[Speaker 1] (5:24 - 5:25)
Okay, we're

[Speaker 2] (5:25 - 5:25)
I think it's a

[Speaker 3] (5:25 - 5:25)
Let's

[Speaker 2] (5:25 - 5:25)
mistake.

[Speaker 3] (5:25 - 5:26)
go outside.

[Speaker 2] (5:26 - 5:26)
Alright.

[Speaker 3] (5:26 - 5:26)
Let's go outside.

[Speaker 1] (5:29 - 5:37)
Okay. Um good evening and welcome to the August 4th select board meeting. If you could pl oh we are being recorded. If you could please rise for the pledge.

[Speaker 1] (5:41 - 5:41)
I pledge allegiance

[Speaker 3] (5:41 - 5:42)
I pledge allegiance

[Speaker 1] (5:42 - 5:43)
to the flag.

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of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 1] (6:03 - 6:04)
Okay, we will, yes,

[Speaker 4] (6:04 - 6:07)
I want to tell people we're not talking about ERAC, in case they want to go.

[Speaker 1] (6:07 - 6:08)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (6:08 - 6:12)
So we're going to take one matter out of order very quickly.

[Speaker 1] (6:13 - 6:21)
The item number three under new and old business, the Earth Removal Advisory Joint Committee Joint Meeting and Public Hearing is being rescheduled.

[Speaker 1] (6:22 - 6:24)
So if you are here for that portion of the evening,

[Speaker 1] (6:24 - 6:27)
we will not be discussing it on this agenda.

[Speaker 1] (6:28 - 6:30)
We will be reposting it for a public hearing in September.

[Speaker 1] (6:31 - 6:34)
So just in case, that way you don't have to stick around.

[Speaker 1] (6:36 - 6:38)
All right, moving on to the town administrator's report.

[Speaker 5] (6:39 - 6:39)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (6:40 - 6:45)
I just wanted to start by recognizing the curbside collection transition team.

[Speaker 5] (6:46 - 6:48)
There's been a number of folks that have been really important over the last.

[Speaker 5] (6:49 - 7:07)
couple of months, but really in the last two weeks as we've been working through the delivery of the recycling carts and the change in service this week. So I really want to, you know, make sure that a change of this scale that touches every household in the town basically has required a lot of hands to go as smoothly as it has. I know there's still

[Speaker 5] (7:08 - 7:15)
A learning curve ahead, and we're still trying to catch up to a handful of changes, but it has been quite an effort so far. I want to thank Jean and Natalie,

[Speaker 5] (7:15 - 7:17)
the customer service team,

[Speaker 5] (7:17 - 7:23)
and really everyone at Town Hall who have fielded an extraordinary volume of questions in person, by phone,

[Speaker 5] (7:23 - 7:24)
and email,

[Speaker 5] (7:24 - 7:26)
and have kept things moving every day.

[Speaker 5] (7:26 - 7:29)
They've been the public face along with Shannon of this transition,

[Speaker 5] (7:29 - 7:35)
and they've handled it with patience and humor, and I really appreciate that. But the Solid Waste Advisory Committee has been a huge partner.

[Speaker 5] (7:35 - 7:41)
partner, particularly for Gino and I, but also for all of us at Town Hall as we've worked to make sure the communications are clear,

[Speaker 5] (7:41 - 7:49)
they're reflective of the information residents need and want and assisting us with verifying sort of the the information on the ground as things have been going the last couple of weeks.

[Speaker 5] (7:50 - 8:05)
Uh I wanna call out the D_P_W_ staff, they've worked incredibly hard over the last week and continue to this week um to make sure that the swaps for smaller barrels have gone well, that pickups and changes that have been occurring are are handled as smoothly as possible, and that's really been something that

[Speaker 5] (8:06 - 8:10)
All of them have pitched in on, and this is on top of the duties that they're responsible for on a daily basis.

[Speaker 5] (8:11 - 8:13)
I do want to, you know, I mentioned her,

[Speaker 5] (8:13 - 8:17)
but I want to really call out Shannon's effort because she has been the one that has kept the whole team together.

[Speaker 5] (8:18 - 8:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (8:22 - 8:24)
She has answered calls and emails.

[Speaker 5] (8:24 - 8:28)
If you have emailed or called the trash phone number or email,

[Speaker 5] (8:28 - 8:30)
you are talking to Shannon almost exclusively.

[Speaker 5] (8:30 - 8:35)
She's made sure that everyone at Town Hall is helping to solve those issues and I really appreciate all of your help,

[Speaker 5] (8:35 - 8:35)
Shannon.

[Speaker 5] (8:36 - 8:40)
So that's been a big part of the last two weeks.

[Speaker 5] (8:40 - 8:45)
I wanted to give a brief update on the King's Beach study that's been going on because we do have

[Speaker 5] (8:46 - 8:50)
The effort to get flow data and other things over at Kings Beach in the

[Speaker 5] (8:52 - 8:54)
Stacey Brooke-Albert as well.

[Speaker 5] (8:54 - 9:01)
The initial effort uh had left uh a level of specificity that we were looking for on the table and we had not yet gotten there.

[Speaker 5] (9:01 - 9:17)
Uh thanks to George Allen, Kelly, uh Beagan, Wayne, Gino, and others um we've worked with Kleinfeldor and Flow Assessment, their vendor, to underline the importance of that information to us as sort of task number one for us. And that was something that the previous board had all identified as

[Speaker 5] (9:17 - 9:43)
is being really important that we understand what the sort of contribution on each side is. So we've worked very closely with them and over the last couple of weeks they've added a couple of additional meters further upstream. You may have seen them during the installation process at Columbia and Pine or on Columbia and on Pine and the initial data we're getting were optimistic. It's starting to line up with the theories that we had about what the flow looked like so we're we're looking forward to getting more information.

[Speaker 5] (9:43 - 9:46)
and we're thankful for their partnership in that.

[Speaker 5] (9:47 - 9:52)
I know that there had been some reporting last week about beach access at Wales Beach and I just wanted,

[Speaker 5] (9:53 - 9:59)
I let the board know, I want to let everyone else know that the Conservation Commission along with community development is working closely with our

[Speaker 1] (10:12 - 10:20)
what may need to be done and I wanted to make sure the board was aware and the community at large is aware as well that we are moving forward trying to gather as much information as possible.

[Speaker 1] (10:21 - 10:24)
I wanted to give a brief update on 89 Burrell Street as well.

[Speaker 1] (10:24 - 10:27)
The design is continuing to progress there.

[Speaker 1] (10:27 - 10:30)
It has been a Max and Marzi effort to this point.

[Speaker 1] (10:30 - 10:34)
We are setting up time with potential users in the weeks ahead to get some feedback.

[Speaker 1] (10:35 - 10:40)
The idea there will be to understand if the design that we put together meets the needs that we anticipate.

[Speaker 1] (10:40 - 10:48)
And then you'll also be hearing a little bit later tonight, there's a zoning bylaw that would also need to be addressed as we go.

[Speaker 1] (10:48 - 10:52)
Just as we go into town meeting that that will be part of this whole effort, but we're trying to do parallel tracks so we're ready to go.

[Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:53)
Finally,

[Speaker 1] (10:53 - 10:54)
on the community event side,

[Speaker 1] (10:54 - 10:55)
I wanted to...

[Speaker 1] (10:56 - 11:00)
Let folks know that Swamptoberfest will not be taking place this year.

[Speaker 1] (11:00 - 11:02)
As the board is aware,

[Speaker 1] (11:02 - 11:04)
and I think many of the community is as well,

[Speaker 1] (11:04 - 11:10)
the event depends heavily on town staff capacity as well as the Yacht Club.

[Speaker 1] (11:10 - 11:21)
And this year, you know, we decided to take a year off and work in partnership to see if we can reimagine an even better event for next year. So we will be back to you in the future to talk about that a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (11:21 - 11:25)
And then I also wanted to highlight that this Sunday is the block party on Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (11:25 - 11:30)
So we hope we see everyone there in support of the community and the businesses in the area.

[Speaker 1] (11:30 - 11:33)
And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions folks may have.

[Speaker 2] (11:35 - 11:41)
I have a question. On the actual new recycling trash cans,

[Speaker 2] (11:41 - 11:45)
so do people who ask for the 65,

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do they all have the 65s?

[Speaker 3] (11:55 - 12:01)
we will be um working on the wait list so we'll have a new delivery of additional barrels.

[Speaker 2] (12:01 - 12:04)
And so what is the ETA on the new delivery?

[Speaker 3] (12:04 - 12:06)
We'll be able to provide that on Friday.

[Speaker 2] (12:06 - 12:08)
And so the people that are on that wait list

[Speaker 3] (12:08 - 12:11)
We'll receive an email on Friday with the estimated date too.

[Speaker 2] (12:12 - 12:12)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (12:13 - 12:19)
Some of the, I have had over the weekend the number of people stop by.

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And they just, they're saying even 65 is too big. And I would like in the future for us to consider the possibility of smaller,

[Speaker 2] (12:28 - 12:29)
35,

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even if it's, even if it means we're just picking up.

[Speaker 2] (12:32 - 12:48)
50, 20, 30, I just want to have some type of consideration to think about it because there are people that are in their extreme senior years that really don't consume very much and they're saying that they really would like to see something even smaller.

[Speaker 2] (12:48 - 12:51)
So I just want to have a conversation at some point. So when you're ordering,

[Speaker 2] (12:51 - 12:55)
if you could find out, you know, what the 30, something smaller,

[Speaker 2] (12:56 - 12:57)
similar to our trash.

[Speaker 2] (12:58 - 13:19)
What that costs and what the minimum purchases are, that'd be great. Um, we got that update. And um where as far as um as far as uh King's Beach besides King's Beach, do you have any idea when the report is coming from Kleinfelder on that that updated report that we used our ARPA money on?

[Speaker 1] (13:20 - 13:21)
No, I'll check with Marcie on that.

[Speaker 2] (13:23 - 13:26)
Okay, that's all I ha that's the only questions I have.

[Speaker 3] (13:27 - 13:28)
Additional questions?

[Speaker 2] (13:29 - 13:48)
Uh yeah actually Nick so can you give a little bit more detail about the situation at Whelk's Beach or whatever they whatever like what what are we really talking about is this so from my understanding it's the homeowner that thinks they have rights to that beach that's what the discrepancy is they

[Speaker 1] (13:48 - 13:50)
In its in its simplest form, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (13:50 - 13:54)
There's a disagreement over access based on ownership.

[Speaker 1] (13:55 - 14:00)
And there were a number of cases, I think one went all the way to the SJC and settlements,

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that I know KP has taken a look in the past.

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And so in light of, you know, the sort of new, it's not new information but new scenario in this space,

[Speaker 1] (14:12 - 14:16)
we want to take a look at that, understand exactly what any rights and access may be and if there are any

[Speaker 1] (14:17 - 14:22)
remedies that we may pursue, uh we would come back to you all with those.

[Speaker 2] (14:22 - 14:23)
So KP does have it now.

[Speaker 1] (14:23 - 14:24)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (14:24 - 14:25)
They have it. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (14:25 - 14:25)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (14:26 - 14:27)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (14:28 - 14:29)
I'm good for now.

[Speaker 3] (14:31 - 14:37)
Ted is online, correct? I can't see the names on the um on the screen so I just okay.

[Speaker 3] (14:37 - 14:38)
Jim are you good, Ted?

[Speaker 4] (14:40 - 14:41)
I'm good. Thank you, Katie.

[Speaker 3] (14:41 - 14:41)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 4] (14:41 - 14:42)
Thanks, Nick.

[Speaker 5] (14:43 - 14:47)
Okay, so we will move on to public comments.

[Speaker 5] (14:48 - 14:53)
I have another number of public comments that came in through email and I'll read them at the end.

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But if those of you who are here for public comment,

[Speaker 5] (14:56 - 14:58)
if you could please line up at the microphone.

[Speaker 5] (14:58 - 14:59)
It's going to be three minutes.

[Speaker 5] (15:00 - 15:02)
Please state your name and address.

[Speaker 5] (15:03 - 15:08)
And our town administrator will help me keep time because he's so good at it. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (15:08 - 15:08)
you like

[Speaker 2] (15:08 - 15:11)
The small person in the room.

[Speaker 2] (15:11 - 15:16)
Thank you. My name is Kathy Smith Skeletski.

[Speaker 2] (15:16 - 15:18)
And I

[Speaker 2] (15:19 - 15:21)
don't usually use the Smith,

[Speaker 2] (15:21 - 15:25)
but I am today because I'm four generations Swampscott.

[Speaker 2] (15:27 - 15:28)
My grandfather,

[Speaker 2] (15:28 - 15:29)
my father,

[Speaker 2] (15:29 - 15:31)
my uncles,

[Speaker 2] (15:31 - 15:32)
my aunts.

[Speaker 6] (15:33 - 15:37)
myself and my daughter and her husband and my grandchildren.

[Speaker 6] (15:41 - 15:46)
I take so personally this town.

[Speaker 6] (15:46 - 15:51)
I remember watching the New Ocean House burn down.

[Speaker 6] (15:52 - 15:54)
I went to Swampscott High,

[Speaker 6] (15:55 - 15:56)
junior high,

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high school.

[Speaker 6] (15:57 - 15:58)
This is my town.

[Speaker 6] (16:01 - 16:15)
I'm so worried about the thought of you guys deciding to build at the Hawthorne Residential.

[Speaker 6] (16:17 - 16:21)
We need this town to stay.

[Speaker 6] (16:22 - 16:25)
beautiful and a

[Speaker 6] (16:27 - 16:28)
part of history.

[Speaker 6] (16:29 - 16:31)
We've got so much history.

[Speaker 6] (16:32 - 16:34)
I mean, when

[Speaker 6] (16:37 - 16:38)
I would drive home from,

[Speaker 6] (16:39 - 16:41)
when I would fly in from college and drive home,

[Speaker 6] (16:41 - 16:45)
the first thing that made me feel like I was home was the Hawthorne.

[Speaker 6] (16:47 - 16:48)
I grew up with the Athanas's.

[Speaker 6] (16:49 - 16:49)
We all

[Speaker 6] (16:51 - 16:55)
that have grown up in this town have a piece of the hawthorn.

[Speaker 6] (16:57 - 17:00)
There are so many incredible things that we could do there.

[Speaker 6] (17:01 - 17:03)
I'm an interior designer.

[Speaker 6] (17:03 - 17:05)
I've had a company for 30 years.

[Speaker 6] (17:06 - 17:09)
That building is spectacular.

[Speaker 6] (17:10 - 17:12)
It lends itself to...

[Speaker 6] (17:14 - 17:19)
So many opportunities and I'm not going to take up anybody's time going through it,

[Speaker 6] (17:19 - 17:27)
but there is multiple ways of generating money coming into the town,

[Speaker 6] (17:27 - 17:34)
coming into Swampscott without building more homes, without taking up more land in that way.

[Speaker 6] (17:34 - 17:38)
And I just feel...

[Speaker 6] (17:39 - 18:00)
So heartfelt about standing here and saying, you please, please do not, do not build condominiums. We don't need more condominiums. We need, we need something that's fun and family oriented and.

[Speaker 6] (18:02 - 18:03)
I don't know, whatever.

[Speaker 6] (18:04 - 18:08)
I mean, I've already sent in all kinds of ideas. I was in California and I was like,

[Speaker 6] (18:08 - 18:11)
oh my God, this is what Slumsgut should be.

[Speaker 6] (18:11 - 18:16)
So that's why I'm here and I appreciate you listening.

[Speaker 7] (18:22 - 18:24)
Hi, Cabot Dodge,

[Speaker 7] (18:24 - 18:24)
Nichols Street.

[Speaker 7] (18:24 - 18:26)
I'm here about the trash.

[Speaker 7] (18:27 - 18:28)
Just a little history lesson.

[Speaker 7] (18:28 - 18:30)
This is from 1994.

[Speaker 7] (18:31 - 18:32)
This is a rubbish fee,

[Speaker 7] (18:32 - 18:33)
okay?

[Speaker 7] (18:33 - 18:38)
We started at $63 twice a year.

[Speaker 7] (18:39 - 18:39)
Again,

[Speaker 7] (18:40 - 18:40)
1995,

[Speaker 7] (18:41 - 18:42)
up to $130.

[Speaker 7] (18:43 - 18:49)
A few years later, rolled into the tax base. If you take the tax base on my house,

[Speaker 7] (18:49 - 18:52)
that $130 is now $705.90.

[Speaker 7] (18:53 - 18:55)
When this was rolled into the tax base,

[Speaker 7] (18:55 - 18:58)
residents were told that there would be no more fees,

[Speaker 7] (18:58 - 18:59)
that it would be included in the tax base.

[Speaker 7] (19:00 - 19:02)
We've since been feed with overthrow bags,

[Speaker 7] (19:03 - 19:12)
large item fees, and now we're being feed if we want to change our barrel that's too big. When mine was dropped off, the center balance on those are wrong,

[Speaker 7] (19:13 - 19:15)
and it went forward,

[Speaker 7] (19:15 - 19:17)
almost walked over the thing.

[Speaker 7] (19:18 - 19:23)
Talking to a buddy of mine in Marblehead the other day, evidently they got the same barrels over there a month ago.

[Speaker 7] (19:24 - 19:27)
I guess there's a woman who went head over the barrel,

[Speaker 7] (19:27 - 19:29)
cut her head open.

[Speaker 7] (19:30 - 19:34)
I mean, why are we being feed when we were told we weren't going to be feed?

[Speaker 7] (19:34 - 19:35)
It was rolled into the tax base,

[Speaker 7] (19:35 - 19:38)
and now you're getting $7.05.90 from me instead of $1.30.

[Speaker 7] (19:39 - 19:42)
So I just wanted to re-bring it to the attention of the board.

[Speaker 7] (19:42 - 19:44)
To the Solid Waste Committee,

[Speaker 7] (19:44 - 19:46)
you're getting a lot more money than you were,

[Speaker 7] (19:47 - 19:48)
the town,

[Speaker 7] (19:48 - 19:52)
and I don't know why we're being feed for rubbish when we were told we wouldn't be.

[Speaker 7] (19:53 - 19:54)
Go back in the history.

[Speaker 1] (19:55 - 19:56)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (20:06 - 20:09)
Hello, all the Claridge Banks Terrace.

[Speaker 2] (20:09 - 20:13)
I'm here to talk to you again about the Hawthorne property,

[Speaker 2] (20:13 - 20:19)
and the one thing I wanted to talk about was just at the last meeting there was a lot of discussion about residential,

[Speaker 2] (20:19 - 20:25)
whether to have it, whether not to have it. I think most of the members of the board had stated that they would prefer not to have it.

[Speaker 2] (20:26 - 20:33)
But there was also discussion about potentially leaving it open to the developer so that if they can make money and they need residential to do it.

[Speaker 2] (20:33 - 20:41)
And I would just say that I don't think we should try to guess what the developer would need, but if we prefer not to have residential.

[Speaker 2] (20:42 - 20:46)
Put out the RFP to say we prefer not to have residential and then leave

[Speaker 2] (20:47 - 21:01)
The decision of what to include or not include for a developer to make it profitable for them up to them But just to let them know that residential is something we would not prefer because if you say yeah, we're open to it. You're gonna get it So that's my piece.

[Speaker 2] (21:01 - 21:02)
Thank you

[Speaker 3] (21:10 - 21:11)
Good evening.

[Speaker 3] (21:11 - 21:12)
I'm Jim Olivetti.

[Speaker 3] (21:12 - 21:15)
I live on 86 Farragut Road with my wife.

[Speaker 3] (21:16 - 21:22)
We've lived here for 15 years and I currently serve as a member of the town's tree committee.

[Speaker 3] (21:23 - 21:28)
I'm here to share my views on the Hawthorne RFP which is on the agenda tonight.

[Speaker 3] (21:28 - 21:31)
On discussion number two, residential use.

[Speaker 3] (21:32 - 21:38)
I'm against any inclusion of residential use as a possible consideration in the RFP.

[Speaker 3] (21:38 - 21:49)
I believe the residents of Swampscott supported the purchase of the land the Hawthorne stands on to create a public good that would bring benefits to all,

[Speaker 3] (21:49 - 21:55)
not just to a wealthy few who would purchase or lease luxury condos on this site.

[Speaker 3] (21:55 - 21:58)
The existing condos on Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 3] (21:58 - 22:00)
including the massive Concordia,

[Speaker 3] (22:00 - 22:05)
certainly are all the exclusive housing options we need downtown.

[Speaker 3] (22:06 - 22:08)
On discussion number three,

[Speaker 3] (22:08 - 22:10)
open space proportion.

[Speaker 3] (22:11 - 22:16)
I believe the majority of the Hawthorne property should be devoted to open space.

[Speaker 3] (22:16 - 22:21)
That would include plantings, perennials, flowering shrubs,

[Speaker 3] (22:21 - 22:22)
native trees,

[Speaker 3] (22:22 - 22:25)
an accessible path along the cliffside,

[Speaker 3] (22:25 - 22:32)
benches and picnic tables to encourage folks to meet and talk or just take in the ocean views,

[Speaker 3] (22:32 - 22:34)
perhaps a small performance shell,

[Speaker 3] (22:35 - 22:36)
and some features for children.

[Speaker 3] (22:37 - 22:38)
such as a splash pad,

[Speaker 3] (22:39 - 22:41)
swings and climbing apparatus,

[Speaker 3] (22:41 - 22:41)
etc.

[Speaker 3] (22:42 - 22:53)
Such an open space park would to my mind be an added encouragement for customers to patronize the new boutique hotel across Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 3] (22:54 - 22:59)
While I'm not opposed to including dining options on the property,

[Speaker 3] (22:59 - 23:09)
I feel that Sam Walker's and the other soon-to-be-added restaurants in Vinan Square lessen the need to also include them in the RFP.

[Speaker 3] (23:10 - 23:15)
I am sympathetic to those that call for parking on the Hawthorne site.

[Speaker 3] (23:15 - 23:19)
I have the privilege of being walking distance from Rosa Brothers,

[Speaker 3] (23:19 - 23:20)
where I get my haircuts,

[Speaker 3] (23:21 - 23:25)
and Lincoln's Landing for breakfast and Kel's Cream for a cone.

[Speaker 3] (23:25 - 23:35)
It does seem to me a waste of what is probably the most precious piece of public property that Swampscott taxpayers own,

[Speaker 3] (23:35 - 23:37)
to cover it with asphalt.

[Speaker 3] (23:37 - 23:46)
I would ask the select board to look for other parking management options and not include parking in the Hawthorne RFP.

[Speaker 3] (23:48 - 23:50)
Finally, on discussion number five,

[Speaker 3] (23:50 - 23:53)
building demo or reuse,

[Speaker 3] (23:53 - 23:59)
to my mind, town meeting did not vote to purchase a 50-year-old plus restaurant.

[Speaker 3] (24:00 - 24:06)
The Hawthorne building sits where the open space parkland naturally would be sited,

[Speaker 3] (24:06 - 24:08)
at the water's edge.

[Speaker 3] (24:08 - 24:16)
I would encourage the Select Board to not clutter the possibility of building reuse in the RFP.

[Speaker 3] (24:16 - 24:17)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (24:27 - 24:27)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (24:28 - 24:29)
I timed this. This is three minutes.

[Speaker 2] (24:31 - 24:38)
Hi, I'm Tanya Lillick. I'm at 26 Kings Beach Terrace and I'm also chair of the Open Space and Recreation Plan Committee.

[Speaker 2] (24:38 - 24:46)
My primary comment tonight is to urge the select board to allow for the majority of the Hawthorne property to be open space 70% or more.

[Speaker 2] (24:47 - 24:48)
There should be no residential units,

[Speaker 2] (24:49 - 24:52)
only minimal parking and the existing building should be demolished.

[Speaker 2] (24:52 - 25:05)
Now I will speak to why, but I'm going to use the economic benefits of open space because I think a lot of people are concerned about how we would fund something like this. So there is, and I have references for all of this which I can provide,

[Speaker 2] (25:06 - 25:15)
there is a return on open space. Research has shown that parks and green spaces return between four and eleven dollars for every dollar invested. In Vermont,

[Speaker 2] (25:15 - 25:18)
conservation returns nine dollars to the economy.

[Speaker 4] (25:18 - 25:19)
And in Maine,

[Speaker 4] (25:19 - 25:20)
it is as much as $11.

[Speaker 4] (25:22 - 25:25)
Residential development costs towns money.

[Speaker 4] (25:25 - 25:30)
Studies show that residential development costs the town more money in terms of added services,

[Speaker 4] (25:30 - 25:30)
schools,

[Speaker 4] (25:31 - 25:31)
police,

[Speaker 4] (25:31 - 25:31)
sewer,

[Speaker 4] (25:31 - 25:35)
and the like, than the property provides the town in real estate taxes.

[Speaker 4] (25:36 - 25:37)
In New England,

[Speaker 4] (25:37 - 25:41)
for every $1 in tax money that a residence brings into the town,

[Speaker 4] (25:41 - 25:45)
it costs the town on average $1.10 to provide services to that residence.

[Speaker 4] (25:46 - 25:48)
If land is preserved as open space,

[Speaker 4] (25:48 - 25:50)
the land raises property values,

[Speaker 4] (25:50 - 25:52)
increasing the tax base without increasing taxes.

[Speaker 4] (25:54 - 25:56)
Commercial development is not always a moneymaker.

[Speaker 4] (25:56 - 26:03)
New commercial development spurs residential growth requiring greater services and infrastructure capabilities.

[Speaker 4] (26:03 - 26:09)
It increases traffic pollution and noise and contributes to the loss of community character and identity.

[Speaker 4] (26:10 - 26:13)
Tourism and outdoor recreation is beneficial.

[Speaker 4] (26:14 - 26:20)
Travelers and residents to parks, trails and other conserved lands spend money locally supporting local businesses.

[Speaker 4] (26:21 - 26:23)
Parks can be revenue generators.

[Speaker 4] (26:23 - 26:26)
And I'm going to use Lynch Park in Beverly as an example.

[Speaker 4] (26:27 - 26:31)
Waterfront Park is considered the crown jewel of Beverly as it offers two beautiful beaches,

[Speaker 4] (26:32 - 26:33)
a rose garden,

[Speaker 4] (26:33 - 26:33)
a splash pad,

[Speaker 4] (26:33 - 26:37)
a playground and lots of open space along the coastline.

[Speaker 4] (26:37 - 26:38)
Private event rental.

[Speaker 4] (26:39 - 26:44)
Beverly generates additional revenue by renting out the property for weddings, events and photography permits.

[Speaker 4] (26:45 - 26:51)
Commercial concessions. Bids are issued to private vendors to run local food concession stands.

[Speaker 4] (26:51 - 26:56)
As you can see, although the economic benefits are not always directly seen,

[Speaker 4] (26:56 - 26:57)
they are there.

[Speaker 4] (26:57 - 27:01)
Having a park is a win-win for both the town economics as well as town beauty,

[Speaker 4] (27:02 - 27:03)
health and community.

[Speaker 4] (27:03 - 27:07)
Once a space is developed it rarely goes back to open space.

[Speaker 4] (27:07 - 27:15)
Let's do the right thing for the town of Swamp Scott and give our residents a beautiful waterfront park for many generations to enjoy.

[Speaker 4] (27:16 - 27:16)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (27:23 - 27:26)
Good evening. My name is Tony Bandrewitz,

[Speaker 2] (27:26 - 27:27)
Precinct 4.

[Speaker 2] (27:28 - 27:33)
I'm a member of the Open Space Committee and also the non-profit Swampscott Conservancy.

[Speaker 2] (27:33 - 27:39)
And I'm going to speak briefly also in support of open space at the Hawthorne.

[Speaker 2] (27:40 - 27:42)
I'm not a native of Massachusetts.

[Speaker 2] (27:42 - 27:48)
I grew up in a suburb of New York City at a time when the surrounding farms

[Speaker 2] (27:49 - 27:51)
Instead of continuing to grow corn,

[Speaker 2] (27:51 - 27:53)
started to grow levitowns.

[Speaker 2] (27:53 - 27:56)
Bit by bit, acre by acre,

[Speaker 2] (27:56 - 28:04)
the farmland and other open space in my town was lost to residential and commercial development.

[Speaker 2] (28:04 - 28:07)
There is very little open space left.

[Speaker 2] (28:07 - 28:13)
The town is now crowded and congested. There's no space to breathe.

[Speaker 2] (28:14 - 28:18)
I see something similar happening here in Swampscott.

[Speaker 2] (28:18 - 28:24)
Over the years, development has eaten up most of all the town's open space,

[Speaker 2] (28:24 - 28:28)
especially the prime real estate along the water.

[Speaker 2] (28:29 - 28:39)
This is unfortunate because what makes Swampscott unique is its seacoast. It gives the residents a sense of place.

[Speaker 2] (28:40 - 28:41)
The coast should be open,

[Speaker 2] (28:42 - 28:44)
not closed, to the public.

[Speaker 2] (28:45 - 29:10)
The town has a chance with the Hawthorne property to give current and more importantly future residents the gift of coastal open space at the gateway to our town and not turn this property into yet another cluster of commercial or heavens forbid residential buildings that are going to block access and views of our beautiful coastline.

[Speaker 2] (29:11 - 29:12)
This will cost money,

[Speaker 2] (29:12 - 29:18)
but there are many reasons why an investment in open space should not be lost here,

[Speaker 2] (29:18 - 29:27)
and while filling that property with buildings several stories high would be a terrible mistake.

[Speaker 2] (29:27 - 29:29)
The reasons...

[Speaker 2] (29:31 - 29:36)
Four open space are set out in a May 15th letter that several committees,

[Speaker 2] (29:37 - 29:37)
town committees,

[Speaker 2] (29:38 - 29:39)
open space,

[Speaker 2] (29:39 - 29:39)
the tree committee,

[Speaker 2] (29:40 - 29:41)
climate action,

[Speaker 2] (29:41 - 29:48)
and the conservation commission, and the non-profit.

[Speaker 1] (29:53 - 29:55)
I urge everybody to read that letter.

[Speaker 1] (29:55 - 29:56)
It's detailed.

[Speaker 1] (29:57 - 30:02)
You can get a link to it on the Conservancy's website,

[Speaker 1] (30:02 - 30:08)
which is just swampscottconservancy1word.org. I've also brought

[Speaker 1] (30:09 - 30:11)
Some handouts which summarize.

[Speaker 2] (30:11 - 30:12)
Thirty seconds.

[Speaker 1] (30:12 - 30:14)
Okay, I'm done almost.

[Speaker 2] (30:14 - 30:14)
Then you know.

[Speaker 1] (30:15 - 30:23)
I also brought some handouts which I can leave up front if anybody wants to grab one and just peruse it.

[Speaker 1] (30:23 - 30:35)
Thank you very much and I urge you to get in touch with the select board and the town administrator and urge that they consider primarily open space for the Hawthorne property.

[Speaker 1] (30:35 - 30:36)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (30:42 - 30:44)
Hi, my name is Victoria Kelleher.

[Speaker 3] (30:44 - 30:45)
I'm on Phillips Beach Avenue.

[Speaker 3] (30:45 - 30:46)
That's where I'm going.

[Speaker 3] (30:46 - 30:52)
And I am also here as an open space committee member and also a resident.

[Speaker 3] (30:53 - 30:59)
And I guess I would start out by saying I was looking for minutes from the last meeting and I didn't see any online.

[Speaker 3] (30:59 - 31:24)
and I was concerned because I know this is an issue that's very very important to lots and lots of residents of course I know you all know that as well but in terms of notice to what's going on here what we're talking about the idea that there are not minutes from the last last meeting online where people can get informed and be able to reach out to all of you concerned me likewise I you know can say

[Speaker 3] (31:25 - 31:29)
When the town decided to purchase this property.

[Speaker 3] (31:30 - 31:36)
It was not, as far as I know, a clear sense of what was going to happen with this property,

[Speaker 3] (31:36 - 31:41)
but there was a clear sense that it was not going to become residential property.

[Speaker 3] (31:41 - 31:47)
We have lots and lots of residential property that has been purchased and turned into residences in this town.

[Speaker 3] (31:47 - 31:49)
This was not for that.

[Speaker 3] (31:49 - 31:55)
This was for the townspeople to be able to enjoy themselves in this town over by the beachside.

[Speaker 3] (31:55 - 32:21)
I think it is absolutely a matter of class to take this property have it only accessible to people who are either I don't know what the idea is renting buying whatever it is those are not going to be towns people that are coming in generally speaking those are going to be out of towners we're going to come in and take these property that it's not fair to town people that asked you that that allowed for this purchase of this property this property should remain for the towns people

[Speaker 3] (32:21 - 32:24)
It was voted on for the town's people and that's where it should remain.

[Speaker 3] (32:26 - 32:28)
Let's see if I have anything else here.

[Speaker 3] (32:32 - 32:32)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (32:32 - 32:33)
I think that's it.

[Speaker 3] (32:34 - 32:34)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 4] (32:35 - 32:35)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (32:36 - 32:37)
Please go ahead.

[Speaker 4] (32:39 - 32:41)
If you have your hand up online,

[Speaker 4] (32:41 - 32:43)
we do see you. We will come to you next after Mr.

[Speaker 4] (32:44 - 32:44)
Rock.

[Speaker 5] (32:44 - 32:46)
Brian Watson,

[Speaker 5] (32:46 - 32:47)
Oak Road.

[Speaker 5] (32:48 - 32:59)
I watched your meeting last time and I know there is some difference of opinion about residential on the site, some ambivalence, and the select board is trying to consider all sides on this.

[Speaker 5] (33:01 - 33:06)
I'm standing up because I think that a mixed-use project would be appropriate for the site.

[Speaker 5] (33:07 - 33:18)
I'd like to see our town and our select board get away from thinking that it's either all condos or it's all park or it's, you know, it's one thing or the other. Many of these things are not mutually exclusive.

[Speaker 5] (33:20 - 33:22)
When we think about residential,

[Speaker 5] (33:22 - 33:25)
if we think about some residential on this site,

[Speaker 5] (33:25 - 33:33)
the word some is important. And this isn't, this wouldn't, in a mixed use project,

[Speaker 5] (33:33 - 33:36)
the residential use would be one component of many.

[Speaker 5] (33:36 - 33:44)
It wouldn't be the tail wagging the dog. It would be one element. And we could refine in the RFP if we have concerns about

[Speaker 5] (33:45 - 33:53)
residential. We can refine what we prefer as residential. We could specify either condos or apartments.

[Speaker 5] (33:54 - 34:02)
We could specify a maximum number in the RFP. We could say no project shall have more than eight or ten apartments.

[Speaker 5] (34:02 - 34:08)
You know, we could refine and define things so that it's not all one or all the other.

[Speaker 5] (34:08 - 34:10)
We could even some communities set

[Speaker 5] (34:10 - 34:14)
You know, I hear concerns about wealthy people moving in and families,

[Speaker 5] (34:14 - 34:16)
you know, stressing our systems and so forth.

[Speaker 5] (34:16 - 34:23)
Some communities have responded to that sort of thing in their town centers by setting maximum square footages of the apartments.

[Speaker 5] (34:23 - 34:25)
So in the RFP, it's perfectly legitimate,

[Speaker 5] (34:25 - 34:30)
for example, to say no unit, whether condo or apartment,

[Speaker 5] (34:30 - 34:36)
no unit shall exceed 800 square feet or 1,000 square feet or whatever the square feet is that we think is appropriate.

[Speaker 5] (34:36 - 34:52)
That tends to get you either buyers or renters who would be, you know, either elderly without a home or young renters. You're way less apt to get, you know, extremely wealthy people if that's not a goal.

