[Speaker 1] (0:03 - 0:10)
With that, we will call this Swamp Scout planning board meeting to order for Monday,

[Speaker 1] (0:10 - 0:12)
July 13th, 2026.

[Speaker 1] (0:14 - 0:18)
The first item we have on the agenda today is approval of the past meeting minutes.

[Speaker 1] (0:21 - 0:23)
Kristen, did you get any comments?

[Speaker 2] (0:23 - 0:26)
Just yours to fix the headers I fixed that.

[Speaker 1] (0:26 - 0:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (0:27 - 0:28)
um i

[Speaker 2] (0:28 - 0:29)
Yeah, I didn't have any.

[Speaker 1] (0:30 - 0:32)
didn't have that again the

[Speaker 1] (0:34 - 0:44)
header just had uh it was the prior header so chris will just open a new one if that works so uh do we have a motion to approve so moved uh second all those in favor

[Speaker 1] (0:49 - 0:52)
The next item on the agenda,

[Speaker 1] (0:52 - 0:59)
petition 25-16 for 5 Manson Road by Darius Gregory,

[Speaker 1] (0:59 - 1:06)
requesting review of proposed revisions to decision 25-16 for a site plan special permit for 5 Manson Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:06 - 1:08)
previously zero Manson Road,

[Speaker 1] (1:08 - 1:10)
previously approved on August 11,

[Speaker 1] (1:10 - 1:15)
2025 in A2 zoning district at 5 Manson Road.

[Speaker 3] (1:17 - 1:25)
That Christou is representing a petitioner's office and sale would be is one of the trustees under

[Speaker 1] (1:25 - 1:26)
I remember right up.

[Speaker 3] (1:26 - 1:42)
my own and I think the best way to describe this is this this was a situation where documents documents

[Speaker 3] (1:44 - 2:02)
for him and him to be five that is on a mylar marissa right around the time marissa was leaving and i'm not trying to throw marissa under the bus or anything but they ended up being lost and we had to get a second

[Speaker 3] (2:04 - 2:04)
mylar

[Speaker 3] (2:05 - 2:15)
And it did. It got signed and I'm meeting much later by this board in concert with the decision.

[Speaker 3] (2:16 - 2:22)
And it was based upon the plans that were filed with the board,

[Speaker 3] (2:22 - 2:26)
the only plans that ever existed after the subdivision control.

[Speaker 3] (2:27 - 2:35)
the subdivision control rather subdivision control was used and we got a subdivision plan

[Speaker 3] (2:35 - 2:51)
that plan was the only plan that there was a method of being by law reflect somehow the copies of that did not get to building inspector and the decision

[Speaker 3] (2:53 - 3:02)
The court, in its second decision after the subdivision control law subdivision was granted,

[Speaker 3] (3:02 - 3:14)
the decision for the special site plan special permit did not follow what was proposed and presented on plans.

[Speaker 3] (3:20 - 3:32)
And so there's a statement in this decision of August 11th that the water and sewer was going to be hooked up to the town at the town's front truck,

[Speaker 3] (3:32 - 3:33)
which it was not.

[Speaker 3] (3:33 - 3:38)
And it was intended to be, the sewer is hooked up to the limb,

[Speaker 3] (3:38 - 3:40)
water is on the well,

[Speaker 3] (3:40 - 3:44)
and somehow when the decision was written.

[Speaker 3] (3:45 - 3:46)
And then filed,

[Speaker 3] (3:47 - 3:50)
I did not see before it was filed,

[Speaker 3] (3:51 - 3:57)
it stated that it was I and I needed to the town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 3] (3:57 - 4:00)
when in fact they paid the I and I fees to the city of Lynn,

[Speaker 3] (4:00 - 4:03)
which appropriate made a copy of that check,

[Speaker 3] (4:03 - 4:07)
remember we have a copy of all of the documents here in front,

[Speaker 3] (4:07 - 4:10)
I want you to bring those up.

[Speaker 3] (4:11 - 4:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (4:13 - 4:14)
It's my part of my life.

[Speaker 3] (4:14 - 4:27)
But my life, as well as all of the documents recorded at the Registry of Deeds, which is the subdivision and all the plans that went through with the conservation commission and everything else.

[Speaker 3] (4:27 - 4:36)
So somehow there was a mix-up and there was a misunderstanding then with the building inspector and...

[Speaker 3] (4:38 - 5:00)
uh in town center and that's more recent meeting with my clients and uh a couple of issues that were identified that needed to be amended i guess administratively uh by this board to that decision of recognizing the fact that

[Speaker 3] (5:00 - 5:10)
The sewer went through in as it was always proposed that we were never supposed to put in sidewalks and granite curbing.

[Speaker 3] (5:10 - 5:15)
It was specified that it would be Cape Cod burn and

[Speaker 4] (5:15 - 5:16)
Five foot sets,

[Speaker 3] (5:16 - 5:16)
right

[Speaker 4] (5:16 - 5:18)
but Cape Cod burn not granite.

[Speaker 3] (5:18 - 5:25)
exactly not on both sides and I mean all it is is shown on the plan that's what was built and

[Speaker 3] (5:26 - 5:36)
It's caused a great deal of consternation on my end. I can't explain how this didn't get properly addressed.

[Speaker 1] (5:36 - 5:41)
Maybe we'll just run through the, just you're asking for four minutes of relief,

[Speaker 1] (5:41 - 5:41)
right?

[Speaker 3] (5:41 - 5:41)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (5:42 - 5:43)
So can we just,

[Speaker 3] (5:43 - 5:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (5:43 - 5:43)
okay,

[Speaker 3] (5:43 - 5:44)
that's what I'm seeking.

[Speaker 1] (5:44 - 5:45)
just take them in order.

[Speaker 3] (5:46 - 5:46)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (5:48 - 5:54)
So I guess for the first one, clarification regarding roadway improvements,

[Speaker 1] (5:55 - 6:03)
you're asking that we add language that says the applicant's obligation regarding roadway and infrastructure improvement,

[Speaker 1] (6:03 - 6:07)
they'll be satisfied through the subdivision covenant for permits not accepted by the town.

[Speaker 1] (6:08 - 6:20)
Completion of the roadway and associated public infrastructure shall not be required prior to the issuance of a certificate of occupancy for the dwelling provided all applicable building code, life safety utility,

[Speaker 1] (6:20 - 6:23)
and occupancy requirements have otherwise been satisfied.

[Speaker 1] (6:25 - 6:26)
I guess I just wasn't sure why,

[Speaker 1] (6:26 - 6:30)
you know, we don't usually get into what's required or not required for a C of O,

[Speaker 1] (6:30 - 6:42)
and I wasn't sure why a C of O wouldn't be first condition on the roadway and all public infrastructure first being constructed.

[Speaker 3] (6:44 - 6:47)
Well, there's a difference between constructing and being finished.

[Speaker 3] (6:48 - 6:54)
I think the concern is if you propose to finish grade when you have construction vehicles,

[Speaker 3] (6:54 - 6:56)
like first we had to build a road to

[Speaker 4] (6:56 - 6:56)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (6:56 - 6:57)
get in.

[Speaker 1] (6:57 - 6:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (6:57 - 6:58)
Take down

[Speaker 3] (6:58 - 6:58)
the Take

[Speaker 4] (6:58 - 6:58)
trees,

[Speaker 3] (6:58 - 6:58)
down

[Speaker 4] (6:58 - 6:59)
you know,

[Speaker 3] (6:59 - 6:59)
the

[Speaker 4] (6:59 - 6:59)
level

[Speaker 3] (6:59 - 7:00)
trees and do all that.

[Speaker 4] (7:00 - 7:00)
the ground.

[Speaker 3] (7:00 - 7:03)
You can't bring it to finished grade instead.

[Speaker 3] (7:03 - 7:09)
You have done all that before you can get a certificate of occupancy and finish it.

[Speaker 3] (7:09 - 7:14)
We have a bond of $83,500 with the town.

[Speaker 1] (7:14 - 7:15)
which wasn't replied.

[Speaker 5] (7:15 - 7:20)
fire actually but we even we even pay them on but if you see that what we are

[Speaker 4] (7:20 - 7:23)
Well, when it was required by the

[Speaker 4] (7:24 - 7:25)
By the Department of Public Works.

[Speaker 4] (7:26 - 7:29)
They're the ones that decide how much the bond is.

[Speaker 4] (7:29 - 7:30)
We don't do that.

[Speaker 4] (7:30 - 7:35)
We just, you know, we grant a subdivision when a road has to be built.

[Speaker 4] (7:35 - 7:36)
You know this.

[Speaker 4] (7:36 - 7:38)
We have to get that money.

[Speaker 3] (7:38 - 7:40)
I drafted a covenant and gave it to them.

[Speaker 3] (7:40 - 7:41)
Covenants were reported,

[Speaker 3] (7:42 - 7:48)
but there's no amount in the covenant because we hadn't gotten the number from the town yet for the bond.

[Speaker 4] (7:48 - 7:50)
So you never got a number from,

[Speaker 4] (7:50 - 7:51)
from...

[Speaker 1] (7:51 - 7:51)
No,

[Speaker 1] (7:51 - 7:53)
we did get it, but it wasn't until much

[Speaker 3] (7:53 - 7:54)
later.

[Speaker 5] (7:54 - 7:57)
But there was a waiver for the one that was approved.

[Speaker 1] (7:58 - 8:00)
Okay, so there's a bond in place.

[Speaker 5] (8:00 - 8:00)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (8:00 - 8:00)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (8:00 - 8:00)
yes.

[Speaker 1] (8:00 - 8:01)
it's still fine.

[Speaker 1] (8:01 - 8:02)
So I guess I'm just,

[Speaker 1] (8:02 - 8:03)
can you explain,

[Speaker 1] (8:03 - 8:05)
I'm not understanding why,

[Speaker 1] (8:05 - 8:07)
like what's wrong with the decision?

[Speaker 1] (8:07 - 8:13)
Just explain to us what's wrong with the decision that requires the addition of the language for funding.

[Speaker 4] (8:16 - 8:20)
So, can I just clarify one thing?

[Speaker 3] (8:21 - 8:21)
Yeah

[Speaker 4] (8:21 - 8:35)
Okay, so you're saying, Chris, about the road way. I mean, the whole purpose of the bond is to make sure that all that roadway work is done, that it gets completed.

[Speaker 4] (8:35 - 8:40)
So and then the bond goes away, you know, just like you'll get your money back, whatever it is.

[Speaker 4] (8:42 - 8:43)
That's what's required.

[Speaker 4] (8:43 - 8:48)
The road has got to be finished and then the bond is, you

[Speaker 3] (8:48 - 8:48)
Really,

[Speaker 4] (8:48 - 8:48)
know,

[Speaker 3] (8:48 - 8:50)
we're not asking for the bond to be released.

[Speaker 4] (8:51 - 8:55)
So you just want to hold on to the bond not finish the road.

[Speaker 3] (8:55 - 8:55)
No, no.

[Speaker 4] (8:55 - 8:56)
Are you ever going to finish

[Speaker 3] (8:56 - 8:56)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (8:56 - 8:57)
the road?

[Speaker 3] (8:57 - 8:57)
no.

[Speaker 5] (8:57 - 8:57)
No, no, no,

[Speaker 5] (8:57 - 8:58)
no, no.

[Speaker 3] (8:58 - 8:59)
Which content is We this?

[Speaker 5] (8:59 - 9:03)
have to finish you don't you cannot get anybody to buy the property without a road.

[Speaker 4] (9:03 - 9:03)
So

[Speaker 5] (9:03 - 9:03)
It's

[Speaker 4] (9:03 - 9:04)
the

[Speaker 5] (9:04 - 9:04)
not bad.

[Speaker 4] (9:04 - 9:09)
question is that is that the spec house then you're just trying to sell it and you want someone to be able to buy it

[Speaker 4] (9:10 - 9:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (9:10 - 9:19)
All right, we try to make a bit listed right and be able to even you know to finish but we have the bond so there's no issue about like

[Speaker 4] (9:19 - 9:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (9:19 - 9:23)
So what's holding up building the room, I guess.

[Speaker 5] (9:24 - 9:26)
Well, nothing is holding it up, but yes,

[Speaker 5] (9:26 - 9:32)
you know, we just, I think that was my business partner that actually included that language into that.

[Speaker 4] (9:33 - 9:38)
So that's that's how our subdivision control law works, though, is that you have to get to finish it.

[Speaker 4] (9:39 - 9:42)
That's the whole and that's, you know, like,

[Speaker 4] (9:42 - 9:45)
I don't even I'm not I'm not even comfortable getting into this.

[Speaker 4] (9:45 - 9:59)
discussion because I feel like it's really something for the the town engineer and the Department of Public Works I mean we can tell you what how to how we have to enforce subdivision control law but the way

[Speaker 2] (10:03 - 10:03)
I agree,

[Speaker 2] (10:04 - 10:04)
Angela.

[Speaker 1] (10:04 - 10:04)
We

[Speaker 2] (10:04 - 10:04)
I just

[Speaker 1] (10:04 - 10:04)
have

[Speaker 2] (10:04 - 10:05)
want

[Speaker 1] (10:05 - 10:05)
a

[Speaker 2] (10:05 - 10:06)
to go there.

[Speaker 1] (10:06 - 10:06)
great agreement.

[Speaker 2] (10:06 - 10:08)
Yeah, I'm just asking though,

[Speaker 2] (10:08 - 10:11)
is there like a specific issue in the decision?

[Speaker 2] (10:12 - 10:14)
Because if you're just adding to add this language,

[Speaker 2] (10:14 - 10:18)
you know, and we'll open this up more, my inclination is...

[Speaker 2] (10:18 - 10:35)
there's no I don't really understand why this would be required but if you're saying that there's a specific item in the decision that's incorrect or something that you can put clarification on one then I'm open to hearing that and I just I'm going to ask from the way I'm hearing this

[Speaker 2] (10:36 - 10:40)
Is the issue here tied into the granite curbing?

[Speaker 2] (10:41 - 10:42)
That's later.

[Speaker 2] (10:42 - 10:43)
Oh, that's later.

[Speaker 3] (10:43 - 10:43)
That's later.

[Speaker 2] (10:43 - 10:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (10:43 - 10:44)
That shouldn't be the next one.

[Speaker 2] (10:44 - 10:47)
Because I know that during this,

[Speaker 2] (10:47 - 11:03)
I'm trying to like get my head back into this meeting and I know that some of this, there was a discussion and there were, you know, it was sort of determined that following the format that was put in front of us as to what the standard was didn't make any sense as we were coming off.

[Speaker 2] (11:04 - 11:08)
a very minimal road without sidewalks, et cetera.

[Speaker 2] (11:08 - 11:17)
So, but in this first statement that doesn't look like it really falls under the plan. Let's just take each one of them. Let's see how they're different later. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (11:18 - 11:20)
So I remember this pretty well.

[Speaker 1] (11:22 - 11:22)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (11:22 - 11:23)
But

[Speaker 1] (11:23 - 11:23)
not going

[Speaker 2] (11:23 - 11:23)
maybe

[Speaker 1] (11:23 - 11:23)
to.

[Speaker 2] (11:23 - 11:24)
let's put it

[Speaker 1] (11:24 - 11:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (11:24 - 11:24)
in, yeah, not

[Speaker 1] (11:24 - 11:25)
yeah, go

[Speaker 2] (11:25 - 11:25)
number ahead. one.

[Speaker 2] (11:25 - 11:32)
Let's put it in because I'm not hearing an issue that actually has to be corrected in one.

[Speaker 2] (11:32 - 11:39)
For number two, the decision states that the site would be served by public water and sewer.

[Speaker 2] (11:39 - 11:41)
And I think you're right that that's not correct.

[Speaker 1] (11:41 - 11:42)
That's not correct,

[Speaker 2] (11:42 - 11:42)
That

[Speaker 1] (11:42 - 11:43)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (11:43 - 11:46)
needs to be changed to indicate that.

[Speaker 2] (11:48 - 11:50)
You're sort of by wind right

[Speaker 4] (11:50 - 11:50)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (11:50 - 11:51)
for

[Speaker 4] (11:51 - 11:51)
So

[Speaker 2] (11:51 - 11:52)
this

[Speaker 4] (11:52 - 11:53)
are the water for storm.

[Speaker 2] (11:53 - 12:02)
storm and I guess my question on that one would be where does that lie in the documentation Was it something that was left out of the documentation that we approved or

[Speaker 4] (12:02 - 12:06)
Do you have a read that it's actually everything in there that was reported to see?

[Speaker 2] (12:06 - 12:08)
the decision incorrectly says okay

[Speaker 1] (12:08 - 12:10)
Okay, so I have a question.

[Speaker 1] (12:10 - 12:14)
So you have bear drains in the street storm drains

[Speaker 1] (12:14 - 12:21)
built in the street that flow on a brand new sewer line that goes to Lynn.

[Speaker 1] (12:21 - 12:22)
Is that correct?

[Speaker 4] (12:22 - 12:27)
But it's an E1 ejector pump that goes into it, yes.

[Speaker 1] (12:27 - 12:27)
Okay and

[Speaker 1] (12:28 - 12:31)
But it connects to a little water and sewer.

[Speaker 1] (12:31 - 12:31)
I remember seeing

[Speaker 4] (12:31 - 12:31)
It

[Speaker 1] (12:31 - 12:32)
the details

[Speaker 4] (12:32 - 12:32)
connects.

[Speaker 1] (12:32 - 12:33)
back and forth.

[Speaker 4] (12:33 - 12:34)
It connects to the water.

[Speaker 1] (12:34 - 12:35)
It does.

[Speaker 1] (12:35 - 12:37)
So it is connected at this time.

[Speaker 4] (12:37 - 12:39)
Yeah, they inspected it. They approved it.

[Speaker 1] (12:40 - 12:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (12:40 - 12:44)
Now, so there's a storm drain here in the street.

[Speaker 1] (12:44 - 12:45)
Is that right?

[Speaker 4] (12:46 - 12:48)
in the street in which street though

[Speaker 1] (12:48 - 12:49)
In Manson Road,

[Speaker 4] (12:49 - 12:49)
where

[Speaker 1] (12:49 - 12:49)
how?

[Speaker 4] (12:49 - 12:51)
it's getting built yeah

[Speaker 1] (12:51 - 12:52)
It's being built.

[Speaker 4] (12:52 - 12:52)
the

[Speaker 1] (12:52 - 12:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (12:53 - 13:03)
drainage system is as we speak I think rich was there today he could attest to that if they were there today at 1 30 and and I think the engineer so

[Speaker 1] (13:03 - 13:04)
Yep. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (13:04 - 13:08)
the structures are in place and they look back in so

[Speaker 1] (13:08 - 13:10)
Yep. So my feeling would be.

[Speaker 1] (13:11 - 13:19)
You know, the I and I not only encompasses, you know, where the how the water's getting in and out of your house, you know, well water,

[Speaker 1] (13:19 - 13:25)
you determine that you're digging the well, so you're not going to be taking water from the town,

[Speaker 1] (13:25 - 13:31)
you're expelling water through a lint, water and sewage, and we've determined that.

[Speaker 1] (13:31 - 13:34)
But how is all the runoff being handled?

[Speaker 1] (13:34 - 13:35)
So the runoff is being handled,

[Speaker 1] (13:35 - 13:37)
I'm just going to ask you, is it all handled?

[Speaker 1] (13:37 - 13:40)
Handle from that storm drain that you're building.

[Speaker 4] (13:40 - 13:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (13:41 - 13:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (13:42 - 13:47)
So then those are the issues in the storm drains in the road that's being,

[Speaker 4] (13:47 - 13:48)
But the road,

[Speaker 4] (13:48 - 13:50)
where the storm drains goes,

[Speaker 1] (13:50 - 13:50)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (13:50 - 13:52)
that little road that is a wetland,

[Speaker 1] (13:52 - 13:52)
yeah,

[Speaker 4] (13:52 - 13:53)
goes to land.

[Speaker 1] (13:53 - 13:54)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (13:55 - 14:00)
He's right there with the mayor's. These are the mayor's properties that storm he serviced

[Speaker 1] (14:00 - 14:00)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (14:00 - 14:03)
by a nicotine and we had the conversations with Lane

[Speaker 1] (14:03 - 14:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (14:03 - 14:04)
correct

[Speaker 1] (14:04 - 14:06)
But you have a, there's a means of grain to get that.

[Speaker 1] (14:06 - 14:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (14:07 - 14:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (14:08 - 14:10)
So the engineers would have noted all that stuff.

[Speaker 2] (14:13 - 14:21)
So I guess then my question, so when the decision says that the petitioner will pay the I&I fee in accordance with the town of Swampscotts I&I policy.

[Speaker 2] (14:22 - 14:23)
Just the policy,

[Speaker 2] (14:24 - 14:26)
I don't know of any policy by heart.

[Speaker 2] (14:26 - 14:28)
What does the policy say by your subject?

[Speaker 2] (14:31 - 14:34)
And then I guess while we're just talking about at this point,

[Speaker 2] (14:34 - 14:42)
could you just show where on the bylaws the private wells are?

[Speaker 4] (14:45 - 14:46)
He's on the right side of the house

[Speaker 2] (14:49 - 14:50)
W is

[Speaker 2] (14:54 - 14:55)
It's a water source.

[Speaker 2] (14:55 - 15:05)
That would be is it is the symbol is a W and a double circle and then the line that says WS is water service.

[Speaker 2] (15:05 - 15:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (15:07 - 15:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (15:08 - 15:11)
here it is proposed wealth and then water service.

[Speaker 2] (15:12 - 15:14)
So they're they're not.

[Speaker 2] (15:14 - 15:15)
I'm from the house.

[Speaker 2] (15:15 - 15:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (15:29 - 15:40)
I think my concern is that the decision of the city has to be in accordance with the policy. And I don't know what the town's policy is.

[Speaker 2] (15:42 - 15:45)
Well, they can't charge the fee if you're not using their service.

[Speaker 4] (15:45 - 15:50)
It's double double mitigation so you cannot charge double time the people say

[Speaker 2] (15:50 - 15:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (15:51 - 15:51)
I

[Speaker 2] (15:51 - 15:53)
I guess what is the, you know, what the policy says,

[Speaker 2] (15:53 - 15:55)
anything about that?

[Speaker 2] (15:55 - 15:55)
I would assume that if it,

[Speaker 2] (15:56 - 15:56)
that's

[Speaker 5] (15:56 - 15:57)
So, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (15:57 - 15:58)
I'm pulling

[Speaker 2] (15:58 - 15:58)
an option to

[Speaker 5] (15:58 - 15:58)
it up.

[Speaker 2] (15:58 - 15:59)
somebody else, you pay them.

[Speaker 2] (15:59 - 16:02)
Right, yeah. Which case it doesn't

[Speaker 4] (16:02 - 16:02)
It doesn't

[Speaker 2] (16:02 - 16:02)
change

[Speaker 4] (16:02 - 16:04)
change that you're not gonna

[Speaker 2] (16:06 - 16:11)
And if for whatever reason anything was ever changed where it were instead connecting to

[Speaker 6] (16:11 - 16:11)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (16:11 - 16:11)
how

[Speaker 6] (16:11 - 16:12)
that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (16:12 - 16:12)
do we stop stuff?

[Speaker 6] (16:12 - 16:14)
That's why we handed the copy,

[Speaker 6] (16:14 - 16:16)
like, we gave the copy of the check,

[Speaker 6] (16:16 - 16:16)
right?

[Speaker 2] (16:17 - 16:17)
No.

[Speaker 2] (16:23 - 16:23)
Oh, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (16:23 - 16:48)
I believe that you know, I'm just my yeah, I believe that you have it saying they don't believe you I'm just saying I don't know if the town has responsibilities I assume the policy the I&I policy says that if you're being served by another town Then you don't have to pay an I&I fee, but I just I don't have it in front of me I don't know what it says and if anything was ever changed. I want the project to still be subject to the town's I&I fee, you know what I'm saying

[Speaker 2] (16:50 - 16:51)
Is that on speaker?

[Speaker 4] (16:56 - 17:12)
But bottom line you cannot have double mitigation you cannot pay two times the fee and the worst part is that you sponsor connects to lenders so regardless whether we just pay the person that will connect sometimes so is this that's that's how

[Speaker 2] (17:14 - 17:17)
I usually just view. I'm sure the policy says that it did.

[Speaker 2] (17:17 - 17:19)
So I don't think it's a problem.

[Speaker 2] (17:19 - 17:23)
I see your issue is that you've got this letter that says they get paid.

[Speaker 6] (17:24 - 17:25)
Yeah, we have to say it's his lunch.

[Speaker 6] (17:26 - 17:27)
Oh, you've got it in the letter.

[Speaker 1] (17:30 - 17:38)
This is related to some author related to writing and editing. This is a common concern and connecting directly to the sewer system.

[Speaker 1] (17:39 - 18:03)
So it really does have to do with runoff and because it's so severe generally understood to be groundwater and rainwater that enter the sewer system through a variety of pathways including structural defects pipelines and manholes offset slip joints between pipe segments and direct or indirect connection between the storm drain and sewer network

[Speaker 1] (18:04 - 18:09)
Filtration and inflow sources are pervasive and requires extensive resources.

[Speaker 1] (18:11 - 18:17)
Ah, da-da-da, testing developed, so can't maintain specific drainage pump, some pumps under date.

[Speaker 1] (18:17 - 18:21)
The AI research response has led to a multitude of issues.

[Speaker 1] (18:21 - 18:22)
So anyway,

[Speaker 1] (18:22 - 18:28)
during the public health, let's see, the town has decided to implement a new offset policy.

[Speaker 1] (18:30 - 18:31)
Let's see.

[Speaker 1] (18:33 - 18:36)
They're saying it's in the National Building Code as well.

[Speaker 1] (18:37 - 18:54)
Mandate communities that are permitted under an NDPS permit with a combined sewer system or co-permittee of that same permit mitigate the impacts of any new sewer connections or extensions where proposed allows to see.

[Speaker 1] (18:56 - 19:02)
The policy is applicable to all proposed projects seeking a new building permit.

[Speaker 1] (19:03 - 19:07)
The IFP will be calculated based on the net addition of hydrology.

[Speaker 1] (19:08 - 19:10)
Basis for calculating this rate.

[Speaker 1] (19:11 - 19:22)
The town has the ultimate authority in approving the applicability of Title V unit flow rates for proposed self-consumption.

[Speaker 1] (19:26 - 19:37)
Look, I would I have to I would defer to the building department and the Department of Public Works about this, you know, whether or not approved

[Speaker 4] (19:37 - 19:47)
Gina already was if you read what the waiver that Gina said that he approved it but he couldn't I don't know there's some language there in a theoretic race.

[Speaker 1] (19:47 - 19:48)
what?

[Speaker 4] (19:49 - 19:50)
not paying the ironite

[Speaker 1] (19:50 - 19:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (19:51 - 19:51)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (19:51 - 19:52)
he approved a wafer.

[Speaker 4] (19:52 - 19:54)
the waiver but they said that

[Speaker 1] (19:58 - 20:02)
the town hall where somebody else on the letter says

[Speaker 2] (20:02 - 20:02)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (20:02 - 20:02)
that.

[Speaker 2] (20:02 - 20:04)
they want us to correct the decision.

[Speaker 1] (20:04 - 20:05)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (20:05 - 20:05)
Is that it?

[Speaker 1] (20:05 - 20:07)
That's what that's exactly what

[Speaker 2] (20:07 - 20:07)
he But

[Speaker 1] (20:07 - 20:07)
said.

[Speaker 2] (20:07 - 20:10)
Gino, do we have a letter from Gino that's

[Speaker 1] (20:10 - 20:10)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (20:10 - 20:10)
okay so

[Speaker 1] (20:10 - 20:11)
it is in your letter.

[Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:12)
It says that he has.

[Speaker 2] (20:12 - 20:15)
let me see if I can find it.

