[Speaker 1] (0:04 - 0:10)
Good evening. We'll call the um Thursday August twenty seventh meeting to order.

[Speaker 2] (0:12 - 0:13)
Be back.

[Speaker 1] (0:13 - 0:14)
Are you on the teams?

[Speaker 2] (0:14 - 0:15)
Circle.

[Speaker 3] (0:15 - 0:16)
Yeah, a little bit.

[Speaker 3] (0:22 - 0:22)
You just turn down the volume.

[Speaker 2] (0:23 - 0:24)
Is it mute?

[Speaker 3] (0:24 - 0:24)
Does it sound better?

[Speaker 1] (0:27 - 0:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (0:27 - 0:28)
There we go.

[Speaker 1] (0:28 - 0:29)
There it is. Okay, sorry, we had some feedback here.

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So we will rise for the pledge. The flag is out there.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation,

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under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We are being recorded.

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Audio and video recording. And we will begin with the T.A. report.

[Speaker 3] (0:56 - 0:59)
Okay, good evening. Can you hear me okay, Ethan? We're good?

[Speaker 1] (1:01 - 1:03)
Good. For sound?

[Speaker 3] (1:03 - 1:05)
Are we good? Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (1:05 - 1:05)
Excellent.

[Speaker 3] (1:05 - 1:09)
So, um I have a number of items to run through. I'm happy to answer questions after that at

[Speaker 1] (1:09 - 1:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:09 - 1:22)
the first I want to speak to the network disruption. We recently experienced a network disruption that has impacted some aspects of our operations. As a result, some of the functions uh of town hall have been delayed but we're, you know, very close to full restoration.

[Speaker 3] (1:23 - 1:30)
Upon learning of the issue, we immediately commenced an invents an investigation with the assistance of specialists to determine the nature and extent of the issues.

[Speaker 3] (1:30 - 1:56)
And as I said, we're working to restore everything uh fully as quickly as possible. We're currently investigating to determine the nature and extent of the issue and working to restore all systems uh that were impacted. As the investigation into this matter is ongoing, we can't provide too many further details at this time, but we thank community members, staff and others for their patience as we work through to resolve all these issues and we'll continue to monitor our systems uh going forward.

[Speaker 3] (1:57 - 2:21)
Um now to more of the report, uh I want to start by congratulating the Swanscott public schools on the ranking uh that came out I think it was two weeks ago at this point uh for the high school. It showed tremendous growth and improvement and although it's just one data point, it's really great to see that the hard work is being recognised um by folks outside of the community uh and to be in the top fifteen percent of the commonwealth is a really great um

[Speaker 3] (2:21 - 2:32)
Got a r a really g great result and it's something that I know we will continue to build on and we're really happy uh working closely with the schools to make sure uh we do everything we can to support their efforts.

[Speaker 3] (2:34 - 2:40)
Getting forward thinking about some of the things that are coming up. Swampscott Porchfest is this weekend. Wanted to highlight that.

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It's returning with performers,

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you know, on porches and lawns throughout the area and in the neighbourhoods. It is noon to six on Saturday.

[Speaker 3] (2:50 - 2:54)
The website for more details is swampscottporchfest.org.

[Speaker 3] (2:54 - 2:57)
And so please check that out and we look forward to seeing folks there.

[Speaker 3] (2:58 - 3:09)
Talking a little bit about solid waste and recycling which continues to be you know a priority for our for us and I know the community it's being impacted as we've worked through the transition over the last few weeks.

[Speaker 3] (3:09 - 3:13)
Service is a top priority in our office and also with DPW.

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We continue to be trying to identify specific areas where service has fallen short and that has been both hearing from Republic but we really want to make sure we continue to invite residents.

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to identify delays and times that they've been missed so that we can get to the root cause of those issues as opposed to just making sure we do those recovery runs.

[Speaker 3] (3:31 - 3:38)
So that communication is vitally important to us, making sure that we can get the service to the level that we really want and expect.

[Speaker 3] (3:38 - 3:47)
We're in close and regular contact with Republic. We are still doing the weekly calls to make sure that we are able to identify priorities for us and hear from them.

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And in addition to that,

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they have been over the last week.

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week, improving their internal processes so that we have more of a view into where they are on recovery runs and also which is when we identify an issue and they get out to fix it.

[Speaker 3] (3:59 - 4:16)
And they've also realigned their resources internally, they've put more in different staff at their sort of headquarters office that manage the routes to make sure that we are getting the service we need after we identified a few issues that we felt needed to be addressed. So it continues to be something that we will work on. We welcome feedback.

[Speaker 3] (4:16 - 4:18)
feedback, it is how we will improve,

[Speaker 3] (4:18 - 4:32)
so please don't be shy about sharing it. Uh in addition this Saturday the DPW during the um normal metal uh recycling will be accepting uh your old recycling bins.

[Speaker 3] (4:32 - 4:36)
Again those bins are the blue bins, it's the barrels that have recycling stickers on them, that type of thing.

[Speaker 3] (4:37 - 4:41)
Uh this will be sort of our last chance in the near term for us to help dispose of them.

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of them as easily as possible.

[Speaker 3] (4:43 - 4:53)
So please come out, drop it off, bring it with your other recycling and we look forward to seeing you there. I believe we may have at least one select board member who's volunteered to help out.

[Speaker 3] (4:53 - 4:57)
So you may see a member of your board there if you're if you're dropping it off.

[Speaker 3] (4:59 - 5:00)
What'd you say?

[Speaker 1] (5:00 - 5:01)
I said it's not me.

[Speaker 3] (5:01 - 5:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (5:01 - 5:02)
Kate, you just made eye contact.

[Speaker 1] (5:02 - 5:03)
I won't be there.

[Speaker 3] (5:06 - 5:08)
Did you say it was unintentional?

[Speaker 3] (5:08 - 5:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (5:11 - 5:14)
I wanted to highlight as well at Little's Point,

[Speaker 3] (5:14 - 5:17)
29 Little's Point this weekend as part of our conservation restriction,

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we do allow the property owner to restrict access a couple of times a year. They've worked with

[Speaker 3] (5:23 - 5:28)
Both Marcy and Tony in the Conservation Commission for this one weekend.

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There'll be plenty of signage posted.

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It is a temporary closure and it's part of the agreement that we have,

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but I wanted to highlight it in case anyone's out there sees it on the pathway out to the overlook at the water and wants to understand why.

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So I wanted to highlight that.

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Two items related to work being done.

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First,

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looking forward Pine Street.

[Speaker 3] (5:48 - 6:11)
Um the the project of 12 to 24 Pine Street. Beginning on Monday there will be heavily heavy equipment doing some testing for sort of environmental testing where there'll be some digging so that we understand what's going on there. Um where we fired the neighbourhood but I also wanted to mention it here in case folks see that equipment there, it's not the beginning of construction, it's us continuing to move through the process and make sure that we have all the information that we need.

[Speaker 3] (6:11 - 6:15)
Second is uh you know sort of request for forgiveness on our

[Speaker 3] (6:15 - 6:24)
In our part, the Rail Trail had survey work done this week, both the surveyors and us did not, we did not notify the abutters that we're going to be contacted.

[Speaker 3] (6:24 - 6:30)
It is a bare minimum of contractors working on our behalf that they do that notification as they are required for survey work.

[Speaker 3] (6:30 - 6:32)
We will work with them to make sure that's improved.

[Speaker 3] (6:32 - 6:36)
But we are also going to make sure that we are doing a better job of communicating it out,

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reminding STB and our other vendors that they need to alert us in advance so that we have time.

[Speaker 3] (6:40 - 6:53)
And the the greater idea and the greater goal with uh transparency or communication on that is that Marcy and I are going to plan with STB to do a presentation of the twenty five percent design which will be coming this fall.

[Speaker 3] (6:54 - 7:07)
The idea there would be that the it would be the contractor, myself, Marcy in B_ one twenty nine similar to when we did the trash uh meeting to answer questions where we will provide a presentation but be there for, you know, an extended period to ask questions that may come up.

[Speaker 3] (7:07 - 7:34)
come up as well. Um and from as a part of that twenty five percent design we will at some point obviously present that to you all, but we really think that community one will be one that would be better to do first, so that we can gather feedback, see where it can influence our uh impact potential designs and then come to you all with something that is the final twenty five that will go before MassDOT for approvals. So that's just the thinking right now, happy to take feedback as with everything else. Um I did wanna highlight, and this is something that's been poking

[Speaker 3] (7:33 - 7:35)
It's been posted, covered by the tides in the item.

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Tonight is a temporary outage that National Grid had mailed about,

[Speaker 3] (7:39 - 7:40)
posted about.

[Speaker 3] (7:41 - 7:43)
They are doing some work on the service into the community.

[Speaker 3] (7:44 - 7:53)
They had a very large area that is outlined in the map. It's been posted again both in the newspapers and online and on our socials if you want to see if you're particularly impacted.

[Speaker 3] (7:53 - 7:55)
I just wanted to highlight it one more time.

[Speaker 3] (7:56 - 8:15)
To make sure folks are thinking about it, uh and take a look if they're happening to be at home watching us tonight and are curious if they're gonna be impacted by that. But that is tomorrow morning between one and four a.m. are the anticipated impact times that they uh mailed us about and I believe also mailed um ratepayers throughout the community. So with that, I'm happy to answer any To questions

[Speaker 4] (8:15 - 8:15)
be clear,

[Speaker 3] (8:15 - 8:15)
folks may

[Speaker 4] (8:15 - 8:15)
it's

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have.

[Speaker 4] (8:15 - 8:15)
tonight.

[Speaker 5] (8:16 - 8:17)
Overnight.

[Speaker 6] (8:17 - 8:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (8:18 - 8:18)
That's what I said.

[Speaker 6] (8:18 - 8:18)
One.

[Speaker 3] (8:18 - 8:19)
One a one a.m.

[Speaker 5] (8:19 - 8:22)
Did you get tomorrow night at the very end? I believe so or is it tomorrow

[Speaker 1] (8:22 - 8:22)
Our

[Speaker 5] (8:22 - 8:22)
morning?

[Speaker 1] (8:22 - 8:22)
morning.

[Speaker 6] (8:22 - 8:22)
Tomorrow

[Speaker 1] (8:22 - 8:22)
It's

[Speaker 6] (8:22 - 8:22)
morning.

[Speaker 1] (8:22 - 8:24)
our morning. It's 1 a.m. before a.m.

[Speaker 3] (8:24 - 8:27)
One a.m. to four a.m. Friday morning.

[Speaker 3] (8:28 - 8:29)
Sorry for any confusion.

[Speaker 6] (8:29 - 8:31)
Can you just call them when you just remind them?

[Speaker 3] (8:32 - 8:33)
Twelve forty five.

[Speaker 5] (8:33 - 8:34)
Oh

[Speaker 6] (8:34 - 8:34)
Five minutes.

[Speaker 5] (8:34 - 8:34)
yeah, it's okay.

[Speaker 3] (8:36 - 8:40)
With that I'm happy to take any questions before we move into presentations later on.

[Speaker 5] (8:41 - 8:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (8:42 - 8:42)
Board please

[Speaker 5] (8:42 - 8:46)
Yeah, I just wanted to say one thing about the recycling bin collection,

[Speaker 5] (8:46 - 8:52)
just for awareness. I know the press is here. You know, one of the goals is to collect good

[Speaker 5] (8:53 - 9:10)
um recycling bins and the the effort will be made to try to rehome them if possible um for those who want it need it um for whether or not you're a contractor or whether or not you're just a person who wants to use it for um uh yard waste. So

[Speaker 5] (9:12 - 9:14)
we please know if you bring a good one we're going to try to rehome it.

[Speaker 1] (9:16 - 9:17)
Can we do a robo call for that?

[Speaker 3] (9:19 - 9:20)
For the recycling

[Speaker 1] (9:20 - 9:20)
For

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effort

[Speaker 1] (9:20 - 9:20)
the recycling.

[Speaker 3] (9:20 - 9:20)
we can yeah.

[Speaker 1] (9:20 - 9:25)
Just because I feel like if people aren't watching this or checking social media,

[Speaker 1] (9:25 - 9:30)
they might not necessarily know to bring it down. And that way we won't.

[Speaker 3] (9:31 - 9:37)
We'll see if we can get our celebrity voice to record that one as well, as we have for the other solid waste yeah.

[Speaker 1] (9:37 - 9:37)
Oh wait.

[Speaker 5] (9:38 - 9:39)
Did you do another one?

[Speaker 1] (9:39 - 9:42)
Re no, I they go to voicemail for me because I know what they're saying

[Speaker 6] (9:43 - 9:48)
So what is it people just bring it down to DPW and then they're just going to stay at the DPW until you can try to rehome them or?

[Speaker 5] (9:49 - 9:50)
For for a short period of time.

[Speaker 3] (9:50 - 9:59)
We we have a we have a multi-yard container that will be putting them in we'll be holding out the ones that are conceivably most likely

[Speaker 2] (10:01 - 10:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (10:02 - 10:06)
Uh but the idea will be that they'll all go to dynamics which does recycling of um

[Speaker 2] (10:06 - 10:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (10:06 - 10:09)
the rigid plastics at the end of that process.

[Speaker 2] (10:09 - 10:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (10:09 - 10:14)
We'll keep them there for a bit, but it's not gonna be for, you know, a month. It'll be for a couple weeks.

[Speaker 3] (10:15 - 10:21)
So, I volunteered to call the long, I I we can get other people on SWAC to call um

[Speaker 3] (10:22 - 10:34)
Contractors refers landscapers and general public to come out. Uh Marblehead was able to get rid of twenty two hundred barrels. Not twenty I say get rid of like re-home twenty two hundred barrels. So we know it's it's doable.

[Speaker 4] (10:35 - 10:36)
Well

[Speaker 1] (10:36 - 10:36)
We're good then.

[Speaker 4] (10:37 - 10:40)
If anybody locally is looking for a barrel, shouldn't they do show up at the same time?

[Speaker 3] (10:42 - 10:43)
I mean it's conceivably

[Speaker 4] (10:43 - 10:43)
Is it

[Speaker 3] (10:43 - 10:46)
it's conceivably possible. Uh I I'd leave that up to Gino to kind of

[Speaker 1] (10:46 - 10:50)
That the the easiest would be when it's already staffed, which would be the Saturday, yes.

[Speaker 4] (10:50 - 10:54)
Yeah, this Saturday. So if you're if you don't have a barrel and you want one, come by.

[Speaker 3] (10:54 - 10:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (10:55 - 10:55)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (10:55 - 10:56)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (10:57 - 11:01)
So I have a question. Um you mentioned Rail Trail.

[Speaker 5] (11:02 - 11:11)
C can you reach out to National Grid to see 'cause I believe they're the ones that have to maintain that stretch between Salem Street and Humphrey Street, there's that path.

[Speaker 5] (11:12 - 11:14)
That goes, that's part of the rail trail.

[Speaker 4] (11:14 - 11:17)
That has the National Grid sign up there? Yep.

[Speaker 5] (11:17 - 11:30)
Um our cross country team uses it and it's you know a lot of our kids bike ride to school through it and it's absolutely a mess. It's overgrown, it's yeah, it's it it's unsafe.

[Speaker 5] (11:31 - 11:37)
So if we could reach out to them and see how they maintain it or if they can get someone down there to maintain it

[Speaker 1] (11:37 - 11:45)
I'm happy to ask that and if and when we get an answer, I will probably be back here to remind the voters why it is in doubt, because that will be the

[Speaker 1] (11:45 - 11:47)
The knock-on effect of getting that work done

[Speaker 5] (11:47 - 11:47)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (11:47 - 11:50)
is that suddenly it's thinner than they're used to.

[Speaker 5] (11:50 - 11:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (11:50 - 11:57)
Um but yeah, absolutely we'll ask and then we'll be back here to let let you know what their answer is and if it's happening when we anticipate it happening.

[Speaker 5] (11:57 - 11:57)
Very good.

[Speaker 6] (11:57 - 11:58)
Can we help her?

[Speaker 5] (11:58 - 12:06)
I can tell you several times in the past what they've done is they've hired a private contractor come in and they put a lot of um poison out there.

[Speaker 5] (12:07 - 12:08)
And so

[Speaker 4] (12:08 - 12:09)
That would kill the two

[Speaker 7] (12:09 - 12:09)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (12:09 - 12:10)
complaints.

[Speaker 7] (12:10 - 12:10)
hmm, mm hmm.

[Speaker 5] (12:11 - 12:28)
So I think uh I know I had talked to uh Tony Bandwood about this and she had looked into it and I don't know how it was left because it w I mean it was bad. It just clears everything out right away and it's um you know I worry about people that are

[Speaker 5] (12:29 - 12:38)
How you know they go for a walk back there with their animals, the kids are out there running around and riding their bikes. So that's that's a concern that I have is the amount of

[Speaker 5] (12:38 - 12:40)
pesticides that are used.

[Speaker 4] (12:40 - 12:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (12:40 - 12:40)
We

[Speaker 4] (12:40 - 12:40)
I

[Speaker 1] (12:40 - 12:41)
can just ask

[Speaker 4] (12:41 - 12:41)
want them to get

[Speaker 1] (12:41 - 12:41)
if it's mechanical

[Speaker 4] (12:41 - 12:42)
a sickle

[Speaker 1] (12:42 - 12:42)
Mechanical

[Speaker 4] (12:42 - 12:43)
and whack

[Speaker 1] (12:43 - 12:43)
versus

[Speaker 4] (12:43 - 12:44)
it out, personally.

[Speaker 8] (12:44 - 12:44)
Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (12:44 - 12:45)
Mechanical versus chemical

[Speaker 5] (12:45 - 12:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (12:45 - 12:46)
control

[Speaker 5] (12:46 - 12:47)
Yeah, we would prefer

[Speaker 1] (12:47 - 12:48)
is the request, the question. Yep.

[Speaker 5] (12:48 - 12:51)
sure. And I just want to point out, are you finished Daniel?

[Speaker 4] (12:51 - 12:51)
Yeah, go ahead.

[Speaker 5] (12:51 - 13:04)
Um on the rail trail, I just want to make sure that we have a serious conversation about financially how we're going to be dealing with the rail trail, because there's a limited amount of funds that were

[Speaker 5] (13:04 - 13:25)
appropriated for this, and out of those funds we were supposed to be um using money to uh take the land or borrow the land or whatever term you want to use for the land, and the question is, is there enough money in there? And if there's not, what w what are we going to do? How are we going to really come to fruition

[Speaker 1] (13:25 - 13:25)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (13:26 - 13:27)
on this rail trail because

[Speaker 4] (13:27 - 13:27)
Are you

[Speaker 5] (13:28 - 13:34)
There are there there are other alternatives. Um I think there are other alternatives to make it happen without

[Speaker 5] (13:35 - 13:37)
causing a lot of issues.

[Speaker 1] (13:37 - 13:38)
Do

[Speaker 4] (13:38 - 13:45)
Are we clear what the what the asks are at this time or not yet? Like uh so obviously there are portions of land that we need to figure out how we

[Speaker 4] (13:46 - 13:47)
obtain them.

[Speaker 1] (13:47 - 13:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (13:48 - 13:52)
Ag are we sure how big, how far apart it has to be, h what the like

[Speaker 5] (13:52 - 14:01)
We voted uh I'm ninety percent sure in the article we actually voted for a a maximum space, the maximum amount that we would take.

[Speaker 4] (14:01 - 14:02)
Right, so it would be the most expensive version

[Speaker 5] (14:02 - 14:03)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (14:03 - 14:06)
of this. But I'm saying like what's the middle ground? How do we like

[Speaker 4] (14:06 - 14:08)
Should be on some sort of scale, right?

[Speaker 3] (14:08 - 14:08)
Ee

[Speaker 4] (14:08 - 14:08)
Like

[Speaker 3] (14:08 - 14:09)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (14:09 - 14:13)
if we had unlimited funds, we might ask for this, but since we don't, we're asking for this or looking towards that.

[Speaker 1] (14:13 - 14:16)
So I think we would look to the design

[Speaker 4] (14:16 - 14:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:18)
to understand what the alignment is.

[Speaker 4] (14:18 - 14:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (14:18 - 14:32)
And so is it that we want ten feet plus four on the shoulders each? Ten feet ten feet plus three on the you know, it the alignment will be important because it it determines the impact on what people have been use is their own property or things that they've been using.

[Speaker 1] (14:33 - 14:33)
Um

[Speaker 1] (14:34 - 14:35)
the funding

[Speaker 1] (14:35 - 14:45)
But prior to my coming here, and since, we've done everything we can to use private donations or things like the mass trails grants to limit the spend down of the appropriated funds.

[Speaker 5] (14:45 - 14:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (14:46 - 14:50)
Uh so they've been, you know, very specific and good stewards of that.

[Speaker 1] (14:50 - 14:55)
I think it's great for us to come back and run through how we've done that over time and what the plans are.

[Speaker 5] (14:55 - 14:55)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (14:55 - 15:01)
And then as we get to that twenty five percent design, I think we would have a slightly better idea of the alignment and what the

[Speaker 1] (15:00 - 15:15)
and what the final cross-section would be in that do we want it to be ten feet at all places with the shoulder of a certain distance? Are there areas where we ha it necessarily has to be eight feet with the shoul you know. Those are things that we will come back to you as part of that twenty five percent design with the cross-section to be able to tell you.

[Speaker 1] (15:16 - 15:18)
And the community, not just not just

[Speaker 5] (15:18 - 15:18)
No, no,

[Speaker 1] (15:18 - 15:18)
in response

[Speaker 5] (15:18 - 15:18)
no.

[Speaker 1] (15:18 - 15:19)
to this question.

[Speaker 5] (15:19 - 15:38)
No, I just think it's very important that we, we're mindful of the fact that it was sold to town meeting that, you know, people didn't own the land and then later you had people uh do their research, go to court and find out that they do own the land and as a result uh that bill could be significant.

[Speaker 5] (15:39 - 15:42)
So I just want to get it all up front before we

[Speaker 5] (15:42 - 15:43)
Do all this research.

[Speaker 1] (15:44 - 15:52)
And just by way of further explanation, the appraisal process starts uh cl a a timing issue on any agreement or taking.

[Speaker 5] (15:53 - 15:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (15:53 - 16:00)
So the design is it's a chicken and egg thing, but really the design needs to be driving what we're looking to gain access to.

[Speaker 5] (16:01 - 16:01)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (16:02 - 16:07)
Uh so it is it it's coming, but we need to we need to highlight that, I think, for everyone to your point

[Speaker 5] (16:07 - 16:08)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (16:08 - 16:19)
at the twenty five percent design phrase, and then everyone would have a greater idea of what the specific impacts individually. The example in in landfill, the individual cross-sections showed like you could find

[Speaker 1] (16:18 - 16:22)
and address on the street and look behind that house and understand what it would look like.

[Speaker 1] (16:23 - 16:28)
Uh in that case it was a right of way, it wasn't a t uh taken, but you could understand what the impacts were behind individual homes.

[Speaker 4] (16:28 - 16:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (16:29 - 16:44)
And this would be similar where we could say the impacts on the property as we talk about whether or not we have the ability to to gain access and to be be able to build this. This is what the impact looks like. It's a a portion of the ten foot trail, it's a portion of a ten foot plus another eight feet of shoulder between the two sides.

[Speaker 1] (16:45 - 16:49)
We wanna bring all that to the community when we get to this point with the twenty five per cent.

[Speaker 5] (16:49 - 17:00)
Right. And then I just want to make sure that so this is the second time now, you know, I don't know about the rest of you, but I received a number of phone calls with people upset that there were uh people in their yards.

[Speaker 1] (17:00 - 17:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (17:00 - 17:01)
And

[Speaker 5] (17:01 - 17:05)
you know I'm sure you got some calls after

[Speaker 1] (17:05 - 17:05)
I had told Stokoe.

[Speaker 5] (17:05 - 17:06)
I thought people just Yeah. call,

[Speaker 1] (17:06 - 17:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (17:06 - 17:16)
just call Nick and you know this has happened on Pine Street and now this has happened over here and I just think, you know, we have to do a much better job of notifying people of what's what's going on.

[Speaker 1] (17:16 - 17:21)
I think on Pine Street we d there was not a trespass in terms of

[Speaker 5] (17:21 - 17:22)
No.

[Speaker 1] (17:22 - 17:28)
survey or trespassing, it was that there was work being done, the one abutting property that we were on we had had discussions with the property owner.

[Speaker 1] (17:28 - 17:37)
And, you know, the fire that you all have in that the community and the Pine Street area got today, as well as my mentioning it, that's us trying to do better,

[Speaker 5] (17:37 - 17:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (17:37 - 17:42)
and certainly acknowledging that we we could have done better on the rail trail, which is why I wanted to raise that tonight as well.

[Speaker 5] (17:42 - 17:42)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (17:42 - 17:43)
Totally agree.

[Speaker 3] (17:43 - 17:53)
So just a c the comment the piggyback the comment specifically about the neighbourhood where the surveyor was, I believe it's on it's the responsibility of the surveyor to give legal notice

[Speaker 3] (17:54 - 17:55)
if they're going to be on the property.

[Speaker 3] (17:56 - 18:05)
I mean, us as the town, obviously we either the contractor, the contractor may hire the surveyor, but I would be asking why did the surveyor not complete his or her duty to notify an

[Speaker 1] (18:05 - 18:08)
I believe the MGL is reasonable notice.

[Speaker 1] (18:08 - 18:11)
And it's intentionally vague in how it's written.

[Speaker 1] (18:12 - 18:15)
It doesn't say what re what is reasonable in the same way other parts of the MGL do.

[Speaker 3] (18:16 - 18:16)
They

[Speaker 1] (18:16 - 18:16)
I

[Speaker 3] (18:16 - 18:16)
have still

[Speaker 1] (18:16 - 18:16)
completely

[Speaker 3] (18:16 - 18:16)
have but they

[Speaker 1] (18:16 - 18:18)
agree that they need to contact them.

[Speaker 3] (18:18 - 18:22)
Okay, I was gonna say they have need some sort of notification and I don't believe that was given based upon

[Speaker 1] (18:22 - 18:22)
the A

[Speaker 3] (18:22 - 18:22)
conversation.

[Speaker 1] (18:22 - 18:24)
door kno I I honestly a door knock.

[Speaker 1] (18:25 - 18:33)
is considered reasonable so they if we were to rely on them telling us that I think what I'm ultimately saying is we are going to hold them more accountable

[Speaker 3] (18:33 - 18:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (18:33 - 18:51)
and I'm saying that I am going to be more accountable for the town to be able to do it and also out of one of the discussions of someone you sent to me is where we said like the idea of a public meeting that is well publicized so proponents opponents abutters people live on the other side of town everyone can see where we are at the same time

[Speaker 1] (18:52 - 19:16)
And also have an opportunity to ask questions of the contractor that's working with us on the development and Marcy and myself. And similar to what we did, my hope is that we'll be able to sit there and take all or significantly all, depending on how many questions there are, over a period of time where it's a brief description of the project with things to look at, but we're really there to have the conversation with people that are looking for more information with specific, like specific questions, not so much

[Speaker 5] (19:16 - 19:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (19:16 - 19:18)
what happens behind my house but what is the way you're doing this.

[Speaker 1] (19:18 - 19:33)
Yes. What happens behind my house is where we would have the twenty five percent design to look at with multiple cross-sections to be able to say let's pull up your your section of the roadway then look behind and see what it looks like. So absolutely agree with everything that we need to do better.

[Speaker 3] (19:34 - 19:36)
When do you think that will happen

[Speaker 1] (19:36 - 19:36)
It'll

[Speaker 3] (19:36 - 19:36)
that?

[Speaker 1] (19:36 - 19:37)
be in the fall.

[Speaker 3] (19:37 - 19:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (19:37 - 19:40)
I would guess October, but I don't

[Speaker 3] (19:40 - 19:40)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (19:40 - 19:45)
it's it's something that is right now with STV. They're moving towards their twenty five percent design.

[Speaker 1] (19:46 - 19:54)
But, you know, I see notes being taken, don't hold me to October, it will happen in the fall as soon as we can make it happen. And I in talking to Marcy today, the idea was

[Speaker 1] (20:11 - 20:25)
makes make sense and that we can do but certainly before we submit it because once we submit it sort of locked in for their feedback at the mass dot level and that's part of staying in that tip process and making sure that going forward it's included in future tips

[Speaker 2] (20:25 - 20:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (20:26 - 20:27)
Thank you for the clarification.

[Speaker 2] (20:27 - 20:28)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (20:29 - 20:30)
Good.

[Speaker 2] (20:30 - 20:30)
Good.

[Speaker 3] (20:31 - 20:34)
Alright, move on to public comment.

[Speaker 2] (20:34 - 20:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (20:34 - 20:48)
Actually, uh yeah, yes, we'll take public comment. But I just want clarification, Nick, are there any parts of the new and old business that are not going to be dealt with tonight because we could not re um we could not get organised the focus to show up tonight?

[Speaker 1] (20:48 - 20:50)
So Kleinfeldr is not here tonight,

[Speaker 3] (20:50 - 20:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (20:50 - 20:52)
we will schedule to get them.

[Speaker 1] (20:52 - 20:55)
And that's because we pulled this together this

[Speaker 3] (20:55 - 20:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (20:55 - 20:58)
week to make sure that we could get everything in front of folks.

[Speaker 1] (20:58 - 21:00)
And then on the transitional ladder,

[Speaker 1] (21:00 - 21:03)
we have Patrick here to speak to it and to speak to the findings.

[Speaker 1] (21:03 - 21:04)
CLA is not available tonight,

[Speaker 1] (21:04 - 21:07)
so we can push that or Patrick can speak to what we have.

[Speaker 3] (21:07 - 21:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (21:07 - 21:10)
The idea with that is that once we speak to you all about it,

[Speaker 1] (21:10 - 21:10)
we will share.

[Speaker 1] (21:11 - 21:16)
But the memo from sort of Patrick and I in in response to it and the CLA audit itself

[Speaker 3] (21:16 - 21:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (21:17 - 21:24)
by posting online and asking the moderator to distribute the link to all of the uh town meeting members via email so that anyone could take a look at it.

[Speaker 3] (21:24 - 21:30)
Okay, so then I just want s before public comment starts, I want people to know what's on the agenda. So if they came to uh

[Speaker 3] (21:31 - 21:45)
And obviously still think about it, but um so we're gonna table item number four the Klinefelder report and we will still unless anybody has objection I think we should still talk about the transitional audit, you came all the way here. Um and if we have additional questions for CLA we can

[Speaker 2] (21:45 - 21:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (21:46 - 21:46)
get them to them.

[Speaker 2] (21:46 - 21:47)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (21:47 - 21:47)
Does that work?

[Speaker 2] (21:47 - 21:48)
Agreed.

[Speaker 3] (21:48 - 21:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (21:49 - 22:03)
Alright, very good. Now we can start public comment. Um the microphone's over here for this room. Um public comment will be limited to three minutes. Please state your name and your address if you would like to make public comment. If you're online please raise your hand so we know that you would like to speak.

[Speaker 3] (22:07 - 22:09)
It's a unicorn night. Nobody wants to talk.

[Speaker 1] (22:11 - 22:11)
And see anyone online

[Speaker 3] (22:11 - 22:13)
All right, we will move on then.

[Speaker 3] (22:13 - 22:20)
Thank you very much. Moving on to new and old business, we'll begin with the discussion of possible vote on the sale of the bond anticipation note.

[Speaker 1] (22:24 - 22:24)
That might be easiest

[Speaker 2] (22:25 - 22:26)
Yeah, can you hear me?

[Speaker 3] (22:26 - 22:26)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (22:28 - 22:29)
How are you?

[Speaker 4] (22:29 - 22:30)
Good. How are you guys?

[Speaker 3] (22:30 - 22:30)
Great, thanks.

[Speaker 4] (22:30 - 22:41)
Um yes, so this is a statehouse note, which is a slightly different form of borrowing where we don't have to go through some of the additional costs of a traditional borrowing. Um

[Speaker 4] (22:41 - 22:48)
But we went through a bid process and had Oppenheimer be our main bid at just under three and a half percent.

[Speaker 4] (22:48 - 22:56)
This note will go through May when we'll go through the traditional long-term debt process along with our other issuances.

[Speaker 4] (22:56 - 23:06)
The main project driving this is the fire truck which came last week and we made the payment just a couple days ago, the final payment for that.

[Speaker 4] (23:06 - 23:10)
Uh I'm so pretty simple and I'm here to answer any questions if you have any.

[Speaker 5] (23:13 - 23:16)
I have a question. What happened with the first bid that went out?

[Speaker 4] (23:16 - 23:38)
Yeah, so we had a first bid and we did not get any bids back, so we we grouped with our financial advisor and publicized a little bit better, and um basically what happened is everyone at these groups was on vacation over the summer and decided to not bid because they were on vacation, so they got back from vacation and we got a good bid in.

[Speaker 2] (23:40 - 23:41)
Well that's interesting.

[Speaker 2] (23:47 - 23:54)
So I just want to thank you for at least one of the things I had asked for was to get an explanation of what the spend was for.

[Speaker 4] (23:54 - 23:55)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (23:55 - 23:57)
So I appreciate you giving us some of the notes.

[Speaker 4] (23:58 - 23:58)
Yeah, happy to.

[Speaker 2] (23:58 - 24:01)
Yeah, in terms of the line by line, that's helpful to understand.

[Speaker 3] (24:09 - 24:11)
If anybody has any additional questions,

[Speaker 3] (24:11 - 24:12)
Liam is here,

[Speaker 3] (24:12 - 24:17)
but otherwise the form of the vote is at the bottom of the memorandum on the second page of what's in here,

[Speaker 3] (24:17 - 24:34)
and we do have to read this specifically. So I think it would be something along the lines of the written votes presented in this meeting in connection with the town sales of its note and bonds be adopted as written and incorporated into the minutes of this meeting in.

[Speaker 3] (24:34 - 24:39)
O and let's see, the whole text of the vote.

[Speaker 3] (24:46 - 24:53)
And the votes are attached here too so we can adopt them into the minutes if that is anybody's motion.

[Speaker 5] (24:54 - 24:55)
So moved.

[Speaker 3] (24:56 - 24:56)
Can I a second?

[Speaker 2] (24:56 - 24:57)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (24:58 - 25:00)
Okay, and we are physically here,

[Speaker 3] (25:00 - 25:01)
so we can just say all in favor?

[Speaker 2] (25:01 - 25:01)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (25:01 - 25:02)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (25:02 - 25:04)
Aye. It's been a while since we could do that, so.

[Speaker 3] (25:05 - 25:09)
Alright, so this passes. Anything else for Liam?

[Speaker 5] (25:10 - 25:10)
Thanks, Liam.

[Speaker 2] (25:10 - 25:11)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (25:11 - 25:11)
Thank

[Speaker 2] (25:11 - 25:11)
you.

[Speaker 3] (25:11 - 25:11)
you so much.

[Speaker 2] (25:11 - 25:11)
Thank you,

[Speaker 3] (25:11 - 25:12)
Appreciate

[Speaker 2] (25:12 - 25:12)
Liam.

[Speaker 3] (25:12 - 25:12)
it.

[Speaker 3] (25:17 - 25:19)
Alright, moving on to fiscal year 26,

[Speaker 3] (25:19 - 25:20)
end of year.

[Speaker 3] (25:23 - 25:27)
First of all Patrick, thank you for coming. I know today you had today off and so appreciate you rearranging

[Speaker 2] (25:27 - 25:29)
You can re-dress that if you want.

[Speaker 3] (25:29 - 25:33)
to come visit us. I know we had to re

[Speaker 3] (25:35 - 25:37)
negotiate these times,

[Speaker 3] (25:37 - 25:38)
so appreciate it.

[Speaker 1] (25:41 - 25:44)
Could you just give me one second for sharing.

[Speaker 2] (25:44 - 25:44)
Thanks, Nick.

[Speaker 3] (26:00 - 26:01)
Cash in TV

[Speaker 2] (26:01 - 26:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (26:01 - 26:01)
table.

[Speaker 2] (26:01 - 26:03)
I hate to say that's a throwback.

[Speaker 5] (26:03 - 26:03)
Oh, wow.

[Speaker 2] (26:03 - 26:03)
Flashback

[Speaker 3] (26:03 - 26:04)
There you

[Speaker 2] (26:04 - 26:04)
1976.

[Speaker 3] (26:04 - 26:04)
go.

[Speaker 3] (26:06 - 26:07)
Put her out of the microwave.

[Speaker 4] (26:08 - 26:08)
Thanks, John.

[Speaker 2] (26:08 - 26:10)
We didn't have microwaves back then.

[Speaker 1] (26:18 - 26:20)
I cannot get this into full screen. Where am I looking here?

[Speaker 1] (26:34 - 26:35)
you want to go to the next slide.

[Speaker 2] (26:35 - 26:53)
Okay. All right um so thank you for having me tonight um here to give an update on the fiscal 26 financial results. Our year ended June 30th. Um originally this was planned for the 18th. So this is the same presentation that was gonna be given. Um

[Speaker 6] (26:54 - 27:07)
Overall high level, we had modestly favorable results for the year. Revenues exceeded estimates by five hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars and expenditures were under budget four hundred and sixty one thousand dollars.

[Speaker 6] (27:08 - 27:18)
For comparison, F.Y. twenty five our revenues were eighty one thousand dollars over estimate and expenditures were only one hundred and seventy six thousand dollars under budget. So

[Speaker 6] (27:19 - 27:22)
Where we have a more favorable result this year than last.

[Speaker 6] (27:23 - 27:31)
Local receipts exceeded estimates by a million dollars, excluding some non-recurring revenues which would skew our result.

[Speaker 6] (27:33 - 27:36)
Budget pressures this year revolved around public safety personnel,

[Speaker 6] (27:36 - 27:50)
particularly fire and ratification of the new police collective bargaining agreement. We had a heavy snow year, so there was overages in the snow and ice removal costs. We had some overage in town council expense,

[Speaker 6] (27:50 - 27:53)
payroll tax and unemployment related expenses.

[Speaker 6] (27:54 - 27:57)
Savings, we saw savings in the areas such as health insurance,

[Speaker 6] (27:58 - 28:03)
state assessments, and staffing vacancies that occurred, you know, during the year.

[Speaker 6] (28:04 - 28:10)
We have some funding issues related to overlay and COVID deficits that I'll get to at the end of the presentation.

[Speaker 6] (28:10 - 28:12)
Overall, positive result.

[Speaker 6] (28:12 - 28:16)
We're expecting free cash to be certified within our policies,

[Speaker 6] (28:16 - 28:17)
which is.

[Speaker 6] (28:18 - 28:20)
three to five percent of the operating budget.

[Speaker 6] (28:20 - 28:28)
And water and sewer retained earnings are anticipated to be certified above the minimum policy, which I talked about at our last meeting when we passed rates.

[Speaker 6] (28:29 - 28:33)
And PEG and solid waste enterprise funds are expected to be certified positive.

[Speaker 6] (28:35 - 28:37)
Uh next slide.

[Speaker 6] (28:37 - 28:38)
If you wanna go on.

[Speaker 6] (28:41 - 28:43)
Little more detail on the revenue results.

[Speaker 6] (28:44 - 29:02)
Property taxes were below our budget estimates. That's largely driven by the fact that we use free cash to reduce the tax rate this year, and the amount is seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars. State aid, um less than estimates, that's based on changes in charter school reimbursement that happened after the budget was passed, based on enrollment.

[Speaker 6] (29:03 - 29:08)
And local receipts 46% above estimate,

[Speaker 6] (29:08 - 29:16)
driven largely by non-recurring revenue. So we had a permit fee in the amount of $773,000 related to redevelopment in Vin and Square.

[Speaker 6] (29:16 - 29:26)
And we had a National Grid energy-related incentive for the new school in the amount of $374,000. So those are one-time things that are not going to, you know, recur,

[Speaker 6] (29:26 - 29:28)
but notable.

[Speaker 1] (29:29 - 29:29)
Patrick, that

[Speaker 6] (29:29 - 29:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (29:29 - 29:35)
VIN and square permit fee, is that for the apartment building as well or just the shell and new build? Do

[Speaker 6] (29:35 - 29:36)
That's

[Speaker 1] (29:36 - 29:36)
you have

[Speaker 6] (29:36 - 29:36)
the

[Speaker 1] (29:36 - 29:37)
that level of detail?

[Speaker 6] (29:37 - 29:40)
Um that I believe that is just the apartment building.

[Speaker 1] (29:40 - 29:40)
Oh, okay. I think

[Speaker 6] (29:40 - 29:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (29:41 - 29:47)
it's primarily the apartment. It's almost all the apart there is it was a little bit below that I know so it's a it's almost all the apartment building, but not complete.

[Speaker 6] (29:48 - 29:49)
We can get you the detail.

[Speaker 2] (29:48 - 29:48)
We

[Speaker 1] (29:48 - 29:48)
I can don't

[Speaker 2] (29:48 - 29:49)
get you the detail.

[Speaker 3] (29:50 - 29:56)
And the National Grid money, that's non-reoccurring, that was forecasted out to us a couple years ago, right?

[Speaker 2] (29:56 - 29:56)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (29:56 - 29:56)
This

[Speaker 2] (29:56 - 29:57)
so we

[Speaker 3] (29:57 - 29:57)
isn't

[Speaker 2] (29:57 - 29:57)
anticipated

[Speaker 3] (29:57 - 29:57)
new money.

[Speaker 2] (29:57 - 30:04)
this money, we didn't know the exact amount. So now the work has been done and submitted and we have that result.

[Speaker 2] (30:06 - 30:08)
Okay, you wanna go to the next slide.

[Speaker 2] (30:09 - 30:28)
Um this is a little bit of a busy slide, I apologise, but just a little more detail on local receipts I'll call out. Uh motor vehicle excise taxes are our largest source of recurring local receipts that exceeded estimates by three point two percent. Um local option excise taxes which include meals tax, rooms tax,

[Speaker 2] (30:28 - 30:34)
cannabis sales tax, that exceeded our estimates by thirty seven thirty eight percent. Um

[Speaker 2] (30:35 - 30:59)
So there's actual growth there if you look at the last few years in all those categories. So that's something that's gonna help us out going forward. Um and to the point to the level that it's sustainable obviously. Um penalties and interest on overdue taxes exceeded estimates, seventy-eight percent were conservative in that number. We have some large redemptions in delinquent accounts that can that can you know result in

[Speaker 2] (31:00 - 31:02)
actuals over estimates like this.

[Speaker 2] (31:03 - 31:14)
Licenses and permits exceeded estimates by a ton because of the Vinton Square permit. Um and the miscellaneous revenues that we just talked about. Any questions on this slide?

[Speaker 4] (31:15 - 31:17)
Yeah, the appropriations and exercises taxes.

[Speaker 3] (31:17 - 31:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (31:18 - 31:22)
Um is any of this anticipated in the planning from last year? Was this

[Speaker 4] (31:23 - 31:28)
Uh obviously I mean to be off by that I mean it's a good thing, I'm not complaining,

[Speaker 4] (31:28 - 31:34)
Yeah. but I mean did did did we have some forbearance or knowledge that this was going to

[Speaker 1] (31:35 - 31:35)
Be coming in?

[Speaker 2] (31:36 - 31:43)
So we have a policy to estimate local receipts, which looks at the lesser of a three-year average or the prior year actual.

[Speaker 1] (31:43 - 31:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (31:43 - 31:49)
And then if there's any specific information that we can point to that would inform an estimate above that,

[Speaker 2] (31:49 - 31:59)
we would take that estimate because these categories are actually growing and it's not like we added a third, you know, cannabis shop or a large, you know, large restaurant.

[Speaker 2] (32:00 - 32:10)
No, we didn't predict this level of growth, but we did follow our policy and our, you know, mechanisms and to the extent that this is sustainable and continues we will bake it in going forward.

[Speaker 2] (32:11 - 32:19)
I think one of the changes the Finance Committee made right before the budget was passed this for 27 was to increase some of the assumptions on the local option tax,

[Speaker 2] (32:19 - 32:20)
the cannabis tax,

[Speaker 2] (32:20 - 32:26)
based on what we were seeing in a trend that exceeded our, you know, typical measurement.

[Speaker 4] (32:27 - 32:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (32:28 - 32:34)
So when we talk about the redevelopment of the NNN and the additional restaurants that are being added,

[Speaker 2] (32:34 - 32:35)
Mm hmm.

[Speaker 5] (32:35 - 32:41)
will that potentially increase what our prediction or forecasting is for 28?

[Speaker 2] (32:41 - 32:41)
For 28?

[Speaker 2] (32:42 - 32:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (32:43 - 32:44)
I think that's worth a conversation.

[Speaker 2] (32:44 - 32:52)
There's, you know, new housing units coming online eventually that will bring people that will spend money at these places that are adjacent. So

[Speaker 2] (32:53 - 32:54)
That'll be a conversation.

[Speaker 3] (32:54 - 32:57)
But that would be reoccurring, not apparent.

[Speaker 3] (32:57 - 33:09)
The one problem we've had in the past was using money that was not reoccurring and then baking that into our operating budget. We've got to be very, very careful not to ever do that again.

[Speaker 3] (33:09 - 33:09)
So.

[Speaker 2] (33:09 - 33:13)
Right and we have it here and that's why we're getting one time money and it's showing

[Speaker 2] (33:14 - 33:16)
as a positive variance, right? It's gonna help

[Speaker 3] (33:16 - 33:16)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (33:16 - 33:18)
our free cash, things like that.

[Speaker 2] (33:18 - 33:22)
Um so we're that is in line with what what the practice is here.

[Speaker 1] (33:22 - 33:22)
I think

[Speaker 5] (33:22 - 33:22)
That meant

[Speaker 1] (33:22 - 33:23)
to your

[Speaker 5] (33:23 - 33:23)
more

[Speaker 1] (33:23 - 33:25)
point we would uh you mean restaurant tax?

[Speaker 5] (33:25 - 33:26)
Yeah, I mean more meals and

[Speaker 1] (33:26 - 33:26)
Yep,

[Speaker 5] (33:26 - 33:26)
beverage.

[Speaker 1] (33:26 - 33:27)
right.

[Speaker 3] (33:27 - 33:29)
Yeah, that would be re Yeah, and you can bake you

[Speaker 5] (33:29 - 33:29)
reoccurring.

[Speaker 3] (33:29 - 33:30)
can you can bake that in as

[Speaker 5] (33:30 - 33:34)
to an estimate because there are m now more restaurants there for you would assume the projected

[Speaker 1] (33:34 - 33:34)
And you

[Speaker 5] (33:34 - 33:34)
people

[Speaker 1] (33:34 - 33:37)
I just wanna highlight near one of something being open, we would

[Speaker 5] (33:37 - 33:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (33:37 - 33:39)
comparatively estimate and then

[Speaker 1] (33:39 - 33:41)
and have more information after a year of like something like

[Speaker 5] (33:41 - 33:42)
Sam Right.

[Speaker 1] (33:42 - 33:44)
Walker's as opposed to thinking it's gonna be

[Speaker 5] (33:44 - 33:45)
I think we're getting more than

[Speaker 1] (33:45 - 33:45)
a big

[Speaker 5] (33:45 - 33:45)
a year,

[Speaker 1] (33:45 - 33:46)
hit no matter what.

[Speaker 5] (33:46 - 33:47)
than we were.

[Speaker 1] (33:47 - 33:47)
We wanna get some

[Speaker 5] (33:47 - 33:47)
Jeez.

[Speaker 1] (33:47 - 33:54)
we'll conservatively estimate it having a new location, looking at what we have and that way we're not planning for something that doesn't exist.

[Speaker 3] (33:54 - 34:02)
But we never know who's actually contributing to that extra addition because the state doesn't release that, right? That's

[Speaker 2] (34:03 - 34:05)
We don't get break down by establishment for

[Speaker 3] (34:05 - 34:05)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (34:05 - 34:07)
our meals or room stacks, because

[Speaker 3] (34:07 - 34:07)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (34:07 - 34:09)
of taxpayer privacy laws. The state

[Speaker 3] (34:09 - 34:09)
Oh.

[Speaker 2] (34:09 - 34:10)
doesn't provide that to us.

[Speaker 3] (34:10 - 34:11)
Proprietary info.

[Speaker 2] (34:11 - 34:13)
Yeah. So you have to do some deductive

[Speaker 3] (34:13 - 34:13)
So we have

[Speaker 2] (34:13 - 34:13)
reasoning.

[Speaker 3] (34:13 - 34:14)
to we have to guess.

[Speaker 5] (34:14 - 34:15)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (34:16 - 34:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (34:16 - 34:17)
Informed guesses.

[Speaker 5] (34:17 - 34:19)
Yeah, they're they're educated guesses.

[Speaker 2] (34:19 - 34:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (34:20 - 34:24)
Patrick, can you speak to the decrease in rentals and what that is comprised of?

[Speaker 2] (34:24 - 34:32)
Uh yep, so that's primarily due to the change-over from uh Cataldo to Beauport.

[Speaker 6] (34:32 - 34:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (34:32 - 34:44)
Um the rental agreement is different, so there's um, you know, a few few months where there was less rent or no rent because there's a provision where they can make improvements and that counts towards their rent. So that's a piece of that.

[Speaker 2] (34:45 - 34:45)
not

[Speaker 3] (34:45 - 34:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (34:45 - 34:56)
um there's also a cell tower lease that it looks like they were late on a payment so I have them being followed up on now. So we will see that money come into twenty seven instead of twenty six which is a timing

[Speaker 2] (34:57 - 34:59)
timing issue. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (34:59 - 34:59)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (34:59 - 35:00)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (35:06 - 35:12)
Um on the expenditure side this just breaks down at a high level, you know by function of government.

[Speaker 2] (35:13 - 35:24)
Um the variance to budget it's not really a useful chart to be honest because everything was very close um but if we go to the next slide Nick there's some more detail that we can talk about. Um

[Speaker 2] (35:25 - 35:38)
so I mentioned at the beginning there were some savings from several vacancies. Those are broken down kind of on the right by um department uh accounting assessing treasury um were savings and then there were

[Speaker 2] (35:39 - 36:04)
hires in building, um savings from health, public health nurse position changed, um recreation we spent more on lifeguards this year, which I talked about um when we did the sh the year-end shuffle in sh in July, and um obviously the police and fire expenditures from the new police CBA and the um fire overtime costs, which I also talked about when we did the year-end transfers. Snow and ice, that was

[Speaker 2] (36:04 - 36:28)
Nearly two hundred thousand dollars over budget. Um it was a very heavy snow here. So that's equipment, that's removal costs for the labour um involved with ploughing. Uh town council exceed a budget by ten percent, um twenty two thousand dollars. And then we had some larger savings from health insurance, almost three hundred thousand dollars uh and some additional expenditures in payroll tax and unemployment.

[Speaker 2] (36:29 - 36:39)
And again, the the state assessments did um come in less than estimates at budget time due to changes in the the charter school sending tuition based on y enrollment.

[Speaker 3] (36:41 - 36:48)
When we did the shuffle, we had to shuffle money because the fire department was once again over on overtime,

[Speaker 3] (36:48 - 36:50)
but the police department wasn't, correct?

[Speaker 2] (36:50 - 36:51)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (36:51 - 36:51)
So

[Speaker 3] (36:53 - 36:55)
But the police department was over on their budget?

[Speaker 2] (36:56 - 36:58)
So from original budget,

[Speaker 2] (36:59 - 37:04)
right, versus the amended budget with the transfers we did at town meeting for the new collective bargaining agreement,

[Speaker 3] (37:04 - 37:05)
Okay I'm good with

[Speaker 2] (37:05 - 37:05)
that's

[Speaker 3] (37:05 - 37:05)
that.

[Speaker 2] (37:05 - 37:06)
the difference. We

[Speaker 3] (37:06 - 37:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (37:06 - 37:09)
just transfer money into their budget at town meeting, so we should be factoring that in too.

[Speaker 3] (37:09 - 37:14)
Mm-hmm. So they really weren't over their budget until we did the So news

[Speaker 2] (37:14 - 37:14)
we passed

[Speaker 3] (37:14 - 37:14)
C_V_A_

[Speaker 2] (37:14 - 37:15)
for the C_V_A_

[Speaker 3] (37:15 - 37:15)
right.

[Speaker 2] (37:15 - 37:16)
yes.

[Speaker 5] (37:17 - 37:18)
We're so nice.

[Speaker 5] (37:18 - 37:23)
Um I know that it's the only line that can run in deficit and

[Speaker 2] (37:23 - 37:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (37:23 - 37:27)
like so I feel like it maybe gets used a little bit.

[Speaker 5] (37:28 - 37:44)
less judiciously like that it could it's sometimes the first to decrease because we have the ability to let it run in deficit so are we being more thoughtful about how we're factoring it for future years I think because this is a I mean yes we can't control the weather and we're not the almanac but

[Speaker 2] (37:44 - 37:46)
Yeah, I think to your point, right,

[Speaker 2] (37:47 - 37:53)
there's a certain statute or regulation from DOR that says we can overextend our snow and ice budget so long as we have

[Speaker 2] (37:53 - 37:55)
we have not reduced the budget from what it was the prior year

[Speaker 5] (37:55 - 37:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (37:55 - 37:57)
for twenty six. We did reduce the budget

[Speaker 5] (37:57 - 37:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (37:58 - 38:00)
as part of our cuts that were made.

[Speaker 2] (38:00 - 38:07)
So we are not legally allowed to overexpend that budget without a transfer, which is why we had to include that in our year-end transfers to

[Speaker 5] (38:07 - 38:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (38:07 - 38:08)
balance the budget.

[Speaker 5] (38:09 - 38:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (38:09 - 38:18)
If we didn't have tailings other places we would have an issue and have to fund that a different way. So um yeah to your point I think going forward we need to

[Speaker 2] (38:19 - 38:24)
look more closely at that budget when we're building our budgets to make sure it's reflective

[Speaker 5] (38:24 - 38:25)
I just don't want to be.

[Speaker 2] (38:25 - 38:27)
of reality and not too wishful, right?

[Speaker 5] (38:27 - 38:28)
Yes. Yep.

[Speaker 5] (38:28 - 38:30)
I think Gino's the first to raise a hand sometimes.

[Speaker 6] (38:30 - 38:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (38:30 - 38:32)
And we just want to be thoughtful about that.

[Speaker 3] (38:32 - 38:34)
During this budget season,

[Speaker 3] (38:34 - 38:35)
at what point did you freeze the budget?

[Speaker 2] (38:36 - 38:38)
We froze the budget in March.

[Speaker 2] (38:44 - 38:47)
Any other questions on this slide before we move on?

[Speaker 2] (38:49 - 38:49)
Hearing none.

[Speaker 2] (38:53 - 38:57)
So this slide here summarizes our main reserves.

[Speaker 2] (38:58 - 39:03)
So stabilization and capital stabilization are within policy.

[Speaker 2] (39:03 - 39:10)
Stabilization is actually slightly above policy. Um the ranges are listed there. Uh

[Speaker 2] (39:10 - 39:15)
Free cash, that's not an up-to-date number in terms of what our new certification is. We don't have that yet.

[Speaker 2] (39:16 - 39:24)
But that is reflective of what was unexpended at the end of FY26 after all of our appropriations at town meeting.

[Speaker 3] (39:30 - 39:33)
So stabilization available above,

[Speaker 3] (39:33 - 39:34)
we have over half a million.

[Speaker 3] (39:35 - 39:37)
Available above above

[Speaker 2] (39:38 - 39:42)
Correct. So the high end of the range is 10% of operating budget.

[Speaker 3] (39:42 - 39:42)
Okay

[Speaker 2] (39:42 - 39:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (39:44 - 39:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (39:45 - 39:47)
That was as of June thirtieth.

[Speaker 1] (39:51 - 39:52)
Any questions on this slide?

[Speaker 1] (39:57 - 40:06)
Uh the next few slides summarise the enterprise fund operating results. Sewer fund had a favourable result.

[Speaker 1] (40:06 - 40:22)
s um actual revenue versus estimate. Um so revenues exceeded estimates by ten percent that was by design, we passed certain rates last year with intention of replenishing those funds to a certain level. Um so that that

[Speaker 1] (40:24 - 40:27)
became reality here. Um so I've referenced that. Uh

[Speaker 1] (40:27 - 40:37)
Um expenditures, the p uh personnel expenditures were right right on target and the operating expenditures were sli slightly under budget, two percent.

[Speaker 4] (40:38 - 40:38)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (40:38 - 40:41)
And this is for the sewer fund. If you go to the next slide, next.

[Speaker 5] (40:41 - 40:42)
Oh, can I ask a

[Speaker 1] (40:42 - 40:42)
Yep, go question ahead.

[Speaker 5] (40:42 - 40:53)
the last I think in your last presentation I had asked you uh a follow-up question regarding the amount of the difference between the water consumption and the sewer.

