[Speaker 1] (0:00 - 0:01)
Keep all the mics where they are.

[Speaker 2] (0:01 - 0:01)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (0:02 - 0:03)
Talking about it now? Let me just see

[Speaker 3] (0:03 - 0:03)
Check,

[Speaker 1] (0:03 - 0:03)
what you wrote

[Speaker 3] (0:03 - 0:03)
check,

[Speaker 1] (0:03 - 0:03)
down.

[Speaker 3] (0:03 - 0:12)
check, check, check one two, check one two three. Check, check, check, check, check one two. Check one two three four. Check, check, check, check one two.

[Speaker 1] (0:12 - 0:12)
Oh, that was worth it.

[Speaker 3] (0:12 - 0:13)
Okay, good.

[Speaker 3] (0:21 - 0:25)
Check, check, check, check, check, check, check, check one two, check, check, check one two.

[Speaker 1] (0:29 - 0:33)
Check one two check check check one two check one two check

[Speaker 4] (2:13 - 2:15)
I am a rock star.

[Speaker 3] (2:16 - 2:18)
I spin like a rock culture-y thing or no, okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:19 - 2:21)
oh boy, okay,

[Speaker 5] (2:21 - 2:21)
Oh.

[Speaker 3] (2:21 - 2:22)
let's just just speak

[Speaker 1] (2:22 - 2:23)
too far

[Speaker 3] (2:23 - 2:25)
I need a motion from the board to accept or

[Speaker 4] (2:48 - 2:54)
Welcome to the Tuesday September 8th select board meeting. If we would uh we're being recorded. If we could rise for the pledge.

[Speaker 4] (2:58 - 3:00)
I pledge allegiance to the flag

[Speaker 6] (3:00 - 3:01)
Of the United States of America

[Speaker 4] (3:01 - 3:08)
and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[Speaker 4] (3:12 - 3:12)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (3:13 - 3:15)
We'll begin this evening with the town administrator's report.

[Speaker 3] (3:17 - 3:26)
Good evening. Thank you. Uh I pretty brief tonight since I think that we were together five or six business days ago the last time, so

[Speaker 3] (3:26 - 3:37)
Uh first I wanted to give an update on the MSBA statement of interest that we submitted along with the school committee last year, our last fiscal year in the spring. Uh we had a visit with the MSBA

[Speaker 4] (3:37 - 3:37)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (3:37 - 3:43)
staff last week uh which means we had made the first cut for the statement of interest. Um

[Speaker 7] (3:43 - 3:57)
It was a very informative discussion. We had the sort of sit down session around the table and then walked around middle school answering questions. We have a couple of follow ups that we're putting together for them. But we're excited that we had made this initial cut and we're having the staff level review.

[Speaker 7] (3:57 - 4:03)
They will make recommendations to the MSBA board in early December. So we're looking forward to hearing more about that.

[Speaker 7] (4:04 - 4:31)
Uh second second piece of news I wanted to share, and I think some folks have already seen this, uh E_O_H_L_C_ uh announced last Thursday funding for a number of affordable housing projects across the state and thankfully uh we were able to celebrate along with B_B_H_ that the funding for the project um at Veterans Crossing was approved. That's an important first step uh in moving forward with the state. We're excited for the milestone but there's plenty of work ahead so we'll continue to share updates as they're warranted.

[Speaker 7] (4:31 - 4:54)
Um, third probably the only news news I'm sharing with it with folks is uh in working with the rec department we are going to be building off the success of the World Cup on the town lawn, uh town hall lawn by hi highlighting a limited number of Patriots games this fall. Uh we're able to work out the licensing over the last few weeks. We're working on the scheduling right now. It will not be every game.

[Speaker 7] (4:55 - 5:15)
um probably, you know, two, three or four this year if that just to see if it's an idea that will work, see how cold it is, see how everyone reacts to it, but um it was such a big success with the World Cup games that we wanted to see if this is something we could explore and thank you to Charlotte and Christina for running down the licensing on that. So that's exciting. There'll be more news on that as the details are finalised.

[Speaker 7] (5:16 - 5:31)
Um and finally I just want to share a reminder that the 9-11 rem remembrance ceremony will be held on Friday, uh starting promptly at nine fifty five at the fire headquarters. If anyone's available to attend we would love to have you join us. Um and that programme will run about forty five minutes.

[Speaker 7] (5:32 - 5:34)
And with that, I'm happy to take any questions you all may have.

[Speaker 6] (5:35 - 5:36)
Thank you, Dick.

[Speaker 3] (5:36 - 5:37)
So the

[Speaker 7] (5:39 - 5:40)
Can you hear me?

[Speaker 4] (5:41 - 5:41)
Speak aloud.

[Speaker 7] (5:42 - 5:46)
Okay. Um does the M_S_P_ um M_S_P_A_

[Speaker 7] (5:47 - 5:57)
discussion that you're having, was that I if I remember correctly from earlier this year, that was to be inclusive of both a uh rehab as well as a reconstruct, correct? I just want

[Speaker 3] (5:57 - 5:57)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (5:57 - 5:58)
to make sure that's still

[Speaker 7] (5:58 - 5:59)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (5:59 - 5:59)
part of

[Speaker 7] (5:59 - 6:01)
Yeah, it's renovation or rebuild.

[Speaker 7] (6:02 - 6:06)
That's something that they we would work with any designer if we were to move forward

[Speaker 7] (6:06 - 6:16)
to figure out what the best option is. But we looked at it from sort of both angles as part of the discussion as a statement of interest indicated we'd be open to either with the location staying the same.

[Speaker 3] (6:17 - 6:17)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (6:18 - 6:19)
Anyone else?

[Speaker 3] (6:20 - 6:21)
Can you just remind us what the

[Speaker 3] (6:23 - 6:33)
In a perfect world, which obviously never happens, time line is for when uh when you do these walk-throughs with MSBA, if we are accepted under every you know round here,

[Speaker 7] (6:33 - 6:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (6:33 - 6:36)
what that time line is. 'Cause I know it's rather extensive.

[Speaker 7] (6:36 - 6:37)
Six to seven years most likely.

[Speaker 3] (6:38 - 6:38)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (6:38 - 6:41)
It's five to seven, but not many projects are

[Speaker 3] (6:41 - 6:41)
Great.

[Speaker 7] (6:41 - 6:44)
done in five, so it's really a six to seven year process.

[Speaker 3] (6:44 - 6:46)
And that's for financing to come through before construction.

[Speaker 7] (6:46 - 6:47)
That's

[Speaker 4] (6:47 - 6:47)
That's

[Speaker 7] (6:47 - 6:47)
that's

[Speaker 4] (6:47 - 6:48)
the hole.

[Speaker 7] (6:48 - 6:48)
that's

[Speaker 1] (6:48 - 6:48)
We're

[Speaker 7] (6:48 - 6:48)
the hole

[Speaker 1] (6:48 - 6:48)
at the hole.

[Speaker 7] (6:48 - 6:50)
thing. Yeah, and

[Speaker 1] (6:50 - 6:50)
It's underneath.

[Speaker 7] (6:50 - 6:57)
there's a number of steps throughout where, you know, we would have money for the usability study and design um, you know

[Speaker 7] (6:59 - 7:14)
in advance of the next step and then we get you know the sort of the way we described it last spring was um there's a number of on-ramps and off-ramps throughout the process where we asked the community to take a really active role whether in voting or in weighing in on different steps in the process.

[Speaker 3] (7:15 - 7:15)
Got it. Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (7:18 - 7:20)
I have a question on the veterans housing.

[Speaker 3] (7:21 - 7:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (7:21 - 7:24)
So now that we we're in the first round and

[Speaker 6] (7:25 - 7:42)
Um, Kim Martin Epstein actually commented on it, that it's very rare to be able to get that much funding and support in the first round, which says a lot about our community and about the project. I think that we need to work as quickly as possible to start identifying our process on how we're going to help the community.

[Speaker 6] (7:43 - 7:50)
And um I'm going to give you a call and talk about a couple ways on I think where there is some extra money in case we need money to send out mailers.

[Speaker 6] (7:50 - 8:05)
and flyers or things like that. I know that the town um we give two thousand dollars a month over to the VFW right now to support veterans. And I think that'd be a good way going forward to use that money to help get the word out to market it and identify it and

[Speaker 7] (8:06 - 8:07)
As we move to towards occupancy.

[Speaker 6] (8:07 - 8:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (8:07 - 8:08)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (8:08 - 8:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (8:08 - 8:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (8:08 - 8:16)
So and then also you know getting a process in which we put together a committee that's gonna start you know working really hard on

[Speaker 6] (8:16 - 8:29)
We have over four hundred veterans in in town, so you know in town and then also in Lend people who have lived here or in Salem that have lived here that would still qualify. And uh I just wanna make sure we get that ball rolling.

[Speaker 6] (8:30 - 8:42)
And then the other thing I just wanna comment on last week's meeting, um when Patrick came, Patrick came and gave us the update on uh the shortfall on the overlay and on the um

[Speaker 6] (8:43 - 9:05)
the fun the additional care funding and I have to tell you it really bothered me it it's bothered me quite a bit because for two reasons one is we never heard a word about it, not one word until last week. And I just think that that's that we can't have it with that can't happen. We have the the select board and the finance committee need to be given updates on what's going on.

[Speaker 6] (9:06 - 9:13)
The fact that over two hundred thousand dollars is not being covered by the federal government, and I know that there was a lot of comments that

[Speaker 6] (9:14 - 9:27)
those are you know if we were to have a class action lawsuit it would be a lot of legal fees, but I do wanna look into that with other communities. And I do wanna get, you know, Senator Markey to comment on how is it possible, because

[Speaker 6] (9:28 - 9:53)
During that whole process we had our finance director and our town administrator was was constantly reporting back to us and working very hard to spend that money correctly and going over it over and over it and to now be told that it's not being covered by the federal government, I I just can't take that as okay we'll we'll take it. I think one I would like to see the select board be sent all the information.

[Speaker 6] (9:53 - 10:00)
session that was sent to us, um what is it we didn't why is it they're saying we don't qualify? What were the rules?

[Speaker 1] (10:17 - 10:30)
On the overlay, I the overlay I've I'll talk to Patrick so I can get a better understanding of the overlay but still the overlay seems a little odd to me that we had that much of an overlay when

[Speaker 1] (10:30 - 10:46)
All the tax bills haven't been processed in the given year. So I just I wanna get a better understanding of that. But the most important thing is I don't I don't wanna get blindsided again last minute. So if you could just put a note that if there's something outstanding on a balance sheet, let us know right away.

[Speaker 2] (10:46 - 10:47)
Will do.

[Speaker 1] (10:47 - 10:47)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (10:47 - 10:48)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (10:51 - 10:53)
Okay, we will move on to public comments.

[Speaker 3] (10:55 - 11:08)
Uh public comment is three minutes, and we are going to use this microphone here, because there is no microph oh, we're gonna move that microphone to the stand? Okay. Maybe you could just hand that microphone to Mr Demento for now, so that he doesn't have to make the journey.

[Speaker 4] (11:09 - 11:10)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 3] (11:10 - 11:11)
Thank you Joe, appreciate that.

[Speaker 4] (11:13 - 11:14)
Does this come out?

[Speaker 5] (11:14 - 11:15)
Yeah, that's it.

[Speaker 4] (11:17 - 11:17)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (11:20 - 11:21)
Good evening.

[Speaker 6] (11:21 - 11:25)
Build Demento, 1008 Paradise Road.

[Speaker 6] (11:26 - 11:30)
I am here to celebrate

[Speaker 6] (11:32 - 11:35)
the funding of the Veterans Project,

[Speaker 6] (11:36 - 11:47)
which is close to everyone who's concerned about affordable housing in the town of Swampscott. This is the biggest project

[Speaker 6] (11:48 - 11:50)
Since 1971,

[Speaker 6] (11:51 - 11:56)
when Doherty's Circle was approved for housing.

[Speaker 6] (11:56 - 11:58)
The biggest since then.

[Speaker 6] (11:59 - 12:05)
And it's only the biggest because it's the second other than the 38 unit Michonne School.

[Speaker 6] (12:06 - 12:10)
It is something to celebrate and I didn't want to miss it.

[Speaker 6] (12:11 - 12:13)
So much so that.

[Speaker 6] (12:13 - 12:22)
I know, I heard, just heard Mary Ellen say there should be a committee to try to identify veterans who might be eligible,

[Speaker 6] (12:22 - 12:38)
and I want this board to know that I am going to form an ad hoc veterans committee of five people to seek out with the veterans agent every veteran

[Speaker 6] (12:39 - 12:45)
in this town to find out what their status is and to see if they are eligible.

[Speaker 6] (12:46 - 12:54)
And I'm I'm thrilled that there's forty one units that for the first time I believe will actually be built.

[Speaker 6] (12:55 - 12:58)
The naysayers will complain.

[Speaker 6] (13:00 - 13:03)
They always do. But

[Speaker 6] (13:04 - 13:12)
Thanks to the three members of the board who were involved in the granting,

[Speaker 6] (13:12 - 13:14)
and the two new members,

[Speaker 6] (13:15 - 13:18)
and a new town administrator, and a new town planner,

[Speaker 6] (13:19 - 13:23)
I think this is going to happen. So, thank you.

[Speaker 3] (13:25 - 13:25)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (13:27 - 13:28)
Additional public comment.

[Speaker 3] (13:38 - 13:40)
This is from Mr.

[Speaker 3] (13:40 - 13:44)
James Andrews, 133 Stetson Avenue.

[Speaker 3] (13:45 - 13:53)
Uh, there are some links he gives which will be incorporated into the minutes so if you'd like to um see them please check out our minutes for at the next meeting.

[Speaker 3] (13:54 - 14:10)
Uh dear select board, I'm unable to attend public comment this evening, but would appreciate the following be made part of the public record. On august twenty seventh board meeting at the on the august twenty seventh board meeting Captain Cable presented a proposal that would change parking. During this presentation you repeatedly

[Speaker 3] (14:10 - 14:34)
repeatedly referenced the Westcott property and this was subsequently described by a board member as not being a transit property per mass housing financing minutes on 8 8 23 the financing for this development was approved on the basis of a transit oriented development within walking distance point three miles point sorry zero point three miles of Swampscott MBTA commuter rail station as well as being served by the MBTA bus service alongside Essex Street

[Speaker 3] (14:34 - 14:35)
street.

[Speaker 3] (14:35 - 15:00)
The developer's own study indicated that the initial proposal had a 75 percent shortfall in the number of required on-site parking spaces per swamp scot zoning regulations. According to the TIA there are 109 parking spaces proposed for the 128 multifamily housing units which is calculated to be 0.85 parking spaces per unit. God bless you. A strict interpretation of the zoning requirements would require 192 spaces based on current zoning requirements.

[Speaker 3] (15:00 - 15:02)
requirements," provides the link.

[Speaker 3] (15:02 - 15:07)
Considerable effort was made by the town and impacted residents on the developer.

[Speaker 3] (15:07 - 15:09)
In 21 and 22,

[Speaker 3] (15:09 - 15:16)
to negotiate a reduction in the impact of this development concessions on both sides ended up with a parking agreement and a plan that outlined the following.

[Speaker 3] (15:17 - 15:21)
Reduction from 120 to 114 units. Increased onsite parking from 109 to 130.

[Speaker 3] (15:21 - 15:29)
Increased ratio parking became 1.08 spaces per unit instead of 0.85 spaces per unit.

[Speaker 3] (15:29 - 15:32)
Easement plan to connect Pittman to rail trail transit.

[Speaker 3] (15:33 - 15:33)
the infrastructure.

[Speaker 3] (15:34 - 15:35)
As a resident,

[Speaker 3] (15:35 - 15:37)
I am concerned that after two years of opening,

[Speaker 3] (15:37 - 15:40)
the town has already appeared to be backtracking on this agreement.

[Speaker 3] (15:40 - 15:42)
Based on the Swampscott's own zoning requirements,

[Speaker 3] (15:42 - 15:49)
the failure to maintain this agreement would lead to an additional 60 to 70 vehicles competing for parking on the over congested area of town.

[Speaker 3] (15:49 - 16:00)
I'm also concerned that if town is incapable of managing the provisions under which I am also concerned that if the town is incapable of managing the provisions under

[Speaker 3] (15:59 - 16:08)
under which a controversial property such as the Westcott was permitted, then I question whether residents should trust anything the town says regarding other rezoning proposals or future developments.

[Speaker 3] (16:09 - 16:09)
James Andrews.

[Speaker 3] (16:10 - 16:14)
So his links will be um available in minutes.

[Speaker 3] (16:15 - 16:21)
And we will move on to um the new

[Speaker 3] (16:22 - 16:27)
And old business. Actually, I would like to consider, given the time, to just bump the consent agenda,

[Speaker 3] (16:27 - 16:31)
because we do have one individual who is on the consent agenda who is here,

[Speaker 3] (16:31 - 16:35)
Kelly Russo. So if it would be okay to take the consent agenda now,

[Speaker 3] (16:36 - 16:41)
so that we can allow Kelly to enjoy her evening without us, if she so chooses.

[Speaker 3] (16:43 - 16:47)
So the consent agenda includes the minutes, the entertainment license for Pomona.

[Speaker 3] (16:48 - 16:53)
Ms. Rousseau and Kristen Lewis to climate action and resiliency.

[Speaker 3] (16:54 - 16:55)
I will take a motion.

[Speaker 1] (16:55 - 16:56)
Motion to approve.

[Speaker 3] (16:57 - 16:57)
Can I have a second?

[Speaker 7] (16:57 - 16:57)
Second.

[Speaker 3] (16:57 - 16:58)
All in favor?

[Speaker 1] (16:59 - 17:00)
Hold on I have a discussion.

[Speaker 3] (17:00 - 17:01)
Oh, go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (17:01 - 17:10)
So I just I was going to pull the appointment of Kelly Russo only because I didn't really think that having the appointment of Kelly Russo should be just in the consent agenda.

[Speaker 1] (17:11 - 17:20)
And the reason I say that is I know Kelly Russo and she is an incredible hard-working volunteer for this community and we are so lucky to have you so

[Speaker 1] (17:20 - 17:29)
So I didn't think that you should just be in the consent agenda, but it seems how you do have to get going. I d I think it's we're really lucky to have you. Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1] (17:30 - 17:31)
So all

[Speaker 3] (17:31 - 17:34)
Thank you. All right. All in favour?

[Speaker 6] (17:34 - 17:34)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (17:34 - 17:34)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (17:34 - 17:34)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (17:34 - 17:35)
Aye.

[Speaker 3] (17:36 - 17:42)
All right. So we will now move on to new and old business. Thank you, Kelly, for joining us and thank you for your time.

[Speaker 8] (17:43 - 17:43)
Thank you all of you.

[Speaker 6] (17:43 - 17:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (17:45 - 17:46)
We can save it.

[Speaker 3] (17:46 - 17:50)
All right, we will move on to two proclamations this evening.

[Speaker 3] (17:51 - 17:54)
September is National Suicide Prevention Month,

[Speaker 3] (17:55 - 17:59)
and the select board makes the following proclamation.

[Speaker 3] (18:00 - 18:04)
Whereas September is recognized as National Suicide Prevention Month,

[Speaker 3] (18:04 - 18:09)
a time dedicated to raising awareness of mental health resources and suicide prevention services available within our communities,

[Speaker 3] (18:10 - 18:16)
this observation provides an opportunity to encourage conversation about mental health and the impact of suicide,

[Speaker 3] (18:16 - 18:21)
reduce stigma, and the help to connect individuals and families with appropriate support and resources.

[Speaker 3] (18:22 - 18:28)
And whereas suicide remains a significant public health concern that affects individuals of all ages and backgrounds as well as their friends,

[Speaker 3] (18:28 - 18:29)
families,

[Speaker 3] (18:29 - 18:29)
co-workers, neighbors,

[Speaker 3] (18:30 - 18:30)
and communities.

[Speaker 3] (18:30 - 18:37)
And whereas the town of Swampscott recognizes that every life lost to suicide has a profound and lasting impact on family members,

[Speaker 3] (18:38 - 18:38)
friends,

[Speaker 3] (18:39 - 18:39)
co-workers,

[Speaker 3] (18:39 - 18:40)
neighbors,

[Speaker 3] (18:40 - 18:41)
and the greater community.

[Speaker 3] (18:41 - 18:46)
And whereas the town of Swampscott proudly supports those who work each day in the fields of mental health,

[Speaker 3] (18:46 - 18:47)
education, education,

[Speaker 3] (18:47 - 18:48)
public safety,

[Speaker 3] (18:48 - 18:51)
health care and community service to provide prevention,

[Speaker 3] (18:51 - 18:52)
intervention,

[Speaker 3] (18:52 - 18:52)
treatment,

[Speaker 3] (18:53 - 19:13)
education and support to individuals and families and whereas national and local mental health organizations and community partners serve on the front lines of suicide prevention and mental health advocacy working to ensure that individuals know they are not alone and that help and support are available and whereas stigma surrounding suicide and mental health challenges

[Speaker 3] (19:13 - 19:38)
can prevent individuals from seeking the support they need making open conversation education compassion and awareness essential components of suicide prevention and whereas we encourage all residents to take the time to understand the importance of mental health and suicide prevention to recognize the signs that someone may need support to reach out to those who may be struggling and to remember that care for ourselves and one another includes caring

[Speaker 3] (19:38 - 19:41)
caring for our mental health and emotional well-being.

[Speaker 3] (19:41 - 19:42)
Now therefore,

[Speaker 3] (19:42 - 19:47)
be it proclaimed on behalf of the select board of the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts,

[Speaker 3] (19:47 - 19:54)
that September 2026 is hereby proclaimed as in the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts, we encourage

[Speaker 1] (20:15 - 20:38)
Um to pause for a moment, just check in with folks, right. That's really what this is about. It's about bringing recognition to um suicide awareness and to being active members of our community, checking in with our neighbours, checking in with our friends, making sure people have a place to be heard um so that we can prevent this from happening to other friends and family members.

[Speaker 1] (20:41 - 20:45)
We have a second proclamation which I'll read unless I have a volunteer.

[Speaker 1] (20:47 - 20:48)
I'll read.

[Speaker 1] (20:49 - 20:49)
I'll

[Speaker 2] (20:49 - 20:49)
I can give

[Speaker 1] (20:49 - 20:49)
also,

[Speaker 2] (20:49 - 20:50)
you a break if you want.

[Speaker 1] (20:50 - 20:51)
will you? That would be great, Ted.

[Speaker 2] (20:51 - 20:51)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (20:51 - 20:52)
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 2] (20:52 - 20:52)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (20:54 - 20:58)
Alright, the National Senior Centre month proclamation by the Swampscott Select Board,

[Speaker 3] (20:58 - 21:14)
whereas since 2007 National Senior Centre month has been celebrated each September as recognised by the National Council on Aging and the National Institute of Senior Centres to celebrate senior centres across the country and the important work they do to enrich and enhance the lives of older adults.

[Speaker 3] (21:15 - 21:22)
And whereas the Swampscott Senior Center is committed to fostering an inclusive welcoming community for all people and recognizes and celebrates the diversity of our community.

[Speaker 3] (21:22 - 21:27)
And whereas the town of Swampscott supports the rights of every citizen to experience equality,

[Speaker 3] (21:27 - 21:28)
dignity,

[Speaker 3] (21:28 - 21:29)
respect and freedom from discrimination.

[Speaker 3] (21:30 - 21:40)
And whereas the origins of National Senior Center month can be traced to National Senior Center week first celebrated in May 1979 to recognize senior centers throughout the nation.

[Speaker 3] (21:40 - 22:04)
and the essential role they play in supporting older adults older adults and strengthening communities and whereas in 1985 President Ronald Reagan issued the first presidential proclamation recognizing National Senior Center Week and in 2007 the National Institute of Senior Centers expanded the observation to an entire month designating each September as National Senior Center Month

[Speaker 3] (22:06 - 22:07)
And whereas since 2021,

[Speaker 3] (22:08 - 22:14)
the town of Swampscott has continued to strengthen its commitment to older adults through dedicated leadership,

[Speaker 3] (22:14 - 22:14)
resources,

[Speaker 3] (22:15 - 22:15)
programs,

[Speaker 3] (22:15 - 22:16)
services,

[Speaker 3] (22:16 - 22:19)
and opportunities that support healthy and active aging.

[Speaker 3] (22:20 - 22:23)
And whereas the Swampscott Senior Center serves as an important community resource,

[Speaker 3] (22:24 - 22:24)
providing social,

[Speaker 3] (22:25 - 22:25)
educational,

[Speaker 3] (22:25 - 22:28)
recreational and wellness programs,

[Speaker 3] (22:28 - 22:29)
as well as nutritious meals,

[Speaker 3] (22:29 - 22:33)
transportation services and opportunities for connection and engagement.

[Speaker 3] (22:34 - 22:40)
And whereas the town of Swampscott is proud of its growing senior community and recognizes...

[Speaker 3] (22:40 - 22:46)
That senior centers play an essential role in supporting the overall health and well-being of older adults,

[Speaker 3] (22:46 - 22:48)
particularly by reducing social isolation,

[Speaker 3] (22:49 - 22:50)
encouraging meaningful connections,

[Speaker 3] (22:51 - 22:54)
and creating opportunities for seniors to remain active and engaged in their community.

[Speaker 3] (22:55 - 23:04)
And whereas Swampscott continues to envision opportunities to serve residents of all ages and generations while recognizing the important role older adults play in the strength,

[Speaker 3] (23:04 - 23:05)
character,

[Speaker 3] (23:05 - 23:05)
history,

[Speaker 3] (23:05 - 23:06)
and future of our community.

[Speaker 3] (23:07 - 23:13)
And now therefore be it proclaimed by virtue of the authority vested in the select board of the town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 3] (23:13 - 23:21)
Massachusetts that the month of September 2026 is hereby proclaimed as in the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts and we encourage all residents,

[Speaker 3] (23:21 - 23:21)
businesses,

[Speaker 3] (23:22 - 23:23)
faith-based and non-profit institutions,

[Speaker 3] (23:24 - 23:27)
community groups and public institutions to acknowledge,

[Speaker 3] (23:28 - 23:28)
honor,

[Speaker 3] (23:28 - 23:34)
value and celebrate the contributions of older adults to our community and to recognize the dedicated individual.

[Speaker 3] (23:34 - 23:37)
individuals who serve and support them each day,

[Speaker 3] (23:38 - 23:44)
in witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands and cause to be affixed the great seal of the Town of Swampscott,

[Speaker 3] (23:44 - 23:47)
Massachusetts this eighth day of September 2026.

[Speaker 1] (23:48 - 23:49)
Thank you, Ted.

[Speaker 1] (23:49 - 23:50)
Appreciate that.

[Speaker 1] (23:51 - 23:55)
Appreciate all that the Senior Center continues to do for our aging population,

[Speaker 1] (23:56 - 23:57)
especially our

[Speaker 1] (23:58 - 24:03)
Director Emeritus Heidi Weir and our current director. So

[Speaker 1] (24:05 - 24:10)
we will move on to, it is not quite seven o'clock and that's what we posted. Can I still go on?

[Speaker 1] (24:12 - 24:21)
We have to wait. Okay, so let's move on to what can we move on to for five minutes. Discussion of the charter commission.

[Speaker 1] (24:23 - 24:26)
It says 6.30 on here, but it was posted in the paper at 7.

[Speaker 4] (24:26 - 24:26)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (24:26 - 24:30)
So I don't want to start it um until the publicly posted time.

[Speaker 3] (24:30 - 24:31)
Do you want your rec?

[Speaker 1] (24:31 - 24:39)
So that's why I'm waiting for ERAC um to open. Can we move on to the charter con conversation for five minutes or is it gonna take longer than that?

[Speaker 3] (24:39 - 24:42)
I can just speak to it, if that's okay,

[Speaker 1] (24:42 - 24:42)
Please.

[Speaker 3] (24:42 - 24:44)
instead of the slides for now.

[Speaker 1] (24:44 - 24:46)
Yes, and then we can go

[Speaker 3] (24:46 - 24:46)
If

[Speaker 1] (24:46 - 24:46)
ahead.

[Speaker 3] (24:46 - 24:48)
we even need to do the slides, we can decide that later.

[Speaker 1] (24:48 - 24:49)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 5] (24:50 - 25:00)
So the the purpose of the review is that there had been a handful of um folks that expressed interest in looking at individual parts and pieces of the charter in trying to understand if the authorities

[Speaker 5] (25:01 - 25:09)
Um the rolls, the appointments and structures, the budget and capital process, if everything that we last agreed on in 2016 is still, you know, in its appropriate form.

[Speaker 5] (25:10 - 25:18)
Uh I know going back to the draft of 2001 or 2002 the idea was that every five years uh the town would actually be taking a look at it.

[Speaker 5] (25:18 - 25:20)
In the 2016 draft,

[Speaker 5] (25:20 - 25:32)
we removed that five-year look back, so now here we are 10 years later thinking it's probably a good time for us to take a few moments throughout a year or so to get together and figure out what the best next steps might be.

[Speaker 5] (25:34 - 25:48)
So as I said it largely dates from the 2016 revision. There were not a ton of changes made. I had some discussions with Gerry Perry because he was involved both in the drafting and at least on the tangential parts of 2016,

[Speaker 5] (25:48 - 25:56)
but he also supported other communities in this effort at Mass D-O-R to sort of understand best practices and what's going on and also currently,

[Speaker 5] (25:56 - 26:00)
you know, in the last eighteen months he's worked on a revision in

[Speaker 5] (26:00 - 26:25)
and Beverly as well. Uh generally speaking there's a process that that goes forward, it starts with a charter review committee. Um in the past here in town we had gone to town meeting with an article that would s set forth the charge and the composition of that committee. It's, you know, between five and seven people normally. Uh it would be, you know, if it's at the five person level it would like to be one appointment from you all, one from the school committee, one from

[Speaker 9] (26:25 - 26:25)
the

[Speaker 5] (26:25 - 26:33)
one from finance and potentially two from the moderator, at least looking at models that have been used state-wide uh to put together a group that would meet with

[Speaker 5] (26:34 - 26:39)
you know, committee chairs, committee members, citizens throughout the course of a year.

[Speaker 5] (26:39 - 27:06)
Uh I think when we talked about time on last week or two weeks ago when we when we last met the question was sort of how long would we anticipate this taking. If we were to go forward a town meeting in December uh I would think that we would be looking at a twelve month process where next December they would be coming forward. So it's, you know, a point um in a point the review body uh establish uh the charge and scope begin public input then we move into the meetings with the boards and committees, staff, residents,

[Speaker 5] (27:06 - 27:10)
residents and others to identify proposed changes into the spring of next year.

[Speaker 5] (27:10 - 27:24)
Throughout the spring and summer we would be categorizing the recommendations and determining the legal path forward. There's two different ways to do it. We can make some changes and it would likely just be accepted as a home rule petition if it goes through town meeting.

[Speaker 5] (27:24 - 27:28)
If we make significant changes it likely would also need to go to a referendum. So it would be town meeting,

[Speaker 5] (27:28 - 27:31)
the legislature and a referendum all.

[Speaker 5] (27:31 - 27:33)
That is a decision.

[Speaker 5] (27:32 - 27:56)
decision in the past we would probably wait to decide on until we get a little further along next spring or summer so that we understand sort of the breadth of what the suggested changes may be and we can figure out what would work best and then we would be coming to town meeting a year from now with that recommendation and those changes. The other thing a lot of communities are doing right now is they're working with outside consultants, primarily the Collins Center works closely with communities to do this.

[Speaker 5] (27:57 - 27:59)
I've reached out to them to look at sort of a draft scope.

[Speaker 5] (27:59 - 28:10)
scope and to understand what a budget might look like, making no commitment whatsoever, other than letting them know that we're sort of looking at this and I wanna understand what that would look like if we were to partner with them or another organisation that's similar.

[Speaker 5] (28:11 - 28:18)
Um and they help both facilitate the process of public engagement to make sure we're leveraging um you know technology and

[Speaker 5] (28:19 - 28:44)
things like I know Swack had done different um surveys in town to make sure that the feedback was broader than who may show up for a meeting, whether in in person or virtual. Uh so we would work potentially with them on on things like that, but they also have best practices that they've developed over the last few years working with communities. This is one of their core competencies and support of municipalities across the state. So I don't have the information on pricing on that yet, but we're looking into that as well.

[Speaker 5] (28:45 - 28:53)
Um but I'm happy to answer any questions, trying to keep this to five minutes so that we can facilitate a discussion uh without stepping on the ERAC time too much.

[Speaker 1] (28:54 - 28:57)
Are there grant opportunities for to engage

[Speaker 5] (28:57 - 28:57)
I

[Speaker 1] (28:57 - 28:58)
with would comms?

[Speaker 5] (28:58 - 29:01)
look at the community compact, I'm not certain I Okay. can look into that though.

[Speaker 3] (29:01 - 29:07)
Can you help us understand what the difference is between a committee and an elected formal charter commission?

[Speaker 5] (29:09 - 29:20)
Well, the appointed committee would allow it to be, you know, a number of boards identifying uh like I said, if there was a five participant board, it would likely be one from each of the three committees I mentioned. And then

[Speaker 3] (29:20 - 29:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (29:20 - 29:29)
the one thing I neglected to say, the moderator would in the past at least choose from elected town meeting members. So it's not just picking, you know, someone that has not been engaged and involved.