[Speaker 1] (20:18 - 20:19)
It's a bit

[Speaker 3] (20:19 - 20:22)
we have that much we have no better for bread i mean

[Speaker 2] (20:22 - 20:26)
Gina did attend the pre-application meeting last week.

[Speaker 1] (20:27 - 20:28)
Then what I said

[Speaker 3] (20:29 - 20:40)
if what if what you want us to i think something we'd like to be comfortable saying is that you know making just an amendment saying you know subject to any waiver granted by uh you know it's what we want yes

[Speaker 3] (20:43 - 20:44)
This place would

[Speaker 2] (20:44 - 20:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (20:44 - 20:44)
have been so much

[Speaker 2] (20:44 - 20:45)
because it's not very convenient.

[Speaker 2] (20:45 - 20:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (20:46 - 20:54)
Yeah, so I think so but I mean that's what that's what I think would be appropriate here I don't want to totally re-board this, but I think I you could have language saying,

[Speaker 3] (20:54 - 20:55)
you know subject to

[Speaker 3] (20:56 - 20:58)
waivers by the Department of Public Health.

[Speaker 1] (20:58 - 20:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (21:01 - 21:02)
Yep, I'm comfortable with that.

[Speaker 1] (21:04 - 21:05)
I'm alright with that.

[Speaker 2] (21:05 - 21:12)
I mean, you know, it's a policy. So INI is not something that's embedded in the zoning bylaw.

[Speaker 2] (21:12 - 21:25)
It's a town policy, so it's really managed by the engineering, you know, building department and something that they call the shots on and, you know, we're just obligated to include it.

[Speaker 3] (21:26 - 21:30)
So I think it actually says that you don't smoke either.

[Speaker 3] (21:32 - 21:34)
You think that you should come forward with your

[Speaker 1] (21:34 - 21:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (21:34 - 21:38)
camera pointed slightly differently than this one right now.

[Speaker 3] (21:39 - 21:42)
So that's a good point.

[Speaker 3] (21:42 - 21:43)
So that's a good point.

[Speaker 3] (21:43 - 21:46)
So I'm still comfortable in the conditioning,

[Speaker 3] (21:46 - 21:48)
but yeah, I don't know if you think it would fire.

[Speaker 3] (21:49 - 21:50)
So it's a little broken.

[Speaker 3] (21:50 - 21:54)
You basically can come through us and we sleep and we'll order.

[Speaker 1] (21:55 - 21:55)
You

[Speaker 2] (21:55 - 22:07)
there's still an active American or so you know like we like you met I think the way you wrote it you know

[Speaker 3] (22:07 - 22:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (22:07 - 22:08)
you

[Speaker 3] (22:08 - 22:11)
I think that's, I think, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (22:11 - 22:14)
know there's the waiver is in place and this left one for the

[Speaker 3] (22:14 - 22:14)
right,

[Speaker 2] (22:14 - 22:19)
waiver and you know it's kind of gone through all the proper channels and we can both we can modify the language

[Speaker 3] (22:19 - 22:20)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (22:21 - 22:24)
The correction of roadway improvement description,

[Speaker 3] (22:24 - 22:25)
this is number three.

[Speaker 3] (22:26 - 22:26)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (22:26 - 22:30)
and this says that as it approved the subdivision process,

[Speaker 3] (22:30 - 22:34)
the case had firm was accepted as the roadway and is treated to move during urban.

[Speaker 3] (22:34 - 22:42)
We respectfully request that the planning work clarify the approved roadway improvements are those shown on the defendant subdivision plan and improved engineering drawings,

[Speaker 3] (22:42 - 22:44)
including the improved gate path, and I think that's right.

[Speaker 2] (22:44 - 22:45)
That is

[Speaker 3] (22:45 - 22:45)
That

[Speaker 2] (22:45 - 22:45)
right.

[Speaker 3] (22:45 - 22:46)
is correct.

[Speaker 2] (22:46 - 22:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (22:46 - 22:49)
I remember we said you could do sidewalk on one side,

[Speaker 2] (22:49 - 22:50)
outside side,

[Speaker 3] (22:50 - 22:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (22:50 - 22:53)
that we gave you a waiver on the way.

[Speaker 2] (22:52 - 22:58)
the width of the roadway and we also gave you a waiver on even with that I forget

[Speaker 3] (22:58 - 23:00)
The wafer starting at the end of the line provided the

[Speaker 2] (23:00 - 23:00)
and

[Speaker 3] (23:00 - 23:00)
gentleman.

[Speaker 2] (23:00 - 23:08)
I remember that we did say okay to make it code firm so but that's correct I think this was yeah

[Speaker 3] (23:09 - 23:11)
Okay, and was that just left out of the procedure

[Speaker 2] (23:11 - 23:12)
No, I think

[Speaker 3] (23:12 - 23:12)
or

[Speaker 2] (23:12 - 23:21)
kind of a more standard language and for the street was just plugged in there and not and then whatever right,

[Speaker 3] (23:21 - 23:22)
In that letter, but not anything

[Speaker 2] (23:22 - 23:22)
whatever

[Speaker 3] (23:22 - 23:22)
else.

[Speaker 2] (23:22 - 23:26)
was supposed to be handed to Ted, you know, to sign and,

[Speaker 2] (23:26 - 23:31)
you know, he obviously made the assumption that the letter was accurate.

[Speaker 3] (23:31 - 23:36)
I don't even think it was in the decision. I think they just got a subsequent letter that just said.

[Speaker 3] (23:35 - 23:40)
just said hey you have to put in Brandon Kirby I think it was just that's exactly what happened yeah to

[Speaker 2] (23:40 - 23:41)
Okay, okay,

[Speaker 3] (23:41 - 23:57)
it's just it was just an error that's all right, fine and so then for number four I think we've already addressed this this is just going through I think where we've sort of

[Speaker 3] (23:59 - 24:15)
The conversation we just had is that there's no change required for number one for number two We'll amend the language on the I and I feed to just say that it's subject to any waivers granted by the Department of Public Works or the select board is applicable and

[Speaker 2] (24:15 - 24:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (24:16 - 24:16)
for three

[Speaker 2] (24:16 - 24:16)
exactly.

[Speaker 3] (24:16 - 24:21)
we will I guess believe it's induced I guess we'll just reiterate

[Speaker 3] (24:24 - 24:25)
This because the decision

[Speaker 2] (24:25 - 24:25)
Is

[Speaker 3] (24:25 - 24:25)
that the

[Speaker 2] (24:25 - 24:27)
the decision correct?

[Speaker 3] (24:27 - 24:29)
decision is correct and the plans are correct.

[Speaker 2] (24:29 - 24:32)
Okay. Well then we'll just say reaffirm, reaffirm. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (24:32 - 24:33)
Reaffirm the decision.

[Speaker 2] (24:33 - 24:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (24:34 - 24:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (24:34 - 24:42)
Because then in that case it was, you know, rich was just looking at kind of our standard street requirements. So that that makes sense.

[Speaker 3] (24:44 - 24:45)
Any other questions from the board?

[Speaker 2] (24:46 - 24:49)
Yeah. I mean, just in terms of completing the roadway, I don't see.

[Speaker 2] (24:50 - 25:00)
up i don't first i don't think that that's something that we can do it's not something that i think we even have the authority way yeah

[Speaker 3] (25:00 - 25:01)
I don't think so.

[Speaker 1] (25:02 - 25:04)
I don't know, we're not trying to get away.

[Speaker 1] (25:05 - 25:06)
I think that the language,

[Speaker 1] (25:06 - 25:06)
and

[Speaker 2] (25:06 - 25:06)
you're

[Speaker 1] (25:06 - 25:07)
with

[Speaker 2] (25:07 - 25:09)
hoping to say that look the bonds in place we

[Speaker 1] (25:09 - 25:10)
the money place.

[Speaker 2] (25:10 - 25:15)
just want the to do i understand i just don't think that we can do that

[Speaker 2] (25:15 - 25:19)
You know, I think it's really tied to the completion of the road.

[Speaker 1] (25:19 - 25:20)
Which is fine.

[Speaker 2] (25:20 - 25:21)
So I just,

[Speaker 2] (25:21 - 25:25)
it's not, we're not trying to be difficult, but that subdivision control is not even something,

[Speaker 2] (25:25 - 25:28)
I mean, we just, whatever the state says is what we do.

[Speaker 1] (25:29 - 25:32)
Regardless of that, we cannot tell without this.

[Speaker 2] (25:32 - 25:33)
Understand, understood.

[Speaker 3] (25:33 - 25:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (25:33 - 25:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (25:34 - 25:35)
but,

[Speaker 2] (25:35 - 25:36)
you know, yeah,

[Speaker 2] (25:36 - 25:37)
I understand.

[Speaker 3] (25:41 - 25:45)
Any I'll just close this part of the hearing see if there's any public comment.

[Speaker 2] (25:47 - 25:49)
So this is actually an administrative decision.

[Speaker 3] (25:49 - 25:49)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 2] (25:49 - 25:53)
So I know we do have some interested people.

[Speaker 3] (25:53 - 25:53)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (25:53 - 25:58)
You could potentially open it up, but it wasn't noticed for public hearing.

[Speaker 3] (25:59 - 26:01)
I mean if we don't have to open it up then fine

[Speaker 2] (26:03 - 26:03)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (26:03 - 26:04)
that's fine.

[Speaker 2] (26:04 - 26:05)
That's fine.

[Speaker 3] (26:05 - 26:06)
Thank you. Okay,

[Speaker 3] (26:06 - 26:07)
so so then

[Speaker 3] (26:09 - 26:11)
Even though we're handling it administratively.

[Speaker 2] (26:11 - 26:16)
We could see if Rich or Ted want to chime in since they're on the call.

[Speaker 4] (26:19 - 26:21)
No, I'm satisfied.

[Speaker 2] (26:22 - 26:22)
Sorry,

[Speaker 2] (26:23 - 26:24)
we can't hear you. Hold on one second.

[Speaker 4] (26:27 - 26:29)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 2] (26:32 - 26:33)
Try one more time.

[Speaker 2] (26:33 - 26:33)
Sorry,

[Speaker 2] (26:33 - 26:34)
Rich.

[Speaker 4] (26:35 - 26:36)
Hello, can you hear me?

[Speaker 3] (26:36 - 26:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (26:37 - 26:38)
You can?

[Speaker 4] (26:40 - 26:43)
Yeah, thank you guys for taking the time.

[Speaker 4] (26:44 - 26:50)
Like Chris Druka said prior to the meeting,

[Speaker 4] (26:50 - 26:52)
I didn't have access to the...

[Speaker 4] (26:54 - 26:57)
To the final waivers that were allowed,

[Speaker 4] (26:58 - 27:00)
I just actually saw them today.

[Speaker 4] (27:00 - 27:07)
I saw a copy because I think Chris produced a copy for the client. So it answered a lot of questions.

[Speaker 4] (27:08 - 27:20)
And my only other comment in terms of public safety is I would be hesitant to issue a certificate of occupancy, which allows somebody to do that.

[Speaker 4] (27:20 - 27:25)
to buy the house and live in the house without the road being finished.

[Speaker 4] (27:25 - 27:29)
I mean there's a there's a requirement for a hammerhead at the end of the road.

[Speaker 4] (27:29 - 27:31)
The road should be finished.

[Speaker 4] (27:31 - 27:45)
There's a gully on one side of that that I've seen today that you know an EMT could could drive down the road and roll over so I think it demands more state of finished.

[Speaker 4] (27:45 - 27:57)
And we'll revisit the certificate of occupancy with the nod to public safety.

[Speaker 2] (27:59 - 28:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (28:03 - 28:03)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 3] (28:05 - 28:08)
Then do I have a question?

[Speaker 2] (28:12 - 28:32)
uh through administratively they're changing us to um the i guess it's the decision for um uh it's petition number 2568 for five manson road um noting that why don't we just conclude what you just

[Speaker 3] (28:32 - 28:34)
Noting that

[Speaker 3] (28:37 - 28:53)
The requirement to comply with the INA fee will be subject to waivers, to comply with the INA policy will be subject to waivers by the Department of Public Works or the Select Board is applicable and I guess reiterating the King

[Speaker 2] (28:53 - 28:54)
Yeah, well,

[Speaker 3] (28:54 - 28:54)
cover.

[Speaker 2] (28:55 - 29:03)
recap King Godburn was the approved form of sidewalk construction and that

[Speaker 2] (29:04 - 29:12)
And that we cannot issue or we cannot ask the building department to issue a certificate of lock and proceed without the road being complete.

[Speaker 3] (29:14 - 29:15)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (29:15 - 29:16)
All those in favor?

[Speaker 2] (29:17 - 29:19)
I think they should say aye or abstain.

[Speaker 3] (29:19 - 29:20)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (29:20 - 29:20)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (29:20 - 29:22)
Okay, thanks. Good luck.

[Speaker 3] (29:22 - 29:23)
Appreciate you guys.

[Speaker 3] (29:23 - 29:24)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (29:29 - 29:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (29:31 - 29:32)
Me, me, me.

[Speaker 3] (29:33 - 29:35)
Next item we have to be tonight is

[Speaker 4] (29:35 - 29:35)
Thanks,

[Speaker 3] (29:35 - 29:36)
a

[Speaker 4] (29:36 - 29:36)
Christopher.

[Speaker 3] (29:36 - 29:43)
public hearing on the draft smart growth zoning district.

[Speaker 3] (29:48 - 29:49)
Chris, how do you want to handle that?

[Speaker 2] (29:49 - 29:52)
Yes, so I can give a presentation,

[Speaker 2] (29:52 - 29:54)
so I will share my screen.

[Speaker 2] (29:55 - 29:58)
And then this is,

[Speaker 2] (29:58 - 29:59)
oh, do you need that?

[Speaker 1] (30:07 - 30:09)
I could ask about switching without wondering.

[Speaker 1] (30:10 - 30:10)
Ah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (30:12 - 30:14)
あ、ごめんなさい

[Speaker 3] (30:14 - 30:15)
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (30:15 - 30:16)
I don't know what it is.

[Speaker 4] (30:16 - 30:17)
I want you to agree.

[Speaker 4] (30:18 - 30:18)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (30:18 - 30:20)
Yeah, I think they want to talk

[Speaker 4] (30:20 - 30:20)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (30:20 - 30:20)
about,

[Speaker 4] (30:20 - 30:21)
so you

[Speaker 1] (30:21 - 30:21)
what do you think?

[Speaker 4] (30:21 - 30:23)
want to, I think, sure,

[Speaker 4] (30:23 - 30:25)
do you want to do this later?

[Speaker 1] (30:26 - 30:27)
I think we might.

[Speaker 4] (30:27 - 30:27)
Smart Growth,

[Speaker 4] (30:27 - 30:28)
I think we could,

[Speaker 2] (30:29 - 30:30)
I can move it now.

[Speaker 4] (30:30 - 30:32)
Whatever, then we can flip the other two ahead,

[Speaker 4] (30:32 - 30:33)
whatever you think.

[Speaker 4] (30:33 - 30:39)
What do you think about moving these two here because it makes more sense if we're going to discuss.

[Speaker 1] (30:42 - 30:43)
Oh, discuss all

[Speaker 4] (30:43 - 30:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (30:43 - 30:43)
the amendments?

[Speaker 4] (30:43 - 30:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (30:44 - 30:44)
I think

[Speaker 4] (30:44 - 30:46)
Just have I.

[Speaker 1] (30:46 - 30:47)
that's fine.

[Speaker 1] (30:48 - 30:57)
And I guess if we, if it's okay since we have all the tree committee folks here, should we just get out one?

[Speaker 4] (30:57 - 30:58)
The final amendment.

[Speaker 1] (30:58 - 31:00)
Okay, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (31:00 - 31:01)
Should we do that?

[Speaker 4] (31:01 - 31:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (31:02 - 31:03)
I think that's fine.

[Speaker 4] (31:03 - 31:04)
Might make more sense to do that.

[Speaker 4] (31:05 - 31:06)
It's not a discussion we have.

[Speaker 4] (31:07 - 31:09)
Chad's are welcome to move

[Speaker 1] (31:09 - 31:09)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (31:09 - 31:09)
it. Well,

[Speaker 4] (31:09 - 31:11)
if you're comfortable where you are,

[Speaker 4] (31:11 - 31:11)
that's fine.

[Speaker 4] (31:12 - 31:12)
We can all

[Speaker 1] (31:12 - 31:12)
So

[Speaker 4] (31:12 - 31:13)
hear you.

[Speaker 1] (31:13 - 31:14)
let's just take a step back.

[Speaker 1] (31:15 - 31:25)
So we'll close that part of the hearing for the moment. And the next item on the agenda will be the discussion of the.

[Speaker 1] (31:26 - 31:44)
by the tree committee or discussion with representatives of the tree committee and possible vote regarding proposed zoning bylaw amendments section 3310 general landscaping and screening requirements site and plan review procedures and opportunities for any review problem my

[Speaker 1] (31:45 - 31:51)
name my name is Brian Grumman I'm a member of the tree committee and this came about because there's a

[Speaker 1] (31:51 - 31:59)
dead trees and pin in square and we asked Kristen can you pick the

[Speaker 2] (31:59 - 31:59)
Yep

[Speaker 1] (31:59 - 32:17)
picture up so we asked the building inspector to enforce paragraph which went 1.1.0 on landscaping to tell the owners of the property that they have to remove the dead trees and plant new ones

[Speaker 1] (32:18 - 32:18)
And so

[Speaker 4] (32:18 - 32:18)
Are

[Speaker 1] (32:18 - 32:19)
this

[Speaker 4] (32:19 - 32:22)
you talking about the Swampscott Mall side or the Bennett Square side?

[Speaker 1] (32:23 - 32:38)
is where gourmet gardening is and where citizen bank is but they had issues on the Marshall side also so that's it so this is a great picture that that that picture was taken today that tree's been dead for a number of years

[Speaker 4] (32:39 - 32:41)
Okay, this property that's on,

[Speaker 1] (32:41 - 32:41)
And

[Speaker 4] (32:41 - 32:42)
it

[Speaker 1] (32:42 - 32:43)
that's Gourmet Garden.

[Speaker 4] (32:43 - 32:44)
is gourmet garden,

[Speaker 1] (32:44 - 32:44)
Sigh.

[Speaker 4] (32:44 - 32:45)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (32:45 - 32:45)
Sigh.

[Speaker 4] (32:45 - 32:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (32:46 - 32:53)
And so that I think that one isn't, I think that one's quite a bit like brought up for the, so Richard,

[Speaker 4] (32:53 - 32:53)
ATM.

[Speaker 1] (32:53 - 33:00)
well what I'll tell you is that the building inspector wrote two letters to the other debtries there to say,

[Speaker 1] (33:00 - 33:01)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (33:01 - 33:04)
And then he asked a great, he pictured.

[Speaker 1] (33:06 - 33:15)
asked a great question he said that's about a seven inch diameter tree this

[Speaker 1] (33:17 - 33:23)
bylaw doesn't specify whether they have to replace it with a seven inch diameter tree or

[Speaker 4] (33:23 - 33:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (33:24 - 33:31)
they can go with a one inch diameter tree so you know his recommendation that we work on a bylaws

[Speaker 1] (33:32 - 33:35)
change to address that and the same piece

[Speaker 4] (33:35 - 33:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (33:35 - 33:57)
of information so the pre-committee you meet once a month and we probably spent three months coming up with words and we announced them up Marcy and Krista and Richard and Gino and so we have we the pre-committee voted on a set of words to add to the end of paragraph

[Speaker 1] (33:59 - 34:23)
3.1 7.0 and if you have it in your package but it but it the end of 3.3.1.0 sentences in all landscaping areas shall be regularly maintained including for example covered watering plants weeding fruiting and replacement with dead plantings

[Speaker 5] (34:24 - 34:28)
So we the pre-committee voted on these words at our last meeting.

[Speaker 5] (34:28 - 34:30)
When replacing a dead tree,

[Speaker 5] (34:30 - 34:36)
the new tree must be the same caliber as diameter for trees up to three inches in diameter.

[Speaker 5] (34:37 - 34:45)
If that creature moved of more than three inch diameter, the owner must plant a tree of two to three inch diameter must donate to the town either

[Speaker 5] (34:46 - 34:48)
Trees are two to three inch caliber,

[Speaker 5] (34:48 - 35:05)
which again the total of the damper and removed tree were donated to the tree fund at the rate of $200 per inch and then there's an example which some people say we should have or should not have and then it's

[Speaker 5] (35:07 - 35:32)
tree caliber must be measured four and a half feet above the ground so we're basically saying if you have a dead a seven inch diameter dead tree you can replace it with a three inch diameter tree but that difference of four inches to get you seven you have to either have two more trees of two inches each to come up with a seven inch total or you have and donate to the tree fund

[Speaker 5] (35:33 - 35:45)
have a rate of $200 per inch but you have to come up with the seven inch equivalent either by three diameters or dollars.

[Speaker 1] (35:46 - 35:51)
Now when we're talking about seven inches, seven is the maximum you would be doing this up to?

[Speaker 5] (35:51 - 35:51)
No.

[Speaker 1] (35:51 - 35:56)
Because I'm thinking of some of the beach trees that are disease and down right now.

[Speaker 5] (35:56 - 35:58)
This is just, this is because of parking lines.

[Speaker 5] (35:58 - 35:59)
This is just.

[Speaker 5] (35:59 - 36:00)
It's not street Okay, trees.

[Speaker 1] (36:00 - 36:02)
this is not street trees,

[Speaker 1] (36:02 - 36:03)
this is strictly just

[Speaker 4] (36:03 - 36:05)
So privately owned trees.

[Speaker 1] (36:05 - 36:08)
But when we say privately owned,

[Speaker 4] (36:08 - 36:09)
Well privately,

[Speaker 4] (36:09 - 36:10)
you know, in other words,

[Speaker 4] (36:10 - 36:13)
the lot owner owns the tree.

[Speaker 1] (36:13 - 36:17)
Okay, land within residential ownership.

[Speaker 1] (36:17 - 36:18)
It's just part of it.

[Speaker 2] (36:18 - 36:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (36:18 - 36:20)
It's just part of it.

[Speaker 5] (36:20 - 36:24)
And the tree could be more than seven inches in diameter.

[Speaker 5] (36:25 - 36:25)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (36:25 - 36:28)
Okay, but if it's more than seven inch diameter,

[Speaker 4] (36:28 - 36:29)
what's the chart here?

[Speaker 4] (36:29 - 36:30)
Because those,

[Speaker 4] (36:30 - 36:32)
you know, first of all, let me just ask you this.

[Speaker 4] (36:32 - 36:36)
Did you speak to, and maybe one of you is a landscape architect,

[Speaker 4] (36:36 - 36:45)
but did you speak to a landscape architect about, you know, the feasibility of finding replacement trees of a certain caliber?

[Speaker 5] (36:46 - 36:46)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (36:46 - 36:47)
Because

[Speaker 5] (36:47 - 36:47)
it's

[Speaker 4] (36:47 - 36:48)
that's kind of hard to do.

[Speaker 5] (36:48 - 36:49)
hard to do,

[Speaker 5] (36:49 - 36:50)
but

[Speaker 5] (36:50 - 36:56)
You know, it's doable but very expensive if you get a cure by a

[Speaker 4] (36:56 - 36:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (36:56 - 36:57)
seven climate tree. It's very expensive.

[Speaker 4] (36:57 - 36:58)
Yeah. And,

[Speaker 1] (36:58 - 36:58)
And

[Speaker 4] (36:58 - 36:59)
oh,

[Speaker 1] (36:59 - 37:12)
a number of these trees that have died were planted at a large diameter because they are the trees that were planted when the property owner had without permit cut down a bunch

[Speaker 4] (37:12 - 37:13)
it's

[Speaker 1] (37:13 - 37:13)
of

[Speaker 4] (37:13 - 37:13)
all trees down.

[Speaker 1] (37:13 - 37:13)
cut

[Speaker 4] (37:13 - 37:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (37:14 - 37:15)
them all down,

[Speaker 1] (37:15 - 37:17)
and then he was forced by the town to pull in.

[Speaker 1] (37:18 - 37:18)
um

[Speaker 4] (37:18 - 37:18)
really

[Speaker 1] (37:18 - 37:18)
large

[Speaker 4] (37:18 - 37:19)
big yeah

[Speaker 1] (37:19 - 37:22)
diameter trees and they didn't survive

[Speaker 4] (37:22 - 37:26)
they that's a lot of fail because it was bigger they were the the copper

[Speaker 1] (37:26 - 37:26)
so

[Speaker 4] (37:26 - 37:28)
that's what happened that was that was a big

[Speaker 5] (37:28 - 37:35)
so this is sort of a softer approach than what happened at that time if you could bring the picture back up

[Speaker 1] (37:35 - 37:43)
and this wouldn't get like what happened that time has to do with not a tree dying a tree being

[Speaker 1] (37:43 - 37:44)
Illegally removed.

[Speaker 5] (37:45 - 37:52)
Yeah, and you know, so this is what I call the forever dead tree that's been here.

[Speaker 5] (37:53 - 37:54)
Eastern Bank is here.

[Speaker 5] (37:56 - 37:56)
It's

[Speaker 1] (37:56 - 38:00)
It's hard to see enough that the pop real.

[Speaker 5] (38:00 - 38:01)
right.

[Speaker 5] (38:01 - 38:01)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (38:01 - 38:03)
this tree here is also dead.

[Speaker 4] (38:04 - 38:05)
Right, so that was one of the big ones

[Speaker 1] (38:05 - 38:05)
That

[Speaker 4] (38:05 - 38:06)
they put

[Speaker 1] (38:06 - 38:06)
was

[Speaker 4] (38:06 - 38:06)
in.

[Speaker 1] (38:06 - 38:06)
one of the This big ones.

[Speaker 4] (38:06 - 38:08)
was several years back.

[Speaker 5] (38:08 - 38:10)
And then there's some good trees beyond that,

[Speaker 5] (38:10 - 38:12)
but I think this might have been one of the trees

[Speaker 4] (38:12 - 38:12)
I

[Speaker 5] (38:12 - 38:13)
that you're

[Speaker 4] (38:13 - 38:13)
think

[Speaker 5] (38:13 - 38:13)
referencing.

[Speaker 4] (38:13 - 38:15)
on the Esplanade Mall side,

[Speaker 4] (38:15 - 38:29)
the owner went to, when the mascot was doing all the road work and they told him they were going to take down his trees because they were putting the sidewalk right through there.

[Speaker 4] (38:30 - 38:44)
You know, he actually gave them that piece of his land so that they if they promised to leave the trees in place and protect the trees and you'll notice if you're right in front of well before you make that right hand turn into Bennett Square,

[Speaker 4] (38:44 - 38:46)
you know, Saucon Mall.

[Speaker 4] (38:46 - 38:49)
So in other words, Starbucks is kind of direct,

[Speaker 4] (38:49 - 38:50)
you know, hard right.

[Speaker 4] (38:51 - 38:54)
The sidewalk actually juts out and goes around the tree,

[Speaker 4] (38:54 - 38:57)
and that's because he protected those streets.

[Speaker 4] (38:58 - 39:08)
So there's the other thing you might want to point out is that anything that's under construction right now that's in an active site plan,

[Speaker 5] (39:08 - 39:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (39:08 - 39:08)
I

[Speaker 5] (39:08 - 39:09)
we're not doing

[Speaker 4] (39:09 - 39:10)
think should be disregarded. Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (39:10 - 39:11)
we're not doing this because the

[Speaker 4] (39:11 - 39:12)
because they're in they're actually part

[Speaker 5] (39:12 - 39:12)
light

[Speaker 4] (39:12 - 39:13)
of

[Speaker 5] (39:13 - 39:13)
the has been

[Speaker 4] (39:13 - 39:13)
landscape plan.

[Speaker 5] (39:13 - 39:15)
written on.

[Speaker 5] (39:16 - 39:16)
Those two

[Speaker 4] (39:16 - 39:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (39:16 - 39:17)
decks that

[Speaker 4] (39:17 - 39:17)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (39:17 - 39:17)
you're worried

[Speaker 4] (39:17 - 39:18)
got it.

