (36:28 - 36:29)
Well done. Thank you so much.

[Speaker 2] (36:29 - 36:30)
Thank you, Aiden.

[Speaker 7] (36:35 - 36:36)
Can you take a picture?

[Speaker 5] (36:36 - 36:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (36:38 - 36:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (36:38 - 36:38)
Do you want to do a picture?

[Speaker 6] (36:39 - 36:39)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (36:39 - 36:39)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (36:39 - 36:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (36:40 - 36:42)
Can we get, do you mind if we get a picture? Can we get a picture with you, Aiden?

[Speaker 2] (36:44 - 36:44)
Why not?

[Speaker 7] (36:55 - 36:56)
It's coming right over here.

[Speaker 7] (37:01 - 37:01)
I was wondering where y'all went.

[Speaker 2] (37:01 - 37:03)
I didn't see you. I didn't think you liked that. I

[Speaker 7] (37:13 - 37:14)
One more, one more.

[Speaker 2] (37:38 - 37:45)
We are now moving on to review and discussion of construction drawings for Hotel Delamar Swampscott. I'd like to welcome Mr. Dixon Mallory,

[Speaker 2] (37:45 - 37:48)
Director of Business Development for the hotel.

[Speaker 7] (37:58 - 37:59)
Thank you for having me.

[Speaker 2] (38:00 - 38:00)
Welcome.

[Speaker 2] (38:00 - 38:01)
Thanks for coming.

[Speaker 5] (38:01 - 38:02)
Thank you for coming.

[Speaker 7] (38:03 - 38:04)
That working I don't hear you

[Speaker 2] (38:04 - 38:05)
Oh no.

[Speaker 7] (38:05 - 38:06)
but yeah,

[Speaker 2] (38:06 - 38:06)
Ethan?

[Speaker 7] (38:06 - 38:07)
you should you should be good now.

[Speaker 2] (38:07 - 38:07)
Is that good?

[Speaker 5] (38:07 - 38:08)
You're good.

[Speaker 7] (38:08 - 38:09)
You're good now.

[Speaker 7] (38:09 - 38:09)
Hello?

[Speaker 2] (38:09 - 38:10)
There you go.

[Speaker 8] (38:10 - 38:10)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (38:10 - 38:11)
Okay, that's working.

[Speaker 5] (38:11 - 38:12)
I

[Speaker 7] (38:12 - 38:12)
How you

[Speaker 5] (38:12 - 38:13)
can hear you to Connecticut.

[Speaker 2] (38:13 - 38:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (38:17 - 38:18)
Are we gonna be reviewing the

[Speaker 8] (38:19 - 38:20)
Which document would you like to open first?

[Speaker 7] (38:20 - 38:21)
uh

[Speaker 8] (38:21 - 38:22)
I think it's a few different ones.

[Speaker 7] (38:22 - 38:23)
words.

[Speaker 7] (38:23 - 38:29)
We can perhaps review the site plan. We just had a nice meeting with the abutting neighbors reviewing the updates to our site plan.

[Speaker 7] (38:30 - 38:31)
So happy to start there.

[Speaker 8] (38:31 - 38:32)
Hold on one second.

[Speaker 5] (38:33 - 38:33)
So let's

[Speaker 2] (38:33 - 38:34)
Will the neighbors say that?

[Speaker 7] (39:03 - 39:26)
Okay, so this um plan here shows our updated site plan. Um we did take into consideration some feedback that we received from the previous uh public hearing um on circulation uh on the site, access to the site um and egress off the site. Um so what we've done here is we originally had

[Speaker 7] (39:27 - 39:44)
The entrance to the property down on this curb cut here which is currently existing uh down near Humphrey Street. Uh cars would enter the property there and circle up to in front of what's gonna be the main entrance of the of the hotel. And they would continue on past the

[Speaker 8] (39:44 - 39:44)
annex

[Speaker 7] (39:44 - 39:44)
annex

[Speaker 1] (40:09 - 40:30)
So what we've done is we've essentially flipped uh the flow of traffic. So if you're coming, say, from Humphrey street you'll drive up Reddington and you'll turn into the property up by what is now the the playground, playground um and the ball field. And you'll continue on, you'll enter the property there, either go and park your car in the parking lot here.

[Speaker 1] (40:30 - 40:38)
Or continue on down past the annex and then drop, you know, park here in these spots right in front of the property,

[Speaker 1] (40:38 - 40:39)
the hotel entrance,

[Speaker 1] (40:39 - 40:46)
or drop off your guests and continue on and exit out where that current curb cut exists.

[Speaker 1] (40:46 - 40:47)
So that.

[Speaker 1] (40:48 - 40:50)
It's actually more logical from a drop-off standpoint.

[Speaker 1] (40:50 - 41:07)
You're dropping people off on the passenger side uh of the car rather than the pulling up on the driver side. Um so that was the main kind of change to the site plan. Other than that we've um started to identify you know where we'll have um you know pole lighting, where there'll be bollard lighting um kind of

[Speaker 1] (41:08 - 41:12)
to um, you know, circulate around the property. Um

[Speaker 1] (41:13 - 41:17)
And we have our you know landscaping schedule which was shared with with the select board.

[Speaker 1] (41:18 - 41:39)
And we had again a good meeting I think with the neighbors talking about how and I mean this we're very open to how this all gets screened. You know whether it's a combination of arborvitae soft plantings or a fence or some combination both it doesn't it doesn't impact the sense of arrival to the hotel that much and so we're you know happy to work with with the neighbors.

[Speaker 1] (41:39 - 41:45)
and the town I'm making sure we can kind of come to an agreement on something that works for works for everybody.

[Speaker 2] (41:45 - 41:49)
Mm-hmm. Was the um event well attended tonight? Was there a decent

[Speaker 1] (41:49 - 41:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (41:49 - 41:51)
number of people there?

[Speaker 1] (41:51 - 41:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (41:51 - 41:52)
Great, great. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (41:55 - 42:02)
Um so that is really the you know kind of update to the site plan. Um happy to continue on to the next

[Speaker 3] (42:03 - 42:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (42:03 - 42:05)
While you're on the site plan, um

[Speaker 4] (42:07 - 42:08)
Are there gonna be uh are the

[Speaker 4] (42:09 - 42:11)
requisite number of spaces gonna be E_V_ ready?

[Speaker 1] (42:11 - 42:12)
Sorry?

[Speaker 4] (42:12 - 42:14)
Are there gonna be E_V_ ready spaces? Are you gonna run

[Speaker 2] (42:14 - 42:14)
We'll

[Speaker 4] (42:14 - 42:15)
the electrical

[Speaker 2] (42:15 - 42:15)
run it.

[Speaker 4] (42:15 - 42:16)
when you do the site work?

[Speaker 1] (42:16 - 42:17)
Yep, we have uh we've called them out here.

[Speaker 4] (42:17 - 42:18)
Oh perfect,

[Speaker 1] (42:18 - 42:24)
Uh dual okay. head E_V_ charging stations there there um. So I think we have a oh no. Well,

[Speaker 4] (42:24 - 42:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (42:24 - 42:25)
yeah, we do have we're accounting for them.

[Speaker 4] (42:26 - 42:26)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (42:26 - 42:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (42:26 - 42:27)
and then um

[Speaker 4] (42:28 - 42:34)
How is parking being managed for the excess parking that I'm sure you're anticipating on site?

[Speaker 1] (42:35 - 42:38)
I think what we're anticipating is we'll have valet parking.

[Speaker 4] (42:38 - 42:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (42:38 - 42:41)
So if there is off-site parking, you know, at a...

[Speaker 1] (42:42 - 42:45)
A two be determined lot nearby, that'll be handled by valet.

[Speaker 4] (42:45 - 42:45)
Understood.

[Speaker 1] (42:45 - 42:52)
And we have a similar arrangement with our hotel in West Hartford, and it's we lease that property from the town of West Hartford, Connecticut.

[Speaker 1] (42:52 - 42:54)
So it's a very similar situation

[Speaker 4] (42:54 - 42:54)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (42:54 - 42:56)
to what we have here, this being a lease.

[Speaker 4] (42:56 - 42:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (42:56 - 43:01)
And we use municipal lots kind of in downtown for our overflow.

[Speaker 4] (43:02 - 43:02)
Understood.

[Speaker 4] (43:03 - 43:04)
Do you expect a charge for parking?

[Speaker 1] (43:04 - 43:05)
No.

[Speaker 4] (43:05 - 43:06)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (43:07 - 43:13)
And do you anticipate, um how do you anticipate employee parking to work? Will there be a shuttle system perhaps?

[Speaker 1] (43:13 - 43:23)
They they'll be some combination of um you know if we can accommodate some of them on site they're not obviously all on site at once. Um yeah there is actually you know.

[Speaker 1] (43:24 - 43:33)
There's a bus stop nearby, very close to the train station, an easy walk. So uh in terms of access from the property, if you're not using a car, if you're using public transportation, um it's pretty um

[Speaker 2] (43:33 - 43:33)
Accessible.

[Speaker 1] (43:33 - 43:34)
accessible, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (43:35 - 43:37)
'Kay. Great.

[Speaker 4] (43:37 - 43:46)
There this is me being just a little bit over analysing on the on the part of when you the cut coming in from the street

[Speaker 1] (43:47 - 43:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (43:47 - 43:49)
into that side run.

[Speaker 4] (43:49 - 43:56)
Is that I have no sense of scale in terms of how big the car is or all through that. Is that a tough

[Speaker 1] (43:56 - 43:56)
Enough to make a U-turn?

[Speaker 4] (43:57 - 43:58)
No, just a tough turn.

[Speaker 1] (43:59 - 43:59)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (43:59 - 44:04)
Just coming in, and I don't know if that's that's not necessarily in our purview to you know,

[Speaker 5] (44:04 - 44:04)
It is our

[Speaker 4] (44:04 - 44:04)
to discuss.

[Speaker 5] (44:04 - 44:04)
purview.

[Speaker 1] (44:04 - 44:06)
From Reddington into the parking lot?

[Speaker 1] (44:08 - 44:11)
I mean, is it a tighter turn perhaps, but it's

[Speaker 6] (44:11 - 44:12)
Do you see what I'm saying?

[Speaker 1] (44:12 - 44:12)
I don't know.

[Speaker 4] (44:12 - 44:20)
I y y yeah, the company's question is just the width of that curb cut and access from the parking lot. I I'm sure you'll either address that with us or through

[Speaker 6] (44:20 - 44:20)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (44:20 - 44:24)
planning, but that's like a requisite width that it'll have to be for uh for a car to be made. So

[Speaker 2] (44:24 - 44:24)
Not the access,

[Speaker 4] (44:24 - 44:25)
that'll be yeah.

[Speaker 6] (44:25 - 44:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (44:25 - 44:28)
That's not a concern that I have, but it'll be addressed through the planning site plan process.

[Speaker 6] (44:28 - 44:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (44:29 - 44:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (44:32 - 44:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (44:32 - 44:34)
So can I have a question on the lighting?

[Speaker 1] (44:34 - 44:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (44:35 - 44:38)
Um when you talk about poll lighting,

[Speaker 2] (44:38 - 44:49)
do you mean how I wanna know how that's going to affect the neighborhood and what the I just wanna make sure that

[Speaker 2] (44:49 - 44:59)
When people are sitting in their living rooms or their wherever they're sitting in their house that the lighting isn't going into their houses is will that be addressed with your ballad lighting or your pole lighting?

[Speaker 1] (45:00 - 45:01)
Yeah, we talked about that at length tonight.

[Speaker 2] (45:01 - 45:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (45:02 - 45:07)
Um you know the bollards they'll all be you know dark sky compliant so there'll be no you know up lighting.

[Speaker 2] (45:07 - 45:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (45:07 - 45:10)
Um actually this is

[Speaker 1] (45:10 - 45:14)
If you don't mind a divergence, this is our new potent in Mystic Conn.

[Speaker 2] (45:14 - 45:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (45:14 - 45:20)
You can see there's some bollards it's kind of not a great photo, but there's a bollard right there.

[Speaker 4] (45:20 - 45:20)
I know.

[Speaker 1] (45:20 - 45:30)
Um and that's actually, you know probably more well, anyway, very low lighting, no significant up lighting on the exterior of the building at all. Um

[Speaker 4] (45:30 - 45:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (45:30 - 45:36)
they serve pretty small windows by comparison to the windows at Hadley. Um but we're not anticipating any

[Speaker 1] (45:37 - 45:39)
Above and beyond what is necessary in the parking lot.

[Speaker 2] (45:40 - 45:41)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 2] (45:43 - 45:52)
Were there other concerns brought up tonight, uh Marcy? Anything else that the public brought up that we need to be cognisant of other than lighting?

[Speaker 4] (45:53 - 45:54)
In parking.

[Speaker 2] (45:54 - 45:54)
In parking.

[Speaker 8] (45:55 - 45:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (46:02 - 46:17)
The majority of the concerns were about landscaping and I think traffic impacts. Um there were some discussions about um retaining walls and um just a need for for current maintenance of the of the parcel. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (46:17 - 46:18)
And the playground,

[Speaker 2] (46:18 - 46:18)
right?

[Speaker 9] (46:18 - 46:24)
That's correct, yes. We talked about the playground um the relocation of it and um

[Speaker 9] (46:28 - 46:29)
I'm just looking at my notes, sorry.

[Speaker 4] (46:35 - 46:37)
I'll ask a question while you're looking.

[Speaker 9] (46:37 - 46:38)
Yep, I think that was about it.

[Speaker 9] (46:39 - 46:39)
Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (46:40 - 46:40)
When?

[Speaker 4] (46:40 - 46:48)
Is there um any consideration for the rainwater runoff into if you're adding more

[Speaker 4] (46:49 - 46:51)
into the where the ball field was,

[Speaker 1] (46:51 - 46:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (46:51 - 46:52)
right, you're adding concrete,

[Speaker 4] (46:53 - 46:53)
having

[Speaker 1] (46:53 - 46:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (46:53 - 46:54)
tarmac.

[Speaker 4] (46:54 - 46:58)
Is there any concern for that loss of absorption area?

[Speaker 1] (46:58 - 47:02)
I mean, that'll be all accounted for in our landscape grading plan.

[Speaker 4] (47:02 - 47:04)
You'll have an engineered stormwater plan

[Speaker 1] (47:04 - 47:04)
Yeah, stormwater

[Speaker 4] (47:04 - 47:05)
as part of your site

[Speaker 1] (47:05 - 47:05)
management.

[Speaker 4] (47:05 - 47:06)
plan submission.

[Speaker 4] (47:06 - 47:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (47:07 - 47:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (47:07 - 47:13)
So you'll see there'll be retention basins or something that we'll have on the site catch basins. Yeah, that'll be addressed in a further submission.

[Speaker 4] (47:15 - 47:23)
One thing that I am noticing, I know when you came before us well, excuse me, came before the planning board about a year and a half with your initial concept drawings,

[Speaker 4] (47:24 - 47:26)
I think since then I know you've added,

[Speaker 4] (47:26 - 47:29)
it looks like canopy awnings to the entrance,

[Speaker 1] (47:29 - 47:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (47:29 - 47:32)
which I think are really nice, well done.

[Speaker 4] (47:33 - 47:40)
One of the other things I know that you've talked about screening at I guess your neighbourhood meeting, and I think just my personal preference.

[Speaker 4] (47:41 - 47:54)
Is arbor vitis to use greenery rather than vinyl or whatever fencing that you could use for screening just the added benefit of trees to accomplish the goal is helpful or whatever it's worth.

[Speaker 1] (47:54 - 47:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (47:54 - 47:54)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (47:54 - 47:58)
There's obviously not a lot of, you know, landscaping opportunity on this site as is.

[Speaker 1] (47:58 - 48:00)
So, yeah, it would.

[Speaker 4] (48:00 - 48:00)
When you can have the chance,

[Speaker 1] (48:00 - 48:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (48:00 - 48:01)
take it.

[Speaker 10] (48:02 - 48:07)
Has any of the, Marzi, this is probably a question for you, has any of the...

[Speaker 10] (48:09 - 48:13)
this substantial list of trees that have been provided on this list, is that

[Speaker 10] (48:14 - 48:17)
been reviewed or tossed by

[Speaker 1] (48:17 - 48:17)
That's

[Speaker 10] (48:17 - 48:18)
the Tree that Committee?

[Speaker 1] (48:18 - 48:21)
was just kind of a sampling of a theoretical plan of what we would you know propose.

[Speaker 9] (48:21 - 48:23)
Oh no, that's it's just.

[Speaker 10] (48:23 - 48:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (48:23 - 48:28)
We will have a full landscape plan that will be reviewed by the Planning Board as part of the site plan review.

[Speaker 2] (48:30 - 48:33)
Then what about the the very end there um on that

[Speaker 11] (48:34 - 48:45)
on my right where the you know the let that row of parking and then what's going to happen landscaping wise to shield the neighbors that are to the far right

[Speaker 1] (48:46 - 48:47)
On Stone Court, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (48:47 - 48:49)
So this is going to be,

[Speaker 1] (48:50 - 48:54)
the ball field kind of slopes up towards Stone Court,

[Speaker 1] (48:54 - 48:57)
so that's going to have to be leveled and brought down.

[Speaker 1] (48:57 - 49:03)
So there will be a retaining wall that will naturally screen the parking lot from those abutting homes.

[Speaker 1] (49:04 - 49:16)
Now we talked about this at length is what additional screening goes in there if needed. If you know you said if there is a fence or arbor that could block the view that

[Speaker 11] (49:16 - 49:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (49:16 - 49:18)
these homes have looking down on the water.

[Speaker 1] (49:19 - 49:21)
So in that case maybe they wouldn't want screening.

[Speaker 11] (49:21 - 49:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (49:22 - 49:22)
That's...

[Speaker 11] (49:23 - 49:24)
So they'll be involved,

[Speaker 11] (49:24 - 49:24)
they'll

[Speaker 4] (49:24 - 49:25)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (49:25 - 49:26)
have opportunity to,

[Speaker 1] (49:26 - 49:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (49:26 - 49:26)
okay.

[Speaker 10] (49:27 - 49:31)
What is the expected elevation step that, or regrading underneath?

[Speaker 1] (49:31 - 49:32)
I can't recall.

[Speaker 1] (49:33 - 49:36)
It's a few feet, but I think it would cover headlights in a car,

[Speaker 1] (49:36 - 49:37)
for example.

[Speaker 4] (49:39 - 49:39)
I think

[Speaker 2] (49:39 - 49:44)
I think I just for the board, at least for Wayne and I,

[Speaker 2] (49:44 - 49:48)
I asked Marcy this question by email and I'm sure you may have communicated this to Dixon as well.

[Speaker 2] (49:49 - 49:53)
We have our jurisdiction through the land development agreement as a property owner.

[Speaker 2] (49:53 - 49:57)
The planning board is a site plan special permit granting authority under our zoning bylaws.

[Speaker 2] (49:58 - 50:08)
So they are going to have a very similar conversation to what we're going to have, and requirements that they may have the applicant do in terms of screening, and they're going to go through all of the elevation plans,

[Speaker 2] (50:09 - 50:09)
the

[Speaker 3] (50:09 - 50:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (50:09 - 50:10)
engineering plans,

[Speaker 2] (50:10 - 50:15)
all of that kind of runs parallel to us as the property owners as part of our LDA.

[Speaker 2] (50:15 - 50:22)
So a lot of the intensive application questions we might have in terms of elevation changes, all that.

[Speaker 2] (50:23 - 50:28)
the applicant will have to provide to the planning department when they go to pull their building permit and get their site plan permit from the planning board.

[Speaker 2] (50:29 - 50:31)
Just from a process perspective I

[Speaker 4] (50:31 - 50:31)
When

[Speaker 2] (50:31 - 50:31)
think it's

[Speaker 4] (50:31 - 50:31)
does that

[Speaker 2] (50:31 - 50:31)
important

[Speaker 4] (50:31 - 50:31)
happen?

[Speaker 2] (50:31 - 50:32)
to understand.

[Speaker 5] (50:32 - 50:33)
Right. What's the timing

[Speaker 6] (50:33 - 50:33)
It's

[Speaker 5] (50:33 - 50:33)
on that?

[Speaker 6] (50:33 - 50:34)
online on the whole process.

[Speaker 2] (50:34 - 50:41)
February of next year is when they have to have all of their permits pulled and approved by relevant boards.

[Speaker 5] (50:42 - 50:44)
So what is the process,

[Speaker 5] (50:44 - 50:47)
though? Like how many meetings, because we're in July now,

[Speaker 5] (50:47 - 50:50)
so there's only a few months.

[Speaker 5] (50:50 - 50:52)
Before we we get to

[Speaker 5] (50:53 - 50:53)
Like

[Speaker 6] (50:53 - 50:54)
Is that

[Speaker 5] (50:54 - 50:54)
what

[Speaker 6] (50:54 - 50:54)
my what line?

[Speaker 5] (50:54 - 50:55)
does that look like?

[Speaker 6] (50:55 - 50:57)
The schedule, the timeline.

[Speaker 5] (50:57 - 50:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (50:58 - 51:00)
Do you have that, Marcy? Or

[Speaker 6] (51:00 - 51:01)
Are there

[Speaker 7] (51:01 - 51:01)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (51:01 - 51:01)
any more?

[Speaker 5] (51:01 - 51:01)
I mean, you all have...

[Speaker 7] (51:01 - 51:07)
I would refer to Dixon because in order to appear in front of the planning board,

[Speaker 7] (51:07 - 51:10)
we will need to have all the elevations planned,

[Speaker 7] (51:10 - 51:11)
the landscaping planned,

[Speaker 7] (51:11 - 51:13)
the cross section,

[Speaker 7] (51:13 - 51:14)
sort of like the traffic pattern.

[Speaker 7] (51:15 - 51:24)
So there are sort of forms in a process that an applicant for a commercial redevelopment of the site will have to submit.

[Speaker 7] (51:25 - 51:34)
to the planning board in order to be heard and obviously they review there's a you know we have bylaws that they will have to meet all the standards for the application process.

[Speaker 7] (51:35 - 51:46)
So it really depends. We rely on the applicants to submit the application. Our agenda for the planning board meetings or the deadlines are listed in terms of the calendar when they meet,

[Speaker 7] (51:46 - 51:55)
when the application has to be submitted, because the petition will have to be advertised in the local newspapers. We have to notify the neighbors.

[Speaker 5] (51:55 - 51:55)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (51:55 - 52:00)
We have been receiving a list of interested parties, so we want to make sure.

[Speaker 7] (52:01 - 52:05)
that we provide the proper notification to all of the abutters and the neighbors.

[Speaker 6] (52:05 - 52:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (52:07 - 52:09)
And a site plan permit can only be,

[Speaker 2] (52:09 - 52:11)
by statute,

[Speaker 2] (52:12 - 52:18)
site plans have to be approved within a certain number of calendar days from the day it's applied for.

[Speaker 2] (52:18 - 52:20)
So I don't know when you're planning on applying,

[Speaker 2] (52:20 - 52:22)
that's obviously up to your discretion.

[Speaker 2] (52:22 - 52:22)
But...

[Speaker 2] (52:23 - 52:28)
Yeah, we have our LDA which all the permits has to be in hand by February 2027.

[Speaker 7] (52:28 - 52:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (52:28 - 52:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (52:29 - 52:37)
Crazy, 2027. Um but also one that did from the day they applied for their site plan permit, you know, the planning board the clock ticks, so they have to have

[Speaker 7] (52:37 - 52:38)
Right. Right.

[Speaker 2] (52:38 - 52:43)
the approvals by whatever the statute is. I think it's ninety days or a hundred and eighty days or something.

[Speaker 6] (52:43 - 52:47)
Okay. So what's the next step for us? What happens next? Can anyone tell me that?

[Speaker 2] (52:48 - 52:48)
I see.

[Speaker 7] (52:48 - 52:49)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (52:49 - 53:04)
I would think that the next step that the select board would refer this project to, you know, to the planning board to review the process and start the application and work with the development team.

[Speaker 6] (53:04 - 53:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (53:05 - 53:05)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (53:05 - 53:06)
So do you need a vote for that?

[Speaker 7] (53:07 - 53:11)
No, you don't need a formal vote, 'cause obviously it's uh they they will have to submit a formal

[Speaker 5] (53:11 - 53:12)
We have application, to do it anyway.

[Speaker 7] (53:12 - 53:12)
but just, you know,

[Speaker 5] (53:12 - 53:13)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (53:13 - 53:15)
as a, I would think procedurally, I would imagine

[Speaker 5] (53:15 - 53:15)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (53:15 - 53:19)
that you would wanna hear back from the planning board, you would wanna review their

[Speaker 6] (53:19 - 53:19)
Their

[Speaker 7] (53:19 - 53:19)
recommendation

[Speaker 6] (53:19 - 53:19)
recommendations, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (53:19 - 53:21)
and their recommendations for the project.

[Speaker 6] (53:22 - 53:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (53:22 - 53:33)
So, I have a quick question. Has anything changed since you last came, for either us or any of the other boards? I in we've talked about a lot of the external stuff, that internal, have you

[Speaker 2] (53:33 - 53:34)
there's been changes.

[Speaker 9] (53:34 - 53:34)
Huh?

[Speaker 2] (53:34 - 53:35)
There's changes.

[Speaker 9] (53:35 - 53:41)
Yeah, I mean can you explain what those if there's any significant changes between the amount of rooms or the room sizes or what you're offering and so on?

[Speaker 2] (53:41 - 53:46)
Sure. I mean, should we go to the can I give a suggestion for how we might approach the conversation?

[Speaker 2] (53:46 - 53:52)
We go through page by page because I did notice there I think it's helpful for your for you to get our feedback page by page.

[Speaker 2] (53:54 - 53:55)
From a process perspective,

[Speaker 2] (53:56 - 53:58)
I would imagine Dixon can take that feedback,

[Speaker 2] (53:58 - 53:59)
they can uh take whatever

[Speaker 6] (53:59 - 53:59)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (53:59 - 53:59)
Mm considerations

[Speaker 5] (53:59 - 54:00)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (54:00 - 54:14)
they want with that, um and then I think for us at the end, for us to have a process conversation with that feedback, where do we go next, what's the next step, and then how do we get from here to February twenty twenty seven when all permits need to be in hand.

[Speaker 6] (54:14 - 54:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (54:14 - 54:15)
That's

[Speaker 5] (54:15 - 54:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (54:15 - 54:17)
what I would encourage us to

[Speaker 6] (54:17 - 54:19)
Okay, so let's do that. Let's start with page one.

[Speaker 9] (54:19 - 54:19)
Did this one?

[Speaker 1] (54:21 - 54:21)
Dixon.

[Speaker 1] (54:23 - 54:25)
Dixon, what document are you looking for?

[Speaker 1] (54:25 - 54:28)
Uh it's, I forget what exactly what it was called.

[Speaker 1] (54:29 - 54:30)
Um

[Speaker 6] (54:30 - 54:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (54:31 - 54:32)
A_A_ two hundred? Was that

[Speaker 1] (54:32 - 54:32)
That's the reflected

[Speaker 6] (54:32 - 54:33)
That's a whole

[Speaker 1] (54:33 - 54:33)
ceiling

[Speaker 6] (54:33 - 54:33)
nother

[Speaker 1] (54:33 - 54:34)
plan? Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (54:34 - 54:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (54:34 - 54:36)
that's that's that one's a bit harder to read.

[Speaker 6] (54:36 - 54:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (54:37 - 54:37)
Um

[Speaker 6] (54:37 - 54:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (54:38 - 54:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (54:41 - 54:42)
Just tell us which one.

[Speaker 9] (54:43 - 54:44)
It's a G_ two hundred A_

[Speaker 2] (54:50 - 54:54)
for the purposes of this board I would think just the layouts of all the floor plans

[Speaker 1] (54:54 - 54:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (54:54 - 54:55)
kind of gonna be what

[Speaker 1] (54:55 - 54:56)
We don't need to go through the the ceiling

[Speaker 5] (54:56 - 54:56)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (54:56 - 54:58)
plans. yeah, ceiling plans, that sort of stuff are

[Speaker 2] (54:59 - 55:01)
for our colleagues on the other boards.

[Speaker 2] (55:06 - 55:08)
Which is the document that you're looking for so I can find

[Speaker 5] (55:08 - 55:08)
Is

[Speaker 2] (55:08 - 55:08)
it, I the don't

[Speaker 5] (55:08 - 55:09)
actual first floor or?

[Speaker 9] (55:09 - 55:11)
Does it say A2.01A?

[Speaker 6] (55:11 - 55:14)
Contract Documents or

[Speaker 2] (55:15 - 55:17)
What's the page number in the bottom right?

[Speaker 6] (55:19 - 55:19)
Great.

[Speaker 9] (55:20 - 55:20)
So

[Speaker 6] (55:21 - 55:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (55:23 - 55:26)
There's a two A_ one hundred. So it's after the

[Speaker 6] (55:26 - 55:27)
This

[Speaker 2] (55:27 - 55:27)
after

[Speaker 6] (55:27 - 55:27)
is the end.

[Speaker 2] (55:27 - 55:29)
the landscaping inventory.

[Speaker 9] (55:30 - 55:30)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (55:30 - 55:31)
Don't think I have

[Speaker 9] (55:31 - 55:31)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (55:31 - 55:31)
it.

[Speaker 2] (55:31 - 55:32)
Your sheet.

[Speaker 6] (55:32 - 55:32)
Do I have it? I do.

[Speaker 9] (55:32 - 55:33)
Oh. Oh, oh, oh. Oh,

[Speaker 7] (55:33 - 55:34)
Oh

[Speaker 9] (55:34 - 55:34)
oh, okay.

[Speaker 6] (55:34 - 55:35)
right there, right? Okay.

[Speaker 1] (55:35 - 55:36)
I think I got it.

[Speaker 9] (55:37 - 55:38)
So the one hundred series.

[Speaker 6] (55:38 - 55:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (55:38 - 55:40)
Yes. A_ one. Here you go.

[Speaker 6] (55:40 - 55:40)
Great.

[Speaker 9] (55:41 - 55:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (55:41 - 55:42)
So overall basement floor plan.

[Speaker 9] (55:44 - 55:46)
Just give me one more minute, sorry about this.

[Speaker 1] (56:07 - 56:18)
Are there any specific questions in terms of the changes that we'd like to review? I mean, we could go through the whole plans again, but if there's something we'd like to talk about specifically, I'm happy to to focus on on that.

[Speaker 2] (56:18 - 56:21)
If you could call out what changes you made on each of the

[Speaker 10] (56:21 - 56:23)
Is this the right document?

[Speaker 9] (56:23 - 56:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (56:23 - 56:24)
Yeah, yeah, that looks good.

[Speaker 10] (56:24 - 56:26)
I just want to make sure I'm in the right spot.

[Speaker 5] (56:26 - 56:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (56:26 - 56:26)
The answer.

[Speaker 9] (56:26 - 56:27)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (56:27 - 56:28)
No, please do.

[Speaker 9] (56:29 - 56:31)
So in terms of our revision control,

[Speaker 9] (56:31 - 56:34)
right, you're are you is this the first time then that this

[Speaker 9] (56:36 - 56:38)
This, these drawings have been created?

[Speaker 1] (56:38 - 56:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (56:39 - 56:42)
Okay, so it's not like you've revised something, so this is rev one. So

[Speaker 1] (56:44 - 56:47)
They've been evolving, but this is the most recent and updated plans that we have.

[Speaker 9] (56:48 - 56:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (56:48 - 56:48)
So yeah.

[Speaker 2] (56:49 - 56:52)
So I think before, the last time you came before the select board,

[Speaker 2] (56:52 - 56:55)
what has changed from then to now on the basement floor plan?

[Speaker 1] (56:55 - 56:57)
On the basement floor plan,

[Speaker 1] (56:57 - 57:00)
we've put the restaurant into...

[Speaker 1] (57:01 - 57:03)
Which is going to be very kind of cool.

[Speaker 9] (57:03 - 57:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (57:03 - 57:16)
Um there's going to be kind of a a two level restaurant in what's now the mechanical room because there's a pretty significant sub-basement in the current mechanical room. So there'll be a two level restaurant, um

[Speaker 1] (57:17 - 57:21)
with a perimeter kind of terrace that wraps around

[Speaker 6] (57:21 - 57:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (57:21 - 57:26)
the perimeter of the main mechanical room with an opening to below,

[Speaker 1] (57:26 - 57:27)
which is this area in blue.

[Speaker 1] (57:28 - 57:43)
And then down below here, this will be the seating area in the bar that will be in the floor of the sub basement. So it'll be kind of a speakeasy. And there's actually a few rooms in the sub basement of the basement.

[Speaker 1] (57:45 - 58:03)
that actually lend themselves kind of very well to uh private dining rooms so for you know a a dinner of say fourteen twenty people something like this, that room is already there um with dramatic twenty foot ceilings. So that'll be kind of a very you know unique uh you know restaurant setting um.

[Speaker 6] (58:04 - 58:04)
Fun.

[Speaker 1] (58:04 - 58:09)
And that'll yeah, so that's kind of the main change. Other than that, this is all

[Speaker 1] (58:09 - 58:32)
That's all the kitchen. Fundamentally that hasn't changed. That's just um we've gone a bit more uh granular on the layout of the kitchen uh than otherwise. It's predominantly back of house um break rooms and these this is all kind of that sub-grade. So these windows will be frosted. So you're not gonna be looking into the back of house, but they'll be screened and frosted.

[Speaker 9] (58:32 - 58:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (58:32 - 58:35)
So there will be light coming in, but you won't see into it.

[Speaker 1] (58:36 - 58:39)
Um, that's the biggest change.

[Speaker 2] (58:40 - 58:46)
So you said there, the sub-basement has the private dining space, and then the regular basement has the speakeasy setting.

[Speaker 1] (58:46 - 58:51)
The floor of the mechanical room, of the the sub-basement, is where there's a bar.

[Speaker 2] (58:51 - 58:51)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (58:51 - 58:52)
The bar's right here.

[Speaker 2] (58:52 - 58:53)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (58:53 - 58:54)
Yep, and that um

[Speaker 2] (58:54 - 58:55)
Oh, I see.

[Speaker 1] (58:55 - 58:56)
right there. Mm-hmm. And then this room.

[Speaker 1] (58:57 - 58:58)
Is yeah that

[Speaker 2] (58:58 - 58:59)
The private dining room.

[Speaker 1] (58:59 - 59:03)
it or could be just set up for regular a la carte dining, but it could be

[Speaker 2] (59:03 - 59:03)
But it's

[Speaker 1] (59:03 - 59:03)
it's

[Speaker 2] (59:03 - 59:04)
sort of got it.

[Speaker 1] (59:04 - 59:05)
it's there. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (59:05 - 59:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (59:05 - 59:07)
Is this all existing space, this

[Speaker 1] (59:07 - 59:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (59:07 - 59:08)
that we converted?

[Speaker 1] (59:08 - 59:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (59:08 - 59:11)
So you're not creating any new space, okay.

[Speaker 1] (59:11 - 59:11)
No.

[Speaker 1] (59:12 - 59:13)
It's a very very big room.

[Speaker 6] (59:13 - 59:14)
Yeah, that's huge.

[Speaker 2] (59:14 - 59:15)
It's a what?

[Speaker 1] (59:15 - 59:16)
It's a big room.

[Speaker 2] (59:16 - 59:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (59:16 - 59:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (59:17 - 59:18)
Oh I see, okay.

[Speaker 2] (59:18 - 59:20)
What was this kind of previous, this was the gym?

[Speaker 6] (59:21 - 59:21)
Mechanical.

[Speaker 1] (59:21 - 59:22)
Mechanical room.

[Speaker 2] (59:22 - 59:22)
This is all the original

[Speaker 1] (59:22 - 59:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (59:22 - 59:23)
mechanical room, okay.

[Speaker 1] (59:23 - 59:24)
That's where the steam boilers are.

[Speaker 6] (59:24 - 59:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (59:27 - 59:28)
Um should we go up to the

[Speaker 6] (59:29 - 59:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (59:29 - 59:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (59:30 - 59:31)
Oh, okay. First floor.

[Speaker 6] (59:31 - 59:31)
The next one.

[Speaker 9] (59:31 - 59:33)
First floor. Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:34)
Uh still the

[Speaker 1] (59:34 - 59:35)
Uh it's still the basement. One more.

[Speaker 1] (59:38 - 59:43)
Um no real so this is the basement floor of the annex.

[Speaker 3] (59:43 - 59:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (59:45 - 59:53)
We have added, this was we've added a room here. This was gonna be one very large room. Uh we've broken it up into two.

[Speaker 2] (59:53 - 59:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (59:55 - 1:00:01)
Uh and that stack follows on the floors going up, I believe, so I think that's the only change there. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:00:04 - 1:00:09)
Oh, just kind of more detail in the bathrooms here. This is the uh the ADA compliant room uh the Mm-hmm. ENX.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:12 - 1:00:14)
Does the elevator service to the basement?

[Speaker 1] (1:00:14 - 1:00:15)
It has to, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:15 - 1:00:17)
It has to be ready, okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:17 - 1:00:18)
Is there more than one elevator?

[Speaker 1] (1:00:19 - 1:00:26)
Just one elevator. We d we were originally gonna have two, um but this elevator can work double duty as a service elevator and a passenger elevator.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:26 - 1:00:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:27 - 1:00:42)
And because this building benefits from having very large gracious staircases that currently are boarded up. Uh once those are opened up with new windows, there'll be you know pretty beautiful staircases. So we anticipate a lot of people using them, maybe not going up to that room, but

[Speaker 1] (1:00:43 - 1:00:44)
um going down.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:44 - 1:00:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:44 - 1:00:47)
Um it's been used that way for a hundred years so.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:47 - 1:00:48)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 6] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
That's true.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:48 - 1:01:08)
Um but yeah, the service elevator, we've, you know, looked at that extensively with our operations team, uh and they feel comfortable with one elevator. So the new the new construction is actually much smaller. So the only new construction on this entire uh project more less is this connecting tower between the main building and the annex.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:08 - 1:01:09)
So that's not shrunken.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:09 - 1:01:09)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:11 - 1:01:11)
Okay?

[Speaker 4] (1:01:12 - 1:01:14)
We're gonna move on to the first floor?

[Speaker 7] (1:01:14 - 1:01:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:14 - 1:01:16)
Yep, keep going down.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:01:18 - 1:01:36)
Uh no real changes here at all. Um this is still what we're anticipating to be the main entryway um into the hotel up these staircases uh th what is now the principal's office um and the nurse's office that'll become the hotel lobby.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:37 - 1:01:42)
check-in and lobby and then the gymnasium as it was previously

[Speaker 1] (1:01:43 - 1:01:49)
has always been planned as that'll be the ballroom kind for bigger events, weddings, parties, um corporate functions, whatever

[Speaker 8] (1:01:49 - 1:01:49)
it Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:49 - 1:01:52)
is, that'll all be in the in the current gymnasium.

[Speaker 9] (1:01:52 - 1:01:59)
Was there some point that there was no not going to be any entertainment space at some point or is there always was that always in the plan?

[Speaker 8] (1:01:59 - 1:01:59)
I think there was

[Speaker 4] (1:01:59 - 1:02:00)
Ever

[Speaker 8] (1:02:00 - 1:02:00)
always

[Speaker 4] (1:02:00 - 1:02:00)
since

[Speaker 8] (1:02:00 - 1:02:00)
a I ballroom.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:00 - 1:02:00)
saw,

[Speaker 8] (1:02:00 - 1:02:00)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (1:02:00 - 1:02:01)
there's

[Speaker 8] (1:02:01 - 1:02:01)
think there was

[Speaker 4] (1:02:01 - 1:02:01)
always

[Speaker 8] (1:02:01 - 1:02:01)
ever.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:01 - 1:02:02)
the ballroom, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:02:02 - 1:02:02)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:02 - 1:02:09)
Yeah, and this once again those windows are kind of fogged up as well. Once we put those new windows it'll be

[Speaker 1] (1:02:10 - 1:02:13)
a lot of natural light and it'll be overlooking Lenskart Park, which will be quite nice.

[Speaker 10] (1:02:13 - 1:02:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:13 - 1:02:14)
Very grand.

[Speaker 10] (1:02:14 - 1:02:17)
How is that A_D_A_ accessible if you have to go up the stairs?

[Speaker 1] (1:02:18 - 1:02:22)
The A_D_A_ access point is through the new construction over here. So that elevator tower,

[Speaker 10] (1:02:23 - 1:02:23)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:23 - 1:02:25)
that'll have uh the the A_D_A_ access point.

[Speaker 10] (1:02:25 - 1:02:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:30 - 1:02:32)
So were there any real changes to this?

[Speaker 1] (1:02:33 - 1:02:33)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:33 - 1:02:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:02:34 - 1:02:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:02:40 - 1:02:41)
On to the second floor.

[Speaker 9] (1:02:42 - 1:02:45)
So just a quick question. So the guest rooms,

[Speaker 9] (1:02:45 - 1:02:48)
you've got kind of, it's kind of interesting,

[Speaker 9] (1:02:48 - 1:02:51)
you've got them kind of littered in different groups.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:52 - 1:02:58)
Yeah, so each of these quadrants in the main building at least, you know, those are all one classroom.

[Speaker 9] (1:02:59 - 1:02:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:59 - 1:03:00)
currently.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:00 - 1:03:04)
And so each of those classrooms is give or take 800-ish square feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:05 - 1:03:07)
So we're going to put a demising wall down the middle.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:07 - 1:03:10)
Each of these now hotel rooms will have two very big windows.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:10 - 1:03:13)
So from a layout standpoint it works well.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:13 - 1:03:14)
That leaves taking

[Speaker 9] (1:03:14 - 1:03:15)
So the average,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:15 - 1:03:15)
into account

[Speaker 9] (1:03:15 - 1:03:17)
the average size would be about 400.

[Speaker 10] (1:03:17 - 1:03:17)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:17 - 1:03:17)
I was going to say a

[Speaker 1] (1:03:17 - 1:03:17)
little

[Speaker 4] (1:03:17 - 1:03:18)
what's the

[Speaker 1] (1:03:18 - 1:03:18)
bit

[Speaker 4] (1:03:18 - 1:03:20)
range of room sizes that you have throughout the whole property?

[Speaker 1] (1:03:20 - 1:03:22)
All of these rooms are kind of 325,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:22 - 1:03:25)
350-ish because there's the corridor so that takes up square footage.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:25 - 1:03:26)
Our footage, it's a tenorized size hotel room.

[Speaker 10] (1:03:26 - 1:03:27)
Yeah?

[Speaker 1] (1:03:27 - 1:03:36)
Yeah, now it's a nice size. Um and we're retaining these coat closets uh or the the cubby closets um those will be the bathrooms on these

[Speaker 1] (1:03:36 - 1:03:40)
uh the the hotel rooms that are kind of closer to the stairwell.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:40 - 1:03:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:40 - 1:03:42)
Um so those will be retained, kind of unique.

[Speaker 10] (1:03:43 - 1:03:44)
Mm.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:44 - 1:03:46)
Great. So you're you're not retaining any plumbing I mean it is all

[Speaker 1] (1:03:46 - 1:03:46)
No.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:46 - 1:03:47)
from

[Speaker 10] (1:03:47 - 1:03:47)
Oh.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:47 - 1:03:48)
start.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:48 - 1:03:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:52 - 1:03:52)
Ha,

[Speaker 11] (1:03:52 - 1:03:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:52 - 1:03:53)
ha, ha, ha.

[Speaker 10] (1:03:54 - 1:03:55)
God, no.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:57 - 1:03:58)
We on the second floor?

[Speaker 10] (1:03:58 - 1:03:59)
Second floor.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:59 - 1:04:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:01 - 1:04:02)
So did you change the

[Speaker 1] (1:04:02 - 1:04:02)
One more down.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:02 - 1:04:06)
um the gym, that's change locations, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:06 - 1:04:10)
Yep, so the gym uh keep going, keep going down.

[Speaker 9] (1:04:10 - 1:04:11)
Oh, their gym.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:11 - 1:04:12)
So the gym is

[Speaker 4] (1:04:12 - 1:04:13)
Our the new gym, the hotel gym.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:13 - 1:04:16)
So this is the um

[Speaker 1] (1:04:17 - 1:04:19)
the mezzanine ceiling level

[Speaker 10] (1:04:19 - 1:04:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:19 - 1:04:33)
uh that's currently there and we had originally looked at putting a hotel room there and putting a wall that that's, you know, opened down to the ball room. So now we'll have you know put in a wall there and we'll have some sort of decoration to, you know, make it aesthetically pleasing. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:04:34 - 1:04:41)
But this actually works, because it's poured concrete steps and it's very hard to make that work as a hotel room.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:41 - 1:04:52)
Not to mention this window over here is actually quite small, so for if this was to be a hotel suite for example, 'cause that's about seven hundred square feet, it'd be kind of odd because there's this very small window in a very big room.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:53 - 1:05:00)
So we decided to we need to put the gym somewhere and we put it here, it's on the second floor so it's kind of out of the main flow of the

[Speaker 1] (1:05:00 - 1:05:01)
of the hotel lobby.

[Speaker 10] (1:05:01 - 1:05:01)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:01 - 1:05:04)
Um obviously for hotel guests only for the gym.

[Speaker 10] (1:05:04 - 1:05:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:06 - 1:05:17)
Um and there's enough square footage where we'll we'll kind of flatten off part of it. So there will be two levels um, you know, where exactly we put you know the treadmills and the weights to be determined, but

[Speaker 10] (1:05:17 - 1:05:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:17 - 1:05:18)
it'll be kind of two levels here.

[Speaker 12] (1:05:20 - 1:05:20)
What was

[Speaker 9] (1:05:20 - 1:05:20)
So the

[Speaker 12] (1:05:20 - 1:05:20)
so

[Speaker 9] (1:05:20 - 1:05:21)
so that's

[Speaker 12] (1:05:21 - 1:05:24)
did you have a spa did I remember it being a spa or is it just a gym?

[Speaker 1] (1:05:24 - 1:05:29)
Just a gym. We we couldn't really fit the spa in. We would like to. We have spas at our other properties.

[Speaker 10] (1:05:29 - 1:05:29)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:29 - 1:05:31)
They just got pretty tight.

[Speaker 10] (1:05:31 - 1:05:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:31 - 1:05:31)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:05:33 - 1:05:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:34 - 1:05:39)
So there's two columns to the right in there. Those that open space what is that? Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:39 - 1:05:44)
Yes. So that is kind of open to below, as they say in plan. So that's the the ballroom.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:44 - 1:05:46)
Oh, you're looking down.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:46 - 1:05:47)
Yeah, but you won't be able

[Speaker 9] (1:05:47 - 1:05:47)
You

[Speaker 1] (1:05:47 - 1:05:47)
to

[Speaker 9] (1:05:47 - 1:05:47)
won't

[Speaker 1] (1:05:47 - 1:05:47)
see

[Speaker 9] (1:05:47 - 1:05:47)
be able to see

[Speaker 1] (1:05:47 - 1:05:48)
it that'll

[Speaker 9] (1:05:48 - 1:05:48)
it.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:48 - 1:05:48)
Just

[Speaker 1] (1:05:48 - 1:05:48)
be

[Speaker 4] (1:05:48 - 1:05:50)
so they can have the cathedral ceiling effect.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:50 - 1:06:01)
Yeah, yeah, it's like 25 foot ceilings in the ballroom, in the gymnasium. And we're retaining the stage, so that will be if there's a band playing,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:01 - 1:06:02)
they need a stage.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:02 - 1:06:04)
So that won't change.

[Speaker 10] (1:06:05 - 1:06:06)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:06 - 1:06:08)
As I said in the annex,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:08 - 1:06:11)
again the annex is just all rooms. There's no real change there.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:14 - 1:06:16)
They have different size rooms, obviously.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:17 - 1:06:27)
Yeah, there's um a number of different size rooms. Um the annex, some of the rooms in the annex are a bit tighter, um but then again we have some larger rooms uh in the main building.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:27 - 1:06:29)
Are some of them designed to be suites where they can

[Speaker 1] (1:06:29 - 1:06:29)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:06:29 - 1:06:30)
open

[Speaker 1] (1:06:30 - 1:06:30)
three.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:30 - 1:06:30)
between?