[Speaker 5] (34:54 - 35:07)
The other thing I heard mentioned last time was that somehow these renters, if there are eight renters or ten renters, these renters would hold some magic formula over the town by where they could take ownership of the courtyard and they could just be a nuisance.

[Speaker 5] (35:08 - 35:10)
That's really not how it works in towns.

[Speaker 5] (35:11 - 35:11)
You know,

[Speaker 5] (35:11 - 35:13)
if there are complaints and they're reasonable,

[Speaker 5] (35:13 - 35:21)
the town would listen to them and negotiate them just as we do now with parking on Cedar Hill Terrace or other issues in town. The town.

[Speaker 5] (35:21 - 35:22)
The town has agency,

[Speaker 5] (35:22 - 35:22)
too.

[Speaker 5] (35:22 - 35:26)
And the other thing is people in these projects self-select.

[Speaker 5] (35:26 - 35:32)
If a condo buyer was looking at a unit on this site or an apartment dweller,

[Speaker 5] (35:32 - 35:33)
he sees where he's moving.

[Speaker 5] (35:34 - 35:36)
He sees where he's going to move. If it's a courtyard scheme,

[Speaker 5] (35:36 - 35:38)
say site plan G1,

[Speaker 5] (35:38 - 35:39)
just for argument's sake,

[Speaker 5] (35:39 - 35:40)
he sees a courtyard,

[Speaker 5] (35:40 - 35:41)
he knows it's a public courtyard,

[Speaker 5] (35:41 - 35:42)
it's got cafes,

[Speaker 5] (35:42 - 35:43)
it's got restaurants.

[Speaker 5] (35:44 - 35:46)
There tends to be a self-selection involved.

[Speaker 5] (35:46 - 35:50)
I was 14 years a tenant at Pickering Wharf in Salem.

[Speaker 5] (35:51 - 35:52)
First floor was shops,

[Speaker 5] (35:52 - 35:53)
second floor was offices,

[Speaker 5] (35:53 - 35:54)
third floor was residential.

[Speaker 5] (35:54 - 35:58)
People moved in or rented knowing what they were going to get.

[Speaker 5] (35:58 - 36:00)
You could smell the hamburgers on the second floor.

[Speaker 5] (36:01 - 36:04)
It does sort itself out.

[Speaker 5] (36:05 - 36:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 5] (36:05 - 36:06)
time's up?

[Speaker 6] (36:06 - 36:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (36:06 - 36:08)
Okay, and then the very last thought is

[Speaker 5] (36:09 - 36:11)
Any good project, any successful project,

[Speaker 7] (36:11 - 36:12)
One more.

[Speaker 5] (36:12 - 36:21)
which we want, however put together, will by its nature reinforce both the Hotel Hadley and the Humphrey Street Overlay District.

[Speaker 5] (36:21 - 36:24)
Its very success will contribute to the success of the other projects.

[Speaker 5] (36:25 - 36:27)
So I just encourage the select board in the town,

[Speaker 5] (36:27 - 36:29)
think in terms of the grays, not the absolutes.

[Speaker 4] (36:29 - 36:30)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (36:30 - 36:30)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (36:30 - 36:30)
you.

[Speaker 4] (36:33 - 36:34)
We will...

[Speaker 4] (36:34 - 36:43)
take okay miss Newman first it's the first hand raised online hi

[Speaker 4] (36:46 - 36:47)
please go ahead

[Speaker 8] (36:51 - 36:58)
2073 1 so I've been here since 1966 and I

[Speaker 8] (36:58 - 37:01)
As once Swamp Scott become more and more crowded,

[Speaker 8] (37:02 - 37:08)
I agree with Jim O'Leary when he said that the condos on Humphrey Street are enough for the downtown.

[Speaker 8] (37:09 - 37:21)
Watching Captain Jack's become an accordion across the street as a new bakery was sad and disappointing and historically it seems to be the beginning of the end.

[Speaker 8] (37:22 - 37:27)
I have no objection to misuse of business and open space at the Laughlin site,

[Speaker 8] (37:27 - 37:32)
but please don't allow housing to become part of it.

[Speaker 8] (37:32 - 37:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (37:33 - 37:35)
Thank you. And Ms. Lau?

[Speaker 4] (37:44 - 37:45)
Should we?

[Speaker 8] (37:45 - 37:46)
Can you hear me okay?

[Speaker 4] (37:46 - 37:47)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 8] (37:48 - 37:49)
Okay, thank you kids.

[Speaker 8] (37:49 - 37:51)
My name is Laura Liao,

[Speaker 8] (37:51 - 37:53)
a participant of the Grove Town Meeting member,

[Speaker 8] (37:53 - 37:54)
Precinct 3.

[Speaker 8] (37:55 - 38:04)
Tonight I speak once again about the process of attempting to harness public input on topics small and large that have lasting effects on our community members.

[Speaker 8] (38:04 - 38:12)
The problem remains that there is no written process to alert and inform community members that a topic is scheduled to be reviewed.

[Speaker 9] (38:13 - 38:17)
If there is some process, it is ineffective or not followed.

[Speaker 9] (38:18 - 38:24)
This includes not only the elected board members at the elected boards and the committees and advisory,

[Speaker 9] (38:24 - 38:27)
but the committees and advisory boards.

[Speaker 9] (38:27 - 38:38)
There are obvious topics that will have lasting impact on our town that people should be made aware of over and over again. If people do not show up or look turnout,

[Speaker 9] (38:38 - 38:40)
assume the message is not getting out.

[Speaker 9] (38:41 - 38:51)
People don't let, please don't let people's interest in all things just trash allow you to think that all you have to talk about is trash at these meetings.

[Speaker 9] (38:51 - 38:52)
Think like a teacher.

[Speaker 9] (38:52 - 38:55)
Trick them into knowing more information.

[Speaker 9] (38:55 - 38:57)
If people are showing up for trash meetings,

[Speaker 9] (38:57 - 39:03)
layering all the important topics because all the topics are important.

[Speaker 9] (39:04 - 39:09)
and advertise important upcoming events in that way.

[Speaker 9] (39:10 - 39:19)
Bundling things into a newsletter and saying you told people is simply not effective in getting the word out on important legacy properties like Hadley and Hawthorne.

[Speaker 9] (39:19 - 39:28)
Plainly I'm very disappointed that the important meeting on Hadley held on July 7th was not given the importance of standalone email notification.

[Speaker 9] (39:28 - 39:36)
Similarly, the Hawthorne meetings leading up to an RFP on a property that we bought and were shown images of a park,

[Speaker 9] (39:36 - 39:40)
but the language does not support that stand-alone distinction.

[Speaker 9] (39:40 - 39:42)
We were misled,

[Speaker 9] (39:42 - 39:43)
I believe intentionally.

[Speaker 1] (39:44 - 39:54)
It was rushed through in another hurry hurry we have to do this or else and the time to more closely review was not available at town meeting that night.

[Speaker 1] (39:54 - 40:00)
I believe strongly this electorate should not have the power to create an RFP without town meeting review.

[Speaker 1] (40:00 - 40:01)
Would that be chaos?

[Speaker 1] (40:01 - 40:02)
Yes, it would be.

[Speaker 1] (40:02 - 40:10)
But it would give the decisions more weight to know that more eyes have a long view of this incredibly important,

[Speaker 1] (40:10 - 40:18)
tremendously significant decision that will forever change the landscape of our seaside community which we all hold so dearly.

[Speaker 1] (40:18 - 40:29)
Housing was clear not to be part of this location. This purchase was to prevent another concordia. I certainly hope that this is not that we were not misled.

[Speaker 1] (40:29 - 40:36)
A modest-sized multi-use building that can house pop-up year-round revenue of good use with rentable

[Speaker 2] (40:36 - 40:36)
30

[Speaker 1] (40:36 - 40:37)
class

[Speaker 2] (40:37 - 40:37)
seconds.

[Speaker 1] (40:37 - 40:40)
building granted by lush open space with purpose.

[Speaker 1] (40:41 - 40:45)
Similar to Richmond Park in Boston by the Children's Museum for all ages.

[Speaker 1] (40:46 - 40:52)
Please do not enter this document entirely into record and I will email it to you all.

[Speaker 1] (40:52 - 40:53)
Thank you very much.

[Speaker 3] (40:53 - 40:54)
Thank you, Ms.

[Speaker 3] (40:54 - 40:54)
Law.

[Speaker 3] (40:56 - 40:56)
Ms.

[Speaker 3] (40:56 - 40:57)
McDermott.

[Speaker 1] (41:02 - 41:03)
Wow, thank you very much.

[Speaker 1] (41:03 - 41:03)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (41:03 - 41:04)
I didn't realize I was number three.

[Speaker 1] (41:05 - 41:07)
Marianne McDermott, Precinct 6.

[Speaker 1] (41:08 - 41:08)
Stanley wrote,

[Speaker 1] (41:09 - 41:15)
I want to reiterate what many of the speakers tonight have said.

[Speaker 1] (41:15 - 41:16)
I, too,

[Speaker 1] (41:16 - 41:18)
am an elected town meeting member.

[Speaker 1] (41:18 - 41:19)
I, too,

[Speaker 1] (41:19 - 41:25)
attended the town meeting where this was discussed significantly,

[Speaker 1] (41:25 - 41:31)
and many people stood up, including Peters Galliards, including Angela Ippolito, and said,

[Speaker 1] (41:32 - 41:34)
This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity.

[Speaker 1] (41:35 - 41:37)
This won't come on again protecting the space,

[Speaker 1] (41:38 - 41:40)
protecting this for generations to come.

[Speaker 1] (41:41 - 41:45)
Town meeting approved the purchase based on specific public purpose.

[Speaker 1] (41:46 - 41:55)
We were told this is for the public good. Then there were meetings about the public good and how

[Speaker 1] (41:56 - 41:59)
this land would be used. If that purpose is changing,

[Speaker 1] (42:00 - 42:09)
town meetings should once again be involved in that decision making because if the select board can change the purpose of the use of this land,

[Speaker 1] (42:10 - 42:15)
it vacates town meetings role and in many ways town meetings purpose.

[Speaker 1] (42:16 - 42:21)
So I think we need to go take this back to town meeting if this is a if this is a

[Speaker 1] (42:21 - 42:28)
This is a challenge and I do appreciate that this is a physical challenge for our community and on an anticipated physical challenge.

[Speaker 1] (42:28 - 42:34)
But this was a decision made in town meeting and it needs to go back to town meeting to be fixed.

[Speaker 1] (42:34 - 42:42)
And I'm going to agree with Mora that having a meeting in August that is thinly advertised.

[Speaker 1] (42:45 - 42:53)
It does not support the transparency and communication that the select board has been saying they're trying to do.

[Speaker 1] (42:55 - 42:56)
So those are my comments.

[Speaker 1] (42:56 - 42:59)
I really hope this goes back to town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (42:59 - 43:02)
There will undoubtedly be a town meeting this fall,

[Speaker 1] (43:02 - 43:03)
and this should be on the agenda.

[Speaker 1] (43:04 - 43:05)
Thank you very much for your time,

[Speaker 1] (43:05 - 43:07)
and thanks for trying to untangle this problem.

[Speaker 3] (43:09 - 43:10)
Thank you

[Speaker 3] (43:11 - 43:14)
I have a couple more public comments that came in through email.

[Speaker 3] (43:14 - 43:16)
This is from Angela Ippolito.

[Speaker 3] (43:17 - 43:18)
Dear Select Board members,

[Speaker 3] (43:18 - 43:27)
I'm writing to voice my opinion regarding tonight's agenda item five discussion point to a discussion and potential vote to decide whether residential use will be included in the future RFP for Hawthorne property.

[Speaker 3] (43:27 - 43:31)
I am firmly opposed to allowing residential use at the property.

[Speaker 3] (43:31 - 43:32)
By residential use,

[Speaker 3] (43:32 - 43:34)
I am referring to one's permanent residence,

[Speaker 3] (43:34 - 43:36)
whether rental or condominium.

[Speaker 3] (43:36 - 43:37)
As we are all aware,

[Speaker 3] (43:37 - 43:48)
the Hawthorne property is a spectacular oceanfront lot with expansive views of Nahant Bay and Boston skyline. A buildable oceanfront property of this prominence and size is unprecedented anywhere on the Massachusetts coast.

[Speaker 3] (43:49 - 43:49)
The site,

[Speaker 3] (43:49 - 43:52)
from the time the property was purchased,

[Speaker 3] (43:52 - 43:56)
the intent has always been to provide public access to a portion of the lot,

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specifically the land that borders the oceanfront,

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and that it would be a green park space for the public to enjoy.

[Speaker 3] (44:02 - 44:02)
Right.

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Whatever redevelopment happens on the street side of the property should also be for public good,

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restaurants,

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shops,

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and public gathering space.

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This type of use will strengthen the businesses along Humphrey Street and would complement the hotel planned for across the street.

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Why residential is a bad idea.

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Even if residential is only one of the allowed uses mentioned in the future RFP, I feel certain the residential proposal will be all we get.

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Developers will line up to propose condo developments on the site.

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Right?

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It's literally a no-brainer.

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It doesn't take any creativity. Once residents occupy a space like the Hawthorne, the sense of public ownership will diminish.

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The public use goes away. Even if there is a path to the park,

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it doesn't feel like it will be ours anymore.

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The connection to Humphrey Street business community would be virtually dead.

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There is no benefit except for the developers and the new owners to our property.

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We don't need to float the residential idea out there to find out what will happen.

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I know what will happen we already know.

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In fact, before we bought the property from the Athanas family,

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Leggett McCall, a large development firm,

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had signed an agreement with them to develop 64 luxury condos on the site.

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Preventing that from happening was one of the reasons we decided to buy the property.

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If residential is on the table, how do we encourage any other kind of creative use or synergenic partnership?

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If there are other ways to derive tax revenue for the town without taking the easy lazy route of condos.

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windows.

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Zoning.

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We should not be downsizing a commercially zoned property and killing our commercial tax base.

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This is the topic that the planning board is addressing throughout the Humphrey Street overlay.

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Our residential development requires parking.

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Luxury condos will require more than one and a half spaces per unit and we're already woefully short on parking in this area.

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The public demand for parking is great as evidenced by activity in this area over the past few months.

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In my opinion, we do ourselves a great deal,

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a great disservice by allowing any residential use of the land.

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use of the Hawthorne site.

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Where the land trail use one diminishes our public use of the space,

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two, hurts existing businesses on Humphrey Street by a loss of connectivity,

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of stitching the back streets,

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the street back together,

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creates three,

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creates more parking scarcity,

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four,

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has no synergy with the hotel.

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I'm writing this as a private citizen,

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but my comments are informed by 16 years of experience on the planning board. Thank you for your time. Angela Eppolito,

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366 Puritan Road.

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Additionally, I have a comment from Shauna Vera.

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Good evening.

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I'm writing you in regards to an agenda item up for discussion during the select board meeting on August 4th. I'm not able to attend, but submit my public comment to be included in the meeting minutes.

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I'm writing to express my strong support for an RFP that prioritizes a proposal with the majority of site preserved as open space.

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As a working parent with two young children and pets,

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I moved to Swampscott in large part due to the oceanfront and the opportunities that it would provide my family.

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Shortly after moving here in 2019,

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I heard of the town's purchase of the Hawthorne property and was overjoyed to hear that it was intended to be preserved for preserving open space along the waterfront.

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Throughout this process residents have consistently and overwhelmingly voiced a desire for a future that maintains significant open space on the property.

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Public engagement only has value when it meaningfully informs decision making and the feedback received has been clear.

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The community wants a proposal that preserves the site's unique character while creating a welcoming place for residents and visitors alike.

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Prioritizing open space does not mean sacrificing economic opportunity.

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thoughtful planning can successfully balance public access with revenue generating uses a well-designed waterfront park can host seasonal events food vendors community markets concessions and other carefully integrated amenities that generate ongoing revenue while preserving the public benefit of open space

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A strong example can be found at Lynch Park,

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Beverly,

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where expansive open space is complemented by attractions and programming that make it a vibrant community destination.

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Our town has the advantage that Lynch Park does not, a waterfront property situated alongside an emerging restaurant district.

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The combination of scenic waterfront access and exciting new dining opportunities created nearby creates an opportunity to establish a destination that encourages visitors to spend time in town,

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support local business, and strengthen our local economy.

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local economy.

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This is a rare opportunity to create a lasting community asset that reflects the priorities residents have repeatedly expressed.

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I respectfully urge the select board to ensure the RFP strongly encourages proposals that preserve a majority of the property as open space while allowing for complementary revenue gathering amenities that enhance,

[Speaker 3] (48:13 - 48:13)
not diminish,

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the public experience.

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Thank you for your consideration and for your continued service to the community, Shana Vera Precinct 1.

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And finally,

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Unless I've missed something.

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I have public comment from Brian Longin. I'm respectfully urging the town to ensure that the RFP for the Hawthorne property reflects the properties consistently expressed by residents throughout the public engagement process and request that my comments are included in tonight's meeting minutes.

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As the board considers the direction of the property, I encourage you to include the following guiding principles into the RFP.

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One,

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no residential development. The Hawthorne property represents a rare...

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It's a rare opportunity to create a lasting public asset rather than additional housing.

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Once this land is developed to resident or use, the opportunity is permanently lost.

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To preserve a substantial majority of the site for open space.

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At least 70% of the property should remain open space,

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providing opportunities for passive recreation,

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environmental preservation,

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and public enjoyment.

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Reserving a limited portion of the site for small-scale community-oriented commercial use,

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such as seasonal vendors or modest cafes,

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would complement the park without detracting from its primary purpose.

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3.

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Provide only minimal parking.

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Parking should be limited to fewer than 30 spaces primarily to a...

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to accommodate visitors with mobility challenges and to address the parking needs identified by the town citizens survey.

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A large parking lot would unnecessarily reduce valuable green space and encourage automobile traffic rather than preserving the site's character or demolish an existing

[Speaker 1] (49:40 - 49:44)
The current structure no longer serves the community well and constrains the site's potential.

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Removing it would create greater flexibility for thoughtful site design while eliminating future maintenance and liability concerns.

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The Hawthorne property is one of the few remaining opportunities to create a signature public open space for future generations.

[Speaker 1] (49:57 - 50:01)
The RFP should clearly communicate that the town's vision is centered on conservation,

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recreation,

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accessibility,

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and limited complementary.

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three amenities,

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not residential development.

[Speaker 1] (50:06 - 50:09)
Thank you for consideration your continued work on behalf of the community.

[Speaker 1] (50:09 - 50:16)
I appreciate the thoughtful deliberation that has gone into this important decision and hope these priorities will be reflected in a final RFP.

[Speaker 1] (50:16 - 50:18)
Sincerely, Brian Long and Open Space Committee.

[Speaker 1] (50:22 - 50:24)
Okay, thank you everybody's patience for public comments.

[Speaker 1] (50:24 - 50:30)
That concludes this part of the evening and we will move along to old and new business.

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We will now move to the promotions and recognition section. We had a couple of these slated for last time and we're now coordinating them once a quarter,

[Speaker 1] (50:42 - 50:47)
but we would be remiss if we didn't have these folks come in and be recognized.

[Speaker 1] (50:47 - 50:47)
So, great.

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Yep, I just have a little bit to read about the three folks who are recognizing tonight and if we could if I could get through this and then

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We can ask all three and their families up here to come down maybe to take a photo with the board.

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Does that work?

[Speaker 1] (51:00 - 51:00)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (51:00 - 51:00)
Okay,

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great.

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I'd like to start with Heidi.

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Heidi's, Heidi Weir is retiring from her role as the Director of Aging Services here in Somerscot.

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She brought to this role a lifetime of experience with older adults, not just in this area, but in New York as well.

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Her commitment to this work has been personal.

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She grew up in Swampscott, returned here to raise her family,

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served on the Council on Aging, and helped to establish Swampscott for All Ages alongside Bob,

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who is sitting with her tonight.

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When the Director of Aging Services position became available,

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Heidi jumped at that opportunity to bring that experience home and to make a huge difference in the community that she loves that's become such a big part of her life.

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During her tenure,

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the senior centre grew not only in the number of programs but also in the range of residents that it served and the ways that it supported the community.

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Hattie put together a great team with Sabrina,

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Sonia and many others,

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and the entire team worked to create a welcoming,

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active and responsive centre where older adults could stay engaged,

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get the support they need and find ways to thrive here in the community.

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One of the most important accomplishments,

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certainly it's something that stands out to me, was helping to establish Seaglass Village,

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which expanded the ability of the community to support and provide meaningful connections for folks and also help caregivers as well.

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Heidi's broader commitment to making Swanskouter more understanding and inclusive community also include the Forget Me Not initiative,

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which helped not only businesses but importantly for me.

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for many town employees to understand ways that we could best support older adults when they may have needs that they don't express or that we need to identify on our own and provide support that's necessary.

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Heidi helped to expand the senior center programming,

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securing grants,

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starting new initiatives,

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you know, in advancing the purchase of the electric electric van to improve our transportation and access and the center continued to evolve in response to the changing needs of the community.

[Speaker 2] (52:58 - 53:05)
Community her impact is goes well beyond the walls of the senior center But we really wanted to thank you for your service and we appreciate all that you did in your time here.

[Speaker 2] (53:05 - 53:06)
Thank you

[Speaker 1] (53:07 - 53:07)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (53:15 - 53:34)
Nick, before you move on, I have Sabrina couldn't make it tonight because she is at home helping her husband recover from a little procedure and there's also a senior center trip to the Willows tonight which is being coordinated which is why there are not more folks here to enjoy in Heidi's retirement.

[Speaker 1] (53:34 - 53:37)
However, she sent a little note and I wanted to read it.

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I'm sad to miss the well-deserved recognition of the hard work and vision that Heidi Weir provided the Council on Aging. She worked tirelessly to promote the health and well-being of older adults in our community and succeeded in increasing awareness,

[Speaker 1] (53:49 - 53:54)
acceptance, and inclusion for those living with memory loss and their caregivers.

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Heidi expanded the operations of the Senior Center under extremely challenging circumstances.

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Faced with the reopening,

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the Senior Center...

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of the senior center after the pandemic Heidi increased the operating hours of the center grew the programming transportation food services and volunteerism she created countless community partnerships with organizations like Seaglass Sea Glass Village Elder Act Rotary and the Swampscott Public Schools relationship which encourages the support of older adults through community first perspective as a recipient of the 2026 common

[Speaker 1] (54:29 - 54:30)
Commonwealth Heroine Award,

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Heidi embodied her passion for community service every day in her work as the director of the Swampscott Senior Center.

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Always a visionary,

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her creative and resourceful grant writing skills brought programs like Forget Me Not and Opening Minds Through Art to the center,

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helped upgrade our kitchen,

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and even added an electric van into the center's fleet of vehicles.

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As she moves on to retirement,

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I hope she knows how appreciated she is and how many lives she has touched.

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kids touched.

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She has left a lasting impact on the team she created and on everyone she has helped along the way.

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On a personal note, Sabrina says, I'm grateful for the mentorship,

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steadfast guidance,

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encouragement,

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and support that Heidi provided me as director.

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Learning from her made a real difference in how I think, work, and grow.

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Congratulations,

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wishing you a retirement filled with joy,

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rest,

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and new adventures.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, after 31 years of dedicated service,

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I want to recognize Izzy Abrams, who's retiring from the Swanscott Public Library where she served as both the co-head of the department and as a children's librarian.

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Libraries are often thought of as places to borrow books,

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but Izzy's career has been about so much more than that. For more than three decades,

[Speaker 2] (55:42 - 55:44)
she helped children discover the joy of reading,

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supported families during some of their earliest learning experiences,

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and created a welcoming place.

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where memories were made.

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Throughout her career, Itzy developed programs that became traditions for Smonscott families.

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Thousands of children attended her story times,

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created projects during Messy Mondays, enjoyed teddy bear picnics, and explored the natural world around them through visits to the tide pools at King's Beach.

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She also helped organize other memorable events such as the Story Train to Rockport,

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bringing together families from communities along the rail line for a day of stories and adventure.

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These programs were more than just activities.

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They gave children an opportunity to learn, explore, and build confidence on their own,

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and to develop a lifelong connection not only to books but to the library.

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As these contributions extend beyond children's programming for more than 20 years,

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she led the library's popular titles book discussion group and created a community of readers and friendship that will continue today and long after her service.

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Over the course of 31 years, as he has touched thousands of lives in ways that will continue after her retirement,

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many of the children she once welcomed are now returning with children of their own.

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That's a remarkable testament to both the length of her service and the lasting difference she's made here in town.

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And on behalf of the town,

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the Board of Trustees and the friends,

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as well as the staff and generations of patrons,

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we want to thank you for your service to the library.

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And last but not least is Glenn Bartram.

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Long before Glenn joined the fire department,

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he had dedicated himself to learning everything he could about firefighting. He spent time with other departments,

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he observed Swabscott firefighters at work, and was asking questions and learning.

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Glenn was preparing himself for a career that he knew he wanted, serving the community that he loved as a firefighter.

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The late firefighter Mickey DiPaolo was a particularly important influence on Glenn,

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and it's no coincidence that Glenn would later name his son Jake.

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In May 1999,

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Glenn achieved his goal when he was appointed to the fire department here in Swamscott.

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He brought with him the considerable skills he had developed as a trained carpenter,

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and also the extraordinary passion for public service and for firefighting.

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Fires and serious accidents may receive much of the attention when people think about the work of a firefighter, and Glenn was known for his dependable presence and his steady hand on those scenes,

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but those who served alongside him would likely say that his compassion and skill were most evident when he was providing emergency medical care.

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Over the course of his career Glenn was a calming and reassuring presence for hundreds of residents and their families,

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many of whom encountered him on one of the most difficult days that they would face in their lives.

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His compassion, professionalism and commitment to serving others set an example for generations of young firefighters.

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It's clear from those who have served with him and the career he built that he made a lasting impact on the fire department here in Swampscott,

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but more importantly the broader community.

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His legacy of service will endure and he'll be missed here in the department.

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To Glenn's wife Joanna and daughter Alexa,

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is that Alexa?

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Did I say that right?

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Sorry.

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And Jake and Alicia who are not here,

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thank you for sharing him and allowing him to serve the community for so long.

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We will be forever appreciative of his service.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much, Glenn.

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How many years are you?

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Should we ask folks to come down and take a

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Glen, how many years?

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Uh

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Twenty seven.

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thirty years.

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Thirty years.

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Oh.

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Thirty years.

[Speaker 4] (59:11 - 59:12)
Thirty years.

[Speaker 2] (59:13 - 59:19)
Thank you very much. Should we ask the the three folks to come down and take a photo with the board? Yeah?

[Speaker 3] (59:19 - 59:19)
Please.

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Okay.

[Speaker 3] (59:19 - 59:20)
Oh please.

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Yes.

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You might cancel that cancellation.

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The team Okay.

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Yep, that's

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That

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all right.

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is the craziest part of this. First crazy.

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That's alright.

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Oh.

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Right here, right in front of Daniela.

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Alright.

[Speaker 3] (59:49 - 59:49)
Yeah.

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I

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Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:17 - 1:00:18)
Oh, it was an accident.

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Congratulations.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:27 - 1:00:30)
Oh yeah, right. Please don't leave me on top.

[Speaker 6] (1:00:36 - 1:00:38)
Oh, the whole police fire department showed up?

[Speaker 6] (1:00:39 - 1:00:39)
Is that what you said?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:39 - 1:00:40)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:00:58 - 1:00:59)
Whew.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:07 - 1:01:11)
Well, if that doesn't prove that public service is a labor of love,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:11 - 1:01:12)
I don't know what else could,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:12 - 1:01:17)
considering if we added up their years, we'd hit almost a century of public service,

[Speaker 5] (1:01:17 - 1:01:18)
which is incredible.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:18 - 1:01:19)
So thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:21 - 1:01:30)
Allowing them the recognition they certainly deserve, and we will now move on to uh a brief presentation by the clerk if you're ready.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:31 - 1:01:32)
I am. Wonderful.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:34 - 1:01:35)
I'm just going to share.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:35 - 1:01:36)
Okay, Nick's gonna share.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:39 - 1:01:41)
Bob, can you just close that door?

[Speaker 6] (1:01:42 - 1:01:43)
Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (1:01:43 - 1:01:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:47 - 1:01:48)
It's gonna have a party out there.

[Speaker 7] (1:01:56 - 1:01:58)
Thank you. Thank you for having me again.

[Speaker 7] (1:01:58 - 1:02:01)
I think this is the second time in a row for your meetings that I've attended.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:02 - 1:02:04)
Tonight we have a couple things in front of you.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:04 - 1:02:07)
One is the approval of the town election warrant.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:07 - 1:02:09)
The second is the appointment of the poll workers.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:10 - 1:02:13)
The third is the update that we're going to go through right now.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:14 - 1:02:18)
And the fourth is the appointment of the registrar's seat that we have been looking to fill.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:19 - 1:02:23)
To give an update on what's coming soon for the clerk's office and elections,

[Speaker 7] (1:02:23 - 1:02:28)
the September 1st state primary and the November 3rd state election are coming up this fall,

[Speaker 7] (1:02:28 - 1:02:30)
September 1st and November 3rd.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:31 - 1:02:34)
Right now we're of course working for the September election.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:34 - 1:02:44)
We've mailed out 1269 ballots to voters that have requested them and a batch of 278 going out tomorrow.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:45 - 1:02:47)
On top of the vote-by-mail we're processing,

[Speaker 7] (1:02:47 - 1:02:51)
we are processing a mailing that went out for inactive voters.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:51 - 1:02:58)
So voters who did not return their 2026 annual census were made inactive as of June 1st.

[Speaker 7] (1:02:58 - 1:03:07)
A little side note, inactive does not mean that voters are no longer registered to vote. They are just listed as inactive on the voter list because we haven't heard from them.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:07 - 1:03:13)
And they simply have to provide proof of residence at the polls because we did not get their proof of residence from their census.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:15 - 1:03:19)
We have received 872 of the...

[Speaker 7] (1:03:20 - 1:03:23)
over 2,800 that we mailed back,

[Speaker 7] (1:03:23 - 1:03:28)
so currently we have 1895 voters still inactive,

[Speaker 7] (1:03:28 - 1:03:31)
1,895 we're waiting to get back,

[Speaker 7] (1:03:31 - 1:03:33)
so if you are a voter and listening,

[Speaker 7] (1:03:33 - 1:03:36)
please return your inactive mailing if you have received it.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:37 - 1:03:38)
From that mailing,

[Speaker 7] (1:03:38 - 1:03:47)
we were able to delete 51 voters that have left town to go to other towns in Massachusetts or outside of Massachusetts or even overseas out of the country.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:47 - 1:03:56)
When they return that, we can delete them because they signed it and this is keeping our voter roles accurate and current going through all that.

[Speaker 7] (1:03:58 - 1:04:00)
The next thing is the election calendar.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:00 - 1:04:07)
I left a copy for you with your packets this evening and it is also located on the town clerk's page of the website.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:07 - 1:04:12)
It's uploaded on there as a PDF and the second page of it is the early voting calendar.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:12 - 1:04:18)
So that's on the town clerk web page as well. Just without clicking into a PDF,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:18 - 1:04:20)
it's on the front page of the town clerk's election page.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:21 - 1:04:28)
That outlines everything that's coming up for the September and November elections for deadlines related to the voter registration deadline.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:28 - 1:04:30)
If somebody moves into Swampscott,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:31 - 1:04:31)
out of Swampscott,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:31 - 1:04:36)
they can register up until 10 days before the election. That's Saturday the 22nd.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:37 - 1:04:38)
Shortly after that,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:38 - 1:04:40)
we have the deadline for vote-by-mail applications,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:40 - 1:04:45)
so voters have to turn an application into the town clerk's office by 5 p.m. on,

[Speaker 7] (1:04:45 - 1:04:47)
I believe it's the 25th of August.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:49 - 1:04:54)
Also on the election calendar is the deadline for in-person absentee voting.

[Speaker 7] (1:04:54 - 1:05:00)
So I think that I talked a little bit about that in the spring when I spoke with you guys about the spring annual town election.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:02 - 1:05:14)
The in-person absentee voting is anybody that is not available on Election Day or during early voting hours can vote from the moment we have ballots in the office up until noon the day before the election.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:15 - 1:05:18)
So if somebody misses early voting hours and they're going to be gone on Election Day,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:19 - 1:05:22)
they can vote up until noon the day before the election.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:22 - 1:05:25)
That is also on the election calendar.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:26 - 1:05:29)
In the next coming weeks, not next week, but the week after,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:29 - 1:05:31)
the 17th and 18th of August,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:31 - 1:05:34)
we are going to be testing the voting equipment at Town Hall.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:34 - 1:05:40)
That's going to be in the first floor conference room from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m., most likely both days.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:40 - 1:05:43)
I did the second day just in case we don't finish up on Monday.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:43 - 1:05:44)
It's a public process.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:45 - 1:05:47)
People are welcome to come and watch it happen.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:48 - 1:05:50)
view how the process works of testing the equipment.

[Speaker 7] (1:05:50 - 1:05:52)
We test 50 of each party ballot,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:52 - 1:05:57)
so together we test 100 ballots through each tabulator that's going to be used on election day,

[Speaker 7] (1:05:58 - 1:06:02)
and this varies in case something happens with the normal tabulators we use.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:03 - 1:06:13)
That's two days in August we're doing testing and then I think I scheduled for three days in or for the November election because we are going to have either a two-page or three-page ballot.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:13 - 1:06:14)
So it'll take a little longer,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:14 - 1:06:16)
but I wanted to mention that because it is a public process.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:16 - 1:06:20)
People can come view it and see the whole thing.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:20 - 1:06:22)
When are those dates again? For the testing?

[Speaker 7] (1:06:23 - 1:06:27)
The 17th and 18th. I will post something on the town website as well on the calendar.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:27 - 1:06:33)
Yeah, I was waiting to confirm to get the ballots to make sure that I'm going to have them by that date and we got them today.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:33 - 1:06:36)
So that will be going forward.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:38 - 1:06:40)
The in-person absentee voting I did mention already.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:41 - 1:06:44)
Anybody can in-person absentee vote up until noon the day before the election.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:45 - 1:06:51)
And notifications that we have sent out. We have increased the notifications that I believe were happening before.

[Speaker 7] (1:06:51 - 1:06:53)
We did a lot for the town election,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:53 - 1:06:59)
and we're going to be doing pretty much the same for the September and November elections this year, doing robocalls,

[Speaker 7] (1:06:59 - 1:07:03)
Geno's sign that goes by the beach,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:03 - 1:07:03)
I think that is.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:04 - 1:07:05)
We put stuff on the website.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:06 - 1:07:12)
If anybody's listening and hasn't signed up for the notifications to get those robocalls or emails or text messages,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:12 - 1:07:13)
please do.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:13 - 1:07:16)
We like to send those out so everybody can be on the same page.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:17 - 1:07:20)
And then the November 3rd state election,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:20 - 1:07:23)
just to give a little blurb on that.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:25 - 1:07:26)
Sorry

[Speaker 7] (1:07:26 - 1:07:26)
That's okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:27 - 1:07:28)
It was me.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:28 - 1:07:29)
It was me. I don't

[Speaker 7] (1:07:29 - 1:07:29)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:07:29 - 1:07:29)
know what happened.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:29 - 1:07:29)
me.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:29 - 1:07:30)
Sorry.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:30 - 1:07:35)
That's okay. So the November election right now, we are set to have nine ballot questions on the September,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:35 - 1:07:39)
November, excuse me, ballot. So that's why I said two to three page ballot is going to be long.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:39 - 1:07:41)
We have a lot of questions coming on.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:41 - 1:07:43)
And then brief update on the street lifting books.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:44 - 1:07:47)
Those are going to be ready next week. We had a little blip with the vendor,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:47 - 1:07:49)
so we're going to be making them in-house and they will be printed and ready,

[Speaker 7] (1:07:49 - 1:07:56)
available in our office next week for people to pick up or electronically if they want a version like that as well.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:56 - 1:07:57)
What are they called?

