[Speaker 1] (1:25 - 1:26)
Would you say that the more was?

[Speaker 2] (1:26 - 1:32)
One hundred, seven twenty, that's a lot of it's like one thousand one hundred twenty nine and uh that's in terms of quantity.

[Speaker 3] (1:32 - 1:33)
It's a Katie on? Other issues.

[Speaker 1] (1:34 - 1:34)
Mm?

[Speaker 2] (1:35 - 1:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:35 - 1:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:35 - 1:36)
Here comes Ted.

[Speaker 3] (1:37 - 1:39)
He was texting Ted.

[Speaker 1] (1:39 - 1:40)
He's right here.

[Speaker 3] (1:40 - 1:40)
Oh there he is.

[Speaker 1] (1:46 - 1:47)
Shannon, can you unmute Katie?

[Speaker 2] (1:48 - 1:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:52 - 1:52)
Take that.

[Speaker 3] (1:52 - 1:53)
Hello.

[Speaker 1] (1:53 - 1:53)
How are you?

[Speaker 3] (1:54 - 1:55)
Just a little wet.

[Speaker 3] (1:57 - 1:57)
How are you?

[Speaker 3] (2:00 - 2:00)
Starting to dry.

[Speaker 3] (2:02 - 2:03)
Sorry, just texted you.

[Speaker 1] (2:03 - 2:08)
Katie, you can you can unmute yourself if you want to start.

[Speaker 4] (2:10 - 2:11)
Thank you Danielle, can you guys hear me?

[Speaker 1] (2:11 - 2:12)
Whoa, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:12 - 2:13)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:13 - 2:13)
Definitely can.

[Speaker 3] (2:13 - 2:14)
Definitely hear you.

[Speaker 4] (2:15 - 2:16)
Do you want me to be softer?

[Speaker 1] (2:17 - 2:18)
Uh too soft.

[Speaker 2] (2:18 - 2:19)
You

[Speaker 3] (2:19 - 2:19)
She's fine.

[Speaker 3] (2:19 - 2:20)
Can we just fix the mic?

[Speaker 3] (2:20 - 2:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:21 - 2:22)
Yes, cool.

[Speaker 4] (2:23 - 2:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:28 - 2:33)
All right. Do we have thumbs up from... All right. Very good.

[Speaker 4] (2:33 - 2:35)
So we will begin Tuesday,

[Speaker 4] (2:36 - 2:47)
July 21st 2026 Select Board meeting to call to order please note the meeting is being audio and video recorded if we could rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Speaker 1] (2:51 - 2:52)
I pledge allegiance to

[Speaker 4] (2:52 - 2:59)
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

[Speaker 3] (3:00 - 3:00)
One

[Speaker 4] (3:00 - 3:00)
One

[Speaker 3] (3:00 - 3:00)
nation

[Speaker 4] (3:00 - 3:02)
nation under God,

[Speaker 3] (3:02 - 3:02)
under

[Speaker 4] (3:02 - 3:03)
indivisible,

[Speaker 3] (3:03 - 3:03)
God,

[Speaker 4] (3:03 - 3:03)
with

[Speaker 3] (3:03 - 3:06)
with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 4] (3:10 - 3:14)
Okay, we will begin this evening with the town administrator's report.

[Speaker 3] (3:15 - 3:17)
Thank you. Good evening, everyone.

[Speaker 3] (3:17 - 3:21)
I want to begin with a thank you that we missed at the last meeting, which is a sincere thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:22 - 3:28)
To everyone who put time and energy into the Frederick Douglass reading that we had at the beginning of July,

[Speaker 3] (3:28 - 3:44)
I know we had a lot of thank yous at the last meeting and this was one that I missed and I want to make sure everyone realizes how important that was in terms of the full array of events that we had and a lot of folks put a lot of effort into it and we're also very flexible with the heat. We moved over here to the...

[Speaker 3] (3:44 - 3:45)
to the high school,

[Speaker 3] (3:45 - 3:51)
and we were able to also include and welcome Attorney General Andrea Campbell,

[Speaker 3] (3:51 - 3:54)
so it was a really good event, and I wanted to make sure that that was recognized.

[Speaker 3] (3:56 - 3:58)
A little bit about the rest of the report for tonight.

[Speaker 3] (3:58 - 3:59)
First,

[Speaker 3] (3:59 - 4:01)
I want to speak about the transitional audit, which I mentioned at the last meeting.

[Speaker 3] (4:02 - 4:03)
To be clear,

[Speaker 3] (4:03 - 4:05)
we have the final draft report right now.

[Speaker 3] (4:05 - 4:07)
I may have misspoken at that point.

[Speaker 3] (4:07 - 4:10)
We are working with CLA right now to complete and finalize it.

[Speaker 3] (4:10 - 4:15)
Patrick and I anticipate being back in August with the final report.

[Speaker 3] (4:15 - 4:16)
When complete,

[Speaker 3] (4:16 - 4:18)
we will do a high-level presentation here,

[Speaker 3] (4:18 - 4:20)
but also send out, after posting online,

[Speaker 3] (4:20 - 4:22)
send the link to all of the town meeting members,

[Speaker 3] (4:23 - 4:27)
finance committee and other electeds as well, so everyone will have access to that very soon.

[Speaker 3] (4:28 - 4:29)
Second,

[Speaker 3] (4:29 - 4:37)
tonight we had talked about angles tariffs at the last meeting, and I want to just highlight that here tonight. We had anticipated an opportunity to vote on that.

[Speaker 3] (4:38 - 4:40)
And we will not be voting on that tonight. We did not notice that.

[Speaker 3] (4:41 - 4:43)
And part of why we did not is in looking at it.

[Speaker 3] (4:44 - 5:10)
Gino and I actually both were out there measured the roadway the distance across at its most generous point is about 17 feet the minimum if we were building from scratch for right of way would be 20 when you start to put a vehicle on one side or the other or both it gets significantly more constricted so what we plan to do is to have our assistant engineer Gino myself and both chiefs speak on Monday not just about angles but more broadly

[Speaker 3] (5:09 - 5:10)
probably,

[Speaker 3] (5:10 - 5:14)
about potential similar situations and issues that we may be facing.

[Speaker 3] (5:14 - 5:15)
In addition,

[Speaker 3] (5:15 - 5:16)
I would anticipate,

[Speaker 3] (5:16 - 5:17)
and this is just something I want to share,

[Speaker 3] (5:17 - 5:34)
that we will also recommend a path forward to address any future requests for things like speed bumps or changes to parking so that we're looking at it with professional staff and coming to you all with a recommendation that includes that feedback in advance so that you have that with you from the first conversation you have.

[Speaker 3] (5:34 - 5:39)
And then I assume as with any change, there would probably be two meetings that you all would have for anything like that as well.

[Speaker 3] (5:39 - 5:47)
So the process that we will come forward with will include a recommendation for how we'd like to move forward subject to your feedback and input obviously.

[Speaker 3] (5:49 - 5:59)
I appreciate everyone understanding of both those matters. So, you know, we really do think that we'll come back with recommendations that are well thought out and very well prepared for you all to deliberate on.

[Speaker 3] (6:00 - 6:04)
I also wanted to highlight traffic around the elementary school,

[Speaker 3] (6:04 - 6:06)
which is an issue that we heard about more during the school year,

[Speaker 3] (6:06 - 6:09)
but it's something that we had promised a number of residents,

[Speaker 3] (6:09 - 6:12)
and I know elected officials that we would begin looking at as the school year ended.

[Speaker 3] (6:13 - 6:18)
The first meeting that was convened for that included officers Wilson and Rean,

[Speaker 3] (6:18 - 6:20)
Principal Sanborn and Max,

[Speaker 3] (6:21 - 6:26)
talking about brainstorming, you know, potential improvements for this fall and identifying ways to mitigate some of the issues.

[Speaker 3] (6:26 - 6:30)
The issues that have been most significant that have developed over the first couple of years operating at the school.

[Speaker 3] (6:31 - 6:41)
We plan to invite them to one of your meetings in August to not only let you all know where we stand but also to talk more broadly with the community about what we anticipate doing for the school year ahead.

[Speaker 3] (6:42 - 6:45)
I know we're going to be speaking a little bit more later tonight about trash and recycling,

[Speaker 3] (6:46 - 6:52)
but as we move forward with the new recycling barrel deployment,

[Speaker 3] (6:52 - 6:56)
which will begin next week on the 27th and the automation which begins the following week,

[Speaker 3] (6:56 - 7:02)
August 3rd, I do want to call out the Solid Waste Advisory Committee for all the help that they provided to town staff on messaging,

[Speaker 3] (7:02 - 7:08)
thinking creatively about ways to reach out and also making sure that we don't have blind spots that we're missing.

[Speaker 3] (7:08 - 7:08)
missing.

[Speaker 3] (7:08 - 7:14)
We're happy to get any info and feedback from folks here or at any time giving us a call or online.

[Speaker 3] (7:15 - 7:18)
But I really wanted to call out their help with outreach and planning around the transition.

[Speaker 3] (7:19 - 7:21)
So with the World Cup coming to a close,

[Speaker 3] (7:21 - 7:26)
I wanted to recognize Charlotte and Christina specifically for the work that they did to bring the games to the community.

[Speaker 3] (7:27 - 7:30)
This was something of an audible that just came up this spring,

[Speaker 3] (7:30 - 7:31)
like is this something we can do,

[Speaker 3] (7:32 - 7:33)
how do we do it, what do we have to think about?

[Speaker 3] (7:33 - 7:45)
And I think it turned out to be a really great success with the work they did both at Town Hall but with vendors and then for a handful of the games actually working closely with police when we anticipated larger crowds for the U.S. games and as we got...

[Speaker 3] (7:45 - 7:46)
We got deeper into the tournament.

[Speaker 3] (7:46 - 7:49)
It was a really unique thing that not a lot of communities did around here,

[Speaker 3] (7:49 - 7:51)
certainly of our size. I don't know of any communities that did it.

[Speaker 3] (7:52 - 7:53)
So I wanted to thank them for that.

[Speaker 3] (7:53 - 8:00)
I also wanted to recognize the momentum that they have going right now. The summer movie and summer concerts have been launched.

[Speaker 3] (8:01 - 8:04)
This past weekend was the event in partnership with Bentwater.

[Speaker 3] (8:04 - 8:12)
So there's a lot happening and the whole team is bringing a lot of energy and creativity to their roles and I really appreciate it and I know the community does as well.

[Speaker 3] (8:13 - 8:15)
On the personnel or HR side, I wanted to give a couple updates.

[Speaker 3] (8:16 - 8:21)
Olivia Cahill has begun the police academy as she takes the next step towards serving our community.

[Speaker 3] (8:21 - 8:30)
We have a number of folks here that are also serving the community that the chief will be speaking to tonight and then at the DPW we also welcomed Mike Faya and Rob.

[Speaker 3] (8:30 - 8:36)
And Robert Fiore as MAOs, so we're excited to have all of them joining the team and I wanted to highlight that.

[Speaker 3] (8:36 - 8:38)
Um, before I close,

[Speaker 3] (8:38 - 8:39)
I want to note one additional,

[Speaker 3] (8:40 - 8:44)
one other change to tonight's agenda. We had planned to recognize several recent retirements this evening.

[Speaker 3] (8:44 - 8:45)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (8:45 - 8:49)
in order to make sure that we could do this as well as possible and in working with, um,

[Speaker 3] (8:49 - 8:51)
the folks that we plan to recognize,

[Speaker 3] (8:51 - 9:01)
we're going to move that to August 4th. That will give everyone enough time to make sure that they can get friends, family, and colleagues to join us. Uh, so that is something that we are looking forward to.

[Speaker 3] (9:02 - 9:03)
as well.

[Speaker 3] (9:03 - 9:06)
Finally, I want to highlight a really exciting community partnership.

[Speaker 3] (9:06 - 9:15)
Big Blue Bargains has actually pledged to match fundraising efforts intended to defray a portion of the work at Upper Jackson on the track.

[Speaker 3] (9:15 - 9:18)
And so we will be rolling that out on social media.

[Speaker 3] (9:18 - 9:24)
Ideally, the way it will work is that they will match donations to the town. At Town Hall,

[Speaker 3] (9:24 - 9:29)
we're able to accept them at customer service. And beginning of next week, hopefully, looking at...

[Speaker 3] (9:29 - 9:29)
Looking at Patrick,

[Speaker 3] (9:29 - 9:39)
we'll be able to process them online as well. It's just something we have to work with our vendor to sort of turn on that option because this is not something like a bill that's attached to an account number and an address.

[Speaker 3] (9:39 - 9:41)
We just want to make sure it's something folks can do if they're interested.

[Speaker 3] (9:42 - 9:48)
So we're looking forward to that and we're really excited that Big Blue Bargains has put forward this match.

[Speaker 3] (9:48 - 9:54)
And as I said, you'll see on social media and online that effort moving forward probably starting in the morning.

[Speaker 3] (9:55 - 9:59)
Um and it's really something exciting to look forward to and it's a new idea and and we hope to be really

[Speaker 1] (10:00 - 10:03)
And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions you all may have.

[Speaker 2] (10:05 - 10:09)
I just want to also bring attention to the great event at the Senior Center yesterday,

[Speaker 2] (10:09 - 10:12)
as with the ice cream social,

[Speaker 2] (10:12 - 10:22)
Nick and Gino and two members of Republic came out to answer questions and show the barrels to the folks at the Senior Center.

[Speaker 1] (10:22 - 10:24)
Shannon was there as well, helping.

[Speaker 2] (10:24 - 10:25)
Yeah, Sharon, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 2] (10:25 - 10:26)
you were, and we talked,

[Speaker 2] (10:27 - 10:27)
yeah, she was there.

[Speaker 2] (10:29 - 10:31)
So I just want to thank you for that. I think it was successful.

[Speaker 1] (10:31 - 10:39)
Yeah, and we saw that as an opportunity to speak to folks that were there for a social event and not necessarily paying as close attention to the trash transition as others may be.

[Speaker 1] (10:39 - 10:48)
So it was a great chance to let them actually move around the barrels and the folks from Republic actually put weights at the bottom of each of the barrels to give a sense of what it feels like really moving it.

[Speaker 1] (10:48 - 10:52)
So it was a really good event and talking to Sabrina we'll probably be back,

[Speaker 1] (10:52 - 10:55)
not just for that in advance of the changeover but also together.

[Speaker 1] (10:55 - 10:59)
gather feedback as we move forward in the next couple of months to see what else we might be able to do.

[Speaker 2] (10:59 - 10:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (11:00 - 11:02)
Did people feel like, oh, I can handle this?

[Speaker 1] (11:02 - 11:07)
I think some were surprised at how well they could handle it, and others were surprised that it is a large barrel.

[Speaker 3] (11:07 - 11:08)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (11:08 - 11:14)
And even though sixty five next to ninety five to sixty five is large when you compare it to what folks are using for their trash right now,

[Speaker 3] (11:14 - 11:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (11:14 - 11:27)
uh I think it was really useful. The weight at the bottom of it was good because it's not just moving around an empty rigid plastic barrel. Um and you know they said sort of the average user is about ten to twelve pounds, and it was a ten

[Speaker 1] (11:26 - 11:30)
and it was a ten pound weight. So uh it was it was a good opportunity.

[Speaker 3] (11:35 - 11:36)
I have a I have a question.

[Speaker 4] (11:36 - 11:36)
Sir,

[Speaker 3] (11:36 - 11:37)
Oh go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (11:37 - 11:37)
go ahead, Mary.

[Speaker 3] (11:38 - 11:45)
Um I so I have a question that I we didn't hear about it last week and I just want to know can you just give us an idea of what happened with that meat truck

[Speaker 3] (11:46 - 11:48)
that was in Vin and Square a couple weeks ago?

[Speaker 1] (11:49 - 11:51)
So it was on private property.

[Speaker 1] (11:52 - 12:04)
It had filled out with the I believe with the health department thank you for that, uh the necessary paperwork and it is something that we will work to avoid happening in the future.

[Speaker 3] (12:05 - 12:06)
Okay so we are gonna look to avoid

[Speaker 1] (12:06 - 12:06)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (12:06 - 12:07)
it.

[Speaker 3] (12:07 - 12:07)
That's good.

[Speaker 1] (12:07 - 12:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (12:08 - 12:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (12:08 - 12:18)
Absolutely. And it it was a matter of first impression for many folks at town hall and that was why I think we spent a lot of time over the weekend trying to figure out the right solution and they were shutting down

[Speaker 1] (12:18 - 12:24)
Monday night, so it's something that going forward we have a better game plan, but it was a it was a matter of first impression for many of us.

[Speaker 3] (12:24 - 12:25)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 2] (12:26 - 12:27)
Great.

[Speaker 5] (12:28 - 12:31)
Anything else from the board?

[Speaker 3] (12:31 - 12:39)
I had a question about Hawthorne, but I don't think you mentioned it in terms of their anticipated opening date or what's happening there.

[Speaker 1] (12:39 - 12:43)
So the liquor license was approved this week. Um

[Speaker 1] (12:44 - 12:49)
They I believe they need to have their fire suppression inspected in order to get their final occupancy.

[Speaker 1] (12:50 - 12:57)
Marcy and Rich both met with them to go through their floor plan to make sure that sort of they're checking off all the boxes that are necessary.

[Speaker 1] (12:57 - 13:02)
The one significant one that remains is having the fire suppression inspected.

[Speaker 1] (13:03 - 13:07)
When Hawthorne by the Sea was operating there, it's an annual inspection.

[Speaker 1] (13:07 - 13:10)
At the end of their final year, they did not do any of the annual inspection.

[Speaker 1] (13:10 - 13:18)
inspection, so it's been at this point sort of eighteen months since the last inspection. We don't anticipate there'll be a problem, but it is something they need to complete before we can give a C_O_

[Speaker 3] (13:18 - 13:23)
Okay. And just remind me again, when did they take possession? Was it May?

[Speaker 1] (13:23 - 13:24)
The beginning of May, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (13:24 - 13:28)
Okay. And have we checked to see if we've received their payments yet for

[Speaker 1] (13:28 - 13:30)
I I I have, and

[Speaker 3] (13:30 - 13:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (13:30 - 13:33)
he's coming in tomorrow to get up to date. We are behind right now.

[Speaker 3] (13:34 - 13:35)
So as of right now they haven't

[Speaker 1] (13:35 - 13:35)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (13:35 - 13:36)
paid anything. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (13:37 - 13:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (13:38 - 13:42)
And I've spoken to him, that's how I know tomorrow is when he anticipates bringing it in.

[Speaker 3] (13:42 - 13:44)
Okay, well I'm glad you're on top of it. Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (13:49 - 13:55)
Okay, is that good for everybody? We will move on to public comments.

[Speaker 5] (13:55 - 13:58)
Public comment will be capped at three minutes.

[Speaker 5] (13:58 - 14:04)
I will actually ask Nick to sort of manage since I'm physically not there,

[Speaker 5] (14:04 - 14:10)
if you wouldn't mind keeping time and informing people when their time is up.

[Speaker 3] (14:12 - 14:14)
We have one online Katie

[Speaker 5] (14:14 - 14:15)
Yep, we do have one online.

[Speaker 6] (14:16 - 14:17)
With the

[Speaker 5] (14:17 - 14:17)
They're

[Speaker 6] (14:17 - 14:17)
hospital,

[Speaker 5] (14:17 - 14:17)
not allowed.

[Speaker 6] (14:17 - 14:21)
should you wait, if we're going to talk about the hospital, should you wait to that part of the meeting?

[Speaker 1] (14:21 - 14:31)
now would now would be the appropriate time and then the deliberation will be among the board later on so now is an opportunity to share input and sort of inform their discussion later on in the evening

[Speaker 5] (14:32 - 14:42)
Yeah, I will just clarify the only way that public comment occurs during the actual select board meeting is when there is a public hearing held within the meeting,

[Speaker 5] (14:42 - 14:45)
all other public comments should happen at this time,

[Speaker 5] (14:45 - 14:47)
and there are no public hearings on tonight's agenda,

[Speaker 5] (14:47 - 14:49)
so all public comments should occur now.

[Speaker 3] (14:51 - 14:53)
So we have one in person here at the mic.

[Speaker 1] (14:55 - 14:59)
And I'll just give I'll give you like a 30 second wave so you know when we're getting close to three minutes,

[Speaker 7] (14:59 - 15:02)
I didn't know that last week, so it'll be helpful this time.

[Speaker 7] (15:03 - 15:04)
Paula Claridge,

[Speaker 7] (15:04 - 15:09)
31 Banks Terrace. I'm here as a citizen and as a member of the Open Space and Recreation Plan Committee.

[Speaker 7] (15:10 - 15:21)
And I just wanted to talk a couple of comments about the Hawthorne. I had three points. I watched your deliberations from July 7th. And a couple of things I wanted to point out was just I thought it would be a really great idea if

[Speaker 7] (15:21 - 15:36)
If Selectboard members could make visits to neighboring communities and see the parks that they have there and the open space they have there along the waterfront and how they're being used lately with the hot weather that we've been having and the tall ships coming into Boston,

[Speaker 7] (15:36 - 15:41)
it's been really fun to see how these park areas have been used by the community.

[Speaker 7] (15:41 - 15:45)
Even on the hot days, people sit out there just to get the breeze coming off the water,

[Speaker 7] (15:45 - 15:47)
sitting in the shade under trees and stuff.

[Speaker 7] (15:47 - 15:53)
I would highly recommend before you put parameters in the RFP for how, you know, it should be developed,

[Speaker 7] (15:53 - 15:55)
maybe go experience these places.

[Speaker 7] (15:55 - 16:00)
Some places I noted was just Newburyport. Their park along the waterfront is great.

[Speaker 7] (16:00 - 16:01)
The Willows at Salem.

[Speaker 7] (16:01 - 16:05)
And then for the tall ships, I was out at Pierce Park in East Boston,

[Speaker 7] (16:05 - 16:08)
and that was fantastic to see the community come out and use that.

[Speaker 7] (16:09 - 16:12)
The other thing I wanted to bring up was just the access to the coastline there.

[Speaker 7] (16:12 - 16:13)
there.

[Speaker 7] (16:13 - 16:18)
And I know there's going to be a bigger discussion about whether the building remains or gets demolished.

[Speaker 7] (16:19 - 16:22)
I agree with the Hawthorne Committee's recommendation that the building come down.

[Speaker 7] (16:22 - 16:26)
I know that I'm an architect. I know that renovating a building,

[Speaker 7] (16:26 - 16:30)
especially if it's going to change use to bring it up to code, particularly the energy code,

[Speaker 7] (16:30 - 16:31)
is going to be very expensive.

[Speaker 7] (16:32 - 16:44)
If a developer can do it, I guess that's up to them. But the building does pose an obstacle to views from Humphrey Street as well as the coastal access that's required by the warrant for a purchase of the property.

[Speaker 7] (16:44 - 16:48)
And then lastly was the idea of having residential there.

[Speaker 7] (16:48 - 16:51)
And I just wanted to point out that when residents,

[Speaker 7] (16:51 - 16:56)
even if they don't own the park but they feel some ownership of the park,

[Speaker 7] (16:56 - 16:58)
there could be sticky situations and weird negotiations.

[Speaker 7] (16:58 - 17:00)
associations happening right now.

[Speaker 7] (17:00 - 17:16)
There's a condition at Iseman's Beach that was brought to the open space committee's attention where there's a porta potty right in the center of the historic concrete bench there because all of the residents around the park couldn't agree on where to locate it and that was the one spot that

[Speaker 7] (17:17 - 17:19)
was agreeable to everybody and it looks ridiculous.

[Speaker 7] (17:19 - 17:26)
So residences thinking they have some part of ownership over a neighboring part can be awkward.

[Speaker 7] (17:26 - 17:28)
So those are the points I wanted to make.

[Speaker 7] (17:28 - 17:28)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (17:28 - 17:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (17:41 - 17:45)
Good evening. James Andrews, 133 Stetson Avenue.

[Speaker 8] (17:47 - 17:50)
I'm here today to voice opinion about the Hawthorne property.

[Speaker 8] (17:51 - 17:54)
When I look at the math behind the project,

[Speaker 8] (17:54 - 17:57)
we spent seven million dollars to buy the property.

[Speaker 8] (17:57 - 18:04)
We're committed to another seven or eight million dollars in interest payments over the course of owning the property.

[Speaker 8] (18:05 - 18:15)
So we're looking at 15 million dollars, sixteen million dollars there without doing anything to the property. When this property was purchased we were told that the town could afford it.

[Speaker 8] (18:15 - 18:31)
If that's the case, why did my property taxes go up way beyond inflation the year before last, about 10%; way beyond inflation this year, another 10%, and are likely to go up another 10% next year?

[Speaker 8] (18:31 - 18:40)
It's pretty clear the town couldn't afford to buy this property at the time and quite frankly, it's pretty clear that

[Speaker 8] (18:42 - 18:48)
The $30,000 in interest we're paying a month needs to be offset by some revenue from the property.

[Speaker 8] (18:48 - 19:01)
I encourage the board to commit to a combination of public access to the waterfront and also revenue-generating businesses that complement what we do on Humphrey Street to offset the cost of this project.

[Speaker 8] (19:01 - 19:02)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2] (19:09 - 19:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (19:20 - 19:22)
Okay, I just wanted to get this.

[Speaker 2] (19:22 - 19:22)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (19:23 - 19:23)
Hi,

[Speaker 2] (19:24 - 19:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (19:27 - 19:28)
Hi,

[Speaker 6] (19:28 - 19:29)
my name is Rick Rostov.

[Speaker 6] (19:30 - 19:32)
I live at 406 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 6] (19:33 - 19:35)
And I, as a resident,

[Speaker 6] (19:35 - 19:37)
have an interest in the Hawthorne reuse.

[Speaker 6] (19:39 - 19:43)
I know there's been discussed about having it as open space,

[Speaker 6] (19:43 - 19:49)
which I think is the biggest waste of area and time that could be put there.

[Speaker 6] (19:50 - 19:51)
We have beaches,

[Speaker 6] (19:51 - 19:52)
we have parks,

[Speaker 6] (19:52 - 19:54)
we have tons of area.

[Speaker 1] (19:56 - 20:09)
and I think this is the opportunity for the town to make this something vibrant and that can really start anchoring that part of Humphrey Street to be a nicer area.

[Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:13)
For example,

[Speaker 1] (20:13 - 20:16)
I don't know how many of you have been down to Newport, Rhode Island recently.

[Speaker 1] (20:17 - 20:22)
But this picture is a hotel right on the main drag.

[Speaker 1] (20:24 - 20:27)
It's a restaurant and shops on the first floor.

[Speaker 1] (20:27 - 20:31)
It has two floors of hotel rooms above it.

[Speaker 1] (20:32 - 20:36)
I think this would be the perfect fit for that space.

[Speaker 1] (20:36 - 20:47)
As a matter of fact, I think if we're going to do it, it should probably have three or four floors above it of either hotel rooms or condos. And then you keep your restaurant on the first floor,

[Speaker 1] (20:47 - 20:49)
you have some nice retail,

[Speaker 1] (20:49 - 20:53)
and now you have an anchor for that whole part of Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (20:53 - 20:55)
But like I said before,

[Speaker 1] (20:55 - 20:57)
We have tons of parks,

[Speaker 1] (20:57 - 20:57)
beaches,

[Speaker 1] (20:57 - 20:58)
towns,

[Speaker 1] (20:58 - 21:00)
other towns and cities would kill to have that.

[Speaker 1] (21:01 - 21:05)
Why leave this open space and just augment what we already have?

[Speaker 1] (21:06 - 21:09)
So that's what I would say in terms of the Hawthorne.

[Speaker 1] (21:09 - 21:14)
And then I saw that parking enforcement is also on the schedule tonight,

[Speaker 1] (21:15 - 21:20)
and I guess I feel a little outnumbered, but one thing I will say.

[Speaker 1] (21:20 - 21:30)
The parking enforcement at both the Swamp Scott Mall and the Panera Bread Plaza is definitely lacking.

[Speaker 1] (21:31 - 21:41)
I brought this up about a year ago to one of the police officers and they said, well, we can't do anything because it's not a fire zone and all we can do is tell people to move along.

[Speaker 1] (21:42 - 21:49)
Well, about six months ago they painted it and put lines in front of where Panera Bread is that now say fire zone.

[Speaker 1] (21:50 - 21:55)
And yet it's mainly Uber Eats people and things like that who park there.

[Speaker 1] (21:55 - 22:00)
They can't take the extra 30 seconds to pull into space and they block the road.

[Speaker 1] (22:00 - 22:04)
There's a lot of elderly people trying to get the Panera Bread and they can't get in.

[Speaker 1] (22:05 - 22:10)
And I've seen some officers just walking by or driving by when there's like four cars there.

[Speaker 1] (22:11 - 22:17)
Okay, and I think that they should really take a tougher stance and start ticketing some of these people.

[Speaker 1] (22:18 - 22:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (22:23 - 22:25)
Do we have anybody else in person for public comment?

[Speaker 2] (22:28 - 22:29)
No one else, Katie,

[Speaker 2] (22:29 - 22:29)
in person.

[Speaker 3] (22:30 - 22:33)
Okay, we can un-allow Diane to unmute,

[Speaker 3] (22:33 - 22:33)
please.

[Speaker 2] (22:46 - 22:47)
You can unmute yourself, Diane.

[Speaker 4] (23:00 - 23:01)
It's not letting us do it.

[Speaker 2] (23:02 - 23:02)
I think

[Speaker 3] (23:02 - 23:02)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (23:02 - 23:03)
it just

[Speaker 3] (23:03 - 23:03)
is that it?

[Speaker 2] (23:03 - 23:04)
is. Yep.

[Speaker 3] (23:04 - 23:04)
Yes, go

[Speaker 2] (23:04 - 23:05)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (23:05 - 23:05)
ahead.

[Speaker 2] (23:05 - 23:06)
in. Okay. Hi there.

[Speaker 2] (23:07 - 23:09)
I'm Diane O'Brien, 19 Essex Ave.

[Speaker 3] (23:11 - 23:15)
But I'm here tonight as the executive board from the Anchor Food Pantry.

[Speaker 3] (23:16 - 23:18)
I just wanted,

[Speaker 3] (23:18 - 23:19)
we as a board,

[Speaker 3] (23:19 - 23:24)
would like to thank you very much for approving our lease for another year.

[Speaker 3] (23:24 - 23:35)
We also would especially like to thank you all for allowing us to use the Recharge building during the SNAP benefits crisis that we experienced in November.

[Speaker 3] (23:36 - 23:42)
We just wanted to let you know that on an average we serve 120 families a week.

[Speaker 3] (23:42 - 23:51)
That includes 20 to 25 deliveries to some of our senior citizens and our folks that can't get to the pantry.

[Speaker 3] (23:52 - 24:00)
We've been going since six years since COVID and in that time we've served over 750 families.

[Speaker 3] (24:00 - 24:08)
But that does not include the 200 plus deliveries that we make of full turkey meals that we deliver at Thanksgiving.

[Speaker 3] (24:09 - 24:17)
We are incredibly proud of what we do, and we are more than happy to continue to serve the community.

[Speaker 3] (24:17 - 24:23)
We are also very grateful to the Swanscott community for continuing to support us.

[Speaker 5] (24:23 - 24:30)
There was an issue brought up last week that there was some constituents that maybe felt that our hours of operation were limited.

[Speaker 5] (24:31 - 24:40)
We seem to feel that with our very small board and our very small volunteer base and in the six years we have managed to hone.

[Speaker 5] (24:42 - 25:02)
the process and so that we are able to service the people that come in and out of our pantry fairly quickly and we do offer delivery so we feel at this time it's not necessary to extend our hours however we ever felt that we were overwhelmed we would certainly consider that but to that point

[Speaker 5] (25:03 - 25:25)
I did want to mention that if you are in contact with a constituent or a family here in Scottsdale that for some reason cannot get to us on a Monday and Wednesday please reach out to our board I know you have all our contact information some of you also have some of my personal you have my cell phone and you have some of our board members cell phone

[Speaker 5] (25:26 - 25:34)
Please reach out to us and we will make accommodations for any resident of Swansea or Nahon that requires to get into the pantry.

[Speaker 5] (25:35 - 25:40)
We have done it before. I can tell you that both I and

[Speaker 5] (25:40 - 25:40)
And Laura,

[Speaker 5] (25:40 - 25:44)
Savannah's and Susan Kretz are part of our board.

[Speaker 5] (25:44 - 25:46)
We have been called by the police department,

[Speaker 5] (25:46 - 26:05)
senior center and the school department where we have opened the pantry on a Friday night at eight o'clock because a family was in crisis identified by a police department. And we have, so we are, we will acquiesce and bend over backwards to accommodate any resident of Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 5] (26:05 - 26:17)
So we just wanted to let you know that, that our hours of operation still continue to be Monday from 11 to 1 and on Wednesdays from I believe 5 to 7.

[Speaker 5] (26:18 - 26:23)
And we do offer deliveries on Mondays. So again,

[Speaker 5] (26:23 - 26:25)
thank you so much for approving our lease.

[Speaker 5] (26:26 - 26:26)
Again,

[Speaker 5] (26:26 - 26:29)
we are proud and very happy to serve this community.

[Speaker 5] (26:30 - 26:33)
We'll continue to do so with all your support.

[Speaker 5] (26:33 - 26:44)
And just to let you know that there's no Swanscott family, we would certainly accommodate whichever Swanscott family that was in crisis, we will certainly do whatever we need to do.

[Speaker 5] (26:45 - 26:46)
Thanks. Thanks

[Speaker 1] (26:46 - 26:46)
All

[Speaker 5] (26:46 - 26:46)
for your time.

[Speaker 1] (26:46 - 26:46)
right.

[Speaker 2] (26:47 - 26:47)
Thanks,

[Speaker 3] (26:47 - 26:48)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (26:48 - 26:48)
Diana.

[Speaker 3] (26:48 - 26:48)
you, Diane.

[Speaker 3] (26:52 - 26:55)
I actually have a public comment that was emailed to me.

[Speaker 3] (26:55 - 26:58)
This is from Mike Kelleher,

[Speaker 3] (26:58 - 26:59)
Precinct 4.

[Speaker 3] (27:00 - 27:00)
Good evening.

[Speaker 3] (27:01 - 27:04)
The Hawthorne property is one of the most valuable public assets our town owns.

[Speaker 3] (27:04 - 27:10)
Opportunities like this come along once in a generation and we owe it to our residents to think as boldly as possible about its future.

[Speaker 3] (27:11 - 27:13)
I don't believe this part of town needs more open space.

[Speaker 3] (27:13 - 27:19)
We already have an expansive public open space directly across from Humphrey Street and along the shoreline.

[Speaker 3] (27:19 - 27:26)
What we are missing is a vibrant waterfront destination that draws people to Swampstock, supports our local businesses and generates meaningful revenue for taxpayers.

[Speaker 3] (27:27 - 27:30)
This property should become the crown jewel of our commercial district.

[Speaker 3] (27:30 - 27:33)
Imagine an active year-round destination with indoor outdoor gathering spaces,

[Speaker 3] (27:33 - 27:34)
waterfront dining,

[Speaker 3] (27:34 - 27:35)
community events,

[Speaker 3] (27:35 - 27:35)
entertainment,

[Speaker 3] (27:36 - 27:39)
and public access that people from across greater Boston choose to visit.

[Speaker 3] (27:40 - 27:44)
Every visitor who comes to Hawthorne will also walk Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 3] (27:44 - 27:45)
shop in its stores,

[Speaker 3] (27:45 - 27:46)
dine in its restaurants,

[Speaker 3] (27:46 - 27:47)
and contribute to our local economy.

[Speaker 3] (27:48 - 27:51)
The purpose of an RFP is to encourage vision and competition.

[Speaker 3] (27:51 - 27:53)
We should be inviting the most creative and ambitious ideas.

[Speaker 3] (27:53 - 27:57)
ideas possible, not narrowing the possibilities before we've even seen what the market can produce.

[Speaker 3] (27:58 - 28:04)
Quite frankly, the last thing this location needs is another passive open space concept or quote micro forest, end quote.

[Speaker 3] (28:05 - 28:10)
While that idea may have value somewhere else, this is arguably the premier commercial waterfront site in Swampscott.

[Speaker 3] (28:10 - 28:15)
It deserves a use that matches its potential and provides a lasting return to taxpayers who own it.

[Speaker 3] (28:15 - 28:17)
Let's aim higher than preserving the status quo.

[Speaker 3] (28:17 - 28:19)
Let's seek a proposal that creates jobs,

[Speaker 3] (28:19 - 28:20)
strengthens our tax base,

[Speaker 3] (28:20 - 28:22)
supports our existing businesses,

[Speaker 3] (28:22 - 28:23)
activates our waterfront year-round,

[Speaker 3] (28:24 - 28:26)
and becomes a destination that makes Swampscott proud.

[Speaker 3] (28:26 - 28:30)
This is our chance to create something truly extraordinary. Let's not settle for it.

[Speaker 3] (28:29 - 28:31)
Medal for Ordinary, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (28:37 - 28:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (28:39 - 28:47)
So this will end public comment and we will move on to agenda item one which is now abbreviated.

[Speaker 3] (28:48 - 28:52)
I believe just to the police department section,

[Speaker 3] (28:52 - 28:52)
correct?

[Speaker 6] (28:52 - 28:53)
That's correct.

[Speaker 6] (28:53 - 28:57)
And if we could turn it over to the chief to speak a little bit about each of the individuals,

[Speaker 6] (28:57 - 29:01)
the individuals are here with family members. So I think it's a great opportunity.

[Speaker 3] (29:01 - 29:02)
Wonderful.

[Speaker 3] (29:02 - 29:03)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (29:12 - 29:16)
Good evening. I'm going to have everybody stand up with me since we do everything as a team.

[Speaker 7] (29:17 - 29:19)
I'll call on Lieutenant Brendan Reen,

[Speaker 7] (29:19 - 29:21)
Lieutenant Steve Luck,

[Speaker 7] (29:22 - 29:24)
Officer Steve Coughlin,

[Speaker 7] (29:24 - 29:25)
Officer Nate Espinal,

[Speaker 7] (29:25 - 29:29)
Officer Samantha Holley, and Officer Kevin Coughlin.

[Speaker 7] (29:30 - 29:36)
Once you stand up here with everyone, I want to ensure that everybody sees them,

[Speaker 7] (29:36 - 29:38)
I won't have to make, I won't make them speak tonight.

[Speaker 8] (29:47 - 29:48)
Just say just one.

[Speaker 8] (29:48 - 29:48)
I

[Speaker 7] (29:48 - 29:48)
have to.

[Speaker 3] (29:50 - 30:06)
Before I begin, I just wanted to say thank you to the select board for allowing us to not only fill these positions and our town administration for not only allowing us to fill these positions but to pick the absolute best people possible to serve in our community.

[Speaker 3] (30:06 - 30:10)
So for that, I just want to recognize the select board and thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (30:12 - 30:13)
So tonight,

[Speaker 3] (30:13 - 30:18)
we want to celebrate another significant milestone for our department and our town,

[Speaker 3] (30:18 - 30:24)
the swearing in of our newest officers and the recognition of our two newly promoted lieutenants.

[Speaker 3] (30:25 - 30:29)
Today is not merely ceremonial, but it's a broader commitment to the safety,

[Speaker 3] (30:29 - 30:31)
well-being, and future of Swampscott.

[Speaker 3] (30:32 - 30:34)
Tonight, I'd like to celebrate the following personnel.

[Speaker 3] (30:35 - 30:36)
We're here.

[Speaker 3] (30:36 - 30:38)
And perhaps when I call on them,

[Speaker 3] (30:38 - 30:41)
have their loved ones stand up as well.

[Speaker 3] (30:41 - 30:43)
So first off,

[Speaker 3] (30:43 - 30:44)
I would like to recognize,

[Speaker 3] (30:45 - 30:47)
I'll have you stand with me,

[Speaker 3] (30:47 - 30:48)
Lieutenant,

[Speaker 4] (30:48 - 30:48)
There you go.

[Speaker 3] (30:48 - 30:50)
I'm putting them on the spot.

[Speaker 3] (30:50 - 30:53)
They put me on the spot every day. I get to put them on the spot today.

[Speaker 3] (30:53 - 30:57)
Lieutenant Reen, who has been newly promoted to lieutenant.

[Speaker 3] (30:58 - 31:01)
Brendan Reen is a 20-year veteran of the police department.

[Speaker 3] (31:01 - 31:06)
He has a master's degree from UMass Lowell, and he's a recipient of over 49 accommodations,

[Speaker 3] (31:06 - 31:08)
one including a life-saving award.

[Speaker 3] (31:08 - 31:11)
He's a police academy instructor,

[Speaker 3] (31:11 - 31:12)
field training officer,

[Speaker 3] (31:12 - 31:13)
public information officer,

[Speaker 3] (31:14 - 31:15)
assistant harbormaster,

[Speaker 3] (31:15 - 31:17)
and all-around great guy.

[Speaker 3] (31:18 - 31:20)
Tonight, we celebrate his promotion.

[Speaker 3] (31:21 - 31:23)
And before we celebrate him,

[Speaker 3] (31:23 - 31:31)
I want to celebrate I want Sandy and the kids to stand up where I want to thank them as well.

[Speaker 3] (31:31 - 31:32)
So congratulations,

[Speaker 3] (31:32 - 31:33)
Brendan.

[Speaker 3] (31:40 - 31:41)
Lieutenant Steve Luck.

[Speaker 3] (31:43 - 31:47)
Lieutenant Luck is a 24-year veteran of the police department.

[Speaker 3] (31:47 - 31:53)
Steve has a bachelor's degree from Bridgewater State University and has over 56 accommodations in his career.

[Speaker 3] (31:53 - 31:55)
He is our go-to,

[Speaker 3] (31:55 - 32:01)
my go-to special events coordinator in incident commander during special events.

[Speaker 3] (32:01 - 32:04)
He's our field training program coordinator,

[Speaker 3] (32:04 - 32:06)
mental health task force committee member,

[Speaker 3] (32:06 - 32:08)
and all-around steady,

[Speaker 3] (32:08 - 32:09)
reliable,

[Speaker 3] (32:09 - 32:12)
and most trusted and respected individual in our department.

[Speaker 3] (32:13 - 32:15)
We thank, I'll have Sarah,

[Speaker 3] (32:16 - 32:17)
if she's here,

[Speaker 3] (32:17 - 32:17)
stand

[Speaker 5] (32:17 - 32:18)
Oh

[Speaker 3] (32:18 - 32:23)
up because you're making a big commitment as well.

[Speaker 3] (32:24 - 32:29)
Tonight we celebrate his promotion and we know that he'll do great things for our department.

[Speaker 3] (32:29 - 32:30)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (32:38 - 32:39)
I think before I begin,

[Speaker 3] (32:39 - 32:45)
I'm going to have Officer Steve Coughlin's family stand up so everybody knows Steve's family.

[Speaker 3] (32:48 - 32:57)
So Steve is our first ever out-of-state lateral police officer from the Houston Police Department.

[Speaker 3] (32:58 - 33:00)
Steve originally grew up in Maldon,

[Speaker 3] (33:00 - 33:03)
and he graduated with a bachelor's degree from Salem State University.

[Speaker 3] (33:04 - 33:07)
He will complete his field training program this week,

[Speaker 3] (33:07 - 33:09)
and we couldn't be more excited to have him.

[Speaker 3] (33:09 - 33:12)
So thank you to Steve's family,

[Speaker 3] (33:12 - 33:13)
and congratulations,

[Speaker 3] (33:13 - 33:14)
Steve.

[Speaker 3] (33:21 - 33:22)
Come on up.

[Speaker 3] (33:23 - 33:25)
Officer Nate Espinal and his family,

[Speaker 3] (33:28 - 33:29)
thank you.

[Speaker 3] (33:31 - 33:32)
Nate is originally from Lynn.

[Speaker 3] (33:32 - 33:39)
He previously worked in a family automotive business and volunteers much of his time with his religious congregation.

[Speaker 3] (33:39 - 33:44)
He recently graduated from the Police Academy and is currently in our field training program.

[Speaker 3] (33:45 - 33:51)
I want to thank you for allowing us to have Nate with us and he will be getting married in August.

[Speaker 3] (33:51 - 33:56)
So that's more difficult than the Police Academy.

[Speaker 3] (34:03 - 34:06)
Officer Samantha Holley, is

[Speaker 3] (34:07 - 34:08)
any of your family here?

[Speaker 3] (34:09 - 34:10)
Oh, you're already standing.

[Speaker 3] (34:11 - 34:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (34:13 - 34:15)
Samantha is originally from Lynn.

[Speaker 3] (34:15 - 34:20)
She has a bachelor's degree from Salem State University and a master's degree in Homeland Security from Endicott.

[Speaker 3] (34:21 - 34:26)
She has a proud family history of police officers in her family and is following in their footsteps.

[Speaker 3] (34:27 - 34:32)
We know that she will bring much value to our police department and we're so glad to have her.

[Speaker 3] (34:40 - 34:41)
Last but not least,

[Speaker 3] (34:41 - 34:46)
Officer Kevin Kaufman and I'll have Kevin's parents stand up.

[Speaker 3] (34:48 - 34:56)
Kevin Kaufman graduated from the academy in mid-April. He graduated originally from Anna Marie College with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice,

[Speaker 3] (34:56 - 34:58)
and prior to coming to Swamp Scott,

[Speaker 3] (34:58 - 35:01)
he worked for the Department of Homeland Security with the TSA.

[Speaker 3] (35:02 - 35:07)
He graduated from the field training program and is out and about patrolling our streets now.

[Speaker 3] (35:08 - 35:11)
So I didn't know if Kevin would be here tonight,

[Speaker 3] (35:11 - 35:13)
and I said if you see a young kid,

[Speaker 3] (35:13 - 35:16)
good-looking, dapper young man in uniform with a great smile,

[Speaker 3] (35:16 - 35:17)
you know that's him.

[Speaker 3] (35:17 - 35:18)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (35:25 - 35:27)
So this is for all our police officers.

[Speaker 3] (35:28 - 35:35)
Whether you are newly entering this profession or taking on even greater responsibilities in the department requires immense courage,

[Speaker 3] (35:35 - 35:36)
resilience,

[Speaker 3] (35:36 - 35:38)
and a profound sense of duty.

[Speaker 3] (35:39 - 35:47)
The badge and the patch we wear is a symbol entrusted upon us to stand as guardians and protectors with an unwavering amount of integrity,

[Speaker 3] (35:47 - 35:48)
character,

[Speaker 3] (35:49 - 35:50)
and commitment,

[Speaker 3] (35:50 - 35:53)
not only to this badge, but most importantly to our community.

[Speaker 3] (35:54 - 35:54)
Remember,

[Speaker 3] (35:54 - 36:01)
a community can only thrive when it feels safe and only when it deeply trusts those who are sworn to protect it.