[Speaker 4] (1:06:30 - 1:06:32)
Yeah, as Bade will see, I think if you

[Speaker 1] (1:06:32 - 1:06:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:32 - 1:06:32)
were to

[Speaker 4] (1:06:34 - 1:06:34)
Terraces.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:34 - 1:06:35)
Alright. Keep going down.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:35 - 1:06:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:38 - 1:06:43)
Uh one more, this is just the more detailed. Uh more. NX is all sweets, keep going.

[Speaker 12] (1:06:46 - 1:06:46)
Hello?

[Speaker 1] (1:06:47 - 1:07:01)
Yep, so here now we're on the top floor of the main building and these three rooms here have kind of a natural terraces over a roof that Yes. exists there. So those will have

[Speaker 1] (1:07:02 - 1:07:04)
Young, very nice terraces overlooking Linscott Park,

[Speaker 1] (1:07:04 - 1:07:05)
which'll be quite nice.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:05 - 1:07:19)
Um this room is uh a suite here that also connects to the adjoining room. So if you're a family travelling, you can have you know kids in one room. Um and we have a few other connecting rooms throughout the rest of the property as well to accommodate families. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:07:21 - 1:07:22)
And that's

[Speaker 1] (1:07:25 - 1:07:27)
Yeah, some of these rooms here, which yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:07:27 - 1:07:33)
so now remember. So I think these are the bathrooms. Well, we were able to put one bedroom in there.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:33 - 1:07:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:33 - 1:07:41)
I think this was a break room here. So those are kind of funky smaller rooms that will, you know, not be as big, but they'll have a certain element of charm and even in

[Speaker 4] (1:07:42 - 1:07:45)
But yelling as big as what, two hundred and

[Speaker 10] (1:07:45 - 1:07:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:07:45 - 1:07:45)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:07:45 - 1:07:45)
sixty

[Speaker 10] (1:07:45 - 1:07:45)
I think.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:45 - 1:07:47)
there's nothing smaller than 250,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:47 - 1:07:48)
okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:07:48 - 1:07:48)
I don't think.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:48 - 1:07:49)
so that's still a big,

[Speaker 10] (1:07:49 - 1:07:50)
Good size.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:50 - 1:07:50)
very

[Speaker 1] (1:07:50 - 1:07:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:50 - 1:07:50)
good size

[Speaker 1] (1:07:50 - 1:07:52)
And if you're just a single traveler,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:52 - 1:07:53)
lot of seats.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:53 - 1:07:54)
it's fine.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:57 - 1:08:00)
So that's that. If we want to keep going,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:00 - 1:08:02)
we can show you, I think, the updated roof plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:02 - 1:08:03)
which is just a more detailed,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:03 - 1:08:05)
just a more detailed drawing.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:05 - 1:08:05)
Keep going.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:07 - 1:08:08)
That's the roof of the annex.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:10 - 1:08:11)
One more.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:12 - 1:08:13)
Yeah, here we go.

[Speaker 9] (1:08:14 - 1:08:14)
At the last.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:14 - 1:08:17)
So this is the roof of the main building,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:18 - 1:08:19)
the original Hadley building.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:20 - 1:08:37)
This stair tower and the stair well, that extends up from the basement, so that's how you will that's how we'll service the rooftop. But the rooftop is fundamentally just going to be wide open, except for the extension of this stair tower, which we need for two means of egress from the roof.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:37 - 1:08:49)
Um we've put our bathrooms here. We actually originally had them over here, um but there was actually a good recommendation from uh one of the previous public hearings to have, instead of having three masses,

[Speaker 4] (1:08:49 - 1:08:49)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:49 - 1:08:58)
to try and consolidate so that was actually no uh a good recommendation and we uh integrated it into this latest plan. So this will be the stair tower,

[Speaker 1] (1:08:59 - 1:09:05)
bathrooms and then the bar but otherwise this is all open there's no um no pergola system, no roof,

[Speaker 10] (1:09:05 - 1:09:05)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:09:05 - 1:09:07)
it's not a four seasons base at all.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:08 - 1:09:08)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:08 - 1:09:13)
My colleagues on the planning board who provided that recommendation will be very happy that you guys followed through on it.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:15 - 1:09:20)
Yeah, and it makes it actually makes the plumbing easier 'cause we don't have to run it from over there, it's all consolidated.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:20 - 1:09:21)
Consolidate the stacks.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:21 - 1:09:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:22 - 1:09:25)
And so how is the roof open, closed? Like what

[Speaker 10] (1:09:26 - 1:09:29)
What is the, it's not a closed in, is it a closed in?

[Speaker 2] (1:09:30 - 1:09:37)
No, this is completely open. I mean if we have some, you know, umbrellas or you know some shading uh but it won't be nothing official.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:37 - 1:09:38)
It's really seasonal with furniture.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:39 - 1:09:39)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:39 - 1:09:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:43 - 1:09:48)
Is there, if there isn't a conference space or any type of breakout rooms or anything like that?

[Speaker 2] (1:09:48 - 1:09:51)
If you want to go back down to the ballroom,

[Speaker 4] (1:09:51 - 1:09:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:51 - 1:09:56)
because the ballroom actually does have that, there's currently an air wall there currently underneath the mezzanine seating.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:56 - 1:09:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:56 - 1:10:00)
So we do anticipate to have a new air wall.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:00 - 1:10:04)
So the ballroom will break up into kind of a 70-30 split.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:04 - 1:10:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:05 - 1:10:06)
So if you're having a party,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:06 - 1:10:07)
a smaller party,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:07 - 1:10:08)
and you don't want to...

[Speaker 2] (1:10:08 - 1:10:09)
You like they're swimming in the big ballroom,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:09 - 1:10:10)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:10 - 1:10:10)
it'll divide up.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:10 - 1:10:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:11 - 1:10:13)
What's the largest party that you can accommodate it?

[Speaker 2] (1:10:14 - 1:10:15)
I think the seating plan

[Speaker 4] (1:10:15 - 1:10:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:15 - 1:10:15)
is

[Speaker 4] (1:10:15 - 1:10:16)
144 is it?

[Speaker 4] (1:10:16 - 1:10:17)
It is.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:17 - 1:10:17)
it 144?

[Speaker 2] (1:10:18 - 1:10:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:18 - 1:10:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:19 - 1:10:19)
Um

[Speaker 3] (1:10:19 - 1:10:20)
Yeah, seating for 144.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:20 - 1:10:24)
so call it 150, if you have you know, the the bridal party on the stage.

[Speaker 3] (1:10:24 - 1:10:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:10:24 - 1:10:24)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:25 - 1:10:26)
That's perfect, that's great.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:27 - 1:10:35)
And for a fifty eight key hotel roughly, um that's a fine size. I mean if you have a massive ballroom and only fifty rooms, that's kind of odd. So

[Speaker 1] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:36 - 1:10:37)
proportionally it's okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:37 - 1:10:38)
The scale. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:38 - 1:10:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:38 - 1:10:40)
Goin going back up to the roof top.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:40 - 1:10:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:41 - 1:10:48)
So is that all removable material that you would take seasonally out or is removable just to be able to service the roof underneath?

[Speaker 2] (1:10:48 - 1:10:50)
When you say what do you mean for the removal?

[Speaker 5] (1:10:50 - 1:10:52)
Well, it's talking about removable deck tiles,

[Speaker 5] (1:10:52 - 1:10:53)
uh...

[Speaker 2] (1:10:53 - 1:10:56)
Oh, so that's just so the I paid decking

[Speaker 5] (1:10:56 - 1:10:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:56 - 1:11:00)
if there's like a puncture in the membrane below you need to be able to yeah

[Speaker 5] (1:11:00 - 1:11:03)
That was my point. Yeah. Okay, but otherwise it would stay throughout.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:03 - 1:11:04)
Yeah, that's all gonna stay

[Speaker 2] (1:11:05 - 1:11:05)
Yep

[Speaker 5] (1:11:05 - 1:11:06)
Open to the weather.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:07 - 1:11:08)
Have you thought about how you're going to screen?

[Speaker 3] (1:11:08 - 1:11:11)
screen the utilities, rooftop utilities.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:11 - 1:11:15)
Yeah, whether it's kind of a hedged or a fence.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:16 - 1:11:16)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:16 - 1:11:17)
Something like that. Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:11:17 - 1:11:18)
okay. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:20 - 1:11:25)
And what's the plan going to be for containing sound off of that deck?

[Speaker 2] (1:11:25 - 1:11:27)
Well, we'll comply with the town noise ordinance.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:28 - 1:11:35)
I don't think there's you can't have amplified music inside or on the roof. So whatever the town ordinance calls for will comply with.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:36 - 1:11:48)
Has there been any thought to um community space or com space of the community would be you know not earmarked for or space that they could use? Because I know that did come up at one point.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:48 - 1:11:58)
Yeah. Um what we had talked about is making, you know, a portion of the again the meeting space, which is not that big, but maybe it's that smaller portion of the ballroom, if that's available, you know, given plenty of notice

[Speaker 4] (1:11:58 - 1:11:58)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:58 - 1:11:59)
um for

[Speaker 3] (1:12:00 - 1:12:01)
Whatever. Something.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:03 - 1:12:04)
Do we have any other questions?

[Speaker 1] (1:12:06 - 1:12:06)
Dwayne?

[Speaker 5] (1:12:08 - 1:12:11)
Unless it's a lot to absorb. It's great.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:12 - 1:12:12)
Looks beautiful

[Speaker 2] (1:12:12 - 1:12:13)
Whoop.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:13 - 1:12:13)
though.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:14 - 1:12:16)
Now we'll probably move on to process conversation,

[Speaker 3] (1:12:16 - 1:12:23)
but when do you think you will be ready to file for your site plan with our colleagues on the planning board?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:23 - 1:12:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:24 - 1:12:30)
We'll all have to have we've gotten our you know this plan here We're now kind of going in through phase one of VE'ing the plan

[Speaker 3] (1:12:30 - 1:12:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:31 - 1:12:35)
so I'll I'm not sure yet what we're working on.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:35 - 1:12:39)
Is there is there a document here that just

[Speaker 5] (1:12:40 - 1:12:42)
kind of gives the overview of how many rooms

[Speaker 4] (1:12:43 - 1:12:44)
It's 57.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:44 - 1:12:46)
Right now it's 57.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:46 - 1:12:46)
Fifty-eight,

[Speaker 4] (1:12:46 - 1:12:46)
Fifty

[Speaker 3] (1:12:46 - 1:12:46)
right?

[Speaker 4] (1:12:46 - 1:12:47)
eight.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:47 - 1:12:47)
Can you see a 58, Keith?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:47 - 1:12:48)
I forget.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:48 - 1:12:49)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:12:49 - 1:12:49)
Somebody

[Speaker 4] (1:12:49 - 1:12:49)
thought it was 57.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:49 - 1:12:49)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:12:49 - 1:12:49)
Yeah. I thought

[Speaker 2] (1:12:49 - 1:12:50)
can see

[Speaker 4] (1:12:50 - 1:12:50)
I saw

[Speaker 2] (1:12:50 - 1:12:50)
somebody

[Speaker 3] (1:12:50 - 1:12:50)
I saw that

[Speaker 4] (1:12:50 - 1:12:50)
that

[Speaker 3] (1:12:50 - 1:12:50)
in the

[Speaker 2] (1:12:50 - 1:12:50)
in

[Speaker 4] (1:12:50 - 1:12:50)
somewhere.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:50 - 1:12:51)
here. the air.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:51 - 1:12:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:51 - 1:12:51)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 5] (1:12:51 - 1:12:52)
Oh, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 2] (1:12:52 - 1:12:52)
can

[Speaker 5] (1:12:52 - 1:12:52)
I apologize.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:52 - 1:12:52)
forget.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:52 - 1:12:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:53 - 1:12:55)
Yeah. It is in here.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:56 - 1:12:57)
I think it's 57.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:58 - 1:13:00)
The most allowed in the zone is 60.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:01 - 1:13:01)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:13:01 - 1:13:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:01 - 1:13:02)
it won't be more than 60.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:02 - 1:13:07)
And max occupancy with all rooms included of for guests is how many?

[Speaker 2] (1:13:07 - 1:13:10)
No, if it's two rooms per person times, you know, fifty eight.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:10 - 1:13:12)
Oh they know twelve, something like that.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:12 - 1:13:13)
So I didn't under three or you have

[Speaker 3] (1:13:13 - 1:13:14)
No I guess you

[Speaker 4] (1:13:14 - 1:13:15)
Oh, could I don't know, I don't know this is the the maximum

[Speaker 5] (1:13:15 - 1:13:16)
but

[Speaker 4] (1:13:16 - 1:13:17)
maximum occupancy.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:18 - 1:13:18)
it

[Speaker 2] (1:13:18 - 1:13:19)
Two people per room?

[Speaker 5] (1:13:19 - 1:13:19)
Is that your max?

[Speaker 6] (1:13:19 - 1:13:20)
Two or three, maybe.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:20 - 1:13:27)
Uh, I mean if you're travelling with a kid and we have a trundle bed, um, you know something that we bring up, so I can't imagine being

[Speaker 5] (1:13:27 - 1:13:27)
But not

[Speaker 2] (1:13:27 - 1:13:27)
three.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:27 - 1:13:31)
like there's like uh other hotel rooms you have two queens and you'll have four people.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:31 - 1:13:33)
Oh, if it's two people per queen, yeah, we do have some

[Speaker 5] (1:13:33 - 1:13:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:33 - 1:13:34)
double queen rooms uh

[Speaker 5] (1:13:34 - 1:13:35)
Yeah, so you could

[Speaker 2] (1:13:35 - 1:13:35)
for you families.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:35 - 1:13:37)
ha you could have a max occupancy of four,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:37 - 1:13:38)
okay?

[Speaker 2] (1:13:38 - 1:13:38)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:38 - 1:13:39)
Okay, that's what I was getting.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:40 - 1:13:40)
very

[Speaker 2] (1:13:40 - 1:13:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:40 - 1:13:40)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:40 - 1:13:42)
Yeah. So th th both both

[Speaker 5] (1:13:42 - 1:13:47)
Max total, I mean your projected total might be two per room, but your max total would be

[Speaker 3] (1:13:49 - 1:13:52)
I looked there weren't there there were a handful of double double queens

[Speaker 2] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
but it wasn't

[Speaker 4] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:13:52 - 1:13:53)
Fifty fifty.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:53 - 1:13:53)
that's

[Speaker 3] (1:13:53 - 1:13:53)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:53 - 1:13:54)
not

[Speaker 3] (1:13:54 - 1:13:54)
There are more king

[Speaker 2] (1:13:54 - 1:13:57)
I think we have eight, I think it's eight double queens.

[Speaker 3] (1:13:58 - 1:13:58)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:13:58 - 1:13:59)
Okay, so potentially

[Speaker 2] (1:13:59 - 1:14:01)
I think Hermes is for more than that.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:01 - 1:14:02)
So 204.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:02 - 1:14:02)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:14:02 - 1:14:03)
somewhere around 200.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:03 - 1:14:04)
Oh, hundred thirty two hundred

[Speaker 3] (1:14:04 - 1:14:04)
You

[Speaker 5] (1:14:04 - 1:14:04)
or so.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:04 - 1:14:04)
p

[Speaker 5] (1:14:04 - 1:14:05)
A hundred thirty two hundred twenty,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:05 - 1:14:05)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:05 - 1:14:06)
something like that. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:07 - 1:14:07)
Alright.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:08 - 1:14:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:09 - 1:14:11)
Anybody have any other questions for Mr.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:11 - 1:14:12)
Manley?

[Speaker 3] (1:14:12 - 1:14:25)
I would just from my experience on the planning board I would give yourself enough runway to make sure you get your approval in time for final feedback from this board per the LDA timeline.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:25 - 1:14:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
That this looks really nice.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:14:28 - 1:14:28)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:28 - 1:14:29)
great.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
We're

[Speaker 2] (1:14:29 - 1:14:29)
very

[Speaker 4] (1:14:29 - 1:14:31)
very excited. excited for it. So that's

[Speaker 7] (1:14:31 - 1:14:32)
And I would like

[Speaker 4] (1:14:32 - 1:14:32)
yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:32 - 1:14:38)
to also underline we talked to Dixon weekly unless there's a reason to push.

[Speaker 7] (1:14:38 - 1:14:42)
So we will also be in touch to make sure that any support he needs from the town side he's getting,

[Speaker 7] (1:14:42 - 1:14:48)
but it's a standing meeting that Marcy and myself and Dixon have as well.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:49 - 1:14:49)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:51 - 1:14:52)
Thank you again for coming in.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:52 - 1:14:53)
La last

[Speaker 7] (1:14:53 - 1:14:53)
Gentlemen.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:53 - 1:14:55)
question for you. Do you guys operate your own restaurants on site? I feel like

[Speaker 2] (1:14:55 - 1:14:55)
We do.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:55 - 1:14:56)
I'm never here when you say that. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:57 - 1:14:57)
Fair enough.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:57 - 1:15:02)
We right now we do we have leased them out in the past and we might lease this one out to be frank.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:02 - 1:15:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:03 - 1:15:06)
Um but at this current time we do operate all of our restaurants.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:07 - 1:15:07)
Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:07 - 1:15:07)
How big

[Speaker 2] (1:15:07 - 1:15:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:08 - 1:15:10)
will the restaurant be in terms of capacity?

[Speaker 2] (1:15:11 - 1:15:17)
I think we have roughly a hundred seats in the current plan maybe a little less maybe 80.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:18 - 1:15:19)
Something.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:19 - 1:15:21)
It depends on kind of how you lay out some of the

[Speaker 4] (1:15:21 - 1:15:21)
The recreation,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:21 - 1:15:21)
like the yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:21 - 1:15:22)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:22 - 1:15:24)
And do you still plan on having the outdoor dining?

[Speaker 2] (1:15:25 - 1:15:25)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:25 - 1:15:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:26 - 1:15:26)
Yeah. Okay, good.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:27 - 1:15:30)
Yeah. And I shared some photos of our um our existing

[Speaker 4] (1:15:30 - 1:15:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:30 - 1:15:36)
properties and the restaurants to give, you know, won't be exactly that, but the type of aesthetic that we try and create at our in our restaurants and the outdoor areas.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:37 - 1:15:37)
That's great.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:37 - 1:15:41)
So you'll bring you'll then transport the food

[Speaker 5] (1:15:41 - 1:15:43)
from the main kitchen up to the top.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:43 - 1:15:45)
So for the rooftop,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:45 - 1:15:45)
And it's contained

[Speaker 2] (1:15:45 - 1:15:47)
we're not anticipating to have a full

[Speaker 4] (1:15:47 - 1:15:47)
on the bar.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:47 - 1:15:48)
rep. Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:48 - 1:15:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:48 - 1:15:55)
that'll be if we have to serve some snacks, we will, but it's not going to be a full restaurant on the rooftop by any means. That'll be just for

[Speaker 4] (1:15:55 - 1:15:56)
It's on the main lounge.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:56 - 1:15:56)
Cocktails.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:56 - 1:15:57)
cocktails.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:57 - 1:15:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:58 - 1:15:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:58 - 1:15:58)
Sunset.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:00 - 1:16:00)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:01 - 1:16:02)
Well, thank you

[Speaker 3] (1:16:02 - 1:16:03)
again. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:03 - 1:16:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:03 - 1:16:03)
Thanks

[Speaker 5] (1:16:03 - 1:16:04)
Thanks very much.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:04 - 1:16:04)
again.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:04 - 1:16:04)
Awesome.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:05 - 1:16:06)
That's great.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:06 - 1:16:13)
So Marcia, could you just walk us through kind of between now and opening,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:13 - 1:16:14)
because I know

[Speaker 2] (1:16:14 - 1:16:22)
Um that's kind of in the contract generally for the L_E_A_ excuse me. Could you just walk us through kind of process and timeline for us to have a better understanding?

[Speaker 8] (1:16:22 - 1:16:35)
Absolutely, it would be my pleasure. Um so as as um you had mentioned alluded to earlier, the developer has until May twenty-seventh to complete all of their permitting, meaning going through a site plan review, um

[Speaker 5] (1:16:35 - 1:16:36)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (1:16:36 - 1:16:47)
um sort of review by the historical commission if there's any demolition or any external work on the project that they would also review it prior to issuing of the building permit.

[Speaker 8] (1:16:48 - 1:16:57)
They will also have to secure all of their finance financing in addition to securing all of the permits and that is all due by February of 2027.

[Speaker 8] (1:16:57 - 1:17:02)
After that the town will also execute or select what

[Speaker 8] (1:17:02 - 1:17:28)
will execute the lease agreement with the with the developer during that time as well and then construction will probably take about 24 months or so so that would bring us into February of 2029 and everything goes well the hotel should be open by November of 2029 or at least that's what we had established

[Speaker 8] (1:17:28 - 1:17:32)
wish why identified in the LDA as the timeline.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:32 - 1:17:34)
Can you send us the timeline?

[Speaker 8] (1:17:35 - 1:17:36)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:36 - 1:17:41)
Dixon, does that timeline still match with what you're hearing from your GCs?

[Speaker 3] (1:17:42 - 1:17:42)
Cool.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:43 - 1:17:43)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
Thank

[Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
you.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:44 - 1:17:44)
you, Marcy.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:44 - 1:17:45)
That's awesome.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:47 - 1:17:47)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:47 - 1:17:48)
Thanks for coming.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:48 - 1:17:49)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 8] (1:17:49 - 1:17:49)
Thank you, Dixon.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:51 - 1:17:58)
Okay, we're now moving on to discussion and possible vote on fiscal year-end transfers. Patrick Luddy, you are up.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:59 - 1:18:00)
How are you?

[Speaker 9] (1:18:01 - 1:18:01)
I'm good.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:01 - 1:18:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:03 - 1:18:10)
So tonight I have for you year-end transfers for fiscal year 2026.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:10 - 1:18:13)
As you know, we just ended our fiscal year on June 30th.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:15 - 1:18:24)
Annually the Select Board and the Finance Committee have an opportunity to review departmental budgets that have run over budget and those that have run under and

[Speaker 9] (1:18:26 - 1:18:33)
I will make a recommendation to you to transfer between those departments to balance our budget out as we close the year.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:33 - 1:18:36)
So I do have a list of transfers that was provided to you.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:37 - 1:18:47)
The total transfers are about $285,000 for comparison. Last year it was, excuse me.

[Speaker 9] (1:18:48 - 1:19:15)
$663,000 and the year prior to that it was $479,000 so this is lower than what we've seen the last couple years it's reflective of you know the budgeting that we've been doing and we haven't had any you know crazy variances this year I think the largest transfer in is to the fire department related to overtime costs so I'll highlight that

[Speaker 9] (1:19:15 - 1:19:20)
We had some increased labor for DPW related to the trash strike.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:20 - 1:19:45)
due to the trash strike, and um fire department expenses, we purchased the ladder truck, and the bid came slightly over, so we used operating for that. And there was some extraordinary street lighting maintenance costs in D_P_W_ as well. Um and in terms of budget savings, the largest area we had had seen some savings in was employee benefits, so you'll see I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:19:45 - 1:19:50)
suggesting a $97,000 transfer out of there and um

[Speaker 2] (1:19:51 - 1:19:52)
Is that health insurance?

[Speaker 3] (1:19:52 - 1:19:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:52 - 1:19:53)
health insurance, yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:54 - 1:19:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:54 - 1:20:02)
Yep and the uh the other largest transfer here is out of the solid waste expenses to cover the solid waste, you know, the D_P_W_ labour.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:03 - 1:20:06)
So we had some savings from uh the contract.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:07 - 1:20:10)
JRM contract that was not completely fulfilled during the strike.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:11 - 1:20:14)
Could I ask the increased labor for DPW recycling pickup to strike,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:14 - 1:20:16)
is that not something we were able,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:17 - 1:20:19)
wasn't there negotiation happening whether or not they would cover,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:19 - 1:20:24)
Republic was going to cover some of our extra costs during that time or no,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:24 - 1:20:24)
am I misremembering?

[Speaker 5] (1:20:24 - 1:20:31)
They, prior to my arriving, they credited some of, like I think the first three months of the fiscal year.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:32 - 1:20:32)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:32 - 1:20:34)
Our costs were significantly lowered,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:34 - 1:20:35)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:35 - 1:20:35)
and

[Speaker 4] (1:20:35 - 1:20:36)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:20:36 - 1:20:38)
so I believe that is where these savings would have come from.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:38 - 1:20:41)
We're using those savings to pay for the DPW labor,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:41)
but

[Speaker 4] (1:20:41 - 1:20:41)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:41 - 1:20:43)
it's two different budget lines.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:43 - 1:20:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:43 - 1:20:44)
Oh, those are two different lines?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:44 - 1:20:44)
Yep, exactly.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:44 - 1:20:47)
Okay, so just so we summarize that,

[Speaker 6] (1:20:47 - 1:20:51)
we did have a savings and that savings is going to be covering this line.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:51 - 1:20:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:51 - 1:20:51)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:51 - 1:20:52)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:20:52 - 1:20:52)
So there

[Speaker 4] (1:20:52 - 1:20:52)
you get

[Speaker 7] (1:20:52 - 1:20:52)
was more

[Speaker 4] (1:20:52 - 1:20:52)
it

[Speaker 7] (1:20:52 - 1:20:54)
than $41,000 in savings.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:54 - 1:20:55)
It was more than that.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:55 - 1:20:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:55 - 1:20:56)
That's what's required to cover

[Speaker 7] (1:20:56 - 1:20:56)
What

[Speaker 1] (1:20:56 - 1:20:57)
the

[Speaker 7] (1:20:57 - 1:20:58)
happens to that other?

[Speaker 7] (1:20:58 - 1:20:59)
Under this, well.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:59 - 1:21:01)
The overage or extra savings.

[Speaker 8] (1:21:01 - 1:21:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:02 - 1:21:02)
That

[Speaker 8] (1:21:02 - 1:21:02)
just

[Speaker 1] (1:21:02 - 1:21:02)
will close

[Speaker 8] (1:21:02 - 1:21:03)
to keep it free cash or?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:03 - 1:21:10)
to the enterprise fund, so it would be retained earnings. We can use it towards, you know, future years for the contract or whatnot.

[Speaker 8] (1:21:11 - 1:21:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:11 - 1:21:19)
So I have a couple questions. How is it possible that we uh we ran over on lifeguards? We we budget this. So

[Speaker 4] (1:21:19 - 1:21:21)
We didn't this is different though this year, right?

[Speaker 4] (1:21:21 - 1:21:24)
It's coming from a different spot than it has previously.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:24 - 1:21:28)
Yes, so the transfer in for the lifeguards

[Speaker 7] (1:21:29 - 1:21:29)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:29 - 1:21:36)
It came to my attention that not all of the lifeguard expense that was incurred in July and August, so last summer,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:36 - 1:21:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:37 - 1:21:39)
not all of that was captured in this line.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:39 - 1:21:41)
Some of it was charged incorrectly to rec revolving. So

[Speaker 4] (1:21:41 - 1:21:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:42 - 1:21:43)
this accounts for that.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:45 - 1:21:46)
Wait, explain that again?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:47 - 1:21:50)
Some of the salary expense for lifeguards.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:50 - 1:21:52)
At the beginning of fiscal 26,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:52 - 1:21:55)
was incorrectly charged to rec revolving.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:55 - 1:21:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:55 - 1:21:57)
So now we're at year-end,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:57 - 1:21:59)
ticking and tying,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:59 - 1:22:03)
caught that. So we need 15 more thousand dollars in there to cover it.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:03 - 1:22:05)
So that has to go back into the revolving account?

[Speaker 1] (1:22:05 - 1:22:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:06 - 1:22:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:08 - 1:22:15)
But still, we had a line item for lifeguards. We just went completely over that line item?

[Speaker 6] (1:22:16 - 1:22:18)
Did we under budget for the line item or was

[Speaker 1] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
At

[Speaker 6] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
it just

[Speaker 1] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
I think

[Speaker 6] (1:22:18 - 1:22:20)
that we took it from the wrong spot?

[Speaker 4] (1:22:20 - 1:22:21)
I think we took it from the wrong spot.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:21 - 1:22:29)
I think both. We took it from the wrong spot, and I think going forward the budget needs to be higher than what it was set at historically for that, yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:29 - 1:22:38)
Okay and can you also look into legally can we be using the revolving account for some of these activities like

[Speaker 6] (1:22:38 - 1:22:42)
lifeguards or community bigger community events okay

[Speaker 1] (1:22:42 - 1:22:51)
Yeah, I've had a couple conversations with Charlotte about that already, and we're going to continue to talk about it and bring more information to you before we do the next budget.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:51 - 1:22:55)
so my next question is harbormaster salaries how

[Speaker 1] (1:22:55 - 1:22:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:56 - 1:22:56)
That's right.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:56 - 1:22:58)
do we go how do we go over that I mean

[Speaker 1] (1:22:59 - 1:23:01)
So there's

[Speaker 7] (1:23:01 - 1:23:02)
10% or 6%.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:02 - 1:23:04)
a few officers that will backfill.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:04 - 1:23:05)
um

[Speaker 4] (1:23:05 - 1:23:05)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:05 - 1:23:05)
at

[Speaker 4] (1:23:05 - 1:23:06)
that's a lot.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:06 - 1:23:10)
an overtime rate in the Harbor Master area,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:10 - 1:23:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:10 - 1:23:15)
and so from July and August. So beginning of fiscal 26

[Speaker 5] (1:23:15 - 1:23:15)
26.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:15 - 1:23:19)
thank you, been three years now. Um

[Speaker 1] (1:23:20 - 1:23:22)
the there was an overage.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:22 - 1:23:23)
So...

[Speaker 6] (1:23:24 - 1:23:28)
Police officers have to cover that on overtime?

[Speaker 6] (1:23:28 - 1:23:29)
Is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:29 - 1:23:30)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:30 - 1:23:33)
there's some overtime attributable to the harbormaster operations,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:33 - 1:23:33)
yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:39 - 1:23:44)
And is that essentially if the harbormaster is on PTO or something like that and we need another officer to cover the...

[Speaker 7] (1:23:45 - 1:23:46)
the duty

[Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
is what I it

[Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
think is it's

[Speaker 7] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:52)
that or if there's like a specific, you know, event or high need, you might have someone else come in to help.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:52 - 1:23:57)
And don't we have non-police officers who are also on the harbormaster staff?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:59 - 1:24:01)
I believe there's one other individual.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:01 - 1:24:04)
And are we using that individual?

[Speaker 6] (1:24:04 - 1:24:05)
Do you know?

[Speaker 5] (1:24:05 - 1:24:08)
I do not know that answer for right now. I can talk to Lieutenant

[Speaker 6] (1:24:08 - 1:24:09)
I don't think

[Speaker 5] (1:24:09 - 1:24:09)
Waters.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:09 - 1:24:09)
we are.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:10 - 1:24:11)
I think we're using one.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:11 - 1:24:12)
Maybe we should look into that.

[Speaker 9] (1:24:14 - 1:24:18)
Well, I think the question was, you know, what the question is, this was last year, are we

[Speaker 9] (1:24:19 - 1:24:20)
doing the same thing this year?

[Speaker 9] (1:24:21 - 1:24:25)
I think to your point, that's something now we're at the beginning of the summer.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:26 - 1:24:33)
Yeah, I mean, we're seven days into the new fiscal year, so I'm happy to talk to Lieutenant Waters and make sure that we are being mindful of...

[Speaker 5] (1:24:34 - 1:24:37)
The budget in addition to staffing.

[Speaker 5] (1:24:37 - 1:24:40)
It's a conversation I'm happy to engage in.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:40 - 1:24:44)
So what this looks like, it looks like there's no police overtime.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:45 - 1:24:47)
You don't have to transfer for any police overtime.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:48 - 1:24:48)
We do not.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:49 - 1:24:49)
This

[Speaker 6] (1:24:49 - 1:24:49)
That

[Speaker 1] (1:24:49 - 1:24:49)
year.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:49 - 1:24:50)
is amazing,

[Speaker 6] (1:24:50 - 1:24:51)
isn't it?

[Speaker 1] (1:24:51 - 1:24:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:54 - 1:24:54)
Very good.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:56 - 1:24:58)
And the retention bonus is for the Senior Center.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:58 - 1:25:02)
Can I assume that that's part of an older contract?

[Speaker 5] (1:25:03 - 1:25:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:03 - 1:25:03)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:03 - 1:25:03)
Right?

[Speaker 5] (1:25:04 - 1:25:08)
So there were a number that came at the end of the fiscal year that have not been up for renewal.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:08 - 1:25:09)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:09 - 1:25:12)
I have not reviewed every contract to see which ones it remains in,

[Speaker 5] (1:25:13 - 1:25:13)
but they knew.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:14 - 1:25:17)
Contract as an example for senior centre does not include

[Speaker 4] (1:25:18 - 1:25:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:18 - 1:25:19)
any retention bonus.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:19 - 1:25:24)
I think we only had one contract that had a retention bonus. I don't remember seeing two.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:25 - 1:25:25)
There were two

[Speaker 4] (1:25:25 - 1:25:26)
Well it

[Speaker 5] (1:25:26 - 1:25:26)
There at

[Speaker 4] (1:25:26 - 1:25:26)
looks like

[Speaker 6] (1:25:26 - 1:25:26)
were

[Speaker 5] (1:25:26 - 1:25:26)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:25:26 - 1:25:26)
two?

[Speaker 5] (1:25:26 - 1:25:27)
two senior centre, yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:27 - 1:25:27)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:27 - 1:25:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:25:27 - 1:25:29)
And now there are none.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:30 - 1:25:31)
There used to be many, yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:32 - 1:25:37)
And what about the budgeting error from cemetery and DPW? What is that, just a

[Speaker 6] (1:25:38 - 1:25:39)
Transposing a number

[Speaker 1] (1:25:39 - 1:25:39)
It's

[Speaker 6] (1:25:39 - 1:25:39)
or?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:39 - 1:25:40)
a really small amount.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:40 - 1:25:41)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:41 - 1:25:45)
It's, it's, I would say it's rounded because that's so many employees on one budget line.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:45 - 1:25:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:46 - 1:25:48)
Um try to avoid that, but

[Speaker 4] (1:25:48 - 1:25:49)
No, of course.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:50 - 1:25:50)
That's there.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:51 - 1:25:59)
And the f on the fire truck, who who ended up authorising that we go over on the bid on the fire truck? Is that

[Speaker 1] (1:25:59 - 1:26:00)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:26:01 - 1:26:06)
It was a long conversation between myself and the chief and Nick.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:07 - 1:26:09)
The town meeting authorized,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:09 - 1:26:14)
I believe it was $1.6 million for the truck, and it came in about $20,000 over that.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:14 - 1:26:25)
And the environment with apparatus right now is that the price escalation is brutal. And the lead times.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:26 - 1:26:39)
are also quite long so the the vendor that was offering this price that was advantageous also offered a much shorter lead time because they release models

[Speaker 4] (1:26:39 - 1:26:39)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:39 - 1:26:49)
that are you know at a certain specification and there's less customization but they have more availability of equipment and at a better price typically so

[Speaker 1] (1:26:51 - 1:27:05)
Collectively that decision was made to do that and the directions of the Chief was, you know, try and hold the hold the budget and make up that difference by the end of the year. And we did we didn't get there. So um that's that's why we do need the transfer and the at the end of the day for this. But

[Speaker 9] (1:27:05 - 1:27:08)
Does that answer the question about capital versus operating?

[Speaker 9] (1:27:13 - 1:27:16)
Is this an expense to run the ladder or is the truck?

[Speaker 1] (1:27:16 - 1:27:17)
That's for equipment.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:17 - 1:27:17)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:17 - 1:27:18)
That

[Speaker 4] (1:27:18 - 1:27:18)
that's the for the

[Speaker 1] (1:27:18 - 1:27:18)
is for purchasing

[Speaker 4] (1:27:18 - 1:27:19)
that's for the ladder.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:19 - 1:27:20)
capital expenses.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:20 - 1:27:21)
Yeah, it's a capital expense.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:21 - 1:27:22)
So why is that being transferred?

[Speaker 9] (1:27:24 - 1:27:26)
It's an operating expense.

[Speaker 9] (1:27:26 - 1:27:28)
These are all operational expenses,

[Speaker 9] (1:27:28 - 1:27:28)
right?

[Speaker 9] (1:27:29 - 1:27:31)
So why is it, maybe I missed that in the explanation,

[Speaker 9] (1:27:32 - 1:27:34)
why is the capital expense being paid for?

[Speaker 9] (1:27:35 - 1:27:40)
Through changes in the budget of an operating expense. What am I missing?

[Speaker 1] (1:27:43 - 1:27:45)
So it's departmental budget for the fire department.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:46 - 1:27:48)
We authorize capital separately,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:48 - 1:27:53)
but it's not uncommon and it is allowable under just,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:53 - 1:27:58)
you know, statutes of the commonwealth to use departmental appropriation to purchase equipment.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:59 - 1:28:00)
That can be done.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:01 - 1:28:04)
Obviously we want every bit to come in at the, you know, the value

[Speaker 6] (1:28:04 - 1:28:05)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:05 - 1:28:06)
of the capital project, but

[Speaker 6] (1:28:06 - 1:28:06)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:06 - 1:28:09)
um on a one point six million dollar purchase it was,

[Speaker 6] (1:28:09 - 1:28:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:10 - 1:28:20)
you know, a non-nominal difference at the end of the day and the risk to the town knowing we had to buy another ladder um the cost we would be on the hook for would be much greater.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:20 - 1:28:23)
So that ha we were saying is that's a normal

[Speaker 9] (1:28:23 - 1:28:34)
thing that if you go out and you bid something that was granted by the town for a capital project and you're slightly over, we have a policy in terms of how much we're allowed to use.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:36 - 1:28:37)
a percentage of some sort.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:37 - 1:28:38)
I don't believe that there is a policy

[Speaker 6] (1:28:38 - 1:28:39)
There's

[Speaker 5] (1:28:39 - 1:28:39)
unless

[Speaker 4] (1:28:39 - 1:28:39)
There's

[Speaker 6] (1:28:39 - 1:28:39)
no policy.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:39 - 1:28:40)
no policy.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:40 - 1:28:40)
There is no policy.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:41 - 1:28:41)
No.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:41 - 1:28:45)
So this was an opportunity to get a truck or it would be years and more expensive.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:45 - 1:28:46)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:28:46 - 1:28:52)
I'm not debating that the decision was right or wrong. I'm just saying if it was $150,000, would it be a different discussion?

[Speaker 5] (1:28:53 - 1:28:57)
Yeah, and I had spoken to Katie about this when we were moving forward.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:57 - 1:28:59)
I may have mentioned it in one of these meetings as well.

[Speaker 5] (1:28:59 - 1:29:00)
The original...

[Speaker 5] (1:29:01 - 1:29:06)
Hope was that we were going to be able to save money like in the budget for repairs and maintenance,

[Speaker 7] (1:29:07 - 1:29:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:07 - 1:29:13)
as an example, and in reality our equipment is old and we didn't we were not able to save it in that way.

[Speaker 5] (1:29:15 - 1:29:19)
So you know the idea was they make a certain number of trucks.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:22 - 1:29:23)
as Patrick suggested.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:24 - 1:29:34)
We have been in regular contact with the salesperson saying we're willing to take one of these less customised trucks because we want one as quickly as possible. We don't want to be at the back of a two and a half to three year line.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:35 - 1:29:36)
And this was an opportunity that

[Speaker 1] (1:29:37 - 1:29:39)
It was either move quickly or...

[Speaker 2] (1:29:39 - 1:29:57)
Right. I totally agree with the supposition. That's not even, that's really, it's more of a kind of a fiscal operations question of if we have a capital project and unfortunately from the time that we allotted the money to when it comes back and it's more,

[Speaker 2] (1:29:57 - 1:30:04)
what is the traditional way that we've handled it? Is it like this? Is there a certain amount that it has to go?

[Speaker 2] (1:30:05 - 1:30:08)
It has to be within that we can take it out of operational.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:09 - 1:30:11)
management oh

[Speaker 3] (1:30:11 - 1:30:12)
There's no policy. I can actually answer that.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:12 - 1:30:33)
There is no, there's no policy, but historically what we've done is we've either used money out of capital that has not been used and it's a like-minded, but it hasn't really happened too much, but we've also taken it right out of operations. So, you know, in this situation being able to get this truck in as

[Speaker 2] (1:30:33 - 1:30:33)
it's

[Speaker 3] (1:30:33 - 1:30:33)
quickly as possible

[Speaker 2] (1:30:33 - 1:30:34)
very important

[Speaker 3] (1:30:34 - 1:30:34)
is really

[Speaker 2] (1:30:34 - 1:30:34)
thing to

[Speaker 3] (1:30:34 - 1:30:34)
great.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:34 - 1:30:35)
do yeah I'm not

[Speaker 2] (1:30:35 - 1:30:35)
I'm not

[Speaker 3] (1:30:35 - 1:30:38)
My only question is, is this truck, what color is this truck?

[Speaker 2] (1:30:38 - 1:30:39)
That's your whole question.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:39 - 1:30:45)
Well, no, and what color is this truck and do we pay extra money to having it in a special color?

[Speaker 4] (1:30:45 - 1:30:51)
I d I doubt we paid extra money for a special color, but I'm not gonna be the one to reveal the color of the new truck, I feel like.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:51 - 1:30:53)
I I think you just did.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:53 - 1:30:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:54 - 1:30:54)
That's exciting.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:54 - 1:30:57)
I just want to know what cost us more money, that's all.

[Speaker 3] (1:30:58 - 1:31:07)
And then my last thing is, so the fire department, even though the fire department was at full staff, they still ran over overtime at one

[Speaker 1] (1:31:07 - 1:31:07)
The

[Speaker 3] (1:31:07 - 1:31:07)
point.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:07 - 1:31:08)
fire department has not been at full staff.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:08 - 1:31:09)
They've had

[Speaker 3] (1:31:09 - 1:31:10)
They're not at full staff?

[Speaker 4] (1:31:10 - 1:31:10)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:10 - 1:31:10)
For the

[Speaker 3] (1:31:10 - 1:31:11)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:11 - 1:31:13)
FY26 they

[Speaker 3] (1:31:13 - 1:31:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:13 - 1:31:15)
were not at full staff for the full year to be able to avoid the

[Speaker 4] (1:31:15 - 1:31:16)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:16 - 1:31:19)
need to fill straight time with non-straight salary.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:19 - 1:31:21)
But are they at full staff now?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:22 - 1:31:22)
Is

[Speaker 3] (1:31:22 - 1:31:22)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:22 - 1:31:23)
everyone

[Speaker 3] (1:31:23 - 1:31:23)
Sounds

[Speaker 1] (1:31:23 - 1:31:23)
out

[Speaker 3] (1:31:23 - 1:31:23)
good.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:23 - 1:31:23)
of?

[Speaker 3] (1:31:23 - 1:31:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:24 - 1:31:24)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:31:24 - 1:31:25)
I think everyone

[Speaker 3] (1:31:25 - 1:31:25)
Close.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:25 - 1:31:32)
has gone through academy and is on if they're a new firefighter, but with the recent retirement, I think we're probably down one.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:32 - 1:31:32)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:33 - 1:31:36)
So there were no savings from being understaffed?

[Speaker 2] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
Ah.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:37 - 1:31:39)
To the contrary. It's just the opposite.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:39 - 1:31:43)
It's the opposite because instead of being able to pay someone their salary to cover their shifts,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:43 - 1:31:46)
we're paying someone else more to cover the same number of shifts.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:46 - 1:31:46)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:47 - 1:31:51)
What was their overtime last year, during the shuffle, just out of curiosity?

[Speaker 4] (1:31:51 - 1:31:52)
I have that. Hold on.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:52 - 1:31:55)
So, but this hundred and five is the net difference between the That's two?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:55 - 1:31:57)
the increase above what was budgeted.

[Speaker 5] (1:31:57 - 1:31:57)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:57 - 1:31:58)
Yeah, I got it.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:58 - 1:31:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:00 - 1:32:00)
So fiscal

[Speaker 2] (1:32:00 - 1:32:01)
Yes, we year got.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:01 - 1:32:06)
25 fire department overtime was eight hundred and eighty five thousand dollars.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:06 - 1:32:07)
Dear God.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:08 - 1:32:08)
Eighty.

[Speaker 4] (1:32:08 - 1:32:11)
This year it was seven hundred and ninety five thousand dollars.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:12 - 1:32:12)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:15 - 1:32:15)
That's just overtime.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:16 - 1:32:17)
Just over time.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:18 - 1:32:18)
For fire.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:19 - 1:32:21)
Wow. And they're still $105,000.

[Speaker 5] (1:32:22 - 1:32:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:23 - 1:32:29)
And I think it would be useful for us to come back probably in the August meeting just to set the timing, one of the August meetings,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:29 - 1:32:33)
to talk about overtime is built into our contracts with both

[Speaker 5] (1:32:33 - 1:32:33)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:39)
police and fire. It's what we do to manage it above and beyond that or to stay below sort of the contracted.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:41 - 1:33:01)
liability that is most important. And so I think it would be useful for us to come in um with the chief, or without just to have the discussion to say, you know, within the contract this is the liability that's created with the agreement that we've come to and what we're trying to do month to month uh and throughout the year to make sure that we do everything we can to manage it.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:05 - 1:33:06)
It's a great idea.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:07 - 1:33:11)
Okay, do we have any uh any other questions for Patrick in the year-end transfers?

[Speaker 5] (1:33:12 - 1:33:13)
Anybody?

[Speaker 5] (1:33:16 - 1:33:20)
Seeing as there are none, Patrick, thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:20 - 1:33:22)
So we need a vote on this, don't we?

[Speaker 2] (1:33:22 - 1:33:22)
He's gonna ask

[Speaker 1] (1:33:22 - 1:33:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:22 - 1:33:22)
me.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:22 - 1:33:26)
So I'll make a motion to vote on the to approve the year

[Speaker 5] (1:33:26 - 1:33:27)
To

[Speaker 3] (1:33:27 - 1:33:27)
-end transfers.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:27 - 1:33:28)
approve the year-end transfers.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:28 - 1:33:29)
So moved.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:30 - 1:33:32)
Second? Did you make the motion you

[Speaker 2] (1:33:32 - 1:33:33)
seconded? Wait.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:33 - 1:33:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:34 - 1:33:35)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (1:33:35 - 1:33:35)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:35 - 1:33:35)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:35 - 1:33:36)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:36 - 1:33:44)
All right. Okay, next we are on to FY 27 water and sewer rates. Patrick, you are still up, I think.

[Speaker 5] (1:33:50 - 1:33:52)
All right, so.

[Speaker 4] (1:33:53 - 1:33:57)
I have a few slides for you on the water and sewer rates for FY27.

[Speaker 3] (1:33:58 - 1:34:03)
Can you just tell us the timing on this? I mean, did we do this last year at this time, or why

[Speaker 4] (1:34:03 - 1:34:03)
It

[Speaker 3] (1:34:03 - 1:34:03)
do I

[Speaker 4] (1:34:03 - 1:34:03)
was

[Speaker 3] (1:34:03 - 1:34:04)
feel like

[Speaker 4] (1:34:04 - 1:34:04)
about

[Speaker 3] (1:34:04 - 1:34:04)
it's the in the spring?

[Speaker 4] (1:34:04 - 1:34:05)
same time last year.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:05 - 1:34:06)
This time?

[Speaker 4] (1:34:06 - 1:34:06)
Yep, it

[Speaker 3] (1:34:06 - 1:34:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:06 - 1:34:07)
was in July.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:08 - 1:34:13)
In the past, we've tried to do it, you know, a little bit sooner after the budget is passed,

[Speaker 4] (1:34:14 - 1:34:16)
you know, maybe May or June.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:18 - 1:34:20)
That way people know what rates are before they begin

[Speaker 3] (1:34:20 - 1:34:20)
When does

[Speaker 4] (1:34:20 - 1:34:20)
working

[Speaker 3] (1:34:20 - 1:34:22)
it get reflected in the bills?