[Speaker 7] (1:07:58 - 1:07:59)
The street lifting books?

[Speaker 7] (1:07:59 - 1:08:01)
The annual street lifting?

[Speaker 6] (1:08:01 - 1:08:02)
The nosy book?

[Speaker 7] (1:08:02 - 1:08:04)
Yes, the nosy book.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:04 - 1:08:04)
We're

[Speaker 7] (1:08:04 - 1:08:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:04 - 1:08:06)
not using a vendor for that? You did it in-house?

[Speaker 7] (1:08:06 - 1:08:07)
We are, yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:08 - 1:08:08)
Well, they used a vendor,

[Speaker 2] (1:08:08 - 1:08:09)
We tried

[Speaker 7] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
but it we

[Speaker 2] (1:08:09 - 1:08:09)
to use a vendor,

[Speaker 7] (1:08:09 - 1:08:10)
were trying to

[Speaker 2] (1:08:10 - 1:08:13)
but it was more unresponsive at a point that it became clear we needed to do it ourselves.

[Speaker 6] (1:08:14 - 1:08:14)
Whoa.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:14 - 1:08:15)
Or they'll be looking for a new vendor.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:16 - 1:08:32)
Right. It's gonna be done by me so and under the election it may not be the most beautiful like detailed street listing book, but it's gonna have everything that's required, it's gonna have the map of the precincts, the polling location, all the information that swampscott voters are used to in the Nosi book.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:34 - 1:08:35)
Next slide, please.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:38 - 1:08:38)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:39 - 1:08:45)
So right here I included a little graph of the election data from the local town election that we had in April.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:46 - 1:08:51)
On the left, the pie chart is just the methods of voting that people used. Most people voted on election day.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:51 - 1:08:57)
The yellow is voting by mail, so all the ballots that we mailed out, we mailed out.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:59 - 1:09:09)
I think there we go 68 ballots by mail and 53 were returned to us as voted the difference in that people didn't return the ballot or they went to the polls on election day and voted

[Speaker 7] (1:09:10 - 1:09:15)
We had 399 voters during the early voting hours and 1337 on election day.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:16 - 1:09:25)
I included the graph or the chart on the right for the in-person absentee voters just to show a little bit of history within the town. This past year for the spring election,

[Speaker 7] (1:09:25 - 1:09:29)
we did 32 in-person absentee voters compared to...

[Speaker 1] (1:09:30 - 1:09:33)
years prior being two for the 2025 local,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:33 - 1:09:33)
one in November,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:34 - 1:09:35)
two in September,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:35 - 1:09:36)
zero in the 2024 local.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:37 - 1:09:40)
So I think it was a lack of advertising of that option being available.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:40 - 1:09:42)
So as soon as we have the ballots,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:42 - 1:09:43)
I've been letting voters know,

[Speaker 1] (1:09:43 - 1:09:48)
you know, you can absolutely go to in-person early voting, but you can do it now if you're not going to be available.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:49 - 1:09:57)
Some people are traveling out of the country and they're leaving the first week of August where early voting hours are not available to people at that time. So I wanted to let you

[Speaker 10] (1:09:57 - 1:09:57)
know.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:56 - 1:10:04)
I want to let you guys know that we have increased accessibility to that option and advertised it more so people can take advantage of it.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:05 - 1:10:05)
Next slide,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:05 - 1:10:06)
please.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:08 - 1:10:14)
Review of the Election Committee recommendations. So this is something that I heard very early on when I began here,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:14 - 1:10:15)
one of the first things that I heard.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:15 - 1:10:19)
So we have been really paying attention to what we can improve on.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:20 - 1:10:24)
get going forward for everybody based on what they said.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:27 - 1:10:30)
The first one of the recommendations increased outreach,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:30 - 1:10:32)
so I kind of outlined what we've done. We've sent notifications,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:32 - 1:10:33)
we use the town website.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:34 - 1:10:38)
Mike Bryson did a voter registration booth at the Frederick Douglass event,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:38 - 1:10:38)
so he was there.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:38 - 1:10:39)
We didn't get anybody,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:39 - 1:10:40)
but he was there.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:41 - 1:10:43)
And we had vote-by-mail applications,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:43 - 1:10:44)
voter registration cards,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:44 - 1:10:50)
and we are constantly letting everybody know of the elections when they come in our office as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:51 - 1:11:17)
We've used social media through the town administrator's office to spread information on Facebook and Instagram and then we increase signage at town hall so if you've been in town hall either through the side entrance to the library or the back door to the parking lot you've probably seen the two posters that are on the wall with the election calendar and the early voting dates those have been hanging up since the board of registrars approved the early voting dates so that's been a while and they won't come down till after the election.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:18 - 1:11:24)
And two new things that we are doing this coming census year is with the census mailing,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:24 - 1:11:29)
we are going to be sending vote-by-mail applications with that mailing to households.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:29 - 1:11:33)
So if you are a voter in Swampscott or anywhere in Massachusetts,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:33 - 1:11:37)
you most likely got a vote-by-mail postcard that I mentioned we'd been processing.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:37 - 1:11:40)
We're going to send those for the annual town election as well.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:41 - 1:11:51)
for the census forms so people can get them, return them to us. We're hoping that it would be an increase in the voters that vote by mail or that vote at all, just spreading the awareness about it.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:52 - 1:11:55)
And then the second thing that we're doing, I don't have too many details.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:55 - 1:11:58)
I thought of it literally this morning at like 10 a.m.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:58 - 1:12:01)
We are going to make a brochure guiding.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:02 - 1:12:07)
I think the header is going to be Swampscot's Guide to 2027, and it's going to have election information,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:07 - 1:12:08)
trash information,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:09 - 1:12:10)
information about bills,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:10 - 1:12:11)
water bills,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:11 - 1:12:12)
excise tax,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:12 - 1:12:13)
when stuff is going out.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:14 - 1:12:16)
I think there was one other page on there,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:16 - 1:12:17)
maybe recreation,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:17 - 1:12:27)
but we're going to make a brochure of all important stuff that is going on through the year of 2027 that Swampscot voters can put and residents can put on their fridge and have to reference.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:27 - 1:12:38)
including the election information that was my big one I want to send out to everybody so everybody gets it everybody has it so we're going to be doing that everybody will get that in their census in January

[Speaker 1] (1:12:40 - 1:12:43)
One of the other recommendations from the committee was the age of voters.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:44 - 1:12:49)
In Massachusetts, there have been a few cities and towns that requested special acts of the legislature,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:49 - 1:12:52)
legislature, excuse me, but none of them have been granted.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:52 - 1:12:55)
So, you know, if we were to go down that road, we can,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:56 - 1:12:56)
however,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:56 - 1:12:58)
knowing what's happened with other cities and towns,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:58 - 1:13:00)
whoever,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:00 - 1:13:04)
if you guys want to decide to do that, that's totally up to you and we can work through it.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:06 - 1:13:08)
I reviewed the recommendation number 10,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:08 - 1:13:10)
which was to move the town election to November.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:10 - 1:13:11)
And unfortunately,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:11 - 1:13:14)
due to state statutes that is out of the options,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:14 - 1:13:17)
we can do it during February, March,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:17 - 1:13:17)
April,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:17 - 1:13:18)
May,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:18 - 1:13:27)
or June, either before or after the town meeting comes to order to do business. That's the kind of language of the statute.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:28 - 1:13:32)
With all the information that I've been given and know about the elections,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:32 - 1:13:37)
I recommend that moving Election Day to a Saturday would help

[Speaker 1] (1:13:39 - 1:13:40)
voter participation.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:40 - 1:13:42)
I think that's ultimately the goal for everybody,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:42 - 1:13:42)
for the board,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:43)
for me,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:44)
for voters.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:44 - 1:13:54)
That is a great solution if town meeting were to vote on it or members of the body were to vote on it. That's just my recommendation from.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:55 - 1:13:57)
moving the election yeah

[Speaker 2] (1:13:59 - 1:14:00)
Could I ask a question on that?

[Speaker 2] (1:14:00 - 1:14:00)
Have

[Speaker 1] (1:14:00 - 1:14:01)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:14:01 - 1:14:09)
there been any surrounding towns or cities that have done that and what has the increase been to their voting percentages?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:10 - 1:14:15)
don't necessarily have data but I know towns do them I can get data

[Speaker 2] (1:14:15 - 1:14:15)
Sure,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:15 - 1:14:16)
on that

[Speaker 2] (1:14:16 - 1:14:19)
I'd just be curious because I think that that's an interesting thought.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:21 - 1:14:24)
But I would love to see sort of some facts behind it.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:24 - 1:14:25)
I think

[Speaker 1] (1:14:25 - 1:14:25)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:25 - 1:14:26)
conclusion is likely,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:26 - 1:14:30)
but just to justify a move like that would be good.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:30 - 1:14:30)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:30 - 1:14:31)
Thanks.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:31 - 1:14:32)
I have a question as well.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:32 - 1:14:35)
Where does the authority lie

[Speaker 3] (1:14:36 - 1:14:42)
for setting dates of the local election in terms of early elections or early voting hours rather?

[Speaker 3] (1:14:43 - 1:14:43)
So,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:43 - 1:14:43)
So.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:43 - 1:14:44)
I mean, whereas like this,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:44 - 1:14:45)
the state.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:46 - 1:14:48)
dictates this. What is our authority to do that?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:48 - 1:14:50)
So for state elections,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:53)
the select board does not vote on early voting hours because it's mandated.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:53 - 1:14:55)
So for local elections,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:55 - 1:14:59)
since we're considered to be opting in to early voting hours,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:59 - 1:15:02)
that is when the select board would vote to set the early voting hours.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:02 - 1:15:04)
For the state election,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:04 - 1:15:05)
so September,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:05 - 1:15:11)
November, and all the presidentials, we are given a set of guidelines that we have to follow for our population.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:12 - 1:15:18)
And I looked at the guidelines and developed the schedule off of those guidelines and either way, state election,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:18 - 1:15:19)
local election,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:19 - 1:15:20)
federal,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:20 - 1:15:23)
the board of registrars approves the early voting hours.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:25 - 1:15:27)
Is there a maximum amount of time?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:27 - 1:15:28)
You know,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:28 - 1:15:28)
like,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:28 - 1:15:31)
is it in between a certain amount of three days?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:32 - 1:15:34)
Eight days, 15 days,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:34 - 1:15:35)
I mean, is there guidance in that?

[Speaker 1] (1:15:36 - 1:15:36)
So there's

[Speaker 3] (1:15:36 - 1:15:37)
Or is

[Speaker 1] (1:15:37 - 1:15:37)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:37 - 1:15:37)
it completely,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:37 - 1:15:38)
there's requirements for

[Speaker 3] (1:15:38 - 1:15:39)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:39 - 1:15:43)
what we have to schedule for the weekend for weekdays.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:43 - 1:15:45)
I actually have it right here.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:45 - 1:15:49)
So the number of voters we are in the range of 5000 to 24,999.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:50 - 1:15:53)
We are required to have one day per weekend. So the Saturday,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:53 - 1:15:56)
let's talk about the September one.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:56 - 1:15:59)
So at least one day per weekend. So we have the Saturday.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:59 - 1:16:22)
day and at least three hours per day that you are open and at least six hours total each weekend so we have Saturday as the deadline to register to vote we have to be in office from 9 to 5 regardless so I did 9 to 5 for the early voting hours on Saturday first the September election and the October early voting schedule for November both of those Saturdays are 9 to 5

[Speaker 3] (1:16:22 - 1:16:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:24 - 1:16:39)
I wanna say we I remember Jared coming in and talking about it before and we like maxed out the most time that we could give in order to try to get the most engagement. Um so I think that aligned with what you had done last time also.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:39 - 1:16:40)
Yeah, and

[Speaker 1] (1:16:41 - 1:16:46)
That kind of brings in why I mentioned the in-person absentee voting as well, because as soon as we have ballots,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:46 - 1:16:54)
I mean, it's August 4th right now, somebody could commit to my office tomorrow and vote in-person absentee. So even though we don't have the designated early voting hours,

[Speaker 1] (1:16:54 - 1:16:57)
people still have the opportunity to vote.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:57 - 1:17:02)
And I haven't put up the sign yet, but I had a sign during the spring that it was big on a sandwich board.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:02 - 1:17:05)
I don't know if some people saw it, but it said in-person absentee voting now available.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:06 - 1:17:20)
and we had a voting booth in the old select board meeting room next to my office we opened those doors so we would have view of who's in there and we advertised as much as we could that stuff will be going up probably end of the week next week

[Speaker 2] (1:17:22 - 1:17:22)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:22 - 1:17:26)
So I have a comment on the review from the election committee recommendations.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:27 - 1:17:29)
Those are recommendations to the select board.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:30 - 1:17:41)
So one of the concerns I have is age of voters. That's something that the select board needs to weigh in and give an opinion on before we go any further with that.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:43 - 1:17:45)
I'm not sure when you want to put that on the agenda,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:45 - 1:17:46)
if you want to put it on the agenda,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:46 - 1:17:47)
whatever,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:47 - 1:17:47)
but

[Speaker 2] (1:17:48 - 1:17:50)
Yeah, I mean it sounds like from what

[Speaker 2] (1:17:51 - 1:17:55)
She had just mentioned that it's in our the ball's in our court,

[Speaker 4] (1:17:55 - 1:17:55)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:55 - 1:17:57)
but the towns and cities that have done it, they're

[Speaker 4] (1:17:57 - 1:17:58)
Aren't

[Speaker 2] (1:17:58 - 1:17:58)
they're

[Speaker 4] (1:17:58 - 1:17:58)
going anywhere.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:58 - 1:17:59)
not going anywhere.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:59 - 1:18:04)
So there is no rush to sort of accomplish that at this point,

[Speaker 2] (1:18:04 - 1:18:11)
we can certainly philosophically debate it, but it's it's not going to effectuate a real change to voting anytime soon.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:11 - 1:18:12)
I mean.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:12 - 1:18:18)
Are there any any rules or anything like can we put signs or posters in any of the.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:18 - 1:18:38)
the local businesses just saying you know voting or whatever if a business wants to hang a sign in their window are we allowed to do that and if we are allowed to do that can you you know just make some calls to some of the really popular places and even the the supermarkets that are busy or the banks whatever

[Speaker 1] (1:18:39 - 1:18:42)
Yeah, I think it's it would be certainly allowed the businesses they're private

[Speaker 2] (1:18:42 - 1:18:42)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (1:18:42 - 1:18:42)
now

[Speaker 2] (1:18:42 - 1:18:42)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:42 - 1:18:44)
Nick please correct me if I'm wrong,

[Speaker 1] (1:18:44 - 1:18:47)
but privately owned businesses They have the right to probably put anything up

[Speaker 4] (1:18:47 - 1:18:47)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:47 - 1:18:50)
as long as it would be lawful for them I think that that would be fine

[Speaker 1] (1:18:51 - 1:19:00)
The local election warrant we can post and wherever would allow us to post it But I don't think it's as like hey catch your eye. There's an election coming type of thing

[Speaker 4] (1:19:00 - 1:19:03)
Yeah, I'm just wondering about, you know, like catch your eye, just to remind people.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:03 - 1:19:04)
Well, time,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:04 - 1:19:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:04 - 1:19:07)
you know, to you can go out and vote just to help increase that number.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:08 - 1:19:09)
Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:12 - 1:19:19)
Did I hear in correctly or incorrectly that the board needs to approve a ballot?

[Speaker 1] (1:19:19 - 1:19:20)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:20 - 1:19:24)
So how it works is there are a couple of things you have in front of you tonight.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:24 - 1:19:26)
One of them is the election warrant.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:26 - 1:19:29)
So that is provided to us by the state.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:29 - 1:19:31)
The language on that, we draft the one for the local election.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:32 - 1:19:34)
This one was given to us by the election division.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:34 - 1:19:35)
I filled in our information.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:36 - 1:19:37)
And then at,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:37 - 1:19:37)
I believe,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:37 - 1:19:38)
the end of the night,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:38 - 1:19:41)
Shannon has the final copy for you all to sign.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:41 - 1:19:46)
I'll reach out to Ted to get his signature at a later date. There was one thing. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:46 - 1:19:47)
I forgot to mention,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:48)
Wayne,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:19:48)
with your question,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:19:50)
the early voting hours,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:50 - 1:19:53)
we are required to operate early voting during our business hours.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:53 - 1:19:57)
So I can't say, oh, let's have early voting from 10 to 2.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:57 - 1:19:58)
If we're open from 8 to 5,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:58 - 1:20:01)
early voting is from 8 to 5 during business hours.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:03 - 1:20:04)
And if you open on Saturday,

[Speaker 2] (1:20:04 - 1:20:07)
then you open whatever hours is to your choice.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:08 - 1:20:08)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:08 - 1:20:13)
As long as it meets the requirements of the six hours per one weekend day.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:13 - 1:20:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:13 - 1:20:14)
I didn't do Sunday.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:14 - 1:20:17)
I figured, you know, give my office a break, the poll workers break.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:17 - 1:20:22)
And we do have that in-person absentee option all the time before that too.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:23 - 1:20:24)
Great job.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:24 - 1:20:25)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:26 - 1:20:30)
Can you, do you need wet signature or can you affix electronic signature to this?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:32 - 1:20:34)
I'd prefer it to be a wet signature. I can wait.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:34 - 1:20:35)
Okay, that's

[Speaker 1] (1:20:35 - 1:20:39)
I think the fine. warrant has to be posted a couple weeks before we still have some time I can get to Ted.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:39 - 1:20:41)
I don't know if that's fine. I just wanted since Ted's not here

[Speaker 4] (1:20:43 - 1:20:43)
This

[Speaker 5] (1:20:43 - 1:20:46)
I'm happy to come into your office tomorrow and just sign it then you're

[Speaker 4] (1:20:46 - 1:20:47)
With such authority Ted

[Speaker 1] (1:20:48 - 1:20:48)
Thank you

[Speaker 6] (1:20:48 - 1:20:51)
Yeah, I thought it's failing around the world.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:52 - 1:20:53)
Thanks kid

[Speaker 4] (1:20:55 - 1:21:02)
Okay, so um do we need some is there some specific language to approve the warrant or we just need to affix our signature?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:02 - 1:21:03)
So the warrant,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:03 - 1:21:03)
We

[Speaker 1] (1:21:03 - 1:21:10)
you can vote to approve the warrant. I think it's titled September 1st, 2026 election warrant.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:10 - 1:21:14)
I think some language along those lines would be sufficient to approve the warrant itself.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:16 - 1:21:18)
Just for the benefit of the public,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:19 - 1:21:19)
myself,

[Speaker 2] (1:21:19 - 1:21:21)
all of us watching.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:22 - 1:21:27)
What is the, what's there to deliberate one way or the other, to vote or otherwise?

[Speaker 2] (1:21:28 - 1:21:35)
When, why is it necessary for a state election for the town to authorize a warrant?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:36 - 1:21:40)
I'm almost positive it's just that way in the laws like the MGL.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:40 - 1:21:45)
It's stated that the select board has to approve the election warrants period,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:45 - 1:21:47)
which covers the state warrant.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:49 - 1:21:53)
For the November election, you'll have to approve one with all of the ballot questions on

[Speaker 2] (1:21:53 - 1:21:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:53 - 1:21:53)
it.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:55 - 1:21:58)
So can I make a motion to

[Speaker 4] (1:21:58 - 1:21:58)
Yes, you may.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:58 - 1:22:03)
can I make a motion to approve the election w the election warrant for September first?

[Speaker 2] (1:22:04 - 1:22:04)
So moved.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:05 - 1:22:05)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:06 - 1:22:08)
Okay, we have to do roll call 'cause Ted's not with

[Speaker 1] (1:22:08 - 1:22:09)
us. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:09 - 1:22:10)
So go ahead Wayne.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:10 - 1:22:11)
Uh aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:12 - 1:22:12)
Danielle.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:12 - 1:22:12)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:12 - 1:22:13)
Ted.

[Speaker 5] (1:22:14 - 1:22:14)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:22:14 - 1:22:15)
You're on.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:15 - 1:22:15)
Hi.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:15 - 1:22:16)
And I am an I.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:17 - 1:22:18)
Thanks, Katie.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (1:22:18 - 1:22:18)
thank

[Speaker 2] (1:22:18 - 1:22:19)
you, Katie.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:19 - 1:22:22)
you very much for all the information and the wonderful outreach.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:24 - 1:22:25)
And...

[Speaker 6] (1:22:26 - 1:22:30)
Do you want me to make a motion to appoint the election workers that are listed in our book?

[Speaker 4] (1:22:30 - 1:22:31)
Do that.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:31 - 1:22:32)
Or is, are you going to?

[Speaker 1] (1:22:32 - 1:22:38)
So there is specific language on that letter that I presented to you all. I did want to note that with the list of election workers,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:39 - 1:22:44)
I included the positions that are in there because there are some town employees that work as tally clerks at the end of the night.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:44 - 1:22:46)
So after their shift with the town is over,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:46 - 1:22:52)
they go home, do their thing. They come and report to the high school at 745 to do the tally clerking at the end of the night.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:52 - 1:23:17)
and we're also always looking for tally clerks so if any members of the public voters residents want actually it's only voters that could be my apologies I misspoke voters that would like to be a tally clerk at the end of the night please call the clerk's office and we can get that working for you also on the list there are some people that are unable to work say the September election or they're unable to work the November election we appoint a blanket list of the voters that way if

[Speaker 1] (1:23:17 - 1:23:21)
If they decide that they can move their appointment from September 1st and they want to work,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:21 - 1:23:23)
that the opportunity is available to them.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:23 - 1:23:30)
And if for any reason we have a large amount of people call out for Election Day,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:30 - 1:23:33)
it is in the laws that within the three weeks before the election,

[Speaker 1] (1:23:33 - 1:23:37)
the town clerk has the authority to appoint poll workers if necessary.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:38 - 1:23:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:38 - 1:23:40)
Do you advertise this on the website?

[Speaker 6] (1:23:40 - 1:23:43)
The only reason I'm asking is because I want to make sure that.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:44 - 1:23:47)
People aren't coming to resident comment accusing us of not being transparent.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:48 - 1:23:50)
So can you make sure that's on the website too?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:51 - 1:24:05)
I can I can certainly add it yeah and we do for election workers send certified letters to the chairs of the Democratic and Republican committees asking for names to be workers this time around I did not get any names back but this is the existing list that we've been using but yes we can add it on there.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:06 - 1:24:06)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:06 - 1:24:10)
Is there any issue with having someone that's not a resident?

[Speaker 2] (1:24:10 - 1:24:13)
I see several listed on here that are not from Swampscott.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:13 - 1:24:17)
It just a matter of them being a registered voter in Massachusetts.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:17 - 1:24:18)
And in the Commonwealth.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:18 - 1:24:19)
In the Commonwealth, yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:22 - 1:24:29)
Um, so can I, uh, so I'd like to make a motion to appoint the poll workers on the list provided by the town clerk,

[Speaker 6] (1:24:29 - 1:24:34)
with discretion granted to the town clerk to assign the poll workers as she deems appropriate.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:36 - 1:24:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:36 - 1:24:37)
Wayne.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:37 - 1:24:38)
Hi.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:38 - 1:24:38)
Danielle?

[Speaker 6] (1:24:38 - 1:24:39)
Hi.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:39 - 1:24:39)
Ted?

[Speaker 5] (1:24:40 - 1:24:41)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:41 - 1:24:42)
Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:42 - 1:24:42)
Made the motion.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:42 - 1:24:44)
And I'm an aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:45 - 1:24:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:48 - 1:24:53)
So we also are doing the appointment of Michael Paquette.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:53 - 1:24:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:54 - 1:24:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:54 - 1:24:55)
So moved.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:56 - 1:24:57)
So did you just make a,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:57 - 1:24:57)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:24:57 - 1:24:58)
you recommend a motion there?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:58 - 1:24:59)
You can move it.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:00 - 1:25:01)
So moved.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:03 - 1:25:04)
Danielle second.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:04 - 1:25:06)
It's all in favor in appointing Michael

[Speaker 6] (1:25:06 - 1:25:06)
roll

[Speaker 4] (1:25:06 - 1:25:08)
Paquette. We'll roll call. Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:08 - 1:25:14)
And this is for the board of registrars for a three year term expiring March 31st, 2029.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:15 - 1:25:24)
He is a registered voter in Precinct 4 and he lives on 432 Humphrey Street and is enrolled in the Democratic Party in case you were wondering,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:24 - 1:25:24)
Wayne.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:25 - 1:25:26)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:26 - 1:25:26)
Danielle.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:26 - 1:25:27)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:27 - 1:25:27)
Ted.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:29 - 1:25:30)
Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 6] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
All

[Speaker 4] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
motion

[Speaker 6] (1:25:30 - 1:25:30)
right, great.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:30 - 1:25:31)
and I am an aye.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:32 - 1:25:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:36 - 1:25:38)
How many zoning updates?

[Speaker 4] (1:25:38 - 1:25:39)
Very good. We will now,

[Speaker 4] (1:25:39 - 1:25:44)
the item number three is tabled until September.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:44 - 1:25:47)
We will move to the town meeting zoning update.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:48 - 1:25:49)
Wait, can I say...

[Speaker 6] (1:25:49 - 1:25:50)
Christine?

[Speaker 2] (1:25:50 - 1:25:51)
Just a quick question regarding

[Speaker 1] (1:25:51 - 1:25:52)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:52 - 1:25:52)
this.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:52 - 1:25:55)
This is what we just voted on, though.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:55 - 1:25:55)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:55 - 1:25:58)
This is a three-year term expiring March 31st. Do a quick introduction.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:58 - 1:25:58)
Because

[Speaker 1] (1:25:58 - 1:25:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:58 - 1:26:01)
it follows the term of the vacant seat.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:01 - 1:26:07)
So the position that Michael is filling was expired as of this spring.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:07 - 1:26:15)
So this is a new term, and in mass term of laws, it's a three-year term expiring March 31st for the new registrar's term to begin April 1st.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:15 - 1:26:16)
That's a standard date?

[Speaker 1] (1:26:16 - 1:26:16)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:16 - 1:26:17)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:19 - 1:26:21)
Okay, we

[Speaker 7] (1:26:21 - 1:26:22)
So are we moving on to?

[Speaker 4] (1:26:23 - 1:26:23)
are.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:23 - 1:26:26)
Okay, I just wanted to give a quick frame for it

[Speaker 7] (1:26:27 - 1:26:33)
The idea here was the zoning board is already looking at these zoning changes, potential changes for town meeting.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:34 - 1:26:36)
I wanted to make sure that we had uh,

[Speaker 7] (1:26:36 - 1:26:50)
you know, this opportunity before you all, but also those that pay attention to your meetings and not the planning board's meetings uh to be able to see the the topics that are being discussed at this point and have an opportunity for you all to obviously provide input as needed. Are we good?

[Speaker 7] (1:26:51 - 1:26:55)
So I'll I'm gonna share the screen then Christina will take take it away.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:11 - 1:27:13)
Okay. Can you all hear me?

[Speaker 6] (1:27:13 - 1:27:14)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:16 - 1:27:18)
So good evening members of the Select Board,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:18 - 1:27:18)
Krista McAhat,

[Speaker 4] (1:27:19 - 1:27:20)
Senior Town Planner.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:20 - 1:27:28)
Tonight I'm going to provide a brief update on several zoning initiatives that are currently under discussion with the planning board that.

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ultimately may be considered for the December 22nd town meeting.

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This evening's presentation is intended as an informational update.

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None of the proposed zoning amendments are finalized. These are concepts and they're continuing to be refined through planning board discussions,

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legal review,

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and ongoing public input.

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The goal tonight is to provide a high level overview of each initiative and to answer any questions that you may have.

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So before any zoning amendment can be considered by town meeting,

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Massachusetts General Law Chapter 40A requires the planning board to hold a formal public hearing,

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receive public comment,

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deliberate on the proposed amendments,

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and make a recommendation to town meeting.

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So residents,

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property owners,

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and other stakeholders will have additional opportunities to review and provide feedback on each of these proposals throughout the public process. So I just wanted to make that clear before getting started.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:27 - 1:28:28)
Point it over here.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:29 - 1:28:29)
Oh.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:33 - 1:28:34)
I can do it.

[Speaker 1] (1:28:34 - 1:28:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:28:36 - 1:28:36)
Sorry.

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Thank you.

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Okay, so the first topic that I'd like to update you on is the proposed commuter rail 40R Smart Growth District.

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Chapter 40R is a voluntary state zoning program that allows municipalities to create a smart growth zoning overlay district in areas appropriate for higher density housing near transit stations,

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downtowns and other walkable commercial areas.

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The town can establish the development standards for the district,

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so this includes the building height.

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setbacks, parking requirements,

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landscaping design standards and whether ground floor commercial uses are required.

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The program also requires affordable housing in qualifying developments and it provides financial incentives to municipalities.

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So this includes a one-time payment when the district is originally approved and then additional payments as new housing is constructed over time.

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So focusing on the commuter rail for this district actually directly implements the goals of the recently adopted Som-Scott Master Plan.

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The master plan identifies both the commuter rail station and Vernon Square as the town's primary transformation nodes,

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so this is where growth should be focused.

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The master plan recommends concentrating future housing or transit utilities,

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sidewalks, and other infrastructure already exist.

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So this part of our district can provide the town with an opportunity to proactively plan for future transit-oriented housing growth while allowing the town to establish the design standards and expectations for the development.

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And next slide.

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Thank you.

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Okay,

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so this map shows the existing zoning surrounding the commuter rail station together with the current concept for the proposed 40R district.

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Since the planning board's last public hearing on July 13th, we've already made one revision based off public feedback.

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This is removing the three residential properties on the north side of Porter Place from the conceptual boundary.

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You can see it pointed out on those three properties on the map there.

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So these boundaries are not final yet and will continue to evolve as we work through the planning process.

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We are currently working with MAPC for technical assistance.

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MAPC will be providing the build-out analysis. This is to determine how many housing units the district could realistically accommodate.

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State incentive payment calculations associated with the district,

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so that's based off of that build-out analysis. They will be preparing the 40 app.

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for your application submission for EOHLC and they will also be assisting the town with drafting the design standards that govern the future development within the district and MAPC's technical work on the build-out analysis is already underway and so as of right now we are currently on schedule with this effort for consideration at the December 7th town meeting.

[Speaker 2] (1:31:24 - 1:31:26)
Did you say there was a meeting in July?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:27 - 1:31:29)
There was at the planning board meeting,

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it was a public hearing for a pre-application review of this.

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So we presented this and we heard from residents who were notified within the district that they wished to not be within the district.

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So we were getting public feedback on

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How

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these.

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was that advertised?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:45 - 1:31:53)
So it was advertised through the planning board advertisement, but we also sent out mailings to all of the properties within the district.

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So I just want to make a recommendation in the future if we could step up the advertisement on that because I think there is many people in town that will want to start giving their opinion on.

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how much growth we're actually doing, especially in that area.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:09 - 1:32:29)
Yeah, absolutely. And part of the overall plan for this is to have specific community engagement sessions once we've actually determined certain standards that once we have an idea of what those might be to get feedback from the community on those for building heights and density and things like that.

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Next slide,

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please.

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Okay,

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so this slide provides another look at the proposed 40R district area.

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You can see just how central the station is.

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The planning board also discussed the opportunity to support the future modernization of the Swampscott Housing Authority properties.

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These are represented by the two icons on the map. They're both within the district.

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So a 40R district could create a zoning framework that allows these properties to be redeveloped over time while preserving affordability, improving accessibility and creating additional housing opportunities.

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So both of those are included in this and will be considered as part of this effort when we're creating the design standards for the district.

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As we continue this process,

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there will be additional public meetings,

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planning board discussions,

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and opportunities for public comment, and continued refinement for both the district boundaries and the zoning standards.

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And all of this will happen before town meeting in December,

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but I do appreciate your comments on getting the word out for those public hearings that we will be having specifically to get public input on this.

[Speaker 2] (1:33:42 - 1:33:43)
Thank you

[Speaker 1] (1:33:46 - 1:33:48)
Yes, if you could move on to the next slide, please.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:50 - 1:33:52)
Okay, so Beyond40R,

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the planning board has also been discussing several other potential zoning amendments for consideration this year,

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and you can move on.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:00 - 1:34:06)
So there are quite a few of them, so I'll do my best to briefly touch on all of them. I can answer any questions,

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but it won't be an in-depth discussion on all the proposed language.

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So these changes include editorial corrections,

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updates required by state law,

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commercial preservation,

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outdoor dining regulations,

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amendments to the Borough Street plan development district,

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updates to our ADU regulations,

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a new building height illustration,

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and revisions proposed by the tree committee.

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So I'll briefly touch on each as we're going through this, but you can move on to the next slide.

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So this first category is largely housekeeping.

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These revisions will implement recommendations from the town's 2024 legal and editorial review that was done of the zoning code. It will improve grammar, consistency,

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terminology, formatting,

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and references throughout the bylaw.

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These were all recommendations that were created through that review.

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So there are some examples on the screen, you know.

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Improving consistency by changing Board of Appeals to Zoning Board of Appeals throughout.

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I went through and added a hyphen to all of the zoning board.

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There's a dash between A1.

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You know, consistency, things like that throughout the code.

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There are a lot of outdated references like DHCD throughout that has been updated to OHL C.

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So up.

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These updates are for consistency and correction,

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but it is throughout the entire zoning bylaws, so that is something that we just went through and made all of the changes that were in that analysis.

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Okay, next slide please.

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So this next amendment responds to recent changes in Massachusetts law.

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State law now prohibits municipalities from requiring special permits for certain child care uses.

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This proposed amendment will update the table of uses to bring the zoning bylaw into compliance by exempting family daycare uses.

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So...

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48 Section 3 was recently amended,

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and it says that no city or town shall prohibit or regulate family child care home uses in its zoning ordinances or bylaws.

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So currently we have it under an institutional use, and we will just be moving it up to be with child care facility for family daycare.

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Great.

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So this amendment responds to a growing concern about the gradual loss of ground floor commercial space in our B1 and B2 districts.

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This is something we have been talking for many months with the planning board about.

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So it has a limited amount of commercially zoned land,

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and once the commercial space is converted to residential use,

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it's very difficult to replace that. So this specific by

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by by-law um will require

[Speaker 3] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58)
Mm.

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If there is conversion of ground floor commercial use in B1 or B2 districts,

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that would require a special permit review by the Planning Board.

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It doesn't prohibit that conversion,

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it just requires a look to be taken at it, and they would basically need to justify why they're doing that so that we don't continue to lose ground floor commercial mixed uses to become completely residential buildings in town.

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um

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primarily where are the

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Wait,

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B1

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what is the B?

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and B2 districts?

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Thank

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yeah

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you for asking because I was asking the same question but didn't want to sound

[Speaker 4] (1:37:32 - 1:37:34)
No, well you can see some of them are in the railroad

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So

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district,

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it is

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but I think

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neighborhood residential so I don't have the full zoning map as part of this presentation um

[Speaker 4] (1:37:41 - 1:37:41)
Okay,

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I

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maybe

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don't we know could the just absolutely

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send it around.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:42 - 1:37:51)
um but it is neighborhood residential so a lot of them are um like pockets of neighborhood type commercial right so it's like

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It's like a corner store.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:52 - 1:37:55)
So it's the B1 and B2 are scattered throughout.

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Some of them are underlying zoning and Humphrey Street,

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which is where we have seen a lot of the conversions happen.

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And that's actually what sparked the conversation is the conversion of ground floor mixed use to completely residential on Humphrey Street is why we started talking about it.