[Speaker 5] (29:31 - 29:42)
An elected process is necessarily more political, I think, than a process where, you know, elected bodies appoint someone that they think is well-qualified to help lead this process for the community.

[Speaker 3] (29:42 - 29:49)
But it at what point do, is there a choice that we can make? Is I'm just trying to understand the mechanisms of how this.

[Speaker 2] (30:05 - 30:05)
Mm versus-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (30:05 - 30:07)
a committee yeah where

[Speaker 1] (30:08 - 30:17)
does the town lie in an obligation to fulfil that law, in other words do we ha are we forced to create a

[Speaker 3] (30:17 - 30:17)
So

[Speaker 1] (30:17 - 30:17)
commission?

[Speaker 3] (30:17 - 30:29)
that it it is better to start with the committee so that you can identify what the breadth of the changes are. If the idea was to come back with we need to change to a a mayor-council form of government.

[Speaker 3] (30:29 - 30:30)
It would be a completely different idea

[Speaker 1] (30:30 - 30:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (30:31 - 30:31)
than

[Speaker 1] (30:31 - 30:31)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (30:31 - 30:31)
we wanna

[Speaker 1] (30:31 - 30:31)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (30:31 - 30:32)
look

[Speaker 1] (30:32 - 30:32)
of course.

[Speaker 3] (30:32 - 30:32)
at some appointment

[Speaker 1] (30:32 - 30:32)
Of course.

[Speaker 3] (30:32 - 30:52)
authorities to make sure that they best represent the community. And this and that was really the questions that came up last spring were really around appointment authority. It was not a wholesale change of uh the sort of structure of town government. It was making sure that what we're doing now and what we decided ten years ago still makes sense now. Um in twenty-twenty six.

[Speaker 3] (30:53 - 30:58)
Does that represent I mean the three members of the board does that reasonably represent their conversations we had in the spring?

[Speaker 4] (30:58 - 30:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (30:59 - 30:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (30:59 - 30:59)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (30:59 - 30:59)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (31:00 - 31:02)
So are we gonna come back to this conversation?

[Speaker 5] (31:02 - 31:03)
We can.

[Speaker 4] (31:03 - 31:03)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (31:03 - 31:05)
Sure, we could table it and then go to Iraq.

[Speaker 3] (31:05 - 31:05)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (31:05 - 31:06)
That's fine.

[Speaker 5] (31:07 - 31:19)
Alright, so we will table the rest of this and we will move on to the earth removal advisory committee joint meeting and public hearing. This hearing was postponed or was is this a new hearing? Can't recall from

[Speaker 6] (31:19 - 31:19)
It's new.

[Speaker 4] (31:19 - 31:19)
It's

[Speaker 5] (31:19 - 31:19)
this

[Speaker 6] (31:19 - 31:20)
It's new.

[Speaker 5] (31:20 - 31:20)
new.

[Speaker 4] (31:20 - 31:20)
new.

[Speaker 3] (31:20 - 31:20)
We never opened

[Speaker 5] (31:20 - 31:21)
It was

[Speaker 3] (31:21 - 31:21)
it.

[Speaker 5] (31:21 - 31:23)
never opened. Great.

[Speaker 5] (31:24 - 31:29)
Uh so uh if you guys wanna open your meeting

[Speaker 5] (31:31 - 31:33)
We have to vote to open the public hearing first.

[Speaker 4] (31:34 - 31:34)
So moved.

[Speaker 7] (31:34 - 31:35)
Say again.

[Speaker 3] (31:35 - 31:35)
So

[Speaker 5] (31:35 - 31:36)
Second.

[Speaker 7] (31:36 - 31:37)
Second. Alright, I'll

[Speaker 5] (31:37 - 31:37)
All

[Speaker 7] (31:37 - 31:37)
I'll

[Speaker 5] (31:37 - 31:38)
in favour?

[Speaker 7] (31:38 - 31:38)
uh I.

[Speaker 4] (31:38 - 31:38)
I.

[Speaker 7] (31:38 - 31:38)
I.

[Speaker 5] (31:38 - 31:40)
Aye. Now you guys can open your meeting.

[Speaker 7] (31:41 - 31:41)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (31:44 - 31:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (31:46 - 31:48)
We good? Okay, great.

[Speaker 5] (31:54 - 31:56)
Alright. Joe, you wanna take it away?

[Speaker 7] (31:56 - 31:59)
Uh sure. I when we last um

[Speaker 1] (31:59 - 32:17)
I read on this this topic, um when you had the permit in front of you, uh EREC had uh asked that you you uh postpone consideration of its approval because uh the town earth removal by-law has a lot of um uh conditions that are required to be part of the permit.

[Speaker 1] (32:18 - 32:37)
And we did not include many of those provisions and we felt that and nor did we address those provisions that we did not include in the permit. And because this is the law of the land we felt that we needed to say something about those provisions of the bylaw that we did not include in this permit.

[Speaker 1] (32:38 - 32:47)
So the only difference between the permit you have in front of you and the one that you had when we last met is the fourth paragraph on the first page.

[Speaker 1] (32:48 - 32:56)
And it effectively says that let me stop by saying that

[Speaker 1] (32:57 - 33:03)
These requirements are in the Earth Removal Bi-Law is Article 13,

[Speaker 1] (33:03 - 33:11)
and I'm specifically looking at Section 4, which is General Limitations. And under General Limitations there are

[Speaker 1] (33:12 - 33:22)
It essentially says the permit shall include, but not be limited to, conditions that address the following, and there are approximately eighteen different conditions that need to be uh addressed.

[Speaker 1] (33:23 - 33:31)
We did not address them all, and this paragraph explains why not all of those uh conditions are addressed.

[Speaker 1] (33:31 - 33:35)
And in large part, it's because they either are inapplicable,

[Speaker 1] (33:36 - 33:38)
impractical, impossible.

[Speaker 1] (33:38 - 33:58)
And and um so we did not include them, but we also um didn't wanna say nothing about them. And for um for example um in in the by-law it says that um uh the permit shall include conditions that address type and location of structures.

[Speaker 1] (33:59 - 34:04)
First of all, that's vague. Um second, maybe it refers to a construction trailer.

[Speaker 1] (34:05 - 34:07)
But planning would take care of that.

[Speaker 1] (34:07 - 34:30)
Once once a project goes through planning and zoning and the building inspector does does ERAC really have the authority to say no no we don't like those structures we want to put them elsewhere? It doesn't or it shouldn't. So some of these cla provisions uh set up conflict, but they're p at best they're redundant, but um at worst conflict. The another one is uh number seven. The

[Speaker 7] (34:30 - 34:52)
and the the area and depth of excavation. Again, that's something that's going to be dictated by the permits that the project has re received. Does he rec have the ability or w or the board of select bo the select board have the ability to come in and say no, no we don't like that, we don't you know we want you to do instead of ten feet, we want you to do eight feet, even though you have a permit for ten feet.

[Speaker 7] (34:52 - 34:57)
So we felt we had a say something in the permit that e addresses why

[Speaker 1] (34:59 - 35:16)
That is not a condition in the permit and many and many others, and that fourth paragraph is what uh accomplishes that purpose. Um the selectboard certainly has the prerogative to say well we do want some of these conditions that that ERAC did not address included.

[Speaker 1] (35:17 - 35:25)
And if that were the case, there would have to be discussion and we'd go back and if that were the case, I don't think EREC would have to approve again.

[Speaker 1] (35:25 - 35:27)
I think we're at the select board stage,

[Speaker 1] (35:27 - 35:36)
so changes that you prefer to make, you you can make. So that's where we're at. So I I

[Speaker 7] (35:37 - 35:53)
You know, certainly I'm willing to entertain any discussion of um every any aspect of the permit um I have nothing really more to present and and would recommend that the select board um accept the recommendation of ERAC for the permit for five fifty five uh Essex Street.

[Speaker 5] (35:57 - 36:00)
Um I just have a couple follow-ups to

[Speaker 7] (36:00 - 36:00)
Sure.

[Speaker 5] (36:00 - 36:02)
what this new paragraph.

[Speaker 5] (36:03 - 36:10)
Um are we considering the any adjustments to the bylaw post this permit outside of

[Speaker 1] (36:11 - 36:20)
Yeah. Um we we have talked about taking a look at the bylaw uh and presenting amendments uh for the Springtown meeting.

[Speaker 5] (36:20 - 36:20)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (36:20 - 36:25)
So uh we haven't gotten into that yet but uh it's the bylaw it's it's

[Speaker 7] (36:26 - 36:32)
There are provisions in the by-law that are appropriate for standalone projects that have a beginning and an end,

[Speaker 7] (36:32 - 36:33)
and then we have the quarry.

[Speaker 5] (36:33 - 36:34)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (36:34 - 36:40)
And there are many provisions here that just don't apply to the quarry, and there were many that don't apply to a standalone project.

[Speaker 7] (36:40 - 36:45)
So uh we we are gonna be discussing how we can segregate those

[Speaker 5] (36:45 - 36:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (36:45 - 36:50)
and clarify them and make them less vague and down. So yes, that'll be coming in the spring.

[Speaker 5] (36:51 - 36:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (36:54 - 37:02)
One is under 4D for contaminated soil and material. How is that monitored?

[Speaker 7] (37:04 - 37:11)
Well, I think a lot of the problems with ERAC in the bylaw is that there's no mechanism to enforce.

[Speaker 7] (37:12 - 37:16)
There's no penalties if enforcement found a problem.

[Speaker 1] (37:18 - 37:31)
I don't think it's practical or realistic to think that ERAC members are gonna be monitoring going down at the at at project sites and and monitoring um a lot of what goes down although Tony might, I mean uh

[Speaker 4] (37:31 - 37:32)
Tony retired.

[Speaker 1] (37:34 - 37:35)
Uh but um

[Speaker 7] (37:35 - 37:36)
It's got to be long term.

[Speaker 1] (37:36 - 37:42)
but uh we have addressed the um the the the g

[Speaker 1] (37:42 - 37:54)
these issues with with um the project um representatives and so if you want a detail on how that those those items are being handled I think they are better positioned to discuss that. You want to say something?

[Speaker 7] (37:54 - 38:07)
Could I suggest um I don't know if you're ready to kind of give an overview um Andy or Ken or Nick I'm guessing you're here to speak on the project. Can you give an overview of the scope that this permit is gonna be authorising?

[Speaker 7] (38:08 - 38:23)
We'd be glad to. Uh just just for the record, my name is Attorney Pat Schroeder. So I'm uh freely here on behalf of the uh Davis company, who is doing the construction. We moved through the Callahan uh of the project, of the hundred and sixty one residential units. Um

[Speaker 7] (38:24 - 38:38)
The applicant, Nick Menino, is the one who's actually doing the site work, and he's the the one who filled out the application and could probably give you more of the technical details than I. But we we assembled this group in anticipation that you never know what's gonna be asked until you're asked.

[Speaker 7] (38:39 - 38:59)
uh we we see the project coming along, uh we're very proud of what what hopefully you've seen, and we just uh as a result of removing more than uh four hundred uh cubic yards of soil, uh we've we've triggered the point where ERAC is now involved and clearly you are as well as the um as the permitting authority.

[Speaker 7] (38:59 - 39:04)
So if you wanna direct any questions to Mr Menino, he I'm sure he'll be glad to answer them for you.

[Speaker 8] (39:05 - 39:06)
That'd be great if I

[Speaker 5] (39:06 - 39:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (39:06 - 39:19)
may. What's the b like what is the amount of cubic earth you're gonna be moving? What's the pro like just give me a thirty thousand foot of what activities we're gonna be permitting through this, beyond the fact you're gonna be moving four hundred

[Speaker 1] (39:19 - 39:19)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (39:19 - 39:21)
cubic feet or more, obviously.

[Speaker 7] (39:20 - 39:21)
I'll take this.

[Speaker 1] (39:21 - 39:44)
So, Nick Menino from Menino Construction, representing uh Cali and and the owner Davis and companies. Uh the site's a unique site, five fifty five is it's a big project uh with a hundred and sixty three units. But everyone was familiar with it, a relatively flat parking lot, that's not uh we have some t we generate more

[Speaker 1] (40:03 - 40:24)
And fortunately the material that was put in there when the parking lot was built thirty or so years ago was hauled down from aggregate industries at the time. I think it was Lincean and Stone are aggregate now Wholesome. And that's been approved through

[Speaker 1] (40:26 - 40:45)
uh through Callahan and uh the geotechnical engineers that uh geoengineering uh that w we have on site to reuse um most if not all of that material. So uh it's it's go a relatively small amount of material that will leave the site for such a large site.

[Speaker 1] (40:46 - 40:46)
You know

[Speaker 2] (40:47 - 40:48)
How much of the material is moving off-site?

[Speaker 1] (40:49 - 40:50)
About a thousand yards.

[Speaker 2] (40:50 - 40:53)
Okay, thousand yards. The rest of it's gonna remain on site in some other

[Speaker 1] (40:53 - 40:53)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (40:53 - 40:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (40:53 - 41:03)
Yeah. To give a you know comparison there was thirty thirty thousand yards moved off for the uh elementary school that was recently built.

[Speaker 2] (41:06 - 41:06)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (41:06 - 41:10)
I have a question about uh big dirt pile next to stop and shop.

[Speaker 3] (41:11 - 41:29)
Um I have had calls from people asking is it healthy that there's this huge dirt pile down in our area here and um and there is so I have had concerns about whether or not that's a health hazard or whatever kind of issues might come of that.

[Speaker 3] (41:29 - 41:32)
So and it says here in the permit that it gets sprayed down

[Speaker 3] (41:33 - 41:38)
um etc but is it being sprayed down on the weekends or is that how is that being monitored?

[Speaker 1] (41:40 - 41:40)
So that we

[Speaker 1] (41:41 - 41:46)
The material, we have a water truck on site and it is sprayed down regularly.

[Speaker 1] (41:47 - 41:55)
It isn't in we have worked in there on an occasional Saturday for a little bit, but for the most part, no,

[Speaker 1] (41:55 - 41:59)
it's not sprayed down, but it's also not dug and moved around on Saturday.

[Speaker 1] (41:59 - 42:08)
So it's usually when we're digging into the material and loading it, we're adding to that pile as we dig.

[Speaker 1] (42:08 - 42:28)
We dig foundations and then we're removing from that pile as we backfill the foundations, you know, creating as much of a balanced site as we can. So it's it's as we're moving it around the site, tracking around with heavy dump trucks and loaders that you tend to kick up the dust and need to keep the site wet to minimise.

[Speaker 1] (42:29 - 42:42)
Minimize the dust, which is the real problem. The loam pile that was there was hydro seeded, and the the earth pile that's there that's being reused is wet regularly, certainly when we're digging into it.

[Speaker 2] (42:43 - 42:43)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (42:44 - 42:44)
Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (42:44 - 42:50)
So I have a question about the Japanese knotweed part of this. I know this was discussed in prior Iraq meetings.

[Speaker 2] (42:50 - 42:56)
Can you give us an update as to how you're managing that actively? Has it been moved off site?

[Speaker 2] (42:56 - 43:04)
Is it separately identified? And I thought there was conversation recently about hydroseeding the Japanese knotweed pile,

[Speaker 2] (43:05 - 43:08)
which doesn't necessarily aid in its...

[Speaker 2] (43:10 - 43:16)
What's the word I'm trying to find, uh diffusion into the environment. Can you talk a little bit about what you're doing with with that?

[Speaker 1] (43:18 - 43:20)
I'll let Mike from CAL-IN talk

[Speaker 2] (43:20 - 43:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (43:20 - 43:21)
to that.

[Speaker 4] (43:23 - 43:33)
So the p the pile of lome that was hydro seeded is also the pile that the Japanese knotweed grew in. Um we've

[Speaker 4] (43:33 - 43:56)
hired a consultant who has come up with a rough plan on how to treat it and at the same time we covered it with tarps today to help as it starts to flower this fall minimize how much of it could spread to other properties but the gist of the treatment would be to cut it spray it with a pesticide in

[Speaker 4] (43:57 - 44:07)
The end of September, beginning of October this year, and then next year, cut it in June and spray it in September as well.

[Speaker 4] (44:09 - 44:09)
Okay?

[Speaker 2] (44:11 - 44:11)
Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (44:15 - 44:21)
And I'll add something to that. It looks worse now because it's all in one spot.

[Speaker 2] (44:21 - 44:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (44:21 - 44:30)
But it's actually a lot easier for the control of it, whether it's covering it with tops or treating it. It was spread out all along Essex Street.

[Speaker 1] (44:30 - 44:37)
And it's a real problem on a lot of sites throughout the town and the state.

[Speaker 1] (44:38 - 44:46)
It's it's a bit of a learning curve for all of us, but the fact that it's in one condensed pile is making the treatment plan a little bit easier.

[Speaker 2] (44:47 - 44:58)
And so when you do use pesticides because the drainage area does go straight to the ocean, is there consideration of making sure that there is no, again, diffusion of the product into the wa into the basin?

[Speaker 4] (44:59 - 45:00)
So there in that has been

[Speaker 4] (45:02 - 45:18)
That was discussed with the consultant we were talking about, which is why he's still going back and forth on a final written plan of okay, I'm gonna use this pesticide or this one. And I think that's part of the um part of what he's looking into.

[Speaker 3] (45:19 - 45:21)
So you really don't have a plan at this spot, right?

[Speaker 5] (45:21 - 45:21)
Jim,

[Speaker 2] (45:21 - 45:21)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (45:21 - 45:24)
could you have the people speak up? I'm representing the.

[Speaker 6] (45:25 - 45:30)
Sure, I'd be glad to have the people speak. Could you just speak into the microphone so it circulates through the

[Speaker 4] (45:30 - 45:30)
I have to speak

[Speaker 6] (45:30 - 45:30)
room.

[Speaker 4] (45:30 - 45:30)
right here.

[Speaker 6] (45:31 - 45:32)
Thank you.

[Speaker 4] (45:33 - 45:44)
So I was saying um that's part of the consultants issue right now is that he's going back and forth and making sure whatever pesticide he decides to use doesn't cause any environmental issues.

[Speaker 6] (45:49 - 45:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (45:51 - 45:52)
Additional questions?

[Speaker 6] (45:52 - 45:53)
Outside of the knotweed.

[Speaker 6] (45:56 - 45:57)
Seeing none,

[Speaker 6] (45:59 - 46:00)
we will move on to a motion.

[Speaker 3] (46:01 - 46:02)
Motion to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 3] (46:03 - 46:03)
What would you like to put?

[Speaker 2] (46:03 - 46:04)
Do we have any public comment?

[Speaker 6] (46:04 - 46:08)
We will end the public first and then take the motion after?

[Speaker 6] (46:09 - 46:09)
Is that

[Speaker 2] (46:09 - 46:09)
I was

[Speaker 6] (46:09 - 46:10)
wait.

[Speaker 2] (46:10 - 46:11)
asking if we do public comments

[Speaker 6] (46:11 - 46:11)
Oh,

[Speaker 2] (46:11 - 46:12)
part of the public

[Speaker 6] (46:12 - 46:12)
okay.

[Speaker 3] (46:12 - 46:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (46:12 - 46:12)
hearing.

[Speaker 6] (46:12 - 46:15)
We do have public comments part of the public hearing is there any the public?

[Speaker 2] (46:19 - 46:19)
Anybody

[Speaker 6] (46:19 - 46:19)
No one online.

[Speaker 2] (46:19 - 46:19)
online?

[Speaker 2] (46:20 - 46:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (46:21 - 46:23)
Thanks for the reminder. Looks like we're good.

[Speaker 6] (46:25 - 46:27)
So we have a motion on the table to close the public hearing.

[Speaker 2] (46:27 - 46:28)
I have a second.

[Speaker 6] (46:28 - 46:28)
second.

[Speaker 6] (46:28 - 46:29)
Ted?

[Speaker 5] (46:29 - 46:29)
Second.

[Speaker 6] (46:29 - 46:30)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (46:30 - 46:30)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (46:30 - 46:30)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (46:30 - 46:33)
Aye. Okay, we will now move for a motion

[Speaker 3] (46:33 - 46:33)
Motion

[Speaker 6] (46:33 - 46:34)
to

[Speaker 3] (46:34 - 46:37)
to approve the public motion approve the permit second

[Speaker 6] (46:38 - 46:39)
All in favor?

[Speaker 3] (46:39 - 46:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (46:39 - 46:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (46:39 - 46:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (46:39 - 46:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 2] (46:39 - 46:39)
Aye.

[Speaker 5] (46:41 - 46:41)
Thank you all.

[Speaker 6] (46:41 - 46:45)
Thank you very much. Thank you for joining us and for the information.

[Speaker 6] (46:49 - 47:08)
We will move on to the Kleinfelder report. Uh we did receive some an email from the public asking us to speak very clearly into our microphones because it is difficult to hear even online. So if we could get very close like a rock star, as Joe said, that would be helpful to them.

[Speaker 2] (47:09 - 47:10)
Can you make me a presenter?

[Speaker 6] (47:16 - 47:18)
Thank you, Iraq. Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (47:25 - 47:25)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (47:28 - 47:28)
I just

[Speaker 6] (47:28 - 47:28)
You have

[Speaker 4] (47:28 - 47:29)
think it could be made if a lot

[Speaker 6] (47:29 - 47:29)
if you wanna,

[Speaker 2] (47:29 - 47:29)
there's another

[Speaker 6] (47:29 - 47:30)
there's

[Speaker 2] (47:30 - 47:30)
microphone.

[Speaker 6] (47:30 - 47:31)
another microphone there if you wanna

[Speaker 3] (47:31 - 47:32)
The who does that?

[Speaker 6] (47:32 - 47:33)
who?

[Speaker 6] (47:44 - 47:48)
Okay, maybe you guys could start while we try to pull the slides up.

[Speaker 7] (47:48 - 48:08)
Sure. Um I guess I'll just make an opening comment. This is David Petersen with Kleinfelder. Um we do have uh three different companies that kinda worked on this as well as a bunch of folks from the town. So I just wanna make acknowledgements and we also have um representatives from McAllister Marine Engineering here and Woods Hole Group.

[Speaker 7] (48:09 - 48:15)
As well as Kleinfelder, so I wanna acknowledge the consultant team. Um so Brandon Raymond is to my left from Woods Hole Group,

[Speaker 7] (48:16 - 48:28)
Seth Bryant from Kleinfelder, and then on the um screen there is John McAllister, hopefully yet we can get the technology to work that he can speak, um and so um, you know, we were um

[Speaker 7] (48:28 - 48:35)
first brought together to work on this coastal resiliency plan focused specifically on fishermen's beach.

[Speaker 7] (48:36 - 48:43)
Doug Thompson I think was the sort of the the force behind it from the select board originally and you know so it started from there.

[Speaker 7] (48:44 - 48:55)
Originally we were pursuing some grant funding for the project we were unfortunately unable to get the grant but we were very happy that the town proceeded with a lesser scoped project.

[Speaker 7] (48:55 - 48:55)
project.

[Speaker 7] (48:56 - 49:01)
And one of the themes and recommendations of this is,

[Speaker 7] (49:01 - 49:04)
you know, because we had to cut the scope down and the cost down,

[Speaker 7] (49:04 - 49:12)
we didn't have much of a public outreach or any real public outreach piece at all. That's going to be a really critical part of, you know, any future steps.

[Speaker 7] (49:12 - 49:14)
And we have a slide about that later.

[Speaker 7] (49:15 - 49:19)
So in terms of the last slide, which I'll just...

[Speaker 7] (49:20 - 49:39)
Talk about it now because we don't need to wait to the end in terms of who was involved in the town. So, um Marcy Glaskin and Tim Millikin, um were part of it, Gino Cresta, Martha Schmidt, Les Smith, Jackson Schultz, Tad Dooley. So we had a variety of um meetings and input. Um

[Speaker 1] (49:42 - 49:47)
but lacking is like a really at large public outreach campaign,

[Speaker 1] (49:48 - 49:51)
which is something that we know will need to happen in the future.

[Speaker 1] (49:54 - 50:06)
Um the technical team is everyone who's not me. So uh I know you guys wanna hear from um you know Seth and and Brandon and and John. So I'm gonna turn it over to Seth who will facilitate the rest of the presentation.

[Speaker 2] (50:07 - 50:07)
Sure.

[Speaker 3] (50:07 - 50:10)
Shannon, are you able to take John off mute?

[Speaker 3] (50:11 - 50:13)
Or at least allow him?

[Speaker 4] (50:13 - 50:13)
Is it?

[Speaker 3] (50:13 - 50:15)
Oh, he's off. Okay, he's good. Okay. Thank you, never mind, you're good.

[Speaker 4] (50:16 - 50:16)
Hmm.

[Speaker 2] (50:16 - 50:19)
I is he able to speak? Do we know to that technical hiccup?

[Speaker 4] (50:19 - 50:20)
You haven't tested it yet.

[Speaker 1] (50:20 - 50:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (50:21 - 50:21)
Oh okay,

[Speaker 2] (50:21 - 50:21)
How you doin'

[Speaker 3] (50:21 - 50:22)
do you want

[Speaker 2] (50:22 - 50:22)
John?

[Speaker 3] (50:22 - 50:22)
to try?

[Speaker 3] (50:25 - 50:25)
Nope,

[Speaker 2] (50:25 - 50:25)
We No

[Speaker 3] (50:25 - 50:25)
can't

[Speaker 2] (50:25 - 50:26)
such luck.

[Speaker 3] (50:26 - 50:26)
hear him.

[Speaker 4] (50:26 - 50:27)
It doesn't look it.

[Speaker 3] (50:28 - 50:30)
We can see you talking, but we cannot hear you, sir.

[Speaker 3] (50:32 - 50:34)
Let's uh keep going and maybe

[Speaker 3] (50:35 - 50:37)
somebody else can act like his voice.

[Speaker 1] (50:37 - 50:39)
Yeah, we're prepared to cover his content.

[Speaker 3] (50:39 - 50:40)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (50:40 - 50:43)
We'll come back if we can get it to work, but let's go

[Speaker 2] (50:43 - 50:43)
Thanks,

[Speaker 3] (50:43 - 50:43)
a different

[Speaker 2] (50:43 - 50:43)
John.

[Speaker 3] (50:43 - 50:44)
direction.

[Speaker 4] (50:44 - 50:45)
Yeah, he's a few slides in, so

[Speaker 3] (50:45 - 50:46)
Okay, good.

[Speaker 4] (50:46 - 50:46)
perfect.

[Speaker 2] (50:46 - 50:46)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (50:46 - 50:48)
It has a little bit of time.

[Speaker 4] (50:49 - 50:58)
Sure, so to get started, just a quick agenda will give some background on the project. The aim of this project was both to look at what is the vulnerability for Swamp Scott on the coast,

[Speaker 4] (50:58 - 51:01)
particularly around fishermen's speech.

[Speaker 4] (51:02 - 51:06)
So we'll start with that vulnerability assessments and then move into an alternatives analysis.

[Speaker 4] (51:06 - 51:24)
this, uh where we dug in and looked at at what type of solutions might be appropriate for the coast to protect um your town from flooding in the future. Um from there uh Brandon and Witt's whole group worked on some modelling to show um what the benefit of some of these solutions might look like. Um then we'll move on to recommendations

[Speaker 4] (51:25 - 51:25)
the next slide.

[Speaker 4] (51:27 - 51:38)
Um so just real quickly to give some background on what your coastal vulnerability looks like we looked at a range of scenarios um for various climate horizons so looking at 2030,

[Speaker 4] (51:38 - 51:39)
2050,

[Speaker 4] (51:39 - 51:54)
2070 looking with sea level rise um how the risk might change moving forward um I have just a snapshot here of what in 2030 the projected coastal risk is um so this shows the probability in a given year that these areas might flood.

[Speaker 4] (51:54 - 51:54)
flood.

[Speaker 4] (51:54 - 52:01)
And you can see the dark blue on the left of everybody Kingston Beach right on the Lynn border has the highest probability extending inland.

[Speaker 4] (52:01 - 52:04)
And then the focus of this project was around Fisherman's Beach,

[Speaker 4] (52:05 - 52:12)
which you can see there's a number of flood pathways that really go pretty deep into town past Puritan Road and Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 4] (52:12 - 52:15)
So even though it's a small sliver of coastline,

[Speaker 4] (52:15 - 52:20)
it's relatively low position means that if flooding happens it's a flood pathway that could affect

[Speaker 4] (52:20 - 52:23)
would affect a much broader area.

[Speaker 4] (52:24 - 52:32)
And in the report which is currently in its draft form and I know we've provided to select board as well as the committee working on it,

[Speaker 4] (52:32 - 52:39)
we go through and identify all of the town assets that are at risk of flooding with the probability that they would flood in a given year.

[Speaker 4] (52:40 - 52:42)
So just highlighted here the fish house,

[Speaker 4] (52:42 - 52:45)
the police station and the Humphrey Street pump station.

[Speaker 4] (52:46 - 52:52)
Um as the town-owned facilities kind of right in the centre of that fisherman's beach flood pathway.

[Speaker 4] (52:54 - 52:55)
Ah next slide.

[Speaker 4] (52:57 - 53:14)
Um, so as part of this project we also looked at um the compound risk of both coastal flooding, so that last one was looking at the coastal events, so think um coming in from the coast, waves, storm surge, things like that. Um but we also looked at what the risk was from extreme rainfall. Um

[Speaker 4] (53:16 - 53:18)
compound with the coastal risk.

[Speaker 4] (53:18 - 53:37)
So here is an example of one scenario we looked at where there's a relatively high tide but not one that would cause flooding on its own but if that were to occur when a large precipitation event happens in this case a 25-year return period event and you can see the areas of flood risk are similar.

[Speaker 4] (53:38 - 53:41)
What happens if there's a large storm event that comes in when there's high tide?

[Speaker 4] (53:41 - 53:43)
This whole area drains to the ocean,

[Speaker 4] (53:43 - 53:46)
so you have reduced capacity in your stormwater system.

[Speaker 4] (53:47 - 53:52)
So there's flood risk present just from the combination of high tide and rainfall and not being to drain out.

[Speaker 4] (53:54 - 53:57)
So just wanted to point out that this was also part of the analysis.

[Speaker 4] (53:57 - 54:04)
And then on the right there I've just showed with climate change what the expected risk is looking like to change for Swampscott.

[Speaker 4] (54:05 - 54:07)
You can see just the bar chart there.

[Speaker 4] (54:08 - 54:20)
how the hundred year storm or the one percent probability in a given year. And you can see from now until twenty seventy um a pretty large expected increase. Um so that's kind of the risk that we were looking at.

[Speaker 4] (54:22 - 54:22)
Um

[Speaker 5] (54:22 - 54:23)
Can I ask you

[Speaker 3] (54:24 - 54:24)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (54:24 - 54:25)
Can I ask you a question? So

[Speaker 4] (54:25 - 54:25)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (54:25 - 54:26)
just to have uh

[Speaker 6] (54:27 - 54:34)
A quick question, 'cause my understanding is this report this report was done to update the last report that we had, right?

[Speaker 4] (54:34 - 54:35)
Correct.

[Speaker 6] (54:35 - 54:51)
So we had that last report, now this is the update on this one. The last report it said that we were most most vulnerable in the Humphrey Street area by the police station and the um pumping station. And now is this report saying that we're most vulnerable uh at the fish house?

[Speaker 4] (54:52 - 54:58)
So the fish house is in that same zone.

[Speaker 4] (54:58 - 55:01)
We did drink everything from vulnerability.

[Speaker 4] (55:01 - 55:09)
I think the police station and the pump station were still the highest, but the fish house is a low point in the area that acts as a flood pathway.

[Speaker 6] (55:09 - 55:09)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (55:09 - 55:11)
So that's a critical one that we wanted to address as well.

[Speaker 6] (55:11 - 55:15)
And then what about over here, over to the left, because that's in dark blue,

[Speaker 6] (55:15 - 55:16)
the one that's blue.

[Speaker 3] (55:16 - 55:18)
Like on Phillips Park?

[Speaker 4] (55:19 - 55:25)
Yep, so that area had the highest probability of flooding under these future projections.

[Speaker 6] (55:25 - 55:28)
Right, so this is what's confusing me is the is this a change?

[Speaker 2] (55:29 - 55:32)
That's King's Beach and going into Linn I think, right?

[Speaker 2] (55:32 - 55:33)
Yeah. On the left.

[Speaker 6] (55:33 - 55:33)
It says

[Speaker 4] (55:33 - 55:33)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (55:33 - 55:35)
Rose got right there, so yeah, I just don't

[Speaker 4] (55:35 - 55:36)
That's Pearl Street around.

[Speaker 6] (55:37 - 55:48)
Not sure what that is there. I think I'm just trying to get clarity on the difference in the reports from the first report to this report. Is it is it a different situation now or is it is

[Speaker 4] (55:48 - 55:49)
Yeah so

[Speaker 6] (55:49 - 55:49)
it the

[Speaker 4] (55:49 - 56:01)
so we we relied on updated modeling completed by Woods Hole Group and in that left area by King's Beach there was an expansion in the area that is looking like it could be prone to flooding in the future.

[Speaker 4] (56:01 - 56:15)
Um so we've we've added in assets over there and um cataloged streets at risk of flooding and their probability in the report um so those are new additions um that's correct.