[Speaker 3] (36:01 - 36:03)
To our newly installed officers,

[Speaker 3] (36:03 - 36:05)
remember every day you wear this uniform.

[Speaker 3] (36:06 - 36:08)
Know that you carry the hopes, the respect,

[Speaker 3] (36:08 - 36:11)
and the full backing of our entire town.

[Speaker 3] (36:11 - 36:13)
We ask that you be fair,

[Speaker 3] (36:13 - 36:14)
compassionate,

[Speaker 3] (36:15 - 36:18)
and have a heart filled with the desire to serve.

[Speaker 3] (36:19 - 36:20)
all your daily interactions.

[Speaker 3] (36:21 - 36:24)
To the family of those loved ones here today,

[Speaker 3] (36:24 - 36:26)
thank you for sharing them with us.

[Speaker 3] (36:26 - 36:35)
We recognize the quiet sacrifices you have made and will make in the years to come and we are deeply grateful for your support.

[Speaker 3] (36:36 - 36:38)
Welcome and congratulations to all of you.

[Speaker 6] (36:57 - 36:59)
We're gonna have a go. Yeah. That's an easy yes.

[Speaker 3] (37:04 - 37:05)
Thank you very much for strengths.

[Speaker 7] (37:05 - 37:05)
Well, it's a pleasure to meet you.

[Speaker 6] (37:05 - 37:06)
Thanks a lot.

[Speaker 3] (37:06 - 37:07)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 6] (37:07 - 37:07)
Take a picture.

[Speaker 6] (37:07 - 37:08)
You gotta have a picture.

[Speaker 3] (37:10 - 37:10)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 8] (37:11 - 37:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (37:11 - 37:12)
You be in the right way.

[Speaker 7] (37:12 - 37:12)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 6] (37:13 - 37:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (37:13 - 37:13)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 9] (37:13 - 37:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (37:14 - 37:15)
I think we're gonna try to line up for a picture here.

[Speaker 9] (37:15 - 37:15)
Dr.

[Speaker 6] (37:15 - 37:15)
I don't see.

[Speaker 9] (37:15 - 37:16)
Fraser.

[Speaker 6] (37:16 - 37:17)
I don't know how these work.

[Speaker 6] (37:17 - 37:18)
I don't know how these work. I hope it works.

[Speaker 6] (37:18 - 37:18)
I'll put it on.

[Speaker 9] (37:18 - 37:19)
Oh, very good.

[Speaker 6] (37:19 - 37:20)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 10] (37:20 - 37:21)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 6] (37:21 - 37:21)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 10] (37:21 - 37:21)
Much.

[Speaker 6] (37:21 - 37:22)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 6] (37:22 - 37:22)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 10] (37:22 - 37:23)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (37:23 - 37:23)
And thanks for having me.

[Speaker 10] (37:23 - 37:24)
Gentlemen, thanks for having me.

[Speaker 9] (37:24 - 37:25)
Oh.

[Speaker 10] (37:25 - 37:25)
Thank you very much man.

[Speaker 10] (37:26 - 37:26)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (37:26 - 37:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (37:26 - 37:26)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 6] (37:26 - 37:27)
Congratulations.

[Speaker 10] (37:27 - 37:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (37:27 - 37:28)
For a man. Congratulations.

[Speaker 10] (37:29 - 37:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (37:29 - 37:31)
It should be in the first one.

[Speaker 9] (37:31 - 37:33)
It's a typical mistake. You might be able to go in the second

[Speaker 6] (37:33 - 37:33)
I don't

[Speaker 9] (37:33 - 37:33)
row.

[Speaker 6] (37:33 - 37:33)
know.

[Speaker 9] (37:34 - 37:34)
Have everybody

[Speaker 11] (37:34 - 37:35)
But not you.

[Speaker 9] (37:35 - 37:35)
in the right

[Speaker 6] (37:35 - 37:35)
I don't

[Speaker 9] (37:35 - 37:35)
row.

[Speaker 6] (37:35 - 37:36)
know if we use that.

[Speaker 6] (37:38 - 37:38)
You just skip here

[Speaker 9] (37:38 - 37:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (37:38 - 37:40)
and there and not be in the same place.

[Speaker 9] (37:40 - 37:41)
Come on.

[Speaker 12] (37:44 - 37:47)
I want all the tables to be in the right place. The only one who's not going to be in

[Speaker 6] (37:47 - 37:48)
That's front table.

[Speaker 12] (37:48 - 37:50)
the particular room is sitting right over me.

[Speaker 13] (37:50 - 37:50)
That's okay.

[Speaker 12] (37:50 - 37:51)
This will be a stretch.

[Speaker 6] (37:51 - 37:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (37:51 - 37:52)
So

[Speaker 6] (37:52 - 37:53)
Steve, come on.

[Speaker 9] (37:53 - 37:53)
Okay, okay, okay.

[Speaker 6] (37:53 - 37:54)
I don't know if we have front table.

[Speaker 12] (37:54 - 37:54)
Come on, Steve.

[Speaker 6] (37:54 - 37:57)
Take a knee, take a knee. I feel like I'm a little taller than you now.

[Speaker 9] (37:57 - 37:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 12] (37:57 - 37:58)
Yeah, definitely taller.

[Speaker 9] (37:58 - 37:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (37:59 - 37:59)
Yuck.

[Speaker 12] (37:59 - 38:00)
Everybody over the air.

[Speaker 14] (38:27 - 38:30)
Thank you, Chief, for those very kind words,

[Speaker 14] (38:30 - 38:35)
and thank you to all the new hires and newly appointed title holders.

[Speaker 14] (38:35 - 38:50)
I certainly appreciate every time the police force comes, I always thank the families because it's such a sacrifice that they're gifting to us to instill these officers to help us every day, and I'm glad that they got to join us for that. So thank you very much, Chief.

[Speaker 14] (38:52 - 38:53)
Time Administrator for making that happen.

[Speaker 12] (38:55 - 38:56)
Bye-bye. Nice to see you.

[Speaker 6] (38:58 - 39:00)
You're just giving them a moment to file out.

[Speaker 14] (39:01 - 39:02)
Thanks Nick.

[Speaker 12] (39:05 - 39:07)
S Nate is getting married in 11 days?

[Speaker 6] (39:08 - 39:09)
That's great. I'm glad we did that.

[Speaker 6] (39:09 - 39:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (39:10 - 39:10)
11 days.

[Speaker 6] (39:36 - 39:38)
Sam Holy played basketball for Classical.

[Speaker 9] (39:39 - 39:39)
Oh really?

[Speaker 6] (39:39 - 39:41)
Yeah, she's a pretty great basketball player.

[Speaker 9] (39:41 - 39:42)
Hmm.

[Speaker 15] (39:42 - 39:42)
Forward?

[Speaker 6] (39:42 - 39:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (39:42 - 39:44)
No, I have a feeling.

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:46)
Yep. Lethal.

[Speaker 1] (39:46 - 39:47)
Really good.

[Speaker 4] (39:53 - 39:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (39:55 - 39:56)
I think we're ready or we need another minute?

[Speaker 3] (39:57 - 39:57)
We're ready.

[Speaker 4] (39:58 - 39:58)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (39:58 - 39:59)
wonderful.

[Speaker 4] (39:59 - 40:06)
We will now move on to the appointment of registrar Michael Bryson will be appointed.

[Speaker 4] (40:06 - 40:20)
For those of you who don't know, we lost our current registrar, Paul DiBoli, passed away, and I think I speak on behalf of the entire board when we're sending thoughts and prayers to his daughter,

[Speaker 4] (40:20 - 40:20)
Amber,

[Speaker 4] (40:21 - 40:22)
and his wife.

[Speaker 4] (40:23 - 40:32)
They live on Redington and they're longtime friends of my family and sending our warmest regards to get through this tough time.

[Speaker 4] (40:32 - 40:38)
But we are here for the appointment of his prior position to Michael Bryson temporarily.

[Speaker 2] (40:40 - 40:42)
And would you like Katie to speak a little bit or

[Speaker 4] (40:42 - 40:43)
I would

[Speaker 2] (40:43 - 40:43)
time

[Speaker 4] (40:43 - 40:43)
love

[Speaker 2] (40:43 - 40:43)
for

[Speaker 4] (40:43 - 40:43)
that.

[Speaker 2] (40:43 - 40:43)
perfect.

[Speaker 4] (40:43 - 40:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (40:44 - 40:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (41:00 - 41:08)
We take the position with little time to certify current nomination papers and petitions. That's why it needs to be done in a timely manner.

[Speaker 5] (41:09 - 41:15)
So we're requesting the temporary appointment while I continue to diligently work to find replacements.

[Speaker 5] (41:16 - 41:17)
I'm here to answer any questions.

[Speaker 1] (41:19 - 41:22)
What is the process for replacing,

[Speaker 1] (41:22 - 41:24)
planning a full-time replacement?

[Speaker 5] (41:25 - 41:31)
So it starts out with sending certified letters to the chairs of the Republican and Democratic committees,

[Speaker 5] (41:31 - 41:35)
which was done in the spring to fill a vacancy that has been on the board.

[Speaker 5] (41:35 - 41:40)
And we got back a name of somebody that is in an elected position currently for the town.

[Speaker 5] (41:40 - 41:44)
I did speak with that person and they do not want to vacate their elected position.

[Speaker 5] (41:45 - 41:46)
So it was back to the drawing board.

[Speaker 5] (41:47 - 41:48)
So now I have been.

[Speaker 5] (41:48 - 41:53)
In contact with the chairs of the committees to see if they have anybody else.

[Speaker 5] (41:53 - 41:58)
I've also been talking to some people in town looking for volunteers that would be willing to do it.

[Speaker 5] (41:59 - 42:05)
It's a little tough when a lot of the people that want to do the election stuff are currently poll workers.

[Speaker 5] (42:05 - 42:10)
So I don't want to necessarily take away that option for them being a poll worker.

[Speaker 5] (42:10 - 42:12)
So there are some people that I'm going to approach and say,

[Speaker 5] (42:12 - 42:13)
hey.

[Speaker 5] (42:13 - 42:19)
This opportunity is available if you are willing and interested slash available.

[Speaker 5] (42:19 - 42:26)
Otherwise, it can't be anybody that is elected in the town or appointed by the select board.

[Speaker 1] (42:27 - 42:29)
Is it advertised on the website,

[Speaker 1] (42:29 - 42:30)
on our social media,

[Speaker 1] (42:30 - 42:31)
like how do people know?

[Speaker 1] (42:32 - 42:37)
Maybe there's somebody out there like that might be interested is that are we advertising it?

[Speaker 6] (42:37 - 42:43)
We have not advertised because it is something that is traditionally in pretty much every community works through the two organized committees

[Speaker 1] (42:44 - 42:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (42:44 - 42:49)
uh in order to identify someone for these roles, but it's certainly something we could add for sure.

[Speaker 5] (42:49 - 42:50)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (42:51 - 42:53)
What is the mechanics in our own bylaws?

[Speaker 7] (42:53 - 42:56)
Is it to be assigned by the select board?

[Speaker 1] (42:57 - 42:57)
No.

[Speaker 5] (42:57 - 43:00)
It's all governed in the mass general laws.

[Speaker 7] (43:01 - 43:07)
Okay, so when you need to fill a vacant spot temporarily,

[Speaker 7] (43:07 - 43:12)
you're saying we are authorized by state law to do that? Okay,

[Speaker 7] (43:12 - 43:12)
that's

[Speaker 5] (43:12 - 43:12)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (43:12 - 43:13)
what I understand.

[Speaker 7] (43:13 - 43:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (43:13 - 43:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (43:14 - 43:18)
And as select board members, you do appoint registrars permanently as well.

[Speaker 5] (43:19 - 43:22)
It's just this one is going to be a temporary appointment.

[Speaker 6] (43:23 - 43:27)
When is the expiration date of the term?

[Speaker 5] (43:28 - 43:34)
It is four weeks, or if we get somebody else to fill it prior to the four weeks.

[Speaker 7] (43:37 - 43:39)
No, I meant like is there a three-year term normally?

[Speaker 7] (43:39 - 43:40)
Is it a right?

[Speaker 5] (43:40 - 43:41)
Yes,

[Speaker 5] (43:41 - 43:42)
three-year terms.

[Speaker 4] (43:45 - 43:49)
But to clarify the appointment that we are appointing Mr.

[Speaker 4] (43:49 - 43:54)
Bryson for is a four-week appointment or shorter if we find another candidate,

[Speaker 4] (43:54 - 43:55)
correct?

[Speaker 5] (43:55 - 43:56)
That is correct,

[Speaker 5] (43:56 - 43:56)
yes.

[Speaker 4] (44:00 - 44:01)
So if,

[Speaker 4] (44:01 - 44:02)
go ahead.

[Speaker 2] (44:03 - 44:04)
I was Are going to

[Speaker 4] (44:04 - 44:04)
there any questions?

[Speaker 2] (44:04 - 44:06)
no I was going to be happy to make a motion

[Speaker 1] (44:06 - 44:07)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (44:07 - 44:07)
Great,

[Speaker 4] (44:08 - 44:21)
so well here's the motion, I'll read it out loud 'cause it has to be specific. So the motion would be to appoint Michael Bryson to the position of temporary registrar for a period of no more than four weeks in accordance with the provisions of Mass General Law Chapter fifty one, section twenty,

[Speaker 4] (44:21 - 44:28)
and further that the select board find the services of Mr Bryson in the position of temporary registrar shall be deemed to be within the scope of his duties

[Speaker 4] (44:28 - 44:29)
the duties as town clerk,

[Speaker 4] (44:30 - 44:41)
as there exists an immediate and critical need for a person to serve in the capacity of temporary registrar due to the pending statutory matters requiring action by a quorum of the board of registrars and where Mr.

[Speaker 4] (44:41 - 44:44)
Bryson is familiar with the operations of the town's clerk's office,

[Speaker 4] (44:44 - 44:48)
the role of the board of registrars and the process for the certification of voter signature.

[Speaker 4] (44:49 - 44:50)
As such,

[Speaker 4] (44:51 - 44:59)
If board finds he is uniquely qualified to carry out these duties and shall serve the town in both capacities for the period specified,

[Speaker 4] (45:00 - 45:14)
and further to acknowledge that the town clerk has and will continue to diligently seek to identify a person for appointment for the permanent position and bring such permanent appointees forward when she is available and if such person is sworn into office prior to the expiration of four weeks,

[Speaker 4] (45:14 - 45:16)
Mr. Bryson will temporarily... Mr.

[Speaker 4] (45:16 - 45:17)
Bryson.

[Speaker 4] (45:17 - 45:19)
temporary appointment will terminate.

[Speaker 7] (45:19 - 45:20)
I, yeah,

[Speaker 7] (45:20 - 45:21)
so moved what you said.

[Speaker 6] (45:21 - 45:21)
Removed.

[Speaker 1] (45:21 - 45:22)
The second.

[Speaker 4] (45:23 - 45:27)
And we must do a roll call vote since I am online so Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 1] (45:27 - 45:28)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (45:28 - 45:29)
Danielle?

[Speaker 1] (45:29 - 45:29)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (45:30 - 45:30)
Ted?

[Speaker 7] (45:30 - 45:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (45:31 - 45:32)
Wayne?

[Speaker 6] (45:32 - 45:32)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (45:32 - 45:33)
And I am an aye.

[Speaker 4] (45:34 - 45:35)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (45:35 - 45:36)
Thank you,

[Speaker 7] (45:36 - 45:36)
Thank you, Katie.

[Speaker 5] (45:37 - 45:38)
Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[Speaker 1] (45:39 - 45:40)
Thank you for coming.

[Speaker 4] (45:40 - 45:41)
Anytime.

[Speaker 4] (45:42 - 45:48)
We will move on to item number three discussion and possible vote on water and sewer rates for fiscal year 27

[Speaker 6] (45:50 - 45:52)
So I have a few slides that I'm going to share.

[Speaker 6] (45:52 - 45:54)
Patrick's here to walk through them.

[Speaker 6] (45:54 - 46:04)
It is largely the same presentation that we gave last week with a couple of slides that were requested in terms of different scenarios that we could follow.

[Speaker 6] (46:04 - 46:06)
And we're happy to answer any questions as we go.

[Speaker 6] (46:20 - 46:21)
How far forward do you want me to go?

[Speaker 8] (46:21 - 46:26)
I think if we go to slide six, it's where the new material begins.

[Speaker 8] (46:31 - 46:38)
So came before the board at your last meeting and provided an update on

[Speaker 8] (46:39 - 46:52)
the FY26 preliminary operating results in both the water and sewer fund and I brought you some information regarding a rate recommendation which was a four percent increase in sewer rates and a three percent increase in water rates.

[Speaker 8] (46:54 - 47:00)
Got some feedback and I've added some supplemental slides we can go through tonight to help inform your decision.

[Speaker 8] (47:01 - 47:03)
On the screen here we have

[Speaker 8] (47:03 - 47:12)
FY26 unaudited results for both funds. This is a little more granular than what was provided last time we met.

[Speaker 8] (47:12 - 47:17)
So you can see we had some savings in budget,

[Speaker 8] (47:17 - 47:19)
expenditure budget for both sewer and water fund,

[Speaker 8] (47:20 - 47:22)
2.4% in sewer,

[Speaker 8] (47:22 - 47:23)
5.7% in water.

[Speaker 8] (47:24 - 47:27)
That's driven largely by some personnel savings.

[Speaker 8] (47:28 - 47:43)
people leaving, um and we also had some savings where um debt wasn't fully loaded in um the timing of some some debt issuance was pushed out a little bit. So we didn't we didn't have that total expense.

[Speaker 8] (47:44 - 47:45)
And then um

[Speaker 8] (47:46 - 47:56)
On the revenue side we definitely had favourable results which we discussed at the last meeting that were driven by consumption increases in excess of what we estimated.

[Speaker 8] (47:57 - 48:01)
And on the bottom of the screen there are

[Speaker 8] (48:02 - 48:10)
My estimate of unaudited retained earnings as of June 30th, 2026, those will be certified by the DOR in October typically,

[Speaker 8] (48:10 - 48:12)
but I've provided figures there.

[Speaker 8] (48:12 - 48:15)
29% of budget in the sewer fund,

[Speaker 8] (48:15 - 48:17)
33% of budget in the water fund.

[Speaker 8] (48:17 - 48:25)
The town has a policy that's been in place for a number of years to maintain at least 20% of budget in retained earnings in each fund.

[Speaker 8] (48:26 - 48:27)
Next slide.

[Speaker 8] (48:30 - 48:35)
So this slide is the rate recommendation I brought to you at our last meeting.

[Speaker 8] (48:36 - 48:43)
I've added the relative impact to the average household user on this slide. I think that's helpful just to call it out for everyone who's watching.

[Speaker 8] (48:44 - 48:50)
This would mean on average a 3.4% increase to the average homeowner's water bill for the year.

[Speaker 8] (48:51 - 48:55)
thirteen dollars a quarter or fifty two dollars a year is what that works out to be.

[Speaker 8] (48:57 - 49:14)
And setting funds at uh excuse me, rates at this level will allow us to maintain routine earnings that'll support some of the capital expenditures we know about that we have to take on over the next five years and help us stabilise rate increases going forward so that we don't have large swings.

[Speaker 8] (49:16 - 49:16)
Next slide.

[Speaker 8] (49:19 - 49:25)
This is a table of the specific rates that are in place right now on the left-hand side.

[Speaker 8] (49:25 - 49:27)
Those are our current rates of the board approved last July.

[Speaker 8] (49:28 - 49:34)
And then in the three sections on the right-hand side, there are different increases.

[Speaker 8] (49:35 - 49:39)
The first section is that 3.45% combined increase.

[Speaker 1] (49:41 - 49:44)
and the relative impact is listed below,

[Speaker 1] (49:44 - 49:46)
and then we have a 2% increase that I...

[Speaker 1] (49:48 - 49:54)
calculated for you all to consider in the relative impact or, you know, if we were to leave rates flat, what that would mean.

[Speaker 1] (49:55 - 50:05)
On the top of the slide, I did put the increase that was passed last year and the typical annual bill for water and sewer for a household in Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (50:06 - 50:10)
And all of these will fund the current year's budget.

[Speaker 1] (50:10 - 50:14)
Obviously, if you choose a lesser rate increase,

[Speaker 1] (50:15 - 50:23)
the prospect of retained earnings being higher or level at the end of FY27 reduces.

[Speaker 1] (50:24 - 50:25)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (50:26 - 50:28)
I also prepared just

[Speaker 1] (50:29 - 50:39)
For discussion, I was asked to prepare a scenario if we were to draw down our retained earnings to 15% of budget or 20% of budget. Again,

[Speaker 1] (50:39 - 50:42)
our policy is to maintain a minimum of 20% of budget in each fund.

[Speaker 1] (50:44 - 50:50)
If we were to draw down retained earnings to 15% of budget, that would be a 22% rate decrease.

[Speaker 1] (50:52 - 50:56)
And the relative impact is listed on the bottom of the slide as well. And...

[Speaker 1] (50:57 - 50:57)
uh

[Speaker 1] (50:58 - 51:22)
to reduce retained earnings down to twenty percent that would lead to a fourteen percent rate increase and we'd also have to have town meeting appropriate retained earnings in the amounts highlighted in yellow in December uh for that to balance our budget and leaving those rates at those lower levels we're spending down fund balance we would likely have to have a significant increase next year uh to fund our budget

[Speaker 1] (51:23 - 51:25)
in each fund. Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (51:27 - 51:32)
This slide is a little hard to read. I'm sorry about the size of the data points.

[Speaker 1] (51:33 - 51:46)
This is meant to illustrate the rate increases that would be required in the sewer and water funds over the next five years for just new capital expenditures and general operating increases.

[Speaker 1] (51:47 - 51:52)
So you can see in FY27, 28,

[Speaker 1] (51:52 - 51:52)
29,

[Speaker 1] (51:52 - 51:58)
we need 3%, 2%, 2% just to fund those new capital expenditures.

[Speaker 1] (52:00 - 52:08)
Um general operating increases and then water, we ha you know, we have a small increase in twenty seven. We would need a three percent increase in twenty eight.

[Speaker 1] (52:09 - 52:18)
two and a half and twenty nine and five percent in 2030. These are just estimates based on the capital plan. Obviously things will change between now and then.

[Speaker 1] (52:19 - 52:30)
And then any increases in our Linn water and sewer assessments our MWRA that we purchase our water from would be on top of these figures. So you can see there's a

[Speaker 1] (52:31 - 52:41)
You know, unsteady kind of need and through rate increases now we can stabilise that for for that the households that are paying the rates. Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (52:43 - 52:44)
This slide is

[Speaker 1] (52:45 - 52:55)
Just pulled forward from our slide deck last year actually when we were talking about passing a large rate increase and what the next 10 years might look like for rate increases going forward.

[Speaker 1] (52:55 - 53:11)
When we had that conversation we had a desire to stabilize rate increases so we passed one big increase which we did last year and we have some modest increases in the next you know three four five years so that we can get to a place where we're leveling off.

[Speaker 1] (53:11 - 53:15)
And we can confidently keep our rate increases at, you know, two,

[Speaker 1] (53:15 - 53:16)
three percent,

[Speaker 1] (53:16 - 53:23)
something that is more in line with expectations for a household bill increase or inflation.

[Speaker 1] (53:23 - 53:27)
And you can see over time the line on the chart,

[Speaker 1] (53:27 - 53:29)
that's an estimate of where retained earnings goes.

[Speaker 1] (53:29 - 53:32)
It goes up and up on the horizon.

[Speaker 1] (53:32 - 53:34)
That's because we have a five-year capital plan,

[Speaker 1] (53:34 - 53:38)
but of course we'll have spending loaded in in years six through eight.

[Speaker 1] (53:38 - 53:43)
is through 10 and beyond that will require us to spend those funds. So it's just a forecast,

[Speaker 1] (53:43 - 53:50)
but I thought it'd be helpful to rehash kind of the larger conversation we had last year when we were looking at such a large increase.

[Speaker 1] (53:50 - 53:58)
And the rates that we're proposing this year are in line with kind of what we were anticipating doing this year and the next couple years.

[Speaker 1] (53:59 - 54:00)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (54:02 - 54:08)
These are data points that I pulled on our MWRA assessments by fiscal year.

[Speaker 1] (54:08 - 54:11)
You can see those fluctuate a little bit over time.

[Speaker 1] (54:12 - 54:13)
They're based on consumption.

[Speaker 1] (54:13 - 54:17)
They run a year in arrears and they run on a calendar year basis for consumption.

[Speaker 1] (54:17 - 54:22)
So it's not it doesn't line up perfectly with our budget cycle,

[Speaker 1] (54:22 - 54:29)
but I thought it'd be useful to illustrate you can see the million gallons of water that we purchased from.

[Speaker 1] (54:28 - 54:41)
Just from their MDRA listed um by calendar year. And um limb water sewer, the amount of water that we're sending to be treated is als also listed on the bottom. Um

[Speaker 1] (54:42 - 54:43)
So those are just data points for

[Speaker 2] (54:43 - 54:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (54:44 - 54:44)
yep.

[Speaker 2] (54:44 - 54:46)
Lots of questions.

[Speaker 1] (54:46 - 54:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (54:47 - 54:47)
I don't I

[Speaker 2] (54:47 - 54:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (54:47 - 54:50)
may not be able to answer all your questions on this slide.

[Speaker 1] (54:50 - 54:51)
We could have a

[Speaker 2] (54:51 - 54:51)
whole I'll

[Speaker 1] (54:51 - 54:51)
like

[Speaker 2] (54:51 - 54:51)
let you finish

[Speaker 1] (54:51 - 54:51)
another conversation,

[Speaker 2] (54:51 - 54:52)
too.

[Speaker 2] (54:52 - 54:53)
I mean, if but you have more slides to go,

[Speaker 2] (54:53 - 54:54)
I'll let you finish.

[Speaker 1] (54:54 - 54:56)
This is this is essentially the end, so

[Speaker 2] (54:56 - 55:09)
Okay, so why am I just kind of picking through the top level data here. You're going 486 million gallons to 504 and then drops down by more than half to 206 in 2026.

[Speaker 1] (55:09 - 55:11)
The 2026 figure is just the year to date

[Speaker 3] (55:13 - 55:14)
So we're only in July,

[Speaker 1] (55:14 - 55:14)
It's

[Speaker 3] (55:14 - 55:14)
it's currently calendar

[Speaker 1] (55:14 - 55:14)
in of

[Speaker 3] (55:14 - 55:15)
year.

[Speaker 1] (55:15 - 55:15)
July.

[Speaker 1] (55:17 - 55:18)
That's actually through May,

[Speaker 2] (55:18 - 55:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (55:18 - 55:19)
that figure.

[Speaker 2] (55:22 - 55:24)
Yeah, but all – okay.

[Speaker 2] (55:24 - 55:24)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (55:24 - 55:27)
It's not a projected. It's literally as we are now,

[Speaker 2] (55:27 - 55:32)
not FY27 that we've already started. I didn't know if it was FY26 or its calendar year is what you're saying. Okay,

[Speaker 1] (55:32 - 55:32)
The

[Speaker 2] (55:32 - 55:32)
I get it.

[Speaker 1] (55:32 - 55:34)
flow is calendar year, yes.

[Speaker 2] (55:34 - 55:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (55:34 - 55:36)
So but if you were to break that apart –

[Speaker 2] (55:37 - 55:38)
In terms of like scenario,

[Speaker 2] (55:39 - 55:42)
we're still less if we're at six months?

[Speaker 4] (55:42 - 55:43)
We're it says it may so

[Speaker 5] (55:43 - 55:43)
It's

[Speaker 4] (55:43 - 55:44)
it's five

[Speaker 5] (55:44 - 55:44)
as it

[Speaker 4] (55:44 - 55:44)
months

[Speaker 5] (55:44 - 55:44)
may,

[Speaker 2] (55:44 - 55:44)
May,

[Speaker 5] (55:44 - 55:45)
so it might

[Speaker 2] (55:45 - 55:45)
so it's

[Speaker 5] (55:45 - 55:45)
be...

[Speaker 2] (55:45 - 55:46)
even less. Okay.

[Speaker 6] (55:46 - 55:49)
So you'd be in between 24 and 25 if you did the math length.

[Speaker 4] (55:49 - 55:50)
Yep, I get it.

[Speaker 6] (55:50 - 55:53)
We'd be at like 494-ish if

[Speaker 4] (55:53 - 55:54)
Yeah, it's in line.

[Speaker 6] (55:54 - 55:54)
we held

[Speaker 4] (55:54 - 55:55)
I see it

[Speaker 6] (55:55 - 55:55)
steady.

[Speaker 5] (55:58 - 56:00)
It was more usage in the summer.

[Speaker 3] (56:01 - 56:08)
But yeah, and I also see that our um so in 2024 our flow back to Lynn water and sewer was significantly higher.

[Speaker 2] (56:09 - 56:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (56:09 - 56:15)
It still remains significantly higher by almost thirty percent and that's attributed to what?

[Speaker 1] (56:16 - 56:22)
Um could be a number of things, but I think storm water that's flowing being treated is a factor there.

[Speaker 1] (56:22 - 56:25)
And as we do work, that number should go down.

[Speaker 3] (56:26 - 56:32)
Mm-hmm. Is that something that we're actively talking about,

[Speaker 3] (56:32 - 56:37)
not just from the infiltration, but I know that we're actually pumping water into the sewer system,

[Speaker 3] (56:37 - 56:46)
into the sanitary sewer system and being treated. And of course, that's pretty clear when...

[Speaker 3] (56:47 - 56:50)
All the communities feeding in water and sewer,

[Speaker 3] (56:50 - 56:54)
you know, they have when you have heavy rains, the sanitary sewer has to release from too

[Speaker 4] (56:54 - 56:54)
much Mm pressure-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (56:54 - 57:08)
in the system. So obviously it's massive amounts being pumped particularly in heavy rainstorms, but that that tells me it's a real, you know It's a real cost impact if that was level how much how much how much is that costing us the

[Speaker 1] (57:09 - 57:11)
The flow from.

[Speaker 3] (57:11 - 57:12)
additional sewer flow

[Speaker 2] (57:13 - 57:13)
Being treated

[Speaker 1] (57:14 - 57:18)
Um I don't have a figure on that exactly for you, but we could

[Speaker 3] (57:18 - 57:18)
You could I'd put like to put

[Speaker 1] (57:18 - 57:18)
an estimate.

[Speaker 3] (57:18 - 57:23)
in I'd like to put a number to whatever it is that's over the M_W_R_A_

[Speaker 1] (57:23 - 57:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (57:24 - 57:25)
coming the Zinta and the Gazata.

[Speaker 1] (57:26 - 57:26)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (57:27 - 57:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (57:28 - 57:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (57:29 - 57:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (57:30 - 57:30)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 5] (57:32 - 57:36)
Patrick, so what's your recommendation? Can you go over that again just

[Speaker 1] (57:36 - 57:49)
Yeah, I can recap. So my recommendation is to raise sewer rates 4%, water rates 3%, and that would mean the average household would pay $52 more this year for water and sewer.

[Speaker 5] (57:49 - 57:53)
That's in line with what we decided last year, right? Does it particularly

[Speaker 1] (57:53 - 57:53)
It is.

[Speaker 5] (57:53 - 57:57)
decide on a structured plan for the following three years last year?

[Speaker 1] (57:57 - 57:59)
We did. The plan was to pass a

[Speaker 1] (58:00 - 58:10)
fairly large increase last year to get us to a certain place that was passed and this recommendations in line with the path forward that we discussed.

[Speaker 5] (58:10 - 58:11)
Great. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (58:12 - 58:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (58:13 - 58:14)
Patrick, though

[Speaker 6] (58:14 - 58:14)
I think it's

[Speaker 5] (58:14 - 58:16)
oh sorry, go ahead, Katie.

[Speaker 6] (58:16 - 58:17)
Go ahead, Maryam.

[Speaker 5] (58:17 - 58:19)
Um I think

[Speaker 5] (58:20 - 58:45)
What I'm hearing is that yes we said we were going to get a little bit more stable going forward, but I think not seeing what the actual, what are we actually looking at doing next year? How many dollars are really going into capital? And then how many dollars are going into capital over the next four years? What is the actual plan? Because we did take we t we took off the

[Speaker 5] (58:45 - 58:52)
SRF loan, the application for the SRF loan, because we weren't even going to be able to finish the work we were doing.

[Speaker 5] (58:52 - 59:02)
So one concern I have is I'm not really seeing a plan on exactly how much money we're looking at spending over the next five years and what those assumptions,

[Speaker 5] (59:03 - 59:04)
those dollar assumptions are going to really be.

[Speaker 5] (59:05 - 59:10)
So I'm all for making sure, of course, making sure things are stable,

[Speaker 5] (59:10 - 59:10)
but I'm not really sure how much money we're going to be able to spend.

[Speaker 7] (59:11 - 59:34)
Not really seeing a little clearer data puts me in a concerned position as far as just going up four percent versus two and a half percent, three percent. I don't want to go back into retained earnings but I also want to be really lean because that was a hefty increase that we gave people last year and I received a lot of

[Speaker 1] (59:41 - 59:47)
of uh being on a fixed budget. So not having those numbers is a little bit of a problem for me.

[Speaker 2] (59:47 - 59:52)
So the work that we based this on was the accepted five-year capital plan.

[Speaker 2] (59:53 - 59:57)
And I know at the last meeting Patrick said that the SRF, which is

[Speaker 2] (59:58 - 1:00:05)
We pushed it out. We didn't remove it. The idea is that we believe we'll be able to complete the work in phase 2B and phase 2C will not be necessary.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:06 - 1:00:07)
So we moved it out a year.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:07 - 1:00:11)
We didn't include it in the voted town meeting. It wasn't that it was completely eliminated.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:11 - 1:00:13)
We didn't we didn't apply for it though

[Speaker 2] (1:00:13 - 1:00:13)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:13 - 1:00:18)
We pushed it out a year so that we would be able to apply in the future and come back to town meeting in the future and say,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:18 - 1:00:20)
we don't think we're going to complete it with 2B.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:20 - 1:00:21)
We do need it.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:21 - 1:00:22)
So it's still.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:22 - 1:00:35)
live in and out year. The other thing that we've sort of kept an eye on, and Gina was I think rightly concerned that we keep an eye on, is that we're spending money on the force main study this year going into next year.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:35 - 1:00:36)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:36 - 1:00:44)
That will be a significant expense that we don't have a number for right now. And so we're trying to be as reasonable and responsible as possible with a predictable

[Speaker 3] (1:00:45 - 1:00:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:45 - 1:01:09)
sort of idea for the rate payer that it will stay in the range that you all had discussed when you sort of did the catch-up year which was hard and we recognize that which is why we don't we want to be as reasonable as possible but the idea is that if we're predictable for the rate payers and we know that this big expense is coming that will we will be able to put a number to hopefully this fiscal year when the force main study is complete that is a significant expense that lives out there

[Speaker 2] (1:01:10 - 1:01:12)
without a number within this part of our budget.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:12 - 1:01:14)
Okay, that's a good point.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:14 - 1:01:24)
So it's sort of a question around do we want to hold it as like I think there's a stabilization account as an example. Do we want to move some of it to and that stabilization is expressly used for capital.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:24 - 1:01:30)
I mean there's different ways that we can look to make sure that everyone feels comfortable that this money is going to go to the right place when it's needed.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:31 - 1:01:42)
But it's certainly, you know, it's reasonable to say it's two and a quarter, two and a half, three. That's that's why we wanted to provide as much information as possible that was requested in the last meeting so you all could make an informed decision.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:43 - 1:01:45)
Is this money just sitting in the enterprise fund?

[Speaker 4] (1:01:45 - 1:01:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:46 - 1:01:47)
Yes, so retained earnings

[Speaker 1] (1:01:47 - 1:01:48)
Retained

[Speaker 5] (1:01:48 - 1:01:48)
are

[Speaker 1] (1:01:48 - 1:01:48)
earnings.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:48 - 1:01:48)
like

[Speaker 4] (1:01:48 - 1:01:49)
Yeah. Like.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:49 - 1:01:51)
remain within the enterprise fund

[Speaker 4] (1:01:51 - 1:01:51)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:01:51 - 1:01:51)
and

[Speaker 4] (1:01:51 - 1:01:51)
guess

[Speaker 5] (1:01:51 - 1:01:51)
can be

[Speaker 4] (1:01:51 - 1:01:51)
what appropriated you're.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:51 - 1:01:54)
for any purpose within that sphere.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:54 - 1:01:54)
How

[Speaker 4] (1:01:54 - 1:01:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:54 - 1:01:55)
much do we have in that right now?

[Speaker 5] (1:01:56 - 1:01:57)
And retained earnings.

[Speaker 6] (1:02:00 - 1:02:00)
it's on the It's next

[Speaker 5] (1:02:00 - 1:02:01)
on the

[Speaker 6] (1:02:01 - 1:02:01)
slide?

[Speaker 5] (1:02:01 - 1:02:02)
slide, yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:03 - 1:02:07)
It's actually right there on the bottom of the slide on the screen. That's my unaudited estimate

[Speaker 1] (1:02:07 - 1:02:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:02:07 - 1:02:12)
of where we are. So one million in the Sewer Fund and one and a half in the Water Fund.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:13 - 1:02:32)
I just want to go back to the infrastructure conversation really quick because I remember Gino very explicitly saying you know sort of what keeps him up at night is that those force mains and that it's not a if it's a when sort of situation and the whole conversation last year was really trying to factor in

[Speaker 7] (1:02:33 - 1:02:58)
somewhat of a wild card like we know what kind of happens it's very expensive we don't know sort of when we're going to have to do it but we know we are going to have to do it and how can we do our best to stabilize out the increase that's even taking into account that risk so I totally understand not wanting to just increase for the sake of increasing but I think if we have targets like that

[Speaker 7] (1:02:59 - 1:03:20)
that we are saving for specifically knowing that it is to prevent a large hike the year of one of those wins instead of coming back to the ratepayer and really you know like having to increase the way we had to last year I think it is far easier for families to take

[Speaker 7] (1:03:21 - 1:03:27)
That increase then to take the hundreds increase in in and out year when something catastrophic happens

[Speaker 1] (1:03:28 - 1:03:40)
I think that's a I think that's a good point and I'd like to make a motion to increase the sewer rates increase the oh wait where did so where are your actual rates here

[Speaker 7] (1:03:41 - 1:03:44)
I think it's three point four five percent

[Speaker 4] (1:03:44 - 1:03:45)
That's blended.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:46 - 1:03:46)
3.45.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:46 - 1:03:47)
So I

[Speaker 2] (1:03:47 - 1:03:47)
Just wanted

[Speaker 1] (1:03:47 - 1:03:47)
make I

[Speaker 2] (1:03:47 - 1:03:48)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:03:48 - 1:03:48)
so I make a motion

[Speaker 2] (1:03:48 - 1:03:49)
make to sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:49 - 1:03:51)
increase the recommended rates by

[Speaker 4] (1:03:52 - 1:03:54)
It's three and two or what was

[Speaker 8] (1:03:54 - 1:03:54)
Three

[Speaker 4] (1:03:54 - 1:03:54)
the other point?

[Speaker 8] (1:03:54 - 1:03:55)
and four, isn't it? Four.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:55 - 1:03:58)
There's some specific motion language for you on page 13.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:58 - 1:03:59)
Do you?

[Speaker 8] (1:03:59 - 1:03:59)
Page

[Speaker 1] (1:03:59 - 1:03:59)
There

[Speaker 8] (1:03:59 - 1:03:59)
is? eight.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:59 - 1:04:00)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:00 - 1:04:01)
Oh there we go, let's go to that.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:04 - 1:04:05)
Page 13?

[Speaker 5] (1:04:05 - 1:04:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:05 - 1:04:06)
I don't have a page

[Speaker 2] (1:04:06 - 1:04:07)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:04:07 - 1:04:07)
13.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:07 - 1:04:07)
don't, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:07 - 1:04:08)
It's not.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:09 - 1:04:11)
My slide goes 12 to 15.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:13 - 1:04:15)
Patrick, would you like to read the language?

[Speaker 4] (1:04:15 - 1:04:15)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:15 - 1:04:15)
Do you have

[Speaker 1] (1:04:15 - 1:04:15)
yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:04:15 - 1:04:15)
he's

[Speaker 7] (1:04:15 - 1:04:16)
it?

[Speaker 1] (1:04:16 - 1:04:16)
go ahead Patrick

[Speaker 4] (1:04:16 - 1:04:16)
bringing

[Speaker 1] (1:04:16 - 1:04:16)
you

[Speaker 4] (1:04:16 - 1:04:16)
it over.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:16 - 1:04:17)
can read it just

[Speaker 7] (1:04:17 - 1:04:18)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:18 - 1:04:19)
thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:19 - 1:04:20)
Thank you, Pat.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:20 - 1:04:24)
chicken down okay so I'd like to

[Speaker 1] (1:04:25 - 1:04:28)
Move to adopt water and sewer rates as follow.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:28 - 1:04:29)
Water rates, tier one,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:29 - 1:04:33)
$10.67 per hundred cubic feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:33 - 1:04:36)
Tier two, $11 per hundred cubic feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:36 - 1:04:37)
Tier three,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:37 - 1:04:41)
$11.37 per hundred cubic feet. Base rate,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:41 - 1:04:44)
$17.29 per quarter for all tiers.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:44 - 1:04:45)
Sewer rates,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:45 - 1:04:49)
tier one, $8.79 per hundred cubic feet. Tier two,

[Speaker 1] (1:04:50 - 1:04:51)
$9.93.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:51 - 1:05:01)
three per cubic feet tier three eleven dollars per cubic feet base rate 24 62 per quarter for all tiers second

[Speaker 7] (1:05:02 - 1:05:04)
All right, we will have to roll call.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:04 - 1:05:05)
Wayne?

[Speaker 4] (1:05:05 - 1:05:06)
Hi.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:06 - 1:05:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:07 - 1:05:08)
Hi.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:08 - 1:05:09)
Danielle?

[Speaker 1] (1:05:09 - 1:05:10)
Aye

[Speaker 7] (1:05:10 - 1:05:11)
Mary Ellen?

[Speaker 7] (1:05:11 - 1:05:13)
And I am an I.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:14 - 1:05:15)
Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:15 - 1:05:28)
I do want to make one comment, and I would like to make a request that for next year we look at what would it cost to eliminate these tiers and to just charge for what does it cost for water,

[Speaker 1] (1:05:28 - 1:05:29)
because

[Speaker 5] (1:05:29 - 1:05:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:31 - 1:05:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:34 - 1:05:37)
I am worried about these tiers.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:39 - 1:05:39)
Not yet.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:39 - 1:05:43)
I just want to put a little bit more thought into it over the next

[Speaker 4] (1:05:43 - 1:05:43)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:43 - 1:05:43)
12 months.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:43 - 1:05:51)
Okay. And Patrick also if you could let let us know what the cost of that extra pumping back to Lynn water and sewer cost.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:51 - 1:05:52)
Yeah, I'll work that up.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:52 - 1:05:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:53 - 1:05:53)
You got it.

[Speaker 4] (1:05:53 - 1:05:53)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:54 - 1:05:56)
Thank you, Patrick, for all your work on this.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:56 - 1:05:56)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 5] (1:05:57 - 1:05:57)
Thank you for having me.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:59 - 1:05:59)
Anytime.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:01 - 1:06:01)
That's what we

[Speaker 9] (1:06:01 - 1:06:01)
Next

[Speaker 4] (1:06:01 - 1:06:02)
work out

[Speaker 9] (1:06:02 - 1:06:02)
week.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:02 - 1:06:02)
on a Tuesday night,

[Speaker 2] (1:06:02 - 1:06:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:03 - 1:06:03)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:03 - 1:06:05)
after working all day.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:05 - 1:06:08)
All right, we will move on to discussion on parking enforcement.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:09 - 1:06:25)
So I'll just briefly introduce the chief and the team are here. He has a number of slides to walk through and he and I have spoken a little bit last week. We anticipate that the board will have questions as well. So I'll turn it over to the chief to the presentation and we can sort of take it from there.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:26 - 1:06:27)
Sure, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:27 - 1:06:28)
Thank you, Nick.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:28 - 1:06:35)
Uh I wanted to provide a a I know there are bit there's been a lot of questions on parking enforcement, so I wanted to provide uh more of a high-level summary.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:36 - 1:06:39)
for you and allow you to any questions that you might have.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:40 - 1:06:47)
Myself and the two newly promoted lieutenants are here to give you more of a street level view of,

[Speaker 4] (1:06:47 - 1:06:55)
I can give you more of the 30,000 foot level view but they can tell you what they have been seeing on the street and I think that's really important.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:56 - 1:06:57)
Next slide.

[Speaker 4] (1:06:58 - 1:07:03)
So, from January of this year to June of this year, mid-year review,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:03 - 1:07:06)
there's been 576 parking citations that have been issued.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:07 - 1:07:16)
That's if you look at it, we are just going about to be higher than our average total,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:16 - 1:07:20)
which is for the last three years is about 860 parking citations per year.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:22 - 1:07:25)
And I had a couple graphs that you can look at.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:26 - 1:07:27)
So we'll go next slide.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:29 - 1:07:37)
The top ten parking spots where we are issuing parking citations, number one is the train station,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:37 - 1:07:45)
the depot. There were 105 citations, parking citations that were issued there within the past six months.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:45 - 1:07:47)
Number two is Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:47 - 1:07:52)
We have issued 58 citations. And just for your knowledge,

[Speaker 4] (1:07:52 - 1:07:53)
these are

[Speaker 10] (1:07:53 - 1:07:59)
citations that were given to us by Kelly and Ryan.