[Speaker 5] (40:54 - 40:59)
consumption outflow to limb water and sewer and to ask how much that was actually costing us.

[Speaker 1] (40:59 - 41:01)
Yes. I don't have that tonight, I apologise.

[Speaker 5] (41:01 - 41:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (41:01 - 41:08)
I will get that to you. It's basically you're asking for a quantity of unaccounted for water and estimate of what that

[Speaker 5] (41:08 - 41:09)
And what that cost was.

[Speaker 1] (41:09 - 41:11)
costs in terms of the assessments. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (41:12 - 41:13)
Just making sure I had that right.

[Speaker 1] (41:16 - 41:17)
Um water fund.

[Speaker 1] (41:18 - 41:20)
Similar, we passed a certain rate,

[Speaker 1] (41:20 - 41:24)
expecting a positive revenue result that would replenish this fund,

[Speaker 1] (41:24 - 41:25)
replenish our retained earnings.

[Speaker 1] (41:25 - 41:27)
So that was realized.

[Speaker 1] (41:27 - 41:31)
Revenues exceeded estimates by about 19%.

[Speaker 1] (41:32 - 41:34)
Expenditures, we had some savings in personnel.

[Speaker 1] (41:35 - 41:38)
We had a few retirements and we hired at a lower level coming in.

[Speaker 1] (41:39 - 41:43)
And operating expenditures also came in slightly under budget,

[Speaker 1] (41:43 - 41:43)
5%.

[Speaker 5] (41:46 - 41:49)
And this all accounts for new water meters,

[Speaker 5] (41:49 - 41:51)
all that, does that go into that fund or is that a separate

[Speaker 1] (41:51 - 41:51)
So

[Speaker 5] (41:51 - 41:51)
account?

[Speaker 1] (41:51 - 41:55)
any capital projects approved for water or sewer operations,

[Speaker 1] (41:55 - 41:59)
the associated debt service is paid out of these budgets.

[Speaker 1] (41:59 - 42:00)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (42:09 - 42:25)
PEG operations, which just which is our cable access team, um they had some favourable revenue, um the revenue comes from a surcharge on cable bills from Verizon and Comcast primarily, and that's uh nine percent uh positive variance to estimate.

[Speaker 1] (42:26 - 42:46)
Expenditures um personnel was slightly under budget, almost five percent operating expenditures were right on target. Uh they did use retained earnings to fund a portion of their budget previously. They're not doing that in F_Y_ twenty seven in our current year uh because they're not expecting their retained earnings to you know sustain that.

[Speaker 1] (42:46 - 42:49)
Um so they use that money for some one-time expenditures.

[Speaker 6] (42:50 - 42:56)
But is there a rate that you're going down each year because of people not using cable?

[Speaker 1] (42:56 - 42:58)
So it's it's you want to

[Speaker 5] (42:58 - 42:58)
Go

[Speaker 1] (42:58 - 42:59)
cover ahead. okay.

[Speaker 5] (42:59 - 42:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (42:59 - 42:59)
Yeah

[Speaker 5] (42:59 - 43:00)
Jumping out to you.

[Speaker 1] (43:00 - 43:16)
so revenue is tied by to a subscriber so if you have a declining number of subscribers that hurts revenue it's also tied to how we are negotiating our license agreements for Verizon and Comcast because that surcharge and other items related to PEG are defined in there

[Speaker 1] (43:16 - 43:29)
So if you have declining subscribers, but an increased surcharge for example, that could negate each other. But generally if the agreement is not changing, then their revenue is declining slightly each year, yes.

[Speaker 7] (43:30 - 43:42)
And the engagement with uh that we voted on three weeks ago I guess now was to enter and begin the negotiations with special council Bill August.

[Speaker 7] (43:42 - 43:57)
which was part of the I want to say as part of the consent agenda the last meeting I was at so that process would be get Xfinity and a new contractor Comcast it talks about both capital and what their capital and what their

[Speaker 7] (43:59 - 44:00)
Sorry, uh there

[Speaker 6] (44:00 - 44:00)
Am I

[Speaker 7] (44:00 - 44:00)
there

[Speaker 6] (44:00 - 44:00)
re-retracting

[Speaker 7] (44:00 - 44:00)
fee is

[Speaker 6] (44:00 - 44:01)
you?

[Speaker 7] (44:01 - 44:14)
uh and so and then Verizon is next year. So they are very closely tied together. They in some communities, and I haven't looked at Verizon, so I've seen Comcast in some communities the one that goes second will actually ask that, you know,

[Speaker 7] (44:14 - 44:19)
there's like a re-opener if there's a favourable change with the other contract,

[Speaker 7] (44:19 - 44:25)
that type of thing. So we're entering into those negotiations, we'll have more information, but it is generally declining,

[Speaker 7] (44:25 - 44:26)
their capital.

[Speaker 7] (44:26 - 44:44)
um contributions to communities and some communities are taking PEG in-house, others are doing it as a really robust non-profit. These are all parts of future discussions. The but State Legislature has also for I think three terms or three sessions had something in there to talk about cord cutters.

[Speaker 7] (44:45 - 44:54)
And it dies in the legislature every time, but the idea would be that there is still some cost to just having internet service that would go to support community access.

[Speaker 7] (44:55 - 44:57)
But right now it's only tied to cable.

[Speaker 7] (44:57 - 45:03)
So that's with cable use going down, revenue goes down, the folks that deliver that service,

[Speaker 7] (45:03 - 45:09)
RCN, Comcast, Verizon, all want to negotiate contracts that are more favorable to them because their subscriber base is going down.

[Speaker 1] (45:10 - 45:10)
Hmm

[Speaker 6] (45:11 - 45:18)
So that means everybody who's using cable is really subsidising this, and the rest of the people that are just streaming

[Speaker 5] (45:19 - 45:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (45:20 - 45:20)
get a free ride.

[Speaker 7] (45:23 - 45:27)
I mean, I suppose but at the same time streaming

[Speaker 8] (45:27 - 45:28)
I think

[Speaker 7] (45:28 - 45:28)
the

[Speaker 8] (45:28 - 45:28)
we

[Speaker 7] (45:28 - 45:28)
folks can that

[Speaker 8] (45:28 - 45:28)
give

[Speaker 7] (45:28 - 45:28)
are streaming

[Speaker 8] (45:28 - 45:28)
him a podium,

[Speaker 7] (45:28 - 45:29)
the

[Speaker 8] (45:29 - 45:29)
Muriel.

[Speaker 7] (45:29 - 45:37)
folks that are streaming don't have access to cable access without going through the internet. So they don't have access to those stations. If you do YouTube TV or something, you don't

[Speaker 7] (45:38 - 45:39)
Get access to local cable,

[Speaker 5] (45:39 - 45:39)
Well

[Speaker 7] (45:39 - 45:40)
cable access and peg.

[Speaker 5] (45:40 - 45:41)
we we

[Speaker 7] (45:41 - 45:41)
We have to do we it on your

[Speaker 5] (45:41 - 45:41)
do broadcast

[Speaker 7] (45:41 - 45:42)
through

[Speaker 5] (45:42 - 45:42)
on

[Speaker 7] (45:42 - 45:43)
cablecast.

[Speaker 5] (45:43 - 45:43)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (45:43 - 45:49)
Yeah, I'm just saying it's not it's another step you're taking in order to try to access that content.

[Speaker 6] (45:49 - 45:50)
Got it.

[Speaker 7] (45:50 - 45:58)
And you don't get like the continuous like go to station I don't I honestly don't know what it is in town, but station 13 and it's constantly running meetings and

[Speaker 7] (45:59 - 46:01)
events and you know content

[Speaker 5] (46:01 - 46:01)
So

[Speaker 7] (46:01 - 46:01)
that's

[Speaker 5] (46:01 - 46:01)
in

[Speaker 7] (46:01 - 46:02)
created so

[Speaker 5] (46:02 - 46:21)
talking with Joe a couple of months ago, he had made an interesting comment that I just am kind of thinking about now that they weren't and maybe he can speak to it if he's still around here that they weren't able to get high definition on certain channels or they were limited and I thought that was kind of absurd in 2026.

[Speaker 7] (46:22 - 46:25)
So if we ask for something new like that we would

[Speaker 5] (46:26 - 46:27)
Penalty.

[Speaker 7] (46:27 - 46:34)
Are you likely in the course of the negotiation be told that your financial contribution from the providers will be lower because they're now gonna provide

[Speaker 7] (46:35 - 46:37)
high definition bandwidth that we don't have right now.

[Speaker 7] (46:38 - 46:39)
So it

[Speaker 5] (46:39 - 46:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (46:39 - 46:39)
necessarily

[Speaker 6] (46:39 - 46:40)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (46:40 - 46:50)
handcuffs Joe and what money he has to spend to support if we're asking for that in p as part of the it's a it's a give and a take like anything else in a negotiation.

[Speaker 5] (46:51 - 47:04)
I suppose so, but you know the cost of them if you asked us fifteen years ago it was a different story, right? If you ask it now the ability to provide that band-width is is is pennies, right? So I d I'm just trying to understand why

[Speaker 5] (47:06 - 47:06)
it's

[Speaker 5] (47:07 - 47:19)
I I guess I don't want to become a no-go a true negotiating point of a give or take like you're giving you're giving it away. But I would just want you to keep that in mind that it seems kind of antiquity antiquated.

[Speaker 9] (47:19 - 47:19)
Weighted.

[Speaker 6] (47:19 - 47:20)
Antiquated.

[Speaker 5] (47:20 - 47:30)
Yeah, that um we would still be giving, you know, standard definition and this is w more along the lines of them trying to you know telecast the sports games and

[Speaker 9] (47:30 - 47:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (47:30 - 47:32)
and I was just noticing I was in I was in their

[Speaker 5] (47:33 - 47:41)
The awesome studio, which is incredible. Um I was just kind of uh stymied on the fact that they still didn't have H_D_ So

[Speaker 7] (47:41 - 47:50)
Yeah, the conversations that council will represent us in and that we will have with him as he prepares will not be me alone, it'll be Joe and anyone else he wants on his team.

[Speaker 5] (47:50 - 47:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (47:50 - 47:56)
So absolutely worth including. It's asking for more will be like

[Speaker 7] (47:56 - 48:02)
Okay, we will, but then we have to give you less somewhere else. And we, I was a part of the negotiations with Milton, like I've seen

[Speaker 10] (48:03 - 48:04)
Really? Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (48:05 - 48:10)
because they have a declining subscriber base, they are also very sensitive to any changes in what they offer to us.

[Speaker 1] (48:14 - 48:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (48:15 - 48:15)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (48:15 - 48:16)
Next slide.

[Speaker 1] (48:18 - 48:22)
So our fourth and final enterprise fund is the Solid Waste Fund.

[Speaker 1] (48:23 - 48:33)
This fund is subsidised by um the tax levy in local receipts um pretty heavily. So that that's the primary revenue source and there's some um

[Speaker 1] (48:34 - 48:40)
in twenty six there were charges from overflow bags and uh book item stickers and things like that. But um

[Speaker 1] (48:40 - 48:56)
funded this as well. Those types of receipts uh were estimated at at a hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars and they came in at a hundred and fifty four. So we saw um a negative result in the revenues for this fund of about twenty three thousand dollars.

[Speaker 1] (48:56 - 49:13)
Um, upon the expenditure side we saw um, you know, eighty one thousand dollar budget savings primarily due to uh the s s related to the strike and the fact that we uh altered our um payments to them based on the we were receiving. So

[Speaker 1] (49:15 - 49:20)
So I'll send this off to the salaries fund. Any questions?

[Speaker 1] (49:21 - 49:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (49:22 - 49:22)
No.

[Speaker 1] (49:23 - 49:25)
Next slide, retained earnings. So

[Speaker 1] (49:26 - 49:28)
we have a policy, financial policy.

[Speaker 1] (49:28 - 49:39)
We maintain twenty percent of budget in retained earnings for s the sewer and the water funds. Um uh we are estimated to be certified well above that based on

[Speaker 1] (49:44 - 49:49)
And for PEG and Solid Waste I've put an estimate as well of um that balance,

[Speaker 1] (49:50 - 49:52)
which is positive. So

[Speaker 1] (49:53 - 49:54)
Any questions?

[Speaker 2] (49:54 - 49:58)
Yeah, just a quick question. I'm going to go back to the sewer and water fund

[Speaker 1] (49:58 - 49:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (49:58 - 50:02)
because they're so capital intensive intensive. Um do you ever

[Speaker 2] (50:03 - 50:08)
break out what that as a line item is to what out of that the expenditures is capital debt?

[Speaker 1] (50:09 - 50:09)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (50:10 - 50:11)
that's itemized in the annual budget.

[Speaker 2] (50:12 - 50:13)
Yeah, but I'm just saying a year-end a

[Speaker 1] (50:13 - 50:14)
Year-end reporting? Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (50:14 - 50:20)
yeah, because I mean I see on the graph here which you have, you know, water revenue versus water expenditures.

[Speaker 2] (50:21 - 50:27)
And that difference I'm trying to understand is that from debt service or is that yeah?

[Speaker 1] (50:27 - 50:37)
Right. So I will circulate the year-end financial report that has all the line items from town meeting with the board and the finance committee for you to look.

[Speaker 1] (50:37 - 50:39)
It'll answer your question basically.

[Speaker 3] (50:39 - 50:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (50:41 - 51:03)
I just want to make one point on the water and sewer. I brought this up at the last town meeting. I just want to take at some point I want to review the the process and how we charge people because you know I I'm not really sure I'm a big fan on the tier system and I really feel like we should be charging for water use and

[Speaker 4] (51:04 - 51:19)
Are we charging for water use or the way we split it up, is that really the best equitable way for how people are paying? I I'm not looking for an answer tonight, I just wanna, at some point, maybe early spring or whatever, we're just revisiting that.

[Speaker 1] (51:19 - 51:19)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (51:19 - 51:20)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (51:20 - 51:21)
Especially for, you know,

[Speaker 4] (51:22 - 51:31)
for the people for some of the um businesses that use water for um but mostly the condominiums.

[Speaker 4] (51:31 - 51:36)
You know how they how they have it broke down to make sure that it's just equitable for them

[Speaker 1] (51:36 - 51:41)
Sure. I think when we get to the transitional audit, there's a comment in there, or a response rather, that

[Speaker 4] (51:41 - 51:42)
Okay

[Speaker 1] (51:42 - 51:43)
would address that.

[Speaker 1] (51:46 - 51:48)
The following funds, if you wanna move on.

[Speaker 1] (51:50 - 51:54)
So this slide here summarizes our revolving fund activity for the year.

[Speaker 1] (51:55 - 52:02)
General government has seven revolving funds. They have annual spending limits that are approved by town meeting and included in our bylaws.

[Speaker 1] (52:02 - 52:08)
So I've put the revenue and expenditures here and the ending fund balance as of June 30th.

[Speaker 1] (52:09 - 52:15)
Overall we generally saw positive results um across the funds. They're obviously intended to be self-sustaining.

[Speaker 1] (52:16 - 52:19)
Uh the largest fund is the Rec Revolving fund, the

[Speaker 1] (52:21 - 52:40)
Um spending limit was increased to six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for twenty six by a vote of this board and the finance committee. And they had a favourable result of almost seventy thousand dollars. So revenues exceeded estimates um that's based on their growth and the I would say the additional programming they're bringing online. Um so that was something that

[Speaker 1] (52:41 - 53:07)
We were pleased to see, and I wanted to just call that out, on a smaller scale the field maintenance revolving fund had a lot more activity this year than it usually does in terms of revenue and expense. I think that's related to use and the fees that we're collecting and obviously the light usage at the fields is billed back out to those people and we have to pay those costs out of the fund. So the fund did go slightly over its spending limit we found at the end of the year.

[Speaker 1] (53:07 - 53:15)
year. And so we'll be looking to increase the spending limit in that fund for FY 27 to accommodate the additional use and expenditure.

[Speaker 5] (53:16 - 53:21)
So when a program uses the lights, for example, at the field,

[Speaker 5] (53:21 - 53:23)
they pay

[Speaker 5] (53:24 - 53:30)
Where does the money get paid and how, I know it gets paid out of this fund, but it gets reimbursed to this fund too, right through the payment?

[Speaker 1] (53:30 - 53:30)
Correct,

[Speaker 5] (53:30 - 53:30)
A portion

[Speaker 1] (53:30 - 53:31)
they're billed.

[Speaker 5] (53:31 - 53:32)
of the payment goes in here.

[Speaker 1] (53:32 - 53:32)
DPW

[Speaker 5] (53:32 - 53:32)
Okay, got

[Speaker 1] (53:32 - 53:33)
pays them,

[Speaker 5] (53:33 - 53:33)
it.

[Speaker 1] (53:33 - 53:33)
yep.

[Speaker 5] (53:34 - 53:36)
So are we charging the right amount then?

[Speaker 1] (53:37 - 53:39)
Yes, I think we are.

[Speaker 1] (53:40 - 53:43)
And I think that the spending limit needs to be increased. There were

[Speaker 5] (53:43 - 53:43)
alright.

[Speaker 1] (53:43 - 53:49)
also a few like smaller field maintenance items that were paid for this year um that contributed to the expenditure as well. So

[Speaker 5] (53:50 - 53:53)
And then is the payment for Clark to the school come out of the revolving?

[Speaker 1] (53:54 - 53:56)
That comes out of the recreation revolving fund,

[Speaker 1] (53:56 - 53:56)
yes.

[Speaker 5] (53:56 - 53:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (53:57 - 54:00)
So that's included in what you're seeing for expenditures.

[Speaker 5] (54:00 - 54:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (54:01 - 54:03)
On the revolving um

[Speaker 4] (54:04 - 54:20)
A few months ago, when you were doing another presentation, we had asked for questions for about paying for the fireworks and lifeguards out of the revolving account, and you were gonna go and double check the mass general laws on that. So can you just look into that and get back to us at

[Speaker 2] (54:20 - 54:20)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (54:20 - 54:21)
a later date? Thanks.

[Speaker 2] (54:21 - 54:23)
well, um question?

[Speaker 5] (54:23 - 54:26)
S sorry, I'm follow up to the clerk. The utility is also

[Speaker 5] (54:27 - 54:32)
Are they paid by us or are they're included in the MOU right? So we Charlotte has to pay for them?

[Speaker 1] (54:32 - 54:33)
Gas and electric are

[Speaker 5] (54:33 - 54:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (54:33 - 54:35)
coming out of the rec revolving funds.

[Speaker 1] (54:35 - 54:36)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (54:36 - 54:40)
And what about any maintenance or anything like that towards Clark? Is that coming

[Speaker 1] (54:40 - 54:40)
Or

[Speaker 4] (54:40 - 54:41)
out of custodial there?

[Speaker 1] (54:41 - 54:42)
yes is also coming out.

[Speaker 2] (54:44 - 54:47)
Several clarifications. When we say council on aging, are we talking about the senior center?

[Speaker 1] (54:48 - 54:56)
Yes, so the senior centre has a revolving fund for programmes, so voluntary participation, maybe a small fee for a particular programme, so people will pay that.

[Speaker 2] (54:56 - 55:03)
just for clarification also I see an fund balance of six thirty twenty five. Does that mean six thirty twenty six?

[Speaker 1] (55:04 - 55:05)
Yes, thank you.

[Speaker 2] (55:05 - 55:12)
No problem. And then under the recycling part I notice you have a note here that talks about rescinding it for F_ Y_ twenty seven.

[Speaker 1] (55:12 - 55:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (55:12 - 55:14)
I mean effectively I didn't even

[Speaker 2] (55:15 - 55:19)
I never noticed it before, frankly, z z z since we've had the Enterprise Fund.

[Speaker 2] (55:20 - 55:24)
for now four-ish years. Um is there still a need for the recycling fund?

[Speaker 1] (55:25 - 55:29)
So that was set up years ago when the town was issuing the, you know, the small

[Speaker 4] (55:29 - 55:29)
Blue

[Speaker 1] (55:29 - 55:29)
rectangular

[Speaker 4] (55:29 - 55:29)
bins, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (55:29 - 55:30)
barrels.

[Speaker 2] (55:30 - 55:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (55:30 - 55:36)
People would pay the fee for that. Um that's not been the case for as long as I can remember.

[Speaker 5] (55:36 - 55:36)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (55:36 - 55:41)
There's no activity in the fund, so it should just be closed. There's thirty eight hundred dollars in there, which we go to free cash.

[Speaker 2] (55:41 - 55:42)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (55:48 - 55:50)
We increased Andrews chapel limit also.

[Speaker 5] (55:50 - 55:55)
We didn't do that recently. Andrews chapel revolving. Maybe that was a couple years

[Speaker 1] (55:55 - 55:55)
That

[Speaker 5] (55:55 - 55:55)
ago.

[Speaker 1] (55:55 - 55:56)
might be the increased limit.

[Speaker 5] (55:56 - 55:57)
That is okay.

[Speaker 5] (55:57 - 56:01)
I thought I remember talking about it. I'm sorry if it was not this year.

[Speaker 4] (56:01 - 56:04)
I just have one budget question.

[Speaker 4] (56:04 - 56:08)
Has the school returned any money from their budget?

[Speaker 1] (56:09 - 56:11)
So on the expenditures side,

[Speaker 1] (56:11 - 56:14)
there was a line item for education and

[Speaker 1] (56:15 - 56:23)
As of the date of this presentation, it's seventy six thousand dollars being returned to the general fund. Or unexpended budget, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (56:27 - 56:27)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (56:27 - 56:33)
The school is going to present, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, Nick, at their September

[Speaker 2] (56:33 - 56:34)
The second meeting.

[Speaker 5] (56:34 - 56:37)
the second meeting in September, they'll present their year end.

[Speaker 1] (56:38 - 56:38)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (56:39 - 56:46)
if you're interested in a more detailed explanation. And then we can get maybe that presentation can be shared to the board after it's made public. That would be great.

[Speaker 1] (56:49 - 56:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (56:51 - 56:53)
Slide. Okay.

[Speaker 1] (56:53 - 56:58)
Um so this slide is a little different. Um there are two

[Speaker 1] (57:00 - 57:05)
account deficits that exist as of June thirtieth that need to be addressed in FY twenty seven.

[Speaker 1] (57:06 - 57:22)
So they're very different. So I'll talk about them separately. Overlay, if you're not familiar with that account, that is money that is added to the tax levy each year to fund abatements. So if you file an abatement for your property tax,

[Speaker 1] (57:22 - 57:30)
the assessors determine it was overvalued, you would get a reduction to your tax and the difference would come out of this fund so we don't have a hole in our revenue.

[Speaker 1] (57:31 - 57:46)
Um so as those there is also exemptions that people can apply for if you're a senior with certain uh qualifiers or if you have veteran status with certain qualifiers you can apply for those and that is also funded out of this account.

[Speaker 1] (57:47 - 57:56)
Um so this year there was a lot more activity in this account than last and we do have a deficit of three hundred and seventy one thousand dollars in the overlay account.

[Speaker 1] (57:56 - 58:15)
And I'll break down the activity and what changed. But what that, there's two things that need to happen. First that we'll reduce free cash certification by three hundred and seventy one thousand dollars and to resolve the balance we'll have to add that to our tax levy this year in FY 27.

[Speaker 1] (58:16 - 58:22)
So that'll be an additional funding item that has to be addressed between now and when we set the tax rate and we could

[Speaker 1] (58:23 - 58:32)
look at different opportunities to address that if we we use free cash that's an option so we can talk about this further but I wanted to flag it that's

[Speaker 4] (58:32 - 58:33)
Why didn't we do it during the shuffle?

[Speaker 1] (58:36 - 58:37)
not

[Speaker 1] (58:39 - 58:46)
This has to be voted by a town meeting if we're going to use a funding source because it's not a budget item, it's on the balance sheet.

[Speaker 4] (58:46 - 58:46)
Got

[Speaker 1] (58:46 - 58:47)
So

[Speaker 4] (58:47 - 58:47)
it.

[Speaker 1] (58:47 - 58:50)
it's not an appropriation so we can't use that process to do this.

[Speaker 4] (58:50 - 58:51)
It's on It the balance

[Speaker 1] (58:51 - 58:56)
has sheet. to go to town meeting or just get added to the levy, however that shakes out.

[Speaker 2] (58:56 - 58:58)
Does that include senior work-off?

[Speaker 1] (58:58 - 58:59)
It does.

[Speaker 2] (58:59 - 58:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (59:00 - 59:03)
How do we prevent this going?

[Speaker 5] (59:03 - 59:09)
moving forward, and when did we know we were going to meet a deficit?

[Speaker 1] (59:10 - 59:13)
So the abatement season occurs, it starts

[Speaker 1] (59:15 - 59:22)
January 1st, applications are due February 1st, and then they're reviewed by the board of assessors over a period of probably two months and

[Speaker 5] (59:22 - 59:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (59:22 - 59:28)
decisions. The exemption applications are not due until April 1st.

[Speaker 5] (59:28 - 59:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (59:28 - 59:29)
So those come in later.

[Speaker 1] (59:30 - 59:34)
Um and so by June third we we knew before June 30th.

[Speaker 5] (59:34 - 59:34)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (59:35 - 59:35)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (59:35 - 59:52)
that this would be an issue and the final number came, you know, as I was doing year end. And I ha I do have a breakdown of uh the items that contributed to this, because there's one that's I would say abnormal and then other ones that are explainable and will probably mean we have to fund overlay more going forward.

[Speaker 1] (59:52 - 59:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (59:53 - 59:56)
Okay. So I'll go with the

[Speaker 2] (59:57 - 1:00:05)
Anomaly first. So there were two properties that were assessed that should not have been,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:05 - 1:00:05)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:06 - 1:00:17)
So they were redeveloped prior to FY26 and there was a migration in the assessing system and these two properties came back on the tax roll and were assessed.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:18 - 1:00:23)
So that is one item that contributed to this that was $210,000.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:25 - 1:00:25)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:25 - 1:00:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:26 - 1:00:27)
Walk us through that one more time.

[Speaker 5] (1:00:27 - 1:00:28)
Yeah, right,

[Speaker 5] (1:00:28 - 1:00:28)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:00:28 - 1:00:30)
I'm the one that's encouraged to say what?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:32 - 1:00:38)
So the system that is used to maintain the assessing records by

[Speaker 5] (1:00:38 - 1:00:38)
Okay,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:38 - 1:00:38)
the assessor's

[Speaker 5] (1:00:38 - 1:00:39)
property tax.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:39 - 1:00:39)
office,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:39 - 1:00:42)
there was a migration or an upgrade,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:42 - 1:00:43)
right?

[Speaker 2] (1:00:44 - 1:00:48)
And we found after FY26 values were voted,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:48 - 1:00:48)
it...

[Speaker 2] (1:00:49 - 1:00:56)
became apparent that the two of these properties that were assessed should not have been because they were redeveloped previously.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:56 - 1:00:57)
So when you redevelop a property,

[Speaker 2] (1:00:58 - 1:01:02)
the original parcel is marked, you know, inactive and then you might have

[Speaker 2] (1:01:03 - 1:01:09)
mean multiple new parcels for example if something is redeveloped into multiple housing units and it was something else prior.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:09 - 1:01:11)
So they were wrongfully booked in the system,

[Speaker 2] (1:01:11 - 1:01:11)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:11 - 1:01:14)
which caused an increase of 110K in the

[Speaker 2] (1:01:14 - 1:01:15)
Exactly.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:15 - 1:01:16)
assessment. I'm

[Speaker 4] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
I'm still

[Speaker 6] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
sorry,

[Speaker 4] (1:01:16 - 1:01:16)
going

[Speaker 6] (1:01:16 - 1:01:21)
210K when we talked about assessments.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:21 - 1:01:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:22 - 1:01:27)
We recognized it later and once we corrected it, it created that negative impact.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:27 - 1:01:31)
Correct, because you ha when you zero out that assessment, it has to come out of overlay.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:32 - 1:01:32)
Sure. Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:01:33 - 1:01:34)
So it's a clerical error pretty much.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:35 - 1:01:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (1:01:35 - 1:01:36)
When was that noticed?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:37 - 1:01:49)
That was noticed after the actual tax bills went out. So I wanna say March we knew there was a problem, um with one parcel and then subsequent we did the assessors did a review. I didn't do the review, I'll say that.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:50 - 1:01:50)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:01:50 - 1:01:50)
So there

[Speaker 2] (1:01:50 - 1:01:51)
it's

[Speaker 6] (1:01:51 - 1:01:53)
was like an audit done across all assessments to make sure that this wasn't

[Speaker 2] (1:01:53 - 1:01:53)
right.

[Speaker 6] (1:01:53 - 1:01:54)
happening anywhere else.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:54 - 1:01:55)
Right, so

[Speaker 6] (1:01:55 - 1:01:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:01:55 - 1:01:56)
where comfortable

[Speaker 4] (1:01:56 - 1:01:56)
Who did

[Speaker 2] (1:01:56 - 1:01:56)
it

[Speaker 4] (1:01:56 - 1:01:58)
the was audit? Who did the audit?

[Speaker 2] (1:01:58 - 1:01:59)
the assessor.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:02 - 1:02:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:02 - 1:02:04)
Okay, in conjunction with Patriot properties.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:04 - 1:02:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:02:05 - 1:02:14)
So was the is this was this the issue with the vendor or we just had a clerical issue in-house or.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:15 - 1:02:19)
I think this this occurred due to the software upgrade that happened,

[Speaker 8] (1:02:19 - 1:02:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:20 - 1:02:27)
but I think going forward there'll be controls in place to to look for this exact thing so that this doesn't happen again.

[Speaker 8] (1:02:27 - 1:02:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:27 - 1:02:28)
This is unusual.

[Speaker 8] (1:02:29 - 1:02:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:02:29 - 1:02:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:02:29 - 1:02:39)
And so when we talk about the revenues that came in, did we account that $210,000 as revenue in our over just beginning of the presentation?

[Speaker 4] (1:02:39 - 1:02:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:39 - 1:02:44)
Yeah, yeah. So your total tax levy is divvied up across all assessed property.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:45 - 1:02:52)
So the amount taxed does not change based on this.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:55 - 1:02:58)
Okay, so we didn't count this as revenue in my actuals, if that's your question.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:58 - 1:02:59)
Is that your question?

[Speaker 6] (1:02:59 - 1:03:00)
Was this one?

[Speaker 4] (1:03:00 - 1:03:11)
Yes, I want to make sure we're not double counting it or undercounting it. We had expected, I mean, in other words you've reported that that whatever the tax property pro property tax revenue was,

[Speaker 4] (1:03:11 - 1:03:17)
right? Then now you're saying that we obviously overcharged that has to go into the overlay account.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:18 - 1:03:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:18 - 1:03:21)
Did we expect this and know that we're just transferring back

[Speaker 2] (1:03:23 - 1:03:31)
So there's a distinction because the number that was reported at the beginning of the presentation for property tax revenue is actual funds collected,

[Speaker 2] (1:03:31 - 1:03:32)
not

[Speaker 6] (1:03:32 - 1:03:32)
Not predicted.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:32 - 1:03:33)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33)
That's

[Speaker 4] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33)
It's

[Speaker 2] (1:03:33 - 1:03:33)
tax

[Speaker 4] (1:03:33 - 1:03:34)
not predicted.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:34 - 1:03:34)
levy.

[Speaker 6] (1:03:34 - 1:03:34)
predicted.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:34 - 1:03:34)
That's

[Speaker 2] (1:03:34 - 1:03:34)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:34 - 1:03:34)
correct.

[Speaker 8] (1:03:34 - 1:03:35)
Right

[Speaker 4] (1:03:35 - 1:03:36)
It was the estimator versus actual.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:36 - 1:03:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:36 - 1:03:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:37 - 1:03:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:37 - 1:03:39)
So this does not affect that.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:39 - 1:03:40)
Does that make sense?

[Speaker 4] (1:03:40 - 1:03:45)
It does. But had you estimated that it was included or it kind of came in as an error anyways.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:46 - 1:03:49)
The tax levy would not have changed if we.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:50 - 1:03:51)
Coppers prior.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:51 - 1:03:52)
The pie stays the same size.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:52 - 1:03:53)
Exactly, that's

[Speaker 9] (1:03:53 - 1:03:53)
The slice

[Speaker 2] (1:03:53 - 1:03:54)
what yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:03:54 - 1:04:00)
of each individual property would have been different by a small amount to make it because the pie was still the pie.

[Speaker 9] (1:04:00 - 1:04:02)
We just had two extra pieces.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:03 - 1:04:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:04:04 - 1:04:05)
I don't mean to make it

[Speaker 6] (1:04:05 - 1:04:05)
Yeah, we double

[Speaker 4] (1:04:05 - 1:04:06)
That's

[Speaker 6] (1:04:06 - 1:04:06)
-checked.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:06 - 1:04:06)
really good.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:06 - 1:04:06)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (1:04:06 - 1:04:06)
So,

[Speaker 6] (1:04:06 - 1:04:07)
that's fine.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:07 - 1:04:07)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:04:08 - 1:04:09)
I think I understand.

[Speaker 9] (1:04:09 - 1:04:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:04:09 - 1:04:13)
So this might be a NIC question,

[Speaker 8] (1:04:13 - 1:04:13)
but so

[Speaker 8] (1:04:14 - 1:04:25)
Glad we've got processes in place. How often are we looking at the property assessments and ensuring the accuracy of the property cards?

[Speaker 8] (1:04:26 - 1:04:29)
Or is that a too detailed question to get into right now?

[Speaker 9] (1:04:31 - 1:04:32)
So there's the...

[Speaker 9] (1:04:34 - 1:04:35)
You can jump in if I if

[Speaker 4] (1:04:35 - 1:04:36)
Do you want me to jump in or?

[Speaker 9] (1:04:36 - 1:04:52)
I misstate now there's the neighborhood by neighborhood and a neighborhood in the broad sense of how they're determined within assessing not by how we would necessarily define individual that is done on a cycle where there's a certain portion done each year okay

[Speaker 8] (1:04:53 - 1:04:53)
Okay, yep.

[Speaker 9] (1:04:53 - 1:04:59)
and so that would be one opportunity I believe to catch something like this but obviously we wouldn't want it to go more than one year anyway

[Speaker 9] (1:05:00 - 1:05:11)
If a if someone at this property gets a bill and they're like the home doesn't exist it's now a two family or there it was higher density was now built here, I got a higher density bill and I get this one for the old property,

[Speaker 9] (1:05:11 - 1:05:22)
that would be like a request for abatement that would trigger. So in one sense it's done bit by bit, the internal controls I think are what are more important.

[Speaker 9] (1:05:22 - 1:05:26)
So that we when we are aware of changes that are happening, we need to

[Speaker 9] (1:05:27 - 1:05:39)
Specifically be on the lookout for those anomalies. And then the annual piece by piece review also would catch if I'm not mis am I missing something in describing this? Does that answer your question though?

[Speaker 6] (1:05:40 - 1:05:41)
No.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:41 - 1:05:49)
On one hand. On the other hand, individual property cards obviously have the building characteristics of the home and if somebody adds an addition,

[Speaker 8] (1:05:49 - 1:05:49)
whatever.

[Speaker 8] (1:05:52 - 1:05:58)
How often do we audit those property cards to ensure the accuracy of the card versus what's actually there?

[Speaker 9] (1:05:59 - 1:06:04)
I mean, that's part of that process that goes on where the neighborhoods are handled on a rolling basis.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:04 - 1:06:04)
Got it.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:05 - 1:06:09)
I thought Charlie said, sorry to interrupt you, I thought last time Charlie was here he said it was going to take us.

[Speaker 6] (1:06:10 - 1:06:11)
five years or

[Speaker 8] (1:06:11 - 1:06:11)
Something

[Speaker 6] (1:06:11 - 1:06:11)
something along

[Speaker 8] (1:06:11 - 1:06:12)
about five years is

[Speaker 6] (1:06:12 - 1:06:12)
many

[Speaker 8] (1:06:12 - 1:06:13)
what I remember,

[Speaker 6] (1:06:13 - 1:06:13)
many

[Speaker 8] (1:06:13 - 1:06:13)
but

[Speaker 6] (1:06:13 - 1:06:21)
many years in order to go through all of them make sure they're accurate at the rate that we're going right now and then we'd be starting all over again basically

[Speaker 9] (1:06:21 - 1:06:22)
In addition to that, though,

[Speaker 9] (1:06:22 - 1:06:32)
we are working and we're looking at what we can do specifically with OpenGov, but assessing and building prior to Paul and Rich being there,

[Speaker 9] (1:06:33 - 1:06:35)
we're not talking as much as they should be.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:35 - 1:06:41)
So that and ideally Paul's process would be that when before he close out a building permit the assessor is looking at it.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:41 - 1:06:41)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:42 - 1:06:45)
And so, you know, there's multiple opportunities to do this better.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:45 - 1:06:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:46 - 1:06:50)
The internal controls Patrick's speaking to are to make sure this is a mistake that shouldn't be happening.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:51 - 1:06:51)
And then

[Speaker 8] (1:06:51 - 1:06:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:51 - 1:06:53)
there's ways that we can improve the process.

[Speaker 8] (1:06:53 - 1:06:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:53 - 1:06:56)
So I think it's two separate pieces, but

[Speaker 8] (1:06:56 - 1:06:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:06:56 - 1:06:57)
I'm not sure if I

[Speaker 8] (1:06:57 - 1:06:59)
Same vein, but two separate strands, but yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:06:59 - 1:07:01)
not I'm sure if I'm answering your question at all at this point.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:01 - 1:07:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:07:02 - 1:07:08)
I think he'd uh he'd ask the question about an audit, right, and and is Yeah. that up to Patriot Properties?

[Speaker 9] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
No,

[Speaker 9] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
Patriot

[Speaker 6] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
are

[Speaker 9] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
Properties

[Speaker 6] (1:07:10 - 1:07:10)
individual

[Speaker 9] (1:07:10 - 1:07:11)
examine

[Speaker 6] (1:07:11 - 1:07:11)
people

[Speaker 8] (1:07:11 - 1:07:12)
They're just a software

[Speaker 9] (1:07:12 - 1:07:12)
they handle

[Speaker 8] (1:07:12 - 1:07:12)
vendor.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:12 - 1:07:14)
the Yeah. information. They're a platform that

[Speaker 2] (1:07:14 - 1:07:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:14 - 1:07:15)
our information lives

[Speaker 6] (1:07:15 - 1:07:15)
They

[Speaker 9] (1:07:15 - 1:07:15)
on.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:15 - 1:07:16)
need the information they

[Speaker 6] (1:07:17 - 1:07:17)
Put it somewhere.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:18 - 1:07:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:07:18 - 1:07:19)
Like maintain it.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:19 - 1:07:19)
Can I ask

[Speaker 9] (1:07:19 - 1:07:20)
Let's jump in at any point.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:20 - 1:07:22)
because I have that meeting with Paul regularly.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:23 - 1:07:29)
So Paul, the assessor, he is going neighborhood by neighborhood and looking at field cards for

[Speaker 9] (1:07:29 - 1:07:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:30 - 1:07:35)
individual properties for anomalies or things that, you know, need to be corrected basically.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:35 - 1:07:35)
Understood.

[Speaker 9] (1:07:35 - 1:07:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:36 - 1:07:36)
And

[Speaker 2] (1:07:37 - 1:07:45)
the DOR assessing regulations there's a five year cycle for you to go through your properties and kind of do like a a turn of every stone, if you will.

[Speaker 8] (1:07:45 - 1:07:46)
So So every five years,

[Speaker 2] (1:07:46 - 1:07:47)
he that's in progress,

[Speaker 8] (1:07:47 - 1:07:47)
in theory.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:47 - 1:07:51)
he did some of it for during F_Y_ twenty six and he's continued in F_Y_ twenty seven.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:52 - 1:08:03)
It is tedious as you can imagine going through each individual property and there's h you know fifteen hundred properties in town. Um so that it's time consuming and it will take a number of years to

[Speaker 8] (1:08:03 - 1:08:03)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:03 - 1:08:11)
to do that, but he's making good good progress. Um he did complete another neighbourhood um recently. So

[Speaker 10] (1:08:11 - 1:08:29)
Well, he's he's been working on waterfront and waterfront properties are constantly being updated and field cards are being checked whereas the rest of the community is not getting as the same attention as waterfront. And this year he was last year he did

[Speaker 10] (1:08:30 - 1:08:41)
the waterfront right in front of the water and in this summer he said he was doing on the opposite side of the street so he's not able to do all the neighborhoods for it so for example Roy Street,

[Speaker 10] (1:08:41 - 1:08:52)
Clark Street that area is really not being addressed whereas Puritan, your area those you know and it's just it is tedious.

[Speaker 10] (1:08:53 - 1:08:54)
tedious work.

[Speaker 8] (1:08:54 - 1:09:00)
One of the reasons I was asking this is obviously the issue that conservation commission's looking at with the beach and the property over there and whales,

[Speaker 8] (1:09:01 - 1:09:09)
and I know that was something at least I read in the newspaper about the land area and tax issues and a potential assessment.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:09 - 1:09:11)
Are field cards accessible online?

[Speaker 10] (1:09:12 - 1:09:12)
Do you know?

[Speaker 8] (1:09:12 - 1:09:13)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13)
I'm patriotic.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13)
They

[Speaker 9] (1:09:13 - 1:09:13)
You

[Speaker 10] (1:09:13 - 1:09:14)
are patriotic.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:14 - 1:09:14)
know, search by

[Speaker 10] (1:09:14 - 1:09:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:09:15 - 1:09:16)
It's on our GIS system. They can...

[Speaker 6] (1:09:16 - 1:09:18)
Yes, or by plu like or

[Speaker 9] (1:09:18 - 1:09:18)
I think

[Speaker 6] (1:09:18 - 1:09:18)
your book

[Speaker 9] (1:09:18 - 1:09:18)
it's address

[Speaker 6] (1:09:18 - 1:09:19)
page.

[Speaker 9] (1:09:19 - 1:09:23)
or, yeah. Uh but it's like per address it would, you would look up here and then they'd all come and it's

[Speaker 10] (1:09:23 - 1:09:23)
Yeah. Well,

[Speaker 9] (1:09:23 - 1:09:23)
right.

[Speaker 6] (1:09:23 - 1:09:23)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:23 - 1:09:27)
it's just recently someone said asked me why the field cards weren't online

[Speaker 8] (1:09:27 - 1:09:27)
They are.

[Speaker 10] (1:09:27 - 1:09:29)
any longer and I said I thought they were, so

[Speaker 2] (1:09:30 - 1:09:30)
Yeah, they are.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:30 - 1:09:33)
It's usually if I'm not mistaken it's a tab at the top.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:33 - 1:09:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:33 - 1:09:41)
But don't necessarily it doesn't look as good as other websites because Patriot it's ju but the tabs are like there are like four or five tabs across the top

[Speaker 2] (1:09:41 - 1:09:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:41 - 1:09:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:41 - 1:09:42)
that would include that.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:42 - 1:09:44)
And we link to it on our website.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:44 - 1:09:44)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:44 - 1:09:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:09:44 - 1:09:45)
And the link works.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:45 - 1:09:51)
Yeah. Um I just wanna say, you did a good job answering that question, b you answered it on the nose. So,

[Speaker 3] (1:09:51 - 1:09:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:51 - 1:09:51)
thank you.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:52 - 1:09:53)
No offense.

[Speaker 3] (1:09:53 - 1:09:54)
That's what I'm thinking.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:55 - 1:09:58)
So that was, that's two hundred ten thousand. And what about the rest of the money?

[Speaker 5] (1:09:59 - 1:10:04)
Yes. So um the other items that contributed to uh the shortage in the overlay

[Speaker 5] (1:10:06 - 1:10:31)
are exemptions in our senior work off program and I kind of broke it out so I'll just list them off so the veterans exemptions we saw an $80,000 increase from last year so last year we awarded the assessors awarded rather $64,000 in veterans exemptions this year was $124,000 if you remember in 2025 we passed hero's act amendment such how meeting which

[Speaker 5] (1:10:31 - 1:10:35)
which increased the qualifiers for the exemptions and the award, like their value.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:36 - 1:10:36)
So Good for us.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:36 - 1:10:38)
this is the first year with that and we're

[Speaker 3] (1:10:38 - 1:10:38)
Good.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:38 - 1:10:40)
seeing that being utilised.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:40 - 1:10:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:40 - 1:10:52)
Okay? The same thing with the elderly exemption. So uh last year we saw five thousand dollars of elderly exemptions and this year there were thirty thousand dollars of elderly exemptions. So that's twenty five thousand dollars of growth there.

[Speaker 5] (1:10:53 - 1:11:00)
Um blind exemptions that increased from five thousand dollars to nine thousand dollars. And

[Speaker 4] (1:11:00 - 1:11:01)
What was that one, sorry?

[Speaker 5] (1:11:01 - 1:11:01)
Blind.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:01 - 1:11:01)
Blind.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:01 - 1:11:02)
Oh, blind,

[Speaker 5] (1:11:02 - 1:11:02)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:11:02 - 1:11:02)
excuse me.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:02 - 1:11:19)
So if you're, you know, blind to a certain extent you can qualify for a certain property exemption. Um the senior work-off program, last year we did eighty two thousand dollars of abatements for senior work-offs. This year it was ninety one thousand dollars, so that's a nine thousand dollar increase.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:20 - 1:11:28)
And then there's the abatements for overvaluation. So last year the assessors awarded a hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:29 - 1:11:42)
in abatements, and this year it was two hundred and thirty nine thousand dollars. So that's a seventy two thousand dollar difference, and that's largely related to Alom place, which was sixty thousand dollars. So the the growth if you eliminate that

[Speaker 3] (1:11:42 - 1:11:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:43 - 1:11:47)
'cause that's an a new property, I'd call that kind of an anomaly that would be twelve thousand dollars net.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:47 - 1:11:48)
The employees would

[Speaker 2] (1:11:48 - 1:11:49)
Can you

[Speaker 3] (1:11:49 - 1:11:49)
That's kind of crazy.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:49 - 1:11:50)
can you just repeat

[Speaker 1] (1:11:50 - 1:11:51)
Wes ca wait wait wait wait wait.

[Speaker 3] (1:11:51 - 1:11:51)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (1:11:51 - 1:11:51)
The West

[Speaker 3] (1:11:51 - 1:11:51)
Westcott.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:51 - 1:11:53)
guy got a sixty thousand dollar rebate?

[Speaker 5] (1:11:54 - 1:11:55)
an abatement

[Speaker 1] (1:11:55 - 1:11:56)
Abatement.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:56 - 1:11:57)
Yep. Related to their value.

[Speaker 5] (1:11:57 - 1:11:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:00 - 1:12:01)
We overvalued.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:03 - 1:12:04)
What's the criteria?

[Speaker 4] (1:12:05 - 1:12:05)
An abatement?

[Speaker 5] (1:12:07 - 1:12:13)
So it's unique to each property. So someone has to submit an application with their

[Speaker 5] (1:12:15 - 1:12:19)
explanation of why they believe their property was overvalued. So it's really kind

[Speaker 1] (1:12:19 - 1:12:19)
And

[Speaker 5] (1:12:19 - 1:12:19)
of

[Speaker 1] (1:12:19 - 1:12:24)
so the assessors, the board of assessors has the power to say okay, we're gonna give you whatever

[Speaker 2] (1:12:24 - 1:12:24)
If

[Speaker 1] (1:12:24 - 1:12:25)
off for

[Speaker 2] (1:12:25 - 1:12:25)
there

[Speaker 4] (1:12:25 - 1:12:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:25 - 1:12:30)
there's criteria that they have to meet that are dictated largely by one of the state

[Speaker 4] (1:12:30 - 1:12:31)
State statute, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:31 - 1:12:32)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:12:33 - 1:12:37)
And there's an a another level of appeal. So if assessors deny, I can go to the state appellate tax board.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:38 - 1:12:40)
And there's someone that checks that, all of that?

[Speaker 4] (1:12:40 - 1:12:41)
Yeah, like for example, if

[Speaker 1] (1:12:41 - 1:12:42)
Just curious.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:42 - 1:12:44)
your backyard was a cliffside and you couldn't build on it,

[Speaker 4] (1:12:44 - 1:12:49)
one might apply for an abatement, the assessor might come look at your backyard,

[Speaker 4] (1:12:50 - 1:12:53)
see that it's not buildable and then figure out.

[Speaker 4] (1:12:54 - 1:13:01)
measure some things, figure out what you're owed based on your undulgeable, un unuse and unbuildability on your lot size.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:01 - 1:13:20)
Or you could have also, you know, just you rebuilt your home and at the time you rebuild then the assessor says the kitchen is an excellent everything is listed as excellent condition and now you're ten years out you might say you know my kitchen's no longer excellent and then you file an abatement and then they lower that part of the formula and then you would get an abatement from that.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:21 - 1:13:24)
Well I understand how it works. I'm just wondering if anyone's checking the checkers.

[Speaker 4] (1:13:25 - 1:13:25)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:25 - 1:13:27)
That was more my question, and how

[Speaker 2] (1:13:27 - 1:13:27)
That do was

[Speaker 1] (1:13:27 - 1:13:29)
you I how do you figure out if

[Speaker 2] (1:13:29 - 1:13:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:29 - 1:13:31)
if that's accurate, right?

[Speaker 2] (1:13:31 - 1:13:34)
There was like kind of a side point to the what I was trying to get at earlier,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:34 - 1:13:34)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:34 - 1:13:36)
uh just one of many things can

[Speaker 1] (1:13:36 - 1:13:37)
Right. As

[Speaker 2] (1:13:37 - 1:13:37)
do a we lot

[Speaker 1] (1:13:37 - 1:13:37)
just

[Speaker 2] (1:13:37 - 1:13:37)
of changes.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:37 - 1:13:43)
accidentally saw two parcels that, you know, had a clerical error. How d how do we know that

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:13:45)
We're checking the checkers. That's

[Speaker 2] (1:13:45 - 1:13:46)
Never necessarily being

[Speaker 3] (1:13:46 - 1:13:46)
Checking

[Speaker 2] (1:13:46 - 1:13:47)
the people on

[Speaker 3] (1:13:47 - 1:13:47)
checkers

[Speaker 2] (1:13:47 - 1:13:47)
the board,

[Speaker 3] (1:13:47 - 1:13:47)
to I mean...

[Speaker 2] (1:13:47 - 1:13:48)
just or.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:48 - 1:13:50)
People that are approving abatements for X.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:51 - 1:13:51)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (1:13:52 - 1:13:52)
Who's?

[Speaker 1] (1:13:52 - 1:14:02)
Well, I can ac actually I can answer that as c as I was the liaison at the time and you had your three um Board of Assessors I think were very diligent and

[Speaker 2] (1:14:02 - 1:14:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:03 - 1:14:16)
worked very hard and the um assessor agent that worked for the town I think they were all really really diligent and and did double check things and I do know that legal counsel had to come in a number of times for a different

[Speaker 1] (1:14:16 - 1:14:32)
um larger complexes and legal i know a couple times would say okay you could just settle and i know the assessors pushed back and said no and they and the reason they said no is because of the data that they had and they saved the town a significant amount of money so

[Speaker 6] (1:14:32 - 1:14:35)
That board changes, right? It's not always the same people.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:35 - 1:14:36)
Right, it's an elected

[Speaker 6] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
board.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:14:36 - 1:14:37)
It's

[Speaker 1] (1:14:37 - 1:14:37)
it's

[Speaker 6] (1:14:37 - 1:14:37)
an elected

[Speaker 1] (1:14:37 - 1:14:39)
elected board. board but it doesn't really change

[Speaker 5] (1:14:40 - 1:14:40)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:40 - 1:14:40)
A composition

[Speaker 1] (1:14:40 - 1:14:40)
It's that

[Speaker 6] (1:14:40 - 1:14:41)
which

[Speaker 1] (1:14:41 - 1:14:41)
much.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:41 - 1:14:42)
changes though,

[Speaker 6] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:42 - 1:14:42)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:42 - 1:14:43)
The people that are elected?

[Speaker 2] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
And,

[Speaker 6] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
I'm just asking,

[Speaker 2] (1:14:44 - 1:14:45)
yeah, I'm sure it'll change.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:45 - 1:14:47)
is it various backgrounds of expertise?

[Speaker 5] (1:14:47 - 1:14:47)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:48 - 1:14:51)
I'm, I'm sure, I don't think there's any issue with the board or the people,

[Speaker 3] (1:14:51 - 1:14:52)
They're

[Speaker 2] (1:14:52 - 1:14:52)
it's

[Speaker 3] (1:14:52 - 1:14:53)
also the only elected

[Speaker 2] (1:14:53 - 1:14:53)
just the

[Speaker 3] (1:14:53 - 1:14:55)
process. board that is required to go through training.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:55 - 1:14:55)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:55 - 1:14:56)
The OER does training.

[Speaker 6] (1:14:57 - 1:14:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:14:57 - 1:15:00)
That is a requirement for them to be participating to the point

[Speaker 1] (1:15:00 - 1:15:00)
They have

[Speaker 3] (1:15:00 - 1:15:00)
that

[Speaker 1] (1:15:00 - 1:15:01)
to get certified.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:01 - 1:15:01)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:02 - 1:15:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:02 - 1:15:06)
Or pass, I don't know if it's actual certification, but they have to pass a test.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:07 - 1:15:08)
Huh?

[Speaker 2] (1:15:08 - 1:15:10)
No, but that's one of the reasons I was asking about just m

[Speaker 6] (1:15:10 - 1:15:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:10 - 1:15:12)
looking at the past results in audit

[Speaker 6] (1:15:12 - 1:15:12)
Oh. Right.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:12 - 1:15:15)
not for any malfeasance, just to

[Speaker 6] (1:15:15 - 1:15:15)
There's

[Speaker 2] (1:15:15 - 1:15:17)
make sure everything we have is accurate.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:17 - 1:15:18)
I don't know if there's a level of subjectivity

[Speaker 7] (1:15:18 - 1:15:18)
So it in

[Speaker 6] (1:15:18 - 1:15:19)
or not or.

[Speaker 7] (1:15:19 - 1:15:21)
your opinion are we still adequately stacked?

[Speaker 6] (1:15:22 - 1:15:22)
Mm,

[Speaker 7] (1:15:22 - 1:15:24)
We have a we have a part-time assessor,

[Speaker 2] (1:15:24 - 1:15:24)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:15:24 - 1:15:24)
huh?

[Speaker 7] (1:15:24 - 1:15:24)
right?

[Speaker 3] (1:15:24 - 1:15:27)
Yeah. I we still have there is

[Speaker 6] (1:15:27 - 1:15:27)
Job posting.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:27 - 1:15:32)
there is a job posting. There has been a job posting. I have had multiple conversations with a

[Speaker 3] (1:15:33 - 1:15:37)
regional partner that could potentially do something together. I've

[Speaker 7] (1:15:37 - 1:15:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:37 - 1:15:52)
talked to ones that currently have staff to see if there's something that we can do together, but there's a number of openings in the North Shore right now there are not candidates that are applying that are leaving the jobs that they're at for the salaries that we as individual communities are offering.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:52 - 1:15:54)
There are a handful,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:54 - 1:15:55)
Reading,

[Speaker 3] (1:15:55 - 1:15:57)
Wakefield, Linfield all work together.

[Speaker 3] (1:15:58 - 1:16:19)
where there's one chief assessor and staff in the individual communities, and then he's hosted in one community. But even that model he's retiring anticipated to be retiring soon. So the three of them are trying to figure out what's next because he brought that together in that case by you know working between two communities and there's still weaknesses to that as well because he's not physically there.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:19 - 1:16:28)
It's not a full, you know, it's not a part-time person that it's a full-time person thinking about all three communities at all times, but he's not physically in any one community full-time either.

[Speaker 6] (1:16:28 - 1:16:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:28 - 1:16:33)
So there's weaknesses to any model, but the candidate pool is

[Speaker 7] (1:16:33 - 1:16:33)
Lean.

[Speaker 3] (1:16:33 - 1:16:34)
tiny.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:34 - 1:16:37)
We're also we're also advertising for full-time right?

[Speaker 3] (1:16:37 - 1:16:37)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:38 - 1:16:38)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:16:38 - 1:16:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:38 - 1:16:42)
what about if we advertise for part-time because now you have a You lot of

[Speaker 6] (1:16:42 - 1:16:42)
did that.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:42 - 1:16:45)
right but what about if we continue to do that?

[Speaker 7] (1:16:46 - 1:16:48)
You want to have two part-time assessors?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:48 - 1:16:50)
We could have two or three part-time assessors.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:51 - 1:17:06)
I'm just saying open it up because you have multiple people retiring within the commonwealth and there's only a certain amount of hours they're allowed to work so if you can tap into that system I think that's an opportunity.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:08 - 1:17:09)
But that's actually not.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:09 - 1:17:10)
on this agenda here, so.