[Speaker 4] (56:16 - 56:25)
Um when we looked at flood mitigation we focused on fishermen's speech because that was the scope of the project um but there that's correct.

[Speaker 4] (56:26 - 56:28)
Those other areas are at risk too.

[Speaker 6] (56:29 - 56:44)
Right, I guess I guess my understanding for the meetings were the scope of the project was to update our and update our vulnerability study. I didn't I I didn't walk away thinking it was fishermen's beach. I thought it was the entire the the previous to update the previous study.

[Speaker 1] (56:45 - 56:46)
Yeah, no you're right. The

[Speaker 1] (56:46 - 56:51)
The vulnerability and the extent of flooding was updated for the entire coastline

[Speaker 3] (56:51 - 56:51)
of Mm-hmm,

[Speaker 1] (56:51 - 56:52)
the town,

[Speaker 3] (56:52 - 56:52)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (56:52 - 57:02)
but the mitigation aspect and like the alternatives analysis was focused specifically on fisherman's beach. That was deemed to be the, not by us, by the town, that was deemed to be the highest priority segment to look at first.

[Speaker 1] (57:04 - 57:12)
It actually has like quite a lot of assets, town-owned assets, you know critical facilities inside that that zone. So it made sense to

[Speaker 6] (57:12 - 57:12)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (57:12 - 57:12)
us to

[Speaker 6] (57:12 - 57:19)
but would it would it be fair to say that the most critical asset that we have would be the pump station? If we lose that pump station what happens to the town?

[Speaker 4] (57:22 - 57:22)
We have no way to

[Speaker 2] (57:23 - 57:23)
I know.

[Speaker 4] (57:24 - 57:24)
Exactly.

[Speaker 6] (57:24 - 57:25)
There is

[Speaker 2] (57:25 - 57:25)
Is it

[Speaker 4] (57:26 - 57:26)
You have

[Speaker 3] (57:26 - 57:26)
Yeah,

[Speaker 4] (57:26 - 57:26)
no way

[Speaker 3] (57:26 - 57:29)
but if you look I guess if you look at this go ahead.

[Speaker 2] (57:30 - 57:38)
Is, what I've gathered from this, is the entry points for the uh coastal flooding are along Fisherman's Beach,

[Speaker 2] (57:38 - 57:39)
Eiseman's Beach,

[Speaker 2] (57:39 - 57:40)
Whale's Beach, that whole

[Speaker 1] (57:40 - 57:40)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (57:40 - 57:46)
area is the entry point for the flooding that would through elevation change and rainfall met

[Speaker 2] (57:47 - 57:50)
you know sync to the darker blue areas that are inland, is that correct?

[Speaker 1] (57:50 - 58:02)
Yeah, there's let there's a sh small number of finite entry points, and then they'll basically flood a large inland area. So kind of the point of this is to try to protect those vulnerable points of entry, right? So

[Speaker 3] (58:02 - 58:06)
So you mitigate the pathways in order to prevent flooding across the whole area.

[Speaker 3] (58:06 - 58:07)
Is that what you're trying to say?

[Speaker 6] (58:12 - 58:17)
Well, yeah, I was gonna I'm gonna tell you right now my biggest worry is the pump station.

[Speaker 4] (58:17 - 58:17)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (58:17 - 58:20)
You know, I understand, you know, well the whole area.

[Speaker 4] (58:21 - 58:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (58:21 - 58:31)
I'm a little familiar with the area, so the whole area has me concerned, but that pump station and where are we most if you said where are we most vulnerable, we're vulnerable right there.

[Speaker 4] (58:31 - 58:31)
Great.

[Speaker 6] (58:31 - 58:32)
Correct

[Speaker 4] (58:32 - 58:32)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (58:32 - 58:34)
me if that's... I'm wrong because if we lose that pump station

[Speaker 2] (58:35 - 58:36)
We lost it in 2011.

[Speaker 6] (58:37 - 58:38)
Mm

[Speaker 2] (58:38 - 58:38)
Flooded

[Speaker 6] (58:38 - 58:38)
-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (58:38 - 58:38)
it in 2011.

[Speaker 6] (58:38 - 58:39)
Right.

[Speaker 2] (58:39 - 58:39)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (58:41 - 58:41)
Great and

[Speaker 6] (58:41 - 58:41)
Oh.

[Speaker 4] (58:41 - 58:49)
the the flood pathways we're trying to address as well alternatives assessment looks at cutting off flooding to that area where the pump station is.

[Speaker 6] (58:50 - 58:51)
Alright.

[Speaker 1] (58:51 - 58:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (58:51 - 58:55)
Yeah, I th at the end of your presentation you've got the modelling for the proposed solutions, right,

[Speaker 4] (58:55 - 58:56)
We

[Speaker 2] (58:56 - 58:56)
that

[Speaker 4] (58:56 - 58:56)
do yeah.

[Speaker 2] (58:56 - 58:57)
take away that

[Speaker 6] (58:57 - 58:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (58:57 - 58:58)
flooding risk.

[Speaker 4] (58:58 - 58:58)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (58:58 - 58:59)
Projected.

[Speaker 2] (58:59 - 59:00)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (59:00 - 59:01)
Great yeah, I think that's will help.

[Speaker 3] (59:02 - 59:03)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (59:04 - 59:06)
Um, let's move on to the next slide.

[Speaker 4] (59:07 - 59:29)
Um so we we assessed a large range of alternatives looking at cutting out these flood pathways particularly for fisherman speech. Um we looked at um a range of criteria in assessing those to try to come up with an objective way to cut some and move others to the top. Um we worked with the committee that Dave mentioned representing various committees in town in order to come up with um

[Speaker 4] (59:30 - 59:34)
what we had prioritized and we have the full list of criteria here.

[Speaker 1] (59:55 - 59:59)
And those scores were used to rank the alternatives we'll talk about.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:00 - 1:00:03)
So if we move on, we can dive into what those were that we looked at.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:04 - 1:00:11)
So we broke the coastline into three segments based on kind of distinct attributes of each one.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:12 - 1:00:21)
So on the far left we have the fishermen's beach parking lot area which is relatively low-lying and potential flood pathway owned by the town.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:21 - 1:00:23)
To the right we have the Puritan Road area.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:24 - 1:00:28)
We separated this one out because it's a little distinct because it's mostly privately owned.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:29 - 1:00:31)
It's currently protected by private seawalls.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:31 - 1:00:32)
And then lastly,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:32 - 1:00:35)
we looked at the fish house as its own alternative,

[Speaker 1] (1:00:36 - 1:00:44)
just because there are a lot of historic considerations with it being a nationally listed property right in the mix of the flood zone.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:45 - 1:00:56)
And then lastly we had a few other alternatives we looked at that were kind of beyond those that included a living breakwater in the harbor itself as well as other solutions like tide gates and stormwater pump stations.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:58 - 1:01:00)
So if we move to the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:00 - 1:01:04)
After our initial analysis using the criteria we discussed,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:04 - 1:01:08)
we did a high level analysis and we cut some right off the bat.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:09 - 1:01:13)
So these included elevating Humphrey Street and Puritan Road.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:13 - 1:01:21)
We found that these just weren't feasible because of the elevation you would need to get to connecting driveways. It just wasn't really a possibility.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:23 - 1:01:33)
and we eliminated the living breakwater just due to high costs and it wasn't the most effective solution to provide flood protection for the coastline.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:34 - 1:01:36)
So what that left us with,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:36 - 1:01:42)
we looked at within the parking lot area elevating the parking lot itself.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:43 - 1:01:50)
or doing strategic retreats or removing the parking lot and replacing it with something more like a dune, a nature-based solution,

[Speaker 1] (1:01:50 - 1:01:52)
something that could protect the habitat.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:53 - 1:02:11)
On Puritan Road we looked at the possibility of augmenting or raising those existing seawalls that are already there to provide a cohesive barrier to flooding and we also looked at building up the beach in front of the barriers and again making a dune so a more nature-based solution.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:12 - 1:02:15)
And then lastly at the fish house we looked at floodproofing the fish house,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:15 - 1:02:16)
raising it,

[Speaker 1] (1:02:16 - 1:02:20)
relocating it, or fully replacing it.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:20 - 1:02:22)
And we'll get more into that later.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:22 - 1:02:26)
And for all of these we are looking at a design flood elevation of 13 feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:27 - 1:02:29)
So that's 13 feet above sea level.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:29 - 1:02:33)
For reference the ground elevation there is about 10 feet.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:33 - 1:02:38)
So this is about think right at the fish house just everything would be three feet above the existing ground.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:38 - 1:02:38)
ground level.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:39 - 1:02:46)
That's kind of what you need to protect to to make sure that these storms we were looking at wouldn't wouldn't flood beyond the coastline.

[Speaker 3] (1:02:47 - 1:02:49)
What's the reason to design to 13 feet?

[Speaker 3] (1:02:49 - 1:02:52)
Is there a statutory or is that best practice or what's

[Speaker 1] (1:02:52 - 1:02:52)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:02:52 - 1:02:52)
the reason?

[Speaker 1] (1:02:52 - 1:03:03)
we used the resilient mass action teams guidance which is from EEA and their recommendation for this type of flooding was to look at the 2050

[Speaker 1] (1:03:04 - 1:03:08)
zero point two probability storm event. Um so zero point two chance that happens

[Speaker 3] (1:03:08 - 1:03:09)
So it chance

[Speaker 1] (1:03:09 - 1:03:09)
in a given

[Speaker 3] (1:03:09 - 1:03:09)
it could happen.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:09 - 1:03:09)
year.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:09 - 1:03:09)
So it could happen.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:10 - 1:03:15)
And in twenty fifty with sea level rise uh so a fairly conservative estimate.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:15 - 1:03:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:16 - 1:03:18)
Um so that projected elevation,

[Speaker 3] (1:03:18 - 1:03:18)
If

[Speaker 1] (1:03:18 - 1:03:20)
the peak one for the coastline, that was thirteen feet.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:20 - 1:03:21)
feet. Okay, thanks.

[Speaker 4] (1:03:21 - 1:03:21)
Thanks.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:21 - 1:03:25)
You said that the current um elevation of the parking lot is what?

[Speaker 1] (1:03:26 - 1:03:26)
Uh ten

[Speaker 4] (1:03:26 - 1:03:26)
Ten.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:26 - 1:03:26)
feet.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:27 - 1:03:28)
Okay so if there is

[Speaker 5] (1:03:29 - 1:03:32)
There is a barricade around the parking lot, right? There's Jersey

[Speaker 3] (1:03:32 - 1:03:33)
barriers. Jersey barriers.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:34 - 1:03:34)
That's not

[Speaker 3] (1:03:34 - 1:03:35)
But there are

[Speaker 5] (1:03:35 - 1:03:35)
effective

[Speaker 3] (1:03:35 - 1:03:36)
Jersey barriers.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:36 - 1:03:39)
enough? You have to like I mean it's not a barrier, but it's barrier-ing.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:39 - 1:03:44)
Yeah. So so we one of the options was looking at replacing it with a more permanent sea wall.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:45 - 1:03:45)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:45 - 1:03:48)
Um and it has to be built to be able to withstand wave action, so

[Speaker 5] (1:03:48 - 1:03:48)
Yep,

[Speaker 1] (1:03:48 - 1:03:48)
it has

[Speaker 5] (1:03:48 - 1:03:49)
so you

[Speaker 1] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
to be

[Speaker 5] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
need something

[Speaker 1] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
fast,

[Speaker 5] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
behind

[Speaker 1] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
but you shouldn't

[Speaker 5] (1:03:49 - 1:03:49)
it.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:49 - 1:03:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:03:50 - 1:03:51)
Got it.

[Speaker 3] (1:03:51 - 1:03:56)
But when we talk about the going back to the thirteen foot question, when you're talking about storms and wave driven storms, you can get

[Speaker 3] (1:03:55 - 1:04:08)
didn't get significantly above that. What is is it for some you know I is thirteen feet really enough or is that just the mean sea level rise that you're worried about as opposed to impact of wind-blown storms?

[Speaker 1] (1:04:09 - 1:04:17)
So, hurricanes. Those are no it's looking at the um an A_B_ brand I can speak to this one because it did the work, but

[Speaker 3] (1:04:17 - 1:04:26)
Hey. Um yeah, thanks. Um yeah, my name's Brandon Raymond. I'm a coastal engineer with Woods Hole Group. Thank you very much for having me, and thank you Client Felder for including us on this important project.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:26 - 1:04:32)
Um to answer your question about the thirteen feet, what that represents is what we call still water elevation.

[Speaker 6] (1:04:32 - 1:04:32)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:32 - 1:04:51)
So this is the combination of tides and storm surge, wind-driven storm surge. Uh what it does not include is the influence of wave run-up upon to a beach or something that might be over-topping a sea wall or something like that, which is tends to be something that handle is either if you're not protecting against it, you're usually accounting for it in drainage of catchment.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:51 - 1:04:53)
manufacturing and things like that. But

[Speaker 1] (1:04:53 - 1:04:53)
Hmm.

[Speaker 3] (1:04:53 - 1:05:03)
ultimately that's uh the f twenty fifty point zero no point two percent rather. Basically the five what we call the five hundred year event.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:02 - 1:05:09)
It's uh what it's it by twenty fifty. So that's including sea level rise and then of course the statistical analysis to get us that

[Speaker 1] (1:05:09 - 1:05:09)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:05:09 - 1:05:09)
so low.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:09 - 1:05:15)
the term still water is a little counter uh intuitive. Still water and the s yeah, I guess you're right,

[Speaker 5] (1:05:15 - 1:05:16)
Yeah, so it's kind of key to it.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:16 - 1:05:22)
Yeah, oh, that's why I was asking the question, cause I was a little confused when I saw that I when I saw the word still water, I thought it was

[Speaker 3] (1:05:22 - 1:05:24)
What it really means is it's

[Speaker 1] (1:05:24 - 1:05:24)
It's inclusive.

[Speaker 3] (1:05:24 - 1:05:41)
the so it's the influence of tides, wind-driven storm surge, and then also um what we call wave setup. So every anytime waves are breaking at the shoreline, that turbulence actually raises up the water level just to there. And so when you add all that up together you get a still water elevation at the shoreline. Great, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:50 - 1:05:54)
Any more questions on this one, before we dive into these areas?

[Speaker 3] (1:05:56 - 1:06:03)
I just I I did wanna go back just uh back to the page where you had the analysis piece of this. Where where did the weighting come from?

[Speaker 1] (1:06:04 - 1:06:21)
Um we did a workshop with uh the representatives from the town on the committee that Dave mentioned, um where we provided that these were the criteria that we were planning to look at, um and we worked with them to develop if we were missing any and then they went through and weighted um their priority for those.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:21 - 1:06:21)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:21 - 1:06:27)
So none of this was was our thoughts, it was um reflects what the town thinks.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:30 - 1:06:31)
Does this match?

[Speaker 3] (1:06:32 - 1:06:36)
Plus or minus what you see other communities doing in terms of weighting like efficacy,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:37 - 1:06:38)
social acceptance,

[Speaker 3] (1:06:38 - 1:06:40)
and capital costs are those that most communities kind of rate highest?

[Speaker 1] (1:06:41 - 1:06:41)
Definitely,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:42 - 1:06:42)
yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:06:42 - 1:06:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:42 - 1:06:44)
I mean effectiveness,

[Speaker 1] (1:06:44 - 1:06:47)
efficacy is we want that solution that's going to be effective.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:48 - 1:06:51)
So definitely agree that that should be the top one.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:55 - 1:06:57)
I think we can move on to the next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:06:59 - 1:07:05)
Um so the first area is the Humphrey Street and Fish House parking lot. I think John was going to take this one.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:06 - 1:07:07)
Um

[Speaker 7] (1:07:07 - 1:07:08)
Yes, can you guys hear me now?

[Speaker 5] (1:07:08 - 1:07:09)
We can.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
We can.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)
Alright.

[Speaker 5] (1:07:10 - 1:07:11)
Are you

[Speaker 7] (1:07:11 - 1:07:11)
All

[Speaker 5] (1:07:11 - 1:07:11)
John?

[Speaker 7] (1:07:11 - 1:07:12)
right we're good?

[Speaker 7] (1:07:12 - 1:07:12)
All right.

[Speaker 3] (1:07:12 - 1:07:12)
Welcome, John.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:12 - 1:07:34)
Well thank you everyone. Sorry for the technical to the to using not being able to be there. But John McAllister, McAllister Marine Engineering, can work with the team on this uh specifically looking at the parking lot here. Um what we looked at once we got into this analysis, really four separate options as you can see on the slide. Um one and three kind of go together where it is um

[Speaker 7] (1:07:35 - 1:07:53)
Essentially augmenting what's there for existing infrastructure by raising a permanent seawall that's designed to be probably reinforced concrete but it's designed to resist wave action and hydrostatic pressures that would be forced from additional water rising.

[Speaker 7] (1:07:54 - 1:07:57)
On the option one you have that

[Speaker 7] (1:07:57 - 1:08:02)
Along the front side, the beach or on the south side of the parking lot if you will,

[Speaker 7] (1:08:02 - 1:08:12)
and because we want to maintain access you kind of have to design for the norm and for the storm you would have to augment the three openings for the boat ramp,

[Speaker 7] (1:08:12 - 1:08:21)
the stairs down and the other access all the way to the west you have to augment that seawall with deployable barriers.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:23 - 1:08:29)
Important to note the parking lot isn't perfectly flat elevation,

[Speaker 7] (1:08:29 - 1:08:41)
does range its lowest in the east by the fish house where it's about 9.8 and actually rises up to about 11.2 all the way to the west in the Chisholm Park which is over

[Speaker 7] (1:08:41 - 1:08:45)
And to the park just the west of the facility is actually above elevation 13,

[Speaker 7] (1:08:45 - 1:08:50)
so we don't have to do any interventions there. That's actually a natural barrier that we can build off of and we can connect into that.

[Speaker 7] (1:08:51 - 1:08:57)
So I'm going to skip to option three, to similar strategies to what option one was,

[Speaker 7] (1:08:57 - 1:09:00)
except it'd be on the backside or the north side of the parking lot.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:00 - 1:09:06)
And what's attractive about that is there's already a little curbing, little wall there,

[Speaker 7] (1:09:06 - 1:09:08)
we just have to be brought up about.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:08 - 1:09:10)
two to three feet higher.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:10 - 1:09:11)
It could be made nice.

[Speaker 7] (1:09:11 - 1:09:29)
You could you know you'd have to be reinforced concrete again to withstand the hydrostatic pressures but you could do some stamped stones on it make it look aesthetically pleasing and then you only have two two areas that to close up on just the entrance into the into the parking lot in the exit those areas we just need to be deployed

[Speaker 1] (1:09:37 - 1:09:45)
seal it off and then once the storm has passed and water's receded you can take that down and stuff can go back to normal operation.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:47 - 1:09:49)
Then the other two options we looked at

[Speaker 1] (1:09:49 - 1:09:56)
on option two and four and those both involves raising the grades within the parking lot itself so number two

[Speaker 1] (1:09:58 - 1:10:00)
It's raising and keeping it as a parking structure,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:00 - 1:10:04)
parking area I should say, but bringing it up to elevation 13.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:04 - 1:10:06)
Now in order to do that with grading,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:06 - 1:10:07)
you kind of have to peak it in the middle,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:08 - 1:10:12)
just right down the center of the parking lot up to elevation 13,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:12 - 1:10:18)
grade it back down to Humphrey Street and grade it back down on the other side to the beach.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:19 - 1:10:21)
Difficulty for that is for the boat launch.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:22 - 1:10:30)
If you're coming off of Humphrey Street at around 9.5-10 up to 13 and then back down towards your boat,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:30 - 1:10:35)
for a high clearance vehicle it's not an issue,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:35 - 1:10:38)
but when you're towing with a trailer you have that pinch point on the trailer,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:39 - 1:10:44)
it could cause some issues especially because you have to come in and back down towards the boat.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:44 - 1:10:46)
So there is some challenges associated with that.

[Speaker 1] (1:10:47 - 1:10:54)
And the other issue is you're relying on the fish house to provide some of that,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:55 - 1:10:56)
the connection to the fish house, I'm sorry,

[Speaker 1] (1:10:56 - 1:11:00)
to provide some of that continuous wall at the elevation 13.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:00 - 1:11:09)
So by going up to elevation 13 in the middle, you essentially would be losing a couple of lockers most likely or some other impacts on the fish house. But again,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:09 - 1:11:12)
I think Seth and his team are going to talk about that a little further on.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:12 - 1:11:14)
But this is one option to point out.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:14 - 1:11:20)
And then option four that we looked at is similar things that instead of going to the parking lot,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:20 - 1:11:26)
be removing the whole infrastructure of parking and going with a nature-based solution which would be a dune.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:26 - 1:11:30)
So you can take that out, you build it up with sand,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:30 - 1:11:31)
dredge out some sand,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:31 - 1:11:34)
place it on the shore,

[Speaker 1] (1:11:35 - 1:11:37)
seed it, you'd have a more natural reinforced.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:39 - 1:11:53)
area would be incentive pleasing we still have the issue of connection over at the fish house and there's a lot of maintenance associated with that especially early on we're trying to get it established if you go to the next slide please so

[Speaker 1] (1:11:56 - 1:12:02)
as we mentioned we kind of looked at the different impacts what factors would and would

[Speaker 1] (1:12:03 - 1:12:06)
Does that give us the best desired outcome for what we're looking at?

[Speaker 1] (1:12:06 - 1:12:09)
No option is cheap.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:09 - 1:12:11)
No option is bulletproof.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:11 - 1:12:12)
You know, there's challenges,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:12 - 1:12:14)
there's drawbacks, and there's positives for each one.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:15 - 1:12:21)
But what we ended up going with, based on these cost estimates, you know, in today's dollars,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:21 - 1:12:28)
obviously things are very variable lately and, you know, planning forward you have to put in a good...

[Speaker 1] (1:12:28 - 1:12:30)
You can see that they're on any budgetary figures,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:30 - 1:12:32)
but in today's dollars,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:32 - 1:12:33)
that's what we're looking at.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:33 - 1:12:37)
But what we think is the most effective is actually, unfortunately,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:37 - 1:12:38)
the most expensive,

[Speaker 1] (1:12:38 - 1:12:49)
which would be that flood barrier along the back end along Humphrey Street on the north side of the parking lot because it has minimal impact on circulation.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:52 - 1:12:57)
It won't really affect use in the parking area because it's only about a two and a half, three foot wall.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:58 - 1:13:04)
And it doesn't affect activities and operation of the fish house because it just ties in naturally with it.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:05 - 1:13:08)
So that's what I'm looking for.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:08 - 1:13:09)
So if we go to the next one,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:09 - 1:13:11)
it's actually a better visualization of it.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:11 - 1:13:12)
The next slide.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:12 - 1:13:19)
Yeah, so this blue line here you can see would be that that solid wall that would be put in

[Speaker 1] (1:13:20 - 1:13:23)
between the sidewalk and the parking area,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:23 - 1:13:25)
raised up to elevation 13,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:25 - 1:13:27)
be two to three foot high,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:27 - 1:13:30)
we'd have to reinforce the foundation,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:30 - 1:13:31)
be a little bit of excavation work,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:32 - 1:13:40)
and those red area lines which would be the areas of deployable barriers which would be tied in in advance of a storm when they're announced.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:40 - 1:13:45)
So you would lose, you know, a day before most likely each storm you'd lose access to the beach.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:45 - 1:13:50)
But no one's really going there because East Door events are public safety issues,

[Speaker 1] (1:13:50 - 1:14:02)
so you don't want to block that off anyways, but you'd lose those two access points and then they'd be taken down and you could go back to normal operations putting on a permanent infrastructure would be the best way to learn to develop.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:03 - 1:14:03)
Uh

[Speaker 2] (1:14:03 - 1:14:03)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:14:03 - 1:14:04)
-huh. So

[Speaker 2] (1:14:04 - 1:14:04)
these deployable

[Speaker 1] (1:14:04 - 1:14:05)
that's what we have.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:05 - 1:14:06)
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:06 - 1:14:12)
flood barriers are like what you would see like at the mouth of Winthrop or something.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:12 - 1:14:18)
They're like big heavy metal gates that come out. Is that what we're talking about?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:19 - 1:14:20)
There's multiple options.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:20 - 1:14:20)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:20 - 1:14:23)
So there are some that fold up.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:23 - 1:14:26)
There are some that are just actually sandbags almost,

[Speaker 1] (1:14:26 - 1:14:27)
like reinforced.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:27 - 1:14:28)
You just fill them up with sand.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:29 - 1:14:34)
um and there's multiple options that you could put at uh and What review kind

[Speaker 2] (1:14:34 - 1:14:35)
option did you quote and for

[Speaker 1] (1:14:35 - 1:14:35)
analysis

[Speaker 2] (1:14:35 - 1:14:36)
costs?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:36 - 1:14:37)
which

[Speaker 1] (1:14:38 - 1:14:44)
i actually took uh we got three quotes and we just used the the average cost to

[Speaker 2] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
the different ones

[Speaker 2] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
what

[Speaker 1] (1:14:44 - 1:14:44)
we

[Speaker 2] (1:14:44 - 1:14:45)
was

[Speaker 1] (1:14:45 - 1:14:45)
got three

[Speaker 2] (1:14:45 - 1:14:45)
the different option?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:45 - 1:14:46)
three different technologies

[Speaker 2] (1:14:46 - 1:14:49)
Which solution did you quote? Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:50 - 1:14:54)
uh i so i quoted the sandbag option and uh um

[Speaker 1] (1:14:55 - 1:14:56)
I don't know what you call them, the container

[Speaker 3] (1:14:56 - 1:14:57)
What barriers?

[Speaker 1] (1:14:57 - 1:14:57)
ones.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:59 - 1:15:05)
The ones that pop up, the hydrostatic ones that, they're like the basic. It pops up like this, if you can see me, and the water

[Speaker 2] (1:15:05 - 1:15:06)
Oh, they

[Speaker 1] (1:15:06 - 1:15:06)
reinforces

[Speaker 2] (1:15:06 - 1:15:06)
like they're flush

[Speaker 1] (1:15:06 - 1:15:06)
it.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:06 - 1:15:08)
with the ground and then they pop up, correct?

[Speaker 2] (1:15:09 - 1:15:09)
Is that right?

[Speaker 4] (1:15:11 - 1:15:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:11 - 1:15:14)
Yeah, that's like a that's not a deployable one,

[Speaker 1] (1:15:14 - 1:15:24)
but it's the same idea They still they sit flat like this for storage so they can be stored on a pallet and they put them out there and they just go they open up like this But yeah, they're not lifted in place primarily like that

[Speaker 2] (1:15:25 - 1:15:26)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:27 - 1:15:30)
When we're looking at the choice here,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:30 - 1:15:30)
right,

[Speaker 4] (1:15:30 - 1:15:34)
because the one on Humphrey Street is several feet higher on average.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:35 - 1:15:48)
Right from the lowest position of like nine and a half feet or roughly. So we will talk abo I'm gonna go uh going back to, you know, the original con question I had before, which was the thirteen foot which encounters storms wave driven action and so on.

[Speaker 4] (1:15:49 - 1:15:52)
What d is the by twenty s fifty and twenty seventy the expected

[Speaker 4] (1:15:54 - 1:15:58)
king tide sea level-rise. Where are we

[Speaker 4] (1:15:59 - 1:16:11)
In at the point of a daily King tides and I know not every day, but at you know at the highest of high tides where are we at a regular flooding risk issue that does not account for storms?

[Speaker 4] (1:16:12 - 1:16:13)
How high?

[Speaker 1] (1:16:13 - 1:16:15)
I'll defer to Brandon on that.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:15 - 1:16:16)
Brandon, you want off the top of your head?

[Speaker 5] (1:16:17 - 1:16:18)
At the top of my head, no,

[Speaker 5] (1:16:18 - 1:16:20)
but I mean, we're talking about.

[Speaker 5] (1:16:23 - 1:16:33)
I mean, so we're comparing uh what a five hundred year storm to a to a high tide. So I I don't have those numbers off the top of my head, but I imagine there's quite a difference.

[Speaker 4] (1:16:33 - 1:16:40)
Ri the reason I was asking is that one is a response to an incoming storm or something that is

[Speaker 4] (1:16:41 - 1:17:05)
projected or expected. The other scenario is something that happens on a regular daily basis, weekly, monthly basis, something that you d you kind of want a permanent structure there. So that's why I was asking the difference of why wouldn't you put it down at the beach as opposed to up higher. I mean it kind of sets the table for all of the solutions we're looking at.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:05 - 1:17:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:06 - 1:17:07)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:07 - 1:17:25)
Well, so we'll certain I'm sorry. I have just one more question uh thing about so the that point two percent annual exceedance probability, the five hundred year storm is basically saying any given year that water would be met or exceeded point has a point two percent chance of occurring.

[Speaker 4] (1:17:25 - 1:17:25)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (1:17:25 - 1:17:32)
So really, what we're talking about is, you know, how frequently our is that flooding going to be occurring. So the the

[Speaker 5] (1:17:33 - 1:17:45)
king tide, if you will, is going to be obviously almost greater tha it's a it's a one hundred percent certainty that it's going to occur any given year. So that's that's the kind of the measure of the difference between elevations.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:45 - 1:17:47)
Wait, to say it another way then

[Speaker 4] (1:17:47 - 1:17:47)
Uh

[Speaker 2] (1:17:47 - 1:17:57)
we are planning for ninety eight point eight ninety nine point eight percent of water with point two percent is what y like

[Speaker 2] (1:17:58 - 1:18:06)
We are niny like ninety nine point eight percent of the time will be fine, and it's only the point two percent that we are planning for right now.

[Speaker 4] (1:18:06 - 1:18:06)
Correct.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:07 - 1:18:07)
Because I it's like

[Speaker 1] (1:18:07 - 1:18:08)
It's like Elevation

[Speaker 2] (1:18:08 - 1:18:08)
and

[Speaker 1] (1:18:08 - 1:18:10)
thirteen though. So

[Speaker 2] (1:18:10 - 1:18:10)
So like

[Speaker 1] (1:18:10 - 1:18:11)
I

[Speaker 4] (1:18:11 - 1:18:11)
But

[Speaker 1] (1:18:11 - 1:18:12)
mean there's

[Speaker 4] (1:18:12 - 1:18:14)
I think to Wayne's point, um

[Speaker 6] (1:18:14 - 1:18:20)
W we did check just the normal tide range that's expected with sea-level rise and there is no sunny day flooding expected.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:22 - 1:18:23)
Let let me put this a I

[Speaker 6] (1:18:23 - 1:18:23)
Sunny day

[Speaker 5] (1:18:23 - 1:18:24)
I

[Speaker 6] (1:18:24 - 1:18:24)
flooding

[Speaker 5] (1:18:24 - 1:18:24)
put John

[Speaker 6] (1:18:24 - 1:18:28)
was the word I was that I was trying to think of, yes. But that was that was what I was asking the question, sunny day flooding.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:28 - 1:18:32)
John, you are very well aware and familiar with our harbour and kind of the tide cycle.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:33 - 1:18:34)
So to

[Speaker 6] (1:18:34 - 1:18:34)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:34 - 1:18:39)
uh Wayne's point, we get a bad flood, we get a bad southwesterly.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:39 - 1:18:41)
I know you've seen the photos of kind of what happens.

[Speaker 5] (1:18:42 - 1:18:54)
Does this projected solution without those deployable flood barriers put in place but the fixed structural ones help remedy that damage?

[Speaker 1] (1:18:56 - 1:18:59)
So you have to look at it as a total solution. I think that's what we're going to get to later.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:00 - 1:19:01)
Well, if there's one weak point,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:01 - 1:19:05)
if there's one area where water can get in, because water is going to find its easiest path.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:05 - 1:19:10)
So if there's one area in this whole connected part that is lower,

[Speaker 1] (1:19:12 - 1:19:18)
whatever you do, it's not going to stop it. So you have to kind of have a whole line of defense and you go from elevation 13 to elevation 13.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:19 - 1:19:24)
And I think they'll show that a little bit later on of why there are several pathways in that you have to address each.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:28 - 1:19:34)
it can go around and get in there very easily and you'll still have it on the back end. It'll come and pull it around from the back end.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:36 - 1:19:36)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:36 - 1:19:38)
Can you go back one slide?

[Speaker 3] (1:19:40 - 1:19:44)
Alright, so the recommended solution is in red,

[Speaker 3] (1:19:44 - 1:19:44)
right?

[Speaker 1] (1:19:46 - 1:19:46)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:19:46 - 1:20:01)
The the first solution basically is similar right in terms of benefits and drawbacks challenges and it's about a hundred thousand dollars cheaper so why why this solution why is this a better option

[Speaker 1] (1:20:03 - 1:20:07)
Because that one has a lot more of a maintenance burden on it,

[Speaker 1] (1:20:07 - 1:20:08)
the front edge one.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:10 - 1:20:24)
So it's going to be a lot more work to get it installed because if you're working on the back end it's easier to picture you're putting in these deployable barriers because you have to have like a seal along the bottom. It's easier to seal on asphalt than it is on a beach.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:25 - 1:20:25)
Okay, So but we'd the have

[Speaker 3] (1:20:25 - 1:20:26)
first

[Speaker 1] (1:20:26 - 1:20:26)
to make

[Speaker 3] (1:20:26 - 1:20:26)
one

[Speaker 1] (1:20:26 - 1:20:26)
those in it.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:27 - 1:20:33)
The one that says raised seawall along beach edge doesn't list anything in drawback challenge in terms of

[Speaker 3] (1:20:34 - 1:20:42)
O and M or anything like that. So that's why I'm asking. It has the exact same drawbacks and challenges and benefits as the highest scoring solution.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:43 - 1:20:44)
Do you see what I'm saying?