[Speaker 4] (1:34:23 - 1:34:26)
That i it'll be reflected on the August fifteenth bill.

[Speaker 3] (1:34:27 - 1:34:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:28 - 1:34:29)
Okay?

[Speaker 2] (1:34:29 - 1:34:38)
Before you even go further into that, as we talk about rate setting, it is I understand it is within the purview of the select board to do so.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:39 - 1:34:41)
Where in the past can maybe

[Speaker 2] (1:34:43 - 1:34:59)
you explained for the new guys is we had a water and sewer rates committee to which was then merged into water and sewer infrastructure advisory committee is is that still supposed to be a role of that committee

[Speaker 5] (1:35:00 - 1:35:01)
They make a recommendation.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:02 - 1:35:05)
Is that, I think I remember that from last year.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:05 - 1:35:07)
They don't, but they don't necessarily set the rate.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:07 - 1:35:08)
Right. But

[Speaker 5] (1:35:08 - 1:35:08)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:08 - 1:35:12)
is there a recommendation as it been is it is it typically go through them in the past?

[Speaker 5] (1:35:13 - 1:35:13)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:13 - 1:35:13)
I mean,

[Speaker 5] (1:35:13 - 1:35:13)
right.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:13 - 1:35:15)
I know you weren't here last year to to

[Speaker 1] (1:35:15 - 1:35:15)
Can

[Speaker 4] (1:35:15 - 1:35:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:35:15 - 1:35:15)
speak

[Speaker 1] (1:35:15 - 1:35:16)
you speak I to last

[Speaker 4] (1:35:16 - 1:35:16)
can

[Speaker 1] (1:35:16 - 1:35:16)
year,

[Speaker 4] (1:35:16 - 1:35:16)
speak

[Speaker 1] (1:35:16 - 1:35:16)
please?

[Speaker 4] (1:35:16 - 1:35:17)
to that because

[Speaker 2] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
Nick wasn't

[Speaker 2] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
here.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:17 - 1:35:18)
you.

[Speaker 2] (1:35:18 - 1:35:18)
Thank you

[Speaker 4] (1:35:19 - 1:35:30)
So last year, for example, we did, I did meet with the Water and Sewer Infrastructure Advisory Committee or at least a subgroup of them. We had conversations about the rates and

[Speaker 4] (1:35:31 - 1:35:32)
got a little bit of feedback.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:32 - 1:35:37)
I don't think they came to the select board with a particular rate recommendation.

[Speaker 5] (1:35:37 - 1:35:38)
They didn't they didn't

[Speaker 4] (1:35:38 - 1:35:39)
They, okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:35:39 - 1:35:40)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:35:40 - 1:35:41)
I don't think they did,

[Speaker 4] (1:35:41 - 1:35:43)
and I don't know that in

[Speaker 4] (1:35:43 - 1:36:01)
the formation of their c their committee that they're charged with doing particularly that. Um in the past there was a water and sewer rate committee that was specifically charged with looking at rates when we were looking at going from a single rate to a tiered rate and that was a lot of fun analysis we all did together.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:01 - 1:36:02)
So um

[Speaker 4] (1:36:03 - 1:36:21)
That's the kind of role they played last year. I have not had a formal conversation with them about this this year. I anticipate we're going to talk about this again later in the month. So between then and now, I'm happy to have that conversation with them and get any feedback they might have for the board and we can all share it.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:21 - 1:36:22)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:22 - 1:36:23)
yep,

[Speaker 5] (1:36:23 - 1:36:23)
Right

[Speaker 4] (1:36:23 - 1:36:31)
and just for those of you that were not on the board last year, this is something we typically do annually. So we'll only look at this once a year,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:31 - 1:36:33)
barring anything crazy,

[Speaker 4] (1:36:33 - 1:36:40)
and we'll do it definitely before August 15th when the bills go out, but, you know, we can do it as soon as the budget is passed.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:41 - 1:36:43)
Uh, next slide, Shannon, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:48 - 1:36:54)
I put a little slide together to recap our results from FY26 as they stand today. Obviously I'm still closing the books.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:56 - 1:37:02)
The retained earnings I'm projecting we're going to have certified this year for the sewer fund are 29% of budget.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:03 - 1:37:06)
And for the water fund will be 33% of budget.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:08 - 1:37:19)
as a point of reference our financial policies say we must have a minimum of twenty percent of our budget in retained earnings, so this is definitely within our policy. Um in the past,

[Speaker 4] (1:37:20 - 1:37:24)
you know, as of our last certification, both funds were below policy. So

[Speaker 5] (1:37:24 - 1:37:28)
Why such a why do you think such a dramatic increase? Any idea?

[Speaker 4] (1:37:28 - 1:37:31)
So, on the bottom of the slide there

[Speaker 5] (1:37:31 - 1:37:31)
There you go.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:31 - 1:37:33)
are um

[Speaker 4] (1:37:34 - 1:37:42)
little data points on consumption versus consumption estimates, which is one factor. So um we saw

[Speaker 4] (1:37:43 - 1:37:49)
definitely a jump in irrigation consumption um overall.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:50 - 1:37:54)
You know, that tends to ebb and flow, depending on if we have a wet year or a dry year,

[Speaker 5] (1:37:54 - 1:37:54)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:37:54 - 1:38:05)
people sprinkle more or whatever. Um and then domestic you should usage there was an increase um as well. There was a significant increase in tier three uh which

[Speaker 5] (1:38:05 - 1:38:08)
Could you just explain a little bit about tier three or of the tiers for

[Speaker 4] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
people?

[Speaker 4] (1:38:08 - 1:38:16)
so the tiers are based on um consumption levels. So if you were a homeowner and you um were in

[Speaker 4] (1:38:17 - 1:38:25)
using a certain amount of water, I think it's a twenty five hundred cubic feet or less in a billing cycle, that would all fall within tier one.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:26 - 1:38:28)
But as soon as you hit, you know,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:29 - 1:38:31)
twenty five hundred and one hundred cubic feet, that

[Speaker 5] (1:38:31 - 1:38:32)
Tier two.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:32 - 1:38:34)
that one gets billed at a tier two rate,

[Speaker 5] (1:38:34 - 1:38:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:35 - 1:38:37)
okay, and then so on so forth.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:37 - 1:38:37)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:37 - 1:38:38)
So it's kind of incremental.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:39 - 1:38:40)
Rate increase.

[Speaker 5] (1:38:40 - 1:38:40)
Wow.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:42 - 1:38:44)
And irrigation is specifically on a separate meter.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:45 - 1:38:48)
Those are separately metered sprinkler systems.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:48 - 1:38:51)
If someone is sprinkling their lawn without a separate meter,

[Speaker 4] (1:38:51 - 1:38:53)
that would be included in the domestic figures.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:54 - 1:38:55)
Domestic

[Speaker 2] (1:38:55 - 1:38:57)
Which means they're paying for the sewer cost as

[Speaker 1] (1:38:57 - 1:38:57)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:57 - 1:38:57)
well, is what that means.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:57 - 1:38:58)
Yes, Correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:38:58 - 1:38:58)
correct.

[Speaker 3] (1:38:59 - 1:39:01)
And what is the, what about the money,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:01 - 1:39:06)
actually the money for I DDE,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:06 - 1:39:07)
R-D-D-E,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:07 - 1:39:08)
that is in a separate account,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:08 - 1:39:08)
right?

[Speaker 4] (1:39:09 - 1:39:10)
Are you talking about I and I fees?

[Speaker 3] (1:39:10 - 1:39:11)
Yes, and

[Speaker 4] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:39:11 - 1:39:12)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:39:12 - 1:39:12)
that's

[Speaker 3] (1:39:12 - 1:39:12)
and I,

[Speaker 4] (1:39:12 - 1:39:14)
not counted in this at all.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
It's in a separate.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
It's in a separate

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:15)
maintained

[Speaker 2] (1:39:15 - 1:39:15)
account.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:16)
separately, and it's first,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:16 - 1:39:17)
Yeah, but

[Speaker 1] (1:39:17 - 1:39:18)
you know, specific uses.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:18 - 1:39:21)
before you leave, can you give us the dot the balance on that fund?

[Speaker 3] (1:39:21 - 1:39:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:21 - 1:39:24)
I don't have that on hand tonight, but I can email

[Speaker 2] (1:39:24 - 1:39:24)
Can you email

[Speaker 1] (1:39:24 - 1:39:24)
it.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:24 - 1:39:25)
it to us?

[Speaker 1] (1:39:25 - 1:39:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:25 - 1:39:25)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:27 - 1:39:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:29 - 1:39:30)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:33 - 1:39:37)
This slide recaps the budget growth that we just passed at town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:37 - 1:39:45)
So sewer fund is going up seven point three percent. That includes indirect costs and water fund is going up six percent.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:46 - 1:39:49)
Other spending plans we have for both enterprise funds,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:49 - 1:39:52)
there's five point seven million of

[Speaker 1] (1:39:53 - 1:39:59)
You know capital projects in the five-year plan for sewer and 6.25 for water and

[Speaker 1] (1:39:59 - 1:40:08)
Both are going to require a significant amount of new debt service to pay for those costs as well as projects that have already been approved that we haven't borrowed for yet

[Speaker 1] (1:40:09 - 1:40:11)
so there's some

[Speaker 1] (1:40:13 - 1:40:21)
significant needs coming in the next few years that we're all well aware of that are going to require revenues to support.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:23 - 1:40:25)
Is that already listed on the CIC report?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:25 - 1:40:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:25 - 1:40:26)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:26 - 1:40:26)
It is. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:26 - 1:40:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:27 - 1:40:28)
So it's not new at

[Speaker 2] (1:40:28 - 1:40:29)
No.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:29 - 1:40:29)
all.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:29 - 1:40:33)
This doesn't include anything that's not on the report that might be out there.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:34 - 1:40:37)
As we update the report each year, this this'll change too.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:37 - 1:40:41)
And the report includes like a review of the force main. It's a force main study,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:41 - 1:40:44)
which will be a significant investment that is on the horizon.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:45 - 1:40:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:47 - 1:40:48)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:48 - 1:40:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:49 - 1:40:50)
Next slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:50 - 1:40:58)
But we backed out, we backed out how much, we we we took out a capital project, didn't we?

[Speaker 1] (1:41:00 - 1:41:02)
In the sewer fund,

[Speaker 2] (1:41:02 - 1:41:04)
A phase of it, was there something?

[Speaker 1] (1:41:04 - 1:41:05)
yeah, there was

[Speaker 6] (1:41:05 - 1:41:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:05 - 1:41:05)
a thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:05 - 1:41:06)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (1:41:06 - 1:41:06)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:41:06 - 1:41:06)
it was

[Speaker 5] (1:41:06 - 1:41:06)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:41:06 - 1:41:07)
appropriated

[Speaker 5] (1:41:07 - 1:41:08)
were going to authorize

[Speaker 2] (1:41:08 - 1:41:08)
for this.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:08 - 1:41:14)
we were authorizing borrowing to be able to do phase 2C SRF loan application

[Speaker 2] (1:41:14 - 1:41:15)
Right, right.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:15 - 1:41:16)
next spring.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:16 - 1:41:18)
Right, but is that number calculated in here?

[Speaker 4] (1:41:19 - 1:41:19)
It

[Speaker 5] (1:41:19 - 1:41:22)
That was not is. in the final approved capital plan, so.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:22 - 1:41:23)
Right, so I'm just wondering.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:24 - 1:41:24)
It

[Speaker 4] (1:41:24 - 1:41:24)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:41:24 - 1:41:26)
wasn't in the final plan, but I'm just wondering when

[Speaker 1] (1:41:26 - 1:41:31)
It's not it was on the C_I_S_E_'s five year plan, so I included it in here for reference.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:31 - 1:41:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:31 - 1:41:34)
And we didn't approve it at town meeting knowing we would we may, you know,

[Speaker 2] (1:41:34 - 1:41:34)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:34 - 1:41:37)
approve it later, so I just left it counted in.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:37 - 1:41:37)
So it's still in here.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:37 - 1:41:38)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:38 - 1:41:38)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:38 - 1:41:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:38 - 1:41:39)
thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:41 - 1:41:48)
Um on this slide are just some assumptions that were used to, you know, when we were looking at the rates.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:48 - 1:41:59)
Uh consistent with last year, we used a ninety five percent of prior year actual for domestic consumption and eighty five percent of prior year actual for irrigation consumption.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:00 - 1:42:07)
Um we assumed a flat number of accounts. Typically we'll see you know nominal growth in number of accounts as new units come online or whatever.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:07 - 1:42:07)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:07 - 1:42:08)
Um

[Speaker 1] (1:42:08 - 1:42:13)
And I did change the assumption from last year on the collections rate.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:13 - 1:42:15)
We used a ninety percent last year.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:15 - 1:42:21)
We were trending down a little bit. So used an eighty five percent collections rate for for the water and sewer.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:22 - 1:42:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:25 - 1:42:27)
We talk about collections rate,

[Speaker 7] (1:42:27 - 1:42:27)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:27 - 1:42:33)
which is defined as the difference between what's reported leaving the town as a whole versus what's metered and thus collecting on.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:33 - 1:42:37)
It not to do with consumption at all, it's to do with collecting money.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:37 - 1:42:37)
Collecting.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:37 - 1:42:37)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:42:37 - 1:42:38)
Who who pays their bills.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:38 - 1:42:38)
that's

[Speaker 7] (1:42:38 - 1:42:39)
Bill whoo.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:39 - 1:42:40)
what's spelled out for the year versus

[Speaker 2] (1:42:40 - 1:42:40)
Assuming

[Speaker 1] (1:42:40 - 1:42:40)
what's

[Speaker 2] (1:42:40 - 1:42:41)
eighty five

[Speaker 1] (1:42:41 - 1:42:41)
collected.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:41 - 1:42:44)
percent of it of the bills you send out are collected. That

[Speaker 4] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:42:44 - 1:42:44)
didn't leaves

[Speaker 4] (1:42:44 - 1:42:47)
realise it was that there was that much of a deci

[Speaker 7] (1:42:47 - 1:42:48)
Is is is

[Speaker 4] (1:42:48 - 1:42:48)
difference.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:48 - 1:42:49)
is that

[Speaker 2] (1:42:49 - 1:42:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:50 - 1:42:51)
Peer community,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:51 - 1:42:53)
where do we fall?

[Speaker 4] (1:42:53 - 1:42:53)
Is that normal,

[Speaker 4] (1:42:53 - 1:42:54)
that rate?

[Speaker 1] (1:42:54 - 1:42:55)
I would say so.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:56 - 1:43:01)
For FY26, we did 86% collections of what was billed in FY26.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:01 - 1:43:04)
Doesn't mean we're not going to collect it all. It's all secured by property taxes

[Speaker 2] (1:43:04 - 1:43:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:05 - 1:43:06)
at the end of the day.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:06 - 1:43:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:06 - 1:43:10)
But that, to me, indicates maybe there was an uptick in delinquency. So

[Speaker 2] (1:43:10 - 1:43:11)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:11 - 1:43:13)
people are saying, what, you know, all my bills are going up.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:13 - 1:43:13)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:13 - 1:43:16)
What am I going to, you know, pay a little late first?

[Speaker 1] (1:43:16 - 1:43:17)
It might

[Speaker 2] (1:43:17 - 1:43:17)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:17 - 1:43:19)
be the water bill versus something else, which

[Speaker 2] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:19 - 1:43:19)
is,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:20 - 1:43:21)
you know, a logical.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:21 - 1:43:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:21 - 1:43:29)
thing for most people so um that's that's where that comes from so we're going to monitor it i think we have a really big rate increase last year too so

[Speaker 2] (1:43:29 - 1:43:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:30 - 1:43:30)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:43:30 - 1:43:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:30 - 1:43:32)
could be putting pressure there as well

[Speaker 4] (1:43:33 - 1:43:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:33 - 1:43:35)
But it's something you monitor and kind of watch

[Speaker 1] (1:43:35 - 1:43:39)
yeah we look at it every year um that's you know lower than i'd like it to be

[Speaker 4] (1:43:39 - 1:43:44)
Could you send the information out in terms of what, you know, how delinquent

[Speaker 8] (1:43:45 - 1:43:55)
the accounts are so if we have, you know, four hundred accounts that are delinquent, how many of those are thirty days, how many of those are, you know, sixty, ninety, a hundred and eighty days to a year whatever.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:55 - 1:43:57)
It's just like a census like the ageing.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:57 - 1:43:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:58 - 1:43:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:58 - 1:43:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:58 - 1:44:10)
Yeah, I think what I would be curious about on that line is I mean, do we have accounts that are chronically significantly delinquent, and if they are, is that something that

[Speaker 4] (1:44:11 - 1:44:14)
one of the offices at town hall can be proactive about?

[Speaker 4] (1:44:15 - 1:44:17)
If, that's a lot of ifs, but

[Speaker 1] (1:44:17 - 1:44:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:17 - 1:44:18)
um

[Speaker 8] (1:44:18 - 1:44:33)
Also is there is there any type of state aid federal I don't know I mean there's aid for electric and gas right is there any aid for water does that exist

[Speaker 2] (1:44:35 - 1:44:37)
That's a great question. I don't know that answer.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:39 - 1:44:39)
I don't know.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:39 - 1:44:45)
There's nothing I'm familiar with and the initial difference that comes to mind is that has to be a significant

[Speaker 5] (1:44:46 - 1:44:48)
very significant issue for a town to cut off water service.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:48 - 1:44:49)
Right, exactly.

[Speaker 8] (1:44:49 - 1:44:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:49 - 1:44:49)
Whereas

[Speaker 2] (1:44:49 - 1:44:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:50 - 1:44:52)
the other utilities are

[Speaker 2] (1:44:52 - 1:44:53)
Pretty quick.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:53 - 1:44:55)
primarily investor owned utilities

[Speaker 4] (1:44:55 - 1:44:55)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:55 - 1:44:58)
that are more willing to take that action.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:01 - 1:45:03)
But it's certainly something we can explore.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:04 - 1:45:13)
And we had also discussed in the past setting up a voluntarily contribution that a ratepayer could make, you know, like you write

[Speaker 2] (1:45:13 - 1:45:13)
Be

[Speaker 1] (1:45:13 - 1:45:13)
a separate

[Speaker 2] (1:45:13 - 1:45:13)
able to

[Speaker 1] (1:45:13 - 1:45:14)
check

[Speaker 2] (1:45:14 - 1:45:14)
find extras

[Speaker 1] (1:45:14 - 1:45:18)
when you pay your bill and it would go into a fund that people could apply for aid locally.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:18 - 1:45:19)
Great idea.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:20 - 1:45:25)
And that was something that I think we determined Town Meeting could set up.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:25 - 1:45:25)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:25 - 1:45:27)
I'd also be curious whether or not

[Speaker 8] (1:45:28 - 1:45:33)
the delinquencies are on owner occupied or not I don't know if you can tell the difference

[Speaker 9] (1:45:33 - 1:45:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:33 - 1:45:35)
I'm no make it no make any assumptions

[Speaker 9] (1:45:35 - 1:45:36)
Mm

[Speaker 8] (1:45:36 - 1:45:36)
whether

[Speaker 9] (1:45:36 - 1:45:36)
-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:36 - 1:45:39)
that's owner occupied or not owner occupied because it's

[Speaker 2] (1:45:39 - 1:45:39)
I don't think it's a reflected.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:39 - 1:45:46)
rental property depending upon the rent or if they have the obligation to pay the water bill versus the owner

[Speaker 8] (1:45:47 - 1:45:50)
Probably pays a water bill. I don't know what the arrangements are.

[Speaker 2] (1:45:50 - 1:45:52)
I'm not sure we'd know that answer.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (1:45:52 - 1:45:53)
I don't know. I yet. don't think you would either.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:53 - 1:45:54)
I don't know. I'm just asking.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:54 - 1:45:54)
Yeah, I don't

[Speaker 8] (1:45:54 - 1:45:55)
We did.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:55 - 1:45:55)
know that I even have the data

[Speaker 4] (1:45:55 - 1:45:56)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:45:56 - 1:45:56)
Is for

[Speaker 2] (1:45:56 - 1:45:56)
we

[Speaker 4] (1:45:56 - 1:45:56)
a

[Speaker 1] (1:45:56 - 1:45:56)
that.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:56 - 1:45:56)
valid

[Speaker 2] (1:45:56 - 1:45:57)
bill reason. or is it owner occupied versus

[Speaker 4] (1:45:57 - 1:45:58)
I always

[Speaker 2] (1:45:58 - 1:45:58)
not?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:58 - 1:46:01)
lose my water bill at my rental property and I paid it yesterday.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:01 - 1:46:01)
Sorry I'm late.

[Speaker 2] (1:46:02 - 1:46:02)
Good job.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:02 - 1:46:05)
So that's a, thank you. So that's a valid concern.

[Speaker 4] (1:46:06 - 1:46:09)
Do all properties in town, regardless of

[Speaker 10] (1:46:12 - 1:46:21)
owned by a you know an individual for-profit company not-for-profit institution get build water the same water and sewer rate okay

[Speaker 1] (1:46:21 - 1:46:21)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:21 - 1:46:22)
the

[Speaker 1] (1:46:22 - 1:46:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:24 - 1:46:26)
I think that's why the tiers exist, though.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
The

[Speaker 2] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
And

[Speaker 10] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
tiers are

[Speaker 2] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
that's

[Speaker 10] (1:46:28 - 1:46:28)
just based

[Speaker 2] (1:46:28 - 1:46:29)
your yes.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:29 - 1:46:30)
on usage right

[Speaker 1] (1:46:30 - 1:46:31)
It's just based on usage.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:31 - 1:46:36)
Yeah, but a commercial property would generally use more, and thus would pay a higher rate.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:36 - 1:46:36)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:46:38 - 1:46:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:40 - 1:46:43)
That was a good primer on how te how one and two rates work, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:43 - 1:46:47)
Okay, good. Um we can go to the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:48 - 1:47:00)
Um these are potential rate recommendations along with a projection of what that might mean for our retained earnings um down the road. So

[Speaker 1] (1:47:01 - 1:47:08)
A four percent increase to sewer rates and a three percent increase to water rates would accomplish,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:08 - 1:47:26)
you know, it would have 32 percent of our budgeted retained earnings at the end of the fiscal year projected and we would have 48 percent retained earnings in water by the end of the fiscal year and those are funds that would help support the capital costs that we are all.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:26 - 1:47:30)
you know, fairly familiar with, I think, at this point that are lurking out there for all these funds.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:30 - 1:47:31)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:31 - 1:47:37)
Um and this is in line with what we talked about last year

[Speaker 2] (1:47:37 - 1:47:37)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:37 - 1:47:46)
when we wanted we were doing a large considering a large rate increase that ultimately passed and we the board was looking at

[Speaker 1] (1:47:47 - 1:47:48)
the future and seeing will

[Speaker 2] (1:47:48 - 1:47:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:48 - 1:47:51)
how are we gonna have stability going through.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:52 - 1:47:52)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:52 - 1:47:52)
Forward.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:52 - 1:47:53)
that was the projected plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:53 - 1:47:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:54 - 1:47:57)
So these are in line with that forecast.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:57 - 1:48:00)
Can you remind us, or for the newer members,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:00 - 1:48:02)
what that was, what exactly,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:02 - 1:48:08)
is there a slide for that? Like what our plan was last year that we went over kind of addressed this type of

[Speaker 1] (1:48:08 - 1:48:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:08 - 1:48:08)
recommendation?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:08 - 1:48:16)
So what I do have is I have a slide showing the retained earnings over the last 10 years and that kind of paints the picture of

[Speaker 1] (1:48:17 - 1:48:26)
you know, why we needed such a large rate increase last year and how we're trying to avoid um, you know, large swings in the rate going forward.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:27 - 1:48:33)
So we think that that the premise for l from last year was trying to avoid some mistakes we made in the past,

[Speaker 8] (1:48:33 - 1:48:33)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:33 - 1:48:35)
right, to better plan,

[Speaker 5] (1:48:35 - 1:48:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:35 - 1:48:37)
you know, for three years out. That's

[Speaker 8] (1:48:37 - 1:48:37)
Good

[Speaker 2] (1:48:37 - 1:48:37)
the discussion

[Speaker 8] (1:48:37 - 1:48:38)
point.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:38 - 1:48:41)
we had last year that kind of, that Patrick's referencing.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:41 - 1:48:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:44 - 1:48:47)
Yeah, but even with last year, didn't we

[Speaker 11] (1:48:47 - 1:48:50)
We contemplated a really large increase last year.

[Speaker 8] (1:48:50 - 1:48:50)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:48:50 - 1:48:51)
Right, but we

[Speaker 4] (1:48:51 - 1:48:52)
The paper

[Speaker 2] (1:48:52 - 1:48:52)
settled.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:52 - 1:48:52)
I_D_D_

[Speaker 2] (1:48:52 - 1:48:55)
We went as moderate as we could,

[Speaker 11] (1:48:55 - 1:48:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:55 - 1:49:04)
and we actually didn't we wasn't it last year that we decided to not stick to the twenty percent retained, and we dropped that a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:05 - 1:49:07)
Yes, so with the assumptions that we were using

[Speaker 2] (1:49:07 - 1:49:08)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (1:49:09 - 1:49:09)
Feeding

[Speaker 1] (1:49:12 - 1:49:18)
we said, okay, this might not get us to 20% of budget and retained earnings for each fund,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:18 - 1:49:22)
and ultimately the board decided that they were comfortable with that,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:24)
and we went with a rate that wasn't, you know, highest

[Speaker 2] (1:49:24 - 1:49:25)
Was it at this

[Speaker 1] (1:49:25 - 1:49:25)
increase

[Speaker 2] (1:49:25 - 1:49:25)
morning?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:25 - 1:49:26)
we showed,

[Speaker 2] (1:49:26 - 1:49:26)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:26 - 1:49:27)
right, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:27 - 1:49:30)
But and so on this so on an increase

[Speaker 2] (1:49:31 - 1:49:41)
On an increased sewer consumption base of four percent, you're saying that the r the retained earnings will go up to thirty two point two whereas our policy is twenty percent?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:42 - 1:49:45)
Yeah, the policy is minimum twenty percent.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:45 - 1:49:46)
Why aren't we just

[Speaker 3] (1:49:46 - 1:49:51)
And you said we're seventeen from last year we're twenty nine already,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:51 - 1:49:51)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:51 - 1:49:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:52 - 1:49:57)
What I'm s so what I'm saying is why aren't we just staying at our twenty percent retained earnings?

[Speaker 1] (1:49:58 - 1:50:05)
Because if we do that, then all of the capital improvements that are coming online that are going to require more

[Speaker 4] (1:50:05 - 1:50:06)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:06 - 1:50:08)
more annual cash to service the debt on

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:08 - 1:50:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:09 - 1:50:13)
will be s sticking ourselves with large rate increases, you know, next year or the year after.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:13 - 1:50:18)
So you're projecting what you're projecting out that we're gonna be ro taking money back for

[Speaker 1] (1:50:18 - 1:50:18)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:50:18 - 1:50:18)
it. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:18 - 1:50:19)
right. So

[Speaker 2] (1:50:19 - 1:50:24)
But we don't use the retained we don't use retained earnings to pay the bill retained the earnings only go

[Speaker 2] (1:50:25 - 1:50:28)
Isn't it just retained earnings to keep on the side in the event we need it?

[Speaker 1] (1:50:28 - 1:50:35)
Well, if you if you're over your threshold a little bit, you can put that towards your budget and it helps you stabilize your rate.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:36 - 1:50:49)
So if you have the debt service in the budget this year, you know, your budget's going up 10 percent, but you have enough retained earnings, you can excuse me, you can keep it keep the rate increased to, you know, under five that

[Speaker 1] (1:50:49 - 1:50:50)
That's what

[Speaker 2] (1:50:50 - 1:50:50)
you Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:50 - 1:50:50)
want.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:50 - 1:51:03)
I think I think what just throws me is calling it retained earnings only because when I look at retained earnings, it's just to specifically have, you know, the retained earnings the three months of a cushion or whatever the percentage is of a cushion.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:05 - 1:51:08)
And this is a lot more than the cushion instead if it was just

[Speaker 1] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
Nick

[Speaker 2] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
For operations.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:09 - 1:51:25)
did pull up this slide here. So this is a 10 year history on retained earnings in each fund. And you can see, you know, going back to 2017, we were in a pretty healthy place in both the sewer and the water fund. The sewer is in green and the water is in blue.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:26 - 1:51:26)
And then

[Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:32)
Starting in 2023 and leading into 2025,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:32 - 1:51:40)
we had a decrease in the retained earnings to the point that the sewer fund had had no retained earnings and water had very little.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:40 - 1:51:46)
And that decrease was because we were doing more IDE work because

[Speaker 2] (1:51:46 - 1:51:47)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:47 - 1:51:49)
I thought that was all paid out of different.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:49 - 1:51:50)
Monies.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:50 - 1:51:55)
I would say it comes down to we were not increasing rates in pace with what needed

[Speaker 3] (1:51:55 - 1:51:56)
With Linwaters,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:56 - 1:51:56)
to

[Speaker 3] (1:51:56 - 1:51:56)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:51:56 - 1:51:57)
be done for

[Speaker 2] (1:51:57 - 1:51:57)
Well

[Speaker 1] (1:51:57 - 1:51:57)
the infrastructure

[Speaker 2] (1:51:57 - 1:51:58)
we're also doing

[Speaker 1] (1:51:58 - 1:51:58)
spending.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:58 - 1:52:01)
we were doing more work right we

[Speaker 1] (1:52:01 - 1:52:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:52:01 - 1:52:02)
were

[Speaker 1] (1:52:02 - 1:52:02)
there

[Speaker 2] (1:52:02 - 1:52:02)
doing

[Speaker 1] (1:52:02 - 1:52:02)
was

[Speaker 2] (1:52:02 - 1:52:02)
work

[Speaker 1] (1:52:02 - 1:52:02)
more spending.

[Speaker 2] (1:52:02 - 1:52:05)
whereas in the past nothing was being done right

[Speaker 1] (1:52:05 - 1:52:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:05 - 1:52:07)
Well, when you say doing work,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:07 - 1:52:11)
was that doing work for general services or for things related to For the infrastructure

[Speaker 2] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
infrastructure

[Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:12)
infrastructure.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
work?

[Speaker 2] (1:52:12 - 1:52:14)
infrastructure work right

[Speaker 6] (1:52:15 - 1:52:15)
We were doing

[Speaker 3] (1:52:15 - 1:52:15)
Next

[Speaker 6] (1:52:15 - 1:52:17)
the question. worst but not offsetting it with the increase.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:17 - 1:52:19)
It it's not only I_D_D_E_ is that the question?

[Speaker 3] (1:52:20 - 1:52:22)
It is, yeah. That's where I'm trying

[Speaker 7] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
That's

[Speaker 3] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
to like distinguish

[Speaker 7] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
I thought you were saying.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:22 - 1:52:22)
between

[Speaker 6] (1:52:22 - 1:52:23)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:23 - 1:52:25)
what mu what this money is used for versus

[Speaker 7] (1:52:25 - 1:52:30)
I think I think historically there had been a lack of investment in the maintenance of the infrastructure.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:30 - 1:52:31)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:52:31 - 1:52:31)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:31 - 1:52:34)
And that bill came due sort of all at once.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:34 - 1:52:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:34 - 1:52:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:52:34 - 1:52:34)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:34 - 1:52:38)
And that was not planned for in the way Patrick's

[Speaker 7] (1:52:38 - 1:52:40)
recommending that we do here or

[Speaker 6] (1:52:40 - 1:52:40)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:40 - 1:52:41)
that we're both recommending that we do here.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:41 - 1:52:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:42 - 1:52:46)
And so we were put in a situation where we were chasing it rather than planning for it.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:46 - 1:52:56)
And finding the right spot to Mary Ellen's point I think is why we wanted to present this information, give you a few, a couple weeks to think about it, also answer any further questions.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:57 - 1:52:57)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:57 - 1:53:02)
Because there, you know, there might be a number that's somewhere in the middle that makes the most sense from you all as a rate setting body,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:02 - 1:53:05)
but we wanted to certainly make sure we

[Speaker 7] (1:53:06 - 1:53:12)
articulated so that everyone understood where we're coming from with the anticipation of these capital expenses we know exist.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:13 - 1:53:13)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:13 - 1:53:21)
Um and making sure that we try to avoid that one year that's a 17% jump by trying to manage a reasonable,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:21 - 1:53:21)
you

[Speaker 3] (1:53:21 - 1:53:22)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:22 - 1:53:25)
know, forecastable increase for both taxpayers and the town.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:25 - 1:53:29)
So I'm wondering if some of this also is operational cost increase,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:29 - 1:53:30)
both from water and sewer,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:31 - 1:53:35)
whether or not their per million gallons rate has gone up,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:35 - 1:53:36)
or whether or not...

[Speaker 3] (1:53:37 - 1:53:53)
We're sending more to them in total millions of gallons per day from one year to the next. Did we change at some point along this way where we went from, I don't know, two million gallons a day to 2.5 million gallons a day?

[Speaker 7] (1:53:53 - 1:53:56)
So I think if I understand the question correctly,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:56 - 1:53:57)
there's two different parts to that.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:57 - 1:53:59)
If we're sending 25 million,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:59 - 1:54:01)
we're also billing for 25 million.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:02 - 1:54:02)
So,

[Speaker 6] (1:54:03 - 1:54:03)
Not necessarily.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:03 - 1:54:04)
No, we're not.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:04 - 1:54:05)
That's the thing.

[Speaker 7] (1:54:05 - 1:54:07)
so we're not billing for consumption?

[Speaker 7] (1:54:07 - 1:54:07)
Is that?

[Speaker 3] (1:54:07 - 1:54:09)
No, no, let me be clear.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:09 - 1:54:18)
Because we send sometimes a lot of rainwater to clean water and sewer,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:18 - 1:54:19)
we're getting charged for that.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:19 - 1:54:25)
I'm just trying to back out whether or not we're seeing variability of that.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:25 - 1:54:28)
If you think about it, if it's just regular consumption.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:30 - 1:54:31)
not consumption usage of

[Speaker 6] (1:54:31 - 1:54:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:32 - 1:54:39)
the sewer system by residents and businesses it should be pretty flat right if we're seeing spikes relative to rainfall I'd like to know

[Speaker 3] (1:54:40 - 1:55:00)
Above that baseline what it is, what we're paying for. Are we paying for sending rain water to the clean water or sewer? Everybody is sending rain water to the clean water or sewer. Otherwise you wouldn't have had a C_S_O_ release because the rain infiltration into the system. But that's all getting sent for processing. So we're we're all paying for it one way or the other.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:00 - 1:55:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:00 - 1:55:04)
Us, Lynn, Saugus, uh the hunt, we're all in that same system. I'm just curious.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:06 - 1:55:18)
How much of this reinforces going back and looking at the infrastructure if you can determine what the cost is that the residents are paying for that infiltration issue?

[Speaker 1] (1:55:18 - 1:55:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:55:19 - 1:55:19)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:19 - 1:55:26)
I think the data point that might be useful for you, which I can get you, I can definitely get you the historical assessment,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:27 - 1:55:28)
annual assessment that.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:28 - 1:55:32)
We made a M_W_R_A_ and Limb Water sewer. I think we've shared that in the past.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:33 - 1:55:39)
Um and there's flow metrics that exist. I'm sure I can get them from Gino,

[Speaker 3] (1:55:39 - 1:55:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:40 - 1:55:42)
um for both.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:42 - 1:55:46)
And that that would be useful I think to your point.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:46 - 1:55:47)
It'd be helpful. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:48 - 1:55:48)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:49 - 1:55:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:53 - 1:55:54)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:55:55 - 1:55:55)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:57 - 1:55:59)
this is everything I have prepared for tonight on

[Speaker 2] (1:55:59 - 1:56:01)
So you're only presenting one recommendation?

[Speaker 1] (1:56:02 - 1:56:04)
That is the initial recommendation.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:04 - 1:56:05)
What happens

[Speaker 1] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
Just

[Speaker 2] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
to our

[Speaker 1] (1:56:05 - 1:56:05)
let me guess.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:05 - 1:56:06)
three recommendations?

[Speaker 1] (1:56:07 - 1:56:12)
I didn't want to enamor you with three. So I I have one for you tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:12 - 1:56:13)
I think it's a solid one.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:14 - 1:56:20)
but I'm open to feedback so that I can come back with alternates if if there's any initial reactions from the board.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:20 - 1:56:25)
So you're recommending four percent and a three percent four percent in sewer three percent in water and

[Speaker 1] (1:56:25 - 1:56:29)
Yes and that's in line with what we expected.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:29 - 1:56:32)
can you remind me of what the increase was last year that we put in yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:56:32 - 1:56:35)
Combined it was I want to say 18%. Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:35 - 1:56:37)
so this is significantly less

[Speaker 3] (1:56:37 - 1:56:39)
And what is your logic in...

[Speaker 3] (1:56:40 - 1:56:43)
4.3 versus 2 flat crossbow.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:44 - 1:56:44)
Like

[Speaker 1] (1:56:44 - 1:56:44)
For

[Speaker 3] (1:56:44 - 1:56:46)
walk me through how you arrived at that recommendation.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:49 - 1:56:52)
4.3 was what we forecasted last year,

[Speaker 1] (1:56:52 - 1:57:00)
so it's in line with what our assumptions are and our plan is in terms of maintaining retained earnings leading into paying for the capital improvements.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:00 - 1:57:01)
If you do it 2-2.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:02 - 1:57:07)
and something goes sideways with consumption this year, then your retained earnings will not be

[Speaker 3] (1:57:07 - 1:57:07)
In line

[Speaker 1] (1:57:07 - 1:57:08)
maybe in as good a spot

[Speaker 3] (1:57:08 - 1:57:09)
with projections, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:09 - 1:57:09)
going

[Speaker 6] (1:57:09 - 1:57:09)
How

[Speaker 1] (1:57:09 - 1:57:10)
into those spending years.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:10 - 1:57:14)
how does it affect how does it affect the uh the bill?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:15 - 1:57:17)
Um I have that.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:18 - 1:57:20)
If you pass a

[Speaker 2] (1:57:20 - 1:57:20)
Compared

[Speaker 1] (1:57:20 - 1:57:21)
4%

[Speaker 2] (1:57:21 - 1:57:21)
to last year.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:21 - 1:57:22)
it'd

[Speaker 2] (1:57:22 - 1:57:24)
So how

[Speaker 1] (1:57:24 - 1:57:24)
much Yep,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:24 - 1:57:26)
is, you know, the average person

[Speaker 1] (1:57:26 - 1:57:26)
it'd

[Speaker 2] (1:57:26 - 1:57:26)
spending?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:26 - 1:57:27)
be $52 a year.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:28 - 1:57:30)
They'll go up $52 a year?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:30 - 1:57:31)
Yes, with

[Speaker 6] (1:57:31 - 1:57:33)
Okay. That's the four and three assumption.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:34 - 1:57:35)
4 and 3, yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:35 - 1:57:38)
So my big concern is one of the biggest,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:39 - 1:57:44)
I don't want to say complaint, but one of the biggest comments that I have received.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:46 - 1:58:02)
is the the increase in in this what in the water and the sewer bill and how hard it's been on a number of residents so I would like to see I would like to see a number lower than the four percent

[Speaker 2] (1:58:03 - 1:58:21)
I'd like to see is the possibility of what is it actually going to cost with capital with your capital expenses and what are the operational costs and having you know a twenty percent retained earnings or a fifteen percent retained earnings what are those actual costs. Just to give us an idea.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:25 - 1:58:28)
I'd also like to see information on terms of

[Speaker 3] (1:58:30 - 1:58:36)
The water that we have not accounted for in meter rates or

[Speaker 6] (1:58:36 - 1:58:37)
Are you talking about the half a million?

[Speaker 3] (1:58:39 - 1:58:46)
lost revenue, either lost revenue either from inaccurate meter readings or just lost water.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:46 - 1:58:53)
We had a number of very, very large water main breaks this last couple of months.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:53 - 1:58:57)
I'm just curious how much how much did that cost the town in terms of lost water?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:59 - 1:58:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:00 - 1:59:01)
Just overall.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:02 - 1:59:03)
Okay. Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:03 - 1:59:03)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04)
I think I can get historical.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:04 - 1:59:10)
and when we put in when we put new meters in does that come off of

[Speaker 1] (1:59:10 - 1:59:12)
This that's a CI.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:12 - 1:59:12)
No,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:12 - 1:59:12)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:59:12 - 1:59:12)
that's that's

[Speaker 2] (1:59:12 - 1:59:13)
a capital expense.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:13 - 1:59:13)
a capital expense.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:13 - 1:59:14)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:14 - 1:59:14)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:59:14 - 1:59:14)
but

[Speaker 3] (1:59:14 - 1:59:14)
a capital

[Speaker 2] (1:59:14 - 1:59:14)
it gets paid

[Speaker 3] (1:59:14 - 1:59:15)
expense that's captured in

[Speaker 2] (1:59:15 - 1:59:16)
out

[Speaker 3] (1:59:16 - 1:59:16)
here.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:16 - 1:59:17)
of here.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:19 - 1:59:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:20 - 1:59:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:21 - 1:59:22)
It's not okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:22 - 1:59:22)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:59:22 - 1:59:23)
but

[Speaker 2] (1:59:23 - 1:59:24)
a capital expense.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:24 - 1:59:25)
So it's...

[Speaker 1] (1:59:25 - 1:59:27)
it gets paid out of this out of this out of these retained earnings

[Speaker 4] (1:59:28 - 1:59:29)
It gets paid out of this bill.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:31 - 1:59:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:34 - 1:59:35)
That's like three million dollars,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:35 - 1:59:36)
I think,

[Speaker 5] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
Over

[Speaker 1] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
if

[Speaker 5] (1:59:36 - 1:59:37)
two years, I think, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:37 - 1:59:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:38 - 1:59:39)
That's for purchasing insulation.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:41 - 1:59:43)
And that's every how many seven years?

[Speaker 4] (1:59:43 - 1:59:44)
It's

[Speaker 5] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:59:44 - 1:59:44)
a 15

[Speaker 5] (1:59:44 - 1:59:46)
think we're beyond 10 right now.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:46 - 1:59:47)
But the

[Speaker 1] (1:59:47 - 1:59:48)
It goes fast.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:48 - 1:59:48)
further

[Speaker 1] (1:59:48 - 1:59:49)
I mean, I remember I think

[Speaker 5] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
we my go

[Speaker 1] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
sister.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:49 - 1:59:50)
to the.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:50 - 1:59:52)
more inaccurate it can become that's

[Speaker 1] (1:59:52 - 1:59:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:53 - 1:59:56)
part of the motivation for making sure that we stay on top of it

[Speaker 1] (1:59:56 - 1:59:58)
What's our current rate of loss?

[Speaker 1] (1:59:58 - 1:59:59)
Is it over 20%?

[Speaker 2] (2:00:01 - 2:00:02)
I would

[Speaker 1] (2:00:02 - 2:00:03)
Number I heard floating around.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:03 - 2:00:04)
I just wanted to know

[Speaker 2] (2:00:04 - 2:00:04)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:04 - 2:00:04)
from

[Speaker 2] (2:00:04 - 2:00:05)
I've heard that number too.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:05 - 2:00:05)
you.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:05 - 2:00:09)
So I would need to check with Gino on what what

[Speaker 4] (2:00:09 - 2:00:10)
What the actual is?

[Speaker 2] (2:00:10 - 2:00:11)
is for unaccounted water.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:11 - 2:00:11)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:00:12 - 2:00:13)
Yeah, which I can do

[Speaker 1] (2:00:16 - 2:00:33)
That is something that I'm I think I've stated this is something I'd like to make a priority on for us to be able to attack in many different ways as possible using uh Warner and Sewer Advisory Committee as well as as there's a lot of brain power there that

[Speaker 4] (2:00:33 - 2:00:34)
Oh yeah, it's a good idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:34 - 2:00:36)
that wants to to help with that.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:37 - 2:00:39)
So I can get that data point. I will say for

[Speaker 2] (2:00:39 - 2:00:50)
purposes of setting this rate, the assessment is locked in for M_W_R_A_ for example. So if we have a account for water, we're trying to like chase that down and close the gap.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:51 - 2:00:51)
That

[Speaker 1] (2:00:51 - 2:00:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:51 - 2:00:53)
might help us in a future year.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:53 - 2:00:57)
But this year we we have to set a rate that you know we'll pay for this year's budget.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:58 - 2:00:59)
Understand.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:59 - 2:01:01)
Patrick, if you wouldn't mind for the next meeting

[Speaker 2] (2:01:01 - 2:01:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:02 - 2:01:08)
just including a slide of what we talked about last year and the thought process so we can see what the plan was that

[Speaker 2] (2:01:08 - 2:01:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:08 - 2:01:09)
we looked at so

[Speaker 2] (2:01:09 - 2:01:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:09 - 2:01:18)
that we can understand why your recommendation matches exactly what we kind of planned for last year and not recreate the wheel but really understand where that's coming from.

[Speaker 2] (2:01:20 - 2:01:20)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:20 - 2:01:25)
Yeah, if you could show us what your forecast for operations is,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:25 - 2:01:29)
including your debt, your debt line item and

[Speaker 4] (2:01:30 - 2:01:35)
what the amount would be for retained earnings at fifteen, eighteen and twenty percent.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:41 - 2:01:45)
Do you have any other questions or any comments for Patrick on this piece?

[Speaker 1] (2:01:45 - 2:01:46)
It's a good conversation.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:46 - 2:01:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:47 - 2:01:47)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (2:01:47 - 2:01:47)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:47 - 2:01:49)
you Patrick, lots of work, appreciate you.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:53 - 2:01:55)
Okay, we are moving on.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:58 - 2:02:02)
On to discussion of possible vote on resident parking on Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:03 - 2:02:12)
So this was a topic that came in, I believe, to Mary Ellen and maybe others related to misuse of the resident parking spots.

[Speaker 5] (2:02:12 - 2:02:26)
What we identified after the original email is that there are signs that need to be replaced in addition to the similar question that was raised earlier around enforcement and making sure that only folks that are

[Speaker 5] (2:02:27 - 2:02:47)
legally allowed to park there are parking there and what we're doing to to enforce that so we included this on the agenda with the expectation that there were further comments that you wanted to add in addition to replacing signage making sure that that's readable updated legible and certainly I think this it feeds into the earlier brief discussion about

[Speaker 5] (2:02:47 - 2:02:52)
Resident parking at large, but also in the immediate area. So I'll turn it over to you, Muriel.

[Speaker 6] (2:02:52 - 2:03:02)
So I brought this up because I've received a number of calls about the problems in this in this area and I'll read one letter okay you can put this into the record.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:02 - 2:03:05)
This is a letter from a resident Nicole McGee.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:06 - 2:03:14)
She can't be here tonight because she's working and so she says hello I'm a resident of Ingalls Terrace and requesting resident.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:14 - 2:03:20)
only signs because at times the street is becoming congested with beach goers vehicles.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:20 - 2:03:25)
There also has been an uptake in overnight parking with vehicles lining the street on both sides.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:25 - 2:03:27)
The street is very tight,

[Speaker 6] (2:03:27 - 2:03:36)
dead, it's a dead-end street, and hoping resident only parking signs would help ensure the limited parking be primary for the residents on Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:36 - 2:03:39)
The signs would also help ensure the streets stay safe.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:39 - 2:03:47)
if with a reasonable amount of vehicles parked on it allowing emergency personnel vehicles to easily access it even as an emergency.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:47 - 2:03:51)
Thank you. Nicole McGee, resident 23 Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:53 - 2:04:14)
I brought this up at our select board meeting on Saturday and Katie asked me if I would just run up there and double check what it actually looks like. So at 2 o'clock the Saturday that we had our meeting I did go up to Ingalls Terrace and it was lined on both sides with cars,

[Speaker 6] (2:04:14 - 2:04:17)
lined all the way up and all the way down.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:17 - 2:04:26)
And there are signs on almost every pole saying no parking from what is our no parking? Is it April to October?