[Speaker 3] (1:17:11 - 1:17:11)
No.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:11 - 1:17:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:12 - 1:17:17)
I have a question about senior work-off. Yeah. Can you explain like so we were up nine thousand

[Speaker 4] (1:17:17 - 1:17:27)
Is there a cap to that? Can we cap that? Can any senior within the criteria obtain it? There's a limit to how much I think a household can obtain.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:27 - 1:17:28)
Could you explain that a little bit? Sorry.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:29 - 1:17:36)
Yep. So the program is limited in the sense that there's a limit a household can obtain off their property tax ballots.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:36 - 1:17:42)
They can work, they get credit equal to minimum wage, which is $15 an hour in Massachusetts currently.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:42 - 1:17:48)
And they can get up to I want to say twenty five hundred dollars off their tax bill based on how many

[Speaker 4] (1:17:48 - 1:17:48)
Per

[Speaker 5] (1:17:48 - 1:17:48)
hours

[Speaker 4] (1:17:48 - 1:17:48)
household.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:48 - 1:17:49)
they're working. Yes, per

[Speaker 4] (1:17:49 - 1:17:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:49 - 1:18:01)
household. Okay. Um they fill out an application and they get matched with departments that might have needs that meet their um qualifications. There is no um s

[Speaker 5] (1:18:01 - 1:18:06)
stealing on the programme on how much we're gonna allocate out of overlay to the programme,

[Speaker 4] (1:18:06 - 1:18:06)
But I'm I don't

[Speaker 5] (1:18:06 - 1:18:15)
going to the board of assessors meeting on the third to discuss with them kind of like the overlay results this year and different things that they may have an opinion on, that may be one of them.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:15 - 1:18:15)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:15 - 1:18:18)
Because the overlay is not a budgeted uh

[Speaker 5] (1:18:19 - 1:18:21)
account right it's not an appropriation that goes

[Speaker 4] (1:18:21 - 1:18:21)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:21 - 1:18:21)
to town meeting

[Speaker 3] (1:18:21 - 1:18:22)
Interesting.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:22 - 1:18:31)
it's kind of not something we could address through the budget process but I think a policy would make sense and I actually think it might make sense to start with them and get their thoughts on it so that's where I'm where I'm headed.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:31 - 1:18:43)
I just think that's a population that's growing in town, right? And as more people take advantage, they talk to their friends and then they come and take advantage and it's great because it's like a basically payment in lieu of taxes and we still get a um

[Speaker 1] (1:18:43 - 1:18:45)
We get a well we get a whole labor f

[Speaker 1] (1:18:45 - 1:18:45)
Of

[Speaker 3] (1:18:45 - 1:18:45)
I yeah

[Speaker 1] (1:18:45 - 1:18:45)
course.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:45 - 1:18:51)
I I just want to caution thinking about a cap we derive a significant benefit the way

[Speaker 4] (1:18:51 - 1:18:51)
No, I'm saying

[Speaker 3] (1:18:51 - 1:18:51)
it works

[Speaker 4] (1:18:51 - 1:18:52)
don't

[Speaker 3] (1:18:52 - 1:18:52)
sometimes.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:52 - 1:18:53)
cap it. But I'm

[Speaker 3] (1:18:53 - 1:18:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:53 - 1:18:56)
just saying how do we get how do we better forecast that we don't cap it.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:56 - 1:18:57)
It's been. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:18:57 - 1:18:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:57 - 1:18:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:18:57 - 1:18:57)
And like

[Speaker 4] (1:18:57 - 1:19:04)
I don't want it capped. I think if you could work and you want to help us in some way and you want to give back to the community, we'd be happy to continue

[Speaker 2] (1:19:04 - 1:19:04)
I'm sure

[Speaker 4] (1:19:04 - 1:19:04)
to subsidize

[Speaker 2] (1:19:04 - 1:19:05)
there's a

[Speaker 4] (1:19:05 - 1:19:07)
your that like not subsidized, but yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:07 - 1:19:10)
I want to highlight the way that we do it here also like actually engages

[Speaker 4] (1:19:11 - 1:19:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:11 - 1:19:15)
skills that in other communities it's just like you're a greeter at the front door like

[Speaker 4] (1:19:15 - 1:19:15)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:15 - 1:19:24)
and it's it ends up being someone reading and saying hello and helping you find some place whereas like there are real skills put to work that we're very fortunate to have

[Speaker 2] (1:19:26 - 1:19:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:26 - 1:19:26)
you

[Speaker 3] (1:19:26 - 1:19:26)
I'm

[Speaker 1] (1:19:26 - 1:19:26)
were going

[Speaker 3] (1:19:26 - 1:19:33)
sure there's a big economic benefit for us too rather than having to go out to the market and hire somebody. I mean this is great on so many different levels.

[Speaker 4] (1:19:33 - 1:19:43)
Who manages the work force itself, that senior work-off work force? Is that in your Yes. bucket? Okay. So you can make the decision in terms of

[Speaker 4] (1:19:44 - 1:19:47)
who you need how much you h how much help you need, you can allocate whatever it is.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:47 - 1:19:48)
Yeah, I mean primarily

[Speaker 5] (1:19:48 - 1:19:48)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:48 - 1:19:55)
we work with department heads. And so when we've had needs where someone's out for an extended period because of something going on in their family,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:55 - 1:20:00)
we might have two work offs that split that time, you know, that are doing administrative tasks at some I'm point.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:00 - 1:20:03)
not I'm not questioning the decision, I'm just n I'm just trying to understand from the management perspective

[Speaker 1] (1:20:03 - 1:20:04)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:04 - 1:20:05)
that's in your wheelhouse.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:05 - 1:20:05)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:05 - 1:20:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
We don't

[Speaker 1] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
In

[Speaker 6] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
turn

[Speaker 1] (1:20:06 - 1:20:06)
concert

[Speaker 6] (1:20:06 - 1:20:07)
if

[Speaker 1] (1:20:07 - 1:20:07)
with department heads, yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:07 - 1:20:08)
somebody's available.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:08 - 1:20:16)
to work and the work exists we let anybody work like do we turn people away we don't turn people away okay

[Speaker 1] (1:20:16 - 1:20:17)
Not that I can think of.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:17 - 1:20:18)
just want to make sure

[Speaker 4] (1:20:19 - 1:20:22)
So because we don't budget for it, right,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:22 - 1:20:27)
there is still some level of control within the town administrator's office.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:28 - 1:20:32)
If we chose to exercise in a way that the sole goal is limiting.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:33 - 1:20:34)
The exemption, yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:35 - 1:20:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:36 - 1:20:42)
And what I'm arguing is that I don't think that's a good idea based on what we the benefit we derive from it right now.

[Speaker 4] (1:20:42 - 1:20:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:20:42 - 1:20:43)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:43 - 1:20:49)
If it turned into we don't have things, we're not engaging people in a way that uses the skills and expertise that they've developed over a career,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:49 - 1:20:53)
you know, then I would absolutely agree we should look at it that way.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:53 - 1:20:59)
It is a well-functioning benefit to the community right now, both for the taxpayer

[Speaker 1] (1:21:00 - 1:21:05)
as needing or seeking an exemption and a taxpayer that is funding general government operations.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:06 - 1:21:06)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:06 - 1:21:08)
so but in the budget process,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:08 - 1:21:11)
right, as we're looking for the gazintas and the gazatas,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:11 - 1:21:13)
how do we determine,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:21:13 - 1:21:14)
Is that Dr.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:14 - 1:21:14)
Seuss?

[Speaker 3] (1:21:14 - 1:21:15)
I was going to say, what?

[Speaker 4] (1:21:15 - 1:21:16)
I don't know, that's a term.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:17 - 1:21:18)
I was curious.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:18 - 1:21:19)
Comes in, what comes,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:19 - 1:21:20)
you know.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:20 - 1:21:21)
Yes, got it.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:22 - 1:21:23)
How do, how do.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:24 - 1:21:39)
you accommodate to know from one year to the next the budget for $91,000 or next year is $150,000 or the next year is $50,000. I mean there's that wide variance. I'm just trying to understand what the controls are and what the mechanism is to when we're looking at the budget and we're trying to make choices and decisions.

[Speaker 4] (1:21:41 - 1:21:46)
Why is it not budgeted? And is it left to the discretion of the assessors to make that recommendation or to

[Speaker 1] (1:21:46 - 1:21:46)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:21:46 - 1:21:46)
the select

[Speaker 1] (1:21:46 - 1:21:46)
it's like

[Speaker 4] (1:21:46 - 1:21:46)
board?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:46 - 1:21:49)
the statutory exemptions that we've adopted.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:50 - 1:22:02)
If more visually impaired folks, more s more seniors, more veterans moved to town, it is impacted by those seeking the exemption.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:02 - 1:22:04)
I'm talking about the work off specifically.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:04 - 1:22:13)
It's an exemption ultimately. So if if the policy direction from the board is that you would like fewer opportunities to seek that exemption.

[Speaker 7] (1:22:13 - 1:22:14)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:14 - 1:22:40)
then that would be how we would go about looking for how do we limit it. Right now, we're if it's a nine thousand dollar variance then we need to make sure that we're thinking about it in terms of the overlay and certainly when we talk to the assessors does the overlay need to be different and you know it's a that's something communities don't necessarily think about when they do adopt the statutory exemptions and the increases where things will quite literally double in a single year.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:40 - 1:22:51)
Or if you talk about a circuit breaker tax exemption, if you don't allow the ability for the select board in a case like that to set what the match is, you could again have this have a big one year jump.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:52 - 1:22:54)
It's part of the overall,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:54 - 1:22:55)
it's an exemption,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:55 - 1:22:59)
it falls into the overlay, we can manage as best as possible.

[Speaker 4] (1:22:59 - 1:23:00)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:01 - 1:23:06)
But as I said, I think the benefit outweighs trying to manage to a $9,000.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:07 - 1:23:07)
Very

[Speaker 1] (1:23:07 - 1:23:07)
Delta.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:07 - 1:23:07)
nice.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:08 - 1:23:08)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:10 - 1:23:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:12 - 1:23:17)
I'm saying advertise more, get more people in. I think it's a great benefit. I think it's a benefit to the taxpayer itself,

[Speaker 7] (1:23:18 - 1:23:22)
like it just provides community and other things that you know seniors need to be getting anyways,

[Speaker 7] (1:23:22 - 1:23:23)
which is fantastic.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:24 - 1:23:26)
Is it I don't have a problem with that.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
No,

[Speaker 4] (1:23:26 - 1:23:26)
This

[Speaker 7] (1:23:26 - 1:23:27)
no, I'm not saying you do.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:27 - 1:23:39)
No, I'm I don't but what I what I do have issues with is that when we let's say have to cut back summer help for kids that will be way also making fifteen dollars an hour.

[Speaker 9] (1:23:39 - 1:23:40)
It's totally different.

[Speaker 4] (1:23:41 - 1:23:43)
It's totally different. It's still money spent or or

[Speaker 10] (1:23:43 - 1:23:43)
he's i Ray

[Speaker 4] (1:23:43 - 1:23:44)
or

[Speaker 10] (1:23:44 - 1:23:44)
was trying

[Speaker 4] (1:23:44 - 1:23:44)
accredited.

[Speaker 10] (1:23:44 - 1:23:46)
to say that it's unab unaccounted for money

[Speaker 1] (1:23:46 - 1:23:47)
It's just a

[Speaker 10] (1:23:47 - 1:23:47)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:47 - 1:23:47)
budget.

[Speaker 10] (1:23:47 - 1:23:47)
It's it's

[Speaker 1] (1:23:47 - 1:23:48)
It's unbudgeted budgeted right?

[Speaker 10] (1:23:48 - 1:24:01)
money. So if it it skyrockets by twenty grand, right, where we where we filling that hole? That's what he's saying. It's not project you're not projecting it. So you have no way to know what it's gonna be year to year, right? That's I think what you're saying?

[Speaker 1] (1:24:01 - 1:24:01)
True.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:01 - 1:24:06)
Well yeah, that seems to be one of the control uh the ability to control, not that I'm

[Speaker 4] (1:24:05 - 1:24:06)
I encourage

[Speaker 10] (1:24:06 - 1:24:07)
Or they're trying

[Speaker 4] (1:24:07 - 1:24:07)
people to to

[Speaker 10] (1:24:07 - 1:24:07)
control

[Speaker 4] (1:24:07 - 1:24:08)
do that,

[Speaker 10] (1:24:08 - 1:24:08)
it,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:08 - 1:24:08)
right?

[Speaker 10] (1:24:08 - 1:24:08)
but you're

[Speaker 4] (1:24:08 - 1:24:09)
But at the same

[Speaker 10] (1:24:09 - 1:24:09)
saying it's

[Speaker 4] (1:24:09 - 1:24:09)
time,

[Speaker 10] (1:24:09 - 1:24:09)
a trap.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:09 - 1:24:10)
we talk about, you know,

[Speaker 4] (1:24:11 - 1:24:17)
what's the difference of $10,000 here and there. We just had an argument a month ago about every dollar counts,

[Speaker 10] (1:24:17 - 1:24:17)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:17 - 1:24:17)
right?

[Speaker 4] (1:24:17 - 1:24:17)
So what

[Speaker 1] (1:24:17 - 1:24:18)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:18 - 1:24:26)
I'm trying to understand is when we are actively cutting back services, let's say at the DBTW for the summer help,

[Speaker 10] (1:24:26 - 1:24:27)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:27 - 1:24:32)
but we're encouraging people at the same time to come in through this other entrance.

[Speaker 4] (1:24:34 - 1:24:36)
that we're still effectively paying for through the abatements.

[Speaker 10] (1:24:38 - 1:24:40)
It's an inequity is what you're saying right

[Speaker 4] (1:24:40 - 1:24:47)
Not necessarily is an inequity or not. It's just not controlled, and it's like we're picking one to pay the other.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:47 - 1:24:49)
It's not taking one to pay the other.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:49 - 1:24:52)
This is an exemption that is available to the community,

[Speaker 1] (1:24:52 - 1:24:55)
same as the other ones that have been adopted by the community.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:55 - 1:24:58)
If you would like us to limit it, we can.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:59 - 1:25:19)
And so we can say that there is a top an upper limit that we will not go beyond, and we don't offer it or we limit the number of hours that someone can make, or we lower the amount that someone could um you know put towards gain as an exemption to put towards their property taxes. It it is an offered exemption, so it's not the same as

[Speaker 10] (1:25:19 - 1:25:19)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:19 - 1:25:22)
us saying our budgeted number for the year

[Speaker 1] (1:25:23 - 1:25:29)
needs to be closed by $10,000, and there's a $10,000 expense which is seasonal help in the summer.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:29 - 1:25:37)
So let's have a debate about whether or not we want that priority to be funded or another priority to be funded among the things that are funded within the operating budget.

[Speaker 10] (1:25:38 - 1:25:38)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:25:38 - 1:25:38)
It's

[Speaker 10] (1:25:38 - 1:25:38)
that's

[Speaker 1] (1:25:38 - 1:25:38)
not

[Speaker 10] (1:25:38 - 1:25:39)
a different

[Speaker 1] (1:25:39 - 1:25:39)
apples to apples.

[Speaker 10] (1:25:39 - 1:25:40)
sense an exemption.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:40 - 1:25:40)
I

[Speaker 10] (1:25:40 - 1:25:41)
That's the key piece.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:42 - 1:25:43)
It's reducing what we collect.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:44 - 1:25:45)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:45 - 1:25:48)
One is spending, the other is reducing what we collect.

[Speaker 4] (1:25:48 - 1:25:58)
So if we reduce what we collect by a certain overage amount as a result of that, it still affects the final bottom line number of how much free cash we have and how much

[Speaker 1] (1:25:58 - 1:25:58)
But

[Speaker 4] (1:25:58 - 1:25:59)
we won't spend for the next

[Speaker 1] (1:25:59 - 1:25:59)
what

[Speaker 4] (1:25:59 - 1:25:59)
year.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:59 - 1:25:59)
we're talking

[Speaker 7] (1:25:59 - 1:26:00)
You're rubbing?

[Speaker 1] (1:26:00 - 1:26:07)
but what we're talking about is one is what we're passing for anticipated expenditures, the other one we're talking about what we're anticipating for income.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:09 - 1:26:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:10 - 1:26:11)
We vote on expenditures,

[Speaker 4] (1:26:11 - 1:26:11)
I had two sides

[Speaker 1] (1:26:11 - 1:26:11)
and we

[Speaker 4] (1:26:11 - 1:26:12)
of set one coin.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:12 - 1:26:14)
the but they're different processes that we engage

[Speaker 4] (1:26:14 - 1:26:15)
I appreciate

[Speaker 1] (1:26:15 - 1:26:15)
in

[Speaker 4] (1:26:15 - 1:26:15)
that.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:15 - 1:26:15)
as a community.

[Speaker 4] (1:26:15 - 1:26:17)
I do appreciate that.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:17 - 1:26:29)
One is the adoption of the budget, the other is setting of the tax rate in the anticipated levy and what we're what we think is coming in and what we all agree is going to be the pie from which we spend to fund the the budget.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:29 - 1:26:31)
We take this into account when we

[Speaker 7] (1:26:32 - 1:26:39)
Think about, like, yes, we have taxes we are charging, but then do we take that into account in taxes received back?

[Speaker 7] (1:26:41 - 1:26:42)
Payments for those taxes.

[Speaker 11] (1:26:42 - 1:26:49)
Yes. So in terms of how this and other exemptions and abatements the assessor's award and how that affects the budgetary

[Speaker 7] (1:26:49 - 1:26:50)
We do forecast

[Speaker 11] (1:26:50 - 1:26:50)
process.

[Speaker 7] (1:26:50 - 1:26:51)
that

[Speaker 11] (1:26:51 - 1:26:51)
We

[Speaker 7] (1:26:51 - 1:26:51)
within

[Speaker 11] (1:26:51 - 1:26:51)
do forecast

[Speaker 7] (1:26:51 - 1:26:52)
the budget,

[Speaker 11] (1:26:52 - 1:26:52)
it

[Speaker 7] (1:26:52 - 1:26:52)
right. Yes.

[Speaker 11] (1:26:52 - 1:27:02)
as a total number and overlay. So if you looked at the proposed budget this year there was $300,000 proposed to be added to the overlay account. Obviously we did not anticipate to be

[Speaker 11] (1:27:03 - 1:27:05)
in this position.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:06 - 1:27:06)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:27:06 - 1:27:08)
When you say this year, do you mean FY26

[Speaker 11] (1:27:08 - 1:27:08)
27.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:08 - 1:27:08)
or FY27?

[Speaker 7] (1:27:08 - 1:27:09)
27.

[Speaker 1] (1:27:09 - 1:27:10)
Okay, I just want to be clear.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:10 - 1:27:10)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:10 - 1:27:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:10 - 1:27:18)
And that was increased $50,000 from the prior year in anticipation of some increase in the HEROES Act related changes.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:18 - 1:27:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:18 - 1:27:24)
Obviously that's exceeded $50,000 now that we have one year of historical we can point to.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:24 - 1:27:27)
But when we're computing our levy and using that to build the budget,

[Speaker 11] (1:27:28 - 1:27:30)
it includes an amount for overlay each year.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:30 - 1:27:30)
So I guess

[Speaker 11] (1:27:30 - 1:27:33)
Because that's the point of forecasting,

[Speaker 11] (1:27:33 - 1:27:34)
if

[Speaker 4] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:34 - 1:27:34)
you will.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:34 - 1:27:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:35 - 1:27:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:35 - 1:27:38)
Okay. That I think answers my question

[Speaker 7] (1:27:38 - 1:27:38)
Okay, we

[Speaker 4] (1:27:38 - 1:27:38)
more get closely.

[Speaker 7] (1:27:38 - 1:27:38)
through.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:38 - 1:27:39)
Go and

[Speaker 7] (1:27:39 - 1:27:39)
I think we get

[Speaker 4] (1:27:39 - 1:27:39)
we

[Speaker 7] (1:27:39 - 1:27:39)
through

[Speaker 4] (1:27:39 - 1:27:39)
should

[Speaker 7] (1:27:39 - 1:27:41)
the one, half dozen on the other, Wayne. I think we get there.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:41 - 1:27:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:43 - 1:27:43)
There's some level

[Speaker 7] (1:27:43 - 1:27:44)
There's

[Speaker 4] (1:27:44 - 1:27:44)
of forecast

[Speaker 7] (1:27:44 - 1:27:47)
some level and of forecasting which appreciates that this is happening.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:47 - 1:27:47)
Exactly.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:48 - 1:27:48)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:27:49 - 1:27:50)
Thank you.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:50 - 1:27:51)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:53 - 1:27:53)
Next.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:54 - 1:27:54)
Um.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:55 - 1:27:56)
COVID.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:56 - 1:27:58)
COVID. Let's talk about COVID.

[Speaker 10] (1:27:58 - 1:27:58)
Hmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:27:59 - 1:28:10)
So there is a deficit on our balance sheet related to emergency pandemic expenditures that occurred years ago, because we're going back to 21-22.

[Speaker 11] (1:28:11 - 1:28:21)
And this deficit comes about because the rules related to the pandemic funds authorized by Congress changed multiple times throughout the pandemic.

[Speaker 11] (1:28:22 - 1:28:29)
And so there were certain expenditures that were ultimately disallowed under the CARES Act and FEMA emergency relief.

[Speaker 11] (1:28:30 - 1:28:32)
There were two different funding sources for these things.

[Speaker 11] (1:28:33 - 1:28:36)
And those costs were primarily related to

[Speaker 11] (1:28:36 - 1:29:03)
um the testing clinics which were quite costly um so it's not something that we're alone in there were 140 communities in Massachusetts roughly that had some kind of cares and FEMA related deficit um and the DoR has provided exemptions through 26 to say you don't need to fund these you can carry them on your balance sheet it won't

[Speaker 11] (1:29:03 - 1:29:12)
it won't reduce your free cash and all that, so it hasn't really become an issue until now we're in twenty seven and the D_O_R_ is saying these things need to be firmed up.

[Speaker 10] (1:29:13 - 1:29:19)
But we our our financial director was working very close

[Speaker 2] (1:29:25 - 1:29:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:25 - 1:29:30)
of those laws. So you know this is not a short amount of money, two hundred four

[Speaker 3] (1:29:30 - 1:29:31)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31)
K_

[Speaker 3] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31)
it's two hundred

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:31)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:29:31 - 1:29:32)
three hundred four thousand

[Speaker 1] (1:29:32 - 1:29:32)
I

[Speaker 2] (1:29:32 - 1:29:33)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:29:33 - 1:29:33)
pennies.

[Speaker 4] (1:29:33 - 1:29:33)
I just missed a couple pennies.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:33 - 1:29:37)
And how did I

[Speaker 1] (1:29:37 - 1:29:40)
You know, is this because the state gave us the

[Speaker 5] (1:29:40 - 1:29:40)
Bad advice.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:40 - 1:29:42)
bad advice or?

[Speaker 6] (1:29:43 - 1:29:50)
I think it's related to the rules for each bucket of money. There was the CARES Act funding and there was the FEMA funding,

[Speaker 6] (1:29:51 - 1:29:55)
and the rules changed multiple times throughout the pandemic.

[Speaker 6] (1:29:55 - 1:29:59)
Obviously, we were making expenditures under emergency circumstances.

[Speaker 6] (1:29:59 - 1:30:00)
We had to do...

[Speaker 6] (1:30:01 - 1:30:06)
you know, t testing, te I mean, I don't even wanna go back there and list

[Speaker 1] (1:30:06 - 1:30:06)
all Oh,

[Speaker 6] (1:30:06 - 1:30:07)
the things we had to do,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:07 - 1:30:08)
I bet you can't really speak

[Speaker 6] (1:30:08 - 1:30:21)
there were to a lot of things that had to be done right away and seemed appropriate within the rules, and when it all shaped out two years later and everything was firmed up, it it it wasn't allowable, um and

[Speaker 6] (1:30:22 - 1:30:37)
There was opportunities to resubmit, you know, if you submitted expenditures to FEMA and they declined them, you could resubmit them under the CARES Act or vice versa. So there was a lot of like, you know, you can't double dip obviously, but you need to, you know, if you're declined,

[Speaker 6] (1:30:37 - 1:30:44)
you would go to the next agency and try and get that funding approved for it. But it was a lot, it was very back and forth. And so.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:44 - 1:30:46)
Can you possibly explain,

[Speaker 7] (1:30:46 - 1:30:46)
I mean we're looking at

[Speaker 7] (1:30:47 - 1:30:50)
Five years ago, almost six years ago at this point.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:50 - 1:30:52)
Why are we seeing this now?

[Speaker 8] (1:30:53 - 1:30:55)
We could carry it on our balance sheet

[Speaker 1] (1:30:55 - 1:30:55)
Up

[Speaker 8] (1:30:55 - 1:30:55)
till 26.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:55 - 1:30:56)
to 2026.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:56 - 1:30:56)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:30:56 - 1:30:59)
Has this been already been carried on our balance sheet? This has been discussed in years before, I

[Speaker 1] (1:30:59 - 1:30:59)
That

[Speaker 7] (1:30:59 - 1:31:00)
guess, as is a point

[Speaker 1] (1:31:00 - 1:31:00)
correct.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:00 - 1:31:00)
of...

[Speaker 8] (1:31:00 - 1:31:01)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:01 - 1:31:01)
No, never

[Speaker 8] (1:31:01 - 1:31:02)
No,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:02 - 1:31:02)
discussed

[Speaker 8] (1:31:02 - 1:31:02)
it has not.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:02 - 1:31:04)
it, but we've carried it probably that long.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:04 - 1:31:06)
Yeah, so this has existed since 23.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:07 - 1:31:09)
We had a deficit on our balance sheet. Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:09 - 1:31:09)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:09 - 1:31:12)
So from 2023 to now,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:12 - 1:31:17)
it existed. What did not reduce our free cash, so we didn't have that.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:19 - 1:31:21)
I guess, penalty from DOR.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:21 - 1:31:31)
So, so someone in your position knew about this since 2023 and this is the first time that we're hearing about it. Is that safe to say?

[Speaker 6] (1:31:32 - 1:31:36)
I can't say for certain that it wasn't spoken about previously, you know, over the past

[Speaker 8] (1:31:36 - 1:31:36)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:36 - 1:31:37)
four years,

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
But we've

[Speaker 6] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
but

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
never

[Speaker 8] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
publicly

[Speaker 1] (1:31:37 - 1:31:37)
spoken about

[Speaker 8] (1:31:37 - 1:31:38)
to this

[Speaker 1] (1:31:38 - 1:31:38)
here.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:38 - 1:31:39)
board. I have not yet, but

[Speaker 1] (1:31:39 - 1:31:40)
As

[Speaker 8] (1:31:40 - 1:31:40)
that's not

[Speaker 1] (1:31:40 - 1:31:40)
long as we've

[Speaker 8] (1:31:40 - 1:31:40)
our project.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:40 - 1:31:41)
been here.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:42 - 1:31:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:42 - 1:31:43)
Not

[Speaker 7] (1:31:43 - 1:31:43)
Is

[Speaker 1] (1:31:43 - 1:31:43)
certainly

[Speaker 7] (1:31:43 - 1:31:44)
that discussed in

[Speaker 1] (1:31:44 - 1:31:44)
not you.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:44 - 1:31:44)
FinCom?

[Speaker 1] (1:31:44 - 1:31:45)
I know that.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:45 - 1:31:48)
Yeah, but it was important for me to bring it to you.

[Speaker 8] (1:31:48 - 1:31:48)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:48 - 1:31:48)
Obviously,

[Speaker 8] (1:31:48 - 1:31:48)
it is.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:48 - 1:31:49)
it needs

[Speaker 1] (1:31:49 - 1:31:49)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:31:49 - 1:31:49)
to be addressed.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:49 - 1:31:50)
appreciate

[Speaker 7] (1:31:50 - 1:31:50)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:31:50 - 1:31:54)
that. No, but we we discussed we discussed ARPA money ad nauseum.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:54 - 1:31:55)
This is not ARPA.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:55 - 1:31:56)
This is not ARPA money

[Speaker 6] (1:31:56 - 1:31:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:31:57 - 1:31:57)
right

[Speaker 7] (1:31:57 - 1:31:59)
How are their talents managing this?

[Speaker 7] (1:32:01 - 1:32:02)
140 talents you said?

[Speaker 6] (1:32:02 - 1:32:02)
So.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:03 - 1:32:10)
Since then, towns have funded this different ways. So the DoD is requiring you to, if you take no action,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:10 - 1:32:12)
fund this through your tax levy this year in

[Speaker 8] (1:32:12 - 1:32:12)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:12 - 1:32:13)
FY27.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:14 - 1:32:18)
You can also fund this through free cash or other available funds. Any,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:19 - 1:32:20)
you know, with an appropriation. So,

[Speaker 7] (1:32:20 - 1:32:26)
Has anyone chosen to file suit against either the state or the federal government? Is there any?

[Speaker 6] (1:32:26 - 1:32:27)
maybe larger,

[Speaker 6] (1:32:27 - 1:32:30)
you know, cities have done that, but

[Speaker 6] (1:32:31 - 1:32:32)
I couldn't name one.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:32 - 1:32:41)
There's no class action creating a class of multiple different towns sharing resources to go? I mean, is there anything?

[Speaker 9] (1:32:41 - 1:32:47)
So the the argument would be to argue against DOR's change in regulation or guidance,

[Speaker 9] (1:32:47 - 1:32:47)
whatever.

[Speaker 7] (1:32:47 - 1:32:49)
In other words, I mean, do we, is

[Speaker 1] (1:32:49 - 1:32:49)
There

[Speaker 7] (1:32:49 - 1:32:49)
there, do

[Speaker 1] (1:32:49 - 1:32:49)
misinformation?

[Speaker 7] (1:32:49 - 1:32:54)
we have any case, is my question. I don't want to just like give up. I mean, do we have a case?

[Speaker 8] (1:32:54 - 1:32:56)
Probably it would cost us more than $204

[Speaker 1] (1:32:56 - 1:32:56)
Of course it would.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:56 - 1:32:57)
,000

[Speaker 1] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57)
Of course

[Speaker 8] (1:32:57 - 1:32:57)
to

[Speaker 1] (1:32:57 - 1:32:58)
it would.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:58 - 1:32:58)
litigate.

[Speaker 8] (1:32:58 - 1:33:11)
to litigate that type of thing and if so if every 140 of all the 140 or even 100 towns are below a certain threshold they're going to be thinking the same thing which is this is more expensive to litigate than it is to pay it.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:11 - 1:33:12)
Individually it is.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:12 - 1:33:12)
Of course. Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:12 - 1:33:14)
Yeah, but as a class would it be

[Speaker 8] (1:33:14 - 1:33:16)
S I mean it's still very costly.

[Speaker 7] (1:33:17 - 1:33:17)
For sure.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:17 - 1:33:17)
And

[Speaker 8] (1:33:17 - 1:33:18)
Holy order

[Speaker 6] (1:33:18 - 1:33:22)
this would be, you know, the the rules that change were at the federal level. So this would be.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:23 - 1:33:24)
You'd be dealing with those

[Speaker 1] (1:33:24 - 1:33:24)
And part

[Speaker 6] (1:33:24 - 1:33:24)
issues.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:24 - 1:33:29)
of this could very well have been our error, right? We're assuming it's on the part of the state or federal government.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:29 - 1:33:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:29 - 1:33:36)
But it could they could very well turn around and say, well, you people chose to spend your money on these things that weren't applicable.

[Speaker 6] (1:33:36 - 1:33:37)
I'm sure that would be their

[Speaker 1] (1:33:37 - 1:33:37)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (1:33:37 - 1:33:37)
position.

[Speaker 1] (1:33:37 - 1:33:38)
of course it I would.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:38 - 1:33:43)
mean I might take your point if it wasn't a hundred and forty different communities that all seem to

[Speaker 1] (1:33:43 - 1:33:43)
171.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:43 - 1:33:43)
be landing in this

[Speaker 1] (1:33:43 - 1:33:47)
210 did it okay. But y you know, I mean

[Speaker 10] (1:33:47 - 1:33:48)
I mean th it's

[Speaker 1] (1:33:48 - 1:33:49)
less than 30 percent.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:49 - 1:33:49)
not

[Speaker 10] (1:33:49 - 1:33:51)
Statute changed on this a million times.

[Speaker 8] (1:33:51 - 1:33:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:51 - 1:33:52)
Regulation changed

[Speaker 1] (1:33:52 - 1:33:52)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:52 - 1:33:53)
on this a million times. So it

[Speaker 1] (1:33:53 - 1:33:54)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:54 - 1:33:58)
this is surprising, but is it surprising that this could happen

[Speaker 8] (1:33:58 - 1:33:58)
Something that

[Speaker 10] (1:33:58 - 1:33:58)
in theory?

[Speaker 1] (1:33:58 - 1:34:00)
we know. Not at all.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:00 - 1:34:00)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:00 - 1:34:01)
No.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:01 - 1:34:02)
On either side.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:02 - 1:34:03)
Re exactly, on either

[Speaker 8] (1:34:03 - 1:34:04)
There

[Speaker 10] (1:34:04 - 1:34:04)
side.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:04 - 1:34:07)
was a period of time by which we could um like

[Speaker 8] (1:34:09 - 1:34:13)
appeal their feelings? Like where we could sh is there anything like that available?

[Speaker 6] (1:34:13 - 1:34:15)
If you get...

[Speaker 6] (1:34:16 - 1:34:22)
You know, just like I I would think with any grant you can you can appeal if you submit an expense and it's declined, you

[Speaker 1] (1:34:22 - 1:34:22)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:22 - 1:34:24)
know, at first pass you would appeal it and

[Speaker 8] (1:34:24 - 1:34:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:24 - 1:34:26)
it's my understanding that was done with

[Speaker 8] (1:34:26 - 1:34:26)
That FEMA was done and and we're still,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:26 - 1:34:27)
the CARES Act.

[Speaker 8] (1:34:27 - 1:34:27)
okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:27 - 1:34:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:28 - 1:34:29)
Do we know what

[Speaker 1] (1:34:29 - 1:34:32)
What specifically is being, you know,

[Speaker 1] (1:34:32 - 1:34:33)
is

[Speaker 8] (1:34:33 - 1:34:34)
So it was related to test testing.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:34 - 1:34:37)
denied, so to speak? All of it was testing or was it

[Speaker 6] (1:34:37 - 1:34:39)
Yeah, my understanding is the majority,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:39 - 1:34:39)
almost

[Speaker 1] (1:34:39 - 1:34:40)
That seems so strange.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:40 - 1:34:41)
all of that was testing.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:41 - 1:34:43)
And that was one of the most costly things

[Speaker 1] (1:34:43 - 1:34:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:34:43 - 1:34:44)
we had to

[Speaker 1] (1:34:44 - 1:34:44)
right.

[Speaker 6] (1:34:44 - 1:34:48)
pivot and spend money on ambulatory testing. We have the ambulance companies out, so.

[Speaker 1] (1:34:49 - 1:34:49)
Mm.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:49 - 1:34:57)
So when we – was there any point, because this went on for over a year, was there any point where we had notification that we were potentially going to be denied?

[Speaker 10] (1:34:57 - 1:35:01)
I mean, or were we going along knowing that there was low risk all along?

[Speaker 6] (1:35:04 - 1:35:07)
I don't think it was a low-risk situation at all. I mean, we were in the pandemic and

[Speaker 1] (1:35:07 - 1:35:07)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:07 - 1:35:10)
this funding was just being thrown at us and we

[Speaker 1] (1:35:10 - 1:35:10)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:10 - 1:35:13)
didn't even know what we needed to spend it on right when it started.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:13 - 1:35:14)
Change of federal administration.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:15 - 1:35:16)
Yeah, so that was definitely

[Speaker 9] (1:35:16 - 1:35:16)
Yeah, there

[Speaker 6] (1:35:16 - 1:35:17)
a

[Speaker 9] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
was a

[Speaker 6] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
lot

[Speaker 9] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
change.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
going on.

[Speaker 9] (1:35:17 - 1:35:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:17 - 1:35:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:18 - 1:35:21)
But, you know, I don't have a timeline of exactly like if this and that,

[Speaker 6] (1:35:21 - 1:35:23)
you know, from the time we got the money, but.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:23 - 1:35:27)
But all that, or the majority of that $204,444.

[Speaker 11] (1:35:28 - 1:35:30)
was from some type of

[Speaker 6] (1:35:30 - 1:35:30)
Testing.

[Speaker 11] (1:35:30 - 1:35:32)
expenditure to do with COVID testing.

[Speaker 6] (1:35:32 - 1:35:33)
Correct. Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (1:35:34 - 1:35:34)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (1:35:34 - 1:35:37)
And we had open COVID testing where anybody could come in and

[Speaker 11] (1:35:38 - 1:35:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:38 - 1:35:41)
With the assumption that we were gonna be reimbursed by, I

[Speaker 1] (1:35:41 - 1:35:42)
Federal health every.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:42 - 1:35:43)
don't know, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:43 - 1:35:48)
I just wonder why COVID testing would not be something that it doesn't make any sense to me.

[Speaker 1] (1:35:49 - 1:35:51)
that that category would be denied.

[Speaker 8] (1:35:51 - 1:35:54)
I mean maybe we reached a threshold, maybe it was the amount of time we were holding

[Speaker 11] (1:35:54 - 1:35:54)
That's

[Speaker 8] (1:35:54 - 1:36:00)
it, maybe was the the vendors we used, there could be a million me reasons why within the statute, so

[Speaker 1] (1:36:00 - 1:36:00)
Mmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:36:00 - 1:36:03)
It could be more process than policy.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:03 - 1:36:04)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:05 - 1:36:05)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:05 - 1:36:07)
And we used the wrong material.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:07 - 1:36:09)
Code or something or whatever.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:09 - 1:36:10)
So is it

[Speaker 8] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
You're

[Speaker 10] (1:36:10 - 1:36:10)
is it

[Speaker 8] (1:36:10 - 1:36:11)
up the above your nose, yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:11 - 1:36:15)
is it the the position from town administrator's office that we pay this or that we

[Speaker 10] (1:36:16 - 1:36:24)
We see no possible recovery pushing back with other towns.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:24 - 1:36:27)
DOR will just take it out of the free cash.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:27 - 1:36:28)
Like in the end they can they

[Speaker 1] (1:36:28 - 1:36:29)
Do that.

[Speaker 6] (1:36:29 - 1:36:29)
Do what they

[Speaker 9] (1:36:29 - 1:36:29)
can

[Speaker 6] (1:36:29 - 1:36:30)
want.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:30 - 1:36:33)
can balance it the way that they want to get it and then we can we could

[Speaker 8] (1:36:33 - 1:36:33)
They're

[Speaker 9] (1:36:33 - 1:36:33)
spend time

[Speaker 8] (1:36:33 - 1:36:34)
going to get

[Speaker 9] (1:36:34 - 1:36:34)
chasing

[Speaker 8] (1:36:34 - 1:36:34)
it with

[Speaker 9] (1:36:34 - 1:36:34)
it.

[Speaker 8] (1:36:34 - 1:36:35)
or without you getting it back.

[Speaker 1] (1:36:35 - 1:36:38)
I don't want to spend any money on trying to chase it personally.

[Speaker 9] (1:36:39 - 1:36:39)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (1:36:40 - 1:36:41)
I don't want to spend legal money,

[Speaker 11] (1:36:41 - 1:36:41)
To next

[Speaker 1] (1:36:41 - 1:36:41)
but

[Speaker 11] (1:36:41 - 1:36:42)
point,

[Speaker 1] (1:36:42 - 1:36:42)
this is money.

[Speaker 11] (1:36:42 - 1:36:46)
getting spent off of our balance sheet from free cash or from the tax roll,

[Speaker 11] (1:36:46 - 1:36:47)
whether we want to do it or not.

[Speaker 11] (1:36:47 - 1:36:51)
So the decision is, do we want to use free cash to pay for it or not?

[Speaker 11] (1:36:52 - 1:36:53)
It's getting paid for,

[Speaker 11] (1:36:53 - 1:36:55)
and then after the fact we can go sue somebody if we want to.

[Speaker 11] (1:36:57 - 1:36:57)
But there's

[Speaker 8] (1:36:57 - 1:36:58)
I think

[Speaker 11] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58)
a question

[Speaker 8] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58)
it feels

[Speaker 11] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58)
before us like tonight

[Speaker 8] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58)
it

[Speaker 11] (1:36:58 - 1:36:58)
how

[Speaker 8] (1:36:58 - 1:36:59)
might

[Speaker 11] (1:36:59 - 1:36:59)
we want

[Speaker 8] (1:36:59 - 1:36:59)
make

[Speaker 11] (1:36:59 - 1:36:59)
to pay

[Speaker 8] (1:36:59 - 1:37:00)
it for a this. substantial bucket

[Speaker 9] (1:37:00 - 1:37:00)
There is not a question.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:00 - 1:37:00)
of your

[Speaker 9] (1:37:00 - 1:37:01)
There

[Speaker 8] (1:37:01 - 1:37:01)
time

[Speaker 9] (1:37:01 - 1:37:01)
is a question. This is the year-end

[Speaker 8] (1:37:01 - 1:37:01)
of some

[Speaker 11] (1:37:01 - 1:37:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:01 - 1:37:01)
decision.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:01 - 1:37:02)
discussion.

[Speaker 8] (1:37:02 - 1:37:03)
That's Yes,

[Speaker 11] (1:37:03 - 1:37:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:03 - 1:37:04)
It's

[Speaker 8] (1:37:04 - 1:37:04)
not really

[Speaker 9] (1:37:04 - 1:37:04)
not that

[Speaker 8] (1:37:04 - 1:37:04)
a decision.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:04 - 1:37:05)
we're asking for action.

[Speaker 9] (1:37:05 - 1:37:07)
I think all the questions are completely reasonable.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:08 - 1:37:10)
When does action need to be taken?

[Speaker 10] (1:37:10 - 1:37:13)
Is it for FY27's budget or

[Speaker 6] (1:37:13 - 1:37:15)
So for both of these items,

[Speaker 6] (1:37:15 - 1:37:19)
it's going to affect 28? the tax rate.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:19 - 1:37:22)
recap right the end of the year when we calculate the

[Speaker 1] (1:37:22 - 1:37:22)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (1:37:22 - 1:37:22)
new

[Speaker 1] (1:37:22 - 1:37:22)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:22 - 1:37:34)
tax rate so the action to take between now and then would be at December town meeting if we want to appropriate free cash to offset the impact of these items that is the extent of the action at this level we would take

[Speaker 7] (1:37:35 - 1:37:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:35 - 1:37:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:37:38 - 1:37:39)
Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:39 - 1:37:39)
you're welcome

[Speaker 6] (1:37:44 - 1:37:46)
And this is the last slide, I promise.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:48 - 1:37:52)
So just a couple of timeline items. Obviously year-end has happened.

[Speaker 6] (1:37:52 - 1:38:06)
I'm presenting the results to you now. I'm submitting our balance sheet to the Department of Revenue in September. We should get our free cash certification back shortly after that by the end of October for sure. And then I'll submit Schedule A,

[Speaker 6] (1:38:06 - 1:38:09)
which is just another report of revenue and expenditures to DOR in their format.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:10 - 1:38:10)
In November.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:13 - 1:38:14)
Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 1] (1:38:14 - 1:38:14)
Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:14 - 1:38:15)
Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 11] (1:38:15 - 1:38:15)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:15 - 1:38:18)
Shall we move on to the transitional audit?

[Speaker 8] (1:38:22 - 1:38:22)
Is

[Speaker 8] (1:38:27 - 1:38:27)
the intent,

[Speaker 8] (1:38:27 - 1:38:28)
I guess, uh

[Speaker 8] (1:38:30 - 1:38:36)
I say we talk about this, we will talk about this, Patrick's gonna present it. But then are we do we wanna have CLA come back?

[Speaker 9] (1:38:37 - 1:38:39)
So uh we have like four slides, it's what they looked at.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:39 - 1:38:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:40 - 1:38:40)
what

[Speaker 8] (1:38:40 - 1:38:40)
No.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:40 - 1:38:41)
their findings were

[Speaker 8] (1:38:41 - 1:38:41)
The answer is

[Speaker 9] (1:38:41 - 1:38:42)
how

[Speaker 8] (1:38:42 - 1:38:42)
no.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:42 - 1:38:43)
what we're planning and

[Speaker 8] (1:38:43 - 1:38:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:44 - 1:38:48)
or what we've already done. So I think if you all have questions we can certainly invite

[Speaker 8] (1:38:48 - 1:38:48)
Oh

[Speaker 9] (1:38:48 - 1:38:48)
them,

[Speaker 8] (1:38:48 - 1:38:48)
wait.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:48 - 1:38:48)
but

[Speaker 8] (1:38:48 - 1:38:49)
No. I just

[Speaker 9] (1:38:49 - 1:38:51)
if tonight is sufficient then we can

[Speaker 8] (1:38:52 - 1:38:52)
I just want to make sure

[Speaker 7] (1:38:52 - 1:38:52)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:52 - 1:38:52)
that we're managing

[Speaker 9] (1:38:52 - 1:38:53)
all having this

[Speaker 8] (1:38:53 - 1:38:54)
board expectations before

[Speaker 9] (1:38:54 - 1:38:55)
having this

[Speaker 8] (1:38:55 - 1:38:55)
we start.

[Speaker 9] (1:38:55 - 1:39:01)
discussion will also allow us to post what CLA gave to us along with their response about what we plan to do or have already started doing.

[Speaker 8] (1:39:02 - 1:39:04)
Okay. Take it away again.

[Speaker 10] (1:39:04 - 1:39:04)
All right.

[Speaker 9] (1:39:05 - 1:39:06)
Just give me one second there.

[Speaker 8] (1:39:06 - 1:39:06)
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 9] (1:39:07 - 1:39:08)
I'm gonna look at the corners.

[Speaker 6] (1:39:09 - 1:39:10)
This is only four slides.

[Speaker 8] (1:39:10 - 1:39:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11)
Yikes.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:11 - 1:39:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:18 - 1:39:18)
You can get my

[Speaker 4] (1:39:36 - 1:39:37)
Is this the first this the first one?

[Speaker 5] (1:39:37 - 1:39:48)
Yep, that's the first slide. Thanks, Nick. Um so here to present the outcomes of the transitional audit that was approved at town meeting in May of twenty twenty five.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:49 - 1:39:52)
And so this was an engagement we used Clifton, Larson,

[Speaker 5] (1:39:52 - 1:39:53)
Allen to conduct,

[Speaker 5] (1:39:53 - 1:39:58)
and they came in to look at three areas of our financial operations.

[Speaker 5] (1:39:58 - 1:40:07)
They looked at the water and sewer enterprise funds to investigate the declining fund balances, declining retained earnings we experienced over a three-year period,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:08 - 1:40:15)
and to evaluate expenditures from those funds for appropriateness, which would mean an appropriation existed and appropriate.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:14 - 1:40:30)
and a purchase order was set up and used to conduct that purchase. And they also looked at uh procurement within the water and sewer enterprise funds. They looked at um the expenditures for compliance with Mass General Law 30B which dictates procurement for municipalities and the state.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:30 - 1:40:40)
And then they also looked at our rec revolving fund to review the flow of transactions, basically how um you know all aspects of their financial operations were functioning.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:41 - 1:40:42)
Next slide.

[Speaker 6] (1:40:42 - 1:40:44)
They didn't look at any other procurements?

[Speaker 5] (1:40:45 - 1:40:46)
The procurement was

[Speaker 6] (1:40:46 - 1:40:46)
Just water

[Speaker 5] (1:40:46 - 1:40:46)
limited

[Speaker 6] (1:40:46 - 1:40:47)
sewer?

[Speaker 5] (1:40:47 - 1:40:51)
to water and sewer enterprise funds. Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:56 - 1:40:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:40:57 - 1:40:58)
The findings,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:58 - 1:40:59)
I apologize,

[Speaker 5] (1:40:59 - 1:41:01)
the slide is, the font is small.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:03 - 1:41:05)
So I provided the board with the full report.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:06 - 1:41:17)
The declining balance in water and sewer funds was primarily driven by consumption projections that were misaligned with actual consumption for multiple fiscal years.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:17 - 1:41:20)
So that means that the projections we were using to build our rates,

[Speaker 5] (1:41:20 - 1:41:26)
the assumptions for consumption didn't match what was actually happening, you know, by the end of the year.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:27 - 1:41:29)
So that's one item.

[Speaker 5] (1:41:30 - 1:41:49)
Second item, there were some instances when they sampled expenditures for appropriateness in the water and sewer fund of missing or expired contracts or a lack of complete and approved purchase orders for some of the expenditures sampled. So that's missing documentation for some of these things related to procurement.

[Speaker 6] (1:41:50 - 1:41:51)
Did they say the dollar amounts?

[Speaker 5] (1:41:53 - 1:41:53)
Um,

[Speaker 6] (1:41:53 - 1:41:54)
Examples of dollar amounts?

[Speaker 5] (1:41:54 - 1:42:04)
there is a table that we will provide to the board. It's an appendix to the report, but they d they didn't um send it to us so it did it does detail what they sampled. Okay?

[Speaker 7] (1:42:04 - 1:42:13)
So when we talk about consumption, that's consumption from for water, let's say that's consumption from the M_W_R_A_ meter relative to what

[Speaker 7] (1:42:15 - 1:42:16)
we're cons we're we're metering.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:17 - 1:42:18)
at the home.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:18 - 1:42:25)
In other words, if we're missing a couple million gallons from leakage, is that included in the consumption

[Speaker 5] (1:42:25 - 1:42:26)
So I want

[Speaker 7] (1:42:26 - 1:42:26)
amount?

[Speaker 5] (1:42:26 - 1:42:33)
to make a d I think we're talking about two different things. So I want to make a distinction. The uh they didn't look at unaccounted for water. And

[Speaker 5] (1:42:34 - 1:42:47)
how that affected our revenues. They looked at how we forecasted our rates to build, you know, to generate the amount of revenue we wanted versus what was actually built and metered and built, okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:49 - 1:42:50)
All right. Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:42:53 - 1:42:54)
So projection versus actual.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:54 - 1:42:55)
Projection versus actual.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:56 - 1:43:00)
Not necessarily the expenditure side, to what we have to pay um from W_R_A_

[Speaker 8] (1:43:00 - 1:43:00)
No.

[Speaker 6] (1:43:00 - 1:43:00)
No.

[Speaker 7] (1:43:00 - 1:43:02)
Okay. Okay. Alright.

[Speaker 8] (1:43:04 - 1:43:08)
And then consumer projections, right, is what we're saying?

[Speaker 5] (1:43:09 - 1:43:10)
Yes, projections.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:11 - 1:43:12)
On the procurement side,

[Speaker 5] (1:43:13 - 1:43:22)
There were expenditures on contracts that were more than five years old, so generally a municipality can't award a contract that exceeds five years.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:22 - 1:43:25)
That would be a maximum unless there was some kind of amendment.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:26 - 1:43:31)
And there was some lack of evidence of formal procurement for some of the expenditures that were sampled.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:31 - 1:43:35)
So again, gaps in some documentation related to procurement.

[Speaker 5] (1:43:36 - 1:43:52)
And the rec revolving fund they noted that fringe benefits related to employees so primarily that's payroll taxes for this current census we have we're not charged to the rec revolving fund so we will be doing that in FY27. They also noted that

[Speaker 5] (1:43:53 - 1:44:04)
The spending limit was not noted in the accounting system and there was limited expenditure classification in the fund, which just means there weren't a lot of subaccounts built out to track expenditures on reports.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:04 - 1:44:04)
Details.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:04 - 1:44:06)
Detail, correct.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:06 - 1:44:14)
Um and they noted some opportunity for more training related to procurement and just utilizing the accounting system within the staff there.

[Speaker 6] (1:44:16 - 1:44:19)
What year did this audit cover?

[Speaker 6] (1:44:19 - 1:44:23)
So what, did it look at REC for this year or did it look at 2025?

[Speaker 5] (1:44:23 - 1:44:38)
So they looked for most of the audit they were looking at 23 through 25 for sampling but in terms of the recreation department they did meet with staff so it would be a measurement of like current conditions in terms of you know how are we running reports and tracking things okay

[Speaker 6] (1:44:38 - 1:44:39)
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:41 - 1:44:47)
And so the next slide, there are some recommendations that were made.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:48 - 1:44:50)
So in terms of water and sewer funds,

[Speaker 5] (1:44:51 - 1:44:55)
CLA recommended we use more conservative consumption estimates in the rate setting process,

[Speaker 5] (1:44:56 - 1:45:00)
reconcile our projected consumption annually with the actuals.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:00 - 1:45:20)
uh adhere to policies regarding retained earnings balances and periodically review the rate structure which is something that uh Mary Ellen mentioned earlier. Um so those are their recommendations and then the next slide will have you know our actions that have been taken or will be taken um on the procurement piece.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:20 - 1:45:46)
Um just ensuring the policies we have are communicated to all department heads or anyone involved in procurement and that they're adhered to so that would be just you know communication acknowledgement of the policy making sure that everyone is comfortable operating within that in each department and then ensuring that contracts are up to date as needed upon expiration at least every three years we have a lot of long-term relationships with vendors and um that documentation just has to be in place.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:47 - 1:45:51)
And we've had no procurement issues that have come up in our regular audits?

[Speaker 5] (1:45:52 - 1:45:53)
We have not.

[Speaker 5] (1:45:53 - 1:45:53)
Nope.

[Speaker 6] (1:45:55 - 1:45:56)
So what's happening with our regular audits?

[Speaker 5] (1:45:58 - 1:46:02)
So we are conducting an audit RFP right now, I will say that.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:02 - 1:46:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:03 - 1:46:07)
So we're seeking, you know, firms interested in doing the 26 audit.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:07 - 1:46:07)
The

[Speaker 5] (1:46:07 - 1:46:08)
It could be a full different audit. firm.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:09 - 1:46:10)
Yeah, so

[Speaker 6] (1:46:10 - 1:46:10)
Our

[Speaker 5] (1:46:10 - 1:46:10)
we

[Speaker 6] (1:46:10 - 1:46:10)
normal,

[Speaker 5] (1:46:10 - 1:46:10)
have a

[Speaker 8] (1:46:10 - 1:46:10)
Internal

[Speaker 6] (1:46:10 - 1:46:10)
normal

[Speaker 5] (1:46:10 - 1:46:11)
calendar.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:11 - 1:46:11)
like

[Speaker 6] (1:46:11 - 1:46:11)
our normal

[Speaker 5] (1:46:11 - 1:46:11)
financial

[Speaker 8] (1:46:11 - 1:46:11)
Town

[Speaker 6] (1:46:11 - 1:46:11)
town

[Speaker 5] (1:46:11 - 1:46:11)
audit.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:11 - 1:46:12)
meeting.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:12 - 1:46:12)
town

[Speaker 9] (1:46:12 - 1:46:12)
Town

[Speaker 6] (1:46:12 - 1:46:12)
audit,

[Speaker 9] (1:46:12 - 1:46:12)
audit.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:12 - 1:46:12)
right.

[Speaker 9] (1:46:12 - 1:46:12)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:12 - 1:46:13)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (1:46:13 - 1:46:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:13 - 1:46:14)
yeah, it would be our regular audit.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:14 - 1:46:14)
And

[Speaker 5] (1:46:14 - 1:46:17)
So that that's underway.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:17 - 1:46:18)
We have them with the same firm for a while.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:20 - 1:46:21)
I'll just leave that at that.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:21 - 1:46:24)
And when was our regular audit, when was that completed?

[Speaker 5] (1:46:25 - 1:46:30)
So the 25 audit is delayed so we don't have it yet.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:31 - 1:46:33)
But I am expecting it by Labor Day.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:35 - 1:46:40)
The firm was acquired twice throughout the engagement. So that has created a lot of delay.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:41 - 1:46:43)
And then what's your ETA on the twenty six audit?

[Speaker 5] (1:46:43 - 1:46:51)
The twenty six audit, we're doing the RFP right now, um and we would expect it to be done well in advance of uh I would say March.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:52 - 1:46:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:46:52 - 1:46:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:52 - 1:46:54)
Maybe at the same time as this one.

[Speaker 6] (1:46:55 - 1:46:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:46:55 - 1:46:55)
Twenty five.

[Speaker 10] (1:46:55 - 1:46:59)
How far how long behind are they?

[Speaker 10] (1:47:00 - 1:47:03)
How far behind, sorry, on delivering the F Y twenty five?

[Speaker 5] (1:47:03 - 1:47:05)
They should have been done in March, by March.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:05 - 1:47:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:05 - 1:47:07)
Okay, are they out of their contract terms?

[Speaker 6] (1:47:07 - 1:47:08)
Six months.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:08 - 1:47:09)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:09 - 1:47:10)
That's not a delay, that's like

[Speaker 7] (1:47:10 - 1:47:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:10 - 1:47:11)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:11 - 1:47:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:11 - 1:47:12)
t are they out of their contract terms?