[Speaker 4] (1:20:45 - 1:20:45)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:20:45 - 1:20:45)
Yes,

[Speaker 4] (1:20:45 - 1:20:45)
want to charge.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:45 - 1:20:45)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:46 - 1:20:54)
So I'm just trying to find out if there's a hundred thousand dollar difference there why why that more expensive solution is the recommended. Do you know, do you know

[Speaker 5] (1:20:54 - 1:20:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:20:54 - 1:20:56)
what I'm getting at? See my point there?

[Speaker 1] (1:20:58 - 1:20:58)
Comes down to the

[Speaker 3] (1:20:58 - 1:20:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:20:58 - 1:20:58)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:20:58 - 1:20:58)
money,

[Speaker 6] (1:20:58 - 1:20:59)
it's just an example.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:59 - 1:20:59)
but like

[Speaker 3] (1:20:59 - 1:21:00)
you gotta consider the drawback for an exact same.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:00 - 1:21:01)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:01 - 1:21:05)
Naming it different is estimating cost and alternative it's just not detailed enough.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:05 - 1:21:10)
Yeah, it's just uh maybe some upkeep is also the uh drawback and challenge should be listed there.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:10 - 1:21:11)
It's right.

[Speaker 6] (1:21:11 - 1:21:11)
The continuing

[Speaker 1] (1:21:11 - 1:21:11)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (1:21:11 - 1:21:12)
But,

[Speaker 6] (1:21:12 - 1:21:12)
cost.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:12 - 1:21:12)
but

[Speaker 1] (1:21:12 - 1:21:13)
I mean, but like a life

[Speaker 3] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
it looks

[Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
cycle

[Speaker 3] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
like

[Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
cost

[Speaker 3] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
a T

[Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
on

[Speaker 3] (1:21:13 - 1:21:13)
-1,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:13 - 1:21:14)
it, so yes. it would be minor.

[Speaker 3] (1:21:14 - 1:21:16)
right? Except for a hundred thousand dollars, definitely different.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:16 - 1:21:23)
John, is it fair to say that the reason why that wasn't pursued is because the ongoing maintenance of that requires more work and more capital?

[Speaker 7] (1:21:23 - 1:21:25)
expense to maintain that for

[Speaker 1] (1:21:25 - 1:21:25)
Yes,

[Speaker 7] (1:21:25 - 1:21:26)
the same

[Speaker 6] (1:21:26 - 1:21:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:26 - 1:21:26)
absolutely.

[Speaker 7] (1:21:26 - 1:21:27)
-ish benefit.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:29 - 1:21:29)
Well,

[Speaker 7] (1:21:29 - 1:21:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:29 - 1:21:34)
because if you guys can, if you look at the winter profile of the beach versus the summer profile,

[Speaker 1] (1:21:34 - 1:21:37)
you notice that there's a lot more of the beach exposed.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:39 - 1:21:54)
during the low season when the sand washes out so if you have a storm coming when that sand's out there you have to adapt how you're how you're timing those three points so it's a little bit more of a challenge to deploy to maintain it so that's absolutely right that there is a longer term life cycle cost for it

[Speaker 6] (1:21:55 - 1:22:05)
I have to assume there's a similar life cycle cost to the dune replacement, 'cause like there's a lot of upkeep related to well first we have to create the dune and then we have to make sure there's enough sand for it to be effective,

[Speaker 3] (1:22:05 - 1:22:05)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:05 - 1:22:07)
right? So there is an upkeep involved.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:10 - 1:22:11)
Yes, but they are natural.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:11 - 1:22:15)
It is like the first maybe ten years are going to be the most intensive,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:15 - 1:22:19)
but once the dune is established outside of a major storm event,

[Speaker 1] (1:22:19 - 1:22:20)
these dunes are pretty resilient.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:24 - 1:22:47)
So the as you're showing this relative to the fish house which is a separate part of the presentation right by stopping the flooding at the beach side though don't you do a better job of protect protecting the rest of the fish house and thereby I don't know maybe not having to you know the cost offset of having to protect the fish house relative to doing it just up front towards the water.

[Speaker 7] (1:22:48 - 1:22:51)
Does that make sense? I can I can draw it out and do

[Speaker 6] (1:22:51 - 1:22:51)
I

[Speaker 7] (1:22:51 - 1:22:51)
that,

[Speaker 6] (1:22:51 - 1:22:51)
actually

[Speaker 7] (1:22:51 - 1:22:52)
but I think think. we rather move to

[Speaker 6] (1:22:52 - 1:22:57)
I actually think if we don't do this in concert with a fish house option that you're just locking the fish house in the

[Speaker 3] (1:22:57 - 1:22:57)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:22:57 - 1:22:58)
water.

[Speaker 3] (1:22:58 - 1:22:59)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:22:59 - 1:22:59)
Well, that's what I'm s uh

[Speaker 6] (1:22:59 - 1:23:00)
So we we

[Speaker 7] (1:23:00 - 1:23:00)
Obviously.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:00 - 1:23:05)
need to have a fish house option that either elevates it, moves it, it's fixed you know

[Speaker 7] (1:23:05 - 1:23:06)
Well, I'm saying w if if

[Speaker 6] (1:23:06 - 1:23:06)
protects

[Speaker 7] (1:23:06 - 1:23:06)
you hadn't

[Speaker 6] (1:23:06 - 1:23:06)
it.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:06 - 1:23:16)
if you had a cl if you had the barrier closer to the water, you could can put a contiguous line around the fish house as opposed to pushing it back and then trying to draw a wall around the fish house.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:16 - 1:23:21)
coming down and then moving along the water towards the rest of the beach.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:23 - 1:23:25)
Yeah, I see your point. Let's maybe we can move

[Speaker 7] (1:23:25 - 1:23:25)
Let's

[Speaker 6] (1:23:25 - 1:23:25)
on

[Speaker 7] (1:23:25 - 1:23:27)
see let's see what their the others

[Speaker 6] (1:23:27 - 1:23:27)
yeah,

[Speaker 7] (1:23:27 - 1:23:27)
think

[Speaker 3] (1:23:27 - 1:23:27)
yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:27 - 1:23:27)
yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:23:27 - 1:23:27)
the other solution.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:27 - 1:23:32)
like if they want we need to And then I is it fair to say that there's more detail in the final list report?

[Speaker 6] (1:23:32 - 1:23:33)
There is.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:33 - 1:23:34)
To answer some of the questions,

[Speaker 8] (1:23:34 - 1:23:34)
Yeah, it's a hundred

[Speaker 7] (1:23:34 - 1:23:34)
um

[Speaker 6] (1:23:34 - 1:23:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:34 - 1:23:35)
page report.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:35 - 1:23:35)
Final decisions

[Speaker 8] (1:23:35 - 1:23:35)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:23:35 - 1:23:37)
between different options.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:37 - 1:23:37)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:37 - 1:23:37)
Yeah. Many volumes

[Speaker 8] (1:23:37 - 1:23:38)
Yep, okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:38 - 1:23:38)
of pages.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:38 - 1:23:43)
We have full um descriptions for each of those like twelve criteria for each alternative. Um

[Speaker 7] (1:23:43 - 1:23:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:44 - 1:23:46)
sorry, we were just summarising for

[Speaker 7] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
all chords.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:46 - 1:23:46)
No, no, I'll

[Speaker 7] (1:23:46 - 1:23:47)
Nope.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:47 - 1:23:47)
get

[Speaker 3] (1:23:47 - 1:23:47)
Perfect.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:48 - 1:23:49)
Do you want me to go to the next slide?

[Speaker 3] (1:23:49 - 1:23:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:49 - 1:23:53)
Yes. Can we actually skip to the C_ to the fish house solution?

[Speaker 7] (1:23:53 - 1:23:54)
Since Yes.

[Speaker 6] (1:23:54 - 1:23:54)
we All were just

[Speaker 7] (1:23:54 - 1:23:54)
right, can talking we go ahead and

[Speaker 6] (1:23:54 - 1:23:54)
about

[Speaker 7] (1:23:54 - 1:23:55)
make the that?

[Speaker 6] (1:23:55 - 1:23:57)
fish house and then we'll go back to Pearson Road if that's okay?

[Speaker 8] (1:23:58 - 1:23:59)
Yeah, that's fine.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:01 - 1:24:09)
So for the fish house we looked at four broad options. So flood proofing the existing structure, so this could be done in a couple ways,

[Speaker 8] (1:24:09 - 1:24:19)
but flood proofing is where you allow flow to go into the structure itself so you have vents in the structure and this allows the water level to equalize.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:20 - 1:24:22)
So remove some of the hydrostatic pressure.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:22 - 1:24:26)
This is actually what FEMA recommends for the zone that the fish house is.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:26 - 1:24:35)
Located in. We had a lot of concerns because it's a historic structure having it be wet constantly would be probably not good, but it is only looked at.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:35 - 1:24:38)
Dry flood proofing is probably more of what you're thinking,

[Speaker 8] (1:24:38 - 1:24:39)
so making the structure itself.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:41 - 1:24:58)
fully impermeable. And then we also looked at just having temporary barriers surrounding the whole structure, so similar to what Jon was talking about. And for our analysis we assumed they'd be drop-in flood planks. So where you have posts and you kind of drop them hammer in wide steel plates ahead of a storm.

[Speaker 8] (1:24:59 - 1:25:04)
We looked at relocating the fish house, so preserving the structure itself,

[Speaker 8] (1:25:04 - 1:25:07)
moving it elsewhere and replacing.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:08 - 1:25:21)
the structure with either a dune or just a barrier, um but reusing the space for flood protection. Uh we looked at replacing the fish house, um and then we also looked at elevating the fish house or raising it three feet so it was above that flood elevation.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:24 - 1:25:29)
So next slide. Oh, sorry, if you could go back. And we just have a mock-up here.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:30 - 1:25:34)
All of these options would have to tie into the section that John was talking about.

[Speaker 6] (1:25:34 - 1:25:34)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:35 - 1:25:45)
So for the recommended approach of having a barrier along Humphrey Street, you can see that we'd have to cover where the red hatched section is.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:46 - 1:25:50)
That would be where there'd be a deployable barrier and it would tie into whatever solution was done at the fish house.

[Speaker 8] (1:25:53 - 1:26:02)
Um so we have a large table here, but this is the three iterations of flood proofing that we just talked through.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:03 - 1:26:20)
Um relocating the fish house, replacing and elevating it. Um there are a number of aspects that we looked at with this one um because it's a working fish house we we were thinking about how it'd affect commercial fishermen because its storage lockers along the first floor. Um

[Speaker 8] (1:26:21 - 1:26:28)
We thought about the National Historic Registry Listing because some of these would cause you to lose that status, which I know is important to some.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:29 - 1:26:35)
We have to think about permitting of it because it is within a high velocity zone under FEMA.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:35 - 1:26:39)
So this is, I know we're kind of focusing in a small area,

[Speaker 8] (1:26:39 - 1:26:42)
but this is a much more complicated one just because of the nature of the building.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:43 - 1:26:45)
So I'll try to run through this fast,

[Speaker 8] (1:26:45 - 1:26:47)
but wet flood proofing.

[Speaker 8] (1:26:48 - 1:27:13)
W we really ended up not being in favour of this one just because um the first floor of the building is all storage lockers for fishermen and in order to do this one they'd be having to clear out their space ahead of a storm um there could be damage to the structure over time even if the structure's not being washed away just because of weathering and then drying. Um so even though it's a FEMA recommended one, we don't think it's appropriate for this historic structure.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:13 - 1:27:15)
Um dry flood-proofing is tricky just

[Speaker 8] (1:27:15 - 1:27:21)
He just in the number of openings there are to the existing structure and because the structure is historic,

[Speaker 8] (1:27:21 - 1:27:26)
it's probably not designed to withstand the wave action that we'd expect to see that close to the coast.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:26 - 1:27:27)
So also

[Speaker 8] (1:27:28 - 1:27:30)
not a recommended approach.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:30 - 1:27:35)
Temporary flood proofing. This is one that we think could work for the area.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:37 - 1:27:42)
This would be advantageous in that it's relatively cheap. You just have to buy these temporary barriers.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:43 - 1:27:52)
They could be set up in advance of storms around the structure as long as there's a foundation built for them to connect to.

[Speaker 8] (1:27:53 - 1:28:04)
It also wouldn't affect the historic designation and are relatively quick to implement. Um disadvantages is you'd you'd have to be prepared. You'd have to go out ahead of a storm to do this. Um

[Speaker 6] (1:28:05 - 1:28:08)
And they're temporary because they're removable not because they only have one usage.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:09 - 1:28:11)
Correct. Yep, you would store them

[Speaker 6] (1:28:11 - 1:28:11)
Yep.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:11 - 1:28:13)
somewhere in between storm events.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:15 - 1:28:16)
Um

[Speaker 8] (1:28:16 - 1:28:18)
Relocating the fish house.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:19 - 1:28:22)
This would obviously eliminate all concerns for the house itself.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:23 - 1:28:32)
You'd retain the historic structure, however you would lose a National Historic Registry listing because that listing is tied to its location along the coastline as a working fish house.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:34 - 1:28:38)
It would also be costly and you'd have to acquire land to move it to.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:38 - 1:28:39)
And talking with stakeholders,

[Speaker 8] (1:28:39 - 1:28:41)
this was one that...

[Speaker 8] (1:28:42 - 1:28:43)
was not recommended.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:44 - 1:28:52)
Replacing the fish house at a first floor elevation above that 13.0 feet.

[Speaker 8] (1:28:53 - 1:29:00)
This again would be challenging to retain historic designation even if you retain the structure.

[Speaker 8] (1:29:01 - 1:29:02)
And then lastly

[Speaker 8] (1:29:03 - 1:29:05)
We looked at elevating the fish house.

[Speaker 8] (1:29:06 - 1:29:09)
So this one would be raising the house three feet,

[Speaker 8] (1:29:09 - 1:29:13)
building a new foundation below it that acted as a flood barrier.

[Speaker 8] (1:29:13 - 1:29:19)
We'd still have those deployable barriers from the area John talked about that would tie directly into the new foundation.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:20 - 1:29:25)
build a new ramp system around it so you'd have access to the storage lockers for the fishermen,

[Speaker 1] (1:29:25 - 1:29:28)
and

[Speaker 1] (1:29:31 - 1:29:37)
So this one is one that would be consistent with the National Historic Registry listing, so you could actually maintain that.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:38 - 1:29:42)
And it is feasible, we talked to a contractor in the area who does this.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:42 - 1:29:45)
It would just be probably by far the most costly.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:45 - 1:29:48)
So we did cost estimates for the two that really seem feasible in this.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:49 - 1:29:57)
Came up with I think 650,000, 60,000 for the temporary floodproofing and 2.4 million for raising the fish house.

[Speaker 1] (1:29:57 - 1:30:11)
let's so pretty dramatic difference again it's talking about a temporary solution that requires manpower versus one that allows the fish house to be resilient on its own I know

[Speaker 2] (1:30:11 - 1:30:11)
Guys,

[Speaker 1] (1:30:11 - 1:30:13)
that was a lot of information so any questions

[Speaker 2] (1:30:14 - 1:30:20)
did you guys consult with the commercial users to see if elevating it would be feasible?

[Speaker 1] (1:30:21 - 1:30:22)
We did. Yep,

[Speaker 3] (1:30:22 - 1:30:22)
Right? Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:22 - 1:30:25)
we met with Ted and um John Ingalls, I believe was his name.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:25 - 1:30:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:30:26 - 1:30:26)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:26 - 1:30:40)
Um part of the solution, because of the ramping system, would broaden the footprint of it. The fish house would have to be moved slightly to the side. Um then you would lose one of the two boat ramps. Then talking with John, uh it seemed that only one of them is

[Speaker 5] (1:30:40 - 1:30:40)
Is

[Speaker 1] (1:30:40 - 1:30:40)
currently

[Speaker 5] (1:30:40 - 1:30:41)
now joining.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:42 - 1:30:42)
Go ahead.

[Speaker 1] (1:30:42 - 1:30:47)
uh only one of them is currently in use anyways. So that wasn't um a deal breaker.

[Speaker 2] (1:30:47 - 1:30:47)
Oh. Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:30:48 - 1:30:58)
So really there's one solution, right, out of the six you've got listed here. There's really the temporary flood-proofing is your recommendation. Is that what

[Speaker 2] (1:30:58 - 1:30:59)
Well I guess there's two if we wanna spend

[Speaker 6] (1:30:59 - 1:31:00)
well,

[Speaker 2] (1:31:00 - 1:31:01)
two point four million dollars.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:01 - 1:31:03)
right, sure.

[Speaker 7] (1:31:04 - 1:31:05)
Um

[Speaker 8] (1:31:05 - 1:31:30)
I guess I would like go back to one of my earlier like first comments was that this study didn't lack the public process and this is obviously a an asset that has means a lot to a lot of people and people look at it different differently even within our like committee there were different opinions as to like you know what this building could or should be right so if you're going to spend 2.4 million dollars to protect the commercial interests of

[Speaker 8] (1:31:31 - 1:31:54)
you know, a sh a small select number of fishermen, like some people in town like may or may not be moved by that and others that's absolute critical for their livelihood, right, so um I I think bringing in broader perspectives and bringing this through a public campaign would be very helpful in terms of like decision making. I don't think you can make a decision based on where we are today, right, so I just wanted

[Speaker 6] (1:31:54 - 1:31:54)
Right,

[Speaker 8] (1:31:54 - 1:31:54)
to

[Speaker 6] (1:31:54 - 1:31:55)
I think that that's the piece that is

[Speaker 8] (1:31:55 - 1:31:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:31:56 - 1:31:56)
kind of

[Speaker 6] (1:31:56 - 1:32:02)
our wheelhouse right is that that relationship with the public and understanding what their feelings are

[Speaker 8] (1:32:02 - 1:32:02)
Absolutely.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:02 - 1:32:10)
I think we you know um trust you to give us the actual technical recommendations and let us handle the

[Speaker 8] (1:32:10 - 1:32:10)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (1:32:10 - 1:32:17)
the kind of you know stakeholder alignment and all that so that's kind of what what I'm thinking anyway.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:18 - 1:32:23)
And I will say all these solutions are aimed at protecting the fish house. Um

[Speaker 6] (1:32:23 - 1:32:23)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:23 - 1:32:29)
I think regardless of which solution you go with, you can that barrier can be built behind the fish house.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:29 - 1:32:30)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:30 - 1:32:37)
Um you can provide protection for the whole town, you can just have a three-foot wall behind it. Um so this kind of can function independently.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:38 - 1:32:38)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (1:32:38 - 1:32:43)
Um so this is not necessarily a risk to the whole town, it's just really what do you wanna do about this building.

[Speaker 2] (1:32:46 - 1:32:52)
I guess regardless of what we decide for this fish house, we need to do something about Puritan Road though. So we wanna go back to zone B_

[Speaker 10] (1:32:54 - 1:33:05)
Yes, thank you. Yes, um so zone B_ Puritan Road, my colleagues were kind enough to give me the most politically sensitive stretch of shoreline to talk to, so thank you.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:06 - 1:33:10)
Um I say that because obviously we include several um

[Speaker 10] (1:33:11 - 1:33:24)
the private properties along the stretch of road that are that are right right at the water-front. And so the alternatives that we uh assessed here um were there were technically four, there

[Speaker 10] (1:33:26 - 1:33:37)
te there basically two. But uh essentially we have a a wall, either be it either a steel sheet pile wall or a concrete seawall.

[Speaker 10] (1:33:39 - 1:33:59)
uh or a beach and dune combination, uh one of them being a thirty-foot um width of beach. Or you like you might hear me call it a berm sometimes. Uh that's the flat part of the beach that people recreate on or a ten-foot wide berm, which obviously there be these either these b both of these are very narrow beaches, right?

[Speaker 10] (1:33:59 - 1:34:11)
Um so we took a look at each one of those, the cross sections on the previous slide I probably pointed out a little bit, um that shows you kind of the alignment that we would be looking at.

[Speaker 11] (1:34:11 - 1:34:12)
John I agree.

[Speaker 12] (1:34:12 - 1:34:13)
Is now exiting.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:14 - 1:34:15)
I was boring him to apparently.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:17 - 1:34:17)
Alright.

[Speaker 2] (1:34:17 - 1:34:18)
Don't take it personally, we not.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:18 - 1:34:19)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:34:20 - 1:34:21)
Um

[Speaker 10] (1:34:21 - 1:34:29)
So all of this is on private property. There is the existing seawall that's there now that is privately owned, it's built of um you know

[Speaker 10] (1:34:29 - 1:34:54)
just stone. So we would be either reinforcing that, building just immediately in front of it or more building up or elevating uh uh portions of it to a consistent uh elevation. That's the other thing, the consistent elevation is really important here because these are private walls that have been built you know a hundred years ago maybe. Um they're all at different elevations and so we wanna make sure that's a nice consistent

[Speaker 10] (1:34:54 - 1:35:14)
You know that thirteen foot magic number that we've been talking about. So if we go back to the the next slide. Um so when we compare them um from benefits and and challenges or drawbacks, the the nature-based solutions, um you know, the beach dune and uh

[Speaker 10] (1:35:14 - 1:35:30)
Uh berm combination has um the benefit of being a nature-based solution and and not just nature-based for nature-based sake, but also uh opens up for grant opportunities a lot of times that you can find opportunities through CCM um and others that can that are more

[Speaker 10] (1:35:32 - 1:35:52)
lenient towards uh green based solutions in as far as grants uh for funding and construction. Uh the trade off there of course is that there is an O and M uh need and after large storms we would have to go back and and place sand to reinforce that template that is sort of the that we'd call the design template.

[Speaker 10] (1:35:53 - 1:35:56)
Um the thirty foot beach is

[Speaker 10] (1:35:57 - 1:36:12)
Basically the same flavour except that when as far as longevity is concerned, the wider the beach, the longer uh it's going to stay there. So erosion is sort of an ever present pressure at the shoreline. So um you just buy you buy yourself a little bit more time.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:14 - 1:36:19)
The two versions of the sea wall are basically the same as far as what um

[Speaker 10] (1:36:20 - 1:36:35)
You have the drawbacks are concerned and the benefits that they provide. The only real difference is the material cost. And we find that sheet pile sea walls are tend to be more expensive just because of the price of the steel or or if you put composite in there that might make it more expensive.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:36 - 1:36:45)
So of those four options we landed on the raised concrete sea wall as the highest scoring solution. Um and uh let's see if we go

[Speaker 10] (1:36:45 - 1:36:47)
One more slide, please.

[Speaker 10] (1:36:48 - 1:37:09)
Uh this is just sort of what that alignment would look like um in theory. And so these can you know this sh this could shift a little bit. We're more or less trying to follow the existing alignment of the the sea wall that's there now. So we're trying to minimise the amount of you know construction that we need to take place. And of course uh this would require some sort of buy-in from the folks that live there, right?

[Speaker 10] (1:37:10 - 1:37:17)
Um so that is uh that that lead that that is zone B, um if we could skip to

[Speaker 2] (1:37:18 - 1:37:19)
I just have a quick question.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:19 - 1:37:20)
Oh yeah, sure of course.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:20 - 1:37:33)
Does it say uh we'll call it a public private partnership with if we um raise the sea wall and made it one contiguous um concrete structure

[Speaker 2] (1:37:36 - 1:37:39)
Number one, are we allowed to do that without

[Speaker 2] (1:37:40 - 1:37:45)
pub without the private property owner's permission? I would assume we are not.

[Speaker 10] (1:37:45 - 1:37:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (1:37:46 - 1:37:54)
And if we do do it, how do we put the onus on the property owner to maintain it if we paid for it?

[Speaker 2] (1:37:54 - 1:38:01)
Like are we liable for its failure? Are we what is what are the legal ramifications of the town doing it?

[Speaker 10] (1:38:02 - 1:38:06)
I don't know if I can speak to that intelligently, I can guess, but I don't wanna put myself

[Speaker 2] (1:38:06 - 1:38:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
But

[Speaker 2] (1:38:08 - 1:38:08)
Have did we

[Speaker 6] (1:38:08 - 1:38:13)
could take could take the sea walls by an agreeab agreeable eminent domain.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:14 - 1:38:14)
Are you offering?

[Speaker 6] (1:38:15 - 1:38:18)
Yes, I would offer that. Um

[Speaker 6] (1:38:18 - 1:38:25)
But you have to s you have to understand that some of the sea walls are owned and then percentage of the beach is owned in front of it.

[Speaker 8] (1:38:25 - 1:38:25)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:25 - 1:38:32)
So it's not just the sea wall, but it's also the land on the on the on the beach side. So some of the properties are a little bit different. But

[Speaker 13] (1:38:33 - 1:38:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:33 - 1:38:34)
They're not all like that though, right?

[Speaker 6] (1:38:35 - 1:38:35)
No, they're

[Speaker 13] (1:38:35 - 1:38:35)
Not

[Speaker 6] (1:38:35 - 1:38:35)
not all

[Speaker 13] (1:38:35 - 1:38:35)
all

[Speaker 6] (1:38:35 - 1:38:35)
like

[Speaker 13] (1:38:35 - 1:38:35)
of them,

[Speaker 6] (1:38:35 - 1:38:36)
that. So

[Speaker 13] (1:38:36 - 1:38:39)
but a lot of p most of them I would dare say are.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:39 - 1:38:40)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 13] (1:38:40 - 1:38:45)
So it would be regardless of which approach here we would take or could take,

[Speaker 2] (1:38:45 - 1:38:45)
Mm.

[Speaker 13] (1:38:45 - 1:38:48)
they would all have some component of going on private property.

[Speaker 2] (1:38:48 - 1:38:48)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:38:48 - 1:39:03)
Right. So I I think legally that could all be worked out. I would I would think that if you're presenting something that would benefit the town by raising that and locking up water coming out onto Puritan Road and coming out

[Speaker 6] (1:39:04 - 1:39:10)
at the end of Puritan Road and also by on the left side there protecting the fish house

[Speaker 2] (1:39:10 - 1:39:10)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:39:10 - 1:39:14)
by sealing something in there that would be a major benefit for that whole area, I and I mean definitely

[Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
I

[Speaker 1] (1:39:14 - 1:39:14)
then mean we

[Speaker 2] (1:39:14 - 1:39:23)
it's mutually beneficial to all of those property owners and their property to prevent the flooding. So I would assume that there would be a sort of a quid pro quo.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:24 - 1:39:32)
To your point about maintenance, and I can only speak from personal experience owning one of those little parcels on the map here that is not on a seawall but right in front of it.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:34 - 1:39:38)
Most of the folks I know over here maintain their own sea walls. So it would be n you'd

[Speaker 2] (1:39:38 - 1:39:38)
There

[Speaker 3] (1:39:38 - 1:39:39)
be changing

[Speaker 2] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39)
aren't any doing

[Speaker 3] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39)
the height

[Speaker 2] (1:39:39 - 1:39:39)
it.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:39 - 1:39:43)
of the maintenance, right? But they're already maintaining it to some to varying degrees.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:44 - 1:39:44)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:44 - 1:39:52)
Yeah, one of the things we've learned here though is though, you know, the smallest uh uh break or the smallest chain, weak link in the chain exposes

[Speaker 2] (1:39:52 - 1:39:52)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:39:52 - 1:39:57)
the entire town to and and the rest of that entire community particularly to flooding.

[Speaker 2] (1:39:58 - 1:39:59)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:00 - 1:40:01)
That's interesting.

[Speaker 1] (1:40:01 - 1:40:02)
This is workable.

[Speaker 2] (1:40:02 - 1:40:05)
It's I would love to understand KP's position on that.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:06 - 1:40:06)
Okay.

[Speaker 4] (1:40:07 - 1:40:08)
Do you want to give it?

[Speaker 5] (1:40:08 - 1:40:10)
It does do any of these solutions require

[Speaker 3] (1:40:10 - 1:40:18)
pilings that need to go down towards bedrock just to keep them secure from the hydraulic forces of of

[Speaker 5] (1:40:19 - 1:40:20)
Or the ocean.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:20 - 1:40:35)
Uh we haven't done that level of design here. Um I can tell you that typically these sort of projects don't they're you're you need to assess for scour and make sure that you're protected down to the design level of scour at

[Speaker 5] (1:40:35 - 1:40:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:35 - 1:40:37)
the toe of the structure. So if you picture

[Speaker 5] (1:40:37 - 1:40:39)
Scour means just for is that s

[Speaker 3] (1:40:39 - 1:40:45)
you know? it's a fair question. Um as waves are v are kind of battering a wall if you will.

[Speaker 3] (1:40:45 - 1:40:56)
um the where the wall meets the sand at the f at the toe of the structure that has that will that elevation will lower will drop down over the course of a storm

[Speaker 3] (1:40:57 - 1:41:10)
because that ener that wave energy has to go somewhere so what it will do instead of breaking your wall it eats out the the turbulence eats out the material at the bottom of the wall. What usually a rule of thumb would say is um

[Speaker 3] (1:41:11 - 1:41:33)
The design wave height imp incident to the wall is typically what we would expect for a depth of scour for that sort of structure. So if you say like a three foot wave, four isn't just a right number out, three foot wave, then you need to make sure that your wall is at least three feet plus probably a little bit of bonus down below the depth of sand so that you're able to um withstand that scour.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:34 - 1:41:45)
Um, geotechnical engineers would take a deeper look at that uh no pun intended, to uh figure out how much further down they would need to go just to make sure that the uh structure was not gonna

[Speaker 5] (1:41:45 - 1:41:45)
The t topic.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:45 - 1:41:48)
topple over from the dirt. You don't think it would have to go all the way down to bedrock though.

[Speaker 3] (1:41:49 - 1:41:54)
I don't expect so. No, that That John, from your past piling experience

[Speaker 6] (1:41:54 - 1:41:54)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:41:54 - 1:41:56)
here that was pretty pretty deep, right?

[Speaker 7] (1:41:58 - 1:42:05)
Yeah, so the findings to bedrock is really for vertical forces because you're transferring that load downward.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:05 - 1:42:08)
Here we got forces coming at us horizontally.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:08 - 1:42:08)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:08 - 1:42:11)
So you're more, you have to have a wider foundation base.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:11 - 1:42:14)
First of all, it's a concrete structure. You're not going to have to do that heavy.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:14 - 1:42:20)
Probably have a wider footing with a keyhole in it to prevent over topping of the wall and prevent against that scour.

[Speaker 7] (1:42:20 - 1:42:23)
So I don't think you'd have to worry about going bedrock because you're...

[Speaker 7] (1:42:23 - 1:42:28)
Well, it's pretty variable in there, but I don't think you would get deep enough to get to that. And you wouldn't have to deal with those forces.

[Speaker 3] (1:42:29 - 1:42:30)
Thanks.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:30 - 1:42:48)
So what you're recommending here is you're recommending making the sea wall go down uh by the entrance there and then putting in deployable flood barriers all the way along the side, but are you also recommending increasing that the height of the sea wall?

[Speaker 1] (1:42:49 - 1:42:51)
That's up against Puritan Road on here.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:51 - 1:42:55)
No. Uh we took a look at that actually as th I think it was high enough already

[Speaker 3] (1:42:55 - 1:42:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:55 - 1:42:57)
to meet that design flood elevation.

[Speaker 1] (1:42:57 - 1:42:57)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (1:42:57 - 1:42:57)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:42:57 - 1:43:07)
Yeah. When I asked you guys this, when you presented this to our stakeholder group, you had said that was like, I wanna say thirteen point two, it was like just over. 'Cause visually I was thinking, well how does that relate?

[Speaker 2] (1:43:07 - 1:43:08)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:43:08 - 1:43:09)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
And based

[Speaker 2] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
It

[Speaker 3] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
on

[Speaker 2] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
had to

[Speaker 3] (1:43:09 - 1:43:09)
the mean conversation

[Speaker 2] (1:43:09 - 1:43:10)
this much.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:10 - 1:43:11)
that we had, it was pretty similar.

[Speaker 2] (1:43:11 - 1:43:12)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:15 - 1:43:30)
Uh so let's see if we skip ahead to slide nineteen Oh perfect, thank you very much. Um so this gets into the b uh what we've been calling the performance modelling, um that takes a look at

[Speaker 3] (1:43:30 - 1:43:32)
Oh, sorry, previous slide.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:36 - 1:43:36)
You're stealing my thunder.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:39 - 1:43:46)
So what we do is we take each of these alternatives and we will run them through a computer m simulation.

[Speaker 3] (1:43:47 - 1:44:12)
And each of these simulations is going to look at um three different scenarios uh based off of the peak water surface elevation uh during a given storm. So a a one hundred year or a one percent uh twenty thirty, a one percent twenty seventy, and then uh a five hundred year, or point two percent, twenty seventy. Um those elevation and peak elevations off that top right

[Speaker 3] (1:44:12 - 1:44:28)
right corner of our slide here, you can see those kind of level off right around just under ten feet, just under thirteen feet and then j uh just over thirteen feet that can't see the decimal from here, but it was I think thirteen point six or something. Nine.