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Just for some historical.

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you know perspective to kind of back up the answer that Christie just gave to that it's kind of around you know the train station the intersection of Paradise and Burl Street a little further up I believe Essex Street has one too those were all zoned that way when our zoning map was first created

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several decades ago and it can give you a more precise timeline but anything that's in that zone is dedicated because it's one of those Humphrey Street areas or it was that way when zoning was created

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So this proposed change basically takes that area in those two districts and requires an additional level of approval to convert the commercial space into residential or

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On the first floor specifically,

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so ground floor commercial and B1 and B2,

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if they're proposing to change it away from commercial since those are business zoning,

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it would just require a review and approval from the planning board for special.

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for special permit.

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I remember s I remember several years ago when we voted to change the Humphrey Orphale district. I think or it might have been other districts as well that was specifically noting what types of businesses could go in on the first floor. Is that related specifically to this or is this adjacent to that?

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I'm not sure about the exact change that you were talking

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We

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about,

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never

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but

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said exact businesses that could go in.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:44 - 1:39:49)
Well, there was a section a couple years back where we talked about like banks, but that was like Bennett

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We talked

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Square

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about

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and

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it, but...

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limited.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:50 - 1:39:58)
So what Wayne's probably referring to is when the Humphrey Street Overlay District was approved back in 2016,

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17 or so.

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That.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:00 - 1:40:10)
What Chris is talking about the plank we're viewing here is completely separate from the use table So if use table remains unchanged as it is today this solely reflects if you want if you have

[Speaker 5] (1:40:10 - 1:40:12)
Any name you're building on Humphrey Street now,

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if you want the first floor restaurant or coffee shop or whatever,

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if you're the landlord and you want to turn that into a condo and apartment,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:18 - 1:40:21)
right now you can do that without going before any board or committee.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:21 - 1:40:35)
Now, if this were to go through, you have to go to the planning board and get a special permit proving that that is going to be a better use of that space than the existing commercial and proving that to the planning board to get a permit in order to do that rather than being able to do it by right.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:36 - 1:40:36)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:36 - 1:40:37)
Great, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:42 - 1:40:46)
Okay, moving on to the next one, we have accessory outdoor seating.

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So during COVID,

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the town adopted temporary outdoor dining regulations.

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These expired in 2023,

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but currently still remain in our bylaw.

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So this proposal replaces those expired temporary regulations with permanent standards for restaurants and coffee shops to provide a clear and more predictable permitting process for accessory outdoor seating.

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This establishes outdoor seating as an accessory use,

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subject to a principal restaurant or coffee shop use.

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So,

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and one thing to note, to use the select board tonight,

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for a restaurant use to have accessory outdoor seating outside of the property line, so on public property or in the right of way,

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this would designate the select board needing to authorize that because zoning doesn't.

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cover anything that's outside of the boundaries or on public property so that would still be select border review to approve any outdoor seating.

[Speaker 4] (1:41:41 - 1:41:46)
Do we have specific standards for outdoor seating or is it still the Wild West?

[Speaker 2] (1:41:47 - 1:41:59)
Not yet but that's proposed as part of this so we will be this is the first half of the section and then on the next slide if you want to advance to the next slide we are proposing general standards.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:00 - 1:42:14)
as well as just some language on approvals when it's permitted by right and when it would require an approval by the board for the additional outdoor seating area.

[Speaker 6] (1:42:14 - 1:42:24)
So right now it is still sort of the Wild West other than access and like ingress egress type things like that and it's something that I've worked with Rich on to

[Speaker 6] (1:42:24 - 1:42:28)
On the enforcement side figure out what is available to us now

[Speaker 6] (1:42:29 - 1:42:35)
And then this is an opportunity to clean that up so that there are standards that everyone has very clear and reasonable access to.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:35 - 1:42:43)
Right. And the proposed standards have considerations for providing separation from vehicular traffic,

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maintaining clean and safe spaces,

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providing safe pedestrian access to the outdoor dining area,

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you know, meeting all state codes,

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accessibility,

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health,

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ABCC requirements and more.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:55 - 1:42:56)
So it kind of clears.

[Speaker 2] (1:42:55 - 1:43:12)
clears up all of those are covered under these general standards that you see on here and we have been working with the building commissioner and the planning board to refine this language and we're continuing to work with them this isn't final yet but we're we're this is a draft right now of

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I

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what we're

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don't

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thinking

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know about anybody here,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:14 - 1:43:17)
but I can tell you that I am getting complaints over access.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:19 - 1:43:28)
cleanliness people trying to walk in front of certain specific businesses and it just being a total mess and

[Speaker 2] (1:43:29 - 1:43:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:43:29 - 1:43:34)
I don't know what the enforcement is or what's going on there,

[Speaker 4] (1:43:34 - 1:43:39)
but just want to make sure you know that there's a good amount of complaints going on that...

[Speaker 3] (1:43:40 - 1:43:43)
It's harder to enforce when you're in the Wild West and you don't have rules to comply by.

[Speaker 7] (1:43:43 - 1:43:44)
Well, to be fair,

[Speaker 7] (1:43:44 - 1:43:47)
most of those businesses, if they have outreach from the town,

[Speaker 7] (1:43:47 - 1:43:48)
they have in years prior.

[Speaker 7] (1:43:49 - 1:43:51)
cleaned up situations and I'm sure they

[Speaker 6] (1:43:51 - 1:43:54)
Even, yeah, this year when Rich has made contact,

[Speaker 6] (1:43:54 - 1:44:01)
you know, to say we need a certain amount of space to move between tables both in the public way and for your they have removed seating to

[Speaker 7] (1:44:01 - 1:44:01)
accommodate

[Speaker 6] (1:44:01 - 1:44:02)
make sure it

[Speaker 7] (1:44:02 - 1:44:02)
it.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:02 - 1:44:02)
works,

[Speaker 7] (1:44:02 - 1:44:02)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:02 - 1:44:07)
but it it would be a lot easier to Chris's point if everyone has clear and predictable

[Speaker 7] (1:44:07 - 1:44:07)
Had

[Speaker 6] (1:44:07 - 1:44:07)
rules

[Speaker 7] (1:44:07 - 1:44:07)
a rule book.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:07 - 1:44:10)
that they see from the beginning as opposed to you

[Speaker 3] (1:44:10 - 1:44:10)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:10 - 1:44:11)
know us making a call and

[Speaker 3] (1:44:12 - 1:44:12)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:12 - 1:44:13)
trying to have a friendly conversation.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:13 - 1:44:16)
there's just rules that will be in place from the time that they're allowed to do

[Speaker 3] (1:44:16 - 1:44:16)
Do

[Speaker 6] (1:44:16 - 1:44:16)
it.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:16 - 1:44:20)
we need to codify any specific distances,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:20 - 1:44:23)
like for, you know, to protect the public way,

[Speaker 3] (1:44:23 - 1:44:27)
six feet, eight feet, whatever it is, do we need to set a number? Because I don't see any numbers actually set.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:28 - 1:44:29)
Here, other than, you know,

[Speaker 6] (1:44:29 - 1:44:34)
So it might be beneficial if we were to take this more specifically at another time.

[Speaker 2] (1:44:34 - 1:44:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:35 - 1:44:40)
The one that comes to mind would be ones where there's seating on both sides of the sidewalk as an example.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:40 - 1:44:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:40 - 1:44:41)
There is a...

[Speaker 6] (1:44:42 - 1:44:46)
A lane that needs to be open that earlier this year was not, as an example.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:46 - 1:44:49)
When Richard Marzi made contact with business owners,

[Speaker 6] (1:44:49 - 1:44:51)
Right. everyone sort of spread it out by removing seats.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:51 - 1:44:54)
It wasn't like, oh, we're just going to push it further to the sides.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:54 - 1:44:54)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:54 - 1:44:58)
Anyone that we've contacted said, yep, we will address it and we'll make sure that that space is available,

[Speaker 6] (1:44:58 - 1:44:59)
to Katie's point.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:59 - 1:45:01)
But to your point,

[Speaker 6] (1:45:01 - 1:45:01)
Mary Ellen,

[Speaker 6] (1:45:01 - 1:45:07)
I think it really would be helpful for everyone both on enforcement and sort of the education side for businesses if we have some.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:07 - 1:45:21)
clear standard we can certainly add the idea of giving those dimensions Wayne to the discussion that the planning board and the building commissioner others are having to see you know what we should include or if it's already something that rich points to elsewhere in

[Speaker 3] (1:45:21 - 1:45:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:21 - 1:45:21)
the code

[Speaker 3] (1:45:21 - 1:45:21)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:45:21 - 1:45:29)
so would this become an annual approval process or is this a one-time process for a period of time how do how do we consider it

[Speaker 4] (1:45:29 - 1:45:30)
With your bylaw.

[Speaker 8] (1:45:30 - 1:45:30)
So.

[Speaker 7] (1:45:30 - 1:45:31)
no I mean once the

[Speaker 6] (1:45:31 - 1:45:31)
Or

[Speaker 7] (1:45:31 - 1:45:32)
bylaw is

[Speaker 6] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
a business

[Speaker 7] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
passed

[Speaker 6] (1:45:32 - 1:45:32)
meeting

[Speaker 7] (1:45:32 - 1:45:34)
when the select board when

[Speaker 7] (1:45:34 - 1:45:38)
When a business comes before the select board for approval for outdoor seating,

[Speaker 7] (1:45:38 - 1:45:42)
is it an annual approval or is it for the length of their business?

[Speaker 3] (1:45:43 - 1:45:43)
That's my right.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:43 - 1:45:44)
No?

[Speaker 2] (1:45:44 - 1:45:44)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (1:45:44 - 1:45:46)
So it still comes before

[Speaker 6] (1:45:46 - 1:45:46)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:45:46 - 1:45:46)
the select

[Speaker 6] (1:45:46 - 1:45:46)
think Ted had something

[Speaker 7] (1:45:46 - 1:45:47)
board. So if

[Speaker 6] (1:45:47 - 1:45:47)
to say.

[Speaker 7] (1:45:47 - 1:45:50)
you refer to the slide number 10, it says,

[Speaker 5] (1:45:50 - 1:45:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:45:50 - 1:45:51)
go ahead,

[Speaker 7] (1:45:51 - 1:45:51)
Ted.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:52 - 1:45:54)
Krista, could you just help me clarify this?

[Speaker 4] (1:45:54 - 1:45:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:55 - 1:46:04)
Outdoor seating may be located on private property or on public property with the authorization from the select board or other authorities having jurisdiction.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:04 - 1:46:07)
Just out of curiosity,

[Speaker 5] (1:46:07 - 1:46:12)
does 40A give a planning board any control over land use on public property?

[Speaker 5] (1:46:12 - 1:46:19)
Like, would we be able to regulate through zoning any private use of public property?

[Speaker 2] (1:46:20 - 1:46:27)
I don't believe so, which is why we are putting this luck board in there as the one who would be able to authorize that.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:28 - 1:46:34)
So is it fair to say that all the regulations in here for outdoor seating would solely impact

[Speaker 5] (1:46:35 - 1:46:40)
of proceeding that's an acceptor use on private property so for example we

[Speaker 4] (1:46:40 - 1:46:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:40 - 1:46:48)
saw the taco Andrews Taqueria had a little outdoor thing that was before the select were not long ago that's entirely on private property

[Speaker 5] (1:46:49 - 1:46:52)
That would be subject to this, but the outdoor seating along Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 5] (1:46:52 - 1:46:54)
most of those restaurants are public property,

[Speaker 5] (1:46:54 - 1:46:56)
so they would not have to comply with this.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:56 - 1:46:57)
Is that fair assessment?

[Speaker 2] (1:46:57 - 1:47:03)
So it is intended for both, and that's something that we can figure out the wording on.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:03 - 1:47:11)
It is written as it's an accessory use to a lawfully conforming primary use of a restaurant,

[Speaker 2] (1:47:11 - 1:47:14)
and that's permitted by right. So if there's a restaurant...

[Speaker 2] (1:47:14 - 1:47:39)
and they want to put an outdoor patio on their property without going through site plan review or something like that they would be allowed to do that because it would be in a permitted accessory use to that primary use but if they wanted to do it in the right of way then they would have to go through approval from the select board and the idea is that these standards would still apply that's why we you know have some standards for you know keeping distance from

[Speaker 2] (1:47:40 - 1:47:50)
vehicles that also would apply if they wanted to do, if people wanted to do outdoor seating in a parking lot area on their property as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:50 - 1:47:52)
But the intent is that this would

[Speaker 2] (1:47:52 - 1:48:00)
hopefully apply to both and we'll just need to figure out how to make sure that this you know clearly covers both of those yeah

[Speaker 7] (1:48:00 - 1:48:00)
So again,

[Speaker 5] (1:48:00 - 1:48:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:48:00 - 1:48:01)
I feel.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:01 - 1:48:03)
I think just to finish my thought,

[Speaker 5] (1:48:03 - 1:48:03)
Katie,

[Speaker 5] (1:48:03 - 1:48:12)
I think that is just the hiccup that I'm trying to get over is I've never seen zoning be able to be applied as an enforcement mechanism for anything other than private property.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:13 - 1:48:15)
So we may just want to ask KP,

[Speaker 5] (1:48:15 - 1:48:18)
is this the right way to regulate it for our rights of way or should we?

[Speaker 5] (1:48:18 - 1:48:25)
We kick the rights-of-way regulations over to general bylaws or some other regulatory mechanism.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:26 - 1:48:28)
Yeah, that's a good question to ask them.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:28 - 1:48:29)
Right. So like, for example,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:29 - 1:48:41)
what happens if you're in Vinon Square and, you know, one of the businesses there wants to just at least put some picnic tables or put tables outside and start serving outside,

[Speaker 4] (1:48:42 - 1:48:44)
how would this play into that?

[Speaker 4] (1:48:44 - 1:48:45)
Because that's private property.

[Speaker 4] (1:48:46 - 1:49:02)
or anything any business that has private property even some businesses have space in back of their areas that they might want to have like a garden tables in their garden or whatever how does that affect them and my other question is did any businesses weigh in on this as far as what's good for them

[Speaker 2] (1:49:02 - 1:49:07)
Not yet. So this is very early draft in the process.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:07 - 1:49:09)
We will be doing, you know, as part of this.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:12 - 1:49:19)
but as of right now we just talked with the building commissioner and looked at what other towns have been doing so that's where we are right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:20 - 1:49:21)
I do think that that

[Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:25)
you know will be a valuable part of this process as we go through.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:25 - 1:49:45)
As this is written right now in Vin and Square if it's a restaurant or a coffee shop you know that's completely conforming they would potentially be allowed to by right have an accessory outdoor area so long as it meets all of those general standards so it has to be away from cars.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:47 - 1:49:55)
you know, save meet all of the plumbing, seating, you know, all of those different um building requirements as well.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:56 - 1:49:56)
So anything

[Speaker 3] (1:49:56 - 1:49:56)
So this

[Speaker 2] (1:49:56 - 1:49:56)
that.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:56 - 1:50:00)
is really going to come into play on Humphrey Street more than anything I would suspect,

[Speaker 3] (1:50:00 - 1:50:01)
right? That's really

[Speaker 1] (1:50:01 - 1:50:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:01 - 1:50:01)
Thank

[Speaker 5] (1:50:01 - 1:50:03)
And I think that's Ted the

[Speaker 1] (1:50:03 - 1:50:03)
yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:03 - 1:50:08)
p the point about making sure it applies both to public and private is really important and some

[Speaker 2] (1:50:08 - 1:50:08)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:08 - 1:50:13)
something we'll run down with K_P_ I one question I do have for the five of you is would you prefer

[Speaker 5] (1:50:14 - 1:50:15)
An annual approval,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:15 - 1:50:18)
I think that would make the most sense as same as liquor and entertainment

[Speaker 6] (1:50:18 - 1:50:19)
Yeah, I mean, I think, I

[Speaker 5] (1:50:19 - 1:50:20)
and everything else,

[Speaker 5] (1:50:20 - 1:50:20)
right?

[Speaker 6] (1:50:20 - 1:50:22)
think things change, right?

[Speaker 6] (1:50:22 - 1:50:29)
And so we do want to be able to look at it, I think, not just give grant permission.

[Speaker 5] (1:50:30 - 1:50:30)
In perpetuity.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:30 - 1:50:36)
In perpetuity, because I think it's hard to pull things back once people have it. They feel like it's a right.

[Speaker 6] (1:50:36 - 1:50:40)
And if this is not a right, but something that we're giving folks,

[Speaker 6] (1:50:40 - 1:50:45)
like then we should have a cadence for reevaluating it.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:46 - 1:50:47)
Well, I think that's

[Speaker 7] (1:50:47 - 1:50:47)
The ones

[Speaker 3] (1:50:47 - 1:50:51)
a challenge a little bit, right, 'cause that's not something we've ever done in the past.

[Speaker 3] (1:50:52 - 1:51:11)
And now we're gonna require every business that has out to our capability to come before us every single year. I would in my mind it kind of I kind of think of if there's a change to the original plan that we approve, then they'd come before us, but I I don't know in my mind that I would picture every single one every year coming uh

[Speaker 5] (1:51:11 - 1:51:12)
That's it.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:12 - 1:51:12)
for approval.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:12 - 1:51:13)
The one thing I would

[Speaker 5] (1:51:13 - 1:51:15)
You know, we just caveat for unpublic property, at least.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:15 - 1:51:16)
Right. That's

[Speaker 5] (1:51:16 - 1:51:16)
We

[Speaker 6] (1:51:16 - 1:51:16)
right.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:16 - 1:51:18)
didn't do this before 20, no one

[Speaker 3] (1:51:18 - 1:51:18)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:18 - 1:51:19)
did this before 2020.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:19 - 1:51:19)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:19 - 1:51:28)
And so it is something that we wrestled with both at the state level and at municipal level where it's like everyone wanted to do the right thing then as quickly as possible.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:28 - 1:51:30)
And then it just became part of.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:30 - 1:51:31)
what people expect anyway.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:31 - 1:51:36)
The community are part of the way the business anticipates operating.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:36 - 1:51:37)
So it's somewhere,

[Speaker 5] (1:51:37 - 1:51:40)
I think that falls in between what you or each say. I just wanted to highlight.

[Speaker 8] (1:51:40 - 1:51:42)
I mean, philosophic, sorry,

[Speaker 8] (1:51:42 - 1:51:43)
you finish what you were saying.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:43 - 1:51:51)
I was just going to say, did we did we consult the disability committee also on what their thoughts might be? Because in terms of like accessibility,

[Speaker 3] (1:51:51 - 1:51:53)
wheelchair accessibility,

[Speaker 6] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53)
I mean, that's.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:53 - 1:51:55)
That's that lane that, that's what Rich is.

[Speaker 5] (1:51:55 - 1:51:56)
Which has been having

[Speaker 3] (1:51:56 - 1:51:56)
quote-unquote

[Speaker 5] (1:51:56 - 1:51:58)
conversations about when it's

[Speaker 8] (1:51:59 - 1:51:59)
So

[Speaker 6] (1:51:59 - 1:52:00)
I think for...

[Speaker 6] (1:52:02 - 1:52:06)
I think for when we think about especially use on public way,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:06 - 1:52:15)
we should think about the cadence by which we reevaluate because the public access to it could change, the need for it could change.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:16 - 1:52:19)
And so I think like we need to be very thoughtful about that.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:19 - 1:52:22)
What was its original intended use?

[Speaker 6] (1:52:22 - 1:52:26)
And yes, we're granting a privilege to a restaurant or coffee shop to be able to utilize it.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:26 - 1:52:27)
Hopefully it's for the public good.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:27 - 1:52:29)
But if that shifts, we want to be able to have.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:29 - 1:52:36)
to have a mechanism to pull it back I don't I don't necessarily see it the same thing on private property

[Speaker 3] (1:52:36 - 1:52:36)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:36 - 1:52:36)
so

[Speaker 3] (1:52:36 - 1:52:37)
right.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:37 - 1:52:40)
maybe there's some sort of distinction we could make but at least on public way I think it's

[Speaker 8] (1:52:40 - 1:52:40)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:40 - 1:52:41)
I

[Speaker 8] (1:52:41 - 1:52:41)
yeah, I agree.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:41 - 1:52:48)
also think like sometimes these ideas like they grow and grow and they get a little out of hand and so obviously these conditions need to be

[Speaker 1] (1:52:49 - 1:52:49)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (1:52:49 - 1:52:49)
have

[Speaker 1] (1:52:49 - 1:52:49)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:49 - 1:52:55)
teeth in them so rich can enforce them because we want to be able to facilitate a public

[Speaker 6] (1:52:57 - 1:53:01)
advantage but we don't want it to then encroach on neighboring rights and things like that

[Speaker 8] (1:53:01 - 1:53:02)
Yeah, I

[Speaker 3] (1:53:02 - 1:53:02)
Definitely public.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:02 - 1:53:03)
So.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:04 - 1:53:05)
During COVID,

[Speaker 8] (1:53:06 - 1:53:17)
I think there was an essence and a philosophy of public good as to why we allotted public ways for the use of a private entity.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:18 - 1:53:20)
At this point, right,

[Speaker 8] (1:53:20 - 1:53:21)
I think...

[Speaker 8] (1:53:22 - 1:53:29)
The subject nature or the subject matter is slightly changed in terms of what public way is giving to, again,

[Speaker 8] (1:53:29 - 1:53:34)
the ability for enhancement of a private business.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:34 - 1:53:40)
I think that needs to be taken into account in that, is that fair to all businesses,

[Speaker 3] (1:53:40 - 1:53:40)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:53:40 - 1:53:41)
right?

[Speaker 8] (1:53:41 - 1:53:44)
Are we allotting the use, albeit temporary,

[Speaker 8] (1:53:44 - 1:53:49)
with, I mean, by permit, but is there a cost to not paying taxes on that extra property,

[Speaker 8] (1:53:49 - 1:53:56)
yet they're getting extended use and appreciating improved business as a result of it?

[Speaker 6] (1:53:56 - 1:53:57)
Well, we're getting an ultimate beverage,

[Speaker 6] (1:53:57 - 1:53:57)
right?

[Speaker 8] (1:53:57 - 1:53:59)
This is, but this has been...

[Speaker 8] (1:54:00 - 1:54:24)
across all towns that have been dealing with this we're not this is not a new conversation but I think people were afraid to possibly dive into it because it was we're in COVID we had it we were in a different different philosophical state of mind at the time but I think that we've come out of that and and should there be are there other examples of other towns who are potentially

[Speaker 8] (1:54:25 - 1:54:36)
giving partial use or I don't know what the right technical term is but in increasing the property tax for a certain small area.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:37 - 1:54:39)
Maybe it's relevant, maybe it's not. I just want to bring

[Speaker 3] (1:54:39 - 1:54:39)
Are we

[Speaker 8] (1:54:39 - 1:54:39)
that up.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:39 - 1:54:42)
just highlighting this stuff tonight? I mean because it seems like we're getting,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:42 - 1:54:43)
we're starting to

[Speaker 3] (1:54:44 - 1:54:48)
Are we going are we getting into the weeds or are we just doing a highlight here and then revisiting this?

[Speaker 5] (1:54:48 - 1:54:49)
the ideas

[Speaker 3] (1:54:49 - 1:54:49)
We're just asking

[Speaker 5] (1:54:49 - 1:54:49)
was a

[Speaker 3] (1:54:49 - 1:54:50)
questions and

[Speaker 5] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
highlight i think

[Speaker 3] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
just

[Speaker 5] (1:54:50 - 1:54:50)
it was just

[Speaker 1] (1:54:50 - 1:54:51)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:51 - 1:54:51)
what's

[Speaker 5] (1:54:51 - 1:54:51)
uh

[Speaker 6] (1:54:51 - 1:54:51)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:51 - 1:54:51)
what's

[Speaker 6] (1:54:51 - 1:54:52)
I just want to.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:52 - 1:54:54)
what's just I just want to what the purpose tonight is.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
because it's

[Speaker 5] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
it's

[Speaker 6] (1:54:54 - 1:54:55)
highlighting.

[Speaker 5] (1:54:55 - 1:54:56)
a high level review of

[Speaker 6] (1:54:56 - 1:54:56)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (1:54:56 - 1:54:57)
the things that are before the

[Speaker 6] (1:54:57 - 1:54:57)
but

[Speaker 5] (1:54:57 - 1:54:57)
planning board

[Speaker 6] (1:54:57 - 1:55:09)
I think it makes sense if there are from the highlight questions or concerns that we bring them up now because we don't want the planning board to go deep into this without like feeling out the path forward,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:09 - 1:55:09)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (1:55:09 - 1:55:09)
I think.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:09 - 1:55:10)
exactly. And at our.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:10 - 1:55:13)
At our planning board meeting on Monday,

[Speaker 1] (1:55:13 - 1:55:17)
we're going to have discussions and I'll summarise the feedback that we received from this session for the board.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:18 - 1:55:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:55:18 - 1:55:30)
So Wayne's Wayne's comments then about I'm sorry, Ted, one second. Wayne's comments about whether or not uh whether to consider that ad additional as far as whether or not the

[Speaker 6] (1:55:30 - 1:55:31)
Fee or tax

[Speaker 9] (1:55:31 - 1:55:31)
the fee

[Speaker 6] (1:55:31 - 1:55:31)
are effective.

[Speaker 9] (1:55:31 - 1:55:34)
or taxes or additionals that should be added in there.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:35 - 1:55:37)
Which would be which would be a part of

[Speaker 9] (1:55:37 - 1:55:37)
Just

[Speaker 8] (1:55:37 - 1:55:37)
the special

[Speaker 9] (1:55:37 - 1:55:38)
wings coming

[Speaker 8] (1:55:38 - 1:55:38)
permit

[Speaker 9] (1:55:38 - 1:55:38)
up.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:38 - 1:55:39)
It would

[Speaker 9] (1:55:39 - 1:55:39)
Well,

[Speaker 8] (1:55:39 - 1:55:39)
be

[Speaker 9] (1:55:39 - 1:55:40)
I think that was

[Speaker 8] (1:55:40 - 1:55:40)
part

[Speaker 9] (1:55:40 - 1:55:40)
in

[Speaker 8] (1:55:40 - 1:55:40)
of

[Speaker 9] (1:55:40 - 1:55:40)
there.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:40 - 1:55:41)
the special permit that comes before the select board

[Speaker 9] (1:55:41 - 1:55:42)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:42 - 1:55:43)
for public ways only.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:44 - 1:55:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:44 - 1:55:45)
Go ahead, Ted.

[Speaker 11] (1:55:45 - 1:55:50)
Right, I was going to, that's what I was going to suggest. We need to separate this into private property and

[Speaker 6] (1:55:50 - 1:55:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:50 - 1:55:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:55:50 - 1:55:51)
public

[Speaker 9] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
property

[Speaker 9] (1:55:51 - 1:55:51)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (1:55:51 - 1:55:52)
because the zoning stuff,

[Speaker 11] (1:55:53 - 1:55:57)
my gut is going to come back and tell me that KP is going to come and say,

[Speaker 11] (1:55:57 - 1:56:00)
I don't want to, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't want to try and pretend to be one.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:00 - 1:56:16)
But it's going to say use this for private property anything you want to do on public property regular to your general bylaws or another regulatory map So this is a valuable conversation to have we should have it But we should kind of divorce it from the zoning conversation we're having right now because it's probably going to be a separate conversation

[Speaker 3] (1:56:17 - 1:56:17)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:56:18 - 1:56:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:18 - 1:56:19)
Right. Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:19 - 1:56:26)
There's a liability question too when we allow private use on public property to a degree we have to figure out who's responsible.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:26 - 1:56:27)
is responsible for what,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:27 - 1:56:27)
What?

[Speaker 6] (1:56:27 - 1:56:35)
if something should happen? Um is there additional coverage, are we indemnified by the restaurant's insurance? Um things like that.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:35 - 1:56:37)
Looks like they're putting a date on it too,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
No,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
and we you don't

[Speaker 6] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
don't wan

[Speaker 3] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
remember?

[Speaker 6] (1:56:37 - 1:56:38)
you don't wanna me talk

[Speaker 3] (1:56:38 - 1:56:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:38 - 1:56:38)
about that.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:38 - 1:56:39)
No, Abram's

[Speaker 9] (1:56:39 - 1:56:39)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:39 - 1:56:40)
here, you know.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:40 - 1:56:40)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:40 - 1:56:42)
I want to rate up that we have those.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:43 - 1:56:44)
Right, I agree.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:44 - 1:56:45)
That's fair.

[Speaker 8] (1:56:45 - 1:56:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:45 - 1:56:50)
So at the state level, we did require it. I don't know what was done here when it started.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:50 - 1:56:50)
I can check.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:50 - 1:56:51)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:51 - 1:56:52)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:56:52 - 1:56:52)
I can get part of the permit

[Speaker 11] (1:56:52 - 1:56:52)
One

[Speaker 5] (1:56:52 - 1:56:53)
requirements.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:53 - 1:56:55)
of the other things that I just want to mention,

[Speaker 11] (1:56:55 - 1:56:56)
I believe when we started this,

[Speaker 11] (1:56:56 - 1:56:58)
Marcy got a number of grants.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:58 - 1:57:00)
I don't remember through which agency,

[Speaker 11] (1:57:00 - 1:57:06)
but a number of grants to essentially double the width of the sidewalks where it's at outdoor dining.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:06 - 1:57:06)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:06 - 1:57:08)
And that was really awesome.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:09 - 1:57:23)
And I know it, I don't know if the grant funding stopped or what, but we kind of went halfway down Humphrey Street and called it a day, but it might be worth on a future board meeting having just a conversation on the public side of outdoor dining,

[Speaker 11] (1:57:23 - 1:57:24)
putting a ring in our framework,

[Speaker 11] (1:57:25 - 1:57:29)
getting an update onto the sidewalk expansion and where that is, if that's over,

[Speaker 11] (1:57:29 - 1:57:33)
why it is, and next steps in this whole kind of funnel of outdoor dining law.

[Speaker 11] (1:57:33 - 1:57:34)
All over Wall Street,

[Speaker 11] (1:57:34 - 1:57:35)
on public ways.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:35 - 1:57:37)
That's a good point, Ted.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:37 - 1:57:40)
Yeah, and not to get too much into Wayne's philosophical conversation,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:40 - 1:57:45)
but I do think that there is, I do think if we considered

[Speaker 6] (1:57:47 - 1:57:48)
Taking away public dining,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:48 - 1:57:58)
especially in Humphrey Street where it faces the ocean and it's serving a public purpose that we would have public comment in here about people who think that that would be a travesty for that street.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:58 - 1:58:04)
So we do definitely want to continue that public conversation to make sure like, yeah, we're not in COVID anymore,

[Speaker 6] (1:58:05 - 1:58:11)
but is the ideology lost that we should be out creating community?

[Speaker 6] (1:58:11 - 1:58:12)
Probably I shouldn't be.

[Speaker 9] (1:58:14 - 1:58:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:14 - 1:58:15)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:15 - 1:58:23)
I appreciate the feedback and I think it was a really good point that all of this is written right now that it could apply to private,

[Speaker 1] (1:58:23 - 1:58:32)
you know, development and we will looking at the standards, we'll talk to KP law and see if maybe it needs to be just a different.

[Speaker 12] (1:58:33 - 1:58:33)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:33 - 1:58:41)
Process for select board um and we will we will look into that, but we'll focus more on the the private stuff for the zoning bylaw.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:43 - 1:58:44)
Okay, next one.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:44 - 1:58:53)
Yep. Yeah, um we can move on to the next one. Okay, so the next one that we are doing is we are reviewing potential amendments to the borough

[Speaker 1] (1:58:54 - 1:59:01)
Street senior center plan development district. So that's the senior center plan development district for the building at 89 Borough Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:02 - 1:59:04)
Currently the district, the plan development district.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:06 - 1:59:08)
Property only allows for residential uses.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:09 - 1:59:27)
So we are looking to potentially allow for permitted principal uses like the club's lodges fraternal organizations or other historically permitted uses like non-profit type uses that were in that building that currently are not allowed under the PDD zoning right now.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:28 - 1:59:31)
So we are looking to add those additional

[Speaker 1] (1:59:32 - 1:59:34)
Um, pardon me if I might use this for that site.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:35 - 1:59:47)
And just so a little more background, the reason we're coming forward with this is we had an initial conversation with the CBA to understand what their anticipated read or the chair's anticipated read on the prior non-conforming use,

[Speaker 2] (1:59:47 - 1:59:49)
which has been extinguished by time,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
Mm.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:49 - 1:59:49)
Mm.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:49 - 1:59:53)
uh which is why we feel the need to come back with something so that it would allow us to move forward.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:56 - 1:59:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:59:57 - 2:00:03)
So we currently have some legal questions into KPLaw on that one right now.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:04 - 2:00:11)
The municipal use would be exempt like if it was for rec or other purposes or does that have to be listed in the

[Speaker 5] (2:00:13 - 2:00:13)
The

[Speaker 1] (2:00:13 - 2:00:13)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:00:13 - 2:00:14)
Belden district also.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:14 - 2:00:23)
we don't have, we don't exempt municipal uses in here, so I think that's one of the reasons why we're looking into what permitted uses can be allowed.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:23 - 2:00:23)
We Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:23 - 2:00:27)
also don't have a definition for non-profit type uses in our code,

[Speaker 1] (2:00:28 - 2:00:36)
which is one of the questions that we have for KP Law because do you define it by the land use or do you define it because

[Speaker 1] (2:00:38 - 2:00:42)
We want to focus on land uses, not um tax designations,

[Speaker 5] (2:00:42 - 2:00:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:00:42 - 2:00:43)
you know, when we're in the zoning bylaws.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:43 - 2:00:47)
Even explaining this maybe by another comma for municipal

[Speaker 2] (2:00:47 - 2:00:48)
Municipal

[Speaker 5] (2:00:48 - 2:00:48)
use,

[Speaker 2] (2:00:48 - 2:00:48)
use.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:48 - 2:01:03)
it's just because if say anchor want to you know like if something happened and now anchor wants to go in there or Charlotte wants to use it as an auxiliary space for rec or something like that, we don't have to come back to town meeting. We want to make sure that building is able to fulfil whatever.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:03 - 2:01:03)
Town

[Speaker 6] (2:01:03 - 2:01:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:04 - 2:01:05)
needs, needs to service.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:05 - 2:01:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:06 - 2:01:07)
The residents need it once

[Speaker 6] (2:01:07 - 2:01:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:07 - 2:01:07)
and.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:07 - 2:01:20)
One of the things we thought about was adding like a community services facility type use rather than a non profit specifically that could encompass more community type uses so

[Speaker 5] (2:01:20 - 2:01:21)
Yeah, something like

[Speaker 1] (2:01:21 - 2:01:21)
we're

[Speaker 5] (2:01:21 - 2:01:21)
that would.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:21 - 2:01:28)
we're working on it but yeah we're working on the best way to to get that in there but that's it.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:30 - 2:01:34)
First senior center planned development district.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:35 - 2:01:36)
That's it as it exists today

[Speaker 2] (2:01:36 - 2:01:37)
That's how

[Speaker 7] (2:01:37 - 2:01:40)
I did not know that it was the senior center part of it was.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:40 - 2:01:46)
Yep, that is the name that it was, that it still has, that it was given when it was developed.

[Speaker 1] (2:01:49 - 2:01:52)
Okay, so next we have...

[Speaker 1] (2:01:54 - 2:01:59)
change for our Accessory Dwelling Unit. So following the recent statewide ADU legislation,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:01 - 2:02:09)
The planning board has encountered some scenarios where a site plan special permit is required for any new development over 500 square feet,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:09 - 2:02:25)
but the new state law exempts ADUs up to 900 square feet, so this is adding some clarification language that would say that site plan special permit approval for ADU additions exceeding 500 square feet shall not...