[Speaker 6] (2:04:26 - 2:04:31)
And yet there is parking up and down and there were no parking stickers on any of the vehicles.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:31 - 2:04:32)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:04:34 - 2:04:38)
Ms. McGee is not the only person who called with a complaint.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:38 - 2:04:42)
There's also a couple other neighbors that called, but I don't think they can make it tonight.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:43 - 2:04:47)
So the request is going to be to have it adjusted to resident parking.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:47 - 2:04:56)
So is that a vote that you all would like to take tonight, or do you want us to do a similar outreach or make it part of the Cedar Hill

[Speaker 4] (2:04:56 - 2:04:57)
Well, my first

[Speaker 5] (2:04:57 - 2:04:57)
Terrace?

[Speaker 4] (2:04:57 - 2:05:01)
question is why aren't the police ticketing those cars?

[Speaker 4] (2:05:01 - 2:05:03)
Have we had that conversation yet?

[Speaker 5] (2:05:03 - 2:05:04)
I have not.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:04 - 2:05:10)
Have we asked them that, you know, we went up at 2 o'clock on a Saturday and there were all these people parked on both sides.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:11 - 2:05:14)
Have we even looked at that part of it yet at all or?

[Speaker 5] (2:05:14 - 2:05:23)
So the questions around enforcement I think will be best served not only by my conversation but by them hearing directly from you in residence to be completely honest.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:25 - 2:05:31)
On any enforcement we can ask them to sort of be cognizant, but we can't direct someone to write a ticket.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:31 - 2:05:32)
Right, of course.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:32 - 2:05:43)
Um, so you know having that public hearing that can talk about this in addition to Theatre Hill I think would be very useful. Having both Captain Cable and uh Chief of Sagata here will also be useful in that regard.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:44 - 2:05:45)
Well, I think it's like a

[Speaker 4] (2:05:46 - 2:05:51)
problem that seems to be rearing its head in multiple streets,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:51 - 2:05:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:51 - 2:06:00)
multiple areas, and it's got a consistent theme where, you know, we've got people with un, you know, stickered cars that it's, there's just really no

[Speaker 4] (2:06:01 - 2:06:25)
um follow-up or or no monitoring of it right so it seems to be a bigger problem not just specifically one street or Ingalls Terrace or Cedar Hill it seems to be a repeating theme so I would like to get the chief here to understand what exactly his plan is for this type of situation right it's a bigger parking conversation it's not just a one-off right with one specific street that's my first thought

[Speaker 5] (2:06:25 - 2:06:28)
The other piece of feedback around resident parking

[Speaker 5] (2:06:29 - 2:06:35)
broadly is questions about if I am a resident and I don't live on Pine,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:35 - 2:06:38)
but I have a resident sticker and I want to go to the train station

[Speaker 1] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:38 - 2:06:40)
or I don't live on Ingalls and I want to go to the beach,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:40 - 2:06:46)
you know, which I think is part of the larger discussion of how we want to go about enforcement in the future, because it is.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:48 - 2:06:49)
opaque right

[Speaker 4] (2:06:49 - 2:06:50)
It is, I

[Speaker 5] (2:06:50 - 2:06:50)
now.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:50 - 2:06:50)
agree.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:51 - 2:06:51)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:06:51 - 2:06:51)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:06:51 - 2:06:51)
a good way

[Speaker 4] (2:06:51 - 2:06:51)
agree.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:51 - 2:06:52)
to describe it.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:52 - 2:06:52)
People are confused.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:53 - 2:06:54)
They don't know if they have this sticker,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:55 - 2:06:57)
do I, can I park here? Does this sticker cover me if I'm here?

[Speaker 4] (2:06:58 - 2:06:59)
It's not an easy to understand

[Speaker 5] (2:06:59 - 2:06:59)
Like

[Speaker 4] (2:06:59 - 2:06:59)
system.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:59 - 2:07:00)
recreation sticker.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:00 - 2:07:01)
Right, like what does that cover?

[Speaker 4] (2:07:01 - 2:07:03)
If I live here and I park here,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:03 - 2:07:05)
is that okay or is that not okay?

[Speaker 4] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
Or,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:06 - 2:07:11)
you know, are we sure all of these people are just people going to the beach and they're parking up there?

[Speaker 4] (2:07:11 - 2:07:14)
Or is it people that don't understand that they can't park ever?

[Speaker 4] (2:07:14 - 2:07:16)
ever what so I think there's a it's

[Speaker 6] (2:07:16 - 2:07:17)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17)
a very as fair question

[Speaker 6] (2:07:17 - 2:07:18)
far as parking,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:18 - 2:07:24)
I mean, we have serious issues just in the fisherman's parking lot,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:24 - 2:07:29)
you know? I mean, on Saturday afternoon at 227,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:30 - 2:07:33)
not with Saturday, maybe it was Sunday afternoon, Sunday afternoon,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:33 - 2:07:37)
227, there were 11 cars.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:38 - 2:07:50)
Eleven cars parked there with no stickers whatsoever. And the lot was packed. So if a Swamp Scout resident with a recreational parking sticker wanted to go over there and park, they couldn't.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:50 - 2:07:51)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:51 - 2:07:53)
And there are no

[Speaker 1] (2:07:53 - 2:07:54)
tickets Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:54 - 2:07:55)
on the cars.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:55 - 2:07:55)
Saturday.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:55 - 2:07:56)
And that's what's confusing.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:56 - 2:07:58)
Saturday I went there and I saw

[Speaker 7] (2:07:59 - 2:08:01)
So I'm parked in a handicapped spot, didn't have a placard.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:02 - 2:08:02)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:02 - 2:08:03)
Oh, Jesus.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:03 - 2:08:07)
They weren't parked in one handicapped spot, they were parked right on the line in two handicapped

[Speaker 6] (2:08:07 - 2:08:07)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:07 - 2:08:07)
spots.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:07 - 2:08:08)
you're talking about the BMW.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:09 - 2:08:10)
Yes I am.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:10 - 2:08:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:10 - 2:08:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:10 - 2:08:11)
I saw the same car.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:11 - 2:08:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:12 - 2:08:12)
Re scroll

[Speaker 4] (2:08:12 - 2:08:13)
So it's it.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:13 - 2:08:19)
scrolling out from this little bit, um that's a nerdy term to use, I'm sorry. Um

[Speaker 7] (2:08:20 - 2:08:23)
I think we have to have that broader conversation on enforcement regardless Yeah, if it's Ingalls

[Speaker 4] (2:08:23 - 2:08:23)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:23 - 2:08:25)
Terrace, Cedar Hill, the park the

[Speaker 1] (2:08:25 - 2:08:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:25 - 2:08:35)
fishery's parking lot. The report that I think Marcie's office got a grant to do in 2017 for Metropolitan Area Planning Council studied parking on Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:35 - 2:08:36)
whether we should angle the spots,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:37 - 2:08:40)
whether we should do parking meter,

[Speaker 7] (2:08:40 - 2:08:42)
a whole bunch of different solutions and

[Speaker 7] (2:08:43 - 2:08:57)
It's been a couple months since I've read it, but the biggest takeaway from it wasn't necessarily the quantity of spots in the area is low, said we should improve that if we can, but the number one inhibitor was cars aren't circulating, so cars are parking illegally. And

[Speaker 4] (2:08:57 - 2:08:57)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:08:57 - 2:08:59)
that, to me, roots in the management.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:02 - 2:09:03)
Right, or both.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:03 - 2:09:05)
somp uh or a combination thereof,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:05 - 2:09:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:05 - 2:09:09)
that is the number one easiest thing to look at.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:09 - 2:09:12)
versus trying to buy parking spots or whatever we may have to have

[Speaker 4] (2:09:12 - 2:09:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:12 - 2:09:13)
in a conversation in the

[Speaker 4] (2:09:13 - 2:09:13)
When

[Speaker 1] (2:09:13 - 2:09:13)
future.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:13 - 2:09:15)
you say circulating, meaning they're not coming They're in and out.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:15 - 2:09:16)
not turning over.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:16 - 2:09:16)
They're not

[Speaker 4] (2:09:16 - 2:09:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:16 - 2:09:16)
turning

[Speaker 4] (2:09:16 - 2:09:17)
no

[Speaker 6] (2:09:17 - 2:09:17)
They're

[Speaker 4] (2:09:17 - 2:09:17)
over. turnover.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:17 - 2:09:18)
parking a two-hour spot

[Speaker 6] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
that's

[Speaker 5] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
You're

[Speaker 1] (2:09:18 - 2:09:18)
now spending

[Speaker 6] (2:09:18 - 2:09:19)
having a two-hour limit or

[Speaker 1] (2:09:19 - 2:09:19)
four

[Speaker 6] (2:09:19 - 2:09:20)
whatever.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:20 - 2:09:21)
hours in or longer.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:21 - 2:09:33)
Well, we we you sent us a report and said between June 1 and June 25th, June 20th, there were 25 tickets written on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:35 - 2:09:37)
So that's an average of what,

[Speaker 6] (2:09:37 - 2:09:43)
1.1% of tickets that are being written on Humphrey Street?

[Speaker 7] (2:09:44 - 2:09:45)
Hmm?

[Speaker 6] (2:09:45 - 2:09:46)
A little bit over one ticket a day,

[Speaker 7] (2:09:46 - 2:09:47)
One ticket a day, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:47 - 2:09:50)
one ticket a day being written on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:50 - 2:09:56)
And I just think that I think from a town administrator's seat,

[Speaker 6] (2:09:56 - 2:09:59)
I think a conversation might be.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:00 - 2:10:02)
I think it's been made clear,

[Speaker 8] (2:10:02 - 2:10:09)
not on angles specifically, but across broadly that parking enforcement is a significant concern that I have,

[Speaker 6] (2:10:09 - 2:10:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:10 - 2:10:15)
reflecting the conversations that you all have had as a board and that the public comment that's been made here.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:15 - 2:10:15)
Mm

[Speaker 8] (2:10:15 - 2:10:15)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:10:15 - 2:10:15)
-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:15 - 2:10:20)
don't think that's lost on the chief, on Captain Cable, or on any of the officers.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:22 - 2:10:22)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (2:10:22 - 2:10:23)
As

[Speaker 6] (2:10:23 - 2:10:23)
then I guess.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:23 - 2:10:27)
I said, it is not legal to direct someone to

[Speaker 6] (2:10:27 - 2:10:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:27 - 2:10:28)
write a ticket.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:28 - 2:10:34)
It is certainly important for us to highlight it as a priority of enforcement for all of the reasons that you're outlining today.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:35 - 2:10:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:10:35 - 2:10:35)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:35 - 2:10:35)
I think

[Speaker 6] (2:10:35 - 2:10:36)
I think

[Speaker 1] (2:10:36 - 2:10:36)
it's

[Speaker 6] (2:10:36 - 2:10:39)
it's more not necessarily directing someone to write a ticket.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:39 - 2:10:52)
It's really just understanding what that department head or, you know, the chief's plan is to make his department more efficient in terms of what they're.

[Speaker 9] (2:10:52 - 2:10:56)
you know, job responsibilities are regarding enforcement,

[Speaker 9] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
right?

[Speaker 8] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
Mm

[Speaker 9] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:10:56 - 2:10:57)
we're not going to say,

[Speaker 9] (2:10:57 - 2:10:58)
Chief,

[Speaker 9] (2:10:58 - 2:10:59)
you got to write 25 tickets a month,

[Speaker 6] (2:10:59 - 2:11:00)
Oh, yeah, I know.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:00 - 2:11:00)
right?

[Speaker 9] (2:11:00 - 2:11:01)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:01 - 2:11:01)
No.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:01 - 2:11:01)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:01 - 2:11:01)
No.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:01 - 2:11:05)
but we have documented, right,

[Speaker 9] (2:11:05 - 2:11:14)
incidences of people that are parking illegally without having tickets. So I want to understand from him what his plan is to address that,

[Speaker 8] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:14 - 2:11:16)
right, efficiently or effectively.

[Speaker 9] (2:11:17 - 2:11:19)
Because it doesn't seem to be either of those things right now.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:19 - 2:11:31)
And like in for Cedar Terrace, I mean, people are coming home, residents are coming home that are having trouble getting into their driveways. They're having trouble just having relatives come by,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:31 - 2:11:32)
you know.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:32 - 2:11:34)
I think cedar cedar her her is also

[Speaker 6] (2:11:34 - 2:11:36)
I'm sorry, not senior terrorists. I'm talking about

[Speaker 4] (2:11:36 - 2:11:36)
Ingalls.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:36 - 2:11:36)
Ingalls.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:36 - 2:11:37)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:37 - 2:11:37)
Ingalls.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:37 - 2:11:37)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:37 - 2:11:37)
Sorry

[Speaker 9] (2:11:37 - 2:11:37)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:11:37 - 2:11:38)
about that.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:38 - 2:11:58)
The one thing I will say on Ingalls is, and I only know this because the last project that we approved when I was on the planning board was on Ingalls Terrace, the lot lines there are very strange in that it's very hard to tell what is the public street versus the public sidewalk versus what you would consider someone's front lawn but it's actually looks identical to the street. So the lot lines there are a little

[Speaker 1] (2:11:58 - 2:12:03)
little confusing. I haven't been there to look to see if that intersects with the parking issue at all.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:04 - 2:12:07)
But it's helpful to just have that context in the back of your head.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:07 - 2:12:10)
Is parking allowed anywhere on Eagle Stairs?

[Speaker 1] (2:12:10 - 2:12:12)
I don't know. I No, think it's.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:12 - 2:12:16)
not during April to October.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:17 - 2:12:18)
Okay, none.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:18 - 2:12:20)
It says no parking on almost

[Speaker 4] (2:12:20 - 2:12:20)
No,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:20 - 2:12:20)
every

[Speaker 4] (2:12:20 - 2:12:21)
no, we don't go across.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:21 - 2:12:23)
orange sign orange sign no parking

[Speaker 9] (2:12:24 - 2:12:24)
Is that correct?

[Speaker 8] (2:12:24 - 2:12:25)
I

[Speaker 9] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25)
I mean,

[Speaker 8] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25)
believe

[Speaker 9] (2:12:25 - 2:12:25)
it should that

[Speaker 8] (2:12:25 - 2:12:28)
that it's supposed to be resident or permit,

[Speaker 8] (2:12:28 - 2:12:39)
you know, especially during those periods because that's when the beach users would be most likely to be in the neighborhood. That's part of replacing the signage with something that's legible and enforceable.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:40 - 2:12:40)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:40 - 2:12:45)
So that's a question, I think. I d I would love to see the chief here at the next meeting to really talk about this stuff.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:45 - 2:12:55)
Ted, to your point, what you're saying is confusing. I don't know if it makes sense, and this is part of the conversation we can have at next meeting, is do you delineate exactly where the car is supposed to be.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:56 - 2:13:07)
Well, it's one of those streets from a planning perspective where you look at it's a lot of the the street has undergone some level of redevelopment in the last 15 years, so there's a lot of what used to be probably a single-family cottage that's now a two or three family

[Speaker 4] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:07 - 2:13:08)
condo

[Speaker 4] (2:13:08 - 2:13:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:08 - 2:13:08)
building

[Speaker 9] (2:13:08 - 2:13:09)
Multi-unit.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:09 - 2:13:15)
where they've did creative parking engineering to oh, I can fit a park a car there,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:15 - 2:13:17)
I could fit another one around the corner here,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:17 - 2:13:22)
so there's creative parking solutions that in some point in the past an engineer did to

[Speaker 1] (2:13:22 - 2:13:27)
redevelop those parcels. My point of bringing it up is I could see a world where,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:27 - 2:13:35)
oh that's actually parked on their private property, but it's hard to tell it's private property because it's snug right up to the sidewalk and it looks the exact same as the sidewalk, so

[Speaker 4] (2:13:35 - 2:13:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:35 - 2:13:43)
it's hard to delineate that. But that's, you know, like I said, I haven't looked at it with a parking lens in mind. I only looked at it from a planning perspective,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:43 - 2:13:45)
you know, eight months ago now.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:47 - 2:13:47)
I think,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:47 - 2:13:48)
but

[Speaker 9] (2:13:48 - 2:13:50)
would you ask the chief? I would like to see him here at the

[Speaker 1] (2:13:50 - 2:13:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:13:50 - 2:14:03)
f I I mean or this whole board would like to see him at this next meeting so we can understand what his plan is, or his designee if there is one that is now dealing with parking or traffic or whatever the I'd like to see the chief, that too.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:04 - 2:14:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:04 - 2:14:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:04 - 2:14:06)
I think it also is helpful,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:06 - 2:14:10)
I mean this is the second street re well, the third parking incident in

[Speaker 9] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:10 - 2:14:12)
two months, right, or area of concern,

[Speaker 9] (2:14:12 - 2:14:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:12 - 2:14:13)
right, that we're talking about.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:13 - 2:14:14)
It's right.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:14 - 2:14:14)
Sorry, go ahead.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:14 - 2:14:15)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:15 - 2:14:18)
not to interrupt you and not to...

[Speaker 9] (2:14:20 - 2:14:21)
Not to knock the chief, but this is the third,

[Speaker 9] (2:14:22 - 2:14:24)
so we've got Cedar Hill, we've got this, and didn't we have another,

[Speaker 9] (2:14:25 - 2:14:26)
I feel like, was it Pitman?

[Speaker 9] (2:14:26 - 2:14:28)
Or there was another street where,

[Speaker 8] (2:14:28 - 2:14:30)
I think earlier in my time, like a few months back

[Speaker 9] (2:14:30 - 2:14:30)
it

[Speaker 8] (2:14:30 - 2:14:30)
time,

[Speaker 9] (2:14:30 - 2:14:31)
might be.

[Speaker 8] (2:14:31 - 2:14:33)
there were conflicts on time where there were commercial

[Speaker 9] (2:14:33 - 2:14:34)
The vehicles difficulty is

[Speaker 8] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
and

[Speaker 9] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
we're

[Speaker 8] (2:14:34 - 2:14:35)
others were having staying.

[Speaker 9] (2:14:35 - 2:14:39)
a conversation without somebody from the police department present to help us, right, understand,

[Speaker 9] (2:14:39 - 2:14:39)
so.

[Speaker 8] (2:14:39 - 2:14:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:40 - 2:14:44)
Well, and part of my bringing that up is we're going to continue to see this happen as

[Speaker 1] (2:14:44 - 2:14:47)
our town becomes more of a

[Speaker 9] (2:14:47 - 2:14:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:48 - 2:14:58)
destination for people in the area they want to go to our wonderful successful restaurants those are all great things but we have a fixed number of parking spots that we have to make work for all of these thriving businesses that help contribute

[Speaker 9] (2:14:58 - 2:14:59)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:59 - 2:14:59)
to we're our

[Speaker 9] (2:14:59 - 2:15:02)
going taxes to see that in the next two points coming We up, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:15:02 - 2:15:05)
are but I think we just need to also have that context

[Speaker 9] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:05 - 2:15:06)
of

[Speaker 9] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
for sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:07 - 2:15:09)
parking management will be helpful and it will get us

[Speaker 1] (2:15:10 - 2:15:12)
You know, further than we are today, but

[Speaker 6] (2:15:12 - 2:15:12)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:12 - 2:15:12)
it

[Speaker 6] (2:15:12 - 2:15:13)
you could

[Speaker 1] (2:15:13 - 2:15:13)
may not

[Speaker 6] (2:15:13 - 2:15:13)
be better.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:13 - 2:15:18)
deliver the perfect solution the silver bullet that we're looking for without some other solution,

[Speaker 6] (2:15:18 - 2:15:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:18 - 2:15:19)
not suggesting what that solution might be.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:20 - 2:15:21)
So just to distinguish,

[Speaker 8] (2:15:21 - 2:15:24)
I feel like you're more focused on Humphrey and

[Speaker 1] (2:15:24 - 2:15:26)
The whole area 'cause I think they intersect

[Speaker 8] (2:15:26 - 2:15:26)
my,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:26 - 2:15:29)
with each other with all of the streets adjacent and off of Humphrey.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:30 - 2:15:36)
just to underline, my concern is just making things resident only off of Humphrey.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:36 - 2:15:48)
Is people that get resident stickers on other streets that are not adjacent and not in the area and that to me when I was saying opaque that is something I push the police on quite a bit to like how

[Speaker 9] (2:15:48 - 2:15:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:48 - 2:15:49)
do you decide is

[Speaker 9] (2:15:49 - 2:15:49)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:15:49 - 2:16:00)
it directed enforcement on pine and that's the example that it came the context that came up in for me if it is it a resident calling and saying there's a commercial vehicle or someone's been parked there all day I think I saw them walk to the train

[Speaker 8] (2:16:01 - 2:16:04)
How do you determine, if they have a resident sticker that's

[Speaker 6] (2:16:04 - 2:16:04)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:04 - 2:16:05)
active,

[Speaker 8] (2:16:05 - 2:16:07)
like why are they being ticketed? It's like, well,

[Speaker 8] (2:16:07 - 2:16:08)
how far are they from...

[Speaker 1] (2:16:08 - 2:16:10)
Can you do that? I didn't even know you could do that. Can you do

[Speaker 9] (2:16:10 - 2:16:10)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:16:10 - 2:16:10)
that?

[Speaker 9] (2:16:10 - 2:16:11)
don't know.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:11 - 2:16:13)
I can get a resident sticker and park in any resident spot now?

[Speaker 6] (2:16:13 - 2:16:15)
That's a great question, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:16:15 - 2:16:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:16:16 - 2:16:17)
Pretty

[Speaker 1] (2:16:17 - 2:16:17)
It's

[Speaker 9] (2:16:17 - 2:16:17)
much.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:17 - 2:16:18)
been missing out all these years

[Speaker 9] (2:16:18 - 2:16:19)
Yeah. So this is the type

[Speaker 8] (2:16:19 - 2:16:19)
So,

[Speaker 9] (2:16:19 - 2:16:20)
of situation.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:20 - 2:16:21)
there's resident sector, then there's recreation.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:21 - 2:16:22)
right.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:22 - 2:16:39)
But I'm just saying on the resident side, I think that is a larger conversation to just say whether we go in the direction of communities that have zones and you sort of cut the map and post it everywhere and spend time on education before enforcement really starts. So some stickers are red,

[Speaker 8] (2:16:39 - 2:16:40)
some are blue,

[Speaker 8] (2:16:40 - 2:16:41)
some are orange,

[Speaker 9] (2:16:41 - 2:16:41)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:41 - 2:16:41)
some are green.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:41 - 2:16:43)
I mean, you know, I

[Speaker 1] (2:16:43 - 2:16:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:16:43 - 2:16:54)
that might be a question that we need to address going forward so that it's not a resident that gets a resident sticker and then parks on a resident-only street that's near Humphrey or near the beach or whatever the case may be.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:54 - 2:16:58)
Yeah, I think that all is part of a comprehensive parking conversation that

[Speaker 9] (2:16:58 - 2:16:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:58 - 2:17:04)
we'll have to be informed from the chief on and ourselves on where we're going to take this direction in the next few months.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:04 - 2:17:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:07 - 2:17:10)
Okay, so do we want to what do we want to do

[Speaker 6] (2:17:10 - 2:17:17)
here? I think we want to move we want to I don't think we want to vote on this tonight only let's just stay in line with what we've been doing and put

[Speaker 1] (2:17:17 - 2:17:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:18 - 2:17:23)
it on to the next meeting this way in case somebody that lives in that area wants to come in and say something they have the opportunity.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:23 - 2:17:26)
And we'll plan to fire Ingalls Terrace,

[Speaker 1] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
Good.

[Speaker 8] (2:17:26 - 2:17:31)
and sort of we did the 300 feet from Al's house last time, we'll do all of Ingalls Terrace.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:31 - 2:17:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:32 - 2:17:34)
Okay. I would wonder also if

[Speaker 1] (2:17:35 - 2:17:41)
There's um it seems like the hashing at the bottom of Cedar Hill was helpful sounds like from some of the residents

[Speaker 4] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
is

[Speaker 4] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:41 - 2:17:50)
there additional strategies beyond just replacing the signs that might be helpful in that area similar to hashing or something I don't know if that's an issue that would fix it there, but

[Speaker 6] (2:17:50 - 2:17:51)
I think we just have to ask the neighbors.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:52 - 2:17:52)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:52 - 2:17:53)
Yeah maybe that's what it is,

[Speaker 4] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:53 - 2:17:55)
but looking at that

[Speaker 6] (2:17:55 - 2:17:56)
I can I'll follow up on

[Speaker 1] (2:17:56 - 2:17:56)
with

[Speaker 6] (2:17:56 - 2:17:56)
with

[Speaker 1] (2:17:56 - 2:17:56)
other solutions

[Speaker 6] (2:17:56 - 2:17:58)
it I'll follow up with the people that are called.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:59 - 2:18:00)
complementary solutions.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:01 - 2:18:07)
Okay, so now we're moving on to discussion and possible vote on recycling and solid waste service contract and fees.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:08 - 2:18:11)
Okay, let me just share a couple slides.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:22 - 2:18:25)
So there are a few different topics that I just wanted to give an update.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:26 - 2:18:30)
anticipated delivery. They're requesting for additional carts. These are things we talked about at the last meeting.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:31 - 2:18:39)
Contract discussion and potentially about the authorize and then the extra cart fee discussion and about potentially from you all as well.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:39 - 2:18:43)
So I will go through these. Feel free to stop me at any point with questions.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:44 - 2:18:49)
This is based on the conversations we've had both with the vendor for the barrels and with Republic.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:49 - 2:18:53)
We are on track for the week of the 20th for the delivery of the barrels.

[Speaker 8] (2:18:53 - 2:18:54)
It will include a flyer with

[Speaker 1] (2:19:02 - 2:19:13)
Tomorrow is our check-in with Republic and Dan Higgins, so I will be happy to share with you all directly but also post on the update if there's any change in that schedule based on tomorrow's check-in.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:14 - 2:19:16)
The other thing I just want to highlight here,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:16 - 2:19:21)
after talking to Wayne and the chair of the Solid Waste Advisory Committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:21 - 2:19:36)
we're looking at that second week in August for the first curbside pickup of the old barrels and then we'll also have during business hours in August the opportunity for folks to drop off their old recycling barrels.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:36 - 2:19:38)
The options will be reuse.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:39 - 2:19:42)
you know dispose of through us or you know

[Speaker 1] (2:19:43 - 2:20:00)
figure out some other way out. We wanna give it the the easiest way to do it obviously would be curb side for most folks, but we wanna give the opportunity, if they miss that for whatever reason, we wanna continue to use it or decide after the fact, um they can recycle by dropping off at the D.P.W. as well. Our first hope would sincerely be reuse, maybe use for yard waste or

[Speaker 2] (2:20:00 - 2:20:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:00 - 2:20:01)
something like that.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:01 - 2:20:04)
So now this is the pickup of the small bit, the smaller

[Speaker 1] (2:20:04 - 2:20:07)
This is the pickup of any privately owned

[Speaker 2] (2:20:07 - 2:20:07)
Anyone. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:07 - 2:20:08)
uh

[Speaker 3] (2:20:08 - 2:20:09)
Your two ninety five gallons.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:10 - 2:20:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:11 - 2:20:11)
65.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
No,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
No,

[Speaker 4] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
she she

[Speaker 3] (2:20:12 - 2:20:13)
she has 95s.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:13 - 2:20:14)
has the same

[Speaker 1] (2:20:14 - 2:20:14)
Cycling

[Speaker 4] (2:20:14 - 2:20:14)
ones.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:14 - 2:20:14)
at home.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:14 - 2:20:14)
I told

[Speaker 4] (2:20:14 - 2:20:15)
Yeah, she has you, the same

[Speaker 2] (2:20:15 - 2:20:15)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:20:15 - 2:20:15)
You

[Speaker 2] (2:20:15 - 2:20:15)
checked.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:15 - 2:20:17)
have 95s? I have huge ones.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:17 - 2:20:19)
I think yours might be 65s.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:19 - 2:20:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:19 - 2:20:20)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:20 - 2:20:20)
Either way,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:20 - 2:20:20)
All

[Speaker 3] (2:20:20 - 2:20:21)
your two

[Speaker 1] (2:20:21 - 2:20:21)
right.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:21 - 2:20:21)
blue ones.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:21 - 2:20:24)
Can you measure them when you get home just so we can?

[Speaker 2] (2:20:24 - 2:20:26)
Your two blue ones.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:26 - 2:20:28)
Your two blue ones can...

[Speaker 2] (2:20:29 - 2:20:29)
Of course.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:29 - 2:20:30)
So, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:30 - 2:20:33)
we'll pick them up and we'll work with Republic.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:33 - 2:20:47)
They will come through and pick them up at the curbside, but as I said, our real hope is to limit that to just when is necessary and folks find a reason and a way to reuse them at home so that we're not just sort of replacing one barrel with another and throwing something else into the stream.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:48 - 2:20:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:49 - 2:20:50)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:50 - 2:20:53)
So for additional carts,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:53 - 2:20:54)
we have...

[Speaker 1] (2:20:54 - 2:20:58)
You can request, there are a limited number of carts for smaller recycling,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:58 - 2:21:00)
which will be the 65-gallon that we've ordered.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:00 - 2:21:00)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:01 - 2:21:01)
Again,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:01 - 2:21:06)
I just want to highlight what we're thinking right now is the real goal is for those with mobility issues and seniors,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:07 - 2:21:11)
people that might have a hard time sort of maneuvering and handling the larger one.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:13 - 2:21:14)
If we run out of inventory,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:15 - 2:21:20)
we are certainly open to ordering more, but we'd like to really get a temperature for what those requests look like.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:20 - 2:21:20)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:20 - 2:21:24)
That's now live on the town website at swampscottma.gov slash trash.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:25 - 2:21:25)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:25 - 2:21:28)
That will be a request that is being made.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:28 - 2:21:32)
As I have at the bottom of the second bullet there,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:32 - 2:21:35)
there's going to be a discussion night tonight about the fee for that second barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:36 - 2:21:38)
For the smaller recycling barrel,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:38 - 2:21:38)
that's...

[Speaker 1] (2:21:39 - 2:22:04)
something that we will do, but it's a one time you get the smaller recycling and if we go to every other week recycling later in the year or at some point in the future you're still with your sixty five gallon we're not providing for free a ninety five gallon. You can return it and and purchase another one, but um we're we're not gonna be able to do sort of the goldilocks idea of, you know, now that we're going to every other week, anyone who had previously requested sixty five now wants something larger. It's

[Speaker 4] (2:22:04 - 2:22:04)
Nope.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:04 - 2:22:07)
It's not something we'll be able to accommodate,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:07 - 2:22:07)
unfortunately.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:09 - 2:22:11)
So that's the smaller recycling,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:11 - 2:22:25)
and then there's the opportunity based on the discussion we had, and Wayne will talk about this a little bit more, um to request an additional, for a fee, an annual fee, request an additional trash barrel if you're a user of the bags on a regular basis,

[Speaker 3] (2:22:26 - 2:22:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:26 - 2:22:36)
you know, week to week to week. So that uh it's something that will help us maintain the service levels that we want. And then also I c I think this is a very much an edge case outside of maybe the commercial district on

[Speaker 1] (2:22:37 - 2:22:42)
Humphrey, there will be an opportunity for a fee to have a second 95-gallon trash barrel as well.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:42 - 2:22:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:42 - 2:22:43)
But again,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:44 - 2:22:46)
we are fairly confident that

[Speaker 3] (2:22:46 - 2:22:47)
You mean recycling barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:47 - 2:22:48)
thank you, yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:48 - 2:22:49)
thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:49 - 2:22:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:49 - 2:22:52)
Yeah. Oh, thank you very much. Um

[Speaker 3] (2:22:52 - 2:22:55)
Your phone was going to be ringing tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:55 - 2:23:06)
Yeah, and we again we anticipate, you know, just in sort of looking at the usage now and and Wayne's done a lot of work researching usage uh across the state uh and nationally

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:11)
We think ninety five gallons is going to be sufficient for

[Speaker 2] (2:23:11 - 2:23:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:11 - 2:23:23)
for many cases maybe not all but for many cases so it's it's an option that will be out there but again there'll be limited inventory if we get to the point that we need to order more we'll just let folks know that there's a brief delay while we get more coming in.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:24 - 2:23:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:24 - 2:23:29)
I think the biggest feedback we've had was, geez, what do I do if I have a ton of cardboard,

[Speaker 4] (2:23:29 - 2:23:29)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:23:29 - 2:23:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:30 - 2:23:32)
And will that fill up my...

[Speaker 5] (2:23:34 - 2:23:34)
nine,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:34 - 2:23:34)
I need?

[Speaker 5] (2:23:34 - 2:23:34)
eight, six gallon

[Speaker 3] (2:23:34 - 2:23:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:35 - 2:23:35)
barrel.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:35 - 2:23:36)
Yeah, fair, okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:36 - 2:23:47)
Um we will be planning at the end of the month um at least on a kind of a trial basis the pilot this out to let people bring cardboard. Only Swamp Scott residents

[Speaker 4] (2:23:47 - 2:23:48)
To metal day or whatever?

[Speaker 5] (2:23:48 - 2:23:56)
for metal and styrofoam day, yeah. Okay. Um bring to bring the cardboard if they have collected, you know, they've got they had a new water heater or a new something that

[Speaker 5] (2:23:57 - 2:23:59)
You know, that they can't fit in their barrel, bu

[Speaker 3] (2:23:59 - 2:23:59)
I Wha

[Speaker 5] (2:23:59 - 2:24:13)
would just say you know encourage neighbours to rely on other neighbours when there's probably gonna be sufficient room in their neighbour's recycling barrel to for the few times a year where you have excess cardboard to utilise that as

[Speaker 2] (2:24:13 - 2:24:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:14 - 2:24:15)
as as you can.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:15 - 2:24:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:16 - 2:24:21)
And that drop off at DPW will be again the same days that we're already staffing it, so

[Speaker 4] (2:24:21 - 2:24:21)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:21 - 2:24:26)
that it's sort of just an additional option for the community as opposed to additional option and additional cost.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:27 - 2:24:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:27 - 2:24:30)
So that's the way we're gonna try to see how it works to to start out.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:31 - 2:24:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:31 - 2:24:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:35 - 2:24:37)
So just a brief contract update.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:38 - 2:24:52)
I've shared with Wayne because he has been involved both in his prior role and now obviously the appendices that are specific to pricing for general government operations, the municipal side and the school side.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:52 - 2:25:18)
In addition to the pricing for, you know, the pricing table that was submitted as part of the R_F_P_ process, um it it tracks with what was proposed, uh the level of detail that they provided for the uh general government operations and and school operations is actually really useful because we did not have it broken out like that in their response to the original R_F_P_ it was simply, you know, here's the total annually for

[Speaker 1] (2:25:18 - 2:25:40)
school pickups as on the schedule that you gave us and here's the total for the general government operations pickups. What they gave us now is, you know, sort of a line item of if there if you're picking up a town hall four days a week it costs you this, if you go down to two days a week then you can you know do the math to figure out how much you can save. Um and that was something in working with Dan when I described that we were really interested in that information, he said if you can send the Word document

[Speaker 1] (2:25:41 - 2:25:53)
From the RFP, we will just give it to you and that way you can really plan for any changes that you would like to make in the savings you could anticipate from them. So I found that useful. I hope you did as well. I know I just got it to you this morning, but that was when we got it back.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:53 - 2:25:57)
So the language within the contract itself,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:57 - 2:26:05)
it tracks directly with their RFP proposal and they submitted a revised proposal to us in May.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:07 - 2:26:13)
As we did the introductory or did the in-depth interviews with they and the other vendors that were interested,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:13 - 2:26:19)
you know, there were some specific questions that both Mary Ellen and Wayne had asked and we pushed them on price.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:19 - 2:26:20)
And so again,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:20 - 2:26:25)
the contract tracks directly to that May 16th revision of their proposal,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:25 - 2:26:26)
the proposal itself,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:26 - 2:26:31)
and obviously the RFP. So I feel like we're in a very good spot.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:31 - 2:26:37)
Almost done. On the pricing side, as I understood it in conversations with both Wayne and Katie,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:37 - 2:26:44)
there was an idea that, you know, Wayne would take a very close look on the pricing side and Katie may take a look at it on the legal side as well.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:44 - 2:26:46)
And so the hope tonight

[Speaker 1] (2:26:46 - 2:26:58)
Obviously, I'm happy to answer questions if I'm able to for anything specific. Uh would be that they would sort of authorise those final actions by both Wayne and Katie so that we can get to the point of signing. Um

[Speaker 3] (2:26:58 - 2:26:58)
That's a good

[Speaker 1] (2:26:58 - 2:26:58)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:26:58 - 2:26:59)
idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:59 - 2:26:59)
my hope.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:00 - 2:27:00)
'Kay.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:00 - 2:27:12)
Uh so I don't know if you have any specific questions. I I think you and I have seen it more than most, you're next in line um so I don't know if there's any questions that any of the board members may have for us uh this evening, or for me.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:13 - 2:27:15)
Not at this point.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:15 - 2:27:17)
What decisions do you need from the board tonight?

[Speaker 2] (2:27:17 - 2:27:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:17 - 2:27:20)
It's it's authorizing the signature,

[Speaker 4] (2:27:20 - 2:27:20)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:20 - 2:27:21)
you

[Speaker 2] (2:27:21 - 2:27:22)
Yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:22 - 2:27:22)
know

[Speaker 1] (2:27:23 - 2:27:26)
With the steps that Wayne will take a final look with me on pricing and

[Speaker 3] (2:27:26 - 2:27:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:26 - 2:27:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:26 - 2:27:26)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:27:26 - 2:27:26)
can

[Speaker 5] (2:27:26 - 2:27:27)
have

[Speaker 1] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
plan

[Speaker 5] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
looked at the pricing,

[Speaker 7] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
testing.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:27 - 2:27:27)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:27 - 2:27:34)
and it reflects to what the RFP and to what the original agreements had been,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:34 - 2:27:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:34 - 2:27:35)
so yeah, it

[Speaker 3] (2:27:35 - 2:27:42)
Well, I think we should be authorizing that, but I think we should also be having, I think we should make decisions on

[Speaker 3] (2:27:43 - 2:27:45)
what it's gonna cost for the extra bins.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:45 - 2:27:45)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:45 - 2:27:45)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (2:27:45 - 2:27:45)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:27:45 - 2:27:46)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:46 - 2:27:46)
the decision

[Speaker 2] (2:27:46 - 2:27:46)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:46 - 2:27:47)
and the decision

[Speaker 2] (2:27:47 - 2:27:48)
is that

[Speaker 1] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
Oh, we're getting there.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
oh there

[Speaker 2] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
there.

[Speaker 4] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:48 - 2:27:49)
Okay, there he is.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:49 - 2:27:50)
all right.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:50 - 2:27:51)
Yeah, we're getting there.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:51 - 2:27:51)
All right,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:51 - 2:27:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:51 - 2:27:52)
Curtis.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:52 - 2:27:54)
So on the contract side,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:54 - 2:27:56)
if there might be a motion that you're all comfortable making

[Speaker 2] (2:27:56 - 2:27:56)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:56 - 2:27:57)
to support that,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:57 - 2:27:57)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:27:57 - 2:27:58)
I would.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:58 - 2:28:03)
I'll make a make a motion to what's what should this motion actually be?

[Speaker 2] (2:28:03 - 2:28:03)
For

[Speaker 1] (2:28:03 - 2:28:03)
Final

[Speaker 2] (2:28:03 - 2:28:03)
the new

[Speaker 1] (2:28:03 - 2:28:03)
review

[Speaker 2] (2:28:03 - 2:28:03)
project.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:03 - 2:28:06)
of the contract by the chair and, you know, I know you said you just did it,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:06 - 2:28:07)
but, you know, also.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:07 - 2:28:09)
the final view on the pricing uh

[Speaker 2] (2:28:09 - 2:28:10)
Review and signature.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:10 - 2:28:12)
By Wayne, by w Wayne

[Speaker 1] (2:28:12 - 2:28:12)
authorize

[Speaker 3] (2:28:12 - 2:28:13)
and k by w Wayne and k authorize

[Speaker 1] (2:28:13 - 2:28:13)
final signature

[Speaker 3] (2:28:13 - 2:28:15)
authorize it s own okay, Mary.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:15 - 2:28:17)
No motion second from Ted.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18)
Yep

[Speaker 3] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:18 - 2:28:19)
All in favor.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:19 - 2:28:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:19 - 2:28:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:19 - 2:28:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:19 - 2:28:19)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:19 - 2:28:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:20 - 2:28:21)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:21 - 2:28:21)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:22 - 2:28:33)
Um so the next question is exactly what you talked about which oh there we go the additional barrel fee discussion is something that I think you know I've had conversations uh with Mary Ellen and Wayne, but

[Speaker 1] (2:28:33 - 2:28:46)
But also Wayne Solid Waste Advisory Committee have worked pretty closely on figuring out, or at least Emily, um where the actual plan and so, you know, I think you wanted to to give a rundown of what that

[Speaker 4] (2:28:46 - 2:28:46)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:46 - 2:28:46)
number looks

[Speaker 3] (2:28:46 - 2:28:46)
So lay

[Speaker 1] (2:28:46 - 2:28:47)
like.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:47 - 2:28:48)
it on me, what is the fee? Let's go.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:50 - 2:28:51)
I'm waiting for weeks to hear

[Speaker 3] (2:28:51 - 2:28:53)
this. want the number or do you want the explanation first?

[Speaker 2] (2:28:53 - 2:28:53)
The number.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:53 - 2:28:53)
Ah,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:54 - 2:28:54)
the number.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:54 - 2:28:55)
Okay. So we're

[Speaker 4] (2:28:55 - 2:28:55)
These

[Speaker 3] (2:28:55 - 2:28:55)
looking

[Speaker 4] (2:28:55 - 2:28:56)
are additional.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:56 - 2:28:56)
at this, I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:28:56 - 2:28:56)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:28:56 - 2:28:56)
just,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:56 - 2:28:57)
Additional.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:57 - 2:28:57)
this looks like the band

[Speaker 3] (2:28:57 - 2:28:57)
right,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:57 - 2:28:58)
-aid guy.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:58 - 2:28:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:58 - 2:29:04)
this is, this is after the 35 gallon that everyone has and the 95 gallon that everyone will receive for

[Speaker 3] (2:29:04 - 2:29:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:04 - 2:29:05)
recycling.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:05 - 2:29:09)
So, so we're looking at this in two different pieces. One is

[Speaker 1] (2:29:13 - 2:29:14)
Hold on a minute.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:14 - 2:29:15)
Should we get um

[Speaker 5] (2:29:15 - 2:29:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:15 - 2:29:16)
It's coming.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:16 - 2:29:17)
you're good.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:17 - 2:29:18)
You're back.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:18 - 2:29:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:20 - 2:29:31)
The the pricing of the three dollar bag is was instituted in 2020 is our trash overall costs have gone up almost 50 percent since then.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:31 - 2:29:36)
We've not had a raise in the bag fee at all.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:36 - 2:29:39)
The problem the proposal is to go from three dollars to 350.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:40 - 2:29:41)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:41 - 2:29:41)
for

[Speaker 1] (2:29:41 - 2:29:41)
are

[Speaker 3] (2:29:41 - 2:29:41)
the bag.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:41 - 2:29:41)
we agreed to okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:41 - 2:29:58)
And then to go that times fifty two is one hundred eighty two fifty or hundred eighty two. Uh in the proper in the proposal is to go to one extra black thirty five gallon trash

[Speaker 1] (2:29:58 - 2:29:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:58 - 2:30:00)
barrel at one hundred eighty dollars a year.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:01 - 2:30:02)
Okay and you

[Speaker 1] (2:30:03 - 2:30:05)
How do we come to 180?

[Speaker 3] (2:30:05 - 2:30:05)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:30:05 - 2:30:06)
So you

[Speaker 3] (2:30:06 - 2:30:06)
that we

[Speaker 1] (2:30:06 - 2:30:07)
just by multiplying that by 52?

[Speaker 3] (2:30:07 - 2:30:12)
looked at this, believe me, we ripped this apart.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:12 - 2:30:17)
You have, there are lots of, there's lots of deliberation behind the scenes.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:18 - 2:30:18)
One,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:18 - 2:30:21)
we wanted to make sure we covered our costs.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:21 - 2:30:23)
for tonnage, just tonnage itself.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:24 - 2:30:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:24 - 2:30:40)
The other part is we wanted to cover a s small amount of the service cost. The burden of the service cost itself is an extra seven hundred most seven oh six hundred and how much is this? Roughly s just over six hundred thousand dollars for to service the entire town.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:40 - 2:30:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:41 - 2:30:47)
Trying to balance that together was and and trying to come up with something that was um equitable.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:48 - 2:30:57)
That didn't put the entire burden on the townspeople who were not using extra trash.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:57 - 2:31:00)
We thought of that being a fair number at 180.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:00 - 2:31:01)
We actually looked at a little bit higher.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:01 - 2:31:02)
We looked at a little bit lower.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:03 - 2:31:10)
At the end of the day, we're paying for the tonnage incomplete. We're not losing any money on it.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:13 - 2:31:18)
It pays for a small fraction of some of the extra,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:18 - 2:31:23)
some of the service costs that are attributed to collection throughout the entire town.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:23 - 2:31:24)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:24 - 2:31:24)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:24 - 2:31:24)
you're

[Speaker 1] (2:31:24 - 2:31:25)
so my first thought is,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:26 - 2:31:34)
what if I'm a person who doesn't use a bag every single week, but I want a second barrel,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:34 - 2:31:35)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:31:35 - 2:31:37)
I'm paying for it anyway.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:37 - 2:31:38)
paying for capacity.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:38 - 2:31:45)
And I'm right, but I don't know, I think uh in my gut is telling me that's a little higher than I thought it would be.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:45 - 2:31:46)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:47 - 2:31:55)
Um I understand for the convenience of it, but I'm just stuck on if I'm not that person that's using a blue bag every week.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:55 - 2:31:56)
Continue

[Speaker 1] (2:31:56 - 2:31:56)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:31:56 - 2:31:56)
to

[Speaker 1] (2:31:56 - 2:31:57)
continue paying for it anyway.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
Then just buy

[Speaker 6] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
to use

[Speaker 3] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
the blue

[Speaker 6] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:31:57 - 2:31:58)
bag.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:58 - 2:31:59)
blue bags. Blue bag's still an option.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:00 - 2:32:02)
The blue bag's still an option, but that's going up too.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:02 - 2:32:03)
To 350, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:32:03 - 2:32:04)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
From

[Speaker 3] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
three.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:06 - 2:32:07)
So I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:07 - 2:32:08)
We out of that

[Speaker 1] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
350

[Speaker 1] (2:32:08 - 2:32:12)
guess I kind of in my head wished it was, I was thinking it was going to be like around 150.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:12 - 2:32:13)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:13 - 2:32:13)
We

[Speaker 7] (2:32:13 - 2:32:14)
So my concern,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:14 - 2:32:14)
we

[Speaker 7] (2:32:14 - 2:32:15)
I'm sorry Ted, hold on.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
Like

[Speaker 7] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
My concern

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:16)
three and

[Speaker 7] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:32:16 - 2:32:16)
a half.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:16 - 2:32:21)
that we're not high enough, and that we're not high enough.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:22 - 2:32:23)
What do you mean we're not?

[Speaker 7] (2:32:23 - 2:32:24)
Are we, if

[Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
For the extra barrel?

[Speaker 7] (2:32:24 - 2:32:37)
it's, yeah, for the extra barrel, if the extra barrel is only covering the tipping fee in a small percentage of the actual cost of admin and getting something there,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:37 - 2:32:37)
does

[Speaker 6] (2:32:37 - 2:32:37)
Over there.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:37 - 2:32:40)
that mean that a family of,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:41 - 2:32:44)
a smaller family is subsidizing a larger family's trash?

[Speaker 7] (2:32:47 - 2:32:49)
That's the concern that I have.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:49 - 2:33:02)
But if you feel that this covers the tipping and it does cover a percentage of the administration and it's something that can be reevaluated and looked at again next year,

[Speaker 7] (2:33:02 - 2:33:10)
I think that's fair. My biggest worry is that having people subsidize other people's...