[Speaker 5] (39:18 - 39:18)
about,

[Speaker 4] (39:18 - 39:18)
Got it.

[Speaker 5] (39:18 - 39:20)
there's one right across

[Speaker 4] (39:20 - 39:20)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (39:20 - 39:20)
the road,

[Speaker 4] (39:20 - 39:21)
that makes sense.

[Speaker 5] (39:21 - 39:21)
and

[Speaker 4] (39:21 - 39:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (39:21 - 39:23)
I haven't heard,

[Speaker 5] (39:25 - 39:30)
the trees are still standing, I haven't heard, you know, when they're going to be cut down and replaced,

[Speaker 5] (39:31 - 39:32)
but Richard Fuddle,

[Speaker 5] (39:32 - 39:34)
it's a building inspector, has written letters

[Speaker 4] (39:34 - 39:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (39:34 - 39:36)
informing their things,

[Speaker 5] (39:36 - 39:37)
owners to

[Speaker 4] (39:37 - 39:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (39:38 - 39:39)
get to do something about

[Speaker 4] (39:39 - 39:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (39:39 - 39:39)
the fire.

[Speaker 1] (39:40 - 39:41)
So we're looking for,

[Speaker 4] (39:41 - 39:41)
Back

[Speaker 1] (39:41 - 39:42)
let's

[Speaker 4] (39:42 - 39:42)
to the bylaws.

[Speaker 1] (39:42 - 39:44)
let them, let's let,

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:44)
let's.

[Speaker 3] (39:45 - 39:46)
Joe just finish the presentation.

[Speaker 2] (39:46 - 39:47)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 1] (39:49 - 39:58)
So I was going to say, we're just looking for input and a vote for input and suggested modifications and then.

[Speaker 1] (39:59 - 40:03)
The other separate question is a process question,

[Speaker 1] (40:03 - 40:08)
which is our assumption is that you're the governing body that votes on bylaw change.

[Speaker 4] (40:09 - 40:10)
That's right.

[Speaker 1] (40:11 - 40:14)
So we're going to need your vote at some point, hopefully tonight.

[Speaker 1] (40:15 - 40:23)
But then the question I'm going to have is that what other committees do we need approval and votes from, i.e.

[Speaker 1] (40:24 - 40:27)
The finance committee, because there's money involved here,

[Speaker 1] (40:27 - 40:31)
or do we need, it's like, do we need to hold a public hearing?

[Speaker 1] (40:32 - 40:36)
Those are the process questions for the pre-committee.

[Speaker 3] (40:37 - 40:37)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (40:38 - 40:40)
so yeah, so like Angela said,

[Speaker 3] (40:40 - 40:49)
it needs to select board and then eventually what we have to do is we're making a whole list of proposed amendments to the bylaw.

[Speaker 3] (40:49 - 40:53)
And those would all have to ultimately be voted on at town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (40:54 - 40:54)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (40:54 - 41:13)
so we've been working through this for three months and a lot of input and people have suggested that we might need added words that deal with rounding relative to the true seven and a half inches in diameter.

[Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:20)
You know, are we doing that? Are we random around each and there is a whole number.

[Speaker 1] (41:20 - 41:29)
There's people who have said we may need, you know, inflation clause in there somewhere to adjust in the $200 per engine.

[Speaker 1] (41:30 - 41:39)
And some inflation factor over time and some people have said that we should take the dollars out completely because they belong someplace else in the bylaw.

[Speaker 1] (41:39 - 41:40)
I don't know anything.

[Speaker 3] (41:41 - 41:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (41:42 - 41:43)
so I think on those points,

[Speaker 3] (41:43 - 41:46)
it probably makes sense to take the bees out.

[Speaker 3] (41:46 - 41:48)
I know Chris in particular

[Speaker 5] (41:48 - 41:48)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (41:48 - 41:58)
said revise the Yep. language and I was thinking that the way I was thinking that the process would work was that we'd hear you, we'd ask questions,

[Speaker 3] (41:58 - 42:03)
we'd give our input and that eventually this will all go.

[Speaker 3] (42:04 - 42:06)
You know, we're not going to go into the actual language tonight,

[Speaker 3] (42:06 - 42:17)
but I guess we could, you know, we'll just discuss it conceptually and then this would be one of the zoning bylaw amendments that would get.

[Speaker 3] (42:18 - 42:23)
before that down the meeting assuming we can agree on language and it goes through the process and gets that

[Speaker 6] (42:23 - 42:23)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (42:23 - 42:23)
point yes

[Speaker 6] (42:23 - 42:28)
And I can speak a little bit to the comments that SAP gave earlier this week.

[Speaker 6] (42:28 - 42:38)
So we received the draft language, which is this original proposed language and gave a few comments. The first one being

[Speaker 6] (42:39 - 42:43)
This defines how you measure tree caliper,

[Speaker 6] (42:43 - 42:46)
but that is already defined in Section 3314.

[Speaker 6] (42:47 - 42:51)
So instead of defining it, referencing 3314,

[Speaker 6] (42:51 - 42:52)
and through that discussion,

[Speaker 6] (42:52 - 42:59)
you've asked to also be changing 3314 if we're going to reference it from 4 to 4.5 feet for where you're measuring.

[Speaker 1] (43:01 - 43:02)
By law, I'm pretty sure.

[Speaker 1] (43:03 - 43:04)
Oh, it's the numbers one.

[Speaker 1] (43:05 - 43:06)
It's four and a half, eight and nine.

[Speaker 1] (43:07 - 43:07)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (43:07 - 43:07)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (43:07 - 43:07)
it does.

[Speaker 1] (43:08 - 43:08)
It's four and three.

[Speaker 1] (43:09 - 43:09)
It's four and a half.

[Speaker 7] (43:10 - 43:12)
Oh, born out from ground up.

[Speaker 3] (43:12 - 43:12)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (43:12 - 43:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (43:12 - 43:12)
So,

[Speaker 3] (43:12 - 43:13)
I guess that's what this

[Speaker 6] (43:13 - 43:27)
this first bullet based off of this back and forth would be to amend Section 3314 as well as the section that we're adding to change it from four feet to 4.5 feet for measures.

[Speaker 3] (43:27 - 43:28)
is already a parent,

[Speaker 3] (43:28 - 43:33)
I think that we've lost, did we lose the connection of the, I don't know,

[Speaker 6] (43:33 - 43:33)
it Oh,

[Speaker 3] (43:33 - 43:33)
says we're still sharing.

[Speaker 6] (43:33 - 43:34)
no,

[Speaker 6] (43:34 - 43:35)
so sorry,

[Speaker 6] (43:35 - 43:36)
I'm just sharing the screen,

[Speaker 6] (43:36 - 43:36)
but I put it full.

[Speaker 6] (43:36 - 43:37)
at full screen so you guys

[Speaker 3] (43:37 - 43:37)
No,

[Speaker 6] (43:37 - 43:38)
can read.

[Speaker 3] (43:38 - 43:39)
I know I thought okay

[Speaker 6] (43:41 - 43:43)
So that that was number one.

[Speaker 6] (43:44 - 43:46)
So instead of duplicating the caliper reference,

[Speaker 6] (43:46 - 43:53)
we would instead potentially just reference tree caliper shall be measured in accordance with 3314,

[Speaker 6] (43:53 - 43:57)
which we could update potentially to be 4.5 instead of four.

[Speaker 6] (43:59 - 44:04)
The other one was maybe removing the example,

[Speaker 6] (44:04 - 44:06)
illustrative example from the text,

[Speaker 6] (44:07 - 44:11)
just because that's not typical of zoning language.

[Speaker 6] (44:12 - 44:19)
It's something that we could apply for a policy. We could have it like in a handout or as part of, you know, what we give to people.

[Speaker 6] (44:20 - 44:22)
you know, can't really say, for example, this is

[Speaker 7] (44:22 - 44:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (44:23 - 44:23)
how this

[Speaker 7] (44:23 - 44:24)
better

[Speaker 6] (44:24 - 44:24)
is done.

[Speaker 7] (44:24 - 44:26)
than the body for personal identity.

[Speaker 7] (44:27 - 44:32)
I have a thought on this that can we place a dead tree?

[Speaker 7] (44:32 - 44:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (44:33 - 44:38)
A new tree must be the same caliber for trees up to three inches. Okay,

[Speaker 7] (44:38 - 44:46)
forget trees removed more than three inches. In order to plant a tree two to three inch diameter must donate to the town.

[Speaker 7] (44:47 - 45:02)
either trees of so it's it's a bit punitive right just having them not only do they have to replace it but they have to pay sort of a you know a penalty tree or something like that oh

[Speaker 1] (45:02 - 45:05)
It's supposed to be either or.

[Speaker 7] (45:06 - 45:12)
or which what but they still want to remove the dead tree don't don't we

[Speaker 3] (45:13 - 45:17)
Let's I guess to take a step back right we're only talking about parking lots presumably where

[Speaker 7] (45:17 - 45:18)
or donate.

[Speaker 3] (45:18 - 45:20)
there's already been like an approved

[Speaker 3] (45:21 - 45:23)
permanent somewhere to build that parking

[Speaker 7] (45:23 - 45:23)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (45:23 - 45:23)
lot like

[Speaker 7] (45:23 - 45:23)
there's

[Speaker 3] (45:23 - 45:23)
that's

[Speaker 7] (45:23 - 45:24)
an approved side plan,

[Speaker 7] (45:24 - 45:25)
so yeah.

[Speaker 3] (45:25 - 45:48)
what i'm saying is they're proof safe and so presumably these people are already on note you know it's not like you were just i think getting at like if the resident were like you can't maybe buying a house and then like the tree's dead and all of a sudden you're told you have to replace it but if you're if you're a developer and you developed a parking lot it has a site plan and a landscape plan the tree dies the expectation is that it doesn't get you off the hook like you were just talking about you have to replace that

[Speaker 3] (45:47 - 45:48)
is that tree that's

[Speaker 7] (45:48 - 45:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (45:48 - 45:49)
part of that development so

[Speaker 7] (45:49 - 45:50)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (45:50 - 45:50)
i

[Speaker 7] (45:50 - 45:50)
that's

[Speaker 3] (45:50 - 45:50)
think

[Speaker 7] (45:50 - 45:50)
how it's

[Speaker 3] (45:50 - 45:51)
i

[Speaker 7] (45:51 - 45:52)
an enforcement issue.

[Speaker 3] (45:52 - 46:13)
think i think that's sort of i think that's kind of what you're getting at right these are i mean maybe not always quite the way this is written but i think the the way i was reading it i thought the sentiment was sort of like there are parking lots there are supposed to be trees some of these trees have died the trees are not being replaced there needs to be a way to

[Speaker 3] (46:14 - 46:15)
enforce their replacement.

[Speaker 1] (46:17 - 46:19)
unfortunately maybe maybe

[Speaker 3] (46:19 - 46:20)
More like a contribution.

[Speaker 1] (46:22 - 46:22)
So

[Speaker 7] (46:22 - 46:24)
So that did create,

[Speaker 7] (46:24 - 46:26)
don't we want them to replace

[Speaker 1] (46:26 - 46:28)
Yeah, we want them to replace the tree.

[Speaker 6] (46:28 - 46:29)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 7] (46:29 - 46:31)
But that says old, so.

[Speaker 1] (46:31 - 46:34)
So that's why the example was in there,

[Speaker 6] (46:34 - 46:34)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (46:34 - 46:40)
which was based on a seven inch diameter tree they could put in a three inch tree and then

[Speaker 1] (46:40 - 46:44)
you know donate to the tree gifts but at a rate

[Speaker 7] (46:44 - 46:44)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (46:44 - 46:47)
of two hundred dollars the rest of the for the rest of it yeah

[Speaker 6] (46:47 - 46:47)
So,

[Speaker 1] (46:47 - 46:47)
you're you're

[Speaker 6] (46:47 - 46:54)
so this is following the replacement of dead plantings. So directly after is, is this.

[Speaker 7] (46:54 - 47:00)
together and kind of the diameter of the room it's a little complicated we're donating to the tree

[Speaker 3] (47:00 - 47:02)
yes i think you're going to say yeah

[Speaker 6] (47:02 - 47:02)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (47:02 - 47:03)
i think that's

[Speaker 6] (47:03 - 47:07)
And I, I will say that Saf's last recommendation was to not.

[Speaker 6] (47:07 - 47:09)
put dollar amounts in the zoning

[Speaker 7] (47:09 - 47:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (47:09 - 47:14)
bylaw you would have to amend the zoning bylaw to change fees so um

[Speaker 7] (47:14 - 47:14)
That's a good point.

[Speaker 6] (47:14 - 47:18)
so the last recommendation

[Speaker 1] (47:22 - 47:22)
So,

[Speaker 1] (47:22 - 47:22)
sure.

[Speaker 6] (47:22 - 47:26)
Was to consider referencing the tree gift fund contribution

[Speaker 3] (47:26 - 47:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (47:26 - 47:27)
rather than

[Speaker 3] (47:27 - 47:27)
yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 7] (47:27 - 47:31)
I mean I really think the goal is to get the tree replaced but

[Speaker 6] (47:31 - 47:32)
Yep, right,

[Speaker 3] (47:32 - 47:32)
like, we just

[Speaker 7] (47:32 - 47:37)
maybe if you want to put in a penalty for not doing it I don't know one thing right

[Speaker 3] (47:37 - 47:38)
want to get the trade.

[Speaker 7] (47:38 - 47:42)
but I don't want to give them a choice right of doing that or donating

[Speaker 7] (47:44 - 47:45)
I want the pre-replaced.

[Speaker 3] (47:45 - 47:46)
I don't think we're, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (47:46 - 47:48)
but why is this looking at

[Speaker 7] (47:48 - 47:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (47:48 - 47:49)
the town of this place?

[Speaker 7] (47:49 - 47:49)
well,

[Speaker 7] (47:49 - 47:50)
the

[Speaker 3] (47:50 - 47:50)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (47:50 - 47:50)
pre-replacement.

[Speaker 3] (47:50 - 47:52)
yeah, that makes sense. It's so interesting.

[Speaker 7] (47:52 - 47:55)
I'm just wondering if the placement of that tree,

[Speaker 7] (47:55 - 48:02)
I just for a second when I think about if it's a general bylaw and not necessarily tied to zoning.

[Speaker 7] (48:03 - 48:05)
Do you know what I mean? I just stuck on.

[Speaker 6] (48:05 - 48:05)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (48:06 - 48:08)
so this is general landscaping and

[Speaker 3] (48:09 - 48:10)
In

[Speaker 7] (48:10 - 48:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (48:10 - 48:13)
It's tied specifically to parking lot use.

[Speaker 7] (48:13 - 48:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (48:13 - 48:14)
It's originally,

[Speaker 6] (48:15 - 48:17)
my suggestion was if you want this for more than parking lots,

[Speaker 6] (48:18 - 48:22)
we would add it in its own section. But if you want it to be personal parking lots, then it would still let you go 3.1.

[Speaker 6] (48:22 - 48:23)
You're good.

[Speaker 3] (48:23 - 48:24)
As part of it,

[Speaker 3] (48:24 - 48:24)
so.

[Speaker 6] (48:24 - 48:28)
Which it seems like that's what the committee seems to be doing.

[Speaker 7] (48:29 - 48:30)
That this is under,

[Speaker 7] (48:30 - 48:31)
we'd putting it under parking,

[Speaker 7] (48:31 - 48:36)
we'd putting it under like from, you know, properties in the beach and things.

[Speaker 1] (48:37 - 48:37)
That's my first thing about

[Speaker 6] (48:37 - 48:44)
So right now this is tied under general landscaping and screening requirements.

[Speaker 1] (48:45 - 48:51)
The staff suggested expanding it to include developments.

[Speaker 1] (48:51 - 48:53)
We didn't, no,

[Speaker 3] (48:53 - 48:53)
I

[Speaker 1] (48:53 - 48:54)
because we did not talk about developments.

[Speaker 3] (48:54 - 49:01)
was just a little concerned about the wording, because I thought it got a little confusing in the sense of if that dent-free removal.

[Speaker 3] (49:04 - 49:11)
was part of, I don't know, the way it was reading in there, it looked like it was part of a proposed change,

[Speaker 3] (49:11 - 49:15)
not part of we're using the word development in there,

[Speaker 3] (49:15 - 49:16)
but I'm just not positive,

[Speaker 3] (49:16 - 49:18)
to take it to town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (49:18 - 49:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (49:18 - 49:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (49:19 - 49:19)
but I'm

[Speaker 1] (49:19 - 49:19)
I mean,

[Speaker 3] (49:19 - 49:19)
confused

[Speaker 1] (49:19 - 49:19)
we

[Speaker 3] (49:19 - 49:21)
by an outsider in the meeting again.

[Speaker 1] (49:21 - 49:22)
didn't have development in it.

[Speaker 3] (49:22 - 49:22)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (49:22 - 49:27)
Well, we just did the landscaping with the utility site plan that's been approved.

[Speaker 7] (49:27 - 49:31)
But you want to you're talking about parking lots so commercial if this gets commercial properties

[Speaker 3] (49:31 - 49:39)
Yeah, I guess I think I think what would be helpful into like in the conversation altogether would be maybe we can just make sure on the same page in terms of what

[Speaker 1] (49:56 - 50:15)
you know we're talking about trees that were required to be planted are you guys talking about trees that require to be planted as part of a site plan because what we were also saying is that we don't want people to not plant trees because they're worried that their trees are going to die and they're going to be forced to go and there's a section that requires so many trees per

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:21)
right what we were saying is that we want to make sure that it's within those parameters and also we're only talking about trees that were

[Speaker 1] (50:21 - 50:31)
or require it as part of a site plan approval or something like that because we don't want people to just out of the goodness of their heart who we're going to play trees not do that because all of a sudden they come under this

[Speaker 2] (50:31 - 50:31)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (50:31 - 50:32)
this

[Speaker 2] (50:32 - 50:32)
there we go.

[Speaker 1] (50:32 - 50:32)
requirements

[Speaker 2] (50:32 - 50:33)
Although,

[Speaker 2] (50:33 - 50:34)
I mean,

[Speaker 2] (50:35 - 50:36)
it's so like jarring now.

[Speaker 2] (50:37 - 50:40)
The new Starbucks shop parking lot they came to have.

[Speaker 2] (50:42 - 50:47)
fun with a lot of hard concrete on those streets so i don't know if you guys approve

[Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:47)
Well

[Speaker 2] (50:47 - 50:47)
that

[Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:49)
that was approved as part of site planning and special

[Speaker 2] (50:49 - 50:49)
Those

[Speaker 1] (50:49 - 50:50)
permits

[Speaker 2] (50:50 - 50:50)
trees were,

[Speaker 2] (50:50 - 50:53)
and Jeremon went over there and looked at what was like,

[Speaker 2] (50:53 - 50:54)
you know,

[Speaker 1] (50:54 - 50:54)
Are

[Speaker 2] (50:54 - 50:54)
Mark,

[Speaker 1] (50:54 - 50:54)
you talking

[Speaker 2] (50:54 - 50:54)
the Essex

[Speaker 1] (50:54 - 50:57)
about it's a parking lot or along Essex Street?

[Speaker 2] (50:57 - 50:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (50:58 - 50:59)
Yeah, in the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (50:59 - 51:00)
Actually,

[Speaker 1] (51:00 - 51:04)
there's a lot of trees that because of the movement are being replaced,

[Speaker 1] (51:04 - 51:11)
but they're not, we've seen that removal without the replacement yet because of where they are in the project.

[Speaker 3] (51:11 - 51:14)
If you look at the plans that are online,

[Speaker 3] (51:14 - 51:17)
the landscaping plans are substantial.

[Speaker 2] (51:17 - 51:18)
Yeah, good.

[Speaker 1] (51:18 - 51:20)
And that was something that we did rigorously.

[Speaker 2] (51:20 - 51:22)
Yeah, so we're trying.

[Speaker 2] (51:22 - 51:27)
Trying to, for the trees and site plans of the parking lots that died.

[Speaker 2] (51:28 - 51:35)
We want, you know, we want to make sure 3.341.0 says that they have to replace the new tree.

[Speaker 3] (51:35 - 51:37)
Well, people could be just sort of, they could, they

[Speaker 2] (51:37 - 51:38)
make They can go

[Speaker 3] (51:38 - 51:38)
the whole

[Speaker 2] (51:38 - 51:41)
into my smallest tree that they have and set it off and make up the new tree.

[Speaker 1] (51:41 - 51:42)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (51:42 - 51:42)
And then, because

[Speaker 3] (51:42 - 51:42)
tree.

[Speaker 2] (51:42 - 51:45)
all we're trying to say, it definitely seems to me

[Speaker 3] (51:45 - 51:45)
the Replace

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:45)
only advice

[Speaker 3] (51:45 - 51:45)
it

[Speaker 2] (51:45 - 51:46)
that we're going to do on

[Speaker 3] (51:46 - 51:46)
landscape.

[Speaker 2] (51:46 - 51:47)
while they're with just to say

[Speaker 3] (51:47 - 51:48)
It doesn't go under the

[Speaker 2] (51:48 - 51:48)
putting

[Speaker 3] (51:48 - 51:49)
tree.

[Speaker 2] (51:49 - 51:49)
green.

[Speaker 1] (51:49 - 51:49)
Yeah, sure.

[Speaker 3] (51:49 - 51:50)
It's too bossy.

[Speaker 1] (51:50 - 51:51)
Yeah, sure.

[Speaker 3] (51:51 - 51:53)
I'm thinking that we stick it on the parking,

[Speaker 2] (51:53 - 51:54)
It's probably that

[Speaker 3] (51:54 - 51:55)
you know, as an inside of.

[Speaker 3] (51:55 - 51:55)
I have a parking

[Speaker 2] (51:55 - 51:55)
I

[Speaker 3] (51:55 - 51:55)
ticket,

[Speaker 2] (51:55 - 51:57)
would notice if you favor,

[Speaker 2] (51:57 - 51:58)
it

[Speaker 3] (51:58 - 51:58)
I used to be a

[Speaker 2] (51:58 - 51:58)
is all

[Speaker 3] (51:58 - 52:01)
parking lot of chair parking lots go stories.

[Speaker 2] (52:01 - 52:05)
standard practice for the, and all of the tree inventory,

[Speaker 2] (52:05 - 52:07)
I think that makes sense,

[Speaker 2] (52:07 - 52:08)
it makes sense to have one stem.

[Speaker 1] (52:09 - 52:12)
So that's just the correction that should have happened while I went down.

[Speaker 2] (52:12 - 52:13)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (52:13 - 52:16)
I was trying to simplify the change by marking it.

[Speaker 1] (52:16 - 52:19)
I have a question that's going to probably be for Krista.

[Speaker 4] (52:19 - 52:20)
Okay?

[Speaker 1] (52:20 - 52:22)
Just for clarity on this,

[Speaker 1] (52:23 - 52:26)
we've been talking about parking lot,

[Speaker 1] (52:26 - 52:28)
we've been talking about development.

[Speaker 1] (52:28 - 52:36)
Is there a word in the world that makes more sense in English that people will understand it as commercial?

[Speaker 1] (52:40 - 52:40)
but

[Speaker 3] (52:40 - 52:40)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (52:40 - 52:40)
assuming

[Speaker 5] (52:40 - 52:53)
I think for the sake of the zoning by law, we would want to refer to it as commercial because anything more than three units of residential is considered commercial in our zoning by law.

[Speaker 3] (52:54 - 52:57)
And we could always say in all commercial zones,

[Speaker 3] (52:57 - 52:58)
B1 through B4,

[Speaker 3] (52:58 - 53:01)
you know, which is the parking lot,

[Speaker 3] (53:01 - 53:02)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (53:02 - 53:05)
But that's an interesting question around even the

[Speaker 1] (53:07 - 53:19)
the multi-unit buildings that does seem like a reasonable inclusion in this case because that leads to more ground coverage with concrete.

[Speaker 2] (53:19 - 53:20)
Yeah, that's where it's going to be important.

[Speaker 5] (53:20 - 53:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (53:21 - 53:24)
so for three or more.

[Speaker 5] (53:25 - 53:28)
units is considered commercial owner no

[Speaker 3] (53:28 - 53:32)
Yeah, it doesn't have to be the B district though, right? The zone, yes.

[Speaker 5] (53:32 - 53:33)
residential

[Speaker 3] (53:33 - 53:35)
But I think I'm going to put the districts down.

[Speaker 1] (53:39 - 53:48)
I think I'd prefer to keep it to parking lots because they don't want to, I don't feel buying homes either they're buying them commercially and

[Speaker 1] (53:48 - 53:49)
I don't know if they buy it.

[Speaker 1] (53:50 - 53:51)
When you're doing a development,

[Speaker 1] (53:52 - 53:56)
it's all going to get approved as part of a site plan approval and that sort of thing.

[Speaker 1] (53:56 - 54:02)
I don't think we're just buying properties that aren't subject to some sort of site plan approval or something like that,

[Speaker 1] (54:02 - 54:05)
buying homes and then finding out that there's a dentury.

[Speaker 1] (54:06 - 54:27)
place that it like that's on place that they can be very expensive to the entry i feel like when you're being required as part of what you're building to have these things in place there should you should be making sure that there's some teeth in terms of uh that but i think this would this would sit on top of existing condition as a bylaw correct i

[Speaker 1] (54:31 - 54:32)
mean this is in

[Speaker 5] (54:33 - 54:33)
This

[Speaker 1] (54:33 - 54:34)
It's such

[Speaker 5] (54:34 - 54:34)
is, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (54:34 - 54:36)
an important part of the box.

[Speaker 5] (54:36 - 54:37)
so it says the,

[Speaker 5] (54:37 - 54:38)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (54:38 - 54:40)
So this lives in parking.

[Speaker 1] (54:40 - 54:41)
Okay, perfect.

[Speaker 5] (54:41 - 54:44)
so it lives in general landscaping, but then it says for this paragraph,

[Speaker 5] (54:44 - 54:50)
it says the following requirements for landscaping apply to parking lots with six or more spaces in all districts.

[Speaker 5] (54:51 - 54:55)
So that this is only tied to parking lots of six or more spaces.

[Speaker 1] (54:55 - 54:57)
Okay, then I'm going to retract what I'm

[Speaker 3] (54:57 - 54:58)
sorry

[Speaker 1] (54:58 - 54:58)
saying.

[Speaker 3] (54:58 - 55:01)
so where where what number are you even on you probably

[Speaker 5] (55:01 - 55:01)
So

[Speaker 3] (55:01 - 55:01)
are so

[Speaker 5] (55:01 - 55:02)
this is 3310.

[Speaker 5] (55:03 - 55:03)
So this

[Speaker 3] (55:03 - 55:03)
that's

[Speaker 5] (55:03 - 55:04)
is the

[Speaker 1] (55:04 - 55:04)
election okay

[Speaker 3] (55:04 - 55:05)
in the right place yeah

[Speaker 1] (55:05 - 55:06)
so then then yeah

[Speaker 3] (55:06 - 55:08)
parking lot design see you're under parking lot design

[Speaker 5] (55:09 - 55:11)
So it's under landscaping 3310.

[Speaker 3] (55:11 - 55:16)
I wonder if in parking lots here if it should be there.

[Speaker 3] (55:16 - 55:17)
Just a question.

[Speaker 3] (55:17 - 55:20)
I'm not saying it should or shouldn't, but then

[Speaker 5] (55:20 - 55:26)
This is under general landscaping, but it just mentions these requirements apply to parking lots.

[Speaker 3] (55:26 - 55:27)
it feels

[Speaker 5] (55:27 - 55:27)
This is landscaping.

[Speaker 3] (55:27 - 55:36)
already in the bylaws. It feels like it's already because we have 3150s parking lot design and landscape. It talks about setbacks, all that stuff.

[Speaker 3] (55:37 - 55:38)
I'm just wondering,

[Speaker 3] (55:38 - 55:39)
what do you think?