[Speaker 1] (2:02:26 - 2:02:33)
It shall not apply to ADUs. That way we'll be in compliance with the state law and not be requiring it when we shouldn't be.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:38 - 2:02:40)
Okay. So the next one we have in illustration,

[Speaker 1] (2:02:41 - 2:02:43)
the building commissioner actually created this.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:44 - 2:02:47)
This is not adding any anything new.

[Speaker 1] (2:02:47 - 2:02:47)
It's just

[Speaker 1] (2:02:48 - 2:03:08)
I figure at the end of the zoning bylaw to better explain for petitioners and board members and anyone who has to interpret how we interpret height in our zoning bylaw. This is just a helpful diagram to add at the end that helps show how it's measured in our zoning bylaw.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:11 - 2:03:15)
Okay. And finally, this is the last one.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:15 - 2:03:28)
The Tree Committee has proposed revisions to the landscaping requirements and they have had discussions with the Planning Board and have had multiple discussions and this is,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:28 - 2:03:31)
they voted this is the final language on their end that they want to recommend.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:33 - 2:03:36)
But basically it talks about

[Speaker 1] (2:03:36 - 2:03:38)
When you're replacing a dead tree,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:38 - 2:03:44)
you would have to replace it with the same or greater caliper, like for like.

[Speaker 1] (2:03:45 - 2:03:45)
However,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:46 - 2:03:47)
if the tree is larger than four inches,

[Speaker 1] (2:03:48 - 2:04:02)
you have multiple options. You can either replace it with a tree of equal or same caliper or replace the tree with a four inch caliper tree and then another tree would be donated to the town.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:03 - 2:04:06)
That would then equal the caliber of the original tree that was removed.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:06 - 2:04:12)
So this has been in review with the planning board.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:12 - 2:04:20)
They're going back again on Monday because they incorporated some of the revisions that the planning board had recommended,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:20 - 2:04:26)
but this is the most current language that the tree committee is recommending for this section of the bylaw.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:26 - 2:04:27)
This is on public property,

[Speaker 8] (2:04:28 - 2:04:28)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:04:28 - 2:04:30)
This is actually for parking lots.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:31 - 2:04:33)
So this is Section 3310,

[Speaker 1] (2:04:33 - 2:04:33)
and

[Speaker 8] (2:04:33 - 2:04:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:04:35 - 2:04:35)
Yeah, it's sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:35 - 2:04:38)
it's specifically for parking lot dead plantings.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:38 - 2:04:40)
You're afraid to ask another?

[Speaker 2] (2:04:40 - 2:04:44)
It's where there's an approved landscaping plan as part of the property,

[Speaker 2] (2:04:44 - 2:04:44)
correct?

[Speaker 1] (2:04:45 - 2:04:46)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:04:46 - 2:04:53)
So it's the general landscaping and screening requirements, but Section 3310 is specifically for parking lot landscaping.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:53 - 2:04:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:56 - 2:04:58)
And that's for applied department losses for the boards

[Speaker 1] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:58 - 2:04:58)
allocation.

[Speaker 5] (2:04:59 - 2:05:00)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:00 - 2:05:01)
So that would cover Vin and for instance?

[Speaker 1] (2:05:01 - 2:05:02)
Yes. Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:02 - 2:05:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:02 - 2:05:04)
And that's what sparked a lot of the conversation.

[Speaker 7] (2:05:05 - 2:05:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:08 - 2:05:09)
Thank you, Krista.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:12 - 2:05:13)
Great. Yeah. Thank you all.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:14 - 2:05:15)
If you have any other questions,

[Speaker 1] (2:05:15 - 2:05:18)
I'm happy to answer them. I appreciate the feedback.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:20 - 2:05:22)
Krista, I just want to tell you how much...

[Speaker 8] (2:05:23 - 2:05:31)
You appreciated in all the hard work we went many years without a town planner and we were specifically waiting for you.

[Speaker 8] (2:05:31 - 2:05:32)
So you do a great job

[Speaker 1] (2:05:32 - 2:05:33)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (2:05:35 - 2:05:42)
yeah Chrissy you do great thanks for coming tonight and appreciate the update and the work that you and the board have been doing so thank you very much

[Speaker 1] (2:05:42 - 2:05:43)
Yeah, thank you all

[Speaker 8] (2:05:45 - 2:05:51)
If you could just make sure that we really hit, you know, the website and social media for advertising for people to come down.

[Speaker 1] (2:05:52 - 2:06:03)
Yeah, I appreciate the feedback of getting the restaurant owners involved in the outdoor seating conversation as well as the disability commission for that conversation too.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:03 - 2:06:10)
So that's something that, you know, we will definitely look into and getting more people involved as we continue to have.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:11 - 2:06:12)
more drafts of of So these

[Speaker 7] (2:06:12 - 2:06:13)
where do

[Speaker 1] (2:06:13 - 2:06:13)
available for

[Speaker 7] (2:06:13 - 2:06:15)
we fit in the deadline,

[Speaker 7] (2:06:15 - 2:06:17)
yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:17 - 2:06:17)
Timing?

[Speaker 7] (2:06:17 - 2:06:20)
in terms of getting this on for December?

[Speaker 5] (2:06:21 - 2:06:22)
I think we're aligned.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:22 - 2:06:23)
For, to

[Speaker 5] (2:06:23 - 2:06:23)
Your message.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:23 - 2:06:24)
have this ready in time,

[Speaker 5] (2:06:24 - 2:06:25)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:25 - 2:06:27)
there's a schedule they're working on that we anticipate being able to hit.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:27 - 2:06:28)
If we slip behind,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:28 - 2:06:31)
we'll either move it to the spring or wait a full year to bring it back.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:32 - 2:06:38)
But the goal is, and MAPC laid out a schedule, they can hit the planning board and talking with the chair was okay with it.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:38 - 2:06:42)
There could be opportunities where the feedback is significant enough that we need to.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:42 - 2:06:50)
Say December doesn't make sense, but as we go through the process the plann our planning staff will make sure that we're aware of that and we'll communicate it properly.

[Speaker 11] (2:06:51 - 2:06:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:06:51 - 2:07:01)
Yeah, we have a timeline in our appendix that outlines the whole process with the warrant um deadlines and everything. So we're keeping track of it 'cause we wanna make sure that um we'll stay on track.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:02 - 2:07:07)
You know, I n I'm just gonna be up front here with the select board that I am very concerned about the overdevelopment

[Speaker 8] (2:07:08 - 2:07:10)
in the railroad area.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:10 - 2:07:13)
We've got the Westcott, we've got

[Speaker 7] (2:07:13 - 2:07:19)
Just the basic philosophical reasons why as to pretty much what everyone was talking about tonight at open comment,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:19 - 2:07:23)
I feel very, very, very similar in that particular regard.

[Speaker 5] (2:07:25 - 2:07:32)
Yeah, I think Ted and I, I won't speak for you, Ted, but I think the comments that were made last week about

[Speaker 5] (2:07:33 - 2:07:35)
I actually think somebody said at public comment,

[Speaker 5] (2:07:35 - 2:07:57)
we can say that we seriously scrutinize the use of residential without prohibiting it so that we could still see possible choices that include it so we're not limited. What I don't want to happen is I don't want to get sort of a handful of less than stellar ideas if...

[Speaker 5] (2:07:57 - 2:08:08)
because of our limitation and I totally respect the idea like that the public has spoken and said that should be the limitation sometimes

[Speaker 5] (2:08:09 - 2:08:13)
you know, we could see a picture and all of a sudden that spurs a change of heart.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:13 - 2:08:16)
I mean, look at what happened when we brought up one comment last week, Mary Ellen did

[Speaker 8] (2:08:16 - 2:08:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:17 - 2:08:20)
think, okay, well maybe that's a possibility and we should think about it.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:20 - 2:08:22)
So I just, and I'm not trying to kick the can.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:23 - 2:08:28)
I, I lean the same way you lean. And I think in the end, I agree.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:28 - 2:08:31)
Like I don't, I stood before town meeting and argued against what.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:32 - 2:08:59)
Ryan said about having residential on there because they didn't think it was what originally the intention was but I also think that we could say that in the RFP while we highly scrutinize any form of residential here you know we're not going to prohibit it from the RFP so that we can see the best programming possible for that space and if that includes residential prove it like show us what it brings to the table that also

[Speaker 1] (2:09:16 - 2:09:22)
I totally understand why you guys are sitting here saying this, and I don't disagree foundationally with what you're saying.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:22 - 2:09:27)
I just don't want to lose the opportunity to see something great, and maybe we won't, And so.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:27 - 2:09:40)
I think that the value of that parcel of land lends itself to some pretty great possibilities. And I really do believe in my mind that we will get responses to that RFP that do not include residential.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:41 - 2:09:42)
And I believe it is doable.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:42 - 2:09:46)
And it certainly might be a combination of commercial and open space,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:47 - 2:09:50)
but I really do believe that residential is not necessary.

[Speaker 2] (2:09:50 - 2:09:52)
And I really,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:52 - 2:09:56)
and I know we don't want to limit our possibilities, but again,

[Speaker 2] (2:09:56 - 2:10:07)
I think this is one of those cases where we have to take a stand because we cannot just let this go on to infinity where we debate, we're always going to have people with different opinions,

[Speaker 2] (2:10:07 - 2:10:08)
we have got.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:08 - 2:10:17)
got to put some guardrails and I think that this is a really big one that we that we have to come out and say we do not want residential there as part of that RFP oh but

[Speaker 3] (2:10:17 - 2:10:18)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:18 - 2:10:19)
I agree 100%.

[Speaker 2] (2:10:19 - 2:10:20)
Ted

[Speaker 4] (2:10:20 - 2:10:20)
Let

[Speaker 2] (2:10:20 - 2:10:21)
is trying

[Speaker 4] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
me present

[Speaker 2] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
to

[Speaker 4] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
a

[Speaker 2] (2:10:21 - 2:10:21)
say something

[Speaker 4] (2:10:21 - 2:10:22)
concept.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:22 - 2:10:25)
Let me present a concept to you all because I am

[Speaker 4] (2:10:26 - 2:10:40)
The I said this last week I've said it the week before and I said it during the campaign when I ran I am NOT advocating and I do not want and I do not think that land is good for residential with that being said I think something needs to happen to that spot

[Speaker 4] (2:10:40 - 2:10:42)
period. We need to have something there.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:42 - 2:10:56)
And when you look at some of the other comparable RFPs that have gone out in the last two years for counts of 30,000 people or less who have had a coastal property that have gone out to RFP and what the outcome of that has been.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:57 - 2:10:59)
You can look at Wickford Road Island,

[Speaker 4] (2:10:59 - 2:11:01)
Nantasket and Hull,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:01 - 2:11:03)
Narragansett Road Island,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:03 - 2:11:05)
Waterford,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:05 - 2:11:05)
Connecticut,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:06 - 2:11:08)
there's a couple in New York as well.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:08 - 2:11:18)
Many of those RFPs have come back with zero or one responses because they have all demanded a high use of public access.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:18 - 2:11:21)
No investment from the public.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:21 - 2:11:29)
And they have not allowed for enough of a revenue generation for the landholder or the developer to make the RFP work.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:30 - 2:11:36)
So the reason why I suggest that we need to be clear eyed and open eyed about this, open minded about this,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:36 - 2:11:39)
is I do not want to be here in a year not

[Speaker 1] (2:11:39 - 2:11:40)
doing this again.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:40 - 2:11:41)
having,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:41 - 2:11:42)
well,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:42 - 2:11:43)
and coming back to the town saying,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:44 - 2:11:44)
hey,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:44 - 2:11:47)
we put up all these guardrails and these are the responses we got.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:48 - 2:11:49)
And they might be not.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:50 - 2:11:51)
That's what I'm nervous about.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:51 - 2:11:57)
I don't know how this conversation again in here because we've structured this in a way that we don't get realistic responses for what this site deserves.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:58 - 2:11:58)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:58 - 2:11:59)
And based on what I'm seeing,

[Speaker 4] (2:12:00 - 2:12:04)
and I encourage you all to go look at some of these other RFPs that have gone out,

[Speaker 4] (2:12:04 - 2:12:05)
that's where the market is.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:06 - 2:12:07)
Yeah, of course it

[Speaker 3] (2:12:07 - 2:12:07)
What?

[Speaker 2] (2:12:07 - 2:12:12)
is. But, you know, the market isn't, you know, what's necessarily.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:13 - 2:12:17)
important to the 15,000 people that live here.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:17 - 2:12:21)
I mean, at some point, we can't just go by profit and market.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:21 - 2:12:27)
And of course, we have to be fiscally logical. I'm not saying just, you know, throw it out the window.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:27 - 2:12:28)
But

[Speaker 2] (2:12:29 - 2:12:41)
I just have to think in my mind that special piece of property can have a use that is other than residential. It just doesn't, does not, you know, I'm not fearful of us not getting any responses.

[Speaker 2] (2:12:42 - 2:12:43)
I don't have

[Speaker 4] (2:12:43 - 2:12:43)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (2:12:43 - 2:12:44)
that feeling at all personally.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:46 - 2:12:54)
not suggesting that I'm not suggesting that we will only get responses if we have residential there I'm suggesting that there's two things that could happen

[Speaker 4] (2:12:55 - 2:13:10)
We don't get enough responses or we don't get the quality responses because we're not putting out an RFP that has enough financial incentive for a developer to expend significant resources on it or which this scares me just as much if not more we get a great idea

[Speaker 4] (2:13:10 - 2:13:18)
but the financing of it is so extreme that we all have to come to terms with how much money do we have to go ask Tom Needing for to

[Speaker 1] (2:13:18 - 2:13:18)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:13:18 - 2:13:19)
bond

[Speaker 1] (2:13:19 - 2:13:19)
right.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:19 - 2:13:28)
this to find 10-15 million dollars to help make this an incentive for the town I just in the financial area that we're in right now I don't

[Speaker 4] (2:13:28 - 2:13:31)
know how we do that when we have a middle school we have to go bond for a hundred million dollars

[Speaker 5] (2:13:31 - 2:13:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:13:31 - 2:13:33)
in the next five to seven years.

[Speaker 2] (2:13:33 - 2:13:33)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:33 - 2:13:40)
Sure, but I think I would feel better by giving town meeting that choice when it was town meeting that made the decision to purchase this property,

[Speaker 3] (2:13:40 - 2:13:41)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:13:41 - 2:13:52)
I mean if it gets, if that is the worst case scenario where we have to go back to town meeting and say look, we did what really you intended, we tried to act, you know, as intended when you purchased it,

[Speaker 3] (2:13:52 - 2:13:55)
but this is what is going to be required to now turn it in.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:55 - 2:13:57)
it into something that is revenue producing.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:57 - 2:14:02)
I mean, that to me is giving the power back to town meeting,

[Speaker 3] (2:14:02 - 2:14:03)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:14:03 - 2:14:05)
Which is what a lot of people spoke to tonight.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:05 - 2:14:09)
I actually don't even think it's revenue producing. I just think that it's coming to fruition.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:10 - 2:14:14)
Like it's, I'm not even saying like the land has to pay for itself.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:14 - 2:14:16)
I'm just saying to develop the land,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:16 - 2:14:19)
there will need to be significant investment,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:19 - 2:14:20)
whether it comes from a developer.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:20 - 2:14:29)
developer or whether it comes from a partnership with the developer or whether it comes from us in totality with grants or other avenues right so we have to figure out how whatever

[Speaker 1] (2:14:31 - 2:14:33)
commercial slash open space.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:34 - 2:14:35)
The RFP could come back and said,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:35 - 2:14:37)
sure, we'll build a small commercial space,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:37 - 2:14:39)
but you have to develop the open space.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:39 - 2:14:39)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:39 - 2:14:39)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:14:39 - 2:14:40)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:14:40 - 2:14:40)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:40 - 2:14:45)
if you want 80% open space, fine, we'll give it back to you, but you've got to develop it. So how do we come up with 10,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:45 - 2:14:46)
7,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:46 - 2:14:47)
more million dollars,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:48 - 2:14:50)
right? We have to go back to town meeting and say,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:50 - 2:14:54)
this is the best RFP. It aligns with all the things you asked us to.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:54 - 2:14:58)
We need 7 million more dollars. So we're in a little bit of a...

[Speaker 1] (2:14:58 - 2:15:05)
a situation and and I don't mind doing that if we also brought forward and said that's option a option b is also

[Speaker 3] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:05 - 2:15:21)
if you allow for 10 residential it might cost us zero dollars and I mean I'm not saying that that it yes it's a financial trade-off that the town is going to have to make but if you today say you the we don't even want to consider

[Speaker 1] (2:15:22 - 2:15:23)
Answer B,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:23 - 2:15:26)
we don't, because town meeting doesn't want to consider it, fine.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:26 - 2:15:33)
I'm here to put forward that our job to sit on this board is to have a contingency plan.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:33 - 2:15:36)
And I believe in plan A,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:36 - 2:15:37)
we'll put forward plan A,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:37 - 2:15:40)
we'll put parameters on that say we prefer plan A.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:40 - 2:15:43)
We don't want you to come to plan B if you don't consider plan A first,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:43 - 2:15:46)
but if no plan A has come to the table,

[Speaker 1] (2:15:47 - 2:15:48)
I want to be able to say to town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:48 - 2:15:55)
meeting we had the knowledge of forethought to come up with plan B and this is what it is so that you don't have to wait for us to come for it again.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:56 - 2:16:02)
You know, I respect what you're saying as far as having to have that other option.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:02 - 2:16:03)
However,

[Speaker 6] (2:16:03 - 2:16:10)
I do not want to see residential there under any circumstances. And I'm hearing that pretty much from

[Speaker 3] (2:16:10 - 2:16:10)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:16:10 - 2:16:12)
every member of this board.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
So,

[Speaker 3] (2:16:13 - 2:16:13)
mean, I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:16:13 - 2:16:14)
I'm listening

[Speaker 4] (2:16:14 - 2:16:14)
listening to

[Speaker 6] (2:16:14 - 2:16:14)
to.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:14 - 2:16:16)
vote on it tonight we should just get it off the table then

[Speaker 1] (2:16:16 - 2:16:16)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (2:16:16 - 2:16:16)
because

[Speaker 1] (2:16:16 - 2:16:17)
we should just take it off the table.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:17 - 2:16:40)
be frank we are wasting so much time talking about this the only reason I wanted to bring up my perspective tonight is I want this board to be clear-eyed that if we do not offer a way for a developer to underwrite the significant investment I think all of us are hoping they will make on their diamond as property we will very likely face either bad results from an RFD

[Speaker 4] (2:16:40 - 2:16:45)
in terms of quality response or great results, but hey, we need you to kick in ten, fifteen

[Speaker 1] (2:16:45 - 2:16:45)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:45 - 2:16:46)
five

[Speaker 7] (2:16:46 - 2:16:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:46 - 2:16:47)
million dollars.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:47 - 2:16:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:16:47 - 2:16:49)
So long as we're clear-eyed about that, let's take a vote and move on.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:49 - 2:16:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:50 - 2:16:50)
But I i i

[Speaker 7] (2:16:50 - 2:16:51)
Quick question.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:51 - 2:16:51)
Go ahead, yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:16:52 - 2:17:00)
What's the difference if we have residential agreements versus a commercial agreement that benefit uh that's a

[Speaker 1] (2:17:01 - 2:17:01)
What's the underwriting

[Speaker 7] (2:17:01 - 2:17:02)
benefit

[Speaker 1] (2:17:02 - 2:17:02)
requirement?

[Speaker 7] (2:17:02 - 2:17:02)
to to

[Speaker 1] (2:17:02 - 2:17:02)
What's

[Speaker 7] (2:17:02 - 2:17:02)
all?

[Speaker 1] (2:17:02 - 2:17:04)
the benefit to the underwriting to have commercial

[Speaker 1] (2:17:05 - 2:17:08)
only versus commercial slash residential is what the question is right in

[Speaker 7] (2:17:08 - 2:17:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (2:17:09 - 2:17:10)
yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:10 - 2:17:11)
Which under which?

[Speaker 7] (2:17:11 - 2:17:11)
Commercial only.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:11 - 2:17:17)
order to finance it is there a greater benefit if you have residential available for a developer

[Speaker 6] (2:17:17 - 2:17:20)
Well, it has to be whatever the projected revenue is going to be.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
Why couldn't

[Speaker 6] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
In

[Speaker 7] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
you get

[Speaker 6] (2:17:20 - 2:17:21)
their

[Speaker 7] (2:17:21 - 2:17:21)
that

[Speaker 6] (2:17:21 - 2:17:21)
assumptions?

[Speaker 7] (2:17:21 - 2:17:24)
through rental of commercially available property?

[Speaker 6] (2:17:24 - 2:17:25)
It can.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:25 - 2:17:32)
You're always going to have an easier time getting underwriting when you include residential.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:32 - 2:17:33)
functionality is facility.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:33 - 2:17:38)
Always and every single time. And there's a reason why if you look at any lifestyle center conversion project,

[Speaker 4] (2:17:39 - 2:17:42)
they all include residential because that's what they need to make the financing work.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:42 - 2:17:42)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:42 - 2:17:50)
And there's a certain member of your board who's three months ago could have given a much more eloquent specific answer to that, but that's the best I have for my planning and commercial development experience.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:50 - 2:17:52)
So maybe the answer then is to

[Speaker 3] (2:17:54 - 2:18:03)
Say that we would negatively weight a residential response to the RFP to not eliminate it But to say that if you if you that we will negatively

[Speaker 1] (2:18:03 - 2:18:10)
Residential will negatively impact your with your criteria score however you say it

[Speaker 3] (2:18:10 - 2:18:18)
I mean at the very minimum we would have to do that as at a very minimum right that that's my feeling I would love to say no residential altogether

[Speaker 3] (2:18:19 - 2:18:23)
That is my personal opinion. I think it's been clear,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:23 - 2:18:26)
the number of people that have come here tonight and the way that it's said,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:26 - 2:18:28)
be it social media,

[Speaker 3] (2:18:28 - 2:18:36)
be it email, be it in person, people taking the time to come down here and say what they really want or what they really thought that purchase was for.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:36 - 2:18:39)
I don't think we can just throw it out the window.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:39 - 2:18:43)
I wouldn't feel right doing that, even if it is going to give us...

[Speaker 3] (2:18:44 - 2:18:53)
maybe some less than stellar responses, which I'm not even sure it's going to. I really can't even conclusively say that I don't think we won't get a decent proposal that comes out of

[Speaker 7] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
this.

[Speaker 7] (2:18:53 - 2:18:54)
mean, what of our what are our

[Speaker 2] (2:18:57 - 2:19:01)
what are our expectations of what this final project's going to look like, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:19:02 - 2:19:08)
So if we're thinking along the lines that it is going to be mixed commercial use and open space,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:08 - 2:19:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:09 - 2:19:12)
I don't even see residential fitting into this.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:12 - 2:19:13)
No, I Well, don't either.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:13 - 2:19:15)
I don't see the commercial happening without the residential.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:15 - 2:19:16)
So I don't think I don't

[Speaker 4] (2:19:16 - 2:19:16)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:16 - 2:19:20)
think they'll get underwriting to build the commercial without the residential.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:20 - 2:19:22)
When they built Vinnin Square, do they have residential in mind?

[Speaker 1] (2:19:22 - 2:19:22)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:22 - 2:19:23)
Yeah, they

[Speaker 3] (2:19:23 - 2:19:23)
they

[Speaker 2] (2:19:23 - 2:19:24)
No they, no.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:24 - 2:19:26)
I'm talking not, I'm saying when they originally built it.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:26 - 2:19:27)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:27 - 2:19:30)
Oh, but when they built it 50 years ago, it was a strip

[Speaker 3] (2:19:30 - 2:19:30)
As a strip mall.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:30 - 2:19:32)
mall. You can't compare,

[Speaker 3] (2:19:32 - 2:19:33)
We're not talking

[Speaker 4] (2:19:33 - 2:19:40)
well, first it was a covered mall, then it was a strip mall, but you can't compare commercial development in the 1960s to where it is 60 years later.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:40 - 2:19:41)
Right, but Market Street,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:41 - 2:19:43)
let's look at Market Street, right? They didn't

[Speaker 3] (2:19:43 - 2:19:43)
There is residential

[Speaker 1] (2:19:43 - 2:19:45)
they there. there is now, but there was

[Speaker 4] (2:19:45 - 2:19:45)
There

[Speaker 1] (2:19:45 - 2:19:45)
originally

[Speaker 4] (2:19:45 - 2:19:45)
is no.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:45 - 2:19:47)
when they put Market Street, it was all commercial,

[Speaker 1] (2:19:47 - 2:19:48)
Was was

[Speaker 5] (2:19:48 - 2:19:48)
market

[Speaker 1] (2:19:48 - 2:19:48)
it not?

[Speaker 5] (2:19:48 - 2:19:49)
market street?

[Speaker 1] (2:19:49 - 2:19:49)
Market

[Speaker 4] (2:19:49 - 2:19:50)
There is no

[Speaker 1] (2:19:50 - 2:19:50)
Street

[Speaker 4] (2:19:50 - 2:19:50)
no

[Speaker 1] (2:19:50 - 2:19:50)
on Winfield?

[Speaker 4] (2:19:50 - 2:19:50)
no.

[Speaker 5] (2:19:50 - 2:19:50)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:50 - 2:19:51)
There is no

[Speaker 1] (2:19:51 - 2:19:51)
Market

[Speaker 4] (2:19:51 - 2:19:51)
market street

[Speaker 1] (2:19:51 - 2:19:51)
Street has is

[Speaker 4] (2:19:51 - 2:19:52)
800

[Speaker 1] (2:19:52 - 2:19:52)
there residential

[Speaker 4] (2:19:52 - 2:19:52)
single

[Speaker 1] (2:19:52 - 2:19:53)
always there?

[Speaker 4] (2:19:53 - 2:19:53)
and town homes.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:54 - 2:19:54)
But not above.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:55 - 2:19:55)
No, it's over

[Speaker 3] (2:19:55 - 2:19:56)
No, it's over

[Speaker 2] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
It's

[Speaker 3] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
on

[Speaker 2] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
on the side.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
the side.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:56 - 2:19:57)
Exactly.

[Speaker 5] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
yeah

[Speaker 4] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
It's on the

[Speaker 3] (2:19:57 - 2:19:58)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:19:58 - 2:19:58)
lots other side.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:58 - 2:19:58)
bigger.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:58 - 2:20:05)
Yeah, I think it's like a little bit of apples and oranges because the lot's much smaller and you're trying to build smaller amount of commercial space.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
space if

[Speaker 4] (2:20:05 - 2:20:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:06 - 2:20:14)
you had more room do I think that you could get away with commercial only probably but there's not enough room on that lot to do that so like I think

[Speaker 3] (2:20:16 - 2:20:21)
I mean, I am happy to say that it's negative, a negative impact if you put residential on there.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:21 - 2:20:25)
I just don't want to cross it out totally. I am happy.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:25 - 2:20:29)
I am not throwing out anybody's opinion by doing that.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:29 - 2:20:36)
I am just keeping the door open so that in case we get to a point where there are no options or very few options,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:36 - 2:20:41)
we can still consider that as an option. And we would say to town meeting and to the public.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:41 - 2:20:45)
We listened to you, we negatively impacted it, and this was still the best idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:45 - 2:20:45)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:45 - 2:20:52)
And it's not based on revenue drive or anything like that. It's literally based on having something happen on that piece of land,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:52 - 2:20:54)
like actually bringing something to fruition.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:54 - 2:20:59)
We saw how thinly the margin of the Hadley was when we negotiated that RFP.

[Speaker 3] (2:20:59 - 2:21:02)
I mean, we had to go back and renegotiate.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:03 - 2:21:12)
certain levers and mechanisms to make that happen and you know it's just that the development is so tight these days

[Speaker 2] (2:21:12 - 2:21:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:21:12 - 2:21:20)
that in order to see something come to fruition and I'm not saying I have a ton of experience but having just gone through what we went through with the Hadley like

[Speaker 3] (2:21:21 - 2:21:27)
I just want to be a little bit thoughtful about how that process came to be and give space because

[Speaker 1] (2:21:27 - 2:21:31)
But we were able to do it. We were able to do it and not have an

[Speaker 3] (2:21:31 - 2:21:32)
we because

[Speaker 1] (2:21:32 - 2:21:33)
iota of residential,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:33 - 2:21:34)
we kept the well that

[Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:35)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:36 - 2:21:37)
I'm just saying, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:21:37 - 2:21:43)
It was able to happen. It's happening as we... We're in the middle of it, right?

[Speaker 3] (2:21:43 - 2:21:47)
We, I think, Delamar would love to build a hotel on Hawthorne instead of a family, to be honest,

[Speaker 3] (2:21:47 - 2:21:49)
but that's not the option.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:49 - 2:21:52)
To Danielle's point, let's look at it for this way,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:52 - 2:21:53)
and I just want to say,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:53 - 2:21:54)
I,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:54 - 2:21:55)
from the start,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:55 - 2:21:59)
have thought we should say residential development is highly,

[Speaker 4] (2:21:59 - 2:22:02)
highly discouraged and you'll be disinfranchised.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:03 - 2:22:22)
This is that device for providing that, period, end of story, move on. But I don't think it's the right thing to eliminate it. But if the board thinks that way, I'm happy to be part of it and and move on and we can go by eliminating it now. But the one thing I just want to say, because this is all part of a, you know, a tapestry with different colors that have to get weaved together.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:23 - 2:22:27)
We are asking for a commercial, small footprint commercial,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:27 - 2:22:27)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:22:27 - 2:22:28)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:28 - 2:22:29)
We've been encouraged to not have

[Speaker 4] (2:22:30 - 2:22:33)
to try to keep it as low stories as possible.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:34 - 2:22:51)
So, we are also asking to have some form of parking, whether it's public parking or private parking on the site for the commercial and the open space. We're also having conversations of forty to sixty to now seventy, seventy five percent open space on that site. So, of all of the things that I just mentioned,

[Speaker 4] (2:22:52 - 2:22:57)
how does someone who's in the development business respond to an R_F_P_

[Speaker 4] (2:22:57 - 2:23:01)
make their money, if they're trying to keep 70% of the site open space,

[Speaker 4] (2:23:01 - 2:23:04)
have some level of parking for the commercial development they're have,

[Speaker 4] (2:23:04 - 2:23:05)
one,

[Speaker 4] (2:23:05 - 2:23:11)
maybe one and a half stories of commercial development that they're going to be allowed to have there, which is probably 12 to 20,000 square feet.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:11 - 2:23:16)
That doesn't lend to a significant amount of money to be able to amortize your expense.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:16 - 2:23:20)
But we're not asking for those parameters. We're just asking to not have residential.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:20 - 2:23:29)
I'm not going to request a parameter of no 70% open space. I'm not. I wouldn't commit to that. I wouldn't put a number on that.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:29 - 2:23:31)
I would say a certain portion of open space.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:31 - 2:23:33)
But do you know what I'm saying?

[Speaker 1] (2:23:33 - 2:23:36)
The only parameter in my head right now is no residential.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:36 - 2:23:37)
That's the only thing that.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:38 - 2:23:56)
My suggestion is every direction we're going to get pushed is going to pull the amount of money a developer is going to be able to recoup on their investment in the space and increase the amount of time it's going to take them to recoup that investment. So every decision we make is going to impact how they're going to be able to recoup their investment that they're putting into this.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:56 - 2:23:56)
So my

[Speaker 1] (2:23:56 - 2:23:57)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:23:57 - 2:23:59)
reason in bringing this up is...

[Speaker 4] (2:24:00 - 2:24:06)
Unfortunately, unless we foot the bill for this, we have to have that lens in mind if we want something to get done.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:06 - 2:24:07)
So again, I go back to the residential.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:08 - 2:24:11)
I think we should disincentivize it, but I think we should just vote tonight and move on.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:11 - 2:24:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:11 - 2:24:12)
All clear

[Speaker 1] (2:24:12 - 2:24:12)
I do,

[Speaker 4] (2:24:12 - 2:24:12)
eyes.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:12 - 2:24:12)
too.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:12 - 2:24:12)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:24:12 - 2:24:12)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:24:12 - 2:24:13)
do,

[Speaker 4] (2:24:13 - 2:24:13)
may

[Speaker 1] (2:24:13 - 2:24:13)
too.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:13 - 2:24:16)
have to come back to town meeting in the next few years and say, look,

[Speaker 4] (2:24:16 - 2:24:20)
we need a lot of money to do this because this is the stipulations that you have.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:20 - 2:24:20)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:20 - 2:24:21)
I'm fine with doing that.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:21 - 2:24:27)
I just all want us to be clear-eyed that it's very likely we could have to do that. And I want the community to know that we may have to do that. It's just reality.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:27 - 2:24:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:28 - 2:24:28)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:28 - 2:24:34)
I want to be able to say to the proponents of open space who thought this whole thing should be open space, like, hey.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:34 - 2:24:35)
It's like, hey,

[Speaker 3] (2:24:35 - 2:24:38)
a bid came in that has this 75% open space,

[Speaker 3] (2:24:39 - 2:24:47)
25% commercial mixed use, but it has residential on top, or this other response maybe has 50% commercial, 50% open space.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:47 - 2:24:49)
Is that a trade-off you want to make?

[Speaker 3] (2:24:50 - 2:24:53)
Like, I want to be able to offer that up as an option.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:53 - 2:24:55)
But that's exactly what we're doing, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:24:55 - 2:24:56)
Because it's then,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:56 - 2:24:58)
if we have to come back and say, okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:58 - 2:25:00)
it's going to take us seven or eight million,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:00 - 2:25:01)
the decision is yours.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:01 - 2:25:08)
It is in the hands of the people that gave the power to even acquire a lot of land,

[Speaker 1] (2:25:08 - 2:25:08)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:25:08 - 2:25:12)
As opposed to us just saying what should happen there.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:12 - 2:25:20)
So if we get into a pickle like that and we don't get responses that are going to be, you know, okay, one restaurant with a park or whatever we're thinking it's going to be.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:20 - 2:25:25)
be then okay we're going to bring it back to you and say okay this is what we've got what do you want to do right what's the decision

[Speaker 4] (2:25:25 - 2:25:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:26 - 2:25:40)
where do you want to go as opposed to us just coming in and saying okay we're going to take any you know we're going to take residential we're going to take whatever proposals come out of this thing you know what I mean and not really enforcing what people wanted to do in the first place

[Speaker 1] (2:25:42 - 2:25:42)
I don't know.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:42 - 2:25:42)
Well

[Speaker 1] (2:25:42 - 2:25:47)
I just, I would not limit anything else. You know, I wouldn't have a hard stance on parking.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:47 - 2:25:50)
I wouldn't take a hard stance on percentage of open space.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:50 - 2:25:54)
But I think this one area is where we have to take the hard stance.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:55 - 2:25:56)
No, no residential.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:56 - 2:26:01)
The rest of it, have at it. Like, let's see what you can come up with. Let's, I mean, it's a special property.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:01 - 2:26:05)
Like, surely someone can come up with something that doesn't have residential.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:05 - 2:26:07)
That's my thought.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:09 - 2:26:12)
Can I pretend to be the chair and just ask somebody to make a motion so we can move on?

[Speaker 7] (2:26:13 - 2:26:14)
So I'd make a motion,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:14 - 2:26:14)
I've made a

[Speaker 7] (2:26:14 - 2:26:14)
I'd

[Speaker 3] (2:26:14 - 2:26:15)
couple

[Speaker 7] (2:26:15 - 2:26:15)
make

[Speaker 3] (2:26:15 - 2:26:15)
of that

[Speaker 7] (2:26:15 - 2:26:15)
a motion,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:15 - 2:26:16)
three times

[Speaker 4] (2:26:16 - 2:26:16)
can you

[Speaker 3] (2:26:16 - 2:26:16)
now.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:16 - 2:26:16)
repeat that?