[Speaker 6] (2:33:11 - 2:33:12)
I trash

[Speaker 7] (2:33:12 - 2:33:24)
Trash, just like, you know, I don't want to be subsidizing somebody filling their pool or using more water, and I wouldn't want somebody subsidizing my usage of water,

[Speaker 7] (2:33:24 - 2:33:24)
sewer.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:24 - 2:33:29)
I don't want to see people subsidizing my trash either.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:29 - 2:33:30)
So I think it's a use

[Speaker 3] (2:33:30 - 2:33:30)
Hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:33:30 - 2:33:31)
issue.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:32 - 2:33:36)
But I'm not sure how anybody would be subsidizing if I'm paying for the extra barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:37 - 2:33:38)
It's just how much I'm going to pay for

[Speaker 3] (2:33:38 - 2:33:38)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:38 - 2:33:39)
the extra bag,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:39 - 2:33:39)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:33:39 - 2:33:39)
I think.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:39 - 2:33:39)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:39 - 2:33:39)
so does

[Speaker 3] (2:33:39 - 2:33:39)
but that's

[Speaker 6] (2:33:39 - 2:33:39)
that

[Speaker 3] (2:33:39 - 2:33:40)
what we're talking about.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:40 - 2:33:40)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:33:40 - 2:33:41)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:41 - 2:33:42)
does that fee,

[Speaker 6] (2:33:42 - 2:33:43)
182 dollars

[Speaker 2] (2:33:43 - 2:33:44)
180.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:44 - 2:33:48)
180 adequately adequately cover

[Speaker 1] (2:33:49 - 2:33:49)
The tonnage.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:49 - 2:33:53)
the tonnage and the marginal excess tipping

[Speaker 8] (2:33:54 - 2:33:55)
that would result from that.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:55 - 2:33:56)
So the...

[Speaker 1] (2:33:57 - 2:33:58)
So the trash gets picked up regardless,

[Speaker 1] (2:33:59 - 2:33:59)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:33:59 - 2:33:59)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:59 - 2:34:04)
So there's really not an extra service charge because it's, you're getting picked up once a week at your driveway,

[Speaker 6] (2:34:04 - 2:34:05)
Is there

[Speaker 1] (2:34:05 - 2:34:05)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:34:05 - 2:34:09)
any marginal change in cost for the curbside?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:10 - 2:34:11)
From last year?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:11 - 2:34:12)
Or from previous

[Speaker 1] (2:34:12 - 2:34:12)
No,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:12 - 2:34:12)
years?

[Speaker 6] (2:34:12 - 2:34:12)
we're having

[Speaker 1] (2:34:12 - 2:34:13)
this is

[Speaker 6] (2:34:13 - 2:34:13)
a

[Speaker 1] (2:34:13 - 2:34:13)
for

[Speaker 6] (2:34:13 - 2:34:13)
second barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:34:13 - 2:34:14)
We're having a second

[Speaker 1] (2:34:14 - 2:34:14)
a second

[Speaker 6] (2:34:14 - 2:34:14)
barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:14 - 2:34:14)
barrel.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:14 - 2:34:23)
So there is in the sense that it's more tonnage that the truck has to take back and make additional...

[Speaker 6] (2:34:23 - 2:34:23)
So they could have to make

[Speaker 1] (2:34:23 - 2:34:23)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (2:34:23 - 2:34:24)
more rounds

[Speaker 1] (2:34:24 - 2:34:24)
so it's on tonnage,

[Speaker 6] (2:34:24 - 2:34:24)
as a result.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:24 - 2:34:26)
but it's not on service.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:26 - 2:34:31)
The service cost is based upon how much tonnage that we have as a town.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:31 - 2:34:35)
Okay, so how much is it per ton?

[Speaker 2] (2:34:35 - 2:34:40)
The tonnage is 126.45 in year one. It goes up by five percent every year.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:40 - 2:34:42)
$126 per

[Speaker 2] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:42 - 2:34:43)
ton.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:43 - 2:34:45)
So it's $126 per ton.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:46 - 2:34:49)
So if I'm paying for a ton extra of trash,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:50 - 2:34:50)
one ton,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:51 - 2:34:54)
wouldn't I just pay $126 for an extra barrel?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:54 - 2:34:55)
Plus the barrel costs.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:56 - 2:34:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:56 - 2:34:57)
How much does the barrel cost?

[Speaker 1] (2:34:58 - 2:34:59)
How much

[Speaker 3] (2:34:59 - 2:34:59)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:34:59 - 2:34:59)
does your

[Speaker 3] (2:34:59 - 2:35:01)
were two looking at about twelve bucks a year.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:01 - 2:35:03)
12 bucks. Okay, so that's 138.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:03 - 2:35:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:04 - 2:35:05)
They still are not even at 140.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:06 - 2:35:08)
Why am I going to charge people 180?

[Speaker 3] (2:35:08 - 2:35:09)
Because because if

[Speaker 1] (2:35:09 - 2:35:09)
Where

[Speaker 3] (2:35:09 - 2:35:09)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:35:09 - 2:35:10)
am I getting that extra?

[Speaker 3] (2:35:10 - 2:35:17)
You're sharing some of the service costs and that's how that original three dollars a bag was originally created.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:17 - 2:35:21)
So the three dollar fee

[Speaker 3] (2:35:22 - 2:35:36)
wasn't for just tipping, it was prorating on some estimate basis, and also taking from other towns as to what they were charging to make up some of the extra cost of just the transportation and service costs alone,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:37 - 2:35:39)
not including just the tipping fee.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:39 - 2:35:43)
So not everybody's paying that though, just the people that are getting an extra barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
Because

[Speaker 1] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
You

[Speaker 6] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
they're

[Speaker 1] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
know what the I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:35:45 - 2:35:46)
ones saying? driving the I'm excess not revenue.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:46 - 2:35:50)
subsidizing the extra service cost if I want a second barrel,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:50 - 2:35:54)
but not everybody else is if you're not getting a second barrel, right? So it's on

[Speaker 7] (2:35:54 - 2:35:55)
You're

[Speaker 1] (2:35:55 - 2:35:55)
the person.

[Speaker 7] (2:35:55 - 2:35:58)
saying because if you don't use your second barrel all the time.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:58 - 2:35:59)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:59 - 2:36:00)
If you don't use it fully,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:00 - 2:36:00)
So we,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:00 - 2:36:01)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:36:01 - 2:36:02)
Or if you use it for a bag.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:02 - 2:36:05)
made an, this is truly just an estimation.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:05 - 2:36:07)
We sold last year somewhere.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:08 - 2:36:13)
it goes up and down somewhere between 40 and 45 thousand bags

[Speaker 1] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:13 - 2:36:15)
if each bag is just made at bags

[Speaker 6] (2:36:15 - 2:36:16)
45,000 bags.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:16 - 2:36:17)
blue

[Speaker 6] (2:36:17 - 2:36:17)
bags Holy cow.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:17 - 2:36:32)
okay it's actually there's 5100 accounts so that's nine eight to nine bags per person per year per household per year some are using none I mean there's based upon past

[Speaker 3] (2:36:33 - 2:36:39)
um this this survey that we took it was something like 10% use it on a regular basis. So

[Speaker 6] (2:36:39 - 2:36:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:39 - 2:36:43)
you if the distribution curve it's really kind of at the far end that's using the

[Speaker 6] (2:36:43 - 2:36:44)
A majority, lot of it.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:44 - 2:36:45)
right.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:45 - 2:36:53)
So if there's somewhere between 15 and 20 percent of the weight in relative to the bags relative to the total tonnage that we're doing,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:53 - 2:37:00)
right there's there's it's not an insignificant cost relative to the total contract. So

[Speaker 3] (2:37:01 - 2:37:08)
I can get into the weeds in this, but the the answer to your question, Dana, which is a reasonable question, you should be asking, right? It's a philosophical piece

[Speaker 7] (2:37:08 - 2:37:08)
Philosophical

[Speaker 3] (2:37:08 - 2:37:09)
of should

[Speaker 7] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
question.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:09 - 2:37:24)
you should you should the extra trash user be paying for part of the service burden a s a smaller portion of it, part of the service burden, or none of the service burden and then that just rests upon the rest of the taxpayers.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:25 - 2:37:25)
What why would

[Speaker 1] (2:37:25 - 2:37:37)
Right and even if they are to pay a portion of it would they be paying 40 more right because if you get to 138 for 126 plus the cost of the barrel so

[Speaker 3] (2:37:37 - 2:37:37)
So we're

[Speaker 1] (2:37:37 - 2:37:37)
that's

[Speaker 3] (2:37:37 - 2:37:38)
including the cost

[Speaker 1] (2:37:38 - 2:37:38)
138

[Speaker 3] (2:37:38 - 2:37:41)
of the cost of the barrel so it's really 160 168 180

[Speaker 1] (2:37:41 - 2:37:44)
168 did you include

[Speaker 3] (2:37:44 - 2:37:44)
minus 12

[Speaker 1] (2:37:44 - 2:37:45)
those right

[Speaker 2] (2:37:45 - 2:37:48)
I think she's starting with the tonnage which is the 126.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:48 - 2:37:50)
plus the barrel is 12

[Speaker 1] (2:37:51 - 2:37:54)
It's $138. Well how do you know you're throwing out a ton?

[Speaker 1] (2:37:55 - 2:38:00)
You you're gonna say that that little barrel can accommodate more than a

[Speaker 7] (2:38:00 - 2:38:01)
ton? Oh, I don't kno I don't know, I haven't run the

[Speaker 1] (2:38:01 - 2:38:02)
An ex

[Speaker 7] (2:38:02 - 2:38:02)
I haven't

[Speaker 1] (2:38:02 - 2:38:02)
extra barrel?

[Speaker 7] (2:38:02 - 2:38:02)
run the numbers.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:02 - 2:38:04)
The black the black barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:04 - 2:38:06)
An extra barrel. How much could it

[Speaker 3] (2:38:06 - 2:38:06)
Yeah, I I

[Speaker 7] (2:38:06 - 2:38:07)
You can't possibly.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:07 - 2:38:08)
I use around forty pounds

[Speaker 1] (2:38:08 - 2:38:09)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:09 - 2:38:09)
or a full barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:09 - 2:38:15)
So even if you filled it every week, right, forty pounds, fifty two weeks, two thousand

[Speaker 6] (2:38:15 - 2:38:15)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:38:15 - 2:38:15)
pounds.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:15 - 2:38:15)
a little over.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:15 - 2:38:17)
Just over just over a ton,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:17 - 2:38:17)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:17 - 2:38:17)
twenty

[Speaker 1] (2:38:17 - 2:38:17)
okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:17 - 2:38:17)
eighty.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:17 - 2:38:18)
so there's a ton.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:19 - 2:38:20)
Right, if you're filling it,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:20 - 2:38:20)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:38:20 - 2:38:20)
right,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:20 - 2:38:20)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:20 - 2:38:22)
so that's where I'm getting that 126.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:22 - 2:38:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:23 - 2:38:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
Plus 12,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
One

[Speaker 1] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
it gets

[Speaker 3] (2:38:24 - 2:38:25)
round up

[Speaker 1] (2:38:25 - 2:38:25)
you to 138.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:25 - 2:38:27)
130 yeah you

[Speaker 1] (2:38:27 - 2:38:28)
But I'm still not at 180,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:28 - 2:38:28)
right,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:28 - 2:38:30)
that's another 40% more.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:30 - 2:38:36)
Yeah, so the the cost of our service is actually more than the cost of the tonnage

[Speaker 3] (2:38:37 - 2:38:41)
What I'm trying to say to you the cut the cost of

[Speaker 1] (2:38:41 - 2:38:43)
Is it 40% more?

[Speaker 1] (2:38:46 - 2:38:48)
not saying 40% more, you're saying 40% in addition to.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:48 - 2:38:53)
No, I'm saying 138, 180 minus 138, right,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:53 - 2:38:53)
is $42.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:55 - 2:38:56)
That's about 40%.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:56 - 2:38:57)
Yes. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:57 - 2:38:58)
It's 40,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:58 - 2:38:59)
it's, it becomes one

[Speaker 2] (2:38:59 - 2:38:59)
This is the

[Speaker 1] (2:38:59 - 2:39:00)
third.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:00 - 2:39:02)
same like these numbers are kind of like this is where it gets philosophical,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:03 - 2:39:03)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:03 - 2:39:09)
It's around 20, 20%, 20, 25% of the entire cost,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:09 - 2:39:09)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:09 - 2:39:12)
So we're not asking to double that amount.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:13 - 2:39:20)
In other words, if you looked at the, you want to take a, like a huge 40,000 foot view?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:21 - 2:39:22)
It's a two million dollar contract,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:23 - 2:39:23)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:23 - 2:39:43)
fifty one hundred residents. It's about four hundred dollars a household to to operate trash and recycling as a whole. So at a hundred and eighty dollars you're significantly less 'cause recycling costs less in proportion to trash. You're actually significantly less than the total what you would think of as the burden.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:44 - 2:39:45)
for just that one trash barrel

[Speaker 2] (2:39:45 - 2:39:52)
But I'm still just one household that I've already paid $400 for and it's another 180 so how is it significantly less?

[Speaker 2] (2:39:52 - 2:39:54)
Do you know what I'm saying from that high level?

[Speaker 2] (2:39:55 - 2:39:55)
like

[Speaker 2] (2:39:56 - 2:39:59)
So I'm still just that same one household.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:59 - 2:40:04)
If everybody had the same household, it would be one thing. When you're talking about a very small percentage,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:04 - 2:40:11)
it becomes more concentrated in terms of the extra burden for that amount of trash.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:12 - 2:40:13)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:13 - 2:40:18)
So have we looked at what other towns charge for an extra barrel? Because I kind

[Speaker 1] (2:40:18 - 2:40:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:18 - 2:40:18)
of have,

[Speaker 2] (2:40:18 - 2:40:19)
and I don't,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:19 - 2:40:21)
I have not seen anybody at 180.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:21 - 2:40:26)
Uh, cost of fields at one eighty plus sixty five c plus sixty five dollars for

[Speaker 3] (2:40:26 - 2:40:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:26 - 2:40:32)
the the extra barrel. Um we've looked at other communities. They're one fifty plus the cost of the extra barrel.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:33 - 2:40:35)
What is Marblehead gonna do? 'Cause they're going through this

[Speaker 2] (2:40:35 - 2:40:35)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:35 - 2:40:37)
right around now, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:40:37 - 2:40:38)
I d I don't remember.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:38 - 2:40:38)
Where Lynn is

[Speaker 2] (2:40:38 - 2:40:39)
Lynn and Salem

[Speaker 4] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
similar,

[Speaker 2] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
and

[Speaker 4] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40)
Nahant.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:40 - 2:40:40)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:40:40 - 2:40:41)
But so but but here's

[Speaker 4] (2:40:41 - 2:40:41)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:41 - 2:40:44)
the deal. If you if you buy one extra bag a week,

[Speaker 2] (2:40:44 - 2:40:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:44 - 2:40:47)
right, that's gonna cost you a hundred and eighty two dollars.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:47 - 2:40:48)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48)
Right, so

[Speaker 2] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:50 - 2:40:57)
So the question is, if people aren't going to be needing a bin,

[Speaker 3] (2:40:57 - 2:40:58)
why would you get a bin?

[Speaker 2] (2:40:59 - 2:41:02)
Because if I have a bin, if I have a bag every other week,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:03 - 2:41:03)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:03 - 2:41:05)
it's kind of, I don't know if you've done

[Speaker 4] (2:41:05 - 2:41:05)
It's

[Speaker 2] (2:41:05 - 2:41:06)
it, but

[Speaker 4] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06)
a hassle

[Speaker 2] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06)
it's a pain

[Speaker 3] (2:41:06 - 2:41:06)
You're asking for

[Speaker 2] (2:41:06 - 2:41:11)
in the neck to go and buy a whole bunch of bins, uh bags when I really just need one every other

[Speaker 4] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11)
It's

[Speaker 2] (2:41:11 - 2:41:11)
week.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:11 - 2:41:12)
a hassle fee.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:12 - 2:41:14)
It's really a convenience fee more than anything,

[Speaker 2] (2:41:14 - 2:41:15)
to be honest.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:15 - 2:41:17)
Right, see, so, but you're talking about

[Speaker 3] (2:41:18 - 2:41:21)
appeasing you for convenience,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:21 - 2:41:23)
and I think we're talking about

[Speaker 1] (2:41:25 - 2:41:26)
Capacity.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:26 - 2:41:36)
capacity and making sure that, you know, we have something that for the people that do have an extra bag or two every single week.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:38 - 2:41:42)
I mean, I'm not it's not appeasing me if I'm actually paying for it. I'm just

[Speaker 3] (2:41:42 - 2:41:42)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:42 - 2:41:50)
trying to understand how much I'm paying for or how much I'm asking people to pay for it, right? When I don't it's not an exact science because it's a lot

[Speaker 3] (2:41:50 - 2:41:50)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:50 - 2:41:57)
of it's philosophical. So why wouldn't we start at the lower end and if it doesn't work the next year, why wouldn't we then increase it?

[Speaker 3] (2:41:57 - 2:41:59)
Because then aren't we asking people to subsidize?

[Speaker 2] (2:42:00 - 2:42:01)
But what does that mean?

[Speaker 4] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
Can I

[Speaker 2] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
What

[Speaker 4] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
just

[Speaker 2] (2:42:01 - 2:42:02)
does that really

[Speaker 4] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
– can

[Speaker 2] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
mean?

[Speaker 4] (2:42:02 - 2:42:08)
I ask you just to walk me through the framework? Just not the numbers, the framework. We started with the cost per tonnage, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:42:08 - 2:42:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:09 - 2:42:11)
Then there's the cost for the barrel,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:11 - 2:42:17)
and then there is a marginal increase in service costs as a result of excess capacity,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:17 - 2:42:17)
right,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:17 - 2:42:18)
running on this.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:18 - 2:42:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:19 - 2:42:26)
It's harder to define but it's in it's probably marginal right it's not okay and that got us to 180 whatever

[Speaker 1] (2:42:26 - 2:42:26)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:26 - 2:42:26)
that okay

[Speaker 1] (2:42:26 - 2:42:31)
68 plus the 12 bucks a year for the cost of the barrel itself.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:34 - 2:42:35)
I'm trying to put myself in your shoes.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:35 - 2:42:36)
Over five years.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:37 - 2:42:39)
Walk me through why that doesn't make sense.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:39 - 2:42:40)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:40 - 2:42:40)
Sorry,

[Speaker 2] (2:42:40 - 2:42:40)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:42:40 - 2:42:41)
this is how my brain works, and I'm trying to...

[Speaker 2] (2:42:42 - 2:42:49)
mean, I just went by what Nick just said is 126 for a ton per year, plus $12 for a barrel that gets me to 138.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:49 - 2:42:50)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
and I don't...

[Speaker 2] (2:42:50 - 2:42:52)
can't understand the jump from 138 to 180.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:53 - 2:42:54)
If that's your 42 bucks.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:54 - 2:42:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:54 - 2:42:55)
That's what my mind

[Speaker 4] (2:42:55 - 2:42:56)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:42:56 - 2:42:56)
can't...

[Speaker 4] (2:42:56 - 2:42:59)
that's what we're hypothetically saying is that marginal increase

[Speaker 2] (2:42:59 - 2:42:59)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:42:59 - 2:42:59)
of $42.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:59 - 2:43:00)
I'm saying, why don't you split the...

[Speaker 6] (2:43:00 - 2:43:00)
You

[Speaker 2] (2:43:00 - 2:43:00)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:00 - 2:43:00)
can't

[Speaker 2] (2:43:00 - 2:43:00)
it's a difference

[Speaker 6] (2:43:00 - 2:43:01)
buy all

[Speaker 2] (2:43:01 - 2:43:03)
and start at 150 and if it doesn't work next year,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:03 - 2:43:03)
are we?

[Speaker 2] (2:43:03 - 2:43:12)
you raise it to 175 or whatever the heck it is. Do you know what I'm saying? When we don't really know what any of it's gonna we're all we're making assumptions 'cause we have no choice.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:12 - 2:43:16)
But what if we're do you know what I'm saying? We're never gonna go down. We're never gonna say.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:16 - 2:43:21)
Well where did you come up with the assumption though of the additional of the additional amount?

[Speaker 1] (2:43:21 - 2:43:26)
Well, originally the calculation was was if you wanted to um

[Speaker 1] (2:43:30 - 2:43:36)
We almost had a $200 number at one point. Again, this is based upon a lot of different assumptions.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:37 - 2:43:41)
Those assumptions were heavier usage within the barrel itself,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:41 - 2:43:43)
looking at more like a 50 pound number.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:43 - 2:43:45)
Like a bag a week.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:45 - 2:43:45)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:45 - 2:43:46)
They're going into the barrel,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:46 - 2:43:47)
we were looking

[Speaker 3] (2:43:47 - 2:43:47)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:43:47 - 2:43:54)
at, well, we figured you could, you can, you can compress more into a rigid barrel than you can with a bag.

[Speaker 4] (2:43:54 - 2:43:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:54 - 2:43:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:55 - 2:43:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:55 - 2:43:55)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:55 - 2:43:55)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:55 - 2:44:01)
So, so kind of looked at, okay, what, it's got a 30 pound limit to it on the bag itself.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:01 - 2:44:02)
It's 30 gallons.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:03 - 2:44:05)
Let's say the bag's 80% full.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:05 - 2:44:10)
We had a density number that we got from a couple of different sources and work backwards and said, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:10 - 2:44:11)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:11 - 2:44:22)
the um, where was I going with this? The b the the bag let me back up. The bag was around twenty seven, twenty eight pounds.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:22 - 2:44:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:22 - 2:44:24)
Okay? If we assume

[Speaker 1] (2:44:25 - 2:44:26)
the amount of bag,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:27 - 2:44:30)
but you're gonna get a bigger bin

[Speaker 1] (2:44:32 - 2:44:34)
Right? It's actually a bit of a deal.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:34 - 2:44:39)
You're getting a bigger bin, you get a 35 gallon bin and it's going to actually be more compressed than you can compress inside.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:39 - 2:44:44)
So we figured you could get around forty pounds in a barrel, a bin, maybe even more.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:45 - 2:44:48)
Versus under thirty in a bag.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:49 - 2:44:53)
So if you go to the bin

[Speaker 1] (2:44:55 - 2:45:01)
You're actually getting more for the dollar than you would for the bag. And from a revenue perspective for the town,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:01 - 2:45:13)
we're still paying 40 cents a bag for the fee that we have to go through with the company makes the bag and settles the distribution of funds.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:14 - 2:45:15)
But what you're suggesting though is from a

[Speaker 4] (2:45:16 - 2:45:22)
If I go and bought a bag every week for a year, I'm paying slightly more than if I go buy a barrel and I'm also getting less trash.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:22 - 2:45:22)
Excessively.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:22 - 2:45:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:23 - 2:45:24)
Yes, got it.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:25 - 2:45:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:25 - 2:45:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:26 - 2:45:34)
See I I think you have an extra bin. I I don't think I think the assumption needs to be if you have an extra bin that extra bins gonna be filled

[Speaker 4] (2:45:37 - 2:45:39)
Yeah, you budget for the worst case scenario, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:45:39 - 2:45:41)
We don't want to come back to any year and say well the didn't the

[Speaker 3] (2:45:41 - 2:45:42)
Whoops!

[Speaker 3] (2:45:42 - 2:45:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:43 - 2:45:43)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:43 - 2:45:47)
We're we're low and we have 50 grand. Oh, I don't know whatever the number is,

[Speaker 4] (2:45:47 - 2:45:47)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:45:48 - 2:45:54)
I would rather charge people less and then potentially have to raise it because knowingly if I charge them high,

[Speaker 2] (2:45:54 - 2:45:56)
I know I'm not going to decrease it.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:56 - 2:45:58)
In reality, that'll never happen, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:45:58 - 2:45:59)
As a test,

[Speaker 2] (2:45:59 - 2:46:01)
I would rather charge people.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:02 - 2:46:26)
that have been asking for this since we rolled out the first program right right a reasonable not and i'm not saying 50 bucks i'm saying 150 right or something that's a little bit less to see if it works to test out all of these hypotheses that we've all created here and if it doesn't then you're going up to one knowingly that we're going to potentially be rolling out recycling every two weeks right

[Speaker 4] (2:46:26 - 2:46:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:26 - 2:46:28)
that's coming down the pike too like

[Speaker 2] (2:46:29 - 2:46:46)
Yeah, I would give people a break at the beginning and say if you want a second barrel, we're gonna try it at this price, we're gonna try it at this rate. If it becomes a problem for us, we're gonna raise it the next year or we're gonna institute something else that we will not, you know, will cover our costs or what not. But I would never imagine starting high and then saying,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:47 - 2:46:47)
oh, well,

[Speaker 4] (2:46:47 - 2:46:47)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:47 - 2:46:48)
that's just extra for us

[Speaker 8] (2:46:48 - 2:46:49)
It never

[Speaker 2] (2:46:49 - 2:46:49)
and

[Speaker 8] (2:46:49 - 2:46:50)
works out that way, right.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:50 - 2:46:50)
No, and

[Speaker 4] (2:46:50 - 2:46:50)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:46:50 - 2:46:53)
then we're gonna reeve revisit and go down? No we're never gonna do that.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:53 - 2:46:54)
From a financial perspective, if

[Speaker 4] (2:46:54 - 2:47:05)
if we were to go for 150 dollars because that's a more narrow marginal increase in the service cost right a year from now we're having this conversation what's the worst case scenario of that

[Speaker 9] (2:47:05 - 2:47:08)
It's kind of hidden. It's hard to see.

[Speaker 9] (2:47:08 - 2:47:11)
We would have to govern that based upon investigating

[Speaker 9] (2:47:13 - 2:47:17)
how much those extra barrels were being used to...

[Speaker 9] (2:47:18 - 2:47:19)
It

[Speaker 8] (2:47:19 - 2:47:19)
It's hard to do with

[Speaker 9] (2:47:19 - 2:47:19)
It's

[Speaker 8] (2:47:19 - 2:47:20)
uh

[Speaker 2] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
We

[Speaker 8] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
get a report

[Speaker 8] (2:47:20 - 2:47:20)
it's hard contrast

[Speaker 2] (2:47:20 - 2:47:21)
on how

[Speaker 8] (2:47:21 - 2:47:21)
like

[Speaker 2] (2:47:21 - 2:47:21)
much

[Speaker 8] (2:47:21 - 2:47:21)
that.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:21 - 2:47:22)
we're It's actually

[Speaker 9] (2:47:22 - 2:47:22)
not an easy number

[Speaker 3] (2:47:22 - 2:47:23)
You're

[Speaker 9] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
to

[Speaker 3] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
not

[Speaker 2] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
sending

[Speaker 3] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
going to have

[Speaker 9] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
come up

[Speaker 2] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
out.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
a public

[Speaker 9] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
with.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
report.

[Speaker 9] (2:47:23 - 2:47:24)
It's just something to

[Speaker 3] (2:47:24 - 2:47:24)
You wouldn't

[Speaker 9] (2:47:24 - 2:47:25)
try to be

[Speaker 3] (2:47:25 - 2:47:25)
know

[Speaker 9] (2:47:25 - 2:47:26)
involved to fair to the

[Speaker 3] (2:47:26 - 2:47:28)
many extra uh how much extras coming in.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:28 - 2:47:29)
We don't

[Speaker 8] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
To

[Speaker 2] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
know that

[Speaker 8] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
both

[Speaker 2] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
the town

[Speaker 8] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
sides

[Speaker 9] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
There's

[Speaker 2] (2:47:29 - 2:47:29)
doesn't

[Speaker 8] (2:47:29 - 2:47:30)
of the resident. contract.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:30 - 2:47:30)
you know

[Speaker 9] (2:47:30 - 2:47:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:30 - 2:47:30)
that tons,

[Speaker 9] (2:47:30 - 2:47:31)
And also

[Speaker 2] (2:47:31 - 2:47:31)
we're to not going

[Speaker 9] (2:47:31 - 2:47:31)
make sure

[Speaker 3] (2:47:31 - 2:47:31)
to know

[Speaker 9] (2:47:31 - 2:47:32)
we have revenue to make sure it's...

[Speaker 3] (2:47:32 - 2:47:35)
from extra barrel versus extra bag.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:35 - 2:47:37)
It's conceivable that the tonnage won't change.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:38 - 2:47:45)
If we're selling this many bags and people are really going to go from an average of two-thirds of a ton to over a ton.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:46 - 2:47:49)
And we're collecting the full freight for a ton tipped.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:49 - 2:47:52)
It is conceivable in the – but the actual tonnage may not change.

[Speaker 10] (2:47:52 - 2:47:55)
If we're selling 15,000, 40,000 bags,

[Speaker 10] (2:47:55 - 2:47:56)
15 being used,

[Speaker 10] (2:47:56 - 2:47:59)
whatever the final numbers are that we're able to get from way zero,

[Speaker 10] (2:48:00 - 2:48:03)
that's already built into what Republic collected last year.

[Speaker 9] (2:48:03 - 2:48:04)
Correct.

[Speaker 9] (2:48:04 - 2:48:04)
And

[Speaker 10] (2:48:04 - 2:48:05)
And so

[Speaker 9] (2:48:05 - 2:48:06)
so the basic – you're right.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:06 - 2:48:06)
that's

[Speaker 9] (2:48:06 - 2:48:06)
You're looking at basically

[Speaker 10] (2:48:06 - 2:48:07)
built into their

[Speaker 9] (2:48:07 - 2:48:07)
not –

[Speaker 10] (2:48:07 - 2:48:11)
service, like knowing how many times they need to go back to dump to complete the town and that type of thing.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:12 - 2:48:15)
So the worst case would be it is a significant increase,

[Speaker 10] (2:48:15 - 2:48:16)
Ted,

[Speaker 10] (2:48:16 - 2:48:18)
because all of a sudden people are like, oh my God,

[Speaker 10] (2:48:18 - 2:48:19)
I can get two barrels.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:19 - 2:48:20)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:20 - 2:48:26)
I went through the hard part when the town put us in this one barrel and now I can get a second and they just stop trying.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:26 - 2:48:30)
That is the worst case scenario and that's bad from a policy standpoint and a financial standpoint.

[Speaker 10] (2:48:31 - 2:48:39)
But like right now there's 5,100 service addresses and between 3,000 and 3,500.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:40 - 2:48:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:41 - 2:48:45)
on how much we back out with the schools in the town when we separate that which we're doing now

[Speaker 1] (2:48:46 - 2:48:55)
so everyone is you know more than a third on an average more than a third below a ton per service address as we stand

[Speaker 1] (2:48:57 - 2:49:01)
And that's with overflow bags with the one 35-gallon

[Speaker 3] (2:49:01 - 2:49:04)
For the folks that are using the extra bins,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:04 - 2:49:10)
there's a significant difference in what I'll call consumption of the service than there is.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:10 - 2:49:12)
So if the average user is,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:12 - 2:49:16)
you know, we just did the math and divided it out by 5,100.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:16 - 2:49:19)
It's somewhere around 26 pounds a week.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:19 - 2:49:20)
Trash?

[Speaker 3] (2:49:20 - 2:49:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:21 - 2:49:21)
Really?

[Speaker 3] (2:49:21 - 2:49:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:21 - 2:49:21)
Wow.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:22 - 2:49:27)
Yeah, it's not that much and that includes if that distribution curve of usage

[Speaker 3] (2:49:28 - 2:49:30)
Really inflates on the higher end,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:30 - 2:49:33)
but it's small in terms of the amount of people

[Speaker 3] (2:49:34 - 2:49:38)
those individuals, that group of people who have a legitimate need,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:38 - 2:49:38)
I'm not judging,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:38 - 2:49:39)
if they have a need that's fine,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:40 - 2:49:41)
it's just a question of you should pay for it.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:41 - 2:49:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:42 - 2:49:42)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:42 - 2:49:52)
Right? So if that concentration in that group of people requires the extra service, we're offering that ability to have that service. The assumption is...

[Speaker 3] (2:49:54 - 2:49:59)
Not only are they topping off the first one where everyone else is not topping it off, they're using the full more.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:59 - 2:50:00)
extent, right.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:00 - 2:50:12)
Right, so I'm making the assumption that they're using the entire capacity of that barrel moving forward. So whereas the rest of the rest of the taxpayer base is not,

[Speaker 3] (2:50:12 - 2:50:16)
or at least the not the taxpayer base, but the user base.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:16 - 2:50:21)
But the rest of the taxpayer base is still not paying for the extra barrel. It's the person that's

[Speaker 5] (2:50:21 - 2:50:23)
still committing to buy the extra barrel,

[Speaker 5] (2:50:24 - 2:50:25)
right?

[Speaker 5] (2:50:26 - 2:50:31)
The rest of the taxpayer base are paying whatever you're all paying per this negotiated contract.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:31 - 2:50:34)
The person that wants the second barrel is still paying for it.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:34 - 2:50:36)
It's just how much are they paying for it, right?

[Speaker 5] (2:50:36 - 2:50:37)
That's the question.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:37 - 2:50:39)
Right. It's so philosophically.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:39 - 2:50:41)
PC, it's not about the money, it's about the amount.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:41 - 2:50:43)
Right, right, right.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:43 - 2:50:44)
They're paying, yes,

[Speaker 5] (2:50:44 - 2:50:44)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:50:44 - 2:50:45)
they're paying for his question

[Speaker 5] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
it's

[Speaker 3] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
how

[Speaker 5] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
the amount.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
much.

[Speaker 5] (2:50:45 - 2:50:46)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:50:46 - 2:50:51)
And it's whether or not, I think hitting a fair number of what the amount is,

[Speaker 6] (2:50:51 - 2:51:00)
but I think that fair number has to include the service of picking it up versus considering,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:00 - 2:51:00)
well,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:00 - 2:51:03)
the service is already a sunk cost, so just take my tonnage.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:04 - 2:51:09)
You know, originally I was a big proponent of just...

[Speaker 6] (2:51:11 - 2:51:16)
paying the tonnage. But after looking at everything,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:16 - 2:51:16)
just saying,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:16 - 2:51:21)
well, it was actually Wayne who convinced me years ago,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:21 - 2:51:23)
if you are throwing out more,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:23 - 2:51:31)
you should be responsible for also paying for the service of what it costs to do that because you are a bigger consumer.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:33 - 2:51:36)
So I think the only question is, what is the real fair number?

[Speaker 5] (2:51:36 - 2:51:37)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:37 - 2:51:39)
And when I looked at it, honestly first I just thought,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:40 - 2:51:42)
well, if it's equal to an extra bag,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:42 - 2:51:46)
just take the bag, even though you could put a bag and a half.

[Speaker 5] (2:51:46 - 2:51:47)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:47 - 2:51:50)
You know, I looked at it like you could put a bag and a half into these containers,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:50 - 2:51:52)
so it should be closer to 200.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:53 - 2:51:56)
So if you looked at the bad cost.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:57 - 2:52:01)
And you calculated and you put the full service cost in,

[Speaker 5] (2:52:01 - 2:52:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:01 - 2:52:02)
okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:52:02 - 2:52:03)
with some assumptions and you said,

[Speaker 3] (2:52:03 - 2:52:06)
you know, we did 40,000, just take a quick cut,

[Speaker 3] (2:52:06 - 2:52:07)
40,000 bags.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:07 - 2:52:07)
Mm Each-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:07 - 2:52:09)
bag was filled up to X amount,

[Speaker 5] (2:52:09 - 2:52:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:09 - 2:52:10)
okay?

[Speaker 3] (2:52:10 - 2:52:11)
It was broad assumptions.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:11 - 2:52:19)
It was like 16% of the entire load of the entire trash,

[Speaker 3] (2:52:19 - 2:52:20)
tonnage of the town.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:21 - 2:52:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:21 - 2:52:21)
It's like, wow,

[Speaker 3] (2:52:22 - 2:52:22)
that's a lot,

[Speaker 3] (2:52:22 - 2:52:22)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:52:23 - 2:52:30)
Take that and multiply that or take that as a proportion of the total cost of the service cost.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:30 - 2:52:35)
It was like an extra $92,000, something like that, spread over the $45,000.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:35 - 2:52:44)
So it ends up being like an extra $2.40 in addition to the what we're at roughly $2.25.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:45 - 2:52:47)
Right now we were less six years ago.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:47 - 2:52:52)
Right now around $2.25 for the cost of just the tonnage plus the bag.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:52 - 2:52:57)
So if you included the entire service costs, we'd be well past $4.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:58 - 2:53:01)
We'd be closer to $4.50, $4.75.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:01 - 2:53:02)
Per bag

[Speaker 3] (2:53:02 - 2:53:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:03 - 2:53:04)
if you included the service costs.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:05 - 2:53:07)
I'm not suggesting we include the – I'm just giving you

[Speaker 5] (2:53:07 - 2:53:07)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:53:07 - 2:53:08)
that as a relative

[Speaker 5] (2:53:08 - 2:53:11)
we didn't include service cost on the bag, but we're going to include service cost on the second

[Speaker 3] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
We

[Speaker 5] (2:53:11 - 2:53:12)
barrel.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:12 - 2:53:13)
are including service costs in the bag.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:13 - 2:53:14)
Oh, I thought you just

[Speaker 3] (2:53:14 - 2:53:14)
We always

[Speaker 5] (2:53:14 - 2:53:14)
said that.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:14 - 2:53:17)
have included service costs in the bag. What I'm suggesting

[Speaker 6] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
is

[Speaker 6] (2:53:17 - 2:53:17)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:17 - 2:53:19)
So how did we calculate that cost,

[Speaker 5] (2:53:19 - 2:53:20)
that service cost?

[Speaker 6] (2:53:20 - 2:53:21)
That original cost?

[Speaker 5] (2:53:21 - 2:53:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:22 - 2:53:22)
Mm

[Speaker 5] (2:53:22 - 2:53:22)
It

[Speaker 6] (2:53:22 - 2:53:23)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:23 - 2:53:23)
came to that original.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:23 - 2:53:27)
I don't know what their mechanics were.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:27 - 2:53:27)
There wasn't.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:27 - 2:53:29)
I know that they just

[Speaker 6] (2:53:29 - 2:53:30)
It was they won it.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:30 - 2:53:36)
And there was in the I think they looked at the relative cost of what other towns

[Speaker 1] (2:53:36 - 2:53:36)
Did you

[Speaker 3] (2:53:36 - 2:53:37)
were doing.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:37 - 2:53:37)
guys

[Speaker 6] (2:53:37 - 2:53:37)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:38 - 2:53:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:38 - 2:53:39)
And we wouldn't

[Speaker 3] (2:53:39 - 2:53:39)
But

[Speaker 5] (2:53:39 - 2:53:39)
have had

[Speaker 3] (2:53:39 - 2:53:39)
the thing

[Speaker 5] (2:53:39 - 2:53:39)
Because to pay

[Speaker 3] (2:53:39 - 2:53:39)
is,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:39 - 2:53:45)
the tonnage, because the tonnage at the time was $75 a ton,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:46 - 2:53:50)
and then you took $75 a ton, and then you backed that out on,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:50 - 2:53:54)
I think the number I even backed it out was 30 pounds,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:54 - 2:53:55)
30 pounds a bag.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:55 - 2:53:56)
30 pounds a bag.

[Speaker 5] (2:53:56 - 2:53:58)
And where'd you get that? You just I made it.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:58 - 2:53:59)
didn't, I wasn't involved in

[Speaker 3] (2:53:59 - 2:53:59)
It

[Speaker 6] (2:53:59 - 2:53:59)
that.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:59 - 2:53:59)
I was the

[Speaker 6] (2:53:59 - 2:54:00)
wanted

[Speaker 3] (2:54:00 - 2:54:00)
capacity

[Speaker 6] (2:54:00 - 2:54:00)
it,

[Speaker 3] (2:54:00 - 2:54:01)
of the bag.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:01 - 2:54:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:01 - 2:54:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:02 - 2:54:05)
My pricing came out a lot lower than the $3, and that was

[Speaker 6] (2:54:04 - 2:54:08)
That was my argument that I had lost and

[Speaker 7] (2:54:08 - 2:54:09)
At least you made it.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:09 - 2:54:09)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:54:09 - 2:54:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:09 - 2:54:20)
I made an argument, I made it lost, but I do understand the reason why the bag was more because it had to absorb the cost of transport,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:20 - 2:54:23)
all the other costs outside of tipping.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:24 - 2:54:26)
I just think there's a lot of...

[Speaker 5] (2:54:27 - 2:54:28)
possibilities.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:28 - 2:54:28)
Yeah, there

[Speaker 5] (2:54:28 - 2:54:28)
There's

[Speaker 6] (2:54:28 - 2:54:28)
are.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:28 - 2:54:31)
a lot of ways to go about it and there's a lot of ways to figure it out.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:31 - 2:54:38)
And believe me, I struggled with this and so did these conversations. We struggled with trying to come up with a fair number.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:38 - 2:54:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:40 - 2:54:44)
You know, like I said, there was conversations of it should be over 200.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:44 - 2:54:47)
I'm like, okay, well, that's how do you justify that?

[Speaker 3] (2:54:47 - 2:54:50)
And as low as it should be, you know, 140,

[Speaker 3] (2:54:50 - 2:54:53)
150. I'm like, but you're not.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:54 - 2:54:56)
capturing any of the service costs at that point.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:54:58 - 2:55:00)
Are we looking for a vote on this this evening?

[Speaker 8] (2:55:01 - 2:55:02)
If we are, that's fine.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:02 - 2:55:03)
I'm just asking.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:03 - 2:55:05)
We probably need a vote sooner than later.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:05 - 2:55:10)
How are people going to order or make a decision on an extra bin if they don't know the price?

[Speaker 5] (2:55:11 - 2:55:11)
Trigger.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:11 - 2:55:15)
Well, correct me I mean like I'm that's just an idea I'm thinking of.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:15 - 2:55:16)
Yeah, I think that the

[Speaker 6] (2:55:16 - 2:55:16)
The sooner

[Speaker 8] (2:55:16 - 2:55:16)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:55:16 - 2:55:20)
the sooner we deliver this to the to the residents the better I think

[Speaker 3] (2:55:20 - 2:55:20)
We

[Speaker 6] (2:55:20 - 2:55:21)
it's taking

[Speaker 3] (2:55:21 - 2:55:21)
can

[Speaker 6] (2:55:21 - 2:55:21)
a long

[Speaker 3] (2:55:21 - 2:55:21)
reevaluate

[Speaker 6] (2:55:21 - 2:55:21)
time

[Speaker 3] (2:55:21 - 2:55:22)
this every year.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:22 - 2:55:23)
So you've got $180

[Speaker 5] (2:55:23 - 2:55:24)
Yeah, yeah, we're

[Speaker 8] (2:55:24 - 2:55:24)
on

[Speaker 5] (2:55:24 - 2:55:24)
never going to

[Speaker 8] (2:55:24 - 2:55:24)
one

[Speaker 5] (2:55:24 - 2:55:26)
go side. down. We're never going to go down,

[Speaker 3] (2:55:26 - 2:55:26)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:26 - 2:55:27)
you know that as well as I do.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:27 - 2:55:29)
I think we can go down I mean

[Speaker 5] (2:55:29 - 2:55:29)
We don't go down in

[Speaker 8] (2:55:29 - 2:55:29)
You're

[Speaker 5] (2:55:29 - 2:55:30)
any way.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:30 - 2:55:30)
never gonna go down

[Speaker 5] (2:55:30 - 2:55:35)
We don't go down in water rates, we don't go down in trash, we don't go down in taxes. It's the reality of

[Speaker 6] (2:55:35 - 2:55:35)
Well

[Speaker 5] (2:55:35 - 2:55:35)
life.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:35 - 2:55:36)
the contract

[Speaker 8] (2:55:36 - 2:55:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:55:36 - 2:55:38)
rate the contract goes up five percent every year.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:38 - 2:55:38)
sign

[Speaker 5] (2:55:38 - 2:55:38)
Oh,

[Speaker 8] (2:55:38 - 2:55:38)
every year

[Speaker 5] (2:55:38 - 2:55:38)
sorry,

[Speaker 8] (2:55:38 - 2:55:38)
so

[Speaker 5] (2:55:38 - 2:55:39)
the union.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:39 - 2:55:39)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:39 - 2:55:44)
We don't typically negotiate down for anything that we ask people to pay for in this town.

[Speaker 8] (2:55:44 - 2:55:51)
so let me we have a hundred and eighty dollars is uh what you're advocating for what is a is there a dollar amount you're advocating for danielle

[Speaker 5] (2:55:51 - 2:55:51)
I would

[Speaker 8] (2:55:51 - 2:55:51)
or

[Speaker 5] (2:55:51 - 2:55:54)
advocate for 150 and

[Speaker 8] (2:55:54 - 2:55:57)
okay and that is takes into the cost of the tonnage plus the bag

[Speaker 5] (2:55:57 - 2:56:00)
evaluate it in a year if we don't if it doesn't factor that we're

[Speaker 5] (2:56:01 - 2:56:06)
you know, that we're if we're at all in the red or f whatever the factor is that you guys look at.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:06 - 2:56:07)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:56:07 - 2:56:09)
That would be my suggestion.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:09 - 2:56:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:09 - 2:56:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:10 - 2:56:11)
But I

[Speaker 6] (2:56:11 - 2:56:12)
Is

[Speaker 5] (2:56:12 - 2:56:14)
understand all the work that you've put into this.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:14 - 2:56:14)
It's okay. Again,

[Speaker 5] (2:56:14 - 2:56:14)
Probably no

[Speaker 1] (2:56:14 - 2:56:15)
I b There

[Speaker 5] (2:56:15 - 2:56:23)
eons more than I do about any of this, but I just I just feel like all the things we ask people to pay for is typically, you know,

[Speaker 6] (2:56:24 - 2:56:25)
But is your number capturing

[Speaker 6] (2:56:26 - 2:56:28)
capturing enough of the,

[Speaker 5] (2:56:29 - 2:56:32)
I went by $126 per one ton,

[Speaker 6] (2:56:32 - 2:56:32)
or one

[Speaker 5] (2:56:32 - 2:56:32)
$12

[Speaker 6] (2:56:32 - 2:56:32)
ton.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:32 - 2:56:35)
for a barrel got me to $138.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:35 - 2:56:37)
I'm going to tack on $12 extra to get to

[Speaker 8] (2:56:37 - 2:56:37)
Let's

[Speaker 5] (2:56:37 - 2:56:38)
$150.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:38 - 2:56:38)
basically add 10%.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:38 - 2:56:41)
But, but so you're only, you're only covering tipping then.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:41 - 2:56:43)
I am covering tipping plus 10%.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:46 - 2:56:46)
That one

[Speaker 5] (2:56:46 - 2:56:46)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:56:46 - 2:56:46)
thirty eight

[Speaker 5] (2:56:46 - 2:56:47)
you're covering

[Speaker 8] (2:56:47 - 2:56:47)
figure you had

[Speaker 5] (2:56:47 - 2:56:47)
the

[Speaker 8] (2:56:47 - 2:56:47)
nine percent,

[Speaker 6] (2:56:47 - 2:56:47)
All right,

[Speaker 5] (2:56:47 - 2:56:48)
covering the

[Speaker 8] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
so you're covering

[Speaker 5] (2:56:48 - 2:56:48)
barrel

[Speaker 6] (2:56:48 - 2:56:49)
tipping,

[Speaker 5] (2:56:49 - 2:56:49)
less

[Speaker 6] (2:56:49 - 2:56:49)
you're covering

[Speaker 5] (2:56:49 - 2:56:49)
than

[Speaker 6] (2:56:49 - 2:56:49)
tipping,

[Speaker 5] (2:56:49 - 2:56:50)
percent.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:50 - 2:56:52)
covering the barrel and ten percent.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:52 - 2:56:58)
And you're saying that the extra usage in your calculations was sixteen percent was the number

[Speaker 3] (2:56:58 - 2:56:58)
The

[Speaker 6] (2:56:58 - 2:56:58)
of

[Speaker 3] (2:56:58 - 2:56:59)
total,

[Speaker 3] (2:56:59 - 2:56:59)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:59 - 2:57:00)
the total extra overflow?