[Speaker 5] (1:44:29 - 1:44:29)
Three nine. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:44:29 - 1:44:34)
Thirteen point nine. Thank you very much. Um

[Speaker 3] (1:44:35 - 1:44:59)
The alternatives that we looked at was first um just alternative one, which is just that white alignment that you see on the map to the left, that's the area in and around the fish house and the parking lot that's there. Um alternative two uh is the is the aforementioned uh fish house area plus the private sea wall area along Pier and Road that's on B_

[Speaker 3] (1:44:59 - 1:45:15)
And then um has an alternative three uh we kept both of those and then also incorporated um this is a little bit of foreshadowing, but we incorporated um some elevated um portions of Wyatt, Wales, and Izenman's beach.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:16 - 1:45:29)
And what we did there, because it's the design of anything like that was outside of our scope, we just basically raised that portion of those roads up to, I think, seventeen feet something, just large enough that whatever thing gets blocked.

[Speaker 1] (1:45:30 - 1:45:30)
So

[Speaker 2] (1:45:30 - 1:45:30)
What

[Speaker 1] (1:45:30 - 1:45:31)
you raised the roads?

[Speaker 3] (1:45:32 - 1:45:47)
Yes, and numerically we raised the roads, yes. But it's not something that is part of we're not we're not proposing anything. I just wanted to and actually we will see it on our next slide. I actually I probably should have kept the led with that. If you go to the next slide.

[Speaker 3] (1:45:49 - 1:46:14)
Uh we see the results of our uh modelling for each of those different scenarios. Um so starting at the top left we have the existing condition and this is the peak water surface elevation that we're showing or I guess the peak water depth that we're showing. And you those white arrows are indicating where the water is coming from. They're coming from over um fisherman's beach and then of course over um

[Speaker 3] (1:46:15 - 1:46:34)
Cassidy park to the right there, and then even more so, or just as much I should say, at Wales and Iasements. Um when we do this for the other alternatives uh one and two, uh the results are virtually the same. So if we're looking at this, really one of these things is not like the other, right.

[Speaker 3] (1:46:34 - 1:47:00)
And then what we'll see here in alternative three, um there virtually is no flooding. And what this tells us here is that we can we can block fishermen's beach through the raising of private sea walls, through fortification of fish house. Um but there is an alternative flood path and that is over Wales and Eisman's beach and that's and that's basically the um

[Speaker 3] (1:47:00 - 1:47:08)
You have that portion of Puritan road that's a little bit lower. These are extreme events. This is the twenty one uh twenty

[Speaker 2] (1:47:09 - 1:47:09)
Seventy.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:09 - 1:47:15)
thank you, twenty seventy, one hundred year event. This is the one that showed really the distinction between these.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:16 - 1:47:22)
What's the current height of the uh flood walls along Puritan road behind Iceman's and Will's?

[Speaker 3] (1:47:23 - 1:47:25)
Along p along Wales and Iceman's?

[Speaker 2] (1:47:25 - 1:47:28)
The green that you added for good measure.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:28 - 1:47:29)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:30 - 1:47:38)
Uh those are close to I wanna say eleven feet or So there's no there's no walls there, right it's just it's the road. So we didn't include

[Speaker 5] (1:47:38 - 1:47:39)
It's

[Speaker 3] (1:47:39 - 1:47:39)
any

[Speaker 5] (1:47:39 - 1:47:39)
not.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:39 - 1:47:39)
Well

[Speaker 3] (1:47:39 - 1:47:39)
wall.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:39 - 1:47:40)
No, there's a little

[Speaker 1] (1:47:40 - 1:47:40)
There's

[Speaker 2] (1:47:40 - 1:47:40)
There's

[Speaker 1] (1:47:40 - 1:47:40)
sea wall.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:40 - 1:47:40)
sea wall.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:41 - 1:47:42)
Oh, okay. So

[Speaker 2] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
All

[Speaker 3] (1:47:42 - 1:47:42)
it's

[Speaker 2] (1:47:42 - 1:47:43)
the way across the coast there.

[Speaker 2] (1:47:43 - 1:47:44)
So.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:44 - 1:47:45)
Okay. So that's steps.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:45 - 1:47:46)
That's

[Speaker 5] (1:47:47 - 1:47:49)
But there are some low-lying areas for sure.

[Speaker 3] (1:47:49 - 1:47:50)
The low-lying areas.

[Speaker 1] (1:47:50 - 1:47:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (1:47:50 - 1:47:53)
Yeah, the grass don't drive the drive that comes into it, but

[Speaker 2] (1:47:55 - 1:48:01)
So why why make that area seventeen versus thirteen when we were talking about thirteen the whole time?

[Speaker 3] (1:48:01 - 1:48:12)
It was just we wanted to just separate it from the design elements of of the fishermen's beach study and just make it something that was just a

[Speaker 3] (1:48:13 - 1:48:32)
a full blockage of um water at that area. And and the reason b and the reason that it could be something different over there is because whales and isopods is more exposed to the open ocean, and so thirteen feet would probably be a little bit uh low over on that side. Is there

[Speaker 5] (1:48:32 - 1:48:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (1:48:32 - 1:48:32)
an albedo

[Speaker 2] (1:48:32 - 1:48:32)
So can is

[Speaker 3] (1:48:32 - 1:48:33)
change?

[Speaker 2] (1:48:33 - 1:48:39)
I guess um can we s could you guys show us an alt three, which has it at thirteen feet.

[Speaker 5] (1:48:41 - 1:48:41)
High.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:41 - 1:48:52)
Like I just I just wonder how because you know we've been talking about 13 and if I mean to Wayne's point not to belabor Wayne's point but he was saying why not higher But

[Speaker 5] (1:48:52 - 1:48:53)
Well, I think they should.

[Speaker 2] (1:48:53 - 1:48:54)
then you went higher

[Speaker 5] (1:48:54 - 1:48:57)
But isn't all two showing the 13 foot?

[Speaker 3] (1:48:58 - 1:48:59)
If I can't see your question in the

[Speaker 2] (1:48:59 - 1:49:09)
No, no, it is, but but if you look okay, so so all one is just the fishermen's parking lot. Uh two includes Puritan Road and the uh you know in the um

[Speaker 2] (1:49:17 - 1:49:17)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:17 - 1:49:21)
And is that the elevation that you found, that you needed to totally block.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:22 - 1:49:23)
That we use seventeen

[Speaker 3] (1:49:23 - 1:49:23)
Or was

[Speaker 1] (1:49:23 - 1:49:23)
because

[Speaker 3] (1:49:23 - 1:49:23)
that just

[Speaker 1] (1:49:23 - 1:49:24)
you were just trying to block it off.

[Speaker 4] (1:49:24 - 1:49:42)
17 was just a conservative estimate. It could have just been an it could have been just as much at the 13 and a half or something. We just wanted we didn't want to spend budget figuring out what that design elevation would be over there because we just wanted to assess the viability of oil's and Iceman's as an alternative flood path.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:43 - 1:49:43)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:49:43 - 1:49:45)
Got it, 'cause it's slightly outside of the scope, right?

[Speaker 4] (1:49:45 - 1:49:46)
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:49:46 - 1:49:48)
Yeah, I get that I get that it's outside the scope, but I guess I'm trying

[Speaker 1] (1:49:48 - 1:50:02)
I'm trying to disprove Lane's point that it shouldn't be seventeen feet everywhere. And you maybe just helped his argument by saying, oh if we did seventeen feet here, you'd block this path also, and then you have no colour change, because there's essentially no flooding, 'cause we've sort of

[Speaker 5] (1:50:02 - 1:50:02)
That it could happen.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:02 - 1:50:11)
barrier made a barrier for that whole So. sea area. So just curious what it looks like if that area were only thirteen, you know, and then why

[Speaker 4] (1:50:11 - 1:50:14)
So it's a li yeah, so it's a little bit um

[Speaker 4] (1:50:15 - 1:50:23)
uh misleading the way the way that we've labelled this, is we have these white arrows are showing the direction, their the directionality of the flow.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:24 - 1:50:34)
Uh the while the results of these other three colourful quadrants look very similar because they end up with the same or similar peak water surface elevation,

[Speaker 1] (1:50:34 - 1:50:34)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:34 - 1:50:40)
um ultimately the the the way that those portions of the town get wet are very different.

[Speaker 1] (1:50:40 - 1:50:40)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 4] (1:50:40 - 1:50:48)
So in alternative one uh for example where we have um

[Speaker 4] (1:50:49 - 1:51:06)
just the fish house protected, we still see water coming up and over uh those homes adjacent to uh Puritan Road behind Fisherman's Beach, um which is kind of what those white arrows are showing at fishermen's. If we look at alternative uh two,

[Speaker 4] (1:51:06 - 1:51:17)
Uh those areas still get wet, but that it's because water has actually come in through whales and ismans to the south and has kind of worked its way up Humphrey Street and back around.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:17 - 1:51:17)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:17 - 1:51:18)
But so basically

[Speaker 1] (1:51:18 - 1:51:19)
Yep, I totally get it.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:19 - 1:51:23)
so basically what you're saying is that if we don't do anything in whales and ismans, the rest of it is it

[Speaker 1] (1:51:23 - 1:51:23)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:23 - 1:51:27)
it d does it make a difference if we do anything else? We need to address whales and ismans regardless if it's

[Speaker 1] (1:51:27 - 1:51:27)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:51:27 - 1:51:28)
thirteen feet,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28)
Sure,

[Speaker 6] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28)
seventeen

[Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28)
Harry and

[Speaker 6] (1:51:28 - 1:51:28)
feet,

[Speaker 1] (1:51:28 - 1:51:29)
Mary Ellen

[Speaker 6] (1:51:29 - 1:51:29)
whatever

[Speaker 1] (1:51:29 - 1:51:29)
are just

[Speaker 6] (1:51:29 - 1:51:31)
it is, that study needs to come next.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:31 - 1:51:31)
That's correct.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:31 - 1:51:33)
Fisherman's is then just gonna flood.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:33 - 1:51:39)
That's correct. During during this during this extreme event which is a one percent to twenty seventy storm, yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:40 - 1:51:40)
And this

[Speaker 7] (1:51:40 - 1:51:40)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:51:40 - 1:51:40)
is the one

[Speaker 7] (1:51:40 - 1:51:40)
the backup

[Speaker 3] (1:51:40 - 1:51:43)
percent where previously we were designing to the point two,

[Speaker 7] (1:51:43 - 1:51:43)
Point two.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:43 - 1:51:44)
the five hundred year.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:45 - 1:51:45)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:51:45 - 1:51:45)
The third.

[Speaker 4] (1:51:45 - 1:51:46)
Is it even more?

[Speaker 1] (1:51:46 - 1:51:47)
So

[Speaker 3] (1:51:47 - 1:51:47)
Right, yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:47 - 1:51:50)
can we see a performance model of that?

[Speaker 7] (1:51:52 - 1:51:52)
Which?

[Speaker 7] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53)
So I

[Speaker 3] (1:51:53 - 1:51:53)
Oh,

[Speaker 7] (1:51:53 - 1:51:54)
think

[Speaker 3] (1:51:54 - 1:51:54)
on the it's point

[Speaker 7] (1:51:54 - 1:51:54)
outside

[Speaker 3] (1:51:54 - 1:51:54)
seven.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:54 - 1:51:55)
the scope of what

[Speaker 3] (1:51:55 - 1:51:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (1:51:55 - 1:51:56)
we asked them to do here.

[Speaker 1] (1:51:56 - 1:51:59)
No, but I mean we we planned for

[Speaker 1] (1:52:00 - 1:52:08)
this a bit all the plans prior talk about this event that they're we're planning for. But then we modeled to a worst event.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:08 - 1:52:10)
No, this is actually more likely.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
This

[Speaker 6] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
A hundred

[Speaker 3] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
is a

[Speaker 6] (1:52:10 - 1:52:10)
your storm

[Speaker 1] (1:52:10 - 1:52:11)
Oh,

[Speaker 6] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
is more

[Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
this is

[Speaker 6] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
likely.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
more

[Speaker 3] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
This

[Speaker 1] (1:52:11 - 1:52:11)
likely.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:11 - 1:52:12)
is a one

[Speaker 6] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
percent

[Speaker 1] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
I apologize.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
chance

[Speaker 1] (1:52:12 - 1:52:12)
Yes.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:12 - 1:52:14)
rather than 0.2 percent.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:14 - 1:52:16)
Got it. I thought it was flipped. Sorry.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:16 - 1:52:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
And

[Speaker 4] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
Sorry,

[Speaker 8] (1:52:17 - 1:52:17)
just to clarify,

[Speaker 4] (1:52:17 - 1:52:20)
yeah, the lower probabilities are worse in this case.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:20 - 1:52:20)
Yes.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:20 - 1:52:25)
Um in the last scenario it's still thirteen feet long partition in speech.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:26 - 1:52:26)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:27 - 1:52:27)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:27 - 1:52:27)
Thank you.

[Speaker 8] (1:52:27 - 1:52:28)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:28 - 1:52:29)
Yes. Yep.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:29 - 1:52:29)
Okay. Sorry,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:29 - 1:52:30)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:30 - 1:52:30)
I just wanted

[Speaker 1] (1:52:30 - 1:52:30)
We to got.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:30 - 1:52:30)
make sure

[Speaker 1] (1:52:30 - 1:52:31)
I got that.

[Speaker 4] (1:52:31 - 1:52:31)
that's a good quote.

[Speaker 3] (1:52:34 - 1:52:36)
Um so with that uh

[Speaker 1] (1:52:37 - 1:52:44)
So we can't save the pump house without doing the entire road. That's what you're saying. So Mary Ellen's point originally is, well,

[Speaker 7] (1:52:44 - 1:52:44)
Correct.

[Speaker 1] (1:52:44 - 1:52:49)
while it was not within the scope of your ask, which I understand,

[Speaker 1] (1:52:50 - 1:52:52)
if we don't basically

[Speaker 1] (1:52:53 - 1:52:57)
Water will always find a path unless we block it. So if we don't block it all,

[Speaker 7] (1:52:58 - 1:52:59)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (1:52:59 - 1:52:59)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:52:59 - 1:52:59)
we're

[Speaker 6] (1:52:59 - 1:52:59)
probably block it.

[Speaker 7] (1:52:59 - 1:52:59)
So

[Speaker 1] (1:52:59 - 1:53:00)
not gonna

[Speaker 7] (1:53:00 - 1:53:00)
the reason

[Speaker 1] (1:53:00 - 1:53:01)
help any of those assets.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:01 - 1:53:08)
The original study the original study that was done was very clear. Where our most vulnerable place is

[Speaker 7] (1:53:09 - 1:53:15)
in the section of uh not the fish not not pure not the fish house but over by

[Speaker 1] (1:53:15 - 1:53:16)
Philips Park.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:16 - 1:53:25)
whales and Phillips, that's our most vulnerable area. So in order for us to protect our most vulnerable area and plus some, we have to do the whole corridor.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:25 - 1:53:26)
Right.

[Speaker 7] (1:53:26 - 1:53:31)
I would I would think that's the the update to this to this study.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:32 - 1:53:34)
I guess I I would say you can protect

[Speaker 6] (1:53:34 - 1:53:43)
the pump station as a single building using temporary flood barriers. You don't you know, like if that was the only asset you were concerned about,

[Speaker 1] (1:53:43 - 1:53:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:43 - 1:53:48)
you could do that pretty easily with temporary flood barriers. There's not a lot of flood pathways into that building.

[Speaker 1] (1:53:48 - 1:53:49)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (1:53:49 - 1:53:56)
Um really the charter for this whole project was to look comprehensively at the coastline um and like what

[Speaker 10] (1:53:56 - 1:54:07)
you know, looking for a a comprehensive approach to protecting everything, right? So that's kind of what this report is is doing, but you could absolutely you know protect one asset separately through your temporary mechanism.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:08 - 1:54:10)
Uh what what was the risk assessment over as you get east?

[Speaker 6] (1:54:12 - 1:54:21)
Along right along Phillips, Preston, even towards the marbled head line. What was the I know that's a little bit higher in elevation, is that is that what

[Speaker 6] (1:54:22 - 1:54:27)
Was that risk assessment lower because that elevation is above thirteen feet?

[Speaker 10] (1:54:28 - 1:54:43)
I think the um there was fewer assets, town municipal owned assets, I think, in those in the area. Um Palmer Pond is a pretty big percentage of the flood area on Phillips Beach. Um but I think that first graphic kind of showed the the extent and depth um

[Speaker 1] (1:54:43 - 1:54:43)
This picture

[Speaker 10] (1:54:43 - 1:54:44)
of it.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:44 - 1:54:44)
Wayne.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:44 - 1:54:44)
Which one?

[Speaker 10] (1:54:44 - 1:54:45)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:46 - 1:54:46)
There

[Speaker 6] (1:54:46 - 1:54:47)
I was looking

[Speaker 1] (1:54:47 - 1:54:47)
are some

[Speaker 6] (1:54:47 - 1:54:47)
at that.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:47 - 1:54:49)
dark green areas here.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:50 - 1:54:51)
which is uh

[Speaker 6] (1:54:51 - 1:54:52)
Oh, thank you. Yes.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:52 - 1:54:53)
By Philip Speaks

[Speaker 7] (1:54:53 - 1:54:54)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:54 - 1:54:54)
right there.

[Speaker 6] (1:54:56 - 1:54:56)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:56 - 1:54:57)
So keep going.

[Speaker 1] (1:54:58 - 1:55:00)
Backwards if you're yeah, that one. Thank you.

[Speaker 1] (1:55:03 - 1:55:06)
Okay. Well this is a lot to digest.

[Speaker 7] (1:55:06 - 1:55:06)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:07 - 1:55:15)
One o one of the things in common that I see throughout here, and it goes back to my original observation at the beginning of your presentation, was the fish house remains in the flood zone.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:17 - 1:55:31)
as opposed to being the option number one, which was building the structure on the beach side and then locking it up with the temporary barriers thus keeping the fish house out of the flood zone.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:33 - 1:55:35)
Uh does that resonate with anybody or

[Speaker 3] (1:55:36 - 1:55:38)
Using flood zone as in protected area.

[Speaker 6] (1:55:38 - 1:55:40)
No, as in like what's gonna be flooded.

[Speaker 3] (1:55:41 - 1:55:42)
So you

[Speaker 4] (1:55:42 - 1:55:42)
The

[Speaker 3] (1:55:42 - 1:55:42)
suggest

[Speaker 4] (1:55:42 - 1:55:42)
fish the

[Speaker 3] (1:55:42 - 1:55:42)
that it

[Speaker 4] (1:55:42 - 1:55:42)
fish

[Speaker 3] (1:55:42 - 1:55:43)
the relation

[Speaker 4] (1:55:43 - 1:55:43)
house

[Speaker 4] (1:55:43 - 1:55:47)
is sitting as it kinds of cuts off right the fish house is not protected

[Speaker 4] (1:55:48 - 1:55:57)
Unless you mitigate you were talking about before which is a separate zone around the fish house itself as opposed to being inclusive along the beach line

[Speaker 4] (1:55:58 - 1:55:58)
with

[Speaker 4] (1:55:59 - 1:56:05)
You know openings that can be temporarily closed off through mitigation or not barrier devices

[Speaker 1] (1:56:07 - 1:56:11)
So you're saying like take that blue line, bring it to the actual uh front

[Speaker 3] (1:56:11 - 1:56:11)
Current sea level.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:11 - 1:56:14)
of the parking, carry it all the way across to the front to the fish house,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:14 - 1:56:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:14 - 1:56:19)
and actually close it off and then bring it back up alongside to the private parcels.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:19 - 1:56:19)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:19 - 1:56:20)
we're like cutting

[Speaker 7] (1:56:20 - 1:56:24)
So if you b if you just go take the seawall and go

[Speaker 7] (1:56:25 - 1:56:26)
Are you saying take the seawall

[Speaker 10] (1:56:26 - 1:56:27)
Pick the black line at the bottom.

[Speaker 6] (1:56:27 - 1:56:28)
and take the blue and pull it forward.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:28 - 1:56:28)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:28 - 1:56:29)
Yeah, take

[Speaker 1] (1:56:29 - 1:56:29)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (1:56:29 - 1:56:29)
Pull

[Speaker 10] (1:56:29 - 1:56:29)
but

[Speaker 6] (1:56:29 - 1:56:29)
the

[Speaker 10] (1:56:29 - 1:56:29)
the

[Speaker 6] (1:56:29 - 1:56:29)
blue feature

[Speaker 10] (1:56:29 - 1:56:30)
blue and

[Speaker 6] (1:56:30 - 1:56:30)
and

[Speaker 10] (1:56:30 - 1:56:30)
pull

[Speaker 6] (1:56:30 - 1:56:30)
pull

[Speaker 10] (1:56:30 - 1:56:30)
it forward, whichever.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:30 - 1:56:30)
Right,

[Speaker 10] (1:56:30 - 1:56:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:31 - 1:56:32)
which was that was an option.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:32 - 1:56:33)
It was alternate one,

[Speaker 7] (1:56:33 - 1:56:33)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (1:56:33 - 1:56:37)
but it but it was frowned against because of I don't know if it was the cost of them.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
I think

[Speaker 10] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
Not

[Speaker 3] (1:56:37 - 1:56:37)
John

[Speaker 10] (1:56:37 - 1:56:38)
that they can

[Speaker 3] (1:56:38 - 1:56:38)
had

[Speaker 10] (1:56:38 - 1:56:38)
really

[Speaker 3] (1:56:38 - 1:56:38)
mentioned

[Speaker 10] (1:56:38 - 1:56:38)
cost.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:38 - 1:56:39)
there is ongoing cost

[Speaker 1] (1:56:39 - 1:56:40)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (1:56:40 - 1:56:41)
and maintenance that was more significant.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:45 - 1:56:46)
But you you you you

[Speaker 7] (1:56:46 - 1:56:47)
But you have you solved the problem.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:47 - 1:56:49)
solve you saw it's more of a solvable problem.

[Speaker 7] (1:56:50 - 1:56:52)
A full problem and not just pieces of it.

[Speaker 11] (1:56:53 - 1:56:54)
I

[Speaker 3] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54)
Do

[Speaker 11] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54)
don't

[Speaker 3] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54)
you kind of

[Speaker 11] (1:56:54 - 1:56:54)
know.

[Speaker 1] (1:56:55 - 1:56:55)
Well,

[Speaker 3] (1:56:55 - 1:56:55)
let me

[Speaker 1] (1:56:55 - 1:56:55)
I mean

[Speaker 3] (1:56:55 - 1:57:02)
let me I kind of take this I think to the next step. If we did raise sea wall along the beach, understanding the higher maintenance cost,

[Speaker 7] (1:57:02 - 1:57:03)
Right.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:03 - 1:57:10)
does that minimise, limit, alternate the expense of the fish fish house specific

[Speaker 6] (1:57:10 - 1:57:11)
This is what I was trying to ask originally.

[Speaker 3] (1:57:11 - 1:57:11)
design?

[Speaker 6] (1:57:12 - 1:57:13)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (1:57:13 - 1:57:14)
Um so if Or we

[Speaker 3] (1:57:14 - 1:57:15)
eliminate them.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:15 - 1:57:25)
If you did that, the the amount of temporary barriers you need in front of the fish house would be smaller than if you did a perimeter back to Humphrey Street.

[Speaker 1] (1:57:25 - 1:57:25)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:26 - 1:57:29)
I think John's point was because of the location.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:30 - 1:57:37)
being sure because sand washing back um installing those temporary barriers in a sealed way would be more difficult for the beachfront

[Speaker 1] (1:57:37 - 1:57:37)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (1:57:37 - 1:57:43)
which is why we were leaning towards the Humphrey Street alignment um but I do see your point

[Speaker 6] (1:57:43 - 1:57:44)
To be fair,

[Speaker 6] (1:57:44 - 1:57:49)
what's any more different about the difficulty of that than it is along the other quarter mile?

[Speaker 6] (1:57:50 - 1:58:02)
abstract along Puritan road and even on Wiseman's, I is maybe that's a that's just stake stick on the Puritan road area. What's any different than that, other than you have an existing seawall there already that you would be building upon or you'd

[Speaker 6] (1:58:03 - 1:58:03)
As we discussed

[Speaker 8] (1:58:03 - 1:58:04)
But

[Speaker 6] (1:58:04 - 1:58:06)
minutes ago, you'd be creating whatever you need to create.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:06 - 1:58:09)
Right, this is specifically for the deployable barriers.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:09 - 1:58:11)
So you're not using the temporary deployable

[Speaker 12] (1:58:11 - 1:58:11)
Exactly.

[Speaker 6] (1:58:11 - 1:58:11)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:11 - 1:58:18)
barriers there, you're building seawall there, so it's a little so you're building a more permanent structure not meant to be temporarily removed and

[Speaker 6] (1:58:18 - 1:58:18)
That's fair.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:18 - 1:58:19)
installed, so

[Speaker 6] (1:58:19 - 1:58:19)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (1:58:19 - 1:58:22)
there'd be some more reliability to that permanent structure.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:23 - 1:58:26)
Yeah, so the pier at the end of the road, that was all permanent.

[Speaker 3] (1:58:27 - 1:58:36)
So the real alternative, right, Wayne's suggestion of if the seawall is on the beachward side and then the temporary barriers were

[Speaker 3] (1:58:37 - 1:58:49)
closer to where the pier stands now on the seaward side of the fish house, the con for that is there's more significant maintenance concerns and upkeep in terms of cost and operations, but the efficacy is similar.

[Speaker 8] (1:58:49 - 1:58:50)
Yep, you would have to

[Speaker 8] (1:58:51 - 1:59:00)
Ahead of installing those, you have to make sure that they're clear of sand, um because those have to be affixed to a foundation.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:00 - 1:59:02)
Oh, got it. Okay.

[Speaker 8] (1:59:02 - 1:59:02)
So

[Speaker 10] (1:59:02 - 1:59:03)
So

[Speaker 8] (1:59:03 - 1:59:03)
we

[Speaker 6] (1:59:03 - 1:59:04)
But there's less barriers to deploying.

[Speaker 11] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04)
you can't

[Speaker 4] (1:59:04 - 1:59:04)
to it.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:04 - 1:59:12)
we can't sorry the portable you can't just put them anywhere so you actually do install like a prefab foundation that they're attached to and bolted in

[Speaker 3] (1:59:13 - 1:59:17)
So on the asphalt side, it's obviously much easier to keep that sealed,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:17 - 1:59:18)
whereas if you're on the beach side,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:19 - 1:59:21)
traffic going over it, you're going to get sand into that rubber all the time.

[Speaker 3] (1:59:22 - 1:59:26)
So it's just long-term effectiveness in the facility of deploying it,

[Speaker 3] (1:59:26 - 1:59:32)
but it is something we continue to look at, you know, if that's the way it kind of wants to go.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:32 - 1:59:34)
That explanation is really helpful.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:34 - 1:59:34)
Thank you.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:35 - 1:59:37)
That efficacy is not the same in the day-to-day operation.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:38 - 1:59:45)
Right. Yeah, I wanna be very clear, 'cause it's requiring expertise that we may or may not have at the time of that storm.

[Speaker 5] (1:59:47 - 1:59:47)
Makes sense.

[Speaker 2] (1:59:50 - 1:59:50)
Hmm.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:50 - 1:59:53)
Okay. So what's um next steps here, Nick, for this?

[Speaker 5] (1:59:55 - 1:59:57)
We are waiting for the final report.

[Speaker 6] (1:59:58 - 1:59:58)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (1:59:59 - 2:00:05)
Yep, so the final report, um I think we provided some R_S_I_ I think she's done it.

[Speaker 7] (2:00:06 - 2:00:06)
Fine.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:07 - 2:00:07)
Marty.

[Speaker 7] (2:00:08 - 2:00:09)
Uh

[Speaker 6] (2:00:10 - 2:00:11)
How long did it take to do the report?

[Speaker 7] (2:00:11 - 2:00:36)
We, I was gonna say we we've received comments from Martha Schmidt's committee and if there's any other comments from other committees like we're kind of holding the seats any more comments coming in from you know DBDubU and um Harbor waterfront that kind of stuff. So um I think they're passing comments to Mars, he shall pass them to us. So um anything that comes out of that we'll update the report. So it isn't it's an it's like a pretty advanced draft.

[Speaker 7] (2:00:36 - 2:00:42)
Um so so that's once we address or give received comments and address them all then we'll finalise it.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:42 - 2:00:47)
Is this is this up on the website in a very easily findable place?

[Speaker 6] (2:00:48 - 2:00:49)
No, because it's not in a final format

[Speaker 7] (2:00:49 - 2:00:49)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:49 - 2:00:51)
No, the draft, it yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:00:51 - 2:00:51)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:00:51 - 2:01:02)
No, it's it's not complete so it would not yet be released. So if we want public comment why would we not it doesn't matter why would we not put it up in state explicitly draft looking for public comment?

[Speaker 6] (2:01:02 - 2:01:02)
Think.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:03 - 2:01:05)
We haven't invited public comment yet, we?

[Speaker 10] (2:01:05 - 2:01:05)
No.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:06 - 2:01:07)
We've invited commentary from

[Speaker 10] (2:01:07 - 2:01:08)
Any comment.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:08 - 2:01:11)
committees, stakeholder c stakeholder committees.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:12 - 2:01:12)
Yep.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:12 - 2:01:19)
But I but I think that they started the presentation to say that what this whole process was lacking was public input, that

[Speaker 5] (2:01:19 - 2:01:19)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:19 - 2:01:28)
that was not part of the scope by which we could afford to hire them for this process. So we need to finalise a draft and

[Speaker 6] (2:01:28 - 2:01:30)
and then engage public comment.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:32 - 2:01:32)
For us to engage.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:32 - 2:01:33)
For us to engage

[Speaker 5] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
That's

[Speaker 6] (2:01:33 - 2:01:33)
public

[Speaker 5] (2:01:33 - 2:01:34)
not right.

[Speaker 6] (2:01:34 - 2:01:39)
comment outside of Kleinfeldar and so that we can do something with this information.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:39 - 2:01:50)
And what this will inform is any further MVP grants or other CZM or anyone else that might make available funds to municipalities to go towards implementation.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:50 - 2:01:52)
These are all things that are not built into our capital plan.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:53 - 2:01:56)
Costal Zone Management, it's CZM, I apologise. And then

[Speaker 7] (2:01:56 - 2:01:57)
No, I know.

[Speaker 5] (2:01:57 - 2:01:58)
V_P_ I didn't know if you knew

[Speaker 7] (2:01:58 - 2:01:58)
No,

[Speaker 5] (2:01:58 - 2:01:58)
you know.

[Speaker 7] (2:01:58 - 2:02:01)
actually, we were just talking about in the CARC meeting uh climate action meeting

[Speaker 6] (2:02:01 - 2:02:02)
What's MVP?

[Speaker 7] (2:02:02 - 2:02:04)
uh this week, which was looking at the uh

[Speaker 5] (2:02:04 - 2:02:05)
Vulnerability

[Speaker 7] (2:02:05 - 2:02:05)
M_V_P_

[Speaker 5] (2:02:05 - 2:02:05)
uh

[Speaker 7] (2:02:05 - 2:02:13)
and C_Z_M_ grants were being combined into a one-stop shop that actually there is a on September fifteenth there's a webinar that the group is

[Speaker 5] (2:02:14 - 2:02:16)
Yeah, I think EEA actually has all their grants in a one-stop shop.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:17 - 2:02:17)
Yeah, that's

[Speaker 5] (2:02:17 - 2:02:18)
It's not just them, so

[Speaker 7] (2:02:18 - 2:02:34)
But that's a next step type of thing. I I'd I'd still like to see um draft or otherwise I I'm not saying necessarily that uh the select board has to uh engage in public comment, right, that's a separate story, but um certainly um there can be a form for public comment to the draft.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:34 - 2:02:41)
Um and those public comments can be possibly included if necessary into the final report.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:42 - 2:02:57)
I I don't know I don't see why that's necessarily a bad idea. I yes, I I agree that we could have public hearings in a future for public comment, of course, I I welcome that. But um I I still don't see why uh a draft report shouldn't be available to anyone who requests it.

[Speaker 7] (2:02:59 - 2:02:59)
It's a draft.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:00 - 2:03:22)
There may be things that uh aren't seen, aren't known uh by people in the community. Uh and if we don't do that, at least I'd like to see um the two committees that have the most fundamental uh stake in this, which would be harbour, waterfront and climate action to have a vote amongst them to advise us, as advisory committees, to advise us uh whether or not this report is complete before we sign off on it.

[Speaker 11] (2:03:23 - 2:03:26)
My my committee, harbour and waterfront, has it, so

[Speaker 11] (2:03:28 - 2:03:34)
So, we've been working on this for how long? Are we it's three years now? Does anybody know? Do you know?

[Speaker 11] (2:03:35 - 2:03:35)
Nick, do you know?

[Speaker 5] (2:03:35 - 2:03:36)
I don't know.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:36 - 2:03:36)
Not too long.

[Speaker 6] (2:03:36 - 2:03:38)
He's the least acquainted

[Speaker 7] (2:03:38 - 2:03:38)
I think it

[Speaker 6] (2:03:38 - 2:03:39)
with how it much has it's gotten here.

[Speaker 7] (2:03:39 - 2:03:46)
was two it was two grant cycles ago that we were unsuccessful. So um so probably two years I think.