[Speaker 5] (1:47:12 - 1:47:14)
Yeah, this is the final year of their contract, so

[Speaker 10] (1:47:14 - 1:47:15)
No, I mean

[Speaker 6] (1:47:15 - 1:47:15)
No,

[Speaker 10] (1:47:15 - 1:47:22)
for delivery of the audit. I mean usually you would have the expected deliverable and a delivery date and a

[Speaker 6] (1:47:22 - 1:47:22)
The penalty,

[Speaker 10] (1:47:22 - 1:47:22)
reconciliation penalty

[Speaker 6] (1:47:22 - 1:47:23)
like, yep.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:23 - 1:47:23)
clause.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:23 - 1:47:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:47:24 - 1:47:27)
Yeah, s we are not the only community that's having this problem with our provider.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:28 - 1:47:28)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (1:47:28 - 1:47:31)
We will explore all opportunities to recoup costs.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:32 - 1:47:32)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:33 - 1:47:35)
That's that's a significant delay.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:35 - 1:47:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:36 - 1:47:36)
I

[Speaker 5] (1:47:36 - 1:47:36)
Hi.

[Speaker 8] (1:47:36 - 1:47:37)
would say that's not

[Speaker 5] (1:47:37 - 1:47:37)
Agreed with that.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:37 - 1:47:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
No,

[Speaker 5] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
it's not.

[Speaker 10] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:38 - 1:47:38)
Does

[Speaker 6] (1:47:38 - 1:47:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:47:39 - 1:47:40)
that put us out of compliance with the DOR?

[Speaker 5] (1:47:41 - 1:47:42)
What was that one?

[Speaker 7] (1:47:42 - 1:47:45)
An audit when we is there a state requirement for an audit?

[Speaker 7] (1:47:46 - 1:47:48)
Does that put us out of compliance of that audit is not

[Speaker 5] (1:47:49 - 1:47:57)
When the audit is completed it is shared with DOR. There's it if it goes on and on it can be an issue if you're trying to issue debt.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:58 - 1:47:58)
If

[Speaker 6] (1:47:58 - 1:48:00)
It could affect our bond rating.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:02 - 1:48:06)
So it can affect our ability to issue debt. And if we do a credit review they like to see up-to-date financials,

[Speaker 7] (1:48:06 - 1:48:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:07 - 1:48:10)
which is why it it is expected

[Speaker 6] (1:48:10 - 1:48:14)
But like Mick said, there are multiple communities that are being affected by this firm.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:15 - 1:48:16)
Yeah, it was

[Speaker 11] (1:48:17 - 1:48:28)
When we talked about this in the most recent meeting with our credit ratings and it was do you have this firm, yes, okay. When do you anticipate it knowing that that's who you're working with.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:28 - 1:48:28)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:29 - 1:48:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:30 - 1:48:32)
So it's not something we wanna repeat by any stretch,

[Speaker 5] (1:48:32 - 1:48:32)
But

[Speaker 11] (1:48:32 - 1:48:42)
but it is generally known that we are not the only it's not for a lack of us providing information or a lot of effort, it's they have been significantly delayed in delivering across their portfolio.

[Speaker 6] (1:48:44 - 1:48:44)
Great.

[Speaker 11] (1:48:44 - 1:48:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:45 - 1:48:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:47 - 1:48:59)
And in the rec revolving fund, the CLA recommended updating cost allocation practices, which is just making sure that the benefits of the employees are charged to the rec revolving fund to the extent they exist,

[Speaker 5] (1:49:00 - 1:49:09)
to review and modify the chart of accounts, basically to add more detail to their reporting in the accounting system and to provide them some additional training on.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:13 - 1:49:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:49:14 - 1:49:14)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:16 - 1:49:23)
And our next slide is our kind of responses that I built and reviewed with Nick.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:24 - 1:49:45)
Um obviously we want to address their findings and incorporate them into how we're gonna change our policies and procedures going forward. Um so on the water and sewer side, um we did implement more conservative consumption estimates beginning in FY twenty five and that has helped us uh rebuild our retained earnings balances over time. We've seen that I just spoke spoke about that in my prior presentation.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:47 - 1:49:58)
Uh reconciliation of consumption is provided when we do the water and sewer rates, it was this year, it'll be broken out by tier going forward so that it's more granular and we can analyse that more as a group.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:58 - 1:50:25)
Uh the rate recommendations will always be built to yield you know sufficient revenues to comply with the retained earnings policy to the extent we can predict that and um the rate structure will be studied during FY27 so again Marilyn to your point earlier about looking at the tiers that's something we did in um I think that tiers were adopted in 2023 as part of that group that did that um so we would look to do that again this year.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:26 - 1:50:29)
and probably every three years thereafter just for good measure.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:30 - 1:50:32)
On the procurement side,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:34 - 1:51:01)
That'll revolve a lot around training, so circulating the purchasing policy with uh to all the department heads and directors and getting a written acknowledgement of uh receipt of that policy and providing professional development opportunity during fiscal twenty seven for department heads, directors and staff that are involved in the procurement process for their departments to make sure everyone has a uh at least a general understanding of the rules that apply. I think we have a lot of turnover and a lot of new people.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:00 - 1:51:05)
people and that's due um to make sure we're all on a level playing field.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:05 - 1:51:07)
Does the state aid in any of that training?

[Speaker 4] (1:51:08 - 1:51:09)
Yeah, they have both

[Speaker 3] (1:51:09 - 1:51:09)
That's fab.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:09 - 1:51:13)
the certification, but you can do more introductory level training.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:13 - 1:51:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:13 - 1:51:14)
OAG offers it.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:14 - 1:51:15)
It's complimentary?

[Speaker 4] (1:51:16 - 1:51:20)
Most? The MSPPO is not complimentary, but there are

[Speaker 3] (1:51:20 - 1:51:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:20 - 1:51:22)
individual trainings that they

[Speaker 1] (1:51:22 - 1:51:22)
There's

[Speaker 4] (1:51:22 - 1:51:22)
can take.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:22 - 1:51:23)
free webinars

[Speaker 4] (1:51:23 - 1:51:23)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:23 - 1:51:25)
that would cover like the general

[Speaker 3] (1:51:25 - 1:51:26)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:30)
And in the rec revolving fund

[Speaker 1] (1:51:31 - 1:51:56)
we will be charging benefits of the employees to the funds starting in twenty seven. That's about thirty five hundred dollars based on last year. And um the chart of accounts will be expanded in twenty eight um we wanna add detail to their budget reports basically that helps them operate but doesn't also hinder them, right. They that's a small department, so if I add all these accounts, it may be more burden than it is useful um to them. So I'll work closely with

[Speaker 1] (1:51:56 - 1:52:17)
with the rector rector on that. And since since this report was done we have provided training to the rec department on how to use the accounting system and our new assistant town accountant has been really integral in that and she's been spending a lot of time with them. So I'm seeing you know some positive returns there.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:17 - 1:52:21)
So that's those are kind of our responses to the findings here.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:22 - 1:52:32)
Happy to take any questions. Again, we intended to have CLA here on the eighteenth, they weren't able to make this meeting, we could certainly have them come to another meeting as well, but that seems useful.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:35 - 1:52:40)
Clearly there were a lot of financial and operational recommendations that they went through here.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:40 - 1:52:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:52:43 - 1:52:49)
My biggest reaction was going through the op daily operations of some of the in their memo,

[Speaker 5] (1:52:50 - 1:52:56)
a twenty two percent increase in rec department enrollment for programs in one year

[Speaker 5] (1:52:57 - 1:53:00)
was really jaw dropping to me. It's like really impressive.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:01 - 1:53:01)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:01 - 1:53:08)
Went from thirty one hundred participants in twenty twenty four to almost thirty nine hundred in twenty twenty five.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:10 - 1:53:10)
So

[Speaker 4] (1:53:10 - 1:53:11)
Huge growth.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:11 - 1:53:13)
yeah, very impressive.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:13 - 1:53:14)
Kudos to Recreation.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:16 - 1:53:17)
That's all I got though.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:17 - 1:53:17)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:17 - 1:53:18)
those are 25,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:18 - 1:53:20)
so it'll be interesting to see what 26 has.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:20 - 1:53:20)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:20 - 1:53:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (1:53:21 - 1:53:23)
yeah, very much so.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:24 - 1:53:25)
Just on a high level,

[Speaker 6] (1:53:25 - 1:53:29)
is this, when we do a transitional audit as opposed to a full town audit,

[Speaker 6] (1:53:29 - 1:53:29)
is this?

[Speaker 6] (1:53:30 - 1:53:34)
voluntary on behalf of the town or is this a

[Speaker 3] (1:53:34 - 1:53:34)
Yes, we

[Speaker 7] (1:53:34 - 1:53:34)
That's

[Speaker 3] (1:53:34 - 1:53:35)
voluntarily,

[Speaker 7] (1:53:35 - 1:53:35)
a good question.

[Speaker 3] (1:53:35 - 1:53:36)
yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:36 - 1:53:36)
I just want to make sh yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:36 - 1:53:37)
That's it.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:37 - 1:53:38)
Town meeting in 25,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:38 - 1:53:39)
was it, that you all that

[Speaker 3] (1:53:39 - 1:53:39)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:39 - 1:53:45)
there was a it was a discussion where there was an inflection point on the staff side and questions that folks had raised that were reasonable that

[Speaker 3] (1:53:45 - 1:53:46)
Changes.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:46 - 1:53:53)
this was a real real opportunity to take a look at it and understand how things have been moving in each direction and rec with,

[Speaker 4] (1:53:53 - 1:53:57)
you know, having Danielle created the program and worked on it for a long time.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:57 - 1:53:57)
It was a.

[Speaker 4] (1:53:57 - 1:54:05)
with the chance for us to say are there things that we can do differently or better so that we put our new staff in a position to be just as successful growing it as Danielle had been building it originally.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:05 - 1:54:14)
And do you feel that it was what we got out of this from your standpoint as manager of the, at large, right?

[Speaker 6] (1:54:15 - 1:54:16)
It was just

[Speaker 4] (1:54:16 - 1:54:17)
It's useful.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:17 - 1:54:17)
very useful.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:17 - 1:54:18)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (1:54:18 - 1:54:18)
Was

[Speaker 4] (1:54:18 - 1:54:18)
good.

[Speaker 3] (1:54:18 - 1:54:19)
it worth it, is what

[Speaker 8] (1:54:19 - 1:54:19)
Was

[Speaker 3] (1:54:19 - 1:54:19)
he's saying.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:19 - 1:54:19)
it valuable?

[Speaker 6] (1:54:19 - 1:54:20)
The return on investment.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:20 - 1:54:21)
What did we spend, eight

[Speaker 4] (1:54:21 - 1:54:21)
There

[Speaker 8] (1:54:21 - 1:54:21)
thousand,

[Speaker 4] (1:54:21 - 1:54:22)
was a

[Speaker 8] (1:54:22 - 1:54:23)
ten thousand, something in that neighborhood?

[Speaker 4] (1:54:23 - 1:54:25)
There was more than that appropriated and spent.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:25 - 1:54:26)
Fifty thousand.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:26 - 1:54:26)
Thirty,

[Speaker 4] (1:54:27 - 1:54:28)
I believe was the number, right?

[Speaker 8] (1:54:28 - 1:54:29)
Appropriate.

[Speaker 8] (1:54:29 - 1:54:30)
Did we spend that though?

[Speaker 8] (1:54:30 - 1:54:31)
Did it actually cost

[Speaker 4] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
We're

[Speaker 8] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
that

[Speaker 4] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
very

[Speaker 8] (1:54:31 - 1:54:31)
much?

[Speaker 4] (1:54:31 - 1:54:32)
close to it if we're not there yet.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:32 - 1:54:35)
Well, just as a wrap-up to draw some conclusions to the process,

[Speaker 6] (1:54:35 - 1:54:38)
this was a, you feel that this was worthy and

[Speaker 4] (1:54:38 - 1:54:39)
And I also think that some of the

[Speaker 4] (1:54:40 - 1:54:44)
Questions that folks have rightly been asking that they felt like this was a way to get answers.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:44 - 1:54:46)
It provides information to explain.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:47 - 1:54:49)
the direction of retained revenue and why,

[Speaker 4] (1:54:49 - 1:54:53)
and it identifies areas as I was talking about with the rail trail,

[Speaker 4] (1:54:53 - 1:54:55)
and I've said this going back to last October,

[Speaker 4] (1:54:55 - 1:54:58)
we are not without fault.

[Speaker 4] (1:54:58 - 1:55:02)
We can always do a better job at what we're trying to deliver services,

[Speaker 4] (1:55:02 - 1:55:10)
so this is a great way to identify it outside in a very discreet area while also answering questions that the community and town meeting members raise very directly.

[Speaker 4] (1:55:10 - 1:55:12)
So I do think it was worth it.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:13 - 1:55:28)
If you look at page two, in twenty twenty five we had zero retained earnings and that was one flag that went up for a couple of citizens that have history at D_O_R_ and then also having a new town administrator come in, you might as well, this is the best time to

[Speaker 5] (1:55:28 - 1:55:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:28 - 1:55:30)
turn around and do

[Speaker 4] (1:55:30 - 1:55:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:55:30 - 1:55:38)
you know, just uh do a little bit of check on our homework. So makes it a little bit easier for the new town administrator to know what's going on and make some changes. But

[Speaker 8] (1:55:38 - 1:55:40)
But, so for example, in the 2025,

[Speaker 8] (1:55:40 - 1:55:52)
that was a, I don't want to say clerical error, it was just a timing error on how we accounted for the retained earnings, and then that's why it had zero, and then it gets moved over to the next year. So

[Speaker 3] (1:55:53 - 1:55:56)
I think it draws a line in the sand too. So when we think about like

[Speaker 3] (1:55:57 - 1:56:10)
As new personnel comes in and everything, we could say like okay, well we did a check, right, and so like we're able to say like go on the go forward, there are some reasonable things that we're gonna change, but also like there's some things that are working and

[Speaker 6] (1:56:10 - 1:56:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:11 - 1:56:16)
we can think about betterment, but helps focus new personnel on sort of the direction.

[Speaker 8] (1:56:17 - 1:56:21)
But one concern that I do have is the fact that we don't well we'll have to see

[Speaker 8] (1:56:22 - 1:56:34)
what the 25 audit says if the 25 audit says that there are no issues in procurement and yet this audit is saying that there is a couple I don't want to make it sound like it's something nefarious it's not it's just

[Speaker 8] (1:56:36 - 1:56:38)
it's just you know

[Speaker 8] (1:56:39 - 1:56:58)
procedural um the fact that if if the normal audit doesn't pick anything up because i know that our past audits didn't have anything that was in there for procurement except for maybe one about five years ago just asking for purchase purchase orders and improve improving purchase orders but i am concerned about that with our regular audit

[Speaker 1] (1:56:59 - 1:57:01)
And if I can make a just go ahead.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:01 - 1:57:02)
No, I was just going to say,

[Speaker 3] (1:57:02 - 1:57:05)
couldn't a distinction be the sample taken?

[Speaker 3] (1:57:05 - 1:57:20)
can right so the sample the pulling of the sample I don't know how big the sample is sample sizes that obviously matters because then the data is different but if obviously they're not reviewing the same sample they're not pulling the same data

[Speaker 3] (1:57:22 - 1:57:31)
points for procurement then the data points they pull could have had all the requisite requirements versus the transitional order or vice versa but I agree with you we should look into that

[Speaker 1] (1:57:32 - 1:57:43)
And I want to make a distinction too um between the two engagements right, because this is cal this is what in the accounting world they call an applied procedures engagement, so they're looking at how we are applying the

[Speaker 3] (1:57:43 - 1:57:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:43 - 1:57:48)
procedures we have in place and what the results are of that. The annual audit we do is

[Speaker 4] (1:57:48 - 1:57:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:48 - 1:57:56)
preparation of financial statements and auditing our reporting to make sure there's no material misstatement in our financials. So

[Speaker 8] (1:57:56 - 1:57:56)
Totally different.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:56 - 1:57:57)
they're not

[Speaker 6] (1:57:57 - 1:57:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:57 - 1:58:07)
Yes, they're looking at our books in in their entirety, but to your point, they may not be sampling procurement in the same manner that something like this does.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:07 - 1:58:10)
So more back-checking to s to say you did what you did.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:11 - 1:58:18)
Right. Not looking in necessarily at the processes, procedures, auditing to the point like what we just had done.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:18 - 1:58:19)
Am I understanding that?

[Speaker 1] (1:58:19 - 1:58:21)
Yeah, these are these are different types of engagements.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:21 - 1:58:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:21 - 1:58:23)
I just want to make that distinction.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:23 - 1:58:23)
That's awful.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:24 - 1:58:26)
Good point.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:27 - 1:58:29)
Alright. Thank you Patrick.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:29 - 1:58:29)
Thank you, Patrick.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:29 - 1:58:29)
Alright.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:29 - 1:58:30)
You're welcome.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:30 - 1:58:35)
Um moving on to our

[Speaker 3] (1:58:35 - 1:58:36)
Professors, thank you very much.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:36 - 1:58:37)
Thanks for your patience.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:37 - 1:58:39)
For being patient. Now you

[Speaker 4] (1:58:39 - 1:58:39)
Which

[Speaker 3] (1:58:39 - 1:58:39)
guys

[Speaker 4] (1:58:39 - 1:58:40)
one of you guys

[Speaker 3] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
know a lot

[Speaker 4] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
want

[Speaker 3] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
about

[Speaker 4] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
to do

[Speaker 3] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
the

[Speaker 4] (1:58:40 - 1:58:40)
first?

[Speaker 3] (1:58:40 - 1:58:41)
budget.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:41 - 1:58:42)
Do you want to do yours first, right?

[Speaker 4] (1:58:43 - 1:58:43)
So, okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:45 - 1:58:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:45 - 1:58:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:46 - 1:58:48)
Would you like the uh T_V_ tray or you wanna stand?

[Speaker 4] (1:58:49 - 1:58:50)
I don't wanna stand. That'd

[Speaker 3] (1:58:50 - 1:58:50)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:50 - 1:58:50)
be easy.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:50 - 1:58:50)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:51 - 1:58:52)
Let me kind of point at this.

[Speaker 4] (1:58:54 - 1:58:55)
What's this?

[Speaker 4] (1:58:56 - 1:58:57)
I just need to get to it, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:58 - 1:58:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:58 - 1:59:00)
What are we starting with, elementary school circulation?

[Speaker 4] (1:59:00 - 1:59:01)
No, we're gonna start with the

[Speaker 3] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (1:59:01 - 1:59:01)
comprehensive

[Speaker 3] (1:59:01 - 1:59:02)
we aren't talking about

[Speaker 4] (1:59:02 - 1:59:02)
parking

[Speaker 3] (1:59:02 - 1:59:02)
parking

[Speaker 4] (1:59:02 - 1:59:02)
review.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:02 - 1:59:03)
proposals.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:03 - 1:59:03)
Or Okay, reform.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04)
so that's

[Speaker 6] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:07 - 1:59:14)
While she's getting the slide show together, I'd thank you guys for having us here and thank you for looking into this issue.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:14 - 1:59:24)
It's definitely overdue for us to take a look at the town and our parking. It's a hodgepodge of different restrictions and regulations and this is long overdue.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:33 - 1:59:34)
Is it?

[Speaker 4] (1:59:34 - 1:59:34)
No.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:35 - 1:59:36)
Yep, now let's

[Speaker 4] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:36 - 1:59:36)
see.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:37 - 1:59:37)
Okay, a second.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:38 - 1:59:40)
I can put this together, if I don't know if we missed

[Speaker 6] (1:59:40 - 1:59:40)
This was

[Speaker 4] (1:59:40 - 1:59:40)
the page.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:40 - 1:59:41)
the front.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:42 - 1:59:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:59:44 - 1:59:59)
I'll work with it and talk to it either way. So uh so uh as we all know we live in Swampscott, it's a uh long established densely populated town, the road and park network uh road and park network predates the automobile, we have narrow roads, curvy streets, restricted that I wanna say.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:00 - 2:00:10)
And most difficult we have this close integration of commercial, government and residences that causes a competing interest in how we use the apartment that we do have available.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:11 - 2:00:20)
Um so one of the things that we've identified is confusion with the resident only versus recreation versus time parking restrictions across town.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:20 - 2:00:23)
Um the discretionary time that we use the property has one.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:23 - 2:00:51)
the routine enforcement of these uh rules and this patchwork of limited parking sticker eligibility leading to unclear boundaries, you know whether it's just good for the street, um and the fact that some people that genuinely need the ability to park in the neighbourhood such as at the Westcott Westcott sorry about that are currently unable to access the service of the resident park.

[Speaker 4] (2:00:52 - 2:00:56)
Enforcement of inefficiencies right now would be focused on

[Speaker 4] (2:00:56 - 2:01:16)
Uh, time parking is very difficult for us. Um, it requires two patrols, one to drive down the street, record all the plates and the locations that they're parked, and then return two hours later or whatever the time restriction later is, move back down the street, check the cars that are still there by the list and um issue tickets at that point.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:17 - 2:01:22)
What happens is if we are somehow tied up and we are unable to return for that second run

[Speaker 4] (2:01:22 - 2:01:28)
run, the first run has provided no fruitful productivity to the town or the residents or the business owners.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:29 - 2:01:30)
And secondly,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:30 - 2:01:32)
people will see us moving down the street,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:32 - 2:01:34)
especially on Humphrey Street,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:34 - 2:01:35)
collecting those plates,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:35 - 2:01:38)
generally they're employees or business owners.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:38 - 2:01:42)
They see us do that, they go out, they move their car a couple of spaces,

[Speaker 4] (2:01:42 - 2:01:47)
and that effectively means they haven't been parked in that same space for two hours and we come back and

[Speaker 4] (2:01:46 - 2:01:51)
And it's only moved ten feet. The business owners are frustrated, the residents are frustrated,

[Speaker 7] (2:01:51 - 2:01:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:01:51 - 2:02:05)
but we're unable to address it at that moment. Um so that is definitely led to inconsistent enforcement and frustration with our residents, if you wouldn't mind advancing it, try to go up. Um

[Speaker 4] (2:02:06 - 2:02:15)
So as we said, limited sticker eligibility unjustly excludes close proximity neighbours on unposted streets with legitimate parking needs. The Westcott would be the highlight of that.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:17 - 2:02:28)
I think we're belittling in boundaries. What we're talking about there is again every sign in town says residents stick a parking only, it doesn't say residents stick a parking for this street or where it's excluded,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:28 - 2:02:30)
and it creates quite a bit of confusion.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:31 - 2:02:35)
And as we just discussed our enforcement capacity, maybe we could skip ahead.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:39 - 2:02:39)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:02:40 - 2:02:53)
The first thing that we're looking at here in our first recommendation in this is to re-establish a traffic committee so that we have the ability to sort of address things proactively and bring resolution.

[Speaker 4] (2:02:53 - 2:02:58)
Our recommendation is to streamline it down from the board that we had before to make it more productive,

[Speaker 4] (2:02:58 - 2:03:06)
including the police department to assess sight lines, road safety and other factors like that. The fire department for...

[Speaker 4] (2:03:07 - 2:03:19)
Emergency access, public works for um street signs, marking and budgeting, and then community development, so that the um residents and the business owners are having their voices heard.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:22 - 2:03:22)
Am I messing this up?

[Speaker 8] (2:03:22 - 2:03:25)
No, it's a touch screen. So if you touch it then

[Speaker 9] (2:03:25 - 2:03:27)
No, j oh just tell me I'll go to the next slide.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:27 - 2:03:28)
Okay, please advance, sir.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:31 - 2:03:34)
All right. We did present two different proposals.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:34 - 2:03:40)
Swampscott's geographically small and really in most cities it would probably be one parking zone.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:40 - 2:03:42)
We do have competing interest here.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:42 - 2:03:43)
So of

[Speaker 8] (2:03:43 - 2:03:44)
Can you, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 8] (2:03:44 - 2:03:46)
can we just go back one slide? I just want to,

[Speaker 4] (2:03:46 - 2:03:46)
course.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:46 - 2:03:48)
I have a clarification question about the traffic

[Speaker 9] (2:03:48 - 2:03:49)
Traffic Committee?

[Speaker 8] (2:03:49 - 2:03:49)
committee.

[Speaker 4] (2:03:49 - 2:03:50)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:03:50 - 2:03:58)
So you're saying that it would be four members from each of these departments and no members from the residents?

[Speaker 8] (2:03:58 - 2:03:59)
Is it um from the

[Speaker 9] (2:03:59 - 2:03:59)
Other

[Speaker 8] (2:03:59 - 2:04:03)
residents or it's gonna be for residents plus members from each of these departments?

[Speaker 4] (2:04:04 - 2:04:07)
My recommendation just based on past experience with the difficulty bringing in residents

[Speaker 8] (2:04:07 - 2:04:07)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:07 - 2:04:18)
and stu it would be to eliminate that component. We'll hear the residents, we'll have the complaints, we'll have open meetings, but to streamline the traffic committee to these groups that I think we'll cover.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:19 - 2:04:20)
Okay, um, all the residents and

[Speaker 8] (2:04:20 - 2:04:20)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:04:20 - 2:04:21)
business

[Speaker 8] (2:04:21 - 2:04:21)
one summer

[Speaker 4] (2:04:21 - 2:04:21)
owners

[Speaker 8] (2:04:21 - 2:04:21)
information

[Speaker 4] (2:04:21 - 2:04:21)
concerns.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:21 - 2:04:23)
sheet, employee, staff,

[Speaker 4] (2:04:23 - 2:04:23)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:23 - 2:04:23)
committee,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:24 - 2:04:24)
it

[Speaker 8] (2:04:24 - 2:04:24)
Okay, and

[Speaker 9] (2:04:24 - 2:04:25)
would be in

[Speaker 8] (2:04:25 - 2:04:25)
there's,

[Speaker 9] (2:04:25 - 2:04:25)
the public.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:25 - 2:04:31)
just to clarify, there's no union issue with us having a police officer and a firefighter out?

[Speaker 8] (2:04:32 - 2:04:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
No no, we've we've done that in the past,

[Speaker 8] (2:04:33 - 2:04:34)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (2:04:34 - 2:04:34)
of course.

[Speaker 8] (2:04:34 - 2:04:35)
just want to make sure. Thanks.

[Speaker 9] (2:04:37 - 2:04:37)
You're okay, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:04:38 - 2:04:38)
Yeah, thank you.

[Speaker 4] (2:04:39 - 2:04:54)
So this this was one of the more challenging aspects as I said Swampscott geographically could easily be one resident parking zone in most places but here we have three competing interests that we've identified and we're presenting a three zone proposal

[Speaker 4] (2:04:55 - 2:05:06)
So what you see here are what those zones would look like. What we did was we started off with the school district here, the school area, and tried to outline what that area was.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:06 - 2:05:20)
We've made recent commitments to the residents of those neighbourhoods about trying to control parking and geographically that was an easy one to isolate and say this is an area that's walking distance to the schools. From there we worked

[Speaker 4] (2:05:21 - 2:05:29)
On the beach side, basically with the logic that if you live along a beach, you're probably not going to drive to another beach to go to,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:29 - 2:05:36)
and therefore there's likely to be little crossover in this blue zone. And then the rest of the town became the green zone,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:36 - 2:05:37)
which would include high school parking,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:38 - 2:05:41)
the depot, the government area, the library,

[Speaker 4] (2:05:41 - 2:05:46)
and the post office would be the primary places affected by

[Speaker 4] (2:05:46 - 2:05:55)
Uh that green zone. So that was the logic that led us to outline these boundaries, and uh we do have a list of the streets that would be affected after that.

[Speaker 4] (2:05:58 - 2:06:02)
Yeah, so what this would do just uh real quickly, it'll probably be on the next slide, um

[Speaker 4] (2:06:03 - 2:06:17)
We would be able to drive down the street, see the colour of the sticker, and immediately you know if there's a violation. And once we've changed the signs, the person that parked will clearly know that they were in violation. Right now what happens is it goes street by street,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:17 - 2:06:22)
and the stickers do not indicate what street that person lives on. So to do enforcement, say on Pine Street,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:22 - 2:06:24)
we'll have to drive down the street,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:24 - 2:06:26)
stop at each car, run the registration,

[Speaker 4] (2:06:27 - 2:06:29)
see if it's a resident, and if it's not.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:29 - 2:06:38)
Then issue the ticket. So it probably increases, you know, the time that it takes to reach um to process each ticket, you know, four or fivefold.

[Speaker 8] (2:06:39 - 2:06:41)
So essentially like if you live in the green zone,

[Speaker 10] (2:06:41 - 2:06:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:06:41 - 2:06:44)
you have a green ticket on your car when

[Speaker 4] (2:06:44 - 2:06:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:06:44 - 2:06:54)
you're when you're driving by, you know you're meant to park there Yep. and when you're in a different zone you see a green sticker and you say well they're not meant to park there they don't have a red sticker they have a green sticker not a blue sticker they're

[Speaker 4] (2:06:55 - 2:06:56)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 8] (2:06:56 - 2:06:57)
You know you can take it then.

[Speaker 4] (2:06:57 - 2:06:59)
So the residents will absolutely know where they can

[Speaker 8] (2:06:59 - 2:06:59)
The changes

[Speaker 4] (2:06:59 - 2:07:00)
and can't

[Speaker 8] (2:07:00 - 2:07:00)
will

[Speaker 4] (2:07:00 - 2:07:00)
park.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:00 - 2:07:03)
be related to the color of the sticker to help people identify,

[Speaker 8] (2:07:03 - 2:07:05)
okay, I'm now in a green area.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:05 - 2:07:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:06 - 2:07:07)
So it'll be okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:08 - 2:07:13)
And if I can, one thing we didn't say, the idea is that this is a presentation to you all.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:13 - 2:07:14)
We would allow,

[Speaker 9] (2:07:15 - 2:07:17)
we're not asking you to make a decision tonight.

[Speaker 9] (2:07:17 - 2:07:21)
We're looking for any feedback tonight about before any changes would make we would come back with another meeting.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:22 - 2:07:25)
If the major public can had seen this and be able to weigh

[Speaker 8] (2:07:25 - 2:07:25)
React

[Speaker 4] (2:07:25 - 2:07:25)
in and

[Speaker 8] (2:07:25 - 2:07:25)
to it.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:25 - 2:07:26)
uh yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:07:26 - 2:07:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:26 - 2:07:26)
Sorry.

[Speaker 4] (2:07:27 - 2:07:40)
This yeah this is absolutely a starting point and if we do go with the uh pardon committee uh the traffic committee I would highly recommend that this be something that sits in front of them right away and we get that diverse group of views as to how this should go.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:41 - 2:07:49)
You know, it just occurred to me, it keeps e you've mentioned Westcott a couple times. My understanding is the Westcott was a transit focused

[Speaker 4] (2:07:49 - 2:07:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:50 - 2:08:04)
facility where people were going to be their whole reason the Westcott was built was because it was right near the train and people were going to be um using the train and there wasn't really a need of parking. Now what I'm looking at is what do they have, a hundred and forty units over there?

[Speaker 4] (2:08:05 - 2:08:05)
Uh, I'm

[Speaker 11] (2:08:05 - 2:08:05)
That's

[Speaker 4] (2:08:05 - 2:08:07)
right about there, a hundred fifty something.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:07 - 2:08:08)
A hundred and eighteen. So a hundred and eighteen units.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:08 - 2:08:10)
team units and that

[Speaker 9] (2:08:10 - 2:08:19)
I think we built around a twenty eight process, so it was rather just built strictly for our affordable housing to meet the the affordable housing requirement that we have from uh from

[Speaker 11] (2:08:19 - 2:08:21)
the From state. the state, right.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:21 - 2:08:22)
But the transit But that

[Speaker 8] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
the transit piece,

[Speaker 9] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
area

[Speaker 8] (2:08:22 - 2:08:23)
we is we

[Speaker 11] (2:08:23 - 2:08:23)
No.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:23 - 2:08:27)
often looked at as a transit zone, but that development was not built as a transit oriented development.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:28 - 2:08:28)
Right.

[Speaker 9] (2:08:29 - 2:08:29)
But

[Speaker 11] (2:08:29 - 2:08:47)
However, but uh when it was presented in front of the ZBA, there was a huge focus on the fact that, you know, why this is so good is because it's right near the train and there's gonna be, you know, a minimal amount of, you know, extra stress on parking, et cetera,

[Speaker 11] (2:08:47 - 2:08:48)
Right?

[Speaker 9] (2:08:48 - 2:08:50)
I had no doubt that was part of their narrative.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:50 - 2:08:55)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So I I'm I just wanna bring up like what does this do to

[Speaker 11] (2:08:56 - 2:08:59)
When we have a development, what does a development

[Speaker 1] (2:09:05 - 2:09:06)
streets?

[Speaker 2] (2:09:06 - 2:09:06)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:09 - 2:09:18)
There would no doubt be an impact, and it no doubt would not be um exactly as the things were discussed as the way Scott was being planned and developed. Um

[Speaker 3] (2:09:18 - 2:09:26)
Right now we rely on the fact that the address is on Essex Street and we don't issue residence stickers to people that don't live on a street that has a resident restriction.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:28 - 2:09:33)
But clearly the neighborhood there is a need there and we're just trying to meet that need.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:34 - 2:09:38)
How will you plan on distinguishing between the resident versus the recreation?

[Speaker 5] (2:09:39 - 2:09:39)
It's a different

[Speaker 4] (2:09:39 - 2:09:40)
Sticker.

[Speaker 5] (2:09:40 - 2:09:40)
sticker.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:40 - 2:09:40)
Or a different

[Speaker 1] (2:09:40 - 2:09:40)
Different sticker.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:40 - 2:09:41)
sticker.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:41 - 2:09:41)
Different sticker.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:41 - 2:09:42)
Right, it's a totally different

[Speaker 1] (2:09:42 - 2:09:43)
Colour.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:43 - 2:09:43)
uh thing.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:43 - 2:09:43)
I think.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:43 - 2:09:57)
It is a different sticker. The um recreation sticker has been used in the past to not only handle things like uh certain beach parking, but we've also used it as a default to give people a way to park in certain areas like the train station.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:57 - 2:10:05)
So it's it's gotten an expanded use and uh we're gonna propose later on that we stop using the recreation sticker that way.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:05 - 2:10:10)
way and we view either resident parking time or some sort of paid parking option in those spots.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:11 - 2:10:14)
And would you have a separate zone for commuter parking?

[Speaker 3] (2:10:15 - 2:10:17)
That would just fall into this general green zone here.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:17 - 2:10:20)
Right now it's resident around that area or it's in the lot.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:21 - 2:10:22)
Isn't there rec parking over there?

[Speaker 1] (2:10:22 - 2:10:24)
There's rec parking over there.

[Speaker 6] (2:10:24 - 2:10:25)
On one, on cut uh

[Speaker 3] (2:10:25 - 2:10:27)
Yeah, that's like I said, so we use the rec parking

[Speaker 7] (2:10:27 - 2:10:27)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:10:27 - 2:10:27)
sticker

[Speaker 7] (2:10:27 - 2:10:27)
you're saying.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:27 - 2:10:35)
for a different different reasons and one of them is there's a whole stretch along Columbia on the train station side where we allow a rec sticker parking right now.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:36 - 2:10:40)
Later in the proposal we're going to get to the idea that maybe that should be timed or paid parking.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:41 - 2:10:44)
So that at least if well okay so we have an issue with.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:45 - 2:10:50)
that in that I want to be able to protect that mostly for Swampscott residents if possible,

[Speaker 3] (2:10:50 - 2:10:51)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:10:51 - 2:11:00)
as opposed if you had time for paid parking and you can then allow it to open to the entire North Shore community who may want to come to Swampscott station.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:00 - 2:11:03)
And where it is they could be normally parking in the MBTA lot.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:03 - 2:11:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:03 - 2:11:12)
I guess that's uh there's some complexity to that. But my original question for asking you that was about commuter parking was that if it's only located into, let's say, the green zone, I think that's

[Speaker 4] (2:11:13 - 2:11:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:13 - 2:11:14)
Yes, it is right.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:14 - 2:11:14)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:16 - 2:11:19)
Only residents in said zone can get said sticker,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:20 - 2:11:20)
correct?

[Speaker 3] (2:11:20 - 2:11:21)
This is correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:21 - 2:11:21)
Yes

[Speaker 4] (2:11:21 - 2:11:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:11:21 - 2:11:26)
Whereas if you had a commuter zone specifically should be available to all Swamp Scott residents,

[Speaker 4] (2:11:27 - 2:11:29)
that be a potential fourth.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:30 - 2:11:30)
No, I think if

[Speaker 8] (2:11:30 - 2:11:31)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:11:31 - 2:11:31)
you're

[Speaker 8] (2:11:31 - 2:11:31)
guess.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:31 - 2:11:38)
suggesting that it would be a signage, and this is something that we would have to really think about more deeply, but it would be a signage thing that this is a commuter spot,

[Speaker 6] (2:11:38 - 2:11:47)
because right now a resident on Pine Street that has resident only parking and a resident sticker could be very negatively impacted by that area now becoming any

[Speaker 8] (2:11:47 - 2:11:48)
Community.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:48 - 2:11:49)
resident of

[Speaker 4] (2:11:49 - 2:11:50)
That can.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:50 - 2:11:53)
Swampscott to protect it for citizens, residents, as you said.

[Speaker 6] (2:11:54 - 2:12:13)
Something that's resident only right now for them is now becoming commuter for the the full community. So it's just a it's a question to ask. The idea that you're talking about on protecting Columbia and not letting it become something if we're gonna say rec sticker doesn't get you it would just be you know any Swamp Scott it would be a signage question that any Swamp Scott resident

[Speaker 4] (2:12:13 - 2:12:13)
All zones.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:13 - 2:12:15)
sticker also yeah all zone

[Speaker 1] (2:12:15 - 2:12:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:15 - 2:12:16)
parking

[Speaker 9] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
All

[Speaker 4] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
there

[Speaker 6] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
Swamp

[Speaker 9] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
zones

[Speaker 4] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
you go.

[Speaker 9] (2:12:16 - 2:12:16)
parking.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:16 - 2:12:20)
Scott all zone parking and that's the type of thing that the group that

[Speaker 10] (2:12:21 - 2:12:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:21 - 2:12:29)
Captain Cable and this group of professional staff would come back to you saying we heard your concern does it here a couple options that we we

[Speaker 4] (2:12:29 - 2:12:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:12:29 - 2:12:35)
think that certainly you could continue to provide that feedback as we move closer to any implementation at all

[Speaker 10] (2:12:35 - 2:12:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:35 - 2:12:41)
I think what I might ask the board is not to,

[Speaker 10] (2:12:41 - 2:12:42)
like,

[Speaker 10] (2:12:42 - 2:12:43)
this is a one.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:44 - 2:12:46)
The multi-zoned distinction,

[Speaker 10] (2:12:47 - 2:12:49)
let's not go too deep into which roads

[Speaker 6] (2:12:49 - 2:12:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:49 - 2:13:00)
are on which list because this is just a suggestion. We can come back and talk about it more broadly because I think we could probably spend all night determining why the lines are where they are and we'll go down a rabbit hole that's unnecessary.

[Speaker 10] (2:13:01 - 2:13:05)
Let's think about it as a broad concept of is three zones the right amount of zones?

[Speaker 10] (2:13:06 - 2:13:07)
Do we want a commuter zone?

[Speaker 10] (2:13:07 - 2:13:11)
Is there something more more of these broad ideas rather than coming so

[Speaker 6] (2:13:11 - 2:13:11)
We

[Speaker 10] (2:13:11 - 2:13:11)
far into

[Speaker 6] (2:13:11 - 2:13:11)
can push

[Speaker 10] (2:13:11 - 2:13:11)
the detail?

[Speaker 6] (2:13:11 - 2:13:13)
the string later on what's where.

[Speaker 10] (2:13:13 - 2:13:15)
Yep. That's what I'm saying.

[Speaker 6] (2:13:15 - 2:13:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:13:15 - 2:13:16)
Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:16 - 2:13:17)
Yeah, absolutely.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:17 - 2:13:20)
I'd just like to present this is absolutely a starting point.

[Speaker 10] (2:13:20 - 2:13:21)
Yep. Got it.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:21 - 2:13:22)
No question.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:22 - 2:13:25)
So if we could just jump ahead to the next slide.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:27 - 2:13:27)
Street.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:27 - 2:13:34)
With the script they had a couple of these uh they included the list of individual streets which is there for all of you to reference um that we would be

[Speaker 10] (2:13:35 - 2:13:43)
I will say on the sidebar, not specific to each seat, it says the idea is, the suggestion is stickers must be renewed annually,

[Speaker 10] (2:13:43 - 2:13:47)
a nominal fee covers administration costs, sticker production and sign maintenance.

[Speaker 10] (2:13:47 - 2:13:50)
I think we should talk about that.

[Speaker 10] (2:13:51 - 2:14:05)
because of every single resident is required to have a sticker should like how I want to know how much it's costing before am I going to agree to a fee what does the fee look like is it a couple bucks or are we talking about every year that's going to cost them like we do charge for rec is there can we

[Speaker 12] (2:14:06 - 2:14:07)
It's not every resident, man. It's just

[Speaker 10] (2:14:07 - 2:14:07)
Right.

[Speaker 12] (2:14:07 - 2:14:08)
these three zones.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:08 - 2:14:11)
Yep. No, it's ev so the whole town is gonna be in A zone.

[Speaker 12] (2:14:11 - 2:14:13)
No, I don't think so.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:13 - 2:14:14)
Is that not right?

[Speaker 3] (2:14:14 - 2:14:14)
If I speak again?

[Speaker 12] (2:14:14 - 2:14:15)
Every

[Speaker 10] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15)
Oh, the whole

[Speaker 12] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15)
single

[Speaker 10] (2:14:15 - 2:14:15)
town town is A

[Speaker 12] (2:14:15 - 2:14:16)
is

[Speaker 10] (2:14:16 - 2:14:16)
zone,

[Speaker 12] (2:14:16 - 2:14:16)
gonna is

[Speaker 10] (2:14:16 - 2:14:16)
right?

[Speaker 12] (2:14:16 - 2:14:17)
in a zone?

[Speaker 3] (2:14:17 - 2:14:17)
The

[Speaker 12] (2:14:17 - 2:14:17)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:17 - 2:14:17)
so

[Speaker 4] (2:14:17 - 2:14:18)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:14:18 - 2:14:22)
people in those particular zones would be eligible for that particular colour,

[Speaker 10] (2:14:22 - 2:14:22)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:14:22 - 2:14:25)
but but they're not we're not restricting every street in town. So

[Speaker 10] (2:14:25 - 2:14:25)
right.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:25 - 2:14:28)
there's plenty of streets where there'll be open parking.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:28 - 2:14:28)
Not

[Speaker 12] (2:14:28 - 2:14:28)
Like

[Speaker 4] (2:14:28 - 2:14:28)
listening.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:28 - 2:14:31)
now. Yeah, that's all the more reason not to charge, 'cause if I live on a street today that is

[Speaker 10] (2:14:31 - 2:14:32)
is green now

[Speaker 12] (2:14:32 - 2:14:33)
It's

[Speaker 10] (2:14:33 - 2:14:33)
all

[Speaker 12] (2:14:33 - 2:14:33)
not

[Speaker 10] (2:14:33 - 2:14:33)
of a sudden

[Speaker 12] (2:14:33 - 2:14:33)
green.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:33 - 2:14:33)
yeah

[Speaker 6] (2:14:33 - 2:14:34)
That's fair feedback.

[Speaker 12] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:34 - 2:14:34)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:34 - 2:14:36)
yeah so Yeah. just thinking about it

[Speaker 6] (2:14:36 - 2:14:37)
There are some streets not listed,

[Speaker 6] (2:14:37 - 2:14:37)
too,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:37 - 2:14:37)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:14:37 - 2:14:38)
on

[Speaker 10] (2:14:38 - 2:14:38)
that's

[Speaker 6] (2:14:38 - 2:14:38)
there.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:38 - 2:14:38)
because

[Speaker 10] (2:14:38 - 2:14:38)
exactly what he

[Speaker 1] (2:14:38 - 2:14:38)
not every

[Speaker 10] (2:14:38 - 2:14:39)
just pointed

[Speaker 1] (2:14:39 - 2:14:39)
street

[Speaker 10] (2:14:39 - 2:14:39)
out not

[Speaker 1] (2:14:39 - 2:14:39)
has

[Speaker 10] (2:14:39 - 2:14:39)
every

[Speaker 1] (2:14:39 - 2:14:40)
a

[Speaker 10] (2:14:40 - 2:14:40)
street

[Speaker 1] (2:14:40 - 2:14:40)
zone.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:40 - 2:14:42)
i assumed every resident was in a zone which

[Speaker 6] (2:14:42 - 2:14:43)
They

[Speaker 10] (2:14:43 - 2:14:43)
is not

[Speaker 6] (2:14:43 - 2:14:43)
do,

[Speaker 10] (2:14:43 - 2:14:43)
true okay

[Speaker 6] (2:14:43 - 2:14:46)
right, based upon the map and looking at the streets not Every to get into

[Speaker 4] (2:14:46 - 2:14:46)
resident

[Speaker 6] (2:14:46 - 2:14:46)
the detail.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:46 - 2:14:47)
is

[Speaker 3] (2:14:47 - 2:14:47)
Every

[Speaker 4] (2:14:47 - 2:14:47)
in a resident zone, but not

[Speaker 3] (2:14:47 - 2:14:48)
will be every eligible

[Speaker 4] (2:14:48 - 2:14:48)
street.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:48 - 2:14:49)
for a sticker of

[Speaker 6] (2:14:49 - 2:14:49)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:49 - 2:14:53)
their zone even if you live on a street that's not particularly restricted.

[Speaker 6] (2:14:54 - 2:14:54)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:54 - 2:14:55)
got it because not everything

[Speaker 4] (2:14:55 - 2:14:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:55 - 2:14:56)
is resident only so

[Speaker 3] (2:14:56 - 2:14:57)
Yes, but we

[Speaker 10] (2:14:57 - 2:14:57)
you've only

[Speaker 3] (2:14:57 - 2:14:58)
haven't

[Speaker 10] (2:14:58 - 2:14:58)
given

[Speaker 3] (2:14:58 - 2:14:58)
felt the need.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:58 - 2:14:59)
The need to restrict every street.

[Speaker 10] (2:14:59 - 2:15:00)
streets that are resident

[Speaker 6] (2:15:00 - 2:15:00)
I

[Speaker 10] (2:15:00 - 2:15:00)
only right

[Speaker 6] (2:15:00 - 2:15:01)
see.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
now

[Speaker 3] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:01 - 2:15:01)
all

[Speaker 3] (2:15:01 - 2:15:02)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:02 - 2:15:03)
I see. Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:03 - 2:15:05)
the non sort of grade streets

[Speaker 6] (2:15:05 - 2:15:05)
Or

[Speaker 10] (2:15:05 - 2:15:06)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
non

[Speaker 10] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
normal

[Speaker 6] (2:15:06 - 2:15:06)
-graded.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:06 - 2:15:11)
streets they they live in a zone and they can get the appropriate sticker to park on those streets got

[Speaker 3] (2:15:11 - 2:15:11)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:11 - 2:15:16)
it so every resident has eligibility to be in a zone yes got it thank

[Speaker 12] (2:15:16 - 2:15:16)
I absolutely

[Speaker 10] (2:15:16 - 2:15:17)
you as

[Speaker 12] (2:15:17 - 2:15:17)
understand that.

[Speaker 6] (2:15:17 - 2:15:18)
As a starting point, we're

[Speaker 10] (2:15:18 - 2:15:18)
a yeah

[Speaker 6] (2:15:18 - 2:15:18)
happy

[Speaker 10] (2:15:18 - 2:15:19)
yeah

[Speaker 6] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
to

[Speaker 10] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
yeah

[Speaker 6] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
take

[Speaker 10] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
correct

[Speaker 6] (2:15:19 - 2:15:19)
feedback.

[Speaker 10] (2:15:19 - 2:15:20)
correct

[Speaker 1] (2:15:21 - 2:15:25)
I'm going to need real clarity on what the problem really is. Like, it just seems like...

[Speaker 10] (2:15:26 - 2:15:27)
what the problem is What where.

[Speaker 1] (2:15:27 - 2:15:44)
is the problem? Like, we're looking at getting stickers out for everybody and rezoning the rezoning the town. What is the actual problem? Is the problem that like we're not able to write parking stickers because when you drive by you

[Speaker 1] (2:15:45 - 2:15:53)
You have to have a you have to see a color in order to drive by I'm like why are we going through this this whole thing here What is the actual problem

[Speaker 10] (2:15:53 - 2:15:54)
Are the problem we trying

[Speaker 1] (2:15:54 - 2:15:54)
that

[Speaker 10] (2:15:54 - 2:15:54)
to we're solve?

[Speaker 1] (2:15:54 - 2:15:56)
solving? Yeah, what is the problem? We're trying to solve

[Speaker 10] (2:15:56 - 2:16:00)
People parking in the right in the parts of town they're eligible to park in.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:00 - 2:16:00)
Mm-hmm

[Speaker 10] (2:16:00 - 2:16:04)
Not taking up spots for people who Right. live in those neighbourhoods who want to park in them.

[Speaker 1] (2:16:04 - 2:16:05)
Right

[Speaker 12] (2:16:05 - 2:16:06)
In this district.

[Speaker 10] (2:16:06 - 2:16:10)
And giving the ability for the police to manage that in a way that is

[Speaker 1] (2:16:10 - 2:16:15)
So this is more focused on better police management,

[Speaker 1] (2:16:15 - 2:16:16)
is that what we would say here?

[Speaker 3] (2:16:16 - 2:16:17)
That's, well no,

[Speaker 3] (2:16:18 - 2:16:24)
that's absolutely a function of what will happen. We will be able to better manage this because it will be a defined area and a visual cue.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:24 - 2:16:27)
You won't have to stop, see the same sticker and run the plate.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:27 - 2:16:35)
The problem as I understand it that we're solving is the town-wide, how do we use our resources, who's eligible to park near the beach.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:35 - 2:16:35)
each

[Speaker 12] (2:16:35 - 2:16:35)
Alright.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:35 - 2:16:40)
what's the balance between the residents being able to park in front of their own house or not. I mean, you

[Speaker 12] (2:16:40 - 2:16:40)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:40 - 2:16:44)
as I said, I think Twelfth could be really conducive to a one zone. Let's just you

[Speaker 12] (2:16:44 - 2:16:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:16:44 - 2:17:00)
know, it could be just residents and and park anywhere, um or it could be it could be broken up like this because people don't want to have these small handful of streets totally clogged and unable to park in front of their house on Phillips Beach or at the train station.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:00 - 2:17:00)
So they

[Speaker 10] (2:17:00 - 2:17:01)
Or on the

[Speaker 6] (2:17:01 - 2:17:01)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:17:01 - 2:17:04)
Reuben was in, I think, a month ago roughly

[Speaker 3] (2:17:04 - 2:17:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:04 - 2:17:10)
at this point, maybe six weeks, and the idea, we discussed that we were gonna come back with a way to manage enforcement of parking.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:10 - 2:17:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:17:10 - 2:17:10)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:10 - 2:17:20)
This is the attempt at that. And so if we do it piecemeal and say we need to just have paid parking on Humphrey, it will immediately be

[Speaker 10] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
Impact

[Speaker 6] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
forced

[Speaker 10] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
other

[Speaker 6] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
up into

[Speaker 10] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
neighbourhoods.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:20 - 2:17:21)
the neighbourhoods.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:22 - 2:17:32)
So people, that is one concern. When we talk about enforcement now, which you have all highlighted as a real priority, that you want the police force to have clear direction that parking enforcement,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:32 - 2:17:37)
not just primarily on Humphrey, but not only on Humphrey, is vitally important.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:37 - 2:17:44)
Right now, someone with a resident sticker that takes the train in that lives on the other side of town that's on a restricted street can park on Pine.

[Speaker 6] (2:17:45 - 2:17:50)
We have no direction that's given to the police department nor to the resident as to whether or not they're within a reasonable distance,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:50 - 2:17:54)
which is the idea that we then ask the police to enforce.

[Speaker 1] (2:17:54 - 2:17:55)
Well,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:55 - 2:17:55)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:17:55 - 2:17:55)
so yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:17:55 - 2:17:59)
that requires them to go down the street and see, okay, this car does have a sticker.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:00 - 2:18:03)
I still need to run the plate because I don't know whether or not they live here.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:03 - 2:18:03)
exactly.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:03 - 2:18:07)
I don't know whether or not they run, they live within a reasonable distance.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:07 - 2:18:08)
I don't know if

[Speaker 10] (2:18:08 - 2:18:08)
What

[Speaker 6] (2:18:08 - 2:18:08)
they're a street

[Speaker 10] (2:18:08 - 2:18:08)
is

[Speaker 6] (2:18:08 - 2:18:08)
away.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:08 - 2:18:09)
a reasonable distance?

[Speaker 6] (2:18:09 - 2:18:11)
It, what is reasonable distance is a basic.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:11 - 2:18:15)
basic question, but on top of all that, it also lends itself to citizen directed

[Speaker 6] (2:18:15 - 2:18:16)
enforcement

[Speaker 12] (2:18:16 - 2:18:17)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:17 - 2:18:23)
that's like I don't know that car out front a call goes into the police department the police go that is not the way we should be operating we're

[Speaker 12] (2:18:23 - 2:18:23)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:23 - 2:18:23)
not

[Speaker 10] (2:18:23 - 2:18:23)
We

[Speaker 6] (2:18:23 - 2:18:23)
giving

[Speaker 10] (2:18:23 - 2:18:24)
need to

[Speaker 6] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24)
them

[Speaker 10] (2:18:24 - 2:18:24)
give clarity.

[Speaker 6] (2:18:24 - 2:18:42)
the tools they need to have clarity in their enforcement and we're not being clear with the residents that you you've gone 300 yards at 250 is when you're going to get yourself a ticket or you've gone three streets and you can only go two streets over and now you're going to get we need to be able to define for residents and police what the enforcement is

[Speaker 6] (2:18:42 - 2:18:49)
is and this is a direct result of the idea that you all want us to come up with a way that gives them the tools to do the enforcement

[Speaker 1] (2:18:49 - 2:18:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:18:49 - 2:18:54)
I mean, ask any resident on Blaney why this is a because like as

[Speaker 3] (2:18:54 - 2:18:55)
That's right.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
parking gets

[Speaker 4] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:55 - 2:18:58)
filled up people res residents will park on Blaney.

[Speaker 4] (2:18:58 - 2:18:58)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:58 - 2:19:05)
It says residents only like I live on Banks Terrace. Am I a resident on Blaney? No. Am I close enough? I don't know. Maybe.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:05 - 2:19:05)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:05 - 2:19:14)
I still want to like uh go to all these great businesses and so I park and then a res a true resident of Blaney.

[Speaker 5] (2:19:15 - 2:19:15)
Can't park.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:15 - 2:19:16)
Can't park.

[Speaker 6] (2:19:16 - 2:19:28)
So is it, wouldn't it be the definition of resident is X, so could we just change the definition of what is, could we just be clear on what the definition of resident is?

[Speaker 6] (2:19:29 - 2:19:35)
And then as the police go by and they run the plate, how long does it actually take to run a plate?

[Speaker 7] (2:19:36 - 2:19:40)
Say you pull over, you run the plate, depends on the speed of the computer, probably a minute or two.

[Speaker 6] (2:19:40 - 2:19:40)
Minute.

[Speaker 6] (2:19:40 - 2:19:46)
Run the plate, two minutes, and that is not a Blaney Street car.

[Speaker 6] (2:19:46 - 2:19:47)
Wouldn't that take

[Speaker 7] (2:19:47 - 2:19:50)
I away would say though that it just respectfully,

[Speaker 7] (2:19:50 - 2:19:52)
you know, that's two minutes. If you drive down Pine Street,

[Speaker 7] (2:19:52 - 2:19:54)
there's probably forty cars.

[Speaker 8] (2:19:54 - 2:19:54)
You could find six.

[Speaker 7] (2:19:55 - 2:19:56)
So one minute

[Speaker 6] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
Running

[Speaker 7] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
to two

[Speaker 6] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
over

[Speaker 7] (2:19:56 - 2:19:57)
in minute

[Speaker 6] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
time.

[Speaker 7] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
per car

[Speaker 1] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
40 minutes.