[Speaker 3] (55:39 - 55:46)
We could refer them to another section as well, you know, see this section of the general landscaping by law.

[Speaker 3] (55:47 - 55:48)
Right?

[Speaker 5] (55:48 - 55:54)
Right. So this is adding on because this last sentence says all landscape area shall be regularly maintained,

[Speaker 5] (55:54 - 55:54)
including,

[Speaker 5] (55:54 - 55:55)
for example,

[Speaker 5] (55:55 - 55:57)
appropriate watering of plantings,

[Speaker 5] (55:57 - 56:03)
weeding, pruning, and replacement of dead plantings. So this is elaborating on replacement of dead plantings,

[Speaker 3] (56:03 - 56:03)
talking Okay.

[Speaker 5] (56:03 - 56:04)
about caliber,

[Speaker 5] (56:05 - 56:08)
talking about paying into the fund to replace them.

[Speaker 1] (56:08 - 56:11)
And then this rolls into when replacing a dead tree.

[Speaker 5] (56:11 - 56:13)
Yeah, that's why this is.

[Speaker 3] (56:14 - 56:14)
Suppose

[Speaker 2] (56:14 - 56:14)
If

[Speaker 3] (56:14 - 56:19)
the yeah opposite end of the tree is in front of the business and it's not in a parking lot,

[Speaker 3] (56:19 - 56:22)
it would cover that as well.

[Speaker 3] (56:22 - 56:22)
Is that right?

[Speaker 2] (56:22 - 56:25)
Well, it says point of parking lots with six and six.

[Speaker 5] (56:25 - 56:26)
if it has six or more spaces

[Speaker 3] (56:27 - 56:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (56:29 - 56:30)
That's my one

[Speaker 1] (56:30 - 56:30)
But

[Speaker 3] (56:30 - 56:30)
point.

[Speaker 1] (56:30 - 56:34)
so, for example, though, like the trees that are down along the

[Speaker 1] (56:36 - 56:39)
along the Paradise Road that we're talking about.

[Speaker 1] (56:40 - 56:46)
Those would be considered parking lot rates because they're sort of not engaged into the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (56:46 - 56:48)
They're sitting out towards the sidewalk edge.

[Speaker 1] (56:49 - 56:58)
I'm just curious if there's any wording that needs to be talking about the site in general in parking lot and elsewhere on site.

[Speaker 2] (56:58 - 56:59)
Want to go to the picture again?

[Speaker 3] (56:59 - 57:05)
It already says this, Krista, it says in under parking, it already says landscape requirements.

[Speaker 3] (57:05 - 57:08)
and set forth in 3300 so I think they're covered.

[Speaker 5] (57:08 - 57:09)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 1] (57:09 - 57:10)
so say

[Speaker 5] (57:10 - 57:11)
would consider this a park

[Speaker 3] (57:11 - 57:11)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (57:11 - 57:11)
yeah

[Speaker 3] (57:11 - 57:15)
under parking that's what our department designed it already says that the

[Speaker 1] (57:15 - 57:26)
okay so something sometimes that but when you get further doesn't the or maybe it doesn't I have this this vision that that lawn increases of the dead trees that are up there are sort of in a long

[Speaker 1] (57:27 - 57:28)
The parking

[Speaker 3] (57:28 - 57:28)
and

[Speaker 1] (57:28 - 57:28)
lot okay,

[Speaker 3] (57:28 - 57:31)
whoever's maintaining the lawn belongs to the parking lot.

[Speaker 1] (57:32 - 57:34)
yeah, but

[Speaker 3] (57:35 - 57:37)
Talking about like yeah,

[Speaker 3] (57:37 - 57:45)
I don't know what at the very so that big grass strip in front of that all you know those trees I think are the belong to the Chinese restaurant.

[Speaker 1] (57:47 - 57:52)
I'm thinking about the trees that had to be removed over along Essex Street

[Speaker 3] (57:52 - 57:53)
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (57:54 - 57:56)
I don't know if I'd consider those parking lot trees.

[Speaker 3] (57:57 - 57:59)
So, you know, it's part of the property.

[Speaker 3] (57:59 - 58:01)
I don't know if they weren't in the parking lot.

[Speaker 3] (58:01 - 58:04)
They were, you know, they were border trees,

[Speaker 3] (58:04 - 58:08)
but they were, I mean, you saw them and they're in terrible condition.

[Speaker 1] (58:08 - 58:08)
No, no, no, I know.

[Speaker 1] (58:08 - 58:10)
I'm just saying, I'm just saying for a bylaw, like

[Speaker 2] (58:10 - 58:11)
on the other picture,

[Speaker 3] (58:11 - 58:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (58:11 - 58:11)
look on

[Speaker 3] (58:11 - 58:12)
the I

[Speaker 2] (58:12 - 58:12)
other picture.

[Speaker 3] (58:12 - 58:12)
think

[Speaker 5] (58:12 - 58:12)
there's Which

[Speaker 3] (58:12 - 58:13)
more space.

[Speaker 5] (58:13 - 58:14)
one this one?

[Speaker 2] (58:15 - 58:16)
Look across the street. Yeah, that one.

[Speaker 5] (58:17 - 58:19)
Oh, did I do the wrong one this one?

[Speaker 2] (58:20 - 58:22)
Yeah, so this is looking towards,

[Speaker 3] (58:22 - 58:23)
Yeah, that

[Speaker 2] (58:23 - 58:26)
so that,

[Speaker 1] (58:26 - 58:27)
That one also

[Speaker 2] (58:27 - 58:28)
that's a park,

[Speaker 2] (58:28 - 58:28)
that's a park,

[Speaker 3] (58:28 - 58:29)
I

[Speaker 2] (58:29 - 58:29)
right.

[Speaker 3] (58:29 - 58:34)
wouldn't be worried about because that's going to go with your development there.

[Speaker 1] (58:35 - 58:35)
Yeah, sure

[Speaker 2] (58:36 - 58:41)
It seems to me like they're trying to go between board something where they replace all trees that were.

[Speaker 2] (58:42 - 58:58)
wire the landscape thing you know with you rather than just the ones in the parking lot and i think that makes sense so it might be that this really goes somewhere else in violence you know it pertains to landscaping generally if the landscaping plan was approved you got to replace the trees they got

[Speaker 3] (58:59 - 59:05)
Yeah, I mean what we've you know grappled without you know in the past is stuff like, you know somebody

[Speaker 3] (59:06 - 59:25)
somebody builds a house and they say I'm going to keep I'm going to you know take down this big sucker but I'm putting up three trees in the front and then two of those trees die and they don't replace it like do we really go after I mean we haven't we've not and I'm not pointing at a single I'm not an individual person right now

[Speaker 3] (59:26 - 59:34)
I'm giving an example of the kind of thing that's happened like first of all does anybody even pay attention and notice right unless unless

[Speaker 2] (59:34 - 59:34)
Forgiveness in love.

[Speaker 3] (59:34 - 59:34)
they

[Speaker 2] (59:44 - 59:46)
We have never done that. They've never enforced

[Speaker 1] (59:46 - 59:46)
You

[Speaker 2] (59:46 - 59:46)
that.

[Speaker 1] (59:46 - 59:49)
haven't done as if you were to, if you're developed,

[Speaker 1] (59:49 - 59:52)
you know, you're flipping a house and you cut down a tree,

[Speaker 1] (59:52 - 59:53)
then you plant two,

[Speaker 1] (59:53 - 59:55)
then you sell the house and the new owner walks in for two dead trees.

[Speaker 1] (59:56 - 59:58)
Like now they have to immediately replace them.

[Speaker 1] (59:58 - 59:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:00 - 1:00:03)
I think this is, I think talking about in terms of parking lots,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:03 - 1:00:17)
there's a lot that's kind of, as you can see on the agenda, there's a lot coming up in terms of zoning bylaws, and I think in terms of like trying to get something that can be, have folks behind it and get something done.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:17 - 1:00:19)
The parking lot seems like a good start.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:19 - 1:00:23)
I think we all see it pretty aligned on this, and this is a good idea.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:24 - 1:00:25)
So I would say.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:27 - 1:00:27)
It's just me.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:27 - 1:00:29)
I would say let's keep it in the parking lots,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:30 - 1:00:32)
see how that goes, and then,

[Speaker 3] (1:00:32 - 1:00:32)
you know,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:32 - 1:00:33)
You can know, it's expand.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:33 - 1:00:41)
always expand it if people think that that's a good idea for the town and you see how this is informed.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:42 - 1:00:42)
And,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:42 - 1:00:49)
you know, we also want to, I mean, I'm 100% for expensing your big parking lots without heat island effect is just brutal.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:51 - 1:00:59)
And I'm just thinking about if we just want to say on any approved site plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:59 - 1:01:02)
if that makes more sense.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:02 - 1:01:06)
I mean, if we can refer back to a site plan and say, you know, this is what was approved,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:06 - 1:01:12)
you've got to put this back or I don't know, is there any kind of way to put it?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:13 - 1:01:14)
I didn't say I'm less concerned about the caliper,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:14 - 1:01:16)
but I'd be concerned about a timeline,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:16 - 1:01:17)
like within,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:17 - 1:01:20)
you know, within the next now and 30 days and being notified by then.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:20 - 1:01:23)
They can't just, you know, of course you think it's the middle of winter,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:23 - 1:01:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:23 - 1:01:24)
you

[Speaker 2] (1:01:24 - 1:01:24)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:24 - 1:01:25)
not to worry about that.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:25 - 1:01:26)
when calendar But use.

[Speaker 3] (1:01:26 - 1:01:32)
doesn't there a standard time the building inspector sends out like notice to comply with something isn't there a standard

[Speaker 3] (1:01:33 - 1:01:34)
Six a day value day.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:35 - 1:01:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:35 - 1:01:37)
And he held us, he held us

[Speaker 8] (1:01:37 - 1:01:37)
to,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:37 - 1:01:38)
he

[Speaker 1] (1:01:38 - 1:01:38)
In the benefit.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:38 - 1:01:40)
typically lists it in the sentence.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:40 - 1:01:40)
Yeah, it's important.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:41 - 1:01:42)
It's enforceable, I guess.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:43 - 1:01:46)
Or if somebody had in front of them, I had a big tree come down in the winter,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:46 - 1:01:50)
clearly not going to replace a limb until they can.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:50 - 1:01:57)
But I think that's something that we'd have to look to the building commissioner to say, you have six months to replace it,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:57 - 1:02:04)
which is giving people plenty of time for the seasons to change and get something in the ground. Now just,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:04 - 1:02:05)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:06 - 1:02:07)
I don't want to stop out there,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:09)
but I do agree with you about the timeline.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:10 - 1:02:11)
They

[Speaker 4] (1:02:11 - 1:02:14)
Yeah, I did want to note for discussion,

[Speaker 4] (1:02:14 - 1:02:19)
staff recommended removing the dollar amounts from the language.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:19 - 1:02:20)
do have a point.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:20 - 1:02:30)
I wanted to get the board's opinion on that just because if it were if the fees were ever to change, it would have to go through the town meeting for a zoning.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:30 - 1:02:31)
But where do the dollars amount go?

[Speaker 2] (1:02:32 - 1:02:35)
It's the ring established by the town.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:35 - 1:02:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:35 - 1:02:38)
So it's the house of town established in a ring.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:39 - 1:02:42)
It's like what it was across the town to utilize a tree like that.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:42 - 1:02:45)
I mean, we know the town plans trees on the town.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:45 - 1:02:50)
Instead of you have to go to town meeting and go to us and select board and town meeting and get the amount changed,

[Speaker 3] (1:02:50 - 1:02:52)
you just go to the select board and just say,

[Speaker 3] (1:02:52 - 1:02:53)
this is our annual.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:54 - 1:02:59)
the review or approving the tree feed and the pro back stops next on

[Speaker 2] (1:02:59 - 1:03:00)
They can get, you

[Speaker 3] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00)
they

[Speaker 2] (1:03:00 - 1:03:00)
know, they

[Speaker 3] (1:03:00 - 1:03:01)
can do it question

[Speaker 2] (1:03:01 - 1:03:02)
can get estimates from

[Speaker 3] (1:03:02 - 1:03:03)
doesn't even

[Speaker 2] (1:03:03 - 1:03:03)
the great.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:03 - 1:03:10)
matter well i don't know but you know obviously not in a specific instance but because my because my opinion and this is

[Speaker 5] (1:03:11 - 1:03:16)
I have three committee it's cleaner if it's right here because then but

[Speaker 2] (1:03:16 - 1:03:18)
It's not going to be enough money five years from I now.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:18 - 1:03:18)
will

[Speaker 2] (1:03:18 - 1:03:19)
I don't know.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:19 - 1:03:31)
see that's the other four questions I have is that one you know do do we need a rounding sentence as far as if it's a four point it's a seven point three inch diameter tree you work with that

[Speaker 2] (1:03:31 - 1:03:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:31 - 1:03:33)
or do you round it to the nearest whole number

[Speaker 2] (1:03:33 - 1:03:35)
I can tell you one thing. If I had Richard.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:35 - 1:03:38)
I heard your comments and I think we can take the top of the tree.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:38 - 1:03:38)
The street committee out

[Speaker 2] (1:03:38 - 1:03:39)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (1:03:39 - 1:03:39)
there at this

[Speaker 2] (1:03:39 - 1:03:39)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:39 - 1:03:41)
point in time unless you have other...

[Speaker 2] (1:03:41 - 1:03:42)
No, I have one other thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:42 - 1:03:46)
So, you know, I haven't gone to town meetings so many times with bylaws.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:47 - 1:03:49)
One recommendation I would make.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:50 - 1:04:15)
is to simplify like cut down the stuff just say you know I wouldn't give a lot of options you've got to replace if something comes down it's this size the minimum size you have to replace it with is x you've got x number of you know of months to do it here's the list of approved trees and then there's you know and the building commissioner as he you know is

[Speaker 1] (1:04:16 - 1:04:26)
is the only authority there and I take out if it's seven things like you've got three and a half and you can do two trees instead of one it may not be appropriate in certain sites and you're better

[Speaker 5] (1:04:26 - 1:04:27)
saying no example and

[Speaker 1] (1:04:27 - 1:04:28)
he puts

[Speaker 5] (1:04:28 - 1:04:28)
you're saying

[Speaker 1] (1:04:28 - 1:04:28)
them both

[Speaker 5] (1:04:28 - 1:04:29)
and you're saying there's no money

[Speaker 1] (1:04:29 - 1:04:39)
if you if you go to town meeting and you give all these like seven inches to three and a half or if it's this and people are going to they're going to get annoyed and they're how going to

[Speaker 5] (1:04:39 - 1:04:39)
does

[Speaker 1] (1:04:39 - 1:04:39)
lose

[Speaker 5] (1:04:39 - 1:04:42)
how does the bylaws work relative to rounding

[Speaker 5] (1:04:43 - 1:04:45)
Is there an applied paragraph that

[Speaker 3] (1:04:45 - 1:04:45)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (1:04:45 - 1:04:45)
talks about

[Speaker 3] (1:04:45 - 1:04:49)
decouplers, there's a, you know, there's a, right, doesn't, are we just grounding words?

[Speaker 4] (1:04:49 - 1:04:49)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:04:49 - 1:04:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:50 - 1:04:51)
this is from Brian.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:51 - 1:04:51)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:51 - 1:04:52)
He sent this over.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:52 - 1:04:52)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:04:52 - 1:04:52)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:52 - 1:04:54)
So for our discussion today,

[Speaker 4] (1:04:54 - 1:04:55)
these are proposed grounding

[Speaker 2] (1:04:55 - 1:04:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:55 - 1:04:56)
words that

[Speaker 2] (1:04:56 - 1:04:56)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:04:56 - 1:04:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:56 - 1:04:57)
we could use.

[Speaker 5] (1:04:57 - 1:05:01)
I think that's, you're happier adding grounding words.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:01 - 1:05:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:01 - 1:05:03)
Yeah, yours tenth of an inch.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:03 - 1:05:07)
Yeah. So we could add the proposed grounding words.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:08 - 1:05:10)
So I think, Kristen,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:10 - 1:05:11)
what's the next step?

[Speaker 3] (1:05:11 - 1:05:11)
We don't have,

[Speaker 3] (1:05:11 - 1:05:16)
we're not going to like vote on this right now. I think the language needs to be fleshed out and that sort of thing, right?

[Speaker 3] (1:05:16 - 1:05:16)
So.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:17 - 1:05:19)
So the next step is I will.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:21 - 1:05:32)
Put together a list of everything that you've said today. I'll email it to Brian and we can talk through it and then at the next meeting come back with a revision and maybe you guys have other

[Speaker 3] (1:05:32 - 1:05:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:32 - 1:05:32)
one.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:32 - 1:05:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:33 - 1:05:39)
I think there's so much here that I think is you can do even more on.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:40 - 1:06:06)
And I don't I can't say that I know how they really know I can I try to sort through this kind of stuff is by reading what other towns have done and seeing if you know some stuff makes sense to me but I mean we just people think nothing of like oh they wanted they got another car they're going to just cut down six trees on the side I mean it happens all the time and you know there's always that oh it's you know private property you know we bump up against that all the time but

[Speaker 1] (1:06:06 - 1:06:12)
But, you know, I feel very strongly that we have to protect the trees.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:12 - 1:06:14)
And I think this is a great effort.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:14 - 1:06:15)
So I thank you for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:15 - 1:06:16)
I really do.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:16 - 1:06:19)
And I think we can we can probably,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:19 - 1:06:27)
you know, you know, we can really seriously consider how far we can actually go on the residential side that makes sense.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:27 - 1:06:30)
It's not unfair to people, but really,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:30 - 1:06:32)
you know, put some responsibility there.

[Speaker 5] (1:06:32 - 1:06:32)
So,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:32 - 1:06:33)
Um...

[Speaker 5] (1:06:33 - 1:06:41)
but I hear one of the three committee actions is to get the money side of it into a table that the select board.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:41 - 1:06:42)
generate

[Speaker 2] (1:06:42 - 1:06:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:42 - 1:06:42)
that's

[Speaker 2] (1:06:42 - 1:06:42)
and I

[Speaker 3] (1:06:42 - 1:06:43)
what I heard

[Speaker 2] (1:06:43 - 1:06:43)
think

[Speaker 3] (1:06:43 - 1:06:43)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:06:43 - 1:06:43)
that's, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:43 - 1:06:46)
want to be mindful that we do have other items

[Speaker 4] (1:06:46 - 1:06:46)
quite a few.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:46 - 1:06:47)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:47 - 1:06:48)
to move on to so

[Speaker 4] (1:06:48 - 1:06:50)
Public hearing for the 40R.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:50 - 1:06:51)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:51 - 1:06:51)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:06:51 - 1:06:51)
so,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:51 - 1:06:51)
right yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:06:51 - 1:06:52)
okay, so,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:52 - 1:06:52)
so

[Speaker 2] (1:06:52 - 1:06:53)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:53 - 1:06:57)
but I think connect with Chris we don't have to have a public we don't have to open this up this is just a conversation

[Speaker 4] (1:06:57 - 1:06:58)
This is discussion.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:58 - 1:06:59)
okay, all right.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:59 - 1:07:03)
so yeah, let's think about what, you know, in terms, well,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:03 - 1:07:06)
I think that we've said enough that you can summarize for Ryan.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:07 - 1:07:19)
what it is and just simplify the language basically and you're going to say the same thing we'll figure out a way for select board to get the prices right but

[Speaker 2] (1:07:20 - 1:07:21)
Yeah, I think that's

[Speaker 3] (1:07:21 - 1:07:32)
I think it's great to get this built in too because it does it makes a huge difference on on the experience of being in a parking lot and keeping these temperatures down and everything else.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:32 - 1:07:33)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:33 - 1:07:34)
All right. Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:34 - 1:07:34)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (1:07:34 - 1:07:35)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:35 - 1:07:35)
you.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:35 - 1:07:35)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:35 - 1:07:39)
That's a lot of what being politically correct is this for next time we leave.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:39 - 1:07:40)
Yeah, we're next time meeting.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:40 - 1:07:40)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:40 - 1:07:41)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
we need

[Speaker 4] (1:07:41 - 1:07:41)
for December.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:41 - 1:07:45)
to remember schedule of when we need to get back in the public theater.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:45 - 1:07:48)
think Chris is going to connect right so

[Speaker 6] (1:07:48 - 1:07:48)
Okay, let's go.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:48 - 1:07:51)
we could get a schedule so

[Speaker 4] (1:07:51 - 1:07:54)
I actually have one for the 40-hour.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:55 - 1:07:56)
crystal

[Speaker 4] (1:07:56 - 1:08:00)
So town meeting warrant opens September 2nd.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:01 - 1:08:08)
um and closes october 7th so if we get revised language for the next meeting we should be on track okay

[Speaker 2] (1:08:08 - 1:08:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
perfect

[Speaker 2] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:09 - 1:08:10)
right

[Speaker 3] (1:08:10 - 1:08:11)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:11 - 1:08:12)
Moving on to the next item.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:13 - 1:08:17)
So again, going out of order so we can order the discussion to the end.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:20 - 1:08:23)
sorry this is continued tree discussion correct

[Speaker 6] (1:08:24 - 1:08:25)
Yeah, thanks.

[Speaker 3] (1:08:25 - 1:08:26)
Yes, continue.

[Speaker 4] (1:08:26 - 1:08:29)
Yep, there's there are two items for discussion for the tree code

[Speaker 1] (1:08:29 - 1:08:30)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:30 - 1:08:32)
Actually three of us.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:35 - 1:08:48)
So a while back Martha Schmidt and I came to the guys and we're looking for some zoning bylaws related to climate change.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:48 - 1:08:53)
And Ted at that time suggested instead of building everything as by-law,

[Speaker 6] (1:08:54 - 1:09:02)
we come up with a rubric by which we can evaluate things with respect to his town's interests of the town, have a tree committee,

[Speaker 6] (1:09:02 - 1:09:03)
there's a trees,

[Speaker 6] (1:09:03 - 1:09:05)
there's a climate committee with some of the climate,

[Speaker 6] (1:09:06 - 1:09:12)
and rather than you guys find the end of the first of all, we're trying to build it into the by-laws since it changes constantly.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:13 - 1:09:28)
We need to get some help with rubric and it was unclear at that point whether you guys would be evaluating plans in terms of the rubric or whether we would and it makes much more sense for the experts in this stuff like the funding.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:39 - 1:09:41)
So this is advisory,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:42 - 1:09:46)
obviously since it's not bylaws, and

[Speaker 1] (1:09:48 - 1:09:52)
the current state of things by which we evaluate the plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:52 - 1:09:53)
building plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:53 - 1:09:57)
including our expertise in the subjects.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:57 - 1:10:12)
We would generate like the police department or the building fire department does a recommendation based on this revert which would be probably available to people to look at before they come off the plans.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:14 - 1:10:38)
say what we think is you know should be modified in the plan and it's a plan subtractive plan whatever it is okay so we would evaluate using these rubrics there's one for climate and there's one for trees we would have a subcommittee of our various committees to review this evaluation to recase it with sort of timeline there's a longer timeline you know to require a few days to do it

[Speaker 1] (1:10:38 - 1:10:57)
um basically try to take a lot of work off you guys so we can just give you a nice neat report that tells something that you well these committees think about the plans and stuff like that so for example when we first came here we were looking for something to require solar cells on

[Speaker 2] (1:10:57 - 1:10:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:57 - 1:11:04)
roofs right so instead of requiring solar shells and coming up with something like like 14

[Speaker 1] (1:11:05 - 1:11:30)
is finalized we would look at the plans and you know make some reasonable assumptions about what could be on their that actually that sort of thing and then in our report we let you know what we thought was possible what we desire there again it's advisory so we're going to try this this route and you know the

[Speaker 1] (1:11:31 - 1:11:36)
Workflow needs to be worked out a little bit so these rumors will be published on the town website.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:37 - 1:11:39)
When somebody applies,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:39 - 1:11:41)
you know, for a building plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:41 - 1:11:44)
has to go through the planning board,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:44 - 1:11:50)
you would notify them about this particular rubric, they can look at it, run it by their plans accordingly.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:53 - 1:11:55)
We will notify when the plan is submitted.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:57 - 1:12:22)
and we may evaluate according to the river's and provide material that you guys will for you guys to look at that's sort of my understanding of how this would work since there's nothing written into the bylaws of course that would be difficult to enforce anything that we recommend that would be sort of up to you to figure it out

[Speaker 1] (1:12:23 - 1:12:27)
You know, you know that was what's what's important was not important

[Speaker 3] (1:12:27 - 1:12:29)
I think it's meant to be an incentive,

[Speaker 3] (1:12:29 - 1:12:30)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:12:30 - 1:12:47)
So instead of building it in as what you have to do according to bylaws, it would be an incentive and maybe you would reduce fees possibly to incent people to conform or reduce maybe scheduling,

[Speaker 3] (1:12:47 - 1:12:48)
you know, accelerate.