[Speaker 7] (2:26:16 - 2:26:17)
I'd make a You motion,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:17 - 2:26:18)
can make a motion, Ted.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
I'd

[Speaker 3] (2:26:18 - 2:26:19)
Why don't you make the motion?

[Speaker 3] (2:26:21 - 2:26:22)
Go ahead, Mary Ellen, sorry.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:22 - 2:26:23)
I was going to make the motion,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:23 - 2:26:23)
You

[Speaker 7] (2:26:23 - 2:26:23)
but Ted,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:23 - 2:26:23)
can't.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:23 - 2:26:27)
if you want, so I'm going to make a motion to eliminate residential use.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:27 - 2:26:27)
Two passes.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:28 - 2:26:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:28 - 2:26:33)
I can just say I am glad that we had this conversation and we put this to bed and we can move on.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:33 - 2:26:41)
Yeah. And I don't think it is a waste of time. Yes, have we talked about it a lot, but I think people need to be able to reference back these conversations and see how we got here.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:41 - 2:26:44)
If we, whatever situation we get in going forward,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:44 - 2:26:49)
they need to be able to say the board had a robust discussion with multiple facets considered

[Speaker 7] (2:26:49 - 2:26:50)
Transparently.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:50 - 2:26:52)
transparently, multiple

[Speaker 2] (2:26:52 - 2:26:52)
Fair enough.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:52 - 2:26:55)
public occasions, and it came to a conclusion.

[Speaker 4] (2:26:56 - 2:27:09)
And I think I just before I just want to say I don't think and this is for the public more so no one was advocating for residential here We're just trying to get as many options for all of us to be able to make an informed decision period end of story nobody wants

[Speaker 4] (2:27:10 - 2:27:15)
To see another large building on Humphrey Street go block views that should be open to the public or access.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:15 - 2:27:19)
I think every member of the board was clear that they don't want to see residential there,

[Speaker 3] (2:27:19 - 2:27:20)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:20 - 2:27:20)
right?

[Speaker 3] (2:27:20 - 2:27:25)
One more time for the people in the back. None of us want to see residential use here, just to be clear.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:26 - 2:27:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:27 - 2:27:30)
Okay, so do we want to move on to another um

[Speaker 7] (2:27:30 - 2:27:30)
Topic.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:30 - 2:27:35)
I think Danielle had made the recommendation that this was the only parameter we put on and we

[Speaker 1] (2:27:35 - 2:27:42)
Honestly, I really think that the rest of it, we we leave it open ended. We we do not put parameters on parking,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:43 - 2:27:43)
having parking,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:44 - 2:27:52)
you know, whether it's uh what is the other municipal parking, building reuse versus demolition. Not weighing in on that. If someone wants to give a proposal that

[Speaker 1] (2:27:52 - 2:27:57)
includes keeping that building and turning it into a big banquet facility or a restaurant,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:57 - 2:28:01)
I'm open to it. I'm not, I wouldn't put any parameters on anything else. Synergy,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:01 - 2:28:02)
no.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:03 - 2:28:03)
Personally,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:03 - 2:28:08)
I think we've given enough direction at this point to create this at the table.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:08 - 2:28:14)
Do you say parameters as in like hard stop line in the sands or as in like

[Speaker 2] (2:28:14 - 2:28:15)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:15 - 2:28:16)
Propose it all.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:16 - 2:28:19)
incentive like should we

[Speaker 4] (2:28:19 - 2:28:22)
The more open space somebody has in a proposal,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:22 - 2:28:25)
the more plus points they get on their application,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:25 - 2:28:26)
like Ruger consensus,

[Speaker 4] (2:28:26 - 2:28:28)
which is your definition of what you're defining.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:29 - 2:28:30)
I don't want to define any of it.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:30 - 2:28:31)
I don't either.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:31 - 2:28:36)
I want to leave it completely open-ended with the only caveat that there is no residential.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:36 - 2:28:36)
Could

[Speaker 1] (2:28:36 - 2:28:37)
That's my personal opinion.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:37 - 2:28:46)
The only, I do have a question though, is in the, when we did the Hadley, how did we add in financing and timeliness?

[Speaker 7] (2:28:47 - 2:28:48)
of the project,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:48 - 2:28:48)
Hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49)
was it in the

[Speaker 1] (2:28:48 - 2:28:49)
Was it in the

[Speaker 3] (2:28:49 - 2:28:50)
In the guidelines.

[Speaker 2] (2:28:50 - 2:28:51)
Was there anything

[Speaker 1] (2:28:51 - 2:28:52)
Was it

[Speaker 2] (2:28:52 - 2:28:54)
any guidelines or anything saying that?

[Speaker 3] (2:28:54 - 2:28:55)
In the highly R_F_P_

[Speaker 1] (2:28:55 - 2:28:59)
In the highly R_F_P_ I don't know if we I know we asked for

[Speaker 3] (2:28:59 - 2:29:00)
This is my honk on.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:00 - 2:29:03)
we asked for it uh at the time that

[Speaker 3] (2:29:04 - 2:29:06)
This is my trash folder, sorry. It's a lot of folders.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:06 - 2:29:10)
I just I don't remember if it was one of the line items that was graded.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:13 - 2:29:19)
So well Katie looks for that and I can look in a second too. We do need to prioritize like

[Speaker 2] (2:29:19 - 2:29:20)
Mm-hmm

[Speaker 4] (2:29:20 - 2:29:35)
demolition versus reuse because to Ted's point like we need to be able to communicate what the priorities and goals of the community are to those that are responding and it could be that we draft it without that information right now and it gives you guys a couple weeks off from

[Speaker 4] (2:29:36 - 2:29:39)
discussing this in when we get the draft to you

[Speaker 5] (2:29:39 - 2:29:39)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:39 - 2:29:49)
that's when you but we we kind of have to give like a a scale of like this is a priority or a goal and it will be you know it's highly recommended versus recommended

[Speaker 3] (2:29:49 - 2:29:49)
But the

[Speaker 2] (2:29:49 - 2:29:49)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:29:49 - 2:29:49)
priority

[Speaker 4] (2:29:49 - 2:29:50)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:29:50 - 2:29:50)
then the

[Speaker 1] (2:29:50 - 2:29:51)
I don't want to give that.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
the only

[Speaker 4] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
area

[Speaker 4] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
that

[Speaker 4] (2:29:51 - 2:29:52)
so

[Speaker 2] (2:29:52 - 2:29:52)
there should that

[Speaker 4] (2:29:52 - 2:29:52)
I understand

[Speaker 2] (2:29:52 - 2:29:53)
I would say

[Speaker 4] (2:29:53 - 2:29:53)
you may

[Speaker 2] (2:29:53 - 2:29:53)
is

[Speaker 4] (2:29:53 - 2:29:53)
not want

[Speaker 2] (2:29:53 - 2:29:53)
the open

[Speaker 4] (2:29:53 - 2:29:54)
to do

[Speaker 2] (2:29:54 - 2:29:54)
space.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:54 - 2:29:59)
it but we're we're not how are we able to measure how can we communicate what we're measuring to

[Speaker 3] (2:29:59 - 2:29:59)
Right,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:59 - 2:29:59)
people

[Speaker 3] (2:29:59 - 2:29:59)
because

[Speaker 4] (2:29:59 - 2:29:59)
that

[Speaker 3] (2:29:59 - 2:29:59)
we

[Speaker 4] (2:29:59 - 2:30:00)
are interested

[Speaker 3] (2:30:00 - 2:30:02)
have to tell people whether their answer is good or bad.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:02 - 2:30:02)
bad so

[Speaker 4] (2:30:02 - 2:30:03)
So it

[Speaker 2] (2:30:03 - 2:30:04)
Right, it has to be weighted.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:04 - 2:30:05)
it can't be

[Speaker 4] (2:30:05 - 2:30:05)
could

[Speaker 3] (2:30:05 - 2:30:06)
super accurate

[Speaker 4] (2:30:06 - 2:30:10)
be that we draft it without that. Like I said, you can continue to hear feedback,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:10 - 2:30:15)
we can come back in a few weeks and there'll be something that you can then say, here are these topics in writing,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:15 - 2:30:17)
you did a poor job drafting,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:17 - 2:30:17)
a good job drafting,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:17 - 2:30:18)
and we have to now assign

[Speaker 2] (2:30:18 - 2:30:19)
Well, I think

[Speaker 4] (2:30:19 - 2:30:20)
value

[Speaker 2] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
to

[Speaker 2] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
open

[Speaker 4] (2:30:20 - 2:30:20)
it.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:20 - 2:30:24)
space piece of it is the second most important factor, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:30:25 - 2:30:26)
Maybe some people would think it's first,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:26 - 2:30:28)
but to me that would be the next in order of.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:28 - 2:30:34)
of priority, right? It it should, if it can incorporate I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:34 - 2:30:35)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35)
So I

[Speaker 2] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35)
don't

[Speaker 4] (2:30:35 - 2:30:35)
think,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:35 - 2:30:39)
know the wording, but a decent amount of open space, then it would be higher rank.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:39 - 2:30:41)
And that's where you guys can weigh in on how, how

[Speaker 6] (2:30:41 - 2:30:42)
I'd like the draft,

[Speaker 4] (2:30:42 - 2:30:42)
we put together, you can

[Speaker 6] (2:30:42 - 2:30:46)
I'd like to, I'd like to define when we talk about open space,

[Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
Community access

[Speaker 6] (2:30:46 - 2:30:46)
I think, I

[Speaker 2] (2:30:46 - 2:30:47)
open

[Speaker 6] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
think it's

[Speaker 2] (2:30:47 - 2:30:47)
space.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:47 - 2:30:49)
both access, but it's also ocean views.

[Speaker 6] (2:30:50 - 2:30:55)
I think when we talk about openness, blocking the view of the ocean is

[Speaker 6] (2:30:56 - 2:31:02)
a part of this. I think it's what part of the expectation is within the community is certainly part of mine, however um

[Speaker 2] (2:31:02 - 2:31:04)
Unrestricted community access.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:05 - 2:31:11)
I I want to I want to I want to you know hit a little bit on the building we use versus demolition.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:12 - 2:31:16)
I've always said that if you want to you

[Speaker 6] (2:31:17 - 2:31:18)
I'm not suggesting that's an all or nothing.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:18 - 2:31:29)
I'm suggesting that if a developer finds that it's for whatever reason profitable for them to do so, right, that they could knock part of it down or transform some of the use of it,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:29 - 2:31:31)
maybe it's not financially equitable.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:32 - 2:31:33)
It's not for me to decide that.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:33 - 2:31:34)
However,

[Speaker 6] (2:31:34 - 2:31:41)
I would strongly like it noted that I want a view.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:41 - 2:31:48)
from the street of the ocean that may be challenged by how the buildings are developed.

[Speaker 6] (2:31:48 - 2:32:04)
I do support having a building closer to the street but it depends also if we have the church property available at some point because that also opens up a clear view and some obvious open space.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:04 - 2:32:06)
So while that's still in play

[Speaker 6] (2:32:08 - 2:32:10)
It's an uncomfortable, I don't want to say it's uncomfortable,

[Speaker 6] (2:32:10 - 2:32:16)
there's too many variables at stake to clearly say knock it down or keep the whole thing.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:16 - 2:32:20)
That's why I want clear view of the ocean and

[Speaker 3] (2:32:20 - 2:32:20)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:20 - 2:32:21)
unrestricted

[Speaker 3] (2:32:21 - 2:32:23)
Unrestricted community access.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:23 - 2:32:25)
community access.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:28 - 2:32:28)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:32:28 - 2:32:28)
And,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:28 - 2:32:29)
hold on.

[Speaker 6] (2:32:29 - 2:32:30)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
When

[Speaker 1] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
Ted's

[Speaker 7] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
we say

[Speaker 1] (2:32:30 - 2:32:32)
trying to talk.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:32 - 2:32:34)
unrestricted community access,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:35 - 2:32:35)
I,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:35 - 2:32:37)
in theory I like that, right?

[Speaker 6] (2:32:37 - 2:32:38)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:38 - 2:32:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:38 - 2:32:43)
A percentage of it, not the entire thing, but there has to be a significant portion that is.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:44 - 2:32:45)
Allocated

[Speaker 7] (2:32:45 - 2:32:45)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:45 - 2:32:45)
for.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:45 - 2:32:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:46 - 2:32:51)
That was the only trepidation I was getting. Let's say somebody puts in a mixed use banquet restaurant,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:52 - 2:32:52)
for example,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:52 - 2:32:58)
of outdoor seating and they want to be able to rent out the park for a wedding one day a week or something like that.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:58 - 2:33:02)
You know, we don't want to, we want to be able to consider that option without saying, no, we can't do that.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:02 - 2:33:03)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (2:33:03 - 2:33:03)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:03 - 2:33:03)
Why wouldn't

[Speaker 6] (2:33:03 - 2:33:04)
Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:04 - 2:33:09)
we then just say we would grant more points?

[Speaker 3] (2:33:09 - 2:33:16)
to greater usage of these things as prioritized rather than trying to come up with arbitrary numbers

[Speaker 6] (2:33:16 - 2:33:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:16 - 2:33:27)
so like we would just say like okay if if we all agree that oh so now residential is off the table and then we all agree open space is number one if that if that is what we all agree then we say the biggest portion of

[Speaker 3] (2:33:28 - 2:33:32)
open space is the like the more open space the higher the weight that is

[Speaker 2] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
given Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:32 - 2:33:51)
and then you say whatever your second criteria is and maybe it's um i don't know building demolition or whatever just pick one and then say like okay so if you have 50 open space and the building is demolished now you are higher in weight than just 20 open space right you're like creating a rubric for them to

[Speaker 2] (2:33:51 - 2:33:51)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:51 - 2:33:55)
maybe to answer the questions so that they could

[Speaker 3] (2:33:55 - 2:33:55)
take

[Speaker 2] (2:33:55 - 2:33:56)
In

[Speaker 3] (2:33:56 - 2:33:56)
their financing

[Speaker 2] (2:33:56 - 2:33:56)
just that way.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:56 - 2:34:03)
and say okay we have the financing and we have the rubric and so now we're going to answer to the highest and best use that the town dictated so

[Speaker 6] (2:34:03 - 2:34:04)
Well do

[Speaker 3] (2:34:04 - 2:34:05)
we just have to come in order

[Speaker 1] (2:34:06 - 2:34:10)
So I just want to two things. One is do we know where we stand with

[Speaker 3] (2:34:10 - 2:34:10)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:34:10 - 2:34:10)
that?

[Speaker 3] (2:34:10 - 2:34:12)
the R_ f I'd have to request the R_ f_b_

[Speaker 1] (2:34:12 - 2:34:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:12 - 2:34:14)
I can't access you have it.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:14 - 2:34:16)
I'm trying no, I'm trying to get into it. I didn't look in.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:16 - 2:34:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:17 - 2:34:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:17 - 2:34:18)
The Marsy's folders.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:18 - 2:34:30)
So for me, um the ability to finance it because I don't want to see like me and Danielle putting in an R_F_P_ for whatever and we really don't have the deep pockets, well

[Speaker 1] (2:34:31 - 2:34:33)
I maybe Daniel has a deep park

[Speaker 2] (2:34:33 - 2:34:33)
Just

[Speaker 1] (2:34:33 - 2:34:40)
to to make a big building and have eighty percent open space. I just want to make sure that we financially we have legitimate

[Speaker 2] (2:34:40 - 2:34:40)
It's like

[Speaker 1] (2:34:40 - 2:34:40)
it's

[Speaker 3] (2:34:40 - 2:34:41)
a wherewithal,

[Speaker 2] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
a good idea

[Speaker 1] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:34:41 - 2:34:41)
too,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:41 - 2:34:42)
so that is

[Speaker 2] (2:34:42 - 2:34:42)
right.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:42 - 2:34:57)
that's important. The other thing that's really important is the synergy to the hotel and the commercial corridor and then open space after that, because you we're gonna have open space no matter what in that area but have something that's gonna be able to support

[Speaker 1] (2:34:58 - 2:34:59)
the livelihood

[Speaker 2] (2:34:59 - 2:34:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:59 - 2:35:03)
of that area and make the whole downtown work to

[Speaker 2] (2:35:03 - 2:35:03)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:03 - 2:35:04)
me is really important.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:04 - 2:35:05)
We don't want it to be a warehouse,

[Speaker 2] (2:35:05 - 2:35:06)
right? I mean,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:06 - 2:35:06)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:06 - 2:35:10)
we don't want it to be a, I don't know, parking lot,

[Speaker 2] (2:35:10 - 2:35:10)
I don't know.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:11 - 2:35:13)
Yeah, so the only thing that I

[Speaker 3] (2:35:14 - 2:35:24)
outside of getting all these emails related to residential the next thing that came through most in public comment is open space so for us to not make that the next

[Speaker 2] (2:35:24 - 2:35:25)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:25 - 2:35:27)
most important option would

[Speaker 2] (2:35:27 - 2:35:27)
I agree.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:27 - 2:35:31)
sort of invalidate why we took residential off the table in

[Speaker 2] (2:35:31 - 2:35:31)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:35:31 - 2:35:31)
my opinion

[Speaker 2] (2:35:31 - 2:35:31)
agree.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:31 - 2:35:36)
Well, I think two things that you have a number of committees that have

[Speaker 1] (2:35:36 - 2:35:56)
bound together to come in and to be a loud voice. Alright, that's one thing. We also have other committees that have been nothing personal, but we've had other committees that are also loud voices that they wanna see economic development and they have contacted us too. So I don't want it to be a battle of who's the loudest and who's sent in the most amount of emails.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:57 - 2:35:59)
No but when we came before town. We I say

[Speaker 2] (2:35:59 - 2:35:59)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:35:59 - 2:35:59)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:35:59 - 2:36:00)
think the original

[Speaker 3] (2:36:00 - 2:36:00)
came not.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:00 - 2:36:01)
intent of

[Speaker 3] (2:36:01 - 2:36:01)
Not not

[Speaker 3] (2:36:01 - 2:36:07)
Not us, but when the board came before town meeting to sell this property to town meeting to purchase,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:07 - 2:36:10)
nobody promised economic development on that land.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:10 - 2:36:15)
Nobody stood up before town meeting and said, we're going to have commercial mixed use here.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:15 - 2:36:17)
They use the word open space.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:17 - 2:36:17)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (2:36:17 - 2:36:17)
That

[Speaker 2] (2:36:17 - 2:36:18)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:18 - 2:36:18)
is how,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:18 - 2:36:19)
that is the.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:20 - 2:36:24)
You know, the sort of switch that everybody clicked and

[Speaker 1] (2:36:24 - 2:36:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:24 - 2:36:25)
decided,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:25 - 2:36:25)
okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:25 - 2:36:28)
this is why we want to invest in this parcel.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:28 - 2:36:37)
So if we are using, and I'm fine to say residential is off the table because that does not align with what was sold at town meeting,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:37 - 2:36:38)
then it would be...

[Speaker 3] (2:36:39 - 2:36:49)
To me, disingenuous not to put open space as the number one item that we say to the RFP respondent to say, if you are not prioritizing open space,

[Speaker 3] (2:36:49 - 2:36:52)
then you better rethink this because that

[Speaker 6] (2:36:52 - 2:36:52)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:52 - 2:36:53)
is a

[Speaker 1] (2:36:53 - 2:36:54)
You're going to be scored lower.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
consideration.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
You're

[Speaker 6] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
I'm okay with that,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
not.

[Speaker 6] (2:36:54 - 2:37:00)
but do we want to give more inclination as to what we desire for the use of that

[Speaker 3] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
open No,

[Speaker 6] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
space?

[Speaker 3] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
I don't

[Speaker 2] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
No,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
want to give

[Speaker 2] (2:37:00 - 2:37:01)
I want

[Speaker 3] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
any

[Speaker 2] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
them to be

[Speaker 3] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
inclination

[Speaker 2] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
financially

[Speaker 6] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:01 - 2:37:02)
viable.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
whatsoever,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:02 - 2:37:03)
to be honest.

[Speaker 6] (2:37:03 - 2:37:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:04 - 2:37:05)
I want some to

[Speaker 7] (2:37:05 - 2:37:05)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:37:05 - 2:37:05)
be funny

[Speaker 7] (2:37:05 - 2:37:06)
don't know. I think there's value.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:06 - 2:37:13)
I think there's value in the definition I want to say all of from the open space recreation committee shared with us on

[Speaker 3] (2:37:13 - 2:37:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:14 - 2:37:19)
public comment last week, which was just purely the definition of open space for national law,

[Speaker 7] (2:37:19 - 2:37:21)
and I don't think it was editorialized beyond that.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:22 - 2:37:24)
I thought that was valuable and

[Speaker 2] (2:37:24 - 2:37:24)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:24 - 2:37:33)
I think we can I think we could define it I think that's great to define what we think what we are saying open spaces so that they have a clear understanding of how then to

[Speaker 2] (2:37:34 - 2:37:34)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:34 - 2:37:38)
depict that but I don't think we should be putting any more boundaries

[Speaker 7] (2:37:38 - 2:37:39)
Like take

[Speaker 3] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39)
on

[Speaker 7] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39)
the ball courts or something

[Speaker 3] (2:37:39 - 2:37:40)
yeah pickleball

[Speaker 6] (2:37:40 - 2:37:41)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
courts

[Speaker 2] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
No.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:41 - 2:37:41)
I

[Speaker 7] (2:37:42 - 2:37:43)
had to throw the joke in there

[Speaker 3] (2:37:43 - 2:37:45)
yeah poor Marzi

[Speaker 2] (2:37:46 - 2:37:52)
No, I think I I think really there is not another direction to go in for number two, so to speak.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:52 - 2:37:53)
Yeah, is that

[Speaker 2] (2:37:53 - 2:37:53)
Uh,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:53 - 2:37:53)
one?

[Speaker 2] (2:37:53 - 2:37:59)
to Mary Ellen's point, financially viable has got to be the n uh is equally as important if not more.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:59 - 2:38:01)
So it was the third

[Speaker 4] (2:38:02 - 2:38:15)
A criteria by which the proposal is evaluated, the financial resources and confirmation of ability to care financing necessary for the scope of the development and the respondent's financial proposal to partner with the town.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:15 - 2:38:18)
So most advantageous was someone with a positive historical record.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:18 - 2:38:18)
Is that in here?

[Speaker 2] (2:38:19 - 2:38:20)
I think it has to be part of it.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:20 - 2:38:21)
Yeah, I mean,

[Speaker 1] (2:38:21 - 2:38:21)
I

[Speaker 3] (2:38:21 - 2:38:21)
these

[Speaker 1] (2:38:21 - 2:38:21)
do.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:21 - 2:38:21)
I'm just

[Speaker 3] (2:38:21 - 2:38:22)
are

[Speaker 1] (2:38:22 - 2:38:22)
wondering

[Speaker 3] (2:38:22 - 2:38:22)
just a

[Speaker 1] (2:38:22 - 2:38:22)
at the

[Speaker 3] (2:38:22 - 2:38:22)
list

[Speaker 1] (2:38:22 - 2:38:22)
timing.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:22 - 2:38:23)
of items

[Speaker 4] (2:38:23 - 2:38:23)
These

[Speaker 3] (2:38:23 - 2:38:23)
that

[Speaker 4] (2:38:23 - 2:38:24)
were topics

[Speaker 3] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
rich in

[Speaker 4] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
that

[Speaker 3] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
items

[Speaker 4] (2:38:24 - 2:38:24)
we wanted

[Speaker 3] (2:38:24 - 2:38:25)
you that

[Speaker 4] (2:38:25 - 2:38:26)
all to give us feedback. This

[Speaker 2] (2:38:26 - 2:38:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:26 - 2:38:27)
is one that I think it's

[Speaker 3] (2:38:27 - 2:38:28)
I mean, people

[Speaker 4] (2:38:28 - 2:38:28)
great that you highlighted,

[Speaker 4] (2:38:28 - 2:38:29)
but we're going to include it

[Speaker 1] (2:38:29 - 2:38:32)
I'm only, I'm only, oh, okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:32 - 2:38:32)
we

[Speaker 1] (2:38:32 - 2:38:32)
I'm only

[Speaker 4] (2:38:32 - 2:38:32)
would include

[Speaker 1] (2:38:32 - 2:38:32)
bringing

[Speaker 4] (2:38:32 - 2:38:32)
it

[Speaker 1] (2:38:32 - 2:38:32)
it

[Speaker 4] (2:38:32 - 2:38:32)
in the draft.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:32 - 2:38:34)
up because it wasn't on the agenda.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:34 - 2:38:34)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:34 - 2:38:39)
These were items that we thought you all might have disagreement on that we wanted to get direction

[Speaker 2] (2:38:39 - 2:38:39)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:39 - 2:38:41)
for in seeing something come to fruition,

[Speaker 3] (2:38:41 - 2:38:44)
which is why we only limited how many months.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:47 - 2:38:47)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:47 - 2:38:50)
because we wanted to bring something long-term to fruition.

[Speaker 2] (2:38:50 - 2:38:50)
Permanent solution.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:50 - 2:38:52)
So I think that is

[Speaker 3] (2:38:52 - 2:38:52)
Do we have

[Speaker 1] (2:38:52 - 2:38:53)
very much aligned

[Speaker 3] (2:38:53 - 2:38:53)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:38:53 - 2:38:53)
to what's

[Speaker 3] (2:38:53 - 2:38:54)
you gave

[Speaker 1] (2:38:54 - 2:38:54)
happening.

[Speaker 3] (2:38:54 - 2:38:57)
some some wording of what that financial viability

[Speaker 4] (2:38:58 - 2:38:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:58 - 2:38:58)
We

[Speaker 3] (2:38:58 - 2:38:58)
looks

[Speaker 1] (2:38:58 - 2:38:59)
mean, we

[Speaker 3] (2:38:59 - 2:38:59)
like

[Speaker 1] (2:38:59 - 2:38:59)
think that the hat

[Speaker 2] (2:38:59 - 2:38:59)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:38:59 - 2:38:59)
we,

[Speaker 2] (2:38:59 - 2:39:00)
have it.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:00 - 2:39:00)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:39:01 - 2:39:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:02 - 2:39:03)
Okay, so we're saying

[Speaker 2] (2:39:03 - 2:39:04)
Wait, what about timeliness?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:05 - 2:39:05)
What about hand?

[Speaker 5] (2:39:05 - 2:39:06)
has it already

[Speaker 1] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
Has

[Speaker 5] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
been

[Speaker 1] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
it

[Speaker 6] (2:39:06 - 2:39:06)
Deadline.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:06 - 2:39:07)
cut?

[Speaker 5] (2:39:07 - 2:39:09)
it's just for development timeliness of development.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:10 - 2:39:12)
You mean like we're not saying we're not

[Speaker 5] (2:39:12 - 2:39:12)
Like

[Speaker 1] (2:39:12 - 2:39:12)
going

[Speaker 5] (2:39:12 - 2:39:12)
how to quickly

[Speaker 1] (2:39:12 - 2:39:12)
issue

[Speaker 5] (2:39:12 - 2:39:14)
they can complete this project.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:14 - 2:39:14)
yes. Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:14 - 2:39:15)
Correct, correct.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:20 - 2:39:21)
I'll have to look more.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:21 - 2:39:23)
I think it is a criteria, but I don't know that like

[Speaker 6] (2:39:23 - 2:39:26)
I don't think it's in the top sort of five or six that are laid out here, but I'll look.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:26 - 2:39:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:27 - 2:39:30)
Um one thing I just want to briefly touch on because

[Speaker 10] (2:39:30 - 2:39:32)
. .

[Speaker 1] (2:39:32 - 2:39:36)
Feedback. Um it came up in a couple of the

[Speaker 1] (2:39:37 - 2:39:42)
comments that we received today is sale versus lease sale

[Speaker 3] (2:39:42 - 2:39:42)
Is what?

[Speaker 1] (2:39:42 - 2:39:49)
versus lease because they think a lot of people are under the misinformation that we just want to sell this to developers we

[Speaker 5] (2:39:49 - 2:39:50)
I thought we already voted

[Speaker 7] (2:39:50 - 2:39:50)
We already

[Speaker 5] (2:39:50 - 2:39:51)
on settled it. We voted

[Speaker 7] (2:39:51 - 2:39:51)
that.

[Speaker 5] (2:39:51 - 2:39:52)
to throw it out.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:52 - 2:39:56)
we did i'm clarifying for the public who has the misconception

[Speaker 7] (2:39:56 - 2:39:56)
Can't be expanding

[Speaker 1] (2:39:56 - 2:39:56)
through

[Speaker 7] (2:39:56 - 2:39:57)
there.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:57 - 2:39:58)
public through their comment to us

[Speaker 7] (2:39:58 - 2:39:58)
That we're

[Speaker 1] (2:39:58 - 2:39:59)
that

[Speaker 7] (2:39:59 - 2:39:59)
selling it

[Speaker 1] (2:39:59 - 2:39:59)
they

[Speaker 7] (2:39:59 - 2:39:59)
to developers.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:59 - 2:40:04)
maybe missed the vote on this already and we agreed to lease not

[Speaker 1] (2:40:04 - 2:40:05)
to sell. So just

[Speaker 6] (2:40:05 - 2:40:06)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:06 - 2:40:06)
to be clear

[Speaker 8] (2:40:06 - 2:40:06)
To

[Speaker 1] (2:40:06 - 2:40:06)
to the

[Speaker 8] (2:40:06 - 2:40:07)
be public. clear,

[Speaker 8] (2:40:07 - 2:40:07)
town

[Speaker 5] (2:40:07 - 2:40:08)
Very good.

[Speaker 8] (2:40:08 - 2:40:11)
meeting has to vote on the sale of any public property, so that

[Speaker 1] (2:40:11 - 2:40:11)
There you

[Speaker 8] (2:40:11 - 2:40:11)
would

[Speaker 1] (2:40:11 - 2:40:11)
go.

[Speaker 8] (2:40:11 - 2:40:15)
require a lot more of a runway even if we did want to do it, which we do not, period,

[Speaker 8] (2:40:15 - 2:40:16)
hard stop.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:16 - 2:40:17)
Thank you, Ted.

[Speaker 5] (2:40:17 - 2:40:24)
Okay, so does this now kind of settle this piece of it with enough clarity that...

[Speaker 6] (2:40:25 - 2:40:26)
Yeah, I think

[Speaker 5] (2:40:26 - 2:40:26)
Oh, of course.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:26 - 2:40:31)
if we come back with a draft there might be a most advantageous least advantageous discussion that you all would

[Speaker 5] (2:40:32 - 2:40:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:32 - 2:40:33)
need to engage in.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:33 - 2:40:34)
But this is like a

[Speaker 5] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34)
But this

[Speaker 1] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34)
and

[Speaker 5] (2:40:34 - 2:40:34)
is very

[Speaker 6] (2:40:34 - 2:40:35)
And we

[Speaker 5] (2:40:35 - 2:40:35)
different

[Speaker 6] (2:40:35 - 2:40:35)
can

[Speaker 1] (2:40:35 - 2:40:35)
directory

[Speaker 5] (2:40:35 - 2:40:35)
than the

[Speaker 1] (2:40:35 - 2:40:35)
original for

[Speaker 6] (2:40:35 - 2:40:36)
certainly

[Speaker 5] (2:40:36 - 2:40:36)
our criteria.

[Speaker 6] (2:40:36 - 2:40:45)
take a you know if there's something that we don't feel like there's any direction we will leave it completely blank. If not we can include it in the draft and you all can just direct us to make edits that are

[Speaker 6] (2:40:46 - 2:40:48)
necessary inappropriate I think as long as that's alright with you all

[Speaker 3] (2:40:48 - 2:40:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:40:48 - 2:40:49)
Yeah, great.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:49 - 2:40:54)
And so I just want to be clear for up from the to the public what the next steps are.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:55 - 2:41:00)
Town staff will draft a version of an RFP.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:00 - 2:41:00)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:00 - 2:41:03)
This will come back on the agenda to discuss.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:03 - 2:41:07)
It will be discussed at least twice,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:07 - 2:41:08)
I will say, at least twice.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:09 - 2:41:11)
We agree that it will be discussed twice.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:12 - 2:41:13)
Probably more than

[Speaker 5] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13)
twice,

[Speaker 5] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:13 - 2:41:16)
but this is not the last time for public engagement.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:16 - 2:41:16)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:16 - 2:41:19)
There is more time for public engagement and we encourage.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:20 - 2:41:26)
folks outside of open space and rec to come before us and talk about whatever they wish to see but you mean the backup to the agenda?

[Speaker 5] (2:41:26 - 2:41:32)
No, just the agenda. When you put it on, when you post the select board meetings, are the agendas posted

[Speaker 1] (2:41:32 - 2:41:33)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:33 - 2:41:33)
at that time?

[Speaker 1] (2:41:33 - 2:41:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:34 - 2:41:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:34 - 2:41:41)
So anybody in town will be able to see there's a meeting on a certain date and here's the agenda of what we're talking about.

[Speaker 5] (2:41:41 - 2:41:41)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:43 - 2:41:43)
Can

[Speaker 1] (2:41:43 - 2:41:43)
And that

[Speaker 9] (2:41:43 - 2:41:43)
you describe

[Speaker 1] (2:41:43 - 2:41:44)
that describes

[Speaker 9] (2:41:44 - 2:41:44)
some,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:44 - 2:41:45)
all the things we talked

[Speaker 3] (2:41:45 - 2:41:45)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:41:45 - 2:41:45)
about.

[Speaker 3] (2:41:45 - 2:41:55)
would also encourage the public at large to sign up for alerts and emails that you can get directly anytime any agenda by any committee in town is posted,

[Speaker 3] (2:41:55 - 2:41:57)
you'll get an email with a link to that.

[Speaker 9] (2:41:58 - 2:41:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:58 - 2:42:00)
And that's on the Notify Me,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:00 - 2:42:02)
not on the code red. There's

[Speaker 3] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
On

[Speaker 1] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
two separate.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:02 - 2:42:02)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:42:02 - 2:42:04)
This is on the website,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:04 - 2:42:05)
notify me,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:05 - 2:42:05)
Okay,

[Speaker 6] (2:42:05 - 2:42:05)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:42:05 - 2:42:05)
great.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:05 - 2:42:07)
town's website.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:10 - 2:42:10)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:42:10 - 2:42:11)
I I

[Speaker 3] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
maybe

[Speaker 5] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
don't think

[Speaker 3] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
we can

[Speaker 5] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
I'll go

[Speaker 3] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
just

[Speaker 5] (2:42:11 - 2:42:11)
to that.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:11 - 2:42:15)
start reminding people that they can

[Speaker 1] (2:42:15 - 2:42:15)
If you put

[Speaker 3] (2:42:15 - 2:42:16)
have

[Speaker 1] (2:42:16 - 2:42:16)
it in

[Speaker 3] (2:42:16 - 2:42:16)
access

[Speaker 1] (2:42:16 - 2:42:16)
the newsletter,

[Speaker 3] (2:42:16 - 2:42:16)
to that.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:16 - 2:42:21)
this is the second go around and we'll keep advertising on the socials as well.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:21 - 2:42:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (2:42:22 - 2:42:22)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (2:42:22 - 2:42:24)
Maybe we can see if Katie can put it in with the census too.

[Speaker 3] (2:42:25 - 2:42:25)
Perfect.

[Speaker 11] (2:42:25 - 2:42:26)
Amazing.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:27 - 2:42:28)
Isn't that censored?