[Speaker 7] (2:19:57 - 2:19:58)
does

[Speaker 6] (2:19:58 - 2:19:58)
40 cars

[Speaker 7] (2:19:58 - 2:19:58)
ten

[Speaker 6] (2:19:58 - 2:19:59)
on Pine Street? Or

[Speaker 7] (2:19:59 - 2:20:01)
That that that may be an exaggeration, but

[Speaker 1] (2:20:01 - 2:20:01)
I that mean

[Speaker 7] (2:20:01 - 2:20:07)
the point is, is that it adds up really fast. It sounds small when you say a minute or two to run the plate, get the information to go out,

[Speaker 9] (2:20:07 - 2:20:08)
They're doing that

[Speaker 7] (2:20:08 - 2:20:08)
but

[Speaker 9] (2:20:08 - 2:20:08)
ten

[Speaker 7] (2:20:08 - 2:20:08)
when you're trying

[Speaker 9] (2:20:08 - 2:20:08)
point

[Speaker 7] (2:20:08 - 2:20:09)
to enforce

[Speaker 9] (2:20:09 - 2:20:09)
three

[Speaker 7] (2:20:09 - 2:20:09)
parking

[Speaker 9] (2:20:09 - 2:20:09)
times.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:09 - 2:20:10)
on a street or a neighborhood,

[Speaker 9] (2:20:10 - 2:20:10)
I get the point.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:10 - 2:20:11)
it turns

[Speaker 9] (2:20:11 - 2:20:11)
I get the point.

[Speaker 7] (2:20:11 - 2:20:13)
what might be fifteen minutes working to

[Speaker 1] (2:20:13 - 2:20:14)
That's not the highest in

[Speaker 7] (2:20:14 - 2:20:14)
the walk.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:14 - 2:20:15)
country in time of police force.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:15 - 2:20:18)
Parking enforcement is not the priority that we ask

[Speaker 1] (2:20:18 - 2:20:18)
No.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:18 - 2:20:20)
if there's a call for literally

[Speaker 6] (2:20:20 - 2:20:20)
Correct.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:20 - 2:20:20)
anything else.

[Speaker 6] (2:20:20 - 2:20:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:20:21 - 2:20:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (2:20:22 - 2:20:24)
Have we considered uh a meter maid or

[Speaker 1] (2:20:25 - 2:20:25)
We

[Speaker 10] (2:20:25 - 2:20:29)
Yeah, we're exploring that and we've had initial discussions with what that could look like,

[Speaker 6] (2:20:30 - 2:20:30)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:30 - 2:20:34)
uh both with leadership and the union. So yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:20:34 - 2:20:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:35 - 2:20:41)
that to me that's also an integral part of if we're going to talk about paid parking on in the Humphrey corridor.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:41 - 2:20:48)
We need to know that there is a way to staff that so that it is one person or two pers that are going up and down

[Speaker 11] (2:20:48 - 2:20:48)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:48 - 2:20:55)
whether it's two hours or less or more someone that can focus on that and does not does not get called away to a citizen in distress or

[Speaker 6] (2:20:55 - 2:20:56)
What does last

[Speaker 10] (2:20:56 - 2:20:56)
a car

[Speaker 6] (2:20:56 - 2:20:56)
questions

[Speaker 10] (2:20:56 - 2:20:56)
accident

[Speaker 1] (2:20:56 - 2:20:56)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:20:56 - 2:20:57)
or

[Speaker 6] (2:20:57 - 2:20:57)
mean?

[Speaker 10] (2:20:57 - 2:21:08)
something happening somewhere else in town. And the idea with that would be that a shift is like there's enforcement at the train, there's enforcement not Humphrey, there's enforcement in Vernon because these are

[Speaker 10] (2:21:08 - 2:21:10)
high enforcement areas that everyone

[Speaker 1] (2:21:10 - 2:21:10)
The

[Speaker 10] (2:21:10 - 2:21:10)
has agreed

[Speaker 1] (2:21:10 - 2:21:11)
traffic

[Speaker 10] (2:21:11 - 2:21:11)
are

[Speaker 1] (2:21:11 - 2:21:11)
area.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:11 - 2:21:12)
priorities, high traffic,

[Speaker 11] (2:21:12 - 2:21:12)
Yep, right.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:12 - 2:21:14)
and we want to make sure that they're focused

[Speaker 11] (2:21:14 - 2:21:14)
Business.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:14 - 2:21:21)
on that there's turnover on Humphrey to support the businesses, that there's only the right people with the right permitting park,

[Speaker 10] (2:21:21 - 2:21:22)
the right permitting, not the right people,

[Speaker 10] (2:21:22 - 2:21:29)
the right permitting park that the train. And in the same in the been in it's not it's not I think we talked about DoorDash Uber driver

[Speaker 12] (2:21:29 - 2:21:30)
Yep.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:30 - 2:21:30)
Uber Eats.

[Speaker 11] (2:21:30 - 2:21:31)
Parking in the fire

[Speaker 10] (2:21:31 - 2:21:32)
Parking

[Speaker 11] (2:21:32 - 2:21:32)
lane.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:32 - 2:21:35)
in fire and running in. If we know that we have someone that can circulate and do those

[Speaker 10] (2:21:35 - 2:21:50)
do those things and give the police the time they need to be r responding to actual calls that we prioritise for them and they would prioritise, that's the idea and we had initial discussions, I d I think all three of these things go together if we're talking about instituting any

[Speaker 6] (2:21:50 - 2:21:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:50 - 2:21:51)
sort of metered parking

[Speaker 11] (2:21:51 - 2:21:51)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:51 - 2:21:52)
in any

[Speaker 1] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52)
I think that's

[Speaker 10] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52)
area. It's

[Speaker 1] (2:21:52 - 2:21:57)
got to be a multi-prong approach because as soon as you change one thing, it will bleed into

[Speaker 10] (2:21:57 - 2:21:57)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:21:57 - 2:21:57)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:21:57 - 2:21:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (2:21:57 - 2:21:57)
next.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:57 - 2:22:00)
problem will bleed somewhere else. This doesn't solve the problem.

[Speaker 10] (2:22:00 - 2:22:01)
Water finds its level.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:01 - 2:22:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:01 - 2:22:03)
So, so there was the sorry.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:04 - 2:22:07)
So my question while you're on this slide and the next slide,

[Speaker 13] (2:22:07 - 2:22:12)
some of these streets I know that are highlighted are currently no parking streets.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:12 - 2:22:13)
So what's the

[Speaker 13] (2:22:14 - 2:22:17)
reasoning for some of those to go from no parking to resident only?

[Speaker 7] (2:22:17 - 2:22:20)
So not all those streets and no parking in the entirety of the street.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:20 - 2:22:29)
I actually had a report that I submitted with this and basically what that's indicating is any place that it wasn't restricted is no parking or in another way would become resident.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:29 - 2:22:30)
Okay,

[Speaker 11] (2:22:30 - 2:22:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:30 - 2:22:31)
so if it's already no parking,

[Speaker 13] (2:22:31 - 2:22:33)
we're not suggesting changing it to away

[Speaker 7] (2:22:33 - 2:22:34)
No,

[Speaker 13] (2:22:34 - 2:22:34)
from no parking.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:34 - 2:22:34)
absolutely not.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:34 - 2:22:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 7] (2:22:35 - 2:22:36)
But if there was any unregulated spaces,

[Speaker 7] (2:22:36 - 2:22:37)
they'd become resident.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:37 - 2:22:37)
understood.

[Speaker 13] (2:22:38 - 2:22:38)
Okay,

[Speaker 13] (2:22:38 - 2:22:39)
thanks for clarifying.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:40 - 2:22:42)
Going back to what you asked about the uh

[Speaker 7] (2:22:42 - 2:22:50)
alternatives of enforcement, this kind of structure is what would at least lay the groundwork for you to begin to explore that.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:50 - 2:22:50)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:50 - 2:22:52)
Right now you couldn't bring in a

[Speaker 6] (2:22:52 - 2:22:52)
Wait.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:52 - 2:22:57)
parking meter maid that could run plates to see if the people lived there. Like under this structure

[Speaker 6] (2:22:57 - 2:22:57)
Wait.

[Speaker 7] (2:22:57 - 2:23:00)
they would I guess have to knock on every door and ask if it was their car.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:00 - 2:23:00)
Alright.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:00 - 2:23:07)
So some of these changes what will lay the groundwork to at least explore the idea that someone besides a police officer could.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:07 - 2:23:09)
put actually do this.

[Speaker 11] (2:23:09 - 2:23:10)
Okay, awesome.

[Speaker 10] (2:23:10 - 2:23:21)
So how does, in your initial supposition, in the beginning of the presentation, you talked about if it's timed parking related

[Speaker 7] (2:23:21 - 2:23:21)
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 10] (2:23:21 - 2:23:23)
that you have to go by, it's the inefficient,

[Speaker 10] (2:23:24 - 2:23:24)
right,

[Speaker 10] (2:23:24 - 2:23:27)
someone moves the car, totally understand.

[Speaker 10] (2:23:27 - 2:23:30)
How does any of the signage help with

[Speaker 13] (2:23:31 - 2:23:34)
the timed parking. I know s I mean unless you're presenting a different solution for

[Speaker 7] (2:23:34 - 2:23:35)
Yes,

[Speaker 13] (2:23:35 - 2:23:35)
that,

[Speaker 7] (2:23:35 - 2:23:35)
yes.

[Speaker 13] (2:23:35 - 2:23:36)
then I I don't I'm not sure.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:36 - 2:23:37)
about that's what we'll talk

[Speaker 11] (2:23:37 - 2:23:37)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (2:23:37 - 2:23:37)
about

[Speaker 11] (2:23:37 - 2:23:37)
we

[Speaker 7] (2:23:37 - 2:23:39)
on the options of paid parking.

[Speaker 13] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:41 - 2:23:43)
I think we can skip a couple slides till we get to

[Speaker 10] (2:23:46 - 2:23:46)
Hey.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:46 - 2:23:47)
There we go.

[Speaker 10] (2:23:47 - 2:23:47)
I haven't started.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:47 - 2:23:48)
They next

[Speaker 10] (2:23:48 - 2:23:48)
No, I

[Speaker 1] (2:23:48 - 2:23:48)
slide.

[Speaker 13] (2:23:48 - 2:23:49)
was speaking to the mic.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:50 - 2:23:58)
Yes. So what we focused on here, uh ignore this map. I think that that's an A_I_ generated thing that doesn't quite fit.

[Speaker 7] (2:23:59 - 2:23:59)
But um

[Speaker 7] (2:24:00 - 2:24:05)
We talked about establishing some paid parking zones focusing on Humphrey Street from the Lynn line to Shelton Road.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:06 - 2:24:14)
That would be obviously something we discussed with the board and with the traffic committee to decide where that should actually be delineated,

[Speaker 7] (2:24:14 - 2:24:19)
but certainly we focused on the idea of Monument Ave to the fish house.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:19 - 2:24:25)
We counted up 195 spaces in that area. They're all heavily utilized right now.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:25 - 2:24:34)
No. We projected that even at a very modest cost of 50 cents per hour and even if that reduced utilization because right now that area,

[Speaker 7] (2:24:34 - 2:24:38)
although it's a hot spot, is not an area that people park and go someplace else,

[Speaker 6] (2:24:38 - 2:24:38)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:24:38 - 2:24:38)
right?

[Speaker 7] (2:24:38 - 2:24:51)
So almost all the cars that are shuffling around and they are residents, but mostly one of the big problems is employees of the same stores that want their customers to be able to park there. So the time, the paid parking

[Speaker 7] (2:24:51 - 2:25:01)
will, I think, free up some of those bases and even if we reduce reduce the usage a bit, if we get to fifty per cent usage just in the summer months um

[Speaker 7] (2:25:02 - 2:25:28)
and charge fifty cents an hour just for ten hours, say from seven to five, we projected that that would be about a hundred and eighty thousand dollars, which would allow it to pay for a parking enforcement programme, allow it to pay for signage, allow it to pay for road markings. Um right now those are all problems that we have, you know, we struggle like every community around here does with those sorts of things. And people can look where is a parking space? And a lot of places it's so faded you can't tell. This would allow us as a town to maintain

[Speaker 7] (2:25:28 - 2:25:32)
that open it up for our businesses and our customers.

[Speaker 7] (2:25:32 - 2:25:38)
So I know there's been some resistance to that, but that's why we did include this paid option.

[Speaker 1] (2:25:39 - 2:25:58)
Also in some like backwards way paid parking like at least through the apps I I would guess that it would create less ticketing sometimes because the app is prompting you your time is running out so like you're gonna go back to your car and move it hopefully or you're more aware of it it's not it's more actively happening

[Speaker 7] (2:25:58 - 2:26:00)
And jumping back to Mr. Spritzer's question,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:00 - 2:26:04)
this is where this would improve police enforcement because now it would be simply drive down.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:05 - 2:26:06)
Look for if it's

[Speaker 6] (2:26:06 - 2:26:06)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:06 - 2:26:07)
one of the kiosks, you know, it's just

[Speaker 6] (2:26:07 - 2:26:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:07 - 2:26:10)
look at the time on the ticket and write a ticket

[Speaker 6] (2:26:10 - 2:26:10)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:10 - 2:26:16)
and move on. And if it was a a paid parking out, we'd get some sort of readout

[Speaker 6] (2:26:16 - 2:26:16)
Computer generated.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:16 - 2:26:17)
that would just tell us who's in violation.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:18 - 2:26:18)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:18 - 2:26:24)
So it would tremendously improve the ability of us to conduct effective enforcement.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:24 - 2:26:24)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:26 - 2:26:28)
So, let's see what we got here.

[Speaker 10] (2:26:28 - 2:26:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:29 - 2:26:44)
This is Humphrey Street as we just talked about, commuter rail depot. We talked about changing some of those with the understanding that certainly that would open it up to out of town unless we also included resident only parking signs there and it would just be, as the administrator said,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:44 - 2:26:46)
a matter of the language,

[Speaker 7] (2:26:46 - 2:26:50)
not resident parking only with one of the color things. It could just be, you know.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:50 - 2:26:51)
Swamp's got residents only.

[Speaker 7] (2:26:53 - 2:27:09)
It would allow us to patrol our beaches or have somebody patrol the beaches and make sure that we are taken care of those areas which are a constant problem, in particular our school access areas, and as I said, allow us to maintain our signs and painting.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:09 - 2:27:11)
I think we can skip ahead.

[Speaker 10] (2:27:12 - 2:27:13)
It's the last one.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:16 - 2:27:32)
Yeah, but that's some repeated stuff here about the reclaim and control time, responsive administration, and fiscal self-sufficiency. It's all stuff we've talked about, um but these are the things that we would be recommending at some point the Select Board take action on,

[Speaker 7] (2:27:32 - 2:27:35)
which is the um parking committee.

[Speaker 7] (2:27:36 - 2:27:41)
That's really important. And then the uh the other proposals that we put up there.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:42 - 2:27:56)
So I think thank you very much appreciate that and I think maybe what we could action today is sort of conversation about just the traffic committee and then

[Speaker 1] (2:27:58 - 2:27:59)
If we support a traffic committee,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:59 - 2:28:03)
the first conversation of that traffic committee should be these proposals,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:03 - 2:28:03)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:03 - 2:28:05)
And we they could have some community meetings.

[Speaker 11] (2:28:05 - 2:28:06)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:06 - 2:28:12)
We could participate in that conversation in a future meeting also to sort of just break down I think next steps.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:13 - 2:28:13)
Does that make sense?

[Speaker 10] (2:28:14 - 2:28:18)
Yeah, I think we did not have on here that you would be voting on it,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
Okay,

[Speaker 10] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
so I think

[Speaker 1] (2:28:18 - 2:28:18)
take

[Speaker 10] (2:28:18 - 2:28:19)
ideally

[Speaker 1] (2:28:19 - 2:28:19)
a straw poll.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:20 - 2:28:25)
You certainly can. I think ideally it would be that we would at the next meeting put it on as an actual vote to

[Speaker 6] (2:28:25 - 2:28:25)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:25 - 2:28:26)
establish that.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:26 - 2:28:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 13] (2:28:26 - 2:28:26)
Mm.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:26 - 2:28:31)
So that you have an opportunity of public comment at the next meeting for someone to weigh in if they have particular

[Speaker 1] (2:28:31 - 2:28:31)
Sure.

[Speaker 10] (2:28:31 - 2:28:32)
issues or concerns.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:32 - 2:28:43)
Just do does anybody right now in discussion and not voting feel like there's an issue with the traffic establishing a employee employment employed being traffic committee not

[Speaker 14] (2:28:43 - 2:28:43)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:43 - 2:28:43)
a volunteer

[Speaker 14] (2:28:43 - 2:28:45)
I'm I'm not comfortable with an employee only.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:45 - 2:28:46)
only traffic committee.

[Speaker 14] (2:28:47 - 2:28:49)
Just it just doesn't sit right to me. And typical when we're talking

[Speaker 1] (2:29:00 - 2:29:11)
um uh organization within the organization there's i'm still digesting this i'm kind of think trying to think this through but something something about it doesn't sit

[Speaker 1] (2:29:12 - 2:29:16)
comfortably with me without having some additional um

[Speaker 1] (2:29:18 - 2:29:20)
Board appointed liaison or

[Speaker 2] (2:29:20 - 2:29:20)
Are we

[Speaker 1] (2:29:20 - 2:29:20)
something

[Speaker 2] (2:29:20 - 2:29:25)
expecting this traffic committee to do policymaking or operational?

[Speaker 3] (2:29:25 - 2:29:27)
We would make recommendations.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:27 - 2:29:28)
We have the board.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:28 - 2:29:30)
They would come to the select board for policy approval.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:30 - 2:29:34)
It's already happening, right? That's exactly what Yeah. you guys are doing right now. You're meeting together,

[Speaker 5] (2:29:34 - 2:29:34)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:34 - 2:29:37)
you're coming up with ideas that then come to us, right?

[Speaker 4] (2:29:37 - 2:29:38)
I mean essentially,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:38 - 2:29:45)
please fire Gino, Marzy, you're all having these conversations already, we're just formalizing it.

[Speaker 5] (2:29:45 - 2:29:45)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:46 - 2:29:46)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:29:46 - 2:29:46)
So this

[Speaker 2] (2:29:46 - 2:29:48)
putting it in public with a public meeting type

[Speaker 4] (2:29:48 - 2:29:48)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:48 - 2:29:48)
of protocol.

[Speaker 4] (2:29:48 - 2:29:55)
and actually we're making it more transparent because it's happening right now during work hours behind closed doors and you're saying we'll bring

[Speaker 6] (2:29:55 - 2:29:55)
That's

[Speaker 4] (2:29:55 - 2:29:55)
these

[Speaker 6] (2:29:55 - 2:29:55)
happening,

[Speaker 4] (2:29:55 - 2:29:55)
conversations

[Speaker 6] (2:29:55 - 2:29:56)
you're giving people,

[Speaker 2] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56)
absolutely

[Speaker 1] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56)
to

[Speaker 4] (2:29:56 - 2:29:56)
to

[Speaker 6] (2:29:56 - 2:29:57)
you'll give people

[Speaker 1] (2:29:57 - 2:29:57)
to

[Speaker 6] (2:29:57 - 2:29:57)
the reason

[Speaker 1] (2:29:57 - 2:29:57)
to rephrase

[Speaker 6] (2:29:57 - 2:29:58)
to come before you.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:58 - 2:30:00)
it, it's not happening behind closed doors.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:00 - 2:30:00)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:00 - 2:30:00)
It's what

[Speaker 4] (2:30:00 - 2:30:01)
it is

[Speaker 1] (2:30:01 - 2:30:01)
we do.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:01 - 2:30:02)
Yes, I

[Speaker 2] (2:30:02 - 2:30:02)
It's

[Speaker 4] (2:30:02 - 2:30:02)
mean I

[Speaker 2] (2:30:02 - 2:30:02)
your

[Speaker 4] (2:30:02 - 2:30:02)
mean it's

[Speaker 2] (2:30:02 - 2:30:02)
job.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:02 - 2:30:03)
part of our job.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:03 - 2:30:03)
Our job.

[Speaker 2] (2:30:04 - 2:30:04)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:04 - 2:30:05)
I mean like it's nefarious

[Speaker 6] (2:30:05 - 2:30:06)
Did you guys just sneak

[Speaker 4] (2:30:06 - 2:30:06)
or it's happening

[Speaker 6] (2:30:06 - 2:30:07)
into that conference

[Speaker 4] (2:30:07 - 2:30:07)
sneaking

[Speaker 6] (2:30:07 - 2:30:07)
room?

[Speaker 4] (2:30:07 - 2:30:08)
around in the conference

[Speaker 1] (2:30:08 - 2:30:09)
And

[Speaker 4] (2:30:09 - 2:30:09)
room,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:09 - 2:30:09)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:30:09 - 2:30:09)
but I mean it's

[Speaker 1] (2:30:09 - 2:30:10)
ideally

[Speaker 4] (2:30:10 - 2:30:10)
part

[Speaker 1] (2:30:10 - 2:30:10)
in this

[Speaker 4] (2:30:10 - 2:30:10)
of your

[Speaker 1] (2:30:10 - 2:30:10)
case.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:10 - 2:30:11)
job.

[Speaker 4] (2:30:10 - 2:30:11)
job happening

[Speaker 3] (2:30:11 - 2:30:11)
in this

[Speaker 4] (2:30:11 - 2:30:11)
right

[Speaker 3] (2:30:11 - 2:30:11)
case

[Speaker 4] (2:30:11 - 2:30:11)
now.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:11 - 2:30:26)
we would be posting what we anticipate talking about and if items are highlighted here that would be an alternative to come and sit speak to us about it in a public setting and we would ultimately always come back to you all with any Right. any recommendation

[Speaker 4] (2:30:26 - 2:30:26)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:26 - 2:30:27)
for any change

[Speaker 4] (2:30:27 - 2:30:29)
We hope help mold the policy.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:29 - 2:30:29)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:30:29 - 2:30:35)
and they the history behind that idea just to be clear and this is it is not unique to swampscott these

[Speaker 3] (2:30:35 - 2:30:38)
traffic advisory or traffic safety advisory committees

[Speaker 3] (2:30:39 - 2:30:42)
generally start with a bang and then

[Speaker 7] (2:30:42 - 2:30:43)
Is allowed you can't even get a quorum

[Speaker 3] (2:30:43 - 2:30:44)
that you can't get

[Speaker 7] (2:30:44 - 2:30:44)
Right

[Speaker 3] (2:30:44 - 2:30:52)
and it for a million different reasons whether it's timing of the day a lack of interest once the issue of concern is passed you know so

[Speaker 7] (2:30:52 - 2:30:52)
Exactly

[Speaker 3] (2:30:52 - 2:31:00)
the idea the idea is to formalize something that people can participate in before we come to you all with the final recommendations that's all we're seeking to do

[Speaker 1] (2:31:00 - 2:31:05)
The only reason I, it highlighted to me was there is a line here on the second

[Speaker 1] (2:31:04 - 2:31:06)
Second, third,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:06 - 2:31:14)
whichever page it is, operational mandates for new traffic committee last line equipped with decision-making authority to execute safety and signage improvements swiftly and efficiently.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:15 - 2:31:16)
So there

[Speaker 3] (2:31:16 - 2:31:16)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:31:16 - 2:31:16)
is some.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:16 - 2:31:24)
don't make any changes to signage or even the, and this is feedback that we need because this is the initial idea,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:24 - 2:31:31)
but right now we don't make like changes to signage. If someone says to Gino, I want you to change this street to X or Y,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:31 - 2:31:32)
he says I can't.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:32 - 2:31:34)
we have to go before the select board.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:34 - 2:31:34)
Hmm?

[Speaker 3] (2:31:34 - 2:31:55)
That won't change. We can strike that line. I'm describing exactly how we would like it to work and we can absolutely be back to you for a vote vote with something that highlights all the specifics for this and any other concerns that are raised and how we would anticipate the blocking and tackling of that public meeting. But this would be a meeting that we're saying it's posted,

[Speaker 3] (2:31:55 - 2:31:59)
come through this open door and sit with us while we talk about these things that we will ultimately

[Speaker 3] (2:31:59 - 2:32:00)
ultimately becoming the select board with.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:00 - 2:32:01)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:01 - 2:32:02)
This is also a traffic committee,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:02 - 2:32:03)
so parking is one component of that.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:03 - 2:32:04)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:04 - 2:32:06)
Speeding, speed bumps, speed signs,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:06 - 2:32:06)
radar signs.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:06 - 2:32:07)
I mean, that's what I've, I

[Speaker 4] (2:32:07 - 2:32:07)
Which

[Speaker 2] (2:32:07 - 2:32:07)
know what

[Speaker 4] (2:32:07 - 2:32:07)
is

[Speaker 2] (2:32:07 - 2:32:07)
the traffic

[Speaker 4] (2:32:07 - 2:32:08)
totally

[Speaker 2] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
committee wants

[Speaker 4] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
not

[Speaker 1] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:32:08 - 2:32:08)
about

[Speaker 4] (2:32:08 - 2:32:09)
part of that it.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:09 - 2:32:09)
that,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:09 - 2:32:09)
point.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:09 - 2:32:10)
and that was very helpful.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:10 - 2:32:10)
And

[Speaker 2] (2:32:10 - 2:32:13)
So thank you, Mary Ellen, for putting me in touch with the traffic committee six years ago.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:14 - 2:32:15)
Of course.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:15 - 2:32:18)
I don't want to have any involvement in where speed bumps are put.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:18 - 2:32:22)
I think that's why the police officers are in charge of that. And I'm happy to have no

[Speaker 4] (2:32:22 - 2:32:23)
Let

[Speaker 2] (2:32:23 - 2:32:23)
involvement

[Speaker 4] (2:32:23 - 2:32:23)
the experts,

[Speaker 2] (2:32:23 - 2:32:23)
in that.

[Speaker 8] (2:32:23 - 2:32:24)
It really

[Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
Let's

[Speaker 4] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
you're

[Speaker 3] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
say that.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:24 - 2:32:25)
not going to leave it to the experts,

[Speaker 3] (2:32:25 - 2:32:25)
Exactly.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:25 - 2:32:26)
and that's.

[Speaker 7] (2:32:26 - 2:32:26)
That's

[Speaker 3] (2:32:26 - 2:32:26)
But for example,

[Speaker 7] (2:32:26 - 2:32:26)
right.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:26 - 2:32:30)
that when Ruben was here a few weeks ago, I don't remember if you know was involved. Even the

[Speaker 2] (2:32:30 - 2:32:30)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:30 - 2:32:48)
request for a speed bump, we don't want to just say yes, no, because we don't think it's the right thing. We want to say we'll put out the mobile speed board and we will come back to you all with the final recommendation either saying this was requested, here's information on why we said no or it was requested and it's not one car that's speeding down.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:48 - 2:32:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (2:32:48 - 2:32:49)
37.

[Speaker 2] (2:32:49 - 2:32:49)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:49 - 2:32:53)
That's in because he's going, he or she is going to work and it just happened.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:52 - 2:32:57)
It just happens to be the same time of the resident that sees it. Instead it's like everyone's speeding.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:57 - 2:33:02)
We need to figure out what we can do, what are the ways to do it. Here are our recommendations. Do you guys want us to move forward?

[Speaker 1] (2:33:02 - 2:33:09)
So to Ted's point I think the question is who retains the authority to make those decisions. And to me that's more that's my that's my important.

[Speaker 10] (2:33:09 - 2:33:10)
Select board does maintain

[Speaker 3] (2:33:10 - 2:33:11)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (2:33:11 - 2:33:11)
the authority.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:11 - 2:33:13)
Just want to make sure that we're not yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:13 - 2:33:14)
Yeah, ceding any of that either.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:14 - 2:33:15)
Yes, ceding

[Speaker 10] (2:33:15 - 2:33:15)
I think just

[Speaker 1] (2:33:15 - 2:33:15)
ceding

[Speaker 10] (2:33:15 - 2:33:16)
take

[Speaker 1] (2:33:16 - 2:33:16)
any

[Speaker 10] (2:33:16 - 2:33:16)
out that

[Speaker 1] (2:33:16 - 2:33:16)
of that.

[Speaker 10] (2:33:16 - 2:33:17)
last line.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:17 - 2:33:18)
Strike it, right?

[Speaker 2] (2:33:19 - 2:33:26)
But also, but for things like I use safety and signage to me reads like speed bumps and

[Speaker 3] (2:33:26 - 2:33:26)
It is.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:26 - 2:33:32)
radar signs and stuff that we sh I have no interest in coming before this board because it's not our duty. That's

[Speaker 11] (2:33:32 - 2:33:32)
Agreed.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:32 - 2:33:34)
what we compensate the police department and Gino to

[Speaker 11] (2:33:34 - 2:33:42)
We are not the experts on everything just because we're sitting here, right? Nor are half of the committees in town because people volunteer for them. So,

[Speaker 2] (2:33:42 - 2:33:43)
But policy decisions are different.

[Speaker 11] (2:33:43 - 2:33:46)
you know, I nine times out of ten.

[Speaker 11] (2:33:46 - 2:33:49)
Times out of ten we're going to defer to what the experts

[Speaker 1] (2:33:49 - 2:33:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (2:33:49 - 2:33:51)
are are bringing to us as a recommendation.

[Speaker 3] (2:33:52 - 2:33:52)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (2:33:52 - 2:33:52)
So,

[Speaker 3] (2:33:52 - 2:33:52)
My

[Speaker 11] (2:33:52 - 2:33:53)
that's why

[Speaker 3] (2:33:53 - 2:33:53)
previous

[Speaker 11] (2:33:53 - 2:33:53)
we have a little

[Speaker 3] (2:33:53 - 2:34:04)
experience, and I think when we were discussing this plan and putting it together, what we would have envisioned is certainly any policy changes. We want to make this rotor one way, or we want to install this, but handicap parking,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:04 - 2:34:06)
that would come to the board as it always had.

[Speaker 3] (2:34:06 - 2:34:10)
But as you said, things like where we're going to place our speed boards,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:10 - 2:34:12)
I think talking about some of the signage in there,

[Speaker 3] (2:34:12 - 2:34:15)
that would probably be envisioned to be handled at the committee level.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:15 - 2:34:15)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:34:28 - 2:34:30)
For the community to take up.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:30 - 2:34:33)
So there is a community online form right now outside.

[Speaker 11] (2:34:33 - 2:34:33)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (2:34:33 - 2:34:33)
Oh,

[Speaker 11] (2:34:33 - 2:34:33)
yeah, it

[Speaker 4] (2:34:33 - 2:34:34)
it's not live,

[Speaker 11] (2:34:34 - 2:34:34)
will

[Speaker 4] (2:34:34 - 2:34:36)
but outside of see it click it fix it.

[Speaker 12] (2:34:36 - 2:34:37)
We still have see

[Speaker 4] (2:34:37 - 2:34:38)
We still have see it click fix.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:38 - 2:34:39)
That's where I send everybody.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:40 - 2:34:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:41 - 2:34:50)
Yep. And we use it for everything. There's like water coming down our street from an unknown place. We see a click it fix it. Somebody comes and checks it. So like

[Speaker 11] (2:34:52 - 2:34:52)
Alrighty.

[Speaker 11] (2:34:54 - 2:34:54)
Thank you, Joe.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:54 - 2:34:55)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:55 - 2:34:55)
It's a lot to thank think about

[Speaker 4] (2:34:55 - 2:34:55)
you very

[Speaker 1] (2:34:55 - 2:34:56)
appreciate it

[Speaker 4] (2:34:56 - 2:34:56)
much.

[Speaker 11] (2:34:56 - 2:34:56)
I'm going to

[Speaker 4] (2:34:56 - 2:34:57)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:34:57 - 2:34:57)
thank you very

[Speaker 4] (2:34:57 - 2:34:57)
will definitely,

[Speaker 1] (2:34:57 - 2:34:57)
much

[Speaker 4] (2:34:57 - 2:35:02)
this is the first of many conversations about this, so thank you for that.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:02 - 2:35:05)
When and how do you want us to provide specific feedback to you?

[Speaker 3] (2:35:05 - 2:35:17)
Directly to me, we directly, we can talk directly to me and then we'll highlight any changes. Certainly the one Wayne suggested would be one of them.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:18 - 2:35:23)
And any other feedback we get we would ideally love to make sure it is posted before you vote because

[Speaker 2] (2:35:23 - 2:35:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:23 - 2:35:26)
we want that to be a meeting where people are here to talk about it and

[Speaker 2] (2:35:26 - 2:35:26)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:26 - 2:35:27)
make comment in

[Speaker 11] (2:35:27 - 2:35:28)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:35:28 - 2:35:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:35:28 - 2:35:30)
advance or at any public comment between now

[Speaker 1] (2:35:30 - 2:35:30)
Would

[Speaker 3] (2:35:30 - 2:35:30)
and then.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:30 - 2:35:35)
we be able to hold a public hearing so that there's back and forth questions answered?

[Speaker 1] (2:35:36 - 2:35:40)
This is a big change that affects the whole community, I think, once

[Speaker 3] (2:35:40 - 2:35:40)
Are

[Speaker 1] (2:35:40 - 2:35:41)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:35:41 - 2:35:42)
you talking about a traffic

[Speaker 4] (2:35:42 - 2:35:42)
What's your hand

[Speaker 3] (2:35:42 - 2:35:42)
advisory

[Speaker 4] (2:35:42 - 2:35:43)
up?

[Speaker 3] (2:35:43 - 2:35:44)
committee or parking?

[Speaker 1] (2:35:46 - 2:35:46)
Fair enough.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:47 - 2:35:53)
No, when it comes to actually making some of the larger changes that we just went through and talked about,

[Speaker 3] (2:35:53 - 2:35:54)
Around parking.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:55 - 2:35:55)
yes,

[Speaker 4] (2:35:55 - 2:35:55)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:55 - 2:35:55)
I would like

[Speaker 4] (2:35:55 - 2:35:56)
so yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:56 - 2:35:57)
some general community input.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:58 - 2:35:58)
I agree.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:58 - 2:36:03)
I think the first point is if we think that a traffic committee is the right way to go,

[Speaker 4] (2:36:03 - 2:36:09)
we establish that and then they facilitate some of that way and then come back to us with some additional recommendations that are supported by community outreach.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:10 - 2:36:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:11 - 2:36:11)
That's what I was thinking.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:12 - 2:36:12)
But

[Speaker 3] (2:36:12 - 2:36:12)
I

[Speaker 4] (2:36:12 - 2:36:12)
if you

[Speaker 3] (2:36:12 - 2:36:13)
would agree

[Speaker 4] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
have

[Speaker 3] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
to that.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
if you

[Speaker 3] (2:36:13 - 2:36:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:13 - 2:36:25)
have additional commentary right now and you want to make sure traffic committee future traffic committee is not proposing things that you are adamantly opposed to right now please convey that to Nick so Nick can convey that to them.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:25 - 2:36:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:26 - 2:36:35)
Generally, conceptually, we can work out details more. This is in line with what I was thinking and hoping from a 30,000 foot perspective. We can work out details later,

[Speaker 2] (2:36:35 - 2:36:36)
but.

[Speaker 11] (2:36:36 - 2:36:36)
I

[Speaker 2] (2:36:36 - 2:36:37)
I think

[Speaker 11] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
concur

[Speaker 2] (2:36:37 - 2:36:37)
I would like

[Speaker 11] (2:36:37 - 2:36:38)
with that.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:38 - 2:36:41)
to have something to present to people and I think this is a good thing to present

[Speaker 1] (2:36:41 - 2:36:43)
We're talking about the parking portion, right, just to

[Speaker 11] (2:36:43 - 2:36:43)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:43 - 2:36:44)
be clear.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
the parking

[Speaker 4] (2:36:44 - 2:36:44)
The

[Speaker 2] (2:36:44 - 2:36:45)
management

[Speaker 4] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
whole, I'm talking about

[Speaker 11] (2:36:45 - 2:36:45)
Whole

[Speaker 4] (2:36:45 - 2:36:46)
the whole thing,

[Speaker 11] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
parking

[Speaker 2] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
the

[Speaker 4] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
to be honest.

[Speaker 11] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
solution.

[Speaker 2] (2:36:46 - 2:36:46)
whole

[Speaker 4] (2:36:46 - 2:36:48)
I support a traffic

[Speaker 1] (2:36:48 - 2:36:48)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (2:36:48 - 2:36:48)
After

[Speaker 4] (2:36:48 - 2:36:48)
committee.

[Speaker 11] (2:36:48 - 2:36:48)
cable.

[Speaker 11] (2:36:49 - 2:36:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:49 - 2:36:51)
I don't think a resident needs to be on

[Speaker 11] (2:36:51 - 2:36:51)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:51 - 2:36:52)
it to be effective.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:52 - 2:37:01)
I think we need to talk about the details and there needs to be community involvement, but this idea of zoning.

[Speaker 11] (2:37:02 - 2:37:02)
Color coding

[Speaker 4] (2:37:02 - 2:37:08)
color coding zones for parking is going to be necessary as the hotel comes online as vending comes online

[Speaker 11] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
Metered

[Speaker 4] (2:37:09 - 2:37:10)
because

[Speaker 11] (2:37:10 - 2:37:10)
parking

[Speaker 4] (2:37:10 - 2:37:10)
this is only

[Speaker 11] (2:37:10 - 2:37:10)
pay parking

[Speaker 4] (2:37:10 - 2:37:11)
going to become

[Speaker 11] (2:37:11 - 2:37:11)
all of that.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:11 - 2:37:12)
a bigger issue.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:12 - 2:37:12)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:13 - 2:37:20)
Yeah, the framework is what I like, so that's I'm just suggesting that we follow this and we can work out specifics as we

[Speaker 1] (2:37:20 - 2:37:20)
get Is

[Speaker 2] (2:37:20 - 2:37:21)
feedback and iterate.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:21 - 2:37:23)
it just for a matter of principle,

[Speaker 1] (2:37:23 - 2:37:25)
is there a way we can call it something other than the traffic committee?

[Speaker 1] (2:37:25 - 2:37:27)
Is there a different word we can use?

[Speaker 3] (2:37:27 - 2:37:27)
It's a suggestion.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:28 - 2:37:29)
I'm trying to think of one, but

[Speaker 4] (2:37:29 - 2:37:29)
We'll

[Speaker 1] (2:37:29 - 2:37:29)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:29 - 2:37:31)
go to AI and we'll come back. What committee

[Speaker 3] (2:37:31 - 2:37:31)
Community

[Speaker 4] (2:37:31 - 2:37:32)
is this?

[Speaker 3] (2:37:32 - 2:37:32)
Safety

[Speaker 13] (2:37:32 - 2:37:32)
Community

[Speaker 3] (2:37:32 - 2:37:32)
Team.

[Speaker 13] (2:37:32 - 2:37:33)
safety team.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:33 - 2:37:34)
Community safety team.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:35 - 2:37:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (2:37:35 - 2:37:36)
That seems a little broad.

[Speaker 7] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
Oh.

[Speaker 11] (2:37:36 - 2:37:38)
I think I think we're really getting

[Speaker 4] (2:37:38 - 2:37:38)
Everyone's

[Speaker 11] (2:37:38 - 2:37:38)
like,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:38 - 2:37:39)
a critic.

[Speaker 11] (2:37:39 - 2:37:39)
we're

[Speaker 4] (2:37:39 - 2:37:40)
All right, well we'll

[Speaker 11] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
going down

[Speaker 4] (2:37:40 - 2:37:40)
iron

[Speaker 11] (2:37:40 - 2:37:41)
a rabbit hole here.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:41 - 2:37:42)
it out later.

[Speaker 11] (2:37:42 - 2:37:42)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:43 - 2:37:45)
We'll put a suggestion and box out for next time.

[Speaker 11] (2:37:45 - 2:37:46)
All right,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:46 - 2:37:46)
Um,

[Speaker 11] (2:37:46 - 2:37:46)
sounds good.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:46 - 2:37:47)
who's that?

[Speaker 4] (2:37:47 - 2:37:47)
Schools is

[Speaker 2] (2:37:47 - 2:37:48)
Thank

[Speaker 4] (2:37:48 - 2:37:48)
up.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:48 - 2:37:48)
you.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:48 - 2:37:49)
Thank you so much

[Speaker 2] (2:37:49 - 2:37:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:49 - 2:37:50)
for joining us.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:50 - 2:37:51)
Thank you, Captain Cable.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:52 - 2:37:54)
Tap the cable and uh now off to

[Speaker 4] (2:37:56 - 2:37:56)
Officer Bain.

[Speaker 14] (2:37:57 - 2:37:57)
Good evening.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:57 - 2:37:58)
Good evening.

[Speaker 2] (2:37:58 - 2:37:58)
Evening.

[Speaker 14] (2:38:02 - 2:38:02)
Hi.

[Speaker 11] (2:38:02 - 2:38:03)
Hi.

[Speaker 14] (2:38:03 - 2:38:04)
Ready? Okay, good.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:04 - 2:38:04)
Are you ready?

[Speaker 14] (2:38:04 - 2:38:10)
So we are, as we're all aware, we're getting back into school. Uh it's just a short time away.

[Speaker 14] (2:38:11 - 2:38:15)
And since the dismissal back in June,

[Speaker 14] (2:38:15 - 2:38:29)
Officer Wilson and I have been working together and we've been speaking with a number of parents with the school department themselves and kind of reevaluating the situation in and around the elementary school.

[Speaker 14] (2:38:29 - 2:38:34)
Obviously when it opened it was very cumbersome, it was new,

[Speaker 14] (2:38:34 - 2:38:35)
there was a lot of change,

[Speaker 14] (2:38:35 - 2:38:36)
people don't like change,

[Speaker 14] (2:38:36 - 2:38:37)
we tried to figure out the...

[Speaker 14] (2:38:37 - 2:38:42)
About the best way and how to handle it and in doing so I think we did a pretty good job to start

[Speaker 14] (2:38:43 - 2:38:44)
but one of the things that we

[Speaker 1] (2:38:51 - 2:38:54)
So with that, we had some...

[Speaker 1] (2:38:55 - 2:39:05)
discussions and we looked at a few things that were pretty important that we wanted to maintain and that is the efficiency and safety of the children.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:06 - 2:39:11)
We know that primarily the drop-off runs very smoothly.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:12 - 2:39:13)
We got that

[Speaker 1] (2:39:15 - 2:39:21)
To work well, parents have a pretty good job coming in, do parents do a pretty good job coming in,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:21 - 2:39:23)
dropping their kids off.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:23 - 2:39:25)
As with any school year in the beginning,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:25 - 2:39:26)
it's a little bit slower.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:27 - 2:39:28)
After a week or two,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:28 - 2:39:31)
everybody gets the hang and off it goes.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:31 - 2:39:37)
The pickup is what's been a little bit more taxing on us.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:38 - 2:39:41)
If you wouldn't mind on the next slide we can go forward.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:41 - 2:39:50)
So as I said we're discussing resolved traffic conserved during peak hours ensuring the safety of the students and families doing drop-off and pickup in the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:52 - 2:40:00)
Three areas of concern that we're looking at right now Orchard at Whitman Road which is the main entrance of the Swamp Scott Elementary School,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:00 - 2:40:05)
Nason Road and Laurel Road if we could go to the next slide.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:06 - 2:40:10)
Can I just clarify that you mean the rolling pickup that we're talking about?

[Speaker 2] (2:40:10 - 2:40:13)
Are you also going to talk about parking and coming to pick up?

[Speaker 1] (2:40:13 - 2:40:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:14 - 2:40:14)
Oh, okay,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:14 - 2:40:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:14 - 2:40:15)
great.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:15 - 2:40:15)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:16 - 2:40:17)
Pickup in general as

[Speaker 2] (2:40:17 - 2:40:18)
Got it.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:18 - 2:40:19)
a term.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:19 - 2:40:22)
So with Orchard and Whitman,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:22 - 2:40:24)
one of the things that we've seen is that

[Speaker 1] (2:40:25 - 2:40:29)
We have vehicles coming to the school for the rolling pickup.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:30 - 2:40:33)
They start to queue up. I think 115 is generous,

[Speaker 1] (2:40:33 - 2:40:35)
but we usually see it around 1 p.m.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:36 - 2:40:38)
for a 2.10 release.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:38 - 2:40:38)
Whoa.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:38 - 2:40:39)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:40:39 - 2:40:39)
Wow.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:39 - 2:40:40)
So that

[Speaker 2] (2:40:40 - 2:40:41)
I can't believe it.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:41 - 2:40:41)
does

[Speaker 2] (2:40:41 - 2:40:44)
You don't even hear them. You're all the way on Laurel before.

[Speaker 3] (2:40:44 - 2:40:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:40:44 - 2:40:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:44 - 2:40:47)
create a bit of a headache.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:50 - 2:40:53)
With traffic, everything flows back out.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:53 - 2:41:04)
One of the things that we want to keep a priority and consider it with the people in the neighborhood are the residents of Orchard Nason and Laurel.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:05 - 2:41:12)
The overflow comes out, it spills down onto Nason, then Nason comes down, and we have a problem,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:12 - 2:41:13)
if you could,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:13 - 2:41:13)
the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:15 - 2:41:17)
Area 2 with Nason Road,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:17 - 2:41:18)
as you can see on the map,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:18 - 2:41:20)
we have

[Speaker 1] (2:41:21 - 2:41:22)
Virginia Circle,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:22 - 2:41:23)
Cedar Road,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:23 - 2:41:35)
and then a pretty long stretch before we get to Laurel. That then becomes very well occupied with vehicles. We've received some complaints about the traffic flow that comes in there.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:35 - 2:41:43)
In and out of there we've discussed different variations on how to handle that traffic flow and what we should do with those streets.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:43 - 2:41:47)
We don't want to do anything drastic and we think with our plans coming up.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:46 - 2:41:49)
up that we can mitigate that, if you could go to the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:51 - 2:41:53)
And Laurel Road.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:53 - 2:42:01)
This is, as it turns on, is a very short street and creates a problem at the egress of part of the rolling pickup,

[Speaker 1] (2:42:01 - 2:42:02)
which

[Speaker 1] (2:42:03 - 2:42:27)
that forest road and the church who's graciously helped us with a number of things so this particular area does not have the size to handle the amount of volume that we've seen coming and going so if you could for the next slide what we're looking at for recommendations at orchard is closing the road to Whitman

[Speaker 1] (2:42:28 - 2:42:39)
So that we will not get a queue of vehicles going up. We're not going to allow cars to come up and line up in front of the school at 1 p.m. So that the overflow comes through.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:40 - 2:42:45)
We're going to work with the parents here and say you can come at 145.

[Speaker 1] (2:42:46 - 2:43:02)
Give us the grace period so that we can get the cars in and we can get the cars out. And speaking with the engineers and the traffic committee that was hired outside that looked at this plan and lined everything out, they said this is the most efficient way to get people in and out.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:02 - 2:43:09)
What happens is cars line up, we try to cue the vehicles to the kids inside.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:10 - 2:43:12)
Then send the kids out to the vehicles.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:12 - 2:43:14)
Kids are trying to find their vehicles.

[Speaker 2] (2:43:14 - 2:43:14)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:43:14 - 2:43:14)
It

[Speaker 2] (2:43:14 - 2:43:14)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:14 - 2:43:18)
becomes a cluster with all of the cars backed up there.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:19 - 2:43:30)
We did a good job. We did some troubleshooting. We were able to get the kids and get the process to about a 14-minute dismissal since when the bell goes to getting people out.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:31 - 2:43:35)
Now, mind you, you have a car sitting at about 1 p.m. in front of the school.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:35 - 2:43:38)
They're not leaving until about 2.24.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:39 - 2:43:40)
At the earliest.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:40 - 2:43:41)
That's a long time.

[Speaker 5] (2:43:41 - 2:43:41)
Yeah, it's

[Speaker 1] (2:43:41 - 2:43:41)
Now,

[Speaker 5] (2:43:41 - 2:43:42)
true.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:42 - 2:43:43)
that's in front of the school.

[Speaker 1] (2:43:43 - 2:43:48)
Now, mind you, the cars that are waiting and lining up and queuing up on Orchard,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:48 - 2:43:50)
on Nason,

[Speaker 1] (2:43:50 - 2:44:01)
going all the way back down to Laurel, and we're working on getting these cars out of here and these kids safely while we're trying to anticipate the middle school dismissal coming at 2.20.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:02 - 2:44:03)
It's a nightmare.

[Speaker 2] (2:44:03 - 2:44:05)
Can you just clarify what you think takes 14 minutes?

[Speaker 1] (2:44:05 - 2:44:14)
Get the the getting that traffic line out. So we've got we have got it down so now the queue line of cars,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:14 - 2:44:19)
it takes us about 14 minutes to move those cars from

[Speaker 2] (2:44:19 - 2:44:19)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:44:19 - 2:44:20)
So 14

[Speaker 1] (2:44:20 - 2:44:20)
orchard

[Speaker 6] (2:44:20 - 2:44:20)
to?

[Speaker 1] (2:44:20 - 2:44:27)
up to Whitman or excuse me from Nason onto orchard up to Whitman out of the exit.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:28 - 2:44:34)
So we're clearing the line by roughly 2.24 p.m.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:34 - 2:44:35)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:35 - 2:44:39)
And you have cars waiting since about 1 o'clock p.m.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:40 - 2:44:41)
So what we're thinking,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:42 - 2:44:48)
we get cars to queue up at 1.45. We're still going to get you out at about 2.24 p.m.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:48 - 2:44:49)
So.

[Speaker 1] (2:44:49 - 2:44:56)
If we can mitigate the overflow and influx of vehicles coming into this area at about 1 p.m. in the afternoon,

[Speaker 1] (2:44:56 - 2:45:01)
it will preserve the safety of the vehicle, of the community,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:01 - 2:45:02)
the pedestrians,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:02 - 2:45:05)
the people in and around the area.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:05 - 2:45:09)
It won't put such a burden in the vicinity of the school itself.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:09 - 2:45:11)
So right now from

[Speaker 2] (2:45:11 - 2:45:17)
For the first couple weeks of school from 1 o'clock to 1 45 there will be somebody there telling

[Speaker 1] (2:45:17 - 2:45:17)
Yes,

[Speaker 2] (2:45:17 - 2:45:18)
people to move along

[Speaker 1] (2:45:18 - 2:45:18)
exactly.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:18 - 2:45:20)
you can't line up

[Speaker 1] (2:45:20 - 2:45:21)
We've worked with the school department and it's...

[Speaker 1] (2:45:22 - 2:45:24)
You can go move elsewhere.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:24 - 2:45:26)
You're not, we're not letting you come up into Whitman

[Speaker 2] (2:45:26 - 2:45:26)
I

[Speaker 1] (2:45:26 - 2:45:27)
Road.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:27 - 2:45:33)
assume there'll be something going on on Parent Square or something like that to tell parents that they cannot be out there until 145.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:33 - 2:45:37)
Yes, exactly. We've had a meeting with the school department,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:37 - 2:45:40)
Principal Sanborn and Vice Principal Horgan. We've also spoke with Mr.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:40 - 2:45:41)
Kalishman.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:41 - 2:45:42)
They're in agreement,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:42 - 2:45:44)
they're understanding and appreciate.

[Speaker 1] (2:45:45 - 2:45:48)
The multiple steps that we're looking at here,

[Speaker 1] (2:45:48 - 2:45:51)
this is just one, and we think it will work.

[Speaker 2] (2:45:51 - 2:45:52)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:52 - 2:45:52)
We

[Speaker 1] (2:45:52 - 2:45:52)
We want

[Speaker 8] (2:45:52 - 2:45:53)
can I ask who's

[Speaker 1] (2:45:53 - 2:45:53)
to

[Speaker 8] (2:45:53 - 2:45:57)
gonna be standing there telling people is

[Speaker 1] (2:45:57 - 2:45:58)
we're going to have a uniform,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:58 - 2:45:59)
it gonna be a crossing guard or great

[Speaker 1] (2:45:59 - 2:46:01)
we will have a crossing guard,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:01 - 2:46:02)
we'll have a uniformed officer,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:02 - 2:46:04)
we're also going to be utilizing the fire department,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:05 - 2:46:09)
we're also going to be utilizing Officer Wilson and myself. And this is going to be in the initial,

[Speaker 1] (2:46:10 - 2:46:12)
and again it's going to be it's going to take a few days.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:12 - 2:46:12)
Like a few days.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:12 - 2:46:13)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:14 - 2:46:15)
Can you get some of those,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:15 - 2:46:15)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:15 - 2:46:22)
we used to have those bifolds up um when school started. Can we get like no standing until 1 45 some so people can see.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
we've

[Speaker 2] (2:46:22 - 2:46:22)
you don't

[Speaker 8] (2:46:22 - 2:46:23)
had

[Speaker 2] (2:46:23 - 2:46:23)
have to

[Speaker 8] (2:46:23 - 2:46:23)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:46:23 - 2:46:23)
be telling

[Speaker 8] (2:46:23 - 2:46:23)
sign.

[Speaker 2] (2:46:23 - 2:46:26)
every single person. Remember when we first started?

[Speaker 9] (2:46:26 - 2:46:26)
Like sandwich board?

[Speaker 2] (2:46:26 - 2:46:28)
Yeah you guys had s we had sandwich boards out.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:28 - 2:46:29)
We did, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:29 - 2:46:29)
Uh,

[Speaker 8] (2:46:29 - 2:46:30)
They still came.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:30 - 2:46:31)
I I'm sure it's possible.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:31 - 2:46:33)
I don't I mean I wouldn't see why not for sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:34 - 2:46:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:34 - 2:46:37)
So you have people who line up at one o'clock.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:37 - 2:46:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:38 - 2:46:39)
And the school gets out at what time?

[Speaker 10] (2:46:39 - 2:46:39)
2

[Speaker 1] (2:46:39 - 2:46:39)
2

[Speaker 10] (2:46:39 - 2:46:39)
.10.

[Speaker 1] (2:46:39 - 2:46:40)
.10.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:40 - 2:46:42)
Okay, so then right now they line up at one o'clock,

[Speaker 10] (2:46:42 - 2:46:42)
Uh

[Speaker 8] (2:46:42 - 2:46:42)
and

[Speaker 10] (2:46:42 - 2:46:42)
-huh.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:42 - 2:46:51)
you're thinking that you're gonna say, hey, don't line up until one forty five, and that individual who's been lining up at one o'clock is gonna say, okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:46:51 - 2:46:52)
You're gonna block it with those cones

[Speaker 1] (2:46:52 - 2:46:52)
They're

[Speaker 10] (2:46:52 - 2:46:53)
so they can't

[Speaker 1] (2:46:53 - 2:46:53)
they're they're

[Speaker 10] (2:46:53 - 2:46:53)
even see

[Speaker 1] (2:46:53 - 2:46:55)
not gonna be able to pull up which obviously

[Speaker 8] (2:46:55 - 2:46:55)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:46:55 - 2:46:55)
if

[Speaker 8] (2:46:55 - 2:46:58)
then they're just gonna go back and they're gonna be in the

[Speaker 2] (2:46:58 - 2:46:58)
What's

[Speaker 8] (2:46:58 - 2:46:58)
other neighbourhoods?

[Speaker 2] (2:46:58 - 2:47:00)
happened they chose the path of least resistance right which

[Speaker 8] (2:47:00 - 2:47:00)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:00 - 2:47:01)
is

[Speaker 2] (2:47:01 - 2:47:03)
is they've been in line for sometimes forty minutes

[Speaker 8] (2:47:03 - 2:47:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:04 - 2:47:07)
when they show up at two o'clock because that's when it is reasonable for two ten.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:07 - 2:47:08)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:08 - 2:47:17)
And now things have gotten better, so we're gonna re-educate them and help them understand that this is the change for this year. And it's gonna be hard because it was hard last year when we had to figure

[Speaker 8] (2:47:17 - 2:47:17)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (2:47:17 - 2:47:21)
it out, it was hard the year before, but it's better than having residents sit in their car

[Speaker 1] (2:47:21 - 2:47:21)
It's

[Speaker 2] (2:47:21 - 2:47:23)
for an hour and have their emissions going into

[Speaker 8] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
People

[Speaker 2] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
somebody's

[Speaker 8] (2:47:23 - 2:47:24)
are blocking the driveway.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:24 - 2:47:25)
front yard because it's a mess.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:25 - 2:47:26)
the

[Speaker 1] (2:47:25 - 2:47:42)
The problem is, one of the problems is that that gets difficult is the road at this particular picture right here is actually is a great description of that's Whitman Road going up. You have cars that queue on the right-hand side of the double yellow line.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:42 - 2:47:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:43 - 2:47:43)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:43 - 2:47:46)
It queues all the way around the corner and down Orchard

[Speaker 8] (2:47:46 - 2:47:47)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:47 - 2:47:48)
towards Nason.

[Speaker 2] (2:47:48 - 2:47:48)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:48 - 2:47:49)
All

[Speaker 1] (2:47:49 - 2:47:49)
We

[Speaker 8] (2:47:49 - 2:47:49)
the way.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:49 - 2:47:51)
have four school buses that come.

[Speaker 8] (2:47:51 - 2:47:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:52 - 2:47:56)
In and around the same time that need to get into the school,

[Speaker 1] (2:47:56 - 2:47:58)
the school bus pickup is at a different section.