[Speaker 10] (1:07:59 - 1:08:00)
So those are verified,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:00 - 1:08:04)
our parking citation organization.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:04 - 1:08:07)
So they are verified citations that were given out.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:07 - 1:08:11)
Next is, I know a gentleman here earlier spoke about,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:11 - 1:08:20)
then in square we've issued 48 parking citations and many of those are in parking within the fire lanes.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:20 - 1:08:23)
So there have been 48 within the past six months.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:23 - 1:08:35)
What we've seen is there was an influx of parking citations during the month or during January 25th through February 7th for the snow, for impeding snow removal.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:35 - 1:08:36)
Again,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:36 - 1:08:39)
the safety priority in that the fire lanes,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:39 - 1:08:42)
handicaps, that's what we're seeing in Vinland Square.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:42 - 1:08:45)
And the Uber driver is absolutely correct.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:45 - 1:08:46)
Um,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:46 - 1:08:47)
the,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:47 - 1:08:48)
the other area is,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:48 - 1:08:49)
again,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:49 - 1:08:51)
something that we have dealt with,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:51 - 1:08:51)
uh,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:52 - 1:08:55)
for many years is the, the beach sticker requirements.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:55 - 1:08:56)
Next slide.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:01 - 1:09:01)
Next slide, please.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:01 - 1:09:02)
Yeah, that's not my

[Speaker 10] (1:09:02 - 1:09:03)
Oh, it's not working. Sorry.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:04 - 1:09:07)
I thought Shannon was doing it again.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:07 - 1:09:09)
I just wanted to give an, an.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:10 - 1:09:25)
update on the top 10 parking violations of what we've seen in the last six months with it being resident sticker violations impeding snow removal recreation stickers and so forth next

[Speaker 10] (1:09:27 - 1:09:28)
slide please

[Speaker 1] (1:09:27 - 1:09:28)
Next slide, please.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:30 - 1:09:33)
Again, this is just a rehash of what we talked about.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:33 - 1:09:39)
105 citations near the Swampscott Depot,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:39 - 1:09:45)
what we are seeing, what our officers and supervisors are seeing are the spillover from Columbia,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:46 - 1:09:46)
Maple,

[Speaker 2] (1:09:47 - 1:09:47)
Middlesex.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:48 - 1:09:57)
That's where we see that a lot of out-of-town commuters start parking, which is causing these parking issues for our residents.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:57 - 1:09:57)
residence.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:57 - 1:09:58)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:58 - 1:09:59)
Next slide please.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:03 - 1:10:05)
Again that's just a rehash, we can skip that slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:07 - 1:10:12)
Most of the concentration of the parking citations are occurring from nine to noon.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:12 - 1:10:14)
So again,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:14 - 1:10:20)
that is, and our highest days are Sunday and Saturday,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:20 - 1:10:20)
respectively,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:20 - 1:10:22)
for beach sticker violations.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:23 - 1:10:30)
So we see a large influx of our latest citations, parking citations coming from the beach areas.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:31 - 1:10:32)
Next slide, please.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:34 - 1:10:41)
This is just to give you an idea of what Mr.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:41 - 1:10:55)
Connors and I are talking about as well as my team and several other departments in that we need to look at creating rules for and consistent rules and guidelines for park enforcement regulations. It took me

[Speaker 2] (1:10:56 - 1:10:58)
Probably a couple years to figure this out,

[Speaker 2] (1:10:58 - 1:11:04)
you know, on Columbia Street near the depot on the even side is resident only,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:04 - 1:11:16)
but on the odd side, it's a recreation sticker or a town sticker is and I we completely understand that why that is because it's affecting our residents in that in that area of town,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:16 - 1:11:21)
but there's also things that we should probably start looking at if there's other ways of.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:21 - 1:11:24)
of conducting parking enforcement and regulations.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:25 - 1:11:25)
Again,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:26 - 1:11:31)
Humphrey Street from Humphrey and Reddington to about Marshall Street,

[Speaker 2] (1:11:31 - 1:11:39)
there's a one-hour limit on the even side and a two-hour limit on the water side, the ocean side.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:40 - 1:11:48)
I don't have the historical knowledge of why that is. Maybe that's something we can or should look at just just for food for thought for the board.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:49 - 1:11:57)
And then the other areas of town, I know last weekend or the weekend before we had an issue at Kid's Cove.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:58 - 1:12:24)
where individuals are parking and they're actually blocking other vehicles from getting out and so our officers are out there two cars trying to find somebody on the beach is this your vehicle you need to move it right away so we see that issue again that's for a larger discussion for the board and and our town administrator to look at

[Speaker 2] (1:12:25 - 1:12:34)
instituting some type of fee schedule or some type of delineated markings for that for that area sure

[Speaker 4] (1:12:35 - 1:12:38)
Let me stop here for a second and let absolutely me let you know my

[Speaker 4] (1:12:38 - 1:12:40)
So I think it was

[Speaker 4] (1:12:41 - 1:12:45)
Two and a half years ago at this point, maybe it's longer, the time all merges together,

[Speaker 4] (1:12:45 - 1:12:53)
but we're having a conversation about beach parking on Beach Ave and sort of in the Phillips Beach area.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:53 - 1:12:58)
And that I think started the conversation to spur to increase the fines to $75.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:01 - 1:13:03)
This might not be a question you can answer right now,

[Speaker 4] (1:13:03 - 1:13:18)
but I'm wondering why the language didn't allow for all the fines related to parking to increase to $75 or if whatever motion we made wasn't specific enough or because I know for certain we also then revisited all the fees,

[Speaker 4] (1:13:18 - 1:13:26)
I think it was that fall after each season and at the time maybe Sarah came in with all the fees related.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:26 - 1:13:44)
maybe they were not safety related maybe they were just fees within Town Hall but I think we obviously need consistency which is what you're trying to highlight here it's very confusing for you all it's confusing for the residents but also I thought we already did it so I just want to figure out

[Speaker 4] (1:13:44 - 1:13:44)
and

[Speaker 5] (1:13:44 - 1:13:45)
Well, I think

[Speaker 4] (1:13:45 - 1:13:45)
why

[Speaker 5] (1:13:45 - 1:13:45)
it's

[Speaker 4] (1:13:45 - 1:13:46)
there's a sync and system thing.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:46 - 1:13:53)
it's two-prong, Katy, right? Because it's the fees are obviously a huge discrepancy, right? Why is it seventy five dollars on ocean now,

[Speaker 4] (1:13:53 - 1:13:53)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:13:53 - 1:14:02)
but twenty five on Humphrey Street? But the other piece of this is the sticker issue, right? So a resident sticker versus a recreation sticker,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:02 - 1:14:05)
but they're really the same thing, right? Or they're not?

[Speaker 6] (1:14:05 - 1:14:05)
No.

[Speaker 5] (1:14:05 - 1:14:06)
They look different?

[Speaker 4] (1:14:06 - 1:14:06)
They're not the same

[Speaker 2] (1:14:06 - 1:14:06)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:14:06 - 1:14:06)
thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:06 - 1:14:07)
think that's correct.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:07 - 1:14:07)
They

[Speaker 5] (1:14:07 - 1:14:07)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:07 - 1:14:07)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:14:07 - 1:14:08)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:08 - 1:14:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:08 - 1:14:09)
they are different

[Speaker 5] (1:14:09 - 1:14:10)
So they look

[Speaker 4] (1:14:10 - 1:14:10)
So

[Speaker 5] (1:14:10 - 1:14:10)
different.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:10 - 1:14:10)
we, no

[Speaker 2] (1:14:10 - 1:14:11)
What?

[Speaker 5] (1:14:11 - 1:14:12)
I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:12 - 1:14:29)
I'm just going to say so we did think about some of this when the board met for its like goal setting and part of the conversation that came up related to this is the idea that perhaps we would create zones, parking zones,

[Speaker 4] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
right?

[Speaker 5] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
Color

[Speaker 4] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
Area

[Speaker 5] (1:14:30 - 1:14:31)
coding.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:31 - 1:14:36)
where a resident would know from this street to this street is their residential zone.

[Speaker 4] (1:14:37 - 1:15:02)
and that is where they can park without issue when they get that you know resident sticker and that stickers potentially could be colored by zone right a lot I think a lot of other towns do that and if it's you know the depot zone and the depot zone is yellow and you have a yellow parking sticker you can park in it because that means you're a resident in that zone and that's where you're meant to park but doesn't mean you can go on to ocean Ave and park

[Speaker 4] (1:15:02 - 1:15:05)
with your resident sticker if that sticker's red.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:06 - 1:15:22)
So something like that we sort of floated around talking about figuring out a way to to make it equitable across the town so that each resident felt like it was able to park in its neighborhood without an issue.

[Speaker 5] (1:15:23 - 1:15:23)
What is it now?

[Speaker 5] (1:15:25 - 1:15:25)
It's

[Speaker 4] (1:15:25 - 1:15:25)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:15:25 - 1:15:25)
non-existent.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:25 - 1:15:26)
think it's So wrong.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:26 - 1:15:40)
if I have a resident if if I have a resident sticker and I live from by the train station am I when I get that resident sticker is there any information that says you can use this within three or four blocks of your house is there any education there?

[Speaker 5] (1:15:41 - 1:15:41)
No.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:41 - 1:15:44)
That resident sticker is obtained at the police department and

[Speaker 7] (1:15:44 - 1:15:45)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:45 - 1:15:54)
there's no charge to it. So when the officer issues that, they provide two visitor passes with it and that sticker, their person is told where to put it and also what it's used for.

[Speaker 8] (1:15:56 - 1:16:02)
The miscommunication might be, or the misinterpretation is resident and then they feel I'm a resident of Swampscott,

[Speaker 8] (1:16:02 - 1:16:04)
I can park anywhere where I see resident.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:04 - 1:16:04)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:04 - 1:16:04)
Mm

[Speaker 8] (1:16:04 - 1:16:13)
Um-hmm. the recreation is more galvanised to a particular, like the zone that Miss Phelan talked about, you can park anywhere there says recreation parking.

[Speaker 8] (1:16:13 - 1:16:13)
So

[Speaker 7] (1:16:14 - 1:16:22)
Right. I'm just wondering if we have to go with if we have to go with color and this and that if we can just make a policy that you can park within X amount of space.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:22 - 1:16:30)
is of your residency because when you write a ticket you bring up the license plate number and who owns it and because you're already doing the work right there right?

[Speaker 8] (1:16:30 - 1:16:31)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:16:31 - 1:16:31)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:16:31 - 1:16:35)
Then how I guess how would you'd have to put every single license plate into now?

[Speaker 4] (1:16:35 - 1:16:37)
How would you how else would you know?

[Speaker 7] (1:16:37 - 1:16:40)
if you're writing a if you're writing a ticket on a car

[Speaker 7] (1:16:40 - 1:16:42)
Aren't you writing the ticket

[Speaker 8] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
It's

[Speaker 7] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
and it

[Speaker 8] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
a hand

[Speaker 7] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
says

[Speaker 8] (1:16:42 - 1:16:45)
it's a handwritten ticket on a piece of paper that's multi

[Speaker 5] (1:16:45 - 1:16:46)
You're not rubbing

[Speaker 8] (1:16:46 - 1:16:46)
I can it show you

[Speaker 7] (1:16:46 - 1:16:47)
Oh,

[Speaker 8] (1:16:47 - 1:16:47)
yeah

[Speaker 7] (1:16:47 - 1:16:47)
you're writing it

[Speaker 8] (1:16:47 - 1:16:52)
and you don't necessarily query it into the state website sometimes they might but

[Speaker 7] (1:16:52 - 1:16:52)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (1:16:52 - 1:16:55)
if you are quickly doing a street like Columbia and

[Speaker 7] (1:16:55 - 1:16:55)
got it

[Speaker 8] (1:16:55 - 1:16:57)
you're scanning it we instruct

[Speaker 8] (1:16:58 - 1:17:04)
The resident to put their sticker on the driver's side rear so that as you drive by you can quickly see I don't see one that car is eligible for

[Speaker 7] (1:17:04 - 1:17:04)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (1:17:04 - 1:17:05)
a ticket.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:05 - 1:17:07)
so that's why you're saying you need to you should have a colour i

[Speaker 8] (1:17:07 - 1:17:08)
I think Yep. a colour zone is a great idea.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:08 - 1:17:09)
Okay,

[Speaker 9] (1:17:09 - 1:17:09)
It's too.

[Speaker 7] (1:17:09 - 1:17:09)
I'm alright.

[Speaker 8] (1:17:09 - 1:17:10)
in agreement with you. Reason,

[Speaker 2] (1:17:10 - 1:17:10)
A

[Speaker 9] (1:17:10 - 1:17:10)
Reason.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:10 - 1:17:10)
but

[Speaker 8] (1:17:10 - 1:17:10)
anyway.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:10 - 1:17:13)
the coloured zone would allow for

[Speaker 10] (1:17:14 - 1:17:15)
It's not interpretation

[Speaker 4] (1:17:15 - 1:17:15)
immediate

[Speaker 10] (1:17:15 - 1:17:16)
of like

[Speaker 4] (1:17:16 - 1:17:16)
distinction,

[Speaker 10] (1:17:16 - 1:17:16)
what is

[Speaker 4] (1:17:16 - 1:17:16)
right?

[Speaker 10] (1:17:16 - 1:17:18)
what is a reasonable distance from Columbia?

[Speaker 5] (1:17:18 - 1:17:18)
Very.

[Speaker 10] (1:17:18 - 1:17:19)
You know like the

[Speaker 7] (1:17:19 - 1:17:19)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:17:19 - 1:17:21)
whether it's three blocks two blocks whatever

[Speaker 8] (1:17:21 - 1:17:21)
There's

[Speaker 10] (1:17:21 - 1:17:21)
it's

[Speaker 8] (1:17:21 - 1:17:21)
one

[Speaker 10] (1:17:21 - 1:17:22)
just

[Speaker 8] (1:17:22 - 1:17:22)
other question

[Speaker 10] (1:17:22 - 1:17:22)
too much

[Speaker 8] (1:17:22 - 1:17:24)
that arises that if I live on Borough Street,

[Speaker 8] (1:17:25 - 1:17:27)
am I allowed to park on resident on Maple Ave,

[Speaker 10] (1:17:27 - 1:17:28)
Right

[Speaker 8] (1:17:28 - 1:17:29)
which is adjacent to it?

[Speaker 7] (1:17:29 - 1:17:29)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:17:29 - 1:17:33)
And in theory, I, you know, that's up for debate, but in, I get what they're trying to do.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:34 - 1:17:38)
It just seems to be like so, it's an education issue,

[Speaker 5] (1:17:38 - 1:17:41)
right, because you have to think some people that are just moving to Swamp

[Speaker 5] (1:17:40 - 1:18:06)
the Swampscott have no idea what the differentiator is and where they can park where they can't. And to your point they think they have a resident sticker they can park wherever right. So that's one problem. But to me it's not just parking. Parking coincides in my mind with safety right because there's a there's a bigger piece here. Sure we have problems with parking and people getting tickets but we have problems with just safety in terms of drivers driving. So it's a bigger

[Speaker 5] (1:18:07 - 1:18:11)
It's a bigger issue in my mind. I correlate the driving with parking and safety.

[Speaker 8] (1:18:12 - 1:18:17)
The safety component we think of, I think, as a patrol officer would be, can a fire truck get down the street?

[Speaker 5] (1:18:17 - 1:18:17)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:18:17 - 1:18:20)
Is it parking on both sides that's bottlenecking it?

[Speaker 5] (1:18:20 - 1:18:20)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:18:20 - 1:18:22)
And that is a huge issue.

[Speaker 8] (1:18:22 - 1:18:29)
The other one is the sidewalk threshold. Can a person pushing a baby stroller get by safely without having to go out into the street?

[Speaker 11] (1:18:29 - 1:18:34)
I'd be good to identify those areas, and I think of Cedar.

[Speaker 11] (1:18:34 - 1:18:35)
Cedar Hill Terrace for instance, right,

[Speaker 5] (1:18:35 - 1:18:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:18:35 - 1:18:55)
that we've talked about you know there is no definition of road to sidewalk and I do have concerns. It's one example of many areas in town that are very tight, right, is coming up with at least some consistent rules as to what defines the limit to where they can park so that there is safe passage for pedestrians.

[Speaker 11] (1:18:56 - 1:18:57)
I just think it's just inconsistent.

[Speaker 11] (1:18:57 - 1:19:12)
Can I make a suggestion? I'm just I'm fast-forwarding a little bit and I see you have a nice slide here about modernizing swamped out parking that might be a good guide for us to give us some talking points to organize our conversation.

[Speaker 5] (1:19:13 - 1:19:14)
Well, I think, do you

[Speaker 4] (1:19:14 - 1:19:14)
I have guess

[Speaker 5] (1:19:14 - 1:19:14)
some

[Speaker 4] (1:19:14 - 1:19:15)
um

[Speaker 5] (1:19:17 - 1:19:18)
Sorry, go ahead, Katie.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:18 - 1:19:18)
Yeah, that's exactly

[Speaker 4] (1:19:18 - 1:19:20)
Okay, that's the next slide, so.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:20 - 1:19:24)
that is exactly what we're trying to get to.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:29 - 1:19:36)
but really looking at reinstituting, reconsidering our parking regulations townwide.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:36 - 1:19:46)
That is just everything that we just talked about, about what's to resonate versus recreation, what area is resonant versus...

[Speaker 2] (1:19:46 - 1:19:54)
this recreation and some of the things in creating a universal town-wide access for parking.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:55 - 1:19:56)
I'm not saying that'll work,

[Speaker 2] (1:19:56 - 1:20:00)
just an idea to spur some thought for the board to consider.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:01 - 1:20:07)
And so that's truly what I wanted to get out with this presentation tonight.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:07 - 1:20:08)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:08 - 1:20:10)
I mean, that is the...

[Speaker 2] (1:20:10 - 1:20:13)
essentially the bulk of it, of the conversation.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:14 - 1:20:17)
And I did want to I I know that at one point we had

[Speaker 4] (1:20:18 - 1:20:35)
During the school year we definitely have a traffic safety officer, or we had in the past, and I really think in terms of calling it a traffic officer, that's really not what it should be. It should be a safety officer, right? And I think we need to get back to that. I think that's a key pi we were talking about the school issue earlier

[Speaker 5] (1:20:35 - 1:20:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:35 - 1:20:44)
and you know the the issues that might have been created by the new elementary school to revisit that because of the neighbourhood and because of the safety of the kids.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:44 - 1:20:50)
and I think that this is right in line with that but we definitely need a point person for Yes, me because

[Speaker 2] (1:20:50 - 1:20:51)
and that is,

[Speaker 2] (1:20:51 - 1:20:53)
you know, that's why I made such

[Speaker 4] (1:20:53 - 1:20:53)
a really beautiful a bike

[Speaker 2] (1:20:53 - 1:21:01)
big deal with the new hires because that's why we had to, one of the reasons why we had to reinstitute Officer Vrain,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:01 - 1:21:01)
Kevin Vrain,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:01 - 1:21:06)
back into patrol while we had a number of vacancies and positions to fill.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:06 - 1:21:11)
But our hope is that he will be back before the city.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:11 - 1:21:12)
the school year.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:12 - 1:21:13)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:13 - 1:21:14)
He was tremendous with

[Speaker 2] (1:21:14 - 1:21:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:14 - 1:21:28)
Officer Wilson at it and really for the school year time it you know it worked beautifully but that's not the only problem we have. Obviously there are other safety concerns in parking issues and I think we need to dedicate a body to really address those things.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:28 - 1:21:31)
Yes. And just to close this out for the next slide.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:32 - 1:21:57)
uh and the following two slides just to close it out it one of the other things that that we had discussed is um creating a consistent fine schedule as uh katie uh or or ted may have brought up tonight and uh in looking at other areas it's not widely publicized and i was looking for lynn danvers uh sagas marblehead salem it's not widely

[Speaker 2] (1:21:57 - 1:22:02)
We publicize most of them start at $50 for parking violations.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:02 - 1:22:09)
Not all, because it's very hard to find, unless you actually have a parking citation from that town or city,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:10 - 1:22:17)
well, you know. But generally it's been approximately 50 from what I've seen in the surrounding communities.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:19 - 1:22:23)
And one of the other suggestions is to,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:23 - 1:22:26)
I saw on the city of Salem website,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:26 - 1:22:27)
they haven't.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:28 - 1:22:39)
A map would be like an Esri map that shows the parking restrictions throughout the city and where people can and should be parking versus resident parking.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:40 - 1:22:46)
I mean, even going through their website, they charge $10 per year for every resident parking.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:46 - 1:22:47)
I'm not saying,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:47 - 1:22:50)
I'm not suggesting instituting that,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:50 - 1:22:53)
but just another food for thought.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:53 - 1:22:53)
thought in

[Speaker 6] (1:22:53 - 1:23:02)
And when I look at parkopedia and I'm looking for parking in the city, it shows where all the street parking is, how much the street parking is,

[Speaker 7] (1:23:02 - 1:23:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:02 - 1:23:14)
there's no reason if you know we couldn't you know work within that app technology to be able to make that uh incredibly visual for for anybody coming into town.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:14 - 1:23:15)
Have we ever considered

[Speaker 8] (1:23:15 - 1:23:15)
So,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:15 - 1:23:25)
or have we considered at all going back to having a parking matron or a literal like a ticket meter lady? I don't know what to call,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:25 - 1:23:26)
I don't know what the term is, but a parking

[Speaker 6] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
Parking

[Speaker 4] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
meter.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:26 - 1:23:27)
enforcement person.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:27 - 1:23:33)
Thank you. That's not an actual police officer where we're having to divert somebody that's a patrolman or

[Speaker 2] (1:23:33 - 1:23:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:33 - 1:23:39)
you know in a higher level position to actually just focus on writing tickets.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:39 - 1:23:39)
Yes, definitely.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:39 - 1:23:40)
Well,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:40 - 1:23:40)
That is...

[Speaker 8] (1:23:40 - 1:23:41)
I'm so sorry.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:41 - 1:23:41)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:23:41 - 1:23:41)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:41 - 1:23:41)
sorry,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:41 - 1:23:42)
I just have to ask

[Speaker 6] (1:23:42 - 1:23:42)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:42 - 1:23:46)
you, could you also just are we short-staffed? Is that the problem why tickets aren't being written?

[Speaker 2] (1:23:47 - 1:23:51)
I think we're on track to exceed our averages.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:52 - 1:23:54)
So we have,

[Speaker 2] (1:23:54 - 1:24:00)
I think there's one position that we kept unfilled due to budget constraints.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:00 - 1:24:05)
But when all of these officers that I announced tonight hit the street,

[Speaker 2] (1:24:05 - 1:24:09)
we will be nearly fully staffed at patrol officers.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:11 - 1:24:14)
So to answer your question, Danielle,

[Speaker 2] (1:24:14 - 1:24:20)
about one of the things that we discussed was right now, according to the CBA,

[Speaker 2] (1:24:20 - 1:24:23)
it's an officer's job for

[Speaker 4] (1:24:23 - 1:24:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:24 - 1:24:25)
parking enforcement.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:25 - 1:24:36)
So we would be violating the CBA if we have. But that's something that we can absolutely, and Nick had suggested, maybe that's something that we revisit and maybe a midterm bargain.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:37 - 1:24:38)
Right, maybe like an

[Speaker 9] (1:24:38 - 1:24:38)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:24:38 - 1:24:38)
MTE

[Speaker 9] (1:24:38 - 1:24:38)
can finish.

[Speaker 10] (1:24:38 - 1:24:38)
Wait.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:38 - 1:24:40)
thing, you know, actually looking at the

[Speaker 11] (1:24:41 - 1:24:51)
I think there's a real value to that because I think some of this is also data driven and we don't necessarily have all the data we need to understand where enforcement should focus,

[Speaker 11] (1:24:51 - 1:24:53)
how it should focus,

[Speaker 11] (1:24:53 - 1:24:57)
education and I know it's difficult if you and I had this conversation at St.

[Speaker 11] (1:24:57 - 1:25:08)
Nick's office the other day, the extraction of data with the abilities you have through the technology is difficult and maybe it's not.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:07 - 1:25:14)
Maybe if it were, you know, outside of the scope of officers and somebody who,

[Speaker 11] (1:25:14 - 1:25:23)
you know, was able to sort of facilitate the data differently, it might be helpful to us to understand and ascertain where the needs are a little bit better.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:24 - 1:25:25)
I also

[Speaker 6] (1:25:25 - 1:25:25)
Kate,

[Speaker 11] (1:25:25 - 1:25:26)
want to go yeah

[Speaker 6] (1:25:26 - 1:25:26)
so

[Speaker 11] (1:25:26 - 1:25:27)
go ahead yeah

[Speaker 6] (1:25:27 - 1:25:31)
Katie, were you suggesting possibly using, you know, our established GIS system?

[Speaker 11] (1:25:32 - 1:25:40)
I mean some sort of technology Wayne I don't I'm not feel I'm not familiar with parkopedia but I mean something like that sounds interesting and you

[Speaker 6] (1:25:40 - 1:25:40)
I'm not suggesting

[Speaker 11] (1:25:40 - 1:25:41)
know yeah

[Speaker 6] (1:25:41 - 1:25:44)
parkopedia specifically. I was just saying the GIS, the mapping in

[Speaker 12] (1:25:44 - 1:25:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:45 - 1:25:46)
general.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:46 - 1:25:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:25:46 - 1:25:48)
I mean I'm sure there's technology that

[Speaker 11] (1:25:48 - 1:25:58)
So take that coupled with a specific, like a person that's not an officer who would be able to, you know, dedicate 40 hours to understanding and analyzing data,

[Speaker 11] (1:25:58 - 1:26:06)
not just writing tickets and being able to educate folks coming to us and educating us where the trouble spots are, where the hot spots are,

[Speaker 11] (1:26:06 - 1:26:09)
how we can help educate our community to understand them.

[Speaker 11] (1:26:09 - 1:26:12)
I just wanted to go back a slide and I know.

[Speaker 11] (1:26:13 - 1:26:28)
that we just we were talking about a proposed solution and town-wide access potentially was on the table I think it's difficult in three square miles of diverse of diversity to have open parking

[Speaker 11] (1:26:28 - 1:26:55)
I think you know like nobody has I don't have a driveway but nobody's interested in parking on my street because it's a dead end you know in between Whole Foods and Town Hall so like it's not a hot pocket for people to park but if if I were a resident who didn't have a driveway you know by Town Hall then it's really important to me that I'm able to you know park my car out front of my house and you know take my stroller out or take my groceries out or you know whatever the need

[Speaker 11] (1:26:55 - 1:26:55)
where the need is.

[Speaker 11] (1:26:56 - 1:27:13)
So I do want to be thoughtful about, you know, the difference between, you know, equality and equity and trying to figure out what where that middle ground is so that taxpayers are still feeling like they're able to get the things that they need in their small piece of the community.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:15 - 1:27:31)
especially when it's you know the rail community the rail the MBTA area when it's the beach area where it's town hall area which we know is high frequency and we know people are parking there and we know sometimes people are overstaying parking limits there and

[Speaker 6] (1:27:31 - 1:27:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:32 - 1:27:38)
And the annual residency verification is a really interesting piece that you have there.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:39 - 1:27:52)
stickers and that would that would limit stickers to solely residents to be able to benefit from the programme. That that really is an inter Do you have any recommendation on that Nick? Or any thought on whether or not that's something we could implement or

[Speaker 13] (1:27:53 - 1:28:04)
The the places we were talking about are all places that do an annual permit, and it could be that the colour changes, it could just be that the year changes, but it's an opportunity to make it as simple as possible on the enforcement side to be like

[Speaker 13] (1:28:04 - 1:28:06)
It's red and has a 26 great.

[Speaker 4] (1:28:06 - 1:28:07)
Right, almost

[Speaker 13] (1:28:07 - 1:28:07)
Or

[Speaker 4] (1:28:07 - 1:28:08)
like your inspection.

[Speaker 13] (1:28:08 - 1:28:09)
rather than it's a faded blue that's it

[Speaker 2] (1:28:09 - 1:28:14)
We'll tell you that each the year the new design that comes out for me it was great because it stood out so

[Speaker 4] (1:28:14 - 1:28:15)
Right,

[Speaker 2] (1:28:15 - 1:28:15)
much and

[Speaker 4] (1:28:15 - 1:28:15)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:15 - 1:28:17)
from 30 feet away you could see

[Speaker 4] (1:28:17 - 1:28:17)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:17 - 1:28:17)
that.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:17 - 1:28:23)
Um we did institute a new cat entry in our database called parking enforcement,

[Speaker 2] (1:28:23 - 1:28:25)
which is officer initiated,

[Speaker 2] (1:28:25 - 1:28:29)
compared to sometimes we might have a M_V_ parking problem, which might be phone generated.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:29 - 1:28:29)
All right.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:29 - 1:28:46)
So we've had over 250 since May 12th when that was implemented of officer initiated parking concerns. So to the point about the fire lane that has been a huge help for us because it has been painted, it's clearly defined and we can now ticket and we have been doing that. That's to your point.

[Speaker 2] (1:28:46 - 1:28:51)
But even as so far as the 9 to 10 a.m., 6 to 10 a.m. at Columbia Street.

[Speaker 14] (1:28:52 - 1:29:02)
That's a time-sensitive area, so that's why you might see the average time between nine and twelve, because the officer that's assigned that section of town likely goes there right out of the gate.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:02 - 1:29:09)
So those statistics that we had, are those just tickets issued for parking, as opposed to like moving violations, not speeding or

[Speaker 11] (1:29:09 - 1:29:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:09 - 1:29:10)
anything?

[Speaker 2] (1:29:10 - 1:29:19)
Co correct. Yeah, that's correct. So i i and one of the things that we that we learned was uh if I have I have six different supervisors each

[Speaker 1] (1:29:40 - 1:29:53)
That's something that we are discussing with Kelly and Ryan to send us that data weekly. We send that information to Mr Connors, but its it would be good to know exactly where our enforcement has been.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:53 - 1:29:58)
Um and and just extracting this data took me about a week because it's not

[Speaker 2] (1:29:58 - 1:29:59)
Oh, yeah, it's not easy.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:59 - 1:30:01)
it's not an easy process

[Speaker 1] (1:30:02 - 1:30:02)
uh and

[Speaker 3] (1:30:02 - 1:30:03)
That's a good point.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:03 - 1:30:05)
s with our CAD or our dispatch system.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:05 - 1:30:07)
So i it it sounds like you're

[Speaker 4] (1:30:07 - 1:30:15)
Like you're kind of getting to the answer to the question I'm about to ask, but how many different zones do you imagine there being for individual residents if you had to split it up?

[Speaker 5] (1:30:16 - 1:30:16)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:17 - 1:30:17)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:30:17 - 1:30:17)
There

[Speaker 4] (1:30:17 - 1:30:18)
mean, still,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:18 - 1:30:18)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:18 - 1:30:18)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:30:18 - 1:30:19)
I mean, talking about Columbia,

[Speaker 7] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19)
I think if we've

[Speaker 4] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19)
like if

[Speaker 7] (1:30:19 - 1:30:19)
even

[Speaker 4] (1:30:19 - 1:30:20)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:30:20 - 1:30:20)
really

[Speaker 4] (1:30:20 - 1:30:21)
can jump in.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:21 - 1:30:22)
talked about that. Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:22 - 1:30:44)
Yeah, we don't have that answer now and we cannot make an informed recommendation. Now this would fall for me under the same idea that we talked about in my report or that I talked about in my report where we need the professional staff that are closest to it and then also the administration. So Gino and I would be the ones on our side making sure that we come back to you with well-informed recommendations rather than seat of our pants.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:44 - 1:30:46)
for our pants like two four one you know

[Speaker 4] (1:30:46 - 1:30:46)
That's

[Speaker 7] (1:30:46 - 1:30:46)
whatever it

[Speaker 4] (1:30:46 - 1:30:46)
okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:46 - 1:30:46)
is.

[Speaker 8] (1:30:46 - 1:30:47)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:47 - 1:30:50)
That's okay. I just want to ask, just put put the question out there. So it's your it's not

[Speaker 7] (1:30:50 - 1:30:50)
That's

[Speaker 4] (1:30:50 - 1:30:50)
not ready

[Speaker 7] (1:30:50 - 1:30:50)
it.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:50 - 1:30:51)
yet. It's fine.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:51 - 1:30:51)
Right it

[Speaker 4] (1:30:51 - 1:30:51)
Clearly.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:51 - 1:30:58)
it's but it's really the question of universal versus zones and I I feel like we've heard tonight that there's an interest in zones.

[Speaker 8] (1:30:58 - 1:30:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:58 - 1:31:02)
Obviously the select board goal setting meeting was something that I wasn't at so I didn't hear that.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:03 - 1:31:09)
And it this this would be the type of thing that I think where we would benefit from professional staff getting together so it's not

[Speaker 7] (1:31:09 - 1:31:10)
not, you

[Speaker 9] (1:31:10 - 1:31:10)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:10 - 1:31:15)
know, driven by a neighbourhood that's really highly impacted for sh a period of time

[Speaker 1] (1:31:15 - 1:31:15)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:15 - 1:31:20)
being the squeaky wheel and we address that, but we don't think about how it impacts the other parts of the community.

[Speaker 4] (1:31:20 - 1:31:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:31:20 - 1:31:20)
That's right, because

[Speaker 4] (1:31:20 - 1:31:21)
So it's

[Speaker 9] (1:31:21 - 1:31:23)
it does have it's not just police, right, it's fire,

[Speaker 9] (1:31:23 - 1:31:24)
it's D_P_W_ it's there's

[Speaker 4] (1:31:24 - 1:31:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:31:25 - 1:31:28)
a lot of different departments at town hall that could kind of

[Speaker 9] (1:31:28 - 1:31:34)
triage this, right, and create like a meeting group or some type of working group to really

[Speaker 9] (1:31:34 - 1:31:38)
address it and tackle not just this but you know other areas of safety

[Speaker 7] (1:31:38 - 1:31:38)
Even

[Speaker 9] (1:31:38 - 1:31:39)
concerns.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:39 - 1:31:42)
a request like putting speed bumps in somewhere we

[Speaker 9] (1:31:42 - 1:31:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:42 - 1:31:45)
should base off a the mobile speed board not

[Speaker 9] (1:31:45 - 1:31:45)
Safety,

[Speaker 7] (1:31:45 - 1:31:45)
the fact

[Speaker 9] (1:31:45 - 1:31:45)
right.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:45 - 1:32:00)
that Yeah. an individual believes it's let's get a couple of weeks of the mobile data and be able to say you're right or we get three cars in the middle in the morning that are all flying through and we need to make sure there's enforcement and education but the solution may not be.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:59 - 1:32:00)
be a speed bump,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:00 - 1:32:01)
doesn't need I

[Speaker 4] (1:32:01 - 1:32:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:01 - 1:32:07)
just think that if we get into a model where we're more focused on collecting a little bit of data working with staff that are enforcing

[Speaker 9] (1:32:07 - 1:32:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:07 - 1:32:16)
educating or closest to it uh and we come back to you with those types of recommendations it gives everyone a better foundation to make the final decision and that would sort of where

[Speaker 9] (1:32:17 - 1:32:17)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:17 - 1:32:19)
I'm suggesting we go,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:19 - 1:32:23)
it's certainly what we plan to do on Monday with the chiefs and engineering staff on

[Speaker 10] (1:32:23 - 1:32:33)
And let me, from a policy point of view, I think there's a few things that we have to look at this through as you work with professional staff to provide a lens on providing those recommendations.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:34 - 1:32:39)
Looking through the ticket report, I noticed there were, to me, there were really two types of tickets.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:39 - 1:32:41)
There's public safety tickets and there's...

[Speaker 10] (1:32:42 - 1:32:56)
what I'm gonna call annoyance tickets, not moving your out of your two hour spot, somebody without a rec sticker at the beach or at the fish house, whatever. But the fact that we have a t twenty five dollar ticket for the fire lanes at Vernon Square when everybody sees the DoorDash drivers like

[Speaker 9] (1:32:56 - 1:32:56)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:32:56 - 1:32:57)
I saw one tonight

[Speaker 10] (1:32:58 - 1:33:03)
I think we need to I would encourage us to look at uh a model of there's

[Speaker 9] (1:33:03 - 1:33:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:03 - 1:33:07)
two tiers of tickets and somebody on a fire lane should not be getting charged twenty five dollars.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:07 - 1:33:08)
I think we have to have that on the next agenda.

[Speaker 9] (1:33:08 - 1:33:09)
Yep, I

[Speaker 10] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
Agreed.

[Speaker 9] (1:33:09 - 1:33:09)
agree.

[Speaker 12] (1:33:09 - 1:33:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 11] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10)
Because

[Speaker 12] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10)
I think

[Speaker 11] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10)
I think,

[Speaker 12] (1:33:10 - 1:33:10)
that

[Speaker 10] (1:33:10 - 1:33:11)
I we there's

[Speaker 11] (1:33:11 - 1:33:11)
think we're

[Speaker 10] (1:33:11 - 1:33:11)
there's

[Speaker 11] (1:33:11 - 1:33:12)
a little, honestly,

[Speaker 10] (1:33:12 - 1:33:12)
difference.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:12 - 1:33:19)
I think we're a little, when I saw that these tickets were twenty five, I thought, how could these be twenty five? We voted for seventy five.

[Speaker 12] (1:33:19 - 1:33:20)
That's exactly what I want right

[Speaker 11] (1:33:20 - 1:33:20)
How

[Speaker 12] (1:33:20 - 1:33:20)
now.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:20 - 1:33:23)
is this possible? And I really want an understanding.

[Speaker 9] (1:33:23 - 1:33:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:23 - 1:33:25)
of what happened here that

[Speaker 7] (1:33:25 - 1:33:25)
Wha

[Speaker 11] (1:33:25 - 1:33:26)
not that you were on the hook for it,

[Speaker 9] (1:33:26 - 1:33:26)
No.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:26 - 1:33:32)
but but how did we go how did we go from voting for 75 down to 25? And I'd like an answer to that.

[Speaker 9] (1:33:32 - 1:33:33)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:33 - 1:33:38)
But going forward, would we want to use tickets for revenue or for prevention? To me, it's the

[Speaker 11] (1:33:38 - 1:33:38)
It's

[Speaker 10] (1:33:38 - 1:33:38)
answer

[Speaker 11] (1:33:38 - 1:33:39)
prevent for

[Speaker 10] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
is clearly

[Speaker 7] (1:33:39 - 1:33:39)
yes.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:39 - 1:33:40)
prevention.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:40 - 1:33:40)
prevention.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:40 - 1:33:40)
We are not using

[Speaker 11] (1:33:40 - 1:33:41)
Everything

[Speaker 7] (1:33:41 - 1:33:41)
it for is revenue.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:41 - 1:33:41)
prevention.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:41 - 1:33:42)
Agreed.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:42 - 1:33:42)
I don't I don't

[Speaker 10] (1:33:42 - 1:33:42)
Agreed.

[Speaker 11] (1:33:42 - 1:33:43)
care if you leave a note

[Speaker 10] (1:33:43 - 1:33:43)
So if we're doing

[Speaker 11] (1:33:43 - 1:33:44)
on the it door.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:44 - 1:33:44)
for prevention,

[Speaker 10] (1:33:45 - 1:33:48)
then we need to make sure it's excessive enough where $25, at least in my perspective,

[Speaker 10] (1:33:49 - 1:33:51)
is an annoyance. A hundred dollars is

[Speaker 13] (1:33:51 - 1:33:52)
This is exactly

[Speaker 10] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52)
I would think about

[Speaker 13] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52)
the conversation

[Speaker 10] (1:33:52 - 1:33:53)
that twice.

[Speaker 13] (1:33:53 - 1:33:55)
when we raised under $75,

[Speaker 13] (1:33:55 - 1:33:55)
Ted,

[Speaker 13] (1:33:55 - 1:34:03)
because at the beach people were just like, oh, $25 to park here for the day. This is cheaper than any other neighboring beach, so we'll just take the ticket.

[Speaker 13] (1:34:04 - 1:34:11)
That is why they became $75, because then $75 became prohibitive instead of, you know, a parking fee.

[Speaker 13] (1:34:11 - 1:34:13)
So I thought that we just.

[Speaker 13] (1:34:13 - 1:34:14)
just blanket it across.

[Speaker 13] (1:34:14 - 1:34:19)
We'll look back at the meeting. We'll see what the language was. Maybe we've already done this and we just have to catch up with ourselves,

[Speaker 13] (1:34:19 - 1:34:20)
which is unfortunate,

[Speaker 13] (1:34:20 - 1:34:24)
but we can do that. Otherwise, we could put it on the next agenda for August to talk

[Speaker 10] (1:34:24 - 1:34:24)
And

[Speaker 13] (1:34:24 - 1:34:24)
about.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:24 - 1:34:25)
frankly,

[Speaker 10] (1:34:25 - 1:34:29)
I don't think $75 is a big enough ticket if somebody is parking in a fire lane.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:29 - 1:34:31)
Handicap, I think, is already $100 from what I

[Speaker 11] (1:34:31 - 1:34:31)
It

[Speaker 10] (1:34:31 - 1:34:31)
could tell.

[Speaker 11] (1:34:31 - 1:34:32)
is, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:32 - 1:34:34)
I've been told they can raise up to $300 for

[Speaker 10] (1:34:34 - 1:34:35)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:34:35 - 1:34:35)
first

[Speaker 10] (1:34:35 - 1:34:35)
I'm not suggesting

[Speaker 1] (1:34:35 - 1:34:36)
state law.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:36 - 1:34:37)
we need to go to hundreds and hundreds of dollars,

[Speaker 10] (1:34:37 - 1:34:39)
but somebody is parking in a fire lane.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:39 - 1:34:40)
I mean, come on, that's, that's

[Speaker 4] (1:34:40 - 1:34:40)
So

[Speaker 10] (1:34:40 - 1:34:40)
not,

[Speaker 4] (1:34:40 - 1:34:41)
but there's

[Speaker 10] (1:34:41 - 1:34:41)
somebody forgot something.

[Speaker 4] (1:34:41 - 1:34:48)
right well there's a difference between someone's got their blinkers on the running in for two seconds or waiting for somebody as opposed to hard parking and you're gone if

[Speaker 11] (1:34:48 - 1:34:52)
No, I don't think anybody should be in a fire zone to be honest blinkers on or not you shouldn't

[Speaker 4] (1:34:52 - 1:34:52)
you're physically

[Speaker 11] (1:34:52 - 1:34:52)
have

[Speaker 10] (1:34:52 - 1:34:53)
I'll

[Speaker 11] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
that

[Speaker 10] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
leave that judgment

[Speaker 4] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
physically

[Speaker 10] (1:34:53 - 1:34:53)
to

[Speaker 4] (1:34:53 - 1:34:54)
in the

[Speaker 10] (1:34:54 - 1:34:54)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:34:54 - 1:34:54)
car

[Speaker 10] (1:34:54 - 1:34:55)
police officers who are going to make that enforcement

[Speaker 4] (1:34:55 - 1:34:55)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:55 - 1:34:55)
So

[Speaker 10] (1:34:55 - 1:34:56)
decision.

[Speaker 7] (1:34:56 - 1:34:56)
you

[Speaker 11] (1:34:56 - 1:34:56)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:34:56 - 1:34:56)
have to fire

[Speaker 11] (1:34:56 - 1:34:56)
think

[Speaker 7] (1:34:56 - 1:35:03)
I think we're getting into the question that I talked about last week, which is there is significant discretion that is left to them

[Speaker 4] (1:35:03 - 1:35:03)
Yeah

[Speaker 7] (1:35:03 - 1:35:03)
to

[Speaker 11] (1:35:03 - 1:35:04)
Right yeah

[Speaker 7] (1:35:04 - 1:35:05)
decide. Is someone,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:05 - 1:35:06)
did they...

[Speaker 7] (1:35:06 - 1:35:06)
They

[Speaker 13] (1:35:06 - 1:35:06)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:06 - 1:35:09)
asked them to move along, and they refused, if if they were waiting in the car.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:10 - 1:35:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:10 - 1:35:12)
You officers can be pretty And that is left to them by law,

[Speaker 11] (1:35:12 - 1:35:13)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (1:35:13 - 1:35:14)
so I just want to be cognisant of that.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:14 - 1:35:19)
but we as my point is we as a board need to come up with a policy understanding of do we want

[Speaker 7] (1:35:19 - 1:35:19)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:19 - 1:35:22)
public safety tickets to be excessive enough where you think you ensure

[Speaker 7] (1:35:22 - 1:35:23)
Deterrent.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:23 - 1:35:23)
it once and nobody

[Speaker 7] (1:35:23 - 1:35:23)
You want it to be

[Speaker 10] (1:35:23 - 1:35:24)
does it

[Speaker 7] (1:35:24 - 1:35:24)
deterrent.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:24 - 1:35:24)
again?

[Speaker 11] (1:35:24 - 1:35:24)
right.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:24 - 1:35:29)
Right uh and what's that correct dollar amount? To me, it's more than seventy five dollars. 'Cause if I get a hundred dollar ticket, I'm really gonna

[Speaker 4] (1:35:29 - 1:35:30)
But and I think

[Speaker 10] (1:35:30 - 1:35:30)
not that I would, but

[Speaker 4] (1:35:30 - 1:35:31)
and I think

[Speaker 13] (1:35:31 - 1:35:31)
So.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:31 - 1:35:33)
to de to define what you say as a

[Speaker 4] (1:35:32 - 1:35:41)
Say as a nuisance is 25 versus 75 versus 100, my my bigger question would be is that DoorDash driver not calling out DoorDash specifically, but any one of the

[Speaker 10] (1:35:41 - 1:35:41)
Delivery

[Speaker 4] (1:35:41 - 1:35:41)
the

[Speaker 10] (1:35:41 - 1:35:42)
drivers.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:42 - 1:35:42)
delivery drivers,

[Speaker 10] (1:35:42 - 1:35:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:43 - 1:35:48)
you know, are they can you look up, hey, have they received five tickets before and it really is a nuisance or this is

[Speaker 10] (1:35:48 - 1:35:49)
That was.

[Speaker 4] (1:35:49 - 1:35:50)
is that part of the discretion process?

[Speaker 10] (1:35:50 - 1:35:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:51 - 1:35:53)
We can't see that right at the spot of

[Speaker 9] (1:35:53 - 1:35:53)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:53 - 1:35:54)
the time of the infraction,

[Speaker 4] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
I'm just curious.

[Speaker 7] (1:35:54 - 1:36:01)
we can't study it, but face-to-face if that officer is committed to that sector of town and they are working four nights a week at

[Speaker 9] (1:36:01 - 1:36:01)
Probability,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:01 - 1:36:02)
the 4 to 12

[Speaker 9] (1:36:02 - 1:36:02)
I guess.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:02 - 1:36:03)
shift, they

[Speaker 4] (1:36:03 - 1:36:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:03 - 1:36:04)
come across the same person maybe

[Speaker 4] (1:36:04 - 1:36:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:04 - 1:36:05)
two or three times,

[Speaker 7] (1:36:05 - 1:36:06)
it could lead to that.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:06 - 1:36:13)
But is that something we'd be able to find out from our, the ticketing company? Like if somebody gets a ticket five times a year, ten times a year, we could.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:13 - 1:36:16)
Yes, that's something that we could sort and filter through.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:16 - 1:36:17)
I'd be curious of that and

[Speaker 13] (1:36:17 - 1:36:17)
I think.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:17 - 1:36:18)
how many.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:18 - 1:36:19)
How many percentage of people would

[Speaker 1] (1:36:19 - 1:36:19)
It's not simple,

[Speaker 10] (1:36:19 - 1:36:20)
you say?

[Speaker 1] (1:36:20 - 1:36:21)
but we can absolutely

[Speaker 10] (1:36:21 - 1:36:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:21 - 1:36:21)
do that.