[Speaker 6] (2:42:28 - 2:42:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:29 - 2:42:40)
Okay. And the agendas are posted outside on the inside town hall as well as outside by the library at the kiosk. So if you don't have a way to access them online, they are typically posted there.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:41 - 2:42:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:42 - 2:42:43)
Just one last note on the RFP,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:43 - 2:42:44)
No,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:44 - 2:42:44)
if

[Speaker 1] (2:42:44 - 2:42:44)
Ted,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:44 - 2:42:45)
I can't.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:45 - 2:42:45)
please.

[Speaker 5] (2:42:45 - 2:42:46)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:47 - 2:42:51)
And I don't think this will be, I think we'll probably all be in here and ask.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:52 - 2:42:55)
Are we all in agreement that we want to preserve where we eat?

[Speaker 12] (2:42:56 - 2:42:57)
We want to attempt,

[Speaker 12] (2:42:57 - 2:43:06)
we want to prioritize development on closer to the street side and we would rather have open space beyond the ocean side to the extent feasible.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:06 - 2:43:07)
Is that generally kind

[Speaker 5] (2:43:07 - 2:43:08)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:08 - 2:43:09)
of a consensus?

[Speaker 5] (2:43:09 - 2:43:09)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:09 - 2:43:10)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:10 - 2:43:14)
I just point out the fact that if we, again,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:14 - 2:43:15)
do get the church property,

[Speaker 5] (2:43:15 - 2:43:15)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:15 - 2:43:23)
there's the opportunity for a wide, an asset of the open space itself with ocean views. So that's why I.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:23 - 2:43:24)
Until that's settled,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:24 - 2:43:30)
I feel a little bit in limbo with my determination to level the property,

[Speaker 3] (2:43:31 - 2:43:32)
in its entirety at least.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:32 - 2:43:33)
Well, I think we...

[Speaker 12] (2:43:33 - 2:43:35)
Yeah, I take the property leveling,

[Speaker 12] (2:43:35 - 2:43:46)
I guess we should think about that as well, but I was kind of taking that out of my calculation on this only so much as so town staff can kind of have the parameter of if the building is not there.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:47 - 2:43:50)
You know, commercial development should be encouraged to be closer to the street

[Speaker 3] (2:43:50 - 2:43:50)
Agreed.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:50 - 2:43:51)
escape and open space

[Speaker 3] (2:43:51 - 2:43:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:51 - 2:43:52)
should be encouraged closer to the water side.

[Speaker 3] (2:43:52 - 2:43:53)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (2:43:53 - 2:43:56)
If the building still there is, you know, we can have that conversation ahead of us, I guess.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:58 - 2:43:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:59 - 2:43:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:00 - 2:44:01)
We you're

[Speaker 5] (2:44:01 - 2:44:01)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:01 - 2:44:01)
not going

[Speaker 5] (2:44:01 - 2:44:01)
you're not.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:01 - 2:44:02)
back.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:02 - 2:44:02)
Nope.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:02 - 2:44:07)
I'm sorry. You can come back to the next time that the RFP comes up and we will definitely hear a public comment.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:07 - 2:44:07)
So

[Speaker 5] (2:44:07 - 2:44:08)
Or email us.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:08 - 2:44:08)
Yep

[Speaker 3] (2:44:08 - 2:44:18)
Katie, will there be a public hearing where there can be free flow back and forth at any point to this or will it only be public comment and then

[Speaker 5] (2:44:18 - 2:44:18)
I hate

[Speaker 3] (2:44:18 - 2:44:18)
we discuss?

[Speaker 5] (2:44:18 - 2:44:19)
that we can't respond,

[Speaker 5] (2:44:19 - 2:44:20)
to be quite honest.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:20 - 2:44:21)
But that's me.

[Speaker 5] (2:44:21 - 2:44:22)
I like interactive.

[Speaker 13] (2:44:23 - 2:44:24)
two-way communication,

[Speaker 13] (2:44:24 - 2:44:24)
but

[Speaker 1] (2:44:24 - 2:44:24)
I

[Speaker 13] (2:44:24 - 2:44:24)
I,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:24 - 2:44:25)
mean, we can discuss

[Speaker 13] (2:44:25 - 2:44:26)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:26 - 2:44:36)
the opportunity to have one by itself public hearing where we present the draft and people are allowed to get in.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:37 - 2:44:38)
We can discuss that idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:38 - 2:44:40)
We've had that multiple times in this process already.

[Speaker 3] (2:44:40 - 2:44:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:41 - 2:44:54)
You know, you're sort Yeah. of damned if you do and damned if you don't because you get criticized for those types of processes because then people feel like, okay, you know, I wasn't listened to or it's being misconstrued or like, so yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:54 - 2:44:57)
we can certainly consider it, Wayne, is what I'm trying to say.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:58 - 2:45:03)
All right, let's move on to item number six, which is discussion on parking enforcement.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:04 - 2:45:10)
So the idea tonight was to vote on fines. In the course of continued research,

[Speaker 6] (2:45:10 - 2:45:15)
we found that the board and your wisdom voted in April of 25 to

[Speaker 5] (2:45:15 - 2:45:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:16 - 2:45:17)
Just like I we thought. thought we did.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
raise these.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:18 - 2:45:24)
And so the first one I found was in 23. I think when you all did the beaches and then 25 was adding.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:25 - 2:45:25)
everyone.

[Speaker 13] (2:45:25 - 2:45:26)
Everybody's not here in 23.

[Speaker 13] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
I can't

[Speaker 6] (2:45:26 - 2:45:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 13] (2:45:27 - 2:45:27)
speak to that.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:27 - 2:45:28)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:45:28 - 2:45:29)
Well, in 25 we were trying to foster revenue.

[Speaker 6] (2:45:30 - 2:45:40)
Upon finding that out, talked to Gino who was TA at the time and the chief and so there is not a clear understanding of why it was not changed immediately.

[Speaker 3] (2:45:40 - 2:45:41)
What was

[Speaker 6] (2:45:41 - 2:45:41)
Because

[Speaker 3] (2:45:41 - 2:45:41)
it?

[Speaker 6] (2:45:41 - 2:45:41)
I it was

[Speaker 5] (2:45:41 - 2:45:46)
have a clear understanding of why it wasn't. I mean, I really feel like, you know, we.

[Speaker 5] (2:45:47 - 2:45:58)
we have people in charge and I really like to know why why we didn't print these books saying what the fine was so to me my understanding is the job didn't get done

[Speaker 13] (2:45:59 - 2:45:59)
That's

[Speaker 6] (2:45:59 - 2:46:06)
Right. I was looking for the root cause that we could try to correct in terms of was there a process that broke or something like that, but I don't disagree with you.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:06 - 2:46:07)
We're right here.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:07 - 2:46:08)
There was no process, to be honest.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:08 - 2:46:12)
What's the pro I mean, we said it, we w uh how much more of a process do you do you

[Speaker 1] (2:46:12 - 2:46:12)
Well,

[Speaker 13] (2:46:12 - 2:46:12)
need?

[Speaker 1] (2:46:12 - 2:46:13)
I mean there was no, there was

[Speaker 6] (2:46:13 - 2:46:13)
To implement.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:13 - 2:46:15)
a follow through to implement, that's the problem.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:16 - 2:46:18)
That's what I want to correct. I don't disagree with what you're saying at all.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:19 - 2:46:21)
So what was approved again for

[Speaker 6] (2:46:21 - 2:46:21)
Seventy

[Speaker 3] (2:46:21 - 2:46:21)
the iPad?

[Speaker 6] (2:46:21 - 2:46:22)
five dollars.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
Seventy five.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
$75.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
The cable,

[Speaker 13] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:46:22 - 2:46:23)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:23 - 2:46:23)
yeah.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:25 - 2:46:27)
So 15 months of not charging

[Speaker 6] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27)
Correct.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:27 - 2:46:27)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:46:27 - 2:46:28)
Right.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:28 - 2:46:28)
correctly.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:28 - 2:46:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:30 - 2:46:32)
That's a that's a performance issue.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:33 - 2:46:38)
And I don't know where the fault lies. I'm not going to try to sit here and figure it out, to be honest.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:38 - 2:46:44)
But I want to know how we're going to go about right now as of tomorrow charging $75 for each fine.

[Speaker 6] (2:46:44 - 2:46:50)
So the fines in the book now say 25. They can hand notate that they are 75,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:50 - 2:46:51)
and they will begin doing that immediately.

[Speaker 13] (2:46:51 - 2:46:54)
How long will it take them to print new books or get new books?

[Speaker 6] (2:46:54 - 2:46:55)
I asked what the inventory was,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:55 - 2:46:57)
so we know we have an idea of, you know,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:57 - 2:46:59)
if they've just gotten a delivery,

[Speaker 6] (2:46:59 - 2:47:00)
I would rather they hand notate.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:00 - 2:47:01)
notate them and

[Speaker 1] (2:47:01 - 2:47:01)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:01 - 2:47:03)
we don't waste the money on the printing.

[Speaker 5] (2:47:03 - 2:47:03)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (2:47:03 - 2:47:03)
If

[Speaker 5] (2:47:03 - 2:47:03)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:03 - 2:47:08)
they're at the end, then the next round, it whether it's at the beginning or the end, the next round will save seventy five.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:08 - 2:47:11)
won't matter tomorrow. We're gonna s we're already charging.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:11 - 2:47:13)
But I don't wanna sort of burn if we're

[Speaker 3] (2:47:13 - 2:47:14)
Do we

[Speaker 6] (2:47:14 - 2:47:14)
if we have inventory.

[Speaker 13] (2:47:14 - 2:47:19)
Got to call all those people back over the last fifteen months and say by the way you owe another fifty bucks on that.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:19 - 2:47:22)
Do we need to have some sort of sticker that goes onto

[Speaker 1] (2:47:22 - 2:47:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:23 - 2:47:24)
onto the book

[Speaker 1] (2:47:24 - 2:47:24)
It's

[Speaker 6] (2:47:24 - 2:47:24)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:24 - 2:47:24)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:47:24 - 2:47:25)
David's

[Speaker 3] (2:47:25 - 2:47:25)
page

[Speaker 1] (2:47:25 - 2:47:25)
name.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:25 - 2:47:25)
yourself.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:25 - 2:47:25)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:47:25 - 2:47:26)
You can

[Speaker 6] (2:47:26 - 2:47:31)
The officer will make the notation by hand and be signing the ticket.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:31 - 2:47:31)
So

[Speaker 13] (2:47:31 - 2:47:31)
Fair

[Speaker 6] (2:47:31 - 2:47:32)
that

[Speaker 13] (2:47:32 - 2:47:32)
warning,

[Speaker 6] (2:47:32 - 2:47:32)
won't...

[Speaker 13] (2:47:32 - 2:47:35)
$75 for tickets starting tomorrow.

[Speaker 5] (2:47:36 - 2:47:36)
Nobody's

[Speaker 1] (2:47:36 - 2:47:36)
Are you

[Speaker 5] (2:47:36 - 2:47:37)
listening to us.

[Speaker 13] (2:47:37 - 2:47:42)
Oh, I don't want to hear it. An email, Do you have that? it should have been. That should be your headlines tomorrow.

[Speaker 6] (2:47:42 - 2:47:43)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:43 - 2:47:43)
What?

[Speaker 1] (2:47:48 - 2:47:50)
I made the announcement at

[Speaker 13] (2:47:50 - 2:47:50)
the beginning

[Speaker 1] (2:47:50 - 2:47:50)
the beginning

[Speaker 13] (2:47:50 - 2:47:50)
of the meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:50 - 2:47:51)
of the meeting.

[Speaker 5] (2:47:51 - 2:47:52)
Put your mouth open in here.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:52 - 2:47:53)
No,

[Speaker 13] (2:47:53 - 2:47:53)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:53 - 2:47:55)
I made an announcement at the beginning of the meeting,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:55 - 2:47:57)
a clear announcement at the beginning of

[Speaker 13] (2:47:57 - 2:47:58)
Saying the meeting that it was going to be next

[Speaker 1] (2:47:58 - 2:48:02)
that it was going to be tabled till September so that we could repost it.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:03 - 2:48:04)
Yeah, she did.

[Speaker 13] (2:48:04 - 2:48:05)
She did that.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:06 - 2:48:06)
Sorry, Joe.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:06 - 2:48:07)
Sorry,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:07 - 2:48:07)
Joe.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:10 - 2:48:12)
I just thought he was really interested in Hawthorne.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:13 - 2:48:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:48:14 - 2:48:14)
So yes.

[Speaker 12] (2:48:16 - 2:48:22)
I think most of the signs around town were updated to $75, or at least some of them were.

[Speaker 12] (2:48:23 - 2:48:26)
For example, I believe Fickerman's Beach says $75.

[Speaker 3] (2:48:26 - 2:48:26)
Yeah, I think that was the only

[Speaker 1] (2:48:26 - 2:48:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:48:26 - 2:48:27)
one.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:27 - 2:48:27)
so the beaches,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:27 - 2:48:28)
Ted,

[Speaker 12] (2:48:28 - 2:48:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:28 - 2:48:29)
we voted on in 23,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:29 - 2:48:36)
and that increased them to $75. At the time, the signage by Phillips,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:36 - 2:48:39)
Fisherman's, was updated because it was very...

[Speaker 2] (2:48:47 - 2:48:47)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:47 - 2:48:50)
budget budget and way to increase revenues that's when we

[Speaker 1] (2:48:51 - 2:49:05)
Did the blanket across we should increase it everywhere it should not just be contained to the beach area so I don't we should just be clear with DPW that as we order new signage that it needs to be corrected okay

[Speaker 3] (2:49:05 - 2:49:07)
And that the old signs need to be

[Speaker 4] (2:49:07 - 2:49:11)
honestly if there's any signs that list the fine it should be removed.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:11 - 2:49:11)
great

[Speaker 3] (2:49:11 - 2:49:13)
See that's what it's that's what happened by the beaches that

[Speaker 4] (2:49:13 - 2:49:16)
just a prohibition that should be noted so that whatever the whatever the number is

[Speaker 4] (2:49:16 - 2:49:17)
There is

[Speaker 5] (2:49:17 - 2:49:17)
There we go.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:17 - 2:49:21)
that the enforcement is decided by you all. We don't need to be changing the sign.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:21 - 2:49:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:21 - 2:49:22)
We're changing the book.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:22 - 2:49:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:23 - 2:49:23)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:23 - 2:49:24)
Great. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:24 - 2:49:28)
Okay. So great. Glad that that's a thing and that

[Speaker 4] (2:49:28 - 2:49:28)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:49:28 - 2:49:29)
that started

[Speaker 4] (2:49:29 - 2:49:29)
then more

[Speaker 1] (2:49:29 - 2:49:29)
happening.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:29 - 2:49:30)
broadly on parking,

[Speaker 4] (2:49:31 - 2:49:39)
and I included this in the note to the board, I believe we anticipate being back on the 18th with a plan for how we can look at residential.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:39 - 2:49:40)
Registration and whatever.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:40 - 2:49:41)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:41 - 2:49:46)
How we can look at residential parking for you all to react to and provide feedback and say, you're going in a good direction, you're not,

[Speaker 3] (2:49:46 - 2:49:46)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:46 - 2:49:59)
this is okay, it's not, you know, but we need it would be a significant change if we're talking about like zoned parking as an example and want to bring that before you so you can talk about it and maybe come back to another meeting after it. So the public

[Speaker 1] (2:49:59 - 2:50:00)
Is there not...

[Speaker 4] (2:50:00 - 2:50:04)
would have an opportunity, but the idea is to come to the board on the 18th with that to start the process.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:04 - 2:50:05)
Is there not...

[Speaker 1] (2:50:05 - 2:50:06)
like some state

[Speaker 1] (2:50:08 - 2:50:19)
consultants like through mspca or something like that, that could help with the overall traffic sort of zoning like zones that we were talking about. Is that is that where

[Speaker 3] (2:50:19 - 2:50:20)
Is that animals?

[Speaker 1] (2:50:20 - 2:50:20)
animal anim

[Speaker 4] (2:50:20 - 2:50:21)
You I think you mean M_A_P_C_

[Speaker 1] (2:50:21 - 2:50:22)
m m m

[Speaker 4] (2:50:22 - 2:50:22)
yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:22 - 2:50:22)
m m

[Speaker 4] (2:50:22 - 2:50:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:22 - 2:50:23)
what did I say?

[Speaker 4] (2:50:23 - 2:50:23)
M_S_P_C_A_

[Speaker 3] (2:50:23 - 2:50:23)
M_S_P_C_A_

[Speaker 1] (2:50:23 - 2:50:23)
mspca.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:23 - 2:50:24)
mspca.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:24 - 2:50:29)
Adopting cats and dogs. Um you know who I meant to say. Hopefully

[Speaker 4] (2:50:29 - 2:50:29)
I think did.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:29 - 2:50:29)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:50:29 - 2:50:29)
plan

[Speaker 3] (2:50:29 - 2:50:30)
we don't have any idea.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:30 - 2:50:32)
The mass planning head

[Speaker 3] (2:50:32 - 2:50:32)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:32 - 2:50:32)
That's

[Speaker 1] (2:50:32 - 2:50:32)
and I.T.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:32 - 2:50:34)
called an area planning council.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:34 - 2:50:34)
the A_some

[Speaker 3] (2:50:34 - 2:50:34)
Or

[Speaker 1] (2:50:34 - 2:50:34)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (2:50:34 - 2:50:34)
something.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:34 - 2:50:35)
you.

[Speaker 4] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:50:35 - 2:50:36)
Thank you,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
Area

[Speaker 7] (2:50:36 - 2:50:36)
Nick.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:36 - 2:50:37)
Planning Council.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:37 - 2:50:41)
There must be a way that we can engage them to help us say like

[Speaker 3] (2:50:41 - 2:50:41)
Traffic

[Speaker 1] (2:50:41 - 2:50:42)
we know

[Speaker 3] (2:50:42 - 2:50:42)
studies.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:42 - 2:50:43)
our park,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:43 - 2:50:44)
no, I'm talking about parking in general.

[Speaker 3] (2:50:44 - 2:50:45)
Parking,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
We

[Speaker 3] (2:50:45 - 2:50:45)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:45 - 2:50:46)
know parking is broken.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:46 - 2:50:51)
We need help to figure out what's the best play for us to move forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:51 - 2:50:59)
We don't have a traffic enforcement council or anything like that. Help us figure out, should we do zone parking?

[Speaker 1] (2:50:59 - 2:51:00)
Where should the zones be?

[Speaker 1] (2:51:00 - 2:51:01)
I have to imagine

[Speaker 3] (2:51:01 - 2:51:01)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:51:01 - 2:51:01)
that can't that

[Speaker 3] (2:51:01 - 2:51:02)
imagine

[Speaker 1] (2:51:02 - 2:51:02)
is.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:02 - 2:51:03)
there's anything for free, right?

[Speaker 1] (2:51:03 - 2:51:03)
Well.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:03 - 2:51:03)
I can't

[Speaker 4] (2:51:03 - 2:51:04)
There

[Speaker 3] (2:51:04 - 2:51:04)
imagine.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:04 - 2:51:04)
would not be.

[Speaker 4] (2:51:04 - 2:51:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:51:04 - 2:51:05)
Done since.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:05 - 2:51:11)
This is something that the town had MAPC on retainer to do in 2017 and 18.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:11 - 2:51:14)
We have a study that they provided the town back then.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:14 - 2:51:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:15 - 2:51:16)
It's 10 years old,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:16 - 2:51:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:16 - 2:51:17)
honestly, so it's...

[Speaker 8] (2:51:17 - 2:51:23)
You know, but it gives some general things that the board should look at and Nick,

[Speaker 8] (2:51:23 - 2:51:25)
I think I've sent it to you, it's not circulated to the board.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:25 - 2:51:26)
That would be great,

[Speaker 8] (2:51:26 - 2:51:26)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:51:26 - 2:51:26)
Nick. Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:26 - 2:51:44)
would think we should also think maybe for next year's budget that we should look at applying for an assistance grant for our parking review with them again potentially to have a broader conversation about parking and, you know, better ways that we can address it and manage it from a holistic perspective with real.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:44 - 2:51:45)
metrics behind it so longer

[Speaker 1] (2:51:45 - 2:51:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:45 - 2:51:48)
-term discussion but we should consider that great

[Speaker 1] (2:51:48 - 2:51:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:51:48 - 2:51:48)
Is

[Speaker 1] (2:51:48 - 2:51:49)
I think that,

[Speaker 3] (2:51:49 - 2:51:51)
that something Marcy can start researching or?

[Speaker 4] (2:51:51 - 2:51:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:51 - 2:51:58)
yeah, because I also think we've talked about whether or not, you know, certain areas should have metered parking or how that should work.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:58 - 2:52:03)
And like, I think there needs to be some teeth behind us doing that if we are going to do that.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:03 - 2:52:06)
And I would like to see some real data.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:07 - 2:52:08)
To the right.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:08 - 2:52:09)
Yep, I

[Speaker 1] (2:52:09 - 2:52:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:09 - 2:52:11)
think we need to start looking at metered parking right now.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:11 - 2:52:14)
Well, we, I mean it's already been, we've already discussed

[Speaker 4] (2:52:14 - 2:52:14)
So,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:14 - 2:52:19)
it and there already has been some data procured on it, but I just think we need to

[Speaker 4] (2:52:19 - 2:52:20)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:52:20 - 2:52:20)
get.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:20 - 2:52:26)
I think that two go hand in hand because if we were to have Humphrey metered, then Blaney.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:27 - 2:52:29)
would become a place people want to park or it

[Speaker 3] (2:52:29 - 2:52:29)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:29 - 2:52:29)
just without

[Speaker 1] (2:52:29 - 2:52:30)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:30 - 2:52:33)
having enforcement and an idea of how we want to manage within the neighborhoods

[Speaker 4] (2:52:33 - 2:52:38)
the closer we are to that area I think we're setting ourselves up for a lot

[Speaker 1] (2:52:38 - 2:52:39)
Issues.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:39 - 2:52:39)
of pain

[Speaker 1] (2:52:39 - 2:52:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:41 - 2:52:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:42 - 2:52:42)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:42 - 2:52:43)
I don't

[Speaker 4] (2:52:43 - 2:52:43)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:52:43 - 2:52:43)
disagree.

[Speaker 4] (2:52:43 - 2:52:46)
would just like to have both both answers at the same time ideally

[Speaker 3] (2:52:47 - 2:52:47)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:47 - 2:52:48)
But how to

[Speaker 3] (2:52:48 - 2:52:48)
I

[Speaker 8] (2:52:48 - 2:52:48)
Mary

[Speaker 3] (2:52:48 - 2:52:49)
don't want to, Ellen my

[Speaker 8] (2:52:49 - 2:52:49)
point how

[Speaker 3] (2:52:49 - 2:52:50)
worry is delinquil.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:50 - 2:52:50)
Go

[Speaker 3] (2:52:50 - 2:52:51)
Eddie,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:51 - 2:52:51)
ahead, sorry.

[Speaker 3] (2:52:51 - 2:52:51)
are you there?

[Speaker 8] (2:52:53 - 2:53:03)
Yeah, my point, I just want to emphasize where you're coming from. How can we take what Marianne is suggesting, which I know you have talked about in the past and we've talked about a lot since Wayne and I joined the board,

[Speaker 8] (2:53:03 - 2:53:10)
how can we kind of create this with a comprehensive plan of us addressing this as an issue of parking management,

[Speaker 8] (2:53:10 - 2:53:11)
parking capacity,

[Speaker 8] (2:53:11 - 2:53:16)
and potential parking meters because I feel like we need to have a more comprehensive way to look at this.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:17 - 2:53:20)
Well I think on the eighteenth when they come back, maybe that will help.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:20 - 2:53:23)
That's our ideas working at a staff level. I think

[Speaker 9] (2:53:23 - 2:53:23)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:23 - 2:53:29)
the idea that Ted's suggesting is and we can price it out and see what M_A_P_C_ would would cost to

[Speaker 3] (2:53:29 - 2:53:29)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:53:29 - 2:53:31)
work with us on something again.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:31 - 2:53:32)
Why not?

[Speaker 4] (2:53:32 - 2:53:39)
Knowing that they've got something to work from that they started from. Um and we can figure out if it's something that can be managed within the budget or f if we can't this year.

[Speaker 9] (2:53:39 - 2:53:41)
Or if Marcie has any grant opportunity.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:43 - 2:53:44)
Okay, that's

[Speaker 4] (2:53:44 - 2:53:44)
Good.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:44 - 2:53:46)
Let's explore it. If the answer is no,

[Speaker 1] (2:53:46 - 2:53:47)
nothing,

[Speaker 4] (2:53:47 - 2:53:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:47 - 2:53:47)
I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:53:47 - 2:53:47)
kind

[Speaker 1] (2:53:47 - 2:53:47)
not

[Speaker 3] (2:53:47 - 2:53:47)
of,

[Speaker 1] (2:53:47 - 2:53:48)
saying

[Speaker 3] (2:53:48 - 2:53:48)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:48 - 2:53:49)
we don't take action,

[Speaker 1] (2:53:49 - 2:53:51)
but I think we should just ask that question first.

[Speaker 3] (2:53:52 - 2:53:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:53 - 2:53:56)
Okay. Anything else on that or saving the rest for the 18th?

[Speaker 4] (2:53:56 - 2:53:56)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:57 - 2:53:57)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:57 - 2:53:58)
Moving on to seven.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:58 - 2:54:05)
Discussion and possible vote on the Linway multimodal corridor project.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:06 - 2:54:07)
Is this the bike lane?

[Speaker 9] (2:54:07 - 2:54:07)
You want me to take,

[Speaker 11] (2:54:07 - 2:54:08)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:08 - 2:54:08)
Please.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:08 - 2:54:08)
you want me

[Speaker 11] (2:54:08 - 2:54:08)
this

[Speaker 9] (2:54:08 - 2:54:08)
to just,

[Speaker 11] (2:54:08 - 2:54:09)
is way more.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:09 - 2:54:09)
so.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:09 - 2:54:09)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:54:09 - 2:54:09)
This

[Speaker 9] (2:54:09 - 2:54:09)
what

[Speaker 3] (2:54:09 - 2:54:10)
is, go

[Speaker 9] (2:54:10 - 2:54:11)
is this the traffic on the bus

[Speaker 3] (2:54:11 - 2:54:11)
ahead,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:11 - 2:54:11)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:54:11 - 2:54:11)
so.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:11 - 2:54:13)
the Linway... Wait, wait one second.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:13 - 2:54:14)
Ted, go ahead first.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:14 - 2:54:14)
Sorry, Marilyn.

[Speaker 8] (2:54:15 - 2:54:16)
Thank you. Sorry.

[Speaker 8] (2:54:16 - 2:54:16)
I just wanted,

[Speaker 8] (2:54:17 - 2:54:27)
I have a role with the Department of Conservation and Recreation that was appointed as their student chair council for the Essex County Corps. So since DCR technically owns the property on the Linway,

[Speaker 8] (2:54:27 - 2:54:36)
I am conflicted out of having a conversation about this on any topic that involves DCR ownership of that property. So I am recusing myself from this conversation.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:37 - 2:54:37)
Thank you,

[Speaker 3] (2:54:37 - 2:54:37)
Does

[Speaker 1] (2:54:37 - 2:54:37)
Ted.

[Speaker 3] (2:54:37 - 2:54:39)
that mean you have to leave the room?

[Speaker 9] (2:54:39 - 2:54:40)
Lucky you, Ted.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:41 - 2:54:42)
He's

[Speaker 8] (2:54:42 - 2:54:42)
Ha ha ha.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:42 - 2:54:43)
leaving.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:44 - 2:54:46)
Are you signing off

[Speaker 3] (2:54:46 - 2:54:47)
He has to leave the room.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:47 - 2:54:49)
of the meeting?

[Speaker 8] (2:54:49 - 2:54:49)
You

[Speaker 1] (2:54:49 - 2:54:49)
Ted, just

[Speaker 8] (2:54:49 - 2:54:49)
can't.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:49 - 2:54:50)
sign.

[Speaker 4] (2:54:50 - 2:54:50)
Please.

[Speaker 8] (2:54:50 - 2:54:52)
Can you just make me a non-panelist?

[Speaker 1] (2:54:53 - 2:54:54)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:55 - 2:54:55)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:55 - 2:55:01)
only because I want to know if you're going to come back for consent agenda and all of that.

[Speaker 4] (2:55:01 - 2:55:02)
He's going to film me now, so.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:03 - 2:55:03)
It's

[Speaker 1] (2:55:03 - 2:55:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:03 - 2:55:04)
not much on it though.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:04 - 2:55:06)
There isn't, but I just want to, yeah.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:06 - 2:55:18)
So I'm not going to take up a lot of time on this. So the Linway corridor project has been out there. It's been in the newspapers. They had public meetings. I don't know if you all went to the public meeting.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:19 - 2:55:22)
I went to the public meeting. I felt that it was a gross waste of my time.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:22 - 2:55:25)
I didn't think that they were listening to.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:26 - 2:55:29)
I don't think they had any intent to listen to what our concerns were.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:31 - 2:55:33)
They didn't have a pen or paper, absolutely nothing.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:33 - 2:55:49)
So I received a number of complaints from residents during office hours and during non-office hours about what kind of impact that this is going to have on getting to and from Boston for work. I did speak with Erin Noonan at one point.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:49 - 2:55:50)
We were she she's on the

[Speaker 3] (2:55:50 - 2:55:50)
Marblehead.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:50 - 2:55:55)
Marblehead Select Board and she was also commenting on what the impact was going to be.

[Speaker 9] (2:55:56 - 2:56:13)
for marblehead so marblehead swampscott and nahant i talked to katie about us having a you know a small committee together so we could start discussing what the impact is going to be for all three communities and what we can actually do so we had a meeting

[Speaker 9] (2:56:13 - 2:56:36)
about ten days ago and what we need to do now is to get opinions from all of our select boards on what you feel is important that has to be addressed or changed so if you could just look at the drawings look at the summary sheet and put some thought into it and then get that back to me I can bring that back

[Speaker 12] (2:56:36 - 2:56:36)
Where

[Speaker 9] (2:56:36 - 2:56:36)
to the

[Speaker 12] (2:56:36 - 2:56:37)
the communities are.

[Speaker 9] (2:56:37 - 2:56:38)
nahant so it's nahant

[Speaker 3] (2:56:38 - 2:56:39)
Marblehead.

[Speaker 12] (2:56:39 - 2:56:40)
Marblehead.

[Speaker 13] (2:56:40 - 2:56:40)
But, and

[Speaker 9] (2:56:40 - 2:56:40)
Marblehead.

[Speaker 13] (2:56:40 - 2:56:40)
not Salem.

[Speaker 9] (2:56:41 - 2:56:44)
No, we don't have Salem there.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:44 - 2:56:44)
could reach

[Speaker 3] (2:56:44 - 2:56:44)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:44 - 2:56:45)
out to Salem

[Speaker 3] (2:56:45 - 2:56:45)
they could go the other way.

[Speaker 9] (2:56:45 - 2:56:51)
If you think that we should reach out to Salem, you know, we can do that as well if that's your opinion.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:51 - 2:56:53)
So, two things. One,

[Speaker 1] (2:56:53 - 2:57:03)
there have been business owners of the Linway who've reached out to me as chair just to say, like, this is really going to affect us negatively and we want to make sure, like,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:03 - 2:57:07)
that we are united with other boards and communities.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:07 - 2:57:08)
and committees that also have concern.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:09 - 2:57:21)
I passed some of those on to Mary Ellen to make sure that they're invited to the table to have conversations so that we can be coming forward with a holistic suggestion for how things could be modified.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:21 - 2:57:25)
I don't think that, just speaking candidly,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:25 - 2:57:27)
I don't think we're going to stop it from occurring,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:27 - 2:57:32)
but if there are changes that we can make that significantly impact the

[Speaker 1] (2:57:32 - 2:57:34)
in a beneficial way to our community like

[Speaker 14] (2:57:34 - 2:57:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:35 - 2:57:59)
that is what we're pushing towards so I agree with Mary Ellen that we should just educate ourselves on the project and then come back to the next meeting with some thoughts and ideas and I guess I we Mary Ellen I did briefly discuss like going coming to the table if anybody is against going and having these conversations speak now or else we will consider this the ability to continue on in this fashion

[Speaker 1] (2:57:59 - 2:58:04)
But I just think it's really important if we're going to effectuate any change that we have to unite with other

[Speaker 9] (2:58:04 - 2:58:04)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:04 - 2:58:05)
So the goal

[Speaker 1] (2:58:05 - 2:58:05)
groups.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:05 - 2:58:10)
is to get input from all of our select boards.

[Speaker 9] (2:58:10 - 2:58:21)
And so any information that you have, just send that to Nick, okay, and Nick can put it all together and then that will go to the, you know, this committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:21 - 2:58:22)
What is the timeline?

[Speaker 9] (2:58:23 - 2:58:29)
We don't have an exact timeline. What we're looking for right now is we're looking to, we're looking to not dilly-dally,

[Speaker 9] (2:58:29 - 2:58:34)
but we're looking to give all the select boards enough time to really look.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:37 - 2:58:42)
Because what have our other the can what the elected officials Jenny

[Speaker 3] (2:58:42 - 2:58:42)
Jenny.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:42 - 2:58:45)
Brendan does can anybody help us or are they not

[Speaker 1] (2:58:45 - 2:58:57)
We're gonna we're looking to have a meeting with the lieutenant governor. So we're so here's the goal. The goal is to get input from all the select boards and then once we've identified what we want

[Speaker 1] (2:58:56 - 2:59:00)
We want, and what we feel would be a good opinion,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:00 - 2:59:02)
then we're looking for a meeting with the lieutenant governor.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:02 - 2:59:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:59:03 - 2:59:03)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:59:03 - 2:59:03)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:59:03 - 2:59:08)
would imagine you'd want to get Salem involved if that's the case as well. There might be some influence there.

[Speaker 2] (2:59:09 - 2:59:09)
Well.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:09 - 2:59:10)
We'll call Salem.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:11 - 2:59:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:11 - 2:59:16)
we'll do that um what I would like to do is put it on the next agenda and

[Speaker 1] (2:59:16 - 2:59:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:16 - 2:59:25)
being Yeah. on the 18th because I'd rather have this conversation publicly and transparently so people can come and speak at you know public comment if they have thoughts and feelings that they want us to convey

[Speaker 1] (2:59:25 - 2:59:25)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:25 - 2:59:26)
or ideas I

[Speaker 2] (2:59:26 - 2:59:27)
Well, we

[Speaker 6] (2:59:27 - 2:59:27)
mean

[Speaker 2] (2:59:27 - 2:59:28)
did put it on this agenda.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:28 - 2:59:28)
I think if you could

[Speaker 6] (2:59:28 - 2:59:28)
sure

[Speaker 1] (2:59:28 - 2:59:28)
keep

[Speaker 6] (2:59:28 - 2:59:29)
did it, but

[Speaker 1] (2:59:29 - 2:59:36)
if you could keep it, if you could keep it on the agenda consistently just so that there's an update, any kind of update so there's just room to

[Speaker 2] (2:59:36 - 2:59:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:36 - 2:59:36)
always.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:36 - 2:59:37)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:37 - 2:59:37)
Fill

[Speaker 6] (2:59:37 - 2:59:37)
I mean,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:37 - 2:59:37)
people

[Speaker 6] (2:59:37 - 2:59:47)
we can in. always, you can always update during your select board time, but yes, there is no reason not to put it on the next agenda or in the near future we will continue to do it. But so if we could just educate ourselves,

[Speaker 2] (2:59:47 - 2:59:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:59:47 - 2:59:57)
if there's information people have, get it to Nick, Nick can facilitate it to all of us and then we'll have an open public discussion encouraging the public to also come

[Speaker 1] (2:59:57 - 2:59:57)
Did I

[Speaker 6] (2:59:57 - 2:59:58)
to the select

[Speaker 1] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
send

[Speaker 6] (2:59:58 - 2:59:58)
board.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:58 - 3:00:02)
you the comments from Pat O'Reilly?