[Speaker 1] (2:47:59 - 2:48:01)
When you have vehicles queued up.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:02 - 2:48:03)
The school buses cannot make it through.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:03 - 2:48:04)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:04 - 2:48:05)
They drive down the middle of the road

[Speaker 8] (2:48:05 - 2:48:05)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:05 - 2:48:06)
So the

[Speaker 2] (2:48:06 - 2:48:06)
all

[Speaker 8] (2:48:06 - 2:48:06)
well,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:06 - 2:48:06)
school buses

[Speaker 2] (2:48:06 - 2:48:06)
the time.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:06 - 2:48:08)
come in and they

[Speaker 8] (2:48:08 - 2:48:08)
They

[Speaker 1] (2:48:08 - 2:48:08)
get and

[Speaker 8] (2:48:08 - 2:48:08)
complain.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:08 - 2:48:09)
they get stuck.

[Speaker 11] (2:48:09 - 2:48:10)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (2:48:10 - 2:48:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:48:10 - 2:48:11)
Then it's not even

[Speaker 1] (2:48:11 - 2:48:11)
So

[Speaker 11] (2:48:11 - 2:48:11)
just.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:11 - 2:48:11)
what we

[Speaker 8] (2:48:11 - 2:48:12)
It's the other side, either.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:12 - 2:48:17)
what we have to wait for we can't go tell the teachers to dismiss these cars early to get these cars out of the way.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:18 - 2:48:19)
So at 2.10,

[Speaker 1] (2:48:19 - 2:48:21)
we have to work.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:22 - 2:48:35)
extremely efficiently to get as many of those cars out so we can get the school buses in then the school buses come in then you have to get the kids on the school bus when usually the priority is that the kids with the using the school buses go

[Speaker 2] (2:48:35 - 2:48:36)
for the first time.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:36 - 2:48:39)
to that they're there that side of the school those school buses

[Speaker 1] (2:49:02 - 2:49:05)
We'll definitely have an enhancement on the efficiency and the safety.

[Speaker 3] (2:49:05 - 2:49:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (2:49:06 - 2:49:07)
So is there any

[Speaker 5] (2:49:09 - 2:49:16)
If we do this, what's gonna be the ramifications? Couldn't someone just okay, I'm not gonna park on Whitman, but I'll park four hundred feet away on Orchard,

[Speaker 6] (2:49:16 - 2:49:17)
You have

[Speaker 1] (2:49:17 - 2:49:17)
There's

[Speaker 5] (2:49:17 - 2:49:17)
and

[Speaker 1] (2:49:17 - 2:49:17)
restriction.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:17 - 2:49:17)
start lining

[Speaker 6] (2:49:17 - 2:49:18)
parking.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:18 - 2:49:18)
up

[Speaker 1] (2:49:18 - 2:49:18)
There's

[Speaker 5] (2:49:18 - 2:49:18)
f

[Speaker 6] (2:49:18 - 2:49:18)
There f

[Speaker 1] (2:49:18 - 2:49:18)
restrictions.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:18 - 2:49:19)
restrictions up there.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
in your

[Speaker 5] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
There are restrictions

[Speaker 6] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
live

[Speaker 5] (2:49:19 - 2:49:19)
up there.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:19 - 2:49:20)
parking

[Speaker 1] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
out.

[Speaker 7] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
We now have

[Speaker 1] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
we've also

[Speaker 7] (2:49:20 - 2:49:21)
a live

[Speaker 1] (2:49:21 - 2:49:21)
there

[Speaker 5] (2:49:21 - 2:49:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:49:21 - 2:49:21)
car.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:21 - 2:49:22)
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:22 - 2:49:26)
there are there are a number of other streets outside of this school zone

[Speaker 5] (2:49:26 - 2:49:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:26 - 2:49:29)
that have no restricted parking whatsoever

[Speaker 5] (2:49:29 - 2:49:29)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:29 - 2:49:34)
that are ex much wider twice the twice the width of Orchard, Neeson and Laurel.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:34 - 2:49:53)
that people can park on that can handle all of this volume um we're going to express that and detail that specifically for this and utilizing our crossing guards the RFP beacons that we just put in all the new painted lines that we just have put out there there

[Speaker 5] (2:49:53 - 2:49:54)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:54 - 2:50:00)
really is no difference in walking from the middle school side of Nason Road

[Speaker 1] (2:50:01 - 2:50:07)
to the elementary school as it would be walking from Palmer Ave, Ocean Ave,

[Speaker 8] (2:50:07 - 2:50:07)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:07 - 2:50:08)
Chapman Ave,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:09 - 2:50:09)
Phillips Ave,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10)
Atlanta Crossing.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:10 - 2:50:12)
It's the exact same distance.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:12 - 2:50:16)
The streets are so much safer.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:16 - 2:50:23)
We have three crossing guards within the vicinity with marked lanes for this particular reason that hardly get used.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:23 - 2:50:25)
Let's utilize that.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:26 - 2:50:48)
eliminate the vehicle problems it's more safe it's much more safe for the kids and much more efficient we'll be able to expel all of the buses for after-school programs school pickups any other extracurriculars that are happening at the school are going to be much more accessible for the people that actually need to get there with with the front of the road

[Speaker 1] (2:50:49 - 2:50:52)
We do understand that there's going to be early pickup.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:52 - 2:50:55)
I have to get my son or daughter because of a doctor's appointment,

[Speaker 1] (2:50:55 - 2:50:56)
which is why we're going to be there.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:56 - 2:51:02)
Of course, you can come and utilize a parking spot that's available for you, dismiss your child,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:02 - 2:51:03)
and off you go.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:03 - 2:51:05)
There's not going to be any restriction to that.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:05 - 2:51:15)
We're just trying to eliminate a 45-car queue line for an hour and 15 to an hour and a half that's unnecessary.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:17 - 2:51:17)
Is

[Speaker 10] (2:51:17 - 2:51:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:17 - 2:51:19)
there an issue,

[Speaker 9] (2:51:19 - 2:51:24)
you touched upon the issue of overlapping with the middle school release.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:24 - 2:51:27)
So if I remember years ago,

[Speaker 9] (2:51:27 - 2:51:36)
we would park along Forest Avenue waiting for the pickup and that's a long line as well. Do you see a competing interest over on Forest with

[Speaker 1] (2:51:36 - 2:51:36)
No,

[Speaker 9] (2:51:36 - 2:51:37)
middle school

[Speaker 1] (2:51:37 - 2:51:37)
because the

[Speaker 9] (2:51:37 - 2:51:37)
and the...

[Speaker 1] (2:51:37 - 2:51:39)
pickup at Forest is completely different.

[Speaker 9] (2:51:40 - 2:51:40)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:51:40 - 2:51:51)
And one of the things that the school is being utilized now is the efficiency of that lot bringing cars in and having them exit in the other way.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:51 - 2:51:57)
There's no queuing line up in front of the school itself on Forest. The traffic, again,

[Speaker 1] (2:51:57 - 2:51:58)
it was a learning curve.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:59 - 2:52:00)
Parents learned it,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:00 - 2:52:03)
and as soon as your muscle memory takes over,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:04 - 2:52:09)
it has become probably one of the most efficient areas in town just

[Speaker 9] (2:52:09 - 2:52:10)
Okay. You don't see anybody

[Speaker 1] (2:52:10 - 2:52:11)
because of the entrance and egress.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:11 - 2:52:18)
waiting on four elementary school kids' parents waiting on forests so they come over crossing the pavement

[Speaker 1] (2:52:18 - 2:52:18)
Yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:19 - 2:52:19)
and

[Speaker 9] (2:52:19 - 2:52:21)
on UU church coming over and getting into.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:21 - 2:52:21)
yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:22 - 2:52:24)
and we're going to address that in just a second. I'm going to get there as well.

[Speaker 5] (2:52:24 - 2:52:24)
Well,

[Speaker 11] (2:52:24 - 2:52:26)
You can't make that. You can't go through UU Church.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:26 - 2:52:27)
You could walk.

[Speaker 11] (2:52:27 - 2:52:28)
Oh, yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:52:28 - 2:52:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (2:52:28 - 2:52:29)
we will. Yeah, yeah, yes.

[Speaker 9] (2:52:29 - 2:52:33)
I checked up, right? So I didn't know if there's a proportion of those students doing that with

[Speaker 1] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33)
And we're

[Speaker 9] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33)
parents driving

[Speaker 1] (2:52:33 - 2:52:33)
in,

[Speaker 9] (2:52:33 - 2:52:34)
them yeah, for us.

[Speaker 11] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:34 - 2:52:37)
and that's something I'm going to get to in a

[Speaker 11] (2:52:37 - 2:52:37)
For sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:37 - 2:52:37)
few more

[Speaker 11] (2:52:37 - 2:52:37)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:37 - 2:52:38)
slides.

[Speaker 11] (2:52:38 - 2:52:38)
only

[Speaker 1] (2:52:38 - 2:52:38)
But

[Speaker 11] (2:52:38 - 2:52:38)
fair.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:38 - 2:52:38)
thank

[Speaker 11] (2:52:38 - 2:52:39)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:39 - 2:52:42)
you for the, so we go to next slide.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:44 - 2:52:46)
Recommendation number two,

[Speaker 1] (2:52:46 - 2:52:51)
at the end of Nason Road down by Laurel where we do get.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:52 - 2:52:57)
A greater volume of cars making turns from Nason and Laurel in both directions.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:58 - 2:53:08)
We're going to install line delineators so that we now will have vehicles that are turning onto Laurel and from Laurel onto Nason will have to travel much slower.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:09 - 2:53:09)
Um

[Speaker 11] (2:53:09 - 2:53:11)
It's like at the opening of the the by

[Speaker 1] (2:53:11 - 2:53:11)
correct.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:11 - 2:53:12)
the bull,

[Speaker 12] (2:53:12 - 2:53:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:12 - 2:53:13)
okay

[Speaker 12] (2:53:13 - 2:53:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:13 - 2:53:15)
So if I'm coming down Nason road.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:16 - 2:53:18)
And I'm taking a left onto Laurel Road.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:19 - 2:53:23)
I cannot what we call it like a slip curve.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:23 - 2:53:23)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:23 - 2:53:40)
I can't short the curve or slip the curve and get on the laurel. I'm going to have to come to a much slower progression before I'm making this left-hand turn and vice versa. Coming off of laurel, I'm not going to be able to just slip the curve.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:40 - 2:53:44)
There is a stop sign on laurel for nascent. We're going to be.

[Speaker 1] (2:53:44 - 2:53:45)
actively

[Speaker 1] (2:53:46 - 2:53:48)
monitoring that with a uniform patrol car

[Speaker 11] (2:53:49 - 2:53:58)
And this is literally to prevent the head-on collision of a queued car and a car trying to circumnavigate the queue car on the same side of Laurel and then a car coming from Nason

[Speaker 1] (2:53:58 - 2:53:58)
Correct.

[Speaker 11] (2:53:58 - 2:54:04)
and then I've seen it more than one occasion almost head-on colliding because they're almost in the

[Speaker 13] (2:54:04 - 2:54:04)
Yeah, other

[Speaker 11] (2:54:04 - 2:54:04)
lane,

[Speaker 13] (2:54:04 - 2:54:05)
lane.

[Speaker 11] (2:54:05 - 2:54:05)
the other lane.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:05 - 2:54:06)
Exactly.

[Speaker 11] (2:54:06 - 2:54:07)
That Yep. is what this is meant to prevent.

[Speaker 11] (2:54:07 - 2:54:08)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:08 - 2:54:09)
And if you go to the next slide for

[Speaker 9] (2:54:09 - 2:54:12)
Would that be a permanent installation or is that?

[Speaker 14] (2:54:12 - 2:54:13)
Seasonal

[Speaker 1] (2:54:13 - 2:54:13)
It

[Speaker 14] (2:54:13 - 2:54:13)
is that

[Speaker 1] (2:54:13 - 2:54:14)
would be seasonal.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:14 - 2:54:18)
I mean, obviously we can't keep them up with snow plows, but...

[Speaker 1] (2:54:18 - 2:54:35)
On the other hand, we're going to keep them as long as we can. And it's it works well in other areas of town where we need to have some traffic calming and mitigate other issues. So in for that, they're cost effective. They're not very expensive with

[Speaker 9] (2:54:35 - 2:54:39)
No, I just didn't know if you're gonna keep them up during the summer when school's not in session or

[Speaker 1] (2:54:39 - 2:54:41)
no reason to take them down.

[Speaker 9] (2:54:41 - 2:54:41)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:54:43 - 2:54:49)
And as you had just said about the queuing on Laurel, we will not be allowing queuing on Laurel Road.

[Speaker 5] (2:54:49 - 2:54:49)
Thank God.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:49 - 2:54:52)
We physically cannot deal

[Speaker 15] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
Is

[Speaker 1] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
with

[Speaker 15] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
there

[Speaker 1] (2:54:52 - 2:54:52)
the

[Speaker 15] (2:54:52 - 2:54:53)
queuing now?

[Speaker 11] (2:54:53 - 2:54:53)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:53 - 2:54:55)
it carries to.

[Speaker 15] (2:54:55 - 2:54:58)
I don't go anywhere near that area at that time of day,

[Speaker 1] (2:54:58 - 2:54:58)
Some

[Speaker 15] (2:54:58 - 2:54:58)
so yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:58 - 2:54:59)
days yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:54:59 - 2:55:01)
I'm most days yes,

[Speaker 11] (2:55:01 - 2:55:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:55:02 - 2:55:02)
some days no.

[Speaker 11] (2:55:02 - 2:55:07)
if it has just snowed, if it's very cold, if there's, I mean, it's mostly weather

[Speaker 5] (2:55:07 - 2:55:07)
Like

[Speaker 11] (2:55:07 - 2:55:07)
related.

[Speaker 5] (2:55:07 - 2:55:09)
before when we get over there,

[Speaker 5] (2:55:09 - 2:55:17)
I mean the recycle truck coming through around trash around school pickup time. I've almost been killed like multiple times by recycle on that road.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:17 - 2:55:17)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:55:17 - 2:55:17)
So thank

[Speaker 1] (2:55:17 - 2:55:18)
that's something that

[Speaker 5] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
you for

[Speaker 1] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
we

[Speaker 5] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
doing

[Speaker 1] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
also

[Speaker 5] (2:55:18 - 2:55:18)
this.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:18 - 2:55:19)
have to.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:21 - 2:55:25)
analyze and address and look at as we work with a lot of the delivery companies

[Speaker 5] (2:55:25 - 2:55:25)
Yeah

[Speaker 1] (2:55:25 - 2:55:47)
in the area you know in the beginning of the year we're having a conversation with UPS guy the FedEx guy the DHL hey listen can you get here before this time or can you come after and they then start to adjust their schedule based upon the traffic issues with the schools and the neighborhoods and and now it's it's just another unintended consequence

[Speaker 16] (2:55:47 - 2:55:48)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:48 - 2:55:50)
But I think we do a good job handling that.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:50 - 2:55:57)
Those companies mitigate their routes so they're doing their drop offs between 9 and 12.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:57 - 2:55:57)
And

[Speaker 9] (2:55:57 - 2:56:12)
I know that it was some feedback that we received in the last couple of weeks. I don't remember from where, but regarding Republic actually operating in that zone during school drop off and pickup. I don't know if we communicated that back to them to ask them.

[Speaker 17] (2:56:12 - 2:56:13)
we have the

[Speaker 9] (2:56:13 - 2:56:13)
Okay.

[Speaker 17] (2:56:13 - 2:56:27)
changes in staff will hopefully make sure that that gets to the drivers. And if we run into in week one or week two that there is a conflict, we will underline the need to change that. We have communicated it.

[Speaker 9] (2:56:27 - 2:56:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:56:28 - 2:56:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:28 - 2:56:29)
That's all I wanna know.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:29 - 2:56:29)
And

[Speaker 17] (2:56:29 - 2:56:35)
It there was a change on their side that will hopefully help us improve the communication from our call

[Speaker 17] (2:56:36 - 2:56:40)
that we were doing once a week down to the thirds and the drivers that are in town.

[Speaker 9] (2:56:40 - 2:56:41)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:41 - 2:56:46)
And Officer Wilson and I, most oftentimes...

[Speaker 1] (2:56:46 - 2:57:04)
are usually accomplishing that on face-to-face with the with the route drivers you're getting the the consistent workers who are always in our area so we're able to get a face-to-face learn their names know who they are it give them a little bit of feedback if you go this way

[Speaker 1] (2:57:04 - 2:57:07)
At this time, we can help you get through this. It'll be much quicker.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:07 - 2:57:16)
So we do have a very good back and forth relationship and communication with a lot of the other companies that are helping us mitigate our issues in town.

[Speaker 9] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
Right here.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:18 - 2:57:19)
Next slide, please.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:22 - 2:57:30)
Some other recommendations that we're looking at is monitoring the effectiveness and measures considering installing a stop sign at the end of Nason Road.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:31 - 2:57:33)
We're working with the line delineators now.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:33 - 2:57:36)
We'd like to see how that works if we have to bring it to another step.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:37 - 2:57:42)
We'll keep discussing that. I want to evaluate the impact of removing resident parking,

[Speaker 1] (2:57:42 - 2:57:58)
acknowledging the potential for further road narrowing and not fixing any traffic safety issue. This would obviously be brought up with the board that was just discussed with the captain, but also in front of you as well, because we know that resident parking is huge.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:00 - 2:58:01)
We also want to review.

[Speaker 11] (2:58:01 - 2:58:03)
Is there resident parking in Laurel now?

[Speaker 11] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03)
Oh.

[Speaker 15] (2:58:03 - 2:58:03)
There.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:04 - 2:58:05)
Um, yes,

[Speaker 15] (2:58:05 - 2:58:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:05 - 2:58:06)
and Nason

[Speaker 11] (2:58:06 - 2:58:06)
We've

[Speaker 1] (2:58:06 - 2:58:06)
and

[Speaker 11] (2:58:06 - 2:58:06)
made it.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:06 - 2:58:07)
Orchard.

[Speaker 11] (2:58:07 - 2:58:08)
We've made resident parking?

[Speaker 15] (2:58:08 - 2:58:09)
We made it

[Speaker 1] (2:58:09 - 2:58:09)
Yes,

[Speaker 15] (2:58:09 - 2:58:09)
when

[Speaker 1] (2:58:09 - 2:58:10)
we did.

[Speaker 15] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
we put the

[Speaker 9] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
So

[Speaker 11] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
We

[Speaker 15] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
sign

[Speaker 11] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
got

[Speaker 15] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
at

[Speaker 11] (2:58:10 - 2:58:10)
Nason

[Speaker 15] (2:58:10 - 2:58:11)
school.

[Speaker 11] (2:58:11 - 2:58:11)
and Orchard.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:11 - 2:58:12)
There In

[Speaker 11] (2:58:12 - 2:58:14)
are always cars parked. I just don't, that's because

[Speaker 1] (2:58:14 - 2:58:14)
So it

[Speaker 11] (2:58:14 - 2:58:15)
of its narrowness, there aren't

[Speaker 1] (2:58:15 - 2:58:15)
makes

[Speaker 11] (2:58:15 - 2:58:16)
rarely it cars

[Speaker 1] (2:58:16 - 2:58:16)
that much,

[Speaker 11] (2:58:16 - 2:58:16)
parked.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:16 - 2:58:18)
so where,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:18 - 2:58:22)
for Laurel we're going the step right now, we're not letting any queued cars park,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:22 - 2:58:24)
because when you do have a resident parked there,

[Speaker 1] (2:58:24 - 2:58:28)
it then causes everyone starts jockeying position.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:28 - 2:58:28)
and

[Speaker 17] (2:58:28 - 2:58:29)
Mm

[Speaker 1] (2:58:29 - 2:58:29)
so

[Speaker 17] (2:58:29 - 2:58:29)
-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:29 - 2:58:32)
we're just going to eliminate it completely on Laurel. No cueing.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:31 - 2:58:32)
no queuing.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:34 - 2:58:38)
It was mentioned that we were considering making Laurel a one-way.

[Speaker 1] (2:58:38 - 2:58:52)
That's something that we're going to keep evaluating as we look at traffic count coming through and noting any potential negative impacts that may have on the greater good of the town as opposed to just a positive impact on the school. So something that we're going to look at.

[Speaker 2] (2:58:52 - 2:58:53)
So practically speaking,

[Speaker 3] (2:58:53 - 2:59:02)
Practically speaking, you get into c you get you don't leave until 1 uh 1.45, you get into queue, you're the first car on Laurel. Where are you putting me if I can't queue there?

[Speaker 1] (2:59:02 - 2:59:07)
We're gonna if you're if you're coming on Laurel, we're gonna move you bring you back down. You're gonna take a loop.

[Speaker 4] (2:59:07 - 2:59:07)
Alright.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:07 - 2:59:10)
You're gonna go all the way down Mason, come out and come back

[Speaker 1] (2:59:10 - 2:59:13)
But the if but the thing is is if you're coming at 1.45.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:14 - 2:59:14)
And the

[Speaker 3] (2:59:14 - 2:59:14)
You

[Speaker 1] (2:59:14 - 2:59:15)
vehicles,

[Speaker 3] (2:59:15 - 2:59:15)
think that'll that'll

[Speaker 1] (2:59:15 - 2:59:16)
there

[Speaker 3] (2:59:16 - 2:59:16)
make

[Speaker 1] (2:59:16 - 2:59:16)
won't

[Speaker 3] (2:59:16 - 2:59:16)
them happy?

[Speaker 1] (2:59:16 - 2:59:18)
be a queue because

[Speaker 3] (2:59:18 - 2:59:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:18 - 2:59:22)
we're now opening up the school area.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:22 - 2:59:29)
Those cars are going to actually now matriculate into the school and then 210 hits and kids will go.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:31 - 2:59:33)
Mr. Spritz, to your point about force,

[Speaker 1] (2:59:33 - 2:59:37)
one of our other concerns is between Sergeant Road.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:38 - 2:59:40)
And Laurel Road on Forest.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:42 - 2:59:51)
Right now what we're going to be doing is we're going to be completely blocking no parking at all between Sargent and the UU Church.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:52 - 2:59:53)
on either side.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:53 - 2:59:56)
Because what we do have is unenforced,

[Speaker 5] (2:59:56 - 2:59:56)
It's unfortunate.

[Speaker 3] (2:59:56 - 2:59:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:56 - 2:59:57)
yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:59:57 - 3:00:06)
What we do have is, like you said, we'll get people who do drop off, they think they can sneak in and they're going to run up and there's restricted parking there.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:06 - 3:00:12)
There are four houses on one side, one house on the other side.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:14 - 3:00:18)
We are going to keep that completely clear because of the traffic flow,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:19 - 3:00:23)
what has happened in the past, and we get a lot of walkers coming from that area.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:24 - 3:00:26)
Both sides get occupied with parked vehicles.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:26 - 3:00:28)
You then have two full lanes of traffic,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:28 - 3:00:31)
cars exiting from the school,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:31 - 3:00:33)
whether it's drop off or pick up, coming from the church,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:33 - 3:00:35)
other cars trying to get in,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:35 - 3:00:37)
there becomes a major traffic jam.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:37 - 3:00:43)
And we've had some incident in the past where we've had to shut it down, move vehicles,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:43 - 3:00:46)
and if we had had the extra width of the road,

[Speaker 1] (3:00:46 - 3:00:51)
there would not be an issue. It gets cumbersome for the crossing guard.

[Speaker 1] (3:00:51 - 3:01:09)
guard at that crosswalk monitoring both sides of Forest and Laurel it would be unfair to create an unfortunate situation for someone who's giving their time to help the kids cross with the overbearing problem of a traffic situation like that so we're just going to eliminate it it's

[Speaker 6] (3:01:09 - 3:01:09)
There's

[Speaker 1] (3:01:09 - 3:01:09)
going to

[Speaker 6] (3:01:09 - 3:01:11)
the crosswalk at sergeant.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:12 - 3:01:13)
There's a crosswalk at sergeant.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:13 - 3:01:17)
There's a sergeant across force and then at the backside of the middle school,

[Speaker 6] (3:01:17 - 3:01:19)
there's like a zig,

[Speaker 6] (3:01:19 - 3:01:20)
a Z almost.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:21 - 3:01:21)
Say again?

[Speaker 1] (3:01:21 - 3:01:23)
Are you looking at sergeant enforced?

[Speaker 6] (3:01:24 - 3:01:28)
Sergeant force and across the street, which is the other, the other.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:30 - 3:01:33)
crosswalk that's also manned that goes into the

[Speaker 1] (3:01:33 - 3:01:33)
parking Down

[Speaker 6] (3:01:33 - 3:01:33)
lot.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:33 - 3:01:34)
by the church.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:34 - 3:01:36)
Ain't no, that goes into the parking lot into the

[Speaker 1] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36)
back of the middle

[Speaker 1] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36)
that's

[Speaker 6] (3:01:36 - 3:01:36)
school.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:36 - 3:01:41)
a, on the, we're, to be quite honest, we're not worried about that fork, that intersection.

[Speaker 3] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
back for the elementary school.

[Speaker 6] (3:01:41 - 3:01:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:41 - 3:01:42)
We're

[Speaker 3] (3:01:42 - 3:01:42)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:42 - 3:01:44)
going down in front of Laurel Road where

[Speaker 6] (3:01:44 - 3:01:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:45 - 3:01:46)
the UU church is.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:47 - 3:01:51)
There's a crosswalk at the UU church, there's a crosswalk at Laurel.

[Speaker 1] (3:01:52 - 3:01:58)
So that you're crossing over you're on you're on forest to have you're crossing the street over in to go into the church

[Speaker 6] (3:01:58 - 3:01:59)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:00 - 3:02:06)
So there's not going to be parking on forest from sergeant road to laurel road

[Speaker 1] (3:02:07 - 3:02:10)
And there is marked signs there now for residents only

[Speaker 1] (3:02:11 - 3:02:19)
And we're going to work with the residents there, but we are not going to allow anybody to park there. We're going to put up sawhorses. It's going to be no parking. It's going to be marked.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:19 - 3:02:20)
During that time.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:21 - 3:02:27)
During morning in and pick-up, uh w after morning and afternoon pick-ups.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:27 - 3:02:28)
So I thought you mentioned to

[Speaker 1] (3:02:28 - 3:02:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:28 - 3:02:28)
be clear. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:30 - 3:02:33)
So the f the signs are going to be the signs are clear.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:34 - 3:02:36)
The sawhorse is going to make it abundantly clear.

[Speaker 6] (3:02:36 - 3:02:36)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:36 - 3:02:40)
We're not going to let you park your car and walk your child to school.

[Speaker 3] (3:02:40 - 3:02:44)
Can we just make sure the residents have, have you spoken with the residents in their area

[Speaker 1] (3:02:44 - 3:02:44)
Brian

[Speaker 3] (3:02:44 - 3:02:45)
too? There's only a few houses.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:45 - 3:02:48)
and I are going to be working with them directly.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:48 - 3:02:48)
And

[Speaker 3] (3:02:48 - 3:02:52)
I think they'll be fine because it's a benefit to them because I know that they get pretty annoyed.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:52 - 3:02:56)
And this was a strategy that when Mr.

[Speaker 1] (3:02:56 - 3:03:00)
Kalishman was principal at the middle school and we changed the bus line pickup.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:00 - 3:03:00)
Up.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:00 - 3:03:02)
It was a headache in the beginning,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:02 - 3:03:06)
but we line Forest Ave with saw horses on one side of the street.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:06 - 3:03:06)
That's great.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:06 - 3:03:07)
Parents,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:07 - 3:03:08)
you can't park here anymore.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:08 - 3:03:12)
And after about three weeks,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:12 - 3:03:15)
the saw horses went away and there was no parking.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:15 - 3:03:17)
People became accustomed to their routine.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:18 - 3:03:19)
That's our goal.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:19 - 3:03:21)
That's what we're looking to establish.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:23 - 3:03:24)
We think that will be successful.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:24 - 3:03:29)
So outside of not parking on that small strip on Forest,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:29 - 3:03:29)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:29 - 3:03:33)
is there any other parking changes that are happening around the elementary school?

[Speaker 1] (3:03:33 - 3:03:34)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:34 - 3:03:35)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:35 - 3:03:35)
Love

[Speaker 1] (3:03:35 - 3:03:35)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:03:35 - 3:03:36)
that.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:37 - 3:03:41)
No, we're going to be working with the community, working with the residents.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:41 - 3:03:42)
We know how valuable it is to them.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:44 - 3:03:47)
We pride ourselves on face-to-face communication,

[Speaker 1] (3:03:47 - 3:03:49)
so we'll go knock on doors and do whatever we have to do.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:50 - 3:03:59)
And then with the help of a committee that might be able to finalize some other problems or come up with better solutions because we're an open book.

[Speaker 1] (3:03:59 - 3:04:01)
We appreciate.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:02 - 3:04:13)
experts, but we we like to think that um the community as a whole developing a plan and coming together with with facts and and problem solving is the best case scenario.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:13 - 3:04:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:04:14 - 3:04:14)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:14 - 3:04:15)
Well, I think this is great.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:16 - 3:04:20)
I think that should be the last slide. There might be one more, I'm not sure.

[Speaker 7] (3:04:20 - 3:04:20)
Conclusion and follow

[Speaker 8] (3:04:20 - 3:04:22)
That was conclusion and follow up too.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:22 - 3:04:24)
Yep, so here we are. We're gonna be um

[Speaker 1] (3:04:25 - 3:04:33)
Working for two to four weeks on this, we'll be coming up with our, Brian and I will be doing our reports. We're notifying the town administrator as well as you, the board,

[Speaker 1] (3:04:33 - 3:04:40)
including the progress and process, any problems that we may have or any other slight adjustments that could be necessary.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:41 - 3:04:45)
And also, we are open. If there's concerns,

[Speaker 1] (3:04:45 - 3:04:47)
if there's issues, if there's complaints,

[Speaker 1] (3:04:47 - 3:04:49)
very accessible.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:50 - 3:04:56)
You know, I'm willing to sit down and listen to anyone who wants to talk and take feedback.

[Speaker 1] (3:04:56 - 3:04:59)
So by all means, please be sure to extend our information.

[Speaker 9] (3:05:00 - 3:05:02)
The fire is aware that they're going to be helping out here.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:02 - 3:05:03)
Yes, they are aware.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:05 - 3:05:09)
I think the only other thing, this is fantastic and I'm glad that we're forward thinking,

[Speaker 3] (3:05:09 - 3:05:11)
but thinking to snow,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:11 - 3:05:11)
Mm

[Speaker 3] (3:05:11 - 3:05:11)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:05:11 - 3:05:11)
-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:11 - 3:05:13)
think this will be helpful,

[Speaker 3] (3:05:13 - 3:05:22)
very helpful because a lot of the issues, especially on Laurel, is the street's not wide enough already and then with snow, it's further impacted.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:22 - 3:05:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:22 - 3:05:25)
Just making sure it's, I know Gino did his very best to try,

[Speaker 3] (3:05:25 - 3:05:31)
but sometimes snow removal was happening like right abutting that time frame and that made it really difficult.

[Speaker 3] (3:05:31 - 3:05:33)
Well, so just keeping that in mind too.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:33 - 3:05:34)
That's a great point,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:34 - 3:05:40)
and we've actually, we've already spoken about that, utilizing just communication measures,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:40 - 3:05:41)
forward thinking,

[Speaker 1] (3:05:41 - 3:05:51)
and, you know, it came to be very helpful having direct lines back and forth, so I think as it presents itself.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:52 - 3:05:57)
Knowing what we know now, last year was the first year that we had an abundance of snowfall in a while.

[Speaker 1] (3:05:58 - 3:06:03)
I think not only were the schools dealing with it, but just businesses and people in general.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:03 - 3:06:10)
So we were able to learn on the job, as they say, last year, and we're going to use it to the best advantage we can this year coming up.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:10 - 3:06:14)
As of right now, has there been any communication with parents that there's going to be a change?

[Speaker 1] (3:06:15 - 3:06:16)
Not from us, no.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:16 - 3:06:18)
So only the people that are watching.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:18 - 3:06:19)
Correct.

[Speaker 8] (3:06:19 - 3:06:20)
Do the schools not send something else?

[Speaker 1] (3:06:21 - 3:06:22)
I believe

[Speaker 9] (3:06:22 - 3:06:22)
Not yet.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:22 - 3:06:22)
Ms.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:22 - 3:06:24)
Sanborn was working on that and putting that out.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:24 - 3:06:25)
Yeah, we're waiting for this.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:25 - 3:06:26)
There was a,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:26 - 3:06:26)
this

[Speaker 3] (3:06:26 - 3:06:27)
When does it

[Speaker 1] (3:06:27 - 3:06:27)
was,

[Speaker 3] (3:06:27 - 3:06:27)
start?

[Speaker 1] (3:06:27 - 3:06:27)
well

[Speaker 9] (3:06:27 - 3:06:28)
September 2nd.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:28 - 3:06:33)
this was also to be on the meeting before.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:33 - 3:06:33)
Yeah, it

[Speaker 1] (3:06:33 - 3:06:33)
So

[Speaker 9] (3:06:33 - 3:06:34)
was supposed to be

[Speaker 1] (3:06:34 - 3:06:35)
this last is delayed because of the,

[Speaker 1] (3:06:35 - 3:06:38)
this was on the agenda for the last meeting.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:38 - 3:06:41)
So it was our goal. I mean, I.

[Speaker 1] (3:06:42 - 3:06:48)
I just got my feet running again this week in my position, so we're catching up and trying to make some progress. So Thank

[Speaker 9] (3:06:48 - 3:06:51)
And I for one am very glad to see you in that role because

[Speaker 1] (3:06:51 - 3:06:51)
you.

[Speaker 9] (3:06:51 - 3:07:00)
you weren't for a while and I think we suffered and traffic wise there are almost 800 kids in that building and

[Speaker 9] (3:07:00 - 3:07:08)
however many parents picking up on a daily basis and without someone to orchestrate how that's going to happen it is just been chaos so yeah

[Speaker 3] (3:07:08 - 3:07:13)
Yeah. I think it's also important to note, like for my family, we have multiple people picking up on different days,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:13 - 3:07:13)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:13 - 3:07:13)
right?

[Speaker 9] (3:07:13 - 3:07:13)
yeah

[Speaker 3] (3:07:13 - 3:07:15)
Like my in-laws help and you know,

[Speaker 9] (3:07:15 - 3:07:16)
there's a lot of grandparents picking

[Speaker 3] (3:07:16 - 3:07:16)
so there's

[Speaker 9] (3:07:16 - 3:07:17)
up

[Speaker 1] (3:07:17 - 3:07:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:17 - 3:07:19)
so there's not just an education of ourselves,

[Speaker 3] (3:07:19 - 3:07:20)
but an education of the

[Speaker 6] (3:07:20 - 3:07:21)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (3:07:21 - 3:07:21)
community

[Speaker 6] (3:07:21 - 3:07:21)
parents.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:21 - 3:07:22)
we use to help support us.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:22 - 3:07:23)
Indeed.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:23 - 3:07:26)
So it's not just like the first week of school, everybody knows what they're doing.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:26 - 3:07:26)
doing in

[Speaker 1] (3:07:26 - 3:07:27)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (3:07:27 - 3:07:29)
sort of a all year long figuring it out.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:29 - 3:07:33)
Absolutely. And it's, you know, when we get people who move in to town,

[Speaker 1] (3:07:33 - 3:07:35)
they're coming in, they're learning things, coming back to the school district.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:36 - 3:07:41)
So, you know, whatever we can do to make it easier for people, we will do.

[Speaker 1] (3:07:41 - 3:07:46)
And we're open for any feedback.

[Speaker 9] (3:07:46 - 3:07:51)
What effort is made from your department and the schools to get more kids walking?

[Speaker 9] (3:07:53 - 3:07:58)
or riding their bikes, whatever. Is that is that something that that's actually done or

[Speaker 1] (3:07:58 - 3:08:01)
Well, I mean, we've done it in a couple of different ways in the past.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:02 - 3:08:09)
You know, with Officer Wilson was the primary SRO. I've been able to help him last year and working on and be working more with him this year.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:10 - 3:08:15)
We often pride ourselves on the bike to school and safety programs.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:16 - 3:08:19)
We're coming up. We are having a public safety day where we're going to be talking.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:19 - 3:08:29)
Talking about bike safety and kids on the bikes and utilizing it and being better and getting out as riding their bikes to school like we all used to do.

[Speaker 2] (3:08:29 - 3:08:30)
Mm-hmm,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:31 - 3:08:34)
As far as creating different walking groups,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:35 - 3:08:36)
I know that the PTO has

[Speaker 2] (3:08:36 - 3:08:36)
mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (3:08:36 - 3:08:40)
worked on I forget the term that they used

[Speaker 3] (3:08:41 - 3:08:42)
school bus

[Speaker 1] (3:08:42 - 3:08:42)
Like

[Speaker 3] (3:08:42 - 3:08:42)
walking

[Speaker 1] (3:08:42 - 3:08:43)
a walking

[Speaker 3] (3:08:43 - 3:08:43)
bus

[Speaker 1] (3:08:43 - 3:08:59)
car, a walking bus or a walking carpool where they'll meet at a certain area and then they all walk in together and usually there might be one parent that will take a group of 10 kids a day and the parents rotate throughout their their little group that they're working with. But in short, no,

[Speaker 1] (3:08:59 - 3:09:00)
we don't really.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:01 - 3:09:05)
project them to do anything as far as their transportation and walking to school.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:06 - 3:09:17)
I think it's a great idea and it's something we could probably get to them within the first week or two of school and create something fun to try and help get them to get on their feet and walk.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:17 - 3:09:20)
We're also talking about kindergarten to fourth grade.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:21 - 3:09:21)
The

[Speaker 1] (3:09:21 - 3:09:21)
That's

[Speaker 4] (3:09:21 - 3:09:21)
fact that true kids

[Speaker 1] (3:09:21 - 3:09:22)
too.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:22 - 3:09:23)
are just going to strut out and walk

[Speaker 1] (3:09:23 - 3:09:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (3:09:23 - 3:09:23)
to school is

[Speaker 1] (3:09:23 - 3:09:24)
it's true too.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:24 - 3:09:25)
probably not going to happen.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:26 - 3:09:29)
I mean, my kid bikes to school and I'm petrified because, you

[Speaker 5] (3:09:29 - 3:09:30)
You should

[Speaker 4] (3:09:30 - 3:09:30)
know,

[Speaker 5] (3:09:30 - 3:09:30)
be.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:30 - 3:09:31)
we've had somebody that was

[Speaker 5] (3:09:31 - 3:09:32)
Was hit.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:32 - 3:09:32)
hit.

[Speaker 5] (3:09:32 - 3:09:32)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:32 - 3:09:33)
It's really not funny.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:33 - 3:09:36)
A child was hit at the corner of Salem and Humphrey on a bike.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:36 - 3:09:37)
Yes, yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:37 - 3:09:42)
So it's, you know, it's not that easy to say just walk to school or bike to school.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:42 - 3:09:46)
And those are the things that we are looking at. We're looking at, you know,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:46 - 3:09:47)
what.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:48 - 3:09:52)
We're looking at Humphrey and Puritan right now. We're looking at Salem and Humphrey. We're looking at Atlantic.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:52 - 3:09:55)
One of the things we just got through was Atlantic,

[Speaker 1] (3:09:55 - 3:09:57)
Humphrey and Puritan.

[Speaker 6] (3:09:57 - 3:09:57)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (3:09:57 - 3:09:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:09:57 - 3:10:10)
We added traffic calming measures with dashed lines in front. We repainted sidewalks. We did a major pruning of trees and cleaned up line of sight.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:10 - 3:10:14)
The island in the area, they're working on sidewalks right now.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:14 - 3:10:14)
now

[Speaker 4] (3:10:14 - 3:10:14)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:10:14 - 3:10:14)
for

[Speaker 4] (3:10:14 - 3:10:15)
know it's

[Speaker 1] (3:10:15 - 3:10:15)
for

[Speaker 4] (3:10:15 - 3:10:15)
tough.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:15 - 3:10:27)
paving the sidewalks and that was just in that location we know that's a hot spot but obviously we're looking to get the best bang for the buck and what we can do to help make things better

[Speaker 1] (3:10:29 - 3:10:30)
And, you know, don't,

[Speaker 4] (3:10:30 - 3:10:31)
I appreciate

[Speaker 1] (3:10:31 - 3:10:31)
don't

[Speaker 4] (3:10:31 - 3:10:31)
it.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:31 - 3:10:33)
ever, we like a good challenge,

[Speaker 4] (3:10:33 - 3:10:33)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:10:33 - 3:10:33)
so we'll take

[Speaker 4] (3:10:33 - 3:10:34)
think we

[Speaker 1] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
it.

[Speaker 4] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
all appreciate

[Speaker 7] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:10:34 - 3:10:34)
it.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:34 - 3:10:48)
think the other thing, Mary Ellen, not just educating kids about bike safety and walking safety and encouraging them to do that, but that, you guys don't get me started, but helping educate the community about during that commuter time,

[Speaker 7] (3:10:48 - 3:10:48)
right,

[Speaker 7] (3:10:48 - 3:10:53)
like everyone's focused on, I got to get to work and that's the priority, but like we're encouraging our kids to walk and bike.

[Speaker 1] (3:10:53 - 3:10:54)
bike. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:54 - 3:10:59)
So if we're not prioritizing our own thought process to understand we need to take a moment,

[Speaker 1] (3:10:59 - 3:10:59)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (3:10:59 - 3:11:00)
give some grace,

[Speaker 7] (3:11:00 - 3:11:06)
relax and allow this to be a thing that happens in our community. If we're not a biking or walking community,

[Speaker 7] (3:11:06 - 3:11:08)
we will never see that increase occur.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:08 - 3:11:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:09 - 3:11:13)
So we as a community need to make a concerted effort, even if you don't have school-aged kids,

[Speaker 7] (3:11:13 - 3:11:15)
to make sure that you're thinking about that and

[Speaker 1] (3:11:15 - 3:11:16)
Sure, absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (3:11:16 - 3:11:17)
acting accordingly.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:17 - 3:11:21)
And as a department on our end of things,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:21 - 3:11:24)
we are aware of it because when school comes back,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:24 - 3:11:27)
the volume of traffic obviously increases.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:28 - 3:11:31)
We always see it on an annual basis,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:31 - 3:11:31)
September.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:32 - 3:11:34)
presents a lot of vehicles,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:34 - 3:11:35)
a lot of traffic,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:36 - 3:11:38)
uniformed cars,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:38 - 3:11:45)
uniformed patrol keeping us out in the public and having us visible in a lot of those hot spots and areas,

[Speaker 1] (3:11:45 - 3:11:56)
even just a cruiser on the side of the road as you're driving down is already a calming measure. People are going to try to slow down. So we're going to use our resources to the best of our ability so that we can help prevent anything from happening.

[Speaker 1] (3:11:57 - 3:11:58)
We're

[Speaker 8] (3:11:58 - 3:11:58)
But just we

[Speaker 1] (3:11:58 - 3:11:59)
going to do what we can.

[Speaker 8] (3:11:59 - 3:12:04)
So of the 800 students, and you talked about the buses coming in and out, what is the proportion of students?

[Speaker 4] (3:12:04 - 3:12:05)
There's one bus.

[Speaker 7] (3:12:06 - 3:12:07)
Well, there's one town bus

[Speaker 4] (3:12:07 - 3:12:07)
One

[Speaker 7] (3:12:07 - 3:12:07)
and then

[Speaker 4] (3:12:07 - 3:12:07)
town

[Speaker 7] (3:12:07 - 3:12:07)
there's

[Speaker 4] (3:12:07 - 3:12:08)
bus.

[Speaker 7] (3:12:08 - 3:12:09)
a bus to the JCC,

[Speaker 4] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:12:09 - 3:12:09)
So there's.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:09 - 3:12:12)
we get four yellow school buses that come in.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:12 - 3:12:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:12:12 - 3:12:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:13 - 3:12:19)
And they've changed differently. Some years there we need more access,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:19 - 3:12:21)
but we've maxed out at four.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:21 - 3:12:23)
And that's within the...

[Speaker 1] (3:12:25 - 3:12:26)
The radius of where

[Speaker 4] (3:12:26 - 3:12:27)
Too much.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:27 - 3:12:35)
the school is in the mileage and in what is eligible for them to get to have their rides to. Um we're not in charge of the buses per se, that's

[Speaker 4] (3:12:35 - 3:12:35)
It's under in the the

[Speaker 1] (3:12:35 - 3:12:35)
school

[Speaker 4] (3:12:35 - 3:12:35)
department,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:35 - 3:12:36)
department, so

[Speaker 4] (3:12:36 - 3:12:36)
so that

[Speaker 1] (3:12:36 - 3:12:39)
they they create the

[Speaker 4] (3:12:39 - 3:12:40)
Open it up.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:39 - 3:12:43)
The attendance list or the ride list for each bus and where they go,

[Speaker 4] (3:12:43 - 3:12:43)
So

[Speaker 1] (3:12:43 - 3:12:46)
but we also get school buses that come from the YMCA,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:46 - 3:12:47)
the JCC,

[Speaker 1] (3:12:47 - 3:12:48)
other camps

[Speaker 4] (3:12:48 - 3:12:49)
the school.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:49 - 3:12:53)
that are coming to pick up kids that are going to after school programs.

[Speaker 7] (3:12:53 - 3:12:53)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:53 - 3:12:57)
Parents that are working until five need their kids to go somewhere.

[Speaker 4] (3:12:57 - 3:12:57)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:57 - 3:12:57)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:12:57 - 3:12:58)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:58 - 3:12:58)
that's

[Speaker 8] (3:12:58 - 3:12:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:12:58 - 3:13:00)
where that comes in.

[Speaker 8] (3:13:01 - 3:13:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:13:01 - 3:13:03)
I have to look greater than 2.0 miles to

[Speaker 8] (3:13:03 - 3:13:03)
That right.

[Speaker 4] (3:13:03 - 3:13:04)
qualify.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:04 - 3:13:10)
But it's more than just swamp SCAD. It's going to after school programs,

[Speaker 4] (3:13:10 - 3:13:11)
Yeah, the JCC,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:11 - 3:13:11)
JCC,

[Speaker 4] (3:13:11 - 3:13:12)
the Y.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:12 - 3:13:14)
the Hillel, the Y,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:14 - 3:13:16)
Salem Arts,

[Speaker 1] (3:13:16 - 3:13:18)
you know, reach arts and Lynn.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:18 - 3:13:21)
I mean, there's a variety of different programs that the kids go to.

[Speaker 9] (3:13:25 - 3:13:26)
Okay, this was great.

[Speaker 10] (3:13:26 - 3:13:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (3:13:27 - 3:13:28)
Thanks, Kevin.

[Speaker 10] (3:13:28 - 3:13:28)
Thank you

[Speaker 1] (3:13:28 - 3:13:28)
Have

[Speaker 10] (3:13:28 - 3:13:28)
very much.

[Speaker 1] (3:13:28 - 3:13:28)
a good night.

[Speaker 8] (3:13:28 - 3:13:29)
Thank you.

[Speaker 10] (3:13:29 - 3:13:29)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:29 - 3:13:30)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:34 - 3:13:35)
All right.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:36 - 3:13:45)
Let's, I'm going to suggest we move to the Lynn multi-modal corridor project. We will talk about the goals, but sure,

[Speaker 9] (3:13:45 - 3:13:46)
Another time.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:47 - 3:13:49)
you want to talk, we can table it till next meeting

[Speaker 9] (3:13:49 - 3:13:49)
That'd be great.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:49 - 3:13:51)
if people are good with that. It's

[Speaker 8] (3:13:52 - 3:13:52)
Yes, a plate.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:52 - 3:13:53)
The public has

[Speaker 8] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53)
I think

[Speaker 7] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53)
a glance

[Speaker 8] (3:13:53 - 3:13:53)
so.

[Speaker 7] (3:13:53 - 3:14:02)
at our minutes, so you can certainly l take a look at them and then we can um talk next meeting if we could put that on the next meeting, Shannon, that would be great.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:02 - 3:14:03)
So we're moving on to the

[Speaker 7] (3:14:03 - 3:14:03)
So

[Speaker 11] (3:14:03 - 3:14:03)
multi-modal.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:03 - 3:14:04)
we're moving on to multi.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:04 - 3:14:07)
Okay. I am Mm. recusing myself again for my

[Speaker 7] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
Oh

[Speaker 11] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
explanation

[Speaker 7] (3:14:07 - 3:14:07)
yeah.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:07 - 3:14:08)
last meeting.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:08 - 3:14:09)
Yes, okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:14:09 - 3:14:10)
You need to clean headphones and uh

[Speaker 11] (3:14:10 - 3:14:10)
No, my.

[Speaker 8] (3:14:10 - 3:14:11)
okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:11 - 3:14:12)
Just gonna walk

[Speaker 7] (3:14:12 - 3:14:12)
Take a

[Speaker 11] (3:14:12 - 3:14:12)
around

[Speaker 7] (3:14:12 - 3:14:12)
walk.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:12 - 3:14:12)
the audience.

[Speaker 8] (3:14:12 - 3:14:14)
It's in the library if you want, whatever.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:14 - 3:14:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:14:14 - 3:14:15)
Um so

[Speaker 4] (3:14:15 - 3:14:15)
Huh.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:15 - 3:14:16)
Okay,

[Speaker 4] (3:14:16 - 3:14:16)
Oh, well.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:16 - 3:14:17)
it's gonna go for a bike ride.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:17 - 3:14:17)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:18 - 3:14:19)
Not out of the way.

[Speaker 11] (3:14:19 - 3:14:38)
If I can just share the reason that there is not a draft to review right now is that the feedback was varied and it was hard to align into a draft that we could circulate so I think the ultimate goal would be for you all to speak a little bit more and deliberate in order to put something together.

[Speaker 4] (3:14:39 - 3:14:40)
What are we deliberating about?

[Speaker 7] (3:14:40 - 3:14:43)
The letter that was presented to us.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:43 - 3:14:50)
for review from the like tri boards,

[Speaker 8] (3:14:50 - 3:14:50)
Three

[Speaker 7] (3:14:50 - 3:14:50)
I guess

[Speaker 8] (3:14:50 - 3:14:50)
boards.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:50 - 3:14:54)
the three boards that to Kim Driscoll,

[Speaker 7] (3:14:54 - 3:14:54)
yeah,

[Speaker 8] (3:14:54 - 3:14:57)
I had circulated. It's a draft that had been worked on.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:57 - 3:14:57)
yeah, yeah

[Speaker 8] (3:14:57 - 3:14:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (3:14:57 - 3:14:58)
yeah, you,

[Speaker 7] (3:14:58 - 3:14:59)
I think you gave comments tonight.

[Speaker 4] (3:14:59 - 3:15:00)
I did.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:00 - 3:15:04)
Um, so I think, um,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:04 - 3:15:08)
for me and reading that letter, it didn't really, um,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:10 - 3:15:18)
I guess it didn't really align where I thought, like, we were going to get to where we wanted to be.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:18 - 3:15:28)
So I think, like, I would prefer to go more of a route in that letter which sort of acknowledges, like, I.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:28 - 3:15:36)
Maybe some members of the board feel like this is not a great idea. Maybe some members of the board feel like it's not the idea that's the problem,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:36 - 3:15:39)
but it's actually the process and how the idea came to be and,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:39 - 3:15:41)
you know, is it thoroughly being thought out.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:42 - 3:15:50)
And so I guess if we want to seat at the table with the people who are really going to affect the change,

[Speaker 7] (3:15:50 - 3:15:54)
I think we need to be clear on what exactly.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:55 - 3:15:56)
we're asking for.

[Speaker 7] (3:15:57 - 3:16:05)
And I don't think the letter right now is clear about we're asking them to come to the table and we're asking them to engage with us, but what essentially our do we want out of the conversation?

[Speaker 4] (3:16:09 - 3:16:10)
So did you

[Speaker 8] (3:16:10 - 3:16:11)
Great question.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:11 - 3:16:20)
put any ideas down on what we're I'm just I think the the big thing that we need to get done is give our recommendation

[Speaker 12] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
You

[Speaker 4] (3:16:21 - 3:16:21)
What

[Speaker 12] (3:16:21 - 3:16:22)
know, what

[Speaker 4] (3:16:22 - 3:16:22)
is it?

[Speaker 12] (3:16:22 - 3:16:23)
what is our what what

[Speaker 4] (3:16:23 - 3:16:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (3:16:23 - 3:16:34)
is our recommendation, you know, quantify it and have them rewrite it or, you know, put something together.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:35 - 3:16:40)
So I guess my my issue is this is a project that's already underway.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:41 - 3:16:43)
So what are we looking to see?

[Speaker 4] (3:16:44 - 3:16:47)
What do we have the ability to control at this point?

[Speaker 4] (3:16:48 - 3:16:58)
and so we're talking about the Linway right so let me understand they already have that lane right that they've built for the the bikes right

[Speaker 11] (3:16:58 - 3:16:58)
Mm

[Speaker 4] (3:16:58 - 3:16:58)
and

[Speaker 11] (3:16:58 - 3:16:59)
-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (3:16:59 - 3:17:02)
they expanding that is it going further the other way

[Speaker 8] (3:17:03 - 3:17:07)
I believe the project itself was about creating individual bus lanes.

[Speaker 7] (3:17:07 - 3:17:07)
Right,

[Speaker 7] (3:17:07 - 3:17:08)
a center bus lane.

[Speaker 8] (3:17:08 - 3:17:14)
Yeah, well a couple of things from, you know, when I was present at the at the meeting in, was it May

[Speaker 13] (3:17:14 - 3:17:15)
Mm.

[Speaker 8] (3:17:15 - 3:17:17)
here at the senior centre, and it was

[Speaker 8] (3:17:18 - 3:17:26)
i prioritising bus lanes so they could easily come on heading into Boston, but they then they this is where

[Speaker 8] (3:17:27 - 3:17:29)
Let me back up for a second.

[Speaker 8] (3:17:30 - 3:17:33)
The letter was fundamentally asking,

[Speaker 8] (3:17:33 - 3:17:39)
have you taken into account all the other projects that are stacked up on the Linway to get into Boston,

[Speaker 8] (3:17:39 - 3:17:46)
including everything from the high school to the bridge being rebuilt and all these other things stacked up? I get that.

[Speaker 8] (3:17:47 - 3:17:48)
For me,

[Speaker 8] (3:17:48 - 3:17:52)
it didn't address the issues of what I think is a flawed study.

[Speaker 8] (3:17:53 - 3:17:54)
on the Linway itself.

[Speaker 8] (3:17:55 - 3:17:58)
And what bothers me is a couple of things.

[Speaker 8] (3:17:58 - 3:18:00)
One is the fact that, yes,

[Speaker 8] (3:18:00 - 3:18:06)
you are taking up a lane and dedicating it for a bus because I believe the idea was to go every 10 minutes for the bus.

[Speaker 8] (3:18:07 - 3:18:17)
which is great, that's fine. But that bus then has to cross over a lane and one of the ideas again was to have a bus stop, an elevated bus stop on a platform on the median,

[Speaker 8] (3:18:17 - 3:18:21)
which would then require passengers to get out onto this

[Speaker 8] (3:18:22 - 3:18:23)
median

[Speaker 12] (3:18:23 - 3:18:23)
platform.

[Speaker 8] (3:18:23 - 3:18:24)
platform, which also

[Speaker 1] (3:18:24 - 3:18:45)
which also now takes up more center right then you have to then you have a passenger safety issue obviously of then having to stop traffic both ways for them to get in and out right that i'm trying to understand did that get accounted for in the study then you have the buses coming

[Speaker 1] (3:18:45 - 3:19:09)
northbound that want to turn on commercial street that they're suggesting to use the right lane to turn across the entirety of the stretch on both the its own lane and the opposing lane so you now you have to stop traffic again both ways for it to completely complete to complete the curve that seemed not just

[Speaker 1] (3:19:09 - 3:19:13)
A little bit strange. I've never quite seen that at least around here before.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:13 - 3:19:15)
So I'm concerned about the complexity.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:15 - 3:19:17)
I'm concerned about the delay.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:18 - 3:19:25)
I'm concerned about the danger that it puts in adding all the complexities together of a potential accident.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:25 - 3:19:27)
I'm concerned about pedestrian safety.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:28 - 3:19:31)
I think...

[Speaker 1] (3:19:31 - 3:19:34)
If we solve the problem of the timing,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:34 - 3:19:37)
which has been a 25-year problem of the light timing,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:38 - 3:19:46)
and if the buses can find and stay on the right side of the road and not necessarily have to have a bus lane,

[Speaker 1] (3:19:46 - 3:19:53)
I think that would solve the original problem, which was the congestion issue of the buses trying to operate.