[Speaker 7] (1:36:21 - 1:36:22)
I would

[Speaker 13] (1:36:22 - 1:36:22)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:36:22 - 1:36:22)
drink 41.

[Speaker 13] (1:36:22 - 1:36:27)
think the other thing when we talk about tickets being deterrents, so obviously we raised these tickets at the beach,

[Speaker 13] (1:36:27 - 1:36:29)
and if you go back a couple slides,

[Speaker 13] (1:36:29 - 1:36:32)
how many tickets are still being issued at beaches for parking?

[Speaker 4] (1:36:32 - 1:36:33)
I can't tell.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:33 - 1:36:40)
It has gone down because of...

[Speaker 13] (1:36:40 - 1:36:45)
So it has gone down, so at least 75 was obviously more of a deterrent.

[Speaker 13] (1:36:44 - 1:36:45)
of a deterrent than 25.

[Speaker 4] (1:36:45 - 1:36:46)
Less than

[Speaker 13] (1:36:46 - 1:36:46)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:36:46 - 1:36:46)
that.

[Speaker 13] (1:36:46 - 1:36:47)
guess we have to figure out what

[Speaker 13] (1:36:48 - 1:37:04)
the like sort of where we want to get obviously I don't think zero is practicable but it's 41 citations reasonable well I guess Creston Beach there's another you know 23 so when you add it all together you're talking about 64 tickets for the year at the beach

[Speaker 9] (1:37:04 - 1:37:09)
I mean there has to be something at Iseman's. I have to think that lot at Phillips Park has to have,

[Speaker 9] (1:37:09 - 1:37:09)
you

[Speaker 7] (1:37:09 - 1:37:10)
It does have recreation.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:11 - 1:37:12)
right? Is it there

[Speaker 10] (1:37:12 - 1:37:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:12 - 1:37:12)
a

[Speaker 7] (1:37:12 - 1:37:13)
But what's different

[Speaker 10] (1:37:13 - 1:37:13)
That's a kids'

[Speaker 7] (1:37:13 - 1:37:13)
is

[Speaker 10] (1:37:13 - 1:37:14)
cove thing.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:13 - 1:37:14)
thing.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:14 - 1:37:18)
The Phillips Beach Park area has a white sign underneath it that says $75 fine.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:18 - 1:37:22)
You don't see that at Preston and you don't see that at Iseman's.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:22 - 1:37:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:22 - 1:37:23)
Is fishermen's

[Speaker 13] (1:37:23 - 1:37:23)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:23 - 1:37:24)
is a $25 fine.

[Speaker 7] (1:37:24 - 1:37:25)
Correct, 25.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:25 - 1:37:34)
So I think that you have to also consider the equity of having a $25 fine for fishermen's beach versus a $75 fine for Phillips or Preston or Iseman's or whatever.

[Speaker 11] (1:37:34 - 1:37:34)
As chief,

[Speaker 13] (1:37:34 - 1:37:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:37:35 - 1:37:42)
I just want to be really clear here, and I'd like to let you know some of the complaints that I've had from people.

[Speaker 11] (1:37:43 - 1:37:45)
We had a resident on...

[Speaker 11] (1:37:46 - 1:37:48)
Um, Cedar, what is it, Cedar?

[Speaker 4] (1:37:48 - 1:37:48)
Cedar

[Speaker 11] (1:37:48 - 1:37:48)
Cedar Hill

[Speaker 4] (1:37:48 - 1:37:49)
Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 14] (1:37:49 - 1:37:49)
Terrace.

[Speaker 11] (1:37:49 - 1:37:50)
Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 11] (1:37:50 - 1:37:57)
Who, it took him a year and a half to get any type of movement to have some parking,

[Speaker 11] (1:37:58 - 1:38:00)
some focus on the parking issue there.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:01 - 1:38:04)
And it wasn't until he contacted the select board,

[Speaker 11] (1:38:04 - 1:38:08)
it was a year and a half to collect the select board, did we start to get something going.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:08 - 1:38:10)
We have people, businesses,

[Speaker 11] (1:38:10 - 1:38:17)
that are significant taxpayers on Humphrey Street that are constantly complaining. I get constant calls.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:17 - 1:38:31)
of the lack of parking enforcement on Humphrey Street and if you say well we wrote 58 citations on Humphrey Street over six months that's 2.37 tickets a week

[Speaker 1] (1:38:32 - 1:38:34)
So this is enforcement measures only.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:34 - 1:38:39)
So it doesn't count the number of times that we've been out on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:39 - 1:38:42)
And I think that came out to, it was in the hundreds.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:42 - 1:38:46)
So just because it's not like, oh, we're here, we're giving you a ticket,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:46 - 1:38:47)
a parking ticket,

[Speaker 1] (1:38:47 - 1:38:56)
that's where I have to collect the enforcement measures versus our total calls for service for that particular street.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:56 - 1:38:58)
That's why I said extracting this data.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:58 - 1:38:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:58 - 1:38:59)
Folks is not very simple,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:00 - 1:39:05)
but in looking at Humphrey, there was over 100 incidents.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:05 - 1:39:11)
There may have been more, but there was over 100 incidents where we responded out there,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:11 - 1:39:13)
not necessarily given a citation,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:13 - 1:39:14)
and I have not heard.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:19)
I have not received any information from any of our officers about these,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:19 - 1:39:23)
even Cedar Hill Terrace. So I would just implore anyone.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:25 - 1:39:31)
I understand the bureaucracy that a resident might feel because it's not just the police,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:31 - 1:39:36)
it's DPW with the signage, it is select board approval,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:36 - 1:39:41)
there's in terms of making sure that hey if there's an issue that they're seeing.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:42 - 1:39:46)
That needs to be communicated and not just to any select board members,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:47 - 1:39:54)
but to us who are trying to keep this data and trying to understand all the issues.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:54 - 1:39:55)
And so again,

[Speaker 1] (1:39:55 - 1:40:03)
just because these are enforcement measures doesn't mean that's the total number of times that we were out there for half the year.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:04 - 1:40:05)
So,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:05 - 1:40:26)
hold on, let me just finish here. I think that the re reality here is we have to deal with a lot of complaints and at one point it was following we had a Saturday meeting and I had a request from a resident to request that Ingalls Terrace become resident parking because it was just

[Speaker 2] (1:40:27 - 1:40:47)
overfilled with so many cars up there so and Katie had asked me because I brought it I brought it to the attention of the board to get it onto the agenda if I would just double check the signs which I did I went up and double check the signs and the road was packed on both sides you you could barely even get up there the roads packed with cars

[Speaker 2] (1:40:48 - 1:40:50)
And it says no parking everywhere,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:50 - 1:40:51)
but the road's packed with cars,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:51 - 1:40:52)
parking,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:52 - 1:40:53)
and then as I'm leaving,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:54 - 1:40:55)
a friend of mine called me and said,

[Speaker 2] (1:40:55 - 1:41:00)
can I park in your driveway because there's no parking at Fisherman's Beach.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:00 - 1:41:00)
I'm like,

[Speaker 2] (1:41:00 - 1:41:01)
that's ridiculous.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:01 - 1:41:09)
And I drove into Fisherman's parking and I counted 17 cars with no stickers.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:10 - 1:41:22)
So in the middle of a Saturday afternoon, I really have to question are we really out ticketing or do we just have a lot of crime on that Saturday afternoon that the Police Department had to be out dealing with crime.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:23 - 1:41:29)
So I think you need to, I just want to make sure you understand we get a lot of calls, a lot of complaints,

[Speaker 2] (1:41:29 - 1:41:31)
and if I say just call the Police Department,

[Speaker 2] (1:41:31 - 1:41:34)
the answer is I'm not calling the Police Department.

[Speaker 2] (1:41:35 - 1:41:35)
so

[Speaker 3] (1:41:35 - 1:41:40)
Yeah, I just want to reiterate Marianne's last point, which is the communication piece.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:40 - 1:41:51)
Like generally when folks are reaching out to me, they've already reached out or tried to figure out an avenue to reach out, whether it's to see it, click it, fix it. Like they don't want to call 911.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:51 - 1:41:54)
They want to call the non-emergency line or something like that.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:55 - 1:42:01)
So if there is a better way for the community to be communicating these kinds of issues so that they get resolved faster,

[Speaker 3] (1:42:02 - 1:42:11)
it would be great if we could communicate that to the community because I think some areas are feeling a little exacerbated by,

[Speaker 3] (1:42:11 - 1:42:13)
I mean exhausted sorry,

[Speaker 3] (1:42:13 - 1:42:14)
by the

[Speaker 3] (1:42:16 - 1:42:17)
by the inability action

[Speaker 4] (1:42:18 - 1:42:41)
Well one of the things that I'm noticing I mean parking has been the thing that has kept my hair up like on the back of my neck since I moved to town it drives me nuts especially when I had my my youngest or my oldest when I had Jack and I would love to go to Cafe Abuelino on Humphrey Street and I would drive down and the same car would be outside so many times for like five hours and it would be the middle of the winter and I'd be like I can't do this I have to go find somewhere else because I'd have a stroller and

[Speaker 4] (1:42:42 - 1:42:49)
diaper bags and all the crazy kids stuff that you have but the board now I think has spent more time talking about parking since Wayne

[Speaker 2] (1:42:49 - 1:42:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:49 - 1:42:49)
Yeah

[Speaker 4] (1:42:49 - 1:42:56)
and I have been on it than since I've moved to town so I think to me that reflects a single

[Speaker 4] (1:42:56 - 1:43:01)
focus that parking is a priority for us, not only for enforcement,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:01 - 1:43:07)
but I hope for continued conversations about how we can look to improve parking not only enforcement,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:07 - 1:43:08)
management,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:08 - 1:43:11)
access, and opportunities throughout town.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:11 - 1:43:12)
So I say that because

[Speaker 4] (1:43:13 - 1:43:29)
You know to Mary Ellen's point I've gotten you know people I had a shop owner on Humphrey Street tell me she went out to sell somebody parking in a spot for more than two hours and they were just getting something from their car that you know it's two hour parking and she got flipped off and they went into their work which was another business on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:30 - 1:43:35)
I bring that up because people get frustrated and they just feel like it's not going to change.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:35 - 1:43:39)
So I appreciate you putting the paperwork together and I think this is helpful.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:40 - 1:43:44)
I think we're going to, it sounds like we're going to have a discussion about fine schedules,

[Speaker 1] (1:43:44 - 1:43:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:44 - 1:43:46)
which I think is important,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:46 - 1:43:47)
but I also,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:47 - 1:43:57)
I know you guys are hearing our focus on parking the last few meetings and I hope we're going to continue the conversations on it because we have a 2018 report from MAPC highlighting

[Speaker 4] (1:43:59 - 1:44:23)
abilities for us to manage parking but also to look at new parking solutions on Humphrey Street that I continue to bring up because I think it's important for us to think about what we need to do to expand parking on Humphreys in the Humphrey Street area and manage it better and I'm going to grab the third rail and maybe that means having a conversation about parking meters or parking apps or something of that nature so that we can assist parking management with some ancillary tools that will help give

[Speaker 4] (1:44:23 - 1:44:30)
data, and that will help with enforcement. So I'm hoping that might be something we can consider over the next several months,

[Speaker 4] (1:44:31 - 1:44:32)
exploring at least the idea

[Speaker 1] (1:44:32 - 1:44:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:32 - 1:44:32)
of that.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:32 - 1:44:33)
I second that.

[Speaker 1] (1:44:34 - 1:44:37)
I want to add just add a couple things.

[Speaker 4] (1:44:38 - 1:44:55)
I mentioned before about markings, right, and defining physical location of the sidewalks. The other part about defining the different pieces is whether or not we get more efficiency if we actually mark the spaces as opposed in certain high density areas so that you don't have cars kind of

[Speaker 4] (1:44:57 - 1:45:04)
inefficiently parking where you could've gotten two or more cars in that particular spot. Is that something that makes sense?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:04 - 1:45:19)
by your recommendation for your longer conversations. Uh another question I have is uh drawing towards directly to the Swampscott depot. Um so you said that you had a hundred and five hundred and five citations.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:20 - 1:45:25)
You said a lot of those are from mostly outside, out-of-towners coming in for

[Speaker 1] (1:45:25 - 1:45:25)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:25 - 1:45:26)
the most part.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:26 - 1:45:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:26 - 1:45:35)
Yeah, that goes back to why not park at the depot and get a $25 ticket rather than parking in Boston and having to pay for parking for $75

[Speaker 5] (1:45:35 - 1:45:36)
Totally understand.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:36 - 1:45:36)
or

[Speaker 5] (1:45:36 - 1:45:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:36 - 1:45:37)
so.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:37 - 1:45:42)
One of my other questions is are they avoiding the MBTA parking area so they aren't... Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:42 - 1:45:45)
So there could be open spots in the MBTA parking zone.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:46 - 1:45:48)
where they would actually be able to pay,

[Speaker 5] (1:45:48 - 1:45:51)
but instead they're parking on a resident parking area.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:51 - 1:45:51)
I, that's

[Speaker 6] (1:45:51 - 1:45:51)
No,

[Speaker 5] (1:45:51 - 1:45:51)
Is that

[Speaker 6] (1:45:51 - 1:45:51)
I don't

[Speaker 5] (1:45:51 - 1:45:52)
th th

[Speaker 6] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
think that's a pretty good point.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:52 - 1:45:52)
Cool.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:52 - 1:45:53)
does it? Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:45:53 - 1:45:54)
I was gonna say that's filled by eight

[Speaker 5] (1:45:54 - 1:45:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:55 - 1:45:55)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:45:55 - 1:45:55)
totally.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:55 - 1:46:01)
and those are paid by app, so Keolis comes through in the morning and they scan the plates that are there and verify the

[Speaker 4] (1:46:01 - 1:46:02)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (1:46:02 - 1:46:02)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:02 - 1:46:02)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:02 - 1:46:02)
sorry, sorry.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:02 - 1:46:04)
that was I just wanted to clarify that, yeah, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:07 - 1:46:09)
Okay, so I think we have some clear takeaways,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:09 - 1:46:11)
chiefly appreciate all the data.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:11 - 1:46:20)
I think we would like to understand the ticket situation and why we're not at $75 across the town,

[Speaker 4] (1:46:20 - 1:46:20)
At least.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:21 - 1:46:22)
at least.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:22 - 1:46:22)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:22 - 1:46:25)
I know that the select board passed a motion.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:25 - 1:46:31)
So whether the motion was faulty or whether we haven't gotten to the motion yet is the question at hand I think I have, Marilyn has.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:32 - 1:46:34)
We can always come back next meeting and we'll have to get,

[Speaker 3] (1:46:34 - 1:46:37)
we would like to have.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:37 - 1:47:02)
an understanding on standardizing ticketing across and whether it should be increased for a reduction in violations so I think that's the first one and then the parking zones is something obviously that's going to need to be well prepared and researched so I think that's a little bit more maybe in a fall

[Speaker 3] (1:47:02 - 1:47:28)
conversation but we would I'd like to see some work started on that so that we can actually have that conversation substantively in you know early fall and then at the same time in that conversation if we need to we should address Wayne's commentary about if certain high density areas that don't currently have outlined spaces need to have outline or should have outlined spaces to help with some of the parking.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:29 - 1:47:32)
um so missing anything yeah

[Speaker 7] (1:47:32 - 1:47:38)
No, but we probably should, I think it is already on it, but convening a working group of town hall staff

[Speaker 5] (1:47:38 - 1:47:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:39 - 1:47:39)
yeah

[Speaker 5] (1:47:39 - 1:47:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:39 - 1:47:42)
that will focus on this issue.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:43 - 1:47:47)
and we we used to have a we used to have a traffic committee

[Speaker 5] (1:47:47 - 1:47:47)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:47:47 - 1:47:48)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (1:47:48 - 1:47:49)
I was about to ask that. Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:49 - 1:47:49)
No.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:49 - 1:47:53)
not suggesting we have it because while it had its

[Speaker 3] (1:47:54 - 1:48:01)
It certainly had its pluses. It often held meetings in the middle of weekdays. And so therefore,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:01 - 1:48:02)
it was not well attended.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:02 - 1:48:04)
And, you know, I think it was under engaged.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:05 - 1:48:15)
And it sort of missed some real like black holes of town that really needed help and because people weren't most vocal.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:16 - 1:48:18)
They sort of fell through the cracks,

[Speaker 3] (1:48:18 - 1:48:30)
but I mean maybe we should think about what the best path forward is. At the very least we should have an asset at the police department who could be reached for safety matters like this.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:30 - 1:48:30)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:48:30 - 1:48:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:30 - 1:48:38)
and Katie, I will mention two quick things. One, I think the concept of parking meters is something we should continue to just...

[Speaker 4] (1:48:39 - 1:48:41)
have as a concept to explore,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:41 - 1:48:43)
but also that parking committee,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:43 - 1:48:44)
while inconvenient,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:44 - 1:48:50)
when I first moved to town, I had a huge issue with people speeding on my street, so I called my neighbour, who happened to be Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:50 - 1:48:53)
who put me in touch with their parking committee, and I think Officer Rean,

[Speaker 2] (1:48:53 - 1:48:53)
Mm-hmm,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:53 - 1:48:57)
and they helped put that speed board up, which figured out the speed limit

[Speaker 2] (1:48:57 - 1:48:57)
mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:57 - 1:48:59)
average there on Puritan was like

[Speaker 4] (1:48:59 - 1:49:03)
34 miles an hour in a 20 or something crazy. Anyway, it helped fix the

[Speaker 7] (1:49:03 - 1:49:03)
We

[Speaker 4] (1:49:03 - 1:49:03)
problem.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:03 - 1:49:04)
used to throw tennis balls at them

[Speaker 3] (1:49:04 - 1:49:04)
We

[Speaker 7] (1:49:04 - 1:49:05)
tough.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:05 - 1:49:05)
still

[Speaker 4] (1:49:05 - 1:49:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:49:05 - 1:49:08)
have that on Reddington in Salem and many other streets too.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:08 - 1:49:09)
But that committee was very helpful.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:10 - 1:49:10)
So I'll give them a plug.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:10 - 1:49:14)
I just don't know necessarily that committee needs to be convened for it. I think there are probably

[Speaker 2] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
I don't

[Speaker 3] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
some

[Speaker 2] (1:49:14 - 1:49:15)
disagree.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:15 - 1:49:16)
capable town staff and

[Speaker 2] (1:49:16 - 1:49:16)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:16 - 1:49:20)
safety staff that could probably facilitate some of that within

[Speaker 2] (1:49:20 - 1:49:20)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:20 - 1:49:27)
the scope of their job title rather than trying to get citizens to all agree in neighborhoods they don't live in what the problems are and the solutions.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:28 - 1:49:28)
Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:30 - 1:49:32)
Okay, so thank you, Chief,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:32 - 1:49:43)
very much. Thank you for coming and participating, and we will move on to the next agenda item when I find my agenda,

[Speaker 3] (1:49:43 - 1:49:50)
which is discussion of possible vote on recycling and solid waste service contract and fees.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:54 - 1:49:55)
Thank you chief lieutenants, new

[Speaker 4] (1:49:55 - 1:49:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:55 - 1:49:57)
lieutenants, congrats again and thank

[Speaker 3] (1:49:57 - 1:49:57)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (1:49:57 - 1:49:57)
you.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:57 - 1:49:58)
thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:02 - 1:50:03)
I love new these new lieutenants.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:10)
Can you go on the website and see the message

[Speaker 1] (1:50:10 - 1:50:11)
Yeah, it's live.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:11 - 1:50:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:11 - 1:50:12)
So will it be recorded?

[Speaker 1] (1:50:12 - 1:50:13)
Yep,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:13 - 1:50:13)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:13 - 1:50:13)
it

[Speaker 4] (1:50:13 - 1:50:14)
it'll be is. recorded and posted. Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:14 - 1:50:15)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:16 - 1:50:16)
You can find it on YouTube,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:17 - 1:50:17)
town

[Speaker 2] (1:50:17 - 1:50:17)
You

[Speaker 4] (1:50:17 - 1:50:17)
channel.

[Speaker 2] (1:50:17 - 1:50:18)
can stay if you want though.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:20 - 1:50:21)
Yeah, I hear it.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:23 - 1:50:28)
So just wanted to give a brief update uh before we move into your deliberation. Um

[Speaker 4] (1:50:30 - 1:50:44)
As you may have seen, we have a few variable message boards up in town now, in addition to a postcard that should be landing this week for folks to be noticed that the deliveries will be starting next week.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:44 - 1:50:45)
Just to run through what these slides are,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:46 - 1:50:47)
it's an update on the delivery and start date.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:47 - 1:50:51)
It's the request for additional carts, how we're doing that as a reminder,

[Speaker 4] (1:50:51 - 1:50:55)
and then we'll move into your discussion in greater detail that you will be having.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:56 - 1:51:01)
Updated on both the delivery of the carts for recycling and service,

[Speaker 4] (1:51:01 - 1:51:02)
everything moved back one week.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:03 - 1:51:14)
When we were last here we were talking about the 20th and the 27th as delivery and starting dates. It's now the week of the 27th, which is next Monday. The barrels will arrive in town. They'll begin being distributed on Tuesday.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:15 - 1:51:16)
In addition,

[Speaker 4] (1:51:16 - 1:51:21)
the automated pickup for both trash and recycling will begin the following Monday and it'll be on your normal day.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:22 - 1:51:47)
uh outside your your property uh again service we we anticipate there will be some bumps in the learning curve but the service will be the same they'll be at the end of your driveway picking up your trash uh and recycling so we are looking forward to that uh on the requesting additional carts we have the form live uh listed here at swanscottma.gov slash trash you can also come into town hall fill out a piece of paper we did that at

[Speaker 4] (1:51:48 - 1:51:56)
Uh the Senior Centre as well, and Sabrina has some additional uh forms uh on site for folks that come that might have an interest.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:56 - 1:52:13)
There's limited inventory, as we've talked about a number of times. The initial goal with this limited inventory is to make sure we can support primarily seniors and those with mobility challenges. Once we get a real sense of what the universe looks like, uh we have the ability to order more carts, but we did not want to have an inventory of carts that would never be deployed.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:13 - 1:52:13)
to be deployed.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:14 - 1:52:22)
We wanted to keep this manageable to begin with and then take the temperature and get a better sense for what that demand was like before we order any more.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:23 - 1:52:30)
The final bullet is just to sort of tee up your discussion and I'm going to turn it over to Wayne after this. We have a couple slides that he had put together.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:31 - 1:52:35)
This is just to sort of highlight the discussion two weeks ago.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:36 - 1:52:39)
The range that you all were in for that extra barrel was

[Speaker 4] (1:52:40 - 1:52:56)
I think at the very end, Mary Ellen, you had boiled it down to it's between 150 and 200 when we come back so that we could sort of narrow the conversation. And then the recycling was approximately w one hundred. It was a little over with the math, but in terms of the discussion about what was appropriate, I think you guys were

[Speaker 4] (1:52:58 - 1:52:58)
coming

[Speaker 2] (1:52:58 - 1:52:59)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:52:59 - 1:53:00)
together around a hundred dollars somewhere.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:00 - 1:53:04)
so so last time last two weeks ago when we talked um

[Speaker 6] (1:53:05 - 1:53:08)
So I I should really apologise. I wish I wish I had done this for that

[Speaker 4] (1:53:08 - 1:53:09)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:09 - 1:53:10)
for that conversation.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:10 - 1:53:11)
You don't mind me doing this?

[Speaker 1] (1:53:12 - 1:53:13)
I can see.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:13 - 1:53:13)
Alright.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:15 - 1:53:15)
Thanks, Chief.

[Speaker 2] (1:53:15 - 1:53:16)
That would have been awesome.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:16 - 1:53:17)
I thought he was leaving it with me.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:19 - 1:53:32)
Um I wish I'd had something to present to the rest of the board so that we weren't just talking orally and trying to throw numbers out. It it it was unfair to the rest of the board to be able to have a to

[Speaker 6] (1:53:33 - 1:53:48)
to to force that conversation in in the way we did. So I felt it important to kind of um you know in just a full transparency, both of course to my colleagues on the board, but also to the general public to kinda understand where these numbers are coming from, so that at least we can

[Speaker 6] (1:53:49 - 1:53:59)
have fair deliberation as to wherever we we come out. So on the first um slide here, um, I had created a trash cart

[Speaker 6] (1:54:00 - 1:54:07)
The calculator, and I threw in s th kind of two different scenarios and also compared it to when we started the programme in F_Y_ twenty one.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:09 - 1:54:25)
So what we're looking at is um just the service costs and the hauling fees you can see have gone up tremendously from four hundred fifty one thousand to six hundred nine. Um we have the same amount of uh uh municipal resident pickups. Um the tonnage however um is significantly different.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:26 - 1:54:32)
we have gone down. That is in direct reflection of the changes that we made back in 2020

[Speaker 6] (1:54:33 - 1:54:37)
and you can see the average pounds per household per week.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:37 - 1:54:43)
Also compared in 2021 or FY21 to FY27.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:44 - 1:54:50)
So if we look at what the per resident trash service costs, including for transportation,

[Speaker 6] (1:54:51 - 1:54:51)
including fuel,

[Speaker 6] (1:54:51 - 1:54:56)
is currently in this contract $122 per resident.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:57 - 1:54:59)
Back years ago, it was $88.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:00 - 1:55:17)
Right? Big increase. Um and then we then we take a consideration of, you know, let's say we have a heavy load versus a light load. So now these numbers are taken as arranged, there's no perfect answer for it, but this is for orders of magnitude so that you understand kind of where we're coming from.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:18 - 1:55:29)
So that two hundred and two hundred fifty number, that's pounds per cubic yard, but what that translates into for a thirty five gallon cart is either forty pounds or fifty pounds, right.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:29 - 1:55:36)
Forty pounds is a pretty reasonable number when you're just kind of lightly loading but not pushing down and compacting.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:36 - 1:55:42)
One of the concerns um that I have uh is that folks that are

[Speaker 6] (1:55:42 - 1:55:58)
using the folks that will be using the extra cart are generally using more than one bag and will if it was me right I would be pushing everything I possibly can into that which means you're going to be slightly more compacted meaning you're going to be hitting towards the 50 pound zone

[Speaker 6] (1:56:00 - 1:56:06)
So if we look at the tipping fees per ton, you see how much those go up, and if you look at the max weight per household,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:06 - 1:56:12)
you come up with the numbers of 132, 165, and of course it was originally 121.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:13 - 1:56:16)
So if we just look at

[Speaker 6] (1:56:17 - 1:56:26)
just tipping weight alone. You're looking on the light side of $145 and on the heavy side $178.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:26 - 1:56:28)
Now what does that actually cost per ton?

[Speaker 6] (1:56:29 - 1:56:31)
The service cost not per resident but per ton.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:31 - 1:56:35)
Just to give you an indication of how much that changed from 2021.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:36 - 1:56:41)
The surface cost per ton was $128 and now $203. And that's reflective also,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:41 - 1:56:46)
you can see that the per resident trash service cost up like the fifth line down up at the top.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:46 - 1:56:48)
So you can see how much those have changed.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:49 - 1:56:56)
And I'm not necessarily advocating that we address the service costs and charge

[Speaker 6] (1:56:57 - 1:56:58)
towards that.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:58 - 1:57:03)
But what I will say is that we've had six years of history where we have done it. And this is where I want to show you on the next slide.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:04 - 1:57:06)
The next slide talks about the blue overage bags.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:06 - 1:57:07)
Wait, before you go to the next slide,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:07 - 1:57:08)
Yes please.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:08 - 1:57:16)
just to be clear that the service cost for hauling, because your current service, so the hauling cost is

[Speaker 6] (1:57:16 - 1:57:17)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:17 - 1:57:19)
$203 and the

[Speaker 6] (1:57:19 - 1:57:22)
That's $609,000 divided by the amount of tons.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:22 - 1:57:24)
tipping cost

[Speaker 7] (1:57:25 - 1:57:27)
For a ton is what,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:27 - 1:57:28)
$129 would you say it

[Speaker 6] (1:57:28 - 1:57:28)
$126

[Speaker 7] (1:57:28 - 1:57:29)
was?

[Speaker 6] (1:57:29 - 1:57:29)
this

[Speaker 7] (1:57:29 - 1:57:29)
$126.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:29 - 1:57:30)
year.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:30 - 1:57:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:57:31 - 1:57:35)
Okay, just want to make sure everybody remembers there's two fees attached to trash hauling and tipping.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:36 - 1:57:37)
But this is again,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:37 - 1:57:40)
this is not actual, this is assumption,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:40 - 1:57:40)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:57:41 - 1:57:44)
Because you're assuming how much each barrel is going to weigh.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:44 - 1:57:47)
You're assuming it's going to be 40 or 50 pounds,

[Speaker 1] (1:57:47 - 1:57:47)
right?

[Speaker 6] (1:57:48 - 1:57:49)
I think that's a reasonable assumption to make.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:50 - 1:58:00)
Eight percent eight p in the cert in this let me just give you some of this the facts of the some of the information So we found in 2023 the respondents to the survey,

[Speaker 6] (1:58:00 - 1:58:00)
which was well

[Speaker 6] (1:58:01 - 1:58:03)
we had a good size of the population

[Speaker 1] (1:58:03 - 1:58:07)
Okay, let's start right there. How many people responded to your survey?

[Speaker 6] (1:58:07 - 1:58:08)
nine over nine hundred fifty people

[Speaker 1] (1:58:10 - 1:58:11)
Fifteen thousand people in the

[Speaker 6] (1:58:11 - 1:58:11)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:11 - 1:58:11)
community.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:11 - 1:58:12)
residents.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:12 - 1:58:14)
Okay, fifty one hundred residents so

[Speaker 6] (1:58:14 - 1:58:16)
Out of fifty one, yeah, that's that's just under twenty percent.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:17 - 1:58:18)
That's that's a pretty statistically good number.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:19 - 1:58:19)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (1:58:19 - 1:58:19)
And

[Speaker 1] (1:58:19 - 1:58:20)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:20 - 1:58:21)
and we found we found that eight

[Speaker 1] (1:58:21 - 1:58:21)
Twenty

[Speaker 6] (1:58:21 - 1:58:22)
percent.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:22 - 1:58:22)
percent.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:22 - 1:58:25)
That's a statistically high number from a survey's perspective.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:25 - 1:58:26)
According to you,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:26 - 1:58:27)
right?

[Speaker 6] (1:58:27 - 1:58:29)
According to most survey people,

[Speaker 6] (1:58:29 - 1:58:29)
you know.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:31 - 1:58:33)
The range of error is pretty small.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:33 - 1:58:35)
We're talking about just general perspective of

[Speaker 1] (1:58:35 - 1:58:36)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:36 - 1:58:36)
magnitude.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:36 - 1:58:42)
So 8% used bags every week, one or more bags every week.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:42 - 1:58:44)
According to the people that responded to you.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:44 - 1:58:44)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:44 - 1:58:45)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:45 - 1:58:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:45 - 1:58:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:46 - 1:58:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:46 - 1:58:48)
But you don't know how much those bags weighed.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:49 - 1:58:51)
You're assuming they're going to weigh 40 or 50 pounds.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:52 - 1:58:53)
I'm assuming that...

[Speaker 3] (1:58:53 - 1:58:57)
So you're assuming 40 or 50 tons of waste in blue bags.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:58 - 1:58:58)
Right, no

[Speaker 3] (1:58:58 - 1:58:58)
wait.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:58 - 1:59:04)
no 40 was let's go back for a second wait repeat your question Katie sorry

[Speaker 1] (1:59:04 - 1:59:05)
Sorry, so I can answer correctly.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:06 - 1:59:09)
The 40 or 50 that Danielle is referring to,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:09 - 1:59:11)
can you confirm what you were saying with that?

[Speaker 3] (1:59:11 - 1:59:12)
projected capacity

[Speaker 1] (1:59:12 - 1:59:22)
That would be the projected capacity of a 35 gallon barrel based upon known densities of trash at the high limit is 250 It just depends how much you can pack it down

[Speaker 2] (1:59:22 - 1:59:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:23 - 1:59:24)
I think that's where my issue is.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:24 - 1:59:27)
It's, while I don't disagree with Danielle,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:27 - 1:59:28)
like there are some other,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:29 - 1:59:31)
we're doing the best we can with the data we have.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:31 - 1:59:32)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:32 - 1:59:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:32 - 1:59:38)
But I think the supposition that a typical person is going to pack in as much trash as possible,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:38 - 1:59:44)
I don't think is actually logical. I think when I think about my street, which is full of families,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:44 - 1:59:47)
a lot of families with kids, a lot of kids who are in diapers,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:47 - 1:59:50)
they are taking their diaper bag and putting in one barrel.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:50 - 1:59:54)
And then that is the one bag like they need overflow from time to time, right,

[Speaker 1] (1:59:54 - 1:59:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:54 - 1:59:58)
when they change out the diaper genie, and they got to take that bag out. So that

[Speaker 2] (1:59:58 - 1:59:59)
So that's their overflow bag.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:59 - 2:00:05)
It's consistent pretty much for five years until the kids get or four years until their kids get out of diapers.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:06 - 2:00:06)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (2:00:06 - 2:00:06)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:00:06 - 2:00:06)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:06 - 2:00:11)
I don't think we are just like finding random trash and shoving it in and making,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:11 - 2:00:14)
you know, a certain making it all fit.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:15 - 2:00:16)
Because we have an extra barrel.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:16 - 2:00:25)
I think that barrel is utilized for, you know, maybe every week when you are changing the diaper bag or that extra one bag of trash.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:25 - 2:00:26)
You know,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:26 - 2:00:41)
I don't, I agree that your survey produced results that said 8% of people at Swanscott are using one bag every week, but I don't think the nuance of bringing on a new barrel is going to mean predictably those 8% are going to be.

[Speaker 2] (2:00:41 - 2:01:05)
filling it to the max so while I agree there's like a margin of error to account for I don't think we should jump all the way to the ceiling I don't think we should be at the floor because it's not cost intelligent but I also don't think we should be jumping to the ceiling because that makes it a punishment to get an extra barrel because if you're not the person who's filling it to the brim then you're paying for

[Speaker 2] (2:01:06 - 2:01:09)
luxury you don't have you're not actually getting or utilizing

[Speaker 1] (2:01:10 - 2:01:11)
That

[Speaker 4] (2:01:12 - 2:01:17)
What – okay, help me understand if we propose

[Speaker 4] (2:01:18 - 2:01:30)
a second cart annual fee of $145 – I'm just going to round all of these up to the nearest dollar – what is the worst-case scenario if everybody who gets a second cart uses it?

[Speaker 4] (2:01:31 - 2:01:37)
at the full capacity or at median capacity or higher. Like what is the what's the cost?

[Speaker 4] (2:01:38 - 2:01:41)
What's the worst thing that's gonna happen to the town if that happens? Help

[Speaker 1] (2:01:41 - 2:01:42)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:01:42 - 2:01:45)
like help me walk through what what's our con what's the what's

[Speaker 5] (2:01:45 - 2:01:49)
Well, you're gonna have a higher tipping you'll have higher tipping um

[Speaker 4] (2:01:49 - 2:01:50)
So we'll as assume

[Speaker 1] (2:01:50 - 2:01:50)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:50 - 2:01:52)
unaccounted for costs.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:52 - 2:01:52)
Correct

[Speaker 1] (2:01:53 - 2:01:58)
It will, there's also the issue that anyone using, needing a second barrel, okay, let me back up for a second.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:58 - 2:02:01)
The average user uses let's say a half,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:01 - 2:02:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:01 - 2:02:02)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:02 - 2:02:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:02 - 2:02:06)
An extra user will not only use the full amount of the of the

[Speaker 4] (2:02:06 - 2:02:06)
The

[Speaker 1] (2:02:06 - 2:02:06)
first

[Speaker 4] (2:02:06 - 2:02:07)
barrel in,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:07 - 2:02:07)
one,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:07 - 2:02:07)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:07 - 2:02:16)
but likelihood most of the second one, okay. So the impact is more than just assuming that you're compacting the second barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:16 - 2:02:19)
So if you're using two bags, you're definitely compacting. If you're using one bag, the ca

[Speaker 1] (2:02:19 - 2:02:28)
Back to Katie's scenario. She's ho She's totally right. This is not a hundred percent science, but we we need to do is is you're charging for capacity. If you only need

[Speaker 2] (2:02:28 - 2:02:32)
But aren't you just replacing the blue bags with this fee? I mean, if

[Speaker 1] (2:02:32 - 2:02:32)
No, somebody no.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:32 - 2:02:33)
is going out and buying

[Speaker 4] (2:02:33 - 2:02:33)
I'm more

[Speaker 2] (2:02:33 - 2:02:33)
blue

[Speaker 4] (2:02:33 - 2:02:33)
in a

[Speaker 2] (2:02:33 - 2:02:37)
bags right now, you're already making drawing revenue for the blue bags.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:37 - 2:02:37)
It's So

[Speaker 2] (2:02:37 - 2:02:39)
this is happening in eight percent of households.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:39 - 2:02:41)
People are buying blue bags. We're already

[Speaker 1] (2:02:42 - 2:02:42)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:02:42 - 2:02:46)
doing that. So you're just simply taking that blue bag cost.

[Speaker 2] (2:02:46 - 2:02:50)
adding it on top of the barrel rental and then they're

[Speaker 1] (2:02:50 - 2:02:50)
Actually,

[Speaker 2] (2:02:50 - 2:02:52)
paying it in a different form.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:52 - 2:02:52)
hold on, Katie.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:52 - 2:02:59)
Actually what happens is that the blue bags have a much less weight capacity, and for two reasons. One,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:59 - 2:03:00)
it's a plastic bag.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:00 - 2:03:01)
But two,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:01 - 2:03:03)
it's 30 gallons on 35 gallons.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:03 - 2:03:09)
And the other thing is you can compact a lot more into...

[Speaker 1] (2:03:09 - 2:03:14)
a large bin than you would into a bag that's going to explode, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:03:14 - 2:03:14)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:03:14 - 2:03:15)
And I,

[Speaker 2] (2:03:15 - 2:03:18)
you're assuming that your thought process is how every consumer is consuming,

[Speaker 2] (2:03:18 - 2:03:20)
but I'm saying I don't agree.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:20 - 2:03:21)
I don't align.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:21 - 2:03:23)
People are either going to buy the blue bags or they're going to buy the barrel.

[Speaker 2] (2:03:24 - 2:03:32)
They're going to utilize the same amount of trash. I really don't think that we're going to get an influx of people being like trash happy because they have a barrel to put

[Speaker 1] (2:03:32 - 2:03:33)
Let me go to

[Speaker 2] (2:03:33 - 2:03:33)
it

[Speaker 1] (2:03:33 - 2:03:34)
the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:35 - 2:03:36)
If I

[Speaker 5] (2:03:36 - 2:03:37)
Nick, did you have Just a question? before you go to the next slide,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:37 - 2:03:38)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (2:03:38 - 2:03:39)
I do think

[Speaker 1] (2:03:39 - 2:03:39)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:03:39 - 2:03:40)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:03:40 - 2:03:41)
want to address Katie's question.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:41 - 2:03:41)
Hold on.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:41 - 2:03:43)
But I do think that...

[Speaker 5] (2:03:44 - 2:03:50)
There is a very serious possibility people will get a little trash happy or a little bit more relaxed in what they do, but

[Speaker 4] (2:03:50 - 2:03:51)
I'm going to tell you I'm 100%

[Speaker 5] (2:03:51 - 2:03:56)
because I was going to say I think Ted is sitting at the edge of his seat getting ready to get another barrel

[Speaker 4] (2:03:56 - 2:03:57)
I still have diapers.

[Speaker 5] (2:03:57 - 2:03:57)
to get trash

[Speaker 4] (2:03:57 - 2:03:57)
I still

[Speaker 5] (2:03:57 - 2:03:57)
happy.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:57 - 2:03:58)
have to survive

[Speaker 5] (2:03:58 - 2:03:58)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:03:58 - 2:03:58)
for

[Speaker 6] (2:03:58 - 2:03:58)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:03:58 - 2:03:58)
three days.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:58 - 2:03:59)
want to see

[Speaker 5] (2:03:59 - 2:03:59)
that's why

[Speaker 6] (2:03:59 - 2:04:00)
Ted come back with the trash

[Speaker 5] (2:04:00 - 2:04:01)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:04:01 - 2:04:01)
barrels.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:01 - 2:04:10)
that's why I I just feel that if we could if we have a bag if we if we say we're bags are going to be what bags are 350 I

[Speaker 1] (2:04:10 - 2:04:10)
Let's

[Speaker 5] (2:04:10 - 2:04:10)
don't remember

[Speaker 1] (2:04:10 - 2:04:11)
go let's go to that

[Speaker 1] (2:04:10 - 2:04:12)
Let's go to the next slide, please.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:14 - 2:04:15)
I don't know who's controlling.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:15 - 2:04:16)
Can I can I just add the one thing

[Speaker 5] (2:04:16 - 2:04:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:16 - 2:04:17)
that to answer

[Speaker 5] (2:04:17 - 2:04:17)
No.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:17 - 2:04:18)
we

[Speaker 6] (2:04:18 - 2:04:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:18 - 2:04:19)
I'm only kidding.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:19 - 2:04:20)
I was kidding.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:20 - 2:04:20)
I'm only kidding.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:21 - 2:04:24)
are only doing this to replace the blue bags.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:24 - 2:04:24)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:24 - 2:04:28)
We would not be doing this if they were like yeah we can pick it up with the arm.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:28 - 2:04:28)
They

[Speaker 2] (2:04:28 - 2:04:28)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:28 - 2:04:30)
would say people, so I just want

[Speaker 5] (2:04:30 - 2:04:30)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:04:30 - 2:04:30)
to address

[Speaker 5] (2:04:30 - 2:04:31)
So the

[Speaker 7] (2:04:31 - 2:04:31)
that directly.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:31 - 2:04:31)
It's

[Speaker 7] (2:04:31 - 2:04:32)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:04:32 - 2:04:32)
fill only traffic

[Speaker 7] (2:04:32 - 2:04:32)
reason that

[Speaker 2] (2:04:32 - 2:04:32)
reversal

[Speaker 7] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
we're having this

[Speaker 2] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
line

[Speaker 7] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
discussion.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:33 - 2:04:38)
with the trash policy that we put in place, if we allow people to get another cart,

[Speaker 2] (2:04:38 - 2:04:44)
the reason we're allowing people for another cart is because the automation is a cost savings.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:47 - 2:04:55)
Right. So and that's why I'm saying if you just take the one blue bag and say instead of getting a blue bag, just get an extra bin.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:56 - 2:04:58)
That comes out to $180 a year.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:58 - 2:04:59)
No, it doesn't.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:59 - 2:05:01)
At 350 it does. Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
Well, but

[Speaker 7] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
i

[Speaker 7] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
But

[Speaker 6] (2:05:01 - 2:05:01)
th

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:02)
we're getting ahead.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:02 - 2:05:03)
at the we're old rate.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:03 - 2:05:04)
getting ahead of the presentation.

[Speaker 6] (2:05:04 - 2:05:06)
All right, here we go, I'm I'll

[Speaker 1] (2:05:06 - 2:05:10)
Okay. Just give me another few minutes to roll with this. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:10 - 2:05:13)
So the bags and the cost of the bags in FY21,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:13 - 2:05:15)
$3, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:05:15 - 2:05:22)
We took home the offset after you took away the cost of the actual bags and the tipping.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:22 - 2:05:32)
We were charging the resident an extra dollar that we applied toward service costs and to the fund, the enterprise fund.

[Speaker 2] (2:05:32 - 2:05:35)
So one dollar for every blue bag went into the tax.

[Speaker 5] (2:05:35 - 2:05:37)
Hauling. Went into hauling.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:37 - 2:05:37)
Went

[Speaker 5] (2:05:37 - 2:05:38)
Went

[Speaker 1] (2:05:38 - 2:05:38)
into

[Speaker 5] (2:05:38 - 2:05:38)
into hauling.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:38 - 2:05:40)
the enterprise fund, yeah, to offset hauling.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:41 - 2:05:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:41 - 2:05:43)
And I raise this point only

[Speaker 7] (2:05:43 - 2:05:43)
The

[Speaker 1] (2:05:43 - 2:05:43)
it

[Speaker 7] (2:05:43 - 2:05:46)
enterprise fund is the total cost. It is not hauling only.

[Speaker 6] (2:05:47 - 2:05:47)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:47 - 2:05:49)
And it's a total cost of the contract that we subsidize

[Speaker 1] (2:05:49 - 2:05:50)
It is, it

[Speaker 7] (2:05:50 - 2:05:50)
annually.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:50 - 2:05:54)
is, it is. It went into the enterprise fund, but because the tipping,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:54 - 2:05:59)
this is backing out the tipping charge, so what we're saying is we had an excess of $1.08 per bag back in 2021.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:00 - 2:06:05)
That slowly degraded as tipping fees raised and the cost of the bags raised a couple of cents. So today.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:06 - 2:06:12)
if we were using the same heavier load as, let's say, you're at 35 pounds at 80 percent capacity,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:12 - 2:06:16)
okay, and or even even at a light capacity,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:16 - 2:06:17)
right,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:17 - 2:06:19)
your your excess reduced.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:20 - 2:06:31)
So we're losing we're degraded the the revenue piece of the bags as the years have gone forward. There are 40 to 45 thousand bags per year.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:32 - 2:06:39)
So what we saw in FY21, if we had $43,000 that was supplementing the service costs,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:39 - 2:06:43)
we're down now to somewhere between $34,000 and $16,000.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:43 - 2:06:43)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:06:43 - 2:06:43)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:06:43 - 2:06:50)
just to recognize that there's a revenue aspect of what we would be losing if we lose 20,000 bags because people are getting carts.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:51 - 2:06:57)
So you're saying with this that we were actually making money off the cost of the blue bags. Is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 1] (2:06:57 - 2:06:58)
It was being applied,

[Speaker 1] (2:06:58 - 2:07:03)
yeah, it's being applied to the fund. It wasn't going to general government. It was going directly back to offset the rest of the cost

[Speaker 5] (2:07:03 - 2:07:03)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:07:03 - 2:07:03)
of the still, trash.

[Speaker 5] (2:07:03 - 2:07:15)
I mean, my intent is not to make any money off of the trash. It just isn't. I don't, I didn't even realise we were actually creating a cushion from blue bags.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:15 - 2:07:15)
Is

[Speaker 5] (2:07:15 - 2:07:16)
I it I thought it was.

[Speaker 1] (2:07:16 - 2:07:17)
I don't I wouldn't

[Speaker 6] (2:07:17 - 2:07:17)
How could

[Speaker 1] (2:07:17 - 2:07:18)
use that word.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
that word

[Speaker 6] (2:07:18 - 2:07:18)
have a question

[Speaker 7] (2:07:18 - 2:07:19)
a cushion at all.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:19 - 2:07:19)
I think

[Speaker 7] (2:07:19 - 2:07:19)
Not at all.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:19 - 2:07:25)
the question is, is it your intent to have other people subsidize your additional trash?