[Speaker 3] (1:12:49 - 1:12:51)
Some kind of approval,

[Speaker 3] (1:12:51 - 1:12:54)
timeframe plans.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:54 - 1:12:58)
I don't think that we could incentivize everyone.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:00 - 1:13:24)
through like fees and that sort of thing if it's not in the bylaw but part of the site plan special permit process is that things need to fit into the general character of the neighborhoods that they're in they have to be basically you know plans have to be complementary to the area that they're in and I think it's I think it's a great idea if you could have any chance to look at this yet but I think you know anything that helps us in that

[Speaker 4] (1:13:26 - 1:13:44)
this is in the discussion of what is appropriate in this area is going to be helpful for us is the intent that the tree committee would get you know an application submitted and the tree committee would get a copy and they provide us comments within like

[Speaker 5] (1:13:44 - 1:13:46)
It's a two-week time frame,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:46 - 1:13:49)
so with our monthly cycle.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:50 - 1:13:52)
Once an application is submitted,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:52 - 1:13:54)
if it's a commercial application,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:54 - 1:13:58)
both the Climate Action and Resilience Committee,

[Speaker 5] (1:13:58 - 1:14:00)
because they are also proposing a rubric tonight,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:00 - 1:14:02)
and the Tree Committee would be,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:02 - 1:14:08)
they would have to designate a reviewer or a group of reviewers because

[Speaker 5] (1:14:08 - 1:14:12)
They won't necessarily have time as a group, as a committee to review it together,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:13 - 1:14:30)
but they could have a designated reviewer or reviewers who would go through the rubric and then provide the scoring in any comments to the planning board for your review before the meeting. So it'd be like any other staff comments that you would get, you would be getting.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:30 - 1:14:42)
a score from climate action or from the tree committee based off of their scoring rubric and that could help you know it could help inform your decisions but it isn't

[Speaker 5] (1:14:42 - 1:14:43)
you know bylaws

[Speaker 4] (1:14:43 - 1:14:44)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:44 - 1:14:52)
of it's not something that you could potentially you know approve or deny an application based off of but it is more information to help make your decision

[Speaker 3] (1:14:52 - 1:14:56)
I think we can, you know, it falls under when you look at site plan,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:56 - 1:15:00)
you know, the reason for site plan, what's it all about?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:00 - 1:15:07)
It's the health and well-being, the general welfare of the town of Salisbury. So, I mean, it definitely falls under this.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:09 - 1:15:14)
love this I have to say I mean it would be a lot of work for someone to review it but

[Speaker 5] (1:15:14 - 1:15:22)
Yeah, my question coming into this whole was the incentive to build and that like we can't force them to do it.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:24 - 1:15:30)
Well, I think, you know, some of the non-binding laws and if you if you complete it, great.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:30 - 1:15:32)
If you don't, there's no harm, no foul.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:32 - 1:15:37)
But if it comes in front of us and we're like struggling with a landscaping plan or something like that,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:37 - 1:15:38)
we can say,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:38 - 1:15:41)
well, you know, the treaty committee says X,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:41 - 1:15:43)
Y and Z and this is what they think about it.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:44 - 1:15:44)
You know.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:45 - 1:15:46)
Go back and look at that.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:46 - 1:15:51)
Going back on the bat or, you know, you really have to make some changes like that.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:51 - 1:15:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:51 - 1:15:53)
We're not helping us in numbers that

[Speaker 3] (1:15:53 - 1:15:53)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:53 - 1:15:54)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:15:54 - 1:15:54)
sometimes

[Speaker 3] (1:15:54 - 1:15:54)
love

[Speaker 4] (1:15:54 - 1:15:54)
usually

[Speaker 3] (1:15:54 - 1:15:54)
that.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:54 - 1:15:55)
may be subjective.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:55 - 1:16:01)
And things that are really important, you know, is there adequate soil volume? I mean, I'm just looking at all of this. It makes perfect sense.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:02 - 1:16:03)
And I know I jumped ahead,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:03 - 1:16:06)
but I also love the climate.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:07 - 1:16:27)
for a new development and you know especially with commercial this is you know a huge huge help because a lot of these these aspects are requirements and overlay districts and certain developments that aren't happening so

[Speaker 3] (1:16:30 - 1:16:30)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:16:30 - 1:16:30)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:30 - 1:16:30)
personally,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:30 - 1:16:30)
right.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:30 - 1:16:32)
I mean, yeah, be a lot of work on your part.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:33 - 1:16:36)
I think we'd have to, you know, I mean, I think the planning board can,

[Speaker 3] (1:16:36 - 1:16:37)
we don't need to.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:38 - 1:16:42)
ask we can vote to adopt this as part of our review

[Speaker 5] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:42 - 1:17:01)
materials we can even vote to you know mention it in our you know our site plan list of stuff those are things that the client more can do without you know going to town meeting without doing anything like that just like we can adopt any kind of new regulation that we want to

[Speaker 5] (1:17:01 - 1:17:02)
And with the online application,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:03 - 1:17:03)
we could even link.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:03 - 1:17:04)
link to the rubric

[Speaker 3] (1:17:04 - 1:17:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:04 - 1:17:04)
for the application.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:04 - 1:17:07)
I love it. Quite frankly,

[Speaker 3] (1:17:07 - 1:17:10)
I think it's a tremendous amount of work you put in this.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:11 - 1:17:18)
Thank you so much. And I'm like, you know, it's like pretty obvious how I feel about it.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:18 - 1:17:20)
Can I ask a, yeah, totally on board with this.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:21 - 1:17:25)
I do have a couple of really quick questions, and this might be how the process works.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:25 - 1:17:25)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:25 - 1:17:26)
Before you,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:26 - 1:17:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:26 - 1:17:29)
I just want to make sure you understand,

[Speaker 1] (1:17:29 - 1:17:30)
this is separate.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:30 - 1:17:31)
something good

[Speaker 3] (1:17:31 - 1:17:31)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:17:31 - 1:17:31)
okay

[Speaker 3] (1:17:31 - 1:17:31)
understand.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:31 - 1:17:54)
thank you um the the only reason i the the question that i have is do these land in two different spaces is there like the the the rubric is shared between i'll see a town policy about removing trees on property and then that same rubric also utilized in site plan review

[Speaker 1] (1:17:54 - 1:17:57)
So these are actually two separate things.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:57 - 1:18:03)
The free protection guidance was originally as a file on,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:03 - 1:18:05)
then it became advisory.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:05 - 1:18:10)
So this is something where we haven't really fully integrated with ours.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:11 - 1:18:14)
And that's something we'll do with our next meeting.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:16 - 1:18:16)
You

[Speaker 1] (1:18:16 - 1:18:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:18:16 - 1:18:19)
know, I just see a great crossover there because

[Speaker 1] (1:18:19 - 1:18:20)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:20 - 1:18:38)
I know that there's been an awful lot of tree loss that has more to do with people making decisions that, you know, I want a vegetable garden and, you know, my forested lot doesn't allow that and then that gets removed.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:40 - 1:18:57)
So I would love to have this tool in both places and I do wish this was something that was in place last year because I think we did a subdivision that there was a huge removal of trees that would have been nice to see it reflected out over other areas, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:59 - 1:19:02)
Okay, so you guys don't have to volunteer at all.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:02 - 1:19:03)
You need to get it.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:03 - 1:19:10)
excuse me chris can you just send it around to us because i don't think we've got an electronic copy of it just so we can review it but we could all send in comments

[Speaker 3] (1:19:11 - 1:19:12)
You know, just,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:12 - 1:19:13)
well,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:13 - 1:19:16)
I don't want to, go ahead, Richard,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:16 - 1:19:17)
I don't want to interrupt.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:17 - 1:19:24)
I think so in one of the multiple revised emails I said sent today I linked the the

[Speaker 4] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
oh it linked to

[Speaker 5] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
revised

[Speaker 4] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
it okay

[Speaker 2] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
it linked to

[Speaker 1] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
product

[Speaker 2] (1:19:24 - 1:19:24)
it? Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:24 - 1:19:26)
page sorry. for this sorry yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:19:26 - 1:19:26)
It's fine.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:26 - 1:19:29)
I sent multiple so it was the last one

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
As

[Speaker 1] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
it was

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
long as we

[Speaker 1] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
linked

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:29)
had it.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:29 - 1:19:30)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:19:30 - 1:19:30)
As long as we had it.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:35 - 1:19:38)
So, you know, I see this, you know, fitting in under so many.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:40 - 1:19:43)
You know, so under, you know, landscaping, open space requirements,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:43 - 1:19:46)
you know, the approvals we need from the Board of Health,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:47 - 1:19:51)
I mean, this all contributes to a healthy community,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:51 - 1:20:00)
to the well-being of our community. I feel like there's a, it's an important step for the town to take to acknowledge and it sends a very positive signal.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:00 - 1:20:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:02 - 1:20:22)
And I think in terms of, you know, I mean, I'm very much on board with trying to try to pursue this and, you know, would be distributed like, you know, Port Health gets it and conservation and, you know, historical under certain cases and so on and so forth.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:23 - 1:20:26)
And I don't think there should be any exempt.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:27 - 1:20:28)
organizations,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:28 - 1:20:33)
whether it's, you know, religious places, schools,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:33 - 1:20:35)
I don't think there should be any exceptions.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:38 - 1:20:39)
apply this might

[Speaker 4] (1:20:39 - 1:20:40)
We'll

[Speaker 3] (1:20:40 - 1:20:41)
drive someone

[Speaker 4] (1:20:41 - 1:20:44)
be able to require some line like something that we

[Speaker 3] (1:20:44 - 1:20:49)
all I'm saying is that right that any reviews would would still include this

[Speaker 4] (1:20:49 - 1:20:49)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:20:49 - 1:20:49)
yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:20:49 - 1:20:53)
yeah sure it'll be some to the tree committees submitting it to us

[Speaker 3] (1:20:53 - 1:20:53)
right

[Speaker 4] (1:20:53 - 1:20:54)
right correct

[Speaker 1] (1:20:54 - 1:20:55)
the scoring yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:20:55 - 1:20:57)
yeah okay all right

[Speaker 3] (1:20:57 - 1:21:04)
it would work well as an on like as a online questionnaire like as opposed to filling out paper more paperwork you know

[Speaker 3] (1:21:04 - 1:21:11)
you know like you just step by step go through an answer and then it tallies it all for you and then at the end you put the scores up anyway but

[Speaker 4] (1:21:11 - 1:21:12)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:12 - 1:21:12)
yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:21:12 - 1:21:13)
Thank you,

[Speaker 3] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
thanks

[Speaker 4] (1:21:13 - 1:21:14)
Daniel.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:14 - 1:21:14)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:14 - 1:21:14)
okay

[Speaker 4] (1:21:14 - 1:21:15)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:17 - 1:21:21)
climate action do you want to present separately or was that two in one all

[Speaker 3] (1:21:21 - 1:21:23)
that was it that's great

[Speaker 1] (1:21:23 - 1:21:24)
right thank you so much

[Speaker 3] (1:21:24 - 1:21:30)
great you know really tremendous amount of work and very much appreciated

[Speaker 3] (1:21:31 - 1:21:32)
So thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:32 - 1:21:33)
Yeah, thank you for your time.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:34 - 1:21:38)
All right, so now moving on to item number six out of order,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:38 - 1:21:41)
discussion climate action and resilience committee,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:41 - 1:21:44)
discussion of purpose and the climate action resilience committee,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:44 - 1:21:46)
preparing cycling and review procedures,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:46 - 1:21:47)
opportunities for committee review of talent,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:48 - 1:21:48)
and propose climate solutions.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:48 - 1:21:50)
Thank you for telling us they can't have any.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:50 - 1:21:52)
Whatever you that's very nice for working.

[Speaker 5] (1:21:52 - 1:21:53)
I'm glad I did

[Speaker 4] (1:21:53 - 1:21:54)
That was that.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:54 - 1:21:55)
Yeah, that was

[Speaker 5] (1:21:55 - 1:21:56)
a didn't let him know that I have a separate

[Speaker 4] (1:21:56 - 1:21:57)
was their emergency report.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:58 - 1:21:59)
They emerged to push that with everything.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:59 - 1:22:00)
Yeah, that was everything.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:00 - 1:22:01)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:01 - 1:22:01)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:01 - 1:22:01)
Okay. It'd be

[Speaker 4] (1:22:01 - 1:22:01)
good. perfect.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:01 - 1:22:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:02 - 1:22:02)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:03 - 1:22:05)
Can I thank you? Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:06 - 1:22:06)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (1:22:06 - 1:22:06)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:22:06 - 1:22:07)
you.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:07 - 1:22:07)
not

[Speaker 3] (1:22:07 - 1:22:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:07 - 1:22:07)
good.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:07 - 1:22:10)
So we're going to see if, I love this stuff.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:10 - 1:22:10)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:10 - 1:22:10)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:22:10 - 1:22:11)
wonderful.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:11 - 1:22:11)
great.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:12 - 1:22:13)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:13 - 1:22:15)
then we'll move on to item number three out of order,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:15 - 1:22:17)
public hearing

[Speaker 3] (1:22:17 - 1:22:17)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:17 - 1:22:19)
for draft smart greens zoning districts.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:19 - 1:22:21)
Which this is public hearing.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:23 - 1:22:23)
In hindsight,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:23 - 1:22:26)
maybe we should have done it first so we had more people in the room,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:26 - 1:22:26)
but that's

[Speaker 4] (1:22:26 - 1:22:27)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:22:27 - 1:22:29)
it also gave more people more time to enjoy online.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:30 - 1:22:30)
true.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:30 - 1:22:33)
And I believe we still have a few people online,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:33 - 1:22:37)
but I will give a presentation on 40-hour in SMART growth,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:37 - 1:22:42)
and then we can open it up to public comment if we have public comment,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:42 - 1:22:44)
and we can open it up to discussion.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:49 - 1:22:55)
This item is a pre-application public hearing for the proposed Smart Growth Zoning District or Chapter 40R,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:56 - 1:22:59)
and this is in the area surrounding the Swampscot commuter rail station.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:00 - 1:23:02)
This is an informational discussion,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:02 - 1:23:04)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:23:04 - 1:23:04)
it's Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:23:04 - 1:23:04)
intended

[Speaker 4] (1:23:04 - 1:23:04)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:04 - 1:23:14)
to introduce the concept to the public through this presentation and explain why the town's exploring this opportunity. And...

[Speaker 1] (1:23:15 - 1:23:20)
The hope is to receive public feedback before any draft zoning language is prepared.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:21 - 1:23:30)
So before we even get started getting feedback from people in the town on just the general concept of what we're looking to do.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:31 - 1:23:33)
But there's no action requested tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:33 - 1:23:35)
So this is informational.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:37 - 1:23:46)
So chapter 40R is a state zoning tool that allows municipalities to proactively plan for housing growth and appropriate locations.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:49)
So unlike the MBTA Communities Act,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:49 - 1:23:52)
its participation in 40R is voluntary.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:53 - 1:23:59)
Communities create their own overlay district and establish development standards that they want to apply.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:00 - 1:24:04)
These standards can include building height setbacks, parking requirements,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:04 - 1:24:06)
design standards,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:06 - 1:24:09)
landscaping, and ground floor commercial requirements.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:10 - 1:24:15)
One important requirement is that qualifying developments include affordable housing,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:16 - 1:24:18)
so there's a 20% affordable housing requirement.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:19 - 1:24:22)
Is it different if they're rented or sold?

[Speaker 3] (1:24:22 - 1:24:23)
I forgot.

[Speaker 3] (1:24:23 - 1:24:25)
I thought it was 20 or 25 depending on.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:26 - 1:24:28)
I would have to double check

[Speaker 3] (1:24:28 - 1:24:29)
that. Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:29 - 1:24:32)
And what qualifies as a larger project?

[Speaker 1] (1:24:40 - 1:24:41)
I'm not sure exactly,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:41 - 1:24:42)
you know, what.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:45 - 1:24:46)
What the clarification would be there,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:46 - 1:24:49)
larger than what is currently allowed,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:49 - 1:24:50)
basically.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:50 - 1:24:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:50 - 1:24:52)
Ten units or something.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:52 - 1:24:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:56 - 1:25:00)
And so there's financial incentives as well,

[Speaker 1] (1:25:00 - 1:25:11)
and that basically when the housing is eventually constructed, you get financial incentives, so that's up to $75,000.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:12 - 1:25:29)
once the district is approved and it's additional funding once you meet certain thresholds and this basically gives the town the opportunity to shape development on our own terms rather than just reacting to individual projects on their own.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:36 - 1:25:46)
Okay, so this map shows the relationship between the existing zoning districts. So there's the MBTA 3A overlay in the general study area surrounding the commuter rail station.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:46 - 1:25:53)
So this proposed 40R district is just surrounding the commuter rail station. It's over.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:55 - 1:26:00)
Significant B1 and B2 makes up most of the district that's proposed,

[Speaker 1] (1:26:00 - 1:26:03)
and there you can see those two house icons.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:03 - 1:26:09)
We have the two housing authority properties that take up a significant amount of the land area in the district as

[Speaker 3] (1:26:09 - 1:26:10)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:26:10 - 1:26:10)
well is

[Speaker 3] (1:26:10 - 1:26:11)
everything in pink then,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:11 - 1:26:12)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:12 - 1:26:13)
commercial zone.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:13 - 1:26:18)
Everything in pink underneath this proposed district is B1 or B2.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:19 - 1:26:21)
This A4 is this.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:22 - 1:26:35)
brownish color here so that's this housing authority property there are one or two you know there are a few A4 properties that get covered with this but it's five or less individual properties it's

[Speaker 3] (1:26:35 - 1:26:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:35 - 1:26:37)
so the train station is.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:40 - 1:26:43)
this area right here

[Speaker 1] (1:26:44 - 1:26:44)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (1:26:44 - 1:26:58)
The 40R is that, I mean, you can't have it overlap the MTAs on you. You could overlap anything pretty much. I mean, would it be too constrictive? We'd have to indicate which one takes precedence.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:58 - 1:26:59)
right.

[Speaker 3] (1:26:59 - 1:26:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:01 - 1:27:02)
And,

[Speaker 1] (1:27:02 - 1:27:06)
you know, they have similar goals, but they are very different in how they function.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:06 - 1:27:07)
So, um.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:08 - 1:27:15)
It's easier just from an implementation standpoint to have floating our vehicles on rather than overlapping.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:18 - 1:27:21)
But at this stage, it's still conceptual boundaries.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:22 - 1:27:31)
So, you know, this is throughout this process, we could potentially be subject to change based off of feedback that we hear from you guys, from the public throughout this process.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:34 - 1:27:38)
And hopefully as we hear more from the public on their opinions.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:42 - 1:27:47)
All right. So why would we want to do a commuter rail authority our district?

[Speaker 1] (1:27:48 - 1:27:50)
So targeting growth where it makes sense.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:50 - 1:27:56)
This would focus future housing near existing transit instead of established residential neighborhoods.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:57 - 1:27:59)
So we don't want to disrupt the character of.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:01 - 1:28:04)
Many established residential neighborhoods that we have in Smallville,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:04 - 1:28:11)
it makes sense to locate growth around the commuter rail station where it's walkable.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:11 - 1:28:12)
It would also...

[Speaker 1] (1:28:13 - 1:28:32)
be able to support housing authority redevelopment so those two housing authority properties and it would create opportunities for future modernization of the housing authority properties so if they were ever to be redeveloped it would provide an opportunity to focus on accessibility for some of the buildings

[Speaker 1] (1:28:34 - 1:28:36)
It could potentially allow for more density,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:36 - 1:28:40)
whatever we end up requiring in the standards that we put together.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:41 - 1:28:51)
We can definitely think of these through the lens of potentially redeveloping those housing authority properties and what those standards might look like for that.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:52 - 1:28:53)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:53 - 1:28:55)
so it would leverage existing transit and infrastructure.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:56 - 1:28:58)
The area already has commuter access,

[Speaker 1] (1:28:59 - 1:29:00)
it already has sidewalks, utilities,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:01 - 1:29:04)
and existing infrastructure for walkable transit oriented development.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:05 - 1:29:11)
So this would be allowing more density in the area that's already walkable to, to transit.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:11 - 1:29:11)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:29:13 - 1:29:15)
And it would also expand housing options.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:15 - 1:29:16)
So it would.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:17 - 1:29:19)
help to address housing needs for

[Speaker 1] (1:29:21 - 1:29:30)
workforce households, and residents looking to downsize so we could allow for smaller units if we are to allow for increased density.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:40)
And the stationary is one of the few places in town where increased density can be supported while taking advantage of the existing infrastructure.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:41 - 1:29:49)
This area is ideal for something like this because people could don't necessarily, if they work in the city and take the train,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:49 - 1:29:53)
they don't necessarily need to have a car to get around day to day.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:57 - 1:29:58)
So.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:00 - 1:30:03)
Still, why a commuter rail 40-yard district?

[Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:18)
I did want to note that the recently adopted Psalm Scott Master Plan 2035 that we adopted this past month specifically lists this area as a priority for prioritized growth.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:22)
So it's a transformation node listed in the Psalm Scott 2035 Master Plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:23 - 1:30:25)
and it's specifically called out as

[Speaker 1] (1:30:26 - 1:30:44)
the commuter rail station area specifically called out for like as a growth area in a transformation node so you can see it's labeled here the commuter rail station for redevelopment and it's one of these growth areas

[Speaker 2] (1:30:45 - 1:30:45)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:46 - 1:30:49)
and the area that's because I think that

[Speaker 2] (1:30:51 - 1:30:52)
Thank you so good.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:52 - 1:30:57)
The current station itself is a local historic district and I'm just thinking,

[Speaker 2] (1:30:57 - 1:31:04)
do we know what property BTA owns within that parcel?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:05 - 1:31:06)
I believe it's this one.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:08 - 1:31:10)
I'm just thinking about,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:10 - 1:31:10)
anyway,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:10 - 1:31:11)
this is,

[Speaker 3] (1:31:11 - 1:31:11)
They

[Speaker 2] (1:31:11 - 1:31:11)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:31:11 - 1:31:12)
they own

[Speaker 2] (1:31:14 - 1:31:18)
They own the parking lot. They own the land that that train station is on.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:18 - 1:31:20)
Yeah, and the parking lots for.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:20 - 1:31:21)
Lots.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:21 - 1:31:22)
Yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:22 - 1:31:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:23 - 1:31:24)
Anyway, go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:25 - 1:31:30)
So just continuing on with the SOMSCAP master plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:30 - 1:31:31)
there are many.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:32 - 1:31:34)
places in the plan where this is directly referenced.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:35 - 1:31:39)
So it's referenced as one of the interconnected cross-topic themes.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:39 - 1:31:43)
Number two in the whole plan is to foster sustainable,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:43 - 1:31:45)
walkable, and transit-oriented growth.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:45 - 1:31:47)
That's exactly what this is.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:47 - 1:31:52)
One of the key issues that's called out in the plan is coordinating transportation and land use.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:52 - 1:31:54)
And in that description,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:54 - 1:31:57)
they say that

[Speaker 1] (1:31:57 - 1:32:03)
There are powerful opportunities to create walkable, bikeable, and transit oriented mixed use village centers.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:03 - 1:32:12)
So that's, you know, mentioned throughout the plan and we do have at the bottom here a specific action item for this.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:12 - 1:32:19)
So this would be, you know, one of our first initiatives that we are trying to put into place now that we've adopted the master plan,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:19 - 1:32:20)
there is.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:21 - 1:32:26)
As a goal, a specific goal that's under the strategy of support mixed-use development,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:26 - 1:32:33)
but the goal itself says adopt zoning amendments and design guidelines for key mixed-use areas,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:33 - 1:32:36)
including Vinnin Square and the commuter rail station,

[Speaker 1] (1:32:36 - 1:32:39)
encouraging transit-oriented development by 2028.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:39 - 1:32:43)
So this is very clearly called out as one of the goals in the plan.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:44 - 1:32:46)
So it would be very exciting to move this forward.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:50 - 1:32:58)
This came out of our discussion with the Planning Board last meeting. This is the project approval timeline.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:59 - 1:33:01)
It is a pretty tight timeline,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:01 - 1:33:04)
but it does work if we meet all of our deadlines.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:05 - 1:33:11)
We are currently working on finalizing a contract with MAPC for technical assistance,

[Speaker 1] (1:33:12 - 1:33:13)
so they provided us...

[Speaker 1] (1:33:14 - 1:33:30)
their timeline and I combined that with the town administrator provided a timeline with select board so it has those key dates as well as the key dates that MAPCR consultant provided for the technical assistance work.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:31 - 1:33:40)
So we start off with today is July 13th this is that pre-application public hearing and then

[Speaker 1] (1:33:40 - 1:34:02)
Through July and August MAPC would work on their technical build out and analysis. So that includes space mapping of existing conditions and they would do site plan test fits for max build out analysis so they would, based off of our zoning district parameters that we provide to them based off of the district that we draw.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:03 - 1:34:16)
They can run different scenarios and do mass build-out analyses based off of the unit counts and the different provisions that we provide for requirements in this district.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:16 - 1:34:20)
So depending on how high we require the buildings to be,

[Speaker 1] (1:34:20 - 1:34:22)
they could do an analysis of how many units that.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:22 - 1:34:39)
potentially could generate you know if we decide we want building height or density to be lower they could do that calculation as well so they would be taking on all of those technical calculations for us and that would also include financial calculations so

[Speaker 1] (1:34:41 - 1:34:45)
Thinking of what incentive revenue could this district potentially generate,

[Speaker 1] (1:34:45 - 1:34:54)
they would be doing those calculations as well when they're doing this and they would provide estimates and they will also help us with basic.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:54 - 1:35:10)
zoning perimeter like an outline of that as well so that would be over the next two months we would be hoping to get all of that together here we have this very solid deadline of MAPC

[Speaker 1] (1:35:12 - 1:35:33)
sometime mid to late August would fill out the HLC 40R application form because they do ask that we submit 90 days in advance so that's why that hard deadline is there it doesn't mean we can't work on it or have our public meetings and engagement in the meantime but we do want to submit to them to let them know that

[Speaker 1] (1:35:34 - 1:35:45)
You know, we are moving this forward and taking it seriously and Marcy and I did have a call with HLC and they're okay with this timeline as well. So we've checked with them also.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:46 - 1:35:59)
And then sometime in late August, once we figured out potential parameters for what the zoning district standards might look like, then we could have

[Speaker 1] (1:36:00 - 1:36:01)
Another public session,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:01 - 1:36:03)
this would be since it's late August,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:03 - 1:36:11)
we would check in with you guys in August at our August meeting to go over the parameters that MAPC came up with,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:11 - 1:36:13)
get your takes on that,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:13 - 1:36:17)
and then late August we would have a second public session separate from.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:18 - 1:36:41)
planning board after we've gotten your feedback on all of the first stuff and potentially a two-week online public comment portal as well so we would be really pushing the community engagement to make sure we're reaching everyone and getting feedback at that time once we have you know an idea of what the standards might be and between these bars we have the

[Speaker 1] (1:36:42 - 1:37:08)
town meeting warrant opens and closes so it opens on september 2nd it closes on october 7th um in this time mapc will be writing basic design standards for us this is something that they've done before um so they are you know they have a general template of what they normally provide but they will be tailoring to what the board wants and what we um

[Speaker 1] (1:37:09 - 1:37:13)
what the vision is for this district based on the conversations that we have.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:14 - 1:37:18)
In here, before the town meeting warrant closes,

[Speaker 1] (1:37:18 - 1:37:25)
here's another small blue dot. This is when staff would post the 40R on the website and add the warrant to town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:25 - 1:37:27)
So before it closes on the 7th.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:37 - 1:37:38)
Did someone want to speak in?

[Speaker 1] (1:37:39 - 1:37:41)
Was someone online trying to speak?

[Speaker 1] (1:37:42 - 1:37:43)
Or all good.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:45 - 1:37:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:48 - 1:38:00)
And then mid-October, the idea is that we would present the 40-hour project at a joint planning board and select board meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:00 - 1:38:02)
Sorry, let me move this out of the way.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:03 - 1:38:08)
sometime mid-October before that October 21st selectation deadline.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:09 - 1:38:18)
So this this whole the mapping and so forth and when they do the test fit and all that it's really based upon redevelopment, you know, if

[Speaker 2] (1:38:20 - 1:38:26)
what properties are want to redevelop what properties may in the future want to redevelop that kind of

[Speaker 1] (1:38:26 - 1:38:26)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:38:26 - 1:38:26)
thing yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:38:26 - 1:38:33)
they map out what's existing and then potentially how much could be generated if the properties are redeveloped.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:33 - 1:38:43)
right so based upon any guidelines that we might want to adopt for that neighborhood including setbacks or as you know step setbacks as you go Yeah, yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:38:43 - 1:38:45)
that would all go into their macro.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:45 - 1:38:48)
max unit calculations that they would be doing for the district.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:50 - 1:38:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:51 - 1:38:56)
So October 21st is that select board recommendation deadline.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:57 - 1:39:03)
Between then and December 7th, we have time to submit to HLC for last review.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:03 - 1:39:04)
So if we have

[Speaker 1] (1:39:04 - 1:39:14)
changed anything from the initial application we would still have time between that October 21st deadline when the select board you know recommends that this move forward.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:15 - 1:39:21)
we would have time to submit for last review at HLC before the December 7th meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:26 - 1:39:31)
This is what we have so far, and I will continue every meeting.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:31 - 1:39:36)
I can gray out what we've gotten past and we can talk about where we are and if we're on track and everything like that.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:36 - 1:39:43)
So this can be something that I present to you every meeting as we're moving forward to make sure that we're meeting all of our deadlines and

[Speaker 2] (1:39:43 - 1:39:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:44 - 1:39:46)
on track to move this forward since it is pretty tight.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:46 - 1:39:52)
In terms of a better notification for our next meeting, because I don't know what, you know.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:53 - 1:39:54)
For this kind of a project,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:55 - 1:39:56)
would,

[Speaker 2] (1:39:56 - 1:40:01)
you know, do we have a notification area like within a mile radius?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:01 - 1:40:04)
I mean, what is the notification?

[Speaker 2] (1:40:06 - 1:40:07)
guideline that we're using.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:07 - 1:40:08)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:08 - 1:40:09)
So for this meeting today,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:09 - 1:40:14)
we notified everyone whose property was within the proposed district boundary and

[Speaker 2] (1:40:14 - 1:40:15)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:40:15 - 1:40:15)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:40:15 - 1:40:15)
within,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:16 - 1:40:16)
all right.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:16 - 1:40:32)
can talk about it and I'll look through the 40-hour standards to make sure that there's not a buffer that we need to adhere to for upcoming meetings. But as for this meeting, it was noticed for just properties that were within the district.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:32 - 1:40:35)
Did you give me anything back? Just curious,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:35 - 1:40:36)
did you get any feedback?