[Speaker 1] (3:19:54 - 3:20:08)
I think this has been too big of a too big of a a funded study to try to come up and solve a problem that that I question whether or not find a solution for a problem I question whether or not was appropriately um

[Speaker 3] (3:20:08 - 3:20:09)
Vetted.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:09 - 3:20:10)
So.

[Speaker 1] (3:20:10 - 3:20:13)
vetted not vetted but a pro a problem that was uh well understood.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:13 - 3:20:18)
So we're we're we're debating whether or not the MBTA.

[Speaker 3] (3:20:19 - 3:20:22)
DCR, Department of Transportation,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:22 - 3:20:24)
and City of Lynn,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:24 - 3:20:30)
all didn't think of any of this stuff that we're bringing up, right?

[Speaker 4] (3:20:30 - 3:20:30)
You

[Speaker 3] (3:20:30 - 3:20:31)
We're basically saying that

[Speaker 4] (3:20:31 - 3:20:32)
Lynn and Revere?

[Speaker 3] (3:20:32 - 3:20:37)
none of that, they haven't already thought of that when they were designing this,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:37 - 3:20:44)
which on its face seems to be something created to improve safety,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:44 - 3:20:45)
right,

[Speaker 3] (3:20:45 - 3:20:46)
for people that...

[Speaker 3] (3:20:46 - 3:21:00)
that live in that immediate downtown area for sure. So so we're taking the position that now we want to have a say or we want to now question all of the work they've already put in to

[Speaker 1] (3:21:00 - 3:21:01)
Yes

[Speaker 3] (3:21:01 - 3:21:04)
this point. But where were we two years ago

[Speaker 3] (3:21:05 - 3:21:06)
Longer for this

[Speaker 5] (3:21:06 - 3:21:07)
than that. It's been like 20 to 20,

[Speaker 3] (3:21:07 - 3:21:08)
before this was started?

[Speaker 5] (3:21:08 - 3:21:08)
20

[Speaker 3] (3:21:08 - 3:21:08)
So we're just gonna come

[Speaker 5] (3:21:08 - 3:21:09)
up 20

[Speaker 3] (3:21:09 - 3:21:09)
now and

[Speaker 5] (3:21:09 - 3:21:09)
20

[Speaker 3] (3:21:09 - 3:21:09)
come

[Speaker 5] (3:21:09 - 3:21:10)
20 21

[Speaker 3] (3:21:10 - 3:21:11)
out with a letter

[Speaker 6] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
They

[Speaker 3] (3:21:11 - 3:21:11)
saying

[Speaker 6] (3:21:11 - 3:21:13)
just they just this spring

[Speaker 6] (3:21:14 - 3:21:16)
late spring, early summer.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:17 - 3:21:21)
had a public presentation of the design. of the design. So

[Speaker 5] (3:21:21 - 3:21:21)
That's

[Speaker 6] (3:21:21 - 3:21:22)
we did not,

[Speaker 3] (3:21:22 - 3:21:23)
It's been in the works for a while.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:23 - 3:21:27)
we did not have access to it. It's still in the works. This is not, this is not

[Speaker 1] (3:21:27 - 3:21:27)
Study.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:27 - 3:21:29)
a a this is not a funded

[Speaker 3] (3:21:29 - 3:21:30)
I don't think it's a study.

[Speaker 5] (3:21:30 - 3:21:31)
It's not a study. It's

[Speaker 6] (3:21:31 - 3:21:31)
it's

[Speaker 5] (3:21:31 - 3:21:31)
well

[Speaker 6] (3:21:31 - 3:21:32)
not beyond a funded,

[Speaker 5] (3:21:32 - 3:21:32)
it's

[Speaker 6] (3:21:32 - 3:21:32)
this is

[Speaker 5] (3:21:32 - 3:21:33)
well beyond a study.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:33 - 3:21:35)
Yeah, it's a design. So it's

[Speaker 1] (3:21:35 - 3:21:36)
In the design phase,

[Speaker 6] (3:21:36 - 3:21:36)
the project.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:36 - 3:21:37)
fair enough.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:37 - 3:21:37)
It's

[Speaker 1] (3:21:37 - 3:21:38)
It's the design phase

[Speaker 6] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
the

[Speaker 1] (3:21:38 - 3:21:38)
of the actual project, but

[Speaker 6] (3:21:38 - 3:21:39)
project.

[Speaker 1] (3:21:39 - 3:21:42)
there's been no allocation of funds that I'm aware of to actually and and

[Speaker 6] (3:21:42 - 3:21:43)
No allocation of funds.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:43 - 3:21:43)
Is

[Speaker 6] (3:21:43 - 3:21:43)
Uh

[Speaker 3] (3:21:43 - 3:21:44)
that your name?

[Speaker 1] (3:21:44 - 3:21:46)
to to push the the project through.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:46 - 3:21:48)
I think it's on federal funding plans

[Speaker 3] (3:21:48 - 3:21:48)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:21:48 - 3:21:49)
in the same

[Speaker 3] (3:21:49 - 3:21:49)
It's

[Speaker 7] (3:21:49 - 3:21:49)
way that

[Speaker 3] (3:21:49 - 3:21:49)
a project,

[Speaker 7] (3:21:49 - 3:21:50)
a capital plan

[Speaker 3] (3:21:50 - 3:21:50)
is

[Speaker 7] (3:21:50 - 3:21:54)
is it? and it's not allocating funds in our years, but we anticipate this is a

[Speaker 3] (3:21:54 - 3:21:55)
They've started the work, right?

[Speaker 1] (3:21:56 - 3:21:56)
No.

[Speaker 6] (3:21:56 - 3:21:56)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:56 - 3:21:57)
Or no?

[Speaker 6] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
No.

[Speaker 3] (3:21:57 - 3:21:57)
No

[Speaker 7] (3:21:58 - 3:21:58)
The

[Speaker 1] (3:21:59 - 3:21:59)
That's

[Speaker 5] (3:21:59 - 3:21:59)
You start

[Speaker 1] (3:21:59 - 3:21:59)
correct.

[Speaker 5] (3:21:59 - 3:22:00)
some pre-work maybe,

[Speaker 7] (3:22:00 - 3:22:00)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:00 - 3:22:01)
right?

[Speaker 7] (3:22:01 - 3:22:02)
Yeah, well I mean, the

[Speaker 5] (3:22:02 - 3:22:03)
Like some

[Speaker 7] (3:22:03 - 3:22:05)
money that goes into design, they've not started construction.

[Speaker 3] (3:22:05 - 3:22:05)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:06 - 3:22:09)
Um so I guess uh I

[Speaker 5] (3:22:10 - 3:22:36)
think we should talk about so I agree with the first point you made which is the timing point I think that is the part that we have very strong ground to ask for some clearer explanation and some understanding over the multiple projects that are happening starting at the Nahant Rotary and going all the way past Wonderland right so like

[Speaker 6] (3:22:36 - 3:22:37)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:22:37 - 3:23:00)
like the timing of the not just the timing of the project but also the timing of the lights and all the the you want me to get close oh sorry I guess you don't want to get me closer um I think we have that there would be no reason why we can't say you know we understand the project is in its design phase and planning and we want to further dig deep into this specific aspect of it

[Speaker 5] (3:23:01 - 3:23:06)
I fully support that piece of the letter and I think that should be more fully fleshed out.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:06 - 3:23:14)
I think we are not well positioned at this point to sort of start tearing into some of this design part,

[Speaker 5] (3:23:14 - 3:23:16)
but we can certainly.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:18 - 3:23:19)
finesse some

[Speaker 1] (3:23:19 - 3:23:19)
So

[Speaker 5] (3:23:19 - 3:23:28)
conversations while we're there talking about timing for some additional data or information to understand why things have come to this point.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:28 - 3:23:38)
I just don't know why they would take a meeting with us at this point for the design aspects of it.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:38 - 3:23:40)
when the traffic consultants...

[Speaker 1] (3:23:41 - 3:23:42)
did their presentation.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:42 - 3:23:42)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:42 - 3:23:45)
They were explicitly looking for feedback from the public.

[Speaker 5] (3:23:45 - 3:23:45)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:45 - 3:23:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:23:46 - 3:23:58)
I think we as a board or three boards if not additional communities should be giving, you know, if they're not going to listen to an individual, they should be listening at least to the feedback of representation,

[Speaker 1] (3:23:58 - 3:24:00)
representatives from the community.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:00 - 3:24:06)
I feel that, you know, strongly that the feedback that I gave them was to the points that I'm saying to you now.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:07 - 3:24:21)
In that I feel that if they're going to do this, my question back would be to be constructive is at least help justify why you would displace tens of thousands of commuters,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:21 - 3:24:32)
what benefit does this reconfiguration of an entire area of 2.2 miles?

[Speaker 1] (3:24:33 - 3:24:34)
Explain the benefit.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:34 - 3:24:36)
How are they displacing the commuters?

[Speaker 6] (3:24:36 - 3:24:36)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:24:37 - 3:24:41)
They're displacing the commuters for longer wait times,

[Speaker 1] (3:24:41 - 3:24:44)
more vehicles or less vehicles per minute pushing through.

[Speaker 3] (3:24:44 - 3:24:45)
So I've had,

[Speaker 3] (3:24:45 - 3:24:51)
have you, am I the only one that's been contacted by people that live in this town that are in favor of this project?

[Speaker 5] (3:24:52 - 3:24:52)
No, I haven't

[Speaker 3] (3:24:52 - 3:24:53)
Because I have.

[Speaker 5] (3:24:53 - 3:24:54)
received some emails.

[Speaker 6] (3:24:55 - 3:25:15)
We have a one email I don't think that it's I don't I don't think I can tell you the other communities are not against improving especially for safety it's just the the thought process and some of the study that went into it where is the empirical data and what is the real evaluation of it I think that there is an issue of

[Speaker 6] (3:25:17 - 3:25:20)
Some of the information that's been given and what the outcome has really been.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:20 - 3:25:26)
I think everyone is in favor of making sure something is safer,

[Speaker 6] (3:25:26 - 3:25:27)
better.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:27 - 3:25:32)
I just think that there are some hiccups in it that need to be vetted a little bit more to help all the communities.

[Speaker 6] (3:25:33 - 3:25:36)
That's what I got from the one meeting I attended.

[Speaker 3] (3:25:37 - 3:25:37)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (3:25:37 - 3:25:40)
I mean, I don't know that that letter read that way.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:40 - 3:25:41)
I think

[Speaker 6] (3:25:41 - 3:25:42)
I think the letter

[Speaker 5] (3:25:42 - 3:25:42)
there missed are some...

[Speaker 6] (3:25:42 - 3:25:43)
a little bit.

[Speaker 5] (3:25:43 - 3:25:44)
Sorry to interrupt,

[Speaker 5] (3:25:44 - 3:25:47)
but I think that maybe we could,

[Speaker 5] (3:25:47 - 3:25:50)
I talked to Nick about a separate draft of a letter,

[Speaker 5] (3:25:50 - 3:25:58)
which sort of talks more about what, number one, the

[Speaker 5] (3:25:59 - 3:26:02)
issues about traffic and transit demand and all that kind of stuff,

[Speaker 5] (3:26:02 - 3:26:06)
the things that we can truly effectuate and change of the program,

[Speaker 5] (3:26:06 - 3:26:06)
right,

[Speaker 5] (3:26:06 - 3:26:09)
of this project happening. And then...

[Speaker 5] (3:26:10 - 3:26:25)
also talks we can add some I don't know that if it's exactly in here but if you want some more empirical data we can point to that so maybe we can present a separate edit of the letter for us to read and see if that more aligns with

[Speaker 5] (3:26:25 - 3:26:30)
at least the majority of us um and we can talk about it in our next meeting or they need it now

[Speaker 6] (3:26:30 - 3:26:31)
They need it now.

[Speaker 6] (3:26:31 - 3:26:34)
I don't think it's a good idea to wait for I would rather

[Speaker 5] (3:26:34 - 3:26:34)
well then nick's

[Speaker 6] (3:26:34 - 3:26:35)
said

[Speaker 5] (3:26:35 - 3:26:35)
gonna just

[Speaker 6] (3:26:35 - 3:26:35)
this at

[Speaker 5] (3:26:35 - 3:26:35)
send

[Speaker 6] (3:26:35 - 3:26:35)
Nick

[Speaker 5] (3:26:35 - 3:26:52)
it and he can but the problem is like if the philosophy behind the letter doesn't align this is what happened last time right so like the letter came out and I was like oh I'm gonna like this isn't just like oh we're missing a period like right it's a lot it was a lot so um

[Speaker 5] (3:26:53 - 3:26:58)
I guess if we don't align on that thought that we are just going to basically say,

[Speaker 5] (3:26:58 - 3:27:01)
hey, we recognize that this has good impact,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:01 - 3:27:09)
but we're concerned that you're not aligning the projects, right?

[Speaker 5] (3:27:09 - 3:27:11)
So there's multiple projects

[Speaker 1] (3:27:11 - 3:27:11)
That

[Speaker 5] (3:27:11 - 3:27:11)
happening.

[Speaker 1] (3:27:11 - 3:27:11)
part,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:11 - 3:27:11)
You're

[Speaker 1] (3:27:11 - 3:27:12)
yeah, I agree with

[Speaker 5] (3:27:12 - 3:27:12)
not aligning

[Speaker 1] (3:27:12 - 3:27:12)
you.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:12 - 3:27:13)
the projects.

[Speaker 5] (3:27:14 - 3:27:16)
We, I mean, in the draft,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:16 - 3:27:20)
you know, we request that a...

[Speaker 5] (3:27:21 - 3:27:27)
coordinated regional planning committee is created which involves MassDOT MBTA,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:27 - 3:27:28)
DCR, Lynn,

[Speaker 5] (3:27:28 - 3:27:47)
Revere, Marblehead, Swamscott and Hunt to consider all of those projects in all together and how it impacts all of those communities evaluating not just what happens on the roads that you're constructing but on you know Route 107, 129, other local roadways that that you've created some sort of structure around how you're going

[Speaker 5] (3:27:47 - 3:28:04)
going to the promises you're going to make and some accountability to the public to hold you to those promises if there's impact so like if there's significant impact how do we communicate that how does it stop the processes that are happening so we can figure out ways to solve it and not just like push through it

[Speaker 5] (3:28:05 - 3:28:11)
And some performance measures so that conditions can be monitored by the public and we can hold you accountable.

[Speaker 5] (3:28:11 - 3:28:14)
And then some alternatives to transportation,

[Speaker 5] (3:28:14 - 3:28:19)
like are we increasing ferry service? Are we increasing parking or transportation to?

[Speaker 2] (3:28:23 - 3:28:23)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:28:23 - 3:28:24)
Shuttle buses

[Speaker 1] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
routes?

[Speaker 2] (3:28:24 - 3:28:24)
yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:28:24 - 3:28:28)
Are the buses gonna run different ways fat more often all those kinds of things?

[Speaker 1] (3:28:28 - 3:28:35)
These are mitigation member like regular mitigation measures that we should be talking about and thinking about like

[Speaker 1] (3:28:36 - 3:28:37)
Again,

[Speaker 1] (3:28:37 - 3:28:48)
I don't think it's great to say like nobody here is saying that we are asking them to abandon the project or that we have better judgment than any of the towns who've already been considered, but rather, you know, like.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:49 - 3:28:53)
that there's some regional impacts that we're not sure were fully contemplated either

[Speaker 4] (3:28:53 - 3:28:54)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:28:54 - 3:29:03)
in a traffic study that went from this light on the Linway to this light on the Linway and we're trying to get that sort of really figured out.

[Speaker 5] (3:29:03 - 3:29:11)
I would have just thought we could we as the larger not just we in Swamp Scott but just the study and the project design would have at least

[Speaker 5] (3:29:12 - 3:29:34)
done the easy stuff first which was timing you do the timing and then you reevaluate really what the congestion is and what you're saving now there's what is the net benefit to not just lyft but to the wider community shouldn't there be a benefit you know if bus is going to run every 10 minutes okay the next comes from marblehead through swamp sky like the 442 i can't remember which number 441

[Speaker 6] (3:29:34 - 3:29:35)
Yep,

[Speaker 5] (3:29:35 - 3:29:36)
there's a 442 as well i

[Speaker 6] (3:29:36 - 3:29:37)
there's.

[Speaker 5] (3:29:37 - 3:29:38)
don't know if that's on paradise yeah

[Speaker 5] (3:29:39 - 3:29:46)
You know, in improving the bus service from here,

[Speaker 5] (3:29:46 - 3:29:52)
I applaud that completely, but we live in a kind of a hub-and-spoke piece of...

[Speaker 5] (3:29:53 - 3:29:56)
We're on a spoke. We're not near a hub.

[Speaker 5] (3:29:56 - 3:29:59)
We're on a long spoke that has to then connect into Revere.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:00 - 3:30:09)
Is that where, you know, is the ridership going to increase to such an extent that it's actually going to balance out anything out?

[Speaker 5] (3:30:09 - 3:30:11)
This is what I'm trying to understand.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:11 - 3:30:14)
I don't, maybe the data is there.

[Speaker 5] (3:30:14 - 3:30:15)
I haven't seen that data.

[Speaker 7] (3:30:15 - 3:30:17)
Well, I was never addressed that there,

[Speaker 5] (3:30:17 - 3:30:17)
It

[Speaker 7] (3:30:17 - 3:30:18)
that

[Speaker 5] (3:30:18 - 3:30:18)
was never addressed.

[Speaker 7] (3:30:18 - 3:30:19)
they're...

[Speaker 7] (3:30:20 - 3:30:22)
at their presentation,

[Speaker 7] (3:30:22 - 3:30:23)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (3:30:23 - 3:30:32)
Yeah, I think let's get in the door like if if they're going to take a meeting with us, it's because we're saying like these are immediate ways that we can improve the

[Speaker 7] (3:30:32 - 3:30:32)
Well it, it

[Speaker 1] (3:30:32 - 3:30:33)
thought process

[Speaker 7] (3:30:33 - 3:30:33)
needs to be

[Speaker 1] (3:30:33 - 3:30:35)
of the project right like let's

[Speaker 7] (3:30:35 - 3:30:36)
we're trying to be collaborative not

[Speaker 1] (3:30:36 - 3:30:43)
be collaborative and get in the door and say like okay these are the things and sure as we have this conversation as we create this sort of

[Speaker 1] (3:30:45 - 3:31:01)
committee of regional efforts to make sure this project is the best version of itself let's we can then start having some of these conversations down the road but to lead with like you know convince me why the bus lane is in the center and the platforms are raised is probably not going to be the yeah

[Speaker 7] (3:31:01 - 3:31:02)
well received.

[Speaker 1] (3:31:02 - 3:31:08)
a great introduction to getting some getting what we actually want to see happen

[Speaker 7] (3:31:08 - 3:31:10)
It just sounded more like a demand letter.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:10 - 3:31:15)
better and I don't think that's the approach that's going to get us heard or yeah

[Speaker 1] (3:31:15 - 3:31:16)
Effectuate change.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:16 - 3:31:20)
I just don't think it's going to be effective but what

[Speaker 1] (3:31:20 - 3:31:21)
So I was

[Speaker 5] (3:31:21 - 3:31:22)
You know, there's an election coming up.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:24 - 3:31:24)
does that mean you

[Speaker 5] (3:31:24 - 3:31:26)
There's an election coming up.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:26 - 3:31:28)
What, you know, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 5] (3:31:28 - 3:31:28)
this is...

[Speaker 7] (3:31:28 - 3:31:30)
mean congress what what election

[Speaker 5] (3:31:31 - 3:31:31)
governor?

[Speaker 1] (3:31:32 - 3:31:33)
Oh.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:33 - 3:31:34)
Right?

[Speaker 5] (3:31:34 - 3:31:38)
I'm just saying, I'm saying the people that are in power,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:38 - 3:31:38)
Okay, so that gets us a meeting,

[Speaker 1] (3:31:39 - 3:31:40)
but how does that get us change?

[Speaker 5] (3:31:40 - 3:31:41)
we,

[Speaker 5] (3:31:41 - 3:31:46)
if we have strong feelings about certain things and maybe that is or is not shared across this board and that's okay,

[Speaker 5] (3:31:47 - 3:31:47)
I respect that.

[Speaker 5] (3:31:48 - 3:31:52)
But if we do have strong feelings about this, I don't want to be afraid to, can we get in the door or not?

[Speaker 8] (3:31:53 - 3:31:57)
Then maybe you should write the letter and put your name on it, because we don't all have that same

[Speaker 5] (3:31:57 - 3:31:58)
I no, I respect that, Daniela, I do.

[Speaker 7] (3:31:58 - 3:32:03)
Why don't we just find out why don't we find out what we I how can we find out what we all what do we

[Speaker 1] (3:32:03 - 3:32:03)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:32:03 - 3:32:03)
all

[Speaker 1] (3:32:03 - 3:32:04)
that's

[Speaker 7] (3:32:04 - 3:32:04)
agree

[Speaker 1] (3:32:04 - 3:32:04)
what I'm

[Speaker 7] (3:32:04 - 3:32:04)
on

[Speaker 1] (3:32:04 - 3:32:05)
trying to s yes.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
let's just get

[Speaker 5] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
Yeah,

[Speaker 7] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
to

[Speaker 5] (3:32:05 - 3:32:05)
that's

[Speaker 7] (3:32:05 - 3:32:06)
what we

[Speaker 5] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
fair,

[Speaker 7] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
all agree

[Speaker 5] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
that's fair.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
on

[Speaker 8] (3:32:06 - 3:32:06)
That's

[Speaker 5] (3:32:06 - 3:32:07)
right? I

[Speaker 8] (3:32:07 - 3:32:07)
right.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:07 - 3:32:07)
I That's

[Speaker 5] (3:32:07 - 3:32:07)
agree.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:07 - 3:32:08)
all I'm trying to

[Speaker 5] (3:32:08 - 3:32:08)
That's

[Speaker 1] (3:32:08 - 3:32:08)
s that's

[Speaker 5] (3:32:08 - 3:32:08)
fair,

[Speaker 1] (3:32:08 - 3:32:08)
it sounds

[Speaker 5] (3:32:08 - 3:32:09)
that's

[Speaker 1] (3:32:09 - 3:32:09)
like

[Speaker 5] (3:32:09 - 3:32:09)
fair.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:09 - 3:32:10)
that is something we all share,

[Speaker 8] (3:32:10 - 3:32:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:11 - 3:32:19)
so let's write that letter, get that letter out, give feedback, and yes, it might be missing pieces that you want and maybe it goes too far in some oops something.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:20 - 3:32:21)
Some scenes

[Speaker 9] (3:32:21 - 3:32:21)
Do you think?

[Speaker 1] (3:32:21 - 3:32:22)
than uh

[Speaker 9] (3:32:22 - 3:32:22)
Do you

[Speaker 1] (3:32:22 - 3:32:23)
some

[Speaker 9] (3:32:23 - 3:32:23)
think?

[Speaker 1] (3:32:23 - 3:32:29)
sentences than what I want, but at least it has the philosophy of what we would we

[Speaker 1] (3:32:29 - 3:32:31)
trying to get the power back on.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:31 - 3:32:32)
Oh my god.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:32 - 3:32:33)
Do you guys know that line from

[Speaker 5] (3:32:33 - 3:32:35)
They they turn the power off early uh

[Speaker 7] (3:32:35 - 3:32:35)
I don't know,

[Speaker 5] (3:32:35 - 3:32:35)
four

[Speaker 7] (3:32:35 - 3:32:35)
it's just

[Speaker 5] (3:32:35 - 3:32:36)
hours

[Speaker 7] (3:32:36 - 3:32:37)
from one Okay. room?

[Speaker 9] (3:32:37 - 3:32:37)
Maybe it's not.

[Speaker 8] (3:32:37 - 3:32:38)
We can still

[Speaker 1] (3:32:38 - 3:32:38)
We

[Speaker 8] (3:32:38 - 3:32:38)
talk.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:38 - 3:32:38)
can still talk

[Speaker 10] (3:32:38 - 3:32:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:39 - 3:32:40)
in the dark. Oh, there it is.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:40 - 3:32:40)
Yay.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:40 - 3:32:40)
Okay, cool.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:40 - 3:32:41)
How the solutions

[Speaker 1] (3:32:41 - 3:32:41)
So let's

[Speaker 5] (3:32:41 - 3:32:42)
switch

[Speaker 1] (3:32:42 - 3:32:43)
find here. the, let's find the common ground.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:43 - 3:32:51)
Let's get that letter drafted. Let's present that to the board so we all feel good about signing it and then we'll handle the bits and pieces as they come.

[Speaker 5] (3:32:51 - 3:32:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:51 - 3:32:52)
Okay, let's

[Speaker 7] (3:32:52 - 3:32:52)
But

[Speaker 1] (3:32:52 - 3:32:52)
do

[Speaker 7] (3:32:52 - 3:32:52)
you

[Speaker 1] (3:32:52 - 3:32:52)
that.

[Speaker 7] (3:32:52 - 3:32:53)
good with that?

[Speaker 5] (3:32:53 - 3:32:53)
I think so.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:53 - 3:32:56)
All right, I'm, we got a path forward, Nick and I.

[Speaker 1] (3:32:57 - 3:32:58)
I think we got something

[Speaker 7] (3:32:58 - 3:32:58)
Do

[Speaker 1] (3:32:58 - 3:32:58)
to you start

[Speaker 7] (3:32:58 - 3:33:01)
have with. anything you want to say? Do you have any opinion here that you want

[Speaker 11] (3:33:01 - 3:33:02)
No,

[Speaker 7] (3:33:02 - 3:33:02)
to

[Speaker 11] (3:33:02 - 3:33:02)
I wanted to

[Speaker 7] (3:33:02 - 3:33:02)
express?

[Speaker 11] (3:33:02 - 3:33:07)
synthesize what you all sent to me, and that was not possible without you all talking a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:07 - 3:33:08)
There you go.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:09 - 3:33:10)
All right.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:10 - 3:33:11)
We have some differing opinions,

[Speaker 1] (3:33:11 - 3:33:11)
Good

[Speaker 5] (3:33:11 - 3:33:12)
and that's

[Speaker 1] (3:33:12 - 3:33:12)
thing

[Speaker 5] (3:33:12 - 3:33:12)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:12 - 3:33:13)
it was on the agenda.

[Speaker 5] (3:33:13 - 3:33:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:14 - 3:33:14)
All right,

[Speaker 7] (3:33:14 - 3:33:14)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:33:14 - 3:33:14)
moving on.

[Speaker 8] (3:33:14 - 3:33:15)
just want to, yes, please, sorry.

[Speaker 7] (3:33:15 - 3:33:21)
I just, I have to get something to them as soon as possible.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:22 - 3:33:24)
Okay, I'll we can get it out tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:24 - 3:33:28)
I'll get out something for you all to think about tomorrow and you all yeah

[Speaker 7] (3:33:28 - 3:33:29)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 11] (3:33:29 - 3:33:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:29 - 3:33:33)
and then everybody can get comments back by Sunday.

[Speaker 1] (3:33:35 - 3:33:39)
You'll have the weekend and then maybe we'll have something around Monday unless somebody explosive

[Speaker 8] (3:33:39 - 3:33:42)
So are we going to talk about it again publicly or no we're just going to

[Speaker 1] (3:33:42 - 3:33:46)
Yeah we can put it back on the agenda and talk about publicly, but this was specifically about just trying to get the letter out.

[Speaker 8] (3:33:46 - 3:33:58)
right but the the letter is we're speaking for the town of Swampscott so for us to just do it behind the scenes on our own is defeating the purpose of what

[Speaker 7] (3:33:58 - 3:34:13)
It would accomplish right we're speaking for the people that live here I I I am not I don't forget that right and there's a lot of people that live here that that should weigh in I don't want to speak for this town not knowing what people think about this I mean I've had people tell me that

[Speaker 1] (3:34:13 - 3:34:14)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (3:34:14 - 3:34:17)
they're all for it and why why aren't we all for it

[Speaker 1] (3:34:17 - 3:34:23)
So but I guess the version of the letter, maybe wait till you look at it, but how I envision the version of.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:24 - 3:34:36)
of this future letter going is not a demand but and it's not even saying we don't appreciate the project we understand the benefits of the project it is simply saying could we figure out how we align all these projects together to make the least impact

[Speaker 1] (3:34:38 - 3:34:40)
To get the benefit with the least impact.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:40 - 3:34:43)
If that's what it ends up saying, then I'm okay with

[Speaker 1] (3:34:43 - 3:34:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:43 - 3:34:47)
that. But if it's going to go into the three-page demands that it did,

[Speaker 8] (3:34:47 - 3:34:47)
I'm not.

[Speaker 1] (3:34:47 - 3:34:48)
I'm not okay with that either.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:48 - 3:34:49)
I don't

[Speaker 1] (3:34:49 - 3:34:49)
So I'm

[Speaker 8] (3:34:49 - 3:34:50)
want to just sit and

[Speaker 1] (3:34:50 - 3:34:50)
not dropping that.

[Speaker 8] (3:34:50 - 3:34:56)
publicly discuss that because I'd like to get more feedback from the people that live here that we're supposed to represent.

[Speaker 11] (3:34:57 - 3:34:58)
If I'm hearing correctly,

[Speaker 11] (3:34:59 - 3:35:01)
it will recognize that there is a difference of opinion.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:02 - 3:35:04)
So, th and that includes both

[Speaker 8] (3:35:04 - 3:35:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:04 - 3:35:12)
people that have very significant questions about the design process and the information behind it and that some people also support the idea that uh, you know,

[Speaker 8] (3:35:12 - 3:35:12)
It was

[Speaker 11] (3:35:12 - 3:35:12)
fewer

[Speaker 8] (3:35:12 - 3:35:13)
easy to follow.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:13 - 3:35:14)
lanes are okay

[Speaker 8] (3:35:14 - 3:35:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:15 - 3:35:24)
regardless of whether they see that there it will respect that the in a draft that I will put together, it will respect that there is a difference of opinion not only in the town, but among the board.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:24 - 3:35:28)
It may not say it that explicitly, but it will not also say we are against

[Speaker 8] (3:35:28 - 3:35:28)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:28 - 3:35:31)
it or we think this is the best thing that's ever been presented.

[Speaker 8] (3:35:31 - 3:35:32)
Okay, great.

[Speaker 7] (3:35:33 - 3:35:36)
It was, are anybody are you against it, Wayne?

[Speaker 5] (3:35:37 - 3:35:37)
No.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:37 - 3:35:37)
Guess what?

[Speaker 7] (3:35:37 - 3:35:41)
So it's against the project? The project.

[Speaker 7] (3:35:41 - 3:35:41)
The

[Speaker 8] (3:35:41 - 3:35:42)
I guess the

[Speaker 11] (3:35:42 - 3:35:42)
I

[Speaker 8] (3:35:42 - 3:35:42)
project

[Speaker 11] (3:35:42 - 3:35:42)
w I was

[Speaker 8] (3:35:42 - 3:35:42)
at

[Speaker 11] (3:35:42 - 3:35:43)
saying that in response to Danielle's

[Speaker 7] (3:35:43 - 3:35:43)
Alright,

[Speaker 11] (3:35:43 - 3:35:44)
comment,

[Speaker 7] (3:35:44 - 3:35:44)
I'm

[Speaker 11] (3:35:44 - 3:35:44)
that there

[Speaker 7] (3:35:44 - 3:35:44)
not

[Speaker 11] (3:35:44 - 3:35:45)
needs to be recognition

[Speaker 7] (3:35:45 - 3:35:45)
Alright.

[Speaker 11] (3:35:45 - 3:35:46)
of

[Speaker 7] (3:35:47 - 3:35:51)
I'm not against so from my point of view I'm not against the project, I'm just wanna know

[Speaker 7] (3:35:53 - 3:35:59)
How I want this project to be done really well where there's not a burden on people in Swampscott.

[Speaker 7] (3:36:01 - 3:36:11)
Where the features and the benefits align and it just isn't something that's going to backfire and really be a total mess.

[Speaker 8] (3:36:11 - 3:36:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:36:12 - 3:36:13)
Is that how you feel too?

[Speaker 8] (3:36:14 - 3:36:15)
I don't think that is.

[Speaker 5] (3:36:15 - 3:36:20)
I have a hesitancy in looking at the design and the way it is and I just personally,

[Speaker 5] (3:36:20 - 3:36:22)
you know, I'm not speaking on behalf of the swamp scout,

[Speaker 5] (3:36:22 - 3:36:23)
I'm speaking on behalf of myself.

[Speaker 8] (3:36:23 - 3:36:24)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (3:36:24 - 3:36:26)
I just can't, I just don't support it.

[Speaker 8] (3:36:26 - 3:36:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:36:26 - 3:36:30)
For reasons I think it will cause more problems than what we gain back from it.

[Speaker 1] (3:36:30 - 3:36:38)
But could you come out of that self-reflection and come to a community reflect like do you feel like you have a pulse that is greater than self so

[Speaker 5] (3:36:38 - 3:36:38)
Don't

[Speaker 1] (3:36:38 - 3:36:39)
you can understand

[Speaker 5] (3:36:39 - 3:36:40)
feel like I have a lot of.

[Speaker 5] (3:36:40 - 3:36:49)
a lot of feedback from from the town so Danielle to be honest to be concur with you if we didn't were on such a time crunch I would really like to get some more feedback

[Speaker 8] (3:36:49 - 3:36:50)
Well that's

[Speaker 5] (3:36:50 - 3:36:50)
from

[Speaker 8] (3:36:50 - 3:36:56)
the other piece is I don't understand why we're on a time crunch because this was just brought to me or us a couple weeks ago.

[Speaker 8] (3:36:57 - 3:37:07)
Right? I wasn't part of any conversations with any other people in any other towns about this. This is the first time that we're actually having this discussion. So I don't understand the time crunch.

[Speaker 7] (3:37:07 - 3:37:09)
Well, it's the second time we're having discussion.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:09 - 3:37:09)
It was on

[Speaker 7] (3:37:09 - 3:37:09)
We brought

[Speaker 1] (3:37:09 - 3:37:10)
the last agenda.

[Speaker 7] (3:37:10 - 3:37:11)
it, it was on the last agenda, we

[Speaker 8] (3:37:11 - 3:37:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:37:11 - 3:37:11)
and

[Speaker 7] (3:37:11 - 3:37:12)
discussed

[Speaker 1] (3:37:12 - 3:37:12)
empowering somebody

[Speaker 7] (3:37:12 - 3:37:13)
it. There

[Speaker 1] (3:37:13 - 3:37:13)
to

[Speaker 7] (3:37:13 - 3:37:13)
was a have presentation

[Speaker 1] (3:37:13 - 3:37:13)
a conversation.

[Speaker 7] (3:37:13 - 3:37:22)
here from the company. You know, there's multiple people in town that have commented that they they're very worried about the project, etc.

[Speaker 7] (3:37:22 - 3:37:23)
Other communities saying they're

[Speaker 7] (3:37:23 - 3:37:34)
this ain't a word about the project. So the question is, is this design a good design to get what is what this project should be accomplishing?

[Speaker 1] (3:37:35 - 3:37:35)
See, I just...

[Speaker 8] (3:37:35 - 3:37:39)
Right, and how are we qualified to decide on this design?

[Speaker 7] (3:37:39 - 3:37:42)
Well, I don't think it's whether or not we're qualified to design.

[Speaker 7] (3:37:42 - 3:37:51)
The question is whether or not we're truly communicating what our needs are and what is where I would personally want to be asking,

[Speaker 7] (3:37:51 - 3:37:53)
and I ask the people that were here,

[Speaker 7] (3:37:53 - 3:38:02)
is where is the other information about this and how is this going to affect people coming out of Swampscot? What will this do for Swampscot?

[Speaker 7] (3:38:01 - 3:38:10)
Scott and they couldn't they couldn't give an answer they couldn't write down anything they didn't even have a pen and paper to write down any of my concerns.

[Speaker 8] (3:38:10 - 3:38:10)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (3:38:10 - 3:38:10)
Zero.

[Speaker 7] (3:38:12 - 3:38:12)
You know uh

[Speaker 8] (3:38:12 - 3:38:13)
Alright,

[Speaker 7] (3:38:13 - 3:38:13)
well

[Speaker 8] (3:38:13 - 3:38:13)
so that

[Speaker 5] (3:38:13 - 3:38:13)
I

[Speaker 8] (3:38:13 - 3:38:13)
that doesn't

[Speaker 5] (3:38:13 - 3:38:13)
was at the

[Speaker 8] (3:38:13 - 3:38:13)
give

[Speaker 5] (3:38:13 - 3:38:14)
same,

[Speaker 8] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
me a

[Speaker 5] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
I

[Speaker 8] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
lot

[Speaker 5] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
got the same.

[Speaker 2] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
me a

[Speaker 3] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
lot

[Speaker 3] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
got of the

[Speaker 2] (3:38:14 - 3:38:14)
confidence.

[Speaker 3] (3:38:14 - 3:38:15)
same.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:15 - 3:38:35)
You, yeah, you came right up th you know the what for on the bike lane alone, when I looked at the bike area, I actually said, how is this bike area safe? Because I know only for, but I know four people that ride their bikes down the laneway to go down to Wonderland. How is this really safe? Is this the safest route? Because it didn't it didn't look super safe.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:35 - 3:38:37)
Well, we've we've studied it.

[Speaker 4] (3:38:37 - 3:38:39)
What does that mean? What does it look like?

[Speaker 1] (3:38:39 - 3:38:39)
Exactly,

[Speaker 4] (3:38:39 - 3:38:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:40 - 3:38:46)
exactly. So the question is, you know, for for us here in this pocket,

[Speaker 1] (3:38:46 - 3:38:52)
Nahant, Swampscott, Marblehead, you know, how do we get how do we get heard and make sure that

[Speaker 1] (3:38:53 - 3:38:56)
You know, there is good representation here, not somebody

[Speaker 5] (3:38:56 - 3:38:56)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (3:38:56 - 3:38:58)
just coming in and saying, here's the project,

[Speaker 1] (3:38:58 - 3:39:04)
here you go, okay, we're really knowledgeable and we know what we're doing and you know, that's it. I mean,

[Speaker 4] (3:39:04 - 3:39:04)
Yeah, I get

[Speaker 1] (3:39:05 - 3:39:07)
Are we being heard? Are we being heard?

[Speaker 6] (3:39:07 - 3:39:20)
But if I read this, it says they have 1,800 people that participated in their events and that their online survey and that they've, you know, had community outreach for the past couple years.

[Speaker 6] (3:39:21 - 3:39:23)
So have they given people the opportunity?

[Speaker 6] (3:39:24 - 3:39:24)
Right?

[Speaker 1] (3:39:24 - 3:39:24)
Have

[Speaker 6] (3:39:24 - 3:39:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:25 - 3:39:26)
they been listening to the people?

[Speaker 1] (3:39:26 - 3:39:27)
In my opinion,

[Speaker 6] (3:39:27 - 3:39:27)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:39:27 - 3:39:28)
I can

[Speaker 6] (3:39:28 - 3:39:28)
would tell hope

[Speaker 1] (3:39:28 - 3:39:28)
you, all I

[Speaker 6] (3:39:28 - 3:39:28)
of those

[Speaker 1] (3:39:28 - 3:39:29)
can only tell

[Speaker 6] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
professional

[Speaker 1] (3:39:29 - 3:39:29)
you, this

[Speaker 6] (3:39:29 - 3:39:31)
organizations have someone.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:31 - 3:39:34)
professional organization that was here in this professional spot right here,

[Speaker 1] (3:39:34 - 3:39:38)
I do not believe that they listened to anybody that was in this room that night.

[Speaker 6] (3:39:39 - 3:39:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:39 - 3:39:39)
And

[Speaker 7] (3:39:39 - 3:39:40)
I

[Speaker 1] (3:39:40 - 3:39:40)
I

[Speaker 7] (3:39:40 - 3:39:40)
would concur

[Speaker 1] (3:39:40 - 3:39:40)
was here,

[Speaker 7] (3:39:40 - 3:39:40)
with

[Speaker 1] (3:39:40 - 3:39:44)
and he came an hour after me, and I was shocked.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:44 - 3:39:46)
I was really shocked because...

[Speaker 1] (3:39:47 - 3:39:53)
I've been to a lot of these things and they really take time and they listen to what you're saying and they talk about what the issues are.

[Speaker 1] (3:39:53 - 3:39:56)
I walked out. I thought they're not listening. I'm not going to waste my time here.

[Speaker 8] (3:39:56 - 3:39:59)
And I felt, I mean, I asked a lot of questions to them.

[Speaker 8] (3:39:59 - 3:40:01)
I really peppered them trying to really understand.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:02 - 3:40:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:02 - 3:40:03)
I know, right?

[Speaker 8] (3:40:03 - 3:40:04)
Of course not.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:04 - 3:40:06)
But I really tried to understand better,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:06 - 3:40:10)
you know, how this was going to help and how this wasn't just conflating, not conflating.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:11 - 3:40:16)
confusing or making this so over complicated.

[Speaker 8] (3:40:16 - 3:40:17)
Okay,

[Speaker 8] (3:40:17 - 3:40:21)
that it was going to create more confusion and issues than what the problem is trying to solve.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:21 - 3:40:30)
Yeah, but I just think for me, I want to, so Mary Ellen had said, I want to find a solution that does not burden the folks in Swampscott.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:30 - 3:40:32)
I have a little bit different of a thought,

[Speaker 4] (3:40:32 - 3:40:40)
which is it is okay to burden Swampscott so long as the outcome and benefit is greater than the temporary burden.

[Speaker 4] (3:40:41 - 3:41:04)
So like I am not just like well we can't do the project because it's such a burden I'm like let's mitigate as best we can the burden to the best of our ability to say to our community we we had a voice we mitigated things to the best of our ability and nothing's ever perfect but this was the problem they were trying to solve and this is how they tried to solve it I agree that there is not enough data right now for us to understand if

[Speaker 4] (3:41:04 - 3:41:06)
We understand what the problem is or maybe,

[Speaker 4] (3:41:07 - 3:41:08)
but maybe we do,

[Speaker 4] (3:41:09 - 3:41:12)
but we don't have enough data to determine if this is how we solve the problem.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:12 - 3:41:16)
Instead of coming up with alternate solutions right now, let's just gather the data.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:16 - 3:41:17)
Let's just get to the table.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:18 - 3:41:26)
Let's say we want to better understand the data before we say this isn't going to work or this isn't going to work or this isn't going to work because then we're just doing what they're doing, right?

[Speaker 4] (3:41:26 - 3:41:29)
And we're accusing them of showing up without the data and telling us what the answer is.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:29 - 3:41:31)
let's not do the same thing.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:31 - 3:41:32)
That's all I'm trying to say.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:33 - 3:41:35)
So I think it's fair to say we,

[Speaker 1] (3:41:35 - 3:41:42)
you know, we would just like to have clarity on the data. We have concerns about the timing.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:43 - 3:41:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:46 - 3:41:46)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:41:46 - 3:41:47)
What else can we add

[Speaker 6] (3:41:47 - 3:41:47)
Have

[Speaker 1] (3:41:47 - 3:41:47)
on that?

[Speaker 6] (3:41:47 - 3:41:48)
you had an

[Speaker 9] (3:41:48 - 3:41:48)
Sq

[Speaker 6] (3:41:48 - 3:41:48)
opportunity

[Speaker 9] (3:41:48 - 3:41:48)
when you to say

[Speaker 6] (3:41:48 - 3:41:49)
talk to

[Speaker 9] (3:41:49 - 3:41:49)
can

[Speaker 6] (3:41:49 - 3:41:49)
the mayor

[Speaker 9] (3:41:49 - 3:41:49)
I ask

[Speaker 6] (3:41:49 - 3:41:49)
about

[Speaker 9] (3:41:49 - 3:41:49)
one

[Speaker 6] (3:41:49 - 3:41:49)
this

[Speaker 9] (3:41:49 - 3:41:50)
question?

[Speaker 6] (3:41:50 - 3:41:50)
at all?

[Speaker 4] (3:41:50 - 3:41:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:41:51 - 3:41:56)
You when you say timing it's we're not talking about timing you're the sequencing of all these projects that

[Speaker 1] (3:41:56 - 3:41:57)
The sequencing

[Speaker 9] (3:41:57 - 3:41:57)
intermingle

[Speaker 1] (3:41:57 - 3:41:57)
and the timing.

[Speaker 9] (3:41:57 - 3:41:58)
right?

[Speaker 1] (3:41:58 - 3:41:58)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (3:41:58 - 3:41:58)
Okay,

[Speaker 1] (3:41:58 - 3:41:58)
yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:58 - 3:41:58)
But

[Speaker 9] (3:41:58 - 3:41:59)
but

[Speaker 1] (3:41:59 - 3:41:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:41:59 - 3:41:59)
also

[Speaker 9] (3:41:59 - 3:41:59)
then but

[Speaker 4] (3:41:59 - 3:41:59)
the timing

[Speaker 9] (3:41:59 - 3:42:00)
there's also

[Speaker 4] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
of traffic.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
this timing

[Speaker 4] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
There's

[Speaker 9] (3:42:00 - 3:42:00)
of lights.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:00 - 3:42:01)
also the timing

[Speaker 8] (3:42:01 - 3:42:01)
I

[Speaker 4] (3:42:01 - 3:42:01)
of

[Speaker 8] (3:42:01 - 3:42:01)
mean the

[Speaker 4] (3:42:01 - 3:42:01)
traffic

[Speaker 8] (3:42:01 - 3:42:02)
traffic,

[Speaker 4] (3:42:02 - 3:42:02)
lights.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:02 - 3:42:02)
there's

[Speaker 4] (3:42:02 - 3:42:02)
Yes,

[Speaker 8] (3:42:02 - 3:42:02)
a traffic

[Speaker 4] (3:42:02 - 3:42:03)
there's

[Speaker 8] (3:42:03 - 3:42:03)
timing,

[Speaker 4] (3:42:03 - 3:42:03)
that also.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:03 - 3:42:04)
but also the timing,

[Speaker 4] (3:42:04 - 3:42:05)
Both of those

[Speaker 8] (3:42:05 - 3:42:05)
sequencing

[Speaker 4] (3:42:05 - 3:42:05)
factors.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:05 - 3:42:06)
of projects.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:06 - 3:42:06)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:06 - 3:42:08)
It's the sequencing of OK. projects that

[Speaker 8] (3:42:08 - 3:42:08)
And

[Speaker 1] (3:42:08 - 3:42:08)
I'm

[Speaker 8] (3:42:08 - 3:42:08)
both.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:08 - 3:42:09)
referring to.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:09 - 3:42:10)
Both. Clearly both.

[Speaker 9] (3:42:10 - 3:42:11)
It's yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:11 - 3:42:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (3:42:12 - 3:42:12)
Well,

[Speaker 1] (3:42:12 - 3:42:17)
my understanding is the timing of the lights is a super benefit that that's going to be taken care of.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:18 - 3:42:28)
I've seen the data that shows that that study has been done well enough to understand its continual effect down the roadway because I think that's one of the issues is that it's like just a small section

[Speaker 9] (3:42:28 - 3:42:29)
Outside

[Speaker 4] (3:42:29 - 3:42:29)
yes

[Speaker 9] (3:42:29 - 3:42:30)
of the project area.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:30 - 3:42:34)
right and how is it affecting like a larger radius outside of

[Speaker 8] (3:42:34 - 3:42:34)
Just

[Speaker 4] (3:42:34 - 3:42:34)
the project area.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:34 - 3:42:38)
from the Nahan Circle down to the bridge is a...

[Speaker 8] (3:42:39 - 3:42:41)
We all know how bad that is,

[Speaker 8] (3:42:41 - 3:42:45)
just those, I don't know, eight lights something right there, those can be timed?

[Speaker 4] (3:42:45 - 3:42:50)
From the monuments in the hot circle is a problem because of the timing of lights on the linway.

[Speaker 8] (3:42:50 - 3:42:51)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (3:42:51 - 3:43:01)
So like this directly affects us, but instead of saying what a solution is, let's get more data about how they came to their solution and just prove if they are wrong, they're wrong.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:01 - 3:43:02)
We show them.

[Speaker 6] (3:43:03 - 3:43:03)
So we're just

[Speaker 4] (3:43:03 - 3:43:03)
It's gonna not approve

[Speaker 6] (3:43:03 - 3:43:04)
gonna prove

[Speaker 4] (3:43:04 - 3:43:04)
that.

[Speaker 6] (3:43:04 - 3:43:05)
them that they are potentially wrong.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:05 - 3:43:09)
No, we're just gonna say like, show us the data and if and we'll see what the data supports.

[Speaker 6] (3:43:09 - 3:43:12)
And what if they say no, we're not gonna show you the data?

[Speaker 4] (3:43:12 - 3:43:12)
Then we

[Speaker 6] (3:43:12 - 3:43:14)
We have no leg to stand on really.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:14 - 3:43:15)
We tried.

[Speaker 6] (3:43:16 - 3:43:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:17 - 3:43:18)
Should not try, right?

[Speaker 6] (3:43:18 - 3:43:22)
Have we reached out to Lynn? Have we talked to Mayor Nicholson about this at all?

[Speaker 9] (3:43:22 - 3:43:22)
Not about

[Speaker 6] (3:43:22 - 3:43:23)
Got his feelings,

[Speaker 9] (3:43:23 - 3:43:24)
no.

[Speaker 6] (3:43:24 - 3:43:24)
thoughts, no.

[Speaker 9] (3:43:25 - 3:43:27)
Yeah, on the the contact I had with them

[Speaker 9] (3:43:27 - 3:43:27)
and,

[Speaker 6] (3:43:27 - 3:43:27)
Is she

[Speaker 9] (3:43:27 - 3:43:28)
and

[Speaker 6] (3:43:28 - 3:43:28)
dating Hunter or anybody?

[Speaker 9] (3:43:28 - 3:43:34)
yeah, I've talked to Alison, talked to Thatcher, we all got a briefing about it before that. Um

[Speaker 9] (3:43:35 - 3:43:41)
the meeting that was in the spring, wha March, April, whenever you guys did those you had the one here and there was one online one

[Speaker 4] (3:43:41 - 3:43:41)
Three.

[Speaker 9] (3:43:41 - 3:43:42)
in the two in

[Speaker 1] (3:43:42 - 3:43:42)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (3:43:42 - 3:43:42)
like

[Speaker 1] (3:43:42 - 3:43:44)
one on the line, one in the heart.

[Speaker 9] (3:43:44 - 3:43:45)
and Marblehead and I

[Speaker 1] (3:43:45 - 3:43:45)
Iron

[Speaker 9] (3:43:45 - 3:43:47)
think Marblehead. and I think there were two in then.

[Speaker 4] (3:43:47 - 3:43:47)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (3:43:48 - 3:43:53)
So at that point that was the interaction we had about it, I have not asked for his thoughts or opinions.

[Speaker 6] (3:43:53 - 3:43:54)
Hasn't reached out at all.

[Speaker 9] (3:43:54 - 3:43:55)
No.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:00 - 3:44:02)
All right, so what's the bottom run here? You're gonna

[Speaker 4] (3:44:02 - 3:44:05)
We have circulate a draft, get your comments back, and then we'll

[Speaker 8] (3:44:05 - 3:44:06)
For lunch.

[Speaker 8] (3:44:07 - 3:44:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:08 - 3:44:09)
open there.

[Speaker 4] (3:44:10 - 3:44:13)
All right, discussion of Charter Commission.

[Speaker 1] (3:44:13 - 3:44:14)
Oh man.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:14 - 3:44:24)
So in fairness to the the time of night the idea here was I have heard individually and collectively and from residents that

[Speaker 4] (3:44:24 - 3:44:24)
All

[Speaker 9] (3:44:24 - 3:44:24)
there

[Speaker 4] (3:44:24 - 3:44:24)
that are said.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:24 - 3:44:26)
are a number of

[Speaker 9] (3:44:26 - 3:44:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:27 - 3:44:28)
Questions, concerns,

[Speaker 9] (3:44:28 - 3:44:28)
issues,

[Speaker 9] (3:44:28 - 3:44:32)
things that they would like to be addressed looking at the charter and it's also sort of a.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:33 - 3:44:41)
Best practice, you know, every decade or so to at least take a look at it and see if there are opportunities to improve it beyond a very targeted one-off type change.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:42 - 3:44:47)
I wanted to just introduce that idea. I was not expecting it to be near the four-hour mark of the meeting.

[Speaker 9] (3:44:47 - 3:44:48)
So I

[Speaker 1] (3:44:48 - 3:44:49)
Want to talk about it next time?

[Speaker 9] (3:44:49 - 3:45:00)
think the one thing that I would say to you tonight that we would like to do and we are planning to do is to just turn on on the Boards and Commissions page a place that someone can express an interest.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:00 - 3:45:01)
an interest in participating.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:01 - 3:45:01)
Yes,

[Speaker 9] (3:45:01 - 3:45:01)
And

[Speaker 4] (3:45:01 - 3:45:02)
we do.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:02 - 3:45:10)
so we will have a discussion around process timing, what that could all look like at a future meeting, just because we are nearing four hours.

[Speaker 1] (3:45:10 - 3:45:17)
Do we have the update on the on the the notes that each committee had sent in for recommended changes to the c the charter?

[Speaker 4] (3:45:18 - 3:45:18)
Can we ask

[Speaker 9] (3:45:18 - 3:45:19)
Prior

[Speaker 4] (3:45:19 - 3:45:19)
again?

[Speaker 9] (3:45:19 - 3:45:22)
to prior to last fall you mean?

[Speaker 1] (3:45:22 - 3:45:22)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:22 - 3:45:23)
Yeah, we will

[Speaker 9] (3:45:24 - 3:45:29)
Run down whatever we have and that can be part of the presentation that we give that we'll talk about processing the timing.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:29 - 3:45:29)
Mm

[Speaker 6] (3:45:29 - 3:45:29)
I'm

[Speaker 4] (3:45:29 - 3:45:29)
-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (3:45:29 - 3:45:29)
going to check

[Speaker 9] (3:45:29 - 3:45:29)
Does that

[Speaker 6] (3:45:29 - 3:45:30)
out

[Speaker 9] (3:45:30 - 3:45:30)
work

[Speaker 6] (3:45:30 - 3:45:30)
your email.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:30 - 3:45:32)
for you? Okay, does that work for you?

[Speaker 6] (3:45:32 - 3:45:32)
Yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:32 - 3:45:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (3:45:33 - 3:45:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (3:45:33 - 3:45:37)
Can I ask a question like how do you foresee a review committee?

[Speaker 8] (3:45:38 - 3:45:45)
Once you have it assigned and people actively working on it,

[Speaker 8] (3:45:45 - 3:45:46)
what is the process typically?

[Speaker 8] (3:45:46 - 3:45:47)
Do

[Speaker 9] (3:45:47 - 3:45:47)
That

[Speaker 8] (3:45:47 - 3:45:47)
we...

[Speaker 9] (3:45:47 - 3:45:49)
was what I was planning to talk about the next meeting.

[Speaker 8] (3:45:49 - 3:45:50)
Okay,

[Speaker 9] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
Process

[Speaker 8] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
just

[Speaker 9] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
and

[Speaker 8] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
from

[Speaker 9] (3:45:50 - 3:45:50)
timing.

[Speaker 8] (3:45:50 - 3:45:51)
a high level.

[Speaker 9] (3:45:51 - 3:45:51)
It's...

[Speaker 8] (3:45:51 - 3:45:52)
Just from a high level,

[Speaker 8] (3:45:52 - 3:45:54)
they provide recommendations to

[Speaker 4] (3:45:54 - 3:45:54)
Yes,

[Speaker 8] (3:45:54 - 3:45:54)
us,

[Speaker 4] (3:45:54 - 3:45:54)
they review

[Speaker 8] (3:45:54 - 3:45:55)
we have to

[Speaker 4] (3:45:55 - 3:45:55)
the

[Speaker 8] (3:45:55 - 3:45:55)
go to

[Speaker 4] (3:45:55 - 3:45:55)
charter,

[Speaker 8] (3:45:55 - 3:45:55)
the town meeting.

[Speaker 4] (3:45:55 - 3:46:02)
they provide their own recommendations like of things that they're specifically thinking about. I think we also can provide

[Speaker 9] (3:46:02 - 3:46:02)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:02 - 3:46:04)
lists from the...

[Speaker 4] (3:46:04 - 3:46:20)
we asked the committees like David was chair at the time so to provide some feedback on the charter if they had suggestions so they could review those suggestions also this board has talked about multiple suggestions which hopefully somebody's been writing down somewhere and so that would go before them and then at the end they would come forth with a

[Speaker 4] (3:46:21 - 3:46:21)
Recommendation.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:21 - 3:46:22)
Revision.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:22 - 3:46:22)
Revision.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:22 - 3:46:23)
A revision.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:24 - 3:46:25)
That would go to us,

[Speaker 10] (3:46:25 - 3:46:26)
then to town meeting,

[Speaker 4] (3:46:26 - 3:46:26)
Yes.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:26 - 3:46:29)
then to the legislature for signing by the governor at some point

[Speaker 8] (3:46:29 - 3:46:30)
Right.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:30 - 3:46:30)
in the future.