[Speaker 6] (2:07:26 - 2:07:26)
At what point,

[Speaker 5] (2:07:26 - 2:07:27)
No,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27)
I don't mean to hurt

[Speaker 5] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27)
no,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:27 - 2:07:27)
you.

[Speaker 5] (2:07:27 - 2:07:28)
Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
don't

[Speaker 5] (2:07:28 - 2:07:28)
why I

[Speaker 6] (2:07:28 - 2:07:29)
mean...

[Speaker 5] (2:07:29 - 2:07:31)
would be buying the barrel to subsidize my own trash.

[Speaker 5] (2:07:31 - 2:07:33)
I don't see how that makes you subsidize it when

[Speaker 6] (2:07:33 - 2:07:34)
If...

[Speaker 5] (2:07:34 - 2:07:35)
I'm paying for it.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:35 - 2:07:39)
Hold on, isn't there a pro, and I'm looking to the two technical people,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:39 - 2:07:40)
Nick and, well,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:40 - 2:07:42)
I guess Mary, anybody who understands this.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:43 - 2:07:53)
The difference there, the dollar and eight cents, that means that two uh I'm sorry, a dollar ninety two cents paid for the cot the the weight of the actual trash in the bag. Is that right? And that's the differ and the cost

[Speaker 1] (2:07:53 - 2:07:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:53 - 2:07:55)
of the actual production of the plastic.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:56 - 2:07:58)
And there's a dollar and eight cents left over after that,

[Speaker 4] (2:07:58 - 2:07:58)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:07:58 - 2:07:58)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:07:59 - 2:07:59)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:59 - 2:07:59)
but or

[Speaker 4] (2:07:59 - 2:08:03)
Now does that dollar and eight do we have an incremental increase in our

[Speaker 4] (2:08:04 - 2:08:11)
fees for somebody picking up the second bag that they would we would not have assumed that fee if the bag was not

[Speaker 1] (2:08:11 - 2:08:11)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:08:11 - 2:08:11)
there

[Speaker 1] (2:08:11 - 2:08:12)
back in 2021,

[Speaker 1] (2:08:13 - 2:08:29)
we had smaller, I believe we had smaller trucks and I believe at the time I wasn't a part of the select board who made the fees at the time, but I believe the understanding was that you would make that up as it was built into the cost.

[Speaker 1] (2:08:30 - 2:08:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:08:30 - 2:08:32)
of the total operation.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:32 - 2:08:32)
All I know

[Speaker 5] (2:08:32 - 2:08:33)
This

[Speaker 4] (2:08:33 - 2:08:33)
is

[Speaker 5] (2:08:33 - 2:08:33)
is an

[Speaker 4] (2:08:33 - 2:08:36)
the lens that I'm looking at this through. I don't want to make money and I don't want to lose money on these.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:36 - 2:08:37)
I just

[Speaker 6] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
I think want that's everybody.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
to be

[Speaker 2] (2:08:37 - 2:08:38)
Right. I think that's the driving

[Speaker 4] (2:08:38 - 2:08:39)
Just

[Speaker 6] (2:08:39 - 2:08:39)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:39 - 2:08:39)
principle.

[Speaker 4] (2:08:39 - 2:08:39)
there.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:39 - 2:08:40)
You want to find

[Speaker 6] (2:08:40 - 2:08:40)
The past

[Speaker 2] (2:08:40 - 2:08:41)
that sweet spot

[Speaker 6] (2:08:41 - 2:08:41)
six years

[Speaker 2] (2:08:41 - 2:08:46)
where you are managing the trash via the contract. You don't want to lose money,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:47 - 2:08:47)
right?

[Speaker 2] (2:08:47 - 2:08:49)
I agree with you. There's definitely a floor here.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:49 - 2:08:52)
And if 148 or 150 is the floor,

[Speaker 2] (2:08:52 - 2:08:53)
great.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:53 - 2:08:57)
The ceiling of 200 if that's...

[Speaker 2] (2:08:57 - 2:08:59)
Putting extra money to

[Speaker 2] (2:09:03 - 2:09:04)
That's fine.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:04 - 2:09:09)
But is there a marginal increase in the tipping cost or is that locked in for the duration of the contract?

[Speaker 2] (2:09:09 - 2:09:10)
Like, does

[Speaker 3] (2:09:10 - 2:09:10)
Five

[Speaker 2] (2:09:10 - 2:09:11)
it not?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:11 - 2:09:11)
percent per year.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:11 - 2:09:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:12 - 2:09:15)
But it's locked in. We know the cost in the next three fiscal

[Speaker 4] (2:09:15 - 2:09:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:15 - 2:09:15)
years.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:15 - 2:09:16)
Yeah, very good.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:16 - 2:09:18)
Yep. So this rate would effectively go up.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:19 - 2:09:20)
5% per year.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:20 - 2:09:23)
And then how does the gas fee go into that too?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:23 - 2:09:24)
It's included here.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:25 - 2:09:26)
Based upon estimates that we

[Speaker 5] (2:09:26 - 2:09:26)
That's

[Speaker 3] (2:09:26 - 2:09:27)
had.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:27 - 2:09:29)
just fluctuation in the hauling, right?

[Speaker 6] (2:09:30 - 2:09:35)
Yeah, it's basically there's either an expense or a rebate based on how far it is from the

[Speaker 3] (2:09:35 - 2:09:36)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 6] (2:09:36 - 2:09:36)
pegged.

[Speaker 6] (2:09:37 - 2:09:38)
I think that's the simplest way to describe it, right, Wayne?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:39 - 2:09:39)
is.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:39 - 2:09:43)
But if you look at where I talk about over-users contribution to the waste system.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:44 - 2:09:58)
five between 553 and almost 700 tons by the overage users if you look at 40,000 bags based upon the weight in those potential bags it's not an exact science not an exact no no

[Speaker 3] (2:09:59 - 2:10:03)
that's an 80% full okay that is

[Speaker 3] (2:10:04 - 2:10:12)
Just an order of magnitude so you can understand how much extra waste goes into the system by the users of the second bags.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:13 - 2:10:14)
It's just it's

[Speaker 1] (2:10:14 - 2:10:14)
Is there an inability to,

[Speaker 5] (2:10:14 - 2:10:16)
This is so full of assumption.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:16 - 2:10:17)
This is...

[Speaker 1] (2:10:17 - 2:10:17)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:17 - 2:10:20)
so I want to ask this question, Nick.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:20 - 2:10:28)
Is there an ability after six months to reevaluate and to increase the fee if we determine we're not drawing enough to cover the amount of...

[Speaker 1] (2:10:29 - 2:10:31)
tonnage that occurred in the last six months if

[Speaker 6] (2:10:31 - 2:10:32)
I mean,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:32 - 2:10:33)
we were undercharging.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:33 - 2:10:35)
I think we could.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:35 - 2:10:38)
It's not a practice that we should be engaging in because it doesn't

[Speaker 1] (2:10:38 - 2:10:38)
Of

[Speaker 6] (2:10:38 - 2:10:38)
provide.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:38 - 2:10:41)
course not, but considering this is our first time doing this,

[Speaker 1] (2:10:42 - 2:10:42)
it Is like

[Speaker 2] (2:10:42 - 2:10:42)
it an

[Speaker 1] (2:10:42 - 2:10:42)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:10:42 - 2:10:43)
annual fee that we're

[Speaker 1] (2:10:43 - 2:10:44)
talking don't want

[Speaker 2] (2:10:44 - 2:10:44)
about?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:44 - 2:10:45)
to overcharge

[Speaker 2] (2:10:45 - 2:10:46)
So at the end of the year, we can change the fee.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:46 - 2:10:46)
You could.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:48 - 2:10:51)
I would love to know what Nick's recommendation is.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:52 - 2:10:54)
I would love to know what you think we should be doing here.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
Hathi.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:57 - 2:10:58)
Yeah. I wanna know.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:58 - 2:11:04)
I I think I've alluded to this, but it's the lower end of the range that w that you all have talked about.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:04 - 2:11:05)
Do you think that

[Speaker 5] (2:11:05 - 2:11:05)
And why?

[Speaker 2] (2:11:05 - 2:11:07)
effectively

[Speaker 6] (2:11:07 - 2:11:15)
It's a it forty pounds per week, which is the number that is on one of these slides, it's just over a ton.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
The

[Speaker 5] (2:11:15 - 2:11:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:16 - 2:11:19)
ton is $126.45 to tip.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:19 - 2:11:22)
So your recommendation is just pay the,

[Speaker 5] (2:11:22 - 2:11:26)
you're just paying, your recommendation is for the people that are using more, just pay tipping.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:28 - 2:11:31)
My recommendation is that they pay for the tipping that is being added

[Speaker 3] (2:11:31 - 2:11:32)
The capacity.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:32 - 2:11:33)
to the system. Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:33 - 2:11:33)
I mean.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:33 - 2:11:34)
Plus the

[Speaker 1] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
Because

[Speaker 2] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
cost of

[Speaker 1] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
holiday

[Speaker 2] (2:11:34 - 2:11:34)
collection.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:34 - 2:11:36)
is already included in the tax, in our non-tax.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:36 - 2:11:37)
No, so like.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:39 - 2:11:42)
This gets to the idea that Wayne identified,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:42 - 2:11:44)
which is the philosophical

[Speaker 6] (2:11:45 - 2:11:46)
way of how you want to look at this.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:47 - 2:11:50)
For me, the service is already paid for.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:50 - 2:11:56)
It's paid for 609 is should be divided by fifty one hundred not by the tonnage to get the cost of

[Speaker 2] (2:11:56 - 2:11:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:57 - 2:11:57)
Yep. Which we showed

[Speaker 6] (2:11:57 - 2:11:57)
serving

[Speaker 3] (2:11:57 - 2:11:58)
as one.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:58 - 2:11:58)
as

[Speaker 3] (2:11:58 - 2:11:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:58 - 2:11:59)
an example.

[Speaker 2] (2:11:59 - 2:11:59)
So that's

[Speaker 6] (2:11:59 - 2:12:13)
But it it 126. forty five a ton plus a barrel a portion of the barrel because someone may leave and I don't think that a person should be responsible for the barrel in year one if they don't live here for the whole like they're paying for a portion of it will they have it.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:14 - 2:12:17)
That gets you to one thirty eight.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:17 - 2:12:18)
840, what, you know, like

[Speaker 5] (2:12:19 - 2:12:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:19 - 2:12:26)
So, and I think there there certainly is a value to understanding that whether it's fuel that is going to fluctuate, right now it's above the peg rate,

[Speaker 6] (2:12:26 - 2:12:32)
but in the projections we put together for town meeting we assume that it would stay above because of what's going on in the Middle East.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:32 - 2:12:34)
Right, and we use those projections uh for this.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:34 - 2:12:40)
Right. So I c my recommendation would be at the lower end at that 150, 155, you know, five sum.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:41 - 2:12:42)
I just, it

[Speaker 5] (2:12:42 - 2:12:43)
But

[Speaker 6] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
is

[Speaker 5] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
a

[Speaker 5] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
so

[Speaker 6] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
ton

[Speaker 5] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
cheap.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:43 - 2:12:45)
of waste plus.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:45 - 2:12:52)
That 5100 that service fee, the cost that we're paying for somebody to go to everybody's houses,

[Speaker 2] (2:12:52 - 2:12:53)
that's divided by 5100 houses.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:54 - 2:12:54)
Right

[Speaker 2] (2:12:54 - 2:12:54)
Regardless

[Speaker 1] (2:12:54 - 2:12:55)
we already did

[Speaker 2] (2:12:55 - 2:12:56)
of two barrels or one barrel,

[Speaker 3] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:56 - 2:12:56)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:56 - 2:12:57)
there's no change.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
Yes, they're still going.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:58 - 2:12:59)
That's correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:59 - 2:12:59)
There's no That's change.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:59 - 2:13:00)
the $122 number

[Speaker 6] (2:13:00 - 2:13:01)
That's to get

[Speaker 3] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
per...

[Speaker 6] (2:13:01 - 2:13:03)
to your driveway or sidewalk

[Speaker 3] (2:13:03 - 2:13:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:03 - 2:13:03)
or You're going

[Speaker 6] (2:13:03 - 2:13:03)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:13:03 - 2:13:04)
to front keep it.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:04 - 2:13:04)
of your house.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:04 - 2:13:07)
No matter what, if I've got nine trash bags or one.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:07 - 2:13:08)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:08 - 2:13:08)
Yep

[Speaker 2] (2:13:08 - 2:13:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:09 - 2:13:11)
No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:11 - 2:13:15)
Now because if you have now trash bags, if you're saying no

[Speaker 2] (2:13:15 - 2:13:16)
Let me rephrase that if I have not two trash

[Speaker 5] (2:13:16 - 2:13:17)
bags,

[Speaker 2] (2:13:17 - 2:13:17)
barrels

[Speaker 5] (2:13:17 - 2:13:17)
if

[Speaker 1] (2:13:17 - 2:13:17)
It's

[Speaker 2] (2:13:17 - 2:13:17)
or

[Speaker 1] (2:13:17 - 2:13:18)
you're going to

[Speaker 2] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
one

[Speaker 1] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
be charged

[Speaker 2] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
trash

[Speaker 5] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
but

[Speaker 2] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
barrel

[Speaker 5] (2:13:18 - 2:13:28)
so now but we're saying so now if you want to have a policy and say okay you just have to pay the tipping fee then that means the price on these bags has to come down.

[Speaker 1] (2:13:31 - 2:13:34)
Well, you're not going to have the bag. Are we still going to have the bags?

[Speaker 5] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
Of course,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
there's

[Speaker 2] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
you

[Speaker 5] (2:13:34 - 2:13:34)
well,

[Speaker 2] (2:13:34 - 2:13:35)
you still have to have the bags.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:35 - 2:13:36)
you know, there are people

[Speaker 6] (2:13:36 - 2:13:36)
They're

[Speaker 5] (2:13:36 - 2:13:36)
that,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:36 - 2:13:38)
available for episodic use. The idea

[Speaker 5] (2:13:38 - 2:13:38)
right,

[Speaker 6] (2:13:38 - 2:13:39)
is that a barrel is

[Speaker 5] (2:13:39 - 2:13:39)
some

[Speaker 6] (2:13:39 - 2:13:39)
for habitual

[Speaker 5] (2:13:39 - 2:13:39)
people use

[Speaker 6] (2:13:39 - 2:13:39)
user.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:39 - 2:13:40)
once a month maybe,

[Speaker 1] (2:13:40 - 2:13:41)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (2:13:41 - 2:13:41)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:13:41 - 2:13:41)
got it.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:41 - 2:13:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:41 - 2:13:41)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:41 - 2:13:42)
In some six months.

[Speaker 5] (2:13:42 - 2:13:46)
The problem that I have with Nick's position,

[Speaker 5] (2:13:46 - 2:13:48)
I respect it. I mean, not that you're a taxpayer here,

[Speaker 5] (2:13:49 - 2:13:57)
but I still respect it, is the fact that if you're using more of the service and you're putting out more trash,

[Speaker 5] (2:13:58 - 2:14:08)
I think that you should be paying, you should be taking part of the burden of what it costs to haul that. If you're a heavier user, then that should be rolled into your user fee. Now, th

[Speaker 1] (2:14:08 - 2:14:09)
I mean, should

[Speaker 5] (2:14:09 - 2:14:09)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:14:09 - 2:14:09)
skiers

[Speaker 5] (2:14:09 - 2:14:10)
problem

[Speaker 1] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
have

[Speaker 2] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
Some

[Speaker 5] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
and,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
to pay

[Speaker 5] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
um

[Speaker 2] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
costs

[Speaker 1] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
for the if acreage?

[Speaker 2] (2:14:10 - 2:14:10)
though.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:10 - 2:14:11)
you can,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:11 - 2:14:11)
Oh, I think

[Speaker 5] (2:14:11 - 2:14:20)
if you let me finish what I'm saying. No, trash and school, I don't put them in the same category, Katie. But I think when you're using a service,

[Speaker 5] (2:14:21 - 2:14:24)
you should pay your portion of the service.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:24 - 2:14:33)
It should be divided out. That's what I'm saying. I think the issue here is we have a question of what is the fair number to have it divided out.

[Speaker 8] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
But I

[Speaker 6] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
I

[Speaker 8] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
the point

[Speaker 6] (2:14:34 - 2:14:35)
would if

[Speaker 8] (2:14:35 - 2:14:35)
of

[Speaker 6] (2:14:35 - 2:14:47)
I could just risk I agree the average user right now is two-thirds of a ton so if we're saying someone that needs that is already have a user we're asking them to pay more

[Speaker 6] (2:14:47 - 2:14:48)
That's what we're doing.

[Speaker 5] (2:14:48 - 2:14:49)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:49 - 2:14:50)
We're asking them to pay

[Speaker 5] (2:14:50 - 2:14:50)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:50 - 2:14:51)
for

[Speaker 5] (2:14:51 - 2:14:51)
But the second

[Speaker 6] (2:14:51 - 2:14:51)
the for

[Speaker 5] (2:14:51 - 2:14:52)
barrel's

[Speaker 6] (2:14:52 - 2:14:52)
the

[Speaker 5] (2:14:52 - 2:14:52)
only added three.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:52 - 2:14:52)
capacity.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:52 - 2:14:53)
Fifty five dollars.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:53 - 2:14:55)
And we're assuming that they're going to put

[Speaker 6] (2:14:56 - 2:15:01)
40 pounds a week, which is bags close to failure stuffed

[Speaker 5] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:01 - 2:15:02)
into the trash barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:15:02 - 2:15:02)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:15:03 - 2:15:06)
I mean, we're not asking for a second barrel for free.

[Speaker 5] (2:15:06 - 2:15:14)
We're asking to pay $150 roughly for a second barrel. So I don't know how that would be interpreted as not.

[Speaker 5] (2:15:15 - 2:15:31)
paying extra for any extra usage. I'm simply saying let's not gouge people and punitively punish them because they are asking for a second barrel. So we're gonna charge them for it, and then hit them with an extra fee because we assume they're gonna stuff fifty pounds into that barrel.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:32 - 2:15:38)
The service fee, if we assume that if that's a sunk cost, it's a fixed cost regardless of how many barrels we're doing.

[Speaker 2] (2:15:40 - 2:15:48)
What is the financial reason to charge for their contributions to that even though it's fixed or sunk?

[Speaker 5] (2:15:49 - 2:16:04)
Well because you're going to offset the hauling overall and there's two things here is if you're already on a blue bag if you're already historically charging and you're saying that even the price on the blue bag isn't isn't enough to cover

[Speaker 5] (2:16:05 - 2:16:17)
percentage of the hauling, how do you turn around and say okay here's a b here's a bin for one fifty, but you keep paying more the person who's buying the bag is having to pay more. So

[Speaker 2] (2:16:18 - 2:16:18)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:18 - 2:16:18)
But you're already

[Speaker 2] (2:16:18 - 2:16:19)
I c

[Speaker 5] (2:16:19 - 2:16:26)
making a dollar on the bag off of the person that's buying it. So how can you logistically make them pay even more? I I I'm don't saying w

[Speaker 2] (2:16:26 - 2:16:27)
With the lower bag

[Speaker 5] (2:16:27 - 2:16:27)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (2:16:27 - 2:16:27)
cost.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:27 - 2:16:28)
saying you gotta lower it.

[Speaker 5] (2:16:29 - 2:16:32)
Well you said you got to raise it. He was raising

[Speaker 3] (2:16:32 - 2:16:32)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:16:32 - 2:16:32)
the cost

[Speaker 3] (2:16:32 - 2:16:36)
said, if you can hit the next slide, like one more.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:36 - 2:16:37)
Okay, so last

[Speaker 6] (2:16:37 - 2:16:37)
Sorry.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:37 - 2:16:39)
week we had proposed 350.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:40 - 2:16:47)
I had proposed 350. And the reason for that is that if you're staying consistent relative to FY21. Now, if you want to change that policy,

[Speaker 3] (2:16:47 - 2:16:48)
I...

[Speaker 3] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
what's

[Speaker 3] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
fine.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:50 - 2:16:57)
the what's the can you explain the philosophy of being consistent to 21 I like expand on that a little bit

[Speaker 3] (2:16:58 - 2:16:59)
So, right,

[Speaker 3] (2:16:59 - 2:17:00)
in FY21,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:00 - 2:17:08)
you can see the results of the numbers. What I was, you know, if we were contributing roughly a dollar to back into the system,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:08 - 2:17:09)
okay?

[Speaker 1] (2:17:10 - 2:17:13)
Oh, you meant the off bag per bag off

[Speaker 3] (2:17:13 - 2:17:13)
Off

[Speaker 1] (2:17:13 - 2:17:13)
-site storage

[Speaker 3] (2:17:13 - 2:17:13)
set.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:13 - 2:17:14)
town service

[Speaker 3] (2:17:14 - 2:17:14)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:14 - 2:17:14)
cost.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:14 - 2:17:15)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:15 - 2:17:19)
You wanted to increase that to get as much out of the blue bag user that we didn't get anyone.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:19 - 2:17:32)
And also to also you don't want to be you don't want to be there's another piece of this. You don't want to be changing the bags every year because there are serious management issues with trying to do that because they get sold to retailers.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:32 - 2:17:34)
It's a real pain in the butt.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:35 - 2:17:38)
So just like we had them at $3 that lasted for six years,

[Speaker 9] (2:17:39 - 2:17:41)
you know our cost overall went up significantly.

[Speaker 9] (2:17:41 - 2:17:50)
That's why I think it's not unreasonable to go up to $3.50 to cover ourselves moving for the next five years in this contract.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:51 - 2:18:06)
I mean I will say this I think if you're talking about the blue bag being a hindrance to the service right the service is meant to be automated so a person getting out of the car and throwing the bag over every once in a while is fine but a constant bag user is a problem then

[Speaker 3] (2:18:06 - 2:18:06)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:06 - 2:18:13)
just as the parking fee you want to make that fee higher so people don't buy the blue bags and people just buy the extra barrel

[Speaker 5] (2:18:15 - 2:18:23)
But Mariel, you were just saying to lower the cost of the blue bag, were you not? What I'm saying well, if if you're saying just charge people tipping all right, if you're just saying

[Speaker 2] (2:18:23 - 2:18:23)
That's

[Speaker 5] (2:18:23 - 2:18:24)
just charge

[Speaker 2] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24)
what we want.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:24 - 2:18:29)
people tipping fee Then you have to say what is the average weight of a bag and

[Speaker 9] (2:18:29 - 2:18:30)
And being consistent.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:30 - 2:18:31)
and and that's

[Speaker 2] (2:18:31 - 2:18:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:18:32 - 2:18:32)
But the same tipping

[Speaker 2] (2:18:32 - 2:18:32)
I think the same

[Speaker 5] (2:18:32 - 2:18:32)
fee

[Speaker 2] (2:18:32 - 2:18:32)
framework.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:32 - 2:18:39)
so Yeah. maybe drop you have to drop that too and I think if we do that We're we're gonna take a hit on our overall dollar amount

[Speaker 5] (2:18:39 - 2:18:41)
But shouldn't we logistically drop the fee?

[Speaker 5] (2:18:41 - 2:18:50)
anyway because we're making money off of people buying blue bags. And we, that's not the goal. The goal is to break even or as close to break even as possible.

[Speaker 5] (2:18:50 - 2:18:53)
So if we're making a dollar eight on every three

[Speaker 9] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
We

[Speaker 5] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
dollar

[Speaker 9] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
were,

[Speaker 5] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
blue bag.

[Speaker 9] (2:18:53 - 2:18:54)
we're making like 42.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:54 - 2:18:55)
We're making like 42 cents now at this point.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:55 - 2:18:58)
so what does this say then? This says a dollar eight.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:58 - 2:18:59)
That was

[Speaker 2] (2:18:59 - 2:19:00)
That was F_Y_ twenty one, when we first started

[Speaker 3] (2:19:00 - 2:19:01)
twenty one.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
the program.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:01 - 2:19:01)
So if. F_ We_Y_

[Speaker 2] (2:19:01 - 2:19:02)
first started

[Speaker 1] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
twenty one

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:02)
the program.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:02 - 2:19:03)
we were making a dollar eight.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:04 - 2:19:07)
off every blue bag we sold over the course of six years.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:07 - 2:19:08)
At the heaviest amount,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:08 - 2:19:09)
right? It was actually,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:09 - 2:19:10)
yeah, if it was a little

[Speaker 1] (2:19:10 - 2:19:10)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:19:10 - 2:19:10)
bit I'm less

[Speaker 1] (2:19:10 - 2:19:10)
saying

[Speaker 2] (2:19:10 - 2:19:11)
than.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:11 - 2:19:13)
I'm not in it to make any money off of anybody,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:13 - 2:19:14)
right,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:14 - 2:19:17)
or make people pay any more than they have to pay,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:17 - 2:19:25)
right? This is a convenience we're rolling out to people that were marginalized because we gave them a dinky barrel that couldn't fit anything five years ago,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:25 - 2:19:25)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:19:26 - 2:19:29)
The goal here was to make them pay for a second barrel,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:29 - 2:19:30)
absolutely, because

[Speaker 1] (2:19:30 - 2:19:32)
as they should if they're using more trash,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:32 - 2:19:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:32 - 2:19:39)
but not to make them pay so much that it's punitive because they might use an extra bag a week or whatever.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:39 - 2:19:40)
Yeah, I w I I

[Speaker 1] (2:19:40 - 2:19:41)
I don't don't know,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:41 - 2:19:46)
think a dollar I don't I don't think a dollar is punitive necessarily, I think it contributed back into the into the full system

[Speaker 1] (2:19:46 - 2:19:46)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:19:46 - 2:19:55)
of, but of the high cost of trash. Now, if you wanted if you wanted if you want to look at the next five years though, we'll be getting underwater.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:56 - 2:19:57)
At that point.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:57 - 2:19:59)
How do you know that, Wayne?

[Speaker 2] (2:19:59 - 2:20:02)
Because you're going to go up 5% every year. You're going to be up 25%.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:03 - 2:20:07)
But you're also assuming people are going to put 40 pounds in a barrel,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:07 - 2:20:08)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:08 - 2:20:09)
You don't know that either.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:10 - 2:20:11)
We're making massive assumptions here.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:11 - 2:20:12)
You make a

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
You

[Speaker 2] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
note

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
can't

[Speaker 2] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
note.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:13)
do these numbers.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:13 - 2:20:20)
There's a known assumption that the first barrel where most people would have maybe 20 pounds or 22 pounds, the first barrel is going to be full.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:20 - 2:20:24)
People pack it in. People that use blue bags are packing in their their

[Speaker 1] (2:20:24 - 2:20:27)
Dwayne, I use blue bags and I don't pack it in. Okay?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:27 - 2:20:30)
I'm going to tell you right now, so you can't

[Speaker 4] (2:20:30 - 2:20:30)
Well

[Speaker 1] (2:20:30 - 2:20:37)
say that every single person using a blue bag is absolutely going to pack 40 or 50 pounds in a second. I can't be convinced, I've seen it on my street,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:37 - 2:20:38)
like,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:38 - 2:20:40)
you know, you might have one bag.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:41 - 2:20:42)
I just,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:42 - 2:20:49)
I can't justify charging people that much extra, because you think they're going to cram as much as humanly possible in a barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:49 - 2:20:50)
Could I make

[Speaker 1] (2:20:50 - 2:20:50)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:20:50 - 2:20:50)
a suggestion?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:50 - 2:20:50)
just.

[Speaker 5] (2:20:51 - 2:20:53)
But I will do that after you bring your point,

[Speaker 5] (2:20:53 - 2:20:53)
Katie,

[Speaker 5] (2:20:53 - 2:20:53)
because I know you've

[Speaker 6] (2:20:53 - 2:20:53)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:20:53 - 2:20:54)
been...

[Speaker 6] (2:20:54 - 2:21:01)
was just going to say I'm going to make this a little bit more complicated so maybe your suggestion is better than only because I'll just

[Speaker 2] (2:21:01 - 2:21:01)
Only

[Speaker 6] (2:21:01 - 2:21:02)
say because I

[Speaker 2] (2:21:02 - 2:21:02)
she's on Zoom.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:02 - 2:21:08)
would rather I would rather charge more for the trash barrel and make the second recycling barrel free.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:10 - 2:21:11)
What?

[Speaker 5] (2:21:11 - 2:21:13)
Wait, can you say it one more time? I wasn't expecting to hear that.

[Speaker 5] (2:21:13 - 2:21:14)
Say

[Speaker 6] (2:21:14 - 2:21:14)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:21:14 - 2:21:14)
it one more time.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:14 - 2:21:17)
right now you're proposing that a second recycle barrel is $100,

[Speaker 6] (2:21:18 - 2:21:18)
right?

[Speaker 5] (2:21:19 - 2:21:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:21 - 2:21:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:21:21 - 2:21:31)
so I would rather go to the ceiling on trash 180 if you want it, as long as every person in town gets a second recycle barrel free of charge.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:33 - 2:21:34)
It's going to be a lot higher cost

[Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:35)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:21:35 - 2:21:35)
though,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:35 - 2:21:35)
don't

[Speaker 5] (2:21:35 - 2:21:36)
right? So the cost

[Speaker 1] (2:21:36 - 2:21:36)
know if there's

[Speaker 5] (2:21:36 - 2:21:36)
of,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:36 - 2:21:37)
a little bit of math,

[Speaker 5] (2:21:37 - 2:21:37)
yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:37 - 2:21:37)
I don't

[Speaker 5] (2:21:37 - 2:21:40)
there's, I don't, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:40 - 2:21:47)
Because I think that if you're going to charge for a second recycle barrel, you are going to have people who reach a limit in their recycling,

[Speaker 6] (2:21:47 - 2:21:51)
even though your recycling is huge and we're going to get brand new barrels and they're going to be huge.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:52 - 2:21:53)
And I think.

[Speaker 6] (2:21:54 - 2:22:00)
Kate Holt stood up at town meeting and said if you charge for a second barrel people will reach a plateau of recycling right

[Speaker 1] (2:22:00 - 2:22:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:00 - 2:22:19)
you'll get you'll fill your barrel and that will be it right now some weeks I have three barrels full of recycling some weeks I just have one so it depends I'd rather have two barrels of recycling and be enticed to take all of that out of the trash stream because it's free of charge for all residents to over recycle

[Speaker 6] (2:22:21 - 2:22:26)
Then, and have a way to mitigate that through trash costs,

[Speaker 6] (2:22:26 - 2:22:28)
then penalize

[Speaker 7] (2:22:28 - 2:22:29)
So the

[Speaker 6] (2:22:29 - 2:22:31)
people for getting an extra recycling barrel.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:32 - 2:22:33)
And I think there are towns that do this.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:35 - 2:22:36)
I have no idea.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:36 - 2:22:37)
average user,

[Speaker 7] (2:22:37 - 2:22:41)
right, so if the full recycling barrel

[Speaker 7] (2:22:42 - 2:22:58)
Uh ji i in other words, you wouldn't be getting a second recycling barrel unless the first one was full. A full recycling barrel would be almost seventy pounds. And that is based upon pretty pretty good data that we have about um the density of recycling, it had residential density.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:59 - 2:23:00)
And you see I make an assumption that these

[Speaker 1] (2:23:00 - 2:23:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:23:00 - 2:23:00)
are the facts.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:00 - 2:23:02)
because I have two recycle barrels,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:02 - 2:23:03)
Wayne,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
that are huge.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:03 - 2:23:03)
You're

[Speaker 1] (2:23:03 - 2:23:04)
And

[Speaker 7] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
60

[Speaker 1] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
if it weighed

[Speaker 7] (2:23:04 - 2:23:04)
gallon.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:04 - 2:23:07)
70 pounds, I couldn't drag it out to my curb. So no,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:07 - 2:23:09)
I don't think your assumption is accurate.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:09 - 2:23:10)
I'm going to say that right

[Speaker 7] (2:23:10 - 2:23:10)
These

[Speaker 1] (2:23:10 - 2:23:10)
off the bat.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:10 - 2:23:13)
are 50% higher than the cost of the sizes that you have.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:14 - 2:23:18)
And I still wouldn't be able to pull the thing out if it weighed 70 pounds.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:18 - 2:23:19)
I don't think anybody would.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:19 - 2:23:22)
So hold on if we had to

[Speaker 5] (2:23:23 - 2:23:27)
What would we have to charge for the trash barrel to give everybody a free recycling barrel?

[Speaker 1] (2:23:27 - 2:23:27)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:27 - 2:23:28)
Yeah, I don't

[Speaker 5] (2:23:28 - 2:23:34)
Like we ha we ha I appreciate the perspective, especially I I recall when Katie stood up a town meeting and

[Speaker 5] (2:23:36 - 2:23:38)
uh I appreciate the point she made.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:38 - 2:23:43)
I just we we've told people we have to make a decision tonight and I'm nervous that we're still

[Speaker 5] (2:23:44 - 2:23:51)
I don't know if we're any closer to a decision now than we were two weeks ago, but we've told the public we're gonna have a decision and we've talked about this for forty five minutes. So

[Speaker 1] (2:23:51 - 2:23:57)
I would I would recommend we take the town administrator's recommendation and charge a hundred and fifty dollars for a second barrel.

[Speaker 8] (2:23:57 - 2:23:57)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:23:57 - 2:23:58)
That would be my recommendation.

[Speaker 8] (2:23:58 - 2:24:06)
my recommendation is we take Wayne's recommendation of increasing and putting hauling fee in there because

[Speaker 8] (2:24:07 - 2:24:13)
If you're putting out more trash, you should be assuming more of the responsibility for hauling

[Speaker 1] (2:24:13 - 2:24:16)
And I am. That's why I'm paying $150 for a second barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:16 - 2:24:18)
That's enough responsibility for me.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:18 - 2:24:22)
I don't think I should be penalized because I use more trash than you.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:22 - 2:24:23)
I'm already paying extra.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:23 - 2:24:25)
I'm paying for the second barrel.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:26 - 2:24:26)
That's

[Speaker 5] (2:24:26 - 2:24:27)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:24:27 - 2:24:27)
it.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:27 - 2:24:27)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:24:27 - 2:24:29)
Personal thoughts. I think we should take a vote.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:29 - 2:24:29)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:29 - 2:24:30)
Let's just call it.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:30 - 2:24:42)
let's let's let's be clear on which our motion is So I think we're going to if we're going to vote here and we make a motion one is on the barrel There's three things that they hear right one is on the trash barrel The other is on the bags and the others on the recycling barrel

[Speaker 6] (2:24:42 - 2:24:45)
So I think we should take it one at a time the bag.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:45 - 2:24:46)
Let's start with the bag

[Speaker 6] (2:24:47 - 2:24:51)
So we're either motioning to increase the bag fee or motioning to keep it the same.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:51 - 2:24:53)
So can somebody provide a motion?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:53 - 2:24:53)
Motion

[Speaker 5] (2:24:53 - 2:24:54)
I'll make

[Speaker 1] (2:24:54 - 2:24:55)
to keep it the same.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:55 - 2:24:55)
second.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:56 - 2:24:57)
Is there a second?

[Speaker 6] (2:24:57 - 2:24:57)
Ten?

[Speaker 6] (2:24:57 - 2:24:58)
Okay, so we'll roll call.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:59 - 2:24:59)
Ten.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:00 - 2:25:00)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:01 - 2:25:01)
Wayne.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:02 - 2:25:03)
Nay.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:04 - 2:25:05)
Marianne.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:05 - 2:25:05)
No.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:07 - 2:25:08)
Danielle.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:08 - 2:25:08)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:09 - 2:25:10)
And I have an aye.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:10 - 2:25:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:10 - 2:25:11)
So...

[Speaker 6] (2:25:12 - 2:25:15)
Now we move on we need what else is on your list other than the barrel?

[Speaker 5] (2:25:15 - 2:25:15)
For

[Speaker 8] (2:25:15 - 2:25:15)
The barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:15 - 2:25:20)
Before someone makes a motion, though, I just have one question, and I will wait until someone's ready to make a motion. Ask my question.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:21 - 2:25:22)
Unless they want me to ask it now.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:22 - 2:25:23)
Ask her now.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:23 - 2:25:25)
Okay. So again, just to clarify,

[Speaker 5] (2:25:25 - 2:25:32)
the service charge is fixed. There's no impact on how many barrels we have and how much waste we put into it.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:32 - 2:25:32)
That's

[Speaker 8] (2:25:32 - 2:25:32)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:32 - 2:25:32)
correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:32 - 2:25:32)
Correct

[Speaker 5] (2:25:32 - 2:25:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:33 - 2:25:33)
That's right.

[Speaker 8] (2:25:33 - 2:25:34)
Some cost.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:34 - 2:25:36)
It's a sunk cost. So the only reason we would...

[Speaker 5] (2:25:37 - 2:25:37)
make

[Speaker 5] (2:25:38 - 2:25:44)
people pay for more than the weight of their trash is because they're a heavier user and we want them to help subsidize the overall

[Speaker 8] (2:25:44 - 2:25:45)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:45 - 2:25:46)
$5,100 because

[Speaker 1] (2:25:46 - 2:25:46)
We want to they're penalize

[Speaker 5] (2:25:46 - 2:25:47)
using it

[Speaker 1] (2:25:47 - 2:25:47)
them less.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:47 - 2:25:47)
more,

[Speaker 5] (2:25:47 - 2:25:47)
using

[Speaker 1] (2:25:47 - 2:25:48)
We want to

[Speaker 5] (2:25:48 - 2:25:48)
more

[Speaker 1] (2:25:48 - 2:25:48)
penalize

[Speaker 5] (2:25:48 - 2:25:48)
weight.

[Speaker 8] (2:25:48 - 2:25:48)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:48 - 2:25:48)
them.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:49 - 2:25:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:49 - 2:25:52)
Okay, so, so I'm just going to make the statement that

[Speaker 5] (2:25:52 - 2:25:52)
Was that accurate,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:52 - 2:25:53)
it

[Speaker 5] (2:25:53 - 2:25:53)
though?

[Speaker 2] (2:25:53 - 2:25:54)
is accurate and I agree with you.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:54 - 2:25:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:54 - 2:25:54)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (2:25:54 - 2:25:55)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (2:25:55 - 2:25:55)
so

[Speaker 5] (2:25:55 - 2:25:56)
just so trying to get the right

[Speaker 2] (2:25:56 - 2:25:56)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:25:56 - 2:25:56)
framework down.

[Speaker 2] (2:25:56 - 2:25:59)
can go at least for the next year,

[Speaker 2] (2:25:59 - 2:26:05)
I can definitely go down the road of saying if we are truly fixing the cost at the

[Speaker 7] (2:26:05 - 2:26:06)
per resident level,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:07 - 2:26:14)
it's flat, then I would be fine in favour of that. However, I'm convinced that the weight

[Speaker 6] (2:26:14 - 2:26:16)
In favour of what specifically weight? The per

[Speaker 7] (2:26:16 - 2:26:18)
of of just charging for the tipping,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:18 - 2:26:19)
okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:19 - 2:26:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:19 - 2:26:21)
of of of the weight cost.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:21 - 2:26:30)
But I go back to the strong feeling that it's gonna be more, for those users that are using it, they're gonna be consuming more

[Speaker 2] (2:26:31 - 2:26:32)
Wait.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:32 - 2:26:40)
Then they would then the average user. So I I would I would be leaning maybe you don't have to go to the full 180, but more than 150.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:42 - 2:26:43)
So what is the dollar point?

[Speaker 2] (2:26:44 - 2:26:45)
So if I

[Speaker 2] (2:26:45 - 2:26:46)
you

[Speaker 8] (2:26:46 - 2:26:46)
What's

[Speaker 2] (2:26:46 - 2:26:46)
know,

[Speaker 8] (2:26:46 - 2:26:48)
the middle point between one fifty and one eighty?

[Speaker 8] (2:26:48 - 2:26:48)
One

[Speaker 5] (2:26:48 - 2:26:49)
176

[Speaker 8] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
seventy

[Speaker 1] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
One fifty

[Speaker 8] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
five.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
five.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:49 - 2:26:49)
point five.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:49 - 2:26:50)
Sixty five.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:50 - 2:26:51)
One sixty five.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:51 - 2:26:52)
Let's that math out.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
Yeah, one sixty

[Speaker 8] (2:26:52 - 2:26:55)
So why don't we reach a happy medium at one sixty five?

[Speaker 8] (2:26:56 - 2:26:58)
I'd like to make a motion for one sixty five.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:00 - 2:27:01)
Second it.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:03 - 2:27:04)
Any more discussion?

[Speaker 7] (2:27:05 - 2:27:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:27:06 - 2:27:06)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:27:06 - 2:27:07)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:27:07 - 2:27:07)
again,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:07 - 2:27:07)
go

[Speaker 2] (2:27:07 - 2:27:08)
I can, sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:08 - 2:27:11)
back to we can raise it in a year if it's not enough,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:11 - 2:27:25)
but we should start small and raise it incrementally if we find that it's not enough. I think to overburden people and punitively punish them for getting a second barrel to subsidize everybody else is not the right way to go.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:26 - 2:27:31)
I know. Can I make a friendly amendment to like 155 if 150 is not enough?

[Speaker 6] (2:27:31 - 2:27:33)
I just think 165, even though it's in the middle,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:34 - 2:27:38)
I think the supposition that everybody's spilling everything to the max is just not accurate.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:38 - 2:27:40)
And I'll, you know.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:41 - 2:27:44)
Be responsible if I'm wrong, but I just I

[Speaker 8] (2:27:44 - 2:27:44)
I think

[Speaker 6] (2:27:44 - 2:27:45)
agree

[Speaker 8] (2:27:45 - 2:27:45)
so too.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:45 - 2:27:48)
with Danielle one let I would ask to go to 155 but the

[Speaker 8] (2:27:48 - 2:27:48)
We

[Speaker 6] (2:27:48 - 2:27:49)
motion

[Speaker 8] (2:27:49 - 2:27:49)
can on always

[Speaker 6] (2:27:49 - 2:27:49)
the table is

[Speaker 8] (2:27:49 - 2:27:49)
increase,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:49 - 2:27:49)
one

[Speaker 8] (2:27:49 - 2:27:51)
but we cannot decrease.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:51 - 2:27:51)
Just

[Speaker 8] (2:27:51 - 2:27:51)
Nobody

[Speaker 5] (2:27:51 - 2:27:51)
to just

[Speaker 8] (2:27:51 - 2:27:52)
ever decreases.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:52 - 2:27:53)
from a monetary perspective,

[Speaker 5] (2:27:53 - 2:28:01)
and I know we're all probably really excited to get this conversation over with What happens if we come on the underwater side of this? Where does the money come from?

[Speaker 8] (2:28:02 - 2:28:02)
That's

[Speaker 2] (2:28:02 - 2:28:02)
Right

[Speaker 8] (2:28:02 - 2:28:02)
right.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:02 - 2:28:04)
now the entire trash

[Speaker 2] (2:28:05 - 2:28:07)
Contract is subsidized out of the levy

[Speaker 5] (2:28:07 - 2:28:08)
So it'll

[Speaker 2] (2:28:08 - 2:28:08)
Way

[Speaker 5] (2:28:08 - 2:28:08)
come from there.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:08 - 2:28:09)
short of the hundred, It comes

[Speaker 5] (2:28:09 - 2:28:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:09 - 2:28:12)
directly out of the taxpayer's pocket.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:12 - 2:28:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:12 - 2:28:13)
The 104,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:14 - 2:28:15)
if I'm looking at that right,

[Speaker 2] (2:28:15 - 2:28:17)
for the FY27 light that are the town receive,

[Speaker 5] (2:28:17 - 2:28:18)
104,000.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:18 - 2:28:21)
that's what would go into the enterprise

[Speaker 7] (2:28:21 - 2:28:22)
And we wouldn't.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:22 - 2:28:31)
account and that would lower the ultimate number that is paid out of the, but what went before town meeting was the full cost of the contract with our projections for.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:33 - 2:28:38)
the fuel charges just because as we were signing it, it was very clear that something

[Speaker 5] (2:28:38 - 2:28:42)
So it already calculates in assumptions at the worst case scenario that this is not going to be.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:42 - 2:28:43)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:43 - 2:28:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:43 - 2:28:47)
We will be reducing our bag,

[Speaker 7] (2:28:47 - 2:28:49)
we'll be supplementing

[Speaker 2] (2:28:56 - 2:28:57)
Yeah. Understood.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:57 - 2:29:08)
so we'll be definitely as people move towards that the regular users if there are 400 users you're going to be losing another 20,000 bags of sales

[Speaker 1] (2:29:09 - 2:29:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:10 - 2:29:11)
These supplements,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:11 - 2:29:12)
one versus the other.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:12 - 2:29:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:14 - 2:29:15)
So look,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:15 - 2:29:16)
There's a motion on the floor.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:16 - 2:29:18)
I'm just going to say this.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:18 - 2:29:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:18 - 2:29:24)
This is, there's really no hill to die on one way or the other. We're talking about, we're talking,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:24 - 2:29:27)
this is just, this is just a transparent discussion for us, for the public.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:28 - 2:29:30)
You know, if you're talking about on a $2 million contract,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:31 - 2:29:33)
a couple of $10,000 one way or the other.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:35 - 2:29:38)
You know, I think we're in the ballpark,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:38 - 2:29:39)
so

[Speaker 1] (2:29:41 - 2:29:42)
yep,

[Speaker 5] (2:29:42 - 2:29:47)
Yeah, I don't disagree with you Wade, but when we talk about it with water and sewer rates rising, with taxes rising,

[Speaker 5] (2:29:47 - 2:29:50)
with everything else, but every dollar counts.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
it does

[Speaker 5] (2:29:51 - 2:29:54)
So I do think like...

[Speaker 5] (2:29:54 - 2:30:03)
at 165 that's the motion on the table but like if we could just go down even to 160 that like I can't justify going that high over it could we consider 160

[Speaker 6] (2:30:04 - 2:30:07)
But I think we're missing the point. We're in the neighborhood,

[Speaker 6] (2:30:07 - 2:30:13)
but it's the right thing to do to not overcharge people when we cannot prove that theory.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:13 - 2:30:18)
We cannot concurrently give them the numbers that prove 165 or $180.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:18 - 2:30:20)
We can barely do it for 150.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
50.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:20 - 2:30:31)
We don't want to listen to the town administrator who just gave us the rationale, because we want to basically punish our neighbors who are requesting a second barrel. That's what we're talking about here.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:31 - 2:30:33)
I don't think there's any punishment. It's just a

[Speaker 6] (2:30:33 - 2:30:33)
Yeah, just there is.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:33 - 2:30:35)
a disagreement on what

[Speaker 6] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35)
is the

[Speaker 6] (2:30:35 - 2:30:36)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:36 - 2:30:38)
density and what is the weight and what is the usage.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:38 - 2:30:38)
That's your decision.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:38 - 2:30:40)
I can sustain that.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:40 - 2:30:42)
That's your discussion.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:42 - 2:30:42)
No, it is a discussion

[Speaker 5] (2:30:42 - 2:30:43)
Okay, but

[Speaker 1] (2:30:43 - 2:30:47)
and it's my discussion based upon some of the factors that I have looked at over a long,

[Speaker 6] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
But,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
long time.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
but when you're

[Speaker 6] (2:30:47 - 2:30:49)
So Mary Ellen is telling me that I'm going to be,

[Speaker 6] (2:30:49 - 2:30:53)
you know, I should pay more because I'm asking for a second barrel,

[Speaker 6] (2:30:53 - 2:30:53)
right?