[Speaker 8] (1:40:36 - 1:40:36)
Nothing,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:36 - 1:40:36)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:37 - 1:40:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:39 - 1:40:40)
It's interesting.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:43 - 1:40:46)
This is really clear.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:46 - 1:40:53)
I feel positive about this, and I'm just sort of curious if you have any knowledge of other.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:54 - 1:41:12)
uh jurisdictions when a 40 40 our um zone is sort of proposed has there been major pushback um on it it's and i know that if you were doing this over a residential neighborhood you might have a different uh level of reaction to

[Speaker 1] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:41:12 - 1:41:12)
it

[Speaker 1] (1:41:12 - 1:41:16)
know historically here there was major pushback, but the last time

[Speaker 2] (1:41:16 - 1:41:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:41:17 - 1:41:17)
even with that

[Speaker 2] (1:41:17 - 1:41:20)
there were just there was nothing this tightly

[Speaker 2] (1:41:21 - 1:41:21)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (1:41:21 - 1:41:22)
Goodbye.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:22 - 1:41:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:22 - 1:41:22)
right.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:23 - 1:41:28)
So it was like an all over the place kind of thing, which got a lot of people upset.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:28 - 1:41:29)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (1:41:29 - 1:41:29)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:29 - 1:41:30)
So anyway,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:30 - 1:41:36)
Let me ask, so what happens if like the auto collision guy wants to rebuild an auto collision business?

[Speaker 4] (1:41:36 - 1:41:42)
Like does he get tied up with all these regulations and being pushed towards residential?

[Speaker 2] (1:41:42 - 1:41:46)
No, not without complying under 40 hours.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:46 - 1:41:46)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:46 - 1:41:46)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:46 - 1:41:47)
So it's an elective

[Speaker 1] (1:41:47 - 1:41:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:48 - 1:41:48)
right.

[Speaker 1] (1:41:48 - 1:41:49)
it's an overlay.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:49 - 1:41:50)
Okay. It's an overlay.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:50 - 1:41:51)
So he can, he can,

[Speaker 4] (1:41:51 - 1:41:52)
They can he sense it.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:52 - 1:41:52)
can do it.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:52 - 1:41:52)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:41:52 - 1:42:02)
Yes. There are, he could sell the property for probably a lot of money and, you know, to somebody who wants to develop something right next to the train station, but, and move someplace else every fire

[Speaker 4] (1:42:02 - 1:42:03)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:42:03 - 1:42:03)
or whatever.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:03 - 1:42:04)
it doesn't govern anything

[Speaker 2] (1:42:04 - 1:42:05)
Nope.

[Speaker 4] (1:42:05 - 1:42:07)
with existing, any existing building.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:07 - 1:42:10)
Underlying zoning is what they use.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:11 - 1:42:19)
Right. And so here's just another graphic that shows the buildings and it's a little bit closer,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:19 - 1:42:20)
but you can see these,

[Speaker 1] (1:42:20 - 1:42:27)
you can more clearly see the housing authority properties here and here that take up a decent amount of space.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:27 - 1:42:38)
But I think the biggest pushback we're going to hear is going to be about parking, which has been the age-old, you know, issue around the train station and which is, you know, just with...

[Speaker 2] (1:42:39 - 1:42:41)
something else to consider because

[Speaker 2] (1:42:42 - 1:42:44)
40-yard lens has reduced parking simply

[Speaker 1] (1:42:44 - 1:42:45)
Yep, yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:45 - 1:42:57)
be in fact encourages reduced parking simply because boom there you are at the train station but you can't take the train to go to stop and shop so there's a lot of you know people need their cars um or they're

[Speaker 4] (1:42:57 - 1:42:57)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:42:57 - 1:42:57)
behind

[Speaker 4] (1:42:57 - 1:42:57)
think

[Speaker 2] (1:42:57 - 1:43:05)
they start letters outside of the zone yeah yeah and so there's there's a lot of stuff that we have to um be prepared for you know that well you

[Speaker 3] (1:43:05 - 1:43:06)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:43:06 - 1:43:06)
know it's

[Speaker 3] (1:43:06 - 1:43:08)
then the one question I would have is this section of

[Speaker 3] (1:43:08 - 1:43:15)
of visits coming up Earl Street is that capturing that's all or

[Speaker 3] (1:43:16 - 1:43:17)
at these zones

[Speaker 1] (1:43:19 - 1:43:22)
This is A4 right here. I'll go back to the other map.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:24 - 1:43:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:25 - 1:43:25)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:43:25 - 1:43:25)
I'm going to talk

[Speaker 1] (1:43:25 - 1:43:26)
there are

[Speaker 2] (1:43:26 - 1:43:26)
about

[Speaker 1] (1:43:26 - 1:43:29)
a few properties that are A4 right on the bottom.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:31 - 1:43:33)
And then this is B1 right here.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:33 - 1:43:38)
And I'm just, I'm curious because those parties weren't reacting to this.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:38 - 1:43:40)
They did not respond.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:40 - 1:43:44)
And it's, you know, it's something where if we wanted to jog it up and around,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:44 - 1:43:45)
that's

[Speaker 3] (1:43:45 - 1:43:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:45 - 1:43:46)
something that we could do.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:46 - 1:43:48)
What drove the inclusion,

[Speaker 3] (1:43:48 - 1:43:50)
the fact that there was a street?

[Speaker 3] (1:43:51 - 1:43:51)
Or...

[Speaker 1] (1:43:51 - 1:43:52)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:54 - 1:43:54)
So, yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:55 - 1:43:57)
it was discussions that we had internally,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:57 - 1:44:05)
so we talked about both in the direction that we were given this day included cut it down the street.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:06 - 1:44:12)
So it's discussions that we can have as the planning board if you would prefer to not include these houses,

[Speaker 1] (1:44:12 - 1:44:16)
you know, we could cut it up in this way, but it was because of the street to make it cleaner.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:16 - 1:44:17)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:17 - 1:44:20)
I think that that would be, they have been notified.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:21 - 1:44:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:21 - 1:44:21)
Those

[Speaker 1] (1:44:21 - 1:44:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:22 - 1:44:23)
individuals have been notified so,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:23 - 1:44:30)
you know, we might think about due diligence on those as as they are the only three

[Speaker 1] (1:44:32 - 1:44:34)
there are a few.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:34 - 1:44:36)
I think it's around five.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:36 - 1:44:43)
There are two right here next to this housing authority property and there's one right here.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:43 - 1:44:50)
Because I think there would be a logic in actually sort of stepping back and saying, you know, you're the six that are non-commercial.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:50 - 1:44:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:50 - 1:44:52)
This is what would be beneficial.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:52 - 1:44:54)
This isn't changing,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:54 - 1:44:56)
like this isn't something that's booting you out.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:56 - 1:44:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:57 - 1:44:59)
But I think due diligence in that would go a long way.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:00 - 1:45:01)
I think that's a great point,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:01 - 1:45:03)
especially because there aren't that many.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:05 - 1:45:08)
We will make sure to reach out to them and actually get a hold of them hopefully and

[Speaker 3] (1:45:08 - 1:45:09)
No, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:09 - 1:45:10)
explain what's

[Speaker 3] (1:45:10 - 1:45:16)
because I think if that was if that was done it would lead a long way and if the explanation was that

[Speaker 1] (1:45:17 - 1:45:19)
It's an overlay district and you don't actually

[Speaker 3] (1:45:19 - 1:45:19)
You

[Speaker 1] (1:45:19 - 1:45:20)
have to

[Speaker 3] (1:45:20 - 1:45:29)
don't have to do anything But I think that the overlay can be confusing people and I just think as a resident it could be more upsetting than someone that owns a commercial property

[Speaker 1] (1:45:29 - 1:45:30)
We want to make sure that

[Speaker 1] (1:45:31 - 1:45:32)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (1:45:32 - 1:45:44)
everyone understands what's going on and we don't want anyone to think that we are rezoning their property up from under them or anything like that. So I think that that's a really good, good note to take on

[Speaker 3] (1:45:44 - 1:45:44)
There's

[Speaker 1] (1:45:44 - 1:45:44)
this.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:44 - 1:45:46)
a couple of historic buildings in there,

[Speaker 3] (1:45:46 - 1:45:49)
and I'm just curious,

[Speaker 3] (1:45:49 - 1:45:53)
the one that you've got the cursor on right now is probably...

[Speaker 3] (1:45:55 - 1:45:55)
Right there.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:55 - 1:45:56)
Mm.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:56 - 1:46:04)
Are there any considerations in this for historic reuse or is

[Speaker 1] (1:46:06 - 1:46:06)
There

[Speaker 3] (1:46:06 - 1:46:06)
it not?

[Speaker 1] (1:46:06 - 1:46:13)
potentially could be. So part of this is going to be creating design criteria and things like that.

[Speaker 1] (1:46:14 - 1:46:20)
So potentially that can be something that we talk about.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:21 - 1:46:29)
Because I think it would be it would be an interesting thing to lean into a little bit about this because it's my first exposure to Swampsgate was

[Speaker 1] (1:46:29 - 1:46:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:30 - 1:46:34)
in the 80s and that cluster of buildings.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:36 - 1:46:37)
From the train,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:37 - 1:46:39)
having never gotten off the train in Swampskate,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:39 - 1:46:44)
that included the depot, the turreted house on the corner,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:44 - 1:46:53)
the dental office building that are all of a very similar 19th century era really serves as a gateway.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:54 - 1:46:56)
So I think thought about.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:57 - 1:46:59)
preserving that sense

[Speaker 2] (1:46:59 - 1:46:59)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:59 - 1:46:59)
of

[Speaker 1] (1:46:59 - 1:47:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:00 - 1:47:01)
arrival would be important.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:01 - 1:47:06)
That is definitely something that as part of the design standards,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:06 - 1:47:08)
we have the ability to preserve.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:15 - 1:47:18)
Do you think would anyone be upset that their property isn't included?

[Speaker 2] (1:47:19 - 1:47:20)
But we'll find out.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:20 - 1:47:24)
Yeah, maybe this whole block wants to be included.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:24 - 1:47:30)
It's interesting that we have the street there, but then we break that by the zone on the other side.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:30 - 1:47:36)
So maybe unless there's a compelling reason, maybe we should just, you know.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:37 - 1:47:38)
Be consistent.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:38 - 1:47:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:39 - 1:47:41)
So where exactly are you

[Speaker 3] (1:47:41 - 1:47:42)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
looking,

[Speaker 4] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
Just

[Speaker 3] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
know.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
so

[Speaker 4] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
the

[Speaker 3] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:47:42 - 1:47:43)
G's.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:43 - 1:47:43)
see.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:43 - 1:47:44)
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:44 - 1:47:44)
here,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:44 - 1:47:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:45 - 1:47:46)
this,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:46 - 1:47:46)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:46 - 1:47:47)
that would,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:47 - 1:47:48)
I mean, that would make it cleaner.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:49 - 1:47:49)
But

[Speaker 3] (1:47:49 - 1:47:51)
It would make it cleaner,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:51 - 1:47:52)
but it would also,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:52 - 1:47:54)
is that superior or inferior?

[Speaker 3] (1:47:54 - 1:47:55)
I can't remember.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:56 - 1:47:57)
So that street,

[Speaker 1] (1:47:57 - 1:47:57)
The

[Speaker 3] (1:47:57 - 1:47:58)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58)
street?

[Speaker 3] (1:47:58 - 1:47:59)
think we would really,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:00 - 1:48:08)
we should really sort of analyze the scale of the street frontage because that little cut in to like what I'm saying, how is it going to be able to put in that street,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:08 - 1:48:11)
why would we then just make street sort of established and pretty good?

[Speaker 1] (1:48:12 - 1:48:12)
Um,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:12 - 1:48:12)
That's

[Speaker 1] (1:48:12 - 1:48:13)
right.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:13 - 1:48:13)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:13 - 1:48:14)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:14 - 1:48:16)
But this follows like the zoning line,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:16 - 1:48:16)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:16 - 1:48:18)
but this just follows the street line.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:18 - 1:48:18)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:18 - 1:48:19)
So I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:19 - 1:48:20)
But these people,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:20 - 1:48:20)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:48:20 - 1:48:20)
I don't think

[Speaker 3] (1:48:20 - 1:48:23)
want them to see it and be like, oh, there's something weird because,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:23 - 1:48:24)
you know, well,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:24 - 1:48:28)
that they look at, how come I'm not in it? What if I want to put mine?

[Speaker 3] (1:48:28 - 1:48:29)
that's what I'm saying.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:29 - 1:48:32)
What if this person's like, well, why am I not in it?

[Speaker 3] (1:48:32 - 1:48:32)
You know, it might be.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:32 - 1:48:34)
They can, they can,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:34 - 1:48:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:34 - 1:48:34)
they

[Speaker 3] (1:48:34 - 1:48:35)
that's true.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:35 - 1:48:35)
I just I

[Speaker 2] (1:48:35 - 1:48:35)
can always

[Speaker 3] (1:48:35 - 1:48:35)
feel

[Speaker 2] (1:48:35 - 1:48:35)
enter.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:35 - 1:48:37)
like it works more consistent in the.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:37 - 1:48:37)
In the approach of the season,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:37 - 1:48:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:38 - 1:48:40)
just say, well, this is why we're doing it this way, because,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:40 - 1:48:41)
I'd be way more

[Speaker 3] (1:48:41 - 1:48:41)
you

[Speaker 2] (1:48:41 - 1:48:41)
cautious

[Speaker 3] (1:48:41 - 1:48:42)
know, protecting the

[Speaker 2] (1:48:42 - 1:48:51)
maybe in terms of we're outlying stuff so people don't feel like it's really encroaching like deep these houses on real sacks and you

[Speaker 3] (1:48:51 - 1:48:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:51 - 1:48:54)
know anyway we can we

[Speaker 1] (1:48:54 - 1:48:54)
And we

[Speaker 2] (1:48:54 - 1:48:54)
can

[Speaker 1] (1:48:54 - 1:48:54)
can do

[Speaker 2] (1:48:54 - 1:48:55)
talk about

[Speaker 1] (1:48:55 - 1:48:55)
an

[Speaker 2] (1:48:55 - 1:48:55)
it.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:55 - 1:48:58)
exercise where we draw a different scenario.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:58 - 1:48:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:48:58 - 1:48:59)
I think, you know, that's.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:00 - 1:49:00)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:49:00 - 1:49:02)
Perfect. like there's practice for everyone

[Speaker 2] (1:49:02 - 1:49:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:02 - 1:49:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:02 - 1:49:02)
to kind of take

[Speaker 3] (1:49:02 - 1:49:03)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:03 - 1:49:03)
a stab at.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:03 - 1:49:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:04 - 1:49:09)
I would also recommend walkarounds to really try to get in there and look at what these

[Speaker 2] (1:49:12 - 1:49:13)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:13 - 1:49:13)
a

[Speaker 2] (1:49:13 - 1:49:14)
and one

[Speaker 1] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
okay

[Speaker 2] (1:49:14 - 1:49:19)
of the first schedule items for MAPC is scheduling a site visit.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:19 - 1:49:30)
So once all that's finalized, we will invite the board as well, and everyone can take a walk around and talk about it before.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:31 - 1:49:36)
you know, to get everyone thinking about what might these standards look like and what do we want to see

[Speaker 1] (1:49:36 - 1:49:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:36 - 1:49:36)
here.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:37 - 1:49:42)
Then once they do the max side build up and we do like

[Speaker 3] (1:49:43 - 1:49:52)
I mean, I guess we'd have to look at individual properties for Florida area ratios if that's the kind of thing we're going to look at or first floor commercial. I mean, there's like a lot of

[Speaker 2] (1:49:52 - 1:49:53)
There's a lot

[Speaker 3] (1:49:53 - 1:49:53)
detail.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:53 - 1:50:06)
of different things to look at that their data services team will be doing a level analysis. So hopefully at the next meeting in August we can present to you those findings.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:08 - 1:50:14)
and talk about it before we have like a late august public session

[Speaker 3] (1:50:14 - 1:50:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:14 - 1:50:29)
for comment um i did want to potentially open it up to public comments questions and we can continue this discussion out here but um that is the point of the point of this meeting so i'll let you do it but is

[Speaker 2] (1:50:30 - 1:50:35)
there anyone online who would wish to talk you can raise your hand um

[Speaker 2] (1:50:36 - 1:50:36)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:36 - 1:50:37)
Ted,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:38 - 1:50:39)
I will bring

[Speaker 4] (1:50:41 - 1:50:41)
Thanks,

[Speaker 2] (1:50:41 - 1:50:41)
you over.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:41 - 1:50:41)
Krista.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:42 - 1:50:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:42 - 1:50:43)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 2] (1:50:43 - 1:50:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:44 - 1:50:45)
I will be brief.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:46 - 1:50:51)
I was asked as a liaison from the Affordable Housing Trust to convey Kim,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:51 - 1:50:52)
who's their chair,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:52 - 1:50:56)
her overall support for the concept of the 40Y district over here.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:56 - 1:51:02)
So just wanted to do my due diligence and convey that to the planning board as you guys conceptualize how this might look in writing.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:04 - 1:51:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:04 - 1:51:05)
That's all I got.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:05 - 1:51:06)
Thank you

[Speaker 1] (1:51:10 - 1:51:10)
Anyone else?

[Speaker 1] (1:51:15 - 1:51:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:15 - 1:51:16)
Seeing none.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:18 - 1:51:19)
Any other comments,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:19 - 1:51:20)
questions,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:20 - 1:51:21)
thoughts?

[Speaker 1] (1:51:22 - 1:51:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:25 - 1:51:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:27 - 1:51:28)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:31)
so I guess for next steps on this piece,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:31 - 1:51:39)
Krista, I guess we'll wait until the contract can be finished up with MAPC, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:51:42 - 1:51:45)
We'll have to schedule a meeting for late August if that's going to be immediate

[Speaker 2] (1:51:45 - 1:51:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:45 - 1:51:45)
next steps.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:45 - 1:51:50)
so we will, once that's in writing,

[Speaker 2] (1:51:50 - 1:51:51)
we will schedule the site visit.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:52 - 1:51:56)
We will hopefully get a date where the board can join as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:51:57 - 1:52:02)
And then we will get the public meeting scheduled and started.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:02 - 1:52:04)
And when do they think they'll have like a preliminary?

[Speaker 1] (1:52:05 - 1:52:10)
draft language design criteria for us to be aware we may not know until the training

[Speaker 2] (1:52:10 - 1:52:11)
So they they

[Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
self-start okay

[Speaker 2] (1:52:11 - 1:52:17)
did put together a timeline like a much more detailed potential timeline

[Speaker 1] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:52:17 - 1:52:19)
with their scope that I can share as

[Speaker 1] (1:52:19 - 1:52:20)
that'd

[Speaker 2] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
well.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
be great

[Speaker 2] (1:52:22 - 1:52:23)
To hopefully fit,

[Speaker 2] (1:52:23 - 1:52:31)
you know, this whole effort in with the deadlines we have later this year. So I on the timeline that I showed I showed like

[Speaker 2] (1:52:32 - 1:52:38)
general work but there's more refined deadlines within those big bubbles that I had on the timeline so

[Speaker 1] (1:52:38 - 1:52:43)
Are people generally around the last two weeks of their vacations or?

[Speaker 3] (1:52:44 - 1:52:44)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:44 - 1:52:45)
I might be,

[Speaker 3] (1:52:45 - 1:52:48)
I might, I might.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:49 - 1:52:49)
I might be scheduled

[Speaker 1] (1:52:49 - 1:52:50)
Maybe we

[Speaker 3] (1:52:50 - 1:52:50)
could for

[Speaker 1] (1:52:50 - 1:52:50)
all just

[Speaker 3] (1:52:50 - 1:52:50)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:52:50 - 1:52:51)
email

[Speaker 3] (1:52:51 - 1:52:51)
mostly

[Speaker 1] (1:52:51 - 1:52:51)
and

[Speaker 3] (1:52:51 - 1:52:52)
it's going to be

[Speaker 2] (1:52:52 - 1:52:52)
yeah

[Speaker 3] (1:52:52 - 1:52:52)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:52:52 - 1:52:55)
I might be able to join online, but okay, right now I'm scheduled to be on vacation.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:55 - 1:52:58)
and what's the day again just let me just double

[Speaker 2] (1:52:58 - 1:52:59)
just

[Speaker 3] (1:52:59 - 1:52:59)
check I

[Speaker 1] (1:52:59 - 1:52:59)
We just

[Speaker 2] (1:52:59 - 1:52:59)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:52:59 - 1:53:00)
know last two

[Speaker 2] (1:53:00 - 1:53:00)
just

[Speaker 1] (1:53:00 - 1:53:00)
weeks.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:00 - 1:53:02)
the last few weeks of

[Speaker 3] (1:53:02 - 1:53:02)
mean

[Speaker 2] (1:53:02 - 1:53:02)
the audits

[Speaker 3] (1:53:02 - 1:53:06)
I will be here so I don't know whether that will yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:53:06 - 1:53:14)
and that it can overlap the opening of the warrant right um so ideally you know we wanted to have it before that but um it can

[Speaker 1] (1:53:14 - 1:53:14)
Maybe

[Speaker 2] (1:53:14 - 1:53:15)
we

[Speaker 1] (1:53:15 - 1:53:15)
if everyone could just shoot.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:15 - 1:53:16)
need to push

[Speaker 1] (1:53:15 - 1:53:16)
people just go there

[Speaker 3] (1:53:16 - 1:53:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:16 - 1:53:17)
like schedules and

[Speaker 2] (1:53:17 - 1:53:18)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:53:18 - 1:53:18)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:53:18 - 1:53:19)
can do a doodle. I can do.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:19 - 1:53:21)
do it yeah yeah perfect okay

[Speaker 2] (1:53:21 - 1:53:23)
So I will hope you're I will plan on doing that.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:24 - 1:53:29)
I'll send you a little more detail about what my anticipated availability is going to be.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:30 - 1:53:30)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:31 - 1:53:32)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:53:32 - 1:53:32)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:53:32 - 1:53:33)
thank you for listening.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:33 - 1:53:33)
Now

[Speaker 3] (1:53:33 - 1:53:34)
Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:34 - 1:53:41)
for the next meetings, we will really, really try and get the public engaged in here.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:43 - 1:53:46)
because we don't want them to be blindsided

[Speaker 3] (1:53:46 - 1:53:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:46 - 1:54:09)
and we want to make sure it's a transparent process throughout this meeting you know was a little last minute we weren't able to do as much engagement leading up to it just because we did want to meet the pre-application deadline to make sure we're on track for the 90 days but we for the public engagement that we'll be doing in August we really want to make sure we get everyone possible out

[Speaker 2] (1:54:09 - 1:54:13)
So that'll be a really concerted effort on SAF's part.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:13 - 1:54:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:13 - 1:54:14)
So just letting

[Speaker 3] (1:54:14 - 1:54:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:54:15 - 1:54:15)
you know.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:15 - 1:54:16)
at the top of your journal.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:16 - 1:54:17)
Yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:17 - 1:54:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:23 - 1:54:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:24 - 1:54:28)
All right. The next item is discussion of potential zoning bylaw amendments.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:29 - 1:54:30)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:30 - 1:54:33)
So we have quite a few things for you all.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:36 - 1:54:37)
Some things I've expanded since last time,

[Speaker 2] (1:54:37 - 1:54:46)
some things haven't. So we have a list of the potential 2026 zoning bylaw updates.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:46 - 1:54:50)
This includes number one is editorial and legal corrections.

[Speaker 2] (1:54:51 - 1:55:01)
These are changes that were made throughout the draft version of the bylaw, and this is based off of a 2024 editorial and legal analysis that was done of the entire code.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:01 - 1:55:07)
And it was done, they're thinking of hopefully transitioning our code online.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:08 - 1:55:11)
So this was done back then in anticipation for that,

[Speaker 2] (1:55:11 - 1:55:19)
but it includes typo, fixing typos, changing language for consistency,

[Speaker 2] (1:55:19 - 1:55:28)
the way we say bylaw with a hyphen, without hyphen, you know, many technical revisions like that.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:29 - 1:55:53)
um as well as a few just like updates of outdated statutes that were referenced things like that so I'll go through that when we get to it but um those are changes throughout and that was based off of that analysis that was done so we figured might as well incorporate everything now there's no real reason to wait until we get our code online to make those changes

[Speaker 2] (1:55:55 - 1:55:58)
Number two is an update for child care uses.

[Speaker 2] (1:55:58 - 1:56:09)
I'll get to it, but this is a recommendation from KP Law to make sure that we are in accordance with state law and what's exempt and what's not in terms of child care.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:09 - 1:56:13)
So it's just an update in our table of uses that I will go through with you guys.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:14 - 1:56:20)
This is one that we talked about last time, the preservation of mixed use and commercial space in B1 and B2 we can talk about.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:20 - 1:56:21)
about the draft language.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:22 - 1:56:24)
We did send a draft to KP Law,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:25 - 1:56:32)
but I know Joe had a chance to look at it and has some proposed changes to the language so we could talk about that.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:33 - 1:56:34)
Number four,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:34 - 1:56:36)
accessory outdoor seating.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:36 - 1:56:44)
That entire section was completely expired out of date because it was for COVID and it was only relevant through 2023.

[Speaker 2] (1:56:45 - 1:56:47)
As a town, we still allow outdoor seating,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:47 - 1:56:56)
so this would just be striking that section from the code and introducing some standards that apply to outdoor seating for patios, restaurants,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:57 - 1:56:58)
coffee shops,

[Speaker 2] (1:56:58 - 1:56:59)
cafes.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:02 - 1:57:03)
Quick question on that.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:03 - 1:57:06)
Is that something that needs to have public hearing?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:09 - 1:57:09)
Of course.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:09 - 1:57:15)
I mean, all of these we will need to do public hearing on for the zoning changes.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:15 - 1:57:15)
Perfect.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:16 - 1:57:20)
These are just discussions before we get the language to where we want it,

[Speaker 2] (1:57:20 - 1:57:25)
or we will propose something definite to the public for feedback.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:26 - 1:57:32)
But yes, all of these will need to be a public hearing in the future.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:34 - 1:57:41)
So, Pearl Street PDD, this is the Recharge Center property.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:41 - 1:57:46)
The only allowed uses in it currently are residential uses.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:46 - 1:57:49)
So even the uses that are in it now are nonconforming.

[Speaker 2] (1:57:49 - 1:58:00)
So adding in uses to bring the uses that have been there historically into conformance.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:01 - 1:58:12)
and potentially allow for clubs, lodges, fraternal organizations if the BMW were to be relocated there.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:13 - 1:58:15)
So that has always been will be residential.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:15 - 1:58:18)
Ever since the PDD was approved,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:18 - 1:58:20)
which I think is in like,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:21 - 1:58:23)
it was at least 10 years ago.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:25 - 1:58:28)
Yep. So and I'll show you the specific section,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:28 - 1:58:31)
but it only allows right now for residential uses.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:31 - 1:58:43)
So we would be hopefully bringing all the historic uses that we're not conforming into conformance by adding in more uses into that PDD.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:44 - 1:58:48)
ADUs, this is based off of the conversations that we've had.