[Speaker 5] (3:00:02 - 3:00:03)
I'm not.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:03 - 3:00:03)
not yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:00:03 - 3:00:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:03 - 3:00:04)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:00:04 - 3:00:06)
Yeah, so if you could send those out to the select boards.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:07 - 3:00:08)
I think if you look at Mr.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:08 - 3:00:11)
O'Reilly's comments, that'll also give you another idea of.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:11 - 3:00:12)
He's the engineer.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:13 - 3:00:25)
went to the same event as you did I might take away was very very similar to yours I was very distressed at some of the plans that were being proposed

[Speaker 5] (3:00:26 - 3:00:33)
and feel very strongly that, you know, a strong, strong feedback to to the state needs to be needs to be had.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:34 - 3:00:40)
I think the other issue that that we're going to have there is they're looking at putting in the new the new high school at Revere

[Speaker 6] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:00:41 - 3:00:41)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:41 - 3:00:47)
and there's also construction going on at one of the bridges. So you're going to have all of these different construction

[Speaker 2] (3:00:47 - 3:00:48)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (3:00:48 - 3:00:50)
yeah. sites going at the same time and

[Speaker 2] (3:00:51 - 3:00:51)
A nightmare.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:51 - 3:00:53)
That it will be truly a

[Speaker 5] (3:00:53 - 3:00:54)
days a

[Speaker 1] (3:00:54 - 3:00:55)
A nightmare.

[Speaker 5] (3:00:55 - 3:00:57)
parking lot of traffic yeah

[Speaker 6] (3:00:57 - 3:00:58)
Well, hopefully

[Speaker 1] (3:00:58 - 3:00:59)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (3:00:59 - 3:01:01)
we can still take the ferry.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:01 - 3:01:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:01:02 - 3:01:02)
so my

[Speaker 1] (3:01:02 - 3:01:03)
Not in the winter.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:03 - 3:01:08)
my understanding from being at that seminar is that they don't have an actual timeline yet for this

[Speaker 1] (3:01:08 - 3:01:08)
Oh, really?

[Speaker 5] (3:01:09 - 3:01:12)
yeah in terms of a we're going to do it by because

[Speaker 1] (3:01:12 - 3:01:13)
Huh.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:13 - 3:01:14)
i asked

[Speaker 6] (3:01:14 - 3:01:17)
Well, when timelines get put on state projects, then they often.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:17 - 3:01:18)
This is federally funded.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:19 - 3:01:19)
What

[Speaker 7] (3:01:19 - 3:01:19)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:01:19 - 3:01:20)
There's

[Speaker 7] (3:01:20 - 3:01:20)
boundaries.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:20 - 3:01:20)
also state, but

[Speaker 6] (3:01:20 - 3:01:21)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:01:21 - 3:01:21)
it

[Speaker 5] (3:01:21 - 3:01:21)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:01:21 - 3:01:21)
federally

[Speaker 1] (3:01:21 - 3:01:21)
is scheduled.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:21 - 3:01:23)
funded, but it's state run,

[Speaker 5] (3:01:23 - 3:01:23)
yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:23 - 3:01:23)
no?

[Speaker 6] (3:01:24 - 3:01:25)
Yes, okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:01:25 - 3:01:27)
So it's probably...

[Speaker 8] (3:01:27 - 3:01:31)
Something, and I don't know this for certain, living in like year four and five on the tip and

[Speaker 9] (3:01:31 - 3:01:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:32 - 3:01:35)
just slides repeatedly because this has been discussed since

[Speaker 1] (3:01:35 - 3:01:35)
Many times.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:35 - 3:01:37)
I worked in Boston at D_C_R_

[Speaker 9] (3:01:37 - 3:01:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:38 - 3:01:39)
Right, and the federal

[Speaker 2] (3:01:39 - 3:01:39)
Do you have

[Speaker 1] (3:01:39 - 3:01:39)
government

[Speaker 2] (3:01:39 - 3:01:43)
connections over in D_C_R_ land that can I help

[Speaker 8] (3:01:43 - 3:01:43)
don't

[Speaker 2] (3:01:43 - 3:01:43)
us

[Speaker 8] (3:01:43 - 3:01:43)
know that

[Speaker 2] (3:01:43 - 3:01:43)
get inside

[Speaker 8] (3:01:43 - 3:01:44)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:01:44 - 3:01:44)
info?

[Speaker 8] (3:01:44 - 3:01:46)
don't think that they would necessarily disagree with anything that's been

[Speaker 2] (3:01:47 - 3:01:47)
Uh.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:47 - 3:01:47)
The feedback.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:47 - 3:01:48)
that I don't speak for them.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:48 - 3:01:49)
Of course not.

[Speaker 8] (3:01:49 - 3:01:51)
So I would be happy to reach out.

[Speaker 2] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52)
You

[Speaker 6] (3:01:52 - 3:01:52)
All

[Speaker 2] (3:01:52 - 3:01:53)
check

[Speaker 6] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53)
right, well,

[Speaker 2] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53)
your

[Speaker 6] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53)
let's

[Speaker 2] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53)
parents are

[Speaker 6] (3:01:53 - 3:01:53)
let

[Speaker 2] (3:01:53 - 3:01:54)
gone.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:54 - 3:01:54)
us organize.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:54 - 3:02:01)
So that was just the update. So if if if you can, we're going to meet on Wednesday again,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:01 - 3:02:08)
just to give the update. So my update is just going to be that I've updated the select board and you all have the information in it. But if

[Speaker 6] (3:02:10 - 3:02:10)
If from

[Speaker 1] (3:02:10 - 3:02:10)
If

[Speaker 6] (3:02:10 - 3:02:10)
now

[Speaker 1] (3:02:10 - 3:02:10)
within

[Speaker 6] (3:02:10 - 3:02:11)
to the a next

[Speaker 1] (3:02:11 - 3:02:11)
week,

[Speaker 6] (3:02:11 - 3:02:15)
we don't send any additional information you'll get it to Nick and he'll get it to us and we'll have a conversation on the 18th

[Speaker 1] (3:02:15 - 3:02:20)
but if input can be sent to Nick within the week, that would really be appreciated.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:20 - 3:02:32)
Do you think there might be an opportunity if all three or four communities are involved that we can do one more, maybe do a joint session of some sort, and having MBTA

[Speaker 5] (3:02:33 - 3:02:36)
come in and do a presentation to everyone again,

[Speaker 1] (3:02:36 - 3:02:37)
I think we

[Speaker 5] (3:02:37 - 3:02:37)
and

[Speaker 1] (3:02:37 - 3:02:38)
can shoot for anything.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:38 - 3:02:40)
then we can have some open questions and discussion.

[Speaker 5] (3:02:41 - 3:02:42)
With

[Speaker 6] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
them directly?

[Speaker 6] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
just

[Speaker 2] (3:02:42 - 3:02:42)
I mean if

[Speaker 6] (3:02:42 - 3:02:43)
think we have

[Speaker 2] (3:02:43 - 3:02:43)
they're

[Speaker 6] (3:02:43 - 3:02:43)
to be

[Speaker 2] (3:02:43 - 3:02:43)
willing to do it,

[Speaker 6] (3:02:43 - 3:03:08)
we have to be realistic about okay the first thing is I think we have to be organized and realistic about what the goal is so if the goal is to educate I think they're happy if the goal is that like a month from now we're gonna say like come and educate and then we're gonna make some suggestions we have to be realistic about whether or not they're gonna take those on that that is I think why the thought from the working group is to have conversations at a higher level because it does

[Speaker 6] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
It

[Speaker 8] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
doesn't

[Speaker 8] (3:03:08 - 3:03:08)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:03:08 - 3:03:11)
seem like people are inclined to.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:12 - 3:03:15)
I just want to make sure that we're working with accurate information,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:15 - 3:03:21)
that everyone on the board and the other boards collectively are working with accurate information because one of the things we,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:21 - 3:03:26)
you know, you pick up things in the media or social media and you may not have it exactly right.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:26 - 3:03:27)
So I want to make sure whatever.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:28 - 3:03:35)
Assumptions we may or may not be making is locked into truth with the MBTA's assumptions and plans.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:35 - 3:03:38)
So why don't you put, I think that's a great idea.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:38 - 3:03:42)
I think just put that down and then send that to Nick and then I will deliver that and that'll

[Speaker 6] (3:03:42 - 3:03:42)
The speech

[Speaker 1] (3:03:42 - 3:03:43)
be something we could push for.

[Speaker 6] (3:03:43 - 3:03:43)
we recorded,

[Speaker 8] (3:03:43 - 3:03:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (3:03:43 - 3:03:44)
I just didn't attend

[Speaker 8] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
there's

[Speaker 6] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
this one.

[Speaker 8] (3:03:44 - 3:03:44)
a

[Speaker 5] (3:03:44 - 3:03:45)
They are,

[Speaker 5] (3:03:45 - 3:03:50)
but they do not do it justice compared to actually when you're sitting and looking at the map and getting explanations.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:50 - 3:03:53)
I'll just say that because I've both watched it and was present.

[Speaker 5] (3:03:53 - 3:03:57)
And being present was way more enlightening than it was

[Speaker 1] (3:03:57 - 3:03:57)
uh

[Speaker 5] (3:03:57 - 3:03:57)
just

[Speaker 1] (3:03:57 - 3:03:58)
-huh i

[Speaker 5] (3:03:58 - 3:03:58)
seeing it online.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:00 - 3:04:06)
i think this project this is this is scary now i don't want scary but this is just like yeah

[Speaker 5] (3:04:06 - 3:04:07)
Impactful.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:08 - 3:04:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:09 - 3:04:18)
Okay, we have direction and I'm glad to hear that the region is coming together to help all of its citizens.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:19 - 3:04:22)
Hopefully we can get something off the ground here.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:23 - 3:04:26)
Ted, you can come back. I don't know how you would know that if you're not listening,

[Speaker 6] (3:04:26 - 3:04:28)
so we're going to move on to the consent agenda.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:31 - 3:04:38)
There's three items on the consent agenda. I think we're pulling the um Hocker and peddler application for Mr. Driscoll um

[Speaker 1] (3:04:38 - 3:04:39)
What?

[Speaker 11] (3:04:39 - 3:04:39)
Why?

[Speaker 6] (3:04:39 - 3:04:40)
to

[Speaker 5] (3:04:40 - 3:04:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:40 - 3:04:43)
pull it off the consent agenda because Blaine has some questions.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:43 - 3:04:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:43 - 3:04:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:44 - 3:04:44)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:44 - 3:04:45)
We do that now or do you want

[Speaker 6] (3:04:45 - 3:04:45)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:45 - 3:04:45)
to?

[Speaker 6] (3:04:45 - 3:04:46)
pull it now.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:46 - 3:04:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:46 - 3:04:50)
So the amended consent agenda would be items two and three. So if somebody want

[Speaker 1] (3:04:50 - 3:04:50)
I'll

[Speaker 6] (3:04:50 - 3:04:51)
to make a motion.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:51 - 3:04:53)
to vote for the amended consent agenda.

[Speaker 2] (3:04:53 - 3:04:53)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:53 - 3:04:55)
Uh Mary Ellen made the motion.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:56 - 3:04:56)
Uh,

[Speaker 5] (3:04:56 - 3:04:57)
Sorry.

[Speaker 6] (3:04:57 - 3:04:59)
yes or no, aye.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:59 - 3:04:59)
Yeah. I.

[Speaker 5] (3:04:59 - 3:05:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:00 - 3:05:00)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:00 - 3:05:00)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:01 - 3:05:02)
Marilyn's an aye.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:02 - 3:05:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:02 - 3:05:03)
Ted,

[Speaker 6] (3:05:03 - 3:05:03)
are you on?

[Speaker 12] (3:05:04 - 3:05:05)
We promoted him back.

[Speaker 13] (3:05:05 - 3:05:05)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:05 - 3:05:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 13] (3:05:05 - 3:05:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:06 - 3:05:07)
Um, and I am an aye.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:07 - 3:05:11)
So we will now talk about the approval of the Hawker Pedal application for Mr.

[Speaker 6] (3:05:11 - 3:05:11)
Driscoll.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:12 - 3:05:13)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:05:14 - 3:05:22)
Mr. Driscoll and his son Connor came in two meetings ago or so, I think, asking for permission,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:22 - 3:05:24)
I think it was in public comment,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:24 - 3:05:24)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:24 - 3:05:24)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:05:24 - 3:05:25)
yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:25 - 3:05:30)
And that was to be able to paint numbers on the curbside.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:30 - 3:05:32)
I think that's a great idea,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:32 - 3:05:32)
right?

[Speaker 5] (3:05:34 - 3:05:40)
He had also written to Gino and also copied the select board asking for support.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:41 - 3:05:47)
I had sent an email to Nick and Gino back in June asking some questions.

[Speaker 5] (3:05:48 - 3:05:55)
I just want to bring some awareness to the board for why this is a good idea,

[Speaker 5] (3:05:55 - 3:05:59)
but there's some process that needs to be in place, I think, for this.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:00 - 3:06:00)
So.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:01 - 3:06:05)
There's a couple of things and I'll just kind of go down the list here.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:06 - 3:06:18)
So one, I don't think there are any existing bylaws or DPW rules that would dictate how big, what color, what size, what not.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:19 - 3:06:25)
Just to note that the curb is in fact the property of the town and that asking for a homeowner's permission.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:27 - 3:06:46)
Well, f uh friendly and all right, just not actually it's not legally relevant one way or the other. So we're giving a h a business permit for them to do and transact business by going house to house. Great. The the work that's being performed on public property is what I have

[Speaker 1] (3:06:47 - 3:06:47)
Concerned

[Speaker 2] (3:06:47 - 3:06:47)
Mm.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:47 - 3:06:47)
by.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:47 - 3:06:54)
Not concerns per se of doing it or not, but the consistency of how it's done.

[Speaker 5] (3:06:54 - 3:07:09)
So one thing I would like to ask Gino and Nick as town administrator is to come up with a standardized, some sort of procedure and policy so that we have some level of standardization of size, colour, font,

[Speaker 5] (3:07:10 - 3:07:13)
appropriate paint type quality. One of the difficulties of

[Speaker 5] (3:07:13 - 3:07:25)
of doing this type of work in the northeast is that we scrape the crap out of these things with during snow and once you see 91 at one point may become something completely different

[Speaker 6] (3:07:25 - 3:07:26)
Like nine.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:26 - 3:07:28)
or nine or just one right

[Speaker 6] (3:07:28 - 3:07:28)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:29 - 3:07:36)
Um, th at at what point does that become, if you have a couple hundred of these, and hey, God willing they'll be successful at it, that's great.

[Speaker 5] (3:07:36 - 3:07:41)
At what point does that become an issue for the town to have to...

[Speaker 5] (3:07:42 - 3:08:08)
Fix or an expectation legally knows it are do we have to do is it but is there some town expectation in the year or two from now that hey my my number looks wrong it's off what do I do so what I'd like to do is that be able to put a procedure in place in terms of the minimum qualifications to what has to look like therefore the homeowner can be allowed to do it his or herself or they can choose to pay for it through

[Speaker 5] (3:08:08 - 3:08:29)
You know, the dress codes, which is fine. Um so if we can get a a spec that's good for everyone across the board, I think that would be a solution. And I'd also let you know it's subject to approval of the DBW director and also um subject to approval of uh both chiefs. Because

[Speaker 1] (3:08:41 - 3:08:43)
I'm totally good with it.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:43 - 3:08:44)
So I have questions.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:44 - 3:08:49)
Nick, do other towns do this? Is this something that like other towns have done?

[Speaker 1] (3:08:49 - 3:08:49)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:49 - 3:08:50)
some communities do.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:52 - 3:08:52)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:08:52 - 3:08:52)
Like

[Speaker 3] (3:08:52 - 3:08:52)
mean, I

[Speaker 2] (3:08:52 - 3:08:54)
around us that we know of?

[Speaker 3] (3:08:55 - 3:08:57)
haven't looked into it. I know I've seen it in

[Speaker 2] (3:08:57 - 3:08:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:57 - 3:08:58)
my travels.

[Speaker 3] (3:08:59 - 3:09:01)
I mean, you know, it's something that is done,

[Speaker 3] (3:09:01 - 3:09:02)
but I don't know that it's a...

[Speaker 2] (3:09:02 - 3:09:04)
Do we know how much they're going to charge for this?

[Speaker 3] (3:09:04 - 3:09:05)
No,

[Speaker 3] (3:09:05 - 3:09:08)
that's not something we would ask for someone that's, you know, looking.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:08 - 3:09:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:08 - 3:09:12)
So my only thing is a couple years back.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:13 - 3:09:17)
The football boosters spray-painted big

[Speaker 4] (3:09:17 - 3:09:17)
Big blue fan.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:17 - 3:09:17)
blue

[Speaker 3] (3:09:17 - 3:09:18)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:18 - 3:09:24)
fans on sidewalks. I bought one. It's like still on my sidewalk Which is technically not my property.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:24 - 3:09:29)
I guess it's probably the town's and probably half of this town has it on their sidewalk

[Speaker 2] (3:09:29 - 3:09:31)
Like I don't know why this is different

[Speaker 2] (3:09:32 - 3:09:33)
Do you know what I'm saying?

[Speaker 2] (3:09:33 - 3:09:34)
Like is this

[Speaker 2] (3:09:35 - 3:09:39)
Why we would go through this formal process for this is that standard

[Speaker 3] (3:09:39 - 3:09:44)
I think it's based the question is because of the public safety side but

[Speaker 2] (3:09:44 - 3:09:44)
Is

[Speaker 1] (3:09:44 - 3:09:44)
there's

[Speaker 2] (3:09:44 - 3:09:44)
okay

[Speaker 3] (3:09:44 - 3:09:45)
their foundation

[Speaker 1] (3:09:45 - 3:09:47)
an app, but there's also the,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:47 - 3:09:51)
and I know exactly what you're talking about, those things aren't expected to last.

[Speaker 2] (3:09:51 - 3:09:52)
Oh, it's been there for years

[Speaker 1] (3:09:52 - 3:09:53)
Has it lasted years and years?

[Speaker 1] (3:09:53 - 3:09:56)
I mean, I've seen where it's been done and it's gone within a year or two,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:56 - 3:09:58)
but these.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:58 - 3:10:02)
What we're asking for is something that's going to be done and the

[Speaker 2] (3:10:02 - 3:10:03)
This is permanent,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:03 - 3:10:03)
intent

[Speaker 2] (3:10:03 - 3:10:03)
isn't

[Speaker 1] (3:10:03 - 3:10:06)
is highly be highly visible and have more permanence.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:06 - 3:10:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:07 - 3:10:15)
The other thing I would ask for is whether or not, and this has been done again with what you talked about. Also,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:15 - 3:10:21)
I know, I think the Girl Scouts or the Brownies were doing painting on the sewers.

[Speaker 5] (3:10:21 - 3:10:22)
I see.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:22 - 3:10:23)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:23 - 3:10:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:23 - 3:10:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:23 - 3:10:25)
Discharge to the

[Speaker 1] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25)
ocean or something

[Speaker 1] (3:10:25 - 3:10:25)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (3:10:25 - 3:10:26)
like that.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:26 - 3:10:26)
So,

[Speaker 2] (3:10:26 - 3:10:26)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:26 - 3:10:34)
and I talked about this with Gino today and like, what do we do when you have young miners working in the street?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:34 - 3:10:37)
Do they have, do we require visibility jackets?

[Speaker 2] (3:10:37 - 3:10:38)
I mean,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:38 - 3:10:39)
Some level of,

[Speaker 2] (3:10:39 - 3:10:40)
is that legal?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:40 - 3:10:42)
of, I

[Speaker 2] (3:10:42 - 3:10:43)
Seriously.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:44 - 3:10:47)
just don't, I'm trying to protect us from some level of liability here.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:47 - 3:10:48)
I'm with you. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:48 - 3:10:50)
Do we need safety cones?

[Speaker 1] (3:10:50 - 3:10:52)
I'll leave that up to staff and

[Speaker 2] (3:10:52 - 3:10:54)
Leave that up to you, Nick.

[Speaker 3] (3:10:54 - 3:10:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:54 - 3:10:55)
Do you need

[Speaker 1] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55)
Gino,

[Speaker 7] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55)
your chair higher

[Speaker 1] (3:10:55 - 3:10:55)
right?

[Speaker 7] (3:10:55 - 3:10:57)
up these details if he's in the street?

[Speaker 7] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:10:58 - 3:10:58)
Clearly

[Speaker 7] (3:10:58 - 3:10:59)
don't know.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
not.

[Speaker 2] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
Oh, my

[Speaker 7] (3:10:59 - 3:11:00)
No

[Speaker 2] (3:11:00 - 3:11:00)
God.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:00 - 3:11:00)
one.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:00 - 3:11:00)
I don't

[Speaker 7] (3:11:00 - 3:11:00)
I don't

[Speaker 2] (3:11:00 - 3:11:01)
know. Seriously.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:01 - 3:11:01)
actually,

[Speaker 7] (3:11:01 - 3:11:01)
to

[Speaker 2] (3:11:01 - 3:11:01)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:11:01 - 3:11:02)
be honest,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:02 - 3:11:02)
don't know.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:02 - 3:11:04)
I don't know that clearly not is the answer.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:04 - 3:11:04)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:11:04 - 3:11:05)
Are you

[Speaker 7] (3:11:05 - 3:11:05)
think...

[Speaker 2] (3:11:05 - 3:11:06)
on Humphrey Street or if you're in Paramount?

[Speaker 3] (3:11:06 - 3:11:07)
Dictate colors,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:07 - 3:11:08)
dictate process.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:08 - 3:11:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:08 - 3:11:08)
So,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:08 - 3:11:08)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (3:11:08 - 3:11:08)
you

[Speaker 2] (3:11:08 - 3:11:09)
good.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:09 - 3:11:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:09 - 3:11:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:09 - 3:11:13)
know, this will be a conversation we'll call tomorrow to start.

[Speaker 3] (3:11:14 - 3:11:24)
assuming that it's approved and happy to address each of these individually and if there's a policy in place that makes it prohibitive or cross prohibitive then that'll be a conversation I can have with them

[Speaker 1] (3:11:25 - 3:11:39)
but as long as those criteria are handled where we have some specification of size color what paint we'd prefer them to use whatever is if it's cost prohibitive that just goes into them charging whatever they need to charge which I'm not dictating their private business

[Speaker 2] (3:11:40 - 3:11:40)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:11:40 - 3:11:41)
That

[Speaker 2] (3:11:41 - 3:11:41)
think makes I would

[Speaker 1] (3:11:41 - 3:11:41)
sense.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:41 - 3:11:42)
trust Nick to handle it at

[Speaker 1] (3:11:42 - 3:11:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:11:43 - 3:11:43)
this point,

[Speaker 2] (3:11:43 - 3:11:44)
but it's

[Speaker 8] (3:11:44 - 3:11:44)
Yes, each

[Speaker 2] (3:11:44 - 3:11:45)
up to you guys.

[Speaker 8] (3:11:45 - 3:11:58)
DW traditionally handle house numbers sizing all that sort of stuff we do planning for for example for any subdivision or anything that all gets handled by Mark and Gino at DW in the town engineering department so I have full faith and confidence

[Speaker 2] (3:11:58 - 3:12:01)
Clever in what is happening there with that property,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:01 - 3:12:04)
both with the fundraising effort and

[Speaker 2] (3:12:05 - 3:12:09)
um the potential deal there.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:10 - 3:12:22)
Um I'd also like to know if we're up to date on the rent payments for Hawthorne now with July being passed and if they have a projected opening date Mm that

[Speaker 1] (3:12:22 - 3:12:22)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:22 - 3:12:23)
would be great.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:27 - 3:12:28)
That's all I have.

[Speaker 7] (3:12:30 - 3:12:31)
Lane, you have anything?

[Speaker 9] (3:12:32 - 3:12:33)
Uh no, I'm good.

[Speaker 11] (3:12:33 - 3:12:33)
Okay. Ted?

[Speaker 8] (3:12:36 - 3:12:37)
Nope, nothing for me, thank you.

[Speaker 11] (3:12:38 - 3:12:38)
Very well.

[Speaker 2] (3:12:39 - 3:12:48)
Yep. So I have a couple things. One is, uh at the next meeting can you please uh get us the ARPA money update? Because I think it expires in December,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:48 - 3:12:58)
everything has to be used, and I know that there is an issue with historic, money that was given to historic and not being able to get into the property. So I don't want to lose money,

[Speaker 2] (3:12:58 - 3:12:58)
but

[Speaker 12] (3:12:59 - 3:13:01)
Wanna see what we have to do um

[Speaker 8] (3:13:01 - 3:13:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (3:13:01 - 3:13:01)
uh

[Speaker 7] (3:13:02 - 3:13:08)
Sorry to interrupt, but on that note, if they can't use it how we re I think we could reallocate it for for

[Speaker 3] (3:13:08 - 3:13:08)
Like for

[Speaker 2] (3:13:08 - 3:13:09)
Or something

[Speaker 7] (3:13:09 - 3:13:09)
that

[Speaker 2] (3:13:09 - 3:13:09)
so that

[Speaker 7] (3:13:09 - 3:13:09)
we've already

[Speaker 2] (3:13:09 - 3:13:10)
we haven't done before.

[Speaker 3] (3:13:10 - 3:13:11)
I put it up like in reprogramming.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:11 - 3:13:11)
where?

[Speaker 12] (3:13:11 - 3:13:28)
we it can get three pro so it can get rep put it back into the sewers or whatever we have in there. Um I want to give an update on just a couple things. The retirement board is doing very well on their returns. Um and the only thing that they're dealing with is they are dealing with an

[Speaker 12] (3:13:28 - 3:13:47)
It's an issue as to whether or not a certain job performance by the police department is considered retirement. So I know that there you have they're waiting on an answer back from legal and they're just working that out. It's really not a big deal. I think there's some state I think some uh some things have already gone to court. So there'll be state

[Speaker 12] (3:13:47 - 3:14:12)
precedence on that um and on the i talked to sabrina with the council on aging and uh swamps got for all ages and i just want to pass on a couple highlights in the month of july they had almost a 26 percent increase in ridership with transportation services with july rides going up 248 versus june 197 and the reason for that is they have brought transportation in on fridays

[Speaker 12] (3:14:13 - 3:14:17)
Um so that that makes a pretty big deal for them. Um

[Speaker 7] (3:14:17 - 3:14:20)
Does that do to the um donation by Big Blue Bargains?

[Speaker 12] (3:14:20 - 3:14:30)
They don't they don't state that here. I can't I can't you know elaborate on that, but I'm I'm gonna guess it was they had some extra funding so they were able to do more rides on Fridays.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:30 - 3:14:30)
That's great.

[Speaker 12] (3:14:30 - 3:14:39)
Um they said in July the van was on the road every Friday allowing us to bring members to the movies, to lunch, even a portion of Friday bingo. So

[Speaker 12] (3:14:38 - 3:14:44)
So they're getting more people in during the day. They're just going out and picking them up.

[Speaker 12] (3:14:45 - 3:14:48)
They're going to keep doing that through August.

[Speaker 12] (3:14:48 - 3:15:10)
They're also serv they served 155 meals in July versus the 140 in June and they're hoping they're going to continue that to increase their lunch participation. I know Sabrina's also looking at some new ideas as possibly opening up lunch to people less than senior age. So a couple of couple of you will be able to go whereas the rest of you do qualify.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:10 - 3:15:14)
by the summer integration,

[Speaker 12] (3:15:14 - 3:15:16)
their integration art program.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:16 - 3:15:18)
That's working out really well.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:18 - 3:15:30)
There's going to be an art show on August 13th at 11.30 and they're very grateful for the support of the Swampscott High School students. There are 17 Swampscott High School students volunteered.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:31 - 3:15:31)
I mean,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:31 - 3:15:31)
Mm

[Speaker 12] (3:15:31 - 3:15:31)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:15:31 - 3:15:31)
-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:31 - 3:15:35)
gotta tell you, we have really impressive high school students.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:35 - 3:15:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:35 - 3:15:36)
I just,

[Speaker 12] (3:15:36 - 3:15:37)
they amaze me all the time.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:38 - 3:15:42)
I'm at the farmer's market and we have a crew that comes down there led by

[Speaker 12] (3:15:42 - 3:15:43)
Okay. Anthony,

[Speaker 12] (3:15:43 - 3:15:45)
I forget Anthony's last name,

[Speaker 12] (3:15:45 - 3:15:45)
but

[Speaker 2] (3:15:45 - 3:15:46)
Kalala.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:46 - 3:15:46)
Hello.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:46 - 3:15:48)
Kalala, he is a home run with his group.

[Speaker 2] (3:15:48 - 3:15:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (3:15:51 - 3:15:52)
So they're looking,

[Speaker 12] (3:15:52 - 3:15:56)
they're still looking for their outreach coordinator and

[Speaker 12] (3:15:57 - 3:16:02)
Things are going really well. The one thing that Sabrina is talking about is the possibility of extending,

[Speaker 12] (3:16:03 - 3:16:09)
having a larger outdoor patio facility that we can get a three season,

[Speaker 12] (3:16:09 - 3:16:09)
get

[Speaker 2] (3:16:09 - 3:16:09)
Mm.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:09 - 3:16:11)
some more space over there.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:12 - 3:16:20)
And the other thing that I just want to bring up is we did bring up at the last meeting the issue with parking,

[Speaker 12] (3:16:20 - 3:16:22)
resident parking on Ingalls.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:22 - 3:16:30)
Eagles Terrace that you're working on and the one thing that you brought up was the possibility of of safety, safety vehicles not getting up there.

[Speaker 2] (3:16:30 - 3:16:31)
And Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:31 - 3:16:40)
I would like immediately that both of our chiefs, our fire chief and our police chief give us a report in two weeks or at the la latest four weeks.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:40 - 3:16:52)
The fact for me to sit in here that a fire truck or safety vehicle cannot get up a vehicle and the only reason we're even talking about it is because we're talking about resident parking is unacceptable.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:52 - 3:16:58)
I want to make sure that every single street in this town is accessible to the fire truck.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:58 - 3:17:00)
So I would like the fire department,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:00 - 3:17:01)
the police department,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:01 - 3:17:01)
whoever,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:01 - 3:17:05)
to get us a report notifying us that every single street is acceptable.

[Speaker 12] (3:17:05 - 3:17:29)
Well, and the other thing is the fire hydrants, and it it was really a horrible, horrible loss. So I just wanna make sure that that we are using the labour force to really give us an update. It was a few weeks ago on a Saturday I was driving to work at ten o'clock and there were a couple firefighters sitting outside in Adirondack chairs reading.

[Speaker 12] (3:17:30 - 3:17:31)
And I thought to myself,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:31 - 3:17:31)
wow,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:31 - 3:17:41)
you know, that's strange. And on my way back from work at 3 o'clock, there was a firefighter washing a vehicle,

[Speaker 12] (3:17:41 - 3:17:42)
a private vehicle.

[Speaker 12] (3:17:43 - 3:17:51)
And I have trouble with that because then when I later hear that there's a possibility some of the streets.

[Speaker 12] (3:17:52 - 3:17:58)
Can't take a fire truck and also the street that we were just talking about that's across from Marshall.

[Speaker 12] (3:17:58 - 3:17:59)
What is that cedar?

[Speaker 2] (3:18:00 - 3:18:01)
Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:01 - 3:18:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (3:18:01 - 3:18:02)
Cedar Hill Terrace.

[Speaker 12] (3:18:02 - 3:18:17)
You know, I went down Cedar Hill Terrace about two weeks ago and there's no way a fire truck was getting down there with the amount of cars that were parked on both sides of that street. You know, also Ocean Avenue going down to the beach this year, I don't think we've had any problems,

[Speaker 12] (3:18:18 - 3:18:21)
but in the past on a very, very busy day on Ocean Ave,

[Speaker 12] (3:18:21 - 3:18:24)
you cannot get a fire truck when two cars

[Speaker 10] (3:18:24 - 3:18:25)
are parked.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:25 - 3:18:25)
Are parked.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:25 - 3:18:40)
parked on the side. Now, we had Pete Kane here from the planning board tell us that that that was definitely possible. It is not possible. So I I just wanna make sure that we we tune up our um our safety and that the select board gets a report on it.

[Speaker 2] (3:18:41 - 3:18:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:18:41 - 3:18:42)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:42 - 3:18:45)
I think the hydrants are definitely an issue because I don't think they're all operational.

[Speaker 3] (3:18:45 - 3:18:47)
I've heard that from more than one person.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:48 - 3:18:48)
I have

[Speaker 3] (3:18:48 - 3:18:48)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:18:48 - 3:18:48)
seen

[Speaker 3] (3:18:48 - 3:18:49)
I think that is something we

[Speaker 5] (3:18:49 - 3:18:49)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:18:49 - 3:18:49)
need to

[Speaker 5] (3:18:49 - 3:18:49)
think

[Speaker 3] (3:18:49 - 3:18:50)
really

[Speaker 5] (3:18:50 - 3:18:50)
in

[Speaker 4] (3:18:50 - 3:18:53)
recently I have seen like some of them were bagged for

[Speaker 3] (3:18:53 - 3:18:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:18:53 - 3:18:53)
uh

[Speaker 5] (3:18:53 - 3:18:53)
They

[Speaker 1] (3:18:53 - 3:18:53)
Sorry.

[Speaker 5] (3:18:53 - 3:19:00)
in addition to a plan on expectation of when they would be and what it would take to get them up to working order.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:00 - 3:19:01)
Oh, I ha oh

[Speaker 1] (3:19:01 - 3:19:02)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:02 - 3:19:02)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (3:19:02 - 3:19:02)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:19:02 - 3:19:02)
please

[Speaker 1] (3:19:02 - 3:19:02)
and just

[Speaker 3] (3:19:02 - 3:19:02)
go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:02 - 3:19:05)
before I finish, I also just wanna thank Ethan.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:06 - 3:19:13)
be accomplished and I know they were waiting for some feedback I just want to check in on that see where that's at and then I do want

[Speaker 5] (3:19:13 - 3:19:13)
We just need to

[Speaker 5] (3:19:14 - 3:19:17)
Have a look taken at them was one of the things that we all talked about in May and June.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:18 - 3:19:18)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:19:18 - 3:19:18)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:19:18 - 3:19:26)
we're going to meet on it, discuss some of it, and then I will bring comments back and whether or not that ends up as a larger meeting or not, we will go from there.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:27 - 3:19:31)
So, all right, so I will take a motion if somebody

[Speaker 3] (3:19:31 - 3:19:31)
So moved.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:31 - 3:19:31)
to

[Speaker 3] (3:19:31 - 3:19:32)
Second.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:32 - 3:19:33)
adjourn.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:34 - 3:19:35)
We have to roll call Ted.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:38 - 3:19:38)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:19:38 - 3:19:39)
Are you still here?

[Speaker 3] (3:19:39 - 3:19:39)
sit aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:40 - 3:19:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:40 - 3:19:40)
Ten.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:40 - 3:19:41)
Wayne.

[Speaker 5] (3:19:41 - 3:19:41)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:19:41 - 3:19:41)
I sit aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:42 - 3:19:43)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (3:19:43 - 3:19:43)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
Marilyn.

[Speaker 3] (3:19:44 - 3:19:44)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (3:19:45 - 3:19:46)
And I'm an aye. Thank you everybody.

[Speaker 6] (3:19:47 - 3:19:47)
Thank you.