[Speaker 11] (2:03:47 - 2:03:50)
Well, it was uh I think it was the the um

[Speaker 11] (2:03:51 - 2:03:57)
It was around when Doug Thompson had his magic markers and was going for the board because we had to identify ARPA money,

[Speaker 6] (2:03:57 - 2:03:57)
ARPA money?

[Speaker 11] (2:03:57 - 2:03:59)
is that what we used ARPA money

[Speaker 6] (2:03:59 - 2:03:59)
We did?

[Speaker 11] (2:03:59 - 2:03:59)
for?

[Speaker 6] (2:03:59 - 2:04:01)
We did use ARPA money, yep.

[Speaker 11] (2:04:01 - 2:04:03)
So I'm saying we're over two and a half years.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:03 - 2:04:05)
We it's been some time.

[Speaker 11] (2:04:05 - 2:04:16)
So so the reason I'm asking that is this is it's been a long process and I just want to know what's our target date to get something going here so that we can be applying for some of these grants because there is new money.

[Speaker 11] (2:04:17 - 2:04:31)
going in for grants. I think um I know I went to a a meeting with Doug and several people at the fish house and we were talking to the chair of one of the larger community committees I

[Speaker 11] (2:04:32 - 2:04:33)
Who was it?

[Speaker 5] (2:04:33 - 2:04:34)
Seaport Economic.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:34 - 2:04:34)
Seaport Economic

[Speaker 11] (2:04:34 - 2:04:35)
No, it wasn't

[Speaker 6] (2:04:35 - 2:04:35)
Council.

[Speaker 11] (2:04:35 - 2:04:39)
seaport economic, it was um somebody else.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:41 - 2:04:41)
Um

[Speaker 11] (2:04:41 - 2:04:55)
But just the bottom line is there's more money available now. Um I know Governor Healy was putting more money towards this this endeavor. So I what what I want to find out is when's the date, what's our date of getting this completed and

[Speaker 11] (2:04:56 - 2:04:59)
and uh being able to apply for this these monies.

[Speaker 6] (2:04:59 - 2:05:03)
I guess I just have two quick on Wayne's public feedback at

[Speaker 6] (2:05:05 - 2:05:14)
I I caution that we ha not that Kleinfeld or can't be wrong or that public can't give input but I don't wish the public to sway

[Speaker 6] (2:05:16 - 2:05:29)
necessarily scientific recommendation uh there's a con there's a community input part of it which I understand that you know they've given a certain level based on the wa the way that they're weighting things and if we choose to

[Speaker 6] (2:05:31 - 2:05:42)
move that weighted average to something else because of c community input, that's up to the community and I have no problem doing that. I just don't want to necessarily sway this

[Speaker 6] (2:05:43 - 2:05:59)
sway that in this process but I do want to caution that we don't do what we did with the pier and go straight to get funding that the community doesn't necessarily wholeheartedly support or understand and I want to action things that we

[Speaker 6] (2:06:00 - 2:06:24)
as a community feel will come to fruition because I fear you know going back to multiple entities and asking for funds and then getting us getting funds and then not being able to sort of really see something to its finalization hurts us in the end for getting funds in the future so I want to make sure that what we ask for we're going to do so that's just my two cents

[Speaker 2] (2:06:26 - 2:06:27)
But this isn't even asking us to do anything.

[Speaker 11] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
We're

[Speaker 6] (2:06:28 - 2:06:28)
No,

[Speaker 2] (2:06:28 - 2:06:29)
just getting

[Speaker 6] (2:06:29 - 2:06:29)
and I I

[Speaker 2] (2:06:29 - 2:06:29)
a

[Speaker 6] (2:06:29 - 2:06:37)
I just I was just cautioning going out to get grant funding to do something when we don't really have a path forward about what we are going to do.

[Speaker 2] (2:06:37 - 2:06:37)
Sure.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:37 - 2:06:38)
That's

[Speaker 11] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38)
the part that

[Speaker 5] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38)
So

[Speaker 6] (2:06:38 - 2:06:38)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:06:38 - 2:06:44)
in terms of delivering the final report, you're waiting our our feedback from our appointed advisory committees

[Speaker 11] (2:06:44 - 2:06:44)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:44 - 2:06:45)
right?

[Speaker 5] (2:06:45 - 2:06:48)
So that's something that Marcy and I can work with speak

[Speaker 6] (2:06:48 - 2:06:48)
Put

[Speaker 5] (2:06:48 - 2:06:48)
to

[Speaker 6] (2:06:48 - 2:06:48)
a checkmark

[Speaker 5] (2:06:48 - 2:06:48)
as the

[Speaker 6] (2:06:48 - 2:06:49)
out there.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:49 - 2:06:49)
the

[Speaker 6] (2:06:49 - 2:06:49)
Word.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:49 - 2:06:50)
representatives

[Speaker 7] (2:06:50 - 2:06:50)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:06:50 - 2:06:53)
to make sure we get that back to them to Mary Ellen's point to get the final

[Speaker 11] (2:06:54 - 2:07:06)
Well, those are advisory committees, so those advisory com committees should be advising the select board. Uh shouldn't it be the select the select board should be the ones of the you know okay in the final report, not these advisory committees.

[Speaker 6] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
Right, I'm

[Speaker 3] (2:07:06 - 2:07:06)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:07:06 - 2:07:08)
not sure that these advisory committees should have direct

[Speaker 11] (2:07:10 - 2:07:21)
I would say influence or real contact with Kleinfeldt who is providing us with the science of the data. I'm not sure I'm understanding how the two co-mingle or why they would, right. Because to Mary Ellen's point,

[Speaker 11] (2:07:21 - 2:07:23)
their advisory committee is to us,

[Speaker 7] (2:07:23 - 2:07:24)
Sure.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:24 - 2:07:25)
right. And it's just,

[Speaker 6] (2:07:25 - 2:07:25)
Right.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:25 - 2:07:35)
so I don't know what the flow of information is back and forth between Kleinfeldt and these committees, but I don't think our committee should be actively influencing or involved with their report.

[Speaker 11] (2:07:35 - 2:07:39)
Right, I want to see the scientific facts that tell us what we need to do.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:39 - 2:07:39)
There's more

[Speaker 11] (2:07:39 - 2:07:39)
From

[Speaker 7] (2:07:39 - 2:07:40)
than scientific

[Speaker 11] (2:07:40 - 2:07:41)
a Kleinfelder perspective.

[Speaker 7] (2:07:41 - 2:08:00)
fact here, there's evaluation and analysis based upon priorities in this report that is mo that it actually leads to effective based solutions. So I do think that these committees have um a lot of consideration considering that they affect the direct

[Speaker 2] (2:08:02 - 2:08:08)
The direct impact to to everything that these committees study on a daily basis on a on a regular basis.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:08 - 2:08:14)
But these committees act as a, as to Mary Ellen's point, advisories to the select board.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:14 - 2:08:16)
Should we not use them as advisories?

[Speaker 11] (2:08:16 - 2:08:16)
No,

[Speaker 12] (2:08:16 - 2:08:16)
So they

[Speaker 11] (2:08:16 - 2:08:16)
then

[Speaker 12] (2:08:16 - 2:08:17)
should

[Speaker 11] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
we

[Speaker 2] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
I

[Speaker 11] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
can

[Speaker 12] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
be

[Speaker 11] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
help

[Speaker 2] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
I

[Speaker 12] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
advised

[Speaker 11] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
her.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:17 - 2:08:17)
I

[Speaker 12] (2:08:17 - 2:08:18)
by the select

[Speaker 2] (2:08:18 - 2:08:18)
I

[Speaker 12] (2:08:18 - 2:08:18)
board.

[Speaker 2] (2:08:18 - 2:08:19)
agree.

[Speaker 12] (2:08:19 - 2:08:21)
I think we're all saying the same thing.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:21 - 2:08:21)
But they

[Speaker 5] (2:08:21 - 2:08:21)
We just

[Speaker 11] (2:08:21 - 2:08:22)
need

[Speaker 5] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
want to

[Speaker 12] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
make sure

[Speaker 12] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
think we're we're saying the same

[Speaker 5] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
all working

[Speaker 12] (2:08:22 - 2:08:22)
thing.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:22 - 2:08:23)
in tandem,

[Speaker 12] (2:08:23 - 2:08:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:23 - 2:08:23)
right?

[Speaker 11] (2:08:23 - 2:08:24)
Right, and

[Speaker 5] (2:08:24 - 2:08:24)
We're

[Speaker 11] (2:08:24 - 2:08:24)
just

[Speaker 5] (2:08:24 - 2:08:25)
just working together here,

[Speaker 11] (2:08:25 - 2:08:25)
I

[Speaker 5] (2:08:25 - 2:08:25)
not

[Speaker 11] (2:08:25 - 2:08:25)
think

[Speaker 5] (2:08:25 - 2:08:26)
on separate teams.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:26 - 2:08:31)
Right. I think I think one question I don't want to see advisory committees just working with the

[Speaker 12] (2:08:31 - 2:08:31)
Kleinfeld there.

[Speaker 11] (2:08:31 - 2:08:35)
Kleinfelder and the other I don't want you to say Kleinfelder when you have Woods

[Speaker 6] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
Right,

[Speaker 11] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
Hole.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:35 - 2:08:35)
no.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:35 - 2:08:36)
But you know to implement

[Speaker 5] (2:08:36 - 2:08:37)
Of course.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
what the ultimate

[Speaker 11] (2:08:37 - 2:08:37)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:37 - 2:08:38)
is in the report,

[Speaker 11] (2:08:38 - 2:08:38)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:38 - 2:08:38)
right?

[Speaker 11] (2:08:38 - 2:08:39)
That's Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:39 - 2:08:39)
not what

[Speaker 11] (2:08:39 - 2:08:41)
Their their advice should be coming here.

[Speaker 6] (2:08:42 - 2:08:42)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:42 - 2:08:48)
So do you with all of that in mind, because I do think this is four white arrows all pointing at the same same thing

[Speaker 6] (2:08:48 - 2:08:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:48 - 2:08:52)
like do you two want to talk to your committees and you can share

[Speaker 7] (2:08:52 - 2:08:52)
Yeah, I something have.

[Speaker 5] (2:08:52 - 2:08:58)
with the board and uh the first meeting in October to give you time to get something on the calendar with each of them or

[Speaker 1] (2:08:59 - 2:09:00)
because

[Speaker 2] (2:09:00 - 2:09:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 1] (2:09:00 - 2:09:00)
that

[Speaker 2] (2:09:00 - 2:09:00)
so it

[Speaker 1] (2:09:00 - 2:09:00)
Daniela?

[Speaker 2] (2:09:00 - 2:09:01)
there should be a Sure. recommendation,

[Speaker 3] (2:09:01 - 2:09:01)
So so

[Speaker 2] (2:09:01 - 2:09:02)
right, for that?

[Speaker 3] (2:09:02 - 2:09:07)
my committee um our next meeting we're taking up discussion of the report and the findings.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:07 - 2:09:07)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:07 - 2:09:07)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:09:07 - 2:09:07)
So

[Speaker 2] (2:09:07 - 2:09:07)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:07 - 2:09:07)
we're

[Speaker 4] (2:09:07 - 2:09:09)
And climate

[Speaker 3] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
But whether

[Speaker 4] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
action

[Speaker 3] (2:09:09 - 2:09:09)
or not it

[Speaker 4] (2:09:09 - 2:09:10)
had comes already done it.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:10 - 2:09:13)
to you know there's anything that they want to bring forward to the select board, then

[Speaker 4] (2:09:13 - 2:09:14)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:14 - 2:09:15)
I will do that. But

[Speaker 2] (2:09:15 - 2:09:15)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:15 - 2:09:16)
Great.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:16 - 2:09:17)
that is what we're doing.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:17 - 2:09:20)
And I have feedback from Martha, from climate

[Speaker 1] (2:09:20 - 2:09:20)
Yep.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:20 - 2:09:21)
action with that includes

[Speaker 5] (2:09:22 - 2:09:24)
from most of the Committee individual inputs.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:25 - 2:09:33)
So then I can synthesize or bring together all the feedback that you two gather and you can work with Marcy and I directly to get it.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:33 - 2:09:33)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:09:33 - 2:09:37)
So that you all can move to a final final as opposed to a final draft.

[Speaker 4] (2:09:37 - 2:09:38)
Yep. Yeah, sounds good.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:38 - 2:09:43)
I just have one quick question on the um the barrier, what do you call those barrier things? The

[Speaker 6] (2:09:43 - 2:09:44)
Flood barriers.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:44 - 2:09:45)
um

[Speaker 1] (2:09:45 - 2:09:45)
Deployable.

[Speaker 3] (2:09:46 - 2:09:53)
Temporary barriers. How long have they been in the market? How long have they been used and how effective are they?

[Speaker 4] (2:09:55 - 2:09:58)
You know, over how about Europe?

[Speaker 7] (2:09:58 - 2:09:59)
Um so

[Speaker 1] (2:09:59 - 2:10:00)
Can you move the mic?

[Speaker 7] (2:10:00 - 2:10:01)
oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:01 - 2:10:01)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:01 - 2:10:01)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:10:05 - 2:10:11)
So the barriers that come to mind I think are um is it aqua gate? Aqua gate? Aqua fence, thank you.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:11 - 2:10:11)
Fence.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:11 - 2:10:12)
Very much.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:12 - 2:10:20)
Uh thanks John. Yeah, aqua fence is a popular um brand that's very well established in the United States as well as Europe.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:20 - 2:10:21)
How long have they been in the market?

[Speaker 7] (2:10:22 - 2:10:25)
I don't know off the top my head, I'd have to go to their website.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:25 - 2:10:25)
What are they called?

[Speaker 7] (2:10:25 - 2:10:25)
To find

[Speaker 7] (2:10:26 - 2:10:26)
aqua

[Speaker 1] (2:10:26 - 2:10:26)
Aqua.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:26 - 2:10:26)
fence.

[Speaker 1] (2:10:26 - 2:10:27)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:10:27 - 2:10:28)
Google it.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:28 - 2:10:29)
Um I do know

[Speaker 5] (2:10:29 - 2:10:30)
I'm not exactly

[Speaker 7] (2:10:30 - 2:10:30)
that

[Speaker 5] (2:10:30 - 2:10:30)
there.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:30 - 2:10:38)
I do know that they're used around the country, um including um you know uh valuable assets like hospitals.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:38 - 2:10:49)
Um and and and you know uh you know public buildings. So it's not some it's not like a one-off, I think they use they deploy them in Boston at um the aquarium stop

[Speaker 3] (2:10:49 - 2:10:49)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:49 - 2:10:49)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:49 - 2:10:51)
for the D-B for the

[Speaker 4] (2:10:51 - 2:10:51)
No.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:51 - 2:10:51)
M-B-T-A?

[Speaker 5] (2:10:51 - 2:10:54)
Okay. Yeah. At the M-B-T-A station there at the top of the stairs.

[Speaker 10] (2:10:54 - 2:10:55)
Yeah, the aquarium,

[Speaker 5] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55)
the Yeah,

[Speaker 10] (2:10:55 - 2:10:55)
back

[Speaker 5] (2:10:55 - 2:10:56)
that has

[Speaker 10] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
last

[Speaker 5] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
pictures in

[Speaker 10] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
uh

[Speaker 5] (2:10:56 - 2:10:56)
the report.

[Speaker 10] (2:10:56 - 2:10:57)
start.

[Speaker 3] (2:10:57 - 2:10:57)
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 5] (2:10:57 - 2:10:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 7] (2:10:57 - 2:10:57)
Yeah.

[Speaker 10] (2:10:57 - 2:11:02)
I think they deploy them there. I think Massport employs them around some of their facilities.

[Speaker 11] (2:11:03 - 2:11:03)
Interesting.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:04 - 2:11:04)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 10] (2:11:04 - 2:11:04)
Hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:05 - 2:11:08)
The first deployed in two thousand and eight at Mount Vernon.

[Speaker 11] (2:11:09 - 2:11:11)
Oh, that's an important asset, Mary Ellen.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:12 - 2:11:15)
Oh, sorry, not that was not the first deployment, that was a notable deployment.

[Speaker 11] (2:11:15 - 2:11:15)
That's uh.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:16 - 2:11:18)
Did you say notable deployment?

[Speaker 11] (2:11:18 - 2:11:18)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:18 - 2:11:18)
A notable

[Speaker 3] (2:11:18 - 2:11:19)
At Mount mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:19 - 2:11:19)
deployment.

[Speaker 11] (2:11:19 - 2:11:20)
Mount Vernon.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:20 - 2:11:20)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:11:21 - 2:11:22)
There are nine.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:11:23 - 2:11:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:23 - 2:11:26)
Oh, thank you. Yeah, and I believe it it

[Speaker 7] (2:11:26 - 2:11:42)
You know they're b different companies, Aquafen, Aquagator is one of them. Um but they a lot of them they'll fold up and they are you know you can stow them and then they you pull them out and then you can deploy them and so it's something that's like a s minimum footprint when you're not using it is the idea.

[Speaker 11] (2:11:42 - 2:11:42)
Okay.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:43 - 2:11:45)
And then they link the word I think they link together.

[Speaker 1] (2:11:46 - 2:11:47)
I think

[Speaker 10] (2:11:47 - 2:11:51)
If we estimated for the fish house, um it would be about four hours to deploy.

[Speaker 10] (2:11:52 - 2:11:53)
If you did a

[Speaker 11] (2:11:53 - 2:11:53)
Wow,

[Speaker 10] (2:11:53 - 2:11:53)
full perimeter.

[Speaker 11] (2:11:53 - 2:11:55)
that's a long time.

[Speaker 10] (2:11:56 - 2:11:59)
It's long, but it'd be relatively infrequent events.

[Speaker 7] (2:11:59 - 2:12:03)
And that was based upon the hump the the street

[Speaker 11] (2:12:04 - 2:12:05)
All the way around

[Speaker 7] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
That's

[Speaker 11] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
the

[Speaker 10] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
That

[Speaker 11] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
perimeter,

[Speaker 7] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
true.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:05 - 2:12:05)
all the way yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:05 - 2:12:06)
all the way around.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:07 - 2:12:09)
That is the maximum. Okay. That would be

[Speaker 11] (2:12:09 - 2:12:10)
Well that's good to based know.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:10 - 2:12:11)
on a two-person team, so.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:11 - 2:12:12)
You could shoot.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:12 - 2:12:13)
Oh, Chino's got way more than two people.

[Speaker 5] (2:12:15 - 2:12:16)
Chino can do it faster.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:19 - 2:12:19)
Great.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:20 - 2:12:21)
So we have next steps.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:21 - 2:12:22)
Next steps,

[Speaker 4] (2:12:22 - 2:12:22)
Do we set

[Speaker 11] (2:12:22 - 2:12:22)
you get

[Speaker 4] (2:12:22 - 2:12:22)
for next

[Speaker 11] (2:12:22 - 2:12:22)
you guys

[Speaker 4] (2:12:22 - 2:12:22)
steps

[Speaker 11] (2:12:22 - 2:12:26)
are on going to it? give some feedback, we're going to talk about this again in October, and Clem Felder can go home.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
And Would's

[Speaker 10] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
I would

[Speaker 11] (2:12:27 - 2:12:27)
home.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:27 - 2:12:28)
just urge

[Speaker 3] (2:12:28 - 2:12:28)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:28 - 2:12:43)
if staff, Marcy and Nick, if possible, to on like I said of September 15th, 11 a.m. there's the environmental climate one stop grant program that was the merging of the of the CZM and MVP programs together.

[Speaker 4] (2:12:45 - 2:12:51)
You can maybe that's helpful, it could that that's our next steps is for future grant pro programming.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:53 - 2:12:54)
Okay.

[Speaker 10] (2:12:55 - 2:12:55)
Thank you, John.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:55 - 2:12:56)
The um

[Speaker 4] (2:12:56 - 2:12:57)
Thank you very very much.

[Speaker 1] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 11] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:57 - 2:12:57)
Thank you.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:57 - 2:12:58)
Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
And

[Speaker 5] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
Thank you everyone.

[Speaker 3] (2:12:58 - 2:12:58)
Thank you everyone.

[Speaker 7] (2:12:58 - 2:13:00)
Thanks John. Have a good night.

[Speaker 12] (2:13:00 - 2:13:01)
Thank you everyone.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
Alright

[Speaker 3] (2:13:01 - 2:13:01)
Alright.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:01 - 2:13:06)
we're gonna move on to select board oh should we go back to the charter commission?

[Speaker 5] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
Yep.

[Speaker 7] (2:13:07 - 2:13:07)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:07 - 2:13:08)
Let's go Sure. back to charter.

[Speaker 3] (2:13:09 - 2:13:10)
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:10 - 2:13:25)
That's good to do that. Oh yeah. Um one just quick takeaway from this particular conversation, Nick, is if we could work a little bit more in concert getting this information um to us before it goes out to

[Speaker 5] (2:13:26 - 2:13:26)
The public.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:26 - 2:13:27)
the public.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:28 - 2:13:43)
Um which is not your fault, but some other committees had it in advance and then it went out in the papers and we all heard about it. So um would be great if those advisory committees could advise us before they advise the tides or the item, that would be helpful, no offence.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:45 - 2:13:46)
Um

[Speaker 11] (2:13:49 - 2:13:52)
Alright moving back to the charter review update which I

[Speaker 3] (2:13:52 - 2:13:55)
Well, you have to remember the item attends all these meetings.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:55 - 2:13:58)
The the item is present for those

[Speaker 3] (2:13:58 - 2:13:58)
It's

[Speaker 11] (2:13:58 - 2:13:58)
who

[Speaker 3] (2:13:58 - 2:13:58)
everywhere.

[Speaker 11] (2:13:58 - 2:13:59)
don't know.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:00 - 2:14:06)
Um okay, so we were talking back to the committee conversation um

[Speaker 1] (2:14:06 - 2:14:08)
I think Mary Ellen had

[Speaker 11] (2:14:08 - 2:14:08)
Mary

[Speaker 1] (2:14:08 - 2:14:08)
a question.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:08 - 2:14:09)
Ellen wanted to open up for discussion

[Speaker 1] (2:14:09 - 2:14:10)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:10 - 2:14:11)
post explanation.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:11 - 2:14:13)
Yep, so my question is

[Speaker 3] (2:14:13 - 2:14:22)
Um, did any did we ever get the information from David David on on what all the committees were recommending for charter review?

[Speaker 1] (2:14:22 - 2:14:23)
I do not yet have that, no.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:25 - 2:14:26)
Sh I had asked

[Speaker 1] (2:14:26 - 2:14:26)
We thought to it might be with

[Speaker 11] (2:14:26 - 2:14:27)
Diane.

[Speaker 1] (2:14:27 - 2:14:27)
Diana.

[Speaker 11] (2:14:27 - 2:14:28)
Diane has it.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:29 - 2:14:31)
Although we could talk about this for a while but has anybody

[Speaker 11] (2:14:31 - 2:14:32)
Well, I'm not saying it,

[Speaker 1] (2:14:32 - 2:14:32)
We

[Speaker 11] (2:14:32 - 2:14:32)
but

[Speaker 1] (2:14:32 - 2:14:37)
do not have them right now, no. That's to answer your question. We know where they may be, but no, we do not have them.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:37 - 2:14:48)
Okay, so the last time we had a charter review we had three people, correct? That's my understanding, three people. Peter Spelios, Jack Beerman and Mary

[Speaker 1] (2:14:48 - 2:14:48)
Mary Webster.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:48 - 2:14:55)
Webster who Mary's name there but Mary Webster the first female Commodore of the Squamish Yacht Club.

[Speaker 4] (2:14:55 - 2:14:55)
Mm.

[Speaker 3] (2:14:55 - 2:15:14)
So we had three people, they were all over at public meetings. Um I'm just wondering I I think there's a couple things here is I are we looking at making this uh bigger than what it needs to be? Do we really need to have five or seven people? Can we just go with three people? Um if we've already done the research,

[Speaker 3] (2:15:15 - 2:15:41)
Two years ago on what each committee feels that needs to be adjusted within the charter of of under their purview, are we already partially there? I mean, I've brought it up twice, my biggest concern on the charter, other than you know tweaking some of the little stuff that's not really relevant, um but my biggest concern is that the moderator chooses the finance committee and the

[Speaker 3] (2:15:42 - 2:15:49)
Capital Improvement Committee and I think that that to me is something that needs to be addressed um

[Speaker 3] (2:15:51 - 2:15:56)
you know very quickly and not wait for several years to

[Speaker 3] (2:15:56 - 2:16:14)
to address it. I mean as of right now we have a moderator who is a moderator, is on the Capital Improvement Committee and is the chairman of that committee and I don't think good governance. And I think the number one goal here is to make sure we have good governance and we're following you know following a charter. So

[Speaker 3] (2:16:15 - 2:16:37)
I think my m my point here is I don't want to make this long and drawn out if we've already done a good amount of the work and we already have a decent charter. So I just want to share my opinion on this because I want to get to making some changes in the charter sooner rather than later. So is there anything else that in that comes to the forefront that anybody else is really

[Speaker 3] (2:16:37 - 2:16:43)
dug in looking to see in terms of changes to the Charter. Is there anything else that comes to mind?

[Speaker 3] (2:16:44 - 2:17:01)
We wouldn't know other than seeing the minutes, seeing the information that David, you know, ha has corr correct collected. I know that from the committees that I was a liaison to, um I know the board of assessors had a couple little tweaks um and that was it. No other committee had anything big. Everybody was pretty

[Speaker 1] (2:17:01 - 2:17:03)
Did you all engage the community in that process as well?

[Speaker 3] (2:17:04 - 2:17:04)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:17:04 - 2:17:04)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:04 - 2:17:07)
No, I don't think no. No.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:07 - 2:17:19)
No, we just we had just opened sort of the conversation with we should do this. Let's reach out to committees and see if they have feedback first, collect it, synthesize it, and then go out to

[Speaker 3] (2:17:19 - 2:17:19)
Then

[Speaker 11] (2:17:19 - 2:17:19)
public

[Speaker 3] (2:17:19 - 2:17:20)
go

[Speaker 11] (2:17:20 - 2:17:20)
comment.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:20 - 2:17:21)
out. And how long ago was that?

[Speaker 11] (2:17:22 - 2:17:23)
Oh, David was chair, so.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:23 - 2:17:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
So three?

[Speaker 7] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
Two or

[Speaker 11] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
Three

[Speaker 3] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
almost

[Speaker 7] (2:17:25 - 2:17:25)
three?

[Speaker 11] (2:17:25 - 2:17:26)
years.

[Speaker 3] (2:17:26 - 2:17:26)
three years ago.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:26 - 2:17:33)
Yeah, and I would I guess while I hear your point, imagine this board's comments three years ago.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:34 - 2:17:49)
They're likely today gonna change, because boards change, opinions change, people in charge change, ideology changes, philosophy changes. So I d while I agree that there's an urgency maybe for some things, and that doesn't mean we can't propose a charter change.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:50 - 2:17:52)
As the board, can we not?

[Speaker 4] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
Sure.

[Speaker 7] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
Does it

[Speaker 11] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
So

[Speaker 7] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
Uh,

[Speaker 3] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
Is there

[Speaker 11] (2:17:53 - 2:17:53)
it

[Speaker 3] (2:17:53 - 2:17:54)
a mechanism for

[Speaker 11] (2:17:54 - 2:17:54)
so if

[Speaker 3] (2:17:54 - 2:17:54)
that?

[Speaker 11] (2:17:54 - 2:17:58)
yeah, we can. I mean we just it's a time meeting warrant article,

[Speaker 10] (2:17:58 - 2:17:58)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (2:17:58 - 2:18:05)
and so we could engage this fully comprehensive process now, but still suggest a

[Speaker 3] (2:18:05 - 2:18:05)
Uh

[Speaker 11] (2:18:05 - 2:18:05)
warrant

[Speaker 3] (2:18:05 - 2:18:05)
to check

[Speaker 11] (2:18:05 - 2:18:05)
article

[Speaker 3] (2:18:05 - 2:18:06)
it.

[Speaker 11] (2:18:06 - 2:18:08)
to chart to and say that we

[Speaker 11] (2:18:09 - 2:18:14)
believe in the sake of good governance that that be needs to happen outside of this other process.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:14 - 2:18:15)
What is an option?

[Speaker 1] (2:18:15 - 2:18:15)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:18:15 - 2:18:16)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:18:16 - 2:18:20)
is it fair to say from a process perspective we could appoint a local charter review committee

[Speaker 1] (2:18:20 - 2:18:22)
to go do their thing

[Speaker 4] (2:18:22 - 2:18:23)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:18:23 - 2:18:29)
and they would come advise the select board, we would adopt it or change it or whatever before it would go on to the next step in the process. Yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:29 - 2:18:30)
Yes.

[Speaker 11] (2:18:30 - 2:18:30)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:30 - 2:18:31)
Previously historically

[Speaker 3] (2:18:31 - 2:18:31)
Aye.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:31 - 2:18:34)
in Swampscott that has been done with an article at town meeting.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:35 - 2:18:37)
to create that review committee.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:38 - 2:18:41)
So the first so first you're going to tell me need to get the committee created.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:42 - 2:18:42)
Correct.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:42 - 2:18:48)
Then you panel the committee, you seat the committee and then you but I mean to Mary Ellen's point that would take years.

[Speaker 11] (2:18:48 - 2:18:48)
I don't think

[Speaker 7] (2:18:48 - 2:18:48)
Is that required?

[Speaker 11] (2:18:48 - 2:18:51)
this is I don't think the charter I don't I don't think the charter says

[Speaker 1] (2:18:52 - 2:18:53)
I'm not saying I didn't say

[Speaker 13] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
the charter

[Speaker 13] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
he just said

[Speaker 1] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
says,

[Speaker 13] (2:18:53 - 2:18:53)
historically

[Speaker 1] (2:18:53 - 2:18:54)
I said historically

[Speaker 13] (2:18:54 - 2:18:54)
they just said

[Speaker 1] (2:18:54 - 2:18:54)
it

[Speaker 3] (2:18:53 - 2:18:54)
I said historically

[Speaker 1] (2:18:54 - 2:18:54)
we just said Oh

[Speaker 3] (2:18:54 - 2:18:54)
after

[Speaker 1] (2:18:54 - 2:18:55)
it followed the

[Speaker 3] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
talking

[Speaker 1] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
way it's

[Speaker 2] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
about to oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
set up.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:55 - 2:18:55)
to someone

[Speaker 1] (2:18:55 - 2:18:56)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:18:56 - 2:18:57)
who had drafted the charter.

[Speaker 2] (2:18:57 - 2:18:58)
Yeah. So I

[Speaker 1] (2:18:58 - 2:19:00)
He has it under good advisement.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:00 - 2:19:02)
But is there a mechanism to

[Speaker 1] (2:19:02 - 2:19:03)
We don't have to do that.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
to cadence

[Speaker 1] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
Yes.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:03 - 2:19:03)
We might just

[Speaker 3] (2:19:03 - 2:19:04)
absolutely do. don't.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:04 - 2:19:04)
No.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:04 - 2:19:05)
You're absolutely right.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:05 - 2:19:05)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:19:06 - 2:19:18)
Yeah, I think Danielle, we can we can we can if we all agree that something is important enough, we can put forth a warrant article and ask town meeting to consider the change as we deem it necessary.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:18 - 2:19:25)
Right. Do we have a legal opinion about the role of moderator as chair, moderator and committee member? Have we still as have we asked

[Speaker 3] (2:19:25 - 2:19:25)
We

[Speaker 2] (2:19:25 - 2:19:25)
her a

[Speaker 3] (2:19:25 - 2:19:25)
did

[Speaker 2] (2:19:25 - 2:19:26)
legal

[Speaker 3] (2:19:26 - 2:19:26)
right

[Speaker 2] (2:19:26 - 2:19:26)
opinion?

[Speaker 3] (2:19:26 - 2:19:27)
after he was elected, and

[Speaker 2] (2:19:27 - 2:19:29)
Okay. And they have said that's all

[Speaker 3] (2:19:29 - 2:19:31)
there's not a conflict of interest.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:31 - 2:19:31)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:31 - 2:19:34)
It's not a it's not against any of the of

[Speaker 4] (2:19:34 - 2:19:34)
No.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:34 - 2:19:34)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:19:34 - 2:19:35)
No, my statute it's

[Speaker 2] (2:19:35 - 2:19:35)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:19:35 - 2:19:35)
it's protected

[Speaker 2] (2:19:35 - 2:19:36)
any statute

[Speaker 3] (2:19:36 - 2:19:36)
by statute.

[Speaker 2] (2:19:36 - 2:19:37)
there's no statute there.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:38 - 2:19:48)
So to the presentation you had here, Nick, with the anticipated timeline of this getting started this fall and then by the end of the summer we would probably have

[Speaker 3] (2:19:49 - 2:19:54)
The idea with this timeline would be next a year from this December we would be coming to a meeting with changes.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:55 - 2:19:56)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
Unless

[Speaker 3] (2:19:56 - 2:19:56)
it's it's

[Speaker 1] (2:19:56 - 2:19:57)
we felt strongly about

[Speaker 3] (2:19:57 - 2:19:57)
15

[Speaker 1] (2:19:57 - 2:19:58)
anything.