[Speaker 6] (2:30:53 - 2:30:55)
That's a different discussion.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:55 - 2:30:56)
That's a different,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:56 - 2:30:56)
it's a parallel,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:57 - 2:30:57)
they're different tracks.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:57 - 2:30:57)
Sure,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:57 - 2:30:58)
I'm agreeing,

[Speaker 6] (2:30:58 - 2:30:58)
sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:58 - 2:30:58)
listen,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:58 - 2:31:02)
I'm agreeing with the fact of just charging for the tonnage.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:02 - 2:31:07)
The disagreement we have is what the total contribution of that tonnage is by the extra users.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:07 - 2:31:09)
If you want to go light, you go light.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:09 - 2:31:09)
Look,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:09 - 2:31:11)
it's not a hill I want to die on for...

[Speaker 1] (2:31:12 - 2:31:13)
five bucks.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:14 - 2:31:16)
It's not. It's not. It's the fact Well, that we do

[Speaker 6] (2:31:16 - 2:31:16)
it's

[Speaker 1] (2:31:16 - 2:31:17)
have to charge

[Speaker 6] (2:31:17 - 2:31:17)
five bucks

[Speaker 1] (2:31:17 - 2:31:17)
something.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:17 - 2:31:19)
of not my money, Wayne. So yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:19 - 2:31:19)
Per

[Speaker 6] (2:31:19 - 2:31:19)
I'm going

[Speaker 1] (2:31:19 - 2:31:19)
year.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:19 - 2:31:20)
to, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:20 - 2:31:20)
Per year.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:20 - 2:31:21)
Doesn't matter,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:21 - 2:31:22)
Wayne.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:22 - 2:31:22)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:31:22 - 2:31:25)
I'm asking 5,100 users to pay X,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:25 - 2:31:27)
but I can't back up that assumption. Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:27 - 2:31:29)
I take it seriously.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:29 - 2:31:31)
I don't want it to be more than it should be.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:31 - 2:31:35)
When I ask them to pay extra in water and sewer and everything else that goes up in this town,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:35 - 2:31:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:35 - 2:31:36)
yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:36 - 2:31:37)
I want to give people a break

[Speaker 1] (2:31:37 - 2:31:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:37 - 2:31:37)
if I can.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:38 - 2:31:39)
That's my goal.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:39 - 2:31:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:39 - 2:31:41)
I'm not here to make money off blue bags.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:41 - 2:31:42)
I'm not.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:43 - 2:31:45)
So there's no reason to consider them.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:46 - 2:31:46)
There's

[Speaker 6] (2:31:46 - 2:31:46)
Oh, we

[Speaker 5] (2:31:46 - 2:31:47)
a motion.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:47 - 2:31:47)
There's a second.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:47 - 2:31:50)
We can move to vote if there's no amendment that

[Speaker 1] (2:31:50 - 2:31:50)
We can make,

[Speaker 5] (2:31:50 - 2:31:50)
is to

[Speaker 1] (2:31:50 - 2:31:55)
if you'd like to, I would move to amend to move it to 160.

[Speaker 5] (2:31:57 - 2:31:58)
getting a second.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:00 - 2:32:00)
I'll second that.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:01 - 2:32:02)
Wait, what was it originally?

[Speaker 5] (2:32:02 - 2:32:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:03 - 2:32:03)
160?

[Speaker 5] (2:32:03 - 2:32:04)
Was it 165

[Speaker 6] (2:32:04 - 2:32:04)
165.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:04 - 2:32:05)
or 165?

[Speaker 8] (2:32:05 - 2:32:06)
165, 150,

[Speaker 6] (2:32:06 - 2:32:06)
Went to...

[Speaker 8] (2:32:06 - 2:32:08)
160, fine, sure, great,

[Speaker 5] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
160.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
second.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:09 - 2:32:14)
Okay, so the motion on the table is to have the barrels be,

[Speaker 5] (2:32:14 - 2:32:17)
for the additional barrel, be 160.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:17 - 2:32:18)
And Baroque Lane,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:19 - 2:32:19)
Hi.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
Ted,

[Speaker 8] (2:32:20 - 2:32:21)
Hi.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:21 - 2:32:22)
Danielle,

[Speaker 6] (2:32:22 - 2:32:22)
Hi.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:23 - 2:32:24)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:25 - 2:32:28)
And I'm going to raise 160 then.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:28 - 2:32:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:28 - 2:32:30)
I can't say we didn't

[Speaker 6] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
What?

[Speaker 5] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
budget for it.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:31 - 2:32:31)
Hold

[Speaker 8] (2:32:31 - 2:32:32)
That was

[Speaker 6] (2:32:32 - 2:32:32)
on a minute.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:32 - 2:32:32)
a vote

[Speaker 6] (2:32:32 - 2:32:33)
Hold on a minute.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:33 - 2:32:33)
on the amendment.

[Speaker 9] (2:32:33 - 2:32:36)
Can I, that was a vote, that was a vote in the amendment, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:32:36 - 2:32:36)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (2:32:36 - 2:32:37)
Wait, everybody

[Speaker 9] (2:32:37 - 2:32:37)
voted so

[Speaker 5] (2:32:37 - 2:32:37)
in

[Speaker 9] (2:32:37 - 2:32:37)
the motion.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:37 - 2:32:40)
favor of a roll call vote for the barely 160.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:41 - 2:32:42)
Sorry, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:42 - 2:32:43)
Lane?

[Speaker 1] (2:32:43 - 2:32:43)
Hi.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:44 - 2:32:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:44 - 2:32:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:45 - 2:32:45)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:45 - 2:32:45)
Danielle?

[Speaker 6] (2:32:46 - 2:32:46)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:46 - 2:32:47)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:47 - 2:32:47)
Marion?

[Speaker 5] (2:32:48 - 2:32:49)
Okay, Katie's a nine.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:49 - 2:32:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:50 - 2:32:51)
I can't wait to have this conversation next

[Speaker 5] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
Should

[Speaker 8] (2:32:51 - 2:32:51)
week.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:51 - 2:32:52)
we do a third one?

[Speaker 5] (2:32:53 - 2:32:53)
No, I'm just kidding.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:54 - 2:32:55)
All right, so recycling

[Speaker 1] (2:32:55 - 2:32:56)
Recycling barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:56 - 2:32:58)
barrels.

[Speaker 9] (2:32:59 - 2:33:00)
I just lost me.

[Speaker 9] (2:33:02 - 2:33:03)
I'll be right back.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:03 - 2:33:05)
So is there a slide on how we came to 100?

[Speaker 9] (2:33:05 - 2:33:07)
Yeah, I just got kicked out of the meeting,

[Speaker 9] (2:33:07 - 2:33:08)
so I'm trying to get back in.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:08 - 2:33:09)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:09 - 2:33:09)
Hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:09 - 2:33:11)
I'm jealous.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:15 - 2:33:15)
Do you want mine?

[Speaker 8] (2:33:16 - 2:33:23)
So now I'm sure there's a lot of data. Is the recycling, and I know you walked us through this two weeks ago. Similar.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:25 - 2:33:32)
mentality but similar mentality as in we pay the service fee we play the price per pound based on the various goods in it but

[Speaker 1] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:33:32 - 2:33:35)
we also get a refund up based on the goods and the amount they're worth

[Speaker 1] (2:33:35 - 2:33:35)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:36 - 2:33:36)
And

[Speaker 8] (2:33:36 - 2:33:36)
okay

[Speaker 1] (2:33:36 - 2:33:46)
so the assumption of the return is conservative at around $25. That can float. That is a difficult number to peg.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:47 - 2:33:49)
You know, and if we're looking from year to year, I'm certainly

[Speaker 1] (2:33:50 - 2:33:56)
open to changing that number next year as well whether or not it needs to be lowered or raised based

[Speaker 8] (2:33:56 - 2:33:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:57 - 2:34:16)
upon what the average what they call the ACR which is the the rebate so this is for every other week remember that this is this is the weight of a 96 gallon barrel and the ratio of a full user versus an average user is six point

[Speaker 1] (2:34:16 - 2:34:17)
Four times.

[Speaker 8] (2:34:17 - 2:34:18)
Mm-hmm

[Speaker 1] (2:34:18 - 2:34:20)
On any given, any given time.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:21 - 2:34:21)
Wait,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:21 - 2:34:25)
I'm looking at your calculator and it says 52 weeks. Shouldn't it be 26

[Speaker 1] (2:34:25 - 2:34:27)
Should be 20, yes. Oh, crud. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:27 - 2:34:27)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:34:27 - 2:34:27)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:27 - 2:34:30)
this room should be $45 cheaper.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:30 - 2:34:31)
That's bad copy and paste.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:32 - 2:34:33)
No, the, the internal,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:33 - 2:34:34)
the,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:34 - 2:34:36)
the spreadsheet is actually based upon 26.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:37 - 2:34:38)
That,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:38 - 2:34:41)
the 52 weeks was a typo. Thank you for catching that.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:42 - 2:34:43)
Wait, so the dollar amount is correct,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:43 - 2:34:44)
but the weeks are up?

[Speaker 1] (2:34:44 - 2:34:47)
The dollar internally in the spreadsheet is actually times 26.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:49 - 2:34:52)
I know, but what I'm saying is that 90.57,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:52 - 2:34:55)
is that times 56 or is that times,

[Speaker 5] (2:34:55 - 2:34:58)
I'm sorry, 26 or 52 because $3

[Speaker 1] (2:34:58 - 2:35:01)
It's $3.48 times 26.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:03 - 2:35:06)
.48 times 26,

[Speaker 8] (2:35:06 - 2:35:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:35:06 - 2:35:06)
so that

[Speaker 8] (2:35:06 - 2:35:06)
my math

[Speaker 5] (2:35:06 - 2:35:06)
is not.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:06 - 2:35:07)
sounds right.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:07 - 2:35:08)
That's not right.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:10 - 2:35:11)
What is the $90.57?

[Speaker 1] (2:35:11 - 2:35:12)
That's $90.48.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:12 - 2:35:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:12 - 2:35:12)
90-40.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:12 - 2:35:16)
I mean, there's some fractions in there. I mean, there's some it it goes out decimal places.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:16 - 2:35:17)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:17 - 2:35:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:17 - 2:35:17)
94.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:18 - 2:35:18)
Yeah, it's $90

[Speaker 8] (2:35:18 - 2:35:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:19 - 2:35:19)
.48.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:19 - 2:35:20)
it's off by nine cents, but

[Speaker 5] (2:35:21 - 2:35:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:23 - 2:35:23)
Wait, just walk

[Speaker 5] (2:35:23 - 2:35:23)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:35:23 - 2:35:24)
me.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:24 - 2:35:24)
just

[Speaker 6] (2:35:24 - 2:35:26)
What is the $90.57? Is that...

[Speaker 1] (2:35:26 - 2:35:30)
That's the cost based upon the based upon the full container.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:31 - 2:35:39)
If you have to have a second container, that means you are using six times more than the average person in town.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:41 - 2:35:43)
How do we figure out that people are using 70

[Speaker 6] (2:35:43 - 2:35:43)
We don't.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:43 - 2:35:44)
pounds of recycling?

[Speaker 6] (2:35:44 - 2:35:45)
We don't.

[Speaker 8] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
I

[Speaker 8] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
mean, I

[Speaker 5] (2:35:45 - 2:35:45)
mean,

[Speaker 8] (2:35:45 - 2:35:46)
trust

[Speaker 6] (2:35:46 - 2:35:46)
We

[Speaker 8] (2:35:46 - 2:35:46)
that the

[Speaker 6] (2:35:46 - 2:35:47)
have

[Speaker 8] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
projection

[Speaker 1] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
No

[Speaker 6] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
no

[Speaker 1] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
was

[Speaker 8] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
of...

[Speaker 6] (2:35:47 - 2:35:47)
idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:47 - 2:35:48)
going to be full.

[Speaker 6] (2:35:48 - 2:35:48)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:35:48 - 2:35:48)
I don't think

[Speaker 6] (2:35:48 - 2:35:48)
know it.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:48 - 2:35:49)
You

[Speaker 1] (2:35:49 - 2:35:49)
anything was going

[Speaker 5] (2:35:49 - 2:35:49)
know what

[Speaker 1] (2:35:49 - 2:35:49)
to

[Speaker 5] (2:35:49 - 2:35:49)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (2:35:49 - 2:35:49)
be.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:49 - 2:35:57)
not afraid of is the cardboard cardboard because it's big and it can't fit anywhere and even though I put it up, it's bulky.

[Speaker 5] (2:35:58 - 2:36:02)
So, if I buy a heavier recycling cart, probably one will be just cardboard.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:02 - 2:36:09)
And I'm not filling it 70 pounds or however 96 pounds of cardboard because of just the way it is.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:09 - 2:36:10)
So, again,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:10 - 2:36:12)
I mean I hate to get back into this philosophical conversation

[Speaker 6] (2:36:12 - 2:36:12)
It's a shame

[Speaker 5] (2:36:12 - 2:36:13)
about it,

[Speaker 6] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
today.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
but it's

[Speaker 6] (2:36:13 - 2:36:14)
It's a shame.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:14 - 2:36:17)
the same debate just in terms of recycling instead of trash.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:17 - 2:36:18)
So, one

[Speaker 8] (2:36:18 - 2:36:19)
Didn't we talk last week?

[Speaker 5] (2:36:19 - 2:36:20)
issue is the ceiling,

[Speaker 5] (2:36:20 - 2:36:20)
correct?

[Speaker 5] (2:36:21 - 2:36:22)
Like the heaviest user.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:23 - 2:36:26)
That is the assumption of, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:26 - 2:36:27)
60,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:27 - 2:36:29)
almost 70 pounds. Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:29 - 2:36:33)
It's a whole car, or 80% of a car on the other side.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:33 - 2:36:40)
That's just the math of density of loose recycling per cubic yard is 126 pounds per cubic yard.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:41 - 2:36:42)
That's what it comes out to be.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:42 - 2:36:45)
So it's a 69-pound recycling cart.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:46 - 2:36:47)
Mm hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:47 - 2:36:55)
And has anyone actually thought of the logistical, just the logic of a 69 pound recycling cart?

[Speaker 6] (2:36:55 - 2:36:58)
Who in their right mind is going to pull out a 69 pound recycling

[Speaker 1] (2:36:58 - 2:37:01)
Most people won't be, most people won't be using that

[Speaker 6] (2:37:01 - 2:37:02)
Right, but if they

[Speaker 1] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
amount.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:02 - 2:37:07)
do need a second cart, we're going to charge them for a 69 pound fully recycled cart at $102.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:08 - 2:37:09)
That's this logic.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:10 - 2:37:14)
Yeah, because the average ut the average user is using ten pounds of eleven pounds a week.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:17 - 2:37:17)
Oh, twenty

[Speaker 8] (2:37:17 - 2:37:17)
Wait.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:17 - 2:37:18)
pounds over two weeks.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:19 - 2:37:21)
But not 69 pounds.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:21 - 2:37:22)
Yeah, how do we get from that to

[Speaker 5] (2:37:22 - 2:37:22)
69.

[Speaker 8] (2:37:22 - 2:37:23)
to that?

[Speaker 1] (2:37:23 - 2:37:36)
Because because you know that they're not using the full capacity. If you're using the full capacity for those folks that need the full capacity, they're gonna rightfully as we talked about before fairly pay for the for the assumption of the weight.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:37 - 2:37:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:37 - 2:37:38)
But we don't

[Speaker 5] (2:37:38 - 2:37:40)
So you said the projected capacity

[Speaker 6] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
for

[Speaker 6] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
can't

[Speaker 5] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
overcharge

[Speaker 6] (2:37:40 - 2:37:41)
address that.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:41 - 2:37:43)
is 60,000 to 70,000 here,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:43 - 2:37:46)
but you just said the average person is looking at like 20,000 in their car.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:46 - 2:37:47)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:47 - 2:37:50)
Because they're not going to be filling it up every week or every other week.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:50 - 2:37:50)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:37:50 - 2:37:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:50 - 2:38:01)
mean, look, it's 1,400, just do the math. It's 1,440 tons divided by 5,100 residents divided by 52 weeks.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:02 - 2:38:03)
It's 10 point

[Speaker 5] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
We're

[Speaker 1] (2:38:03 - 2:38:03)
nine per

[Speaker 5] (2:38:03 - 2:38:04)
at 26 weeks.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:04 - 2:38:07)
week. No, if the average

[Speaker 5] (2:38:07 - 2:38:07)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:07 - 2:38:08)
pound of household is per week.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:08 - 2:38:08)
sorry.

[Speaker 8] (2:38:08 - 2:38:09)
Yeah, that would be 52.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:09 - 2:38:11)
Yes, that is 52.

[Speaker 5] (2:38:11 - 2:38:11)
Sorry.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:12 - 2:38:14)
I said this last week. I'll say it again.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:14 - 2:38:22)
My thought is we are disincentivizing people to recycle by charging them $102 for a second recycle bin,

[Speaker 6] (2:38:22 - 2:38:26)
which ultimately people recycling more helps this town.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:26 - 2:38:30)
So we're going to penalize them by recycling more.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:30 - 2:38:32)
It doesn't make any sense to me.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:32 - 2:38:33)
Recycling isn't free

[Speaker 6] (2:38:33 - 2:38:38)
Granted, but it costs way more if those people don't recycle and stick it in your trash.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:39 - 2:38:39)
Correct?

[Speaker 8] (2:38:40 - 2:38:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:38:41 - 2:38:41)
Instead

[Speaker 1] (2:38:41 - 2:38:41)
And

[Speaker 6] (2:38:41 - 2:38:42)
of

[Speaker 1] (2:38:42 - 2:38:42)
why

[Speaker 6] (2:38:42 - 2:38:42)
would recycling.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:42 - 2:38:44)
they want to be paying an extra 150?

[Speaker 2] (2:38:48 - 2:38:49)
maybe they're not going to.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:49 - 2:38:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:49 - 2:38:50)
Maybe they're not going to.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:50 - 2:38:56)
What will happen when someone has one trash bag and some extra recycling and they'll get an extra trash barrel instead of an extra recycle barrel?

[Speaker 4] (2:38:56 - 2:38:58)
That's what will happen because they can't put the trash

[Speaker 3] (2:38:58 - 2:38:59)
Or

[Speaker 4] (2:38:59 - 2:39:00)
and recycling that they can put the recycling in the trash.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:00 - 2:39:04)
they'll go to their next door neighbor on the one event that they have.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:05 - 2:39:09)
that they have an extra little bit of cardboard and use their neighbors you know

[Speaker 3] (2:39:10 - 2:39:18)
wide open because the average is going to be using about a third of it, right, every two weeks, and take advantage of your neighbor's extra capacity.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:19 - 2:39:20)
I possibly

[Speaker 6] (2:39:20 - 2:39:21)
takeaway that I have here.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:21 - 2:39:32)
I don't personally ever do that, but I, I mean no, I don't stick things in my neighbor's recycling bin because I have extra. No. Um I don't know that maybe some people do. I don't. It's

[Speaker 3] (2:39:32 - 2:39:32)
It's

[Speaker 5] (2:39:32 - 2:39:32)
not

[Speaker 3] (2:39:32 - 2:39:33)
saying it's

[Speaker 5] (2:39:33 - 2:39:33)
my experience.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:33 - 2:39:34)
it's an option.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:34 - 2:39:35)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:35 - 2:39:37)
So what would be, so 100 and

[Speaker 6] (2:39:37 - 2:39:38)
$103.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:38 - 2:39:47)
Hold on, I want to just also say that we are collecting cardboard at the end of the month for heavy users of cardboard as a pilot program to see how that goes.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:47 - 2:39:50)
So if we can distill some of that bulk out of there,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:50 - 2:39:52)
on a monthly basis,

[Speaker 3] (2:39:52 - 2:39:54)
we felt that that was relieving some of the pressure.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:55 - 2:39:56)
But just cardboard,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:56 - 2:39:56)
right?

[Speaker 4] (2:39:56 - 2:39:58)
At the bottom of the screen,

[Speaker 4] (2:39:58 - 2:40:02)
it says this places higher burden on the second card user than the quote average

[Speaker 4] (2:40:02 - 2:40:06)
household quantify that what is that higher burden because I want to back that out of here

[Speaker 3] (2:40:07 - 2:40:09)
So the higher that was yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:40:09 - 2:40:16)
so the projected cost that's the that's the assumption that if you're needing a second cart You're filling the full the first cart completely full

[Speaker 3] (2:40:17 - 2:40:23)
whereas the average user would not be and the the burden of the taxpayer is paying for the average cost

[Speaker 6] (2:40:24 - 2:40:26)
Filling it full to what what?

[Speaker 6] (2:40:27 - 2:40:27)
Wait

[Speaker 3] (2:40:27 - 2:40:37)
filling it to 70 pounds as opposed to two times ten point two times 11 would be 20 22 every other week that's that's I'm just saying that's where the math comes from

[Speaker 6] (2:40:37 - 2:40:38)
Yep, I

[Speaker 4] (2:40:38 - 2:40:40)
So it's in the same

[Speaker 4] (2:40:40 - 2:40:46)
Vain as what we were saying on the previous slide can we back out so that I think the service fee should be the same across all users and

[Speaker 3] (2:40:46 - 2:40:47)
It is.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:47 - 2:40:50)
this is just the cost of recycling so this is just costs

[Speaker 3] (2:40:50 - 2:40:50)
That

[Speaker 4] (2:40:50 - 2:40:50)
to

[Speaker 3] (2:40:50 - 2:40:51)
is correct.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:51 - 2:40:52)
get our service fee included in here but

[Speaker 3] (2:40:52 - 2:40:53)
Correct.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:53 - 2:40:58)
this is assuming that the service is so above average

[Speaker 4] (2:40:59 - 2:40:59)
That it's

[Speaker 6] (2:40:59 - 2:41:00)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
it's the highest

[Speaker 4] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
mean

[Speaker 6] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
media.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:00 - 2:41:12)
I guess that's the problem here is that the assumption that it's based on is so much greater than the average that it actually goes towards being cost prohibitive than it does going to be practical

[Speaker 6] (2:41:12 - 2:41:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:13 - 2:41:16)
We're first asking people to now recycle every two weeks,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:16 - 2:41:22)
and then we're going to ask them to pay an extra $100 every two weeks if they want to recycle more.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:23 - 2:41:23)
Wait,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:23 - 2:41:23)
You don't

[Speaker 4] (2:41:23 - 2:41:24)
but I

[Speaker 5] (2:41:24 - 2:41:25)
pay $100, still you don't

[Speaker 4] (2:41:25 - 2:41:25)
trash barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:25 - 2:41:26)
pay $100.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:26 - 2:41:28)
Still cheaper than the trash barrel.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:28 - 2:41:29)
Still.

[Speaker 6] (2:41:29 - 2:41:30)
At the trash barrel you can put more stuff in.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:30 - 2:41:31)
I know, but the, yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:41:31 - 2:41:31)
A greater

[Speaker 4] (2:41:31 - 2:41:32)
but variety I can't put trash

[Speaker 6] (2:41:32 - 2:41:32)
of things in.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:32 - 2:41:32)
and

[Speaker 6] (2:41:32 - 2:41:33)
Sorry.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:33 - 2:41:33)
recycle.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:34 - 2:41:36)
doing it the recycling bin you can only put recycling in

[Speaker 3] (2:41:36 - 2:41:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:36 - 2:41:38)
so what will happen is the average

[Speaker 5] (2:41:38 - 2:41:39)
People aren't going to recycle.

[Speaker 4] (2:41:39 - 2:41:50)
over user is going to buy a trash barrel and throw out the recycling which is not what we want to happen we want to have them actively recycling just like they were because that is beneficial to the town

[Speaker 3] (2:41:50 - 2:41:51)
If we're talking about the average

[Speaker 5] (2:41:51 - 2:41:52)
In the environment.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:52 - 2:41:55)
user,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:55 - 2:41:59)
the average user uses 11 pounds per week or 22 pounds every other week.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:59 - 2:41:59)
The week of

[Speaker 6] (2:41:59 - 2:42:00)
Of recycling?

[Speaker 3] (2:42:00 - 2:42:01)
recycling that

[Speaker 6] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
22?

[Speaker 5] (2:42:01 - 2:42:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:01 - 2:42:02)
that's that's

[Speaker 5] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
That

[Speaker 3] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
the numbers

[Speaker 5] (2:42:02 - 2:42:03)
sounds okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:03 - 2:42:03)
That sounds reasonable.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:03 - 2:42:04)
Alright,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
right

[Speaker 5] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
I can see

[Speaker 3] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
so

[Speaker 5] (2:42:04 - 2:42:04)
that.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:04 - 2:42:08)
so for the edge case that you can't fit

[Speaker 3] (2:42:09 - 2:42:12)
Every single week that you can't fit

[Speaker 4] (2:42:12 - 2:42:13)
It's like non-existent.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:13 - 2:42:21)
It's I really don't think you're gonna have a lot of people that are going to need this time will tell I really think these are the this is the edge case other

[Speaker 6] (2:42:21 - 2:42:22)
So if we're and

[Speaker 3] (2:42:22 - 2:42:29)
than possibly commercial accounts that we do service we still still have some businesses on Humphrey Street they're probably going to need that

[Speaker 7] (2:42:29 - 2:42:33)
And there's a handful of residential addresses that have contacted us saying we have large families.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:33 - 2:42:34)
Mm-hmm

[Speaker 7] (2:42:34 - 2:42:35)
What is this possible?

[Speaker 7] (2:42:35 - 2:42:37)
And I said, yeah, we're working on there'll be a fee.

[Speaker 7] (2:42:37 - 2:42:39)
Sign up now. We'll get there.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:39 - 2:42:39)
So the average

[Speaker 6] (2:42:40 - 2:42:42)
User in Swamp's got his $22 pounds

[Speaker 5] (2:42:42 - 2:42:43)
22 pounds.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:43 - 2:42:44)
22 pounds,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:44 - 2:42:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:44 - 2:42:46)
I'm sorry twice a month every

[Speaker 5] (2:42:46 - 2:42:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:46 - 2:42:47)
other week. Yeah, 11 pounds.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:47 - 2:42:48)
Yeah, that's 11 pounds a week,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:48 - 2:42:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:42:48 - 2:42:50)
44 pounds 11 a month.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
11

[Speaker 4] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
Yes, so

[Speaker 6] (2:42:50 - 2:42:50)
pounds

[Speaker 4] (2:42:50 - 2:42:51)
this

[Speaker 6] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
a

[Speaker 4] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
projected

[Speaker 6] (2:42:51 - 2:42:51)
week. Okay is

[Speaker 4] (2:42:51 - 2:42:52)
capacity of 70 pounds,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:52 - 2:42:53)
it's

[Speaker 4] (2:42:53 - 2:42:55)
this is just for the second barrel,

[Speaker 4] (2:42:55 - 2:42:56)
not including the first barrel,

[Speaker 5] (2:42:56 - 2:42:57)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:57 - 2:42:57)
3x

[Speaker 5] (2:42:58 - 2:43:03)
So what about what about if we change the average capacity down to 45 pounds?

[Speaker 4] (2:43:04 - 2:43:05)
Well, it should be 22.

[Speaker 4] (2:43:05 - 2:43:07)
You're talking about two weeks of recycling.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:08 - 2:43:10)
The capacity is just the capacity.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:10 - 2:43:12)
It's not what you're, it's not the usage factor, it's the capacity.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:12 - 2:43:14)
But you said the usage was 11 pounds.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:14 - 2:43:19)
The usage is 11 pounds. If you have, let's say 22 pounds for every other week,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:19 - 2:43:19)
right?

[Speaker 5] (2:43:19 - 2:43:19)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:19 - 2:43:26)
So it's all the same time frame. So if someone's coming in and that, that is roughly going to be just less than half the barrel for

[Speaker 5] (2:43:26 - 2:43:26)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:26 - 2:43:27)
the average user.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:27 - 2:43:34)
If you have someone that is consistently needing the overage, that means they're not only using twice as much as the average user.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:34 - 2:43:34)
user,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:34 - 2:43:37)
but over and above to fit in for a second barrel,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:37 - 2:43:41)
then they're definitely taxing the system more than the average user.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:41 - 2:43:44)
Hold on, so can I just ask if we

[Speaker 5] (2:43:44 - 2:43:44)
This went is where

[Speaker 6] (2:43:44 - 2:43:44)
down

[Speaker 5] (2:43:44 - 2:43:44)
we go

[Speaker 6] (2:43:44 - 2:43:44)
to

[Speaker 5] (2:43:44 - 2:43:44)
left.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:44 - 2:43:45)
the 22

[Speaker 5] (2:43:45 - 2:43:46)
This is where it goes left.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:46 - 2:43:46)
pounds,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:46 - 2:43:48)
what would the, if this is the,

[Speaker 4] (2:43:48 - 2:43:49)
That's what I want

[Speaker 6] (2:43:49 - 2:43:49)
if

[Speaker 4] (2:43:49 - 2:43:49)
to know.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:49 - 2:43:50)
this is a ceiling,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:50 - 2:43:50)
what's the floor?

[Speaker 5] (2:43:50 - 2:43:53)
So if that red number has changed from 69 to 22,

[Speaker 5] (2:43:53 - 2:43:54)
is that what you're saying?

[Speaker 4] (2:43:54 - 2:43:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:54 - 2:43:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:43:55 - 2:43:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:43:55 - 2:43:56)
If that's what the average is,

[Speaker 6] (2:43:56 - 2:43:57)
we went down to the average.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:58 - 2:43:59)
You would take

[Speaker 8] (2:43:59 - 2:44:00)
What would that cost?

[Speaker 6] (2:44:00 - 2:44:01)
I'll tell you.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:01 - 2:44:02)
It's kind of

[Speaker 6] (2:44:02 - 2:44:02)
Wayne's

[Speaker 7] (2:44:02 - 2:44:02)
structured in

[Speaker 6] (2:44:02 - 2:44:03)
got the calculator coming

[Speaker 8] (2:44:03 - 2:44:03)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:44:03 - 2:44:04)
out.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:04 - 2:44:04)
hold on.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:04 - 2:44:07)
I'm going to guess around 50 bucks less.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:08 - 2:44:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:09 - 2:44:10)
34 dollars.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:10 - 2:44:13)
I took the 69 and you said if you wanted it to be 22.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:13 - 2:44:13)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:13 - 2:44:14)
If that's the average,

[Speaker 6] (2:44:14 - 2:44:17)
whatever that average number you said was, that's all I want it to be.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:19 - 2:44:25)
So the first barrel effectively costs us in tipping $40.60.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:26 - 2:44:28)
40.6.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:28 - 2:44:28)
Actually, yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:44:28 - 2:44:30)
that's including the $12.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:31 - 2:44:32)
That includes the $12?

[Speaker 3] (2:44:32 - 2:44:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:33 - 2:44:33)
So that

[Speaker 4] (2:44:33 - 2:44:33)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (2:44:33 - 2:44:34)
green number

[Speaker 4] (2:44:34 - 2:44:34)
so I

[Speaker 5] (2:44:34 - 2:44:34)
would

[Speaker 4] (2:44:34 - 2:44:34)
can

[Speaker 5] (2:44:34 - 2:44:34)
be

[Speaker 4] (2:44:34 - 2:44:34)
justify

[Speaker 5] (2:44:34 - 2:44:35)
40.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:35 - 2:44:36)
going over $50 for this barrel.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:38 - 2:44:39)
Just to say.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:39 - 2:44:39)
That

[Speaker 7] (2:44:39 - 2:44:39)
What?

[Speaker 3] (2:44:39 - 2:44:41)
I just got it.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:41 - 2:44:41)
such a pretty

[Speaker 5] (2:44:41 - 2:44:42)
It's always

[Speaker 4] (2:44:42 - 2:44:42)
face,

[Speaker 5] (2:44:42 - 2:44:42)
proposal.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:42 - 2:44:43)
and nobody's going to be buying it anyways.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:44 - 2:44:44)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:44 - 2:44:51)
I can't justify if 40-ish dollars is the dollar amount we're getting on average for a second barrel

[Speaker 4] (2:44:52 - 2:44:55)
then plus the $12 it's going to cost for the second barrel.

[Speaker 4] (2:44:55 - 2:44:55)
Like, no,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:55 - 2:44:57)
What is it? Are you saying 42 plus 12?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:57 - 2:44:58)
No.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:58 - 2:44:58)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:58 - 2:44:58)
No,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:58 - 2:44:58)
The

[Speaker 4] (2:44:58 - 2:44:59)
he said

[Speaker 8] (2:44:59 - 2:44:59)
42,

[Speaker 4] (2:44:59 - 2:44:59)
it's going to be close

[Speaker 8] (2:44:59 - 2:44:59)
42

[Speaker 4] (2:44:59 - 2:45:00)
to 12.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:00 - 2:45:03)
All right. So I'd like to make a I'd like to make a motion to.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:04 - 2:45:05)
$40.60.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:05 - 2:45:06)
That's for 22

[Speaker 4] (2:45:06 - 2:45:06)
So go

[Speaker 3] (2:45:06 - 2:45:06)
plastic

[Speaker 4] (2:45:06 - 2:45:07)
to 50.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:07 - 2:45:07)
bags.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:07 - 2:45:08)
I mean, I don't.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:08 - 2:45:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:09 - 2:45:10)
Nope. Nope.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:10 - 2:45:22)
I want to offset that extra five on the other side. So I would make a motion to do the extra 96 gallon recycling cart for $42.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:25 - 2:45:25)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (2:45:25 - 2:45:26)
Can you read where it came from?

[Speaker 6] (2:45:26 - 2:45:27)
Hold on.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:27 - 2:45:28)
Isn't the 42,

[Speaker 3] (2:45:28 - 2:45:28)
$46.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:28 - 2:45:30)
isn't the 42, 40-60.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:31 - 2:45:31)
Or

[Speaker 7] (2:45:31 - 2:45:31)
Forty,

[Speaker 4] (2:45:31 - 2:45:31)
less than

[Speaker 7] (2:45:31 - 2:45:32)
forty.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:32 - 2:45:35)
50 cents. I think $50 is reasonable because you're talking about an average.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:35 - 2:45:35)
But maybe maybe Alan's

[Speaker 4] (2:45:35 - 2:45:36)
you can make coming up with

[Speaker 8] (2:45:36 - 2:45:36)
tomorrow.

[Speaker 4] (2:45:36 - 2:45:36)
plus or minus.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:39 - 2:45:39)
Fine.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:39 - 2:45:40)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:45:40 - 2:45:40)
But

[Speaker 6] (2:45:40 - 2:45:44)
I don't I don't like I like round numbers so I'm fine with 50 and let's just uh

[Speaker 3] (2:45:44 - 2:45:52)
So anybody who's going to need a second barrel, you're assuming that they're going to put twenty two in one barrel and twenty two in a second barrel. You're completely undercharging. But Yeah. the

[Speaker 8] (2:45:52 - 2:45:53)
No, I'm just

[Speaker 5] (2:45:53 - 2:45:55)
no, we're going by your average that you just gave us.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:56 - 2:46:01)
average user doesn't fill up the container. If you need What? a second container, then you're filling up that first container, thereby

[Speaker 5] (2:46:01 - 2:46:04)
Perhaps, or maybe you just have oversized recycling that you haven't broken down.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:05 - 2:46:05)
I don't know.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:06 - 2:46:06)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:07 - 2:46:07)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (2:46:07 - 2:46:07)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:46:07 - 2:46:07)
know.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:07 - 2:46:08)
really think that's true.

[Speaker 4] (2:46:09 - 2:46:09)
It's

[Speaker 5] (2:46:09 - 2:46:10)
Big cardboard

[Speaker 4] (2:46:10 - 2:46:10)
plastic.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:10 - 2:46:17)
that you didn't cut and you can't, I don't have any idea, but I don't think you have 69 pounds is my guess.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:18 - 2:46:24)
I can't argue with the survey numbers that were taken on a national basis, so I don't know what to tell you.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:24 - 2:46:26)
National basis, it's Swampscot.

[Speaker 5] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27)
Right?

[Speaker 3] (2:46:28 - 2:46:28)
No,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:28 - 2:46:28)
You can serve

[Speaker 3] (2:46:28 - 2:46:29)
I have people – no,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:29 - 2:46:30)
in Swamp Scott.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:30 - 2:46:33)
there's multiple surveys that have been done.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:33 - 2:46:40)
This one happened to be one that the EPA backed that was a Washington state study for single-family commingled recycling at 126

[Speaker 8] (2:46:40 - 2:46:45)
Wait a cubic minute. So you're basing this on numbers that are not even Swamp Scott?

[Speaker 8] (2:46:45 - 2:46:46)
Is that what you're?

[Speaker 8] (2:46:46 - 2:46:48)
Please don't tell me that.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:48 - 2:46:49)
Absolutely I am.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:49 - 2:46:53)
This is – you know, there's a lot of data about national recycling.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:54 - 2:46:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:54 - 2:47:05)
It doesn't matter if you're using, you know, this is based upon a large residential component of people that were, the average household recycling,

[Speaker 3] (2:47:05 - 2:47:05)
which is cardboard,

[Speaker 3] (2:47:05 - 2:47:06)
glass,

[Speaker 3] (2:47:06 - 2:47:08)
plastics, office paper,

[Speaker 3] (2:47:08 - 2:47:10)
and like 15 different things all mingled together.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:11 - 2:47:12)
Uncompacted.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:12 - 2:47:13)
I'm kind of burying the lead.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:13 - 2:47:15)
Marianne was making a motion and I was

[Speaker 5] (2:47:15 - 2:47:15)
I second

[Speaker 4] (2:47:15 - 2:47:16)
just trying

[Speaker 5] (2:47:16 - 2:47:16)
Mary Ellen's

[Speaker 4] (2:47:16 - 2:47:16)
to wait,

[Speaker 5] (2:47:16 - 2:47:17)
motion.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:17 - 2:47:19)
wait, wait, Marianne, are you going to go to 50 seconds?

[Speaker 5] (2:47:20 - 2:47:21)
Nope, she didn't.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:21 - 2:47:23)
I didn't, but I will.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:23 - 2:47:25)
Okay, so what's the motion,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:25 - 2:47:26)
My motion

[Speaker 4] (2:47:26 - 2:47:26)
please?

[Speaker 8] (2:47:26 - 2:47:30)
is the extra 96 gallon recycling, second cart,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:30 - 2:47:30)
annual fees,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:31 - 2:47:31)
$50.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:32 - 2:47:33)
Okay, can I have a second?

[Speaker 7] (2:47:34 - 2:47:35)
I think Danielle did, right?

[Speaker 8] (2:47:35 - 2:47:36)
Danielle, I thought you did

[Speaker 5] (2:47:36 - 2:47:36)
Second.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:36 - 2:47:36)
it.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:36 - 2:47:40)
Okay, all, um, 10,

[Speaker 5] (2:47:40 - 2:47:40)
Roll call.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:40 - 2:47:41)
sorry,

[Speaker 4] (2:47:41 - 2:47:42)
10.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:42 - 2:47:43)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:44 - 2:47:44)
Wayne.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:44 - 2:47:45)
Nay.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:46 - 2:47:46)
Marianne,

[Speaker 8] (2:47:46 - 2:47:47)
Bye.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:48 - 2:47:48)
Danielle,

[Speaker 7] (2:47:48 - 2:47:48)
Bye.

[Speaker 4] (2:47:48 - 2:47:50)
I am a nine.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:50 - 2:47:53)
Okay, I appreciate and respect the nine.

[Speaker 7] (2:47:54 - 2:47:54)
I

[Speaker 8] (2:47:54 - 2:47:54)
It's all,

[Speaker 7] (2:47:54 - 2:47:54)
don't

[Speaker 8] (2:47:54 - 2:47:55)
I'm all good.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:55 - 2:47:58)
This is about having a healthy deliberation of conversation.

[Speaker 7] (2:47:58 - 2:47:59)
Appreciate

[Speaker 3] (2:47:59 - 2:47:59)
We don't have

[Speaker 7] (2:47:59 - 2:47:59)
all

[Speaker 3] (2:47:59 - 2:48:00)
to agree on it at all.

[Speaker 7] (2:48:00 - 2:48:00)
opinions.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:00 - 2:48:01)
And I totally agree.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:01 - 2:48:02)
And I appreciate all the data.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:04 - 2:48:16)
the time and energy you have spent on this there's been a lot you did provide a lot of data you did a lot of digging you tried to get the best information you possibly could and give us that information I appreciate that Mary Ellen the You're same

[Speaker 7] (2:48:16 - 2:48:16)
welcome.

[Speaker 4] (2:48:16 - 2:48:27)
you guys work very hard solid waste Nick was involved Gino this was a labor some intensive scenario and to open it up on situations that we have never had before

[Speaker 4] (2:48:29 - 2:48:32)
wanted to say on behalf of the board thank you both very much

[Speaker 6] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
Thank

[Speaker 8] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:48:32 - 2:48:32)
you.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:32 - 2:48:36)
I just want to say, I just want to make sure the board understands something very important.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:36 - 2:48:39)
One is I want to say thank you, Wayne, for all your work.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:41 - 2:49:06)
You really put an amazing amount of time, and thank you for educating me on a lot of this stuff. The board, we need to really think when we are moving forward with finances, whether or not we are going to have a trash fee or whether or not we are going to keep it in our levy. And that's something that you've got to be thinking about. So that's one question, and the next question is what is the true cost?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:07 - 2:49:07)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:07 - 2:49:08)
right,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:08 - 2:49:10)
Good conversation for another day.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:10 - 2:49:11)
another day.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:11 - 2:49:11)
When you are married,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:11 - 2:49:12)
I have

[Speaker 3] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12)
what

[Speaker 2] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12)
a spreadsheet

[Speaker 3] (2:49:12 - 2:49:12)
time

[Speaker 2] (2:49:12 - 2:49:13)
for that.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:13 - 2:49:14)
do you think we should,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:14 - 2:49:19)
I would just like to understand like to manage expectations about trash feed conversations,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:19 - 2:49:32)
how long do we predict that conversation need to occur because if we want to instill a trash feed by like if we want to have a conversation related to a trash feed that would be instilled in a proper time.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:33 - 2:49:36)
We're talking about what's the lead time,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:36 - 2:49:37)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:49:37 - 2:49:43)
ASAP. And the reason why it's ASAP is we're looking at,

[Speaker 1] (2:49:44 - 2:49:56)
when we look at our budget for next year, for 2028, we have to be honest about what is left is the unused tax levy. I mean, we have for the last two years.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:57 - 2:50:19)
significantly dipped into our unused tax levy and we're gonna have to really make some hard decisions on how we want to deal with it going forward whether or not we are just raising the levy and keeping trash in the levy or if we're removing trash out of it so I think that for anybody who watches these meetings you should be letting letting us know what what you prefer

[Speaker 4] (2:50:21 - 2:50:23)
Yeah, I think that was well put, and I

[Speaker 3] (2:50:23 - 2:50:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:23 - 2:50:38)
recall at town meeting this year I think the chairman of the Finance Committee had in his memo on the back of all the warrants that we should be having conversations about offsetting expenses and new revenue opportunities to help manage that fiscal cliff that we keep on.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:38 - 2:50:39)
pushing off a little bit more,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:39 - 2:50:39)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:39 - 2:50:40)
but not

[Speaker 1] (2:50:40 - 2:50:40)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:50:40 - 2:50:40)
off

[Speaker 1] (2:50:40 - 2:50:41)
you

[Speaker 4] (2:50:41 - 2:50:41)
an option.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:41 - 2:50:49)
also have to remember there there is a large percentage or there is a percentage of individuals, taxpayers, that do not receive this benefit

[Speaker 2] (2:50:49 - 2:50:49)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:49 - 2:50:50)
of trash,

[Speaker 5] (2:50:50 - 2:50:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:50 - 2:50:51)
you know, and

[Speaker 4] (2:50:52 - 2:50:54)
Uh I think that's a good point. Almost

[Speaker 2] (2:50:54 - 2:50:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:54 - 2:50:57)
every project that was permitted through the planning board in my tenure

[Speaker 4] (2:50:58 - 2:51:04)
Most single family homes receive trash. Almost every multi-family home greater than three units is private.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:04 - 2:51:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:51:05 - 2:51:05)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:05 - 2:51:05)
Uh greater

[Speaker 1] (2:51:05 - 2:51:05)
Well, the Condo

[Speaker 6] (2:51:05 - 2:51:06)
greater part

[Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
Associations

[Speaker 6] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
of the larger

[Speaker 1] (2:51:06 - 2:51:06)
also.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:06 - 2:51:07)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:51:07 - 2:51:08)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:08 - 2:51:14)
And the all of the associations are all private and so most of the multi-family except for single and duplexes, most not all, are

[Speaker 7] (2:51:14 - 2:51:14)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:14 - 2:51:15)
du are private.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:15 - 2:51:17)
Yeah, they have commercial.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:17 - 2:51:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:17 - 2:51:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:17 - 2:51:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:18 - 2:51:20)
It's very typical. In fact there's a um

[Speaker 4] (2:51:20 - 2:51:21)
It's a good thing.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:21 - 2:51:23)
state we there is a state-wide um

[Speaker 6] (2:51:23 - 2:51:32)
uh education process by the D_E_P_ trying to mandate um those commercial facilities to recycle because they're not mandated to recycle.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:32 - 2:51:33)
Interesting.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:34 - 2:51:39)
We actually had a senior who came up and asked Republic to pitch their building to make sure they do recycling.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:40 - 2:51:41)
Because they're not doing it right now.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:41 - 2:51:42)
I bet.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:42 - 2:51:42)
So

[Speaker 9] (2:51:43 - 2:51:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:43 - 2:51:46)
Right, well that's something we should be discussing a bylaw

[Speaker 8] (2:51:46 - 2:51:46)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:46 - 2:51:47)
as

[Speaker 8] (2:51:47 - 2:51:47)
requires.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:47 - 2:51:48)
far as requiring.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:48 - 2:51:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:51:49 - 2:51:53)
It's something that the SOLWACE, when my previous tenure for the last year,

[Speaker 6] (2:51:53 - 2:52:00)
the SOLWACE Advisory Committee has been trying to understand and I believe Emily has a survey that she's trying to put out to find out which.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:02 - 2:52:24)
multifamily unit properties actually are and are not recycling so we can you know I don't want to have to create a bylaw in order to force it I'd rather be a carrot versus a stick thing so if there's an individual one-off we can try to pursue educating on that versus having to do it but if there's if we're not having any success in that then there's

[Speaker 2] (2:52:24 - 2:52:25)
Why wouldn't we just

[Speaker 6] (2:52:25 - 2:52:28)
precedent other other towns and cities have done that as well

[Speaker 4] (2:52:28 - 2:52:34)
This just seems like something we would put in a zoning by-law for the approvals that they would do, like they have trash as part of the

[Speaker 6] (2:52:35 - 2:52:35)
I agree.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:35 - 2:52:48)
site plan of review. Um and whenever we do a multifamily or a subdivision we have to get a certified letter from the trash contractor that they're contracted to do all the private trash hauling. So I seems I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:48 - 2:52:48)
Can

[Speaker 6] (2:52:48 - 2:52:48)
What

[Speaker 1] (2:52:48 - 2:52:48)
you do

[Speaker 6] (2:52:48 - 2:52:48)
has that?