[Speaker 2] (1:58:48 - 1:58:51)
I was able to send some draft language to keep you all,

[Speaker 2] (1:58:51 - 1:58:59)
we can talk about it. It's just a single line exempting ADUs from site plan special permit.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:00 - 1:59:04)
And then our building commissioner drew in a

[Speaker 1] (1:59:11 - 1:59:14)
So we will, we're proposing to add that in at the end.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:15 - 1:59:17)
So I will show that as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:17 - 1:59:19)
And then Tree Committee bylaw changes.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:19 - 1:59:21)
This is what was proposed earlier,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:21 - 1:59:23)
so we won't need to cover that again.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:25 - 1:59:29)
As for just thinking about how we're going to present this all, obviously it's a lot.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:29 - 1:59:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:33 - 1:59:37)
You know, each one will have its own word article,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:37 - 1:59:38)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:59:39 - 1:59:40)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:40 - 1:59:40)
and

[Speaker 1] (1:59:40 - 1:59:40)
I do.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:40 - 2:00:04)
is there a way that we can sort of group them or maybe it's just that when we get up at that meeting we'll just you know presentation presented that way but just to frame it for folks so like some of these are uh it's purely administrative right some of these are required by statute and these are i don't know what i call them innovative like something like these are the things that we think are

[Speaker 2] (2:00:04 - 2:00:09)
important like improvements for the town right um how

[Speaker 1] (2:00:09 - 2:00:11)
yeah figuring out how to group yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:00:11 - 2:00:17)
to group them yeah because you know hopefully hopefully we don't have to spend a lot of time talking about removing the hyphen from bylaw

[Speaker 1] (2:00:17 - 2:00:21)
this is just to explain to you all but yeah these i think could just be yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:00:21 - 2:00:25)
so that folks know like where where does their attention really need to be focused

[Speaker 1] (2:00:26 - 2:00:31)
yeah i i think that's a good point thinking about how to group and frame it um

[Speaker 1] (2:00:32 - 2:00:32)
For now,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:32 - 2:00:34)
I'm going to explain to you everything

[Speaker 2] (2:00:34 - 2:00:34)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:34 - 2:00:35)
that I put in there.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:35 - 2:00:36)
But yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:36 - 2:00:37)
for town meeting,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:37 - 2:00:39)
we hopefully won't need to go through this whole,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:39 - 2:00:43)
you know, word by word presentation of what was changed.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:44 - 2:00:45)
So again,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:45 - 2:00:49)
this is recommendations from the 2024 editorial and legal code analysis,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:50 - 2:00:52)
improved grammar,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:52 - 2:00:52)
formatting,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:52 - 2:00:57)
consistency and clarity throughout the bylaws. So the whole board of appeals section.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:58 - 2:00:59)
It says Board of Appeals throughout,

[Speaker 3] (2:00:59 - 2:01:00)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:00 - 2:01:00)
right,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:00 - 2:01:02)
recommended we change it to zoning board of appeals.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:02 - 2:01:05)
So I added in a zoning before every board of appeals,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:13)
you know, throughout the bylaw, bylaws hyphened or bylaws bylaws, it's plural.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:13 - 2:01:16)
So changing all of those to zoning bylaw, no hyphen,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:16 - 2:01:19)
throughout. So for consistency,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:19 - 2:01:22)
adding a dash between the zoning districts.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:23 - 2:01:45)
for consistency so you know A1 is now A-1 throughout updating any of the many mentions of DHCD to EO HLC there are quite a few of those so I went through and I updated all those throughout and then Joe had a good comment that said also add or any other

[Speaker 1] (2:01:46 - 2:01:47)
proceeding agency or

[Speaker 2] (2:01:47 - 2:01:47)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:01:47 - 2:01:47)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:01:47 - 2:01:49)
it's been successful in its size.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:49 - 2:02:06)
yeah so that way we won't have to continue to do this every time anything like that changes an interesting one that was pointed out was sometimes the wireless communications facilities overlay district is referenced as the wireless communication services overlay district

[Speaker 1] (2:02:07 - 2:02:11)
And whenever it was mentioned as that, it's changed to facilities because that's what it is.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:12 - 2:02:13)
right yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:02:13 - 2:02:16)
So just clarifying any errors. This isn't everything.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:17 - 2:02:21)
There are other things that we went through and changed based off of these,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:21 - 2:02:26)
but these are just some examples of the types of consistency grammar changes that

[Speaker 4] (2:02:26 - 2:02:26)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:02:26 - 2:02:26)
we went

[Speaker 4] (2:02:26 - 2:02:27)
always

[Speaker 1] (2:02:27 - 2:02:27)
through.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:27 - 2:02:32)
make the mention you know during the presentation that it doesn't that that

[Speaker 4] (2:02:32 - 2:02:38)
All of these sort of administrative editorial changes do not impact the intent

[Speaker 1] (2:02:38 - 2:02:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:38 - 2:02:40)
of any of the bylaws

[Speaker 1] (2:02:40 - 2:02:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:41 - 2:02:41)
anyways.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:41 - 2:02:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:41 - 2:02:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:42 - 2:02:53)
It's just going through and updating. I also updated like the font for the MBTA community's overlay district because it's for some reason in a completely different font.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:53 - 2:02:56)
So updating, you know, formatting and things like that as well.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:59 - 2:03:07)
And I noticed how you, and I'm assuming it was you who's been adding to the bylaw the dates that certain things were updated or adopted.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:08 - 2:03:11)
I don't know, I didn't notice that in there before. I mean, maybe,

[Speaker 4] (2:03:11 - 2:03:12)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:12 - 2:03:14)
So it's been in there,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:14 - 2:03:16)
but we will continue to do that just

[Speaker 4] (2:03:16 - 2:03:16)
just

[Speaker 1] (2:03:16 - 2:03:17)
so people have

[Speaker 4] (2:03:17 - 2:03:18)
look to make sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:18 - 2:03:18)
the reference point

[Speaker 4] (2:03:18 - 2:03:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:18 - 2:03:19)
because

[Speaker 4] (2:03:19 - 2:03:19)
it's why you

[Speaker 1] (2:03:19 - 2:03:19)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:03:19 - 2:03:19)
knew me or that.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:19 - 2:03:25)
so often in conversations that we have, it's like that was passed.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:26 - 2:03:26)
At some point,

[Speaker 4] (2:03:26 - 2:03:27)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:27 - 2:03:27)
you know, in

[Speaker 4] (2:03:27 - 2:03:27)
we

[Speaker 1] (2:03:27 - 2:03:29)
the past 20 years, I'm trying to figure out exactly when.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:29 - 2:03:32)
failed to remember some of them, but I knew more.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:34 - 2:03:51)
So the child care uses, this came from, this actually came to me from Rich Baldacci, our building commissioner. He had had a conversation with KP Law about state law and the requirements.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:52 - 2:03:55)
For, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:56 - 2:03:59)
I'm going to reference the exact state law section.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:59 - 2:04:12)
The requirements for exemptions of family daycare type uses currently right now. We have family daycare listed under institutional uses where it is required by special permit throughout.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:13 - 2:04:13)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:14 - 2:04:17)
KB law's recommendation is that

[Speaker 1] (2:04:18 - 2:04:24)
to comply with state law we cannot require a special permit for family child care homes um right

[Speaker 4] (2:04:24 - 2:04:25)
In someone's home.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:25 - 2:04:34)
so this would be moved to exempt uses with child care facility and that is um

[Speaker 1] (2:04:37 - 2:04:40)
reference to 40A Section 3 that was recently

[Speaker 4] (2:04:40 - 2:04:40)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:04:40 - 2:04:40)
amended.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:40 - 2:04:48)
does that say in someone's existing home or can you go into an A1 district and buy an empty lot and build a daycare center?

[Speaker 4] (2:04:50 - 2:04:51)
It's both,

[Speaker 4] (2:04:51 - 2:04:51)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:04:51 - 2:04:52)
Child care facility and family.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:54 - 2:05:02)
Right. And so I can, let me pull up, basically it says family child care home.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:04 - 2:05:07)
The institution has got changed to adult daycare only,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:07 - 2:05:07)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:05:07 - 2:05:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:07 - 2:05:08)
not daycare. I see.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:08 - 2:05:14)
Shall be an allowable use and no city or town shall prohibit or regulate such a use in its zoning ordinance.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:16 - 2:05:17)
So, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:17 - 2:05:30)
So this is 40A section three was recently amended and there is language for this and I can actually pull it up if we want to take a look at it.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:30 - 2:05:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:30 - 2:05:37)
But we have, I have a memo from KP Law I can send you as well that talks about the

[Speaker 1] (2:05:39 - 2:05:43)
definitions and, you know, what,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:43 - 2:05:45)
what's allowed and what can be regulated.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:45 - 2:05:46)
So and what's exempt.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:46 - 2:05:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:47 - 2:05:50)
So I can, I can forward that to you.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:50 - 2:05:55)
To go through in case you have any comments for the next the next time we meet to go through this

[Speaker 2] (2:05:56 - 2:05:59)
It's the vertical line after day after adult.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:00 - 2:06:02)
Yeah, there's no type of negative,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:02 - 2:06:03)
okay, I'm adulting.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:08 - 2:06:10)
You know, that may have been my cursor when I took a screenshot.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:10 - 2:06:11)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:11 - 2:06:11)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:06:11 - 2:06:12)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:06:12 - 2:06:12)
don't know.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:12 - 2:06:13)
not really what it But is.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:13 - 2:06:14)
I don't know if

[Speaker 2] (2:06:14 - 2:06:15)
It said like an L,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:15 - 2:06:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:15 - 2:06:16)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:06:16 - 2:06:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:16 - 2:06:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:16 - 2:06:22)
It's probably my cursor when I took a screenshot to add this table in here.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:24 - 2:06:26)
That's my biggest guess or that's my best guess.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:27 - 2:06:29)
So this looks kind of crazy.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:30 - 2:06:33)
But this is what we talked about last meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:33 - 2:06:36)
So this is preservation of ground floor commercial space.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:37 - 2:06:39)
So there

[Speaker 1] (2:06:40 - 2:06:47)
is proposed language to add in a section 2.2.10.2, which is right after section 2.2.10.1,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:47 - 2:06:50)
which is the section that...

[Speaker 1] (2:06:53 - 2:07:17)
basically requires preservation of commercial in B3 and B4 so this would be right after and this would be a new section requiring just planning board special permit for approval of redevelopment projects in B1 and B2 that propose to eliminate all or portion of the existing ground floor commercial

[Speaker 1] (2:07:18 - 2:07:19)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:19 - 2:07:22)
so I provided this proposed language.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:22 - 2:07:24)
This has also been sent to keep you off for review.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:24 - 2:07:24)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:24 - 2:07:27)
so we're waiting to hear back from them on this.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:27 - 2:07:28)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:28 - 2:07:30)
the changes in blue are proposed by Joe.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:31 - 2:07:32)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:32 - 2:07:33)
so we can talk about that. Um,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:33 - 2:07:40)
but I did think it was a good comment that you had potentially by adding this language into number one,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:40 - 2:07:43)
we could remove all of these criteria or potentially.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:44 - 2:07:50)
Right. There was some language in there that was basically saying like all of the different ways that you could.

[Speaker 2] (2:07:51 - 2:08:07)
You know, just as a concept where there could be situations where it does make sense to actually get rid of the commercial use and there was lanes that listed a bunch of instances where that would be okay. And I was thinking rather than trying to list that out,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:07 - 2:08:10)
I said something else, but I forget what I said.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:10 - 2:08:18)
But I just want to try to keep it as tight as possible so that someone really has to show like a significant benefit to the town.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:18 - 2:08:29)
and I don't want folks going through a list of different items thinking about oh well how can I how can I make this happen yeah how can I make this happen right like let's present it to us we don't want to have to eat it you know

[Speaker 4] (2:08:36 - 2:08:37)
Okay, so.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:38 - 2:08:44)
I do want to note that I was just looking in the chat and we did have a public comment.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:44 - 2:08:48)
They just couldn't turn off their camera or their mic. This is from Portyart.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:48 - 2:08:49)
Oh, it's green.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:49 - 2:08:56)
But they live at 7 Porter Place in B1 and would not like to be a part of the zoning line, if that helps.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:56 - 2:08:59)
They would not like to be in it and they're one of those homes that.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:59 - 2:09:00)
said seven

[Speaker 2] (2:09:00 - 2:09:00)
okay

[Speaker 1] (2:09:00 - 2:09:02)
porter place i'll have to look it up but that's

[Speaker 3] (2:09:02 - 2:09:02)
Okay, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:02 - 2:09:02)
definitely something

[Speaker 3] (2:09:02 - 2:09:03)
Left front.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:03 - 2:09:03)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:09:03 - 2:09:04)
I'll help with

[Speaker 1] (2:09:04 - 2:09:04)
thank

[Speaker 2] (2:09:04 - 2:09:04)
that at a point

[Speaker 1] (2:09:04 - 2:09:12)
you for your comment we will take it into account oh and we do have another hand raised it

[Speaker 1] (2:09:16 - 2:09:17)
are we able to

[Speaker 4] (2:09:17 - 2:09:19)
Hi, Jeff Polito. I don't know if you can hear me.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:20 - 2:09:21)
I'm a homeowner.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:22 - 2:09:23)
at 11 Porter Place.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:24 - 2:09:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:25 - 2:09:37)
I concur with Kayla's comment that she had that she's my neighbor at 7 Porter Place and we both would preferably not like to be part of the changes of the B1 zoning.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:38 - 2:09:44)
I have no issues with the current footprint of the building remaining as is.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:45 - 2:09:45)
Um,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:45 - 2:09:49)
as long as the height of whatever new building went in didn't go beyond what it is now,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:49 - 2:09:56)
or the new building did not encroach any further closer to my property,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:57 - 2:09:57)
um,

[Speaker 4] (2:09:58 - 2:10:01)
mostly for privacy issues, but other,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:01 - 2:10:03)
I mean, I like what's proposed in terms of.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:04 - 2:10:07)
Trying to make something nice like pedestrian walking area,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:07 - 2:10:09)
people get off the commuter rail,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:09 - 2:10:11)
there's some nice shops on the first floor.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:11 - 2:10:13)
I think that sounds fantastic.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:14 - 2:10:17)
I think we're just more worried about, at least me personally,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:17 - 2:10:23)
what the footprint of that building is going to look like, how closer it's going to get towards our property line,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:23 - 2:10:28)
how high the building is going to get is concerns for us.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:30 - 2:10:32)
Great. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:32 - 2:10:34)
Yep, thank you

[Speaker 1] (2:10:34 - 2:10:43)
We will definitely keep that into account when we are looking at the boundaries and thinking of setbacks and all the standards for the overlay district.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:43 - 2:10:44)
So thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:58 - 2:10:59)
There might be B3 and B4.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:00 - 2:11:02)
There's not going to be one B2.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:02 - 2:11:04)
Where would B3 and B4,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:04 - 2:11:06)
why would they not fall into that?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:06 - 2:11:11)
I think he's one of the ones that is in that there's a chunk of residential

[Speaker 5] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:11 - 2:11:11)
property.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:11 - 2:11:12)
no, I'm just saying, no,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
for this,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
you're

[Speaker 5] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
for

[Speaker 2] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
saying,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:12 - 2:11:12)
the parking.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:12 - 2:11:13)
I'm sorry,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
Oh, sorry, that's the same thing.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:13 - 2:11:14)
sorry,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
sorry.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:14 - 2:11:16)
I think he does have his hand up again.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:16 - 2:11:17)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:17 - 2:11:17)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:17 - 2:11:23)
You're welcome to unmute again if you have anything additional to say.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:23 - 2:11:24)
No,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:24 - 2:11:25)
I think that's good for now.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:25 - 2:11:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:26 - 2:11:27)
Great. Thank you so much.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:27 - 2:11:28)
Okay. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:28 - 2:11:29)
All right. Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:29 - 2:11:29)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:11:29 - 2:11:29)
Back to...

[Speaker 1] (2:11:29 - 2:11:29)
sorry.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:29 - 2:11:30)
That's the end.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:31 - 2:11:33)
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:33 - 2:11:34)
And it already has,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:34 - 2:11:40)
P3V4 already has the ground floor for quarantine within there,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:40 - 2:11:41)
like the language.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:41 - 2:11:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:04 - 2:12:04)
It sounds okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:04 - 2:12:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:05 - 2:12:06)
Any thoughts or?

[Speaker 5] (2:12:07 - 2:12:11)
It sounds good to me. I feel like, you know, we should definitely,

[Speaker 5] (2:12:11 - 2:12:12)
I mean, I think what you put here,

[Speaker 5] (2:12:12 - 2:12:29)
your comments here going and what you guys put here in terms of, you know, the reasons that have to be, that need to be documented and, you know, there needs to be a written argument made for why it's essential that.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:29 - 2:12:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:31 - 2:12:36)
You know, that they can't possibly keep a commercial space on the bottom of the building.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:37 - 2:12:40)
So based off of this,

[Speaker 1] (2:12:40 - 2:12:51)
I will update the language and send an update email to KP Lowe so that we can get most up-to-date language in front of them before we hear back.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:55 - 2:12:58)
Okay, so this is accessory outdoor seating.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:58 - 2:13:03)
Here you can see all of this language is struck because it was only

[Speaker 5] (2:13:03 - 2:13:05)
You have all kinds of, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:13:05 - 2:13:09)
relevant until 2023 and we still have outdoor seating in town.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:09 - 2:13:17)
So we have had community development has had some meetings with the building commissioner and I

[Speaker 1] (2:13:19 - 2:13:25)
looked at a bunch of differing outdoor seating standards throughout Massachusetts and we've put together

[Speaker 1] (2:13:26 - 2:13:41)
Some just general outdoor seating standard requirements for you to take a look at that could replace this outdated section since outdoor seating still exists in town and it's not something that we want to prohibit.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:42 - 2:13:47)
We definitely want to still allow it so making sure that we have some standards in here.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:49 - 2:13:50)
The first

[Speaker 1] (2:13:51 - 2:13:56)
Thing to note is that it would be allowed as an accessory use specifically,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:56 - 2:14:03)
so to the primary use would be a restaurant or a restaurant or coffee shop,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:03 - 2:14:08)
but the primary use needs to be a conforming use.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:08 - 2:14:12)
So it needs to be a lawful restaurant or coffee shop,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:12 - 2:14:14)
or it could have a special permit granted.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:17 - 2:14:23)
to be a lot by right without you know subject to these standards without additional review so

[Speaker 1] (2:14:33 - 2:14:36)
We've also put together a list of general standards.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:37 - 2:14:40)
This includes, you know, adhering to fire code,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:40 - 2:14:48)
adhering to like ABCC and local liquor licensing if it's how do you know where they're going to sell liquor.

[Speaker 2] (2:14:48 - 2:14:53)
Can I ask a quick question back into 211.1?

[Speaker 2] (2:14:54 - 2:14:59)
The outdoor seating shall remain subordinate to the principal restaurant use.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:01 - 2:15:15)
The reason I ask about that is there's, there are restaurant types that, you know, like Pobo's where the outdoor seating.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:16 - 2:15:18)
So it's not like table service.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:19 - 2:15:20)
There is no indoors either.

[Speaker 5] (2:15:20 - 2:15:21)
Yeah, there isn't any.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:21 - 2:15:28)
Yeah. And so I'm wondering if that, the other thing I'm thinking about is in the redevelopment of the Hawthorne site,

[Speaker 2] (2:15:28 - 2:15:36)
there could very easily be sort of a window service kind of restaurant with public outdoor seating.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:36 - 2:15:41)
Is there a major reason for us to have that that

[Speaker 1] (2:15:41 - 2:15:47)
So this is basically, it's accessory outdoor seating to allow it by right.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:47 - 2:15:50)
So if it was something like that eventually,

[Speaker 2] (2:15:50 - 2:15:51)
could be by

[Speaker 1] (2:15:51 - 2:15:51)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:15:51 - 2:15:51)
special permission?

[Speaker 1] (2:15:51 - 2:15:55)
that could be reviewed if it's unique.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:56 - 2:16:09)
Like in that sense, this is just something that wouldn't even need to come to planning board if it's, you know, a conforming restaurant or coffee shop that just through these general standards and parameters can meet all of them,

[Speaker 1] (2:16:09 - 2:16:11)
then they would be allowed outdoor seating without even

[Speaker 5] (2:16:11 - 2:16:11)
If

[Speaker 1] (2:16:11 - 2:16:11)
having to come

[Speaker 5] (2:16:11 - 2:16:11)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:16:11 - 2:16:12)
to

[Speaker 5] (2:16:12 - 2:16:12)
host

[Speaker 1] (2:16:12 - 2:16:12)
get.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:12 - 2:16:21)
some hobo's did have indoor seating before COVID and they they reorganized to allow more window service when COVID hit so they didn't have

[Speaker 5] (2:16:21 - 2:16:22)
have great people inside

[Speaker 2] (2:16:22 - 2:16:22)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:22 - 2:16:24)
and they don't remember the signal

[Speaker 2] (2:16:24 - 2:16:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:24 - 2:16:25)
you know I remember that

[Speaker 2] (2:16:25 - 2:16:25)
But

[Speaker 5] (2:16:25 - 2:16:25)
and

[Speaker 2] (2:16:25 - 2:16:26)
they've never,

[Speaker 5] (2:16:26 - 2:16:26)
then

[Speaker 2] (2:16:26 - 2:16:26)
they

[Speaker 5] (2:16:26 - 2:16:27)
bring it back because

[Speaker 2] (2:16:27 - 2:16:27)
haven't

[Speaker 5] (2:16:27 - 2:16:27)
because

[Speaker 2] (2:16:27 - 2:16:28)
bring it back yet.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:28 - 2:16:31)
of the windows are probably running through them to them and they don't have to do that too

[Speaker 1] (2:16:31 - 2:16:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:16:32 - 2:16:32)
how

[Speaker 1] (2:16:32 - 2:16:34)
we're not prohibiting mainly outdoor seating.

[Speaker 2] (2:16:34 - 2:16:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:35 - 2:16:36)
does

[Speaker 1] (2:16:36 - 2:16:38)
This is just to allow it by right as it is already.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:38 - 2:16:42)
this work like I guess like I can't remember now are we

[Speaker 5] (2:16:43 - 2:16:46)
In between seasons are they taking those barricades away or have

[Speaker 1] (2:16:46 - 2:16:47)
Well,

[Speaker 5] (2:16:47 - 2:16:47)
they taken

[Speaker 1] (2:16:47 - 2:16:47)
so,

[Speaker 5] (2:16:47 - 2:16:49)
them there like snow and stuff is what I'm worried

[Speaker 1] (2:16:49 - 2:16:50)
right.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
about like

[Speaker 1] (2:16:51 - 2:16:53)
So typically they take them away.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:53 - 2:16:56)
That's something that our public works helps with.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:57 - 2:17:01)
But that's something that in these general standards,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:01 - 2:17:04)
They're yeah, like that it's a seasonal thing because

[Speaker 5] (2:17:06 - 2:17:11)
Otherwise, people start to rely on it, and then if we need a personal removal and quite a bit of utility clouds.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:11 - 2:17:12)
it's supposed to say you made

[Speaker 1] (2:17:12 - 2:17:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:12 - 2:17:14)
the number right it's

[Speaker 5] (2:17:14 - 2:17:16)
It does have a...

[Speaker 1] (2:17:18 - 2:17:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:19 - 2:17:21)
I believe we said that I'm trying to look where.

[Speaker 2] (2:17:22 - 2:17:26)
definitely there is really oh it's in three uh if you go to the general standards under information

[Speaker 5] (2:17:26 - 2:17:27)
Okay, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:30 - 2:17:30)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:30 - 2:17:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:30 - 2:17:31)
yep. So this is.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:32 - 2:17:41)
And that's specifically for, I mean, it's for the allowed in the right of way with the barriers in the road,

[Speaker 5] (2:17:41 - 2:17:41)
Right, right.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:41 - 2:17:48)
you know, which would still need to get select board approval to allow for outdoor seating in the right of way.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:48 - 2:17:50)
That's not something that.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:50 - 2:18:05)
You know, we can't approve something that's not on their property without authorization. So select board would need to authorize to allow restaurants to be able to operate outdoor seating in the right of way or on public property.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:14 - 2:18:16)
You know, some of these have to do with safety,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:16 - 2:18:16)
you

[Speaker 5] (2:18:16 - 2:18:17)
Yeah, yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:18:17 - 2:18:21)
know, having barriers between parking lots or ongoing traffic,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:21 - 2:18:22)
things like that.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:24 - 2:18:31)
And one thing that, a few things, so parking insight requirements.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:35 - 2:18:38)
We're proposing that they don't have to require additional parking,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:39 - 2:18:41)
you know, just because they have this accessory outdoor seating,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:41 - 2:18:43)
it wouldn't count towards their parking count.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:45 - 2:18:49)
And then for existing site plan approvals,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:49 - 2:18:51)
this wouldn't need an approval in itself.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:52 - 2:18:54)
It would be an allowed accessory use.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:54 - 2:18:57)
but if a new use was coming in that had outdoor seating,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:57 - 2:18:59)
then it would be reviewed as part of site plan review.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:00 - 2:19:03)
But as long as they meet these standards,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:03 - 2:19:08)
they could potentially be allowed by right as accessory without coming through site plan review.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:09 - 2:19:14)
And the select order we would designate, like we can't obviously can't take away as parking spot,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:15 - 2:19:17)
you know, it has to be things have to be shipped.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:17 - 2:19:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:18 - 2:19:29)
so that would be part of that that discussion if they wanted to operate outdoor seating in the right of way specifically if they just want to do it on their property.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:30 - 2:19:34)
You know, then they would just be allowed to do it by right without having to go through any special.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:34 - 2:19:36)
As long as they aren't, you know, sitting on the sidewalk,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:37 - 2:19:37)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:19:37 - 2:19:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:37 - 2:19:39)
Because they can't interfere with the right of road traffic.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:40 - 2:19:40)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:42 - 2:19:46)
And then I left 2-2,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:46 - 2:19:47)
well,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:47 - 2:19:53)
I added 2-2-11-5 in here for the option potentially in the future to adopt design guidelines.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:53 - 2:19:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:54 - 2:19:56)
A lot of the different.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:57 - 2:20:07)
municipalities that had accessory outdoor seating standards also have design guidelines so it's something

[Speaker 1] (2:20:07 - 2:20:15)
that I don't necessarily think we have time to adopt now but we could take some time and put those together in the future yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:20:15 - 2:20:18)
Make a talk so I meant that we put it in there and then we

[Speaker 1] (2:20:18 - 2:20:19)
exactly

[Speaker 2] (2:20:19 - 2:20:19)
can't hear it.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:19 - 2:20:33)
so just something to think about in the future because you know these are very visible when you're walking down like Humphrey Street and everything like that so if we wanted to have certain standards for design and that's something that in the future

[Speaker 1] (2:20:34 - 2:20:35)
um we could take the time and

[Speaker 2] (2:20:35 - 2:20:35)
I heard,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:35 - 2:20:36)
figure out a solution

[Speaker 2] (2:20:36 - 2:20:51)
and I don't know whether we want to get into this because it kind of falls under signings because we don't have any other circumstances under which we have umbrellas. But what started happening during COVID was

[Speaker 2] (2:20:51 - 2:21:17)
you know that all these people that want to get out there with and have you know little tables and chairs would have you know Budweiser or Sanzano or some some it's usually a liquor you know an advertising umbrellas because they get them for free from their you know their liquor suppliers and now we've got advertising on the umbrella and I've heard complaints from a bunch of people about it

[Speaker 2] (2:21:18 - 2:21:25)
I know at least one select board member has complained about it and said it's just a lot. It's really not allowed.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:27 - 2:21:32)
And it's something that I'm wondering because it's kind of unique to sidewalk seating,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:32 - 2:21:38)
you know, you don't really see it, even when Starbucks has a few umbrellas out or,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:38 - 2:21:44)
you know, Chipotle, it's a little different because that was, but they don't have, it's probably their brand they don't sell their own brand.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:44 - 2:21:45)
I think it's their own

[Speaker 2] (2:21:45 - 2:21:45)
It's

[Speaker 1] (2:21:45 - 2:21:47)
branding that sells alcohol.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:48 - 2:21:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:21:48 - 2:21:49)
it's not very.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:49 - 2:21:51)
it's also a very common thing in Europe.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:52 - 2:22:01)
through but it's not something that you know I don't know I think it you know just the advertising of the liquor you know it's just something whatever I

[Speaker 1] (2:22:01 - 2:22:02)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:22:02 - 2:22:02)
don't

[Speaker 1] (2:22:02 - 2:22:02)
mean, think we,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:02 - 2:22:03)
that it's okay

[Speaker 1] (2:22:03 - 2:22:05)
when we develop design guidelines,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:05 - 2:22:06)
that's something we can put in.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:07 - 2:22:07)
Yeah, definitely.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:09 - 2:22:10)
He traveled bringing

[Speaker 1] (2:22:10 - 2:22:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:10 - 2:22:10)
up concerns

[Speaker 1] (2:22:10 - 2:22:11)
no,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:11 - 2:22:11)
about

[Speaker 1] (2:22:11 - 2:22:11)
and that's exactly

[Speaker 2] (2:22:11 - 2:22:12)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
same

[Speaker 1] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
things

[Speaker 2] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
kind

[Speaker 1] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
that,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:12 - 2:22:12)
of discussion.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:12 - 2:22:13)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:13 - 2:22:13)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:13 - 2:22:17)
And some of them are really ratty looking quite frankly.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:17 - 2:22:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:22:17 - 2:22:18)
So yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:18 - 2:22:20)
those are exactly the things we can regulate with design guidelines.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:20 - 2:22:21)
So that's a good point.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:24 - 2:22:28)
So here is the change for Borough Street PDD.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:28 - 2:22:33)
So basically, currently it says in this PDD, a single two-family,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:33 - 2:22:36)
three-family dwelling is allowed as a right.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:36 - 2:22:36)
That's it.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:37 - 2:22:41)
So this would be allowing for a club, lodge, or fraternal organization,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:41 - 2:22:42)
profit or nonprofit,

[Speaker 1] (2:22:42 - 2:22:44)
because that's how it's worded.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:44 - 2:22:47)
Do we know why they didn't include this to begin with?