[Speaker 3] (2:19:58 - 2:19:58)
months from

[Speaker 4] (2:19:58 - 2:19:58)
Does

[Speaker 3] (2:19:58 - 2:19:58)
now.

[Speaker 4] (2:19:58 - 2:20:01)
this group think that that's too far?

[Speaker 1] (2:20:02 - 2:20:04)
Yeah. I mean, I not

[Speaker 3] (2:20:04 - 2:20:04)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:20:04 - 2:20:05)
not for every

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
Speaking

[Speaker 1] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
change.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
of the group,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:05 - 2:20:05)
I think

[Speaker 2] (2:20:05 - 2:20:06)
about...

[Speaker 1] (2:20:06 - 2:20:07)
I think yeah, he

[Speaker 3] (2:20:07 - 2:20:07)
I have.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:07 - 2:20:07)
You

[Speaker 1] (2:20:07 - 2:20:07)
I think

[Speaker 4] (2:20:07 - 2:20:08)
well, you are the chair.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:08 - 2:20:12)
are. I think between Danielle, Mary Ellen and I think that's what we were sort of hinting at that it

[Speaker 3] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
Oh,

[Speaker 1] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
feels

[Speaker 3] (2:20:12 - 2:20:12)
okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:13 - 2:20:15)
Like a long time. Am I wrong,

[Speaker 3] (2:20:15 - 2:20:30)
It does Danielle? feel like a long time. But I mean I think there are some other things that I'd like to see evaluated, at least studied in the charter, which is how our board of health is set up um and what they have in terms of influence on their own director.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:30 - 2:20:37)
That that's the test case for what I said in three years I think committees have changed, because three years ago the board

[Speaker 4] (2:20:37 - 2:20:38)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:38 - 2:20:38)
of health might have had

[Speaker 1] (2:20:39 - 2:20:44)
No comment, but maybe they might have comment now. They're a different set of folks who might have

[Speaker 3] (2:20:44 - 2:20:44)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:20:44 - 2:20:44)
different

[Speaker 2] (2:20:44 - 2:20:45)
Do we have

[Speaker 1] (2:20:45 - 2:20:45)
thoughts

[Speaker 2] (2:20:45 - 2:20:45)
the kind

[Speaker 1] (2:20:45 - 2:20:46)
and feelings. So

[Speaker 2] (2:20:46 - 2:20:46)
You have

[Speaker 1] (2:20:46 - 2:20:46)
okay,

[Speaker 2] (2:20:46 - 2:20:46)
the committee so with

[Speaker 1] (2:20:46 - 2:20:46)
for

[Speaker 2] (2:20:46 - 2:20:47)
you

[Speaker 1] (2:20:47 - 2:20:47)
we have to see.

[Speaker 2] (2:20:47 - 2:20:48)
specific area you'd like to see your

[Speaker 3] (2:20:48 - 2:20:49)
Um

[Speaker 2] (2:20:49 - 2:20:50)
you have other thoughts Yeah, and then there I'll

[Speaker 3] (2:20:50 - 2:20:51)
was another thing I was going to

[Speaker 1] (2:20:51 - 2:20:52)
Sorry?

[Speaker 4] (2:20:52 - 2:20:52)
One thing that

[Speaker 3] (2:20:52 - 2:20:52)
say.

[Speaker 4] (2:20:52 - 2:21:02)
Marzi has brought up in the past is the composition of the planning board to for site plan special permit to be granted which almost every project in town needs you need four out of five members.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:02 - 2:21:20)
Oftentimes over my last two years as chair we had one if not more than that, members that were conflicted due to proximity, since we're a tiny little town. So if the idea was brought up, do we, can we explore the idea of alternates, that's permissible under state law, for some boards, planning being.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:21 - 2:21:26)
depending on the town planning being one of them. So long story short, looking at the composition of the planning board for that reality.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:27 - 2:21:28)
So that's another change.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:28 - 2:21:28)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:21:29 - 2:21:31)
So why can't we can we do both simultaneously?

[Speaker 2] (2:21:31 - 2:21:32)
Yes we can.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:32 - 2:21:33)
Does that satisfy you?

[Speaker 2] (2:21:33 - 2:21:34)
Oh yeah. Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:34 - 2:21:35)
Okay.

[Speaker 2] (2:21:35 - 2:21:43)
Mm-hmm. I just I don't really see a need to go to the town meeting to ask to approve a a committee. We could we just approve a committee ourselves.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:44 - 2:21:45)
Well could we

[Speaker 4] (2:21:46 - 2:21:49)
join a committee in the next couple of months, and then try and just

[Speaker 2] (2:21:49 - 2:21:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:21:50 - 2:21:52)
We've already advertised like hey, we're getting ready for

[Speaker 4] (2:21:52 - 2:21:52)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:21:52 - 2:21:53)
this.

[Speaker 4] (2:21:53 - 2:21:59)
well instead of going to town meeting in December of twenty twenty seven, May of twenty twenty seven, or is that time to

[Speaker 3] (2:21:59 - 2:22:00)
I don't think that we could reasonably

[Speaker 4] (2:22:00 - 2:22:01)
short? Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:01 - 2:22:07)
go through a process that looks at things that get raised by the community outside of this targeted initial

[Speaker 4] (2:22:07 - 2:22:07)
That's fair.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:07 - 2:22:09)
effort,

[Speaker 3] (2:22:09 - 2:22:11)
I think that would be too quick.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:11 - 2:22:11)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:13 - 2:22:15)
And this isn't something we want to rush. It's

[Speaker 4] (2:22:15 - 2:22:15)
Nope.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:15 - 2:22:17)
what actually the town

[Speaker 1] (2:22:17 - 2:22:17)
Needs.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:17 - 2:22:18)
it's how we operate.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:18 - 2:22:19)
Yep.

[Speaker 3] (2:22:19 - 2:22:27)
So I think there's a utility to having a diverse group appointed to review it and taking time to review it and engaging the public in that review.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:28 - 2:22:35)
If there's a true desire to do it, right, if if there really is, you know, the feeling that the the charter needs

[Speaker 2] (2:22:36 - 2:22:44)
significant revamping, edits, correction, whatever. But if it's really a standalone issue that you know some of us have concern over the moderator.

[Speaker 2] (2:22:45 - 2:22:46)
and or you know the

[Speaker 5] (2:22:46 - 2:22:46)
Or

[Speaker 2] (2:22:46 - 2:22:46)
multiple

[Speaker 5] (2:22:46 - 2:22:49)
we're a moderator planning board, board of health, but those are all

[Speaker 1] (2:22:49 - 2:22:49)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:50 - 2:22:51)
And I'm not saying that's the board I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:22:51 - 2:22:51)
Standing

[Speaker 4] (2:22:51 - 2:22:51)
not saying

[Speaker 6] (2:22:51 - 2:22:51)
committees.

[Speaker 1] (2:22:51 - 2:22:51)
Right.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:51 - 2:22:54)
on behalf of the planning board that was a concern brought up so they should

[Speaker 1] (2:22:54 - 2:22:54)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:22:54 - 2:22:56)
yeah it's something that should be explored, like

[Speaker 6] (2:22:56 - 2:22:56)
I think

[Speaker 4] (2:22:56 - 2:22:57)
I'm sure your

[Speaker 1] (2:22:57 - 2:22:57)
I just

[Speaker 4] (2:22:57 - 2:22:57)
concern

[Speaker 1] (2:22:57 - 2:22:57)
think like

[Speaker 4] (2:22:57 - 2:22:58)
is.

[Speaker 6] (2:22:58 - 2:22:59)
I think there's a smaller issue,

[Speaker 6] (2:22:59 - 2:23:08)
it's not a big one, but, you know, standing committees versus advisory committees, uh we've had since the last charter update like two or three other committees that have been regularly meeting.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:09 - 2:23:15)
I'm not saying that that's I would I would never insist to do a charter review because of that, but it's one of those things that can be

[Speaker 3] (2:23:16 - 2:23:20)
I don't think we should look at this as something that is a bad thing to be doing. It's the best practice.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:20 - 2:23:21)
No, it's not at all.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:21 - 2:23:21)
I think

[Speaker 3] (2:23:21 - 2:23:22)
It's

[Speaker 1] (2:23:22 - 2:23:22)
it's

[Speaker 3] (2:23:22 - 2:23:26)
been ten years since the community has looked at it as a group, so whether

[Speaker 5] (2:23:26 - 2:23:26)
That's a long

[Speaker 3] (2:23:26 - 2:23:27)
it's you all appointing

[Speaker 5] (2:23:27 - 2:23:28)
Nobody is saying not to do it.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:29 - 2:23:38)
Well, no, he just said I would never say like this is a reason to do it. I'm saying the the the fact that we've come up with five topics after saying there's something targeted that we can get just

[Speaker 1] (2:23:38 - 2:23:38)
That's enough.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:38 - 2:23:39)
demonstrates

[Speaker 1] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
That's

[Speaker 3] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
that

[Speaker 1] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
enough.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:39 - 2:23:39)
there are likelihoods

[Speaker 6] (2:23:39 - 2:23:40)
It's comprehensive.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:40 - 2:23:40)
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:40 - 2:23:40)
that are out

[Speaker 5] (2:23:40 - 2:23:40)
We have

[Speaker 3] (2:23:40 - 2:23:40)
there

[Speaker 5] (2:23:40 - 2:23:41)
other things to be excited

[Speaker 3] (2:23:41 - 2:23:41)
that

[Speaker 5] (2:23:41 - 2:23:41)
about.

[Speaker 6] (2:23:41 - 2:23:41)
That

[Speaker 5] (2:23:41 - 2:23:42)
are Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:42 - 2:23:42)
worthy

[Speaker 6] (2:23:42 - 2:23:42)
makes sense.

[Speaker 3] (2:23:42 - 2:23:43)
of discussion,

[Speaker 1] (2:23:43 - 2:23:46)
And I think once you start thinking critically, you'll find other things because

[Speaker 2] (2:23:46 - 2:23:47)
Other things.

[Speaker 5] (2:23:47 - 2:23:47)
It

[Speaker 1] (2:23:47 - 2:23:48)
we haven't thought about it critically

[Speaker 2] (2:23:48 - 2:23:48)
Of

[Speaker 1] (2:23:48 - 2:23:48)
in ten

[Speaker 2] (2:23:48 - 2:23:48)
course.

[Speaker 1] (2:23:48 - 2:23:49)
years. So

[Speaker 6] (2:23:49 - 2:23:52)
Did w when these tech when these happened, did that is it uh

[Speaker 6] (2:23:52 - 2:24:00)
Is there generally a review and accomplishment of the remaining bylaws, zoning bylaws, plant, you know,

[Speaker 3] (2:24:00 - 2:24:00)
No, it's a charter

[Speaker 6] (2:24:00 - 2:24:00)
is it specifically

[Speaker 2] (2:24:00 - 2:24:00)
It's a

[Speaker 3] (2:24:00 - 2:24:00)
review.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:00 - 2:24:01)
it's just charter.

[Speaker 2] (2:24:01 - 2:24:01)
charter review.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:01 - 2:24:02)
the

[Speaker 2] (2:24:02 - 2:24:02)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:02 - 2:24:02)
charter?

[Speaker 3] (2:24:02 - 2:24:02)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:02 - 2:24:02)
Yeah,

[Speaker 6] (2:24:02 - 2:24:02)
Sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:02 - 2:24:03)
it's a

[Speaker 6] (2:24:03 - 2:24:03)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:03 - 2:24:03)
we're just charter.

[Speaker 3] (2:24:04 - 2:24:08)
A zoning bylaw like rewrite is a whole other

[Speaker 5] (2:24:08 - 2:24:08)
Yeah,

[Speaker 3] (2:24:08 - 2:24:08)
situation.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:08 - 2:24:08)
it's a whole separate

[Speaker 6] (2:24:08 - 2:24:10)
I mean, we go through those occasionally. I've

[Speaker 3] (2:24:10 - 2:24:10)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:10 - 2:24:10)
seen,

[Speaker 5] (2:24:10 - 2:24:11)
We Yes.

[Speaker 6] (2:24:11 - 2:24:13)
right? I've seen years where like, you know, they went through and changed

[Speaker 5] (2:24:13 - 2:24:13)
Annual Oh, and

[Speaker 1] (2:24:13 - 2:24:14)
I

[Speaker 6] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
a

[Speaker 5] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
many

[Speaker 1] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
think

[Speaker 5] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
mean

[Speaker 6] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
bunch

[Speaker 3] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
No.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
it's

[Speaker 6] (2:24:14 - 2:24:14)
of things.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:14 - 2:24:15)
like we go through it annually.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:15 - 2:24:18)
It's a charter review that we did. They had

[Speaker 5] (2:24:19 - 2:24:21)
they had public meetings constantly.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:21 - 2:24:30)
And they had their open meetings constantly. And I remember through the entire thing, um the chair saying it was only at one meeting that they had one person come.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:31 - 2:24:40)
So and it was, you know, it was publicized pretty consistently. But they did a lot of work, I mean, those three individuals did a lot of work. I followed that.

[Speaker 1] (2:24:42 - 2:24:52)
Okay, so I guess what I would suggest, I guess the point of impact right now is whether we wait to town meeting to ask them to allow us to appoint the committee or if we just do it.

[Speaker 5] (2:24:52 - 2:24:53)
We just do it.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:54 - 2:24:57)
I would just what would be the point of go I understand historically,

[Speaker 1] (2:24:57 - 2:24:58)
Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:24:58 - 2:25:01)
but what was the point in the past to go to town meeting to ask them did

[Speaker 3] (2:25:01 - 2:25:01)
They vote,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:01 - 2:25:01)
did they

[Speaker 3] (2:25:01 - 2:25:02)
they vote

[Speaker 4] (2:25:02 - 2:25:02)
have they the

[Speaker 3] (2:25:02 - 2:25:06)
may vote, they're they're responsible for approving the charter. So in gaping

[Speaker 4] (2:25:06 - 2:25:06)
I understand

[Speaker 3] (2:25:06 - 2:25:10)
them in the process throughout is a way to make sure we're building consensus throughout as well.

[Speaker 4] (2:25:10 - 2:25:10)
So

[Speaker 3] (2:25:10 - 2:25:10)
If

[Speaker 4] (2:25:10 - 2:25:11)
it's a they consensus

[Speaker 3] (2:25:11 - 2:25:11)
particita,

[Speaker 4] (2:25:11 - 2:25:12)
building exercise.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:12 - 2:25:16)
if yeah, if they participate in the formation of the committee, the charge and how it's composed.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:17 - 2:25:18)
You're you're

[Speaker 1] (2:25:18 - 2:25:18)
You get

[Speaker 3] (2:25:18 - 2:25:18)
the bad

[Speaker 1] (2:25:18 - 2:25:18)
buy-in.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:18 - 2:25:20)
position at the end to say

[Speaker 1] (2:25:20 - 2:25:21)
Here's the suggestion

[Speaker 3] (2:25:21 - 2:25:21)
So

[Speaker 1] (2:25:21 - 2:25:22)
part.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22)
here's

[Speaker 1] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22)
Okay,

[Speaker 3] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22)
where we came

[Speaker 1] (2:25:22 - 2:25:22)
yes.

[Speaker 3] (2:25:22 - 2:25:23)
from

[Speaker 4] (2:25:23 - 2:25:29)
So that was the framework. They approved the creation of the committee and the composition of it and the appointment power of the members.

[Speaker 6] (2:25:30 - 2:25:32)
It means nothing to say that we can't

[Speaker 3] (2:25:33 - 2:25:35)
They can be different. That's just what's been done in the past.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:36 - 2:25:36)
And yeah, and

[Speaker 4] (2:25:36 - 2:25:36)
Understood.

[Speaker 5] (2:25:36 - 2:25:45)
I would I would act actually I'd have to see just I'd like to see what the article looked like to a point that 2016 committee. I mean I

[Speaker 6] (2:25:45 - 2:25:59)
I mean, town meeting may have an uh uh an opinion upon who is on that committee. I'm not just saying by by name, but by position, right? They may have um different opinions upon that should I and I think

[Speaker 6] (2:26:00 - 2:26:07)
There may seem to be some value to having that heard, not to delay it. I mean, we're in middle of September. Town meeting, winter town meeting is when?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:07 - 2:26:07)
December.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:07 - 2:26:08)
First week

[Speaker 2] (2:26:08 - 2:26:08)
December.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:08 - 2:26:08)
of December.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:08 - 2:26:09)
First week of December.

[Speaker 2] (2:26:09 - 2:26:09)
December.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:09 - 2:26:10)
So we're only we're

[Speaker 5] (2:26:10 - 2:26:11)
Not that far away.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:11 - 2:26:12)
two and a half months

[Speaker 3] (2:26:12 - 2:26:12)
Thirty

[Speaker 6] (2:26:12 - 2:26:12)
out.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:12 - 2:26:12)
weeks.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:13 - 2:26:14)
Ten weeks, there you

[Speaker 6] (2:26:14 - 2:26:14)
Not

[Speaker 1] (2:26:14 - 2:26:14)
go.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:14 - 2:26:21)
even. So even if we took a little time to get this ready to go, not versus going to town meeting

[Speaker 6] (2:26:22 - 2:26:33)
getting the, getting the you know the the the buy-in and then getting the committee done was get everything ready to propose and just lock it in at the first week of town meeting?

[Speaker 1] (2:26:34 - 2:26:34)
Let's just mea

[Speaker 6] (2:26:36 - 2:26:37)
I don't I

[Speaker 3] (2:26:37 - 2:26:37)
I'm

[Speaker 6] (2:26:37 - 2:26:38)
don't just saying if

[Speaker 3] (2:26:38 - 2:26:38)
If

[Speaker 6] (2:26:38 - 2:26:38)
we want

[Speaker 3] (2:26:38 - 2:26:38)
you want

[Speaker 6] (2:26:38 - 2:26:38)
buy-in,

[Speaker 3] (2:26:38 - 2:26:38)
this to if be successful,

[Speaker 6] (2:26:38 - 2:26:40)
we want buy-in from town meeting,

[Speaker 5] (2:26:40 - 2:26:41)
First, first, there

[Speaker 6] (2:26:41 - 2:26:41)
I'm just saying.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:41 - 2:26:42)
agreed.

[Speaker 5] (2:26:42 - 2:26:46)
I'm we're not looking we're look I don't I think when I hear we're looking for buy-in

[Speaker 5] (2:26:47 - 2:26:49)
We need to do a charter review. I mean

[Speaker 6] (2:26:49 - 2:26:55)
That wasn't the buy-in part I was I was suggesting. It was the buy-in of how the committee is is who's on the who's on the committee.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:55 - 2:26:56)
The

[Speaker 1] (2:26:56 - 2:26:56)
Composed.

[Speaker 3] (2:26:56 - 2:26:56)
composition.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:56 - 2:26:57)
Composition.

[Speaker 6] (2:26:57 - 2:26:59)
The composition. That that was the piece of it.

[Speaker 1] (2:26:59 - 2:27:12)
Okay, how about we get the last Warren article in front of us and it's distributed and then we give feedback to Nick and we can put it on the next agenda to talk about.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:13 - 2:27:14)
Does that make sense?

[Speaker 6] (2:27:14 - 2:27:15)
The last warrant article.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:15 - 2:27:16)
More that can close

[Speaker 4] (2:27:16 - 2:27:17)
The previous one.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:17 - 2:27:17)
the previous

[Speaker 6] (2:27:17 - 2:27:18)
Oh, the last

[Speaker 1] (2:27:18 - 2:27:18)
one.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:18 - 2:27:19)
of the previous one, I thought I

[Speaker 1] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
Yes,

[Speaker 6] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
yes,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
term

[Speaker 6] (2:27:19 - 2:27:19)
gotcha,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:19 - 2:27:20)
2016

[Speaker 6] (2:27:20 - 2:27:20)
gotcha,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:20 - 2:27:20)
or

[Speaker 6] (2:27:20 - 2:27:20)
sorry.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:20 - 2:27:22)
15, whenever the last one article was

[Speaker 6] (2:27:22 - 2:27:22)
Yep.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:22 - 2:27:29)
put forth before town meeting, that way we're talking about something real and not something obscure and that way we can have thoughts and opinions on it.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:30 - 2:27:31)
And we'll go from there. Okay?

[Speaker 6] (2:27:31 - 2:27:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:32 - 2:27:32)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:27:32 - 2:27:32)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:27:32 - 2:27:33)
I like that.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:33 - 2:27:34)
Speaking of town meeting,

[Speaker 1] (2:27:34 - 2:27:34)
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:34 - 2:27:41)
when hypothetically, if this were to go on a warrant, when do we open the warrant for the December town meeting? That was on a timeline you shared at some point. But

[Speaker 6] (2:27:41 - 2:27:41)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:42 - 2:27:50)
I said. I wanna say it's uh the next meeting. I think it's the last meeting of this month and Okay. that stays open until October. But it might be the first meeting in October, I have to double check that.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:50 - 2:27:50)
Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (2:27:50 - 2:27:51)
Okay, well but it's in the next

[Speaker 5] (2:27:51 - 2:27:51)
the

[Speaker 3] (2:27:51 - 2:27:51)
meeting or two.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:51 - 2:27:53)
real the real question is when is it closed.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:54 - 2:27:55)
So it needs to be closed

[Speaker 5] (2:27:55 - 2:27:59)
two and a half weeks prior because there's been multiple times where

[Speaker 3] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59)
we

[Speaker 1] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59)
No,

[Speaker 5] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59)
have to go

[Speaker 1] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59)
even

[Speaker 5] (2:27:59 - 2:27:59)
back

[Speaker 3] (2:27:59 - 2:28:00)
No,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:00 - 2:28:00)
no we it's change

[Speaker 3] (2:28:00 - 2:28:00)
gonna be

[Speaker 1] (2:28:00 - 2:28:01)
the timeline.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:01 - 2:28:03)
it's gonna be no, it's gonna be closed at the very end of October.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:04 - 2:28:04)
So Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:04 - 2:28:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:04 - 2:28:06)
we have time to get it printed and out and advanced.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:06 - 2:28:06)
Remember we talked about in

[Speaker 5] (2:28:06 - 2:28:06)
Right,

[Speaker 1] (2:28:06 - 2:28:07)
May of last

[Speaker 5] (2:28:07 - 2:28:07)
so when

[Speaker 1] (2:28:07 - 2:28:07)
year

[Speaker 5] (2:28:07 - 2:28:07)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:28:07 - 2:28:07)
we changed

[Speaker 5] (2:28:07 - 2:28:08)
the question

[Speaker 1] (2:28:08 - 2:28:08)
the timeline.

[Speaker 5] (2:28:08 - 2:28:09)
of when does it have to be closed?

[Speaker 1] (2:28:09 - 2:28:10)
End of October.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:10 - 2:28:11)
End of October. Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:11 - 2:28:16)
I'll I'll bring that slide to the next meeting, so we can just all look at it again and be on the same page, or I'll send it around to the five of you, at least.

[Speaker 4] (2:28:16 - 2:28:16)
Okay.

[Speaker 6] (2:28:16 - 2:28:17)
Okay. Thank you.

[Speaker 3] (2:28:17 - 2:28:17)
Answer that.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:17 - 2:28:22)
We're gonna move now to the discussion of the select board goals and priorities

[Speaker 1] (2:28:21 - 2:28:22)
and priorities.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:25 - 2:28:37)
Alright, we uh for those of you don't know, we met on a Saturday, a sunny Saturday in June, a town hall in an open meeting to discuss

[Speaker 1] (2:28:39 - 2:28:43)
select four goals. We gave individual goals.

[Speaker 1] (2:28:44 - 2:28:49)
And then we sort of ranked them in conversation um, just to create

[Speaker 1] (2:29:06 - 2:29:22)
So this is supposed to help not only colour the conversations we have here but outside of here to make sure that you know when boards and committees are moving they are moving with confidence forward in line with our goals.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:24 - 2:29:29)
So we sort of grouped them into

[Speaker 1] (2:29:32 - 2:29:32)
Let's see.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:32 - 2:29:33)
If you have any.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:33 - 2:29:33)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:33 - 2:29:43)
Multiple priorities, the first one being financial. Um these are all from the meet the meeting minutes um from it's the fourth tab.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:43 - 2:29:44)
Five number four.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:44 - 2:29:45)
The fourth tab.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:45 - 2:29:47)
Is that July seven? No.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:47 - 2:29:47)
Nope, June twenty

[Speaker 2] (2:29:47 - 2:29:49)
June twenty seven. It's tab number four.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:49 - 2:29:50)
tab number four. Go

[Speaker 2] (2:29:50 - 2:29:50)
Oh

[Speaker 1] (2:29:50 - 2:29:51)
to tab four.

[Speaker 2] (2:29:51 - 2:29:51)
Okay.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:51 - 2:29:52)
That's perfect,

[Speaker 1] (2:29:52 - 2:29:52)
Let's

[Speaker 3] (2:29:52 - 2:29:52)
thanks.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:52 - 2:29:53)
see tab four.

[Speaker 3] (2:29:53 - 2:29:53)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:53 - 2:29:54)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:29:54 - 2:29:56)
Okay, so um

[Speaker 1] (2:29:57 - 2:30:00)
Discussion included long-term financial policy review,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:00 - 2:30:01)
we talked about overtime management,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:02 - 2:30:03)
that that being a priority for the board,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:03 - 2:30:07)
health insurance costs, and looking at OPEB and retirement planning.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:08 - 2:30:17)
We talked a lot about financial forecasting and budget sustainability and long-term financial planning. I think.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:18 - 2:30:41)
Part of the long-term financial planning included having conversations like in tri-chair with school and other making sure that we had the MOUs accurate and correct and you know all those things we had spoken about at the last collective tri-board meeting between FinCom,

[Speaker 1] (2:30:41 - 2:30:42)
us and school committee.

[Speaker 1] (2:30:43 - 2:31:08)
Um we talked about operational and organisational priorities including the charter review. So we're already um coming to fruition at least on one of the charges. Um we talked about trying to improve municipal operations uh through internal and external communications, uh committee co-ordination. This whole exercise was meant to helping committee communica not just co-ordination of committees, but also their viewpoints on where they're taking things.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:09 - 2:31:26)
Um trying to organise legal review, I think legal cost was also under financial priorities and legal review sort of grouped into the idea of how much who's reaching out for legal review, if it's appropriate, what it what it if there's additional costs involved, who's vetting that before it goes through.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:27 - 2:31:28)
Um

[Speaker 1] (2:31:29 - 2:31:33)
We talked a lot about labour relations versus municipal operations.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:34 - 2:31:40)
Wayne had brought up a I think it was you Wayne, a great idea about board and committee orientation and training. Was it you?

[Speaker 3] (2:31:41 - 2:31:41)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:41 - 2:31:41)
Think it was you.

[Speaker 3] (2:31:41 - 2:31:42)
Yeah, I think so.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:42 - 2:31:49)
Um and that there are a couple k really I can only think of school committee, but I don't know if FinCom goes through a a training.

[Speaker 2] (2:31:49 - 2:31:51)
The assessors have training.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:51 - 2:31:54)
The assessors have training. So there are some committees right now that do have training.

[Speaker 1] (2:31:54 - 2:31:56)
Um there are some that do not.

[Speaker 4] (2:31:56 - 2:31:57)
I think Khan does have a

[Speaker 1] (2:31:57 - 2:31:57)
They

[Speaker 4] (2:31:57 - 2:31:58)
a

[Speaker 1] (2:31:58 - 2:31:58)
have

[Speaker 4] (2:31:58 - 2:31:58)
training,

[Speaker 1] (2:31:58 - 2:31:58)
a

[Speaker 4] (2:31:58 - 2:32:00)
you could take you can do a training thing

[Speaker 2] (2:32:00 - 2:32:00)
The

[Speaker 4] (2:32:00 - 2:32:00)
with

[Speaker 2] (2:32:00 - 2:32:02)
state association does it.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:02 - 2:32:02)
it.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:02 - 2:32:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:02 - 2:32:08)
Some Yeah, some of these were the issue. Yeah, some of these were um, you know, like you said FinCom or um

[Speaker 5] (2:32:09 - 2:32:10)
I got who did you say the um

[Speaker 1] (2:32:11 - 2:32:11)
Planning?

[Speaker 5] (2:32:11 - 2:32:12)
Plan no.

[Speaker 3] (2:32:12 - 2:32:14)
Planning and zoning go through optional training as well.

[Speaker 4] (2:32:14 - 2:32:14)
Assessors.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:14 - 2:32:15)
Assessor, that was

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
Oh,

[Speaker 5] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
the one

[Speaker 1] (2:32:15 - 2:32:15)
sorry.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:15 - 2:32:24)
I was thinking of. They have very specific um related very specific training related to their duties. I was more talking about at a high level of how to organise meetings, just kind

[Speaker 1] (2:32:24 - 2:32:24)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:24 - 2:32:27)
of basic leadership uh development within our own

[Speaker 5] (2:32:28 - 2:32:29)
Committees,

[Speaker 1] (2:32:29 - 2:32:29)
Yep.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:29 - 2:32:29)
right?

[Speaker 1] (2:32:29 - 2:32:31)
How to take minutes, how to post minutes,

[Speaker 5] (2:32:31 - 2:32:31)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:31 - 2:32:37)
uh how to make sure you post on teams correctly, how do we make it publicly accessible.

[Speaker 5] (2:32:38 - 2:32:38)
Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (2:32:39 - 2:32:48)
So um also have uh community governance improv or committee governance improvements, which I think have a lot to do with minutes and making sure that

[Speaker 1] (2:32:49 - 2:33:05)
Agendas are posted with the correct amount of information on them at the appropriate time. Um and then H_D_C_ historic commission coordination figuring out historic district um commission

[Speaker 4] (2:33:05 - 2:33:06)
That could be something for the charter review.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:08 - 2:33:11)
Uh. That the charge? Is this the charge from the charter?

[Speaker 1] (2:33:11 - 2:33:12)
Mm-hmm. The H_D_C_

[Speaker 4] (2:33:12 - 2:33:14)
That might be something to consider. We all have

[Speaker 3] (2:33:14 - 2:33:14)
Is it?

[Speaker 4] (2:33:14 - 2:33:14)
pretty strong

[Speaker 1] (2:33:14 - 2:33:16)
Is it is it in the charter?

[Speaker 6] (2:33:16 - 2:33:16)
Did we create that?

[Speaker 1] (2:33:16 - 2:33:17)
Is this.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:17 - 2:33:19)
For is that a by-law? I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (2:33:19 - 2:33:20)
I'd have to check.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:20 - 2:33:23)
Well, we should talk about that because that is something we talked in depth about,

[Speaker 4] (2:33:23 - 2:33:23)
Oh.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:23 - 2:33:26)
whether it's scope, it's appropriateness,

[Speaker 4] (2:33:26 - 2:33:26)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:26 - 2:33:28)
it's necessity.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:28 - 2:33:29)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:33:29 - 2:33:34)
Um, Veterans Committee we heard Mr. Demento volunteer to uh

[Speaker 1] (2:33:35 - 2:33:46)
To help coordinate getting some veterans involved in at least figuring out who's available for housing, but I think Wayne really was talking more about a veterans committee which we used to have in town.

[Speaker 4] (2:33:46 - 2:33:46)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 5] (2:33:46 - 2:33:49)
Mm-hmm. I was I was more looking for um

[Speaker 5] (2:33:51 - 2:34:10)
a committee that could represent the continuing needs of Swampscott's veterans. And th the right now um is my understanding we haven't had a an actual veterans' survey since nineteen ninety one. That's my understanding. Um and I'd like to see uh, you know, the needs of the veterans of different ages and different

[Speaker 5] (2:34:11 - 2:34:14)
military scenarios over time had changed, and the support needs

[Speaker 5] (2:34:15 - 2:34:21)
have changed. And um I I feel that I we kind of walking a little blind.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:21 - 2:34:21)
Mm.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:21 - 2:34:22)
Um so um

[Speaker 5] (2:34:23 - 2:34:29)
I don't think that committee is just something you put together, I think uh it needs to come kind of kind of come from a grassroots

[Speaker 5] (2:34:31 - 2:34:34)
from from the bottom up. Um so

[Speaker 5] (2:34:35 - 2:34:39)
I've talked to Mister Demento, I've talked to a couple other people in the community about

[Speaker 1] (2:34:39 - 2:34:39)
Okay.

[Speaker 5] (2:34:39 - 2:34:53)
trying to get some information, trying to get some people that might be interested um into eventually I'd love to see a f formal advisory committee formed. I don't think this is something you can do overnight, but it's something that I'd like to definitely target.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:56 - 2:34:56)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:58 - 2:34:58)
Uh

[Speaker 4] (2:34:58 - 2:34:59)
But, I'm holding a

[Speaker 1] (2:34:59 - 2:34:59)
go

[Speaker 4] (2:34:59 - 2:34:59)
second.

[Speaker 1] (2:34:59 - 2:34:59)
yes, please.

[Speaker 4] (2:34:59 - 2:35:19)
But we absolutely have to have some type of a committee together. Now whether or not it's Mr. Demento who's going to run an ad hoc committee, but we we have to make a decision on an on what are we gonna do as far as putting together a team of people that will be able to advise and find veterans who would qualify for veterans housing.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:20 - 2:35:20)
Yeah, I think

[Speaker 4] (2:35:20 - 2:35:22)
I mean isn't that a charge of the Veterans Agent?