[Speaker 1] (2:52:48 - 2:52:49)
it Can

[Speaker 6] (2:52:49 - 2:52:49)
What it has

[Speaker 1] (2:52:49 - 2:52:49)
you do it

[Speaker 6] (2:52:49 - 2:52:50)
to happen to do that?

[Speaker 1] (2:52:50 - 2:52:51)
can you do it just from the planning board side?

[Speaker 4] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52)
I would

[Speaker 8] (2:52:52 - 2:52:52)
We

[Speaker 4] (2:52:52 - 2:52:53)
defer to

[Speaker 8] (2:52:53 - 2:52:53)
can

[Speaker 4] (2:52:53 - 2:52:53)
Nick, but okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:53 - 2:52:58)
look into all of it to see if it's just a zoning by-law change that can fall into the purview of the planning board,

[Speaker 6] (2:52:58 - 2:52:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:58 - 2:52:59)
Sounds good.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:59 - 2:53:02)
or if we need a by-law that can be enforced through health or building.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:02 - 2:53:04)
But that would be for all newly permitted,

[Speaker 4] (2:53:04 - 2:53:05)
all existing permitted

[Speaker 6] (2:53:05 - 2:53:06)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:06 - 2:53:08)
projects would be grandfathered into whatever the existing regs are.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:09 - 2:53:12)
Or unless we affected a by-law that moving forward,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:13 - 2:53:15)
or everybody that has multi-family has to offer

[Speaker 4] (2:53:15 - 2:53:15)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:53:15 - 2:53:15)
recycling.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:15 - 2:53:17)
you'd have to do that through a general by-law, but yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:17 - 2:53:18)
Right, right.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:18 - 2:53:20)
Right just mechanics

[Speaker 4] (2:53:20 - 2:53:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:20 - 2:53:21)
of it.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:21 - 2:53:21)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:21 - 2:53:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:21 - 2:53:21)
I hear you.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:21 - 2:53:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:22 - 2:53:23)
This is not on the agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:24 - 2:53:24)
No, I think we

[Speaker 6] (2:53:24 - 2:53:24)
it's not on the agenda

[Speaker 1] (2:53:24 - 2:53:25)
can keep to the agenda.

[Speaker 6] (2:53:25 - 2:53:25)
there

[Speaker 3] (2:53:26 - 2:53:27)
Well it is I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:53:27 - 2:53:27)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:27 - 2:53:28)
it's uh

[Speaker 1] (2:53:28 - 2:53:30)
it's covered. It's better in our solid waste services.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:30 - 2:53:35)
Yeah it would be covered under the agenda item but we will move on to discussion and hustle a little on the hot donor fee.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:36 - 2:53:42)
You guys did a lot of work last two weeks ago and crossed off some of these ICs so that's nice.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:43 - 2:53:43)
Um,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:44 - 2:53:48)
so I just want to, um, I

[Speaker 1] (2:53:48 - 2:53:49)
What does that say?

[Speaker 1] (2:53:49 - 2:53:50)
1.30?

[Speaker 3] (2:53:50 - 2:53:55)
just want to talk about probably the, uh,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:55 - 2:53:57)
I want to go a little bit out of order if that's okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:58 - 2:53:59)
The walkability,

[Speaker 3] (2:53:59 - 2:54:03)
the streetscape, and the synergy first.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:03 - 2:54:09)
I think walkability was something that I added to the discussion originally only because then in...

[Speaker 3] (2:54:10 - 2:54:31)
The Vinnin and Swampscott Mall project had such a focus on it and you know we are trying with parking being such an issue we want to try to draw people into the space and then have it be safe for them to be walking around the space without a vehicle so I don't know the more I hear residents

[Speaker 3] (2:54:32 - 2:54:42)
say just put the RFP out for the best thing and see what happens you know the more I'm intrigued by that thought that didn't know so

[Speaker 3] (2:54:43 - 2:54:48)
it seems like walkability streetscape sort of fall on the lower end of the totem pole where they're

[Speaker 1] (2:54:48 - 2:54:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:48 - 2:54:54)
nice to have what would not be required and if somebody came forward with a super fantastic idea I would reconsider

[Speaker 3] (2:54:56 - 2:54:56)
Time limit.

[Speaker 10] (2:54:56 - 2:55:09)
I think we should consider actually waiting a proposal that could combine all of the things that people keep mentioning to us on a regular basis, including the people that came tonight to public comment.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:09 - 2:55:12)
So a proposal that could combine...

[Speaker 10] (2:55:12 - 2:55:13)
Revenue generating,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:14 - 2:55:18)
open space and parking, and I'm just going to pick those three things,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:18 - 2:55:24)
would be weighted higher than one that focuses on just one of those items.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:24 - 2:55:29)
I think we should consider that as a guardrail, or a potential guardrail. A proposal

[Speaker 3] (2:55:29 - 2:55:29)
City

[Speaker 10] (2:55:29 - 2:55:34)
weighted higher that incorporates open space utilization,

[Speaker 10] (2:55:34 - 2:55:37)
parking and economic development.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:37 - 2:55:47)
Right? It might be a needle in a haystack, but saying that we would give more priority or emphasis to a proposal that can check all those boxes

[Speaker 4] (2:55:47 - 2:55:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:47 - 2:55:49)
might be something worth considering.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:49 - 2:55:50)
Like you could score

[Speaker 3] (2:55:50 - 2:55:50)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:55:50 - 2:55:52)
an extra point, like if

[Speaker 10] (2:55:52 - 2:55:52)
If

[Speaker 4] (2:55:52 - 2:55:52)
the category

[Speaker 10] (2:55:52 - 2:55:53)
you can combine

[Speaker 4] (2:55:53 - 2:55:55)
is all these three categories in and of themselves,

[Speaker 3] (2:55:55 - 2:55:56)
All three,

[Speaker 4] (2:55:56 - 2:55:56)
then

[Speaker 3] (2:55:56 - 2:55:56)
combined.

[Speaker 10] (2:55:56 - 2:55:56)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:56 - 2:55:57)
then you have an

[Speaker 3] (2:55:57 - 2:55:57)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:55:57 - 2:55:59)
omnibus category that you get a bonus point if you did all

[Speaker 10] (2:55:59 - 2:55:59)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:59 - 2:56:00)
of them.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:00 - 2:56:02)
If you can create a park and you can

[Speaker 10] (2:56:02 - 2:56:05)
You can create a parking component and a revenue produce all

[Speaker 6] (2:56:05 - 2:56:05)
Multipliers.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:05 - 2:56:07)
of them, all of these key factors,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:07 - 2:56:12)
right, because this is, we constantly are getting people giving us these three separate comments.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:12 - 2:56:13)
I don't want residential,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:13 - 2:56:18)
I do want you to sell it because I need the revenue and I need to park,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:18 - 2:56:19)
right. These are common,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:19 - 2:56:20)
three,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:20 - 2:56:22)
the top three common things I'd say,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:22 - 2:56:23)
right. So if we can find...

[Speaker 3] (2:56:23 - 2:56:24)
Yeah, but I guess.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:24 - 2:56:27)
I totally agree and align with that.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:27 - 2:56:31)
I guess the only thing I want to be clear about is what open space is.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:32 - 2:56:45)
I don't think we should define it. I really I think it should just be green space of s I think we should keep it fairly general so that we don't back ourselves into a corner any which way, but it does have to have a component of,

[Speaker 10] (2:56:45 - 2:56:50)
I don't know, walkable green space or whatever you want to call it or I don't know how to phrase it. But

[Speaker 4] (2:56:50 - 2:56:52)
But that's defining the open space

[Speaker 10] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
right there.

[Speaker 10] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:56:52 - 2:56:52)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:56:52 - 2:56:53)
we either

[Speaker 3] (2:56:53 - 2:56:53)
and I define didn't it I

[Speaker 4] (2:56:53 - 2:56:54)
it or we don't.

[Speaker 3] (2:56:54 - 2:56:54)
just want to

[Speaker 4] (2:56:56 - 2:56:56)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (2:56:56 - 2:56:56)
I think

[Speaker 4] (2:56:56 - 2:56:56)
I...

[Speaker 3] (2:56:56 - 2:57:03)
we have to define if you're going to give credit for it right because I think people will skirt the like the fringes and

[Speaker 10] (2:57:03 - 2:57:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:03 - 2:57:09)
be like oh well this you know these benches are open space like is that like and then you don't

[Speaker 3] (2:57:10 - 2:57:12)
Quantify it. I'm not saying we should quantify it,

[Speaker 3] (2:57:12 - 2:57:16)
but if you're gonna allow somebody to say I hit all three categories

[Speaker 3] (2:57:16 - 2:57:17)
If

[Speaker 10] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
We should

[Speaker 3] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
our

[Speaker 10] (2:57:17 - 2:57:19)
give guidelines saying how we

[Speaker 3] (2:57:19 - 2:57:19)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (2:57:19 - 2:57:19)
define those

[Speaker 3] (2:57:19 - 2:57:19)
it's

[Speaker 10] (2:57:19 - 2:57:19)
three.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:19 - 2:57:21)
our assessment of those three categories,

[Speaker 3] (2:57:21 - 2:57:22)
so we should somehow define them

[Speaker 10] (2:57:23 - 2:57:23)
Well that

[Speaker 6] (2:57:23 - 2:57:23)
So

[Speaker 10] (2:57:23 - 2:57:23)
that part

[Speaker 6] (2:57:23 - 2:57:24)
are we I are

[Speaker 10] (2:57:24 - 2:57:24)
haven't thought closer

[Speaker 6] (2:57:24 - 2:57:25)
we looking

[Speaker 10] (2:57:25 - 2:57:25)
about.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:25 - 2:57:25)
through like

[Speaker 4] (2:57:26 - 2:57:38)
You know there's active recreation areas there's passive recreation areas we are we looking through at a framework of sitting on a bench and green around greenery or uh uh I don't know, uh amphitheatre or some

[Speaker 4] (2:57:38 - 2:57:40)
walking trails or something of

[Speaker 10] (2:57:40 - 2:57:40)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:57:40 - 2:57:41)
that nature I mean

[Speaker 3] (2:57:41 - 2:57:43)
Yeah, I mean this is like the heart of the Hawthorne issue,

[Speaker 3] (2:57:43 - 2:57:44)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:57:44 - 2:57:46)
Because nobody defined it when we sold it to

[Speaker 10] (2:57:46 - 2:57:46)
Exactly.

[Speaker 3] (2:57:46 - 2:58:05)
town meeting originally so now we're defining it post everybody supporting it and so like this is the quagmire that we've gotten ourselves in and I don't think we're actually going to make everybody happy because I think if you pulled the audience of 300 plus town meeting members everybody would have come up with a different idea of what they thought.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:05 - 2:58:07)
I hope the space might have a term was used when they voted,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:08 - 2:58:13)
but if we could just give some guardrails enough,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:13 - 2:58:13)
right,

[Speaker 10] (2:58:13 - 2:58:14)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
and

[Speaker 10] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
Something,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:14 - 2:58:15)
since I'm

[Speaker 10] (2:58:15 - 2:58:15)
I think,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:15 - 2:58:15)
not saying

[Speaker 10] (2:58:15 - 2:58:15)
to try

[Speaker 3] (2:58:15 - 2:58:16)
we have to do that today,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:16 - 2:58:22)
we can sort of put pen to paper, come back next meeting with that idea sort of fleshed out more, maybe Nick can,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:23 - 2:58:28)
there's a couple RFPs out there that Brian provided that maybe did this once or twice that we can borrow.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:28 - 2:58:31)
I mean, nobody's saying we have to recreate the wheel here.

[Speaker 3] (2:58:32 - 2:58:34)
But as long as it sort of drives maybe we could come up with some examples

[Speaker 1] (2:58:38 - 2:58:41)
I totally agree that sort of if we hit those three marks,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:41 - 2:58:42)
It's like a bonus

[Speaker 1] (2:58:42 - 2:58:42)
that,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:42 - 2:58:43)
category,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:43 - 2:58:43)
yes,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:43 - 2:58:44)
right? That's what I'm, that's

[Speaker 1] (2:58:44 - 2:58:44)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:44 - 2:58:46)
the only weighting that I'm talking about.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:46 - 2:58:48)
I, you know, I haven't really, again,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:48 - 2:58:50)
I haven't quantified it in terms of how,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:50 - 2:58:52)
but it just seems to me that every,

[Speaker 2] (2:58:52 - 2:58:54)
the majority of people in this town have that.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:55 - 2:59:03)
those three difference of opinions and if we can try to make everybody give a little bit maybe that could be like a bonus weighted option

[Speaker 1] (2:59:04 - 2:59:06)
You know, when we say... Go ahead,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:06 - 2:59:07)
Mary, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:07 - 2:59:08)
Well, for me,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:08 - 2:59:12)
number nine, the synergy with the hotel in a commercial corridor.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:13 - 2:59:24)
is really paramount, because that's what's going to really drive the downtown area there, that it all it all works together. The walkability and the streetscape, I think

[Speaker 3] (2:59:25 - 2:59:33)
you know, I really don't uh have a whole lot to say about that, 'cause it is where it is, so you're gonna walk to it or you're not. The

[Speaker 2] (2:59:33 - 2:59:33)
Where is

[Speaker 3] (2:59:33 - 2:59:51)
streetscape, I think that's gonna be somebody's design or their idea. But the synergy in making sure that we can, you know, really solidify the hotel and get a healthy hotel is critical for the town. The one worry that I have is putting municipal parking on there.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:51 - 2:59:58)
And the reason why is if I'm a company that wants to say, listen,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:58 - 3:00:05)
I'll come in and build a X square footage facility that you can have restaurants catering, a function center,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:05 - 3:00:06)
whatever,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:06 - 3:00:08)
I need that parking.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:08 - 3:00:12)
So if I have to, if I look at that and say,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:12 - 3:00:14)
well, they're going to want municipal parking,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:14 - 3:00:16)
how am I going to have parking to...

[Speaker 3] (3:00:17 - 3:00:19)
uh support my business.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:19 - 3:00:19)
Is there is there

[Speaker 3] (3:00:19 - 3:00:23)
I'm I'm just worried if it would be a negative to the business whereas

[Speaker 2] (3:00:23 - 3:00:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:24 - 3:00:28)
Is it either technically or environmentally feasible to have underground parking?

[Speaker 3] (3:00:30 - 3:00:30)
It's

[Speaker 5] (3:00:30 - 3:00:30)
Uh,

[Speaker 3] (3:00:30 - 3:00:30)
very

[Speaker 5] (3:00:30 - 3:00:31)
for anything,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:31 - 3:00:31)
I think

[Speaker 5] (3:00:31 - 3:00:31)
it's possible.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:31 - 3:00:32)
it's cost prohibitive,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:32 - 3:00:33)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:00:33 - 3:00:33)
definitely.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:33 - 3:00:33)
cost prohibitive.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:33 - 3:00:33)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (3:00:33 - 3:00:35)
It's what we're talking about from

[Speaker 3] (3:00:35 - 3:00:35)
so

[Speaker 4] (3:00:35 - 3:00:35)
the developer.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:35 - 3:00:36)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:00:36 - 3:00:36)
I think.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:36 - 3:00:44)
spoke to somebody in Quincy who's putting in, I think the town of Quincy is putting in, what, $200 million garage down there, and every underground

[Speaker 2] (3:00:44 - 3:00:44)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:44 - 3:00:48)
space is estimated at $40,000.

[Speaker 3] (3:00:49 - 3:00:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:50 - 3:00:55)
But with that being said you'd somebody a geotechnical specialist would have to go there figure out what they'd have to do to get it there.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:56 - 3:00:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:56 - 3:00:58)
But the presumption would be it would be quite expensive.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:58 - 3:00:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:00:59 - 3:01:00)
I don't even

[Speaker 5] (3:01:00 - 3:01:00)
Likely

[Speaker 4] (3:01:00 - 3:01:00)
know if they have

[Speaker 5] (3:01:00 - 3:01:00)
cost prohibited.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:00 - 3:01:03)
the, I don't even know if the lot would be large enough to support

[Speaker 2] (3:01:03 - 3:01:04)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:04 - 3:01:04)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:04 - 3:01:04)
The structure.

[Speaker 4] (3:01:04 - 3:01:06)
the effort of getting in and out, you know.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:06 - 3:01:07)
You mean also the

[Speaker 2] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
Not

[Speaker 1] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
fact

[Speaker 2] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
that

[Speaker 1] (3:01:07 - 3:01:07)
that

[Speaker 2] (3:01:07 - 3:01:08)
big

[Speaker 1] (3:01:08 - 3:01:08)
it's

[Speaker 2] (3:01:08 - 3:01:08)
of a lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:08 - 3:01:08)
not landlocked?

[Speaker 4] (3:01:08 - 3:01:09)
That's what I mean.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:09 - 3:01:11)
What if it's not landlocked? Is it a retaining wall holding?

[Speaker 1] (3:01:11 - 3:01:13)
I mean, I don't know. I'm not a geotechnical engineer.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:13 - 3:01:16)
But to...

[Speaker 5] (3:01:16 - 3:01:17)
I have two responses.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:17 - 3:01:22)
But I don't disagree with Mariana's statement about the synergy to the hotel,

[Speaker 1] (3:01:22 - 3:01:37)
but could you align with the three prongs creating the commercial corridor synergy because we are weighing revenue and parking and open space like combination greater,

[Speaker 1] (3:01:38 - 3:01:39)
the combination of the three.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:42 - 3:01:42)
Say that again?

[Speaker 2] (3:01:43 - 3:01:43)
Mm-hmm

[Speaker 1] (3:01:43 - 3:01:59)
So by weighting all those three together and then essentially saying you're going to get weighted higher if you provide parking and have some sort of revenue producing ability on the lot,

[Speaker 1] (3:01:59 - 3:02:03)
are you not helping to blossom the commercial corridor?

[Speaker 1] (3:02:04 - 3:02:07)
I'm not sure that it exactly synergizes with the hotel,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:07 - 3:02:10)
but at least the commerce piece by

[Speaker 4] (3:02:10 - 3:02:10)
With the mutually

[Speaker 1] (3:02:10 - 3:02:11)
allowing for parking,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:11 - 3:02:12)
communal parking,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:12 - 3:02:14)
and driving revenue,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:14 - 3:02:15)
don't you think you're doing that?

[Speaker 4] (3:02:16 - 3:02:16)
exclusive.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:16 - 3:02:17)
I think that,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:17 - 3:02:17)
No.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:17 - 3:02:18)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:02:18 - 3:02:19)
I mean, can you say something

[Speaker 3] (3:02:19 - 3:02:20)
No, I'm

[Speaker 4] (3:02:20 - 3:02:20)
for the effect

[Speaker 3] (3:02:20 - 3:02:20)
looking

[Speaker 4] (3:02:20 - 3:02:20)
that at you're

[Speaker 3] (3:02:20 - 3:02:21)
it, I'm looking

[Speaker 4] (3:02:21 - 3:02:21)
synergizing

[Speaker 3] (3:02:21 - 3:02:21)
at looking

[Speaker 4] (3:02:21 - 3:02:22)
with the, no.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:22 - 3:02:23)
at it as a business person.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:23 - 3:02:28)
I mean, I've been in business a long time and if I'm looking at coming in and investing capital.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:29 - 3:02:30)
And you're saying,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:30 - 3:02:30)
well,

[Speaker 3] (3:02:30 - 3:02:33)
I'm going to weigh out municipal parking.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:33 - 3:02:44)
I have to say, how am I going to run a big serious business that's going to support this hotel and the rest of the corridor and I also have to provide municipal parking.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:44 - 3:02:45)
But here's the thing, you don't have to.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:45 - 3:02:45)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:45 - 3:02:47)
None of these are

[Speaker 2] (3:02:47 - 3:02:48)
Are absolutes.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:48 - 3:02:51)
and, in my opinion, should be absolute.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:51 - 3:02:53)
Because if we're doing that, we're dictating the outcomes.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:54 - 3:02:56)
I don't think any of us are commercial developers here.

[Speaker 2] (3:02:56 - 3:02:57)
No.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:57 - 3:03:13)
So if we are going to do that for one thing, we should have that conversation with multiple things. And I think w if we do that, we get into a rabbit hole. I don't disagree with you. If somebody puts in a great banquet hall here and needs to have that for private parking and they wanna put together a gangbusters plan,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:13 - 3:03:14)
Great. That's great. But

[Speaker 1] (3:03:14 - 3:03:14)
There!

[Speaker 5] (3:03:14 - 3:03:21)
if some 100% I want every idea on the table. But if somebody comes in here and says, I want to put something else here. Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:21 - 3:03:22)
you want municipal parking will give you 10 spots

[Speaker 2] (3:03:22 - 3:03:22)
Mm

[Speaker 5] (3:03:22 - 3:03:23)
if it gives

[Speaker 2] (3:03:23 - 3:03:23)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:23 - 3:03:24)
us plus one points.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:24 - 3:03:25)
I'd love to consider it.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:25 - 3:03:25)
Never

[Speaker 5] (3:03:25 - 3:03:26)
I don't

[Speaker 2] (3:03:26 - 3:03:26)
hurts

[Speaker 5] (3:03:26 - 3:03:26)
know if

[Speaker 2] (3:03:26 - 3:03:26)
a either little parking.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:26 - 3:03:28)
one of those is the right answer.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:28 - 3:03:28)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:28 - 3:03:32)
But I know it gives us more options to consider if we don't rule things out.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:32 - 3:03:34)
We just reflect what our priorities are and

[Speaker 2] (3:03:34 - 3:03:34)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:34 - 3:03:39)
then we can evaluate each respondent based on our priority.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:39 - 3:03:45)
So yeah, a banquet hall could get five out of five for revenue generation and synergy with the hotel and a zero out of five for parking.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:45 - 3:03:49)
But if it does some of the other stuff with it, it gets a better score.

[Speaker 2] (3:03:49 - 3:03:49)
Mm

[Speaker 5] (3:03:49 - 3:03:49)
The

[Speaker 2] (3:03:49 - 3:03:49)
-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:49 - 3:03:51)
inverse could be said.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:51 - 3:03:54)
I only wanted to just tackle back to the walkability for a second because you brought up.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:54 - 3:03:56)
brought up the design standards for Vinans where

[Speaker 1] (3:03:56 - 3:03:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:56 - 3:04:07)
the only real reason we did that there was 'cause we were trying to incentivise people to park their car out of the eight hundred and thirty seven spaces that they're about to be there for all the folks that complain there's not enough parking there. Um

[Speaker 4] (3:04:07 - 3:04:08)
830 seven spaces.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:08 - 3:04:09)
eight hundred and

[Speaker 1] (3:04:09 - 3:04:09)
Little

[Speaker 5] (3:04:09 - 3:04:09)
thirty seven.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:09 - 3:04:09)
plug.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:09 - 3:04:15)
Um to encourage people to park once and walk to everywhere else there and not move their car again.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
that's

[Speaker 5] (3:04:15 - 3:04:15)
don't

[Speaker 3] (3:04:15 - 3:04:16)
why you were calling walkability.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:16 - 3:04:19)
I don't think we have that problem on this site that's less than

[Speaker 4] (3:04:19 - 3:04:21)
I think less than half, maybe even a third of

[Speaker 2] (3:04:21 - 3:04:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:21 - 3:04:22)
the land area there.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:22 - 3:04:22)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:04:22 - 3:04:32)
So just since you brought it up, I just wanna provide the lens that the different lenses for the two parti parcells. What's the need, I mean quantified, was the parking need?

[Speaker 5] (3:04:33 - 3:04:33)
For downtown?

[Speaker 4] (3:04:34 - 3:04:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:34 - 3:04:34)
Huge.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:34 - 3:04:38)
I emailed you the parking survey during this meeting, so you'll see it when you...

[Speaker 2] (3:04:38 - 3:04:38)
I mean,

[Speaker 6] (3:04:38 - 3:04:38)
Which

[Speaker 2] (3:04:38 - 3:04:38)
I think

[Speaker 6] (3:04:38 - 3:04:39)
parking

[Speaker 2] (3:04:39 - 3:04:39)
we have

[Speaker 6] (3:04:39 - 3:04:39)
survey?

[Speaker 2] (3:04:39 - 3:04:40)
to think, too, of

[Speaker 5] (3:04:40 - 3:04:40)
The study.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:40 - 3:04:42)
having a hotel

[Speaker 3] (3:04:42 - 3:04:43)
Oh, do we have that?

[Speaker 2] (3:04:43 - 3:04:44)
sitting across the street that

[Speaker 5] (3:04:44 - 3:04:45)
The Senate seat again.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:45 - 3:04:47)
is going to necessitate parking,

[Speaker 2] (3:04:47 - 3:04:48)
right?

[Speaker 2] (3:04:48 - 3:04:49)
I mean, the whole area,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:49 - 3:04:51)
Well, they were talking about valet-ing as well off

[Speaker 2] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
true,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
-site,

[Speaker 2] (3:04:51 - 3:04:51)
right,

[Speaker 4] (3:04:51 - 3:04:52)
right?

[Speaker 2] (3:04:52 - 3:04:54)
but, I mean, maybe some of them, maybe not all,

[Speaker 2] (3:04:54 - 3:04:56)
I don't know, and the workers that are going to work there also,

[Speaker 2] (3:04:56 - 3:05:00)
you know, and we're trying to amp up the development and

[Speaker 2] (3:05:00 - 3:05:10)
and the commerce people are only going to come if they have somewhere to park. I mean, in theory it would be great if they all walked there, but, you know, we we have a parking problem without any of this extra

[Speaker 4] (3:05:10 - 3:05:10)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (3:05:10 - 3:05:10)
development.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:10 - 3:05:11)
hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:05:11 - 3:05:11)
Mm hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:11 - 3:05:13)
If we're looking for more, I mean,

[Speaker 2] (3:05:13 - 3:05:16)
that's all people talk about is parking.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:17 - 3:05:17)
I don't

[Speaker 5] (3:05:17 - 3:05:24)
And again, I don't think any I am certainly not expecting us to have spent seven million dollars somebody to come in here and put a four story L.A.Z. parking

[Speaker 2] (3:05:24 - 3:05:25)
No.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:25 - 3:05:25)
parking garage here.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:25 - 3:05:25)
Nope.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:25 - 3:05:27)
That's 100 percent not what we should have

[Speaker 2] (3:05:27 - 3:05:27)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:27 - 3:05:28)
there.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:28 - 3:05:28)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:28 - 3:05:32)
But if somebody is going to come in there and develop part of it, the Hawthorne Reeves plans,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:32 - 3:05:35)
I think had some of them have between 20 and 30 spots and say,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:35 - 3:05:38)
yes, these will be open to the public or the town can meet

[Speaker 2] (3:05:38 - 3:05:38)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:38 - 3:05:38)
or them or

[Speaker 2] (3:05:38 - 3:05:38)
even 10,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:38 - 3:05:38)
whatever

[Speaker 2] (3:05:38 - 3:05:39)
even 15.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:39 - 3:05:39)
it

[Speaker 2] (3:05:39 - 3:05:41)
You know, if you could give them that,

[Speaker 2] (3:05:41 - 3:05:43)
you can give them some green space and you can.

[Speaker 2] (3:05:43 - 3:05:49)
Then you can give them development of, you know, uh restaurants, cafes, you know, economic development.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:50 - 3:06:09)
But if it doesn't work for their business, they just don't get the plus five points or plus two points or whatever. I I I'm just a blank slate on it, I just wanna uh see what developers bring to us, but I think we just need to reflect our priorities in here, and I think it is a priority to have some form of municipal parking if it's possible for their business and if they wanna try and find a way to get extra.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:10 - 3:06:12)
bonus points or whatever we want to call it.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:13 - 3:06:14)
Okay, so I think

[Speaker 4] (3:06:14 - 3:06:14)
So is

[Speaker 1] (3:06:14 - 3:06:16)
we're the third go ahead, Wendy.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:16 - 3:06:23)
walkability really the conversation about parking versus walk is it we're kind of shifting I just want to make sure we're we're

[Speaker 3] (3:06:23 - 3:06:23)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (3:06:23 - 3:06:23)
kind of

[Speaker 3] (3:06:23 - 3:06:25)
I'm saying we don't need walkability in there.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:25 - 3:06:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:25 - 3:06:25)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:06:25 - 3:06:26)
I but

[Speaker 3] (3:06:26 - 3:06:26)
would

[Speaker 4] (3:06:26 - 3:06:28)
we know. need parking walkability to me is the is it's

[Speaker 1] (3:06:28 - 3:06:30)
Parking's already on here, it's number four.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:30 - 3:06:33)
but walkability should be removed as a non-issue.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:33 - 3:06:33)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:33 - 3:06:33)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:06:33 - 3:06:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:34 - 3:06:35)
that was my suggestion along with Mary Ellen's to just

[Speaker 1] (3:06:35 - 3:06:36)
That's fine.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:36 - 3:06:36)
fix it.

[Speaker 4] (3:06:36 - 3:06:37)
And number four

[Speaker 3] (3:06:37 - 3:06:37)
Should

[Speaker 4] (3:06:37 - 3:06:37)
was we used

[Speaker 3] (3:06:37 - 3:06:37)
take

[Speaker 4] (3:06:37 - 3:06:38)
to support

[Speaker 3] (3:06:38 - 3:06:38)
off streetscape

[Speaker 4] (3:06:38 - 3:06:38)
him.

[Speaker 3] (3:06:38 - 3:06:38)
too?

[Speaker 2] (3:06:39 - 3:06:39)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:06:39 - 3:06:40)
Isn't that a planning?

[Speaker 1] (3:06:40 - 3:06:41)
Well, I think

[Speaker 3] (3:06:41 - 3:06:42)
So that's covered.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:42 - 3:06:52)
Streetscape was one of the one of their committees design was to put some of the buildings on the sidewalk and there was a long historical conversation about why to do that.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:53 - 3:06:54)
It was a place making conversation,

[Speaker 5] (3:06:55 - 3:06:57)
but that was the lens they were looking at it through.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:59 - 3:06:59)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:06:59 - 3:06:59)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:06:59 - 3:07:00)
I think if we show no preference,

[Speaker 2] (3:07:01 - 3:07:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:01 - 3:07:02)
then we show no preference,

[Speaker 2] (3:07:02 - 3:07:02)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:02 - 3:07:03)
that's fine.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:03 - 3:07:07)
I think in the air of what we're talking about, or you know, in the vein of what we're talking about,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:07 - 3:07:13)
then we should leave it open. We should not dictate streetscape. We should let them come forward and we should decide from the pool of...

[Speaker 5] (3:07:14 - 3:07:14)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:14 - 3:07:14)
Um,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:15 - 3:07:19)
bidders, you know, what the best option is. Really the only thing we've landed on,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:19 - 3:07:20)
um,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:20 - 3:07:24)
is sort of like defining what we think open space is so that when we,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:24 - 3:07:26)
if we are going to create some sort of bonus.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:27 - 3:07:28)
combo of discussion

[Speaker 2] (3:07:28 - 3:07:29)
waiting.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:29 - 3:07:35)
points then we should be able to say that's the open space is X um when you're thinking about it.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:36 - 3:07:39)
And and in defining what the community use is because there's

[Speaker 2] (3:07:39 - 3:07:40)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:07:40 - 3:07:43)
there's open space but what are we going to actually be using it for

[Speaker 2] (3:07:43 - 3:07:44)
Maybe it's usable green space.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:44 - 3:07:45)
I don't know how

[Speaker 1] (3:07:45 - 3:07:46)
Yeah, I don't actually

[Speaker 2] (3:07:46 - 3:07:47)
The open space of recreation would

[Speaker 1] (3:07:47 - 3:07:48)
should be

[Speaker 2] (3:07:48 - 3:07:48)
define

[Speaker 1] (3:07:48 - 3:07:48)
dictating

[Speaker 2] (3:07:48 - 3:07:48)
it.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:48 - 3:07:53)
community use. I think if it's open space, it's open space, and we shouldn't dictate community use, but

[Speaker 5] (3:07:53 - 3:07:55)
Well, but we should dictate that it's public property.

[Speaker 2] (3:07:55 - 3:07:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:56 - 3:07:57)
Yeah, that's it.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:57 - 3:07:57)
Period.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:58 - 3:08:01)
And maybe maybe there's a conversation we have about if

[Speaker 2] (3:08:01 - 3:08:01)
Green space.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:01 - 3:08:05)
the town has preferential rights to I don't know, reserve it or

[Speaker 2] (3:08:05 - 3:08:05)
Water

[Speaker 5] (3:08:05 - 3:08:05)
I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:05 - 3:08:09)
I mean, maybe it's to the waterfront. Maybe it's to water views or something that

[Speaker 5] (3:08:09 - 3:08:10)
From the street as well.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:10 - 3:08:10)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:12 - 3:08:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:13 - 3:08:16)
I think we have to define it in some respect because I think if not, it just gets

[Speaker 4] (3:08:16 - 3:08:17)
There was

[Speaker 2] (3:08:17 - 3:08:17)
railroaded

[Speaker 4] (3:08:17 - 3:08:20)
some verbiage that Brian sent

[Speaker 2] (3:08:20 - 3:08:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:20 - 3:08:26)
this out. There was some nice verbiage in there that covers that. I agree with a number of things in this. I agree with it all, but I agree with a number of things

[Speaker 2] (3:08:26 - 3:08:26)
Same.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:26 - 3:08:28)
in this. And there were some parts of it that were actually,

[Speaker 4] (3:08:28 - 3:08:29)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:08:29 - 3:08:29)
Yep. I agree.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:29 - 3:08:29)
found.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:28 - 3:08:29)
Same. Yeah, I agree.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:29 - 3:08:30)
I found helpful.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
I think I

[Speaker 4] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:08:32 - 3:08:32)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:08:32 - 3:08:33)
don't want it.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:33 - 3:08:34)
you can take a couple of these off,

[Speaker 3] (3:08:34 - 3:08:34)
I know.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:34 - 3:08:35)
what we're saying.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:35 - 3:08:37)
That's what we're keeping notes, both of us.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:37 - 3:08:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:37 - 3:08:40)
So I think the only thing we haven't touched on is residential use.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:40 - 3:08:41)
We talked about that last time.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:41 - 3:08:44)
I thought we said, We talked about it without you. We talked about it last.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:44 - 3:08:46)
I think we wanted to table it to

[Speaker 1] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
have a don't full

[Speaker 1] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
think it

[Speaker 3] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
board

[Speaker 1] (3:08:46 - 3:08:46)
was a

[Speaker 3] (3:08:46 - 3:08:47)
here.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:47 - 3:08:49)
decision in the same way some of the other ones,

[Speaker 5] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49)
when

[Speaker 5] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:49 - 3:08:50)
you

[Speaker 5] (3:08:50 - 3:08:50)
Do

[Speaker 1] (3:08:50 - 3:08:50)
were going.

[Speaker 5] (3:08:50 - 3:08:51)
you have thoughts on it,

[Speaker 5] (3:08:51 - 3:08:51)
Katie,

[Speaker 5] (3:08:51 - 3:08:52)
that you want to do?

[Speaker 5] (3:08:52 - 3:08:53)
You weren't here,

[Speaker 4] (3:08:53 - 3:08:53)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:08:53 - 3:08:53)
right?

[Speaker 4] (3:08:53 - 3:08:54)
I mean,

[Speaker 4] (3:08:54 - 3:08:56)
I don't, I think that.

[Speaker 4] (3:08:58 - 3:09:25)
When this was not presented at town meeting that they the Health Workers Committee leaned heavy on residential use as the only way that a developer could afford to be able to create this sort of mixed use space right that I don't I'm not a developer I don't know if that's true I would prefer not to have residential here I think that is not what

[Speaker 4] (3:09:26 - 3:09:28)
The spirit of what was talked about a town meeting.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:29 - 3:09:34)
I think that I have a preference not to have it.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:34 - 3:09:36)
Am I saying it's a no-go?

[Speaker 4] (3:09:36 - 3:09:36)
No,

[Speaker 4] (3:09:36 - 3:09:40)
if that's what makes the best and highest use of,

[Speaker 4] (3:09:40 - 3:09:44)
I mean, I don't want a condo of $4 million homes here,

[Speaker 4] (3:09:44 - 3:09:51)
but if they're hitting the other things, but they need residential to take them to a certain spot,

[Speaker 4] (3:09:51 - 3:09:55)
I will consider it. I don't want to like narrow my choices,

[Speaker 4] (3:09:55 - 3:10:00)
but I do have not a great taste in my mouth about it.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:02 - 3:10:05)
So I am an absolute no on residential.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:06 - 3:10:10)
I think that with residential you lose more parking.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:10 - 3:10:14)
I think tonight we had an individual,

[Speaker 5] (3:10:14 - 3:10:15)
I'm so sorry,

[Speaker 5] (3:10:15 - 3:10:17)
I forget her name,

[Speaker 5] (3:10:17 - 3:10:27)
but Paula, Paula Claridge. what I mean I did agree with what you know what she said, I've heard this several times that once you have residential there also becomes

[Speaker 5] (3:10:28 - 3:10:31)
a feeling or a claim to the property,

[Speaker 6] (3:10:31 - 3:10:31)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:31 - 3:10:47)
and I think that's that's would be a negative a big negative in that area. So and I I believe that um I'm not a developer but I also don't think there was a developer on the Hawthorn reuse committee so I'm not really buying that you absolutely have to have residential there.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:49 - 3:10:52)
You know I'm just strictly for commercial.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:53 - 3:10:56)
and making something commercial work.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:56 - 3:10:59)
I don't disagree with anything that was said,

[Speaker 3] (3:10:59 - 3:11:05)
but I'm that's why I would prefer to score something that includes residential as a negative instead of a positive.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:05 - 3:11:06)
But to

[Speaker 4] (3:11:06 - 3:11:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:11:06 - 3:11:07)
that's what I was going to suggest.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:07 - 3:11:13)
your like if we go everything on a zero to five scale and then a multiplier, if it hits the three categories that we're wanting,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:13 - 3:11:18)
I'm fine with putting residential on there. But with the developer knowing they could get.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:18 - 3:11:35)
negative five points for having residential residential on there excuse me I just I don't want to cut our noses spite our face I agree with everything that Paula said and I've heard it from a lot of folks that you know if you're adjacent to a park and you live in a condo there there's a sense of ownership and we've heard that around town many many many times

[Speaker 5] (3:11:35 - 3:11:35)
But

[Speaker 7] (3:11:35 - 3:11:35)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:11:35 - 3:11:36)
I guess what

[Speaker 7] (3:11:36 - 3:11:36)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:36 - 3:11:36)
I don't

[Speaker 8] (3:11:36 - 3:11:36)
You

[Speaker 5] (3:11:36 - 3:11:36)
understand though

[Speaker 8] (3:11:36 - 3:11:37)
make a great point.

[Speaker 5] (3:11:37 - 3:11:41)
is though is if you're saying if you're going to if you're going to grade somebody negative why

[Speaker 3] (3:11:43 - 3:11:43)
Because

[Speaker 9] (3:11:43 - 3:11:44)
Why even have

[Speaker 3] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
I

[Speaker 9] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
it?

[Speaker 3] (3:11:44 - 3:11:51)
don't want to know if they are going to need that to present an idea that we don't even know of, we haven't even thought of, but it meets all of our other categories.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:52 - 3:11:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:52 - 3:11:54)
I still don't know if we would select that idea,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:54 - 3:11:58)
but we should be able to consider every idea without eliminating something off

[Speaker 5] (3:11:58 - 3:11:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:58 - 3:11:59)
the bat. So, again,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:59 - 3:12:06)
it is not my preference to have residences there. I don't think it's, I'm going to go on a limb and say I don't think it's anyone on this board's preference to do it there,

[Speaker 5] (3:12:06 - 3:12:07)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:07 - 3:12:09)
but it is our preference to get the best possible.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
possible project.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:09 - 3:12:16)
And that may mean residences are part of a proposal that we can score negatively or not choose.

[Speaker 3] (3:12:16 - 3:12:16)
But

[Speaker 3] (3:12:17 - 3:12:28)
I'm not in a decision now to say we shouldn't have something and that might limit the number of proposals and the quality of proposals that we get, 'cause I don't think we're at that stage yet and I just wanna get the ideas that we need to get to make an informed conversation.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:28 - 3:12:28)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:12:28 - 3:12:29)
I think that's a great point.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:29 - 3:12:41)
so I I I appreciate what you're saying and I think that was a good explanation. I I look at this as a hard no for a couple of different reasons. It's just philosophically it's both about, yes, people will feel as though they have ownership of a public area.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:42 - 3:12:45)
which I believe was not the intent of town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:46 - 3:12:49)
You know, it is a,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:49 - 3:12:54)
whether or not it's an open space or it's a commercial space, it is a public usage area.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:54 - 3:12:56)
And I want to leave it like that.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:56 - 3:13:03)
I think there's a strong sense of viability of bringing that in. I think we have...

[Speaker 1] (3:13:04 - 3:13:07)
You're not looking at creating affordable housing there.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:08 - 3:13:10)
You're looking at creating, you know, if it's housing,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:10 - 3:13:16)
it's something that's going to be something that's going to be accessible only to a very, very limited, you know, part of the population.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:16 - 3:13:28)
I was frankly upset 15 years ago when they put the Concordia in and blocked all the views and the fact that it was not used for some other public benefit in the business area.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:28 - 3:13:29)
So no,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:29 - 3:13:29)
I...

[Speaker 1] (3:13:29 - 3:13:30)
I just,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:30 - 3:13:33)
to me, it's just a hard no.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:33 - 3:13:34)
I don't want to...

[Speaker 1] (3:13:36 - 3:13:50)
taint the water if you will by even saying that it's a possibility there's too many there's enough variables as it is a ton of variables I mean a lot of variables let alone every voice in the community coming up with their own I think this is for me a hard stop

[Speaker 5] (3:13:50 - 3:13:57)
I think we actually should move tonight to solidify that and to come out and say no residential.

[Speaker 5] (3:13:58 - 3:13:59)
I really think that

[Speaker 10] (3:14:00 - 3:14:03)
We would debate this for weeks and months and months,

[Speaker 10] (3:14:03 - 3:14:06)
but at some point this body has to make hard choices,

[Speaker 10] (3:14:07 - 3:14:12)
and we can't be so waffling on every single one of these.

[Speaker 10] (3:14:12 - 3:14:17)
I think this is the one where we can definitively say we do not want residential.

[Speaker 10] (3:14:17 - 3:14:25)
Come up with some other grand plan that is fabulous that is going to produce economic development and give us some green space and some parking.

[Speaker 10] (3:14:25 - 3:14:25)
the parking,

[Speaker 10] (3:14:25 - 3:14:36)
but we're saying no to residential. I think we have to do it. I think we absolutely have to do it and formally do it. That would be my recommendation is that we formally take residential off the table.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:37 - 3:14:38)
Do I make a motion?

[Speaker 10] (3:14:39 - 3:14:41)
I don't, do we need a motion?

[Speaker 10] (3:14:41 - 3:14:41)
I don't know,

[Speaker 10] (3:14:41 - 3:14:44)
but that's my recommendation that we would not consider

[Speaker 1] (3:14:44 - 3:14:44)
If

[Speaker 10] (3:14:44 - 3:14:45)
residential.

[Speaker 1] (3:14:45 - 3:14:45)
you're just building consensus,

[Speaker 1] (3:14:46 - 3:14:46)
I would agree,

[Speaker 1] (3:14:46 - 3:14:48)
as I said before.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:49 - 3:14:52)
The way you described it, you could make a motion.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:53 - 3:14:54)
If you chose,

[Speaker 4] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54)
Here

[Speaker 11] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54)
but

[Speaker 4] (3:14:54 - 3:14:59)
you are you are able to make a motion by the duly posted agenda and

[Speaker 10] (3:14:59 - 3:14:59)
Well,

[Speaker 10] (3:14:59 - 3:15:05)
I would make a motion that we definitively say for this RFP, for the Hawthorne property,

[Speaker 10] (3:15:05 - 3:15:07)
we will not consider residential development.

[Speaker 3] (3:15:08 - 3:15:09)
I would second that.

[Speaker 4] (3:15:12 - 3:15:14)
Would you like to design more discussion or you want to take a vote?

[Speaker 10] (3:15:15 - 3:15:17)
I just think it's like we have,

[Speaker 10] (3:15:17 - 3:15:20)
we're going to debate this and continue to debate it as we should,

[Speaker 10] (3:15:20 - 3:15:22)
but we have been doing this for years.

[Speaker 10] (3:15:22 - 3:15:28)
And at some point the rubber has to meet the road and we have to give some serious guidelines as to what we want to see there.

[Speaker 10] (3:15:29 - 3:15:42)
Right and we can say we want to see great proposals and combinations of things and I'm all for all of that and not really trying to limit it but there are some things we have to limit we've heard Paula made excellent points tonight and to Wayne's point

[Speaker 10] (3:15:43 - 3:15:48)
Absolutely. You put any number of residential there and it becomes they own the entire area,

[Speaker 10] (3:15:48 - 3:15:48)
right?

[Speaker 10] (3:15:48 - 3:15:50)
And that is not the spirit of this thing.

[Speaker 10] (3:15:51 - 3:15:58)
This thing is gone from being an all of a park to I want it to be economic. It's not an absolute anything.

[Speaker 10] (3:15:58 - 3:16:02)
But one thing for sure I think people in this town do not want is residential there.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:02 - 3:16:03)
I think that.

[Speaker 10] (3:16:03 - 3:16:04)
You know.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:04 - 3:16:07)
But how do you know we can get the other things we want without including residential?