[Speaker 8] (3:46:30 - 3:46:32)
That was what I was looking for, which was the opposite.

[Speaker 10] (3:46:32 - 3:46:33)
Sorry.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:33 - 3:46:33)
And we

[Speaker 9] (3:46:33 - 3:46:36)
I thought you were asking a more granular level.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:36 - 3:46:46)
skipped this part, but Charter View was on our minutes for select board goals for this year. So this is an important goal that we've all determined is.

[Speaker 4] (3:46:46 - 3:46:49)
necessary and vital to us

[Speaker 9] (3:46:49 - 3:46:49)
So

[Speaker 4] (3:46:49 - 3:46:50)
moving forward.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:50 - 3:46:51)
we will turn that on.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:51 - 3:46:54)
We will have a list of people that volunteer. You can obviously all tell

[Speaker 4] (3:46:54 - 3:46:55)
Tell your friends.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:55 - 3:46:57)
your friends and invite others.

[Speaker 9] (3:46:57 - 3:47:00)
And then to further answer Wayne's question,

[Speaker 9] (3:47:00 - 3:47:06)
we can present at a future meeting what we anticipate the timing looks like and how we plan to move forward with it.

[Speaker 9] (3:47:10 - 3:47:11)
That's the update.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:11 - 3:47:13)
Discussion and possible vote on trash service update.

[Speaker 6] (3:47:13 - 3:47:14)
Oh my God.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:14 - 3:47:15)
And I thought what no.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:15 - 3:47:17)
At what point do we stop talking

[Speaker 6] (3:47:17 - 3:47:17)
Now.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:17 - 3:47:17)
about trash?

[Speaker 6] (3:47:17 - 3:47:20)
Yeah. What what what is it we have to talk about now?

[Speaker 9] (3:47:20 - 3:47:29)
So the the the question very simply here is I think there's a real benefit to moving to every other week recycling sooner. And I wanted to put that before you.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:29 - 3:47:30)
Oh.

[Speaker 6] (3:47:30 - 3:47:31)
Hard no.

[Speaker 10] (3:47:31 - 3:47:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (3:47:32 - 3:47:33)
Thank you for

[Speaker 8] (3:47:33 - 3:47:33)
I

[Speaker 10] (3:47:33 - 3:47:33)
that feedback.

[Speaker 8] (3:47:33 - 3:47:34)
I I got it agree with Danielle.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:34 - 3:47:35)
Hard no.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:35 - 3:47:37)
Why is that? I just would like to know why.

[Speaker 10] (3:47:37 - 3:47:39)
That's the point of putting it on here.

[Speaker 8] (3:47:39 - 3:47:40)
Yeah. I mean, I

[Speaker 1] (3:47:40 - 3:47:40)
No,

[Speaker 8] (3:47:40 - 3:47:40)
thought

[Speaker 1] (3:47:40 - 3:47:43)
I can't wait. I I don't even think we should to be honest with you. We've been here now

[Speaker 1] (3:47:44 - 3:47:48)
Quite if this is something we should talk about I think we should talk about at the next meeting.

[Speaker 9] (3:47:48 - 3:47:48)
Yep,

[Speaker 4] (3:47:48 - 3:47:48)
What?

[Speaker 9] (3:47:48 - 3:47:48)
fine with that.

[Speaker 1] (3:47:49 - 3:47:49)
What? Only

[Speaker 6] (3:47:49 - 3:47:49)
Sure.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:49 - 3:47:50)
Oh

[Speaker 9] (3:47:50 - 3:47:50)
It would

[Speaker 4] (3:47:50 - 3:47:51)
It's only

[Speaker 9] (3:47:51 - 3:47:51)
it just necessarily

[Speaker 4] (3:47:51 - 3:47:51)
it's only

[Speaker 9] (3:47:51 - 3:47:51)
pushes

[Speaker 4] (3:47:51 - 3:47:52)
919

[Speaker 9] (3:47:52 - 3:47:52)
it out.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:52 - 3:47:55)
we've been into ten o'clock sometimes like

[Speaker 1] (3:47:55 - 3:47:57)
Alright I I'm all if you want to stay we could stay.

[Speaker 4] (3:47:57 - 3:47:58)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (3:47:58 - 3:48:05)
I just want to know like I didn't put out my recycling today because only had a tiny bit in there and um

[Speaker 6] (3:48:06 - 3:48:06)
Oh,

[Speaker 10] (3:48:06 - 3:48:07)
I'll use, if you have excess,

[Speaker 6] (3:48:07 - 3:48:07)
Matthew.

[Speaker 10] (3:48:07 - 3:48:08)
I'll I'll come by your house,

[Speaker 6] (3:48:08 - 3:48:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (3:48:08 - 3:48:08)
I have glass

[Speaker 1] (3:48:08 - 3:48:09)
but yeah

[Speaker 10] (3:48:09 - 3:48:09)
for

[Speaker 1] (3:48:09 - 3:48:09)
yeah

[Speaker 10] (3:48:09 - 3:48:09)
you.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:09 - 3:48:09)
I'll put

[Speaker 2] (3:48:09 - 3:48:09)
yeah,

[Speaker 3] (3:48:09 - 3:48:09)
extra.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:09 - 3:48:09)
yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:09 - 3:48:10)
I'll put it in your bag.

[Speaker 1] (3:48:10 - 3:48:10)
Yeah, you can.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:10 - 3:48:10)
We're sharing.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:10 - 3:48:11)
We have a

[Speaker 3] (3:48:11 - 3:48:11)
That's

[Speaker 4] (3:48:11 - 3:48:11)
bear. An extra

[Speaker 3] (3:48:11 - 3:48:12)
cool.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:12 - 3:48:12)
bear is free,

[Speaker 2] (3:48:12 - 3:48:12)
An

[Speaker 4] (3:48:12 - 3:48:12)
isn't

[Speaker 2] (3:48:12 - 3:48:12)
apple?

[Speaker 4] (3:48:12 - 3:48:13)
that? Or

[Speaker 2] (3:48:13 - 3:48:13)
No,

[Speaker 4] (3:48:13 - 3:48:13)
I'm

[Speaker 2] (3:48:13 - 3:48:13)
it's

[Speaker 3] (3:48:13 - 3:48:14)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
not.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
sorry.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
no,

[Speaker 4] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
That was

[Speaker 2] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
Oh,

[Speaker 4] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
not.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
you

[Speaker 2] (3:48:14 - 3:48:14)
sorry,

[Speaker 3] (3:48:14 - 3:48:15)
wrote it

[Speaker 2] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15)
sorry.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15)
on your

[Speaker 2] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15)
Dollar.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15)
it

[Speaker 4] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15)
Oh,

[Speaker 3] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15)
was

[Speaker 2] (3:48:15 - 3:48:15)
Nothing's

[Speaker 4] (3:48:15 - 3:48:16)
fifty

[Speaker 2] (3:48:16 - 3:48:16)
free.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:16 - 3:48:17)
fifty dollars.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:18 - 3:48:18)
Sixty dollars.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:19 - 3:48:20)
Right?

[Speaker 4] (3:48:20 - 3:48:20)
I've I wanted

[Speaker 3] (3:48:20 - 3:48:21)
It was

[Speaker 4] (3:48:21 - 3:48:21)
a

[Speaker 3] (3:48:21 - 3:48:21)
fifty.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:21 - 3:48:21)
banana.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:21 - 3:48:21)
It was fifty.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:21 - 3:48:22)
Fifty.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:22 - 3:48:22)
Six.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:23 - 3:48:24)
If it was fifty yes

[Speaker 1] (3:48:24 - 3:48:25)
Fifty.

[Speaker 2] (3:48:25 - 3:48:25)
Fifty.

[Speaker 4] (3:48:25 - 3:48:26)
Oh, 50 and.

[Speaker 5] (3:48:26 - 3:48:28)
Okay, and so I I

[Speaker 2] (3:48:28 - 3:48:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:48:28 - 3:48:33)
originally this was on the agenda last week. I the the idea is that there are Save

[Speaker 6] (3:48:33 - 3:48:33)
Not saving.

[Speaker 5] (3:48:34 - 3:48:40)
well every month that we do it, we're saving I don't even know if now you asked me that right now. And oh,

[Speaker 2] (3:48:40 - 3:48:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (3:48:40 - 3:48:42)
give me a second to do the math in my head.

[Speaker 7] (3:48:42 - 3:48:43)
for seventy thousand dollars over a year.

[Speaker 6] (3:48:43 - 3:48:44)
170

[Speaker 5] (3:48:44 - 3:48:44)
twelve.

[Speaker 6] (3:48:44 - 3:48:45)
,000 divided by 12.

[Speaker 5] (3:48:45 - 3:48:45)
Twelve.

[Speaker 7] (3:48:46 - 3:48:47)
Twelve.

[Speaker 5] (3:48:47 - 3:48:47)
14

[Speaker 3] (3:48:47 - 3:48:47)
Twelve, okay,

[Speaker 5] (3:48:47 - 3:48:48)
and

[Speaker 3] (3:48:48 - 3:48:48)
I'm

[Speaker 5] (3:48:48 - 3:48:48)
something in there.

[Speaker 3] (3:48:50 - 3:48:53)
So you'd be October November December we're talking really three 14 months at this

[Speaker 8] (3:48:53 - 3:48:54)
,000

[Speaker 3] (3:48:54 - 3:48:54)
point.

[Speaker 8] (3:48:54 - 3:48:55)
I

[Speaker 9] (3:48:55 - 3:48:55)
So what?

[Speaker 2] (3:48:55 - 3:48:57)
don't even like it happening in January,

[Speaker 8] (3:48:57 - 3:48:57)
November December

[Speaker 2] (3:48:57 - 3:48:58)
I'll be perfectly honest.

[Speaker 8] (3:48:58 - 3:48:59)
yeah I'm sorry.

[Speaker 8] (3:48:59 - 3:49:01)
It was a $42,500 savings.

[Speaker 9] (3:49:02 - 3:49:03)
Do we want to share some feedback?

[Speaker 9] (3:49:03 - 3:49:04)
I mean, if

[Speaker 2] (3:49:04 - 3:49:04)
Yeah,

[Speaker 9] (3:49:04 - 3:49:04)
that's...

[Speaker 2] (3:49:04 - 3:49:06)
I'm filling the bin on a weekly basis.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:07 - 3:49:07)
I shockingly

[Speaker 2] (3:49:07 - 3:49:08)
That's my feedback.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:08 - 3:49:12)
am as well and I thought you were crazy when you said you were gonna do it and now now I'm doing it so

[Speaker 2] (3:49:12 - 3:49:12)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:49:12 - 3:49:14)
You're just breaking down your Amazon boxes.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:14 - 3:49:14)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (3:49:15 - 3:49:15)
Unfortunately

[Speaker 2] (3:49:15 - 3:49:16)
A family of...

[Speaker 2] (3:49:16 - 3:49:17)
Four or five?

[Speaker 3] (3:49:17 - 3:49:17)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:49:17 - 3:49:18)
Yeah, I mean...

[Speaker 3] (3:49:18 - 3:49:20)
sure. I'm flattered you think they're my Amazon boxes.

[Speaker 8] (3:49:20 - 3:49:22)
They're not. I know they're Nicole's Are you breaking them down?

[Speaker 3] (3:49:22 - 3:49:23)
I am. I am.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:24 - 3:49:37)
I am filling the bin on a weekly basis, but my bigger concern is the people in this town do not exactly have the storage space to leave a bin hanging around for two weeks of that size no less. Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (3:49:37 - 3:49:38)
I...

[Speaker 9] (3:49:38 - 3:49:40)
You know, like requiring a second bin.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:40 - 3:49:40)
No.

[Speaker 9] (3:49:40 - 3:49:41)
In order

[Speaker 2] (3:49:41 - 3:49:41)
Like when

[Speaker 9] (3:49:41 - 3:49:41)
to have

[Speaker 2] (3:49:41 - 3:49:41)
do you

[Speaker 9] (3:49:41 - 3:49:41)
two

[Speaker 2] (3:49:41 - 3:49:42)
store,

[Speaker 9] (3:49:42 - 3:49:42)
weeks.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:42 - 3:49:43)
like, all of that

[Speaker 3] (3:49:43 - 3:49:43)
That's

[Speaker 2] (3:49:43 - 3:49:43)
stuff

[Speaker 3] (3:49:43 - 3:49:43)
it.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:43 - 3:49:45)
for two weeks?

[Speaker 8] (3:49:45 - 3:49:45)
In your bin.

[Speaker 2] (3:49:46 - 3:49:51)
But you're gonna have more, because you're gonna it's gonna be two weeks. My bin is full after one week.

[Speaker 9] (3:49:51 - 3:49:52)
Well, that's what I was trying to ask

[Speaker 2] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52)
Where am

[Speaker 9] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52)
the question

[Speaker 2] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52)
I putting

[Speaker 9] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52)
is,

[Speaker 2] (3:49:52 - 3:49:52)
all

[Speaker 9] (3:49:52 - 3:49:53)
would you

[Speaker 2] (3:49:53 - 3:49:53)
of the

[Speaker 9] (3:49:53 - 3:49:57)
require a second bin? Would you be in a position you would require a second bin?

[Speaker 2] (3:49:57 - 3:49:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:49:57 - 3:49:58)
It sounds like yes. And

[Speaker 2] (3:49:58 - 3:49:58)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 9] (3:49:58 - 3:49:59)
to

[Speaker 2] (3:49:59 - 3:49:59)
By

[Speaker 9] (3:49:59 - 3:49:59)
your point

[Speaker 2] (3:49:59 - 3:50:00)
the if not collected weekly, yes.

[Speaker 9] (3:50:01 - 3:50:01)
right.

[Speaker 9] (3:50:01 - 3:50:02)
That's what I was getting at.

[Speaker 9] (3:50:02 - 3:50:02)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:03 - 3:50:07)
Not everyone who would need a second bin has the ability to store.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:07 - 3:50:07)
The first bin,

[Speaker 2] (3:50:07 - 3:50:08)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (3:50:08 - 3:50:08)
never mind,

[Speaker 2] (3:50:08 - 3:50:08)
because

[Speaker 3] (3:50:08 - 3:50:08)
the second

[Speaker 2] (3:50:08 - 3:50:08)
where

[Speaker 3] (3:50:08 - 3:50:08)
bin.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:08 - 3:50:13)
are you going to put it, right? Is it Do does everyone have a garage? I do not have a garage.

[Speaker 9] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
I

[Speaker 8] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
don't

[Speaker 8] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
don't

[Speaker 2] (3:50:14 - 3:50:14)
think everybody

[Speaker 8] (3:50:14 - 3:50:15)
have a driveway.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:15 - 3:50:16)
in town I have a

[Speaker 8] (3:50:16 - 3:50:16)
don't have a driveway. I go up

[Speaker 2] (3:50:16 - 3:50:16)
lot

[Speaker 8] (3:50:16 - 3:50:17)
three flights

[Speaker 2] (3:50:17 - 3:50:17)
of people

[Speaker 8] (3:50:17 - 3:50:17)
of stairs

[Speaker 2] (3:50:17 - 3:50:17)
don't

[Speaker 8] (3:50:17 - 3:50:21)
to get to my house. So I have to store it on the landing of my stairs.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:22 - 3:50:30)
It's it's the first thing everybody sees when they welcome into my house is my trash barrel and my now oversized recycling bin.

[Speaker 2] (3:50:31 - 3:50:32)
With a smiley face on

[Speaker 8] (3:50:32 - 3:50:32)
Because

[Speaker 2] (3:50:32 - 3:50:32)
it.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:32 - 3:50:33)
I have nowhere else to put it.

[Speaker 3] (3:50:33 - 3:50:37)
So it's really fourteen thousand dollars a month to to go to every other week.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:38 - 3:50:39)
A savings of?

[Speaker 3] (3:50:39 - 3:50:40)
A savings of fourteen thousand dollars per month, okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:50:41 - 3:50:43)
So to move it to October 1st is forty thousand

[Speaker 8] (3:50:43 - 3:50:43)
Forty

[Speaker 5] (3:50:43 - 3:50:43)
dollars.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:43 - 3:50:44)
two thousand five hundred dollars.

[Speaker 5] (3:50:46 - 3:50:49)
Thank you for doing the math for me after asking the question. I appreciate that.

[Speaker 8] (3:50:49 - 3:50:50)
We're a great team.

[Speaker 9] (3:50:51 - 3:50:55)
So one of my reasons for waiting until January 1,

[Speaker 9] (3:50:55 - 3:51:11)
and you know, if you remember I was a little hesitant one way or another to do this, was really to try to get resident feedback, you know we've had in the last month just this kind of adjustment period. We will be offering, you know, on Saturday the cardboard pickup. I'm

[Speaker 2] (3:51:11 - 3:51:11)
This

[Speaker 9] (3:51:11 - 3:51:11)
very

[Speaker 2] (3:51:11 - 3:51:12)
Saturday?

[Speaker 9] (3:51:13 - 3:51:14)
The twenty yeah,

[Speaker 5] (3:51:14 - 3:51:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:51:14 - 3:51:16)
yeah, the battery. So I'm very eager to f

[Speaker 8] (3:51:16 - 3:51:18)
So it's metal, styrofoam, cardboard

[Speaker 2] (3:51:19 - 3:51:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 9] (3:51:19 - 3:51:19)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:51:19 - 3:51:20)
And recycling

[Speaker 8] (3:51:20 - 3:51:20)
And

[Speaker 5] (3:51:20 - 3:51:20)
and

[Speaker 8] (3:51:20 - 3:51:20)
recycling.

[Speaker 5] (3:51:20 - 3:51:21)
rigid plastic.

[Speaker 9] (3:51:21 - 3:51:23)
And the pen and the barrels. So what

[Speaker 2] (3:51:23 - 3:51:23)
Uh.

[Speaker 9] (3:51:23 - 3:51:24)
I'm eager to

[Speaker 2] (3:51:24 - 3:51:24)
Oh,

[Speaker 9] (3:51:24 - 3:51:25)
see is

[Speaker 2] (3:51:25 - 3:51:25)
not recycling.

[Speaker 9] (3:51:25 - 3:51:33)
is what the participation level is from the town for the for the cardboard. I I really it's it's unpredictable. Um we may have

[Speaker 8] (3:51:33 - 3:51:34)
It

[Speaker 9] (3:51:34 - 3:51:34)
a ton

[Speaker 8] (3:51:34 - 3:51:34)
will be

[Speaker 9] (3:51:34 - 3:51:34)
of it

[Speaker 8] (3:51:34 - 3:51:34)
very

[Speaker 9] (3:51:34 - 3:51:34)
or

[Speaker 8] (3:51:34 - 3:51:35)
low unless

[Speaker 9] (3:51:35 - 3:51:35)
we have it

[Speaker 8] (3:51:35 - 3:51:35)
you

[Speaker 9] (3:51:35 - 3:51:35)
very low.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:35 - 3:51:36)
need it.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
Right

[Speaker 2] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
I

[Speaker 8] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
because

[Speaker 2] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
think it's

[Speaker 8] (3:51:37 - 3:51:37)
I

[Speaker 2] (3:51:37 - 3:51:39)
also going to be I don't think I think

[Speaker 5] (3:51:39 - 3:51:39)
I don't people think people know

[Speaker 2] (3:51:39 - 3:51:39)
don't

[Speaker 5] (3:51:39 - 3:51:40)
right.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:40 - 3:51:41)
even know you They don't. know people don't

[Speaker 10] (3:51:41 - 3:51:42)
It's my

[Speaker 2] (3:51:42 - 3:51:42)
know

[Speaker 10] (3:51:42 - 3:51:42)
idea

[Speaker 2] (3:51:42 - 3:51:42)
about

[Speaker 10] (3:51:42 - 3:51:42)
That's where to start

[Speaker 8] (3:51:42 - 3:51:53)
for a but road. we'll call to go out to explain what's happening that cardboard has been added to the list I use the styrofoam recycling every time I go there's a there's like a line of two or three cars to get there

[Speaker 9] (3:51:53 - 3:51:53)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (3:51:54 - 3:51:55)
so

[Speaker 2] (3:51:55 - 3:51:57)
But I'm gonna be really honest.

[Speaker 2] (3:51:57 - 3:52:01)
The likelihood of people loading up a week's worth of cardboard

[Speaker 2] (3:52:01 - 3:52:07)
board in their car to drive down on a Saturday and wait in line at the DPW just to drop it.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:08 - 3:52:11)
I think it's going to be a low likely percentage. That's

[Speaker 8] (3:52:11 - 3:52:11)
Well, we just

[Speaker 2] (3:52:11 - 3:52:12)
me personally.

[Speaker 8] (3:52:12 - 3:52:16)
spend 60 bucks a year and get a new second recycling barrel is what I think what will happen.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:16 - 3:52:17)
Perhaps.

[Speaker 8] (3:52:17 - 3:52:17)
If they if

[Speaker 2] (3:52:17 - 3:52:21)
Or they'll just throw it out in the trash. That's what I think will happen. I don't know.

[Speaker 8] (3:52:21 - 3:52:22)
it's not gonna fit in your tra if it does not

[Speaker 5] (3:52:22 - 3:52:22)
You have

[Speaker 8] (3:52:22 - 3:52:23)
fit in your

[Speaker 5] (3:52:23 - 3:52:24)
to you have to make a choice.

[Speaker 8] (3:52:24 - 3:52:24)
it's not fitting

[Speaker 5] (3:52:24 - 3:52:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (3:52:24 - 3:52:27)
in your recycling barrel it's certainly not fitting in your trash barrel.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:27 - 3:52:32)
Unless you're just using one barrel. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But

[Speaker 8] (3:52:33 - 3:52:33)
Excuse me.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:33 - 3:52:34)
I mean I yeah.

[Speaker 9] (3:52:34 - 3:52:41)
I'd like to put this decision off for at least another month and then start to start to get some feedback I I mean

[Speaker 8] (3:52:41 - 3:52:49)
feel like we're just kicking the can to be honest and if we could save $42,000 and put it towards increase in cost to a full-time assessor or something like we should think about doing

[Speaker 2] (3:52:49 - 3:52:49)
We can't

[Speaker 8] (3:52:49 - 3:52:49)
that.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:49 - 3:52:52)
get a full-time assessor no matter how much we throw at it.

[Speaker 3] (3:52:52 - 3:52:52)
Yeah, well.

[Speaker 2] (3:52:52 - 3:52:54)
Honestly I mean

[Speaker 8] (3:52:54 - 3:52:58)
I just think like it's not the best and highest use of $42,000.

[Speaker 8] (3:52:58 - 3:53:00)
And that's my opinion.

[Speaker 2] (3:53:00 - 3:53:06)
You feel waiting you feel waiting between October 1 and January 1 is not the best use

[Speaker 8] (3:53:06 - 3:53:07)
Yeah, correct.

[Speaker 8] (3:53:07 - 3:53:08)
It's happening.

[Speaker 8] (3:53:08 - 3:53:08)
It's going to happen.

[Speaker 2] (3:53:08 - 3:53:09)
You feel like

[Speaker 8] (3:53:09 - 3:53:09)
We're

[Speaker 2] (3:53:09 - 3:53:09)
it's

[Speaker 8] (3:53:09 - 3:53:09)
not

[Speaker 2] (3:53:09 - 3:53:09)
going to

[Speaker 8] (3:53:09 - 3:53:09)
not

[Speaker 2] (3:53:09 - 3:53:09)
happen anyway

[Speaker 8] (3:53:09 - 3:53:15)
going to do it because it's too much of a savings or else we're going to have an issue with the cost of the trash contract.

[Speaker 8] (3:53:15 - 3:53:17)
So it's going to happen.

[Speaker 8] (3:53:17 - 3:53:19)
So I understand people are uncomfortable.

[Speaker 8] (3:53:20 - 3:53:24)
Change is hard and it's going to cause a lot of groans and moans. But why are we just kicking the can?

[Speaker 2] (3:53:24 - 3:53:25)
Let's just do it.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:27 - 3:53:31)
The other side of this is we did take a vote on this last month or something

[Speaker 5] (3:53:31 - 3:53:31)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:31 - 3:53:33)
to go to January 1,

[Speaker 3] (3:53:33 - 3:53:34)
so if we switch it,

[Speaker 3] (3:53:34 - 3:53:40)
and I understand there's a financial reason and I appreciate knowing the dollar amount because that helps round out the conversation,

[Speaker 3] (3:53:40 - 3:53:44)
but I also get concerned if we now move the goalposts

[Speaker 5] (3:53:44 - 3:53:44)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (3:53:44 - 3:53:46)
after communicating to residents that we're

[Speaker 3] (3:53:46 - 3:54:00)
doubling down on a decision that is already a tough decision to have that we already made a tough decision we're getting flack over it rightfully so we made a tough decision that's what happened but now we're gonna move the goalposts on it it almost it just doesn't sit right

[Speaker 5] (3:54:00 - 3:54:02)
So just if I can just state the obvious,

[Speaker 5] (3:54:02 - 3:54:07)
it looks like there's three votes already that are no for tonight so we can just

[Speaker 5] (3:54:09 - 3:54:10)
Glow.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:10 - 3:54:10)
Maybe not.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:10 - 3:54:11)
I mean...

[Speaker 5] (3:54:11 - 3:54:21)
Or make no motion at all and just continue on. It was the recommendation that I wanted to make and get feedback. I've gotten the feedback whether you vote or not. You have already voted. We already have January 1st.

[Speaker 5] (3:54:22 - 3:54:24)
I wanted to move it up to save money.

[Speaker 3] (3:54:24 - 3:54:25)
And it's helpful

[Speaker 5] (3:54:25 - 3:54:25)
It

[Speaker 3] (3:54:25 - 3:54:26)
for you to

[Speaker 5] (3:54:26 - 3:54:26)
is

[Speaker 3] (3:54:26 - 3:54:26)
bring up.

[Speaker 5] (3:54:26 - 3:54:29)
fair that the answer can be no.

[Speaker 5] (3:54:29 - 3:54:30)
It can be 3 to 2,

[Speaker 5] (3:54:30 - 3:54:30)
5 to nothing,

[Speaker 5] (3:54:31 - 3:54:31)
whatever.

[Speaker 5] (3:54:31 - 3:54:32)
The feedback's been given.

[Speaker 2] (3:54:33 - 3:54:34)
I would

[Speaker 11] (3:54:34 - 3:54:34)
Should we

[Speaker 2] (3:54:34 - 3:54:34)
respectfully

[Speaker 11] (3:54:34 - 3:54:35)
just think about should

[Speaker 2] (3:54:35 - 3:54:35)
ask

[Speaker 11] (3:54:35 - 3:54:37)
we just think about this until the next meeting?

[Speaker 3] (3:54:37 - 3:54:37)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:54:37 - 3:54:37)
So

[Speaker 3] (3:54:37 - 3:54:38)
want to take

[Speaker 9] (3:54:38 - 3:54:38)
I'd like you

[Speaker 3] (3:54:38 - 3:54:38)
the

[Speaker 9] (3:54:38 - 3:54:41)
to want to go through the table discussion in for another 30 days

[Speaker 9] (3:54:42 - 3:54:44)
We talk about this again in 30 days

[Speaker 2] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
I

[Speaker 5] (3:54:45 - 3:54:45)
If would I

[Speaker 2] (3:54:45 - 3:54:46)
prefer

[Speaker 5] (3:54:46 - 3:54:49)
can just, if I can be the one that is not an elected official here and just.

[Speaker 5] (3:54:50 - 3:54:51)
The points we're all making are fair,

[Speaker 5] (3:54:51 - 3:54:53)
that it has been decided,

[Speaker 5] (3:54:53 - 3:54:58)
it has been voted on. I wanted to put it before you one time. If we get to the end of September,

[Speaker 5] (3:54:58 - 3:55:00)
we're not doing it October 1st regardless.

[Speaker 9] (3:55:00 - 3:55:01)
Doing it November?

[Speaker 5] (3:55:01 - 3:55:05)
And then it becomes November. So it's, this was my request or my recommendation.

[Speaker 5] (3:55:06 - 3:55:09)
It has been rebuffed and it is withdrawn.

[Speaker 3] (3:55:10 - 3:55:10)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:55:10 - 3:55:14)
We will stay with January 1st and we will make sure that we communicate.

[Speaker 5] (3:55:15 - 3:55:17)
uh in the run-up to that. And that

[Speaker 3] (3:55:17 - 3:55:17)
What?

[Speaker 5] (3:55:17 - 3:55:18)
that's the number that you guys did vote

[Speaker 5] (3:55:19 - 3:55:23)
in early was it earlier in August or at the end of July, whenever it was,

[Speaker 11] (3:55:23 - 3:55:23)
Why?

[Speaker 5] (3:55:23 - 3:55:24)
so

[Speaker 3] (3:55:24 - 3:55:24)
Hey.

[Speaker 5] (3:55:24 - 3:55:25)
we're good.

[Speaker 8] (3:55:25 - 3:55:25)
Well does anybody

[Speaker 2] (3:55:25 - 3:55:30)
I I would respect ask you to find another way to save money.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:32 - 3:55:33)
Uh that would be my suggestion.

[Speaker 5] (3:55:34 - 3:55:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:34 - 3:55:35)
Be it

[Speaker 2] (3:55:35 - 3:55:44)
Other alternatives, other methods, come up with some other way for us to save money other than putting more burden on residents of the town, if you can.

[Speaker 5] (3:55:44 - 3:55:45)
Sure.

[Speaker 2] (3:55:45 - 3:55:46)
That would be my request.

[Speaker 9] (3:55:48 - 3:55:50)
I think it is helpful to have a conversation though.

[Speaker 9] (3:55:50 - 3:55:51)
I mean, the financial...

[Speaker 3] (3:55:52 - 3:55:54)
Having the hard dollar amount that

[Speaker 2] (3:55:54 - 3:55:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (3:55:54 - 3:56:12)
now we're having a conversation that Katie I think we're coming to two different conclusions on but like we have the data now to have the conversation every month we have this as an additional fourteen thousand two hundred and fifty dollars or whatever the dollar amount is I have a different conclusion from it but we at least have the data now it's a long way of saying thanks for bringing the data helpful conversation

[Speaker 9] (3:56:13 - 3:56:17)
You know, I think I think we've put the residents through some significant changes.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:17 - 3:56:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 9] (3:56:17 - 3:56:30)
I think giving them this extra little bit of time to kind of figure this stuff out for themselves is important. I think whether or not it's how much.

[Speaker 9] (3:56:30 - 3:56:33)
You fill it or how you're, I don't know,

[Speaker 9] (3:56:33 - 3:56:34)
Danielle,

[Speaker 9] (3:56:34 - 3:56:35)
I haven't been through the

[Speaker 2] (3:56:35 - 3:56:35)
You

[Speaker 9] (3:56:35 - 3:56:36)
house to

[Speaker 2] (3:56:36 - 3:56:36)
gotta

[Speaker 9] (3:56:36 - 3:56:36)
see

[Speaker 2] (3:56:36 - 3:56:37)
go to Danielle's house and help

[Speaker 9] (3:56:37 - 3:56:37)
what's

[Speaker 2] (3:56:37 - 3:56:38)
herself

[Speaker 9] (3:56:38 - 3:56:38)
going on,

[Speaker 2] (3:56:38 - 3:56:38)
out.

[Speaker 11] (3:56:38 - 3:56:38)
Do you want to

[Speaker 9] (3:56:38 - 3:56:38)
go but

[Speaker 11] (3:56:38 - 3:56:38)
down on a Friday?

[Speaker 9] (3:56:38 - 3:56:39)
I'm.

[Speaker 8] (3:56:39 - 3:56:48)
All right, let's move on to the consent agenda then and we will move on from this topic.

[Speaker 2] (3:56:49 - 3:56:52)
Can you take out the minutes for the consent agenda?

[Speaker 8] (3:56:52 - 3:56:53)
All of them?

[Speaker 2] (3:56:53 - 3:56:53)
All of them.

[Speaker 8] (3:56:55 - 3:56:57)
I also need to table the appointment of

[Speaker 2] (3:56:57 - 3:56:57)
A Why not?

[Speaker 8] (3:56:57 - 3:56:58)
calendar

[Speaker 2] (3:56:58 - 3:57:08)
We always have to take out the minutes. You always do this. I just want I honestly I feel like every consent agenda we have to take out minutes. I just I don't get it.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:13 - 3:57:15)
I feel like we edit ourselves too much.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:16 - 3:57:22)
We you know is it not that we're not accurately reflecting what we're saying in these minutes?

[Speaker 2] (3:57:23 - 3:57:29)
I hate to think that. I don't think that. I've never wanted an edit of any minute I've ever said, personally.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:30 - 3:57:32)
I mean, what are we looking to do?

[Speaker 11] (3:57:35 - 3:57:41)
Well, in in some of these minutes it has Wayne Spritz saying things that Marilyn Fletcher said.

[Speaker 11] (3:57:42 - 3:57:44)
My name is

[Speaker 11] (3:57:45 - 3:57:51)
I'm Mary Ellen. When other people have last names there are different things that need to be adjusted.

[Speaker 2] (3:57:51 - 3:58:04)
So we're saying there are errors. We're saying there are errors in every single week of a minute. Uh because we we we asked to remove it every week, every single time we meet. And I want I I'd love to get to the root of the problem. 'Cause I

[Speaker 1] (3:58:04 - 3:58:09)
Because if that is really what's happening, then maybe we need another method of transcription.

[Speaker 1] (3:58:11 - 3:58:17)
I've taken minutes for years, so that's that literally is why I don't understand.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:18 - 3:58:21)
So can we approve the rest of lines two to four?

[Speaker 3] (3:58:21 - 3:58:35)
We cannot because I also need to table line four because we need the housing authority needed to drop something off for this to be effectuated and they did not, we don't have it. So we

[Speaker 1] (3:58:35 - 3:58:35)
So we can't

[Speaker 3] (3:58:35 - 3:58:36)
have to table,

[Speaker 1] (3:58:36 - 3:58:36)
sign that.

[Speaker 3] (3:58:36 - 3:58:40)
we cannot appoint her until the housing authority drops off the letter that.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:41 - 3:58:42)
The points

[Speaker 3] (3:58:42 - 3:58:43)
are. appoints her from

[Speaker 2] (3:58:43 - 3:58:43)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:58:43 - 3:58:45)
their side and they have they haven't done that so

[Speaker 4] (3:58:45 - 3:58:51)
And I would also ask for clarification whether or not it's a five-year term. It says three-year term. I believe

[Speaker 3] (3:58:51 - 3:58:51)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (3:58:51 - 3:58:51)
it's supposed

[Speaker 3] (3:58:51 - 3:58:51)
I've

[Speaker 4] (3:58:51 - 3:58:51)
to be a five

[Speaker 3] (3:58:51 - 3:58:51)
already

[Speaker 4] (3:58:51 - 3:58:52)
-year term.

[Speaker 3] (3:58:52 - 3:58:57)
talked to Shannon about that So yes, Shannon's gonna talk to Katie in the morning and make sure that that is correct.

[Speaker 2] (3:58:57 - 3:59:01)
So can I make a motion to approve lines two and three?

[Speaker 3] (3:59:02 - 3:59:03)
I get a second all

[Speaker 4] (3:59:03 - 3:59:04)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:05 - 3:59:06)
in favor

[Speaker 1] (3:59:08 - 3:59:08)
I

[Speaker 3] (3:59:08 - 3:59:08)
I?

[Speaker 4] (3:59:08 - 3:59:08)
I.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:08 - 3:59:11)
No, I want to approve the whole consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:11 - 3:59:12)
That is why I'm a no.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:14 - 3:59:15)
Please note that.

[Speaker 5] (3:59:16 - 3:59:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:17 - 3:59:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (3:59:17 - 3:59:18)
In the minutes?

[Speaker 1] (3:59:18 - 3:59:18)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (3:59:18 - 3:59:18)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:20 - 3:59:21)
I will look for it, make sure it's noted.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:22 - 3:59:27)
All right, I will select for reports and comments.

[Speaker 5] (3:59:29 - 3:59:31)
Nope. Not for me.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:31 - 3:59:31)
Nope. Pass right on it.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:32 - 3:59:33)
Let's put a time limit.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:33 - 3:59:33)
I would,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:33 - 3:59:34)
You've got something.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:34 - 3:59:34)
no,

[Speaker 1] (3:59:34 - 3:59:35)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:35 - 3:59:36)
it's really just administrative.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:37 - 3:59:37)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:37 - 3:59:44)
Seeing as though we have so much that we're, really has come before us and the time that has been taking can,

[Speaker 4] (3:59:44 - 3:59:49)
I don't mind breaking these longer meetings into smaller meetings if we were to do them as needed,

[Speaker 4] (3:59:49 - 3:59:51)
maybe weekly, as opposed to every other week.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:51 - 3:59:51)
I do.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:51 - 3:59:52)
I really,

[Speaker 3] (3:59:52 - 3:59:53)
really, really mind that.

[Speaker 4] (3:59:53 - 3:59:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (3:59:54 - 3:59:55)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:56 - 3:59:58)
This is already a very large commitment in

[Speaker 4] (3:59:58 - 3:59:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:59:59 - 4:00:01)
a very people's very busy schedule.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:01 - 4:00:17)
I did not sign up to meet weekly. I have met weekly when necessary when it's necessary for the public good and things that need to get done and as things come up I'm always happy to hop on but I cannot meet three hours a week every week. I cannot do that.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:18 - 4:00:18)
Well,

[Speaker 4] (4:00:18 - 4:00:19)
I was hoping that it

[Speaker 6] (4:00:20 - 4:00:20)
Hmm.

[Speaker 4] (4:00:20 - 4:00:20)
Not

[Speaker 3] (4:00:20 - 4:00:20)
I every don't

[Speaker 4] (4:00:20 - 4:00:24)
week. I'm just saying over then maybe the next month, just to catch, I feel like we need to catch

[Speaker 3] (4:00:24 - 4:00:24)
I

[Speaker 4] (4:00:24 - 4:00:25)
up. There's don't some things that

[Speaker 3] (4:00:25 - 4:00:29)
think that the meetings will be shorter if they happen more frequently.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:29 - 4:00:31)
I truly don't. That's

[Speaker 6] (4:00:31 - 4:00:31)
So the

[Speaker 3] (4:00:31 - 4:00:31)
my biggest

[Speaker 6] (4:00:31 - 4:00:31)
goal

[Speaker 3] (4:00:31 - 4:00:31)
fear.

[Speaker 6] (4:00:31 - 4:00:34)
of tonight was to catch up so that we didn't have this all stacked up

[Speaker 1] (4:00:34 - 4:00:35)
And

[Speaker 6] (4:00:35 - 4:00:35)
going

[Speaker 1] (4:00:35 - 4:00:35)
this wasn't

[Speaker 6] (4:00:35 - 4:00:35)
forward.

[Speaker 1] (4:00:35 - 4:00:36)
your normal meeting.

[Speaker 6] (4:00:36 - 4:00:36)
I,

[Speaker 6] (4:00:36 - 4:00:39)
one option for you all to consider,

[Speaker 6] (4:00:39 - 4:00:40)
we don't have to do it for the next agenda,

[Speaker 6] (4:00:40 - 4:00:46)
is some communities will actually put an anticipated time of discussion and an anticipated action.

[Speaker 6] (4:00:46 - 4:00:47)
On the agenda.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:47 - 4:00:48)
Some

[Speaker 4] (4:00:48 - 4:00:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:48 - 4:00:50)
of this is on us like if it's already been said we

[Speaker 1] (4:00:50 - 4:00:50)
All of

[Speaker 3] (4:00:50 - 4:00:50)
don't

[Speaker 1] (4:00:50 - 4:00:50)
it's

[Speaker 3] (4:00:50 - 4:00:50)
have

[Speaker 1] (4:00:50 - 4:00:51)
on to us.

[Speaker 3] (4:00:51 - 4:00:51)
say it again right

[Speaker 7] (4:00:51 - 4:00:52)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (4:00:52 - 4:00:52)
like

[Speaker 7] (4:00:52 - 4:00:52)
to

[Speaker 3] (4:00:52 - 4:00:52)
we

[Speaker 7] (4:00:52 - 4:00:52)
Nick's

[Speaker 3] (4:00:52 - 4:00:52)
just

[Speaker 7] (4:00:52 - 4:00:53)
point,

[Speaker 3] (4:00:53 - 4:00:53)
we

[Speaker 7] (4:00:53 - 4:00:56)
we've done that for certain planning board hearings,

[Speaker 7] (4:00:56 - 4:01:01)
which are going to have a lot of conversation and it helps keep the conversation focused.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:01 - 4:01:03)
can I'm happy to add time frames

[Speaker 3] (4:01:07 - 4:01:14)
But like I also don't think like I don't always feel like I need to be the one to say the point that I want to make if it's been said.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:14 - 4:01:15)
Okay, I agree.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:15 - 4:01:16)
Move on.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:16 - 4:01:20)
Like I know sometimes we get long winded about things we're passionate about,

[Speaker 3] (4:01:20 - 4:01:22)
but some of it, a lot of this is us.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:23 - 4:01:23)
Also,

[Speaker 4] (4:01:23 - 4:01:23)
Thank

[Speaker 3] (4:01:23 - 4:01:26)
I don't need a presenter to read slides.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:26 - 4:01:28)
That's the other thing that we should just like

[Speaker 2] (4:01:28 - 4:01:28)
kidding.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:28 - 4:01:32)
just say out in general aloud to all presenters out there.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:33 - 4:01:34)
We have a packet,

[Speaker 3] (4:01:34 - 4:01:37)
it comes to us and yes, we're informing the public at the same time we're informing ourselves.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:37 - 4:01:43)
So it's important that the information gets disseminated, but if the slides are going to exist like

[Speaker 2] (4:01:45 - 4:01:48)
What about the issue with public comment? Like tonight,

[Speaker 2] (4:01:48 - 4:01:50)
over the last, I would say,

[Speaker 3] (4:01:50 - 4:01:50)
Public

[Speaker 2] (4:01:50 - 4:01:51)
four,

[Speaker 3] (4:01:51 - 4:01:51)
issue tonight?

[Speaker 2] (4:01:51 - 4:01:51)
no,

[Speaker 3] (4:01:51 - 4:01:52)
Don't say no.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:52 - 4:01:54)
no, the issue with public comment tonight,

[Speaker 2] (4:01:54 - 4:01:56)
we didn't have public comment,

[Speaker 2] (4:01:56 - 4:01:56)
so we

[Speaker 3] (4:01:56 - 4:01:56)
We

[Speaker 2] (4:01:56 - 4:01:56)
have just,

[Speaker 3] (4:01:56 - 4:01:59)
have public comment. Nobody made public comment.

[Speaker 2] (4:01:59 - 4:01:59)
All

[Speaker 3] (4:01:59 - 4:01:59)
But

[Speaker 2] (4:01:59 - 4:01:59)
right, okay.

[Speaker 3] (4:01:59 - 4:02:00)
we can do.

[Speaker 4] (4:02:00 - 4:02:01)
We understand what she's saying.

[Speaker 3] (4:02:01 - 4:02:01)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (4:02:01 - 4:02:01)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (4:02:01 - 4:02:02)
I know, I wanna be right.

[Speaker 4] (4:02:02 - 4:02:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (4:02:03 - 4:02:04)
We had it.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:04 - 4:02:06)
It's for the minutes. Come on, we gotta be right.

[Speaker 3] (4:02:06 - 4:02:08)
Reflect in the minutes public comment was had

[Speaker 4] (4:02:08 - 4:02:08)
All

[Speaker 3] (4:02:08 - 4:02:08)
tonight.

[Speaker 4] (4:02:08 - 4:02:09)
right, we're getting snarky.

[Speaker 7] (4:02:10 - 4:02:10)
Just joking.

[Speaker 1] (4:02:11 - 4:02:11)
Go ahead, Marianne.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:11 - 4:02:13)
So over the several,

[Speaker 2] (4:02:13 - 4:02:22)
several, several meetings we've had public comment that lasts between 30 to 50 minutes, almost to an average.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:22 - 4:02:23)
Tonight.

[Speaker 2] (4:02:24 - 4:02:48)
broke that average because no one spoke during public comment but I spoke to somebody else on a select board and and they said what they did is they had fifteen minutes of public comment and then if they didn't get within that fifteen minutes they added it to the end of the meeting so and I am a big supporter of public comment you know I I don't have a problem with people standing up and saying whatever they want they don't even have to

[Speaker 2] (4:02:49 - 4:03:12)
They just say whatever they want and then we get to sit. But we are in a position where we have so much work to do and we're listening to public comment at the beginning of the meeting when we end up doing a lot of important work three hours after. I just think that maybe we need to find some type of a happy balance there or I don't.

[Speaker 2] (4:03:13 - 4:03:14)
I don't know.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:14 - 4:03:18)
I'd rather hear public comment than hear us talk most of the time, to be quite honest.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:18 - 4:03:20)
I'd rather hear what people think.

[Speaker 2] (4:03:20 - 4:03:22)
I'm not saying not to hear what people think.

[Speaker 2] (4:03:22 - 4:03:24)
I'm just saying in what forum.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:24 - 4:03:27)
I think some of the stuff on our agenda most times cannot be there,

[Speaker 1] (4:03:27 - 4:03:28)
to be honest.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:28 - 4:03:35)
I think we waste a lot of time on stuff that really doesn't necessarily have a point even,

[Speaker 1] (4:03:35 - 4:03:36)
you know.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:36 - 4:03:39)
I'd rather, I'm I don't mind public comment.

[Speaker 2] (4:03:39 - 4:03:42)
Like was there anything here tonight that doesn't I mean I don't know, I think

[Speaker 3] (4:03:42 - 4:03:44)
Um I mean I sort

[Speaker 1] (4:03:44 - 4:03:44)
Well I'm

[Speaker 3] (4:03:44 - 4:03:45)
of

[Speaker 1] (4:03:45 - 4:03:51)
I'm gonna tell you the Wednesday update was not was not something that was a real high priority for me. It's not.

[Speaker 3] (4:03:52 - 4:03:56)
I mean, the agenda is meant to reflect the entirety of the board and not just one individual person.

[Speaker 1] (4:03:56 - 4:03:56)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (4:03:56 - 4:04:01)
So there is always an opportunity that something's on there that you maybe don't think is the priority,

[Speaker 3] (4:04:01 - 4:04:04)
but other members do. If two people want it on there,

[Speaker 3] (4:04:04 - 4:04:05)
it's going to be on there.

[Speaker 3] (4:04:05 - 4:04:07)
If Nick advises that it should be on there,

[Speaker 3] (4:04:07 - 4:04:07)
it goes on there.

[Speaker 3] (4:04:08 - 4:04:10)
So I agree with you, though,

[Speaker 3] (4:04:10 - 4:04:13)
that the public should come first.

[Speaker 3] (4:04:13 - 4:04:18)
We are here to serve them. And so if I mean, I'm happy to limit it to.

[Speaker 3] (4:04:19 - 4:04:25)
An hour I don't think we've been outside an hour in a long time I don't think that's helpful for what you're trying to get at but no I don't think it should be limited

[Speaker 1] (4:04:25 - 4:04:26)
I don't think it should be limited

[Speaker 3] (4:04:26 - 4:04:27)
15 at minutes

[Speaker 1] (4:04:27 - 4:04:27)
all.

[Speaker 3] (4:04:27 - 4:04:27)
and

[Speaker 1] (4:04:27 - 4:04:28)
That's my opinion.

[Speaker 1] (4:04:28 - 4:04:31)
I don't think we should make any changes to the public.

[Speaker 3] (4:04:31 - 4:04:36)
And I'm not saying limited I just mean limited in the beginning and then go back to the end if that's how you want to do it But I don't think that we

[Speaker 2] (4:04:36 - 4:04:36)
All

[Speaker 3] (4:04:36 - 4:04:36)
should

[Speaker 2] (4:04:36 - 4:04:41)
right, so my other recommendation is maybe if we just

[Speaker 2] (4:04:41 - 4:04:47)
review the packet a little bit earlier and get on the phone with Nick and to get some clarity on some of the topics maybe.

[Speaker 2] (4:04:48 - 4:04:54)
I don't know, I'm I'm just trying to figure out ways on how we can even be just a little bit more efficient so that we're not here for

[Speaker 6] (4:04:54 - 4:04:56)
I'm always available to talk to you.

[Speaker 1] (4:04:56 - 4:04:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (4:04:56 - 4:04:59)
And we've

[Speaker 1] (4:04:59 - 4:04:59)
The problem

[Speaker 6] (4:04:59 - 4:04:59)
been

[Speaker 1] (4:04:59 - 4:04:59)
nobody

[Speaker 6] (4:04:59 - 4:04:59)
consi

[Speaker 1] (4:04:59 - 4:05:02)
is pointed to the public meeting is we're supposed to talk about it publicly.

[Speaker 6] (4:05:02 - 4:05:02)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (4:05:02 - 4:05:04)
We're supposed to avoid the back channel. That's the

[Speaker 2] (4:05:04 - 4:05:08)
No, it's not a back channel, it's just whether it's there are questions that are asked that

[Speaker 2] (4:05:09 - 4:05:12)
If we did a little research and read the packets and did some work in advance,

[Speaker 2] (4:05:13 - 4:05:14)
we might not be asking those questions.

[Speaker 1] (4:05:14 - 4:05:14)
Like

[Speaker 4] (4:05:14 - 4:05:20)
I think there's some validity from the public's perspective to be able to ask those questions because,

[Speaker 3] (4:05:20 - 4:05:23)
That's important because like sometimes I'm not asking a question because I actually have the question.

[Speaker 2] (4:05:23 - 4:05:23)
Exactly.

[Speaker 3] (4:05:23 - 4:05:26)
I know the answer and I would like the public to know the answer.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:28 - 4:05:28)
Yeah,

[Speaker 2] (4:05:28 - 4:05:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:28 - 4:05:32)
I think there's validity to being able to do that.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:32 - 4:05:33)
for the public benefit.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:34 - 4:05:35)
But it does You're

[Speaker 6] (4:05:35 - 4:05:35)
That's

[Speaker 4] (4:05:35 - 4:05:35)
right,

[Speaker 6] (4:05:35 - 4:05:35)
what it

[Speaker 4] (4:05:35 - 4:05:35)
we it does

[Speaker 6] (4:05:35 - 4:05:35)
asked

[Speaker 4] (4:05:35 - 4:05:35)
bring

[Speaker 6] (4:05:35 - 4:05:36)
about.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:36 - 4:05:45)
it does there is the also the the the flip side where you're looking at for the first time instead of having reviewed it and that does drag that can drag things on.

[Speaker 4] (4:05:45 - 4:05:45)
So

[Speaker 6] (4:05:46 - 4:05:48)
I think we've been consistent about getting it out.

[Speaker 6] (4:05:48 - 4:05:49)
The week before.

[Speaker 3] (4:05:49 - 4:05:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (4:05:49 - 4:05:50)
Yeah, you're

[Speaker 3] (4:05:50 - 4:05:50)
The problem

[Speaker 1] (4:05:50 - 4:05:50)
not the problem.

[Speaker 6] (4:05:50 - 4:05:50)
this isn't

[Speaker 3] (4:05:50 - 4:06:14)
the problem is a we used to get it out so early that it was irrelevant right like you used to get packets that had so much like so little information just to get it out and then it wasn't helpful to the discussion or you were seeing wrong things because you reviewed the old packet and now it's the new packet and then that whole thing came involved so it was like very like I'd much rather have the right packet the Friday before the meeting so that you

[Speaker 3] (4:06:14 - 4:06:18)
so that you have the whole weekend and a couple days of the week to review the packet

[Speaker 3] (4:06:18 - 4:06:34)
as best we can, then to say like okay well we want it by the Wednesday and then things get that's why you have little rush meetings because things don't make it to that Wednesday deadline, so they get pushed to the next meeting and the timing doesn't work, and then we have one meeting for a liquor license, so that

[Speaker 2] (4:06:34 - 4:06:34)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (4:06:34 - 4:06:35)
rec can do something on,

[Speaker 7] (4:06:35 - 4:06:35)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (4:06:35 - 4:06:35)
you know,

[Speaker 7] (4:06:35 - 4:06:35)
But

[Speaker 3] (4:06:35 - 4:06:36)
their lawn.

[Speaker 7] (4:06:36 - 4:06:40)
let's also remember the agendas that we've had, particularly since Wayne and I have joined the board, have

[Speaker 7] (4:06:39 - 4:06:45)
have been deliberately one-time lengthy sort of things. The trash contract,

[Speaker 7] (4:06:45 - 4:06:45)
okay,

[Speaker 7] (4:06:45 - 4:06:46)
that happens once every few years.

[Speaker 7] (4:06:47 - 4:06:51)
The Hawthorne, we've met about 20 minutes at minimum per meeting for one, two,

[Speaker 7] (4:06:51 - 4:06:51)
three,

[Speaker 7] (4:06:51 - 4:06:52)
four, five, seven meetings,

[Speaker 1] (4:06:52 - 4:06:52)
Intentionally,

[Speaker 3] (4:06:52 - 4:06:53)
It's not those

[Speaker 1] (4:06:53 - 4:06:53)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (4:06:53 - 4:06:56)
are intentionally, but a lot of these things, hope to

[Speaker 3] (4:06:56 - 4:06:56)
not God, forever

[Speaker 7] (4:06:56 - 4:06:56)
are

[Speaker 3] (4:06:56 - 4:06:58)
problems, but agreed.

[Speaker 7] (4:06:58 - 4:07:04)
non-recurring. So hopefully they can structurally move off the agenda to create our efficiencies in our meeting.

[Speaker 7] (4:07:05 - 4:07:07)
Um, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (4:07:08 - 4:07:16)
I mean, I'm also happy to circulate the town administrator's office has provided like a calendar of the times of years that certain things have to occur on the agenda.

[Speaker 3] (4:07:17 - 4:07:24)
Happy to circulate that to everybody and you can give feedback to Shannon and Nick so you can say, I think this is missing from October or this doesn't actually have to happen here.

[Speaker 3] (4:07:25 - 4:07:25)
And this is why.

[Speaker 3] (4:07:25 - 4:07:27)
But like we have a skeleton.

[Speaker 2] (4:07:27 - 4:07:32)
I think the skeleton covers, you know, things that we really have to do.

[Speaker 3] (4:07:32 - 4:07:38)
But, I mean, you're welcome to see what that is so you know what's forthcoming. We'll provide it to everybody so you can see it in

[Speaker 7] (4:07:38 - 4:07:38)
That's

[Speaker 3] (4:07:38 - 4:07:38)
the

[Speaker 7] (4:07:38 - 4:07:40)
like year-end transfers. That's that

[Speaker 3] (4:07:40 - 4:07:40)
Yes,

[Speaker 7] (4:07:40 - 4:07:40)
sort of

[Speaker 1] (4:07:40 - 4:07:40)
it's

[Speaker 7] (4:07:40 - 4:07:40)
stuff,

[Speaker 1] (4:07:40 - 4:07:41)
set on the tax

[Speaker 7] (4:07:41 - 4:07:41)
right?

[Speaker 1] (4:07:41 - 4:07:41)
rate

[Speaker 3] (4:07:41 - 4:07:41)
right,

[Speaker 1] (4:07:41 - 4:07:42)
setting,

[Speaker 3] (4:07:42 - 4:07:42)
right.

[Speaker 1] (4:07:42 - 4:07:42)
you know.

[Speaker 3] (4:07:42 - 4:07:48)
Yes, all those things are mapped out so you can see what's on the horizon and then if you decide a conversation from

[Speaker 3] (4:07:50 - 4:07:55)
insert kin somebody here is not necessary then we can you're a little bit more informed about what is necessary.

[Speaker 7] (4:07:59 - 4:07:59)
Sounds cool.

[Speaker 2] (4:07:59 - 4:07:59)
Sounds good.

[Speaker 1] (4:07:59 - 4:08:02)
Cool. Anybody else for Select Board?

[Speaker 1] (4:08:02 - 4:08:04)
We're good. Moving on to the final motion.

[Speaker 2] (4:08:05 - 4:08:05)
A Motion

[Speaker 3] (4:08:05 - 4:08:05)
Motion to to adjourn. adjourn.

[Speaker 2] (4:08:06 - 4:08:06)
Second.

[Speaker 1] (4:08:07 - 4:08:07)
All in favor?

[Speaker 2] (4:08:07 - 4:08:07)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (4:08:07 - 4:08:08)
Aye.

[Speaker 4] (4:08:08 - 4:08:08)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (4:08:08 - 4:08:08)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (4:08:09 - 4:08:09)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (4:08:09 - 4:08:10)
Thank you.