[Speaker 3] (2:57:01 - 2:57:03)
Yeah, and so, but I did that by bag,

[Speaker 3] (2:57:03 - 2:57:03)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:57:03 - 2:57:10)
And so if you took this total service burden relative to that,

[Speaker 3] (2:57:10 - 2:57:10)
it was...

[Speaker 3] (2:57:11 - 2:57:21)
like an extra ninety two thousand dollars was about a sixth of the contract is a sixth of the contract right and so yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:57:22 - 2:57:25)
Of the 600 just so I follow what you're saying

[Speaker 3] (2:57:25 - 2:57:38)
if you if you if you if you looked at the amount of orbers that was being used in the community which is based upon the amount the only data that we have that we know is the amount of bags that have been purchased

[Speaker 1] (2:57:38 - 2:57:54)
Right. And so we take the 40,000 bags times 27 pounds and we get a number. And that number was a proportion of the total tonnage that the town was paying for.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:54 - 2:57:58)
And that's that was just the basic math of how I got to that point.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:58 - 2:58:00)
Okay, so I think if you take that percentage though.

[Speaker 6] (2:58:01 - 2:58:03)
And that's the percentage of extra,

[Speaker 6] (2:58:03 - 2:58:11)
then if that's the percentage of the total, what the our total bill would be, then wouldn't that be the fair number to use for Danielle's equation?

[Speaker 8] (2:58:11 - 2:58:12)
And that gets to 170,

[Speaker 8] (2:58:12 - 2:58:14)
right? So this

[Speaker 6] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
That would be the

[Speaker 3] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
This

[Speaker 6] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
fair.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:14 - 2:58:22)
is just saying this is the 16% of the tonnage that is being used over and above relative

[Speaker 3] (2:58:24 - 2:58:25)
to the average amount.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:25 - 2:58:26)
It's the tack-on.

[Speaker 8] (2:58:27 - 2:58:27)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:27 - 2:58:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:31 - 2:58:33)
So it still doesn't get you to 180.

[Speaker 5] (2:58:34 - 2:58:35)
Does it get you

[Speaker 13] (2:58:35 - 2:58:35)
to 180?

[Speaker 2] (2:58:34 - 2:58:35)
Does it get us to 170?

[Speaker 1] (2:58:35 - 2:58:35)
179.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:35 - 2:58:36)
Is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 3] (2:58:36 - 2:58:38)
169.50.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:38 - 2:58:39)
That seems like that

[Speaker 3] (2:58:39 - 2:58:40)
If I follow

[Speaker 2] (2:58:40 - 2:58:40)
seems like

[Speaker 3] (2:58:40 - 2:58:40)
in all those

[Speaker 2] (2:58:40 - 2:58:49)
if that seems like it gets us to the number of covering covering that percentage of the bill and covering the tipping. I just don't think it can be just tipping.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:49 - 2:58:51)
I think it has to be a fair.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:51 - 2:59:05)
a fair number to cover the the service of the to cover the service and if it sounds like that extra percentage of service by the bags was sixteen per cent, then use that as a gateway.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:06 - 2:59:11)
So if the if the service is sixty if you're putting service at sixteen percent,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:11 - 2:59:16)
tonnage at one twenty six, a barrel at twelve, that gets you to one sixty nine, Ted.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:16 - 2:59:17)
One twenty six.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:18 - 2:59:19)
Twelve dollars for a barrel.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:19 - 2:59:21)
Oh, I'm sorry, no. I did the math wrong. Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:23 - 2:59:23)
I thought He so.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:23 - 2:59:24)
said sixteen.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
That

[Speaker 3] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
Uh

[Speaker 2] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
was

[Speaker 3] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
one

[Speaker 2] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
good.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:25 - 2:59:31)
six plus twelve. One f one fifty eight sixteen, so one sixty.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:32 - 2:59:33)
If we round up to the

[Speaker 4] (2:59:33 - 2:59:33)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:59:33 - 2:59:33)
near.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:33 - 2:59:37)
s okay, let me let me let's let's back up for a second. So if I look at

[Speaker 4] (2:59:38 - 2:59:39)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:59:41 - 2:59:51)
92 it was I think it was like 92 thought it was the cost right of the verse of the service burden itself so it's 1 6th of the service burden per

[Speaker 3] (2:59:51 - 2:59:51)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:51 - 2:59:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:54 - 2:59:56)
user the

[Speaker 4] (2:59:59 - 3:00:04)
question is how many use how many how many the question that we don't know is how many extra users we're going to have

[Speaker 5] (3:00:05 - 3:00:07)
So I'm confused when you're saying the service cost.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:08 - 3:00:12)
Because the service cost is the truck coming to your street, going,

[Speaker 5] (3:00:12 - 3:00:12)
dumping, coming

[Speaker 4] (3:00:12 - 3:00:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
back, completing the

[Speaker 4] (3:00:13 - 3:00:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:13 - 3:00:14)
town.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:14 - 3:00:15)
Which it's doing anyway.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:16 - 3:00:21)
That's what I'm confused how the extra bag contributed that amount to the service cost.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:23 - 3:00:27)
Because they were, is it the labor, is it the time?

[Speaker 3] (3:00:27 - 3:00:29)
Or lost capacity.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:29 - 3:00:29)
That's yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:30 - 3:00:32)
Which is not going to be the same because it's going to be automated.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:32 - 3:00:33)
So what

[Speaker 3] (3:00:33 - 3:00:38)
Do a lost capacity in a truck. If one house is getting two bags and the house next door is getting one bag,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:38 - 3:00:42)
the truck can only hold 50 bags regardless of how many households it services.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:43 - 3:00:43)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:43 - 3:00:44)
That was

[Speaker 1] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:44 - 3:00:47)
the misconception, that's, you're saying my question, or

[Speaker 4] (3:00:47 - 3:00:47)
It was a good way to,

[Speaker 5] (3:00:47 - 3:00:47)
you're

[Speaker 4] (3:00:47 - 3:00:48)
that was a good way stating to put

[Speaker 5] (3:00:48 - 3:00:48)
my

[Speaker 4] (3:00:48 - 3:00:48)
it.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:48 - 3:00:50)
comment better than I was forming my

[Speaker 4] (3:00:50 - 3:00:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:50 - 3:00:51)
question.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:51 - 3:00:54)
So someone that buys an extra bag is not equal to someone that has a second barrel?

[Speaker 4] (3:00:54 - 3:00:55)
Well, I mean,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
For

[Speaker 3] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
It's

[Speaker 4] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
it...

[Speaker 2] (3:00:55 - 3:00:55)
service

[Speaker 3] (3:00:55 - 3:00:56)
same thing.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:56 - 3:00:56)
costs?

[Speaker 3] (3:00:56 - 3:00:56)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (3:00:56 - 3:00:56)
Is it the

[Speaker 3] (3:00:56 - 3:00:57)
no same

[Speaker 2] (3:00:57 - 3:00:57)
same?

[Speaker 3] (3:00:57 - 3:00:58)
same thing,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:58 - 3:00:58)
But

[Speaker 3] (3:00:58 - 3:00:58)
right? But if a truck

[Speaker 1] (3:00:58 - 3:00:58)
only

[Speaker 3] (3:00:58 - 3:00:58)
holds

[Speaker 1] (3:00:58 - 3:00:58)
people

[Speaker 3] (3:00:58 - 3:00:59)
100

[Speaker 1] (3:00:59 - 3:00:59)
buy

[Speaker 3] (3:00:59 - 3:01:01)
bags, how those 100 bags get divided is

[Speaker 1] (3:01:01 - 3:01:02)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (3:01:02 - 3:01:10)
but we're only, we're penalizing the person with the second barrel as opposed to the person that just buys per bag if we're adding up to this extra service cost.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:10 - 3:01:15)
It's the same paradigm as the bag itself.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:15 - 3:01:20)
The bag is part tipping and part service cost.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:21 - 3:01:25)
It's the same philosophy we've been on for six years at

[Speaker 2] (3:01:25 - 3:01:25)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:25 - 3:01:26)
this point.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:26 - 3:01:28)
I'm not changing that necessarily.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:28 - 3:01:33)
In fact, I'm even saying it's less than the amount.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:34 - 3:01:38)
If we theoretically should be paying over $4 a bag, we're only paying three.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:39 - 3:01:41)
I'm just suggesting we go to $3.50 because I think that is a lot.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:41 - 3:01:44)
That's a big jump for a lot of people.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:44 - 3:01:47)
And I'm trying to keep that in mind.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:47 - 3:01:49)
So if we go from $3 to $3.50,

[Speaker 3] (3:01:49 - 3:01:54)
I think that's reasonably justified considering our trash costs have gone up 50%. And we haven't adjusted it.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:54 - 3:01:59)
Right, but if we're taking that same accommodation to go from $3 to $3.50, but we're not.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:59 - 3:02:00)
not to go up to 180.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:00 - 3:02:03)
Do you understand how you're not applying the same principle?

[Speaker 3] (3:02:04 - 3:02:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:04 - 3:02:04)
You're

[Speaker 3] (3:02:04 - 3:02:04)
I just multi

[Speaker 1] (3:02:04 - 3:02:10)
giving people a little bit of an increase here, but you're going from you're finding the ability to go straight to 180 on a second barrel.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:10 - 3:02:11)
Well, because you're

[Speaker 3] (3:02:11 - 3:02:11)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:11 - 3:02:11)
the second

[Speaker 2] (3:02:11 - 3:02:12)
you're

[Speaker 3] (3:02:12 - 3:02:12)
barrel

[Speaker 2] (3:02:12 - 3:02:17)
because you're saying the second barrel is going to is going to take that that bag

[Speaker 3] (3:02:18 - 3:02:24)
Well, the second barrel if it well if every house instead of getting a second barrel bought one bag

[Speaker 3] (3:02:25 - 3:02:26)
Every week of the year,

[Speaker 4] (3:02:26 - 3:02:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:26 - 3:02:26)
182.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:26 - 3:02:28)
it would be $182.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:28 - 3:02:30)
If you bought one bag every week of the year,

[Speaker 2] (3:02:30 - 3:02:30)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:30 - 3:02:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:30 - 3:02:30)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:02:30 - 3:02:31)
But what if you didn't?

[Speaker 4] (3:02:31 - 3:02:33)
Then you just use the bags.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:33 - 3:02:34)
You

[Speaker 1] (3:02:34 - 3:02:34)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:34 - 3:02:36)
continue going on as normal as today

[Speaker 2] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
And you have to remember

[Speaker 4] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
is

[Speaker 2] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
these

[Speaker 4] (3:02:36 - 3:02:37)
normal.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:37 - 3:02:39)
bins will take a bag and a half.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:40 - 3:02:42)
This is a 40 pound bin and this

[Speaker 1] (3:02:42 - 3:02:44)
is So a bigger bin than the bin that we're

[Speaker 2] (3:02:44 - 3:02:44)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:44 - 3:02:45)
using it's now.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45)
the same

[Speaker 4] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45)
No,

[Speaker 2] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45)
size bin,

[Speaker 4] (3:02:45 - 3:02:46)
it just will

[Speaker 2] (3:02:46 - 3:02:46)
but a bin

[Speaker 4] (3:02:46 - 3:02:46)
take more

[Speaker 2] (3:02:46 - 3:02:47)
can

[Speaker 4] (3:02:47 - 3:02:47)
weight.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:47 - 3:02:47)
A compacted

[Speaker 2] (3:02:47 - 3:02:48)
take more

[Speaker 4] (3:02:48 - 3:02:50)
bin weight. versus blowing the bag.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:50 - 3:02:50)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:51 - 3:02:52)
The size of the bin can handle

[Speaker 4] (3:02:52 - 3:02:52)
People

[Speaker 2] (3:02:52 - 3:02:53)
more

[Speaker 4] (3:02:53 - 3:02:53)
have to use,

[Speaker 2] (3:02:53 - 3:02:53)
weight

[Speaker 4] (3:02:53 - 3:02:53)
people

[Speaker 2] (3:02:53 - 3:02:54)
than a bag.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:54 - 3:02:56)
Listen, we could probably debate this for eight hours.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:56 - 3:02:56)
just be,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:56 - 3:02:58)
I don't care. Pick whatever price you want.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:58 - 3:02:58)
let me, let me,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:58 - 3:02:59)
I'm stuck

[Speaker 2] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
Let's

[Speaker 1] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
on

[Speaker 2] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
just get

[Speaker 1] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
what

[Speaker 2] (3:02:59 - 3:02:59)
close.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:59 - 3:03:00)
I think.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:00 - 3:03:00)
But let's

[Speaker 3] (3:03:00 - 3:03:00)
Yeah, what's

[Speaker 2] (3:03:00 - 3:03:00)
get close.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:00 - 3:03:01)
your recommendation?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:01 - 3:03:02)
Let's get close.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:02 - 3:03:03)
We just got close.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:03 - 3:03:10)
We just did the numbers 26 ways, and it went to now we're calculating at 158 or 161, but we want to go to 180.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:10 - 3:03:12)
I mean, it's up to you guys.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:12 - 3:03:13)
You want to go for 180,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:13 - 3:03:15)
go for it. I don't agree with it.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:15 - 3:03:17)
That's just how I'm landing. But by all means.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:18 - 3:03:20)
If you want to propose that, that's totally

[Speaker 3] (3:03:20 - 3:03:20)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:03:20 - 3:03:21)
fine too.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:21 - 3:03:24)
the bags is being proposed to go up to $3.50 a bag.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:24 - 3:03:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:24 - 3:03:24)
That's correct?

[Speaker 4] (3:03:24 - 3:03:31)
Yeah. And, you know, we're right in the middle of the slot of 20 different communities I just got the list of.

[Speaker 4] (3:03:32 - 3:03:32)
Same

[Speaker 1] (3:03:32 - 3:03:32)
I'd like

[Speaker 4] (3:03:32 - 3:03:32)
chart.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:32 - 3:03:34)
to see the comparison communities,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:34 - 3:03:35)
to be quite honest,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:35 - 3:03:35)
to I see every

[Speaker 3] (3:03:35 - 3:03:36)
can show you too.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:36 - 3:03:38)
single one and really understand where we fall.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:39 - 3:03:39)
I have

[Speaker 3] (3:03:39 - 3:03:39)
Is

[Speaker 1] (3:03:39 - 3:03:40)
a

[Speaker 3] (3:03:40 - 3:03:40)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:03:40 - 3:03:40)
hard

[Speaker 3] (3:03:40 - 3:03:40)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:03:40 - 3:03:42)
time thinking they're all charging 180 for an extra barrel.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:43 - 3:03:43)
I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:43 - 3:03:44)
I could be crazy.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:44 - 3:03:45)
list of, what is landfill

[Speaker 2] (3:03:45 - 3:03:45)
We're probably

[Speaker 3] (3:03:45 - 3:03:46)
for

[Speaker 2] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
the

[Speaker 3] (3:03:46 - 3:03:46)
example?

[Speaker 2] (3:03:46 - 3:03:48)
only community that has a small barrel.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:48 - 3:03:49)
So, and we're

[Speaker 1] (3:03:49 - 3:03:50)
I don't know that that's.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:50 - 3:03:54)
leading community as far as reducing our tonnage.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:55 - 3:03:58)
So we have a list of comparator communities that we've always looked at,

[Speaker 3] (3:03:58 - 3:03:58)
Linfield

[Speaker 1] (3:03:58 - 3:03:59)
For this

[Speaker 5] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
We're

[Speaker 3] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
being

[Speaker 1] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
one?

[Speaker 5] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
not,

[Speaker 3] (3:03:59 - 3:03:59)
one of them.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:59 - 3:04:01)
we are not all in a new contract.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:01 - 3:04:02)
Got it. Okay,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:02 - 3:04:02)
That

[Speaker 3] (3:04:02 - 3:04:03)
so that's not

[Speaker 5] (3:04:03 - 3:04:04)
is a, that is a significant,

[Speaker 3] (3:04:04 - 3:04:04)
Apple,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:04 - 3:04:05)
significant

[Speaker 3] (3:04:05 - 3:04:05)
okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:05 - 3:04:05)
issue.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:05 - 3:04:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:06 - 3:04:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:06 - 3:04:10)
Linfield is at the end of their DRM contract and still suggesting

[Speaker 1] (3:04:10 - 3:04:16)
But there are a number that just signed new ones, right, that we were just comparing ourselves to when we were doing this project,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:16 - 3:04:16)
So in

[Speaker 1] (3:04:16 - 3:04:16)
right?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:16 - 3:04:19)
the review of this, it was a little more.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:20 - 3:04:34)
spread so Danvers tops field and then geographically spread a little bit more in terms of the information was put together by slack but I think sort of to restate what you were saying if there is a motion for a number there could be a vote tonight

[Speaker 2] (3:04:34 - 3:04:34)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (3:04:34 - 3:04:34)
or

[Speaker 2] (3:04:34 - 3:04:39)
the only question I have is I just want to go back to, you know.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:40 - 3:04:43)
I'm not in favor of just a tipping fee.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:43 - 3:04:44)
I don't think that is fair.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:44 - 3:04:49)
But if there is a concern that the 180 picking up the addition,

[Speaker 2] (3:04:49 - 3:04:54)
if that number is too high, I just want to find out is there a way we can tweak this.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:54 - 3:04:57)
And I'm just wondering,

[Speaker 2] (3:04:57 - 3:04:57)
Wayne,

[Speaker 2] (3:04:57 - 3:05:05)
is Ted's numbers of adding that 16% in there, is that...

[Speaker 2] (3:05:07 - 3:05:08)
Where do we stand with that?

[Speaker 1] (3:05:09 - 3:05:14)
That's the same service fee number right that you would apply to the blue bags right and that's the same thing same

[Speaker 3] (3:05:14 - 3:05:15)
Let me just be clear.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:15 - 3:05:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:15 - 3:05:19)
I did the $126 times 1.16,

[Speaker 3] (3:05:19 - 3:05:23)
16%, plus 12 got us to $158.16.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:23 - 3:05:23)
I never,

[Speaker 4] (3:05:23 - 3:05:26)
the 16% multiplier is not intended,

[Speaker 4] (3:05:26 - 3:05:28)
the 16% was not intended to be a multiplier.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:30 - 3:05:32)
But is that not the service fee we're talking about

[Speaker 1] (3:05:33 - 3:05:34)
Isn't that

[Speaker 3] (3:05:34 - 3:05:35)
Right, that's what I was.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:35 - 3:05:38)
There's got to be a number that we're we can't

[Speaker 6] (3:05:39 - 3:05:39)
Getting out

[Speaker 2] (3:05:39 - 3:05:48)
So I think I have to recommend it's 935. We do have some other things we have to talk about perhaps that we just have to go back and retweak this number

[Speaker 4] (3:05:48 - 3:05:51)
I think your questions are incredibly legitimate.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:51 - 3:05:54)
I think the public should be asking the same questions.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:54 - 3:05:58)
I'm more than happy to come back and show.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:59 - 3:06:01)
A couple of different frameworks,

[Speaker 4] (3:06:01 - 3:06:03)
how we got to where we got to.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:04 - 3:06:06)
And then we can come up with a decision.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:06 - 3:06:12)
But it's safe to say to the public probably that the dollar amount will be in the $130 to $200 range.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:12 - 3:06:13)
Yeah, definitely.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:13 - 3:06:14)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:06:14 - 3:06:14)
Or

[Speaker 2] (3:06:14 - 3:06:14)
would say

[Speaker 1] (3:06:14 - 3:06:14)
$150

[Speaker 2] (3:06:14 - 3:06:15)
it's going to to be $150.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:15 - 3:06:15)
$200.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:15 - 3:06:18)
$150 to $200.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:18 - 3:06:19)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:19 - 3:06:21)
But that's the range that people should expect coming out of tonight and

[Speaker 1] (3:06:21 - 3:06:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:22 - 3:06:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:22 - 3:06:23)
And if rest you,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:23 - 3:06:23)
their side

[Speaker 1] (3:06:23 - 3:06:23)
Nick,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:23 - 3:06:23)
on.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:23 - 3:06:25)
wouldn't mind getting the comparing communities.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:25 - 3:06:26)
Yes, absolutely cool.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:26 - 3:06:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:26 - 3:06:27)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:27 - 3:06:28)
so we can get a picture of that.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:29 - 3:06:30)
I think that would be helpful.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:30 - 3:06:30)
afforded.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:30 - 3:06:36)
And folks can still request, knowing that the final cost will come, and they can just withdraw

[Speaker 2] (3:06:36 - 3:06:36)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:36 - 3:06:37)
their request if they would like,

[Speaker 2] (3:06:37 - 3:06:37)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:37 - 3:06:38)
on the website.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:38 - 3:06:39)
They can plan

[Speaker 3] (3:06:39 - 3:06:39)
Live

[Speaker 2] (3:06:39 - 3:06:39)
on not paying

[Speaker 3] (3:06:39 - 3:06:39)
now.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:39 - 3:06:40)
at least $150.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:40 - 3:06:40)
That

[Speaker 2] (3:06:40 - 3:06:40)
At

[Speaker 1] (3:06:40 - 3:06:40)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:40 - 3:06:41)
will least be, they they

[Speaker 2] (3:06:41 - 3:06:41)
know

[Speaker 3] (3:06:41 - 3:06:41)
have

[Speaker 2] (3:06:41 - 3:06:42)
that they

[Speaker 3] (3:06:42 - 3:06:42)
a cap

[Speaker 2] (3:06:42 - 3:06:42)
have

[Speaker 3] (3:06:42 - 3:06:42)
over

[Speaker 2] (3:06:42 - 3:06:42)
a number.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:42 - 3:06:43)
in,

[Speaker 2] (3:06:43 - 3:06:47)
I have a chance to get a bin and not buy those blue

[Speaker 3] (3:06:47 - 3:06:49)
And bags. I will also help I us, could have got this from you guys ago when I had

[Speaker 1] (3:06:49 - 3:06:49)
Yes,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:49 - 3:06:50)
my son.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:50 - 3:06:50)
right.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:50 - 3:06:53)
It will also help us from an inventory standpoint if folks.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:54 - 3:06:57)
that are thinking about a chair that information as soon as possible.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:57 - 3:06:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:57 - 3:06:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:06:57 - 3:06:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:58 - 3:06:58)
Cool.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:58 - 3:06:58)
But

[Speaker 2] (3:06:58 - 3:07:00)
And do we want to discuss the recycling

[Speaker 3] (3:07:00 - 3:07:00)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:07:00 - 3:07:00)
number?

[Speaker 3] (3:07:00 - 3:07:01)
was gonna say it's

[Speaker 2] (3:07:01 - 3:07:02)
Oh, is it? Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
Oh, shoot.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:02 - 3:07:03)
if Wayne wants to

[Speaker 4] (3:07:03 - 3:07:03)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (3:07:03 - 3:07:05)
Do you wanna put that out there too?

[Speaker 2] (3:07:05 - 3:07:08)
The recycling number, I think we have to discuss the recycling number and

[Speaker 4] (3:07:08 - 3:07:08)
Number.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:08 - 3:07:10)
also our opinion on going to every other week.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:12 - 3:07:14)
So a second recycling bin,

[Speaker 4] (3:07:14 - 3:07:15)
remember you're talking about 96 gallons.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:16 - 3:07:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:16 - 3:07:18)
It's not, I'm not talking about actually 35 gallons.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:19 - 3:07:30)
extra 96 gallons. Um the contract works in that we pay 125. This is the it's basically the same rate for weight.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:30 - 3:07:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:31 - 3:07:33)
We do make revenue back on that.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:33 - 3:07:35)
That varies quarter by quarter.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:35 - 3:07:35)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (3:07:35 - 3:07:35)
So we

[Speaker 1] (3:07:35 - 3:07:35)
and it's

[Speaker 4] (3:07:35 - 3:07:35)
made some

[Speaker 1] (3:07:35 - 3:07:35)
very

[Speaker 4] (3:07:35 - 3:07:35)
we

[Speaker 1] (3:07:35 - 3:07:36)
little.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:36 - 3:07:36)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:36 - 3:07:45)
made some assumptions. It could be between 20 and 40 dollars a tonne. Could be lower, it could be higher. But that number backs off the 125.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:46 - 3:07:52)
So we made some assumptions based upon density of known density of residential recycling.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:53 - 3:07:55)
Those bins full,

[Speaker 4] (3:07:55 - 3:07:59)
we average about sixty seven call seventy pounds.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:00 - 3:08:06)
Full I mean full of everything from glass to cardboard to plastics

[Speaker 1] (3:08:06 - 3:08:06)
Got it.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:06 - 3:08:08)
and everything in metals.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:08 - 3:08:08)
What's the number?

[Speaker 1] (3:08:08 - 3:08:09)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:10 - 3:08:13)
The average resident is only going to use around 11 pounds.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:13 - 3:08:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:14 - 3:08:25)
So if we had gone every week, we were talking about two hundred dollars. If we're going every other week and you need an extra bin barrel, we're talking about a hundred dollars.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:26 - 3:08:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:27 - 3:08:29)
Does that include the same service fee?

[Speaker 1] (3:08:29 - 3:08:29)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:08:29 - 3:08:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:30 - 3:08:31)
I feel

[Speaker 2] (3:08:31 - 3:08:31)
That

[Speaker 1] (3:08:31 - 3:08:31)
like

[Speaker 2] (3:08:31 - 3:08:32)
does it include the

[Speaker 1] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
just

[Speaker 2] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
s

[Speaker 1] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
clocking

[Speaker 3] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
in is our

[Speaker 3] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
um

[Speaker 1] (3:08:32 - 3:08:34)
penny here, I gotta tell you.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:34 - 3:08:35)
He's not.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:35 - 3:08:35)
No.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:36 - 3:08:36)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:36 - 3:08:38)
A hundred dollars every two weeks.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:38 - 3:08:38)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:39 - 3:08:40)
It was just for recycling.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:42 - 3:08:45)
200 if we do every week. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:45 - 3:08:47)
Why don't we take the same framework that we do with trash to recycling?

[Speaker 5] (3:08:47 - 3:08:48)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:48 - 3:08:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:48 - 3:08:49)
because we get money back on recycling.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:49 - 3:08:50)
Oh, okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:08:50 - 3:08:53)
got it. So that would offset the service, marginal service fee differences.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:54 - 3:08:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:55 - 3:08:55)
So,

[Speaker 2] (3:08:55 - 3:08:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:55 - 3:08:55)
so

[Speaker 2] (3:08:55 - 3:08:56)
Got it.

[Speaker 6] (3:08:56 - 3:09:01)
there's two questions here is the board's feelings on going to every other week.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:02 - 3:09:03)
There's actually three questions.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:03 - 3:09:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:03 - 3:09:08)
Going to every other week? And if we are in favor of going every other week, like the majority,

[Speaker 6] (3:09:09 - 3:09:22)
super-majority of communities in the Commonwealth, and when we would when we would do that, and then the third question would be, what would be the price on that additional bin if people felt that they needed an additional bin?

[Speaker 2] (3:09:23 - 3:09:24)
In your recommendation for

[Speaker 3] (3:09:24 - 3:09:24)
It

[Speaker 2] (3:09:24 - 3:09:25)
the additional

[Speaker 3] (3:09:25 - 3:09:25)
would be

[Speaker 2] (3:09:25 - 3:09:25)
bin

[Speaker 3] (3:09:25 - 3:09:25)
a hundred

[Speaker 2] (3:09:25 - 3:09:25)
hundred

[Speaker 3] (3:09:25 - 3:09:26)
hundred dollars.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:26 - 3:09:26)
dollars.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:26 - 3:09:27)
A hundred dollars,

[Speaker 2] (3:09:27 - 3:09:28)
Fair enough, yeah. that's easy to remember.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:28 - 3:09:29)
Um,

[Speaker 5] (3:09:29 - 3:09:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:29 - 3:09:32)
what's the savings to the town if we go to every other week?

[Speaker 3] (3:09:33 - 3:09:35)
I think it's $147,000 if

[Speaker 1] (3:09:35 - 3:09:35)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:09:35 - 3:09:35)
I'm not

[Speaker 6] (3:09:35 - 3:09:35)
168

[Speaker 1] (3:09:35 - 3:09:35)
more than that.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:35 - 3:09:36)
,000.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:36 - 3:09:37)
$168,000.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:37 - 3:09:37)
Per year?

[Speaker 3] (3:09:37 - 3:09:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:37 - 3:09:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:38 - 3:09:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:38 - 3:09:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:38 - 3:09:43)
And does that rid uh do we have an escalator? Like year two if we if we

[Speaker 6] (3:09:43 - 3:09:43)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:09:43 - 3:09:43)
take

[Speaker 6] (3:09:43 - 3:09:43)
an that additional

[Speaker 2] (3:09:43 - 3:09:44)
out?

[Speaker 6] (3:09:44 - 3:09:45)
five percent.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:45 - 3:09:49)
So basically every year it'd be that plus five percent plus five. Yeah okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:51 - 3:09:56)
And it whenever we decide to make a change it will be prorated for the year that we're in.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:57 - 3:10:01)
So whenever we make the switch to Mary Ellen's point, those savings begin.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:01 - 3:10:05)
I I loathe the fact that I'm even about to say this, but I don't understand how we could not do that.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:06 - 3:10:06)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:06 - 3:10:07)
Go to every other week.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:07 - 3:10:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:07 - 3:10:08)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:10:08 - 3:10:09)
That that dollar savings is

[Speaker 6] (3:10:09 - 3:10:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:09 - 3:10:12)
an FTE. I mean, at least

[Speaker 6] (3:10:12 - 3:10:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:12 - 3:10:13)
an FTE,

[Speaker 5] (3:10:13 - 3:10:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:13 - 3:10:14)
right?

[Speaker 6] (3:10:14 - 3:10:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:14 - 3:10:14)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:10:15 - 3:10:25)
If we're offering an additional 95 gallons for $100, we've got opportunity for recycling once a month for the big, you know, they The advertise

[Speaker 6] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25)
cardboard.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:25 - 3:10:26)
this cardboard.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:26 - 3:10:27)
Do you remember the cardboard? So,

[Speaker 2] (3:10:27 - 3:10:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:27 - 3:10:29)
and cardboard is the bulk of of recycling.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:30 - 3:10:30)
I just

[Speaker 6] (3:10:30 - 3:10:36)
So you don't have to if you don't have to get another bin, you could just drop off your cardboard once a month.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:36 - 3:10:37)
Or you cannot,

[Speaker 5] (3:10:37 - 3:10:37)
right?

[Speaker 5] (3:10:38 - 3:10:42)
Have you calculated the cost of not recycling people not recycling because of this?

[Speaker 3] (3:10:44 - 3:10:45)
People oh Because because

[Speaker 2] (3:10:45 - 3:10:45)
of every other week?

[Speaker 3] (3:10:45 - 3:10:46)
they can trash?

[Speaker 5] (3:10:46 - 3:10:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:46 - 3:10:47)
Yeah, we're

[Speaker 5] (3:10:47 - 3:10:47)
People

[Speaker 3] (3:10:47 - 3:10:47)
gonna

[Speaker 5] (3:10:47 - 3:10:48)
just throw

[Speaker 3] (3:10:48 - 3:10:48)
fill

[Speaker 5] (3:10:48 - 3:10:48)
out their their trash

[Speaker 3] (3:10:48 - 3:10:48)
bins are

[Speaker 5] (3:10:48 - 3:10:48)
instead.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:48 - 3:10:49)
gonna they're gonna pay

[Speaker 6] (3:10:49 - 3:10:51)
They'll be filling up that extra bin.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:51 - 3:10:52)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:52 - 3:10:54)
It's gonna cost between a hundred and fifty two hundred dollars.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:55 - 3:10:56)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:10:56 - 3:10:59)
It's gonna be less than $200 though, right?

[Speaker 2] (3:10:59 - 3:11:01)
just don't understand how we cannot I

[Speaker 3] (3:11:01 - 3:11:01)
So

[Speaker 2] (3:11:01 - 3:11:01)
mean it's

[Speaker 3] (3:11:01 - 3:11:01)
I I the

[Speaker 5] (3:11:01 - 3:11:02)
just I'm just saying.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:02 - 3:11:04)
only only thing that really makes sense for is glass

[Speaker 3] (3:11:05 - 3:11:07)
Where it costs theoretically

[Speaker 5] (3:11:07 - 3:11:07)
Who

[Speaker 3] (3:11:07 - 3:11:07)
crunches.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:07 - 3:11:10)
recycles I mean what's the majority of people recycling glass?

[Speaker 3] (3:11:11 - 3:11:11)
People

[Speaker 5] (3:11:11 - 3:11:11)
Not

[Speaker 3] (3:11:11 - 3:11:12)
throw the glass in

[Speaker 6] (3:11:12 - 3:11:13)
I do.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:13 - 3:11:13)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:11:13 - 3:11:13)
people

[Speaker 2] (3:11:13 - 3:11:13)
do.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:13 - 3:11:13)
throw

[Speaker 5] (3:11:13 - 3:11:14)
What

[Speaker 3] (3:11:14 - 3:11:14)
the glass

[Speaker 5] (3:11:14 - 3:11:14)
glass

[Speaker 3] (3:11:14 - 3:11:14)
in recycling.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:14 - 3:11:14)
do you?

[Speaker 5] (3:11:15 - 3:11:16)
have that you recycle most

[Speaker 3] (3:11:16 - 3:11:17)
You see

[Speaker 5] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
people

[Speaker 3] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
you

[Speaker 5] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
are recycling

[Speaker 6] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
see a glass

[Speaker 5] (3:11:17 - 3:11:17)
plastic plastic

[Speaker 3] (3:11:17 - 3:11:18)
goes around

[Speaker 6] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18)
gets glass

[Speaker 3] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18)
plastic

[Speaker 5] (3:11:18 - 3:11:18)
of

[Speaker 6] (3:11:18 - 3:11:19)
gets recycled.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:19 - 3:11:23)
course it does but who has glass to recycle is what I'm saying you have glass oh

[Speaker 1] (3:11:23 - 3:11:24)
We don't

[Speaker 6] (3:11:24 - 3:11:24)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:24 - 3:11:24)
I don't

[Speaker 6] (3:11:24 - 3:11:24)
glass.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:24 - 3:11:26)
I don't I

[Speaker 2] (3:11:26 - 3:11:26)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:11:26 - 3:11:28)
don't typically use cardboard or plastic simply

[Speaker 2] (3:11:28 - 3:11:28)
recycle

[Speaker 5] (3:11:28 - 3:11:29)
because you're made yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:11:29 - 3:11:30)
glass yeah

[Speaker 5] (3:11:30 - 3:11:30)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:11:30 - 3:11:31)
i

[Speaker 5] (3:11:31 - 3:11:32)
don't know that I ever dispose of glass

[Speaker 2] (3:11:32 - 3:11:34)
bottles of diet coke so

[Speaker 5] (3:11:35 - 3:11:37)
mine are plastic tin cans

[Speaker 6] (3:11:37 - 3:11:41)
So I'd like to make a motion that we move.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:43 - 3:11:56)
Well, let's figure out the when we would want to move before I make the motion. So the next question is when would we want to move? Um I know that Katie brought three months. I know, Ted, you brought up January one.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:56 - 3:11:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:57 - 3:11:59)
Same. I think I think three.

[Speaker 6] (3:11:59 - 3:11:59)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:11:59 - 3:12:00)
I

[Speaker 6] (3:12:00 - 3:12:00)
Yeah, Danielle

[Speaker 2] (3:12:00 - 3:12:00)
just

[Speaker 6] (3:12:00 - 3:12:03)
do you have an opinion on three months or January one or Ted?

[Speaker 6] (3:12:04 - 3:12:05)
I mean, I'd say d

[Speaker 5] (3:12:05 - 3:12:09)
I don't think it makes sense to institute in the middle of the winter personally, but I think

[Speaker 2] (3:12:09 - 3:12:12)
The only reason I suggested January one was to get through what

[Speaker 6] (3:12:12 - 3:12:12)
Get through the

[Speaker 2] (3:12:12 - 3:12:12)
is

[Speaker 6] (3:12:12 - 3:12:12)
holidays.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:12 - 3:12:13)
the busy

[Speaker 5] (3:12:13 - 3:12:13)
Holidays.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:13 - 3:12:15)
holiday season with a lot of recycling and Amazon

[Speaker 3] (3:12:15 - 3:12:16)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:16 - 3:12:18)
boxes or whatever your online retailer of choice

[Speaker 5] (3:12:18 - 3:12:18)
Sure,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:18 - 3:12:18)
is?

[Speaker 5] (3:12:18 - 3:12:18)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:19 - 3:12:21)
That was my reason to suggest that.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:21 - 3:12:24)
And if we make this change in three months, you know, we're talking, you know, July,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:24 - 3:12:25)
There's

[Speaker 2] (3:12:25 - 3:12:25)
August,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:25 - 3:12:25)
a

[Speaker 2] (3:12:25 - 3:12:25)
lot September,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:25 - 3:12:25)
more customer

[Speaker 2] (3:12:25 - 3:12:25)
October.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:25 - 3:12:26)
complaints.

[Speaker 5] (3:12:26 - 3:12:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:12:26 - 3:12:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:26 - 3:12:27)
I mean.

[Speaker 5] (3:12:27 - 3:12:29)
As long as we communicate it out, right,

[Speaker 5] (3:12:29 - 3:12:30)
I mean

[Speaker 5] (3:12:30 - 3:12:32)
I we're talking about it now so it's active in people

[Speaker 1] (3:12:32 - 3:12:32)
Yeah

[Speaker 5] (3:12:32 - 3:12:33)
minds,

[Speaker 3] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:12:33 - 3:12:37)
but you know if you then say we're gonna punt it three months Will they you know we

[Speaker 3] (3:12:37 - 3:12:38)
I think

[Speaker 5] (3:12:38 - 3:12:38)
then have to communicate?

[Speaker 3] (3:12:38 - 3:12:43)
we're gonna there's a lot we're gonna learn in the next few months as this everything goes into place I

[Speaker 5] (3:12:43 - 3:12:44)
Yeah

[Speaker 3] (3:12:44 - 3:12:46)
would like to set the you know

[Speaker 3] (3:12:47 - 3:13:00)
As a target for six months I'd like to continue to evaluate this in terms of the timing In terms of how the community is doing I think I think the community is going to be surprised at how actually successful this is going to be I think there's going to be a bit of an adjustment

[Speaker 3] (3:13:01 - 3:13:08)
Particularly on the recycling side a lot of feedback has been how can I possibly go every other week I

[Speaker 5] (3:13:08 - 3:13:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:09 - 3:13:12)
think once they see how big the barrels really are that

[Speaker 3] (3:13:13 - 3:13:15)
the general public probably

[Speaker 2] (3:13:15 - 3:13:15)
That might be

[Speaker 3] (3:13:15 - 3:13:15)
become

[Speaker 2] (3:13:15 - 3:13:15)
useful.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:15 - 3:13:32)
more comfortable with the idea you know some of the feedback has also been you know what if I forget and I'm out I got a whole month I understand that but it wasn't like we're not we're not like reinventing the wheel here you know this is something that is that we used to do before 2020 actually

[Speaker 5] (3:13:32 - 3:13:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:32 - 3:13:33)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:33 - 3:13:34)
no is before I

[Speaker 5] (3:13:34 - 3:13:34)
I think it

[Speaker 3] (3:13:34 - 3:13:34)
apologize

[Speaker 5] (3:13:34 - 3:13:34)
was sooner

[Speaker 3] (3:13:34 - 3:13:35)
it

[Speaker 5] (3:13:35 - 3:13:35)
than

[Speaker 3] (3:13:35 - 3:13:35)
was before

[Speaker 5] (3:13:35 - 3:13:35)
that.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:36 - 3:13:38)
Every other week is before 2011.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:39 - 3:13:39)
So is that?

[Speaker 1] (3:13:39 - 3:13:41)
I think everyone's in agreement if I'm listening.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:41 - 3:13:42)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:42 - 3:13:42)
It's just the timing.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:42 - 3:13:43)
It's a question of timing.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Yeah

[Speaker 3] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Timing.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:43 - 3:13:43)
Timing.

[Speaker 2] (3:13:43 - 3:13:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:44 - 3:13:44)
You're yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:13:44 - 3:13:45)
So what's the timing?

[Speaker 6] (3:13:45 - 3:13:46)
January?

[Speaker 5] (3:13:46 - 3:13:47)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:48 - 3:13:49)
Do you want to make that?

[Speaker 6] (3:13:49 - 3:13:54)
So I'm going to make a motion that we go to every other week recycling beginning January 1.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:55 - 3:13:56)
Second.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:56 - 3:13:56)
Is there a second?

[Speaker 3] (3:14:01 - 3:14:04)
I'd like to, I'd like not to necessarily lock that date in. I

[Speaker 6] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04)
would like,

[Speaker 6] (3:14:04 - 3:14:04)
my God.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:04 - 3:14:07)
I would like to hold on,

[Speaker 3] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
hold on, hold on.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:07 - 3:14:10)
So then are you going to make the motion? Or are you going to admit?

[Speaker 6] (3:14:10 - 3:14:13)
Well, my motion's on the floor, so if nobody's going to second it.

[Speaker 2] (3:14:13 - 3:14:17)
Why is not that a good date?

[Speaker 2] (3:14:17 - 3:14:20)
Pretend that was good English. Why is that not prorated, something like that?

[Speaker 3] (3:14:20 - 3:14:23)
I'm actually okay with I'm okay with the date I guess as

[Speaker 6] (3:14:23 - 3:14:24)
Okay, good.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:24 - 3:14:32)
as as the data guy you know I'm like I really want to evaluate how this is going because frankly I though sooner or later I'm okay I'm open with

[Speaker 6] (3:14:32 - 3:14:33)
You're good with

[Speaker 3] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33)
adjustment

[Speaker 6] (3:14:33 - 3:14:33)
the date.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:33 - 3:14:35)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (3:14:36 - 3:14:39)
I'm good as a projected date okay I'll

[Speaker 2] (3:14:39 - 3:14:39)
Second the motion.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:39 - 3:14:40)
second the motion

[Speaker 5] (3:14:42 - 3:14:43)
Okay, so thank

[Speaker 6] (3:14:43 - 3:14:44)
You're the chair,

[Speaker 6] (3:14:44 - 3:14:45)
ask all in favor.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:45 - 3:14:45)
you.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:45 - 3:14:46)
Wayne,

[Speaker 5] (3:14:46 - 3:14:47)
all in favor?

[Speaker 5] (3:14:47 - 3:14:48)
No roll call.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:48 - 3:14:48)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (3:14:48 - 3:14:48)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:48 - 3:14:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:14:49 - 3:14:49)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:49 - 3:14:50)
I'm a no.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:50 - 3:14:51)
Danielle is a no.

[Speaker 3] (3:14:52 - 3:14:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:52 - 3:14:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:14:55 - 3:14:56)
On to the next.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:56 - 3:15:06)
So just so I'm clear, we will get additional information will be on the agenda for the 21st earlier in the night to talk about the pricing and finalize

[Speaker 5] (3:15:06 - 3:15:06)
Barrel pricing.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:07 - 3:15:09)
Barrel pricing on both recycling and.

[Speaker 5] (3:15:10 - 3:15:10)
Trash.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:10 - 3:15:16)
With the starting point being where it was presented that we'll gather the data as

[Speaker 5] (3:15:16 - 3:15:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:16 - 3:15:16)
a

[Speaker 6] (3:15:16 - 3:15:21)
But people should know that if they feel they need to order an additional barrel, the only other question...

[Speaker 6] (3:15:21 - 3:15:35)
The only question I have is um what happens if you have people who don't necessarily want a ninety five gallon is it ninety five gallon recycling and they want like a sixty two gallon recycling. Is that a possibility

[Speaker 3] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35)
No.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35)
or no?

[Speaker 5] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35)
No.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:35 - 3:15:36)
It's very

[Speaker 6] (3:15:36 - 3:15:37)
All right so you want go it's

[Speaker 1] (3:15:37 - 3:15:37)
the smaller barrel

[Speaker 6] (3:15:37 - 3:15:38)
go bigger go

[Speaker 1] (3:15:38 - 3:15:38)
back.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:38 - 3:15:38)
home?

[Speaker 1] (3:15:38 - 3:15:39)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:39 - 3:15:39)
Alright.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40)
For

[Speaker 1] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40)
Re

[Speaker 3] (3:15:40 - 3:15:40)
what?

[Speaker 1] (3:15:40 - 3:15:41)
re

[Speaker 2] (3:15:41 - 3:15:41)
The second

[Speaker 5] (3:15:41 - 3:15:41)
Recycling?

[Speaker 2] (3:15:41 - 3:15:41)
barrel?

[Speaker 6] (3:15:41 - 3:15:42)
For the recycling,

[Speaker 5] (3:15:42 - 3:15:43)
For

[Speaker 6] (3:15:43 - 3:15:44)
the second recycling barrel.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:44 - 3:15:44)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:44 - 3:15:50)
From an inventory standpoint, we want to manage this so that we are supporting individuals who need the smaller barrel.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:50 - 3:15:51)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:52 - 3:15:54)
But we just want to keep this as

[Speaker 2] (3:15:54 - 3:15:54)
That's not over.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:54 - 3:15:55)
possible to...

[Speaker 2] (3:15:55 - 3:15:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:15:55 - 3:15:55)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:15:55 - 3:15:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:15:56 - 3:15:57)
Okay, so.

[Speaker 1] (3:15:58 - 3:15:59)
So, sorry, go ahead.

[Speaker 5] (3:15:59 - 3:16:00)
No, what were you gonna say?

[Speaker 1] (3:16:00 - 3:16:02)
I was, I want to introduce the next item for you.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:02 - 3:16:03)
Okay, platform RFP.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:04 - 3:16:09)
So just so folks understand how we've listed the items this way, and this will allow us to,

[Speaker 1] (3:16:09 - 3:16:11)
I saw you looking at the clock just now, Mariel,

[Speaker 1] (3:16:12 - 3:16:12)
it'll allow

[Speaker 5] (3:16:12 - 3:16:12)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:12 - 3:16:13)
us to figure out

[Speaker 5] (3:16:13 - 3:16:14)
You caught me.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:14 - 3:16:18)
how you'd like to move forward with this. But these were the nine items that you as a group all identified at the last meeting,

[Speaker 1] (3:16:19 - 3:16:23)
things that were really decision points or deliberative points that you wanted to make sure we talked.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:22 - 3:16:32)
We talked about so we've listed them this way so anyone can conceivably come to public meeting and say You know I know that you're talking about number one or you didn't get to number one last week Or it's number three

[Speaker 1] (3:16:33 - 3:16:38)
So people sort of understand where you are in the process of going through the items that you identified for deliberation

[Speaker 5] (3:16:39 - 3:16:40)
Very logical setup.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:40 - 3:16:42)
Thank you for doing that, Nick.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:43 - 3:16:46)
So your idea is that we're going to take, you know.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:47 - 3:16:53)
each case right um week by week so the first so we would discuss lease versus sale this week right?

[Speaker 1] (3:16:53 - 3:16:54)
Potentially.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:54 - 3:16:54)
That one pillar?

[Speaker 1] (3:16:54 - 3:16:55)
That that was how we had set

[Speaker 5] (3:16:55 - 3:16:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:16:55 - 3:16:57)
it up this way just based on how we had talked about it.

[Speaker 5] (3:16:57 - 3:16:57)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:16:57 - 3:16:58)
How

[Speaker 1] (3:16:58 - 3:16:58)
right. Happy

[Speaker 2] (3:16:58 - 3:16:58)
many

[Speaker 1] (3:16:58 - 3:16:59)
to take feedback and change.

[Speaker 2] (3:16:59 - 3:17:01)
How many different discussion points did we identify?

[Speaker 6] (3:17:01 - 3:17:01)
Nine.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:01 - 3:17:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:01 - 3:17:01)
Nine.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:01 - 3:17:02)
Total?

[Speaker 5] (3:17:02 - 3:17:03)
Well they're right here.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:03 - 3:17:03)
It was

[Speaker 2] (3:17:03 - 3:17:03)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:17:03 - 3:17:03)
thir

[Speaker 2] (3:17:03 - 3:17:05)
see them on here, but is it all of them?