[Speaker 10] (3:16:08 - 3:16:08)
This is a

[Speaker 3] (3:16:08 - 3:16:08)
Well,

[Speaker 10] (3:16:08 - 3:16:08)
special

[Speaker 3] (3:16:08 - 3:16:09)
there's one

[Speaker 10] (3:16:09 - 3:16:09)
property

[Speaker 3] (3:16:09 - 3:16:09)
way to find

[Speaker 10] (3:16:09 - 3:16:09)
and

[Speaker 3] (3:16:09 - 3:16:16)
out, and it's to put out an RFP that says we can't have residential there, which is the number one way developers make their money on the short term, because it's a guaranteed.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:16 - 3:16:18)
So if we're saying we don't want residential,

[Speaker 3] (3:16:18 - 3:16:23)
we are limiting the ability of us to get the quality of respondents that that parcel deserves. And again,

[Speaker 3] (3:16:23 - 3:16:26)
I am not advocating for residential again.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:26 - 3:16:28)
I do not want to come off as a residential guy.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:28 - 3:16:36)
I'm not advocating for that I am just saying we should go into this asking for the best response we can't and then if we get a response that has residential we

[Speaker 10] (3:16:36 - 3:16:36)
Just

[Speaker 3] (3:16:36 - 3:16:36)
can

[Speaker 4] (3:16:36 - 3:16:37)
great and

[Speaker 3] (3:16:37 - 3:16:37)
we

[Speaker 4] (3:16:37 - 3:16:37)
negative.

[Speaker 3] (3:16:37 - 3:16:45)
can grade it negative and we can I don't want to say be mean to it but we can do whatever we want right we can evaluate it based on the merits but right now we're putting

[Speaker 12] (3:16:46 - 3:16:59)
And I agree in spirit, but I think we're limiting the ability of us to get a w to get the responses of the quality that we may want. We may not get any residential responses if we grade it negatively. I don't know, but I wanna see something on paper to grade,

[Speaker 12] (3:16:59 - 3:17:02)
not just the idea of what we think might work there.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:03 - 3:17:03)
I I

[Speaker 12] (3:17:03 - 3:17:04)
And I respect where you're coming from, so

[Speaker 10] (3:17:04 - 3:17:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:04 - 3:17:05)
we prob

[Speaker 10] (3:17:05 - 3:17:05)
yeah. No,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:05 - 3:17:07)
probably I'm just gonna have some disagreement, but that's

[Speaker 10] (3:17:07 - 3:17:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (3:17:07 - 3:17:07)
okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:07 - 3:17:11)
I mean, I I understand what you're saying, but I think that at the end of the day, um,

[Speaker 10] (3:17:12 - 3:17:24)
This is a needle in a haystack property that is going to require a really special out of the ordinary proposal to really satisfy what the property is worth.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:24 - 3:17:33)
And, you know, throwing up a couple of luxury condos is really just not in the spirit of what the people of this town want, right?

[Speaker 12] (3:17:33 - 3:17:34)
Agreed. So we

[Speaker 10] (3:17:34 - 3:17:34)
And should I think

[Speaker 12] (3:17:34 - 3:17:34)
choose.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:34 - 3:17:38)
at some point that has to matter a little bit more than we've given it.

[Speaker 10] (3:17:39 - 3:17:41)
credence to thus far, right?

[Speaker 10] (3:17:41 - 3:17:41)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:17:41 - 3:17:41)
Well,

[Speaker 10] (3:17:41 - 3:17:41)
don't

[Speaker 4] (3:17:41 - 3:17:42)
I think

[Speaker 10] (3:17:42 - 3:17:42)
know.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:42 - 3:17:42)
my.

[Speaker 4] (3:17:43 - 3:17:44)
I think my saying that you were,

[Speaker 4] (3:17:45 - 3:18:03)
the initial conversation that we started with saying that you're weighing this combination higher than anything else proposed shows like we're not just looking for condos. We're not looking for the Concordia at Hawthorne. We're looking for something that is going to be a renaissance for that area.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:03 - 3:18:10)
I think it's very clear if a RFP respondent is worth their weight in salt, if they're watching these meetings.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:10 - 3:18:24)
these meetings and they're hearing these conversations and what I don't want to do as I don't want to see residential but I also don't want to cut off my noses by my face and lose the opportunity to see something really spectacular and then say you know what it's not spectacular and

[Speaker 1] (3:18:44 - 3:18:48)
wonder why we can't draw the line in the sand after the responses rather than before we get them.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:48 - 3:18:58)
I would wonder whether or not we're confusing the ideation process to the people who have, the developers are going to be investing time in doing this.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:58 - 3:18:58)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:59 - 3:19:02)
And even if it's going to be a negative.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:03 - 3:19:09)
It's negative. It's something we've all agreed that we not just not prefer, but many, several of us, right, just don't want.

[Speaker 2] (3:19:09 - 3:19:15)
And I don't even want to g give a leash out that says, hey, maybe

[Speaker 4] (3:19:15 - 3:19:15)
Well maybe,

[Speaker 2] (3:19:15 - 3:19:16)
if you can do all this other stuff

[Speaker 4] (3:19:16 - 3:19:19)
well, 'cause then you're being enticed to maybe consider it,

[Speaker 2] (3:19:19 - 3:19:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:19 - 3:19:21)
and that gets away from the

[Speaker 2] (3:19:22 - 3:19:23)
I don't want to waste their time.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:23 - 3:19:25)
But if they're doing that, it's a

[Speaker 1] (3:19:25 - 3:19:27)
I guess if I'm if I'm go ahead. Sorry.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:27 - 3:19:28)
I just

[Speaker 4] (3:19:28 - 3:19:34)
I'm hearing everybody say I really don't want I don't want residential and we're hearing people saying I don't want a residential.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:35 - 3:19:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:35 - 3:19:38)
Well if you don't want residential I don't think we should put it in there.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:39 - 3:19:54)
I don't I I don't want to grade you negatively. I just want to be really clear we're not looking for residential and if somebody comes back and says this is a project we can do and it looks great but you need to have X amount of units as residential I still think that

[Speaker 4] (3:19:55 - 3:19:59)
No, it's not great because it's not going to work in that area.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
I mean, with,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:00 - 3:20:00)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:20:00 - 3:20:01)
But maybe

[Speaker 4] (3:20:01 - 3:20:02)
don't need to be a, wait,

[Speaker 4] (3:20:02 - 3:20:03)
let me, let me finish what I'm saying.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:03 - 3:20:04)
I don't need to be a contractor.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:04 - 3:20:09)
The fact is residential, if we have residential, we lose parking.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:10 - 3:20:12)
And we're saying here that parking is important.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:12 - 3:20:17)
We're saying here that economy is important. And in order to have.

[Speaker 4] (3:20:18 - 3:20:23)
Economy you have to have parking in order to have open space you have to have parking and

[Speaker 2] (3:20:23 - 3:20:25)
I think you also had height,

[Speaker 2] (3:20:25 - 3:20:25)
you

[Speaker 1] (3:20:25 - 3:20:26)
But

[Speaker 2] (3:20:26 - 3:20:26)
had...

[Speaker 1] (3:20:26 - 3:20:42)
what if what if the hotel came in and said we want to bid on that property as a ballroom, but we need six livable units there to make it doable for us and they're not even going to park there. They're going to park in conjunction with the hotel somewhere else. We're figuring that out with that problem across the street.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:43 - 3:20:51)
Like what if they came forward and wanted to do that and the and you removing the ability to have six units means their offers off the table because they can't make it work

[Speaker 4] (3:20:51 - 3:20:55)
But aren't they six units for a hotel isn't that in different category

[Speaker 1] (3:20:55 - 3:20:59)
No, but they what if they want to make them permanent residents like they have that at West Hartford

[Speaker 5] (3:20:59 - 3:21:00)
That's how you

[Speaker 1] (3:21:00 - 3:21:00)
They

[Speaker 5] (3:21:00 - 3:21:00)
do your

[Speaker 1] (3:21:00 - 3:21:00)
have a

[Speaker 5] (3:21:00 - 3:21:00)
permanent programming

[Speaker 1] (3:21:00 - 3:21:01)
residents guaranteed in the hotel

[Speaker 5] (3:21:01 - 3:21:01)
revenue

[Speaker 1] (3:21:01 - 3:21:02)
in West Hartford

[Speaker 5] (3:21:02 - 3:21:02)
on day one.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:03 - 3:21:06)
Because it's guaranteed revenue and it means coming in the door that they have,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:06 - 3:21:08)
they don't need the on-ramp,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:08 - 3:21:12)
they have something that's going to make them get through the lean part of the beginning.

[Speaker 4] (3:21:12 - 3:21:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:13 - 3:21:13)
I just,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:13 - 3:21:17)
I think something like that is really interesting,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:17 - 3:21:17)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:21:17 - 3:21:19)
And something like that could be really...

[Speaker 1] (3:21:20 - 3:21:40)
helpful to that area something like that is in synergy with the hotel something like that could have open space as a wedding venue something like that could have beautiful walkability and a fantastic streetscape and would potentially have building reuse or something like that but we're losing out on it because we said absolutely unequivocally no residential

[Speaker 4] (3:21:41 - 3:21:46)
So that is a really good point, but I guess I look at that as

[Speaker 4] (3:21:46 - 3:21:53)
A, I guess I look at that as a hotel use, not as a condominium use

[Speaker 1] (3:21:53 - 3:21:53)
For a shared

[Speaker 4] (3:21:53 - 3:21:53)
or

[Speaker 1] (3:21:53 - 3:21:55)
long-term living in those units,

[Speaker 1] (3:21:56 - 3:21:58)
then like that's residential.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:59 - 3:21:59)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:21:59 - 3:21:59)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (3:21:59 - 3:22:02)
That's-hmm. Four Seasons or the Ritz that have residents.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:02 - 3:22:03)
Yes, yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:22:03 - 3:22:04)
they have, you know, they

[Speaker 4] (3:22:04 - 3:22:08)
Okay, so then I'm changing my mind and keeping it open.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
Why

[Speaker 1] (3:22:09 - 3:22:09)
hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:09 - 3:22:12)
is it residential if it's like the Ritz? Like for rental?

[Speaker 4] (3:22:12 - 3:22:13)
But they have residences that

[Speaker 5] (3:22:13 - 3:22:14)
Residences

[Speaker 4] (3:22:14 - 3:22:14)
they

[Speaker 1] (3:22:14 - 3:22:14)
They

[Speaker 4] (3:22:14 - 3:22:14)
have certain

[Speaker 1] (3:22:14 - 3:22:14)
have residences

[Speaker 5] (3:22:14 - 3:22:15)
are

[Speaker 1] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
like

[Speaker 4] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
of

[Speaker 1] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
the

[Speaker 4] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
the hotel

[Speaker 1] (3:22:15 - 3:22:15)
penthouse

[Speaker 4] (3:22:15 - 3:22:16)
itself.

[Speaker 1] (3:22:16 - 3:22:16)
and.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:16 - 3:22:16)
They're

[Speaker 2] (3:22:16 - 3:22:16)
That

[Speaker 4] (3:22:16 - 3:22:17)
like Like permanent.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:17 - 3:22:17)
helps

[Speaker 7] (3:22:17 - 3:22:17)
there

[Speaker 2] (3:22:17 - 3:22:17)
finance

[Speaker 7] (3:22:17 - 3:22:17)
are Red

[Speaker 4] (3:22:17 - 3:22:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:22:17 - 3:22:18)
Sox players.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:18 - 3:22:18)
the finance

[Speaker 4] (3:22:18 - 3:22:19)
Like the Red Sox players.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:19 - 3:22:19)
Those are like time shares

[Speaker 4] (3:22:19 - 3:22:20)
Red Sox

[Speaker 5] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
though.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
players.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
No,

[Speaker 2] (3:22:20 - 3:22:20)
No.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:20 - 3:22:21)
not the residents

[Speaker 4] (3:22:21 - 3:22:21)
They're residences. They

[Speaker 5] (3:22:21 - 3:22:22)
in San

[Speaker 4] (3:22:22 - 3:22:22)
actually

[Speaker 5] (3:22:22 - 3:22:22)
Francisco

[Speaker 4] (3:22:22 - 3:22:22)
own

[Speaker 5] (3:22:22 - 3:22:22)
condos.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:22 - 3:22:23)
them.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:23 - 3:22:23)
They're

[Speaker 4] (3:22:23 - 3:22:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:23 - 3:22:24)
managed by Ritz-Carlton.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:24 - 3:22:26)
They're a licensed management company

[Speaker 4] (3:22:26 - 3:22:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:26 - 3:22:26)
through Marriott.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:26 - 3:22:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:27 - 3:22:28)
And.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:29 - 3:22:29)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:22:29 - 3:22:30)
Yeah. I still

[Speaker 4] (3:22:30 - 3:22:30)
just like that.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:30 - 3:22:31)
say no.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:31 - 3:22:32)
It's not in the spirit of why we bought the property.

[Speaker 4] (3:22:32 - 3:22:33)
I don't think it is.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:34 - 3:22:36)
I don't think Katie and I are disagreeing with that at all.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:37 - 3:22:38)
We just want to

[Speaker 1] (3:22:38 - 3:22:38)
We're

[Speaker 5] (3:22:38 - 3:22:38)
see options

[Speaker 1] (3:22:38 - 3:22:38)
not going to

[Speaker 5] (3:22:38 - 3:22:38)
and

[Speaker 1] (3:22:38 - 3:22:39)
say we

[Speaker 5] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
make

[Speaker 1] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
can't

[Speaker 4] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
have this

[Speaker 1] (3:22:39 - 3:22:39)
do that.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:39 - 3:22:41)
conversation until we Okay, have alternatives

[Speaker 2] (3:22:41 - 3:22:41)
hold it. Hold

[Speaker 5] (3:22:41 - 3:22:41)
in

[Speaker 2] (3:22:41 - 3:22:41)
it.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:41 - 3:22:42)
front of us.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:42 - 3:22:42)
Let's fair.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:42 - 3:22:57)
Let's let's play that out. Let's play that that that then the the paradigm out that you're suggesting and it comes in and says, you know, we can get this to work and there's residences there and maybe it's the definition of how many residences or what it looks like.

[Speaker 2] (3:22:58 - 3:23:00)
I'm still, I'm still going to be like, no.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:01 - 3:23:02)
That's fine.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:02 - 3:23:02)
That's

[Speaker 5] (3:23:02 - 3:23:02)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:23:02 - 3:23:02)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (3:23:02 - 3:23:02)
fine.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:02 - 3:23:02)
okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:02 - 3:23:03)
just saying,

[Speaker 5] (3:23:03 - 3:23:03)
That's fine.

[Speaker 2] (3:23:03 - 3:23:03)
I'm just playing

[Speaker 5] (3:23:03 - 3:23:04)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:23:04 - 3:23:04)
that

[Speaker 5] (3:23:04 - 3:23:04)
am totally

[Speaker 2] (3:23:04 - 3:23:04)
out.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:04 - 3:23:04)
fine

[Speaker 8] (3:23:04 - 3:23:05)
Is

[Speaker 5] (3:23:05 - 3:23:05)
with

[Speaker 8] (3:23:05 - 3:23:05)
there an

[Speaker 5] (3:23:05 - 3:23:05)
that.

[Speaker 8] (3:23:05 - 3:23:06)
amount of money?

[Speaker 2] (3:23:06 - 3:23:06)
Huh?

[Speaker 9] (3:23:07 - 3:23:07)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:23:07 - 3:23:07)
Well,

[Speaker 9] (3:23:07 - 3:23:08)
mean, I just...

[Speaker 1] (3:23:08 - 3:23:18)
as you're supposed to you could do that by leaving it open you're able to say no this is the use isn't great enough or so advantaging the community that I would consider residential that's fine that's your choice

[Speaker 5] (3:23:18 - 3:23:20)
And you should, right,

[Speaker 5] (3:23:20 - 3:23:20)
okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:20 - 3:23:25)
I think that, I mean, if you look at the area surrounding, there's six,

[Speaker 4] (3:23:25 - 3:23:31)
seven, eight maybe condo little associations like within a stone's throw of this thing. And I just.

[Speaker 9] (3:23:31 - 3:23:32)
That's pretty big.

[Speaker 4] (3:23:32 - 3:23:58)
that's all you hear from people in this town is that we can't it's taking away from the small town feeling of what even six units even eight units and I cannot get out of my head what Paula said because every time you go to Iceman's Beach you know there's a number of people that think you shouldn't be able to use that beach because it's they own it because they live adjacent to it like there I really do believe that point of putting a park there they this association will feel like they own it

[Speaker 4] (3:23:58 - 3:24:02)
And I think that takes away from what we're trying to do, at the heart of it.

[Speaker 4] (3:24:03 - 3:24:05)
I don't know. I need to think about this.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:05 - 3:24:06)
We would have to landscape design,

[Speaker 5] (3:24:06 - 3:24:09)
but I don't want to get down that rabbit hole,

[Speaker 5] (3:24:10 - 3:24:13)
but I understand the perspective, I agree in theory with it,

[Speaker 5] (3:24:13 - 3:24:17)
my only point is I would much rather have this exact conversation we're having with

[Speaker 4] (3:24:17 - 3:24:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:18 - 3:24:18)
With

[Speaker 5] (3:24:18 - 3:24:18)
something

[Speaker 1] (3:24:18 - 3:24:18)
certain

[Speaker 4] (3:24:18 - 3:24:19)
With proposals

[Speaker 5] (3:24:19 - 3:24:19)
to

[Speaker 1] (3:24:19 - 3:24:19)
finances.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:19 - 3:24:19)
look at

[Speaker 4] (3:24:19 - 3:24:20)
in front of you.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:20 - 3:24:21)
with a proposal, because again.

[Speaker 4] (3:24:21 - 3:24:22)
Yeah, I understand that.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:23 - 3:24:24)
I don't want anyone

[Speaker 1] (3:24:24 - 3:24:24)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:24:24 - 3:24:24)
to

[Speaker 1] (3:24:24 - 3:24:25)
don't know what I go am.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:25 - 3:24:30)
on to go on the Swampscott Times tonight and say Ted and Katie are advocating for condos

[Speaker 1] (3:24:30 - 3:24:30)
around We're

[Speaker 5] (3:24:30 - 3:24:30)
the senior our

[Speaker 1] (3:24:30 - 3:24:30)
not residential.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:30 - 3:24:30)
authority.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:30 - 3:24:31)
not doing that.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:31 - 3:24:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:31 - 3:24:31)
We're not.

[Speaker 2] (3:24:31 - 3:24:32)
We're not. No, I know.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:32 - 3:24:38)
You just want to have something to react to rather than to react to a concept that none of us have a professional experience to.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:39 - 3:24:43)
ideate what may or may not need to happen and I don't know that

[Speaker 4] (3:24:43 - 3:24:45)
So can we table this and talk about it?

[Speaker 1] (3:24:45 - 3:24:45)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (3:24:45 - 3:24:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:45 - 3:24:46)
we can.

[Speaker 4] (3:24:46 - 3:24:46)
because it's

[Speaker 1] (3:24:46 - 3:24:49)
We can think about it a little longer. Think about the examples that

[Speaker 4] (3:24:49 - 3:24:49)
10 o

[Speaker 1] (3:24:49 - 3:24:49)
were just

[Speaker 4] (3:24:49 - 3:24:49)
'clock.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:49 - 3:24:54)
given. Think about other examples and we can bring it back up. We have plenty of time. We'll bring it back up.

[Speaker 4] (3:24:54 - 3:24:58)
And people can call Ted and Katie and give their opinion on residential.

[Speaker 4] (3:24:58 - 3:24:58)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:58 - 3:24:58)
Yes

[Speaker 1] (3:24:58 - 3:25:00)
Or Mary Ellen and give their opinion.

[Speaker 4] (3:25:00 - 3:25:01)
Well, now Mary Ellen's been,

[Speaker 4] (3:25:01 - 3:25:03)
now I'm on the fence.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:03 - 3:25:06)
Yeah, Jack, Jack Dooley answers my calls

[Speaker 4] (3:25:06 - 3:25:06)
I'm hoping my.

[Speaker 4] (3:25:06 - 3:25:06)
Open

[Speaker 5] (3:25:06 - 3:25:06)
I'll,

[Speaker 4] (3:25:06 - 3:25:06)
-minded.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:06 - 3:25:07)
these days, so.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:08 - 3:25:08)
Very odd,

[Speaker 5] (3:25:08 - 3:25:09)
They

[Speaker 1] (3:25:09 - 3:25:09)
sorry,

[Speaker 5] (3:25:09 - 3:25:09)
can talk,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:09 - 3:25:09)
I can't answer my questions.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:09 - 3:25:11)
they can talk about Spider-Man all day.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:12 - 3:25:13)
All right.

[Speaker 1] (3:25:14 - 3:25:20)
let's we'll put this back on folks can come to public comment and convince us otherwise and we will move on to the consent agenda I

[Speaker 4] (3:25:20 - 3:25:24)
I mean, does it make sense for us to start having like public hearings about this thing?

[Speaker 10] (3:25:24 - 3:25:24)
No.

[Speaker 4] (3:25:24 - 3:25:25)
Is that a thing? No.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:25 - 3:25:25)
No.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:25 - 3:25:26)
I think

[Speaker 1] (3:25:26 - 3:25:26)
mean

[Speaker 10] (3:25:26 - 3:25:28)
we've done enough public hearings.

[Speaker 10] (3:25:29 - 3:25:32)
I think now we have to make the big decisions.

[Speaker 4] (3:25:32 - 3:25:36)
Because we're just, I mean, we're asking people to come to what, public comment and comment?

[Speaker 1] (3:25:36 - 3:25:40)
no I'm just making a joke like if you didn't like what you just heard you're always welcome to come to public

[Speaker 1] (3:25:40 - 3:25:41)
all the comment

[Speaker 10] (3:25:41 - 3:25:41)
No,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:41 - 3:25:41)
I didn't

[Speaker 10] (3:25:41 - 3:25:41)
no, I'm

[Speaker 1] (3:25:41 - 3:25:41)
even get

[Speaker 10] (3:25:41 - 3:25:41)
saying

[Speaker 1] (3:25:41 - 3:25:42)
to have

[Speaker 10] (3:25:42 - 3:25:42)
that,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:42 - 3:25:42)
a lot

[Speaker 10] (3:25:42 - 3:25:42)
does it,

[Speaker 1] (3:25:42 - 3:25:43)
public engagement

[Speaker 10] (3:25:43 - 3:25:43)
does

[Speaker 2] (3:25:43 - 3:25:44)
it I like

[Speaker 10] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
make sense

[Speaker 2] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
how we're

[Speaker 10] (3:25:44 - 3:25:44)
for us?

[Speaker 2] (3:25:44 - 3:25:47)
doing this in an iterative process because

[Speaker 5] (3:25:47 - 3:25:47)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:47 - 3:25:50)
it does give the public an opportunity when they see it on the agenda to come and speak to it.

[Speaker 2] (3:25:51 - 3:25:51)
So

[Speaker 10] (3:25:51 - 3:25:52)
Is that enough?

[Speaker 2] (3:25:52 - 3:25:58)
I think so and they're free to contact us as well and we've got a committee report, we've got five years of data,

[Speaker 10] (3:25:58 - 3:25:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:58 - 3:25:58)
But

[Speaker 2] (3:25:58 - 3:25:58)
but also

[Speaker 5] (3:25:58 - 3:25:58)
let's

[Speaker 2] (3:25:58 - 3:25:58)
let's not forget.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:58 - 3:26:05)
not forget Nick and staff have to go take these conversations, do the laborious work of figuring out how to put it in a rubric and an RFP format.

[Speaker 5] (3:26:05 - 3:26:09)
format for us then to come read once, wait two weeks,

[Speaker 10] (3:26:09 - 3:26:09)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:26:09 - 3:26:11)
read again, get public comment on both of those

[Speaker 10] (3:26:11 - 3:26:11)
times. Right, right.

[Speaker 5] (3:26:11 - 3:26:12)
So there is

[Speaker 10] (3:26:12 - 3:26:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:26:12 - 3:26:12)
a significant

[Speaker 1] (3:26:12 - 3:26:13)
Yeah, because there's

[Speaker 5] (3:26:13 - 3:26:13)
runway

[Speaker 1] (3:26:13 - 3:26:13)
a lot of,

[Speaker 5] (3:26:13 - 3:26:14)
we have in front of us.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:14 - 3:26:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:15 - 3:26:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:16 - 3:26:20)
Can I, can we go back to the one we started with, which was synergy with hotel commercial corridor?

[Speaker 2] (3:26:21 - 3:26:22)
Just for,

[Speaker 1] (3:26:22 - 3:26:23)
Did we start with that one?

[Speaker 2] (3:26:23 - 3:26:24)
that's the one we started

[Speaker 10] (3:26:24 - 3:26:24)
Can

[Speaker 2] (3:26:24 - 3:26:24)
with,

[Speaker 10] (3:26:24 - 3:26:24)
I...

[Speaker 2] (3:26:24 - 3:26:25)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:26:25 - 3:26:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:25 - 3:26:27)
So just to be clear, we removed the walkability issue.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:28 - 3:26:31)
Streetscape, we kind of shifted off that without.

[Speaker 2] (3:26:32 - 3:26:36)
Me kind of getting a better understanding what you meant by streetscape in general when

[Speaker 4] (3:26:36 - 3:26:36)
Did

[Speaker 2] (3:26:36 - 3:26:36)
you first you proposed

[Speaker 4] (3:26:36 - 3:26:36)
ever go through

[Speaker 2] (3:26:36 - 3:26:36)
it?

[Speaker 4] (3:26:36 - 3:26:37)
that too?

[Speaker 4] (3:26:37 - 3:26:37)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:37 - 3:26:37)
Like

[Speaker 2] (3:26:37 - 3:26:37)
We did

[Speaker 1] (3:26:37 - 3:26:39)
where the building is located on the lot.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:39 - 3:26:41)
Why does that matter?

[Speaker 10] (3:26:41 - 3:26:42)
Why do we have to judge that?

[Speaker 10] (3:26:42 - 3:26:43)
Why wouldn't we just...

[Speaker 1] (3:26:43 - 3:26:44)
Well, we don't. We

[Speaker 2] (3:26:44 - 3:26:44)
That

[Speaker 1] (3:26:44 - 3:26:44)
can just was move

[Speaker 2] (3:26:44 - 3:26:46)
that I'm just making sure I understood coming

[Speaker 10] (3:26:46 - 3:26:46)
So can

[Speaker 2] (3:26:46 - 3:26:46)
close

[Speaker 10] (3:26:46 - 3:26:47)
we take that off?

[Speaker 4] (3:26:47 - 3:26:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:47 - 3:26:48)
We can.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:48 - 3:26:49)
Yeah, I thought that's what we decided.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:49 - 3:26:49)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:26:49 - 3:26:50)
Sorry,

[Speaker 10] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
think

[Speaker 1] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
I thought.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
so.

[Speaker 10] (3:26:50 - 3:26:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:26:51 - 3:26:52)
I thought we

[Speaker 5] (3:26:52 - 3:26:52)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:26:52 - 3:26:52)
had

[Speaker 5] (3:26:52 - 3:26:52)
think

[Speaker 1] (3:26:52 - 3:26:52)
said

[Speaker 5] (3:26:52 - 3:26:52)
they're,

[Speaker 1] (3:26:52 - 3:26:52)
let

[Speaker 5] (3:26:52 - 3:26:53)
they're,

[Speaker 1] (3:26:53 - 3:26:57)
them do what they're going to do and then we'll see what it looks like and if we hate it, we hate it.

[Speaker 4] (3:26:57 - 3:27:01)
So if you like what does that leave? What is actually left if we take

[Speaker 2] (3:27:01 - 3:27:01)
Open space.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:01 - 3:27:02)
any of these things out?

[Speaker 5] (3:27:02 - 3:27:03)
It's not that we took,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:03 - 3:27:05)
do you mean what does it leave to discuss?

[Speaker 4] (3:27:05 - 3:27:11)
Well, what are we, you know, what is the the areas that we're still really talking about? Is it residential open space, sinergy

[Speaker 1] (3:27:11 - 3:27:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:11 - 3:27:13)
and parking?

[Speaker 4] (3:27:13 - 3:27:14)
Or no?

[Speaker 4] (3:27:14 - 3:27:15)
Do I have that right?

[Speaker 1] (3:27:15 - 3:27:16)
No, I think we,

[Speaker 4] (3:27:16 - 3:27:16)
We're building

[Speaker 1] (3:27:16 - 3:27:16)
we

[Speaker 4] (3:27:16 - 3:27:16)
demolition

[Speaker 1] (3:27:16 - 3:27:17)
do have.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:17 - 3:27:17)
still?

[Speaker 1] (3:27:18 - 3:27:25)
No, I think you I mean they're crossed off because Town Hall staff felt like you came to conclusions in the last meeting So is that not the case?

[Speaker 4] (3:27:25 - 3:27:27)
I don't know about the building use versus demolition.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:28 - 3:27:30)
We briefly talked about that, but didn't come to it.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:31 - 3:27:33)
I think that one might still be on there.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:33 - 3:27:34)
In environmental standards?

[Speaker 1] (3:27:34 - 3:27:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:34 - 3:27:35)
I'm trying to remember.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
That

[Speaker 5] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
We need

[Speaker 2] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
We

[Speaker 4] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
was

[Speaker 5] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
took

[Speaker 2] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
to

[Speaker 4] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
not

[Speaker 5] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
need that

[Speaker 11] (3:27:35 - 3:27:35)
environmental

[Speaker 4] (3:27:35 - 3:27:36)
on.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:36 - 3:27:37)
standards is

[Speaker 4] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37)
We

[Speaker 11] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37)
we already

[Speaker 4] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37)
took

[Speaker 11] (3:27:37 - 3:27:37)
we already have

[Speaker 4] (3:27:37 - 3:27:38)
that off.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:38 - 3:27:40)
to be have we have the stretch plus

[Speaker 4] (3:27:40 - 3:27:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:40 - 3:27:40)
for

[Speaker 12] (3:27:40 - 3:27:40)
That

[Speaker 11] (3:27:40 - 3:27:40)
that acceptable

[Speaker 12] (3:27:40 - 3:27:41)
was a okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:41 - 3:27:43)
we don't need it to be passive house if that's not what

[Speaker 4] (3:27:43 - 3:27:44)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:44 - 3:27:47)
in the HERS code every year that we wait the HERS code gets tighter so

[Speaker 4] (3:27:47 - 3:27:47)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (3:27:47 - 3:27:50)
it'll the building is getting better and better

[Speaker 2] (3:27:50 - 3:27:56)
I thought it was not about the energy consumption. I thought it was about the general environmental standards

[Speaker 12] (3:27:56 - 3:27:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:27:56 - 3:27:57)
of okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:57 - 3:27:58)
A

[Speaker 4] (3:27:58 - 3:27:58)
So it's

[Speaker 5] (3:27:58 - 3:27:58)
walk.

[Speaker 4] (3:27:58 - 3:28:04)
really residential open space parking and building use versus demolition, right?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:04 - 3:28:19)
Yeah and I think what I think what we had said earlier was this idea of like open space revenue producing and parking and getting some sort of bonus you know thought from us and therefore that would prioritize it for any respondent.

[Speaker 2] (3:28:27 - 3:28:45)
if residential will be considered at all, then I think we need to define what open space is a little bit better than we have so that they can understand if they do try to get to that, you know, trifecta that they are following what we believe to answer that call.

[Speaker 3] (3:28:45 - 3:28:52)
Do we need do we need to provide a preference in terms of what the commercial space is going to be other than just synergy do we need and I'm not saying

[Speaker 3] (3:28:53 - 3:29:05)
that it's good I'm just I'm just throwing this out, right? I'm not exactly sure wha what how to manage this part of it, but if we have a preference from types uh uh of the type of commercial entities we might want to see

[Speaker 3] (3:29:07 - 3:29:10)
Is there a preference that we can grade that on?

[Speaker 3] (3:29:10 - 3:29:12)
In other words, some people may want to see restaurants,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:12 - 3:29:14)
someone may want to see an art gallery,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:14 - 3:29:17)
some may want to see, you know, an open market.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:17 - 3:29:21)
I'm just saying there's been things that have been proposed over the years.

[Speaker 3] (3:29:21 - 3:29:26)
Do we place these as, you know, they're not hard lines,

[Speaker 3] (3:29:26 - 3:29:30)
but do we place them as possible suggestive options?

[Speaker 2] (3:29:31 - 3:29:32)
I'm not a developer,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:32 - 3:29:34)
but I think what happens,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:34 - 3:29:35)
and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:36 - 3:29:39)
is that you decide how big the building is, you break it up into spaces,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:39 - 3:29:40)
and then you go out and find tenants.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:41 - 3:29:45)
You're not necessarily going to know when you bid on the RFP who your tenants are.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:46 - 3:29:47)
So I think it would,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:47 - 3:29:48)
again,

[Speaker 2] (3:29:48 - 3:29:55)
if we're talking about restricting a response to make somebody tell you in advance that they're going to have...

[Speaker 2] (3:29:55 - 3:29:55)
four

[Speaker 4] (3:29:55 - 3:29:56)
Yeah, parts

[Speaker 2] (3:29:56 - 3:29:56)
parts

[Speaker 4] (3:29:56 - 3:29:56)
true.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:56 - 3:29:58)
shops cultural tenant and

[Speaker 3] (3:29:58 - 3:29:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:29:58 - 3:30:00)
a restaurant like they can they can sort of give

[Speaker 4] (3:30:00 - 3:30:01)
Drive

[Speaker 2] (3:30:01 - 3:30:01)
us some ideas

[Speaker 4] (3:30:01 - 3:30:01)
-by music.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:01 - 3:30:14)
of the directions that I think you know unless there's something you don't want to see there like a pot shop or something like that then I don't think that'd be our view but I don't think we want to

[Speaker 5] (3:30:15 - 3:30:16)
It's more tax revenue.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:16 - 3:30:17)
Dedicate that.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:17 - 3:30:18)
Six pot shops,

[Speaker 5] (3:30:18 - 3:30:18)
Just

[Speaker 3] (3:30:18 - 3:30:18)
that's

[Speaker 5] (3:30:18 - 3:30:18)
get

[Speaker 3] (3:30:18 - 3:30:18)
what we

[Speaker 5] (3:30:18 - 3:30:19)
that on

[Speaker 3] (3:30:19 - 3:30:19)
need.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:19 - 3:30:19)
record.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:20 - 3:30:21)
A liquor store?

[Speaker 5] (3:30:21 - 3:30:21)
And a 99

[Speaker 6] (3:30:21 - 3:30:22)
That's not

[Speaker 5] (3:30:22 - 3:30:22)
and

[Speaker 6] (3:30:22 - 3:30:22)
that's

[Speaker 5] (3:30:22 - 3:30:22)
a bank.

[Speaker 6] (3:30:22 - 3:30:23)
not what we need.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:23 - 3:30:23)
That would be great.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:24 - 3:30:25)
Everybody will be

[Speaker 2] (3:30:25 - 3:30:27)
I don't know how many licenses we have left, so

[Speaker 5] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
don't

[Speaker 2] (3:30:27 - 3:30:27)
not really

[Speaker 5] (3:30:27 - 3:30:28)
think we have any left.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:29 - 3:30:30)
So there you go.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:30 - 3:30:31)
On marijuana?

[Speaker 6] (3:30:31 - 3:30:35)
The the you the use is going to be dictated by the use table in the zoning language because we can't

[Speaker 2] (3:30:35 - 3:30:35)
There

[Speaker 6] (3:30:35 - 3:30:35)
permit

[Speaker 2] (3:30:35 - 3:30:36)
you go

[Speaker 6] (3:30:36 - 3:30:40)
a use that's not permitted anyway And I understand your point should we refine that funnel but

[Speaker 5] (3:30:40 - 3:30:41)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 6] (3:30:41 - 3:30:41)
I can't

[Speaker 5] (3:30:41 - 3:30:42)
don't know

[Speaker 6] (3:30:42 - 3:30:42)
hear.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:42 - 3:30:42)
if you really can.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:43 - 3:30:44)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 6] (3:30:44 - 3:30:46)
I would be concerned about the same thing that I already before

[Speaker 5] (3:30:46 - 3:30:46)
So, yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:30:46 - 3:30:46)
like

[Speaker 5] (3:30:46 - 3:30:46)
right.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:46 - 3:30:47)
So, right.

[Speaker 2] (3:30:47 - 3:30:47)
what I'm saying.

[Speaker 3] (3:30:47 - 3:30:49)
So to Katie's point, you have the building envelope,

[Speaker 3] (3:30:49 - 3:30:50)
right?

[Speaker 3] (3:30:50 - 3:30:58)
And you can make that do many different things. But if we said, you know, we would be wanting a large restaurant like

[Speaker 3] (3:30:59 - 3:31:07)
I'm not saying that's what we want, but you're gonna have to actually define that as a a larger proportional space that has commercial kitchen capabilities, which is kind

[Speaker 5] (3:31:07 - 3:31:07)
Oh

[Speaker 3] (3:31:07 - 3:31:07)
of

[Speaker 5] (3:31:07 - 3:31:07)
my God.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:09 - 3:31:09)
I think we're

[Speaker 3] (3:31:09 - 3:31:10)
Not saying that's what I'm suggesting,

[Speaker 2] (3:31:10 - 3:31:11)
yeah, only

[Speaker 3] (3:31:11 - 3:31:12)
but you have to define that just in

[Speaker 3] (3:31:13 - 3:31:13)
At the development

[Speaker 2] (3:31:13 - 3:31:14)
I just think

[Speaker 3] (3:31:14 - 3:31:14)
level.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:14 - 3:31:38)
like when you bid out a project like this and you're building it and then you're thinking about tenancy and revenue over you know your schedule to figure out if you're making your money back in the time frame that your bar you know whatever you borrow you need to make back like we need to make sure that sort of everything is open for the ability to have success and I don't think like it makes sense for the four of us to sit here and dictate.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:39 - 3:31:44)
what we want to see there over what can be there.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:44 - 3:31:44)
Fair

[Speaker 2] (3:31:44 - 3:31:44)
Do you

[Speaker 3] (3:31:44 - 3:31:44)
enough.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:44 - 3:31:45)
know what I mean? Like, I just,

[Speaker 3] (3:31:45 - 3:31:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:45 - 3:31:45)
It's

[Speaker 2] (3:31:45 - 3:31:45)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:45 - 3:31:46)
the same argument.

[Speaker 3] (3:31:46 - 3:31:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:46 - 3:31:47)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (3:31:48 - 3:31:50)
There's five of us debating this point though, Katie.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:50 - 3:31:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:50 - 3:31:50)
So it's

[Speaker 2] (3:31:50 - 3:31:51)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (3:31:51 - 3:31:51)
So 10

[Speaker 2] (3:31:51 - 3:31:51)
I'm advocating

[Speaker 5] (3:31:51 - 3:31:52)
o'clock.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:52 - 3:31:52)
for

[Speaker 3] (3:31:52 - 3:31:52)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (3:31:52 - 3:31:52)
synergy.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:52 - 3:31:52)
It's

[Speaker 3] (3:31:52 - 3:31:53)
okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:53 - 3:31:55)
10 o'clock. It's 10 o'clock.

[Speaker 2] (3:31:55 - 3:31:56)
Thanks, Marianne.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:56 - 3:31:57)
It's 10. Is anybody?

[Speaker 5] (3:31:57 - 3:31:58)
I think.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:00 - 3:32:02)
we'll take this conversation again, it's not done,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:02 - 3:32:07)
and we've given the takeaways that we hope to talk about. People could try to define open space,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:08 - 3:32:16)
looking Wayne, not Wayne, Brian's RFP, I think he has a definition in there. We can try to see what we have going on there,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:17 - 3:32:19)
and then let's move on to the consent agenda, please.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:19 - 3:32:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:20 - 3:32:23)
Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:23 - 3:32:23)
Second.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:24 - 3:32:25)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (3:32:25 - 3:32:26)
I.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
All in

[Speaker 5] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
no,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
favor

[Speaker 6] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
no,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
of

[Speaker 5] (3:32:26 - 3:32:26)
no.

[Speaker 6] (3:32:26 - 3:32:27)
no,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
ha

[Speaker 6] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
no, no,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
ha,

[Speaker 6] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
no, no, ha, no,

[Speaker 2] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
ha,

[Speaker 6] (3:32:27 - 3:32:27)
no.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:27 - 3:32:28)
ha, ha. Sorry.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:28 - 3:32:29)
Wayne.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:29 - 3:32:30)
I.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:31 - 3:32:31)
Ken.

[Speaker 3] (3:32:32 - 3:32:32)
I.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:32 - 3:32:33)
Daniel.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:33 - 3:32:33)
I.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:34 - 3:32:35)
Marilyn.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:35 - 3:32:35)
I.

[Speaker 2] (3:32:35 - 3:32:40)
And I am an aye. Okay. Is that uh board... Select board time.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:41 - 3:32:51)
Yes, I have something. So I um I think most of us are aware of the trials and tribulations of Lincoln's landing that they've been going through.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:52 - 3:33:17)
Um I just want to say that I'm in complete support of that establishment that has been in this town for over 50 years not that particular owner um and I really feel badly that they are close to being evicted they have a court hearing this week and I really think that this is one of those times where I feel like it's appropriate to step up for the little guy and I think that's what this board should consider doing.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:17 - 3:33:19)
I have done it on a personal level,

[Speaker 5] (3:33:20 - 3:33:26)
but I think we really should consider supporting this local business who has been here a long time.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:26 - 3:33:38)
And granted they are having a legal issue we do not necessarily want to get involved in, but that doesn't mean that we can't voice our support if we feel that's appropriate. That would be my suggestion,

[Speaker 5] (3:33:38 - 3:33:39)
my recommendation,

[Speaker 5] (3:33:39 - 3:33:41)
but just wanted to put that out there.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:43 - 3:33:44)
That's all I have.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:44 - 3:33:45)
Thank you, Danielle.

[Speaker 2] (3:33:46 - 3:33:47)
Any other board members have a comment?

[Speaker 5] (3:33:48 - 3:33:49)
I do.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:49 - 3:33:53)
I want to say thank you to Daniel Moretzky,

[Speaker 5] (3:33:54 - 3:33:58)
Alex Darfisperes, how do you say your last name?

[Speaker 6] (3:33:59 - 3:34:01)
He did get left, but it's Devesh Perez.

[Speaker 5] (3:34:01 - 3:34:02)
Devesh Perez?

[Speaker 5] (3:34:02 - 3:34:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:34:03 - 3:34:05)
And Nate Beischlein.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:06 - 3:34:10)
And Nathan, thank you very much for always working so hard here.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:10 - 3:34:14)
I also want to recognize the Demento family.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:14 - 3:34:21)
They lost Carol Demento. Carol Demento was a very big volunteer for our community.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:21 - 3:34:30)
Carol was the head of the finance committee at the most critical time period of finance committees. Carol was the chair.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:31 - 3:34:48)
At the time we left two and a half, Proposition two and a half, and I can just tell you as a member of the Finance Committee it's never easy, but I can't imagine what it was like at that time. So I just want to give my condolences to the Demento family.

[Speaker 2] (3:34:50 - 3:34:51)
Thank you, Graham

[Speaker 3] (3:34:52 - 3:34:54)
I would share those condolences as well.

[Speaker 3] (3:34:56 - 3:35:01)
Both of them have been stewards in this community for a very, very, very long time.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:04 - 3:35:06)
Aside from that change in the tone for just a second,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:06 - 3:35:11)
I really think I'm going to go, what we talked about before,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:11 - 3:35:21)
the community event with the FIFA World Cup was really something to see, to see hundreds and hundreds of people even come from out of town.

[Speaker 6] (3:35:21 - 3:35:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:35:22 - 3:35:37)
gathering and it was it was a nice community event I am glad the foresight between Charlotte and town staff was there to promote it one little ask more

[Speaker 8] (3:35:37 - 3:35:37)
You were saying?

[Speaker 3] (3:35:37 - 3:35:45)
more bathrooms lots of lines no one knew I don't think anyone knew was gonna be that popular it was great

[Speaker 3] (3:35:46 - 3:35:47)
That said,

[Speaker 3] (3:35:47 - 3:36:07)
also thank you, I want to thank Emily Westhoven for putting a lot of her volunteer time into helping with the trash rollout and thank you to staff, both Nick and Shannon and Gino and the rest of the staff for working hard to make sure that this rollout goes smoothly.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:11 - 3:36:13)
Okay, thanks Wayne.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:13 - 3:36:14)
Ted, do you have anything to say?

[Speaker 6] (3:36:14 - 3:36:17)
No, just to share my condolences with the Demento family.

[Speaker 6] (3:36:17 - 3:36:20)
Otherwise, that's my only comment this evening.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:21 - 3:36:23)
Great, so we will, on behalf of the board,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:24 - 3:36:25)
to the Demento family,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:25 - 3:36:26)
our deepest condolences.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:27 - 3:36:28)
And I know it brought up earlier,

[Speaker 2] (3:36:28 - 3:36:31)
but also to the DiBoli family for their loss and

[Speaker 6] (3:36:31 - 3:36:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:31 - 3:36:35)
Paul's contribution to our community. Appreciate that very much.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:36 - 3:36:40)
And I will echo praise for the rec department.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:40 - 3:36:45)
I mean, talk about becoming a destination spot.

[Speaker 2] (3:36:46 - 3:37:01)
We were one of a few communities of our size who were able to get the licensing to and pull off FIFA events on town hall lawns. And, you know, I know for my family and my kids and my kids friends and family, it was incredible.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:02 - 3:37:19)
to see the kids playing soccer on the side and watching the game and being interactive and not just sitting on the couch and you know the opposite of loneliness is community and so it's so important and I'm very proud of the rec department for doing that so thank

[Speaker 6] (3:37:19 - 3:37:20)
That's your

[Speaker 2] (3:37:20 - 3:37:25)
you Charlotte and the rec department and DPW and police and everybody else who supported.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:26 - 3:37:27)
rec in the September how

[Speaker 5] (3:37:27 - 3:37:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:28 - 3:37:30)
about a motion to adjourn

[Speaker 3] (3:37:30 - 3:37:31)
So moved.

[Speaker 5] (3:37:31 - 3:37:31)
Motion

[Speaker 3] (3:37:31 - 3:37:31)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:37:31 - 3:37:31)
to second.

[Speaker 3] (3:37:31 - 3:37:32)
moved.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:33 - 3:37:35)
and I will take a roll call Wayne okay

[Speaker 3] (3:37:35 - 3:37:36)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:37 - 3:37:39)
Danielle Marianne

[Speaker 5] (3:37:39 - 3:37:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:37:40 - 3:37:40)
Marianne.

[Speaker 5] (3:37:40 - 3:37:41)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:41 - 3:37:43)
thank you everyone good

[Speaker 3] (3:37:43 - 3:37:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (3:37:44 - 3:37:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (3:37:44 - 3:37:45)
night