[Speaker 5] (2:35:22 - 2:35:24)
I was going to ask that question. Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:35:25 - 2:35:27)
Right? Isn't he wouldn't he spearhead something like that?

[Speaker 1] (2:35:28 - 2:35:43)
So I guess there's a difference between and this was explained when we first started to talk about this project, there's a difference between the information available to the Veterans Agent and the information that would be available to B_B_H_ and getting veterans in the housing. Um

[Speaker 1] (2:35:44 - 2:35:51)
So there is some information that they cannot share with BBH for privacy reasons and things like that.

[Speaker 1] (2:35:51 - 2:35:56)
So I thought what the first charge was when we had talked about this, and this was like 18 months ago,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:56 - 2:35:59)
was that once we were on this path of this happening,

[Speaker 1] (2:35:59 - 2:36:02)
BBH was going to get us some information involving,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:02 - 2:36:05)
you know, the calculation of AMI and how,

[Speaker 1] (2:36:05 - 2:36:09)
and that way we could bring it to the veterans agent.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:09 - 2:36:22)
understand how they're calculating it and how their what the criteria and conditions are so that the veterans agent can help us along with some ad hoc members to identify help calculate identify and then apply.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:22 - 2:36:28)
So we're gonna have people, random people and Swampscott as members of a committee with

[Speaker 4] (2:36:29 - 2:36:33)
access to information that is confidential?

[Speaker 1] (2:36:33 - 2:36:33)
No.

[Speaker 5] (2:36:34 - 2:36:34)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:34 - 2:36:34)
No. So

[Speaker 1] (2:36:34 - 2:36:35)
No.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:35 - 2:36:35)
income

[Speaker 1] (2:36:35 - 2:36:41)
No, they just they just no, they just need to understand how BBH needs to tell us how to calculate it.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:41 - 2:36:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:36:41 - 2:36:53)
And we can provide that information to veterans and we could uh through the veterans agent they I don't they are a already have access to it to not their income or anything like that, but the list of people we

[Speaker 4] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:36:53 - 2:36:53)
pay

[Speaker 4] (2:36:53 - 2:36:54)
AMI

[Speaker 1] (2:36:54 - 2:36:54)
abatements.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:54 - 2:36:55)
is income-driven.

[Speaker 4] (2:36:55 - 2:36:56)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:36:56 - 2:36:56)
You it's know, I understand.

[Speaker 3] (2:36:56 - 2:36:59)
just the A_M_I_ parameters that you have to meet and stay under that we're

[Speaker 1] (2:36:59 - 2:37:00)
Yeah, I'm not talking

[Speaker 3] (2:37:00 - 2:37:00)
advertising.

[Speaker 1] (2:37:00 - 2:37:01)
to you about the specific A_M_I_

[Speaker 4] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
But

[Speaker 1] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
just the

[Speaker 3] (2:37:01 - 2:37:01)
This community's

[Speaker 1] (2:37:01 - 2:37:02)
conditions.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:02 - 2:37:03)
just hoping to get more people

[Speaker 4] (2:37:03 - 2:37:03)
Right,

[Speaker 3] (2:37:03 - 2:37:03)
to apply,

[Speaker 4] (2:37:03 - 2:37:05)
'cause I right? mean it's more of a marketing marketing

[Speaker 5] (2:37:05 - 2:37:05)
I think

[Speaker 1] (2:37:05 - 2:37:05)
Yes.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:05 - 2:37:05)
thing.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:05 - 2:37:08)
I think you're all saying the same thing in different ways that it's

[Speaker 4] (2:37:08 - 2:37:08)
Once

[Speaker 5] (2:37:08 - 2:37:09)
uh it

[Speaker 4] (2:37:09 - 2:37:09)
again,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:09 - 2:37:12)
it's a it's a group of residents and citizens that

[Speaker 4] (2:37:12 - 2:37:12)
advocates.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:12 - 2:37:20)
can it they can help advocate along with Mike and the other assistants that work in his office and then to make sure everyone that should be out

[Speaker 5] (2:37:20 - 2:37:23)
well should be eligible or that we believe is eligible knows about it.

[Speaker 3] (2:37:23 - 2:37:24)
Yeah.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:24 - 2:37:26)
The individual can then make their own determination

[Speaker 1] (2:37:26 - 2:37:26)
Yes,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:26 - 2:37:27)
whether or not

[Speaker 1] (2:37:27 - 2:37:27)
sorry.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:27 - 2:37:28)
they are or whether or not they're interested.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:28 - 2:37:29)
Right.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:29 - 2:37:35)
But it's sort of it's all these pieces together, it's how we will do what you want and what you want and what like it's all

[Speaker 4] (2:37:35 - 2:37:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:35 - 2:37:35)
together.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:35 - 2:37:35)
I mean

[Speaker 1] (2:37:35 - 2:37:36)
Yeah,

[Speaker 5] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
that's

[Speaker 1] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
I just

[Speaker 5] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
there's

[Speaker 1] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
think

[Speaker 5] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
also

[Speaker 1] (2:37:36 - 2:37:36)
that

[Speaker 5] (2:37:36 - 2:37:43)
advisory in terms of what services could be created or or provided at yeah, the the new centre

[Speaker 4] (2:37:43 - 2:37:44)
Sorry.

[Speaker 5] (2:37:44 - 2:37:46)
that we're eventually gonna be having.

[Speaker 4] (2:37:46 - 2:37:47)
What I

[Speaker 5] (2:37:47 - 2:37:47)
So

[Speaker 4] (2:37:47 - 2:38:02)
don't want to see happen is what happened at Michon. At Michon, I think that Vinay put out a great effort in getting the message out. I mean they were constantly at the farmers market talking to people about how to apply to get into Michon. They

[Speaker 4] (2:38:03 - 2:38:14)
They were sending out flyers, they did a lot of stuff. However, we had a small, a very small amount of people who ended up getting into Michonne, which didn't make any sense after we ran the numbers.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:14 - 2:38:28)
So I just don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to leave it out there, I don't want to be vulnerable to having a mistake made here. I mean, this is veterans housing and I want to make sure we have every opportunity to get veterans in there.

[Speaker 1] (2:38:28 - 2:38:30)
I guess um w

[Speaker 5] (2:38:30 - 2:38:37)
Well how do you equivalent equivalent how do you I'm I'm trying to understand how you're linking that to the to the Mushan B_B_H_

[Speaker 4] (2:38:39 - 2:38:41)
So what so the question is what ha we

[Speaker 5] (2:38:41 - 2:38:41)
were Yeah.

[Speaker 4] (2:38:41 - 2:38:44)
we actually were here talking about it at the select board meeting

[Speaker 1] (2:39:04 - 2:39:13)
got into the machin and so through those conversations we had decided we don't wanna be in that position again, I wanna make sure we do a really good job

[Speaker 3] (2:39:13 - 2:39:14)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:14 - 2:39:16)
of making sure that people come and

[Speaker 1] (2:39:16 - 2:39:36)
and apply and figure out what they have to do. And in a conversation I had with Kim Martin Epstein, there are things that you can do to manage your assets, so one of the problems with Michonne was a resident of Swampscott could have X amount of dollars worth of asset and make and be bringing in a small amount of money income on Social Security,

[Speaker 1] (2:39:36 - 2:39:39)
but because of that asset it ended up disqualifying

[Speaker 4] (2:39:39 - 2:39:39)
In ballot

[Speaker 1] (2:39:39 - 2:39:42)
her. Or what happened quite a bit was people felt that

[Speaker 1] (2:39:42 - 2:39:43)
out that because they had that asset,

[Speaker 5] (2:39:43 - 2:39:44)
They couldn't

[Speaker 1] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44)
that they

[Speaker 5] (2:39:44 - 2:39:44)
apply.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:44 - 2:39:45)
didn't even apply

[Speaker 5] (2:39:45 - 2:39:45)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:45 - 2:39:45)
Right.

[Speaker 1] (2:39:45 - 2:39:46)
when they could have applied.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:46 - 2:39:46)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:39:46 - 2:39:47)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:39:47 - 2:40:09)
And there are also things that you can do, I'm sorry, you can do in advance to protect that asset or, you know, put in a different position so you do qualify for that. So you know, for example, if you have a veteran, you have a veteran who was on the state police, state police officer, and he makes a decent pension now, would he qualify or how do we get him to qualify?

[Speaker 1] (2:40:09 - 2:40:13)
to qualify. How do we help him legally to get into qualify. So

[Speaker 7] (2:40:13 - 2:40:14)
I don't know that we can help.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:14 - 2:40:16)
we can by getting information.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:16 - 2:40:16)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:16 - 2:40:17)
I so

[Speaker 8] (2:40:17 - 2:40:18)
That's what I was ineloquently saying

[Speaker 1] (2:40:18 - 2:40:18)
just

[Speaker 8] (2:40:18 - 2:40:19)
earlier.

[Speaker 1] (2:40:19 - 2:40:19)
mm-hmm.

[Speaker 8] (2:40:19 - 2:40:30)
Like getting the conditions from BBH and understanding either through the help of Kim Martin Epstein or other people who have far more information on this than we do,

[Speaker 8] (2:40:30 - 2:40:35)
how can we help people get into a position that when it comes time to apply,

[Speaker 8] (2:40:36 - 2:40:40)
they can be certain that they meet the parameters and they can, you know.

[Speaker 8] (2:40:41 - 2:40:44)
be confident that their application will be considered.

[Speaker 7] (2:40:44 - 2:40:44)
Right.

[Speaker 8] (2:40:44 - 2:40:46)
That was the conversation we had initially,

[Speaker 8] (2:40:46 - 2:40:57)
not necessarily you know trying to get into their confidential information or anything like that, but advocating for folks so that they know if they have a large asset like a home, how they put it huh how they can

[Speaker 7] (2:40:57 - 2:40:57)
Secure.

[Speaker 8] (2:40:57 - 2:41:02)
secure it in a way that still allows them to be able to apply to the situation.

[Speaker 10] (2:41:02 - 2:41:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:03 - 2:41:04)
That's that's

[Speaker 1] (2:41:04 - 2:41:06)
Just pushing out the information.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:06 - 2:41:14)
So we have to get the information first and then we have to simultaneously assemble people who are reliable and giving out the information correctly.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:15 - 2:41:22)
When your point in addition to all of that, let's have this committee do advise the Select Board on programmatic things and

[Speaker 1] (2:41:22 - 2:41:22)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:22 - 2:41:23)
support issues and

[Speaker 12] (2:41:23 - 2:41:23)
Exactly.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:23 - 2:41:24)
the ongoing needs

[Speaker 12] (2:41:24 - 2:41:25)
Yeah,

[Speaker 11] (2:41:25 - 2:41:25)
of the veteran community,

[Speaker 12] (2:41:25 - 2:41:25)
yeah, not

[Speaker 11] (2:41:25 - 2:41:26)
right?

[Speaker 12] (2:41:26 - 2:41:27)
just for the housing project, the housing project

[Speaker 11] (2:41:27 - 2:41:27)
Right. One-handed.

[Speaker 12] (2:41:27 - 2:41:27)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:41:27 - 2:41:28)
But

[Speaker 12] (2:41:28 - 2:41:28)
is

[Speaker 1] (2:41:28 - 2:41:29)
way is the committee's different.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:29 - 2:41:31)
Yeah, okay. Got it.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:32 - 2:41:32)
Uh

[Speaker 1] (2:41:32 - 2:41:34)
I think the committee we're talking about is temporary.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:34 - 2:41:35)
Yes.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:35 - 2:41:39)
You know, it's just a task uh task committee. Wayne's committee is, you

[Speaker 11] (2:41:39 - 2:41:39)
Ongoing,

[Speaker 1] (2:41:39 - 2:41:39)
know, it's a more

[Speaker 11] (2:41:39 - 2:41:39)
okay.

[Speaker 12] (2:41:39 - 2:41:40)
Yeah, I'd like it to be a standing

[Speaker 1] (2:41:40 - 2:41:40)
formal.

[Speaker 12] (2:41:40 - 2:41:41)
c standing committee.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:41 - 2:41:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:41 - 2:41:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 11] (2:41:41 - 2:41:41)
Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (2:41:41 - 2:41:42)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:43 - 2:41:46)
Again, moving on to public safety and enforcement,

[Speaker 8] (2:41:46 - 2:41:50)
some of these things we've already talked about and we will continue to talk about,

[Speaker 8] (2:41:50 - 2:41:51)
but parking enforcement,

[Speaker 8] (2:41:51 - 2:41:52)
traffic safety,

[Speaker 8] (2:41:52 - 2:41:53)
pedestrian safety.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:53 - 2:41:57)
Mary Ellen has brought up, you know, fire and ambulance response and infrastructure.

[Speaker 8] (2:41:58 - 2:42:02)
You know, when we had talked about whether the roads were wide enough and things like that,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:02 - 2:42:04)
that's, you know, part of what we're talking about there,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:04 - 2:42:05)
illegal dumping.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:07 - 2:42:16)
Infrastructure priorities we had discussed, you know, obviously there's some infrastructure improvements that need to be made as Kleinfeld are sort of discussed today.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:16 - 2:42:17)
Water infrastructure,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:17 - 2:42:19)
water harbour, waterfront development.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:19 - 2:42:25)
We talked about beach concession areas, um harbour management which we talked about with Kleinfeld are.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:26 - 2:42:30)
Parking has been a topic of conversation in very recent history.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:31 - 2:42:32)
Parking management,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:32 - 2:42:34)
you know, if we need infrastructure improvements for that,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:35 - 2:42:38)
future development of parking and the financial impacts thereof.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:40 - 2:42:42)
On the economic development,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:42 - 2:42:49)
we all agreed without delay that Hawthorne, Hadley were,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:49 - 2:42:51)
you know, developments that we,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:51 - 2:42:53)
properties that we needed to see developed.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:53 - 2:42:56)
The church parking lot came up in conversation.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:56 - 2:42:57)
Sorry,

[Speaker 8] (2:42:57 - 2:42:58)
that would be the St.

[Speaker 8] (2:42:58 - 2:42:59)
John's church parking lot.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:01 - 2:43:04)
Establishment of a potential economic development committee.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:05 - 2:43:09)
We talked about that. We didn't really land, but it's something we can continue to talk about here.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:10 - 2:43:12)
Developing a long-term economic development plan,

[Speaker 8] (2:43:13 - 2:43:22)
redevelopment of unused townhome properties that we had a long conversation about that, and then the preservation and redevelopment of historic properties.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:25 - 2:43:27)
Let's see, community priorities,

[Speaker 8] (2:43:27 - 2:43:35)
community engagement, community trust, communication with residents and the support from the boards and committees to facilitate that and more.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:36 - 2:43:50)
I think, you know, we are in a rebuild process for engagement and trust and it's really important in that to be, to try to be transparent, as transparent as we can be and communicate as much as we can.

[Speaker 8] (2:43:50 - 2:43:54)
and um it would be helpful from the community to all

[Speaker 8] (2:43:55 - 2:44:06)
one of you that's listening, but hopefully lots of people are listening on YouTube and I can't see you. Um if you have thoughtful ideas, contact Shannon, contact civic plus, contact any one of us.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:07 - 2:44:20)
call Mary Ellen call me to say we're not engaging enough is okay to say you could engage better by doing x is better right and that's helpful and we can action that

[Speaker 8] (2:44:23 - 2:44:36)
To s continue on the communication route, charger review communication, committee communication, public messaging, annual reports, it's really something that's fallen off the radar uh for a l a lot of boards and committees. There's

[Speaker 11] (2:44:36 - 2:44:38)
Don't don't they get filed with the clerk every year?

[Speaker 8] (2:44:38 - 2:44:41)
That well they're supposed to, Ted. I don't

[Speaker 11] (2:44:41 - 2:44:41)
Oh.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:41 - 2:44:43)
know that every board and committee has been doing

[Speaker 12] (2:44:43 - 2:44:43)
Under

[Speaker 8] (2:44:43 - 2:44:44)
it.

[Speaker 12] (2:44:44 - 2:44:49)
former clerk there was a delay with some annual reports and that's

[Speaker 7] (2:44:49 - 2:44:49)
Yes.

[Speaker 12] (2:44:49 - 2:44:49)
being.

[Speaker 7] (2:44:49 - 2:44:49)
So

[Speaker 12] (2:44:49 - 2:44:51)
remedied by our current clerk.

[Speaker 11] (2:44:51 - 2:44:51)
Understood.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:52 - 2:44:57)
So maybe we will get back into the swing of annual reports and understanding why they're important,

[Speaker 8] (2:44:57 - 2:44:59)
how they report out to the community.

[Speaker 8] (2:44:59 - 2:45:03)
And we've gone through some website improvements.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:03 - 2:45:04)
I bet there'll be more.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:06 - 2:45:10)
But we did talk a little bit about that and then better public engagement.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:10 - 2:45:15)
We are always looking for ways to not be the one sitting up here, right?

[Speaker 8] (2:45:15 - 2:45:26)
Like we want to be here right now, but like there there's a whole version of the public that should be engaged and if you want to sit in my seat happy to discuss it with you.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:27 - 2:45:31)
So the action items we left with are reviewing the charter,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:31 - 2:45:34)
which is great because we're talking about it now,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:35 - 2:45:37)
developing a long-term financial plan,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:37 - 2:45:46)
evaluating the Hawthorne and the church parking lot opportunities. We're sort of in the midst of that and we'd like to get closer towards the end of that.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:46 - 2:45:48)
Continuing OPEB analysis,

[Speaker 8] (2:45:49 - 2:45:52)
reviewing the health insurance costs.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:52 - 2:45:55)
evaluating a parking management strategy.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:55 - 2:45:56)
We started that which was great.

[Speaker 8] (2:45:57 - 2:46:03)
We had been talking about that and now I think it's coming you know closer to fruition in our last meeting.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:04 - 2:46:08)
Developing economic development framework.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:09 - 2:46:11)
Reviewing the committee structure and the orientation process.

[Speaker 8] (2:46:13 - 2:46:36)
continuing with infrastructure planning like our conversation today with Kleinfelder and others but also you know we had a big push recently in the last couple of years to not just talk about all the things we've failed to do but how we safeguard the things we're doing now so you know especially on the beaches we've we had a lot of

[Speaker 8] (2:46:37 - 2:47:00)
long time of failure of not doing enough and now we are doing it so how do we simultaneously continue to make improvements and safeguard the improvements we've made so we talk a lot about mitigating future issues and making sure that that is codified in some way in capital and then improvement to community communication strategies

[Speaker 8] (2:47:02 - 2:47:18)
So I think for our next steps we sort of have to figure out short, medium, long-term projects, and if there are d v uh departmental folks who can help us facilitate some of them, and then try to implement a timeline because

[Speaker 8] (2:47:19 - 2:47:20)
that'll hold us accountable.

[Speaker 12] (2:47:20 - 2:47:21)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:47:21 - 2:47:23)
There's a lot of stuff on this list.

[Speaker 12] (2:47:23 - 2:47:23)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 7] (2:47:24 - 2:47:25)
Right. And I I

[Speaker 12] (2:47:25 - 2:47:26)
Can you speak into the mic?

[Speaker 7] (2:47:27 - 2:47:30)
Oh sorry, there's a lot of stuff on this list. Can you hear me now Nick?

[Speaker 8] (2:47:31 - 2:47:33)
Get closer, like you're a m rock star.

[Speaker 7] (2:47:33 - 2:47:49)
It's a wonky set-up here tonight, tables. So what does success look like? I mean how how are we really judging by the law l large laundry list of things, I don't want this to just be um an exercise in

[Speaker 7] (2:47:50 - 2:47:52)
futility, right? I mean how do we really assess

[Speaker 7] (2:47:53 - 2:48:17)
how well we've done, how how close to goal we're getting, what does it look like? I mean, what does completion look like? You know, so I I'm struggling just looking at this, you know, all of this this list of things, you know, it maybe we need to organise it a little bit more uh you know, maybe it needs to be broken up short-term, mid-term, long-term. Um, you know, I'd like to see things completed, checked off, what does what does that look like?

[Speaker 11] (2:48:17 - 2:48:17)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (2:48:18 - 2:48:19)
I th I think we need a little more definition

[Speaker 12] (2:48:20 - 2:48:21)
in order to do that.

[Speaker 7] (2:48:21 - 2:48:22)
Yeah.

[Speaker 12] (2:48:22 - 2:48:27)
Um we talked these plotters are very high level. Um they have sub-categories to each one of them.

[Speaker 7] (2:48:27 - 2:48:28)
Yep.

[Speaker 12] (2:48:28 - 2:48:39)
Um and maybe we can start to stretch that out a little bit more so that we can give some very clear instruction to those resp that would be responsible for um both evaluating

[Speaker 12] (2:48:39 - 2:48:40)
and

[Speaker 2] (2:48:46 - 2:48:49)
Oh, right. Cause it's like some duplication,

[Speaker 3] (2:48:49 - 2:48:49)
No that we there

[Speaker 4] (2:48:49 - 2:48:50)
Yeah, there's some

[Speaker 2] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
you

[Speaker 4] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
cross-over,

[Speaker 2] (2:48:50 - 2:48:50)
know

[Speaker 4] (2:48:50 - 2:48:51)
for sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:48:51 - 2:48:52)
there is. But it's categorised.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:52 - 2:48:59)
but right. There are some things we c we really don't have direct control over. We the five of us, the annual reports.

[Speaker 2] (2:48:59 - 2:49:09)
You know, uh website improvements, those are not things we could actually fix or complete, right? So maybe we just re-org this a little bit so it's a little more actionable.

[Speaker 5] (2:49:11 - 2:49:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:11 - 2:49:13)
Sure, I c if can I jump in?

[Speaker 5] (2:49:13 - 2:49:14)
Please.

[Speaker 1] (2:49:14 - 2:49:14)
Please.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:14 - 2:49:20)
I I think that any of these require staff. So it's not just a website or any

[Speaker 2] (2:49:20 - 2:49:20)
Right,

[Speaker 6] (2:49:20 - 2:49:22)
one right. of them. Um

[Speaker 6] (2:49:22 - 2:49:31)
So we are happy to give you something or to have you all meet again and come up with an you tell us which way you want to do that and we're happy to move forward

[Speaker 2] (2:49:32 - 2:49:32)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:32 - 2:49:36)
in that framework. It could be that we bucket it by department head or

[Speaker 6] (2:49:36 - 2:49:37)
Topic ki

[Speaker 2] (2:49:37 - 2:49:37)
Category.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:37 - 2:49:38)
c you know,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:38 - 2:49:38)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:38 - 2:49:42)
so that we can identify things that live in a few different areas, as Wayne just mentioned.

[Speaker 2] (2:49:42 - 2:49:42)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:43 - 2:49:51)
Um or that we identify needing significant detail to get to what you want, because Yeah. the action items are things that are a little more specific,

[Speaker 2] (2:49:51 - 2:49:51)
Yeah.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:51 - 2:49:58)
whereas the larger lists, you know, provides a lot of context in our framework but to get from here to implementation

[Speaker 2] (2:49:58 - 2:49:58)
Right.

[Speaker 6] (2:49:59 - 2:50:00)
We would want more input from all of you.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:01 - 2:50:10)
Right, 'cause there's good it there's a lot of good stuff here, I don't mean to say that there isn't, I just want it to be thoughtful and really have impact so that we do complete these things that we

[Speaker 7] (2:50:10 - 2:50:10)
say Mm.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:10 - 2:50:11)
are priorities. So I think

[Speaker 7] (2:50:11 - 2:50:11)
Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (2:50:11 - 2:50:13)
we just need a little bit more help.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:13 - 2:50:22)
Could could I suggest then that the five of us respond back to this, or maybe Nick you can set a template for us

[Speaker 1] (2:50:23 - 2:50:25)
We can give you feedback

[Speaker 1] (2:50:25 - 2:50:29)
as to what those details are and then you can consolidate them maybe

[Speaker 6] (2:50:29 - 2:50:29)
Sure.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:29 - 2:50:31)
does that sound like a reasonable second next step?

[Speaker 1] (2:50:33 - 2:50:34)
And then

[Speaker 6] (2:50:34 - 2:50:34)
Okay.

[Speaker 1] (2:50:34 - 2:50:34)
we can review

[Speaker 8] (2:50:34 - 2:50:35)
Yeah, I mean, otherwise

[Speaker 1] (2:50:35 - 2:50:35)
the public?

[Speaker 8] (2:50:35 - 2:50:36)
we can bucket them by

[Speaker 2] (2:50:36 - 2:50:37)
By category.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:37 - 2:50:41)
category or p or department, sort of, and then

[Speaker 2] (2:50:42 - 2:50:42)
Or you You could

[Speaker 6] (2:50:42 - 2:50:42)
can

[Speaker 2] (2:50:42 - 2:50:43)
even

[Speaker 6] (2:50:43 - 2:50:43)
email me,

[Speaker 2] (2:50:43 - 2:50:43)
take a

[Speaker 6] (2:50:43 - 2:50:43)
I can

[Speaker 2] (2:50:43 - 2:50:43)
stab

[Speaker 6] (2:50:43 - 2:50:43)
meet

[Speaker 2] (2:50:43 - 2:50:44)
at combining

[Speaker 6] (2:50:44 - 2:50:44)
with you,

[Speaker 2] (2:50:44 - 2:50:44)
it

[Speaker 6] (2:50:44 - 2:50:44)
it

[Speaker 2] (2:50:44 - 2:50:44)
all.

[Speaker 6] (2:50:44 - 2:50:47)
doesn't we we will take feedback in any form. So

[Speaker 8] (2:50:47 - 2:50:48)
Yeah.

[Speaker 8] (2:50:49 - 2:50:55)
I think what we have what speaking from prior years we have all come up with

[Speaker 8] (2:50:56 - 2:51:14)
Mary Ellen correct me if I'm wrong we sort of all came up with our own version of priorities and then we would all scatter and do our own things right and some people were more successful than others on getting those things to fruition and so I think what we're trying to do is help

[Speaker 8] (2:51:15 - 2:51:37)
NIC and other department heads know these this is the will of the board not just an individual member of the board or a small group of the board but this is more of these are the things we should be focusing on and sure other things matter but the this is what we've sort of stamped right now as priorities so yeah I think if we could boil it down a little bit further

[Speaker 8] (2:51:41 - 2:51:43)
It's probably going to be the best way to action it.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:43 - 2:51:43)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:43 - 2:51:52)
Yep. So maybe make you wanna take a stab at maybe just grouping it, organising it by category and, you know, soliciting feedback

[Speaker 1] (2:51:52 - 2:51:52)
Yep.

[Speaker 2] (2:51:52 - 2:51:53)
for report.

[Speaker 1] (2:51:53 - 2:51:53)
Sure.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:54 - 2:51:54)
And

[Speaker 1] (2:51:54 - 2:51:54)
That works.

[Speaker 8] (2:51:54 - 2:51:55)
then

[Speaker 6] (2:51:56 - 2:51:59)
I guess I'm happy to email and have you write it or we can

[Speaker 2] (2:51:59 - 2:52:00)
Yeah,

[Speaker 8] (2:52:00 - 2:52:00)
Great.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:00 - 2:52:00)
we'll whichever.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:00 - 2:52:02)
sit down individually to get that feedback.

[Speaker 6] (2:52:02 - 2:52:02)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:02 - 2:52:03)
Great.

[Speaker 1] (2:52:03 - 2:52:03)
Great.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:03 - 2:52:04)
Okay.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:06 - 2:52:07)
Perfect.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:09 - 2:52:11)
Select board time.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:14 - 2:52:31)
If I might go first, I just wanna uh thank Nate, um Emiliano, Joe and Ethan for running in at the last minute and being able to put on tonight's meeting. We had a lot of difficult technical issues in the beginning, so if you

[Speaker 2] (2:52:31 - 2:52:33)
If you weren't here, you missed a it

[Speaker 8] (2:52:33 - 2:52:34)
Swap

[Speaker 2] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34)
looked like a circus

[Speaker 8] (2:52:34 - 2:52:34)
out.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:34 - 2:52:35)
it looked

[Speaker 8] (2:52:35 - 2:52:35)
Swap

[Speaker 2] (2:52:35 - 2:52:35)
like a circus.

[Speaker 8] (2:52:35 - 2:52:36)
out a microphone.

[Speaker 2] (2:52:36 - 2:52:49)
They did a great job and once again they're bringing it to us. Um I also uh want to bring to the attention of the town that the Swampscott and uh

[Speaker 2] (2:52:50 - 2:53:02)
What is it, Swan's got Performance Centre is now open. They opened on Saturday, which was nice and um I think they're gonna be open every day now and we've got things moving along, and it's just

[Speaker 8] (2:53:02 - 2:53:04)
Swan's Head Centre for Performing Arts.

[Speaker 2] (2:53:04 - 2:53:17)
Swan's got Centre for Performing Arts, right. Or a.k.a the old Orpheum. Um things are going on over there. Um we all received an email on um we all received an email from a resident

[Speaker 2] (2:53:17 - 2:53:39)
We s we received many emails from residents, but the one email that really stuck out for me this week was a resident who was commenting on um the first day of school with the seniors driving around and hanging out of vehicles and putting making it um some decisions that could have put them into a pretty bad situation and

[Speaker 2] (2:53:39 - 2:54:04)
It seems like that goes on every single year, and I I would just like to ask Nick if you could have a conversation with the superintendent and the chief of police and maybe there can be an organised parade or something on the first day of school to to um make sure that the seniors get the attention and uh the fun that they have on the first day going to school and also keep them safe. But

[Speaker 2] (2:54:05 - 2:54:28)
When the superintendent says this is something that he's concerned about, the principal says she's concerned about it, the chief says he's concerned about it, I just I'd like to see some action being taken so that the kids don't miss out on a great experience and we're not sitting here a year from now with a tragedy on our hands. So um that's all I have to request or report.

[Speaker 8] (2:54:31 - 2:54:32)
Mm right? Continue? Time? Wing?

[Speaker 2] (2:54:33 - 2:54:33)
No.

[Speaker 8] (2:54:33 - 2:54:33)
Good.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:34 - 2:54:38)
At the last meeting I made a comment about transit-oriented developments.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:38 - 2:54:48)
My comment was strictly in relation to the permitting of that through the zoning package that was done through a 40B application, not an MBTA 3A zoning package,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:48 - 2:54:50)
not a 161A zoning package,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:50 - 2:54:55)
or any of the other transit-oriented developments that statute allows.

[Speaker 6] (2:54:55 - 2:54:57)
Financing was not what I was insinuating,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:57 - 2:54:59)
so I apologize if there was any confusion,

[Speaker 6] (2:54:59 - 2:55:03)
Mary Ellen. I apologize if there was any confusion for my inarticulate.

[Speaker 6] (2:55:03 - 2:55:05)
Response.

[Speaker 2] (2:55:05 - 2:55:05)
Oh, that's not me.

[Speaker 1] (2:55:07 - 2:55:22)
No, that's it. I would like to uh also review a comment that I had made about wanting to get more information about those other one hundred and forty communities that were also not

[Speaker 8] (2:55:24 - 2:55:24)
Ing

[Speaker 1] (2:55:24 - 2:55:25)
dis disallowed

[Speaker 8] (2:55:25 - 2:55:25)
Tide?

[Speaker 1] (2:55:26 - 2:55:49)
o you know the the for us the roughly two hundred something thousand dollars um I d I would like to find more information what commonalities there were um and you know this is where we do approach before we have to take any type of expensive legal action, but I agree going to Markey um and and going to who or even to warn whoever else will listen um to ask them

[Speaker 1] (2:55:51 - 2:56:03)
What the hell just happened here? Why are we saddled with something that we thought that we followed the rules that we thought we were supposed to get and now small towns like us have to, you know, take on the take on the the brunt.

[Speaker 6] (2:56:03 - 2:56:03)
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1] (2:56:03 - 2:56:04)
So

[Speaker 8] (2:56:06 - 2:56:10)
Uh tri-chair meets at 8 a.m. on Friday. So

[Speaker 8] (2:56:09 - 2:56:31)
So, we'll be at town hall. Uh we've met once before again, we're meeting to discuss the M_O_U_s and align them. Um some of them are out of date and need updating, um some of them need re-evaluation and some of them need further consideration. And we will be um bringing, I think

[Speaker 8] (2:56:32 - 2:56:59)
I think the conversation was a sort of like a tri-board meeting pre-budget conversation so that everybody could come together again in the way we did before so that we recorded and have a very clear understanding of what all the questions on the table are um and something to go back to when people say what did we mean when we wrote that um so um that's the plan happy to take any feedback um you guys can give it to Nick and Nick will be there with me.

[Speaker 8] (2:56:59 - 2:57:00)
Patrick's gonna join us too.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:01 - 2:57:02)
Yeah. W when is that again?

[Speaker 8] (2:57:02 - 2:57:08)
Tri-chair, it's eight a.m. on September eleventh right before the memorial service.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:09 - 2:57:10)
Remembrance.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:12 - 2:57:14)
Okay, I'll take a motion to adjourn.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:14 - 2:57:14)
So moved.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:15 - 2:57:15)
Second.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:16 - 2:57:16)
All in favour?

[Speaker 6] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
Hi.

[Speaker 2] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:17 - 2:57:17)
Aye.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:18 - 2:57:18)
Bye.

[Speaker 1] (2:57:18 - 2:57:18)
Aye.

[Speaker 8] (2:57:18 - 2:57:19)
Thank you.

[Speaker 6] (2:57:19 - 2:57:19)
Thank you.