[Speaker 1] (3:17:05 - 3:17:06)
Yeah, yeah, I think

[Speaker 2] (3:17:06 - 3:17:06)
Oh okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:06 - 3:17:10)
at the end of the discussion you were talking about trying to find a tenth and I don't think we had arrived at a tenth.

[Speaker 6] (3:17:10 - 3:17:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:10 - 3:17:12)
There there would be for deliberation there certainly

[Speaker 1] (3:17:13 - 3:17:17)
Things that fall under this that will lead you all to your final determinations, but

[Speaker 5] (3:17:17 - 3:17:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:17 - 3:17:18)
these

[Speaker 2] (3:17:18 - 3:17:18)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:18 - 3:17:19)
are the high level

[Speaker 2] (3:17:19 - 3:17:19)
I'd

[Speaker 1] (3:17:19 - 3:17:21)
topics that you and I as a group identified.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:21 - 3:17:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:17:22 - 3:17:23)
If that makes sense.

[Speaker 2] (3:17:23 - 3:17:24)
I really want to

[Speaker 6] (3:17:24 - 3:17:34)
So can you just describe like what it means lease versus sale you're going to grade somebody you the idea is to grade a prospect versus

[Speaker 1] (3:17:34 - 3:17:35)
If I remember,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:35 - 3:17:37)
if I recall the conversation you all had correctly,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:37 - 3:17:39)
it was really not even about, this wasn't about the RFP.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:40 - 3:17:41)
This was as a foundational decision.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:42 - 3:17:42)
Are

[Speaker 5] (3:17:42 - 3:17:43)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:43 - 3:17:45)
we seeking a long-term lease or are we talking

[Speaker 2] (3:17:45 - 3:17:45)
about Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:45 - 3:17:45)
the sale?

[Speaker 6] (3:17:45 - 3:17:46)
All right, great.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:46 - 3:17:48)
And so if it's something that there's a quick discussion,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:48 - 3:17:50)
obviously we can continue to move down. But,

[Speaker 2] (3:17:50 - 3:17:52)
Do you want to do like a rapid fire?

[Speaker 1] (3:17:53 - 3:17:53)
well,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:53 - 3:17:54)
ideally you'd

[Speaker 5] (3:17:54 - 3:17:54)
A

[Speaker 1] (3:17:54 - 3:17:54)
spend a little

[Speaker 5] (3:17:54 - 3:17:54)
couple?

[Speaker 1] (3:17:54 - 3:17:55)
time thinking about it and,

[Speaker 5] (3:17:55 - 3:17:56)
I think a straw

[Speaker 1] (3:17:56 - 3:17:56)
you

[Speaker 5] (3:17:56 - 3:17:57)
pole might make sense.

[Speaker 1] (3:17:57 - 3:17:57)
know, if,

[Speaker 1] (3:17:57 - 3:17:58)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:17:58 - 3:18:01)
For these year days are we rating it on a scale?

[Speaker 5] (3:18:01 - 3:18:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:18:02 - 3:18:02)
These

[Speaker 5] (3:18:02 - 3:18:02)
you're not.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:02 - 3:18:04)
are decisions that you all need to make in order for us to

[Speaker 2] (3:18:04 - 3:18:05)
separate right

[Speaker 1] (3:18:05 - 3:18:06)
be able to write an RFP.

[Speaker 6] (3:18:06 - 3:18:07)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:07 - 3:18:10)
like separate from the rubric this will help guide how the guide rubric

[Speaker 5] (3:18:10 - 3:18:10)
how

[Speaker 2] (3:18:10 - 3:18:10)
is

[Speaker 5] (3:18:10 - 3:18:10)
it's

[Speaker 2] (3:18:10 - 3:18:10)
built

[Speaker 5] (3:18:10 - 3:18:11)
written.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:11 - 3:18:11)
and

[Speaker 5] (3:18:11 - 3:18:11)
For

[Speaker 2] (3:18:11 - 3:18:14)
how the RFP seeks out a respondent

[Speaker 5] (3:18:14 - 3:18:17)
example, least first sale is probably the easiest one, right?

[Speaker 5] (3:18:17 - 3:18:18)
For most people.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:19 - 3:18:19)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:18:19 - 3:18:19)
Yeah, I mean,

[Speaker 5] (3:18:19 - 3:18:20)
the first

[Speaker 1] (3:18:20 - 3:18:20)
in

[Speaker 5] (3:18:20 - 3:18:20)
one I'm going to guess.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:20 - 3:18:24)
the case of Hadley and Pine Street, where if they're long-term,

[Speaker 5] (3:18:24 - 3:18:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:24 - 3:18:24)
they're least...

[Speaker 1] (3:18:24 - 3:18:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:24 - 3:18:26)
they're at least the land development agreements that

[Speaker 1] (3:18:26 - 3:18:26)
As

[Speaker 2] (3:18:26 - 3:18:26)
are at least

[Speaker 1] (3:18:26 - 3:18:27)
opposed to selling

[Speaker 3] (3:18:27 - 3:18:29)
Yes, some of these are easy decisions. Some of them are more

[Speaker 2] (3:18:29 - 3:18:29)
as opposed

[Speaker 3] (3:18:29 - 3:18:29)
nuanced

[Speaker 2] (3:18:29 - 3:18:29)
to disposing

[Speaker 3] (3:18:29 - 3:18:30)
than others,

[Speaker 2] (3:18:30 - 3:18:30)
of the property.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:30 - 3:18:30)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:30 - 3:18:30)
you know.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:30 - 3:18:30)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (3:18:31 - 3:18:31)
but

[Speaker 3] (3:18:31 - 3:18:31)
That's why

[Speaker 4] (3:18:31 - 3:18:32)
some of them are,

[Speaker 4] (3:18:32 - 3:18:34)
I would think, relatively easier.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:34 - 3:18:42)
So I think it makes sense to take a straw poll of each one to understand which ones we're gonna really drill down into and others that we're not going to need to take as much time.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:42 - 3:18:42)
That's fair.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:42 - 3:18:43)
That's a good idea.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:43 - 3:18:44)
Everybody look at it.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:45 - 3:18:51)
So for me, I'll start off Lisa versus sale. Uh I tend to I would lean heavily towards lease.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:51 - 3:18:58)
Right, I'm not I'm not in favour off the top of my head of selling the whole parcel of land. Or subdividing

[Speaker 3] (3:18:58 - 3:18:58)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:58 - 3:19:00)
it and selling even pieces of it.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:00 - 3:19:02)
Right, I'm of

[Speaker 3] (3:19:02 - 3:19:02)
the Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:02 - 3:19:04)
mindset that the town should retain ownership.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:06 - 3:19:08)
Barring some astronomical amazing thing

[Speaker 1] (3:19:08 - 3:19:08)
Right,

[Speaker 5] (3:19:08 - 3:19:09)
happening, I

[Speaker 1] (3:19:09 - 3:19:09)
right.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:09 - 3:19:09)
am totally

[Speaker 1] (3:19:09 - 3:19:10)
Now,

[Speaker 5] (3:19:10 - 3:19:10)
agreed.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:10 - 3:19:12)
I won't rule anything out, but that's where I would lean,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:12 - 3:19:12)
right?

[Speaker 5] (3:19:12 - 3:19:13)
Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:13 - 3:19:20)
I uh fully agree it uh it it should be retaint the ownership it should be retained in perpetuity should be leased for

[Speaker 1] (3:19:21 - 3:19:21)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:21 - 3:19:24)
um thirty six year ninety nine year lease.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:25 - 3:19:27)
Do we want to run down these quickly and just

[Speaker 2] (3:19:27 - 3:19:27)
You

[Speaker 1] (3:19:27 - 3:19:27)
go

[Speaker 2] (3:19:27 - 3:19:28)
can. That'll

[Speaker 3] (3:19:28 - 3:19:28)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:28 - 3:19:28)
help us plan if

[Speaker 6] (3:19:28 - 3:19:29)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (3:19:29 - 3:19:29)
you

[Speaker 6] (3:19:29 - 3:19:29)
want in agreement.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:29 - 3:19:29)
your...

[Speaker 6] (3:19:29 - 3:19:30)
I'm in agreement. I

[Speaker 3] (3:19:30 - 3:19:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:30 - 3:19:33)
I I have no desire to sell that property.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:33 - 3:19:35)
Okay. Residential use.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:35 - 3:19:38)
This is probably going to be a more difficult conversation.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:39 - 3:19:40)
Or not.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:40 - 3:19:40)
Maybe

[Speaker 2] (3:19:40 - 3:19:40)
If it's

[Speaker 1] (3:19:40 - 3:19:41)
it's not.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:41 - 3:19:45)
something where you all think that you don't want to necessarily go into a straw poll and

[Speaker 1] (3:19:45 - 3:19:45)
We

[Speaker 2] (3:19:45 - 3:19:45)
be,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:45 - 3:19:46)
could potentially skip,

[Speaker 2] (3:19:46 - 3:19:46)
it can

[Speaker 1] (3:19:46 - 3:19:46)
right?

[Speaker 2] (3:19:46 - 3:19:50)
just be this is one that we know there's going to be a deeper discussion at some point, if that's how you want

[Speaker 5] (3:19:50 - 3:19:50)
Is

[Speaker 2] (3:19:50 - 3:19:50)
to do

[Speaker 5] (3:19:50 - 3:19:50)
there

[Speaker 2] (3:19:50 - 3:19:51)
it.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:51 - 3:19:52)
going to be deep well I think

[Speaker 1] (3:19:52 - 3:19:53)
Well, give it a shot.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:53 - 3:19:54)
Let's just go down and just express

[Speaker 1] (3:19:54 - 3:19:55)
Let's go down. Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:55 - 3:19:55)
what our opinions

[Speaker 6] (3:19:55 - 3:19:56)
All right, I'll start.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:56 - 3:19:57)
So residential.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:57 - 3:19:57)
Hold on.

[Speaker 7] (3:19:57 - 3:20:01)
Yeah, did you make a decision whether you wanted or the other three?

[Speaker 5] (3:20:02 - 3:20:02)
Whether I wanted what?

[Speaker 2] (3:20:03 - 3:20:04)
Leaf versus sale.

[Speaker 7] (3:20:04 - 3:20:05)
What was it?

[Speaker 5] (3:20:05 - 3:20:05)
Oh, I

[Speaker 1] (3:20:05 - 3:20:06)
He said

[Speaker 5] (3:20:06 - 3:20:06)
have

[Speaker 1] (3:20:06 - 3:20:06)
lease.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:06 - 3:20:08)
a strong preference to lease.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:08 - 3:20:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:20:08 - 3:20:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:09 - 3:20:11)
Okay, residential use, Marilyn.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:11 - 3:20:18)
I am against residential completely for a number of reasons, but mostly parking and being

[Speaker 1] (3:20:18 - 3:20:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:20:19 - 3:20:20)
too crowded.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:20 - 3:20:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:22 - 3:20:23)
To that Wayne?

[Speaker 3] (3:20:23 - 3:20:24)
I just go

[Speaker 1] (3:20:24 - 3:20:24)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:24 - 3:20:24)
ahead.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:24 - 3:20:24)
me.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:24 - 3:20:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:24 - 3:20:27)
So I'm not I'm not against residential entirely.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:29 - 3:20:34)
I'm not I'm not against it because I'm not convinced that we can finance it or a developer would be able to.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:35 - 3:20:42)
finance it logically without a very small portion of residential, but I'm not entirely for it either, so I I don't know what you'd call it.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:42 - 3:20:46)
I am in complete agreement. I it is my preference to not have residential there.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:46 - 3:20:55)
It is my strong preference not residential there, but if someone has a gangbusters idea and they need residential as a component to help make the awesome idea work,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:55 - 3:20:55)
Make Rivers work.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:55 - 3:20:57)
I would be open to considering it,

[Speaker 1] (3:20:57 - 3:20:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:20:57 - 3:20:59)
but it is not my preference under any way shape or form.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:00 - 3:21:02)
I am absolutely against residential.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:02 - 3:21:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:02 - 3:21:09)
Just philosophically it was not the intent when we purchased the property at all.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:09 - 3:21:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:11 - 3:21:17)
And I still over the last 15 years of seeing that entire Humphrey Street developed,

[Speaker 3] (3:21:18 - 3:21:23)
watching residential go up as opposed to something for public use,

[Speaker 3] (3:21:23 - 3:21:24)
no.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:25 - 3:21:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:26 - 3:21:27)
Open space proportion,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:28 - 3:21:28)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:30 - 3:21:30)
What?

[Speaker 2] (3:21:30 - 3:21:31)
I think this is a...

[Speaker 3] (3:21:31 - 3:21:32)
To give a little context,

[Speaker 3] (3:21:32 - 3:21:33)
this was the idea.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:34 - 3:21:38)
I want to say it was Katie had at one point said like a third a third a third if you were saying

[Speaker 5] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
Six.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:38 - 3:21:39)
parking, develop

[Speaker 1] (3:21:39 - 3:21:39)
Um

[Speaker 2] (3:21:39 - 3:21:41)
some open space type of thing.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:41 - 3:21:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:41 - 3:21:43)
Is and again

[Speaker 1] (3:21:43 - 3:21:43)
We

[Speaker 2] (3:21:43 - 3:21:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:43 - 3:21:44)
could probably s

[Speaker 2] (3:21:44 - 3:21:47)
We don't I don't want you all to feel like you need to give direct feedback on all of these

[Speaker 1] (3:21:47 - 3:21:48)
Maybe we don't have direct feedback

[Speaker 2] (3:21:48 - 3:21:49)
in the ten

[Speaker 1] (3:21:49 - 3:21:50)
on this one. I don't get that

[Speaker 2] (3:21:50 - 3:21:50)
I I let's let's

[Speaker 1] (3:21:50 - 3:21:51)
see it be

[Speaker 2] (3:21:51 - 3:21:51)
this this

[Speaker 1] (3:21:51 - 3:21:51)
my

[Speaker 2] (3:21:51 - 3:21:52)
let's this be a

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
about

[Speaker 2] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
a

[Speaker 7] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
the back

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
much it.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
of that one.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:52 - 3:21:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:52 - 3:21:53)
deeper conversation.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:53 - 3:21:53)
About that one.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:54 - 3:21:55)
Municipal parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:56 - 3:21:57)
Mary Ellen, anything?

[Speaker 6] (3:21:57 - 3:21:59)
No, I don't see how there,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:59 - 3:22:08)
I don't see how it can be used for municipal parking. I think that whoever's going to be using that lot for commerce or whatever,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:08 - 3:22:10)
they need the parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:11 - 3:22:19)
Okay, and I'm of the mindset that parking is the number one biggest problem in this town and we have to somehow figure out or give somebody an edge that can give us some clue.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:20 - 3:22:22)
about how to have municipal parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:22 - 3:22:27)
I don't care if we pay for it. I don't care where it's by the hour. I think parking somehow has to happen there.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:27 - 3:22:30)
I don't know how, but I don't know what that looks like per se,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:30 - 3:22:34)
but I think it's something that has to be discussed for that piece.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:35 - 3:22:36)
Ted?

[Speaker 5] (3:22:37 - 3:22:41)
I would, I agree with you on thinking that's one of the number one issues in town.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:42 - 3:22:43)
I have a

[Speaker 5] (3:22:44 - 3:22:49)
I would look more favorably on an application that had some incorporation of public municipal parking.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:50 - 3:22:51)
some component. But again,

[Speaker 6] (3:22:51 - 3:22:52)
Right. And I mean, what?

[Speaker 5] (3:22:52 - 3:22:55)
like I'm going to give probably the same answer to almost everything,

[Speaker 5] (3:22:55 - 3:22:58)
but barring an awesome idea that proves otherwise,

[Speaker 5] (3:22:58 - 3:23:01)
I would prefer municipal parking be incorporated to some extent.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:01 - 3:23:03)
So when we're talking about municipal parking,

[Speaker 3] (3:23:03 - 3:23:05)
we're talking about for general use for

[Speaker 6] (3:23:05 - 3:23:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:05 - 3:23:07)
the entire business district?

[Speaker 5] (3:23:07 - 3:23:08)
For anybody.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:08 - 3:23:13)
Right. So if you have a business there and you're trying to make a viable business and anybody parks there.

[Speaker 3] (3:23:13 - 3:23:14)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (3:23:14 - 3:23:14)
I'm just saying...

[Speaker 6] (3:23:14 - 3:23:15)
Yes, that's

[Speaker 4] (3:23:15 - 3:23:33)
were those businesses whereas you know these parking spots are reserved for the let's just say there's six businesses in this property right and we decided to go to a balance between open space and business whatever that ends up being which I think that's a part of the separate conversation but assuming that we do

[Speaker 5] (3:23:33 - 3:23:37)
I would prefer to see that limited to the businesses that

[Speaker 1] (3:23:37 - 3:23:38)
That lease there.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:38 - 3:23:41)
are being serviced there as opposed to wide open municipal parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:41 - 3:23:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:41 - 3:23:49)
I agree we have a parking problem, but if I had to grade it, it it's honestly one of my it's on my lower priority list

[Speaker 1] (3:23:49 - 3:23:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:49 - 3:23:51)
compared to the other pieces.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:51 - 3:23:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:52 - 3:23:54)
All right. That's good feedback.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:55 - 3:23:58)
Building reuse versus demolition. Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 6] (3:23:59 - 3:24:07)
Well, I think that that has to be up for I think that has to just be up for full discussion as far as what the return is on

[Speaker 1] (3:24:07 - 3:24:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:24:08 - 3:24:09)
the space. I think that's a big discussion.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:11 - 3:24:15)
Um, I am of the mindset that it should probably be demolished.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:16 - 3:24:17)
I cannot,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:17 - 3:24:31)
I don't know, but I don't know because I'm kind of a Ted mindset of maybe someone will come in with some proposal that has some really great ideas for the space, you know, so I'm not sold that it has to be, but I, the way it looks right now, I can't see,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:31 - 3:24:33)
I can't see it. But maybe.

[Speaker 6] (3:24:33 - 3:24:35)
I think the one thing I just want to add to mine,

[Speaker 6] (3:24:35 - 3:24:40)
if that building is demolished, I think everyone needs to really understand the loss of space.

[Speaker 6] (3:24:41 - 3:24:45)
we lose on that property it is very significant.

[Speaker 6] (3:24:45 - 3:24:46)
So I think

[Speaker 3] (3:24:46 - 3:24:46)
In

[Speaker 6] (3:24:46 - 3:24:46)
we

[Speaker 3] (3:24:46 - 3:24:46)
terms

[Speaker 6] (3:24:46 - 3:24:46)
should

[Speaker 3] (3:24:46 - 3:24:48)
of a future building and

[Speaker 1] (3:24:48 - 3:24:49)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:49 - 3:24:53)
in terms of you that site use in terms of setbacks for

[Speaker 3] (3:24:53 - 3:24:57)
But if that area was open public landscaped park,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:57 - 3:24:57)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:24:57 - 3:24:58)
then

[Speaker 1] (3:24:58 - 3:24:58)
It

[Speaker 3] (3:24:58 - 3:24:59)
what's

[Speaker 1] (3:24:59 - 3:24:59)
wouldn't

[Speaker 3] (3:24:59 - 3:24:59)
the difference?

[Speaker 1] (3:24:59 - 3:24:59)
matter.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:59 - 3:25:00)
Because part of that building

[Speaker 5] (3:25:01 - 3:25:05)
From what I have understood, part of that building's foundation is built into the

[Speaker 1] (3:25:05 - 3:25:05)
Into w

[Speaker 5] (3:25:05 - 3:25:19)
into the stone into what looks like natural stone is supporting part of the building's foundation. So if the building comes down, some of that foundation's going to have to come down as well. And it's we're not it's not what you see right now. What you see right now looks like part of the wall,

[Speaker 5] (3:25:19 - 3:25:20)
but part of that is going to come down with the building.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:21 - 3:25:23)
Oh, well we would need to know So that. That's

[Speaker 6] (3:25:23 - 3:25:23)
you lose

[Speaker 1] (3:25:23 - 3:25:24)
necessary.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:24 - 3:25:26)
all that space and

[Speaker 4] (3:25:26 - 3:25:27)
And I don't know how

[Speaker 6] (3:25:27 - 3:25:27)
then

[Speaker 4] (3:25:27 - 3:25:27)
much.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:27 - 3:25:28)
you have to come

[Speaker 1] (3:25:28 - 3:25:28)
We need to

[Speaker 6] (3:25:28 - 3:25:28)
in

[Speaker 1] (3:25:28 - 3:25:29)
say

[Speaker 6] (3:25:29 - 3:25:31)
more. and you have to come in more. You have to come in more.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:32 - 3:25:35)
And you'll you'll never be able to build out on that again.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:35 - 3:25:36)
In fact, those are

[Speaker 1] (3:25:36 - 3:25:36)
That's

[Speaker 6] (3:25:36 - 3:25:36)
just you

[Speaker 1] (3:25:36 - 3:25:36)
something you

[Speaker 6] (3:25:36 - 3:25:37)
just have

[Speaker 1] (3:25:37 - 3:25:37)
might

[Speaker 6] (3:25:37 - 3:25:39)
to look at all the facts You just have to get all the all the facts in front of you

[Speaker 5] (3:25:39 - 3:25:49)
Yeah, right and then there's the chapter chapter 90 the public access to the waterway stuff that if the building comes down we have to incorporate that It's not the end of the world. I mean that's perfectly fine,

[Speaker 3] (3:25:49 - 3:25:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:49 - 3:25:52)
but it's an additional regulatory barrier that we will have to

[Speaker 5] (3:25:53 - 3:25:55)
Navigate that we don't have to navigate right

[Speaker 1] (3:25:55 - 3:25:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:55 - 3:25:55)
now

[Speaker 2] (3:25:55 - 3:25:57)
Uh, chapter navigate waterways, uh

[Speaker 5] (3:25:57 - 3:25:58)
Yes. Yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:25:58 - 3:25:58)
there.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:59 - 3:26:03)
Depending on the reuse I think chapter nine could be implicated anyway,

[Speaker 2] (3:26:03 - 3:26:05)
even if it was kept.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:05 - 3:26:06)
But that's uh

[Speaker 1] (3:26:06 - 3:26:07)
I mean what if

[Speaker 2] (3:26:07 - 3:26:07)
we're problem

[Speaker 1] (3:26:07 - 3:26:07)
to take

[Speaker 2] (3:26:07 - 3:26:08)
with a

[Speaker 1] (3:26:08 - 3:26:08)
down

[Speaker 2] (3:26:08 - 3:26:08)
featured

[Speaker 1] (3:26:08 - 3:26:08)
the

[Speaker 2] (3:26:08 - 3:26:08)
building? developer, not for

[Speaker 5] (3:26:08 - 3:26:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:09 - 3:26:14)
What if we're to take down the building and just build other building? Or they're supposed, they put

[Speaker 6] (3:26:14 - 3:26:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:14 - 3:26:15)
it in a different spot.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:15 - 3:26:21)
But but you so what you want to do is you just want to look at your whole makeup You want to get the whole map there so you see exactly how much space

[Speaker 1] (3:26:21 - 3:26:21)
Yeah, we

[Speaker 6] (3:26:21 - 3:26:21)
you're need gonna

[Speaker 1] (3:26:21 - 3:26:23)
to know how much so that's a key.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:23 - 3:26:24)
This is what we're coming back to for sure

[Speaker 1] (3:26:24 - 3:26:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:24 - 3:26:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:26:25 - 3:26:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:25 - 3:26:25)
exactly

[Speaker 1] (3:26:25 - 3:26:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:26:25 - 3:26:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:25 - 3:26:26)
you can you

[Speaker 3] (3:26:26 - 3:26:26)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:26:26 - 3:26:27)
can just make sure

[Speaker 1] (3:26:27 - 3:26:29)
We need all the factors here.

[Speaker 3] (3:26:29 - 3:26:30)
I am

[Speaker 4] (3:26:33 - 3:26:40)
I am willing to hear multiple if we had to put on an RFP I would like to see a contingency plan with what could they do with the existing building?

[Speaker 1] (3:26:40 - 3:26:41)
Yes, me I'm too.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:41 - 3:26:42)
not saying

[Speaker 3] (3:26:42 - 3:26:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:42 - 3:26:47)
it's not to me. It's not all or nothing Is there part of parts of the building that can be saved?

[Speaker 4] (3:26:47 - 3:26:48)
I mean I've talked

[Speaker 3] (3:26:49 - 3:26:55)
You know, I've had so many m different multiple conversations. Some people have said you know it's actually more expensive to try to rehab the building than it is to take it down

[Speaker 1] (3:26:55 - 3:26:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:26:56 - 3:26:57)
and put it back up, you need to keep the foundation.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:57 - 3:26:57)
It

[Speaker 5] (3:26:57 - 3:26:58)
Let's

[Speaker 1] (3:26:58 - 3:26:58)
makes

[Speaker 5] (3:26:58 - 3:26:59)
get the developers to tell us which is

[Speaker 3] (3:26:59 - 3:27:03)
Yeah, and so so I'm more inclined to go down that route which is

[Speaker 6] (3:27:03 - 3:27:03)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:03 - 3:27:05)
leave it as an a potential

[Speaker 6] (3:27:05 - 3:27:05)
An open.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:05 - 3:27:06)
open option,

[Speaker 3] (3:27:07 - 3:27:13)
but the bigger point is how do we integrate that into usefulness for the community itself.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:13 - 3:27:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:13 - 3:27:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:13 - 3:27:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:14 - 3:27:14)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:14 - 3:27:15)
Do you think that the

[Speaker 2] (3:27:16 - 3:27:19)
I do think this will be something that you all will need to spend more time on. Obviously,

[Speaker 6] (3:27:19 - 3:27:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:19 - 3:27:20)
we need more information,

[Speaker 6] (3:27:20 - 3:27:20)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:20 - 3:27:25)
but in terms of writing the RFP, and this gets into the rubric question, which is like, what

[Speaker 6] (3:27:25 - 3:27:26)
How do you weigh it?

[Speaker 2] (3:27:26 - 3:27:28)
are we weighing as more beneficial?

[Speaker 6] (3:27:29 - 3:27:29)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:29 - 3:27:31)
Because we can't just say we would like to see both.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:31 - 3:27:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:32 - 3:27:34)
It's got to be one, one.

[Speaker 3] (3:27:34 - 3:27:34)
I mean...

[Speaker 6] (3:27:34 - 3:27:36)
I don't think we can say which

[Speaker 1] (3:27:36 - 3:27:36)
I don't

[Speaker 6] (3:27:36 - 3:27:36)
one is

[Speaker 1] (3:27:36 - 3:27:36)
think we

[Speaker 6] (3:27:36 - 3:27:36)
more

[Speaker 1] (3:27:36 - 3:27:37)
can say

[Speaker 6] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37)
beneficial.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37)
either.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:38 - 3:27:38)
Can we leave

[Speaker 6] (3:27:38 - 3:27:39)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:27:39 - 3:27:39)
it open

[Speaker 6] (3:27:39 - 3:27:39)
hard to

[Speaker 1] (3:27:39 - 3:27:39)
-ended

[Speaker 6] (3:27:39 - 3:27:39)
say.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:39 - 3:27:39)
like that?

[Speaker 1] (3:27:40 - 3:27:41)
I think we have to

[Speaker 2] (3:27:41 - 3:27:44)
I'm not we have to explain how we're scoring it

[Speaker 5] (3:27:44 - 3:27:44)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:27:44 - 3:27:44)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:44 - 3:27:48)
So if it could be as simple as like.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:50 - 3:27:50)
Sorry,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:51 - 3:27:51)
I spoke before I It thought of

[Speaker 2] (3:27:51 - 3:27:52)
could be you. a preference we're for adaptive

[Speaker 4] (3:27:52 - 3:27:54)
looking at reuse. this from a very 40,000 viewpoint.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:54 - 3:27:57)
We're just trying to sort out what's the ones that are going to – it's

[Speaker 2] (3:27:57 - 3:27:57)
This is

[Speaker 4] (3:27:57 - 3:27:57)
kind of already –

[Speaker 2] (3:27:57 - 3:27:58)
that's

[Speaker 4] (3:27:58 - 3:27:58)
we know

[Speaker 2] (3:27:58 - 3:27:58)
what we have

[Speaker 4] (3:27:58 - 3:27:58)
it

[Speaker 2] (3:27:58 - 3:27:59)
to comes come back to.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:59 - 3:27:59)
into accords.

[Speaker 6] (3:27:59 - 3:28:01)
Yeah, let's just come back.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:01 - 3:28:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:28:01 - 3:28:02)
It's 10 o'clock. Let's

[Speaker 5] (3:28:02 - 3:28:02)
But

[Speaker 6] (3:28:02 - 3:28:02)
go we back.

[Speaker 5] (3:28:02 - 3:28:05)
should have another 30,000 foot, and in the next conversation we can align

[Speaker 6] (3:28:05 - 3:28:05)
Drill down.

[Speaker 5] (3:28:05 - 3:28:06)
it more

[Speaker 6] (3:28:06 - 3:28:06)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:28:06 - 3:28:07)
to the rubric and then specify

[Speaker 2] (3:28:07 - 3:28:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:28:07 - 3:28:08)
the rubric scoring.

[Speaker 6] (3:28:08 - 3:28:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:28:09 - 3:28:10)
Environmental standards.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:10 - 3:28:12)
This, I believe, was related to

[Speaker 2] (3:28:14 - 3:28:17)
Your former colleagues focus on Passive House.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:17 - 3:28:18)
Oh, well.

[Speaker 5] (3:28:19 - 3:28:19)
We have a

[Speaker 4] (3:28:20 - 3:28:20)
We

[Speaker 3] (3:28:20 - 3:28:20)
we

[Speaker 1] (3:28:20 - 3:28:20)
We have

[Speaker 4] (3:28:20 - 3:28:20)
need we

[Speaker 1] (3:28:20 - 3:28:20)
the

[Speaker 3] (3:28:20 - 3:28:21)
we

[Speaker 4] (3:28:21 - 3:28:21)
we have

[Speaker 3] (3:28:21 - 3:28:21)
have

[Speaker 4] (3:28:21 - 3:28:21)
have a

[Speaker 3] (3:28:21 - 3:28:21)
there

[Speaker 1] (3:28:21 - 3:28:21)
a

[Speaker 4] (3:28:21 - 3:28:22)
standard in town.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:22 - 3:28:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:22 - 3:28:23)
we have the

[Speaker 4] (3:28:23 - 3:28:23)
We

[Speaker 1] (3:28:23 - 3:28:23)
specified

[Speaker 4] (3:28:23 - 3:28:23)
already have a standard.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:23 - 3:28:23)
stretch

[Speaker 3] (3:28:23 - 3:28:24)
standard.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
the super

[Speaker 2] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
We're we're we're we're

[Speaker 1] (3:28:24 - 3:28:25)
stretch

[Speaker 2] (3:28:25 - 3:28:25)
whatever the standard

[Speaker 1] (3:28:25 - 3:28:25)
at

[Speaker 2] (3:28:25 - 3:28:26)
existing

[Speaker 1] (3:28:26 - 3:28:26)
this point

[Speaker 2] (3:28:26 - 3:28:27)
standard is,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:27 - 3:28:27)
and

[Speaker 2] (3:28:27 - 3:28:27)
I would

[Speaker 1] (3:28:27 - 3:28:29)
we're one of the few communities in the state that

[Speaker 3] (3:28:29 - 3:28:29)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:29 - 3:28:30)
adopted it already.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:30 - 3:28:34)
Right. So that's really not a question. I I think that one should kind of go away because we would

[Speaker 1] (3:28:34 - 3:28:34)
We're

[Speaker 2] (3:28:34 - 3:28:34)
just

[Speaker 1] (3:28:34 - 3:28:35)
just at the front.

[Speaker 4] (3:28:35 - 3:28:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:36 - 3:28:36)
You know.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:36 - 3:28:40)
I mean plus almost anything that gets done here has to go to the planning board for approval.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:40 - 3:28:40)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (3:28:40 - 3:28:40)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:40 - 3:28:41)
if anything,

[Speaker 2] (3:28:41 - 3:28:41)
And they're going to deal with let that.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:41 - 3:28:44)
me rephrase that, anything that gets done here will have to go

[Speaker 5] (3:28:44 - 3:28:44)
I w w w

[Speaker 3] (3:28:44 - 3:28:44)
by anyway.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:44 - 3:28:45)
So why do we even need that?

[Speaker 5] (3:28:45 - 3:28:45)
I So don't even

[Speaker 3] (3:28:45 - 3:28:45)
environmental

[Speaker 5] (3:28:45 - 3:28:46)
think we should

[Speaker 3] (3:28:46 - 3:28:46)
standards

[Speaker 5] (3:28:46 - 3:28:46)
be allowed to

[Speaker 6] (3:28:46 - 3:28:46)
Was

[Speaker 3] (3:28:46 - 3:28:47)
as well.

[Speaker 5] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
are

[Speaker 6] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
it

[Speaker 5] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
pretty

[Speaker 6] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
the intention

[Speaker 5] (3:28:47 - 3:28:47)
high priority.

[Speaker 6] (3:28:47 - 3:28:56)
to be a s a standard as opposed to some other question that was supposed to be like sustainability in general? I don't know what the intent

[Speaker 2] (3:28:56 - 3:28:57)
Oh wait,

[Speaker 5] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
so

[Speaker 5] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
don't what know what

[Speaker 2] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
is it

[Speaker 5] (3:28:57 - 3:28:57)
is

[Speaker 2] (3:28:57 - 3:28:58)
if somebody

[Speaker 5] (3:28:58 - 3:28:58)
intended.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:58 - 3:29:01)
comes in and says they're going to go above and beyond what our standard is?

[Speaker 2] (3:29:02 - 3:29:03)
Right, or the stretch,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:03 - 3:29:03)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:29:03 - 3:29:05)
the stretch code or something.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:05 - 3:29:11)
think we might be able to just look at this as, do we want environmental resiliency,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:11 - 3:29:12)
energy

[Speaker 2] (3:29:12 - 3:29:12)
To take

[Speaker 3] (3:29:12 - 3:29:12)
efficiency,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:12 - 3:29:13)
like a forefront,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:13 - 3:29:13)
et cetera,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:13 - 3:29:13)
you

[Speaker 3] (3:29:13 - 3:29:17)
on the site and do we know, score things better if they have solar panels on their roof

[Speaker 2] (3:29:17 - 3:29:18)
yeah, I or think,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:18 - 3:29:18)
something.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:18 - 3:29:19)
I think that's,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:19 - 3:29:19)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:19 - 3:29:19)
might

[Speaker 1] (3:29:19 - 3:29:19)
it

[Speaker 2] (3:29:19 - 3:29:20)
be

[Speaker 1] (3:29:20 - 3:29:20)
really

[Speaker 2] (3:29:20 - 3:29:20)
a good point,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:20 - 3:29:23)
is a question of going beyond the stretch code, I think, or the super stretch.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:23 - 3:29:24)
right, right, yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:24 - 3:29:27)
Is it that you want it to be net zero?

[Speaker 2] (3:29:28 - 3:29:28)
It

[Speaker 1] (3:29:28 - 3:29:28)
Never

[Speaker 2] (3:29:28 - 3:29:28)
was not

[Speaker 1] (3:29:28 - 3:29:28)
goes in

[Speaker 2] (3:29:28 - 3:29:29)
at the

[Speaker 1] (3:29:29 - 3:29:29)
there.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:29 - 3:29:29)
top of my list,

[Speaker 6] (3:29:29 - 3:29:31)
It is personally. not on the top of my list,

[Speaker 1] (3:29:31 - 3:29:31)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:29:31 - 3:29:31)
but yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:29:31 - 3:29:32)
I think that's advantage

[Speaker 2] (3:29:32 - 3:29:36)
I wouldn't discount it, I wouldn't negatively weight it, but I just, it's not a priority.

[Speaker 7] (3:29:36 - 3:29:47)
But if it's on there and someone comes in and says that they could be, you know, more environmentally sound above our standards, I would think that that would, you know, get advantage

[Speaker 1] (3:29:47 - 3:29:47)
of that.

[Speaker 7] (3:29:47 - 3:29:48)
to Right. them.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:48 - 3:29:49)
Perhaps gray

[Speaker 6] (3:29:49 - 3:29:49)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:29:49 - 3:29:49)
eyes.

[Speaker 6] (3:29:49 - 3:29:52)
think, you know, what is this message telling the developer?

[Speaker 6] (3:29:52 - 3:29:53)
Is it saying,

[Speaker 6] (3:29:53 - 3:29:54)
hey, we're really...

[Speaker 6] (3:29:54 - 3:29:59)
you know if this if look at this in two extremes and one extreme is if this was the number one thing what

[Speaker 2] (3:29:59 - 3:30:00)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:00 - 3:30:02)
would that be messaging to the developer which

[Speaker 2] (3:30:02 - 3:30:02)
That

[Speaker 6] (3:30:02 - 3:30:02)
is we

[Speaker 2] (3:30:02 - 3:30:03)
sets a different...

[Speaker 6] (3:30:03 - 3:30:05)
want everything you know we want

[Speaker 6] (3:30:06 - 3:30:09)
buildings to be looking in a certain way? Do we want them kind

[Speaker 2] (3:30:09 - 3:30:09)
That's

[Speaker 6] (3:30:09 - 3:30:10)
of fit

[Speaker 2] (3:30:10 - 3:30:10)
our first question.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:10 - 3:30:13)
into the environment as opposed to...

[Speaker 3] (3:30:13 - 3:30:16)
I think this is as simple to me, this is as simple as leave it out of the rubric.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:16 - 3:30:17)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:17 - 3:30:18)
And when you do the narrative about the community,

[Speaker 2] (3:30:18 - 3:30:19)
I you agree.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:19 - 3:30:24)
can say it's 2024, Swampscot adopted the specialized stretch

[Speaker 2] (3:30:24 - 3:30:24)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:24 - 3:30:24)
energy code.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:25 - 3:30:25)
We've been increasing

[Speaker 1] (3:30:25 - 3:30:26)
If anybody

[Speaker 6] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
it every

[Speaker 2] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
If

[Speaker 1] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
has

[Speaker 2] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
you expect

[Speaker 6] (3:30:26 - 3:30:26)
single year.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:26 - 3:30:27)
a serious

[Speaker 2] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
the same,

[Speaker 1] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
community

[Speaker 2] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
I mean,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:27 - 3:30:29)
right period move on

[Speaker 7] (3:30:29 - 3:30:35)
Right, but you're saying you're not looking at that as giving somebody additional points if they go above and beyond

[Speaker 2] (3:30:35 - 3:30:35)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:30:35 - 3:30:37)
what the stretch code is.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:37 - 3:30:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:30:37 - 3:30:37)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:37 - 3:30:37)
no,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:37 - 3:30:37)
The

[Speaker 2] (3:30:37 - 3:30:38)
I stretch already know

[Speaker 3] (3:30:38 - 3:30:38)
code

[Speaker 2] (3:30:38 - 3:30:38)
that.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:38 - 3:30:43)
is we're one of 20 30 municipalities we're in the top 10% of communities for

[Speaker 2] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
That's

[Speaker 3] (3:30:43 - 3:30:43)
adopting

[Speaker 2] (3:30:43 - 3:30:44)
a lot, isn't

[Speaker 3] (3:30:44 - 3:30:44)
this and

[Speaker 2] (3:30:44 - 3:30:44)
it?

[Speaker 3] (3:30:44 - 3:30:47)
my concern about it would be would someone

[Speaker 3] (3:30:48 - 3:31:00)
Downsize the dollar investment they're making in terms of land use development in order to keep their pro forma in line and take those dollars and put it into meeting passive house

[Speaker 6] (3:31:00 - 3:31:00)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:00 - 3:31:01)
or some standard like that.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:02 - 3:31:06)
To me, I would rather have those dollars meet our specialized energy code,

[Speaker 3] (3:31:06 - 3:31:11)
but then use those dollars to invest in other parts of the property outside

[Speaker 2] (3:31:11 - 3:31:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:11 - 3:31:14)
of the excessive standards above what

[Speaker 1] (3:31:14 - 3:31:14)
If we forget

[Speaker 3] (3:31:14 - 3:31:14)
we've already talked

[Speaker 1] (3:31:14 - 3:31:15)
really

[Speaker 3] (3:31:15 - 3:31:15)
about.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:15 - 3:31:15)
in the weeds,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:15 - 3:31:17)
the curves number,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:17 - 3:31:19)
the scoring will be higher by the time we're building, so

[Speaker 3] (3:31:19 - 3:31:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:20 - 3:31:20)
what

[Speaker 2] (3:31:20 - 3:31:20)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:20 - 3:31:20)
we're talking

[Speaker 2] (3:31:20 - 3:31:21)
Of course

[Speaker 1] (3:31:21 - 3:31:21)
about today,

[Speaker 2] (3:31:21 - 3:31:21)
it will. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:21 - 3:31:22)
they're

[Speaker 2] (3:31:22 - 3:31:22)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:31:22 - 3:31:22)
going to have

[Speaker 2] (3:31:22 - 3:31:22)
already

[Speaker 1] (3:31:22 - 3:31:22)
to

[Speaker 2] (3:31:22 - 3:31:22)
been.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:22 - 3:31:23)
exceed

[Speaker 2] (3:31:23 - 3:31:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:23 - 3:31:23)
in the future anyway because

[Speaker 2] (3:31:23 - 3:31:24)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:24 - 3:31:24)
it goes

[Speaker 2] (3:31:24 - 3:31:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:24 - 3:31:25)
up, the state

[Speaker 2] (3:31:25 - 3:31:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:26 - 3:31:27)
and international codes go up.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:27 - 3:31:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:28 - 3:31:28)
A lot.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:28 - 3:31:29)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (3:31:29 - 3:31:30)
so let's go to walkability.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:32 - 3:31:32)
Does that mean?

[Speaker 2] (3:31:32 - 3:31:33)
I don't know

[Speaker 3] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
What

[Speaker 7] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
Maybe

[Speaker 2] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
exactly.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:33 - 3:31:33)
does it mean?

[Speaker 7] (3:31:33 - 3:31:35)
nobody can change where you,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
So,

[Speaker 7] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
it

[Speaker 2] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:31:35 - 3:31:35)
no,

[Speaker 7] (3:31:35 - 3:31:36)
is what it

[Speaker 2] (3:31:36 - 3:31:36)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:31:36 - 3:31:37)
is. I don't think it was about changing it.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:37 - 3:31:40)
On-site walkability, I think, is what Katie's reference was,

[Speaker 3] (3:31:40 - 3:31:41)
was my understanding.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:41 - 3:31:43)
She was taking a lot of these from the study.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:43 - 3:31:46)
I don't really know what that means to be honest, so

[Speaker 1] (3:31:46 - 3:31:46)
From,

[Speaker 2] (3:31:46 - 3:31:46)
we're gonna skip

[Speaker 1] (3:31:46 - 3:31:46)
we

[Speaker 2] (3:31:46 - 3:31:46)
that,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:46 - 3:31:46)
can

[Speaker 2] (3:31:46 - 3:31:47)
but

[Speaker 1] (3:31:47 - 3:31:47)
set that aside.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:47 - 3:31:50)
She talked a lot about being able to get to and from.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:51 - 3:31:52)
I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:52 - 3:31:52)
parts

[Speaker 2] (3:31:52 - 3:31:52)
But okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:52 - 3:31:56)
of the community that are so let's let her articulate it so that I don't

[Speaker 2] (3:31:56 - 3:31:56)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:56 - 3:31:56)
butcher it.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:56 - 3:31:58)
so you don't butcher it. Let's go to streetscape.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:59 - 3:32:01)
What is that, fitting in with the street?

[Speaker 1] (3:32:01 - 3:32:06)
I think that this was part of the discussion with the Reuse

[Speaker 3] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:06 - 3:32:09)
Author any reuse community representatives that were in the room

[Speaker 2] (3:32:09 - 3:32:09)
Streetscape.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:09 - 3:32:17)
Part of my recollection, part of their conversation and what I had heard from committee members was that some of the recommendations had

[Speaker 3] (3:32:18 - 3:32:20)
uh buildings some

[Speaker 7] (3:32:20 - 3:32:20)
On

[Speaker 3] (3:32:20 - 3:32:20)
of them were on

[Speaker 7] (3:32:20 - 3:32:21)
the street.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:21 - 3:32:23)
the street because they wanted it to p provide a feeling

[Speaker 2] (3:32:23 - 3:32:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:24 - 3:32:26)
of what Swampscott used to have before everything got torn down

[Speaker 2] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:26 - 3:32:31)
so many years ago. Um and then others have them set back because they didn't find that as as

[Speaker 2] (3:32:31 - 3:32:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:32 - 3:32:34)
much of a value. I think streetscape is

[Speaker 3] (3:32:34 - 3:32:40)
I think it's a, I think there's merit to considering it. I don't know the standards that I would rate it on, but I

[Speaker 2] (3:32:40 - 3:32:42)
I don't have think any standards I'd rate it on to be honest.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:42 - 3:32:45)
I would need to think about that more because I think there is value in that.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:45 - 3:32:47)
That might be good to come back to so that folks

[Speaker 2] (3:32:47 - 3:32:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:48 - 3:32:51)
can articulate it and then we can try to draft something that reflects the priorities that you all

[Speaker 2] (3:32:51 - 3:32:51)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:51 - 3:32:52)
discuss.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:52 - 3:32:57)
I mean I think it goes in line with the next one which is synergy with hotel commercial corridor,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:57 - 3:33:01)
right? I mean you don't want anything that's going to be sticking out like a sore thumb and doesn't belong.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:01 - 3:33:02)
simple undoing um

[Speaker 6] (3:33:02 - 3:33:02)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:02 - 3:33:09)
but synergy with hotel commercial i mean yeah of course you want something that's going to be complimentary and not you know i

[Speaker 6] (3:33:09 - 3:33:10)
So I,

[Speaker 7] (3:33:10 - 3:33:11)
Complementary, I don't

[Speaker 6] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
you know,

[Speaker 2] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
i

[Speaker 6] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
I asked

[Speaker 2] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
mean

[Speaker 7] (3:33:11 - 3:33:12)
think

[Speaker 6] (3:33:12 - 3:33:12)
that.

[Speaker 7] (3:33:12 - 3:33:18)
this has got to be, I think this is the number, I think this and open space are tied for number one issues.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:18 - 3:33:20)
So, so I had heard

[Speaker 6] (3:33:21 - 3:33:32)
Somewhere down the line, that's why I asked that question everyone's eyes kind of opened up is I didn't think there was going to be a ballroom or a place for a venue for like weddings

[Speaker 3] (3:33:32 - 3:33:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:32 - 3:33:33)
and parties and things like that.

[Speaker 3] (3:33:33 - 3:33:33)
At the hotel?

[Speaker 6] (3:33:34 - 3:33:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:33:34 - 3:33:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:34 - 3:33:38)
for some reason I'd been told that, I don't know where I heard that information from,

[Speaker 6] (3:33:38 - 3:33:40)
but that led me towards thinking

[Speaker 6] (3:33:41 - 3:33:45)
that, you know, we really need to have some sort of venue to support the hotel.

[Speaker 7] (3:33:45 - 3:33:45)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:45 - 3:33:48)
Tell me what exactly we would be supporting.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:48 - 3:33:49)
is my question then.

[Speaker 7] (3:33:50 - 3:33:52)
What are you supporting?

[Speaker 6] (3:33:53 - 3:33:54)
The synergy to the hotel.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:54 - 3:33:55)
I don't know.

[Speaker 6] (3:33:55 - 3:33:56)
What do we need for that synergy?

[Speaker 2] (3:33:57 - 3:33:57)
Something.

[Speaker 7] (3:33:57 - 3:34:03)
So if I want to have a wedding for one of my kids.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:03 - 3:34:08)
I'm going to need a place that and I want to have a hotel right there. I need a place to have a wedding.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:08 - 3:34:09)
You could have it in the hotel.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:09 - 3:34:09)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:34:09 - 3:34:10)
It's

[Speaker 2] (3:34:10 - 3:34:10)
guess.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:10 - 3:34:10)
only 150,

[Speaker 3] (3:34:10 - 3:34:11)
140 guests.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:11 - 3:34:14)
140 guests that that won't even cover half.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:14 - 3:34:14)
Half

[Speaker 6] (3:34:14 - 3:34:14)
Staying

[Speaker 7] (3:34:14 - 3:34:14)
my.