[Speaker 2] (2:22:47 - 2:22:48)
Is there any kind of history?

[Speaker 2] (2:22:49 - 2:22:51)
It feels very intentional that it was not included.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:53 - 2:22:57)
You know, I'm not sure. I do think I have, I can read through the warrant.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:59 - 2:23:01)
I have a bunch of old ones on my desk.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:01 - 2:23:01)
This

[Speaker 1] (2:23:01 - 2:23:02)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
think

[Speaker 3] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
like

[Speaker 1] (2:23:02 - 2:23:02)
that's something.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:02 - 2:23:03)
20,

[Speaker 3] (2:23:03 - 2:23:07)
this is when high school opened and the senior center moved out of there.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:07 - 2:23:08)
Maybe that's

[Speaker 1] (2:23:08 - 2:23:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:08 - 2:23:09)
what I'm thinking.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:09 - 2:23:15)
So the uses that have been in there since have all been nonconforming for a really long time.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:15 - 2:23:16)
They all have been nonconforming.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:16 - 2:23:21)
So the idea is to, you know, allow for historic uses,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:22 - 2:23:26)
you know, insert historic uses and then potentially allow for new uses.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:26 - 2:23:28)
So along here,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:28 - 2:23:35)
we could also, if there are any other historically permitted uses that you can think of that we would want to add in here.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:36 - 2:23:43)
Okay, one thing that I thought of because I was, you know, around when we did all the PDVs at this time was that

[Speaker 2] (2:23:44 - 2:23:51)
When we understood it was the plant development district had to have a demonstrated public benefit to the town.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:51 - 2:23:58)
So in this, and you know they always talk about housing and I think that's all the housing is already wrapped in that.

[Speaker 2] (2:23:58 - 2:24:05)
And this was this particular, you know, adjustment here that we're making enables the town.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:05 - 2:24:08)
I mean, this is what lets us build that veteran housing.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:09 - 2:24:23)
Okay, we didn't have a place and a good place to, you know, to offer the veterans as a spot that they could, you know, reorganize and redevelop and we would not have this opportunity.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:23 - 2:24:23)
So,

[Speaker 2] (2:24:23 - 2:24:27)
you know, it may sound roundabout, but it's really not.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:27 - 2:24:34)
It's allowing the town to develop a site, it's proposing an excellent site for the veterans, so it serves them.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:34 - 2:24:47)
there was a very two very critical time purposes and i think that was when we originally set like looked at pdds those were some of the guidelines that we had to uh that we had to adhere by so

[Speaker 1] (2:24:47 - 2:24:53)
So we can put together like a purpose statement and everything about why we're changing this.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:53 - 2:24:57)
But in addition to everything that you said, it's also, you know.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:58 - 2:25:00)
fixing something in the code where we've been allowing these

[Speaker 2] (2:25:00 - 2:25:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:01 - 2:25:01)
walk-in

[Speaker 2] (2:25:01 - 2:25:01)
exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:01 - 2:25:02)
for me it's so it's

[Speaker 1] (2:25:04 - 2:25:04)
You

[Speaker 2] (2:25:04 - 2:25:04)
You're

[Speaker 1] (2:25:04 - 2:25:04)
know, bringing those

[Speaker 2] (2:25:04 - 2:25:04)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:04 - 2:25:11)
into compliance by adding in these uses as well as uses that have historically been allowed to

[Speaker 2] (2:25:11 - 2:25:15)
And you know what used to be, it was what was the American Legion, I think, was getting,

[Speaker 3] (2:25:15 - 2:25:16)
That was the original owner.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:16 - 2:25:18)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:18 - 2:25:24)
The question I would have in that is for terminal organization,

[Speaker 3] (2:25:24 - 2:25:25)
profit or not-for-profit,

[Speaker 3] (2:25:25 - 2:25:26)
plug,

[Speaker 3] (2:25:26 - 2:25:27)
lodge.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:28 - 2:25:28)
um do

[Speaker 1] (2:25:28 - 2:25:29)
So.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:29 - 2:25:53)
we want to be inclusive of the fact that historically it was also a non-profit uh not a non-profit fraternal organization but the art center was non you know recharge was a non-profit and the building for the last few years was multiple like multi-use

[Speaker 3] (2:25:55 - 2:26:03)
There were offices in there. There was a dance class taught in there. It was sort of like, is there a way that that needs to be covered or does this cover it well enough?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:03 - 2:26:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:04 - 2:26:06)
one thing that

[Speaker 1] (2:26:08 - 2:26:14)
we were discussing about maybe asking KP Law about is if we can say,

[Speaker 1] (2:26:14 - 2:26:18)
you know, other historically terminated uses or if we have to list.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:19 - 2:26:20)
each use which like

[Speaker 2] (2:26:20 - 2:26:20)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:26:20 - 2:26:21)
they

[Speaker 3] (2:26:21 - 2:26:21)
would it

[Speaker 1] (2:26:21 - 2:26:21)
have still

[Speaker 3] (2:26:21 - 2:26:21)
seem

[Speaker 1] (2:26:21 - 2:26:21)
each use

[Speaker 3] (2:26:21 - 2:26:22)
as a right?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:25 - 2:26:25)
yes

[Speaker 2] (2:26:25 - 2:26:26)
You could still fix

[Speaker 3] (2:26:26 - 2:26:29)
So it's not holding anything else out.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:29 - 2:26:30)
yeah

[Speaker 4] (2:26:30 - 2:26:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:30 - 2:26:40)
right so um club lodge or fraternal organization profit or not-for-profit is like how the use is listed that's

[Speaker 1] (2:26:41 - 2:27:03)
the full name of use and in the code that's in the table of uses we were looking through it because we did want to include non-profits non-profit is not a separate use in the code like a club profit or not not for profit would be the only place that we have a use that would non-profit would fit under so

[Speaker 3] (2:27:03 - 2:27:03)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:03 - 2:27:03)
this

[Speaker 3] (2:27:03 - 2:27:04)
so cloth.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:04 - 2:27:08)
would be encompassing non-profit because we don't have another definition for it

[Speaker 1] (2:27:09 - 2:27:17)
in our in our zoning bylaws so it would be like club or not for profit it's the only definition

[Speaker 3] (2:27:17 - 2:27:17)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:27:17 - 2:27:17)
that i've yeah

[Speaker 3] (2:27:17 - 2:27:21)
the club could cover a school, it could cover an arts organization,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:22 - 2:27:22)
cover music.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:24 - 2:27:25)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:27 - 2:27:34)
yeah um this is the only one that we have currently that fits unless you want to create a new definition for non-profit

[Speaker 3] (2:27:36 - 2:27:37)
That's okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:40 - 2:27:43)
Thank you all for hanging in there. I know this is an intense presentation.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:45 - 2:27:48)
So the next one is ADUs. We talked about this at the last meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:50 - 2:28:00)
Basically, it would just be adding in this Section D under application requirements for ADUs that basically says...

[Speaker 1] (2:28:01 - 2:28:03)
The requirement for site plan special permit approval,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:04 - 2:28:11)
traditions exceeding 500 square feet shall not apply to a qualifying ADU that complies with the state law.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:12 - 2:28:18)
I know, Joe, you had some comments that maybe we don't even need to mention the square footage potentially.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:20 - 2:28:21)
We could just say.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:23 - 2:28:27)
um qualifying it to use don't require a site plan special permit we might not

[Speaker 3] (2:28:27 - 2:28:28)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:28 - 2:28:28)
need any more I updates

[Speaker 3] (2:28:28 - 2:28:33)
was thinking that in the last line, you should probably take out this section and then

[Speaker 1] (2:28:33 - 2:28:34)
okay yep

[Speaker 3] (2:28:34 - 2:28:40)
just refer straight to the state statutes that something is a right.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:40 - 2:28:41)
You can say that too.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:41 - 2:28:45)
You can say, will that apply to a qualifying EDU?

[Speaker 3] (2:28:47 - 2:28:49)
that complies to as of right now.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:51 - 2:28:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:52 - 2:28:53)
statute.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:54 - 2:28:55)
I'll just take that out.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:56 - 2:29:00)
You take that out to take this section I think that's just

[Speaker 2] (2:29:06 - 2:29:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:06 - 2:29:07)
we'll keep the keep

[Speaker 2] (2:29:07 - 2:29:07)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:07 - 2:29:08)
the statute

[Speaker 2] (2:29:08 - 2:29:08)
revise.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:08 - 2:29:10)
reference just to go because it says this section it

[Speaker 2] (2:29:10 - 2:29:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:10 - 2:29:13)
should say like that complies with MJL

[Speaker 2] (2:29:13 - 2:29:13)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:14 - 2:29:16)
because it doesn't comply with this section just about this section

[Speaker 2] (2:29:16 - 2:29:17)
Okay, good.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:17 - 2:29:27)
So I will make that change and then I will resend that to keep you also to make sure that they are good with that revision.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:28 - 2:29:31)
And here is the building height illustration.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:31 - 2:29:34)
We can clean this up. This is just the drawing for now.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:34 - 2:29:35)
It's good.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:35 - 2:29:37)
I can read the handwriting.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:37 - 2:29:38)
I think Rich did a good job.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:40 - 2:29:43)
We were thinking of redoing the labels with text,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:43 - 2:29:46)
but overall this,

[Speaker 3] (2:29:46 - 2:29:46)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:46 - 2:29:48)
I think it with text would help.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:48 - 2:29:54)
but this is the general figure that we will be proposing to add to the end.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:54 - 2:29:58)
So this is a common conversation that we have with many applicants.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:58 - 2:30:06)
So I think that it will be really helpful to have this in the code that we could bring up.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:06 - 2:30:08)
To show average grade,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:08 - 2:30:11)
to show, you know, one story, two story, half story,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:11 - 2:30:13)
and where you measure building height.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:13 - 2:30:30)
because they used to have multiple dormers you know what i mean like it's another dormer here and then that one's up here you know so i think it's just good to take the main slope and you know clarify but it should be you know it should it's supposed to be the tallest slope so i mean i don't know

[Speaker 2] (2:30:31 - 2:30:41)
Well, one of the things we want to reference this is for residential buildings because commercial buildings don't be measured to the very top of the building.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:41 - 2:30:50)
Yes, so I should, I can rename the figure to say residential slope roof building height or something like that.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:50 - 2:30:51)
And residential covers

[Speaker 1] (2:30:52 - 2:30:54)
Single family and multi

[Speaker 2] (2:30:54 - 2:30:54)
Anything,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:54 - 2:30:56)
yeah, anything that's residential,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:56 - 2:30:56)
right,

[Speaker 3] (2:30:56 - 2:30:59)
Well, commercial is technically three or more.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:59 - 2:31:00)
three or more, so anything that's right,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:01 - 2:31:01)
that's single,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:01 - 2:31:01)
right,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:01 - 2:31:02)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:31:02 - 2:31:02)
right,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:02 - 2:31:07)
we could say slope-proof building height measurement rather than residential.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:08 - 2:31:10)
Yeah, you could say

[Speaker 2] (2:31:11 - 2:31:12)
three units or under,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:12 - 2:31:13)
or no,

[Speaker 2] (2:31:13 - 2:31:15)
three is multifamily, isn't it?

[Speaker 1] (2:31:26 - 2:31:27)
Is there something,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:33 - 2:31:42)
we've had problems in the past with architects that draw or put on shed dormers and

[Speaker 2] (2:31:42 - 2:31:43)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:43 - 2:31:49)
then change the slope by adding a roof forward,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:49 - 2:31:51)
which then moves.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:52 - 2:31:56)
the height of it if it's a shed from the peak and

[Speaker 2] (2:31:56 - 2:31:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:56 - 2:32:04)
then you run the very front of the roof the overhang you run that so it's going halfway through the other floor it drops the midline

[Speaker 1] (2:32:05 - 2:32:12)
and that's why we have the concordia at the height we have it is that

[Speaker 1] (2:32:13 - 2:32:27)
something that we need to address and how do we address it because the way the bylaw is written that's how they got away with that was also not covered it's also

[Speaker 2] (2:32:27 - 2:32:28)
yeah but it's uh

[Speaker 3] (2:32:28 - 2:32:34)
I mean, that's definitely something we could potentially address.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:36 - 2:32:36)
I can.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
Pose

[Speaker 1] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
It's

[Speaker 3] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
a lot

[Speaker 3] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
question.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:39 - 2:32:39)
to prove

[Speaker 3] (2:32:39 - 2:32:42)
I can pose that question to Rich and

[Speaker 2] (2:32:42 - 2:32:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:42 - 2:32:42)
see

[Speaker 2] (2:32:42 - 2:32:42)
and

[Speaker 3] (2:32:42 - 2:32:43)
what he says.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:44 - 2:32:45)
it does have a lot of

[Speaker 3] (2:32:45 - 2:32:51)
And if it's, you know, just like something glaring missing in the code that we can clarify,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:51 - 2:32:53)
we could potentially add that to all the changes.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:55 - 2:32:58)
Or if there's a way we could do a drawing,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:59 - 2:32:59)
because

[Speaker 3] (2:32:59 - 2:33:01)
that's something we could do also.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:01 - 2:33:06)
it really confuses the fact because you can end up having that

[Speaker 1] (2:33:06 - 2:33:07)
Top floor,

[Speaker 1] (2:33:07 - 2:33:11)
if the shed dormer comes all the way to the front and all the

[Speaker 2] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
way to the back,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:11 - 2:33:12)
you

[Speaker 2] (2:33:12 - 2:33:12)
You're right.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:12 - 2:33:18)
can absolutely conceal that with a forward overhang and measure on the overhang, because

[Speaker 2] (2:33:18 - 2:33:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:19 - 2:33:21)
that's what shows on the front elevation.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:21 - 2:33:21)
Gotcha.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:22 - 2:33:28)
So it is a case where do we need to insert wording that

[Speaker 3] (2:33:28 - 2:33:29)
Potentially.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:29 - 2:33:31)
don't include...

[Speaker 1] (2:33:32 - 2:33:44)
overhang so it would be the roof over i don't want to say foundation but over footprint of house or that the measurement has to be done

[Speaker 2] (2:33:45 - 2:33:48)
primary at the front well by

[Speaker 1] (2:33:48 - 2:33:48)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:33:48 - 2:33:56)
us the the highest slope the highest I mean it's the it's the highest slope of any roof or you know that exists

[Speaker 1] (2:33:56 - 2:33:58)
but if you um

[Speaker 1] (2:33:59 - 2:34:17)
You could do a flat roof shed dormer, almost flat roof and run the peak a foot higher than it and then drop the overhang of the front into the second of the middle of the second story and the measurement drops it.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:17 - 2:34:18)
It's a great trick.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:20 - 2:34:24)
You end up not only with a taller building

[Speaker 2] (2:34:24 - 2:34:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:24 - 2:34:26)
you end up with a significant bigger building

[Speaker 2] (2:34:26 - 2:34:26)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:26 - 2:34:26)
this

[Speaker 2] (2:34:26 - 2:34:29)
Let's describe what that, you know, let's, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:34:30 - 2:34:31)
The dominant,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:31 - 2:34:31)
point

[Speaker 2] (2:34:31 - 2:34:31)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:31 - 2:34:40)
like if you have if you have a building that is basically

[Speaker 1] (2:34:46 - 2:34:49)
and you bring a shed dormer out

[Speaker 1] (2:34:50 - 2:35:07)
and you relieve some roof here if this was sloped you really should be measuring between here and here and that's your that's your height of building but if you extend on the face of the building an overhang that comes down

[Speaker 2] (2:35:08 - 2:35:09)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:09 - 2:35:17)
And overhangs, you can take your measurement instead of between here and here and have that center line.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:17 - 2:35:18)
It's the highest

[Speaker 1] (2:35:18 - 2:35:18)
You can

[Speaker 2] (2:35:18 - 2:35:18)
slope

[Speaker 1] (2:35:18 - 2:35:18)
do it.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:18 - 2:35:20)
on the building.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:20 - 2:35:22)
That's the end of the story.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:22 - 2:35:23)
So you could have multiple,

[Speaker 2] (2:35:23 - 2:35:27)
not even because it doesn't have to be the steepest like you've promised.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:27 - 2:35:28)
So this is the highest,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:29 - 2:35:30)
this is the highest.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:30 - 2:35:31)
This is the.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:32 - 2:35:35)
So I think what you have to do is make sure that.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:35 - 2:35:42)
where you're measuring has to be over an enclosed space.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:42 - 2:35:44)
But then what you want to story.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:46 - 2:35:46)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:46 - 2:35:47)
I could just say over and closed.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:48 - 2:35:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:48 - 2:35:49)
I'll do it over.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:49 - 2:35:50)
It's not

[Speaker 2] (2:35:50 - 2:35:50)
the second story.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:50 - 2:35:53)
Yeah, it can't just be

[Speaker 4] (2:35:53 - 2:35:55)
for real.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:58 - 2:36:01)
This is a this is the shed and there's like what like a foot between Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:01 - 2:36:06)
you can do it, you can do it 18 inches, you can do 24 and then this,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:06 - 2:36:08)
You need a bunch more space out of the shed so you're not.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:08 - 2:36:12)
this is your, this is your, you know, your roof,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
whatever it's doing,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:13 - 2:36:16)
but you are allowed to measure this.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:18 - 2:36:19)
because this

[Speaker 4] (2:36:19 - 2:36:19)
time

[Speaker 1] (2:36:19 - 2:36:20)
is

[Speaker 4] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
kept

[Speaker 1] (2:36:20 - 2:36:43)
roof they have you know that's the roof and then this is interrupting it so they ignore it they grab the highest point and the lowest point of the roof and it comes out down here instead of the reality is if you shave that overhang off you'd be measuring between here and here and that a mark is yeah it should be like occupying occupying space yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:36:43 - 2:36:48)
So I think if that's, well, I guess the issue

[Speaker 4] (2:36:48 - 2:36:49)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:49 - 2:36:50)
is that this is talking about,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:50 - 2:36:51)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:51 - 2:37:04)
because what they measure for the concordia, if you go and look at it, these overhangs come down and it's really nicely detailed and you don't, you don't have the sense that that shed dormer on the third floor,

[Speaker 1] (2:37:04 - 2:37:05)
fourth floor, whatever it is,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:05 - 2:37:06)
well above the 35.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:06 - 2:37:08)
is well above it.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:09 - 2:37:26)
um because it's concealed with with a a nicely you know it was well done but when it comes to what is the intent on the building height it really is about keeping the massive building down and how's

[Speaker 3] (2:37:26 - 2:37:30)
Do you am I able to keep your drawing after

[Speaker 3] (2:37:32 - 2:37:55)
I will try my best to summarize everything you said and I will ask the building commissioner his thoughts and then we can figure out if we add another illustration or expand language or how we address that but that was the last thing on here

[Speaker 1] (2:37:55 - 2:37:57)
Thank you, Christina.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:57 - 2:37:59)
I think, oh,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:00 - 2:38:05)
I think we lost our one. We had someone hanging on until the end,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:05 - 2:38:09)
but I think that, nope, we don't have any.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:11 - 2:38:12)
Okay, so this all looks great.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:14 - 2:38:19)
I doubt there's really any time before this spring,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:19 - 2:38:23)
but I'm still freaked out that we can have 80 youth in front of yards.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:24 - 2:38:38)
And I really think we do need to figure out when can we address setbacks being based on the established setbacks of adjacent buildings.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:38 - 2:38:40)
Yeah, normally that's the front

[Speaker 3] (2:38:40 - 2:38:44)
of the house and but it doesn't say anywhere in our code but

[Speaker 2] (2:38:44 - 2:38:44)
But I

[Speaker 3] (2:38:44 - 2:38:44)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (2:38:44 - 2:38:45)
would think

[Speaker 3] (2:38:45 - 2:38:45)
sorry,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:45 - 2:38:45)
it's normally

[Speaker 3] (2:38:45 - 2:38:45)
that again,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:45 - 2:38:55)
it's like the front, you can't have accessory buildings in front of the front line of the primary dwelling.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:55 - 2:38:56)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:57 - 2:38:59)
That's very standard for other codes.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:59 - 2:39:01)
but it's also other

[Speaker 4] (2:39:01 - 2:39:01)
This guy, he

[Speaker 3] (2:39:01 - 2:39:02)
jurisdictions.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:02 - 2:39:03)
has to make his choice,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:03 - 2:39:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:39:03 - 2:39:03)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:39:03 - 2:39:04)
But in other jurisdictions.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:04 - 2:39:05)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (2:39:05 - 2:39:08)
but we don't have anything prohibiting that or else he would never do it.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:08 - 2:39:11)
Yeah, but we couldn't have prohibited that even if he had a vaccine.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:10 - 2:39:12)
back because

[Speaker 5] (2:39:12 - 2:39:12)
Because,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:12 - 2:39:13)
because

[Speaker 5] (2:39:13 - 2:39:15)
because we don't have anything saying, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:15 - 2:39:17)
we don't have anything saying because our our setbacks

[Speaker 5] (2:39:17 - 2:39:18)
it's a point.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:18 - 2:39:21)
are a dimensional setback instead of a contextual setback

[Speaker 5] (2:39:21 - 2:39:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:23 - 2:39:24)
No, that's a good point.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:24 - 2:39:28)
I think it's unusual that we don't have provisions.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:30 - 2:39:30)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:30 - 2:39:35)
requiring that could be accessory buildings to be behind the primary that

[Speaker 5] (2:39:35 - 2:39:36)
That could come up a lot, actually.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:36 - 2:39:39)
Oh, it could come up a lot.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:39 - 2:39:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:39 - 2:39:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:39:40 - 2:39:41)
Yeah, okay

[Speaker 3] (2:39:41 - 2:39:45)
And I mean, there's a lot of if you if you even in the Olmsted district,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:45 - 2:39:46)
if you look at.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:47 - 2:39:52)
The fact that because of the condition there, there were a lot of garages added onto the front houses,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:52 - 2:39:55)
they tended to be down the Yeah, story,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:55 - 2:39:56)
and right.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:56 - 2:39:57)
they work in a certain way,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:57 - 2:40:00)
but we wouldn't be allowing those at this point.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:01 - 2:40:05)
But that's because they're breaking the setbacks,

[Speaker 3] (2:40:05 - 2:40:07)
but we really are setback.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:09 - 2:40:13)
our front setback shouldn't absolutely be contextual the

[Speaker 2] (2:40:13 - 2:40:14)
I agree with you.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:14 - 2:40:16)
Yeah, no, I agree. I agree too.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:16 - 2:40:18)
I've never seen it this way.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:18 - 2:40:19)
So yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:40:19 - 2:40:21)
way that we have it yeah i think it's it's

[Speaker 2] (2:40:21 - 2:40:21)
it's

[Speaker 3] (2:40:21 - 2:40:21)
yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:40:21 - 2:40:25)
standard that an accessory building is behind the primary building,

[Speaker 2] (2:40:25 - 2:40:25)
behind

[Speaker 3] (2:40:25 - 2:40:26)
but

[Speaker 2] (2:40:26 - 2:40:27)
the front line of the primary even building.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:27 - 2:40:31)
even if it wasn't if it wasn't a

[Speaker 3] (2:40:33 - 2:40:34)
au

[Speaker 3] (2:40:35 - 2:40:58)
doing an addition like if all of the streets are 20 feet back I'm not I'm just grabbing a dimension and you build an addition on the front of your house that's interrupting that street frontage the impact is is pretty strong so many jurisdictions talk about the average the setback is the average between the adjacent and if you're at a corner it's based on the street

[Speaker 2] (2:40:58 - 2:41:01)
And you have to show the aerial about where you're on your street.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:01 - 2:41:01)
Where the setbacks are,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:01 - 2:41:02)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:02 - 2:41:03)
you know, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:03 - 2:41:04)
But it's easy.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:05 - 2:41:05)
I mean,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:05 - 2:41:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:05 - 2:41:06)
thank you, Google.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:07 - 2:41:07)
no,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:07 - 2:41:08)
it is.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:08 - 2:41:10)
I know it's an easy thing,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:10 - 2:41:12)
but it is, you know, we do,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:12 - 2:41:13)
I've made this comment before,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:13 - 2:41:19)
but our zoning was the initial implementation was zoning that was written for,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:19 - 2:41:30)
you know, was how to turn farm fields into neighborhoods and it doesn't fit on top of a historic town or a town with any sort of

[Speaker 2] (2:41:30 - 2:41:33)
None of the districts do,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:33 - 2:41:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:34 - 2:41:34)
but

[Speaker 3] (2:41:34 - 2:41:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:34 - 2:41:37)
that we're getting there. We're fixing

[Speaker 3] (2:41:37 - 2:41:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:37 - 2:41:39)
as much as we can right now and

[Speaker 3] (2:41:39 - 2:41:39)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:41:39 - 2:41:39)
continue

[Speaker 3] (2:41:39 - 2:41:40)
but,

[Speaker 2] (2:41:40 - 2:41:40)
to

[Speaker 3] (2:41:40 - 2:41:40)
but

[Speaker 2] (2:41:40 - 2:41:40)
do it.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:40 - 2:41:41)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:41 - 2:41:45)
I mean, I'd love to sit down and talk with you. I don't know if there's something that could be put together,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:45 - 2:41:47)
but I don't, I mean,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:47 - 2:41:49)
that really disturbed me.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:50 - 2:41:53)
I am sort of thrown that none of the neighbors showed up.

[Speaker 2] (2:41:54 - 2:41:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:54 - 2:41:59)
Especially because that neighborhood exploded when they that that home by a previous owner put

[Speaker 2] (2:41:59 - 2:41:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:59 - 2:42:01)
a shed in their front yard

[Speaker 2] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:01 - 2:42:02)
and

[Speaker 2] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
it was

[Speaker 2] (2:42:02 - 2:42:03)
surprised there was no,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:03 - 2:42:03)
Yeah

[Speaker 2] (2:42:03 - 2:42:06)
you know, that barricade of offense,

[Speaker 2] (2:42:06 - 2:42:07)
which I will.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:09 - 2:42:15)
look into it um there's a lot going on um but i will do my best to get some language

[Speaker 5] (2:42:15 - 2:42:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:15 - 2:42:16)
next time um

[Speaker 3] (2:42:16 - 2:42:20)
And if you want to bounce it, just call me.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:20 - 2:42:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:23 - 2:42:25)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:27 - 2:42:29)
If this is the, you have to close this.

[Speaker 2] (2:42:29 - 2:42:32)
yeah i think just like a motion for the

[Speaker 3] (2:42:32 - 2:42:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:34 - 2:42:36)
Okay, motion second goes to the public hearing,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:36 - 2:42:36)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:36 - 2:42:47)
second all those in favor I all right to adjourn yeah so good all right second all those in favor