[Speaker 6] (3:34:14 - 3:34:17)
in the ballroom, you want a physical space to have the wedding.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:18 - 3:34:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:34:18 - 3:34:19)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (3:34:19 - 3:34:19)
I think

[Speaker 2] (3:34:19 - 3:34:19)
I think

[Speaker 3] (3:34:19 - 3:34:27)
Mary Ellen's point is you there is value in having a space with a function capacity in excess of 144 people

[Speaker 7] (3:34:27 - 3:34:28)
Especially on

[Speaker 6] (3:34:28 - 3:34:29)
Is that

[Speaker 7] (3:34:29 - 3:34:29)
the north

[Speaker 6] (3:34:29 - 3:34:29)
what the max

[Speaker 7] (3:34:29 - 3:34:29)
shore.

[Speaker 6] (3:34:29 - 3:34:29)
was?

[Speaker 6] (3:34:30 - 3:34:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:30 - 3:34:30)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:34:30 - 3:34:31)
Especially on the north shore.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:32 - 3:34:35)
I mean, Oceanview Nahant has 230 people capacity.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:35 - 3:34:36)
And they are booked.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:36 - 3:34:37)
It's Ocean View Nahant though.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:38 - 3:34:39)
They are, what

[Speaker 3] (3:34:39 - 3:34:40)
Yeah, but they're probably making a

[Speaker 7] (3:34:40 - 3:34:40)
was that?

[Speaker 3] (3:34:40 - 3:34:40)
ton of money

[Speaker 2] (3:34:40 - 3:34:40)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:34:40 - 3:34:40)
on that

[Speaker 2] (3:34:40 - 3:34:41)
right

[Speaker 3] (3:34:41 - 3:34:41)
if

[Speaker 2] (3:34:41 - 3:34:41)
up the street.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:41 - 3:34:41)
they don't.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:41 - 3:34:43)
I mean if you wanted a bigger venue you go there.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:44 - 3:34:44)
I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:44 - 3:34:45)
It's important.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:45 - 3:34:48)
Or you could go across the street.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:48 - 3:34:53)
I think this might be better looked at with the lens of

[Speaker 3] (3:34:54 - 3:34:57)
being complementary to our existing commercial corridor as

[Speaker 2] (3:34:57 - 3:34:58)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:58 - 3:34:58)
a whole.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:58 - 3:35:00)
That will include the hotel,

[Speaker 7] (3:35:00 - 3:35:01)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:01 - 3:35:09)
but it will also include the nine other restaurants on Humphrey Street and other businesses there and not wanting to cannibalize any one of them, but complement all of them. I think

[Speaker 2] (3:35:09 - 3:35:09)
That's

[Speaker 3] (3:35:09 - 3:35:10)
that to

[Speaker 2] (3:35:10 - 3:35:10)
a tough one too really.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:10 - 3:35:13)
me that's how I will look at, would look at something like this.

[Speaker 2] (3:35:14 - 3:35:27)
Because in my head, I'm like why do I need two function facilities within a ten feet of each other? Why do I need if I have one that's got 144 seats, what do I need one that's got two hundred seats? Wha what town has two events, you know,

[Speaker 6] (3:35:27 - 3:35:28)
You and you said

[Speaker 2] (3:35:28 - 3:35:28)
places

[Speaker 6] (3:35:28 - 3:35:29)
again sending

[Speaker 2] (3:35:29 - 3:35:29)
in one town?

[Speaker 6] (3:35:29 - 3:35:33)
up channelization between the two and of competition that you really don't want

[Speaker 2] (3:35:33 - 3:35:37)
I mean it just is a rarity. When does that ever happen like I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (3:35:38 - 3:35:38)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (3:35:38 - 3:35:38)
But

[Speaker 2] (3:35:38 - 3:35:38)
know.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:38 - 3:35:41)
we're also getting into like really niche

[Speaker 2] (3:35:41 - 3:35:41)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:41 - 3:35:42)
use case here.

[Speaker 7] (3:35:42 - 3:35:42)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:42 - 3:35:43)
If there is a case for

[Speaker 2] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:43 - 3:35:45)
a function hall to be really profitable there,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:45 - 3:35:47)
I'm sure a developer will make the case

[Speaker 2] (3:35:47 - 3:35:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:47 - 3:35:49)
as to why and we will have more information to consider it.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:49 - 3:35:51)
But I am not in the function hall business,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:51 - 3:35:52)
so I don't.

[Speaker 7] (3:35:52 - 3:35:52)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (3:35:52 - 3:35:54)
not only just a function hall,

[Speaker 7] (3:35:54 - 3:35:54)
but also,

[Speaker 7] (3:35:54 - 3:36:00)
you know, if you do have, you know, like what we have right now, we have.

[Speaker 7] (3:36:00 - 3:36:01)
you know, in entertainment,

[Speaker 7] (3:36:02 - 3:36:03)
a performing arts entertainment

[Speaker 3] (3:36:03 - 3:36:04)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:36:04 - 3:36:06)
type of a facility opening up.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:06 - 3:36:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:36:06 - 3:36:12)
So, you know, if you have concerts and things like that, then you have a hotel that can,

[Speaker 7] (3:36:12 - 3:36:12)
you

[Speaker 3] (3:36:12 - 3:36:13)
That's know, a so good,

[Speaker 7] (3:36:13 - 3:36:13)
things

[Speaker 3] (3:36:13 - 3:36:13)
that's reasonable.

[Speaker 7] (3:36:13 - 3:36:15)
like, things like that.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:15 - 3:36:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:36:15 - 3:36:23)
So I think that just I think the synergy between the hotel and the commercial corridor is just really important for whatever goes

[Speaker 6] (3:36:23 - 3:36:23)
Could

[Speaker 7] (3:36:23 - 3:36:24)
there.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:24 - 3:36:28)
we say it's something that's bringing people from out of Swampscott into Swampscott?

[Speaker 3] (3:36:29 - 3:36:30)
I think that would be great synergy.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:30 - 3:36:31)
It's and

[Speaker 2] (3:36:31 - 3:36:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:31 - 3:36:33)
I want to call it tourism because it's

[Speaker 2] (3:36:33 - 3:36:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:33 - 3:36:34)
not really tourism but

[Speaker 3] (3:36:34 - 3:36:35)
But

[Speaker 6] (3:36:35 - 3:36:35)
if

[Speaker 3] (3:36:35 - 3:36:36)
it kind of is. I mean, it is tourism.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:36 - 3:36:37)
but you have a venue

[Speaker 2] (3:36:37 - 3:36:37)
Interest

[Speaker 6] (3:36:37 - 3:36:38)
I mean yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:36:38 - 3:36:39)
or activity or social

[Speaker 3] (3:36:39 - 3:36:41)
Where it's visitor generating or

[Speaker 2] (3:36:41 - 3:36:41)
something.

[Speaker 3] (3:36:41 - 3:36:41)
something.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:41 - 3:36:42)
I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:43 - 3:36:45)
All right. So this at least identify you've

[Speaker 7] (3:36:45 - 3:36:45)
got Critical.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:45 - 3:36:55)
some you did get some feedback from these that can will further drill down. But, you know, some things that aren't you can see what's important, not important.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:56 - 3:36:59)
Okay, so that was a fairly helpful exercise.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:59 - 3:36:59)
Is that helpful to you?

[Speaker 3] (3:36:59 - 3:37:00)
Yes. So what

[Speaker 6] (3:37:00 - 3:37:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:00 - 3:37:02)
are we going to have to revisit for further conversation?

[Speaker 2] (3:37:02 - 3:37:05)
So we're going to have to revisit residential use,

[Speaker 3] (3:37:05 - 3:37:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:05 - 3:37:09)
uh parking, uh building reuse versus demolition,

[Speaker 3] (3:37:09 - 3:37:10)
And open space.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:10 - 3:37:12)
and open space portion,

[Speaker 2] (3:37:12 - 3:37:15)
and I think, you know, synergy with hotel, commercial,

[Speaker 2] (3:37:15 - 3:37:17)
you know, how it fits in,

[Speaker 2] (3:37:17 - 3:37:18)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:37:18 - 3:37:21)
And I would think one of the things we didn't have on here but also

[Speaker 3] (3:37:22 - 3:37:25)
is important and it kind of dances around a lot of these is communities,

[Speaker 3] (3:37:25 - 3:37:26)
right?

[Speaker 2] (3:37:26 - 3:37:26)
Communities.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:26 - 3:37:28)
That could be a park, but that could also mean

[Speaker 3] (3:37:29 - 3:37:34)
Something else I don't know but there's a lot of different definitions of what community use could be all of them should be incorporated

[Speaker 2] (3:37:34 - 3:37:35)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:35 - 3:37:35)
in

[Speaker 2] (3:37:35 - 3:37:35)
That's

[Speaker 3] (3:37:35 - 3:37:35)
these

[Speaker 2] (3:37:35 - 3:37:35)
kind of

[Speaker 3] (3:37:35 - 3:37:36)
respondents

[Speaker 2] (3:37:36 - 3:37:36)
the, maybe

[Speaker 3] (3:37:36 - 3:37:36)
in some

[Speaker 2] (3:37:36 - 3:37:37)
that's

[Speaker 3] (3:37:37 - 3:37:37)
way shape

[Speaker 2] (3:37:37 - 3:37:37)
kind

[Speaker 3] (3:37:37 - 3:37:37)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (3:37:37 - 3:37:39)
of open space proportion too.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:39 - 3:37:39)
So

[Speaker 6] (3:37:39 - 3:37:40)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:40 - 3:37:40)
community

[Speaker 6] (3:37:40 - 3:37:40)
so.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:40 - 3:37:42)
use, if you're talking about chapter 90,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:42 - 3:37:43)
is...

[Speaker 3] (3:37:43 - 3:37:45)
I'm talking about open open spaces

[Speaker 1] (3:37:45 - 3:37:45)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:37:45 - 3:37:46)
where it went, but

[Speaker 1] (3:37:46 - 3:37:47)
community use requires,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:48 - 3:37:49)
I mean, if chapter 90 requires,

[Speaker 1] (3:37:50 - 3:37:53)
it's like...

[Speaker 1] (3:37:54 - 3:37:56)
public access and to the 10 feet something

[Speaker 3] (3:37:56 - 3:37:58)
that goes else straight into the water, right?

[Speaker 1] (3:37:58 - 3:38:00)
no but it's also like they need to support it so the

[Speaker 3] (3:38:00 - 3:38:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:00 - 3:38:03)
boat clubs and the Charlestown needed to add bathrooms take stewardship

[Speaker 2] (3:38:03 - 3:38:03)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:03 - 3:38:09)
of areas like that type of thing the you know Louis Wharf Boston Foundation has a

[Speaker 3] (3:38:09 - 3:38:09)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:09 - 3:38:14)
conference room that's available to everyone because it was part of the for free because it's part of the

[Speaker 2] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:15 - 3:38:20)
redevelopment of it. So there's certainly ways we could craft something that it aligns with the chapter 90 ideas that's

[Speaker 3] (3:38:20 - 3:38:20)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:20 - 3:38:21)
part of the RFP.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:21 - 3:38:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:21 - 3:38:25)
So if someone's doing it they just they have to be creative about how they would address it.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:25 - 3:38:25)
Do we wanna yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:38:25 - 3:38:25)
Mm,

[Speaker 3] (3:38:25 - 3:38:26)
That's

[Speaker 4] (3:38:26 - 3:38:26)
that's

[Speaker 3] (3:38:26 - 3:38:26)
a good idea.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:26 - 3:38:27)
kind of what I would the

[Speaker 3] (3:38:27 - 3:38:27)
What?

[Speaker 4] (3:38:27 - 3:38:28)
lines I would look at.

[Speaker 6] (3:38:28 - 3:38:34)
I w I w I would love to as we're going into this almost add the subtopic under three.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:34 - 3:38:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:38:35 - 3:38:41)
I do as we're talking about proportion get a little more definition in terms of what type of business you.

[Speaker 6] (3:38:41 - 3:38:42)
you like?

[Speaker 6] (3:38:42 - 3:38:44)
What type of open space you like?

[Speaker 7] (3:38:44 - 3:38:45)
Hmm,

[Speaker 7] (3:38:45 - 3:38:46)
that's a that's a great point.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:46 - 3:38:46)
You

[Speaker 7] (3:38:46 - 3:38:47)
Are

[Speaker 1] (3:38:47 - 3:38:47)
know,

[Speaker 7] (3:38:47 - 3:38:47)
you talking

[Speaker 1] (3:38:47 - 3:38:47)
give

[Speaker 7] (3:38:47 - 3:38:47)
about

[Speaker 1] (3:38:47 - 3:38:48)
a little more.

[Speaker 7] (3:38:48 - 3:38:52)
you'll be okay with a dry cleaner or you're talking about you'd rather have a coffee shop,

[Speaker 7] (3:38:52 - 3:38:54)
right? Is that the type of thing you're talking about?

[Speaker 6] (3:38:54 - 3:38:54)
Yeah, or

[Speaker 7] (3:38:54 - 3:38:58)
Or do you say no to a I don't

[Speaker 8] (3:38:58 - 3:38:58)
No,

[Speaker 7] (3:38:58 - 3:38:58)
I don't

[Speaker 8] (3:38:58 - 3:38:58)
you can

[Speaker 7] (3:38:58 - 3:38:59)
know.

[Speaker 8] (3:38:59 - 3:38:59)
dictate that.

[Speaker 7] (3:38:59 - 3:39:00)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:39:00 - 3:39:00)
We're

[Speaker 7] (3:39:00 - 3:39:00)
you probably

[Speaker 1] (3:39:00 - 3:39:01)
the landowners.

[Speaker 7] (3:39:01 - 3:39:02)
have a preference for right?

[Speaker 1] (3:39:02 - 3:39:03)
I mean, we're the landowners. We can dictate

[Speaker 7] (3:39:03 - 3:39:03)
You

[Speaker 1] (3:39:03 - 3:39:03)
whatever

[Speaker 7] (3:39:03 - 3:39:03)
have

[Speaker 1] (3:39:03 - 3:39:04)
we

[Speaker 7] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
a

[Speaker 1] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
want

[Speaker 7] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
preference

[Speaker 1] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
within

[Speaker 7] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
for what

[Speaker 1] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
reason.

[Speaker 7] (3:39:04 - 3:39:05)
kind of

[Speaker 7] (3:39:05 - 3:39:06)
Hmm.

[Speaker 9] (3:39:06 - 3:39:07)
But but

[Speaker 7] (3:39:07 - 3:39:08)
But do you

[Speaker 9] (3:39:08 - 3:39:08)
I don't

[Speaker 7] (3:39:08 - 3:39:08)
get to,

[Speaker 9] (3:39:08 - 3:39:09)
know if we want to get to that

[Speaker 7] (3:39:09 - 3:39:10)
I'm not,

[Speaker 6] (3:39:10 - 3:39:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:39:10 - 3:39:12)
you don't want to restrict that either.

[Speaker 10] (3:39:12 - 3:39:12)
Right, yeah,

[Speaker 10] (3:39:12 - 3:39:14)
Ted, I'm just not sure we...

[Speaker 7] (3:39:15 - 3:39:15)
You

[Speaker 1] (3:39:15 - 3:39:15)
I think

[Speaker 7] (3:39:15 - 3:39:15)
have

[Speaker 1] (3:39:15 - 3:39:16)
our to hope

[Speaker 7] (3:39:16 - 3:39:16)
double check

[Speaker 1] (3:39:16 - 3:39:16)
should with be

[Speaker 7] (3:39:16 - 3:39:16)
the

[Speaker 1] (3:39:16 - 3:39:16)
that as

[Speaker 7] (3:39:16 - 3:39:17)
trademark.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:17 - 3:39:18)
we put it together,

[Speaker 1] (3:39:18 - 3:39:18)
someone

[Speaker 10] (3:39:18 - 3:39:19)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:19 - 3:39:21)
that's going to put a gas station or a dry cleaner would never want to do it.

[Speaker 7] (3:39:22 - 3:39:22)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:22 - 3:39:22)
So

[Speaker 6] (3:39:22 - 3:39:22)
For

[Speaker 7] (3:39:22 - 3:39:22)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:22 - 3:39:23)
it's

[Speaker 6] (3:39:23 - 3:39:23)
instance.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:23 - 3:39:23)
too much that

[Speaker 7] (3:39:23 - 3:39:23)
Or

[Speaker 1] (3:39:23 - 3:39:23)
we're asking

[Speaker 7] (3:39:23 - 3:39:24)
a bank.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:24 - 3:39:24)
for.

[Speaker 7] (3:39:24 - 3:39:24)
Or to your car.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:24 - 3:39:25)
Yeah, it's

[Speaker 9] (3:39:25 - 3:39:25)
they have

[Speaker 1] (3:39:25 - 3:39:25)
too much

[Speaker 9] (3:39:25 - 3:39:25)
a

[Speaker 1] (3:39:25 - 3:39:27)
we're asking that we're looking for a partner

[Speaker 7] (3:39:27 - 3:39:27)
Bank.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:27 - 3:39:29)
for identifying all these other priorities.

[Speaker 9] (3:39:30 - 3:39:30)
Now here's

[Speaker 1] (3:39:30 - 3:39:30)
Those

[Speaker 9] (3:39:30 - 3:39:30)
so

[Speaker 1] (3:39:30 - 3:39:33)
are two uses that would forever ruin the property,

[Speaker 1] (3:39:33 - 3:39:33)
like

[Speaker 6] (3:39:33 - 3:39:33)
if

[Speaker 1] (3:39:33 - 3:39:34)
we can't.

[Speaker 6] (3:39:34 - 3:39:41)
we wanted it but i'm just saying okay because there's been a lot of visions expressed over the last five four how many years we've been into this now four

[Speaker 7] (3:39:41 - 3:39:42)
four.

[Speaker 6] (3:39:42 - 3:39:42)
years

[Speaker 9] (3:39:44 - 3:39:58)
You know I had some things that I thought would be really cool other people have brought their attention everything from you know open air concerts to hey if you had like a like a market but even like just like an open an open

[Speaker 7] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
The open

[Speaker 9] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
market

[Speaker 7] (3:39:58 - 3:39:58)
-air market

[Speaker 9] (3:39:58 - 3:40:01)
where people could come in and it's constantly being refreshing

[Speaker 7] (3:40:01 - 3:40:01)
New

[Speaker 9] (3:40:01 - 3:40:01)
to

[Speaker 7] (3:40:01 - 3:40:01)
vendors

[Speaker 9] (3:40:01 - 3:40:03)
bring new vendors in and

[Speaker 7] (3:40:03 - 3:40:03)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:40:03 - 3:40:08)
how that might look or even a rentable kitchen space where there's

[Speaker 10] (3:40:08 - 3:40:09)
Oh, Oh my gosh.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:09 - 3:40:09)
Jeez.

[Speaker 10] (3:40:09 - 3:40:09)
Wow.

[Speaker 9] (3:40:09 - 3:40:10)
all sorts of really cool

[Speaker 7] (3:40:12 - 3:40:12)
I

[Speaker 9] (3:40:12 - 3:40:18)
Things that could happen, but you'd have I think you would have to

[Speaker 9] (3:40:19 - 3:40:20)
It's a different business.

[Speaker 9] (3:40:21 - 3:40:24)
Those are different setups for the business case use,

[Speaker 9] (3:40:24 - 3:40:25)
right?

[Speaker 9] (3:40:25 - 3:40:31)
Versus just bricks and mortar buildings that have square front and you put in whatever you want to put in,

[Speaker 7] (3:40:31 - 3:40:32)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:40:32 - 3:40:37)
as opposed to attracting different types of businesses that would attract people to that corridor.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:37 - 3:40:37)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:37 - 3:40:43)
I think it's going to take a vision, right? As a visionary person to come up with an idea and hopefully we're just going to.

[Speaker 10] (3:40:43 - 3:40:44)
I think the number one.

[Speaker 10] (3:40:44 - 3:40:44)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:40:44 - 3:40:45)
That's that's the thing

[Speaker 7] (3:40:45 - 3:40:45)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (3:40:45 - 3:40:46)
that I get stuck

[Speaker 7] (3:40:46 - 3:40:47)
I mean someone else

[Speaker 9] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
needs

[Speaker 9] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
think

[Speaker 7] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
to

[Speaker 9] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
that

[Speaker 7] (3:40:47 - 3:40:47)
come

[Speaker 9] (3:40:47 - 3:40:48)
that's

[Speaker 7] (3:40:48 - 3:40:49)
and not ours,

[Speaker 7] (3:40:49 - 3:40:50)
but you

[Speaker 1] (3:40:50 - 3:40:50)
Okay

[Speaker 7] (3:40:50 - 3:40:50)
know

[Speaker 10] (3:40:50 - 3:40:51)
I just

[Speaker 7] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51)
someone's

[Speaker 9] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51)
Well,

[Speaker 10] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51)
that's going to

[Speaker 9] (3:40:51 - 3:40:51)
mean.

[Speaker 7] (3:40:51 - 3:40:52)
bring us a vision,

[Speaker 10] (3:40:52 - 3:40:52)
think we

[Speaker 7] (3:40:52 - 3:40:53)
right?

[Speaker 10] (3:40:53 - 3:41:11)
have to I think the one thing that's really important that we need to we need to keep in mind is that the healthier we get that hotel in the healthier and the busier that hotel is the more beneficial it is to this community and that's something I think that really has to be.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:12 - 3:41:13)
on the top of our minds.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:13 - 3:41:14)
I agree.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:14 - 3:41:15)
That's a

[Speaker 1] (3:41:15 - 3:41:15)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:41:15 - 3:41:15)
good point.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:15 - 3:41:24)
mean this is a such a unique site that I think once we get our act together and get you know in a few months down the line we're we're going to get nice respondents here and I cannot

[Speaker 7] (3:41:24 - 3:41:24)
think so,

[Speaker 1] (3:41:24 - 3:41:24)
imagine

[Speaker 7] (3:41:24 - 3:41:25)
too.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:25 - 3:41:27)
this legacy historic site

[Speaker 7] (3:41:27 - 3:41:27)
is Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:27 - 3:41:38)
not going to attract a lot of attention from well resources development companies not dissimilar to how we attracted some of the most well-resourced hoteliers for the Hadley right so

[Speaker 7] (3:41:39 - 3:41:41)
And that's going to turn out really great from

[Speaker 1] (3:41:41 - 3:41:41)
It's

[Speaker 7] (3:41:41 - 3:41:42)
what we've got.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:42 - 3:41:43)
going to turn out fantastically.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:44 - 3:41:47)
Okay, so now we are on to, do you have feedback?

[Speaker 9] (3:41:47 - 3:41:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:47 - 3:41:49)
This is pretty clear for you? Okay,

[Speaker 7] (3:41:49 - 3:41:51)
so you can, you know, redo this for the next time.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:52 - 3:41:53)
On to the consent agenda.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:54 - 3:41:57)
So I want to remove some things out of the consent agenda.

[Speaker 7] (3:41:57 - 3:41:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:41:58 - 3:42:01)
Um for item number one I

[Speaker 7] (3:42:01 - 3:42:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:01 - 3:42:04)
would I want to remove June 17th. So

[Speaker 7] (3:42:04 - 3:42:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:04 - 3:42:13)
I would make a motion to approve line item number one in the consent agenda um as amended with the removal of June 17th.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:13 - 3:42:14)
Do you want a second?

[Speaker 1] (3:42:15 - 3:42:17)
I haven't had a chance to review the minutes, so I'm not going to.

[Speaker 6] (3:42:18 - 3:42:19)
Go to that then.

[Speaker 6] (3:42:19 - 3:42:22)
You can 17th in particular. Hang on to me. I want to get to that spot.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:23 - 3:42:23)
What?

[Speaker 6] (3:42:24 - 3:42:26)
I mean sh it was no big deal if you want to

[Speaker 9] (3:42:26 - 3:42:27)
Wh where remove

[Speaker 6] (3:42:27 - 3:42:28)
you want to talk about separately basically.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:28 - 3:42:28)
Well, it's a removal.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:28 - 3:42:29)
Yeah, where's

[Speaker 10] (3:42:29 - 3:42:29)
No,

[Speaker 6] (3:42:29 - 3:42:29)
Oh.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:29 - 3:42:30)
just remove them. They'll go, they're going away.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:30 - 3:42:32)
We'll do do them next week.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:32 - 3:42:32)
Do it in the future.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:32 - 3:42:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:32 - 3:42:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:42:33 - 3:42:33)
That's fine.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:33 - 3:42:33)
All

[Speaker 6] (3:42:33 - 3:42:34)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (3:42:34 - 3:42:34)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (3:42:34 - 3:42:34)
I'll second.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:34 - 3:42:34)
sure.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:34 - 3:42:35)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:35 - 3:42:35)
Okay, that's fine.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:35 - 3:42:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 10] (3:42:35 - 3:42:36)
So that

[Speaker 7] (3:42:36 - 3:42:36)
that's

[Speaker 10] (3:42:36 - 3:42:36)
means,

[Speaker 7] (3:42:36 - 3:42:36)
seconded.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:36 - 3:42:37)
okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:37 - 3:42:39)
All right. All in favor?

[Speaker 9] (3:42:39 - 3:42:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:39 - 3:42:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 7] (3:42:39 - 3:42:41)
Okay, so remove it.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:41 - 3:42:43)
And then on approval.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:45 - 3:42:46)
of appointments.

[Speaker 10] (3:42:49 - 3:43:04)
I just have the I just have one comment on approval of appointments and that is I'm so thrilled that we finally have added an individual into the Water and Sewer Advisory Committee,

[Speaker 10] (3:43:04 - 3:43:05)
Andrea Moore,

[Speaker 10] (3:43:05 - 3:43:07)
after over a year.

[Speaker 10] (3:43:10 - 3:43:19)
I'm pretty ecstatic about that, so I'd like to make a motion to approve the uh number two on the consent agenda.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:20 - 3:43:20)
Okay, do we have a second?

[Speaker 6] (3:43:21 - 3:43:22)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:22 - 3:43:23)
Okay, all in favour?

[Speaker 6] (3:43:24 - 3:43:24)
I.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:24 - 3:43:24)
I.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:24 - 3:43:24)
Aye.

[Speaker 10] (3:43:24 - 3:43:31)
And then on number three I wanna remove the executive session minutes twenty twenty three twenty

[Speaker 10] (3:43:31 - 3:43:41)
24 and 25, only because there there's one issue I have to talk to Katie about one of these items, and I don't know what year it fell in. So I'd like to make a motion to

[Speaker 7] (3:43:41 - 3:43:41)
Which

[Speaker 10] (3:43:41 - 3:43:41)
approve.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:41 - 3:43:42)
one again?

[Speaker 10] (3:43:42 - 3:43:42)
Hmm?

[Speaker 10] (3:43:43 - 3:43:43)
Hmm?

[Speaker 7] (3:43:43 - 3:43:43)
Which one?

[Speaker 10] (3:43:44 - 3:43:49)
Uh, I'd like to make a motion to to approve year 2021 and 2022.

[Speaker 1] (3:43:50 - 3:43:50)
Basically table

[Speaker 7] (3:43:50 - 3:43:51)
Taking

[Speaker 1] (3:43:51 - 3:43:51)
2023

[Speaker 7] (3:43:51 - 3:43:52)
all of twenty twenty three

[Speaker 1] (3:43:52 - 3:43:52)
and

[Speaker 10] (3:43:52 - 3:43:52)
Table

[Speaker 7] (3:43:52 - 3:43:52)
four and all

[Speaker 10] (3:43:52 - 3:43:52)
in twenty

[Speaker 7] (3:43:52 - 3:43:53)
of twenty

[Speaker 10] (3:43:53 - 3:43:53)
three,

[Speaker 7] (3:43:53 - 3:43:53)
twenty four.

[Speaker 10] (3:43:53 - 3:43:55)
twenty four and twenty five to the next meeting.

[Speaker 7] (3:43:58 - 3:43:59)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (3:43:59 - 3:43:59)
Then

[Speaker 7] (3:43:59 - 3:43:59)
but so

[Speaker 1] (3:43:59 - 3:44:01)
I have a problem with it sure

[Speaker 7] (3:44:01 - 3:44:02)
you're gonna sacrifice?

[Speaker 1] (3:44:02 - 3:44:03)
a second yeah this

[Speaker 7] (3:44:03 - 3:44:06)
Okay. Um, all in favour?

[Speaker 10] (3:44:06 - 3:44:06)
Hi.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:06 - 3:44:06)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:06 - 3:44:06)
Hi.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:07 - 3:44:11)
Hi. I'm I'm nervous about it, but I I thought we had to do these for a reason.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:11 - 3:44:14)
So we're reporting out on the work that you all did at that meeting.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:14 - 3:44:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:44:14 - 3:44:17)
There is a problem with one of the items in there.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:18 - 3:44:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:44:18 - 3:44:22)
And I just need to talk to Katie, but I don't remember what year it was.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:22 - 3:44:23)
Okay

[Speaker 1] (3:44:23 - 3:44:26)
So we definitely will have to we'll connect

[Speaker 7] (3:44:26 - 3:44:27)
We're going

[Speaker 1] (3:44:27 - 3:44:27)
on

[Speaker 7] (3:44:27 - 3:44:27)
to have to

[Speaker 1] (3:44:27 - 3:44:30)
this so that we have to do it on the 21st because

[Speaker 7] (3:44:30 - 3:44:30)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:30 - 3:44:30)
we we

[Speaker 7] (3:44:30 - 3:44:31)
Because we have we

[Speaker 1] (3:44:31 - 3:44:32)
need to report

[Speaker 7] (3:44:32 - 3:44:32)
did that

[Speaker 1] (3:44:32 - 3:44:32)
out

[Speaker 7] (3:44:32 - 3:44:32)
for a

[Speaker 1] (3:44:32 - 3:44:32)
right

[Speaker 7] (3:44:32 - 3:44:34)
certain reason time-wise.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:34 - 3:44:40)
we need to report out the work that you all did in terms of like these are the ones that we're still withholding these are the ones that we're releasing so

[Speaker 10] (3:44:40 - 3:44:40)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:44:40 - 3:44:40)
okay

[Speaker 10] (3:44:40 - 3:44:42)
there's just one in here.

[Speaker 6] (3:44:43 - 3:44:46)
Um, just a quick comment for the notes. Um,

[Speaker 6] (3:44:47 - 3:44:51)
On number two there are term lights that have asterisks on them.

[Speaker 7] (3:44:52 - 3:44:52)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (3:44:52 - 3:45:01)
And just for the record to know that is intentional so that we're rolling off they become three-year terms at

[Speaker 1] (3:45:01 - 3:45:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:45:01 - 3:45:03)
the next time so just for this

[Speaker 1] (3:45:03 - 3:45:06)
This is part of the cleanup that you spent time with sure

[Speaker 6] (3:45:06 - 3:45:16)
was part of the cleanup to make sure that we're constantly revolving a lot of people would been on like one-year terms or two-year terms I was getting confusing as opposed to

[Speaker 6] (3:45:16 - 3:45:20)
Their asterisk, the next time they come up after their expiration,

[Speaker 6] (3:45:20 - 3:45:22)
that number person,

[Speaker 6] (3:45:22 - 3:45:23)
whoever that person is,

[Speaker 6] (3:45:23 - 3:45:25)
will go back onto a three-year term.

[Speaker 10] (3:45:25 - 3:45:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:28 - 3:45:29)
Okay, so...

[Speaker 7] (3:45:29 - 3:45:35)
We, so we're back to the, so the motion on the table, you pulled it, we took it, we're all set there,

[Speaker 11] (3:45:35 - 3:45:35)
we're

[Speaker 7] (3:45:35 - 3:45:35)
correct?

[Speaker 11] (3:45:35 - 3:45:36)
all set with everything

[Speaker 1] (3:45:36 - 3:45:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:36 - 3:45:39)
okay so now we're on to select board report and comments.

[Speaker 7] (3:45:40 - 3:45:41)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 11] (3:45:41 - 3:45:43)
it's after 10 I don't report

[Speaker 7] (3:45:43 - 3:45:43)
Okay,

[Speaker 11] (3:45:43 - 3:45:43)
after 10

[Speaker 7] (3:45:43 - 3:45:44)
10.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:46 - 3:45:56)
On Friday at 6:00 p.m., the Boston tall ships will be anchoring off the coast of Swampscott, mobile from Gloops and Littles Point and Fisherman's Beach and

[Speaker 6] (3:45:56 - 3:45:56)
Really?

[Speaker 1] (3:45:56 - 3:45:58)
Phillips Beach. There are

[Speaker 7] (3:45:58 - 3:45:59)
Ted is inviting everyone to

[Speaker 10] (3:45:59 - 3:46:00)
Wait,

[Speaker 7] (3:46:00 - 3:46:00)
his house.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:00 - 3:46:00)
what time?

[Speaker 6] (3:46:00 - 3:46:01)
I thought that was on the other side of Nahant.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:01 - 3:46:11)
There are eight of the twenty two boats that have an anchorage designated off of Littles Point and the other boats are off of broad in broad sound off of Nahant.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:11 - 3:46:15)
The eight up here, I don't know which eight of the boats they are, but it's gonna be really cool.

[Speaker 6] (3:46:15 - 3:46:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:15 - 3:46:16)
What time is that Ted?

[Speaker 7] (3:46:17 - 3:46:17)
It's They Friday.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:17 - 3:46:26)
have to have their anchors down by six p.m. on Friday. Most of them I would imagine will have it down sooner. Um and then they line up in broad sound for the parade to

[Speaker 6] (3:46:26 - 3:46:26)
the Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:26 - 3:46:31)
Boston Nahant off Nahant on Sunday morning. Uh Saturday morning, excuse me.

[Speaker 7] (3:46:32 - 3:46:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:46:32 - 3:46:33)
That's really cool. No,

[Speaker 10] (3:46:33 - 3:46:33)
That's

[Speaker 6] (3:46:33 - 3:46:34)
I did not

[Speaker 10] (3:46:34 - 3:46:34)
very I cool,

[Speaker 6] (3:46:34 - 3:46:34)
knew

[Speaker 10] (3:46:34 - 3:46:34)
Ted.

[Speaker 6] (3:46:34 - 3:46:35)
that they were all on

[Speaker 9] (3:46:35 - 3:46:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:46:35 - 3:46:36)
the other side in a I hut

[Speaker 1] (3:46:36 - 3:46:38)
didn't know they were going to be off Little's Point over there.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:38 - 3:46:39)
It's, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:46:40 - 3:46:41)
six boats. It's going to be really cool.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:41 - 3:46:43)
And you'll have a select board seating on the sailboat

[Speaker 7] (3:46:43 - 3:46:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:43 - 3:46:45)
and what time do you want us there?

[Speaker 7] (3:46:45 - 3:46:46)
We're all at Ted's house

[Speaker 1] (3:46:46 - 3:46:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:46:46 - 3:46:47)
for a viewing party.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:48 - 3:46:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:48 - 3:46:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:48 - 3:46:49)
Public meeting on

[Speaker 10] (3:46:49 - 3:46:49)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (3:46:49 - 3:46:49)
my,

[Speaker 10] (3:46:49 - 3:46:50)
everybody's

[Speaker 1] (3:46:50 - 3:46:50)
on

[Speaker 10] (3:46:50 - 3:46:50)
invited.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:50 - 3:46:51)
the sailboat. Sure.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:51 - 3:46:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:51 - 3:46:53)
Anyway, that's it. Go check it out. It's going to be cool.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:54 - 3:46:54)
Wayne?

[Speaker 6] (3:46:55 - 3:46:56)
Um, no,

[Speaker 6] (3:46:56 - 3:46:57)
all good. No.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:57 - 3:46:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:46:58 - 3:46:59)
So can I add one thing?

[Speaker 7] (3:46:59 - 3:47:00)
Sure,

[Speaker 7] (3:47:00 - 3:47:00)
Nick.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:00 - 3:47:02)
I did not mention this in the TA report.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:03 - 3:47:07)
We are going through the process of switching to Zoom for public meetings Oh,

[Speaker 7] (3:47:07 - 3:47:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:47:07 - 3:47:07)
thank God.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:07 - 3:47:16)
in order to manage with cable access and with usage by town. So there'll be probably two webinars.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:16 - 3:47:18)
One will be ours. One will be for.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:19 - 3:47:31)
The planning board that will just always be for us because they allow for a little more control on lockdown. And then there'll be two to three um regular meeting accounts so that we'll be able to handle the capacity even on the busy nights leading up to town meetings.

[Speaker 7] (3:47:31 - 3:47:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:32 - 3:47:32)
Do we leave?

[Speaker 10] (3:47:32 - 3:47:34)
Is that costing us a lot more money?

[Speaker 1] (3:47:34 - 3:47:40)
Not a lot more. It's something that we had talked about doing and planning for. So it the ease of use and the ability to

[Speaker 1] (3:47:41 - 3:47:47)
Record and get them to cable access more readily. It eliminates this idea that Joe and his team are sort of chasing

[Speaker 1] (3:47:48 - 3:47:51)
who logged in and where it's saved and how we get it to them.

[Speaker 10] (3:47:51 - 3:47:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:51 - 3:47:55)
It's all in a central location, they can go in, download, clear it out. Um

[Speaker 10] (3:47:55 - 3:47:56)
This is gonna make Joe happy?

[Speaker 1] (3:47:57 - 3:47:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:47:57 - 3:48:01)
So, as as someone who um

[Speaker 12] (3:48:01 - 3:48:02)
Can I make a comment?

[Speaker 14] (3:48:02 - 3:48:02)
Please

[Speaker 7] (3:48:02 - 3:48:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 14] (3:48:02 - 3:48:02)
do so.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:02 - 3:48:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 14] (3:48:03 - 3:48:09)
So I did do some research regarding your hesitation on it and I did reach out to them and

[Speaker 2] (3:48:16 - 3:48:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:48:16 - 3:48:16)
or

[Speaker 2] (3:48:16 - 3:48:17)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:17 - 3:48:17)
type thing. So

[Speaker 2] (3:48:17 - 3:48:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:17 - 3:48:20)
I did do it and I can forward it to you to show you that um

[Speaker 2] (3:48:20 - 3:48:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:21 - 3:48:21)
But we're

[Speaker 1] (3:48:21 - 3:48:21)
if

[Speaker 3] (3:48:21 - 3:48:23)
disabling two-factor authentication? Here?

[Speaker 1] (3:48:23 - 3:48:25)
you do that if when you're giving if I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:48:26 - 3:48:32)
letting meeting room one out that you're gonna whoever was the last person would have the code to you

[Speaker 4] (3:48:32 - 3:48:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:32 - 3:48:35)
would have to reach out but you won't have to do that

[Speaker 4] (3:48:35 - 3:48:43)
I was just saying it was a major problem during COVID when we, as a person who was using it to run meetings.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:44 - 3:48:52)
We had to find out whoever was the person who owned the account that email was connected to to get their 2FA, get them on the phone,

[Speaker 4] (3:48:52 - 3:48:54)
make sure we could enter it in to have access.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:55 - 3:48:57)
That was one of my hugest hesitations.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:58 - 3:49:05)
When we moved to Teams it was a huge sigh of relief as a member who again was running multiple meetings.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:05 - 3:49:08)
So are we going to still be able to use Teams?

[Speaker 4] (3:49:08 - 3:49:09)
If we have like meetings,

[Speaker 5] (3:49:10 - 3:49:10)
we'll move to Zoom.

[Speaker 6] (3:49:10 - 3:49:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:11 - 3:49:12)
So we're not

[Speaker 4] (3:49:12 - 3:49:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:12 - 3:49:14)
going to again we'll just we

[Speaker 8] (3:49:14 - 3:49:15)
It's going

[Speaker 7] (3:49:15 - 3:49:15)
will

[Speaker 8] (3:49:15 - 3:49:15)
to be

[Speaker 7] (3:49:15 - 3:49:15)
make

[Speaker 8] (3:49:15 - 3:49:15)
only

[Speaker 7] (3:49:15 - 3:49:15)
a

[Speaker 8] (3:49:15 - 3:49:15)
a key services.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:15 - 3:49:20)
and break at some point and go to zoom so that that's where people know that we are.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:21 - 3:49:30)
It more people know how to use it more people are comfortable with it and allows us better capabilities in terms of recording and making sure that those recordings get posted where they need to get posted.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:31 - 3:49:36)
In fact, for a lot of meetings right now it's unclear who started it, where it's recorded, and

[Speaker 4] (3:49:36 - 3:49:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:49:36 - 3:49:38)
then we're asking Yeah. the team to chase that down.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:38 - 3:49:57)
Okay. No, I understand with du with due respect and coming from a person who was running these meetings it is I think we were better off training doing some basic training with with committee chairs to be able to manage that for themselves and not having to rely on staff. I found it surprising that we needed to rely on staff for this long.

[Speaker 4] (3:49:57 - 3:50:14)
long where it was something that they intrinsically knew how to do already at their in the professional life that they should have been able to manage going forward if they have a committee email address so that that's just my it's my feedback from just personal experience

[Speaker 9] (3:50:15 - 3:50:16)
Well wait a second.

[Speaker 9] (3:50:16 - 3:50:18)
So but does that

[Speaker 9] (3:50:19 - 3:50:22)
But what he's what he's saying my worry is the expense

[Speaker 9] (3:50:23 - 3:50:23)
What?

[Speaker 3] (3:50:24 - 3:50:27)
It's a uh it's an enterprise in account, right? We're

[Speaker 4] (3:50:27 - 3:50:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:27 - 3:50:28)
spending a hundred

[Speaker 9] (3:50:28 - 3:50:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:28 - 3:50:30)
dollars a month or something on this?

[Speaker 7] (3:50:30 - 3:50:38)
Yeah, it's I believe it's a total of like a thousand dollars that we have budgeted for and it's part of a way that we think operations will work better with our account staff.

[Speaker 7] (3:50:39 - 3:50:41)
And for cable access as well.

[Speaker 9] (3:50:41 - 3:50:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (3:50:41 - 3:50:45)
We also believe that it's a better experience for the user that's coming to our meeting,

[Speaker 9] (3:50:45 - 3:50:45)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (3:50:45 - 3:50:55)
because you're not getting bumped around between participant and you know we Right. don't know how to un-mute, we don't know i it it is more widely accepted and more used.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:55 - 3:51:03)
Right. I mean from D_C_ it from D_C_R_ where Nick and I worked together in a past experiences zoom has provided them much

[Speaker 3] (3:51:03 - 3:51:10)
better control over the meeting and easier adoption with public participation. Like bar none.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:11 - 3:51:12)
significantly easier.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:12 - 3:51:14)
And in our planning board experience,

[Speaker 3] (3:51:14 - 3:51:29)
I've seen before I took over as chair, but the previous chair I know was very outspoken in their disdain for teams and their ability to use it and was outspoken for years advocating to your predecessor town administrator that we should change.

[Speaker 3] (3:51:29 - 3:51:31)
So I know this will make her

[Speaker 7] (3:51:31 - 3:51:31)
And

[Speaker 3] (3:51:31 - 3:51:31)
very

[Speaker 7] (3:51:31 - 3:51:31)
I think

[Speaker 3] (3:51:31 - 3:51:31)
happy.

[Speaker 7] (3:51:31 - 3:51:36)
part of the issue when we talk about prices when they discussed this during COVID it was that

[Speaker 7] (3:51:35 - 3:51:37)
that

[Speaker 3] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:51:37 - 3:51:39)
dozens of people were going to be getting accounts at Town Hall.

[Speaker 7] (3:51:40 - 3:51:48)
Town Hall staff can still have a staff level meeting or an individual elected member but for public meetings we want to go to Zoom so that it is

[Speaker 9] (3:51:48 - 3:51:48)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:51:48 - 3:51:52)
easier for the end user that's participating from the outside,

[Speaker 4] (3:51:52 - 3:51:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:51:52 - 3:51:58)
it's better for us to maintain the videos and get the videos where they need to go and the controls are,

[Speaker 7] (3:51:58 - 3:51:59)
you know.

[Speaker 7] (3:52:00 - 3:52:09)
they're more user friendly. I I don't know how else to describe it. Like I use Teams of the state, I use Teams here and I used them in between when I was in. I it's it's much simpler for

[Speaker 4] (3:52:09 - 3:52:10)
Question:

[Speaker 7] (3:52:10 - 3:52:14)
someone that's sort of dipping in and out of it to be using Zoom than it is for to be using Teams.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:14 - 3:52:17)
will each committee chair

[Speaker 4] (3:52:18 - 3:52:19)
Or whoever's

[Speaker 7] (3:52:19 - 3:52:19)
We'll

[Speaker 4] (3:52:19 - 3:52:19)
running

[Speaker 7] (3:52:19 - 3:52:19)
have a schedule.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:19 - 3:52:20)
it. Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:52:20 - 3:52:28)
That's why we're doing three meetings, three meeting accounts where if three different people are all meeting in one night and it's not a select board night, there's actually four accounts that are available.

[Speaker 7] (3:52:29 - 3:52:36)
Ideally the webinars would only be used because they they provide the greatest level of control, but only be used by planning board and by us.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:36 - 3:52:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:36 - 3:52:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:52:36 - 3:52:42)
The three meeting accounts would be the ones that would be scheduled between and among all the other volunteer appointed committees.

[Speaker 4] (3:52:42 - 3:52:43)
We we need staff

[Speaker 4] (3:52:44 - 3:52:52)
To do it or will you need the individual chair will have access to those that was really the trajectory of my question,

[Speaker 1] (3:52:52 - 3:52:57)
It would sign in log through me because I'd have to book the room as well.

[Speaker 9] (3:52:57 - 3:52:58)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:52:59 - 3:52:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:52:59 - 3:53:05)
So it would be one liaison, one person connecting and doing it all versus right now we have

[Speaker 9] (3:53:05 - 3:53:07)
You can't have every chair doing it.

[Speaker 4] (3:53:07 - 3:53:09)
Wait a minute, so it all it would all be on you as the

[Speaker 1] (3:53:09 - 3:53:11)
It would be just their request but it would be

[Speaker 1] (3:53:12 - 3:53:14)
organized having

[Speaker 7] (3:53:14 - 3:53:14)
I'm I'd

[Speaker 1] (3:53:14 - 3:53:15)
the calendar

[Speaker 7] (3:53:15 - 3:53:33)
appreciate it if you give us the opportunity to do this because we are the ones that are doing this day to day and confident that we will be able to make the switch I will make sure that you know she was already Shannon was already looking at the to FAA stuff to make sure that that is not a hurdle

[Speaker 7] (3:53:34 - 3:53:39)
We can also speak to other communities that are doing this. Teams is not widely used for

[Speaker 3] (3:53:39 - 3:53:39)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:53:39 - 3:53:40)
this type of thing. Teams

[Speaker 3] (3:53:40 - 3:53:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:53:40 - 3:53:42)
is widely used at the staff level,

[Speaker 9] (3:53:42 - 3:53:43)
Mm.

[Speaker 7] (3:53:43 - 3:53:46)
not as much for the public meetings when you look broadly.

[Speaker 9] (3:53:46 - 3:53:47)
For sure.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:50 - 3:53:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:51 - 3:53:52)
I mean, it's up to you.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:52 - 3:53:54)
It's a comfort.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:54 - 3:53:55)
I'm just giving you my feedback.

[Speaker 9] (3:53:56 - 3:53:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:53:57 - 3:54:00)
And I think we're already working to address it.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:01 - 3:54:03)
Okay, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. So

[Speaker 9] (3:54:03 - 3:54:03)
So moved.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:03 - 3:54:04)
move.

[Speaker 4] (3:54:04 - 3:54:04)
So move.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:04 - 3:54:05)
Oh, second.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:05 - 3:54:05)
Second.

[Speaker 10] (3:54:06 - 3:54:06)
All in favor?

[Speaker 9] (3:54:06 - 3:54:07)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:07 - 3:54:07)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:08 - 3:54:09)
So Shannon, who made that?